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| 00:00.18 | Vluid | hello |
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| 00:00.37 | Vasistha | ubd: seriously -- experts and newbs and all sorts of folks in between have learned to love aptitude. You can, too! Then you won't need to be asking in here, you'll just know how to do the stuff yourself ;-) We'll be happy to help you get oriented with aptitude |
| 00:00.53 | antgel | Nemoder: but all his etch packages depend on apache 2.2 |
| 00:01.01 | markit | antgel: but are data that are accessed from all users of my office... put it under just a particular user seems bad to me |
| 00:01.05 | ubd | ok i did aptitude remove xfce |
| 00:01.07 | maddash | !say hi Vluid |
| 00:01.07 | dpkg | hi Vluid |
| 00:01.21 | antgel | markit: i didn't say create a user. i said create a directory |
| 00:01.26 | ubd | doesnt synaptic use aptitude? |
| 00:01.26 | Nemoder | antgel: whatever he uses that depends on apache should be built from source too if he's not using the version that ships with etch |
| 00:01.40 | antgel | Nemoder: indeed. probably quite a lot |
| 00:01.44 | antgel | ubd: no |
| 00:01.48 | markit | Nemoder: thanks, but I don't need samba support, I've already done, but since I'm installing a new pc that will substitute the current office server, I'm wondering if I can do better than last time (many years ago) |
| 00:01.52 | Acu | is it true that nfs is twice as fast as samba ? |
| 00:02.10 | antgel | ubd: as you will see if you do aptitude show synaptic |
| 00:02.16 | antgel | Acu: not IME |
| 00:02.23 | em-dash | antgel, Nemoder: thanks for your input. I'm going to try to build python-subversion from the source package in etch. wish me luck! :D |
| 00:02.37 | antgel | luck doesn't come into it :) |
| 00:02.39 | markit | antgel: oh, I see... but aren't dir under /home reserved for homedirs for users? |
| 00:02.45 | Acu | antgel: what is IME ? |
| 00:02.47 | Vluid | i have here a server and i also want to use a windowmanger. now i ask myself if i need things like dbus, gconf, etc. some opinions? |
| 00:02.55 | antgel | markit: possibly but i prefer it to polluting / :) |
| 00:03.15 | em-dash | any quick and dirty howtos for source package downloading and building? |
| 00:03.20 | Nemoder | markit: you could also use /usr/local/ |
| 00:03.21 | antgel | markit: i would create shares under /home/share like /home/share/accounts /home/share/marketing |
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| 00:03.56 | Vluid | i have to say i´m a quite noob... |
| 00:04.03 | antgel | markit: my reasoning being that the shares are like homedirs, indeed groupdirs, if such a thing existed |
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| 00:04.10 | Vluid | em-dash: checkinstall |
| 00:04.13 | Acu | antgel: what is IME ? |
| 00:04.22 | antgel | !tell Acu about repeat |
| 00:04.28 | em-dash | Vluid: ??? |
| 00:04.33 | antgel | !tell Acu about ime |
| 00:04.49 | maddash | this place is turning into #ubuntu right before my eyes. |
| 00:04.54 | thingfish | Vluid: resist the temptation to remove things you know nothing about. |
| 00:05.01 | thingfish | Vluid: this is not windows. |
| 00:05.03 | Vluid | em-dash: use checkinstall. download the source run then ./confugure; make; cheickinstall |
| 00:05.34 | Vasistha | em-dash: man apt-get, check out the part on downloading and building sources |
| 00:05.40 | antgel | Vluid: i think em-dash wants to build the debian package, but i am tired :) |
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| 00:06.08 | em-dash | Vluid, Vasistha, antgel thanks guys |
| 00:06.10 | Vluid | thingfish: they are not installed. i installed the the plain server w/o anything. |
| 00:06.14 | enouf | why do some of my (system root) email body text look like this--> aHdpbmZvICgxMy4yOC0xKSB1bnN0YWJsZTsg <-- tons of lines like that .. from apt-listchanges (mailing root?) when i install/upgrade an app or two |
| 00:06.18 | antgel | em-dash: apt-get build python-subversion |
| 00:06.34 | thingfish | Vluid: sorry I jumped in without reading back |
| 00:06.47 | antgel | Vluid: it is not that common to have a windowing system on an *nix server |
| 00:06.58 | enouf | I see this --> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" .. but my system is iso-8859-1 .. where would i alter that for mail? (exim4 i suppose) |
| 00:07.53 | Vluid | thingfish: it is a smaller server for my home. i think it is easier to maintain, when sitting in front. |
| 00:08.06 | Vasistha | enouf: you might check with your mua rather than your mta |
| 00:08.28 | enouf | Vasistha: funny you mention that .. i have no MUA .. lol |
| 00:08.32 | markit | btw, I have to correct myself... the installer identifies dhcp that I use for ltsp, but I can go back and choose "manual" setup for ethernet and fix it,t hanks god |
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| 00:08.40 | enouf | Vasistha: I don't do email :-0 |
| 00:08.48 | markit | only LVM seems a hell |
| 00:08.50 | Vasistha | enouf: well, then you'll probably need to get your terminal set up with utf-8? |
| 00:08.52 | enouf | but maybe kmail is configured as such |
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| 00:09.42 | enouf | Vasistha: well .. some (same system root during/from upgrades) emails aren't utf-8 :-( |
| 00:10.11 | antgel | enouf: did it switch at a certain date? |
| 00:10.15 | Vasistha | enouf: kmail auto-detects encoding, and if it doesn't auto-detect correctly, you can manually set it quite easily |
| 00:10.18 | em-dash | antgel: apt-get build is telling me 'E: Invalid operation build' -- any gotcha or prereqs to using it |
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| 00:10.36 | enouf | Vasistha: I think it flipflops whenever i dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges and alter how/when/what the pager (for viewing/ mailing) will be |
| 00:11.11 | enouf | Vasistha: i don't open kmail at all .. only browse mail dir's / files in an xterm or file manager |
| 00:11.18 | antgel | em-dash: apt-get source --build, sorry |
| 00:11.28 | enouf | I did once open kmail .. was too complicated so i shut it ;-) |
| 00:11.57 | em-dash | antgel: ah, ok thanks |
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| 00:12.02 | enouf | Vasistha: no worries .. i'm just venting i guess .. i'll configure it correctly eventually ;-) |
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| 00:12.08 | antgel | enouf: you deserve a medal for being so hardcore. i bet you have a vt100. this could even be a bug in apt-listchanges |
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| 00:12.25 | pantos | hello |
| 00:12.26 | enouf | antgel: could be .. but we'll see ;-0 |
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| 00:13.21 | enouf | antgel: took a look at the exim4 docs and added them to the pile that contains the Dbus and Hal and Udev docs ;-P |
| 00:13.55 | enouf | every now and then .. i peek at a page or two ;-) |
| 00:13.58 | antgel | don't get me started on dbus and hal. i think this is the point where i become a dinosaur and don't understand all the "new stuff" :) |
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| 00:14.12 | obsethryl | a quickie, how is this new wallpaper debian has and where is it located? |
| 00:14.23 | obsethryl | i need to use it in the kde desktop just installed in 4.0 :P |
| 00:14.47 | Vasistha | "need" :-) |
| 00:15.06 | enouf | obsethryl: right click blank desktop area (*shudders*), and select Configure Desktop |
| 00:15.14 | obsethryl | yup need, want, mandate |
| 00:15.15 | enouf | !need |
| 00:15.16 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 00:15.23 | obsethryl | enouf: i do not have gnome installed it aint there |
| 00:15.28 | obsethryl | :) |
| 00:15.38 | obsethryl | so being "s*s" will not help you |
| 00:15.40 | enouf | obsethryl: no comprehende .. neither do I |
| 00:15.41 | Vasistha | obsethryl: have you searched the repos for wallpaper? |
| 00:15.51 | obsethryl | how is it called? |
| 00:16.03 | obsethryl | that is what i am asking, since i do not have it installed... |
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| 00:16.13 | antgel | obsethryl: you /need/ to ask a proper question ;) |
| 00:16.21 | enouf | obsethryl: i'm telling you how it's done with KDE .. where did I mention gnome? |
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| 00:16.45 | enouf | obsethryl: you're running kubuntu .....aren't ya |
| 00:16.47 | antgel | aha! obsethryl is obviously an ubuntu troll! :P |
| 00:16.52 | antgel | woah |
| 00:16.55 | enouf | yep |
| 00:16.56 | obsethryl | ok i will find it myself.... it is not done that way enouf since that wallpaper is not installed, you just want to show off... |
| 00:17.08 | antgel | i think it's bedtime |
| 00:17.09 | obsethryl | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 00:17.11 | antgel | later all |
| 00:17.13 | em-dash | why would python-subversion depend on apache2.2? |
| 00:17.14 | obsethryl | is this ubuntu to you? |
| 00:17.24 | enouf | obsethryl: actually kcontrol would help you, but you're too stupid to use it |
| 00:17.25 | obsethryl | whatever, i ask a dumb question and i get a clueless showoff |
| 00:17.38 | antgel | em-dash: because it's /etch/ python-subversion |
| 00:17.40 | obsethryl | enouf: it is not in there, i know how to build kde on my own, let alone use it |
| 00:17.47 | obsethryl | you are just ignorant, rude and without manners |
| 00:17.51 | obsethryl | whatever |
| 00:17.56 | em-dash | antgel: oh, you're right |
| 00:17.56 | antgel | em-dash: track down the apache bug. use etch proper, and patch the apache module |
| 00:18.07 | enouf | you obviously do not, if you cannot even find your wallpaper ..lol |
| 00:18.09 | Vasistha | obsethryl: I found some debian wallpapers last year, I could look around for the link, if you like |
| 00:18.21 | em-dash | antgel: I forgot to -t sarge-backports when I tried you apt-get source, oops |
| 00:18.27 | obsethryl | Vasistha: yes is there a place for them |
| 00:18.30 | obsethryl | enouf: shut up |
| 00:18.44 | antgel | obsethryl, enouf: cool it please |
| 00:18.45 | enouf | obsethryl: typing the kernel verision mean shit k\jackass |
| 00:18.50 | Vasistha | obsethryl: google debian wallpaper |
| 00:18.54 | enouf | !aolify obsethryl |
| 00:19.00 | obsethryl | antgel: he started it |
| 00:19.01 | Vasistha | obsethryl: there's even a package called wallpaper-tray |
| 00:19.06 | em-dash | antgel: I don't have time to patch the apache module. As far as I can tell I would have to debug it myself, which I'm certainly not currently qualified to do |
| 00:19.20 | antgel | obsethryl: doesn't matter, only takes one of you to stop it |
| 00:19.29 | em-dash | antgel: although I hear what you're saying as far as 'quit you're whining if you're not going to use the official distro' |
| 00:19.51 | obsethryl | me and my minimalistic setups always lead me to hunting trivialities... |
| 00:20.18 | K|NgGh0sT | is there a console flac player? |
| 00:20.32 | antgel | em-dash: well, i don't need to say that, it's obvious ;) but to me, it's easier to debug a single issue rather than get lost in frustrating dependency issues |
| 00:20.38 | calmar | K|NgGh0sT: mocp maybe |
| 00:21.07 | antgel | em-dash: at least ask the apache people for a hand, i'm sure they will be helpful |
| 00:21.20 | calmar | kingsley: mplayer as well |
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| 00:21.31 | maddash | obsethryl: kde is hardly a minimalistic setup |
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| 00:22.13 | obsethryl | maddash: heh dele |
| 00:22.17 | obsethryl | depends* |
| 00:22.41 | Diilbert | I am trying to get vnc to autoload kde when I do vncserver :1 (right now I get an X session when I login to my pc with VNC |
| 00:23.26 | Vasistha | obsethryl: I kinda like some of the work here: http://www.73lab.com/index.php?menu_item=1&page=4&curr_lang=1 |
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| 00:24.04 | Diilbert | I need to add exec startkde and can't remember which file to put it into |
| 00:24.05 | antgel | Diilbert: did you read the docs? doesn't vncserver use ~/.vnc/xstartup? |
| 00:24.17 | Vasistha | obsethryl: this artist does some neat stuff with the red swirl and the genie bottle |
| 00:24.48 | Diilbert | antgel: it is always faster to ask :0 |
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| 00:25.33 | enouf | do you own fscken work |
| 00:26.00 | antgel | Diilbert: yes, but you don't learn as much |
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| 00:26.38 | Vasistha | I dunno, I've spend hours looking at documentation, *not* getting what I needed done, and additionally not really learning anything valuable, either |
| 00:27.10 | antgel | Vasistha: put the spliff down :) |
| 00:27.17 | enouf | quoting peterS "give a man a fire, and you keep him warm for a day -- set a man afire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life" |
| 00:27.19 | Diilbert | antgel: I learn.. I just need to write that down for next time ;) thanks |
| 00:27.33 | peterS | enouf: not an original quote. I don't know where I heard it though. |
| 00:27.35 | maddash | peterS said that? |
| 00:27.50 | enouf | peterS: I know .. just felt like pokin ya ;-0 |
| 00:28.09 | obsethryl | Vasistha: i have found it: debian-blueish-wallpaper.svg for some reason it was not installed since i did not have /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ directory |
| 00:28.55 | Vasistha | obsethryl: for something as trivial as wallpaper, I'm inclined to think packaging is a little superfluous ;-) |
| 00:29.25 | obsethryl | Vasistha: indeed, but i did not have it |
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| 00:29.41 | obsethryl | that teaches to the people who jump into conclusions a lesson |
| 00:29.49 | enouf | peterS: i like the soap, ballot, jury, ammo box quote, but unfrotunately not too apropo in light of monday's tragic events |
| 00:31.49 | peterS | monday's events had nothing to do with defense of freedom, though |
| 00:31.49 | enouf | peterS: my point entirely .. spin-doctors |
| 00:31.50 | antgel | now i'm really going, bye all |
| 00:31.50 | Vasistha | Tennessee's decision does, though - yay! |
| 00:31.50 | enouf | using pseudo-fuel to fan the flames to promote their agenda(s) |
| 00:31.50 | daeos | for those familiar with kismet, i just built the newest release of kismet, and installed it, after editing the config file, and run it, i get an error saying that hostap was not built with the install.. what option should i have used to include that? |
| 00:31.51 | peterS | what?!? are gun control people _really_ going to try and exploit the virginia tech incident, as though their agenda would have affected matters in the least? |
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| 00:32.09 | peterS | I can't say that exactly blows my mind, but it _is_ disappointing |
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| 00:33.34 | Vasistha | daeos: I have *no* idea, but -- perhaps you need to rebuild hostap against the new kismet?? Also, did you check the README, or do a recursive grep for hostap? |
| 00:33.38 | mnguyen | How do I copy the contents of one directory into another directory... including the hidden files? I tried cp -R directory/* newdirectory |
| 00:33.41 | mnguyen | but it doens't get the hidden files |
| 00:33.57 | Vasistha | mnguyen: try cp -a directory newdirectory |
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| 00:34.08 | enouf | peterS: ofcourse they are .. and any other whackos who can find any way to make $$ or political opinion sway their way .. it's just capitalism at it's best , exploitating as defined |
| 00:34.19 | obsethryl | mnguyen: cp -aR is what you want |
| 00:34.32 | Vasistha | obsethryl: -aR is redundant ;-) |
| 00:34.43 | enouf | peterS: <sigh>.. but i will not go any furhter with this convo here .. |
| 00:34.47 | obsethryl | ... |
| 00:34.48 | peterS | indeed |
| 00:34.55 | enouf | for obvious reasons ;-) |
| 00:35.08 | mnguyen | what does it mean not to dereference? |
| 00:35.18 | Vasistha | mnguyen: do you know what symlinks are? |
| 00:35.20 | peterS | mnguyen: what is the context? |
| 00:35.21 | enouf | mnguyen: good question actually |
| 00:35.27 | enouf | man pages |
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| 00:35.33 | maddash | mnguyen: i think it's `cp -r directory/ newdir/` |
| 00:35.37 | enouf | like ls -H option |
| 00:35.43 | peterS | mnguyen: oh you're asking about cp and symlinks. to dereference a symlink is to follow it |
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| 00:35.55 | enouf | peterS: well .. i am ;-) |
| 00:35.56 | DawnLight | how do i get multiple monitors to work? |
| 00:35.57 | mnguyen | peterS: it has nothing to do with pointing to the same inode right? |
| 00:36.04 | maddash | mnguyen: sans the asterisk |
| 00:36.09 | peterS | mnguyen: a symlink does not point to an inode, it points to a filename |
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| 00:36.25 | daeos | Vasistha: i'll check about that, i was thinking i had to include something in the make command or the install command to include hostap support... but i even tried to have it use madwifi_g and got same error |
| 00:36.28 | mnguyen | peterS: so when it means no dereference... it doesn't following the filename? |
| 00:36.35 | mnguyen | *following = follow |
| 00:36.42 | peterS | mnguyen: it doesn't follow the symlink, it copies it as a symlink |
| 00:36.48 | enouf | it's a double negative .. it seems |
| 00:37.05 | mnguyen | ahh okay makes sense, thanks |
| 00:37.41 | obsethryl | mnguyen: anyway Vasistha was right, -aR is like -dpR , so R is redundant there... |
| 00:38.19 | mnguyen | yah |
| 00:38.25 | mnguyen | obsethryl: i read the man pages :) |
| 00:38.37 | mnguyen | obsethryl: just had to make sure it would do what iw anted |
| 00:39.05 | obsethryl | it should copy everything you want anyway |
| 00:39.16 | Vasistha | mnguyen: what happened is this -- when you do cp directory/* that '*' acts as a glob which does not pick up dot files. So you want to copy the whole directory/ without putting a glob at the end. This has the side effect of making a new directory, rather than just moving the files, but it shouldn't be too difficult to deal with. There are special things you can do to make it do exactly what you want |
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| 00:40.22 | mnguyen | Vasistha: how does -a get rid of that problem tho? by archiving? |
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| 00:40.55 | Vasistha | mnguyen: it doesn't. -a just also preserves timestamps and links, which I assumed you would also want. |
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| 00:41.36 | bsmntbombdood | how can i stop dhcp from every being used? |
| 00:41.38 | Vasistha | mnguyen: I could have simply recommended cp -R dir/ newdir/ ... and that would have been closer to your original request. |
| 00:41.53 | enouf | !tell bsmntbombdood -about interfaces |
| 00:42.04 | cusco | bsmntbombdood: you mean the client? |
| 00:42.17 | cusco | do you want to add a static lease? |
| 00:42.24 | cusco | that :p |
| 00:42.25 | daeos | Vasistha: were you suggesting that i build from source the most recent version of hostap? |
| 00:42.29 | mnguyen | Vasistha: how do i capture the hidden files tho? |
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| 00:42.36 | bsmntbombdood | cusco: yeah |
| 00:42.40 | mnguyen | Vasistha: without creating a new directory of course... |
| 00:42.45 | cusco | bsmntbombdood: read dpkg's mensage |
| 00:42.54 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: i have the interface set as static in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:43.15 | cusco | so how is dhcp used? |
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| 00:43.46 | obsethryl | bsmntbombdood: why dont you just make a pastbin of your interfaces file so nobody jumps into conclusions |
| 00:43.56 | bsmntbombdood | Actually, i'm not sure it's dhcp, my address just keeps changing |
| 00:44.03 | Vasistha | mnguyen: with a glob? it's tricky. It's much easier to copy the whole directory. You can give it a new name, like cp -a dir/ newdir -- as long as newdir does not already exist. |
| 00:44.08 | enouf | tell your DHCP server to stop .. most likely through your router's web interface, and uninstall any zeroconf crap |
| 00:44.29 | bsmntbombdood | /etc/networking/interfaces: http://pastebin.ca/450684 |
| 00:44.36 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: i don't know how :/ |
| 00:45.22 | mnguyen | Vasistha: i mean the thing is the directory already exists... so I want to basically copy the contents of a directory to an existing directory |
| 00:45.27 | mnguyen | Vasistha: and include the hidden files |
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| 00:45.54 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: sometimes it's http://192.168.100.1 , but they all differ .. but i suck ass at networking issues |
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| 00:46.20 | cusco | its http://192.168.1.1 by its gatway address in the interfaces file |
| 00:46.21 | obsethryl | the usual gateway address for out of factory routers is 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:46.36 | obsethryl | cusco: exactly |
| 00:46.39 | bsmntbombdood | I know what its address is |
| 00:46.41 | enouf | not mine |
| 00:46.48 | cusco | bsmntbombdood: what router have you got? |
| 00:46.54 | obsethryl | bsmntbombdood: try checking if dhcp is set there |
| 00:46.59 | bsmntbombdood | a wrt54g |
| 00:47.02 | bsmntbombdood | obsethryl: where? |
| 00:47.03 | cusco | w00t |
| 00:47.03 | obsethryl | linksys |
| 00:47.16 | Vasistha | mnguyen: well, one way that *doesn't* work is this: cp -a dir/* dir/.* newdir/ -- and the reason that doesn't work is that it tries to copy dir/. and dir/.. which has very undesireable effects :P So in order to glob those dot-files you can try something like dir/.[a-zA-Z0-9] but if you have, e.g., files that start with ., or ..a or something else unusual, then those won't match the glob :P |
| 00:47.18 | obsethryl | bsmntbombdood: in your router configuration |
| 00:47.23 | bsmntbombdood | obsethryl: yes, it is, other boxes on the network need dhcp |
| 00:47.39 | enouf | erm .. maybe that's my modem .. but .. haven't had to touch the stuff lately |
| 00:47.56 | cusco | bsmntbombdood: I have got a wrt54g myself and I have a static dhcp option, where the mac address I want will always gain a specific IP |
| 00:48.13 | bsmntbombdood | cusco: don't see that |
| 00:48.37 | obsethryl | bsmntbombdood: you would need in that case to set the ip to auto so that the router gives it always the same ip to that specific mac |
| 00:48.39 | Vasistha | mnguyen: oops, forgot a * at the end: dir/.[a-zA-Z0-9]* should catch most of your dotfiles, but you can certainly create dotfiles that won't match that criteria. I once discussed this with someone on irc and we figured ou a way... |
| 00:48.39 | enouf | Vasistha: I've been waiting for the resolution since i've run into the same issue using 'mv', and have yet to find an easy out ;-) |
| 00:48.58 | bsmntbombdood | obsethryl: or just not use dhcp on this box |
| 00:49.04 | maddash | what are you guys smoking on? |
| 00:49.13 | maddash | 20:35:33 <maddash> mnguyen: i think it's `cp -r directory/ newdir/` |
| 00:49.16 | obsethryl | i dont use dhcp ever btw |
| 00:49.25 | mnguyen | maddash: that didn't work... |
| 00:49.38 | mnguyen | maddash: it created a new directory inside of the existing directory |
| 00:49.42 | maddash | mnguyen: note the lack of the asterisk |
| 00:49.47 | bsmntbombdood | obsethryl: And I don't want to on this box |
| 00:49.57 | daeos | Vasistha: were you suggesting that i build from source the most recent version of hostap? |
| 00:49.58 | Vasistha | maddash: have you been following the conversation? if you scroll up a bit, you'll see that we're not wasting such time as you assume. |
| 00:49.59 | bsmntbombdood | Yet it continually asks for an ip address |
| 00:50.00 | maddash | mnguyen: bull. you're doing it wrong. |
| 00:50.13 | enouf | !tell bsmntbombdood -about udev rules |
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| 00:50.21 | Vasistha | daeos: I was, but keep in mind I really am not one to be making such recommendations with any sort of knowledge or experience ;-) |
| 00:50.31 | maddash | Vasistha: so called "hidden files" are automatically taken care of by cp |
| 00:50.31 | daeos | well i hope #kismet answers |
| 00:50.32 | mnguyen | cp -r beta/ dev/ |
| 00:50.34 | daeos | still waiting for a reply |
| 00:50.40 | mnguyen | maddash: cp -r beta/ dev/ created a /dev/beta |
| 00:50.42 | Vasistha | maddash: the new directory already exists, dude. |
| 00:50.49 | mnguyen | maddash: cause the directory already exists |
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| 00:51.13 | mnguyen | the man pages says there's no difference between -r and -R |
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| 00:51.24 | Vasistha | mnguyen: another thing you can do is this: find dir/ \! -name '.' \! -name '..' -print0 | xargs cp -a --target-dir=newdir/ |
| 00:51.28 | maddash | mnguyen: then mv /dev/beta /beta |
| 00:51.30 | maddash | geez |
| 00:51.31 | Vasistha | mnguyen: another thing you can do is this: find dir/ \! -name '.' \! -name '..' -print0 | xargs -0 cp -a --target-dir=newdir/ |
| 00:51.36 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: huh? |
| 00:51.51 | Vasistha | mnguyen: sorry, I missed the -0 on the first try ;-) |
| 00:51.57 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: huh? see /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 00:52.00 | Vasistha | mnguyen: oops, still no good! |
| 00:52.10 | peterS | Vasistha: that seems a bit wasteful as it will copy directories recursively then _also_ copy their contents recursively |
| 00:52.13 | Vasistha | mnguyen: need a -maxdepth 1 as a parameter to find |
| 00:52.23 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: not there |
| 00:52.26 | mnguyen | Vasistha: yah... im kinda giving up on this lol |
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| 00:52.36 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: then you ain't using debian :-P |
| 00:52.38 | cmunx | Hi |
| 00:52.53 | Vasistha | mnguyen: heh, understandable. 'find' might be the best way. What are you trying to do, anyway? |
| 00:52.59 | mnguyen | Vasistha: is it possible to create an archive of the directory without retrieving the directory? |
| 00:52.59 | peterS | Vasistha: simplest approach: cp -a source/. target |
| 00:53.05 | peterS | Vasistha: the /. does just what you think it does |
| 00:53.15 | obsethryl | bsmntbombdood: the interfaces file is ok, first of all, how many boxes do you require to have ip set from the router? |
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| 00:53.16 | enouf | why did maddash leave? .. he sucks ass?/ |
| 00:53.16 | Vasistha | peterS: oh!! well, that's brilliant! |
| 00:53.24 | mnguyen | Vasistha: basically im trying to copy the beta version of our portal to a development directory, and we're going to launch soon... so copy the beta directory down to the parent direcory as well |
| 00:53.29 | Vasistha | mnguyen: dude, listen to peterS, methinks he's got the solution |
| 00:53.34 | daeos | peterS: you ever used kismet and tryed to build from source? im having a problem with it |
| 00:53.45 | peterS | daeos: no - what makes you think I have? |
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| 00:53.53 | obsethryl | bsmntbombdood: pm? |
| 00:53.56 | bsmntbombdood | obsethryl: 3 i think |
| 00:53.58 | bsmntbombdood | sure |
| 00:54.01 | obsethryl | okie |
| 00:54.05 | enouf | peterS: r i g h t .. the "." for sourcing .. doh! |
| 00:54.15 | Vasistha | mnguyen: that seems to work perfectly, cp -a dir/. newdir/ |
| 00:54.17 | peterS | enouf: how it works is obvious enough, right? |
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| 00:54.25 | enouf | peterS: indeed |
| 00:54.25 | mnguyen | peterS: oh crap, you're my hero! |
| 00:54.33 | mnguyen | Vasistha: yep it worked :) smart... |
| 00:54.33 | maddash | mnguyen: `cp -r blob/ blob2/ ; mv blob2/blob/* blob2/ ; rm -r blob2/blob` |
| 00:54.43 | peterS | maddash: mine is easier (: |
| 00:54.44 | daeos | peterS: just asking someone a direct question as #kismet is less helpful than here |
| 00:54.58 | maddash | peterS: yours took too long to figure out |
| 00:55.10 | maddash | peterS: mine took only 20 seconds of thinking |
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| 00:55.20 | mnguyen | maddash: and that gets hidden files? |
| 00:55.28 | maddash | mnguyen: what hidden files? |
| 00:55.31 | mnguyen | cause blob/* i dont think get the hidden files.. |
| 00:55.32 | mnguyen | .* |
| 00:55.33 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: there is no /etc/udev/rules.d/z25* |
| 00:55.33 | peterS | mine took about the same, but I didn't _start_ thinking of it until a couple minutes ago |
| 00:55.37 | maddash | mnguyen: yes |
| 00:55.40 | Vasistha | maddash: your mv command is globbing, it's gonna fail |
| 00:55.43 | maddash | peterS: bull. |
| 00:55.53 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: what's cat /proc/version say? |
| 00:55.54 | mnguyen | rofl |
| 00:56.06 | maddash | Vasistha: you realized that I tried this out, rah? |
| 00:56.08 | peterS | (: |
| 00:56.11 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: Linux version 2.6.15-1-486 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:19:16 UTC 2006 |
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| 00:56.22 | peterS | maddash: you tried it with a directory that includes files starting with . ? |
| 00:56.27 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: what's cat /etc/debian_version say ? |
| 00:56.34 | Dionix | do i have to apt-get install links2 if i want to use it with the svga libraries? |
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| 00:56.40 | Dionix | or will regular links work |
| 00:56.42 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: 4.0 |
| 00:56.52 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: ahhh .. you got an oldiee .. and lixed/matched jobbie there ..heh |
| 00:56.56 | Vasistha | maddash: you may have tried it out, but I'm still not convined it's gonna work. blob2/blob/* is not gonna match dot-files. |
| 00:57.15 | peterS | Dionix: links doesn't have any graphics support, only links2 does |
| 00:57.20 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 00:57.23 | Dionix | thanks peterS |
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| 00:57.47 | enouf | s/lixed/mixed |
| 00:57.48 | tnks | Hi. From previous experiences, I though that /var/log/syslog didn't capture /everything/ that was put to the console during a bootup, but I just looked at syslog, and it seems pretty fleshed out. Does anyone have an explanation for this? |
| 00:58.07 | maddash | Vasistha: why don't you try it out before you start spewing incorrect information? |
| 00:58.19 | enouf | peterS: right links2 -g .. i'm a proud user ;-) |
| 00:58.35 | enouf | !customer |
| 00:58.35 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:59.36 | peterS | enouf: it works well enough, but in general if I want to use a graphics browser it's because of unicode fonts or javascript or some such, so links2 doesn't cut it. most of the time I just browse in text mode |
| 01:00.06 | Vasistha | maddash: mkdir a a/b; touch a/b/.c; mv a/b/* a/ |
| 01:00.08 | enouf | peterS: well .. i also use it as a file viewer/browser ;-) |
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| 01:00.36 | peterS | Vasistha: indeed, that will fail two different ways. mv will complain that * is not found, _and_ it will not move .c |
| 01:00.40 | Vasistha | maddash: of course, you could probably make it work with shopt |
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| 01:01.17 | peterS | I used to use the glob * .??* to catch all files. I don't tend to have 2-char files starting with . so that works in most cases. |
| 01:02.03 | enouf | peterS: when i need a browser that can handle all the CRAPOLA out there, i used to turn to Epiphany-browser as a lightweight FF alternative, but it too sucks ass, so I guess i'll have to use konqui for now .. until i can oversome this Opera liccensing d/l agreement ;-P |
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| 01:02.03 | Vasistha | the dir/. trick really works, though, that is clearly exactly what is needed. |
| 01:02.12 | peterS | enouf: I've stuck with galeon through thick and thin. it's far from perfect but I've never been in the mood to try to get used to another browser (and I do like gal better than ffox) |
| 01:02.23 | tnks | wait a second. I just realized that a while ago I switched to syslog-ng. Maybe that has something to do with better console output coverage? |
| 01:02.36 | enouf | peterS: never heard of galeon .. hrm |
| 01:02.59 | peterS | it's Yet Another Minimalist Gecko Browser. like epiphany but older |
| 01:03.12 | enouf | peterS: I even installed a "Volkswagon" .. in the hopes of finding something appropriate .. lol |
| 01:03.12 | coshen | does the livecd install a wifi-ready system? |
| 01:03.45 | enouf | but I have no idea how to drive it ;-).. it's called "vh" .. that's it |
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| 01:04.20 | enouf | peterS: ewww.. so galeon still uses the "mozilla" engine? |
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| 01:04.30 | peterS | yes |
| 01:04.35 | peterS | enouf: so my sister calls me up this afternoon to wish me happy holidays. holidays plural - Earth Day in on the 22nd, and she also wanted me to have a happy 4/20. is that funny or what? because neither she nor I are the type to properly celebrate 4/20 |
| 01:04.38 | enouf | ouch .. no thanks .. |
| 01:05.05 | peterS | yeah if you don't like seamonkey/firefox/epiphany specifically because of the rendering engine, you won't like galeon either |
| 01:05.12 | coshen | is there any single cd which can install a wifi-ready system? |
| 01:05.52 | enouf | peterS: well .. happy holidays ..and more, from moi ;-) |
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| 01:06.07 | peterS | I suppose stoned is off celebrating 4/20 |
| 01:06.15 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: when doing aptitude update i get "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1...W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 01:06.26 | enouf | heh .. pipe inj pocket, bong in hand ;-) |
| 01:06.47 | daeos | coshen: i found an article on google about wep cracking that talked about a non-deb distro that had wifi tools pre installed |
| 01:06.47 | coshen | peterS: what's so special about 4/20? |
| 01:07.06 | peterS | coshen: "420" is general slang for anything related to smoking weed |
| 01:07.36 | Vasistha | bsmntbombdood: you should install the debian-archive-keyring (you may also want debian-multimedia-keyring if you want w32codecs and other stuff that's not in debian) |
| 01:07.40 | daeos | its 4:20 somewhere... |
| 01:07.49 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: do this as a User --> gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 01:07.49 | coshen | has it got to do with Cho? |
| 01:08.05 | peterS | I don't know who or what Cho is |
| 01:08.35 | peterS | enouf: errr, why the two different key IDs there? |
| 01:08.35 | Vasistha | coshen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4:20 |
| 01:08.36 | coshen | eh? |
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| 01:08.50 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: gpg: WARNING: nothing exported |
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| 01:09.20 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: do this first then; |
| 01:10.01 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 01:10.01 | enouf | as Vasistha eluded or told you too ;-) |
| 01:10.23 | enouf | peterS: which two diff? |
| 01:10.39 | peterS | enouf: keys 2D230C5F and 6070D3A1 |
| 01:10.48 | bsmntbombdood | thank's obsethryl |
| 01:11.11 | obsethryl | np mate glad you resolved your issues with net :P |
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| 01:11.14 | obsethryl | night all |
| 01:11.18 | enouf | peterS: my apologies .. yep! |
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| 01:11.24 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: my bad |
| 01:11.27 | obsethryl | and thank you too :) |
| 01:11.42 | enouf | peterS: i copied it from the factoid without reviewing it entirely |
| 01:11.51 | peterS | ahh |
| 01:11.54 | enouf | peterS: i only edited the last key ebtry |
| 01:11.57 | enouf | :-( |
| 01:12.00 | bsmntbombdood | E: Couldn't find package debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 01:12.03 | daeos | can someone tell me why apt-get upgrade would tell me that there are 4 packages kept back from upgrading? |
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| 01:12.44 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: that one is only needed if you use marillat's repo also |
| 01:12.51 | bsmntbombdood | enouf: i do |
| 01:13.10 | daeos | The following packages have been kept back: apt-file enigma mozilla-browser mydns-mysql |
| 01:13.12 | enouf | bsmntbombdood: then follow the instructs from there .. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 01:13.14 | daeos | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
| 01:13.35 | daeos | someone be so kind to point out why i get this message? |
| 01:13.48 | enouf | daeos: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:13.53 | Vasistha | bsmntbombdood: it may be in contrib or non-free ... let's see your sources.list in a pastebin ;-) |
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| 01:14.22 | Vasistha | daeos: are you still running sarge, and wanting to upgrade to etch? |
| 01:14.30 | enouf | daeos: there are dependency isues is _why- |
| 01:14.39 | daeos | enouf: got same issue |
| 01:14.45 | bsmntbombdood | sources.list http://pastebin.ca/450700 |
| 01:14.45 | daeos | i already upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 01:15.17 | Vasistha | daeos: if you use the aptitude front-end to examine those packages, their descriptions might give you some insight |
| 01:15.25 | daeos | oh ok |
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| 01:16.26 | Vasistha | bsmntbombdood: alright, first of all, you'll probably want to add contrib non-free to some of your lines there. Second, ftp.nerim.net is no more, see <marillat> |
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| 01:16.50 | stoned | zapata |
| 01:18.05 | bsmntbombdood | Vasistha: which lines? |
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| 01:18.13 | stoned | its dead in here |
| 01:18.18 | kdog | Is there a bare minimum install available? The standard install installs packages I don't think I need. |
| 01:18.28 | stoned | netinst |
| 01:18.29 | Vasistha | bsmntbombdood: those for the official debian repos |
| 01:18.31 | stoned | !netinst |
| 01:18.31 | dpkg | it has been said that netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 01:18.32 | peterS | stoned: hey, happy 4/20 |
| 01:18.41 | stoned | peterS hey thanks brothr |
| 01:18.43 | stoned | you too |
| 01:18.44 | stoned | :) |
| 01:18.51 | Vasistha | kdog: the net install, done without a network connection, will install a base system of about 250 MB |
| 01:18.59 | bsmntbombdood | ok |
| 01:19.03 | stoned | peterS for the time being, I can't either :( |
| 01:19.14 | stoned | must keep my system clean until I find a professional job |
| 01:19.19 | peterS | indeed |
| 01:19.32 | stoned | got a few interviews lined with some local companies for admin work |
| 01:19.42 | stoned | just recently bought a suit cuz I forgot mine in baton rouge |
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| 01:19.46 | stoned | hope I get something soon |
| 01:19.55 | stoned | I can't do this hourly job bullshit anymore |
| 01:20.06 | kdog | Vasistha, stoned Thanks. I install that in a VM and see what I get. |
| 01:20.26 | stoned | netinst is the shizboo man |
| 01:20.38 | stoned | I only install with that, unless otherwise specified/needed |
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| 01:21.19 | el_alexluna | hi all! |
| 01:21.25 | spyro_boy | hi |
| 01:21.28 | daeos | apt-file required " --- libconfig-file-perl (UNSATISFIED)" |
| 01:21.31 | spyro_boy | luna <3 |
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| 01:21.46 | Vasistha | stoned: good luck with your job hunt, man, and may you have a merrier 4/20 next year ;-) |
| 01:21.49 | stoned | Vasistha thanks bro |
| 01:21.55 | xelados | Can anyone tell me why Debian is so large? |
| 01:22.00 | xelados | You know, the whole 3 DVD thing |
| 01:22.02 | muxwel | what's the diff between upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 01:22.04 | stoned | I might toke with rahul tomorrow |
| 01:22.11 | zinx | xelados: because there are a lot of package maintainers |
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| 01:22.23 | stoned | I am trying not to but its damn tempting |
| 01:22.31 | Vasistha | xelados: because it has a lot of packages. You don't need them all. In fact, I'd advise only downloading the net install CD, which is about 180 MB |
| 01:22.47 | xelados | Hmm, maybe I'll do that then. |
| 01:22.49 | stoned | how many like 16,000 was the count last I checked |
| 01:22.50 | naught101 | anyone know if the group "ftp" for proftpd has a standard GID? |
| 01:22.54 | xelados | Is it wiser to go with etch or testing? |
| 01:22.56 | naught101 | and if so, what it is? |
| 01:22.56 | xelados | or unstable? |
| 01:23.08 | stoned | xelados if you have to ask, stick with stable/etch |
| 01:23.13 | muxwel | what's the diff between upgrade and dist-upgrade? anyone? |
| 01:23.14 | kspath | xelados: try stable first |
| 01:23.14 | Vasistha | naught101: whatever gid is set up when you install the package ;-) |
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| 01:23.21 | naught101 | cool |
| 01:23.22 | TCW | re |
| 01:23.25 | peterS | muxwel: dist-upgrade is more aggressive about replacing packages with other packages in cases where something seems to have been renamed. it is usually what you want |
| 01:23.33 | xelados | Well, etch is a snapshot of 4/08, right? |
| 01:23.35 | Vasistha | muxwel: dist-upgrade is more aggressive in temporarily breaking dependencies in order to do an upgrade |
| 01:23.48 | xelados | I'm not sure of the exact differences between unstable and testing, though. |
| 01:23.59 | kspath | xelados: etch/stable is debian 4.0 release |
| 01:24.01 | peterS | xelados: it's not a snapshot of anything, it was prepared very carefully, not just by snapshotting an existing archive |
| 01:24.05 | Vasistha | xelados: etch is not a snapshot. etch is a stable release. |
| 01:24.07 | naught101 | Vasistha: but it didn't... maybe I shoudl reconfigure it. otherwise, is there numerical range that the GID should be in? ie < 1000? |
| 01:24.07 | xelados | ohh |
| 01:24.08 | muxwel | peterS, no packages will be held back in dist-upgrade? |
| 01:24.17 | TCW | I want to report a wihslist bug against the package which is responsible for /etc/network/interfaces? dpkg -S schos no package, against what package should I report? |
| 01:24.17 | peterS | muxwel: I don't know, try it |
| 01:24.19 | stoned | there are not much at this point in time. After a few weeks of unstable, a package is put into testing if it isn't horribly buggy. |
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| 01:24.46 | peterS | TCW: 'ifupdown' is the package that reads that file. various packages might write to it during system installation. |
| 01:24.48 | muxwel | peterS, that's a lousy answer, coming fr someone who has been in this game so long. |
| 01:24.58 | peterS | muxwel: so you are unwilling to try it/ |
| 01:25.06 | stoned | I thought it was a good answer |
| 01:25.11 | Vasistha | muxwel: perhaps you should read the upgrade guide? |
| 01:25.14 | stoned | "try it." |
| 01:25.19 | stoned | damn good answer |
| 01:25.28 | muxwel | peterS, yes, becos it may break the system and could well make it unbootable. |
| 01:25.31 | peterS | muxwel: I don't know what is on your system or why you are getting packages 'held back'. if I were to tell you yes or no to your question, it could never be more than a guess |
| 01:25.43 | Vasistha | naught101: you know, I'm really not sure. Although, I'm wondering right now what the ftp group would be for, anyway |
| 01:26.00 | Vasistha | naught101: did it create an ftp user of some sort, to run the daemon? |
| 01:26.14 | peterS | muxwel: if you are upgrading from sarge to etch, there are very specific instructions in the release notes. if you are upgrading to unstable or testing, you obviously don't care much about having a working system anyway. so. |
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| 01:26.28 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - Just got a new Attack 3 joystick - recognized by the system (/var/log/messages) how do I configure it? Sabre (svgalib Flight Simulator) doesn't recognize it. |
| 01:26.29 | naught101 | it created the user proftpd, but not the user "ftp" |
| 01:26.29 | TCW | peterS, I know... but my wishlist should be reported against the most-correct package, so I think it should be the package which creates that file (during installation?)... so any idea? I think ifupdown is not _so_ correct. |
| 01:26.29 | kspath | peterS: hehehehe |
| 01:26.35 | naught101 | which I think is the norm |
| 01:27.04 | Vasistha | naught101: I'm not really sure why you would need such a group anyway. Why do you want this group? |
| 01:27.11 | muxwel | peterS, i am using etch which was testing but is now stable. i want to up to testing. should it be upgrade or dist-upgrade? |
| 01:27.11 | xelados | testing will be upgraded on a regular basis, right? |
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| 01:27.17 | xelados | While etch will not? |
| 01:27.25 | peterS | muxwel: I already told you the answer to that |
| 01:27.33 | peterS | xelados: right |
| 01:27.39 | stoned | etch will not recieve new packages only bugfixes that remain and critical security updates |
| 01:27.41 | peterS | TCW: if it's a feature you think should be available via the interfaces file, ifupdown is the right package as that is what has to read the file. or is it something else? |
| 01:27.42 | Vasistha | xelados: basically, yes. The only changes etch will see will be security fixes, not package upgrades. |
| 01:27.46 | stoned | stable is frozen |
| 01:27.47 | xelados | oh, okay |
| 01:27.49 | naught101 | Vasistha: setting up virtualmin, and that's what it's asking for |
| 01:27.53 | xelados | I think testing will be for me, though |
| 01:27.53 | naught101 | it might be wrong though |
| 01:28.01 | markit | during netinst install, I've choose no additional package to install, since I changed to sid. Now, is there a way to install what the installer would have put in the pc as "basic" selection? maybe a virtual package? |
| 01:28.10 | muxwel | peterS, you did not. that was bout the diff between upgrade and dist-upgrade. you can't communicate. |
| 01:28.17 | TCW | muxwel, just try it! You will see what will haben and you can interrupt the process befor it does any change! Look for yourself, no-one can say, it _really_ depends on your system |
| 01:28.25 | xelados | Alright, thanks. |
| 01:28.28 | peterS | muxwel: stop trolling. I told you which of the two you normally want to use. |
| 01:28.36 | xelados | The whole thing confused me. |
| 01:28.47 | stoned | markit that is from tasksel.. which I don't particularly condone. Just install whatever packages you need now by name |
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| 01:29.03 | thingfish | hey stoned |
| 01:29.10 | stoned | tasksel runs towards the end of the install process |
| 01:29.14 | stoned | thinger man!! |
| 01:29.14 | peterS | muxwel: you're the one who wants answers here, that means you're the one who has to be polite and accommodating. we are under no obligation to provide support, we do it because we _want_ to. if you get snippy with us, we no longer have much reason to want to help you. just so you know. |
| 01:29.17 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:29.18 | stoned | long time no see brother |
| 01:29.19 | Vasistha | markit: why don't you fire up aptitude front-end and browse for the packages you want? |
| 01:29.19 | muxwel | peterS, whenever someone points out your mistake or deficiency, he's a troll. what an idiot. peter ass. |
| 01:29.20 | TCW | muxwel, you can take the release-notes for etch by word there, even if it is not about an upgrade fron sarge to etch here, but the explanation there matches perfectly, read it |
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| 01:29.26 | stoned | whats up whats up?! happy 4/20 |
| 01:29.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@bb121-6-95-23.singnet.com.sg] by peterS |
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| 01:29.27 | peterS | sigh |
| 01:29.36 | stoned | !beer peterS |
| 01:29.45 | peterS | once again I'm about || this close to +q *!*@*.sg |
| 01:29.48 | thingfish | stoned: been working, no time for socializing anymore. work, eat, watch taped tv shows, go to bed. |
| 01:29.56 | troubled | !.sg |
| 01:29.56 | dpkg | from memory, .sg is Singapore |
| 01:30.00 | stoned | damn man, don't work so hard |
| 01:30.03 | troubled | ah |
| 01:30.21 | peterS | I don't know what it is about singapore, I'm sure most of its citizens are reasonable people, but you'd never know that from looking in #debian |
| 01:30.24 | stoned | I used to be like that, worked 5 days to enjoy 2. Horrible fucking deal. I can't dig it anymore. |
| 01:30.24 | TCW | !.us |
| 01:30.24 | dpkg | it has been said that .us is United States |
| 01:30.31 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 01:30.31 | dpkg | well, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 01:30.32 | TCW | ? |
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| 01:30.48 | Vasistha | TCW: /msg dpkg .us |
| 01:30.50 | troubled | peterS: at least aol.com has settled down over the years |
| 01:30.59 | peterS | troubled: yeah, september ended eventually |
| 01:31.01 | TCW | Vasistha, sorry :) |
| 01:31.07 | thingfish | stoned: I don't dig it at all either. |
| 01:31.09 | Vasistha | TCW: it's alright, you know now ;-) |
| 01:31.10 | stoned | no need to be sorry :) |
| 01:31.15 | troubled | peterS: get really bad in sept or somethin? |
| 01:31.33 | peterS | troubled: google 'september that never ended' |
| 01:31.39 | daeos | ..easy fix just removed the packages that wouldn't upgrade and reinstalled them (apt automatically installed dependancies) |
| 01:31.40 | stoned | hey thingfish man guess what I am now |
| 01:31.43 | stoned | s/what/where |
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| 01:32.03 | Vasistha | peterS: well, I mean, Singapore has a pretty weird history, after all. It makes some sense that the people would get an awkward attitude from the political tides. |
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| 01:32.34 | TCW | Vasistha, what if I forget? ;) |
| 01:32.45 | Vasistha | TCW: we'll just slap you around a bit ;-) |
| 01:32.52 | peterS | Vasistha: I try not to actually discriminate against people based on geography. (that is why we must not actually +q *!*@*.sg, as I'm tempted to.) |
| 01:33.01 | TCW | Vasistha, nice to know, I try to remember ;) |
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| 01:33.16 | stoned | you know |
| 01:33.18 | peterS | TCW: this is why we keep large trout sitting around |
| 01:33.27 | stoned | I was once on aol at someones house I tried to join here and boom |
| 01:33.30 | TCW | mIRC users around?! |
| 01:33.30 | stoned | banned |
| 01:33.33 | stoned | couldn't even get in |
| 01:33.36 | Vasistha | peterS: yeah, I know -- yet, I find that it's sometimes educational to examine why why might have these prejudices, and where they might root from |
| 01:33.42 | Vasistha | *why we |
| 01:33.49 | stoned | TCW to discuss mirc, join ##windows |
| 01:34.38 | TCW | stoned, I don't want to discuss _any_ related WIndowsstuff, be sure! I just thought "slapping with trouts" is trademarked by mIRC, see? ;) |
| 01:34.39 | stoned | hey I firgure, large trout is probably as big as a small whale |
| 01:34.41 | stoned | same difference |
| 01:34.42 | stoned | :D |
| 01:34.59 | peterS | Vasistha: sure, but one's home culture is not an excuse to be unable to fit into a different culture you wish to be a part of. in this case #debian. it is a basic social principle that if you're entering a new community you don't just open your mouth right away, you sit and figure out how the place works for a bit first. if you don't do that, you deserve to be misunderstood. |
| 01:35.13 | stoned | irssi > * IMHO |
| 01:35.30 | edju | Hope this isn't OT -- isn't mplayer supposed to play realplayer stuff w/o the binary codecs? |
| 01:35.30 | stoned | the options, the configurability man I love irssi |
| 01:35.34 | naught101 | Vasistha: actually, there is NO 'ftp' group, only the users 'proftpd' and 'ftp' |
| 01:35.37 | stoned | edju no |
| 01:35.43 | stoned | and you're not ot |
| 01:35.56 | stoned | edju also consult #mplayer |
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| 01:36.02 | peterS | yeah now that mplayer is in debian it's on-topic here, at least somewhat |
| 01:36.23 | Vasistha | naught101: virtualmin, huh? That's not in debian, afaik |
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| 01:36.41 | Vasistha | edju: ahha, but proprietary codecs are not ;-) |
| 01:36.43 | stoned | !mplayer |
| 01:36.43 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, in Debian testing and unstable. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
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| 01:36.53 | stoned | oh cool, factoid updated |
| 01:36.57 | Vasistha | peterS: erp, meant to highlight you with that last one, not edju |
| 01:37.12 | naught101 | Vasistha: it's a module of webmin, which is. |
| 01:37.26 | peterS | Vasistha: it's still on-topic to ask what mplayer can do without extra codecs though |
| 01:37.26 | daeos | stoned: you bet it is |
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| 01:37.36 | daeos | stoned: better than bitchX ^_^ |
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| 01:37.49 | mnguyen | how do i find all .htaccess files? |
| 01:37.52 | Dionix | is there anything special you have to do before or after you apt-get install xorg? |
| 01:37.52 | stoned | BX is also very good. Just depends on what one is used to. |
| 01:38.09 | stoned | !tell Dionix -about install x |
| 01:38.14 | Dionix | and i don't mean the xf86config |
| 01:38.14 | Vasistha | naught101: hum. the only thing I know about webmin is this: |
| 01:38.16 | Vasistha | !webmin |
| 01:38.16 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 01:38.23 | troubled | stoned: isnt BX based on similar irssi? |
| 01:38.26 | Dionix | !x |
| 01:38.30 | daeos | stoned: the first time i came to #debian on bitchx i was laughed at and told to use irssi... since then i've used it and love it |
| 01:38.31 | troubled | -similar |
| 01:38.31 | stoned | its based on ircII |
| 01:38.34 | edju | The codeecs go to /usr/local/lib/codecs / |
| 01:38.39 | bruno | sudo updatedb then do locate *.httaccess |
| 01:38.40 | troubled | ah thats the one |
| 01:39.34 | stoned | daeos please don't let that give you the impression that #debian looks down on BX. Some a-hole might have uttered his opinion strongly. |
| 01:39.34 | stoned | thats all. |
| 01:39.34 | edju | Lemmee try that again ... The codecs go to /usr/local/lib/codecs? |
| 01:39.40 | stoned | !w32codecs |
| 01:39.40 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a non-free package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 01:39.53 | stoned | it is available through /msg dpkg dmm |
| 01:40.02 | stoned | install the package and it should contain real decoders |
| 01:40.04 | stoned | IIRC |
| 01:40.18 | troubled | windows media is available in linux? wow. never thought id see the day |
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| 01:40.34 | cwheeler | it has been for several years troubled |
| 01:40.40 | daeos | troubled: i think its a lie..... someone is doing a late april fools |
| 01:40.45 | troubled | ;) |
| 01:40.52 | edju | w32codecs? I thought the codecs from mplayer's site were the ones. |
| 01:40.55 | Vasistha | troubled: well, to a certain extent. I don't know that there's any capability to encode |
| 01:41.09 | Vasistha | edju: well, the debian way is to get it from a debian repository, of course ;-) |
| 01:41.12 | troubled | i ripped my cd's to wma lossless. least I know I can skip converting em now should i ever use linux for music |
| 01:41.16 | stoned | edju w32codecs is just the name of the package mplayer/marillat used |
| 01:41.21 | stoned | !dmm |
| 01:41.22 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 01:41.28 | stoned | its easy to install |
| 01:41.35 | Vasistha | troubled: yeah, wma should play fine with mplayer + w32codecs |
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| 01:42.02 | troubled | good to know :) if only flac wasnt such a pain in windows i might have picked something else |
| 01:42.02 | Dionix | hmm |
| 01:42.10 | stoned | vlc has codecs built in doesn't it? |
| 01:42.10 | peterS | flac is a pain in windows? |
| 01:42.17 | stoned | peterS it is? |
| 01:42.17 | bruno | guys i need some help here.. i'm using debian etch. i set 3 FAT32 partitions to be mounted on /etc/fstab and it mounts ok.. i use this syntax: "/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0". That hsould do read/write acess to every user right? Now the problem is that gedit and bluefish opens files from these partitions as "read only" even when I run the editors as root. What i'm missing? |
| 01:42.28 | stoned | peterS wait are you asking? |
| 01:42.29 | peterS | I'm wondering, troubled says it is but I hadn't heard that before |
| 01:42.33 | stoned | oh |
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| 01:42.35 | troubled | peterS: well, if you want full win media player support |
| 01:42.37 | stoned | no its a breeze really |
| 01:42.42 | Vasistha | bruno: option rw |
| 01:43.00 | stoned | why the fuck would anyone use windows media player :) |
| 01:43.06 | troubled | peterS: well, the instructions on the site I visited made it look terrible |
| 01:43.09 | Dionix | stoned i think those instructions are for the old x like in woody and sarge, but back in my sarge days i started using xorg, but did it manually |
| 01:43.10 | bruno | thnx... i'll tr that then run a mount -a |
| 01:43.10 | stoned | use mplayer on windows too :) |
| 01:43.17 | Vasistha | stoned: there is only one reason -- because they do not know any better. |
| 01:43.21 | stoned | !install xorg |
| 01:43.22 | edju | Oh, I see. So they're the same - mplayer codecs and w32. I can play wma, but not realplayer. I wonder why? Trying freezes the browser. |
| 01:43.25 | stoned | !xorg |
| 01:43.25 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 01:43.25 | Dionix | oh |
| 01:43.29 | Dionix | lol thanks stoned |
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| 01:43.32 | stoned | oh setup x? |
| 01:43.33 | troubled | stoned: i just use wmp to rip since i get album art etc and it organizes my dir's. but winamp plays wma just fine which I prefer |
| 01:43.37 | stoned | what the fuck was the factoid called? |
| 01:43.39 | bruno | btw: windows media player SUX.. if you really have to use windows... use media player classic.. PWns |
| 01:43.40 | stoned | !setup x |
| 01:43.41 | dpkg | [set up x] First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 01:44.15 | stoned | I rip and burn and organize with Amarok |
| 01:44.23 | stoned | Amarok is great, but not for windows thought. |
| 01:44.26 | stoned | though* |
| 01:44.28 | troubled | ah |
| 01:44.38 | daeos | since i upgraded from sarge... would i remove xfree86 and install xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:44.39 | mius | hm too big |
| 01:44.41 | krazykit | stoned, not til it's ported to qt4, really |
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| 01:44.45 | daeos | from sarge to etch |
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| 01:44.52 | troubled | well, i do spend majority of my time in windows these days. Thought I would be fair and "try" the MS solution. |
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| 01:44.59 | Vasistha | daeos: yeah |
| 01:45.07 | bzed | stoned: there'll be kde4 for windows... probably amarok, too |
| 01:45.15 | stoned | I read about that |
| 01:45.19 | stoned | I could care less |
| 01:45.24 | stoned | I only use XP for Oblivion |
| 01:45.31 | troubled | bzed: kde4 for win as a explorer.exe shell replacement? |
| 01:45.50 | stoned | and recently I been getting sick of it, I beat almost every single quest in the game, so I don't konw if I will still use windows |
| 01:45.53 | bzed | troubled: no clue, but I guess so. |
| 01:46.35 | daeos | stoned: since i have a crappy x200 i use my 360 for Oblivion |
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| 01:46.56 | troubled | daeos: x200? |
| 01:47.02 | stoned | you know, I had only 200$ for a video card, and the X1900XTX beat every nvidia card in that price range |
| 01:47.08 | stoned | now I regret my decision to buy ATI |
| 01:47.13 | stoned | fuck fglrx! |
| 01:47.31 | troubled | stoned: ya, my ATI 9800 was a tad touchy for X |
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| 01:47.50 | daeos | yep ATI x200 |
| 01:47.52 | stoned | there is no AIGLX, no twinview, "big desktop" kills my refresh rates |
| 01:47.55 | stoned | its horrible |
| 01:48.02 | bzed | stoned: there's ebay, praise it as great and well working card and you get more than you've paid |
| 01:48.11 | stoned | I should do that |
| 01:48.27 | stoned | I should sell my entire machine. 3.5ghz core 2 duo E6300 machine 1gb ram |
| 01:48.34 | stoned | then buy E4300 and OC that :D |
| 01:48.39 | stoned | with an nvidia card |
| 01:48.47 | troubled | big gamer? |
| 01:48.51 | stoned | just oblivion |
| 01:48.55 | bzed | don't forget to mention that you got it from your aunt as part of your third PC and you used it only rarely, it's like NEEEEWWW! |
| 01:48.59 | stoned | I can't stand video games, no patience left anymore |
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| 01:49.14 | troubled | ya, i quit wow for similar reasons |
| 01:49.19 | stoned | bzed I did?! omg I did, didn't I! |
| 01:49.27 | stoned | bzed good thinking :) |
| 01:49.31 | troubled | not to mention my full t1 gear was usless past 60 :( |
| 01:49.45 | bruno | i wish i could quit playing warcraft iii-frozen throne!! |
| 01:49.55 | bruno | it takes me alot of dev time |
| 01:50.16 | stoned | we're all talking OT right now, but make sure if anyone asks for debian support to drop OT and help if you can |
| 01:50.20 | stoned | !ot |
| 01:50.20 | dpkg | hmm... ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 01:50.22 | troubled | bruno: could you imagine who productive society would be if windows didnt play games? :) |
| 01:50.28 | stoned | just to let ya'll know |
| 01:50.42 | troubled | ya we are a bit ot :) |
| 01:50.53 | stoned | I now eagerly await The Elder Scrolls 5 |
| 01:51.01 | bruno | !ot like this? |
| 01:51.03 | stoned | I can't wait to see what Bethesda can come up with |
| 01:51.08 | daeos | Vasistha: so i would do a apt-get remove xfree86(whatever the package is called) and then reinstall xserver-xorg ? |
| 01:51.12 | stoned | Oblivion kicked ass btw |
| 01:51.22 | bruno | morrowind pwns every rpg game i ever played |
| 01:51.34 | troubled | daeos: im sure you could just install xorg and it will replace xfree86 |
| 01:51.36 | stoned | morrowind was very buggy |
| 01:51.44 | stoned | daeos it replaces xfree |
| 01:51.45 | Vasistha | daeos: I suppose, but I would strongly recommend learning and using the aptitude front-end. It will give you much better visibility and control. |
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| 01:51.46 | bruno | yes but very promissing |
| 01:52.19 | bzed | Vasistha: i know how to use it, and I hate it :\ apt-get is still my alltime favourite |
| 01:52.22 | tls_81 | got myself a problem with lilo anyone know of a way to run /sbin/lilo whislt in rescue mode? |
| 01:52.29 | stoned | daeos apt-get --purge remove xfree* xserver-xfree* && apt-get install xorg |
| 01:52.32 | bzed | Vasistha: may be becuase I rarely remove thigns from my compuers again |
| 01:52.40 | stoned | daeos that should take care of it |
| 01:52.57 | stoned | I run a few sarge boxes but as servers, no X on them. |
| 01:53.00 | troubled | stoned: from a shell, dont you need to escape the *'s? |
| 01:53.04 | stoned | no |
| 01:53.07 | Vasistha | bzed: if you don't install/remove stuff very much, I can see how it would be a waste of your time, but aptitude is great for the multitudes! |
| 01:53.15 | stoned | troubled no |
| 01:53.16 | troubled | meh, been a while it seems :) |
| 01:53.22 | daeos | well i want x on it just to vnc to it |
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| 01:53.36 | daeos | when i get bored and want an opengl/gnu game to play |
| 01:53.37 | daeos | haha |
| 01:53.42 | stoned | !debgames |
| 01:53.43 | dpkg | [debgames] debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 01:53.48 | stoned | have fun |
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| 01:53.55 | stoned | that page is a bit outdated |
| 01:53.55 | troubled | daeos: rom-world.com? |
| 01:53.57 | stoned | I think |
| 01:53.58 | bzed | Vasistha: oh, I install packages daily, but I don;t remove them, becuase I usualyl will just need them again. different thign on servers, but there I rarely install anythign that won;t run the next years |
| 01:54.14 | bzed | stoned: ever used scummVM? :D |
| 01:54.21 | stoned | bzed no I have not |
| 01:54.21 | OMFG-Why | hey all u peoples, this is the only channel with live people in =D |
| 01:54.25 | stoned | I have read about it though |
| 01:54.29 | daeos | troubled: i was thinking of making some intellivsion roms ... but don't have a catridge to put in my system |
| 01:54.32 | daeos | :\ |
| 01:54.43 | TheCoffeMaker | Hi all ... I'm trying to use module-assitan to compile the nvidia module in etch i386 with a amd64 kernel, but I'm getting errors ... someone knows a workaround? |
| 01:54.43 | OMFG-Why | stoned, u from SA? |
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| 01:54.54 | stoned | I just bought a gameboy advanced SP and pokemon emerald :) |
| 01:55.01 | stoned | I love pokemon! and I'm an old fart! |
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| 01:55.06 | stoned | OMFG-Why no |
| 01:55.10 | OMFG-Why | kk ;) |
| 01:55.18 | troubled | daeos: why use a real cartridge when you can just run it in mame or an emulator |
| 01:55.27 | Vasistha | bzed: well, I often install things, try them, and find that I don't need them, so it's really nice that aptitude automatically removes any unneeded dependencies when I remove the packages later |
| 01:55.28 | daeos | troubled: cause my inty still works |
| 01:55.30 | OMFG-Why | its 4am here now... :) |
| 01:55.40 | markybob | !errors |
| 01:55.40 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
| 01:55.48 | bzed | OMFG-Why: OMFG - Why ? |
| 01:56.02 | OMFG-Why | lol, shhh =p |
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| 01:56.21 | bzed | Vasistha: if I really try somethign I usualyl just copy the list of isntalled packages and get rid of it asap |
| 01:56.22 | stoned | bzed can scummvm play Kings Quest games? |
| 01:56.27 | tls_81 | anyone? |
| 01:56.28 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 01:56.37 | stoned | those were awesome, back in the days of Dos |
| 01:56.48 | stoned | I would love to play TIM again. The Incredible Machine |
| 01:56.50 | TheCoffeMaker | bzed: are u talking to me? |
| 01:56.51 | stoned | awesome game man |
| 01:57.04 | Vasistha | stoned: ooooh, tim was great, too |
| 01:57.09 | stoned | someone should make a OSS TIM |
| 01:58.43 | bzed | stoned: don't think so... but http://www.scummvm.org/compatibility.php |
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| 01:58.43 | daeos | stoned: i want KROZ to come back |
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| 01:58.43 | stoned | bzed already there |
| 01:58.44 | stoned | :) |
| 01:58.44 | bzed | TheCoffeMaker: uhm... in case you wanna spend some coffe.. sure... :P if not, no :P |
| 01:58.44 | bzed | !tell TheCoffeMaker about nvidia one-liner |
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| 01:58.45 | TheCoffeMaker | one-line??? |
| 01:58.45 | TheCoffeMaker | r? |
| 01:59.08 | stoned | TheCoffeMaker what are you looking to do? |
| 01:59.09 | bzed | TheCoffeMaker: read what dpkg told you |
| 01:59.15 | OMFG-Why | anyone here that watches bsg??? :D |
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| 01:59.56 | troubled | enouf: .... |
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| 02:00.15 | TheCoffeMaker | stoned: I installed the kernel binaries for amd64 in etch i386 ... but I need to add the nvidia module por my video card |
| 02:00.38 | enouf | trebuge? |
| 02:00.54 | stoned | TheCoffeMaker I have not much experience with amd64 |
| 02:01.11 | stoned | TheCoffeMaker I suppose it should be installed the same way.. do as dpkg said per bzed |
| 02:01.18 | aubade | Any chance the stock kernels in testing/unstable support IVT? |
| 02:01.44 | stoned | what is ivt? |
| 02:01.48 | bzed | TheCoffeMaker: err which kernel binaries did you isntall? |
| 02:02.18 | TheCoffeMaker | bzed: 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 02:02.23 | cwheeler | TheCoffeMaker I use the nvidia modules from the nvidia site, i've only used i386 |
| 02:02.24 | aubade | Intel Virtualization, like AMD-V. |
| 02:02.33 | bzed | TheCoffeMaker: ok, then read what dpkg told you and do it |
| 02:02.40 | stoned | oh |
| 02:02.43 | bruno | guys i need some help here.. i'm using debian etch. i set 3 FAT32 partitions to be mounted on /etc/fstab and it mounts ok.. i use this syntax: "/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0". That hsould do read/write acess to every user right? Now the problem is that gedit and bluefish opens files from these partitions as "read only" even when I run the editors as root. (I tried adding rw option to the fstab and had no success) |
| 02:02.53 | stoned | aubade maybe with an smp kernel? I dunno |
| 02:02.55 | bzed | aubade: get kvm and kvm-source from unstable and build the module |
| 02:03.10 | enouf | aubade: the 2.6.20 will natively |
| 02:03.12 | bzed | aubade: or install a xen kernel |
| 02:03.23 | daeos | anyone every play an Intellivsion? (or the game Treasure of Tarmin) |
| 02:03.26 | bzed | enouf: the kvm in 2.6.20 is totally outdated, better use the debian kvm-source |
| 02:03.37 | enouf | IIRC, 2.6.20 just got recently uploaded to the repos |
| 02:03.47 | stoned | aubade http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/kvm |
| 02:03.57 | stoned | nice |
| 02:04.10 | aubade | Suppose I'll try building up the KVM module first. |
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| 02:04.14 | vchrizz | hi |
| 02:04.24 | aubade | Alright, off to take a swing, thanks. |
| 02:04.28 | enouf | bzed: whatever .. no idea ;-) |
| 02:04.35 | bzed | aubade: the xen stuff works well, too - depends on what you need |
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| 02:04.40 | OMFG-Why | f**k i hate windows |
| 02:04.48 | Vasistha | bruno: I can tell you that my fat32 mount has the options, 'noauto,users' and that seems to work alright. |
| 02:04.48 | bzed | enouf: I think in 2.6.20 is version -12 and we have -19 in unstable |
| 02:04.54 | OMFG-Why | the only thing my pc will let me do is use mirc |
| 02:04.55 | bzed | OMFG-Why: OMFG - Why ? |
| 02:05.01 | OMFG-Why | everything else is frozen |
| 02:05.03 | bzed | *G* sorry :P |
| 02:05.08 | stoned | bzed hahaha |
| 02:05.10 | OMFG-Why | and task master is also |
| 02:05.17 | OMFG-Why | i cant ctrl alt del |
| 02:05.21 | Vasistha | OMFG-Why: do you have a debian-related question?? |
| 02:05.25 | stoned | OMFG-Why ##windows |
| 02:05.28 | OMFG-Why | i cant use desktop or start menue |
| 02:05.29 | enouf | bzed: from where is -12? I'm referring to Debian kernels |
| 02:05.37 | stew | OMFG-Why: wrong channel |
| 02:05.42 | stoned | hi stew |
| 02:05.42 | OMFG-Why | ok soz Vasistha |
| 02:05.47 | stew | stoned: aloha |
| 02:05.48 | OMFG-Why | ill keep quiet |
| 02:05.54 | bzed | enouf: in no kernel at all, 2.6.20 contains a rather old kvm version |
| 02:06.00 | stoned | OMFG-Why you can find windows support in ##windows |
| 02:06.39 | stew | man this package takes forever to build |
| 02:06.41 | OMFG-Why | rofl |
| 02:06.45 | stoned | stew which? |
| 02:06.50 | vchrizz | on http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5653 ive read that i have to create my ext3fs on md0 when using raid1 instead of the raid1 components, else e2fsck will complain... well, what to do if i didnt do that? |
| 02:06.51 | stew | stoned: rosegarden |
| 02:06.56 | OMFG-Why | my windows is stopping me from joining another channel on mirc |
| 02:07.02 | OMFG-Why | so i cant goto windows |
| 02:07.04 | stoned | ahh, you're maintaing it or just building it? |
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| 02:07.06 | OMFG-Why | #windows* |
| 02:07.07 | stew | stoned: did you ever get anywhere with the game you were packaging? |
| 02:07.11 | OMFG-Why | lol! |
| 02:07.11 | OMFG-Why | * Error creating window |
| 02:07.17 | stew | stoned: maintaining |
| 02:07.20 | enouf | bzed: i was ony mentioning that 2.6.20, that kvm is finally natively supported .. and as an aside, to grab any/all available Debian kernel stuffs 2.6.20+ |
| 02:07.30 | stew | stoned: it takes 30 minutes to build or something |
| 02:07.35 | bzed | enouf: aah ok |
| 02:07.38 | OMFG-Why | im stuck here.. :( |
| 02:07.47 | stoned | stew I unpacked my computers today.. hung all my clothes and cleaned up a little.. hopefully soon I should have it all hooked up and running. Then I will try to package the game again. |
| 02:07.48 | stew | stoned: i left off a semicolon. back in the 30 minute penalty box |
| 02:07.50 | krazykit | OMFG-Why, if this doesn't have to do with debian, you're in the wrong place |
| 02:07.51 | daeos | !windows |
| 02:07.52 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 02:07.55 | stoned | stew ok |
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| 02:08.05 | stew | stoned: oh I forgot you were a windows user now :P |
| 02:08.11 | stoned | hey back off ! :) |
| 02:08.17 | OMFG-Why | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.19 | troubled | daeos: heh |
| 02:08.23 | stew | stoned: did you celebrate today? |
| 02:08.26 | stoned | nah |
| 02:08.33 | stoned | i have work tomorrow |
| 02:08.37 | bzed | stew: which game are you packaging? |
| 02:08.41 | stew | stoned: oh, right |
| 02:08.42 | troubled | celebrate what, Hitlers birthday? |
| 02:08.44 | stoned | I'll go to rahuls house tomorrow and toke with him hopefully |
| 02:08.52 | stoned | he said he was getting some green tonight |
| 02:08.59 | stew | bzed: none. i'm in recovery as far as games go. stoned was working on one |
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| 02:09.02 | enouf | coco crisp .. man I'm cuckoo for cocopuffs |
| 02:09.05 | troubled | must be a ding dong dead which thing *shrug* |
| 02:09.08 | stoned | !smc |
| 02:09.08 | dpkg | smc is, like, the Self-Made Critic at http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/ Secret Maryo Chronicles is an Open Source two-dimensional platform game with a style designed similar to classic sidescroller games. which utilizes the platform independent libray, SDL and since Version 0.98 with the OpenGL accelerated Graphics Renderer developed in C++. http://www.secretmaryo.org/ |
| 02:09.12 | OMFG-Why | krazykit. i kno im in the wrong place, only thing is i cant goto another channel.. :( |
| 02:09.19 | stoned | bzed Maryo :) |
| 02:09.21 | krazykit | OMFG-Why, try hitting alt-f4 |
| 02:09.26 | stew | cuckoo for falling into the bull-pen |
| 02:09.26 | OMFG-Why | im gonna need debian help in a few days |
| 02:09.44 | OMFG-Why | windows wont let me alt f4 |
| 02:09.49 | OMFG-Why | or ctrl alt del |
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| 02:09.51 | Vasistha | OMFG-Why: why don't you just turn off your computer? |
| 02:09.53 | OMFG-Why | rofl |
| 02:10.02 | bruno | Vasistha: i wrote your options so now my fstab line looks like: "/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat noauto,users,rw,iocharset=utf8,umask=000 0 0" but i still have no sucess.. files are read only... curiously when i do ls -l it shows that the files have write permissions: "-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1274 2007-04-20 17:38 config.php" |
| 02:10.07 | bruno | what shoudl i do guys? |
| 02:10.08 | OMFG-Why | cause then windows will take 40 mins + to boot up |
| 02:10.08 | stoned | stew I have to rebuild the package, and seperate the game from the music/graphics |
| 02:10.14 | daeos | OMFG-Why: press and hold the power button |
| 02:10.15 | OMFG-Why | and its 4:15am |
| 02:10.16 | enouf | stew: heh |
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| 02:10.28 | krazykit | since you insist on not being remotely ontopic, welcome to /ignore, OMFG-Why |
| 02:10.29 | enouf | nice one .. way to go |
| 02:10.32 | stew | enouf: we turned it off |
| 02:10.43 | Vasistha | bruno: those were the *only* options I have. try noauto,users,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 02:10.44 | enouf | I just might |
| 02:10.47 | OMFG-Why | if i reboot, windows will take more then 40 mins to load |
| 02:10.47 | stoned | stew right now the package is closed to 75MB. As the artwork/music are not updated on each release, it is better to seperate the game from the media |
| 02:10.53 | stoned | would be easier to manage |
| 02:10.54 | troubled | OMFG-Why: ahh, thats a known problem. I got a bios flash image you can install to solve that problem :) |
| 02:10.55 | bzed | stoned: how coooooool. I think I can still play super mario land on the gameboy a fwe times trough |
| 02:11.01 | Vasistha | bruno: and of course, you know you need to umount and mount, right? |
| 02:11.05 | stew | stoned: sounds like the right thing to do. when i adopted rosegarden it had a bug requesting that and it only had 5mb in /usr/share |
| 02:11.23 | Vasistha | OMFG-Why: can you stop complaining about your windows problems in here, please? |
| 02:11.24 | bruno | i did mount -a that should make it? |
| 02:11.31 | OMFG-Why | its fine, i kno its not ur problem, :) ill just read wot u guys talking about |
| 02:11.32 | bruno | sudo* |
| 02:11.36 | OMFG-Why | soz to hav bothered |
| 02:11.53 | enouf | ur? |
| 02:11.54 | Vasistha | bruno: that is not going to remount it. |
| 02:12.02 | enouf | !ne1 |
| 02:12.02 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 02:12.05 | bruno | because of the noauto |
| 02:12.07 | bruno | heh |
| 02:12.07 | Vasistha | !soz |
| 02:12.13 | Vasistha | what *is* soz?? |
| 02:12.13 | bruno | i will reboot my system |
| 02:12.18 | Vasistha | bruno: no! |
| 02:12.19 | stoned | rub together |
| 02:12.20 | bruno | ? |
| 02:12.20 | stoned | hahaha |
| 02:12.22 | liable | bruno: just remount it |
| 02:12.23 | stew | whatever it is, we don't need a factoid |
| 02:12.24 | Vasistha | just umount, and then mount again. |
| 02:12.25 | bruno | ok i'm lazzy |
| 02:12.29 | bruno | ok i will then |
| 02:12.46 | stoned | stew I got a haircut today |
| 02:12.47 | Vasistha | bruno: just because you change /etc/fstab does not mean your system will automatically update itself. |
| 02:12.51 | troubled | OMFG-Why: Impressive your trolling skills are. Many distractions created you have. |
| 02:12.55 | stoned | all prepped out short with spiked in front |
| 02:13.02 | stoned | I look clean now, way too clean |
| 02:13.06 | enouf | we need more smitetoids afaic |
| 02:13.14 | bruno | Vasistha: yea but mount -a doesn't cut it? |
| 02:13.17 | daeos | OMFG-Why: you know... better you fix your issue than hang around here because nobody will listen to something complete off topic |
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| 02:13.27 | enouf | er .. maybe tradtoids is more apropo |
| 02:13.29 | kspath | !cowsmite |
| 02:13.33 | Vasistha | bruno: mount -a only mounts partitions that are not already mounted. it doesn't re-mount. |
| 02:13.35 | amphi | !fruitsmite enouf |
| 02:13.36 | enouf | re tardtoids |
| 02:13.41 | stoned | hahaha |
| 02:13.42 | bruno | oh thankyou! |
| 02:13.48 | enouf | ymmy! thanks dpkg |
| 02:13.56 | daeos | !fish amphi |
| 02:14.07 | Vasistha | bruno: you almost never have to restart linux ;-) |
| 02:14.08 | OMFG-Why | um, i said i was sorry to hav bothered and i will talk no more till in a few days i need help with debian? |
| 02:14.09 | amphi | mmm, tasty |
| 02:14.30 | amphi | I am the only one who has not spoken |
| 02:14.32 | Vasistha | OMFG-Why: the echos of annoyance are still reverberating ;-) |
| 02:14.35 | stoned | Vasistha how true is that eh? I love linux. |
| 02:14.36 | daeos | !troll |
| 02:14.36 | dpkg | from memory, troll is [troll] In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. http://www.verhau.de/badges/ATT314559.jpg |
| 02:14.41 | stew | ok ok enough |
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| 02:15.08 | daeos | just so you guys know... that link doesn't work anymore |
| 02:15.41 | stoned | hi Guerin |
| 02:15.46 | HYPOCRISY | hello |
| 02:16.13 | stoned | HYPOCRISY, great death metal band from a long time ago |
| 02:16.13 | stoned | hi btw |
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| 02:17.46 | kspath | HYPOCRISY: are you related to HYPERCRISY ? |
| 02:18.29 | stew | enouf: woah, aparantly i turned it off too soon |
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| 02:19.26 | stew | enouf: know i know what you were talking about with cuckoo |
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| 02:20.09 | stew | enouf: we just didn't turn it back on when we left the restaurant in the 7th |
| 02:20.17 | stoned | I was very young and my grandparents has this clock and on the half hour and hour marks a cuckoo came out and and I would sit there and watch it. It was awesome |
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| 02:21.25 | stoned | I can't wait until the 27th, I'll get a lot of tax return money.. mmmm |
| 02:22.03 | cplx | lol how so? |
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| 02:22.33 | stoned | I filed my taxes and federal withheld a lot. Now they will send it back to me via direct deposite. |
| 02:22.47 | cplx | haha |
| 02:22.48 | cplx | nice |
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| 02:23.12 | bruno | i can't umount a partition in /mnt/windows .. it says it is busy but all i got running is irclient and aptitude. i even did a ps aux | grep windows to check if something might be running from there and got nothing... how can i find what is accessing /mnt/windows ??? |
| 02:23.17 | stoned | yeh.. I don't even think about it man. Tax to me is like throwing money in a well. |
| 02:23.20 | stoned | whatever you know |
| 02:23.29 | sussudio | bruno: lsof |
| 02:23.31 | Guerin | bruno: fuser or lsof |
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| 02:23.37 | sword | bruno: lsof |grep /mnt/windows |
| 02:23.40 | liable | bruno: have you got a term cd'd into it? |
| 02:23.40 | stoned | bruno umount -f? |
| 02:23.45 | Guerin | bruno: but if you don't care, you can just use umount -l |
| 02:23.50 | Guerin | \-f doesn't fix this |
| 02:23.51 | stoned | or -l |
| 02:23.54 | liable | how bout that rugby game? |
| 02:23.55 | stoned | yeh yeh i remember |
| 02:24.01 | Guerin | liable: don't tell me the result |
| 02:24.08 | stoned | -l == just do it |
| 02:24.18 | amphi | stoned: except your wish is never granted... |
| 02:24.21 | Guerin | -l = i'm too lazy to find out what's using it |
| 02:24.29 | stoned | yeh that |
| 02:24.32 | bruno | ERRRRR.. My apache is configures to output logs to there... thankyou guys |
| 02:24.37 | bruno | configured* |
| 02:24.42 | stoned | I wasn't clean on the dictinction between -f and -l when I read the manpage |
| 02:24.43 | Guerin | bruno: wtf |
| 02:24.48 | stoned | clear* |
| 02:25.16 | liable | thats a strange place to put logs |
| 02:25.18 | stoned | wait why does your apache log to a mounted ntfs drive? |
| 02:25.25 | stoned | thats kinda fucked |
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| 02:25.32 | Guerin | yes, it's very fucked |
| 02:25.39 | stoned | I'm guessing that or vfat is what you have in /mnt/windows |
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| 02:27.30 | stoned | I was once using an ext3 drive under xp through ext2fsd and mounted it as RW. Few months later, the disk wouldn't work/mount under linux, couldn't even read it at all, and under windows it would mount as ext3, but was being read as an HPFS |
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| 02:27.35 | stoned | confused the FUCK outta me man |
| 02:27.39 | stoned | I still haven't figured it out |
| 02:27.47 | stoned | I just backed it up and reformatted |
| 02:27.56 | bruno | Guerin: I'm a webdeveloper i'm migrating to debian (started it in about 1 week ago) and in the meanwhile i use old windows place to put php files. i also redirected logs to tehre.. that is because sometimes i use debian to develop and sometimes i still use winxp... widnows can't write logs to linux filesystem (because win sux) so i had to do taht |
| 02:28.00 | liable | mesa upgrade, wonder if it will break my xgl like it usually does |
| 02:28.10 | stew | i had a friend try to use some windows ext2 driver toget at his photos and it set them all to 0 length |
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| 02:28.21 | stoned | ouch |
| 02:28.29 | sandman | Is there a way to keep Debian from using DHCP with my eth0 interface? |
| 02:28.40 | Guerin | sandman: man interfaces |
| 02:28.42 | liable | yes |
| 02:28.51 | enouf | sorry honorables (and unmentionables), but i was afk for a bit there, and now that i'm back .. i'm going to relax, and lurk ;-) |
| 02:29.11 | bruno | yes... menu: Desktop > Administration > Netowrking |
| 02:29.15 | woodgrain | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... Module i915 not found ... cannot find it or install. |
| 02:29.49 | woodgrain | apt-cache search ... does it search packages, modules or what? |
| 02:29.49 | enouf | modprobe i915 ? |
| 02:29.52 | stoned | stew even though there is no internet, or cds, and I installed XP to play Oblivion, I have still mounted my ext3 disk as RO under xp with ext2fsd and it works just fine |
| 02:29.55 | liable | xserver-xorg-video-i810? |
| 02:30.04 | woodgrain | enouf, modprobe i915 yields nothing. |
| 02:30.04 | stoned | soon as I get my router I can get back on debian |
| 02:30.14 | stoned | oh man I can't wait to get back on linux |
| 02:30.25 | sandman | Guerin: I edited that file |
| 02:30.37 | woodgrain | liable, i've got xserver-xor-video-i810. How do I check if i915 is _contained_ in it? |
| 02:30.40 | enouf | there was an issue .. a BTS about some situation about the i915 |
| 02:30.51 | bruno | whats correct way to stop apache? |
| 02:31.03 | stoned | bruno /etc/init.d/apache stop |
| 02:31.14 | bruno | thnx |
| 02:31.28 | woodgrain | enouf ... i'm on 'lenny/sid' do I even want xorg (as opp. to xfree86)?? |
| 02:31.32 | enouf | woodgrain: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=406111 |
| 02:31.38 | stoned | lenny/sid? |
| 02:31.39 | liable | woodgrain: good question. 'dpkg -S i915' |
| 02:31.57 | bruno | for me it had to be: sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 02:31.58 | enouf | not sure if applicable though .. am lazy now |
| 02:31.59 | stoned | its one or the other :) |
| 02:32.12 | bruno | thnaks! |
| 02:32.13 | stoned | bruno well yeah you do it as root priv. |
| 02:32.13 | Guerin | sandman: congratulations |
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| 02:32.32 | bruno | ok, thank you for your attention |
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| 02:32.36 | stoned | xorg is the shizboo |
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| 02:32.49 | woodgrain | stoned ...cat /etc/debian_version yields: lenny/sid |
| 02:32.54 | woodgrain | stoned ...cat /etc/debian_version yields: lenny/sid |
| 02:32.58 | stoned | woodgrain strange |
| 02:33.06 | zinx | lenny/sid? o_O |
| 02:33.12 | zinx | what kind of weirdass version is that |
| 02:33.19 | woodgrain | stoned .. what is strange about it? |
| 02:33.21 | sandman | Nothing is mentioned about dhcp in interfaces |
| 02:33.34 | stoned | sandman just change dhcp to static and give it an ip etc. |
| 02:33.39 | fugaro | What is VGA quality like with a big-screen, high-resolution LCD? |
| 02:33.44 | zinx | weird, it used to say testing/unstable or testing/sid.. |
| 02:33.45 | Guerin | zinx: testing/unstable |
| 02:33.51 | Guerin | yeh |
| 02:33.53 | zinx | i guess that got changed |
| 02:33.59 | stoned | sandman google for a sample version of /etc/network/interfaces which is configured to be static and use it as a guide |
| 02:34.01 | zinx | 'cause mine is updated as well |
| 02:34.02 | woodgrain | zinx, I swear it's what I have ... what do you think. |
| 02:34.07 | Guerin | fugaro: since vga is 640x480, blocky |
| 02:34.13 | sandman | stoned: I did |
| 02:34.16 | zinx | woodgrain: oh, i believe you |
| 02:34.21 | zinx | woodgrain: it just surprised me |
| 02:34.22 | Guerin | sandman: man interfaces |
| 02:34.25 | Guerin | sandman: reaqlly |
| 02:34.30 | Guerin | just fucking read it |
| 02:34.31 | stoned | sandman so whats the problem then? |
| 02:34.33 | zinx | woodgrain: mind you, i don't stay on top of these things :) |
| 02:34.41 | fugaro | Guerin, what do you mean vga is 640x480? |
| 02:34.42 | sandman | It keeps grabbing a dhcp address |
| 02:34.58 | stoned | zinx woodgrain I have not used debian in almost 1.5 months.. since before etch went stable. |
| 02:34.59 | fugaro | I'm referring to a 20" at 1600x1200. |
| 02:35.00 | dondelelcaro | sandman: it won't grab a dhcp address if you don't have an iface eth0 dhcp; stanza |
| 02:35.01 | liable | sandman: do you use network-manager or how do you bring up your ifaces? |
| 02:35.13 | stoned | so I don't know, but lenny/sid is not the same thing and why it says that, is beyond me |
| 02:35.16 | woodgrain | stoned, I had this rig working before my synaptic did an 'upgrade' ... should xorg, theoretically speaking, be able to do anything xfree86 could ... I'm running modern hardware, with on-board graphics. |
| 02:35.19 | Guerin | fugaro: that's well beyond vga |
| 02:35.28 | stoned | woodgrain yes |
| 02:35.29 | sandman | liable: I use /etc/init.d/networking start/stop/restart/what-not |
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| 02:35.33 | Saizan | hi |
| 02:35.34 | zinx | stoned: it's just saying it's either testing or unstable, so they don't have to have a different package for that |
| 02:35.47 | sandman | dondelelcaro: There's no dhcp stanza in there |
| 02:35.52 | liable | sandman: then its in your ifaces file.. |
| 02:35.52 | stoned | testing is another package tree altogether |
| 02:35.58 | fugaro | Guerin, what are you talking about? |
| 02:35.59 | liable | sandman: paste it |
| 02:36.00 | sandman | dondelelcaro: But I only changed it recently, and ran /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:36.03 | bruno | Vasistha: i just wanted to tell you that it worked, my FAT32 mount is now writable! Thankyou very much! |
| 02:36.05 | fugaro | Guerin, vga versus dvi. |
| 02:36.07 | stoned | so it should either say lenny/testing or lenny whatever. lenny/sid makes no sense to me |
| 02:36.11 | bruno | Cya guys.... Go Debian! Go! |
| 02:36.12 | sandman | liable: I will somewhere else, I don't want to get kickewd |
| 02:36.13 | sandman | -w |
| 02:36.18 | bruno | exit |
| 02:36.19 | sandman | liable: #flood? |
| 02:36.25 | liable | sure |
| 02:36.36 | Guerin | fugaro: vga is a resolution of 640x480. WHat are YOU talking about? |
| 02:36.42 | Guerin | fugaro: you mean the connector? |
| 02:36.45 | fugaro | Guerin, vga port. |
| 02:36.48 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:36.53 | woodgrain | zinx, sid is the same as 'unstable'?? |
| 02:36.53 | fugaro | Guerin, of course. |
| 02:36.58 | stoned | woodgrain yes |
| 02:36.59 | zinx | woodgrain: always |
| 02:37.10 | Guerin | fugaro: no quality issues; works fine |
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| 02:37.17 | dondelelcaro | sandman: just ifdown eth0; ifup eth0; will tell you if it's configured correctly. |
| 02:37.26 | Guerin | sometimes waviness if you use a vga->rca or such |
| 02:37.27 | daeos | speaking of xorg .... would a nvidia GeForce4 MX 440 have an issues with xorg running? |
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| 02:37.35 | Guerin | daeos: no. |
| 02:37.36 | stoned | daeos no |
| 02:37.41 | fugaro | Guerin, but dvi is better? |
| 02:37.42 | Saizan | i'm using sid, and when i try to apt-get libgtk2.0-dev it wants to remove gnome and other gtk programs, is there a workaround ? |
| 02:37.56 | stoned | just use either nv or nvidia... if you don't need 3D support just use nv (oss driver) |
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| 02:38.12 | Guerin | fugaro: dunno. It might be better for some applications, but I rather doubt you'd notice. |
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| 02:38.30 | Guerin | Saizan: are you mixing distros? |
| 02:38.32 | woodgrain | dpkg -S i915 ===> libgl1-mesa-dri: /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 02:38.32 | dpkg | You Fool! i915 ===> libgl1-mesa-dri: /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so is installed! |
| 02:38.42 | Saizan | Guerin: no |
| 02:38.46 | woodgrain | do I have to build these sources to get i915 ^ |
| 02:38.53 | Guerin | Saizan: what branch are you ruinning? |
| 02:38.59 | stoned | lol |
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| 02:39.01 | stoned | ruining |
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| 02:39.02 | stoned | hahahaha |
| 02:39.07 | Guerin | yeh yeh |
| 02:39.11 | stoned | im sure it was a typo |
| 02:39.11 | Saizan | Guerin: unstable as i said |
| 02:39.13 | stoned | but hilarious |
| 02:39.29 | Guerin | Saizan: thanks for finding that bug ... time to fix it! |
| 02:39.41 | Guerin | Saizan: welcome to life with sid. |
| 02:39.47 | Saizan | heh :) |
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| 02:40.09 | stoned | I would hate to have a child that behaved like sid.. I might end up sending her to a bootcamp |
| 02:40.12 | stoned | argh |
| 02:40.25 | Saizan | never got a problem so far actually |
| 02:40.27 | stoned | eh, bootcamps don't really help |
| 02:40.38 | Guerin | Saizan: until now. Sid has been very quiet of late. |
| 02:41.09 | stoned | Saizan I have had, what, about 4-6 problems with sid in like 4-6 years |
| 02:41.12 | stoned | :) |
| 02:41.16 | Saizan | so i should expect more coming?:) |
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| 02:41.30 | Guerin | Saizan: yes. Things always hot up after a release. |
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| 02:41.55 | Saizan | fund :D |
| 02:42.06 | Saizan | s/d// |
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| 02:43.22 | woodgrain | Okay, so if I have i915 "installed" why does startx error output read [drm] failed to load kernel module "i915" |
| 02:43.33 | stoned | is it modprobed? |
| 02:43.44 | stoned | lsmod |grep i915 |
| 02:44.15 | Acu | guys - do you know whether hp offers tech support on servers with debian ? |
| 02:44.22 | stoned | yes |
| 02:44.30 | stoned | for sarge, they officially support debian on thier hardware |
| 02:44.35 | nn-laptop | hi |
| 02:44.52 | woodgrain | stoned, lsmod | grep i915 gives nothing. |
| 02:45.04 | stoned | wood modprobe i915 |
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| 02:45.14 | stoned | or whatever be the name of the kernel module |
| 02:45.28 | woodgrain | FATAL: module i915 not found |
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| 02:46.17 | Acu | stoned: thanks - I have to look what they have then - I want a opteron server and want to implement some turnkey solution based on debian - and the customer will need some reasurance for suport |
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| 02:46.39 | stoned | Acu call them and talk to them first before you decide to buy of course |
| 02:46.42 | worren | after a recent upgrade, i lost firefox and get iceweasel. is that normal? |
| 02:46.48 | stoned | worren yes |
| 02:46.49 | Guerin | worren: yes. |
| 02:46.56 | stoned | !tell worren -about iceweasel |
| 02:47.01 | worren | stoned: what happened? |
| 02:47.05 | daeos | oo i noticed that |
| 02:47.09 | daeos | as well |
| 02:47.20 | amphi | !tell worren about why iceweasel |
| 02:47.25 | woodgrain | stoned, should these video modules be rolled into a basic kernel? |
| 02:47.38 | stoned | if you want |
| 02:47.48 | daeos | i even got iceape :P |
| 02:47.58 | woodgrain | stoned, but, like, 'from the factory' or do you have to roll your own |
| 02:48.19 | daeos | !tell daeos about why iceweasel |
| 02:48.25 | stoned | about i915 I have no info as I've never used it or did anything for anyone else with it |
| 02:48.33 | stoned | stock kernels in debian do not contain it afaik |
| 02:48.34 | stew | daeos: you can just "/msg dpkg whatever" |
| 02:48.47 | stoned | I might be wrong though |
| 02:48.58 | stoned | what the fuck is i915 anyway? onboard intel video? |
| 02:49.05 | woodgrain | stoned, yes |
| 02:49.07 | stoned | ahh |
| 02:49.12 | SCORules | Are the operators idle? |
| 02:49.23 | stoned | SCORules no |
| 02:49.31 | woodgrain | stoned, it worked before upgrade, and well. I think I was on xfree86 then |
| 02:49.37 | SCORules | Okay, I won't plug SCOX stock then. |
| 02:49.43 | daeos | stoned: intel chipset 915 |
| 02:49.52 | daeos | stoned: sux0rs |
| 02:50.00 | stoned | I figured. onboard is usually suckage |
| 02:50.06 | daeos | oh you bet |
| 02:50.21 | daeos | Intel "Extreme" Graphics Chipset |
| 02:50.22 | stoned | I've never used an intel video, ever. always nvidia, and lately my first ati, which I regret no |
| 02:50.24 | stoned | now* |
| 02:50.50 | stoned | I will never ever get anything but nvidia, ever again |
| 02:51.03 | worren | ummh, ok, to remain free. any diff at all between firefox and iceweasel? is only debian doing this or other distros too? |
| 02:51.07 | daeos | best thing to do with that onboard i915 is.. if you can't get a new card.. beef up the ram is sucks off the mobo |
| 02:51.11 | woodgrain | stoned, I'm going to Fry right fucking now. what card do I buy? |
| 02:51.35 | SCORules | woodgrain: Something shiny. |
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| 02:51.56 | stew | woodgrain: get somethin with a built in intel graphics card and a soldering iron |
| 02:52.04 | stoned | worren mozilla artwork doesn't not comply with DFSG. Debian used its own artwork for it. Mozill says if you are going to use the name Firefox, then use everything or use none. Debian said to hell with it, and changed the name. I think. |
| 02:52.13 | stoned | does not* |
| 02:52.20 | woodgrain | stew, I can solder like a you don't even know. |
| 02:52.29 | stoned | lol |
| 02:52.46 | stew | woodgrain: i'm sure i have no idea about your actaully soldering ability |
| 02:52.51 | K|NgGh0sT | How can I find new sources for apt? |
| 02:52.53 | SCORules | Who needs Firefox. |
| 02:53.01 | stew | without the ly |
| 02:53.06 | daeos | SCORules: would your name be... in reference to a game from gpotato? |
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| 02:53.18 | stoned | no, sco linux |
| 02:53.27 | stoned | c'mon man isn't that obvious |
| 02:53.28 | stoned | :) |
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| 02:53.46 | stoned | simonrvn!! my buddy my dude my pal |
| 02:53.53 | stoned | whats up man dude homie bro |
| 02:53.55 | SCORules | I am an SCOX stock pump and dump troll current behaving due to non idle operators. |
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| 02:54.26 | daeos | SCORules: you never know |
| 02:54.42 | K|NgGh0sT | woo time to break my debian box more |
| 02:54.43 | worren | stoned: the same restriction should apply to other distros too. do they all agree to use the name 'iceweasel' or each going its own way? |
| 02:54.45 | K|NgGh0sT | Moving to Lenny |
| 02:54.53 | SCORules | I told #gentoo and #kubuntu about SCOX' expected 400% ROI |
| 02:55.01 | Nyle | worren I don't know and don't really care about other distros. |
| 02:55.30 | Nyle | worren what other distros do with mozilla is thier business, I have no knowledge of it |
| 02:56.08 | Nyle | worren wikipedia article on iceweasel explains it. Also google |
| 02:56.09 | worren | Nyle: in the world of free-and-open software, no one distro is an island. |
| 02:56.24 | Nyle | worren agreed, but I don't keep up with other distros |
| 02:56.28 | Nyle | is what I'm saying |
| 02:56.41 | worren | k |
| 02:56.54 | woodgrain | how do I go from Lenny to Etch. I'm hosed |
| 02:57.11 | Nyle | I think other distros don't mess around with DFSG policies so they can use the name firefox and mozilla artwork |
| 02:57.17 | Nyle | nm |
| 02:57.19 | K|NgGh0sT | woodgrain, /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 02:57.26 | SCORules | After I said SCO was going to sue end users with the RIAA's legal council, I got kicked. |
| 02:57.45 | Nyle | SCORules its offtopic here |
| 02:58.12 | Saizan | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.15 | SCORules | Since there are non idle operators, I'm going to part and come back later. |
| 02:58.24 | SCORules | May the trolls be with you. |
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| 02:58.35 | stew | eh? |
| 02:58.41 | Nyle | beats me |
| 02:58.48 | Nyle | I guess its someone more stoned than I |
| 02:58.49 | Nyle | haha |
| 02:59.24 | Nyle | well babies |
| 02:59.29 | Nyle | I must sleep, so good night |
| 02:59.49 | stew | daeos: please stop the viruses and reboot the internet |
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| 03:00.58 | daeos | this guy has a Java/ByteVerify.Exploit.Trojan |
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| 03:03.18 | AndreasDK | Hi. I just installed Debian with KDE for the first time |
| 03:03.42 | |chiz| | *applause* |
| 03:03.56 | Starwatcher | AndreasDK congrats!! |
| 03:04.04 | AndreasDK | Can someone please tell me how to "freshen" the menus up? IceWeasel and oowriter looks frustratingly gray |
| 03:04.40 | AndreasDK | .. as does xchat for that matter |
| 03:04.47 | K|NgGh0sT | What video drivers are you using for X? |
| 03:04.47 | Starwatcher | control center and try a different theme |
| 03:05.00 | K|NgGh0sT | misschan |
| 03:05.12 | |chiz| | AndreasDK: apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 03:05.29 | |chiz| | ;) |
| 03:05.35 | K|NgGh0sT | ignore him |
| 03:05.36 | AndreasDK | I am using Plastik and the window borders are fine - it`s the menus that looks like something outta the 1980`s |
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| 03:05.38 | sandman | Okay |
| 03:05.46 | sandman | I ran ifup and such, and it just acquired another dhcp |
| 03:05.52 | Starwatcher | lol ok will not start a gnome/kde battle lol |
| 03:05.59 | sandman | You said you wanted me to pastebot the interfaces file? |
| 03:06.04 | AndreasDK | chiz: Please... I`ve been using Gnome for 2 years... Think I`m done with that |
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| 03:06.28 | Arafangion | AndreasDK: The latest Gnome's ain't that bad. |
| 03:06.50 | AndreasDK | Nahh.. just want to see what all the fuzz about KDe is |
| 03:06.59 | |chiz| | AndreasDK: i just couldn't resist the comment |
| 03:07.15 | Starwatcher | AndreasDK the control center will allow you to change about everything |
| 03:07.53 | Starwatcher | apt-get the theme first and that will give you a big choice |
| 03:07.58 | Arafangion | AndreasDK: KDE has a far more consistent UI and design. Design wise, KDE is actually better, imho. |
| 03:08.08 | K|NgGh0sT | damnit! |
| 03:08.13 | Arafangion | AndreasDK: After all, Linus said so! |
| 03:08.18 | K|NgGh0sT | and upgrade to lenny helped somewhat in my Int10 issue |
| 03:08.21 | liable | sandman: yes, paste the whole file |
| 03:08.31 | K|NgGh0sT | Xorg now sees that its a Gefore 5900FX... |
| 03:08.44 | liable | sandman: and run 'bash -x /ec/init.d/networking restart' and paste it |
| 03:08.45 | Starwatcher | Arafangion yes he did!! lol |
| 03:09.26 | |chiz| | AndreasDK: what debian branch? |
| 03:09.29 | AndreasDK | star: Do you know what option in the look and feel section (Control Panel) I shall look for? |
| 03:09.34 | AndreasDK | Lenny |
| 03:10.13 | amphi | AndreasDK: warm 'n fuzzy ? ;) |
| 03:10.15 | AndreasDK | Got tired of running Ubuntu with Debian through vmware. Seemed like the world reversed. |
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| 03:10.47 | Starwatcher | AndreasDK in my version it is listed under Appearance & Themes first on the list |
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| 03:11.16 | K|NgGh0sT | so who here is the Nvidia/X Guru? |
| 03:11.24 | AndreasDK | amphi: Well... It seems better that pclinuxos |
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| 03:11.39 | AndreasDK | Star: strange.. I`ve got Background there |
| 03:11.42 | Starwatcher | os[Linux 2.6.18-4-k7 i686] distro[Debian 4.0] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2100+ @ 1.74GHz] mem[Physical : 504MB, 73.5% free] disk[Total : 117.78GB, 91.60% Free] video[nVidia Corporation AGP-V3800 SDRAM] sound[] |
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| 03:13.08 | daeos | Starwatcher: i wish i had 73% free |
| 03:13.11 | daeos | i've got 99% used |
| 03:13.14 | AndreasDK | os |
| 03:13.34 | AndreasDK | Hmm.. Dunno how to paste my ressources |
| 03:13.44 | Starwatcher | AndreasDK I just installed debian using net-install on two machine, my test rig has never ran that good before, if you using an amd proc upgrade to2.6.28-4-k7 kernel |
| 03:14.29 | Starwatcher | daeos just installed a new 160g drive that is why I have so much |
| 03:14.31 | AndreasDK | Star: Eh?? I`ve just got the standard system |
| 03:15.11 | Starwatcher | what do you mean by standard system? |
| 03:15.43 | daeos | cpu:Pentium III (Katmai) 448.96;Cache 512kb; System Bogomips:886.78;HDD WDC WD200BB-00AUA1 (Capacity: 18.65 GB) |
| 03:15.43 | AndreasDK | Meaning that I know far too little about linux to begin meddling with the kernels |
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| 03:16.12 | Starwatcher | what kernel are you using? |
| 03:16.20 | AndreasDK | No idea |
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| 03:16.52 | Starwatcher | go to control center and on the startup screen it will tell you |
| 03:17.00 | troubled | AndreasDK: bah, get in there and get dirty boy! |
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| 03:17.06 | AndreasDK | My computer boots and I haven`t paid anything for the OS... That`s my knowledge-level |
| 03:17.35 | Starwatcher | heh well you are in for a treat, you make it the way you want it |
| 03:17.38 | troubled | ahhh, so your a linux pir8 eh? |
| 03:17.39 | jordanb | I just tried to install etch on a Sun Ultra 5 and it won't boot from the disk after an error-free install. |
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| 03:18.06 | jordanb | If I do "boot disk" Openboot says "Can't open boot device." |
| 03:18.23 | Starwatcher | jordanb why did you do a boot from disk? |
| 03:18.36 | AndreasDK | 2.6.18-4-686. Does that sound aboout right? |
| 03:18.49 | jordanb | Starwatcher, What else would I boot from? |
| 03:19.01 | AndreasDK | troubled: Sue me! |
| 03:19.07 | daeos | 2.6.8-3-686 is mine |
| 03:19.15 | daeos | i need to update huh?? |
| 03:19.19 | Starwatcher | oh thought you meant floppy sry |
| 03:19.50 | Starwatcher | AndreasDK that is a good kernel |
| 03:19.50 | troubled | AndreasDK: I would if the software you were using was merchantable with fitness for a particular purpose ;) |
| 03:20.03 | troubled | well, thats probably way off, but im sure some got the ref. |
| 03:20.21 | concept10 | Is the debootstrap directory used for anything after install? |
| 03:20.48 | troubled | AndreasDK: i promise ill make a better effort to look up the gpl for ya next time I try joke about it ok? :) |
| 03:20.57 | Starwatcher | daeos no you don't keep that one for awhile works great on my hp p111 |
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| 03:21.08 | amphi | !topicsmite Magui |
| 03:21.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Magui. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:21.19 | Magui | yes, please smite me. |
| 03:21.24 | Magui | thank you. |
| 03:21.27 | amphi | Magui: sorry, couldn't resist ;) |
| 03:21.30 | stew | concept10: you mean /debootstrap? or /usr/lib/debootstrap? |
| 03:21.37 | Magui | amphi: hehe |
| 03:21.43 | concept10 | stew: /debootstrap/ |
| 03:21.46 | AndreasDK | troubled: Don`t bother! I`m too lazy to read through a 400 pages document saying that I can do whatever I want to. |
| 03:21.55 | troubled | AndreasDK: jokes aside, I do suggest jumping right into a kernel compile HOWTO. The system will probably make a tad more sense once you get your first compile out of the way |
| 03:22.10 | Magui | I'll be damned..."Lenny"? what happened to sid? I liked sid. |
| 03:22.22 | troubled | well, the gpl is nowhere near 400 pages, but I hear ya |
| 03:22.24 | amphi | Magui: sid is always ustable |
| 03:22.29 | amphi | *unstable |
| 03:22.29 | Starwatcher | jordanb what loader did you use grub? |
| 03:22.35 | stew | concept10: that was for --second-stage (like base-config), but if youve done that stuff (/list setting up fstab, sources.list, root password, whatever) it's no longer needed |
| 03:22.39 | gpm | hi guys. long time nvidia drivers user...i know the one-liner, i've never had problems before. but now X reports that it can't load module nvidia, though nvidia clearly shows up in lsmod and dmesg....so anyone have any ideas as to why i can't use these drivers anymore? on sid here. |
| 03:22.48 | Magui | amphi: oh...jeez...I didn't know about that rule. |
| 03:22.56 | K|NgGh0sT | Lenny still uses the 2.6.18 Kernal right? |
| 03:23.02 | jordanb | Starwatcher, Debian installed slilo, it didn't give me a choice. |
| 03:23.08 | gpm | K|NgGh0sT: yeah, i think so |
| 03:23.09 | AndreasDK | Yup! |
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| 03:23.19 | amphi | !tell Magui about sid |
| 03:23.23 | AndreasDK | Well.. Gotta go.... |
| 03:23.34 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: yes |
| 03:23.38 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm |
| 03:23.39 | K|NgGh0sT | well |
| 03:23.40 | concept10 | stew: the only thing left is the empty /debootstrap/debootstrap.log |
| 03:23.42 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm going to go cry |
| 03:23.57 | concept10 | gosh, irssi completes filenames |
| 03:24.04 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: (/msg dpkg why is linux-2.6 not in testing) |
| 03:24.12 | amphi | concept10: yeah, handy, huh? ;) |
| 03:24.14 | sandman | ANybody know why my eth0 would keep grabbing a dhcp addy even though I set it to static in interfaces? |
| 03:24.17 | troubled | concept10: its the simple things in life.... |
| 03:24.18 | Magui | amphi: well, I gotta rehink this, I guess. I honestly thought that aptitude and apt-get was still having problems. had no idea that I was running stable now (all my apt sources are set to download etch stuff, not testing). |
| 03:24.21 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, oh its not that issue |
| 03:24.26 | Starwatcher | well I hat elilo I use grub and have never had a problem as for solving you problem short of reinstalling and using a netinstall, I don't have the answer for you. |
| 03:24.28 | K|NgGh0sT | Hgue Int 10 bug which I cant fix |
| 03:24.34 | K|NgGh0sT | and was hoping Lenny would fix it |
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| 03:24.42 | jetscreamer | K|NgGh0sT: 2.6.20 linux-image borks my box anyway, no big loss... my compile functions though. |
| 03:24.46 | concept10 | amphi: yep... but zsh is the kind :) |
| 03:24.57 | concept10 | s/kind/king |
| 03:25.00 | stew | K|NgGh0sT: that was an answer to "Lenny still uses the 2.6.18 Kernal" |
| 03:25.01 | amphi | concept10: it is ;) |
| 03:25.13 | Starwatcher | I think the loader is not pointing to the right mount point |
| 03:25.48 | stew | concept10: yeah, for a whlie i was ircing for the first time from a box with xorg installed which made it nice for helping here when i could tab complete stuff like /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 03:25.48 | K|NgGh0sT | stew, I need a hug |
| 03:25.53 | Starwatcher | does it dead stop?? |
| 03:25.54 | stew | !hug K|NgGh0sT |
| 03:26.00 | K|NgGh0sT | aww |
| 03:26.22 | concept10 | the stock completions in zsh amaze me at least twice a week until I found how it was done... The damn thing completes aptitude searches, dpkg stuff, man pages, iptables, and everything in between |
| 03:27.19 | troubled | concept10: such voodoo is best left a secret :) |
| 03:27.33 | concept10 | stew: well, I mostly use xchat, put now im starting to run a couple of full screen terminals until i need to browse web |
| 03:27.47 | concept10 | troubled: that greatness should be spread to everyone! |
| 03:27.50 | Magui | quick question for everybody here running etch (stable): have you gone almost a week with no new updates, not even security updates? (you can reply to me in private, if you like) the reason I ask is that's the situation I'm facing. oh, btw, yeah, I'm a linux newbie. |
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| 03:28.15 | troubled | concept10: if you did that, then everyone would make a zsh clone |
| 03:28.28 | jetscreamer | weird thing about stable... it is. |
| 03:28.40 | concept10 | Magui: updates dont happen every week, thats why its stable |
| 03:28.55 | concept10 | Magui: only come out when things need patching |
| 03:28.55 | troubled | concept10: no offense, but were running low on TLA's until TLAv6 comes out :) |
| 03:29.39 | Magui | jeez...OK...sorry about my cluelessness. I'm kinda new at this stable thing. had no idea that it was THAT stable. |
| 03:29.46 | stew | Magui: http://debian.org/security or /msg dpkg dsa |
| 03:29.59 | Magui | stew: thanks! |
| 03:30.07 | stew | Magui: those will tell you when seucirty updates actually released |
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| 03:30.16 | concept10 | troubled: cobalt:~% apropos tla |
| 03:30.16 | concept10 | tla: nothing appropriate. |
| 03:30.16 | concept10 | zsh: exit 16 apropos tla |
| 03:30.23 | troubled | !tla |
| 03:30.24 | dpkg | i guess tla is Three Letter Acronym. or the archetypal TLA. <see arch> |
| 03:30.39 | amphi | !etla |
| 03:30.39 | dpkg | hmm... etla is Extended TLA |
| 03:30.45 | amphi | ;) |
| 03:30.47 | troubled | amphi! :) |
| 03:30.47 | stew | Magui: but other than security updates the only updates you should expect are updates to packages which have become completly unusuable or uninstallable |
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| 03:32.28 | jetscreamer | total loser argument? |
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| 03:32.43 | troubled | !wtf tla |
| 03:32.45 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 03:32.55 | troubled | bah, nobody every installs that on blootbot's |
| 03:32.59 | troubled | err systems |
| 03:33.15 | Magui | stew: OK. that's probably gonna be tough for me to gauge. last weekend, I got done fixing some hardware problems which seemed to partly corrupt my debian install. I'm pretty sure I've got everything fixed now. the only thing was that aptitude and apt-get were acting like there are absolutely no new updates. it puzzled me (I've been running etch for about a year now). |
| 03:33.21 | troubled | dondelelcaro: apt-get install wtf please? thanks :) |
| 03:33.44 | concept10 | heh |
| 03:33.46 | Magui | stew: so I thought there was still something to fix. had no idea that etch had become stable (until a few minutes ago). |
| 03:33.58 | troubled | concept10: sorry, i would have explained it, but then it would have lost some of its humour :) |
| 03:34.07 | concept10 | yeo |
| 03:34.52 | concept10 | Magui: you've been on testing for a year? |
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| 03:35.29 | aidan`` | when is EOL for sarge? |
| 03:35.50 | jetscreamer | sarge got fragged |
| 03:35.52 | Magui | concept10: yeah. this is my first linux system. I started with stable (sarge), quickly got unhappy with it, and upgraded to testing. |
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| 03:36.08 | markybob | aidan``: not set yet. probably a year or so |
| 03:36.10 | Magui | that's worked out well. |
| 03:36.49 | jetscreamer | Magui: don't go sid. you'll never be happy if you go back... |
| 03:36.53 | Magui | I dunno if I'll like etch stable either. well, I'll try it out for a while, I guess. |
| 03:37.02 | aidan | markybob: cool |
| 03:37.10 | jetscreamer | once you do sid, you're addicted... |
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| 03:37.23 | aidan | I'm getting these funny errors |
| 03:37.23 | aidan | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 03:37.23 | aidan | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://public.planetmirror.com sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/public.planetmirror.com_pub_debian-amd64_debian_dists_sarge_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 03:37.24 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: I used to use Sid, never again! |
| 03:37.28 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: Used it for 2 years. |
| 03:37.30 | concept10 | I cant remember if I changed my box back over to stable and im too lazy to check |
| 03:37.43 | woodgrain | jetscreamer, I'm on sid and I want to go back. I can'd do a simple reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 03:38.00 | Magui | jetscreamer: hehe. actually, the more I used it, the more it seemed that testing seemed the right fit for me. I dunno...maybe I'll try sid sometime. but I am (or was) pretty happy with testing. |
| 03:38.01 | Arafangion | Sid is the little boy next door who breaks toys. |
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| 03:38.24 | Arafangion | Magui: Testing eventually becomes stable, which is terrific, but Sid always stays Sid. |
| 03:38.30 | Magui | Arafangion: yeah, stories like yours are part of the reason I stuck with testing. |
| 03:38.39 | concept10 | I need some OT advice |
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| 03:38.59 | woodgrain | Hey gang, my souces.list shows all testing ... but after dist-upgrade ... cat /etc/debian_version shows lenny/sid |
| 03:38.59 | jetscreamer | woodgrain: just hand edit it |
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| 03:39.00 | jetscreamer | lenny is testing |
| 03:39.03 | rellik | since the upgrade, my sound has been acting weird.. I have a playlist in amarok, and when it goes to the next song, it will play it (those dancing bars that show levels work), but there may or may not be any sound. if a song starts, and is silent, the next song may or may not play. or, if I restart the current song, it may or may not play.. any ideas what's going on here? |
| 03:39.05 | jetscreamer | testing is lenny |
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| 03:39.27 | Arafangion | Who is lenny again? |
| 03:39.31 | Magui | Arafangion: I didn't know that about sid, actually. I assumed sid would move to testing, and some new distribution name would become unstable. well, now I know better. |
| 03:39.41 | concept10 | Magui: is this a desktop or server |
| 03:39.50 | Arafangion | Magui: :) |
| 03:40.02 | Magui | concept10: desktop. old one too. from 1997. |
| 03:40.15 | concept10 | Magui: are you male or female? |
| 03:40.15 | Arafangion | Magui: It's /possible/ to move from Sid to testing, but it's very difficult, and requires timing and lots of luck. |
| 03:40.22 | aidan | how hard is it to swap from sarge to edge? |
| 03:40.30 | amphi | Magui: another loller on the trailing edge ;) |
| 03:40.32 | Magui | Arafangion: haha...I don't think I'm ever gonna try that:). |
| 03:40.48 | amphi | Arafangion: heh |
| 03:40.52 | Magui | amphi: lol |
| 03:40.56 | |chiz| | aiden I hope you mean etch |
| 03:40.58 | woodgrain | jetscreamer, I hand edited the thing for testing or stable, and still get bogus Debian_version |
| 03:41.06 | aidan | |chiz|: oops yes. |
| 03:41.16 | aidan | |chiz|: whta's edge? |
| 03:41.38 | |chiz| | aiden: edgy was the previous version of ubuntu |
| 03:41.39 | Magui | amphi: yeah, I realize I'm making myself look bad...first, I have no idea what etch is, then it turns out I'm running it on 10-year-old hardware.... |
| 03:41.43 | concept10 | Magui: If you're a man (or not) grow some balls, put side on that huffer (is that a word?) and ride with the changes :) |
| 03:41.52 | concept10 | s/side/sid |
| 03:41.57 | amphi | Magui: 10 year old hw is good ;) |
| 03:42.01 | ootput | is there a deb package for the ledger command-line tool? |
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| 03:42.19 | ootput | i'm having a tough time trying to coax google to give me hits other than sql-ledger |
| 03:42.21 | troubled | amphi: cept when the hydro bill comes in |
| 03:42.25 | ootput | and other non-related ledgers |
| 03:42.32 | aidan | Failed to fetch http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 203.16.234.86 80] |
| 03:42.32 | Magui | concept10: easy now...I think of this machine as somewhat fragile. I try not to ask too much of it:). |
| 03:42.46 | aidan | how do I fix these errors? that mirror is meant to support amd64 |
| 03:42.49 | aidan | |chiz|: oh |
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| 03:43.31 | concept10 | Magui: my server is a _old_ box. 200mhz cobalt raq2, that old boy does his job too :) |
| 03:43.37 | lontra | ah .. why is it that if i'm running xchat on debian etch that when i type /server irc.freenode.net it says 'Ubuntu Servers' ... |
| 03:43.43 | Magui | anyway, the 1997 machine is my older desktop. I have a 5-year-old desktop that I run windows2000 on. now that's NEW, dammit! |
| 03:43.54 | jetscreamer | woodgrain: i mean hand edit xorg.conf.. and lenny is testing, testing is lenny |
| 03:44.03 | |chiz| | aiden: http://debian.planetmirror.com/debian/dists/sarge/main/ |
| 03:44.11 | amphi | Magui: put sid on that one ;) |
| 03:44.19 | Magui | concept10: yeah, these things really work, if you take care of them. |
| 03:44.23 | concept10 | I want a new machine so bad. Actually two. No, maybe three |
| 03:44.24 | |chiz| | aiden: you should probably find a new mirror |
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| 03:44.50 | aidan | Couldn't stat source package list http://debian.planetmirror.com sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.planetmirror.com_debian_dists_sarge_main_dists_sarge_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 03:45.00 | |chiz| | aiden: that mirror has the etch amd64 binaries |
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| 03:45.09 | aidan | oh |
| 03:45.14 | Magui | amphi: no...after some time, it'll get freebsd. I want to put linux on a newer machine (that I'm hoping to put together by the end of the year, but real life keeps interfering). |
| 03:45.14 | aidan | are there any sarge amd64 mirrors? |
| 03:45.31 | concept10 | I have 6 servers in the closet but only run one, which is the cobalt because its quiet |
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| 03:45.48 | markybob | aidan: try in #debian-amd64 |
| 03:45.59 | woodgrain | dpkg told me to mod my sources.list ... but dist-upgrade still goes to the same old version. |
| 03:46.08 | troubled | concept10: some of those media pc's these days are pretty darn quiet i must admit |
| 03:46.26 | Magui | oh...I didn't explain this...but I'm in the middle of a slow transition off windows to linux. that's why I'm running debian on an old PC. |
| 03:46.35 | troubled | well, compared to my 20 fan bahemoth |
| 03:46.40 | woodgrain | !sid->etch |
| 03:47.06 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 03:47.06 | dpkg | hmm... sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 03:47.10 | concept10 | troubled: anything would be quiet compared to my laptop, the fan sounds like a jet. Reminds me of my military days when I worked on gas turbine engines. |
| 03:47.31 | woodgrain | jetscreamer ... what about lenny->etch |
| 03:47.31 | concept10 | always a whine |
| 03:47.43 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 03:47.43 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 03:47.54 | liable | etch->lenny |
| 03:47.57 | troubled | concept10: you should hear mine. probably 6 fans all togethere i think. more if I put the hard drive cooler on in this case |
| 03:48.07 | jetscreamer | woodgrain: you can try... just change testing or lenny to read etch |
| 03:48.10 | concept10 | my next box is a mac pro quad or bust |
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| 03:48.20 | woodgrain | jetscreamer, what's the best route to start over again? |
| 03:48.26 | woodgrain | with downgraded dist. |
| 03:48.27 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 03:48.27 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 03:48.37 | aidan | jetscreamer: there's no info about it on that page, or that I can see in the PDF? |
| 03:48.50 | jetscreamer | aidan: info about what, i forgot |
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| 03:49.17 | gpm | hi all. i'm on debian sid using their stock nvidia drivers (nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776) with their stock kernel (2.6.18). nvidia shows up in lsmod, but when i try to start X i get (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:49.21 | gpm | if you can offer any clues as to why this is happening and how i can make it stop, i'd be very grateful |
| 03:49.44 | sandman | Well |
| 03:49.53 | sandman | perhaps that's hte glx? |
| 03:49.59 | sandman | I'm probably crazy... |
| 03:50.01 | gpm | what about it? |
| 03:50.06 | sandman | Is glx installed? |
| 03:50.11 | gpm | yessir |
| 03:50.13 | cwheeler | gpm I accidentally upgraded to sid i get the same result |
| 03:50.23 | concept10 | I wonder is debian going to proceed with the proposals to update the main site this year |
| 03:50.23 | sandman | Try building it from source |
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| 03:50.25 | cwheeler | i'm going back to etch |
| 03:50.27 | sandman | Sometimes I get different results |
| 03:50.32 | altf4 | i just compiled a new kernel and ran into a problem. when it boots it tells me mount: cannot read /etc/fstab no such file or directory mount: Mounting /root/dev on dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory. any idea on what i missed? |
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| 03:50.37 | cwheeler | i compiled the driver |
| 03:50.48 | woodgrain | cwheeler ... can one go back? |
| 03:50.54 | gpm | concept10: we can only help |
| 03:50.59 | gpm | sandman: tried that, same result :( |
| 03:51.06 | cwheeler | i'm reinstalling |
| 03:51.26 | gpm | cwheeler: :( |
| 03:51.26 | cwheeler | i should have changed sources.list when etch became stable |
| 03:51.34 | gpm | jetscreamer: excellent |
| 03:51.36 | cwheeler | yeah i'm not in a good mood |
| 03:51.49 | woodgrain | cwheeler reinstalling via what ! dpkg describes or off a disk? |
| 03:51.53 | lontra | can anyone tell me how to delete the home, computer, and trash icons from my gnome desktop? a simple delete doesn't do it :/ |
| 03:52.00 | jetscreamer | the unapproved dirty just works method: get root. kill x. paste this: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && mkdir /usr/src/nvda && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9755/*-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg0.run -anN |
| 03:52.00 | cwheeler | cdrecord isn't here, how can i burn a cdrom from the commant line? |
| 03:52.02 | gpm | concept10: s/help/hope |
| 03:52.20 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: it's called wodim now |
| 03:52.23 | cwheeler | I installed the nvidia driver from nvidia's site, the debian ones have never worked |
| 03:52.31 | cwheeler | thanks jetscreamer |
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| 03:52.36 | sandman | You mean the ones from sid? |
| 03:52.39 | sandman | They always worked for me |
| 03:52.46 | gpm | me too |
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| 03:52.52 | gpm | that's why i'm confused |
| 03:53.05 | jetscreamer | note you need the linux-headers-`uname -r` woodgrain |
| 03:53.07 | gpm | i don't think i've updated anything remotely related |
| 03:53.28 | gpm | maybe xserver-xorg-video-nv? |
| 03:53.29 | ggeecko | any real difference between the new ubuntu and debian 4 |
| 03:53.30 | gpm | iono |
| 03:53.30 | Saizan | are there nvidia drivers for 2.6.20? |
| 03:53.36 | gpm | ggeecko: yes, many |
| 03:53.39 | JunoDewar | if I'll move /etc/cron.daily/find to /etc/cron.weekly will it be enough for it to stop harrassing me or I should change something in some unknown to me conf file? |
| 03:53.40 | Saizan | in sid i mean |
| 03:53.53 | jetscreamer | there was a new xogr-nv module in sid last night |
| 03:53.53 | Arafangion | Saizan: It's not opensource. |
| 03:53.58 | ggeecko | such as |
| 03:54.21 | jetscreamer | Saizan: it doesn't really work like that... the module gets compiled for the current kernel... doesn't matter which kernel. |
| 03:54.24 | gpm | ggeecko: ubuntu ships with tons more installed by default, packages have been altered to work for their vision of a desktop system, comes with gnome 2.18, which isn't even in sid (completely) yet...etc |
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| 03:54.52 | lontra | ggeecko, and naked people ... debian doesn't come with naked people |
| 03:55.00 | gpm | oh yeah |
| 03:55.04 | gpm | the most important part |
| 03:55.05 | lontra | ggeecko, just toy story nerds |
| 03:55.20 | gpm | how many more toys can there be? |
| 03:55.21 | ggeecko | lontra, damn |
| 03:55.30 | Saizan | jetscreamer: with m-a? i see, thanks |
| 03:55.35 | lontra | gpm, check out wikipedia ... there are tons |
| 03:55.38 | gpm | i wish i'd been using debian back during rex days...rex is my favorite character |
| 03:55.39 | lontra | ggeecko, yup |
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| 03:55.53 | gpm | lontra: yeah, but we kinda hit all the big ones right? |
| 03:55.57 | JunoDewar | Shameless repeating: if I'll move /etc/cron.daily/find to /etc/cron.weekly will it be enough for it to stop harrassing me or I should change something in some unknown to me conf file? |
| 03:55.57 | ggeecko | lontra, i new something was missing |
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| 03:56.14 | lontra | ggeecko, so it's more a question of ... do you like nude people or toy story nerds? i think the answer is clear (toy story nerds) |
| 03:56.18 | troubled | gpm: it makes me wonder if when they run out of characters if they decide to make sid the last "stable" before adopting a new naming scheme |
| 03:56.21 | lontra | gpm, oh of course |
| 03:56.28 | lontra | troubled, they won't |
| 03:56.37 | lontra | troubled, look at the wikipedia article on toy story |
| 03:56.44 | gpm | jetscreamer: you think that's it? |
| 03:56.58 | gpm | jetscreamer: the xorg-nv thing? |
| 03:56.59 | gpm | sorry |
| 03:57.04 | gpm | you said that a while ago |
| 03:57.29 | lontra | ggeecko, but honestly there's lot of different reasons to run one over the other. they are both good distros. i prefer debian thus i'm here in #debian if you go to #ubuntu there'll tell you to run ubuntu. try them both and decide |
| 03:57.46 | lontra | ggeecko, in my opinion debian tends to be more stable and faster and more up to date if you run testing or sid |
| 03:57.59 | lontra | ggeecko, stable equals the stable release not testing or sid |
| 03:58.12 | ggeecko | lontra, i prefer debian |
| 03:58.13 | woodgrain | just did shutdown -r now and now ... no keyboard. what do I do???? |
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| 03:58.40 | lontra | ggeecko, good man |
| 03:58.51 | ootput | hi guys, i'm a bit uncertain as to how to add the following repository to sources.list: http://twb.ath.cx/~twb/debian/pool/ |
| 03:59.02 | amphi | !win ggeecko |
| 03:59.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, ggeecko! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:59.10 | ootput | essentially, i'm only after the 256color and ledger and mg packages |
| 03:59.17 | lontra | !lose abrotman |
| 03:59.17 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 03:59.25 | lontra | take that abrotman |
| 03:59.27 | ggeecko | lol |
| 03:59.41 | lontra | !gentoosmite ggeecko |
| 03:59.58 | gpm | troubled: i had that idea too |
| 04:00.03 | gpm | that would be the death of debian i guess |
| 04:00.04 | gpm | :( |
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| 04:00.52 | troubled | gpm: better get on pixar's case to make another toy story asap |
| 04:00.52 | woodgrain | lontra alex is not on now |
| 04:00.52 | ootput | dpkg: but that scrolling text is what defines a man! |
| 04:00.52 | lontra | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.52 | dpkg | ootput: what are you talking about? |
| 04:00.53 | lontra | woodgrain, i know ... but doesn't mean we can't harass him |
| 04:01.06 | lontra | !slap ootput |
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| 04:01.16 | woodgrain | lontra I'm a ... ah gunna tell him you said that. |
| 04:01.19 | lontra | dpkg, thanks |
| 04:01.19 | dpkg | bitte, lontra |
| 04:01.34 | lontra | woodgrain, he he |
| 04:01.39 | troubled | lontra: ok now, easy on the bot spam |
| 04:02.33 | lontra | it's not spamming it's informing |
| 04:02.58 | aidan | !keptback |
| 04:03.19 | lontra | aidan, dist-upgrade? |
| 04:03.25 | lontra | aidan, aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:03.39 | aidan | ah |
| 04:03.44 | gg_hp57 | i configured 'sensors' to monitor my cpu temp. however, my box shutdowns when it reaches 42 deg. cel. ideas? |
| 04:04.18 | |chiz| | gg_hp57: bios setting |
| 04:04.20 | markybob | gg_hp57: that's it? whimpy box :) |
| 04:04.37 | markybob | gg_hp57: you should set new trip points |
| 04:04.42 | ootput | !slap dpkg |
| 04:04.49 | troubled | interesting temp to shutdown at :) |
| 04:05.11 | markybob | gg_hp57: google trip point and /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature for changing them |
| 04:05.15 | gg_hp57 | markybob: its not the bios (set to 70 deg) |
| 04:05.15 | ootput | 42'C is quite low |
| 04:05.38 | ootput | perhaps it's acting up on 420 |
| 04:05.43 | troubled | if it were bios his machine would most likely just stop completly rather than shutdown though |
| 04:06.02 | |chiz| | very true |
| 04:06.03 | sandman | Can anyone help me fix my NIC from acquiring DHCP? |
| 04:06.09 | sandman | I've set it to static, but it keeps grabbing dhcp |
| 04:06.10 | troubled | probably accompanied by a loud pc speaker alarm |
| 04:06.18 | sandman | I used the interfaces file to do it |
| 04:06.18 | amphi | sandman: uninstall dhclient ;) |
| 04:06.28 | ootput | sandman: pastebin network/interfaces |
| 04:06.29 | gg_hp57 | markybob: trip points... |
| 04:06.32 | amphi | sandman: or just kill it for now |
| 04:06.38 | markybob | gg_hp57: yes, trip points |
| 04:06.52 | markybob | gg_hp57: http://www.columbia.edu/~ariel/acpi/acpi_howto.html#trip_points |
| 04:06.53 | sandman | AH |
| 04:06.56 | sandman | dhcpcd must be running~! |
| 04:06.59 | aidan | I made the wrong decision here: *** my.cnf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N], can I go back? |
| 04:07.07 | sandman | That's it! |
| 04:07.10 | amphi | sandman: dhclient, I suspect |
| 04:07.39 | sandman | Of course! |
| 04:07.42 | sandman | I just killed it |
| 04:07.48 | sandman | It was still running from when my interfaces file was set otherwise |
| 04:07.54 | jordanb | I thought the etch installer was supposed to be better than the sarge installer. |
| 04:07.58 | sandman | And yet, that stumped me. |
| 04:08.00 | sandman | jordanb: I think it is. |
| 04:08.05 | jordanb | This thing is just the sarge installer only more clunkier. |
| 04:08.16 | markybob | jordanb: not even close |
| 04:08.17 | sandman | I disagree. |
| 04:08.23 | markybob | jordanb: feel free to troll elsewhere, though |
| 04:08.27 | sandman | I find the installer to be quite functional. But heck, if you don't like it |
| 04:08.27 | jordanb | The only difference is that it switches to framebuffer for linux to boot, then switches back to that shitty ncurses system. |
| 04:08.30 | sandman | There's always slackware |
| 04:08.52 | gg_hp57 | markybob: how can i configure trip point or disable them? |
| 04:08.55 | amphi | jordanb: shitty? ncurses? wtf? |
| 04:09.03 | markybob | gg_hp57: that link i sent you tells you exactly that. please read |
| 04:09.04 | troubled | at least debian doesnt need to be bootstraped like gentoo.... |
| 04:09.13 | gg_hp57 | markybob: k thx |
| 04:09.14 | |chiz| | ncurses is the cats ass |
| 04:09.24 | troubled | i like ncurses :) |
| 04:09.26 | jordanb | Also what the fuck is this 'silo' thing? why won't it install grub? |
| 04:09.30 | liable | and the dogs bollocks |
| 04:09.34 | amphi | |chiz|: does that mean 'good' in your idiom? |
| 04:09.44 | |chiz| | amphi: yes |
| 04:09.56 | ootput | hi guys, i'm a bit uncertain as to how to add the following repository to sources.list: http://twb.ath.cx/~twb/debian/pool/ Essentially i'm only after the 256color and ledger package |
| 04:10.05 | amphi | |chiz|: good-oh - a curious idiom, if you don't mind my saying so |
| 04:10.14 | jordanb | openboot can't even see the freshly installed debian system as anything other than a blank disk, so debian clearly royally fucked it up. |
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| 04:10.54 | troubled | jordanb: you had the sparc system? |
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| 04:10.57 | |chiz| | amphi: haha, I just love that saying |
| 04:11.17 | jordanb | troubled, I'm failing to install etch on a sparc system, because the etch installer seems completly broken. |
| 04:11.22 | ootput | right-oh is less curious |
| 04:11.24 | amphi | |chiz|: to each their own ... ;) |
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| 04:11.50 | aidan | I made the wrong decision here: *** my.cnf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N], can I go back? (doing apt-get upgrade .. how can I get the option up again?) |
| 04:11.52 | troubled | jordanb: pprobably something they missed. sparc != x86 in popularity after all |
| 04:12.07 | troubled | aidan: ctrl-c? |
| 04:12.23 | ootput | aidan: find the tmp source file(s) and copy them elsewhere |
| 04:12.27 | lontra | troubled, that won't prompt that again |
| 04:12.45 | troubled | try reinstall that app perhaps? |
| 04:12.49 | ootput | aidan: i don't think the merges are done until the very end |
| 04:12.57 | ootput | (i could be wrong) |
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| 04:13.17 | maddash | !automount |
| 04:13.18 | dpkg | if you are a gnome user ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, otherwise ask me about <ivman> or <autofs> |
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| 04:14.28 | mefistofeles1 | somebody knows about a RPG compiler on linux? |
| 04:14.57 | troubled | rpg compiler? |
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| 04:15.30 | aidan | I'm doing a dist-upgrade and still getting packages kept-back |
| 04:15.54 | aidan | !kept-back |
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| 04:16.15 | cwheeler | testing isn't guaranteed to work correct? |
| 04:16.33 | liable | even stable is gaurenteed |
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| 04:16.53 | lontra | cwheeler, correct ... though it's quite stable |
| 04:17.09 | troubled | i should hope so, they just forked it |
| 04:17.10 | cwheeler | true even windows isn't guaranteed |
| 04:17.13 | mefistofeles1 | yes troubled, I need one |
| 04:17.16 | lontra | cwheeler, sometimes problems occur but very rarely ... it's probably as stable as an ubuntu release |
| 04:17.21 | aidan | hahaha, windows.. |
| 04:17.26 | troubled | mefistofeles1: no, i was asked wth a rpg compiler was |
| 04:17.35 | cwheeler | bill says it's stable |
| 04:17.42 | lontra | is bill stable? |
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| 04:17.57 | cwheeler | hahaha, well he behaves like an abuser |
| 04:18.00 | mefistofeles1 | it is a compiler |
| 04:18.01 | liable | isnt i meant |
| 04:18.09 | troubled | mefistofeles1: i gathered that.... |
| 04:18.56 | ootput | hi guys, i'm a bit uncertain as to how to add the following repository to sources.list: http://twb.ath.cx/~twb/debian/pool/ Essentially i'm only after the 256color and ledger package |
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| 04:19.13 | aidan | ootput: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:19.23 | mefistofeles1 | where can I get a RPG compiler on linux? somebody, help me |
| 04:19.42 | ootput | aidan: right, have you taken a look at how that repo is structed? |
| 04:19.49 | ootput | aidan: what is the correct entry for either packages |
| 04:19.51 | aidan | ootput: nope |
| 04:20.07 | ootput | *structured |
| 04:21.28 | troubled | ootput: you know, you could always just download those 2 deb's and dpkg -i them both if apt sources.list is kickin your butt that bad.... |
| 04:21.53 | ootput | troubled: i know. but i'd like to learn something in the meantime |
| 04:21.55 | ootput | :) |
| 04:22.07 | troubled | but getting us to spoon feed you? lol |
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| 04:22.43 | ootput | irc is just another medium |
| 04:22.45 | ootput | like a book |
| 04:22.53 | ootput | like a reference manual albeit highly o/t at times |
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| 04:23.11 | amphi | some book |
| 04:23.11 | troubled | give me a book that can do all the work for you and i would be a happy man :) |
| 04:23.22 | troubled | hitchhikers guide perhaps? |
| 04:23.34 | jordanb | Why does debian go into frambuffer just to switch right back to text-only? |
| 04:23.35 | ootput | available at all good book stores |
| 04:23.55 | amphi | jordanb: >80 columns ? |
| 04:23.58 | jordanb | Using a framebuffer to do nothing but display tux during boot. wow. |
| 04:24.01 | troubled | jordanb: are you sure it ever left fb mode? :) |
| 04:24.13 | jordanb | hrmm |
| 04:24.25 | ootput | that's related to your bootloader, afaik |
| 04:24.40 | troubled | fb is a way to access the display, not X for console |
| 04:24.46 | ootput | i didn't know deb installations had fb active by default |
| 04:24.56 | jordanb | Ok then the way debian uses the framebuffer for the install is completly useless. :P |
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| 04:25.15 | Arafangion | Framebuffered boots muck up my driver :( (Damn ATI) |
| 04:25.16 | troubled | jordanb: beast 80x25 |
| 04:25.19 | ootput | for gui-mode, it's a must |
| 04:25.22 | troubled | beats* |
| 04:25.31 | jordanb | Also it doesn't let me choose anything other than a 'pc' keyboard map. |
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| 04:26.55 | troubled | !comfort jordanb |
| 04:26.55 | dpkg | There, there, jordanb. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 04:31.04 | troubled | wow, got quiet fast. must be pr0n o'clock in the morning ;) |
| 04:32.04 | troubled | bet i loose a few karma point for that one heh |
| 04:32.17 | ootput | yeah, you'd be in the negative right about now |
| 04:32.25 | ootput | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3437455.stm |
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| 04:33.30 | daeos | how can i tell what drivers are used for a specific piece of hardware such as a usb wireless adapter? |
| 04:33.51 | troubled | thats gotta be some mess |
| 04:33.57 | markybob | daeos: you google the chipset |
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| 04:35.42 | daeos | markybob: google will not tell me what driver im using right now |
| 04:35.43 | ootput | daeos: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 04:35.43 | ootput | oh, he wants to know which module is governing currently installed devices |
| 04:35.43 | ootput | that might be tricky |
| 04:35.43 | markybob | daeos: lsmod should be pretty obvious |
| 04:35.43 | ootput | dig around /proc |
| 04:35.44 | ootput | and irqs |
| 04:35.55 | daeos | markybob: i dont use lsmod alot so i had no clue, as why im asking |
| 04:36.49 | troubled | ootput: i would sooner be pooped on by a bird than get hit with that mess lol |
| 04:36.58 | troubled | i feel sorry for the bystanders |
| 04:37.03 | ootput | lol yeah |
| 04:37.08 | ootput | the street is pretty vacant |
| 04:37.28 | ootput | i bet most of the bystanders were admitted into hospital for shock |
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| 04:38.04 | troubled | and a long bath |
| 04:38.05 | ootput | 'oh no, terrorism!' |
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| 04:38.28 | troubled | 50 ton's, omg thats big |
| 04:38.43 | troubled | suckers a mini cruise missle |
| 04:38.43 | ootput | that whole bomb-in-car thing has been superceded by bomb-in-whale |
| 04:39.24 | troubled | you seen the clip for that police movie with the beached whale? |
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| 04:39.31 | troubled | can't think of the name off hand |
| 04:40.07 | ootput | i don't know the name of the clip |
| 04:40.16 | ootput | i know that they planted some explosives in it, though :) |
| 04:40.22 | troubled | you able to view .mov clips? |
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| 04:40.30 | ootput | yeah |
| 04:40.39 | Gmoliv | ok |
| 04:40.56 | Gmoliv | all the packages i want to install are not compatible to amd64 architeture |
| 04:41.07 | Gmoliv | should i give up and compile a generic x86 kernel? |
| 04:41.14 | kramed | can the basic system be installed from xfce cd 1 or is the net install recommended? |
| 04:41.38 | ootput | http://theexplodingwhale.com/more-whales/20050914-south-africa/ |
| 04:42.31 | ootput | kramed: i think the cd includes the core components |
| 04:42.31 | Gmoliv | ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the |
| 04:42.31 | Gmoliv | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.31 | aidan | can someone tell me how the hell I go from sarge to etch? |
| 04:42.54 | troubled | ootput: possibly http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=1507180&sdm=web&qtw=640&qth=400 |
| 04:43.02 | troubled | reno 911 is the movie i think |
| 04:43.02 | aidan | Gmoliv: no, the adobe flash player doesn't work with anything |
| 04:43.05 | kramed | ootput, I just dont want it to ask for cd 2 when I dont have it |
| 04:43.14 | ootput | sed 's/sarge/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.lst |
| 04:43.25 | Gmoliv | aidan, update your sources.conf, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:43.28 | vn | aidan: change your sources.list |
| 04:43.36 | ootput | aidan: my previous remark |
| 04:43.38 | vn | aidan: theres something about it on the official website |
| 04:43.40 | sword | !tell adian -about sarge->etch |
| 04:43.45 | Gmoliv | aidan, libflash-mozplugin? |
| 04:43.52 | aidan | !tell aidan -about sarge->etch |
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| 04:44.14 | aidan | It says read the release notes ... there's nothing in there |
| 04:44.15 | comsa | aidan im on dialup ordered the dvds from elx.org |
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| 04:44.36 | vn | dialup still exists? jeez |
| 04:44.45 | ootput | troubled: yeah |
| 04:44.46 | liable | !tell aidan about selftell |
| 04:44.56 | comsa | :( |
| 04:44.58 | vn | its been like 12 years I'm on highspeed |
| 04:45.10 | Gmoliv | ok, i've just installed debian from net-install |
| 04:45.16 | Gmoliv | only the base system |
| 04:45.26 | Gmoliv | now i got gnome + beryl + nvidia driver |
| 04:45.49 | Gmoliv | can someone send me the address of a guide or something like that to setup flash, video codecs ... ? |
| 04:46.13 | daeos | markybob: lsmod wasn't very helpful in finding out what driver my wlan0 device is using |
| 04:46.40 | markybob | daeos: just tell us what your usb stick is and we'll tell you the module that uses it |
| 04:47.38 | amphi | daeos: what card is it? |
| 04:47.38 | jordanb | What kind of half-assed installer doesn't have fdisk installed? |
| 04:47.41 | liable | daeos: it should |
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| 04:47.44 | liable | be |
| 04:47.59 | liable | just see what modules are associated with wlan |
| 04:48.16 | daeos | well, im using a Netgear WG111 |
| 04:48.44 | amphi | no idea what module that uses |
| 04:48.51 | daeos | shows up as a GlobespanVirata Cohiba 3887 rev0 on usb devices |
| 04:49.01 | markybob | prism54, probably |
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| 04:49.51 | daeos | i was thinking it would be, but wasn't sure |
| 04:49.56 | markybob | or ndiswrapper. :) |
| 04:50.05 | markybob | post your lsmod if you want more help |
| 04:50.20 | markybob | s/post/paste |
| 04:50.37 | Madd_Matt | you could post it but it might take a few days |
| 04:50.52 | daeos | the thing is, prism cards are ethX not wlan0 |
| 04:51.00 | daeos | and im not using ndiswarpper |
| 04:51.06 | markybob | paste it, then. |
| 04:51.13 | daeos | ndiswrapper* |
| 04:51.15 | amphi | 'ndiswarpper', heh |
| 04:51.35 | daeos | !fish amphi |
| 04:52.07 | amphi | !penixtrike daeos |
| 04:52.14 | daeos | ? |
| 04:52.18 | amphi | !penixstrike daeos |
| 04:52.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking daeos to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:52.25 | daeos | lol |
| 04:52.30 | daeos | oh man that was great |
| 04:52.55 | sussudio | %doe daeos |
| 04:53.18 | amphi | one typo deserves another - yours was better |
| 04:54.08 | daeos | markybob: i'll use pastebin |
| 04:54.19 | troubled | su su sussudio! |
| 04:54.37 | amphi | !sing sussudio |
| 04:54.38 | daeos | .... i was thinking that |
| 04:54.52 | daeos | damn phil collins |
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| 04:56.35 | pebblestone | hi, could anybody tell me what's the difference of ssh'x trusted X11 forwarding and untrusted X11 forwarding? |
| 04:57.08 | troubled | hmmm, tiger-direct-domains.com went south |
| 04:57.22 | daeos | http://paste.uni.cc/14740 |
| 04:57.25 | troubled | i guess 6 ns's dont mean much these days |
| 04:58.01 | markybob | daeos: so...you didnt see ndiswrapper listed on there, or what? |
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| 04:58.59 | daeos | markybob: i don't see ndiswrapper listed next to wlan0 or am i looking for the wrong description |
| 04:59.35 | markybob | daeos: ...anyway, you're using ndiswrapper with your usb stick. was that your only question? |
| 04:59.54 | daeos | well then i need to remove ndiswrapper |
| 05:00.12 | daeos | and use aphost or prism |
| 05:00.12 | daeos | how could i change that |
| 05:00.13 | daeos | or even madwifi |
| 05:00.19 | markybob | you want to break something that's currently working for you? |
| 05:00.33 | daeos | its not working for me |
| 05:00.49 | daeos | 1. it works as a wireless device yes |
| 05:01.02 | daeos | 2. it does not work with a program (kismet) when using nsdiswrapper |
| 05:01.16 | daeos | and im trying to stop it from using nsdiswrapper |
| 05:01.26 | gg_hp57 | markybob: i tried this for trip points but says no file or directory |
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| 05:02.00 | gg_hp57 | markybob: echo 70:0:0:0:0 > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/*/trip_points |
| 05:02.27 | markybob | gg_hp57: it's /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points |
| 05:03.23 | scead | hi guys... I just updated my lenny system and it appears that my nvidia drivers aren't there anymore. Yet, the package is still installed. Has anyone else had this trouble? |
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| 05:03.45 | daeos | markybob: thanks for your help. |
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| 05:04.17 | gg_hp57 | markybob: same error. (no file/dir) | |
| 05:04.24 | markybob | uname -r |
| 05:04.42 | gg_hp57 | markybob: did a ls and acpi is not in /proc |
| 05:05.12 | markybob | gg_hp57: acpid installed? |
| 05:05.41 | gg_hp57 | markybob: pretty sure, did yesterday |
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| 05:06.25 | gg_hp57 | markybob: i had to boot into 'acpi=off' so my sys won't shutdown |
| 05:06.37 | markybob | gg_hp57: well, duh, then |
| 05:07.01 | markybob | gg_hp57: boot without doing that so you can set the trip points properly. |
| 05:07.44 | markybob | gg_hp57: btw...those trip points are pretty bad. you might wanna try something like this instead echo -n "98:97:96:53:45" > /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points/trip_points |
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| 05:09.49 | aidan | so far no problems ... this is pretty cool |
| 05:10.22 | aidan | I didn't release aptitude was a command line tool also |
| 05:12.34 | gg_hp57 | markybob: @ those the sys will shutdown at 98'c? |
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| 05:13.59 | aidan | realise* |
| 05:14.04 | markybob | gg_hp57: tries to suspend to disk if possible |
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| 05:15.23 | gg_hp57 | marybob: but 70:0:0:0:0 will define to shutdown @ 70'c right? |
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| 05:15.35 | [Nige] | I fixed my samba problems, turns out vista uses port 445 for smb as well as 137-139, my box was blocking 445 :) |
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| 05:16.14 | markybob | gg_hp57: yes. but you wont have things set like moving from passive cooling to active |
| 05:16.22 | troubled | vista eh? must be a treat heh </sarcasm> |
| 05:16.23 | s | Anyone know why GNOME NetworkManager Applet tells me I've no network connection |
| 05:16.27 | s | When yet, I'm using the internet right now? |
| 05:16.30 | markybob | gg_hp57: so that's probably not what you want |
| 05:17.16 | gg_hp57 | marybob: i have 2 fans not managed by bios & which i want to run @ full rpm |
| 05:17.30 | troubled | [Nige]: curious though, i thought 445 has been default smb port since like XP |
| 05:17.51 | gg_hp57 | marybob: so that does not apply right? |
| 05:18.03 | jetscreamer | isn't .. no that's 443 nm |
| 05:18.13 | jetscreamer | ssl is 443 right? |
| 05:18.15 | troubled | ssl? |
| 05:18.19 | [Nige] | I thought so too |
| 05:18.22 | troubled | pretty sure its ssl |
| 05:18.35 | [Nige] | but apprently xp and 2000 can happily use 137-139 without a worry |
| 05:18.40 | markybob | gg_hp57: i guess. give it a shot. *shrug* |
| 05:18.42 | [Nige] | vista on the other hand drops the buckets |
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| 05:18.52 | troubled | think 137-139 is netbios |
| 05:19.08 | [Nige] | yep, but if you disable it, samba dont work :)\ |
| 05:19.41 | troubled | for name resolution isnt it? |
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| 05:20.18 | gg_hp57 | marybob: thx. seems to work. its not shutting down when i boot into x |
| 05:20.36 | [Nige] | anyone able to shed some light on private and public key problems I am having? |
| 05:20.38 | troubled | well, shows how often i use samba these days heh |
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| 05:20.46 | markybob | gg_hp57: good. np |
| 05:21.01 | [Nige] | troubled, what do you use if not samba :) |
| 05:21.18 | troubled | ssh/ftp/scp/http |
| 05:21.24 | [Nige] | ahhh cool |
| 05:21.33 | [Nige] | do you use public / private keys? |
| 05:21.59 | troubled | not often, but if your asking for gpg help i may be able to point in right direction |
| 05:22.14 | [Nige] | ahh |
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| 05:22.23 | [Nige] | well i dont think its a gpg question |
| 05:22.32 | [Nige] | its ssh+putty |
| 05:22.33 | troubled | whats your question then |
| 05:22.37 | [Nige] | lol okay |
| 05:22.42 | [Nige] | I use ssh and private and public keys |
| 05:23.07 | [Nige] | I used putty gen to create the keys, I uploaded the private to the host, and can connect through putty on my host pc |
| 05:23.24 | [Nige] | but when I use the same key on alinux box it tells me the key is no good |
| 05:23.35 | [Nige] | its the same key that works on 1 pc but not the other |
| 05:23.53 | troubled | pretty sure putty has a slightly altered syntax for some reason |
| 05:24.01 | [Nige] | fair enough, |
| 05:24.16 | [Nige] | it keeps asking for passphrase on the key which doesnt have one, (I know bad idea) |
| 05:24.43 | troubled | run a ssh-keygen on the linux box and compare the syntax |
| 05:24.59 | troubled | iirc its pretty obvious what you need to edit |
| 05:25.00 | \amethyst | I just use one key for putty and another for openssh |
| 05:25.24 | gg_hp57 | marybob: i shut down again |
| 05:25.37 | [Nige] | so I can have 2 keys for the same user |
| 05:25.38 | [Nige] | ? |
| 05:25.58 | [Nige] | I just need to update the authorised keys then? |
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| 05:26.09 | troubled | [Nige]: yup |
| 05:26.15 | \amethyst | [Nige]: yeah, you can have as many pubkeys in authorized as you'd like |
| 05:26.15 | [Nige] | see thats a good idea |
| 05:26.19 | [Nige] | hmm |
| 05:26.21 | [Nige] | okay |
| 05:26.22 | [Nige] | i might try taht |
| 05:26.23 | aidan | I have a basic mirroring software RAID via mdadm. md0 => /boot and md2 => / ... I'm guessing both of these are "needed for the root filesystem?" |
| 05:26.23 | [Nige] | :) |
| 05:26.25 | \amethyst | and, in fact, as many private keys on a single system as you'd like |
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| 05:26.30 | gg_hp57 | markybob: it shutdown again |
| 05:26.35 | [Nige] | cool :) |
| 05:26.38 | [Nige] | thanks for the help |
| 05:26.44 | \amethyst | [Nige]: as for the empty passphrase |
| 05:26.47 | markybob | gg_hp57: at what temp? boot it back and see what it's at |
| 05:26.53 | troubled | again, i think putty's pub key differs at the begining or something simple. been a while though or else i would givey ou details, sry |
| 05:27.03 | \amethyst | [Nige]: I'm guessing that's because you don't like having to type the password over and over? |
| 05:27.05 | [Nige] | thanks troubled |
| 05:27.19 | [Nige] | oh \amethyst yer and its an internal box :) |
| 05:27.33 | \amethyst | [Nige]: Use ssh-agent and ssh-add |
| 05:27.34 | [Nige] | i changed to public keys after too many brute force attempts :) |
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| 05:27.45 | gg_hp57 | markybob: now @ 42 |
| 05:27.45 | \amethyst | [Nige]: then you just have to type the passphrase once per session |
| 05:27.45 | [Nige] | yep, I found i had to run that everytime at login |
| 05:27.49 | [Nige] | it got really annoying |
| 05:28.04 | [Nige] | well ssh-add I had to do that in every terminal :S |
| 05:28.09 | [Nige] | bbs |
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| 05:28.16 | markybob | gg_hp57: i dont know, then. sorry |
| 05:28.30 | \amethyst | [Nige]: You can set up gdm (etc.) to run your entire X session in an ssh-agent |
| 05:28.40 | \amethyst | so then you just need to type the passphrase once when you log in |
| 05:28.55 | troubled | werent there issues with ssh-agent? |
| 05:29.16 | troubled | ie: one comprimised machine = full access to all hosts or something similar? |
| 05:29.44 | gg_hp57 | markybob: how can i access the shutdown log @ last shutdown? |
| 05:29.48 | \amethyst | troubled: That's an even worse problem with unencrypted private keys |
| 05:29.58 | markybob | gg_hp57: cat your syslog |
| 05:30.15 | troubled | for sure. im not saying empty passphrase is a good idea by any means though |
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| 05:31.23 | troubled | but if he keeps the sec key secure im sure he will be fine with a blank pass |
| 05:31.23 | gg_hp57 | markybob: found a problem i think' |
| 05:31.51 | gg_hp57 | markybob: critical temp. reached (112'C) |
| 05:31.54 | troubled | besides, to get the key would require to comprimise his host in which case password wouldnt make a diff with a keystroke logger |
| 05:32.09 | markybob | gg_hp57: i thought you said 40 something? |
| 05:32.27 | gg_hp57 | markybob: and another line says 37'C |
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| 05:33.00 | gg_hp57 | markybob: i set it to 70:0:0:0:0 |
| 05:33.23 | markybob | gg_hp57: use 98:97:96:53:45 and see what happens |
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| 05:34.13 | pdf | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=61670&highlight=Securing+Linux |
| 05:34.20 | pdf | I landed right on the money with this question I had |
| 05:34.36 | pdf | ;' HOWTO: securing debian '; |
| 05:34.37 | pdf | hehe |
| 05:34.39 | gg_hp57 | markybob: it seems i have a 3rd temp sensor. | i see m/b temp, cpu temp, and "Temp3" when i do sensors |
| 05:35.28 | troubled | gg_hp57: hd's have temp's too these days |
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| 05:35.54 | troubled | unless its a chipset temp or something |
| 05:36.10 | gg_hp57 | it reads 127'C |
| 05:36.40 | troubled | for some reason i dont think lm sensors grab hd temps though. think thats a seperate interface, but i may be wrong |
| 05:37.07 | \amethyst | troubled: Having a password on your key lessens the impact of an information-disclosure explot. Exploiting an agent, or capturing a passphrase, is going to be nearly impossible without a remote execution exploit |
| 05:38.18 | ivx | hey is there a way to do a internet speed test from teminal? |
| 05:38.19 | \amethyst | troubled: e.g. suppose tomorrow someone finds a security bug in Firefox that lets Javascript upload an arbitrary file (that the user can access, of course) to the remote server |
| 05:38.19 | troubled | \amethyst: having a password really only helps if someone has read access to your sec key like root |
| 05:38.29 | troubled | or that :) |
| 05:38.49 | \amethyst | it wouldn't be the first time |
| 05:39.03 | troubled | actually, mozilla just had one of those the other month |
| 05:39.30 | troubled | worked in windows on me for c:\boot.ini at least |
| 05:39.35 | [Nige] | I have removed sudo from the box as well :) |
| 05:39.49 | [Nige] | and as a std user, I dont know there would too much damage a bad key could do |
| 05:40.26 | troubled | a comprimised key = shell. and shell = root eventually if the attacker is resourceful |
| 05:40.36 | [Nige] | I know :) |
| 05:40.52 | cwheeler | a cracker on another net told me he loves ssh keys without passwords |
| 05:41.04 | troubled | who doesnt heh |
| 05:41.19 | [Nige] | they are usefull thought :) |
| 05:41.23 | [Nige] | useful though * |
| 05:41.35 | \amethyst | They're not really that useful |
| 05:41.47 | scead | I just updated my lenny system and it appears that my nvidia drivers aren't there anymore. Yet, the package is still installed. Has anyone else had this trouble? |
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| 05:42.15 | \amethyst | I type my passphrase once a day at most, and once a week when I'm at home |
| 05:42.15 | cwheeler | depends on how many other systems you can compromise with them |
| 05:42.33 | cwheeler | right use ssh-agent |
| 05:42.42 | cwheeler | debian came with it set up |
| 05:42.45 | [Nige] | i might look into ssh-agent :) |
| 05:43.13 | troubled | that or buy a smart card reader if your really paranoid and lazy :) |
| 05:43.36 | [Nige] | lol, biometrics :) although you have watch your fingers :) |
| 05:43.53 | \amethyst | fingers have been copied successfully |
| 05:43.56 | cwheeler | watch for people snipping them off |
| 05:44.05 | \amethyst | though presumably the machines have been improved since then |
| 05:44.18 | cwheeler | the less expensive fingerprint things can be fooled |
| 05:44.22 | troubled | finger prints can be easy to attain. especially if you have a record. and your eye doctor has your retena's. and bell have your voice sample :) |
| 05:44.33 | [Nige] | yer, I have heard soo, all you need is a 9 volt battery |
| 05:44.35 | troubled | you cant stop someone with more resources than you |
| 05:44.36 | cwheeler | the expensive ones check for a pulse |
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| 05:45.01 | cwheeler | how do you get fingerprints if you aren't a law enforcement agency? |
| 05:45.07 | \amethyst | cwheeler: latent |
| 05:45.08 | troubled | cwheeler: an extra step thats all :) |
| 05:45.13 | cwheeler | far as i know they aren't public record |
| 05:45.34 | troubled | cwheeler: pay someone in law or take a trip to the bar with your suspect :) |
| 05:45.37 | Demokrit | cwheeler: wanna have adrink ? :-) |
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| 05:45.56 | troubled | there is no security these days really |
| 05:46.08 | cwheeler | yeah there are ways i'm sure |
| 05:46.09 | troubled | especially with the van eck on LCD's |
| 05:46.20 | markw | troubled: which is why we should all be packing. :) |
| 05:46.25 | troubled | heh |
| 05:46.30 | cwheeler | i meant fingerprint records not latent prints |
| 05:46.41 | \amethyst | Only in hrefs, only in <a hrefs>, ...? |
| 05:46.43 | \amethyst | doh |
| 05:46.53 | cwheeler | well markw the fbi and law enforcement have my prints so i could get a license to pack |
| 05:46.53 | Demokrit | In dselect, I somehow managed to have over 600 packages to be REMOVED. Is there a way to say "select all installed packages" or something? |
| 05:47.10 | markw | cwheeler: I' |
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| 05:47.15 | markw | m seriously thinking about it. |
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| 05:47.26 | cwheeler | where you live markw? |
| 05:47.30 | markw | socal. |
| 05:48.00 | cwheeler | the prk doesn't issue permits in the big city |
| 05:48.12 | troubled | actually, i was thinking earlier about how sad encryption is. when you encrypt say a 100gb file and try descrpyt it, a bad password with gpg is known instantly since it seems only the begining of the data is checked for validity (or some special value). this would make encryption easy i would think since you can just cycle through combinations of this value until you match it |
| 05:48.24 | cwheeler | unless you contribute to thier campaign or you're a movie star or something |
| 05:48.35 | markw | cwheeler: ironically the big city is where you need it the most. |
| 05:48.41 | [Nige] | okay |
| 05:48.51 | cwheeler | ironic isn't it? |
| 05:48.52 | [Nige] | just created an keypair using ssh-keygen |
| 05:48.55 | troubled | true encryption should never know when it gets the pass/key wrong. it should simply decrypt according to the pass and output garbage on incorrect pass |
| 05:49.04 | [Nige] | gotta figure out how to et putty and this key to work now |
| 05:49.08 | markw | cwheeler: local highschool shooting was stopped by off duty cops who were carrying. |
| 05:49.15 | markw | anyway... |
| 05:49.23 | [Nige] | i should beable to use the same key from 2 completely pcs right? |
| 05:49.41 | cwheeler | no state has ever repealed a concealed carry law |
| 05:49.42 | troubled | [Nige]: yes |
| 05:50.05 | cwheeler | texas and florida saw about 30% reduction in violent crime after passing concealed carry laws |
| 05:50.10 | [Nige] | the public key stays with me, private goes to the host correct? |
| 05:50.20 | troubled | yes |
| 05:50.24 | markw | cwheeler: it's funny in florida, if you have out of state plates, or a rental car, you're more likely to be the victim as they know you probably aren't carrying. :) |
| 05:50.28 | troubled | err vice |
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| 05:50.46 | cwheeler | I have a florida permit :) |
| 05:50.51 | markw | cwheeler: cool. |
| 05:50.52 | cwheeler | surprise! |
| 05:50.59 | cwheeler | and i don't live there |
| 05:51.02 | markw | I don't think I can get anything out here in socal. |
| 05:51.08 | cwheeler | ironically you can get a florida permit |
| 05:51.13 | troubled | [Nige]: sorry hehe. you create the key in putty and upload the pub key to the host to log into |
| 05:51.22 | cwheeler | but it's not good in the prk of course |
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| 05:51.28 | troubled | brain farts :) |
| 05:52.09 | [Nige] | troubled, i used ssh-keygen this time :) |
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| 05:52.37 | aidan | libdns16 is marked as obsolete in aptitude, is it safe to remove? |
| 05:52.57 | aidan | is it safe to remove all of these packages? |
| 05:53.02 | [Nige] | now I have confused myself. I use the private key to logon, which means the host get the public key - is that correct |
| 05:53.05 | troubled | [Nige]: well, which ever setup you use, the private key stays on the machine your connecting with, the pub goes to the machine you want to connect to (think, pub = safe to give out, to. ie: host you want IN to) |
| 05:53.21 | [Nige] | thats what I though |
| 05:54.03 | markw | cwheeler: back home (iowa) lots of people are armed to the hilt, lots of unregistered old school guns there too. |
| 05:54.06 | troubled | [Nige]: the host that has the pub key sends a crypted message scrambled with your pub key that only your sec key (ie: your machine) can decrypt |
| 05:54.34 | [Nige] | okay, |
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| 05:55.07 | cwheeler | my kinda place markw |
| 05:55.09 | troubled | Coldplay - Clocks :) |
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| 05:56.38 | scead | hello, I'm having a whole lot of trouble with nvidia and X.org after my last dist-upgrade i performed this morning. It is telling me that the nvidia module does not exist, but i know it exists. I even did m-a a-i nvidia to try to reinstall it |
| 05:57.31 | cwheeler | you running testing scead / |
| 05:57.33 | cwheeler | ? |
| 05:57.51 | scead | no, unstable |
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| 05:58.08 | cwheeler | i was running testing and same thing happened to me, i'm going back to stable |
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| 05:58.19 | jordanb | Why the FUCK is there no fdisk in the install CD!?!?!? |
| 05:58.22 | scead | oh really |
| 05:58.38 | cwheeler | last upgrade broke the nvidia driver as you describe |
| 05:58.49 | scead | has anyone else been having trouble with the nvidia driver? |
| 05:59.14 | cwheeler | someone else here earlier had the same problem, i forget who |
| 05:59.55 | [Nige] | stupid question, if I want to echo the contents of 1 file into another should I just use cat? |
| 06:00.09 | troubled | jordanb: perhaps cfdisk? |
| 06:00.34 | jordanb | The only thing here is parted. |
| 06:00.37 | cwheeler | [Nige] yes that'll work |
| 06:00.47 | [Nige] | cheers |
| 06:01.05 | troubled | jordanb: real hackers make partitions with vi! :) |
| 06:01.08 | simonrvn | there's a mac-fdisk, there shold be one.. try cfdisk |
| 06:01.13 | simonrvn | should* |
| 06:01.18 | aidan | "The system is going down for reboot NOW!rer.com.au (pts/0) (Sat Apr 21 15:10:" what's the broken information at the end of that line mean and how do I fix it? |
| 06:01.21 | troubled | simonrvn... |
| 06:01.37 | dutchfish | Nigel, or delve into awk |
| 06:01.39 | simonrvn | my question is why there isn't any cyrus-imap 2.3.8 in debian? |
| 06:01.47 | [Nige] | I will try cat first :) |
| 06:02.05 | simonrvn | aidan: that looks like your prompt... |
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| 06:02.19 | simonrvn | and part of your motd or issue... |
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| 06:02.41 | dutchfish | Nigel, something like cat [file] | grep [expression] > file |
| 06:02.53 | Vasistha | useless use of cat |
| 06:02.57 | simonrvn | troubled: what's your fucking rpoblem today? :P |
| 06:03.09 | troubled | Vasistha good call |
| 06:03.15 | troubled | simonrvn :p |
| 06:03.18 | simonrvn | !uuoc |
| 06:03.18 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 06:03.33 | troubled | simonrvn: that time of the month huh ? :) |
| 06:03.53 | simonrvn | no, i just spent a week fixing some REALLY FUBAR stuff |
| 06:04.07 | simonrvn | and here we go again... |
| 06:04.11 | dutchfish | !fgrep |
| 06:04.11 | dpkg | i guess grep is at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print |
| 06:04.33 | troubled | simonrvn: software or hardware? |
| 06:04.49 | simonrvn | bit of both |
| 06:04.54 | troubled | eww |
| 06:04.55 | Vasistha | so that's how grep got its name! :D |
| 06:04.59 | troubled | !comfort simonrvn |
| 06:04.59 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:05.15 | [Nige] | cheers |
| 06:06.26 | scead | aragh |
| 06:06.29 | Vasistha | btw, cat file | grep pattern >file *will* *not* *work* -- it will overwrite your file with *nothing* ;-) |
| 06:06.30 | scead | work you stupid nvidia |
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| 06:06.36 | jordanb | cmon |
| 06:06.43 | Vasistha | better use two differently-named files |
| 06:06.44 | Kronuz | hello |
| 06:06.46 | Tallu | Hey umm, what module do I need enabled to be able to use iptables -m state --state related,established? I think I already have conntrack built in |
| 06:06.48 | jordanb | The debian documentation says I need to use fdisk to fix this problem. |
| 06:06.54 | jordanb | And the debian installer doesn't have fdisk. |
| 06:06.56 | jordanb | What the hell? |
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| 06:07.17 | [Nige] | hmm... i have to update the .authorized_keys file to get my key pair working correct? |
| 06:07.22 | Kronuz | hey, about keyboard layouts... (I think that's how they're called) |
| 06:07.28 | Zoo | if anyone would like to help me with the configuration of XGL + Beryl or even XGL + Compiz even though I like Beryl, compiz is oki.. on debian etch |
| 06:07.34 | Kronuz | are those to change the keyboard language, for instance? |
| 06:07.44 | Zoo | I"ll send ya some money via pay pal , like $10 or $20 |
| 06:07.45 | troubled | simonrvn: sorry, dont have a shell handy or I would myself. and god knows windows has nothing built in to do it |
| 06:07.45 | \amethyst | [Nige]: yes, you append the pubkey to it |
| 06:07.47 | Kronuz | (like the windows' keyboard language bar in the taskbar) |
| 06:07.48 | Vasistha | Kronuz: if you're referring to kde's, yes. |
| 06:07.59 | Kronuz | Vasistha: I was referring to gnome |
| 06:08.01 | Zoo | offer has been posted. in #beryl , #compiz, #xgl, |
| 06:08.08 | Vasistha | Kronuz: probably the same, I just don't know first-hand |
| 06:08.16 | [Nige] | okay |
| 06:08.21 | [Nige] | i have totally screwed this ups |
| 06:08.22 | [Nige] | bbs |
| 06:08.22 | Kronuz | I'm confused about how they work... |
| 06:08.53 | Zoo | and I already configured AIGLX<so plz, I don't want to hear.. why not AIGLX like I have heard a hundred times... XGL is a complete different xserver than just x.org |
| 06:08.56 | dutchfish | Vasistha, cat test.txt | grep noted > sel.txt (works fine for me) |
| 06:09.08 | Zoo | thanks =) |
| 06:09.19 | troubled | dutchfish..... |
| 06:09.29 | troubled | didnt we just go over this? :) |
| 06:09.30 | pdf | Zoo; if anyone takes your money, tell me so i can make fun of them, then have them banned from freenode :x |
| 06:09.44 | Vasistha | dutchfish: oh, yeah, that'll work great -- just so long as you don't cat test.txt | grep something >test.txt ;-) Or, hopefully, rather, grep something test.txt >output.txt |
| 06:09.45 | Zoo | nope :) |
| 06:09.50 | \amethyst | Kronuz: Gnome has a keyboard indicator panel applet |
| 06:10.00 | Zoo | I'm doing this regardless, like all the other projects I have completed myself, or set out to do |
| 06:10.04 | dutchfish | Vasistha, yes of coarse |
| 06:10.04 | Kronuz | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.07 | Zoo | I do not just work with debian |
| 06:10.20 | Vasistha | Kronuz: gnome might be a better place to ask; I know that kde's keyboard layout applet is a little flag and two-letter country code that sits in the taskbar; you click it and it changes the layout and shows the new flag, and then you can type in a different language. It's cool! |
| 06:11.02 | troubled | dd if=test.txt | cat - | grep foo - > dd of=test.txt! :) |
| 06:11.03 | Zoo | and you see, its all about sharing information... so I think its just a matter of what all I need to get it configured and up and running, I know my hardware is capable of it... especially XGL + Compiz, I seen that for myself on Mandriva 2007 PowerPack, that I have, and I made copies of packages just in case I need to try and menipulate the debian system |
| 06:11.06 | Vasistha | Tallu: if you don't get an answer here, you can try in #iptables ... you might not get an answer right away, but just leave the client open, someone might answer in an hour or so |
| 06:11.20 | dutchfish | troubled, right |
| 06:11.24 | troubled | :p |
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| 06:11.36 | Zoo | pdf, would you like to help? |
| 06:11.37 | Vasistha | troubled: heh, you don't want to >dd |
| 06:11.38 | troubled | ooops, > should be another pipe :) |
| 06:11.52 | Zoo | I been working my tail off m8 :( |
| 06:11.53 | FirstLite | /leave #debian |
| 06:11.58 | Zoo | -_- |
| 06:12.03 | Tallu | Vasistha: cheers, will do |
| 06:12.06 | dutchfish | troubled, 1 point there |
| 06:12.09 | troubled | :) |
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| 06:12.21 | Zoo | well okay, I'm going to be studying :) |
| 06:12.33 | troubled | Zoo: tail -f /dev/tail? > m8? |
| 06:12.44 | Zoo | I'm checking into this.. http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?rdpage=thumb&car_id=220204937&dealer_id=59875661&car_year=1993&model=RX7&num_records=25&make2=&start_year=1981&keywordsfyc=&keywordsrep=&engine=&certified=&body_code=0&fuel=&search_type=both&distance=100&make=MAZDA&color=&min_price=&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=61602&advanced=&end_year=2008&doors=&transmission=&max_pri |
| 06:12.44 | Zoo | ce=&cardist=100 |
| 06:12.48 | troubled | tail -f /dev/tail | grep work > m8? |
| 06:12.49 | Zoo | my bad on that.. :S |
| 06:12.55 | Gmoliv | how can i make beryl my default window manager? |
| 06:13.03 | Zoo | its an Rx7 |
| 06:13.06 | Zoo | ^_^ |
| 06:13.08 | kerouac | debating whether to compile and install the new BIND, or just use apt to install the debian version |
| 06:13.12 | Zoo | will do troubled |
| 06:13.34 | simonrvn | kerouac: only if you're going to be adding stuff to it, otherwise don't bother |
| 06:13.35 | Vasistha | Zoo: wow, that's a long link that has nothing to do with debian! :D don't let your tank get below 1/2 empty ;-) |
| 06:13.39 | simonrvn | i.e. patching it |
| 06:13.49 | Zoo | it doesn't do anything troubled |
| 06:13.57 | dutchfish | troubled, nah you dont want to reinvent syslogng |
| 06:13.59 | Zoo | :) |
| 06:14.09 | troubled | Zoo: lol, it wasnt supposed unless you magically have /dev/tail :) |
| 06:14.17 | Kronuz | also the layouts are weird... it says Available layouts, and if I select France there's Dvorak, Alternative, Eliminate dead keys, Macintosh.... what's all that? (there's no "standard" french or qwerty keyboard listed there or anything...) |
| 06:14.19 | Zoo | bustin my tail with 2 hard jobs, making the money.. its time to shine this year :) |
| 06:14.22 | troubled | oh, nm </sarcasm> :) |
| 06:14.38 | Kronuz | what are those layouts then? I'm confused |
| 06:14.38 | Zoo | well, I"m going to work on it myself |
| 06:14.43 | troubled | ok, im not even gonna try unixify that statement heh |
| 06:14.48 | simonrvn | french .fr one is usually azerty |
| 06:15.03 | cwheeler | anyone else remember the zoo archiver? |
| 06:15.13 | Zoo | o_O |
| 06:15.15 | kerouac | simonrvn: yeah... i've been lost in redhat land for the last couple years, and i've just always thought it best to not trust the redhat bins for that, but... yeah this is debian, so I don't expect sloppy default configuration |
| 06:15.32 | simonrvn | expand dollar_tail & |
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| 06:15.50 | dutchfish | !hugs kerouac |
| 06:15.59 | kerouac | sup dutchfish |
| 06:16.24 | simonrvn | i used to build my own bind9, but i was patching it, with sdb-ldap |
| 06:16.33 | Zoo | can anyone help? |
| 06:16.43 | simonrvn | easier to just ldap > file -> bind |
| 06:16.58 | Zoo | pdf: , troubled, cwheeler, kronuz, simonrvn |
| 06:17.06 | Zoo | -_- |
| 06:17.07 | Vasistha | !tell Zoo -about repeat |
| 06:17.12 | cwheeler | help with what? |
| 06:17.13 | kerouac | i just build those 'dangerous' services by hand, just out of some superstition that I'll be better off |
| 06:17.18 | Kronuz | hey, I I think I found out how to use the layouts Ñ= |
| 06:17.22 | simonrvn | /ignore -replies Zoo |
| 06:17.25 | Zoo | okay, I see how it is :) |
| 06:17.26 | Kronuz | :) |
| 06:17.40 | Zoo | I"ll pay a programmer to do it for me.. |
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| 06:17.45 | Vasistha | Zoo: just be patient, if noone picks up your topic, wait a little while -- like at least 20 minutes -- and ask again |
| 06:17.52 | cwheeler | do what zoo? |
| 06:17.53 | Zoo | no, its okay |
| 06:17.57 | Zoo | have a good weekend |
| 06:18.02 | Vasistha | Zoo: just so you know -- there is a list, on the debian web site, of contractors who will work on your debian system |
| 06:18.04 | dutchfish | Zoo, look at this www.teslamotors.com |
| 06:18.06 | Kronuz | now, is there a way I can set up a key combination to change the keyboard layout? |
| 06:18.15 | Zoo | nah thats okay, thanks anyways |
| 06:18.26 | dutchfish | Zoo, the debian of the cars |
| 06:18.40 | troubled | Vasistha: actually, studies have shown you get faster results by makeing a false statement and waiting for someone to correct you :) |
| 06:18.48 | Zoo | I'll study everything I need to do it myself, then I will benefit from doing it on my own , like I have done with alot of things, but you know as well as I know, its just about knowing the right information to do it |
| 06:18.49 | kerouac | dutchfish: you in NL? |
| 06:18.57 | dutchfish | kerouac, yes |
| 06:18.59 | Zoo | thanks dutchfish |
| 06:19.02 | Vasistha | troubled: haha! yeah, I'm sure! ironic as it is |
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| 06:19.44 | Zoo | I been working alot of hours, 2 jobs.. from 7 - 5 landscaping, and 6 - 12 at resteraunt, and still trying to dedicate time to debian, my windows xp pro vlk, inside vmware, and even hacking with vista.. plz give me a break eh? |
| 06:19.50 | Vasistha | Kronuz: I'm sure there is a way ... at least I'm pretty sure ... keep looking around your settings menu |
| 06:19.58 | dutchfish | Vasistha, its through thats one of my favorite ways to get my pupils attention |
| 06:19.59 | cwheeler | does the tesla have a huge lithium polymer battery? |
| 06:20.07 | Zoo | busy like hell with mixing with project5.. mixvibes. and even work with bryce 6 and maxon |
| 06:20.15 | Zoo | -_- |
| 06:20.27 | dutchfish | cwheeler, no, power caps, the ultimate in storage :) |
| 06:20.51 | cwheeler | a huge lyden jar? |
| 06:20.54 | dutchfish | cwheeler, refuel in 10 minutes |
| 06:21.04 | dutchfish | cwheeler, capacitor |
| 06:21.06 | Kronuz | also there's one issue with my "sleep" mode |
| 06:21.10 | Vasistha | Zoo: I don't think anyone here is trying to give you a hard time, but seriously -- did you read the factoid on "repeat"? It's not meant to be hostile, just to let you know -- if noone's helping you, that probably means noone knows how to help you, who's currently watching the channel. |
| 06:21.19 | Zoo | 1cent per mile, lol, I like that =) |
| 06:21.31 | Zoo | you hear about that GM car? |
| 06:21.40 | Zoo | thing is, they want too much for those Battery powered Cards |
| 06:21.42 | Zoo | CArs* |
| 06:21.50 | Zoo | I"m getting the Rx7, or Rx8 |
| 06:22.05 | Zoo | oh np |
| 06:22.11 | Zoo | my bad, Vasistha |
| 06:22.18 | Kronuz | it's not making my box enter in the S3 state, but it merely just puts the computer in "monitor off" state |
| 06:22.21 | dutchfish | Zoo, its a gadget for now but tge powercap maker expect 20x cheaper caps at the end of 2007 |
| 06:22.26 | Zoo | and on forgetting to put everything on 1 line, I think its time for a drink :) |
| 06:22.45 | Kronuz | does anyone know how to fix all the sleep thing to make it use S3? |
| 06:22.47 | dutchfish | Zoo, then it will be beneath the ROI point |
| 06:22.57 | Kronuz | in ubuntu it was working |
| 06:23.06 | Zoo | ah |
| 06:23.18 | dutchfish | Zoo, hold on i look up article |
| 06:23.55 | troubled | Vasistha: http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=65&Set=64 |
| 06:23.55 | simonrvn | goddamn gcc 4.x is picky |
| 06:24.07 | simonrvn | that's a good thing though |
| 06:24.10 | kerouac | dutchfish: I go to amsterdam every couple years. i love it there. |
| 06:24.17 | kerouac | are you near the city? |
| 06:24.24 | Zoo | its okay |
| 06:24.26 | dutchfish | its however dutch: http://www.olino.org/articles/2006/10/11/supercondensator |
| 06:24.26 | simonrvn | forces people to write cleaner code, up to standards |
| 06:24.38 | Zoo | right now I"m focused on configuring XGL + Compiz in debian etch, and even XGL + Beryl |
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| 06:25.14 | dutchfish | kerouac, i live at the southern part nearby Maastricht |
| 06:25.23 | Zoo | I been reading up on how archlinux is doing... not saying I want to use that system, and even the fact I was messing around with my Mandriva 2007 PowerPack, just to see how it configured things, and what packages it used. so, just a matter of time.. only a matter of time :) |
| 06:25.40 | troubled | Vasistha :) |
| 06:25.42 | cwheeler | it uses lithium polymer batteries, like my rc helicopter. it's batteries are covered with dire warnings about fire hazards |
| 06:25.44 | Zoo | also, that patch, where they improved performance in XGL |
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| 06:26.44 | Zoo | http://www.consoleforce.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=121 ;) |
| 06:26.47 | Kronuz | is anyone using gnome from the experimental repository? |
| 06:26.56 | kerouac | what does it mean when i do an aptitude install, and as part fo the output it lists a number of packages saying 'these are held back' |
| 06:26.57 | Kronuz | how stable is it? |
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| 06:27.03 | Zoo | how you been Kronuz |
| 06:27.05 | Vasistha | troubled: that's hilarious, dude, thanks |
| 06:27.09 | Kronuz | hey |
| 06:27.19 | troubled | Vasistha: np ;) Seems fitting to irc imho |
| 06:27.31 | Kronuz | Zoo, do you happen to be using gnome 2.16 from experimental? |
| 06:27.33 | Kronuz | :P |
| 06:27.43 | Zoo | if everyone wants to team up with me on this, I would greatly appreciate this, and even set yourself up a pay pal account, or if you have, 1, I'll see what I can do, I"m serious |
| 06:27.45 | Kronuz | I'm thinkng of making the upgrade, but I'm not sure :S |
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| 06:28.27 | ubd | hello/ i cant install sound card\ alsa |
| 06:28.46 | cat | ubd: why not? |
| 06:28.49 | cat | any specific errors? |
| 06:28.55 | ubd | i dont know how to |
| 06:28.57 | Zoo | I use gnome, xfce and fluxbox Kronuz |
| 06:28.59 | cwheeler | i've never figured out what you're working on Zoo? |
| 06:29.05 | markybob | !alsa |
| 06:29.05 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 06:29.05 | ubd | i install alsa ans alsa utils |
| 06:29.14 | Zoo | ah, you didn't read? |
| 06:29.20 | Zoo | ;P |
| 06:29.22 | markybob | of course not |
| 06:29.27 | Zoo | lmao |
| 06:29.37 | cat | isn't it just better to do. !tell $nick about alsa? |
| 06:29.43 | Zoo | let me copy everything, and put it in pastebin |
| 06:30.04 | Zoo | I"m sure in the heck not going to keep repeating myself, like the people in here got onto me about =) |
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| 06:30.21 | Zoo | or maybe I"ll just see about that debian contractor deal ;-) |
| 06:30.51 | dutchfish | Zoo, cwheeler http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/03/eestor_capacito_1.php |
| 06:31.09 | Zoo | I'll just write up a request.. in a good statement |
| 06:31.24 | maddash | cpufre-info |
| 06:31.59 | Zoo | I want to get beryl + XGL and compiz + XGL configured on debian Etch |
| 06:32.22 | markybob | Zoo: so go google |
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| 06:32.43 | Kronuz | okay, g2g |
| 06:32.47 | Kronuz | bye |
| 06:32.52 | aredhel | how do I tell how big I can make a ext3 fs with out needing to do off line resizing? |
| 06:32.57 | Zoo | I know its possible, I've seen how Mandriva 2007 PowerPack, acted with my hardware, now things are different for that system and configuration was different, however that could mean different for other systems, but its how it supports proprietary hardware.. however I have been messing with and using debian since sarge |
| 06:33.08 | Zoo | already did, |
| 06:33.44 | Vasistha | aredhel: I don't quite understand your question. Are you trying to decide how to partition your drive? |
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| 06:34.17 | markybob | zoo i can tell how hard you tried by the multitude of error messages that you've posted asking real questions |
| 06:34.32 | aredhel | Vasistha, I am running out of space on my fs and am adding space to the block device using lvm. |
| 06:34.42 | cwheeler | gee the tesla is $100,000 |
| 06:34.48 | Zoo | whatever man |
| 06:34.51 | aredhel | Vasistha, but if I make it too big I have to unmount it to resize it. |
| 06:35.04 | Zoo | I"m on my own with this, and I"ll check on that contractor deal if I have too, or I'll just move to a different system |
| 06:35.06 | cwheeler | so at 1 cent per mile it'll only take a couple of lifetimes to break even |
| 06:35.13 | maddash | Zoo: what video hardware are you using? |
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| 06:36.33 | Dionix | hey, can i get my scroll wheel working with svgalib links2? |
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| 06:36.35 | [Nige] | okay ssh is fixed now |
| 06:36.39 | [Nige] | now to sort out the agent :) |
| 06:37.13 | Vasistha | Dionix: that sounds like a gpm question, and I have no idea |
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| 06:37.49 | Dionix | Vasistha: where would i go to find out |
| 06:38.00 | maddash | !passwordless |
| 06:38.05 | maddash | !ssh-agent |
| 06:38.17 | Vasistha | Dionix: I'm really not sure, but I would start with google.com/linux gpm scroll wheel |
| 06:38.22 | maddash | is there a reliable guide on passwordless ssh authentication? |
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| 06:38.59 | [Nige] | maddash, i am thinking about writing one, i have just been through this alll :) |
| 06:39.33 | simonrvn | set up key auth in sshd, use ssh-agent (look at keychain package), use -A switch on ssh command... for starters =) |
| 06:39.34 | Vasistha | maddash: I'm going to guess that ~/.ssh/config is your friend here |
| 06:39.55 | maddash | Vasistha: no, it's not. |
| 06:40.27 | Vasistha | maddash: damn, better find another friend I guess :P heh |
| 06:40.46 | maddash | simonrvn: man ssh-agent? the agent is needed for password-less auth? |
| 06:40.50 | [Nige] | maddash, - http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/misc/passwordless_ssh.html |
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| 06:41.16 | maddash | [Nige]: thanks, looking at it now |
| 06:42.12 | simonrvn | well, makes it easier for stuff like X |
| 06:42.59 | Vasistha | aredhel: hum, that's an interesting dilemma you've got, and I just have no idea. It may be determined partly by the block size, though, and it also may be effected by what the current size is, and possibly even whether it's been resized before. At any rate, I have no clue. I guess there's some compelling reason why you can't mount -o remount it? |
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| 06:45.13 | [Nige] | bbl |
| 06:45.16 | [Nige] | i need to run some tests |
| 06:45.21 | Zoo | my bad, was laying down |
| 06:45.35 | Zoo | http://www.consoleforce.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=121 |
| 06:45.50 | Zoo | my bad, wrong thing, forgot.. ctrl + shift, + c |
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| 06:46.31 | Zoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:46.32 | Dionix | IMPS2 |
| 06:46.40 | Zoo | it uses the i810 driver |
| 06:47.10 | Zoo | its all good though , I will succeed |
| 06:47.17 | Vasistha | Zoo: btw, have you checked beryl or compiz hardware compatibility lists to see if your card will work? |
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| 06:47.35 | Zoo | it will, it worked on Mandriva 2007 PowerPack, XGL + Compiz |
| 06:47.38 | aredhel | Vasistha, as far as I can tell it's based on the number of desc_blocks (17) and the size for the fs blacks (4k). I am using the fs, and the offline resize takes > 30 minutes. I can work out the limut by trial and error, but I would prefer to just resize once. |
| 06:47.43 | Zoo | its capable of alot m8 |
| 06:47.57 | Zoo | I'm going sell this soon anyways.. $500 |
| 06:48.08 | Zoo | I"m getting a notebook with a dedicated nvidia graphics card |
| 06:48.12 | cat | hey how do i configured my X? |
| 06:48.15 | Zoo | I' better go lay down though |
| 06:48.26 | simonrvn | !drxx |
| 06:48.26 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 06:48.42 | Vasistha | Zoo: if you want to run linux, I've been led to believe you'll have fewer headaches with a matrox card, if you can find one |
| 06:49.20 | Vasistha | aredhel: random guess: 31/32 would be the limit |
| 06:49.26 | Vasistha | aredhel: (desc_blocks) |
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| 06:51.57 | alleyoopster | !hello |
| 06:51.58 | dpkg | Hi, alleyoopster! |
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| 06:52.35 | aredhel | Vasistha, no it's when you have to add a new desc_block and or change the block size, that you have to do the off-line resizing. If I know how many block each desc_block referenced then I think that would tell me what I want to know. |
| 06:53.01 | Vasistha | jordanb: for those maintenance tasks, I usually recommend Timo's Rescue CD, and of course Tom's Root Boot |
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| 06:53.17 | alleyoopster | anyone know how to resume a pccard wireless network after a suspend, driver loads, just loose iwconfig settings |
| 06:53.55 | Vasistha | aredhel: oh, well this now sounds more like a simple match problem. You have 17 desc_blocks, and the fs blocks are 4k. How big is the partition, in GB? |
| 06:54.06 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: maybe pccardctl insert |
| 06:54.17 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: oh, I'm sorry, wrong answer :P |
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| 06:54.23 | alleyoopster | lol |
| 06:55.06 | alleyoopster | I am guessing it is a acpi setting, but I maybe way off |
| 06:55.08 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: you may need to use a script in /etc/acpi or something (that's a guess, I use apm so those scripts go in /etc/apm/resume.d) |
| 06:55.21 | DawnLight | OMG i've been up all night i don't know how long trying to make my radeon 9800 work with multiple display |
| 06:55.52 | alleyoopster | Vasistha: ok, I sometimes wish this laptop had apm support, it would make life easier |
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| 06:57.10 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: acpi should be able to do what you want. I just don't have any experience with it :P look for a directory inside /etc that holds scripts for resuming, perhaps in /etc/acpi or ... /etc/suspend or something like that. Of course, I may way off :P |
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| 06:57.58 | ubd | hello |
| 06:58.53 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: ooh, man acpi may be your friend, too |
| 06:58.57 | alleyoopster | Vasistha: I think your on course there. there is an /etc/acpi/resume.sh, but it does not seem to do much, also a resume.d folder with lots of specific scripts |
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| 06:59.19 | alleyoopster | ubd: hi |
| 06:59.20 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: well, you may need to add something to one of those script! |
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| 07:00.22 | Kronuz | Hey, I also wanted to ask ... if you wanted to show or capture all of the HTTP request and response of a site what would you use? |
| 07:00.38 | siimo | hi is it a bad time to install debian sid? should i go with lenny instead? i wanna use xfce 4.4 desktops |
| 07:00.39 | alleyoopster | Vasistha: I tried doing a diff on the folders between a working ubuntu on a dual boot and there was not much, just a few changes which I made, guess I need to google a bit |
| 07:00.44 | Kronuz | (as to show the network traffic for a website that's being downloaded |
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| 07:01.17 | Vasistha | !sid |
| 07:01.18 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 07:01.28 | alleyoopster | siimo what wrong with 4.3.99 |
| 07:01.43 | siimo | 4.4.1 has some memory leak fixes alleyoopster |
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| 07:02.09 | alleyoopster | siimo: really, oh ok, anything to worry about, I have had no problems so far |
| 07:02.17 | xingu | Kronuz: wireshark or tcpdump |
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| 07:02.46 | siimo | alleyoopster: well im not sure but it improves responsiveness of xfwm4 the window manager a lot |
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| 07:03.36 | aredhel | Vasistha, thanks. It looks like with 4k blocks each desc_block can ref 16G of space. |
| 07:03.40 | alleyoopster | siimo: ok, well I am using openbox as wm, not brave enough to go to sid yet |
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| 07:04.17 | siimo | alleyoopster: i used to use sid for a couple of yrs a while ago but then i switched to other distros and have used etch since last yr |
| 07:04.56 | Kronuz | xingu: I didn't know ethereal changed its name :P |
| 07:05.47 | alleyoopster | siimo: I am fairly new to debian and have had the luxury of using a rolling release dist, but I wanted stability. I am happy with the current applications, de and wm in etch but I guess a time will come to go lenny or sid |
| 07:06.25 | xingu | Kronuz: now you do. :) |
| 07:06.27 | siimo | alleyoopster: oh ok i used debian back in 2003 first i think.. it was great but back then i had to manually configure alsa and everything these days its built into kernel which is nice |
| 07:06.32 | Kronuz | :) |
| 07:06.37 | Vasistha | Kronuz: you are running the web site server, and you want to monitor the traffic on your own site? |
| 07:06.49 | Kronuz | xingu: still I found the Tamper Data add on for firefox |
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| 07:07.01 | Kronuz | VaLouille: yep |
| 07:07.07 | Vasistha | try again ;-) |
| 07:07.18 | Kronuz | :P |
| 07:07.32 | Kronuz | Vasistha: stupid autocomplete |
| 07:07.39 | Vasistha | I wonder if apache has a module to do that |
| 07:07.41 | alleyoopster | siimo: debian seems to do quite a bit for you, it also seems very snappy. I am liking it more than I thought I would |
| 07:07.53 | markybob | holy son of a bitch using git bisect to find a bad kernel patch takes forever :) |
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| 07:08.34 | siimo | yeah i like it as well alleyoopster but sometimes i get frustrated how everything becomes frozen for few months when we near a release and just then i want my favorite programs new versions so i have to compile ahhh |
| 07:09.14 | xingu | markybob: only on underpowered iron ;) |
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| 07:10.01 | markybob | xingu: i've been working with it for 9hrs so far :) with each reboot my soul dies a little bit more |
| 07:10.03 | alleyoopster | siimo: now that's not the first time I have heard that and I guess that is where sid comes into play. Well I am going to hunt down some acpi scripts.. |
| 07:10.57 | siimo | im off to watch simpsons later alleyoopster |
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| 07:11.09 | alleyoopster | siimo: laters |
| 07:11.25 | cat | is there any how that debian detect my X configuration automaticly? |
| 07:11.26 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: whatever it is that you have to do manually to bring the interface back up -- just put that into a script that runs towards the end of your acpi resume scripts, perhaps even with a little "sleep" prepended |
| 07:11.40 | Vasistha | !tell cat -about drxx |
| 07:11.55 | Vasistha | cat: I *think* that can help you |
| 07:12.03 | cat | i've done that before |
| 07:12.08 | cat | but my x isn't workign |
| 07:12.23 | Vasistha | cat: you could pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
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| 07:12.50 | cat | that's the video card that i have nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]__ |
| 07:12.52 | alleyoopster | Vasistha: ah ok, well that is easy just setting up essid and key, but that would be different depending on location I guess, I use this at 2 places, but that's another problem |
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| 07:13.04 | xingu | markybob: you need to put / and /usr/src on a pair of those 32GB flash "hdd"'s :) |
| 07:13.35 | markybob | xingu: i knew i was doing something wrong! ;) |
| 07:13.37 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: have you checked out NetworkManager ? That might be a much better solution, and it also might play nice with acpi |
| 07:14.02 | Kronuz | hey, in the gnome keyboard layout indicator (the applet) is there a way to make it show flags instead of text? |
| 07:14.17 | Kronuz | or at least how would I change the text there |
| 07:14.28 | Vasistha | Kronuz: it's a very good question for #gnome although you might get an answer here |
| 07:14.56 | alleyoopster | Vasistha: no I havent, I'll install that and see where it takes me |
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| 07:15.18 | Kronuz | ('cause for the english layout it's showing USA and for the french layout it's showing Fra) |
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| 07:15.35 | Kronuz | at least it should show Eng and Fra (not USA) |
| 07:15.36 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: nm is great; the idea is to have a windows-esque super-easy graphical setup that just works. |
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| 07:15.56 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: heh, unfortunately I can't get it working on my box ;-) but it's really great for a lot of people |
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| 07:16.44 | alleyoopster | Vasistha what is the front end for it? |
| 07:16.50 | Vasistha | Kronuz: it may be that you've got the us keyboard layout selected, as opposed to a different english layout |
| 07:17.02 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: there are a couple, there's a kde one, a gnome one, etc. |
| 07:17.30 | Kronuz | Vasistha: it's okay if it's the USA layout (that's what I'm used to) but it should say Eng, not USA |
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| 07:18.16 | Kronuz | where are the files for the kbd layouts? |
| 07:18.36 | Kronuz | maybe the USA end Fra are somewhere inside those files |
| 07:18.41 | alleyoopster | Vasistha: ok, I am in openbox so I guess nm-tool |
| 07:19.08 | Vasistha | Kronuz: probably so, but I'm going to guess that there's a better way! Try #gnome and google, or ask again here in a half hour |
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| 07:19.26 | Kronuz | I've googled it a lot :( |
| 07:19.29 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: nm-tool is the text-based tool |
| 07:19.41 | Stalwart | hi there, does debian have selinux enabled by default? |
| 07:19.44 | Kronuz | and #gnome seems dead (almost always, compared to #debian) |
| 07:19.46 | Stalwart | i mean, etch 4.0 |
| 07:20.23 | Vasistha | Kronuz: well, sure -- lots of channels are like that. You just open the channel window, ask your question, go out to lunch and see if someone's answered it when you come back ;-) |
| 07:20.40 | xingu | Vasistha: a bit like the msft support line then eh? |
| 07:20.43 | Kronuz | :) |
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| 07:21.00 | Kronuz | Vasistha: what about the S3 sleep mode? |
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| 07:21.13 | Kronuz | any ideas why it might not be working here (S3) |
| 07:21.29 | Vasistha | Stalwart: I'm not exactly sure how to answer your question, but I can pastebin the selinux part of the default kernel config if you like |
| 07:21.46 | Kronuz | it's configured okay in the BIOS, it works in windows and it worked in ubuntu... but in debian it seems it doesn't and I can't figure out why |
| 07:21.52 | xingu | Kronuz: the politically incorrect answer is "because even in linux-2.6-HEAD, power saving is a buggy piece of crap" :) |
| 07:21.58 | simonrvn | kernel... |
| 07:22.00 | Kronuz | hmm |
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| 07:22.21 | xingu | Kronuz: what, exactly, ain't working? |
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| 07:22.27 | Kronuz | that explains why in ubuntu it worked, but only if I used it for a few minutes |
| 07:22.55 | Stalwart | Vasistha: i don't even know what selinux is, but customer needs it |
| 07:23.02 | roland_ | hi |
| 07:23.03 | Kronuz | if I left it all night for instance, in the morning it wouldn't turn back on |
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| 07:23.19 | roland_ | i installed a icon set for xfce in ~/.icons but it doesnt show up in UI settings.. anyone ? |
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| 07:24.16 | Vasistha | Stalwart: selinux related to security; that much I know. And I believe it's built into the kernel. I *think* stock debian kernels have it built-in, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 07:24.29 | xingu | Kronuz: ok, you're into "buggy piece of crap" territory if the framework works (ie, you can suspend and resume at all, ever) |
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| 07:24.58 | xingu | Kronuz: it's probably a driver of some description needs some careful modprobe -r/ modprobe love during resume |
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| 07:25.09 | cpuobsessed | i downloaded the alternate install of ubuntu feisty, how do i add the keys so I can install from it into etch |
| 07:25.15 | xingu | Kronuz: or maybe even modprobe -r just before sleep and modprobe at resume |
| 07:25.22 | sandman | Can Debian resize NTFS partitions? |
| 07:25.28 | xingu | Kronuz: good luck hunting that down. :) |
| 07:25.39 | Kronuz | xingu: it's not working in debian anyway (it sort of worked in ubuntu) |
| 07:25.48 | Vasistha | sandman: I don't think so, look for parted on the web |
| 07:26.07 | cpuobsessed | sandman, no; i tried |
| 07:26.08 | Kronuz | if I just put the machine in S3 for a few minutes (or a couple hours) it would work just fine |
| 07:26.15 | cpuobsessed | it will do fat partitions |
| 07:26.23 | Kronuz | the problem was with more than a couple hours, like 6 or 7 |
| 07:26.32 | Kronuz | for some weird reason... |
| 07:26.42 | Kronuz | but anyway, I can't make the S3 work in debian, so... |
| 07:26.46 | cpuobsessed | try looking into ntfs-3g |
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| 07:27.23 | hark | sandman: it can |
| 07:27.25 | qweqweqwe | heyas debian gurus, i was wondering about gui configuration tools for debian, any suggestions? |
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| 07:27.53 | \amethyst | sandman: ntfsprogs has a program called ntfsresize |
| 07:27.55 | roland_ | hey i changed permissions for /mnt/hdb where i mounted my ntfs partition to 744 but i cant cd there with my user account.. Permission denied ... and it has read acces.. whats wrong? |
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| 07:28.01 | Vasistha | qweqweqwe: depends on your de; if you're using kde, you'll want the kde tools, if gnome you'll want the gnome tools, etc. |
| 07:28.12 | hark | the installer supports it as well, iirc |
| 07:28.26 | Vasistha | roland_: probably your mount options. How did you mount it, what options did you use? |
| 07:28.27 | xingu | Kronuz: in debian, make sure you're in the powerdev group; also, check that nothing you need to use is blacklisted - /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules |
| 07:28.27 | \amethyst | roland_: A couple of reasons |
| 07:28.46 | roland_ | Vasistha: nothing.. just simple #mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb |
| 07:28.47 | \amethyst | roland_: First of all, 744 doesn't have other-execute or group-execute, meaning no one but the owner can traverse the directory |
| 07:29.08 | xingu | Kronuz: if you get to the point where the system can invoke suspend and where the initramfs invokes resume - then you're back into kernel-side driver, or, hardware bugs. |
| 07:29.10 | roland_ | \amethyst: i need execute permission for reading from a directory? |
| 07:29.18 | Vasistha | roland_: well, I believe the easiest way to give all users access is to add -o users to your command |
| 07:29.26 | \amethyst | roland_: for accessing anything under the directory |
| 07:29.32 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:29.40 | roland_ | so 744 only allows me to list contents |
| 07:29.42 | roland_ | not cd or read |
| 07:29.50 | Kronuz | xingu: and to go to S3 I should just call suspend? |
| 07:29.51 | roland_ | will be 755 |
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| 07:30.01 | \amethyst | roland_: second, there's no support for unix permissions on NTFS, so you can only chmod the root effectively |
| 07:30.11 | roland_ | yea |
| 07:30.21 | xingu | Kronuz: depends which framework you're using; hibernate is a wrapper around all of them, and it's what gnome invokes (via hal) |
| 07:30.31 | Kronuz | xingu: 'cause I am in the powerdev group and there's no blacklist anywhere to be found in /etc |
| 07:30.46 | valdyn | Kronuz: see /etc/hibernate/ |
| 07:30.47 | \amethyst | roland_: if you want the files to be owned by a particular user or to have particular permissions, you need the uid=, gid=, and umask= options |
| 07:30.54 | Kronuz | valdyn: nope, not there |
| 07:31.02 | xingu | Kronuz: sounds like hibernate ain't installed. |
| 07:31.05 | Kronuz | hmm |
| 07:31.09 | Vasistha | roland_: re: your other question, you can always try #xfce |
| 07:31.09 | Kronuz | that might be the problem then |
| 07:31.13 | Kronuz | :P |
| 07:31.17 | roland_ | \amethyst: yea whats with them.. |
| 07:31.23 | valdyn | Kronuz: i dont know what hal uses |
| 07:31.35 | \amethyst | roland_: for example, to make files 644 and directories 755, and everything owned by user roland, group roland: |
| 07:31.46 | ubd | Vasistha: you were right. i shouldnt have uninstalled xfce. i didnt like kde. i think i have to go for enlightenment. |
| 07:31.46 | valdyn | Kronuz: iirc it will check and try to use several mechanisms, including hibernate |
| 07:31.49 | Kronuz | if I press the sleep button it "sleeps" the monitor |
| 07:31.54 | \amethyst | roland_: add -o umask=022,uid=roland,gid=roland |
| 07:32.07 | kerouac | yay, dns up and running |
| 07:32.13 | Kronuz | let me install the hibernate |
| 07:32.14 | \amethyst | roland_: the umask are the bits that *aren't* set |
| 07:32.20 | \amethyst | s/are/is/ |
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| 07:32.24 | roland_ | \amethyst: add as -o to mount ? |
| 07:32.31 | valdyn | Kronuz: the sleep button will do whatever specifified in /etc/acpi/ |
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| 07:32.34 | Vasistha | ubd: well, I *tried* to convince you not to uninstall before you got used to it! I would also advise you to give kde a chance for a week. |
| 07:32.39 | xingu | valdyn, Kronuz: see /usr/lib/hal/scripts/linux/hal-system-power-suspend-linux |
| 07:32.46 | Vasistha | roland_: yes, all mount options are done with -o and they are comma-separated |
| 07:32.53 | kerouac | Respect My Authoratah! |
| 07:32.57 | \amethyst | roland_: yes. If you're putting this in fstab, put it (without the -o) in the fourth column |
| 07:33.06 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:33.07 | roland_ | thanks |
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| 07:33.11 | roland_ | but no need |
| 07:33.18 | roland_ | a+rx resolved it |
| 07:33.45 | valdyn | xingu: so powersaved first if he has no apm support |
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| 07:34.09 | valdyn | Kronuz: check if powersave(d) is installed |
| 07:34.12 | xingu | valdyn, Kronuz: and if it's installed; but for most folk it winds up matching on hibernate |
| 07:34.29 | Kronuz | I'll try it nownope, not installed |
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| 07:34.41 | Kronuz | and hibernate is probably not S3 |
| 07:34.48 | xingu | hibernate is just a wrapper |
| 07:34.54 | valdyn | Kronuz: the hibernate name is misleading, it can do anything |
| 07:35.00 | xingu | it invokes the framework-specific binaries directly |
| 07:35.00 | Kronuz | oh |
| 07:35.14 | robin_sz | how do I get this boxen to generate another locale, it seems to have ch_FR installed but not en_GB???? |
| 07:35.20 | Kronuz | I wonder what ubuntu had installed by default |
| 07:35.21 | xingu | like s2{ram,disk}, pm-suspend, powersave, yadda |
| 07:35.23 | valdyn | Kronuz: /usr/sbin/hibernate -F/etc/hibernate/ram.conf is what it calls |
| 07:35.26 | xingu | millions of layers of indirection |
| 07:35.33 | valdyn | Kronuz: -F specifieing the config file for suspend to ram |
| 07:35.39 | xingu | see comment ref "buggy piece of crap" :) |
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| 07:36.15 | xingu | the matrix of what exactly /can/ get called when you hit your DE's "suspend" button is an n-way billion element monster |
| 07:36.39 | valdyn | right, its such a mess |
| 07:36.49 | alleyoopster | Can anyone explain with aptitude occasionally feels the need to remove what it believes to be unused applications when I install other apps? This case installing gnome-network-manager tried to uninstall zip, unzip kernel-package and others. |
| 07:36.49 | Kronuz | okay, let me try my sleep button again |
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| 07:36.57 | xingu | maybe we need to write a single unifying wrapper to sort it all out |
| 07:37.19 | Kronuz | nothing... only the monitor slept... again |
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| 07:37.37 | Vasistha | Kronuz: have you tried running the hibernate script rather than using the button? |
| 07:37.38 | Ahmadinej | Hi |
| 07:37.41 | xingu | Kronuz: power button generates an acpi event; it's up to hal to catch that and throw it to hibernate |
| 07:37.46 | valdyn | alleyoopster: run aptitude upgrade, see what it will remove, aptitude instal the packages of those you need |
| 07:37.51 | alleyoopster | Ahmadinej hi |
| 07:37.52 | robin_sz | how do I get this boxen to generate another locale, it seems to have ch_FR installed but not en_GB???? |
| 07:37.56 | Ahmadinej | Is it true that OpenBSD need less reboots than Debian? |
| 07:38.03 | valdyn | Ahmadinej: nope |
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| 07:38.14 | streuner | Ahmadinej: troll somewhere else |
| 07:38.15 | Ahmadinej | Good:D |
| 07:38.22 | robin_sz | Ahmadinej, they both need 0, so yes and no |
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| 07:38.29 | Ahmadinej | :P |
| 07:38.42 | valdyn | Ahmadinej: both need no reboots unless you need to switch to a different kernel |
| 07:38.44 | alleyoopster | valdyn: tried it nothing installed nothing removed |
| 07:39.10 | Kronuz | "hibernate: Aborting suspend due to errors in ModulesUnloadBlacklist" |
| 07:39.11 | Vasistha | Ahmadinej: the only reason you'll ever need to reboot debian is if you get a new kernel, or if you decide to change your hard drive partitions. Hard to say if those things would happen more with debian or bsd |
| 07:39.16 | valdyn | alleyoopster: well, then do the same with aptitude install gnome-network-manager |
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| 07:39.43 | valdyn | alleyoopster: aptitude can remove packages that never got installed explicitely but only as depends automagicaly when no explicitely installed program depends on them |
| 07:39.53 | valdyn | alleyoopster: no idea how to switch that feature off |
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| 07:40.32 | alleyoopster | valdyn: erm when I did that I used the -R to leave out recommends and this is when it tried to remove, now network-manager is installed (with apt) |
| 07:40.49 | Ahmadinej | Ok |
| 07:40.54 | Ahmadinej | Good |
| 07:40.59 | EdwardElric | where would i find the proper way to make debian packages? |
| 07:41.01 | xingu | oh my god |
| 07:41.11 | Kronuz | oh well |
| 07:41.19 | Vasistha | !dpkg-buildpkg |
| 07:41.22 | xingu | valdyn: my /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn throws to a non existant script /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh (I have power.sh) |
| 07:41.30 | alleyoopster | valdyn: OK, maybe I'll use apt in the future as this happened another time, it took out volume control and a whole load of stuff, I had to copy the list and reinstall |
| 07:41.32 | xingu | great, more bugs. :) |
| 07:41.35 | EdwardElric | i should type that? |
| 07:41.39 | Kronuz | I just was used to simply press sleep and in the morning it would wake up faster than a whole boot |
| 07:41.53 | EdwardElric | !dpkg-buildpkg |
| 07:42.08 | valdyn | Kronuz: you can fix that error or try removing hibernate and installing powersaved |
| 07:42.11 | xingu | Kronuz: what does grep action /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn say? |
| 07:42.17 | Vasistha | EdwardElric: more like, man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:42.23 | valdyn | Kronuz: you can fix that error or try removing hibernate and installing powersaved |
| 07:42.26 | EdwardElric | ok |
| 07:42.29 | valdyn | ops |
| 07:42.29 | EdwardElric | ty |
| 07:42.31 | Vasistha | there we go |
| 07:42.35 | Vasistha | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 07:42.35 | dpkg | i guess dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
| 07:42.38 | EdwardElric | ah |
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| 07:43.04 | EdwardElric | i want to know what im doing ;D |
| 07:43.22 | giupy | in an old intel 440gx, can i put any hd ide, for example a new 320gb ide without problems ? |
| 07:43.36 | valdyn | xingu: i have powerbtn.sh |
| 07:43.42 | Kronuz | valdyn: installing it now |
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| 07:43.55 | xingu | valdyn: whee, time for some confmiss fun I guess |
| 07:44.02 | Vasistha | EdwardElric: well, then you should probably follow those instructions, and you'll learn something and be that much closer to knowing what you're doing! |
| 07:44.07 | giupy | it supports ide hd alright... |
| 07:44.08 | valdyn | xingu: both are in acpid i guess |
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| 07:44.59 | EdwardElric | yea, i just dont like how thats worded lol |
| 07:45.20 | valdyn | EdwardElric: you need at least rudimentary knowledge in the build system used, in make, in the language the program you are trying to build is written |
| 07:45.25 | obsethryl | morning Vasistha & company |
| 07:45.35 | Vasistha | obsethryl: guh |
| 07:45.50 | EdwardElric | i see |
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| 07:46.05 | obsethryl | guh? :) |
| 07:46.13 | EdwardElric | i was trying to use 'checkinstall' |
| 07:46.20 | EdwardElric | but it did something retarded |
| 07:46.21 | EdwardElric | lol |
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| 07:46.42 | EdwardElric | good thing im only using vmware for testing ;D |
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| 07:47.51 | Vasistha | obsethryl: it's 1am here, I'm not quite ready for greetings of good morning ;-) |
| 07:47.57 | roland_ | i cant copy the files from my ntfs partition with my user account, i can only browse |
| 07:47.58 | roland_ | what do i do |
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| 07:48.08 | obsethryl | oh i see |
| 07:48.16 | obsethryl | :D |
| 07:48.23 | roland_ | need to remount with uid,gid, and umask ? |
| 07:48.26 | alleyoopster | Vasistha: 1am is morning :) |
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| 07:49.04 | Vasistha | alleyoopster: well, depending how you define "morning", but in any case, it is certainly no time to be giving greetings of good morning ;-) |
| 07:49.45 | hark | roland_: copy to NTFS or copy from? |
| 07:49.48 | Vasistha | roland_: can you cat one? |
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| 07:50.06 | ubd | how can i add sid to sources list |
| 07:50.21 | hark | ubd: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 07:50.23 | Vasistha | ubd: I'm not sure that's a good idea |
| 07:50.31 | roland_ | hark, Vasistha: im browsing the folders on my ntfs partition with my user account and i want to copy some .pdf files in my home/docs folder, but i cant |
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| 07:50.38 | ubd | i will install a package of sid |
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| 07:51.12 | swast | hello guys |
| 07:51.16 | swast | anyone spanish speeking there ? |
| 07:51.24 | Vasistha | ubd: it's not advisable to do that. You ought to just wait for backports |
| 07:51.48 | alleyoopster | swast: un picito |
| 07:51.51 | xingu | valdyn: excellent, confmiss on acpid doesn't reinstall /etc/acpi/* |
| 07:51.51 | ubd | vasistha tell me a sid source list line please |
| 07:51.57 | Vasistha | roland_: what does ls -l show as the permissions? Clearly you were able to cd into the directory |
| 07:51.57 | hark | ubd: then /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:52.05 | ubd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.13 | ubd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.16 | roland_ | Vasistha: ls -l in the top tree of the ntfs partition / |
| 07:52.20 | roland_ | ? |
| 07:52.26 | Vasistha | ubd: do you know how to use private messages in irc? |
| 07:52.32 | ubd | yes yes |
| 07:52.34 | hark | !tell ubd about simple sid backport |
| 07:52.45 | Kronuz | I installed powersaved |
| 07:52.53 | Vasistha | ubd: oh, you probably just copied/pasted a leading whitespace :P |
| 07:53.01 | Kronuz | and powersave -u looks like it's going to do something but it doesn't |
| 07:53.12 | roland_ | drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2007-04-18 12:49 docs <- in the top tree of the NTFS partition , this is where i need to copy files from |
| 07:53.13 | ubd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.16 | Kronuz | (the network gets disconnected for a moment and then it's back on, and that's it) |
| 07:53.30 | Vasistha | cd roland_ okay, so cd docs, ls -l yourfile.pdf |
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| 07:53.38 | roland_ | Vasistha ok hang on |
| 07:53.49 | Vasistha | roland_: no need to tell us to wait, we'll be here |
| 07:53.56 | roland_ | ok |
| 07:53.57 | Kronuz | valdyn: powersave -U says the swap partition '' doesn't exist thus it can't suspend |
| 07:54.02 | Kronuz | and (that was for S4) |
| 07:54.17 | Vasistha | ubd: it's just like a deb line, but it starts with deb-src. And you change etch to sid. |
| 07:54.19 | Kronuz | and as for powersave -m (standby) it says it's disabled by the admin or something |
| 07:54.33 | hark | ubd: just change etch to sid... deb-src ftp://ftp.cc.debian.org/debian/ sid main |
| 07:55.04 | ubd | allright thanks! hark |
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| 07:55.26 | roland_ | -rw------- 2 root root 29303743 2007-04-15 09:15 [Sybex] CCNA INTRO - Introduction to Cisco Networking Technologies - Study Guide (Exam 640-821) (2006) - BBL.pdf <- one of the items in the directory , i cant copy it |
| 07:55.26 | xingu | valdyn: aah, I think they've all moved into acpi-support now |
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| 07:55.50 | ubd | Vasistha: what denvironment are you using? |
| 07:55.56 | Vasistha | roland_: alright, you should probably read a guide to file permission ;-) |
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| 07:56.09 | roland_ | Vasistha: why should i ? whats missing |
| 07:56.30 | ubd | x is missing |
| 07:56.33 | Vasistha | roland_: at any rate, it sounds like you need to remount the partition. (although I actually don't have any experience with ntfs) |
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| 07:57.04 | roland_ | i know how to work with permissions fine, but the problem is i cant change permission on NTFS |
| 07:57.10 | roland_ | i will need to remount yeah |
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| 07:57.20 | hark | !ntfsro |
| 07:57.20 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 07:57.38 | ubd | ntfs permissions cant be changed in linux afaik |
| 07:57.41 | xingu | valdyn: and just adding insult to injury, sid acpi-support no longer has a power button event handler |
| 07:57.47 | xingu | valdyn: "brillant!" |
| 07:58.00 | hark | heh |
| 07:58.42 | xingu | buggy. piece. of. crap. :) |
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| 08:00.39 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 08:00.40 | dpkg | <tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building. |
| 08:00.43 | Vasistha | !tell swast -about es |
| 08:00.53 | peterS | I love that tcsetattr quote |
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| 08:01.01 | Kronuz | I give up... powersaved isn't working either :( |
| 08:01.15 | Kronuz | and there's nothing in the logs |
| 08:01.22 | Kronuz | (dmesg and /var/log/messages) |
| 08:01.51 | roland_ | hark: that doesnt work for ntfs acces for me |
| 08:01.53 | roland_ | i still cant copy |
| 08:02.18 | Vasistha | roland_: you unmounted it first, right? |
| 08:02.23 | roland_ | yeah |
| 08:02.31 | roland_ | and replaced those things up with my own device and mountpoint |
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| 08:02.37 | roland_ | and then saved fstab and mount -a |
| 08:02.38 | Vasistha | roland_: and you adjusted the uid to that of your user? |
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| 08:03.02 | roland_ | the uid not |
| 08:03.10 | roland_ | but i want to make it for all users |
| 08:03.15 | roland_ | not just for my user uid |
| 08:03.29 | qweqweqwe | Vasistha: so debian has nothing like suse's yast or redhat's system-config-... |
| 08:03.32 | Vasistha | roland_: oh, mount -a is not what you need; you need to remount it. try mount -o remount /mnt/hdb |
| 08:03.32 | qweqweqwe | ? |
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| 08:04.04 | Vasistha | qweqweqwe: I don't know what suse's yast or rh's system-config do, so I'm not in any position to answer your question |
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| 08:04.48 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: debian has something like that, though very different too, what are you trying to configure? |
| 08:04.58 | Vasistha | roland_: ahh, then replace the uid and gid parts simply with the word 'users' |
| 08:05.07 | roland_ | ok ok thanks |
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| 08:05.16 | iveqy | is there a guide how to set up two different X-sessions? Like I whant to switch from a session with fluxbox at ctrl+alt+f7 to an other with gnome at ctrl+alt+f8? |
| 08:05.19 | Vasistha | roland_: oh, and get rid of 'user' (singular) |
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| 08:06.22 | valdyn | iveqy: log in as a new user 'gdmflexiserver' or your gnome / kde / whatever menu entry |
| 08:06.55 | roland_ | roland@summer:/mnt/hdb/docs/networking$ cp Networking.for.Dummies.pdf ~ |
| 08:06.55 | roland_ | cp: cannot open `Networking.for.Dummies.pdf' for reading: Permission denied |
| 08:06.58 | roland_ | still cant |
| 08:07.02 | iveqy | gdmflexiserver? |
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| 08:07.22 | Vasistha | roland_: rather than attempting the cp command at all, just issue the ls -l command and see if you have read permission! |
| 08:07.28 | roland_ | i dont |
| 08:07.37 | roland_ | only root has |
| 08:08.07 | Vasistha | roland_: alright, just to make sure everything actually happened, umount /dev/hdb; mount /dev/hdb; |
| 08:08.21 | valdyn | iveqy: yes? |
| 08:08.30 | iveqy | valdyn: is gdmflexiserver a replacement for gdm? I never heard of it |
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| 08:08.40 | Vasistha | roland_: and then after that, type mount, with no parameters -- it will show you the options that the drive was mounted with |
| 08:08.43 | giupy | how can i calculate a password with md5sum ? |
| 08:08.46 | valdyn | iveqy: no, run gdm, run gdmflexiserver in a shell |
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| 08:09.19 | Vasistha | giupy: maybe md5sum <<<"password" |
| 08:09.21 | valdyn | iveqy: that program is invoked aswell with the gnome menu entry "New Login" or similar |
| 08:09.23 | roland_ | /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb type ntfs (rw) |
| 08:09.31 | roland_ | i umounted/and mounted |
| 08:09.42 | iveqy | valdyn: okej. Thanks, will try that.:) |
| 08:09.45 | valdyn | iveqy: is gdm the *dm you are using? |
| 08:09.46 | Vasistha | roland_: alright, well as you can see, it's not actually getting any of those options we specified :P |
| 08:09.51 | giupy | Vasistha: thanks :) |
| 08:10.02 | roland_ | Vasistha: but the damn thing has them all in fstab |
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| 08:10.07 | roland_ | i reaplced uid,gid with = uers |
| 08:10.08 | roland_ | users |
| 08:10.28 | valdyn | iveqy: mind, logging in twice as the same user is a little problematic |
| 08:10.29 | Vasistha | roland_: let's see your /etc/fstab line, and make sure there isn't a simple syntax error or something |
| 08:10.41 | valdyn | iveqy: ( in X ) |
| 08:10.51 | roland_ | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=users,uid=users,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 |
| 08:11.07 | iveqy | valdyn: thanks. But that is not something I need to do. It's more like me and my girlfriend have different opinions about the window handler :) |
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| 08:11.22 | iveqy | valdyn: yes, gdm is what I'm using. |
| 08:11.26 | valdyn | iveqy: ok, gnome has neat applets and gui control for this |
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| 08:11.58 | Vasistha | roland_: ahha, that's totally wrong ;-) |
| 08:12.02 | iveqy | valdyn: I guess I need to run gdmflexiserver as root in an non xterm? |
| 08:12.18 | Vasistha | roland_: make it like this: ro,auto,users,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 |
| 08:12.26 | roland_ | lol ok |
| 08:12.28 | valdyn | iveqy: nope |
| 08:12.39 | iveqy | valdyn: or not. I've got errors... |
| 08:12.42 | valdyn | iveqy: run gdmflexiserver from a random shell in your X |
| 08:13.13 | iveqy | valdyn: so simple! |
| 08:13.33 | iveqy | valdyn: but how do I switch between the different sessions? |
| 08:13.47 | valdyn | iveqy: ctrl-alt-fx |
| 08:13.52 | Vasistha | iveqy: alt+ctrl+f7/8 as you desired |
| 08:13.53 | roland_ | summer:/home/roland# mount /dev/hdb1 |
| 08:13.53 | roland_ | mount: unknown filesystem type 'dmask=0222' |
| 08:13.55 | valdyn | iveqy: or use the gnome applet |
| 08:14.15 | Vasistha | roland_: you didn't take out the 'ntfs' part, did you? |
| 08:14.16 | roland_ | hmm forget it |
| 08:14.18 | \amethyst | roland_: what's the fstab line? |
| 08:14.23 | roland_ | wait |
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| 08:14.53 | \amethyst | iveqy: you can also get a gdmflexiserver instance in a window |
| 08:15.04 | xingu | hmm |
| 08:15.06 | iveqy | thanks everybody. I works just the way I whanted it! |
| 08:15.09 | roland_ | i forgot ntfs out , so np |
| 08:15.17 | iveqy | \amethyst: cool. How? |
| 08:15.19 | \amethyst | gdmflexiserver --xnest |
| 08:15.53 | roland_ | roland@summer:~$ cd /mnt/hdb/docs |
| 08:15.53 | roland_ | bash: cd: /mnt/hdb/docs: Permission denied |
| 08:15.53 | roland_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.56 | roland_ | now i cant even cd there |
| 08:16.08 | \amethyst | roland_: what options did you use? |
| 08:16.33 | roland_ | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/hdb ntfs ro,auto,users,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 |
| 08:16.47 | \amethyst | fmask and dmask are for fat not ntfs |
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| 08:17.11 | roland_ | ok |
| 08:17.13 | valdyn | !nftsro |
| 08:17.19 | valdyn | !ntfsro |
| 08:17.19 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 08:17.24 | valdyn | or both! |
| 08:17.49 | valdyn | roland_: you didn't specifiy gid or uid. Sure its owned by root now |
| 08:17.58 | roland_ | OMG |
| 08:17.59 | roland_ | ffs |
| 08:18.02 | valdyn | roland_: you really want to learn about permissions |
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| 08:18.54 | roland_ | whats the correct fstab line i should tpye in /etc/fstab ? my docs are there |
| 08:19.17 | valdyn | roland_: i have no idea what the hell you are trying to achieve |
| 08:19.18 | Vasistha | hum, why does dpkg's factoid recommend using fmask and dmask, when the manpage says they're for vfat and not ntfs?? oh well. |
| 08:19.19 | \amethyst | roland_: You want the files to be owned by root, readable by everybody? |
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| 08:19.47 | valdyn | Vasistha: maybe that manpage is not up to date? i dont know |
| 08:19.54 | roland_ | i only want to acces the partition with my user account to copy files -_- |
| 08:20.12 | valdyn | roland_: so do what dpkg said |
| 08:20.23 | roland_ | i did that and didnt work |
| 08:20.24 | \amethyst | roland_: ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,umask=0222 |
| 08:20.37 | \amethyst | err |
| 08:20.41 | Vasistha | roland_: well, when you did that before, you didn't actually umount and mount it properly :P |
| 08:20.49 | roland_ | -_- |
| 08:20.49 | roland_ | ffs |
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| 08:21.07 | Vasistha | roland_: after mounting, I think it would be wise for you to type 'mount' without any options, and see that your specified options were actually obeyed |
| 08:21.13 | valdyn | its very simple, but if you dont understand what you type, thats somewhat tricky |
| 08:21.21 | roland_ | that i did and it showed with no options just rw |
| 08:21.28 | Vasistha | how about now? |
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| 08:21.35 | roland_ | just rw |
| 08:21.57 | giupy | hmm, md5sum <<< password , seems to not be right, password is always incorrect |
| 08:22.24 | xingu | hmm, interesting, the 945gm can deliver either ~1.5GB/s or ~3.2GB/s worth of memory read bandwidth depending on access pattern |
| 08:22.27 | \amethyst | giupy: correct compared to what? |
| 08:22.30 | Vasistha | giupy: you know, that might put a linefeed at the end :P I'm not sure |
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| 08:22.51 | valdyn | xingu: dual channel effect? |
| 08:22.59 | xingu | valdyn: I'm guessing, yeah |
| 08:23.01 | giupy | \amethyst: i'm trying to setup amule server |
| 08:23.09 | Vasistha | giupy: try echo -n "password" | md5sum |
| 08:23.15 | giupy | i try |
| 08:23.37 | xingu | valdyn: 945gm allows for symmetric mode too if you have both sockets populated with the same capacity ddr2 sodimm |
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| 08:23.50 | xingu | valdyn: ... and I do. |
| 08:24.05 | roland_ | /dev/hdb1 on /mnt/hdb type ntfs (ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1001,gid=24,fmask=0333,dmask=0222) |
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| 08:24.31 | Vasistha | parentheses bad |
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| 08:24.42 | \amethyst | Vasistha: WTF are you talking about? |
| 08:24.52 | Vasistha | \amethyst: roland's fstab line |
| 08:25.05 | xingu | valdyn: curiously enough once you get outside caching artifacts but before you swamp the thing, you can deliver about 8GB/s worth of write bandwidth |
| 08:25.07 | \amethyst | Vasistha: looks like the output of mount, not the fstab line |
| 08:25.08 | valdyn | not an fstab line, just the output of 'mount' ? |
| 08:25.10 | roland_ | copying works now fine |
| 08:25.12 | roland_ | thanks for help |
| 08:25.15 | Vasistha | \amethyst: heh heh -- yeah! |
| 08:25.16 | roland_ | i'll learn about permissions |
| 08:25.17 | xingu | valdyn: swamped == 1.5GB/s |
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| 08:25.44 | xingu | valdyn: still, this is seriously fast stuff by my way of thinking, roll on santa rosa. |
| 08:25.56 | Vasistha | roland_: just so you know -- I have pulled my hair out probably a dozen times over this stuff. You'll get the hang of it eventually |
| 08:25.57 | valdyn | roland_: probably too what a mask is in computers |
| 08:26.00 | \amethyst | ah, so dmask and fmask do work for ntfs? perhaps the mount manpage should be updated |
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| 08:26.36 | roland_ | Vasistha: ok , thanks for mentioning that |
| 08:26.53 | roland_ | it was a pain in the ass (esp, when u dont know what u need to do ) |
| 08:27.08 | roland_ | but very simple when you know |
| 08:27.12 | Vasistha | well, it's a pita exclusively when you don't know what you need to do ;-) |
| 08:27.47 | roland_ | how do i mount ntfs partition under solaris 10 ? |
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| 08:28.15 | Vasistha | probably the same way? |
| 08:28.23 | roland_ | no , the options are different |
| 08:28.28 | Vasistha | or else ask #solaris ? |
| 08:28.30 | xingu | roland_: attach it to a windows box, fire up an nfsd on it... :) |
| 08:28.53 | \amethyst | Does Solaris provide a FUSE-compatible interface yet? |
| 08:29.06 | roland_ | whats fuse |
| 08:29.16 | valdyn | !fuse |
| 08:29.16 | dpkg | from memory, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 08:29.35 | \amethyst | !ntfs-3g |
| 08:29.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
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| 08:30.06 | valdyn | roland_: allows to write a filesystem driver w/o writing kernel code, making it alot easier ( but slower ) |
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| 08:30.08 | xingu | roland_: http://blogs.sun.com/pradhap/entry/mounting_ntfs_partition_in_solaris |
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| 08:31.46 | \amethyst | xingu: that (mount-ntfs) is an interesting approach to putting a filesystem driver in userspace |
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| 08:32.48 | \amethyst | seems like it would add yet another layer of imprecisely-mapped semantics, though |
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| 08:33.35 | GhostlyDeath | !dpkg ipw3945 |
| 08:34.02 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
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| 08:35.24 | liable | there is a factoid for that |
| 08:35.31 | liable | !listkeys 3945 |
| 08:35.32 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3945' by key (2): ipw3945-source ;; ipw3945. |
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| 08:36.31 | liable | !ipw3945 |
| 08:36.32 | dpkg | it has been said that ipw3945 is http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 08:36.32 | GhostlyDeath | I allready private messaged |
| 08:36.32 | liable | why not do that to start with then... |
| 08:36.51 | GhostlyDeath | liable: To show off that I had an Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
| 08:36.54 | GhostlyDeath | j/k |
| 08:37.06 | kerouac | what's the standard way to build sources obtained with aptitude? Is it as simple as untarring the source in /usr/src, and then doing the ./configure && make && make install dance, or is there a special debian step? |
| 08:37.18 | liable | yikes, i would hope that you were kidding :p |
| 08:37.47 | Dewi | I want to hotswap-remove a disk containing LVM2 PVs... is setting the volume group "inactive" enough to safely pull the disk? |
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| 08:38.25 | crazy_penguin | Hello! |
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| 08:39.34 | GhostlyDeath | How could you router!? |
| 08:39.41 | valdyn | lvm supports hotswapping? |
| 08:39.43 | liable | Dewi: depends on the controller afaik |
| 08:39.45 | GhostlyDeath | It just stopped all my connections! |
| 08:40.09 | liable | Dewi: what is it? |
| 08:41.03 | valdyn | Dewi: i dont get how you want to possibly hotswap an lvm disk, raid disks is what you could hotswap |
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| 08:41.56 | \amethyst | kerouac: instead of doing ./configure make make install etc, just do ./debian/rules binary |
| 08:42.05 | \amethyst | kerouac: that will take all the steps to build the binary |
| 08:42.36 | valdyn | Dewi: so.. what is this really about? |
| 08:42.39 | Dewi | liable: it's 1394 |
| 08:42.40 | \amethyst | kerouac: first you should probably do apt-get build-dep <packagename> to make sure you have everything you need to compile it |
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| 08:42.55 | Dewi | liable: so yes... quite hotswappable |
| 08:43.01 | kerouac | \amethyst: ok, cool |
| 08:43.03 | kerouac | thanks! |
| 08:43.07 | \amethyst | kerouac: the "binary" target for debian/rules builds binary packages in ../ |
| 08:43.09 | Dewi | liable: not sure if I'm meant to just... yank it out or what :P |
| 08:43.21 | Dewi | valdyn: see above :P |
| 08:43.28 | \amethyst | kerouac: it's a little unintuitive that it puts them there, but... |
| 08:43.34 | liable | Dewi: then i have misinterpreted your initial question, see valdyn :p |
| 08:43.42 | valdyn | Dewi: just a single disk that uses lvm for its partitioning? |
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| 08:43.48 | kerouac | \amethyst: how do you pass options to the configure script? |
| 08:43.48 | \amethyst | kerouac: actually, if you're not root, you should run that under fakeroot |
| 08:43.52 | Dewi | valdyn: yeah |
| 08:44.03 | valdyn | Dewi: unmount & yank |
| 08:44.10 | kerouac | oh that's right , i forgot i installed fakeroot |
| 08:44.14 | Dewi | valdyn: I've done unmount, vgchange -an |
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| 08:44.23 | k0p | g |
| 08:44.30 | Dewi | valdyn: so it should be pretty safe... I'm more worried the machine might get angry than the state being hurt at this point |
| 08:45.21 | valdyn | Dewi: you could remove the pv |
| 08:45.24 | \amethyst | kerouac: you edit the debian/rules script (it's really a makefile), find the place it calls configure, and edit that |
| 08:45.48 | valdyn | Dewi: or deactivate.. nothing of that should be needed. |
| 08:45.51 | Dewi | valdyn: well... I'll be bringing the disk back again soon enough |
| 08:45.59 | Dewi | valdyn: I just need it for some... hard drive failage on a windows box |
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| 08:46.09 | kerouac | ah- ha! |
| 08:46.40 | valdyn | Dewi: unmount and yank.. |
| 08:46.49 | \amethyst | kerouac: remember the fakeroot when you build the package---otherwise it will likely error out towards the end |
| 08:46.58 | Dewi | valdyn: thanks |
| 08:47.13 | kerouac | thansk \amethyst , I'm doing that now |
| 08:47.22 | valdyn | Dewi: lvm is not really something else than dos partition tables, its just got more features and no bios support |
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| 08:48.07 | \amethyst | kerouac: fakeroot loads a replacement for some system calls to trick programs into thinking they are root, can chown/chmod/etc |
| 08:48.24 | kerouac | it's like a wrapper for chroot? |
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| 08:48.29 | valdyn | no |
| 08:48.32 | Dewi | valdyn: it seems to work nice and easy in debian... getting the mapper to work in other distros can be mildly irritating |
| 08:48.35 | \amethyst | kerouac: the neat thing is, it remembers those fake changes for other programs in the same instance |
| 08:48.45 | kerouac | oh, cool! |
| 08:49.06 | \amethyst | kerouac: useful for building tar files with arbitrary ownerships |
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| 08:49.50 | war | war: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 08:49.53 | war | Proper way to fix? |
| 08:50.12 | liable | try another mirror |
| 08:50.17 | \amethyst | !A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 08:50.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, a70daf536070d3a1 is see http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10285, or see http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html |
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| 08:51.11 | war | thanks |
| 08:51.12 | kerouac | \amethyst: no ./debian/rules file in the tarball |
| 08:51.32 | valdyn | so what |
| 08:51.44 | \amethyst | kerouac: how did you get the source? |
| 08:51.59 | valdyn | !dnm |
| 08:51.59 | dpkg | Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference - if you are a deb-newbie read them in this order, found at http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 08:52.04 | kerouac | aptitude install ap[ache2-sc |
| 08:52.16 | kerouac | aptitude install apache2-src |
| 08:52.25 | Dewi | if I download some source with 'apt-get source', and make some slight modification to suit my needs, what should I do to build a binary package and mark it somehow as my own customised version, so that dpkg doesn't think it's a standard official debian package? |
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| 08:52.36 | valdyn | !info apache2-src |
| 08:52.38 | dpkg | apache2-src: (Apache source code), section devel, is extra. Version: 2.2.3-4 (sid), Packaged size: 6513 kB, Installed size: 6600 kB |
| 08:52.40 | \amethyst | kerouac: instead do apt-get source apache2 |
| 08:52.58 | kerouac | ok |
| 08:53.01 | valdyn | kerouac: that's the source code of apache2, not the source code of the apache2 debian package |
| 08:53.02 | giupy | amule sever still download without a browser opened ? |
| 08:53.02 | kerouac | what's teh difference? |
| 08:53.08 | kerouac | oh |
| 08:53.12 | \amethyst | kerouac: apache2-src is for building third-party apache modules, not for building apache itself |
| 08:53.23 | kerouac | ok, gotcha |
| 08:53.40 | \amethyst | kerouac: it doesn't have the debian infrastructure (though it does have the patches) |
| 08:53.50 | valdyn | kerouac: debian packages are always built from upstream source + debian diff. That diff contains the debian/rules etc aswell |
| 08:54.07 | kerouac | ok, i see |
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| 08:54.20 | \amethyst | apache2-src is there because there's no way to depend on a source package, and it could put its source anywhere |
| 08:54.21 | liable | meh, /. was taken over by wankers so i started reading reddit, now its full of shit. where can a person go to read tech news |
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| 08:55.03 | ma3x | I have the netinst CD of debian. can I somehow install directly sid? (not first etch and then upgrading to sid) |
| 08:55.06 | Dewi | liable: if you want to read wankers who think they are better than slashdotters because their tinfoil hats are shinier, why not read k5! |
| 08:55.09 | \amethyst | kerouac: apt-get source <package> will fetch a bunch of files into ., unpack the original tar.gz, and patch it |
| 08:55.22 | kerouac | ok, sweet |
| 08:55.29 | \amethyst | kerouac: aptitude does not have the "source" command, so it has to be apt-get |
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| 08:55.48 | Dewi | ma3x: I think if you start the installer in 'expert' mode it will ask you. |
| 08:56.11 | Dewi | ma3x: you will still start with *some* bits and pieces from the installer cd you are using, of course |
| 08:56.11 | ma3x | Dewi: that's great, thanks! |
| 08:56.27 | ma3x | sure, I understand |
| 08:56.30 | Dewi | ma3x: so you'll have a few etch bits and pieces |
| 08:57.05 | kerouac | ok, getting my build-deps in order |
| 08:57.08 | ma3x | I just found out that 64 bit system is hated |
| 08:57.09 | Dewi | ma3x: even the full etch install (with no extras) is reasonably minimal anyway, if you run into any problems leaping for sid straight off |
| 08:57.19 | ma3x | no people make flash player for it |
| 08:57.49 | Dewi | ma3x: yeah, unfortunately 64bit hasn't really taken off in a universal sense yet |
| 08:57.56 | ma3x | Dewi: at the installation process it asks if I want to install the base system |
| 08:57.59 | ma3x | should i select that? |
| 08:58.06 | \amethyst | dpkg, .deb is also an ar archive containing control.tar.gz (debian stuff) and data.tar.gz (the files) |
| 08:58.07 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 08:58.11 | Dewi | ma3x: I think you will need it, yeah |
| 08:58.20 | ma3x | ok Dewi thanks, see ya! |
| 08:59.06 | liable | god help us |
| 08:59.17 | valdyn | 64-bit systems work perfectly fine |
| 09:00.25 | Dewi | liable: hey, he asked directly for unstable. I sure don't endorse it. |
| 09:00.40 | Dewi | liable: pity he's gone now so he won't hear me say it |
| 09:00.56 | valdyn | he'll be back at some point, as usual |
| 09:01.01 | liable | Dewi: i am not having a go at you directly, i just recall some of the things that he asks about. |
| 09:02.00 | Dewi | liable: don't worry, I'm very happy that we try to focus on supporting binaries and stable rather than crazy source and foreign packages and bullshit these days. I remember what it was like years ago... ugh |
| 09:02.33 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental |
| 09:03.05 | jetscreamer | and put every untrusted source they can find on google |
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| 09:03.43 | RichiH | erm |
| 09:03.44 | RichiH | richih@equinox ~ % grep -P foo bar |
| 09:03.44 | RichiH | grep: The -P option is not supported |
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| 09:04.30 | valdyn | its not in the manpage either, so? |
| 09:04.35 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: real men get STDs |
| 09:04.43 | jetscreamer | that too |
| 09:05.03 | liable | \amethyst: and remove the warts with sandpaper! |
| 09:05.06 | jetscreamer | i remember that coming up before, the grep -P ... i dont remember the content though |
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| 09:08.05 | \amethyst | RichiH: it was removed again in debian in the version after it was added |
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| 09:08.44 | \amethyst | RichiH: Since grep is in /bin, it can't be linked against libpcre unless it's done statically |
| 09:08.56 | \amethyst | and I guess the maintainer didn't want to statically link |
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| 09:09.31 | rokstar | Hi guys, i need to install debian-sid on a PC, i would like to use the net-installer for sid, where can i found it? On the download iso image page of website the only net-installer is for Etch.... |
| 09:09.31 | \amethyst | RichiH: you could use pcregrep |
| 09:10.08 | liable | !install sid |
| 09:10.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install sid is install testing then upgrade to sid, or if you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 09:10.08 | jetscreamer | rokstar: use a nightly and when it asks, choose sid |
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| 09:10.22 | jetscreamer | busnescard best |
| 09:10.35 | jetscreamer | business |
| 09:10.39 | jetscreamer | busty |
| 09:10.49 | liable | mmm, boobs |
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| 09:11.58 | rokstar | jetscreamer: form this link? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 09:12.09 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 09:12.10 | fplus | I wonder why #hackers has been empty for a while! |
| 09:12.27 | jetscreamer | they got hacked |
| 09:12.32 | RichiH | \amethyst: what was removed? the simple support or some library grep needs? |
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| 09:12.36 | jetscreamer | they hacked each other to death |
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| 09:12.39 | RichiH | \amethyst: and why? |
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| 09:13.12 | \amethyst | RichiH: support for Perl-compatible regular expressions (using the pcre library) was added recently, then removed |
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| 09:13.53 | RichiH | \amethyst: any idea why? |
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| 09:14.23 | mike | Q are updates still filtering through for debian 4.0? |
| 09:14.32 | fplus | I wonder why #hackers has been empty for a while! |
| 09:14.53 | \amethyst | RichiH: two reasons, one formal and one practical. grep is priority required while libpcre3 is priority standard. |
| 09:15.16 | liable | fplus: why are you asking us? |
| 09:15.19 | \amethyst | RichiH: more importantly, libpcre3 is in /usr/lib, but grep is needed early in boot, before /usr is available on some machines |
| 09:15.30 | liable | s/asking/telling/ |
| 09:15.33 | spikeb | mike, security updates. |
| 09:15.47 | mike | oh ok |
| 09:15.51 | Dewi | if I download some source with 'apt-get source', and make some slight modification to suit my needs, what should I do to build a binary package and mark it somehow as my own customised version, so that dpkg doesn't think it's a standard official debian package? |
| 09:16.16 | liable | mike: its just been released, no security updates yet, so thats why you dont get anything for upgrade |
| 09:16.17 | valdyn | Dewi: dpkg make no difference |
| 09:16.19 | liable | bah |
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| 09:16.37 | valdyn | Dewi: dpkg makes no difference between package sources |
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| 09:16.42 | \amethyst | Dewi: add a changelog entry and set the version to something appropriate |
| 09:16.45 | liable | Dewi: iirc its covered in the nmg |
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| 09:17.11 | TonyStark | good morning |
| 09:17.27 | TonyStark | does anybody knows anything about the wii-remote and linux? |
| 09:17.32 | fplus | OMG! KEVIN MITNICK in #HACKERS ! |
| 09:17.36 | Dewi | liable: nmg? |
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| 09:17.44 | fplus | liable, im doing some tests |
| 09:17.46 | liable | Dewi: new maintainers guide |
| 09:17.49 | enouf | !spank fplus |
| 09:17.51 | Dewi | liable: thanks |
| 09:17.59 | fplus | but no one is joining lol |
| 09:18.05 | liable | fplus: please stop spamming us about it |
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| 09:18.18 | valdyn | fplus: maybe because what the media call hackers and hackers are totally different people? |
| 09:18.19 | fplus | liable, channel seems cursed |
| 09:18.32 | ferret_0567 | Do you pure Debian users have svg-utils? I'm using Ubuntu |
| 09:18.43 | \amethyst | Dewi: then to build, it's ./debian/rules binary |
| 09:19.02 | RichiH | \amethyst: hmm, that does make sense, i guess |
| 09:19.15 | Dewi | \amethyst: not dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 09:19.21 | RichiH | \amethyst: so what you are saying is that it will not change any time soon, either? |
| 09:19.23 | enouf | ferret_0567: see for yourself |
| 09:19.32 | enouf | ferret_0567: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:19.40 | ferret_0567 | ok |
| 09:20.06 | enouf | wait --> '"I'm using Ubuntu" <-- go ask #ubuntu |
| 09:20.19 | ferret_0567 | nah |
| 09:20.20 | liable | enouf: he asked if we had it |
| 09:20.27 | Dewi | \amethyst: I might just check out this 'new maintainer's guide' |
| 09:20.29 | enouf | bah |
| 09:20.31 | \amethyst | RichiH: unless the maintainer decides to link statically, or libpcre3 is moved to /lib |
| 09:20.41 | Dewi | \amethyst: I am following a very terse guide in the debian faq... |
| 09:20.50 | spikeb | heh |
| 09:20.56 | spikeb | terse and debian tend to go hand in hand |
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| 09:20.58 | enouf | !tell ferret_0567 -about pdo |
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| 09:21.08 | franzcai | is there sth like apt-spy in debian 4.0? bash tell me that cannot find apt-spy |
| 09:21.20 | liable | yes |
| 09:21.38 | \amethyst | franzcai: it's there |
| 09:21.44 | liable | !installit |
| 09:21.44 | enouf | ferret_0567: if you're not running debian, apt-file wouldn;t make sense , so see p.d.o |
| 09:21.44 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 09:22.19 | ferret_0567 | You guys had a newer version of conky, that was not horribly broken and missing features, I used it back when I was using Edgy, it was a lot better than the n00buntu package |
| 09:22.42 | ferret_0567 | Some packages the Ubuntu MOTU team just screws up on |
| 09:23.05 | liable | fplus: so install debian and shuddup already :P |
| 09:23.08 | RichiH | \amethyst: great, thanks |
| 09:23.21 | fplus | liable, OS is a big issue |
| 09:23.28 | RichiH | \amethyst: i will probably file a bug requesting that the maintainer changes the source to tell people about this |
| 09:23.28 | ferret_0567 | Horribly...cough...cough |
| 09:23.39 | RichiH | \amethyst: or at least link against the bug number |
| 09:23.42 | liable | fplus: ?? |
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| 09:24.03 | fplus | liable, I hate OS i want to run something else |
| 09:24.05 | \amethyst | RichiH: 238237 |
| 09:24.14 | valdyn | !os |
| 09:24.14 | dpkg | operating system is, like, just that, a SYSTEM that lets you OPERATE with your machine. It's NOT a kernel. Linux is a kernel. GNU and GNU/Linux are Operating Systems.. OPENSTEP |
| 09:24.33 | Dewi | fplus: yeah, I prefer talking directly to the BIOS and hardware manually. |
| 09:24.50 | \amethyst | Dewi: you can use dpkg-buildpackage, but that will use the same version number as the sources you downloaded |
| 09:24.51 | Enverex | I've removed all the video drivers from Apt except for one, if I try and remove the last one it wants to remove the entire of XOrg (i assume because it thinks its no-longer needed). How do I tell it that I "want" XOrg? (so I can remove whatever last video driver is holding it in place) |
| 09:24.51 | zoo | hello, is there a native american speaker here? My neighbour says, that in america the word "lite" is the same as the british "light". Is that true or not? |
| 09:24.51 | liable | fplus: i am not sure exactly what your after, but have you realised this channel is for debian help, not general chit chat? |
| 09:25.09 | ferret_0567 | openstep...gah, I tried it, cough, cough, choking...<drops dead> |
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| 09:25.25 | fplus | Dewi, BIOS is the mobo software? |
| 09:25.34 | Enverex | zoo, It is the same |
| 09:25.36 | valdyn | !bios |
| 09:25.36 | dpkg | bios is probably [Basic Input Output System] The part of you system that is responsible for initilizing the various part of a computer when it is booted. Check out LinuxBIOS at http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/ |
| 09:25.41 | liable | Enverex: what good is xorg without a driver? |
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| 09:25.44 | xingu | Enverex: xserver-xorg-video-dummy ? |
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| 09:25.51 | Enverex | liable, I have a manually installed nVidia driver |
| 09:25.51 | \amethyst | Dewi: so first you add a changelog entry and increase the version number. You might want it to be replaced when the next debian version comes out, or maybe not |
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| 09:26.15 | Enverex | xingu, That'd work. Isn't there any way to tell it to keep XOrg though, i.e. mark it as something I want installed? |
| 09:26.35 | hark | xorg is just a metapackage |
| 09:26.35 | xingu | Enverex: you could always install the debianised nvidia driver. |
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| 09:26.46 | enouf | we dumbass americans don;t have a word "lite" |
| 09:26.46 | Enverex | xingu, It's old and broken, so I think I'll pass on that |
| 09:26.53 | valdyn | Enverex: xorg is only a metapackage, its not 'an entire of things' |
| 09:26.54 | xingu | it is? news to me. |
| 09:27.04 | zoo | Enverex: thanks |
| 09:27.07 | liable | why do people *want* to make life hard for themselves? |
| 09:27.08 | enouf | anymore than we do a word "ne1" |
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| 09:27.13 | Enverex | valdyn, True, but it wants to remove all the input drivers too, heh |
| 09:27.29 | valdyn | Enverex: so keep a video driver |
| 09:27.31 | Enverex | liable, I'm just cropping cruft. Knowing how to lock it in place would make life easier |
| 09:27.32 | Dewi | Enverex: how do you expect to run Xorg without any video drivers? |
| 09:27.37 | valdyn | Enverex: or remove it all, whatever |
| 09:27.43 | Enverex | Dewi, I already answered that one |
| 09:27.53 | valdyn | Enverex: xorg with no video drivers is useless so might aswell have no input drivers either |
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| 09:28.13 | Dewi | Enverex: yes, but you seem to want it both ways. |
| 09:28.13 | Enverex | Damn... I answered that. I have MANUALLY INSTALLED THE NVIDIA DRIVERS. Did you see it that time? |
| 09:28.17 | liable | Enverex: even if you hold it, then you dont get upgrades. trying to work around apt is unproductive and leads to much pain |
| 09:28.21 | xingu | so let me get this straight, you want to know how to persuade the debian packaging system to override its own list of dependancies so that you can install a video driver which is likely as not already packaged? |
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| 09:28.31 | Dewi | Enverex: no, you have manually hacked them into place. If they were "installed" then dpkg would know about them |
| 09:28.35 | valdyn | Enverex: your problem, that's not supported by debian. |
| 09:28.39 | enouf | just put it on hold already if you can't deal with the switch to hte modluaroty of the pkgs |
| 09:28.40 | Dewi | Enverex: the consequences of that are your own problem |
| 09:28.45 | enouf | er modularity |
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| 09:28.48 | valdyn | Enverex: easiest solution is the keep a video driver |
| 09:28.54 | Enverex | Dewi, wow... so you never install anything by source, even when the ones in apt are old and broken |
| 09:29.07 | Enverex | liable, hrm, why not? Can't I say "I want XOrg installed" so it should keep it and update it as and when |
| 09:29.08 | Dewi | Enverex: not without putting it in a .deb, no. Not if other packages rely on it |
| 09:29.10 | ferret_0567 | I manually installed the NVIDIA driver too |
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| 09:29.13 | ferret_0567 | It's not supported |
| 09:29.24 | spikeb | Enverex, there is checkinstall for that. |
| 09:29.25 | ferret_0567 | It works fine, though |
| 09:29.27 | Dewi | Enverex: besides... do you have an actual problem here? |
| 09:29.51 | Dewi | Enverex: or are you just wanting to remove "cruft" and somehow have debian know what that is, despite your deliberately misleading the package manager? |
| 09:29.55 | Enverex | Dewi, Yes, but you've been trying so hard to keep telling me everything I'm doing is wrong and that everything isn't supported that you didn't notice |
| 09:29.57 | xingu | # apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-2.6.20.7 | grep Version |
| 09:29.57 | liable | Enverex: no, because apt says 'hrm, if you want xorg, you need this, if you remove 'this' its unhappy and thus make your life so' |
| 09:29.57 | xingu | Version: 1.0.9746-2+20070414 |
| 09:30.02 | \amethyst | Enverex: what's wrong with having the vga driver as a fallback anyway? |
| 09:30.03 | xingu | hmm, old and broken, yes, must be. |
| 09:30.08 | Dewi | Enverex: that I didn't notice what? |
| 09:30.19 | Enverex | xingu, Weird, the newest one showing for me is 8776 |
| 09:30.23 | valdyn | hes probably worried about the huge 14k space the vga driver takes |
| 09:30.28 | spikeb | hmm checkinstall wouldnt work with the nvidia driver heh |
| 09:30.29 | liable | Enverex: dude, just leave one driver ffs |
| 09:30.50 | xingu | Enverex: as the dpkg hint says, there's uprev driver in expermental, and a howto page on how to go git it. |
| 09:30.50 | \amethyst | Enverex: experimental |
| 09:30.53 | RichiH | \amethyst: thanks |
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| 09:31.04 | \amethyst | RichiH: np |
| 09:31.05 | Enverex | Look, for Christs sake. This isn't JUST about leaving one 10k driver in place. It's proof of concept so that I know what to do if something else has the same issue with other packages. |
| 09:31.21 | valdyn | Enverex: there's even a clean solution to save those 14k, but in this case its wasted time |
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| 09:31.31 | Dewi | Enverex: I don't think I missed anything. You are so massively worried about a few kilobytes of disk space taken up by your last correctly installed graphics driver, but for some reason you don't care that you have broken your package manager. Apart from that, you have no problem actually impacting your life. |
| 09:31.37 | xingu | Enverex: but the "issue" is only an "issue" because you've thwarted the dependancy management; xorg depends on a video driver, you need to have one installed to satisfy the dep. |
| 09:31.40 | hark | Enverex: equivs, but meh.. |
| 09:31.49 | \amethyst | RichiH: you could, btw, write a shell script that looks for -P and, depending on whether it is found, runs grep or pcregrep (stripping out the -P in the latter case) |
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| 09:31.51 | xingu | Enverex: any solution to that is codified breakage; the dep is there for a reason. |
| 09:31.52 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 09:31.52 | dpkg | it has been said that equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 09:31.57 | valdyn | Enverex: read ^^^ |
| 09:32.00 | Enverex | Dewi, Stop being stupid, I have not "broken my package manager" just because I installed one thing from source |
| 09:32.10 | valdyn | Enverex: you DID |
| 09:32.16 | valdyn | Enverex: but that's a seperate issue |
| 09:32.17 | Dewi | Enverex: sure you have. The dependancies no longer match the system you are running |
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| 09:32.33 | Enverex | Ok, I'm gone, this channel is no more a help channel than... ugh |
| 09:32.34 | Dewi | Enverex: you can't expect the package manager to magically recover from that and behave in some random way you happen to think is logical |
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| 09:32.39 | valdyn | fixing that nvidia.sh is fucking annoying, even when you know what you're doing |
| 09:33.02 | valdyn | ( even though i probably did that 100 times... ) |
| 09:33.09 | Dewi | valdyn: I'll tell you what's annoying. nVidia full stop. |
| 09:33.16 | valdyn | hehe |
| 09:33.25 | liable | gotta love people that ask for advice and then doggely ignore it |
| 09:33.25 | Dewi | valdyn: I honestly have some difficulty even imaginging caring about 3d support in linux |
| 09:33.36 | liable | +d |
| 09:33.37 | Dewi | valdyn: and yet it's a really really hot issue here. One that we seem to have failed to solve :( |
| 09:33.55 | \amethyst | Dewi: Intel :) |
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| 09:34.03 | xingu | valdyn: almost annoying enough that the debian packages might do well to depend on a "nvidia-remove-b0rken-upstream-source-first-in-preinst" package :) |
| 09:34.03 | Dewi | \amethyst: intel's cards suck though |
| 09:34.05 | liable | Dewi: only among gametards |
| 09:34.15 | valdyn | xingu: yea! |
| 09:34.23 | Dewi | \amethyst: my brother has one on his laptop... has to run hack freeware stuff just to run guild wars (in windows) |
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| 09:35.05 | ferret_0567 | ok, are you talking about Intel or NVIDIA? |
| 09:35.10 | Dewi | liable: thing is... if you care enough about games to fight with nvidia drivers that much, you'd think you would care enough to just buy a copy of winxp. I did.... |
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| 09:35.28 | liable | Dewi: ding ding ding |
| 09:35.28 | Dewi | liable: then again, I have had people tell me that by using XP instead of wine I am "giving the evil monopoly what it wants" |
| 09:35.46 | xingu | survey data is bung; only folk with problems complain. |
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| 09:35.51 | liable | Dewi: i have no idea why its such an issue, but some people *must* have it |
| 09:36.00 | peterS | Dewi: intel has cards? |
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| 09:36.09 | ferret_0567 | No |
| 09:36.10 | enouf | "proprietary" hardware and binary blobs sucks ass |
| 09:36.12 | \amethyst | peterS: onboard |
| 09:36.19 | ferret_0567 | They have little chips |
| 09:36.24 | peterS | \amethyst: that doesn't quite fit my definition of a "card" |
| 09:36.24 | Dewi | peterS: intel has the only "serious" 3d cards with open drivers |
| 09:36.26 | enouf | er s/sucks/suck ;-) |
| 09:36.27 | ferret_0567 | onboard junk |
| 09:36.33 | liable | ohnos, dont get enouf started on intel again |
| 09:36.35 | Dewi | peterS: oh. right :P |
| 09:36.40 | peterS | Dewi: I thought they only made motherboard chips |
| 09:36.55 | xingu | motherboard chips that hammer your memory bus to buggery when they're lit. |
| 09:36.58 | peterS | though I heard a rumor once that they might start making actual graphics cards |
| 09:37.01 | liable | peterS: dict anal :P |
| 09:37.10 | Dewi | peterS: you stand out as a pedant even in this channel, and that's really breathtaking :) |
| 09:37.11 | enouf | peterS: i've been saying that for years to certain channel denizens, but deaf ears it falls upon <sigh> |
| 09:37.18 | xingu | wake me up when there's an intel engine with vram |
| 09:37.19 | enouf | well .. not years ;-P |
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| 09:37.41 | enouf | liable: and you're one of thoise IIRC :-P |
| 09:37.48 | peterS | Dewi, liable: it's an important distinction, actually. there are quite a few of us who, because of Intel's excellent Linux support, would like to buy Intel graphics cards. but we can't, except by buying Intel motherboards or laptops with Intel graphics integrated |
| 09:37.55 | enouf | Onboard !=Card |
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| 09:38.03 | liable | peterS: ack |
| 09:38.16 | Dewi | peterS: true. and then you're stuck with shitty BLOB based wifi |
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| 09:38.19 | Dewi | peterS: so everybody loses |
| 09:38.20 | liable | enouf: one of what? |
| 09:38.21 | peterS | I try not to be that pedantic on issues where it doesn't matter, but on this one I think it does |
| 09:38.33 | xingu | now an intel mxm module with vram, that would give me wood |
| 09:39.20 | enouf | liable: thinks that intel makes video cards .. but maybe i'm mistaken |
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| 09:39.31 | liable | unfortunately, wifi is a issue where theres outside factors |
| 09:39.38 | markybob | thank goodness...a night without ubd....the gods must favor us tonight ;) |
| 09:39.44 | liable | enouf: erm, yes, your mistaken |
| 09:39.56 | enouf | ok .. my bad then ;-) |
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| 09:40.05 | peterS | markybob: the night is young. last time I banned him was like 22 or 23 hours ago, not a full 24 hours ago |
| 09:40.08 | xingu | enouf: they did once, there were i740's about the place in spades |
| 09:40.13 | enouf | !be xingu barbie |
| 09:40.13 | dpkg | xingu is hard! |
| 09:40.21 | liable | enouf: i was aware of peterS's comments re cards, thats why the anal comment :P |
| 09:40.30 | peterS | enouf: way TMI |
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| 09:40.30 | enouf | heh |
| 09:40.34 | markybob | peterS: ah...good thing i just took my ambien, then. i'll be passed out shortly :) |
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| 09:41.21 | peterS | markybob: I should pass out too, actually. if ubd does show up, tell him from me that he needs to stay on topic for once, where on topic doesn't count "masturbsd > debian" |
| 09:41.22 | RichiH | \amethyst: depending on the set up of $PATH, one could put a second grep into /usr/bin, too |
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| 09:41.31 | enouf | liable: there's a few locals here that think differently, and once you mentioned "ohnoes .. blah intel thing", i thought you were one of those bandwagoneers |
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| 09:41.46 | markybob | peterS: will do |
| 09:42.04 | spikeb | yeah wifi does seem to be an area with outside factors, mainly the law. sigh. |
| 09:42.14 | triplc | what is usb ram stick device in etch? please help. I check /dev/sda /dev/sdb but they do not exist |
| 09:42.22 | liable | enouf: no, that was in response to a rant i saw here quite a whils ago by you in regards to binary blobs |
| 09:42.37 | \amethyst | triplc: look in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 09:42.42 | triplc | what is usb ram stick device in etch? please help. I check /dev/usbdev* does not work |
| 09:42.42 | liable | enouf: which has nothing to do with intel graphics |
| 09:42.42 | peterS | I don't buy that. I think the wifi vendors are making excuses. they could comply with the FCC without binary blobs if they really wanted |
| 09:42.43 | enouf | liable: my whole "older" intel argument, was entirely based upon the facct that others were using an unsustainable, and indefensible "Apples v Oranges" argument |
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| 09:42.52 | \amethyst | triplc: is there anything there that has "usb" in the name? |
| 09:43.03 | enouf | liable: get it? |
| 09:43.06 | spikeb | it's not worth the effort for them to do so. |
| 09:43.07 | enouf | got it? |
| 09:43.09 | enouf | good |
| 09:43.13 | liable | no? |
| 09:43.29 | triplc | \amethyst: yes, "ls /dev/" gives results a bundle of usb* |
| 09:43.37 | \amethyst | triplc: look in /dev/disk/by-id/ |
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| 09:44.47 | enouf | Video Cards == Apples , and Onboard Crap == Oranges ..(or was it Orangutangs) |
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| 09:44.51 | liable | peterS: you really think so? do you know the ins and outs of the whole fcc certification thing? |
| 09:44.52 | posterdati | hi |
| 09:45.17 | triplc | \amethyst: just check (using cfdisk) and i see that all things in /dev/disk/by-id is hard disk and it's partitions |
| 09:45.32 | Dewi | liable: do other vendors open source their wifi drivers? |
| 09:45.36 | enouf | triplc: dmesg | tail and lshal | grep block.device |
| 09:45.46 | Dewi | liable: I thought some did |
| 09:45.50 | peterS | liable: I do not. but if you're thinking this is the same situation as the ISDN line drivers, it is not. for ISDN you are required to use a certified driver. notice how that is not true of the wifi drivers. |
| 09:45.54 | Dewi | liable: maybe they are not american companies of course |
| 09:45.59 | spikeb | ralink does. |
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| 09:46.02 | spikeb | they're not american though |
| 09:46.25 | triplc | thanks, i think i see it now |
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| 09:46.40 | \amethyst | ralink has an office in cupertino |
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| 09:46.52 | \amethyst | they're based overseas |
| 09:46.53 | triplc | /dev/disk/by-id/usb* <-- yes it has |
| 09:46.55 | triplc | thanks |
| 09:47.25 | peterS | liable: I don't see why it is Intel's responsibility to prevent hackers from tuning their wifi cards in violation of FCC regs. they can't really prevent that anyway. people will figure out what coefficients to tweak to get a stronger-than-legal signal even if they have to reverse-engineer hex blobs |
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| 09:47.38 | liable | peterS: this is actually something that really interests me, and all i here is heresay on the issue, both from vendors and people here |
| 09:47.53 | \amethyst | triplc: that's a symlink to the real device, which might change from one instance to the next |
| 09:48.00 | enouf | what about theresay? |
| 09:48.01 | spikeb | i have to agree with peterS on that, logically. |
| 09:48.02 | liable | peterS: atheros is another example who has a huge user base |
| 09:48.23 | jjj_uk | Hi folks - just uninstalled ispconfig and seem to have broken php |
| 09:48.33 | jjj_uk | when I go to a mediawiki site on the server |
| 09:48.35 | peterS | liable: if it's really Intel's responsibility to prevent people from tuning their cards out of spec, they need to manufacture chips that are not capable of transmitting out of spec. a firmware file that tells the chip to please behave is a poor substitute |
| 09:48.39 | jjj_uk | I hust see loats of code |
| 09:48.44 | enouf | huge user base ! = smart herd |
| 09:48.45 | jjj_uk | *lots |
| 09:48.56 | enouf | huge user base == sheeple |
| 09:48.57 | Dewi | jjj_uk: ispconfig isn't part of debian, is it? |
| 09:49.09 | jjj_uk | that's why i removed it |
| 09:49.09 | Dewi | jjj_uk: difficult to predict what it might have done |
| 09:49.10 | triplc | \amethyst: thanks, |
| 09:49.12 | liable | enouf: shuddup |
| 09:49.15 | jjj_uk | a2enmod php4 |
| 09:49.15 | jjj_uk | This module is already enabled! |
| 09:49.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 09:49.19 | Dewi | jjj_uk: do you have php installed? |
| 09:49.24 | jjj_uk | so surely.. |
| 09:49.25 | jjj_uk | yes |
| 09:49.28 | enouf | !fruitsmite liable |
| 09:49.32 | obsethryl | lol, enouf is an amazingly amusing character |
| 09:49.37 | Dewi | jjj_uk: do you have more than one apache install somehow? |
| 09:49.39 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know how to load a file into a hash variable in Perl? |
| 09:49.44 | liable | peterS: once again, is this not part of new fcc regs?? do you know for sure? |
| 09:49.48 | Dewi | jjj_uk: do you have an AddHandler line in your apache config? |
| 09:49.49 | spikeb | erm. that's amusing? |
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| 09:49.59 | jjj_uk | bingo! no I don't |
| 09:50.13 | jjj_uk | what should the AddHandler line say? |
| 09:50.27 | liable | peterS: i guess it comes down to cost in the end |
| 09:50.32 | obsethryl | spikeb: his jumping into conclusions and being dogmatic about things he shares a vague relation with... |
| 09:50.38 | liable | and blobs are cheap |
| 09:50.41 | enouf | and obsethryl is a lot of fun to toy with |
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| 09:50.57 | spikeb | obsethryl, reminds me of poltiics. i spend enough time dealing with that :P |
| 09:51.03 | Dewi | jjj_uk: sorry I meant addtype. |
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| 09:51.09 | peterS | liable: maybe it is and maybe it isn't. however. _if_ the FCC requires the vendor to prevent unauthorized transmitting, Intel isn't doing a very good job if all they do is provide a hard-to-reverse-engineer driver. because someone will reverse engineer it anyway, at least enough to get a stronger signal, because people like that. _if_ the FCC does not mandate this requirement, then Intel is just making excuses for ... |
| 09:51.16 | peterS | ... why they can't open up their IP. I believe the latter, but who knows. |
| 09:51.19 | Dewi | jjj_uk: do you have a php4.conf in your /etc/apache2/mod-enabled ? |
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| 09:51.53 | obsethryl | spikeb: yesterday i was kind of angry at him, because he insisted of me being incapable of changing desktop bacgrounds to backgrounds i had not install, really amusing indeed. |
| 09:51.57 | jjj_uk | I don't Dewi |
| 09:52.04 | spikeb | heh |
| 09:52.05 | jjj_uk | but I'm using apache |
| 09:52.06 | Dewi | jjj_uk: what about in mods-available? |
| 09:52.08 | obsethryl | how can you change something to somethign that does not exist lol |
| 09:52.11 | jjj_uk | hmmm |
| 09:52.22 | jjj_uk | nope |
| 09:52.30 | jjj_uk | both empty |
| 09:52.31 | peterS | jjj_uk: you say apache but a2enmod applies to apache2. make up your mind. |
| 09:52.32 | liable | obsethryl: you will meet lots of people here that annoy you, just ignore if they get you upset |
| 09:52.32 | Dewi | jjj_uk: maybe for continued peace and harmony you should try reinstalling the php4 package |
| 09:52.38 | jjj_uk | oohhh |
| 09:52.47 | jjj_uk | I have reinstalled it |
| 09:52.51 | jjj_uk | twice now |
| 09:52.55 | enouf | obsethryl: no .. you chose to not learn how to build your own customized pkgs using source |
| 09:52.56 | Dewi | jjj_uk: are you using apache or apache2? |
| 09:52.57 | obsethryl | liable: yeah i know, it is just that i am getting old I guess and i have low tollerance (Which is a paradox) |
| 09:53.00 | peterS | jjj_uk: and mod_php4 in apache2 requires apache2-mpm-prefork, in case you aren't using that |
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| 09:53.12 | robin_sz | peterS, a better solution would be to limit the maximum power in hardware, blowing some mask rom fuses before shiping to $countryOfDestination |
| 09:53.20 | jjj_uk | I didn't realise a3enmod was foe apache2 |
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| 09:53.26 | jjj_uk | I am defo using apache1 |
| 09:53.32 | enouf | and insinuated that the kde binaries from Debian were broken |
| 09:53.38 | peterS | robin_sz: yes, quite. if it's _really_ their responsibility to play nanny and prevent users from doing illegal things, then they should do it in hardware. |
| 09:53.39 | jjj_uk | (a2enmod) |
| 09:53.42 | obsethryl | enouf: no comment, offtopic, simply wrong, and you will not get any other reply for me. Just think before you speak, and if you don't you will be getting your lesson from life anyway. |
| 09:53.45 | Dewi | jjj_uk: I'm not sure how that is laid out on disk |
| 09:53.58 | Dewi | jjj_uk: anyway, you will need some kind of addtype or addhandler for the php mime type |
| 09:54.08 | Dewi | jjj_uk: I've been in apache2 for so long now |
| 09:54.11 | jjj_uk | does that do in httpd.conf? |
| 09:54.13 | enouf | for which i bitchslapped you around a bit with a trout |
| 09:54.21 | Dewi | jjj_uk: yes, or whatever other config files are linked in to it |
| 09:54.22 | obsethryl | kde binaries were not broken, but i presume you lack understanding of the fact that kde packages do not include gnome wallpapers |
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| 09:54.34 | \amethyst | peterS: http://frwebgate2.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=148477446077+31+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve |
| 09:54.36 | Dewi | jjj_uk: in apache2 package the conf file is split across a lot of files |
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| 09:54.55 | \amethyst | peterS: 47 CFR §15.15b |
| 09:55.02 | larsl | Hm, the update notifier tells me that there is a new version of libgcrypt11 to install, but it doesn't recognise the signature. What's the procedure for installing new keys again? I don't want to install cryptography libraries without checking the signature. |
| 09:55.02 | enouf | and the fat you would think it did, show's you lack of intellect |
| 09:55.06 | enouf | er fact |
| 09:55.07 | peterS | dude, WAIS? in 2007? |
| 09:55.07 | larsl | I do have the "2006 key". |
| 09:55.09 | obsethryl | no, you did enouf |
| 09:55.11 | jjj_uk | I'll have a bit of a play - thanks Dewi.... (my apache1 is split up as well - I'll try the vhosts in cond.d first) |
| 09:55.12 | enouf | -' |
| 09:55.12 | robin_sz | peterS, while I am sure you are a responsible person, there are other, selfish peope out there who don't care if they screw up their neighbours so long as THEIR wifi or wahtever works, so, its not being nanny, its just making it harder for the selfish ones. |
| 09:55.13 | \amethyst | peterS: is probably what they are citing, though I don't know whether that would really apply to software |
| 09:55.15 | obsethryl | you constantly did and still do |
| 09:55.18 | \amethyst | peterS: note the .gov :) |
| 09:55.18 | enouf | +r |
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| 09:55.34 | \amethyst | peterS: that would explain the 1980s technology |
| 09:55.39 | obsethryl | so you are a fun person to watch, only reason why you are not on ignore right now, is that i need a good entertainer |
| 09:55.41 | Dewi | jjj_uk: in apache2 package the addtype is in php4.conf under mods-available, and there is a symlink from mods-enabled to enable it |
| 09:55.45 | obsethryl | :) |
| 09:55.52 | esters | Nvidia driver problem : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=14194 |
| 09:56.09 | enouf | obsethryl: i love toying with the mice .. and you are being good sport .. thank you |
| 09:56.44 | jjj_uk | do you recall the apache1 equivalent Dewi? |
| 09:56.44 | peterS | robin_sz: if you're going to prevent the sale of wifi devices because they can be tuned out of spec, you should probably prevent the sale of general-purpose computers because they can be used for child porn |
| 09:56.44 | obsethryl | enouf: thank you for your ignorance, leaves us more place to be smart at |
| 09:56.45 | Dewi | larsl: there's a 2007 key and an etch release key. upgrade debian-archive-keyring |
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| 09:57.01 | liable | wont somebody think of the children! |
| 09:57.10 | Dewi | jjj_uk: no, you'll have to investigate the structure you have. If there is a conf.d I guess it will be there it should go |
| 09:57.12 | enouf | obsethryl: and please do NOT interfere/interject into my discussions with other channel members in the future .. plz k thx |
| 09:57.24 | Dewi | jjj_uk: it doesn't *really* matter where you put it - I'm just thinking of peace and harmony here :P |
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| 09:57.33 | obsethryl | enouf: no need to, you are making them laugh on your own allready since you are always wrong :) |
| 09:57.35 | robin_sz | peterS, I careth not what people do in their own homes, but out of spec wifi knows no boundaries |
| 09:57.40 | peterS | robin_sz: it's the gun control argument all over again (: |
| 09:57.40 | \amethyst | peterS: The difference is the wifi these days is in licensed spectrum |
| 09:57.41 | larsl | Dewi: "debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version." |
| 09:57.50 | enouf | obsethryl: and yet, you wear the egg .. |
| 09:57.57 | larsl | Dewi: I'm using Lenny, by the way. |
| 09:58.11 | liable | oi, you two! obsethryl and enouf stop it |
| 09:58.14 | obsethryl | enouf: thank you for being ignorant again, it leaves us much more free space to explor :) |
| 09:58.16 | valdyn | esters: how did you install the nvidia driver? |
| 09:58.22 | Enverex | Dewi, For the record, I'm using a self built driver rather than the slightly older one in Apt as I'm a tester for Wine and different nVidia drivers cause different issues with graphics so I need to know what they are and what causes them. |
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| 09:58.29 | obsethryl | enouf: oh, i guess you are used to putting things in your mouth ? |
| 09:58.32 | peterS | obsethryl. enouf. enough. |
| 09:58.34 | Dewi | obsethryl: please get on topic or at least stop being so pleased with yourself |
| 09:58.41 | enouf | %fist obsethryl |
| 09:58.53 | Dewi | enouf: that's not helping |
| 09:58.56 | enouf | ok peterS |
| 09:59.12 | peterS | especially you, obsethryl, you seem obsessed with proving how amusing enouf is. which got old about 10 minutes ago. |
| 09:59.17 | robin_sz | ohffs we need another fscking bot? someone kick ban that badgers thing please |
| 09:59.30 | valdyn | @hi |
| 09:59.32 | ravenbird | Many greetings, valdyn, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 09:59.33 | \amethyst | obsethryl, enouf: are you two dating? |
| 09:59.33 | peterS | robin_sz: badgers has been around for years, you just normally don't notice it |
| 09:59.48 | peterS | \amethyst: don't feed the energy beasts |
| 09:59.54 | \amethyst | good point |
| 09:59.55 | robin_sz | I wish I noticed it less, wait, I'll /ignore it |
| 09:59.56 | xand | \amethyst: no theyre married ;) |
| 10:00.05 | Dewi | larsl: oh. damn. well... you might need to integrate the key manually using apt-key and gpg stuffs. ask the bot about 'no public key' |
| 10:00.13 | obsethryl | Dewi: peterS: he is just a kid i guess and i am not tollerant of his behaviour, since nobody ever does anything about that kind of stuff in irc channels. |
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| 10:00.23 | peterS | I said drop it already |
| 10:00.37 | enouf | !customer |
| 10:00.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 10:00.40 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:00.43 | Dewi | lucky we're tolerant of terrible spelling |
| 10:00.52 | valdyn | esters: nvidia's installer may put drivers into the wrong place, so i need to know how you installed it |
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| 10:01.00 | liable | otherwise i would have been kicked long ago |
| 10:01.25 | Enverex | valdyn, I installed 9755 without issue |
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| 10:02.02 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.08 | larsl | Dewi: I did that, it only mentions the 2006 key which didn't help. |
| 10:02.12 | Dewi | Enverex: there's nothing wrong with installing your own stuff. And when you do install your own stuff, it is possible to do it with the package manager's consent. And even if you don't do that, it's okay too, as long as you don't then expect the package manager to magically know what you're doing. |
| 10:02.25 | valdyn | Enverex: it did put drivers in /usr/X11R6/lib/ here, which is wrong |
| 10:02.46 | Dewi | larsl: well, when apt complains it should be spitting out that hex string which identifies the 2007 key |
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| 10:02.58 | Dewi | larsl: other than that identifier the process should be similar |
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| 10:03.27 | esters | valdyn: the first method |
| 10:03.30 | Enverex | Dewi, Oh I never expected it to, I just thought it was weird that I can't say "Please keep XOrg installed" (without having to install something that depended on it to hold it in place). I remember on Gentoo if something was installed as a dep originally and you wanted to mark it as something you want to keep installed, you could. |
| 10:03.37 | esters | in the link |
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| 10:03.42 | Enverex | valdyn, What versions is he/she using? |
| 10:03.43 | valdyn | esters: first? what's 'first method' ? |
| 10:04.02 | cachoo | I am working on a script which will be installing few packages using apt-get, but I don't want debconf to showup and irritate the user asking questions. |
| 10:04.03 | larsl | Dewi: apt-get doesn't say anything about the key. |
| 10:04.06 | \amethyst | Enverex: that's not the dependency problem |
| 10:04.12 | larsl | Except that the packages can not be authenticated. |
| 10:04.14 | Dewi | Enverex: there might be some way you could break the dependancy, but in general that seems like a worse breakage than just keeping one redundant vga driver installed. |
| 10:04.16 | esters | valdyn: with module assistant / debian binary |
| 10:04.23 | cachoo | what config file should I edit to change the behavious of debconf |
| 10:04.31 | Dewi | larsl: does apt-get update throw any errors? |
| 10:04.36 | valdyn | esters: ok, tell us what you did, guess you missed one step |
| 10:04.37 | Enverex | Dewi, True. I guess I'm just anal about everything being neat and tidy. |
| 10:04.40 | Dewi | larsl: or warnings |
| 10:04.44 | \amethyst | Enverex: the problem is xserver-xorg depends on xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 10:05.01 | \amethyst | Enverex: So the xserver-xorg package requires at least one video driver package be installed |
| 10:05.02 | valdyn | Enverex: use equivs |
| 10:05.10 | larsl | Dewi: Nope. |
| 10:05.10 | Enverex | Ah |
| 10:05.15 | Dewi | Enverex: if you want to be really anal, learn how to package your nvidia driver so it will provide the dependancy :) |
| 10:05.18 | Enverex | so it's the opposite way around from what I thought it was |
| 10:05.25 | larsl | Dewi: Ah. After an apt-get update everything seems to work. |
| 10:05.28 | larsl | Sorry. |
| 10:05.35 | Dewi | larsl: np |
| 10:05.50 | larsl | Why doesn't the update notifier do that automatically though? |
| 10:06.15 | esters | valdyn: i followed the instructions in this page http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/152/212/ "The Debian way with module-assistant" |
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| 10:06.27 | Dewi | larsl: you mean that graphical thing? I dunno, probably for speed reasons |
| 10:06.35 | valdyn | esters: i'd rather see you type what commands you entered |
| 10:06.38 | Dewi | larsl: and control |
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| 10:06.52 | valdyn | esters: rather than read that whole article and pull answers out of your nose |
| 10:06.58 | valdyn | esters: lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 10:07.06 | Enverex | Dewi, What you said suddenly makes sense. I thought Xorg was depended on by the video drivers when it's XOrg that depends on at least one video driver. Heh, figures. |
| 10:07.11 | valdyn | esters: ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so |
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| 10:07.42 | Dewi | Enverex: yeah. look into packaging your custom stuff, or investigate that "equivs" people recommended to you |
| 10:07.49 | Dewi | Enverex: I don't build a lot of stuff so I don't know much about it |
| 10:07.51 | esters | valdyn: ls: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/nvidia_drv.so: No such file or directory |
| 10:07.58 | esters | lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 10:07.58 | esters | nvidia 4549908 0 |
| 10:07.59 | esters | agpgart 29896 1 nvidia |
| 10:07.59 | esters | i2c_core 19680 2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2 |
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| 10:07.59 | valdyn | esters: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 10:08.02 | \amethyst | Enverex: when I have dependency problems, I find that aptitude is a good program for browsing the dependency graph |
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| 10:08.15 | valdyn | esters: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 10:08.33 | esters | ii nvidia-glx 1.0.8776-4 NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver |
| 10:08.40 | esters | have it already |
| 10:08.50 | Enverex | \amethyst, I really can't figure Aptitude out at all, it's got the most bizarre interface ever... |
| 10:08.57 | valdyn | esters: youre on which debian release? |
| 10:09.03 | Dewi | ack |
| 10:09.04 | esters | valdyn: Sid aka unstable |
| 10:09.12 | valdyn | esters: apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx |
| 10:09.35 | esters | valdyn: brb |
| 10:09.43 | Dewi | all the stupid stuff I say here will be archived forever |
| 10:09.48 | Dewi | it makes me want to be sick |
| 10:09.56 | valdyn | esters: i dont have this driver, so paste the output of 'dpkg -L nvidia-glx' on a paste site if above apt-get command does not fix your issue |
| 10:09.59 | Anders | anyone logging this channel would fill up their hdd's after some time |
| 10:10.14 | Dewi | Anders: I've been logging it for a few years |
| 10:10.15 | valdyn | Anders: not really |
| 10:10.23 | Anders | it was an exaggeration |
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| 10:10.39 | Anders | they do get big though |
| 10:10.56 | Dewi | Anders: 752M 2007-04-21 20:10 ./irc/current/freenode/#debian.log |
| 10:11.06 | \amethyst | Enverex: you could get the .9746 source package from experimental, replace the .run it contains with the .9755 one, and build binary packages from that |
| 10:11.06 | esters | sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx didn't work |
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| 10:11.17 | esters | shows the same error |
| 10:11.23 | Enverex | \amethyst, True... |
| 10:11.32 | \amethyst | Enverex: If it works (which depends on the extent of the changes between the two versions), it will make dpkg happy |
| 10:11.35 | valdyn | esters: do what i said above then |
| 10:11.43 | Enverex | \amethyst, Although they are about to release 100.xx.xx now, heh |
| 10:12.20 | quitte_ | Enverex: you could also try searching snapshot.debian.net |
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| 10:14.22 | giupy | how to share a folder under a router between two debian ? |
| 10:15.20 | navaladi | hi friends, i m getting this error while running one software.."Warning: Cannot find callback list in XtAddCallback" |
| 10:15.22 | esters | valdyn: what exacly ? |
| 10:15.22 | valdyn | giupy: for which purpose? |
| 10:15.27 | \amethyst | giupy: with a network filesystem. CIFS (samba), NFS, and Coda are popular ones |
| 10:15.32 | navaladi | I thk it uses motif. |
| 10:15.37 | valdyn | esters: the whole output of 'dpkg -L nvidia-glx' |
| 10:15.40 | \amethyst | giupy: if you don't need speed, sshfs is easy to set up |
| 10:15.46 | navaladi | what should i do to overcome.?pls |
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| 10:15.50 | valdyn | !paste |
| 10:15.50 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 10:16.00 | giupy | for share an amule folder an open/wite on it |
| 10:16.08 | giupy | i need speed |
| 10:16.22 | esters | valdyn: http://pastebin.se/13943 |
| 10:17.17 | \amethyst | giupy: CIFS (samba) is probably one of the easiest to set up, but NFS has a long history in the Unix world |
| 10:17.34 | valdyn | esters: does not make sense that 'ls -l /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o' does not show a file, try again |
| 10:17.50 | giupy | so what? :) |
| 10:17.57 | navaladi | I m using Debian 3.1 |
| 10:17.59 | esters | valdyn: now it shows |
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| 10:18.06 | \amethyst | giupy: Do you have Windows computers too? |
| 10:18.08 | valdyn | esters: so restart X |
| 10:18.25 | giupy | \amethyst: no, 2 debian, one sid, one sarge |
| 10:18.25 | navaladi | While running that tool, i m getting that error.. |
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| 10:18.57 | valdyn | scanf: if you used the nvidia installer from nvidia.com, that's expected |
| 10:19.17 | yos872 | hi |
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| 10:19.54 | \amethyst | giupy: I'd probably go with NFS myself |
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| 10:20.36 | giupy | \amethyst: hm, i need kernel support tight ? |
| 10:20.39 | giupy | right |
| 10:20.46 | yos872 | I have question, I have intel Mainboard , when installing debian, i have error 'no partitional media were found' someone can help me? |
| 10:20.54 | valdyn | giupy: nope |
| 10:21.15 | giupy | valdyn: oh well, i didn't want to recompile |
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| 10:21.36 | valdyn | yos872: which debian release? |
| 10:21.40 | esters | valdyn: does not work, shows the same error |
| 10:21.51 | yos872 | valdyn: 3.1 r0t |
| 10:21.52 | enouf | yos872: what chipset and which controller(s) are your HDDs attached to (sata ? or pata?) |
| 10:21.56 | valdyn | yos872: use etch |
| 10:22.13 | enouf | ack |
| 10:22.15 | \amethyst | giupy: debian has kernel support |
| 10:22.23 | yos872 | enouf: seagate , sata harddisk 500 gb |
| 10:22.30 | giupy | \amethyst: but i use a recompiled kernel |
| 10:22.32 | valdyn | esters: paste the log on a paste site /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:22.34 | enouf | yos872: try etch as suggested |
| 10:22.49 | \amethyst | giupy: Now you see why we recommend against that :) |
| 10:22.50 | obsethryl | thank you peterS |
| 10:23.19 | yos872 | enouf: I'm download the netinst now, But where is the problem from? the hdd? or the main bard? or because sata? it works fine with windows |
| 10:23.32 | esters | valdyn: http://pastebin.se/13944 |
| 10:23.33 | enouf | sata controller support likely |
| 10:23.42 | enouf | yos872: sata controller support likely |
| 10:23.49 | valdyn | yos872: from that disk controller being newer than sarge, so sarge can hardly have a driver |
| 10:23.54 | enouf | !tell yos872 about nie |
| 10:24.11 | enouf | !tell yos872 about dbse |
| 10:24.14 | giupy | \amethyst: i use an old pc, that was the best solution |
| 10:24.54 | valdyn | esters: funny, that log shows you using the VESA driver |
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| 10:25.05 | yos872 | enouf, valdyn: I hope it to work with deb 4.0 because I assemble the new pc to run debian on it !! |
| 10:25.13 | esters | valdyn: at the moment yes |
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| 10:25.51 | enouf | yos872: should work the charm ;-) .. read the articles dpkg pointed you too .. |
| 10:25.51 | giupy | i think i must use samba |
| 10:26.09 | valdyn | esters: you claimed you had the SAME ERROR ( which it is not ), you claimed that you were using the nvidia driver ( which you are not ) |
| 10:26.10 | blazemonger | i have this intel soundmax 4 i8x0 card and i can't get the synth device or the midi to work |
| 10:26.34 | yos872 | enouf: I hope so, Thank you ! |
| 10:26.35 | blazemonger | the drivers on their site are binary drivers but they are for redhat&suse |
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| 10:27.05 | enouf | yos872: if for some odd reason it doesn't we'll need hte exact Intel Chipset . and exactly which controller the Sata drive(s) are hooked into (ICH Intel, Sil, Jmicron, etc) |
| 10:27.16 | enouf | yos872: no prob ;-) |
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| 10:27.51 | blazemonger | D865PERL |
| 10:27.51 | valdyn | esters: paste the log when using nvidia driver and your xorg.conf on that paste site. I'll look at those after i have eaten |
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| 10:27.59 | uruclef | hi all |
| 10:28.41 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! I ran apt-get upgrade, and one of the packages failed to, well, go all the way, so now dpkg -l lists it in the "iFR" state. Unfortunately, all the other packages are now in the "iU" state, but I can't get them to complete installation, because of the one package. I can't remove the problematic package either, because it wants me to reinstall it first. How can I complete my upgrade ? |
| 10:29.06 | yos872 | enouf: on the mainboard cd written Intel D945GCCR |
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| 10:29.31 | enouf | yos872: ok .. that's the motherboard/mainboard Model # |
| 10:29.32 | yos872 | enouf: if it doesn't, you think I need to change the mainboard? |
| 10:29.35 | blazemonger | 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC97 Audio Controller97 Audio Controller |
| 10:29.42 | Dewi | _|Nix|_: solve the problem with the package |
| 10:29.54 | enouf | yos872: The psecifications are in the mainboard's manual or online |
| 10:30.05 | enouf | er specifications* |
| 10:30.26 | enouf | yos872: it doesn't what? |
| 10:30.35 | blazemonger | where an i get specification of my mobo's online |
| 10:30.37 | enouf | oh work? .. it will ;-) |
| 10:30.41 | blazemonger | i dont have manual |
| 10:30.52 | enouf | go online and grab it |
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| 10:31.04 | blazemonger | <-- wantz to have midi in linux so he can use rosegarden |
| 10:31.17 | _|Nix|_ | Dewi: Well, the problem itself is kinda weird: It says incredible things like "grep: command not found" and "sed: command not found" when trying to run an init script. I have no idea where to even begin ... I mean, what if the replacement init script accidentally clears the PATH or something ? |
| 10:31.27 | Dewi | blazemonger: a software synth might sound at least as good as your cheap sound device would |
| 10:31.28 | enouf | googling for make/model and spoecifying PDF usually hits it quickly |
| 10:31.28 | kerouac | w00 |
| 10:31.29 | yos872 | enouf: i mean if i try deb 4 and still have the same problem, I wlll need to change the motherbaord? |
| 10:31.34 | Gnea | blazemonger: try their website |
| 10:31.41 | Dewi | blazemonger: linux probably has software synths available somewhere |
| 10:31.43 | enouf | yos872: no .. you shouldn't need to at all .. |
| 10:31.51 | enouf | yos872: it'll work ;-) |
| 10:31.51 | blazemonger | i have |
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| 10:32.00 | \amethyst | _|Nix|_: what does echo $PATH say |
| 10:32.04 | enouf | yos872: it just works[tm] ;-0 |
| 10:32.07 | _|Nix|_ | Dewi: Of course, grep and sed and Co. are just fine ... |
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| 10:32.15 | blazemonger | the driver intel has for my audio card is this .sh file anddd it5 has all this binary stuff in it |
| 10:32.23 | liable | why cant electric stoves simmer |
| 10:32.25 | blazemonger | and it won't install |
| 10:32.27 | yos872 | enouf:; Thank you |
| 10:32.31 | Enverex | blazemonger, Probably want Timidity++ and JACK (JACK is needed for sound output in Rosegarden for some odd reason) |
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| 10:32.32 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: Well, for my shell, it says: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin:/scratchbox/devkits/debian/bin:/scratchbox/devkits/perl/bin:/scratchbox/tools/bin:/targets/links/arch_tools/bin:/host_usr/bin:/scratchbox/compilers/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 10:32.33 | Gnea | blazemonger: well that's not right, what kernel are you using? |
| 10:32.39 | Dewi | blazemonger: TiMidity++ might be able to be a good MIDI software device |
| 10:33.06 | enouf | yos872: again , you're welcome , and remember --> if for some odd reason it doesn't we'll need hte exact Intel Chipset . and exactly which controller the Sata drive(s) are hooked into (ICH Intel, Sil, Jmicron, etc) |
| 10:33.09 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: and, of course, all the utils are there .. |
| 10:33.09 | \amethyst | _|Nix|_: never mind, I think I misunderstood |
| 10:33.09 | peterS | yos87 is now yos872? |
| 10:33.18 | \amethyst | _|Nix|_: What is the package that broke? |
| 10:33.19 | agike | Hi, I'm getting "Could not create any TCP/IP sockets, fatal !" in /var/log/boot which I get around by activating eth0 in the 'networking' GUI in Etch. It should happen automatically. What am I missing here ? I've had no joy with Google. |
| 10:33.21 | peterS | careful, those digits will get out of hand soon if you aren't careful |
| 10:33.27 | blazemonger | im using lenny |
| 10:33.29 | enouf | no idea ;-p |
| 10:33.35 | blazemonger | i'm not really a newbie to debian |
| 10:33.48 | Gnea | blazemonger: okay, i don't think you even read me: what *kernel*? not what branch.. |
| 10:33.49 | blazemonger | i want swomething made for middi :) h |
| 10:34.00 | blazemonger | oh 2.6.18 |
| 10:34.09 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: alramd |
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| 10:34.13 | Enverex | blazemonger, Use Trackers, they're so much better :) |
| 10:34.23 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: Check out http://pastebin.ca/451241 for the full gory details |
| 10:34.32 | Dewi | blazemonger: as I keep saying timidity will probably do better midi in software than your soundmax would have done in hardware |
| 10:34.40 | Gnea | blazemonger: oh ok, then you should know that installing a driver directly from intel's website for an audio controller that the kernel already supports in debian isn't supported here :) |
| 10:34.44 | Dewi | blazemonger: in fact for all I know, soundmax probably uses a software emulator itself |
| 10:34.56 | Gnea | blazemonger: however, we CAN help you uninstall it and get it sounding right |
| 10:34.56 | Dewi | Gnea: he's trying to get midi |
| 10:35.03 | Dewi | Gnea: not wave out |
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| 10:35.10 | Gnea | Dewi: right. |
| 10:35.14 | blazemonger | oh okay :) |
| 10:35.17 | blazemonger | id love that :) |
| 10:35.24 | peterS | Dewi: more likely it does hardware synth but only after you load a sound font into it, which the windows driver includes but alsa doesn't |
| 10:35.24 | Dewi | blazemonger: so look into timidity++ |
| 10:35.35 | blazemonger | how hard is it to set up? |
| 10:35.40 | \amethyst | _|Nix|_: where did that package come from? |
| 10:35.46 | Dewi | blazemonger: dunno, haven't used it in about 10 years :P |
| 10:35.48 | Enverex | blazemonger, Another thing would be to look into getting a cheap Audigy 1 or 2 sound card |
| 10:35.57 | robin_sz | liable, electric stoves are crap, unless you have one with phase angle control of the elements |
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| 10:36.01 | Dewi | Enverex: how's the linux midi support on that? |
| 10:36.04 | Gnea | blazemonger: do you want to just playback .midi files or do you want to hook a midi-enabled audio device (like a keyboard or drum machine) up to it? |
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| 10:36.09 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages |
| 10:36.15 | Enverex | Dewi, Afaik it's the best you're going to get, heh |
| 10:36.27 | blazemonger | midi enabled stuff i have a mpc-3000 |
| 10:36.27 | Enverex | Dewi, Plus it has true hardware synth |
| 10:36.36 | Gnea | ok, so hardware midi |
| 10:36.37 | blazemonger | and i have a juno 106 |
| 10:36.41 | Gnea | nice |
| 10:36.44 | blazemonger | yah hardware midi |
| 10:36.49 | \amethyst | _|Nix|_: is /etc/init.d/alarmd, or any of the shell scripts it sources, changing PATH? |
| 10:36.50 | Dewi | blazemonger: oh, okay. sorry. I assumed you just wanted playback |
| 10:36.54 | Gnea | i do believe alsa supports that |
| 10:36.57 | Dewi | blazemonger: (which is what timidity does) |
| 10:37.02 | Enverex | Gnea, With the added bonus of hardware OSS multi-channel mixing incase you ever need it, heh |
| 10:37.14 | Gnea | Enverex: nothing wrong with that #) |
| 10:37.25 | blazemonger | thatz whatt i kn ow how to do i just got into computers so i could use them as a way to sequence all of my midi data |
| 10:37.56 | Gnea | blazemonger: ok, first of all you want to make sure that you totally uninstall *all* of the files that that intel audio .sh file provided |
| 10:38.11 | Gnea | blazemonger: once you have that taken care of, we can move onto the next step |
| 10:38.15 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: I don't know. If I check /etc/init.d/alarmd am I looking at the same file as the one it attempts to run during the install ? If so, forget it. I'll just make it exit 0 and be done with it. I couldn't care less if alarmd is working properly inside scratchbox :o) |
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| 10:38.19 | blazemonger | i didn't run the intel audio .sh file |
| 10:38.29 | Gnea | blazemonger: what .sh file did you run again? |
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| 10:38.49 | blazemonger | i've tried modprobe different midi sturf like modprobe v_midi or something like that |
| 10:39.00 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: Yeah, actually - it sets the PATH right at the top ... *shake head* |
| 10:39.32 | Gnea | blazemonger: okay, let's take a few steps back here... what is the output of this commmand: lspci | grep audio ? |
| 10:39.53 | yos872 | enouf:; Oh, It works ! |
| 10:39.56 | Gnea | blazemonger: also, who's the manufacturer of your motherboard? |
| 10:40.10 | yos872 | enouf: deb 4 has graphic installation |
| 10:40.10 | blazemonger | it's aintel mobo i think |
| 10:40.21 | \amethyst | _|Nix|_: Yeah, exit 0 is fine, or fixing th path thing |
| 10:40.27 | blazemonger | it says intel wheen the system boots up..someone built it for me |
| 10:40.33 | Gnea | blazemonger: okay, did you build this PC yourself or did you buy it pre-built from someplace? |
| 10:40.34 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst: Halleluya! I added "exit 0" to the top of the script, and all's well now. I don't understand why the misbehaviour of one package should completely trip up the installation of a host of completely unrelated (dependency-wise) packages ... |
| 10:40.36 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 10:40.50 | Gnea | blazemonger: you should ask that person what make/model motherboard they used |
| 10:40.56 | blazemonger | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 10:41.09 | Gnea | blazemonger: hrm.... |
| 10:41.15 | Enverex | What's the name of the package that gives Audacity the massive amount of audio plugins? (sound alteration ones). I thought it was ladspa but that's something else. |
| 10:41.24 | blazemonger | i built it myself using second hand hardware |
| 10:41.34 | yos872 | enouf: the ethernet card work as well |
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| 10:42.01 | blazemonger | even a net newbie..i just am scared of web pages since i hate spiders |
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| 10:42.10 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:42.46 | Gnea | blazemonger: that's cool.. so let's check something |
| 10:42.59 | _|Nix|_ | \amethyst, Dewi: Thanks for your help! back2hack :o) |
| 10:43.02 | \amethyst | Enverex: aptitude search ~Pladspa-plugin |
| 10:43.10 | blazemonger | ok |
| 10:43.20 | \amethyst | Enverex: that will list every package that provides ladspa plugins |
| 10:43.29 | Gnea | blazemonger: do you know if the motherboard has a midi connector on it? it would look like a game controller, a bit bigger than the type of port that a computer monitor plugs into, and instead of having a blue connector, it would be yellow |
| 10:43.34 | \amethyst | Enverex: or you could aptitude install ~Pladspa-plugin even |
| 10:43.41 | Enverex | \amethyst, Thanks :) |
| 10:44.14 | yos872 | enouf: I've to go now, Thank you for help |
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| 10:44.46 | blazemonger | i have usb midi |
| 10:44.51 | blazemonger | too |
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| 10:44.59 | Gnea | oh |
| 10:45.09 | ManuP | hi. i have a working wlan-card in my notebook, but i can not connect to a AP. other APs work fine. |
| 10:45.12 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:45.22 | blazemonger | i might have to get a creamware card |
| 10:45.29 | blazemonger | i wonder if creamware cards work with linux |
| 10:45.44 | ChrisW | blazemonger: sorry, don't think so |
| 10:45.52 | Gnea | blazemonger: is the usb plugged into the port right now? |
| 10:45.56 | ChrisW | best bet for that came from trying toi support macos x |
| 10:46.19 | blazemonger | yes it is |
| 10:46.23 | ChrisW | unfortunately, creamware looks like they've gone bust |
| 10:46.27 | navaladi | i m getting this error while running one software.."Warning: Cannot find callback list in XtAddCallback" any fix? |
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| 10:46.28 | ManuP | APs essid is FRITZ!Box Fon WLAN 7170. connecting with iwconfig essid "FRITZ!Bo...." dont work, because bash tries to exec !Fon |
| 10:46.29 | Gnea | blazemonger: does it show up in lsusb? |
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| 10:46.42 | ManuP | so i wrote config in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 10:46.46 | Gnea | ManuP: is that your AP? |
| 10:46.46 | blazemonger | nope |
| 10:46.48 | ManuP | but still dont work |
| 10:46.51 | ChrisW | however, their engineers look like they've formed a enw company called soniccore, and it might be worth poking them to see how the yfeel about linux... |
| 10:46.53 | ManuP | Gnea yes. |
| 10:46.59 | Enverex | Here's an annoying this. When I went to install something it listed lots of packages including gnome-core and said they are "unused and will be installed". So I did apt-get install gnome-core which said it was already installed which is fair enough. But then it still says it's unused and wants to remove it... surely if I've told it to install then it's not "unused" because I want it installed... |
| 10:47.03 | Gnea | ManuP: turn off security keys |
| 10:47.04 | Enverex | *thing |
| 10:47.12 | felixelgato | can i use the dvd or cd isos downloaded to use them like CD REPOSITORIES in a debian based distro already installed in mi pc ? |
| 10:47.16 | ManuP | Gnea, mac-filter is off, encrypton is on (wep) |
| 10:47.30 | ChrisW | Enverex: how come you're not using aptitude? |
| 10:47.31 | Gnea | ManuP: turn mac-filter on, turn wep off |
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| 10:47.57 | Enverex | ChrisW, Force of habit, only found out a week ago or so that aptitude isn't just the ncurses interface |
| 10:48.00 | blazemonger | anyone know where i can get a system that does nothing else but run as a sequencer for a good price |
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| 10:48.08 | Gnea | blazemonger: are you sure? |
| 10:48.12 | ChrisW | does anyone know where I can find a simple set of instructions for upgrading sarge to etch? |
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| 10:48.22 | blazemonger | im sureee unless im hallucinating |
| 10:48.23 | peterS | ChrisW: the etch release notes |
| 10:48.26 | Gnea | !sarge->etch |
| 10:48.27 | dpkg | i guess sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
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| 10:48.29 | ManuP | Gnea, well, that wont work very well... i own the AP with some other people. thy dont want that it is changed. on other APs i can connect with wep. no problem. |
| 10:48.47 | ChrisW | Enverex: yeah, I've just been trying to make heads or tails of the upgrade docs, and I remember reading that apt-get may exhibit the behaviour you describe |
| 10:48.49 | Gnea | ManuP: you're the admin of it, right? |
| 10:48.52 | x_link | Debian really rocks !! =) |
| 10:49.05 | Enverex | ChrisW, Aptitude does exactly the same :P |
| 10:49.06 | blazemonger | debian is great |
| 10:49.22 | ManuP | Gnea, i have access to the AP, but i should not change the settings. |
| 10:49.32 | ChrisW | peterS: I've been reading those for the past hour, and there doesn't seem to be any clear list of what to do... every section seems to reference both sections before and after it in a "oh, and make sure you've done this" kind of way... |
| 10:49.33 | felixelgato | can i use the dvd or cd isos downloaded to use them like CD REPOSITORIES in a debian based distro already installed in mi pc ? |
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| 10:49.36 | ManuP | Gnea, more people use the AP |
| 10:49.41 | Gnea | blazemonger: heh, try reseating the usb connector and see if anything changes - does it have a light? |
| 10:49.45 | ChrisW | Enverex: sorry to hear that :-S |
| 10:50.01 | Gnea | ManuP: oh ok... |
| 10:50.08 | Dewi | Enverex: apt-get does not know anything about 'used' and 'unused' packages |
| 10:50.08 | Enverex | Seems like I "have" to have all of Gnome installed if I want Gnome at all... grr |
| 10:50.14 | Dewi | Enverex: this is extra information aptitude records |
| 10:50.19 | Gnea | !wep |
| 10:50.19 | dpkg | i heard wep is the utterly useless level of encryption that 802.11b uses. it claims to provide 'wired equivalent privacy', but it's as secure as rot13. |
| 10:50.23 | blazemonger | no light |
| 10:50.35 | dave132356 | hi, can anyone help me, i am trying to remove dokuwiki using "apt-get remove dokuwiki" but it fails. i'll paste the output in the paster |
| 10:50.35 | Dewi | Enverex: so if you said 'apt-get install foo' instead of 'aptitude install foo' then aptitude will *not* know that you really wanted it installed |
| 10:50.49 | Gnea | ManuP: well what wireless card is it? |
| 10:50.51 | Enverex | Dewi, Is there any way of having Gnome installed without everything like Epiphany and Evolution? |
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| 10:51.04 | Dewi | Enverex: it's a good idea to always use aptitude if you are going to use it at all |
| 10:51.06 | _|Nix|_ | Does anybody know if a replacement exists for dbus-viewer ? As of, 1.0.0, I think, it's no longer part of the D-Bus distro :o( |
| 10:51.08 | dave132356 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 10:51.08 | dave132356 | Building dependency tree |
| 10:51.08 | dave132356 | Reading state information... Done |
| 10:51.08 | dave132356 | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
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| 10:51.18 | ManuP | Gnea, it is a broadcom bcm43xx.. 4321 i think |
| 10:51.20 | Dewi | Enverex: sure... let me try to find the dpkg bot factoid |
| 10:51.50 | Dewi | Enverex: there are several metapackages - |
| 10:51.52 | kerouac | \amethyst: you still here? |
| 10:51.54 | Dewi | !install gnome |
| 10:51.54 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 10:51.55 | Enverex | Dewi, Basically the problem is if I remove Evolution then it removes the gnome metapackage, if it does that then the entire of Gnome becomes "unneeded" and gets removed, lol |
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| 10:52.08 | blazemonger | i <-- excited about using rosegarden..downloaind this distro called dyne:bolic and another one called musix |
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| 10:52.29 | Enverex | blazemonger, Erm, you don't need a new distro to use it... |
| 10:52.30 | Gnea | blazemonger: that's really weird... it should show up as *something*... does the list of lsusb change when you unplug/plug the usb adapter in? |
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| 10:52.42 | Gnea | Enverex: yeah but he wants to use debian |
| 10:52.57 | dave132356 | hi, can anyone help me, i am trying to remove dokuwiki using "apt-get remove dokuwiki" but it fails giving me the following output http://paste.debian.net/26155 |
| 10:53.02 | Enverex | Gnea, That's my point, what's wrong with just "Debian" lol |
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| 10:53.22 | Gnea | Enverex: nothing :) |
| 10:53.33 | blazemonger | nope it doesn't :( |
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| 10:53.48 | althaser | do you guys know, where can I see packages transfers between testing and unstable ? please |
| 10:53.52 | Gnea | blazemonger: does lsusb output anything at all? |
| 10:54.23 | \amethyst | kerouac: yes |
| 10:54.33 | Enverex | Dewi, Hrm, gnome-desktop-environment seems to be the same as "gnome". On the other hand gnome-core seems to be just the panel and nautilus, one extreme or the other :/ |
| 10:54.33 | blazemonger | nope nothing |
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| 10:54.40 | ma3x | is there some crazy 3D test for kde? |
| 10:54.53 | ma3x | I don't like glxinfo glxgears |
| 10:55.01 | ma3x | is ther esomething more interesti? |
| 10:55.02 | Gnea | blazemonger: no wonder... are you running lsusb as root or as a normal user? |
| 10:55.03 | dave132356 | ma3x glxgears |
| 10:55.14 | ma3x | I just told you I don't like it |
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| 10:55.16 | ma3x | it's too slow |
| 10:55.19 | ma3x | and boring |
| 10:55.20 | dave132356 | ma3x sorry u beat me to it there, i dont know any others |
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| 10:55.43 | \amethyst | ma3x: xscreensaver |
| 10:55.47 | Gnea | ma3x: quake3 |
| 10:55.49 | blazemonger | root |
| 10:55.58 | Gnea | ... |
| 10:56.15 | \amethyst | ma3x: if you install xscreensaver-gl, it puts a bunch of saver commands under /usr/lib/xscreensavers |
| 10:56.25 | Gnea | blazemonger: output of: lsmod | grep hcd ? |
| 10:56.31 | \amethyst | ma3x: you can run them directly with -fps -delay 0 to see how fast they can go |
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| 10:56.36 | ManuP | how to set wep to 64-bit? |
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| 10:56.42 | \amethyst | ma3x: many of them take other arguments to increase the complexity etc |
| 10:57.21 | Enverex | Dewi, Ah, most of them are libs, I can just manually install the 10 or so packages I want back in, thanks :) |
| 10:57.41 | Uruclef_lunch | hey guys |
| 10:57.47 | blazemonger | ehci_hcd 34184 0 |
| 10:57.47 | blazemonger | uhci_hcd 33808 0 |
| 10:57.47 | blazemonger | usbcore 130820 4 usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd |
| 10:57.52 | Uruclef | can someone give me a hand with tetex packages please? |
| 10:57.53 | Gnea | ManuP: have you read this? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7949 |
| 10:57.55 | Uruclef | I have a problem |
| 10:58.08 | Gnea | Uruclef: not if you don't tell us what the problem is |
| 10:58.17 | Uruclef | :) |
| 10:58.22 | Uruclef | here it is: |
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| 10:58.53 | Uruclef | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2719280#post2719280 |
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| 10:59.29 | blazemonger | mm |
| 10:59.41 | blazemonger | lost |
| 10:59.41 | Gnea | blazemonger: do me a favor, please... plug the usb card in, then run this command: dmesg > dmesg.txt then take the contents of dmesg.txt and paste them to a paster site |
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| 10:59.45 | Gnea | !paster |
| 10:59.45 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 10:59.49 | Gnea | !paste |
| 10:59.49 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 10:59.53 | blazemonger | k |
| 10:59.56 | ManuP | Gnea, this information is far too old, jul2006. no need of ndiswrapper any more |
| 11:00.08 | blazemonger | lemme check the midi cable |
| 11:00.14 | Gnea | k |
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| 11:00.17 | Dewi | Enverex: yep. Or a smaller metapackage. As I got the bot to mention, gnome has several "sizes" of metapackage |
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| 11:01.27 | ma3x | \amethyst, I just installed the package xscreensaver-gl |
| 11:01.39 | ma3x | nothing in /usr/lib/xscreensavers |
| 11:01.55 | blazemonger | bongiot |
| 11:02.00 | enouf | http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/03/07/creamware-audio-lives-to-see-another-day/ about creamware/soniccore .. wonder how/if "ardour-gtk-i686" might be worth looking at for midi mixing |
| 11:02.23 | \amethyst | ma3x: sorry, /usr/lib/xscreensaver |
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| 11:03.08 | blazemonger | enouf: now that loooks sweeeett5t |
| 11:03.26 | blazemonger | i wonder if this d865perl mobo could handle the card |
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| 11:04.04 | ma3x | \amethyst, it gives ~520.00 fps - is that good, meaning 3d acceleration is working properly? |
| 11:04.05 | Gnea | oh |
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| 11:04.42 | Gnea | blazemonger: you mean this one? http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d865perl/index.htm |
| 11:04.50 | blazemonger | yah |
| 11:04.57 | blazemonger | thas what the mobo i haave |
| 11:05.04 | Gnea | nice! |
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| 11:05.09 | blazemonger | i built my first computer |
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| 11:05.21 | Enverex | I have to ask, why does Debian have a second, almost clone of the Gnome menu inside a menu named Debian? |
| 11:05.29 | blazemonger | all parts handed down |
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| 11:05.42 | Gnea | i've built many systems that way |
| 11:05.50 | Gnea | or just flat out bought the parts |
| 11:06.11 | xand | Enverex: that menu is common to gnome, kde, xfce, etc |
| 11:06.22 | Enverex | xand, Ah |
| 11:06.39 | blazemonger | i have a nice video card too.a rage 128 pro all in wonder...32mb memory ..on the system board i have 765mb of ddr memory which i gotr5 for free |
| 11:06.41 | Enverex | xand, It's just I've noticed things like OOLite appear in it, but not the Gnome menu :/ |
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| 11:06.54 | Enverex | blazemonger, That's not a nice video card :P |
| 11:07.01 | blazemonger | well it works :) |
| 11:07.02 | blazemonger | hehe |
| 11:07.12 | Betzefer | any 1 needs help ? |
| 11:07.28 | Uruclef | can someone please help me with my tetex problem? |
| 11:07.30 | Uruclef | :) |
| 11:07.32 | Uruclef | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2719280#post2719280 |
| 11:07.33 | Uruclef | herre it is |
| 11:07.51 | dave132356 | Betzefer i do |
| 11:08.02 | dave132356 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.07 | abrotman | tetex is gone |
| 11:08.11 | alex_L | hello ppl I want to install nvidia drivers in the kernel that was automatically installed for me and I want to get the internet happening from this laptop to that desktop. (my wireless card involves a kernel module that i will install when i have X back...) I can ping my router from the desktop, but no internet What do i do??? |
| 11:08.17 | abrotman | see the debian-devel-announce mailinsg list |
| 11:08.20 | dave132356 | http://paste.debian.net/26155 |
| 11:08.30 | Uruclef | tetex is gone?? O_o |
| 11:08.33 | Uruclef | what do you mean? |
| 11:08.35 | Gnea | blazemonger: a number of years ago, a friend of mine wanted to make a CD of his spins, so he setup his DJ equipment (pair of direct drive tables, etc) and we hooked it into the line-in on my system, and i was able to record (before the days of audacity) it and burn it to a CD... took a couple recordings to get it just right, but eventually filled up an 80 minute CD, minus about 2 seconds |
| 11:08.51 | abrotman | Uruclef: see the debian-devel-announce mailinsg list |
| 11:08.54 | Gnea | blazemonger: and i was using debian |
| 11:09.02 | alex_L | is it domething to do with DNS?? |
| 11:09.15 | abrotman | it's been superceded |
| 11:09.17 | blazemonger | sweeeettt Gnea |
| 11:09.20 | blazemonger | whats he spin? |
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| 11:09.34 | Gnea | man, it's been so many years now, and i just found the CD the other day |
| 11:09.42 | Uruclef | mm |
| 11:09.45 | Uruclef | ok I'll look |
| 11:09.46 | Uruclef | tnx! |
| 11:09.46 | Gnea | it's a mix of funk/progressive/techno |
| 11:10.05 | blazemonger | i play lotz of techyhouse |
| 11:10.06 | alex_L | so is anyone running lenny ?? |
| 11:10.09 | Gnea | :D |
| 11:10.16 | xand | alex_L: no, no-one |
| 11:10.22 | hark | Uruclef: apt-cache shoe tetex-bin |
| 11:10.23 | dmilith | l;> |
| 11:10.28 | blazemonger | recently i got to see John B. :) |
| 11:10.29 | abrotman | bottles |
| 11:10.37 | Gnea | nice |
| 11:10.41 | alex_L | so is lenny == sid ? |
| 11:10.43 | dmilith | i'll stay at etch ;} |
| 11:10.46 | dmilith | alex_L: no |
| 11:10.47 | Gnea | !branch |
| 11:10.48 | dpkg | i heard branch is what version of Debian you're using; etch/stable, lenny/testing, sid/unstable |
| 11:10.49 | blazemonger | one tune he played sounded like aciddrum&bass |
| 11:10.55 | xand | alex_L: your DNS or gateway isn't setup |
| 11:11.07 | alex_L | how do i setup DNS from command line? |
| 11:11.14 | Uruclef | I can't find the page |
| 11:11.15 | blazemonger | the party was called collission and before getting to the venue i almost haad a colllisioon |
| 11:11.25 | xand | alex_L: what is the error message from ping? |
| 11:11.29 | dmilith | alex_L: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 11:11.30 | dmilith | ;'} |
| 11:11.40 | alex_L | unknown host |
| 11:11.57 | blazemonger | wait.i think i know what half my problem is |
| 11:12.03 | xand | alex_L: if you're using DHCP, it should be setup automatically... dns servers go in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:12.05 | alex_L | i see so sid is always nasty kid eh?? |
| 11:12.12 | abrotman | dave132356: what's the problem ? |
| 11:12.14 | blazemonger | it's this medicine that my dentist gave me |
| 11:12.15 | alex_L | i use static ip's and firestarter |
| 11:12.22 | xand | abrotman: go back to bed |
| 11:12.29 | alex_L | had prob with firestarter issueing dhcp |
| 11:12.32 | abrotman | Uruclef: moment |
| 11:12.33 | blazemonger | until and after i get myu root canal monday |
| 11:12.40 | xand | alex_L: you'll need to specify "nameserver 12.34.56.78" in resolv.conf then |
| 11:12.48 | enouf | blazemonger: apologies .. a bit busy here .. also there's many diferent things to look at like ardour (rosegarden, lmms (replacement for fruity loops), dmix, Jack, etc etc), do a "/msg dpkg search" in your irc client (and "/msg dpkg apt howto"), and let dpkg tell you how to use (for ex; -->) apt-cache search lmms and apt-cache show lmms |
| 11:12.59 | dave132356 | abrotman it gives me the following error, http://paste.debian.net/26155 |
| 11:13.06 | Gnea | lol |
| 11:13.06 | abrotman | Uruclef: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/04/msg00006.html |
| 11:13.09 | blazemonger | the bottle sys "may cause drowsiness" and says oxycodone |
| 11:13.14 | alex_L | i cant do it with ifconfig |
| 11:13.21 | blazemonger | and it's in liquid form too |
| 11:13.33 | xand | alex_L: just edit that file |
| 11:13.39 | alex_L | where is it |
| 11:13.47 | xand | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:13.50 | abrotman | xand: it's 713! |
| 11:13.56 | hark | enouf: that'll take him a week! |
| 11:13.56 | xand | abrotman: yes, exactly. |
| 11:14.04 | alex_L | k |
| 11:14.05 | abrotman | i've already been up a bit |
| 11:14.08 | xand | !resolv.conf |
| 11:14.13 | xand | !dns |
| 11:14.21 | blazemonger | damn |
| 11:14.21 | xand | dpkg sux0r |
| 11:14.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, sux0r is MightyMark |
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| 11:14.30 | alex_L | =) |
| 11:14.40 | enouf | hark: better start now ;-p |
| 11:14.41 | abrotman | xand: i'm old .. old people can't sleep in :) |
| 11:14.46 | blazemonger | thisss stuff the dentist gave me is potent..i thought i was sssmokin a ciggaaaaarettee |
| 11:14.49 | xand | abrotman: I'm old |
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| 11:15.00 | alex_L | so just nameserver 220.233.0... |
| 11:15.05 | alex_L | thats all? |
| 11:15.07 | Uruclef | abrotman: thank you! |
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| 11:15.13 | abrotman | dave132356: i think it's whining because apache isn't running ? |
| 11:15.20 | abrotman | xand: you've got a bit to catch me :) |
| 11:15.25 | xand | alex_L: yes, unless you want any search domains too... man resolv.conf |
| 11:15.31 | alex_L | yep |
| 11:15.33 | xand | alex_L: but you can just put "nameserver ..." in there |
| 11:15.35 | alex_L | i read briefly |
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| 11:16.01 | dave132356 | abrotman, um ok, how do i fix that? |
| 11:16.13 | abrotman | start apache before removing it? |
| 11:16.22 | alex_L | yay, thanks |
| 11:16.38 | abrotman | or put a 'set -x' at the top of the postrm script to debug .. or put an 'exit 0 |
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| 11:16.39 | xand | abrotman: are you normally up this early? :P |
| 11:16.45 | blazemonger | enouf: u think i should wait til thyiss oxycodone wears offf? |
| 11:16.50 | abrotman | or put a 'set -x' at the top of the postrm script to debug .. or put an 'exit 0' at the top of the postrm script to just ignore the whole script |
| 11:17.18 | abrotman | xand: yesterday i woke up at like 5am :) |
| 11:17.20 | alex_L | i have also got vbox and other things which do stuff to kernel.. do i need to install these again to get my machine up to date?? (kernel auto updated) |
| 11:17.21 | abrotman | but usually 630-7 .. especially in the spring |
| 11:17.26 | alex_L | if so... that sucks |
| 11:17.56 | liable | abrotman: your like an old man already |
| 11:18.00 | tls_81 | good day all |
| 11:18.05 | dave132356 | abrotman, that doesnt seem to help http://paste.debian.net/26158 |
| 11:18.09 | liable | i still sleep till midday given the chance |
| 11:18.12 | abrotman | liable: you're ? |
| 11:18.17 | liable | and i'm older |
| 11:18.24 | abrotman | *which* doesn't help ? |
| 11:19.16 | liable | abrotman: i like to tease you grammar nazis |
| 11:19.29 | tls_81 | i have a question of reassurance with regards to somthing I have done thinking it was the onl way out and now am having doubts... (reeinstalling debian on server) |
| 11:19.43 | dave132356 | abrotman, i tried "sudo apache" then "sudo apt-get remove dokuwiki" and i get the same error http://paste.debian.net/26158 |
| 11:19.56 | abrotman | dave132356: see the part where it can't force-reload apache ? |
| 11:20.06 | dave132356 | abrotman, yes |
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| 11:20.24 | abrotman | dave132356: is apache even working on the box ? |
| 11:20.59 | dave132356 | abrotman, how do i find out, what is apache? |
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| 11:21.25 | abrotman | apache is a webserver |
| 11:21.26 | xand | abrotman: crazy man. |
| 11:21.38 | abrotman | xand: i am :) |
| 11:21.45 | althaser | anyone can startx with xserver-xorg-core 1.3.0.0.dfsg-1 ? |
| 11:21.47 | tls_81 | anyone can offer me advice on lilo |
| 11:21.48 | tls_81 | ? |
| 11:21.52 | xand | !anyone |
| 11:21.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:22.27 | dave132356 | abrotman, ok, thats what i thought it was, i'm not running a webserver so i dont see why it would be loaded? |
| 11:22.42 | abrotman | i would guess docuwiki uses it |
| 11:22.43 | hark | althaser: what's the error? |
| 11:22.54 | althaser | hark no screens found :P |
| 11:23.18 | althaser | I already build module again but it doesn't work |
| 11:23.33 | dave132356 | abrotman, should i try to install apache then, and then uninstall dokuwiki then uninstall apache? |
| 11:23.37 | hark | yes, but what's the real error ;) |
| 11:24.00 | abrotman | dave132356: just put an "exit 0" at the top of the /var/lib/dpkg/info/docuwiki.postrm |
| 11:24.08 | hark | !noscreensfound |
| 11:24.08 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 11:24.37 | tls_81 | dpkg: i have decided to reinstall my server because i got locked out of it by f***ing up lilo... was that the only thing to do? my problem was that the rescue mode did not allow me to run /sbin/lilo after modifying lilo.conf... since i had mounted filesyst unde /mnt.... can you think of anytheing else you would have tried? |
| 11:25.37 | fengor | tls_81: afaik you need to chroot before running lilo |
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| 11:26.19 | tls_81 | looking into chroot before running lilo |
| 11:26.26 | carlos | hi |
| 11:26.51 | dave132356 | abrotman, thx, that seems to have worked :) |
| 11:26.57 | carlos | My mailscanner is continously dying whith this message: MailScanner: Process did not exit cleanly, returned 22 with signal 0 |
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| 11:27.29 | carlos | any one knows what the code 22 is for? |
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| 11:27.45 | tls_81 | fengor: do you mean by that, that i trick /sbin/lilo into thinking that /mnt is the new root? |
| 11:27.48 | artagnon | I tried reinstalling apache with an apt-get install --reinstall apache but I still don't get the apache initscript in /etc/init.d. What's the problem? |
| 11:27.50 | carlos | it dies just after this message: Spam Checks: Found 1 spam messages |
| 11:28.00 | althaser | hark failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) no drivers avaliable |
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| 11:28.09 | lexoplex | I want lynx to display images using xzgv. I created ~/.mailcap and pointed PERSONAL_MAILCAP in .lynx.cfg to that file. But lynx still uses konqueror to display an image. What else can I try? |
| 11:28.26 | althaser | hark but I have nvidia module loaded |
| 11:28.45 | tls_81 | dpkg: was that an ok question? |
| 11:28.53 | DaveQB | how can I "make" a PCI device use a particular module ? Or should it work automatically ? |
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| 11:30.47 | hark | althaser: yeah, that's it. upgraded the kernel? |
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| 11:31.08 | row | does etch support >4gb (ext3) files out of the box? |
| 11:31.23 | tls_81 | Ok server reeinstalled ...!! got to go... |
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| 11:31.37 | althaser | hark nop I just upgrade xserver-xorg-core package |
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| 11:31.39 | alex_L | do chickens have lips? |
| 11:31.54 | DaveQB | yeah thats what I thought |
| 11:31.57 | alex_L | i mean... do chickens not have lips |
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| 11:32.07 | DaveQB | 3gb isnt that big a deal |
| 11:32.16 | artagnon | dpkg -L apache lists /etc/init.d/apache but I don't have it in reality. I also tried apt-get install --reinstall apache but the file's still missing. What's wrong? |
| 11:32.16 | dpkg | ii apache lists /etc/init.d/apache but I don't have it in reality. I also tried apt-get install --reinstall apache but the file's still missing. What's wrong 3.2-1 artagnon's private porn collection |
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| 11:32.32 | hark | althaser: try the 'nv' driver |
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| 11:32.35 | alex_L | thanks for your help Xand |
| 11:32.35 | artagnon | WTF? |
| 11:32.55 | DaveQB | artagnon: the bot called dpkg replied to you |
| 11:33.05 | artagnon | DaveQB: Yes, I see |
| 11:33.25 | DaveQB | artagnon: might need a purge first and then reinstall, but that could be a pain and not even do the trick |
| 11:33.41 | artagnon | DaveQB: I tried that too. Not working |
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| 11:33.46 | abrotman_ | purge what ? |
| 11:33.47 | DaveQB | grab the package from /var/cache/apt/archive and dpkg -x and grab the file from it ? |
| 11:34.21 | artagnon | DaveQB: Oh, it worked :) Thanks |
| 11:34.28 | luosm | Hmmm, The fonts on urxvt are too big, how can I change that? |
| 11:34.30 | DaveQB | artagnon: what did ? |
| 11:34.43 | luosm | And the background/forground colors? |
| 11:34.55 | artagnon | DaveQB: purge + install |
| 11:35.02 | DaveQB | artagnon: oh ok, cool. |
| 11:35.12 | althaser | hark nv module comes with what package ? xserver-xorg-video-nv ?? |
| 11:35.43 | craigo | hi all, trying to install etch and networking fails. how do I tell the installer to use my eepro100 driver instead of e100 when building the kernel? |
| 11:35.57 | hark | yes, you should already have it. just change nvidia to nv in your xorg.conf |
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| 11:36.16 | althaser | hark ah ok :) |
| 11:36.32 | Istink | hey, hello |
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| 11:36.51 | DaveQB | craigo: my question too! |
| 11:36.57 | xoz | Loady: rxvt -fn font, use xlsfont to list it |
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| 11:37.01 | Istink | is it a toll to 'undelete' a file in a vfat from Linux? |
| 11:37.05 | DaveQB | different network card and modules, but same problem |
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| 11:37.10 | Istink | err: tool |
| 11:37.13 | xoz | luosm: rxvt -fn font, use xlsfont to list it |
| 11:37.25 | althaser | hark it works now :D |
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| 11:37.36 | Istink | I really need a file there |
| 11:37.44 | althaser | hark thus the problem is my build ?? |
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| 11:38.09 | luosm | xoz: There should be a file where I can edit it, correct? |
| 11:38.12 | craigo | DaveQB: dang, it's annoying me trying to find where the installer keeps track of things. |
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| 11:38.31 | iOops | hi all |
| 11:38.36 | luosm | to change font, colors etc.... |
| 11:38.38 | hark | althaser: the nvidia drivers.. maybe you need to do the one-liner again.. or it's the new xorg |
| 11:38.54 | xoz | luosm: in /etc/X11/defaults or app-defaults |
| 11:39.03 | DaveQB | craigo: oh,actually, its not the installer for me, just generally. I just dist-upgraded and want to use module skge instead of r8169 for my nic |
| 11:39.08 | xoz | luosm: cant remember |
| 11:39.35 | luosm | let me check |
| 11:39.41 | iOops | I have just finish etch i386 install howerer the boot was block on ""Synthesizing the initial hotplug event..." |
| 11:39.42 | xoz | luosm: or just add an alias, alias rxvt=rxvt -fn blah |
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| 11:40.21 | valdyn | craigo: alt-f2 as soon as possible and adjust things |
| 11:40.37 | luosm | xoz: I've rxvt-unicode |
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| 11:40.53 | luosm | xoz: It would be nice if I can store my settings somewhere |
| 11:41.04 | luosm | instead of doing it manually everytime |
| 11:41.13 | mhall | I thought my last 20" Dell LCD was nice, but now I just got the new 24" Gateway and it is INSANE. |
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| 11:41.21 | xoz | luosm: cd /etc/X11; find . -iname "*rxvt*" |
| 11:41.28 | valdyn | !xdefaults |
| 11:41.28 | dpkg | xdefaults is, like, xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults, or call it ~/.Xresources to have gdm merge it automatically |
| 11:41.41 | valdyn | luosm: ^^^ and read the rxvt manpage.. |
| 11:41.45 | hark | althaser: did you have nvidia-glx installed? |
| 11:42.11 | DaveQB | so is it true then that if a device can use a certain module it will ? There's no way of 'forcing' ? |
| 11:42.15 | mhall | I am playing with my HDTV card and I am wondering, if I have some channels mplayer can't load, how can I get it to print out the channel info so I can comment them out of the channels.conf? |
| 11:42.52 | valdyn | mhall: channel.conf is trivial to read.. |
| 11:43.08 | abrotman_ | DaveQB: is there another module that can? |
| 11:43.14 | abrotman_ | DaveQB: you can blacklist drivers |
| 11:43.18 | abrotman_ | Daveman: HI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:43.20 | _fr33man_ | how can i use custom DNS servers with DHCP in debian, resolv.conf is getting overwritten |
| 11:43.25 | luosm | xoz: color0 == background? |
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| 11:43.38 | valdyn | _fr33man_: by the resolvconf package |
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| 11:43.51 | Lorvija | hey, is there a way to deny loging completely from IP for x mins after x failed logins? |
| 11:43.52 | valdyn | _fr33man_: you could remove it |
| 11:43.53 | luosm | xoz: I can't figure out the font size though |
| 11:44.01 | abrotman_ | or tell the dhcp client to stop doing it |
| 11:44.02 | Lorvija | (speaking about ssh/ftp..) |
| 11:44.06 | DaveQB | abrotman_: the problem is when I rmmod t8169 and then add skge, the NIC wont come up, no device error |
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| 11:44.24 | valdyn | !rmmod |
| 11:44.24 | dpkg | it has been said that rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 11:44.28 | abrotman_ | DaveQB: does skge drive it ? |
| 11:44.38 | xoz | luosm: man rxvt or google :) or try 9x12 |
| 11:44.42 | DaveQB | abrotman_: apparently.... |
| 11:44.52 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 11:44.52 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 11:44.53 | luosm | xoz: !URxvt.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 |
| 11:44.55 | abrotman_ | !which driver |
| 11:44.56 | abrotman_ | doh |
| 11:44.58 | DaveQB | abrotman_: I have read it supports F5D5005 which is what my card is |
| 11:45.01 | valdyn | !win |
| 11:45.01 | dpkg | hmm... win is lose. |
| 11:45.08 | Daveman | Morning abrotman |
| 11:45.13 | abrotman_ | hehe |
| 11:45.19 | Daveman | :p |
| 11:45.22 | DaveQB | abrotman_: but often saying a Marvell card, mine is a Belkin |
| 11:45.30 | xoz | luosm: use xlsfonts and look for fixed fonts |
| 11:45.37 | valdyn | DaveQB: read what dpkg said |
| 11:45.43 | enouf | description: SysKonnect Gigabit Ethernet driver |
| 11:45.43 | luosm | Hrm, okie |
| 11:45.44 | mhall | valdyn: that's not the problem |
| 11:45.46 | abrotman_ | DaveQB: the modules.pcimap should tell you |
| 11:45.54 | mhall | valdyn: i can't get it to print out which lines are the broken ones |
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| 11:46.03 | DaveQB | abrotman_: oh ok, missed that |
| 11:46.10 | mhall | valdyn: it prints the frequency number but the channels are multiplexed |
| 11:46.22 | abrotman_ | DaveQB: do you have the device ID from lspci -n ? |
| 11:46.24 | mhall | valdyn: so i don't know if it's that whole frequency or just some of the sub-program streams |
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| 11:46.28 | DaveQB | abrotman_: nice site BTW |
| 11:46.32 | DaveQB | abrotman_: getting it |
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| 11:46.35 | valdyn | mhall: mplayer dvb://channelname ? |
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| 11:47.00 | mhall | valdyn: couldn't get the channel names to work for me because i'm using unencrypted QAM on my analog cable |
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| 11:47.26 | mhall | valdyn: i wanted to try 8vsb but i'm on the ground floor of an apartment block on the side which faces away from the towers |
| 11:47.42 | mhall | valdyn: so i'm mostly screwed for UHF, it hates anything not line of sight |
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| 11:47.44 | DaveQB | abrotman_: says r8169 which is what its using, but not giving me Gbit :( |
| 11:47.53 | abrotman_ | miitool ? |
| 11:47.55 | DaveQB | I'll have to go with the funky driver on the CD that came with |
| 11:48.00 | abrotman_ | could be a few reasons you're not getting Gb |
| 11:48.09 | DaveQB | abrotman_: means a bunch of compiling |
| 11:48.10 | mhall | valdyn: i just wanna comment out the ones that don't work because they lock up mplayer and then you can surf channels after you hit those |
| 11:48.11 | DaveQB | abrotman_: oh ? |
| 11:48.24 | abrotman_ | cable ? |
| 11:48.34 | abrotman_ | switch ? |
| 11:48.40 | dave132356 | hi, i'm writing a program in java and it would be nice to have a skip track button in it which skips to the next track in a music player. Can anyone tell me if this is possible, and if so which music player this would be easiest with, eg. xmms, noatun, juk, etc? |
| 11:48.42 | DaveQB | abrotman_: just redid the whole house with Cat6 and bought a new Gbit switch |
| 11:48.43 | abrotman_ | you can play with miitool and ethtool a bit |
| 11:48.46 | mhall | valdyn: can't surf* |
| 11:48.57 | abrotman_ | DaveQB: does Gb work on any other system ? |
| 11:49.13 | DaveQB | switch detects my PC has Gbit |
| 11:49.18 | DaveQB | which it has |
| 11:49.46 | DaveQB | abrotman: lshw says this about the card though |
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| 11:50.01 | DaveQB | size: 10MB/s |
| 11:50.01 | DaveQB | capacity: 1GB/s |
| 11:50.06 | abrotman | DaveQB: ethtool <interface> .. does it list Gb as supported ? |
| 11:50.28 | valdyn | DaveQB: if kmutos site lists a driver for your card, then your card is explicitely supported by the linux kernel. |
| 11:50.35 | valdyn | DaveQB: by just that driver |
| 11:50.43 | abrotman | DaveQB: or look with mii-tool |
| 11:50.49 | Trewas | dave132356: xmms (and it's relatives) can be controlled with command line switches, for example xmms -f will jump to next track |
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| 11:51.08 | dave132356 | Trewas, thanks :) |
| 11:51.09 | abrotman | use cplay ? |
| 11:51.12 | valdyn | using java to control xmms sounds like a real funny idea |
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| 11:51.31 | dave132356 | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 11:51.57 | liable | xmms cant be run without x |
| 11:52.00 | DaveQB | valdyn: cool. The driver on the disk "F5D5005" works too, but is a pain and didnt get me Gbit at the time |
| 11:52.12 | Daveman | MORE DAVES! |
| 11:52.17 | DaveQB | abrotman: says Gigabit supported and advertised, also says: |
| 11:52.33 | DaveQB | abrotman: Speed: 10Mb/s |
| 11:52.33 | DaveQB | Duplex: Half |
| 11:52.37 | DaveQB | Daveman: lol |
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| 11:54.19 | _fr33man_ | valdyn, i don't have the resolvconf package installed |
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| 11:55.58 | liable | hehe |
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| 11:56.50 | dave132356 | :) got it working, wow that was easy. linux 1, windows 0. |
| 11:57.59 | valdyn | _fr33man_: man dhclient.conf, see 'supersede' |
| 11:58.32 | mhall | dave132356: *which* working? |
| 11:59.13 | scanf | Any advice? I have abroken dependency, namely: |
| 11:59.16 | scanf | /usr/X11R6/lib/libOSMesa.so.4: undefined symbol: driDispatchRemapTable |
| 11:59.19 | scanf | now, |
| 11:59.45 | scanf | driDispatchRemapTable is "b" (unitialized) in i915_dri.so |
| 11:59.49 | scanf | so |
| 11:59.51 | valdyn | scanf: uname -r |
| 11:59.52 | liable | eh? wtf do you have in that dri for? |
| 12:00.02 | liable | dir |
| 12:00.12 | scanf | 2.6.8 |
| 12:00.31 | dave132356 | mhall, got java to control xmms |
| 12:00.33 | scanf | so |
| 12:00.33 | valdyn | scanf: and 'cat /etc/debian_version' ? |
| 12:00.57 | scanf | valdyn: 3.1 |
| 12:01.13 | scanf | now, when I do the following: |
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| 12:01.32 | scanf | LD_PRELOAD=/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/i915_dri.so <command> |
| 12:01.38 | valdyn | scanf: 2.6.8 wouldnt be the output with a debian kernel |
| 12:01.39 | scanf | I still get the linker error |
| 12:01.49 | valdyn | scanf: using LD_PRELOAD for this is wrong |
| 12:02.07 | scanf | well, that's what I read to do on xorg thread |
| 12:02.14 | scanf | but they are multiüplatfom |
| 12:02.14 | ChaosR | help me, I've destroyed my screens setup, trying to make a dual-screen possible, I installed the official ATI drivers, and now the fonts are all messed up, how can I reset my config? |
| 12:02.20 | valdyn | scanf: fucked up retarded thread? |
| 12:02.26 | scanf | maybe |
| 12:02.29 | scanf | who knows |
| 12:02.33 | scanf | anyway |
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| 12:03.10 | scanf | first question: would 1915_dri resolve this even when driDispatchRemapTable is unitialized in that shared lib? |
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| 12:03.50 | scanf | if so, whatis the correctway to *permanently* link it ot the shared lib /usr/X11R6/lib/libOSMesa.so.4 |
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| 12:04.10 | valdyn | scanf: no way at all |
| 12:04.16 | scanf | * |
| 12:04.42 | scanf | well, what about a on-use basis |
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| 12:04.51 | row | LFS (Large File Support) is enabled in default etch install right? |
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| 12:05.03 | valdyn | scanf: this isnt a shared lib in that sense, its loaded by your X Server, not ld |
| 12:05.22 | althaser | hark ahmm ok :) thanks mate I think its about new xorg because that's the only modified I have nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev installed |
| 12:05.30 | ChaosR | !xorg |
| 12:05.30 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 12:05.36 | althaser | hark I will wait for the new updates today :) thanks one more time |
| 12:05.38 | scanf | valdyn: sorry, I didn't realize that location made such a big differenvce |
| 12:05.51 | valdyn | scanf: its not a location issue |
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| 12:06.04 | scanf | it still listssymbols with nm |
| 12:06.14 | valdyn | scanf: X modules are loaded by your X Server loading a 'plugin' or 'so' object or whatever you want to call it, explicitely |
| 12:06.51 | scanf | valdyn: ok so they are more like module is elf format, not really OS shared libraries, I see your point |
| 12:06.56 | valdyn | scanf: dynamically loaded libraries are loaded by ld automagically |
| 12:07.05 | valdyn | scanf: yep |
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| 12:07.21 | valdyn | scanf: i would rather know what you did to cause this |
| 12:07.30 | ChaosR | how can I reset/reconfig Xorg? |
| 12:07.33 | scanf | backports.org |
| 12:08.01 | scanf | they have the xorg 6.9 that I needed to get hardware acceleration running for i915 chip. |
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| 12:08.08 | scanf | but this is a known bug |
| 12:08.08 | valdyn | scanf: apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade. tell errors or warnings |
| 12:08.12 | funky | hi |
| 12:08.25 | scanf | valdyn: that willbreak a whole lot more |
| 12:08.41 | valdyn | scanf: if that would break more, you have a broken system already |
| 12:08.47 | stew | scanf: are you still running sarge? |
| 12:08.51 | scanf | yes |
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| 12:09.07 | scanf | look, I just want to fix a stupid symbol dependency |
| 12:09.13 | scanf | one dependency |
| 12:09.19 | scanf | not upgrade the dist |
| 12:09.24 | valdyn | scanf: run apt-get -s dist-upgrade instead and show us the output |
| 12:09.47 | valdyn | scanf: if a dist-upgrade does not work, the solution is not to not run it, but to fix the issues, then run it successfully |
| 12:10.28 | valdyn | scanf: i BET you're running a broken mix of packages that just cant work together |
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| 12:10.56 | ChaosR | someone, please help me |
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| 12:11.06 | valdyn | !drxx ChaosR |
| 12:11.07 | dpkg | ChaosR: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 12:11.33 | scanf | valdyn: no. This is is a known xorg bug! (http://www.google.com/search?as_q=driDispatchRemapTable&hl=en&num=100&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images) |
| 12:11.46 | ChaosR | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.51 | enouf | so .. is there anyone else here (using sid), who's /var/lib/python-support/ dir is empty? |
| 12:11.58 | abrotman_ | ChaosR: as root |
| 12:12.27 | x3n0 | how do i migrate my current hardware profile when i update to a new kernel? |
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| 12:12.48 | scanf | this *is* possibly fixed in xorg 7.1, but that hasn't been backported |
| 12:13.03 | RichiH | x3n0: do you use a self-compiled kernel? |
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| 12:13.32 | RichiH | enouf: i got python2.3 python2.4 |
| 12:14.09 | scanf | so, can I use a 'unitialized' symbol from another module to resolve the driDispatchRemapTable symbol in /usr/X11R6/lib/libOSMesa.so.4? |
| 12:14.32 | scanf | at all? even on a per-use basis somehow? |
| 12:14.38 | x3n0 | RichiH, I want to, but this is more about using the 2.6.20 kernel image... |
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| 12:15.10 | RichiH | x3n0: then just upgrade |
| 12:15.18 | scanf | ...everyone got real quiet... |
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| 12:15.31 | enouf | RichiH: I should to i thought as apt-listchanges (whenever I dpkg-reconfigure it) says; Launching dpkg-reconfigure for apt-listchanges. One moment... || Can't list /var/lib/python-support/python2.3 || Can't list /var/lib/python-support/python2.4 |
| 12:15.41 | enouf | er s/to/too |
| 12:15.52 | norc | Is there any way to remove the 2-3 seconds you have to wait if you enter a wrong password in su, or what package is responsible for this delay? |
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| 12:16.14 | enouf | I've since upgraded my python-support pkgs .. to no avail |
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| 12:16.42 | x3n0 | RichiH, I have the image installed but on boot it causses a kernel panic saying that there isn't a hardware profile available... |
| 12:17.07 | enouf | In all fairness I have many things not upgraded, but i don;t play with a /preferences, nor apt.conf file either |
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| 12:17.25 | stew | abrotman_: did you get to see the game last night? |
| 12:17.33 | stew | (nice tail) |
| 12:17.33 | ChaosR | :(, didn't work |
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| 12:17.52 | enouf | IOW.. my repo list and sources.list is all in order (standard/ default), save for the multimedia repos |
| 12:17.56 | abrotman_ | stew: NO! |
| 12:18.02 | Betzefer | any 1 needs help ? |
| 12:18.03 | abrotman_ | stew: but i saw some postgame stuff |
| 12:18.06 | ChaosR | I guess I need to reinstall debian |
| 12:18.08 | enouf | stew: please .. don;t tell us! |
| 12:18.21 | stew | enouf: you saw it |
| 12:18.28 | x3n0 | Betzefer, Loads required! :s |
| 12:18.28 | enouf | stew: I turned it Off .. wanna see just the end later on Encore perf. :-P |
| 12:18.45 | stew | :) |
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| 12:18.54 | RichiH | x3n0: never had that one.. groups.google.com? |
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| 12:19.01 | abrotman | stew: i heard after rivera broke his arm .. it was all down hill |
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| 12:19.19 | abrotman | stew: :) |
| 12:19.20 | enouf | stew: go ahead .. i'll jump over to another channel for 5 minutes .. |
| 12:19.23 | craigo | root |
| 12:19.28 | x3n0 | RichiH, Thanks! I'll take a look... |
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| 12:19.48 | juice` | my system time is going too slow! what can i do? i really mean what i said. When i set it up with hwclock --hctosys it's synchronizing, but 30 sec after that my hwclock is ok and my system date is already late for like 5 seconds |
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| 12:20.20 | ChaosR | does anyone have some time to help me repairing this? |
| 12:20.21 | juice` | after few minutes it's 1 minute late and so on |
| 12:20.37 | abrotman | stew: and i might not see today's game either |
| 12:20.46 | xoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.55 | juice` | xoz: 2.6.21-rc6-mm1 |
| 12:20.56 | abrotman | stew: how was the fancy restaurant? :) |
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| 12:21.21 | xoz | juice`: check previous kernel if same problem. |
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| 12:21.28 | stew | abrotman: it was good, they moved the restaurant around to get us in front of the game |
| 12:21.35 | stew | abrotman: come up for a bbq and the game today |
| 12:21.51 | abrotman | stew: can't .. i might be helping a co-worker move :( |
| 12:21.57 | juice` | xoz: i tried 2.6.21-rc3-mm2 and it was the same i think |
| 12:21.58 | abrotman | stew: or else it sounds like a great idea :) |
| 12:22.10 | x3n0 | juice, 2.6.21-rc6-mm1 ? WTF! |
| 12:22.15 | abrotman | stew: nice day for a drive .. that's for sure |
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| 12:22.30 | nelf | ping somedomain.com works, so does dig @ip-address-in-resolv.con somedomain.com, 'dig somedomain.com' times out? |
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| 12:22.41 | juice` | x3n0: yes, 2.6.21-rc6-mm1, because it has reiser4 support and i need reiser's transparent compression |
| 12:22.41 | valdyn | juice`: why are you running an mm kernel? |
| 12:22.55 | juice` | valdyn: like i said to x3n0 |
| 12:22.58 | valdyn | juice`: can you debug kernel code? |
| 12:23.02 | juice` | would love to not use it. |
| 12:23.04 | abrotman | also a nice day for a ride :) |
| 12:23.08 | juice` | valdyn: sure, can you tell me how? :) |
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| 12:23.39 | xoz | juice`: most likey the regression is due to unstable kernel tree |
| 12:23.40 | stew | a nice day to move from apache to apache2 as well |
| 12:24.00 | juice` | xoz: thanks, that pretty answers my question. i will try to install 2.6.20 and see what happens |
| 12:24.06 | x3n0 | my setup seems totally b0rkd |
| 12:24.14 | juice` | xoz: are there any other possibilities? |
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| 12:24.27 | juice` | xoz: my bios clock is going fine |
| 12:24.36 | valdyn | juice`: you're funny really, mm kernels aren't even compilable normally if you're not lucky, on top of that reiser4 is a not yet ready filesystem with transparent compression being an even less stable feature with PREDICTED incompatiblities in on disk format coming. |
| 12:24.41 | x3n0 | its a real hack job! |
| 12:24.42 | abrotman | stew: eh .. not so much :) |
| 12:24.55 | valdyn | juice`: good luck.. |
| 12:25.06 | lost-gone | i have been perusing the debian mirrors and have seen a 4.0 kde iso is this a cd that will only install debian 4.0 with kde instead of the default gnome ? |
| 12:25.43 | juice` | valdyn: pretty much i think you are funny, because i use it all and have no other problems than this minor clock bug |
| 12:26.03 | juice` | anyways... thanks for help xoz |
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| 12:28.28 | x3n0 | sata raid is a real piig to configure! |
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| 12:29.10 | xoz | juice`: file a bug report to mm tree |
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| 12:29.38 | Betzefer | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 12:29.38 | Betzefer | kernel? |
| 12:29.54 | valdyn | Betzefer: on which debian release? |
| 12:29.57 | Betzefer | 4 |
| 12:30.11 | xand | !speedtouch |
| 12:30.16 | Betzefer | i want to install vmware |
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| 12:30.40 | juice` | xoz: yes, but i'm trying to find a page where to file this bug |
| 12:30.48 | valdyn | Betzefer: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r); then your headers are at /lib/modules/(uname -r)/source/ |
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| 12:30.53 | abrotman | !usb speedtouch |
| 12:30.54 | liable | i knew i shouldnt have restarted x after mesa and xorg upgrades |
| 12:31.08 | juice` | xoz: any idea? i will find it sooner or later, but maybe you know |
| 12:32.04 | valdyn | juice`: its documented in your kernel source tree |
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| 12:32.19 | xoz | juice`: no idea. many factors to consider. |
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| 12:34.43 | pingouin | i made a mistake at the installation of Etch, with the time zone, how can i set it up back now ? |
| 12:34.54 | valdyn | !timezone |
| 12:34.54 | dpkg | timezone is probably "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 12:35.10 | pingouin | ok, thanks you very much valdyn |
| 12:35.35 | ChaosR | why does the font change when I connect 2 screens, and how do I enable dual-monitor? |
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| 12:36.23 | pingouin | ChaosR: i dont really understand how font works with xorg...., but for the dual it's in the xorg.conf i guess |
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| 12:36.31 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.31 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.31 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.31 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.31 | Betzefer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:38.18 | pingouin | :) |
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| 12:38.18 | ChrisW | when upgrading from sarge to etch, should I upgrade my servers' kernels? |
| 12:38.18 | pingouin | welcome back Betzefer ;) |
| 12:38.19 | Betzefer | thanks |
| 12:38.19 | Betzefer | man |
| 12:38.19 | Betzefer | can u anwser my question ? |
| 12:38.20 | pingouin | sorry no, i even dont know what is vmware ;) |
| 12:38.20 | Betzefer | u dont use it ? |
| 12:38.21 | pingouin | i guess....no.. |
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| 12:38.28 | noorul | what did you try to install? |
| 12:38.40 | robin_sz | I keep hearing of vmware, but never actually seen it |
| 12:38.50 | Betzefer | so how do virualizde |
| 12:38.52 | pingouin | !vmware |
| 12:38.52 | Betzefer | ? |
| 12:38.58 | pingouin | what is vmware ? |
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| 12:39.11 | noorul | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.19 | pingouin | !timezone |
| 12:39.30 | robin_sz | pingouin, a virtualisation platform, run multiple os;s on same machien at same time |
| 12:39.33 | pingouin | and why this stupid bot never answer me ? :/ |
| 12:39.39 | robin_sz | eg Linux and wndows |
| 12:39.43 | pingouin | ok robin_sz |
| 12:39.51 | pingouin | so sure i dont use it, dont need to |
| 12:39.57 | robin_sz | the windows machine can access the apache server on the linux machine ... etc |
| 12:40.10 | robin_sz | handy for web development |
| 12:40.18 | x3n0 | very |
| 12:40.33 | jcl | handy for *development |
| 12:40.38 | noorul | bet. |
| 12:40.42 | jcl | snapshot's ftw |
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| 12:40.54 | robin_sz | x3n0, there is an alternative |
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| 12:41.30 | x3n0 | ...? |
| 12:41.34 | x3n0 | xxen |
| 12:41.55 | robin_sz | x3n0, instead of testing in IE7 on the vmare windows, just use firefox and view it on linux .. then check it conforms to the W3C standards |
| 12:42.10 | robin_sz | if it doesnt work for windows users, fsck em |
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| 12:42.37 | x3n0 | my code is ALWAYS standards compliant |
| 12:42.40 | ChrisW | robin_sz: yes, I'm sure that approach works for all commercial web apps ;-) |
| 12:43.04 | x3n0 | i don't bend over to get shafted by the borg |
| 12:43.12 | robin_sz | x3n0, quite |
| 12:44.46 | x3n0 | i tend to go for the standards also because ANYONE can view my work from any browser... |
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| 12:45.38 | x3n0 | I'm sure we would all like to restrict our sites to *nix based system access |
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| 12:45.50 | abrotman | pingouin: i think the bot died |
| 12:46.08 | x3n0 | RIP |
| 12:46.12 | artagnon | Which software can give information like the mode of a DVD-RW (Restricted Overwrite or SAO mode)? |
| 12:46.13 | x3n0 | ;) |
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| 12:46.23 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 12:46.33 | pingouin | hi abrotman , ok, sad for him, hope the death was not to painfull ;) |
| 12:46.59 | artagnon | abrotman: Can it? |
| 12:47.08 | abrotman | pingouin: his raison d'etre is .. gone |
| 12:47.18 | abrotman | artagnon: look through it a bit |
| 12:47.21 | abrotman | dmesg | less |
| 12:47.23 | pingouin | but when valdyn did : !timezone he got and answer, and me nothing |
| 12:47.33 | valdyn | !test |
| 12:47.34 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 12:47.38 | valdyn | !timezone |
| 12:47.38 | dpkg | i heard timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 12:47.39 | artagnon | abrotman: Ofcourse, I'll try |
| 12:47.41 | vchrizz | !timezone |
| 12:47.49 | abrotman | BOT DEAD |
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| 12:47.53 | vchrizz | nope |
| 12:47.55 | vchrizz | it works |
| 12:47.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is napping |
| 12:47.58 | valdyn | pingouin: maybe you're not registered? |
| 12:48.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: nm |
| 12:48.04 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:48.05 | vchrizz | <dpkg> Someone already said that 3 seconds ago |
| 12:48.08 | vchrizz | :) |
| 12:48.22 | abrotman | why didn't he answer pingouin ? |
| 12:48.34 | abrotman | oh well |
| 12:49.03 | zamuro | Well... we all know dpkg is temperamental. |
| 12:49.17 | zamuro | So, maybe he just doens't like pingouin. |
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| 12:49.25 | abrotman | or pingouin is on his ignore list :) |
| 12:49.26 | pingouin | now i am, forget to /msg NickServ identify blahblah |
| 12:49.42 | pingouin | abrotman: why ?! |
| 12:49.43 | artagnon | abrotman: Nope. I can't find it. These are the two lines I got while mounting it: "ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3, ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A" |
| 12:49.53 | pingouin | abrotman: because i'm black and jew ? |
| 12:49.58 | pingouin | abrotman: damn bot ! |
| 12:50.07 | abrotman | artagnon: for the drive .. not the disc .. right ? |
| 12:50.13 | abrotman | pingouin: NFC |
| 12:50.21 | artagnon | abrotman: No! For the disc |
| 12:50.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:50.40 | artagnon | sorry, I wasn't clear enough |
| 12:50.46 | abrotman | no need to get excited :) |
| 12:51.03 | artagnon | :) |
| 12:51.19 | robin_sz | clue |
| 12:52.29 | abrotman | i don't see anything in my quick apt-cache searches |
| 12:52.59 | artagnon | abrotman: Neither do I :) |
| 12:53.09 | artagnon | just the usual trash like gnome baker and k3b |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | maybe ask ##linux |
| 12:53.41 | artagnon | I badly need a CLI frontend to burn |
| 12:53.44 | artagnon | abrotman: Ok |
| 12:53.55 | abrotman | artagnon: gnomebaker can't burn ? |
| 12:54.19 | artagnon | abrotman: It can, but you don't know if the disc is multisessioned or not half the time |
| 12:54.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:54.25 | artagnon | you have no data about the disk |
| 12:54.26 | abrotman | graveman ? |
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| 12:54.49 | abrotman | can cdrkit see it ? if not .. i'm not sure anything will be able to |
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| 12:55.04 | artagnon | abrotman: Haven't used it. I should try |
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| 12:55.15 | abrotman | your applications are front ends to it |
| 12:55.37 | abrotman | !info cdrkit-doc etch |
| 12:55.40 | dpkg | cdrkit-doc: (Documentation for the cdrkit package suite), section doc, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 12:55.45 | abrotman | !info wodim etch |
| 12:55.52 | dpkg | wodim: (command line CD/DVD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 410 kB, Installed size: 816 kB |
| 12:56.15 | abrotman | and i guess you'd have to read dvdrw-tools docs too |
| 12:56.45 | ChrisW | hmm, seems busier now so I'll try again: going from sarge to etch, I should be going from a 2.4 to 2.6 kernel, right? |
| 12:56.46 | botox | ive installed nvidia drivers for an 8800 gts, all works fine, but my monitor stays blank |
| 12:56.55 | botox | ive specified monitor type as crt |
| 12:56.59 | ChrisW | do I do this before or after I've upgraded to etch? and how do I do it? |
| 12:57.02 | botox | anyone else had this problem? |
| 12:57.04 | abrotman | ChrisW: ideally .. yes |
| 12:57.12 | abrotman | ChrisW: i'd personalyl do it before |
| 12:57.18 | ChrisW | okay, and how di I do it? |
| 12:57.24 | abrotman | what's your CPU ? |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | and od you have sata ? |
| 12:57.49 | ChrisW | hmm, I only know for 1 of the machines... |
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| 12:58.03 | abrotman | are they all PII or higher ? |
| 12:58.04 | ChrisW | which i'm pretty certain is sata, but how do I check on the other 7? |
| 12:58.20 | ChrisW | yes, pretty certain, although I think they're mostly amd |
| 12:58.25 | nelf | ping somedomain.com works, so does dig @ip-address-in-resolv.con somedomain.com, 'dig somedomain.com' times out? |
| 12:58.28 | jonaskoelker | ... I have a question |
| 12:58.32 | abrotman | you'll just have to be careful because the devices will probably get renamed and your bootloader might freak out |
| 12:58.39 | ChrisW | :-( |
| 12:58.41 | abrotman | the kernel is kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 12:58.47 | ChrisW | only one of the 8 machines is local |
| 12:58.49 | jonaskoelker | I have an intel mobo with onboard graphics (D865GLC, i810), and an nvidia nforce card |
| 12:58.54 | ChrisW | and even that has no monitor or keyboard... |
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| 12:59.02 | abrotman | and'll just need to be prepared for working with bootloader to switch from hda to sda .. etc |
| 12:59.08 | jonaskoelker | when I plug the nvidia card in, the intel board doesn't show up in lspci. When I take the nvidia card out, it does show up |
| 12:59.15 | ChrisW | how do I chekc what kernel I have? |
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| 12:59.21 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: that's a bios function |
| 12:59.25 | abrotman | ChrisW: uname -a |
| 12:59.26 | jonaskoelker | I want to use two monitors; my attempts fail; what can I do? |
| 12:59.29 | ChrisW | and how do I fiddle with a bootlaoder over ssh?! |
| 12:59.43 | abrotman | ChrisW: they have conf files .. especially grub |
| 12:59.43 | amphi | jonaskoelker: use one monitor? ;) |
| 12:59.45 | bintut | anyone here uses a usb-->serial cable? |
| 12:59.48 | ChrisW | server2 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 12:59.50 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: :( |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | bintut: google ? |
| 12:59.57 | jonaskoelker | s/abrotman/amphi/ |
| 13:00.03 | nelf | I have this same dig issue across several etch machines |
| 13:00.20 | abrotman | jonas3: check .. you might be able to stop that from happening .. though i suspect you'll actually need a PCI card instead of AGP |
| 13:00.29 | nelf | I'm using ipv4, have the lo interface set up correctly, and eth0 |
| 13:00.46 | liable | why is my x broken?!?! |
| 13:00.49 | bintut | abrotman: yeah, i just did.. i tried 'apt-cache search usbserial' or anything related to usb serial but it's not in the repository |
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| 13:00.57 | liable | help me you fuxorz |
| 13:01.09 | nelf | I cannot use dig to query a nameserver unless I specify the dns server using the '@' command. The manual says it should take the value from my /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 13:01.10 | jonaskoelker | ... so, I have to install a new bios? |
| 13:01.15 | abrotman | bintut: aren't you asking about a cable ? |
| 13:01.21 | abrotman | liable: karma |
| 13:01.29 | jahshua | hehe |
| 13:01.38 | liable | !karma liable |
| 13:01.38 | dpkg | liable has karma of 4 |
| 13:01.40 | pingouin | jonaskoelker: just check the options of the bios, about wich video is on/off , no ? |
| 13:01.44 | liable | abrotman: ?? |
| 13:01.44 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: check your bios .. |
| 13:01.55 | bintut | abrotman: yes. but you answered right away.. |
| 13:02.00 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: but i'd be willing to bet you'll need to get a PCI vid card instead of AGP |
| 13:02.08 | abrotman | bintut: okay |
| 13:02.13 | hark | liable: evil ati drivers? |
| 13:02.15 | abrotman | liable: we'd need details :) |
| 13:02.22 | liable | hark: of course :) |
| 13:02.30 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: why would that be? |
| 13:02.45 | abrotman | because it can only handle one AGP device at a time possibly ? |
| 13:02.47 | artagnon | Why isn't bashburn on the Debian repos? |
| 13:02.51 | bintut | abrotman: i have here a usb-->serial cable but i don't know how to enable it using minicom. i tried looking at google but someone discusses about usbserial which i can't find it in the etch repository |
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| 13:03.13 | abrotman | bintut: ah .. i thought you were looking for a converter cable |
| 13:03.15 | ma3x | is there such a thing as unix as operative system? |
| 13:03.16 | bintut | abrotman: i want to access a box through serial |
| 13:03.19 | ma3x | as distro? |
| 13:03.24 | ChrisW | abrotman: most of them seem ot be on 2.6.12-1-686, which is bizarre, since I don't think I did that update and the uptime on all these machines is 80-300 days... |
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| 13:03.27 | liable | hark: but xgl on top to make it even more fucking annoying and hard to debug |
| 13:03.30 | Deimos__ | hi |
| 13:03.31 | abrotman | ma3x: this channel is for Debian support |
| 13:03.39 | ChrisW | how long has 2.6.12-1-686 been around? |
| 13:03.47 | ChrisW | is it the latest stable kernel package? |
| 13:03.50 | abrotman | a while .. it's badly out of date |
| 13:03.53 | ma3x | abrotman, I know, I was just wondering if unix is os too |
| 13:03.53 | bintut | abrotman: no. do you have any idea how to access a box through serial port but on your end it's a usb port? |
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| 13:03.55 | abrotman | 2.6.18 |
| 13:04.01 | liable | hark: i was happy for 4 months while etch was in rc status, they didnt break xgl for the whole time |
| 13:04.03 | abrotman | you've got a bad mix of oldstable/stable |
| 13:04.08 | abrotman | ma3x: this channel is for Debian support |
| 13:04.18 | ma3x | abrotman, I told you I know that |
| 13:04.26 | abrotman | so it's not for Unix questions |
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| 13:04.34 | ChrisW | okay, well, I also have one on 2.4.26 and one on 2.4.27-2-386, what should I do with those two? |
| 13:04.35 | scead | does anyone know anything more about the nvidia module not being detected by X.org? |
| 13:04.46 | Deimos__ | has anybody an idea on the purpose of the section call_gmon_start ? |
| 13:04.47 | abrotman | ChrisW: depends if they have sata |
| 13:04.50 | ma3x | abrotman, debian belongs to unix too, no? |
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| 13:04.55 | abrotman | ma3x: nope |
| 13:04.55 | hark | liable: heh, someone with nvidia earlier had trouble with it too |
| 13:05.00 | abrotman | ma3x: nope |
| 13:05.03 | abrotman | whoops |
| 13:05.04 | ma3x | abrotman, it belongs to linux and linux is under unix |
| 13:05.11 | ChrisW | abrotman: I'm pretty certain the 2.4.27-2-386 one has sata |
| 13:05.17 | abrotman | ma3x: no |
| 13:05.17 | scead | oh, so more people are having trouble with nvidia |
| 13:05.22 | ChrisW | butthat, thankfully, if the machine I have physical access to |
| 13:05.25 | scead | its not just me |
| 13:05.26 | ma3x | scead, get ATI |
| 13:05.27 | nelf | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix |
| 13:05.28 | liable | hark: as soon as i saw mesa in the upgrade i knew i was in for trouble |
| 13:05.34 | scead | NO U |
| 13:05.36 | bintut | abrotman: and based on this page ==> http://www.linux.jjplus.com/startup.htm it says that i should be expecting a /dev/ttyUSB0 device here |
| 13:05.42 | ChrisW | the 2.4.26 one is quite old, so I don't know if it has sata, how would I check? |
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| 13:06.01 | abrotman | bintut: which makes sense .. but i bet you need to load a certain driver first |
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| 13:06.52 | bintut | abrotman: any idea what driver should i use here? and, do you think it's in the default debian kernel? |
| 13:07.06 | DawnLight | i am about to die from lack of success in getting multiple displays to work with fglrx(ati proprietary) |
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| 13:07.18 | abrotman | bintut: no yes :) |
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| 13:07.49 | ma3x | hey liable long time no see, what happened to ya/ |
| 13:08.45 | thnee | all of a sudden this morning my screen with irssi had died, i rebooted, without checking errors cause i dont usually have a monitor on it, when i reboot it doesnt come up again, i plug in a monitor and see a kernel panic, some stacktrace about acpi, i reboot with acpi=off, it boots, i think all is well, then i realize i dont have network, i reboot, i get network, i start screen irssi, its on for a few minutes and then it dies, and thats what it does now, i |
| 13:09.18 | thnee | the computer has worked perfect for overa year, i had not touched anything cause i was sleeping |
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| 13:09.36 | abrotman | hardware does die ... |
| 13:09.39 | thnee | this is a bad morning for me :( |
| 13:09.52 | scead | wear and tear |
| 13:09.55 | thnee | yeah well.. is that the only reason these errors can occur? |
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| 13:10.11 | abrotman | thnee: no .. but hardware does fail :) |
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| 13:10.24 | Mooi | Hello, what software could I use to mix some samples into a music track? |
| 13:10.25 | thnee | ofc |
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| 13:10.36 | zamuro | Mooi: Audacity |
| 13:10.49 | earthian | hello, how do i revert an upgrade of a package to a previous version? |
| 13:10.52 | zamuro | If you want a synth, use rosegarden instead. |
| 13:10.58 | Mooi | zamuro: does it have multiple channels? |
| 13:10.59 | thnee | abrotman: so do you have any ideas what i can look for? |
| 13:11.01 | ChrisW | abrotman: okay, so how di ifind out what the kernel package name I have is, based on the output of uname, and how do I update it? |
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| 13:11.05 | Mooi | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.06 | zamuro | Mooi: Yup... |
| 13:11.30 | abrotman | ChrisW: i told you how to update it .. but you have to be careful when you have sata because the devices will get renamed when it reboots |
| 13:11.41 | abrotman | if they're 2.4.x now |
| 13:11.43 | ChrisW | oh? I must have missed it... |
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| 13:12.02 | abrotman | thnee: get a livecd and run a memtest for starters |
| 13:12.14 | abrotman | or use the memtest bootdisc |
| 13:12.20 | thnee | abrotman: yeah i was thinking of that |
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| 13:12.43 | thnee | just thought id see if you guys had any other ideas first |
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| 13:14.15 | Mooi | okay, coolness |
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| 13:15.16 | earthian | hello, how do i revert an upgrade of a package to a previous version? |
| 13:15.32 | artagnon | Isn't lame on the repos? If so what is it called? I searched through the apt-cache search but I can't find it |
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| 13:17.20 | Pobega | earthian: If the old version is still in /var/cache/apt/archives you can always "dpkg -i" it, and tell apt to keep it the same version using /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:17.29 | Lorvija | hey. is there any way to make this work: i need my server to act as a proxy for my laptop... the idea is that when i'd go to web in (slow & insecure) wireless connections with my laptop i could connect to my server through ssh tunnel and the proxy would also compress the data to speed things up... this possible+ |
| 13:17.30 | Lorvija | ? |
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| 13:17.55 | earthian | Pobega, thanks. And there will not be much conflicts with the newer version of the same package? |
| 13:18.17 | Pobega | earthian: As long as you're not trying to force an outdated install of a library it should be fine. |
| 13:18.29 | liable | yay, xorg is quite broken if you use fglrx |
| 13:18.34 | earthian | no, its just wine stuff :) thanks. |
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| 13:22.17 | stew | note to self: /quit is not /part |
| 13:22.22 | perlmonk | Hi everyone :) Anyone might be able to tell me why on earth gnome depends on "ekiga softphone" ? |
| 13:22.40 | valdyn | perlmonk: why shouldnt it? |
| 13:22.46 | perlmonk | Why should it ? |
| 13:22.52 | ChrisW | hi all, how can I find out what processor a machine has in it from a bash prompt? |
| 13:22.58 | perlmonk | it's a softphone.... gnome is a desktop env.... |
| 13:22.59 | liable | gnome is a huge metatard package |
| 13:23.01 | Pobega | perlmonk: Ekiga is a GNOME-app, so gnome depends on it. But gnome-core doesn't (Shouldn't) |
| 13:23.09 | valdyn | perlmonk: because the gnome package installs all gnome software |
| 13:23.15 | perlmonk | hum, ok |
| 13:23.21 | perlmonk | it's a meta package |
| 13:23.23 | perlmonk | thanks |
| 13:23.27 | dmilith | valdyn: omit it |
| 13:23.28 | earthian | ChrisW, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:23.29 | stew | perlmonk: ask the gnome-desktop-environment maintainer |
| 13:23.46 | perlmonk | stew, ok thanks |
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| 13:24.21 | stew | perlmonk: however, it is not suprising. if you don't want everything gnome under then sun, don't use the big meta-packages |
| 13:24.23 | liable | whats thunderbird called now? |
| 13:24.34 | Pobega | liable: icedove? |
| 13:24.42 | liable | ya, thanks |
| 13:25.05 | ChrisW | earthian: thanks! |
| 13:25.13 | perlmonk | stew, now If I recall right, trying to remove the meta package will want to remove all things it depends on, right ? |
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| 13:25.43 | Pobega | perlmonk: Only if they were installed through the meta package and not manually, I believe. But that may be only with aptitude, not sure how apt handles things. |
| 13:25.49 | hark | perlmonk: heh, if you used aptitude |
| 13:25.54 | Pobega | s/apt/apt-get/g |
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| 13:26.22 | enouf | stew: in fedora, /usr/bin/java -> /etc/alternatives/java -> /opt/jre1.6.0_01/bin/java. yuck |
| 13:26.30 | perlmonk | hark, apt-get / dpkg is as powerfull as aptitude, it's just to uninstall without removing deps |
| 13:26.32 | enouf | stew: form another there |
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| 13:27.06 | Pobega | perlmonk: Which is exactly why he said it. |
| 13:27.24 | enouf | naturally, you know /usr/bin/x-www-browser -> /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser .. so one then can set the alternatives |
| 13:27.26 | liable | perlmonk: the problem with aptitude is that it remembers auto installed packages, so, in the case of a metapackage, it will remove the rest |
| 13:27.30 | perlmonk | Pobega, I don't think so |
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| 13:27.40 | stew | enouf: i really just needed to know about x-www-browser, i'm adding a patch for rosegarden to prefer that over konqueror (as it is now), and if x-www-browser was a more universal thing i would send the patch upstream. if fedora doesn't have it, i'm not going to bother |
| 13:28.02 | enouf | stew: i see .. |
| 13:28.07 | Pobega | liable: That's not a PROBLEM, some people (Me) perfer their package manager to act like that. |
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| 13:28.48 | perlmonk | Well, it's not a problem at all |
| 13:29.04 | perlmonk | I was simply making sure I remember well how the stuff works. |
| 13:29.28 | perlmonk | I only have one machine left running on debian, everything else run bsd now... that's why |
| 13:29.39 | ma3x | hi stew ! was that flashplayer nonfree available for x64? |
| 13:29.41 | utrrrongeeb | I tried upgrading my sarge system to etch, but several problems appeared. The first: Where did boot-admin, of Gnome System Tools, go? |
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| 13:30.25 | stew | ma3x: no |
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| 13:30.48 | apk | Should my ~/.Xauthority by chmod xx0 ? |
| 13:31.06 | apk | Is it bad for it to be chmod xx4 ? |
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| 13:31.19 | HostilePenguin | what does the capitol A next to the i in aptitude mean? |
| 13:31.32 | stew | HostilePenguin: automatically installed |
| 13:31.44 | HostilePenguin | ty |
| 13:31.44 | liable | i wish the freedesktop people would update the wiki |
| 13:31.46 | ChrisW | right, trying to install the linux-image-2.6-686 on a machine, I got a warning from aptitude saying I shouldn't try and remove the running kernel image... okay, that makes sense, but how am I suppose to upgrade? |
| 13:31.49 | stew | HostilePenguin: it was installed to satisfy a dependency (youdidn't explicitly ask for it) |
| 13:32.07 | Pobega | ChrisW: Boot into another kernel and do it. |
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| 13:32.30 | hark | utrrrongeeb: it's been removed iirc |
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| 13:32.33 | NatNiet | Hi folks pls advice where is the samba passwd file stored ? |
| 13:32.41 | ChrisW | Pobega: this is nuts, I just want to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, can I not persuade aptitude just to leave the old kernel alone? |
| 13:32.42 | HostilePenguin | kde is freaking me out so many errors |
| 13:32.46 | valdyn | NatNiet: your choice |
| 13:32.46 | ChrisW | (until the reboot...) |
| 13:33.00 | Pobega | ChrisW: Why doesn't it have a version number? 2.6.18-4-686, etc. |
| 13:33.07 | utrrrongeeb | Following the upgrade, gdm displays text characters as little boxes, and the graphical greeter won't load. I can log in, but it's otherwise almost unusuable. |
| 13:33.41 | Pobega | ChrisW: But yeah, I've done kernel upgrades without things breaking; But it CAN break stuff, Debian is the only distro I've seen that WARNS you about it though. |
| 13:33.53 | ChrisW | Pobega: okay, you may not be the right person to be providing help then ;-) it's a kernel metapackage, it brings down the latest kernel... |
| 13:34.17 | Pobega | ChrisW: I've just never used those packages myself ;D Let me go check it out. |
| 13:34.28 | valdyn | NatNiet: nm, i guess /etc/samba/smbpasswd is the default |
| 13:34.32 | utrrrongeeb | hark: Thanks, is there any graphical way to edit GRUB? I finally managed to edit menu.lst (the wait was because I've used LILO elsewhere, and I didn't know what to rerun), but is there a graphical way? |
| 13:34.47 | liable | ChrisW: your upgrading from sarge? |
| 13:35.11 | NatNiet | valdyn: any default value ? |
| 13:35.20 | ChrisW | liable: correct |
| 13:35.21 | Pobega | ChrisW: Yeah, just boot into an older kernel and do it; If you have one, that is (I never touched the 2.6-686 metapackage, I didn't even know about it) |
| 13:35.37 | HostilePenguin | and also why does it say lenny/sid when i shut down? |
| 13:35.39 | ChrisW | abrotman suggested upgrading the kernel first |
| 13:35.41 | hark | utrrrongeeb: not in Debian that i am aware of.. |
| 13:35.42 | HostilePenguin | not just lenny? |
| 13:35.46 | Pobega | utrrrongeeb: ...gedit? |
| 13:35.47 | liable | ChrisW: your following the release notes? |
| 13:35.52 | ChrisW | yep |
| 13:35.59 | Pobega | utrrrongeeb: I dn't think there is any graphical "suite" though, no. |
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| 13:36.04 | ChrisW | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html, section 4.6 |
| 13:36.13 | liable | ChrisW: good. I had the same problem |
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| 13:36.26 | liable | ChrisW: did you try the unmark-auto shizzle? |
| 13:36.47 | ChrisW | that didn't seem to be referring to kernel upgrades... |
| 13:37.08 | ma3x | stew, yesterday you suggested me to chroot to i386 and run iceweasel from there. is it also possible to install 32 bit iceweasel on 64 bit debian? |
| 13:37.16 | liable | ChrisW: humour me and try it |
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| 13:37.32 | liable | ChrisW: i dont think it will help, but i want to see if it does |
| 13:37.51 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
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| 13:38.57 | qweqweqwe | is there a gui based system config utility for debian? |
| 13:39.17 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: to configure what? |
| 13:39.45 | qweqweqwe | servers, firewall, users etc |
| 13:39.48 | utrrrongeeb | hark, Pobega: Thanks, good to know it was removed instead of disappeared... GDM is displaying text characters as little boxes. I can still log in, but it's almost unusable. It also won't use the graphical greeter. When I log in, characters display correctly. |
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| 13:40.13 | valdyn | i doubt there's any decent firewall configuration gui ever on any system |
| 13:40.30 | liable | zonealarm ftw! |
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| 13:40.38 | scead | no, norton lol! |
| 13:40.38 | valdyn | ooooooo |
| 13:40.41 | liable | ducks and runs |
| 13:40.51 | qweqweqwe | ok, but what about gui config programs for debian? |
| 13:40.59 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: hundreds |
| 13:41.11 | scead | qweqweqwe: webmin might be a good one for you |
| 13:41.14 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: you need to tell what you want to do in which desktop environment |
| 13:41.21 | perlmonk | Where can I get a clear explication of why firefox is now iceweasel and why all moz products have now been renamed ? |
| 13:41.28 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: kde has its own user manager, as does gnome |
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| 13:41.33 | perlmonk | !webmin |
| 13:41.33 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 13:41.34 | qweqweqwe | i need to do i? :-) |
| 13:41.49 | perlmonk | scead, Don't recommand webmin |
| 13:41.51 | liable | perlmonk: /msg dpkg why iceweasal |
| 13:41.53 | qweqweqwe | i'm looking for the deb equiv of yast, or redhat-config.... |
| 13:41.58 | perlmonk | liable, Thanks |
| 13:42.00 | scead | why not? |
| 13:42.15 | perlmonk | scead, read what I just asked dpkg to write down |
| 13:42.17 | liable | its not in debian now for a start |
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| 13:42.37 | scead | so? |
| 13:42.40 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: does not exist, but you already knew that from yesterday |
| 13:42.49 | liable | ChrisW: ping |
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| 13:42.58 | ChrisW | liable: yes> |
| 13:42.58 | perlmonk | !tell scead about webmin |
| 13:43.10 | qweqweqwe | valdyn: no i knew someone said that yesterday |
| 13:43.10 | scead | stop telling me. |
| 13:43.13 | scead | i don't care. |
| 13:43.13 | ChrisW | I refuse to believe I'm the only person who's seen this problem, so am googling... |
| 13:43.27 | artagnon | Isn't lame on the repos? If so what is it called? I searched through the apt-cache search but I can't find it |
| 13:43.29 | liable | ChrisW: dude, just try what i said |
| 13:43.35 | ChrisW | try what? |
| 13:43.44 | valdyn | scead: webmin is not even in debian anymore, i thought |
| 13:43.49 | liable | ChrisW: i just want you to try it, then when it doesnt work, i'll tell you the fix :P |
| 13:43.51 | scead | lol |
| 13:44.04 | Ronin | valdyn: its not, iirc its been removed as of etch |
| 13:44.11 | liable | ChrisW: the unmarkauto thing from the release notes |
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| 13:44.29 | zinx | ChrisW: Just tell it to install it anyway. |
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| 13:44.51 | utrrrongeeb | Following upgrading to Etch, GDM is displaying text characters as little boxes. I can still log in, but it's almost unusable. It also won't use the graphical greeter. When I log in, characters display correctly. |
| 13:44.53 | liable | zinx: no, aptitude wants to remove the running kernel, which is very fucking bad |
| 13:45.02 | ChrisW | liable: well, if you know what you're suggestion won't work, why don't you just tell me the fix in the first place? |
| 13:45.09 | zinx | liable: oh? i thought it wanted to reinstall the running kernel :/ |
| 13:45.15 | Jonny | liable, I seem to get that on a regular basis at the moment |
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| 13:45.21 | Jonny | On sarge machines using 'stable' in their apt sources |
| 13:45.25 | ChrisW | zinx: huh? did you actually read what my problem was? |
| 13:45.26 | liable | ChrisW: because i want a second opinion on what happened to me.. |
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| 13:45.36 | valdyn | qweqweqwe: debian is a few times as big as the next distro, there's no tool anywhere to configure it all. There's seperate tools for many servers / desktop environments |
| 13:45.45 | zinx | ChrisW: yeah, just not very well. and it will complain when you install over the running kernel. |
| 13:45.58 | ChrisW | zinx: I'm trying to install a NEW kernel |
| 13:46.01 | ChrisW | 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 13:46.14 | ChrisW | the warning suggests it's trying to remove the 2.4 kernel before I've rebooted |
| 13:46.16 | Jonny | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.4.20 ? |
| 13:46.17 | ChrisW | which yeah, is nuts |
| 13:46.20 | Jonny | Erm, 20.4* |
| 13:46.47 | ChrisW | I'm suprised this isn't smoother and other people haven't complained enough for there to be more in google |
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| 13:47.16 | qweqweqwe | valdyn: gotcha ta. |
| 13:47.19 | Jonny | ChrisW: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21 |
| 13:47.22 | Jonny | Worked for me :) |
| 13:47.26 | valdyn | ChrisW: 2.4 -> 2.6 is not trivial, there's many howtos / faqs. There's no tools to automate all issues |
| 13:47.29 | ChrisW | Jonny: I'm trying to do aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686, and getting whined at because aptitude then tries to remove the 2.4 kernel... |
| 13:47.41 | Jonny | ChrisW, on sarge? |
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| 13:48.03 | zinx | i thought sarge had 2.6 |
| 13:48.11 | Jonny | Nope |
| 13:48.13 | zinx | 2.6.8 or something |
| 13:48.14 | ChrisW | Jonny: correct, on sarge, and I have no itnerest in compiling my own kernel |
| 13:48.15 | valdyn | ChrisW: sounds to me like you might have upgraded to etch or later with a 2.4 kernel.. |
| 13:48.24 | earthian | hmm... what is better than open source, community supported software? <--- a bugless bugfree etc opensource community supported software :P |
| 13:48.33 | ChrisW | valdyn: how would I tell? |
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| 13:48.35 | Jonny | ChrisW, if you're on sarge, check your sources.list |
| 13:48.45 | valdyn | ChrisW: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:48.48 | pingouin | earthian: nice question ;) |
| 13:48.50 | ChrisW | my sources.list likely says "stable" |
| 13:48.51 | Jonny | Change the "stable" keywords to "sarge", or dist-upgrade to etch |
| 13:49.00 | valdyn | ChrisW: that's etch |
| 13:49.01 | Mortuis | Anyone know what package I need to install to get lsmod? |
| 13:49.06 | utrrrongeeb | What can I do to make GDM behave? It's displaying text characters as little boxes following upgrading to Etch. |
| 13:49.07 | Jonny | Otherwise any package install could ask for a kernel uninstall |
| 13:49.15 | Jonny | It happened to me across several sarge boxes |
| 13:49.16 | valdyn | ChrisW: etch does not support 2.4 kernels, you should have gone to 2.6 before moving to etch |
| 13:49.35 | Jonny | valdyn - It would be sarge |
| 13:49.35 | liable | Mortuis: if you dont have lsmod, your box is incredibly broken |
| 13:49.41 | ChrisW | valdyn: I; haven't gone to etch |
| 13:49.48 | ChrisW | anyway, I need to go, back later... |
| 13:49.49 | Jonny | Sarge uses the 'stable' keyword in sources.list by default |
| 13:49.57 | valdyn | Jonny: no |
| 13:50.00 | liable | just fucking prurge and reinstall aptitude |
| 13:50.02 | Jonny | Yes. |
| 13:50.04 | zinx | Jonny: but stable is now etch |
| 13:50.08 | Jonny | I know. |
| 13:50.17 | valdyn | Jonny: you're right, but he's on etch now |
| 13:50.17 | Jonny | That is why he is getting problems :) |
| 13:50.22 | valdyn | Jonny: right. |
| 13:50.29 | valdyn | Jonny: that's a fuckup by debian |
| 13:50.32 | Jonny | No, he's on sarge, but apt is wanting to get etch packages |
| 13:50.33 | Mortuis | liable: It's a new linode.com server |
| 13:50.43 | Jonny | Yeah, it's messy |
| 13:50.45 | Jonny | Anyways, bbl |
| 13:50.52 | Mortuis | Debian small, 3.1 I think |
| 13:51.09 | valdyn | ChrisW: change sources.list stable to sarge, then stay there or get rid of the 2.4 kernel, then upgrade to etch |
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| 13:52.10 | torrr | hi |
| 13:52.10 | lontra | hi |
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| 13:52.10 | ChrisW | valdyn: ffs, I';m tryingto upgade to a 2.6 kerenel so I can go to etch... |
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| 13:52.10 | ChrisW | sheesh |
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| 13:52.11 | liable | ignorant fuck |
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| 13:52.22 | valdyn | !whine |
| 13:52.22 | dpkg | somebody said whine was saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 13:52.32 | torrr | I have a socket number used by a process, and I want to know what is connected to it in its other end, how do I do that? |
| 13:53.09 | utrrrongeeb | I'm using a Intel Winmodem. The driver worked with sarge, but after the upgrade to Etch the driver fails to compile. |
| 13:53.23 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: which winmodem, which driver |
| 13:53.23 | liable | torrr: that socket file is in /var/run? |
| 13:53.34 | ManuP | i get no ip from dhcp... ap is connected, key on. but i get no ip |
| 13:53.45 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: oh nm |
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| 13:54.07 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: intel - that modem is supported by alsa. You can use the sl-modem-driver with that alsa driver |
| 13:54.20 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: ops, 'sl-modem-daemon' |
| 13:54.28 | torrr | liable, I found it number in /proc/pid/fd |
| 13:54.42 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: Intel 537EP. Intel semi-closed source driver. Compiled as module for 2.6.8 in Sarge. Following Etch upgrade, would not recompile. What do you mean by 'ops, 'sl-modem-daemon''? |
| 13:55.00 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: just because i wrote 'sl-modem-driver' first |
| 13:55.18 | pearl | why is windowmaker.org down? |
| 13:55.21 | utrrrongeeb | What do you mean? |
| 13:55.21 | pearl | is it down? |
| 13:55.54 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: Any advice on the modem? |
| 13:56.02 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: winmodems are soundcards, technically. To be used as modem they need a sound driver and an daemon |
| 13:56.05 | torrr | liable, there are a two pipes there two maybe they are the problem... I want to know where they connected to |
| 13:56.13 | brendonjt | Hi guys I have a blackberry 6230 how do i sync it with evolution |
| 13:56.16 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: alsa provides sound drivers, sl-modem-daemon the daemon |
| 13:56.49 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: It had worked in Sarge using the Intel driver. The driver won't compile in Etch, though. |
| 13:57.04 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: sure, you said that |
| 13:58.09 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: So is there something I should do to compile the driver in Etch, or should I do something else to drive the modem? |
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| 13:58.18 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: we cant really support intel proprietary software i guess, you could ask them for a new driver, or try what i said above |
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| 13:59.25 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: Okay, so I need to tell ALSA to use it as a sound card, and this sl-modem-daemon can do the rest? For the Intel 537EP softmodem? |
| 13:59.43 | ma3x | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 13:59.45 | ma3x | why is that? |
| 13:59.56 | liable | if it worked in sarge it should work in etch |
| 14:00.02 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: maybe, 537EP means nothing to me, show the lspci and lspci -n output for that device |
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| 14:00.12 | iturk | hey friends i am trying to create a usb pen with 64MB to install etch. A friend told it's possible with a pen with 64MB to do it. So i google for an answer and i am following this -> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446. But the boot.img file that is copied is 125MB so it doesnt fits in a 64 MB usb pen. So anyone knows any link that would resolv my problem ? |
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| 14:00.45 | tarzeau | RichiH: i don't use m-a, i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 14:00.58 | RichiH | did you bake that yourself? |
| 14:01.02 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: I'm sorry, I'm in Windows (my Linux modem doesn't work at the moment). Does sl-modem-daemon come with Etch as a package? |
| 14:01.13 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: yes |
| 14:01.13 | zinx | iturk: the business card cd should be like 50mb or so.. maybe some modification of that |
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| 14:02.15 | iturk | zinx: can you give me a link to it ? |
| 14:02.22 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: everest is a program doing lspci and more |
| 14:02.27 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: yea |
| 14:03.55 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: packages.debian.org says it is non-free, and is the "SmartLink modem driver." It appears it only works with SmartLink softmodems. |
| 14:04.06 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: snd-intel8x0 is an alsa sound driver for intel chipsets, snd-intel8x0m drives some of their software modems |
| 14:04.31 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: no, it drives any modem you have an oss or alsa sound driver for |
| 14:05.44 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: Okay, I'll look at it when I'm next running Debian. Thanks for your help! |
| 14:05.53 | iturk | zinx: any help to make it ? |
| 14:05.57 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - Just got a new Attack 3 joystick - recognized by the system (/var/log/messages) how do I configure it? Sabre (svgalib Flight Simulator) doesn't recognize it. |
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| 14:06.23 | zinx | iturk: sorry, none |
| 14:06.54 | iturk | zinx: what about the business card cd |
| 14:07.12 | iturk | zinx: i google it and i find many thinks about money and cd's |
| 14:07.15 | zinx | iturk: it's on debian.org |
| 14:07.57 | zinx | iturk: says it's 40MB, but it's a CD image not a USB flash drive image |
| 14:08.24 | bzed | !d-i |
| 14:08.25 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:09.42 | torrr | how can I find a process name from its pid? |
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| 14:10.45 | liable | ps aux|grep xxxx |
| 14:10.48 | thnee | ps aux|grep <pid> |
| 14:11.40 | thnee | i lose :( |
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| 14:13.03 | liable | thnee: irc is not a competition ;) |
| 14:13.18 | liable | but just to make sure |
| 14:13.22 | sword | liable: how about pidof? |
| 14:13.28 | liable | !lose thnee |
| 14:13.28 | dpkg | thnee: You Lose. |
| 14:13.28 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:13.29 | dpkg | [qotd137] <www> when i apt-get upgrade, my system wants to update a lot of packages <www> how to avoid that ? |
| 14:14.09 | sword | err, other way around, nm |
| 14:14.12 | liable | sword: how about it? i havent ever used it. tell me about it |
| 14:14.18 | hunshad | Hello everyone, somebody could say to me how partition his computer because I have linux and I want to put Windows to make play my game preferred while keeping linux. The problem is that I put Cd Windows and then returned in partition I have to try to make create a partition but nothing it is produced since the entire disc east took. |
| 14:14.19 | dimsuz | Hi! I have several HD partitions listed in system:/media in konqueror. But I can't mount them on-click. The message is "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000". How do I tell hald to allow mounts for this user? Or hal respects fstab setting? |
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| 14:15.04 | xingu | torrr: "ps -o args= -p ${pid}" is usually a better fit. |
| 14:15.05 | sword | liable: give a name, it'll fire back the pid. But that's the other way from what torrr was asking, misread it. |
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| 14:15.58 | valdyn | dimsuz: it does respect fstab. Allowing random mounts to a user you could just aswell give him the root password |
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| 14:16.08 | chance2105 | How do you verify a burnt DVD image? I used to verify burnt CD medium with a "diff /dev/<device> isoimage.iso" command .. I've either burnt to successive DVD coasters, or this doesn't work with DVDs |
| 14:16.16 | liable | sword: oh, nice, i usually use pkill anyway for things i am to lazy to search the pid for ;) |
| 14:16.55 | xingu | sword: I prefer pgrep for that one. :) |
| 14:17.15 | valdyn | chance2105: that should work fine, though 'cmp' is better suited for the job |
| 14:17.30 | dimsuz | valdyn: the only user is me, so I know what I'm doing ;-) |
| 14:17.38 | dimsuz | valdyn: thanks for info |
| 14:17.40 | sword | xingu, liable: I had never heard of that one before, tnx for the tip! |
| 14:17.57 | zinx | chance2105: i tend to go with md5sum |
| 14:18.24 | dimsuz | valdyn: ok, it respects fstab, but is there a hal-specific way to allow such mounts? Or only fstab-way? |
| 14:18.30 | dimsuz | just curious |
| 14:18.38 | dimsuz | :) |
| 14:18.50 | valdyn | dimsuz: there is for sure |
| 14:19.01 | valdyn | dimsuz: you'd have to edit some script, i guess |
| 14:19.12 | tarzeau | there's more than 93850 dpkg/apt-get/popularity-contest users... |
| 14:19.15 | chance2105 | zinx: valdyn: I'm finding articles (http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/10/07/verify-a-burned-cddvd-image-on-linux/) stating a simple cat or whatever isn't the approach to take with DVDs |
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| 14:19.25 | valdyn | dimsuz: by default only things like usb storage can be mounted by users |
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| 14:19.52 | hunshad | how i can save my partition to create new partition for insert windows |
| 14:19.55 | cain` | hey all |
| 14:19.59 | tarzeau | hunshad: use ms-sys? |
| 14:20.14 | hunshad | I don't know |
| 14:20.16 | cain` | how cann i install a module for proftpd? didnt find anything on google |
| 14:20.16 | cusco | hunshad: resize your partition |
| 14:20.22 | hunshad | how |
| 14:20.23 | cusco | then create new one |
| 14:20.28 | cusco | use gparted |
| 14:20.36 | zinx | chance2105: i've not had problems with md5sum foo.iso and md5sum /dev/cdrom |
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| 14:20.39 | hunshad | ok |
| 14:20.54 | cusco | hunshad: but you can't do it while the partition is mounted |
| 14:21.07 | valdyn | zinx: that's fine too, just a waste of (cpu)time |
| 14:21.15 | hunshad | and i change the ext3 partion |
| 14:21.33 | dimsuz | valdyn: ah... :) |
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| 14:21.52 | zinx | valdyn: perhaps :) |
| 14:21.52 | hunshad | ouff |
| 14:21.54 | hunshad | ok |
| 14:22.31 | bolt | I need a guide on the easiest way (preferably using some sort of GUI) to connect to a wireless network on a freshly installed Debian Etch machine which does detect and load modules for the wireless card. Anyone? |
| 14:22.54 | hunshad | Thus it is necessary that I save my partitions and that I to create new ones |
| 14:23.11 | dimsuz | oh, guys! i'm having problems with debian detecting my Canon A630 ptp camera... any faq about ptp cameras in debian? (for kde user)... |
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| 14:23.30 | iturk | hey friends i am in windows but i would like to put a boot loader on the usb stick. (Like LILO) can someone help me ? |
| 14:23.38 | dimsuz | iirc it mounts but then bails out with an error... |
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| 14:23.46 | cusco | hunshad: resize your current partition allowing space for new ones. if you have free space you can resize it |
| 14:23.48 | talisker | what's your favourite filesharing method/client? |
| 14:24.12 | cusco | http |
| 14:24.30 | hunshad | my hard disk has 250G |
| 14:24.52 | cusco | hunshad: what bit of what I said didn't you understand |
| 14:24.59 | tarzeau | mine has 31 C |
| 14:25.05 | utrrrongeeb | /exit |
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| 14:25.27 | hunshad | what is the program |
| 14:25.30 | hunshad | gparted |
| 14:25.46 | cusco | its a graphical interface to the comand line tool named parted |
| 14:26.32 | hunshad | ok |
| 14:27.02 | hunshad | is't my /home who take all the space |
| 14:27.44 | cain` | where is proftpd installed by depault with apt-get? |
| 14:27.46 | hunshad | i can't unmmount my partition |
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| 14:30.08 | asg | cain`: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 14:31.15 | hunshad | ok but I is not any more open space because I have partitionner by taking all space |
| 14:31.15 | hunshad | 0utf8 |
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| 14:31.45 | Ronin | !tell root__ about root |
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| 14:33.13 | jelly-home | hunshad: if you only have one disk, you can't really run gparted from it. I suggest using gparted livecd, the iso image can be downloaded somewhere at gparted.sf.net |
| 14:33.23 | earthian | !tell Arcad3 about root |
| 14:33.24 | chance2105 | zinx: Hah. Well. md5sum's so don't match. <tries burning again> |
| 14:33.27 | earthian | :/ |
| 14:33.43 | hunshad | ok |
| 14:33.53 | hunshad | but can i save it |
| 14:34.00 | hunshad | before to do that |
| 14:34.19 | hunshad | ok ciao |
| 14:34.39 | MicroChip32 | what on earth is up with the debian archives, or apt-get, or something. I tried to install a package (perl module) last night and it decided it wanted to [re]install the same version of perl (sort of understandable, but shouldnt happen) AND wanted to [re]install the same version of the kernel as was currently in place (should never happen afaik) |
| 14:35.24 | MicroChip32 | the kernel issue is also occuring during a raw install, between asking what archives to use and what packages to install, it wants to [re]install the same kernel over the current |
| 14:35.49 | asg | MicroChip32: probably a security update. What does 'apt-cache policy <pkg>' say about installed vs candidate? |
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| 14:36.22 | cain` | i want to install a module for proftpd but i cant find any description how |
| 14:37.00 | asg | cain`: install the proftpd-doc package. It will have information on what you need to do. |
| 14:37.09 | MicroChip32 | asg : Package Files: |
| 14:37.10 | MicroChip32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | MicroChip32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | MicroChip32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | MicroChip32 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | MicroChip32 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.28 | MicroChip32 | go figure *sigh* |
| 14:37.30 | asg | MicroChip32: use a paster (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 14:37.45 | MicroChip32 | did the paste come thru ? |
| 14:37.51 | asg | not all of it. |
| 14:38.43 | xitro | debhelper, is that a reason to kick someone out the channel because he didn't use pastebin? |
| 14:38.48 | asg | xitro: yes |
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| 14:38.58 | gravity | xitro: debhelper is a bot |
| 14:38.58 | asg | xitro: he pasted more than 4 lines |
| 14:39.05 | xitro | ok sorry |
| 14:39.09 | xitro | my mistake :-) |
| 14:39.14 | MicroChip32 | yea, most channels now days kick ya for more than 4 lines or somethng |
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| 14:39.33 | asg | MicroChip32: for the reason why, try holding a coherent conversation in #flood on a busy day |
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| 14:39.54 | MicroChip32 | ash, yea i used to be an op on another network, well aware :) |
| 14:40.20 | MicroChip32 | i just hate pastebin *mutter* |
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| 14:40.43 | tarzeau | is there a wings3d expert here? |
| 14:41.03 | MicroChip32 | ash http://pastebin.ca/451426 |
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| 14:41.36 | asg | MicroChip32: what command did you use to generate that output? |
| 14:41.56 | MicroChip32 | "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:42.16 | asg | MicroChip32: run 'apt-cache policy <pkg>' where '<pkg>' is the one that keeps wanting to be upgraded |
| 14:43.11 | asg | MicroChip32: also, that output indicates that you don't have security sources which you most certainly want |
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| 14:44.44 | ahlfors | For some reason, my texlive broke during a recent dist-upgrade. The bbold font seems to be the problem. Any idea what's happening? |
| 14:45.00 | asg | ahlfors: what debian version are you running? |
| 14:45.06 | hark | liable: so got the ati drivers working again? |
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| 14:45.33 | ahlfors | unstable. Yes, I know it's unstable. |
| 14:45.37 | asg | ahlfors: /msg dpkg bts |
| 14:46.17 | MicroChip32 | bah. the machine in question, the one that was freakin when i tried to install a new package (libgd for perl) last night, wont even get that far now, aparently the process last night broke it worse. previous pastebin edited |
| 14:46.19 | ahlfors | I couldn't find anything relevant on bts for any of my installed texlive packages |
| 14:46.27 | MicroChip32 | the command shown is the same as originally used last night |
| 14:46.34 | liable | hark: no, i have a botched version of x working atm. downgraded xorg-core and libgl1-meas, but its all a bit too funky for me to ne bothered with tonight (too many beers) |
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| 14:47.43 | hark | yikes :\ |
| 14:47.51 | hajhouse | i have a problem with aptitude (and apt-get): it hangs at 'Building dependency tree... 50%' |
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| 14:48.11 | hajhouse | there's no error message (I have -vvvv on) |
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| 14:49.15 | liable | hark: ie, no real wm at all, i have a xterm when x fires up and thats it. no menus or barry things on the screen.. :/ |
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| 14:50.21 | cain` | i installed proftpd already but i want to add a module. how is this done? |
| 14:50.52 | asg | MicroChip32: oh, it appears that you have etch sources but are still running a sarge system and haven't done a full dist-upgrade. Is this the case? |
| 14:51.08 | asg | cain`: install the proftpd-doc package and read |
| 14:51.34 | cain` | i did but there is nothing about modules |
| 14:51.43 | asg | cain`: what module are you trying to install? |
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| 14:52.23 | MicroChip32 | for the machine from which the paste came, its a sarge install, from the sarge net install cd. installed about a month ago. ive done nothing myself to point to etch sources, unless the "apt-get update" command i did lastnight before trying to install the package changed something |
| 14:52.29 | bolt | I need a guide on the easiest way (preferably using some sort of GUI) to connect to a wireless network on a freshly installed Debian Etch machine which does detect and load modules for the wireless card. Anyone? |
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| 14:52.56 | asg | MicroChip32: if your sources say 'stable' and not 'sarge', then your sources now point to the new stable system. |
| 14:53.15 | liable | bolt: firstly, it all depends on your wireless chipset, whether its supported |
| 14:53.19 | cain` | asg:mod_shaper |
| 14:53.28 | bolt | liable: it is |
| 14:53.34 | MicroChip32 | ahhhhhhhh. so i need to go into the apt config and change em to sarge, and add the security links you mentioned too, right ? |
| 14:53.37 | hark | bolt: network-manager |
| 14:53.49 | cain` | i found the file where the modules are lsited, but i dont know where to put the modules.c |
| 14:53.49 | liable | bolt: if you want a gui, install network-manager |
| 14:53.54 | asg | MicroChip32: yes |
| 14:54.03 | bolt | hark, liable: will do, thanks |
| 14:54.03 | cain` | mod_shaper.c i mean |
| 14:54.12 | liable | bolt: not using it is much better though |
| 14:54.39 | hark | heh, for some.. there's wifi-radar for a GUI way as well |
| 14:54.39 | bolt | liable: it's for my gf's laptop. the console isn't really her thing yet, though i'm trying to preach about it as often as possible |
| 14:54.53 | MicroChip32 | is that why a raw install from the sarge cd is freaking too, complaining about installing kernel over existing kernel, and then [eventually] puking wether i say yes or no ? |
| 14:55.26 | liable | bolt: if it works, then its great. but it make life difficult to debug if it doesnt. so go with it if it does |
| 14:55.30 | asg | MicroChip32: yes, that seems likely to be the case. |
| 14:55.41 | bolt | liable: :) |
| 14:55.51 | MicroChip32 | asg : ok where's the apt config file, ive edited before but dont rememeber where |
| 14:56.10 | asg | MicroChip32: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:56.19 | stickybit` | !kill init |
| 14:56.26 | bolt | hm... network-manager recommends "eject". I truly can't see what those two packages have in common. |
| 14:56.42 | MicroChip32 | so just change "stable" to "sarge" ?? |
| 14:56.55 | liable | killing init isnt smart thing to do |
| 14:57.01 | asg | MicroChip32: yep and then run apt-get update |
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| 14:57.15 | MicroChip32 | what do i add for the security stuff ? |
| 14:57.18 | stickybit` | liable: but i don't know how to kill it |
| 14:57.23 | asg | MicroChip32: /msg dpkg security |
| 14:57.27 | stickybit` | liable: tried kill -9 1 |
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| 14:57.50 | stickybit` | liable: but failed... how to kill init? |
| 14:57.55 | liable | stickybit`: if you kill init, your box instantly dies. init is the mother of all processes |
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| 14:58.23 | stickybit` | liable: i know that... but i am not trying it on my box |
| 14:58.35 | hark | bolt: hmm, it doesn't... |
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| 14:58.47 | liable | stickybit`: eh? |
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| 14:59.02 | ma3x | hi |
| 14:59.04 | stickybit` | liable: so please tell me if you know how to kill init? |
| 14:59.12 | ma3x | whats wrong with my sound, after I start kde, it starts scratching |
| 14:59.20 | liable | stickybit`: why do you want to? |
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| 14:59.27 | cain` | asg: in the documentation it says that i should put the dynamic modules into the /licexec dir of my proftpd installation but there is no such dir |
| 14:59.29 | ma3x | and if I for ex play something, it plays just a bit and it laggs 2 mins |
| 14:59.46 | malheur | hello, has anyone managed to set up a chrooted scponly with etch? |
| 15:00.09 | stickybit` | liable: i want to see know how to kill init and what exactly happens after killing it |
| 15:00.12 | malheur | i'm stuck! |
| 15:00.18 | bolt | hark: probably not, but it required something that did :) |
| 15:00.26 | stickybit` | r/see how/how |
| 15:00.50 | Acu | I want to install Cinelerra - I got cannot install because it dependes of libquicktimehv - what should I do ? |
| 15:00.55 | liable | stickybit`: i dont think you can |
| 15:01.01 | liable | stickybit`: i just tried |
| 15:01.21 | stickybit` | liable: oh |
| 15:01.22 | MicroChip32 | asg : ok thats done successfully, still get essentially the same error when try to install, aparently something got fxd last night. oh well, that machine wasnt even fully configured yet |
| 15:01.36 | stickybit` | liable: try with -9 then |
| 15:01.53 | liable | stickybit`: i did, try 'telinit 1' then try |
| 15:02.01 | MicroChip32 | asg : so what can i do about the raw install thing, i dont see any way to tell it to use 'sarge' instead of 'stable' etc ? |
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| 15:02.31 | stickybit` | liable: ok i will do it tomorrow in college pc |
| 15:02.37 | schultzconsult | Hi... |
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| 15:02.39 | ma3x_ | hi |
| 15:02.48 | ma3x_ | why [AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 15:03.24 | ma3x_ | hello |
| 15:03.25 | schultzconsult | I have this computer with 2 nics, which all traffic i passing through and I want it to be the gateway for 2 different subnets... |
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| 15:04.00 | ma3x_ | can anyone help me with this /dev/dsp? |
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| 15:04.20 | asg | MicroChip32: you may want to see if the 3.1r6 install discs default to sarge over stable. Also, any reason you aren't using etch? |
| 15:04.21 | liable | stickybit`: i bet you cant kill it. try it on your box! |
| 15:04.41 | stickybit` | liable: no way |
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| 15:04.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone know how to move to Xorg 7.2? |
| 15:04.52 | schultzconsult | and I gave the computer 1 IP from each of these subnets and I'm able to ping it from the different subnets, but not get onto the internet through the gateway... |
| 15:04.55 | liable | stickybit`: it wont hurt |
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| 15:05.46 | stickybit` | liable: sorry friend... |
| 15:05.58 | liable | stickybit`: weak bastard! |
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| 15:06.03 | liable | :P |
| 15:06.15 | plb | is backports.org updated for etch or just sarge? |
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| 15:06.31 | hark | plb: for etch too afaik |
| 15:06.34 | MicroChip32 | asg : not using etch - other than not having an etch install cd and not having the bandwidth to download one, no |
| 15:06.35 | stickybit` | liable: then why dont you try on your machine |
| 15:06.48 | liable | stickybit`: gimme 2 minutes |
| 15:06.52 | plb | cool... |
| 15:06.58 | stickybit` | liable: sure |
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| 15:07.13 | hark | it had the newer kernels, last i checked |
| 15:07.29 | asg | MicroChip32: the 'expert' install option may allow you to edit sources before things get going. I can't remember off the top of my head though. Someone else may know a workaround otherwise. |
| 15:07.31 | MicroChip32 | asg : how would i see if the install 3.10a (the ones i have) default to sarge/stable ? |
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| 15:08.24 | RichiH | MicroChip32: do you happen to have squid on your router? |
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| 15:09.05 | RichiH | MicroChip32: if you do, you can write a redirector to force all requests to the mirrors that go to .*stable.* to go to .*sarge.* |
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| 15:09.52 | K|NgGh0sT | IS there an easy way to goto Xorg 7.2? |
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| 15:10.26 | utab | I have problem in organizing bookmarks in iceweasel, did you exprience the same |
| 15:10.27 | tarzeau | K|NgGh0sT: yeah, just wait |
| 15:10.37 | MicroChip32 | RichiH : i could give you a long answer about how convoluted my connection to the internet is, but a short answer is "doing that -might- be possible, however much easier said than done" |
| 15:11.12 | MicroChip32 | RichiH : im like 4 routers and 3 nats from the outside world |
| 15:11.31 | RichiH | MicroChip32: heh |
| 15:11.47 | RichiH | MicroChip32: it would still work, provided that you have squid, though |
| 15:11.56 | K|NgGh0sT | tarzeau, I cant. I need X windows fixxed, and thats the only way to do it |
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| 15:12.38 | MicroChip32 | afaik i dont have squid, the local routers are all home linksys stuff, the only linux box i could use is not in the routing chain. |
| 15:13.16 | stickybit` | liable: you are still there |
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| 15:18.15 | RichiH | MicroChip32: you can force anyone in the network to use a transparent proxy with iptables |
| 15:18.35 | liable | stickybit`: you cant kill it |
| 15:18.37 | RichiH | MicroChip32: but it is probably easier to dig for an expert option |
| 15:18.45 | liable | stickybit`: well, i couldnt anyway |
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| 15:18.59 | stickybit` | liable: ok |
| 15:19.28 | MicroChip32 | RichiH : iptables i can use, and is how i would do it, but there's no linux box in the routing chain, or at least not any i have access too |
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| 15:19.47 | stickybit` | liable: are you accessing trying on some other machine or what? |
| 15:19.48 | liable | though going to init 1 and back gave me some grief |
| 15:20.06 | stickybit` | liable: ok |
| 15:20.17 | liable | stickybit`: i have my irssi session running on my server with screen |
| 15:20.46 | stickybit` | liable: ok. thanks for the info... |
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| 15:21.22 | Rprp | http://82.73.216.33:8000/listen.pls <--- -O_ |
| 15:21.24 | RichiH | MicroChip32: two NICs in the linux box? |
| 15:21.25 | stickybit` | liable: if i found any trick for killing init i will definitly tell you |
| 15:22.02 | liable | stickybit`: sure, do tell. its bound to end in tears though :P |
| 15:22.04 | RichiH | Rprp: please do not spam |
| 15:22.16 | stickybit` | liable: :) |
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| 15:22.38 | MicroChip32 | ha! i got it. fixed the problem the box was having, thanks to asg getting me linked to the right sources i was able to force [re]install of the package that aparently got screwed up last night, and it just now properly installed the pacakage that started the whole mess |
| 15:23.22 | liable | MicroChip32: cool! now tell me how to fix my x! |
| 15:23.29 | liable | please? |
| 15:23.43 | MicroChip32 | liable : HA, if i knew id have x running myself, i work in terminal mode |
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| 15:24.17 | MicroChip32 | last time i played with x about a month ago i had x11 and xorg fighting |
| 15:24.25 | MicroChip32 | couldnt make either one work right |
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| 15:24.43 | xand | xorg is x11 |
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| 15:25.00 | liable | at least i have toolbars back |
| 15:25.02 | MicroChip32 | or actually, i guess -they- worked right, but some software insisted on having one, and some software insisted on the other |
| 15:25.07 | liable | i can live with that |
| 15:25.09 | xingu | liable: init u tells init to re-exec |
| 15:25.10 | MicroChip32 | xand. tell the rest of linux that |
| 15:25.23 | xand | MicroChip32: what are you talking about? xorg is an implementation of x11 |
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| 15:25.27 | liable | xingu: can you kill it from bash though? |
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| 15:25.53 | MicroChip32 | xand : i know that. but when i installed xorg i had several programs (dont remember which) that complained that x11 wasnt installed |
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| 15:26.00 | MicroChip32 | or something like that |
| 15:26.02 | liable | xingu: i dont want it to respawn if thats what you meant |
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| 15:26.07 | Nyle | howdy |
| 15:26.29 | liable | doody |
| 15:26.29 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:26.29 | Nyle | doody is nasty |
| 15:26.34 | xingu | liable: sure; kill -9; but all processes are children of it, so things are going to get hairy at that point. |
| 15:26.42 | liable | only if its in your pants |
| 15:26.46 | Nyle | what are we talking about killing? |
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| 15:26.58 | liable | xingu: kill -9 doesnt work |
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| 15:27.09 | xingu | liable: some of the firewall-on-a-floppy distros have an init which is a shellscript which exits after initialising networking and firewall rules |
| 15:27.13 | Nyle | kill -9 won't work on a Zombie |
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| 15:27.23 | Nyle | other than that it should work on all pids |
| 15:27.25 | Nyle | afaik |
| 15:27.31 | liable | Nyle: init? |
| 15:27.35 | Nyle | kill it |
| 15:27.45 | xingu | liable: not even if you explicitly use /bin/kill as opposed to the bash builtin? |
| 15:27.45 | Nyle | if it is the ppid |
| 15:27.46 | liable | Nyle: pid 1 ?? |
| 15:28.06 | liable | xingu: let me try that |
| 15:28.10 | Nyle | liable what are you asking me? |
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| 15:28.15 | Nyle | I'm confused |
| 15:28.15 | MicroChip32 | cant you kill -hup to reset/restart initd ? |
| 15:28.24 | xingu | MicroChip32: init q is better form. |
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| 15:28.39 | liable | nope |
| 15:28.39 | xingu | MicroChip32: or init u if you really do need a re-exec |
| 15:28.49 | xingu | but liable is talking about a hard kill of the process |
| 15:28.49 | liable | ooh |
| 15:28.54 | Nyle | la la |
| 15:29.03 | MicroChip32 | there's always the micro**** salute :) |
| 15:29.40 | MicroChip32 | if its the local machine |
| 15:30.36 | quitte | MicroChip32: you know that that has to be enabled in inittab? |
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| 15:31.29 | MicroChip32 | good point, but isnt it enabled by default ? |
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| 15:31.42 | xingu | on most distros yes |
| 15:32.11 | darkapostrophe | Does anyone have an idea why there are no Debian packages for Warsow? I mean, it _is_ free software... |
| 15:32.27 | liable | nah, init 1; /bin/kill -9 1 doeasnt work |
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| 15:32.41 | MicroChip32 | sorta a severe method tho, falls just short of crawling behind your desk looking for the power strip :) |
| 15:32.59 | xingu | liable: does it produce any console message? "attempted to kill init!" or similar? |
| 15:33.07 | liable | xingu: nope |
| 15:33.27 | xingu | c-a-d just runs the ca: action |
| 15:33.43 | liable | xingu: funny cause i most folks manage to kill init with kernel compiles :) |
| 15:34.13 | darkapostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 15:34.24 | xingu | liable: unfortunately I don't have a test box/ instance to test any further on, but there's no real reason why pid=1 is magic apart from being the parent of all other processes |
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| 15:34.49 | liable | xingu: thats what i thought, but the fucker seems imposible to kill |
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| 15:34.52 | xingu | liable: strace -o /var/tmp/strace.out /bin/kill -9 1 |
| 15:34.59 | xingu | liable: and pastebin the output |
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| 15:35.27 | liable | xingu: aww, everytime i do it i have to reboot cause it fucks ifconfig |
| 15:35.42 | xingu | :) |
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| 15:36.01 | xingu | actually use strace -fo too |
| 15:36.16 | liable | ok |
| 15:37.33 | tarzeau | any crack-attack server/players? |
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| 15:38.19 | Mikkel020 | Hello, I have a AMD 64bit processor. I want to install debian, but realize that using 64bit is going to complicate things for me a bit. I am not very good with linux, and am used to using 32bit binaries. Can I just install the debian i386 verion, or is this a bad idea? |
| 15:38.22 | Nyle | oh my fucknig god |
| 15:38.25 | Nyle | best buy sucks balls |
| 15:38.38 | Nyle | they don't know shit, that is if you get an english speaking person |
| 15:38.43 | Nyle | if you're lucky |
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| 15:38.48 | Nyle | argh |
| 15:39.26 | Nyle | back home i know where to go to buy computer parts, ny is fucked up man |
| 15:39.31 | Nyle | I'm getting pissed off at this state |
| 15:39.44 | hark | Mikkel020: yes you can, and no it's not |
| 15:39.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Mikkel020, why will 64 bit complicate things? |
| 15:40.15 | Nyle | K|NgGh0sT it doesn't have what he would proabably need |
| 15:40.18 | MicroChip32 | nyle, just go to tigerdirect or one of the other online places. tiger get me my stuff in a couple days usually |
| 15:40.18 | Mikkel020 | well installing software that has 32bit binaries only |
| 15:40.28 | Nyle | if he has to ask... |
| 15:40.40 | Nyle | MicroChip32 I don't wanna wait a couple of days |
| 15:40.50 | MicroChip32 | otherwise its about a 100 mile one way trip for me to find a decently stocked [and knowledgeable] computer store |
| 15:40.53 | kspath | tigerdirect and newegg usually beat anything bestbuy can do |
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| 15:40.58 | obsethryl | Mikkel020: installing a 32bit version is not a bad idea since you are guaranteed that some commercial programs who might have issues with 64bit will work on your box. Other than that, and whatever you choose, you should find no problem in installing / configuring ecc, nor will you have driver issues, provided, that, if you use blobs they can work on 64bit |
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| 15:41.17 | MicroChip32 | and techhelp at TD speaks english too, at least the ones ive talked to |
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| 15:41.55 | kspath | depending on a store to have tech knowledge is not a good idea. |
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| 15:42.17 | MicroChip32 | i get a laugh out of the idiots at BB, sheeesh |
| 15:42.24 | blackest | hi i've got a problem with nfs i have this entry in /etc/exports /media/hdb1/mythtv/recordings 192.168.2.7*(rw,async) |
| 15:42.26 | obsethryl | Mikkel020: personally the only factor i consider in my linux boxes is whether there is closed source software / blob / whatever that would require a strict 32bit mode; some may have issues, others, thanks to the good engineering of modern 64bit distros should work. It all depends on that small factor, unleast for me and the given hardware I deploy |
| 15:42.42 | xingu | Footnote 3: The kernel will always panic if PID 1 exits; this is unrelated to initramfs. All of the signals that might kill init are blocked, even "kill -9" which will reliably kill any other process. But init can still call the exit() syscall itself, and the kernel panics if this happens in PID 1. Avoiding it here is mostly a cosmetic issue: we don't want the panic scrolling our "Hello World!" message off the top of the screen. |
| 15:42.57 | blackest | but when i try to mount it the server says permission denied any idea why ? |
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| 15:43.12 | xingu | digging for a source cite now, but seems pretty likely |
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| 15:43.25 | liable | !paste |
| 15:43.25 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
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| 15:44.38 | liable | xingu: |
| 15:44.41 | Mikkel020 | obsethryl: ok thank you for explaining, and the others to |
| 15:44.42 | liable | http://paste.debian.net/26174 |
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| 15:45.43 | liable | i am on a mission to kill init! |
| 15:45.47 | VirtualUser | En Channel? |
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| 15:46.21 | VirtualUser | Need help with my Debian-Root-Server |
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| 15:46.50 | Nyle | liable just restart man |
| 15:46.52 | xingu | liable: ...src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/signal.c: Thus you cannot kill init even with a SIGKILL |
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| 15:47.05 | hark | mission impossible ;) |
| 15:47.05 | swast | hola |
| 15:47.05 | Nyle | liable don't kill your braincells over it |
| 15:47.07 | Nyle | not worth it |
| 15:47.09 | xingu | liable: so there you go, the kernel installs a special signal handler for pid==1 |
| 15:47.23 | liable | xingu: from strace? |
| 15:47.30 | schultzconsult | any good guide to routing on debian? |
| 15:47.32 | obsethryl | Mikkel020: have fun |
| 15:47.35 | swast | anyone speak spanish here ? |
| 15:47.43 | xingu | liable: nope, oddly enough it lies back to kill(1) - that returned success. :) |
| 15:47.46 | x3n0 | #debian-es |
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| 15:48.25 | Brian_R | Greetings. I'm pulling my hair out on a sound issue I've been having. I had originally got ALSA sound on my Debian Etch box, running kernel 2.6.18, working, but whatever was set to get sound working didn't survive a reboot. My laptop is an HP Omnibook 900, model F1712WT. |
| 15:48.27 | roger21 | hello |
| 15:49.04 | liable | stickybit`: cant be done so says the kernel |
| 15:49.19 | roger21 | how commes there is not loakeys on the last dfs livecd (1.0) and how do i change the keyboard then ? |
| 15:49.22 | liable | fucker |
| 15:49.24 | Brian_R | As of now I am able to eliminate sound-related error messages, but cannot get sound to play. I have checked settings in the mixer related to volume nad muting. |
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| 15:50.00 | liable | how dare he leave after i killed my box 6 times to see if his problem works |
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| 15:50.37 | jelly-home | liable: easily! |
| 15:51.01 | liable | guess i'm just a sucker |
| 15:51.14 | liable | at least now i know you cant kill init |
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| 15:51.28 | jelly-home | liable: maybe some fruit reset his connection |
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| 15:51.49 | artagnon | What the hell is the apache2 package? It's 37 Kb! |
| 15:51.58 | iturk | hey friends any source.list generator for debian etch ? |
| 15:52.06 | liable | jelly-home: yeah, i'll show him fruit, a pineapple up his ass! :) |
| 15:52.26 | liable | artagnon: metapackege |
| 15:52.39 | Nyle | jelly-home goddamn peer |
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| 15:52.48 | Nyle | keeps fucking resetting connections |
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| 15:53.03 | liable | iturk: no |
| 15:53.08 | Nyle | I tell ya man, if i find this peer, Ima kick him in da nuts |
| 15:53.10 | Brian_R | Greetings. I'm pulling my hair out on a sound issue I've been having. I had originally got ALSA sound on my Debian Etch box, running kernel 2.6.18, working, but whatever was set to get sound working didn't survive a reboot. My laptop is an HP Omnibook 900, model F1712WT. As of now I am able to eliminate sound-related error messages, but cannot get sound to play. I have checked settings in the mixer related to volume nad |
| 15:53.18 | artagnon | liable: Ah, what are the packages it installs? |
| 15:53.24 | liable | iturk: apt-spy |
| 15:53.40 | liable | artagnon: apt-cahe show apache2 |
| 15:53.42 | Nyle | nad? |
| 15:53.45 | Nyle | gonad? |
| 15:54.05 | Nyle | gonads and strife? |
| 15:54.06 | Nyle | hehe |
| 15:54.09 | Nyle | ow |
| 15:54.13 | artagnon | liable: Right. Thanks |
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| 15:54.52 | Nyle | the router I want is 60$. too expensive |
| 15:55.14 | Nyle | I would like a wrt54g version < 5.0 for about 20-30$ |
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| 15:55.37 | Nyle | its offtopic, but if anyone can help me find on online i'd be greatful |
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| 15:56.15 | iturk | liable: is not show in my apt-cache search |
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| 15:56.40 | liable | xingu: interestingly, as i guess you read, man kill (1) has a kill -9 1 cmd.. |
| 15:56.41 | Nyle | pinktaco change your nickname please |
| 15:56.46 | iturk | liable: can you give me a link with a good sources list for etch by the way i am in portugal |
| 15:57.01 | Nyle | !mirrors |
| 15:57.02 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 15:57.08 | Nyle | iturk use that info |
| 15:57.20 | Nyle | this is not ubuntu, there is no sources.list generator or what not |
| 15:57.39 | RichiH | Nyle: apt-setup |
| 15:57.41 | Nyle | find a mirror in your country or closeby on debian.org |
| 15:57.41 | iturk | Nyle: pretty handy |
| 15:57.44 | liable | there used to be |
| 15:57.50 | Nyle | RichiH well you know what I mean :) |
| 15:58.00 | RichiH | yes.. apt-setup :) |
| 15:58.02 | liable | RichiH: not in etch |
| 15:58.17 | Nyle | apt-spy exists in all 3 |
| 15:58.22 | Nyle | apt-setup is limited to sarge |
| 15:58.37 | RichiH | hmm, true, it is not in sid any more, either |
| 15:58.38 | RichiH | that is stupid |
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| 15:58.53 | Nyle | quad3d thank you |
| 15:59.11 | artagnon | I don't have an /etc/apache2/httpd.conf after installing apache2. Is this an issue? |
| 15:59.18 | iturk | Nyle: hey i just want a sources.list for etch i search the links i didnt find the word etch so how can i find it ? |
| 15:59.21 | Nyle | apache2 doesn't have an httpd.conf |
| 15:59.50 | liable | artagnon: not really, though you should have |
| 15:59.51 | dmilith | artagnon: you don't need it. apache2.conf |
| 15:59.51 | dmilith | is equivalent |
| 15:59.51 | artagnon | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf mentions it in line 189 |
| 15:59.51 | liable | artagnon: did you do some fuck ups and delete conf files? |
| 16:00.02 | artagnon | liable: Yes, a lot |
| 16:00.09 | dmilith | lol |
| 16:00.11 | liable | !confmiss |
| 16:00.12 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:00.16 | artagnon | liable: I purged the installation but I'm still having a lot of problems |
| 16:00.19 | Nyle | iturk you can use any mirror you want, doesn't have to be etch specific. you mention etch on the deb line |
| 16:00.24 | liable | artagnon: ^^^^ |
| 16:00.30 | artagnon | Okay |
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| 16:00.55 | Nyle | iturk 1 mirror holds all 3 debian flavors. just specify the one you want like deb http://example.com/debian etch main |
| 16:00.56 | Nyle | etc. |
| 16:01.02 | liable | artagnon: apache2-common is the package you want |
| 16:01.34 | artagnon | liable: It isn't even in my repos! |
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| 16:01.38 | Nyle | I still run 1.3 and mysql 5.0 and php4 |
| 16:01.40 | artagnon | [21:27]~: apt-cache search apache2-common |
| 16:01.40 | liable | it is.. |
| 16:01.41 | artagnon | libapache-mod-dav - A DAV module for Apache |
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| 16:01.48 | Nyle | no need to go to apache2 for me |
| 16:01.48 | artagnon | That's the only one |
| 16:02.03 | iturk | Nyle: ok i am looking for the sources.list for the first time so it's normal that i dont know it's syntax and in my i just have a deb cdrom now i want to add mirrors |
| 16:02.07 | artagnon | liable: Lenny here |
| 16:02.15 | iturk | Nyle: so i can add all the one's that i want |
| 16:02.20 | Brian_R | Greetings. I'm pulling my hair out on a sound issue I've been having. I had originally got ALSA sound on my Debian Etch box, running kernel 2.6.18, working, but whatever was set to get sound working didn't survive a reboot. My laptop is an HP Omnibook 900, model F1712WT. As of now I am able to eliminate sound-related error messages, but cannot get sound to play. I have checked settings in the mixer related to volume nad |
| 16:02.20 | Nyle | iturk /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:02.37 | liable | artagnon: if you have apache2, the you have apache2-common |
| 16:02.56 | artagnon | liable: un apache2-common <none> (no description available) |
| 16:02.58 | artagnon | I don't |
| 16:02.59 | Nyle | Brian_R what did you do to make it not work |
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| 16:03.03 | nslater | How do you asign a computed value to a variable in a makefile? |
| 16:03.04 | Nyle | Brian_R do you remember? |
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| 16:03.04 | Brian_R | Rebooted. |
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| 16:03.07 | Nyle | ok |
| 16:03.08 | artagnon | That's dpkg telling me |
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| 16:03.20 | artagnon | Something's seriously screwed |
| 16:03.23 | Nyle | Brian_R try to run alsaconf again as root |
| 16:03.31 | liable | artagnon: dpkg -l |grep apache to a psatebot |
| 16:03.35 | Brian_R | Running. |
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| 16:03.52 | spyroboy | Sat Apr 21 10:19:15 2007: Starting Music Player Daemon: mkdir: cannot create directory `~/.mpd': No such file or directory |
| 16:04.04 | spyroboy | Is it just me or is that error extremely oxymoronish? |
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| 16:04.16 | Brian_R | It is extremely oxymoronish, Spyroboy. |
| 16:04.21 | artagnon | liable: Aha, it's apache2.2-common, sorry. My bad |
| 16:04.23 | Nyle | it depends |
| 16:04.36 | liable | spyroboy: no, sounds like you home pr=erms are screwed |
| 16:04.39 | spyroboy | Nyle, depends if ~ exists? |
| 16:04.55 | spyroboy | liable, mmm pr=erms? |
| 16:04.56 | Nyle | spyroboy no it means your music player doesn't have the right to create a dir |
| 16:04.58 | g00se | My sources.list had stable as opposed to Sarge. Usual sudo apt-get update followed by sudo apt-get -u upgrade has now left me with masses of packages held back. Is this a BAD THING? |
| 16:05.06 | liable | spyroboy: perms |
| 16:05.08 | spyroboy | oh |
| 16:05.09 | spyroboy | hehe |
| 16:05.12 | spyroboy | woops |
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| 16:05.14 | Brian_R | Nyle: Doing aggressive search for sb8 yielded nothing. Gonna reboot |
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| 16:05.46 | Nyle | g00se its usually good to use distro's by name in debian |
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| 16:05.59 | iturk | Nyle: so lets say that i am in Austria so i will add to sources.list deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/ etch main is this correct ? |
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| 16:06.08 | g00se | Nyle: yes. But what about now - after the fact? |
| 16:06.08 | Brian_R | Wait. when I shutdown it complains about not being able to grab IRQ 65535 |
| 16:06.11 | Nyle | iturk yessir |
| 16:06.23 | artagnon | liable: I did the confmiss thing and I still don't have the httpd.conf |
| 16:06.42 | Nyle | g00se just use aptitude and update && upgrade |
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| 16:06.55 | Nyle | g00se aptitude should resolve your package depends better |
| 16:07.01 | ivx | hey what would the command be if i wanted to check the permissions of a folder |
| 16:07.10 | Nyle | ls -l |
| 16:07.15 | g00se | Yes - but does it behave well over ssl? |
| 16:07.27 | Nyle | g00se shouldn't be a problem at all |
| 16:07.33 | g00se | I mean ssh of course |
| 16:07.33 | Nyle | !aptitude |
| 16:07.34 | dpkg | aptitude is a modern frontend to libapt. For the most part, you can use it as a drop in replacement for apt-get. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> and install aptitude-doc-en (or the aptitude-doc-* package appropriate for your locale) |
| 16:07.47 | Nyle | if apt-get works, so should aptitude |
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| 16:08.12 | g00se | You see i've had curses problem with things like dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:08.15 | Nigromante | !synaptic |
| 16:08.16 | dpkg | from memory, synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/, or http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/synaptic1.jpg |
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| 16:08.36 | Nyle | la de fucking da |
| 16:08.56 | artagnon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.00 | artagnon | apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 16:09.04 | artagnon | What's my issue? |
| 16:09.14 | stoned | g00se why would ssh cuase youo a problem with curses |
| 16:09.39 | g00se | Weird characters get printed, cursor in wrong place etc. |
| 16:09.44 | stoned | g00se unless the box you ssh into doesn't have curses install, which is kinda strange |
| 16:09.59 | Brian_R | Nyle: Trying aptitude again. Should I not be doing the aggressive search? |
| 16:10.08 | Brian_R | s/aptitude/alsaconf |
| 16:10.16 | psst | g00se: perhaps your term definition is wrong in the ssh'd-into shell |
| 16:10.19 | Brian_R | Now that's a thinko if I've ever saw one. |
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| 16:10.21 | stoned | Brian_R it doessn't matter |
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| 16:10.43 | stoned | Brian_R im tryin to think of what to tell you |
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| 16:10.55 | iturk | Nyle: it says Err http://ftp.at.debian.org etch/main Packages 404 Not Found. So it means that it's turn off ? |
| 16:10.56 | g00se | psst: you may be onto something. I'm using Cygwin at this end |
| 16:11.29 | iturk | Nyle: since it's mentioned in http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and it's the first one |
| 16:11.32 | psst | g00se: try this command: export TERM=vt100 |
| 16:11.43 | stoned | iturk IIRC deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 16:11.51 | psst | then go back to your curses app |
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| 16:12.14 | g00se | psst: excellent - i'll try it then do a dummy dpkg-reconf |
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| 16:12.27 | stoned | iturk that should be the correct sytnax for sources list |
| 16:12.39 | iturk | stoned: ok it's working |
| 16:12.41 | iturk | thanks |
| 16:12.43 | stoned | sure |
| 16:13.14 | stoned | iturk just for the heck of it, append contrib and non-free too, if you need something outta that |
| 16:13.14 | g00se | psst: Currently: TERM=cygwin |
| 16:13.18 | stoned | haha |
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| 16:13.25 | stoned | cygwin |
| 16:13.34 | spyroboy | ah |
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| 16:13.43 | spyroboy | I found the error in the init.d/mpd file |
| 16:13.51 | psst | g00se: I doubt that the server has a termcap for cygwin |
| 16:13.55 | stoned | mpd? multiple personality disorder |
| 16:14.01 | stoned | that could cause problems :) |
| 16:14.06 | spyroboy | It's trying to mkdir .mpd in /home/mpd/ rather than /home/spyroboy |
| 16:14.17 | g00se | psst: OK - does your previous suggestion stand? |
| 16:14.21 | spyroboy | and /home/mpd obviously doesn't exist.. |
| 16:14.23 | stoned | spyroboy congrats |
| 16:14.29 | spyroboy | yeah! :) |
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| 16:15.26 | stoned | i don't like these pants |
| 16:15.30 | stoned | they're making my legs itch |
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| 16:17.37 | itchi | Hi |
| 16:17.57 | itchi | I did a checkout of my website svn export svn+ssh://HostName/home/david/svn_files/shared_codes/website/~david and that made a ~david diretory. Not what i wanted, so i wanted to remove that ~david directory and did rm -rf ~david in ~/public_html What think you that there have been happend? DO NOT TRY THIS OUT!!!! |
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| 16:18.51 | liable | well, its not likely we all have a DAVID dir |
| 16:19.00 | itchi | All my files are gone in ~david gggrrr |
| 16:19.09 | itchi | in my ~ i mean |
| 16:19.14 | itchi | user is david |
| 16:19.50 | itchi | heh, the dir ~david in is gona that's sure |
| 16:20.10 | itchi | But i not thouht it was the /home/david/ |
| 16:20.19 | Brian_R | Wouldn't '~david' expand out to /home/daviddavid |
| 16:20.37 | itchi | But tell me, how do i delete then a directory called ~david (~username) ? |
| 16:20.50 | itchi | Without delete the whole home dir of that user! |
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| 16:21.21 | liable | explain again without the svn bit |
| 16:21.22 | itchi | Anyway, it was on the webserver, be happy :-) |
| 16:21.38 | itchi | Just some dupplicated 'web' stuff |
| 16:21.43 | Brian_R | I just tested it on a test user on my box. |
| 16:21.46 | Brian_R | rm -rf \~test |
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| 16:22.00 | itchi | Brian_R: Yeah, i had need to escape it |
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| 16:22.27 | itchi | But i find that it should not delete your home directory anyway. You only know about it when it happend |
| 16:23.02 | liable | yes, rm will delete whatever you tell it |
| 16:23.14 | itchi | liable: Yeah sure, just that stupid var |
| 16:23.18 | spyroboy | anyone know how to unset "readonly" on a file? |
| 16:23.26 | itchi | Or whatever it's called, that expand thingy |
| 16:23.43 | stoned | ~ == /home/yourusernamehere . ~/Blah == /home/yourusername/Blah . ~Blah == /home/yourusernameBlah |
| 16:23.56 | itchi | spyroboy: chmod |
| 16:23.56 | liable | spyroboy: man chmod |
| 16:23.56 | spyroboy | oh |
| 16:23.56 | stoned | its fucking crazy man |
| 16:23.56 | spyroboy | okay thanks |
| 16:23.56 | Brian_R | spyro: man chmod |
| 16:24.02 | spyroboy | yeah yeah got it |
| 16:24.09 | stoned | spyroboy no you don't.. man chmod |
| 16:24.10 | stoned | :D |
| 16:24.19 | stoned | anyone else wanna chime in? |
| 16:24.19 | spyroboy | lol |
| 16:24.28 | itchi | stoned: Yeah sure, but it was the directoy called ~david in ~/public_html/ that i wanted to delete, not my whole mess :-) |
| 16:24.32 | liable | itchi: your engrish is bad so its hard to tell exactly what you did |
| 16:24.47 | stoned | itchi longo time no see man whats going on |
| 16:24.57 | stoned | itchi i see |
| 16:25.10 | stoned | i feel itchy right now |
| 16:25.22 | stoned | i bought these new pants and they made my legs all itchi |
| 16:25.23 | abrotman | they sell medicine for that |
| 16:25.37 | stoned | hello abrotman whats goin on |
| 16:25.38 | liable | stop the crack? |
| 16:25.42 | stoned | lol |
| 16:25.43 | stoned | shaddup |
| 16:25.44 | xand | you don't wear pants on your legs |
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| 16:26.06 | stoned | xand well im not about to wear pants on my head |
| 16:26.08 | abrotman | stoned: sox won ? :) |
| 16:26.09 | perlmonk | I'm looking for a tool to document my servers and my networks, anyone ? |
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| 16:26.22 | xand | perlmonk: what? |
| 16:26.23 | xingu | who you calling a tool, punk |
| 16:26.35 | liable | document what? |
| 16:26.45 | abrotman | document hpow? |
| 16:26.46 | perlmonk | servers structure and networks |
| 16:26.47 | stoned | abrotman not interested. However the Cricket world cup is going on these days.. I don't much care for baseball. I played it in highschool, it was fun, but thats about it |
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| 16:26.53 | perlmonk | What's unclear in this ? |
| 16:26.55 | abrotman | bah |
| 16:27.03 | xand | perlmonk: your question makes no sense |
| 16:27.04 | stoned | I like watching it sometimes |
| 16:27.15 | abrotman | perlmonk: you want to catalogue machines? or routes or what ? |
| 16:27.16 | itchi | liable: I did cd ~/public_html/ svn export svn+ssh://192.168.0.3/home/david/svn_files/shared_codes/website/~david/ . But that not work, cause there are already .svn files there. So i did svn export svn+ssh://192.168.0.3/home/david/svn_files/shared_codes/website/~david and that have made a dir ~david in the ~/public_html/ Again not good, i wanted to remove the direcoty ~david (and i was still in ~/public_html/ ). So i did rm -rf ~david and ... |
| 16:27.17 | perlmonk | xand, Or you simply didn't read it well ? |
| 16:27.17 | xand | perlmonk: the answer is... vim |
| 16:27.18 | amortvigil | hello how can i install firefox?? i followed the tut at firefox.org but it wont work |
| 16:27.18 | liable | stoned: you should get into the rugby too |
| 16:27.21 | stoned | but i don't keep up with the teams or anything |
| 16:27.22 | itchi | ... all my file where gone |
| 16:27.25 | perlmonk | abrotman, Yes, somewhat |
| 16:27.26 | xand | perlmonk: no, you didn't phrase it well |
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| 16:27.38 | abrotman | that was an or |
| 16:27.39 | stoned | liable I don't care much for american football either.. rugby is the shiznit |
| 16:27.39 | ivx | could someone give me an example command to chmod a folder to 775? |
| 16:27.54 | psst | perlmonk: yeah - vim is really god for documenting. |
| 16:27.54 | xand | ivx: chmod 775 something |
| 16:27.57 | perlmonk | I want to list all softwares installed, ports it binds to, functions intented of the server... |
| 16:28.01 | xand | ivx: and it's directory not folder |
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| 16:28.18 | stoned | ivx do you want stuff in the folder to be recursively get those 775 too? |
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| 16:28.25 | stoned | ivx use the -R switch for that |
| 16:28.34 | stoned | my grammar is horrible |
| 16:28.36 | stoned | argh |
| 16:28.38 | ivx | stoned, no just that directory |
| 16:28.41 | stoned | ok |
| 16:28.47 | psst | stoned: did she beat you? |
| 16:28.52 | stoned | who? |
| 16:28.53 | liable | itchi: i dont use svn so i dont quite understand, but if you backed up from svn, then deleted, cant you just backup again? |
| 16:28.53 | xand | ivx: it's really very difficult |
| 16:28.56 | itchi | Anyway, i gona have some export work right now :-p |
| 16:28.57 | psst | your gramma |
| 16:29.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:29.02 | artagnon | Why isn't websitebaker on the repos? |
| 16:29.09 | liable | must be bed time |
| 16:29.20 | itchi | liable: Yeah, no worry to much, i have the stuff in svn ;-) Sleep very well |
| 16:29.25 | stoned | artagnon is that even a debian pacakge? |
| 16:29.28 | perlmonk | Well, guess I'll have to stick with dia |
| 16:29.29 | abrotman | artagnon: wth is it ? |
| 16:29.31 | stoned | !info websitebaker |
| 16:29.40 | itchi | Just that the rm -rf ~david is somethings very sad to do, happy escape |
| 16:29.45 | stoned | <dpkg> Package 'websitebaker' does not exist. |
| 16:29.57 | artagnon | stoned && abrotman: It's a content management system. It's not a package |
| 16:30.02 | xand | perlmonk: you mean you wanted something to make network diagrams? well asked. |
| 16:30.13 | stoned | artagnon anything in debian is a package |
| 16:30.15 | perlmonk | xand, No, not only network diagrams |
| 16:30.18 | abrotman | artagnon: oh .. dunno .. never used it |
| 16:30.24 | amortvigil | what is the difference between firefox and iceweasel? |
| 16:30.28 | abrotman | stoned: he's saying it's not a package .. but it is a content management system |
| 16:30.31 | stoned | artagnon like you "package" the software, software could be binary or text code cms |
| 16:30.32 | stoned | whatever |
| 16:30.34 | lexoplex | Can anyone recommend a free flash plugin for Iceweasel that will work with y**tube? |
| 16:30.36 | abrotman | amortvigil: the logo :) |
| 16:30.36 | artagnon | stoned: Well, it's not in debian |
| 16:30.38 | xand | perlmonk: anyway, really well asked. |
| 16:30.41 | Acu | is any video editor which can add text overlay (cinelerra is imposible to be installed - so anyother sugestion will be great - unless u know how to make cinelerra be installed in Debian etch) |
| 16:30.43 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 16:30.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 16:30.44 | liable | artagnon: ice and fire |
| 16:30.52 | Brian_R | Leox: I do'nt know any free flash plugins whatsoever |
| 16:30.53 | stoned | artagnon I know |
| 16:30.55 | artagnon | liable: Pardon? |
| 16:30.55 | amortvigil | abrotman is that the only difference? |
| 16:31.03 | abrotman | mostly |
| 16:31.03 | xand | you're all insane! |
| 16:31.07 | stoned | Brian_R there a many |
| 16:31.09 | abrotman | aye!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:31.09 | perlmonk | I want something that have the network diagram functionality, yes, but not only, I want something that also does the server's internals doc |
| 16:31.13 | stoned | Brian_R apt-cache search flash :) |
| 16:31.21 | Brian_R | Stoned: libre, not gratis. |
| 16:31.27 | stoned | come again? |
| 16:31.30 | liable | artagnon: nicktab borkage |
| 16:31.31 | abrotman | !flash |
| 16:31.31 | dpkg | i guess flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 16:31.31 | stoned | i don't speak latin |
| 16:31.35 | abrotman | !gnash |
| 16:31.36 | dpkg | i guess gnash is a GNU project to create a free software player for movies in Shockwave Flash format. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a plugin for Firefox. Plugins for other browsers may also be written afterwards. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. Before the launch of Gnash, the GNU project asked for people to assist the GPLFlash project. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 16:31.39 | perlmonk | xand, Yes, well, what else my question could have pointed ? heh.... |
| 16:31.50 | Brian_R | Well. ther'es one. |
| 16:31.58 | stoned | Brian_R you said.. freedom, not granted? |
| 16:31.59 | abrotman | yay!! |
| 16:32.00 | stoned | or something |
| 16:32.06 | stoned | i is lost |
| 16:32.11 | abrotman | stoned: free vs Free |
| 16:32.18 | abrotman | beer vs speech |
| 16:32.21 | stoned | abrotman difference being |
| 16:32.23 | xand | free vs three |
| 16:32.23 | liable | smoke another d00b man |
| 16:32.23 | stoned | oh |
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| 16:32.32 | abrotman | stoned: free source vs free program |
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| 16:32.34 | stoned | liable i haven't toked in like months |
| 16:32.40 | stoned | abrotman ahhh |
| 16:32.44 | stoned | oss vs freeware |
| 16:32.46 | stoned | i got ya |
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| 16:32.51 | lexoplex | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 16:32.54 | Acu | so no video editor which can add text? |
| 16:33.03 | stoned | acu maybe kino? |
| 16:33.14 | artagnon | Why does apt want to install apache2-utils when I try to install apache? |
| 16:33.23 | stoned | artagnon it just does.. let it |
| 16:33.31 | xand | artagnon: because that package has a silly name... it's not just for apache2 |
| 16:33.34 | stoned | artagnon why are you installing apache 1.3 anyway |
| 16:33.43 | Acu | stoned: no, kino does not have such a "luxury" - at least I do not see it there |
| 16:33.44 | stoned | just stick with apache2 |
| 16:33.47 | abrotman | not everything works with apache1 |
| 16:33.50 | abrotman | erm .. apache2 |
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| 16:34.01 | stoned | abrotman true, which is why I still run 1.3 |
| 16:34.02 | artagnon | stoned: I can't get apache2 working |
| 16:34.02 | stoned | :D |
| 16:34.04 | liable | upgrade from sarrge.. |
| 16:34.05 | streuner | 1.3 is stable and reliable |
| 16:34.09 | artagnon | xand: I see |
| 16:34.10 | stoned | streuner how true |
| 16:34.14 | liable | indeed |
| 16:34.17 | rahul | yow |
| 16:34.23 | stoned | hey rahul |
| 16:34.25 | rahul | last night was crazy |
| 16:34.29 | artagnon | stoned: Have you got it working? I can't even start the bloody server |
| 16:34.30 | rahul | I have a date at 3 |
| 16:34.36 | artagnon | Some config files missing problem |
| 16:34.37 | stoned | what! |
| 16:36.21 | rahul | this is unrelated to last night |
| 16:36.21 | abrotman | rahul: SPCA ? |
| 16:36.21 | stoned | rahul man I thought we were gonna hang out today |
| 16:36.21 | abrotman | stoned: let me explain boobs to you ... |
| 16:36.21 | rahul | haha |
| 16:36.21 | stoned | abrotman yeh lol |
| 16:36.22 | stoned | i get it |
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| 16:36.22 | rahul | I'm more of an ass man, myself, actually |
| 16:36.22 | stoned | inappropriate |
| 16:36.22 | stoned | TMI dude |
| 16:36.22 | stoned | TMI |
| 16:36.22 | rahul | but a good set of boobs helps. immensely. |
| 16:36.22 | rahul | heh |
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| 16:36.23 | abrotman | same deal .. different body part |
| 16:36.24 | rahul | well I could have said nose, and you'd all be like, wtf |
| 16:36.24 | stoned | rahul hey to each thier own... crazy fetishes |
| 16:36.24 | stoned | nose? sicko |
| 16:36.25 | stoned | :D |
| 16:36.31 | rahul | heh, but that's eliza |
| 16:36.38 | rahul | she likes my nose |
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| 16:36.56 | stoned | you probably brown nose a lot eh |
| 16:36.58 | stoned | j/k |
| 16:37.05 | markit | hi, iroN_Man is giving me a porn address in private chat |
| 16:37.07 | rahul | heh, with her... hrm |
| 16:37.11 | HYPOCRISY | sup? |
| 16:37.12 | markit | in any case, I'm here for ask help |
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| 16:37.37 | stoned | anything? |
| 16:37.42 | abrotman | !ops iroN_Man reported to be spamming bad stuff |
| 16:37.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: iroN_Man reported to be spamming bad stuff |
| 16:37.42 | streuner | markit: !ops some dude are spamming me (IP) |
| 16:37.44 | markit | I'm installing debian sid 64bit and KDE, but can't install KDE because, aptitude says, some packages are BROKEN... how is that? |
| 16:38.01 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 16:38.01 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge/etch/lenny, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:38.04 | abrotman | start smaller |
| 16:38.04 | stoned | markit it is sid |
| 16:38.09 | rahul | !break |
| 16:38.10 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 16:38.10 | liable | markit: thats perfectly normal |
| 16:38.12 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 16:38.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 16:38.17 | stoned | read the sid faq |
| 16:38.26 | stoned | now! |
| 16:38.34 | markit | stoned: I've 3 more PC with debian sid 32 bit, and KDE without problems... |
| 16:38.46 | stoned | markit then you should know better... |
| 16:38.50 | rahul | markit: you're clearly better at debian than us, so why are you asking for help? |
| 16:38.51 | artagnon | I'm trying to use a content management system with my apache. Let's say I get content management system "foo" and put that directory in my /var/www. When I try to access http://localhost/foo, I get an option to save a PHTML file. What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:38.51 | abrotman | okay .. anyone in NE/MA should now be outside! (or planning) |
| 16:38.52 | stoned | maybe you should consult the bts |
| 16:38.59 | stoned | or not be running sid |
| 16:39.03 | rahul | abrotman: why? because of the weather? |
| 16:39.09 | stoned | sid isn't even officially supported here is it? |
| 16:39.11 | rahul | I can smell the sunshine |
| 16:39.11 | stoned | or what |
| 16:39.12 | markit | well, seems not very friendly channel, isn't it? |
| 16:39.13 | abrotman | rahul: no.. it's naked day |
| 16:39.15 | abrotman | jez |
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| 16:39.20 | rahul | hrm |
| 16:39.21 | abrotman | markit: /msg dpkg install kde .. start smaller |
| 16:39.23 | tarzeau | stoned: it's supported in #debian-sid |
| 16:39.31 | aabbcc | go sox |
| 16:39.31 | stoned | tarzeau i thought as much |
| 16:39.40 | liable | tarzeau: eh? |
| 16:39.43 | abrotman | what masochist would sit in #debian-sid ? |
| 16:39.50 | stoned | rahul well i was gonna chug some beers with ya today and toke up |
| 16:39.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: me |
| 16:39.56 | stoned | but you completely just went for the boobs |
| 16:39.56 | rahul | why were the sox wearing green last night? |
| 16:40.00 | rahul | heh |
| 16:40.01 | stoned | asshole |
| 16:40.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: i don't want support from you |
| 16:40.10 | abrotman | rahul: celtics .. auerbach or whatever his name was |
| 16:40.12 | rahul | stoned: well, afterwards, I'm down to hang out |
| 16:40.28 | rahul | abrotman: ah, someone at the bar said it's 4/20, DUH |
| 16:40.28 | abrotman | odd .. stoned just said he hasn't toked in months ... |
| 16:40.34 | stoned | rahul i got nothing to do tomorrow, i could come over later tonight and maybe crash there |
| 16:40.39 | rahul | yeah |
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| 16:40.47 | stoned | stew's da man |
| 16:40.53 | rahul | assuming my parents don't come to hang... |
| 16:40.56 | abrotman | rahul: today is arbor day in some states .. and federal arbor day |
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| 16:41.12 | rahul | oh, earth day |
| 16:41.18 | stew | i actually worked on killing a tree today |
| 16:41.27 | rahul | home depot is giving out fluorescent lamps |
| 16:41.28 | abrotman | bad stew! |
| 16:41.30 | abrotman | !punish stew |
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| 16:41.37 | abrotman | rahul: CFL ? |
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| 16:41.43 | rahul | mmm thinly-sliced ball |
| 16:41.43 | stoned | ouch? |
| 16:41.45 | rahul | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:41.54 | stoned | rahul you know they eat goat nuts in pakistan |
| 16:41.57 | stoned | call them kapooray |
| 16:42.01 | stoned | delicacy |
| 16:42.05 | stoned | disgusting if ya ask me |
| 16:42.06 | troubled | rahul: nub'cakes! |
| 16:42.08 | rahul | stoned: speaking of TMI |
| 16:42.13 | abrotman | i like CFL .. but i *really* wish they'd make it a lot more apparent they need to be recycled and not just tossed in the trash |
| 16:42.14 | rahul | TROUBLED |
| 16:42.18 | rahul | troubled: you are troubled |
| 16:42.18 | troubled | where?! |
| 16:42.23 | repyskichboarder | http://pastebin.ca/451529 somebody can help me? this error occourr when I try to open the windows's partition |
| 16:42.28 | rahul | !penixstrike troubled |
| 16:42.29 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:42.30 | rahul | right there |
| 16:42.35 | repyskichboarder | hello abrotman |
| 16:42.40 | rahul | abrotman: hrm, true |
| 16:42.43 | stoned | hmm |
| 16:42.44 | abrotman | hi repyskichboarder |
| 16:42.48 | stoned | repyskichboarder you want #debian-es |
| 16:42.51 | stoned | is this spanish? |
| 16:42.59 | repyskichboarder | NO ITALIAN :P |
| 16:43.01 | abrotman | or to LANG=C <command> |
| 16:43.05 | repyskichboarder | ops sorry for the caps |
| 16:43.06 | stoned | then debian-it |
| 16:43.11 | stoned | #debian-it |
| 16:43.22 | repyskichboarder | ok |
| 16:43.40 | stoned | here or on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:43.43 | stoned | er.. irc.debian.org |
| 16:43.48 | stoned | or net |
| 16:43.51 | stoned | fuck i can't remember |
| 16:43.51 | zinx | abrotman: i really wish i know *how* to recycle them |
| 16:43.54 | zinx | erh, knew |
| 16:43.55 | rahul | I hope my place doesn't smell of greenery |
| 16:43.59 | stoned | dude |
| 16:44.02 | troubled | stoned: rough mornin? :) |
| 16:44.02 | stoned | save some for me man |
| 16:44.05 | stoned | at least a doober |
| 16:44.07 | rahul | I hope it's outside that smells of spring :) |
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| 16:44.12 | rahul | stoned: I got shitloads |
| 16:44.16 | stoned | word man |
| 16:44.19 | abrotman | zinx: take them back where you got them |
| 16:44.21 | zinx | abrotman: nearly impossible to recycle anything but paper here, and even that's hard |
| 16:44.23 | rahul | even the bad stuff smells fresh |
| 16:44.23 | stoned | rahul what time you gonna be back home tonight? |
| 16:44.30 | rahul | stoned: dunno, I guess 5 or 6 |
| 16:44.32 | zinx | abrotman: i suspect the store would throw them in the trash |
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| 16:44.36 | abrotman | zinx: from what i understand .. walmart etc will take them |
| 16:44.38 | stoned | oh ok, i'll swing by around 6 or 7 |
| 16:44.42 | abrotman | zinx: that's on them .. you did your part |
| 16:44.47 | rahul | stoned: call me before. |
| 16:44.49 | stoned | yeh |
| 16:44.50 | stoned | word |
| 16:44.54 | zinx | abrotman: interesting, i wouldn't know who to take it to in a walmart, though |
| 16:44.54 | rahul | stoned: or come hang with my parents if you want |
| 16:44.55 | rahul | heh |
| 16:44.57 | stoned | oh |
| 16:44.59 | stoned | fuck that |
| 16:45.12 | abrotman | zinx: i'm pretty sure .. let's ask google! :) |
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| 16:45.16 | rahul | yeah, dunno what their plans are |
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| 16:45.18 | stoned | unless your mom is gonna cook indian food |
| 16:45.27 | rahul | oh, she's gonna bring some |
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| 16:45.50 | rahul | rajma or chole probably |
| 16:46.02 | stoned | im gonna go eat some gobhi gosht |
| 16:46.04 | stoned | bbl |
| 16:46.10 | zinx | abrotman: hehe |
| 16:46.18 | rahul | mmm fried ghost. |
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| 16:46.41 | abrotman | zinx: wikipedia says take them back where you got them |
| 16:46.43 | king_crimson | does anybody know why my etch install's clock keeps changing itself to 5 hours behind? |
| 16:46.45 | phogg | rahul: ghosts don't drop corpses. |
| 16:46.48 | king_crimson | under KDE |
| 16:46.54 | zinx | abrotman: hmmm, do they require a receipt? :P |
| 16:46.56 | stew | king_crimson: are you dual booting with windows? |
| 16:47.01 | king_crimson | yes |
| 16:47.03 | stoned | phogg they drop ectoplasm |
| 16:47.05 | abrotman | king_crimson: does 'date' return the right time ? |
| 16:47.05 | rahul | phogg: in north india they do :P |
| 16:47.11 | stew | king_crimson: toggle the utc setting in /etc/default/rcS |
| 16:47.12 | rahul | heh, yeah, that too |
| 16:47.13 | abrotman | zinx: why? .. doubt it |
| 16:47.15 | king_crimson | no |
| 16:47.16 | king_crimson | it doesnt |
| 16:47.23 | zinx | abrotman: 'cause some stores are really silly |
| 16:47.30 | king_crimson | thanks stew i'll try that |
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| 16:47.58 | king_crimson | its already set to "no" |
| 16:48.02 | abrotman | zinx: hopefully someone just starts making bins at the grocer or something |
| 16:48.03 | king_crimson | should it be yes? |
| 16:48.15 | stew | king_crimson: is your timezone 5 hours off from UTC? |
| 16:48.18 | arraista | it seems like etch won't detect my old network card, but sarge did... *sigh* |
| 16:48.21 | king_crimson | yeah |
| 16:48.27 | king_crimson | i'm central |
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| 16:48.34 | king_crimson | which i set during install |
| 16:48.38 | abrotman | i'm a bit off to the right :) |
| 16:48.39 | turffy | !xconfig |
| 16:48.39 | dpkg | i guess xconfig is for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-mt-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 16:49.06 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 16:49.07 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:49.07 | phogg | abrotman: eastern? conservative? |
| 16:49.21 | abrotman | eastern :) |
| 16:49.35 | phogg | ah, the One True Timezone. |
| 16:49.51 | Brian_R | The One True Timezone -- GMT :) |
| 16:50.34 | rahul | one timezone to rule them all |
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| 16:51.51 | Zvpun | how can I check the root filesystem without shutting it down, fsck says I should not check it because its mounted. |
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| 16:52.12 | abrotman | you can't ? |
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| 16:52.59 | Zvpun | it doesnt even seem to have a check-readonly option |
| 16:53.23 | phogg | Zvpun: you can remount the filesystem as readonly, but even that probably wont let you fsck it |
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| 16:57.16 | turffy | !libqt3-mt-dev |
| 16:58.07 | torrr | what are the numbers next to sockets in /proc/<pid>/fd ? |
| 16:58.11 | torrr | for instance: |
| 16:58.30 | torrr | lrwx------ 1 root root 64 2007-04-21 19:43 3 -> socket:[75114] |
| 16:58.44 | torrr | the 75114 |
| 16:59.09 | rahul | bah |
| 16:59.12 | markit | ! sources |
| 16:59.12 | dpkg | sources is probably /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 16:59.14 | rahul | assbadger |
| 16:59.29 | markit | ! mirrors |
| 16:59.29 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 17:00.49 | turffy | !apt-spy |
| 17:00.49 | dpkg | i guess apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 17:01.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it possible for a package licensed under Creative Commons to enter Debian's official repos? |
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| 17:02.08 | rahul | I should start charging bands to become my friend on myspace |
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| 17:02.28 | turffy | !libqt3-mt-dev |
| 17:02.34 | phogg | rahul: that'll learn 'em. |
| 17:02.38 | rahul | would be a great way to finance going to shows, heh |
| 17:02.55 | rahul | yeah, those dirty riffing mofos |
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| 17:02.59 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses#head-67131dbee718a24e1d227819dd818784aceb9cc9 |
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| 17:03.10 | rahul | wow, this pagan's mind stuff is crazy |
| 17:03.35 | rahul | my birthday is going to be ridiculous |
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| 17:04.15 | turffy | !mkinitramfs |
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| 17:05.03 | ozymandias | does etch with a stock kernel use an initrd? I am looking to install suspend2 and am a bit lost |
| 17:05.16 | rahul | ozymandias: yes |
| 17:05.29 | ozymandias | alright, thanks |
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| 17:09.28 | torrr | what are the numbers next to sockets in /proc/<pid>/fd like in socket:[75147] what is the 75147? is it a port and inode a...? |
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| 17:13.03 | PingFloyd | I've got a bit of conundrum, I'm doing a dpkg-buildpackage of qmail ( dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b ). During the build process I get errors like "chown: changing ownership of `debian/tmp-src': Operation not permitted". I'm guessing that's because I'm building as a user instead of as root. However, I would like to avoid running this as root as it would leave the door open for disaster if there were any mistakes mad |
| 17:13.03 | PingFloyd | e somewhere (keep it isolated ). |
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| 17:15.00 | xoz | PingFloyd: grep for chown command and read what it does. |
| 17:15.07 | dazjorz | Hm |
| 17:15.09 | dazjorz | #debian was full a second ago |
| 17:15.12 | dazjorz | and you need to be invited to #debian-overflow |
| 17:15.14 | dazjorz | :/ |
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| 17:15.30 | xoz | 746 is full |
| 17:15.41 | dazjorz | ATM, 799 is full |
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| 17:16.49 | rahul | oy |
| 17:16.49 | bzed | PingFloyd: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot << use that |
| 17:16.55 | rahul | this date is gonna suck |
| 17:17.03 | bzed | PingFloyd: and install fakeroto if you don't have it yeat |
| 17:17.05 | PingFloyd | xoz: this is the command causing it all "chown -R root.root debian/tmp-src" |
| 17:17.12 | rahul | I'm all bleh from last night |
| 17:17.17 | PingFloyd | bzed: I was using that |
| 17:17.36 | rahul | hrm, and I should find something decent to wear |
| 17:17.46 | bzed | PingFloyd: try fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage instead |
| 17:17.55 | PingFloyd | bzed: invoked the whole process with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -" |
| 17:18.08 | PingFloyd | bzed: ok, brb |
| 17:18.10 | bzed | !beer rahul |
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| 17:18.27 | rahul | I had a beer last night |
| 17:18.31 | xoz | PingFloyd: fakeroot? |
| 17:18.36 | rahul | god the lines in that place were DIRTY |
| 17:18.46 | troubled | rahul: hung over from "a beer"? |
| 17:18.49 | rahul | the killians tasted like gunk. |
| 17:18.59 | rahul | troubled: I also had 6 or 7 mixed drinks |
| 17:19.10 | xoz | PingFloyd: /msg dpkg fakeroot |
| 17:19.13 | PingFloyd | bzed: right on. It worked |
| 17:19.15 | cwheeler | why not bail if it's gonna suck rahul ? |
| 17:19.15 | rahul | hrm, maybe 6 and 3 shots |
| 17:19.22 | cwheeler | get a "headache" |
| 17:19.25 | rahul | cwheeler: she;s coming in from CT |
| 17:19.36 | PingFloyd | in case anyone else runs into the same problem "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b" worked |
| 17:19.37 | dazjorz | Anyhow I'm having problems with Postfix |
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| 17:19.57 | dazjorz | #postfix told me it's probably a Debian-specific problem, that's why I'm asking here |
| 17:20.07 | PingFloyd | as apposed to dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b |
| 17:20.15 | dazjorz | SMTP keeps failing with these error messages in the logs: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=showpaste&paste=81 |
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| 17:20.49 | PingFloyd | thanks for the xoz and bzed |
| 17:20.55 | PingFloyd | thanks for help the xoz and bzed |
| 17:20.58 | K|NgGh0sT | Is there an easy way to go to Xorg 7.2? |
| 17:20.58 | bzed | np |
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| 17:21.13 | bzed | PingFloyd: the better way to go would be not to use qmail imho ;) |
| 17:21.23 | PingFloyd | bzed: how come? |
| 17:21.31 | pdf | Is an OP here in this channel |
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| 17:22.20 | troubled | pdf: try flooding and swearing a bit. should grab someones attn :) |
| 17:22.30 | PingFloyd | bzed: I was using exim4 before |
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| 17:22.35 | pdf | lol troubled |
| 17:22.42 | troubled | !listkeys ops |
| 17:22.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ops' by key (15 of 46): #debian ops ;; #debian-bots ops ;; #debian-ops excessive punctuation ;; CMD: tops (.*?) ;; _default i want ops ;; cheops ;; dselect oopsie ;; hack ircops ;; i want ops ;; laptops ;; linux-laptops ;; ops ;; poopsticks ;; tops-10 ;; ~lopster. |
| 17:22.50 | PingFloyd | bzed: figured I would check out qmail |
| 17:22.56 | rahul | !tops-10 |
| 17:22.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tops-10 is DEC's proprietary OS for the fabled PDP-10 machines, long a favorite of hackers but now effectively extinct. A fountain of hacker folklore; see Appendix A. See also ITS, TOPS-20, TWENEX, VMS, operating system. TOPS-10 was sometimes called BOTS-10 (from `bottoms-ten') as a comment on the inappropriateness of describing it as the top of anything. |
| 17:22.59 | rahul | yay |
| 17:23.02 | troubled | one of those lists the ops |
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| 17:23.35 | ozymandias | dpkg i want ops |
| 17:23.35 | dpkg | Heh, fuck off and beg to someone who cares |
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| 17:23.39 | ozymandias | Laughs Out Loud |
| 17:23.59 | bzed | PingFloyd: qmail is pain in the ass because you don;t have support at all from debian |
| 17:24.09 | bzed | PingFloyd: I'd recommend postfix |
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| 17:24.31 | rahul | !ops pdf has a question for you |
| 17:24.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: rahul complains about: pdf has a question for you |
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| 17:24.44 | PingFloyd | bzed: thanks, I give that one a shot if this ends up being a PITA for me |
| 17:24.54 | troubled | thats the one, ty rahul :) |
| 17:25.21 | troubled | peterS: pssst, see pdf |
| 17:25.40 | bzed | PingFloyd: as far as I remember http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/focus_spam_postfix/ was well written |
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| 17:26.15 | streuner | pdf: what kind of question do you have, maybe a non-OP can you help as well? |
| 17:26.15 | troubled | ElectricElf: damn ee, you still around? :) |
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| 17:26.28 | rahul | stoned: don't you have to take a piss test? |
| 17:27.19 | MicroChip32 | why in he** does apt-get want to install exim along with mysql ?? "apt-get install mysql-common mysql-server mysql-client" |
| 17:27.42 | troubled | MicroChip32: mysql needs MTA i would imagine |
| 17:27.42 | pdf | streuner: I was wondering if you register a channel, how the ops, dont have ops. if that makes sense. I dont see one @ in here |
| 17:27.55 | Uruclef | hey guys, I have a problem with lyx |
| 17:27.59 | Uruclef | can someone help me please? :) |
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| 17:28.10 | troubled | pdf: /msg chanserv help |
| 17:28.15 | MicroChip32 | troubled : why in f*** would mysql need a mail agent ? |
| 17:28.15 | xoz | pdf: for security |
| 17:28.17 | streuner | pdf: you could any time get OPS-Status via chanserv |
| 17:28.21 | RichiH | pdf: what's up? |
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| 17:28.35 | streuner | <pdf> streuner: I was wondering if you register a channel, how the ops, dont have ops. if that makes sense. I dont see one @ in here |
| 17:28.43 | simonrvn | MicroChip32: to email the admin |
| 17:28.48 | RichiH | ah |
| 17:29.08 | RichiH | pdf: when you register a channel, you can do /msg chanserv op #channel foo |
| 17:29.10 | troubled | pdf: you want to know why they dont idle with ops? |
| 17:29.18 | MicroChip32 | simonrvn : hrm, almost makes sense. if i install sendmail will it still try to install exim crap ? |
| 17:29.20 | MetalWolf | hi, is there an easy way to copy the partition table from one disk to another? I am trying to set up a disk identical to my old one to create a raid set up but I have been forced to guess at the mb size of the partition created during the installer |
| 17:29.24 | rahul | http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e107/nitr/5764f609-1.gif <- OMG, it's my hero! |
| 17:29.29 | simonrvn | MicroChip32: no |
| 17:29.39 | MicroChip32 | simonrvn : ok, cool. thanks |
| 17:29.52 | troubled | MicroChip32: apot-=cache show <pkg> and see what the depends are set to. if it says MTA then no, if it says specifically exim then yes |
| 17:29.54 | simonrvn | only one mta gets installed |
| 17:29.58 | RichiH | pdf: freenode philosophy is that it is better for the channel atmosphere when ops do not wear +o all the time |
| 17:29.58 | pdf | RichiH, ive just registered a channel, how can i make it like this one.. without all the users (no offense) |
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| 17:30.19 | RichiH | pdf: what do you mean, 'like this one'? |
| 17:30.20 | pdf | RichiH oooh ok |
| 17:30.36 | pdf | RichiH ops do not wear +o all the time |
| 17:30.40 | RichiH | pdf: if you want, you can join #tapthru |
| 17:30.46 | Rusty1_64 | MetalWolf, maybe gpart could help or sfdisk |
| 17:30.55 | RichiH | pdf: that is the place to get help with those questions |
| 17:31.03 | RichiH | pdf: we can talk in here as well, though |
| 17:31.04 | troubled | pdf: you can make ChanServ join your channel if you set guard mode on though if that makesyou feel better |
| 17:31.05 | pdf | RichiH ok thanks |
| 17:31.07 | MetalWolf | thanks Rusty1_64 I'll have a look at those |
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| 17:31.18 | xoz | MetalWolf: parted or gparted |
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| 17:32.22 | MicroChip32 | mysql-server says it req's mailx, thats the only thing i see |
| 17:32.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried the mana world yet? |
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| 17:33.03 | MetalWolf | ok I will have a look at parted (no x) |
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| 17:35.56 | colher_de_pau | por favorr...alguem percebe como programar uma calculadora em shell bash?! |
| 17:36.20 | colher_de_pau | hi... |
| 17:36.39 | colher_de_pau | can anyone help me programming a bash calculator? |
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| 17:36.40 | xoz | !spanish |
| 17:36.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:36.51 | colher_de_pau | portuguese?! ;) |
| 17:37.02 | zamuro | !po |
| 17:37.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, po is Piss Off or Post Office |
| 17:37.07 | zamuro | !br |
| 17:37.07 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:37.16 | xoz | colher_de_pau: more info. explain. |
| 17:37.19 | colher_de_pau | ok ok... |
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| 17:37.45 | simonrvn | colher_de_pau: #bash |
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| 17:45.57 | lexoplex | When I type 'ls -lh /usr/bin/vim.[tab]', bash completes it to '.../vim.tiny/', i.e. it appends a slash. How could that be? |
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| 17:46.34 | simonrvn | it's a dir? or just an error in the completion? |
| 17:47.10 | lexoplex | simonrvn: Not a dir; when I hit Enter I get an error about it not being a dir... |
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| 17:47.43 | lexoplex | How do I verify that programmable completion is off? |
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| 17:48.58 | simonrvn | that it didn't load bash_completion from somewhere... other than checking what functions are available, i can't think of anything (and that might be only a zsh thing) |
| 17:49.04 | othp | hello, i'm running pppd to set up a pptp vpn connection; i'm in group dip, but i get a "Couldn't get channel number: Input/output error" when I don't run as root. Anyone know why? |
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| 17:50.55 | lexoplex | simonrvn: /etc/bash.bashrc has the completion stuff commented out. |
| 17:50.55 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 17:51.25 | perlmonkey | HWaddr == mac address? |
| 17:51.46 | itom | hi all; I use testing and I try to install 2.6.20 (with headers) of sid; so dependecies want to remove this packet: "initrd-tools tzdata util-linux"; it's ok? |
| 17:51.59 | xoz | lexoplex: type complete and check |
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| 17:52.00 | lexoplex | Huh, it doesn't happen in a fresh terminal? Weird. |
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| 17:52.12 | itom | perlmonkey, yes |
| 17:52.22 | perlmonkey | itom: many thanks |
| 17:52.36 | xoz | lexoplex: ps axf and check the parent of term |
| 17:52.57 | mcgreg | is skype any good (for linux)? |
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| 17:53.47 | perlmonkey | itom: I'm trying to enter my mac addr into my wifi router but it doesnt seem to allow that many digits, any ideas? |
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| 17:54.50 | jetscreamer | ppl seem to like it, mcgreg |
| 17:55.04 | jetscreamer | !tell mcgreg -about popcon |
| 17:55.04 | turffy | !util-linux |
| 17:55.17 | pdf | once i put a file in /usr/bin/ ..what do i do chmod it too so every user can access the program/script |
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| 17:55.27 | jetscreamer | +x |
| 17:55.40 | jetscreamer | maybe +s also |
| 17:55.42 | pdf | chmod +x /usr/bin/thefilehere ? |
| 17:55.49 | itom | perlmonkey, with ifconfig you see mac address of your "intefaces"; I made the same with my wireless router (try to insert the mac address and reboot it) |
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| 17:56.16 | bilsta | hi, is " 17:13:21 up 145 days, 21:07, 0 users, load average: 5.32, 3.65, 2.81 " a bad load average ? |
| 17:56.25 | perlmonkey | itom: but it wont let me enter the full mac address in wifi router |
| 17:56.42 | itom | perlmonkey, try without ":" |
| 17:56.48 | xingu | bilsta: not if you've got 6 cpu cores. :) |
| 17:56.56 | perlmonkey | oh ok |
| 17:57.03 | perlmonkey | thanks, sorry for being dumb |
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| 17:57.19 | bilsta | lol, xingu: i gues a better question would be, how can i tell what is using all that spu ? |
| 17:57.20 | bilsta | *cpu |
| 17:57.33 | xingu | bilsta: vmstat, top |
| 17:58.01 | ArmEagle | hi.. i'm trying to configure a wrt54g router trough an ssh connection.. tried lynx (doesn't show the save changes button) links (doesn't seem to understand the http auth), and w3m (doesn't do javascript).. what other good textbased browser are there? |
| 17:58.06 | perlmonkey | *wasnt |
| 17:58.11 | mcgreg | whioch of both "emulator" is better, wine or cedega? |
| 17:58.17 | xingu | bilsta: loadav == number or runnable processes in any given scheduling quantum. |
| 17:59.01 | xingu | bilsta: tasks can be ready to run and yet also blocked from running for any number of reasons - only one of which is that all cpu cores are already allocated in that quantum |
| 17:59.08 | Doat | mcgreg: price-quality-wise, wine, otherwise cedega might be slightly better |
| 17:59.09 | xoz | !tell ArmEagle about search |
| 17:59.35 | mcgreg | Doat: cedega costs money? |
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| 17:59.54 | K|NgGh0sT | How bad would it be if I used the nvidia installer |
| 17:59.57 | ArmEagle | xoz well true.. :) |
| 18:00.21 | Doat | mcgreg: yes afaik. although you can build cedega for free but it's hard |
| 18:03.08 | perlmonkey | will doing "access control by mac address" secure my open wifi enough until I can setup VPN? |
| 18:03.09 | Doat | mcgreg: after a bit of googling i can say that pre-packaged binaries, copy protections and support is what costs. Everything else is free if you manage to compile it |
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| 18:04.03 | Tallu | perlmonkey: no |
| 18:04.12 | mcgreg | Doat: well, I am now amd x86-64 since 2 days :) I dont think I am do anything like that :) let's say, mI like wine very much ;) |
| 18:04.37 | xingu | perlmonkey: secure it from what? the possibility of a runaway 18-wheeler turning it and you into a pancake while you sleep? |
| 18:04.47 | mcgreg | Doat: I have been ppc-user before |
| 18:04.54 | perlmonkey | i dont want to get hackers |
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| 18:06.00 | |chiz| | perlmonkey: I can hack that no problem |
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| 18:06.12 | ArmEagle | hmm.. anyone know whether w3m can do html/http authentication? |
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| 18:06.25 | perlmonkey | |chiz| you talk too much bollox |
| 18:06.31 | xingu | perlmonkey: it raises the bar; the outer header of all free to air/ wireless comms are suspect - tap and intercept are limited only by budgetry constraint. |
| 18:06.58 | perlmonkey | xingu: what does raises the bar mean |
| 18:07.36 | |chiz| | perlmonkey: seriously though |
| 18:07.48 | perlmonkey | how can sum1 enter a mac addr into my wifi admin eh, they cant so they wont be able to access my wlan |
| 18:07.53 | Tallu | perlmonkey: anyone can see you connected to it, drop you off and take your mac and connect to it. wep isnt much better either, takes around 3 minutes to crack nowadays |
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| 18:08.02 | xingu | perlmonkey: constraining to ethernet address forms a shared secret between your edge nodes and the accesspoint; if you also use closed mode then wep or wpa hash on top of that will make it non-trivial; but sufficient time and budget will still leave it prone to tap and intercept. |
| 18:08.14 | Tallu | Anyways, I have to run, bye! |
| 18:09.11 | perlmonkey | how can someone see/get my mac addr from me, when they can't access my wlan? |
| 18:09.32 | xingu | perlmonkey: they can decode your radio broadcasts. |
| 18:09.35 | asg | perlmonkey: it's trivial to sniff that |
| 18:09.44 | perlmonkey | oh |
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| 18:09.52 | |chiz| | perlmonkey: you can sang a mac address out of the air, clone it on your own machine and bam they are on your network |
| 18:09.56 | asg | perlmonkey: and it's also trivial to reconfigure your interface to use any MAC |
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| 18:10.19 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 18:10.31 | perlmonkey | i better get started on VPN then |
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| 18:10.54 | |chiz| | perlmonkey: I use mac filtering on my wireless too I just figure that there is no one in my neighbourhood that is smart enough to steal internet from me |
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| 18:11.06 | xingu | not that your average wireline plant is any safer |
| 18:11.07 | jetscreamer | use tkip |
| 18:11.08 | xingu | but hey |
| 18:11.19 | perlmonkey | if I run web browser in ssh shell it will be secure over insecure wlan? |
| 18:11.23 | jetscreamer | radius |
| 18:11.34 | bubazoo | in Debian Etch, I have to setup ndiswrapper to get my BCM4318 wifi card to work, but how do I connect to WPA pre-shared key in runlevel 3? without using the network manager applet I mean? |
| 18:11.43 | perlmonkey | |chiz| I think the same, at least its better than nothing eh |
| 18:11.51 | asg | perlmonkey: a vpn will secure your traffic, which is good, but it won't prevent others from using the wireless for their own purposes. |
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| 18:12.10 | perlmonkey | asg: how can we prevent that? |
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| 18:12.28 | |chiz| | perlmonkey: exactly |
| 18:12.30 | stoned | streuner is da man |
| 18:12.38 | perlmonkey | I cannot use WPA |
| 18:12.39 | stoned | Ozric Tentacles pwn |
| 18:12.44 | asg | perlmonkey: the best way is to dump all wireless traffic on to a guest vlan that goes nowhere until they authenticate by some other means. |
| 18:12.46 | xingu | you can't really; an attack on the medium itself is always going to succeed given time and budget |
| 18:12.46 | jetscreamer | !worship streuner |
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| 18:12.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:12.55 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:12.58 | perlmonkey | like... |
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| 18:13.15 | perlmonkey | drop all packets to the wifi unless the user is authenticated to the VPN? |
| 18:13.16 | Ahaeffekt | hi@all |
| 18:13.39 | perlmonkey | I think I know a way to do that |
| 18:13.54 | asg | perlmonkey: pretty much. There are a number of scenarios depending on your requirements |
| 18:14.22 | perlmonkey | I've got another wlan showing on my scanner here, its also insecure |
| 18:14.24 | Vasistha | mornin' all! I have a partition mounted, which contains a net install iso, which is loopback mounted. I can mount and unmount both partition and iso from the command line. But when I shut down or reboot, the partition is not being cleanly unmounted! Any ideas how to make this work properly? |
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| 18:15.17 | asg | Vasistha: put an entry in /etc/fstab |
| 18:15.19 | perlmonkey | accessing someones wlan in my town gets you into jail |
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| 18:15.42 | asg | perlmonkey: it does in most other places; most people, though, have no idea that others are accessing their open wifi. |
| 18:15.48 | Vasistha | asg: alright, I'll try that again. Is the order that the entries appear significant? |
| 18:15.55 | iturk | can someone tell me how to format a usb pen in linux in fat16 filesystem ? |
| 18:15.57 | asg | Vasistha: no |
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| 18:16.08 | asg | iturk: man mkfs.vfat |
| 18:16.08 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 18:16.18 | jetscreamer | amend /etc/init.d/umountfs |
| 18:16.20 | Vasistha | iturk: the mtools package might be helpful |
| 18:16.21 | perlmonkey | asg: how can we check in linux? |
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| 18:16.24 | jetscreamer | Vasistha: just a guess |
| 18:16.41 | asg | perlmonkey: check what? |
| 18:16.44 | bubazoo | in Debian Etch, I have to setup ndiswrapper to get my BCM4318 wifi card to work, but how do I connect to WPA pre-shared key in runlevel 3? without using the network manager applet I mean? |
| 18:16.50 | perlmonkey | if someone is accessing our wifi |
| 18:16.51 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: ah, thanks for that suggestion as well, I'll check it out |
| 18:17.09 | asg | perlmonkey: you'll have to look at your wireless router's logs (hopefully it has some) |
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| 18:17.59 | d0dge | Any way to read .ini files with nano or something like it |
| 18:18.06 | perlmonkey | bugger |
| 18:18.16 | jetscreamer | try nano blah.init |
| 18:18.18 | bubazoo | in most routers, you have to enable logs, their disabled by default normally |
| 18:18.19 | jetscreamer | err ini |
| 18:18.20 | turffy | i would like to install libqt3-mt-dev and mkinitramfs using apt-get, but my source.list only have deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main. what else should i added? |
| 18:18.21 | turffy | ,deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 18:18.24 | perlmonkey | I just set a username/pw for my router, thats wise eh |
| 18:18.29 | amortvigil | just installed phpmyadmin im wondering how i can login normaly its user = root and pass = shell pass isnt it? |
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| 18:18.40 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:18.40 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
| 18:18.51 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:19.01 | jetscreamer | scotch & bourbon are 2 different whiskeys |
| 18:19.28 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:19.30 | jetscreamer | doh |
| 18:19.40 | Vasistha | turffy: make a line just like your http.us.debian.org line, but with deb-src at the beginning |
| 18:19.55 | yang | is there any content system management package joomla or such for etch? |
| 18:20.01 | Vasistha | turffy: oh, and why do you have both sarge and etch sources? Are you running sarge or etch? |
| 18:20.01 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab.1 <-example |
| 18:20.07 | jetscreamer | synaptic ? |
| 18:20.22 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:20.22 | iturk | asg: i am doing mkfs.vfat /dev/sda -I but stil there is files inside after i mount |
| 18:20.26 | jetscreamer | like xen |
| 18:20.30 | Vasistha | yang: there are several, you can find them on p.d.o in the web section. I'm pretty sure both drupal and wordpress are there |
| 18:20.38 | jetscreamer | iturk: you do it to sda1 not sda |
| 18:20.41 | jetscreamer | or sda2 |
| 18:20.43 | yang | Vasistha: thanks |
| 18:21.08 | iturk | jetscreamer: i dont have sda1 or sda2 in /dev/ |
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| 18:21.26 | yang | Vasistha: drupal isn't in etch... |
| 18:21.43 | jetscreamer | iturk: that's nice. still, you mkfs the partition, not the hd |
| 18:22.13 | jetscreamer | iturk: fdisk -l |
| 18:22.14 | iturk | jetcreamer: that is not helping me |
| 18:22.17 | Vasistha | yang: I beg to differ |
| 18:22.21 | jetscreamer | iturk: yes it did |
| 18:22.28 | jetscreamer | jsut not as much as you might like |
| 18:22.41 | Vasistha | yang: oh, excuse me! the lists have not been updated :P |
| 18:22.44 | iturk | jetscreamer: there is a /dev/sda |
| 18:22.46 | yang | Vasistha: I am looking with apt-cache and I don't find any cms |
| 18:22.56 | perlmonkey | if I use VPN tunneling will that also secure me in WinXP? |
| 18:22.56 | jetscreamer | iturk: is it partitioned? |
| 18:23.11 | yang | Vasistha: drupal was in sarge i think |
| 18:23.15 | iturk | it says 129 MB, and cilinder and sectors |
| 18:23.25 | jetscreamer | iturk: did you partition it |
| 18:23.26 | iturk | it's my usb pen stuf |
| 18:23.27 | Fox_1_ | anyone can write etch repository? |
| 18:23.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:23.44 | jetscreamer | iturk: try fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 18:24.10 | Vasistha | yang: I was looking here: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ but unfortunately that is still listing sarge, rather than etch :P |
| 18:24.13 | iturk | jetscreamer: it only shows my usb pen |
| 18:24.23 | perlmonkey | heh. i locked myself out of my router |
| 18:24.29 | jetscreamer | Fox_1_: to edit sources.list you need to be root or use sudo or something |
| 18:24.36 | iturk | jetscreamer: did you ussually partioned usb sticks ? |
| 18:24.42 | jetscreamer | iturk: if it didn't show any partitons you need to partiton it |
| 18:24.46 | hark | Fox_1_: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 18:24.46 | Vasistha | perlmonkey: well, that's what the reset button is for! |
| 18:24.49 | jetscreamer | treat it as an hd |
| 18:25.01 | iturk | jetscreamer: it shows Disk /dev/sda |
| 18:25.02 | Fox_1_ | jetscreamer: i know, i just need url |
| 18:25.03 | perlmonkey | Vasistha: I will go check |
| 18:25.08 | ArmEagle | hmm links2 also manages to mess up the form submit somehow.. well bad luck then |
| 18:25.17 | jetscreamer | iturk: then it's not partitioned |
| 18:25.30 | iturk | jetcreamer: ok what i need for it ? |
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| 18:26.05 | jetscreamer | fdisk can do is, i think cfdisk should work, |
| 18:26.12 | jetscreamer | s/is/it/ |
| 18:26.31 | iturk | jetscreamer: cfdisk /dev/sda its enough ? |
| 18:26.40 | Fox_1_ | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch/main contrib non-free is it ok? |
| 18:26.45 | jetscreamer | iturk: should be |
| 18:27.30 | iturk | jetscreamer: ok i have a menu now which option: new print quit units or write ? |
| 18:28.01 | jetscreamer | iturk: new... iturk you also want type 0c (that's hex) vfat/fat32 lba |
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| 18:28.02 | iturk | jetcreamer: the partion should be primary of logical ? |
| 18:28.12 | jetscreamer | primary |
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| 18:28.24 | hark | Fox_1_: no, see what dpkg said again... |
| 18:28.46 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab.1 <-example |
| 18:28.50 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 18:28.51 | Fox_1_ | hark: and what to ask????????????????????? |
| 18:28.58 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list <-example |
| 18:29.07 | rpc | hello dudes |
| 18:29.15 | hark | !tell Fox_1_ -about sources.list |
| 18:29.29 | hark | or look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:29.56 | rpc | i screwed up big time and didn't dpkg-reconfigure after apt-get upgrade.. my box won't boot anymore.. what is my first step now? |
| 18:29.57 | stoned | im on the phone with worstbuy |
| 18:30.07 | stoned | get my router today and finally get my linux box online |
| 18:30.12 | stoned | I can't wait! |
| 18:30.20 | stoned | almost 2 months and no debian |
| 18:30.26 | perlmonkey | heh. i just broke the reset button my router |
| 18:30.28 | jetscreamer | oh hey stoned i obtained yet another router i don't need yesterday... |
| 18:30.29 | stoned | I was going crazy on winblows man |
| 18:30.34 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks it's work |
| 18:30.38 | stoned | jetscreamer i can pay shipping |
| 18:30.42 | rpc | anyone able to help? |
| 18:30.43 | iturk | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 18:30.44 | stoned | you wanna send itover |
| 18:30.45 | stoned | :D |
| 18:30.45 | perlmonkey | fuk why am i so dumb |
| 18:31.12 | jetscreamer | shipping would probably be half the price of a new one |
| 18:31.17 | stoned | true |
| 18:31.24 | stoned | I actually was looking for a WRT54G |
| 18:31.29 | jetscreamer | and no someday i might have my own datacenter so i need the hardware.... |
| 18:31.36 | jetscreamer | (now that's funny) |
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| 18:31.59 | jetscreamer | you can usually get them for about 50 bucks.. the wrt's |
| 18:32.04 | stoned | yeh |
| 18:32.14 | stoned | on the phone with them, on hold right no |
| 18:32.17 | stoned | now* |
| 18:32.17 | jetscreamer | i had a bad one and exchanged it.. after i bought a new one |
| 18:32.25 | stoned | see if they have it in stock at the store i know how to get to |
| 18:32.26 | stoned | heh |
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| 18:32.37 | jetscreamer | got a refund i mean |
| 18:32.39 | stoned | its 49.99+tax |
| 18:32.47 | concept10 | huh |
| 18:32.52 | rpc | anyone able to help me out? box won't boot anymore and i'm not sure what to do first, it's a remote server |
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| 18:32.59 | rpc | i really need your help guys |
| 18:33.10 | jetscreamer | we shouldn't have to tell you about ask |
| 18:33.15 | rpc | i can access it over a recovery console though |
| 18:33.15 | concept10 | stoned: hows it going buddy |
| 18:33.16 | jetscreamer | !tell rpc -about ask |
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| 18:33.26 | rpc | and i got access to all the files too, just not sure how to fix it |
| 18:33.31 | perlmonkey | will setting a username/pw on router admin serve any useful security purpose from the point of view of outside interference on an insecure wlan? |
| 18:33.59 | iturk | jetcreamer: should i mount /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 now ? |
| 18:34.06 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: yes, absolutely |
| 18:34.17 | concept10 | im using irssi with the split windows functionality and im confused as crap |
| 18:34.20 | jetscreamer | iturk: you want to mkfs the sda1, then after that you mount sda1 |
| 18:34.32 | jetscreamer | iturk: note the msg when you exited cfdisk |
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| 18:34.46 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: If strangers can connect to your wlan, and there's no password on the router configuration, they can reconfigure it to their liking, possibly even locking you out of it (until you hard-reset the router) |
| 18:34.47 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 18:34.49 | jetscreamer | the kernel may be using the old partition table (not that there was one) |
| 18:34.50 | stoned | I'm off to best buy |
| 18:34.59 | perlmonkey | damn |
| 18:35.05 | concept10 | jetscreamer: you say you picked up a wrt for around $50? |
| 18:35.10 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: While you're in the router config, though, why not enable WPA? |
| 18:35.23 | jetscreamer | concept10: yeah, and stoned just said it's 49.95 at best buy |
| 18:35.35 | rpc | anyone? |
| 18:35.36 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 18:35.59 | concept10 | that sucker ignored me, im going to get him |
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| 18:36.51 | rpc | does it make sense to apt-get install another kernel and hope that it will overwrite whatever settings are wrong so the box will boot again? |
| 18:37.08 | rpc | anyone here ever used recovery console at all? |
| 18:37.09 | Wyzard | rpc: How can you run apt-get if the box won't boot? |
| 18:37.18 | rpc | Wyzard i'm in recovery console |
| 18:37.22 | rpc | and i got networking |
| 18:37.31 | Wyzard | You mean the single-user shell? |
| 18:37.31 | rpc | i also mounted all the partitions so far |
| 18:37.34 | rpc | no |
| 18:37.35 | Wyzard | In that case there's nothing wrong with your kernel |
| 18:37.37 | Vasistha | rpc: so the box boots, you just can't run X |
| 18:37.39 | rpc | i'm not local |
| 18:37.44 | rpc | Vasistha no |
| 18:37.56 | rpc | Wyzard if you don't understand just tell me |
| 18:38.13 | rpc | box won't boot.. i'm using a special recovery console at the colo |
| 18:38.18 | jetscreamer | nobody understands rpc, you didn't explain |
| 18:38.26 | Wyzard | rpc: I don't understand what "recovery console" you mean, if it's not the single-user root shell that you get when (for example) fsck finds problems |
| 18:38.28 | Vasistha | rpc: well, you can have more than one kernel installed and choose which one to boot ... with your menu.lst default, if needed |
| 18:38.38 | rpc | ok people let me try again: |
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| 18:38.57 | rpc | i tried apt-get upgrade and there was some initrd error that i ignored.. i reboot after and now the box won't boot |
| 18:39.00 | jetscreamer | rather, didn't explain well |
| 18:39.05 | rpc | what would be the first step to fix it? |
| 18:39.11 | rpc | jetscreamer it is HARD to explain |
| 18:39.16 | jetscreamer | check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:39.23 | rpc | jetscreamer hm |
| 18:39.28 | jetscreamer | look for the initrd directive on the kernel stanza |
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| 18:39.34 | rpc | jetscreamer there is no /boot/grub |
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| 18:39.39 | danielss89 | Hi |
| 18:39.43 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:39.48 | jetscreamer | doh vps |
| 18:39.50 | Wyzard | rpc: Maybe your /boot is on a separate partition that isn't mounted? |
| 18:39.52 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 18:39.53 | rpc | there should be one.. wondering wtf |
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| 18:39.59 | jetscreamer | vps or colo |
| 18:40.00 | rpc | jetscreamer it's NOT damn vps mate |
| 18:40.03 | rpc | colo |
| 18:40.10 | Vasistha | rpc: are you using lilo? |
| 18:40.15 | rpc | Wyzard i have just mounted that separate partition |
| 18:40.23 | Wyzard | rpc: then you should see /boot/grub now |
| 18:40.27 | rpc | i see initrd stuff, vmlinuz etc but no grub |
| 18:40.31 | jetscreamer | check fstab and see |
| 18:40.38 | jetscreamer | check for /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 18:40.54 | concept10 | maybe his grub is misconfigured for what partition to find /boot |
| 18:41.05 | jetscreamer | i mean check fstab, and also see if /etc/lilo.conf exists |
| 18:41.10 | Wyzard | concept10: That wouldn't have been changed by an "apt-get upgrade", and presumably the box booted before |
| 18:41.14 | jetscreamer | locate menu.lst |
| 18:41.34 | jetscreamer | what kernel did yo try to upgrade to |
| 18:41.44 | jetscreamer | if you say 2.6.20 i get to laugh |
| 18:41.46 | rpc | it is strange - i see no grub nor lilo stuff at all |
| 18:42.03 | concept10 | rpc: you see none when you use locate ? |
| 18:42.11 | rpc | Wyzard it's a colo's tool.. it's called recovery console |
| 18:42.17 | rpc | concept10 trying |
| 18:42.38 | jetscreamer | man, poptarts don't taste as good as they used to |
| 18:42.45 | AndrewB | ops |
| 18:42.47 | rpc | concept10 well /sbin/grub is here |
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| 18:42.57 | concept10 | jetscreamer: thats because your tastebuds are old |
| 18:42.58 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: blueberry is the best kind |
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| 18:43.03 | rpc | and grub.list is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/grub.list |
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| 18:43.14 | jetscreamer | rpc: the grub directory 'can' be elsewhere... usually isn't, but can be |
| 18:43.24 | rpc | jetscreamer hm |
| 18:43.25 | jetscreamer | updatedb && locate menu.lst |
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| 18:43.30 | Wyzard | rpc: no, that's not the one, that's just part of dpkg's metadata about what packages are installed |
| 18:43.36 | rpc | right |
| 18:43.39 | concept10 | yeah, thats what i was going to say: updatedb |
| 18:43.44 | jetscreamer | that's Lst not 1st |
| 18:44.03 | rpc | # find / -name menu.lst |
| 18:44.03 | rpc | find: ./.. changed during execution of find |
| 18:44.08 | rpc | now i don't get it.. |
| 18:45.01 | concept10 | rpc: just ditch grub and re-write all of the init scripts and you should get it boot by next week :) |
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| 18:45.15 | jetscreamer | install gentoo! |
| 18:45.19 | rpc | what do you think if i just tried reinstalling Etch? can i simply overwrite files without wiping the whole system? |
| 18:45.27 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 18:45.27 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 18:45.31 | jetscreamer | yes you can |
| 18:45.51 | rpc | hm |
| 18:45.54 | jetscreamer | you shouldn't have to though |
| 18:45.54 | Wyzard | rpc: You could do that, but it's almost certainly unnecessary, and I wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:45.58 | concept10 | I would try to fix the problem before reinstall |
| 18:46.03 | jetscreamer | what Wyzard said |
| 18:46.05 | rpc | well i am trying |
| 18:46.06 | jetscreamer | and concept10 |
| 18:46.14 | jetscreamer | well quit giving up so quick |
| 18:46.15 | rpc | and yes, i don't want to reinstall |
| 18:46.15 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 18:46.16 | concept10 | that way you get an understanding of the problem |
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| 18:46.24 | Wyzard | rpc: That'll leave you with leftover files from packages that the system no longer knows are installed, etc. |
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| 18:46.31 | rpc | i'm not giving up, just wondering what to do, never had such a problem |
| 18:46.40 | rpc | Wyzard right.. |
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| 18:46.56 | jetscreamer | figure out how the box boots should probably be step one... grub or lilo |
| 18:46.57 | Wyzard | rpc: Can you remember any more about the problem than "some initrd error" ? |
| 18:47.03 | concept10 | I found that reinstalling is for "Windoze Power Users(TM)" |
| 18:47.03 | rpc | somehow the initrd got screwed up while doing apt-upgrade.. that's how it all started |
| 18:47.09 | jetscreamer | step 2, find the config files for the bootloader |
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| 18:47.21 | rpc | jetscreamer it was grub, i'm sure |
| 18:47.27 | jetscreamer | it's not 2.6.20 is it |
| 18:47.32 | rpc | it is |
| 18:47.36 | rpc | 2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 18:47.38 | jetscreamer | that is why |
| 18:47.38 | concept10 | maybe you could update the initramfs again |
| 18:47.45 | rpc | jetscreamer you serious? |
| 18:47.47 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:47.55 | Wyzard | rpc: Why did you upgrade to unstable's kernel on a stable server? |
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| 18:47.57 | jetscreamer | it's borked on this box also |
| 18:48.10 | rpc | concept10 i would love to, but how? can i edit something or mv files or whatever like that? i can see whole /boot content |
| 18:48.10 | jetscreamer | my handrolled 2.6.20 works fine however |
| 18:48.17 | h3sp4wn | you need a newer initramfs-tools probably |
| 18:48.21 | jetscreamer | there is some new ata driver in the kernel |
| 18:48.25 | rpc | Wyzard well i was trying to solve another prob |
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| 18:48.31 | orangey | hey all! |
| 18:48.41 | rpc | BUT i have a few other kernels handy too |
| 18:48.47 | orangey | I'm about to upgrade from sarge to etch. |
| 18:48.48 | rpc | just not sure how to make it switch now |
| 18:48.50 | Wyzard | rpc: 2.6.20 isn't even the default in unstable yet |
| 18:48.53 | jetscreamer | boot the 2.6.18 stock |
| 18:49.00 | rpc | jetscreamer how do i switch? |
| 18:49.01 | jetscreamer | it works |
| 18:49.05 | orangey | any advice or known problems? |
| 18:49.08 | jetscreamer | in grub when you boot |
| 18:49.10 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 18:49.16 | jetscreamer | edit menu.lst .... |
| 18:49.17 | Vasistha | orangey: did you read the upgrade guide! |
| 18:49.18 | Pobega | orangey: Just read the release notes, that's your best bet. |
| 18:49.18 | concept10 | so he cant locate the /boot directory at all? |
| 18:49.24 | Vasistha | !sarge->etch |
| 18:49.24 | dpkg | hmm... sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 18:49.25 | orangey | Pobega: I have. |
| 18:49.27 | rpc | jetscreamer can you understand thew situation that i'm having? it's a colo box |
| 18:49.31 | jetscreamer | can't locate /boot/grub afaik |
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| 18:49.37 | rpc | jetscreamer i don't see the boot menu when doing remote reset |
| 18:49.40 | orangey | Pobega: Just making sure there isn't anything outside of the docs that I should know about. |
| 18:49.48 | jetscreamer | rpc: amend the bootloader is what you need to do |
| 18:49.53 | jetscreamer | 2.6.20 is broken |
| 18:50.06 | rpc | ok i will boot 2.6.18 but HOW do i fix it? |
| 18:50.13 | Pobega | orangey: Everything should be mentioned in there, so you should be safe to go ahead and upgrade now :) Although that isn't to say breakage is a totally impossibility. |
| 18:50.16 | jetscreamer | rpc: edit menu.lst |
| 18:50.19 | jetscreamer | for grub |
| 18:50.21 | rpc | it's not there |
| 18:50.36 | Wyzard | rpc: You've mounted /boot and you see kernels in there, but no "grub" subdirectory? |
| 18:50.45 | rpc | Wyzard exactly! |
| 18:50.51 | jetscreamer | rpc: then your colo has some weird boot schema and you need to talk to them to figure out how to fix it... imo |
| 18:50.55 | Wyzard | rpc: Did you check whether you have an /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 18:51.00 | rpc | i got 5 kernels in there and initrd stuff but not grub dir |
| 18:51.06 | concept10 | reinstall grub? |
| 18:51.11 | pumpkin0 | rpc: do you know for sure which bootloader is used ? |
| 18:51.17 | rpc | jetscreamer it booted off dhcp... tmpfs |
| 18:51.29 | rpc | pumpkin0 yes, that's grub, 100% |
| 18:51.30 | iturk | hey guys i am doing this: inserting my usb pen then - cfdisk /dev/sda to partion then - mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 to format it then - mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 then - i copy some files to inside then - i unmount it - then when i mount it again i get: VFS: cant find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1. |
| 18:51.36 | Wyzard | rpc: If you have kernels in /boot, you're not net-booting |
| 18:51.42 | rpc | Wyzard i have no /etc/lilo.conf |
| 18:52.24 | rpc | Wyzard i do have them because i manually mounted that partition |
| 18:52.24 | Wyzard | rpc: or at least, if installing a kernel in /boot caused the system to try to boot that kernel, it isn't net-booting |
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| 18:52.24 | pumpkin0 | rpc: then you are not looking at the right partition. how many does cfdisk show ? |
| 18:52.24 | concept10 | Wyzard: that doesnt define whether you are net-booting or not |
| 18:52.25 | rpc | pumpkin0 i got 4 partitions on /dev/sda |
| 18:52.25 | Wyzard | concept10: yeah, that's why I amended my statement :-) |
| 18:52.29 | rpc | pumpkin0 swap, boot, root and all the rest |
| 18:52.38 | pumpkin0 | rpc: does any of these contain a grub-config ? |
| 18:52.42 | xoz | iturk: did you create sda1 in cfdisk? |
| 18:52.43 | rpc | concept10 it WAS a netboot, 100% |
| 18:52.50 | iturk | xoz: yes |
| 18:53.09 | Wyzard | rpc: You're saying that the system loads its kernel over the network from another machine, and not from its local /boot? |
| 18:53.09 | rpc | pumpkin0 should it be on any other than boot one? |
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| 18:53.09 | stoned | fuck nyc |
| 18:53.11 | jetscreamer | rpc: but normally it's not a netboot, the netboot is just a function of this 'recovery console' eh |
| 18:53.13 | xoz | iturk: try parted |
| 18:53.14 | rpc | Wyzard yes, looks like it |
| 18:53.24 | rpc | jetscreamer yes |
| 18:53.25 | Wyzard | rpc: For normal boots, not for the recovery console, I mean |
| 18:53.27 | iturk | xoz: what is parted ? |
| 18:53.28 | yetifoot | sorry if this is just spam, but thanks anyone who helped on etch, its truly been a better experience than sarge |
| 18:53.36 | stoned | parted is awesome |
| 18:53.36 | xoz | iturk: similar to cfdisk |
| 18:53.39 | stoned | its a disk partitioning tool |
| 18:53.57 | xoz | iturk: or gparted if you have X |
| 18:54.01 | concept10 | I dont understand the recovery console.. How is this hooked into his box (curious) |
| 18:54.04 | rpc | Wyzard: # uname -ar |
| 18:54.04 | rpc | Linux rescue 2.6.18.5 #4 SMP Fri Dec 29 11:39:27 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:54.04 | pumpkin0 | rpc: grub and netboot ... is that box preconfigured by the colo-center ? |
| 18:54.07 | rpc | see now? |
| 18:54.13 | rpc | it's not "my" kernel |
| 18:54.17 | Wyzard | rpc: Not the recovery console, the *normal* boot process that you're trying to fix |
| 18:54.19 | jetscreamer | something about colocation at a remote host/datacenter |
| 18:54.22 | iturk | xoz: no X just console mode |
| 18:54.32 | stoned | jetscreamer i still have not used that thing you made for me |
| 18:54.33 | Wyzard | rpc: When the machine is working properly, does it load its kernel over the network, or from /boot? |
| 18:54.40 | stoned | jetscreamer hdfs something |
| 18:54.51 | rpc | Wyzard no, it would go from /boot then |
| 18:54.53 | jetscreamer | ah yeah |
| 18:54.57 | stoned | jetscreamer soon |
| 18:54.58 | jetscreamer | it's stil there |
| 18:55.13 | jetscreamer | hey i should pay the bill come to think of it |
| 18:55.16 | xoz | iturk: then use parted |
| 18:55.21 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, so you're using either GRUB or (less likely) LILO |
| 18:55.21 | stoned | jetscreamer dude? |
| 18:55.22 | jetscreamer | rather, have that client pay his bill |
| 18:55.30 | rpc | Wyzard it's just a specific manual action i took now and that's so called recovery console when i get access to my box in this strange way when it netboots |
| 18:55.35 | Wyzard | rpc: You don't seem to be using LILO, but a normal GRUB installation would have a /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
| 18:55.50 | jetscreamer | stoned: the joys of being a reseller |
| 18:55.50 | rpc | Wyzard why is it missing at all then? on my own hard drive |
| 18:56.01 | stoned | jetscreamer profitable? |
| 18:56.03 | rpc | Wyzard it disappeared while doing apt-get upgrade or what? :) |
| 18:56.03 | pumpkin0 | rpc are you sure it's a real PC and not a virtual something ? |
| 18:56.04 | Wyzard | rpc: If that doesn't exist on your system, you should ask your colo's tech support about how they have the system configured to boot |
| 18:56.10 | rpc | pumpkin0 yes |
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| 18:56.14 | jetscreamer | stoned: it probably might be if i wasn't so lazy |
| 18:56.16 | Wyzard | rpc: Nothing in an upgrade would delete all of /boot/grub |
| 18:56.18 | stoned | lol |
| 18:56.18 | xoz | rpc: are you sure you have only one linux installed. it may be from another linux in your system. |
| 18:56.28 | concept10 | rpc: what datacenter/host is this? I would like to read about the recovery console |
| 18:56.28 | stoned | lee nooks |
| 18:56.39 | rpc | xoz i recognize my stuff in /boot that i prepared and played with before |
| 18:56.52 | stoned | yes, hi. I'm Nooks. Lee Nooks. |
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| 18:56.58 | stoned | ahaha pfft |
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| 18:57.11 | rpc | xoz it's just that my grub dir is gone |
| 18:57.16 | jetscreamer | leo nucks |
| 18:57.29 | jetscreamer | rpc: or was never there in the first place |
| 18:57.38 | rpc | i can also reinstall the whole system that way, remotely that is |
| 18:57.40 | Wyzard | rpc: Your operating system was installed by the colo facility, right? Not by you personally? |
| 18:57.48 | jetscreamer | you sure that's not running on xen or something? |
| 18:57.48 | xoz | rpc: which means that you need to reinstall grub. just install it and check. |
| 18:57.49 | rpc | jetscreamer it WAS there... i rememeber i was editing menu.lst in the past |
| 18:57.57 | rpc | Wyzard no.. |
| 18:58.04 | rpc | Wyzard i can install whatever i want myself |
| 18:58.13 | jetscreamer | rpc: did you check fstab ? |
| 18:58.15 | rpc | jetscreamer i tell you man it's a REAL box there |
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| 18:58.30 | rpc | jetscreamer yes it's empty, just 1 entry from the netboot there now |
| 18:58.34 | tola | I just upgraded my server to etch, misunderstood a message during installation and have disabled challenge-response authentication for OpenSSH. How can I turn it back on? |
| 18:58.37 | rpc | i wonder where is the damn real file :) |
| 18:58.47 | jetscreamer | rpc: have the colo restore from a good backup |
| 18:59.03 | rpc | jetscreamer it's not a managed server |
| 18:59.04 | Vasistha | tola: probably a config file in /etc/ssh |
| 18:59.06 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:59.10 | iturk | xoz: i am doing inside parted: mkpartfs primary fat16 0 124 and i am getting -> Error: Unable to open /dev/sda - unrecognised disk label |
| 18:59.18 | Wyzard | rpc: /etc/fstab will be the one from the recovery thing... you want the one on your local hard drive that you've mounted |
| 18:59.26 | Wyzard | rpc: /mnt/whatever/etc/fstab, something like that |
| 18:59.35 | xoz | iturk: what debian are you using? |
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| 18:59.42 | rpc | Wyzard well i do have access to WHOLE drive or even two of them... every single file |
| 18:59.43 | iturk | xoz: etch |
| 19:00.05 | xoz | iturk: what does dmesg say when you plug usbdisk |
| 19:00.07 | rpc | Wyzard it is a bit confusing though |
| 19:00.23 | Wyzard | rpc: In this recovery console, where did you mount the partition that contains your Debian installation? |
| 19:00.27 | rpc | Wyzard as it's running on some alien kernel now and some files are also kind of replaced |
| 19:00.39 | rpc | Wyzard i tried using real locations |
| 19:00.44 | Octopus | Anyone might know what causes that I can't start x11vnc remotely through ssh connection, but I CAN when starting in terminal being physically behind the box? |
| 19:00.47 | Octopus | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 19:00.51 | rpc | Wyzard same as it was on the real boot |
| 19:00.51 | Octopus | 21/04/2007 20:48:18 *** XOpenDisplay failed (:0) |
| 19:00.59 | Wyzard | rpc: It's not files that are "replaced"... you're running from an entirely different, separate Debian installation |
| 19:01.04 | rpc | Wyzard so e.g. my /dev/sda2 became /boot |
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| 19:01.22 | rpc | Wyzard hm then how come i recognize my own files in /boot now? |
| 19:01.35 | rpc | they come from my real partition named /dev/sda2 |
| 19:01.35 | Wyzard | rpc: because you mounted your "real" boot partition on /boot |
| 19:01.43 | iturk | xoz: now it's using sdb instead of sda and it's saying: sdb: unknows partition table |
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| 19:01.47 | rpc | right but still grub dir is not there |
| 19:01.49 | Wyzard | You did "mount /dev/sda2 /boot" |
| 19:01.54 | rpc | yes. |
| 19:02.00 | FuzzyB | does anyone have a sane answer as to why debian doesn't have a php5-rrdtool? Decent work around that doesn't require recompiling all of php? |
| 19:02.12 | Wyzard | but where did you mount the partition that contains Debian itself? |
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| 19:02.15 | xoz | iturk: dmesg says that? |
| 19:02.17 | Wyzard | i.e. your main OS partition |
| 19:02.22 | iturk | xoz: really |
| 19:02.29 | rpc | Wyzard you mean / ? |
| 19:02.29 | cat_ | Wyzard: in you're hd perhaps |
| 19:02.35 | Wyzard | rpc: yes, your / partition |
| 19:02.46 | rpc | Wyzard i did: mount /dev/sda4 / |
| 19:02.56 | x_link | Is there anyway I can see how fast my RAM works right now? |
| 19:02.56 | rpc | as that's the main one |
| 19:02.59 | xoz | iturk: it seems you removed the usbdisk without properly unmounting it. so it created another sdb because sda is taken. |
| 19:03.07 | Wyzard | rpc: hehe, ok |
| 19:03.10 | iturk | xoz: ok |
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| 19:03.18 | x_link | opps. wrong channel |
| 19:03.21 | rpc | Wyzard from my /boot: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Mar 3 21:09 initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 19:03.25 | Wyzard | rpc: That's not a good way to do it |
| 19:03.34 | rpc | so how should i do it? |
| 19:03.39 | iturk | xoz: can i still partioned with parted ? |
| 19:03.44 | rpc | btw: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4745158 Feb 2 18:52 initrd.img-2.6.18-3-xen-vserver-686.dpkg-bak |
| 19:03.48 | Wyzard | rpc: because what that does is causes your "real" installation to "hide" the recovery installation |
| 19:03.50 | rpc | err wrong one |
| 19:03.53 | xoz | iturk: try reboot first. |
| 19:04.05 | rpc | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5126924 Apr 18 12:29 initrd.img-2.6.20-1-k7.dpkg-bak |
| 19:04.09 | Wyzard | rpc: Unmount that, first of all -- "umoun /" should work since it's only unmounting your sda4 and not the original mount of / |
| 19:04.12 | rpc | why is it dpkg-bak? |
| 19:04.14 | xoz | iturk: then check dmesg when you plug usbdisk. |
| 19:04.16 | Wyzard | rpc: oops, "umount /" |
| 19:04.22 | Wyzard | rpc: umount /boot too |
| 19:04.24 | iturk | xoz: that's out of debian policy |
| 19:04.27 | rpc | Wyzard well hm |
| 19:04.27 | rpc | ok |
| 19:04.35 | Wyzard | rpc: then make a subdirectory in /mnt, say /mnt/debian |
| 19:04.42 | Wyzard | rpc: mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/debian |
| 19:04.47 | Wyzard | rpc: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/debian/boot |
| 19:04.48 | Wyzard | etc. |
| 19:04.51 | xoz | iturk: even better, plug it already while rebooting. |
| 19:04.59 | xoz | iturk: or try parted first |
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| 19:05.14 | rpc | Wyzard ok i will do that but still... what is the difference? i won't be able to install/fix anything that way too |
| 19:05.21 | rpc | or am i wrong? |
| 19:05.28 | Wyzard | rpc: Then you're not breaking your recovery system by mounting another Debian installation on top of it, but you can still access your real installation |
| 19:05.34 | Wyzard | rpc: You can chroot into it, for example |
| 19:05.35 | Acu | I want to install cinelerra video editing (or any other tool which allows me to add text to video) can anyone help me ? |
| 19:05.38 | rpc | i tohught i would emulate a real installation with what i just did |
| 19:05.50 | rpc | Wyzard oh chroot hmm... |
| 19:05.58 | iturk | xoz: ok it's rebooting now |
| 19:06.00 | Wyzard | rpc: Your goal isn't to emulate your real installation, it's to fix your real installation so you can boot it |
| 19:06.25 | rpc | Wyzard but still... fixing will take editing the menu.lst... and it's gone |
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| 19:06.28 | Wyzard | rpc: The recovery system is a completely different Debian installation from the real one |
| 19:06.37 | xoz | iturk: make sure dmesg or /var/log recognizes your usbdisk correctly. |
| 19:06.46 | rpc | hm right.. it's residing in the memory right? |
| 19:06.46 | Wyzard | rpc: Now you can look at your real fstab though -- it's /mnt/debian/etc/fstab |
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| 19:07.12 | Wyzard | rpc: It's probably an NFS mount or something, actually |
| 19:07.14 | rpc | Wyzard please give me 2 mins... i might need to reboot and run console from scratch as i can't umount / now |
| 19:07.23 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, do that |
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| 19:07.28 | iturk | xoz: it still says sda: unknown partition table |
| 19:07.30 | rpc | umount: /: device is busy |
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| 19:07.51 | Wyzard | rpc: I'm not surprised |
| 19:07.54 | xoz | iturk: then, your usbdisk is not recognized... the driver is not loaded. |
| 19:08.05 | rpc | Wyzard right :) |
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| 19:08.12 | rpc | ok booting into console again in 1 min. |
| 19:08.21 | xoz | iturk: just try parted and check if it can work. |
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| 19:09.00 | xoz | iturk: parted /dev/sda |
| 19:09.09 | smacnay | Hi, I am using x-chat in gnome. Are there any other recommended gui irc clients? |
| 19:09.22 | danielss89 | Hi, im triyng to install a mail system on my server.. ive installed exim and mysql and courier and other stuff.. and ive copied a exim config file.. bu it get this error: Exim configuration error in line 145 of /etc/exim4/exim4.conf:main option "mysql_servers" unknown |
| 19:09.29 | rpc | Wyzard i'm in and all fresh |
| 19:09.32 | danielss89 | bu it = but i |
| 19:09.43 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, now create your /mnt/debian directory and mount your stuff in it |
| 19:09.45 | rpc | Wyzard all i can see now is: tmpfs 1011M 0 1011M 0% /dev/shm |
| 19:09.52 | iturk | xoz: i am trying this: i have partioned with cfdisk now and i am rebooting now |
| 19:10.00 | rpc | Wyzard so like /mnt/debian becomes / right? |
| 19:10.18 | Wyzard | rpc: I'm not sure what you mean about "becoming" / |
| 19:10.29 | Wyzard | rpc: You want to mount /dev/sda4, which is ordinarily "/", on "/mnt/debian" this time |
| 19:10.32 | rpc | Wyzard i'm about to create a directory tree in there |
| 19:10.35 | iturk | xoz: ok now it recognize |
| 19:10.39 | danielss89 | am i missing any packages or what is wrong? |
| 19:10.40 | xoz | iturk: yeah. sometimes, rebooting after partitioning is better. |
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| 19:10.44 | Wyzard | rpc: because it's *not* the root filesystem of the recovery system you're running now |
| 19:10.45 | rpc | Wyzard i have /boot /root and / on my system |
| 19:11.04 | rpc | Wyzard should i create /mnt/debian/boot and /mnt/debian/root too? |
| 19:11.13 | rpc | and mount those 3 partitions there? |
| 19:11.16 | rpc | or just / ? |
| 19:11.18 | xoz | iturk: partition, reboot, then format |
| 19:11.27 | Wyzard | rpc: Once you mount sda4 on /mnt/debian, you'll have the boot and root subdirectories there |
| 19:11.36 | xoz | iturk: i think this is cfdisk issue |
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| 19:11.39 | Wyzard | rpc: Then you mount the other filesystems on them |
| 19:11.46 | rpc | Wyzard hm my /root and /boot are REAL partitions, not dirs |
| 19:11.51 | h3sp4wn | or just chroot and run mount -a |
| 19:12.01 | rpc | root is /dev/sda2 and boot is /dev/sda3 |
| 19:12.04 | Wyzard | rpc: I understand that, but filesystems (i.e. partitions) get mounted on directories |
| 19:12.06 | xoz | iturk: use parted for formatting. |
| 19:12.13 | rpc | hm |
| 19:12.29 | Wyzard | rpc: Your root filesystem, on sda4, contains empty directories called "boot" and "root" upon which those other partitions are normally mounted |
| 19:12.31 | rpc | Wyzard so i just did: # mount /dev/sda4 /mnt/debian |
| 19:12.32 | xoz | iturk: or even redo the partitioning and formatting using parted. |
| 19:12.39 | rpc | oh right... |
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| 19:12.45 | Wyzard | rpc: Now look in /mnt/debian and you'll see everything on your system |
| 19:12.47 | foo | http://pastebin.ca/451686 |
| 19:12.57 | Wyzard | rpc: including the empty /boot and /root, which you can now mount the other partitions on |
| 19:12.58 | foo | Eh, any ideas with that? I'm not too sure what's wrong, other than some dep problems |
| 19:13.06 | rpc | Wyzard yes, i see e.g. boot in there but that dir is empty now |
| 19:13.13 | rpc | so i should mount them now? |
| 19:13.17 | Wyzard | rpc: yes |
| 19:13.20 | rpc | ok. |
| 19:13.43 | Wyzard | rpc: and then you should see your kernels in /mnt/debian/boot, etc. |
| 19:13.45 | rpc | all mounted |
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| 19:13.52 | ma3x | when I launch ppracer , I get this open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
| 19:13.54 | rpc | Wyzard i'm going to /mnt/debian/boot now |
| 19:13.55 | ma3x | what should I install? |
| 19:13.56 | Wyzard | rpc: if you're going to chroot, you should also "mount --bind /proc /mnt/debian/proc" |
| 19:14.04 | xoz | foo: touch /etc/init.d/inetd |
| 19:14.07 | rpc | Wyzard should i chroot now? |
| 19:14.15 | FuzzyB | ma3x: man mknod |
| 19:14.16 | rpc | and expect that i get "my" system in full then? |
| 19:14.19 | Wyzard | rpc: If you want |
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| 19:14.32 | xoz | foo: as root. |
| 19:14.34 | foo | xoz: How can I touch a file? Is that a joke or something? |
| 19:14.35 | rpc | i want to feel "at home", will that work in such way? :) |
| 19:14.36 | Wyzard | rpc: You'll probably want to do it eventually, but at this point we're just looking at files |
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| 19:14.42 | foo | xoz: That's like touching something in the matrix |
| 19:14.43 | Wyzard | rpc: ok, go ahead then |
| 19:14.45 | xoz | foo: type in command line |
| 19:14.51 | mhall | What's the keyboard shortcuts to change TV channels in xine? |
| 19:15.02 | rpc | Wyzard i just want to forget about the netboot and think that it's my real system there now |
| 19:15.06 | Wyzard | rpc: The chroot will make your /mnt/debian appear as /, so you'll effectively be "at home" |
| 19:15.22 | foo | xoz: hehe, just kidding :) http://pastebin.ca/451692 |
| 19:15.23 | rpc | Wyzard right |
| 19:15.23 | rpc | but first mount --bind /proc /mnt/debian/proc, yes? |
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| 19:15.44 | xoz | foo: the script expects that file before it can proceed. |
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| 19:15.47 | Wyzard | rpc: right, so you have /proc in your chrooted system |
| 19:15.52 | xoz | foo: are you using sid? |
| 19:16.01 | foo | xoz: etch |
| 19:16.02 | Wyzard | rpc: You might also want to bind-mount /sys, but that probably isn't necessary for recovery work |
| 19:16.03 | perlmonkey | if i run ssh to connect to my laptop from a console on my laptop and run start a browser from ssh, is that a secure connection for browser then if the wifi is insecure? |
| 19:16.14 | foo | xoz: Hm, I did what you said... the touch is at the top, hm |
| 19:16.29 | rpc | Wyzard and would you mind telling me how to chroot properly? so i don't screw up something again |
| 19:16.35 | Wyzard | rpc: chroot /mnt/debian |
| 19:16.37 | rpc | i'm really confused and nervous now |
| 19:16.40 | rpc | oh ok :) |
| 19:16.48 | FuzzyB | chroot <path> <path to shell? |
| 19:16.50 | FuzzyB | err |
| 19:16.53 | rpc | done. |
| 19:16.54 | FuzzyB | chroot <path> <path to shell> |
| 19:17.16 | Wyzard | rpc: It'll start a new shell; when you exit it (with "exit" or ctrl-D or whatever) you'll be back in the netboot system, outside the chroot |
| 19:17.17 | rpc | Wyzard, FuzzyB thank you, i just chrooted |
| 19:17.30 | rpc | Wyzard very cool, indeed |
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| 19:17.42 | xoz | foo: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/netkit-inetd.prerm and maybe comment the removal of the inetd... or just comment all so that you can proceed. |
| 19:17.43 | foo | xoz: See what I'm saying? Hm, but yeah, this is etch - I upgraded the other day (from sarge) |
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| 19:17.53 | Wyzard | rpc: Take a look in /boot now and see if you have a "grub" subdirectory -- you should see the same files you did before, but it's worth checking anyway |
| 19:17.57 | rpc | Wyzard in fact, when i did df -h it looks exactly as my real system now... |
| 19:17.58 | perlmonkey | like: laptop with insecure wifi (open kconsole) -->start ssh--->run firefox from ssh = secure browser? |
| 19:18.05 | Wyzard | rpc: and also check whether you have an /etc/lilo.conf now |
| 19:18.16 | concept10 | jetscreamer: you say you have the wrt right? |
| 19:18.17 | rpc | Wyzard ok checking both |
| 19:18.24 | foo | xoz: ok, thanks, that worked. What is a .prerm file? |
| 19:18.31 | xoz | foo: have you read the releasenotes before upgrading? /msg dpkg etch |
| 19:18.41 | foo | xoz: yes, I have |
| 19:18.45 | rpc | Wyzard: /boot/grub is not there |
| 19:18.47 | xoz | foo: pre-removal script |
| 19:18.52 | foo | xoz: Did I miss something? I did everything it said |
| 19:18.56 | BUMBACL0T | is there any way to hide a file another than adding a dot in front of it? |
| 19:18.58 | foo | xoz: ah, I see |
| 19:19.00 | danielss89 | How can i install exim4 with mysql support? |
| 19:19.04 | rpc | Wyzard BUT /etc/lilo.conf is in place |
| 19:19.07 | FuzzyB | BUMBACL0T: no |
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| 19:19.12 | FuzzyB | because .* still matches |
| 19:19.18 | xoz | foo: apparently, inetd was deleted by another inetd package |
| 19:19.19 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, so your system does boot with lilo |
| 19:19.27 | foo | xoz: hm, strange |
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| 19:19.36 | perlmonkey | laptop with insecure wifi (open kconsole) -->start ssh--->run firefox from ssh = secure browser? |
| 19:19.41 | rpc | Wyzard hm in fact it says root=/dev/sda4.... |
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| 19:19.46 | rpc | and that's correct... |
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| 19:20.06 | xoz | foo: it is just a minor bug maybe in the prerm script... |
| 19:20.08 | rpc | Wyzard i thought i was using grub but it was some vmware box i believe... |
| 19:20.10 | Wyzard | rpc: IIRC, it should also say that the kernel is /vmlinuz and the initrd is /initrd.img |
| 19:20.16 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 19:20.18 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: your network is still exposed. But the transfers made for/by FF are OK. |
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| 19:20.36 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: cool |
| 19:20.36 | rpc | Wyzard definetly my bootloader is grub as i can also see this: append="nmi_watchdog=0" <--i added that lately, i remember |
| 19:20.55 | Wyzard | rpc: your bootloader is lilo, not grub |
| 19:21.02 | rpc | Wyzard it says image=/boot/vmlinuz |
| 19:21.10 | BUMBACL0T | FuzzyB, is there any attribute like windows's "hidden" ? |
| 19:21.12 | foo | xoz: ah, I see. So that prerm script is called when it's trying to be removed, I need to remember that |
| 19:21.17 | rpc | err yes it's lilo, sorry.. so nervous now |
| 19:21.26 | rpc | i meant lilo and mistyped that |
| 19:21.41 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: but wouldnt you need a ssh connection to the gateway server on wlan? i mean, if i just do ssh connection from my laptop, to my laptop, the traffic from browser will still be insecure over wlan? |
| 19:21.42 | iturk | xoz: sometimes when i mount the pen it comes full of garbage. why is this happening ? |
| 19:21.44 | Wyzard | rpc: ok, sometimes it's in / and sometimes it's in /boot... but the "/boot/vmlinuz" and "/boot/initrd.img" are the important part here |
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| 19:21.56 | rpc | Wyzard so it says image=/boot/vmlinuz and initrd=/boot/initrd.img |
| 19:22.02 | FuzzyB | BUMBACL0T: not that i'm aware of, other than normal file permissions |
| 19:22.03 | mmlj4 | is there a GUI tool to adjust X settings? |
| 19:22.06 | xoz | foo: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ contains those script from pre-removal to post-removal... if any of these fails, you will have deps problem because it will stop installing that package. |
| 19:22.09 | Wyzard | rpc: Those are symlinks to actual kernels -- close your lilo.conf and do "ls -l /boot" and you'll see them |
| 19:22.18 | Wyzard | rpc: and you'll see that they point to your 2.6.20 kernel |
| 19:22.21 | rpc | Wyzard right |
| 19:22.23 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: hope you see what i mean, hard to explain :-/ |
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| 19:22.40 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: why would you ssh from your bos to your box ? That does not make sense. |
| 19:22.41 | Wyzard | rpc: You want to change those symlinks so they point to your 2.6.18 kernel instead |
| 19:22.47 | rpc | Wyzard there is a strange thing though in there |
| 19:22.51 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: basically I mean, instead of running FF from konsole, use a ssh window on laptop |
| 19:23.02 | rpc | hm so you suggest getting rid of 2.6.20 boot at all? |
| 19:23.07 | rpc | and go back to 2.6.18? |
| 19:23.08 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: i guess im being dumb eh |
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| 19:23.17 | foo | xoz: ah, I see, thanks! |
| 19:23.17 | Wyzard | rpc: Well, your goal is to make your system go back to 2.6.18, right? |
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| 19:23.20 | rpc | i just want the BEST 32-bit kernel there is, is that 2.6.18 now? |
| 19:23.25 | Wyzard | rpc: People were telling you that 2.6.20 has problems |
| 19:23.29 | rpc | right |
| 19:23.39 | rpc | so i will take this chance and go back to 2.6.18 i believe... |
| 19:23.40 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: that only generates a bit of CPU-load for the useless encrypting. You ssh into another PC on the other side of the WLAN. |
| 19:23.49 | Wyzard | rpc: 2.6.18 is the kernel in Debian stable |
| 19:23.57 | xoz | iturk: try using parted from partitioning to formatting and check if the garbage still persist. either you have a cheap usbdisk or maybe you need a better kernel |
| 19:23.59 | rpc | Wyzard i have this one in there waiting: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1259920 Feb 2 18:50 vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 19:24.01 | Wyzard | rpc: 2.6.20 is available in Debian unstable, but it's not the default yet, even there |
| 19:24.02 | rpc | is that ok? |
| 19:24.04 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: but how can you run a local app like FF in that ssh tunnel? |
| 19:24.14 | Wyzard | rpc: 2.6.18-3? |
| 19:24.14 | rpc | Wyzard right.. i quit the 2.6.20 idea... |
| 19:24.19 | rpc | yes |
| 19:24.27 | Wyzard | rpc: etch's kernel is 2.6.18-4 |
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| 19:24.39 | Wyzard | rpc: You must not have updated that in a few months... |
| 19:24.40 | rpc | well i installed etch a while ago, before it went stable |
| 19:24.48 | rpc | then i was using 2.6.20 |
| 19:24.49 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: ssh can tunnel network and X11. You can run FF on a PC on the other side of the planet and have the display on your local PC. |
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| 19:25.05 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, well, switch back to 2.6.18-3 for now, and once the box is running properly, do an etch upgrade |
| 19:25.08 | rpc | Wyzard how about i just tried to apt-get install 2.6.18-4 now? will it work? |
| 19:25.15 | xoz | iturk: i have experienced buggy cfdisk. but also, your hardware usbdisk may be buggy. |
| 19:25.15 | Wyzard | rpc: How did you install 2.6.20, btw? |
| 19:25.27 | rpc | Wyzard i DID upgrade before.. that's how i screwed the box... |
| 19:25.30 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: woah how? |
| 19:25.34 | rpc | it never boot up after reboot |
| 19:25.51 | rpc | Wyzard hm i got it from some source tru apt-get |
| 19:25.58 | rpc | Wyzard let me give you the address |
| 19:26.08 | Wyzard | rpc: IIRC you said you installed 2.6.20 with apt-get... does that mean you have "unstable" sources in your sources.list? |
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| 19:26.20 | rpc | Wyzard: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ |
| 19:26.27 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: running a program on one PC does not limit it's output to that PC (this is X, not so lame windows GUI). If the server is configured for that "ssh -X <IP-of-server>" works. |
| 19:26.36 | rpc | Wyzard i used that source for 2.6.20-3 |
| 19:26.38 | perlmonkey | :D |
| 19:26.39 | rpc | a while ago.. |
| 19:26.58 | rpc | Wyzard: deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ sid main to be exact |
| 19:26.59 | Wyzard | rpc: umm... the 2.6.20 in Debian unstable is 2.6.20-1 |
| 19:27.09 | Wyzard | rpc: That's someone's third-party unofficial kernel package |
| 19:27.16 | Wyzard | rpc: Take that out |
| 19:27.18 | perlmonkey | so maybe I dont need to get all complicated and VPN afterall? ssh can provide the secure tunnelling for specific apps eh |
| 19:27.23 | rpc | right.. looks like it was a debianized kernel |
| 19:27.40 | tola | Upgraded to etc, mod_php is broken. Whenever I load a web page which is generated by php it now returns a file of MIME type application/x-httpd-php instead of text/html - any idea what's broken? |
| 19:27.45 | tola | *etch |
| 19:27.56 | rpc | Wyzard that source looked reliable and i was having DEEP probs with my nic on that time so i needed to see 2.6.20 to estimate if it helps with the problem |
| 19:27.57 | Wyzard | rpc: and remove that 2.6.20 package you installed |
| 19:28.09 | Wyzard | rpc: what kind of NIC? |
| 19:28.10 | rpc | Wyzard ok so once i boot to 2.6.18 i get rid of that at all |
| 19:28.16 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: That is not really third party - its the debian kernel teams repository |
| 19:28.34 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: ssh works for any apps without 3D. But you rnetwork stays open. everyone can join and use your internetconnection. |
| 19:28.46 | rpc | Wyzard it was realtek 8169... you might remember my moans here that lasted for weeks... i finally got it replaced with quality intel nic though |
| 19:28.47 | perlmonkey | what about transfering files over NFS and so forth across wlan? |
| 19:28.49 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: Why would it have a 2.6.20-3 when there's not even a 2.6.20-2 yet? |
| 19:29.11 | rpc | Wyzard isn't there 2.6.20-4 now? |
| 19:29.21 | Wyzard | rpc: rtl8139 has worked fine for years... you do not need to upgrade 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 to use an rtl8139 |
| 19:29.24 | Wyzard | rpc: no, that's 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:29.28 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: transferring files and doing basic system commands would be vunerable to eavesdropping? |
| 19:29.31 | rpc | anyway i don't trust/need that anymore... just want the box up and running 2.6.18-3/4 :) |
| 19:29.49 | perlmonkey | pumpkin: unless it was done in ssh eh |
| 19:29.58 | rpc | Wyzard to be honest... there was a diff between 8169 PCI and mobo one... |
| 19:30.08 | rpc | and mobo one gives deep problems to many people |
| 19:30.11 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: over ssh ? no. right. Use telnet or ftp and you are toast. |
| 19:30.15 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: No idea - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel (that is their repository though) |
| 19:30.18 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 19:30.31 | Wyzard | rpc: oh, 8169, not 8139 -- sorry, I misread |
| 19:30.34 | rpc | Wyzard i managed to replace it and my nic related probs are gone now |
| 19:30.36 | perlmonkey | ssh-->ftp = secure? |
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| 19:30.52 | xoz | perlmonkey: sftp |
| 19:30.54 | Wyzard | rpc: Anyway, I'm using an onboard 8169 right now in this box, and another of my boxes has a PCI-card 8169, and both work fine in 2.6.18 |
| 19:30.54 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: if you are 100% sure the tunneling worked: yes. |
| 19:30.59 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 19:31.06 | Wyzard | rpc: I also have a box with an Intel gigabit NIC and that works fine in 2.6.18 too |
| 19:31.08 | rpc | Wyzard yes but not with amd dual core probably? |
| 19:31.26 | rpc | Wyzard 8169 onboard on AMD X2... that's the prob, confirmed officially |
| 19:31.28 | Wyzard | rpc: Intel dual-core, but I doubt the processor manufacturer has any effect on how the NIC works |
| 19:31.35 | perlmonkey | I think maybe theres some apps I can secure or use in ssh tunnel, like mythtv |
| 19:31.37 | rpc | there IS a prob, trust me |
| 19:31.41 | Wyzard | rpc: weird :-/ |
| 19:31.41 | perlmonkey | i need a VPN still I think |
| 19:31.46 | rpc | Wyzard yes |
| 19:31.48 | perlmonkey | *can = cant |
| 19:31.50 | Wyzard | rpc: Anyway, you replaced it with an Intel one, right? |
| 19:31.58 | rpc | Wyzard it's a bug in kernel and there is no workaround so far |
| 19:31.59 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: no 3D or accelerated stuff like videos... |
| 19:32.11 | rpc | yes, i managed to replace it as i gave them a proof that the problem isn't fixable |
| 19:32.16 | rpc | wasn't* |
| 19:32.27 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: what can be done for that? |
| 19:32.30 | rpc | and they confirmed it wasn't the first time someone asked for that. |
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| 19:32.34 | perlmonkey | VPN? |
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| 19:32.56 | Hoxzer | Virtual Private Network |
| 19:33.02 | Wyzard | rpc: so 2.6.18 should be workable now -- I know that Intel NIC is supported in 2.6.18 because my router uses one, and presumably there's no bug involving Intel NICs and X2 processors |
| 19:33.04 | rpc | Wyzard once the box is back to life i will happily tell you more of this story he he |
| 19:33.14 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: only 20-3~snapshot exists (not surprising its not working) |
| 19:33.28 | perlmonkey | VPN->3D/video transferring over wlan = secure? |
| 19:33.30 | rpc | Wyzard yes, intel will work very well with 2.6.18 for sure, i don't really need 2.6.20 anymore |
| 19:33.34 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: video over network only works if the player is running localy. transfering the uncompressed video over networks is ... not so good. You need several GB/s for fullscreen. |
| 19:33.41 | Wyzard | perlmonkey: Why not just enable WPA? |
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| 19:33.56 | rpc | Wyzard the exact problem is the dual core stuff - it needs different programming for onboard 8169 |
| 19:33.57 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: 3D over network => dead prog. |
| 19:33.58 | perlmonkey | I can't use WPA my card's driver/firmware does not support it :-/ |
| 19:34.08 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, so change those vmlinuz and initrd.img symlinks to point to your 2.6.18 |
| 19:34.08 | rpc | and that's screwed up for now, no workaround yet |
| 19:34.19 | rpc | Wyzard i'm going to /boot now |
| 19:34.34 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: there is a software WPA that works with a LOT of drivers. Are you sure ? did you really test wpasupplicant ? |
| 19:34.35 | Wyzard | rpc: (There should be ".old" backup symlinks, so you can just do "mv vmlinuz.old vmlinuz" and "mv initrd.img.old initrd.img") |
| 19:35.04 | rpc | Wyzard hm i see no .old symlinks in there |
| 19:35.09 | perlmonkey | pumpkin0: aye, I tried wpasupplicant for like 8 hrs without success, tried every driver option and all kinds of stuff but it would not work |
| 19:35.15 | rpc | so i assume i will just wipe the existing ones and add new ones? |
| 19:35.15 | Wyzard | rpc: The way it works is that when you install a new kernel, the existing vmlinuz and initrd.img symlinks get renamed with the ".old" suffix, and then a new pair of symlinks are created, pointing to the new kernel |
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| 19:35.26 | Wyzard | rpc: ok, yeah, just delete them and recreate then |
| 19:35.26 | rpc | i read you |
| 19:35.31 | pumpkin0 | perlmonkey: which WLAN-driver do you use ? |
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| 19:35.46 | Wyzard | rpc: When you upgrade to 2.6.18-4, you should end up with ".old" symlinks pointing to 2.6.18-3 |
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| 19:35.59 | ma3x | FuzzyB, mknod: missing operand after `/dev/sequencer' |
| 19:36.02 | vicentecarro | hi |
| 19:36.06 | rpc | Wyzard i will happily try it as soon as possible |
| 19:36.14 | rpc | Wyzard but once again, can't i just apt-get install 2.6.18-4 now? |
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| 19:36.25 | FuzzyB | ma3x: try harder |
| 19:36.29 | Wyzard | rpc: yeah, you probably can |
| 19:36.40 | rpc | Wyzard i will see if i can find them in apt-cache |
| 19:37.12 | Wyzard | rpc: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:37.28 | Wyzard | rpc: That's a metapackage that always depends on the latest kernel, in this case 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:37.35 | ma3x | FuzzyB, what kind of type? |
| 19:37.36 | rpc | Wyzard oh hm |
| 19:37.45 | FuzzyB | ma3x: what does google tell you |
| 19:37.59 | ma3x | I want to start nexuiz but it segfaults |
| 19:37.59 | vicentecarro | I'm testing Debian Live for PS3 and i can not guess the root password |
| 19:37.59 | ma3x | what is wrong? |
| 19:38.04 | rpc | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 19:38.04 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.05 | rpc | wow :) |
| 19:38.24 | Wyzard | rpc: Actually, since you're using an AMD processor, you might want to use -k7 instead of -686 |
| 19:38.27 | ma3x | FuzzyB, google for what? |
| 19:38.30 | Wyzard | rpc: though it probably doesn't make much difference |
| 19:38.30 | rpc | Wyzard: it's downloaded now and it is running depmod |
| 19:38.54 | rpc | Wyzard hm... that's the most confusing part.. some people say that k7 isn't this good for X2 |
| 19:39.06 | rpc | honestly i would love 64-bit debian instead.. |
| 19:39.14 | rpc | BUT vmware-server won't work with that |
| 19:39.19 | FuzzyB | ma3x: are you that dense? You ask me a question but you can't ask google? |
| 19:39.20 | rpc | and i need it to work he he |
| 19:39.45 | rpc | Wyzard a problem here: Error running the boot loader in test mode. |
| 19:39.58 | mmlj4 | i'm stuck at 640x480, xrandr shows only that size... is there another driver for me to try? is there a GUI X config / driver config tool? |
| 19:39.59 | Wyzard | rpc: VMware Server does run on 64-bit Debian |
| 19:40.14 | rpc | Wyzard are you sure it does? no probs compiling the module? |
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| 19:40.41 | pumpkin0 | mmirko: what gfx-card do you have ? |
| 19:40.45 | Wyzard | rpc: I've used it successfully in 64-bit Debian using 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:40.57 | pumpkin0 | mmlj4: what gfx-card do you have ? |
| 19:41.01 | rpc | Wyzard hmm... |
| 19:41.24 | rpc | Wyzard then i could use a special 64-bit kernel for my X2 |
| 19:41.39 | rpc | but still... first i need to boot up the damn box |
| 19:41.42 | Wyzard | rpc: Well, a 64-bit kernel does not make a 64-bit OS |
| 19:41.49 | Wyzard | rpc: You'd have to reinstall your whole system to go 64-bit |
| 19:41.58 | rpc | right and that i can't do for now |
| 19:42.01 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 19:42.08 | Wyzard | which is fine; 32-bit is fine |
| 19:42.11 | tola | php is completely broken after upgrading to etch, does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 19:42.16 | Wyzard | unless you need to run 64-bit VMs for some reason |
| 19:42.28 | mmlj4 | pumpkin0: intel extreme |
| 19:42.37 | Wyzard | rpc: Regarding that error message, what happens if you run "lilo" manually? |
| 19:42.54 | Wyzard | rpc: and are your vmlinuz and initrd.img symlinks correct now? |
| 19:42.56 | rpc | Wyzard it says about raid related prob while i have no raid in there |
| 19:43.03 | rpc | yes, those 2 are OK |
| 19:43.03 | Wyzard | rpc: (They should've been created when installing the package) |
| 19:43.13 | Wyzard | rpc: What's the exact error message? |
| 19:43.17 | rpc | Wyzard i will try lilo -v and paste, is this ok? |
| 19:43.28 | Wyzard | sure, but use pastebin if it's more than 3 lines |
| 19:43.29 | rpc | btw i see .old stuff now there too which is cool |
| 19:43.40 | rpc | Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed |
| 19:43.40 | rpc | Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") |
| 19:43.55 | rpc | i never installed a raid in there... /dev/sda is just my primary drive |
| 19:44.03 | rpc | sata one |
| 19:44.21 | Wyzard | rpc: I have no idea what that means... it's been years since I've used LILO (I use GRUB now) and I've never seen that message before |
| 19:44.25 | danielss89 | is etch still testing? |
| 19:44.35 | Wyzard | danielss89: No, it was released a few weeks ago |
| 19:44.35 | rpc | danielss89 topic.. |
| 19:44.46 | mmlj4 | danielss89: nope |
| 19:44.49 | rpc | Wyzard i assume i could just skip that error message |
| 19:45.00 | wols | !tell tola about errors |
| 19:45.09 | Wyzard | rpc: well, "fatal" sounds like lilo aborted and didn't actually update the bootloader |
| 19:45.11 | rpc | Wyzard the /etc/lilo.conf looks good imho |
| 19:45.12 | danielss89 | so what should my sources.list look like now?? when its not testing anymore? |
| 19:45.18 | rpc | Wyzard hrhm.. damn it. |
| 19:45.22 | Wyzard | danielss89: "etch" |
| 19:45.31 | danielss89 | :S |
| 19:45.37 | pumpkin0 | danielss89: change all "testing" strings into "etch". |
| 19:45.45 | Wyzard | danielss89: If you do an update while your sources.list says "testing" you'll end up running newer-than-stable |
| 19:45.47 | pumpkin0 | danielss89: (or stable) |
| 19:45.59 | tola | wols: The error isn't very helpful. It's mediawiki and it says |
| 19:45.59 | tola | Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /home/tola/public_html/w/includes/ObjectCache.php on line 409 |
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| 19:46.01 | Wyzard | danielss89: either "etch" or "stable" -- the difference being what happens when lenny is released |
| 19:46.05 | rpc | Wyzard can it be related to some raid module running or something? |
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| 19:46.16 | wols | tola: what is this "objectcache"? |
| 19:46.50 | danielss89 | hmm i get this error: root@danielss89:/usr/src# apt-get source postfix |
| 19:46.50 | danielss89 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 19:46.50 | danielss89 | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 19:46.50 | danielss89 | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
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| 19:46.53 | danielss89 | sorry |
| 19:46.56 | Wyzard | rpc: http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/blfs-support/2003-May/039718.html |
| 19:47.06 | Wyzard | rpc: Evidently lilo doesn't work within a chroot |
| 19:47.07 | wols | tola: reinstall mediawiki (but reuse your databasde) |
| 19:47.08 | tola | wols: it's part of mediawiki |
| 19:47.12 | wols | best make a backup beforehand |
| 19:47.26 | asg | danielss89: /msg dpkg deb-src |
| 19:47.35 | rpc | Wyzard oh. |
| 19:47.49 | rpc | Wyzard so in this case i could just try to boot |
| 19:47.53 | rpc | as symlinks seem fine |
| 19:47.56 | asg | danielss89: change 'stable' to 'sarge' or 'etch' or whatever it is you are running. |
| 19:47.57 | wols | tola: and make sure you only use etch php packages. did you install backports? |
| 19:47.59 | Wyzard | rpc: no, you need to run lilo |
| 19:48.04 | rpc | Wyzard hm |
| 19:48.04 | Wyzard | rpc: but you'll need to do it from outside the chroot |
| 19:48.05 | tola | wols: it's not just mediawiki that's broken. Other applications which use php are broken too. They mainly return a file of MIME type application/x-httpd-php instead of text/html |
| 19:48.21 | tola | (when loaded in the browser) |
| 19:48.22 | rpc | so exit now? |
| 19:48.31 | Wyzard | rpc: Exit the chroot and "cp /mnt/debian/etc/lilo.conf /etc" |
| 19:48.31 | wols | tola: then you apache config is wrong. what are your php vresions that you have installed? |
| 19:49.06 | vicentecarro | In what channel can i get support of debian-live for PS3? |
| 19:49.06 | rpc | Wyzard hm... very nice :) let me try |
| 19:49.10 | wols | tola: again: backports? |
| 19:49.10 | danielss89 | thx |
| 19:49.10 | tola | wols: PHP 4.4.4-8+etch1 |
| 19:49.11 | wols | vicentecarro: where did you get that distro? |
| 19:49.11 | Wyzard | rpc: Edit /etc/lilo.conf (this is now the one in the recovery system, not on your hard drive) so that all the files it refers to are the ones in /mnt/debian |
| 19:49.11 | wols | it's certainly not real debian |
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| 19:49.19 | Wyzard | rpc: /mnt/debian/boot/vmlinuz, etc. |
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| 19:49.31 | tola | wols: backports? |
| 19:49.33 | sergio_ | ot: does someone practice diving? |
| 19:49.33 | rpc | Wyzard now i have a new problem... |
| 19:49.46 | wols | tola: and your mod-php vresion? |
| 19:49.47 | Wyzard | rpc: then run lilo (or, if the recovery console doesn't have lilo installed, /mnt/debian/sbin/lilo) |
| 19:49.51 | wols | !find php4 etch |
| 19:49.52 | vicentecarro | wols, here: http://www.keshi.org/moin/moin.cgi/PS3/Debian/Live But there is no irc channel about |
| 19:49.52 | rpc | Wyzard ok i will do what you just said, i didn't |
| 19:49.57 | pumpkin0 | wols: it's a live-CD recompiled for PS3 plus some configs copied from fedora. |
| 19:50.11 | wols | vicentecarro: well, it's not debian. it's only based on debian |
| 19:50.17 | vicentecarro | hmm |
| 19:50.26 | wols | pumpkin0: where has debian a livecd? |
| 19:50.29 | marc | hi, is it possible to install just the xserver core witout all the device drivers (xserver-xorg-video* packages)? |
| 19:50.40 | vicentecarro | ok wols |
| 19:50.42 | tola | wols: I don't know how to find that out but i've just installed mod_php from fresh because the etch upgrade process removed it! |
| 19:50.48 | wols | marc: no. why would you want to do it? |
| 19:51.02 | wols | tola: dpkg -l |
| 19:51.03 | tola | wols: (fresh from etch) |
| 19:51.05 | pumpkin0 | wols: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ (the more-or-less offical one) |
| 19:51.06 | rpc | Wyzard... |
| 19:51.06 | rpc | # lilo |
| 19:51.06 | rpc | Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x0010 (NFS/RAID mirror down ?) |
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| 19:51.21 | rpc | Wyzard it tried to alter a partition on /dev/sdb |
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| 19:51.27 | rpc | Wyzard not sure why |
| 19:51.41 | xoz | tola: read Readme of mod_php? |
| 19:51.45 | tola | wols: 4.4.4-8+etch1 |
| 19:51.49 | Wyzard | rpc: no idea, sorry |
| 19:51.50 | rpc | Wyzard: Reference: disk "/dev/sdb" (8,16) 0810 |
| 19:51.52 | vicentecarro | pumpkin0, in the "official" live, is there a root password? |
| 19:52.02 | Wyzard | rpc: Does your lilo.conf mention sdb anywhere? |
| 19:52.04 | pumpkin0 | vicentecarro: no idea. Ask them irc://irc.oftc.net/#debian-live ? |
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| 19:52.10 | vicentecarro | ok, thanks |
| 19:52.11 | rpc | Wyzard not at all |
| 19:52.12 | marc | i try to install just a minimal system. |
| 19:52.27 | rpc | Wyzard lilo assumes that i run a raid... and i DONT... |
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| 19:52.37 | wols | tola: apache1 or apache2? |
| 19:52.49 | tola | wols: apache2 |
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| 19:53.14 | rpc | Wyzard it was same stuff when i was apt-get upgrading... it said some error about mdm |
| 19:53.19 | Wyzard | rpc: I don't see why lilo would assume you use raid |
| 19:53.24 | xoz | tola: apache does not recognize it because mod_php is not configured properly |
| 19:53.24 | jetscreamer | concept10: yes i have one |
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| 19:53.51 | wols | marc: tola pastebin the output of grep -r php /etc/apache2/ |
| 19:53.52 | rpc | Wyzard it really is weird |
| 19:53.58 | xoz | tola: check README.Debian for last minute instruction |
| 19:54.08 | rpc | Wyzard i might be a single step from fixing that box and i don't know what to do now |
| 19:54.35 | jetscreamer | 2.6.20 detects my pata as scsi and assigns sda instead of hda, and so / is never found |
| 19:54.47 | wols | jetscreamer: which is normal |
| 19:54.48 | jetscreamer | the stock image |
| 19:54.57 | xoz | !info etch php |
| 19:55.01 | rpc | Reading boot sector from /dev/sda |
| 19:55.01 | rpc | Fatal: Trying to map files from unnamed device 0x0010 (NFS/RAID mirror down ?) |
| 19:55.01 | jetscreamer | but, therefore the box doesn't boot |
| 19:55.09 | wols | what "stock image"ß considering 2.6.20 is not in debian? |
| 19:55.14 | Wyzard | rpc: Find someone who knows more about lilo, I guess, or consider switching to grub |
| 19:55.18 | jetscreamer | i apt-get installed it |
| 19:55.19 | xoz | !info php etch |
| 19:55.24 | rpc | Wyzard do you think that i could install grub now? |
| 19:55.28 | wols | jetscreamer: yes, but you're a good little boy and still have the old kernel? |
| 19:55.35 | xoz | !info php4 etch |
| 19:55.39 | rpc | Wyzard just remove lilo and install grub in there |
| 19:55.42 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 6:4.4.4-8+etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 19:55.46 | concept10 | jetscreamer, hay, I was wondering if you ever heard someone installing linux on the older wired versions (i.e. the BEFSR41) .. i just busted it open and it has a ARM processor so im looking for info |
| 19:55.49 | jetscreamer | wols: it's in sid |
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| 19:55.57 | Wyzard | rpc: yeah, you could, though you'll need to configure it too |
| 19:56.02 | wols | concept10: can't work |
| 19:56.03 | rpc | Wyzard i assume that lilo is screwed on that box probably anyway |
| 19:56.11 | jetscreamer | concept10: no idea i haven't even done the openwrt firmare thing yet |
| 19:56.14 | wols | concept10: you can't fit debian in 4MB flash... |
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| 19:56.30 | rpc | Wyzard will configuring take just editing the config file or using grub's shell? |
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| 19:56.44 | concept10 | wols, sure you can |
| 19:57.04 | rpc | Wyzard apt-get remove lilo... wise or crazy? |
| 19:57.05 | wols | then tell me how |
| 19:57.14 | wols | just fyi: a debian kernel is usually >4 MB... |
| 19:57.14 | jetscreamer | !info linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7 |
| 19:57.20 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.20-1-k7: (Linux 2.6.20 image on AMD K7), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.20-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17297 kB, Installed size: 53016 kB |
| 19:57.25 | rpc | Wyzard or will i screw the box forever that way? |
| 19:57.33 | wols | rpc: crazy. apt-get install grub <- wise |
| 19:57.34 | jetscreamer | so it's my fault that kernel is borked eh |
| 19:57.39 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 19:57.45 | wols | jetscreamer: yes it is. you run sid |
| 19:57.55 | wols | those are the breaks: when it breaks, it's ALWAYS your fault |
| 19:57.56 | rpc | wols so can i just apt-get install grub if lilo is still there? |
| 19:58.01 | Wyzard | rpc: Install grub first, and once you've successfully configured it and installed its bootloader, then remove lilo |
| 19:58.01 | wols | rpc: yes |
| 19:58.01 | jetscreamer | wols: so it's my fault the kernel maintainer fucked up? |
| 19:58.08 | jetscreamer | i'm sorry |
| 19:58.13 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: thanks for your recommendation. I had to put an explicit umount /mnt/iso at the beginning of do_stop ... nothing else I tried worked! Perhaps it just needs a second after umounting the loopback device in order to be able to umount the partition? Weird :P |
| 19:58.13 | jetscreamer | i'm not worthy |
| 19:58.16 | wols | jetscreamer: you run sid. you are the fuckup. period |
| 19:58.17 | rpc | Wyzard, wols: ok, trying |
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| 19:58.27 | wols | btw: i run sid too. but I don't whine when it breaks to #debian |
| 19:58.28 | jetscreamer | wols: wtf dude |
| 19:58.33 | rpc | Wyzard it installed fine... took 5 seconds... |
| 19:58.42 | jetscreamer | i missed the whining part... |
| 19:58.48 | jetscreamer | i stated a fact. |
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| 19:58.53 | wols | jetscreamer: everybody inhere tells you: you run sid, you exepect breakage. so don#t whine about it, deal with it |
| 19:58.54 | jetscreamer | you're mistaken |
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| 19:58.59 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: I don't think that's a kernel-maintainer issue... as I understand it, IDE drivers are being ported to use libata because it's newer and more powerful than the legacy IDE subsystem, and libata goes through the SCSI subsystem |
| 19:58.59 | rpc | Wyzard: Setting up grub (0.95+cvs20040624-17sarge1) ... |
| 19:59.17 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: Your PATA drive shows up as SCSI now for much the same reason that most SATA drives do |
| 19:59.18 | concept10 | wols, you may install linux, busybox and x in 2MB |
| 19:59.22 | rpc | Wyzard can i just chroot back to my debian now and config grub and hopew it will be fine after? |
| 19:59.29 | wols | concept10: debian != linux |
| 19:59.36 | Wyzard | rpc: oh, lol... you're installing grub in the recovery system |
| 19:59.38 | coldsteal | how do i make a debian pkg that has all the dependcies |
| 19:59.43 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: my compile of it works, 2.6.18 debian image works, i was just mentioning that the linux-image-2.6.20 is/was borked |
| 19:59.45 | wols | or rather. debian != linux+busybox+x |
| 19:59.46 | Wyzard | rpc: chroot before you install it :-) |
| 19:59.47 | rpc | Wyzard lol |
| 19:59.50 | wols | and I doubt you can fit x in 2MB |
| 19:59.51 | rpc | rofl... |
| 20:00.17 | concept10 | wols, i disagree |
| 20:00.25 | markybob | jetscreamer: report the bug on debian's bts. i'm still the only one with a bug for that package so far :) |
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| 20:00.32 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: My guess would be, the old IDE-based driver for your hardware is still around, and there's also a new libata-based driver in 2.6.20 |
| 20:00.33 | rpc | Wyzard i just did.. still not /boot/grub dir |
| 20:00.37 | concept10 | wols, quick question, where did busybox originate? |
| 20:00.41 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: and your custom kernel probably omitted the libata-based driver |
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| 20:00.50 | jetscreamer | yes it's some ata driver thing, i saw it in menuconfig |
| 20:00.58 | rpc | still no* |
| 20:01.04 | wols | concept10: debian is more than a mini kernel, a busybox and x (which you CANNOT fit in 2MB flash, period) |
| 20:01.09 | coldsteal | anyone? |
| 20:01.09 | Nosferatu | bueller? |
| 20:01.09 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: My recommendation would be to use the libata-based driver and just switch to the new drive names |
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| 20:01.15 | coldsteal | how do i make a debian pkg that has all the dependcies |
| 20:01.32 | Wyzard | rpc: yeah, that doesn't get created automatically, but that's OK |
| 20:01.43 | rpc | Wyzard huh... sounds good.. |
| 20:01.43 | concept10 | wolffc, answer question |
| 20:01.45 | wols | rpc: update-grub |
| 20:01.46 | wols | try it |
| 20:01.52 | concept10 | sorry wolffc |
| 20:01.56 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: so just change fstab, basically, eh? |
| 20:02.03 | concept10 | wols, answer my question? |
| 20:02.05 | Wyzard | wols: Will that work without a menu.lst existing yet? |
| 20:02.08 | rpc | Wyzard it told me no dir found and to try grub-install |
| 20:02.13 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: fstab and GRUB configuration, yeah |
| 20:02.19 | wols | concept10: I don#t care if it originated with debian or not. it stills doens#t make a kernel image and busybox debian. it never will be perido |
| 20:02.31 | rpc | Wyzard i created the /boot/grub too |
| 20:02.37 | jetscreamer | rpc: easiest way might be from grubshell |
| 20:02.41 | wols | so NO, it's never ever possible to install debian in 2MB flash. |
| 20:02.52 | Wyzard | rpc: cp /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst /boot/grub |
| 20:02.56 | wols | rpc: mkdir it |
| 20:03.04 | Wyzard | rpc: actually, no, nevermind that |
| 20:03.05 | rpc | wols just did |
| 20:03.06 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 20:03.19 | rpc | Wyzard is it fine to try: grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| 20:03.20 | concept10 | wols, why are you arguing what debian consists of anyway? |
| 20:03.25 | rpc | or wols, same question :) |
| 20:03.31 | Wyzard | Does anyone know offhand how to generate Debian's GRUB menu.lst, which the special comment stuff for update-grub, on a system that didn't use grub initially? |
| 20:03.36 | rpc | or shell option as jetscreamer suggested? |
| 20:03.36 | wols | concept10: because debian has defined relases |
| 20:03.38 | xoz | wols: check http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9351965662.html |
| 20:03.38 | drwahl | wait.... 2.6.20.7 is stable? i thoguht 20 was testing |
| 20:03.45 | wols | !tell concept10 about based on debian |
| 20:03.49 | jetscreamer | you know why i don't file a lot of bugs? .reportbug.conf :/ |
| 20:03.52 | Wyzard | rpc: Give it a try, but I'm not sure if it'll work without a menu.lst config file |
| 20:03.55 | jetscreamer | or whateverit is |
| 20:04.06 | wols | if it were what you say, all those based on debian distros would be debian too. but they aren't |
| 20:04.10 | Wyzard | drwahl: It's stable upstream, at kernel.org |
| 20:04.12 | concept10 | wols, how do you know what i am running? |
| 20:04.18 | rpc | hm /dev/sda: Not found or not a block device. |
| 20:04.32 | drwahl | Wyzard: that is what i am noticing... i guess that one slipped by me :) |
| 20:04.36 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 20:04.37 | rpc | or does it want a boot partition there? |
| 20:04.41 | wols | concept10: I don't give a fuck what you run. but I do know you don't run debian on that router unless your nfsmount /. And if you do that you're atupid |
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| 20:04.49 | markybob | drwahl: depends what you mean by stable. there's been some regression on MCP51 |
| 20:04.52 | jetscreamer | i wonder if it's related to the other ide borkage |
| 20:04.59 | Wyzard | rpc: hmm, that could explain your lilo problem, but it also doesn't make much sense |
| 20:05.10 | Wyzard | rpc: In your chroot, does /dev/sda actually exist? |
| 20:05.14 | coldsteal | hello can someone help me |
| 20:05.32 | rpc | Wyzard yes, all of them... sda2,3,4 |
| 20:05.40 | coldsteal | how can i make a debian pkg that has all the dependencies |
| 20:05.43 | Wyzard | rpc: including "sda" itself? |
| 20:05.46 | wols | concept10: your best bet is to check if openwrt or similar runs on your BEFR consumer crap. my guess is no. cause afaik the smallest openwrt one uses 4MB flash |
| 20:05.46 | drwahl | markybob: i only understood about half of that :) what is MCP51? |
| 20:05.52 | wols | and that is even a "tiny" version |
| 20:05.53 | concept10 | wols, You made my point yourself. You dont give a fuck what I am running, dont know what im running, and it shouldnt concern you what im running so why bother me telling me what the fuck is debian? |
| 20:05.58 | drwahl | what kernle does lenny ship with? |
| 20:06.09 | rpc | Wyzard nope, /dev/sda is the physical device, not a partition |
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| 20:06.23 | wols | concept10: cause debian has a definition. which means you can't run it on the POS. which is what you asked |
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| 20:06.29 | rpc | Wyzard perhaps grub wants the partition instead? |
| 20:06.32 | concept10 | heh |
| 20:06.38 | Sebboh | wols: I heard about something called dd-wrt.. that might run on smaller flash sizes. But I haven't looked into it yet. |
| 20:06.44 | jetscreamer | HEY! with both this new 2.6.20 bork, and also the http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/index#errata 'Disk devices may change on reboot' bork, a self-compiled kernel fixes both. so... |
| 20:06.44 | coldsteal | drwahl: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:06.45 | wols | so if you don't want answers to your public questions: STFU in the first place :) |
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| 20:07.12 | concept10 | wols, thanks for the entertainment/info :) |
| 20:07.19 | Wyzard | rpc: I believe grub-install wants the raw device where you want the bootloader to go -- it looks at where /boot is mounted to figure out the sda1 part |
| 20:07.19 | jetscreamer | udev does the hw detection or what? there is the culprit? |
| 20:07.23 | wols | Sebboh: 4MB. the tiny version yes. the original WRT54g had 8MB flash iirc. then halved it and then all dd-wrt ones stoped workuing until the tiny version came along |
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| 20:07.31 | rpc | Wyzard hm... |
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| 20:07.42 | borgy | how can i add my user to multiple groups at once? |
| 20:07.48 | Wyzard | rpc: but /dev/sda being "not found or not a block device" makes no sense regardless, because sda definitely is a block device, and ought to exist |
| 20:07.49 | xoz | jetscreamer: udev does the hw detection |
| 20:07.57 | wols | Sebboh: I was mistaken. it runs in 2MB |
| 20:08.06 | rpc | Wyzard hrhm... |
| 20:08.07 | jetscreamer | so my antipathy to udev may be justified |
| 20:08.09 | wols | still: it doesn't run on the old BEFR series. but only WRT54 |
| 20:08.15 | orangey | hey all! |
| 20:08.20 | orangey | I just upgraded from sarge to etch. |
| 20:08.23 | wols | jetscreamer: it si. great ide, crap execution :) |
| 20:08.24 | Wyzard | rpc: You said that /dev/sda does exist, right? Not just the partitions like /dev/sda1, but /dev/sda itself, exists in your /dev directory in your chroot? |
| 20:08.25 | rpc | i'm really confused now |
| 20:08.28 | Sebboh | wols, neat. I've got a 2mb POS right here.. But, I just bought it, so, I might just return it. |
| 20:08.30 | orangey | however, there seems to be a problem with my libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 20:08.32 | wols | maybe it matures tho. there is still hope |
| 20:08.35 | orangey | when i try to reinstall it, I get: |
| 20:08.36 | orangey | http://pastebin.ca/451743 |
| 20:08.36 | markybob | jetscreamer: if you really wanna know what's causing things, you could use git bisect to find out exactly which kernel commit changed things to not work on your system |
| 20:09.00 | rpc | Wyzard i just checked /dev... sda is not there |
| 20:09.21 | rpc | Wyzard but /dev/sda2 is mounted... |
| 20:09.27 | rpc | wtf damn it :) |
| 20:09.35 | jetscreamer | blacklist the scsi maybe |
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| 20:09.38 | wols | orangey: is any packaging program still running? dpkg, or apt-get or aptitude? |
| 20:09.52 | tola | sorry but I'm still having problems with PHP and I can't fix it. I've never had to configure php before other than a couple of settings in php.ini - I've spent the whole day upgrading to etch and I'm pissed off that it's broken PHP for me. What can I do next? |
| 20:09.55 | wols | jetscreamer: it is no scsi |
| 20:09.56 | pumpkin0 | rpc: check /proc/mounts |
| 20:10.00 | rpc | Wyzard perhaps i should reboot the box.. something is wrong as i could fdisk -l before and now i can't do that |
| 20:10.01 | Wyzard | rpc: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV sda |
| 20:10.09 | rpc | Wyzard is it safe to create that node? |
| 20:10.13 | wols | tola: I told you waht to do. do it please |
| 20:10.16 | Wyzard | rpc: yes, it's fine |
| 20:10.24 | jetscreamer | yeah i know... but here on my box, it's usuing the scsi / sg / sda |
| 20:10.30 | Wyzard | rpc: Device nodes are just special files; creating and removing them doesn't affect the data on the disk itself |
| 20:10.38 | orangey | wols: nope. |
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| 20:10.46 | wols | jetscreamer: just cause it's named sda doesn't mean it's really using the full scsi subtree of drivers. |
| 20:10.47 | rpc | ./# ./MAKEDEV sda |
| 20:10.47 | rpc | .udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 20:10.48 | jetscreamer | when i scroll up, shift+pgup, while it's waiting on root fs |
| 20:10.50 | tola | wols: what pastebin are you talking about because I've in #pastebin and you're not there |
| 20:11.07 | xand | pastebin isn't a channel |
| 20:11.10 | rpc | Wyzard i read you and learned something again but still i got that error this time |
| 20:11.10 | jetscreamer | and i see that new ata module/driver thing also |
| 20:11.12 | xand | it's a website |
| 20:11.15 | wols | jetscreamer: and since sooner or later pata will go away in favour of integration into libata, I'd say take the plunge and convert your fstab |
| 20:11.19 | pumpkin0 | rpc check /proc/mounts. Im serious. |
| 20:11.26 | wols | !tell tola about paster |
| 20:11.33 | xoz | orangey: are you root during install? |
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| 20:11.33 | rpc | pumpkin0 hm |
| 20:11.39 | wols | xoz: he is. |
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| 20:11.57 | tola | thank you wols |
| 20:12.00 | rpc | pumpkin0 hrhm... |
| 20:12.01 | xjkx | how can i open gnome in the other place? like on f7 i have flux and gnome on f8, like --display 2 but isnt working ! |
| 20:12.03 | Wyzard | ok, that's a little surprising since udev shouldn't be running in the chroot, but whatever |
| 20:12.11 | xoz | orangey: try dpkg -i |
| 20:12.19 | Wyzard | rpc: Exit the chroot and check whether /dev/sda exists there |
| 20:12.25 | pumpkin0 | jetscreamer: newer boards do not have any bootable pata-devices anymore. the pata-ports are connected via USB-pata converters. |
| 20:12.45 | jetscreamer | pumpkin0: that puts it into perspective then i think |
| 20:12.47 | rpc | Wyzard, pumpkin0 i see some stuff in /proc/mounts... e.g. nfs mount |
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| 20:12.51 | Wyzard | pumpkin0: Who would put a PATA controller on USB? |
| 20:13.00 | pumpkin0 | Wyzard: msi, asus,... |
| 20:13.02 | rpc | unionfs |
| 20:13.06 | jetscreamer | i think he means on the motherboard |
| 20:13.12 | tola | wols: http://paste.debian.net/26190 |
| 20:13.13 | jetscreamer | s/on/in/ |
| 20:13.13 | tdn | How do I get a second monitor to work on my IBM Thinkpad? It is a projector. How do I enable it? Please help! |
| 20:13.15 | wols | Wyzard: the jmicron shite everyone uses |
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| 20:13.34 | pumpkin0 | Wyzard: the new intel-chipset does not have PATA, period. the easy way out is USB. |
| 20:13.35 | rpc | Wyzard and yes, sda exists outside chroot |
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| 20:13.42 | orangey | xoz: Yes, I am root during install. dpkg -i works as expected. |
| 20:13.43 | Wyzard | wols: Why would someone use a USB PATA controller as opposed to a plain PCI one? |
| 20:13.50 | Wyzard | rpc: ok, mount --bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev |
| 20:13.54 | Wyzard | rpc: then chroot again |
| 20:13.58 | orangey | xoz: Wait.. you mean dpkg -i <package>? |
| 20:13.58 | hobophobe | I had a problem with xserver-xorg-core update that caused a dependency problem on my driver (it wants xorg 7.1 but detects xorg 1.3) is there a new versioning going on? |
| 20:13.58 | rpc | doing that... |
| 20:13.59 | mmlj4 | tdn: at the same time? dunno. but most laptops have a special key to toggle LCD and an external monitor |
| 20:13.59 | pumpkin0 | tdn: there are about 40 different thinkpad models. |
| 20:14.14 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: integrated in the mb |
| 20:14.16 | Wyzard | rpc: You're making your chroot environment see the recovery console's /dev instead of its own |
| 20:14.18 | xoz | orangey: yes |
| 20:14.34 | rpc | Wyzard hm right.. makes alot of sense in fact |
| 20:14.35 | xoz | orangey: in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 20:14.46 | pumpkin0 | Wyzard: it's all about money. usb-pata costs less. |
| 20:14.56 | wols | Wyzard: it's cheaper probably |
| 20:14.58 | rpc | Wyzard got sda in /dev/ now (chroot) |
| 20:15.03 | wols | tola: check if /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so exists |
| 20:15.10 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: I don't mean a PCI card in a slot, I mean a PCI device built into the motherboard, just like integrated SATA controllers and NICs and USB controllers and just about everything else |
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| 20:15.24 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, try grub-install again |
| 20:15.30 | wols | Wyzard: and, it doesn't use up a precious pci line while boards have tons of USB ports |
| 20:15.35 | pumpkin0 | tdn: and all models are documented at thinkwiki.com. most of them with configs for dualhead. |
| 20:15.41 | rpc | # grub-install /dev/sda |
| 20:15.41 | rpc | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 20:15.41 | tdn | pumpkin0, this is a T42. But why should this be important? Isn't there a generic method for enabling a second display? |
| 20:15.44 | rpc | ... |
| 20:15.45 | orangey | xoz: The file is not there. |
| 20:15.51 | Wyzard | wols: I guess... but that'd be a huge bottleneck |
| 20:15.53 | tola | wols: it does |
| 20:16.06 | xoz | orangey: then use aptitude install or apt-get instal |
| 20:16.09 | Wyzard | wols: Even USB2 isn't all that fast, due to overhead |
| 20:16.12 | pumpkin0 | tdn: thre are about 60 different gfx-cards... and everyone may have a different way. |
| 20:16.13 | jetscreamer | *most* users don't have >1 hd |
| 20:16.27 | wols | tola: then I don't know. purge apache and php, make sure /etc/apache2/ is empty then reinstall it |
| 20:16.32 | wols | save your virtual hsots of course first |
| 20:16.34 | rpc | Wyzard oh wow! i tried lilo -v.... it WORKED now... |
| 20:16.35 | xoz | orangey: apt-get install --reinstall <package> |
| 20:16.40 | wols | that's the only thing I can think of |
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| 20:16.49 | Wyzard | rpc: oh, ok |
| 20:16.50 | rpc | Wyzard just thought i could try it once we had mounted the /dev stuff |
| 20:16.52 | pumpkin0 | wols: don't miss the confmiss-option... |
| 20:17.01 | orangey | xoz: OK, it looks like the problem had to do with me having used the php5 packages from dotdeb in the past |
| 20:17.02 | wols | pumpkin0: after purge, no need :) |
| 20:17.03 | rpc | WyzardMapping RAM disk /boot/initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 20:17.03 | rpc | Added Standardkernel * |
| 20:17.03 | orangey | .. |
| 20:17.05 | tola | wols: ok thanks for the help. I don't know how to do that but I'm going to have a break, I've been doing this all day and I'm getting irritable. |
| 20:17.12 | orangey | xoz: I apologize for not picking up on that earlier. |
| 20:17.17 | Wyzard | rpc: I thought about suggesting that, but didn't think it'd make a difference since you tried lilo outside the chroot and it didn't work there either |
| 20:17.21 | tola | I'm never ever ever ever doing a dist-upgrade in debian again |
| 20:17.30 | Wyzard | rpc: remove grub and try booting, I guess :-) |
| 20:17.33 | xoz | orangey: ok |
| 20:17.33 | rpc | Wyzard for some crazy reason lilo worked now |
| 20:17.38 | wols | orangey: the locking business shouldn't have anything to do with it |
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| 20:18.02 | rpc | Wyzard it said it wrote the bootsector too... just worked fine this time |
| 20:18.02 | xoz | tola: it's fun |
| 20:18.05 | orangey | wols: Well, the locking business resolved after I did "aptitude remove libapache2-mod-php5" |
| 20:18.08 | Wyzard | rpc: cool |
| 20:18.09 | wols | tola: what did you run before dist.upgrading? any backports? |
| 20:18.09 | orangey | I did nothing else. |
| 20:18.17 | tola | wols: nah |
| 20:18.19 | rpc | Wyzard do you think i'm ready to boot? |
| 20:18.23 | tola | wols: just sarge packages |
| 20:18.29 | Wyzard | rpc: most likely, yes |
| 20:18.35 | wols | tola: then it shouldn't matter |
| 20:18.37 | rpc | Wyzard oh wow... |
| 20:18.49 | rpc | Wyzard i'm checking /boot and /etc/lilo.conf once again to be sure it's ok |
| 20:18.49 | wols | and fyi: debian is about the OS OS/distro in existence for upgrades |
| 20:18.58 | xoz | tola: and you read the release notes of etch? |
| 20:19.01 | wols | think of the rbigt side: you could have upgraded XP to Vista :) |
| 20:19.05 | tola | xoz: word by wor |
| 20:19.09 | tola | *word by word |
| 20:19.20 | wols | xoz: apache+php is so bread and butter it shouldn't break... |
| 20:19.24 | tdn | mmlj4, I have tried pressing Fn+F7. It does nothing. |
| 20:19.27 | rpc | Wyzard it looks very good.. are we really DONE? |
| 20:19.43 | wols | rpc: I'd say yes |
| 20:19.45 | tdn | pumpkin0, isnt there some tool that can autodetect some of it? |
| 20:19.55 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: btw, I use LVM for everything these days, so changes of device names don't break things -- at worst /boot might fail to mount at startup, but that's harmless and easily fixed |
| 20:19.59 | Wyzard | rpc: yep, looks like it |
| 20:20.00 | rpc | wols, Wyzard: trying reboot... i'm scared. |
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| 20:20.08 | tola | once I'd done the upgrade the php4 module wasn't even enabled and the package had been removed |
| 20:20.10 | xoz | tola: tried pasting the error in google? |
| 20:20.21 | tola | xoz: which error? |
| 20:20.26 | wols | tola: if it has, then I doN#t think it was sarge imho |
| 20:20.30 | tola | xoz: I don't have a useful error |
| 20:20.35 | wols | tola: if I were you I'd try php5 anyways |
| 20:20.38 | xoz | tola: whatever is the output when you view it |
| 20:20.41 | pumpkin0 | tdn: if you don't even know your own hardware, how should i guess it ? Did you look at thinkwiki.org ? |
| 20:20.47 | wols | especially now with your problems. remove php5 and install php5 |
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| 20:21.00 | tola | wols: it's not as simple as just turning on php5, I have a lot of applications which run on php4 |
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| 20:21.07 | rpc | YESSSSS |
| 20:21.11 | rpc | got the ping reply... |
| 20:21.15 | Wyzard | cool |
| 20:21.21 | rpc | Wyzard i owe you big time... |
| 20:21.22 | wols | ah, remote :) |
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| 20:21.29 | rpc | wols exactly.. |
| 20:21.43 | Wyzard | rpc: Now you know not to install unsupported kernels anymore, and especially not to ignore error messages when installing new kernels :-) |
| 20:21.45 | rpc | wols i screwed a remote box big time today and Wyzard helped me alot |
| 20:21.53 | rpc | i would NEVER do this myself |
| 20:22.03 | rpc | Wyzard oh wait |
| 20:22.08 | pumpkin0 | tdn: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T42 => 3 different cards and 2 possible drivers. |
| 20:22.15 | tdn | pumpkin0, I did look at thinkwiki. I know my hardware. What do you want to know? I have ATI graphichs card. |
| 20:22.20 | rpc | Wyzard what i had was kernel 2.6.20-3 and i did apt-get upgrade.. that's exactly what broke my box |
| 20:22.22 | Wyzard | rpc: and you know how to correctly mount a system from a recovery boot, too |
| 20:22.24 | wols | tdn: lspci -v |
| 20:22.28 | tdn | pumpkin0, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 20:22.32 | tdn | wols, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 20:22.34 | rpc | Wyzard i learned TONS today |
| 20:22.41 | rpc | Wyzard i'm even happy that all this shit happened |
| 20:22.43 | pumpkin0 | tdn: OK, fglrx driver or ati driver ? |
| 20:22.47 | wols | tdn: ati or fglrx. or if you must: vesa |
| 20:22.48 | Wyzard | rpc: You removed that unofficial line from your sources.list, right? |
| 20:22.52 | tdn | pumpkin0, flglrx! |
| 20:23.02 | rpc | Wyzard but still.. if i didn't meet you here it would never work... i do owe you |
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| 20:23.12 | rpc | Wyzard i will kill that line in a sec |
| 20:23.18 | Wyzard | rpc: Since you hadn't updated etch in a while, now would be a good time to do a dist-upgrade to upgrade to the final stable versions of everything |
| 20:23.20 | tola | wols: there is one thing that could have caused the problem. In sources.list I had main instead of sarge. I did an apt-get upgrade which got a load of etch packages, then I realised what it was doing and followed the etch release notes properly |
| 20:23.30 | Wyzard | rpc: after checking that there's nothing in your sources.list except official stable stuff |
| 20:23.37 | rpc | Linux mindstorm 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 |
| 20:23.42 | rpc | just got in... WORKS SWEET :) |
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| 20:23.47 | rpc | we did the impossible lol |
| 20:23.54 | rpc | fixed a non-booting remote box lol |
| 20:23.54 | pumpkin0 | tdn connect the 2. monitor/projector and run "aticonfig --query-monitor". |
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| 20:24.07 | Wyzard | rpc: nah, not impossible... I've done more complex stuff than that :-) |
| 20:24.14 | orangey | sweet lord. |
| 20:24.25 | rpc | Wyzard it was the first time i was using a recovery console... |
| 20:24.42 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 20:24.49 | Wyzard | and it's stuff like this that helps you become an expert |
| 20:24.50 | rpc | and i'm not sure that anyone tried this before in the way we did it... it is meant to be used for just reinstalling the system lol |
| 20:25.01 | tdn | pumpkin0, trying. |
| 20:25.16 | orangey | I'm getting errors on everything PHP in the site.. |
| 20:25.18 | rpc | Wyzard now i feel really proud.. i don't need to worry about breaking stuff anymore and shake when i recompile kernel etc. |
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| 20:25.18 | Wyzard | If it were a local system I'd have told you to use a liveCD (such as Ubuntu's) for the same purpose, to mount your hard drive and fix stuff |
| 20:25.23 | orangey | what does it mean when a package is "c"? |
| 20:25.27 | orangey | i.e., c php5-apc - apc module for php5 |
| 20:25.27 | tdn | pumpkin0, it says: Connected monitors: crt1, lvds; Enabled monitors: lvds |
| 20:25.32 | tdn | pumpkin0, then what? |
| 20:25.33 | rpc | Wyzard hm yes |
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| 20:25.48 | tdn | pumpkin0, still nothing on the screen. |
| 20:25.50 | pumpkin0 | tdn: aticonfig --enable-monitor=lvds,crt1 |
| 20:25.54 | rpc | Wyzard in fact whole thing seems simple now but you need to know about this /dev mount etc... really hard to figure out |
| 20:26.08 | rpc | Wyzard remember the wicked error in lilo before? about raid |
| 20:26.18 | rpc | who would figure it was because of the missing /dev ? |
| 20:26.21 | Wyzard | rpc: yeah, I dunno why lilo was doing that |
| 20:26.28 | rpc | crazyness :) |
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| 20:26.39 | rpc | argh it really is up, i'm so happy |
| 20:26.51 | Wyzard | rpc: You still have the issue of your static /dev not having an "sda" node, and you might want to fix that at some point, but it shouldn't cause problems in normal usage |
| 20:26.57 | rpc | Wyzard trust me, if i had enough money i would just paypal a sum for you now |
| 20:27.01 | rpc | one day i might :) |
| 20:27.03 | Wyzard | rpc: since you're using udev and /dev is dynamic, based on hardware detection |
| 20:27.05 | tola | I think I have two separate problems. One is that apache is returning application/x-httpd-php files instead of text/html and mysql and php aren't working together |
| 20:27.06 | tdn | pumpkin0, now theres a picture! But the resolution does not match. I think the projektor shows 800x600 and my monitor is 1400x1050. |
| 20:27.14 | Acu | I am trying to install CINELERRA in debian etch - so far nothing worked - I tried to compile the cinelerra cvs and I get can't create i686/soundtest.0: no such file or directory - anyone can help ? |
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| 20:27.21 | tdn | pumpkin0, do projectors only have *one* resolution like TFTs? |
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| 20:27.27 | karim | hi |
| 20:27.28 | rpc | Wyzard let me look at the /dev now |
| 20:27.29 | pumpkin0 | tdn: yes. |
| 20:27.35 | karim | what is the runelevel of the single mode ? |
| 20:27.36 | Wyzard | rpc: and your static /dev (which lacks "sda") is on /dev/.static/dev |
| 20:27.43 | rpc | oh lol nice.. |
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| 20:27.52 | tdn | pumpkin0, ok. |
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| 20:28.02 | wols | Acu: paste the output from the beginning |
| 20:28.06 | xoz | karim: 1 |
| 20:28.17 | tdn | pumpkin0, thanks a lot. I am åplaying with this. :) |
| 20:28.20 | xoz | karim: or init S |
| 20:28.24 | pumpkin0 | tdn: so set the laptop to 800x600 for presentions. |
| 20:28.30 | karim | xoz, you sure ? |
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| 20:28.33 | xLoader | hi, I have some problem with wireless connection at debian linux, how can I solve this problem |
| 20:28.41 | tola | aha, when I try to start mysql I get "error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)'" |
| 20:28.46 | Wyzard | rpc: Check that /dev/.static/dev is missing "sda", and mknod /dev/.static/dev/sda b 8 0 |
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| 20:28.55 | \amethyst | Acu: Have you tried the (unofficial) debian packages: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#apt-x86 |
| 20:28.59 | xoz | karim: oh im just thinking random thoughts |
| 20:29.02 | pumpkin0 | tdn: and read thinkwiki (i don't know shit about fglrx, i was just reading this: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx#Display_Switching_.28Dynamic_Display_Management.29 ) |
| 20:29.04 | Wyzard | rpc: chmod it to 660 and chown it to root:disk |
| 20:29.06 | rpc | Wyzard that's beyond my imagination.. i can only blindly follow you now.. |
| 20:29.09 | maddash | xLoader: "problem"? |
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| 20:29.25 | Wyzard | rpc: Do you know what udev does? |
| 20:29.29 | chafe | why do i get stuck here every time when doing apt-get update --fix-missing |
| 20:29.30 | chafe | 99% [Sources gzip 0] |
| 20:29.35 | karim | xoz, I want to log and do a backup from remote with ssh, but I think runlevel 1 cuts the ssh connection |
| 20:29.36 | xLoader | the debian could not see the interface |
| 20:29.42 | karim | I need to remount read only |
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| 20:29.44 | rpc | Wyzard in fact there is no sda... |
| 20:29.50 | xoz | karim: yes. it should |
| 20:29.57 | tola | it looks like the etch upgrade removed mysql as well as php! |
| 20:30.07 | rpc | Wyzard and you sure it won't make things worse if i follow your guide? |
| 20:30.10 | xLoader | maddash: the debian could not see the interface |
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| 20:30.19 | sudo_maddash | ls |
| 20:30.24 | sudo_maddash | tar xzf * |
| 20:30.26 | rpc | Wyzard i don't get it at all, i trust you though |
| 20:30.30 | karim | xoz, it should what ? |
| 20:30.38 | Wyzard | rpc: It shouldn't make any difference at all, really -- the stuff in /dev/.static/dev doesn't get used |
| 20:30.38 | Enverex | Is there any way to get a system-beep in Gnome WITHOUT using ESD? (I mean through the soundcard, not PC speaker, it's driving me mad) |
| 20:31.54 | xoz | karim: single means not network. only terminal |
| 20:31.54 | maddash | sudo_maddash: bug off |
| 20:31.54 | Wyzard | rpc: but it'd help if you found yourself in a recovery situation again |
| 20:31.54 | rpc | Wyzard would you mind telling me what exactly are we fixing that way? |
| 20:31.54 | rpc | i'm too excited to use the brain anymore today |
| 20:31.54 | sudo_maddash | xloader: grep -i [name of your interface] /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:31.55 | Wyzard | rpc: On your hard drive there's a /dev which is supposed to contain a full complement of device files for everything under the sun, including lots of hardware you don't have |
| 20:31.55 | rpc | i really thought i would never get that box to boot anymore.. |
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| 20:31.56 | karim | xoz, can I remount / as readonly other than in single user ? |
| 20:31.56 | rpc | Wyzard hm yes that i understand but why on earth is the sda missing if that's the vital part of my system? |
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| 20:32.14 | Wyzard | rpc: On a system using udev -- which is any current Debian system -- udev creates its own /dev as a tmpfs in memory, and populates it with device nodes for just the hardware you actually have, based on hardware detection |
| 20:32.18 | xoz | karim: try mount -o remount,rw / |
| 20:32.19 | \amethyst | Enverex: any program capable of playing sounds should do it. If your sound card supports only a single channel of output, then you'll need some kind of mixer (ESD or alsa dmix) |
| 20:32.26 | Wyzard | rpc: and udev moves the static /dev, the one on your hard drive, to /dev/.static/dev |
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| 20:32.35 | xoz | karim: s/rw/ro |
| 20:32.43 | Wyzard | rpc: so you'll find that /dev/sda does exist now, because udev created it |
| 20:32.54 | rpc | Wyzard hmm... to tell you something.. when i was doing apt-get upgrade.. there was an udev problem of some kind, i remember now... the whole thing involved was udev and raid stuff |
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| 20:33.10 | Enverex | \amethyst, In the Gnome sound options ESD is turned off, so any app that does a "system beep" does so through the PC speaker. |
| 20:33.26 | maddash | xLoader: what does that command return? |
| 20:33.29 | Wyzard | rpc: but /dev/.static/dev/sda doesn't exist for some reason, though it should -- but it's harmless for normal operation because nothing's looking for that file anyway; everything's using the udev-managed stuff in /dev |
| 20:33.35 | rpc | hm |
| 20:33.36 | scead | hi guys... has anyone figured out the problem with nvidia not being detected by X.org yet? |
| 20:33.49 | rpc | Wyzard but then it might matter in recovery situation |
| 20:33.55 | \amethyst | Enverex: oh, hm. I'm looking at gnome-sound-properties now and it seems you're right |
| 20:34.24 | Wyzard | rpc: exactly -- as you saw, when you're booted from a recovery system and chrooted in, udev isn't running and you see your static /dev, not the udev-managed hardware-detected /dev |
| 20:34.24 | rpc | Wyzard perhaps i wouldn't need to mount that recovery /dev if it existed in "my" system that we chrooted into, right? |
| 20:34.30 | xLoader | no /dev/network/interfaces directory :) |
| 20:34.31 | Wyzard | right |
| 20:34.38 | Enverex | \amethyst, Back in like... 2.14 they said they are moving away from ESD... but Gnome is incapable of sound without it which is retarded |
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| 20:34.47 | maddash | xLoader: maybe you should reread my msg more carefully |
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| 20:34.56 | Wyzard | rpc: Does /dev/.static/dev/.udev exist, btw? |
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| 20:35.07 | rpc | Wyzard checking |
| 20:35.11 | dezent | uhm |
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| 20:35.38 | rpc | Wyzard yes it does |
| 20:35.51 | Wyzard | rpc: OK, that's the cause of the error message you got from MAKEDEV |
| 20:35.51 | scead | so that's a no on the nvidia problem? |
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| 20:35.57 | karim | xoz, it says / busy |
| 20:36.00 | rpc | Wyzard oh. |
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| 20:36.18 | Wyzard | rpc: The .udev directory is only supposed to exist in udev's dynamic /dev, not the static /dev on your hard drive |
| 20:36.33 | xoz | karim: you can add ssh into init 1 if you want. |
| 20:36.33 | Wyzard | rpc: MAKEDEV saw that and thought it was looking at a udev-managed /dev rather than a static one |
| 20:36.41 | rpc | hmm.. |
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| 20:36.50 | Wyzard | rpc: Remove /dev/.static/dev/.udev, and /dev/.static/dev/.static if that exists |
| 20:36.51 | karim | xoz, ok |
| 20:37.11 | rpc | that's absolutely fantastic explanation that will also take me a few mins to get tru lol |
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| 20:37.18 | rpc | but i will do :) |
| 20:37.48 | rpc | Wyzard both exist |
| 20:37.51 | Wyzard | rpc: basically, the existence of /dev/.udev is supposed to be a sign that udev is active, so having it existing in the non-udev-managed directory on your hard drive is wrong |
| 20:37.55 | ooook | anyone interested in discussing primary partitions.... |
| 20:38.06 | Wyzard | rpc: dunno how they got there, but they shouldn't be there, so remove them |
| 20:38.26 | rpc | hm very interesting in fact |
| 20:38.37 | xoz | !tell ooook about ask |
| 20:38.39 | rpc | perhaps it will fix my other probs, like strangly working drives.. |
| 20:38.44 | Wyzard | rpc: Then, "cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV sda" |
| 20:38.51 | rpc | ok doing this now |
| 20:38.54 | orangey | hmmm. |
| 20:38.56 | Wyzard | rpc: You'll get a message that udev is active so it's creating the device in /dev/.static/dev |
| 20:39.03 | Wyzard | rpc: and after that, /dev/.static/dev/sda should exist |
| 20:39.05 | orangey | OK, so it seems that my dotdeb packages are being suppressed, even though I want to go back to them.. |
| 20:39.06 | rpc | let me try now |
| 20:39.11 | ooook | and the tools available to manipulate them (besides testdisk,fdisk,cfdisk) |
| 20:39.16 | orangey | Where could I "unsuppress" them? |
| 20:39.16 | Wyzard | rpc: and you won't run into that missing /dev/sda in a recovery situation in the future |
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| 20:39.57 | ooook | xoz: I don't know enough to structure the question correctly |
| 20:40.02 | tola | wols: you'll be relieved to know I've fixed my problem now. Sorry for being irritable, I've just had a bad experience upgrading. Turns out the problem was that I needed to completely re-install php, mysql and dav_svn and now it's working. No idea why |
| 20:40.27 | rpc | Wyzard:# ./MAKEDEV sda |
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| 20:40.28 | rpc | udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 20:40.30 | Wyzard | ooook: What sort of "manipulation" do you want to do on a partition, aside from creating or removing it with fdisk? |
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| 20:40.34 | Fly-man- | Evening all :) |
| 20:40.42 | Acu | is anyone of you guys have installed Cinelerra (or any program which could add a title to a video and burn it to a DVD) |
| 20:40.44 | Wyzard | rpc: yep, that's the right thing for it to do |
| 20:40.58 | rpc | Wyzard it is exactly as you said... it worked and now i see sda* in /dev... how do you know it all so well? |
| 20:41.09 | ooook | well EVMS destroyed my partiiton table.... |
| 20:41.13 | Fly-man- | can anybody direct me to a manual how to install Apache 2 with different sets of php ? |
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| 20:41.18 | rpc | Wyzard it wasn't a typic chit-chat.. you must have a really good knowledge on this stuff.. |
| 20:41.20 | thefirstdude | hello |
| 20:41.38 | Wyzard | rpc: mostly just experience... I've been running Debian unstable as my main desktop OS for about six years, so I've run into a lot of little issues and learned a lot in the process of resolving them :-) |
| 20:41.42 | rpc | Wyzard i can hardly imagine all this dir structure even.. while you understand how it works :) |
| 20:42.17 | danielss89 | hmm ive just installed a mailsystem... postfix with mysqlsupport courier imap pop3... i can recieve email, but when im trying to send with php i get this error: status=deferred (mail trnasport unavailable) |
| 20:42.27 | Fly-man- | or better, a good way so I can keep my php 4 based sites seperated from my php5 |
| 20:42.27 | rpc | Wyzard you sure that a typical or even experienced debian user would ever get in touch with these things? :) |
| 20:42.28 | ooook | testdisk has found the partition(s)... and I write them to the partition table... but on reboot the structure is gone |
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| 20:42.51 | ooook | gparted and qtparted and fdisk don't recognize the change |
| 20:43.11 | Wyzard | rpc: Most experienced Debian administrators would know this stuff |
| 20:43.13 | rpc | Wyzard the next task for today is apt-get update/upgrade i believe.. and hopefully this time with no errors.. |
| 20:43.13 | ooook | so I think EVMS skewed all sectors on the disk by +1 |
| 20:43.24 | rpc | Wyzard hm yes.. only most experienced ones.. |
| 20:43.33 | tola | Right, I'm going for a beer. Bye all! |
| 20:43.39 | tola | thanks for the help |
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| 20:43.51 | obsethryl | Fly-man-: are you familiar of the <ifdefine> statement in apache? |
| 20:43.58 | danielss89 | hmm ive just installed a mailsystem... postfix with mysqlsupport courier imap pop3... i can recieve email, but when im trying to send with php i get this error: status=deferred (mail trnasport unavailable) |
| 20:44.00 | obsethryl | of/with |
| 20:44.08 | obsethryl | * |
| 20:44.16 | Enverex | \amethyst, So any ideas then? |
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| 20:44.56 | ooook | would someone be kind enough to recommend a chat that focuses on storage issues.... |
| 20:44.57 | xLoader | maddash: I could find right path for interface |
| 20:45.04 | rpc | Wyzard: my apt-get upgrade finished quite early.. |
| 20:45.05 | rpc | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 20:45.05 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.07 | rpc | that's all lol |
| 20:45.17 | Wyzard | rpc: Were you using vserver? |
| 20:45.21 | rpc | so looks like my previous upgrade was successful |
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| 20:45.24 | rpc | well i tried to |
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| 20:45.31 | rpc | never worked for me |
| 20:45.34 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 20:45.43 | rpc | Wyzard i believe i can just remove that package now |
| 20:45.53 | bonez39 | someone sent me a document form, in .mdi format...how would I go about opening and reading and printing such a document in linux |
| 20:45.53 | danielss89 | how do i make it available :P |
| 20:45.59 | xoz | rpc: what about apt-get distupgrade |
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| 20:46.07 | rpc | Wyzard so i assume that my system is pretty up to date now... plus running stable and all nice 2.6.18-4 |
| 20:46.08 | Wyzard | rpc: and you had linux-image-2.6-k7 already, whereas I told you earlier to install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:46.20 | rpc | Wyzard oh that one i had installed way before |
| 20:46.22 | Wyzard | rpc: you should decide whether you want to use -686 or -k7 kernels, and then remove the "other" ones that you don't need |
| 20:46.31 | rpc | i am using 686 now as you told me |
| 20:46.40 | rpc | and i will wipe k7 now |
| 20:46.51 | bonez39 | .mid! |
| 20:46.58 | Wyzard | 686 should work fine, but I do think -k7 is probably more ideal for an AMD64 |
| 20:47.06 | bonez39 | how do I ask dpkg? |
| 20:47.08 | Wyzard | but either will work, and I doubt there's much of a difference |
| 20:47.11 | rpc | hm still wondering.. perhaps you are right |
| 20:47.26 | rpc | i think the same, and i just don't want to break it again |
| 20:47.31 | Wyzard | rpc: As for those other packages that are held-back, you'd do a dist-upgrade at this point |
| 20:47.41 | rpc | i might move to 64-bit debian some day and then i will just use AMD64 kernel |
| 20:47.42 | xoz | bonez39: /msg dpkg help |
| 20:47.49 | rpc | Wyzard hm |
| 20:48.28 | Wyzard | rpc: yeah, I'm running 64-bit and my kernel is 2.6.18-4-amd64 (even though I'm using an Intel processor) |
| 20:48.38 | abrotman | traitor!!!!! |
| 20:48.40 | rpc | Wyzard: Fetched 33.9MB in 7s (4808kB/s) |
| 20:48.44 | rpc | worked very well |
| 20:48.45 | bonez39 | xoz, odd, no help on this question, re .mdi file type |
| 20:48.57 | Wyzard | well, the -em64t kernels are deprecated -- now they just pull in -amd64 |
| 20:48.59 | rpc | Wyzard are you running amd64 kernel on intel? hm |
| 20:49.02 | abrotman | !miedi |
| 20:49.11 | abrotman | !tell bonez39 about midi |
| 20:49.17 | Enverex | rpc, amd64 is just the friendly name for x86_64 |
| 20:49.24 | Wyzard | rpc: "amd64" in this case covers both AMD's and Intel's implementation -- they're compatible |
| 20:49.37 | rpc | Wyzard but to tell you something.. if vmware-server compiles fine on 64bit.. i will swap someday soon |
| 20:49.52 | rpc | and about amd64 had no idea.. thought it was AMD ONLY kernel |
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| 20:50.04 | abrotman | mostly :) |
| 20:50.25 | Wyzard | rpc: VMware does work... but keep in mind 64-bit Debian is a completely separate OS, not an upgrade -- you'll need to do a full reinstall if you want to switch |
| 20:50.52 | rpc | Wyzard i think we have a new problem: vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-vserver-k7 <---it happened after dist-upgrade.. |
| 20:51.03 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 20:51.08 | rpc | and yes, i understand about the switch |
| 20:51.10 | Wyzard | that's OK, you can fix that manually |
| 20:51.21 | Wyzard | It won't break your booting |
| 20:51.22 | rpc | i will probably apt-get remove that shit first :) |
| 20:51.34 | rpc | you sure? just diff symlinks needed? |
| 20:51.34 | xoz | removing it will basically fix it |
| 20:51.35 | Wyzard | Do that, but removing the package won't put the symlink back |
| 20:51.40 | Wyzard | You'll end up with a dangling symlink |
| 20:51.42 | rpc | xoz lol nice |
| 20:51.47 | Wyzard | or maybe it'll delete the symlink, I dunno |
| 20:51.49 | rpc | how about .old? |
| 20:51.54 | rpc | let's try :) |
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| 20:52.09 | rpc | i'm not scared anymore after what we did with recovery console today rofl |
| 20:52.14 | Wyzard | hmm... actually, when you installed that kernel, it probably ran lilo for you, so that's actually the current kernel |
| 20:52.19 | bonez39 | abrotman, , no.... NOT MIDI,......mdi ... report format used with MS Office 2003..... |
| 20:52.24 | Wyzard | so after you put the symlinks back, you'll need to run lilo again |
| 20:52.32 | bonez39 | .mdi |
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| 20:52.39 | bonez39 | not midi |
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| 20:53.13 | dezent | i got etch installed on my sun ultra 10 with latest OBP, i use ide-hd and the disk is hda. i get an error after install when i try to boot my new system "the file just loaded does not appear to be executeable".. does anybody have an idea? |
| 20:53.22 | rpc | # lilo |
| 20:53.22 | rpc | Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz: No such file or directory |
| 20:53.27 | rpc | damn i broke it |
| 20:53.40 | rpc | i will just reinstall 686 one |
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| 20:53.44 | rpc | it should fix it, right? |
| 20:53.57 | abrotman | bonez39: oh .. ask MS ? :) |
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| 20:54.10 | abrotman | or you could just fix lilo |
| 20:54.18 | xoz | just ln -s /boot/<kernel> /vmlinuz |
| 20:54.52 | rpc | hm |
| 20:54.58 | Wyzard | rpc: I'm not sure if reinstalling a kernel package causes it to update the symlinks |
| 20:55.06 | rpc | it won't even reinstall now |
| 20:55.16 | Wyzard | rpc: You could remove it and install it again, or just recreate the symlinks manually |
| 20:55.20 | rpc | i don't want to end up in recovery again on next boot.. let's fix it lol |
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| 20:55.31 | xoz | rpc: stupid lilo. grub should have fixed it. |
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| 20:56.10 | xoz | rpc: the postremoval script should have called grub/lilo script to fix it. |
| 20:56.13 | Wyzard | grub wouldn't have that issue in the first place, because it doesn't use those symlinks |
| 20:56.26 | Wyzard | xoz: grub/lilo don't maintain those symlinks |
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| 20:56.39 | botox | ive just got hold of a geforce 8800, installed drivers debian way, it is all detected fine, but when start x, i get a blank screen, with on signal for monitor |
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| 20:56.52 | botox | ive tried to specify monitor in the x config file, but to no avail |
| 20:56.54 | Wyzard | The kernel package itself updates them when a new kernel is installed, I believe, but I don't think anything automatically "reverts" them when you remove a kernel |
| 20:56.55 | botox | its a crt monitor |
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| 20:57.05 | drwahl | when i do 'ls -l' i get "drwxrwxrwx 5 root users" i know that 'users' own the dir, but what is 'root'? |
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| 20:57.17 | dezent | is debian on sprc dead ? |
| 20:57.18 | xoz | Wyzard: there's a grub-something that updates the menu.lst based on the kernels available... update-grub or i forget |
| 20:57.21 | Enverex | ... did he just ask what root was? |
| 20:57.21 | xoz | forgot |
| 20:57.26 | enyc | botox: havy you tried reconfiguring the xserver for the right freq. etc? |
| 20:57.33 | botox | yes |
| 20:57.35 | botox | i have |
| 20:57.35 | drwahl | i know what root is, but what does it mean there? |
| 20:57.36 | rpc | Wyzard do you think that all i'm missing now is those symlinks? |
| 20:57.42 | Aasgard | drwahl: user/group |
| 20:57.45 | rpc | and that reboot will be succesful? |
| 20:57.47 | Enverex | drwahl, Owned by the user "root" |
| 20:57.56 | enyc | botox: hrrm not sure myself... sorry.. |
| 20:58.02 | botox | k |
| 20:58.06 | \amethyst | drwahl: it means that the file is owned by root. "users" is the group that owns it |
| 20:58.07 | xoz | rpc: fix symlink. run lilo. if no complain, ok. |
| 20:58.07 | Wyzard | xoz: yeah, but it doesn't use the symlinks, it just looks for the real vmlinuz files |
| 20:58.19 | drwahl | ok... so when i did chmod :users it only changed the grou.... that makes sense... |
| 20:58.23 | rpc | xoz hm |
| 20:58.25 | xoz | Wyzard: stand corrected |
| 20:58.29 | \amethyst | drwahl: that's what the colon means |
| 20:58.36 | \amethyst | drwahl: chmod user:group file |
| 20:58.43 | drwahl | \amethyst: thanks |
| 20:59.46 | rpc | do i really need /vmlinuz or is /boot/vmlinuz fine? |
| 21:00.02 | rpc | assuming that my lilo.conf got /boot/vmlinuz set |
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| 21:00.05 | Wyzard | rpc: use /boot/vmlinuz |
| 21:00.10 | rpc | or is /vmlinuz needed for something else too? |
| 21:00.18 | xoz | rpc: /boot/<real kernel version> |
| 21:00.28 | rpc | so i will just wipe that /vmlinuz one |
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| 21:00.52 | Wyzard | rpc: /etc/kernel-img.conf configures whether the symlinks go in / or /boot, but IIRC the default is / so I'm kinda surprised yours are in /boot |
| 21:00.54 | rpc | and now same stuff with initrd i believe |
| 21:01.02 | Wyzard | rpc: but whatever... it's configured for /boot so that's where they go |
| 21:01.05 | rpc | hm |
| 21:01.33 | Edwin | Debian 4.0 brings patch for pptpd into kernel? |
| 21:01.44 | rpc | Wyzard there is nothing about location of those in kernel-mg.conf |
| 21:01.51 | rpc | just says about relativity of them |
| 21:01.58 | xoz | rpc: /boot/<initrd.kernelversion> , just ls /boot to see available initrd |
| 21:02.11 | rpc | xoz hm ok trying that |
| 21:02.25 | Wyzard | rpc: then the default applies... which I thought was /, not /boot, but I could be wrong |
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| 21:02.48 | xoz | rpc: btw, why lilo? grub is way better. |
| 21:03.03 | Wyzard | rpc: Anyway, you've seen them get automatically updated in /boot, and you know lilo is looking in /boot |
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| 21:03.09 | Wyzard | and IMO /boot is the more appropriate place for them anyway |
| 21:03.34 | rpc | right, i would agree |
| 21:04.12 | rpc | both symlinks created.. i will reboot for the fun of it |
| 21:04.37 | Wyzard | run lilo first |
| 21:04.38 | abrotman | for fun ? |
| 21:04.42 | xoz | rpc: have you executed lilo at command line? don't forget. |
| 21:04.43 | rpc | crap |
| 21:04.46 | Wyzard | The symlinks themselves don't control anything |
| 21:04.47 | rpc | didn't run lilo... |
| 21:04.51 | Wyzard | They just tell lilo where to look |
| 21:04.59 | xoz | rpc: GOOD LUCK. |
| 21:05.00 | rpc | back to recovery console lol..... |
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| 21:05.03 | rpc | he he |
| 21:05.07 | Wyzard | That's OK, it might still work |
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| 21:05.17 | xoz | rpc: grub should have no problem about it. |
| 21:05.28 | rpc | hm lilo.conf was fine |
| 21:05.33 | Wyzard | You removed that -k7 kernel but if those disk sectors haven't been overwritten yet, it may actually successfully load and boot the -k7 kernel |
| 21:05.35 | rpc | pointing to the proper stuff |
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| 21:05.53 | rpc | Wyzard i believe they were never overwritten yet |
| 21:05.57 | rpc | let's see, worth the try |
| 21:06.15 | Wyzard | though the kernel won't be able to load any modules beyond the ones on the initrd |
| 21:06.27 | rpc | well box is dead again |
| 21:06.31 | drwahl | any suggestions for file sharing packages? |
| 21:06.42 | rpc | but that's OK - i will master the recovery console... |
| 21:06.48 | chafe | alright so I have a package installed but apt-get does not find the package |
| 21:06.55 | rpc | and Wyzard is around for sometime today too :) |
| 21:06.57 | chafe | and if i want to uninstall it i kinda need for apt-get to know that it is there |
| 21:06.57 | Aasgard | drwahl: share how ? |
| 21:06.58 | rpc | lol |
| 21:07.03 | Wyzard | rpc: mount, chroot, rerun lilo |
| 21:07.09 | rpc | thank you xoz and g'nite |
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| 21:07.13 | drwahl | Aasgard: similar to Limewire/etc |
| 21:07.17 | rpc | Wyzard hm trying |
| 21:07.18 | chafe | why isnt apt-get finding this package that i installed with apt-get? |
| 21:07.18 | danielss89 | how do i send the mails in my mailq |
| 21:07.19 | danielss89 | ? |
| 21:07.27 | Aasgard | drwahl: bittorrent |
| 21:08.15 | Aasgard | drwahl: theres a new dc++ gui for linux id try if ire you.. |
| 21:08.32 | rpc | Wyzard i'm a bit nervous again but this time i at least know that it will work.. |
| 21:08.36 | drwahl | Aasgard: thanks |
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| 21:08.44 | chafe | im using rtorretn but i really hate the learning curve on some of these terminal gui apps |
| 21:08.47 | rpc | Aasgard i would try torrent instead.. |
| 21:08.54 | rpc | if you really need to use p2p.. |
| 21:09.04 | chafe | nicotine+ is really good |
| 21:09.06 | chafe | for p2p |
| 21:09.07 | chafe | seriously |
| 21:09.10 | chafe | well, if you want music |
| 21:09.15 | chafe | soul seek client |
| 21:09.17 | abrotman | gift ? |
| 21:09.21 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella ? |
| 21:09.25 | chafe | no |
| 21:09.25 | drwahl | rpc, i dont NEED p2p, but torrents are not always realiable |
| 21:09.28 | chafe | its not gnutella |
| 21:09.40 | chafe | its a slsk client |
| 21:09.43 | chafe | soulseek |
| 21:09.53 | chafe | music, rare music that you dont normally find on other p2p networks |
| 21:09.56 | abrotman | i wasn't saying what it was .. i was offering other suggestions |
| 21:09.56 | chafe | grouped by albums |
| 21:10.07 | rpc | Wyzard console is up ;) |
| 21:10.36 | orangey | hey all! |
| 21:10.43 | abrotman | bluey? |
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| 21:11.05 | jelly-home | bluey? |
| 21:11.10 | someothermarcus | Hello, I've got a problem while attempting to mount a samba share from my debian server to my workstation (which also is running debian). I manage to mount the remote share using a line in fstab. The share is filled with symbolic links to other directories on the server. When trying to cd into such a directory (link to directory) it tells me "No such file or direcrory." I figured that my workstation thinks of the links as if they |
| 21:11.10 | someothermarcus | where links to directories on his system. Is there anyway to make those links still function as links to what they where intended to point at? |
| 21:11.13 | abrotman | dragon-tails.com :) |
| 21:11.27 | orangey | Does anybody have a suggested place to get a PHP5 APC package for etch? |
| 21:11.29 | Aasgard | http://www.berlios.de is down ? |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | someothermarcus: IIRC .. CIFS doesn't support symlinks |
| 21:12.17 | rpc | aarghhhh |
| 21:12.24 | rpc | Wyzard please tell me that you are still here.. |
| 21:12.27 | ozymandias | i just booted and need to scroll up to see a boot message not recoreded in dmesg. I am on the command line -- is this possible to scroll back? |
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| 21:12.48 | abrotman | rpc: there are others who might be able to help |
| 21:12.50 | jelly-home | someothermarcus: symlinks don't work that way on eg. nfs either |
| 21:12.59 | abrotman | ozymandias: there are a few logs in /var/log/ |
| 21:13.01 | rpc | abrotman right |
| 21:13.08 | Aasgard | someothermarcus: mount --bind /srcdir /destdir |
| 21:13.25 | rpc | abrotman it's just that this problem is very specific and Wyzard was really kind to learn my situation well and he would know at once what to do |
| 21:13.27 | mhall | What's the keyboard shortcuts to change TV channels in xine? |
| 21:13.33 | abrotman | Wyzard: if you've left me again .. i'll .. i'll .. i just don't know what i'll do .. please come back .. tell me you still want to share a channel!!!! |
| 21:13.44 | jelly-home | Aasgard: bind mounts work over samba? |
| 21:13.52 | Wyzard | rpc: I'm around, though not entirely paying attention to IRC |
| 21:14.00 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 21:14.17 | Wyzard | rpc: All you need to do is make that /mnt/debian mountpoint, mount your stuff in it, chroot, and run lilo |
| 21:14.18 | Aasgard | jelly-home, they act as real mounts so they most likely do (95% sure) |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: come on ... it was kind of funny :) |
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| 21:14.22 | rpc | Wyzard i just fixed it... |
| 21:14.37 | rpc | Wyzard so proud to do it all by myself this time ;) |
| 21:14.39 | someothermarcus | Aasgard: how do I add this in the fstab line? |
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| 21:14.48 | rpc | Wyzard i needed to bind /dev and /proc |
| 21:14.48 | Aasgard | add it in rc.local |
| 21:14.56 | rpc | Wyzard or lilo wouldn't work again |
| 21:15.12 | rpc | Wyzard weird but perhaps makes sense after all |
| 21:15.12 | Wyzard | rpc: I'm surprised if you needed to bind /dev this time, now that you fixed the sda problem |
| 21:15.16 | Aasgard | someothermarcus: after testing that the cmd works ok |
| 21:15.19 | rpc | Wyzard yes |
| 21:15.20 | Wyzard | rpc: /proc is no surprise |
| 21:15.37 | rpc | # lilo |
| 21:15.37 | rpc | /proc/devices: fopen failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:15.44 | rpc | that's what happened without /dev |
| 21:15.57 | rpc | device-mapper: version ioctl failed: Invalid argument |
| 21:15.57 | rpc | Incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.08 (2006-07-17)(compat) and kernel driver |
| 21:16.01 | rpc | lots of crap |
| 21:16.01 | markybob | abrotman: you got a sympathy laugh from me. that's better than nothing from anyone ;) |
| 21:16.07 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 21:16.07 | rpc | i hate lilo so far... |
| 21:16.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:16.20 | abrotman | Wyzard apparently didn't appreciate my humor |
| 21:16.20 | rpc | perhaps i will switch to grub? |
| 21:16.27 | jelly-home | Aasgard: eh, apparently they do, just tried. |
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| 21:16.47 | Aasgard | jelly-home: nice! |
| 21:17.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: nah, I'm just distracted -- converting my laptop from JFS to ext3 by doing a network backup and restore using a liveCD |
| 21:17.21 | rpc | Wyzard just tried to reboot.. let's hope... |
| 21:17.36 | abrotman | Wyzard: don't like JFS anymore ? |
| 21:17.59 | rpc | jfs.. was giving it a thought lately... |
| 21:18.13 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's supposed to support online growing, but I did that on my desktop a few weeks ago and it ended up getting the driver into a confused state where I had to unmount and remount /home |
| 21:18.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: fsck didn't find any errors so it's not really a big deal, but that's a bit worrisome nonetheless |
| 21:18.33 | jelly-home | Wyzard: ext3 also has online resize these days |
| 21:18.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:18.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: also, ext3 supports shrinking, which jfs doesn't |
| 21:18.51 | someothermarcus | btw, instead of running samba, is there any other protocol which is recommended? I stream a lot of music and video. |
| 21:18.57 | Aasgard | jelly-home: gsambad for gui is pretty neat if you like guis |
| 21:19.01 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I know... I was using JFS out of a desire for better performance |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: and ext3 is just better! |
| 21:19.11 | rpc | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 21:19.16 | rpc | it's back.. and it's cool :) |
| 21:19.18 | Wyzard | jelly-home: now I'm trying ext3 with data=writeback, noatime, and dir_index |
| 21:19.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: s/better/stable/ |
| 21:19.37 | abrotman | doesn't that make it better ? |
| 21:19.37 | rpc | Wyzard thank you a million once again for all your time and patience today |
| 21:19.43 | abrotman | who cares about speed if your data isn't there :) |
| 21:19.44 | Wyzard | rpc: You're welcome |
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| 21:19.52 | rpc | not many people were willing or able to help |
| 21:20.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: I my book, yes, but some folks don't care about that that much |
| 21:20.05 | rpc | many were kidding instead which is sad |
| 21:20.08 | jelly-home | In* |
| 21:20.23 | Aasgard | rpc: "not many people were willing or able to help" for what ? |
| 21:20.31 | Wyzard | rpc: Others were helping at first, but your problem turned out to be fairly complicated |
| 21:20.36 | rpc | it was a serious problem and i really needed swomeone to guide me tru or i would die tonight probably |
| 21:20.48 | rpc | Aasgard i killed my remote box |
| 21:20.53 | Wyzard | rpc: fortunately I happen to not have much else to do today :-) |
| 21:21.02 | Aasgard | rpc: miles away from it or what ? |
| 21:21.05 | rpc | Wyzard i was truly lukcly then |
| 21:21.15 | rpc | Aasgard hm 2000km or so |
| 21:21.29 | rpc | which is 1000 miles i believe :) |
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| 21:21.36 | rpc | lucky* |
| 21:21.37 | Wyzard | Aasgard: he had a net-booted recovery system that he could access, so he needed to mount and chroot his hard drive and fix a kernel snafu |
| 21:21.40 | daeos | is it possible to change what driver is used for a piece of hardware, such as.. lsmod says usbcore 119044 4 ndiswrapper,uhci_hcd , how can i remove the ndiswrapper, and change it to use either madwifi_g or hostap or even prism ? |
| 21:21.49 | rpc | Wyzard i couldn't have told that better... |
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| 21:21.55 | Aasgard | rpc: aww, rebooted it and it wont boot (i did that in 2000, pure evil:) |
| 21:21.58 | Wyzard | daeos: rmmod ndiswrapper; modprobe madwifi_g |
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| 21:22.03 | rpc | Aasgard he he |
| 21:22.06 | abrotman | modprobe -r! |
| 21:22.25 | rpc | Aasgard btw i have learned tons today.. like that recovery console can do more than just choose a distro for you to install over nfs mount :) |
| 21:22.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: when it works. Ya think windows drivers like to be unloaded? :-) |
| 21:22.36 | Aasgard | rpc: also after updating sshd.. dont just kill sshd and try starting it :P |
| 21:22.43 | rpc | Aasgard yesterday i would say that my box and system was gone forever |
| 21:22.44 | Aasgard | remotely that is |
| 21:22.53 | rpc | Aasgard lol |
| 21:23.09 | rpc | Aasgard want more fun? try to setup an eth0 bridge on a remote box ;) |
| 21:23.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: windows drivers just don't like |
| 21:23.15 | rpc | i went tru that too before |
| 21:23.18 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 21:23.23 | rpc | Wyzard ;) |
| 21:23.34 | Wyzard | rpc: What was the bridge for? |
| 21:23.41 | Wyzard | rpc: vserver? |
| 21:23.42 | rpc | it took 10 seconds for my connection to return.. longest ones in my life |
| 21:23.46 | rpc | Wyzard yes |
| 21:23.48 | jelly-home | Aasgard: thankfully sshd is one of the services that doesn't kill off all the connected clients whenm restarted |
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| 21:24.03 | rpc | but now i have to say a bridge is a piece of cake ;) |
| 21:24.14 | Wyzard | rpc: If it's any help to know, Xen has a startup script that sets up the bridge automatically at boot time |
| 21:24.33 | rpc | Wyzard hm that i didn't know, i was using vbox on that time |
| 21:24.44 | Wyzard | though xen works rather differently than vserver |
| 21:24.48 | rpc | yes |
| 21:25.10 | rpc | vserver isn't a hardware virtualization level afaik |
| 21:25.42 | Wyzard | Xen isn't "hardware-level" either |
| 21:26.12 | Wyzard | but Xen gives each virtual machine its own kernel, independent from any others that may be running |
| 21:26.12 | rpc | very confusing.. i ended up with vmware after all |
| 21:26.25 | Wyzard | vserver gives you virtual machines that all share a single kernel |
| 21:26.27 | rpc | Wyzard hm yes that's the difference |
| 21:26.46 | Wyzard | Debian actually has -xen-vserver kernels, for running multiple vservers within a single Xen domain |
| 21:26.46 | rpc | that's why i said vserver wasn't hw virt. one |
| 21:27.01 | Aasgard | jelly-home: still, if you go killall -9 itll sever the connection and the car has to pull out from the garage maybe :) |
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| 21:27.11 | rpc | it's same as virtuozzo... it can only "multiply" same kernel, not create a full env. for the machine |
| 21:27.19 | Wyzard | well, "hardware virtualization" would be something like emulating hardware, which Xen doesn't |
| 21:27.39 | Wyzard | A Xen guest's kernel understands that it's running in Xen, and it has drivers (network, video, etc.) for talking to the Xen hypervisor rather than talking to real hardware |
| 21:27.40 | rpc | hm if it doesn't.. you sure it can run many kernels at the same time? |
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| 21:28.20 | Wyzard | kinda like the "VMware SVGA" graphics driver that you're probably familiar with |
| 21:28.33 | Wyzard | VMware initially emulates a real piece of video hardware, but that's inefficient |
| 21:29.03 | Wyzard | Once you install VMware Tools, you're using a different video driver that talks to VMware directly rather than talking to emulated hardware |
| 21:29.24 | rpc | mhm that's correct |
| 21:29.35 | Wyzard | Xen does that for *everything*, not just a certain few drivers, and it does it right from the start, rather than installing the special drivers later |
| 21:29.45 | Wyzard | That's why it needs special Xen-aware kernels |
| 21:29.59 | Aasgard | Hows kvm btw ? |
| 21:30.47 | Wyzard | Aasgard: I built kvm-source on my Conroe box under 2.6.18-4-amd64, but when I loaded the module it hard-locked the system |
| 21:34.22 | Wyzard | Aasgard: That could concievably have been some sort of buggy interaction with vmmon, though, since I have VMware on here too -- but that's just a guess |
| 21:34.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:34.22 | Wyzard | I'll try it again with 2.6.20 |
| 21:34.23 | dpkg | "Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix." - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1 |
| 21:34.23 | Aasgard | Wyzard: yeah, could be |
| 21:34.24 | rpc | aargh i have a hot, fresh problem |
| 21:34.24 | rpc | The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
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| 21:34.57 | rpc | can't compile the module for vmware anymore after the kernel switching... |
| 21:34.58 | Wyzard | rpc: you're using 2.6.18-4-686, right? |
| 21:34.59 | rpc | right |
| 21:35.00 | nn-laptop | wow |
| 21:35.00 | Wyzard | rpc: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 21:35.01 | rpc | and i remember that i had to patch something before.. |
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| 21:35.03 | nn-laptop | lots of people |
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| 21:35.09 | rpc | Wyzard hm |
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| 21:35.13 | Wyzard | rpc: actually, no, install linux-headers-2.6-686 (which will pull in the other one as a dependency, like linux-image-2.6-686 did) |
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| 21:35.16 | Wyzard | rpc: then run vmware-config again |
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| 21:35.18 | edju | mplayer will play .rm but not .ram. Paste is at http://rafb.net/p/XWCHn164.html. Important part, I think, is "invalid chunk size" Does it with any .ram file. Suggestions? |
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| 21:35.20 | Wyzard | rpc: Once you install that package, you'll notice that you have a symlink, /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build, which points to a directory with the headers for that kernel |
| 21:35.20 | Aasgard | Wyzard: vmware and those things are pretty neat, load up a live cd/iso and run it or run from hd |
| 21:35.20 | rpc | Wyzard: The module loads perfectly in the running kernel..... kudos again :) |
| 21:35.22 | Wyzard | rpc: That symlink is the standard way to find build headers for a kernel, and vmware-config will use it if it exists... it falls back to looking in /usr/src/linux/include if the build symlink doesn't exist |
| 21:35.22 | rpc | hm |
| 21:35.22 | Wyzard | rpc: Every "linux-image" package in Debian has a corresponding "linux-headers" package |
| 21:35.23 | rpc | i have learned something important once again |
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| 21:35.25 | rpc | i'm really lucky that you haven't got much to do today, Wyzard :) |
| 21:35.27 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 21:37.13 | ozymandias | how can I unpack initrd? I want to see if a line has been added to my init correctly |
| 21:37.25 | tarzeau | ozymandias: etch? |
| 21:37.29 | ozymandias | Yeah |
| 21:37.30 | xq | Greetings, is there a good guide anywhere on installation/configuration of Compiz with the newest release of Debian Etch? |
| 21:38.12 | tarzeau | ozymandias: zcat initrd.gz | cpio -idvm |
| 21:38.18 | ozymandias | Thank You |
| 21:38.25 | tarzeau | here's how you put it togehter again: find stuff/ | cpio -o -H crc | gzip > initrd.gz |
| 21:38.56 | Aasgard | or just make it a .tar.gz |
| 21:39.03 | tarzeau | useful if the LOL kernel is not good enough and you need a ROFL one |
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| 21:39.10 | tarzeau | Aasgard: that'll work? |
| 21:39.20 | Aasgard | yes |
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| 21:40.07 | Aasgard | wonder why they use cpio... |
| 21:40.34 | tarzeau | Aasgard: stuff can be cat-added to it? |
| 21:40.44 | Wyzard | My guess would be that it's simpler to implement in the kernel than tar |
| 21:40.45 | tarzeau | anyone else got this with tmw: tmw: symbol lookup error: tmw: undefined symbol: _ZN3gcn6Widget19removeDeathListenerEPNS_13DeathListenerE |
| 21:40.52 | Wyzard | though I don't really know anything about cpio's archive format |
| 21:41.05 | Aasgard | tarzeau: man tar :) |
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| 21:41.30 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Well, it's a mangled C++ symbol, gcn::Widget::removeDeathListener(gcn::DeathListener*), but I have no idea what that is |
| 21:41.31 | h3sp4wn | I have always used newc not crc (and it has worked fine) |
| 21:41.33 | tarzeau | Aasgard: it can do so as well? |
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| 21:41.53 | Aasgard | tarzeau: pack files and directories together, why yeeas :) |
| 21:41.53 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i'll stick to nethack i guess |
| 21:42.07 | Wyzard | tarzeau: If you're looking for a roguelike, try ToME :-) |
| 21:42.18 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i like nethack... |
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| 21:45.27 | clars | I been installing dokuwiki by debs, and can browse localhost/dokuwiki but frome outside I get: "You don't have permission to access /dokuwiki/ on this server." whats there to do? |
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| 21:46.28 | Aasgard | I noticed that Debian And Fedora doesnt add 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost in /etc/hosts, please do that :) |
| 21:47.01 | tarzeau | Aasgard: that's so wrong |
| 21:47.01 | Aasgard | ? |
| 21:47.01 | Wyzard | There was a big discussion on debian-devel at some point as to whether that's actually a good idea |
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| 21:47.22 | Wyzard | afaik, "localhost" isn't really in a domain |
| 21:47.24 | sobersabre | hi guys. there's someone with no direct access to the web. |
| 21:47.31 | Aasgard | using ::1 for 127.0.0.1 doesnt map to ipv4 |
| 21:47.38 | sobersabre | and he would like to keep his system uptodate as much as he can |
| 21:48.00 | sobersabre | he has access on remote windows machine to his debian. |
| 21:48.01 | Wyzard | sobersabre: That's tricky... the "apt-zip" package may help, but I've never used it so I can't say how well it works |
| 21:48.07 | Aasgard | Not adding that is very crazy :) |
| 21:48.09 | asg | sobersabre: no direct access to the web != no direct access to the Internet. Which is it? |
| 21:48.14 | tarzeau | Wyzard: telnet 80.219.76.102 27015 |
| 21:48.24 | Wyzard | tarzeau: why? |
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| 21:48.27 | threw | hi all ! |
| 21:48.37 | tarzeau | Wyzard: /me in nethack, dlvl:34 |
| 21:48.39 | sobersabre | once in 2 weeks he can access a machine with internet connection. |
| 21:48.41 | Nemoder | sobersabre: can he run a proxy on the windows machines? |
| 21:48.50 | sobersabre | asg, s/web/internet/ |
| 21:48.58 | sobersabre | Nemoder, NO. |
| 21:49.01 | Wyzard | tarzeau: interesting... I didn't know nethack could do that |
| 21:49.10 | sobersabre | he's a restricted user there. |
| 21:49.17 | sobersabre | IS there a package to: |
| 21:49.18 | threw | !pastebin |
| 21:49.18 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.ca/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 21:49.36 | sobersabre | 1. get diff between the repo of specified date to another date ? |
| 21:49.39 | asg | sobersabre: if your friend is using Debian stable, just keep an eye on any security updates and, when they come out, put them on a usb stick or cd-rw, and install them: voila! |
| 21:49.43 | tarzeau | Wyzard: that's not nethack, that's www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ see nethackd :) |
| 21:49.58 | Nemoder | sobersabre: if the machine doesn't have internet access I'm not sure why he would need security updates |
| 21:49.59 | sobersabre | asg, NO way to automate this ? |
| 21:50.04 | Aasgard | tarzeau: firefox localhost wont work wo that line, and so wont any server connection... |
| 21:50.26 | asg | sobersabre: for you? yes. For the person without net connectivity, no. |
| 21:50.30 | Aasgard | so whoever said that is waaay off the protos :) |
| 21:50.42 | sobersabre | Nemoder, if one runs a wifi network disconnected from the internet, he may be attacked by someone. |
| 21:51.09 | Nemoder | ah |
| 21:51.25 | sobersabre | Nemoder, it doesn't have to be wifi. |
| 21:51.57 | sobersabre | If you have some sort of sec. policy, but want to make sure if there is unauthorized access, you still don't get a bummer via some old hole... |
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| 21:52.24 | sobersabre | asg, is there no windows tool for keeping a debian system up to date offline ? |
| 21:52.34 | threw | i have a problem with apt-get and my debian (unstable): i've got this error when i do an apt-get -f install: http://paste.debian.net/26197 . i have got the problem from since 1 month. the only stuff that may help me is this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2007/02/msg00120.html it seems that the problem has been solved . but i dont understant how :( may anyone help me please ? |
| 21:52.45 | Wyzard | sobersabre: I did suggest apt-zip |
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| 21:52.53 | sobersabre | Wyzard, moment... thanks. |
| 21:53.18 | ahr | hi , can i ask a question about aptitude here? |
| 21:53.23 | Wyzard | sobersabre: I think it needs the "online" machine to be running Linux though |
| 21:53.26 | Aasgard | Pardon me, have you any grey poupon :) |
| 21:53.39 | rpc | let me say it once again - Wyzard did the fantastic job today and helped me TONS with really serious problem |
| 21:53.47 | sobersabre | this is quite frustrating... |
| 21:53.48 | rpc | kudos. |
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| 21:54.40 | Nemoder | sobersabre: I don't know of any software to automate that but you can manually fetch the package list and any new .deb files and store them on disk |
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| 21:54.44 | threw | anyone may help me please ? |
| 21:54.48 | sobersabre | hmmm... it is possible to parse a mailbox and create a file list out of it ..with procmail... |
| 21:54.57 | ahr | can anyone give me advice on getting the aptitude tui to work right ? on the machine's console its fine, but over ssh in an xterm on another box the UI is fairly garbled |
| 21:54.58 | Aasgard | threw: whats up ? |
| 21:55.20 | threw | wel, as i said before: |
| 21:55.23 | threw | <threw> i have a problem with apt-get and my debian (unstable): i've got this error when i do an apt-get -f install: http://paste.debian.net/26197 . i have got the problem from since 1 month. the only stuff that may help me is this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2007/02/msg00120.html it seems that the problem has been solved . but i dont understant how :( may anyone help me please ? |
| 21:55.28 | sobersabre | so... one needs to have an access to SOME unix machine with procmail, and create the list. |
| 21:56.05 | sobersabre | quite problematic... |
| 21:56.09 | Aasgard | threw: thats some python shit.. |
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| 21:56.47 | threw | Aasgard, yes :( |
| 21:56.51 | Aasgard | INFO: using old version '/usr/bin/python2.3' |
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| 21:56.59 | Aasgard | upgrade i guess |
| 21:57.25 | Aasgard | maybe apt-get update && apt-get install python |
| 21:57.26 | drwahl | i am trying to play some music that i just downloaded (and stored on my file server, and shared via samba), but I am not able to. I am able to play all the songs that were there already though. it looks like the permissions are right however. any suggestions? |
| 21:58.12 | Aasgard | drwahl: which program are you using ? |
| 21:58.16 | drwahl | juk |
| 21:58.33 | Aasgard | never heard of it, rhythmbox is really neat though |
| 21:58.56 | Wyzard | juk is a KDE thing |
| 21:59.02 | Wyzard | rhythmbox is primarily for GNOME |
| 21:59.02 | drwahl | i dont like xmms because it doesnt have a very comperihensive playlist editor.... i will give rythmbox a shot |
| 21:59.03 | Aasgard | eww, ok :) |
| 21:59.27 | threw | Aasgard, i cant even use apt-get 'cause of this error |
| 21:59.29 | Aasgard | rhythmbox is the leader for me |
| 21:59.33 | Nemoder | sobersabre: not sure why you need procmail, you can just look at the repo and check the changelog i think http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/ (or your local mirror) |
| 22:00.20 | Aasgard | threw: then that python shit has done something evil.. maybe aliased the apt-get command in /etc/profile or so |
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| 22:00.35 | drwahl | odd... it seesm that rhythm box is able to play it... |
| 22:01.05 | Aasgard | you need gstreamer-plugins-good gstreamer-plugins-bad and ugly |
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| 22:01.13 | Matteo_M | hi there |
| 22:01.23 | Aasgard | Hola compadre! |
| 22:01.24 | Aasgard | :) |
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| 22:01.38 | Matteo_M | I have problem with x11 |
| 22:01.40 | Matteo_M | hola |
| 22:01.42 | Matteo_M | :-D |
| 22:01.48 | Aasgard | .. |
| 22:01.50 | Matteo_M | hablas espanol? |
| 22:02.03 | Aasgard | Naah, just cool |
| 22:02.07 | Matteo_M | haha |
| 22:02.08 | Matteo_M | ok |
| 22:02.12 | threw | Aasgard, stargate fan, python is evil, but its not magic. it's like the orii but in less powerfull |
| 22:02.18 | Wyzard | !es |
| 22:02.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:02.42 | Matteo_M | I have installed debian 4.0 using the xfce cd 1 |
| 22:02.45 | Ankman | can i somehow list the number of files dpgk knows of? |
| 22:02.54 | Ankman | dpkg |
| 22:02.56 | Aasgard | threw: Ancient greek, gowds and mythology, python blows :) |
| 22:03.02 | Matteo_M | now I can boot the pc and enter in xfce |
| 22:03.06 | alleyoopster | no hablo espaniol, es moy dificil |
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| 22:03.17 | Vasistha | Ankman: maybe you want dpkg -l '*' or dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:03.21 | dunker | threw: isnt there a python2.4 on your system ? |
| 22:03.26 | Matteo_M | but I can't switch to an higher resolution |
| 22:03.31 | Ankman | ty |
| 22:03.53 | threw | Dunker, yes. and python2.5 too :( |
| 22:03.59 | Matteo_M | I've already checked xorg.conf, and seams that higher resolution are available |
| 22:04.11 | xq | Sorry for the second time asking, anyone know of a good guide for Compiz configuration on Gnome Etch? I have it downloaded (along with all other dependency files and setup). Just not sure where to configure/add it to work with Xorg. (.bashrc?) |
| 22:04.11 | dunker | then change the python symlink |
| 22:04.12 | Matteo_M | how can I try to switch it? |
| 22:04.23 | threw | Aasgard, indeed ! |
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| 22:04.30 | Nemoder | sobersabre: er sorry, I guess security updates are seperate http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/ |
| 22:04.34 | Aasgard | threw: Thank you! :) |
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| 22:05.08 | threw | Aasgard, but in the late stargate episode, Aasgard race is dying :( |
| 22:05.49 | Matteo_M | can you help me? |
| 22:05.57 | Ankman | Vasistha: no, not telling just the number of files, like dpkg does when (de)installing stuff |
| 22:06.10 | Aasgard | threw: they air the stargate episodes 21:00 on fridays here (who watches those at that evil time! :) |
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| 22:06.48 | Matteo_M | thanks |
| 22:06.51 | Aasgard | threw: the series/eps they air at 02:00 or so (nice if youre working/lol) |
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| 22:08.21 | daeos | Wyzard: thanks, i removed ndiswrapper, and instead of madwifi_g i am trying to use linux-wlan-ng and after installing the module, modprobe tells me that its not found (the module) |
| 22:08.45 | threw | Aasgard, well i dont know at all: im french and stargate episode season 10 are not yet broadcasted here. so im downloading them over bittorrent :( |
| 22:08.52 | Aasgard | threw: seen this before.. http://www.gadmintools.org what do you think about it ? |
| 22:09.06 | daeos | Wyzard: yet its in the /etc/modutils/linux-wlan-ng location |
| 22:09.09 | Aasgard | threw: then youre better off |
| 22:09.10 | Aasgard | :) |
| 22:09.53 | Wyzard | daeos: /etc/modutils doesn't contain modules, only configuration |
| 22:10.33 | daeos | Wyzard: oh ok, thats why then... and im not even certain that linux-wlan-ng is the modulei want to use... im still trying to find that out |
| 22:10.40 | Wyzard | daeos: linux-wlan-ng is an out-of-tree kernel module that needs to be compiled |
| 22:10.53 | Wyzard | daeos: The package itself is linux-wlan-ng-source, and module-assistant is a convenient way to build it |
| 22:11.23 | Wyzard | daeos: As for whether it's the one you want, I can't help with that -- I use ipw2200 |
| 22:11.46 | daeos | Wyzard: thanks.. i'll try to find what i need... its for a netgear wg111 |
| 22:12.01 | threw | Aasgard, well what raport between stargate/bt and thos software ?! |
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| 22:12.34 | Aasgard | threw: dont get 'raport'.. |
| 22:13.22 | doudou | Hi, i read something about bind, wanted dig, tried aptitude install dig but this is not correct, how do i know what i nead? |
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| 22:13.46 | threw | Aasgard, i meant report (im bad at english oO) |
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| 22:14.01 | markybob | doudou: dnsutils |
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| 22:15.00 | MetalWolf | Hi, I have been following instructions on how to make my debian installation work on a raid array, however I have hit a problem. It says to edit /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf . How would I get this? closest I found was yaird... |
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| 22:15.09 | Tobsn | hi |
| 22:15.13 | Tobsn | can anyone help me with this: |
| 22:15.15 | doudou | markybob, thanks |
| 22:15.17 | Tobsn | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:15.21 | Tobsn | php5-gd: Depends: php5-common (= 5.2.0-8+etch1~bpo.1) but 5.2.0-8~bpo.2 is to be installed |
| 22:15.24 | Aasgard | threw: doesnt matter if youre good or bad at english... can you write that question in a different way ? |
| 22:15.39 | Gnea | Tobsn: remove backports from your sources.list |
| 22:15.54 | threw | Aasgard, well why did you give me the link ? oO |
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| 22:16.23 | Aasgard | threw: wanted your opinion on the software on that site.. |
| 22:16.33 | threw | ah ok |
| 22:16.36 | Tobsn | hmm |
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| 22:16.47 | Tobsn | Gnea, but without backports i dont have a php5-gd... |
| 22:17.01 | biopyte | hi. i'd like to record a talk via microphone -> mp3, ogg, whatever. what package is suitable for this? easy of use and configuration is more important than many features. |
| 22:17.07 | Tobsn | Package php5-gd has no installation candidate |
| 22:17.17 | threw | Aasgard, well i think the non gui way is always the better way so .... |
| 22:17.57 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 22:18.04 | Gnea | Tobsn: i just told you how you can fix it, if you're not willing to even try it, then that's not my problem. |
| 22:18.07 | Aasgard | threw: although the gui way can be better (automatically adds more layers of security) .. |
| 22:18.20 | Tobsn | i removed backports from the your list |
| 22:18.25 | doudou | markybob, where should i go to know answers to such questions, google is too many answers for this kind |
| 22:18.25 | Aasgard | drawback is you have to have xorg |
| 22:18.29 | Tobsn | but it doesnt works |
| 22:18.31 | Tobsn | because: |
| 22:18.32 | Aasgard | or X11RX |
| 22:18.34 | Tobsn | "Package php5-gd has no installation candidate" |
| 22:18.40 | Gnea | did you run apt-get update? |
| 22:18.45 | Tobsn | sure |
| 22:18.56 | Tobsn | its not shown in the list |
| 22:18.58 | Gnea | and the results of apt-cache search php5 gd are? |
| 22:19.00 | markybob | doudou: apt-cache search helps. and /msg dpkg find |
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| 22:19.06 | Tobsn | i just have now php5 and php5-mysql |
| 22:19.21 | Tobsn | # apt-cache search php5 gd | wc -l |
| 22:19.21 | Tobsn | 0 |
| 22:19.23 | Tobsn | zero. |
| 22:19.27 | Gnea | then perhaps the backport is broken. |
| 22:19.33 | Tobsn | i removed the backports |
| 22:19.37 | Tobsn | hmm |
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| 22:20.00 | markybob | Tobsn: that's why the install guide tells you to remove backported packages before upgrading to etch. mixing stuff isnt good |
| 22:20.11 | Gnea | which means that there's a dependancy issue, you could put backports back in and then check the requirements of the 3 packages |
| 22:20.21 | Tobsn | thats a fresh installation from the provider... |
| 22:20.50 | Tobsn | hmm |
| 22:20.58 | Tobsn | how can i see what version im running? |
| 22:21.00 | Tobsn | etch/sarge |
| 22:21.13 | threw | Aasgard, why the gui way add more layers of security ?! |
| 22:21.15 | sobersabre | all thanks. |
| 22:21.16 | mlowe | Tobsn, uname |
| 22:21.17 | Gnea | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:21.25 | Tobsn | 3.1 |
| 22:21.39 | simonrvn | that's sarge... |
| 22:21.45 | Tobsn | yep |
| 22:22.09 | Aasgard | threw: because users dont add security if they dont have to and because it can be complicated |
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| 22:22.34 | doudou | dpkg, find dig |
| 22:22.35 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dig' (15 of 27): aprsdigi ;; digikam ;; digikam-doc ;; digikamimageplugins ;; digikamimageplugins-doc ;; digitaldj ;; digitemp ;; digitools ;; engauge-digitizer ;; engauge-digitizer-doc ;; fldigi ;; happydigger ;; htdig ;; htdig-doc ;; libcommons-digester-java. |
| 22:22.46 | markybob | Tobsn: why dont you just upgrade to stable instead of messing with backported packages and such? |
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| 22:23.11 | simonrvn | doudou: /msg dpkg, second that just finds package names |
| 22:23.13 | doudou | markybob, hit again, thanks again |
| 22:23.18 | Tobsn | tell me how... |
| 22:23.18 | Tobsn | ;) |
| 22:23.20 | drwahl | i am trying to install Adobe Flash player (per Youtube.com's request) for firefox, and i get an error that my archicture \'x86_64\', is not supported by the installer |
| 22:23.24 | drwahl | any suggestions? |
| 22:23.24 | Gnea | Tobsn: do yourself a favor and just do a proper upgrade :) |
| 22:23.28 | Gnea | !sarge->etch |
| 22:23.29 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the release notes. also ask me about <security> |
| 22:23.34 | Guerin | drwahl: complain to macdobedia |
| 22:23.41 | Gnea | !security |
| 22:23.41 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 22:23.52 | markybob | Tobsn: make sure you get rid of those backported packages first, though. then upgrade, then install php5 normally |
| 22:23.59 | Aasgard | threw: compare that to mac address binding in wifi / not many do that and hardly anyone uses passwords beyond admin/admin :) |
| 22:24.22 | drwahl | Guerin: already doing that, but i was hoping for some workaround |
| 22:24.25 | Tobsn | k thx |
| 22:24.29 | troubled | simonrvn :þ |
| 22:24.30 | Gnea | Tobsn: dpkg -l | grep bpo | grep ^ii |
| 22:24.43 | daeos | Wyzard: so linux-wlan-ng i have to build it also? i thought it gets installed when i used APT-Get |
| 22:24.45 | simonrvn | troubled: whatever man :P |
| 22:24.54 | threw | Aasgard, yes. but for me: security is not something that i care about and if i would care about it i would read a book on configuring/securising a network on linux. if you use gui, you lost most of the advantage of linux: the customizing (see gnome nazi ;) |
| 22:24.55 | Aasgard | admin/password(or no password) is also popular :) |
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| 22:24.59 | simonrvn | troubled: hey :) |
| 22:25.05 | troubled | simonrvn: heh (0254) |
| 22:25.06 | Guerin | Aasgard: the answer is not `make security easy', the answer is `make things secure by default' |
| 22:25.20 | Wyzard | daeos: linux-wlan-ng-source contains source code for a kernel module, which needs to be compiled for the kernel you're running |
| 22:25.26 | Wyzard | daeos: use module-assistant for that |
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| 22:25.36 | Aasgard | threw: you also have full control via an editor.. |
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| 22:25.39 | Guerin | Aasgard: because `make security easy' is snake-oil which often has the effect of making things LESS secure - if it's easy to turn on, it's easy to turn off |
| 22:26.16 | Aasgard | Guerin: Youre right |
| 22:26.20 | troubled | holy clones batman |
| 22:26.29 | daeos | Wyzard: so linux-wlan-ng-source - linux-wlan-ng driver , is just source code then? |
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| 22:26.33 | daeos | Wyzard: ok... |
| 22:26.33 | Aasgard | Guerin: users choise.. |
| 22:26.42 | Guerin | Aasgard: no. Admin's choice. |
| 22:26.56 | Aasgard | Guerin: ah, but the admin is this case is the user |
| 22:27.01 | Wyzard | daeos: yes, source code for a kernel module |
| 22:27.19 | yetifoot | drwahl, last time i checked there was no flash plugin for 64bit, there seem to be a few options, install a 32 bit browser, install swfdec, or worst (but most reliable and usable i found) use windows firefox under WINE |
| 22:27.19 | Wyzard | daeos: The linux-wlan-ng contains userspace utilities for working with the driver, but the driver itself is the kernel module |
| 22:27.31 | drwahl | the best thing i can find for installing flash on 64 bit linux is http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000258.cfm, but it doesnt seem that folder exists. any one know where i should put the file? (libflashplayer.so |
| 22:27.36 | troubled | simonrvn: still gettin yer butt kicked by your systems huh? |
| 22:27.50 | daeos | Wyzard: so i would need not the "tools" package, but the source package, build it and then i can use the driver itself then? |
| 22:27.55 | threw | Aasgard, which editor ? |
| 22:27.56 | Guerin | Aasgard: the distinction is all the more important in that case - users need to get the point that when they type the root password, they're an admin, and should adhere to stricter standards. Fundamentally the issue is about education. |
| 22:28.16 | Wyzard | daeos: You need both |
| 22:28.34 | threw | poll: do you think that i should remove util-linux from my system ? |
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| 22:29.00 | Guerin | threw: sure, why not? |
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| 22:29.21 | threw | well it says it's an essential package |
| 22:29.51 | HostilePenguin | do you have to edit sources.list to have things like flashplayer updated? |
| 22:30.04 | Guerin | threw: then don't |
| 22:30.08 | streuner | no |
| 22:30.16 | Guerin | HostilePenguin: flashplayer isn't in debian |
| 22:30.21 | yetifoot | drwahl, I tried that webpages instructions myself, and it didn't work for me on debian, i had to look at the other options |
| 22:30.25 | streuner | but flash is non-free... |
| 22:30.25 | threw | Guerin, too late |
| 22:30.30 | Guerin | threw: hooray! |
| 22:30.45 | streuner | HostilePenguin: there are some packages in Debian |
| 22:30.48 | drwahl | yetifoot: ok, thanks |
| 22:30.51 | Aasgard | Guerin: Admin learns (hong-kong kung-fu;) -- threw: <Yodah>in the gui full control ye shall have </Yodah> :) |
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| 22:31.10 | daeos | Wyzard: i installed both, but not sure where the source code would be installed... should i just 'locate' it and then do a ./make cofig on it? |
| 22:31.31 | _THE_MAXX_ | hello, i am having trouble with beryl under etch/lenny does anyone have this running? |
| 22:31.42 | Wyzard | daeos: No, you use module-assistant |
| 22:31.49 | yetifoot | drwahl, the first thing i got working, was installing a 32bit browser, i found that info on the ubuntu forums, but it was equally valid for debian, but it did end up in a nasty libc brokenness, so now i use WINE |
| 22:31.57 | _THE_MAXX_ | i am using a radeon x800 with the r300 DRI driver (open source) |
| 22:32.00 | drwahl | when webpages offer "debian" packages, but only have them catagorized by ubuntu relases, how does that relate to 'regular' (for lack of a better word) debian realeses (sarge/etch/lenny)? |
| 22:32.15 | Guerin | \dyou don't |
| 22:32.26 | Guerin | drwahl: you more or less have to just guess and hope |
| 22:32.28 | HostilePenguin | just having problems getting flash to run with konqueror throws xsession errors works fine with ice ape |
| 22:32.30 | _THE_MAXX_ | all the effects work but the window borders do not appear, any ideas? |
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| 22:32.36 | Guerin | drwahl: and not complain about it in herer |
| 22:32.36 | doudou | how do i obtain dnscommon from dig without asking here? |
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| 22:32.50 | scead | anyone having trouble with nvidia drivers and X.org at the moment? |
| 22:32.58 | Guerin | !wayttd doudou |
| 22:32.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, doudou? |
| 22:33.16 | yetifoot | scead, my other box uses that, its been working fine, that box is in etch stable, up to date |
| 22:33.16 | Aasgard | HostilePenguin: lol, you want flash ? |
| 22:33.18 | troubled | Guerin: thats just lazy man |
| 22:33.28 | drwahl | Guerin: ok, so its not like ubuntu has a release that coincides with debians? example dapper=sarge |
| 22:33.31 | HostilePenguin | i just dont want the errors |
| 22:33.39 | scead | yetifoot: ah okay :) |
| 22:33.45 | Aasgard | HostilePenguin: erroras ? |
| 22:33.51 | Guerin | drwahl: nope, they broke binary compatibility ages ago. |
| 22:33.54 | scead | anyone with unstable and having problems with nvidia and x.org? lol |
| 22:33.55 | yetifoot | flash = youtube, lots of people want youtube, so i've had to deal with a lot of people who upgraded to 64bit |
| 22:34.06 | Guerin | troubled: i'm lazy. Laziness is a virtue. |
| 22:34.27 | chewy | can i use a package manager better than aptitude?..hard to read, i try apt-get install synaptic and it doesnt work |
| 22:34.28 | daeos | Wyzard: " sudo module-assistant prepare " ? |
| 22:34.32 | doudou | i try to understand how i can find packages to install hen i see a program in some google doc |
| 22:34.34 | Guerin | yetifoot: the point being that 64-bit isn't ready for primetime |
| 22:34.41 | HostilePenguin | Adobe FlashPlayer: gtk_clipboard_get(GDK_SELECTION_PRIMARY); failed. Trying to call gtk_init(0,0); |
| 22:34.43 | Aasgard | Guerin: yep, code for some days then just relax :) |
| 22:34.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I normally loathe sudo, and prefer su, but due to a script I need insisting on using sudo, I need to set it up to be able to log me in |
| 22:34.49 | Guerin | drwahl: oh. /msg dpkg search |
| 22:34.53 | HostilePenguin | that error |
| 22:34.54 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
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| 22:34.58 | Guerin | doudou: oh. /msg dpkg search |
| 22:34.59 | Wyzard | daeos: It's easier to use its interactive mode... just run module-assistant (as root) |
| 22:35.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | No matter what I type into sudo now, it refuses to log me in |
| 22:35.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please give me a hand? |
| 22:35.14 | doudou | dpkg search dig |
| 22:35.23 | streuner | HostilePenguin: well, its OT here, we don't support other stuff which aren't in Debian |
| 22:35.27 | Aasgard | Dark_Apostrophe: 'su -' |
| 22:35.31 | Guerin | !tell doudou about search |
| 22:35.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aasgard: I know, and I like su! |
| 22:35.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aasgard: But it's this bitchy script that insists on sudo |
| 22:35.48 | Aasgard | exxillimantly! |
| 22:36.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aasgard: So I need to figure out how to make bloody sudo work. |
| 22:36.11 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: man sudoers ;) |
| 22:36.23 | Aasgard | Dark_Apostrophe: ah ^:) |
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| 22:36.49 | chewy | what package manager do you guys use? aptitude? is it only console mode? |
| 22:36.59 | Wyzard | chewy: aptitude is best IMO |
| 22:37.01 | streuner | chewy: apt-get and dpkg ;-) |
| 22:37.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: I see. Got a short version for making it log me in as root? :P |
| 22:37.02 | yetifoot | Guerin, yeah, 64 bit is not quite ready, but these people are impatient, and the windows offering for 64 bit doesn't seem to work for any of their hardware, and most of the software only works in 32bit mode |
| 22:37.06 | Guerin | chewy: yes, and yes. |
| 22:37.12 | streuner | heh |
| 22:37.15 | Wyzard | chewy: largely for its "auto" flags and interactive dependency browsing |
| 22:37.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: This EBNF stuff seems complex |
| 22:37.26 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: why the fuck would you want to log in as root using sudo? |
| 22:37.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | This bitchy script that insists on it :P |
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| 22:37.53 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: why would you want to use a script which is so stupid? |
| 22:37.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | It won't let me use su |
| 22:38.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cause it saves me a few hours of work |
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| 22:38.17 | Aasgard | paste the script somewhere |
| 22:38.27 | doudou | guerin, how do i search? |
| 22:38.51 | Aasgard | CTRL+F in gtk+ apps |
| 22:38.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aasgard: You just gave me an idea. |
| 22:38.56 | drwahl | ok, wine is asking for libc6 2.4, and i have libc6 2.3, and apt says its up to date. is this correct? |
| 22:39.10 | streuner | drwahl: yes |
| 22:39.10 | Aasgard | Dark_Apostrophe, im liking it already :) |
| 22:39.17 | Guerin | doudou: read what dpkg fucking told you |
| 22:39.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | su - does the same as sudo, right? |
| 22:39.27 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not saving anything right now. |
| 22:39.27 | streuner | drwahl: where did you get this version of wine? |
| 22:39.31 | doudou | dpkg search |
| 22:39.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 22:39.32 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: no. |
| 22:39.38 | streuner | drwahl: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:39.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | What does? |
| 22:39.45 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: nothing does. |
| 22:39.51 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: what does this script do? |
| 22:39.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | I mean, log in and run a single command |
| 22:40.00 | drwahl | streuner: i got wine from http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/archive/index.html the first one under "Edgy" |
| 22:40.02 | markybob | doudou: /msg the bot if it's just information for yourself |
| 22:40.04 | ggeecko | is there a way i can have gmail to show in terminal on the desktop |
| 22:40.04 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: su -c does that |
| 22:40.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Compiles a whole bunch of stuff in a whole bunch of directories, and installs it |
| 22:40.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Ah, thanks |
| 22:40.32 | drwahl | streuner: and dpkg says: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared librari |
| 22:40.35 | doudou | dpkg listkeys dig |
| 22:40.37 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dig' by key (15 of 19): #debian audigy ;; #debian dig ;; _default audigy ;; _default indigo ;; audigy ;; dig ;; digging deeper ;; digital control ;; digital fortress ;; digital powerline ;; digitalis ;; digitalnation ;; indigoid ;; paradigm ;; prodigy. |
| 22:40.46 | markybob | doudou: /msg the bot, damnit |
| 22:40.47 | Guerin | doudou: message the fucking bot |
| 22:40.52 | Guerin | christ |
| 22:40.54 | streuner | drwahl: well, don't mix packages from different branches and/or from different distros |
| 22:40.54 | xingu | yetifoot: 64bit systems tend to have the disk space to accommodate a 32bit chroot as well as the dram to take the hit of running 2x the footprint of the various shared libraries; most of the drivel I've seen to date about 64bit being "hard" seems to be belched up by the sort of folk that find using google to search for prior art hard. |
| 22:41.02 | Guerin | anyone would think your nick is what's in your head |
| 22:41.18 | rpc | hm do you happen to know what is going on in here? |
| 22:41.18 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 22:41.18 | RichiH | Guerin: temper temper ;) |
| 22:41.18 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system. |
| 22:41.19 | rpc | Apr 22 00:06:31 mindstorm kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 22:41.21 | rpc | Apr 22 00:06:31 mindstorm kernel: e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex |
| 22:41.39 | drwahl | streuner: then how do you suggest i get a copy of wine on my machine? build from source? or is there a package for debian (other than ubuntu)? |
| 22:41.44 | doudou | guerin, how i know who is the bot |
| 22:41.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | It seems to be running... Let's see what happens when it gets to the installation part (the part that required sudo) |
| 22:41.52 | Guerin | doudou: dpkg is the bot |
| 22:42.33 | doudou | dpkg dig |
| 22:42.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 22:42.33 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 22:42.33 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 22:42.34 | yetifoot | xingu, yeah, i haven't found anything to be to difficult when i worked on some 64 bit machines, nothing 30 mins and google couldn't solve |
| 22:42.43 | doudou | dpkg gimmer |
| 22:42.45 | markybob | doudou: STOP |
| 22:43.45 | yetifoot | xingu, by not ready, i mean that there are still bugs to iron out in some of the software, due to silly programmers making 32bit assumptions |
| 22:45.01 | threw | Aasgard, i found the radical way to remove the python threat: rm -r / |
| 22:45.12 | xingu | yetifoot: my own mix hasn't exposed any to date I must confess |
| 22:45.19 | vn | threw: you forgot the f |
| 22:45.21 | Aasgard | yetifoot: its a c=3<<0xff?0xc3:0x45 issue ? |
| 22:46.00 | Aasgard | threw: haha, you shouldnt have installed it in the first place, thats the trick :) |
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| 22:46.02 | threw | vn, oops yes thanks Revolutionary colleague of the python diktat |
| 22:46.09 | yetifoot | Aasgard, xingu, I haven't investigated it deeply, I'm kind of assuming thats the problem, as the same software works flawlessly on the 32bit build |
| 22:46.14 | threw | Aasgard, :( |
| 22:46.19 | chewy | should i dl nvidia drivers from nvidia site or get a package? |
| 22:46.22 | Wyzard | yetifoot: I'm running 64-bit Debian and it seems fine to me |
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| 22:46.28 | Wyzard | chewy: Use the packages |
| 22:46.30 | krichie | www.krichie.extra.hu |
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| 22:46.52 | Aasgard | yetifoot: yeah, its clearly a case of hex |
| 22:46.58 | chewy | where? apt-get nvidia-glx isnt working |
| 22:46.58 | clars | how do i list users and group on the system? |
| 22:47.09 | Wyzard | chewy: "isn't working" in what way? |
| 22:47.15 | Wyzard | chewy: You also need nvidia-kernel, btw |
| 22:47.16 | yetifoot | Wyzard, I'm not trying to knock it really, 64bit debian is really good, but some of the software is still in unstable, and crashes, but mostly its great |
| 22:47.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm in dlvl:41 , telnet 80.219.76.102 27015 :) |
| 22:47.24 | chewy | says it cant find the package |
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| 22:47.32 | Wyzard | chewy: It's in non-free |
| 22:47.37 | Aasgard | Haha |
| 22:47.45 | vn | tarzeau: cs or cs:s? |
| 22:48.22 | tarzeau | vn: nethack :) |
| 22:48.50 | vn | ...blah |
| 22:49.16 | vn | oh well lets go out, nothing to do here |
| 22:49.21 | vn | even with that sprained ankle.. |
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| 22:51.29 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Out of curiosity, why aren't you picking up gold that's on the floor? |
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| 22:51.51 | Aasgard | Gould's! :) |
| 22:51.53 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i've bought all natural AC, the rest of the money is only burden |
| 22:52.01 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 22:52.02 | tarzeau | Wyzard: it's good for dying (or pointes, on the way back :) |
| 22:52.11 | vn | goa'uld? where? |
| 22:52.24 | Aasgard | on the floor i heard :P |
| 22:52.37 | vn | those are dead |
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| 22:52.44 | vn | goa'ulds live in bodies |
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| 22:52.57 | Aasgard | Aww, i wanted to poke one :) |
| 22:53.03 | yetifoot | i both love and hate that game, i've been playing it for years now and still haven't acsended |
| 22:53.09 | Nickiniz | I want to ask a question? |
| 22:53.10 | vn | well pokes tarzeau then |
| 22:53.13 | vn | -s |
| 22:53.22 | Nickiniz | I've just installed |
| 22:53.27 | Nickiniz | debian etch |
| 22:53.27 | chewy | maybe i need to change to universe/multiverse packages? i do not see non free |
| 22:53.31 | daeos | Wyzard: i got a header error |
| 22:53.39 | yetifoot | Nickiniz, don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 22:53.39 | vn | Nickiniz: great |
| 22:53.50 | Aasgard | add in all the verses i say! |
| 22:53.51 | Nickiniz | and cannot mount my partitions |
| 22:53.58 | Wyzard | daeos: oh, you need to install the headers package for your kernel |
| 22:54.07 | Nickiniz | how can i do? |
| 22:54.11 | vn | I have a question : I got a sprained ankle, what should I do and not do? |
| 22:54.12 | yetifoot | Nickiniz, are you new to linux in general? |
| 22:54.14 | Nickiniz | I have 3 dvd |
| 22:54.19 | Nickiniz | yes |
| 22:54.31 | yetifoot | do you know about fstab? |
| 22:54.36 | Wyzard | vn: do call a doctor, don't walk on it :-) |
| 22:54.40 | Aasgard | vn: dont saw it off for bad behaviour :=) |
| 22:54.42 | Nickiniz | I've heard but don't know |
| 22:54.53 | vn | thanks for the advices |
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| 22:54.56 | Aasgard | hehe |
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| 22:55.12 | reiser2 | hi |
| 22:55.14 | daeos | Wyzard: Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 22:55.16 | vn | yetifoot: chances are he's not sure how to setup partitions in the install |
| 22:55.35 | daeos | Wyzard: told me to install kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 22:55.39 | concept10 | !debootstrap |
| 22:55.39 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 22:55.39 | Wyzard | daeos: What kernel are you running? |
| 22:55.41 | Aasgard | vn: get all Married with children eps and watch then, by the time youve watched them all youll be well again |
| 22:55.48 | Aasgard | then/them |
| 22:56.03 | vn | eps being what? |
| 22:56.08 | Aasgard | episodes |
| 22:56.13 | Wyzard | daeos: Are you running sarge or etch? |
| 22:56.18 | vn | oh k |
| 22:56.20 | Aasgard | :) |
| 22:56.26 | vn | well I'm actually on Farscape |
| 22:56.32 | vn | I have 11 series in my queue |
| 22:56.36 | daeos | Wyzard: etch |
| 22:56.36 | vn | so...it'd take a while |
| 22:56.39 | obsethryl | peterS: are you around, or sleeping? |
| 22:56.53 | Nickiniz | Wyzard: What do you mean? I know enough to do it if you want to help me |
| 22:56.56 | Wyzard | daeos: etch's kernel is 2.6.18-4... 2.6.8-3 is sarge's kernel |
| 22:56.58 | vn | peterS has been idle 12hrs 8mins 30secs, signed on Sat Apr 21 03:39:20 |
| 22:57.18 | Aasgard | Im have bundy series 1-11 .. funny shit |
| 22:57.19 | obsethryl | i guess he is sleeping then, thanks vn |
| 22:57.23 | Wyzard | daeos: so packages for 2.6.8 are not available in etch |
| 22:57.25 | daeos | Wyzard: well i installed etch |
| 22:57.32 | Wyzard | daeos: Update your kernel |
| 22:57.33 | Nickiniz | I cannot mount even my other ext3 partition |
| 22:57.34 | vn | Wyzard: if I do a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch, will I have the same kernel at the reboot? |
| 22:57.47 | Wyzard | vn: I'm not sure whether it installs the new kernel automatically |
| 22:57.53 | daeos | Wyzard: i actually did that already |
| 22:58.03 | yetifoot | Nickiniz, theres a file /etc/fstab that is probably what you want to look at, to see if the partitions are known |
| 22:58.08 | Wyzard | daeos: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 22:58.12 | vn | k, cuz I did a dist-upgrade but didn't reboot |
| 22:58.19 | tarzeau | Wyzard: you know about the vibrating square? |
| 22:58.21 | Wyzard | vn: then you can check what kernel is installed |
| 22:58.33 | Wyzard | tarzeau: no, I've never heard of any vibrating square |
| 22:58.37 | vn | still my ol' 2.6.8 |
| 22:58.48 | daeos | Wyzard: doing that now |
| 22:58.51 | Wyzard | vn: That's the only kernel in /boot? |
| 22:58.55 | vn | uhm |
| 22:58.56 | Aasgard | upgrade, its got icmp issues |
| 22:59.09 | tarzeau | Wyzard: You feel a strange vibration under your feet. |
| 22:59.20 | Wyzard | vn: "uname -r" tells you what kernel you're currently running, not what kernels are installed |
| 22:59.22 | Wyzard | tarzeau: ah, nope |
| 22:59.30 | vn | k |
| 22:59.30 | Aasgard | It is I, thunderseat! :) |
| 22:59.31 | tarzeau | Wyzard: that's the place you need to find, in the deepest deepness of the dark deep dungeon |
| 22:59.49 | tarzeau | Wyzard: where you need the seven candles attached to the candelabrum and the book of dead |
| 23:00.03 | Wyzard | tarzeau: It's been a long time since I've played nethack, btw |
| 23:00.06 | tarzeau | Wyzard: SI TEH VERY MYSTICAL!!11 |
| 23:00.08 | vn | vn@sys6x:~$ ls /boot |
| 23:00.08 | vn | config-2.6.8-2-386 initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 grub System.map-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:00.10 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I mostly play tome |
| 23:00.27 | drwahl | i want to install wine on my 64bit lenny. if there is a .deb i can use, i can handle most of the installtion (i.e. install it in 32bit). if i have to install it from source, i would need some assistance. |
| 23:00.36 | Aasgard | Torcs is great |
| 23:00.46 | Aasgard | also check netpanzer |
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| 23:00.56 | Wyzard | vn: ok, so when you reboot it'll use your old kernel, but you'll probably want to install the newer one |
| 23:00.56 | Aasgard | and racer etc |
| 23:01.02 | vn | sounds like I'll have no kernel upgrade |
| 23:01.09 | tarzeau | Aasgard: tried brutalchess, mazeofgalious or supertransball2 yet? |
| 23:01.11 | vn | Wyzard: why? |
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| 23:01.21 | vn | ppl told me on this channel 2 weeks ago that I'm fine |
| 23:01.23 | yetifoot | Drwahl, i found WINE in unstable on etch, which i guess is kind of the same thing as lenny |
| 23:01.34 | Wyzard | vn: I don't think the current udev supports 2.6.8 |
| 23:01.41 | Aasgard | tarzeau: like battlechess on the Amiga ? |
| 23:01.42 | vn | udev being? |
| 23:01.55 | drwahl | yetifoot: did you get that from wines archives on winehq.com ? |
| 23:01.56 | Aasgard | tarzeau: that was cool |
| 23:02.04 | Wyzard | vn: dynamic /dev manager, involved in hotplugging |
| 23:02.10 | vn | oh |
| 23:02.17 | vn | don't rly need that then |
| 23:02.21 | tarzeau | Aasgard: yep |
| 23:02.22 | vn | old hardware, server |
| 23:02.30 | yetifoot | Drwahl, no it was in the debian amd64 etch unstable packages, maybe it was in contrib/non-free ? |
| 23:02.37 | vn | it's located on the other half of Earth |
| 23:02.44 | Aasgard | tarzeau: where can i find that battlechess game ? |
| 23:02.48 | Aasgard | brulatchess.. |
| 23:02.48 | Wyzard | vn: ok, but nonetheless, why *not* run the kernel that's supported in etch? |
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| 23:03.05 | Wyzard | vn: It's the one that'll be getting security updates, for one thing |
| 23:03.09 | vn | Wyzard: uh...cuz I'm afraid of kernel upgrades? |
| 23:03.11 | daeos | Wyzard: do i need to do an updatedb now after i did this? |
| 23:03.34 | mugwuffin | hi all, I just upgraded from 3 to 4 and have screwed up my sendmail install. How do i recreate my spool, mail and mqueue directories? |
| 23:03.42 | Wyzard | daeos: updatedb has nothing to do with nvidia working |
| 23:03.54 | Wyzard | vn: It's not that difficult... apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 23:03.54 | tarzeau | Aasgard: apt-get install brutalchess :) |
| 23:04.06 | yetifoot | drwahl, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/wine.html |
| 23:04.07 | Wyzard | vn: and assuming you're using GRUB, you'll still have your 2.6.8 available in case something goes wrong |
| 23:04.11 | daeos | Wyzard: im not doing anything with Nvidia |
| 23:04.28 | Wyzard | oops, I'm mixing up who's asking about what :-) |
| 23:04.30 | daeos | Wyzard: i can see you are confused, im doing the header upgrade |
| 23:04.31 | vn | Wyzard: sounds like I have grub but I'm not using it rly cuz linux's the only OS on the server |
| 23:04.33 | Aasgard | tarzeau: im expecting a new monitor for my Etch box any day now :) .. got an url ? |
| 23:04.56 | Wyzard | daeos: It has nothing to do with linux-wlan-ng either |
| 23:05.03 | vn | Wyzard: will I keep the same kernel configuration? |
| 23:05.19 | vn | Wyzard: and is it sure I won't get a kernel panic? |
| 23:05.41 | Wyzard | vn: You'll be using a stock Debian "support everything" kernel configuration, just like you were previously with sarge's kernel |
| 23:05.42 | drwahl | yetifoot: ok, this is where i get a little confused. if a package is on packages.debian.org, is there a way to get them via apt-get? |
| 23:06.18 | vn | Wyzard: I'm not even sure mine is stock |
| 23:06.23 | Aasgard | drwahl: you can click on any .deb file and most likely have it installed |
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| 23:06.44 | Wyzard | vn: If it's 2.6.8-3, it's stock -- the "-3" suffix is specific to the Debian package |
| 23:06.50 | vn | ok |
| 23:07.04 | Wyzard | vn: Unless you compiled a custom kernel with make-kpkg and specifically configured it to use a suffix of "-3", but you'd remember if you did that |
| 23:07.06 | vn | Linux sys6x 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:07.07 | yetifoot | Drwahl, sure, you just need to add unstable to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:07.13 | Wyzard | or -2, whatever |
| 23:07.57 | Aasgard | yetifoot: wheres a list of repos to add ? |
| 23:07.58 | Wyzard | vn: Using GRUB's boot menu, you can boot any kernel that's present in /boot, even if it's not the default |
| 23:08.01 | Aasgard | Wyzard: - is so microsoft :) |
| 23:08.09 | Wyzard | vn: so if 2.6.18 doesn't work for some reason, you can still boot your 2.6.8 |
| 23:08.12 | Aasgard | '-' |
| 23:08.20 | vn | Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk. <=== why a ramdisk? |
| 23:08.29 | drwahl | yetifoot: arg... i thought "unstable" was already in there :) thanks again |
| 23:08.29 | yetifoot | Aasgard, for what? when i did it, i just copied the lines in sources.list that refered to etch, and changed them to 'unstable' instead of etch |
| 23:08.34 | vn | Wyzard: the thing is, I don't have physical access to the machine |
| 23:08.48 | vn | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:08.48 | vn | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 23:08.50 | Wyzard | vn: That's needed for booting, because the IDE/SCSI drivers are modules |
| 23:08.51 | daeos | Wyzard: when i do any update.... or install new packages. .. i find it a habit to do a updatedb |
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| 23:09.14 | Aasgard | yetifoot: i didnt get an ip when i installed etch so i didnt get an internet repo :( |
| 23:09.15 | Wyzard | vn: If it's a colocated server and you need to boot 2.6.8 you might need to call and get a technician to use the arrow keys while the machine reboots |
| 23:09.30 | vn | Wyzard: ok but if I do a reboot...will it run in the standard runlevel? or some ramdisk based setup? |
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| 23:09.43 | daeos | Wyzard: my headers still say 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 23:10.31 | vn | I don't want to call there, my persian is so rusty now :\ |
| 23:10.35 | Wyzard | vn: It's an initrd, for booting the system... you were using one with 2.6.8 too |
| 23:10.41 | vn | ok |
| 23:10.45 | yetifoot | Aasgard, ah, thats a pain, i forget the ones for amd64 now, i think they were different, i'm on a 32bit machine now |
| 23:10.47 | drwahl | yetifoot: "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main unstable" and apt-get update returns 404 not found, did i add unstable in the wrong place? |
| 23:10.49 | rpc | can someone please explain to me what quirk is? like in this quote: "quirks are sometimes required in |
| 23:10.50 | rpc | IO-APIC mode |
| 23:10.52 | rpc | "? |
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| 23:11.07 | yetifoot | Drwahl, change 'lenny' to 'unstable' |
| 23:11.17 | Wyzard | vn: It's basically just a way for the kernel to have access to IDE/SCSI drivers before the root filesystem is mounted (since mounting the root filesystem requires having those drivers already loaded) |
| 23:11.25 | Topuzoglu | I cannot mount my partitions |
| 23:11.27 | vn | ok |
| 23:11.31 | Aasgard | yetifoot: that should be labeled "Extremely urgent - i cant update my system" kinda urgent |
| 23:11.34 | rpc | and if "quirk" has to do with: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out ? |
| 23:11.37 | vn | I'll wait monday to reboot, thanks |
| 23:11.42 | Wyzard | daeos: You're running sarge's kernel too... you need to update to etch's 2.6.18-4 |
| 23:11.48 | Topuzoglu | could you help me? |
| 23:11.49 | Wyzard | daeos: etch does not have packages for 2.6.8 |
| 23:12.17 | daeos | Wyzard: i did the commands you told me, and i was under the impression that it would update my headers... |
| 23:12.28 | concept10 | may LVM partitions be resized? |
| 23:12.28 | vn | udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.15, not started. |
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| 23:12.36 | vn | like that |
| 23:12.37 | daeos | Wyzard: how can i stop the sarge kernal from running and run only etch? |
| 23:12.43 | Wyzard | daeos: You're referring to module-assistant, right? |
| 23:12.48 | daeos | Wyzard: yes |
| 23:12.59 | yetifoot | Aasgard, this is what i have if it helps deb ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:13.09 | Wyzard | daeos: module-assistant requires headers for the kernel you are running, and you are running 2.6.8, for which no headers package is available anymore |
| 23:13.33 | yetifoot | Aasgard, and also deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 23:13.34 | Aasgard | devs: make a new install ALWAYS have an internet repo! (VIP) |
| 23:13.35 | mugwuffin | hi, I'm having problems setting up postfix on etch, i get the message "fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory" - how cna i set that up? I'm not finding much of use on google |
| 23:13.38 | Wyzard | daeos: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 23:13.45 | Aasgard | yetifoot: yeah |
| 23:13.51 | Wyzard | daeos: then reboot, so you're actually running the new kernel you installed |
| 23:14.04 | daeos | Wyzard: ok |
| 23:14.14 | Aasgard | yetifoot: my etch just installs from the dvd.. never internet |
| 23:14.46 | daeos | Wyzard: i'll be back after i reboot |
| 23:14.48 | Wyzard | daeos: Then run module-assistant again |
| 23:14.58 | yetifoot | Aasgard, i agree, i think last time i did that, it included a commented updates line, but not the main repo |
| 23:15.25 | Aasgard | yetifoot: i dont have any commented repos.. :( |
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| 23:15.50 | yetifoot | Aasgard, demand your money back! |
| 23:15.57 | Aasgard | Haha :) |
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| 23:16.11 | Samus_Aran | does "apt-cache pkgnames" display a list of installed packages, or available packages ? the man page is unclear on this: "This command prints the name of each package in the system." |
| 23:16.46 | yetifoot | Aasgard, at least you can get online, i once had a terrible problem, where i didn't have a modem driver, and couldn't get online to get one without one |
| 23:16.53 | Aasgard | nope, its an easy fix... problem is, what evil didnt put it there in the first place :) |
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| 23:17.13 | Aasgard | yetifoot: yes, the evil daze :) |
| 23:17.29 | brendonjt | good mrning all |
| 23:17.35 | brendonjt | opps mrning |
| 23:17.42 | Aasgard | 2 or more modems though.. and no problem :) |
| 23:17.43 | brendonjt | morning |
| 23:17.45 | yetifoot | Aasgard, i'm still in the evil daze, until my broadband gets installed on the 1st, i've been using 14.4 for an age |
| 23:18.00 | Aasgard | wow, thats phat dude |
| 23:18.38 | Aasgard | Theres an NMT widerange 1mbit or so coming for those places though |
| 23:18.47 | yetifoot | Aasgard, yeah, i only tend to use a couple of forums, and IRC so i don't really notice, but its always nice to have the choice to play online games/watch videos etc |
| 23:19.00 | Aasgard | intarweps fur alle my ass :) |
| 23:19.14 | drwahl | hmm... i think i just did a bad thing.... after changing the sources to "unstable" it tried to install wine, and it said there were some errors and do apt-get -f install, so i did, and it said "blah, blah, blah: this could be bad, type: Yes, do as I say!" so i did... |
| 23:19.15 | BUMBACL0T | how do you uncompress bzip2/bz2? |
| 23:19.17 | Aasgard | yetifoot: indeed |
| 23:19.23 | yetifoot | broadband has been available for ages here, i've just been cheap, and waited until its free |
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| 23:19.34 | chewy | i never selected a mirror during install, thought id be ok... i try apt-get install netselect but the package isnt found...i do not see non-free in my repositoy, is it bcs i havent enabled non-free packages? |
| 23:19.35 | mugwuffin | can anyone help me set up my MTA? I cant receive any mail, getting collect: Cannot write ./dfl3LNIHfv003898 (bfcommit, uid=0, gid=102): Permission denied and cant work out why |
| 23:19.38 | Aasgard | BUMBACL0T: tar -xfj file.tar.bz |
| 23:19.51 | yetifoot | lol, bumbaclot = bum cloth? |
| 23:19.51 | Aasgard | 2 |
| 23:20.01 | Aasgard | heh |
| 23:20.29 | BUMBACL0T | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 23:20.29 | BUMBACL0T | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 23:20.38 | yetifoot | i just use man tar everytime i use it, remembering command lines is not a strong point |
| 23:21.18 | brendonjt | how do I use my Blackberry with debian |
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| 23:22.48 | rpc | folks, can someone please explain to me what watchdog is? |
| 23:22.56 | rpc | in the sense of networking |
| 23:23.28 | rpc | i'm trying to understand this: kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 23:23.38 | rpc | what exactly is going on? |
| 23:23.45 | kspath | lesbian? |
| 23:23.50 | azeem | kspath: ? |
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| 23:24.04 | kspath | gey? |
| 23:24.10 | dmilith | ;>> |
| 23:24.18 | rpc | kspath if you are horny just try another chan |
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| 23:24.22 | Aasgard | raasclat: im gonna try a weird 3cl vodka-kiwi bottle that i have housed in my fridge for 3 months, should my head fall onto the keyboard.. call the coroners office :P |
| 23:24.35 | kspath | just wondering |
| 23:24.38 | azeem | kspath: please stay on topic |
| 23:24.59 | raasclat | Aasgard, i will, but unfortunatly, i don't know where to send them, so you will rot until the neighbours kick the door in due to the smell |
| 23:25.23 | kspath | azeem: sorry I was idle and a buddy walked up to my iBook and started messing around |
| 23:25.33 | Aasgard | raasclat: it tastes neat! :) |
| 23:25.38 | colher_de_pau | what is the brazilian #debian?! |
| 23:25.41 | colher_de_pau | anyone knows? |
| 23:25.45 | azeem | !br |
| 23:25.45 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 23:25.48 | ma3x | how do I run 'iceweasel' when I chroot to a i386 partition? (hence it says (firefox-bin:4630): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:) |
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| 23:26.14 | alamar | hi - I just tried to compile a cpp program ("#include <iostream> \n int main(){return 0;}") and got this error:"/usr/include/c++/3.3/cstdlib:114: error: `system' not declared" in line 114(135 with 4.1) of this file "using ::system;" commenting this out everything works fine - I had this problem with g++-3.3 and 4.1 running etch - the file belongs to the libstdc++6-4.1-dev pkg - is this a known issue or do I just do something wrong? |
| 23:26.23 | xingu | ma3x: DISPLAY=:0.0 iceweasel & |
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| 23:26.49 | Aasgard | ma3x: annoying isnt it.. |
| 23:27.06 | azeem | alamar: you're probably doing something wrong |
| 23:27.09 | Aasgard | Again.. users choise |
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| 23:27.15 | xingu | Aasgard: manageable, if you set up schroot. |
| 23:27.17 | alamar | azeem: I can't imagine what though |
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| 23:27.27 | azeem | alamar: how do you compile the program? |
| 23:27.29 | ma3x | xingu, still won't run |
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| 23:27.33 | alamar | g++ test.cc |
| 23:27.39 | Aasgard | xingu: annoying feature, yeah |
| 23:27.51 | alamar | and /usr/bin/g++-3.3 test.cc |
| 23:28.53 | ma3x | xingu, let me explain: I run 64 bit deb and i have 2nd partition (386 deb). what should I do to run iceweasel from the i386? I chroot and then? |
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| 23:32.26 | xingu | ma3x: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/356 |
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| 23:33.43 | xingu | ma3x: you need to copy your shadow, passwd, group, gshadow files into the chroot and also bind mount tmp and home |
| 23:34.00 | xingu | ma3x: then su to your user account within the chroot, set DISPLAY, and away you go. |
| 23:34.08 | ma3x | xingu, sounds complicated ... |
| 23:34.15 | xingu | sacre bleu |
| 23:34.26 | xingu | you're right, it's probably better to give up and go shopping |
| 23:34.30 | ma3x | heh |
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| 23:35.30 | Aasgard | ma3x: compile ice weasel for 64bit pewny platform :) |
| 23:35.42 | ma3x | Aasgard, I already got 64 bit iceweasel |
| 23:35.50 | Aasgard | i have 1024 bit |
| 23:35.52 | ma3x | I ride it every day :p |
| 23:35.56 | ma3x | you got nothing! |
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| 23:36.12 | Aasgard | pwn you i do :) |
| 23:36.20 | xingu | ma3x: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292281 <-- is the one I was thinking of, but it's essentially the same. |
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| 23:37.07 | ma3x | what if I already got the i386 installed? I skip the debootstrap part? |
| 23:37.18 | acu | I want to create a web interface to a postgresql. I have apache and php5 - any hint of some automatic php generator - I guess that there are no ready made forms which you could download and customize ? |
| 23:38.03 | kennethd | I'm following this guide http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm to set up a degraded RAID1 array on an etch system, and have gotten to the point where all of my sdaX data is copied over to the new mdX devices, and the next step is to edit lilo.conf to set root=md1 -- however, I do not use lilo or grub, so is there something I have to do to re-write the mbr? |
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| 23:38.20 | tdn | PumpkinPie, ok. Thanks. |
| 23:38.46 | Wyzard | kennethd: How do you boot the system if you don't use lilo or grub? |
| 23:39.36 | Wyzard | kennethd: btw, etch's installer supports creating RAID arrays during installation |
| 23:39.42 | kennethd | Wyzard: I think the debian-installer just wrote something to the mbr? I don't know, until just now I always assumed grub had been installed |
| 23:39.59 | Wyzard | kennethd: If you installed Debian from CD, you're most likely using GRUB, or possibly LILO |
| 23:40.28 | Wyzard | kennethd: If you're booting from a hard drive, rather than netbooting or running in Xen or something, you're definitely using a bootloader of some sort |
| 23:40.53 | Aasgard | the crypto formatting took so long time i had to abort (200gb drive) /note |
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| 23:41.25 | Wyzard | Aasgard: crypto "formatting" doesn't take any time at all... it just writes some metadata at the beginning of the device |
| 23:41.38 | kennethd | Wyzard: I installed from cd, but neither package is installed. It boots fine from the sda1 partition, but now I want to change it to md1 |
| 23:41.43 | Wyzard | Aasgard: I'm using crypto on a 1.5TB RAID-5 array |
| 23:41.59 | Aasgard | Now i shall try a "3cl Vodka-Curacao".. its like a mystery prize :) |
| 23:42.09 | Wyzard | kennethd: If "grub" is not installed then you must've removed it at some point... does /boot/grub/menu.lst exist? |
| 23:42.32 | Aasgard | Wyzard: it did take an awesome amount of time.. and im really patient |
| 23:42.58 | Aasgard | anyone else seen that ? |
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| 23:43.41 | kennethd | Wyzard: ah, yes, that file exists. I was looking in /etc for it. the package is marked as purged for some reason, I will re-install it |
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| 23:44.36 | Wyzard | kennethd: Find the "kopt=root=" line in /boot/grub/menu.lst, and change that to your md1 |
| 23:44.41 | Wyzard | kennethd: then run update-grub |
| 23:44.48 | Wyzard | kennethd: (btw, wouldn't it be md0?) |
| 23:45.16 | Aasgard | you dont have to update after editing the grub menu (menu.lst) |
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| 23:46.25 | Wyzard | Aasgard: update-grub regenerates the actual boot stanzas from the special comment lines |
| 23:47.40 | Wyzard | Aasgard: He needs to edit the special comment line so that the change doesn't vanish next time he updates the kernel, and he could also update the stanzas directly, but it's simpler to just run update-grub |
| 23:47.40 | Aasgard | Wyzard: what does it alter.. should never be required to run anything after editing menu.lst/grub.conf |
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| 23:48.46 | Wyzard | Aasgard: man update-grub |
| 23:49.03 | Onur | Hi. I am ban a ip from iptables. But can i ban a ip range from iptables? |
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| 23:49.10 | Wyzard | Aasgard: It's a tool that looks in /boot, finds whatever kernels are there, and generates stanzas for them in menu.lst |
| 23:49.41 | Aasgard | Wyzard: aha, but editing the conf correctly also does the trick |
| 23:49.51 | Wyzard | Aasgard: It's not necessary to reinstall GRUB to the MBR, but the config file does have to reflect what kernel you want to boot |
| 23:50.02 | Wyzard | Aasgard: yes, like I said, he could just edit the kernel stanza directly |
| 23:50.17 | Wyzard | Aasgard: but it's simpler to just edit the one line that update-grub will look at, and then run update-grub |
| 23:50.47 | Aasgard | grub only resides in the mbr and from there reads menu.lst on the drive its started from (the boot drive) |
| 23:51.19 | Aasgard | Wyzard, yeah.. people can misconfigure so the update thingy can be neat i guess |
| 23:51.27 | Aasgard | but, not required |
| 23:51.29 | Aasgard | :) |
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| 23:52.25 | Zancat | hi, I need to know what I should put for a mount point for /dev/hdb1 in /etc/fstab |
| 23:52.40 | Wyzard | Zancat: What does that partition contain? |
| 23:52.53 | Zancat | files, folders, etc |
| 23:53.06 | Zancat | its formated FAT32 |
| 23:53.07 | vn | what kind |
| 23:53.08 | vn | porn? |
| 23:53.12 | Zancat | hahaha |
| 23:53.17 | Aasgard | Zancat: filesystem.. pr0n warez :) |
| 23:53.23 | Wyzard | Zancat: OK, so it's not part of the OS or your home directory or anything, just personal file storage |
| 23:53.35 | Wyzard | Zancat: I'd make a subdirectory of /mnt |
| 23:53.38 | lupine_85 | /dev/hdb1 <mount point> vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000 1 2 (probably) |
| 23:53.52 | Zancat | I use it to share files between my guest PCs and my Mac |
| 23:53.52 | Wyzard | /mnt/mystuff or whatever |
| 23:54.31 | vn | uhm...maple smoked salmon salad or salmon with veggies rice and fries? or bagel bagel with fries? |
| 23:54.43 | vn | -bagel |
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| 23:55.19 | dezent | bagel with fries ? |
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| 23:55.47 | Aasgard | Beagle blows :) |
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| 23:55.59 | dezent | sounds american.. :) |
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| 23:56.23 | raasclat | beagle and fries sounds tasty |
| 23:56.33 | Aasgard | LakeTittiekaka? :) |
| 23:56.48 | Aasgard | cake |
| 23:56.57 | azeem | Aasgard: please keep it on topic |
| 23:57.07 | Aasgard | oh, sorry.. i will |
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| 23:57.39 | Zancat | ugh, gedit won't let me save fstab |
| 23:57.47 | Zancat | I'm not root :( |
| 23:58.07 | azeem | Zancat: then try run it with sudo |
| 23:58.08 | Aasgard | 'su -' |
| 23:58.08 | dezent | Zancat: try as user root ! |
| 23:58.17 | Aasgard | gedit /etc/fstab |
| 23:58.33 | Zancat | uh, how do I use sudo in gnome? |
| 23:58.39 | Zancat | ok |
| 23:58.39 | dezent | in xterm |
| 23:58.42 | dezent | or gterm |
| 23:58.50 | Aasgard | gnome-terminal |
| 23:59.02 | dezent | aah |
| 23:59.08 | dezent | never use X11 |
| 23:59.17 | Aasgard | Its teh neat |
| 23:59.37 | dezent | i use osx for desktop |
| 23:59.52 | Aasgard | 'mc-edit /etc/fstab' is also nice |
