| 00:00.19 | Enverex | Yeah, kernel modules |
| 00:00.43 | jonathansizz | does anyone know of a way to get shockwave to work on Debian (specifically www.calcchat.com)? |
| 00:00.45 | aredhel | kevinl--, they are owned by who ever made them. |
| 00:01.29 | cafuego | kevinl--: no |
| 00:01.42 | kevinl-- | but root cannot chown them to another user? |
| 00:01.47 | Enverex | kairu0, Perfect, thanks. I assume it's the same for the nVidia drivers? |
| 00:01.53 | kevinl-- | they were created with ln -sf |
| 00:02.02 | kevinl-- | and are chown root, try ingt o chown them to a different user |
| 00:02.39 | kevinl-- | the destination files have already been chown'd to the user, but the application trying to access the symlink thinks it cannot lock the file, and i think its because the symlinks are chown root. |
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| 00:02.57 | raf256 | I have nvidia card. How to have 3d opengl games like tremulous working there> |
| 00:04.58 | aredhel | kevinl--, use chown -h <symlink> |
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| 00:05.24 | kairu0 | Enverex, nvidia drivers might be more complicated. i've never had one, so dont take my word for it :) |
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| 00:05.39 | Marticus | good evening |
| 00:06.01 | aredhel | kevinl--, the -h tells it not to dereference the symlink |
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| 00:13.18 | mandingo | does anyone have any clue whether or not I can rename a package? I've searched through the dch man page to no avail... |
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| 00:14.50 | jonathansizz | has anybody else had problems with right-clicking not bringing up context menus in iceweasel? It works initially, then stops working after Iceweasel has been open for a while |
| 00:15.16 | cafuego | mandingo: You can, but you need toe dit the control file as well as the changelog file. |
| 00:15.27 | cafuego | mandingo: And the various postinst/preinst files. |
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| 00:15.54 | mandingo | cafuego: so basically rename every instance of the old package name to the new package name as well as the directory then rebuild? |
| 00:16.01 | cafuego | mandingo: You're maybe better off creating an empty apckage of the required name that depends on the real package. |
| 00:16.17 | mandingo | well, these are all freshly built internal packages |
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| 00:16.24 | mandingo | I just borked the names on some of them |
| 00:16.27 | mandingo | damned perl modules |
| 00:16.28 | cafuego | Tssk |
| 00:16.32 | mandingo | yeah! I know |
| 00:16.37 | mandingo | I got into a hurry |
| 00:16.42 | cafuego | perl -pi "s/oldname/newname/" * |
| 00:16.43 | mandingo | building 90+ perl modules is never fun |
| 00:16.47 | dererk | I've check frontpages doc and wikipedia but could't find a short answer for this question: Does openvpn use encryption over the traffic, by default, when using Key-shared auth ? |
| 00:16.59 | cafuego | Renaming 90+ of them with perl is poetic justice, though. |
| 00:17.02 | dererk | I tended to think that yes, but I'm not sure |
| 00:17.04 | mandingo | haha |
| 00:17.34 | mandingo | cafuego: giving er a shot |
| 00:17.39 | tuv | it seems i can't run both the 64-bit version and the 32-bit version (off a chroot) of iceweasel/firefox at the same time, is that true? |
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| 00:21.11 | piper69 | hi all |
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| 00:22.18 | sigjuice | tuv, that's strange |
| 00:22.38 | sigjuice | what happens when you try it? |
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| 00:23.06 | archpollux | hiya peeps |
| 00:23.11 | tuv | sigjuice, a new window of the running process is shown.. regardless of the actual binary i called |
| 00:23.12 | archpollux | how do i enable realtime in 2.6.21? |
| 00:24.33 | sigjuice | tuv, can you run each version by itself? |
| 00:24.39 | LightKnight | archpollux: search for the RT patch and follow the directions within (at least I guess there should be a README of sort in there :P) |
| 00:24.56 | tuv | sigjuice, yes |
| 00:25.06 | archpollux | LightKnight: thanks, i'm actually reading realtime howtos on muse-sequencer.org |
| 00:26.09 | piper69 | !paster |
| 00:26.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:26.43 | sigjuice | does the 32-bit version have its own firefox profile directory? |
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| 00:28.31 | tuv | sigjuice, i'm using the same home directory, so i guess not. how do i make one? |
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| 00:29.02 | tuv | sigjuice, and how do i make the 32-bit firefox use that profile each time it is called? |
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| 00:31.22 | sigjuice | try making a new profile by running firefox -ProfileManager |
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| 00:31.56 | sigjuice | and then invoke the 32-bit version with -P <profile> |
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| 00:32.14 | Azio | does anybody here who knows me happen to have any knowledge about F-Lines on an IRCD pulling my hair out here :( |
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| 00:32.16 | piper69 | !pastbin |
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| 00:32.38 | stoned | rahul: you here.. or there? |
| 00:32.38 | piper69 | !pastebin |
| 00:32.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 00:34.24 | Azio | just on the offchance, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Nefarious_IRCu_F:Lines does anyone know where I can add these (syntax) in /etc/ircd/ircd.conf - i'm doing my nut here, read all the manual's and still no explanation how :< |
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| 00:34.45 | Azio | OPER_FORCE_OPMODE |
| 00:34.45 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.45 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.50 | Azio | Isn't exactly helpful like ;-) |
| 00:35.04 | stoned | Azio: this is not the right place to this question |
| 00:35.05 | piper69 | can someone help me please http://pastebin.ca/466490 |
| 00:35.08 | Azio | /me had assumed F:OPER_OPMODE:TRUE |
| 00:35.09 | Azio | :( |
| 00:35.17 | Azio | stoned i know man :( |
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| 00:37.37 | piper69 | probelm 1) i am chatting right now from my box "debian 4.0" but my weather update is not working |
| 00:38.02 | maddash | duplicate x11 processes! http://pastebin.ca/466441 ! wtf?! |
| 00:39.02 | udos | Gnea: I figured out what was wrong with xorg-kde 'stuttering' yday... |
| 00:39.07 | udos | I found a thread where someone found the root cause to be ACPI which needs to be turned off. Xorg still 'pulses' for resources every couple of secs, but it doesn't cause DVDs to stutter anymore |
| 00:39.15 | Pupeno | Is the atheros module packaged in Debian? |
| 00:39.30 | DawnLight | the desktop alterating screensavers use some logo with a flame instead of my desktop. what did i do wrong? |
| 00:39.32 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.26 | sigjuice | tuv: I think you might also need to pass the option -moz-no-remote to each instance. |
| 00:41.33 | liable | Pupeno: madwifi-source (in non-free) |
| 00:41.47 | TimRainey | what are the print server and the server that allows you to do windows netowkring called? |
| 00:42.17 | maddash | samba |
| 00:42.18 | Withdraw | samba |
| 00:42.30 | maddash | I win. |
| 00:42.41 | Withdraw | arg... |
| 00:42.51 | Withdraw | ill have to go back to rtfm |
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| 00:46.38 | maddash | damn, this could be a sign of someone hijacking my X11 |
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| 00:49.15 | maikol | how to automount usb flash drive |
| 00:49.37 | _ds_ | Just upgraded my laptop from etch to lenny. Any idea why a wpasupplicant upgrade 0.5.5->0.6.0cvs would cause a failure to connect? (Using /etc/network/interfaces to specify parameters; config with 0.5.5-2 worked fine.) |
| 00:50.59 | _ds_ | ... hmm, ipw3945d doesn't seem to be running... |
| 00:51.24 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 00:51.24 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 00:52.50 | hardzzz | hello... have a wine user here? |
| 00:52.50 | karsten | How do I make a redirect happen w/in sudo? |
| 00:52.52 | _ds_ | ... never mind - stale .pid in /var/run. |
| 00:52.58 | karsten | Eg: sudo date \>/tmp/foo |
| 00:53.11 | karsten | ... rather than in the calling shell. Above doesn't work. |
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| 00:55.52 | abrotman | karsten: quote it ? use parenthesis ? |
| 00:56.48 | maddash | karsten: sudo date > /tmp/foo works fine |
| 00:57.13 | foo | maddash: :D |
| 00:58.19 | jae | Is debian-python really on another network? (Just wondering if I'm blind or not...) |
| 00:58.49 | gravity | jae: irc.debian.org points to another network, so pretty much all the real Debian channels are there |
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| 01:00.22 | litage | when i try to create a pbuild with this command: sudo cowbuilder --create --distribution sarge --mirror http://apt.voxpak.com --othermirror deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main --debug --debootstrapopts --debug |
| 01:00.32 | litage | cowbuilder/pbuilder fails with this error about module-init-tools: http://rafb.net/p/DRKgW223.html |
| 01:00.44 | litage | it's looking for the module-init-tools .deb file in /var/cache/bootstrap/ , but that directory doesn't exist. any suggestions on how i can fix this? |
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| 01:02.01 | karsten | maddash: root isn't doing the redirection, your shell is. |
| 01:02.18 | karsten | maddash: I'm trying to redirect to a fifo so I can see what fiels are open while I'm doing ps elsewhere. |
| 01:02.21 | karsten | files. |
| 01:02.47 | karsten | maddash: ... right now it looks as if the command's completing before the fifo happens. |
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| 01:05.51 | acidchild | how do i get dpkg to remake the config files in /etc/apache2? |
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| 01:06.06 | karsten | acidchild: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:06.20 | liable | !force confmiss |
| 01:06.24 | karsten | acidchild: If you've deleted the files you're going to want it to regenerate them for you, rtfm dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:06.31 | acidchild | k |
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| 01:06.57 | raf256 | What tool would you recommend to summarizing important data/allerts/etc in one place, real time - perhaps writting to a summarized log? |
| 01:06.58 | jazbo2185 | Hi folks, I'm trying to install etch. I'm getting a message: "The swap partition that was found in |
| 01:07.01 | jazbo2185 | > uswsusp's configuration file is not active." |
| 01:07.08 | Math^ | hello, how can I install debian etch from an usb flash drive to my harddisk? |
| 01:07.09 | jazbo2185 | What should I do? |
| 01:07.09 | raf256 | (and perhaps a tool to display real time tail of it in X) |
| 01:07.29 | Math^ | is there some howto/wiki somewere? |
| 01:08.17 | acidchild | karsten: i tryed dpkg-reconfigure and i checkedthe manual |
| 01:08.18 | Justin | Math^: pretty sure all you have to do is dd the boot image to the flash drive and reboot, just like a floppy |
| 01:08.22 | acidchild | it doesn't seemto remake the files? |
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| 01:08.37 | Math^ | Justin: hmmk |
| 01:08.43 | jazbo2185 | Math^: it's there on debian.org the guide. |
| 01:08.50 | Math^ | ok thnx |
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| 01:09.27 | jazbo2185 | Math^: section 4.4.3 of http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#id2534621 |
| 01:09.43 | Math^ | ye found it :) |
| 01:09.46 | Math^ | thnx |
| 01:09.49 | jazbo2185 | np |
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| 01:18.24 | jazbo2185 | When I try to install etch with the automatic LVM partitioning I get a kernel panic. When I manually (or automatically) set up partitions without LVM, I get an error about uswsusp not being able to find the swap partition. Is this going to completely disable my swap or merely disable suspend? |
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| 01:19.55 | jazbo2185 | hmmmmmm... mondays sure seem to be quite... |
| 01:20.08 | jetscreamer | quite quiet eh |
| 01:20.15 | Peacimowen | heh |
| 01:20.19 | abrotman | HI! |
| 01:20.25 | Peacimowen | hello. |
| 01:20.31 | DavidProck1981 | how can i search files inside sub dir's for a certin word, dont matter what kind of file |
| 01:20.49 | Peacimowen | grep |
| 01:20.49 | karsten | DavidProck1981: man grep |
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| 01:21.58 | karsten | DavidProck1981: recursive grep, and treat binary as text (-a) are going to be your friends. Possibly also '-l' |
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| 01:21.58 | DavidProck1981 | l |
| 01:21.59 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 01:22.08 | jzxu | I'm trying to install openoffice via rpms distributed on their website, but one of the packages is complaining that it needs /bin/sh. What gives? |
| 01:22.34 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: don't know if you rememeber but I've been bothering you and other about pxe booting for days. Anyway got it to work last night! |
| 01:22.43 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:22.45 | jazbo2185 | So thanks for the help |
| 01:22.48 | Guerin | jzxu: why? |
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| 01:22.53 | Guerin | jzxu: use the debian packages |
| 01:23.02 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: it's so damn easy when you know exactly what to do... ;) |
| 01:23.09 | jzxu | Guerin: I'm getting start-up issues with the debian packages |
| 01:23.17 | Guerin | so fix them |
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| 01:23.30 | Peacimowen | You're not going to solve problems by using rpms |
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| 01:23.33 | Guerin | installing the broken official rpms will be evil |
| 01:23.35 | abrotman | jazbo2185: hope you did a writeup |
| 01:24.06 | jzxu | Guerin: I spent several hours trying to fix the problems with the debian packages already |
| 01:24.11 | jetscreamer | how do i grep in a zip |
| 01:24.20 | asg | jetscreamer: zgrep |
| 01:24.27 | jetscreamer | thanks asg |
| 01:24.32 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: I did for my personal use. Is there a place that kind of doc should be uploaded to? |
| 01:24.35 | DavidProck1981 | err i still dont understand how to do what i want to do |
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| 01:24.49 | Guerin | jzxu: well, you're not going to get any help with the rpms here |
| 01:24.55 | Guerin | noooothing to do with us |
| 01:25.08 | abrotman | jazbo2185: maybe see if debian-administration.org would take it ? |
| 01:25.52 | jzxu | Guerin: I was just wondering of the rpm package in debian requires that I specify search paths somehow |
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| 01:26.18 | asg | jetscreamer: if you meant a PKZIP, then try zipgrep |
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| 01:26.32 | nerd_boy | Does debian have an update manager similiar to emerge or yum? |
| 01:26.44 | asg | nerd_boy: aptitude |
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| 01:27.29 | jzxu | nevermind actually. for some reason the deb ooffice packages are working now .... |
| 01:27.29 | jzxu | weird ... |
| 01:27.29 | nerd_boy | Thanks. |
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| 01:28.26 | DavidProck1981 | err im looking tro this text "tag type" and i dont know what file it is in, and what to scan a bunch of files also inside sub dir's, can some one make an example of the command, i need it ro return the file name |
| 01:29.04 | DavidProck1981 | sorry for hte typos |
| 01:29.12 | asg | DavidProck1981: grep -ilr 'tag' /path/to/starting/directory |
| 01:29.29 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
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| 01:30.07 | jetscreamer | asg: it's a .pk3 actually... zip format though |
| 01:30.23 | DavidProck1981 | asg: but i need both words with the space, can i just change 'tag' to 'tag type' |
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| 01:30.25 | asg | jetscreamer: zipgrep might handle it. I don't know for sure though |
| 01:30.34 | asg | DavidProck1981: grep -ilr 'tag type' /path/to/starting/directory |
| 01:30.40 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 01:30.52 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 01:30.56 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 01:36.25 | jetscreamer | asg: zipgrep worked on the .pk3's, zgrep did not. thanks again. |
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| 01:42.26 | xarquid | greetings |
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| 01:42.44 | xarquid | any special tricks/tips for getting wireless working on etch (using a laptop)? wired works fine, wireless just are not showing up at all |
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| 01:44.43 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 01:45.17 | Azar | news: Google-funded kernel bug manager position is now open. I |
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| 01:48.00 | xarquid | so anyone with any ideas on how to get wireless running on an ibm lenovo z60? |
| 01:48.17 | Peacimowen | trying to install/run X. I'm getting this message: Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' Which package would it be hiding under? |
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| 01:49.37 | jetscreamer | i forgot that common fixed font error's fix |
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| 01:50.50 | Azar | teehee!! "Why device developers prefer Debian" http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5036152029.html |
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| 01:56.44 | abrotman | xarquid: depends on the chipset |
| 01:56.46 | abrotman | !thinkpad |
| 01:56.46 | dpkg | hmm... thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 01:57.04 | xarquid | It's the intel chipset |
| 01:57.14 | xarquid | Works out of the box with ubuntu and even fedora, it's weird how Debian isn't catching it |
| 01:57.32 | abrotman | ipw3945 ? |
| 01:57.41 | xarquid | yes |
| 01:57.45 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 01:57.45 | dpkg | well, ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 01:58.08 | xarquid | it is installed hehe ;p |
| 01:58.24 | abrotman | then we need errors |
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| 01:59.04 | cafuego | abrotman: "/bin/sh: file not found" |
| 01:59.10 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | not funny! |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | i thought that was him highlighting me :) |
| 01:59.21 | cafuego | You said you needed errros. That's an error. |
| 01:59.28 | xarquid | ;p |
| 01:59.44 | dererk | I've check frontpages doc and wikipedia but could't find a short answer for this question: Does openvpn use encryption over the traffic, by default, when using Key-shared auth ? |
| 01:59.46 | dererk | I tended to think that yes, but I'm not sure |
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| 01:59.54 | itchi | xarquid: Works right here, see i'm here :-) |
| 02:00.01 | itchi | xarquid: boe :-p |
| 02:00.02 | cafuego | dererk: openvpn always encrypts the tunneled traffic. |
| 02:00.04 | tuvwx | i'd like to install nvidia-glx[-dev] in chroot so that mplayer can use opengl, but nvidia-glx pulls a kernel. is it safe to install a kenrel in a chroot? (my first chroot install experience ;/) |
| 02:00.10 | abrotman | dererk: seems to me it wouldn't be much of a VPN without it :) |
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| 02:00.14 | cafuego | dererk: ... to the best of my knowledge. |
| 02:00.40 | dererk | the last time I used, many years before, I didn't, by default |
| 02:00.45 | dererk | that's why I'm ask :\ |
| 02:00.46 | xarquid | itchi: < envy |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:00.47 | cafuego | abrotman: That's not true, you can tunnel ip over p without encryption, which is technically a vpn :-) |
| 02:00.54 | abrotman | i guess |
| 02:01.07 | itchi | xarquid: See module-assistant select ipw3945 |
| 02:01.13 | dererk | s/I/It/ |
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| 02:01.21 | Peacimowen | woo! Finally! |
| 02:01.26 | DamianFinol | Hello |
| 02:01.26 | DamianFinol | I'm in the need of creating a Debian etch livecd with some tools I need to fix some PC's. How would I go on doing that? |
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| 02:01.36 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 02:01.36 | dpkg | somebody said livecd was an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 02:01.43 | cafuego | dererk: I'm pretty sure it does. |
| 02:01.45 | abrotman | DamianFinol: though UBCD is pretty good already |
| 02:01.57 | DamianFinol | ubcd? |
| 02:02.04 | dererk | cafuego, great, I wanted unless one guy that say that :P |
| 02:02.11 | itchi | xarquid: Then you need to get the firmware and place it on the right place; done |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 02:02.17 | dpkg | ubcd is probably http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 02:02.18 | DamianFinol | abrotman, Oh no, I need to use some locally developed tools |
| 02:02.22 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:02.28 | Peacimowen | I got X running properly, including working nvidia drivers with direct rendering. |
| 02:02.39 | itchi | xarquid: Give a sign if it's not yet clear to you |
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| 02:02.43 | dererk | cafuego, abrotman: thanks then |
| 02:02.55 | xarquid | itchi: Is module-assistant command-line? |
| 02:03.01 | Peacimowen | yes |
| 02:03.04 | itchi | xarquid: Yes, and you need to install it first |
| 02:03.06 | DamianFinol | abrotman, How would I go in, for example, making an already installed Debian onto a livecd? |
| 02:03.23 | itchi | xarquid: apt-cache show module-assistant and look the description |
| 02:03.37 | xarquid | thanks, working with it now |
| 02:03.53 | tuvwx | is it safe to install a kernel in a chroot? (to satisfy a dependency) |
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| 02:04.07 | cafuego | tuvwx: Yup |
| 02:04.14 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 02:04.17 | cafuego | tuvwx: it's just never going to boot/run |
| 02:04.22 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 02:04.26 | abrotman | DamianFinol: ^^ |
| 02:04.34 | DamianFinol | ah bootcd |
| 02:04.35 | DamianFinol | Thanks |
| 02:04.35 | tuvwx | cafuego, thanks.. btw the firefox trick worked great |
| 02:04.39 | skaag | I am trying to rebuild a debian box who's filesystem got corrupted and the base software is dead, how do I safely rebuild it while retaining the data? |
| 02:04.59 | itchi | skaag: As first, make a backup, to be sure |
| 02:05.13 | skaag | I have no tangible way to make a backup... |
| 02:05.27 | itchi | skaag: Are there data on it? |
| 02:05.34 | skaag | yes :\ |
| 02:05.44 | itchi | skaag: And no backup plan at all? |
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| 02:06.21 | skaag | no backup. i'm screwed. |
| 02:06.31 | itchi | skaag: Yup, your crazy man! |
| 02:06.49 | skaag | yah, and it's a raid5 system on top of it all |
| 02:06.59 | itchi | skaag: That's the bonus :-p |
| 02:07.00 | skaag | nothing protects you from fs corruption |
| 02:07.32 | itchi | skaag: RAID is not a backup heh |
| 02:07.38 | skaag | I don't understand how this happened, I got some messages earlier that e2fslibs were the wrong version |
| 02:07.55 | skaag | the filesystem went read-only |
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| 02:08.04 | cafuego | What debian version are you running and what kernel? |
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| 02:08.25 | skaag | an old version of stable |
| 02:08.32 | skaag | kernel 2.6.8 if i'm not mistaken |
| 02:08.43 | cafuego | prolly sarge then, right? |
| 02:08.45 | skaag | i'm logged into the box via some rescue cd |
| 02:08.47 | skaag | yah I think sarge |
| 02:09.09 | cafuego | skaag: Ok, set up the raid array, run fsck (ideally after booting from the sarge cd!) |
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| 02:09.26 | skaag | the raid array is setup |
| 02:09.36 | cafuego | If you can mount it read-only and copy shit off beforehand, so much the better. |
| 02:09.45 | skaag | but do I have to run e2fsck specifically from the sarge cd? |
| 02:17.33 | skaag | I mean what about e2fsck from some ubuntu or knoppix cd? |
| 02:17.33 | skaag | (I don't have a debian livecd) |
| 02:17.33 | xarquid | I've installed all of the necessary modules etc. for ip3945 -- just need to reboot or? |
| 02:17.33 | jetscreamer | there is no live debian cd afaik |
| 02:17.33 | itchi | xarquid: The firmware now |
| 02:17.33 | itchi | jetscreamer: Unofficially |
| 02:17.33 | cafuego | Why would you need a livecd? just boot the installer, hit Alt-F2 |
| 02:17.33 | itchi | Or is it official now, dunno |
| 02:17.33 | skaag | cafuego: ok I need to download and burn it then |
| 02:17.34 | Withdraw | 0 |
| 02:17.34 | cafuego | skaag: Well, you got got a message about an incorrect e2fslibs version.... |
| 02:17.34 | xarquid | I ran module-assistant, hit UPDATE and now I'm in SELECT -- do not see ip3945 |
| 02:17.34 | skaag | cafuego: yah I have a feeling it has to do with the transition to etch |
| 02:17.34 | cafuego | Are you halfway through an upgrade on that machine? |
| 02:17.35 | skaag | that box was on 'stable' all the time |
| 02:17.35 | xarquid | Just seeing ip2100 and 2200 |
| 02:17.35 | skaag | cafuego: yah I think it was in the middle of an upgrade |
| 02:17.35 | cafuego | ouch² |
| 02:17.35 | skaag | (when the problems started) |
| 02:17.36 | itchi | xarquid: Did you read the /msg dpkg ipw3945 ? |
| 02:17.36 | xarquid | Aye, I have done that step exactly |
| 02:17.37 | skaag | I have a bad, bad feeling about this |
| 02:17.37 | xarquid | It completed successfully as far as I can tell |
| 02:17.38 | itchi | !ipw3945 |
| 02:17.38 | dpkg | i heard ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 02:17.38 | itchi | xarquid: You have miss a part ^^ |
| 02:17.39 | xarquid | I ran that hehe |
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| 02:17.39 | itchi | xarquid: And you not see him in the list? |
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| 02:17.40 | xarquid | Ah, sources isn't in the contrib list |
| 02:17.40 | itchi | xarquid: ... if you have run 'module-assistant' |
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| 02:17.41 | itchi | xarquid: You mixed the line here above |
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| 02:17.41 | itchi | xarquid: It's contrib that is not in the sources list |
| 02:17.42 | xarquid | which file does sources need to be added? |
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| 02:17.42 | skaag | cafuego: so do you think e2fsck from an ubuntu or knoppix livecd would be ok in general? |
| 02:17.42 | skaag | isn't e2fs the same everywhere? |
| 02:17.43 | itchi | xarquid: Add 'contrib' on the end of the lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:17.43 | xarquid | well, the contrib tree |
| 02:17.43 | jzxu | I have a 1.7 Ghz intel centrino processor. Is it normal for metacity to lag during opaque resizing and moving? |
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| 02:17.54 | itchi | jzxu: How much RAM have you. |
| 02:17.56 | itchi | ? |
| 02:18.01 | Guerin | jzxu: what gpu? |
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| 02:18.04 | cafuego | skaag: Well, it *should* be |
| 02:18.04 | jzxu | itchi: 768 MB |
| 02:18.06 | xarquid | ah, i'm dumb |
| 02:18.08 | xarquid | running apt-get update |
| 02:18.14 | skaag | crossing my fingers |
| 02:18.33 | jzxu | Guerin: it's a firegl mobility and I have the fglrx drivers installed, with dri working |
| 02:18.34 | itchi | xarquid: No worry, you can fix that, each day a bit :-p |
| 02:18.40 | cafuego | Just be glad you'r not using XFS ;-) |
| 02:18.41 | xarquid | very true |
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| 02:18.50 | xarquid | it's building :) |
| 02:19.16 | Guerin | jzxu: none of the video stuff should be on your cpu, it must be some sort of math thing |
| 02:19.22 | itchi | xarquid: You have install 'firmware-ipw3945' too? |
| 02:19.26 | Guerin | though I can't think what |
| 02:19.37 | xarquid | aye] |
| 02:19.44 | xarquid | I ran the entire command |
| 02:19.47 | itchi | xarquid: That's good |
| 02:19.55 | xarquid | selecting it in module-assistant now |
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| 02:20.09 | xuser | What's the file that holds the path for retrieving pkgs? |
| 02:20.15 | raf256 | how can I rename user? |
| 02:20.16 | jzxu | Guerin: that's what I thought |
| 02:20.27 | xarquid | it's installed now, supposedly hehe |
| 02:20.47 | Guerin | xuser: man sources.list |
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| 02:20.59 | itchi | xarquid: Yup, It's not that long that ipw3945 is in the Debian tree, before there was a need to compile that ipw3945 module be the hand (kinda easy be following the instructions) and place the firmware on the rigt place (now 'automagic', if you install the firmware-ipw3945). |
| 02:21.08 | jzxu | Guerin: but it's very obvious that the CPU is under heavy load when I'm moving windows around a lot |
| 02:21.11 | zinx | raf256: man usermod? |
| 02:21.18 | xarquid | ah |
| 02:21.22 | TaHaNoM_vE | Hi to all, i have a problem, any flash animation get SOUND |
| 02:21.22 | Guerin | jzxu: i blame gnome |
| 02:21.28 | raf256 | zinx: will it work - like - no application will depend on user name etc? |
| 02:21.35 | xuser | Guerin: thx |
| 02:21.38 | Guerin | !irritate TaHaNoM_vE |
| 02:21.38 | dpkg | TaHaNoM_vE: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd plz msg me, tomaw_ |
| 02:21.39 | TaHaNoM_vE | No sound whit the flash animations :S who can help me? |
| 02:21.43 | xarquid | itchi: so the wireless network(s) via the card should show up in gnome's network settings now, right? |
| 02:21.48 | zinx | raf256: applications don't generally depend on username, but i can't guarantee it. |
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| 02:21.59 | zinx | raf256: most stuff uses the uid |
| 02:22.02 | xarquid | as eth*? |
| 02:22.04 | itchi | xarquid: Once the the 'installer' done, yes |
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| 02:22.41 | xarquid | yeah, Version 1.1.2-7* of ipw3945-modules* already installed, skipping. |
| 02:22.43 | xarquid | It's installed. |
| 02:22.49 | xarquid | So now just activate it and cross my fingers? ;p |
| 02:22.55 | raf256 | zinx: actually, I dont see how to use usermod to rename an user |
| 02:23.04 | raf256 | zinx: can I simply change /etc/passwd and shadow by hand? |
| 02:23.05 | zinx | raf256: really? i do. |
| 02:23.10 | zinx | raf256: No. |
| 02:23.16 | zinx | raf256: don't do that, EVER. |
| 02:23.19 | itchi | xarquid: Should work, see i'm still here with my ipw3945 :-) |
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| 02:23.25 | raf256 | zinx: syntax is same as adding new user? I dont see word "rename" in man usermod |
| 02:23.36 | zinx | raf256: maybe it doesn't use the word "rename" |
| 02:23.56 | zinx | raf256: maybe it uses the word "changed". |
| 02:24.00 | raf256 | -l |
| 02:24.08 | zinx | raf256: there you go :) |
| 02:24.44 | raf256 | how should I used man to find that? |
| 02:24.51 | xarquid | Taking forever to activate |
| 02:24.57 | xarquid | *smacks his Lenovo around a bit* |
| 02:24.59 | raf256 | using keyword "rename" and "user" is there some more advanced search for that? |
| 02:25.16 | raf256 | not including google |
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| 02:25.32 | itchi | raf256: Heh, do a search /bla |
| 02:25.42 | zinx | raf256: fwiw, changing /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd is akin to editing /etc/sudoers by hand - but there's no vipasswd, so figure out how to do what you want with the utilities like usermod :/ |
| 02:25.50 | raf256 | itchi: I did /rename and it didnt worked as expected |
| 02:26.10 | xarquid | ok, disabled eth1 (which was the wired connection) after activating eth0...it's activated but gnome/the network applet is not showing wireless items (just "Wired Networks" greyed out) |
| 02:26.12 | zinx | raf256: some times you have to bite the bullet and read all the options. |
| 02:26.21 | raf256 | mhm ok so I will use usermod, and change possible scripts depending on user NAME like ulimits confing, sshd config |
| 02:26.36 | raf256 | zinx: wouldnt it be better if it would worked also for /renmae |
| 02:26.44 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.44 | boka | wtf ? |
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| 02:26.59 | raf256 | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 02:27.13 | zinx | raf256: unfortunately man doesn't have artificially intelligent search functions |
| 02:27.30 | raf256 | zinx: I think it should |
| 02:27.37 | abrotman | so write it |
| 02:27.41 | raf256 | good idea |
| 02:27.41 | itchi | xarquid: There is an applet for wifi too, i not remember the name of it, but there's one. I use fluxbox |
| 02:27.44 | boka | hehe |
| 02:27.50 | xarquid | ah |
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| 02:28.22 | raf256 | if I write it, I hope it will be included in debian? say LGPL like license |
| 02:28.56 | xarquid | installed wi-fi radar ;p |
| 02:28.57 | itchi | xarquid: Wifi work? |
| 02:28.59 | boka | raf256: you'd have to buy them beer first |
| 02:29.04 | xarquid | not quite, watch it be a 2200 card |
| 02:29.08 | xarquid | but i don't think so. |
| 02:29.29 | itchi | xarquid: Do you mean a ipw2200 ? |
| 02:29.32 | raf256 | boka: shouldnt it work the other way around in upstream - distrodevel |
| 02:29.32 | boka | itchi: howdy. :) |
| 02:29.36 | xarquid | yes |
| 02:29.49 | xarquid | I have no idea why it is not connecting/recognizing the card |
| 02:29.51 | itchi | xarquid: Heh, that's that's euuhmm ... no comment :-p |
| 02:30.00 | boka | itchi: long time no see |
| 02:30.07 | itchi | xarquid: look with lspci |
| 02:30.24 | itchi | boka: Euhm, your nick say me somethings, yeah, it looks long time ago :-) |
| 02:30.39 | xarquid | So apparently this one has two wi-fi cards |
| 02:30.50 | itchi | xarquid: Serious? |
| 02:31.01 | xarquid | The one we have installed and another controlled by Atheros AR5212 (which uses mad-wifi, I believe?) |
| 02:31.04 | xarquid | Yes, this is weird. |
| 02:31.08 | boka | hah |
| 02:31.10 | boka | :) |
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| 02:31.12 | xarquid | It used to be a corporate laptop, nfc why they have two in it. |
| 02:31.51 | axolx | hey gusy: im getting "Corrupted MAC on input" when im trying to scp a tree to one of my servers. im afraid i have some RAM trouble on the server. how can i run a memory test? what's the most through and simplest debian package to use? |
| 02:32.10 | itchi | boka: Oh bokey |
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| 02:32.26 | itchi | boka: Says me a bit more, but still not remember :-p |
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| 02:33.14 | g_robot | anyone familiar with pluto? |
| 02:33.17 | xarquid | So shall I uninstall the one card and try to install the Atheros controller? lol |
| 02:33.33 | itchi | axolx: See /msg dpkg memtest |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | g_robot: it's not really a planet |
| 02:34.07 | abrotman | g_robot: and the orbit is off-plane with the rest of the planets |
| 02:34.08 | g_robot | i abrotman yeah, nor a real distro |
| 02:34.46 | g_robot | im having an issue with getting sources through apt-get for pluto |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | what is pluto ? |
| 02:34.58 | abrotman | !pluto |
| 02:35.02 | xarquid | madwifi is already in the kernel modules |
| 02:35.06 | xarquid | i have nfc what is going on ;p |
| 02:35.11 | g_robot | i get an error that tells me to run apt-get update |
| 02:35.32 | itchi | g_robot: Where do you see that pluto package? |
| 02:35.42 | g_robot | on the site |
| 02:35.58 | nvz | !vague |
| 02:35.58 | dpkg | Hi, I've got a problem but I'm not going to explain it to you in a coherent way. I'm also going to annoy you by using contractions like "ur" and "ne", furthermore I'm going to make up my own abbreviations of technical phrases and terms |
| 02:36.03 | abrotman | g_robot: so this isn't exactly Debian ? |
| 02:36.31 | g_robot | abrotman, well it is... uses apt-get, but not completely, preconfigured debian |
| 02:36.40 | abrotman | g_robot: so .. not debian :) |
| 02:36.53 | g_robot | i.e. like ubutu, but not a piece of s*** |
| 02:37.09 | itchi | g_robot: sidux ? |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | but like ubuntu .. doesn't work either :) |
| 02:37.22 | itchi | g_robot: heh, anyway, your screwed :-p |
| 02:37.27 | g_robot | exactly =) |
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| 02:37.48 | itchi | g_robot: Format that thing a use true stuff ;-) |
| 02:37.59 | g_robot | well basically i need to tell apt-get to forget dependencies, i want kernel sources no matter what |
| 02:38.30 | g_robot | apt-get is puking because it is certain i need this dependency, and im certain i dont, well not for what im doing |
| 02:38.46 | g_robot | i just need to compile a completely unrelated kernel module |
| 02:39.18 | g_robot | oh and -f isnt getting it |
| 02:39.20 | itchi | g_robot: Us could not help you, we dunno what you use and anyway, you should go to the #channel of your distro |
| 02:39.24 | cafuego | nvz: speaking of, can contapointal volteums be umserted via dpkg to unist flibble? |
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| 02:39.46 | xarquid | itchi: So madwifi is already installed, but is not really showing up. I just installed madwifi-tools successfully. |
| 02:40.01 | g_robot | itchi, ha, thats great... its debian, in fact the kernel sources are listed in debians cache |
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| 02:40.10 | damejiar | !topic |
| 02:40.30 | g_robot | i just need guidence on how to over ride apt-get's dependency checking |
| 02:41.02 | itchi | xarquid: See you him in ifconfig -a ? |
| 02:41.40 | xarquid | it should be eth1 by that standard |
| 02:41.44 | xarquid | my wired connection is eth0 |
| 02:42.13 | itchi | xarquid: Not especially, the names you may change if you want |
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| 02:42.37 | xarquid | anyways, both eth's show up |
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| 02:42.58 | piper69 | i am having a problem with my network |
| 02:43.04 | itchi | !tell giod -about root |
| 02:43.18 | piper69 | http://pastebin.ca/466490 |
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| 02:44.11 | itchi | piper69: What's the problem? |
| 02:44.21 | itchi | piper69: Did you configure the both? |
| 02:44.30 | cafuego | the both? |
| 02:44.38 | itchi | nic's |
| 02:44.53 | piper69 | itchi: 1 sec let me check one thing |
| 02:44.58 | jetscreamer | The Both.. Boss of The Goths |
| 02:45.02 | xarquid | lol |
| 02:45.12 | xarquid | rebooting my system and my head is spinning around like on the exorcist |
| 02:45.26 | xarquid | everything worked great in sarge ;p |
| 02:45.48 | itchi | Yeah, my english is crazy; i like to say; if you understand me, it's that your good |
| 02:46.20 | itchi | xarquid: How so? |
| 02:46.21 | g_robot | !tell itchi qui qui |
| 02:46.21 | xarquid | itchi: I just mean wireless worked. |
| 02:46.22 | piper69 | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/466632 |
| 02:46.24 | xarquid | No issues |
| 02:46.54 | piper69 | itchi: eth0 is for wireless |
| 02:47.07 | itchi | piper69: And why do you not configure eth1 ? |
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| 02:47.43 | xarquid | eth1 was sent to here by devil |
| 02:47.51 | piper69 | itchi: i want eth0 to share internet connection to eth1 |
| 02:47.51 | itchi | xarquid: Does it not work right now? It's a bit confusing for my bad english |
| 02:48.06 | itchi | piper69: Why? |
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| 02:48.18 | xarquid | itchi: I deactivate eth1 (wired on mine) and activate eth0 (wireless) and it still does not work |
| 02:48.21 | itchi | piper69: It's on the same box |
| 02:48.22 | xarquid | I have madwifi installed |
| 02:48.38 | xarquid | (http://madwifi.org/) And it is in the kernel module-assistant |
| 02:48.41 | piper69 | itchi: because i want to connect my ATA router which uses 192.168.15.1 |
| 02:48.42 | itchi | xarquid: Did you setup the wifi? |
| 02:48.53 | xarquid | what is there to setup? |
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| 02:49.07 | itchi | xarquid: heh |
| 02:49.26 | piper69 | itchi: ATA= Analog Telephone Adaptor |
| 02:49.32 | TML | What might cause "Right Alt+F<n>" to stop taking me to vt <n>+12? |
| 02:49.40 | xarquid | someone needs to write some kind of applet to include in the default gnome/kde installation for wifi support in networking by default |
| 02:49.41 | itchi | xarquid: Setup it with that gnome tool there |
| 02:49.51 | xarquid | itchi: that's what I tried to do |
| 02:49.54 | xarquid | It's not working hehe |
| 02:50.07 | itchi | xarquid: Is that other card 'desactivated' ? |
| 02:50.11 | xarquid | The gnome tool is just showing "Wired Networks" |
| 02:50.12 | xarquid | yes |
| 02:50.19 | xarquid | only wireless card is activated |
| 02:50.33 | xarquid | The gnome tool has a drop down box with just "Wired Networks" greyed out, isn't showing wireless |
| 02:51.33 | cafuego | Can someone please remind me why I'm not blocking all of China? |
| 02:51.33 | itchi | cafuego: Cause you forget to set that rule |
| 02:51.34 | xarquid | cafuego: you can't block nukes |
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| 02:52.06 | jetscreamer | because you're chinese? |
| 02:52.19 | piper69 | itchi: aer you still helping me ? |
| 02:52.22 | cafuego | jetscreamer: nah |
| 02:52.28 | xarquid | I am using NetworkManager Applet 0.6.4 which came with this distro/gnome. Is this p.o.s. the problem? |
| 02:53.01 | itchi | piper69: I dunno about the thing you would like to setup |
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| 02:53.27 | piper69 | itchi: its a linksys router |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | cafuego: big boobs ? |
| 02:54.11 | cafuego | abrotman: now that you mention it |
| 02:54.26 | itchi | xarquid: Click on that icon and select there 'Configure network setting' |
| 02:54.38 | xarquid | That is not an option |
| 02:54.51 | itchi | xarquid: With the left mouse on that icon |
| 02:54.52 | piper69 | itchi: in windows there is ICS(Internet Connection Sharing), is there is something like that in Debian |
| 02:54.55 | xarquid | I have to go to Desktop > Admin > Networking |
| 02:55.03 | piper69 | do i need to install a pkg |
| 02:55.05 | xarquid | I know ;) Not an option |
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| 02:55.12 | piper69 | !ics |
| 02:55.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ics is the acronym for "Internet Chess Server". You can use Xboard to connect to one(For example, ICC - http://www.chessclub.com). |
| 02:55.13 | xarquid | Only thing it shows is "Wired Networks" greyed out completely when I do that |
| 02:55.16 | phogg | NetworkManager is supposed to be great and all, but I don't know for sure what it's doing so I'm afraid to use it. |
| 02:55.32 | itchi | xarquid: I thought you talked about that 'netapplet' |
| 02:55.42 | xarquid | No NetworkManager |
| 02:55.46 | itchi | xarquid: But yeah, your on the right place ^ |
| 02:55.46 | piper69 | !ICS |
| 02:55.46 | dpkg | well, ics is the acronym for "Internet Chess Server". You can use Xboard to connect to one(For example, ICC - http://www.chessclub.com). |
| 02:55.49 | phogg | piper69: ICS is what Windows calls NAT. Linux calls it IPMasq |
| 02:55.55 | xarquid | NetworkManager Applet 0.6.4 |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | or you just call it NAT |
| 02:56.08 | Dewi | phogg: or "ip masquerading" |
| 02:56.13 | piper69 | phogg: thank you |
| 02:56.14 | nvz | piper69: real programmers dont make up stupid acronyms for real life things |
| 02:56.21 | phogg | Dewi, abrotman: Unless you're reading the IPMASQ-HOWTO |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | or you just call it NAT |
| 02:56.29 | itchi | xarquid: Anyway, go there in Desktop > Admin > Networking or what it is called |
| 02:56.35 | piper69 | abrotman: hey how are you man |
| 02:56.36 | cafuego | hrm |
| 02:56.37 | xarquid | yes, I have been there |
| 02:56.38 | xarquid | hehe |
| 02:56.39 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:56.42 | phogg | piper69: linux and NAT are your keywords. Go go super google search! |
| 02:56.51 | itchi | xarquid: And see that the 'Default gateway device' is set correct (or see the command 'route') |
| 02:56.53 | Dewi | phogg: actually it's called "Linux IP Masquerade HOWTO" |
| 02:56.53 | piper69 | !IPMasq |
| 02:56.54 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 02:56.58 | itchi | I hate GUI ! |
| 02:57.15 | itchi | That's hard to explain, click there, do that click there again ... |
| 02:57.21 | phogg | Dewi: the file I read was IPMASQ-HOWTO.txt.gz *shrug* |
| 02:57.50 | jetscreamer | so is your name really phineas? |
| 02:57.55 | phogg | hey, what do you know. dpkg has a great answer |
| 02:58.04 | itchi | xarquid: Probably your 'route' is not set correctly |
| 02:58.04 | Dewi | phogg: you read a gzipped stream? Excellent :) |
| 02:58.07 | phogg | jetscreamer: no, not really. But thanks for noticing. |
| 02:58.17 | jetscreamer | Dewi: zless? |
| 02:58.22 | phogg | Dewi: sadly, not that leet. zless. |
| 02:58.24 | cafuego | piper69: /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/ |
| 02:58.40 | cafuego | piper69: There is a simple NAT connection sharing ruleset in there. |
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| 02:58.49 | jetscreamer | but you probably knew htat |
| 02:59.03 | Dewi | jetscreamer: yeah. real men use gunzip | vim - |
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| 02:59.20 | Dewi | jetscreamer: less is just too slim for me |
| 02:59.23 | cafuego | Dewi: vim does that tarnsparently ;-) |
| 02:59.33 | phogg | Dewi: real men use cat file.gz > /dev/dsp and decypher the noise. |
| 02:59.40 | Dewi | cafuego: gzip detection? oh man, I love vim so much |
| 02:59.47 | piper69 | cafuego: thank you sir |
| 02:59.59 | phogg | Dewi: too slim eh? THen whynot gunzip | emacs -? |
| 03:00.02 | jetscreamer | bruce schnier or however you spell it could read it just by looking at the filename |
| 03:00.13 | piper69 | i think i have some reading to do, i will come back if i got some questions |
| 03:00.20 | cafuego | phogg: Because Real Men doesn't use EmacsOS. |
| 03:00.20 | piper69 | bbl |
| 03:00.33 | jetscreamer | real men use asm |
| 03:00.33 | Dewi | phogg: heh. you just had to go too far |
| 03:01.04 | piper69 | itchi: and everyone else who tried to help me, thank you for help me ;) i realy appreciate that |
| 03:01.05 | Dewi | phogg: I accidentally started that openbsd emacs clone the other day, and it took me ages to figure out how to quit |
| 03:01.09 | phogg | Dewi: it's not over till it's a text editor war |
| 03:01.12 | xarquid | From what I can tell my Laptop is treating both eth1 and eth0 as WIRED connections and does not recognize either as wireless |
| 03:01.17 | Dewi | phogg: it's at least as hard as vim, I don't know what people are complaining about |
| 03:01.18 | cafuego | !start an editor war |
| 03:01.18 | dpkg | nvi doesn't deserve to be in linux |
| 03:01.22 | itchi | piper69: No worry, your welcome ;-) |
| 03:01.34 | cafuego | phogg: you're welcome |
| 03:01.37 | phogg | Dewi: openbsd emacs clone? never heard of it. What's it called? |
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| 03:02.03 | cafuego | phogg: ed (Emacs in bsD) |
| 03:02.17 | cafuego | Much like BSD itself, it's somewjhat spartan and underfeatured ;-) |
| 03:02.22 | phogg | cafuego: is it random or will dpkg never say something negative about vi? |
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| 03:02.35 | Dewi | phogg: openbsd has slimmer clone versions of both vim and emacs, instead of the real ones, in core. I don't think I have access to any machines with real emacs on them |
| 03:02.40 | phogg | cafuego: ed as in... the line editor? |
| 03:02.42 | cafuego | phogg: should be random |
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| 03:03.01 | jetscreamer | edlin! |
| 03:03.12 | phogg | Dewi: I would think that they'd use the original vi, or a close derivative. |
| 03:03.33 | Dewi | cafuego / phogg: it's called mg |
| 03:03.44 | phogg | jetscreamer: edlin is like ed for people who don't really want power OR small footprint |
| 03:03.57 | phogg | Dewi: thanks |
| 03:03.58 | Dewi | cafuego: ed is an even less cool editor |
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| 03:04.27 | phogg | Dewi: I love names like mg because they are so easy to search for. |
| 03:04.50 | jager | if my apache2 doesn't have gd extension for an image gallery, what package might i need to install to get apache2 and gd to work? on etch? |
| 03:05.07 | Dewi | phogg: obviously the original vi doesn't have a compatible license, and I'm sure nvi is more compatible with it, but it's still got more features than the original |
| 03:05.34 | Dewi | phogg: yeah, whoever decided on the name ".net" was a fucking idiot |
| 03:05.39 | phogg | jagar: start with a probable query like 'apt-cache search apache gd' and see what you find |
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| 03:06.21 | jager | just runit-services |
| 03:06.26 | jager | tried that already |
| 03:06.38 | phogg | I'm going to cafepress me a "I am a Google Proxy" T-shirt |
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| 03:07.13 | phogg | jager: you know that gd is not an apache module, right? It's used with a scripting language. |
| 03:07.38 | jager | it's an external image processor, yeah |
| 03:07.52 | cafuego | jager: php5-gd |
| 03:08.04 | jager | hrm i installed that |
| 03:08.09 | phogg | ...if you're using php |
| 03:08.19 | cafuego | Alternatively, imagemagick. |
| 03:08.20 | phogg | there are also packages for perl, ruby, etc. |
| 03:08.50 | n3kl | jager: you are going to need to enable gd.so in your php.ini |
| 03:08.58 | jager | aha |
| 03:09.00 | Dewi | n3kl: package manager should do that |
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| 03:09.10 | n3kl | Dewi: I don't think so |
| 03:09.16 | jager | let's look |
| 03:09.17 | jager | good idea |
| 03:09.18 | phogg | It used to do that. |
| 03:09.57 | Dewi | jager: you can see what your PHP currently supports by looking at this script: <?php phpinfo; ?> |
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| 03:10.29 | phogg | /etc/php4/conf.d/gd.ini - should be included automatically |
| 03:10.46 | cafuego | But not util you relaod apache(2) |
| 03:10.53 | itchi | n3kl: dpkg manage to add taht gd.so |
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| 03:11.16 | itchi | At least, it work out of the box |
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| 03:11.34 | jager | yes thanks n3kl it was commented out |
| 03:11.37 | phogg | cafuego: the install script offers to do that, iirc. |
| 03:11.55 | itchi | jager: Heh, did you need to comment that out? |
| 03:12.00 | n3kl | jager: np, remember to do that for mysql also if you need it. |
| 03:12.13 | jager | the extension was there, and yes mysql was also commented out |
| 03:12.13 | cafuego | jager: You using `gallery2' ? |
| 03:12.30 | jager | i had thought to try exopose4 actually |
| 03:12.36 | torshido | Question: I have an old production server running Debian 3.0, I tried to upgrade it to 3.1 to upgrade it to 4.0 later, but /etc/apt/sources.list points to servers that dont exist anymoire |
| 03:12.40 | jager | although i've used gallery in the past |
| 03:12.45 | jager | expose4 excuse me |
| 03:12.45 | cafuego | Ah ok, I've not heard of/used that one |
| 03:12.45 | torshido | how can I get a sources.list to upgrade to 3.1? Should I upgrade to 3.1 first, and then to 4.0? |
| 03:12.52 | jager | check it out it' |
| 03:12.55 | jager | s slick |
| 03:13.03 | jager | GD extension unavailable |
| 03:13.08 | jager | soory |
| 03:13.13 | jager | http://www.slooz.com/trinkets.php?proj=expose |
| 03:13.40 | xarquid | i am so just going to go rip out an old pcmia wifi card out of an old laptop and use it |
| 03:13.45 | xarquid | this is rediculous |
| 03:13.49 | jager | my friend used it on his site you can demo it at http://www.lukemacneil.com/component/option,com_expose/Itemid,57/ |
| 03:14.15 | jager | it's set up as a joomla component |
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| 03:14.35 | cafuego | hmm, flash |
| 03:15.19 | jager | i think it's cool |
| 03:15.21 | n3kl | Anyone know of any sort of media server that I could install? I need cool new projects. =] |
| 03:15.29 | jager | purists hate flash, i know :) |
| 03:15.31 | cafuego | n3kl: mythtv |
| 03:15.50 | n3kl | cafuego: that seems to be THE thing, huh? |
| 03:15.55 | cafuego | well |
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| 03:16.04 | boka | jager: anyway who are these so called "purists" ? |
| 03:16.08 | boka | :) |
| 03:16.40 | g_robot | im upgrading kernels from 2.6.16 - 2.6.18, is there any packages to generate the kernel for me? i.e. genkernel. i dont have my orginal source |
| 03:16.51 | jager | i figured i'd find some of them in here tbh boka |
| 03:16.56 | jager | flash is not free |
| 03:16.58 | n3kl | cafuego: I will install it and see for myself |
| 03:17.59 | itchi | n3kl: See #mythtv too ;-) Cause mythtv is kinda hard to setup, but once done hehe very nice :-) |
| 03:18.34 | itchi | n3kl: And before setting it up, you need to setup some other tools too |
| 03:18.42 | abrotman | !d-i g_robot |
| 03:18.43 | dpkg | g_robot, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:18.49 | jager | what was that thing |
| 03:18.56 | jager | the linux media center edition |
| 03:19.15 | cafuego | itchi: Actually, it's dead easy to set up. |
| 03:19.18 | jager | http://linuxmce.com/ |
| 03:19.32 | itchi | cafuego: Yeah, if you know how it goes :-) |
| 03:19.37 | g_robot | jager, mce is garbage |
| 03:19.41 | boka | jager: microsoft's Linux distribution's default media player |
| 03:19.53 | jager | ? |
| 03:19.55 | g_robot | jager, great idea, just released very premature |
| 03:20.05 | g_robot | jager, its not ready |
| 03:20.14 | cafuego | itchi: Nah, just the packaged version; works dandy. |
| 03:20.16 | g_robot | jager, have you tried installing it? |
| 03:21.16 | jager | demo video looks cool |
| 03:21.16 | jager | no i don't have a tuner card :( |
| 03:21.16 | g_robot | jager, yeah... that is the video of the only instance of it working |
| 03:21.17 | jager | hahaha nice |
| 03:21.17 | phogg | jager: tuner cards are worth the buy. Saves money on a tivo. |
| 03:21.17 | n3kl | itchi: thanks for the tip |
| 03:21.17 | g_robot | jager, look at their forums, people are bitching and moaning about it.. ive spent 3 days on the "easy" 20 minute install |
| 03:21.17 | jager | haha |
| 03:21.19 | g_robot | jager, 2 different machines, and all very compatible hardware |
| 03:21.23 | cafuego | jager: ... makes 'em all available via the network throughout the house. |
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| 03:21.45 | jager | i have a modded xbox and i use xbmc for my media center |
| 03:21.59 | jager | media is shared over samba |
| 03:22.02 | phogg | g_robot: roll your own. It can't be hard. |
| 03:22.22 | jager | works well enough |
| 03:22.23 | g_robot | phogg, thats what im working on =) |
| 03:22.34 | jager | they lost money on this xbox :) |
| 03:22.35 | itchi | cafuego: What is MS? :-p |
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| 03:22.43 | xarquid | i have a dlink media server thingie (wireless) -- bet that will be fun to get up and running with linux ;p |
| 03:22.52 | phogg | g_robot: I have a media server/tv box. If it had a remote control I'd be set for my purposes. |
| 03:23.08 | Mr_Dave | phogg: I use a wireless keyboard for that |
| 03:23.17 | g_robot | ive got the x10 mouse remote, that is ok, and i just picked up a gyration |
| 03:23.26 | g_robot | phogg, which is wicket |
| 03:23.28 | xarquid | i have a logitech harmony 880 |
| 03:23.32 | n3kl | cafuego: what does PVR stand for? |
| 03:23.36 | xarquid | which isn't supported by vista or linux yet |
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| 03:23.41 | g_robot | xarquid, thats nice, except no rf? |
| 03:23.42 | xarquid | so it basically has sat here for 2 months since i got it |
| 03:23.44 | cafuego | itchi: A debilitating disease |
| 03:23.57 | itchi | cafuego: :-) |
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| 03:24.01 | Mr_Dave | n3kl: Personal Video Recorder, I think |
| 03:24.05 | cafuego | !pvr |
| 03:24.14 | phogg | Mr_Dave: that is correct |
| 03:24.15 | n3kl | ah, thanks |
| 03:24.28 | n3kl | and behind door number three... |
| 03:25.30 | cafuego | ... a man with a cricket bat. |
| 03:25.32 | xarquid | itchi: so you like fluxbox? ;) |
| 03:26.08 | Mr_Dave | I was going to guess nothing |
| 03:26.13 | Mr_Dave | and that I should have picked the red snapper |
| 03:26.14 | itchi | xarquid: Sure :-) |
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| 03:26.43 | xarquid | I usually prefer gnome now a days but used to use enlightenment a lot back in the day |
| 03:26.57 | phogg | xarquid: gnome? eww. |
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| 03:27.02 | xarquid | ... |
| 03:27.05 | phogg | real men use windowmaker |
| 03:27.24 | n3kl | Does mythtv need X? |
| 03:27.26 | phogg | Or anything else. GNOME 2+ is junk. |
| 03:27.31 | cafuego | n3kl: The frontend does |
| 03:27.35 | n3kl | nevermind, I will ask in #mythtv |
| 03:27.40 | xarquid | wonder if there are any good polls out there with what people use as window managers |
| 03:27.42 | n3kl | cafuego: thanks |
| 03:27.45 | xarquid | bet the top are kde/gnome ;p |
| 03:27.50 | xarquid | then maybe...hmm |
| 03:27.55 | abrotman | xarquid: they are |
| 03:28.04 | cafuego | xarquid: Aqua wins, I imagine. |
| 03:28.14 | frankr | xarquid, xfce would be up there too |
| 03:28.18 | phogg | xarquid: those are the top because they are distro defaults. They are distro defaults because they are windows-like and therefore 'easy', and because they are DEs now WMs. |
| 03:28.35 | xarquid | aye |
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| 03:28.39 | phogg | xarquid: few people who have actually selected a WM themselves use either kwin or metacity |
| 03:28.40 | frankr | not |
| 03:28.41 | xuser | is there fluxbox devel in 4.0 ? |
| 03:29.01 | xarquid | so fluxbox/xfce are also 'nice' ? |
| 03:29.11 | itchi | xarquid: Try it out ;-) |
| 03:29.23 | itchi | xarquid: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fluxbox_vista_01.jpg |
| 03:29.49 | xarquid | nice |
| 03:29.54 | xarquid | it's not bloated like gnome/kde |
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| 03:30.12 | itchi | xarquid: 'You' make it 'bloated' like you want |
| 03:30.24 | xarquid | lol |
| 03:30.46 | xarquid | i think most distros come with bloated kde/gnome interfaces and menus |
| 03:30.48 | xuser | itchi: what version is that? |
| 03:30.55 | itchi | heh, i should think for a backup plan for my screenshots :-p Lost many of these the last time :-) |
| 03:31.33 | itchi | xuser: 0.9.14-1.2 |
| 03:31.42 | itchi | xuser: Kinda old one :-( |
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| 03:32.14 | itchi | The maintainer have package the 1.0.2 or somethings like that. I wonder why it is still not in the repo |
| 03:32.43 | xuser | itchi: can you install it on 4.0? |
| 03:32.53 | itchi | xuser: Which one? |
| 03:32.54 | rahul | mmmm good mango |
| 03:33.03 | xarquid | itchi: I see an Alicia Keys song in your que ;p |
| 03:33.07 | xuser | i mean, will it be available for 4.0? 1.0.2 |
| 03:33.19 | deadcat | i dont get that fluxbox vista jpg... |
| 03:33.47 | itchi | xarquid: Yeah, maybe, i listen a bit to all |
| 03:34.16 | itchi | deadcat: Yeah, sorry, i took a random fluxbox one :-s |
| 03:34.40 | deadcat | itchi: why there so many xterm? (= |
| 03:34.42 | itchi | My browser history buahaha :-p |
| 03:34.57 | itchi | deadcat: Cause screen is not that fun :-) |
| 03:34.59 | itchi | nah, nonsense |
| 03:35.07 | itchi | nah, i was doing some tests :-) |
| 03:36.03 | militant | screen is awesome |
| 03:36.05 | militant | period. |
| 03:36.39 | itchi | I use it, but mostly i open a made a screen session special for irssi, one for 'work' and the rest is just xterm's |
| 03:37.00 | itchi | whoao, my record of typo's today :-) |
| 03:37.18 | deadcat | i got a cool screen screenshot (= |
| 03:37.49 | itchi | deadcat: Even tried ratpoison ? :-) |
| 03:38.02 | xarquid | lol |
| 03:38.07 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 03:38.45 | deadcat | wow. its been a while since i took a screenshot of screen: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/callery.php?ALBUM=gallery/linux/screenshots/screen |
| 03:39.08 | xarquid | <3 eterm |
| 03:39.26 | militant | i don't run anything on my box. well not really. i run everything on the laptop that does nothing, and it's all screen'd and ssh -X'd over to my 'real' box |
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| 03:39.31 | itchi | deadcat: Do you use centric right now ? |
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| 03:40.30 | deadcat | itchi: whats centric? |
| 03:40.35 | xarquid | deadcat: some nice screenshots at http://deadcat.katzeye.com/callery.php?ALBUM=gallery/linux/screenshots/xwd_20060304_10459.jpg |
| 03:40.58 | jhambo | My mouse (trackpad) is WAY too slow. Setting inside of KDE have no effect What can I do? |
| 03:41.08 | itchi | deadcat: centericd |
| 03:41.14 | itchi | arg, agian |
| 03:41.28 | militant | jhambo: i had that problem |
| 03:41.31 | deadcat | xarquid: no more transparency or anything like that now.. just plan openbox.. my 800mhz p3 cant handle anything fancy hehe |
| 03:41.42 | militant | jhambo: is it synaptec? |
| 03:41.49 | deadcat | and those lazy openbox dev dont write glx stuff |
| 03:42.03 | jhambo | militant: yah I think. I remember there was a one-liner that fixed it but I can't remember what it was... |
| 03:42.05 | deadcat | itchi: nah. i just run irssi with bitlbee |
| 03:42.09 | itchi | deadcat: That msn, irc client |
| 03:42.17 | deadcat | centericq |
| 03:42.20 | deadcat | not icd |
| 03:42.30 | militant | jhambo: the oneliner didn't work for me. i have a section in my xorg.conf that does it though |
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| 03:43.34 | militant | jhambo: would you like me to post it to the web so you can copy it in and try |
| 03:43.38 | phogg | jhambo: xset |
| 03:43.58 | militant | phogg: xset m didn't do anything for me, and it won't likely do anything for him |
| 03:44.17 | militant | it's not just a mosue issue |
| 03:44.20 | phogg | militant: it's the first thing to try since it's easier than restarting X |
| 03:44.22 | militant | it's a touchpad sensitivity issue |
| 03:44.43 | phogg | you're the expert |
| 03:44.53 | itchi | deadcat: Yeah, i'm always wrong on that name :-) |
| 03:45.09 | jhambo | Hmmm okay looks like maybe I'll just try some cut and paste for my xorg.conf, thanks all |
| 03:45.12 | militant | hardly an expert. i'm just pointing out that i had the same problem, and nothing worked, not the oneliner, not xset, nothing. til this xorg.conf section |
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| 03:52.41 | n3kl | How can I give a user access to my x session? I thought xhost + localhost would do the trick. |
| 03:53.44 | jeremyb | n3kl: that doesn't sound debian specific... maybe ##linux would have more help? |
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| 03:59.22 | Tusker | heya guys... was wondering if there was a command that can verify installed package binaries? A filesystem of mine has managed to become corrupted, with quite a few binary files with bad inodes... is there a way to either reinstall all packages, or verify the installed contents vs the binary package ? |
| 03:59.59 | xsdg | Tusker: I don't know of a way to verify (though there might be a program that does that) |
| 04:01.13 | xsdg | Tusker: you could do dpkg --get-selections > installed_packages and then go through and reinstall (apt-get --reinstall install pkgnames) in groups of 10 or so |
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| 04:01.41 | Tusker | apt-get install `cat installed_packages` ? |
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| 04:02.17 | xsdg | Tusker: you probably don't want to reinstall them all at once, otherwise, that would work |
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| 04:03.31 | itchi | !reinstall |
| 04:03.31 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 04:03.49 | itchi | But there is a way to check the md5 sum of the stuff, but not ask me how :-) |
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| 04:05.25 | hatter | anyone got any ideas what this means : BUG: warning at include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sg() ? Its happening during the tape backup |
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| 04:06.24 | hatter | or what to do to find out what it means ? it fills up syslog when the tape backup is running |
| 04:06.51 | Tusker | ok, thanks |
| 04:06.56 | Tusker | that gives me something to work with :) |
| 04:06.57 | Tusker | cheers guys |
| 04:07.01 | maux | hi. provided that i have libxaw and libxaw-hearders packages. what could i to solve : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXaw |
| 04:08.00 | maux | *try |
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| 04:09.49 | maux | any hints? |
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| 04:11.39 | itchi | maux: What are you doing? |
| 04:12.43 | maux | trying to compile x3270 ibmmainframe emulator |
| 04:12.45 | maux | or terminal... |
| 04:13.12 | maux | http://x3270.bgp.nu/ |
| 04:13.31 | maux | using debian etch |
| 04:14.05 | hatter | can someone recommend a good graphical backup program that will access the tape drive for gnome ? |
| 04:14.59 | indraveni | hi |
| 04:15.30 | indraveni | I used apt-file command to search for a package which will give me the spawn command |
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| 04:16.22 | indraveni | but ti listed number of pacakges, and I am unable to find out which will generate the spawn command |
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| 04:16.42 | indraveni | is there any way to get a small descrition along with the package name |
| 04:16.54 | indraveni | so that it will be easy for me to identify the pacakge |
| 04:17.11 | lhadji | aptitude gives descriptions |
| 04:17.27 | lhadji | there is search functions within aptitude |
| 04:17.29 | cafuego | indraveni: pipe the stuff apt-file finds into apt-cache |
| 04:17.59 | indraveni | cafuego, good idea, let me try |
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| 04:20.28 | timur | ok, this may be a dumb question, but I couldn't find a definite answer so far. What could the user edit to ensure that a certain path and variables are set when he/she logs in through xdm? |
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| 04:21.29 | dondelelcaro | timur: the user should be setting those sorts of things in their .bash_profile or .bashrc; otherwise, you could use .xsession |
| 04:22.47 | cafuego | apt-file search spawn | cut -d : -f 1 | uniq | xargs apt-cache show | egrep "^(Package|Description|Section)" | less |
| 04:23.25 | timur | thanks. let me try that out |
| 04:24.11 | lhadji | that's classic |
| 04:24.23 | cafuego | indraveni: Adding in a |sed "s/Package/\nPackage/g" right bfore the less pipe will probably be helpful too. |
| 04:24.42 | cafuego | spaces it out prettily ;-) |
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| 04:29.30 | intelikey | am i banned ? |
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| 04:29.49 | cafuego | yes |
| 04:29.51 | cafuego | shoo |
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| 04:30.09 | Vasistha | intelikey: well, you were heard in-channel |
| 04:30.14 | intelikey | looks like i can send to the channel... :) |
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| 04:30.38 | intelikey | Vasistha i didn't know if user name would trip the bot or not. |
| 04:30.47 | cafuego | indraveni: UN-root, should it? |
| 04:31.06 | cafuego | eh |
| 04:31.15 | cafuego | !tell intelikey -about root |
| 04:31.18 | intelikey | it has before |
| 04:31.24 | indraveni | cafuego, what is UN-root? |
| 04:31.26 | cafuego | Thera ya go ;-) |
| 04:31.30 | cafuego | indraveni: never mind |
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| 04:31.37 | Gryflhase | is there a way, that I can fix an external harddisc to a special /dev/sd_ ? |
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| 04:32.11 | intelikey | where is the best place to order pressed etch cd's ? |
| 04:32.21 | cafuego | Gryflhase: via udev, yes... but a special /dev/anything - I'd recommend against using /dev/sd[a-z] |
| 04:32.47 | Vasistha | intelikey: dunno about the "best" but I think you can get them through distrowatch.com |
| 04:33.09 | intelikey | k. |
| 04:34.05 | Gryflhase | cafuego: But what entry do I in /etc/fstab then, when i chooses once sda, the other time sdb or sdc.... depending if I have a card in the cardreader or the mp3-player pluged in? |
| 04:34.34 | Gryflhase | ... when it chooses once.... |
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| 04:36.56 | axolx | hey guys -- why does ls in etch not show the group info? |
| 04:37.05 | markybob | axolx: ls -l |
| 04:37.19 | axolx | markybob: yea ls -l is what i mean |
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| 04:37.25 | alaya_ | Gryflhase: another way is to use blkid and put the UUID in fstab instead of device name |
| 04:37.35 | markybob | axolx: it does |
| 04:37.59 | axolx | ok not in my std install of etch on a x86 |
| 04:38.18 | axolx | the same command on my sarge box does |
| 04:38.51 | markybob | axolx: are you the only admin? maybe someone messed with your aliases |
| 04:39.05 | axolx | im the only admin and isntalled the box yesterday |
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| 04:39.15 | axolx | its all fresh |
| 04:39.19 | markybob | axolx: using bash? |
| 04:39.25 | axolx | zsh |
| 04:39.36 | raf256 | What tool is good for collecting interesting log allerts etc into one file? And what to display such log real-time |
| 04:39.46 | axolx | markybob: bash shows it - weird |
| 04:40.00 | axolx | i have the same zshrc in my etch and sarge box. must be a version issue |
| 04:40.08 | axolx | markybob: thanks for your help |
| 04:40.11 | markybob | axolx: np |
| 04:41.20 | alaya_ | raf256: swatch can find things in log files and take actions you specify |
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| 04:42.26 | raf256 | alaya_: I prefer something working out-of-the-box reporting logins (ssh/remote and local VT) and warnings |
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| 04:43.50 | wols | to display a log: man tail |
| 04:44.22 | intelikey | i don't much like aptitude, with apt i can do things like apt-get remove blah* but aptitude just says more than X matches nothing removed. |
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| 04:45.26 | black_13 | apt-get source is source for a package? |
| 04:45.32 | black_13 | gets the source |
| 04:45.42 | raf256 | yes |
| 04:46.29 | black_13 | what do i do the diff file? |
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| 04:47.44 | cafuego | pipe it into patch |
| 04:48.09 | cafuego | Oh the debian one? nothing. |
| 04:49.01 | Vasistha | intelikey: true, but aptitude will save you in the long run, by intelligently managing pulled-in dependencies. And the front-end is really super. It's awkward at first, but most everyone who goes through the learning curve seems to end up loving it. |
| 04:49.12 | Amarande | apt-get source will automatically apply the debian diff, as far as I know |
| 04:49.13 | Peacimowen | intelikey: Aptitude has its uses. I generally use it to browse the cache, see what's installed, what's not, etc.. and sometimes upgrade things that display versions that are somewhat newer. |
| 04:49.21 | Peacimowen | If I know what I want, I just use apt |
| 04:49.44 | black_13 | when i downeded the source for openscenegraph i got this file : openscenegraph_1.2.0-2.diff.gz |
| 04:49.56 | black_13 | cafuego, what should i do with it? |
| 04:50.00 | intelikey | the front-end ? that ncurses night mare they call an interface ? |
| 04:50.08 | Peacimowen | I don't really like the aptitude interface. |
| 04:50.31 | Peacimowen | it needs help. |
| 04:50.42 | Vasistha | intelikey: like I said -- it's awkward at first, but if you learn it, it turns out it's really powerful. I read recently that some of the key bindings were adopted from mutt |
| 04:50.43 | hark | then, uh.. don't use it? |
| 04:51.16 | intelikey | Vasistha i have used it all i care to, thanks just the same. |
| 04:51.21 | [Cadet] | Or contribute to it. After all it "is" open source |
| 04:52.01 | Peacimowen | Not all of us have the ability to do that. |
| 04:52.15 | intelikey | or the training |
| 04:53.16 | intelikey | i mean, i'm a self made moreon, and C(++) isn't one of the things i taught me... |
| 04:53.21 | [Cadet] | Peacimowen: But we all have the ability to bitch about it. Instead of wasting time griping about things use that time to learn the necessary skills to change the things you don't like. |
| 04:53.37 | hark | you don't have to use the ncurses gui to use aptitude :) , it can function just about like apt-get in the same way |
| 04:53.43 | Peacimowen | Although I've now gotten in on a new multi-platform oss game I'm somehow going to help with. I have no clue what the hell I'm doing for the most part.. but I'll learn. |
| 04:53.57 | piper69 | can someone please tell me why my weather button showing "?" |
| 04:53.59 | Peacimowen | After that, maybe I can help with something else. |
| 04:53.59 | [Cadet] | Peacimowen: Exactly |
| 04:54.13 | rahul | intelikey: if you think you need to know C to use aptitude, you truely have made yourself a moron |
| 04:54.14 | Vasistha | piper69: probably because the weather station is down |
| 04:54.33 | piper69 | Vasistha: how can i verify |
| 04:54.45 | Vasistha | piper69: click on it? rightclick on it? |
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| 04:56.17 | piper69 | Vasistha: just keep saying updating |
| 04:56.51 | hatter | how can i stop something from writing to syslog ? |
| 04:56.54 | Vasistha | piper69: maybe it's having trouble connecting? maybe the station is down and isn't even reporting that it's down? Sometimes mine has a big question mark for days on end :P right now it's working, though |
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| 04:57.06 | cafuego | hmm |
| 04:57.18 | Vasistha | hatter: what is it? It might have an /etc/ config file |
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| 04:58.14 | militant | hmmm epiphany runs so much smoother/lighter |
| 04:58.39 | hatter | Vasistha: its a tar script writing to /dev/ht0 (tape) , this is shown BUG: warning at include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sg() then about 10 lines under and it happens about 20 times ames a second, which is filling up syslong very qiockly |
| 04:59.00 | cafuego | ugh, yuck! |
| 04:59.04 | hatter | but the data is being written to the tape |
| 04:59.11 | hark | militant: than iceweasel? duh haha |
| 04:59.15 | Vasistha | hatter: a tar "script"? do you have the source to this script? |
| 04:59.50 | cafuego | hatter: Why are you using ht0 and not st0? |
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| 05:00.27 | hatter | well, its quite simple, tar -czf /dev/ht0 /home/shared ... |
| 05:00.34 | cafuego | Yes. |
| 05:00.34 | hatter | cafuego: hmmm, not sure |
| 05:00.36 | cafuego | hatter: Why are you using ht0 and not st0? |
| 05:00.51 | cafuego | hatter: It'll use different device emulation, might be worth trying st0 |
| 05:01.15 | cafuego | ht0 is IDE |
| 05:01.16 | hatter | cafuego: ok, will give it a try |
| 05:01.22 | hatter | its an ide tape drive |
| 05:01.36 | hatter | sony 420 |
| 05:01.50 | cafuego | Yes, but dma_map_sg() is in the scsi-generic driver |
| 05:01.50 | hatter | those ide errors are quite awful |
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| 05:02.07 | piper69 | Vasistha: how can i fix it |
| 05:02.09 | cafuego | So it's running over scsi emulation, with a bit of luck st0 skips a layer |
| 05:02.17 | hatter | cafuego: ah, that might be why then |
| 05:02.22 | hatter | i will try, thx |
| 05:02.27 | cafuego | well, worth a try anyway |
| 05:02.41 | Vasistha | piper69: I doubt you can. I certainly don't know how. I just put up with it, and hope that it's back online the next day. You can always try another station |
| 05:02.57 | cafuego | hatter: If it still whines, you may need to torn off DMA dor the tape driver. |
| 05:03.13 | piper69 | Vasistha: see i can,t find where to change the satations |
| 05:03.17 | cafuego | hatter: Ie, boot with "ide=nodma hdX=ide-scsi" |
| 05:03.23 | Vasistha | piper69: are you using kweather? |
| 05:03.34 | hatter | cafuego: /dev/st0 is not linked |
| 05:03.35 | cafuego | THough it'll probably kill performance dead. |
| 05:03.45 | piper69 | nope |
| 05:03.48 | cafuego | hatter: Ok, then try the nodma boot option |
| 05:04.05 | piper69 | Vasistha: nope , |
| 05:04.05 | Vasistha | piper69: ah, well then I really can't help you. gnome? |
| 05:04.10 | cafuego | make sure hdX is the tape drive device |
| 05:04.17 | piper69 | Vasistha: yep gnome |
| 05:04.28 | Vasistha | piper69: you could ask in #gnome ... maybe someone there can help you |
| 05:04.47 | piper69 | Vasistha: thank you man |
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| 05:05.49 | Vasistha | piper69: good luck ... although before you expend too much energy, you might just put up with it for a day or two and see if it comes online. in my experience, various stations are offline semi-regularly, like at least once a week for several hours |
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| 05:07.17 | itchi | piper69: Did you define a location? And firewall not block it? |
| 05:07.59 | piper69 | itchi: yes and i am thinking 99% something got to do with wifi |
| 05:08.30 | itchi | piper69: Not realy, if you have network |
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| 05:22.17 | black_13 | what is a good combinde icq/msn client |
| 05:23.02 | markybob | gaim/pidgin |
| 05:23.03 | Vasistha | gaim, bitlbee, miranda, ... |
| 05:23.56 | hark | miranda works on linux? |
| 05:23.56 | Vasistha | I love kde and k apps, but IMO gaim is better than kopete ... I doubt miranda works on linux, it just came to mind, although I've never actually used it |
| 05:24.35 | pstickne | I can't stand GAIM. I much prefer Kopete. |
| 05:24.47 | pstickne | Although sometimes it's had some funky network issues... |
| 05:25.27 | Vasistha | pstickne: really! I always got frustrated with kopete because it crashed on me. Maybe they've solved those problems. Oh well ... maybe I'll try kopete again someday, if I ever have occasion to want to use something other than bitlbee |
| 05:26.05 | pstickne | Vasistha, I've been using it for the last 8 months [with minimal problems :] |
| 05:26.51 | pstickne | Two or three times it "just stopped working"; it refused to connect--some silly logic in the client or kde network infrastructure I think as it never even tried normal network communications. |
| 05:29.36 | xuser | Anyone using ipw2200 in etch? |
| 05:29.43 | hatter | iirc - ide-scsi is not necessary with 2.6 kernels ? |
| 05:29.59 | Supaplex | !ipw2200 |
| 05:29.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 05:30.28 | Supaplex | hatter: wodim and friends use dev=/dev/hdX now. no ide-scsi needed. (it's depreciated) |
| 05:30.40 | xuser | Supaplex: yeah, but can't get a wpa.conf to work. |
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| 05:31.09 | shapr | Hello, is anyone having problems installing php5? I get a version mismatch with the php5-common package, among others. |
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| 05:31.58 | cyzie | hello, i have split a file using split. how do i merge all them back into 1 file ? |
| 05:31.59 | xuser | Supaplex: are you using it? |
| 05:32.03 | Supaplex | no |
| 05:32.07 | Amarande | What I'm wondering about is in GAIM |
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| 05:32.30 | Amarande | in MSN, sometimes people have plain blue icons when online |
| 05:32.41 | Amarande | sometimes they have the blue icon guy holding a yellow thing that looks like a notepad for away |
| 05:32.44 | Supaplex | xuser: dpkg just said something about fireware to. did you take care of that? |
| 05:33.04 | hatter | Supaplex: thx, I am suffering with a sony tape drive that sony advises needs the ide-scsi module, I am getting a ridiculous amount of error messages in syslog related to the dma_map_sg |
| 05:33.07 | Amarande | some online people though, have a little squarish blue box next to their blue icon guy, with a red dot in it, looking something like a radio |
| 05:33.11 | Amarande | what's that icon mean? |
| 05:33.14 | shapr | I couldn't find php5 5.2.0-10 on any of the mirrors, nor could I find php5-common 5.2.0-11 on any of the mirrors. The packages.debian.org php5-common page lists two versions, 5.2.0-10 and 5.2.0-11 but the one that matches php5 can't be found. Any clues? |
| 05:34.06 | markybob | Amarande: this is #debian, not #pidgin. go there for gaim problems |
| 05:34.07 | Supaplex | hatter: humm. you could try an older kernel to see how related it is to ide-scsi. |
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| 05:35.07 | archville | morning |
| 05:35.27 | hatter | Supaplex: thats a good option, does etch still have 2.4 kernels avail. ? |
| 05:35.49 | xuser | Supaplex: yes |
| 05:36.15 | cyzie | hello, i have split a file using split. how do i merge all them back into 1 file ? |
| 05:36.41 | Supaplex | cyzie: the amazing cat. |
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| 05:39.16 | cyzie | thanks SubStack |
| 05:39.20 | cyzie | thanks Supaplex |
| 05:40.20 | Supaplex | np |
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| 05:40.59 | boka | http://www.flickr.com/photos/pkdouyk/241484893/ <- ESR 8) |
| 05:41.39 | Vasistha | isn't he married? |
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| 05:42.05 | CaT[tm] | boka: wow. nice photoshop job. |
| 05:42.27 | boka | hah thought so. :) |
| 05:43.41 | Vasistha | there are *so* *many* *people* in this channel, whom I've *never* seen speak a word |
| 05:43.57 | CaT[tm] | they're talking behind your back. |
| 05:44.01 | Supaplex | @say hi Vasistha |
| 05:44.03 | boka | hehe |
| 05:44.04 | ravenbird | hi Vasistha |
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| 05:44.10 | hatter | Vasistha: lol, i have thought that before also |
| 05:44.15 | hatter | voyeurs |
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| 05:44.34 | hatter | or maybe bots to make #debian look busy ;) |
| 05:45.04 | Amarande | This is the largest channel I've ever been to on a regular basis. |
| 05:45.19 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 05:45.30 | Dewi | one day I'll be that bored |
| 05:45.41 | Vasistha | see if you can find someone who's been logged on continuously for two and a half years without speaking a word |
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| 05:46.55 | Vasistha | !debstats |
| 05:46.55 | dpkg | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 05:47.06 | Dewi | oh well there you go |
| 05:47.19 | rahul | su su sudio |
| 05:47.26 | Amarande | ok, time to go to bed before I headdesk in the process of falling asleep |
| 05:47.27 | Dewi | oh, it's only a 30 day period |
| 05:47.33 | Amarande | night, fellow debianites |
| 05:47.37 | Dewi | I was wondering why people I don't even know were at top of most active list |
| 05:47.51 | rahul | why am I blue on debstats? |
| 05:47.56 | christof | Someone know how copied all file beginning by 200704 in all the system in 1 folders? |
| 05:48.07 | Vasistha | ohhh, nooo, I'm in the top 10, I've got to stop using irc again. damn. |
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| 05:48.21 | Supaplex | christof: use find? |
| 05:48.50 | christof | Supaplex: I tried find /var/ -name "2007*" |cp .......?? wargs?? |
| 05:48.54 | christof | xargs?? |
| 05:49.04 | rahul | JordiGH seems to be sad at the moment: 3.5% lines contained sad faces. :( |
| 05:49.04 | rahul | dalias is also a sad person, crying 1.7% of the time. |
| 05:49.06 | rahul | hahaha |
| 05:49.08 | Dewi | "Poor Guerin, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 3 times. For example, like this: * Vasistha kicks Guerin in the pants " |
| 05:49.16 | Vasistha | christof: yeah, xargs, and probably xargs -0 at that, and don't forget cp --target-directory |
| 05:49.29 | Supaplex | and find -print0 |
| 05:49.39 | rahul | stoned talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 6 times! ... HEH |
| 05:49.40 | Vasistha | Dewi: hehe, he deserved that ... that was just the other day |
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| 05:49.41 | christof | Vasistha: ah this was the problem |
| 05:49.55 | hatter | hehe, guerin attracts those type of friends :) |
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| 05:51.15 | christof | Vasistha: ok resolved , the -t was missing :) thx |
| 05:51.19 | Supaplex | hehe I'm 49 on the debstats. :) |
| 05:51.41 | Dewi | unbelievable... I only made the top 100 in 2006 |
| 05:51.41 | Supaplex | christof: when in doubt, just use echo for xargs. |
| 05:51.44 | hatter | dma_map_sg is that related to scsi ? |
| 05:51.52 | rahul | hatter: yes |
| 05:51.58 | rahul | well, I guess |
| 05:52.07 | Dewi | obviously I need to be more spammy |
| 05:52.16 | Supaplex | sg = scsi generic |
| 05:52.20 | hatter | can i issue no_dma to a tape drive at boot ? |
| 05:52.56 | Supaplex | hatter: maybe. there's also hdparm and sgparm |
| 05:53.26 | hatter | dma is normally off by default isnt it ? |
| 05:53.31 | christof | Vasistha: Supaplex hehe I was checking this command on ma machine and it works , but I have to do that on a sun solaris lol , I m stupid and it doent work on solaris :'( no worry I m searching again |
| 05:53.36 | hatter | cant see that it would be enabled for the tape drive |
| 05:53.50 | Vasistha | christof: no --target-directory, or no -print0 and -0 ? |
| 05:53.55 | Supaplex | christof: find has -exec |
| 05:53.55 | rahul | haha |
| 05:54.05 | rahul | my sample quote from 2004 is "helix: I needed 2 stiff drinks and a smoke after it" |
| 05:54.06 | Supaplex | Vasistha: sun is very non gnu sometimes. :) |
| 05:54.34 | Vasistha | Supaplex: oh, I'm well aware... of course, he *is* asking in #debian |
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| 05:54.45 | Supaplex | true. |
| 05:55.07 | Supaplex | christof: so, you'll install debian on that sun box real soon now, right? =:-D |
| 05:55.18 | Vasistha | christof: if you want to speed it up, see if you've got the '+' option to find, so it makes only one call to 'mv' |
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| 05:56.05 | Supaplex | Vasistha: how so? |
| 05:56.09 | Supaplex | show us :) |
| 05:56.19 | hatter | ughhh |
| 05:56.25 | Vasistha | Supaplex: I've been chewed out enough by greycat in #bash that I'm firmly in the habit of asking, "are you using gnu coreutils?" |
| 05:56.25 | christof | Supaplex: arf I could |
| 05:56.32 | christof | Supaplex: If I could |
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| 05:56.55 | Supaplex | Vasistha: hehe I'm sure =) |
| 05:57.00 | UltraBread | what is better ubuntu or kubuntu |
| 05:57.07 | Supaplex | UltraBread: debian! |
| 05:57.13 | Guerin | UltraBread: beer |
| 05:57.14 | rahul | UltraBread: you are a tool. |
| 05:57.17 | Vasistha | UltraBread: why don't you ask #ubuntu ? |
| 05:57.19 | markybob | UltraBread: go away |
| 05:57.21 | christof | lol |
| 05:57.25 | rahul | PILE ON |
| 05:57.28 | Guerin | there's a fair sample of responses |
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| 05:57.38 | UltraBread | i can't they have me banned due to lots of question they had no asnwer for |
| 05:57.46 | markybob | UltraBread: we dont give a fuck |
| 05:57.51 | Guerin | UltraBread: welcome to Thin Ice |
| 05:57.57 | Supaplex | UltraBread: what's better? a ripoff of debian, or a ripoff of debian? you decide. |
| 05:58.01 | rahul | UltraBread: great, so you want us to ban you too for the same reason? |
| 05:58.02 | UltraBread | you guys seem cool |
| 05:58.04 | UltraBread | not! |
| 05:58.07 | Guerin | we are |
| 05:58.14 | Guerin | too cool for school |
| 05:58.24 | rahul | C.S.S. |
| 05:58.25 | Vasistha | Supaplex: man find lists '-exec command {} +' ... you can look it up there ... although I've never gotten it to work myself ... but I understand that some non-gnu systems support it |
| 05:58.36 | UltraBread | does anybody know here what is init 0 |
| 05:59.33 | rahul | UltraBread: man init. wtf. |
| 05:59.33 | Guerin | UltraBread: yes. |
| 05:59.33 | Vasistha | UltraBread: that depends. what version of debian are you using? |
| 05:59.34 | UltraBread | so what it does |
| 05:59.34 | UltraBread | none |
| 05:59.34 | Supaplex | Vasistha: ohhh cool. that works around the braindedn'ss xargs has sometimes. |
| 05:59.35 | hatter | geez. i cant figure it out. 2 different tape drives, kernel 2.6, both seem to be working fine, syslog fills up with ide_build_sglist [edi_core] |
| 05:59.35 | markybob | UltraBread: what part of the /topic in #debian being "debian" dont you understand? |
| 05:59.35 | Supaplex | UltraBread: run it and see. |
| 05:59.36 | UltraBread | i heard that debian likes ubuntu an vice versa |
| 05:59.41 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:59.44 | UltraBread | Supaplex: doesn't do anything |
| 05:59.47 | rahul | I heard that my ass is hot |
| 05:59.47 | Guerin | they meet and kiss behind the bike sheds |
| 05:59.50 | Supaplex | UltraBread: sudo init 0 |
| 06:00.01 | Guerin | rahul's ass is there too |
| 06:00.04 | Supaplex | If it don't do anything, your install is busticated by design. |
| 06:00.10 | rahul | getting kissed, no less |
| 06:00.21 | UltraBread | C:\Documents and Settings\ >sudo init 0 |
| 06:00.23 | UltraBread | 'sudo' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 06:00.23 | markybob | UltraBread: read the topic and move on |
| 06:00.24 | UltraBread | operable program or batch file. |
| 06:00.30 | markybob | fucking idiot |
| 06:00.31 | rahul | UltraBread: bye. |
| 06:00.39 | rahul | !penixstrike UltraBread |
| 06:00.39 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking UltraBread to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:00.40 | UltraBread | haha |
| 06:00.41 | Guerin | UltraBread: go play with the blender now |
| 06:00.45 | UltraBread | pwned |
| 06:00.52 | UltraBread | haha |
| 06:01.45 | baggend | Is debian-installer netboot SUPPOSED to be able to install a system straight to unstable, or does it always HAVE to do a Testing install first? |
| 06:01.47 | Vasistha | well, one doesn't have much difficulty accepting that he might have been banned from #ubuntu |
| 06:02.20 | Supaplex | UltraBread: echo "shutdown -s -t 01" > init.bat |
| 06:02.24 | Vasistha | baggend: I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure you've got to install testing first. And, there's probably a really good reason for that, too |
| 06:02.27 | Supaplex | UltraBread: now try running init. :-D |
| 06:02.34 | UltraBread | nope :D |
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| 06:02.40 | UltraBread | why givin' me one second? |
| 06:02.45 | rahul | baggend: if you're using unstable, you should understand how the installer does what it does... |
| 06:02.46 | Vasistha | Supaplex: you could recommend that he put it into his autoexec as well... |
| 06:02.55 | Supaplex | humm yeah. |
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| 06:03.18 | UltraBread | wow you guys cold write a win virus :D |
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| 06:03.29 | Supaplex | UltraBread: we have one. www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 06:03.33 | Vasistha | windows was made for viruses |
| 06:03.39 | Supaplex | windows *IS* one. |
| 06:03.40 | baggend | rahul: I understand it perfectly. And the unstable packages.gz does not have the necessary kernel module packages to allow installing straight to unstable through d-i. |
| 06:03.48 | UltraBread | windows has nice market share. |
| 06:03.59 | baggend | rahul: I'm just wondering if that's because someone CHOSE to do it that way, or if it's a bug that no one has bothered to fix yet. |
| 06:04.00 | christof | Vasistha: Supaplex ok command found find -type f -name "2007*" |xargs -i ksh -c "cp {} /directory" :) thx |
| 06:04.00 | Supaplex | so does fossil fuel. |
| 06:04.02 | rahul | baggend: huh? |
| 06:04.03 | markybob | UltraBread: get on topic before you get kicked out |
| 06:04.07 | UltraBread | 95% last time i checked |
| 06:04.17 | Supaplex | christof: ... -print0 | xargs -0 |
| 06:04.26 | UltraBread | i can't revne install debian on my computer |
| 06:04.27 | Vasistha | christof: that's rather absurd... why not use the -exec arg to find? |
| 06:04.29 | rahul | baggend: most packages will be built by the autobuilder... |
| 06:04.50 | Vasistha | christof: more like, find -type f -name '2007*' -exec cp {} /directory '+' |
| 06:05.00 | Vasistha | christof: erm, if solaris supports '+' that is :P |
| 06:05.05 | rahul | UltraBread: yes, we don't want the idiots like you using debian. it's intentional. |
| 06:05.10 | Supaplex | UltraBread: well, go to http://www.goodbye-windows.com and try again. |
| 06:05.21 | baggend | rahul: If you try doing a netboot install, and selecting "Unstable" as the distribution, there are no kernel modules available. Looking through Packages.gz for d-i under unstable, it's because there are no kernel modules for the kernel image supplied as part of netboot. |
| 06:05.22 | Supaplex | yeah, we have ubuntu for that. *grin* |
| 06:05.28 | UltraBread | rahul: nope it can't be isntalled on my machine. but windows can,... |
| 06:05.36 | baggend | (netboot under unstable, which is the ironic part) |
| 06:05.40 | Supaplex | UltraBread: buy why? |
| 06:05.48 | UltraBread | dmraid |
| 06:05.52 | Vasistha | UltraBread: could you take your off-topic banter somewhere else? |
| 06:06.01 | simonrvn | baggend: that's because no one is *meant* to |
| 06:06.07 | hatter | do any of you have an ide tape drive with linux ? |
| 06:06.25 | Vasistha | !anyone use tape drives |
| 06:06.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses tape drives, not even the people who use it. |
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| 06:06.39 | rahul | UltraBread: the fact that you would use dmraid shows just how much of an idiot you are. |
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| 06:06.49 | baggend | simonrvn: Why not though? Is there any good reason to now allow installing directly to unstable? |
| 06:07.00 | hatter | Vasistha: was that a comment about asking 'anyone' ? |
| 06:07.01 | UltraBread | rahul: you are idiot if you think i would delete my ntfs data jsut to use your might linux |
| 06:07.02 | rahul | UltraBread: dmraid is software raid that requires specific drivers. |
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| 06:07.12 | Vasistha | hatter: yeah ;) |
| 06:07.15 | simonrvn | because it's unstable, it's not even released. nor will it be |
| 06:07.15 | Vasistha | !anyone |
| 06:07.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 06:07.20 | UltraBread | rahul: is there installer support for dmraid or not |
| 06:07.22 | baggend | simonrvn: It seems to me that it would take more effort to make unstable NOT installable than the other way around. |
| 06:07.22 | rahul | UltraBread: I never asked you to use linux |
| 06:07.45 | Vasistha | baggend: the question is, who is going to make an install disc? |
| 06:07.45 | Supaplex | UltraBread: #debian-boot answers installer support questions (at their leisure) |
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| 06:07.48 | rahul | UltraBread: the makers of dmraid controllers don't want their customers using them under linux |
| 06:07.50 | hatter | Vasistha: yeah, i know, but i have 2 different model ide tape drives that fill up syslog, which may not be a bug but an annoyance |
| 06:07.53 | UltraBread | i cna use it jsut fine on great distros |
| 06:07.58 | SagaciousKJB | Hi, I'm having some problems getting nvida-settings to work correctly under Debian Etch, using a GeForce2 Mx400. http://sag.ghostnetwork.org/caps/ohboy/ohboy.jpg |
| 06:08.01 | UltraBread | redhat and suse |
| 06:08.17 | UltraBread | even rhel and enterprise suse |
| 06:08.19 | rahul | UltraBread: good. so go circlejerk with them and leave us alone. |
| 06:08.20 | simonrvn | okaaaay... |
| 06:08.21 | hatter | willl someone please kick UltraBread ? |
| 06:08.30 | UltraBread | ... |
| 06:08.31 | rahul | !ops UltraBread trolling |
| 06:08.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rahul complains about: UltraBread trolling |
| 06:08.36 | Vasistha | UltraBread: is there some compelling reason that you want to use debian? |
| 06:08.40 | baggend | Vasistha: To the best of my knowledge, the d-i builds are done automatically. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. |
| 06:08.43 | UltraBread | i like to try it |
| 06:08.50 | UltraBread | and running it on raid might make it run faster |
| 06:08.54 | rahul | UltraBread: we don't want you to try it |
| 06:08.56 | UltraBread | i tried all i could install |
| 06:08.57 | SagaciousKJB | I'm sure that the proper drivers are installed because I can edit my xorg.conf file manually to use nvida drivers, but nvidia-settings just won't work. |
| 06:09.17 | peterS | UltraBread: distinguishing between "great distros" and Debian is needlessly inflammatory. I suppose you didn't say it that way on purpose, but please try not to |
| 06:09.25 | rahul | UltraBread: debian has raid already. it doesn't need your demented software-supplied hardware-dependent nonsense |
| 06:09.30 | UltraBread | great distro=nice market share |
| 06:09.34 | UltraBread | or significant |
| 06:09.44 | dondelelcaro | UltraBread: market share and other distributions are not on topic here |
| 06:09.46 | rahul | UltraBread: ok, britney spears is great music |
| 06:09.52 | simonrvn | market share means fuck all |
| 06:10.04 | UltraBread | yes it means notihng when your market share sucks |
| 06:10.07 | rahul | UltraBread: go listen to it and keep saying how much bands like the beatles suck. |
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| 06:10.11 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@70-58-140-2.desm.qwest.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:10.11 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 06:10.29 | simonrvn | hey, earth to uUltraBread, debian is *not on the market* |
| 06:10.31 | matrix | somebody know about lvm? |
| 06:10.32 | Vasistha | thank you! |
| 06:10.35 | matrix | i have problem |
| 06:10.43 | Vasistha | !tell matrix -about ask |
| 06:10.52 | matrix | mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1/ |
| 06:10.52 | matrix | mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' |
| 06:11.06 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 06:11.14 | simonrvn | your fstab needs fixing |
| 06:11.30 | rahul | that shouldn't be using his fstab |
| 06:11.47 | rahul | he's trying to mount a member of the vg instead of the vg |
| 06:14.02 | rahul | er, instead of a slice of the vg |
| 06:14.02 | baggend | matrix: If you're trying to mount an LVM lv, you need to mount it from /dev/mapper, not the physical device. |
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| 06:14.02 | SagaciousKJB | So, is this channle the best place to get support, or could someone point me to where I can ask a bunch of n00b questions like "How does I get nvidia-settings to work?" |
| 06:14.03 | matrix | but the problem is i have that /dev/sdb1 in ext3 |
| 06:14.03 | matrix | i dont know why is lvm now |
| 06:14.03 | Vasistha | !tell SagaciousKJB -about nvidia |
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| 06:14.21 | baggend | matrix: It looks like you added /dev/sdb1 to your vg at some point. |
| 06:14.29 | Vasistha | matrix: maybe you should pastebin fdisk -l |
| 06:14.35 | matrix | ok |
| 06:14.42 | SagaciousKJB | Ahh, thank you very much Vasistha |
| 06:14.52 | Vasistha | SagaciousKJB: no problem -- good luck! |
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| 06:16.07 | SagaciousKJB | I will need it, I've had a terrible time getting this video card to work properly with the distrobutions I've tried so far. |
| 06:16.30 | hatter | lol, have you noticed how many websites a post to debian-user@lists.debian.org ? |
| 06:16.36 | Vasistha | SagaciousKJB: that's nvidia for ya. better than ati, but still a big pain. |
| 06:16.42 | hatter | omg, more than ten |
| 06:16.58 | hatter | i keep search for my problem and finding my post from a few weeks ago come up |
| 06:17.01 | CaT[tm] | grr |
| 06:17.08 | CaT[tm] | wtf wouldn't nat rules work? :/ |
| 06:17.16 | SagaciousKJB | Yeah, the shame of it is that all I'm attemping to do is to get TV-Out to work without problems. I |
| 06:18.34 | simonrvn | !test |
| 06:18.35 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:18.37 | matrix | Vasistha, http://paste.uni.cc/14966 |
| 06:18.56 | SagaciousKJB | The only problem is that while using the nivida drivers and Tv-Out, it makes my computer so unstable it's almost unbareable. Debian has been crashing more than Windows ever did for me because of it, and that's just not right. :( |
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| 06:19.55 | matrix | Vasistha, i have lot data in sdb1 now i dont see anything |
| 06:20.34 | Vasistha | matrix: well, surprise, surprise! It says /dev/sdb1 is Linux LVM. Man, that's a lotta hard drives you've got there. why don't you also pastebin your /etc/fstab |
| 06:20.53 | matrix | ok |
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| 06:21.50 | matrix | http://paste.uni.cc/14967 |
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| 06:22.00 | hatter | what happens when one drive dies in an LVM ? |
| 06:22.02 | matrix | Vasistha, http://paste.uni.cc/14967 |
| 06:22.05 | simonrvn | hehe he was ready for it :) |
| 06:22.13 | simonrvn | s/he* |
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| 06:23.42 | rahul | matrix: you typed e instead of 3 for the partition type code when you were partitioning |
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| 06:24.08 | matrix | how i can change ext3 to lvm? |
| 06:24.26 | pressureman | has anyone noticed any bugs with hardware timers not being detected with amd64, 2.6.18 or later? |
| 06:24.35 | pressureman | ie, if you're running amd64, does anyone see anything other than "jiffies" if they 'cat /sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/available_clocksource' ? |
| 06:25.17 | litage | what should one do if ``sudo apt-get -V build-dep php5'' fails with "E: Build-dependencies for php5 could not be satisfied" but gives no other information? |
| 06:25.37 | simonrvn | acpi_pm jiffies tsc pit -- but useless since this is an i686/32 box |
| 06:26.00 | pressureman | simonrvn, yeah it's not problem on i386 kernel (same hardware tho) |
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| 06:26.13 | pressureman | i get same as u, but hpet also |
| 06:26.21 | Vasistha | matrix: you say you've got data on that drive ... do you have any idea *when* it was made into lvm? Did you have a previous distro running on it? What version of debian are you using now? |
| 06:26.22 | pressureman | but under amd64 kernel, only jiffies |
| 06:26.45 | Guerin | ok |
| 06:26.53 | Guerin | what the fuck is a `jiffy' in this context? |
| 06:27.06 | pressureman | software timer |
| 06:27.24 | pressureman | if the kernel can't detect any usable hardware timers, it will fall back to jiffies |
| 06:27.46 | pressureman | which, depending on the kernel config, are 100, 250, 300 or 1000 Hz |
| 06:27.47 | Guerin | i have no such /proc file |
| 06:27.50 | Guerin | err, /sys file |
| 06:27.51 | matrix | i have lot data and i installed ubuntu today i previous used debian 4 |
| 06:27.59 | pressureman | you'll only see it on 2.6.18 or later |
| 06:28.18 | Guerin | ok, this is .16, since .18-20 have broken ext2/3 |
| 06:28.24 | Vasistha | so, your lvm was working with debian 4.0, and then you installed ubuntu, and now you can't access your data? |
| 06:28.33 | pressureman | i'm running vmware server on this amd64 box, and because there are no hardware timers available, i'm getting a constant stream of "rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz" |
| 06:28.44 | matrix | yeah |
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| 06:29.15 | matrix | Vasistha, i used debian i dont have problem with that i used ext3 |
| 06:29.17 | Vasistha | matrix: well, why don't you boot back into debian? If you don't want to do that -- then you'd better ask #ubuntu for help |
| 06:29.33 | pressureman | and i'm forced to run 2.6.19 or later because the box has a brand spanking 3ware PCIe controller |
| 06:29.34 | Guerin | pressureman: honestly, i'd blame vmware |
| 06:29.49 | pressureman | it's not vmware, it works perfectly on older kernels |
| 06:29.50 | matrix | how i can chance lvm to ext3? |
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| 06:30.01 | Vasistha | matrix: what you need to do is copy the relevant info from debian's /etc/fstab into ubuntu's /etc/fstab |
| 06:30.11 | Guerin | pressureman: but does it work on that kernel outside vmware? |
| 06:30.19 | Vasistha | matrix: although I'm not sure if that's all of it. I've never used lvm. Do you have any idea what lvm is |
| 06:30.19 | pressureman | this is not inside vmware |
| 06:30.24 | pressureman | i'm talking about the vmware host |
| 06:30.26 | Guerin | oh, it's the host |
| 06:30.37 | matrix | i never work with lvm |
| 06:30.39 | Guerin | that makes a big difference ;) |
| 06:30.51 | wols | matrix: reinstall/repartition |
| 06:31.07 | matrix | all my data will lose? |
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| 06:33.46 | markybob | pressureman: does /sbin/hwclock --show as a normal user work? |
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| 06:39.04 | ChrisW | hey all, how can I stop chkrootkit whining about /lib/init/rw/.ramfs? |
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| 06:41.08 | pressureman | markybob, hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=16: Device or resource busy |
| 06:41.49 | pressureman | to be fair, this is an ubuntu box, but the guys in #ubuntu aren't quite technical to help with this ;-) |
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| 06:42.42 | naught101 | would anyone here know what package provides the apache2.2 module "mod_authz_hosts"? |
| 06:42.49 | naught101 | just "apache2"? |
| 06:42.56 | pressureman | i noticed that in ubuntu 2.6.20, they turned off HPET rtc emulation, which i think is causing the errors about not being able to read /dev/rtc |
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| 06:46.03 | Gryflhase | I'm installing etch with the xfce-cd-1........ I 've partitioned the harddisc...... now I 've choosen "Install the base-system" and it loaded "harddiscs partitioning" again..... and it seems to hang (the indicator bar is about half filed) |
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| 06:46.24 | Gryflhase | is it formating now? |
| 06:46.46 | Vasistha | Gryflhase: may very well be ... that step can take a while, esp. if you have a large disc/partition |
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| 06:47.43 | Gryflhase | ok.... maybe the message should be changed to.... formating partitions :) |
| 06:48.11 | Vasistha | well, wait a second. Actually, ext2/3 formatting is *very* fast |
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| 06:50.24 | ben[tv] | i need help pls. what is libssl.so.6 in etch? |
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| 06:50.49 | ChloeD | hi ther |
| 06:50.50 | ChloeD | e |
| 06:50.57 | Gryflhase | maybe the fat32-partitions |
| 06:51.18 | wols | ben[tv]: it's a ssl library as the name says |
| 06:51.38 | Gryflhase | but they are not really big.... the whole harddisc has 12 Gbyte |
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| 06:52.18 | wols | pressureman: you are in the wrong channel |
| 06:52.54 | markybob | wols: that was 25 minutes ago :) |
| 06:53.05 | ben[tv] | wols, is it present in etch, coz some of my aps wont run, and i just have libssl.0.9.x, |
| 06:53.19 | Vasistha | Gryflhase: yeah ... on second thought, formatting really shouldn't take very long at all. linux doesn't go through and write zeros on the drive when formatting; it just writes a superblock, makes a couple copies, and says "okay, we're ready to go!" |
| 06:53.47 | wols | ben[tv]: look for yourserlv packages.debian.org |
| 06:53.55 | Gryflhase | okapi14, I'll try to reboot |
| 06:54.19 | Gryflhase | grrr.... i hate xchat for name completion..... |
| 06:54.26 | wols | markybob: it was ten minutes ago |
| 06:54.43 | Gryflhase | since when, does it namecompletion after a , ? |
| 06:55.22 | Peacimowen | ok,<tab> gave nick completion? |
| 06:56.23 | Gryflhase | must look what happend :) I thought, ok,<without tab> |
| 06:56.41 | Gryflhase | okapi14, its a test |
| 06:56.46 | Gryflhase | yes, it does so |
| 06:56.53 | Peacimowen | odd |
| 06:56.59 | Peacimowen | use irssi. |
| 06:57.33 | Peacimowen | It won't do that. |
| 06:57.33 | Gryflhase | "ok, test" -> "okapi14, test" |
| 06:58.03 | Gryflhase | maybe i'v aktivated somewhere a new feature, it does it not since ever |
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| 07:04.17 | turffy | hi guys can I use remotedesktop client in my debian to another debian or its just for accessing windoz? |
| 07:05.05 | markybob | turffy: it supports vnc, so you can do debian to debian |
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| 07:09.26 | turffy | markybob: do I have to install vnc on both? |
| 07:09.48 | markybob | turffy: you obviously need a vnc server running on what you want to connect to |
| 07:10.07 | turffy | ok, thanks |
| 07:10.19 | markybob | turffy: fyi, gnome has one built-in "system->preferences->remote desktop" |
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| 07:11.15 | turffy | yap, I have to install first vnc server in the remote pc so I could use this app ryt? |
| 07:12.17 | Vasistha | turffy: probably so, yeah. If what you want to do is view and interact with a running X-session, then vnc server is what you'll need. |
| 07:12.56 | turffy | thanks! |
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| 07:14.19 | pressureman | wols, if the ubuntu folk were into compiling kernels and not installing bling, i'd be there |
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| 07:14.45 | markybob | pressureman: did you get a chance to answer my rtc question? i got disconnected and didnt see a response |
| 07:14.49 | jzxu | best music player in linux? |
| 07:15.10 | pressureman | markybob, the box that's losing interrupts can't read the rtc |
| 07:15.13 | Vasistha | jzxu: that's highly subjective. I like mplayer command-line |
| 07:15.21 | pressureman | hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=16: Device or resource busy. |
| 07:15.23 | paakku | Debian bug 413911 complains that /usr/share/doc/elinks/examples/contrib/.gitignore exists. Why is this considered a bug? |
| 07:15.47 | pressureman | i wonder if the problem is to do with hpet rtc emulation |
| 07:15.55 | Vasistha | pressureman: uhm ... you're trying to get help with an ubuntu kernel in #debian ... see, ubuntu highly modifies their kernel, and we here in debian don't know the details of the ubuntu kernel. |
| 07:16.05 | Vasistha | pressureman: so, this really isn't an appropriate place to be asking. |
| 07:16.10 | pressureman | Vasistha, it also happens on debian kernels |
| 07:16.13 | pressureman | :P |
| 07:16.14 | markybob | pressureman: that would've been my next question. so you are using hpet rtc emu? |
| 07:16.16 | jzxu | Vasistha: i'd like at least some capability of creating and maintaining playlists |
| 07:16.41 | pressureman | markybob, no, ubuntu disable it.... >:( |
| 07:16.47 | Vasistha | jzxu: some people like amarok, some people like xmms ... there are others... |
| 07:16.54 | markybob | pressureman: you should keep an eye on the lkml. they're trying to figure out this very problem, it seems http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/5/1/63 |
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| 07:17.15 | pressureman | i think there are two parts to the problem... firstly that one particular box (the one that's losing interrupts) can't even read it's rtc |
| 07:17.49 | pressureman | and secondly, any amd64 kernel, ubuntu or debian, 2.6.18 or later, doesn't report the wide selection of clocksources that i386 kernels report on the same box |
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| 07:18.12 | hatter | when i cat /proc/ide/hdb/model it says using_dma (1), where can i disable this ? |
| 07:18.55 | Guerin | hatter: hdparm |
| 07:18.59 | jzxu | Vasistha: amarok looks pretty decent, thanks for the recommend. Xmms is still to minimalistic for me |
| 07:19.00 | pressureman | in i386, it uses TSC, but i don't think that applies in amd64 mode... |
| 07:19.21 | hatter | guerin: except the device is tape, /dev/hdb which hdparm doesnt see |
| 07:19.27 | Vasistha | jzxu: you're welcome ... enjoy! I may try amarok someday myself... |
| 07:19.48 | markybob | pressureman: i see tsc listed on my amd64 box |
| 07:20.21 | jzxu | ugh, but it's heavily tied to KDE, oh well |
| 07:20.22 | pressureman | markybob, what kernel ver? |
| 07:20.28 | markybob | pressureman: 2.6.21.1 |
| 07:20.34 | pressureman | amd64? |
| 07:20.37 | markybob | pressureman: yes |
| 07:20.44 | markybob | pressureman: care for my config? |
| 07:20.52 | pressureman | hmm, yes i've read quite a lot about some regressions in 2.6.21 |
| 07:21.00 | pressureman | yes please if you don't mind |
| 07:21.12 | markybob | pressureman: not like 2.6.20 was a picnic :) |
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| 07:21.33 | Guerin | hatter: you could try booting with acpi=off |
| 07:22.03 | pressureman | markybob, yeah i'm not so sure i want to run lots of vm guests on this box now... |
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| 07:23.07 | pressureman | we've had rock solid performance from 2.6.15, but it doesn't support the newer 3ware PCIe controllers |
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| 07:24.01 | pressureman | i'm installing etch on the box now, will check things out with stock 2.6.18 kernel, then grab 2.6.20 from unstable, and if hardware timers are still not detected, i'll grab 2.6.21 from kernel.org |
| 07:24.05 | christof | someone already configured mailing list with an ldap server? |
| 07:24.23 | pressureman | i'm basically trying to isolate whether it's an ubuntu issue, or an upstream issue |
| 07:24.31 | markybob | pressureman: are you familiar with using git bisect? it'd be helpful |
| 07:24.41 | pressureman | heard of it, but never used it |
| 07:24.56 | pressureman | i think i'll be learning how to tonight tho ;-) |
| 07:25.04 | markybob | pressureman: looking at the lkml, it's upstream...which is why i'm talking to you in the first place :) ubuntu help here really does frustrate me like everyone else, too |
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| 07:25.41 | markybob | pressureman: take a look at this tutorial http://www.reactivated.net/weblog/archives/2006/01/using-git-bisect-to-find-buggy-kernel-patches/ |
| 07:25.58 | pressureman | i think most ubuntu users are desktop users... whereas we use it more as a semi-commercially supported server distro |
| 07:26.27 | hatter | guerin: thx I will try it |
| 07:26.31 | pressureman | markybob, did u find this problem yourself prior to 2.6.21? |
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| 07:28.09 | markybob | pressureman: no. i'm trying to hunt out the offending patch right now |
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| 07:30.52 | pressureman | i'm just curious whether it truly is something that only rears its head on amd64 flavoured kernels |
| 07:31.03 | pressureman | and whether there is a good reason for that |
| 07:31.14 | wols | !they don't know |
| 07:31.15 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 07:31.21 | wols | pressureman: ^^ |
| 07:31.42 | pressureman | oh, give it a rest wols... this is affecting debian kernels too! |
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| 07:32.12 | pressureman | Linux foobar 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:32.57 | pressureman | i'm allowed to work with more than one distro at a time aren't i? it's not a religion (even tho some people seem to think it is) |
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| 07:33.32 | Guerin | pressureman: what kind of car do you drive? |
| 07:33.46 | pressureman | a 1976 ford pinto. yellow. what's it to ya? |
| 07:33.47 | wols | you are. you aren't allowed to ask for help with your ubuntu problems here tho |
| 07:34.14 | pressureman | wols, i think you'll find it's actually a ubuntu AND debian problem... |
| 07:34.16 | Guerin | pressureman: try taking it into the local mercedes-benz dealership for a service some time |
| 07:35.16 | pressureman | markybob, only jiffies available on stock etch kernel, 2.6.18 |
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| 07:35.55 | markybob | pressureman: you should see if my config helps the situation, then. |
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| 07:37.15 | pressureman | i'll just try 2.6.20 first, but i have a feeling i'll need to give 2.6.21 a go |
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| 07:38.25 | pressureman | it's curious that they managed to completely bollocks this up on amd64, yet it works fine on i386 |
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| 07:38.58 | pressureman | i'd even consider running the i386 kernel, but the box has got 16GB ram, so i'd prefer to run 64 bit |
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| 07:39.38 | earthian | hello |
| 07:39.42 | earthian | i have this problem: |
| 07:39.44 | markybob | pressureman: yeah, it's a bitch. |
| 07:39.47 | earthian | fostral:/home/earthian# ipmasq |
| 07:39.47 | earthian | IP Masquerade has not been enabled in the kernel. |
| 07:39.57 | Guerin | earthian: use a debian kernel |
| 07:39.58 | earthian | is there any way to fix it without recompiling the kernel? |
| 07:40.05 | jeremyb | sounds straightforward to me |
| 07:40.15 | Guerin | earthian: no. Whoever compiled it is retarded. |
| 07:40.27 | earthian | Guerin, debian kernel does not support 4 gb or more ram |
| 07:40.34 | Guerin | earthian: yes it fucking does. |
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| 07:40.48 | earthian | i had it. |
| 07:42.52 | karsten | earthian: I guess 128 is less than 4 then. |
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| 07:43.54 | earthian | i have not used the bigmem kernel tho... |
| 07:44.11 | karsten | earthian: In 32bit you'll need to. 64 bit I believe it's native. |
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| 07:44.32 | earthian | karsten, 64bit kernel has problems with my gfx drivers |
| 07:44.35 | karsten | earthian: Mind: *Linux* supports well over 4 GB RAM. A given kernel may or may not depending on build options. |
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| 07:44.42 | karsten | earthian: nvidia? |
| 07:44.46 | earthian | yes |
| 07:44.50 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 07:44.50 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 07:44.54 | karsten | earthian: Sucks to be you. |
| 07:44.57 | earthian | 8800 gtx |
| 07:45.05 | earthian | so its www.nvidia.com |
| 07:45.05 | pressureman | markybob, 2.6.20 also suffered problem. compiling 2.6.21.1 now. |
| 07:45.12 | xand | wait... why not use the -bigmem kernel? |
| 07:45.17 | markybob | pressureman: blah :/ |
| 07:45.19 | karsten | earthian: Don't buy crap no-specs HW. |
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| 07:46.02 | markybob | pressureman: mighty fast compile, btw. what's the cpu specs? |
| 07:46.18 | pressureman | considering it's been an issue since 2.6.18, it amazes me that U***** released F***** F*** |
| 07:46.29 | pressureman | P4 3GHz |
| 07:46.35 | pressureman | pentium D |
| 07:46.51 | pressureman | the previous kernels weren't compiles... but have 10 meg fibre internet here |
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| 07:47.47 | pressureman | the real box that i'm trying to sort this on is a quad xeon dual-core with 16gb and about 1.5TB array |
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| 07:48.22 | pressureman | but right now it's bonnie++ disk benchmarks look worse than a 2.6GHz celeron with single SATA disk |
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| 07:51.00 | thomas_22 | hi |
| 07:51.17 | thomas_22 | how can i tell dpkg-buildpackage to compile with cflag -O3? |
| 07:51.47 | cafuego | set export CFLAGS |
| 07:51.48 | peterS | thomas_22: edit debian/rules and look for where the optimisation flag is set, then leave it alone because the package maintainer probably knows more about the best setting than you do |
| 07:52.01 | Guerin | !gentoosmite thomas_22 |
| 07:52.04 | cafuego | then ./configure ought to pick it up when run by debian/rules |
| 07:52.25 | cafuego | thomas_22: You better not be building libc6, btw. |
| 07:52.36 | pressureman | lol |
| 07:52.54 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.56 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:53.04 | pressureman | what's wrong with a little 'make world' once in a while |
| 07:53.06 | L|NUX | can some one tell me is there any to use scp in that way if there was any issue it will start again from where it was break ? |
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| 07:53.26 | cafuego | pressureman: Nothing, as long as you leave it running for 6 days |
| 07:53.46 | cafuego | pressureman: *and* you don't add crashy optimiser flags to critical libraries |
| 07:53.50 | peterS | pressureman: you need to capitalise World |
| 07:54.14 | markybob | L|NUX: it doesnt do that. if you want that, you should be using rsync. |
| 07:54.21 | cafuego | "And On The Sixth Day, God Compiled Userspace" |
| 07:54.26 | pressureman | peterS, i haven't touched fbsd for about 4 years... |
| 07:54.36 | L|NUX | markybob : okay |
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| 07:55.02 | pressureman | not since i got tired of ATA errors on perfectly hardware |
| 07:55.04 | cafuego | L|NUX: rsync over ssh, perhaps :-) |
| 07:55.05 | peterS | L|NUX: markybob has a point - rsync over ssh is really just as good as scp, and it "resumes" automatically, in a safe manner |
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| 07:55.31 | Gryflhase | nono.... on the 6th day he started the mcp |
| 07:55.40 | Gryflhase | (matrix-controll-programm) :) |
| 07:55.47 | L|NUX | peterS : okay |
| 07:55.49 | L|NUX | thanks every one |
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| 07:56.13 | cafuego | everyone knows bad movies are created by satan |
| 07:56.21 | encrypt | how do i block user X to bind some port using iptables? |
| 07:56.42 | cafuego | encrypt: uid matching |
| 07:56.56 | encrypt | sorry i dont want to look like lazy but how the rule would be like? |
| 07:57.00 | cafuego | iptables -m UID --uid <uid> |
| 07:57.03 | cafuego | I think |
| 07:57.11 | jeremyb | any other ways to block / restrict binding? |
| 07:57.13 | encrypt | but what about the bind thing? |
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| 07:57.48 | cafuego | Hmmm |
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| 07:58.01 | cafuego | or is it owner |
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| 07:58.13 | cafuego | looks like your googling after all |
| 07:58.16 | ribasushi | hi |
| 07:58.22 | encrypt | im trying |
| 07:58.22 | encrypt | ty |
| 07:58.25 | cafuego | Coz I won't be doing it for you |
| 07:58.34 | encrypt | i just want to understand |
| 07:58.35 | ribasushi | I have a question regarding exim and #exim is mostly dead |
| 07:58.38 | encrypt | how to handle the bind thing |
| 07:58.38 | cafuego | encrypt: "iptables owner match" |
| 07:58.46 | ribasushi | I need to route messages from exim to another smtp running on the same host |
| 07:58.52 | cafuego | encrypt: the bind() call is irrelevant |
| 07:58.52 | ribasushi | my router says: R=send_to_smart_host defer (-1): remote host address is the local host |
| 07:58.55 | pressureman | markybob, this looks susipicously familiar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/102383 |
| 07:58.56 | ribasushi | how can I disable this check? |
| 07:59.10 | encrypt | gonna research, ty |
| 07:59.10 | cafuego | encrypt: just block cpaks froma specific user on a specific source port |
| 07:59.12 | ribasushi | the router is driver = manualroute \ route_list = * localhost::10026 |
| 07:59.21 | cafuego | s/cpaks/packets/ |
| 07:59.32 | jeremyb | what restricts a typical unix user from binding to < 1024? |
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| 07:59.38 | markybob | pressureman: with an intel processor...that's unexpected on this end |
| 07:59.52 | ribasushi | jeremyb: the kernel |
| 08:00.32 | jeremyb | k |
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| 08:00.50 | cafuego | jeremyb: Ie: if their uid is not 0 they can't bind. |
| 08:00.58 | markybob | pressureman: says it got fixed upstream, though. so you should have no problem with 2.6.21.1 if that's your problem |
| 08:01.03 | pressureman | markybob, it'll be interesting to rerun my bonnie++ benchmarks again on the various kernels |
| 08:01.11 | bony | what are the tools through which i could access my webcam apart from ekiga? |
| 08:01.12 | ribasushi | jeremyb: this is by design, what better explanation do you need? |
| 08:01.16 | peterS | jeremyb: specifically you need the CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE capability flag in your process, or the kernel will refuse to allow you to bind < 1024. this flag is set for the root user, normally not set for other users |
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| 08:01.30 | pressureman | the new box with eight cores and PCIe raid should scream, but it's more like a whimper |
| 08:01.32 | jeremyb | ribasushi: i'm not asking why it's done. i was asking how |
| 08:01.53 | bony | when i gave the command cat /dev/video0 i could see some garbage value being printed and when i move the webcam the pattern changes |
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| 08:02.02 | pressureman | i'm not exactly filled with confidence in 2.6.20 now... |
| 08:02.03 | cafuego | pressureman: If it's hardware raid, the number of cores handly matters |
| 08:02.30 | Skaag | I'm trying to use socat to redirect dns queries from one server to another, here is the line I use: socat UDP4-LISTEN:53,reuseaddr,fork UDP4:209.190.19.26:53 |
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| 08:02.41 | Skaag | but i'm getting these: 2007/05/01 11:02:21 socat[4974] E read(3, 0x80bdb30, 8192): Connection refused |
| 08:02.43 | pressureman | cafuego, yes it's hardware raid, but it means i can tweak the smp affinity and devote a single cpu to raid io etc |
| 08:02.51 | cafuego | Skaag: Why not use iptables DNAT ? |
| 08:02.59 | bony | now i need to test the webcam and see weather it really captures some images or not. and i couldn't do it cause i don't know the tools |
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| 08:03.17 | Skaag | cafuego: the second server is in another subnet completely |
| 08:03.17 | cafuego | pressureman: Which is the same as disabling 7 of the cores ;-) |
| 08:03.20 | Skaag | (not on the same box) |
| 08:03.23 | cafuego | Skaag: so? |
| 08:03.43 | Skaag | can you whip up a recipe for something like that? my iptables skills are rusty at best :-( |
| 08:03.47 | pressureman | cafuego, no i mean dedicate a proc raid io, a _different_ proc to net io, and so on... |
| 08:03.49 | Skaag | been a while |
| 08:04.00 | cafuego | Skaag: There's a nice example in /usr/share/doc/iptables/html |
| 08:04.09 | Skaag | thanks will look at it |
| 08:04.18 | cafuego | pressureman: Does this box do nfs perchance? |
| 08:04.23 | pressureman | nope |
| 08:04.27 | cafuego | good |
| 08:04.51 | pressureman | it's a vmware server |
| 08:04.59 | pressureman | so each core will be pretty busy |
| 08:05.09 | cafuego | meh |
| 08:05.16 | pressureman | vmware balances the load fairly nicely across the available procs |
| 08:05.18 | cafuego | more likely to run out of ram than cores |
| 08:05.41 | pressureman | 16gb is enough for what that box has to do |
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| 08:05.58 | markybob | 16gb sure would be nice |
| 08:06.16 | pressureman | the server makes a nice space heater too |
| 08:06.28 | cafuego | But how would I for 2x8GB of PC133 SDRAM in this box? <heh> |
| 08:06.32 | cafuego | fit |
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| 08:07.21 | cafuego | which reminds me, I need to go and have a chat with a client and go on-site to upgrade their sarge box to etch. (so I can play with Xen on it) |
| 08:07.52 | pressureman | onsite upgrades are for wimps ;-) |
| 08:10.05 | cafuego | I know, that's why i just remotely reflashed an adsl modem :-) |
| 08:10.29 | cafuego | and voila, up. |
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| 08:10.41 | tomaw | 118 |
| 08:10.43 | tomaw | err |
| 08:11.29 | pressureman | i remember the good old days of rebooting netware servers remotely... they didn't actually have a reboot command, so you had to "remove dos" which unloaded command.com, then "down" the server - it detected it had no dos in memory, and rebooted at that point |
| 08:12.16 | cafuego | the sysadmin HATED us |
| 08:12.20 | cafuego | (ping -s did the trick nicely ;-) |
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| 08:12.44 | hatter | can i disable dma for one ide channel only with udev ? |
| 08:12.45 | pressureman | have you ever seen an entire classroom of bsod'ed win98 boxes? my favourite colour... |
| 08:13.32 | cafuego | when i was at high school there was no windows, and uni used wfw3.11 |
| 08:13.47 | holycow | pressureman, lol, thats positively perverse |
| 08:14.38 | pressureman | holycow, there used to be a script kiddy tool called targa, i think, which could teardrop/winnuke/nestea etc entire subnets at a time... great for campus networks |
| 08:14.54 | holycow | heh |
| 08:14.58 | valdyn | hatter: why would you do that? |
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| 08:17.05 | hatter | valdyn: ide tape on one of the channels |
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| 08:17.41 | valdyn | hatter: what does that have to do with anything? |
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| 08:18.16 | cafuego | valdyn: hatter has a tape drive that when in use generated a LOT of kernel BUG: in relation to scsi generic dma errors. |
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| 08:18.36 | valdyn | uh |
| 08:18.39 | hatter | AND ITS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!! |
| 08:18.53 | valdyn | hatter: did you try hdparm? |
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| 08:19.06 | cafuego | valdyn: It was my suggestion to boot up with ide dma disabled to check if that made matters any better. |
| 08:19.25 | Alarm | goodmorning, is there an application in the debians repo that i can open *.djv files (dejavu) |
| 08:19.33 | DavidProck1981 | hay one know the link that u paste your lspci into to see if all your hard ware will work,, its for a friend, trint to introduce him to debian etch |
| 08:19.58 | markybob | DavidProck1981: google kmuto hcl |
| 08:20.17 | valdyn | Alarm: yes |
| 08:20.25 | Alarm | named ? |
| 08:20.31 | DavidProck1981 | what does kmuto stand for (to heklp me rember) |
| 08:20.36 | valdyn | Alarm: apt-cache search djv |
| 08:20.44 | hatter | valdyn: hdparm wont work with /dev/ht0 |
| 08:20.56 | markybob | DavidProck1981: how about you google it and see? |
| 08:20.58 | hatter | ide-tape remaps /dev/hdb to /dev/ht0 |
| 08:21.05 | Alarm | true i was so stupid to search as "deja" |
| 08:21.07 | Alarm | thank you |
| 08:21.07 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 08:21.19 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: its a name |
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| 08:21.29 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 08:21.29 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 08:21.42 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 08:21.42 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 08:22.00 | DavidProck1981 | for etch 4.0 too? |
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| 08:22.24 | hatter | however when i disable dma in grub cat /proc/ide/hdb/settings shows its still enabled... |
| 08:22.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 08:23.07 | HardDisk_WP | where do I find the documentation for kernel modules? |
| 08:23.16 | hatter | which means i must be disable dma wrongly |
| 08:23.46 | pressureman | woohoo, nearly finished compiling |
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| 08:24.08 | pressureman | linking is my 2nd favourite part, next to packagin |
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| 08:25.10 | valdyn | hatter: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 08:25.52 | hatter | valdyn: root=/dev/md1 ro acpi=off ide=nodma |
| 08:26.09 | Salah | still there is no public key available ? |
| 08:26.12 | hatter | thats nifty i didnt know that one |
| 08:26.22 | Salah | still there is no public key available ? |
| 08:26.54 | hatter | valdyn: however, hdparm on /dev/hda says dma is enabled |
| 08:27.04 | Salah | what can i do to avoid THIS ? |
| 08:27.04 | markybob | Salah: maybe you read the topic instead of repeating yourself |
| 08:28.10 | pressureman | markybob, this looks interesting http://www.vmware.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=608039 (search for HPET on that page... it gets slammed by petr) |
| 08:28.21 | Salah | I GET SHOCKED AFTER DOWNLOADING THE 25 CD MAN |
| 08:28.37 | markybob | pressureman: yeah. i've tried with disabling hpet and i still lock up |
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| 08:29.34 | wols | hatter: why do you want to disable it? |
| 08:29.35 | Salah | cds* |
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| 08:29.39 | cafuego | beautiful! |
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| 08:31.09 | Salah | i want to switch to debian which version stable and it has a public key available ? |
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| 08:31.59 | streuner_ | !d-i Salah |
| 08:31.59 | dpkg | Salah, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:32.09 | valdyn | hatter: which tape drive is this? |
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| 08:32.23 | streuner_ | Salah: /topic |
| 08:32.27 | wols | streuner_: Etch |
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| 08:32.32 | streuner_ | wols: heh |
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| 08:32.47 | streuner_ | Salah: ^^^ |
| 08:33.34 | holycow | pressureman, thanks for the vmware post, that is REALLY interesting |
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| 08:33.45 | Salah | i installed it already |
| 08:33.54 | pressureman | you're welcome |
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| 08:34.11 | wols | streuner_: then learn to read the topic |
| 08:34.24 | Salah | lol |
| 08:34.42 | wols | !tell salah about no public key |
| 08:34.50 | streuner_ | wols: learn to use you nick-completition! :-) |
| 08:34.54 | hatter | valdyn: there are two, both machines are etch, one is a seagate STT20000A, the other is a sony SDX-420C, the errors are about ten lines long about ten per second, starting with : kernel: BUG: warning t include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sg() |
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| 08:35.08 | wols | streuner_: some things are just impopssible |
| 08:35.29 | streuner | yes, some people won't learn :-) |
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| 08:35.53 | wols | kinda hard to balance alzheimsers and #debian you know? |
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| 08:36.11 | wols | -s |
| 08:36.22 | Doat | alz- what was it again? |
| 08:36.30 | streuner | hehe |
| 08:36.31 | cafuego | alzememeimers |
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| 08:36.44 | Doat | alzmesmerizererser's? |
| 08:37.46 | mojojojo_ | is there a tool for reminding me of the events (like doing exercise and so on)? |
| 08:37.49 | mojojojo_ | for gnome |
| 08:38.08 | Salah | guys who is dpkg user ? |
| 08:38.11 | pressureman | now that i've actually made an initrd (d'oh) for 2.6.21... wait for it ladies and germs |
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| 08:38.41 | streuner | mojojojo_: kalarm? ;-) |
| 08:38.44 | russo | hey is kde4 on debian yet? |
| 08:39.00 | pressureman | woohoo! tsc acpi_pm jiffies |
| 08:39.00 | streuner | !info konqueror unstable |
| 08:39.06 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.6.dfsg.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1975 kB, Installed size: 5304 kB |
| 08:39.15 | russo | ok thats what i wanted to know |
| 08:39.23 | mojojojo_ | streuner: erm, I something which doesn't require QT to install? |
| 08:39.31 | mojojojo_ | and=I* |
| 08:39.32 | streuner | russo: you might have more luck in #debian-kde |
| 08:39.33 | holycow | pressureman, btw, that sounds strangely LIKE the current issue in ubuntu where something polls the ide interface and crashes it |
| 08:39.33 | pressureman | i could probably even get an hpet in there if i enabled it in the bios, but somehow i don't feel like doing that anymore |
| 08:39.34 | russo | so version 4:blah means its kde4 right? |
| 08:39.37 | hatter | wols: did that answer why i was trying dma disabled ? |
| 08:39.43 | russo | ok thanks streuner |
| 08:39.45 | holycow | i have the exact same issues on my laptop without vmware |
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| 08:39.51 | valdyn | hatter: google tells to use ide-scsi |
| 08:39.56 | valdyn | hatter: tried that? |
| 08:40.01 | streuner | mojojojo_: well, kalarm is a really nifty app. |
| 08:40.08 | pressureman | holycow, i never noticed before just how _extremely_ patched the ubuntu kernel is |
| 08:40.08 | hatter | valdyn: yes but 2.6 doesnt have ide-scsi anymore |
| 08:40.11 | valdyn | hatter: ( for a 2.6.18 kernel! |
| 08:40.15 | valdyn | hatter: it does |
| 08:40.25 | hatter | couldnt findit in modconf ? |
| 08:40.30 | hark | russo: no, it doesn't |
| 08:40.35 | valdyn | hatter: its unmaintained and broken for burning cdroms, but it does |
| 08:40.38 | holycow | pressureman, gotta have it for all the goodies newbs demand |
| 08:40.40 | pressureman | not too concerning on a desktop, since you often want all those nasty tainting patches... but there's no need on a server |
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| 08:40.58 | valdyn | hatter: can you read german? |
| 08:40.59 | pressureman | this is why i still prefer debian for servers |
| 08:41.06 | hatter | valdyn: :( no |
| 08:41.10 | holycow | i only use debian for servers too |
| 08:41.10 | russo | i can read german :P |
| 08:41.18 | holycow | and frankly it won't be long before i use debian on desktop too |
| 08:41.25 | valdyn | hatter: ok, no point posting the URL the, use ide-scsi anyway |
| 08:41.32 | holycow | i'm tired of gnome, can't wait to see some progress in kde |
| 08:41.54 | hatter | valdyn: can you see it in modconf ? can i just modprobe it ? |
| 08:42.14 | valdyn | hatter: you cant just modprobe it as it would conflict with the ide-tape driver |
| 08:42.43 | valdyn | hatter: http://sony.storagesupport.com/cgi-bin/sonysupport.cgi/fYj-tC=UL8Ev=QHf=DPZXE=HZha-UeQ7/faq/view/970 |
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| 08:42.49 | hatter | valdyn: yes but i can remove it first, the sony website says what to do , but then i thought ide-scsi wasnt in 2.6 anymore |
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| 08:43.17 | valdyn | hatter: german guy did this, on debian, with a 2.6.18 kernel, so i guess it works |
| 08:43.32 | hatter | valdyn: ok thx, i will try now |
| 08:43.45 | valdyn | hatter: use modprobe -r instead of rmmod if possible |
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| 08:44.25 | hatter | valdyn: when i tried this earlier, FATAL: Module ide_scsi not found |
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| 08:44.43 | valdyn | hatter: it is possible that debian now removed that module |
| 08:44.58 | valdyn | hatter: but that would be a debian issue i suppose, not a general kernel thing |
| 08:45.19 | jetscreamer | is that 2.6.20? |
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| 08:46.02 | valdyn | hatter: oh you're not on 2.6.18 or older? |
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| 08:46.18 | hatter | valdyn: 2.6.18 |
| 08:46.31 | valdyn | btw, does the new libata drivers support tape drives too? |
| 08:46.35 | hatter | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 08:47.15 | valdyn | hatter: and ide-scsi doesnt exist? |
| 08:47.19 | valdyn | !find ide-scsi.ko |
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| 08:47.54 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ide-scsi.ko' returned no results. |
| 08:48.00 | Salah | guys how to install xmms ? |
| 08:48.08 | Salah | by apt-get ? |
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| 08:48.20 | hatter | just did a search on 2 etch boxes |
| 08:48.22 | hatter | no go |
| 08:48.23 | valdyn | Salah: sure |
| 08:48.36 | valdyn | !find ide-scsi.ko sarge |
| 08:48.37 | Salah | yup |
| 08:48.39 | Salah | loool |
| 08:49.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ide-scsi.ko' (3 of 10): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/scsi/ide-scsi.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/drivers/scsi/ide-scsi.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/scsi/ide-scsi.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386. |
| 08:49.23 | Alarm | hello, when i try to install the flash plugin on my icewiesel browser automatically , it tells me that it failed and i should install it manually, is that a know issue or i do something wrong |
| 08:49.26 | hark | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI is not set |
| 08:49.42 | Salah | why apt-get dosent support alot of pkg like yum in fedora |
| 08:49.58 | Salah | ???? |
| 08:50.01 | hark | Alarm: install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 08:50.13 | Alarm | okie :) thanks |
| 08:50.17 | valdyn | hatter: you could compile your own kernel, or use an older kernel, or try libata ( which i have no info at all about yet concerning tape drives ) |
| 08:50.20 | wols | !tell salah about grounding |
| 08:50.29 | wols | apt-get install xmms |
| 08:50.56 | wols | Salah: you really need to configure your sources.list properly |
| 08:51.03 | Alarm | and one more question. is there any command like "sudo" so that i wont have to open a new session as root to make one line tasks with root privileges ? |
| 08:51.17 | valdyn | Salah: debian has alot more packages available than any yum |
| 08:51.23 | valdyn | Salah: what are you not finding? |
| 08:51.34 | hark | Alarm: sudo |
| 08:51.49 | Alarm | i get command not found |
| 08:51.52 | wols | valdyn: he downlaoded all 25 CDs and probably has only CD1 in his sources list and no repo in the internet |
| 08:51.57 | Alarm | or is that a package that i need to install ? |
| 08:52.01 | valdyn | Alarm: install it |
| 08:52.01 | wols | Alarm: apt-get sudo |
| 08:52.14 | Alarm | oh ok :) didnt know that , thought its a systems command |
| 08:52.22 | Alarm | sorry, i am learning :) |
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| 08:52.34 | valdyn | Alarm: debian works fine w/o sudo |
| 08:52.39 | Salah | xmms |
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| 08:52.45 | Salah | vlc |
| 08:52.50 | wols | Salah: fix your sources.list |
| 08:52.50 | hark | oh fun.. apt-cdrom'ing all 25 cds ;) |
| 08:52.52 | valdyn | Alarm: so its not a 'system' command or in debian terms an essential package |
| 08:52.53 | Salah | mplyer |
| 08:53.06 | Alarm | yes got it , i installed it allready |
| 08:53.12 | wols | Salah: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 08:53.20 | valdyn | Alarm: you have to configure it too |
| 08:53.24 | valdyn | !sudo |
| 08:53.24 | dpkg | [sudo] (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 08:53.25 | Salah | ok |
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| 08:53.46 | Alarm | configure ? i will check for it |
| 08:53.55 | Salah | what is the pest mirror for sources list ? |
| 08:54.03 | Salah | best * |
| 08:54.05 | wols | !best |
| 08:54.06 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 08:54.07 | valdyn | !mirror |
| 08:54.07 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 08:54.08 | wols | there is no best |
| 08:54.24 | valdyn | Salah: best in this case is relative to your location and isp |
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| 08:54.42 | ribasushi | hi |
| 08:54.44 | Salah | ok |
| 08:54.49 | Salah | brb |
| 08:54.59 | Salah | i got it |
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| 08:55.39 | hatter | valdyn: the strange thing about it is, it appears that both tapes are working fine, but the errors are making gig sizes out of the logs |
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| 08:57.42 | hark | !tape backup |
| 08:57.43 | dpkg | somebody said tape backup was "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" -- Linus Torvalds |
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| 08:58.52 | Alarm | ok valdyn configured it, thank you |
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| 08:59.35 | hatter | hark: hehe, right, wisdom from above (looks up) |
| 08:59.43 | HardDisk_WP | what kernel module is sesponsible for handling the ttyS0/1/2/3 devices? |
| 09:00.09 | wols | can be different ones depending on the type of your serial ports |
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| 09:03.13 | HardDisk_WP | wols, 16550A chip |
| 09:03.41 | HardDisk_WP | and some compaq telephony modem.. |
| 09:04.04 | HardDisk_WP | on my laptop the IRQs and I/O ports for serial and parallel ports are really mixed. |
| 09:05.06 | peterS | HardDisk_WP: debian kernels have the 16550A serial driver built in. (the module is named "8250" since the 16550 is a descendent of the 8250 serial chip) |
| 09:05.31 | HardDisk_WP | okay |
| 09:05.47 | HardDisk_WP | where can I configure it's IRQ/I-O settings? |
| 09:06.00 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 09:06.00 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 09:06.41 | peterS | HardDisk_WP: normally this is autodetected from your plug-n-play BIOS. does the 'dmesg' command tell you anything about them? |
| 09:07.14 | HardDisk_WP | peterS, yep, ttyS2 LSR safety check engaged, S0 and S1 swapped their I/O and IRQ |
| 09:07.23 | HardDisk_WP | and S3 is not even mentioned anywhere |
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| 09:07.56 | Guerin | pnpdump |
| 09:08.04 | peterS | well, the 'setserial' package may be what you want, though again, this normally is not needed |
| 09:08.20 | peterS | well, pnpdump is for isapnp, not BIOS pnp. the two are distinct. |
| 09:08.46 | peterS | motherboard stuff like serial ports is reported by the bios, but usually not by isapnp |
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| 09:09.05 | HardDisk_WP | the BIOS reports a lot of stuff wrong on my laptop |
| 09:09.10 | HardDisk_WP | thats the problem |
| 09:09.35 | HardDisk_WP | according to setserial ttyS3 is assigned to IRQ 3, but this is already in use by S0.. |
| 09:11.12 | maddash | just for fun, I issued a `ps aux`. then I discovered two disturbing things. first of all I have two duplicate X server processes, except one is using 0% cpu and the other isn't. second of all, "/usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session sh /home/bryant/.xsession", even though I've never used ssh-agent. These peculiarities persist across reboots. so, a) how do I permanently kill off ssh-agent and the cloned X11, and b) could this mea |
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| 09:11.46 | peterS | HardDisk_WP: you might try booting with the kernel parameter 8250.share_irqs=0 - I'm guessing here, based on reading the source, I haven't tried that |
| 09:12.22 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 09:12.33 | peterS | maddash: ssh-agent is launched from xinit, so if you define your own X session (~/.xsession) you can avoid it |
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| 09:13.34 | peterS | maddash: or ... see /etc/X11/Xsession.options |
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| 09:15.51 | maddash | peterS: is that it? |
| 09:16.06 | peterS | maddash: did you read that file? |
| 09:16.56 | peterS | maddash: I'm guessing you did not, because if you had, you would have seen a comment about a manpage you can view for more information in case the file doesn't already answer your question |
| 09:17.20 | hatter | is there an easy way to find which menu to look for in menuconfig when you want to add something to the kernel ? |
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| 09:17.31 | hatter | ie CONFIG_BLK_IDESCSI loking through menus... |
| 09:17.41 | peterS | hatter: wtf, why would you want IDESCSI? |
| 09:18.16 | hatter | Hi PeterS. welcome. |
| 09:19.09 | markybob | well...if you dont know how to find it easily...you probably shouldnt be compiling your own kernel... |
| 09:19.09 | maddash | peterS: I've disabled "allow-ssh-agent," but I also recall attempting passwordless logins into my sshd. and I just realized that this involved issuing a few ssh-agent commands (ie, I had to tell ssh-agent to launch X). so shouldn't I also let ssh-agent know about my disabling the `allow-ssh-agent` flag? |
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| 09:19.09 | peterS | hatter: anyway, you can search the kernel source tree for mentions of that option in Kconfig files, that's what I do. the other thing I do is have enough experience configuring kernels to have a good idea where to look. that experience took time to acquire, to be sure |
| 09:19.09 | maddash | hatter: are you using make menuconfig? |
| 09:19.09 | maddash | hatter: press "/" |
| 09:19.20 | peterS | hatter: but really, in this day and age, I'm really curious why you want CONFIG_BLK_IDESCSI |
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| 09:19.45 | hatter | PeterS: I have a few ide tape drives that are filling up syslog when being accessed |
| 09:19.55 | naught101 | does an apache module need to be called from apache2.conf, or does the load file just have to be in mods-enabled in debian? |
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| 09:20.01 | hatter | two completelty different tape drives, on etch |
| 09:20.15 | hatter | that are filling up syslong with this : |
| 09:20.43 | peterS | naught101: each .load file in mods-enabled is considered part of apache2.conf (via an Include mechanism), so you don't need anything separate from that |
| 09:21.01 | hatter | BUG: warning at include/asm/dma-mapping.h:47/dma_map_sg() |
| 09:21.14 | vyrus001 | for some reason.. when i transfer anything (via samba, ftp, scp, w/e) over my lan, my transfer starts at 5 megs, then slows to 140k... why does this happen and how can i fix it? |
| 09:21.32 | hatter | peterS: then, about ten lines referring to ide-tape |
| 09:21.52 | hatter | the sony website suggests ide_scsi, which isnt in the 2.6.18 debian kernel |
| 09:22.05 | peterS | you've got IDE-bus tape drives? I thought those had disappeared by now |
| 09:22.38 | hatter | peterS: 1 customer has one and i have an lod one here that i tried, it does the same think |
| 09:23.41 | naught101 | peterS: any idea why mod_authz_host wouldn't be loading if it's linked in mods-enabled? |
| 09:24.05 | maddash | peterS: no clue, huh? |
| 09:24.12 | peterS | naught101: don't know - read mods-enabled/mod_authz_host.load and make sure the load line looks correct |
| 09:24.26 | hatter | maddash: wow, i didnt know about / |
| 09:24.39 | hatter | maddash: though its not helping me yet |
| 09:24.49 | maddash | hatter: oh? |
| 09:25.06 | maddash | hatter: you need to be using menuconfig |
| 09:25.14 | peterS | maddash: you're being a bit confusing there. I don't understand why you're purposely running ssh-agent then complaining that ssh-agent is being run. |
| 09:25.37 | peterS | hatter: if you search for CONFIG_BLK_IDESCSI you might be disappointed, as the option is named CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI |
| 09:26.01 | maddash | peterS: no, no, I **tried out** ssh-agent weeks ago, and now, it won't stop appearing... |
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| 09:26.29 | naught101 | peterS: LoadModule authz_host_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_authz_host.so |
| 09:26.31 | peterS | maddash: and you've restarted X since then? |
| 09:26.40 | maddash | peterS: yes. |
| 09:26.51 | naught101 | and that file exists, but it's binary, so I can't read it |
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| 09:27.31 | hatter | PeterS: Thx, which appears in the config file but not when searching with / in menuconfig |
| 09:27.44 | peterS | maddash: did you read the Xsession.options manpage? particularly the first sentence of the last paragraph before the AUTHORS section? |
| 09:27.50 | maddash | hatter: that's because you're not using the "/" correctly. |
| 09:28.11 | hatter | maddash: ah, how do i use it properly ? |
| 09:28.12 | maddash | hatter: you're supposed to search for a fragment of the config you're looking for. |
| 09:28.20 | maddash | hatter: so, type in "SCSI" |
| 09:28.25 | hatter | ah, i see |
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| 09:28.44 | maddash | hatter: and if you read the instructions more carefully, you'd see that you should leave off "CONFIG_" |
| 09:29.15 | peterS | failing that, if you think really really hard, you might come to the conclusion that you should look in the "IDE" and "SCSI" sections, as this option is likely to be in one of those |
| 09:29.53 | hatter | maddash: yes, but SCSI has lots of matches |
| 09:30.16 | hatter | peterS: yes, I started to look when i thought there may be an easier way and asked |
| 09:30.17 | maddash | peterS: if I hadn't read the man page, then how would i know about the ssh-agent flag/? |
| 09:30.46 | peterS | maddash: well, if you read the man page, you notice that to disable a flag you can't just comment it out, because the flags are enabled by default. you have to negate them explicitly. |
| 09:30.48 | hatter | I guess its the SCSI Emulation support ? |
| 09:31.03 | peterS | hatter: is it? the help text should tell you |
| 09:31.33 | hatter | PeterS: right, the help told me it is, Thx |
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| 09:31.59 | Trentster | hey all, whats the command to bind an additional ip address to an existing interface? |
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| 09:32.38 | peterS | Trentster: aptitude install iproute; ip addr add dev ethN 10.10.220.1/24 |
| 09:32.44 | valdyn | Trentster: same as binding the first |
| 09:32.58 | peterS | valdyn: that's not very helpful, particularly since it isn't correct |
| 09:33.05 | hatter | PeterS: does add it to /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:33.08 | valdyn | peterS: no? |
| 09:33.16 | valdyn | peterS: works for me |
| 09:33.34 | hatter | PeterS: makes it persistent ? |
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| 09:33.39 | peterS | valdyn: how do you do it then? you didn't specify, just that it's the "same way" |
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| 09:34.08 | valdyn | peterS: in interfaces, like the first ip or "ifconfig <ifac> add <ip> |
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| 09:34.31 | alper | hi, my question is about VSFTPD: i installed it and every user on the server has got an own ftp account which points at his /home/user/ directory. now i want to change that direction to a new folder in /var/www/user, so that when i login in FTP i see only that directory and not /home/user anymore? |
| 09:34.32 | peterS | valdyn: the interfaces file supports multiple IPs per interface now? it didn't used to |
| 09:35.07 | hatter | peterS: it always did ? |
| 09:35.11 | Trentster | peterS, thanks |
| 09:35.22 | peterS | hatter: why are you asking me? |
| 09:35.29 | maux | hi. provided that i have libxaw and libxaw-hearders packages. what could i try to solve : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXaw |
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| 09:36.03 | peterS | maux: apt-cache show libxaw-headers |
| 09:36.13 | hatter | multiple IP's per interface with aliased interfaces, do you mean multiple IP's with with the same interface ? |
| 09:36.15 | Salah | WOW |
| 09:36.22 | Salah | it is working fine now |
| 09:36.24 | peterS | hatter: of course I mean with the same interface |
| 09:36.32 | Salah | Debian Forever and ever |
| 09:36.47 | Salah | this is what i`m talkn about ; ) |
| 09:37.04 | hatter | peterS: hmmm, same nic, eth0 eth0-1 ? |
| 09:37.14 | maux | peterS: should i purge it? |
| 09:37.31 | valdyn | peterS: via multiple iface <same_iface> entries at least |
| 09:37.35 | peterS | hatter: right, eth0 can have multiple IPs on it, but last I knew, the interfaces file did not let you specify more than one, unless you used aliases like eth0:0 |
| 09:38.14 | peterS | maux: I didn't say that. I said, apt-cache show libxaw-headers |
| 09:38.18 | hatter | peterS: right, the only way i know of it is to have aliases, so iproute2 allows multiple ip addresses without aliases ? |
| 09:38.22 | peterS | maux: that will answer your question |
| 09:38.36 | maux | peterS: sorry but maybe i am too dumb. ok thanks |
| 09:38.41 | peterS | hatter: yep |
| 09:38.53 | hatter | peterS: ok cool, i didnt know it could |
| 09:38.59 | valdyn | maux: you need the -dev package |
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| 09:39.49 | peterS | hatter: 'ip addr add dev eth0 10.10.220.1/24' - then 'ip addr show' - try it |
| 09:40.11 | maux | valdyn: of course. i think i had :s |
| 09:40.23 | maux | thanks, it compiled now :) |
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| 09:45.46 | peterS | hmmm, I never got around to telling trentster the right 'up ...' line to add to the interfaces file |
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| 09:47.09 | hatter | peterS: thats neat, it doesnt show up in ifconfig |
| 09:47.14 | hatter | only ip addr show |
| 09:47.34 | hatter | is that persistent ? |
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| 09:49.17 | julius | hello, i need some help to install my ipw2200 card :-/ When i try to modprobe ipw2200, i got errors with ieee80211 (here is what my dmesg contains : http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/945 ). Anyone can help me plz ? |
| 09:49.18 | xored | is it possible to connect with ldapsearch to an Active Directory ? |
| 09:49.19 | Loevborg | debootstrapping etch gives me "W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/lfs mount -t proc proc /proc" - is that something to worry about? |
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| 09:49.48 | clearance | how to suspend my box |
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| 09:50.36 | itchi | peterS: Hoi lol guy :-p |
| 09:50.57 | clearance | dpkg: no public key |
| 09:50.58 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 09:51.25 | itchi | julius: Did you compile ieee80211 from source? |
| 09:51.44 | clearance | how can i get my box to standby |
| 09:51.46 | clearance | !ping |
| 09:51.46 | dpkg | pong |
| 09:51.54 | itchi | peterS: Nice pic on the debstats :-) |
| 09:52.21 | peterS | hatter: no, it is not persistent, just as use of 'ifconfig' is not persistent. what I would do is to add a line under 'iface eth0' in the interfaces file: 'up ip addr add dev eth0 a.b.c.d/mask' |
| 09:52.32 | peterS | hatter: the word "up" means "when this interface comes up, run this command" |
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| 09:52.47 | itchi | Loevborg: Is there not an error in your command? |
| 09:53.08 | clearance | pls someone |
| 09:53.10 | clearance | gotta sleep |
| 09:53.15 | clearance | how to standby pc |
| 09:53.27 | peterS | hatter: of course, if you prefer, you can simply use eth0:0, eth0:1, etc. but I find it nice not to have to do that. (and I use 'ip addr' instead of 'ifconfig' to report my IP addresses) |
| 09:53.39 | itchi | clearance: Do you want suspend or hibernate? |
| 09:53.45 | clearance | suspend |
| 09:53.48 | julius | itchi, no i didn't. I thought it had to be include in the kernel |
| 09:54.02 | julius | am i wrong ? |
| 09:54.03 | itchi | clearance: Look too /msg dpkg suspend |
| 09:54.10 | clearance | dpkg: suspend |
| 09:54.11 | dpkg | i heard suspend is check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
| 09:54.14 | itchi | julius: I dunno, honnesty, i'm not sure |
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| 09:54.32 | clearance | dpkg: works for me beautifully!! |
| 09:54.43 | julius | itchi, let's compile it ! |
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| 09:55.16 | hatter | peterS: I like iproute2 and all its extras, its always hard to break from old habits :) |
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| 09:55.36 | itchi | julius: But be sure your in the chroot heh |
| 09:55.44 | peterS | hatter: such as the old habit of referring to the package as 'iproute2' rather than its current name 'iproute'? (: |
| 09:55.57 | iLinux_Alen | hi, i'm trying to install debian for a friend, the install went just great, came to rebooting and when the system goes by the bios screen, the screen goes blank and the cursor is flashing in the top left of the screen |
| 09:56.04 | wintix | is there some sort of tone generation tool e.g. to get the soundcard to emit something that scares dogs? |
| 09:56.29 | peterS | hatter: btw, my "old habit" is typing "ip addr" when I could save time by saying "ip a" instead |
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| 09:56.58 | hatter | peterS: haha, its called iproute ? |
| 09:57.07 | itchi | wintix: Somethings like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
| 09:57.07 | Loevborg | itchi: if I type the command manually, I get: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/mount': Exec format error |
| 09:57.11 | peterS | yes. a long long time ago it was called iproute2. |
| 09:57.19 | hatter | geez |
| 09:57.25 | hatter | I am not that old.... :) |
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| 09:57.36 | rambo3 | there is speakertest no need for cat |
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| 09:57.39 | wintix | itchi: that just gives random noise. a very high continuing beep would be nice :) |
| 09:57.42 | peterS | apparenly, hatter, you _are_ that old |
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| 09:57.47 | iLinux_Alen | can anyone tell my what i should do here? |
| 09:57.50 | hatter | peterS: lol |
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| 09:57.54 | hatter | apparently |
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| 09:58.55 | itchi | iLinux_Alen: See you somehtings loading? |
| 09:59.12 | iLinux_Alen | itchi nothing is loading at all, no grub, nothing |
| 10:00.16 | iLinux_Alen | as soon as bios hands over, the screen goes blank as it does normally and the cursor flashes in the top left as if it were going to continue loading something, but nothing happens |
| 10:00.48 | itchi | iLinux_Alen: Looks like the grub may not installed |
| 10:01.00 | iLinux_Alen | what should i do? |
| 10:01.15 | alper | hi, my question is about VSFTPD: i installed it and every user on the server has got an own ftp account which points at his /home/user/ directory. now i want to change that direction to a new folder in /var/www/user, so that when i login in FTP i see only that directory and not /home/user anymore? |
| 10:01.28 | itchi | iLinux_Alen: I dunno, i may say, reinstall |
| 10:01.38 | itchi | iLinux_Alen: Or try to fix the grub |
| 10:01.51 | hatter | iLinux_Alen: have you got a livecd ? |
| 10:02.16 | hatter | PeterS: I have just been practising : ip a |
| 10:02.18 | hatter | lol |
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| 10:02.24 | iLinux_Alen | itchi no point re-installing, as i said, the install went just fine, and there is no reason to believe that doing it again will change that |
| 10:02.47 | iLinux_Alen | hatter i think i have a kubuntu cd somewhere |
| 10:02.59 | iLinux_Alen | i believe thats live? |
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| 10:04.23 | hatter | iLinux_Alen: with a livecd you can chroot into your installation |
| 10:04.33 | hatter | iLinux_Alen: if you believe it is fine |
| 10:04.42 | hatter | iLinux_Alen: the you can try to re-install grub |
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| 10:05.04 | iLinux_Alen | hatter, i've selected encrypted volumes, will that be an issue with mounting? never done that before |
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| 10:05.22 | hatter | iLinux_Alen: i dont know the answer to that, I havent used encrypted volumes |
| 10:05.28 | iLinux_Alen | nods |
| 10:05.29 | omri | I guess it would. |
| 10:05.39 | omri | otherwise what would encrypted filesystem contribute? |
| 10:05.44 | iLinux_Alen | i'm thinking it might too |
| 10:05.53 | iLinux_Alen | how do i mount them? |
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| 10:06.04 | iLinux_Alen | omri exactly lol |
| 10:06.04 | omri | mmm... how does encrypted volumes work? you've been asked for a passphrase during installation? |
| 10:06.18 | iLinux_Alen | yes i know the passphrase |
| 10:06.32 | itchi | iLinux_Alen: Is it all the diff fs that are encrypted ? |
| 10:06.34 | omri | maybe that's what you'd be asked for when mounting |
| 10:06.36 | peterS | omri: yes, and again each time you boot |
| 10:06.50 | omri | then you should probably be able to mount it from a livecd |
| 10:06.55 | iLinux_Alen | itchi /boot is not encrypted |
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| 10:07.03 | omri | encrypted FS work with LVM, am I right? |
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| 10:07.21 | iLinux_Alen | omri oh |
| 10:07.22 | dav__ | elo |
| 10:07.43 | omri | iLinux_Alen, I say you boot into a livecd and we'll start checking :) |
| 10:07.50 | iLinux_Alen | nods |
| 10:07.52 | omri | I love gentoo's minimal installation livecd |
| 10:07.53 | peterS | lvm doesn't know or care about the contents of a logical volume, so an encrypted filesystem shouldn't bother it any more than, say, a FAT16 filesystem |
| 10:08.10 | dav__ | i have used airmon-ng and each time i run it even if i reboot it create me a new ath interface nowadays it is ath20 how to come back to ath1 remove the 19 other |
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| 10:08.51 | iLinux_Alen | i'll have to pull the monitor on this one so won't be able to see chat, also gotta nip to the shop, so i'll sit on the sidelines till i'm ready, thanks for your time people :) see you soon |
| 10:09.56 | omri | what livecds do you use for recovery? I personally love gentoo's minimal install cd |
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| 10:10.43 | Loevborg | itchi: I found it out, thanks |
| 10:12.21 | hatter | omri: i have a few knopiix cds |
| 10:12.56 | omri | knoppix is too havy for my taste |
| 10:13.08 | xand | the full gentoo CD is good |
| 10:13.27 | omri | its hardware detection is nice |
| 10:13.27 | hatter | omri: at boot: knoppix 2 gives you command line very quick |
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| 10:14.03 | peterS | surely the gentoo live CD would take awhile to boot as it has to recompile itself for your CPU |
| 10:14.50 | VImtermute | oy |
| 10:15.15 | omri | what? the livecd doesn't compile itself |
| 10:15.26 | peterS | whatever is the point of a gentoo install that doesn't compile itself? |
| 10:15.35 | omri | the install does, not the livecd |
| 10:15.50 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's blunted |
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| 10:16.17 | omri | I was a tight gentoo user, I'm migrating to debian :) |
| 10:16.24 | omri | using ubuntu on my desktop |
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| 10:16.40 | peterS | ummm ... ubuntu isn't debian |
| 10:16.46 | omri | I know |
| 10:17.08 | peterS | your statement implied that you believed the two were the same |
| 10:17.24 | omri | well, maybe it did, but I don't think they are the same :) |
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| 10:17.31 | peterS | good deal |
| 10:18.07 | omri | anyways, I find compiling everything yourself a big time wasting operation |
| 10:18.28 | itchi | I try to setup procmail. So i have create a ~/.forward (with the content |/usr/bin/procmail) file and a ~/.procmail http://paste.uni.cc/14983 But my mail is send as mbox format and not as Maildir. |
| 10:18.30 | omri | not to mention you have to wait for application to compile while you need them immediately |
| 10:18.54 | valdyn | itchi: ~/.procmailrc |
| 10:19.16 | itchi | valdyn: hhhm rc |
| 10:19.45 | valdyn | itchi: procmail delivers to Maildir if the mailbox ends in a / |
| 10:20.00 | peterS | valdyn: did you read his paste? |
| 10:20.07 | peterS | valdyn: he does end his mailbox names with / |
| 10:20.23 | itchi | peterS: So i'm completely wrong? :-) |
| 10:20.43 | dondelelcaro | then it wouldn't be a mailbox but a maildir... ;-) |
| 10:20.44 | peterS | itchi: well, it should be .procmailrc rather than .procmail - but the file itself looks ok to me, at a glance |
| 10:21.20 | itchi | I need to wait some 5 mins now, waiting a test mail :-) |
| 10:21.26 | valdyn | i know nothing about procmail using MAILDIR as you think it does |
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| 10:22.06 | peterS | valdyn: the MAILDIR variable just means "where mailbox filenames are relative to", it does not imply maildir format or anything |
| 10:22.11 | cat | hey is e17 is it in debian? |
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| 10:22.27 | itchi | Yeah, i have some mail in mbox format now :-s I need to convert it later to my Maildir gggrr :-( |
| 10:22.32 | valdyn | peterS: right, ok, so that part should be ok. |
| 10:22.38 | peterS | cat: how long have you been using debian, and you still don't know about 'apt-cache search'? |
| 10:22.41 | Mazingaro | I got a problem with apm and sensors on debian for sparc: kernel has got no support for apm and there are no modules for sun i2cs |
| 10:22.48 | petemc | itchi: mb2md works v well |
| 10:22.54 | cat | peterS: is the package called e17 or e11 |
| 10:22.54 | cat | ? |
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| 10:23.17 | itchi | petemc: Thanks :-) |
| 10:23.18 | valdyn | cat: or you could search for enlightenment |
| 10:23.23 | cat | !info e17 |
| 10:23.29 | peterS | cat: why don't you try apt-cache search? |
| 10:24.34 | omri | what's the next debian codename? (after etch) |
| 10:24.40 | peterS | lenny |
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| 10:24.45 | peterS | actually... |
| 10:24.50 | peterS | !topicsmite omri |
| 10:24.50 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon omri. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:25.16 | omri | oh, Lenny :) |
| 10:26.17 | itchi | There is a little space missing in the description of apt-cache search mb2md "format mailboxes.As the Mbox" Should i make a bug report for that too? |
| 10:26.35 | peterS | itchi: you can if you want |
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| 10:27.15 | itchi | peterS: Bah, it's a little glitch, maybe gona just mail the maintainer? Is that better? |
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| 10:27.30 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah, you can file a bug |
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| 10:27.45 | peterS | itchi: your choice, really. people do file bugs for small things like that. |
| 10:27.53 | valdyn | itchi: filing a bug is probably easier on the maintainer |
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| 10:28.20 | valdyn | itchi: as that mail is by default in the right place, where a random mail would have to be sorted by him manually |
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| 10:28.58 | itchi | Yeah, both easy, just that a bug for 'that' is kinda 'big', but at the same time, there are traces; avoiding that someone other again report it, while it is in the queu |
| 10:29.03 | jgw2001 | hello |
| 10:29.03 | jgw2001 | Now listening to:t1.mpeg |
| 10:29.14 | samyboy | bonapetit |
| 10:29.19 | itchi | Yup, gona made a bug report |
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| 10:32.11 | jgw2001 | Hello |
| 10:32.11 | jgw2001 | Now listening to:t1.mpeg |
| 10:32.37 | jgw2001 | k |
| 10:32.48 | alleyoopster | hi all, if I install nvidia drivers are there more likely to be problems in the future of stable with upgrades etc where I may loose X (thinking kernel modules)? thanks |
| 10:32.52 | dondelelcaro | jgw2001: turn whatever that is off, please. |
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| 10:33.58 | jgw2001 | trying to find out how to turn it off... |
| 10:33.58 | jgw2001 | Now listening to:t1.mpeg |
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| 10:34.34 | simonrvn | one of your client scripts, i would presume |
| 10:34.42 | alleyoopster | this install is for someone else's laptop, it is currently on edgy, but not happy with stability, so looking at etch |
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| 10:35.14 | kairu0 | alleyoopster, been there, done that |
| 10:35.27 | mark_s | in /etc/hostname is the hostname of the computer. Does it also have a domain name and in which file can I find this? |
| 10:35.38 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 10:35.38 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 10:35.41 | alleyoopster | kairu0: recommendations? |
| 10:35.54 | valdyn | !fqdn |
| 10:35.54 | dpkg | somebody said fqdn was Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 10:36.02 | kairu0 | alleyoopster, never owned nvidia. just saying i moved from edgy to etch and am happy with stability |
| 10:36.29 | jgw2001 | Found the plugins..... |
| 10:36.37 | cat | ~gnome-applets |
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| 10:36.50 | jgw2001 | disabled..... |
| 10:36.50 | simmerz | what is the intended release cycle now that etch is out? |
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| 10:37.00 | lesleyb | hi just installed etch and have installed the non=free nvidia drivers for my old Quadro4 card |
| 10:37.00 | jgw2001 | So when will 4.1 be out...... |
| 10:37.02 | alleyoopster | I am sure it is a good move, if there is praise for debian on ubuntu forum then that says something |
| 10:37.13 | simmerz | is it still 18 months? |
| 10:37.15 | lesleyb | everything seems to work bar one thing |
| 10:37.38 | lesleyb | I have a virtual screen which is larger than the physical screen |
| 10:37.43 | mark_s | thank you |
| 10:37.46 | lesleyb | any clues on how to fix this? |
| 10:37.49 | alleyoopster | what I wanted to clarify is if the minor updates will cater for non free drivers, ie nvidia, anyone know this? |
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| 10:37.55 | jgw2001 | Why dont we just grab ubuntu, spice it up and call it debian 4.1....... |
| 10:37.59 | julius | hmm... i juste compile ieee80211 because i had problem with my ipw2200 wifi... But the problem is still here. When i modprobe ipw2200, it says : FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/contrib/ipw2200/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:38.02 | julius | any ideas ? |
| 10:38.19 | lesleyb | what does dmesg say? |
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| 10:38.31 | SaintN | julius - dmesg | tail will tell u more |
| 10:38.49 | enouf | Q. what is the correct way to allow say eth0 to be initialized, yet not ifup:ed? might one need to comment the appropriate line in /etc/network/run/ifstate? I see IFSTATE=/etc/network/run/ifstate (it says hardcoded) in /etc/init.d/ifupdown. Or might a udev rule here be more appropriate, but i'd think not offhand |
| 10:38.50 | itchi | How do i fix that error of that package description? |
| 10:39.01 | itchi | Ow, that's in the control file? |
| 10:39.04 | valdyn | julius: you have 2 versions of iee80211 and ipw2200.ko since your kernel already contains it |
| 10:39.26 | itguru | morning people :) (Or evening, depending on your time zone :) ) |
| 10:39.33 | alleyoopster | afternoon |
| 10:39.38 | julius | http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/946 |
| 10:39.41 | SaintN | itguru - evenin :) |
| 10:39.44 | julius | valdyn, what can i do then ? |
| 10:39.49 | SaintN | enouf - I dont understand ur question |
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| 10:40.01 | itguru | SaintN: How you doing dude! |
| 10:40.11 | valdyn | julius: use the driver that shipped with your kernel |
| 10:40.20 | SaintN | itguru - tops as always :) |
| 10:40.24 | valdyn | julius: or remove the modules that shipped with your kernel |
| 10:40.31 | alleyoopster | ok, I'll rephrase q, are there likely to be kernel updates during stables lifetime? |
| 10:40.32 | itchi | Cooool .procmailrc works like expected now :-p |
| 10:40.32 | jgw2001 | If your trying to setup wireless use ndiswrapper and remove the ipw2200, I had problems with the intel wireless chipset in debian (works fine i suse, ubuntu), I believe it may be an issue with the kernel being used by debian.... |
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| 10:40.52 | enouf | SaintN: eth1 is the only connection needed at boot, yet eth0 is needed afterwards (sometimes much later, as dial out), but only when i tell it too at some point |
| 10:41.05 | julius | jgw2001, ok thanks for the tips... this ipw2200 doesn't want to work :( |
| 10:41.08 | itchi | Gona do my 2 cents contribution now mb2md :-) |
| 10:41.11 | itguru | SaintN: That's good! |
| 10:41.21 | valdyn | julius: ndiswrapper is really an ugly 'fix' for this |
| 10:41.30 | SaintN | enouf - yet eth0 is coming online on boot? modify /etc/network/interfaces and make sure its not "auto eth0" |
| 10:41.32 | jgw2001 | It works.... |
| 10:41.34 | julius | valdyn, give me a beautiful fix then :p |
| 10:41.44 | valdyn | julius: you could paste the error you are getting with the in kernel module and fix it |
| 10:41.50 | jgw2001 | or the lazy solution..... |
| 10:41.52 | alleyoopster | anyone? |
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| 10:42.02 | SaintN | itguru - just busy trying to put back into the community :) I should stop thinking linux soon tho |
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| 10:42.08 | enouf | SaintN: ok .. sounds like the correct avenue .. so just comment out 'auto eth0' ? |
| 10:42.13 | julius | valdyn, this is what i get with dmesg : http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/946 |
| 10:42.15 | valdyn | alleyoopster: yes. |
| 10:42.19 | julius | is that what u want ? |
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| 10:42.30 | SaintN | enouf - yes, but leave auto lo for your loopback adapter. Then eth0 wont come online at boot |
| 10:42.40 | itguru | SaintN: You can never stop thinking linux, once the penguin has infused its DNA into your physci, your hooked for life |
| 10:42.46 | SaintN | enouf - u will need to ifconfig eth0 up, to bring it online |
| 10:42.50 | alleyoopster | valdyn: will these break X with nvidia? |
| 10:42.50 | enouf | SaintN: or remove it (if it works) .. righto .. ok sounds good .. thanks |
| 10:42.51 | valdyn | julius: that's the error you are getting because you compiled your new module |
| 10:43.02 | enouf | SaintN: gotcha |
| 10:43.02 | valdyn | julius: use the in kernel stuff, remove your custom compiled stuff |
| 10:43.06 | ChrisW | I'm having problems with customers downloading .xls files through an Apache front end sine upgrading to etch, has anyone else experienced this? |
| 10:43.12 | jgw2001 | I was thinking of starting a new project, any one used paltalk on windows? Its like IRC however its has VOIP built in. was think of writting a paltalk client |
| 10:43.14 | SaintN | itguru - well it has been 5 years now, I just cant sleep if my brain is still tickin :) u know how it is :D |
| 10:43.19 | julius | valdyn, ok... i try this |
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| 10:43.47 | julius | "make uninstall" is enough for this ? |
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| 10:44.08 | valdyn | julius: currently you have the _old_ ieee80211 loaded and are trying to modprobe the _new_ ipw2200. that cant work |
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| 10:44.32 | julius | i thought i delete it |
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| 10:45.08 | SaintN | ahhhhhh quiet times :) |
| 10:45.26 | alleyoopster | valdyn: thanks |
| 10:45.59 | julius | valdyn, FATAL: Module ieee80211 not found. |
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| 10:46.03 | julius | i think i delete it lol |
| 10:46.18 | valdyn | julius: well.. |
| 10:46.23 | SaintN | lol |
| 10:46.38 | valdyn | julius: deleting a module does not unload it, but certainly makes it impossible to modprobe it |
| 10:46.38 | itchi | Be patient for that mb2md heh, i'm looking to put a patch too |
| 10:46.49 | julius | but lsmod still give me ieee80211 and ieee80211_crypt |
| 10:47.01 | julius | yep, that's what i'm seeing |
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| 10:47.06 | liable | so remove them |
| 10:47.10 | julius | i can't |
| 10:47.27 | julius | modprobe -r iee80211 ==> FATAL: Module iee80211 not found. |
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| 10:48.54 | itchi | julius: A missing 'e'?? |
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| 10:50.15 | julius | itchi, yep but same problem with 3 e |
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| 10:53.01 | valdyn | julius: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 10:53.37 | itchi | How can i include my patch in reportbug (vim)? |
| 10:53.46 | itchi | Without copy and paste :-) |
| 10:53.57 | valdyn | itchi: :r <file> |
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| 10:54.13 | julius | valdyn, ok, i'm doing it |
| 10:54.37 | itchi | valdyn: Coooool :-) So learned a new vim trick too :-) |
| 10:54.52 | seshomaru1234 | hi - is gnome on debian set to automount extrernal DVD/CD drive? |
| 10:55.38 | xand | seshomaru1234: doubt it |
| 10:55.45 | xand | at least, not by default |
| 10:55.57 | seshomaru1234 | xand - how do i mount it? |
| 10:55.58 | valdyn | mm |
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| 10:56.14 | valdyn | seshomaru1234: install gnome-volume-manager |
| 10:56.14 | julius | valdyn, thanks it's working now... what do u think i can do ? removing ieee80211 and then compile the last one ? |
| 10:56.18 | itchi | Done :-) |
| 10:56.28 | seshomaru1234 | valdyn - thanks |
| 10:56.37 | valdyn | seshomaru1234: though that's already setup if the package 'gnome' is installed |
| 10:56.56 | xand | i always mount stuff manually |
| 10:57.02 | valdyn | julius: why do anything when its working? |
| 10:57.23 | seshomaru1234 | valdyn -its already installed |
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| 10:57.46 | seshomaru1234 | valdyn- im trying to access a hitachi camera/dvd |
| 10:57.56 | valdyn | seshomaru1234: and? |
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| 10:58.03 | valdyn | seshomaru1234: run gnome-volume-properties |
| 10:58.09 | seshomaru1234 | valdyn- said cannot mount |
| 10:58.26 | valdyn | seshomaru1234: its probably not set to automount usb devices, just cdroms by default, i dont remember |
| 10:58.29 | a1ien1inux | wow, booting the live cd on a p2 350 sux lol |
| 10:58.29 | abchirk | How I can print with xpdf? In Cups the printer works fine...but I need a command to print from xpdf how I get thisß |
| 10:58.50 | valdyn | abchirk: install cupsys-bsd, then you can use lpr <file> |
| 10:58.50 | pixelfairy | abchirk: lpr |
| 10:58.52 | julius | valdyn, i'm trying to get my ipw2200 wifi working |
| 10:59.00 | valdyn | julius: i know, what's the problem |
| 10:59.32 | seshomaru1234 | i can see it with lsusb |
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| 11:00.04 | julius | valdyn, iwconfig doesn't give me any wireless extension |
| 11:00.07 | itchi | I hope i did nothings wrong with the bugreport http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421764 |
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| 11:00.37 | valdyn | julius: is the ipw2200 module loaded? what does dmesg say about it? |
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| 11:00.49 | pumpkin0 | julius: and the modules firmware_class and ipw2200 are loaded ? the firmware is found and installed ? |
| 11:01.35 | julius | modprobe ipw2200 is working fine |
| 11:01.44 | julius | and lsmod show me that it is loaded |
| 11:01.50 | julius | bu nothing with iwconfig |
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| 11:01.58 | pumpkin0 | julius: and dmesg shows the firmware is loaded ? |
| 11:01.59 | valdyn | julius: run 'dmesg' |
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| 11:02.33 | valdyn | julius: a module being loaded means only that. Kernel messages dont go to your random x terminal |
| 11:02.57 | valdyn | julius: so anything can load, spitting out a dozen erros, but X terminals dont show these |
| 11:03.22 | a1ien1inux | ok, i'm trying to setup the filesystem for a chroot to repair grub, trying to mount, mount says - mount: unknown filesystem type 'crypto_LUKS' - is there a different command for the encrypted mount? or is this kubuntu cd useless for this task? |
| 11:03.41 | valdyn | alindeman: we dont support kubuntu |
| 11:03.49 | ChrisW | where can I find an md5 util? |
| 11:04.02 | valdyn | a1ien1inux: we dont support kubuntu |
| 11:04.03 | a1ien1inux | valdyn: i never said you did |
| 11:04.10 | a1ien1inux | this is debian |
| 11:04.15 | a1ien1inux | not kubuntu |
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| 11:04.39 | a1ien1inux | i'm trying to fix debian and all i have is this cd |
| 11:04.55 | alleyoopster | ChrisW: md5sum package |
| 11:05.02 | julius | valdyn, pumpkin0 .... hmmm "unable to load firmware"....... i'm going to try myself a little bit |
| 11:05.05 | julius | thanks for the help :) |
| 11:05.10 | a1ien1inux | i wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions |
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| 11:05.35 | a1ien1inux | so how do i mount DEBIANS encrypted filesystem? |
| 11:05.50 | pumpkin0 | julius: unpacking the file ipw2200-fw-2.4.tgz inside /lib/firmware helps. the file can be found via google. |
| 11:06.24 | SaintN | a1ien1inux - http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Cryptoloop-HOWTO/#mounting-filesystem |
| 11:06.53 | SaintN | I think etch uses cryptoloop |
| 11:06.54 | SaintN | cant remember |
| 11:06.56 | a1ien1inux | SaintN: thanks, looking now |
| 11:06.59 | alleyoopster | what is a sensible size for / partition typical gnome desktop? |
| 11:07.03 | a1ien1inux | nods |
| 11:07.26 | pumpkin0 | alleyoopster: 5GB, excluding /home. |
| 11:07.30 | a1ien1inux | MAN this livecd sux lol, talk about slow |
| 11:07.31 | julius | pumpkin0, i did it but with the 3.0 firmware... is it a problem ? |
| 11:07.56 | pumpkin0 | julius: depends on version of your ipw2200 module. just test it. |
| 11:07.59 | alleyoopster | pumpkin0: thanks |
| 11:08.01 | a1ien1inux | i could eat dinner and come back before the browser comes up lol |
| 11:08.07 | holycow | alleyoopster, what i do is something like that, 20gigs /, 5 gigs /var, 2 gigs /swap, the rest for /home |
| 11:08.27 | SaintN | alleyoopster - make sure /tmp is on its own partition too |
| 11:08.33 | SaintN | im outta here |
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| 11:08.41 | julius | pumpkin0, ok... i have to eat, thanks for the help ;) |
| 11:09.12 | alleyoopster | i have 20GBs so I just wanted to get the biggest home out of that but enough / for 2 years use |
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| 11:10.04 | holycow | hard to say, i've never really run a 20 gig hd in production |
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| 11:10.36 | alleyoopster | are debian is nice, it automatically does it for you at 4.7 GB / |
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| 11:10.59 | holycow | yeah actually not a bad idea |
| 11:11.03 | hatter | a1ien1inux: thats why i use knoppix 2 to get a command prompt, boots quick |
| 11:11.04 | holycow | let debian do it automagically for you |
| 11:11.13 | pumpkin0 | alleyoopster: only create 1 partition for / (including everything) and a swap-space (1GB ?). That way you cannot run out of space in one partition with another one still free. |
| 11:11.20 | a1ien1inux | i'm doing this - mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /mnt/debian/ -oencryption=blowfish-256 - and it asks for the passphrase, i enter it and it says -ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument |
| 11:11.32 | a1ien1inux | hatter yeah me too, lent it my mate though atm |
| 11:12.03 | alleyoopster | pumpkin0: I have win 2.6, / 4.7, swap 600MB, home 12, seems ok |
| 11:12.28 | pumpkin0 | alleyoopster: looks good for the usuall things. |
| 11:12.55 | alleyoopster | pumpkin0: cool, it is just for usual things. thanks |
| 11:12.59 | thomson | I have 3 hosts: 1. Debian unstable, 2. Debian stable, 3. Ubuntu stable. Is there a way to build one binary and run it on all 3 boxes? |
| 11:13.44 | liable | only if the depends for it allow |
| 11:14.05 | thomson | There's problem with libc version. Can I somehow "force" gcc/g++ to use old libc? Do I have to install some backward-compatibility libs? Is it even possible? |
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| 11:14.19 | liable | dont even think about it |
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| 11:15.51 | kairu0 | thomson, what exactly are you trying to force? |
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| 11:16.13 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | could /dev/sda1 be an internal hdd of a laptop? |
| 11:16.38 | liable | of course |
| 11:16.43 | seshomaru1234 | hi - i'm trying to play a dvd but cannot - which libraries do i need? |
| 11:16.45 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | i'm fucked |
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| 11:17.05 | liable | !css |
| 11:17.05 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
| 11:17.14 | seshomaru1234 | i have libdvdcss2 but still cannot play |
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| 11:17.32 | thomson | kairu0: use my blazing-fast unstable box to build some app and run it on other slower boxes. I'm developing it, so I'm rebuilding it over and over again, so it would be VERY useful, to build it on one box and just copy it. |
| 11:17.34 | itchi | Wikipedia-Gast06: Probably a SATA driver |
| 11:17.35 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | i need some serious help here: i accidentaly did mkdosfs -F 32 to my hdd, now it wont boot anymnore |
| 11:17.45 | a1ien1inux | whats the cryptoloop module called? |
| 11:17.52 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | used to be NTFS windows partition |
| 11:18.02 | itchi | s/driver/device/ |
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| 11:18.22 | liable | Wikipedia-Gast06: your right, you're fucked. |
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| 11:18.57 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | damn right |
| 11:18.57 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | is there any way to get the ntfs back? |
| 11:18.58 | itchi | Wikipedia-Gast06: Remake the fs |
| 11:18.58 | Gryflhase | Don't use gnome, but my (ROX)-Desktop residentss in a 4 gb-partiton (1 GB free): including the following software: Firefox2, Apache, PHP, Java2, Realplayer, XChat, Gaim, Flash, Openoffice, CUPS, Gimp, XaralX, Inkscape, Avidemux, TVTime, Xmms, vlc, DOSBOX, Jpilot, graveman and a virtual machine |
| 11:18.59 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | but then i'll lose the date right? |
| 11:19.00 | liable | Wikipedia-Gast06: here isnt the best place to ask |
| 11:19.09 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | data i mean |
| 11:19.20 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | where should i go? |
| 11:19.26 | a1ien1inux | hatter do you know if knopix supports cryptoloop? |
| 11:19.33 | liable | Wikipedia-Gast06: to a windows channel |
| 11:20.00 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | any on freenode? |
| 11:20.16 | liable | yep, funnily enough, #windows |
| 11:20.26 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | itchi: if i remake the fs, will the data be lost? |
| 11:20.31 | liable | oe mebbe ##windows |
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| 11:20.40 | itchi | Wikipedia-Gast06: Without black magie, i wonder |
| 11:21.26 | itchi | Wikipedia-Gast06: Anyway, pay attention what your doing, that's the best fix for all |
| 11:21.44 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | well i did, but i never expected /dev/sda1 to be the hdd |
| 11:21.56 | Gryflhase | Wikipedia-Gast06: Maybe partion magic(k)? for windows |
| 11:22.17 | Gryflhase | or other special tools..... |
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| 11:22.44 | Gryflhase | andy recovery-tools |
| 11:23.14 | Gryflhase | -d ...... afaik mkfs doesn't fill the complete harddics with zeros.... |
| 11:23.24 | pumpkin0 | Wikipedia-Gast06: google von "convar" and have a go with the free recover tools. |
| 11:23.27 | Gryflhase | so your changes may not that bad |
| 11:23.47 | LOQUILLO_ | hello everyone |
| 11:24.06 | Wikipedia-Gast06 | yeah it was done it a couple sec. with 120GB drive, so it cant be a clean format |
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| 11:24.50 | Gryflhase | Wikipedia-Gast06: Or make a 1:1 copy of the tracks and sectors to another disc that size |
| 11:24.57 | Gryflhase | before you dooing anything |
| 11:25.10 | seshomaru1234 | is there anything beside libdvdcss2 needed to play DVD? I have libdvdcss2 but still cannot play , |
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| 11:25.36 | pumpkin0 | seshomaru1234: what the error-msg and which players did you test ? |
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| 11:26.22 | geirola | I'm trying to get winxp to connect to a printer on a debian box with cups. I get stuck at logging in to the printer..it says I have no access. I've even tried with user root. |
| 11:26.31 | geirola | What should I try? |
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| 11:26.43 | xand | geirola: you need to create an account with smbpasswd I should think |
| 11:26.44 | geirola | I read somewhere that I should add a user to the group lpadmin, but that didn't work either |
| 11:26.50 | seshomaru1234 | pumpkin0, i tried totem and vlc - but i dont get any errors - it's as if the disc is empty (but its not) |
| 11:26.57 | geirola | xand: yea i did that too |
| 11:27.27 | pumpkin0 | seshomaru1234: did you to start the players in a console and watch for errors there ? |
| 11:27.31 | petemc | seshomaru1234: silly question - you're sure you have a dvd drive and not a cd? :) |
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| 11:27.36 | a1ien1inux | geirola: did you read encryption.txt? seem to recall reading about that |
| 11:27.43 | seshomaru1234 | petemc - sure |
| 11:27.49 | Gryflhase | Aehm..... sorry..... I'm in stalling etch with the xfce1-cd.... was I unconcentrated and did I start "installing software" manual while chatting or did it automatically ? |
| 11:27.53 | geirola | a1ien1inux: no..where can i find that? |
| 11:28.05 | a1ien1inux | its part of samba |
| 11:28.11 | seshomaru1234 | pumpkin0 -not sure how to do that ...let me try to figure it out |
| 11:28.25 | a1ien1inux | it says about it in the conf |
| 11:28.28 | geirola | a1ien1inux: so to utilize cups i have to use samba as well? |
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| 11:28.47 | geirola | i have no file called encryption.txt on my system |
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| 11:29.01 | a1ien1inux | geirola: not sure about cups |
| 11:29.26 | a1ien1inux | if cups says it can do it, then i guess you won't need samba |
| 11:29.39 | seshomaru1234 | pumpkin0, how do i ran it from console? |
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| 11:30.24 | pumpkin0 | seshomaru1234: open a console and run "vlc" |
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| 11:31.07 | a1ien1inux | i didn't know you could do remote printing with cups |
| 11:31.23 | geirola | i have a printserver running on localhost:631 |
| 11:31.26 | geirola | maybe you do too :) |
| 11:31.32 | liable | printeserving? sure |
| 11:31.41 | a1ien1inux | liable: oh ok |
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| 11:32.17 | a1ien1inux | liable: so they don't need samba to serve windows clients? |
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| 11:32.45 | liable | a1ien1inux: windows should be able to print postscript to it like any network printer |
| 11:33.00 | a1ien1inux | aah ok |
| 11:33.00 | seshomaru1234 | pumpkin0, i can see the error message , the menu is in japanese and that seems to cause a difficluty for VLC |
| 11:33.16 | phogg | a1ien1inux: cups is just the linux way of doing IPP. Port 631 is what cups listens on, after all |
| 11:33.23 | liable | a1ien1inux: i'll paste my cups conf if it still exists |
| 11:33.31 | seshomaru1234 | pumpkin0, can I copy the DVD into my HDD with vlc? |
| 11:33.57 | pumpkin0 | seshomaru1234: no idea. I use mencoder/mplayer for that. |
| 11:33.59 | a1ien1inux | liable: its not for me, its for geirola |
| 11:34.10 | julius | pumpkin0, you said me i have to put the firmware in /lib/firmware and i saw that some1 put it in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware. Who's right ? |
| 11:34.31 | a1ien1inux | i don't have a printer so not dealt with it, just trying to help a fellow user ;) |
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| 11:34.39 | alleyoopster | a very amusing article about Linux not being able to run without Windows, http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12355-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=31199&messageID=579806&start=43 |
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| 11:34.50 | phogg | julius: depends (I thonk) on kernel version, or maybe on which module you're using. |
| 11:34.53 | wols | alleyoopster: /lib/firmware. |
| 11:34.57 | pumpkin0 | julius: etch sould look at both places, ubunut only looks in one place. |
| 11:35.02 | phogg | alleyoopster: just a troll doing his thing |
| 11:35.06 | wols | julius: /lib/firmware/ |
| 11:35.21 | seshomaru1234 | pumpkin0, thank you for your help |
| 11:35.23 | julius | ok... i try in /lib/firmware because it doesn't seem to work at the other place |
| 11:35.26 | geirola | you can help me liable :) |
| 11:35.28 | alleyoopster | phogg: strange answers |
| 11:35.59 | liable | geirola: sec |
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| 11:36.24 | kairu0 | alleyoopster, lol just read it now |
| 11:37.00 | Sirgado | on my debian Lenny 2.6.18-4-k7 all GTK apps refuse to start. Error message is: glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop) |
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| 11:37.13 | alleyoopster | kairu0: incredible, the perception some people have of linux |
| 11:37.17 | Sirgado | I can't figure ou what the problem is |
| 11:37.24 | julius | yeaaaaah it's working :D thanks all |
| 11:37.37 | jasson | which is the package for webmail client and server? |
| 11:37.46 | Gryflhase | sorry, for repeating: |
| 11:37.52 | Gryflhase | Aehm..... sorry..... I'm in stalling etch with the xfce1-cd.... was I unconcentrated and did I start "installing software" manual while chatting or did it automatically ? |
| 11:38.00 | jasson | julius: what works for you? |
| 11:38.05 | liable | geirola: http://paste.debian.net/26913 thats all it is, as long as the local box has the driver installed, then the printer should announce itself over the network every 30 secs or so. change the allow ip's etc to suit your network |
| 11:38.13 | julius | jasson, ipw2200 (wifi) :) |
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| 11:38.20 | jasson | oh |
| 11:38.26 | geirola | ok, liable..i'll see if i can work it out |
| 11:38.26 | jasson | congrats! |
| 11:38.28 | itguru | Is it possible to make an ISO image of a DVD, regardless of read errors? |
| 11:38.34 | julius | thanks :p |
| 11:38.52 | wols | Gryflhase: it normally doesn't do it automatically. but what's the big deal? you can always install stuff later when you missed something |
| 11:39.18 | jasson | julius: so, you going to tap your neighbors networks? |
| 11:39.20 | pumpkin0 | itguru: yes and no. You can copy it to HD using dd_rescue. |
| 11:39.30 | Gryflhase | wols: I DONT want to install this software it had installed... i want just a base-system |
| 11:39.46 | julius | jasson, not really... I got my own network :) |
| 11:39.48 | itguru | pumpkin0: I tried that, it was taking about 8 hours, and wasn't even half way |
| 11:39.58 | jasson | no package for @mail in debian? |
| 11:40.20 | hark | what's @mail? |
| 11:40.22 | jasson | julius: that's what they always say. :D |
| 11:40.22 | pumpkin0 | itguru: adjust the options for a faster, less complet copy. |
| 11:40.40 | wols | Gryflhase: then look in /var/log/dpkg.log and unstinall what you don't want |
| 11:41.01 | julius | jasson, ;-)... hmmm... ipw2200 is not really good with aircr*** |
| 11:41.29 | pumpkin0 | itguru: anyway: if a DVD is that FUBAR ... just forget it and get another copy. |
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| 11:42.14 | jasson | julius: can it do packet injection? |
| 11:42.18 | a1ien1inux | getting closer with my mount issue, i now have the cryptoloop module and the blowfish module intalled but it still errors with ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument - is there something i am missing? |
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| 11:42.40 | geirola | liable: that worked beautifully |
| 11:42.44 | geirola | liable: :D |
| 11:42.58 | jasson | 8) |
| 11:43.03 | jasson | 9) |
| 11:43.03 | geirola | but now I'd really like to know why that worked and what was wrong with my previous cupsd.conf |
| 11:43.29 | Gryflhase | *thinking* ok.... together with deborphan that makes sense |
| 11:43.30 | a1ien1inux | geirola: insufficient reading probably lol |
| 11:43.32 | a1ien1inux | joking |
| 11:43.34 | a1ien1inux | :D |
| 11:43.38 | julius | jasson, i don't think so, i already check and people say that it's not really good |
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| 11:45.56 | a1ien1inux | can anyone give me a pointer please as to what i am missing to mount this cryptoloop filesystem? lsmod shows that cryptoloop and blowfish modules are loded but the mount still fails |
| 11:45.57 | julius | gnnn... network-manager-gnome doesn't install the command network-manager ? :| |
| 11:46.01 | geirola | i used the default cupsd.conf..slightly modified |
| 11:46.09 | geirola | it must have blocked something |
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| 11:46.46 | hark | julius: it's nm-applet |
| 11:46.46 | julius | ohhhh ok thanks |
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| 11:48.03 | Gryflhase | Ah.... when I install 2 diffrent linux-distributions .... they can share the same /boot -partition? |
| 11:48.15 | Gryflhase | as long as they use diffrent kernals? |
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| 11:49.34 | a1ien1inux | anyone? |
| 11:49.39 | a1ien1inux | :( |
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| 11:49.58 | xand | O.o |
| 11:50.06 | a1ien1inux | oO |
| 11:50.07 | wols | !tell a1ien1inux about errors |
| 11:50.17 | jasson | which email client can handle video? |
| 11:50.29 | a1ien1inux | wols i did |
| 11:50.32 | wols | jasson: none? |
| 11:50.36 | wols | mail is mail, video is video |
| 11:50.51 | a1ien1inux | wols you want me to paste it again? |
| 11:50.58 | Gryflhase | jasson: Sorry....... what does it mean "can handle videos" ? |
| 11:51.02 | jasson | wols: wrong, you can attach images to email too. |
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| 11:51.14 | a1ien1inux | getting closer with my mount issue, i now have the cryptoloop module and the blowfish module intalled but it still errors with ioctl: LOOP_SET_STATUS: Invalid argument - is there something i am missing? |
| 11:51.17 | a1ien1inux | wols? |
| 11:51.23 | jasson | Gryflhase: attach a video clip. |
| 11:51.26 | xand | jasson: any client that can do attachments then. |
| 11:51.27 | wols | jasson: so you maybe should ask: what email client can handle attachments |
| 11:51.31 | wols | answer: almost all |
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| 11:52.13 | wols | a1ien1inux: is this knoppix? |
| 11:52.19 | jasson | wols: i don't know that 'can handle attachments' means it can handle anything. 8) |
| 11:52.20 | a1ien1inux | wols no |
| 11:52.23 | a1ien1inux | debian |
| 11:52.43 | xand | jasson: well you do now |
| 11:52.44 | a1ien1inux | i am using kubuntu to chroot the debian install to repair grub |
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| 11:52.55 | Gryflhase | jasson: it can attach any file, doesn't depending on the file-content |
| 11:53.04 | jasson | xand: yeah, not too late, is it? |
| 11:53.13 | xand | jasson: I wouldn't go sending huge files by email though |
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| 11:53.25 | a1ien1inux | but either way, this is not a distribution specific question |
| 11:53.26 | wols | alleyoopster: give mount the option loop prehaps |
| 11:53.36 | jasson | anyone uses squirrelmail here? |
| 11:53.44 | wols | also I dunno if you can use -oe... or if you need a space between o and e |
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| 11:53.53 | wols | !tell jasson about anyone |
| 11:53.54 | xand | !anyone |
| 11:53.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:54.04 | xand | jasson: yes, they do, including me :P |
| 11:54.31 | zamuro | dpkg: Kiss me |
| 11:54.35 | jasson | why can't anyone ask question beginning with 'anyone', anyone? :D |
| 11:54.38 | a1ien1inux | wols, i thought that too about the space so i tried it and it gave me the usage, the line was taken from TLDP so i believe it is correct |
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| 11:54.50 | zamuro | !flame jasson |
| 11:54.51 | dpkg | jasson: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
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| 11:55.20 | jasson | wow, even dpkg is profane. |
| 11:55.31 | a1ien1inux | lol |
| 11:55.44 | Gryflhase | jasson: Maybe you have to ask with someone? ;) |
| 11:55.45 | a1ien1inux | !flame alienlinux |
| 11:55.45 | dpkg | alienlinux: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 11:55.49 | a1ien1inux | hehe |
| 11:55.53 | a1ien1inux | sweet |
| 11:56.05 | jasson | :D its fun. |
| 11:56.18 | a1ien1inux | pitty it isn't random |
| 11:56.37 | wols | a1ien1inux: can you mount normal files via loop? |
| 11:56.46 | jasson | !flame zamuro |
| 11:56.46 | dpkg | zamuro: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 11:56.47 | wols | a1ien1inux: do you have a debian kernel? |
| 11:56.55 | wols | !botabuse |
| 11:56.55 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 11:57.02 | zamuro | Stop playing around with the bot. |
| 11:57.03 | jasson | :D |
| 11:57.06 | HardDisk_WP | !fuck? |
| 11:57.06 | dpkg | fuck is, like, cool |
| 11:57.11 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 11:57.12 | wols | HardDisk_WP: stop that |
| 11:57.22 | HardDisk_WP | wols, k |
| 11:57.25 | jasson | !mfsob |
| 11:57.25 | dpkg | mfsob is probably mother fucking son of a bitch |
| 11:57.30 | jasson | :D |
| 11:57.46 | HardDisk_WP | didnt know that one |
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| 11:58.08 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 11:58.13 | jasson | !flame dpkg |
| 11:58.13 | dpkg | dpkg: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 11:58.17 | jasson | :D |
| 11:58.23 | wols | jasson: can you stop that now? |
| 11:58.24 | jasson | stupid |
| 11:58.29 | wols | yes you are. very |
| 11:58.33 | zamuro | jasson: Do you use ubuntu by any chance? |
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| 11:58.45 | Nazcafan | I would like to package the rt61 driver using rt2500-source as a model |
| 11:58.45 | a1ien1inux | wols this machine is a fresh install, whatever debian put there, is there, nothing more, i don't have an iso to mount loop to test it, and besides, -t loop on the encrypted filesystem gives the same result |
| 11:59.08 | helmut | Hi. I currently observe xorg freezes on my system. (Running amd64 unstable xorg with nv driver non-tainted kernel) Could someone with a similar setup help me find the source of the problems? |
| 11:59.28 | Nazcafan | but it needs a binary firmware to work, is it incompatible with the debian legal guidelines ? |
| 11:59.38 | wols | Nazcafan: yes |
| 11:59.51 | zamuro | helmut: Have you read the /etc/X11/ logs? |
| 12:00.05 | Nazcafan | wols: too bad, so I can not package |
| 12:00.06 | Nazcafan | it |
| 12:00.13 | wols | you can |
| 12:00.19 | wols | just that debian can't redistribute it |
| 12:00.41 | a1ien1inux | wols any further thoughts? |
| 12:00.54 | wols | or you write a sdcript that automatically downloads the rt2500 firmware from some website |
| 12:01.06 | wols | a1ien1inux: not really :( |
| 12:01.16 | a1ien1inux | ok, thanks for trying mate |
| 12:01.19 | a1ien1inux | :) |
| 12:01.45 | wols | alleyoopster: you can always make an ISO with mkisofs btw |
| 12:01.49 | wols | doesn't matter what's in there |
| 12:01.59 | wols | or create a file, mkfe.ext2 it and mount it |
| 12:02.00 | Nazcafan | wols and I can put tat script in the package ? |
| 12:02.06 | wols | Nazcafan: yes |
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| 12:02.18 | wols | msttcorefonts worked like this for example |
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| 12:02.25 | wols | you can even automatically call the script in your debconf |
| 12:02.26 | helmut | zamuro: the journal was cleared |
| 12:02.32 | a1ien1inux | is there a way to get grub installed without chrooting? |
| 12:03.11 | helmut | zamuro: uhm. actually only partly. the last interesting line was (EE) DoSwapInterval: cx = 0xd4e630, GLX screen = 0x747bf0 |
| 12:03.12 | wols | alleyoopster: yes. when you load a kernel "kernel root/dev/to/your/root/partition" |
| 12:03.12 | dererk | a1ien1inux, sure |
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| 12:03.22 | dererk | a1ien1inux, use the "grub console" |
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| 12:03.29 | helmut | zamuro: the file ends after the word "Backtrace:" |
| 12:03.41 | dererk | zamuro, Hi Mr B ^.^ |
| 12:03.47 | wols | or make a grub install floppy or a grub install CD |
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| 12:04.07 | foutrelis | :) |
| 12:04.08 | wols | helmut: do you use software glx? |
| 12:04.11 | a1ien1inux | dererk ok, that gave me a grub> prompt |
| 12:04.11 | dererk | believe me, grub console is easier :D |
| 12:04.13 | helmut | wols: yes |
| 12:04.17 | alleyoopster | wols: wols, you have the wrong person |
| 12:04.20 | Nazcafan | wols, that is weird but I won't argue, I am reading this right now : http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/, is there a special doc for making packages that are intended to work with module-assistant ? |
| 12:04.21 | dererk | a1ien1inux, exactly |
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| 12:04.30 | wols | helmut: is that absolutely necessary? |
| 12:04.37 | a1ien1inux | dererk now what? |
| 12:04.40 | helmut | wols: what else could I do? |
| 12:04.47 | dererk | a1ien1inux, there you type: root (hdX,X) |
| 12:05.02 | wols | Nazcafan: dunno |
| 12:05.14 | Nazcafan | wols: ok, thanks anyway for your help |
| 12:05.15 | dererk | a1ien1inux, first X for unit, and the other one for partition of the place where /boot is |
| 12:05.22 | helmut | wols: there are applications that require glx, so I need to provide it in some way. |
| 12:05.24 | dererk | a1ien1inux, then, setup (hdX) |
| 12:05.30 | hark | !helpfile module-assistant |
| 12:05.30 | dpkg | For help with module-assistant, look in /usr/share/doc/module-assistant There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 12:05.33 | hark | Nazcafan: ^ |
| 12:05.58 | dererk | a1ien1inux, you follow me? |
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| 12:06.14 | xerophyte | is the ethereal has been renamed to wireshark ? |
| 12:06.27 | dererk | xerophyte, Yes |
| 12:06.30 | a1ien1inux | dererk so if /boot is on hda1, i do root (dh1,1) ? |
| 12:06.43 | a1ien1inux | s/dh/hd/ |
| 12:06.46 | xerophyte | dererk, why is that just wondering |
| 12:06.48 | dererk | a1ien1inux, no, (hd0,0) |
| 12:06.54 | Nazcafan | hark: thank you |
| 12:06.55 | a1ien1inux | oh ok |
| 12:06.57 | a1ien1inux | ty |
| 12:07.06 | helmut | interestingly I found an older Xorg.log.old containing a segfault. ;-) |
| 12:07.23 | dererk | xerophyte, The developer moved from his work place, and didn't what his old company to have the rights of his product |
| 12:07.34 | dererk | a1ien1inux, good luck |
| 12:07.39 | famir | does any one knows any good bandwidth shaper ? |
| 12:07.50 | alleyoopster | people, I tried asking this earlier, but no joy. Do kernel updates cause problems with nvidia modules or do they get updated with the kernel? |
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| 12:08.01 | wols | famir: iptables |
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| 12:08.08 | dererk | alleyoopster, The property ones, yes |
| 12:08.09 | xerophyte | dererk, that make sense thanks for the info |
| 12:08.17 | wols | alleyoopster: no problems if you use module-assistant |
| 12:08.19 | wols | problems otherwise |
| 12:08.31 | helmut | Would it be a good idea to run xorg with libc6-dbg? |
| 12:08.35 | dererk | alleyoopster, But it's on the other way round, The Nvidia drivers cause problems :) |
| 12:08.52 | a1ien1inux | dererk it says its succeeded, i truely hope so lol, thanks so much man |
| 12:08.58 | alleyoopster | wols: ok cool, so do it the debian way and its all ok. dererk: yes i hear you |
| 12:09.14 | alleyoopster | thanks guys |
| 12:09.15 | Ronin | ok who didnt pay the freenode bill this month? wow its nasty today |
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| 12:09.25 | a1ien1inux | i'll go reboot - fingers crossed, and thanks again :D |
| 12:09.32 | dererk | a1ien1inux, good luck |
| 12:09.32 | wols | Ronin: what is? |
| 12:09.55 | dererk | alleyoopster, module-assistant stuff didn't fail me ever |
| 12:09.57 | Ronin | me trying to stay on freenode since today, since about 0500 my times its been brutal :) |
| 12:10.18 | wols | no problems. must be your ISP/upstream |
| 12:10.31 | alleyoopster | dererk: i wasnt sure how well debian looked after you with non free stuff |
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| 12:11.23 | dererk | alleyoopster, I prefer not using it, but, works ok, as I've seen |
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| 12:12.29 | alleyoopster | dererk: yeah, well if i can get away from not using it i wont, its not for me, so the more stable she is the better. |
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| 12:12.48 | kairu0 | how do i get gaim to blink on the gnome taskbar when someone replies? i have 2.0.0.-beta6 btw |
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| 12:13.35 | dererk | alleyoopster, Sorry, but I missed your point :P |
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| 12:13.41 | iLinux_Alen | <== alienlinux - dererk, i'm back on my box now, it didn't work mate, just sits there with a black screen and the blinking cursor in the top left |
| 12:14.14 | dererk | iLinux_Alen, Huhm :\ |
| 12:14.21 | Gryfie | didn't used anything then apt sio far..... can I choose with aptitude where to install the software? |
| 12:14.22 | dererk | iLinux_Alen, It's strage |
| 12:14.22 | iLinux_Alen | D: |
| 12:14.26 | iLinux_Alen | yeah |
| 12:14.38 | dererk | iLinux_Alen, are you booting from that unit, not from another one? |
| 12:14.38 | iLinux_Alen | maybe i should try another bootloader |
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| 12:14.56 | iLinux_Alen | dererk, don't understand unit |
| 12:15.12 | iLinux_Alen | you mean the primary master hd? |
| 12:15.38 | iLinux_Alen | dererk it has 3 hd's, primary master holds /boot and / |
| 12:15.45 | alleyoopster | dererk: I'll only use nvidia if i have to ie need for 3d. Prefer not to as it is for someone else, less support for me if it is using nv (more stable) |
| 12:16.09 | enouf | iLinux_Alen: try again, but give grub a device <tab><tab> 1st, see what it offers |
| 12:16.30 | iLinux_Alen | enouf ok :} |
| 12:16.33 | dererk | iLinux_Alen, what I meant |
| 12:17.01 | dererk | iLinux_Alen, Is that, if you have more than 1 drive, you could be booting from the other one that does have not the grub |
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| 12:17.14 | ma3x | memtest gives me one error, is that so bad? |
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| 12:18.26 | julius | hi again |
| 12:18.27 | wols | ma3x: yes. buy new ram |
| 12:18.36 | dererk | ma3x, I think yes :\ |
| 12:18.44 | ma3x | wols, why? its just a little error |
| 12:18.46 | liable | ma3x: how many errors do you think programs like when they access memory? |
| 12:18.53 | Gryfie | ok...... xfcecd-install-disk1 DOES install software by default..... I watched this time after 2 times I thought I was unconcentraded :) |
| 12:19.08 | wols | ma3x: which will crash any program that uses this memorycell |
| 12:19.10 | ma3x | anyway, does this ever finishes? |
| 12:19.14 | ma3x | I had it running for 15 hours |
| 12:19.17 | ma3x | then I turned it off |
| 12:19.35 | enouf | ma3x: run test9 see how many you get |
| 12:19.49 | ma3x | enouf, one only |
| 12:20.05 | ma3x | anyway my question - how long does this test need? |
| 12:20.09 | ma3x | 3 days? |
| 12:20.13 | wols | there is no end date |
| 12:20.17 | enouf | you didn't run 9 |
| 12:20.19 | liable | as long as you let it |
| 12:20.23 | dererk | bbl |
| 12:20.31 | liable | the more the better |
| 12:20.49 | ma3x | I let it run a lot about 15 hours |
| 12:20.58 | ma3x | I think it goes till 10 and then starts back from 1 again |
| 12:21.07 | itchi | ma3x: Did you read above? |
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| 12:21.55 | enouf | ma3x: build a known good kernel .. that'll stress those chips ;-) |
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| 12:22.17 | ma3x | eh what do you mean? |
| 12:22.33 | itchi | ma3x: Try to compile somethings havy, it will fail |
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| 12:22.50 | enouf | !sig11 |
| 12:22.51 | dpkg | sig11 is, like, Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 12:23.23 | helmut | wols: question moved to #debian-x on oftc. |
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| 12:23.31 | ma3x | is there such thing like ram not compatible with cpu ? |
| 12:23.39 | ma3x | I used to have 2 x 256 before |
| 12:23.47 | ma3x | I got amd64 cpu |
| 12:23.55 | ma3x | they were originally since I bought the laptop |
| 12:24.00 | ma3x | then I changed them for 2 x 512 |
| 12:24.18 | ma3x | so I am thinking if the old ram was corresponding better to the cpu |
| 12:24.20 | itchi | ma3x: Ask for repair then |
| 12:24.23 | ma3x | or am I inventing stuff here? |
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| 12:24.34 | ma3x | what repair? or ram? |
| 12:24.37 | alleyoopster | talking about hardware faults, my machine starts closing windows down and eractic behavoir when cpu gets to 64 celius, is this definately a CPU fault or could it be something else |
| 12:24.45 | itchi | ma3x: Your laptop, if it's a new one |
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| 12:24.48 | kairu0 | ma3x, ram can be incompatible with the mobo, but not the cpu |
| 12:24.50 | ma3x | itchi, nah 2 years |
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| 12:30.33 | ma3x | kairu0, and if incompatible with the mobo, will it show errors like this? |
| 12:30.34 | wols | kairu0: amd64 CPUs have the memory controller inside the CPU not the chipset |
| 12:30.35 | wols | ma3x: no. it just won't work then |
| 12:30.35 | ma3x | ok, so since the ram works (computer boots, stuff works ... etc) it's okay |
| 12:30.35 | ma3x | I just imagine that it's incompatible |
| 12:30.35 | kairu0 | wols, i stand corrected |
| 12:30.35 | wols | no it's not incompatible and it's not okay either |
| 12:30.35 | ma3x | anyway, I've got to find out which ram's the faulty |
| 12:30.36 | itchi | ma3x: Try with only one at a time |
| 12:30.36 | ma3x | should I pull out one of the rams and then run memtest? |
| 12:30.37 | itchi | ma3x: yes |
| 12:30.38 | ma3x | directly #9 ? |
| 12:30.38 | itchi | ma3x: And if the first give error, still try with the second too |
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| 12:30.38 | ma3x | yeah, what pisses me off is that I have to unscrew about 15 screw drivers to pull out just one ram |
| 12:30.39 | ma3x | it's all together hdd, cpu, ram .... |
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| 12:30.39 | ma3x | some laptops have separate places for everything |
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| 12:30.40 | itchi | ma3x: Some sucks more, some lesser, and that's with everything :-) |
| 12:30.41 | ma3x | anyway, when you buy a ram they have life warranty right? |
| 12:30.41 | itchi | ma3x: Yes |
| 12:30.41 | ma3x | the problem is I don't remember where I bought the ram |
| 12:30.41 | itchi | ma3x: Maybe look for Kingston |
| 12:30.41 | ma3x | but I see it's kingston |
| 12:30.41 | kairu0 | what do you all recommend for debian laptops? |
| 12:30.41 | itchi | ma3x: That's life guaranty AFAIK |
| 12:30.43 | itchi | kairu0: Thinkpad? Not that i have one, but heard some good things about it ... |
| 12:30.43 | ma3x | itchi, so is there a place where kingston receives the faulty rams |
| 12:30.43 | ma3x | or gotta return it to the shop where i bought it? |
| 12:30.46 | itchi | ma3x: Go there, yes |
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| 12:30.54 | itchi | ma3x: ... if your sure it's broken |
| 12:30.55 | ma3x | itchi, I live a country far away from there |
| 12:31.16 | itchi | ma3x: Take contact with the kingston company |
| 12:31.19 | itchi | s/kingston/kingstong/ |
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| 12:31.20 | kairu0 | itchi, i like thinkpads too, but they dont have the glossy lcds, i think |
| 12:31.20 | ma3x | ok |
| 12:31.44 | itchi | kairu0: I have a Toshiba Satellite A110-178. I'm very happy of it. It's the 2de motherboard btw |
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| 12:32.05 | itchi | But that's cause i have sad chances, some time ... |
| 12:32.06 | alienlinux | ok, i'm in grub console again |
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| 12:32.32 | alienlinux | did device<tab><tab> and it says - Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist |
| 12:32.54 | liable | which bit of grub command line? |
| 12:33.14 | liable | you need 'root <tab> |
| 12:33.16 | liable | ' |
| 12:33.20 | alienlinux | liable from a live cd doing grub console |
| 12:33.39 | kairu0 | itchi, how is the noise from it? |
| 12:33.40 | alienlinux | liable i have allready done root(hd0,0) |
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| 12:34.02 | itchi | kairu0: How so? |
| 12:34.06 | liable | alienlinux: then do 'setup (hd0) |
| 12:34.07 | liable | ' |
| 12:34.19 | liable | quit |
| 12:34.23 | liable | reboot |
| 12:34.30 | alienlinux | i allready did |
| 12:34.35 | alienlinux | didn't work |
| 12:34.36 | itchi | kairu0: Motherboard had die after 3 months, but got a very good support, replaced in 7 days, without moving my ass :-) |
| 12:34.39 | Salah | hey guys |
| 12:34.40 | rpc | how do you use losetup to create a device that represents whole disk and not particular partition on it? |
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| 12:34.54 | alienlinux | thats why someone told me to do device<tab><tab> |
| 12:34.56 | rpc | i mean the disk is a raw disk image |
| 12:35.01 | Salah | i lost my lilo |
| 12:35.06 | kairu0 | itchi, i mean is it loud? do the fans freak out occasionally? |
| 12:35.12 | eps | what is an application that will detail with multimedia keyboard inputs (that isn't command line) |
| 12:35.13 | liable | never heard of the device cmd for grub |
| 12:35.18 | Salah | and now it booting and can see linux |
| 12:35.22 | itchi | kairu0: No, no problems at all here |
| 12:35.28 | Salah | it cant |
| 12:35.44 | alienlinux | liable i don't know, i'm just totally lost now :( |
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| 12:35.44 | Salah | what can i do |
| 12:35.54 | kairu0 | itchi, cool. my last toshiba was quite noisy due to the fans, but maybe theyve gotten better |
| 12:35.54 | onur | Hi. Can i convert ps files to html? |
| 12:36.06 | enouf | alienlinux: i did |
| 12:36.07 | alienlinux | it says it was successful but it doesn't work |
| 12:36.12 | enouf | device tab |
| 12:36.27 | itchi | kairu0: Honnesty, this is very very very still, i never hear him, it's a duo too |
| 12:36.35 | liable | alienlinux: its valid, but i dont have grub info docs installed and the man page doesnt say, |
| 12:36.48 | alienlinux | enouf oh yeah, sorry, couldn't check, the monitor is on here now |
| 12:36.54 | kairu0 | itchi, hows the video chipset? |
| 12:37.05 | alienlinux | enouf: so what no? |
| 12:37.09 | alienlinux | now* |
| 12:37.17 | enouf | alienlinux: or start with device (hd0) <tab> |
| 12:37.27 | alienlinux | k |
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| 12:37.43 | indraveni | hi |
| 12:37.43 | itchi | kairu0: It's a 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) Not that great at this stage in GNU/Linux. 3D is not that speed as in MS |
| 12:37.52 | enouf | alienlinux: if not working use-> device (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 12:37.53 | liable | ya, device (hd<tab> |
| 12:38.04 | indraveni | I need help in debian package building for one of my package |
| 12:38.33 | indraveni | I creates a package name bossblue, and the debian package is also created successfully |
| 12:38.41 | itchi | kairu0: In some games, the 'reflections' have some rainbow colors. But that's a driver issue |
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| 12:39.04 | alienlinux | enouf: it looks like there is only 0,1 - i'll try that and reboot? |
| 12:39.05 | ma3x | itchi, yesterday I compiled mplayer, it completed without error. that means memory's fine |
| 12:39.14 | itchi | ma3x: no |
| 12:39.19 | indraveni | under the debain folder of my package, a folder with the name of my file is also created which showd the status of my installation, like all the files are copied into their respective folders or not |
| 12:39.30 | indraveni | and all are copied well |
| 12:39.31 | liable | ma3x: you try and convince yourself that |
| 12:39.33 | itchi | ma3x: I not think it's that heavy |
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| 12:40.21 | enouf | alienlinux: that would mean hda2 though .. this is not grub2 right? |
| 12:40.22 | ma3x | what heavy? |
| 12:40.23 | itchi | ma3x: Try gcc or a kernel :-) |
| 12:40.24 | ma3x | ok what should I compile then? |
| 12:40.24 | ma3x | nah, with kernel im not messing |
| 12:40.24 | itchi | ma3x: Or better, memtest :-p |
| 12:40.24 | indraveni | including the 20_bossblue file under my /usr/share/gconf/defaults, which is created using the dh_gconf command in rules |
| 12:40.24 | indraveni | file |
| 12:40.25 | ma3x | tell me something else to compiole |
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| 12:40.27 | enouf | alienlinux: but you might have a small hidden partition leftover from wintendo install? |
| 12:40.30 | indraveni | but when I am installing that package, the 20_bossblue file is not copied into the /su/share/gconf/defaults folder |
| 12:40.31 | itchi | ma3x: heh, or learn how to ... heh |
| 12:40.37 | liable | indraveni: he ran it, it gave an error, now he is convincing himself its only a small error, so its obviously ok |
| 12:40.38 | indraveni | what may the reasons for this? |
| 12:40.46 | liable | itchi: ^^^ |
| 12:40.54 | liable | itchi: sorry wrong nick |
| 12:40.59 | itchi | liable: Yeah :-) |
| 12:40.59 | liable | gah!!! |
| 12:41.03 | ma3x | itchi, how to what? |
| 12:41.04 | itchi | liable: I have followed :-) |
| 12:41.09 | indraveni | liable, I dint get you |
| 12:41.13 | itchi | ma3x: Did your remove a RAM? |
| 12:41.16 | alienlinux | enouf: its grub is whatever debian installed, i dunno what wintendo is, hda1 is /boot, hda2is / |
| 12:41.21 | itchi | indraveni: Sorry, he meaned me |
| 12:41.22 | liable | indraveni: wrong nick, sorry |
| 12:41.30 | ma3x | itchi, im trying first to install the program I had yesterday that gave error |
| 12:41.30 | enouf | alienlinux: ok |
| 12:41.32 | indraveni | ok itchi liable |
| 12:41.37 | enouf | alienlinux: it's not grub2 then ;-) |
| 12:41.42 | ma3x | liable, but it says error size 0 bytes |
| 12:41.42 | alienlinux | ok |
| 12:41.45 | ma3x | memtest said that |
| 12:41.46 | indraveni | can some one tell me, where I am doing wrong , please |
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| 12:42.04 | itchi | ma3x: Pastebin your complete error?? |
| 12:42.22 | ma3x | itchi, I can't write everything down, there's so much detail in memtest |
| 12:42.29 | liable | ma3x: its still an error. that program is known to be a good test for memory |
| 12:42.39 | itchi | ma3x: Take your time :-p |
| 12:42.51 | ma3x | does memtest make screenshot or something |
| 12:42.53 | alienlinux | enouf: when i do device (hd0,1) it says grub> 15: File not found |
| 12:43.02 | enouf | alienlinux: device should be only hd0 or hd1 or ..no other 0,1,2,3 (partiiton) numbers |
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| 12:43.11 | alienlinux | it does that for any of the iterations i have tried |
| 12:43.21 | enouf | alienlinux: use-> device (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 12:43.22 | itchi | ma3x: Take a shoot or soo? |
| 12:43.43 | ma3x | im not sure i understnad u |
| 12:43.48 | enouf | alienlinux: use-> device (hd0) /dev/h<tab> <-- see if it completes |
| 12:43.48 | itchi | kairu0: The keyboard is not that great btw |
| 12:43.56 | alienlinux | yeah it did :) |
| 12:44.04 | enouf | ok .. now do the root |
| 12:44.21 | enouf | alienlinux: which is hd0,1 |
| 12:47.07 | Salah | wht can i do guys i lost the bootloder |
| 12:47.07 | enouf | alienlinux: root (hd0,1) |
| 12:47.07 | alienlinux | ok, done |
| 12:47.07 | itchi | Salah: Reinstall grub |
| 12:47.08 | enouf | alienlinux: now do setup (hd0) |
| 12:47.08 | hatter | I just recompiled a kernel on a box with s/w raid, added just one thing, but it wont boot. something i have to do with initrd when recompiling a box with s/w raid ? |
| 12:47.08 | Salah | form the cd |
| 12:47.08 | Salah | ? |
| 12:47.08 | Salah | itchi, haa ?? |
| 12:47.09 | Salah | form debian first cd ? |
| 12:47.09 | itchi | Salah: Yeah, take a live cd or so |
| 12:47.09 | alienlinux | enouf: it says - 17: Cannot mount selected partition |
| 12:47.09 | Salah | no it is etch 4 |
| 12:47.10 | enouf | Salah: can follow what we're doing above using grub shell (easy) or use a livecd and chroot and install grub |
| 12:47.10 | enouf | alienlinux: cryptoloop partition or somesuch? |
| 12:47.11 | Salah | anylive cd ? |
| 12:47.12 | alienlinux | enouf: yes |
| 12:47.12 | itchi | Salah: Try /msg dpkg listvalues grub |
| 12:47.13 | enouf | alienlinux: i was afraid of that .. not sure how to get around/through that .. sorry .. see grub manual maybe |
| 12:47.15 | alienlinux | thanks man |
| 12:47.27 | enouf | no prob |
| 12:48.03 | itchi | Salah: That showed you some stuff. Look for that grubrecover /msg dpkg grubrecover |
| 12:48.39 | enouf | alienlinux: there's a #grub channel here, but you may have to be quite patient ;-) |
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| 12:48.55 | alienlinux | good idea, ty :) |
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| 12:49.12 | alienlinux | little hope is better than none enouf lol |
| 12:49.19 | enouf | alienlinux: be sure to let them know what you've already tried / done |
| 12:49.24 | enouf | true dat |
| 12:49.42 | alienlinux | will do, and again, thanks for your time people |
| 12:49.42 | itchi | alienlinux: Not take it bad. s/lol/buahaha/ |
| 12:49.52 | enouf | alienlinux: and the cryptoloop thing might be an important bit of info ;-P |
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| 12:49.57 | ma3x | hey itchi why this faulty ram thing happens to me? |
| 12:50.11 | itchi | ma3x: Why do i not have many money?? |
| 12:50.13 | itchi | ra ra ra |
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| 12:50.22 | hatter | does 2.6.18 now use intiramfs ? |
| 12:50.27 | ma3x | itchi, that me niether |
| 12:50.27 | enouf | yep |
| 12:50.28 | liable | ma3x: because you were bad in a past life |
| 12:50.32 | alienlinux | enouf almost certainly, sorry i didn't mention tht earlier, i did much earlier but not to you |
| 12:50.39 | ma3x | liable, why not happen to you?! |
| 12:50.42 | enouf | hatter: IINM, all after .16 do |
| 12:50.54 | liable | ma3x: oh, dont worry, i have my share of bad luck |
| 12:50.58 | enouf | alienlinux: no prob |
| 12:51.04 | ma3x | liable, like what? |
| 12:51.06 | hatter | enouf: thx |
| 12:51.10 | itchi | ma3x: I have a box with broken ram too |
| 12:51.21 | ma3x | itchi, that's great! |
| 12:51.22 | enouf | hatter: /msg dpkg dbse |
| 12:51.31 | itchi | ma3x: So give me money, and it will be fixed :-) |
| 12:51.36 | ma3x | itchi, how soon did it brake? |
| 12:51.49 | itchi | ma3x: Dunno, that box is 8 years old :-) |
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| 12:51.57 | ma3x | but I don't understand you buy a computer and it breaks |
| 12:51.57 | ma3x | why? |
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| 12:52.02 | ma3x | it should last eternal |
| 12:52.11 | ma3x | or at least 20-30 years |
| 12:52.18 | indu | hello, any body there to tell me, whats wrong in my compilation please |
| 12:52.20 | liable | yeah.. |
| 12:52.22 | enouf | ma3x: pour it in a footing full of cement |
| 12:52.50 | enouf | ma3x: name you lappy "hoffa" |
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| 12:53.03 | Ronin | heh |
| 12:53.05 | ma3x | what's hoffa? |
| 12:53.08 | itchi | ma3x: Anyway, it's kingstong, so it will be fixed |
| 12:53.22 | Ronin | ma3x: jimmy hoffa, union leader who disappered |
| 12:53.45 | omri | what are the advantages of compiling a deb-src package? |
| 12:53.46 | ma3x | Ronin, what's union ? where the black people work? |
| 12:53.55 | Ronin | ma3x: google him |
| 12:54.09 | Ronin | teamsters though not the naacp |
| 12:54.18 | ma3x | itchi, it will be fixed, but kingston says obtain RMA (paper procedure) and I dont have printer |
| 12:54.21 | bugster | when i install perl modules via cpan -ar will they interfere with the debian way of packagin in any way ? |
| 12:54.25 | ma3x | then I should mail the ram to the UK |
| 12:54.34 | ma3x | that would probably cost me about $20 |
| 12:54.44 | itchi | ma3x: Well, i dunno :-) |
| 12:54.47 | xoz | omri: what kind of advantage are you talking? |
| 12:55.22 | itchi | ma3x: Normally, in the guaranty, transport are take for free |
| 12:55.36 | rpc | can you setup a loop in the way so whole disk image is represented by /dev/loopx? and not just ONE partition of it |
| 12:55.40 | omri | why would one like to compile his own package from source? |
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| 12:55.49 | Sativouf | p |
| 12:55.50 | ma3x | itchi, yeah guess what - if I live on mont everest they'll come with a chopper and take that little piece of shit |
| 12:55.56 | ma3x | 'for free' |
| 12:56.07 | enouf | rpc: yes you can, but it's a pin |
| 12:56.10 | enouf | er pain |
| 12:56.14 | rpc | enouf hm |
| 12:56.17 | enouf | rpc: you need offsets |
| 12:56.22 | rpc | enouf i got them |
| 12:56.24 | Salah | how to know my hd mounted points ? |
| 12:56.31 | Salah | df ????? |
| 12:56.33 | itchi | Salah: mount |
| 12:56.38 | Salah | i know |
| 12:56.45 | itchi | heh |
| 12:56.49 | Salah | i want to see my deb |
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| 12:56.53 | power | hi |
| 12:56.56 | enouf | rpc: hold a sec |
| 12:56.57 | xoz | omri: that's a relative choice. it is like asking do you like red or yellow. it depends on what you prefer. try it if you want to know. |
| 12:56.58 | power | i need default source.list file |
| 12:57.02 | itchi | Salah: cat /proc/partitions |
| 12:57.02 | power | for etch* |
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| 12:57.09 | Salah | thnx |
| 12:57.11 | rpc | enouf assuming that i got all the offsets caclulated.. how do i use losetup to create ONE device for ALL partitions? |
| 12:57.19 | rpc | that's exactly what i'm trying to do now |
| 12:57.36 | rpc | enouf for now i need to losetup for devices which sux0rs :) |
| 12:57.41 | rpc | four* |
| 12:58.09 | Salah | itchi, you really awsome man |
| 12:58.11 | Salah | thnx |
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| 12:58.25 | rpc | enouf other words i need that raw image to be represented by single loop device so i can mount it in vmware as physical disk |
| 12:58.32 | enouf | rpc: my bad .. you can do it, but not on one loop device |
| 12:58.40 | rpc | enouf hm |
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| 12:59.21 | itchi | Salah: You not maybe?? :-) |
| 12:59.23 | rpc | confusing |
| 12:59.34 | Salah | lool |
| 12:59.44 | rpc | enouf i have a raw disk image and i can't find a way of telling the system that it's a device |
| 12:59.49 | rpc | must be possible |
| 12:59.51 | Salah | no no it is true man |
| 13:00.05 | Salah | you really expert |
| 13:00.19 | dererk | bbl |
| 13:00.23 | itchi | Salah: Not yet, and the others here still know it ;-) |
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| 13:00.25 | rpc | enouf perhaps i would need another tool than losetup? |
| 13:00.35 | Salah | lol |
| 13:00.53 | itchi | Salah: Look s/lol/buahaha/ ;-) and follow it please ;-) |
| 13:01.00 | itchi | !lol |
| 13:01.00 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 13:01.19 | rpc | i prefer "he he" |
| 13:01.22 | rpc | heh is lame |
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| 13:01.47 | demoan | rpc: you're lame ;f |
| 13:02.00 | rpc | demoan i never said i wasn't |
| 13:02.07 | demoan | annoing is fucking around 'way of expressing emotions on irc" |
| 13:02.10 | itchi | rpc: Depend, heh is more when it is a short laugh |
| 13:02.17 | demoan | let him be |
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| 13:02.20 | rpc | itchi hm yes true |
| 13:02.28 | power | whats the default source.list file of etch ? |
| 13:02.32 | rpc | itchi but then hah is better |
| 13:02.39 | concept10 | yehaw |
| 13:02.47 | demoan | power: try dpkg-reconfigure dpkg |
| 13:02.50 | rpc | concept10 that's indian style ;) |
| 13:02.51 | liable | redneck :P |
| 13:02.58 | rpc | lol liable |
| 13:02.59 | demoan | power: or apt-get |
| 13:03.10 | rpc | oops s/lol/hah |
| 13:03.15 | rpc | lmao ;) |
| 13:03.25 | concept10 | laof! |
| 13:03.31 | concept10 | (lips are on fire) |
| 13:03.32 | rpc | err laof? |
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| 13:03.39 | itchi | power: See /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 13:03.53 | rpc | he he |
| 13:04.03 | doudou | hi, i have iceweasel, but when i create a new tab i have blank page and not last one, how to change that? |
| 13:04.18 | itchi | doudou: In the preferences of that app |
| 13:04.30 | rpc | demoan speaking of lameness... any clues how to create a new device in the system using raw image? |
| 13:04.31 | concept10 | i dont think it does that |
| 13:04.33 | liable | good question.. |
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| 13:05.01 | itchi | doudou: The last what? |
| 13:05.22 | demoan | rpc: man dd |
| 13:05.22 | alleyoopster | doudou i use tab mix plus plugin. possible with this |
| 13:05.33 | concept10 | I think he means Open this page in a new tab |
| 13:05.36 | rpc | demoan i don't think you understood my question |
| 13:05.40 | demoan | rpc: create device? |
| 13:05.42 | demoan | yes maybe |
| 13:05.42 | doudou | when i am on ebay, if a create a new tab, it starts from blank and not from ebay |
| 13:05.52 | demoan | rpc: to create device.. mknod |
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| 13:05.58 | liable | how do you create the tab? |
| 13:06.09 | alleyoopster | doudou: load new tabs = duplicate page |
| 13:06.12 | rpc | demoan imagine it like losetup but it should work for WHOLE image, not a single partition selected with offset |
| 13:06.15 | Salah | yup i live again |
| 13:06.18 | itchi | doudou: Right click on a link and select 'Open link in new tab' or whatever |
| 13:06.18 | demoan | rpc: to mount device using raw image of some kind of disk? mount with loop option |
| 13:06.24 | doudou | it does not duplicate pages for me |
| 13:06.30 | power | ok now im sure something wrong with my network. i get 403 from all mirrors |
| 13:06.45 | rpc | demoan let's say i create /dev/shit |
| 13:06.54 | rpc | demoan how do i connect disk image with /dev/shit then? |
| 13:06.57 | itchi | doudou: It's normal, it's a new 'window' |
| 13:07.19 | alleyoopster | doudou: can you not use an extension? |
| 13:07.19 | rpc | demoan so i can e.g. list partitions using fdisk -l /dev/shit ? |
| 13:07.21 | demoan | rpc: dont get it still.. what for? |
| 13:07.25 | liable | rpc: you dont, you mount it on a mount point, not a dev point |
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| 13:07.28 | demoan | use loop device |
| 13:07.34 | demoan | instead of shit |
| 13:07.35 | rpc | liable i need it on dev point |
| 13:07.37 | liable | rpc: creating /dev/shit is tupid |
| 13:07.49 | liable | rpc: why? |
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| 13:07.55 | demoan | rpc: ;f i said.. dev/loopX |
| 13:07.57 | rpc | i want to mount the disk image in vmware as physical disk |
| 13:08.01 | doudou | alleyoopster, i dont want to install things i dont know from where they come |
| 13:08.09 | itchi | power: Look for the 403 error message ;-) |
| 13:08.19 | rpc | demoan and you don't get it... losetup will allow just one partition of that image, not whole disk.. |
| 13:08.22 | demoan | rpc: vmware has it's own app to do so.. |
| 13:08.27 | alleyoopster | doudou: ok fair enough |
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| 13:08.35 | doudou | alleyoopster, it is enought difficult with guenuine packages, so add plugs ins |
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| 13:08.43 | rpc | demoan what app? it's for mounting on host.. |
| 13:08.56 | demoan | ;f i don't know then.. |
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| 13:09.10 | power | itchi, lol my squid on the gateway. |
| 13:09.24 | alleyoopster | doudou: let me see if it is poss without |
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| 13:09.42 | itchi | power: s/lol/buahaha/ ;-) |
| 13:09.47 | doudou | itchi, i did not find anything to change this in preferences |
| 13:09.48 | rpc | liable so is there a way to "mount" a disk image on dev point? |
| 13:10.03 | rpc | must be possible... |
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| 13:10.15 | Tenkawa | Anyone got any idea whats going on with the php5 packages in unstable? |
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| 13:10.25 | Tenkawa | are they fouled up for all of you too? |
| 13:10.37 | doudou | i think before firefox did this by default |
| 13:10.38 | ma3x | a few months ago I was able to find the source of monkeys-audio (mac). I googled for 2 days, nothing now |
| 13:10.42 | ma3x | just some silly patches |
| 13:10.53 | ma3x | is there a site that stores stuff like this |
| 13:10.55 | alleyoopster | doudou: i think opera did |
| 13:10.55 | rpc | ma3x there is no source of monkeys-audio afaik |
| 13:10.58 | doudou | ie do this from begining |
| 13:11.00 | rpc | and never was |
| 13:11.01 | ma3x | sourceforge suspended its site |
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| 13:11.19 | rpc | ma3x when did mac go opensource? |
| 13:11.21 | alleyoopster | doudou: i dont see a way with firefox without extra help |
| 13:11.24 | ma3x | rpc, port whatever, I remember compiling it in linux |
| 13:11.27 | ma3x | or installing it |
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| 13:11.36 | abrotman | ma3x: freshmeat ? |
| 13:11.44 | rpc | ma3x more like installing it i believe |
| 13:12.00 | doudou | alleyoopster, should be possible, there is a menu of options with firefox, dont remmember how to activate it |
| 13:12.04 | ma3x | its not on freshmeat |
| 13:12.05 | rpc | ma3x i have been following lossless for a long time and mac was always closed source |
| 13:12.55 | alleyoopster | doudou: well good luck, i dont see it |
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| 13:12.57 | doudou | alleyoopster, it is a keyword like about: |
| 13:13.17 | ma3x | rpc, then what was this : http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/mac-port/ ? |
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| 13:13.44 | alleyoopster | doudou: unless its in about:config |
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| 13:14.43 | abrotman | ma3x: an invalid project |
| 13:14.52 | ma3x | abrotman, it existed a few months ago! |
| 13:15.18 | doudou | alleyoopster, yes about:config, let see if there is an option for me |
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| 13:16.34 | ma3x | abrotman, I believe u |
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| 13:18.01 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:18.01 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:18.01 | ma3x | abrotman, come on don't begin |
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| 13:18.05 | ma3x | anyway there is a java script to decompress .ape |
| 13:18.11 | ma3x | on sourceforge |
| 13:18.32 | itchi | Heh, i'm Dutch :-p |
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| 13:18.44 | xoz | ma3x: http://www.macports.org/ |
| 13:18.55 | abrotman | sf is hiring |
| 13:18.56 | alleyoopster | i bought my car from Holland |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:19.16 | cahoot | daf? |
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| 13:20.17 | ma3x | xoz, that's something completly different |
| 13:21.43 | ma3x | itchi, check http://gimpel.gi.funpic.de/wiki/index.php?title=Howto:convert_ape_to_wav/mp3/ogg_on_Linux |
| 13:21.57 | ma3x | you see, it was available for compiling |
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| 13:24.43 | ma3x | itchi, I googled but I couldn't find that file that was offered on sourceforge. is there a way to find it? |
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| 13:25.46 | nakee | does anyone have experience with installing glibc 2.5? |
| 13:25.56 | xand | !anyone |
| 13:25.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 13:27.15 | ebbs | Im searching for a package I once had installed on my Computer, but I cant find it anymore. Are there other possibilities to find a repository of a certain package than apt-get.org? |
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| 13:28.16 | abrotman | ma3x: is this program in debian ? |
| 13:28.40 | abrotman | ebbs: packages.debian.org/apt-get.org/backports.org .. do you know what it was called ? |
| 13:28.41 | mynullvoid | I tried to use php pear using mysql, but I am getting error: Warning: loadclass(MDB2/Driver/mysql.php) [function.loadclass]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/php/MDB2.php on line 330 |
| 13:29.03 | ebbs | abrotman, xserver-xgl |
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| 13:29.09 | ma3x | abrotman, its executable was called 'mac' |
| 13:29.21 | ma3x | abrotman, for all linuxes I guess |
| 13:29.34 | ebbs | ma3x take apt-file to find out... |
| 13:29.44 | itchi | ma3x: I dunno about that monkey thing |
| 13:29.47 | nyty | hi |
| 13:29.54 | Justin | mynullvoid: install mdb2? |
| 13:29.56 | nyty | please i want to execute my script under root if i`m user |
| 13:30.00 | nyty | same as passwd script |
| 13:30.01 | nyty | how to do it ? |
| 13:30.07 | HymnToLife | sudo ? |
| 13:30.12 | nyty | no |
| 13:30.13 | mynullvoid | Justin: what's the package name? |
| 13:30.15 | nyty | suid |
| 13:30.15 | abrotman | ma3x: but not packaged for debian ... |
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| 13:30.19 | nyty | dont want the password |
| 13:30.20 | ma3x | abrotman, nope |
| 13:30.22 | nyty | same as passwd |
| 13:30.25 | Justin | mynullvoid: install it with pear? |
| 13:30.29 | abrotman | ma3x: then ask elsewhere |
| 13:30.34 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 13:30.34 | dpkg | hmm... xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 13:30.37 | abrotman | ebbs: maybe there ? |
| 13:30.43 | itchi | ebbs: You can make a package of installed stuff |
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| 13:30.52 | mynullvoid | is't sqlrelay-mdb ? |
| 13:30.53 | ma3x | why is kde in stable when it has some bugs ? |
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| 13:30.57 | nyty | -rw>>>s<<<r-xr-x 1 root root 34888 2007-02-27 20:13 passwd |
| 13:31.00 | for2 | which one is the "best" open source file recovery program? |
| 13:31.02 | nyty | how to do the s flag |
| 13:31.07 | mynullvoid | Justin: please guide how can I install mdb2 via pear |
| 13:31.10 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 13:31.10 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 13:31.12 | abrotman | nyty: ^^ |
| 13:31.24 | nyty | it`s only mount script |
| 13:31.30 | nyty | it`s not dangerous |
| 13:31.31 | nyty | ;-) |
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| 13:32.01 | Justin | mynullvoid: http://pear.php.net/manual/en/installation.cli.php |
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| 13:32.12 | ebbs | itchi, how to make this exactly, I know a computer, on which it is installed. |
| 13:32.34 | itchi | ebbs: I never did it, but do an apt-cache search ^dpkg |
| 13:32.36 | ebbs | abrotman, thx |
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| 13:33.22 | Gryfie | What exactly means this blacklisting of devices and what f***** programm does it? |
| 13:33.43 | nyty | please how to do +s flag :| |
| 13:33.44 | nyty | please |
| 13:33.46 | Gryfie | I guess it's that a programm things a device makes trouble |
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| 13:33.57 | Salah | how to save edted file by vi ? |
| 13:34.02 | ebbs | itchi, k |
| 13:34.02 | abrotman | !tell nyty about permissions |
| 13:34.04 | abrotman | nyty: go erad |
| 13:34.05 | abrotman | read |
| 13:34.10 | Salah | how to save ? |
| 13:34.13 | HymnToLife | Salah, ZZ |
| 13:34.15 | nyty | thx |
| 13:34.21 | itchi | ebbs: Try that dpkg-repack and you will see :-) |
| 13:34.22 | cahoot | Salah: :w, run vimtutor |
| 13:34.34 | Salah | exit ? |
| 13:34.40 | Salah | how to exit ? |
| 13:34.43 | abrotman | :wq |
| 13:34.49 | ebbs | itchi, thx |
| 13:34.49 | HymnToLife | that will exist saving the file |
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| 13:34.56 | HymnToLife | (given you're in command mode) |
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| 13:35.17 | mynullvoid | Justin: I tried pear install MDB2_Driver_mysql; but got error; pear/MDB2_Driver_mysql requires package "pear/MDB2" (version >= 2.4.0), installed version is 2.3.0 |
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| 13:36.59 | alleyoopster | i have a fresh install etch on laptop, but gnome reports computer fails to suspend of i try? why is this? |
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| 13:38.09 | hark | are you part of the powerdev group? |
| 13:38.41 | alleyoopster | yes |
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| 13:39.08 | hark | or rather how are you trying to suspend? |
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| 13:39.36 | alleyoopster | laptop btn suspend |
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| 13:40.03 | alleyoopster | or right click on pwr mng suspend |
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| 13:41.11 | _fr33man_ | can anyone recommend me a really nice debian bootsplash theme? :) |
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| 13:42.31 | alleyoopster | hibernate seems to work surprisingly |
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| 13:44.38 | itchi | !tell andre -about root |
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| 13:45.54 | arejay | so i have this process that won't die on a kill -9 any other signals i could send to force it to quit |
| 13:45.56 | arejay | 31694 ? DLl 6:24 rhythmbox |
| 13:45.59 | doudou | I got how to have copy of a page in a new tab |
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| 13:46.46 | doudou | you first create a new tab, go to last url, take the adress and drop it in the new tab |
| 13:47.02 | doudou | not very nice, but efficient |
| 13:47.14 | Sebboh | hi. I'm on unstable.. I have added lines for 'testing' to my apt/sources.list so that I can grab php-pear/5.2.0-10.. In unstable, only 5.2.0-11 is availble, but it has unmet dependencies.. Well, how do I install the version from testing? apt-get install php-pear/5.2.0.10 returned 'release not found'. |
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| 13:47.36 | abrotman | arejay: you're stuck with it :) |
| 13:47.46 | xand | arejay: reboot |
| 13:47.48 | abrotman | arejay: kill the PPID if possible maybe |
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| 13:48.05 | Sebboh | Unless the parent is init. ;) |
| 13:48.25 | arejay | abrotman: whats the PPID? |
| 13:48.28 | arejay | oh. |
| 13:48.33 | itchi | Wohooo, Bean on the TV :-) |
| 13:48.39 | arejay | Parent Process.. |
| 13:49.33 | alleyoopster | erm got suspend to work by removing package uswsusp |
| 13:49.41 | arejay | UID PID PPID C SZ RSS PSR STIME TTY STAT TIME CMD |
| 13:49.42 | arejay | rj 31694 1 3 50769 50276 0 06:33 ? DLl 6:24 rhythmbox |
| 13:49.47 | arejay | guess that means init. |
| 13:49.49 | arejay | SUNEVA |
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| 13:50.12 | abrotman | oh .. don't kill PPID on that one :) |
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| 13:50.31 | jeef | anyone in here using pureftpd with an ldap backend? |
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| 13:50.44 | Sebboh | !ask |
| 13:50.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:50.49 | alleyoopster | now resume is a black screen, any ideas? |
| 13:50.51 | jeef | sebboh, seriously. |
| 13:51.04 | Ronin | they are serious jeef |
| 13:51.04 | abrotman | jeef: more details would help |
| 13:51.26 | abrotman | jeef: "Hi, i'm trying to use proftpd with an ldap backend, and noone can login correctly" ..etc |
| 13:51.37 | jeef | at any rate, i'm curious if there's an easy way to debug if pureftpd is hitting the ldap server or not. of course, that's if anyone's around that is using it, if not it'd be useless to bother asking... |
| 13:52.01 | abrotman | you can set the LDAP server to verbose logging usually |
| 13:52.09 | abrotman | or check the netstat if running over tcp |
| 13:52.16 | jeef | so i should be debugging on the ldap side, that'd be easier you think? |
| 13:52.34 | abrotman | seems it'd be quicker to find out :) |
| 13:52.37 | Sebboh | jeef, just because I don't use it doesn't mean that I couldn't suggest you check the ldap logs in /var/logs.. Yeah, you'd have to enable logging maybe, as abrotman said. |
| 13:53.13 | Sebboh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.17 | Sebboh | abrotman: how can I install yesterday's version of some package? Today's version isn't ready yet.. unmet deps. That's fine.. I'd like to install the old one and then upgrade when the new one is ready. |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:54.56 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 13:55.44 | jeef | hmm.. |
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| 13:56.09 | xoz | sdn ~= s/laregly/largely/ |
| 13:56.15 | xoz | !sdn ~= s/laregly/largely/ |
| 13:56.25 | Sebboh | abrotman: um, hmm, the package I want is testing. I can see it. I'm on unstable, but I just added testing sources to sources.list. Now what? |
| 13:56.38 | vin` | Sebboh: if you had the earlier version installed, check /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:57.13 | abrotman | xoz: problems ? |
| 13:57.23 | xoz | abrotman: got it |
| 13:57.28 | xoz | !sdn |
| 13:57.28 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 13:57.29 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:00.05 | nakee | xand, it was the real question I want to know if anyone installed it, and it's usable |
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| 14:02.36 | ebbs | ok, next problem. xserver starts with xgl, but when it starts I cant see anything. Im sure its running. I think the problem is my monitor. It only has got a digital input, and when starting xgl the signal breaks and it doesnt come back, Is this a known problem or have I configured sth in the wrong way? |
| 14:02.45 | abrotman | nakee: isn't that still in experimental ? |
| 14:02.48 | abrotman | !info libc6 si |
| 14:02.50 | abrotman | !info libc6 sid |
| 14:02.53 | Sebboh | Heh.. Allow me to rephrase the question: I want to apt-get install something from lenny, not sid. I have both in my sources.list.. package a is ver 1.0 in lenny and 1.1 in sid. So, I tried apt-get install a/1.0 but it didn't work (release not found) What am I doing wrong here? |
| 14:02.55 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-4 (sid), Packaged size: 4325 kB, Installed size: 10644 kB |
| 14:03.07 | abrotman | Sebboh: see -t |
| 14:03.13 | jeef | gah, the debug messages for ldap are horrid (at least, filter and conns are).. is there a way to output whatever queries ldap receives in the log? |
| 14:03.23 | abrotman | grep? :) |
| 14:03.26 | jeef | eh.. |
| 14:03.34 | jeef | they're indecipherable almost |
| 14:03.39 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 14:03.50 | Sebboh | jeef, yeah, that's why LDAP bothers to write them down. ;) |
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| 14:04.11 | jeef | it will say what type of filters are going through but no values really... i.e. "AND" filters, but not what's being AND-ed |
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| 14:04.29 | jeef | there must be a better loglevel flag than the ones i've seen so far.. |
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| 14:05.21 | massctrl | hello created 4 dd files and mounted them to loopback using losetup, and created an raid-5 array out of them using mdadm. Created a partition on the /dev/md0 raid device. Works. But I can't find this partition, it's created but it doesn't appear. when the partition table is re-read by the kernel an error occurs,.... and suggests to reboot, which won't help, what should I do in order to have acces to my /dev/md0p1 device ? |
| 14:05.31 | jeef | sweet, "trace" is what i wanted.. shows the exact query |
| 14:05.31 | Gryfie | I hoped etch could handle my laptop-soundcard..... while sarge couldn't .... so I have to use knoppix and cut the system down as much as possible.... *whining* |
| 14:05.34 | jeef | perfect... |
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| 14:05.53 | nakee | abrotman, it's in sid and installing almost anything from sid requires update |
| 14:06.21 | nakee | abrotman, I just had bad experience with it last time I tried it from exp it was the same version i think and I got some reallocate error |
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| 14:06.57 | Sebboh | -t, yes, hm! Thanks abrotman. =) |
| 14:07.20 | ston | hey i just start with debian.i've installed debian 4.0 from one CD and rest of the packages i have downloaded.are there things which i should do with my system?install any packages etc?? |
| 14:08.23 | Gryfie | ston: Noe, you shoudn't install all packages :) etch uses 4 DVDs :) |
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| 14:08.30 | Gryfie | 3 |
| 14:08.35 | ma3x | is doom to be played on linux without wine? |
| 14:08.46 | ston | Gryfie: i didn't install all:) |
| 14:08.59 | Sebboh | massctrl: why don't you try to add support for your sound card to your copy of Etch? There's probably some webpage out there that says how to manually install linux drivers for it.. =) |
| 14:09.17 | Gryfie | ston_ Sorry, mistae, I read all, not any ;) |
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| 14:10.09 | ston | Gryfie: but what about security ? is all ok without configuring anything? |
| 14:10.10 | Sebboh | ma3x: yes, there are open source versions of doom. ..These versions aren't clones, they are made out of the original doom source code, because Id Software released the code to the public |
| 14:10.25 | Gryfie | Sebboh: I tried already with sarge with no succes...... and I'm not a linux-guru, but have generall good computer-knowledge |
| 14:10.27 | ma3x | Sebboh, so the game is free? |
| 14:10.56 | Gryfie | ma3x: Doom was released to open source some time ago |
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| 14:11.17 | Sebboh | ma3x, you'll have to get some data files--the artwork isn't free. There are free replacement artwork packs available.. But yes, the game is free now. apt-cache search doom |
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| 14:11.46 | alleyoopster | 2 questions with suspend problem, what script controls resume and do i need swsusp package? thanks |
| 14:12.08 | ma3x | Sebboh, should I install doom-package - Installer for Doom data files ? |
| 14:12.27 | Sebboh | Gryfie: visit your local Linux Users Group, and get somebody to touch your laptop for you! Changing distributions because of a sound card is silly... |
| 14:13.06 | Sebboh | ma3x: You're on your own now. I've never done more than apt-cache search doom. Just out of curiosity. |
| 14:13.25 | ma3x | Sebboh, you're lying! |
| 14:14.24 | xoz | !find doom |
| 14:14.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'doom' (8): doom-package ;; doom-wad-shareware ;; freedoom ;; kdoomsday ;; lxdoom ;; lxdoom-sndserv ;; lxdoom-svga ;; lxdoom-x11. |
| 14:14.32 | Sebboh | I can say that if I were you, I'd check the package description for doom-package-installer or whatever. .. It either asks you to put in your doom cd, or it downloads some artwork/levels from someplace. I do have experience with another open source game. =) |
| 14:14.37 | abrotman | nakee: hint .. don't run sid |
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| 14:15.04 | ma3x | Sebboh, what game? |
| 14:15.08 | Sebboh | oh, I see doom-wad-shareware in that list. You want that. Anyway. Gotta run. |
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| 14:15.32 | Sebboh | (the wad is the resource file.. like the pig file in Descent..) |
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| 14:16.15 | Sebboh | !find descent |
| 14:16.20 | dpkg | libparse-recdescent-perl: (Generates recursive-descent parsers in Perl), section perl, is optional. Version: 1.94.free-4 (sid), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 356 kB |
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| 14:16.26 | Gryfie | Sebboh: May it help just to copy alsaconf from knoppix to etch, when knoppix has an older kernal? |
| 14:16.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:16.50 | Gryfie | Hm.... I'll try... |
| 14:17.02 | abrotman | Gryfie: or maybe ask #alsa? which apps don't work ? |
| 14:17.03 | Sebboh | Gryfie: uh. I don't think so? I only have sound on PCs where it auto-installed itself. shrug |
| 14:17.24 | Gryfie | abrothman: Alsaconf :) |
| 14:17.38 | abrotman | alsaconf doesn't work ? |
| 14:17.42 | Dunedan | Does somebody know if there is a possibility to get rssh working so that it can handle svn and not only cvs commands? |
| 14:17.47 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 14:17.48 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 14:18.43 | Sebboh | Gryfie: you can find information about your laptop's sound card by looking in dmesg output... Maybe lspci, too. ..lspci is part of pciutils package. |
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| 14:19.07 | Sebboh | damned irc is a blackhole |
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| 14:19.19 | Gryfie | I installed alsa corrctly on my tower-pc, but the laptop makes problems, I'll try in#alsa, thx for the hin |
| 14:19.26 | Gryfie | t |
| 14:19.43 | abrotman | Gryfie: lspci can help |
| 14:19.43 | cahoot | Gryfie: for etch it simply should work with install alsa-utils and dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 14:20.18 | Gryfie | okapi14, I'll try |
| 14:20.37 | Gryfie | grrr ok... -okapi14 |
| 14:22.29 | Gryfie | its a ISA card |
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| 14:22.52 | Gryfie | so i guess lspci is not really helpfull, or am i wrong? |
| 14:23.38 | Gryfie | As far as i read in google, it's a combined graphic-soundcardchip (connected to pci AND isa) |
| 14:24.36 | nakee | abrotman, nm, I'll try it myself |
| 14:25.30 | Nazcafan | is there a simple way to get the fstab written a new entry when I plug a new usb key ? |
| 14:26.24 | alleyoopster | is there a good channel to get some help with suspend /resume? |
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| 14:27.37 | lesleyb | hi |
| 14:28.11 | lesleyb | am having a problem with my etch box |
| 14:28.16 | cahoot | alleyoopster: maybe this could be of use: http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/02/2117209&tid=47&tid=121 |
| 14:28.23 | lesleyb | it's got three cards in it and I don't use two of them |
| 14:28.31 | lesleyb | I really would rather they were not configured |
| 14:28.54 | lesleyb | especially with arbitrary IP addresses |
| 14:29.29 | lesleyb | how do I stop this happening? |
| 14:29.31 | alleyoopster | cahoot thanks will look |
| 14:29.31 | lesleyb | the only config I have in /etc/network/interfaces is for eth0 |
| 14:29.50 | lesleyb | I have no idea where this ****** install is finding that ***** IP address for eth2 |
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| 14:32.55 | abrotman | Gryfie: right .. /msg dpkg isapnp .. |
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| 14:34.28 | jazbo2185 | is there a way I can check if my swap partition is actually active and working? I got some error about swap while installing etch... |
| 14:35.29 | wols | Gryfie: is it a neomagic? |
| 14:35.30 | lesleyb | hi .... |
| 14:35.30 | Gryfie | yes, it is |
| 14:35.55 | Gryfie | ok, I'll look, if isapnp is activated on etch |
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| 14:36.38 | Gryfie | on a hp omnibook 4150 |
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| 14:37.32 | Sebboh | jazbo2185: you remember what the error was? df should mention swap. ..But I don't know if that confirms that it is working. |
| 14:37.44 | wols | isn't it a yamaha opl3 compatible chip? |
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| 14:38.36 | lesleyb | can anyone tell me why one of my nics is coming upo in half-duplex mode and how can I stop it doing that? |
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| 14:39.20 | Gryfie | debian says the neomagic is blacklistet, trys with opl3, can't get it to work but knoppix says: |
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| 14:39.51 | Gryfie | or it has succes with the cs 4232 |
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| 14:39.53 | wols | I have a otshibatecra8000 with neomagic nm2200 and opl3 soundchip |
| 14:39.58 | wols | works fine under debian (both) |
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| 14:40.01 | samyboy | What is the deal between debian and php sessions ? Why debian added a cron script to delete old session files instead of using php's features ? |
| 14:41.09 | Gryfie | wols: Mines much older: its a nm..... musst reread, but afaik a nm256 |
| 14:41.20 | Gryfie | or nm128 |
| 14:41.42 | jazbo2185 | Sebboh: something along the lines of "No swap partition found; userspace software suspend will not work" |
| 14:43.03 | Gryfie | ok..... etch didn't installed isapnp, I'll try :) |
| 14:43.11 | Sebboh | ohhhhh... jazbo2185, that's something else.. That's not about the normal operation of your swap partition, that's about another program that can make use of your swap partition. |
| 14:43.14 | wols | Gryfie: that is a nemagic 256AV aka nm2200 |
| 14:43.25 | Azar | good morning honorables!... I guess this guy is no other than our Guerin: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39291 |
| 14:43.34 | wols | Gryfie: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Gentoo_on_HP_Omnibook_4150 |
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| 14:43.40 | wols | stuff like that is all over google |
| 14:43.43 | Sirgado | hi |
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| 14:44.19 | jazbo2185 | is the swap partition called "/dev/shm"? |
| 14:44.19 | Gryfie | ok, I'll have a look, thx |
| 14:44.22 | wols | Azar: too bad Guerin is exactly on the other side of earth |
| 14:44.31 | cahoot | Azar: seems like the wrong continent |
| 14:44.34 | wols | jazbo2185: no. that's SHared Memeory |
| 14:44.38 | Azar | wols: oh I thought he lives in France |
| 14:44.40 | Sirgado | all my GTK apps fail at init because double free or invalid pointers.... |
| 14:44.50 | wols | jazbo2185: grep swap /etc/fstab |
| 14:45.03 | cahoot | Azar: wrong age too |
| 14:45.05 | Sirgado | tried using MALLOC_CHECK_=1, but they crash too |
| 14:45.16 | wols | Sirgado: what debian branch? |
| 14:45.25 | Azar | cahoot: ok I give up, how old is Guerin? :) |
| 14:45.34 | Sirgado | lenny, with marillat repositories |
| 14:46.10 | jazbo2185 | wols: So I can see a swap partition in /etc/fstab but I don't see it when I `df -h`. is that normal? |
| 14:46.14 | Azar | ... pointers... Azar is still to young not to feel afraid of them |
| 14:46.16 | wols | Sirgado: done a dist-upgrade with no packages held back? |
| 14:46.24 | wols | jazbo2185: yes |
| 14:46.31 | wols | you see it when you use free |
| 14:46.41 | jazbo2185 | wols: Is there a way I can check if my swap is actually working? |
| 14:46.51 | wols | yes. I just told you |
| 14:47.09 | jazbo2185 | wols: so if it's in fstab then it's definetly working? |
| 14:47.09 | Sirgado | I have just switched from etch to lenny, but it didn't work.... can I check a dist-upgrade now |
| 14:47.11 | Sirgado | let me try |
| 14:47.29 | wols | jazbo2185: I told you how to check. free(1) |
| 14:47.36 | jazbo2185 | wols: doh sorry |
| 14:47.55 | abrotman | or vmstat |
| 14:48.24 | Sirgado | wols: if I do a dist-upgrade nothing happens, nothing to update, install or remove (just 3 freezed packets) |
| 14:48.34 | jetscreamer | apt-get update? |
| 14:49.13 | jazbo2185 | cool, thanks folks |
| 14:49.43 | Sirgado | jetscreamer: done, nothing to install or update |
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| 14:50.12 | wols | Sirgado: what packages are "freezed"? |
| 14:50.22 | Sirgado | checkinstall enigma gdk-imlib1 |
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| 14:50.46 | wols | all of gnome depends on gdk-imlib |
| 14:50.46 | Sirgado | I should say "held back", insted freezed... |
| 14:50.54 | Sirgado | wow |
| 14:51.02 | Sirgado | I didn't know that |
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| 14:51.21 | wols | I told you dist-upgrade WITH NO PACKAGES HELD BACK" |
| 14:51.50 | Sirgado | sorry, I didn't understand you properly |
| 14:52.34 | Azar | Falko wrote a revision on his article "The Perfect Desktop - Debian Etch" for those who want their Debian system look like windows |
| 14:52.37 | jazbo2185 | I'm looking for a something I can pxe boot that will run an ssh server so I can try to recover some files of a computer that crapped-out and wont boot anymore. Recommendations? |
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| 14:54.02 | Azar | looks good for a newbie, it spoon-feds him from the first step on installation all the way to customization |
| 14:54.05 | jetscreamer | !comfort wols |
| 14:54.05 | dpkg | There, there, wols. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:54.28 | Sirgado | so, AFAIK, those packet are held because Debian.... May I have wrong configuration on prorities of apt, or something like that? |
| 14:54.33 | wols | dpkg will you gift me a pony? |
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| 14:54.46 | wols | Sirgado: you are running testing |
| 14:54.58 | wols | testing has errors. you are expected to deal with them on your own |
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| 14:55.17 | Azar | that makes Sirgado a tester, not a user |
| 14:55.28 | Sirgado | yeahm, but yesterday I was runing Stable/Etch with same problem |
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| 14:55.47 | wols | packages are held back due to conflichts |
| 14:55.56 | wols | e.g. did you have backports installed for example? |
| 14:56.21 | Azar | ya you might have stuffed in some packages that are conflicting with legit ones |
| 14:56.32 | Sirgado | I'm not sure what backports are, but I think I'll have to know it |
| 14:56.36 | Sirgado | ok |
| 14:56.41 | wols | !backports |
| 14:56.41 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 14:57.36 | Azar | ... or when you simply "download" software that are non-debian, compile them on your own and then they start coughing |
| 14:57.48 | Sirgado | I see... but I don't how to figure out if have backports installed |
| 14:58.04 | Sirgado | ...I don't *know* how to.... |
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| 14:58.23 | Sirgado | mm... I have some packets isntalled using checkinstall |
| 14:58.37 | WhoAmI | ìåíÿ íåò |
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| 14:58.45 | Azar | Sirgado: on your /etc/apt/sources.list might be some sources that are not pointing at your stable release |
| 14:59.39 | Sirgado | I've switched today from Etch to Lenny, but I've this problem weeks ago |
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| 14:59.56 | Azar | Sirgado: if you are not a seasoned debian user, you should stay with the stable version until you get to know it better |
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| 15:00.27 | wols | Sirgado: how many week? cause 3 weeks ago etch was testing, not stable |
| 15:01.06 | Sirgado | Azar: is my third year using debian testing, and no problems... |
| 15:01.23 | Sirgado | wols: yesterday Etch was Stable I had that proble, |
| 15:01.44 | Azar | Sirgado: ever used "aptitude" ? |
| 15:01.45 | Sirgado | So, I have a lot of things to learn, so that's what I'm doing |
| 15:01.55 | Math^ | hello, is there some way to install debian etch from a debian sarge cd? |
| 15:02.00 | Azar | not apt-get, but aptitude ? |
| 15:02.27 | chops | Math^: I would install sarge and then immediately upgrade |
| 15:02.27 | Azar | Math^: no, it will install sarge but you could upgrade after installation |
| 15:02.29 | Sirgado | Azar: yes, I tried, but because I was usibng apt aptitude tried to uninstall a lot of apps that I needed |
| 15:02.29 | Math^ | Azar: almost the same |
| 15:02.34 | wols | Sirgado: the question is when did this problem start? it didn't start yesterday as you said |
| 15:02.57 | Math^ | ok |
| 15:03.38 | Sirgado | wols: about a few weeks (I may have explained ina wrong way, sorry) |
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| 15:04.00 | Azar | Sirgado: the fact that aptitude is telling you ( nice to know ) that packages will be removed, is because packages are broken.. dependencies unmet. Write down or copy the packages listed for removal, and paste/save on a file. Let aptitude clean up , then use "aptitude install package package package" afterwards |
| 15:04.16 | benny-` | Hi, does someone know how to change a systemuser Passwort with a shell script? |
| 15:04.16 | Sirgado | but I don't remember which thing I was dong when the problem started, because I don't use GTK apps very much |
| 15:04.20 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 15:04.20 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 15:04.58 | Azar | wow, mister jetscreamer, that is so cool! |
| 15:04.59 | jazbo2185 | Math^: it might be faster to just make a minimal install cd (or floppy) since you'll have to download all the new packages for etch anyway... |
| 15:05.11 | wols | benny-`: mann passwd |
| 15:05.14 | wols | *man |
| 15:05.34 | Math^ | jazbo2185: ive got no cd's left and no floppy drive :) |
| 15:05.35 | benny-` | but passwd requires a input or? |
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| 15:06.05 | xoz | Sirgado: use aptitute, let it clean the dependency and install those you want. if you are running testing, it is not stable so it may break anytime. |
| 15:06.11 | Sirgado | Azar: I thought aptitide tries to uninstall packtes that seems are not in use becasue they were isntalled using apt instead apitude |
| 15:06.16 | Sirgado | ko |
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| 15:06.17 | Sirgado | ok |
| 15:06.17 | wols | benny-`: expect |
| 15:06.25 | Math^ | jazbo2185: and the pc wont boot from usb flash disk :/ |
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| 15:06.36 | Azar | Sirgado: not true, aptitude only tries to clean bad packages |
| 15:06.36 | chops | benny-`: You can use "usermod -p" if you need non-interactive use |
| 15:06.40 | Sirgado | I know is testing, remember I have not complained about debian ;-) |
| 15:06.49 | Sirgado | ok |
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| 15:07.07 | Azar | Sirgado: it indeed says "not in use" or "not used" but it is not the right explanation |
| 15:07.11 | Sirgado | I'll use aptitude |
| 15:07.23 | Guza | hi |
| 15:07.25 | TummYacid | ok ive built /dev/md9, it took all night but it copied the data to both drives in my raid-1. now i am unable to mount because it can't read superblock... presumably because i didnt format it when i made the md9 device because i didnt want to lose all my data on it |
| 15:07.29 | Sirgado | ah, ok, I didn't know that |
| 15:07.31 | TummYacid | is there a way to just write the superblock without losing data on raid-1 |
| 15:07.34 | Guza | how can i set locale on croatian |
| 15:07.34 | Guza | ? |
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| 15:07.43 | xoz | what is not true? |
| 15:07.44 | Guza | language etc.. |
| 15:07.51 | jazbo2185 | Math^: just carefully follow section 4 of http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ and things should go off without a hitch |
| 15:07.52 | Sirgado | thanks for helping |
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| 15:08.13 | jazbo2185 | Math^: assuming that's the right architecture for you.. |
| 15:08.36 | Azar | xoz: sometimes when aptitude tries to remove a package (in my casse was xserver-xfree86) the explanation given by aptitude was "not used" or something very similar |
| 15:08.39 | TummYacid | i am using mdadm btw |
| 15:09.09 | xoz | Azar: ah, ok. |
| 15:09.10 | chops | TummYacid: What data are you trying to preserve, and where was it before you made /dev/md9? |
| 15:09.21 | Azar | xoz: bottom line was, I installed xserver using apt-get, and after dist-upgrade I started using aptitude... it did not "see" my xserver |
| 15:09.21 | wols | !tell Guza about locales |
| 15:09.46 | Guza | tnx |
| 15:09.47 | Guza | man |
| 15:09.47 | Guza | :D |
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| 15:10.00 | Sirgado | hey, aptitude is telling me that I've some broken packages (imlib1 libwxgtk2.4). I must have some SID packages.... |
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| 15:10.15 | Math^ | jazbo2185: thnx |
| 15:10.23 | TummYacid | chops: ive got 100 gigs of movies, code, basically my entire /home partition on hda9. ive bought another drive the same size and made a partition the same size on hdc9 |
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| 15:10.43 | Sirgado | So, now I know what is the problem, I hope I'll be able to deal with it.... thanks again! |
| 15:10.55 | Azar | Sirgado: clean up your /etc/apt/sources.list first: figure out which version you are using and apply overall: etch or lenny ONE of them |
| 15:11.07 | TummYacid | i used mdadm to make a degraded raid-1 out of /dev/hda9 and then i hot added /dev/hdc9 |
| 15:11.12 | jazbo2185 | Math^: other option is to do a usb drive boot. Then you get the benefit of using the etch installer which is a little nicer than the sarge one |
| 15:11.16 | Sirgado | ok |
| 15:11.20 | TummYacid | it took all night but now its synced but i cannot mount due to no superblock |
| 15:12.14 | benny-` | chops: thanks but the program crypt doesnt exist, so how must a encrypted the password before usage with usermod? |
| 15:12.14 | Althaser | can apt-pinning keeps package version on old ones ? please |
| 15:12.15 | Math^ | jazbo2185: the laptop wont boot from usb |
| 15:12.26 | x_link | stoned: Hi |
| 15:12.26 | chops | TummYacid: The first question: do you have backups? :-/ |
| 15:12.29 | Math^ | btw, i got a debootstrap error? |
| 15:12.32 | jazbo2185 | Math^: ah yeah, I had that problem too |
| 15:12.38 | x_link | stoned: I don't want to do that right now, caus I want to make a backup first of this sytem. |
| 15:12.41 | x_link | system. |
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| 15:12.52 | TummYacid | i am about to go see my friend who has a massive usb external drive i will make backups from |
| 15:12.57 | Math^ | no such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch ? |
| 15:13.19 | Math^ | I even cant install this old cd |
| 15:13.19 | chops | benny-`: crypt() is a C function, not a shell function |
| 15:13.21 | TummYacid | just cehcking for any last ideas before i unhook the drives and repackage them to fit in mybackback |
| 15:13.25 | jazbo2185 | What is the "correct" way to get my clock reading the right time? My computer is usually connected to a network but not always... |
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| 15:13.50 | xoz | jazbo2185: ntpdate |
| 15:13.56 | stoned | x_link: ok |
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| 15:14.08 | chops | TummYacid: I would see him immediately and make a backup of the whole /dev/hda9 partition; it sounds like you may have hosed your filesystem |
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| 15:14.14 | Math^ | jazbo2185: ive got a question wich version install i want to do |
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| 15:14.22 | chops | TummYacid: You might be able to recover it, but you should make backups of the existing state before doing anything |
| 15:14.25 | TummYacid | ouch not pretty |
| 15:14.34 | Math^ | jazbo2185: i can choose stable, testing and unstable |
| 15:14.39 | x_link | stoned: I have an backup on Debian Etch, next time my computer has to reboot I will make an backup on this Testing with Acronis (really GOOD program) and then try unstable. |
| 15:14.40 | jazbo2185 | Math^: stable |
| 15:14.43 | Math^ | i guess testing is etch? |
| 15:14.50 | x_link | Math^: No |
| 15:14.58 | Math^ | hmmk |
| 15:15.04 | x_link | Math^: It was the same thing before, but not anymore. |
| 15:15.07 | x_link | Etch is stable now. |
| 15:15.12 | Math^ | alright |
| 15:15.19 | Math^ | so erm... when i choose stable |
| 15:15.19 | x_link | Lenny is the new testing |
| 15:15.23 | Math^ | it will install edge |
| 15:15.56 | Math^ | sarge i ment |
| 15:15.56 | x_link | edge? |
| 15:15.56 | benny-` | chops: hm ok and what must i do now to use usermod? |
| 15:15.57 | Math^ | :/ |
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| 15:16.05 | Math^ | lol |
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| 15:16.17 | chops | benny-`: Where are you getting the passwords that your shell script is setting for your users? |
| 15:16.17 | Math^ | sarge, rofl, i dont know why i said edge :P |
| 15:16.24 | Math^ | sarge i ment |
| 15:16.58 | TummYacid | ok the good news is ic an still stop /dev/md9 and mount /dev/hda9 normalls |
| 15:17.08 | TummYacid | normally |
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| 15:17.10 | chops | TummYacid: Okay, excellent. |
| 15:17.15 | chops | TummYacid: Step 1: Make a backup :-) |
| 15:17.20 | x_link | stoned: Should we talk in PM? |
| 15:17.56 | TummYacid | alright lucky for me is a beautiful day for a bike ride folks, ill be back in a couple hours |
| 15:18.01 | benny-` | chops: this later is a random function in the shell, but now it should yust work with standard input. the usage is for a ftp account which should be changed often |
| 15:18.12 | chops | Step 2 is similiar to what you did, but backwards -- make a degraded RAID1 array on /dev/hdc9, start it, copy all the data from /dev/hda9 to /dev/md9, _then_ add /dev/hda9 to the array. |
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| 15:18.54 | TummYacid | hehe thats what i did the first time but the instructions told me i should do it for ALL partitions, not just eh big one... in the end the machine was unable to boot fromt he raid |
| 15:19.00 | chops | benny-`: If standard input is fine, then use passwd |
| 15:19.14 | TummYacid | ill try it this time with the confidence only a backup can give |
| 15:19.18 | TummYacid | thanks for the help |
| 15:19.27 | chops | benny-`: NEWPASSWORD=`apg -n1`; (echo $NEWPASSWORD; echo $NEWPASSWORD) | passwd someuser >& /dev/null |
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| 15:20.01 | Math^ | hmm, i cant install debian... i got the error: Debootstrap Error, No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/etch |
| 15:20.13 | chops | TummYacid: np, good luck |
| 15:20.24 | naitram_ | how do you run a serial terminal, IE... I need to connect on com port 1 at 9600 baud etc... to a device |
| 15:20.59 | stew | Math^: get a newer version of debootstrap |
| 15:20.59 | Math^ | how |
| 15:20.59 | adi | Hi. I have a Debian Etch system. On bootup, it hangs with 'ata is slow to respond, please be patient'. What does that indicate? |
| 15:20.59 | Math^ | stew: i only have this cd |
| 15:20.59 | adi | (I can't boot anything except my old PC right now) |
| 15:21.01 | stew | Math^: http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap ; click on 'testing' |
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| 15:22.07 | Math^ | stew: how can i use that/ |
| 15:22.07 | stew | Math^: or get this deb: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.3_all.deb or get this tarball: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.3.tar.gz |
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| 15:22.24 | Math^ | yes, how can i get that file from the uninstalled pc? |
| 15:22.37 | Myelin | Hello, if i place a package alongwith its dependency files on hard disk, will aptitude or dselect will install the main package and its dependencies without connecting to the internet\/ |
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| 15:22.52 | Math^ | stew: i cant use those links |
| 15:22.53 | chops | Myelin: Not automatically; you want 'dpkg -i' |
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| 15:23.05 | Math^ | stew: i have no floppy disk to safe on |
| 15:23.09 | ofirg_ | which package do I need for gnome-vfs-2.0 |
| 15:23.14 | Myelin | dpkg -i foe each of them or just the main packages\/ |
| 15:23.14 | dpkg | package foe each of them or just the main packages\/ is already installed |
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| 15:23.20 | benny-` | chops: proftpd says password incorrect after setting a random password with this method |
| 15:23.44 | chops | benny-`: What password did you set? |
| 15:23.54 | Math^ | damn... this isnt gonna work |
| 15:24.14 | Math^ | need to buy some empty cd's again :/ |
| 15:24.18 | chops | benny-`: Or rather, what exactly did you do? Feel free to use pastebin. |
| 15:24.20 | stew | Math^: perhaps you could bootstrap sarge and upgrade then |
| 15:24.21 | wols | Math^: do you have a windows installed on the machine? |
| 15:24.24 | wols | !goodbye |
| 15:24.24 | dpkg | Goodbye to you too, wols |
| 15:24.28 | benny-` | chops: echo $NEWPASSWORD = MijteevIf |
| 15:24.33 | wols | www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 15:24.39 | Math^ | wols: no, ive got ubuntu installed on it |
| 15:24.51 | chops | benny-`: Does it work if you just do 'passwd' by hand? If proftpd set up to use system passwords? |
| 15:24.53 | Math^ | but i want to try debian |
| 15:25.06 | stew | Math^: and you can't get on the network with ubuntu? |
| 15:25.13 | Math^ | yes i can |
| 15:25.27 | Math^ | but how can i use the files when i try to install from cd ? :/ |
| 15:25.33 | benny-` | chops: Yes typing by hand the exact same password works |
| 15:25.43 | Myelin | If i dpkg -i for each package and then what should i run to configure them as they do not configure due to absent dependencies which i have already installed\\/ |
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| 15:25.57 | benny-` | chops: so there must be a problem in the pipe or something |
| 15:26.05 | benny-` | chops but i dnk |
| 15:26.17 | chops | benny-`: Can you pastebin precisely what your shell script looks like? |
| 15:26.23 | stew | Math^: what files? why can't you use the newer debootstrap that I'm pointing you to? |
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| 15:26.42 | Math^ | stew, what is it, were do i need it for? |
| 15:26.44 | benny-` | chops: sure 1 sec |
| 15:26.44 | chops | Myelin: If their dependencies are actually installed, then they will configure themselves. |
| 15:26.53 | Math^ | what do i have to do with those new files |
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| 15:27.11 | helo | is x86_64 now ia64? |
| 15:27.18 | formorer | no |
| 15:27.26 | Myelin | Ok. i guess i missed few dependency files!!! |
| 15:27.26 | formorer | it never was and it will never be |
| 15:27.31 | formorer | ia64 is itanium |
| 15:27.35 | jazbo2185 | stew: He's trying trying to install sarge from old sarge cd's. Then upgrade to etch... |
| 15:27.45 | jazbo2185 | stew: ignore that |
| 15:27.53 | helo | ahh, i was looking for x86_64 but it is amd64, my bad |
| 15:28.10 | stew | Math^: you are trying to debootstrap etch, with an old version of debootstrap that doens't know about etch. you need a newer version of debootstrap than the one you have. i pointed you to a .deb you can install on ubuntu that would provide a newer debootstrap which knows about etch |
| 15:28.51 | Math^ | stew: so i have to install it in ubuntu, then i need to install the cd again? |
| 15:28.59 | stew | Math^: what cd? |
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| 15:29.07 | Math^ | the debian installer |
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| 15:29.20 | stew | Math^: if you are using the debian installer, why do you need debootstrap? |
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| 15:29.30 | naitram_ | anyone know how to use a serial console in linux |
| 15:29.30 | hark | Math^: you're installing from cd? |
| 15:29.31 | benny-` | chops: http://nopaste.php-q.net/292244 |
| 15:29.32 | Math^ | becouse the installer cant install |
| 15:29.45 | Math^ | the installer gives me errors |
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| 15:30.06 | Math^ | when i try to install the base system it says: Debootstrap Error |
| 15:30.12 | bobbob1016 | is there any way to do a netinstall off of floppies? meaning boot off of (a) floppy(ies), and start the netinstall? |
| 15:30.24 | jetscreamer | there are boot floppies even |
| 15:30.29 | Sirgado | Azar: wols : just for the record: aptitude solved my problem, many many thanks |
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| 15:30.34 | jetscreamer | !bf |
| 15:30.34 | dpkg | from memory, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
| 15:30.47 | bobbob1016 | I've been looking for them, but I couldn't find them, thanks |
| 15:31.05 | hark | Math^: hmm, you're using an old installer, get a newer one |
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| 15:31.14 | Math^ | hark haha yes... |
| 15:31.22 | stew | Math^: which installer are you trying to use? |
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| 15:31.28 | Math^ | then i need to buy some new empty cds |
| 15:31.39 | Math^ | i have an sarge installer here |
| 15:31.41 | Math^ | i guess |
| 15:31.54 | naitram_ | gee thanks :(. |
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| 15:32.28 | Math^ | so i can trow this cd away |
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| 15:33.27 | Math^ | ah well... tommorow i will burn a new debian etch cd |
| 15:33.29 | Math^ | :) |
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| 15:33.45 | Math^ | thnx for the help anyways |
| 15:34.07 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 15:34.11 | hark | well, you can just install the base and follow the etch upgrade procedure |
| 15:34.11 | jetscreamer | nah nm |
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| 15:34.27 | jazbo2185 | hark: it don't work. His sarge cd doesn't work |
| 15:34.28 | jetscreamer | what hark said... me, i'd change the damn source manually |
| 15:34.31 | Math^ | hark: when trying to install the base system i get that error, lol |
| 15:34.42 | chops | benny-`: Hm, you could try removing the ">& /dev/null" and see if passwd is giving you an error |
| 15:35.00 | chops | benny-`: You could also try using the old password, see whether it's failing to set the new password, or setting it but setting it to something incorrect |
| 15:35.21 | Math^ | ok guys, later |
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| 15:41.37 | ofirg_ | which package do I need for gnome-vfs-2.0 ? |
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| 15:42.37 | benny-` | chops: yes there is a error: passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered passwd: password unchanged |
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| 15:47.16 | victor_rx1950 | has emdebian own channel? |
| 15:47.33 | ChrisW | hey all, any idea why the etch release of apache remove the IE crutches from mods-available/ssl.conf? |
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| 15:53.08 | Gryfelhase | hi, where do i get the information, on what cd isapnp residents? |
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| 15:53.38 | solemnwarning | I want to setup some file transfer system for syncing files between two Debian servers |
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| 15:53.40 | enouf | rpc: hey |
| 15:53.57 | solemnwarning | Whats best? NFS? rsyncd? FTP? |
| 15:54.10 | ChrisW | k, which retard is the apache package maintainer for debian? *sulk* |
| 15:54.31 | petemc | solemnwarning: rsync works well |
| 15:54.33 | solemnwarning | ChrisW: IE isn't free! |
| 15:54.47 | ChrisW | solemnwarning: wtf? |
| 15:54.58 | enouf | why can't you have your 4 separate loop mounts and just copy them over into a larger container you made on your HDD, then dd that, as your .img file |
| 15:55.00 | solemnwarning | IE isn't free, so anything to make it work is evil! |
| 15:55.04 | petemc | ChrisW: what makes you qualified to call the apache maintainers retards? |
| 15:55.06 | ChrisW | don't be a dick |
| 15:55.13 | petemc | thats rich coming from you |
| 15:55.22 | ChrisW | that was to solemnwarning |
| 15:55.26 | petemc | i know |
| 15:55.29 | solemnwarning | :\ |
| 15:55.54 | ChrisW | petemc: ssl.conf in sarge had a section to help deal with IE's damaged SSL shutdown |
| 15:55.56 | enouf | er .. m00se gun :-P |
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| 15:56.15 | ChrisW | some bright spark decided to just remove that stanza in etch |
| 15:56.23 | chops | benny-`: Aha -- well, fix that error :-) |
| 15:56.45 | omri | if it's for syncing than rsync I guess |
| 15:56.59 | enouf | er hands* , gah |
| 15:57.07 | ChrisW | so, after a (relatively) painless upgrade of 10 debian servers over the weekend, I suddenly start getting complaints from clients that they can't download .cls files |
| 15:57.14 | ChrisW | .xls, even |
| 15:57.22 | petemc | nightmare |
| 15:57.25 | benny-` | chops: i think it isnt easy possible to use passwd non interactivwe |
| 15:57.28 | CharminTheMoose | dpkg, m00se is a leet moose! |
| 15:57.28 | dpkg | CharminTheMoose: okay |
| 15:57.40 | omri | ChrisW, with apache, I guess? |
| 15:57.47 | itchi | ChrisW: Anyway, your a bigger one |
| 15:57.48 | ChrisW | omri: yep |
| 15:57.56 | omri | did you check the mime type? |
| 15:57.57 | ChrisW | itchi: oh? and why is that? |
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| 15:58.12 | itchi | ChrisW: For your comments ... |
| 15:58.14 | ChrisW | omri: how about reading above where I explain exactly what the problem and solution were ;-) |
| 15:58.16 | petemc | ChrisW: you call people who volunteer their time to make packages retards |
| 15:58.19 | ChrisW | itchi: what comments? |
| 15:58.40 | itchi | ChrisW: Is that realy a question? |
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| 15:58.49 | ChrisW | petemc: I volunteer just as much time as anyone else to maintain open source software... that doesn't mean I expect to be flak-free for making retarded changes... |
| 15:58.49 | omri | I was trying to help you |
| 15:58.57 | omri | but if you already solved your issue .. :) |
| 15:59.19 | rahul | dpkg camel |
| 15:59.26 | petemc | ChrisW: its inflammatory, a well worded bug report is the way to voice your problems |
| 15:59.39 | stoned | infalmmatory |
| 15:59.42 | CharminTheMoose | !dpkg camel |
| 15:59.45 | ChrisW | don't worry, I intend to file a bug, and it won't be inflamatory |
| 15:59.47 | stoned | gastro intestinal inflammatory |
| 15:59.51 | stoned | ahahah :pfft |
| 15:59.53 | perlmonkey | hi guys, anyone had any luck with Netgear wifi nic (WG511T) I think it uses the Atheros chipset, supposed to be well supported in Linux, but I'm getting bunch of errors when I try and bring up the device.. no such device etc |
| 15:59.55 | enouf | stoned: rash again .. eh? |
| 15:59.58 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:00.05 | ChrisW | now, how exactly should I file a bug? |
| 16:00.06 | rahul | rash? explosive farting! |
| 16:00.18 | ChrisW | is there a web interface or do I have to use some arcan email syntax? |
| 16:00.19 | petemc | ChrisW: reportbug |
| 16:00.22 | enouf | rahul: no that'd be RIPE |
| 16:00.28 | psyche_ | damn |
| 16:00.28 | rahul | heh |
| 16:00.28 | stoned | perlmonkey: wait.. your router is running debian? |
| 16:00.29 | psyche_ | ... |
| 16:00.40 | ChrisW | ah, arcane utlity to use it is then... |
| 16:00.40 | stoned | perlmonkey: oh nn |
| 16:00.40 | perlmonkey | stoned: aye |
| 16:00.43 | psyche_ | i want to install Debian but im so tired :( |
| 16:00.54 | psyche_ | all what i want to do is listen mp3 and drink beer |
| 16:00.56 | enouf | take a nap |
| 16:00.58 | stoned | perlmonkey: wait.. what? You netgear nic, I read router |
| 16:00.59 | stoned | im dumb |
| 16:00.59 | ChrisW | and lemme guess, when it fucks up, you'll tell me to read the meaningless man page? |
| 16:01.01 | itchi | psyche_: Fetch some sleep and install it when your fresh |
| 16:01.02 | psyche_ | :( |
| 16:01.02 | ChrisW | *sigh* |
| 16:01.08 | petemc | ChrisW: your attitude really stinks |
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| 16:01.18 | ChrisW | wonder if debian will ever move to launchpad... |
| 16:01.20 | stoned | ChrisW: you can't expect to get much help by being a cunt |
| 16:01.21 | itchi | ChrisW: Go away! |
| 16:01.23 | enouf | no, it sucks ass actually |
| 16:01.25 | Ronin | wow we have a raf256 clone in or something? |
| 16:01.29 | psyche_ | itchi there is no point to go sleep, because i have to go work tomorrow |
| 16:01.35 | enouf | !subday |
| 16:01.43 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:01.44 | enouf | heh |
| 16:01.54 | psyche_ | i have debian workstation there though... |
| 16:02.08 | enouf | couldn't even do that right .. and you think you're tired? .. |
| 16:02.22 | ChrisW | stoned: I'm usually relatively polite on this channel, and I do appreciate the help I get, especially from you petemc... but this change seems needless and likely to trip up less experienced users |
| 16:02.36 | perlmonkey | I think I made an error |
| 16:03.00 | itchi | ChrisW: Talk you about you? :-) |
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| 16:03.17 | ChrisW | yeah, I'm not an apache guru |
| 16:03.30 | stoned | ChrisW: see good. If you have you something to disagre with or something you don't like, come at it with a positive or nice way and people will discuss it. display a bad attitude and you'll be pushed back |
| 16:03.31 | ChrisW | I know it pretty well, but I don't know the ins and outs of every config file |
| 16:03.42 | itchi | ChrisW: Anyway, have respect for the others, that's already a good begin! |
| 16:03.55 | GuHHH | what you want to know about apache? if its about apache configuration i may can help |
| 16:04.04 | stoned | #apache |
| 16:04.06 | GuHHH | :P |
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| 16:04.08 | stoned | 'nuff said |
| 16:04.10 | boodie | Since etch became stable, I had seen no updates; I have a doubt about my sources.list file: can anybody give it a look and tell whether I'm missing a repository. The listing is in http://paste.debian.net/26941 |
| 16:04.18 | stoned | helo: omg! i just moved from okc to nyc |
| 16:04.20 | ChrisW | stoned: and you wonder why the guys on #apache fucking hate debian? |
| 16:04.22 | boodie | PS: thank you |
| 16:04.34 | stoned | ChrisW: no I don't because i dont' go there |
| 16:04.34 | stew | boodie: your sources.list is fine |
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| 16:04.42 | stoned | ChrisW: i read documents and try to configure apache myself |
| 16:04.44 | stoned | hi stew |
| 16:04.45 | GuHHH | why ppl on debian hate everyone? |
| 16:04.46 | GuHHH | lol |
| 16:04.52 | ChrisW | stoned: kinda proves my point '=_ |
| 16:05.02 | Ronin | GuHHH: on the contrary |
| 16:05.08 | stew | boodie: since etch is stable, you can get rid of the lines that explicitly say "stable" |
| 16:05.14 | stew | stoned: aloha |
| 16:05.23 | GuHHH | Roni i totally disagree |
| 16:05.31 | GuHHH | *Ronin |
| 16:05.35 | stoned | stew: i re did the packages and specified the dependencies in the control file manually. I also took your suggessitons and did as you asked about some of the files. can you kindly take another peek at http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/smc/etch/ |
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| 16:05.46 | stew | stoned: remind me later |
| 16:05.49 | stew | (but yes) |
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| 16:05.51 | stoned | stew: sure will do thanks |
| 16:06.12 | CharminTheMoose | can iceape be virused/hijacked easily? everytime I go to a certain site and i'm browsing around it, i suddenly get directed to another page about stopping a virus.. |
| 16:06.19 | ChrisW | heh, nice of reportbug to be an optional package ;-) |
| 16:06.33 | boodie | stew: Is that correct that there have been no updates for about 2 weeks? |
| 16:07.10 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: that tree you're hiding behind is a bit .. rm thin |
| 16:07.29 | stew | boodie: you can check what updates have been released here: http://debian.org/security/ and make sure you haven't missed any, there have been 4 or 5 in the last 2 weeks, but it might not be any packages you have installed |
| 16:07.44 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: It covers all my limbs! |
| 16:07.55 | stew | boodie: but yes, it would not be suprising that you wouldn't get any updates in 2 weeks |
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| 16:08.34 | stoned | people dislike debian because they have to do a little bit of work with it. People who don't like to read documents or work a little to get what they need to have done hate debian. It is quiet simple. If you don't like debian, then don't use debian, and kinly /part #debian. Or stop bitching and start doing as you're told by debian experts. |
| 16:08.34 | stoned | its not that hard to understand |
| 16:08.38 | itchi | stoned: I agree :-) |
| 16:08.45 | CharminTheMoose | stoned: i second that emotion! |
| 16:08.47 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: there's so much crap code out there .. never think you're totally impervious to vulnerabilities, especially using browsers loaded up with all kinds of shit and plugins and javacrap, javeshit and whatnot |
| 16:09.02 | rahul | people get offended when they're not born knowing everything |
| 16:09.36 | rahul | they think they should be equal to everyone else, so if you know how to do something they don't, that is a violation of their civil rights |
| 16:09.53 | helo | stoned: so what was the trick of getting the hell outta this state? :) |
| 16:09.57 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: so what're saying is, disable this shitty javasuck and pray? |
| 16:09.57 | stoned | rahul: like in highschool. I was given detention and disliked by many teachers cuz I knew more than them :) |
| 16:10.02 | stoned | helo: just pick up and leave man |
| 16:10.03 | rahul | hehe |
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| 16:10.24 | stoned | helo: i stayed in oklahoma for 1 year, and i got sick of it. One day, I said fuck it, I'm outta here. You just gotta do it, no tricks :) |
| 16:10.26 | rahul | enouf: hrm, I'd need a pinata full of penices, then |
| 16:10.29 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: basically .. yes, and all that other flashmonkey nonsense |
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| 16:11.18 | helo | hehe |
| 16:11.45 | rahul | but it helps if you have a job lined up BEFORE you move :) |
| 16:12.07 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: older moz browsers, used to have an option in settings like; [x] "Allow software to be downloaded and installed" or someshit, something that had to do with iinstalling plugins, extensions area |
| 16:12.10 | helo | anyone know if 'ulimit -c unlimited' must be done before you start the app whose core you want to dump (when it crashes), or can you set the ulimit after it has started and still get the dump? |
| 16:12.16 | rahul | considering the cheapest rent you're likely to get is $300/month, and that's in the suburbs for a small bedroom in a crappy neighborhood |
| 16:12.20 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: disable that |
| 16:12.37 | helo | yeah... job... hmm |
| 16:12.50 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: clear your cache often .. and/or use a real browser :-P |
| 16:12.56 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: done! and the stupid thing is that the virus scanner is for windoze! |
| 16:13.00 | stoned | rahul: for 300/mo you can get a 2bed 1 bath apartments, everything paid cept electric down south |
| 16:13.04 | stoned | :D |
| 16:13.17 | stoned | nice hood too |
| 16:13.21 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: nice one! .. Blistas for Everyone![tm] |
| 16:13.24 | rahul | sure, but you gotta live in something that's even less interesting than a suburb here |
| 16:13.43 | stoned | helo: so where in okc do you stay at? |
| 16:13.51 | rahul | heh, a bat that drops penices. |
| 16:13.58 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: rather, winXpuke. and I (still) have win98SE on this 7yearold computer.. :p |
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| 16:14.59 | ole | whats a good number to establish max number of processes for any user in limits.conf? |
| 16:15.20 | stoned | depends on your cpu/system |
| 16:15.26 | stoned | and how many users you have |
| 16:15.31 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: and ease up a bit on the free pr0n sites .. or i'll have to tell m0mmy m00se |
| 16:15.31 | stoned | or are expecting to have |
| 16:16.09 | minerale | is there a way for me to tell how many cpu hours my system has used since bootup? (i've been thinking about moving my debian systems to amazon's elastic cloud... xen based hosting at $.10 per cpu hour ) |
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| 16:16.14 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: hehe |
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| 16:16.26 | stoned | uptime |
| 16:16.27 | ChrisW | is there a source control system or some such where I can see the patches applied to apache or the changes between released packages? |
| 16:16.34 | stoned | minerale: uptime |
| 16:16.35 | penguin | Is dual booting with Vista different than XP? |
| 16:16.35 | stoned | ? |
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| 16:16.42 | stoned | penguin: shouldn't be |
| 16:16.48 | stoned | penguin: install linux AFTER vista |
| 16:16.59 | minerale | stoned: my uptime: 12:16:39 up 21 days, 18:43, 9 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 16:17.06 | minerale | stoned: does that mean 12 cpu hours? |
| 16:17.20 | stoned | system has been up for 12 hours yes |
| 16:17.23 | ole | stoned, let's say my main concern for deciding to put the limit is to avoid DoS by one user making recursive calls |
| 16:17.30 | penguin | I installed Linux before vista |
| 16:17.31 | enouf | ? |
| 16:17.33 | stoned | cpu is working when you bot up |
| 16:17.35 | stoned | boot* |
| 16:17.37 | stoned | so yes |
| 16:17.37 | penguin | Now I need linux to work again. |
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| 16:18.17 | bwlang | minerale: you could use vmstat to get the average cpu usage since boot... and calculate the cpu hours with the uptime |
| 16:18.30 | chubaca | penguin: you need to modify your mbr. |
| 16:18.35 | bwlang | minerale: it's an approximation though |
| 16:18.46 | enouf | 12:12:40 up 23 days, 4:02, 1 user, load average: 0.35, 0.25, 0.25 .. so i've only been booted for 12 hours? ..lol |
| 16:18.58 | CharminTheMoose | penguin: reinstall grub to the mbr |
| 16:19.01 | penguin | So I can use the XP Debian dual boot faqs? |
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| 16:19.16 | bwlang | enouf: that's just the time.... |
| 16:19.19 | penguin | I read that Vista was different somehow or other. |
| 16:19.25 | enouf | gee .. i need to tell ConEd .. |
| 16:19.33 | helo | stoned: i'm in tulsa, actually :) |
| 16:19.34 | samyboy | cu |
| 16:19.44 | enouf | bwlang: it's time time of day (local time) .. yes, i know |
| 16:19.57 | itchi | penguin: See /msg dpkg grubrecover |
| 16:19.59 | stoned | penguin: do you have XP? |
| 16:20.09 | plaur_27 | in etch, portmap doesn't seem to care about hosts.deny... i have ALL:ALL in hosts.deny and empty hosts.allow, but portmap keeps answering to requests from outside - any idea? |
| 16:20.10 | stoned | penguin: do you have XP alongside vista or just vista? |
| 16:20.11 | CharminTheMoose | stoned: it's vista |
| 16:20.13 | penguin | I Have Vista |
| 16:20.39 | chubaca | Vista erase the mbr. |
| 16:20.46 | penguin | I installed Debian on the hard drive. then I bought a second hard drive and installed Vista |
| 16:20.57 | plaur_27 | i used dpkg-reconfigure portmap to bind it only to localhost, but it's strange |
| 16:21.05 | bwlang | put windows in a window where it belongs... vmware or xen. |
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| 16:21.09 | itchi | plaur_27: Which stuff have still access? AFAIK it's only for TCP_wrapper related stuff |
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| 16:21.36 | plaur_27 | itchi: just portmap, all the other ones appear as closed |
| 16:21.40 | stoned | i've never used vista hehe |
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| 16:22.13 | chubaca | penguin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Boot_Record |
| 16:22.42 | plaur_27 | itchi: portmap is compiled with libwrap0, it should care about hosts_deny... man portmap says so, too |
| 16:23.02 | stoned | you know if you have the etch install cd you can just boot with it, do expert install, just simply go to the last step i think and install grub on mbr again |
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| 16:23.15 | minerale | enouf: amazon's electic cloud seems too cheap, 12 cpu hours costing $1.02 -- that's about $1.5 per month (plus transfer fees at $.1 per gb) |
| 16:23.16 | penguin | I wonder how MS justifies writing on every stinking hdd in the computer. |
| 16:23.16 | stoned | no need to go through the other options |
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| 16:23.29 | stoned | ms pisses me off man |
| 16:23.36 | stoned | penguin: ##windows also |
| 16:23.37 | itchi | !grubrecover |
| 16:23.37 | dpkg | from memory, grubrecover is at http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover |
| 16:23.47 | itchi | Read it ^ ;-) |
| 16:23.49 | minerale | not to mention that the 'cloud' can scale when massive resources are needed |
| 16:24.04 | enouf | minerale: you've been up 21 days + 18hours+ .. not 12hours |
| 16:24.27 | stoned | itchi: that.. or what I said |
| 16:24.31 | stoned | both are easy |
| 16:24.32 | enouf | minerale: i have no idea how they calculate "cpu hours" though |
| 16:24.33 | perlmonkey | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device ath0; No such device. SIOCSIFADDR: No such device. |
| 16:24.41 | minerale | enouf: oh wait, that does not telle me how may cpu hours I've used |
| 16:24.51 | itchi | stoned: Yup, that grubrecover is that easy :-) |
| 16:24.56 | enouf | minerale: not as far as my common sense tells me |
| 16:25.18 | stoned | man fuck |
| 16:25.25 | perlmonkey | ath0: ERROR while getting interface flags. No such device. SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device. |
| 16:25.26 | minerale | enouf: Each instance predictably provides the equivalent of a system with a 1.7Ghz x86 processor, 1.75GB of RAM, 160GB of local disk, and 250Mb/s of network bandwidth. One cpu hour means that cpu at 100% usage for an Hour I gess |
| 16:25.28 | stoned | there are like hundreds of thousands of people what want me to enlarge my penis |
| 16:25.30 | minerale | guess* |
| 16:25.35 | stoned | that* |
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| 16:25.40 | stoned | godamn spam |
| 16:25.47 | perlmonkey | SIOCSIFBRDADDR: No such device. |
| 16:25.52 | stoned | i hate spam! |
| 16:26.06 | itchi | stoned: I may not say 'share your stuff' this time buahaha |
| 16:26.17 | enouf | minerale: well .. if that's their definition, then that's what you use to calculate against |
| 16:26.18 | perlmonkey | ath0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device. |
| 16:26.21 | stoned | i get at least two penis enlargements mails an hour, some about viagra, and buy xanax online goddamn it stop emailing me |
| 16:26.25 | stoned | :( |
| 16:26.30 | Kasreyn | is there any way I can set up "nfsroot=" with a DNS name instead of IP ? |
| 16:26.32 | perlmonkey | Failed to bring up ath0. |
| 16:26.37 | perlmonkey | any ideas? |
| 16:26.54 | stoned | karsten: umm make a static entry in /etc/hosts? |
| 16:27.00 | itchi | perlmonkey: 'No such devices.' |
| 16:27.06 | perlmonkey | itchi: aye |
| 16:27.12 | stoned | like ip.ip.ip.ip name.you.want |
| 16:27.13 | itchi | perlmonkey: look heh, ifconfig -a |
| 16:27.14 | stoned | etc.? |
| 16:28.04 | perlmonkey | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A): SET failed on device ath0; Invalid argument. |
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| 16:28.34 | perlmonkey | itchi: thanks |
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| 16:29.37 | CharminTheMoose | how can I tell what takes up more memory when i run a program? |
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| 16:29.54 | itchi | perlmonkey: no worry ;-) |
| 16:29.57 | perlmonkey | I got the iface up now, no errors reported but both led's on nic are flashing at same time on, off, on, off... no connectivity |
| 16:30.23 | CharminTheMoose | or to put it simply, is there anyway for me to check how many resources being used by a particular program? |
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| 16:30.38 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 16:30.50 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: htop is nice |
| 16:30.56 | CharminTheMoose | hi perlmonkey |
| 16:30.58 | itchi | perlmonkey: Get you some info in dmesg? |
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| 16:31.21 | perlmonkey | ya, the device seems ok in dmesg, everything is there no probs reported |
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| 16:33.09 | perlmonkey | was told its fully supported in linux |
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| 16:33.31 | perlmonkey | doesnt seem to be eh |
| 16:35.14 | enouf | perlmonkey: you took out your old one (PCI?) and swapped in a new PCI Nic? |
| 16:35.19 | perlmonkey | definitely a problem here :( |
| 16:35.49 | enouf | got the module loaded? |
| 16:36.07 | perlmonkey | enouf: I took out the out nic and put the new one in, before I booted, then I loaded up the driver module and reconfigured interfaces acording to the madwifi howto |
| 16:36.12 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 16:36.14 | boodie | I have included deb-src in sources.list; now, how can I see (i.e. in aptitude) whether a package is or not in source form as opposed to binary?? |
| 16:36.21 | enouf | for pci stuff, see kmuto.jp/debian/hcl |
| 16:36.23 | perlmonkey | *out = old |
| 16:36.29 | perlmonkey | this is pcmcia |
| 16:36.39 | enouf | perlmonkey: eww ..mk |
| 16:36.46 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 16:36.58 | enouf | perlmonkey: how's your udev rules look? |
| 16:37.11 | perlmonkey | i dunno |
| 16:37.17 | enouf | !tell perlmonkey -about interfaces |
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| 16:38.06 | perlmonkey | enouf: i kept it really simple, just changed the dev name to ath0 as per wiki basically |
| 16:38.06 | enouf | perlmonkey: take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 16:38.18 | Enverex | What do I need installed for Java to actually work? Just the jre? |
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| 16:38.29 | boodie | Is there any potential conflict in having deb and deb-src in sources.list? |
| 16:38.29 | enouf | perlmonkey: you're old mac addy may stil be in udev or something .. |
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| 16:38.38 | perlmonkey | oh i see |
| 16:39.03 | enouf | perlmonkey: well ..if the old one wasn't ath0, maybe not .. or the other one is still "in the way" |
| 16:39.17 | perlmonkey | nah the old one was wlan0 |
| 16:39.35 | enouf | look at that file, for conflicts |
| 16:39.40 | enouf | noooooooooooooo |
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| 16:40.18 | Kasreyn | is there any way I can set up "nfsroot=" with a DNS name instead of IP ? |
| 16:40.26 | L|NUX | i have a problem, i was transfering 297GB data. it breaks in the middle of the transfer and now when i start again using rsync it will start from initial |
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| 16:40.32 | L|NUX | is there any way to resume |
| 16:40.50 | perlmonkey | bah |
| 16:41.00 | perlmonkey | same symptom, both LEDs flashing in sync |
| 16:41.19 | itchi | boodie: No. Usually you fetch the source with apt-get source foo in a directory where you want it |
| 16:41.24 | enouf | perlmonkey: correct cables? .. not plugged into reversed ports? ..lol |
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| 16:41.34 | perlmonkey | no cables its wifi |
| 16:41.39 | enouf | gah |
| 16:41.54 | perlmonkey | f'kin fing |
| 16:41.55 | L|NUX | any one ? |
| 16:42.03 | perlmonkey | nuffin ever goes smoothly for me |
| 16:42.08 | perlmonkey | haha |
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| 16:42.24 | itchi | L|NUX: rsync resume, default, i thougt |
| 16:42.33 | enouf | perlmonkey: is this a Craptop? |
| 16:42.37 | helo | perlmonkey: you ever try KY? |
| 16:42.37 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 16:42.41 | enouf | ouch |
| 16:42.54 | boodie | itchi: how about "apt-get source --compile foo"? |
| 16:42.55 | itchi | L|NUX: He just check every file, but not re transfer it |
| 16:42.58 | enouf | perlmonkey: some, you're not allowed to replace cards without some v00d00 |
| 16:43.19 | itchi | boodie: What about binary packages? If you not plan to tweak the sources |
| 16:43.19 | L|NUX | hummm |
| 16:43.26 | itchi | oeps |
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| 16:43.39 | itchi | nah, it was the good nick |
| 16:44.11 | enouf | perlmonkey: "/msg dpkg laptop" |
| 16:44.19 | Enverex | Does Azuerus need special attention to work on amd64 or should it "just work"? |
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| 16:44.24 | boodie | itchi: therefore I assume there is no reason to download packages in source format unless one wanted to hack the code ... |
| 16:44.34 | enouf | heh |
| 16:44.44 | perlmonkey | enouf: I think you're right, I switched to the lower slot and I have connectivity now |
| 16:45.02 | enouf | double heh |
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| 16:45.26 | perlmonkey | ya |
| 16:45.40 | perlmonkey | its strange how both LEDs are flashing in sync still tho |
| 16:45.41 | molle34 | Can i run debian stable on a computer with 128 mb ram and 850 mhz processor and 20gb disc |
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| 16:46.20 | molle34 | ? |
| 16:46.37 | perlmonkey | yeah why not |
| 16:46.49 | perlmonkey | seems a reasonable spec |
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| 16:47.22 | perlmonkey | more memory would be better maybe if you are planning on running a full desktop environment |
| 16:47.24 | itchi | wtf |
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| 16:47.30 | hark | just don't run iceweasel ;) |
| 16:47.35 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 16:47.38 | Trentster | hey all, I previously had a postfix server here and i was connecting to my mail store via imap through evolution, I had to ship that server overseas and made a backup of my " .mailfolder " all the mail is there, I just don't know how to get it back into evolution under a local inbox....can anyone assist please? |
| 16:47.49 | enouf | on top of a DE, and use OOo |
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| 16:48.07 | Enverex | No ideas then? Damn. |
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| 16:48.24 | RatCell | Hey question I am thinking of switching to Debian ETCH as a dual boot options, but I am wandering how hard is it to configure gnome or kde to work with dual monitors. I have two seperate cards pci and age and both of them are NVIDIA. |
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| 16:48.41 | enouf | Enverex: you'll need a chroot env to run 32bit software on 64bit OS, unless you find plugins to replace those |
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| 16:49.28 | Enverex | enouf, Erm, multilib is supposed to remove that need. Also if that's true then why would Azeurus be in the 64bit repo? |
| 16:49.52 | enouf | Enverex: where? a debian repo? |
| 16:50.25 | enouf | Enverex: then it's been compiled for that .. i dont use that crap, but i here many whine about java, flash, acrobat and crap |
| 16:50.26 | Enverex | enouf, THE Debian repo |
| 16:50.38 | Enverex | Damn |
| 16:50.39 | enouf | you mean THE DEBIAN REPO? |
| 16:50.46 | Enverex | dun dun DUUUUN |
| 16:51.38 | itchi | Trentster: Set up the imap server again, and drag and drop your mail? |
| 16:51.45 | enouf | i've heard of ia32-libs , not multilib , but whatever |
| 16:51.54 | itchi | Trentster: Or use some 'convert' tools |
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| 16:52.00 | RatCell | Hey question I am thinking of switching to Debian ETCH as a dual boot options, but I am wandering how hard is it to configure gnome or kde to work with dual monitors. I have two seperate cards pci and age and both of them are NVIDIA. |
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| 16:52.19 | myrkraverk | trying apt-get, I get: |
| 16:52.20 | myrkraverk | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 16:52.26 | enouf | what are you expecting, 3D .. using twinview? which exact cards? |
| 16:52.29 | myrkraverk | what might I need to kill? |
| 16:52.33 | enouf | RatCell: ^^^ |
| 16:52.40 | Trentster | itchi, the imap server is gone... |
| 16:52.46 | aFlag | hello, what's the name of that tool that allow me to set the default browser on debian? |
| 16:52.50 | RatCell | No I am not i just want dual monitors like in xp where I can drag windows from one screen to the other. |
| 16:52.54 | Trentster | itchi, what convert tools should i use? |
| 16:53.08 | wols | aFlag: there is not really a default-browser except what /etc/alternatives/ specifies |
| 16:53.10 | enouf | myrkraverk: use ps aux to find and kill whatever's using it |
| 16:53.14 | Enverex | enouf, Yeah, "multilib" is the general term used for having 32 and 64bit libs... |
| 16:53.14 | wols | man update-alternatives |
| 16:53.20 | myrkraverk | hmm, ok |
| 16:53.41 | enouf | RatCell: sounds very doable |
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| 16:53.45 | itchi | Trentster: Which format was it? |
| 16:53.46 | wols | RatCell: xinerama |
| 16:54.09 | RatCell | would be hard to configure I mean like having to edit xorg.conf, or would it be able to work with the dpkg-reconfigure xorg thing |
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| 16:54.19 | Trentster | itchi, im not sure, how do i check this? i think it was mbox |
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| 16:54.35 | aFlag | wols, that's what I was looking for, thanks |
| 16:54.37 | enouf | RatCell: me personally, not certain, though i have an old nvidia card, using xorg 'nv' driver(works great), and kde does have options for multiple screens |
| 16:54.45 | itchi | Trentster: Is the mail stored in one big file? or in ~/Maildir? |
| 16:54.51 | RatCell | okay |
| 16:54.57 | Trentster | itchi, in .maildir |
| 16:55.10 | RatCell | Question do you recommend Gnome or KDE....? As in speed wise and performance |
| 16:55.25 | itchi | Trentster: I need to search too :-) Cause i not yet have do it :-) |
| 16:55.25 | esters | RatCell: XFCE :> |
| 16:55.26 | Trentster | the mime type of a message is message/rfc822 if that helps |
| 16:55.36 | Trentster | itchi, thanks |
| 16:55.36 | enouf | aFlag: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 16:55.39 | RatCell | ahh...not xfce. Between KDE or Gnome. |
| 16:55.43 | itchi | Trentster: I use a imap server with Maildir format here |
| 16:55.50 | enouf | aFlag: or very similar .. |
| 16:56.13 | aFlag | yah, that was it |
| 16:56.15 | esters | RatCell: personally i don't like KDE |
| 16:56.27 | RatCell | May I ask why esters |
| 16:56.43 | enouf | aFlag: these are your choices, for x related stuff; |
| 16:56.44 | enouf | x-cursor-theme x-session-manager x-terminal-emulator x-window-manager x-www-browser |
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| 16:57.14 | enouf | aFlag: they're listed in /etc/alternatives, or just use tab completion ;-) |
| 16:57.14 | esters | RatCell: the looks, GNOME feels kinda cool and it is more beautifull than KDE , but that is my personal opinion |
| 16:57.28 | aFlag | thanks :) |
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| 16:57.39 | enouf | !fish |
| 16:57.40 | dpkg | [fish] FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 16:57.47 | RatCell | oka thx esters |
| 16:57.56 | esters | RatCell: i can't stand the default grey coloured interface |
| 16:58.05 | Enverex | Why the hell is "menu" a dependency of gparted? |
| 16:58.14 | enouf | heh |
| 16:58.21 | Enverex | I want gparted, but I don't want that retarded double menu thing >.< |
| 16:58.21 | RatCell | well once i get mine installed i will need your help with getting it configured look wise to my liking |
| 16:59.59 | perlmonkey | here we go |
| 17:00.09 | itchi | Trentster: To which format would you it? |
| 17:00.14 | enouf | monkeymagic? |
| 17:00.23 | perlmonkey | now the fun begins again with wpa_supplicant |
| 17:00.26 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
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| 17:00.44 | Trentster | itchi, not exactly do you mean.... |
| 17:00.54 | Trentster | itchi, are you asking what format do i want it in? |
| 17:00.58 | itchi | Trentster: yes |
| 17:01.01 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to convert .s3m/mod files to mp3/wav? |
| 17:01.14 | itchi | Trentster: Again to mbox? |
| 17:01.27 | enouf | ok .. we give up CharminTheMoose , what's s3mod |
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| 17:01.32 | itchi | Trentster: Evolution can go his way with mbox |
| 17:01.36 | Trentster | itchi, I don't know, whatever is the easiest to get it into evolution |
| 17:01.45 | itchi | Trentster: I have found this stuff here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=381568 |
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| 17:02.04 | Trentster | itchi, thanks a lot... |
| 17:02.38 | enouf | mpeg321? |
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| 17:04.09 | CharminTheMoose | enouf .s3m files and .mod files are audio formats |
| 17:04.13 | Trewas | CharminTheMoose: I think xmms plays them and it can output to .wav |
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| 17:04.32 | Deepa | What packages do I need for my WLAN to work? |
| 17:05.03 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: that's nice .. and so are mp3s .. what's gioogle say? |
| 17:05.16 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: nuttin' useful |
| 17:05.30 | itchi | Trentster: There may other ways. Dunno, i'm still searching. Heh, keep your old maildir, in case of ... |
| 17:05.48 | CharminTheMoose | Trewas: how so? |
| 17:05.49 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: file audio.s3m says? |
| 17:05.58 | Trentster | itchi, thanks..didnt realize this would be so difficult |
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| 17:06.17 | enouf | Trentster: doesn't evo have an Import function? |
| 17:06.26 | itchi | Trentster: Try a google search for 'md2mb' |
| 17:06.40 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: outputs 'ScreamTracker III Module sound data Title: "Dancing Dj"' |
| 17:06.46 | Trentster | enouf, yes but does not work for maildir |
| 17:06.54 | enouf | Trentster: ugh .. ok |
| 17:07.07 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: hhaha |
| 17:07.27 | itchi | Trentster: Anyway, you need to import your mbox file |
| 17:07.43 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: so .. if you put that into google and add + mp3 + convert? |
| 17:07.52 | perlmonkey | wooohoooo |
| 17:07.55 | itchi | Trentster: Convert your mail to mbox, then import it |
| 17:08.12 | Trewas | CharminTheMoose: at least xmms description says "MOD, XM, S3M, and other module formats (with MikMod plug-in)" |
| 17:08.19 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: maybe linux too? .. i mean vlc and mplayer are known to almost achieve miracles |
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| 17:08.23 | itchi | Trentster: Works like a charm here :-) |
| 17:08.31 | Trentster | itchi, battling to get the script to work.. |
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| 17:08.57 | itchi | Trentster: There are diff script arround. |
| 17:09.00 | enouf | Trentster: make BACKUP copie first, and then test with those |
| 17:09.23 | kth` | Deepa; Depends on your driver, but usually aptitude install wpa-supplicant wireless-tools wouldn't hurt |
| 17:09.39 | stoned | !lart enouf |
| 17:09.43 | stoned | ok cool |
| 17:09.45 | itchi | Trentster: Yeah, we never know with these random scripts |
| 17:09.49 | stoned | just making sure i didn't ignore any actions |
| 17:10.11 | Deepa | Thanks :D |
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| 17:10.23 | enouf | !tenamentsmite stoned ;-) |
| 17:10.34 | stoned | heh |
| 17:10.40 | stoned | oh crap |
| 17:10.43 | stoned | 01:10 <%G enouf> !tenamentsmite stoned ;-) |
| 17:10.50 | stoned | now my hilights are fucking screwed |
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| 17:10.52 | stoned | brb |
| 17:11.25 | stoned | hey hilight me again |
| 17:11.28 | stoned | pleaes |
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| 17:11.32 | enouf | stoned: |
| 17:11.36 | stoned | ok cool |
| 17:11.37 | stoned | fixed |
| 17:11.39 | stoned | thanks |
| 17:11.45 | stoned | !enter |
| 17:11.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 17:11.49 | stoned | i know i know.. i stop |
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| 17:12.05 | enouf | !fix stoned |
| 17:12.48 | stoned | man |
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| 17:12.59 | stoned | im so elite, I run debian linux in my head |
| 17:13.04 | stoned | so booya |
| 17:13.20 | stew | you are going to want to stay away from sid, then |
| 17:13.24 | stoned | lol |
| 17:13.45 | wols | stoned: too late |
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| 17:15.17 | Enverex | Are there any other bigs external repos other than Debian Multimedia? |
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| 17:16.10 | itchi | Trentster: It is somethings like ./xfmail2mbox.sh /home/USERNAME/Maildir |
| 17:16.53 | Trentster | itchi, thanks |
| 17:16.53 | Corion | Hmmm - I messed up a package (vpopmail-mysql to be exact) and now it's in a state where dpkg won't either reinstall or uninstall it. Is there some way of fixing that/forcing a reinstall without dpkg trying an uninstall first? |
| 17:16.53 | bd_ | Enverex: backports.org? |
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| 17:16.57 | stoned | ever since I put this one guy on my ignore list, life has been soo much nicer.. no more bullcrap.. but it messed up some of my ignors.. I had ignored all actions containig stuff like `away,playing,mp3` you know the crap |
| 17:17.01 | Noiano | hi |
| 17:17.03 | stoned | so i had to redo them over agian |
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| 17:17.12 | psyche_ | http://psyche.shelli.fi/akabane_theme.JPG |
| 17:17.14 | psyche_ | aah... |
| 17:17.16 | psyche_ | now its sexy |
| 17:17.21 | stoned | lemme see |
| 17:17.24 | itchi | Trentster: It make a ./xfmail2mbox.sh /home/david/Maildir |
| 17:17.34 | itchi | Trentster: Sorry, wrong buffer :-s |
| 17:17.46 | stoned | oh my god |
| 17:17.48 | Noiano | Does anyone know how to fake the os when browsing? I want to appear as "windows" |
| 17:17.49 | itchi | Trentster: ~/Maildir.mbox Then import that |
| 17:17.53 | stoned | thats making my retinas burn |
| 17:17.58 | stoned | eye cancer |
| 17:18.13 | stoned | good god man, how can you look at that black/red thing |
| 17:18.16 | stoned | damn :( |
| 17:18.31 | Enverex | bd_, Erm, in general, not just for sarge... |
| 17:18.31 | psyche_ | easily |
| 17:18.31 | Corion | (or is there another channel where I should ask that?) |
| 17:18.34 | stoned | Noiano: you can get this one extention |
| 17:18.49 | stoned | Noiano: for firefox you can simply get this extention that lets you change stuff |
| 17:18.56 | stoned | Noiano: for other browsers im not sure |
| 17:19.01 | itchi | Trentster: But there are missing mails it's looks |
| 17:19.04 | Noiano | stoned: which extention ? |
| 17:19.25 | itchi | Trentster: Nah, look for another maildir to mbox script, that one is not so good, realy not |
| 17:19.36 | bd_ | Enverex: beryl has some small ones. There's not much point in a big external repository for sid, though, as you might as well just get the software into debian proper :) |
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| 17:19.42 | stoned | Noiano: im trying to find it myself |
| 17:19.45 | stoned | Noiano: i forgot the name of it |
| 17:19.51 | Trentster | itchi, I am getting really confused....the maildirectory i have is a local synched copy of the imap store, its sitting in evolution under the imap/account name directory....and it looks like each file is a seperate mail. |
| 17:20.09 | Enverex | bd_, Well I mean repos for stuff that isn't in Debian at all and may not make it in officially anyway |
| 17:20.09 | Noiano | stoned: ok...as soon as you find it please tell me :) |
| 17:20.16 | itchi | Trentster: Yup, it is 'Maildir' |
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| 17:20.37 | itchi | Trentster: Not one big file (aka mbox) |
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| 17:21.01 | bd_ | eviltux: backports.org and debian-multimedia have specific reasons for existing; namely, because stable's frozen, and to workaround patent issues, respectively... any repository with just general stuff'll probably get merged into sid eventually, right? At least I haven't heard of any (except Ubuntu, if you'd consider that an external repository... ;) |
| 17:21.07 | stoned | Noiano: i can't remember the name of it, but i can tell you how to manually change it |
| 17:21.14 | Trentster | itchi, yes, but that script refuses to even start when pointing it at the directory that contains the mail.. |
| 17:21.18 | Noiano | stoned: ok |
| 17:21.22 | stoned | Noiano: in icewease/firefox click addresbar, and type about:config |
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| 17:21.32 | itchi | Trentster: Remove the last '/' |
| 17:21.35 | Noiano | stoned: done |
| 17:21.49 | stoned | Noiano: then the variable name == `general.useragent.extra.firefox` |
| 17:21.57 | itchi | Trentster: ./xfmail2mbox.sh /home/david/Maildir after doing chmod a+x xfmail2mbox.sh |
| 17:22.00 | Gmoliv | how can i make nautilus open every folder in the same window? |
| 17:22.04 | stoned | Noiano: in about:config if you type user it will give you all the variables containing the term user |
| 17:22.07 | bd_ | Enverex: rather, not eviltux, evil tab completion |
| 17:22.07 | stoned | go down the list you'll see it |
| 17:22.29 | itchi | Trentster: But i guess you gona miss some mails too. It looks not a so good convert script. We need to look for another one |
| 17:22.30 | stoned | Noiano: found it |
| 17:22.33 | stoned | Noiano: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 |
| 17:22.38 | stoned | User Agent Switcher 0.6.9 |
| 17:22.53 | Noiano | stoned: gooooooooood.... |
| 17:22.59 | Noiano | I hope it works |
| 17:23.00 | stoned | it is very handy cuz some websites only want you to use IE or netscape |
| 17:23.01 | stoned | assholes |
| 17:23.02 | Noiano | stoned: thanks |
| 17:23.03 | stoned | it works |
| 17:23.05 | stoned | sure no prob |
| 17:23.11 | stoned | i need to do this too myself |
| 17:23.13 | Noiano | perfect |
| 17:23.14 | stoned | thanks for reminding me |
| 17:23.21 | Noiano | thanks for helping me :) |
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| 17:23.43 | itchi | Trentster: Hold on, i do some tests |
| 17:23.54 | Trentster | itchi, tanks |
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| 17:24.56 | psyche_ | does someone have dual screen system? |
| 17:25.11 | psyche_ | with shared desktop |
| 17:25.13 | PaSurf | I am having problems with backup-manager in debian not purging old remote files during the upload process. any ideas? I have modified the .conf to reflect the ttl setting = 5 |
| 17:25.20 | stoned | psyche_: yes, I have Bigdesktop with ATI and twinview with nvidia |
| 17:25.22 | wols | psyche_: ask your real question |
| 17:25.32 | stoned | yeh, what wols said |
| 17:25.38 | stoned | kth`: I use it too |
| 17:25.40 | stoned | :) |
| 17:25.42 | Enverex | bd_, Well yeah, that's fine. I'm just looking for "more stuff" heh |
| 17:26.55 | psyche_ | wols i want good manual for that |
| 17:27.06 | psyche_ | i have 2 screens and i want shared desktop |
| 17:27.20 | kth` | psyche_; Manuals usually differ for diffirent video cards |
| 17:27.30 | psyche_ | ATI |
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| 17:28.07 | wols | psyche_: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 17:28.30 | kth` | psyche_; Try http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors#ATI |
| 17:28.34 | psyche_ | "how to configure XFree86" |
| 17:28.37 | psyche_ | wols Xorg |
| 17:28.40 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 17:28.40 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:28.57 | sander_ | Hi. Wondring if its suppoert for Realtek ALC883 is the linux kernel. |
| 17:29.14 | esters | sander_: yep |
| 17:29.22 | wols | sander_: check alsa-project.org |
| 17:29.36 | Enverex | Does anyone know how to "publish" a torrent file to a tracker? |
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| 17:29.55 | PaSurf | I am having problems with backup-manager in debian not purging old remote files during the upload process. any ideas? I have modified the .conf to reflect the ttl setting = 5 |
| 17:30.06 | aoirthoir | found a great article http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/04/27/1211211 |
| 17:30.08 | aoirthoir | :D |
| 17:30.12 | wols | Enverex: by uploading a .torrent file |
| 17:30.16 | sander_ | esters, you dont know which kinda tv card brand is best supported? |
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| 17:30.42 | esters | sander_: no |
| 17:30.47 | wols | sander_: don't look at brands with linux. always look at chips |
| 17:31.07 | aoirthoir | It says it is written by debian users..which if its true..demonstrates a great sense of humor..thus increasing my interest in debian. |
| 17:31.28 | Enverex | wols, That sounds simple enough but... upload to where? The tracker only shows a page saying "Not tracking any files" and putting it in the "torrents" folder for the server seems to have no effect. |
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| 17:34.21 | wols | ah, I thought you'd use a public tracker |
| 17:34.30 | wols | how about reading the docs for the tracker then? |
| 17:34.53 | itchi | Trentster: In the book Linux Desktop Hacks is a nice trick |
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| 17:35.07 | Trentster | itchi, yeah? |
| 17:35.07 | itchi | Trentster: But i still miss some mails too |
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| 17:35.21 | itchi | Trentster: a 4 line bash script |
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| 17:35.31 | itchi | Trentster: Maybe have i to much sub-dirs |
| 17:35.53 | apple | 2A2A2B5A5A |
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| 17:36.30 | apple | quit |
| 17:36.53 | Trentster | itchi, got to go to work..thanks for all the help..will continue the struggle when i get back..... |
| 17:37.14 | RA3OR | hi itchi, abrotman and jelly-home and all |
| 17:37.24 | itchi | Trentster: http://paste.uni.cc/15035 |
| 17:37.32 | Enverex | wols, Well technically it is a public tracker, lol. It's the original "BitTorrent" server. I can't find any docs though, I'm gonna look a bit harder but I hoped someone would have a quick answer. |
| 17:37.43 | itchi | Trentster: Try and compare |
| 17:37.46 | wols | Enverex: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 17:37.52 | wols | all debian packages have docs of some sort |
| 17:38.02 | itchi | RA3OR: :-p |
| 17:38.05 | Trentster | itchi, will do thanks... |
| 17:38.18 | Enverex | wols, The server is Gentoo actually, just my machine is Debian, heh (I was going to "publish" it from here) |
| 17:38.20 | itchi | Trentster: Pay attention that you been have 'all' your mail heh ;-) |
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| 17:38.54 | wols | then ask #gentoo |
| 17:39.30 | Enverex | wols, They'll probably send me to the bt channel and that'll be dead so I'll never get an answer. |
| 17:39.43 | Enverex | wols, Isn't the official BT client in the repos? |
| 17:39.47 | wols | sucks to be you (and a gentoo user) |
| 17:39.59 | wols | I don't know |
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| 17:40.23 | wols | but even if it is: no debian question. debian has docs. gentoo? who knows |
| 17:40.45 | Enverex | wols, It's general. It's the same program regardless what distro I'm running it on... |
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| 17:41.24 | wols | Enverex: ubuntu runs the same software too. we still don't support ubuntu |
| 17:41.27 | wols | same for gentoo |
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| 17:42.08 | Enverex | wols, As I said, I'm talking about the BitTorrent program, not the server, which is on this Debian box |
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| 17:42.33 | wols | bt has no servers. it has trackers and clients. nothing else |
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| 17:42.54 | wols | and if your tracker is on debian: look into /usr/share/doc. if it isn't: go away |
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| 17:43.57 | Enverex | wols, A tracker is a server... but, meh |
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| 17:50.13 | kramed | dell + ubuntu = official. wow |
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| 17:50.34 | AndyC1 | hi |
| 17:50.39 | AndyC1 | i have a question about apt |
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| 17:50.48 | stoned | we probably have an answer about apt |
| 17:50.53 | AndyC1 | :) |
| 17:51.05 | AndyC1 | what kind of protection does it use on files it installs? it seems to gaurd against overwriting files in an installed package |
| 17:51.13 | AndyC1 | im trying to replace some icons in a pakcage it installed |
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| 17:51.24 | AndyC1 | i overwrote them, but they still show the old ones, even after the reboot |
| 17:51.38 | AndyC1 | and i know I replaced the right ones, since when i reinstall apt overwrites the custom ones |
| 17:51.56 | AndyC1 | so im thinking apt is doing something like realizing they were modified and using backup ones without asking |
| 17:52.04 | AndyC1 | or at least thats the only explanation i can think of |
| 17:52.26 | wols | AndyC1: no it does not |
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| 17:52.46 | stoned | AndyC1: you maybe want to hold a package? |
| 17:52.52 | stoned | i don't quite understand your question |
| 17:53.08 | AndyC1 | What i want to do is replace some icons in an installed package |
| 17:53.11 | wols | stoned: he overwrote a few files (images?) which were installed by a package |
| 17:53.23 | stoned | wols: and he wants to keep the files he overwrote |
| 17:53.24 | wols | in the whope his app would now use the new images. but the app doesn't |
| 17:53.33 | stoned | so he probaby wants to hold the package whose files he replaced |
| 17:53.33 | wols | AndyC1: you overwrote files the app doesn't use probably |
| 17:53.39 | stoned | so the package doesn't get updated/reinstalled |
| 17:53.41 | stoned | right? |
| 17:53.48 | AndyC1 | stoned: right |
| 17:53.52 | stoned | !hold |
| 17:53.52 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 17:53.57 | wols | stoned: it would only get overwritten when he updates |
| 17:53.59 | stoned | there ya go |
| 17:54.15 | AndyC1 | wols: i did an slocate (imagename), and replaced all occurances |
| 17:54.24 | stoned | hold the package, then replace files if you want |
| 17:54.25 | AndyC1 | i also watched to see where it installed the files |
| 17:54.28 | AndyC1 | and replaced them there |
| 17:54.31 | AndyC1 | ok thanks |
| 17:54.41 | wols | well, the app won't use the images you replaced. if it did,. they'd show up when you use the app |
| 17:55.09 | wols | apt does NOT do stupid things like windows file protection. |
| 17:55.17 | AndyC1 | I looked in what files it includes, and those are the only ones it does |
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| 17:55.17 | AndyC1 | hmm |
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| 17:55.48 | wols | holding a pakcage back prevents you from installing a newer version of the package, so your custom stuff won't get overwriten by that |
| 17:56.07 | AndyC1 | wols: it cant be updating it that fast, i didnt install any updates since |
| 17:56.12 | AndyC1 | and ive tried many, many times |
| 17:56.17 | AndyC1 | package is network-manager-gnome |
| 17:56.19 | wols | then you hanve't found the right images |
| 17:56.22 | AndyC1 | hmm |
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| 17:56.44 | AndyC1 | i even did an apt-get source and looked in the makefile |
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| 17:57.16 | AndyC1 | is there a way to see where apt is installing files? |
| 17:57.29 | wols | dpkg -L packagename |
| 17:57.29 | dpkg | ii packagename 2.6-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:57.53 | stoned | heh |
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| 17:58.45 | AndyC1 | /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-signal-00.png |
| 17:58.47 | AndyC1 | etc |
| 17:58.54 | AndyC1 | icons are all replaced there |
| 18:00.06 | AndyC1 | i have no clue why |
| 18:00.17 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.11 | vchrizz | could someone tell me any application which tests the cpu for "errors" or similar? im sure i got any hardware problem because of i/o errors in the whole system, but memtest didnt tell any errors... |
| 18:02.00 | wols | harddisk I/O errors? |
| 18:02.17 | Gryfelhase | chrizz: Ever tried turining off swapp? |
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| 18:02.44 | vchrizz | nope, im running smartd and looking all the time at smart attributes.. disks are k |
| 18:02.47 | ma3x | how do I disable wireless devices on my system (wlan) |
| 18:02.50 | vchrizz | turn off swap? |
| 18:02.54 | ma3x | how do I completly disable the device |
| 18:03.01 | ma3x | so that it doesnt scan for networks |
| 18:03.05 | vchrizz | ma3x: ifdown wl0 ? |
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| 18:03.11 | xoz | vchrizz: checked temp? |
| 18:03.16 | ma3x | vchrizz, will that really stop it from scanning? |
| 18:03.21 | ma3x | ie unload drivers , etc.... ? |
| 18:03.28 | joeyy | how should i part a 120gig drive for a server setup |
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| 18:04.06 | ma3x | joeyy, swap and / |
| 18:04.09 | vchrizz | ma3x: i think so.. when i shut down my wl device, i dont notice any scanning... |
| 18:04.11 | ma3x | usually the best |
| 18:04.26 | cyzie | is there a application that can make the cpu goes 100% ? |
| 18:04.28 | vchrizz | xoz: check temp? what do you mean? |
| 18:04.39 | stew | cyzie: apt-cache show cpuburn |
| 18:05.01 | ma3x | stew, howdy old buddy old pal! |
| 18:05.01 | eeyore- | vchrizz: unlikely your CPU is bad |
| 18:05.05 | joeyy | wouldnt /home /var /tmp /usr be best ? |
| 18:05.07 | ma3x | haven't seen ya in a long time |
| 18:05.22 | ma3x | stew, you busy recently? working on some project? |
| 18:05.22 | eeyore- | vchrizz: be more specific |
| 18:05.25 | AndyC1 | still no idea |
| 18:05.40 | cyzie | thanks |
| 18:05.42 | cyzie | stew |
| 18:05.49 | vchrizz | eeyore-: thats what i think of... but since it works, but gives i/o errors from time to time i thought, testing the cpu before replacing it would be a nice idea ;) |
| 18:05.52 | AndyC1 | im about at my wits end... slocate nm-signal-75 shows 3 locations, icons are replaced in all 3, killall nm-applet && nm-applet, still old icons |
| 18:06.35 | xoz | vchrizz: temperature/overheating |
| 18:06.35 | joeyy | whats lvm |
| 18:06.46 | stew | ma3x: its been a busy couple of weeks with work and having lots of visitors |
| 18:07.06 | ma3x | stew, what you work? net admin, install systems?? |
| 18:07.13 | vyrus001 | evrytime i transfer any type of file data over my lan, my transfer speed goes from roughly 5 megs to around 140k and stays there... i have NO idea whats causeing this, help!?! |
| 18:07.29 | xoz | how come apt-get install package and aptitude install package have different dependencies or files to be installed? |
| 18:07.30 | vchrizz | eeyore-: well, some hours before i couldnt start mplayer, now when i try to compile my kernel, it gives me i/o error about reading a file (deleting the dir and re-extracting doesnt help) |
| 18:07.32 | eeyore- | vyrus001: ssh or what? |
| 18:07.37 | wols | joeyy: probably. depends a bit on what kind of server |
| 18:07.46 | vchrizz | xoz: temp is ok, about 35-40°C |
| 18:07.48 | wols | !lvm |
| 18:07.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 18:07.50 | ma3x | hey wols! |
| 18:07.50 | vyrus001 | eeyore-, anything... samba scp ftp apache etc |
| 18:07.52 | eeyore- | vchrizz: what does "dmesg" say? |
| 18:07.59 | eeyore- | vyrus001: network chip is? |
| 18:08.04 | wols | !tell vchrizz about errors |
| 18:08.16 | ma3x | wols |
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| 18:08.25 | stew | ma3x: all of the above and a lot of perl/web/java programming |
| 18:08.35 | vyrus001 | eeyore-, dont remember... i can look it up... its a 100mbt cawrd |
| 18:08.41 | ma3x | stew, do you like programming? does it amuse you? |
| 18:08.49 | vchrizz | eeyore-: yesterday i did a "less /var/log/syslog" and when i pressed shift+g to scroll to end, it gave me no end of file, just went to 34% of file and not further |
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| 18:08.52 | xoz | vchrizz: what file type? ext3? |
| 18:09.03 | vchrizz | eeyore-: what should i search dmesg for? |
| 18:09.04 | wols | vchrizz: what does syslog say? |
| 18:09.05 | eeyore- | vchrizz: dmesg, please |
| 18:09.10 | vchrizz | xoz: yup |
| 18:09.13 | wols | or dmesg rather |
| 18:09.33 | eeyore- | vchrizz: last few lines of dmesg right around the time when you have I/O error (in other words, if i knew exactly what the problem is i would have told you the answer :-)) |
| 18:09.47 | wols | vchrizz: any entry that happens when you encounter such a probelm |
| 18:10.15 | ma3x | wols |
| 18:10.18 | stew | ma3x: yes, but rarely are the projects i get paid for terribly interesting |
| 18:10.30 | joeyy | this is a xeon server dell |
| 18:10.49 | ma3x | stew, were you working on that project lightning house? |
| 18:10.52 | vyrus001 | eeyore-, u think its the net chip going bad or somthing? |
| 18:10.56 | ma3x | or was that tarzeao? |
| 18:11.00 | eeyore- | vyrus001: no |
| 18:11.03 | wols | I meant what the server will be used for... not who assembled the hardware |
| 18:11.34 | stew | ma3x: never heard of it |
| 18:11.38 | vchrizz | aaaarrrgghh... now im able to compile my kernel ... well, its hard to tell any errors from dmesg or syslog, since i get strange errors from time to time with different apps |
| 18:11.59 | ma3x | ok stew bye see ya ~round |
| 18:12.14 | joeyy | 200 users shell/webhosting it will have 200 ips |
| 18:12.16 | eeyore- | vchrizz: exact error + output of dmesg will help greatly, until then, can't do much for you :-) |
| 18:12.31 | wols | joeyy: 200 IPs? |
| 18:12.33 | eeyore- | vchrizz: IDE drive? PATA or SATA? |
| 18:12.37 | wols | what for? |
| 18:12.44 | ma3x | wols, for vhosts |
| 18:12.52 | eeyore- | 200 IPs? |
| 18:12.54 | joeyy | vhosts :P |
| 18:12.55 | eeyore- | what the ... |
| 18:13.06 | wols | joeyy: VPS, UML or such? |
| 18:14.16 | joeyy | no VPS |
| 18:14.36 | vchrizz | eeyore-: i would like to tell any errors, but how should i tell if im not able to? :) i notice them while working on the system... once mplayer doesnt work, hours later it works but i cant compile kernel, hours later it works again but any other stuff isnt working |
| 18:14.38 | ma3x | just for fun, joeyy likes to own a C class |
| 18:14.48 | vchrizz | eeyore-: 4x160pata |
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| 18:14.59 | eeyore- | vchrizz: IDE controller chipset? |
| 18:15.16 | joeyy | this box is going to be a free shell box |
| 18:15.32 | sylvanthis | hello, i was wondering, is dd low-level format or is it more like zero-fill? (or neither of those?) |
| 18:15.35 | vchrizz | eeyore-: VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] |
| 18:15.37 | vchrizz | kt600 |
| 18:15.41 | wols | joeyy: wth would it need 200IPs? |
| 18:15.46 | wols | joeyy: makes no sense |
| 18:15.56 | eeyore- | vchrizz: how long are the IDE cables, and are they 80-conductor? do you have any bus-master PCI card in the system (hauppauge wintv-pci?) |
| 18:16.17 | eeyore- | vchrizz: the KT's are known for having issues with bus-master, dma-happy pci cards |
| 18:16.22 | wols | sylvanthis: zero fill. but dd can copy, make backuops etc |
| 18:16.26 | joeyy | it may not have all 200 ips |
| 18:16.27 | wols | much more than zerofill |
| 18:16.42 | wols | joeyy: unless you rent out VPS, one IP will be more than enough |
| 18:16.43 | Enverex | "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad_0.10.3-0.5_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstvideo4linux2.so', which is also in package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good" Arg |
| 18:16.43 | eeyore- | DD = disk destroyer, if used incorrectly |
| 18:17.38 | joeyy | i know wols all my other severs are freebsd but i'm wanting to have a linux box |
| 18:17.50 | xoz | vchrizz: try vlc instead of mplayer and check if you still have problems. i think it is mplayer messing with your memory (leaks) |
| 18:17.57 | joeyy | and i was wanting to know what would be the best way to part a 120 gig harddrive ? |
| 18:18.00 | wols | joeyy: do you maybe mean name based vhosts? |
| 18:18.18 | eeyore- | joeyy: entirely up to you |
| 18:18.22 | wols | having /var and tmp and /home on their own is good yes |
| 18:18.27 | xoz | vchrizz: of course, reboot first |
| 18:18.32 | wols | at least on such a (semi) public box |
| 18:18.41 | joeyy | how much in /var /usr do u all have used |
| 18:18.46 | eeyore- | wols: unless you make /var too small and have issues with tmp files for all those servers |
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| 18:19.02 | wols | well, lvm is sorta nice there I guess |
| 18:19.04 | vchrizz | eeyore-: http://rafb.net/p/W2z59B88.html |
| 18:19.05 | eeyore- | wols: i'd say, don't risk it and put one large / and one large /space (or /local, whatever) |
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| 18:19.26 | hark | Enverex: /msg dpkg overwrite |
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| 18:19.32 | wols | and making /var its own partition is good to prevent /var stealing space from your users and vice versa |
| 18:19.42 | joeyy | i have a 120 gig hard drive for the system and i got a 250gig drive for /home |
| 18:19.58 | eeyore- | vchrizz: so your 4x160 are on the Promise controller? |
| 18:20.00 | wols | joeyy: where is the user data? |
| 18:20.10 | vchrizz | xoz: well, mplayer works fine at the moment, but gives no sound... (i didnt change anything with sound, yesterday all sound worked 100% ok) |
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| 18:20.25 | joeyy | 250gig drive for /home |
| 18:20.35 | vchrizz | eeyore-: nope |
| 18:20.44 | AndyC1 | stoned: im looking at the code, it asks gnome for the icon "nm-signal-75", I have done an slocate -u, then located and changed all instances of that icon. still nothing :( |
| 18:20.51 | vchrizz | im using the promise controller for additional storage |
| 18:20.59 | vchrizz | or for booting from cd |
| 18:21.02 | Enverex | hark, Thanks |
| 18:21.16 | eeyore- | vchrizz: and the i/o errors are happening on which drives, on the via controller or the promise controller? |
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| 18:21.30 | Spec | what's current testing called? sid? |
| 18:21.45 | vchrizz | eeyore-: o the via ... i got the i/o errors even before i inserted the promise controller |
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| 18:22.08 | wols | !sid |
| 18:22.10 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 18:22.30 | wols | !topicsmite Spec |
| 18:22.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Spec. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:22.34 | xoz | vchrizz: zero-in the problem with mplayer. do not use it and check if you still have problems. |
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| 18:22.38 | eeyore- | vchrizz: 2.6.20 kernel or earlier? using the reworked sata/pata layer or the original hendrick pata layer? |
| 18:22.54 | vchrizz | eeyore-: 2.6.21.1 |
| 18:23.00 | sylvanthis | wols, ok ty :) |
| 18:23.01 | Spec | ah, lenny :) |
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| 18:23.12 | Spec | who is lenny? the dinosaur? |
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| 18:23.36 | Spec | oh, binoculars |
| 18:23.36 | wols | bincos |
| 18:23.45 | eeyore- | my two NIS servers are Lenny and Carl :-) |
| 18:24.17 | wols | eeyore-: different lenny |
| 18:24.40 | eeyore- | wols: just saying ... |
| 18:24.46 | Spec | heh |
| 18:24.49 | abrotman | i named mine after my brother Daryl and my other brother Daryl |
| 18:25.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: daryl joe bob? |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: Newhart ? |
| 18:26.31 | eeyore- | abrotman: did your dad watch D.A.R.Y.L or something? good thing he didn't like Knight Rider ... |
| 18:26.41 | abrotman | i'd be named KITT |
| 18:27.04 | abrotman | my sister would be Goliath! |
| 18:27.07 | drraid | dpkg is hanging indefinitely while installing openswan -- I've tried to submit a bug report but can't seem to find the right team to handle the issue |
| 18:27.11 | drraid | any suggestions? |
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| 18:27.22 | eeyore- | yeah, uninstall openswan |
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| 18:27.28 | abrotman | drraid: debug the preinst/postinst |
| 18:27.37 | drraid | abrotman: how so? |
| 18:27.41 | abrotman | set -x |
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| 18:27.48 | drraid | abrotman: ive watched the install via strace and can kinda see whats failing |
| 18:27.53 | drraid | '-x' to dpkg? |
| 18:28.13 | abrotman | no .. it's ab ash |
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| 18:28.17 | eeyore- | abrotman: does that work? doesn't dpkg spawn its own shell to do the wrok? |
| 18:28.19 | abrotman | where is it kind of failing ? |
| 18:28.19 | eeyore- | work |
| 18:28.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've seen it work .. i suppose it might not sometimes ... |
| 18:28.40 | xoz | drraid: check /var/lib/dpkg/info/openswan.(post)/(pre)inst |
| 18:28.54 | drraid | abrotman: its in some loop, for a read, which returns EAGAIN |
| 18:28.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: mostly i would just guess :) |
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| 18:29.29 | abrotman | that's a bit vague :) |
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| 18:29.54 | drraid | xoz: what am I looking for in this? |
| 18:30.18 | drraid | There is a postinst, and a prerm, however no preint |
| 18:30.44 | drraid | abrotman: very vague. I can post the strace output to pastebin if it helps? |
| 18:30.57 | abrotman | file pointers suck ... |
| 18:31.01 | abrotman | drraid: you can try |
| 18:31.08 | xoz | drraid: try to understand what they do |
| 18:31.43 | Spec | Anyone know of an online-way to accomplish what apt-file accomplishes? |
| 18:31.57 | drraid | xoz: okay. |
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| 18:32.21 | xoz | Spec: for example, what kind of query to be specific |
| 18:32.29 | eeyore- | xoz: very profound. me? i'd just start sticking the suckers with "echo i'm here" |
| 18:32.30 | Spec | apt-file search mxDateTime.h ;) |
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| 18:37.18 | Spec | ah, got it |
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| 18:37.59 | wols | Spec: packages.debian.org |
| 18:38.02 | Spec | yeap |
| 18:38.19 | Spec | there's no searching for files in package though |
| 18:38.26 | Spec | but i found what i was looking for, so all is good |
| 18:38.58 | wols | Spec: look harder |
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| 18:39.53 | drraid | http://rafb.net/p/TV0KvK19.html is the strace output of openswan installing (hanging) within dpkg |
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| 18:40.56 | Spec | wols: damn, i'm blind |
| 18:41.02 | xoz | drraid: line 46 says you have missing file |
| 18:41.03 | drraid | I wish i knew why its not working.. I contacted the package manager for openswan,who suggested it may be dpkg mis handling it |
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| 18:41.21 | drraid | xoz im blind. and an idiot. thank you |
| 18:41.33 | TimRainey | I accidently set KDM as the default display manager, is there a way I can change it back for the admin? |
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| 18:43.42 | sylvanthis | TimRainey, probably set the script for the previous display manager in /etc/rc5.d/ |
| 18:43.59 | xoz | TimRainey: dpkg-reconfigure kdm? |
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| 18:44.09 | drraid | xoz: what is strange is that the file is present, and if I dpkg -i it, it still hangs? |
| 18:44.17 | abrotman | xoz: a bit odd that the file he's trying to install is missing ? |
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| 18:44.42 | xoz | abrotman: yep! |
| 18:44.46 | waspius | hi...can someone tell me where this folder is located? fonts:/// |
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| 18:45.06 | abrotman | xoz: where's the '1' in the filename coming from ... |
| 18:45.13 | sylvanthis | waspius, lol :P maybe /usr/share/fonts |
| 18:45.35 | drraid | abrotman: was that comical or serious? |
| 18:45.42 | abrotman | drraid: you ahve this "/var/cache/apt/archives/openswan_2.4.6+dfsg.2-1.1_sparc.deb" file ? |
| 18:45.55 | waspius | sylvanthis: thanx but still getting to know it...and how can u search for a folder from console? |
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| 18:46.02 | xoz | abrotman: i think this is a script problem |
| 18:46.10 | wols | waspius: locate or find |
| 18:46.25 | waspius | thanx |
| 18:46.26 | xoz | drraid: try create a symlink |
| 18:47.04 | drraid | abrotman not the exact path, no.. the filename has some differences |
| 18:47.06 | sylvanthis | waspius, you can use find (find [dir] -name "nametosearchfor") |
| 18:47.07 | drraid | xoz okay |
| 18:47.15 | helo | is there any way (in bash? konsole? etc) to disable button repeating? |
| 18:47.15 | sylvanthis | waspius, or ls | grep "pattern" |
| 18:47.22 | helo | xset r off i guess if in X |
| 18:47.35 | waspius | thank you |
| 18:47.39 | sylvanthis | waspius, e.g.: find /home/user -name ".bashrc" |
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| 18:47.51 | sylvanthis | np |
| 18:48.00 | abrotman | drraid: i think the filesystem is inserting random character s:) |
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| 18:48.35 | drraid | :( |
| 18:49.18 | drraid | the expression "1%3a" exists in many of the files :( wonder why |
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| 18:51.02 | drraid | actually.. just "%3a"... ':' ... |
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| 18:52.05 | xoz | drraid: checked BTS? |
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| 18:52.57 | drraid | whats BTS? (pardon my ignorance) |
| 18:53.14 | wols | !bts |
| 18:53.15 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:53.53 | xoz | drraid: http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?dist=sarge&package=openswan..... for sarge |
| 18:54.14 | abrotman | %3a is an _ |
| 18:54.15 | badgers | abrotman: okay |
| 18:54.22 | abrotman | badgers: forget 3a |
| 18:54.22 | badgers | i forgot 3a, abrotman |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | silly bot |
| 18:54.31 | abrotman | IIRC that's what it is anyways |
| 18:54.38 | jetscreamer | silly brot |
| 18:54.48 | xoz | drraid: same with etch, http://qa.debian.org/debcheck.php?list=&package=openswan&arch=&dist=etch |
| 18:54.54 | jetscreamer | !brotsnack! |
| 18:55.17 | abrotman | mmm brats ... |
| 18:55.50 | jetscreamer | wtf is a brot, anyway... |
| 18:55.58 | jetscreamer | a-brot-man... |
| 18:56.20 | eeyore- | *clap* *clap* (look away, roll eyes, groan) |
| 18:56.24 | xoz | drraid: you should contact the maintainer |
| 18:56.29 | PaSurf | I am trying to install sun-java5-jdk on my sarge system but am getting errors with unmet dependancies. What is the best way to address this? |
| 18:56.37 | drraid | 3a = ":"on my machine |
| 18:56.50 | sylvanthis | apt-get moo |
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| 18:56.56 | sylvanthis | is your solution! |
| 18:57.21 | xoz | drraid: try dpkg -i |
| 18:57.46 | xoz | drraid: forget it |
| 18:57.47 | demoan | sylvanthis: apt-get moo -vvvvv ;} might be |
| 18:58.06 | drraid | xoz: ? |
| 18:58.06 | abrotman | PaSurf: on sarge ? |
| 18:58.11 | drraid | xoz: sorry trying to catch up |
| 18:58.13 | PaSurf | yes |
| 18:58.17 | drraid | xoz: I have forgotten 3a |
| 18:58.21 | drraid | it no longer exists. |
| 18:58.30 | xoz | drraid: no, i mean dpkg -i |
| 18:58.40 | sylvanthis | demoan, lol :P |
| 18:58.43 | PaSurf | seems there are issues with xterm and xutils |
| 18:59.03 | xoz | drraid: BTS as of april 30 says that openswan is broken in etch also |
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| 18:59.16 | drraid | xoz: ahh I see. thanks. |
| 18:59.46 | drraid | I really do appreciate the help, and putting up with my failure to research appropriately |
| 18:59.50 | setog3 | hi all , I have a little problem with nvidia proprietary driver and my system, when I reboot Xorg don't start, and if I reinstall nvidia-glx (with --reinstall), it works ... how can I do ? |
| 19:00.21 | drraid | (though I have been trying, to avoid asking completely ignorant questions) |
| 19:00.21 | jetscreamer | drraid: that is hard to do when you're new |
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| 19:01.02 | jetscreamer | setog3: the glx symlink gets overwritten on xorg upgrades i believe |
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| 19:01.16 | PaSurf | It seems I have certain versions of the missing dependancies, and it's requesting newer versions. I have backports in the apt/sources but did seem to address the issue. |
| 19:01.33 | jetscreamer | setog3: it's a symlink for nvidia, but a file for mesa |
| 19:01.58 | setog3 | jetscreamer: but why must I reinstall the package all the time ? something remove the symlink at boot time ? |
| 19:02.06 | xoz | drraid: you can try upstream |
| 19:02.22 | xoz | drraid: but may be more painful |
| 19:02.30 | jetscreamer | ERROR: File '/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so' is not a symbolic link. |
| 19:02.44 | jetscreamer | setog3: xorg update/upgrade does afaict |
| 19:03.25 | PaSurf | abrotman: my issue is I am trying to set up a openfire server. It is installed and I am able to browse to it fine. The documentation says the tar file does not include the java runtime. I wonder if I even need it on the server or if its just recommended for the end users... |
| 19:04.01 | jetscreamer | setog3: i don't know about the nvidia.deb's ... i just know that's what happens to me |
| 19:04.21 | setog3 | jetscreamer: so .. (yes I have upgrade xorg recently), what can I do ? don't sure I understand, (and it's true after reinstalling nvidia-glx I get a symlink libglx.so -> libglx.so.1.0.8776) |
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| 19:04.36 | jetscreamer | setog3: live with it i guess |
| 19:04.37 | PaSurf | I am trying to get sun-java5-jdk install but seems it needs the newer libfontconfig1 and libncurses5 versions. |
| 19:05.07 | jetscreamer | setog3: that's what i do |
| 19:05.26 | abrotman | PaSurf: but on sarge ? |
| 19:05.34 | abrotman | !tell PaSurf about bpo |
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| 19:05.41 | setog3 | jetscreamer: :D ok thx, I will search a little, do you think there is a bug/or a web page explaining this problem ? |
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| 19:06.27 | jetscreamer | setog3: heh. it's a matter of developer politics i think |
| 19:06.31 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 19:06.45 | jetscreamer | setog3: you could ask in #nvidia though |
| 19:06.48 | jetscreamer | or in #xorg |
| 19:06.50 | PaSurf | abrotman: yes on sarge.... I have backports in the apt sources list, but maybe not all the switches (main, contrib, etc) set up |
| 19:06.50 | jetscreamer | or both |
| 19:06.52 | setog3 | I will thx |
| 19:07.06 | abrotman | PaSurf: did you follow the instructions ? |
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| 19:07.28 | PaSurf | abrotman: for backports or openfire? |
| 19:07.29 | joeyy | what i need portmap |
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| 19:07.33 | joeyy | or statd |
| 19:07.34 | lws | I made a booboo |
| 19:07.42 | lws | Anybody know how to revert from testing to etch? |
| 19:07.46 | lws | is it even possible? |
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| 19:08.05 | h3sp4wn | !downgrade |
| 19:08.05 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 19:08.10 | PaSurf | abrotman: for backports yes... |
| 19:08.33 | h3sp4wn | lws: if you haven't dist-upgraded for a long time it would be ok |
| 19:08.42 | lws | I did not realise my apt sources had testing as the distribution still after etch came out. |
| 19:08.42 | PaSurf | abrotman: config file looks like websites example. I will try using the pinning |
| 19:08.59 | Seb | what mailing list software do people usually go with these days ? Anything standing way above the competition ? |
| 19:09.06 | lws | and I have done an update since etch was turned into stable. |
| 19:09.17 | Ronin | lws: then welcome to lenny |
| 19:09.26 | lws | Ronin: agh. |
| 19:09.34 | lws | No! I don't want lenny! :( |
| 19:09.42 | joeyy | how do you all do with installing gcc |
| 19:09.44 | sylvanthis | what is lenny? |
| 19:09.47 | joeyy | apt-get install gcc |
| 19:09.48 | Ronin | lws: why not, its not like its a great deal idfferent then etch |
| 19:09.49 | joeyy | ? |
| 19:09.51 | Ronin | !lenny |
| 19:09.51 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 19:09.54 | joeyy | or is there a diff way |
| 19:09.58 | xoz | lws: the difference may not be that far. |
| 19:10.08 | h3sp4wn | !b-e joeyy |
| 19:10.08 | dpkg | joeyy: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 19:10.26 | joeyy | ok |
| 19:10.32 | lws | Ronin: I don't want any more updates on my production system. I had to go to etch to get support for some hardware when I first installed. |
| 19:10.38 | Enverex | Does anyone know of a program for editing torrent files? (they are binaries so using a text editor breaks them) |
| 19:11.22 | jetscreamer | seems to me some of the torrent progs in sources will do that |
| 19:11.23 | Ronin | lws: ahh now i see |
| 19:11.23 | sylvanthis | a hex editor :P |
| 19:12.17 | xoz | lws: change it to etch and dist-upgrade.... and pray |
| 19:12.27 | Enverex | sylvanthis, No good if I need to add more... that kinda only lets me overwrite |
| 19:12.29 | lws | Ronin: Apparently I was dumb a year ago when I did the install and put in 'testing' instead of 'etch' |
| 19:12.34 | jetscreamer | !info transmission |
| 19:12.42 | jetscreamer | lws: nobody knew |
| 19:12.43 | dpkg | transmission: (free, lightweight BitTorrent client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.1.dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
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| 19:12.59 | Enverex | jetscreamer, Does it let you edit torrent files though? |
| 19:13.01 | lws | jetscreamer: I could have put etch back then still. |
| 19:13.27 | h3sp4wn | lws: have etch and testing sources in sources.list - and use apt-show-versions |
| 19:13.39 | h3sp4wn | lws: try to find out exactly how much of lenny you do have |
| 19:13.58 | vyrus001 | how to i see / edit my "PKG_CONFIG_PATH" ? |
| 19:14.05 | sylvanthis | Enverex, it was more a lousy joke, i don't think hex editors are the way to go :P maybe try www.freshmeat.net, there you can search for an awful lot of apps |
| 19:14.21 | lws | h3sp4wn: I'll just leave it on etch I suppose and live with the versions of this stuff that I have. |
| 19:14.26 | lws | everything seems to be working dandy |
| 19:14.35 | xoz | Enverex: azureus? |
| 19:14.48 | Enverex | xoz, Wont run on this machine |
| 19:15.05 | h3sp4wn | lws: would be useful to know what you do have from lenny (as you won't have any security updates) |
| 19:15.15 | sylvanthis | Enverex, it found GTorrentviewer for me |
| 19:15.19 | lws | h3sp4wn: How do I do that? |
| 19:15.25 | joeyy | how do i disable portmap |
| 19:15.26 | h3sp4wn | lws: apt-show-versions |
| 19:15.30 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Yeah, looking now. Annoying thing is the .deb is i386 |
| 19:15.39 | wols | joeyy: uninstall it? |
| 19:15.45 | h3sp4wn | lws: rememeber if you have openssh from testing you won't get security updates |
| 19:15.49 | lws | h3sp4wn: I don't even have that command |
| 19:15.59 | h3sp4wn | !info apt-show-versions |
| 19:16.01 | dpkg | apt-show-versions: (lists available package versions with distribution), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 19:16.14 | sylvanthis | Enverex, then i'd recommend apt-get ditch debian && emerge gentoo :P or compile from source |
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| 19:16.56 | jetscreamer | Enverex: i 'think' it might... not sure |
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| 19:17.21 | Enverex | sylvanthis, You know, on the Debian "goals" it said about "Care about our users" but I've never actually seen that in practice... heh |
| 19:17.24 | joeyy | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:4551 127.0.0.1:111 TIME_WAIT |
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| 19:17.31 | joeyy | what services is that ? |
| 19:17.38 | xoz | !pamper Enverex |
| 19:17.41 | JordiGH | Enverex: Cheap trick to get help: "Debian sucks; it can't do this." |
| 19:18.02 | JordiGH | Enverex: But we care. What's your problem? I want to help. |
| 19:18.30 | joeyy | google.com :P |
| 19:18.58 | sylvanthis | Enverex, hmm i think they do care actually, but creating debs for i386 i486 etc amd64 the macs and all, is an awfull lot of work |
| 19:19.03 | JordiGH | I've never had much help in #ubuntu. They're way too busy, and too many lusers. ;-) |
| 19:19.19 | concept10 | JordiGH, but they care :) |
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| 19:19.20 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Well amd64 is the second most popular Debian "arch" |
| 19:19.23 | joeyy | Linux openbox.ath.cx 2.6.18-4-486 |
| 19:19.25 | sylvanthis | yea but ubuntu = for n00bs, debian for hackers |
| 19:19.30 | JordiGH | concept10: So do we. |
| 19:19.32 | joeyy | i need to change to i686 |
| 19:19.35 | joeyy | heh |
| 19:19.42 | lws | h3sp4wn: well it's onot on m system. |
| 19:19.58 | JordiGH | And I disagree that Debian is for hackers only. It's done great things to increase userfriendliness. |
| 19:20.02 | concept10 | JordiGH, Thanks man, didnt know you cared. |
| 19:20.03 | sylvanthis | Enverex, true, and they got debs, i run amd64 debian (though i don't think it's officially supported or whatever, my main distro is gentoo though) |
| 19:21.05 | concept10 | ubuntu is nothing much more than sid with a few more patches and a brown theme |
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| 19:21.06 | sylvanthis | JordiGH, that's true, but if you'd wanted "nice defaults" ubuntu would still be the way to go |
| 19:21.06 | JordiGH | concept10: Stick around debian-devel list for a while. You'll see loooong threads about userfriendliness and usability. |
| 19:21.09 | JordiGH | concept10: Big lie. Ubuntu is *very* different from Debian. |
| 19:21.19 | concept10 | JordiGH, not much |
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| 19:21.21 | lws | h3sp4wn: okay, I have 66 packages that are "newer than version in archive" |
| 19:21.21 | JordiGH | sylvanthis: I like Debian's defaults. |
| 19:21.25 | sylvanthis | concept10, well not true, they got like 60% of their own packages, which sometimes don't even work on debian (which is a bad thing in my opinion) |
| 19:21.53 | lws | h3sp4wn: and 21 say there's no version at all in the archive |
| 19:21.55 | concept10 | who cares if ubuntu packages work on debian if its already in sid? |
| 19:21.56 | JordiGH | concept10: They're very different. They include binary blobs that Debian doesn't. They mess around with the packaging system quite a bit (although admittedly, not too much with Universe). |
| 19:22.19 | sylvanthis | JordiGH, i never stick with defaults, i got myself a minimal cd, but you must agree that ubuntu is a better way to go for noobs because it had newbisher defaults |
| 19:22.31 | sylvanthis | at least, i think so |
| 19:22.38 | h3sp4wn | lws: that is with just etch in sources.list ? |
| 19:22.53 | lws | h3sp4wn: yes |
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| 19:23.34 | Enverex | JordiGH, Binary blobs can be good though when there is no alternative or the alternative sucks badly... |
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| 19:23.40 | concept10 | JordiGH, ive run debian and ubuntu about the same length, Sure, ubuntu has its differences, like upstart and different toolchain sometimes, but its not a huge difference on the surface of things |
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| 19:24.00 | demoan | !tell concept10 about ubuntu |
| 19:24.01 | lws | h3sp4wn: I wonder if I can get by with uninstalling and reinstalling these guys |
| 19:24.05 | foo | If the disk is being hit up 100% according to %util in iostat -dkx, and someone else is trying to write a vim file (with 100 lines) ... and it takes 10-20 seconds to write the file... is this normal? |
| 19:24.12 | jetscreamer | concept10: considering that ubuntu seems to get it's source from sid, that's understandable |
| 19:24.15 | h3sp4wn | lws: depends what they are |
| 19:24.20 | demoan | !ubuntu |
| 19:24.21 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:24.24 | sylvanthis | well yes in the end it's all "GNU/Linux" with Gnome, KDE or something else so yes... |
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| 19:24.27 | concept10 | demoan, dont do that |
| 19:24.35 | jetscreamer | i missed the 'own packages' part though |
| 19:25.01 | Enverex | Ubuntu should backport new packages to Debian though, afaik that's rarely done isn't it? |
| 19:25.05 | styvy | its impossible to become root in ubuntu, that's one more big difference |
| 19:25.07 | h3sp4wn | they are not really their own (gnome etc) just the maintainer works for canocial so ubuntu gets them first |
| 19:25.17 | demoan | styvy: you're wrong |
| 19:25.24 | \amethyst | styvy: sudo su |
| 19:25.25 | GhostlyDeath | How can I see a list of loaded modules? |
| 19:25.34 | concept10 | lsmod |
| 19:25.35 | GhostlyDeath | and daemons |
| 19:25.36 | sylvanthis | styvy, sudo -i, sudo bash sudo su- |
| 19:25.44 | demoan | styvy: you can sudo passwd root, and after that setting you could log in as root |
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| 19:26.14 | sylvanthis | but i still think ubuntu sucks, i added a line in fstab, but for some reason the filesystem wouldnt mount |
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| 19:26.37 | JordiGH | Enverex: Binary blobs suck major ass from a technical point of view alone. nVidia's blob constantly makes a friend's box lock up and freeze completely (cam' |
| 19:26.55 | jwisher | is there a way to run swsoft plesk 8 on debian 3.1 x64? on the site it says it supports debian 3.1 i586... |
| 19:26.56 | styvy | sorry, i meant its a tough way to log in as root, not impossible i know |
| 19:26.58 | JordiGH | (can't even zap X), and it just plain *doesn't work* with OpenGL and Xinerama. |
| 19:27.00 | concept10 | sylvanthis, mount manually every boot ftw |
| 19:27.03 | sylvanthis | what are binary blobs exactly? |
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| 19:27.08 | Alfonso | Hello |
| 19:27.20 | sylvanthis | concept10, lol, but my crippled rsi hands... |
| 19:27.22 | Enverex | JohnDoh, Yes but the "nv" driver is slow as hell in 2D and has non-existant 3D :( |
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| 19:27.30 | JordiGH | Enverex: I've been using the free intel video drivers recently and it's been bliss. Even Nexuiz runs very well. It's also the first time I get Beryl/Compiz working. |
| 19:27.34 | \amethyst | sylvanthis: chunks of binary code (sometimes firmware, sometimes host software) without source code |
| 19:27.37 | bts3685|work | so i hate to admit this, but i think i just borked APT. |
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| 19:27.41 | concept10 | sylvanthis, a whole bunch of 0s and 1s hanging out together, sometimes they make fun |
| 19:27.43 | lws | How can I remove a package temporarily while ignoring dependcies? |
| 19:27.59 | JordiGH | lws: You can force it. But why do you want to do this? |
| 19:28.07 | sylvanthis | so basically binary blob is a binary without source code? |
| 19:28.08 | Enverex | JordiGH, I'm using the "radeon" driver on my laptops Radeon Mobility 9000 and it gets stressed with "Kingpin" (a 1998 3D Game) and that's just wrong :( |
| 19:28.12 | \amethyst | "binary blob" seems a little redundant, though, from a databases point of view |
| 19:28.16 | lws | JordiGH: I accidently upgraded some packages to testing, I want to remove all those and reinstall them from stable. |
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| 19:28.35 | \amethyst | but I guess this is the colloquial "blob" |
| 19:28.36 | JordiGH | lws: Oh, man. Good luck. I hope you have a good log of what happened. |
| 19:28.44 | sylvanthis | blob is an interesting word... never heard of it i think |
| 19:28.44 | lws | JordiGH: nope :( |
| 19:28.46 | concept10 | \amethyst, yeah... why people dont just call them binaries is beyond me |
| 19:28.49 | stoned | hey I just put my 500gb disk into my other computer, and debian is already installed on it. Its mostly the same config but ethernet controller is different. what is the name of the ethernet module I need to load for 82562EZ 10/100 ethernet controller |
| 19:28.51 | lws | JordiGH: how do you force it? |
| 19:29.24 | JordiGH | Enverex: My own advice is to buy hardware for the software. I'm not buying nvidia or ATI until they release free drivers, because their binary drivers, even without the ideological problems, suck. |
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| 19:29.55 | stoned | I can't bring up eth0 because when the 500gb disk was in my other pc, sky2 module was working my marvel yukon. Now its the same disk but in a diff pc, and i need to unload sky2 and load the driver for this eth controller. intel... any ideas? |
| 19:29.56 | sylvanthis | so closed source compiled java code = bytecode binary blob? |
| 19:30.01 | Enverex | JordiGH, Yes, but with all due respect, STALKER ain't gonna do shit on an "Intel Extreeeeme Integreated" |
| 19:30.30 | bts3685|work | can someone help me with APT? i forgot/skipped/whatever adding sources to it during the install anddd...now i can't even install autopsy. haha |
| 19:30.47 | JordiGH | sylvanthis: Blobs usually only refer to drivers: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song39.ogg |
| 19:30.54 | sylvanthis | bts3685|work, add a repository and then apt-get update |
| 19:31.01 | JordiGH | Enverex: What's STALKER? |
| 19:31.02 | sylvanthis | lol |
| 19:31.19 | bts3685|work | sylvanthis: duh. i mean, which doc does it give the repo formatting? |
| 19:31.22 | sylvanthis | too many users on the site :( |
| 19:31.28 | JordiGH | sylvanthis: The lyrics are here: http://openbsd.org/lyrics.html#39 |
| 19:31.32 | bts3685|work | i forget how to edit them in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:31.53 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
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| 19:32.15 | JordiGH | bts3685|work: syntax is "deb url [stable|testing|unstable] main (contrib non-free) |
| 19:32.41 | JordiGH | bts3685|work: That is, after main you may optionally add "contrib" and "non-free" if you want to use those repositories. |
| 19:32.45 | bts3685|work | thank you JordiGH! |
| 19:32.45 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list <--big messy example |
| 19:33.05 | stoned | jetscreamer: hey man |
| 19:33.06 | jetscreamer | hery dude |
| 19:33.06 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 19:33.06 | stoned | jetscreamer: do you know the name of the intel 82562EZ driver ? |
| 19:33.20 | Enverex | JordiGH, STALKER: Oblivion Lost? Only the best graphic game out atm, heh |
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| 19:33.23 | jetscreamer | stoned: i haven't had intell since my p233 |
| 19:33.29 | stoned | i just switched disks and debian already installed.. unloaded sky2 and now need to load the driver for this intel eth controller |
| 19:33.35 | JordiGH | Enverex: Is it a free game? |
| 19:33.41 | abrotman | jetscreamer: what did we decide? |
| 19:33.49 | stoned | jetscreamer: what was the factoid about kmuto's website where you can put in your lspci output and get the name of the driver |
| 19:33.53 | Enverex | JordiGH, ... no, Google it |
| 19:33.53 | stoned | i can't recall |
| 19:33.55 | stoned | !kmuto |
| 19:33.59 | stoned | hmm argh |
| 19:34.00 | JordiGH | Enverex: I don't care about non-free games. |
| 19:34.07 | jetscreamer | abrotman: we decided to add an addendum |
| 19:34.12 | Enverex | JordiGH, You must be a very bored person, heh |
| 19:34.23 | jetscreamer | abrotman: also notice that they are ALL commented out |
| 19:34.40 | jetscreamer | per what you said before :) |
| 19:35.04 | JordiGH | Enverex: No, I have great fun with Neverball, Nexuiz, and Wesnoth. They're good for wasting time after I get bored with work. Tremulous looks good too, but I've never had enough network privileges to play it. |
| 19:35.05 | stoned | jetscreamer: nm found it |
| 19:35.25 | Enverex | JordiGH, I look for a little more in games, heh. Oh well. |
| 19:35.33 | jetscreamer | eepro100 ? |
| 19:35.41 | \amethyst | Nethack and angband all the way |
| 19:35.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: but it shows them how to get sid .. bad ... |
| 19:35.46 | sylvanthis | Enverex, can you run oblivion on linux? it didn't work for me in cedega :( |
| 19:36.47 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Yeah, works in Wine |
| 19:36.47 | JordiGH | \amethyst: I heard that Windows Vista can't run Nethack. :-) |
| 19:36.47 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i see you missed the experimental section... |
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| 19:36.48 | abrotman | jetscreamer: no .. i saw it |
| 19:36.48 | Enverex | I don't touch Cedega due to moral reasons |
| 19:36.48 | abrotman | and the kanotix crap |
| 19:36.48 | sylvanthis | Enverex, it hangs on loading with me |
| 19:36.48 | sylvanthis | Enverex, why? what moral reasons? |
| 19:36.48 | concept10 | Enverex, you need to get True Combat Elite |
| 19:36.49 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Remove the video folder |
| 19:36.49 | jetscreamer | abrotman: examples are examples |
| 19:36.49 | stoned | n80861050 Yes Intel Corporation EtherExpress PRO/100 S Server Adapter eepro100,e100 |
| 19:36.49 | stoned | jetscreamer: ^^ does tht sound riht |
| 19:36.49 | Enverex | concept10, Not my type of game |
| 19:36.49 | stoned | for the intel eth controller |
| 19:36.49 | \amethyst | JordiGH: It probably has problems with the 32-bit DOS version, but there's also a win32 version |
| 19:36.49 | sylvanthis | Enverex, so install, then remove video folder? |
| 19:36.51 | concept10 | Enverex, you tried? |
| 19:36.51 | lws | I can't the option in dpkg or apt-get to force dependencies to be ignored |
| 19:36.51 | \amethyst | JordiGH: perhaps it needs recompiling or something? |
| 19:36.51 | abrotman | jetscreamer: bad examples are bad :) |
| 19:36.52 | lws | anybody know what they are? |
| 19:36.59 | jetscreamer | stoned: i dunno. i came up with eepro100 via google, no idea |
| 19:37.02 | Enverex | concept10, Yes |
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| 19:37.20 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Or rename it is better |
| 19:37.24 | jetscreamer | abrotman will love this next one then |
| 19:37.32 | concept10 | I dont understand those strategy games myself.. I just want to shoot somebody |
| 19:37.36 | jetscreamer | lws: dpkg --force-help |
| 19:37.43 | sylvanthis | Enverex, ok, i ll have to download the game again though :P |
| 19:37.51 | Enverex | "Download"? |
| 19:37.54 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you'll surely help lws fix his broken box then ? |
| 19:37.57 | sylvanthis | concept10, warcraft 3 rocks!!! |
| 19:37.58 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Perhaps. *shrug* Not something that's high on my list of priorities to fix, though. ;-) |
| 19:38.15 | JordiGH | concept10: Blobwars! ;-) |
| 19:38.19 | sylvanthis | Enverex, yea i don't wanna pay 50 euro and then it doesn't work |
| 19:38.19 | JordiGH | Metal Blob Solid. |
| 19:38.34 | stoned | jetscreamer: you know anyway to make debian redetect the ethernet controller and driver? |
| 19:38.44 | stoned | the way it does it on install time |
| 19:38.56 | \amethyst | xscorch? |
| 19:38.57 | jetscreamer | no i don't dude |
| 19:39.07 | concept10 | over the last three years, im responsible for downing over 4 billion pixels (embarrassed) |
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| 19:39.19 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Naughty naughty |
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| 19:39.32 | sylvanthis | Enverex, ^^ you paid for it? |
| 19:39.36 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Obviously |
| 19:39.56 | sylvanthis | Enverex, and if it wouldn't have worked? you'd have lost your money! |
| 19:40.00 | Enverex | sylvanthis, Spent £120 on games last week mainly to try in Wine, but I am pretty much the head tester now, heh |
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| 19:40.22 | jetscreamer | abrotman: plz note i'm not trying to argue or start a fight or anything, but: i kinda expect ppl to have 1/2 a clue and try not to do stuff when they don't know wtf is going on. they can always go to #ubuntu for hand holding |
| 19:40.38 | Enverex | jetscreamer, No they can't, not if they're using Debian anyway |
| 19:41.00 | jetscreamer | abrotman: besides, have you ever known me to say no i won't help? |
| 19:41.00 | sylvanthis | Enverex, wow, i have 150 total so i couldn't afford it :P |
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| 19:41.02 | jetscreamer | Enverex: well gee then i guess they'd have to install ubuntu also.... |
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| 19:41.12 | jetscreamer | there's one of those clue examples |
| 19:41.33 | sylvanthis | or they can |
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| 19:41.35 | sylvanthis | read man pages |
| 19:41.37 | Enverex | jetscreamer, then their probably probably would go away but then they wouldn' need to go to #ubuntu so they wouldn't need Ubuntu! arg paradox! |
| 19:41.41 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I kind disagree with you there that Debian is allowed to be complicated but Ubuntu isn't. |
| 19:41.47 | talisker | How do I tell startx to use a different display? |
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| 19:41.53 | Enverex | /s/probably/problem |
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| 19:42.18 | JordiGH | talisker: Set a different DISPLAY environment variable. |
| 19:42.30 | talisker | set DISPLAY=1? |
| 19:42.33 | sylvanthis | well, synaptics automisation IS for the lazy and ignorant |
| 19:42.39 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yes |
| 19:42.43 | Enverex | sylvanthis, I have over 110 bugs filed against my name for Wine now, heh |
| 19:42.51 | abrotman | jetscreamer: if they had 1/2 a clue .. they wouldn't be asking your for a sources.list |
| 19:42.53 | xoz | talisker: .xsession, you mean display manager? |
| 19:42.55 | jetscreamer | i don't mean exactly that, JordiGH .. more like i kinda of expect ppl to not touch what they don't know, i think ppl should be taught to think for themselves not thought for... |
| 19:43.13 | sylvanthis | Enverex, LOL! i've got a stunning 0 bugfills :P |
| 19:43.14 | talisker | I want to run ion and gnome simultaniously |
| 19:43.15 | JordiGH | talisker: export DISPLAY=1, probably. Why do you want to do this? Are you having problems running X after sshing or su ? |
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| 19:43.33 | talisker | I want two different X session to run at the same time |
| 19:43.54 | jetscreamer | anyway, you al have points |
| 19:43.57 | jetscreamer | all |
| 19:44.01 | concept10 | Enverex, have they fixed any of those bugs? |
| 19:44.09 | JordiGH | talisker: I think Gnome lets you start a new session from one of its menus. KDE certainly does. |
| 19:44.19 | Enverex | concept10, http://bugs.winehq.org/buglist.cgi?email1=ben%40atomnet.co.uk&emailtype1=exact&emailreporter1=1 |
| 19:44.23 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 19:44.23 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 560d 22h 37m 58s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 19:44.44 | jetscreamer | 560days ago, #debian went downhill... |
| 19:44.47 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 19:44.53 | eeyore- | 560 days ago? |
| 19:44.54 | abchirk | I have a sargeserver... with mysql5 There is a hint ob bugs.debian.. too. Is it useful to upgrade to etch than...because mysql5.x will not work anymore with 2,4 kernels? |
| 19:44.58 | eeyore- | has it been that long? |
| 19:45.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.11 | sylvanthis | lol sick |
| 19:45.12 | xoz | !seen greycat |
| 19:45.12 | dpkg | greycat is currently on #debian-bots (7m 57s), last said: 'dpkg: factinfo any ideas'. |
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| 19:45.24 | sylvanthis | !seen sylvanthis |
| 19:45.24 | dpkg | sylvanthis is currently on #debian (7m 59s). Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen sylvanthis'. |
| 19:45.34 | sylvanthis | !ping |
| 19:45.34 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:45.36 | talisker | JordiGH, my Current session isn't gnome |
| 19:45.39 | JordiGH | talisker: Yeah, just checked, it does. When it says logout, select "switch user". |
| 19:45.40 | sylvanthis | haha cool :D |
| 19:45.40 | concept10 | Enverex, thats impressive dude |
| 19:45.43 | jetscreamer | greycat is the boss of #bash afaict |
| 19:45.45 | eeyore- | you know after all this time #debian is still my favourite |
| 19:45.55 | sylvanthis | !italy |
| 19:45.55 | dpkg | i heard italy is the county where people eat spaghetti and pizza all day. They have a pope, too, I think. |
| 19:46.05 | sylvanthis | !* |
| 19:46.08 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 19:46.08 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 19:46.17 | jelly-home | !tell sylvanthis -about msg the bot |
| 19:46.17 | sylvanthis | :D |
| 19:46.29 | eeyore- | i like the leissez-faire attitude |
| 19:46.37 | eeyore- | lai |
| 19:46.39 | talisker | I don't think you catch my drift, I want to have two session running at the same time from different ttys |
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| 19:46.43 | jetscreamer | hands off good |
| 19:46.47 | talisker | and I don't use gnome |
| 19:46.50 | JordiGH | Huh, weird. Gnome has the same colour scheme I selected for KDE. |
| 19:47.16 | eeyore- | JordiGH: then it's your KDE that's farking with your gnome .gtkrc theme. tell kde to quit that. |
| 19:47.28 | JordiGH | talisker: Yes, I understand what you mean. :-) Start Gnome first, then select "switch user" from its logout dialogue. That will open a new session on tty8. |
| 19:47.43 | jetscreamer | there's is a kde-gtk-lookalike theme and some script in init.d iirc |
| 19:47.48 | jetscreamer | or a hook |
| 19:47.48 | Enverex | concept10, those bug reports also span 4 distros and 2 aches, heh |
| 19:47.49 | JordiGH | eeyore-: It's probably because I'm using the qt-gtk-theme package. |
| 19:47.52 | RichiH | how do i edit the time a sudo magic cookie is valid? |
| 19:47.55 | jetscreamer | yeah that one |
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| 19:48.23 | eeyore- | JordiGH: there's also a setting in KDE control panel to make gnome use same colors as KDE theme, that one is separate from the qt-gtk-theme i believe |
| 19:48.25 | sylvanthis | !boo |
| 19:48.27 | JordiGH | talisker: Then from the desktop manager, select an ion session. |
| 19:48.28 | sylvanthis | hahahhaa |
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| 19:48.38 | JordiGH | !tell sylvanthis about message the bot. |
| 19:48.41 | jetscreamer | !debian-bots |
| 19:48.42 | dpkg | somebody said debian-bots was #debian-bots where little kids play with their toys. |
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| 19:49.01 | sylvanthis | fair enough =) |
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| 19:49.24 | talisker | JordiGH, isn't there a way to just start a new session? This procedure doesn't seem logical |
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| 19:49.49 | eeyore- | talisker: what's this? |
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| 19:50.20 | talisker | eeyore-, I want to have two x sessions running simultaniously, and I don't want to have to use gnome to do so |
| 19:50.20 | xoz | talisker: man startx |
| 19:50.31 | lws | is there any way to install debianutils if you uninstalled it? |
| 19:50.43 | eeyore- | talisker: you can startx on two different consoles if you want (that'll be ctrl-alt-f7 for one, and ctrl-alt-f8 for the other) or you can run xnest, lots of ways |
| 19:50.46 | JordiGH | You people and your GUI phobia. |
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| 19:51.02 | eeyore- | talisker: you probably want Xnest ... i'm guessing |
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| 19:52.24 | JordiGH | talisker: As if command-line switches were ever logical. ;-) |
| 19:52.36 | kuhwallskee | I'm having a problem with my sound. This is a fresh install.. alsaconf works fine the dirvers load according to alsaconf and lsmod, all my volumes are up in the mixer, but no sound. I checked to see if there was a sound group, but I didn't see one. Any suggestions.. |
| 19:52.40 | h3sp4wn | xephyr is nicer than xnest |
| 19:52.52 | JordiGH | kuhwallskee: Are your speakers plugged in? ;-) |
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| 19:53.05 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: volumes may be "up" but are they "muted" or not? |
| 19:53.16 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 19:53.16 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 19:53.25 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: also, is this analog or s/pdif? |
| 19:53.32 | sylvanthis | im off bb |
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| 19:55.16 | lws | No way to install debianutils? |
| 19:55.20 | JordiGH | !wtf bb |
| 19:55.21 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what bb means... |
| 19:55.36 | FabParma | I need to create an access point that can manage the users surfing time by creating tickets time or traffic-based. Do you know a way? Thamk you in advance |
| 19:55.45 | ditoa | debian rocks :D |
| 19:55.54 | ditoa | infact debian 4 is better than ubuntu! |
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| 19:56.04 | xand | FabParma: I'd ask in #wireless probably |
| 19:56.09 | kuhwallskee | volumes are up and NOT muted, and I dont' know what analog or s/pdif is... and my speakers are plugged in, they're on my ears. |
| 19:56.18 | Eclipser | any software to make a video of the events on a local screen? |
| 19:56.35 | eeyore- | FabParma: dd-wrt |
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| 19:57.00 | FabParma | xand: I'll try. Anyway I'd like to make this on Debian |
| 19:57.03 | JordiGH | Eclipser: There's Xvidcap, not in Debian and forever ITP. :-( |
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| 19:57.33 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: then it's likely to be analog, not many earbuds are digital :-) did you plug the earphones into the correct port? some of them are not clearly labeled |
| 19:57.47 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: maybe you plugged earphone into the microphone port? |
| 19:58.10 | lws | is there no way to install debianutils again? |
| 19:58.10 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, it's the riht port.. |
| 19:58.17 | JordiGH | Holy crap, never mind! Xvidcap is in Debian! :D |
| 19:58.18 | Eclipser | JordiGH, I'll check it out, any alternatives? |
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| 19:58.29 | kuhwallskee | even if i unplug it no sound.. (laptop) |
| 19:58.33 | JordiGH | When did it get submitted? |
| 19:58.48 | Eclipser | oh nice... there's debs on the xvidcap sfnet page |
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| 19:59.08 | eeyore- | JordiGH: gentoo my friend, gentoo |
| 19:59.09 | JordiGH | Eclipser: It's in Debian! |
| 19:59.29 | JordiGH | Oh, no, it isn't. It's in Marillat. My bad, sorry. :-/ |
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| 19:59.50 | jetscreamer | you need to tell the app to use hw:1 instead of hw:0 |
| 19:59.51 | Eclipser | JordiGH, well I have marillat repos |
| 20:00.05 | jetscreamer | for the headphones.. at least that works for me |
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| 20:00.28 | Eclipser | JordiGH, I wonder why my apt-cache didn't find it at first... |
| 20:00.31 | kuhwallskee | jetscreamer, tell me more, I don't understand. |
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| 20:00.55 | Eclipser | JordiGH, oh stupid me, I typed "search" twice :) |
| 20:01.45 | JordiGH | Eclipser ;-) |
| 20:02.14 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, Yeah I'm lost.. the drivers load according to insmod, nothing gives me errors, all the volumes are up in mixer, and I did find the audio group, and I AM a member of it. |
| 20:02.31 | Eclipser | JordiGH, thanks, that's brilliant |
| 20:02.46 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: does your laptop have that "mute" button thing? |
| 20:02.57 | abrotman | new fangled mute buttons |
| 20:02.58 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: i believe that one is a hardware mute (or at least BIOS mute) |
| 20:03.04 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, it does, I've already tried it. |
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| 20:03.38 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: ok, NFI then :-) you mean you tried to press the fn + vol-up button? |
| 20:03.42 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, I've messed with it.. still doesn't work.. I checked my bios to see if itwas disabled.. but it isn't. |
| 20:04.26 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, i did.. no luck.. |
| 20:04.28 | anirban | is there any Etch package for recoll |
| 20:04.36 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: laptop? |
| 20:04.40 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, I know when the sound starts working though it'll be loud as hell though |
| 20:04.42 | JordiGH | anirban: No. |
| 20:04.53 | anirban | okay |
| 20:04.59 | JordiGH | What's recoll anyways? |
| 20:05.05 | anirban | then only way is source installation |
| 20:05.12 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, I believe the FN key doesn't work though cause when I do the same thing for brightness and stuff like that.. nothing chages. |
| 20:05.16 | JordiGH | anirban: You could RFP it. |
| 20:05.21 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, laptop it is.. but headphones... |
| 20:05.28 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: which laptop? |
| 20:05.39 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, panasonic CF-50 toughbook. |
| 20:05.48 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: output from lspci? |
| 20:05.58 | lws | Anybody know how to manually install debianutils if you forced it to be removed? |
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| 20:06.21 | eeyore- | lws: go grab the package and "dpkg -i" it? |
| 20:06.25 | anirban | okay |
| 20:06.36 | anirban | is there any other desktop search |
| 20:06.41 | xoz | lws: apt-get install --reinstall package |
| 20:07.04 | abrotman | anirban: the software from thekompany ? |
| 20:07.04 | JordiGH | lws: You forced stuff, eh? |
| 20:07.04 | anirban | except beagle |
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| 20:07.20 | fuzzy_logic | hi people.. |
| 20:07.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: you need to get out more, here http://www.colorado4wheel.com/images/ouray/end33.jpg |
| 20:07.22 | JordiGH | anirban: locate? ;-) |
| 20:07.35 | JordiGH | anirban: KDE (and probably Gnome) also have their own search tools. |
| 20:07.46 | fuzzy_logic | can anyone help me with my mailserver? i can't get it working.. i can send mail but i can't receive it.. someone plz help me? |
| 20:07.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: looks boring |
| 20:08.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: especially when you've driven there :) |
| 20:08.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: all that fluorescent lights are making your skin pasty |
| 20:08.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: i biked 25-30 miles yesterday :) |
| 20:08.26 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: yyou need pop server, fetchmail? |
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| 20:08.37 | lws | JordiGH: yeah, debianutils is the last one I need to fix |
| 20:08.37 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: imap |
| 20:09.00 | lws | I can't install it because dpkg-deb is returing errors |
| 20:09.04 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, one not.. I hear absolutely nothing thru the headphones when I plug it into the headfone jack, but when i plug it into the mic jac I hear crackling as I plug it in. |
| 20:09.04 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, one second.. |
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| 20:09.06 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:09.13 | JordiGH | lws: This is why we don't force stuff. :-/ |
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| 20:09.33 | lws | JordiGH: heh |
| 20:09.41 | lws | JordiGH: exceptional circumstances |
| 20:09.51 | lws | okay it's not working because tar is missing |
| 20:10.13 | wols | fuzzy_logic: we told you yesterday to make your servre accessible from the internete. until you do that, it's not a mailserver problem |
| 20:10.13 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Is that a real landscape? Places like that don't exist anymore. The world is too hot. |
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| 20:10.29 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, any ideas? |
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| 20:10.34 | lws | what version of tar is ins stable? |
| 20:10.37 | lws | I need to grab the pkg |
| 20:10.44 | jetscreamer | !info tar stable |
| 20:10.48 | anirban | thanks a lot jordiGH |
| 20:10.52 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg info whatever stable |
| 20:10.52 | fuzzy_logic | wols: i don't have an impression that my server is unaccessible from the internet.. how can you tell that it is? |
| 20:10.56 | klim_ | hi, does linux/fdisk have device/partition size limitation? |
| 20:10.58 | dpkg | tar: (GNU tar), section utils, is required. Version: 1.16-2 (etch), Packaged size: 656 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB |
| 20:11.08 | wols | fuzzy_logic: we tried it yesterday, remember? |
| 20:11.26 | abrotman | lws: or check packages.debian.org/tar |
| 20:11.27 | fuzzy_logic | wols: yes.. |
| 20:11.28 | jetscreamer | klim_: not afaik |
| 20:11.29 | dashs | steps to make xpdf the default pdf viewer for iceweasel? |
| 20:11.32 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: it's either the intel 810 audio or the intel-hd one :-) which module did you load? |
| 20:11.41 | klim_ | will it support partition size 10T or more |
| 20:11.43 | wols | the 89 where yous aid there is your mailserver did not answer on port 25 |
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| 20:11.52 | lws | haha, I can't install the debian tar pkg because tar can't unpack it :P |
| 20:11.52 | eeyore- | JordiGH: oh sure, wanna see the black bear pass? |
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| 20:11.56 | klim_ | thanks |
| 20:11.59 | GhostlyDeath | What is SPDIF (In alsa Mixer)? |
| 20:12.48 | Naib | Hiryu, looking at the torrent list there is 21 ISO listed, which one needed for i386 thanks? |
| 20:12.48 | eeyore- | JordiGH: http://yourip.org/gallery/d/218-2/DSCF0496.JPG |
| 20:12.48 | fuzzy_logic | wols: why isn't my server accessible from the internet? it does have a working internet connection |
| 20:12.49 | xoz | Naib: first one is enough |
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| 20:12.50 | Naib | k thanks |
| 20:12.54 | eeyore- | JordiGH: this is the actual pass from distance, http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n257/The_Bucket_06/BlackBear.jpg |
| 20:13.28 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 20:13.29 | eeyore- | GhostlyDeath: sony/panasonic digital interface thingie |
| 20:13.32 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Is this in .ca? |
| 20:13.33 | wols | fuzzy_logic: what is the public IP of your server? |
| 20:13.35 | lws | well, I fubared my system. |
| 20:13.38 | eeyore- | JordiGH: colorado |
| 20:13.39 | GhostlyDeath | I have no sound at all... |
| 20:13.41 | fuzzy_logic | wols: 89.98.88.94 |
| 20:13.46 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, I let alsaconf do all the loading.. snd_intel8x0 is loaded. |
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| 20:13.51 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Oh. I was just there last December. |
| 20:13.58 | jetscreamer | dashs: preferneces content manage file types button |
| 20:14.01 | wols | fuzzy_logic: ok. now it is accessible |
| 20:14.02 | JordiGH | eeyore-: So it looked more like the last picture than the first two. ;-) |
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| 20:14.45 | amphi | eeyore-: nice photos |
| 20:14.54 | wols | rcpt to: fuzzy@ansat.org |
| 20:14.54 | wols | 550 relay not permitted |
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| 20:15.10 | wols | and in the greeting it said: 220 ansata.ansata.org ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 01 May 2007 01:18:21 +0200 |
| 20:15.15 | fuzzy_logic | wols: yes but still i can't receive any mail |
| 20:15.20 | wols | fix your hostname and telle xim to accept mail for ansat.org |
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| 20:15.26 | dashs | jetscreamer: thx |
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| 20:16.27 | fuzzy_logic | wols: any ideas why it doesn't work? |
| 20:16.38 | wols | I just told you |
| 20:16.52 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: does your isp forward your mail to your domain? |
| 20:17.16 | dutchfish | stupid question, i reinstalled a server, on my client the old key is still there for ssh, so its refuses to connect till i remove th eold key, how do i now wich line to remove from .ssh/known_hosts, without destroying all the good ones? |
| 20:17.17 | wols | xoz: irrelevant. I can telnet to his port 25 just fine |
| 20:17.25 | eeyore- | amphi: i missed the west coast :-) |
| 20:17.41 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: i have a router where i have forwarded the imap and smtp ports to my server |
| 20:17.54 | GhostlyDeath | hmm ALSA is fully loaded but no sound comes out of the speakers, volume is 100% and not muted - any suggestions on how to get sound on? |
| 20:17.55 | wols | fuzzy_logic: that is irrelevant. fiy our mailserver. not your router |
| 20:18.00 | eeyore- | here is the youtube vid of my old pals in moab, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnE2eAVIei4 |
| 20:18.02 | amphi | eeyore-: those were from the rockies? (I'm not from .us) |
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| 20:18.08 | xoz | wols: isn't it that the nameserver should be configure to forward mail to his domain? |
| 20:18.12 | fuzzy_logic | wols: what do you mean? |
| 20:18.13 | xoz | *configured |
| 20:18.31 | wols | xoz: only if mailserver is not the same IP as ansat.org |
| 20:18.34 | MetalWolf | Hi, has anyone had problems with window maker where none of the normal buttons work ie alt-tab etc don't work? |
| 20:18.38 | eeyore- | amphi: yeah, the rockies. google search for "black bear pass" and you'll see all you want to know :-) |
| 20:18.41 | wols | 22:15 < wols> fix your hostname and telle xim to accept mail for ansat.org |
| 20:18.57 | amphi | eeyore-: thankee kindly |
| 20:18.59 | fuzzy_logic | wols: its ansata.org |
| 20:19.01 | wols | fuzzy_logic: for example exim thinks it's ansat.ansat.org |
| 20:19.04 | wols | which is it not |
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| 20:19.22 | fuzzy_logic | its ansatA.org :P |
| 20:19.27 | JordiGH | dutchfish: It refuses to connect? You can tell it to override that warning. |
| 20:19.28 | wols | whatever. |
| 20:19.46 | wols | and it actually isn't since you misconfigured |
| 20:19.57 | dutchfish | JordiGH, yes, but how to remove old key from .ssh/known_hosts? |
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| 20:20.17 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, any idea where to start looking.. i've been googling the shit out of it. |
| 20:20.25 | fuzzy_logic | wols: what do you mean? |
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| 20:20.39 | wols | you messed up your hostname for starters |
| 20:20.42 | dutchfish | JordiGH, with sarge you could see the actual ip adresses, not anymore |
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| 20:20.56 | fuzzy_logic | wols: how can i fix that? |
| 20:21.01 | wols | !hostname |
| 20:21.01 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 20:21.13 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: you use your own nameserver? |
| 20:21.24 | r3set | hi, how can avoid loading a module? |
| 20:21.34 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: ah, it is ok |
| 20:21.36 | wols | !tell r3set about blacklsit |
| 20:21.41 | r3set | or better said, explictly forbid it... |
| 20:21.42 | wols | !tell r3set about blacklist |
| 20:22.11 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: no.. i use the nameserver of my hosting company.. but i configured dns so that mail is forwarded to my server |
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| 20:22.56 | eeyore- | kuhwallskee: i would first look for the PCI ID of your sound card, then go on alsa site and see if it's supported, and by which driver, and whether or not your in-kernel driver is recent enough to support it |
| 20:23.16 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: when i try to send a mail to my mailserver, i get mail back from the account where i send the mail from, with this error: |
| 20:23.16 | fuzzy_logic | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.16 | fuzzy_logic | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.16 | fuzzy_logic | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.16 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: what does hostname command returns? as suggested by wols |
| 20:23.16 | *** kick/#debian [fuzzy_logic!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 20:23.17 | fuzzy_logic | oops :P lol |
| 20:23.30 | rahul | lawl |
| 20:23.30 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: it returns ansata |
| 20:23.42 | r3set | thx wols |
| 20:24.04 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, alright.. I'm gonna see what i can find out.. this is really puzzling.. |
| 20:24.13 | kuhwallskee | eeyore-, thanks. |
| 20:24.14 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: try sending from gmail/yahoo. the relay error means that the next hop was not allowed... from my understanding |
| 20:24.17 | wols | fuzzy_logic: you need to set the FQDN |
| 20:24.28 | lws | all better |
| 20:24.28 | lws | yay |
| 20:24.37 | wols | 220 ansata.ansata.org ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 01 May 2007 01:28:01 +0200 |
| 20:24.46 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: will try that |
| 20:24.52 | fuzzy_logic | wols: whats fqdn? |
| 20:25.01 | xoz | !fqdn |
| 20:25.01 | dpkg | [fqdn] Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 20:25.02 | gutano | I had a drive go bad on a mirrored system I didn't setup... I've done a lvm vgreduce --removemissing and my volumegroup seems to be fine and active, but shows no logical volumes |
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| 20:25.08 | wols | this means the mailserver thinks it's ansata.ansata.org, so it will only allow mail for ansata.ansata.org and nothing else. NOT ansata.org |
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| 20:25.28 | gutano | my readings tell me recreating it (esp with wrong params) will bork my data |
| 20:25.46 | gutano | is there any diagnostics I can run to get the logical volume information? |
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| 20:25.50 | xeihin | hi friends |
| 20:25.55 | gutano | hiya |
| 20:25.59 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: is ansata.org in local_domains? |
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| 20:26.16 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: still don't get any mail |
| 20:26.22 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: how can i check that? |
| 20:26.40 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: how did you configure exim? |
| 20:26.58 | epotash_ | hey, since upgrading to etch i have a problem with my network: when i put my laptop to sleep and wake it, the network manager applet in gnome says that i have no network devices, though i am still connected on the lan. everything works fine on boot. i never configured anything since it all was detected during the install. anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 20:26.59 | xeihin | I have exim4 configured and I can send mails with mail firenetx@gmail.com, it is working, but if I use in php mail("firenetx@gmail.com","hello","test"); it don't work, is there a missing package that contain the mail function of php? |
| 20:27.05 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: check what is the message in the bounce folder of yahoo/gmail |
| 20:27.14 | lws | what package does xargs belong to? |
| 20:27.14 | xeihin | I mean ... am I missing a package? |
| 20:27.15 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: with a command suggested by someone yesterday.. i forgot it.. |
| 20:27.18 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: sed |
| 20:27.26 | fuzzy_logic | *sec |
| 20:27.33 | wols | fuzzy_logic: fix your hostname and it will work. |
| 20:27.41 | wols | telnet <local ip of mailserver> 25 |
| 20:27.46 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config , run it again, make sure ansata.org is in there in the part about domaisn considered local |
| 20:27.55 | wols | 220 ansata.ansata.org ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 01 May 2007 01:31:41 +0200 |
| 20:28.01 | fuzzy_logic | xoz: 89.98.88.94 does not like recipient. |
| 20:28.01 | fuzzy_logic | Remote host said: 550 relay not permitted |
| 20:28.03 | wols | that must say ONLY "ansata.org" |
| 20:28.05 | wols | and it will work |
| 20:28.16 | petemc | erm, no |
| 20:28.16 | xoz | fuzzy_logic: try wols suggestion |
| 20:28.22 | fuzzy_logic | i will reconfigure it.. |
| 20:28.38 | wols | petemc: yes. if you tell it to mail to fuzzy@ansata.ansata.org it works. I just tested |
| 20:28.42 | xeihin | petemc can you help me? |
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| 20:29.06 | epotash_ | are there some modules that i need to specify t load/reload? |
| 20:29.11 | kpearce | what package contains the definitions for syntax highlighting in vim? |
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| 20:29.28 | xoz | kpearce: just type :syntax on in vim |
| 20:29.32 | petemc | xeihin: it should just work, check the logs |
| 20:29.37 | fuzzy_logic | wols,petemc,xoz: -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 20:29.39 | xeihin | the log of what? |
| 20:29.41 | wols | !tell xeihin about errors |
| 20:29.49 | wols | fuzzy_logic: you are not root |
| 20:29.52 | xeihin | the mail log? or the php log? |
| 20:29.55 | xoz | eh? |
| 20:30.00 | kpearce | xoz: it doesn't work. If I'm in the gui I get a message that says something about "no syntax types defined on this buffer;" if I'm not in the gui it does nothing. |
| 20:30.13 | petemc | wols: so thats just one way of working around what domains are in local_domains, a machine should have its fqdn in the help string |
| 20:30.13 | fuzzy_logic | wols: thanks.. now it works |
| 20:30.20 | petemc | helo |
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| 20:30.26 | xeihin | wols !tell don't say nothing |
| 20:30.37 | petemc | xeihin: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 20:30.41 | wols | petemc: yes. and right now it's not in that string. ansata.ansata.org does not exist |
| 20:30.55 | petemc | oh, fair enough.. |
| 20:30.55 | kpearce | xoz: I also get an error message when I start the gui version about "paste#paste_cmd" being undefined in the menu.vim config file |
| 20:30.56 | eeyore- | abrotman: http://www.karpel.org/Ron/HTMLCC/20030405_25_JuliaPfeifferL.html are you jaelous yet? |
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| 20:31.18 | xoz | kpearce: is this stable? |
| 20:31.23 | kpearce | no |
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| 20:31.26 | kpearce | unstable |
| 20:31.37 | fuzzy_logic | wols,petemc,xoz: http://paste.debian.net/26973 wich one do i have to choose? |
| 20:31.40 | kpearce | but it's been like this for months, and I update pretty regularly |
| 20:31.45 | nvz | ok.. why the fuck does my google homepage now say iGoogle?! I am seriously about to stop using google now |
| 20:32.01 | wols | fuzzy_logic: you were told yesterday |
| 20:32.06 | wols | can't you keep a simple thing? |
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| 20:32.24 | petemc | fuzzy_logic: if you cant answer the simple questions debconf asks, you'll find looking after a mailserver hardwork |
| 20:32.25 | wols | nvz: google reanmed their "ig" service |
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| 20:32.39 | nvz | wols: thats disgusting |
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| 20:32.59 | jetscreamer | nvz: igoogle.com turns into google.com, when i try to access the url. |
| 20:33.03 | eeyore- | petemc: some mailers are easier than others |
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| 20:33.20 | fuzzy_logic | petemc: sorry.. im noob on this stuff.. i am learning.. |
| 20:33.21 | nvz | jetscreamer: they should be ikilled for being so istupid |
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| 20:33.31 | wols | eeyore-: this debconf queatin is a basica question for ALL mailers |
| 20:33.32 | fuzzy_logic | wols: yes but i forgot :) lot of things happened since yesterday.. |
| 20:33.34 | wols | all good ones anyways |
| 20:33.44 | wols | fuzzy_logic: then read more docs |
| 20:34.56 | wols | jetscreamer: google.com/ig |
| 20:35.18 | nvz | ididn't ithink it was ifunny when iapple iwas icalling ieveryhing isomething-or-iother |
| 20:35.19 | jetscreamer | Warning Warning: Your browser may not fully support the Google Personalized ... Welcome to your Google homepage. Make it your own. (Already have a page? ... |
| 20:35.19 | fuzzy_logic | wols: where can i find those? |
| 20:35.19 | petemc | eeyore-: i wouldnt argue with that, i still think its a good idea to have some grasps of the basics.. |
| 20:35.19 | GhostlyDeath | Those "Device has been mounted 37 times but has not been checked, check forced" things waste my time, there a way I can make it check every 125 mounts or something? |
| 20:35.19 | xoz | kpearce: apt-get remove --purge vim.... the install again using aptitude |
| 20:35.20 | petemc | and the questions debconf asks are v basic |
| 20:35.20 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.21 | LightKnight | GhostlyDeath: tunefs or some sort of, for your filesystem. |
| 20:35.57 | fuzzy_logic | as the mail name i just have to leave mail.ansata.org?? |
| 20:35.58 | mmmmmmmmm | how can i change keyboard to azerty in CLI (prefer temporary change just for that session) |
| 20:35.58 | nvz | I'm sending hate mail to google.. they are officially on my shit list now |
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| 20:35.59 | xeihin | petemc I have this http://rafb.net/p/hUrnsM81.html on /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 20:36.00 | fuzzy_logic | nvz: why? |
| 20:36.00 | wols | mmmmmmmmm: man loadkeys |
| 20:36.00 | RichiH | how do i edit the time a sudo magic cookie is valid? |
| 20:36.01 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've been to acadia more times than i count .. no .. that doesn't make me at all jealous |
| 20:36.01 | jwisher | how can i search apt-get for packages? |
| 20:36.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'll have to try harder :-p |
| 20:36.01 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 20:36.01 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 20:36.02 | shaohui | hey, I wanna back up a database with mysqldump. How can I make sure that the parameter '-ux' is not automatically added with my domain? |
| 20:36.08 | nvz | fuzzy_logic: cause my damn personal homepage says iGoogle for crying out loud! |
| 20:36.08 | jwisher | ty |
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| 20:36.09 | mmmmmmmmm | thx wols |
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| 20:36.14 | abrotman | eeyore-: bermuda is nice in the summer :) |
| 20:36.41 | nvz | fuzzy_logic: iAm iTired iof ihearing ieverything iall ithe idamn itime. |
| 20:36.49 | jwisher | what about packages that i haven't install though, from the repositories? |
| 20:36.50 | GhostlyDeath | LightKnight: What would be the command? (tunefs doesn't exist but tune2fs does) |
| 20:36.51 | nvz | I am not the least bit amused by this |
| 20:36.55 | petemc | xeihin: those logs say your smarthost is refusing the mail with the error unknown user |
| 20:36.55 | fuzzy_logic | nvz: whats the prob with that? apple-hater? |
| 20:36.57 | jwisher | if i wanted to see what java packages were availabe for example |
| 20:37.04 | xeihin | :O |
| 20:37.06 | xeihin | oks |
| 20:37.21 | LightKnight | GhostlyDeath: "man tune2fs" (provided you're talking about ext2/3 partitions). |
| 20:37.28 | kpearce | xoz: thanks, that worked. |
| 20:37.34 | nvz | fuzzy_logic: no I don't hate apple, I am just tired of prefixing every fucking thing with an i and thinking that's cool |
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| 20:37.48 | nvz | fuzzy_logic: google officially isoldout and ican't stand it |
| 20:37.51 | wols | xeihin: you are using gmail as a smarthost. however gmail needs you to log in (with sasl) first bfore you can send mail |
| 20:37.57 | fuzzy_logic | nvz: lol :P |
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| 20:38.31 | LightKnight | GhostlyDeath: tune2fs -c <number> /dev/something |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: Penobscot Bay was my summer playground when i was a kid ... |
| 20:38.50 | petemc | xeihin: also, messages are rejected due to you sending from an address that doesnt exist |
| 20:39.22 | petemc | xeihin: you can use /etc/email-addresses to rewrite the address you use to send out |
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| 20:39.28 | jazbo2185 | What's a program to convert a PDF to a jpeg (or other similar graphic format)? I can't seem to get apt-cache search to tell me the answer... |
| 20:39.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: lucky kid. i had concrete jungle as a playground when i was growing up :-p |
| 20:39.53 | Dave_is_sexy | jazbo2185: get GIMP and Ghostscript |
| 20:39.56 | eeyore- | abrotman: not counting the one jungle that had tigers in it, nah, that one was cool |
| 20:39.57 | xeihin | Im not using gmail like smarthost |
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| 20:40.03 | xeihin | Im ussing mail.jornada.com.mx |
| 20:40.10 | vyrus001 | is there a way to see a log of a kernel panic? (i.e. it paniced so i booted in to the working one and now id like to see the panic log?) |
| 20:40.29 | wols | xeihin: "firenetx@gmail.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost:" you do |
| 20:40.38 | jazbo2185 | Dave_is_sexy: I'd prefer a command line tool if possible, I might be doing this a lot... |
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| 20:40.53 | xeihin | but I wanna use mail.jornada.com.mx like smarthost |
| 20:41.04 | *** part/#debian foo (n=foo@unaffiliated/foo) |
| 20:41.12 | wols | then dpkg-reconfigure your MTA |
| 20:41.15 | xeihin | if I use mail firenetx@gmail.com in the line console it work |
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| 20:41.52 | Dave_is_sexy | jazbo2185: they can both be used on command line if you know how. i think ghostscript is the best choice for such things (but coul dbe wrong) |
| 20:42.08 | Dave_is_sexy | so... evening folks. can anyone recomend a command line too to split a massive text file up into little ones |
| 20:42.19 | xeihin | I don't have nothing about gmail in my config of exim |
| 20:42.23 | xeihin | and If I use the console line I can send them |
| 20:42.42 | eeyore- | Dave2: "split", maybe? |
| 20:42.43 | jazbo2185 | Dave_is_sexy: thanks |
| 20:42.46 | xeihin | nginx user is not autorized in the mail.jornada.com.mx server and it is the php user controler |
| 20:42.56 | eeyore- | Dave_is_sexy: ^^ |
| 20:43.00 | shajra | Hi all. In Redhat, is there a difference between /etc/sysconfig and /etc/default. And if so, is there a reason Debian doesn't have /etc/sysconfig? |
| 20:43.34 | eeyore- | shajra: because debian ain't no redhat? |
| 20:43.50 | eeyore- | shajra: come on, each distribution has its own quirks, get used to it |
| 20:43.58 | xeihin | can some one help me please? |
| 20:44.04 | shajra | eeyore-: just trying to understand standards. |
| 20:44.16 | xoz | shajra: historical reason |
| 20:44.26 | petemc | xeihin: so put nginx@blogs.jornada.com.mx: otheruser@blogs.jornada.com.mx in /etc/email-addresses |
| 20:44.28 | eeyore- | shajra: yeah, "config files usually go in /etc somewhere" standard :-) |
| 20:44.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:44.35 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:44.36 | petemc | xeihin: where otheruser is the user that works.. |
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| 20:45.52 | jazbo2185 | Is there a command in debian called simply "convert"? And if so, what package is it in? |
| 20:46.02 | wols | jazbo2185: imagemagick |
| 20:46.02 | eeyore- | jazbo2185: imagemagick |
| 20:46.05 | petemc | xeihin: or perhaps it might be just "nginx: otheruser@blogs.jornada.com.mx" |
| 20:46.05 | xeihin | not working |
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| 20:46.13 | xoz | jazbo2185: imagemagick |
| 20:46.25 | xoz | heh |
| 20:46.29 | xeihin | I set gaper@jornada.com.mx in /etc/email-addressses but not working |
| 20:46.34 | jazbo2185 | woot thanks folks |
| 20:46.41 | petemc | xeihin: check the logs.. |
| 20:46.53 | petemc | xeihin: what was the full line you put in that file? |
| 20:47.11 | xeihin | 2007-05-01 14:21:07 1HitD5-0002Vy-KR ** firenetx@gmail.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<firenetx@gmail.com>: host postoffice.jornada.com.mx [192.168.6.8]: 550-Verification failed for <nginx@blogs.jornada.com.mx>\n550-Unrouteable address\n550 Sender verify failed |
| 20:47.22 | Dave_is_sexy | hey, how do i say "no leave firefox on workplace 2, and don't bring it to workplace 1 when i click links, but switch to workspace 2" ? :) picky huh? |
| 20:47.34 | petemc | xeihin: as you can see, its not being rewritten |
| 20:47.35 | alan` | hey i just installed Debian 4.0 Etch but it didn't come with the kernel source |
| 20:47.59 | wols | alan`: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 20:48.09 | alan` | can i get it on a cd? |
| 20:48.13 | alan` | like where can i download it |
| 20:48.16 | xeihin | I set: gaper@jornada.com.mx on /etc/email-addresses |
| 20:48.31 | xeihin | then I restarted exim |
| 20:48.31 | petemc | xeihin: thats wrong |
| 20:48.31 | wols | alan`: where you downloaded your ISO |
| 20:48.32 | xeihin | mmm |
| 20:48.32 | alan` | ok |
| 20:48.34 | xeihin | so |
| 20:48.45 | petemc | xeihin: there should be text at the top of that file that gives examples of the syntax |
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| 20:49.00 | petemc | and you shouldnt need to restart exim |
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| 20:49.11 | xeihin | I don't understand |
| 20:49.14 | xeihin | :( |
| 20:49.23 | lewis | guys - it seems that I am missing mscorlib.dll - any ideas why mono didn't install it? |
| 20:49.25 | petemc | nginx: otheruser@blogs.jornada.com.mx |
| 20:49.34 | xeihin | haaaaa |
| 20:49.39 | petemc | change other user to a user that works |
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| 20:49.59 | wols | lewis: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mscorlib.dll&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 20:50.04 | xoz | lewis: because of patents/copyright? |
| 20:50.09 | vyrus001 | why is my 2.6.21 kernel trying toload my 2.6.18 modules? |
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| 20:51.00 | wols | vyrus001: cause you fucked up? |
| 20:51.01 | xeihin | is not working |
| 20:51.01 | petemc | .. |
| 20:51.02 | lhadji | wols that's abit harsh :D |
| 20:51.02 | xeihin | it continue trying to send with nginx@blogs.jornada.com.mx 2007-05-01 14:24:21 1HitHB-0002as-De <= nginx@blogs.jornada.com.mx U=nginx P=local S=374 |
| 20:51.02 | \amethyst | xeihin: what does your line in /etc/email-addresses say, exactly? |
| 20:51.02 | wols | lhadji: the truth often is |
| 20:51.02 | xoz | Vyrus001: what did you do? we are not mind readers |
| 20:51.06 | xeihin | root@blogs.jornada.com.mx |
| 20:51.09 | eeyore- | vyrus001: it's not --- it can't |
| 20:51.26 | \amethyst | xeihin: where do you want the mail to look like it's coming from? |
| 20:51.37 | wols | vyrus001: how did you compile the kernel? how did you install it? |
| 20:51.37 | Dave_is_sexy | nobody knows how to split large text files? |
| 20:51.38 | eeyore- | vyrus001: you misinterpreted something |
| 20:51.54 | eeyore- | Dave_is_sexy: "split", man |
| 20:51.55 | wols | Dave_is_sexy: man split |
| 20:51.55 | xeihin | root@blogs.jornada.com.mx or gaper@jornada.com.mx |
| 20:51.55 | eeyore- | Dave_is_sexy: already told you like 10 minutes ago |
| 20:52.05 | xeihin | but dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config don't ask me about the name |
| 20:52.14 | \amethyst | xeihin: then you want it to say nginx: gaper@jornada.com.mx |
| 20:52.21 | \amethyst | xeihin: note the "nginx:" part |
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| 20:52.36 | xeihin | I don't know why its ussing nginx :S |
| 20:52.39 | Greek-Boy | I have an open port on my box 2000, the service is called callbook? what is this? |
| 20:52.47 | petemc | U=nginx |
| 20:52.58 | wols | xeihin: apt-cache search nginx |
| 20:52.58 | xeihin | I don't know why |
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| 20:53.00 | lewis | thanks - now I get: WARNING **: Could not load file or assembly 'System, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies. (The assembly was not found in the Global Assembly Cache,) |
| 20:53.15 | xand | Greek-Boy: netstat -plunt |grep 2000 |
| 20:53.18 | \amethyst | xeihin: are you using the nginx webserver? |
| 20:53.21 | xeihin | yes |
| 20:53.26 | xand | Greek-Boy: the process will be shown on the right |
| 20:53.29 | \amethyst | xeihin: because it's running as that user |
| 20:53.41 | vyrus001 | wols, eeyore- i took the conf file from a venila 2.6.18.4 and put it in 2.6.21, it compiles fine but when it boots up it trys to load the 2.6.18 modules before it panics, compile line was make && make modules && make modules_install && make install && shutdown -r now, i can compile the 2.6.18 kernel fine, but as soon as i switch to .21 i get these module problems |
| 20:53.42 | xeihin | nginx don't create a nginx user |
| 20:53.45 | Greek-Boy | thanks |
| 20:53.49 | xeihin | I created |
| 20:53.49 | petemc | it appears it did |
| 20:53.56 | wols | vyrus001: make oldconfig first |
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| 20:54.05 | wols | vyrus001: I told you: you fucked up your kernel compile |
| 20:54.08 | vr_mex | can the known_hosts file in .ssh dir have comments? |
| 20:54.09 | xeihin | nginx its running like user www-data; |
| 20:54.11 | Dave_is_sexy | eeyore: oh thankyou. sorry my irc didn't highlight it |
| 20:54.24 | xoz | Vyrus001: make oldconfig first |
| 20:54.41 | vyrus001 | xoz, did that the first time... didnt work eather |
| 20:54.55 | \amethyst | xeihin: so ps aux | grep ^nginx doesn't show anything? |
| 20:55.02 | xoz | Vyrus001: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:55.16 | xeihin | yes |
| 20:55.16 | \amethyst | xeihin: or ps -U nginx |
| 20:55.33 | wols | so it isn't the user but the filename of the process |
| 20:55.39 | eeyore- | vyrus001: that's not "2.6.20 uses 2.6.18 modules" ... try to describe the problems better. all i can see now is "i miscompiled my kernel" |
| 20:55.46 | xeihin | it show this http://rafb.net/p/YYfVaK33.html |
| 20:55.46 | petemc | exim thinks its the user |
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| 20:56.07 | \amethyst | xeihin: so your PHPs are running as user nginx |
| 20:56.09 | eeyore- | vyrus001: besides, definitions have likely changed between 2.6.18 and 2.6.21 (count on it) |
| 20:56.12 | xeihin | yea |
| 20:56.19 | \amethyst | xeihin: And it's PHP sending the mail? |
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| 20:56.25 | xeihin | yes |
| 20:56.28 | \amethyst | xeihin: That's why the user is nginx |
| 20:56.29 | eeyore- | vyrus001: so if you just took the config file and load it in unmodified, you'll be missing several symbols that have been renamed |
| 20:56.34 | xeihin | how can I change this? |
| 20:56.38 | vyrus001 | eeyore-, what i dont undestand is why it made 2.6.21 modules and it isnt using them |
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| 20:56.45 | eeyore- | vyrus001: no it's not |
| 20:56.51 | xeihin | because if I send mails in the console with mail command they leave perfectly |
| 20:56.59 | lewis | what package is needed for mono to find the 'System' assembly in the GAC? |
| 20:57.02 | wols | vyrus001: what is the kernel panic error message? |
| 20:57.03 | |ericsson| | tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys / <--- would that be enough of a complete system.backup for (k)buntu? |
| 20:57.12 | eeyore- | vyrus001: stop saying "2.6.21 uses 2.6.18 modules" without substantiating it :-) |
| 20:57.12 | \amethyst | xeihin: did you add nginx: gaper@jornada.com.mx to /etc/email-addresses ? |
| 20:57.19 | xeihin | no |
| 20:57.25 | xeihin | I just added gaper@jornada.com.mx |
| 20:57.34 | \amethyst | xeihin: read the comment in the file |
| 20:57.35 | vr_mex | can the known_hosts file in .ssh dir have comments? |
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| 20:57.49 | \amethyst | xeihin: the format is local-user: email-addresss |
| 20:57.54 | xeihin | whait a while |
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| 20:58.00 | xoz | Vyrus001: what is the error message during modprobe... check dmesg |
| 20:58.27 | wols | xoz: how can he modprobe anything if he gets a kernel panic? |
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| 20:58.39 | xoz | wols: heh |
| 20:58.40 | xeihin | I set nginx:root@blogs.jornada.com.mx |
| 20:59.11 | xlotlu | how can i change the default sound card with alsa (on etch)? asoundconf list returns nothing.. |
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| 20:59.28 | wols | !tell xlotlu about alsa |
| 20:59.30 | xeihin | not working |
| 20:59.38 | xeihin | http://rafb.net/p/I5JiHB40.html |
| 20:59.51 | lewis | anyone got any suggestions for my mono issues and complaints of assemblies missing? |
| 21:00.13 | xoz | Vyrus001: better use kp and try to compile again. it may also be because you are using the latest kernel... try the older kernel to check if your process is correct. |
| 21:00.14 | petemc | xeihin: do you not have any comprehension of what you're doing, or what you're being told? |
| 21:00.23 | wols | lewis: how did you install mono? |
| 21:00.30 | lewis | apt-get install mono |
| 21:00.43 | xeihin | Im trying :( |
| 21:00.48 | lewis | WARNING **: Could not load file or assembly 'System, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089' or one of its dependencies. - is what I am getting at the moment. |
| 21:00.52 | wols | lewis: then it should have installed mscorlib package. look at mono's dependencies |
| 21:00.56 | xeihin | I don't understand the log |
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| 21:01.11 | wols | xeihin: the log has timestamps |
| 21:01.14 | lewis | the following new packages were intalled: binfmt-support libglib2.0-0 mono mono-common mono-jit libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil mono-gac |
| 21:01.16 | xeihin | I just wanna send mails with mail in php ussing mail.jornada.com.mx |
| 21:01.27 | wols | so you can see at time x I did y and this produced log z |
| 21:01.47 | \amethyst | xeihin: what's that "postoffice.jornada.com.mx [192.168.6.8] Connection refused" ? |
| 21:02.05 | xeihin | no idea |
| 21:02.12 | xeihin | let me see |
| 21:02.17 | neo2k | how to play divx, xvid-files etc ? |
| 21:02.22 | xlotlu | wols, thanks, but changing the modprobe load order is not really an useful option. i used to set the default card with "asoundconf set" .. but that's not working, asoundconf sees no card |
| 21:02.35 | wols | neo2k: xine, totem, mplayer, etc |
| 21:02.41 | xoz | neo2k: vlc |
| 21:03.01 | xeihin | that 192.168.6.8 its mail.jornada.com.mx |
| 21:03.04 | neo2k | wols: xoz: can i just apt-get install them ? what about gstreamer ? |
| 21:03.25 | xeihin | the mail server how I wanna use like smarthost |
| 21:03.25 | lewis | wols? |
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| 21:03.25 | wols | !tell neo2k about search |
| 21:03.43 | \amethyst | xeihin: can you connect to the mail server? |
| 21:03.49 | xoz | neo2k: no harm in trying |
| 21:04.00 | wols | lewis: what debian bracht |
| 21:04.02 | xeihin | I cleared the logs and try agame and I get this http://rafb.net/p/FiIJyt81.html |
| 21:04.04 | lewis | etch |
| 21:04.06 | xeihin | yes I can |
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| 21:04.31 | wols | then I dunno. should work fine |
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| 21:05.05 | lewis | the only thing that I can think of is that I had an earlier version of mono in a directory... |
| 21:05.07 | neo2k | wols: xoz: thanks |
| 21:05.33 | petemc | that was nice of supernet |
| 21:05.34 | wols | lewis: installed without dpkg? |
| 21:05.35 | lewis | I had my bash_rc edited to link to that directory, and was using that mono beforehand. I removed the lines after the new install, and created a new session |
| 21:05.41 | lewis | wols: yeh |
| 21:05.49 | xoz | lewis: what about purging and reinstall? |
| 21:05.53 | \amethyst | xeihin: is it sending more emails? |
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| 21:05.56 | xoz | supernet is stupid |
| 21:06.01 | xeihin | It was :S |
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| 21:06.09 | lewis | xoz: it is a new installation, should it need a reinstall? |
| 21:06.19 | \amethyst | xeihin: It failed to connect the first time, so it won't connect to the host again until it hits the retry timeout |
| 21:06.28 | wols | lewis: if you ahd mono installed before it can't be new |
| 21:06.29 | xoz | lewis: just mono. use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 21:06.51 | lewis | wols: I had mono in a directory beforehand (not through apt-get or dpkg) |
| 21:06.58 | \amethyst | xeihin: you can run exim -qf to resend |
| 21:07.01 | lewis | wols: it was an old version |
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| 21:07.05 | \amethyst | xeihin: err, to retry immediately that is |
| 21:07.15 | wols | and mono made some user or system wide confis which now play havoc with your isntall. |
| 21:07.45 | wols | teaches you not to installs hit from everywhere |
| 21:07.46 | xoz | lewis: you may have problems with the config. better purge the old ones and check. |
| 21:07.46 | wols | *configs |
| 21:07.48 | lewis | okies - one sec |
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| 21:08.01 | xeihin | It was sending :S |
| 21:08.03 | TSWoodV | Greetings! What's the "debian way" of working with samba swat? It seems to need a root password set in order to perform management functions. I don't want to do this. Is there any way around it? |
| 21:08.08 | yung_ | i'm using 4.0 and I can't find /dev/dsp file.. why is that? |
| 21:08.12 | xeihin | now It don't send in the command line |
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| 21:08.29 | wols | yung_: OSS emulation not loaded |
| 21:08.30 | azeem_ | yung_: /dev/dsp is sort of legay, 4.0 uses ALSA by default |
| 21:08.33 | \amethyst | xeihin: ? |
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| 21:08.47 | \amethyst | xeihin: Now you can't send any mail through the smarthost? |
| 21:08.52 | xoz | TSWoodV: /msg dpkg swat |
| 21:08.56 | xeihin | yea |
| 21:08.57 | yung_ | can I load oss emulation? |
| 21:08.58 | wols | TSWoodV: the debian way is to "editor /etc/samba/smb.conf" |
| 21:09.01 | xeihin | I can't send any mail :S |
| 21:09.04 | \amethyst | xeihin: Maybe it banned your IP temporarily? |
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| 21:09.21 | xeihin | who |
| 21:09.29 | xeihin | mail.jornada.com.mx? |
| 21:09.30 | \amethyst | xeihin: mail.jornada.com.mx ? |
| 21:09.32 | xeihin | mmm |
| 21:09.36 | xeihin | how can I know? |
| 21:09.43 | \amethyst | xeihin: are you an admin there? |
| 21:09.48 | \amethyst | on mail. that is |
| 21:09.51 | xeihin | yes |
| 21:09.52 | TSWoodV | wols: Not the answer I wanted, but what I expected. |
| 21:09.55 | yung_ | azeem_: I found that alsa is not work well with arts, so I want to use oss... can I load it? then how? |
| 21:10.00 | xeihin | but I don't have acces to mail.jornada.com.mx |
| 21:10.10 | azeem | yung_: try to modpobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 21:10.10 | xeihin | I just have an acount there |
| 21:10.21 | yung_ | thanks azeem |
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| 21:10.22 | xeihin | the server its in the next floor |
| 21:10.32 | \amethyst | xeihin: Can you read the mail logs? |
| 21:10.43 | Dave_is_sexy | i dpkd'd an ap which wants an older version of python. i wanna say "ignore, they new version is fine" |
| 21:10.47 | \amethyst | xeihin: on mail.jornada that is |
| 21:10.51 | xeihin | no :S |
| 21:11.01 | Dave_is_sexy | *dpkg |
| 21:11.12 | TSWoodV | Ok, let me try this angle. Once you've set a password for root, have you flipped any "magic switches" such that you can't just go and remove the passwd from /etc/shadow and call it even if you want to revert back to the normal sudo way of doing things? |
| 21:11.26 | \amethyst | xeihin: can you telnet mail.jornada.com.mx 25 ? |
| 21:11.28 | petemc | xeihin: you can read your own logs tho, which i would suggest you do |
| 21:11.42 | yung_ | azeem: thanks,, I can see all the file in /dev/ |
| 21:11.44 | xeihin | oks |
| 21:11.50 | lewis | I did a 'apt-get install mono --reinstall' |
| 21:11.51 | yung_ | azeem: thanks |
| 21:12.16 | azeem | cheers |
| 21:12.18 | yung_ | azeem: how can I make sure that module start on every bootup? any config file? |
| 21:12.28 | azeem | yung_: add it to /etc/modules |
| 21:12.40 | xoz | lewis: and? |
| 21:12.41 | xeihin | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 21:12.41 | xeihin | but that could be a secure issue |
| 21:12.51 | \amethyst | xeihin: you gave the number 25? |
| 21:12.54 | xeihin | yes |
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| 21:12.58 | xeihin | $ telnet mail.jornada.com.mx 25 |
| 21:13.01 | \amethyst | xeihin: then it's not letting you connect to the SMTP mort |
| 21:13.04 | \amethyst | s/mort/port/ |
| 21:13.18 | yung_ | azeem: Thanks so much.. |
| 21:13.28 | \amethyst | xeihin: So you might want to contact the admin of mail.jornada.com.mx and see if your IP has been blocked |
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| 21:13.37 | xoz | dave_is_sexy: equivs |
| 21:14.12 | yung_ | anyone know about arts ? |
| 21:14.12 | xeihin | my boss sayd that that pase some times because the mail server its full |
| 21:14.12 | xeihin | that I need wait a while |
| 21:14.30 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: cheers. i guess i'll look that up |
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| 21:14.35 | yung_ | if there are multiple audio devices in my system, how does artsd select device? |
| 21:14.38 | \amethyst | xeihin: ok, once you can connect to it again, you can do exim -qf (as root) to retry all the messages |
| 21:14.46 | xeihin | guys can we try tomorrow? |
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| 21:14.48 | ofirg_ | do I have a firewall installed by default on a new etch? |
| 21:14.55 | \amethyst | xeihin: it should auto-retry every so often |
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| 21:15.30 | lontra | how can i make debian detect my special function keys like ubuntu does? i'd like to run debian instead of kubuntu but need everything to work |
| 21:15.31 | \amethyst | I think the typical settings are to mail you a warning if it couldn't resend in 6 hours, and to bounce it if it can't send in 4 days |
| 21:15.35 | xeihin | :( Im scared :( |
| 21:15.37 | vchrizz | xoz, im currently recompiling my kernel... another i/o error: http://rafb.net/p/OP7ppz85.html |
| 21:15.42 | \amethyst | but I might be thinking of older versions of sendmail |
| 21:15.47 | lontra | i don't mind tinkering |
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| 21:16.11 | lewis | this is the mono error in full: http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/5811 |
| 21:16.18 | jhasse | How can i tell dh_make/dpkg-deb to use bz2 for the debian package? |
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| 21:16.35 | xeihin | well I will try tomorrow =) tnks for the teach |
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| 21:16.39 | xeihin | senseis =) |
| 21:17.21 | xoz | vchrizz: try a lower version kernel and see if you get same error. otherwise, it may be a kernel bug. |
| 21:17.51 | chops | ofirg_: I don't believe etch comes with a firewall by default, no |
| 21:18.15 | ofirg_ | thanks chops |
| 21:18.33 | xoz | vchrizz: what is the meaning of that error? (Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler) |
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| 21:18.50 | chops | ofirg_: Firewalls are often silly on GNU/Linux systems anyway... if you don't want a thing to receive incoming connections on a particular port, don't install the thing in the first place :-) |
| 21:19.41 | vchrizz | xoz: (german) Input-/Outputerror |
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| 21:19.45 | lewis | do you think I need one of the libmono-system packages? |
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| 21:20.09 | JoshH | chops: ya, but there are times when you may want to restrict services to certain networks, etc |
| 21:20.29 | lontra | how can i extend the use of my special fn keys in debian like i can in ubuntu? i have a lenovo 3000 n100 .. the special functions keys corresond to dual monitors, hibernation, adjusting brightness, number locks, etc. so they are very important. i don't mind editing files or recompiling my kernel if i have to |
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| 21:21.46 | dutchfish | the ./ssh/knownhosts file now contains hased versions of clients/IPs instaed of human readbles, how to construct these hashes so i can recognize these hosts/IPs? |
| 21:21.46 | Ankman | umm |
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| 21:21.47 | lewis | thank god |
| 21:21.47 | xoz | lewis: aptitude install feta. feta install mono. feta recommends mono. feta suggests mono. |
| 21:21.47 | Ankman | dbian sarge has probs with UTF-8? |
| 21:21.47 | petemc | Ankman: shouldnt do |
| 21:21.52 | petemc | its not configured by default tho |
| 21:21.52 | vchrizz | Ankman: works for me without problems.. ? |
| 21:21.53 | chops | Ankman: I suspect problems will exist with UTF-8 in places for a very long time... but I've been using UTF-8 since way before sarge, and it's definitely usable in sarge. What's your problem? |
| 21:22.04 | lewis | well, it works. I just had to install about a billion packages: binfmt-support libglib2.0-0 mono mono-common mono-jit libmono-corlib2.0-cil libmono-corlib1.0-cil mono-gac libmono-data-tds2.0-cil libmono-security2.0-cil libmono-system-data2.0-cil libmono-system-runtime2.0-cil libmono-system-web2.0-cil libmono-system2.0-cil libmono0 |
| 21:22.21 | \amethyst | lontra: the package tpb might be useful, or maybe kmilo if you use KDE |
| 21:22.29 | xoz | !beer lewis |
| 21:22.32 | Dave_is_sexy | how to install the manual for equivs? |
| 21:22.34 | lontra | tpb? |
| 21:22.47 | Ankman | that characters look strange |
| 21:22.47 | Ankman | on my lenny system fine |
| 21:22.51 | Ankman | talking about the ttys |
| 21:22.52 | \amethyst | !tpb |
| 21:22.55 | xoz | dave_is_sexy: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 21:22.55 | \amethyst | !info tpb |
| 21:23.03 | dpkg | tpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 21:23.07 | Ankman | but... is sarge is on a vserver may be... |
| 21:23.20 | chops | Ankman: Yeah, it's never worked for me in the VGA console... I don't think it ever will, but I could be wrong. |
| 21:23.23 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: didn't work |
| 21:23.25 | \amethyst | lontra: I don't know what exactly ubuntu uses |
| 21:23.28 | Dave_is_sexy | !equivs |
| 21:23.28 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 21:23.37 | Ankman | no VGA, well no framebuffer |
| 21:23.37 | chops | Ankman: It might work better in a framebuffer console |
| 21:24.02 | chops | Ankman: VGA console is the old-style, non-framebuffer console |
| 21:24.04 | lontra | \amethyst: thanks! i'll give that a shot |
| 21:24.36 | Ankman | i set the locales like LANG and LC_ALL to en.CA.UTF-8 |
| 21:24.45 | Ankman | yep |
| 21:24.49 | Ankman | prefer the old style |
| 21:24.51 | Ankman | :-) |
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| 21:24.55 | chops | Ankman: I as well |
| 21:24.59 | xoz | dave_is_sexy: you have to have /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 21:25.07 | chops | Ankman: The lack of working UTF-8 is a serious annoyance to me as well, though |
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| 21:25.28 | Ankman | chops: seems to work nice locally on lenny |
| 21:25.33 | chops | Ankman: Badass |
| 21:25.41 | vchrizz | is it wrong to configure kernel with make menuconfig and on new kernel version just copy the "old" .config to new kernel, run make menuconfig, save and compile? |
| 21:25.57 | xoz | dave_is_sexy: i mean hack it by editing the dependecy if you want to fool or force something... but it's dangerous if you don't know. |
| 21:26.11 | Ankman | umm, if i want to make a dist upgrade it would just be "apt-get dist-upgrade" right? |
| 21:26.24 | Ankman | doesn't work, but can be due to the vserver its |
| 21:26.27 | chops | Ankman: I thought it was never going to (I remember the kernel guys saying that they hated the VGA console so much that they were never going to support UTF-8 or any wierdness in it) (I'm sort of paraphrasing with my own bias, but that was the essential gist). |
| 21:26.28 | Ankman | limits |
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| 21:26.37 | Ankman | ok |
| 21:26.46 | chops | Ankman: I believe aptitude is preferred nowadays |
| 21:26.58 | Ankman | can't install that |
| 21:27.04 | xoz | vchrizz: always do make oldconfig to merge things added in the latest config of the new kernel. otherwise, oldconfig will not know the new context of the new kernel. |
| 21:27.08 | petemc | vchrizz: copy your old .config to the new kernel dir, run make oldconfig , it should be noted the kernels debian provide work well for the most part |
| 21:27.09 | Ankman | probaly fucked up database or packages |
| 21:27.30 | chops | Ankman: Oh er ugh oof |
| 21:27.40 | chops | Ankman: In that case dist-upgrade may not exactly give you a victory |
| 21:28.00 | Ankman | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:28.00 | Ankman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.01 | Ankman | E: Broken packages |
| 21:28.19 | chops | Ankman: Huh |
| 21:28.19 | Dave_is_sexy | equivs is the hardest thing ever. how about something more like "dpkg -i <program.deb> -justdoiteverythingisfinebecauseihaveanewerversion |
| 21:28.22 | Enverex | Does anyone know of a link to a lamen terms "how to build Debian Packages" guide? |
| 21:28.27 | chops | Ankman: Are you upgrading from sarge to etch, then? |
| 21:28.31 | vchrizz | ok, will do this way ;) |
| 21:28.38 | xoz | vchrizz: it is like using an old remote control to a new tv that has added features. |
| 21:28.38 | Ankman | i hoped it would just install newer package, also he broken |
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| 21:28.41 | Ankman | would like to |
| 21:28.53 | Ankman | above was an attempt to install aptitude |
| 21:28.58 | chops | Ankman: aptitude is capable of installing a newer package and upgrading whatever needs to be upgraded as well |
| 21:29.00 | Ankman | server is head less btw. |
| 21:29.02 | chops | Ankman: apt-get not quite so much |
| 21:29.04 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: because that's bogus. |
| 21:29.22 | Ankman | apt-get packet=$VERSION may be too |
| 21:29.34 | chops | Ankman: I advise you to read the release notes... if you switch your sources.list back to sarge, you should be able to install sarge's aptitude and proceed from there |
| 21:29.37 | Ankman | anyway, i cannot install aptitude |
| 21:29.41 | chops | Ankman: As an alternative |
| 21:29.43 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: build a debian package out of the new version, if you think you know so much more than dpkg. or just manage all the files on your drive manually. |
| 21:29.53 | Ankman | chops: they are at sarge |
| 21:29.53 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: but it wants an old version of python. you know, i'm just going to open the .deb and change the dependencies. that seems like a much better solution all round |
| 21:29.56 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: hell, more than dpkg and the debian developers |
| 21:29.58 | Ankman | didn't touched yet |
| 21:30.05 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: yeah, you're smart |
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| 21:30.09 | chops | Ankman: Oof |
| 21:30.20 | rahul | oh, no wonder. he's an ubuntu user. |
| 21:30.41 | rahul | !ubuntusmite Dave_is_sexy |
| 21:30.41 | xoz | dave_is_sexy: you can change the dpendency in the status file i told you. just make a backup |
| 21:30.41 | chops | Ankman: Installing aptitude certainly works for me... I'm not sure what to tell you :-/ |
| 21:30.41 | rahul | heh |
| 21:30.47 | Ankman | chops: what would happen if i replace 'sarge" by "etch"? |
| 21:31.12 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: it'll work, the same error comes up on windows, and ignoring it there works fine. |
| 21:31.13 | Ankman | the libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 is broken here |
| 21:31.18 | chops | Ankman: I'd try to figure what's up with failing to install aptitude first |
| 21:31.20 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: k, will look |
| 21:32.12 | Enverex | Guide? People? *poke* |
| 21:32.12 | chops | Ankman: aptitude is the preferred upgrade path from sarge->etch I know |
| 21:32.12 | Ankman | would like to |
| 21:32.12 | Ankman | but it doesn't let me install it |
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| 21:32.30 | Ankman | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:32.32 | Ankman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.38 | Ankman | E: Broken packages |
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| 21:32.43 | Dave_is_sexy | oh. damn. how do i open a .deb. xarchiver says it's not an archive |
| 21:32.50 | Ankman | and i cannot wipe libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 21:32.57 | Ankman | if, apt breaks |
| 21:32.57 | xoz | !.deb |
| 21:32.58 | dpkg | [.deb] a debian package, or an ar archive containing control.tar.gz (debian stuff) and data.tar.gz (the files) |
| 21:33.12 | chops | Ankman: Why is that package broken, then? |
| 21:33.23 | Peri | !sarge kernel |
| 21:33.37 | Peri | what's the latest kernel sarge can run without having to backport? |
| 21:33.42 | Ankman | chops: if i only knew ;-) |
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| 21:33.58 | Dave_is_sexy | xoz: but it wont open as an archive |
| 21:34.08 | homecable | anyone want to help me with a free shell project ? |
| 21:34.15 | Ankman | chops: i tried to find it in the wild to force installation but nmo lu(or time) yet |
| 21:34.22 | Ankman | oops |
| 21:34.55 | Ankman | tried to find the package in the wild and force installation of it over the broken version, but no luck (((((((time to really search) yet |
| 21:35.12 | Ankman | so i hoped a dist upgrade would fix that and other probs |
| 21:35.28 | chops | Ankman: Should be easy to find, http.us.debian.org and go to the pool directories |
| 21:35.49 | Ankman | ty |
| 21:35.52 | chops | Ankman: Er |
| 21:35.58 | Ankman | will add this to the source lists too |
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| 21:36.11 | chops | [moise@qix ~]$ dpkg -l libapt-pkg-libc6.3 |
| 21:36.11 | chops | No packages found matching libapt-pkg-libc6.3. |
| 21:36.29 | chops | Ankman: Where did you get that package? I don't see it in my sarge installation. |
| 21:36.35 | Enverex | Does anyone know of a link to a lamen terms "how to build Debian Packages" guide? |
| 21:37.14 | abrotman | !mg |
| 21:37.14 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 21:37.17 | nyty | hit padlo |
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| 21:37.30 | abrotman | !package basics |
| 21:37.30 | dpkg | i guess package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html, or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 21:37.35 | Ankman | chops: hmm |
| 21:37.39 | Ankman | was always there |
| 21:38.00 | Peri | !kernel sarge |
| 21:38.24 | chops | Ankman: Oh |
| 21:38.26 | concept10 | Enverex, theres even a video on google video that might tickle your fancy on packaging |
| 21:38.27 | chops | Ankman: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/virtual/libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 |
| 21:38.36 | homecable | !secure howto |
| 21:38.40 | homecable | !help secure howto |
| 21:38.49 | Ankman | uuntu on debian? |
| 21:38.51 | chops | Ankman: Sorry, try #ubuntu |
| 21:38.55 | Ankman | hehe |
| 21:38.59 | Ankman | i try the other link |
| 21:40.11 | xoz | any #ubuntu user asking ubuntu issues in #debian should be shot on sight :) |
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| 21:41.00 | concept10 | can we all just get along? |
| 21:41.08 | chops | Ankman: Especially one looking to upgrade from sarge to etch :-/. |
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| 21:41.45 | Ankman | chops: what happened if i replace the "sarge" entries to "etch" in the source.list? |
| 21:42.05 | abrotman | !tell homecable about secure debian |
| 21:42.16 | chops | Ankman: You're running a system that is at least partially made of ubuntu, unless I'm mistaken. Sorry, we can't help you here. |
| 21:42.42 | Ankman | chops: ty anyway :-) |
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| 21:42.52 | Ankman | no, pure sarge |
| 21:43.20 | Octopssy | Anyone knows what I should alter to make port 113 listen for identd for my current logged in user at my system? |
| 21:43.33 | Octopssy | Like on ip 192.168.0.2 in stead of 0.0.0.0 |
| 21:43.36 | Peri | so, anyone know what the latest kernel sarge can run is that doesn't require the use of backports? |
| 21:43.41 | Octopssy | I already added it in my port fwd scheme |
| 21:43.48 | h3sp4wn | Peri: 2.6.8 |
| 21:44.02 | h3sp4wn | Peri: but etch is stable anyway now |
| 21:44.07 | Peri | right |
| 21:44.09 | Octopssy | it doesn't work now, although if I do checks with check-open-ports checkers they all say they get a response directly.. |
| 21:44.20 | Peri | except that i have 10 boxes that all have to remain completely compatible with each other |
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| 21:44.30 | Peri | and i need to get a qlogic card working :-/ |
| 21:44.31 | homecable | hey |
| 21:44.39 | CaBiDe | apt pwd |
| 21:44.54 | apt | from memory, pwd is $pwd |
| 21:44.55 | homecable | whats a good webserver to run ? |
| 21:44.55 | Enverex | Apache |
| 21:44.55 | Peri | homecable: apache |
| 21:44.55 | abrotman | homecable: are you running Debian ? |
| 21:44.55 | homecable | yeah |
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| 21:45.11 | chops | Ankman: Your system is _not_ purge sarge. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libapt-pkg-libc6&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 21:45.23 | chops | s/purge/pure/ |
| 21:45.43 | lunix_ | Peri: so what's the deal? |
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| 21:45.49 | homecable | anyone run apache1.3 anymore |
| 21:46.40 | chops | homecable: I do, on sarge |
| 21:46.52 | chops | homecable: It treats me fine :-0 |
| 21:46.53 | chops | :-) |
| 21:46.57 | abrotman | homecable: many people |
| 21:47.14 | homecable | openbox:~# apt-cache search apache|grep apache1.3 |
| 21:47.14 | homecable | openbox:~# |
| 21:47.25 | Peri | well, i can't get any kernel support for the qlogic cards i have with the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:47.28 | Peri | not that i can find anywhere |
| 21:47.49 | chops | homecable: dpkg -l apache |
| 21:47.56 | abrotman | homecable: apt-cache --names-only search apache |
| 21:48.05 | homecable | openbox:~# dpkg -l apache |
| 21:48.05 | homecable | No packages found matching apache. |
| 21:48.20 | chops | homecable: That I can't help you with. It works for me. |
| 21:48.21 | abrotman | he meant dpkg -l apache* |
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| 21:49.03 | homecable | openbox:~# dpkg -l apache* |
| 21:49.03 | homecable | No packages found matching apache*. |
| 21:49.24 | abrotman | then install it |
| 21:49.25 | abrotman | homecable: apt-cache --names-only search apache |
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| 21:50.29 | chops | abrotman: No, I meant apache. 'apache' is the name of the apache 1.3 package (well, it is on my sid system at least). |
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| 21:51.32 | abrotman | chops: and if he had apache2 already installed ? |
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| 21:52.05 | homecable | i dont have any installed |
| 21:52.09 | homecable | i want to install 1.3 |
| 21:52.33 | concept10 | install apache! |
| 21:52.37 | lunix_ | the go for it |
| 21:52.41 | lunix_ | then |
| 21:52.42 | chops | abrotman: He'd see "pn apache <none> (no description available)"... er, right. I get it :-) |
| 21:52.54 | chops | homecable: apt-get install apache |
| 21:53.57 | homecable | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 21:53.57 | homecable | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.08 | homecable | apache2-utils |
| 21:54.17 | abrotman | so say y? |
| 21:54.25 | homecable | but i want the 1.3 |
| 21:54.27 | homecable | not 2 |
| 21:54.39 | concept10 | homecable, thats a bonus package for your enjoyment |
| 21:54.42 | abrotman | it's just the utils .. it's not a big deal |
| 21:54.52 | Octopssy | Should /usr/sbin/identd be running by default on a debian system at startup? Cause I noticed it actually isn't running but when I do 'netstat -ant' I see that its listening on 0.0.0.0:113. Does anybody know? |
| 21:55.00 | homecable | ok |
| 21:55.01 | homecable | :P |
| 21:55.29 | concept10 | Octopssy, identd wakes up (I guess) when services are called. That's its job |
| 21:55.49 | Octopssy | so if ircd server asks for ident, it should respond? |
| 21:55.59 | Octopssy | I'm trying to figure out why it isn't working here. |
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| 21:56.25 | Octopssy | It's port forwarded through my router. Check-open-port tools say its open and it directly responds |
| 21:56.30 | concept10 | its deamonized on my box |
| 21:56.56 | homecable | chops what php do u use ? |
| 21:57.21 | alan` | what is the file system for a cdrw? |
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| 21:57.24 | PrinceAMD | hello all |
| 21:57.32 | Octopssy | concept10: How can I make it run on 192.168.0.2 as demon? |
| 21:57.36 | concept10 | i need some new feeds, my list is getting boring |
| 21:57.37 | PrinceAMD | can i use etch with kernel 2.4.33 |
| 21:57.38 | Octopssy | daemon* |
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| 21:57.53 | alan` | devian will not let me mount w/o telling it the file system |
| 21:58.04 | alan` | debian* |
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| 21:58.28 | Dave_is_sexy | awesome. changing the dependency worked perfectly :) it's all just logic really |
| 21:59.00 | pingouin | about apache2, when i do : apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-php5, i got 2 versions displayed : Version: 5.2.0-8+etch3 and Version: 5.2.0-8+etch1, how do i choose the most recent when i apt-get install ? |
| 21:59.05 | Octopssy | concept10: any idea how I could set it up as daemon? |
| 21:59.37 | concept10 | Octopssy, sorry man, i have no experience in that. Please check the man page: man -k inetd |
| 21:59.41 | Octopssy | ok |
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| 22:00.21 | PrinceAMD | can i use etch with kernel 2.4.33 |
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| 22:00.44 | Octopssy | nm, oidentd works fine |
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| 22:01.00 | streuner | sure, but why do you want use not 2.6.x kernel? |
| 22:01.00 | h3xis | PrinceAMD, why would you want to? |
| 22:01.16 | lontra | i know that my hardware supports dimming but kpowersave is telling me it doesn't ... do i need to install a specific package to allow this? |
| 22:01.20 | PrinceAMD | h3xis modem dont work with new kernel there is no new drivers |
| 22:01.29 | Octopssy | ah i wished so nm |
| 22:01.58 | h3xis | PrinceAMD, but it works with 2.4.33? |
| 22:02.10 | PrinceAMD | h3xis yes |
| 22:02.17 | Octopssy | oident 14610 0.0 0.0 6992 568 ? Ss 00:01 0:00 /usr/sbin/oidentd -mf -P 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 -u oident -g oident |
| 22:02.22 | h3xis | hm, odd. |
| 22:02.24 | talisker | what can be removed from the var partition? I have no room left there and don't know how to clean it up without causing demage |
| 22:02.25 | Octopssy | how should it run actually>? |
| 22:02.33 | h3xis | PrinceAMD, what modem is it, exactly? |
| 22:02.44 | PrinceAMD | intel 56k ham modem |
| 22:02.51 | PrinceAMD | h3xis intel 56k ham modem |
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| 22:04.22 | h3xis | PrinceAMD, i see no reason why you couldnt use 2.4.33 |
| 22:04.58 | homecable | is 2.6.18-4-486 secure and stable or do i need to make my own kernel ? |
| 22:05.41 | PumpkinPie | the more you tweak your kernel the more stable |
| 22:05.46 | PumpkinPie | its all relative |
| 22:06.41 | homecable | do any of you patch ur kernel with that g something |
| 22:06.47 | homecable | i forget the name of it |
| 22:06.54 | h3sp4wn | grsec? |
| 22:06.57 | homecable | yeah |
| 22:07.24 | PrinceAMD | h3xis so if i compile kernel 2.4.33 it will work with no problems? |
| 22:07.51 | h3sp4wn | PrinceAMD: use the lastest at least (2.4.34.4) |
| 22:07.58 | h3sp4wn | *latest |
| 22:08.02 | karsten | talisker: Truncate some logfiles. |
| 22:08.07 | karsten | talisker: ... starting with old ones. |
| 22:09.22 | PrinceAMD | h3sp4wn ok thanks |
| 22:09.22 | h3xis | 2.4 uses hotplug and not udev, though, right? |
| 22:09.22 | lws | anybody know if there was anything from sarge->etch that would cause my tape tar backups to go about 10x slower? |
| 22:09.23 | karsten | talisker: cd /var/log; ls -lt |
| 22:09.23 | homecable | what php do people use thes days ? |
| 22:09.23 | karsten | talisker: 'du' is your friend and will show you where space is being used. 'aptitude autoclean' is another good thing to do. |
| 22:09.23 | karsten | homecable: as little as possible. |
| 22:09.28 | karsten | talisker: Those two can recover a lot of space. Otherwise, depends on how much you've got allocated and on what's using it. |
| 22:09.31 | h3sp4wn | PrinceAMD: Should be able to compile with gcc 4 I think (I don't think 2.4.33 will) if it fails just use gcc 3.4.6 |
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| 22:10.36 | h3sp4wn | PrinceAMD: If its a desktop I would use http://www.plumlocosoft.com/kernel/ (that as well) |
| 22:10.43 | PrinceAMD | h3sp4wn i will use 2.34.4 as u said first will that compile with gcc 4 |
| 22:10.52 | karsten | talisker: I'd advocate at *least* 2 GB dedicated to /var, more if you're doing anything which might remotely start using up sapce. |
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| 22:11.15 | karsten | talisker: Ping ping |
| 22:11.49 | xingu | lws: maybe check your tape blocking factor? |
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| 22:12.00 | h3sp4wn | PrinceAMD: I think so (You would have to check the changelogs I think support was added in 2.4.34) |
| 22:12.01 | talisker | sorry, had to go, thanks for the advice |
| 22:12.34 | PrinceAMD | h3sp4wn ok |
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| 22:13.18 | karsten | talisker: NP. |
| 22:13.36 | karsten | talisker: How much space do you have allocated to /var / how much is being used? |
| 22:13.43 | karsten | talisker: ... and is it its own partition? |
| 22:13.48 | Dave_is_sexy | command to see disk space? |
| 22:14.07 | RichiH | df |
| 22:14.27 | homecable | is kernel 2.6.18-4-486 stable and secure or should i change the kenrel ? |
| 22:14.41 | talisker | karsten, 2.5 gigs, 100%, it's own partition |
| 22:14.45 | homecable | what kernel you all use on a server |
| 22:14.57 | Dave_is_sexy | richih: ta |
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| 22:15.07 | homecable | <h3sp4wn> grsec |
| 22:15.08 | karsten | homecable: One that works. |
| 22:15.19 | karsten | talisker: That should be OK. |
| 22:15.19 | homecable | what seting did you use |
| 22:15.28 | karsten | talisker: du -s /var/* | sort -nr |
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| 22:15.37 | karsten | talisker: ... should tell you where it's at at top-level. |
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| 22:15.54 | karsten | talisker: If you can't clear space check for open-but-deleted files (lsof | grep var | grep deleted) |
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| 22:16.03 | Topuzoglu | I have just installed etch but I cannot mount my partitions |
| 22:16.03 | h3sp4wn | homecable: depends what it needs to do what you want - I use a distribution kernel unless I have a very good reason not to |
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| 22:16.31 | homecable | this is my web server / ircd server |
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| 22:17.03 | lontra | what package do i need to install so that i can adjust my brightness? i know that my computer supports this |
| 22:17.13 | Topuzoglu | I have just installed etch but I cannot mount my partitions. Could someone help me ? : ) |
| 22:17.38 | Enverex | Topuzoglu, What do you mean "cannot mount"? Do they refuse or..? |
| 22:17.45 | lunix_ | Topuzoglu: wich partitions? |
| 22:17.46 | Topuzoglu | yes |
| 22:17.59 | RichiH | !does not work |
| 22:17.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:17.59 | Topuzoglu | all my partitions also one of them is ext3 |
| 22:18.00 | RichiH | ;) |
| 22:18.23 | RichiH | Topuzoglu: we need a better problem report to answer your questions |
| 22:18.33 | ustunozgur | hi, I can't login to tty's (nongraphical ones). no login prompt appears. |
| 22:18.47 | coolzone | Hi all :-) At work we are using shhfs for workers to mount their home dirs from home. Since the amount of data has become large, and the amount of users has increased, it has been distributed onto serveral different servers. I am looking for some kind of solution, which will make the mounting look "transparent". So "dave" mount his home like "mount /workserver/home/dave", and the system automatically locates the right server. |
| 22:18.49 | RichiH | ustunozgur: did you try pressing enter? |
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| 22:19.00 | coolzone | Is this possible? Like a distributed system. |
| 22:19.07 | hotdog003 | In soviet russia, apt gets YOU!!! |
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| 22:19.15 | Topuzoglu | ibhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 22:19.16 | RichiH | coolzone: use openvpn and nfs |
| 22:19.16 | Topuzoglu | process 6139: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 22:19.18 | Topuzoglu | error: device /dev/hda8 is not removable |
| 22:19.19 | Topuzoglu | error: could not execute pmount |
| 22:19.22 | Topuzoglu | what does it mean? |
| 22:19.32 | ustunozgur | nothing appears. yes, I tried enter :) |
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| 22:20.03 | RichiH | Topuzoglu: please use a paste site as mentioned in /topic next time |
| 22:20.13 | RichiH | Topuzoglu: i would say one of your applications has a bug |
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| 22:20.20 | RichiH | ustunozgur: then i dunno :/ |
| 22:20.24 | RichiH | ustunozgur: i never had that |
| 22:20.40 | ustunozgur | I think I have found a similar problem here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2430369 |
| 22:20.43 | RichiH | ustunozgur: did you try a wrong vga= kopt? |
| 22:20.51 | coolzone | RichiH, I will look into that, thanks |
| 22:20.53 | lunix_ | coolzone: i believe you could mount all of the tree between the servers in one server and then publish it over NFS to the clients |
| 22:20.55 | ustunozgur | but that doesn't work for debian. |
| 22:21.00 | talisker | karsten, it's a two weeks old system, and it's already filled out thrice |
| 22:21.09 | ustunozgur | well, the problem started after I install fglrx |
| 22:21.13 | ustunozgur | so probably yes. |
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| 22:21.29 | ustunozgur | at first it even kicked me out of xfce and gnome as well. |
| 22:21.36 | RichiH | coolzone: sshfs is nce for instant deployment |
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| 22:21.50 | RichiH | coolzone: but any serious installation will inevitably be based on openvpn |
| 22:21.53 | ustunozgur | then I uninstalled those fglrx packages. but still no tty's. |
| 22:21.56 | RichiH | coolzone: even though nfs sucks :/ |
| 22:22.32 | ustunozgur | does debian have a /etc/event.d directory where something like: respawn |
| 22:22.33 | ustunozgur | exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 22:22.39 | ustunozgur | is found |
| 22:22.43 | coolzone | ok thanks |
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| 22:23.21 | Dave_is_sexy | does installing from source take loads of space? |
| 22:24.27 | lunix_ | ustunozgur: i believe you're looking for /etc/dbus/event.d |
| 22:24.59 | lunix_ | ustunozgur: but then again you might be looking for /etc/inittab |
| 22:24.59 | ebbs | hi I now searched for hours with google and in other channels to find out how to solve this problem: If Ive got XGL activated a squeezed hand appears as cursor in all wine applications, maybe somebody can help me to fix this. I want a normal cursor, not this squeezed hand... |
| 22:25.16 | Dave_is_sexy | ...cos my hdd just filled up compiling something |
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| 22:25.59 | ustunozgur | yes, /etc/inittab exactly. |
| 22:26.39 | ustunozgur | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 and the next line is 2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty2 |
| 22:26.54 | ustunozgur | I guess nothing is wrong there? |
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| 22:28.02 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: sigh. |
| 22:28.22 | rahul | mister ereet is having issues. |
| 22:28.53 | Enverex | lol, what were you compiling? Everything on sourceforge? At the same time? |
| 22:29.26 | rahul | he was compiling a list of ways to look like an arse |
| 22:30.05 | Dave_is_sexy | rahul: you're just feeling red faced cos my dependency hack worked :P |
| 22:30.17 | rahul | uh... |
| 22:30.24 | rahul | why would it not "work"? |
| 22:30.37 | Dave_is_sexy | hahaha. i am learning to fast for you to handle. |
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| 22:30.50 | Skrot- | Hi. Which package contains what I need to be able to use "\usepackage [utf8x]{inputenc}" in latex? |
| 22:30.54 | frankr | if there |
| 22:30.56 | rahul | yeah, oyure learning how to make a mess of your box quite well |
| 22:30.56 | frankr | oops |
| 22:30.59 | Dave_is_sexy | well you said it was stupid and wouldn't. i've been on this os for 5 days and figured it would |
| 22:31.10 | frankr | if there;s nothing in /cat/proc/acpi/thermal_zone does that meanI can't find cpu temperature? |
| 22:31.36 | ustunozgur | could it be that a script is missing from /etc/rc2.d/ directory? |
| 22:31.42 | Dave_is_sexy | equiv, says itself that it is a bad idea to use it. this is a tempory instll to be erased on friday. like i care if i mess it up - and i haven't. it's aweosme |
| 22:31.49 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: it is stupid and it will break things later |
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| 22:32.03 | rahul | then why didn't you just force it? |
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| 22:32.43 | Dave_is_sexy | no it wont. now shu, you do not know the situation well enough to be making such general comments |
| 22:33.03 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: you don't know debian well enough to be making such general comments. |
| 22:33.29 | rahul | hell, you don't even get the concept of what happens when you compile a program, heh |
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| 22:33.48 | Dave_is_sexy | no, but i know logic. |
| 22:33.52 | rahul | hahaha |
| 22:34.11 | rahul | Dave_is_sexy: if you know logic, then you know that logic is not to be trusted |
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| 22:34.25 | frankr | rahul, only in the computer world |
| 22:34.27 | frankr | :P |
| 22:34.34 | rahul | frankr: only in the logical world |
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| 22:34.52 | rahul | logic is by its own nature a problem |
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| 22:35.04 | rahul | as can be proven with logic :) |
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| 22:43.06 | penguin | Y cant logic be trusted? |
| 22:43.12 | penguin | I never heard of such nonsense. |
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| 22:44.00 | hackmiker | any idea why resolving a domain name takes a few seconds in linux? it seems to take a lot less in windows, on the same machine, the same connection. (eth0, using DHCP) |
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| 22:44.48 | penguin | huh? |
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| 22:45.06 | penguin | What do you mean resolving a domain name? |
| 22:45.18 | hackmiker | firefox says 'Looking up bla.com' and waits and waits (a few seconds!) |
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| 22:45.20 | hackmiker | and then it works |
| 22:45.23 | darkskiez | if i change my architecture to amd64 from i386 and apt-get -f install will i hose my system? |
| 22:45.23 | dondelelcaro | hackmiker: most likely because it's actually resolving the name instead of consulting a cache of the name |
| 22:45.24 | hackmiker | but it takes too much imo |
| 22:45.41 | hackmiker | dondelelcaro, and how do i configure that? |
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| 22:46.06 | dondelelcaro | hackmiker: firefox has it's own caching system, but otherwise you can use nscd or similar |
| 22:46.16 | dondelelcaro | hackmiker: alternatively, you can get a DNS server which doesn't suck |
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| 22:46.32 | hackmiker | i don't know much about these things |
| 22:46.38 | rahul | penguin: logical systems can never be consistent and complete at the same time |
| 22:46.40 | wintix | hackmiker: maybe use opendns |
| 22:46.42 | jeremyb | firefox has an internal dns cache. if it's not there my guess is it uses gethostbyname |
| 22:46.43 | hackmiker | can i get another dns server? |
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| 22:47.02 | lontra | !ndiswrapper |
| 22:47.02 | dpkg | from memory, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 22:47.03 | penguin | That isnt true. |
| 22:47.09 | rahul | penguin: hahahahahahahahaha |
| 22:47.12 | dondelelcaro | hackmiker: you should (in theory) be using your ISP's; check to make sure you're using the same one that the windows machine is using |
| 22:47.14 | rahul | penguin: you are a tool. |
| 22:47.17 | roeinstein | anyone know if there is a way to skip a file during an scp transfer? |
| 22:47.25 | hackmiker | dondelelcaro, oi, how do i do that? |
| 22:47.32 | jeremyb | penguin: what isn't? |
| 22:47.33 | dondelelcaro | roeinstein: you're better off using rsync if you want to do more complex things like that |
| 22:47.40 | rahul | penguin: next you're going to say that you can write a program to determine if some other program will always terminate |
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| 22:48.04 | xingu | rahul: in erlang? I'll take that bet |
| 22:48.08 | jeremyb | roeinstein: also see gnu find |
| 22:48.31 | rahul | xingu: erlang isn't turing complete? |
| 22:48.41 | hackmiker | so my isp has a dns server but i can use another? how do i find one? how do i pick one? |
| 22:48.43 | Octopssy | oident 14610 0.0 0.0 6992 568 ? Ss 00:01 0:00 /usr/sbin/oidentd -mf -P 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 192.168.0.1 -u oident -g oident - What is wrong with this and how should I set it up, it isn't working atm |
| 22:48.52 | xingu | rahul: it's a functional language. :) |
| 22:48.59 | rahul | xingu: so? |
| 22:49.28 | rahul | !penixstrike dondelelcaro |
| 22:49.28 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dondelelcaro to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:49.29 | rahul | that's my version of pkill ;) |
| 22:49.29 | penguin | OK, the C programing language is a logical system that is consistent and complete. |
| 22:49.33 | wintix | hackmiker: maybe opendns is something nice for you. http://www.opendns.com |
| 22:49.38 | hackmiker | k |
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| 22:49.41 | wintix | hackmiker: and yes, you can use whatever dns server you like. |
| 22:49.41 | xingu | rahul: so, it's trivial to enumerate outcomes in functional languages |
| 22:49.45 | hackmiker | okay |
| 22:49.47 | rahul | xingu: wrong |
| 22:49.57 | rahul | why are there so many ignorami here today? |
| 22:50.04 | rahul | !sunday |
| 22:50.04 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:50.44 | wintix | rahul: hint: it's not sunday. |
| 22:50.55 | karsten | !tuesday |
| 22:50.55 | dpkg | hmm... tuesday is soylent green day |
| 22:50.56 | karsten | !mayday |
| 22:51.00 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 22:51.06 | rahul | wintix: the tools could have fooled me |
| 22:51.12 | wintix | ;) |
| 22:51.12 | penguin | Or addition and mod three is a logical system consistent and complete. |
| 22:51.30 | rahul | hahahaha |
| 22:51.30 | penguin | addition and multiplication mod three |
| 22:51.39 | jeremyb | hah. trolling actually peaks on sunday? |
| 22:51.39 | rahul | it's complete, huh |
| 22:51.44 | rahul | jeremyb: yep |
| 22:51.54 | rahul | !tardsday |
| 22:51.55 | dpkg | i heard tardsday is sunday |
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| 22:52.20 | jeremyb | weird |
| 22:52.24 | rahul | penguin: you need to learn some introductory logic, really |
| 22:52.28 | jeremyb | haven't seen that anywhere else |
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| 22:52.47 | penguin | Whatever, time to go home. |
| 22:53.11 | wintix | jeremyb: just think about the sunday drivers.. |
| 22:53.47 | hackmiker | wintix, thanks, it seems to work a little better with opendns. |
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| 22:55.03 | JordiGH | How can I know if the microphone is working? |
| 22:55.34 | rahul | dondelelcaro: you mean the theorems I just paraphrased? :) |
| 22:55.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Shoudln't you read about the halting theorem before reading about the halting theorem? |
| 22:55.52 | rahul | heh |
| 22:55.54 | JordiGH | Wtf are you people talking about CS? |
| 22:56.14 | karsten | Is there any tool that will continuously update to show my current client ssh sessions? |
| 22:56.16 | dondelelcaro | well, not really just CS |
| 22:56.30 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you sould watch netstat; |
| 22:56.37 | scarface | can anyone recommend me a good torrent client? |
| 22:56.42 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Yeah, that's how I was leaning. |
| 22:56.42 | rahul | or watch w |
| 22:56.50 | karsten | rahul: clients. |
| 22:57.39 | karsten | scarface: btdownloadcurses |
| 22:57.39 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Real Mathematicians have already Gotten Over the Liar paradox and all its variants. Now, can we talk about microphones and Debian? :-) |
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| 22:57.39 | karsten | scarface: kde/gnome both have their own apps as well |
| 22:58.00 | dondelelcaro | rtorrent! |
| 22:58.04 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Any way to filter to just ssh clients? I see proto but not port. |
| 22:58.09 | xingu | rahul: nb, functional languages are the non-turing branch; they're descended from lambda calculus; variables can only be assigned once and not modified; state is passed via the stack, using recursion. |
| 22:58.23 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you'd have to sh -c 'netstat -plunt|grep 22 |
| 22:58.25 | dondelelcaro | or similar |
| 22:58.33 | dondelelcaro | err, not l, but you get the idea |
| 22:58.34 | rahul | xingu: you are an idiot |
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| 22:59.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: while :; do netstat -epvt| grep ':ssh'; sleep 3; done |
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| 22:59.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... is what I came up with. |
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| 23:00.04 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, I'd just use watch sh -c 'netstat -epvt|grep :ssh'; but you get the idea |
| 23:00.16 | Octopssy | How should I filter piping, that it doesnt show grep. |
| 23:00.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What's the sh -c for? |
| 23:00.21 | Octopssy | for example when I do ps aux grep |
| 23:00.33 | Octopssy | I mean, how should i filter ps aux from showing grep |
| 23:00.34 | jeremyb | wintix: i don't really see how that's related |
| 23:01.01 | karsten | Octopssy: ps waux | grep [p]attern |
| 23:01.06 | Octopssy | thx |
| 23:01.37 | dondelelcaro | karsten: actually, ditch the sh -c |
| 23:01.53 | Octopssy | nah, i mean, i don't want it to show up when i normally do ps aux | grep process |
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| 23:01.57 | ustunozgur | pgrep? |
| 23:02.42 | JordiGH | So how can I record my own voice with my cheap set of earphones? |
| 23:02.48 | wintix | jeremyb: on sundays all idiots swarm to #debian and troll around. same on the streets. lots of morons driving around, annoying normal drivers. (since you stated that you haven't seen such behavior somewhere else) |
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| 23:03.20 | JordiGH | KDE has Krec, but I can't figure out if the earphones work as a microphone or not. KMix seems to think that the microphone volume is up and unmuted. |
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| 23:04.46 | jeremyb | wintix: well, it's not morons or jerks on the roads on sunday aiui. and i meant on IRC |
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| 23:12.34 | jazbo2185 | JordiGH: I'd suggest to try with an actually microphone... but I'm guessing you don't have a mic if you're trying to use headphones... |
| 23:14.06 | JordiGH | jazbo2185: An actual microphone would be nice, but right now I'm at the stage where I need to make sure that I can get any kind of sound input to my computer. :-) |
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| 23:15.11 | coach | hi@all |
| 23:15.21 | coach | i've got a problem with my ipod |
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| 23:15.31 | GhostlyDeath | in GNOME (with samba) how do I create a window's share on my system (so Window's PCs can get the shared files)? |
| 23:15.32 | coach | it's automatically mounted by gnome |
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| 23:15.52 | coach | but gtkpod sais, i've got no right to write data |
| 23:16.18 | GhostlyDeath | You under the right group? |
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| 23:21.12 | coach | GhostlyDeath, me? |
| 23:21.12 | GhostlyDeath | Desktop > Admin > Users, choose your name and go to properties and open the USer privilages tab |
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| 23:21.13 | GhostlyDeath | check "Use Audio Devices" and OK everything and see if that works |
| 23:21.14 | coach | GhostlyDeath, doesn't work |
| 23:21.14 | coach | (i was in the right group) |
| 23:21.14 | hackmiker | hi any idea why my user won't appear in the users and groups dialog? it's a normal user. i have another user, which appears. but this one doesn't. uid is 501 and the other guy is 1000 or1001 (nots sure) |
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| 23:21.16 | hackmiker | when i check 'show all users and groups' it appears, but without it it doesn't |
| 23:21.16 | PrinceAMD | hi guys i'm back |
| 23:21.16 | PrinceAMD | i compiled kernel 2.4.34 for etch |
| 23:21.17 | PrinceAMD | but the kernel panic |
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| 23:21.17 | ustunozgur | hi, it seems that my getty file is missing. which package should I install? cache search reveals other gettys, not the standard one. |
| 23:21.24 | PrinceAMD | VFS not found unable to load root hard drive something like that |
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| 23:21.47 | intelikey | i just dropped in to say howdy. |
| 23:21.58 | intelikey | howdy ! |
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| 23:22.13 | Eclipser | right |
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| 23:26.34 | JordiGH | Yay! After randomly moving around settings in Alsamixer, I can now give sound input to my computer. |
| 23:26.54 | JordiGH | Now I need to see if there's a setting I can use to actually make that input not so noisy. |
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| 23:27.53 | PrinceAMD | i compiled kernel 2.4.34 for etch |
| 23:27.56 | PrinceAMD | but the kernel panic |
| 23:27.58 | PrinceAMD | VFS not found unable to load root hard drive something like that |
| 23:28.01 | PrinceAMD | what do i do? |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | you did it wrong :) |
| 23:28.18 | jazbo2185 | exit |
| 23:28.20 | jazbo2185 | doh! |
| 23:28.29 | abrotman | !norootfs |
| 23:28.30 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
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| 23:41.19 | Jaume | One question, in wich base are this string? \x4b\x33\x79\x6d\x34\x73\x74\x33\x72 ? |
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| 23:42.15 | JordiGH | Offtopic! |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | ? |
| 23:43.24 | abrotman | Jaume: hexidecimal or octal most likely |
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| 23:43.24 | flihp | hex |
| 23:43.25 | Jaume | and, what is the way to decode it? |
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| 23:43.28 | zinx | Jaume: printf '\x4b\x33\x79\x6d\x34\x73\x74\x33\x72\n' |
| 23:43.33 | efaistos | Hi |
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| 23:43.49 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i missed the 'b' :) |
| 23:44.00 | Jaume | zinx: w0w, you are a genius :) |
| 23:44.03 | Jaume | thanks!! |
| 23:44.07 | zinx | abrotman: no, you missed all the \x's |
| 23:44.12 | abrotman | that too! |
| 23:44.18 | JordiGH | But it could be ASCII... In which case it would say K3ym4st3r |
| 23:44.22 | zinx | abrotman: standard C string literal stuff :x |
| 23:44.26 | abrotman | i know |
| 23:44.26 | JordiGH | Looks like it could be a password! |
| 23:44.29 | jeremyb | abrotman: also hexadecimal not hexidecimal |
| 23:44.29 | abrotman | been a while |
| 23:44.35 | efaistos | does someone installed debin on a T60 ? with a ATI Mobility X1400 ? |
| 23:44.39 | abrotman | jeremyb: i'm only 12 .. cut me some slack |
| 23:44.44 | JordiGH | Keymaster! |
| 23:44.46 | JordiGH | In l33t. |
| 23:44.50 | Jaume | JordiGH: thanks :) |
| 23:44.50 | JordiGH | It's definitely a password. :-) |
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| 23:45.03 | zinx | I am the Gatekeeper, are you the Keymaster? |
| 23:45.03 | Jaume | yes, its a wargame |
| 23:45.11 | abrotman | zinx: do you use gnome ? |
| 23:45.12 | bonez39 | abrotman, what's the option to show which windows mangers are installed and to then choose one, per 'update-alternatives --display x-window-system' ??? |
| 23:45.20 | zinx | abrotman: what a strange question |
| 23:45.20 | abrotman | list |
| 23:45.23 | abrotman | zinx: ? |
| 23:45.38 | efaistos | do you know if it's supported by xserver-xorg ? and which driver should i use ... |
| 23:46.02 | zinx | abrotman: perhaps you confused me with someone else? |
| 23:46.09 | abrotman | zinx: i was just asking .. jeez |
| 23:46.12 | odrium | hey have any of you tried gnewsense? |
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| 23:46.22 | amphi | efaistos: you'll need fglrx for that, if you want 3d accel, AFAIK |
| 23:46.26 | odrium | is based on ubuntu but 100% GPL |
| 23:46.27 | abrotman | bonez39: oh .. --list shows them |
| 23:46.40 | abrotman | odrium: this is #debian |
| 23:46.47 | odrium | yes I know |
| 23:46.48 | zinx | abrotman: i use portions of gnome, and some gnome programs.. |
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| 23:46.55 | abrotman | zinx: but not gnome |
| 23:46.56 | odrium | sorry I just wanted to know your opinions |
| 23:47.02 | odrium | because their channel is dead |
| 23:47.06 | zinx | abrotman: not the full-blown thing, no |
| 23:47.13 | zinx | abrotman: i don't like metacity much |
| 23:47.18 | bonez39 | abrotman, --list shows nothing? just returns the prompt.... |
| 23:47.25 | zinx | abrotman: and some other stuff :/ |
| 23:47.26 | abrotman | bonez39: show us the whole command |
| 23:47.28 | efaistos | amphi: i dont want 3D ... |
| 23:47.41 | bonez39 | abrotman, update-alternatives --list x-window-system |
| 23:47.41 | JordiGH | odrium: We believe Debian to be 100% free. It's even more free than GNU, because we think GNU distributes non-free stuff. ;-) |
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| 23:47.50 | abrotman | zinx: i just found out that if you double-click on a date in the calendar .. it spwans evolution |
| 23:47.52 | amphi | efaistos: then perhaps the xorg ati driver will work |
| 23:47.55 | bonez39 | abrotman, or update-alternatives --config x-window-system |
| 23:47.56 | abrotman | bonez39: do you have more than one x-window-system ? |
| 23:48.14 | abrotman | bonez39: did you look in /etc/alternatives/ to see i fthat even exists ? |
| 23:48.15 | n3kl | Can I install debian on an ecrypted raid array? |
| 23:48.16 | odrium | JordiGH: I definetly need to know more about that, why do you claim that? |
| 23:48.24 | abrotman | odrium: tried ##linux ? |
| 23:48.25 | JordiGH | odrium: And is gNewSense really 100% GPL? Surely they allow BSD licenses! |
| 23:48.31 | bonez39 | I don't know....but I know I'd like to restart X with fluxbox instead of metacity....or sawfish... |
| 23:48.54 | odrium | they the FSF sponsorship |
| 23:48.56 | jeremyb | abrotman: ... doesn't matter how old you are or how much experience you have with computers. i don't see what i said being out of line. i was just informing you of a typo. some people would be happy to know |
| 23:48.57 | abrotman | bonez39: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 23:48.59 | JordiGH | odrium: Debian thinks the GNU Free Documentation License is not a free license. Debian also seems to have issues with distributing the JOKES file usually found in Emacs distributions. |
| 23:49.00 | efaistos | amphi: there is some problem to launch a video with mplayer and xv video ouput |
| 23:49.05 | odrium | and they claim to be 100% GPL |
| 23:49.06 | bonez39 | ah..... |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | jeremyb: i was joking :) |
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| 23:49.20 | abrotman | jeremyb: i should know how to spell hesxiehddiclal |
| 23:49.21 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:49.26 | amphi | efaistos: -vo xv doesn't work? |
| 23:49.32 | JordiGH | odrium: 100% GPL? So no X server? |
| 23:49.34 | odrium | *they have FSF sponsorship |
| 23:49.42 | bonez39 | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:49.48 | JordiGH | Maybe 100% GPL compatible? |
| 23:49.49 | odrium | sorry mispell |
| 23:49.51 | abrotman | bonez39: or you can set your .xsession file |
| 23:49.55 | odrium | nope |
| 23:49.59 | odrium | 100% GPL |
| 23:50.07 | jeremyb | abrotman: so... you're 12? :P |
| 23:50.18 | abrotman | jeremyb: i'm certainly old enough that i should know how to spell all words correctly :) |
| 23:50.26 | abrotman | jeremyb: a/s/l? :) |
| 23:50.26 | odrium | but wats the deal with JOKES friends? |
| 23:50.32 | odrium | is not under the license? |
| 23:50.35 | JordiGH | odrium: That's ridiculous. Even the FSF endorses X, which is not under the GPL. |
| 23:50.39 | odrium | jajja JOKES friends |
| 23:50.42 | odrium | i mean |
| 23:50.44 | odrium | JOKES file |
| 23:50.48 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 23:50.58 | jeremyb | abrotman: 21/M(m should be obvious from my nick)/NY |
| 23:51.02 | rahul | odrium: what are you smoking? |
| 23:51.03 | JordiGH | The Emacs JOKES file isn't under a modifiable license, so Debian doesn't distribute it. |
| 23:51.07 | abrotman | jeremyb: i was joking .. i don't want to know |
| 23:51.24 | jeremyb | abrotman: well, i thought it was kinda weird to ask in here... |
| 23:51.36 | abrotman | jeremyb: you don't hang out in here much do you? |
| 23:51.41 | JordiGH | gNewSense also rebranded Firefox to... BurningDog. |
| 23:51.44 | jeremyb | abrotman: nope |
| 23:51.46 | odrium | rahul: don't know, but's strong |
| 23:51.49 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:52.00 | rahul | fartingdog |
| 23:52.07 | jeremyb | abrotman: you a regular? |
| 23:52.12 | hatter | is there something different i have to do when recompining a kernel on a box with raid1 ? |
| 23:52.13 | odrium | damn!!! |
| 23:52.14 | abrotman | jeremyb: just a tad |
| 23:52.15 | n3kl | jeremyb: yes he is |
| 23:52.19 | odrium | I am so dissapointed |
| 23:52.28 | rahul | odrium: good. |
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| 23:52.38 | odrium | and I thought i had discovered the grail of freedom |
| 23:52.42 | abrotman | !tell jeremyb about debstats |
| 23:52.45 | rahul | hatter: other than make sure you have the raid drivers? |
| 23:52.46 | JordiGH | odrium: 100% GPL looks like a goal too idealistic even for the FSF. |
| 23:53.06 | rahul | the FSF's software isn't 100% GPL |
| 23:53.19 | odrium | but I think we should head toward that goal |
| 23:53.27 | JordiGH | rahul: Nor even 100% GPL and LGPL. |
| 23:53.36 | hatter | rahul: i copied the config file from the running kernel, then only added 1 module, but it wont boot saying it cant find the md devices |
| 23:53.37 | abrotman | jeremyb: yes .. i should not have spelled the word incorrectly .. and i also should have realized immediately it was hex :) |
| 23:53.39 | rahul | in fact, it might not even be legal for them to have all of it be 100% GPL or LGPL |
| 23:53.47 | rahul | or at least legally useful |
| 23:53.48 | abrotman | been a long time since i've done C |
| 23:54.03 | rahul | hatter: you probably are using a kernel that needs an initrd |
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| 23:54.14 | odrium | which FSF software is not GPL or LGPL? |
| 23:54.22 | JordiGH | odrium: The position "everything should be GPL" seems to be too radical. I can't even imagine rms endorsing that position, and he's seen as the extreme of the extremes. |
| 23:54.24 | rahul | odrium: gcl |
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| 23:54.30 | Eclipser | odrium, WTFPL? |
| 23:54.40 | hatter | rahul: hmmm, yes it does, i tried regenerating one, so the initrd is missing the raid drivers ? |
| 23:54.48 | JordiGH | odrium: X is under the MIT license, and it's part of GNU. |
| 23:54.51 | rahul | hatter: maybe you built the initrd wrong |
| 23:55.14 | JordiGH | !wtf wtfpl |
| 23:55.14 | odrium | what do you think should be the goal |
| 23:55.16 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what wtfpl means... |
| 23:55.24 | odrium | because I don't think Debian is really free |
| 23:55.31 | rahul | odrium: the world isn't free |
| 23:55.32 | Eclipser | though I wouldn't want to admit that my software is one of those "so called free software"... |
| 23:55.38 | JordiGH | odrium: What's wrong with Debian? |
| 23:55.45 | odrium | open source icense and artistic are not really free |
| 23:55.45 | rahul | you can't say you want someone to do something for you and have them do it for free |
| 23:55.56 | JordiGH | There's an open source license? |
| 23:56.14 | JordiGH | rahul: C'mon. Even you know better than to mix up free and gratis. |
| 23:56.20 | odrium | hey I love Debian is my OS but I just love the convep of a 100% GPL |
| 23:56.24 | odrium | yes there is |
| 23:56.28 | Eclipser | http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ |
| 23:56.33 | odrium | *convep:concept |
| 23:56.44 | JordiGH | odrium: What software uses the Open S\ource license? |
| 23:56.45 | lhadji | odrium are you referring to BSD licensing? |
| 23:56.51 | rahul | JordiGH: that's the only way you'll ever get anything you want under the exact terms that empower you to control it and the entire future of humanity |
| 23:57.44 | odrium | JordiGH: yes, I am sorry I was confused |
| 23:57.51 | JordiGH | rahul: Eh? |
| 23:57.52 | jeremyb | abrotman: both things i could have done :) |
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| 23:58.13 | abrotman | jeremyb: i'm old and forgetful :) |
| 23:58.24 | jeremyb | the stats have a popup ad?!?!?!?!?!? |
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| 23:58.44 | abrotman | jeremyb: hosting is free? |
| 23:59.13 | hatter | rahul: maybe i did, how do i build a new one initrd as a copy of the old one but referenced to the new kernel ? |
| 23:59.13 | jeremyb | abrotman: ohh, i thought it was from the site maintainer |
| 23:59.15 | rahul | JordiGH: individual freedom means you get to do whatever you want, whenever you want, without consequences you don't want |
| 23:59.21 | abrotman | jeremyb: i don't think so |
| 23:59.25 | rahul | hatter: I don't use initrds, sorry |
| 23:59.37 | JordiGH | odrium: The FSF says GPL-compatible licenses are fine. The BSD-like licenses are GPL compatible (which means that you can distribute BSD software under the same terms of the GPL, not that you can change the license terms, since only the copyright owner can do that). |
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| 23:59.53 | hatter | rahul: no worries |
