| 00:00.45 | mindframe_ | anything to worry about when going from etch -> sid on amd64 ? |
| 00:01.24 | mfrisch | mindframe_: shouldn't be |
| 00:01.32 | ehc | What does anyone think is a good programming language to teach to beginning high school students? |
| 00:02.04 | mfrisch | ehc: shell scripting? |
| 00:02.21 | Vladi | jimmybgood: thx |
| 00:02.26 | MmikeDOMA | jimmybgood, why not /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 00:02.33 | ehc | no, more as in programming applications |
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| 00:05.44 | jimmybgood | MmikeDOMA: I believe sysctl.conf controls the proc pdeudo filesystem not the sys |
| 00:05.47 | mindframe_ | what about security updates in sid? apt-get update says it cant get packages.gz or sources.gz |
| 00:06.08 | Kenny` | When the gnome 2.18 will be released at unstable or experimental or someone else? |
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| 00:06.30 | mfrisch | mindframe_: maybe you shouldn't use sid maybe? |
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| 00:09.47 | mindframe_ | mfrisch, i want to break something |
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| 00:10.13 | mfrisch | mindframe_: sid has no security updates. |
| 00:10.48 | jimmybgood | mfrisch: but man, if not most security updates go into sid first |
| 00:10.51 | mindframe_ | thats what i figured |
| 00:11.13 | mindframe_ | debian page says it doesnt receive them in a timely manner |
| 00:11.19 | mfrisch | jimmybgood: ok sid has no security mirror with updates |
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| 00:11.50 | MmikeDOMA | ehc, python |
| 00:12.06 | ehc | okay |
| 00:12.46 | jimmybgood | mfrisch: yes, that's correct. but when I check security vulnerabilities, sid usually looks better than etch |
| 00:13.16 | Guerin | well, duh |
| 00:13.23 | Guerin | sid gets security updates asap |
| 00:13.23 | mfrisch | jimmybgood: hopefully ;-) |
| 00:13.33 | Guerin | etch gets them once they're well-tested, if at all |
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| 00:19.14 | jimmybgood | Guerin: actually there are testing security updates independent of sid trickle |
| 00:19.43 | karihre | let's say I have a server hosting many vservers and I wan't each of those vservers to have a local ip which is only routed internally between the servers and not outputted to a physical network card, could I do this by creating a virtual network card (tun/tap?) on the host system and then every server would use that virtual interface? (sorry for confusing question) |
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| 00:20.36 | karihre | so all the vservers would be on an internal "lan" that never has anything to do with real hardware |
| 00:20.39 | Guerin | jimmybgood: yes, although you can't rely upon them |
| 00:21.09 | jimmybgood | The testing security team last released Jan 20, 2006 |
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| 00:21.10 | kiba-kun | my kicker is gone |
| 00:21.11 | kiba-kun | how to get it back? |
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| 00:21.17 | jimmybgood | I thought they were more active than that |
| 00:21.30 | mfrisch | kiba-kun: run kicker? |
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| 00:21.50 | kiba-kun | oh |
| 00:22.24 | mfrisch | karsten: xen does bridged virtual connections for its vservers |
| 00:22.50 | mfrisch | karihre: ^^^^^ |
| 00:24.36 | karihre | mfrisch: hmm ok, but it is not possible to create just a simple virtual network interface on the host system that all the servers use to communicate through? (would like to avoid xen if possible) |
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| 00:25.37 | mfrisch | karihre: maybe but xen does it automatically. |
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| 00:42.01 | cafuego_ | karihre: Don't bother with tun/tap, just alias an existing interface. |
| 00:42.29 | cafuego_ | karihre: ifconfig eth0:0 10.0.0.1 |
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| 00:42.57 | cafuego_ | Add more ad nauseam if required. You cna have apache listen on the REAL ip as well and proxy forward requests to various virtual IPs. |
| 00:44.46 | aixing | he guys, how can I find out what option where added to a './configure' script? |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | do you still have the source ? |
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| 00:45.59 | aixing | yes i do |
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| 00:46.12 | \amethyst | aixing: grep '^Configured' config.log |
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| 00:46.36 | aixing | k thanks |
| 00:46.44 | \amethyst | aixing: that also includes automatically-selected options |
| 00:46.56 | aixing | ok |
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| 00:47.47 | concept10 | what mozilla-plugin handles video the best? vlc, mplayer, totem? I get toooooo many segfaults with VLC.. need recommendation |
| 00:48.43 | abrotman | eh .. the totem one seems to work okay for me .. but it probably depends on the media file |
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| 00:49.09 | concept10 | abrotman, are you using totem gstreamer or xine backend? |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | all these tough questions! |
| 00:49.41 | abrotman | xine apparently |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | concept10: i think i decided that gstreamer didn't support as many codecs as w32codecs (yet) |
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| 00:50.44 | abrotman | as much as i don't like using them |
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| 00:51.03 | concept10 | gstreamer has some wrapper for w32 AFAIK |
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| 00:51.38 | Palish | Hey all.. I'm using debian etch. I'm trying to upgrade mysql from 4 to 5, but "apt-get upgrade mysql" doesn't do that. Does anyone have any reccomendations? |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | concept10: this was awhile ago that i switched back |
| 00:51.49 | \amethyst | If you don't mind opening videos outside the browser, there's also the mediaplayerconnectivity extension |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | Palish: apt-get install mysql ? |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | there is no 'upgrade' |
| 00:52.11 | abrotman | !tell Palish about sarge->etch |
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| 00:52.26 | Palish | "Package mysql has no installation candidate" |
| 00:52.42 | abrotman | it's not called mysql |
| 00:52.47 | gholm | hey all, my / is 100% full, but I can't seem to find what is so big. Is there a simpler version of du to tell me which directory is the biggest? |
| 00:52.49 | abrotman | it's uhm .. mysql-server or some crap |
| 00:52.52 | abrotman | apt-cache search mysql |
| 00:52.54 | \amethyst | mysql-server-5.0 |
| 00:52.59 | dondelelcaro | gholm: du -hs *; FE. |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | gholm: cd / ; ls | xargs du -sk |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | or -sh |
| 00:53.30 | chadmaynard | Palish: so i had the name wrong. sue me |
| 00:53.30 | Palish | should I uninstall the current mysql first somehow? |
| 00:53.38 | dondelelcaro | Palish: no |
| 00:53.38 | Palish | it's okay, I did too.. |
| 00:53.49 | gholm | abrotman: and dondelelcaro cheers will try |
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| 00:54.59 | Palish | err. Hehe. Is there a way to stop installation while it's downloading? ctrl-c bad? |
| 00:55.13 | jhasse | When i try to install i get note: "libdbus-1-dev set to manual installed." What does that mean? |
| 00:55.14 | Palish | ehh, nevermind. |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | downloading .. ctrl-c is fine .. actually installing .. ctrl-c is really bad |
| 00:55.45 | Palish | hehe. Noted |
| 00:56.05 | gholm | dondelelcaro: that just throws me a total of ALL disks. Can du do sort by largest? nothing in man about sorting |
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| 00:57.55 | Palish | Oh boy |
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| 00:58.04 | Palish | Okay, so it asked me whether or not I want to accept connections from 'sarge' or older |
| 00:58.06 | Palish | I told it no, since I'm on etch |
| 00:58.12 | Palish | except Rails mysql adapter does it the old way |
| 00:58.14 | Palish | so now it breaks. |
| 00:58.17 | abrotman | gholm: just pgup |
| 00:58.24 | Palish | How would I uninstall mysql-server-5.0 and reinstall it? |
| 00:58.27 | Palish | so I can choose 'yes' to that option |
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| 00:58.44 | abrotman | when it's done .. dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | Palish: are you the admin ? |
| 00:58.51 | Palish | yes |
| 00:58.57 | gholm | abrotman: pgup? |
| 00:59.05 | karihre | cafuego_: yes it seems that is the best solution (to add it to eth0), tell me, if I have some vservers using 10. based addresses on the eth0 interface, could they conflict with another computer on the other end of that interface if it has the same 10. address as some vserver? |
| 00:59.14 | gholm | abrotman: oh page up sorry |
| 00:59.15 | Palish | Crap! |
| 00:59.21 | Palish | it didn't ask me for that config this time |
| 00:59.22 | cafuego_ | karihre: Yes |
| 00:59.23 | Palish | it auto saved the config |
| 00:59.27 | Palish | darn darn.. |
| 00:59.28 | Guerin | graah, i have this ralink 2570 wireles usb stick, which I know works in linux, but after building and loading the module, the device doesn't come up |
| 00:59.46 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 00:59.50 | cafuego_ | karihre: ... so make sure you use a subnet that's not yet in suse |
| 00:59.53 | cafuego_ | use |
| 01:00.13 | Palish | Oh, it's just this. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/old-client.html |
| 01:00.29 | karihre | cafuego_: that is the problem, I don't know which subnets are in use at the hosting location |
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| 01:00.39 | Guerin | abrotman: usbcore registered new driver rt2570 |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | that's good no ? |
| 01:01.00 | Dreamlinux | hi.. |
| 01:01.01 | Guerin | it all seems to be normal, but I don't see an eth1 or any such in ficonfig -a |
| 01:01.13 | abrotman | is there another module to load ? |
| 01:01.14 | cafuego_ | karihre: Do any of the vhosts ever need to talk to a box on a 10.x address that you do *not* control yourself? |
| 01:01.24 | Guerin | nttbomk |
| 01:01.36 | Dreamlinux | anyone of your, hava a repo for gnome 2.16 in debian etch? thank :) |
| 01:01.58 | karihre | cafuego_: no, the box has two external ip addressess assigned and they are real starting with 85. something |
| 01:02.06 | abrotman | Guerin: no docs ? |
| 01:02.14 | cafuego_ | karihre: Then I wouldn't worry about it |
| 01:03.25 | Guerin | abrotman: not really |
| 01:03.30 | karihre | cafuego_: hmm ok |
| 01:03.38 | abrotman | Guerin: crap device .. get a real one! :) |
| 01:03.53 | Dreamlinux | anyone..?? |
| 01:03.55 | Guerin | yeh, harder than you might think in NZ |
| 01:03.57 | karihre | cafuego_: thank you! |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | Guerin: if i can get real beer .. you can get a real device :) |
| 01:04.47 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:04.59 | Guerin | i do have a real one - based on the same chip family |
| 01:05.09 | Guerin | i got this one because it's known to work! |
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| 01:05.40 | Dreamlinux | jojo ... cyas.. |
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| 01:05.57 | abrotman | Guerin: you used m-a ? |
| 01:06.10 | Guerin | abrotman: i did. |
| 01:06.44 | \amethyst | karihre: do these vhosts need to be accessible from other machines? |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | iwconfig show anything ? though i doubt it'd be any different than ifconfig |
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| 01:07.08 | \amethyst | karihre: Directly, I mean |
| 01:07.35 | Guerin | abrotman: yeh, nothing. |
| 01:07.38 | Guerin | i blame usb |
| 01:07.50 | karihre | amethyst: no, all communication to the computer will be done via two vservers that will also have an external ip |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | i blame windows |
| 01:07.54 | \amethyst | karihre: I'd put them vhost IPs in 127.0.0.0/8 then |
| 01:08.09 | concept10 | Say for example I do this: locate foo. it returns one 1 entry _bar_. How do I then copy the output of that command with the next command in the shell? For example rm $last output. |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | modprobe rt2750 debug=1 ? |
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| 01:08.22 | abrotman | concept10: | |
| 01:08.33 | \amethyst | karihre: you can set aside, say, 127.128.0.0/16 for the vhosts, and it won't collide with 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:08.49 | karihre | amethyst: hmm ok, I thought that was like, reserved for loopback only? or is that just the single ip? |
| 01:09.00 | \amethyst | karihre: It is loopback |
| 01:09.09 | concept10 | abrotman, is that bash only? |
| 01:09.10 | karihre | amethyst: so I would just have all vservers on lo:0 with another ip |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | no |
| 01:09.29 | \amethyst | karihre: that's what I'd do. No reason to put them on an ethernet |
| 01:09.33 | concept10 | abrotman, never mind, wrong channel (i thought i pasted to zsh) |
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| 01:10.12 | karihre | amethyst: yeah that is true, didn't think it was "good" to put anything on the 127.0.0.0/8 subnet |
| 01:10.21 | \amethyst | That's what it's for :) |
| 01:11.01 | concept10 | zshell's manpage is THE longest manpage ever |
| 01:11.24 | \amethyst | concept10: perlfunc |
| 01:11.30 | abrotman | Guerin: ? |
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| 01:11.46 | karihre | amethyst: I suppose that sounds like the answer to all of my dreams, thank you : ) |
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| 01:12.07 | amphi | concept10: have you looked at man mplayer? it's no slouch |
| 01:12.25 | \amethyst | amphi: wow, it's bigger than perlfunc! |
| 01:12.42 | concept10 | amphi, dont have mplayer. how big is it? |
| 01:12.45 | amphi | \amethyst: it's man mencoder as well |
| 01:12.56 | Guerin | abrotman: samesame |
| 01:12.58 | aixing | '\amethyst: ran the cmd, but nothing showed up as there was no config.log. I did find a config.err file with an instersting entry i would like to show you and ask a question about. |
| 01:13.06 | aixing | I wil get paste link in a sec |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | Guerin: the debug=1 does nothing ? |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | Guerin: lsmod .. is it still actually loaded ? |
| 01:13.22 | amphi | concept10: 7882 lines in an 80-column term |
| 01:13.35 | Guerin | abrotman: yes, it loads, but no forther information is forthcoming |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | damn forther |
| 01:13.54 | concept10 | man zshall is 15000 lines of awesome mind blowing shell goodness |
| 01:14.55 | \amethyst | concept10: my zsh has its man pages split |
| 01:15.04 | \amethyst | al |
| 01:15.09 | \amethyst | ah, all |
| 01:15.22 | \amethyst | 20664 lines here :) |
| 01:15.29 | abrotman | Guerin: yeah .. kind of light on details |
| 01:15.35 | Guerin | innit |
| 01:15.35 | amphi | concept10: over 20000 here ;) |
| 01:15.47 | concept10 | damn! |
| 01:15.53 | Caelum | how come xine and totem don't give me any sound for .flv files, and mplayer just crashes |
| 01:16.00 | abrotman | Guerin: though it implies it'd be eth# |
| 01:16.25 | concept10 | I shall then crown zsh the King of POSIX |
| 01:16.26 | \amethyst | concept10: They don't even attempt an all-in-one in Perl. It'd crash troff :) |
| 01:16.39 | \amethyst | s/in P/for p/ |
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| 01:18.12 | aixing | '\amethyst: link here (http://channels.debian.net/paste/5949) does the 'CONFIG_LIST' refer to installed or available? |
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| 01:18.16 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:18.22 | Guerin | abrotman: this may be the answer |
| 01:18.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:18.41 | Guerin | abrotman: asus make several different sticks with the same model name, etc, but different chipsets |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | Guerin: i was about to check the supported hardware list :) |
| 01:19.10 | concept10 | you could spend 30 years learning UNIX and still be a noob. The amount of complexity and components seem to have no end. |
| 01:19.12 | Guerin | yeh |
| 01:19.21 | Guerin | i just googled the vendor/device id |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | Guerin: AFAICT .. the 2750 doesn't do asus at all |
| 01:19.31 | abrotman | what is the device id ? |
| 01:19.40 | Guerin | i tell ya, one thing the ubuntu fora are good for is stuff like this |
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| 01:19.49 | Guerin | abrotman: 0b05:1723 |
| 01:19.59 | Guerin | looks like rt73 is the driver for me |
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| 01:20.12 | abrotman | ah |
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| 01:20.31 | abrotman | that sounds like more fun! |
| 01:20.31 | concept10 | Guerin, don't bring that ubuntu fanboyism in here |
| 01:20.47 | Guerin | concept10: yeah, because i'm the world's #1 ubuntu fanboi |
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| 01:21.16 | \amethyst | concept10: that's not fanboyism |
| 01:21.41 | aixing | amethyst: you get link? |
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| 01:21.57 | \amethyst | aixing: missed it, what was it again? |
| 01:22.04 | aixing | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5949 |
| 01:22.11 | \amethyst | concept10: I've gotten plenty of useful info from the Ubuntu forums, and I don't use Ubuntu :) |
| 01:22.49 | \amethyst | aixing: that's the whole file? it ends with a colon on a line by itself? |
| 01:22.52 | aixing | question was: does the 'CONFIG_LIST' refer to installed options or available in your opinion |
| 01:23.01 | aixing | no there was more |
| 01:23.14 | aixing | in fact it's very long |
| 01:23.19 | concept10 | \amethyst, i was j/k. They do have a good wiki imho. Along with Debians wiki and a couple of more pages, its all you ever need |
| 01:23.31 | aixing | I can past the whole thing if you want and get you another link |
| 01:23.34 | \amethyst | aixing: probably the list of directories to configure |
| 01:23.42 | \amethyst | aixing: the first line is probably what you're after |
| 01:23.47 | \amethyst | aixing: # ./configure --enable-mp3lame --enable-vorbis --enable-libogg --enable-shared |
| 01:24.11 | aixing | ya.. thats what i was thinking /afraid of |
| 01:24.26 | aixing | it means the option i was hoping to find wasnt configured |
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| 01:26.11 | concept10 | shutdown -P --aquire-beer |
| 01:29.43 | kingsley | Why would ttyS devices appear in /dev/.static/dev/ after upgrading the kernel from 2.6.12-1-k7 to 2.6.18-4-k7, and why would ttyS[0-3] appear in both /dev and /dev/.static/dev/? |
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| 01:30.45 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: because /dev/.static/dev is your old /dev filesystem; /dev is a udev memory backed fs; they'd appear in static because something ran MAKEDEV serial; or similar. |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | isn't there a udev readme ? |
| 01:31.10 | dondelelcaro | yes... |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | erm .. that would explain that :) |
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| 01:41.36 | dexomsrc | On my Debian NFS server I have an IP specified with just the (rw) flag, but when I try and mount it from an Ubuntu NFS client, it just hangs and I have to kill the "mount" process. |
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| 01:44.57 | dexomsrc | I've tried adding both sync and async to the options alongside rw, but both have the same behavior |
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| 01:50.53 | {Nathan} | Can someone please give me the lines I need to add to my /etc/apt/sources.list to get the nonfree packages? |
| 01:51.08 | omg0 | how do I mount a USB hard drive |
| 01:51.54 | omg0 | when I first plug it in it just showed up on the desktop |
| 01:52.40 | abrotman | !tell {Nathan} about non-free |
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| 01:56.27 | Caelum | !tell omg0 about usb-storage |
| 01:56.36 | kingsley | Does a utility exist which scans the packages on a box and reports which of them have newer versions available with an urgency greater than a certain threshold, like "high", for example? |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | urgency? |
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| 01:58.34 | ctcp_death | i didn't know we had urgency levels.. |
| 01:58.59 | kingsley | abchirk: "urgency" is mentioned in at least some packages' changelogs. For example, see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_0.105-4/changelog. |
| 01:59.10 | kingsley | abrotman: "urgency" is mentioned in at least some packages' changelogs. For example, see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_0.105-4/changelog. |
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| 01:59.39 | abrotman | i believe that's for uploading and migration to testing from unstable |
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| 02:00.40 | dalias | hey |
| 02:01.19 | dalias | who maintains the debian installer stuff? |
| 02:02.37 | kingsley | The udev package has had five "urgent" new versions since the one I installed about five months ago. What do you think, should I upgrade? |
| 02:03.33 | kingsley | dalias: Debian Install System Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org> |
| 02:03.55 | dalias | i meant like folks who'd like to talk :) |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | duh |
| 02:04.40 | dalias | i have a terminal which i hope could eventually replace bterm to support more languages in the installer |
| 02:04.50 | abrotman | kingsley: why don't you run testing ? |
| 02:04.53 | abrotman | erm .. stable |
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| 02:07.07 | dalias | and i figured it might be nice to ask them about feasibility, what features it'd need, etc. |
| 02:07.07 | kingsley | abrotman: Newer packages. |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | but you don't update them for mjonths |
| 02:07.08 | abrotman | why even bother |
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| 02:11.35 | kingsley | abrotman: It seems to me that the decision of when and how much to upgrade should assume that package dependencies are correct, and consider the bugs currently existing, vs the risk of introducing new ones. I assume that upgrading fewer packages maximizes the chance of fixing existing bugs, while minimizing the risk of introducing new bugs in other packages that currently work. |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | wimp .. upgrade them all |
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| 02:16.18 | ctcp_death | i've had unstable break on me one two many times to trust it. I definitely don't like to use report-bugs or whatever to check if everything might be ok |
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| 02:17.04 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 02:17.35 | superlinux | is "etch" equivalent to testing section? |
| 02:17.41 | rahul | for now |
| 02:17.43 | ctcp_death | i stick to stable and oh so carefully turn to backports if necessary. either that or try to build my own packages. |
| 02:17.58 | superlinux | aha |
| 02:18.03 | kingsley | ctcp_death: How's it working out for you? |
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| 02:18.53 | superlinux | so i said in the sources like "... etch main contrib non-free ..." it's the same as "... testing main contrib non-free ..." |
| 02:18.55 | superlinux | ? |
| 02:19.34 | jimmybgood | superlinux: if you want etch put in etch - if you want testing put in testing |
| 02:20.21 | superlinux | i noticed that debian stable has tooo old stuff like 3 years at leasts |
| 02:20.21 | superlinux | ok |
| 02:20.22 | jimmybgood | superlinux: etch may be stable within hours |
| 02:20.22 | superlinux | aha |
| 02:20.24 | Ronin | or not |
| 02:20.28 | superlinux | ok |
| 02:20.29 | jimmybgood | or months |
| 02:20.33 | superlinux | hehe! |
| 02:20.38 | ctcp_death | kingsley: well I can put together a deb in my sleep. that is if i can get the damn thing i can package to build, which can be quite a trial. |
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| 02:21.20 | ctcp_death | kingsley: usually, backports has had what i needed. |
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| 02:22.09 | kingsley | ctcp_death: Interesting. Thank you for your candid answer. |
| 02:22.51 | ctcp_death | i've needed things like postgres and php.. i'm not really sure how well backports does for the fancier new desktop stuff |
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| 02:26.33 | dondelelcaro | etch won't be stable until this weekend at the earliest. |
| 02:26.40 | wad | Hi folks. I'm working on getting my postfix to let people send email. I want authentication so spammers won't use my server as an open host. In reading the docs, it says that the TLS/SASL support is enabled. Yet I haven't set anything up for this, and it my email client can't send. I need some direction... |
| 02:26.44 | wad | Oh, I'm using etch. :) |
| 02:26.59 | Ronin | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 02:27.00 | wad | dondelelcaro, etch is almost stable? Sweet! |
| 02:27.04 | GhostlyDeath | etch is going to be sarge? |
| 02:27.08 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: no |
| 02:27.10 | abrotman | etch is going to be stable |
| 02:27.13 | Ronin | GhostlyDeath: not exactly |
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| 02:27.20 | wad | they don't rename anything, except sid, right? |
| 02:27.21 | abrotman | sarge will become oldstable |
| 02:27.27 | Ronin | etich will be stable sarge oldstable |
| 02:27.28 | abrotman | sid doesn't ever get renamed |
| 02:27.29 | GhostlyDeath | After it becomes stable, where to do I get the newunstable? |
| 02:27.31 | dondelelcaro | stable (the symlink) will point at etch. olstable (the symnlink) will point at sarge. |
| 02:27.36 | Ronin | wad: backwards |
| 02:27.38 | wad | woody will become dinosaur |
| 02:27.39 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: unstable is always unstable. |
| 02:27.49 | Ronin | sid is always sid |
| 02:27.55 | GhostlyDeath | But I have etch.. |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:28.08 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: then you will either stay at testing or stay at etch. |
| 02:28.09 | wad | Right, that's why I made the exception in renaming. Sid doesn't get renamed. |
| 02:28.10 | wad | :) |
| 02:28.20 | GhostlyDeath | What's testing? |
| 02:28.23 | Ronin | <wad> they don't rename anything, except sid, right? |
| 02:28.23 | GhostlyDeath | "etch"? |
| 02:28.27 | abrotman | curretnly .. yes |
| 02:28.32 | Ronin | GhostlyDeath: yes for now |
| 02:28.41 | dondelelcaro | Nothing gets renamed; only symlinks are changed. |
| 02:29.00 | wad | Ronin, hmm, my statement is off. Correct. |
| 02:29.06 | GhostlyDeath | so, would getting the new testing mess up what I got now? |
| 02:29.15 | GhostlyDeath | and would etch testing want to be stable? |
| 02:29.23 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: you can't get the new testing until it exists. It doesn't exist. |
| 02:29.30 | GhostlyDeath | I know |
| 02:29.33 | GhostlyDeath | but when it does |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: do your sources point at testing or etch ? |
| 02:29.43 | wad | Do any of you guys have TLS working for postfix under etch? I'm missing some critical piece of information to configure my installation. |
| 02:29.47 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: if your sources.list says testing, you'll stay at testing. If it says etch, you'll stay at etch. |
| 02:30.16 | GhostlyDeath | where is sources.list? |
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| 02:30.21 | abrotman | wad: which version of debian? |
| 02:30.23 | debstroyer | Thats great news: etch --> stable uau |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:30.36 | wad | etch |
| 02:30.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell GhostlyDeath -about debian reference |
| 02:31.02 | dondelelcaro | GhostlyDeath: you really want to read that; it explains all about what you're asking. |
| 02:31.33 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/423348 |
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| 02:32.00 | chovy | does apt-get have any notion of use flags like gentoo's portage? |
| 02:32.18 | abrotman | flags for what? |
| 02:32.22 | Wyzard | chovy: No, Debian uses precompiled packages so the concept of USE flags don't apply |
| 02:32.26 | GhostlyDeath | So what do I have? |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | chovy: we have apt-build |
| 02:32.30 | debstroyer | can anyone give some help. I tired of doing disk installs! My mbr is screwed. Got windoze on hda1, debian sarge and now knoppix. Grub is returning stage1/stage2 mismatch. do no what to do |
| 02:32.52 | chovy | abrotman: apt-build lets your complile from src with various flags/ |
| 02:32.53 | chovy | ? |
| 02:32.54 | Wyzard | chovy: afaik Gentoo is the only distro that does anything like that |
| 02:33.03 | chovy | Wyzard: k |
| 02:33.06 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: see the line that has testing? .. change the "testing" to "etch" |
| 02:33.25 | chovy | what about dispatch-conf for updating after an install? |
| 02:33.32 | kiba-kun_ | gsub(c,/.rb/) |
| 02:33.39 | kiba-kun_ | whoops |
| 02:33.41 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: for the CDs? |
| 02:33.48 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: no .. the debian-multimedia line |
| 02:33.49 | dondelelcaro | chovy: that's all done using Debconf, or you just edit the configuration files. |
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| 02:34.08 | GhostlyDeath | testing == etch now right? |
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| 02:34.15 | dondelelcaro | chovy: for the most part, dispatch-conf (and similar tools) are not required because Debian has handled configuration files correctly since the beginning. |
| 02:34.31 | dondelelcaro | (well, for a very long time at least) |
| 02:34.43 | chovy | dondelelcaro: merging and backup? |
| 02:35.00 | chovy | i like ubuntu, but i probably wouldn't use it for a server. |
| 02:35.15 | Wyzard | dpkg's config-file handling unfortunately does not have built-in merging support like Gentoo's etc-update does |
| 02:35.20 | GhostlyDeath | abrotman: what if I change etch to testing, I'll still get etch but once the new testing comes it will be that one? |
| 02:35.20 | dondelelcaro | merging is often done using ucf. |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: change them all to etch |
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| 02:35.47 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: if you change them all to testing .. you'll track testing |
| 02:35.52 | dondelelcaro | but the updated configuration file is put there, and it's a fairly trivial matter to merge it manually. |
| 02:35.57 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: but the "keep current version or install maintainer's version?" prompts have no merging option |
| 02:36.01 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 02:36.02 | GhostlyDeath | The multimedia one isn't even part of debian |
| 02:36.08 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: that's dpkg; I talked about ucf. |
| 02:36.11 | Wyzard | It's not a deal-breaker, but etc-update's merging option is convenient |
| 02:36.13 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath: it doesn't matter .. chagne it to etch if you want to track etch |
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| 02:37.08 | dondelelcaro | generally you don't see them from ucf because it tends to be used for configuration files that use debconf, so it gets the values right almost all of the time |
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| 02:37.27 | Wyzard | chovy: I wouldn't use Ubuntu on a server, but I'd be reluctant to use Gentoo either, because Gentoo doesn't have the concept of a "stable release" like server-oriented distros (Debian, RedHat, etc.) do |
| 02:37.46 | GhostlyDeath | I use Debian as a desktop |
| 02:37.50 | GhostlyDeath | well Laptop |
| 02:37.57 | Wyzard | as do I |
| 02:38.01 | Wyzard | though I also have a Gentoo box |
| 02:38.18 | GhostlyDeath | I'm all debian (sounds like a master card commercial) |
| 02:38.20 | Wyzard | (though I don't really use it for much) |
| 02:38.25 | dondelelcaro | it's #48717, btw... |
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| 02:38.48 | GhostlyDeath | or is it alieve... who cares |
| 02:39.27 | GhostlyDeath | How do I change what open up in what, I dont' want all my music files opening up in mplayer, I want to use totem! |
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| 02:41.55 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: that is up to your file manager |
| 02:42.20 | GhostlyDeath | I use GNOME |
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| 02:42.46 | abrotman | nautilus |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | right click on the mp3 and choose open with .. then set whatever you want as the default |
| 02:44.32 | GhostlyDeath | There is no defualt option |
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| 02:47.35 | abrotman | my bad .. right click and go to properties .. |
| 02:48.25 | GhostlyDeath | Yeah |
| 02:48.30 | GhostlyDeath | Found it out |
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| 02:51.20 | GhostlyDeath | "Each MODE is of the form `[ugoa]*([-+=]([rwxXst]*|[ugo]))+'." x and X, and s t? |
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| 02:52.46 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 02:52.47 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 02:53.06 | wad | Is there another way to use SASL authentication than using mysql, for postfix? I'm only going to have a single username/password for the whole site, so a databse lookup seems like overkill... |
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| 02:53.39 | nedved | hey i fresh installed debian, but it has no irc client |
| 02:53.53 | nedved | how do i get one? |
| 02:54.07 | GhostlyDeath | Install XChat |
| 02:54.15 | wad | nedved: apt-get install bitchx |
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| 02:54.23 | nedved | how di instalkl stuf? |
| 02:54.34 | nedved | ok |
| 02:54.43 | wad | nedved: apt-cache search [package name here] |
| 02:54.45 | wad | then: |
| 02:54.50 | wad | apt-get install [package name here] |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | for an CLI text .. use aptitude install irssi-text |
| 02:55.41 | nedved | well it says package not found.. what am i doing wrong? |
| 02:55.50 | abrotman | for which command ? |
| 02:56.04 | karsten | nedved: Installing a nonexistent package would be what you're doing wrong. |
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| 02:56.15 | karsten | !tell nedved about search |
| 02:56.20 | nedved | i do a search for bitchx or joe in aptitude and it cant find them |
| 02:56.27 | abrotman | aptitude search irssi-text |
| 02:56.34 | karsten | nedved: Read teh factoid. |
| 02:56.38 | karsten | the, even. |
| 02:56.57 | Wyzard | nedved: Did you install from CD? |
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| 02:57.02 | nedved | i installed from a Cd, maybe thats the problem? |
| 02:57.06 | Wyzard | yes |
| 02:57.20 | Wyzard | At the end of the installation you're prompted to insert additional CDs to be scanned for packages |
| 02:57.40 | Wyzard | Your system currently only knows about packages that are on the CDs you provided |
| 02:58.03 | Wyzard | You want to add an entry to your /etc/apt/sources.list to get packages online |
| 02:58.06 | abrotman | nedved: which version ? |
| 02:58.07 | nedved | Cd doesnt have X or irc ? |
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| 02:58.15 | Wyzard | and then do "apt-get update" to download the package lists |
| 02:58.17 | Wyzard | Not the first CD, no |
| 02:58.18 | abrotman | erm .. which versino of debian ? |
| 02:58.18 | nedved | version 3.1 r5 |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | nedved: please run apt-setup .. choose an http source from a mirror in oyur country |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | if there is one .. or choose one near you |
| 02:59.07 | debstroyer | nedved: check your repositories. You'd better use synaptic if not confortable with the command line. |
| 02:59.38 | nedved | man this Cd is 600 mb, and it doesnt come with X windows? |
| 02:59.42 | abrotman | debhelper: and how would he install synaptic ? |
| 02:59.47 | abrotman | bah |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | debstroyer: |
| 02:59.58 | abrotman | nedved: please run apt-setup and choose an http source |
| 03:00.17 | nedved | i ran apt-setup and chose http instead cdrom, now it is updating packages i think |
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| 03:00.34 | Wyzard | nedved: Debian 3.1 consists of fourteen CDs, or two DVDs |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | nedved: if you need a text irc client .. when that's done .. apt-get install irssi-text |
| 03:00.54 | nedved | good |
| 03:01.00 | Wyzard | nedved: so any random package has only a 1 in 14 chance of being on that first CD |
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| 03:01.05 | Wyzard | 600MB isn't as big as you might think :-) |
| 03:01.16 | nedved | alright.. right now i am chatting from raw telnet |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | good plan |
| 03:02.01 | nedved | slackware is better |
| 03:02.06 | abrotman | then use it ? |
| 03:02.21 | nedved | i am only trying out debian |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 03:02.33 | dpkg | refcard is probably A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 03:02.44 | Wyzard | nedved: If you've just finished installing Debian, you're not really in a position to make a judgement like that |
| 03:02.53 | peterS | "slackware is better" is a useless statement. we cannot use it to improve debian, because you aren't giving any reasons. therefore we have to assume it's just a troll |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | yeah .. i mean .. the slackware installer just froze up on me last time i tried it :) |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | or perhaps more accurately .. stopped accepting input |
| 03:03.53 | Wyzard | nedved: Keep in mind, Debian is aimed largely at servers, which often don't need X, so having X on the first CD isn't a high priority |
| 03:04.03 | Wyzard | nedved: If you want a desktop-oriented system, you might be interested in Ubuntu |
| 03:04.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: though .. X is on the first cd |
| 03:04.32 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 03:04.37 | nedved | ok i thank everyone for the kind help, aptitude works fine now |
| 03:04.40 | Wyzard | shows how often I install Debian from CDs :-) |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 03:04.56 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 03:05.13 | wols_ | if I want to apt-seach an ftp client for x only how would I do that? |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | Found [xserver-xfree86] version [4.3.0.dfsg.1-14] |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | on CD ['Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1'] |
| 03:05.30 | wols_ | a.g. some apt-cache search ftp WHERE depends=X or something? |
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| 03:05.43 | peterS | wols_: apt-cache search ftp client x |
| 03:05.53 | peterS | wols_: though you probably want to use debtags instead |
| 03:06.09 | strefli3 | Is anyone in here running the experimental xorg packages? |
| 03:06.12 | wols_ | peterS: that gets things like libssh2-0 - SSH2 client-side library |
| 03:06.19 | wols_ | hardly a ftp client is it? :) |
| 03:06.25 | peterS | wols_: right, I forgot the "" in "ftp client" |
| 03:06.27 | Wyzard | wols_: You can use grep-dctrl to search for specific dependencies... it expects a package database as input so pipe "apt-cache dumpavail" into it |
| 03:06.43 | wols_ | libghc6-ftphs-dev - FTP Client and Server Library for Haskell, GHC package |
| 03:06.45 | wols_ | still no X :) |
| 03:06.49 | abrotman | lies! |
| 03:07.00 | peterS | wols_: I told you what to use, you're ignoring me |
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| 03:07.18 | wols_ | peterS: I did use apt-cache search "ftp client" x as you suggested |
| 03:07.28 | nedved | how do shut down ssh, lpd, and such things i dont need? |
| 03:07.30 | peterS | wols_: I told you something else, too |
| 03:07.36 | peterS | nedved: just uninstall them |
| 03:07.42 | peterS | nedved: 'aptitude remove packagename' |
| 03:07.43 | nedved | peterS: ah good idea |
| 03:07.49 | abrotman | update-rc.d is another way |
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| 03:11.15 | peterS | wols_: debtags search 'protocol::ftp && interface::x11' |
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| 03:11.43 | nedved | how can i choose my ip in LAN instead dhcp? |
| 03:11.59 | peterS | nedved: 'man interfaces' - it involves editing /etc/network/interfaces, the manpage has examples |
| 03:12.53 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 03:12.53 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 03:13.17 | wols_ | peterS: yes thanks already installed debtags |
| 03:13.28 | wols_ | and found out there is a filezilla for debian which sounds nice |
| 03:13.32 | debstroyer | grub is returining error "stage1/stage2 mismatch" what should i do? |
| 03:13.42 | wols_ | (if it's not too bloaty...) |
| 03:13.59 | wols_ | debstroyer: reinstall it to make sure both stages are from the same version |
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| 03:15.22 | debstroyer | wols_: can i do it from the command line? (running knoppix 5.11 on the damaged box)? |
| 03:16.13 | GhostlyDeath | Does nm-applet show apple networks in the air? |
| 03:16.54 | peterS | debstroyer: should just be a matter of chrooting into your root filesystem, maybe 'mount /proc', then '/sbin/grub-install /dev/sda' or wherever your primary bootable disk is |
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| 03:17.38 | debstroyer | peterS: it's a knoppix hdinstall and it detected my debian root partition |
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| 03:21.29 | jimmybgood | if you want to make sure you can always boot - make a grub boot floppy and learn the grub command line |
| 03:21.43 | yxa | how can I find search for a string in a file, delete that whole line and 5 lines below it? |
| 03:22.20 | strefli3 | yxa: how many times do you have to do this? |
| 03:22.58 | yxa | strefli3 all occurances |
| 03:23.28 | strefli3 | nano can do it with the replace function |
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| 03:23.51 | strefli3 | yxa: if it is multiple files then the answer would be to program it in perl |
| 03:23.59 | peterS | yxa: perl -pi -e '/your_string/ && <> for (1..5)' your_filename <--- untested |
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| 03:24.13 | bushblows | does openSSH compile with X11 forwarding support by default in debian? |
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| 03:24.25 | peterS | bushblows: yes, but check /etc/ssh/sshd_config to see whether it's enabled |
| 03:24.30 | karsten | bushblows: Yes. |
| 03:24.32 | yxa | strefli3 not multifiles, just a hugeass text file |
| 03:24.43 | bushblows | I enabled it, just want to make sure it was compatible. thansk |
| 03:24.44 | peterS | bushblows: that file on the server, I mean, ssh -Y always enables it from the client side |
| 03:24.47 | bushblows | thanks? |
| 03:24.48 | karsten | bushblows: You'll have to enable it though. As peterS suggests, it's not enabled by default. |
| 03:24.56 | debstroyer | jimmybgood: i have grub superdisk. And i'm triyng to learn it, but itÅ› tough. I suspect all trouble started after using scandisk. Should i let scandisk perform on drives having debian installed? |
| 03:25.13 | wad | I'm getting closer to getting postfix working. I've selected PAM to authenticate users trying to send email. But I'm stuck again: I don't know what to do to actually set up users and such that PAM can authenticate against. Hints? |
| 03:25.34 | frankr | http://www.xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=52297&file1=52297-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Calla what's this guy got running on the top of his screen showing data |
| 03:25.41 | jimmybgood | debstroyer: i know nothing about scandisk |
| 03:25.53 | jimmybgood | what file system is on it |
| 03:26.13 | debstroyer | jymmybgood: fat32 |
| 03:26.17 | strefli3 | yxa, nano (the text editor) will do the job just fine. However, if you would like to learn perl take a look at what PeterS suggested |
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| 03:26.42 | jimmybgood | oh - yeah that scandisk -sure |
| 03:27.18 | jimmybgood | are you trying to boot windows? |
| 03:27.37 | wad | lol... I don't have to send myself test emails to make sure my server is working. The continual incoming flow of spam takes care of this need. |
| 03:27.52 | debstroyer | jymmybgood: i cant boot neither windows nor my debian sarge install |
| 03:28.27 | peterS | yxa: ok I was close. perl -pi.bak -e '/your_text_string/ && do { <> for (0..5) }' your_filename |
| 03:28.57 | debstroyer | jimmybgood: i cant boot neither windows nor my debian sarge install |
| 03:29.54 | peterS | yxa: actually come to think of it, that won't work either, it won't delete the line in question, but the _next_ 6 lines. so you'll need to adjust it slightly |
| 03:29.59 | yxa | peterS the next 5 lines do not contain that string :) |
| 03:30.00 | jimmybgood | debstroyer: well, I'd try booting the Debian of course! Boot up grub and ask for a command line - press "c" |
| 03:30.33 | debstroyer | jimmybgood:i and then? |
| 03:30.39 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get the GNOME sounds working (Desktop > Prefs > Sound)? |
| 03:30.49 | yxa | peterS it's pretty close. |
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| 03:30.59 | peterS | yxa: fine. perl -pi.bak -e '/your_text_string/ && do { $_=""; <> for (0..5) }' your_filename |
| 03:31.06 | peterS | I mean for (1..5) |
| 03:31.29 | jimmybgood | debstroyer: well, you should really read up or practice. I hesitate to give detailed directions - one slip up and it's my fault |
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| 03:32.08 | jimmybgood | but basically - you find a root, then a kernel, then maybe an initrd and then say boot |
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| 03:33.21 | debstroyer | jimmybgood: ok. i'll study grub manual a bit more. thanks everyone |
| 03:33.28 | GhostlyDeath | How do I get ESD programs working but them using ALSA instead? |
| 03:33.59 | yxa | peterS looks good. many empty lines in between though. how can we strip those? |
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| 03:34.41 | peterS | yxa: add this to the perl expression: ; /^$/ && chomp |
| 03:35.00 | peterS | removes all blank lines |
| 03:37.00 | kingsley | Why would "ls -l" report that /dev/.static/dev/ttyS14 exists, but strace of an application says open("/dev/.static/dev/ttyS14", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address)? |
| 03:37.27 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: because you have no 15th serial device. |
| 03:37.46 | dondelelcaro | which would be why udev didn't create it in the first place |
| 03:40.35 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I fail to see how your explanation would reconcile the different results from "ls -l" and "open". |
| 03:41.13 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: you have a device node in a filesystem. it is not connected to a real device. |
| 03:41.25 | dondelelcaro | hence the "no such device or address" error instead of the "no such file or directory" error. |
| 03:42.34 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: So, do you think "ls -l" sees the node in the filesystem, but since it's not associated with a real device, "open" fails? |
| 03:42.52 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: obviously |
| 03:43.00 | dondelelcaro | in fact, I don't even think it, I know it. |
| 03:43.30 | dondelelcaro | you can demonstrate this trivially by creating a node using mknod which doesn't have a real device behind it and trying to open it. |
| 03:43.38 | dondelelcaro | watch as you get ENXIO. |
| 03:44.35 | dondelelcaro | instead of ENOENT |
| 03:47.56 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: You and I have different ideas about what's obvious. |
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| 03:50.25 | dondelelcaro | could be |
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| 04:00.21 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: How should one associate a file system node with a real device? /etc/udev/devfs.rules? |
| 04:01.10 | peterS | kingsley: the kernel makes the association when the device driver initialises itself. in some cases this is manifested in /proc/devices. |
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| 04:02.49 | peterS | the device file on the filesystem includes meta-information like user/group/permissions/modified-time but the only real _content_ is the device number, which is split into "major,minor" (and that is what ls will show in place of a file size). the "major" will generally show up in /proc/devices if some driver has signed itself up to use that major number. |
| 04:03.23 | kingsley | peterS: Following your line of reasoning, if a certain filesystem node is not associated with a real device, would a good place to look for the bug be in the device driver? |
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| 04:04.34 | peterS | kingsley: in general you just have to know what driver is supposed to handle a particular (major,minor) number pair. you can get a list with: grep -- -major- /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 04:05.14 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: what I don't understand is why you're trying to use ttyS14 |
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| 04:05.39 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: surely you've got maybe 4 COM ports, more likely 2, and have whatever you're using plugged into one of them |
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| 04:10.58 | kingsley | peterS: I tried your grep with a major of "4" (for a serial device), and no matches were returned. The exact command that I used was "grep -- -4- /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias". Advice? |
| 04:11.51 | dererk | Hey, and Irccop around? RichiH ? |
| 04:12.38 | peterS | kingsley: that's because the serial driver is already built into your kernel. modules.alias is for modules that aren't already present. the real problem in this case is that the serial driver has not found 15 serial ports in your machine |
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| 04:13.13 | Niriven | does apt have a way to search dependencies and remove unreferenced deps? |
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| 04:13.45 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: I have the usual serial ports, plus a serial card with extra ports. As you correctly surmised, I do not have 15 serial ports, but, and if I remember correctly, when I configured the serial application under and earlier version of the kernel, the kernel chose ttyS14. |
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| 04:15.24 | kingsley | peterS: Following your line of reasoning, would a good place to look for the bug be in the kernel's serial driver? |
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| 04:16.29 | peterS | kingsley: if your serial card is supported by the standard 8250 serial driver, sure. some cards use their own drivers, and won't use char-major-4 |
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| 04:18.24 | piper69 | hi all |
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| 04:19.30 | piper69 | etch when screen saver start, sometimes when i move the mouse it will come out and other time it will just stay blank and i will actually have to power cycle the box...any idea what this could be? |
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| 04:21.19 | kingsley | peterS: Thank you for your insightfull comments. From your experience, is it possible that a later udev enabled kernel might associate a different serial device number (and file system node) to a real device than an earlier, pre udev version of the kernel? |
| 04:21.56 | peterS | kingsley: the device number isn't controlled by udev, only the filename |
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| 04:22.28 | peterS | if it uses major 4 minor 14 in one kernel, it should use major 4 minor 14 in another, unless the underlying serial drivers themselves have changed |
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| 04:25.20 | dondelelcaro | which is likely, given that using 4,14 when you don't have 15 serial ports is a waste of minor numbers |
| 04:26.59 | dondelelcaro | in any event, you should see in dmesg (or /var/log/dmesg) the kernel module for your serial port expander card being loaded, and the assignment of ttySnn to it, ala: serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 04:27.19 | kingsley | /var/log/messages* suggest to me that the new udev kernel started associating ttyS2 with the same real device that earlier kernels had associated with ttyS14. |
| 04:27.58 | dondelelcaro | if it's the 3rd serial port, that's most likely. |
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| 04:29.25 | peterS | I was wrong about (4,14) anyway - the minor number doesn't start at 0 for ttyS - but the same principle applies |
| 04:30.13 | Niriven | I really cannot get my sound card to work, it seems as though others have. Its a intel hda card, anyone have any experiance with this? |
| 04:32.29 | dondelelcaro | yeah; it'd be 78 or some such |
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| 04:34.23 | kingsley | peterS: OK, the minor is 66. New topic... strace reports that what /var/log/messages suggest is the new serial device, /dev/ttys2, fails an ioctl call with "ioctl(3, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbfc9fd98) = -1 EIO (Input/output error)" and "/dev/ttyS2 is not a terminal dev". Do happen to have any thoughts on why? |
| 04:34.41 | kingsley | s/suggest/suggests/ |
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| 04:35.04 | LinuxNIT | is it possible to have apt install a program to the /home directory? |
| 04:35.24 | tenzind | hi ... what package do i need to install to have make-kpkg? |
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| 04:35.34 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: yes, but it should never be done. |
| 04:35.37 | dondelelcaro | tenzind: kernel-package |
| 04:35.40 | peterS | kingsley: I have no idea what application you're trying to run on ttyS2, or why it would require terminal controls, or indeed why your serial driver thinks certain ports are not terminals |
| 04:35.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell tenzind -about pdo |
| 04:35.54 | LinuxNIT | dondelelcaro, why not? |
| 04:36.21 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: because packages belong in /usr et al. /home belongs to users. |
| 04:36.38 | LinuxNIT | so for security reasons? |
| 04:37.00 | kingsley | peterS: The application is kermit. It may need terminal controls to control a serial device. OK, no problem. I'll contemplate the matter. |
| 04:37.02 | dondelelcaro | no, for "not munging with users home directories" reasons |
| 04:37.04 | wols_ | LinuxNIT: dpkg -x inside your ~ instead |
| 04:37.33 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: what if you don't have priviledges to install some software? |
| 04:37.34 | peterS | kingsley: also - ttys2 and ttyS2 are two different things, make sure you're using the one you think you're using |
| 04:37.37 | dondelelcaro | wols_: then use dpkg-deb -x |
| 04:37.44 | LinuxNIT | i guess i was thinking if i made a livecd then i could install extra programs on /home without remastering the livecd each time |
| 04:37.47 | kingsley | peterS: I may just need to upgrade the udev package. My version is five "urgent" upgrades behind. |
| 04:37.55 | peterS | yes, they both exist, ttys2 is for an old BSD pseudo tty |
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| 04:38.29 | LinuxNIT | (keeping /home on a usb drive) |
| 04:38.50 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: you may find that using a unionfs mount over the live cdrom is easier |
| 04:38.52 | LinuxNIT | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.59 | kingsley | peterS: Yes, that's a good point. Indeed I used the same case, upper, as reported in /var/log/messages. |
| 04:39.16 | LinuxNIT | dondelelcaro, and writing to the cd so i have the program on next boot? |
| 04:39.35 | dondelelcaro | LinuxNIT: nah; you just re-unionfs it over the cdrom so it's there. |
| 04:39.52 | dondelelcaro | or aufs or whatever you're using |
| 04:39.56 | LinuxNIT | k |
| 04:39.57 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
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| 04:40.52 | dondelelcaro | or you could just use a real install... kind of up to you |
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| 04:43.59 | sid | How do I say hello in Indian/Hindu ? Or is there an Indian #debian? |
| 04:44.15 | sid | dpkg doesn't seem to think one exists, he keeps telling me in stands for India. :( |
| 04:44.20 | sid | !abuse |
| 04:44.20 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 04:44.49 | dondelelcaro | sid: M-x hello in emacs |
| 04:45.25 | lua- | I have multiple IPs on a single interface, my routing was working fine until one day everything decided to mess up... |
| 04:45.36 | dondelelcaro | err, mabye it's C-h i; I always forget |
| 04:45.42 | lua- | my main IP works fine, but my other IPs dont seem to be able to be reached from outside the network |
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| 04:47.17 | dondelelcaro | ah; C-h h |
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| 04:54.26 | GhostlyDeath | How do I see if my HDD has SMART capability? |
| 04:55.23 | rahul | if it doesn't... I'd be surprised |
| 04:55.33 | rahul | that would mean it's about 8 years old |
| 04:56.56 | GhostlyDeath | My PC is 2006 |
| 04:57.05 | GhostlyDeath | it says it isn't smart compatible |
| 04:57.16 | GhostlyDeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.38 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: it's possible to disable SMART in the BIOS on some computer |
| 04:58.17 | GhostlyDeath | I really don't remember at all |
| 04:58.24 | GhostlyDeath | I think there is a SMART thing there |
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| 04:59.36 | vaq | Hello, is it possible to predefine a password with scp? - So that i don't get prompted for password? |
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| 04:59.49 | rahul | GhostlyDeath: oh, is it sata? |
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| 05:00.10 | xjkx | why would anyone block acess point if it doesnt protect data? it offers internet isn't it? |
| 05:00.11 | rahul | I don't think linux supports SMART on SATA before 2.6.19 |
| 05:00.11 | \amethyst | vaq: You use keys |
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| 05:00.27 | \amethyst | !ssh keys |
| 05:00.27 | dpkg | hmm... ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 05:01.19 | \amethyst | vaq: You can either leave the private key unencrypted, or use an ssh-agent so you only have to type the passphrase once |
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| 05:03.19 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know what package contains the fglrx kernel module? |
| 05:03.42 | rahul | !m-a |
| 05:03.43 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 05:03.57 | rahul | install the source and then use m-a |
| 05:04.24 | NefariousPrior | Good idea, but isn't that kinda odd that it's not available? |
| 05:04.27 | Kervan | Hi. I see an error while writing the partition table at Debian Installation : [!!]Partition Disks\n Failed To create filesystem\n The fat32 file system creation in partition #4 of ide1 slave (hdb) failed |
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| 05:06.09 | Kervan | then i remove the fat32 from partition table after this operation I see this error: Input/output error during read on /dev/ide/hosts0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc |
| 05:06.11 | wols_ | !tell NefariousPrior about fglrx one-liner |
| 05:06.24 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: add contrib and non-free, then search for fglrx again |
| 05:06.42 | NefariousPrior | I did, it's still not there. |
| 05:07.05 | wols_ | did you run apt-get update? sarge or etch? |
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| 05:07.09 | NefariousPrior | yes, etch |
| 05:07.12 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: what package are you looking for? fglrx-kernel-src ? |
| 05:07.22 | xjkx | If someone has password of acess point can he have acess to some files or it just means he can acess internet from it? |
| 05:07.33 | NefariousPrior | \amethyst: Not source, precompiled module. |
| 05:07.55 | wols_ | NefariousPrior: does not exist afaik |
| 05:08.07 | NefariousPrior | wols_: odd. heh |
| 05:08.10 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 05:08.21 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: could be a licensing issue |
| 05:08.50 | GhostlyDeath | wait what was the thing again? |
| 05:08.55 | GhostlyDeath | smartctl what? |
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| 05:10.40 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: smartctl -a device |
| 05:11.04 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 05:11.16 | GhostlyDeath | it says it doesn;t support SMART yet I can get my HDD temp |
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| 05:11.28 | GhostlyDeath | CPU is at 136F and HDD is at 95F, this good or bad? |
| 05:11.33 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: sata? |
| 05:11.35 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 05:11.40 | kjdsl | Finally |
| 05:11.42 | wols_ | -d ata or so |
| 05:11.47 | \amethyst | Fahrenheit? wot? |
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| 05:12.00 | kjdsl | I can see this chat working becase this board is never dead |
| 05:12.27 | kjdsl | these debian people never sleep |
| 05:12.32 | litage | why would the daily log rotation fail? this happens from time to time on one of my servers: http://rafb.net/p/gcwx0s59.html |
| 05:12.42 | wols_ | GhostlyDeath: rule of thumb: hdds shouldn't have more than 40°C |
| 05:13.07 | GhostlyDeath | in F? |
| 05:13.23 | wols_ | no clue. we use real units. not fairy ones |
| 05:13.32 | GhostlyDeath | F is user-friendly though |
| 05:13.38 | wols_ | BS |
| 05:13.42 | \amethyst | litage: add -v to the command line in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 05:13.50 | GhostlyDeath | The difference between 90F and 100F (10F) is like 0.2C |
| 05:13.58 | litage | \amethyst: yeah, i've been thinking about that |
| 05:14.14 | GhostlyDeath | wols_: In F you can easily tell how hot it is |
| 05:14.14 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: more like 5.6 |
| 05:14.28 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: You can in celsius or Kelvin too |
| 05:14.33 | \amethyst | s/K/k/ |
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| 05:14.56 | GhostlyDeath | To get a rough F to C, I do (F - 32) / 2 |
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| 05:15.50 | GhostlyDeath | HDD rose from 90F to 100F! |
| 05:16.18 | GhostlyDeath | ok, I'm going to leave my laptop in the basement where it's about 40F to 45F here |
| 05:16.33 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: 100F isn't that bad |
| 05:17.43 | GhostlyDeath | I like all these sensor apps |
| 05:17.51 | GhostlyDeath | Let's me know what is going on! |
| 05:18.05 | NefariousPrior | What is the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ?? |
| 05:18.15 | GhostlyDeath | My CPU supports frequency scaling but linux says "NO YOU CAN'T HAVE FREQUENCY SCALING!" |
| 05:18.17 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: two things |
| 05:18.39 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: err, just one |
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| 05:18.58 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: The former is a dependency package to pull the latest version of 2.6 |
| 05:19.16 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: while the latter is a particular version |
| 05:19.22 | NefariousPrior | ahhh, you would think the description would mention meta package or something |
| 05:20.41 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: The term "metapackage" is usually used when it has multiple dependencies |
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| 05:21.01 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: The description says: This package depends on the latest binary image ... |
| 05:21.10 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone know how i can send ctr+alt+del to konsole session? |
| 05:21.22 | \amethyst | NefariousPrior: not the short description, though |
| 05:21.43 | NefariousPrior | \amethyst: yeah, that just didn't process in my head when I read it. thanks for clearing that up. |
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| 05:22.24 | gholm | hi all |
| 05:22.40 | gholm | dondelelcaro: you in? |
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| 05:25.18 | gholm | how can I tell what drive my / is mounted on? |
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| 05:26.46 | piper69 | what is the replacement of Ghost software for Debian |
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| 05:34.02 | jpsamara | Hi |
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| 05:38.13 | jpsamara | Is there a way for me to use debian stable but for example if firefox 3.0 or openoffice 3.0 is released I use those? |
| 05:38.20 | jpsamara | or I have to use testing? |
| 05:38.41 | jpsamara | Im using ubuntu but I'm thinking of using etch when its done |
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| 05:40.06 | peterS | jpsamara: important package updates that lots of users want are often made available unofficially, by the debian maintainer, on backports.org |
| 05:40.25 | peterS | jpsamara: but this depends on somebody wanting to do the work to make the package available |
| 05:40.44 | jpsamara | ok |
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| 05:41.32 | jpsamara | is there a way of installing just some unstable or testing packages and keeping debian stable? in case backports does not have what I need? |
| 05:42.35 | peterS | jpsamara: it can be done, but packages often depend on updated versions of other packages (libc6 in particular, but not only that) so in practice you might end up sucking in more stuff from testing than you really wanted, making it a lot less useful to stay on stable at all |
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| 05:44.34 | jpsamara | ok. do you guys use testing to stay updated then? cause for me, at least for openoffice, gaim, firefox and eclipse, I must have the latest and greatest :) but i thought stable would be cool |
| 05:44.44 | jpsamara | thanks for the info peter |
| 05:45.46 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone know how i can send ctr+alt+del escape sequence to a cyclades connected to a serail console of a servers bios? |
| 05:45.49 | wasowski | Hi. I'm running Debian Etch and I have Opera 9.10 installed from aptitude. If I download the 9.20 version and install it manually, will I get problems in further updates? Or aptitude will normally download newer versions in the future? |
| 05:45.52 | \amethyst | jpsamara: many of us run unstable, but that requires a fair amount of knowledge of the packaging system, to fix things when they break |
| 05:46.35 | valdyn | wasowski: aptitude uses /etc/apt/sources.list for package sources, what's not in there cant be considered for upgrades |
| 05:46.56 | peterS | jpsamara: I don't use stable, but then again, I have been using Linux and Debian for many years so I'm confident that when something breaks I will be able to deal with it |
| 05:47.27 | valdyn | wasowski: you should remove the 9.10 and use only the manually installed one, or vice versa |
| 05:47.31 | jpsamara | testing would be ok for me? as I said I only want to have the latest main apps, nothing much esoteric... but frankly with ubuntu is just a matter of upgrading every six months.. things dont brake here |
| 05:47.37 | valdyn | wasowski: OR install manually to a different location |
| 05:48.32 | wasowski | valdyn, will aptitude update the manually installed package in the future? I'd install 9.20 but when it releases 9.30 I'd like aptitude to download when it's available in the apt sources list. Will it update? |
| 05:48.46 | \amethyst | If you're installing things manually, you should do so to /usr/local |
| 05:48.58 | valdyn | wasowski: manually installed how? with dpkg -i ? |
| 05:48.58 | \amethyst | wasowski: No |
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| 05:49.10 | \amethyst | oh, good question |
| 05:49.16 | wasowski | valdyn, yes. |
| 05:49.17 | \amethyst | wasowski: yes, then |
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| 05:49.24 | valdyn | wasowski: ok then , aptitude would upgrade this |
| 05:49.27 | wasowski | valdyn, the point is that I don't want to manually install it for ever |
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| 05:51.33 | valdyn | jpsamara: testing doesn't break, its just that at times packages are not available in testing |
| 05:52.12 | valdyn | jpsamara: that's ok, if you already have installed that, but if you suddenly want oo.org when you don't have it and when its not available in testing, you're in trouble |
| 05:53.15 | jpsamara | ok.. ill def give etch a try once its out |
| 05:53.26 | jpsamara | thanks guys |
| 05:54.12 | valdyn | jpsamara: now's a good time to go testing, and to stay there also, just don't dist-upgrade blindly after etch is out, as packages you may need may be removed |
| 05:54.17 | wasowski | thanks valdyn, \amethyst. I'll try the new package. |
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| 05:57.16 | itchi | Hi, i have some directories in my ~/public_html that are invisible (404). I think i got this trouble after the last apache upgrade on the Sarge box. The permissions are right on the dirs. |
| 05:57.31 | \amethyst | itchi: only some directories? |
| 05:57.39 | jpsamara | valdyn: i thought I would wait for etch and add backports as needed |
| 05:57.40 | itchi | Yeah, only some |
| 05:58.02 | itchi | \amethyst: Others have the same permissions as these that give the 404 trouble |
| 05:58.02 | valdyn | jpsamara: even better |
| 05:58.35 | \amethyst | itchi: do the containing directories have the same permissions, too? |
| 05:58.41 | itchi | And the weird thing is; if i remove read permission, the web client complain about it. So i set the permissions again, then he say 404 :-s |
| 05:58.52 | \amethyst | itchi: hmm |
| 05:59.55 | \amethyst | itchi: no symbolic links involved? |
| 06:00.01 | itchi | There may be a bug, i can not believe it |
| 06:00.16 | itchi | \amethyst: Some have, some not |
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| 06:00.55 | \amethyst | itchi: is there any correlation between being a symlink (or in a symlinked directory) and giving 404? |
| 06:01.10 | itchi | \amethyst: nah, on a basic dir, kug, it not work kug |
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| 06:01.32 | \amethyst | itchi: anything of interest in the error log? |
| 06:01.38 | itchi | \amethyst: I'm do it with a 'test' dir, same trouble. It contain nothing |
| 06:01.44 | valdyn | itchi: what's in that dir? |
| 06:02.00 | valdyn | itchi: ok, how are you accessing that url? |
| 06:02.01 | \amethyst | itchi: does the error happen only for directories, or also for files? |
| 06:02.09 | itchi | http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/ |
| 06:03.41 | itchi | \amethyst: Wait, gona try |
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| 06:03.43 | itchi | \amethyst: hhhm, file work http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/pydoc1.jpg |
| 06:03.43 | \amethyst | itchi: then you have Indexes turned off |
| 06:03.44 | maddash | !pxe |
| 06:03.44 | dpkg | pxe is probably a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 06:03.44 | valdyn | itchi: your problem is that that directory does NOT contain an index.html and listing is forbidden |
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| 06:03.45 | itchi | doh |
| 06:03.45 | maddash | !tell me about netboot |
| 06:03.45 | itchi | These have disable that then in the 'new' config |
| 06:03.45 | itchi | ? |
| 06:04.01 | valdyn | itchi: it should always have been forbidden? i dont know, maybe you switched from apache to apache2 |
| 06:04.13 | maddash | any reliable etch pxe install guides around here? |
| 06:04.14 | valdyn | itchi: or only allowed for specific directories |
| 06:04.19 | itchi | valdyn: I thought, i'm still on apache |
| 06:04.32 | itchi | valdyn: It's on my Sarge box |
| 06:04.46 | itchi | I just did the upgrade there |
| 06:05.02 | itchi | 'upgrade' is a bit confussing some time haha |
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| 06:05.17 | valdyn | itchi: maybe this was a security fix, no idea |
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| 06:05.44 | itchi | valdyn: Dunno :-p |
| 06:05.57 | itchi | Anyway. Again a great thanks guys! |
| 06:06.00 | itchi | !beer #debian |
| 06:06.01 | itchi | :-p |
| 06:07.48 | itchi | I just need to find that option in apache haha |
| 06:08.52 | kingsley | peterS: Thanks for your help. The final fix was pointing setserial at udev's new filesystem node to set its port address and interrupt number. |
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| 06:11.40 | mikefoo | My bind/named is caching an MX record, I have stopped and started named, and its still cached wrong got the mx record, how do I properly clear cache from bind? |
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| 06:12.15 | kingsley | peterS: That allowed the application's ioctl call to perceive it as a terminal dev and ultimately work. |
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| 06:17.09 | NefariousPrior | Which package provides glxinfo ? |
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| 06:17.56 | doughie | hey |
| 06:18.30 | Element14 | $dpkg -S glxinfo |
| 06:18.30 | Element14 | mesa-utils: /usr/bin/glxinfo |
| 06:19.19 | Azar | question: comparing woody with etch: is Debian installer - installing packages that one would NOT want ? |
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| 06:19.57 | Azar | is anything changed there? |
| 06:20.37 | praecox | Azar, what you mean? |
| 06:20.56 | tarzeau | morning |
| 06:20.59 | Element14 | the etch installer provides quite a minimal set of base packages, so probably there aren't a lot of stuff u don't want. |
| 06:21.10 | Azar | praecox: I am reading a sob blog about the "decay of Debian" and the guy is insinuating (among others) this |
| 06:21.22 | Azar | misterrrr tarzeau!! morning to you too |
| 06:21.27 | praecox | Azar, check what Element14 just wrote. |
| 06:21.35 | praecox | Azar, it's like he says. |
| 06:21.59 | Azar | ok ok, I admit being guilty of not trying a Sarge or an Etch installer... |
| 06:22.20 | praecox | you should have. |
| 06:22.21 | Azar | but I assumed if I would only instal minimal, would be same as back in the woody days |
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| 06:22.45 | Azar | praecox: I have to admit, I tried Sarge installer and.... gave up on it. I highly disliked it |
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| 06:22.57 | Azar | even for a minimal install |
| 06:23.07 | Element14 | what's the problem with the sarge installer? |
| 06:23.37 | Azar | so what could have happened? peny envy and competition to ubuntu? |
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| 06:24.08 | Azar | nice graphics installer? |
| 06:25.10 | Azar | http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=234 |
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| 06:30.11 | Azar | Element14: well, maybe I am just feeling framed on its format, maybe just got used to the old installer.... I chocked at partitioning time: could not find my way of navigating and chosing the fs type... |
| 06:30.36 | struct | tarzeau: morning |
| 06:30.51 | Element14 | ah. the buttons are confusing sometimes... |
| 06:30.52 | Azar | last year on January... got the CDs, and tried.. found myself on a partition screen with not many options |
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| 06:31.44 | Azar | Element14: I needed to find a way to the screen where I could see my partitions, pick the fs option and pick a size for each.... could not find one |
| 06:31.53 | Element14 | there is. |
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| 06:32.05 | struct | Azar: debian and ubuntu are not in competition |
| 06:32.15 | Azar | struct: I hope so |
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| 06:32.47 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:32.47 | dpkg | well, qotd168 is <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
| 06:33.07 | Azar | Element14: if you ever installed woody you know how easy is to navigate and pick partition sizes, option for the fs, even GO BACK and modify them during installation, I did not see that on Sarge |
| 06:33.54 | Element14 | azar: perhaps u missed that screen or something |
| 06:34.07 | tarzeau | struct: they compete for users (and to be a great software system), by providing software - some software is newer or exists in one or another |
| 06:34.23 | Azar | Element14: maybe... I will wait for the official Etch release CDs to get them and see how I drive |
| 06:35.13 | Element14 | what's the status of etch now btw? |
| 06:35.21 | Azar | I only want Etch with its kernel installed... everything else I want to pick and installl on my own |
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| 06:35.41 | tarzeau | Azar: why? |
| 06:35.43 | Azar | .. and I guess that would be the server version |
| 06:35.53 | tarzeau | Element14: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org soon there |
| 06:35.53 | Azar | tarzeau: because I like to build castles |
| 06:35.59 | Element14 | Azar: when i'm installing over an existing debian system, i tend to use debootstrap ;-p |
| 06:36.46 | Azar | tarzeau: did you see the March 32 jokes? |
| 06:36.52 | tarzeau | Azar: no? |
| 06:36.57 | tarzeau | Azar: april 1? some yes |
| 06:37.13 | tarzeau | struct: have you seen popcon.debian.org and popcon.ubuntu.com yet? 5000 more for ubuntu |
| 06:37.26 | Azar | oh my god! let me look for them for you |
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| 06:47.57 | Azar | ok tarzeau you still around? |
| 06:48.14 | Azar | you got this one? Starting today, 10989 March 1977, Martin Krafft's Debian account is locked and his upload privileges are terminated.. |
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| 06:49.00 | Azar | ChakRa: something wrong? |
| 06:49.32 | tarzeau | Azar: yes i'm there. |
| 06:49.57 | Azar | so did you read that article? |
| 06:50.02 | tarzeau | Azar: no haven't |
| 06:50.25 | Azar | http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/04/msg00001.html |
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| 06:50.44 | Azar | ChakRa: I guess we can help you |
| 06:50.57 | rahul | heh |
| 06:50.59 | rahul | nice one |
| 06:51.00 | Azar | :) |
| 06:51.10 | Azar | hi mister rahul |
| 06:51.10 | rahul | He can contact the DAM |
| 06:51.11 | rahul | to have his email forwarded, by UUCP only[1], for 41 days. |
| 06:51.16 | rahul | UUCP!!!!!! |
| 06:51.23 | Azar | hehe |
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| 06:51.50 | Azar | did you got this one: KDE4 gets HOTTER Hot Nude Stuff: |
| 06:52.18 | tarzeau | neither |
| 06:52.43 | rahul | "not just because of rumours we hear that he voted for Anthony Towns." |
| 06:52.44 | Azar | «Since KDE 3.3 was released in 2004, KDE applications have used the KnuDELibs library KNewPorn to... http://benhay.blogspot.com/2007/04/kde4-gets-hotter-hot-nude-stuff.html |
| 06:52.45 | rahul | bahahaha |
| 06:54.57 | vaq | Are there no way of creating a job in cron that does something like every 30 secounds? |
| 06:55.12 | tarzeau | vaq: yes there is |
| 06:55.34 | tarzeau | vaq: well indirectly.., do something in a minutely one, then do the other something with a sleep 30 minutely |
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| 06:55.59 | Azar | hahaha this one is really sweet: [PATCH] Basic Calendaring Support during libgcj Builds http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/java-patches/2007-q2/msg00000.html |
| 06:56.30 | vaq | tarzeau: so something like: */1 * * * root /usr/sbin/failover; sleep 30; /usr/sbin/failover |
| 06:57.00 | Element14 | vaq: if u need it to run every 30 seconds, u might want to write your own daemon to do it... |
| 06:57.07 | vaq | tarzeau: that would run /usr/sbin/failover every 30 secounds on the machine right? |
| 06:57.15 | Azar | vaq ewwww I had suffered from cron jobs dings on my mail every hour and was houling like a dog.. |
| 06:57.25 | alaya_ | vaq: yes |
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| 06:59.46 | Azar | ok that is it, someone can help ChakRa ? |
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| 07:00.08 | Azar | he looks like an annoying daemon |
| 07:00.40 | Azar | ... or is a daemon.. |
| 07:01.23 | alaya_ | who is chakra? |
| 07:01.40 | Element14 | by help, do u mean /ban ChakRa? |
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| 07:01.45 | Azar | alaya_: I guess is someone how put in auto-rejoin |
| 07:01.59 | Azar | Element14: not ban, just remove it for tonight |
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| 07:02.36 | alaya_ | i don't see any join messages |
| 07:02.53 | Azar | well he is in/out for the past 30 min |
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| 07:03.11 | alaya_ | maybe a really bad net connection? it happens to me a lot also |
| 07:03.24 | alaya_ | someone uses a microwave and the net dies |
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| 07:03.58 | Element14 | wow |
| 07:04.02 | Azar | it rather seems like his dhcp pie share expired but then his nick sticks here |
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| 07:05.54 | wasowski | Anybody here who use Opera have problems with Flash? When I open a few tabs on YouTube, the plugin seems to crash. Any tip? Opera 9.20 (9.10 as well) and Flash 9, debian etch. |
| 07:06.28 | alaya_ | which flash player? |
| 07:07.01 | wasowski | how should I check it out? |
| 07:07.34 | Azar | WHAT? wtf? the CD1 of etch gets you gnome? love it or leave it? |
| 07:08.16 | Azar | no someone tell me is NOT true! |
| 07:08.42 | wasowski | I wonder if there's a sort of poll to choose it |
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| 07:09.03 | Azar | man if it does that, Imnot gonna get the Etch CDs... |
| 07:09.49 | cydork | Azar: there are other cds available for kde and xfce. or dont choose the desktop env. :) |
| 07:10.35 | Azar | cydork: is there a "choice" of saying "no desktop" ? |
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| 07:11.14 | Azar | someone comments: "I find annoying the need to specify the default desktop task before the installer starts" |
| 07:11.26 | Azar | and it should be annoying for some |
| 07:11.35 | cydork | Azar: it's tasksel which installs that. use whatever you want in that or dont :) |
| 07:11.52 | Azar | cydork: http://beranger.org/index.php?article=2243 |
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| 07:12.37 | Azar | well I assume I will try to find "server" not "desktop" version wonder what the server "serves" |
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| 07:20.10 | Azar | hey tarzeau... have you read the voting problems due to unusal character in Raphaël Hertzog's name? |
| 07:20.25 | Azar | http://beranger.org/index.php?categ=19&offset=0 |
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| 07:22.22 | Azar | hahahaha! developers with non-ASCII names should simply be ruled ineligible |
| 07:23.33 | Eclipser | bah |
| 07:25.41 | Eclipser | that's rather funny |
| 07:25.48 | Eclipser | but not funny enough to laugh :< |
| 07:26.15 | Azar | is there a package named glame, or is just a joke? |
| 07:26.56 | Azar | * debian/glame.xpm: Add crappy menu icon. |
| 07:26.59 | Azar | * debian/rules: Install crappy menu icon. |
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| 07:27.30 | Azar | * debian/glame.menu: Make use of crappy menu icon. ?? |
| 07:28.27 | Eclipser | !info glame |
| 07:28.32 | dpkg | glame: (versatile audio processor), section sound, is extra. Version: 2.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 803 kB, Installed size: 2116 kB |
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| 07:28.59 | Azar | wow so it is for real :) |
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| 07:29.40 | alaya_ | wow how do you pronounce an e-umlaut? |
| 07:29.58 | wasowski | I don't |
| 07:32.04 | rahul | alaya_: "e" |
| 07:32.15 | rahul | alaya_: that is, e does not take an umlaut |
| 07:32.28 | rahul | it takes a dieresis or however that's spelled |
| 07:32.43 | rahul | which means you have two consecutive vowel sounds |
| 07:32.50 | alaya_ | rahul: but the spelling above of "Raphael" had one |
| 07:32.57 | Azar | eu should sound like ewwww |
| 07:33.06 | rahul | alaya_: exactly, you pronounce both the a and the e separately |
| 07:33.06 | Azar | ... or could? |
| 07:33.09 | alaya_ | diaresis is an umlaut |
| 07:33.17 | rahul | alaya_: no, it's not |
| 07:33.28 | rahul | it's the same glyph, but a different meaning |
| 07:33.45 | Azar | Rafel? Rafal? |
| 07:33.54 | rahul | Rafa-el |
| 07:33.59 | alaya_ | so in german, what is ä ? |
| 07:34.08 | rahul | I can't see your ? :P |
| 07:34.21 | rahul | damn utf-8-incapable crap |
| 07:34.27 | tarzeau | Azar: you know i've also had troubles with my name (umlauts in both names) |
| 07:34.36 | Azar | in german oe with that non-ascii is like a long sweet o...e |
| 07:34.38 | alaya_ | should be a-umlaut, but the two dots can also be called diaresis? |
| 07:34.48 | tarzeau | Azar: it's problematic with editors, debian packaging tools, pgp signing tools and manual pages |
| 07:34.48 | rahul | alaya_: depending on the language |
| 07:35.11 | Azar | tarzeau: me too and I changed my name, I hate having people staring at me and asking: say again please? |
| 07:35.12 | rahul | alaya_: in german, it's an umlaut. a-umlaut is a high middle vowel |
| 07:35.43 | psyco-ob1wan | hah, just cloned a live etch system into vmware only with 'dd' and qemu-img... i love it when a plan works ;-) |
| 07:35.50 | rahul | o-umlaut is a rounded middle vowel |
| 07:36.00 | rahul | u-umlaut is a rounded front vowel |
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| 07:36.11 | alaya_ | ö is written anglicized as oe |
| 07:36.14 | en1gma | hi all wuzzup |
| 07:36.36 | rahul | alaya_: yeah, suffixing an e to the vowel is a way of represeting an umlaut |
| 07:37.00 | rahul | but there's no equiv for a dieresis |
| 07:37.09 | alaya_ | i see |
| 07:37.15 | en1gma | i did a 'apt-get -d dist-update' and then i copied all those files to a usb stick....is there a command i can do that will install all those files with one command |
| 07:37.47 | rahul | you could use a - before the vowel if you're desperate |
| 07:37.53 | alaya_ | en1gma: dpkg -i * |
| 07:38.01 | en1gma | ahhh ok thnx man |
| 07:38.02 | Tallu | hmm, is there a way to change the resolution of a tty without a reboot? |
| 07:38.30 | en1gma | 'dpkg -i /path/path/path ? |
| 07:38.36 | alaya_ | Tallu: i think that next gen vesa fb thing from gentoo can |
| 07:39.22 | en1gma | ok i gonna try i got to reboot first.bbiam |
| 07:39.36 | rahul | alaya_: "next gen"? |
| 07:39.47 | rahul | I didn't realize "next gen" happened 5 years ago |
| 07:39.59 | alaya_ | rahul: i think its vesafbng or something to that effect |
| 07:39.59 | cdefgab | hahaha |
| 07:40.02 | rahul | Tallu: there are a number of ways |
| 07:40.18 | rahul | Tallu: if you're using an accelerated fbcon, use fbset |
| 07:40.36 | alaya_ | rahul: kind of like a lot of "next gen" projects, muttng, rxvtng, madwifi-ng, etc. |
| 07:40.48 | rahul | if you're using a vga textmode console, use svgatextmode |
| 07:41.06 | rahul | alaya_: fbcon is not next gen and it has nothing to do with gentoo |
| 07:41.42 | alaya_ | rahul: there is some enhanced vesa fb replacement they made |
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| 07:41.52 | rahul | who in their right mind would use vesa fb? |
| 07:42.00 | rahul | oh wait, it's for gentoo users |
| 07:42.08 | rahul | !gentoosmite alaya_ |
| 07:42.21 | alaya_ | rahul: vesa for hi-res console tty |
| 07:42.47 | cdefgab | displaying unicode needs fb |
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| 07:43.09 | alaya_ | ah its called vesa-tng |
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| 07:43.33 | alaya_ | http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/vesafb-tng/ |
| 07:43.50 | rahul | alaya_: I'd rather get higher res at higher speeds, thanks |
| 07:44.06 | alaya_ | rahul: huh? |
| 07:44.07 | rahul | actually dpkg underestimated |
| 07:44.16 | rahul | vesa is a lot more than 8% slower |
| 07:44.20 | alaya_ | higher res for a tty? |
| 07:44.37 | cafuego | rahul: yes, but the -funroll-loops speeds it back up |
| 07:44.42 | rahul | heh |
| 07:44.59 | alaya_ | how do you get higher res in a tty? |
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| 07:46.04 | McZonk | hello, how do i force debian to remove a package? when i try dpkg --purge it doesn't remove it |
| 07:46.12 | alaya_ | not sure why you're bagging on vesa. its pretty much the standard way to have a higher res console that works on most cards. |
| 07:46.19 | rahul | alaya_: fbset. |
| 07:46.23 | cafuego | alaya_: yes, but it's *slow* |
| 07:46.56 | rahul | I'd rather use something that's faster and can do more resolutions |
| 07:47.15 | rahul | in fact, can do ANY resolutions. I run my console at 840x525 |
| 07:47.28 | rahul | do THAT on a vesafb |
| 07:47.42 | rahul | even your fancy slowass gentoo one |
| 07:47.44 | alaya_ | cafuego: agreed. painfully slow. but can't you change the baud rate in inittab? i thought it was set to 38400 for some reason |
| 07:47.44 | Azar | McZonk: try aptitude remove |
| 07:47.49 | rahul | baud? |
| 07:47.50 | rahul | haha |
| 07:48.00 | rahul | alaya_: where do you get this nonsense? |
| 07:48.12 | cafuego | alaya_: Not on a framebuffer, no. |
| 07:48.14 | alaya_ | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
| 07:48.30 | cafuego | alaya_: fbdev runs at 60hz |
| 07:48.39 | alaya_ | so the fb ignores the getty baud setting? |
| 07:48.45 | cafuego | it;s a *graphical* mode, which is unrelated to baud rate |
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| 07:49.21 | alaya_ | what kernel option do you use? not vga=<some mode> ? |
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| 07:49.28 | rahul | /dev/tty[0-9]? ignore baud rate |
| 07:49.50 | rahul | video=radeonfb:840x525MR-32@60 |
| 07:50.30 | cafuego | But *that* would mean invisting $money in ATI. |
| 07:50.46 | cdefgab | ??? |
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| 07:51.08 | rahul | I got this card for damn cheap |
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| 07:51.31 | cafuego | who did you stab for it? |
| 07:51.32 | rahul | $200 5 years ago for a radeon 9700 pro |
| 07:51.41 | rahul | they accidentally gave me a pro instead of a normal |
| 07:51.46 | alaya_ | rahul: i've tried some of the chipset-specific fb drivers in the kernel and never had much luck with most of them |
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| 07:52.01 | cafuego | alaya_: matroxfb is your friend in that regard |
| 07:52.11 | cdefgab | rahul: 9500 > 9700? |
| 07:52.15 | nemo | cafuego: boo! |
| 07:52.19 | cafuego | nemo! |
| 07:52.38 | cafuego | nemo: Donna and I will probably join you on the Batman thing |
| 07:52.47 | cafuego | based on title I assume that's Justin Hamilton |
| 07:52.57 | McZonk | Azar: i found the package, but i just can purge or remove, but aptitude also is unable to remove it |
| 07:52.57 | rahul | cafuego: which of you two will be Robin? |
| 07:53.10 | cafuego | !rahoosmite rahul |
| 07:53.15 | alaya_ | also, can't some of those funky chipset-specific ones actually affect X, i.e. make it crash? |
| 07:53.17 | rahul | heh |
| 07:53.33 | rahul | alaya_: not any more than the vesa one, that I've seen |
| 07:53.40 | nemo | cafuego: execlent. exactly what I wanted to know :) |
| 07:53.58 | alaya_ | rahul: i see. |
| 07:53.58 | cafuego | nemo: But don't bother booking, we host his stuff and will be telling himwe need entry ;-) |
| 07:54.13 | alaya_ | cafuego: so matroxfb can work with most chips? |
| 07:54.25 | cafuego | alaya_: most matrox chips, yes |
| 07:54.27 | nemo | cafuego: heh. how many people are you telling him you need entry for then? ;) |
| 07:54.43 | cafuego | Just two, I'm afraid... poor artist and all that ;-) |
| 07:54.53 | nemo | that's cool :) |
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| 07:55.05 | cafuego | maybe even just the one |
| 07:55.12 | cafuego | see how Donna goes getting a pass this year |
| 07:55.15 | nemo | oh? |
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| 07:55.25 | cafuego | she's nominally directing Adam Richard |
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| 07:55.59 | nemo | ahh, I didn't know she did that. v./ cool |
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| 07:56.25 | cafuego | oh yeah, multi-talented :-) |
| 07:56.35 | dalias | apparently the debian kernel i'm using (linux-image-2.6.18-4-686) has some sort of nonexecutable page feature in it |
| 07:56.52 | dalias | and it's making it impossible for me to run certain foreign binaries |
| 07:57.09 | dalias | anyone know details on which patch this is and if there's a runtime way to disable it? |
| 07:57.23 | cafuego | define 'foreign binaries' |
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| 07:57.35 | nemo | cafuego: any others of interest? or will we just see you there? :) |
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| 07:58.01 | dalias | plain linux a.out binaries with signal trampolines on the stack |
| 07:58.02 | cafuego | nemo: that was the only one that jumped out, not checked the others yet |
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| 07:58.36 | nemo | *nodnod* we're hoping to book most stuff tonight to get laughpack deals |
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| 07:59.08 | nemo | I'm about to wander from the computer, cos I'm meant to be moving furniture between rooms. (bleah fun yay joy stuff) |
| 07:59.22 | Azar | hmmmm ok... I learn something new: I allways used "su" to access administrative tasks, never used "sudo" ... question: does that using "su" is wrong? |
| 07:59.24 | nemo | heh, damn you craxy melbournites! ;) |
| 07:59.28 | CartoonCat | Hello, Anyone have a idea as to what ot look for in fluxbox that could cause it to stop allowing access Xconsole? |
| 07:59.36 | cafuego | I need to do a rebooting and 64 bit install |
| 07:59.52 | nemo | heh |
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| 08:00.05 | cafuego | nemo: hey, we need *some* perks for putting up with the dreary weather ;-) |
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| 08:00.43 | nemo | cafuego: you mean 300days of sun every year, AND 300 days of rain every year? |
| 08:00.51 | cafuego | yup! |
| 08:01.09 | cafuego | (not to mention 300 days of hto and 300 days of freezing) |
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| 08:01.19 | dalias | no ideas? |
| 08:01.20 | nemo | cafuego: *grins* |
| 08:01.24 | nemo | (more, that is :) |
| 08:01.42 | nemo | cafuego: see /msg... |
| 08:02.29 | cafuego | you're not authenticated |
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| 08:06.05 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: look in the openbox menu config and see what command it launching Xconsole and try to run it manually |
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| 08:06.30 | CartoonCat | okies |
| 08:06.49 | clemyeats | is it possible to tell APT to ignore upgrades for 1 specific package ? |
| 08:07.15 | alaya_ | clemyeats: yes you can put it on hold |
| 08:07.31 | clemyeats | alaya_: do you set that in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
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| 08:07.58 | alaya_ | echo <packagename> hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 08:08.09 | clemyeats | excellent |
| 08:08.14 | clemyeats | alaya_: thanks a lot. |
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| 08:08.29 | evilgeek | hm. is there a way to get sun java to work with the firefox in sarge on amd64? |
| 08:08.48 | clemyeats | also, is it possible to "trigger" (launch a script for instance) upon upgrade on a specific package ? |
| 08:08.52 | evilgeek | (the sun java plugin, i mean.) |
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| 08:09.47 | fengor | morning... hmm ok somehow the autoaway fr irssi didnt work as expected |
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| 08:10.25 | aidehua | I'm using ssh over a very laggy connection. It would be nice to have local echo. Does anyone know a wrapper for OpenSSH, or even another ssh client, that does this? |
| 08:10.28 | alaya_ | clemyeats: no idea, but maybe you could make a script look in the dpkg log |
| 08:11.05 | clemyeats | ok |
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| 08:12.02 | CartoonCat | alaya_, it just has [exex] (Xconsole) {xconsole} |
| 08:13.11 | dondelelcaro | aidehua: if it's that laggy, just type commands into a buffer and paste them in |
| 08:13.38 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: update-alternatives --display Xconsole see what it is linked to |
| 08:13.39 | CartoonCat | btw, the exact error is "Couldnt open console" |
| 08:13.51 | dondelelcaro | aidehua: because there's no way to know if a keypress actually results in modifcation of what appears on the terminal, local echo can't really be used. |
| 08:14.02 | aidehua | dondelelcaro: sure. A local echo would be friendlier :) |
| 08:14.29 | aidehua | dondelelcaro: I can guess at ways to implement a local echo that wouldn't suck too much :) (e.g. one that just assumed you were at a shell all the time.) |
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| 08:14.52 | dondelelcaro | it'd still have horrible issues |
| 08:14.59 | aidehua | dondelelcaro: but yes, you are right, it's impossible to implement in a completely correct way. |
| 08:15.12 | dondelelcaro | imagine dealing with tab and arrow keys, for example. |
| 08:15.25 | tarzeau | is it possible devscripts forget to depend on liburi-perl ? |
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| 08:15.49 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it Suggests it |
| 08:16.01 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: it fails here because it doesn't depend on it |
| 08:16.07 | nemo | cafuego: back again... :) |
| 08:16.14 | aidehua | ...which leads me to think that the correct way to do a "local echo" mode would be in the terminal, not the SSH client. |
| 08:16.15 | CartoonCat | says there are none |
| 08:16.32 | Azar | why etch will stick with glibc 2.3 and not go up to 2.4 series : http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070402#news |
| 08:16.51 | Azar | newer is not allways better |
| 08:16.53 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: it doesn't fail; devscripts contains a whole bunch of scripts, not all of which require liburi-perl. |
| 08:17.08 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: dch failed for me, i guess i shouldn't file a bug |
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| 08:17.09 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: this is why it Suggests: liburi-perl; if you want to use dch, you need to install it yourself. |
| 08:17.11 | Azar | hello honorable dondelecaro |
| 08:17.11 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: install rxvt-unicode or some other terminal. update-alternatives --config Xconsole to configure the link |
| 08:17.17 | tarzeau | i see |
| 08:17.44 | dondelelcaro | (the actual dependencies of each of the scripts are listed after them in the package description) |
| 08:17.45 | CartoonCat | alaya_, okies |
| 08:18.18 | CartoonCat | alaya_, btw, i did install xterminal via aptitude |
| 08:19.22 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: you might like something like gnome-terminal which has tabs |
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| 08:19.23 | CartoonCat | yea i see rxvt-cjt so im trying that one |
| 08:19.46 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: isn't that the chinese font one? |
| 08:19.51 | CartoonCat | now i could just figure out this dns issue |
| 08:19.56 | CartoonCat | said it was the color one |
| 08:20.13 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: rxvt-unicode is the best one IMHO |
| 08:20.20 | alaya_ | it also supports color |
| 08:20.26 | alaya_ | plus unicode |
| 08:20.31 | CartoonCat | ah k |
| 08:20.45 | supaman | hey guys.. i just used apt-get to install aim and xchat but how to i execute them? |
| 08:21.00 | supaman | <--- sorry noob :( |
| 08:21.04 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: you may need to edit your ~/.bashrc to get color with things like ls |
| 08:22.00 | dondelelcaro | supaman: you either run them from the Debian menu, or from the command line. |
| 08:22.04 | dondelelcaro | supaman: your choice. |
| 08:22.23 | CartoonCat | alaya_ yea need to with my root user, already did with my normal user (btw, this was a running setup till i upgraded nvidia + kernal and a few other packages in the last few days) |
| 08:22.24 | supaman | oooo can we make a shortcut and add them to the kde desktop? |
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| 08:23.36 | alaya_ | supaman: right-click on desktop and Create new... |
| 08:23.49 | supaman | ok ty :P |
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| 08:24.27 | CartoonCat | alaya_, update still says none found |
| 08:25.01 | CartoonCat | must really have something bongo in the config someplace |
| 08:25.07 | supaman | oh one more thing.. where does apt-get download the files by default? |
| 08:25.40 | alaya_ | supaman: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 08:26.08 | supaman | cool.. im sooo sorry im such a noob |
| 08:26.13 | supaman | ty for helping alaya |
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| 08:27.04 | HD|Laptop | !d-mm? |
| 08:27.12 | CartoonCat | alaya_, anything else to try? |
| 08:27.45 | alaya_ | CartoonCat: just edit the menu and run whatever terminal you want |
| 08:28.18 | alaya_ | i.e. change xconsole to urxvt or gnome-terminal or something |
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| 08:29.07 | CartoonCat | alaya_, okies, hopefuly i dont make this worse (what ever happened in the first place) |
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| 08:29.15 | davut | hi |
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| 08:31.13 | alaya_ | hi. i must sleep now. bye |
| 08:31.20 | supaman | nite alaya |
| 08:31.33 | CartoonCat | bye alaya_, ty for your help |
| 08:31.39 | davut | hi I am trying to install a generic kernel on debian and stuck into this process |
| 08:31.41 | alaya_ | ok goodlukc |
| 08:31.47 | alaya_ | goodluck even |
| 08:31.57 | davut | I am now getting "Fatal: error inserting ide_generic" |
| 08:32.11 | davut | I have installed it as module |
| 08:32.16 | davut | wtf is this? |
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| 08:32.59 | tarzeau | azeem: about #414749 is it ok to have uae in Suggests? |
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| 08:36.50 | streuner | !dbugs 414749 |
| 08:36.54 | dpkg | #414749:I[xdms] xdms mustn't recommend uae; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:27:02 UTC |
| 08:37.06 | janttsu | google seems to be down.. |
| 08:37.10 | janttsu | can't get there from finland |
| 08:37.42 | streuner | jane: http://www.google.de/ |
| 08:37.48 | streuner | janttsu: http://www.google.de/ |
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| 08:44.23 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:44.23 | dpkg | i guess qotd105 is bob2: rexec makes baby jesus cry |
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| 08:45.54 | tarzeau | what about the bets when the next stable release (etch) is? |
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| 08:46.23 | streuner | tarzeau: /topic |
| 08:46.46 | tarzeau | streuner: what about the /topic? nothing about the bets there |
| 08:47.01 | tarzeau | streuner: dpkg was able to track bets of people |
| 08:47.09 | dalias | i'm using the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 and the noexec=off kernel command line option does not seem to work |
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| 08:47.44 | dalias | cat /proc/self/maps still shows non-executable stack and programs that try to execute code on the stack crash |
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| 08:48.50 | streuner | tarezau: /msg dpkg etch pool |
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| 08:49.24 | dalias | any ideas? |
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| 08:49.39 | streuner | tarezau: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=etch&term=key |
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| 08:50.00 | zophy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.42 | zophy | etch ? |
| 08:50.45 | zophy | 2008 |
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| 08:50.57 | zophy | 7/6/2008 |
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| 08:51.26 | liable | i say 10 days |
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| 08:52.03 | zophy | lemme see what update sez.... |
| 08:52.17 | liable | so, that makes it the 14th |
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| 08:53.31 | zophy | 80 meg of upgrade is promising |
| 08:54.14 | liable | actually, next monday |
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| 08:54.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 08:55.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just bought a 250GB external hard drive |
| 08:55.09 | streuner | only Debian's RM's could tell you about and they would say when its ready, so any other speculation isn't helpful |
| 08:55.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's formatted in NTFS, which of course doesn't work too well w/the Linux kernel |
| 08:55.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | What FS should I format it to? |
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| 08:56.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | the FAT file systems have size restrictions |
| 08:56.15 | clemyeats | Dark_Apostrophe: ext3 ? |
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| 08:56.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | clemyeats: That's what I was thinking, but I wanted a second opinion |
| 08:56.53 | clemyeats | Dark_Apostrophe: do you plan to use it only under Linux ? |
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| 08:56.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah |
| 08:57.22 | clemyeats | Dark_Apostrophe: then ext3 is probably the most popular option. Alternatively: reiserfs. |
| 08:57.23 | neil | ugh anyone know anything about ldap-pam? Ive got a problem where the actual login works but the it complains about not ebing able to find the group name. So evidentally ive missed the group setting somewhere although getent group is fine |
| 08:57.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Storing movies, TV shows, photos etc... |
| 08:57.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | clemyeats: Which of the two would you prefer? |
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| 08:58.47 | clemyeats | Dark_Apostrophe: mkfs.ext3 /dev/yourdevice should do the job. I used to prefer reiserfs back in my slcakware days, now I use ext3... I've been happy with both. I guess most distributions go for ext3 by default, so if unsure just follow the mass :) |
| 08:59.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Alrighty |
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| 08:59.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks |
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| 09:00.27 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:00.32 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
| 09:00.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Etch? |
| 09:00.49 | Mazingaro | yes |
| 09:01.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nope |
| 09:01.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Still 61 bugs |
| 09:01.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 09:01.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | You can watch the status there daily |
| 09:01.35 | Mazingaro | damn they grow in number |
| 09:01.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, when someone discovers more bugs |
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| 09:03.19 | HD|Laptop | hello |
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| 09:06.05 | dalias | ...... i'm about to kill someone @ debian... |
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| 09:06.55 | dalias | for wiping out /tmp on boot |
| 09:07.15 | Plasm0duck | well I'm out for the night people, ttyl |
| 09:07.15 | JarJarBinks|meta | isn't that common practiced |
| 09:07.22 | streuner | sounds rather like a PEBCAC |
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| 09:07.27 | xand | dalias: that's meant to happen, duh |
| 09:07.30 | rambo3 | !fstab dalias |
| 09:07.33 | xand | nothing to do with debian |
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| 09:07.47 | dalias | thank goodness it was just a source tree that took hours to compile and not lost data from system crash |
| 09:07.54 | Tallu | streuner: it's pebkac! |
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| 09:08.01 | evilgeek | why did you have something you care about in /tmp? |
| 09:08.02 | streuner | Tallu: yeah |
| 09:08.13 | Tallu | streuner: not that it matters much :) |
| 09:08.15 | evilgeek | like, that's dumb. for exactly this reason. |
| 09:08.28 | dalias | then when your system crashes, the files get deleted so you can't recover |
| 09:08.31 | dalias | fucking beautiful |
| 09:08.31 | evilgeek | actually, was this for some strange disk quota reasons? |
| 09:08.53 | xand | dalias: then don't store them there, DUH |
| 09:09.07 | dalias | xand, where else would you store TEMP files but in /tmp ?? |
| 09:09.22 | xand | dalias: why do you think it's "temporary"?: |
| 09:09.30 | xand | your system shouldn't be crashing |
| 09:09.34 | dalias | temporary doesn't mean free-to-delete-anytime-you-please |
| 09:09.43 | xand | no, and that doesn't happen |
| 09:09.43 | JarJarBinks|meta | dalias: ~/tmp |
| 09:09.51 | evilgeek | temporary does mean that the system is free to kill /tmp on boot, though. |
| 09:09.53 | dalias | then why even have /tmp? |
| 09:09.56 | xand | it's wiped on boot, like every other *nix machine |
| 09:10.00 | xand | dalias: stop trolling now. |
| 09:10.02 | clemyeats | temporary means non-persistent -> definitely gone after a reboot. |
| 09:10.07 | dalias | not trolling, i'm mad |
| 09:10.13 | evilgeek | why have /tmp? because it's sometimes useful to have temporary files. |
| 09:10.31 | dalias | anyway i just fixed it by removing the lines from init.d/bootclean |
| 09:10.35 | clemyeats | if mutt wanted to keep track of half-written emails it should use another place to store its cache. |
| 09:10.38 | evilgeek | we've noticed. but you'd have to be mad to store things you care about in /tmp. |
| 09:10.38 | dalias | so i won't get burned again |
| 09:10.39 | xand | you mean you broke it |
| 09:10.42 | clemyeats | blame mutt, don't blame /tmp :) |
| 09:10.47 | evilgeek | you'll get burned by /tmp filling up instead. |
| 09:10.53 | JarJarBinks|meta | dalias: you'll get burned, wh ^^^ |
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| 09:11.04 | JarJarBinks|meta | evilgeek: you took the words out of my mouth |
| 09:11.10 | xand | fix the crashing problem. |
| 09:11.19 | xand | /tmp being emptied is not a problem |
| 09:11.54 | Harpette | i'm a bit confused: i removed gnome-screensaver with the help of Synaptic, then later it occurred to me that there might be some pkgs which depend on it, so i asked apt-cache for rdepends, and got some. So i thought that Synaptic should've either removed them, or warned me. I also tried a "apt-get -f install" which replies "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded". So it looks like apt-cache is mistaken, right? |
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| 09:11.59 | dalias | if you have a system crash (which should be rare, but nonetheless sometimes does happen) the LAST thing you want is for the only remaining copy of the unsaved data you were working on to be deleted as soon as it boots again.. |
| 09:12.15 | xand | don't reboot it then |
| 09:12.31 | evilgeek | you shouldn't have the stuff you're working on in /tmp. you should have it someplace safe. |
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| 09:12.39 | clemyeats | dalias: right, so the last thing you want is for your apps to use tmp if they plan to keep track of their cache ! :) |
| 09:12.42 | xand | dalias: *nix machines have always emptied /tmp on boot. for decades. |
| 09:12.51 | evilgeek | the /tmp directory is for temporary files. temporary files should not be important. |
| 09:12.52 | dalias | no |
| 09:12.56 | dalias | slackware has never done that |
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| 09:13.08 | JarJarBinks|meta | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.11 | Harpette | the filesystem standard says so |
| 09:13.12 | Axehat | Mornin' all |
| 09:13.14 | JarJarBinks|meta | typically |
| 09:13.19 | xand | dalias: it's broken then |
| 09:13.45 | dalias | the standard says you can't assume they'll persist, not that the implementation must delete |
| 09:13.47 | JarJarBinks|meta | anyway, dalias sorry to hear about your data loss |
| 09:14.06 | dalias | jarjarbinks, well like i said thankfully it was only the emacs tree i just compiled |
| 09:14.11 | dalias | and not irreplacable data |
| 09:14.14 | xand | well, evidently you DID assume they'll persist |
| 09:14.42 | xand | can we make this into an editor flamewar? :) |
| 09:14.53 | dalias | :) |
| 09:15.00 | evilgeek | dalias: why the hell would you put irreplacable data on /tmp? |
| 09:15.19 | clemyeats | let's put it that way, if I wrote an email reader and wanted drafts to be auto-saved, I wouldn't store them in /tmp... because the reason there is a /tmp in the first place is to have a place where stuff is flushed now and then. |
| 09:15.19 | Harpette | i had a app (xfce?) create a million of empty files on /tmp over time, then /tmp was as full, since it had reached the limit of the number of files it can have, yet a "du" wouldn't show it as full. Ever since i mount /tmp on tmpfs |
| 09:15.33 | dalias | evilgeek, well my example was the case of writing a long email, and having the temp file kept (naturally) in /tmp |
| 09:15.45 | evilgeek | use pine instead of mutt, then. |
| 09:15.53 | dalias | pine is non-free!! |
| 09:15.57 | evilgeek | i don't think pine puts things the user would care about in /tmp. |
| 09:15.59 | dalias | and royally sucks |
| 09:16.03 | evilgeek | but pine is less dumb than mutt, apparently. |
| 09:16.14 | Harpette | var/tmp is the /tmp where you wanna keep files |
| 09:16.24 | dalias | no, pine just uses a shitty internal editor (so the only copy is in ram) instead of calling your favorite external editor |
| 09:16.36 | karsten | evilgeek: Nope. |
| 09:16.37 | clemyeats | dalias: then patch mutt (you like free stuff, use the source so). |
| 09:16.41 | evilgeek | it can be asked to call your favourite external editor. |
| 09:16.51 | karsten | evilgeek: as can mutt |
| 09:16.55 | dalias | clemyeats, i'll see if there's an option for the temp path |
| 09:16.57 | karsten | evilgeek: $EDITOR by default. |
| 09:17.07 | evilgeek | karsten: i'm mistaken? weird; i've never lost half-composed email with pine. |
| 09:17.21 | karsten | evilgeek: I've very rarely done so with mutt. |
| 09:17.40 | evilgeek | dalias apparently has, though. |
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| 09:18.06 | dalias | evilgeek, nope, because i've never sent mail from a debian box before |
| 09:18.10 | evilgeek | oh. |
| 09:18.14 | dalias | obviously i'm rather new to debian |
| 09:18.19 | dalias | or i would have known it rm'd /tmp |
| 09:18.25 | karsten | evilgeek: There's a drafts folder, if you actually get around to saving. Stuff saves to /tmp by default. If you manage to reboot or wait long enough, bootclean or tmpreaper will get the tempfiles. |
| 09:18.27 | evilgeek | you also seem to be rather new to the concept of temporary storage. |
| 09:18.41 | evilgeek | karsten: with pine or with mutt? |
| 09:18.46 | karsten | evilgeek: mutt |
| 09:18.52 | evilgeek | karsten: yeah. that's bad. |
| 09:19.02 | karsten | evilgeek: I haven't used pine since ... 1997 or thereabouts. |
| 09:19.14 | karsten | evilgeek: I've used mutt since 1999 or thereabouts. |
| 09:19.16 | evilgeek | i use pine because mutt's default keybindings are dumb. |
| 09:19.30 | dalias | i can't stand pine |
| 09:19.32 | evilgeek | (yes, i know that you can change them. no, it's not worth my time to change them.) |
| 09:19.39 | karsten | evilgeek: *that* is a really bad reason. There's specifically a pine keybinding file. |
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| 09:20.08 | dalias | navigating thru multilevel menus feels like a text version of windows... |
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| 09:20.13 | karsten | evilgeek: /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/Pine.rc |
| 09:20.34 | karsten | evilgeek: Though finger-memory is the mother of all lock-in traps. |
| 09:20.48 | karsten | dalias: Aye. |
| 09:20.55 | evilgeek | yes, but it would require at least a few minutes of my time for me to figure out how to do it. and another few minutes of my time to learn to type 'mutt' rather than 'pine'. and another few minutes of my time bitching on #debian when i lose an email. and so forth. |
| 09:21.07 | dalias | evilgeek, lol :) |
| 09:21.09 | karsten | evilgeek: 'alias pine=mutt' |
| 09:21.29 | karsten | evilgeek: bitching on #debian is free. |
| 09:21.32 | evilgeek | point is that i have no reason to switch from pine to mutt other than to satisfy some free software geeks' perverse desire to have me use mutt rather than pine. |
| 09:21.37 | dalias | but you'd save 10 seconds of /-\|/-\|... each time you start mutt |
| 09:21.41 | karsten | evilgeek: ... so long as you go to oftc first ;-) |
| 09:21.51 | karsten | dalias: "each time you start"? |
| 09:21.51 | evilgeek | oftc? |
| 09:22.02 | dalias | (i.e. mutt doesn't sit there for 10 seconds opening your mail folders like pine does) |
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| 09:22.11 | karsten | evilgeek: The Other IRC Network. |
| 09:22.13 | xand | pine is nicer than mutt |
| 09:22.13 | karsten | !oftc |
| 09:22.13 | dpkg | from memory, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 09:22.22 | karsten | xand: mutt is cuter than pine. |
| 09:22.30 | myren_ | screen is the greatest program eer created |
| 09:22.36 | xand | karsten: dogs arent' cute |
| 09:22.38 | myren_ | better even than gcc |
| 09:22.39 | dalias | karsten, mine is persistent too, but i figured not everyone would have the luxury of screen :) |
| 09:22.42 | karsten | karsten 2147 0.0 0.2 9132 668 pts/4 Ss Jan01 0:35 mutt |
| 09:22.46 | myren_ | better than the linux kernel |
| 09:22.52 | evilgeek | karsten: i do more or less the same. except i have one window with pine on one machine and another window with another screen containing two pine windows on different machines. |
| 09:22.58 | streuner | myren_: without gcc screen would exist? |
| 09:23.14 | dalias | streuner, screen is older than gcc i think :) |
| 09:23.18 | evilgeek | karsten: and i don't think those other different machines have mutt installed, being ancient suns. |
| 09:23.33 | dalias | actually probably not quite |
| 09:23.40 | dalias | but older than widespread usage of gcc |
| 09:23.47 | dalias | screen dates back to 1987 |
| 09:23.57 | clemyeats | gcc is older than gcc :) |
| 09:23.59 | myren_ | how the fuck did people operate before screen? |
| 09:24.01 | myren_ | i cant even imagine |
| 09:24.09 | karsten | evilgeek: What are these other machines? |
| 09:24.20 | dalias | the original versions of screen didn't have detachign, just multiplexing |
| 09:24.21 | myren_ | being unable to detach sessions.... egads |
| 09:24.21 | karsten | myren_: with emacs! |
| 09:24.31 | myren_ | karsten: true. :) |
| 09:24.33 | dalias | karsten, :)))))) |
| 09:24.38 | myren_ | (dirty emacs users) |
| 09:24.41 | evilgeek | karsten: ancient sun machines maintained by the university. |
| 09:24.44 | dalias | but... if your emacs session wasn't persistent... |
| 09:24.55 | myren_ | i used to download & compile screen on the uni machines |
| 09:25.06 | myren_ | old sun os machines and sparc stations |
| 09:25.07 | karsten | evilgeek: Set up a .forward. |
| 09:25.10 | karsten | evilgeek: Problem solved. |
| 09:25.18 | dalias | myren_, unfortunately back in the day that left you wide open to tty-snooping by other users :( |
| 09:25.28 | evilgeek | karsten: problem not solved; sensitive email arrives on those machines that really shouldn't be forwarded. |
| 09:25.33 | dalias | because the pty-allocation system was insecure |
| 09:25.34 | karsten | evilgeek: Officially, my work email is MS Exchange. |
| 09:25.40 | dalias | unless screen was suid-root |
| 09:25.44 | myren_ | anyone reading my keystream would go criminally insane |
| 09:25.50 | evilgeek | karsten: and there are times when one machine is down but another machine is not, and a .forward would cause mail delays or mail loss. |
| 09:25.51 | myren_ | its the myren security system |
| 09:25.57 | karsten | evilgeek: Write a .procmailrc rule to auto-encrypt to your GPG key, and forward. |
| 09:26.09 | karsten | evilgeek: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 09:26.16 | myren_ | type faster and hash through windows faster than the human minds' grasp on reality |
| 09:26.21 | evilgeek | karsten: problem still unsolved for legal reasons. |
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| 09:26.32 | evilgeek | karsten: and it's not even a problem, so yeah. |
| 09:26.45 | dalias | while you guys are happy to bitch at me, anyone else experienced problems with noexec=off kernel option not working? |
| 09:26.51 | karsten | evilgeek: You call yourself an evil geek and you're going to let a little thing like the law stop you? |
| 09:26.59 | dalias | w/ linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 09:27.01 | evilgeek | karsten: this seems like too much work to do something that won't even benefit me. |
| 09:27.21 | myren_ | fuck ass bitch, .innerHTML has some big deficiencies. such as, id's created in the .innerHTML dont actually get created. |
| 09:27.41 | karsten | evilgeek: *shrug*. You state issues. I state solutions. If you wanted to resolve the issue I'm sure there's a way you could do it, within the parameters you've defined. |
| 09:27.55 | karsten | evilgeek: The .forward doesn't have to go outside your organizational perimiter, f'rex. |
| 09:28.12 | karsten | dalias: noexec=off does what? |
| 09:28.47 | karsten | dalias: ...ohter than not work? |
| 09:29.09 | dalias | well, it's supposed to disable the feature that protects pages (especially the stack) as non-executable |
| 09:29.23 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 09:29.48 | karsten | dalias: NFC, sorry. |
| 09:29.56 | dalias | so that binaries which rely on data/stack being executable will work without modification or the need to be run with a special wrapper, etc. |
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| 09:36.09 | myren_ | bed time BAH |
| 09:36.14 | myren_ | totally in all nighter mode today |
| 09:36.22 | myren_ | gotta get this fucking hotel navigator ROLLING |
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| 09:41.11 | MrWup | hi |
| 09:41.21 | MrWup | anyone know how to easily install GTK+ on debian? |
| 09:41.41 | myren_ | apt-get install libgtk2 |
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| 09:42.03 | MrWup | couldnt find package libgtk2 |
| 09:42.22 | MrWup | im on ftp.uk.debian.org too |
| 09:42.28 | MrWup | and ive done apt-get updarte |
| 09:42.43 | myren_ | apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 09:42.46 | fengor | what's your sources.list? |
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| 09:43.29 | MrWup | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 09:43.29 | MrWup | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 09:43.37 | myren_ | apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 09:44.02 | MrWup | hmm it says its already the newest version |
| 09:44.13 | MrWup | but when i try and build audacity 1.3 it says i dont have GTK+ |
| 09:44.20 | NineTails | no |
| 09:44.35 | myren_ | apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev or something like that |
| 09:44.54 | myren_ | -dev packages are the headers you need to build for whatever package |
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| 09:45.33 | MrWup | ah |
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| 09:46.31 | myren_ | there should be an audacity package. look at all the libraries it requires (apt-cache depends audacity) and then install the -dev variants for those packages, and you'll almost certainly be set. |
| 09:46.44 | myren_ | or just use the audacity package, if that would work for you. ;) |
| 09:47.05 | MrWup | thanks |
| 09:47.13 | MrWup | yeah there is an audacity package |
| 09:47.15 | MrWup | but its 1.2 |
| 09:47.20 | MrWup | which is not adequate |
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| 09:47.34 | MrWup | how did u find the answer to my question about which package GTK is in? |
| 09:47.40 | MrWup | i spent ages googling and couldnt find it |
| 09:47.53 | fengor | apt-cache search libgtk |
| 09:47.59 | MrWup | oh |
| 09:47.59 | MrWup | heh |
| 09:48.01 | MrWup | checking for wx-config... no |
| 09:48.01 | MrWup | configure: error: "Could not find wx-config: is wxWindows installed? is wx-config in your path?" |
| 09:48.05 | MrWup | now i got this |
| 09:48.18 | fengor | apt-cache search wx |
| 09:48.23 | fengor | and look for the dev packages |
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| 09:49.38 | MrWup | ah got it |
| 09:49.40 | MrWup | libwxgtk2.6-dev |
| 09:49.41 | MrWup | i think |
| 09:51.10 | myren_ | yeah, its just hunting and pecking around to fulfil dependencies |
| 09:51.23 | MrWup | cool got it to build now =] |
| 09:51.27 | myren_ | nice. :) |
| 09:51.42 | MrWup | also seeing as youre here |
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| 09:51.56 | MrWup | with asterisk PBX it has the option as running it as a pseudo realtime process |
| 09:51.59 | MrWup | whats that mean? |
| 09:52.09 | MrWup | im a windows junkie. is that like putting the process at high priority? |
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| 09:52.47 | MrWup | with debian daemons/services in general, does everything run pseudo realtime to give best performance? |
| 09:54.12 | myren_ | psuedo realtime could mean anything |
| 09:54.20 | myren_ | my first guess would be |
| 09:54.26 | myren_ | that it tries to use the realtime-lsm modules |
| 09:54.44 | MrWup | its certainly runs superfast when i do that |
| 09:54.48 | myren_ | since that is the primary "realtime" mechanism that i know of in linux |
| 09:55.00 | myren_ | it could just crank the be-jeezus out of the nice level |
| 09:55.15 | myren_ | ...demand from the process scheduler that it get huge amounts of cpu |
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| 09:55.59 | MrWup | what im curious about is why make always takes so long |
| 09:56.06 | MrWup | it seems like building a linux src takes years |
| 09:56.14 | MrWup | ive coded delphi and c++ in windows for some years |
| 09:56.21 | MrWup | and when u hit compile, boom its done |
| 09:56.36 | MrWup | hardly any time at all. unless its some huge complex computer game or something that ur compiling |
| 09:56.42 | praecox | MrWup, not years. on good machines it takes approximately 5 minutes. |
| 09:56.54 | MrWup | yeah 5 minutes |
| 09:56.57 | MrWup | thats huge |
| 09:57.15 | myren_ | depends on what you are building. if you are linking in the gtk and wx-gtk libraries, thats a _huge_ body of external code |
| 09:57.38 | myren_ | also, make is typically a pretty crap architecture |
| 09:57.39 | MrWup | and u have to recompile the external code into the app? |
| 09:57.51 | myren_ | it invokes gcc for every single file often |
| 09:58.07 | MrWup | i suppose thats the alternative to having DLLs which are precompiled and u just access their funcs at runtime? |
| 09:58.18 | MrWup | DLLs seems to me to be very efficient |
| 09:58.19 | fengor | MrWup: it doesnt take long ever tried doing a gentoo stage1 on an old p1 laptop? that takes long ;p |
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| 09:58.48 | myren_ | MrWup: dll's are for all intensive purposes the exact same as unix .so files. |
| 09:58.48 | MrWup | heh |
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| 09:59.38 | MrWup | so why do we have to build in gtx and all that? cant it just have a gtx library in .so format so u can access it at runtime rather than having to rebuild huge amounts of sauce? |
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| 10:01.00 | tarzeau | debian etch http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 10:01.24 | myren_ | MrWup: you're not rebuilding the dependency libraries |
| 10:01.35 | myren_ | like a dll, it just links them in and finds them at runtime |
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| 10:03.49 | MrWup | man debugging audacity must be a nightmare |
| 10:03.57 | MrWup | its taken about 5 minutes right now to compile |
| 10:04.05 | MrWup | imagine if u had to do that every time u wanted to test code |
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| 10:04.31 | enouf | !gentoosmite MrWup |
| 10:04.41 | MrWup | hah |
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| 10:07.12 | gholm | I can't identify where my diskspace is going to. My root is 20gig and df tells me its 98% full. I can't find where the large files are in root, aside from what's in my mnt directory (which is pretty big) |
| 10:08.46 | cahoot | gholm: not a matter of running out of inodes? df -i |
| 10:08.53 | dalias | cd / |
| 10:08.56 | dalias | du -s * |
| 10:09.07 | dalias | or rather |
| 10:09.13 | sepski | ghenry, du -sh /* |
| 10:09.14 | dalias | du -sx * |
| 10:09.33 | sepski | yes x would help |
| 10:09.34 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to setup a CUPS printserver |
| 10:10.20 | solemnwarning | I connect to the admin on port 631 and goto add printer, but after clicking continue on the first page of the "wizard" it stops responding |
| 10:10.31 | gholm | dalias: this output is still too small for t he 20gig it says I'm using |
| 10:10.32 | solemnwarning | I can view other pages on the server fine, but not that one |
| 10:10.44 | solemnwarning | No errors in the logs |
| 10:11.16 | gholm | cahoot: what's inodes? the output of df -i doesn't indicate I'm running out by percentage of use . |
| 10:11.40 | swami | hello again |
| 10:11.59 | cahoot | gholm: ok - was just an idea out of the blue |
| 10:12.00 | swami | who has installed kdevelop |
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| 10:12.08 | swami | ? |
| 10:12.19 | sepski | gholm, inodes are file "slots" if you have lots of tiny files you can run out of inodes but have space left. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inode |
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| 10:12.59 | swami | who has on his machine kdevelop |
| 10:13.03 | gholm | sepksi nope the df -i says I've got plenty left |
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| 10:15.37 | gholm | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.53 | gholm | and my df looks like this http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=df01sa9.jpg |
| 10:15.59 | gholm | Where is my space going? |
| 10:17.15 | SlayerXP | gholm: "du" is your friend. |
| 10:17.35 | swami | slayer...du is not his friend.. |
| 10:17.48 | gholm | SlayerXP: it ain't telling what I need to know |
| 10:18.01 | eisen | try filelight, it shows it in a very friendly way |
| 10:18.12 | gholm | eisen: I do'nt have X |
| 10:18.19 | swami | it says the entire space and the space used...but the difference is not the free space |
| 10:18.38 | swami | am i right gholm |
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| 10:18.50 | SlayerXP | gholm: perhaps you're not using it correctly. |
| 10:19.01 | gholm | SlayerXP: likely yes. |
| 10:19.15 | swami | du -h |
| 10:19.22 | swami | or simply du |
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| 10:19.47 | gholm | swami: sort of. My root partition is 20gig, and df says I have 640 meg left. I want to know what is using 19gig , and du doesn't tell me |
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| 10:20.27 | gholm | obvioulsy my /mnt/ directory is as big as my drives, but that's not what I'm after |
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| 10:20.45 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 10:25.20 | azeem | tarzeau: yes |
| 10:25.29 | dalias | gholm, show us what df and du say.. |
| 10:25.52 | gholm | dalias: df says http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=df01sa9.jpg |
| 10:25.59 | gholm | du says http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=du01ra9.jpg |
| 10:26.19 | eisen | maybe you have something hidden underneath a mount point |
| 10:26.31 | gholm | eisen how do I tell? |
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| 10:27.01 | gholm | oh and home is mounted on a seperate partition |
| 10:27.03 | eisen | unmount a filesystem and look into the supposedly empty folder afterwards |
| 10:27.54 | eisen | you might have copied stuff to a mountpoint although nothing was mounted there. |
| 10:28.04 | tarzeau | azeem: thanks, 2.2.1 of policy says so too (no mention of suggests, so fine to do w/ suggests) |
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| 10:29.28 | gholm | Just did another permuattion of du http://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=du02mu8.jpg discounting Home, my root *should* be 2 gig |
| 10:30.04 | pabix | Hello, I would like amsn to ignore that my xinput-all_ALL is set to scim-immodule |
| 10:30.28 | eisen | unmount everything besides / and look again |
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| 10:31.06 | tarzeau | gholm: 2 gig free, or total 2 gig? |
| 10:31.30 | gholm | tarzeau: total 2 gig |
| 10:31.31 | pabix | because ** scim does not work ** furthermore it is then impossible to use compose key or French keyboard (for example we would type ^ then e for ê, does not work any more) |
| 10:31.35 | tarzeau | eisen, gholm why not just df -h / ? |
| 10:32.05 | eisen | also some percentage is reserved for root use only. You might want to change that for /home anyway. |
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| 10:32.30 | gholm | eisen: just unmount sda1 and found some files in there. |
| 10:32.48 | pabix | df -hT is better than df -h |
| 10:32.51 | eisen | there you go :-) |
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| 10:33.59 | gholm | eisen: OK yo the man! |
| 10:34.19 | eisen | it happened to me before |
| 10:34.31 | tarzeau | pabix: oh nice |
| 10:34.46 | gholm | eisen: damn that it. Now I have 7% used! sweet! |
| 10:34.49 | pabix | tarzeau: is you're swiss francophone, je suis français |
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| 10:35.08 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 10:35.09 | tarzeau | pabix: no i live in the swiss german part (near zurich) |
| 10:35.14 | Dewi | what commonly available console-based editor should I recommend for people with vim fear? |
| 10:35.17 | gholm | eisen: it happened when my upgrade to Edgy Eft rewrote UUID into my fstab, mounting all my drives in weird orders. |
| 10:35.22 | Harzilein | can you recommend a mbox dupe-checker that is in debian? |
| 10:35.23 | pabix | ah... your nick made me think of francophone :) |
| 10:35.33 | tarzeau | pabix: yes it's got some french touch |
| 10:35.35 | gholm | damn upgrades |
| 10:35.37 | Dewi | nano has that wrap-by-default behaviour which I don't find at all endearing |
| 10:36.00 | Dewi | maybe I should just tell them to use vim -e |
| 10:36.01 | Dewi | hmmm. |
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| 10:36.24 | Dewi | oops I don't mean -e |
| 10:36.24 | gholm | Dewi: nano rocks for quick n dirty stuff tho |
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| 10:36.42 | Dewi | gholm: not if it inserts newlines everywhere without being asked. I can do without that on my servers |
| 10:36.56 | gholm | true |
| 10:36.57 | dobby | can somone help me with host based mirroring. I have to SANs in different location? Do I have an opensource possibility for that? |
| 10:37.05 | Dewi | gholm: I know I can suppress that with the rc file but... it makes me feel not confident :) |
| 10:37.22 | pengwen | how do i remove locate, and the pesty updatedb that runs once pr night? |
| 10:37.36 | gholm | take it out of cron.daily |
| 10:38.06 | pengwen | cant i remove the software all togheter? |
| 10:38.13 | gholm | pengwen: dunno |
| 10:38.31 | gholm | pengwen: try aptitude and remove package there. |
| 10:38.49 | gholm | pengwen: locate is something you may want to use in future |
| 10:39.00 | pengwen | nope :) |
| 10:39.03 | Dewi | argh. vim -y throws me back to the command line |
| 10:39.06 | Dewi | how strange |
| 10:39.25 | enouf | pengwen: locate and dlocate can be very useful .. but I guess locate is in the findutils pkg |
| 10:39.31 | Dewi | and they are all still alive! |
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| 10:39.49 | Dewi | why would vim -y detach from console? |
| 10:39.56 | pengwen | and trying a apt remove on findutils gave me a rather disturbing msg about this beeing core utils or something |
| 10:40.05 | enouf | pengwen: you're better off just removing it from /etc/cron.* .. see how it goes for a while |
| 10:40.07 | liable | findutils is a required package |
| 10:40.36 | pengwen | ah... |
| 10:40.36 | pengwen | so locate is required ;) |
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| 10:40.47 | pengwen | ill just stop the update then... |
| 10:41.01 | liable | doesnt say essential though, but it will prolly break something.. |
| 10:41.09 | Dewi | oh, how embarrassing. It's opening in GUI mdoe. |
| 10:41.11 | Dewi | mode |
| 10:41.28 | pengwen | would be nice if locate was a package on its own, so it could get the boot |
| 10:41.45 | Dewi | so do we all just use vi and emacs then? |
| 10:42.02 | tarzeau | Dewi: i use emacs -nw and mcedit |
| 10:42.24 | Dewi | tarzeau: what's -nw ? |
| 10:42.24 | Harzilein | wasn't there a standalone project based on mcedit? |
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| 10:42.52 | tarzeau | Dewi: Tells Emacs not to use its special interface to X. |
| 10:42.59 | tarzeau | Harzilein: dunno. url? |
| 10:43.14 | tarzeau | Harzilein: it's gnu mc, and mcedit is part of it |
| 10:43.25 | tarzeau | Harzilein: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2 Dec 18 2005 /usr/bin/mcedit -> mc |
| 10:43.38 | Dewi | tarzeau: is that just for speed? |
| 10:43.47 | tarzeau | Dewi: i don't think so |
| 10:43.58 | tarzeau | Dewi: there's also mcview |
| 10:44.03 | Dewi | tarzeau: I mean... why don't you like its interface to X? |
| 10:44.06 | dobby | tarzeau: have you ever set up host based mirroring? |
| 10:44.17 | Dewi | tarzeau: do you actually mean the GUI version of emacs? |
| 10:44.21 | Harzilein | tarzeau: i don't know, just saw it browsing some day. maybe i even linked to the author's page but then it is a nondescriptive link on http://www.plus-linux.de/wiki/SoloProjects |
| 10:44.25 | Dewi | tarzeau: I have never used emacs you see |
| 10:44.35 | Dewi | tarzeau: but when I recommend vim to people they don't like me very much |
| 10:44.36 | tarzeau | Dewi: it's ugly, i like emacs.app much better |
| 10:44.49 | tarzeau | Dewi: no just the x version of emacs is ugly |
| 10:44.57 | tarzeau | Dewi: the cocoa/gnustep gui version of emacs is fine to me |
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| 10:45.07 | Dewi | tarzeau: interesting |
| 10:45.10 | tarzeau | Dewi: #emacs ? |
| 10:45.25 | tarzeau | dobby: dunno what you mean? i've used rsync across hosts |
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| 10:45.43 | Dewi | tarzeau: well, emacs is a bit big and unportable to recommend as a basic minimal editor. But I'm starting to consider it. |
| 10:45.55 | Dewi | if nobody is using anything else |
| 10:46.04 | tarzeau | Dewi: unportable? |
| 10:46.08 | eisen | emacs rules ;-) |
| 10:46.17 | tarzeau | Dewi: which system does it not run on? |
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| 10:46.21 | BankHead | sup? |
| 10:46.21 | Dewi | tarzeau: windows |
| 10:46.22 | coredata | Hi |
| 10:46.23 | liable | here we go.. |
| 10:46.27 | tarzeau | Dewi: that's wrong, it runs on windows |
| 10:46.49 | dobby | I have 2 SANS Eva6000 which are not at the same location and have to mirror disks for a cluster |
| 10:46.56 | udos | packages.debian.org doesn't index a package with mod_jk apache2-tomcat4 integration module |
| 10:47.02 | Dewi | tarzeau: okay. I never found a proper port for it. |
| 10:47.11 | tarzeau | Dewi: here's one: http://math.claremontmckenna.edu/ALee/emacs/emacs.html |
| 10:47.31 | tarzeau | Dewi: that's the graphical one i like btw: http://emacs-app.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:48.05 | Dewi | tarzeau: okay, thanks |
| 10:48.17 | liable | whats wrong with vim for basic editing anyway? |
| 10:48.20 | Dewi | I don't want to start an emacs versus vim debate :) |
| 10:48.27 | Dewi | I just wanted to know what alternatives there are to EITHER of them :P |
| 10:48.34 | wols_ | Is there a Linux virus scanner out there that works for Windows disks with WIndows malware? |
| 10:48.35 | Dewi | "good" alternatives |
| 10:49.09 | liable | wols_: clamav, though i am not sure exactly what you mean |
| 10:49.12 | Dewi | liable: people can't use vim |
| 10:49.16 | Dewi | liable: I don't know why |
| 10:49.21 | tarzeau | liable: it has two modes (work with text, input. and destroy text, randomly) |
| 10:49.25 | liable | Dewi: i mustnt be a person then :) |
| 10:49.27 | Dewi | liable: sometimes it takes 10 years to convince people |
| 10:49.36 | Dewi | liable: I put you in a class of your own :) |
| 10:49.36 | tarzeau | Dewi: because it doesn't visually show what mode one is in, by default? |
| 10:49.39 | wols_ | clamwin. but I guess for that kinda softwar i need to go proprietary |
| 10:49.44 | Dewi | tarzeau: actually it does |
| 10:49.44 | liable | heh |
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| 10:49.50 | wols_ | a virus scanner for windows thatruns under linux |
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| 10:49.53 | Dewi | tarzeau: it's on the bottom line |
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| 10:50.16 | Dewi | tarzeau: maybe in the reeaaaaally old ones it didn't |
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| 10:50.26 | tarzeau | Dewi: vim, vi or nvi? |
| 10:50.33 | liable | wols_: clamav does that, is this for a mail server or something? |
| 10:50.37 | Dewi | tarzeau: I've always used vim |
| 10:50.54 | Dewi | tarzeau: aah, nvi doesn't. I see what you mean |
| 10:50.58 | liable | i dont even know which one i use anymore |
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| 10:51.33 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 10:51.37 | Dewi | tarzeau: the strictly vi-compatible ones can be a bit tiresome. Personally I set "nocompat" |
| 10:51.47 | tarzeau | Dewi: i dislike vim even more than nvi |
| 10:52.04 | Dewi | tarzeau: dare I ask why? :P |
| 10:52.09 | tarzeau | Dewi: i like software like mc, and links2 that have menus |
| 10:52.19 | Madsy2 | vim <3 |
| 10:52.19 | wols_ | liable: for a infected windows host where no windows program finds anything |
| 10:52.20 | liable | mc is very nice |
| 10:52.25 | Dewi | tarzeau: the GUI vim has menus |
| 10:52.31 | perlmonkey | I just lost internet access completely on my server, I was getting messages on the console like this: svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request. Anyone any ideas what might cause that? |
| 10:52.33 | tarzeau | Dewi: how can i look at it? |
| 10:52.35 | wols_ | so I thought about bootin another OS (debian) and scanning that way |
| 10:52.41 | Dewi | tarzeau: 'gvim' |
| 10:52.43 | tarzeau | Dewi: wait i want a text/console vim with menus? |
| 10:52.45 | Madsy2 | When you get used to Vi, it's probably more efficient than any other editor. |
| 10:52.46 | tarzeau | Dewi: i don't like gtk, qt |
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| 10:53.05 | pabix | tarzeau: what do you like? |
| 10:53.12 | tarzeau | Dewi: i like nethack too, because it's a lot more intuitive |
| 10:53.26 | tarzeau | pabix: menus as in mc, links2 and for gui gnustep software |
| 10:53.29 | Dewi | tarzeau: er... nethack? |
| 10:53.35 | tarzeau | Dewi: yeah, do you know it? |
| 10:53.38 | Dewi | tarzeau: as a programmer's editor? that sounds awesome |
| 10:53.40 | perlmonkey | is that an ISP issue or something to do with my server? |
| 10:53.46 | liable | wols_: try 'hijack this' but be carefull with it |
| 10:53.48 | tarzeau | Dewi: it's not a programmers' editor |
| 10:54.00 | Dewi | tarzeau: I know, but imagine the possibilities! |
| 10:54.01 | tarzeau | Dewi: i was talking about controlling interactive programs |
| 10:54.13 | Dewi | tarzeau: actually I run screen in "nethack mode" |
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| 10:54.19 | tarzeau | Dewi: so do i |
| 10:54.35 | tarzeau | Dewi: but do you play the real nethack too? and can i use a menu in vim (non gui)? |
| 10:54.36 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 10:54.36 | Dewi | tarzeau: You escaped the dungeon. |
| 10:54.44 | tarzeau | Dewi: that's boring |
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| 10:55.12 | Dewi | tarzeau: I don't know if vim (non gui) can have a menu. By the time I went from gvim to vim I didn't care. And I have played nethack, looooong ago |
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| 10:55.32 | liable | perlmonkey: you dont have much luck do you? ;) |
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| 10:56.24 | tarzeau | Dewi: are you a monkey island fan? |
| 10:56.43 | perlmonkey | liable: i've been dogged with problems for the last week :-/ |
| 10:57.20 | struct | tarzeau: I still dont think debian is trying to compete with ubuntu |
| 10:57.23 | tarzeau | Dewi: what about sierra games? have you tried mazeofgalious? kq? supertransball2? brutalchess? pathogen? |
| 10:57.39 | tarzeau | struct: it's true, it's not their goal, but it happens anyway, no? |
| 10:57.54 | tarzeau | Dewi: apropos interactive programs, in console. tried opencubicplayer? another gem imho |
| 10:58.08 | struct | tarzeau: yes it happens |
| 10:58.14 | Dewi | tarzeau: I used cubic player back before it was open |
| 10:58.20 | Dewi | tarzeau: it was great |
| 10:58.24 | tarzeau | Dewi: besides i love it when graphical software can be controlled by keyboard too (in a sane way) |
| 10:58.41 | tarzeau | Dewi: ack same here. and impulse tracker? its clone schism (tracker)? |
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| 10:58.53 | liable | whats a decent news reader client (console?) |
| 10:58.57 | tarzeau | struct: and what about the other way? ubuntu isn't trying to compete either |
| 10:59.07 | Dewi | tarzeau: I know MI and KQ but not the others. Impulse tracker was the latest thing when the scene seemed to die and I lost interest |
| 10:59.11 | struct | tarzeau: all that matters regarding debian/ubuntu is that my daughter has a debian shirt and not a ubuntu one |
| 10:59.15 | perlmonkey | liable: I think it's related to NFS |
| 10:59.25 | struct | tarzeau: I cannot say that for sure with ubuntu |
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| 10:59.34 | struct | tarzeau: maybe they are trying to compete a bit |
| 10:59.46 | struct | tarzeau: maybe they are just trying to make one heck of an OS |
| 10:59.53 | Dewi | awww. |
| 10:59.57 | liable | perlmonkey: i cant say i have ever seen such an error. google not helpy? |
| 11:00.42 | tarzeau | Dewi: #demoscene ? dead ? i know what you mean... |
| 11:01.11 | Dewi | tarzeau: it was best before 1995 :) |
| 11:01.16 | perlmonkey | im getting some info which suggests its a clash with dynamic ports from rpc |
| 11:01.32 | perlmonkey | i might need to adjust the dynamic port range is one suggested solution |
| 11:01.43 | tarzeau | Dewi: internet destroyed it. irc |
| 11:02.04 | tarzeau | Dewi: and microsoft without backwards compatibility |
| 11:02.04 | enouf | MrWup: have you tried using the -j option of make? |
| 11:02.11 | Dewi | tarzeau: I think windows killed it |
| 11:02.22 | tarzeau | Dewi: ack |
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| 11:02.30 | tarzeau | Dewi: and pity all that great software comes without sources |
| 11:02.33 | Dewi | tarzeau: suddenly one beautiful demo couldn't take over your whole PC |
| 11:02.50 | tarzeau | Dewi: on windows not, on linux yes |
| 11:02.55 | Dewi | tarzeau: of course eventually demos started running nicely in windows but it took a while |
| 11:03.08 | tarzeau | Dewi: demoscene spread to all possible things. game consoles, wild demos... |
| 11:03.18 | tarzeau | Dewi: too much :( |
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| 11:03.38 | tarzeau | Dewi: would've been nicer if microsoft just disappeared by 1994. and we had NeXT computers instead |
| 11:03.49 | tarzeau | Dewi: and more amiga, more c-64 |
| 11:03.53 | Dewi | tarzeau: and in windows you never know what's cheating. I mean... it's an 8k demo but how much directx code is being used? it's not quite as classy |
| 11:04.08 | tarzeau | Dewi: ack |
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| 11:04.24 | Harzilein | Dewi: well, there's a fine line between an API and a platform |
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| 11:05.20 | Dewi | Harzilein: I'm not sure what the line is. But IBM PC BIOS certainly didn't give you any help writing graphics effects. It was all coolness. In windows there's so much power already there, it's not as cool |
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| 11:05.48 | perlmonkey | So that's 2^28, in a field that should always be zero. It's the very first check of any data read from the rpc call, so it'd be consistent |
| 11:05.48 | perlmonkey | with the call data being garbage, for one reason or another. |
| 11:05.59 | Dewi | Harzilein: and you can't even *get* a decent drawing surface in windows without going into the powerful directx APIs |
| 11:06.01 | perlmonkey | liable: does that make any sense? |
| 11:06.28 | Harzilein | Dewi: i was never interested much in directx/opengl demos... |
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| 11:07.12 | liable | perlmonkey: not to me, i know nothing about nfs |
| 11:07.29 | Harzilein | Dewi: i think i've seen two 3dfx demos back in 1997, and recently the Winnerdemo by Metalvotze, and a not very impressive 4k demo on the oxyron party a while ago |
| 11:07.35 | Harzilein | Dewi: and that's it |
| 11:07.50 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 11:08.11 | perlmonkey | what is a "tcpdump" and how do I use it? |
| 11:08.28 | Dewi | Harzilein: yeah. I haven't been paying attention since about 1999 |
| 11:08.36 | Dewi | Harzilein: I loved .the.produkt |
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| 11:08.45 | Harzilein | Dewi: i've seen lots of c64-demos though... |
| 11:08.48 | liable | perlmonkey: it shows all packets going across an iface |
| 11:08.50 | Deus_indeed | What pam should I use to allow users to authenticate at my computer with name and pass of users in windows domain? All HOWTOs told about pam_stack.so, but I didn't find it in Debian |
| 11:08.59 | Harzilein | Dewi: oh, kkrieger is one thing i'd like to check out, right... |
| 11:09.04 | coz_ | looking for Tixwish = Tk interpreter with Tix is there a download for this somewhere? |
| 11:09.07 | liable | perlmonkey: wireshark is a bit easier to understand if you have x |
| 11:09.52 | Harzilein | Dewi: there have been beautiful "newschool" amiga demos recently and i watched lots of c64 demos... |
| 11:10.00 | tarzeau | Dewi: i liked amiga demos so much! know ninja2? orange? scoopex? mfx2? |
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| 11:10.08 | Dewi | Harzilein/tarzeau: there's some kind of scene DVD set out there you can buy, that has all the classic demos recorded so that you don't need to rig up 15 year old hardware to see them run right. Although that's half the fun :) |
| 11:10.25 | Dewi | tarzeau: I only got to use amigas at school. I've never owned a non-ie386 |
| 11:10.28 | Dewi | -e |
| 11:10.34 | Harzilein | Dewi: yeah, have seen second reality from that dvd at a friend's place |
| 11:10.45 | tarzeau | Dewi: a lot of pc demos can't be run anymore because you can't run the old windows on old hardware anymore |
| 11:10.45 | Dewi | tarzeau: actually I had pre-i386 PCs but not non-PCs |
| 11:10.49 | Harzilein | Dewi: but dosbox can emulate second reality quite fine on beefy machines |
| 11:11.05 | Dewi | tarzeau: I had one PC demo called "Timeless" that was awesome, it was a port of an amiga one |
| 11:11.17 | tarzeau | Dewi: yeah i know that! it had great atmosphere, sound! |
| 11:11.27 | Dewi | tarzeau: it was the best VGA thing ever. Sigh. |
| 11:11.38 | tarzeau | Dewi: and it didn't run easily on everything (not enouhg 640kb memory) |
| 11:11.58 | Dewi | tarzeau: there is a timeless linux port! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeless_%28demo%29 |
| 11:12.04 | Harzilein | btw, i wonder what'd be the right way to do "real" (non-faked) copperbars with a modern api on linux |
| 11:12.07 | tarzeau | Dewi: do you know the diskmags? daskmig? inertia player? imphobia? vibes 2 of extreme? |
| 11:12.16 | Harzilein | tarzeau: inertia player ^^ |
| 11:12.19 | tarzeau | Dewi: impossible? a port of timeless to linux? me looks |
| 11:12.25 | Dewi | tarzeau: the dos version could be a screensaver; I used to use it. It would do funny things if you were in a game tho! |
| 11:12.38 | tarzeau | Dewi, Harzilein we have #ocp #demoscene and #schism on freenode |
| 11:12.42 | Harzilein | any hints on that copperbar question? |
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| 11:13.30 | SirMille | is there a tools for logging and remembering the best computer uptime, out there, that you could recommend? |
| 11:13.39 | Harzilein | an xscreensaver module that can do rasterbars and cycle ansi logos, that'd be so cool |
| 11:14.08 | tarzeau | Dewi: damn very cool, thanks. i'll make a debian package |
| 11:14.16 | coz_ | anyone have a clue as to aquire tixiwsh = Tk interpreter with Tix for debian? |
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| 11:14.23 | Dewi | tarzeau: hehe |
| 11:14.36 | AlexTurner | How do i rename a fike |
| 11:14.37 | tarzeau | Dewi: demoscene guys also make great games in game compos! great sound, graphics and fun gameplay |
| 11:14.38 | AlexTurner | *file |
| 11:14.45 | tarzeau | Dewi: btw www.linuks.mine.nu/supercow/ :) |
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| 11:15.04 | yang | Is this a normal thing that iceweasel-firefox uses 200MB memory on startup? |
| 11:15.15 | SirMille | ... anyone? |
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| 11:15.24 | Dewi | tarzeau: awww |
| 11:15.25 | tarzeau | yang: how many pages open? |
| 11:15.29 | AlexTurner | ??? |
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| 11:15.39 | yang | tarzeau: only one - 200MB VIRT memorya |
| 11:15.48 | tarzeau | Dewi: if you know any more open source demos or something, please tell me :) |
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| 11:16.18 | ribasushi | hi |
| 11:16.53 | ribasushi | once I have a normally running system which was installed using ceebootstrap, can I delete /var/cache/bootstrap or is it still needed for something? |
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| 11:17.43 | tarzeau | Dewi: amnesia of tron was nice too! |
| 11:19.58 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
| 11:20.01 | Mazingaro | :( sigh |
| 11:20.36 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: etch? no |
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| 11:21.01 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: :( |
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| 11:22.26 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: maybe this weekend |
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| 11:22.37 | Mazingaro | maybe it's an easter egg |
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| 11:24.23 | liable | i win a pony if it releases monay! |
| 11:24.28 | liable | monday.. |
| 11:24.55 | Madsy2 | how cute |
| 11:25.10 | Madsy2 | Is it a purple pony? |
| 11:25.30 | Dewi | liable: is it that close now? |
| 11:25.51 | Mazingaro | liable: you would win only the sources of it |
| 11:25.52 | Dewi | liable: pity it's closer to 2 years than 18 months again :( |
| 11:25.52 | liable | Dewi: thats my hot tip, but i really dont know :) |
| 11:26.24 | Mazingaro | liable: you got to tar xzvf pony.tar.gz |
| 11:26.29 | Dewi | liable: still 61 relevant RC bugs. That's much the same as it looked 2 weeks ago :/ |
| 11:26.32 | Mazingaro | liable: and make install then |
| 11:27.18 | liable | Mazingaro: make ride |
| 11:27.39 | Mazingaro | liable: make clean |
| 11:27.40 | liable | Dewi: i know, i gave up on looking at rc bugs, but sarge released with ~50 iirc |
| 11:27.42 | Mazingaro | liable: buahahahah |
| 11:28.33 | Mazingaro | I will scream and spat like a child if it won't be released soon!!! |
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| 11:28.53 | liable | and noone will care :P |
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| 11:29.20 | Mazingaro | I wanna talk to mr debian |
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| 11:29.40 | Mazingaro | I want my new release I deserve it |
| 11:30.10 | potolo | I want Reese Witherspoon. =( |
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| 11:30.58 | yangsx | hi, on a dual-boot computer, if the partition table on Windows partions are changed, what should be modified besides grub menu.lst and /etc/fstab ? |
| 11:32.33 | liable | what do you mean exactly? what did you do? |
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| 11:32.54 | potolo | yangsx: you should always install windows first (which you obviously did). if there are windows partition changes afterwards it insistently boots to windows - is that your problem? from memory you probably need to edit the windows boot files in c:\ - I forget their names... |
| 11:33.23 | potolo | though they're also accessible in an advanced tab in windows device manager |
| 11:33.24 | enouf | boot.ini |
| 11:33.36 | tarzeau | liable: www.linuks.mine.nu/pony.jpg for you :) |
| 11:33.39 | potolo | that's one of them; I vaguely recall there are two? |
| 11:33.48 | yangsx | potolo: no, that's not my problem |
| 11:33.51 | enouf | not editable |
| 11:34.08 | potolo | yangsx: ok; ignore me =) |
| 11:34.11 | yangsx | protolo: I can boot with a grub floppy disk |
| 11:35.02 | yangsx | but the problem is Linux partitions numbering changed as a result, make booting impossible |
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| 11:35.23 | enouf | screwed the pooch |
| 11:35.28 | chuck | does anyone here have any tips for getting Apple Airport to work in debian? |
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| 11:35.53 | liable | tarzeau: your hanging my pony! |
| 11:35.57 | yangsx | I've changed /etc/fstab to bring it uptodate with the new scheme, but booting still failed with an old root partition numbering |
| 11:36.02 | liable | chuck: is it an atheros chipset? |
| 11:36.07 | enouf | good ol' windon'ts ext'd partitions .. lovly |
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| 11:36.48 | chuck | liable: not sure, it's one of those airport cards in the ibook g4's from last year |
| 11:36.59 | potolo | yangsx: i'm not sure but hopefully others here will be able to help you |
| 11:37.01 | liable | chuck: lspci will tell you |
| 11:37.14 | liable | chuck: unless we know what it is, we cant help |
| 11:37.35 | enouf | not I , i don't do dishes .. er windows |
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| 11:38.31 | yangsx | potolo: thanks |
| 11:38.55 | liable | yangsx: so change menu.list too |
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| 11:39.08 | yangsx | liable: that's done, too. |
| 11:39.14 | potolo | enouf: sounds like he just needs to update his debian installation to recognise 'different' partitions as the boot ones. but I'm not positive so I'll stay out |
| 11:39.27 | liable | yangsx: paste your fstab, menu.list and fdisk -l output somewhere |
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| 11:39.36 | yangsx | liable: if I boot from a grub floppy disk, that shout not matter |
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| 11:39.48 | liable | yangsx: ok |
| 11:40.15 | potolo | ...such as on pastebin.ca |
| 11:41.23 | enouf | yangsx: "if the partition table on Windows partions are changed" <-- wtf does that mean? |
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| 11:43.02 | yangsx | enouf: a guy merged two windows partions into one, resulting in partion numbering for linux changed |
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| 11:43.22 | yangsx | enouf: for instance, root partition was changed from /dev/hda3 to /dev/hda2 |
| 11:43.35 | enouf | what else did this "guy" do? |
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| 11:44.02 | yangsx | enouf: and reinstalled windows on /dev/hda1 |
| 11:44.12 | liable | there is only the two files that effect it, and seeing as you wont show us, ... |
| 11:44.18 | enouf | ahhh .. there ya go .. reinstall grub into the MBR |
| 11:45.06 | enouf | !fixmbr |
| 11:45.06 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 11:45.09 | yangsx | enouf: how? I mean I cannot boot even with a grub floppy disk |
| 11:45.25 | enouf | livecd |
| 11:45.55 | liable | the install cd even |
| 11:46.02 | enouf | and dat too |
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| 11:47.01 | enouf | liable: didn't he say earlier that grub floppy boot was working? |
| 11:47.02 | yangsx | enouf: I think my problem is: grub boots linux, then Linux uses /dev/hda3 instead of /dev/hda2 as root, somehow, and the kernel panicked |
| 11:47.14 | liable | enouf: thats how i read it, yeah. |
| 11:47.27 | yangsx | enouf: sorry, I didn't make that clearer |
| 11:48.08 | enouf | so do what i said and if still no go , do what the others asked |
| 11:48.21 | yangsx | enouf: I tried livecd to edit /etc/fstab and grub menu.lst |
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| 11:48.30 | enouf | and answer their questions ... thank you |
| 11:48.52 | enouf | you did it wrong obviously |
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| 11:49.22 | enouf | !tell yangsx -about fixmbr |
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| 11:51.11 | yangsx | enough: thanks, I tried chroot with a livecd, but it failed with /dev/null when I attempt to grub-install on /dev/hda: obvioursly I didn't know the other tricks |
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| 11:55.06 | tarzeau | liable: if you knew how many ponies die a much worse dead in nethack... |
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| 12:02.36 | maddash | how to feck do i log a kernel panic?? why doesn't the system just output a file, instead of spewing all over my console? |
| 12:05.10 | xand | maddash: maybe it cant? |
| 12:07.41 | maddash | xand: well, it could spew on my ttyS* just fine, right? |
| 12:07.59 | maddash | xand: heck, why not log to NVRAM like OS X? |
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| 12:10.03 | cain-- | hey guys |
| 12:10.27 | cain-- | how can i find out which hd* is my 300gb ntfs hd? |
| 12:10.36 | cain-- | i mean in /dev/ |
| 12:11.00 | maddash | cain--: fdisk |
| 12:11.16 | maddash | cain--: specifically, `fdisk -l /dev/hd*` |
| 12:11.20 | xand | maddash: what nvram? |
| 12:11.43 | cain-- | thx |
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| 12:13.26 | Tuxedo | when it's comming etch??? |
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| 12:13.45 | Ronin | !tell Tuxedo about wwer |
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| 12:14.45 | lkthomas | guys, latest version of kernel replace ip_conntrak to nf_conntrak ? |
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| 12:16.58 | cain-- | now when i try to mount it it says |
| 12:16.59 | cain-- | server:~# mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb /media/daten |
| 12:17.00 | cain-- | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, |
| 12:17.00 | cain-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.00 | cain-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.00 | cain-- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.00 | BankHead | fun |
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| 12:17.24 | Ind[y] | adding "vesafb=1024x768" as a kernel parameter will enable framebuffer support to my console? |
| 12:17.27 | cain-- | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, |
| 12:17.33 | cain-- | ehat does that mean? |
| 12:17.41 | cain-- | i installed debian netinst |
| 12:17.49 | azeem | cain--: /dev/hdb is a hard disk, not a partition |
| 12:17.57 | azeem | try to mount /dev/hdb1 or something |
| 12:18.00 | cain-- | ohh ok |
| 12:18.26 | cain-- | thanks |
| 12:18.29 | blacktor | hello, i'm having a small issue with rsync; i'm using the option " --remove-source-files " but the problem i have it that, when rsync is being executed, it also deleted files that still are being written to by another process ... can anybody give me a clue what to look for ? |
| 12:18.49 | omg2 | would anyone here know how to get the make package to work in DSL? |
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| 12:19.13 | azeem | omg2: DSL? |
| 12:19.13 | Ind[y] | adding "vesafb=1024x768" as a kernel parameter will enable framebuffer support to my console? |
| 12:19.34 | CalebRipley | azeem: Damn Small Linux |
| 12:19.44 | omg2 | yah. azeem |
| 12:19.45 | CalebRipley | azeem: www.damnsmalllinux.org |
| 12:19.47 | Ronin | CalebRipley: tehn perhaps #dsl would be better? |
| 12:19.50 | azeem | omg2: ask them, not us |
| 12:20.02 | azeem | Ronin: CalebRipley just explained the acronym |
| 12:20.06 | CalebRipley | Ronin: i think so ^^ |
| 12:20.19 | omg2 | come on there are people here are educated DSL users |
| 12:20.23 | CalebRipley | azeem: Thanks for explanation |
| 12:20.24 | azeem | Ind[y]: usually it's done via vga=foo I thought |
| 12:20.36 | Ind[y] | azeem: ok. thanks :) |
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| 12:20.39 | azeem | omg2: that doesn't matter, your question is offtopic here |
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| 12:21.19 | Zaggynl | Hi, I'm trying to find a way to mimic Filemon as close as possible, ' sudo watch --interval=1 --differences lsof' gives me the right info, but I would like to view this in a scrollable window. |
| 12:21.28 | CalebRipley | omg2: #dsl is a much better way for help |
| 12:21.29 | Zaggynl | I tried with zenity and dialog, but the output comes out garbled. |
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| 12:21.38 | omg2 | azeem:12 degrees of separation azeem. I we need to take it to another board after they are willing so be it |
| 12:21.59 | omg2 | calebripley: there is no one on that board |
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| 12:22.36 | liam2 | omg2: #damnsmalllinux |
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| 12:25.43 | ian_ | hey, if i wanted to match something like 123456789.jpg, the regex would be /(0-9){9}.(jpg|gif|png)+/, right? |
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| 12:26.41 | omg2 | liam I was there |
| 12:26.43 | azeem | ian_: [0-9] I thought |
| 12:26.50 | ian_ | ah |
| 12:26.55 | bahadunn | ian_: yeah what azeem said |
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| 12:27.07 | xand | /[0-9]{9}.(jpg|gif|png)/i |
| 12:27.14 | ian_ | what the i |
| 12:27.16 | ian_ | what's* |
| 12:27.20 | xand | cast insensitive |
| 12:27.22 | xand | *case |
| 12:27.26 | ian_ | kay |
| 12:27.29 | omg2 | liam: not much action over there. been trying to find help since last night |
| 12:27.35 | ian_ | and if i want to match all occurances of that i use +, right |
| 12:28.05 | xand | or /^[0-9]{9}.(jpg|gif|png)$/i |
| 12:28.05 | bahadunn | wouldnt it be also [jpg|gif|png]? |
| 12:28.29 | Sazpaimon | i think brackets make it require it be jpg, gif or png |
| 12:28.36 | Sazpaimon | parenthesis make it optional |
| 12:28.44 | MrWup | whats the best pdf viewer for debian? |
| 12:28.54 | MrWup | i want to be able to search through pdfs |
| 12:28.55 | xand | bahadunn: no |
| 12:28.55 | Sazpaimon | so yes, that'd be more decent |
| 12:29.00 | Madsy2 | xpdf :-D |
| 12:29.03 | Sazpaimon | or not |
| 12:29.07 | xand | () = brackets, [] = square brackets ;) |
| 12:29.15 | ian_ | xand: (jpg|gif|png) is correct? |
| 12:29.22 | xand | ian_: try it and see |
| 12:29.25 | omg2 | calebripley: debian is lively and being that there is the possibility of tech support people who use DSL for os support |
| 12:29.39 | ian_ | alright, i was waiting for the answer on searching all occuranced |
| 12:29.39 | bahadunn | xand: yeah I looked it up |
| 12:29.43 | ian_ | i use + at the end, right? |
| 12:29.45 | MrWup | Madsy, are you joking or serious? |
| 12:29.49 | xand | ian_: no |
| 12:30.08 | xand | + means "1 or more", e.g. [0-9]+ |
| 12:30.10 | azeem | omg2: we don't support DSL here, end of discussion |
| 12:30.33 | xand | what kind of DSL? |
| 12:30.33 | zir0faive | i'd say that: /[0-9]{9}\.(jpg|png|gif)/i |
| 12:30.34 | Madsy2 | MrWup: It was a joke, but I do actually use it. |
| 12:30.41 | bahadunn | ian_: whats your regex now? |
| 12:30.43 | MrWup | whats actually really good? |
| 12:30.51 | MrWup | cause with these debian pdf readers i cant search |
| 12:30.52 | xand | MrWup: maybe evince |
| 12:31.02 | xand | dunno about searching |
| 12:31.20 | ian_ | /[0-9]{9}\.(jpg|png|gif)/ |
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| 12:31.32 | zir0faive | ian_: you can use kregexpeditor to help you out :) |
| 12:31.41 | ian_ | no. |
| 12:31.43 | ian_ | im using php |
| 12:31.52 | xand | ian_: ##php |
| 12:31.54 | ian_ | or, is that something irrelevant |
| 12:31.58 | zir0faive | so? a regex is a regex :o |
| 12:32.02 | ian_ | xand: i dont need help with php though |
| 12:32.03 | ian_ | :) |
| 12:32.04 | xand | zir0faive: no, that's not true |
| 12:32.07 | xand | ian_: yes you do |
| 12:32.10 | Sazpaimon | you're telling him to go to ##php and get a response at this hour? |
| 12:32.10 | zir0faive | ok there are variants |
| 12:32.13 | xand | regexes vary by implementation |
| 12:32.18 | bahadunn | ian_: it works for me |
| 12:32.19 | Sazpaimon | good fucking luck |
| 12:32.24 | ian_ | bahadunn: okay |
| 12:32.27 | xand | #regex |
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| 12:32.52 | Sazpaimon | wow there's a channel for regexes? |
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| 12:32.56 | Sazpaimon | that's news to me |
| 12:32.57 | zir0faive | anyway [0-9]{9}\.(jpg|png|gif) should work fine |
| 12:33.01 | bahadunn | Sazpaimon: better be |
| 12:33.05 | xand | yes. |
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| 12:33.24 | xand | ian_: ##php is much more appropriate than #debian |
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| 12:33.34 | bahadunn | !paste |
| 12:33.34 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 12:34.05 | bahadunn | ian_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5950 |
| 12:34.17 | Sazpaimon | xand, I've asked questions in ##php around this time and saw a response of about 200 join/part messages over the process of 3 hours |
| 12:34.24 | Sazpaimon | :P |
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| 12:34.59 | xand | Sazpaimon: that doesn't make #debian the right channel to ask |
| 12:35.52 | Sazpaimon | xand, i'll keep that in mind next time I have a general regexp question |
| 12:36.59 | zir0faive | anobody has an approximate number of critical bugs left to correct in etch? |
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| 12:37.17 | Ronin | !wwer |
| 12:37.18 | xand | there's a webpage but i dunno the url :) |
| 12:37.18 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/03/msg00012.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 12:37.31 | azeem | 14:21 < friendlybot> Number concerning the next release: 22 |
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| 12:37.34 | freacky22527 | hi! :) |
| 12:37.34 | azeem | zir0faive: ^^ |
| 12:37.45 | Ronin | 22? nice |
| 12:37.46 | zir0faive | oh, thanks :) |
| 12:38.10 | Sazpaimon | that doesnt mean more bugs wont be found though |
| 12:38.19 | zir0faive | of course |
| 12:38.29 | bahadunn | working on bugs helps |
| 12:38.37 | Sazpaimon | that number can double at any time |
| 12:38.50 | Sazpaimon | subsequently postponing etchs release further |
| 12:38.59 | Sazpaimon | but such is the price to pay for truly stable software |
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| 12:39.36 | zir0faive | azeem: where did you get that info? so i can check it back anytime |
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| 12:40.01 | azeem | zir0faive: soebody queried that bot in another chan I'm on some minutes ago and I pasted it |
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| 12:40.13 | zir0faive | okay |
| 12:40.15 | azeem | zir0faive: consider "next weekend" as time of release |
| 12:40.25 | azeem | well, or this weekend, whatever it is |
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| 12:41.07 | zir0faive | i'm looking forward to it |
| 12:41.19 | zir0faive | too bad i'm too weak to help fixing the bugs |
| 12:41.54 | raz0 | Hm. Why was apt-setup removed in Etch? |
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| 12:42.32 | Ronin | !why is apt-set not in etch |
| 12:42.33 | dpkg | Ronin: what are you talking about? |
| 12:42.37 | Ronin | heh thought so |
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| 12:43.14 | Ronin | !tell raz0 about apt-setup |
| 12:43.14 | zir0faive | maybe because of this? http://secunia.com/advisories/15955/ |
| 12:43.18 | azeem | raz0: it was part of base-config, which got removed |
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| 12:53.07 | cain-- | when i try to mount hdb1(ntfs) it starts working but hangs up and i cant return to the console |
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| 12:53.56 | cain-- | this is what i type |
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| 12:54.15 | cain-- | -/dev/hdb2 /media/daten ntfs defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0 |
| 12:54.47 | crazy_penguin | Hello! |
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| 12:58.42 | cain-- | Cannot create link /etc/mtab~ |
| 12:58.42 | cain-- | Perhaps there is a stale lock file? |
| 12:58.51 | cain-- | what does this mean? |
| 12:58.59 | azeem | cain--: what are you doing? |
| 12:59.12 | cain-- | mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /media/daten |
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| 12:59.26 | cain-- | i typed this |
| 12:59.26 | azeem | cain--: as root? |
| 12:59.28 | cain-- | y |
| 12:59.48 | azeem | does "touch /tmp/foo" work? |
| 13:00.10 | cain-- | no response so i think it works |
| 13:00.24 | azeem | no response as in, another command prompt? |
| 13:00.34 | cain-- | server:/media# touch /tmp/foo |
| 13:00.34 | cain-- | server:/media# |
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| 13:00.42 | azeem | so there's a response, just no output |
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| 13:01.02 | cain-- | yes |
| 13:01.06 | cain-- | sorry |
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| 13:01.15 | azeem | cain--: what does "ls -l /etc/mtab*" say? |
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| 13:01.30 | cain-- | server:/media# ls -l /etc/mtab* |
| 13:01.31 | cain-- | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 349 Apr 4 16:56 /etc/mtab |
| 13:01.31 | cain-- | -rw------- 1 root root 249 Apr 4 17:52 /etc/mtab.tmp |
| 13:01.31 | cain-- | -rw------- 1 root root 0 Apr 4 17:52 /etc/mtab~ |
| 13:01.31 | cain-- | server:/media# |
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| 13:02.57 | cain-- | reurnet |
| 13:03.00 | cain-- | returned |
| 13:03.07 | azeem | cain--: try to rm /etc/mtab~ |
| 13:03.20 | cain-- | rmdir? |
| 13:03.25 | azeem | no, rm |
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| 13:03.40 | cain-- | it worked |
| 13:03.44 | cain-- | an then remount? |
| 13:03.47 | ribasushi | hi |
| 13:03.47 | azeem | wait |
| 13:03.51 | cain-- | ok |
| 13:03.58 | azeem | cain--: run "mount", does it mention /dev/hdb2? |
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| 13:04.13 | ribasushi | is there a place that archives old release repositories? some place I could find the entire latest potato repository for instance |
| 13:04.22 | azeem | ribasushi: archive.debian.org |
| 13:04.22 | cain-- | mope |
| 13:04.24 | cain-- | nope |
| 13:04.33 | azeem | cain--: and in /etc/mtab? |
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| 13:04.46 | blerk | can anyone tell me why transfering small files to my debian box via ftp causes the ftp transfer to stall, ive tried; proftpd, wu-tpd, vs-ftpd and the normal ftpd, they all have the same issue.. anyone any idea's? |
| 13:04.53 | cain-- | not either |
| 13:04.57 | ribasushi | azeem: excellent |
| 13:04.58 | azeem | cain--: then try again |
| 13:05.00 | xand | don't use ftp |
| 13:05.04 | ribasushi | azeem: thanks |
| 13:05.07 | azeem | np |
| 13:05.21 | cain-- | server:/media# mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb2 /media/daten |
| 13:05.21 | cain-- | mount: /dev/hdb2 already mounted or /media/daten busy |
| 13:05.21 | cain-- | server:/media# |
| 13:05.22 | blerk | xand you can shut up if you have nothing properly to say innit |
| 13:05.33 | blerk | nobjockey |
| 13:05.36 | xand | blerk: tard |
| 13:05.36 | azeem | cain--: inspect /media/daten |
| 13:06.06 | cain-- | yes thank you so much |
| 13:06.06 | blerk | how many webhosters you know that dont use ftp xand? |
| 13:06.09 | cain-- | it works now |
| 13:06.15 | blerk | fool |
| 13:06.18 | xand | plenty |
| 13:06.26 | xand | not my fault if they want to be insecure |
| 13:06.29 | azeem | blerk, xand: stop it |
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| 13:06.53 | blerk | fuck this shit, i askd a normal question and this is what5 i get? |
| 13:07.02 | blerk | "dont use ftp" |
| 13:07.04 | blerk | nice help |
| 13:07.15 | fireba11 | geez .. will you guys calm down ? |
| 13:07.50 | fireba11 | blerk : define "small files" .. and do biggr files work normally then ? |
| 13:07.54 | blerk | i knew debian made a mistake sticking to this netweork |
| 13:08.01 | blerk | im of to oftc again |
| 13:08.02 | blerk | tata |
| 13:08.05 | blerk | noobs |
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| 13:08.16 | xand | good riddance |
| 13:08.32 | fireba11 | ah well if he doesn't wany any help there's nothign i can do about it |
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| 13:09.53 | fireba11 | no wonder noone answered him .. he didn't even tell what FTP server he was using ^^ |
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| 13:10.07 | azeem | he did |
| 13:10.19 | fireba11 | hm .. didn't notice then |
| 13:10.21 | fireba11 | anyway |
| 13:10.47 | xand | 2007-04-04 14:09:43 <blerk> fuck you too fucking asshole, kiddies liek you make this network so crappy as it is now, i hope you die quickly liek lilo did :) |
| 13:10.51 | xand | charming |
| 13:11.07 | fireba11 | lilo didn't exactly die quickly |
| 13:11.48 | fengor | 15:04 < blerk> can anyone tell me why transfering small files to my debian box via ftp causes the ftp transfer to stall, ive tried; proftpd, wu-tpd, vs-ftpd and the normal ftpd, they all have the same issue.. anyone any idea's? |
| 13:11.53 | fengor | he did fireba11 ;) |
| 13:12.07 | fireba11 | fengor: true .. but he didn't way what client he was using then |
| 13:12.09 | fengor | but i agree his behaviour was not the best |
| 13:12.20 | fireba11 | fengor: also this sounds more like a network problem |
| 13:12.30 | fengor | true |
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| 13:15.46 | xand | he has control of the server so should use something sensible like scp or sftp |
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| 13:18.33 | raz0 | Is there any way to pipe to coloured output from ls to grep to select only directories and still retain the colouring? |
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| 13:23.14 | raz0 | s/pipe to/pipe the/ |
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| 13:24.14 | ribasushi | azeem: do the distributions at archive.debian.org have all the available security patches applied that were available at the time of discontinuation? |
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| 13:24.47 | azeem | ribasushi: I guess only the ones which got onto ftp.debian.org via stable point releases |
| 13:24.52 | azeem | not sure |
| 13:25.03 | ribasushi | got it |
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| 13:36.46 | SensationBlack | Hello everybody, is there anyway to autologin using wdm ? |
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| 13:41.50 | EvilGuru | I have placed an executable shell script (chmod 755, gid and uid to root) in /etc/cron.daily but it does not seem to be running |
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| 13:42.37 | xand | EvilGuru: does it have a . in the name? |
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| 13:43.18 | EvilGuru | xand: no, but it does have a space |
| 13:43.49 | cain-- | i created a user named ftp with adduser ftp but i cant login with this name |
| 13:44.00 | cain-- | i want to run proftpd with it |
| 13:44.07 | cain-- | am idoing that right? |
| 13:44.24 | xand | EvilGuru: rename it to be just letters/numbers |
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| 13:44.48 | foo | err, which package is unrar in? I added contrib to my sources, apt-get install unrar... I thought that used to work. Any ideas? |
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| 13:44.54 | EvilGuru | xand: If it has worked when will cron find it |
| 13:44.55 | xand | rar? |
| 13:45.06 | SensationBlack | cain-- : here is an interessing howto for proftp : http://archiv.debianhowto.de/en/proftpd/c_proftpd.html |
| 13:45.06 | xand | EvilGuru: what? |
| 13:45.18 | foo | xand: Doesn't seem to work |
| 13:45.34 | azeem | foo: add non-free as well |
| 13:45.38 | EvilGuru | xand: It is in cron.daily and so should run once a day - how do I know when that is going to be (so I can see if it is working) |
| 13:45.46 | foo | azeem: ahh, I added contrib.. just append non-free to the end? |
| 13:45.50 | azeem | yes |
| 13:45.55 | fengor | foo: apt-get update |
| 13:45.55 | xand | EvilGuru: look in /etc/crontab |
| 13:45.57 | foo | ah, that must be fairly new, I don't recall that. |
| 13:45.58 | foo | thanks |
| 13:46.01 | xand | it'll be around 6.25am |
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| 13:46.28 | EvilGuru | xand: yep I see |
| 13:46.52 | cain-- | sensationblack: i saw this howto already but im new to linux and dont understand how it is meant to be |
| 13:47.00 | EvilGuru | So, there is /etc/crontab which is global, ctrontab |
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| 13:47.21 | foo | Get:2 http://mirrors.usc.edu stable/non-free Release [99B] |
| 13:47.23 | EvilGuru | crontab -e which allows you to edit the local one, and then cron.d daily hourly etc which are periodically run |
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| 13:47.25 | foo | Geez, could it be any slower. |
| 13:47.25 | foo | heh |
| 13:47.37 | cain-- | i have one user root who should be able to read an write everything |
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| 13:47.53 | HostilePenguin | say i get etch today and next week it goes stable is there any difference between them? |
| 13:47.57 | foo | cain--: He who plays at root can kill the tree. |
| 13:48.00 | azeem | HostilePenguin: not much |
| 13:48.02 | cain-- | and then i want to create serveral other users with diffrent rights |
| 13:48.03 | xand | cain--: you want to use ftp as root? |
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| 13:48.15 | foo | azeem: thanks, it was in there |
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| 13:48.34 | SensationBlack | cain-- : the root account is for administration only, you must not connect with root account to ftp |
| 13:48.41 | xand | !ftp |
| 13:48.41 | cain-- | well at least i want to back up my ntfs drive via ftp |
| 13:48.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 13:49.12 | NiaB | hi |
| 13:49.31 | cain-- | so i need one user who has access to /media/daten |
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| 13:50.25 | SensationBlack | cain--: follow the insctruction step by step, give the needed right on /media/daten to your user, then it should work |
| 13:50.52 | cain-- | ok |
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| 13:52.55 | NiaB | The fuse blow-out, so the pc turned off... I tried to boot my 2.6.7 kernel and it stucks at this line: Freeing unused kernel memory: 124K freed |
| 13:53.07 | NiaB | but i could boot my 2.4.x kernel |
| 13:53.27 | NiaB | so i thought the kernel crapped |
| 13:53.44 | NiaB | i tried another 2.6.x kernel and stucks there either |
| 13:53.45 | cain-- | how can i get an overview about all users and gruops? |
| 13:54.09 | fengor | cat /etc/passwd |
| 13:54.11 | cain-- | i played so much that i dont know which users created |
| 13:54.13 | NiaB | any idea? |
| 13:54.14 | fengor | cat /etc/group |
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| 13:55.25 | fengor | or depending on the size less instead of cat |
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| 13:55.50 | NiaB | Has anybody met this problem? |
| 13:55.51 | fasta | Why can't I play two sound streams at the same time with ALSA? |
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| 13:56.03 | cncfanatics | greetings, I'd like some help with alsa, if possible :p |
| 13:56.16 | fasta | I thought things like dmix weren't necessary anymore? |
| 13:56.35 | cncfanatics | I installed alsa, used module-assistant to set it up, then alsaconf and alsactl store, but I can't get any sound :( |
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| 13:56.55 | NiaB | why are you ppl here? |
| 13:56.58 | NiaB | omg |
| 13:57.02 | NiaB | whata zombie channel |
| 13:57.19 | tarzeau | NiaB: for fun |
| 13:57.19 | BlueParrot | does that actually work ? |
| 13:57.30 | tarzeau | BlueParrot: goodbye, yes it works |
| 13:57.37 | BlueParrot | and more importantly, does it run under wine ? :p |
| 13:57.46 | fengor | NiaB: if there isnt anyone who can help you atm i'd try again in a few hours. ppl here change due to different timezones |
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| 13:57.56 | tarzeau | BlueParrot: wine doesn't emulate a computer, just windows libraries |
| 13:58.03 | NiaB | tarzeau then you dont have any sense of humour |
| 13:58.17 | Peak | hi there. could you tell me where imagemagick is installed in sarge? i couldn't find the bin |
| 13:58.17 | fengor | and its normally regarded more polite to just say nothing if you cant help with a certain problem than to flood the room with: sorry cant help you messages |
| 13:58.30 | tarzeau | Peak: dpkg -L imagemagick |grep bin |
| 13:58.46 | tarzeau | Peak: as usual, software for the people goes into /usr/bin |
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| 13:58.56 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 13:58.57 | Ace2016 | any secure delete apps for xfs and ext3? |
| 13:58.57 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:58.57 | dpkg | [qotd121] <amorphix> bunzip2: linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 is not a bzip2 file <cahoot> amorphix: run 'file linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2 ' <amorphix> linuxwacom-0.6.8.tar.bz2: HTML document text <liable> you idget <amorphix> liable: I dont have idget <amorphix> is the name right? |
| 13:59.23 | tarzeau | Ace2016: shred ? |
| 13:59.35 | NiaB | okay i will try it later |
| 13:59.50 | Ace2016 | ok i'll try it thanks |
| 13:59.56 | Peak | tarzeau: i know. but in /usr/bin shoud be a ImageMagick bin file. but there isn't one |
| 13:59.58 | tarzeau | Ace2016: but it says it's not good for xfs and ext3 :) |
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| 14:00.11 | fasta | "NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing." |
| 14:00.16 | fasta | I have version 1.0.13 |
| 14:00.26 | fasta | So... why doesn't it work? |
| 14:00.27 | SpComb | NiaB: as a haphazard guess, have you tried running memtest? |
| 14:00.32 | tarzeau | Peak: no it shouldn't. try to start with display some.picture |
| 14:01.04 | fengor | fasta: did you try turning the volume up in a mixer? |
| 14:01.06 | raphaa | hi folks, i have a problem |
| 14:01.06 | raphaa | i want to receive a website throght <domain>:8186 (site on a tomcat server) |
| 14:01.07 | raphaa | the problem is that i do not receive the port!!! |
| 14:01.19 | Peak | tarzeau : ok. i'm gonna try |
| 14:01.20 | Peak | thx |
| 14:01.29 | fasta | fengor: I can hear one stream perfectly. |
| 14:01.33 | NiaB | SpComb: nope |
| 14:01.34 | fengor | ah ok |
| 14:01.40 | fengor | sorry no idea then |
| 14:01.46 | fasta | fengor: For the other I get that the sound device is busy |
| 14:02.15 | cain-- | It assumes that you have a user/group |
| 14:02.15 | cain-- | # "nobody" and "ftp" for normal operation and anon. |
| 14:02.21 | cain-- | what does that mean? |
| 14:02.22 | tarzeau | anyone seen this? File '/usr/share/applications/sodipodi.desktop' contains invalid MIME type 'image/svg+xml,image/svg' that contains invalid characters |
| 14:02.27 | cain-- | do i have to vreate this? |
| 14:03.44 | tarzeau | hm seems to be #278430 |
| 14:03.44 | Trewas | fasta: I have wondered the same, why are they claiming dmix is enabled by default while it clearly isn't |
| 14:03.44 | NiaB | SpCom: but it always stuck at the same place, so if its a memory fault it would have errors on 2.4.x kernel either, or it would cause random errors |
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| 14:03.54 | cydork | Trewas: it is working fine here. |
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| 14:05.13 | NiaB | i should run a memtest later its sure, but now i think the problem is elsewhere |
| 14:05.26 | NiaB | what can i do if the hda is crapped (some bad blocks) |
| 14:05.34 | NiaB | i tried to fix it by fsck |
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| 14:06.02 | fengor | NiaB: boot from a livecd and somehow try to backup as much of the data as possible |
| 14:06.15 | NiaB | and maybe it blocked the important inodes (im so unprofessional at fsck so tell me if im wrong) |
| 14:07.04 | NiaB | yea i meant to use this hda with badsectors, or its not possible? |
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| 14:07.18 | fasta | Trewas: It appears that it depends on the application. |
| 14:07.22 | tarzeau | NiaB, fengor: you can run a memtest now in the system, check the package memtester |
| 14:07.24 | NiaB | where can i set kernel memory parameters anyway? |
| 14:07.34 | fasta | Trewas: I can play two movies (with sound) at the same time. |
| 14:07.47 | Trewas | hrm, now that I tried audacious and mplayer both play at the same time... I wonder when was the last time I actually bothered to try :P |
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| 14:08.37 | tarzeau | NiaB: in the boot loader? |
| 14:08.47 | tarzeau | NiaB: for grub you can edit them on the fly using the 'e' key |
| 14:09.11 | Trewas | on my other two computers the same combination of programs can't play audio at the same time, but they are running ubuntu so it's possible ubuntu is doing something different |
| 14:09.14 | praecox | hey guys |
| 14:09.21 | EvilGuru | When fsck runs it often gives me an output such as: [...] 74345/5980160 files [...] |
| 14:09.27 | EvilGuru | does what this mean? |
| 14:09.28 | tarzeau | Trewas: or it's the driver/soundcard? |
| 14:09.29 | praecox | I am currently trying to install Debian Etch AMD64 on my PowerEdge. |
| 14:09.41 | fasta | Trewas: I found the problem. |
| 14:09.42 | NiaB | tarzeau i use lilo, but i will look over it |
| 14:09.45 | praecox | I passed Detect network hardware |
| 14:09.52 | fasta | Trewas: Amarok was still configured to use OSS> |
| 14:09.56 | praecox | and chose the first from two available network cards |
| 14:09.58 | Trewas | tarzeau: maybe, but I thought dmix should take care of that, none of these computers have soundcards with hw mixing |
| 14:10.01 | fasta | Trewas: OTOH, this shouldn't matter. |
| 14:10.15 | cain-- | what does this mean: |
| 14:10.15 | cain-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.15 | cain-- | server.workgroup - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket |
| 14:10.21 | praecox | but when I enter Configure the network |
| 14:10.56 | fasta | tarzeau: Do you consider it a bug that Amarok with OSS backend and mplayer with a alsa backend cannot play at the same time? |
| 14:11.00 | fasta | tarzeau: I think it is. |
| 14:11.03 | tarzeau | fasta: no |
| 14:11.19 | fasta | tarzeau: Why not? The oss should use the alsa-oss emulation, right> |
| 14:11.22 | praecox | it gets me back to screen with option to choose one of two network cards. |
| 14:11.25 | tarzeau | fasta: no |
| 14:11.32 | fasta | tarzeau: ok, then please enlighten me. |
| 14:11.34 | tarzeau | fasta: it's not a bug, it's the users' fault |
| 14:11.39 | praecox | even if I skip to Detect disks |
| 14:11.43 | praecox | it gets me back again |
| 14:11.45 | praecox | to that screen. |
| 14:11.47 | tarzeau | fasta: if you only have one sound card... nobody says you get software mixing |
| 14:11.49 | praecox | what can I do? |
| 14:12.06 | fasta | tarzeau: yes, the alsa website says so. |
| 14:12.08 | tarzeau | praecox: maybe some hardware isn't supported? |
| 14:12.14 | cydork | fasta: does it work with "aoss amarok"? |
| 14:12.17 | tarzeau | fasta: but you had oss selected for the software |
| 14:12.39 | fasta | tarzeau: yes, but that should use the alsa emulation. |
| 14:12.45 | tarzeau | fasta: if you tell it to use oss, it would be a crime if it didn't |
| 14:12.59 | tarzeau | fasta: then file a bug, i don't think it's one (against amarok, right?) |
| 14:13.03 | praecox | tarzeau, these are NetXtreme II, both listed. |
| 14:13.12 | praecox | tarzeau, Gigabit Ethernet. |
| 14:13.24 | fasta | cydork: yes, that works. |
| 14:13.26 | tarzeau | praecox: never heard of those. lspci says waht on them? with and without -n |
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| 14:13.49 | praecox | tarzeau, it's dell hardware. |
| 14:14.00 | praecox | tarzeau, and I know it's supported by Debian. |
| 14:14.11 | praecox | tarzeau, well, I can't get to console from Drac 5. |
| 14:14.42 | tarzeau | praecox: i don't know what drac 5 is |
| 14:15.08 | cydork | fasta: there was a reason for that.. but the problem is i dont remember it now :P |
| 14:15.12 | fengor | sounds like mandriva |
| 14:16.06 | praecox | tarzeau, it's Dell Remote Access Controller. |
| 14:16.22 | praecox | tarzeau, remote console. |
| 14:16.31 | tarzeau | praecox: aha |
| 14:16.50 | tarzeau | praecox: can you not run lspci and copy paste the relevant line? |
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| 14:21.24 | elodeon | hello. how do i mount an NTFS partition for it to be accessed by other computers on the LAN , and how do I access it from windows? |
| 14:21.56 | liable | with samba |
| 14:22.12 | elodeon | elaborate a little please |
| 14:22.27 | Ronin | elodeon: you install samba then read the docs |
| 14:22.34 | tarzeau | elodeon: maybe something with -o umask=000 |
| 14:23.03 | elodeon | so i cannot look at my debian FROM Windows without samba ? |
| 14:23.10 | tarzeau | elodeon: yes you can |
| 14:23.11 | fengor | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/ |
| 14:23.14 | elodeon | what did people do before samba? |
| 14:23.16 | abrotman | elodeon: NFS |
| 14:23.20 | elodeon | tarzeau: thanks how ? |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | elodeon: or from the same machine ? |
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| 14:23.31 | elodeon | unfortunately my linux partitions are ext |
| 14:23.33 | elodeon | not nfs |
| 14:23.39 | elodeon | but i have an ntfs partition too |
| 14:23.42 | tarzeau | elodeon: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsd or http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm |
| 14:23.43 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 14:23.43 | dpkg | explore2fs is, like, a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 14:23.51 | elodeon | thanks very much all |
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| 14:24.13 | elodeon | thank you very much |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | elodeon: samba has nothing to do with what you're asking about .. neither does nfs .. you're asking how to mount your linux partitions in windows or vice versa |
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| 14:24.24 | elodeon | no |
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| 14:24.46 | elodeon | i'm asking how to access my NTFS partition on a debian machine FROM a windows machine |
| 14:25.01 | elodeon | because windows doesn't see my debian machine AT ALL |
| 14:25.04 | fengor | elodeon: the other computers on your lan. what operating systems do they have? |
| 14:25.12 | liable | samba |
| 14:25.15 | elodeon | windows, ubuntu, solaris |
| 14:25.17 | fengor | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/ |
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| 14:25.47 | elodeon | and yes i'm a linux noob |
| 14:25.56 | elodeon | although i did my college on solaris and bsd |
| 14:26.00 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 14:26.05 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's just stupid |
| 14:26.16 | raphaa | could anybody tell me a tool where i can sniff ports? |
| 14:26.23 | raphaa | opensource pls |
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| 14:26.34 | shen | does anyone know a trick to split te output of dd_rescue to multiple files. With maybe pipeing with split? |
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| 14:26.51 | yos87_ | Hi |
| 14:26.54 | liable | raphaa: nmap |
| 14:27.01 | tarzeau | raphaa: tcpdump? ngrep? |
| 14:27.05 | raphaa | thx |
| 14:27.22 | tarzeau | liable: that'd be scanning, no? |
| 14:27.25 | abrotman | ~ntfsro |
| 14:27.29 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 14:27.31 | liable | tarzeau: yeah |
| 14:27.32 | abrotman | badgers: ntfsro |
| 14:27.32 | badgers | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 14:27.47 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 14:27.47 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | yay |
| 14:28.43 | cain-- | i created a new user with adduser -s /bin/ftp robert |
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| 14:28.49 | yos87_ | I have question, No software in linux to connect Nokia phone? like Nokia pc suite to synchernize your calender and notes .... |
| 14:28.59 | abrotman | yos87_: freshmeat.net ? |
| 14:29.02 | cain-- | and then i set a passwird with usermod -p ps robert |
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| 14:29.14 | cain-- | but i cant log into the ftp account |
| 14:29.20 | cain-- | whats wrong? |
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| 14:29.32 | fengor | cain--: what ftp server software are you using? |
| 14:29.37 | cain-- | proftpd |
| 14:29.49 | cain-- | and i used the hoeto |
| 14:29.56 | cain-- | http://archiv.debianhowto.de/en/proftpd/c_proftpd.html |
| 14:30.05 | cain-- | is configured everything like it is there |
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| 14:30.30 | \amethyst | cain--: did you add /bin/ftp to /etc/shells ? |
| 14:30.38 | fengor | what is the error message you get? |
| 14:30.49 | cain-- | no |
| 14:30.51 | cain-- | how? |
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| 14:31.06 | \amethyst | cain--: Search the howto you posted for /etc/shells |
| 14:31.25 | cain-- | but i dont want robert as shell user |
| 14:31.30 | cain-- | just ftp |
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| 14:31.46 | fengor | then you need a different howto |
| 14:31.48 | \amethyst | cain--: Read the document you pasted a link to |
| 14:32.09 | cain-- | ohh yes i did that aready sorry |
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| 14:33.07 | abrotman | cain--: why are you using ftp ? |
| 14:33.14 | yos87_ | abrotman: Thank you !! |
| 14:33.15 | fengor | http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-VirtualUsers.html |
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| 14:33.29 | swami | gicu este but |
| 14:33.44 | cain-- | because im setting up an apache/ftp/php/mysql/svn server :) |
| 14:33.51 | Ronin | !ru |
| 14:33.52 | dpkg | somebody said ru was Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:33.58 | swami | gicu este but |
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| 14:34.10 | glub | Does anyone know why, despite what my ftab says or the permissions of the directory, whenever I mount my usb stick the directory turns read only? |
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| 14:34.59 | \amethyst | glub: the stick has a vfat on it? |
| 14:35.13 | \amethyst | glub: what mount options are you using? |
| 14:35.30 | glub | It's vfat, yeah |
| 14:35.34 | glub | I'm currently using: |
| 14:36.09 | glub | defaults,users,umask=000,uid=1000,gid=1000 |
| 14:36.16 | cain-- | grrr why does this always have to be that complicated? i have to read for 2 hoer to set up one user |
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| 14:39.16 | \amethyst | glub: and when a user mounts the stick, what are the permissions of files and/or directories there |
| 14:39.19 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 14:39.36 | glub | Owned by root, and read only |
| 14:39.39 | glub | Writable by user though |
| 14:40.33 | \amethyst | glub: So root:user 464 ? |
| 14:40.36 | \amethyst | that would be very strange |
| 14:40.41 | glub | OK, this is weird |
| 14:40.44 | glub | It works now! |
| 14:40.49 | fengor | cain--: no setting up an user is quite fast when the system is set up correctly |
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| 14:41.07 | \amethyst | cain--: Did you add /bin/ftp to /etc/shells ? |
| 14:41.41 | glub | \amethyst: it was u=rwx o=rx and g=rx.. not sure of the number code |
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| 14:42.07 | \amethyst | glub: that's 755, which should be writable only by the user |
| 14:42.17 | glub | Yeah, which was root |
| 14:42.18 | glub | Very strange |
| 14:43.20 | EmergeTW | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.26 | \amethyst | cain--: the alternative is to turn off RequireValidShell in the proftpd config, but you should make sure system users are denied then |
| 14:43.37 | \amethyst | EmergeTW: etherape ? |
| 14:43.48 | \amethyst | EmergeTW: it scans the local net, nm |
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| 14:44.11 | EmergeTW | \amethyst, this is a local network so it might be it |
| 14:44.12 | \amethyst | EmergeTW: nmap ? |
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| 14:47.34 | elodeon | where is the english for www.debianhowto.de ? |
| 14:47.47 | cydork | EmergeTW: cheops-ng ? |
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| 14:49.03 | c5jr | elodeon, why do you need it? |
| 14:49.27 | xand | you should make sure system users are always denied ftp :P |
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| 14:50.30 | EmergeTW | cydork, cheops-ng might work too, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 14:50.35 | QricasTETONAS | hi. im looking for two boys in the same cam... im a girl with cam!!!! |
| 14:50.43 | elodeon | how do I get and setup ssh ? |
| 14:51.06 | \amethyst | elodeon: server, client, or both |
| 14:51.22 | c5jr | elodeon, first apt-get install ssh, then edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and/or /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 14:51.30 | irule | Balance the IRQ's once on a pentium D? |
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| 14:52.08 | cydork | EmergeTW: no problem, and anyways cheops-ng uses nmap for scanning |
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| 14:52.42 | EmergeTW | cydork, yeah, I saw that when I read the page |
| 14:53.01 | EmergeTW | cydork, I just wanted something that did a bit more than nmap did on its own :) |
| 14:53.35 | cydork | did any one notice QricasTETONAS ?? is it just me ? |
| 14:53.42 | cydork | EmergeTW: :) |
| 14:53.56 | me_here | it is just you |
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| 14:54.19 | cydork | me_here: ahh ok then.. :) |
| 14:54.28 | me_here | have a nice day |
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| 14:57.29 | Ronin | what about them cydork ? |
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| 14:57.35 | Ronin | ahh never mind i see now |
| 14:57.38 | salman | hello friends |
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| 14:59.26 | me_here | !seen rushdy |
| 14:59.28 | anapivirtua_ | Night all. |
| 14:59.30 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'rushdy', me_here |
| 14:59.36 | me_here | oh wee |
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| 15:00.32 | salman | I am thinking of compiling a kernel from the latest sources, jusy for the sake of doing it, and learning, and probably liking the new kernel. so what is the best way to go with this? downloading from kernel.org? what about the config file? since the current debian kernel 2.6.18-4 works fine, how to get the config file for it and starting from there? |
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| 15:01.07 | Axehat | salman: For the love of all things holy, DON'T unless you really need to. |
| 15:01.13 | Axehat | or you're not a complete retard like me... |
| 15:01.35 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:01.36 | cydork | salman: your config is in /boot/config-2.6.18-4-686 but anyways no one learns anything by compiling anything. |
| 15:01.43 | VImtermute | oy |
| 15:02.02 | \amethyst | salman: you want to install kernel-package then read man make-kpkg |
| 15:02.05 | bilsta | hey, where are mysql databases stored on debian ? |
| 15:02.07 | cydork | salman: also if you are serious about compiling use kernel package(that's the debina way.) |
| 15:02.21 | cydork | s/debina/debian/ |
| 15:02.33 | \amethyst | salman: As for the .config, you can copy that from the debian kernel source, or from /boot as cydork suggests |
| 15:03.11 | Axehat | salman: Best of luck to ya... |
| 15:03.57 | c5jr | using make-kpkg is a different experience/process from making a kernel on its own |
| 15:04.21 | cydork | c5jr: it's not that different. it just makes a deb after compiling. |
| 15:04.22 | xand | bilsta: /var/lib/mysql |
| 15:04.29 | c5jr | as you get to package while you go... if you don't need a deb, you could just compile |
| 15:04.33 | bilsta | thanks zand |
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| 15:04.43 | c5jr | yeah, well, ive run make-kpkg quite a few times |
| 15:04.46 | salman | Axehat: cydork: \amethyst: thank tou all. I have a pretty old system, AMD 1000 and would like to squeeze few cpu cycles out of it (don't even suggest gentoo). |
| 15:04.56 | c5jr | and there have been issues on more than one occassion |
| 15:05.05 | Axehat | Haha! I wasn't going to! |
| 15:05.07 | cydork | !gentoosmite salman |
| 15:05.13 | Axehat | But your welcome, nonetheless |
| 15:05.38 | Axehat | What a waste... |
| 15:05.38 | cydork | dpkg: you are lagging. |
| 15:05.38 | dpkg | cydork: what are you talking about? |
| 15:06.14 | c5jr | it requires changes to some debian or revision files iirc, which if it isn't performed according to spec, makes the kernel build break |
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| 15:06.22 | salman | I am converting all my systems (even older ones) to debian, as I love it, so learning the debian way is not bad at all |
| 15:06.27 | c5jr | kernel-package, that is... |
| 15:06.35 | elodeon | c5jr: thank you |
| 15:06.36 | \amethyst | salman: How do you plan on going about that (squeezing out cycles)? |
| 15:07.08 | c5jr | elodeon, sure :) |
| 15:08.08 | elodeon | it seems i have ssh client not sshd |
| 15:08.45 | c5jr | make-kpkg required (last time i used it) naming conventions to be 100% correct in a few locations for both kernel build and debian packaging |
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| 15:09.25 | salman | \amethyst: removing un-needed packages and processes, using lighter wm, getting a slimer jernel, any other suggestions? |
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| 15:10.01 | \amethyst | salman: Removing drivers from the kernel isn't usually going to make things any faster |
| 15:10.26 | \amethyst | salman: unless you're using depmod -a to do your benchmarks |
| 15:11.01 | c5jr | do you not have openssh-server, elodeon ? |
| 15:11.06 | salman | \amethyst: no benchmarks other than normal usage differne |
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| 15:12.33 | c5jr | dpkg -s openssh-server |
| 15:12.33 | dpkg | Package: openssh-server: Status: install ok installed |
| 15:12.53 | salman | \amethyst: ohh, another way to speed up the system is to try get some more ram for it :-) used to do the trick before :-) |
| 15:13.04 | c5jr | elodeon, dpkg -s openssh-server.. i forgot the 807 |
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| 15:15.04 | talaok | hi |
| 15:15.14 | talaok | how can i optimize my filedescriptor in debian ? |
| 15:15.25 | talaok | there's no /usr/inclide/bits :S |
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| 15:16.26 | \amethyst | optimize your filedescriptor? What does that mean? |
| 15:16.50 | c5jr | talaok, do you mean there's no /usr/include/bits in your system, or in the kernel source package? |
| 15:16.57 | talaok | no |
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| 15:17.00 | \amethyst | how do you optimize an integer? |
| 15:17.03 | talaok | nop |
| 15:17.32 | c5jr | so you downloaded the kernel source package and it wasn't in there? |
| 15:17.37 | c5jr | or the headers? |
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| 15:17.47 | Gathond | \amethyst: make it a short? |
| 15:17.54 | Gathond | \amethyst: I assume |
| 15:18.13 | Gathond | whether that actually optimizes anything depends on compiler and CPU |
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| 15:18.22 | bilsta | is their anything within debian i can edit a database with? |
| 15:18.33 | c5jr | yes. |
| 15:18.36 | Ronin | so then what do you mean talaok |
| 15:18.37 | \amethyst | bilsta: what kind of database |
| 15:18.42 | aadil | ? |
| 15:19.21 | bilsta | \amethyst: mysql database |
| 15:19.43 | c5jr | you want a gui bilsta? |
| 15:20.08 | bilsta | no, im ssh into the server i'd something command line if possible |
| 15:20.12 | c5jr | because the mysql command line allows you to do whatever with databases |
| 15:20.15 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 15:20.15 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 15:20.17 | \amethyst | bitflip: mysql-client |
| 15:20.20 | c5jr | then connect to it with the mysql command |
| 15:20.48 | c5jr | or use mysqladmin, if you swing that way |
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| 15:29.58 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 15:30.05 | xand | why hello |
| 15:30.08 | dazjorz | My server crashed three or four times in the past week |
| 15:30.09 | dazjorz | hi xand |
| 15:30.53 | dazjorz | after I reboot, the logs just stop at a certain time and they go on at a certain time when I reboot it |
| 15:31.07 | dazjorz | when I ping the server while it's down, it gives No route to host |
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| 15:31.29 | dazjorz | it doesn't respond to network input or any other input like mouse or keyboard, the screen stays inactive, there's nothing else it does |
| 15:31.44 | xand | does it say anything on the console? |
| 15:31.49 | Fozzy | moin zusammen :) |
| 15:32.03 | elodeon | where is good docs / info on configuring sshd ? |
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| 15:32.03 | xand | Fozzy: pardon? |
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| 15:32.03 | dazjorz | however the network interface lights stay on, and they go on and off now and then (meaning there is activity, or it's pretending there is) |
| 15:32.11 | xand | elodeon: man sshd_config? |
| 15:32.13 | dazjorz | xand: the screen is down, I can't see any console |
| 15:32.25 | xand | network lights are hardware level |
| 15:32.28 | \amethyst | dazjorz: the NIC lights being on doesn't mean much |
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| 15:32.37 | dazjorz | I guessed so indeed |
| 15:32.37 | myren_ | wait network lights? |
| 15:32.40 | \amethyst | dazjorz: just that the NIC is still getting powered |
| 15:32.44 | Fozzy | xand: sry, that was german ;) |
| 15:32.52 | myren_ | oh i was thinking you had networked lighting in your house |
| 15:32.54 | xand | dazjorz: could be overheating |
| 15:32.56 | myren_ | thats what i get for not sleeping |
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| 15:33.29 | jetscreamer | !lart abrotman |
| 15:33.42 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i put it back! |
| 15:33.47 | jetscreamer | yeah i saw |
| 15:33.51 | dazjorz | the first crash was a week ago or so, just a week or so after I installed Debian (I had Netbsd installed on it for a month or so, before that also debian, had no problems before this) |
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| 15:33.56 | abrotman | at least you didn't author it this time :) |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | there should really be something there |
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| 15:34.15 | jetscreamer | abrotman: the rwvfat one is the really trashed/altered one |
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| 15:34.42 | dazjorz | It could be overheating indeed, but I never had this problem before and the servers' been running for a few years now |
| 15:34.42 | jetscreamer | abrotman: they used to be practically identical (just like the line in my fstab) |
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| 15:35.19 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: is the box in a clean environment? |
| 15:35.21 | dazjorz | it's passed a few summers, and it's not really hot at the moment (20 degrees at max) |
| 15:35.26 | jetscreamer | if not, try cleaning the heatsink |
| 15:35.32 | jetscreamer | kruft does build up |
| 15:35.33 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: There's no dust, but it's not very clean either |
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| 15:35.47 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: Ok, I'll clean it, see if it helps |
| 15:35.47 | jetscreamer | if it's a temp problem i mena |
| 15:35.50 | jetscreamer | mean |
| 15:36.02 | \amethyst | dazjorz: Without more info, it's hard to tell why it would be locking up. Does your motherboard keep a log of events like overheating |
| 15:36.13 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: i have to clean mine about once every month or two, but i have a lot of animals around |
| 15:36.23 | dazjorz | \amethyst: no, I don't think so, it's a compaq motherboard, there's almost nothing in BIOS |
| 15:36.47 | c5jr | what kind of server? |
| 15:36.54 | abrotman | jetscreamer: oh well .. you'll get over it :) |
| 15:37.00 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: but, it's usually when it's under load that it would freeze/lock up, so if you can compile a kernel it's 'probably' not heat |
| 15:37.05 | dazjorz | It's an AMD processor, not sure which even |
| 15:37.10 | abrotman | jetscreamer: my personal fave is the 'captiventfs' one :) |
| 15:37.22 | dazjorz | it has 196 MB of ram, it sounds odd maybe but it's so |
| 15:37.24 | jetscreamer | haven't seen that one... /me looks |
| 15:37.35 | jetscreamer | no it's 128+64 eh |
| 15:37.38 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 15:37.41 | Jonlin | I think my kernel package is Canadian; "/boot/vmlinux does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh?" |
| 15:37.43 | abrotman | aw .. someone took out the best part of it |
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| 15:37.49 | abrotman | badgers: captiventfs |
| 15:37.49 | badgers | extra, extra, read all about it, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or ... |
| 15:38.03 | jelly | 196 = 128 + 64 + 4 |
| 15:38.05 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: So I should try to build a kernel? |
| 15:38.13 | dazjorz | indeed jelly, something like that :( |
| 15:38.15 | c5jr | dazjorz, it sounds old.. maybe it has some problems. |
| 15:38.16 | dazjorz | (:* |
| 15:38.19 | c5jr | idk |
| 15:38.26 | dazjorz | c5jr: maybe I should do a memory test or so |
| 15:38.29 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: that was just an example of what can lock a heat challenged box up |
| 15:38.35 | c5jr | couldnt hurt |
| 15:38.50 | dazjorz | the machine doesn't do a lot, mostly it's idling |
| 15:38.50 | c5jr | or use the vendor supplied diagnostic cd |
| 15:38.52 | jetscreamer | you could try that, or just read the temps? |
| 15:39.01 | dazjorz | c5jr: there is no vendor supplied diagnostic cd |
| 15:39.04 | c5jr | BOO |
| 15:39.07 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: read the temps? |
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| 15:39.19 | jetscreamer | if it has hwsensorsfor that |
| 15:39.29 | c5jr | thats weird cause i have hp/compaq stuff and the vendor cds are fine |
| 15:39.30 | dazjorz | jeetscreamer: I can't, it's currently locked up |
| 15:39.33 | jetscreamer | o |
| 15:39.36 | c5jr | but sounds old, so.. |
| 15:39.53 | dazjorz | c5jr: I didn't buy the thing in one piece, I kind of built it together from several different pieces |
| 15:40.07 | c5jr | its a tower? |
| 15:40.10 | dazjorz | yeah |
| 15:40.13 | c5jr | aah |
| 15:40.15 | c5jr | boo |
| 15:40.20 | c5jr | could be a million things |
| 15:40.24 | jetscreamer | you might also try the ram, take one out and see, then try the other stick |
| 15:40.29 | jetscreamer | yeah what he said |
| 15:40.35 | c5jr | yeah, ram can be a bitch |
| 15:40.37 | jetscreamer | psu.... et al |
| 15:40.38 | dazjorz | I know, it could be |
| 15:40.40 | c5jr | or a bad board... |
| 15:40.41 | dazjorz | I'll run memtest |
| 15:40.45 | c5jr | psus kill me here... |
| 15:40.56 | c5jr | thailand, land of bad electricity out of the wall |
| 15:41.00 | jetscreamer | i lose more psu's that anything else i thing |
| 15:41.02 | jetscreamer | think |
| 15:41.17 | c5jr | i swear when i plug something into the wall theres a 50:50 chance of a spark |
| 15:41.40 | \amethyst | c5jr: Is Thailand (nominally) 220-240V? |
| 15:41.43 | c5jr | yep |
| 15:41.59 | \amethyst | I get sparks in Europe too :) |
| 15:42.05 | \amethyst | when I'm in Europe |
| 15:42.08 | frankr | http://www.xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=52297&file1=52297-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=Calla what's this guy got running on the top of his screen showing data |
| 15:42.11 | c5jr | fun |
| 15:42.15 | c5jr | :) |
| 15:42.20 | dazjorz | \amethyst: same thing |
| 15:42.21 | dazjorz | :) |
| 15:42.30 | dazjorz | I almost always get a spark when I plug in my laptops' power supply |
| 15:42.31 | c5jr | the power strips are even crap here, though... |
| 15:42.33 | \amethyst | With the 120V US systems, you don't get big sparks very often |
| 15:42.43 | elodeon | how do i find out how much ram i have on the machine ? |
| 15:43.05 | c5jr | should be displayed during boot, or in the bios |
| 15:43.07 | \amethyst | elodeon: free would be a good start |
| 15:43.16 | xand | I get sparks when plugging in the 12V DC plug to my speakers :P |
| 15:43.18 | dazjorz | hmm, Compaq has a memory test tool in the BIOS |
| 15:43.20 | dazjorz | let's see what it says |
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| 15:43.29 | elodeon | \amethyst: thanks ! |
| 15:43.31 | c5jr | or /proc/meminfo if you have a shell.. |
| 15:43.34 | zenwryly | What's the best way to transfer an installation from one laptop to a new one? |
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| 15:44.14 | \amethyst | xand: My cable connection is floating about 12V away from my ground, so I get shocked when I touch both the coax and a chassis ground at the same time |
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| 15:44.34 | dazjorz | it's an AMD-K6-2, speed is 550/100 MHz |
| 15:44.36 | dazjorz | BIOS reports |
| 15:44.54 | dazjorz | 192 MB ram... |
| 15:44.58 | xand | \amethyst: is your cable box grounded? |
| 15:45.01 | c5jr | i think my entire case stays charged to some degree.. usb connections can give me shocks |
| 15:45.13 | xand | c5jr: umm... your case should be grounded |
| 15:45.18 | c5jr | yes, i know... |
| 15:45.19 | \amethyst | xand: What do you mean by "cable box" |
| 15:45.23 | c5jr | ground is a rare thing here |
| 15:45.36 | xand | \amethyst: that the cable erm cable plugs into :) |
| 15:46.02 | \amethyst | xand: the cable modem is chassis grounded. |
| 15:46.09 | valdyn | zenwryly: if you have to ask its probably a reinstall |
| 15:46.28 | xand | \amethyst: so you have 12V flowing over your cable connection? |
| 15:47.12 | \amethyst | I mean it's grounded to chassis, not to earth |
| 15:47.25 | \amethyst | so when it's plugged in, it's floating |
| 15:47.27 | xand | free electricity ;) |
| 15:47.27 | rahul | \amethyst: you're grounded! |
| 15:47.39 | rahul | when it's not plugged in it's floating |
| 15:47.44 | rahul | when the power supply isn't |
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| 15:47.50 | \amethyst | I mean, the cable |
| 15:47.59 | rahul | when the power supply is plugged in, all things are grounded. |
| 15:48.01 | hunterones | how can i make a ping test while im installing the system??? |
| 15:48.19 | c5jr | why ping, hunterones? |
| 15:48.27 | hunterones | to test the network |
| 15:48.29 | c5jr | you have a shell if you press f2 iirc |
| 15:48.33 | xand | rahul: that depends |
| 15:48.42 | c5jr | dont recall if you have ping available, you def. have wget |
| 15:48.51 | hunterones | aw, okay!! :D |
| 15:49.00 | c5jr | :) |
| 15:49.12 | frankr | How do I enable a different GTK engine like Rezlooks or Murrine? |
| 15:49.28 | hunterones | i wanted to know if i can resolve names :( |
| 15:49.34 | c5jr | ah |
| 15:49.36 | dazjorz | Btw |
| 15:49.40 | hunterones | i've already changed my resolv.conf |
| 15:49.49 | c5jr | well, try wget http://google.com or whatever |
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| 15:49.55 | c5jr | see if it can resolve google |
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| 15:50.11 | dazjorz | Is it normal that I have to plug in the keyboard in the mouse hole, press a key, then put it back in the keyboard hole, ("mouse lost synchronisation"), before I can type? |
| 15:50.19 | xand | no |
| 15:50.30 | hunterones | c5jr, no way to try to ping anywhere??? i wanted to see if my virtual machine was okay.. and try to ping my own server.. |
| 15:50.45 | valdyn | frankr: enable like 'make available' or enable as ' use now ' |
| 15:50.45 | c5jr | i don't recall if you have ping... |
| 15:50.46 | c5jr | you might |
| 15:50.59 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: you shouldn't be unplugging ps/2 ports while the box is running |
| 15:51.00 | c5jr | you don't have ssh or dig iirc |
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| 15:51.22 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: otherwise it just doesn't react to the keyboard |
| 15:51.24 | frankr | valdyn, What do you mean? |
| 15:51.57 | valdyn | frankr: i mean, if you want to make gtk 'find' your engine or if you want to use that engine that is already 'found' by gtk |
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| 15:51.58 | c5jr | you could wget anything your server or vm have up on www to test them, hunterones |
| 15:52.23 | jetscreamer | dazjorz: you can break stuff doing that... |
| 15:52.30 | jetscreamer | oops, too late? |
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| 15:52.35 | valdyn | frankr: is that really an engine anyhow? an engine needs to be compiled and should install via 'make install' |
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| 15:52.47 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: otherwise I can't do stuff -_- |
| 15:52.49 | frankr | valdyn, I don't know if it is found or anything. I just compiled Rezlooks from source and I installed Murrine a little while ago from a deb, but I can't figure out how to use them |
| 15:53.10 | glub | I've asked in #amarok about problems I'm getting reading my engines (xmms, etc) |
| 15:53.13 | jetscreamer | gtk-theme-switch? |
| 15:53.18 | glub | They said it might be a problem with kbuildsycoca -- anyone know any more? |
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| 15:53.22 | hunterones | c5jr, i see.. gonna try then... thx a lot! :) |
| 15:53.24 | jetscreamer | !info gtk-theme-switch |
| 15:53.27 | valdyn | frankr: ok - you don't use gnome though? |
| 15:53.29 | c5jr | sure :) |
| 15:53.33 | dpkg | gtk-theme-switch: (GTK+ theme switching utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.4 (sid), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 15:53.41 | frankr | valdyn, No, Xfce, is that a problem? |
| 15:53.49 | Debian-X | every time I reboot, I have to configure sound with alsaconf. Is there a way to save these settings? |
| 15:53.54 | valdyn | frankr: nope, xfce has its own theme selector, i guess |
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| 15:54.00 | valdyn | frankr: why don't you use that one? |
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| 15:54.42 | frankr | valdyn, because it isn't there |
| 15:55.00 | valdyn | frankr: the theme selector or the engine ? |
| 15:55.06 | frankr | the engine |
| 15:55.21 | valdyn | frankr: i suspect an engine alone is useful for nothing |
| 15:55.35 | valdyn | frankr: where's the theme using that engine? |
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| 15:55.36 | frankr | There's the selector which picks window decorations and another which picks UIs it is in neither |
| 15:55.42 | zenwryly | valdyn: well I've done it with netcat in the past, I was just asking if there was an established or otherwise better procedure somewhere? |
| 15:55.52 | dazjorz | Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin |
| 15:55.53 | dazjorz | :) |
| 15:56.11 | valdyn | zenwryly: oh, thing wrong with netcat, but rsync is probably more userfriendly |
| 15:56.17 | valdyn | zenwryly: oh, nothing wrong with netcat, but rsync is probably more userfriendly |
| 15:56.32 | valdyn | zenwryly: what did you copy with netcat? the whole partition? or files? |
| 15:56.32 | myren_ | socat >> netcat |
| 15:56.44 | frankr | valdyn, well I have a couple murrine themes in my ~/.themes but none for rezlooks |
| 15:56.57 | pickcoder | I need some routing method suggestions |
| 15:57.19 | valdyn | frankr: so murrine is no issue, just rezlooks is.. |
| 15:57.34 | pickcoder | I have 2 wireless links going to an AP and an ethernet card to be used as a wan port for a small group of machines on a class-C network |
| 15:57.48 | zenwryly | valdyn: files via tar piped through netcat |
| 15:57.50 | dazjorz | okay |
| 15:57.54 | dazjorz | it's busy doing the memtest :) |
| 15:57.56 | elodeon | folks, have there been polls on how many users use this or that linux distro ? |
| 15:58.08 | pickcoder | the wireless links are on the same class-C network |
| 15:58.14 | elodeon | like are there polls on which linux is the most popular ? |
| 15:58.21 | elodeon | or statistics or whatever? |
| 15:58.29 | c5jr | distrowatch.com does some stuff |
| 15:58.30 | valdyn | zenwryly: ok, i see, i'd use rsync, but if you already know your netcat script, that's probably preferable for you |
| 15:58.31 | pickcoder | I can ping the ethernet device from the other side, but I'm unable to ping devices on the WAN side |
| 15:58.33 | frankr | valdyn, well I can't get murrine to work either. No murrine themes show up in the UI selector for xfce, and if I run the murrine configurator it doesn't find the themes either; I can however go through it without a theme, and at the end it writes it to the gtkrc file but still nothing |
| 15:58.44 | elodeon | c5jr: thanks ! |
| 15:58.47 | elodeon | excellent |
| 15:58.50 | c5jr | sure :) |
| 15:58.59 | valdyn | frankr: murrine was installed from a deb? |
| 15:59.03 | zenwryly | valdyn: heh, wasn't a script, just me and a prompt :) So I'll try rsync, thanks |
| 15:59.11 | valdyn | frankr: theme's need to be recompiled for each gtk release |
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| 15:59.21 | valdyn | frankr: _engines_ need to be recompiled for each gtk release |
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| 15:59.22 | c5jr | hey zenwryly, check out unionfs if youll make the transition over a period of time |
| 15:59.48 | JonLin | gawd... why can't MOL see my modules? |
| 15:59.48 | c5jr | rather than an all at once rsync |
| 15:59.59 | JonLin | they're installed, right kernel and all.. |
| 16:00.04 | zenwryly | c5jr: ok |
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| 16:00.20 | frankr | valdyn, x_x alright so I should compile murrine from src then |
| 16:00.29 | valdyn | frankr: maybe. |
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| 16:00.57 | JimJim | hallo |
| 16:01.35 | dazjorz | AMD K6-2 550.0 MHz L1 Cache: 64k 2989MB/s L2 cache: Unknown Memory: 184 M 193 MB/s Chipset: vt8501 |
| 16:01.39 | valdyn | frankr: a line like 'include "/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc' is all gtk2 needs to use a theme, if its not working that's probably because the binary engine doesnt work with your gtk release |
| 16:01.46 | zenwryly | Is parted on the netinst images? |
| 16:02.08 | valdyn | frankr: feel free to look at that gtkrc to see how to use a specific engine |
| 16:02.35 | JimJim | kann mir wer sagen wie ich von xfree nach xorg komme ? |
| 16:02.36 | jetscreamer | zenwryly: the installers partitioner claims to do resizing... never tried it, but the capability seems to be there |
| 16:02.44 | valdyn | !de |
| 16:02.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 16:03.17 | zenwryly | jetscreamer: ah, ok good |
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| 16:03.49 | glub | anyone got any clues why amarok can't find any of my engines? |
| 16:04.13 | c0uin | hello all |
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| 16:04.43 | JonLin | c0uin: Hey |
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| 16:05.19 | c0uin | i need help to add devices on existting mdadm arrays |
| 16:05.22 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: Are the clients wired with the wireless links just to connect to the main ap ? are you using atheros ? and you want bridged ? |
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| 16:06.16 | valdyn | c0uin: that's in the manpage |
| 16:06.21 | karihre | hi I am wondering, was planning to do software raid 10, but once I have created 3 RAID 1 devices I can't select them as candidates for another RAID device (using the etch installer), is this not possible? |
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| 16:07.13 | c0uin | valdyn: all in the manpage but i dont understand :p |
| 16:08.10 | elodeon | what? red hat is not in the top ten list of linux? |
| 16:08.21 | elodeon | red hat has fell from grace or what? |
| 16:08.22 | jetscreamer | you mean you can raid raid arrays? |
| 16:08.25 | valdyn | elodeon: depends on the list and who made it |
| 16:08.28 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 16:08.35 | c0uin | i think it's with --assemble but dont understand how |
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| 16:08.38 | elodeon | valdyn: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major |
| 16:08.38 | Pobega | elodeon: Are you judging that on distrowatch? Because that site is extremely innacurate. |
| 16:08.43 | elodeon | yeah |
| 16:08.47 | elodeon | yeah I agree |
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| 16:09.03 | elodeon | i think they compute the ranking based on page hits |
| 16:09.04 | elodeon | which IS innaccurate |
| 16:09.04 | Pobega | It's all based on page hits. Since RedHat is old no one really goes to the distrowatch page, because most people know about it. |
| 16:09.05 | \amethyst | elodeon: Fedora is number 3 on distrowatch, but I suppose you meant RHEL |
| 16:09.07 | valdyn | elodeon: fedora is redhat? |
| 16:09.11 | elodeon | Pobega: agreed |
| 16:09.13 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:09.13 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:09.28 | elodeon | valdyn: ah ? i didn' tknow that |
| 16:09.34 | tarzeau | elodeon: pity redhat doesn't have something like popcon, but there's also popcon.ubuntu.com |
| 16:09.44 | karihre | jetscreamer: isn't raid 10 just a raid 0 on top of raid 1 (or the other way around), so I should be able to configure software raid 10 by doing just that, but the installer isn't making it easy.. |
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| 16:10.00 | valdyn | elodeon: rhel is to fedora what debian/unstable is to debian/stable, in a way |
| 16:10.11 | valdyn | elodeon: and rhel is very costly |
| 16:10.19 | Pobega | valdyn: Isn't it vice-versa? |
| 16:10.26 | tarzeau | Pobega: yes |
| 16:10.27 | valdyn | Pobega: yea |
| 16:10.30 | jetscreamer | karihre: i have no idea, i was just asking... i know absolutely nothing about raid |
| 16:10.39 | valdyn | elodeon: fedora is to rhel what debian/unstable is to debian/stable, in a way |
| 16:10.53 | jetscreamer | centos ftw |
| 16:10.58 | c5jr | im using fedora now :) |
| 16:10.59 | Pobega | Yeah, Fedora is directly a testing ground for packages before they go into RHEL. |
| 16:11.26 | c5jr | i try to switch up my desktop for a little while every year so as to not get too comfortable |
| 16:11.45 | h3sp4wn | rawhide is more like debian unstable I would say |
| 16:11.50 | Pobega | c5jr: You mean switching distros or switching environments? |
| 16:11.52 | valdyn | that distrowatch site is full of shit |
| 16:11.59 | valdyn | like mepis being the best for newbies |
| 16:12.02 | c5jr | distros mainly |
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| 16:12.16 | Pobega | distrowatch is bull, because most of the people that go there are new to GNU/Linux, so they visit Ubuntu/Mandriva/Fedora, of course. |
| 16:12.23 | c5jr | Yep. |
| 16:12.46 | c5jr | thats how i explain opensuse's ranking, not to knock em or anything |
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| 16:13.06 | Pobega | OpenSuSE isn't bad, but yeah, that's exactly why it has such a high rate. |
| 16:13.13 | c5jr | yepyep |
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| 16:13.36 | Pobega | Debian/Gentoo get way less hits than they have users. |
| 16:13.38 | valdyn | elodeon: rhel is hardly available to the people voting on distrowatch, ( 1500$ or somesuch ) |
| 16:13.57 | memo_ | hey how can i check the disk usage of a reposiroty =??? |
| 16:14.06 | nelf | On my inspiron 2200, the right hand shift key generates both a Shift_R and a Control_R, I've tried removing the kernel keymap usinng dpkg-reconfigure console-data, but I've reached the end of my limited knowledge... |
| 16:14.22 | nelf | It's a UK keyboard |
| 16:14.24 | \amethyst | memo_: du |
| 16:14.27 | valdyn | memo_: why do you care about the size of a debian repository? |
| 16:14.35 | Pobega | memo_: What do you mean? /var/cache/apt/archives is where all of your .debs are downloaded too, if that's what you mean. |
| 16:14.55 | karihre | so no one that knows how to create a raid 10 with the etch installer, or knows that it isn't possible? |
| 16:14.56 | memo_ | no the debian repos |
| 16:15.11 | c5jr | where repos=? |
| 16:15.19 | valdyn | karihre: you cant boot off something like that, maybe that's the reason |
| 16:15.20 | memo_ | debians |
| 16:15.22 | c5jr | hosting them? |
| 16:15.44 | memo_ | just to know the whole size |
| 16:15.53 | karihre | valdyn: not even if I have the /boot partition on a seperate nonraided partition? |
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| 16:16.08 | valdyn | karihre: then you can |
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| 16:16.15 | glub | Is there a way to force all amarok dependencies to be installed from experimental? |
| 16:16.22 | valdyn | geez |
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| 16:16.24 | glub | I think I might be getting a problem with mixing experimental/testing |
| 16:16.33 | valdyn | glub: big surprise |
| 16:16.42 | jetscreamer | glub: you're probably right |
| 16:16.45 | c5jr | experimental is just that... |
| 16:16.47 | karihre | valdyn: ok :), I can create raid 1 devices I just can't create raid 0 device on top of them, which I find strange |
| 16:17.06 | glub | amarok 1.4.5 is only in exp. though :( |
| 16:17.29 | memo_ | how much GBs are the testing reposirtory aprox ?? |
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| 16:17.49 | c5jr | memo_, do you mean to host a mirror? |
| 16:18.19 | memo_ | i saw a script before with rsync nd was thinking burn the reposiroty in dvd (s) |
| 16:18.22 | memo_ | so.. |
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| 16:19.41 | valdyn | memo_: why don't you grab the dvd iso images? |
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| 16:19.42 | karihre | I suppose I'll just end up installing the root fs where one swap partition was supposed to be and then I can configure the raid after installing |
| 16:19.42 | \amethyst | memo_: lftp has a du command |
| 16:19.45 | memo_ | how many dvds ?? |
| 16:20.00 | LabThug | I have a friend that updated samba from 3.0.12 to 3.0.24. He's now being told that ldapsam has no plug-in. How should he fix? |
| 16:20.16 | valdyn | memo_: each debian architecture and release is about 10G, some fit on 2, some need 3 dvds |
| 16:20.33 | valdyn | etch will maybe be 3 |
| 16:20.49 | valdyn | ( and that is without sources ) |
| 16:20.57 | memo_ | but that includes sources . i.. oh fine |
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| 16:21.45 | valdyn | memo_: real question is the 'why the hell would you need this' |
| 16:22.08 | memo_ | i dont have internet |
| 16:22.16 | c5jr | you are here. |
| 16:22.21 | c5jr | you have some kind of internet. |
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| 16:22.42 | valdyn | memo_: grab and burn the first dvd, that's likely more than you ever need |
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| 16:24.21 | elodeon | lol |
| 16:24.26 | elodeon | c5jr: the mojo kind |
| 16:24.36 | c5jr | yah |
| 16:25.22 | LabThug | where can I find the changelog of the samba package? |
| 16:25.40 | valdyn | LabThug: /usr/share/doc/samba/ |
| 16:26.05 | valdyn | LabThug: mind though that you need to look up changes coming with 'new upstream release' at upstream |
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| 16:29.26 | dogmeat | which player can i use to play mp3s? tried totem "plugin not available", and RhythmBox but wont play. |
| 16:29.56 | valdyn | dogmeat: you can use any of these |
| 16:29.59 | Madsy2 | xmms? :) |
| 16:30.06 | valdyn | dogmeat: but you need the codecs naturally |
| 16:30.51 | dogmeat | how can i find codecs? apt-cache search codecs? |
| 16:31.17 | valdyn | dogmeat: try 'apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad' |
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| 16:31.55 | valdyn | dogmeat: your totem could be totem-xine or totem-gstreamer |
| 16:32.00 | valdyn | dogmeat: which one is it? |
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| 16:32.25 | c0uin | i must create new array and assemble them to add a hdd on existing array ?? |
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| 16:33.21 | valdyn | c0uin: depends on your kernel version |
| 16:33.41 | valdyn | c0uin: adding more disks to a raid is probably still 'experimental' |
| 16:34.24 | c0uin | maybe lvm will be better to do thid kind of things ?? |
| 16:34.36 | valdyn | c0uin: lvm isnt a raid |
| 16:34.52 | valdyn | c0uin: lvm can hardly replace 'raid' |
| 16:35.02 | c0uin | yes but its only to assemble more hdd |
| 16:35.20 | valdyn | c0uin: what are you thinking? you can use lvm to trick a raid into growing |
| 16:35.27 | valdyn | c0uin: what are you thinking? you CANNOT use lvm to trick a raid into growing |
| 16:36.19 | valdyn | c0uin: i think i hinted you at the fact that the kernel version may be relevant |
| 16:36.24 | c0uin | humm dont really understand |
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| 16:36.41 | c0uin | 2.6.8 for my kernel |
| 16:36.44 | valdyn | c0uin: language barrier? |
| 16:36.52 | valdyn | c0uin: 2.6.8 doesnt support growing a raid like that |
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| 16:38.00 | c0uin | humm ok |
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| 16:39.05 | dogmeat | valdyn: Totem Movie Player 2.16.2, installed gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 and it's working now |
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| 16:39.18 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 16:39.25 | valdyn | dogmeat: so it is totem-gstreamer |
| 16:39.32 | dogmeat | valdyn: double checking |
| 16:39.49 | dogmeat | ii totem-gstreame |
| 16:39.50 | valdyn | dogmeat: totem is a metapackage depending on totem-gstreamer or totem-xine |
| 16:39.50 | dogmeat | yeah |
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| 16:40.24 | valdyn | dogmeat: rhythmbox uses the same backend. |
| 16:40.49 | Alumin | how can I practice building a package in a chroot? Is that what pbuilder is for? |
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| 16:41.27 | c0uin | but i create two arrays and assemble them is not good idea ?? |
| 16:41.33 | MrWup | whats svn trunk? |
| 16:41.48 | valdyn | c0uin: i have a feeling you dont understand at all what you are doing |
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| 16:42.01 | c00lfon | Anyone using lenny/sid and Opera? Today, after upgrade my Opera dont's start. ;< (operapluginwrap defunct) |
| 16:42.25 | c00lfon | I tryin' reinstall 9.20b, downgrade to 9.10. :/ |
| 16:42.28 | valdyn | c0uin: what you could do is: you could create 2 arrays and make another raid out of those 2, or use lvm for volumes spanning those 2 raids |
| 16:42.36 | Alumin | I read over the New Maintainer's Guide, but I'm concerned about package build scripts placing files wherever they like |
| 16:42.49 | CartoonCat | is it safe/advisable to use mtd to upgrade a wgt634u? |
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| 16:43.09 | c0uin | maybe if you have a tutorial for what u try to explain to me i will understand |
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| 16:43.12 | valdyn | c0uin: depending on what this is, it maybe fuck your performance or data security, or both |
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| 16:44.36 | CartoonCat | er sry wrong channel |
| 16:45.24 | holycow | hey guys |
| 16:45.31 | Alumin | so I want to make sure I know exactly where all the files are written, and the only way to be sure is chroot |
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| 16:45.43 | kingsley | How does one ensure that the permissions of a SCSI udev device file stay changed after booting? |
| 16:45.54 | holycow | i have vmware workstation running win2k3 ... and the vm occasionally spins out of control and ends up taking system load to 100% |
| 16:46.11 | valdyn | kingsley: you dont change permissions in /dev using udev but in /etc/udev/ |
| 16:46.16 | holycow | are there any tools we can run to monitor system performance variables on the debian host? |
| 16:46.27 | SlayerXP | holycow: munin's useful |
| 16:46.28 | mandingo | top? |
| 16:46.57 | holycow | top really isn't a usefull tool it gives you a snapshot, i'm just wondering if there isn't something more detailed and comprehensive |
| 16:46.59 | holycow | munin? |
| 16:47.08 | c5jr | hal |
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| 16:47.20 | c5jr | nah sry |
| 16:47.31 | valdyn | c0uin: lenny exists ? |
| 16:47.40 | valdyn | c0uin: ignore ^^^ |
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| 16:47.45 | valdyn | c00lfon: lenny exists? |
| 16:48.10 | jelly | omg, they created lenny! you ... bastards? |
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| 16:52.14 | kingsley | valdyn: OK. DO you happen to know where the proper format for setting permissions in /etc/udev/hotplug.rules is documented? |
| 16:52.32 | kingsley | s/DO/Do/ |
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| 16:53.15 | cydork | !udev rules |
| 16:53.16 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 16:53.24 | cydork | kingsley: ^ |
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| 16:55.13 | kingsley | cydork: Interesting... |
| 16:55.23 | helo | can anyone recommend a way to track changes to a debian installation using something like version control? |
| 16:55.29 | abrotman | kingsley: don showed you the same file lastn ight |
| 16:55.57 | kingsley | abrotman: Get a life. |
| 16:56.03 | cydork | !wayttd |
| 16:56.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 16:56.05 | helo | i am goign to be building a baseline image for our systems, and i want it to be reproducible as much as possible |
| 16:56.48 | cydork | helo: elaborate! |
| 16:57.28 | DeliPenguen | debian lenny? what is it? |
| 16:57.35 | Ronin | !lenny |
| 16:57.35 | DeliPenguen | !lenny |
| 16:57.35 | dpkg | methinks lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 16:57.45 | myren_ | awsome |
| 16:57.50 | DeliPenguen | what about etch? |
| 16:58.07 | cydork | DeliPenguen: it will die eventually! :P |
| 16:58.22 | myren_ | freeky etch a sketch thing |
| 16:58.57 | abrotman | kingsley: why because you ignore what people tell you? |
| 16:59.05 | abrotman | kingsley: don't get mad at me because you're lazy |
| 16:59.55 | Ronin | as will sarge as did woody and potato |
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| 17:00.10 | helo | cydork: i suppose i want to use version control to manage a debian installation... i could put the entire filesystem into svn, but then i would need some way to take the directory contents and build a working .img that i can dd onto a disk |
| 17:00.25 | cydork | helo: why not just take backups? |
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| 17:01.01 | abrotman | helo: you want version control for the whole thing? like a mainframe ? |
| 17:01.01 | helo | it is cumbersome to keep track of my changes on each backup |
| 17:01.04 | helo | abrotman: i didn't know mainframes did that, cool :) |
| 17:01.12 | myren_ | helo: there are systems like puppetmaster (& many many more) for doing network deployments of /etc |
| 17:01.58 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVMS_filesystem |
| 17:02.01 | abrotman | i think that's it |
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| 17:03.06 | myren_ | lol |
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| 17:03.17 | mfrisch | some freebsd people put cvs on / |
| 17:04.08 | myren_ | they ask do drugs |
| 17:04.08 | myren_ | drugs are bad, mmkay? |
| 17:04.18 | helo | abrotman: openvms seems pretty heavyweight... the final image doesn't need to be using version control... i just want to be able to track my changes really |
| 17:04.27 | rahul | drugs are fun! |
| 17:04.30 | rahul | and good, heh |
| 17:04.31 | abrotman | helo: so use cvs/svn |
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| 17:05.35 | abrotman | helo: you could even rig your login/logout to co/ci |
| 17:05.52 | myren_ | and then you could compile all the source on boot |
| 17:05.57 | myren_ | and kexec your new kernel |
| 17:05.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:06.06 | abrotman | myren_: that's just silly talk |
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| 17:07.23 | jelly | helo: what are you using for backup currently? I find rsync based scripts which keep the tree intact on the backup side to be useful enough |
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| 17:07.45 | volinthius | i'm having trouble upgrading samba |
| 17:07.48 | abrotman | sounded like he watned actual revision history |
| 17:07.52 | xvyzzyvx | ... |
| 17:08.08 | jelly | helo: for example rsnapshot or dirvish |
| 17:08.38 | volinthius | using deb4 and upgrading to samba_3.0.24-6 |
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| 17:08.43 | helo | i'm trying to figure out how i could take the files in svn and get them onto a disk, and then get grub installed... mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc1; mount /dev/hdc1 /media/cf; cp -a /image/root/* /media/cf/; chroot /media/cf; grub-install /dev/hdc |
| 17:09.23 | volinthius | just before giving error it warns about rlinetd not supporting operation --disable |
| 17:09.56 | helo | in a makefile or whatever... although i'd prefer if i could just build a image from it... suppose i could then dd from /dev/hdc |
| 17:10.35 | valdyn | helo: to clone an installation? |
| 17:11.06 | helo | essentially |
| 17:11.08 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 17:11.10 | helo | but not just that :) |
| 17:11.12 | jelly | helo: an image is simple to make, create an empty file, mkfs it, loopback mount, and continue from cp -a ... ;-) |
| 17:11.13 | mfrisch | helo: I only played with it but backuppc might help..it uses rsync |
| 17:11.21 | helo | jelly: what about the grub-install? |
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| 17:11.40 | jelly | helo: what about it? It needs to be done post-restore. |
| 17:11.57 | volinthius | finally! installed update-inetd which helped |
| 17:11.59 | helo | yeah i suppose |
| 17:12.01 | valdyn | helo: mondo creates an installable backup, though you will need a rather generic kernel to be able to boot this off different computers |
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| 17:12.11 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 17:12.12 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 17:12.16 | abrotman | valdyn: that ? |
| 17:12.17 | jelly | helo: have you checked out mondo/mindi? (I haven't ;-) |
| 17:12.17 | helo | the hardware is all identical luckily :) |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | abrotman: yea |
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| 17:14.20 | valdyn | helo: mondo is made for this then.. |
| 17:14.21 | jelly | abrotman: eh, cloning the package set is in no way = to the cloning of a working installation :-| |
| 17:14.21 | abrotman | he asked! |
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| 17:14.21 | helo | i'll check it out then |
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| 17:14.36 | helo | yeah, we don't use debs for our software |
| 17:14.41 | jelly | debian ghost coast to coast |
| 17:14.50 | helo | that would be a good way to clean out any cruft though |
| 17:14.58 | helo | (the clone thing) |
| 17:15.46 | jelly | I stumbled upon http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ recently, haven't check that one out either |
| 17:16.09 | mfrisch | what about ghost4linux |
| 17:16.13 | jelly | Clonezilla, based on DRBL, Partition Image, ntfsclone, and udpcast, allows you can massively clone many (40 plus!) computers simultaneously. |
| 17:16.29 | mfrisch | jelly aah cool |
| 17:16.37 | jelly | mfrisch: what is ghost4linux? |
| 17:16.50 | helo | clonezilla would be nice too... |
| 17:17.08 | jelly | if it worked as advertised, yes ;-) |
| 17:17.11 | helo | heh |
| 17:17.26 | mfrisch | jelly just a clone prog its on ultimatebootcd linux. It was supposed to replace partimage? |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | mfrisch: dunno, anything named commercial-app4linux makes me suspicious |
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| 17:19.26 | mfrisch | jelly never used it just seen it a'round. gosa and fai look promissing for this (if you could get it to work) |
| 17:21.10 | zamaliphe | can some one help me with this x error ? http://pastebin.ca/424224 |
| 17:21.35 | valdyn | zorrolero: what do yo read? |
| 17:21.36 | zamaliphe | this has hapin after doing dist-upgrade |
| 17:21.38 | mfrisch | jelly I think they call it g4linux alittle better. |
| 17:22.10 | valdyn | zorrolero: your disk is full |
| 17:22.26 | mfrisch | zamaliphe: your /tmp is fool fool |
| 17:22.47 | zamaliphe | mfrisch: so what can i do ?? |
| 17:23.12 | zamaliphe | mfrisch: i can start only the root user |
| 17:23.18 | sword | zamaliphe: free up some space? |
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| 17:23.20 | mfrisch | zamaliphe: start by running aptitude clean then do a df -h and see what you got |
| 17:25.29 | zamaliphe | mfrisch: thanks that has free up 1.9 GB :D |
| 17:25.51 | mfrisch | zamaliphe: that should do it |
| 17:26.11 | zamaliphe | mfrisch: thanks time to reboot |
| 17:28.36 | jelly | aptitude autoclean could be put in cron |
| 17:30.51 | mfrisch | I got Lenny on my box ;-) |
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| 17:31.45 | xand | orly |
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| 17:31.50 | MrWup | func_devstate.c: At top level: |
| 17:31.50 | MrWup | func_devstate.c:96: error: return type is an incomplete type |
| 17:31.50 | MrWup | ] |
| 17:31.56 | MrWup | anyone know whatr thgis might mean? |
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| 17:32.47 | abrotman | MrWup: what are you compiling ? |
| 17:33.05 | mfrisch | abrotman: come on were supposed to guess |
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| 17:33.11 | SlayerXP | MrWup: why are you compiling? |
| 17:33.11 | MrWup | abrotman, func_devstate is a function written for asterisk which allows you to set the LEDs on SIP phones |
| 17:33.24 | abrotman | there are astrisk packages for debian |
| 17:33.30 | abrotman | asterisk |
| 17:33.31 | SlayerXP | MrWup: okay, and you're debian specific question is....? |
| 17:33.34 | MrWup | so i downloaded the function, stuck it in my /funcs folder in the source and hit make |
| 17:33.35 | SlayerXP | duh |
| 17:33.35 | SlayerXP | your |
| 17:33.51 | dogmeat | trying gnome-cups-add |
| 17:33.52 | MrWup | abrotman, yeah but none of them have this func |
| 17:33.53 | abrotman | MrWup: then ask #asterisk or whatever the channel is |
| 17:33.57 | mfrisch | MrWup: how far have you gotten... and the debs are alot better than they were |
| 17:34.02 | MrWup | its not in the main source |
| 17:34.15 | MrWup | #asterisk is of no help =[ |
| 17:34.21 | abrotman | then ask the people that wrote it |
| 17:34.25 | MrWup | thought someone in here might happen to have experience with it |
| 17:34.31 | mfrisch | MrWup: #freepbx is allways good |
| 17:34.32 | SlayerXP | MrWup: why not ask in #freebsd then? |
| 17:34.40 | abrotman | yeah .. #debian is a good place to ask random compiling questions |
| 17:35.21 | mfrisch | abrotman: it is some confort that even other people think we know something |
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| 17:35.52 | furenku | my audio card is not started/loaded by debian on a fresh boot, yet when i reboot from windows xp, it is working perfectly? Any ideas on how to make debian start this audio card when booting? |
| 17:36.09 | valdyn | !tell furenku -about ask |
| 17:36.11 | abrotman | how do you know it's not working ? |
| 17:36.34 | h3sp4wn | furenku: using intel hda ? if so I think that is fixed with a newer alsa-driver or kernel |
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| 17:36.58 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
| 17:37.07 | mfrisch | furenku: It may be..adduser user audio |
| 17:37.40 | pickcoder | is there any way to setup an ethernet card to broadcast across another network interface? |
| 17:37.57 | falz | huh? |
| 17:37.58 | valdyn | pickcoder: eh? |
| 17:38.10 | falz | reword it, that made no sense. |
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| 17:38.58 | pickcoder | I have a LAN on an area that is alone. I have a wireless router/AP plugged into another segment of the same class-C network. |
| 17:39.10 | pickcoder | the debian box I've setup has a wireless nic and an ethernet nic |
| 17:39.19 | pickcoder | I want to bridge the two LANs using the wireless |
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| 17:39.48 | falz | so you're making a wireless bridge with two linux boxes? |
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| 17:39.55 | pickcoder | no |
| 17:39.56 | falz | and both ends are the same subnet? |
| 17:39.56 | myren_ | i doubt your AP supports bridging |
| 17:39.58 | pickcoder | one box |
| 17:40.00 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: You need to use wds (or the iwpriv wds 1 type client mode that madwifi has) |
| 17:40.06 | xand | depends on the AP |
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| 17:40.23 | myren_ | youll need something inside the AP's network to tunnel through |
| 17:40.36 | myren_ | not doable without two boxen |
| 17:40.37 | pickcoder | myren_: I can already access my other LAN segment |
| 17:40.39 | valdyn | pickcoder: why would you need this? |
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| 17:40.49 | valdyn | pickcoder: what's wrong with a simple gateway? |
| 17:40.51 | pickcoder | I just can't route anything to the other subnet, on the debian box side |
| 17:40.53 | falz | you need the same network on both ends, you cannot route? |
| 17:40.54 | xand | myren_: he said router/AP... |
| 17:41.17 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: For bridging you have to have 4 address headers |
| 17:41.43 | pickcoder | keep in mind that these segments are part of the same class-C network |
| 17:41.48 | valdyn | pickcoder: you really only want proper routing inside your lan, not a bridge |
| 17:41.49 | pickcoder | 255 netmask |
| 17:41.51 | myren_ | WDS would be your best bet |
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| 17:41.56 | myren_ | if your AP supports it |
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| 17:42.29 | pickcoder | valdyn: I can't get iptables to help me.. the best I've managed is a one-way NAT from the small segment across to the wireless |
| 17:42.30 | mfrisch | myren_: what ap its a deb box with a wifi card |
| 17:42.32 | falz | so you have a /24 split up to smaller segments (/26, /28 perhaps). then you don't need bridging, you just route |
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| 17:42.47 | pickcoder | that won't work.. I need to be able to get to the machines on the debian wan side |
| 17:42.51 | pickcoder | falz: basically, yes |
| 17:42.58 | pickcoder | the wireless network is the same network too |
| 17:43.00 | valdyn | pickcoder: make your 2 segments, 2 real segments, like 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x, then use your whatever box as gateway |
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| 17:43.11 | valdyn | pickcoder: ( that's the box that is connected to both networks |
| 17:43.16 | furenku | mfrisch: i'm not familiar with this adduser user audio command... should i run it from the terminal? |
| 17:43.59 | mfrisch | furenku: as root you need to add all users you want to have sound...if the card is setup correctly. |
| 17:44.03 | pickcoder | valdyn: I'm trying to get my head around this |
| 17:44.03 | alaya | !tell furenku about alsa |
| 17:44.10 | pickcoder | I actually have 2 wireless links |
| 17:44.13 | pickcoder | to make it more complicated |
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| 17:44.26 | pickcoder | I wanted to use one for inbound and one for outbound |
| 17:44.32 | alaya | furenku: check the checklist and one-liner and make sure everything is set up correctly |
| 17:44.35 | valdyn | pickcoder: maybe it already are 2 segments, and your are just missing the gateway entry in your routing tables on each box and enabling /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 17:44.50 | pickcoder | valdyn: let me check ip_forward |
| 17:45.02 | pickcoder | the segments are the same.. 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 17:45.50 | valdyn | pickcoder: i'd consider bridging for this useless added complexity |
| 17:45.50 | pickcoder | ip_forward is "0" |
| 17:45.58 | alaya | pickcoder: why are the segments using the same address ranges? as valdyn said you use separate address ranges and use routing to link them |
| 17:46.06 | furenku | thank you very much, everybody... i hope it'll help... i'll let you know |
| 17:46.27 | pickcoder | alaya: there are network printers on the other side and I need to be able to print to them from the other segment |
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| 17:46.40 | alaya | pickcoder: routing |
| 17:46.51 | pickcoder | alaya: that's what I'm trying to understand |
| 17:47.03 | pickcoder | I've done routing before, but not with a wireless network in the middle |
| 17:47.17 | alaya | pickcoder: learn to use the power of the route command :-) |
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| 17:47.22 | xand | I should think that's a seperate issue |
| 17:47.33 | valdyn | pickcoder: in the middle? you really have 3 segments? |
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| 17:47.43 | pickcoder | I've played with brctl bridges and they don't help |
| 17:47.48 | pickcoder | valdyn: yes |
| 17:47.53 | CartoonCat | sry to interupt but if both of pickcoder's networks are 192.168.0.0/24 then routing isnt his only issue here |
| 17:47.56 | pickcoder | sort of |
| 17:48.11 | furenku | alaya: how do i check these checklist and one-liner i don't know what they are |
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| 17:48.32 | alaya | furenku: type /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 17:48.32 | mfrisch | !alsa oneliner |
| 17:48.32 | pickcoder | the network is just the two PCI cards I have in the debian box |
| 17:48.42 | pickcoder | ~the wireless network |
| 17:48.55 | pickcoder | I can make them 192.168.1 |
| 17:49.01 | pickcoder | I can't change the other two segments though |
| 17:49.07 | pickcoder | they need to be 192.168.0 |
| 17:49.07 | valdyn | pickcoder: mayebe you should draw your layout for us |
| 17:49.22 | pickcoder | heh |
| 17:49.24 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, well that makes for issues, why must they stay that? |
| 17:49.25 | valdyn | pickcoder: that means that you need a bridge |
| 17:49.33 | CartoonCat | yea a better map would help |
| 17:49.46 | pickcoder | valdyn: I tried using brctl |
| 17:49.47 | alaya | time to break out dia |
| 17:49.59 | pickcoder | I even changed the segment on the WAN side to 192.168.1 |
| 17:50.00 | myren_ | dia rules |
| 17:50.01 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, are you trying to bridge the 2 networks or just have box A use both networks? |
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| 17:50.24 | pickcoder | I want to use the only box I have as a WAN router |
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| 17:50.32 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: really you should use wds (bridging mode) |
| 17:50.33 | CartoonCat | ok, Why? |
| 17:50.39 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: ok |
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| 17:50.50 | blackba55 | does anyone know how do i open a terminal in vnc ? |
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| 17:51.05 | valdyn | blackba55: how to WHAT? |
| 17:51.16 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, i mean, Why do you want to use it this way? What features are you looking for from it? |
| 17:51.18 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: I would try that if I had 2 APs |
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| 17:51.31 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: What brand of card is in the debian box ? |
| 17:51.31 | pickcoder | CartoonCat: I need a transparent bridge |
| 17:51.40 | mfrisch | blackba: create a ~/.xsession file with your console choice |
| 17:51.42 | pickcoder | Linksys WMP300N |
| 17:51.49 | pickcoder | having to use the ndiswrapper to get it to work |
| 17:52.03 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, your SOL for WDS with that setup |
| 17:52.13 | valdyn | vnc uses ~/.xsession ? |
| 17:52.15 | valdyn | news! |
| 17:52.40 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: Is it broadcom or atheros chipset ? |
| 17:52.43 | valdyn | blackba55: which vnc server are you using? |
| 17:52.48 | mfrisch | valdyn: yeah its old school grid without something |
| 17:52.55 | pickcoder | broadcom |
| 17:53.03 | alaya | blind leading blind |
| 17:53.18 | valdyn | mfrisch: mine uses ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 17:53.20 | alaya | maybe find out why he can't ssh first |
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| 17:53.39 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: the reason that I'm doing this is that Linksys wireless-N APs don't do bridging anyway |
| 17:53.50 | pickcoder | they don't even make a repeater for them yet |
| 17:54.00 | alaya | before altering a config file that has no relevance to the app in question |
| 17:54.10 | mfrisch | valdyn: really I haven't used it in a long time..is that the vnc way? |
| 17:54.14 | blackba55 | vnc4server |
| 17:54.34 | pickcoder | I was hoping to use Debian as a bridging server |
| 17:54.40 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: wl.o can do wds - but not to ndiswrapper |
| 17:55.30 | valdyn | mfrisch: not exactly, there's vnc servers that just make your 'real' X Desktop accessible from remote, that would be your standard x session, so also ~/.xsession, then there's vnc servers that create an X server, that is _only_ accessible via vnc, that would be ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 17:55.35 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: WRT300N ? v1 or v2 ? it could be atheros actually |
| 17:55.37 | CartoonCat | ah the 300n is in the wip list for openwrt, h3sp4wn any idea how function it is? |
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| 17:55.45 | pickcoder | WMP300N |
| 17:55.53 | pickcoder | mini-PCI |
| 17:56.05 | CartoonCat | ooops my bad |
| 17:56.25 | mfrisch | valdyn: like the kde/gnome "remote desktop" function they have now? |
| 17:56.27 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: I mean the accesspoint |
| 17:56.33 | valdyn | mfrisch: yea |
| 17:56.45 | valdyn | mfrisch: yea, at leaset for gnome, i dont know what kde uses |
| 17:56.53 | mfrisch | vnc |
| 17:57.19 | pickcoder | I'm using the WRSV4400N |
| 17:57.36 | pickcoder | and I've considered trying openvpn or openswan with it |
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| 17:57.47 | pickcoder | but I don't want to go that route until I _have_ to |
| 17:58.34 | mfrisch | valdyn: I just use ssh these days mingX on 'doz +putty I'm set anywhere...except maybe kinkos |
| 17:58.35 | pickcoder | it won't help me with the bridging aspect anyway |
| 17:58.57 | valdyn | pickcoder: what's holding you back from using different subnetworks? |
| 17:59.13 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, your not going to get true bridging with the hardware you have |
| 17:59.29 | pickcoder | valdyn: from what I've tried it hasn't helped |
| 17:59.29 | valdyn | blackba55: what do you get when logging into your vnc server? |
| 17:59.55 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, lets get a better idea of your network and what exactly you need from it |
| 18:00.07 | valdyn | pickcoder: then you did it wrong, putting each physical subnet into an ip subnet changes everything |
| 18:00.11 | pickcoder | [a] (wireless) [debian] [b] |
| 18:00.24 | blackba55 | valdyn: i used to get a terminal but i closed it .. and now i don't get it anymore |
| 18:00.46 | valdyn | blackba55: your vncserver doesnt quit when you log out |
| 18:00.54 | valdyn | blackba55: are you able of restarting that server? |
| 18:00.58 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, ok is A fully wireless or is it a wired with a wap on it? |
| 18:01.03 | blackba55 | yeah |
| 18:01.04 | pickcoder | valdyn: I've never routed multiple subnets, so this is new to me |
| 18:01.11 | pickcoder | A is a lan |
| 18:01.13 | pickcoder | B is a lan |
| 18:01.14 | valdyn | blackba55: the terminal should be back there when you restart it |
| 18:01.22 | pickcoder | wireless is an AP and 2 cards in debian |
| 18:01.34 | pickcoder | B is hooked up to one ethernet card |
| 18:01.56 | valdyn | pickcoder: and A is hooked to ? |
| 18:02.01 | pickcoder | the AP |
| 18:02.13 | CartoonCat | ok and lan a and b are 2 seperate phys networks? |
| 18:02.18 | pickcoder | correct |
| 18:02.25 | CartoonCat | how far apart? |
| 18:02.27 | pickcoder | right now they are all switched |
| 18:02.31 | alaya | pickcoder: 2 cards in debian doesn't make sense. 2 cards on the same box? |
| 18:02.54 | pickcoder | CartoonCat: short enough for wireless-N to get a good signal |
| 18:03.03 | pickcoder | ~180MB for each card |
| 18:03.17 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, my N network goes for 2500feet heh |
| 18:03.46 | pickcoder | CartoonCat: we have concrete walls and 20 foot racks.. the second LAN is in the warehouse |
| 18:04.18 | pickcoder | regardless, I have two cards because I was hoping to split the traffic between the cards |
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| 18:04.26 | pickcoder | inbound from the lan on one and outbound on the other |
| 18:06.21 | zenwryly | What would I use to write an ISO to disc? I thought xcdroast, but I can't figure out how to get it to write an ISO to disc. |
| 18:06.21 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, why do that? your still looking at a signle AP (even if it is a N) |
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| 18:06.22 | CartoonCat | and the only time ive had split traffic work like that is to have 2 boxes each with 2 cards |
| 18:06.22 | valdyn | pickcoder: once each box has its ip on the subnet, there's not alot more to do, 1 is ) route add <other subnet> gw <debian box> and the other is enableing ip_forward on that debian box. Naturally the debian box has an ip in each subnet |
| 18:06.23 | pickcoder | ip_foward needs to have a 1 in it, right? |
| 18:06.23 | valdyn | pickcoder: yea |
| 18:06.23 | CartoonCat | yessir |
| 18:06.23 | pickcoder | it's disabled by default |
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| 18:06.23 | pickcoder | lemme try a few things |
| 18:06.23 | valdyn | pickcoder: that's in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:06.24 | pickcoder | I may be able to get brctl to work |
| 18:06.25 | Vladi | hi, anyone know how to send ctrl + alt + del to a cyclades session? |
| 18:06.29 | pickcoder | since forwarding is off |
| 18:07.21 | blackba55 | it worked .. thx valdyn |
| 18:07.31 | valdyn | pickcoder: im not clear if your 'ap' really is a router or a switch or both |
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| 18:07.54 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, do the 2 sites share the smae electrical? the homplug2.0 gear works great heh |
| 18:08.13 | valdyn | pickcoder: so if you currently have ( but shouldnt anyway ) your routers ethernet ports on a different subnet than its wireless 'ports' |
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| 18:09.05 | CartoonCat | valdyn, he has 2 networks, A also has a wireless AP on it, B has his deb box with wireless pci cards |
| 18:09.10 | pickcoder | valdyn: both |
| 18:10.27 | valdyn | CartoonCat: so the wireless infrastructure still needs to be crossed with a bridge.. |
| 18:10.54 | CartoonCat | valdyn, a bridge or a router |
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| 18:12.01 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, are these networks in the same building or 2 diff ones? and if they are diff, are they on the same site? |
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| 18:14.27 | iamaricky | hi all, I'm trying to access a partition on a scsi drive from the installation shell |
| 18:14.44 | iamaricky | ive tried mount -t ufs /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part3 /t |
| 18:15.08 | valdyn | iamaricky: /t ? |
| 18:15.13 | iamaricky | but i get a no such devie error |
| 18:15.35 | valdyn | iamaricky: why do you think that that node is the right device? |
| 18:15.46 | c00lfon | valdyn, 18:47 #debian: < valdyn> c00lfon: lenny exists? |
| 18:15.48 | valdyn | iamaricky: try 'cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:15.49 | iamaricky | i made a folder called t to mount the partition |
| 18:15.50 | valdyn | iamaricky: try 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 18:15.54 | c00lfon | valdyn, my issue says Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid \n \l ;) |
| 18:16.08 | c00lfon | (/etc/issue) |
| 18:17.08 | pickcoder | same building |
| 18:17.25 | pickcoder | I can't even ping the nic from my laptop on side B |
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| 18:17.28 | pickcoder | gah |
| 18:17.36 | CartoonCat | then why not pull some cat5? |
| 18:17.52 | pickcoder | that's what's there |
| 18:17.55 | iamaricky | ok did cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:17.55 | pickcoder | but it's too noisy |
| 18:18.02 | iamaricky | results is |
| 18:18.05 | iamaricky | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc |
| 18:18.05 | iamaricky | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 |
| 18:18.05 | iamaricky | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2 |
| 18:18.05 | iamaricky | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part3 |
| 18:18.05 | iamaricky | /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part8 |
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| 18:18.45 | pickcoder | I can ping my ethernet card from side A but not directly from B |
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| 18:18.45 | pickcoder | this is wierd |
| 18:18.45 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, then track down the asshat that installed it and make him do it right, and/or find the source of the noise |
| 18:19.00 | pickcoder | I ran it and I wasn't funded well enough to do it properly |
| 18:19.03 | iamaricky | well there are only 2 devices |
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| 18:19.09 | iamaricky | the other is th cd rom |
| 18:19.18 | pickcoder | if all else fails we're running LC out there |
| 18:19.34 | pickcoder | I don't want to waste this wireless hardawre though |
| 18:19.43 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, your in the same boat now, your not going ot get it working in anyway that will remain decent |
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| 18:20.22 | CartoonCat | well thats a nice thought but grab some STP and it should be fine |
| 18:20.38 | pickcoder | we're replacing the backbone here soon |
| 18:20.48 | pickcoder | all departments are getting 1GB LC drops |
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| 18:21.11 | pickcoder | I wanted to avoid running 400ft of fiber if I could get this wireless-N working |
| 18:21.14 | dkr | "your" does not equal "you're" or "you are" |
| 18:21.43 | CartoonCat | <sigh> i know i have crappy grammar |
| 18:22.48 | CartoonCat | wait, your eth run is 400ft? |
| 18:23.02 | pickcoder | by the time it goes in to the ceiling rafters it will be |
| 18:23.11 | iamaricky | the table comes up |
| 18:23.32 | CartoonCat | you need a switch in the middle some place, fix that distance right up |
| 18:23.33 | iamaricky | the partitions all show up |
| 18:23.48 | \amethyst | CartoonCat: he said fiber |
| 18:23.49 | iamaricky | can't mount any of them |
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| 18:24.51 | CartoonCat | \amethyst, yes but he also said he HAD cat5 there now |
| 18:24.58 | pickcoder | the fiber will have to be run a lot farther to support it |
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| 18:25.50 | CartoonCat | pickcoder, how big is this network? it really seams like it should be able to afford to do it right from the getgo |
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| 18:26.29 | pickcoder | CartoonCat: we're doing it right this time, don't worry |
| 18:26.53 | pickcoder | the original wiring was spec'd to 3-wire serial with possibly 10base-T upgrade |
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| 18:27.12 | CartoonCat | so its a 20 year old install? |
| 18:27.19 | pickcoder | so most of the wiring is UTP with 2 4-pair jacks |
| 18:27.28 | pickcoder | err .. 2 2-pair jacks |
| 18:27.33 | pickcoder | 10 year old |
| 18:27.41 | pickcoder | almost 11 |
| 18:28.02 | CartoonCat | sounds like it is cat3 then |
| 18:28.13 | pickcoder | the patch panel runs are stripped about 8-10" |
| 18:28.21 | pickcoder | and the panel itself is not even cat rated |
| 18:28.31 | pickcoder | it's cat5 |
| 18:28.37 | pickcoder | our phone wiring is cat3 |
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| 18:32.17 | CartoonCat | sounds like a fun setup. to get this going asap id snag any openwrt compatible device and use it as a bridge or router |
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| 18:34.56 | concept10 | Anyone know if MATLAB is avail on Linux? |
| 18:35.14 | Gathond | concept10: it its |
| 18:35.20 | karsten | concept10: Ask matlab. Yes it is. Not free. |
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| 18:35.30 | joey-- | hello |
| 18:35.46 | Gathond | http://www.mathworks.com/ I'm sure they are willing to sell you a copy |
| 18:35.59 | concept10 | Gathond, thanks. Ive been on the site for awhile and ive only seen Mac, Windows and Solaris versions |
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| 18:36.33 | Gathond | http://www.mathworks.com/products/matlab/requirements.html |
| 18:36.55 | joey-- | any one want to be a part of a free project ? |
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| 18:37.44 | wols_ | is it a debian project? |
| 18:38.51 | concept10 | Gathond, thanks, I must be blind today |
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| 18:46.22 | praecox | hey guys |
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| 18:46.38 | praecox | what is prefered partitioning for newly created dedicated server? |
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| 18:46.48 | abrotman | depends on the type of server |
| 18:46.49 | praecox | it will server one, huge website. |
| 18:46.58 | praecox | based on PostgreSQL. |
| 18:47.19 | praecox | probably only one-two users. |
| 18:47.35 | praecox | and entire server concentrated around hosted website. |
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| 18:47.56 | xand | how do you unmount things mounted with sshfs? |
| 18:48.07 | xand | I can umount as root, but that's silly as I can mount it as a user |
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| 18:48.39 | xand | oh... fusermount -u |
| 18:48.41 | abrotman | pgsql stores in /var/ ... the default document root fro apache is /var/ .. logs go in /var/ |
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| 18:49.02 | praecox | abrotman, true. |
| 18:49.12 | abrotman | however .. you can change any of those |
| 18:49.23 | abrotman | and that's a lot of R/W from one partition/drive(s) |
| 18:49.24 | praecox | abrotman, /boot, /tmp, /, /var? |
| 18:49.36 | abrotman | i've never used a /boot/ that i can recall |
| 18:50.23 | praecox | abrotman, so what would you suggest? |
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| 18:51.13 | abrotman | praecox: i have no idea on the hardware or anything like that .. it's hard for me to say without that knowledge |
| 18:51.44 | praecox | abrotman, PowerEdge 1950, SCSI in RAID-1. |
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| 18:54.48 | jahshua | hello, can anyone help me out with hot change my login to a console login instead of using gdm? i recall it has something to do with changing my runlevels but i cant remember how i did it before.. |
| 18:57.54 | bmalee | jahshua, 'update-rc.d -f gdm remove', I think. |
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| 19:01.30 | abrotman | praecox: i can't really give you a hard plan .. but apparently you'll need a lot in /var/ .. you could also use LVM |
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| 19:01.42 | abrotman | praecox: then partitioning isn't as big of a deal |
| 19:01.48 | jahshua | thank you bmalee. |
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| 19:09.08 | dserban | say par-example... i have corrupt floppy disks... is there any "way" for me to try and recover this with what linux provides as far as block device tools? .... I don't know how badly corrupted these disks really are, but when I pop 'em into the floppy drive, it can't recognize the "partition" table... |
| 19:10.06 | dalias | floppy disks dont have partition tables |
| 19:11.28 | dserban | well that's what it says when I try to mount them... |
| 19:11.35 | dserban | one of the six... mounts fine |
| 19:11.38 | dserban | the other 5 don't |
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| 19:13.09 | dserban | therefore I'm sure there's an issue, I can successfully dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/home/user/floppy.img bs=512 them... and I get a file... but I can't check it (due to lack of knowledge)... I know that mount -o loop -t fat floppy.img /mnt doesn't do much for me. |
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| 19:22.23 | eisen | there is also dd_rescue if dd fails |
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| 19:25.56 | x_link | Anybody using the terminal Tilda? |
| 19:26.21 | mfrisch | ~ that? |
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| 19:26.47 | x_link | mfrisch: ?? |
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| 19:27.35 | mfrisch | x_link: the french like thingy? whats a tilda? which language? |
| 19:27.48 | dondelelcaro | tilde |
| 19:28.05 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: I thunk that. |
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| 19:28.52 | x_link | No it's called Tilda..... apt-get install tilda and you will seee. |
| 19:28.53 | x_link | see. |
| 19:29.21 | garklein_13 | x_link: it any good? |
| 19:29.31 | x_link | Just got it.... |
| 19:29.36 | mfrisch | what is it? |
| 19:29.40 | x_link | It's just a empty terminal window. |
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| 19:30.04 | mfrisch | x_link: like fb support or something? |
| 19:30.09 | x_link | But it's pretty comfortable, you just just hit F1 and the window will pop-up. Then you can just write your commands or whatever etv. |
| 19:30.14 | x_link | mfrisch: I really don't know... |
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| 19:30.24 | xenux | hello |
| 19:30.26 | x_link | <--- I'm a fresh newbie. So I really don't know much. |
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| 19:30.45 | roe__ | can any one help me sort folders by "date of newest content" |
| 19:30.54 | xenux | is stupid of renam root to xxxx user ? |
| 19:30.59 | xenux | rename |
| 19:31.14 | mfrisch | is stupid |
| 19:31.30 | xenux | linux no work after ? |
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| 19:32.07 | xenux | ok ok i test this |
| 19:32.09 | bushblows | xenux, why would you want to |
| 19:32.21 | xenux | for hj |
| 19:32.27 | xenux | for have more secure |
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| 19:32.34 | mfrisch | xenux: just change permissions if a need arises don't do it for kicks |
| 19:32.53 | x_link | mfrisch: |
| 19:33.00 | x_link | "tilda - first person shooter console likeness terminal" |
| 19:33.14 | myren_ | ttyquake |
| 19:33.22 | myren_ | the first and original |
| 19:33.28 | mfrisch | x_link: oh a x-console I think there is one like quake too. |
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| 19:33.45 | myren_ | ah the good ole days of streaming CTF quake to my schools computer labs via mother fucking ssh |
| 19:33.51 | xenux | have a clone of root is good ?? |
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| 19:34.18 | myren_ | i forget how much high schoool rocked |
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| 19:35.36 | mfrisch | myren_: high school rocked? |
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| 19:36.00 | myren_ | did for me. |
| 19:36.33 | myren_ | senior year i had class from 7:40 am to 10:38 am and that was my day |
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| 19:36.56 | Mazingaro | is it out? |
| 19:36.59 | mfrisch | myren_: I did too..but my teacher thought different ;-) |
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| 19:40.59 | oooooo | ANY1 PLAY BET ON FOOTBAL PLZ PM ME??? |
| 19:41.00 | rgusso-ltsp-br | hi |
| 19:41.10 | abrotman | oooooo: go away |
| 19:41.19 | xenux | bye |
| 19:41.24 | nomasteryoda | ops please |
| 19:41.27 | rgusso-ltsp-br | when i run esd i got this: ALSA lib confmisc.c:672:(snd_func_card_driver) cannot find card '0'; |
| 19:41.42 | rgusso-ltsp-br | and a lot more! ;) |
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| 19:41.59 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:42.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 19:42.02 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 19:42.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 19:46.59 | sword | Isn't it a bit mean to cat urandom? |
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| 19:47.07 | abrotman | gets the job done |
| 19:47.27 | ma3x | why when I write something in openoffice writer and then I save it as rtf or doc (compatible with xp) and then I go to a cyber caffe to print it out and it's not compatible (there are a lot of tabs, it's not well formatted). I tried opening saving it to differents formats and I opened it in word98,2k,xp ... |
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| 19:48.07 | azeem | ma3x: why don't you save it as PDF? |
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| 19:48.34 | abrotman | ow |
| 19:48.38 | ma3x | azeem: openoffice doesn't save as pdf |
| 19:48.43 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:49.05 | mfrisch | save as a doc almost no problems |
| 19:49.21 | HostilePenguin | is etch much more cpu demanding than sarge? |
| 19:49.34 | azeem | HostilePenguin: for what tasks? |
| 19:49.38 | valdyn | ma3x: that's quite a claim considering anything in linux prints to postscript |
| 19:49.45 | Hoxzer_ | NP: Johny Cash - Hurt |
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| 19:50.12 | mfrisch | valdyn: thats happened to me with ooo all the time. |
| 19:50.24 | HostilePenguin | im just going from sarge to etch on a 366 pentium and i was wordering if performance will be degraded |
| 19:50.36 | mfrisch | valdyn: I don't even open a work doc with openoffice |
| 19:50.44 | valdyn | mfrisch: quite a claim to say that oo.org cant save to pdf |
| 19:50.49 | ma3x | valdyn: a claim? a good claim? what means 'prints to postscript' ? also, is that good or bad? |
| 19:51.11 | myren_ | HostilePenguin: most packages have not changed radically enough to alter noticable performance |
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| 19:51.20 | mfrisch | valdyn: it can and on linux it will probally print fine...haven't tried |
| 19:51.25 | myren_ | newer kernels might give you a very small perfroamance boost |
| 19:51.26 | valdyn | ma3x: any tool that can work with pdf can work with ps, any linux program that can print can output ps |
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| 19:51.54 | valdyn | ma3x: and oo.org can export to pdf even explicitely |
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| 19:52.13 | \amethyst | Just because something can work with pdf doesn't mean it can work with ps |
| 19:52.13 | gortba | Hi. I just installed Knoppix 5.1.1 from the install dvd. But now I can't get on the internet. The internet worked fine while I was using it as a live CD. Does anyone have a solution to this? |
| 19:52.27 | cydork | gortba: ask #knoppix |
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| 19:54.50 | xand | MINE |
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| 19:56.26 | xand | :O |
| 19:56.43 | epsilon | ehm, there isn't any cap and small letter difference in domain and subdomain, right? |
| 19:57.35 | sword | epsilon: dns isn't case sensitive, i don't think |
| 19:58.41 | HostilePenguin | ty |
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| 20:00.31 | praecox | sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb |
| 20:00.38 | cydork | .quit |
| 20:00.47 | praecox | my newly installed Debian Etch AMD64 hangs on this message. |
| 20:00.56 | praecox | any ideas? |
| 20:01.09 | mfrisch | praecox: it hangs? |
| 20:01.16 | xjkx | i uninstalled kde because i had no much space left on hd, now fluxbox has no graphical software to connect my dial connection :> is there a software i can install besides kde again?kde had kppp, i need a graphical software like this not command linners with needing to edit config files and crazy things |
| 20:01.29 | crazy_penguin | Good night to all1 |
| 20:01.31 | praecox | mfrisch, well, at least nothing happens after this message. |
| 20:01.43 | praecox | mfrisch, I can write on console and do ctrl-alt-del. |
| 20:02.17 | gortba | cydork: No one is ever there. Anyway--I just found out that Knoppix wasn't really meant to be hard drive installed--thats why I'm having so much problems. |
| 20:02.18 | mfrisch | praecox: what's the disk? it installed everything right? |
| 20:02.20 | praecox | mfrisch, yes. |
| 20:02.28 | praecox | mfrisch, no errors during installation process. |
| 20:02.30 | mfrisch | whats the disk |
| 20:02.47 | praecox | mfrisch, 2 x 73 GB SAS HDD 10krpm. |
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| 20:03.15 | praecox | mfrisch, Dell PERC 5/i. |
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| 20:03.34 | mfrisch | praecox: how did you set them up? |
| 20:03.48 | praecox | mfrisch, it's hardware RAID-1. |
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| 20:03.57 | praecox | mfrisch, installer detected them properly. |
| 20:04.04 | sid | What is good software(free) that 5 of my friends can use to all conference call each other? |
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| 20:04.16 | \amethyst | sid: ekiga ? |
| 20:04.16 | praecox | sid, skype. |
| 20:04.23 | \amethyst | skype isn't free |
| 20:04.23 | sid | praecox: skype isn't free |
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| 20:04.54 | mfrisch | ekiga! kphone! kiax? |
| 20:04.59 | sid | \amethyst: Can Ekiga do multiple people at once? |
| 20:05.42 | \amethyst | sid: apparently it needs an MCU |
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| 20:06.06 | mfrisch | sid there is a service that ekiga put out that may have conferance calls...fwd does and is also free |
| 20:06.19 | \amethyst | sid: jabber server + jabber-muc might work too |
| 20:06.21 | swimmerino88 | hello!how can i create an iso from a directory??? |
| 20:06.34 | \amethyst | nm, no video there |
| 20:06.37 | \amethyst | or sound |
| 20:07.06 | mfrisch | \amethyst: some pbx's now connect through jabber |
| 20:07.12 | \amethyst | oh, cool |
| 20:07.19 | praecox | mfrisch, any ideas? |
| 20:08.14 | mfrisch | some hardware raids need a mod to boot... |
| 20:08.35 | \amethyst | swimmerino88: do you need long filenames for Windows, Unix, or both? |
| 20:08.57 | swimmerino88 | \amethyst:both |
| 20:09.19 | mfrisch | \amethyst: check out http://www.elastix.org/ |
| 20:09.36 | praecox | mfrisch, do you think switching from 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.18 during installation might change anything? |
| 20:09.53 | praecox | mfrisch, I am not sure if I can change it now... |
| 20:10.06 | \amethyst | swimmerino88: genisoimage -rJ -o newimage.iso directory/ |
| 20:10.08 | mfrisch | praecox: doubtfull. |
| 20:10.21 | praecox | mfrisch, so what can I do now? |
| 20:10.36 | \amethyst | swimmerino88: if you don't have genisoimage, try mkisofs with the same arguments |
| 20:10.45 | mfrisch | praecox: google your chipset for raid see how it works in Linux |
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| 20:11.21 | swimmerino88 | \amethyst: so i have my directory called swimmerino...i have to do mkisofs -rJ -o swimmerino.iso swimmerino/ ? |
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| 20:12.03 | \amethyst | swimmerino88: yeah |
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| 20:13.27 | \amethyst | swimmerino88: -r says to generate rock-ridge records with owner root and sane permissions; -J says to generate Joliet records |
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| 20:14.59 | swimmerino88 | \amethyst: ok i did that...now i need the last thing...how to mount it...now i have the iso called swimmerino.iso |
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| 20:15.14 | abrotman | -o loop |
| 20:15.33 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 20:15.34 | dpkg | from memory, mount iso is mount -o loop -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/iso |
| 20:15.47 | swimmerino88 | ok |
| 20:16.42 | wols_ | a i915chipset with a sata disk needs libata driver? any others? |
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| 20:17.54 | wols_ | abrotman: aren't you the intel user? |
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| 20:18.06 | abrotman | wols_: for video ... |
| 20:18.24 | abrotman | there are better sata controllers with OSS drivers |
| 20:18.26 | wols_ | intel has integrated video. so you always get their ICH stuff too :) |
| 20:18.55 | abrotman | my laptop at home is IDE .. newer stuff here is scsi or SAS |
| 20:19.11 | praecox | mfrisch, it's PowerEdge 1950. |
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| 20:19.18 | praecox | mfrisch, I bet their hardware is supported. |
| 20:19.20 | abrotman | praecox: you're stll asking ? |
| 20:19.25 | cokeslut | hello |
| 20:19.29 | coredata | sup? |
| 20:19.45 | abrotman | praecox: you need to find out which controller it is |
| 20:19.46 | praecox | abrotman, yes. |
| 20:19.46 | abrotman | !dell |
| 20:19.47 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ or the worst company you could ever do business with, or crap, or http://www.domsch.com/linux/ or http://linux.dell.com/ |
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| 20:19.55 | abrotman | praecox: i thought you were still asking how to partition :) |
| 20:20.03 | praecox | abrotman, oh, no. |
| 20:20.07 | abrotman | praecox: is it CERC or PERC ? |
| 20:20.13 | praecox | abrotman, PERC. |
| 20:20.23 | praecox | abrotman, now I've got much bigger problem. |
| 20:20.27 | abrotman | i see |
| 20:20.27 | praecox | abrotman, I mean the real one. |
| 20:20.27 | praecox | ;) |
| 20:20.40 | EmergeTW | is there a way I can print a page on a printer on the network that supports postscript without having to install the printer? |
| 20:20.49 | abrotman | hangs for howl ong ? |
| 20:21.00 | gortba | exit |
| 20:21.01 | asg | abrotman: is that some type of tea? |
| 20:21.06 | abrotman | no more tea! |
| 20:21.07 | praecox | abrotman, it just hangs. I mean I waited 5 minutes. |
| 20:21.12 | asg | abrotman: more tea |
| 20:21.13 | praecox | abrotman, and nothing happened. |
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| 20:21.31 | Reiser_x | Hi |
| 20:21.34 | abrotman | asg: it tried to kill me! |
| 20:21.40 | xjkx | can i make a .deb of the already installed kdelibs and k3b? |
| 20:21.44 | abrotman | praecox: yu installed etch ? |
| 20:21.53 | abrotman | xjkx: i think there's a repack command |
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| 20:21.56 | praecox | abrotman, yes. |
| 20:22.10 | praecox | abrotman, netinstall. |
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| 20:22.14 | asg | abrotman: that's 'cause you had some southern iced-tea, not a good thing. |
| 20:22.20 | xjkx | abrotman, seems there is not :/ |
| 20:22.59 | abrotman | asg: it was not |
| 20:23.08 | asg | abrotman: texas tea? |
| 20:23.12 | abrotman | xjkx: don't make me go look for it |
| 20:23.14 | Reiser_x | abrotman: hi |
| 20:23.15 | praecox | abrotman, I could simply compile my own kernel with appropriate hardware list supported. |
| 20:23.16 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:23.24 | praecox | abrotman, but first I need to boot there. :) |
| 20:23.32 | Reiser_x | what scanners is good for linux? |
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| 20:23.57 | abrotman | praecox: tried hitting ctrl-c ? |
| 20:24.46 | praecox | damn, now I've got ever bigger problem, this god damn Debian ejected my installation CD. ;) |
| 20:25.03 | GhostlyDeath | Frequency scaling works in KDE but not in GNOME, could the library that KDE use be why/? |
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| 20:26.08 | praecox | abrotman, yes. didn't help either. |
| 20:26.54 | wols_ | I have a machine that is ...57.2 which wants its gateway ...57.1. However I put a debian box between client and gateway to do nat and monitor all traffic |
| 20:27.04 | abrotman | wols_: bridge |
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| 20:28.42 | abrotman | praecox: is there a rescue mode ? |
| 20:28.52 | abrotman | praecox: or try turnning of acpi or apic |
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| 20:29.39 | zimnyx | Do you advise to use hotplug or udev (kernel 2.6.18) ? |
| 20:30.07 | helo | i thought hotplug used udev though... |
| 20:30.09 | mfrisch | zimnyx: try hotplug real hard?! |
| 20:30.34 | abrotman | zimnyx: udev .. hotplug is going away |
| 20:30.47 | zimnyx | helo: no, can;t install both. |
| 20:30.50 | zimnyx | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:30.50 | helo | oh |
| 20:31.26 | praecox | abrotman, I could upload virtual flash image via DRAC5. |
| 20:31.31 | helo | i know i'm using udev, but /etc/network/interfaces has "allow-hotplug" entries... |
| 20:31.43 | praecox | abrotman, have you got any clue where can I get any small bootable image? |
| 20:31.43 | helo | are teh allow-hotplug entries going to go away with hotplug? |
| 20:32.00 | mfrisch | helo: thats different |
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| 20:32.03 | helo | k |
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| 20:32.24 | abrotman | praecox: just try the noapic or the acpi=off |
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| 20:32.46 | praecox | abrotman, how? where? |
| 20:32.58 | abrotman | at the grub line ? |
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| 20:33.43 | praecox | abrotman, l |
| 20:33.48 | praecox | abrotman, oh, silly me. |
| 20:34.10 | abrotman | indeedily doo :) |
| 20:34.21 | praecox | Check root= bootarg cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 20:34.30 | GhostlyDeath | Woot |
| 20:34.38 | GhostlyDeath | I got frequency scaling! |
| 20:34.40 | GhostlyDeath | yay |
| 20:34.42 | praecox | or missing modules, devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev |
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| 20:35.06 | praecox | ALERT! /dev/sdb1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell! |
| 20:35.37 | abrotman | ack! |
| 20:35.46 | GhostlyDeath | My processot always runs at 1Ghz |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | should it really be sdb1 ? |
| 20:36.43 | praecox | abrotman, I don't think so. got no clue why Debian marked it this way. |
| 20:36.50 | praecox | abrotman, I believe it should be sda1. |
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| 20:37.07 | abrotman | you believe .. there's the problem |
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| 20:37.54 | EvilDin | hi i get: W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 20:37.54 | EvilDin | B5D0C804ADB11277 |
| 20:37.59 | EvilDin | what can i do |
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| 20:38.24 | sword | EvilDin: read the topic of the channel? |
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| 20:39.15 | tvynr | Does anyone know of a good daemonizable BitTorrent client? I have a software package I'd like to distribute using BitTorrent and I need to run something on my headless server. I tried daemonizing Azureus, but even with --ui=console it wants SWT. |
| 20:39.16 | coolzone | Hi all. I have been given a task at work to scan a lot of books containing old company documentation. I am using something called scantopdf on windows, but would like to do the job on my debian box. Does anyone know of a similar application which can scan several papers into a single pdf file? |
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| 20:39.50 | tvynr | coolzone: ImageMagick will allow you to create a PDF from multiple image files. If you gimme a sec I'll refresh myself on the syntax. |
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| 20:40.08 | praecox | abrotman, what else this could have been if not sda1..? |
| 20:40.18 | coolzone | tvynr, sounds cool |
| 20:40.24 | EvilDin | am, still, i have problem i used etch mirrors and make once update, not upgrade, now i change my mind and put back sarge mirros, but now on updating get this, any idea why? |
| 20:40.33 | abrotman | praecox: nfc .. i didn't do the install .. you did :) |
| 20:40.44 | abrotman | !apt-key ADB11277 |
| 20:40.44 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys ADB11277 ; gpg --export ADB11277 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 20:40.47 | praecox | abrotman, ;) |
| 20:42.28 | dondelelcaro | it's just convert foo.bleh foo.pdf; but there are better tools to use than imagemagick. |
| 20:42.36 | praecox | abrotman, damn. just changed to sda1 in grub and it booted. |
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| 20:42.42 | abrotman | yay! |
| 20:42.44 | praecox | abrotman, damn Debian installer. |
| 20:42.51 | abrotman | PEBKAC! |
| 20:42.52 | helo | what are some good bug-tracking/release management systems? |
| 20:42.59 | helo | the best one, preferably :) |
| 20:43.02 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
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| 20:43.07 | h3sp4wn | helo: trac ? |
| 20:43.14 | mfrisch | abrotman: damn I thought you were going to have to change it remotely |
| 20:43.15 | helo | trac... ahh i was searching for traq :) |
| 20:44.01 | dondelelcaro | coolzone: I'd actually suggest using djvu instead of pdf, but whatever works. |
| 20:44.03 | tvynr | coolzone: I think what you want is: convert -adjoin page1.png page2.png ... pagen.png scan.pdf |
| 20:44.43 | coolzone | Thanks both, but I just found something called gscan2pdf, thats just what I need. |
| 20:44.53 | tvynr | coolzone: hehe; 'kay |
| 20:45.03 | EvilDin | abrotman: so i paste that line ? |
| 20:45.08 | coolzone | :-) thanks |
| 20:45.13 | xand | mmm paste |
| 20:45.21 | tvynr | coolzone: I was thinking of an environment in which you scripted a command-line scanning program with convert so you could do it in batch. |
| 20:45.50 | EvilDin | do i just copy paste that line, and key will be added? |
| 20:46.15 | Braindead | EvilDin: no, you've got to read that line aloud. twice |
| 20:47.16 | mfrisch | you can use a mic if you want |
| 20:47.44 | coolzone | tvynr, I am testing the program now, and its quite easy, it works just like the windows program :-) but thanks anyway!! |
| 20:47.45 | Braindead | tvynr: I'm suggesting rtorrent. lean mean and configurable |
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| 20:48.18 | tvynr | Braindead: Thanks for the suggestion. Is it also daemonizable? |
| 20:48.47 | Braindead | tvynr: it's curses based. just put it in a screen |
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| 20:49.26 | tvynr | Braindead: Hrm. See, I was excited about daemonizing Azureus because there are pretty solid web interfaces for controlling it. Theoretically. |
| 20:49.28 | Braindead | tvynr: or consider the official bittorrent client or bittornado, they're born to be headless |
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| 20:50.05 | level | plees dont kick my |
| 20:50.14 | mfrisch | tvynr: there's always mldonkey. |
| 20:50.19 | level | i'm knopeeks_ |
| 20:50.31 | level | plees help |
| 20:50.49 | level | sedup DEBIAN |
| 20:51.00 | ma3x | what's this: ** (abiword:7084): WARNING **: IPP request failed with status 1280 (when I type in abiword, it swallows some letters |
| 20:51.26 | level | debian config ? |
| 20:51.39 | xand | level: what? |
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| 20:52.03 | xand | level: calm down, and ask a sensible question |
| 20:52.12 | level | lan config for debian |
| 20:52.13 | level | HELP !!! |
| 20:52.13 | level | ethernet config for debian linux |
| 20:52.20 | xand | calm down. |
| 20:52.27 | xand | !interfaces |
| 20:52.28 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 20:53.08 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 20:53.08 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 20:53.39 | level | calm command not found |
| 20:53.43 | level | i'm login knoppix for test |
| 20:53.55 | level | debian the best |
| 20:54.34 | level | my DVB "skystar2" config ? |
| 20:54.37 | mfrisch | haha |
| 20:54.46 | level | soree |
| 20:54.47 | Braindead | zOMG /o\ |
| 20:54.54 | xand | abrotman: help him :( |
| 20:55.01 | jahshua | hey when i edit my /etc/motd it gets rewritten on reboot, how can i stop this? |
| 20:55.07 | level | :( |
| 20:55.12 | mfrisch | xand: coward |
| 20:55.43 | valdyn | jahshua: motd is generated from /etc/issue, among other files |
| 20:56.05 | mfrisch | level: dvb skystar a satellite ISP? |
| 20:56.17 | valdyn | jahshua: see /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 20:56.20 | level | telstar 12 |
| 20:56.30 | jahshua | ok, thank you. |
| 20:56.39 | level | /etc/motd is clear |
| 20:56.44 | mfrisch | level: and it is working in ubuntu? |
| 20:57.39 | level | /etc/issue is clear |
| 20:57.57 | valdyn | level: clear? |
| 20:58.12 | level | ? |
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| 20:58.19 | mfrisch | level: and it is working in ubuntu? |
| 20:58.48 | level | command ? for test dvb ? |
| 20:58.50 | xand | level: what are you talking about now? |
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| 20:59.04 | abrotman | xand: ? |
| 20:59.07 | level | ubuntu ! yes |
| 20:59.08 | mfrisch | level answer my ? |
| 20:59.09 | abrotman | level: /join #knoppix |
| 20:59.19 | abrotman | level: /join #ubuntu |
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| 20:59.22 | xand | HELP ME |
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| 20:59.47 | level | join# knoppix ? |
| 20:59.53 | markybob | uh-huh. let's all drop everything and help the guy with no patience who screams in caps. right |
| 20:59.57 | mfrisch | level do lsmod on the ubuntu machine see what dvb mod it loads...then look at /etc/network/interfaces to see how its set up |
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| 21:00.05 | ErikRose | It doesn't look like /etc/init.d/networking is run on a default Etch install. What am I missing? |
| 21:00.19 | abrotman | /etc/rc2.d/networking ? |
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| 21:00.27 | mfrisch | markybob: damn it I don't think he's from around here ;-) |
| 21:00.33 | ErikRose | abrotman: Hehe, yes, I am missing that. But I didn't remove it. |
| 21:00.43 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 21:00.54 | level | mandriva IRC.CHAT ? |
| 21:01.07 | abrotman | level: what is your native language? |
| 21:01.21 | level | russ |
| 21:01.24 | abrotman | !ru |
| 21:01.25 | dpkg | hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 21:01.29 | level | yes |
| 21:01.34 | praecox | GPG error |
| 21:01.43 | praecox | The following signature were invalid |
| 21:01.50 | praecox | how can I fix it? |
| 21:01.54 | abrotman | praecox: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:01.57 | ErikRose | Should init.d/networking normally be run, or is that stuff taken care of from elsewhere? Everything seems to work fine, and it's not linked to rc2 on a default install. |
| 21:02.01 | praecox | never had this problem before. |
| 21:02.17 | praecox | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 21:02.19 | ErikRose | Actually... |
| 21:02.20 | mfrisch | praecox: /topic |
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| 21:02.24 | abrotman | praecox: apt-get update |
| 21:02.31 | ErikRose | ...I now see it just configures some options; it doesn't start networking altogether. |
| 21:02.39 | praecox | abrotman, that's what apt-get update gives me. |
| 21:02.40 | ErikRose | I thought it did something it didn't. |
| 21:02.42 | ErikRose | Sorry. |
| 21:02.50 | abrotman | praecox: do it again! |
| 21:02.54 | praecox | abrotman, I did! |
| 21:02.57 | abrotman | praecox: or use direct apt-key commands |
| 21:02.59 | praecox | abrotman, and again. |
| 21:03.03 | level | senks |
| 21:03.12 | praecox | abrotman, and still nothing. |
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| 21:03.18 | level | ??????? ??? ?????? ! |
| 21:03.18 | abrotman | praecox: which key ? |
| 21:03.25 | mfrisch | praecox: /topic |
| 21:03.30 | markybob | abrotman: you should stop trying. it's not worth it |
| 21:03.37 | abrotman | markybob: which one ? |
| 21:03.37 | level | ???? ?? ??? ? ?? ???????! ???????? ??????? |
| 21:03.44 | odla | level wtf? |
| 21:03.44 | ErikRose | Never mind; it does bring the network interfaces up. Now I'm just confused. |
| 21:03.54 | praecox | mfrisch, all right, let me give a shot. |
| 21:03.55 | xand | level: stop that |
| 21:04.04 | level | ok |
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| 21:04.13 | markybob | abrotman: all of them. grab a beer, a good movie and relax tonight before #debian drives you insane |
| 21:04.21 | level | senks |
| 21:04.28 | level | exit |
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| 21:04.46 | odla | markybob abrotman IS #debian...w/o abrotman #debian sinks to an abyss |
| 21:04.48 | praecox | abrotman, A70DAF536070D3A1. |
| 21:05.00 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 21:05.01 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 21:05.18 | HowlingMad | i thought you had to be insane to use debian ;) |
| 21:05.20 | alaya | ah such a memorable factoid! |
| 21:05.22 | psyco-obiwan | where do i get the cramfs patch for a kernel.org 2.4.26 kernel ? |
| 21:05.31 | mfrisch | HowlingMad: it helps? ;-) |
| 21:05.32 | odla | HowlingMad no that's ubuntu |
| 21:05.46 | praecox | abrotman, is it a new feature? I never had this problem before. :) |
| 21:05.49 | HowlingMad | lol |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | praecox: new with etch |
| 21:06.06 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 21:06.06 | dpkg | Dozens of Penii shower from the heavens, pummelling the inhabitants of #debian, leaving half-conscious debian users and wet spots everywhere. |
| 21:06.14 | HowlingMad | i have ubuntu pn me laptop lol |
| 21:06.19 | praecox | abrotman, well, got another instance of etch on my other PowerEdge 1900 and no problems with this at all. |
| 21:07.04 | odla | is penii really the plural form of penis? |
| 21:07.07 | CartoonCat | anyone have a idea why firefox would not be able to resolve sites (but can get to them via IP) while the system can resolve fine (ping, trace route, etc) |
| 21:07.21 | praecox | abrotman, anyway, that's all for today. big thanks to you for all your help. |
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| 21:08.10 | abrotman | praecox: ah ok |
| 21:08.43 | odla | when/where is debconf this year? |
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| 21:09.25 | mfrisch | odla: debconf sounds fun |
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| 21:10.21 | mfrisch | odla: Sunday 17 to Saturday 23 June 2007 scotland. |
| 21:10.29 | odla | ah |
| 21:10.34 | dury | hi there channel :) |
| 21:11.06 | dury | anyone from down-under |
| 21:11.16 | streuner | several, just ask |
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| 21:11.48 | streuner | Do you want a specific 'down-under' answer? ;-) |
| 21:11.51 | xand | odla: no, penes or penises is. |
| 21:11.52 | mfrisch | dury: not from there but have had problems with the certca.org site. |
| 21:12.01 | odla | xand lol |
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| 21:12.20 | mfrisch | streuner: you didn't say mate |
| 21:12.30 | rahul | odla: penii is the plural of penix |
| 21:12.41 | odla | what is penix? |
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| 21:12.46 | odla | !penix |
| 21:12.47 | dpkg | somebody said penix was a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood Country, or the shiznit, or a ... |
| 21:12.50 | rahul | heh |
| 21:12.57 | rahul | GAMP |
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| 21:13.07 | dury | just to know what the differences between brisbane broncos and Queensland Reds |
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| 21:13.58 | streuner | dury: most of us aren't care much, just ask a debian related question and we might are able to help ;-) |
| 21:14.17 | dury | are they from the city -Brisbane |
| 21:14.24 | CartoonCat | "The price is wrong Bob" |
| 21:14.41 | frankr | Hey guys I have a whole lot of tvrips in avi format formatted like this: Show Name - SEE - Ep Name.avi and I want to make a script to reformat them.. how would I go about doing this |
| 21:14.44 | cafuego_ | dury: different sport i imagine |
| 21:14.47 | mfrisch | bob retired :-) |
| 21:14.49 | Braindead | frankr: man rename |
| 21:15.03 | cafuego_ | one is rugby, the other one a different boring sport |
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| 21:16.22 | frankr | Braindead, I dont know perl :( |
| 21:16.27 | VImtermute | later |
| 21:16.49 | dury | cafuego_: I thought both are a rugby teams |
| 21:16.55 | Braindead | frankr: you don't have to. you gotta know regexps, that's a whole different story |
| 21:17.10 | cafuego_ | dury: *shrug* no idea |
| 21:17.19 | dury | ok |
| 21:17.20 | kingsley | frankr: You may be interested in the utility named "ffmpeg". It might be incorporated into a script along the lines of... for file in *.avi ; do ffmpeg <options> ; done |
| 21:18.01 | xand | i think he just wants to rename them |
| 21:18.27 | dury | cafuego_: you are in Australia, where abouts? |
| 21:18.34 | cafuego_ | dury: Melbourne |
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| 21:21.17 | helo | frankr: for x in *.avi; do showname=`echo ${x}|cut -d'-' -f1`; see=`echo ${x}|cut -d'-' -f2`; epname=`echo ${x}|cut -d'-' -f3|cut -d'.' -f1`; cp "${x}" "${see} - ${epname} - ${showname}.avi"; done; or something hahaha |
| 21:21.46 | helo | that probably doesn't work heh |
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| 21:22.53 | frankr | helo, SEE is really something like 103 for season 1 episode 3, etc |
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| 21:22.59 | helo | has some whitespace problems... |
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| 21:23.14 | helo | right, that's fine |
| 21:23.35 | helo | you could trim the vars before the cp |
| 21:23.36 | frankr | and that has to be parsed too - I wanna format it as Show Name [S-EE] Episode Name.ext |
| 21:23.41 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.46 | helo | ahh, well thats not too hard either |
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| 21:24.33 | abrotman | !spf |
| 21:24.34 | dpkg | hmm... spf is the Sender Policy Framework (formerly Sender Permitted From), at http://spf.pobox.com/ |
| 21:25.02 | goodshit | is it easy to install? |
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| 21:25.56 | dkr | goodshit: aptitude install spfmilter |
| 21:26.13 | dkr | and amke the appropriate DNS entries for your domains as outlined at the above url |
| 21:27.02 | frankr | helo, alright I understand how to use cut now but what would I use to split 104 into 1 and 04 |
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| 21:27.18 | abrotman | cut ? |
| 21:27.25 | Alam_Debian | how do I use find command to find files older then a date/time? |
| 21:27.33 | abrotman | man find is pretty clear on that |
| 21:27.44 | abrotman | also .. there are three times |
| 21:27.47 | abrotman | a/c/m |
| 21:27.58 | Alam_Debian | I see -anewer and etc.. but not older |
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| 21:29.00 | frankr | abrotman, the command line thing - like cut -d'-' -f1 if you hade xx-xxx-xxxx it would print xx :P |
| 21:29.14 | frankr | but I dont know how to split 304 into 3 and 04 |
| 21:29.41 | jcl | awk |
| 21:29.43 | dkr | frankr: echo 304 | cut -c1 to just get the 3 |
| 21:29.47 | abrotman | awk is another way |
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| 21:30.01 | Alam_Debian | ahh, -n |
| 21:31.09 | helo | frankr: for x in *.avi; do showname=`echo ${x}|cut -d'-' -f1|tr -d ' '`; see=`echo ${x}|cut -d'-' -f2|tr -d ' '`; season=`echo ${see}|cut -b 1|tr -d ' '`; epnum=`echo ${see}|cut -b 2-3`; epname=`echo ${x}|cut -d'-' -f3|cut -d'.' -f1`; cp "${x}" "${showname} [${season}-${epnum}] ${epname}.avi"; done; |
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| 21:32.22 | helo | oh don't sue that :) |
| 21:32.31 | helo | that kills all whitespace, not just leading/trailing |
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| 21:32.50 | zimnyx | I use udev + hal. When i plug my zen creative mp3 player, in gnome new window appear "camera detected, do you want to import photos". I've commented out /etc/udev/libgphoto2.rules and reboot but window still appears. What's more i can't see that /proc/bus/usb/... files permissions were changed by "chmod 0660; chown root:plugdev". Something goes wrong, am i correct? |
| 21:32.54 | helo | i'll let you mess with the whitespace junk :P |
| 21:32.58 | helo | i better get back to work |
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| 21:34.05 | mfrisch | zimnyx: it wanted to automatically wanted to mount it thats all..you could have told it not to. |
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| 21:34.27 | Reiser_x | abrotman: i have problems to configure my WIFI |
| 21:34.36 | abrotman | HI! |
| 21:34.46 | Reiser_x | i follow this guide http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html |
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| 21:35.00 | zimnyx | mfrisch: mount what? it's usb device, non-mountable |
| 21:35.07 | Reiser_x | but when i try to open a page. i can`t |
| 21:35.21 | mfrisch | zimnyx: why not? |
| 21:36.31 | zimnyx | mfrisch: because it doesn't communicate like removable media. |
| 21:36.41 | Reiser_x | when i use ifup wlan0 appear "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
| 21:36.54 | abrotman | ifconfig -a .. do you see it ? |
| 21:36.54 | Reiser_x | Bind socket to interface: No such device |
| 21:36.56 | zimnyx | mfrisch: it can, but i haven't enabled removable disk in my zen player. |
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| 21:37.24 | mfrisch | zimnyx: all I know is that was a automounter dialogue nothing more. |
| 21:37.26 | Reiser_x | i see eth0 and lo (loopback) |
| 21:37.40 | Reiser_x | there is no wlan0 |
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| 21:37.46 | abrotman | then it's not loaded or it's not the right driver |
| 21:38.28 | frankr | helo, I modified it a little, it works great - but I need to replace a _ character in it with : how do I do that? |
| 21:38.30 | zimnyx | mfrisch: udev was supposed to change file permissions, but it didn;t |
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| 21:44.48 | Reiser_x | how can i update my kernel 2.4.27.2-386 ? |
| 21:45.10 | bragon | with apt-get install :p |
| 21:45.27 | madd_matt | I noticed "rpm" in aptitude just now -- Can RPM live nicely on a debian system!? |
| 21:45.44 | Reiser_x | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm with this? |
| 21:45.48 | bragon | nicely not, but you can alien |
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| 21:48.45 | Mordekay | Hi there :) I have a problem that is maybe not related to dabian, but i hope you can help me too. I have 4 cs 1.6 servers running on a linux root server with debian 3.1 sarge. Sometimes one of the server freezes. Is there a way to check autmatically if the server freezes again and to kill the prozess? It is running in a screen, so the screen can start the server itself again? |
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| 21:54.53 | c00lfon | Hi, "Pin-Priority: 1001" provide me a proficient downgrade from Lenny/Sid to Etch? |
| 21:55.06 | pickcoder | Mordekay: if the server freezes, then I'm sure that screen is going to freeze too. The real question is what is making Sarge lock up? |
| 21:55.41 | Mordekay | pickcoder if i kill the main prozess of the server (not the screen) the server restarts after the usual 10 seconds |
| 21:55.56 | Mordekay | the screen is still alive |
| 21:56.22 | pickcoder | I have no clue what you're talking about |
| 21:56.33 | Mordekay | ok,let me explain |
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| 21:56.49 | Mordekay | the server is started with a extra tool: hlds_run |
| 21:56.53 | mfrisch | Mordekay: are you the bittorrent guy? |
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| 21:57.24 | Mordekay | this only starts the server itself and uns in background, if the server crashes the hlds_run notices this and starts the server again |
| 21:57.50 | Mordekay | but it cannot kill a freezed server, so the prozess is still running and the hlds_run tool cannot start a new server |
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| 21:58.18 | Mordekay | so my question is: is there a way to check a prozess if it is freezed and to automatically kill it |
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| 21:58.32 | Mordekay | mfrisch nope, sorry |
| 21:58.56 | mfrisch | Mordekay: ok then whats the server? |
| 21:59.11 | Mordekay | mfrisch sorry? |
| 21:59.21 | Mordekay | it is a gameserver, counterstrike 1.6 |
| 21:59.27 | pickcoder | Mordekay: frozen could mean a lot of states |
| 21:59.28 | mfrisch | aah |
| 21:59.55 | mfrisch | Mordekay: its console based? |
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| 22:00.04 | pickcoder | if the service doesn't report a heartbeat then it's tough to monitor it externally |
| 22:00.05 | Mordekay | as i don'T know that much about linux i cannot explain it better |
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| 22:00.12 | Mordekay | mfrisch yes |
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| 22:01.06 | mfrisch | Mordekay: this is a crazy idea but, install rungetty then edit inittab to run server? |
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| 22:01.20 | Mordekay | rungetty? |
| 22:01.27 | Mordekay | <--- total linux noob |
| 22:02.36 | mfrisch | Mordekay: usually people use it for different logins and I use it to run alsamixer and others on a tty. it restarts |
| 22:02.38 | pickcoder | mfrisch: if the process has a memory hole in it and goes into an infinite run state then how is init going to help? |
| 22:03.03 | mfrisch | pickcoder: its not it will make the system crash into the floor |
| 22:03.36 | EvilDin | hi, is there any command to get info about which version of linux is installed on server ? |
| 22:03.45 | pickcoder | Mordekay: you need to monitor the processes manually and see what's happening |
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| 22:04.39 | Mordekay | pickcoder actually i jsut watch if a server freezed again and i kill it so the server starts itself again :( |
| 22:05.05 | Mordekay | there is a debug command, but it seems the demug doesn't work if the prozess just freezes |
| 22:05.14 | Mordekay | *debug |
| 22:05.47 | pickcoder | Mordekay: you can tell hlds to send it into gdb, is that what you mean? |
| 22:06.06 | Mordekay | if you say me what gdb is i can tell you yes or no :D |
| 22:06.14 | pickcoder | gdb is gdb |
| 22:06.17 | Mordekay | -.- |
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| 22:06.34 | pickcoder | it's a binary debugger |
| 22:06.55 | Mordekay | how can i do this? |
| 22:07.01 | pickcoder | I saw notes about it on google |
| 22:07.39 | pickcoder | doesn't it produce logs? |
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| 22:08.28 | pickcoder | from what I just read "-debug" on the command line will produce debugging logs |
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| 22:08.37 | ma3x | why are burnt cds a lot better than pressed cds? |
| 22:08.37 | Mordekay | yes, it creates 2MB big debug files if it crashes, but not if the prozess freezes |
| 22:09.47 | pickcoder | Mordekay: have you reviewed the system logs to see if hlds_run is causing problems? |
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| 22:10.04 | mfrisch | Mordekay: all this hassle for a gaming server? |
| 22:10.12 | Mordekay | for 4 servers |
| 22:10.27 | Mordekay | and if they freeze every few hours it doesn'T make fun to run them |
| 22:10.34 | mfrisch | Mordekay: thats dedi...crazy man |
| 22:10.38 | Mordekay | pickcoder where can i find logs about this? |
| 22:11.30 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.49 | pickcoder | syslog, debug, messages,... |
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| 22:15.29 | frankr | hey how can I make a script to change a certain character in a whole bunch of files to a different one? |
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| 22:17.57 | bush^class | can debian use ubuntu repositories? |
| 22:18.04 | odla | bush^class: no |
| 22:18.10 | bush^class | ok, thanks |
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| 22:18.49 | odla | bush^class: no problem |
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| 22:19.36 | Mordekay | pickcoder i cannot find any error related to hlds in the logs |
| 22:22.22 | pickcoder | Mordekay: look at sysfence |
| 22:22.27 | jahshua | hello, can someone please help me to turn off the 'You have mail' message that i get when i log in? |
| 22:22.55 | Mordekay | sysfence? |
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| 22:23.12 | Ronin | jahshua: what you have mail message? from what? |
| 22:23.44 | wols_ | Ronin: when you log in |
| 22:23.45 | jahshua | when i log in and the motd comes up and below the motd it tells me 'you have mail' |
| 22:23.45 | wols_ | it tells you |
| 22:24.00 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 22:24.07 | Ronin | old and forgetful |
| 22:24.13 | jahshua | i have tried a few things and i cant get it to turn off, its driving me crazy. ;/ |
| 22:24.13 | Ronin | and blind apparently too |
| 22:24.19 | cartesian1984 | Where is dpkg-reconfigure? In what package? My recently-debootstraped minimal system doesn't appear to have it. |
| 22:24.23 | Ronin | jahshua: well read your mail then :) |
| 22:24.41 | jahshua | Ronin: i dont ever want to see that message again. :P |
| 22:24.52 | jahshua | its daily mail and its annoying. |
| 22:25.03 | jahshua | i dont even want the mail, heh. |
| 22:25.11 | jahshua | <- noob |
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| 22:26.02 | cartesian1984 | Is it debconf? |
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| 22:28.22 | klam | need these gone 2 dell xps m1710 350 for one 500 for 2, 1 apple macbook black for 600 MSN Solutions1981@hotmail.com or aim: solutions1981 |
| 22:28.37 | Ronin | so give them to a charity |
| 22:28.42 | odla | is opera available in marillat's repo? |
| 22:28.52 | alakdan | Is there a way in linux to undelete files in an sd card? |
| 22:28.55 | wintix | !ops klam is spamming |
| 22:28.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wintix complains about: klam is spamming |
| 22:29.00 | Ronin | beat me to in wintix |
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| 22:29.42 | rahul | he's spamming half the rest of the network, too |
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| 22:29.47 | ozatomic | Hey i jsut recently bought a box from a datacenter, install apache,mysql etc etc but when i try to access the address via a web browser it times out? |
| 22:29.58 | Fr0zen_ | ^ ozatomic, dns issues? |
| 22:29.59 | RichiH | klam: hi mike |
| 22:30.07 | Ronin | go get em RichiH :) |
| 22:30.12 | RichiH | klam: i am surprised they did not catch you, yet |
| 22:30.17 | Fr0zen_ | try it directly with ip http://xx.xxx.xxx.xx |
| 22:30.34 | RichiH | klam: i hear they know where you live, though |
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| 22:31.18 | ozatomic | Fr0zen_: still times out |
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| 22:31.38 | Fr0zen_ | odd, check thru httpd.conf |
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| 22:31.51 | Fr0zen_ | does it do it with ftp/ssh too? |
| 22:32.12 | ozatomic | well i can ssh |
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| 22:32.34 | ozatomic | and i can ftp |
| 22:32.40 | ozatomic | its just accessing via http |
| 22:32.42 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: and there i was, trying to strike up a conversation |
| 22:32.54 | Fr0zen_ | is httpd running? |
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| 22:32.59 | Fr0zen_ | try netstat -4 |
| 22:33.06 | ozatomic | www-data 3678 0.0 0.1 22500 4448 ? S 02:36 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 22:33.09 | Fr0zen_ | err sockstat, i forget if debian has it |
| 22:33.18 | Fr0zen_ | ps -aux | grep http* |
| 22:33.42 | ozatomic | yeah it doesn't run as http it runs as apache |
| 22:33.49 | Fr0zen_ | hmmm |
| 22:33.51 | ozatomic | www-data 3682 0.0 0.1 22500 4448 ? S 02:36 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 22:33.55 | Fr0zen_ | try restarting it, and check httpd.conf |
| 22:33.57 | ozatomic | or does that mean tis not starting properly |
| 22:34.04 | Fr0zen_ | try sockstat |
| 22:34.11 | Fr0zen_ | see if it's listening on 80 |
| 22:34.17 | Fr0zen_ | i've had this issue before on centos |
| 22:34.32 | Fr0zen_ | i remember it wasn't starting at all or it was starting and stopping due to config errors |
| 22:34.39 | Ronin | RichiH: conversation? kline and be done with him i say, bwhahahah |
| 22:34.40 | ozatomic | don't ahve sockstat |
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| 22:35.00 | RichiH | Ronin: well, i would like to see laptop mike to stop doing it, at some point |
| 22:35.16 | RichiH | i don't know why the people in vancouver did not hunt him down, yet |
| 22:35.33 | RichiH | they actually took photos of him in a cybercafe, iirc |
| 22:35.42 | orzel | hello. I often have this problem than if i install some new daemon (postgresql for example), it starts at next reboot. I've noticed i'm in runlevel 2, so i removed /etc/rc2.d/*postgresql*. But it still starts on reboot. Do you know why ? |
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| 22:36.01 | orzel | i dont want those to start, i might in some future. |
| 22:36.15 | RichiH | personally, i would just follow him until i found out where he lives and tip off the police, trying to get them to come to the cybercafe when he is doing a deal, again |
| 22:36.30 | ozatomic | Archive:/etc/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 22:36.30 | ozatomic | Starting web server (apache2).... |
| 22:36.30 | ozatomic | Archive:/etc/apache2# |
| 22:36.32 | Fr0zen_ | ozatomic, what about netstat |
| 22:36.32 | ozatomic | starts fine |
| 22:36.51 | Fr0zen_ | RichH, what happend feel me in |
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| 22:37.03 | Fr0zen_ | someone stole a laptop? |
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| 22:37.33 | pickcoder | orzel: 2 isn't the only multi-user runtime |
| 22:37.47 | pickcoder | !runlevels |
| 22:37.47 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 22:37.49 | drako | Fr0zen_, here? |
| 22:37.52 | drako | on irc |
| 22:37.57 | drako | :/ |
| 22:37.59 | drako | damnit |
| 22:38.05 | ozatomic | how do i get a lsit fo ports listening on? |
| 22:38.07 | drako | how far the internet can go? |
| 22:38.19 | Fr0zen_ | drako, im not sure. |
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| 22:38.23 | dkr | ozatomic: netstat -ln |
| 22:38.24 | drako | ozatomic, netstats -na |
| 22:38.25 | Fr0zen_ | i just saw them talking about, was curious |
| 22:38.50 | drako | ozatomic, maybe you just want netstat -na --inet |
| 22:39.10 | ozatomic | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 22:39.16 | Fr0zen_ | hmm |
| 22:39.21 | Fr0zen_ | check httpd.conf |
| 22:39.22 | ozatomic | tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN |
| 22:39.33 | Fr0zen_ | /etc/httpd.conf i believe |
| 22:39.40 | Fr0zen_ | 443, is ssl i believe. |
| 22:39.42 | Fr0zen_ | https |
| 22:39.45 | ozatomic | yeah |
| 22:39.50 | ozatomic | i got a vhost for 80 and 443 |
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| 22:40.04 | ozatomic | All these configs work fine on other machines |
| 22:40.26 | Fr0zen_ | very odd |
| 22:40.45 | Fr0zen_ | wish i could help more. It sounds like you know what you're doing. I would go thru and check the config just to be 100% sure. |
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| 22:41.35 | ozatomic | ok thx anyway |
| 22:41.38 | pickcoder | ozatomic: can you ssh to the box using your domain? |
| 22:41.41 | ozatomic | yep |
| 22:41.45 | ozatomic | domain and ip |
| 22:41.49 | pickcoder | are you doing namevhosts? |
| 22:42.09 | ozatomic | NameVirtualHost *:443 |
| 22:42.09 | ozatomic | <VirtualHost *:443> |
| 22:42.13 | ndee | hello there, it seems like my cronjobs aren't working anymore. I can't find a log-file or something similar in /var/log |
| 22:42.35 | pickcoder | ozatomic: is your network ipv6? |
| 22:43.08 | ozatomic | its how they set it up |
| 22:43.10 | orzel | pickcoder: i'm not used to debian, but i'm used to other distribution. On other distribution, if the system starts in runlevel 2, it will only start those services in rc2.d. I don't understand why postgresql (and others) are still started while not in rc2.d |
| 22:43.13 | ozatomic | i've jsut setup apache/php/mysql etc |
| 22:43.31 | ozatomic | SSH works, FTP Works |
| 22:43.36 | ozatomic | jsut not 80 adn 443 |
| 22:43.38 | Fr0zen_ | ozatomic, do you have the NameVirtualHost directive set? |
| 22:43.39 | dkr | ozatomic: look for Listen or Bind directive, the config is saying to listen on ipv6 when your system is likely ipv4. not sure why debian makes ipv6 default fro apache |
| 22:43.55 | pickcoder | ozatomic: do they say tcp instead of tcp6 in netstat? |
| 22:44.31 | Fr0zen_ | you need to set NameVirtualHost in order to use vhosts. |
| 22:44.31 | ozatomic | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 22:44.31 | ozatomic | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN |
| 22:44.31 | ozatomic | tcp6 0 0 :::443 :::* LISTEN |
| 22:44.31 | ozatomic | tcp6 0 2792 ::ffff:###.###.#.###:22 ::ffff:###.###.###:1350 ESTABLISHED |
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| 22:44.39 | ozatomic | did i get all 4 lines in? |
| 22:44.40 | Fr0zen_ | lol |
| 22:44.41 | Fr0zen_ | ya |
| 22:44.46 | ozatomic | see i'm on ssh |
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| 22:44.49 | ozatomic | and its using tcp6 |
| 22:45.03 | Fr0zen_ | ya, your network is ipv6 |
| 22:45.05 | pickcoder | that's the only thing I can think of |
| 22:45.05 | Fr0zen_ | what country are you? |
| 22:45.12 | Fr0zen_ | nvm au |
| 22:45.14 | pickcoder | or your config is wrong somewhere |
| 22:45.15 | ozatomic | i'm au box is overseas |
| 22:45.26 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 22:45.29 | ozatomic | hmm but the config is the same as my other boxes |
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| 22:46.56 | dkr | oh, so the system really is using ipv6, that negates my theory. :) |
| 22:47.24 | ozatomic | yeah well i'm conntecting with other things with it :P |
| 22:47.58 | ozatomic | its very strange |
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| 22:48.24 | Linracoon | could anyne help me creating a Contents.gz file list? |
| 22:48.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | shogunx: Hey |
| 22:48.33 | Fr0zen_ | Ozatomic, #apache |
| 22:48.36 | Fr0zen_ | they should be able to help you |
| 22:51.49 | abrotman | !debian repository |
| 22:51.49 | dpkg | it has been said that debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 22:53.00 | Linracoon | abrotman: Contens.gz isnt created with genbasedir? |
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| 22:55.16 | ndee | what could the reasons be that a cronjob gets not executed? |
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| 22:55.31 | karsten | ndee: Several. |
| 22:55.41 | karsten | ndee: What's your syslog have to say about it? |
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| 22:55.57 | Miles_Prower | [AMSG (sorry!)] Thailand has blocked all of Youtube from their entire country, due to a clip making fun of their king via animations, that youtube would not pull. |
| 22:56.15 | ndee | karsten: CRON[5554]: (developer) CMD (/usr |
| 22:56.19 | ndee | and then my CMD |
| 22:56.32 | karsten | ndee: Got a space following '/usr' and command in your cronjob spec? |
| 22:56.48 | karsten | ndee: Do other cronjobs not run? Do other cronjobs for that user run? |
| 22:56.52 | ndee | that's the whole line: Apr 5 00:56:02 GDP-LIN-231-178 CRON[5824]: (developer) CMD (/usr/bin/php4 /www/fibag/typo3conf/ext/anpa_rsync/res/sync.php) |
| 22:57.00 | ndee | all the cronjobs don't run |
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| 22:57.17 | ndee | when I execute /usr/bin/php4 yadda from the shell with that same user, it works. |
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| 22:57.38 | ndee | all the cronjobs for that user don't run. |
| 22:57.46 | karsten | ndee: system or user crontab? |
| 22:57.54 | ndee | user crontab, from the user developer |
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| 22:58.15 | karsten | ndee: Do you have /etc/cron.{allow,deny} ? |
| 22:58.45 | ndee | no, just cron.d/, cron.daily/ etc and crontab |
| 22:59.01 | karsten | ndee: What's the crontab entry? |
| 22:59.29 | ndee | * * * * * /usr/bin/php4 /www/fibag/typo3conf/ext/anpa_rsync/res/sync.php |
| 22:59.31 | karsten | .. maybe. |
| 22:59.41 | karsten | ndee: As one line? |
| 22:59.46 | ndee | yes |
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| 23:00.17 | leafwiz | I don't understand it.. I'm moving some files in three instances of krusader under etch.. And the whole server goes into a crawl.. |
| 23:00.43 | karsten | leafwiz: top, iostat, vmstat, are your friends. |
| 23:00.52 | ndee | karsten: I also have a \n at the bottom of the crontab |
| 23:01.03 | karsten | ndee: That shouldn't matter. |
| 23:01.14 | leafwiz | yes.. I'd just checked out top |
| 23:01.16 | karsten | ndee: Try: * * * * * touch /tmp/crontest |
| 23:01.26 | karsten | ndee: ... and check for the existence of that file at the next minute. |
| 23:01.40 | karsten | ndee: ... add that line to your crontab. |
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| 23:02.23 | ndee | karsten: the file exists |
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| 23:03.02 | karsten | ndee: Then the problem isn't your crontab or user permissions. |
| 23:03.06 | helo | somewhat offtopic GPL question, but nobody else will bite |
| 23:03.09 | karsten | ndee: What environment does PHP expect? |
| 23:03.23 | helo | with server-side GPL'd code, can someone make changes, use the modified version only on their own machines, and avoid having to legally redistribute those changes? suppose gmail used a modified version of squirrelmail... google never released the gmail binaries, so they woulnd't have to distribute any of the changes they made to squirrelmail... right? |
| 23:03.28 | ndee | karsten: what do you exactly mean? |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | helo: tried #gnu ? |
| 23:04.04 | karsten | helo: That's one of several situations GPLv3 is IIUC designed to deal with. |
| 23:04.12 | karsten | helo: But you're right, that's OT here. |
| 23:04.23 | karsten | ndee: environment variables. |
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| 23:04.36 | helo | i was wondering if that case was covered by the anti-tivoization stuff in gplv3... i'll go check out #gnu :) |
| 23:04.38 | ndee | karsten: how can I check that for that particular script? |
| 23:04.38 | karsten | ndee: Is your interactive shell any different from what cron runs? |
| 23:04.44 | quasar | i have a file i cannot delete.. or move.. or do anything to.. (even as root!) can someone help? :) |
| 23:04.59 | ndee | karsten: how could I test that? |
| 23:05.00 | karsten | ndee: Write a wrapper which dumps env (eg: 'set; setenv') as part of its output. |
| 23:05.08 | evilgeek | 'tivoization'? |
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| 23:05.37 | helo | evilgeek: 'tivoization'. |
| 23:05.41 | karsten | evilgeek: I think that's a different case. Tivo actually distributes HW, which is to say, puts a copy of the code in the user's vicinity. |
| 23:06.23 | ndee | karsten: you mean, I shall write a script which does phpinfo() for example and call that from the crontab? |
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| 23:06.34 | karsten | evilgeek: A strict webapp doesn't do that. It just "performs" the work. Which isn't protected under US copyright law for software (though it is for other works). |
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| 23:06.48 | cartesian1984 | Okay, I'm trying to boot debian from my flash drive via syslinux. /boot is a fat32 partition, and the first partition on the disk. It has syslinux on it. / is an ext2 partition. How do I configure syslinux to treat /dev/sdc2 or / as the root partition? |
| 23:07.18 | karsten | ndee: script: set; setenv; /usr/bin/php4 /www/fibag/typo3conf/ext/anpa_rsync/res/sync.php && echo OK || echo "PHP failed" |
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| 23:07.34 | karsten | ndee: .... and invoke that script from crontab. See what it says. Should mail you the results. |
| 23:07.59 | ndee | I put a > /home/developer/myoutput.log at the end |
| 23:08.04 | karsten | cartesian1984: Pass a root=<value> parameter to the kernel. |
| 23:08.09 | evilgeek | karsten: i don't actually know what 'tivoization' is. |
| 23:08.23 | karsten | ndee: cron automatically emails the invoking user any stdout, no need to log. |
| 23:08.32 | evilgeek | karsten: did they hack the linux kernel, distribute it with their hardware, and release no changes? |
| 23:08.35 | karsten | evilgeek: There's this really cool research project at Stanford. |
| 23:08.42 | karsten | evilgeek: I've no idea if it will go anywhere. |
| 23:08.59 | karsten | evilgeek: But apparently, if you want to know something, it'll tell you about it. It's really cool. |
| 23:09.09 | karsten | evilgeek: Someday someone might get rich by doing this sort of thing. |
| 23:09.14 | karsten | evilgeek: It's called "Google". |
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| 23:09.46 | evilgeek | oh, neat. somebody actually uses that as a word. |
| 23:10.05 | ndee | karsten: after adding something to the crontab, the crontab now works again. |
| 23:10.07 | ndee | how weird is that |
| 23:10.20 | karsten | ndee: Interesting. |
| 23:10.23 | karsten | ndee: Might have been a permissions thing. |
| 23:10.26 | quasar | i'm having trouble updating becuase /usr/bin/ssh cannot be deleted or overwritten.. even by root.. can anyone help me? |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | is /usr/ mounted read-only ? |
| 23:11.02 | karsten | quasar: what abrotman said, also check file attributes ('lsattr'), and for disk errors. |
| 23:11.15 | ndee | karsten: thanks for the help. Good night everyone. |
| 23:11.19 | abrotman | however .. that binary shouldn't be +i |
| 23:11.42 | quasar | abrotman: no, and moving md5sum works fine |
| 23:11.46 | quasar | k, let me check lsattr.. |
| 23:11.46 | karsten | abrotman: Right. But it might be. |
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| 23:11.57 | abrotman | karsten: which would make me suspicious |
| 23:12.03 | karsten | abrotman: Sufficiently fuxnored disk can also cause problems. |
| 23:12.08 | abrotman | quasar: which veresion of debian ? |
| 23:12.09 | karsten | abrotman: +indeed. |
| 23:12.16 | quasar | karsten: what am i looking for? s---ia------------ /usr/bin/ssh |
| 23:12.18 | karsten | abrotman: Knoppix! |
| 23:12.30 | karsten | quasar: Um. That's interesting. |
| 23:12.31 | quasar | abrotman: currenet unstable.. or well, was current last time update succeeded.. about a month ago |
| 23:12.35 | Alumin | is pbuilder what one uses to build packages in a chroot? |
| 23:12.40 | dondelelcaro | uh... if your ssh is +ia, something is totally wrong. |
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| 23:12.54 | dondelelcaro | most likely your ssh has been trojaned by a script kiddie |
| 23:13.00 | karsten | quasar: There shouldn't be *any* attributes set. |
| 23:13.06 | dondelelcaro | who thinks that people won't know how to lsattr and chattr |
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| 23:13.10 | abrotman | quasar: dpkg -l openssh-server |
| 23:13.11 | karsten | quasar: What dondelelcaro said. I'd be highly suspect at this point. |
| 23:13.19 | quasar | dondelelcaro: what does +ia mean :) |
| 23:13.37 | abrotman | man chattr .. immutable and append only |
| 23:13.52 | abrotman | the +s is odd too |
| 23:13.54 | Alumin | what's the point of +a if it's +i |
| 23:13.56 | Alumin | heh |
| 23:14.07 | quasar | k, well there was a recent break-in on the system, so it could have been a result of that.. |
| 23:14.07 | evilgeek | quasar: it means you should wipe and reinstall. |
| 23:14.09 | karsten | Alumin: You can only append immutable bits. |
| 23:14.18 | karsten | quasar: Ayup. I'd say it's reinstall time. |
| 23:14.26 | abrotman | quasar: eh .. get your data .. and reinstall |
| 23:14.38 | dondelelcaro | yeah, you should also reinstall any machines you've logged into from that machine as well |
| 23:14.38 | abrotman | or use your bakcup |
| 23:14.44 | dondelelcaro | and change all passwords and ssh keys. |
| 23:14.54 | Alumin | I want to learn to build packages, but I'm concerned that I'll go to build a package and not see all the files it installs |
| 23:15.06 | quasar | lol.. k.. thankfully i don't log into anywhere from this machine :D |
| 23:15.07 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: that's why we build packages in chroots |
| 23:15.15 | Alumin | not due to author malice, just because maybe they don't use autotools and put stuff in /opt or something |
| 23:15.17 | cartesian1984 | karsten: is that 'append root=/dev/sdc2'? Does it accept ext2 disklabel? As in LABEL=usbboot? |
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| 23:15.38 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: generally you can figure that out by reading the makefile if it's strange |
| 23:15.47 | Alumin | dondelelcaro: I am of the opinion that that's the "missing chapter" from the NMG |
| 23:15.47 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: but they really should support DESTDIR or some equivalent. |
| 23:16.06 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: feel free to write it; you're in the best position to since you know what's missing |
| 23:16.15 | Alumin | dondelelcaro: Ideally I'd like to formulate a build plan that doesn't predicate on my being able to decipher the Makefile |
| 23:16.30 | karsten | cartesian1984: Read the syslinux docs to confirm, but that looks sane. Disklable should work as it's the kernel that's interpreting that parameter. |
| 23:16.31 | Alumin | dondelelcaro: I'd love to, but first I have to know what to write |
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| 23:16.39 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: for most sane packages, it's just a matter of setting DESTDIR or equivalent. |
| 23:16.47 | quasar | anyone know about a vulnerability in webmin that allows someone to read the contents of any readable file on the system? :) |
| 23:16.49 | Alumin | right |
| 23:16.52 | cartesian1984 | karsten: thanks immensely. |
| 23:16.54 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: if it's doing stupid things like writing all over the filesystem, running it under fakeroot will stop that from happening. |
| 23:16.55 | Alumin | yeah, if they're using autotools or something it's fine |
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| 23:17.05 | Alumin | my point is that I want to account for packages that are not sane |
| 23:17.18 | Alumin | but I don't know where to start looking |
| 23:17.24 | Alumin | I've heard of something called pbuilder |
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| 23:17.34 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: pbuilder is just a tool to build packages in chroots; it doesn't help with actually making the package. |
| 23:17.50 | Alumin | oh ok |
| 23:17.58 | karsten | cartesian1984: NP. |
| 23:18.00 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: it'd help if you'd say which random package you're trying to build so we can help you out. |
| 23:18.09 | Alumin | I'm not trying to build one right now |
| 23:18.37 | Alumin | but when I was going through the NMG I had the thought that the instructions wouldn't scale to a "twitchy" installer |
| 23:18.56 | dondelelcaro | well, then don't worry about it. If you use fakeroot to build it when you're testing your packaging, you'll see if it's not installing to an appropriate location. |
| 23:19.20 | Alumin | well, it could be installing to anywhere in my home directory, or to /tmp or something (I'm not saying it's likely) |
| 23:19.29 | Alumin | do I just need to read up on chroot in general? |
| 23:19.38 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: then use the -s option to fakeroot and read the resultant savefile. |
| 23:19.41 | Alumin | ok, let me back up and ask a real question |
| 23:19.44 | Alumin | :) |
| 23:19.52 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: nah; no nead to use a chroot for this at all. |
| 23:20.04 | itchi | Hi, i'm reading the 'GNU/Linux Command-Line Tools Summary' (chapter 4.1) on the TLDP. These talk about the 'ESC-Y' to autocomplete. But that does not work here? What i'm missing? |
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| 23:20.21 | dondelelcaro | itchi: it probably means tab? |
| 23:20.47 | Alumin | is there anything I should read, other than the general chroot docs, to get things to where I can run "make install" or "./Build" or whatever jacked-up install process some loony package has in a chroot so I know for absolute certain that all files are in a particular directory (and its subdirs) |
| 23:21.03 | quasar | and.. one more thing.. anywhere i can get a good overview on doing everything i can to prevent a system breakin? i've already taken the steps of just making sure services arn't running that i dont need.. and my passwords are good, and no root ssh login.. but.. people still get in from time to time :( |
| 23:21.22 | karsten | quasar: Use any PHP apps? |
| 23:21.27 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Tabs works, but cause there are some other nice features in Bash. Like the 'man ma<ESC-X-!>' to autocomplete man pages names |
| 23:21.37 | evilgeek | quasar: it happens when you use bad software. |
| 23:21.49 | dondelelcaro | itchi: bash-complete does that for you |
| 23:21.51 | evilgeek | quasar: it just happens that almost all software written in C is bad. |
| 23:21.53 | itchi | dondelelcaro: I'm not yet sure what the ESC-Y realy output |
| 23:21.59 | Alumin | evilgeek: lol |
| 23:22.01 | karsten | quasar: In general, web-based services are a fairly frequent vulnerability path, PHP's security model and practices have served to pretty much guarantee same. |
| 23:22.03 | itchi | dondelelcaro: hhm, wait, gona look :-p |
| 23:22.19 | quasar | karsten: yes.. can't avoid that :) |
| 23:22.20 | dondelelcaro | itchi: if you're using a reasonably recent version of bash with /etc/bash-complete sourced; just man ma<tab>; |
| 23:22.21 | dkr | chroot apache? |
| 23:22.28 | karsten | quasar: what dkr said. |
| 23:22.42 | evilgeek | chroot doesn't necessarily help. |
| 23:22.44 | karsten | quasar: watchdogs, chkrootkit, aide, and remote logging are all strongly recommended. |
| 23:22.55 | itchi | dondelelcaro: doh, that work :-) |
| 23:23.02 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: no, because packages can always build things in a different way. As far as actually building it, you just call the build script with appropriate options to get it to install in a useful location |
| 23:23.14 | leafwiz | I am suspecting that low memory is the reason the server is so sluggish.. But I don't understand that because the top report looks good. What do you guys feel about these numbers ? |
| 23:23.17 | leafwiz | http://rafb.net/p/OBtrNR45.html |
| 23:23.20 | karsten | quasar: I'd also suggest you set up a system which *is* secured (and doesn't run any PHP utils) which you can ssh into, and then serial console into the vulnerable system itself. |
| 23:23.21 | evilgeek | (local root vulnerabilities arise often enough.) |
| 23:23.31 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Thanks mate :-) |
| 23:23.47 | dondelelcaro | leafwiz: what does free; say? |
| 23:23.51 | quasar | karsten: k.. when i discovered this system had been comprimisied.. i noticed it had been launching attacks against others, using some vulnerability in webmin, and had gotten at least 50 full access mysql passwords to hosts all over the place.. :-| |
| 23:23.52 | karsten | leafwiz: 'iostat 4 10; vmstat 4 10' |
| 23:24.01 | karsten | leafwiz: Single-iteration iostat and vmstat are useless. |
| 23:24.05 | mfrisch | webmin! |
| 23:24.07 | dondelelcaro | itchi: yeah; bash's tab completion has stopped sucking recently; it's still not at zsh level, but it's getting better and better. |
| 23:24.15 | karsten | quasar: That'll do it. |
| 23:24.22 | quasar | mfrisch: hrm? |
| 23:24.24 | karsten | quasar: Nuke webmin. |
| 23:24.25 | dondelelcaro | !webmin |
| 23:24.26 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 23:24.26 | quasar | lol |
| 23:24.27 | karsten | !webmin |
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| 23:24.37 | rahul | heh |
| 23:24.43 | rahul | HEH |
| 23:24.44 | quasar | lol... |
| 23:24.48 | rahul | hrh |
| 23:24.48 | quasar | alirght |
| 23:24.57 | quasar | i just didn't realize it was so vulnerable :D |
| 23:24.59 | leafwiz | karsten: Aha.. I'll do another reading then |
| 23:25.10 | itchi | dondelelcaro: hhhm, i have that zsh in a coin here. Cause i not yet know enought about Bash, i decided to read about it :-) I guess jumping to zsh at my knowledges level would be bad, i guess |
| 23:25.12 | dondelelcaro | quasar: well, now you know. ;-) |
| 23:25.12 | quasar | well thanks for the tips |
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| 23:25.14 | rahul | quasar: it's crap by purpose. what do you expect? |
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| 23:25.19 | karsten | quasar: awstats (in non-cronned mode) is also really, really bad. |
| 23:25.22 | abrotman | knowing is half the battle |
| 23:25.22 | quasar | well, of course i don't actually use it myself |
| 23:25.23 | quasar | lol |
| 23:25.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: YO JOE! |
| 23:25.32 | karsten | quasar: All the more reason to nuke it. |
| 23:25.35 | quasar | this is someone else's machine i just fix when it blows up :P |
| 23:25.35 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:25.51 | dondelelcaro | !now you know |
| 23:25.52 | dpkg | And knowing is half the battle! YO JOE! |
| 23:26.00 | quasar | lol |
| 23:26.06 | quasar | well thanks |
| 23:26.09 | quasar | bbl.. off to reinstall :-| |
| 23:26.15 | quasar | or well, bug the owner |
| 23:26.19 | quasar | he is in another country |
| 23:26.20 | quasar | lol.. |
| 23:26.24 | karsten | leafwiz: You're not using that much swap, I'd be really surpriased to know that you're swapping heavily. Um. vmware. That's going to be a bit piggish. |
| 23:26.43 | HostilePenguin | should glxgears run on 450mgz p2 with 4mb matrox agp card 94meg pc100? 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 23:27.00 | rahul | glxgears should run on anything. |
| 23:27.13 | dondelelcaro | the question is how slowly it will run |
| 23:27.36 | HostilePenguin | i get like 100fps windowed but it looks all choppy |
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| 23:27.44 | wols_ | it's only 3 simple gears. how much processing power can it need :) |
| 23:27.48 | abrotman | which matrox card .. some of them have acclerated 3d drivers |
| 23:27.48 | Alumin | dondelelcaro: so the installer can break out of the chroot? |
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| 23:28.01 | Alumin | sorry, I'm not trying to be obtuse here |
| 23:28.06 | rahul | HostilePenguin: tell it to sync with the video refresh |
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| 23:28.30 | abrotman | you know .. noone asked him why he was running unstable on a server ... |
| 23:28.32 | HostilePenguin | hows that? |
| 23:28.34 | Alumin | just to confirm, I'm not trying to account for installers that are deliberately hostile |
| 23:28.45 | squisher | devfs is obsolete, right? I still have a /etc/devfs, can I get rid of it, using debian sid? |
| 23:29.00 | rahul | devfs is perfectly fine |
| 23:29.01 | abrotman | udev 4life .. or some crap |
| 23:29.07 | wols_ | abrotman: what would you ask him after the webmin thing came out? "abandon all hope ye who enter" |
| 23:29.08 | Alumin | just something that wants to write to /opt or something...make sure it goes into ~/build/<package>/opt instead of the real /opt or ~/opt or what have you |
| 23:29.08 | rahul | it actually works, as opposed to the other options |
| 23:29.14 | dondelelcaro | Alumin: it can't break out of the chroot easily, but the point was to know that it's written to stuff outside of the directory which it is supposed to write to |
| 23:29.17 | wols_ | but of course HE never uses webmin, oh no |
| 23:29.24 | squisher | how do I figure out if i"m using devfs or udev? |
| 23:29.30 | leafwiz | Okay.. The new poll is in.. :) I think there is heavy diskload.. but |
| 23:29.32 | leafwiz | http://rafb.net/p/Zv4qvB56.html |
| 23:29.34 | abrotman | wols_: well .. i mean .. he said he was using an unupdated unstable as a production server :) |
| 23:29.34 | dondelelcaro | squisher: if you have /dev/.static, you're using udev. |
| 23:29.49 | Alumin | dondelelcaro: well, I suppose there's also a potential issue of "what if the file it writes externally overwrites an existing file" |
| 23:30.00 | squisher | dondelelcaro: thanks, yeah, it's udev |
| 23:30.36 | bkw | Is it possible to set home_mailbox=Maildir/ in postfix main.cf to some other dir than ~/Maildir, I would like to specify a path myself |
| 23:30.38 | dondelelcaro | if your devices look like /dev/universe0/earth0/northamerica0/usa0/ca0/la0/ucla0/computer0/bus0/ide0/disc0/part0 then you might be using devfs |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | that's nice iowait |
| 23:30.47 | rahul | Alumin: that's why you don't build packages as root |
| 23:30.58 | rahul | dondelelcaro: HEH. |
| 23:31.00 | Alumin | rahul: can still overwrite stuff in ~ |
| 23:31.03 | squisher | dondelelcaro: *g* |
| 23:31.07 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is that normal that my zsh prompt look like: \[\033[00m\]\h:\[\033[0;32m\]\u | \[\033[00m\]\D{~} \[\033[0;32m\]| \w\[\033[00m\]\n\[\033[00m\]\$ \[\033[00m\] ? |
| 23:31.12 | rahul | Alumin: why would it do that? |
| 23:31.23 | dondelelcaro | itchi: if that's what you've got PS1 set to, sure. |
| 23:31.25 | Alumin | rahul: because the upstream author's a moron, I dunno |
| 23:31.29 | rahul | Alumin: why would you be installing software that explicitly references ~? |
| 23:31.37 | rahul | Alumin: why are you installing software written by a moron? |
| 23:31.43 | Alumin | itchi: looks like you've got an "echo" instead of an "echo -e" somewhere |
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| 23:32.19 | Alumin | rahul: those are valid points, but they don't address the question to which I'm trying to get an answer |
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| 23:32.40 | itchi | Alumin: I dunno, i just typed 'zsh' in my shell :-p Like i'm going to learn deeper about Bash, maybe will it be good to compare to other stuff |
| 23:33.14 | Alumin | personally, I like zsh better than bash |
| 23:33.20 | mfrisch | itchi: then switch to sh to see the difference |
| 23:33.39 | rahul | zsh is our corporate standard |
| 23:33.40 | mfrisch | zsh has themes ;-) |
| 23:33.49 | Alumin | but unless you're a real knob-twiddler it's probably not worth the switch |
| 23:33.50 | itchi | mfrisch: I'm still in learning phase, i not understand what you tell :-) |
| 23:34.04 | Alumin | mfrisch: bash has bashish :P |
| 23:34.05 | rahul | zsh can twiddle my knob any day |
| 23:34.27 | Alumin | this is what zsh is all about: |
| 23:34.36 | itchi | My ~.zshrc is empty haha |
| 23:34.59 | Alumin | doing man zsh and instead of getting a man page you get "oh yeah so we couldn't fit everything in one document so here's 12 different manpages that together have everything" |
| 23:35.28 | Alumin | when I saw that I knew I had to switch...I go where the blinky lights are |
| 23:35.35 | Alumin | never regretted the decision |
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| 23:35.49 | itchi | I guess, it's to do with the zsh 4.3.2-25 and not the zsh30 (for on my Etch box)?? |
| 23:36.13 | mfrisch | autoload -U promptinit promptinit prompt clint autoload -Uz compinit |
| 23:36.18 | Alumin | itchi: if you want to see something really out of control, do a web search for "Phil's ZSH prompt" |
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| 23:36.47 | itchi | I'm not a geek :-p |
| 23:36.58 | itchi | I got the fist Google hit |
| 23:37.06 | Alumin | you're on a Debian IRC channel |
| 23:37.12 | Alumin | I'm calling bulls**t on that one |
| 23:37.14 | Alumin | :) |
| 23:38.31 | abrotman | you'd be surprised :) |
| 23:38.32 | Alumin | hey, of course there's various levels of geekery |
| 23:38.50 | mfrisch | geekdom |
| 23:38.58 | lin_ | I'm looking for suggestions for bittorrent and edonkey clients for debian (so i may install them on a freinds xbox-linux running xebian) |
| 23:39.00 | Alumin | but yeah...if you're on IRC with an actual IRC client (not a java thingy) then you're already 80th percentile at least |
| 23:40.28 | bkw | hm, no postfix users around? ppl in that channel seem very tired |
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| 23:40.28 | c0uin | hello all |
| 23:40.28 | itchi | Yeah, that prompt looks very funny, a bit like the docs of the LFS stuff |
| 23:40.28 | Alumin | mfrisch: I think of geekery more as the collective acts of being geeky, whereas geekdom refers to the state itself |
| 23:40.28 | c0uin | i want to know how to format partition witout lost data ?? |
| 23:40.29 | itchi | I mean the prompt of the LFS |
| 23:40.29 | Alumin | heh |
| 23:40.29 | Alumin | c0uin: uh |
| 23:40.29 | Alumin | c0uin: you mean _resize_? |
| 23:40.51 | c0uin | yes resize a lvm partition |
| 23:41.07 | Alumin | oh LVM...don't know about that one |
| 23:41.20 | Alumin | I'm sure it's possible |
| 23:41.33 | squisher | It's possible for sure, just look for an LVM tutorial |
| 23:42.01 | itchi | wtf, i have colors in my zsh prompt, woooaa :-p |
| 23:42.19 | c0uin | i have extend logical volume but after i must to format to have all size avaible |
| 23:42.46 | itchi | simonrvn: Replace the color cartridge :-p |
| 23:42.59 | wintix | c0uin: what filesystem do you have on the lvm you have resized? |
| 23:43.05 | c0uin | ext3 |
| 23:43.16 | simonrvn | what does a colour catridge have to do with shell prompts? |
| 23:43.21 | simonrvn | cart* |
| 23:43.34 | wintix | c0uin: have a look at resize2fs |
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| 23:43.54 | ezu5t | does anyone know of a tool for debian that does for ATI graphics cards what "nvidia-xconfig" does for nvidia cards? |
| 23:44.11 | abrotman | what does nvidia-xconfig do ? |
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| 23:44.24 | simonrvn | pretty much fuck all |
| 23:44.30 | wintix | ezu5t: fglrxconfig or something like that, iirc. |
| 23:44.32 | ezu5t | nvidia-xconfig writes stuff to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and helps set up twinview |
| 23:44.36 | wintix | simonrvn: yes :) |
| 23:44.58 | simonrvn | nothing that reading the READMEs won't give you.... |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | !be a reading barbie |
| 23:45.07 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 23:45.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:45.13 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 23:45.33 | simonrvn | ah, finally, the recycling truck is here |
| 23:45.50 | itchi | ezu5t: You want that aticonf --initial |
| 23:46.01 | ezu5t | thanks itchi |
| 23:46.17 | itchi | ezu5t: Read the docs about that tool ;-) |
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| 23:46.49 | itchi | ezu5t: And sure, if you plan to make use of dual-head |
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| 23:48.14 | abrotman | simonrvn: wow .. you've an exciting life |
| 23:48.16 | c0uin | ok thks wintix i will read this |
| 23:48.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:48.42 | simonrvn | i did the crazy shit already |
| 23:49.01 | wintix | c0uin: wintix != itchi ;) |
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| 23:49.26 | abrotman | lies! |
| 23:49.31 | wintix | :p |
| 23:49.56 | simonrvn | now all that i have left to do is travel the world, sky jump, climb a mountain, and go scuba diving |
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| 23:50.04 | abrotman | sky dive ? |
| 23:50.11 | simonrvn | yeh, that |
| 23:50.22 | cartesian1984 | Does the debian kernel do mount-by-label by default? That is, I won't have to patch it, right? |
| 23:50.32 | abrotman | you could try scuba in the st lawerence no ? :) |
| 23:50.34 | wintix | he could jump, but the result would be slightly differen ;) |
| 23:50.35 | cartesian1984 | Er, not patch it, rebuild it. |
| 23:50.37 | simonrvn | eew |
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| 23:51.26 | simonrvn | you can mount by UUID= or LABEL= . it's a mount thing, FYI |
| 23:51.29 | itchi | nah, i'm itchi the real one :-p |
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| 23:51.43 | simonrvn | no you're not, you're not itchy |
| 23:52.07 | cartesian1984 | simonrvn: I'm looking for a way to do it via the kernel boot line though... |
| 23:52.09 | otro_viajero_77 | anyone knows where can i find a good tutorial for setting up and installing the x window system in debian sarge? |
| 23:52.10 | itchi | simonrvn: I'm itchi, not itchy :-p |
| 23:52.11 | simonrvn | anyway, i gotta go fix something |
| 23:52.24 | simonrvn | cartesian1984: try it ;p |
| 23:52.52 | itchi | otro_viajero_77: Try to search in the dpkg's factoids database |
| 23:53.03 | simonrvn | !drxx |
| 23:53.03 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:53.13 | itchi | otro_viajero_77: See also /msg dpkg setup x |
| 23:53.14 | frankr | otro_viajero_77, apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 23:53.55 | wintix | otro_viajero_77: now merge all suggestions and you're all set ;) |
| 23:54.25 | cartesian1984 | simonrvn: what is UUID? |
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| 23:55.27 | otro_viajero_77 | ok thanks a lot :) |
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| 23:56.08 | cartesian1984 | simonrvn: I tried root=LABEL=usbroot, but it didn't work. |
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