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| 00:00.20 | wols_ | unsolo: I usually keep at least 2 different kernels |
| 00:00.22 | frex | Guerin: if I have experimental software it's just because someone here suggested it! |
| 00:00.35 | unsolo | does debian handle modules in any very specific way or can you just copy the module into /lib/modules/kernel/etc |
| 00:00.39 | stew | frex: you don't have experimental software |
| 00:00.40 | enouf | it's our fault! .. |
| 00:00.51 | frex | stew: I'm not worried |
| 00:00.54 | frex | ;) |
| 00:01.03 | gentgeen__ | can someone tell me the pastebin url (/msg dpkg paster is still not working for me) |
| 00:01.11 | stew | !paster |
| 00:01.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:01.30 | gentgeen__ | thx stew... sorry all for such an odd request |
| 00:01.43 | militant | what's the switch to download the testing or whatever version of a package? apt-get can do that right, go into testing/unstable on command? i need a vlc newer than .8.2 |
| 00:01.54 | enouf | doh .. s/strpping/stopping/stepping in |
| 00:01.56 | Guerin | militant: no. |
| 00:02.01 | stew | militant: don't install pacakges from testing onto stable: /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:02.03 | Guerin | militant: you want to use a backport. |
| 00:02.08 | militant | ahh |
| 00:02.16 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 00:02.16 | dpkg | hmm... apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 00:02.24 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 00:02.37 | ben_goodger | incidentally, is it also stupid to attempt to use gnome from sid and the rest of the system from etch? |
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| 00:03.02 | militant | thanks |
| 00:03.03 | militant | um |
| 00:03.19 | unsolo | btw anyone know how to finalize a track in k3b a friend made a cd in vista i cannot reed hehe |
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| 00:03.28 | militant | nother question. do people still stick a bunch of nics in old p2's and run iptables on them, so they can toss out their linksys garbage? |
| 00:03.37 | stew | ben_goodger: etch and sid have the same gnome packages, so it would not be in any way different |
| 00:03.42 | wols_ | militant: yes |
| 00:03.49 | militant | oh good. |
| 00:03.59 | militant | i'm itching to, got a 350mhz down here, old optiplex |
| 00:04.16 | maddash | erm, don't old p2's guzzle power like an SUV does gasoline? |
| 00:04.22 | militant | probably |
| 00:04.26 | wols_ | militant: apt-get install ipmasq dnsmasq. and you can replace your linksys except for the AP |
| 00:04.29 | ben_goodger | maddash: they do indeed |
| 00:04.33 | Guerin | militant: not really |
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| 00:04.41 | Miles_Prower | I do it. |
| 00:04.43 | Guerin | militant: a lot depends on the PSU and bios |
| 00:04.44 | Miles_Prower | XD |
| 00:04.47 | wols_ | a P2 uses ~20W |
| 00:04.51 | unsolo | crap even rebooted and that network driver still has a no show |
| 00:05.00 | militant | but i basically live in my basement (and no it's not my parents') and the machines cut back on my heating gas bill :) |
| 00:05.05 | enouf | mine's been running on a 250w PSU since 1999 :-P |
| 00:05.09 | Miles_Prower | A friend of mine has a K6 box with 3 4-port nics in it. |
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| 00:05.16 | Miles_Prower | Intel at that. |
| 00:05.21 | wols_ | militant: electricity is the most expensive way to heat... |
| 00:05.26 | Miles_Prower | runs a kickass little vpn router off it. |
| 00:05.26 | militant | yes but |
| 00:05.37 | militant | i need my machines anyway. so it offsets the cost, to be able to turn down my furnace |
| 00:05.52 | wols_ | militant: what does he need 12 ports for? |
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| 00:06.00 | frex | stew: mplayer now appears in the browser, but it says "Stopped" when it should be playing |
| 00:06.06 | unsolo | bzed: my conclusiuon is that this card is not yet supported by the e1000 driver |
| 00:06.11 | frex | stew: must be a config problem? |
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| 00:06.28 | militant | wols you meant Miles_Prower but... i need 9 ports, myself. so. |
| 00:06.28 | Miles_Prower | wols_: it runs a colocation at a small ISP downtown. |
| 00:06.31 | enouf | militant: dig up the basement floor (or just lay down sleepers) and lay down radiant hot water heat |
| 00:06.33 | gentgeen__ | I can't install/update/remove any package because I keep getting http://channels.debian.net/paste/5767 |
| 00:06.41 | Miles_Prower | one input nic onboard. |
| 00:06.45 | Miles_Prower | up to 12 servers out |
| 00:06.48 | Miles_Prower | =P |
| 00:06.49 | bzed | unsolo: google says something different |
| 00:06.52 | gentgeen__ | I can't even remove the offending package |
| 00:06.52 | Miles_Prower | full 1-1 nat. |
| 00:06.54 | wols_ | militant: buy a switch :P |
| 00:06.54 | stew | frex: or it doesn't know about the codec for the particular file you are trying to play |
| 00:06.54 | unsolo | hmm |
| 00:07.01 | bzed | unsolo: there should also be a list in the driver tar.gz |
| 00:07.09 | unsolo | how can i find out exactly from whre the module was loaded |
| 00:07.10 | wols_ | militant: for a few ports it's ok. say 3-4. bu that's the limit |
| 00:07.21 | militant | wols_ yah i will but moving to dc is expensive, and i need to do it by june. so are switches, to get a decent one. |
| 00:07.23 | militant | heh |
| 00:07.24 | wols_ | unsolo: load it via insmod |
| 00:07.27 | unsolo | i deleted all other drivers and manually kopied the .ko into the folders. |
| 00:07.29 | wols_ | that way you can make sure |
| 00:07.34 | rainabba | Can anyone confirm they've gotten SDL or VNC working with an HVM guest on Xen3.0.3 kernel package under etch? |
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| 00:07.43 | frex | stew: it's a windows media file, so I assume it's a config problem??? |
| 00:07.45 | wols_ | militant: for a home network? hardly |
| 00:07.45 | unsolo | wols_: it loads on default since im ssh ing in trough another card |
| 00:07.47 | enouf | militant: if you're moving soon .. forget the radiant floor heat plan :-) |
| 00:07.48 | frex | stew: any suggestions?? |
| 00:07.50 | wols_ | 100MBit switches are cheap |
| 00:07.53 | Guerin | frex: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 00:07.56 | unsolo | which also uses e1000 |
| 00:08.00 | wols_ | unsolo: rmmod it first |
| 00:08.13 | unsolo | while its running.. |
| 00:08.16 | militant | performance isn't an issue. most of the machines do almost nothing on the network. so there won't be too much packet switching for the kernel and thus cpu to handle, except on maybe 2 machines |
| 00:08.17 | phreqmod | rainabba, yes |
| 00:08.30 | unsolo | tried that 3 times rebooting is prefered over it |
| 00:08.39 | wols_ | unsolo: check all e1000.ko files. copy them all to a single place. then overwrite all those in /lib/modules/ with your new evrsion |
| 00:08.55 | mx-zoom | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.57 | wols_ | run depmod -a and cross your fingers while you reboot |
| 00:08.57 | bzed | unsolo: which one was i? |
| 00:08.57 | militant | a home switch? nothx. i'll not waste the money when i'll be getting a much better one toward the end of the year |
| 00:09.11 | bzed | unsolo: which one was the adapter number |
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| 00:10.05 | pestilence | is there any way to change the last modified time on a file? |
| 00:10.14 | enouf | militant: maybe get a slug. install debian, and utilize iptables, and leave the p2 for fileserver or whatever |
| 00:10.14 | Guerin | pestilence: touch |
| 00:10.15 | wols_ | pestilence: touch |
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| 00:10.27 | ben_goodger | pestilence: modify the file |
| 00:10.33 | nomi | i installed etch and selected the drive encryption option. i'd like to change my LUKS password now, can someone tell me what command or utility to use for this? |
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| 00:10.39 | maddash | Guerin: pervert. |
| 00:10.41 | maddash | Guerin: j/k. |
| 00:10.43 | Guerin | ben_goodger: seems obvious, don't it |
| 00:10.45 | pestilence | Guerin: wols_ ben_goodger i want to roll it back. |
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| 00:10.56 | ben_goodger | Guerin: it does |
| 00:10.58 | Guerin | pestilence: roll *what* back? |
| 00:11.00 | ben_goodger | :) |
| 00:11.10 | pestilence | i have a bunch of postscript files i would like to convert to pdf, but preserve the modification time |
| 00:11.12 | wols_ | enouf: how much ram on a SLUG? |
| 00:11.30 | ben_goodger | pestilence: ....why? |
| 00:11.33 | pestilence | so, ps2pdf14 makes a modification time of (right now), i want to roll it back to (the date the ps file was created) |
| 00:11.34 | enouf | wols_: no idea .. just thinking about power consumption |
| 00:11.38 | maddash | depends. has salt been added? |
| 00:11.40 | \amethyst | pestilence: touch -r oldfile newfile |
| 00:11.48 | enyc | pestilence: sounds like a simple script of some form needed... |
| 00:12.01 | Guerin | pestilence: why? |
| 00:12.02 | pestilence | enyc: yes, but i have to know how to change the mtimes ;) |
| 00:12.06 | pestilence | \amethyst: thank you |
| 00:12.09 | Guerin | you've got ctime to tell you that |
| 00:12.11 | enouf | wols_: and router/ip table control .. and let the p2 CPU do other things .. |
| 00:12.22 | bzed | unsolo: or even better, please paste the output of lspci -v for that NIC |
| 00:12.30 | wols_ | enouf: if that's the goal he should buy a wrt54gl |
| 00:12.37 | pestilence | Guerin: well, any time on the converted pdf will be (right now), correct? |
| 00:12.44 | wols_ | but a p2 is still better for serious NAT-router usage |
| 00:12.48 | Guerin | pestilence: um ... no |
| 00:12.49 | wols_ | more memory, more cpu |
| 00:12.55 | frex | stew: upgrade to iceweasel didn't help |
| 00:12.58 | enouf | wols_: ok then ... and there ya go |
| 00:13.00 | pestilence | Guerin: can you sort by ctime in ls? |
| 00:13.11 | Guerin | probably |
| 00:13.16 | frex | stew: I do see the plug in listed, but the files still don't play, it says "Stopped" |
| 00:13.20 | \amethyst | pestilence: -tc |
| 00:13.34 | \amethyst | pestilence: -t to sort by time, -c to use ctime instead of mtime |
| 00:13.41 | pestilence | \amethyst: thanks again! |
| 00:14.23 | enouf | wols_: i only say that because i still use p2s for main usage .. and not relegated to a "side-job" .. but naturally, to each their own, and for every task, an appropriate tool |
| 00:14.31 | pestilence | it's a whole lot easier to find what file i'm looking for when the mtime or ctime corresponds to what i think it should...that's why i am trying to preserve them |
| 00:14.44 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/vLsrzl53.html |
| 00:16.10 | wols_ | unsolo: still unknown device after update-pciids ? |
| 00:16.33 | frex | are there known conflicts between mplayer plugin and other plugins for video? |
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| 00:16.55 | phreqmod | pestilence, maybe cp -p to create new files with the .ps extension, then clobber them with the output of the comand? |
| 00:17.59 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/flFUHQ89.html |
| 00:18.01 | unsolo | that helped |
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| 00:18.44 | unsolo | however no othe than the eth0 appears |
| 00:18.53 | Thaiger | How do I add a window manager to the GDM session menu |
| 00:18.58 | amphi | unsolo: what have you pasted? just a pastebin url doesn't convey much |
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| 00:19.04 | pestilence | phreqmod: i don't understand. how do i clobber them with the output of ps2pdf14? |
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| 00:19.22 | phreqmod | pestilence, I'm assuming that that command can output to stdout... let me test |
| 00:19.58 | Gigs2 | I'm using apache2 on debian sarge, with SSL.. It works fine for a few days then it dies. The error is "Unable to read pass phrase [Hint: key introduced or changed before restart?]" .. but the timestamps show this is happening when no one is near the server. |
| 00:20.25 | wols_ | unsolo: ifconfig -a ? |
| 00:20.25 | unsolo | amphi: its a pci-x intel card im having a blast not getting working |
| 00:20.26 | abrotman | Gigs2: make sure your ssl cert has no password |
| 00:20.26 | Gigs2 | This message is followed with some SSL errors |
| 00:20.35 | Gigs2 | abrotman: I want it to have a password |
| 00:20.51 | wols_ | unsolo: sny special reason why you don't want a 2.6.20 kernel? |
| 00:21.08 | abrotman | Gigs2: then every time you rotate logs .. it will require that |
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| 00:21.18 | amphi | unsolo: ah - no idea about pci-x I'm afraid, I loll on the trailing edge |
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| 00:21.22 | Gigs2 | abrotman: require what? |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | the password |
| 00:21.44 | Gigs2 | abrotman: I've never had trouble before on other apache+SSL installations with log rotations killing the server |
| 00:22.03 | Gigs2 | abrotman: thanks for giving me a hint about what's causing it though. :P |
| 00:22.07 | abrotman | it does a SIGHUP |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | Gigs2: does it happen at the same time ? |
| 00:22.18 | unsolo | crap |
| 00:22.24 | unsolo | well now i locked it again |
| 00:22.30 | unsolo | se you guys tomorrow |
| 00:22.39 | unsolo | its 5 cliks from here.. |
| 00:22.40 | Gigs2 | abrotman: This server is still in testing so it's only happened a few times so far... let me look |
| 00:23.14 | phreqmod | pestilence, well, it will still alter the ctime so no good |
| 00:23.20 | Gigs2 | abrotman: yes 6:25am |
| 00:23.25 | unsolo | what is eth2 and eth1 used for anyways |
| 00:23.40 | enouf | more interfaces |
| 00:23.47 | Gigs2 | abrotman: I guess it doesn't do it every day because it can be up for a few days |
| 00:23.48 | JordiGH | More network cards. |
| 00:23.48 | amphi | unsolo: more tubes |
| 00:23.53 | abrotman | Gigs2: one of the cron jobs hates your web sserver :) |
| 00:23.59 | enouf | pci-e or pci-x card? |
| 00:24.05 | unsolo | thats a crap thing |
| 00:24.15 | abrotman | Gigs2: right .. it doesn't rotate apache logs every day .. it's based on log size IIRC |
| 00:24.15 | unsolo | pci-x card if you are asking me |
| 00:24.21 | unsolo | anyways off to bed |
| 00:24.26 | amphi | unsolo: what's a crap thing? |
| 00:24.28 | pestilence | phreqmod: so does touch -r, but i guess that's ok. i guess i'm mainly worried about mtime |
| 00:24.29 | enouf | nite-nite |
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| 00:24.49 | unsolo | crap is when you try to fix something which isnt fixable when you start trying to fix it |
| 00:24.56 | Gigs2 | abrotman: where's the run-parts cron thingy in debian so I can confirm? |
| 00:25.08 | Gigs2 | abrotman: root doesn't have a crontab so it must be somewhere else |
| 00:25.15 | enouf | pci-z shouldn't matter over pci |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | /etc/crontab .. or /etc/cron.daily |
| 00:25.21 | enouf | er pci-x |
| 00:25.35 | Gigs2 | abrotman: ah yes /etc/crontab was what I was looking for thanks |
| 00:25.36 | unsolo | and when you accidently set static ip on eth2 instead of eth3 |
| 00:25.49 | unsolo | and thereby block your acess to it |
| 00:25.50 | enouf | it's the same darn signaling |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | Gigs2: though .. honestly .. you should really just remove the password for the cert |
| 00:25.52 | Gigs2 | abrotman: yeah cron.daily is running at 6:25 |
| 00:25.55 | eshaase | Anyone here familiar with haskell and o'caml? i'm trying to determine which one I should learn and was looking for some advice... |
| 00:26.03 | abrotman | Gigs2: it's only going to affect the startup of the apache daemon |
| 00:26.04 | Gigs2 | abrotman: that wouldn't be a very secure server then :P |
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| 00:26.19 | abrotman | Gigs2: it's not the Cert itself .. it's the password to use it |
| 00:26.23 | abrotman | erm .. that didn't come out right |
| 00:26.28 | spundun__ | hi all |
| 00:26.34 | Gigs2 | abrotman: well the cert is symmetrically encrypted with the password |
| 00:26.34 | abrotman | Gigs2: that password is only used when starting the apache daemon |
| 00:26.39 | Gigs2 | yeah |
| 00:26.46 | abrotman | it's still just as ssecure |
| 00:26.48 | pestilence | Guerin: ps2pdf doesn't preserve ctimes... |
| 00:26.49 | Daveman | :) |
| 00:26.57 | Gigs2 | but it keep anyone from taking the cert and pretending to be me |
| 00:26.57 | spundun__ | I just updated my debian testing machine and now its stuck on mysqld on reboot |
| 00:27.02 | pestilence | any way to change the ctime? |
| 00:27.08 | enouf | unsolo: check you udev rules .. find /etc -name "*persistent*" |
| 00:27.08 | frex | can someone give a tip on how to config mplayer to get it to work for me? It says "stopped" when it starts to play a file |
| 00:27.09 | Gigs2 | if they copy the cert with no password then I'd have to revoke it |
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| 00:27.22 | abrotman | Gigs2: i suppose .. but every time the server restarts .. you're going to have to enter that password |
| 00:27.25 | ben_goodger | pestilence: why do you want to cheat your filesystem's build-in error-protection system, among other things? |
| 00:27.30 | Gokee2 | Ok if I pin testing to a higher number then stable and dist-upgrade I will then end up with testing. I make everything work, then just before (etch?) becomes the new stable and lenny becomes testing I pin my sources back to stable I would end up with a stable computer? Or is this wishfull thinking? |
| 00:27.34 | spundun_ | anyone know how to go about debugging this? |
| 00:27.39 | Gigs2 | abrotman: I know, and that would be fine if it weren't for the logrotate thing |
| 00:27.50 | pestilence | ben_goodger: i dunno. i guess i don't need to. |
| 00:27.54 | abrotman | Gigs2: you can do like some admins i know .. and never rotate logs :) |
| 00:27.57 | Gigs2 | abrotman: I guess this is the first time I've done SSL on debian, on centos this logrotate thing wasn't an issue |
| 00:27.59 | dvs | Gokee2: use "etch" instead |
| 00:28.07 | dvs | Gokee2: and you can do that right now |
| 00:28.16 | Gigs2 | abrotman: that is an option :P |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | !tell Gokee2 about sarge->etch |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | Gigs2: of course .. they have GBs of logs |
| 00:28.26 | spundun_ | oh and there is a file called /etc/mysql/dpkg__mysql_should_be_started if thats important |
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| 00:29.20 | Gokee2 | Ah thanks |
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| 00:29.37 | Gigs2 | abrotman: hmm |
| 00:29.47 | Gigs2 | abrotman: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart > /dev/null in logrotate.d |
| 00:29.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:30.02 | Gigs2 | abrotman: couldn't that be something else? |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | kill -1 maybe ... |
| 00:30.11 | Gigs2 | yeah |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | that worked with apache1 |
| 00:30.20 | Gigs2 | let me see which signals trigger a SSL restart |
| 00:31.06 | abrotman | Gigs2: uhm .. no |
| 00:31.10 | Eclipser | request for libgtkmm-2.10 has been there for so long ;_; |
| 00:31.16 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:31.28 | Gigs2 | abrotman: heh well if this bug made it through testing... :P |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | it's not a bug |
| 00:31.56 | Gigs2 | sure sure :P |
| 00:32.09 | torrr | say, if I install tomcat myself, where is it apropriate to put its directory? |
| 00:32.19 | infernix | Gigs2: about that logrotation issue |
| 00:32.21 | spundun_ | can anyone see my questions? |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | torrr: ask #tomcat ... but probably somewhere in ./usr/local |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | spundun_: did you say something ? |
| 00:32.43 | infernix | Gigs2: there are tools that you can pipe apaches log output into, so you don't need to do anything to apache while still having rotatable logs |
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| 00:32.52 | Gigs2 | infernix: cool |
| 00:32.58 | StarWars | hi |
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| 00:33.00 | Gigs2 | infernix: keyword? |
| 00:33.10 | infernix | Gigs2: sec |
| 00:33.11 | torrr | abrotman, I mean by debian convention |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | yeah ... /usr/local/ |
| 00:33.53 | StarWars | i have some Sendmail problem http://sial.org/pbot/23639 i cant Recive Mail. but i can Send to others. |
| 00:34.01 | infernix | Gigs2: cronolog i believe |
| 00:34.15 | ben_goodger | StarWars: sendmail doesn't receive, it only sends, rather obviously |
| 00:34.15 | spundun_ | abrotman: yes.... after I updated my (700) package updates on debian testing... its stuck on mysqld on reboot |
| 00:34.30 | spundun_ | oh and there is a file called /etc/mysql/dpkg__mysql_should_be_started if thats important |
| 00:34.38 | ben_goodger | StarWars: if you want a mailserver, investigate qmail |
| 00:34.42 | StarWars | ben_goodger my english no so well |
| 00:34.42 | wols_ | !sendmail |
| 00:34.43 | dpkg | sendmail is, like, one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 00:34.50 | ben_goodger | dpkg, tell StarWars about qmail |
| 00:34.57 | petemc | ben_goodger: why would anyone use qmail in this day and age? |
| 00:35.02 | Gigs2 | infernix: it looks like apache2ctl graceful can be used but there's a warning that it may take a while before it actually closes the old log file |
| 00:35.18 | ben_goodger | petemc: same reason they'd use sendmail, I suspect |
| 00:35.19 | dvs | isn't exim the default or is that for sending mail too? |
| 00:35.23 | StarWars | i dont whant qmail ben_goodger , thanks |
| 00:35.29 | wols_ | ben_goodger: if an MTA doesn't receive. how do you get your mail? |
| 00:35.30 | Gigs2 | infernix: but that might be ok as long as logrotate only compresses .2 and doesn't do anything but mv .1 |
| 00:35.30 | abrotman | noone should ever use qmail .. EVER |
| 00:35.49 | spundun_ | abrotman: and I rebooted in recovery mode also ... and then if I do /etc/init.d/mysql start it gets stuck there also |
| 00:35.49 | infernix | Gigs2: http://cronolog.org/. read it, use it, and forget about restarting apache |
| 00:35.52 | wols_ | dvs: it's the debian default MTA yes |
| 00:35.55 | Gigs2 | infernix: k, thanks |
| 00:35.57 | ben_goodger | wols_: I use gmail, conveniently.. |
| 00:36.12 | wols_ | ben_goodger: but obviosuly it doesn't receive mail for you |
| 00:36.20 | infernix | Gigs2: and obviously stop logrotate for apache in the process |
| 00:36.23 | abrotman | spundun_: i don't use mysql unless i have to ... |
| 00:36.29 | Gigs2 | infernix: yep |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | spundun_: can you make it stop trying to start mysql ? |
| 00:36.42 | wols_ | StarWars: may I ask why you use sendmail? |
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| 00:37.20 | ben_goodger | you've all yet to give reasons for not using qmail |
| 00:37.21 | wols_ | StarWars: and what do you plan to use for storing mail? |
| 00:37.27 | spundun_ | abrotman: how should I do that? ( I could do that temporarily so see if the rest of the system works, but I will need it eventually) |
| 00:37.28 | StarWars | wols_ i laike more then others |
| 00:37.54 | abrotman | spundun_: tried just hitting ctrl-C ? |
| 00:37.59 | wols_ | ben_goodger: license. doesn't fit in with rest of *nix software |
| 00:38.05 | spundun_ | abrotman: doesn't work |
| 00:38.13 | abrotman | damn well should! |
| 00:38.19 | abrotman | spundun_: how long have you waited ? |
| 00:38.34 | spundun_ | abrotman: long... few minutes |
| 00:38.37 | ben_goodger | wols_: OMG LICENSE |
| 00:38.53 | ben_goodger | wols_: debian considers it non-free, but is there any actual problem with using it? |
| 00:39.12 | wols_ | ben_goodger: it sucks. all other things I can just apt-get. qmail not so |
| 00:39.24 | wols_ | that makes this license suck for me, period |
| 00:39.29 | spundun_ | abrotman: this time I ctrl-c'ed immediately, still not working. |
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| 00:39.32 | petemc | ben_goodger: you cant 5xx a message for an invalid user with qmail, its accept then bounce, and with all that spam with forged senders, thats a problem |
| 00:39.34 | wols_ | not to mention his anality about patches |
| 00:39.44 | abrotman | spundun_: try waiting like 15 |
| 00:39.51 | spundun_ | abrotman: while ctrl-alt-del works... |
| 00:39.53 | Gigs2 | infernix: TODO: adapt cronolog for Apache 2.0 :P |
| 00:39.54 | spundun_ | ok |
| 00:39.59 | spundun_ | will wait for 15 minutes |
| 00:39.59 | Gigs2 | infernix: thanks anyway :P |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | spundun_: i'm sure ctlr-alt-del does |
| 00:40.05 | ben_goodger | petemc: that made little to no sense, but thanks for giving me a useful reason |
| 00:40.11 | spundun_ | abrotman: :) |
| 00:40.12 | infernix | Gigs2: *shrug* |
| 00:40.17 | wols_ | ben_goodger: and qmail simply doesn't offer any incentives anymore to use it. sendmail isn't the only MTA anymore... |
| 00:40.17 | rainabba | Can anyone confirm they've gotten SDL or VNC working with an HVM guest on Xen3.0.3 kernel package under etch? |
| 00:40.42 | StarWars | sendmail doesn't receive, it only sends, http://sial.org/pbot/23639 can any body Help me OUT ? |
| 00:40.45 | Gokee2 | How do I make a pin to etch? is it "Pin: release o=Debian,v=etch"? |
| 00:40.52 | petemc | ben_goodger: im afraid you're not disqualified from recommending mtas |
| 00:40.57 | petemc | s/not/now/ |
| 00:41.25 | phreqmod | rainabba, again, yes. |
| 00:41.28 | infernix | Gigs2: im not sure, that might be just for the module. i dont see how you cant still have apache2 logging to a pipe |
| 00:41.43 | Gigs2 | infernix: hmm k |
| 00:41.45 | ben_goodger | petemc: given that a 5xx means bugger-all to me, your statement made little to no sense |
| 00:41.55 | petemc | right |
| 00:42.07 | infernix | Gigs2: i mean you can spit anything at it and it'll parse it in any way you define it |
| 00:42.14 | StarWars | abrotman you the Guru in this Cheannel can you help my problem "sendmail" |
| 00:42.15 | StarWars | ? |
| 00:42.17 | Gigs2 | infernix: yeah |
| 00:42.20 | ben_goodger | the point of the sentence being "thanks for giving a useful answer" |
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| 00:42.25 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, a 5xx message will prevent the remote mail server from actually delivering the message, it's an error, the message never enters the queue |
| 00:42.26 | wols_ | StarWars: is port 25 already in use? |
| 00:42.29 | abrotman | StarWars: yeah .. use exim or postfix |
| 00:42.50 | StarWars | wols_ is nothink run on 25 |
| 00:42.51 | petemc | ben_goodger: its the smtp code for a permanent rejection |
| 00:42.54 | ben_goodger | <romance language user alert> |
| 00:43.07 | ben_goodger | phreqmod: ok then |
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| 00:44.58 | Azar | ben_goodger: the only reason I stopped using any type of mail on my system: spam. No mail software can effectively deal with it. |
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| 00:45.32 | Azar | that's my way to show the middle finger to spam: not using an email program |
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| 00:45.36 | ben_goodger | Azar: spam protection is a question of user stupidity, blacklisting and bayesian filtering |
| 00:46.04 | Azar | ben_goodger: I am not so smart to configure filters for mail |
| 00:46.07 | ben_goodger | user stupidity is your own fault, blacklists can be solved by using a popular ISP, and bayesian filtering is simply a matter of reporting spam consistently |
| 00:46.17 | nomi | can anyone tell me how to change the luks drive encryption password in etch? |
| 00:46.29 | ben_goodger | user stupidity as in "lol dis is kewl, ill sign up" |
| 00:46.39 | Azar | yes I am a stupid user turning my back on the smart programmers who created qmail and any other |
| 00:47.04 | Azar | you guys can keep it for yourself, spare the stupid |
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| 00:47.26 | petemc | ben_goodger: how many mails do you receive a day? |
| 00:47.29 | ben_goodger | well, if users give their addresses to spam-friendly websites that don't conceal the fact... |
| 00:47.59 | Azar | why mail when there is irc huh? |
| 00:48.06 | abrotman | memoserv :) |
| 00:48.06 | ben_goodger | petemc: I receive roughly 40 mails a day, and 5 spams |
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| 00:48.19 | Azar | abrotman: yes, thanks , exactly |
| 00:48.32 | ben_goodger | well, those are for today; average is a bit higher |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | on your mailserver ? |
| 00:49.10 | ben_goodger | no, I don't operate a mailserver, I use gmail (as covered above) |
| 00:49.25 | phreqmod | nomi, see http://gentoo-wiki.com/SECURITY_System_Encryption_DM-Crypt_with_LUKS |
| 00:49.25 | petemc | ben_goodger: there are people processing tens of millions of mails per day, with a huge percentage of that being spam - they might see things little differently then you |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | i do! |
| 00:49.45 | nomi | phreqmod: thx |
| 00:49.47 | phreqmod | nomi, search for "change my LUKS" |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | and i'm not responsible for nearly that volume |
| 00:49.55 | dvs | oh yeah? |
| 00:50.00 | Xenguy | 100709$ zcat logfile_procmail_2004-01-22__2005-09-10.gz |grep -i null |wc -l |
| 00:50.01 | Xenguy | 100709 |
| 00:50.03 | ben_goodger | petemc: google seem to have it sorted.. |
| 00:50.05 | petemc | i only have 600 users, and spam filtering is resource intensive |
| 00:50.07 | phreqmod | nomi, you add a new key and delete the previous one. Note: I never used LUKS |
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| 00:50.41 | petemc | ben_goodger: they're not a small company, and even they let some spam through, and have false positives |
| 00:50.48 | Xenguy | the number of spam my old venerable email account received in 1.75 years (apparently) |
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| 00:51.01 | phreqmod | I installed the spam and smtp relaying solution for a very high traffic company; out of office hours, and especially during the night, spam was 95% of all the mail |
| 00:51.15 | frex | mplayer is working from command line, but not in browser as plugin |
| 00:51.17 | ben_goodger | petemc: I can only speak from personal experience, but I got 0 false positives until last week in three years of use |
| 00:51.34 | AussieHatter | anyone know what would cause this ? kernel: Bad page state in process 'smbd' (if not faulty ram ?) |
| 00:51.45 | petemc | ben_goodger: you should consider that before making broad statements about the spam problem |
| 00:51.57 | AussieHatter | then the next line is this 'page:c1160380 flags:0x80000010 mapping:00000000 mapcount:0 co |
| 00:51.58 | AussieHatter | unt:0 |
| 00:52.05 | phreqmod | Whatever one ca do to prevent some of it from entering the queue the better, and not accepting mail for unexisting mailboxes is one of the few safe bets that don't entail false positive that can help decrease the workload... |
| 00:52.09 | phreqmod | imho and all that |
| 00:52.47 | deadcat | does awk know how to round off numberS? i have 88.7 |
| 00:52.52 | petemc | phreqmod: catch all addresses are a guaranteed spam magnet, theres little or no point these days |
| 00:53.12 | ben_goodger | phreqmod: I can think of several other methods |
| 00:53.46 | phreqmod | petemc, yes, we didn't have any of those, but generally the problem is letting therelays know what are the valid inboxes... since they generally are in groupware servers inside, Like Domino or Exchange... |
| 00:54.18 | phreqmod | petemc, fortunately LDAP is sort of available and can be used to test that |
| 00:54.32 | petemc | phreqmod: thats whats recipeint verification call outs were designed for |
| 00:55.11 | ben_goodger | 1. my mail is all in esperanto or english, hence you can filter foreign language spams fairly easily; 2. solicited mail is invariably well-spelt, so a simple dictionary matcher and threshold will get a lot of other stuff; 3. trusted address filtering is a very easy way to remove many false positives |
| 00:55.28 | phreqmod | petemc, the new connections to the Domino servers kloged everything up and they couldn't get upgraded, although that solution would have been the best. |
| 00:56.23 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, I hope you never have the misfortune of having to setup a solution for a company... it's generally all about absolutely no false positives and little to none end user interaction. |
| 00:56.49 | phreqmod | Just a drop-in replacement for relays that should solve everything by itself. |
| 00:57.11 | ben_goodger | phreqmod: that's a naive expectation at best.. |
| 00:57.19 | Azar | mail sucks |
| 00:57.22 | Azar | :) |
| 00:57.36 | frex | what is the command to find find mplayerplug-in.conf in the package???? |
| 00:57.37 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, ehehehe, bingo |
| 00:57.37 | ben_goodger | thank you, Azar |
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| 00:58.35 | Azar | it is not only e-mail but regular mail too: the usps is paid by spammer to stuff our mail boxes with spam and there is nothing to fight about. |
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| 00:59.04 | deadcat | does float automatically round off a number? |
| 00:59.08 | ben_goodger | Azar: you're in the USA? |
| 00:59.13 | Azar | ben_goodger: yes |
| 00:59.29 | wols_ | deadcat: round off in what way? |
| 00:59.36 | karsten | OK, WTF does aptitude continue to bitch about keys after I solved the problem last week? |
| 00:59.39 | ben_goodger | deadcat: to about eight places in display, but for practical purposes you will need to have it rounded by a programming language |
| 00:59.40 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, that's why it's so frustrating. Even if the spam is reduced by 70% the other 30% are reason enough to complain, at the same time that the threshold is demanded to remain at a safe level to prevent false positives... it's not a good task. Technically it's sort of fun, but plays deep into corporate politics and general expectation management. |
| 00:59.40 | deadcat | wols_: 87.8 becomes 88 |
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| 00:59.40 | wols_ | floats are inherently imprecise |
| 00:59.46 | wols_ | deadcat: no |
| 00:59.54 | wols_ | if you talk C |
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| 01:00.04 | deadcat | awk '{printf "%.0f\xB0 ", 9 * $3 / 5 + 32}' /proc/cobalt/sensors/thermal |
| 01:00.06 | karsten | wols_: But they're useful in an emergency. |
| 01:00.08 | ben_goodger | Azar: I'm sure there's some sort of anti-spam thing you can sign up to over there.... |
| 01:00.10 | wols_ | oops. awk |
| 01:00.28 | ben_goodger | Azar: in the UK we have a single, post-nationalised mail carrier so it's quite easy |
| 01:00.35 | Catachan | is it possible to do a minimal install from a usb thumb drive? |
| 01:00.57 | Azar | ben_goodger: I talked to usps managers and there is no way we can have it removed. If you try not to remove the spam from the mailbox, the usps will stop delivering mail to you. |
| 01:00.59 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, the former COnsignia? :) |
| 01:01.07 | karsten | Catachan: Almost certainly. |
| 01:01.08 | ben_goodger | Catachan: yep |
| 01:01.19 | ben_goodger | phreqmod: er, no, the former HM Post Office & Royal Mail |
| 01:01.30 | ben_goodger | (now The Post Office and Royal Mail Ldt) |
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| 01:01.50 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, bloody hell, didn't they revert the name to Royal Mail again some years ago? |
| 01:02.32 | ben_goodger | phreqmod: the post office was separated by thatcher afaik, but that all predates me... anyway, Royal Mail is now the UK's only postal service |
| 01:02.39 | Azar | ben_goodger: we are inundated with spam online, on e-mail, on tv, radio, mailboxes.. is sickening |
| 01:02.42 | Catachan | okay, uhm if I want to install Debian and save a cd, I can use a flashdrive, right? I guess the question is this: is there a flashdrive minimal installer available? or do I need to set it up myself? |
| 01:02.45 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, I knew that they wanted to change, but last I heard they had dumped the Consignia label that they had intended to use... going to read more about that. |
| 01:02.48 | phreqmod | ok |
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| 01:03.06 | ben_goodger | Catachan: extract a businesscard ISO to the flash drive and hope |
| 01:03.13 | stew | frex: what kind of file are you trying to play? |
| 01:03.16 | Catachan | are you serious? |
| 01:03.19 | Catachan | that is it? |
| 01:03.25 | karsten | Catachan: Should work. |
| 01:03.32 | ben_goodger | Catachan: as long as your BIOS is happy booting off it, it should be OK |
| 01:03.35 | Catachan | I find that that seems sort of too easy |
| 01:03.36 | wols_ | !tell Catachan about kmuto |
| 01:03.37 | ben_goodger | it also needs to fit, of course |
| 01:03.37 | Catachan | oh, okay |
| 01:03.42 | karsten | Catachan: If not that, find a flashdrive distro and use debootstrap. |
| 01:03.46 | stew | Catachan: /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 01:04.02 | ben_goodger | of course, Royal Mail keep suspending their postmen for telling customers how to sign up to the anti-spam list (spam generates a fair few billions for them) |
| 01:04.19 | torrr | I am trying to user jsvc, it claim there is no jvm in /usr/bin, but there is one |
| 01:05.01 | phreqmod | ben_goodger, heh, indeed, it's the same all over I guess... |
| 01:05.45 | frex | stew: I am trying to play a windows media file |
| 01:06.06 | frex | stew: do you know where I can find the mplayerplug-in.conf file? |
| 01:06.09 | k-man_ | does exim4 support .forward files by default in debian? |
| 01:06.22 | frex | stew: mplayer works from command line, but not in browser |
| 01:06.31 | stew | frex: afaik, debian doesn't distribute any software able to play windows media, you'd have to get mplayer codecs from some third party |
| 01:06.41 | stew | frex: oh, if it works from the command line, i dunno |
| 01:06.50 | petemc | k-man_: as long as you didnt choose the no loca users option, it should do |
| 01:07.00 | frex | it's not necessarily a codec problem, I think |
| 01:07.12 | frex | the mplayer was working fine until a few days ago |
| 01:07.27 | k-man_ | petemc, which file has those options to check? any idea? |
| 01:08.00 | frex | stew: how can I locate the mplayer-plugin.conf file??? |
| 01:08.15 | petemc | k-man_: if you're using debconf to configure exim, just run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 01:08.21 | Catachan | okay, I am trying download the minimal install, but I get lost as to what I actually need to download once i reach the index of cd images for the i386 architechture, |
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| 01:08.22 | k-man_ | ok |
| 01:08.23 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 01:08.43 | wols_ | Catachan: netinstall is a good bet imho |
| 01:08.43 | Catachan | the fact that there are like 20 cd images is the worst part |
| 01:08.52 | Catachan | so what do I need to grab? |
| 01:08.52 | stew | frex: i don't know. i'd look in /etc/mplayer and /usr/share/doc/mplayer |
| 01:08.55 | wols_ | Catachan: there you need CD1 |
| 01:09.05 | ben_goodger | Catachan: you need the one labelled netinstall |
| 01:09.14 | amphi | Catachan: etch? |
| 01:09.32 | Catachan | I would like to get etch, since it is the testing version |
| 01:09.39 | amphi | !etch |
| 01:09.39 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:09.41 | ben_goodger | (not cd1, wols_, since cd1 contains a minimum of useful stuff and a large pile of server-only cruft) |
| 01:09.43 | enouf | frex: afaik .. the man pages tell you where to look .. use locate and dlocate to find files .. run updatedb as root prior |
| 01:10.03 | Azar | so ben_goodger I wonder if postfix could not have by chance any onerous deals regarding spam as the real mail has |
| 01:10.12 | wols_ | Catachan: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:10.19 | Azar | Azar: errrr qmail |
| 01:10.35 | frex | enouf: thanks |
| 01:10.39 | enouf | frex: check all you ~/.mozilla and perhaps ~/.firefox files |
| 01:11.06 | Catachan | also, the hey! at the bottom are a few that aren't labeled "CDx" |
| 01:11.23 | wols_ | Catachan: I gave you the link what you need |
| 01:12.11 | Catachan | I wanted the buisiness card version, actually, since it will fit on my older flashdrive |
| 01:12.12 | ben_goodger | Azar: that would be grossly illegal |
| 01:12.12 | Catachan | (64MB) |
| 01:12.12 | ben_goodger | Azar: well, actually it probably isn't but it would be exposed, deplored and forked within eighty seconds |
| 01:12.30 | wols_ | ben_goodger: you're 79seconds off at least |
| 01:13.29 | kjxxxx | how do I get apt-get to work |
| 01:13.32 | kjxxxx | in DSL |
| 01:13.35 | Azar | ben_goodger: same should apply to usps or british royal mail |
| 01:14.14 | wols_ | kjxxxx: ask DSL people |
| 01:14.16 | enouf | frex: sysem wide conf files are usually in /etc/* .. however after installing mozplugger using epiphany(moz-based browser) .. i notice stuff like this http://pastebin.ca/404470 (you may need to install dlocate) .. man pages should tell you aout your ~/.mozilla/...pluginreg.dat file |
| 01:14.31 | Azar | anyone wants to see what is new on the new Etch RC2 installer: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2301 |
| 01:15.21 | torrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.34 | spundun_ | abrotman: its been about half an hour... mysqld is still stuck |
| 01:15.58 | ben_goodger | Azar: the royal mail aren't forkable quite so easily as exim |
| 01:16.07 | wols_ | torrr: what java version? |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | spundun_: time to find a rescue disc |
| 01:16.22 | ben_goodger | wols_: hmm, methinks it takes at least 80sec for sourceforge svn to update |
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| 01:16.43 | wols_ | ben_goodger: but the fork is happening long before that :) |
| 01:16.46 | spundun_ | abrotman: I am able to get in using the recovery mode... |
| 01:17.07 | spundun_ | what do I do after that? how do I fix this problem? |
| 01:17.23 | abrotman | spundun_: is there anyhting useful in mysql ? |
| 01:17.48 | Pacheco1 | which distribution (stable, test, unstable) would you say most people run on their home machines? I'm thinking of switching but I'm pretty sure I don't want the stable release so I'm debating between test and unstable for my home machine |
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| 01:17.50 | ben_goodger | wols_: ja |
| 01:17.56 | spundun_ | abrotman: yes, I have a wiki database in there... |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | spundun_: try reinstalling mysql |
| 01:18.19 | archville | Pacheco1, i would say testing. |
| 01:18.36 | stew | Pacheco1: if you have to ask, you definately don't want unstable |
| 01:18.38 | Pacheco1 | archville: thanks, that's what I was leaning towards |
| 01:19.01 | Pacheco1 | I was just wondering how unstable "unstable" really is... |
| 01:19.04 | abrotman | i would say etch :) |
| 01:19.32 | spundun_ | abrotman: lemme see if I'm able to star synaptic |
| 01:19.47 | Pacheco1 | the CS department at school runs their own build of the testing release and it seems to run really well |
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| 01:20.10 | stew | Pacheco1: unstable gets completely untested packages added to it daily |
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| 01:20.21 | Pacheco1 | ah... no thanks, I'm all set with that |
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| 01:20.55 | Pacheco1 | I've been running CRUX for the last few years, which is sort of homebrewish... but I'm getting sick of instability issues |
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| 01:22.20 | spundun_ | abrotman: oh shit! I get it... there was an issue with synaptic where it didn't mark mysql-server upgrade.... even when I clicked mark all upgrades... its weird, donno why it'd do that.... |
| 01:22.33 | Pacheco1 | do you think it'd be worth waiting for etch to switch? or will it be easy to go to 3.1 testing and then upgrade? |
| 01:22.45 | abrotman | spundun_: it hates you ? |
| 01:22.58 | spundun_ | abrotman: :) |
| 01:23.22 | asg | Pacheco1: you are probably fine going with etch unless this is a mission critical Internet facing server. |
| 01:23.37 | stew | Pacheco1: 3.1 is stable, testing is etch which will be 4.0. there is little reason to wait for etch to be releaed |
| 01:23.45 | Pacheco1 | ah, gotcha |
| 01:24.01 | Pacheco1 | I thought it was 3.1 stable, testing, unstable, then 4.0 got it's own set of releases, etc... my mistake |
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| 01:24.16 | rainabba | Can anyone confirm they've gotten SDL or VNC working with an HVM guest on Xen3.0.3 kernel package under etch? |
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| 01:25.15 | phreqmod | rainabba, stop asking the same question |
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| 01:25.38 | Guerin | rainabba: apparently not, since if anyone could they would have. |
| 01:25.57 | phreqmod | Guerin, I have already replies twice that yes, I did run it, worked fine |
| 01:26.22 | Guerin | rainabba: you fucking tool. How many more answers do you want? |
| 01:26.30 | rainabba | Damn guys, cry about it. I am waiting a fair bit of time and joins before I ask again. I don't expect this to be a common occurance so I want to be sure I frequently enough to catch someone. |
| 01:26.34 | rainabba | Fuck it |
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| 01:26.43 | Guerin | !customer |
| 01:26.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 01:26.55 | stew | Guerin: please don't resort to name calling. use /ignore instead |
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| 01:27.21 | enouf | rainabba .. you've seen the reply? --> rainabba: no. this part is in xen-ioemu-* |
| 01:27.25 | phreqmod | Ehehe, even so, the authenticity of the outburst was touching :) |
| 01:27.29 | enouf | heh .. guess not |
| 01:28.08 | ben_goodger | Guerin: you will not do that again, please |
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| 01:28.24 | phreqmod | enouf, no? As in it doesn't work? I must have made somethign terribly wrong then since SDL with Xen and HVM worked for me... |
| 01:28.28 | Guerin | ben_goodger: i can't tell if that's a question or a statement. |
| 01:28.52 | ben_goodger | that was a politely worded kick up the arse |
| 01:29.02 | Guerin | too subtle |
| 01:29.14 | ben_goodger | "you will not do that again" is in no way subtle |
| 01:29.49 | Guerin | it is if it's a question |
| 01:29.59 | enouf | phreqmod: it was from the dev channel to a question s/he asked .. so to clarify .. http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 notice the depends pkgs |
| 01:30.02 | Guerin | as it stands, I don't take directives very well |
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| 01:30.47 | kjxxxx | how do I get the xserver config going |
| 01:30.56 | Guerin | kjxxxx: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:30.57 | asg | kjxxxx: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:31.08 | torrr | wols_, Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_10-b03) |
| 01:31.11 | streuner | !win Guerin |
| 01:31.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 01:31.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:31.25 | asg | streuner: he doesn't take directives |
| 01:31.25 | Guerin | awesome, I always wanted to visit the middle east |
| 01:31.37 | torrr | wols_, I think my mistake is setting JAVA_HOME to /usr/bin instead of /usr |
| 01:31.37 | abrotman | Guerin: this time .. don't fall off the bike |
| 01:31.48 | asg | Guerin: "...there's too many problems" -- SOD |
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| 01:32.01 | torrr | what is with nautilus and "dav is not a registered protocol"? |
| 01:32.01 | Guerin | abrotman: is it hard to fall off a donkey? |
| 01:32.08 | phreqmod | enouf, is any of those deps not working on etch? I'm on sid now, but had etch a month ago and it worked... |
| 01:32.09 | Guerin | wait, I can answer that ... no |
| 01:32.19 | spundun | abrotman: alright! that worked! |
| 01:32.19 | cusco | torrr: you mean dave |
| 01:32.29 | abrotman | spundun: good deal! |
| 01:32.30 | amphi | Guerin: heh |
| 01:32.36 | asg | Guerin: sober? |
| 01:32.38 | spundun | now I need to figureout why my new kernel images don't show up in the grub menu!! |
| 01:32.39 | torrr | (i set a webdav in places - connect to server) |
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| 01:32.50 | Guerin | asg: all the things I've fallen off I've fallen off sober |
| 01:33.03 | spundun | do I need to do some kinda grub update after I install a new linux image? |
| 01:33.12 | Guerin | some would come to the conclusion that I should get drunk before attempting anything involving gravity |
| 01:33.26 | torrr | cusco, webdav |
| 01:33.26 | asg | Guerin: sounds like a pattern that's easily factored away |
| 01:33.30 | Guerin | stew: update-grub should fix that |
| 01:33.48 | ben_goodger | spundun: in normal circumstances, apt should tidy that away for you, but you can run update-grub if you like |
| 01:33.58 | Guerin | spundun: update-grub should fix that |
| 01:34.04 | stew | Guerin: yeah, but hopefully he has update-grub in the postinst of his /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 01:34.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:34.26 | Guerin | indeed. I find previously having lilo installed breaks that, however |
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| 01:34.33 | wubrgamer | hey guys |
| 01:34.49 | wubrgamer | quick question, i just changed the time in my bios to UTC |
| 01:34.57 | Guerin | ENOQUESTION |
| 01:35.01 | asg | wubrgamer: tzconfig |
| 01:35.04 | amphi | heh |
| 01:35.06 | ben_goodger | Guerin: stfu |
| 01:35.10 | wubrgamer | much love |
| 01:35.12 | streuner | haha |
| 01:35.14 | Guerin | ben_goodger: gfykthx |
| 01:35.23 | enouf | spundun: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel .. just pay attention to the /etc/kernel-img.conf info |
| 01:35.24 | dondelelcaro | Guerin, ben_goodger: stop, please. |
| 01:35.32 | ben_goodger | wubrgamer: yes, BIOSes love UTC :) |
| 01:35.42 | streuner | its fun, dondelelcaro... |
| 01:35.51 | ben_goodger | wubrgamer: let me guess: windows doesn't? |
| 01:35.56 | dondelelcaro | streuner: until I pull out the banning stick |
| 01:35.56 | asg | streuner: skeeball is fun |
| 01:36.06 | streuner | haha |
| 01:36.10 | wubrgamer | didn't work |
| 01:36.13 | bzed | wubrgamer: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:36.14 | enouf | phreqmod: I'm not sure what you're asking .. I'm only conveying info I noticed .. I haven't used xen |
| 01:36.20 | Guerin | wubrgamer: offer it a company car |
| 01:36.21 | wubrgamer | it's set to local time |
| 01:36.22 | spundun | stew: Guerin : no... the kernel-img.conf file has do_symlinks/bootloader/initrd relative_links all yes and do_bootfloppy and link_in_boot=no and I don't think I've EVER played with this file... |
| 01:36.29 | wubrgamer | i want it to USE UTC and SHOW local |
| 01:36.40 | Guerin | wubrgamer: i don't think windows can play that |
| 01:36.41 | wubrgamer | it's SHOWING UTC AS local |
| 01:36.41 | spundun | ok following enouf 's suggestion |
| 01:36.43 | amphi | wubrgamer: tzconfig |
| 01:36.48 | Guerin | wubrgamer: debian certainly can, see ags's advice |
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| 01:36.57 | bzed | wubrgamer: windows is too dumb for such things, it can only use bios time |
| 01:36.57 | asg | wubrgamer: /etc/default/rcS also |
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| 01:37.13 | Guerin | hm, why are we talking about windows |
| 01:37.19 | amphi | bzed: that can't stoll be true |
| 01:37.20 | stew | spundun: add "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "preinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" |
| 01:37.23 | amphi | er, still |
| 01:37.59 | bzed | amphi: hmm? how do you manage to tell windows that the bios is runnign in utc and not in local time then? |
| 01:38.10 | wubrgamer | i'm using *buntu |
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| 01:38.19 | streuner | omg |
| 01:38.22 | Guerin | wubrgamer: ask #*buntu then |
| 01:38.23 | asg | wubrgamer: it should work the same way |
| 01:38.33 | cusco | torrr: google says it might be the apache conf (server setup) like in: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=341758 |
| 01:38.33 | wubrgamer | they are a bunch of tards... |
| 01:38.43 | ben_goodger | and wubrgamer |
| 01:38.49 | wubrgamer | geez, the support SUCKS now, they can't get over the n00bs |
| 01:38.51 | amphi | bzed: no idea, I haven't used windows since w98, I was merely incredulous that recent versions still can't deal with a hw clock in utc |
| 01:38.53 | streuner | !shoot wubrgamer |
| 01:38.59 | ben_goodger | there is little practical difference in the core OS |
| 01:39.05 | streuner | dude, that's nasty |
| 01:39.06 | spundun | stew: preinst also?? dpkg told me postinst and postrm ... :| |
| 01:39.07 | bushblows | after compiling emacs, and I type emacs to run it, it tells me "emacs: Cannot open termcap database file" |
| 01:39.15 | bushblows | how can I fix this |
| 01:39.16 | wols_ | wubrgamer: we suck worse when we have to support ubuntu. |
| 01:39.20 | dondelelcaro | bushblows: why are you compiling emacs? |
| 01:39.24 | ben_goodger | streuner: please don't be nasty |
| 01:39.24 | wubrgamer | it's the SAME ! |
| 01:39.26 | wubrgamer | geez |
| 01:39.26 | stew | spundun: oh, yeah, sorry, postinst and postrm |
| 01:39.30 | wols_ | we get very cranky then. you don't wanna expeirence this. so better go back to #ubuntu |
| 01:39.31 | ben_goodger | it is indeed the same |
| 01:39.33 | Guerin | wubrgamer: we'll be more than happy to help you install debian, at which poiint you'll be able to avail yourself of the exceptional, though sometimes colourful aid of this channel |
| 01:39.44 | dondelelcaro | wubrgamer: we can't support ubuntu here, unfortunatly. #ubuntu is the place to go for Ubuntu support. |
| 01:39.53 | bushblows | well I typed emacs and nothing came up, so I compiled it |
| 01:40.04 | dondelelcaro | bushblows: just aptitude install emacs |
| 01:40.06 | pickcoder | can anyone help me with a gcc type issue? I've asked in #gcc and got no response |
| 01:40.06 | asg | dondelelcaro: I always thought compiling emacs was a bedtime story told to little comp-sci majors |
| 01:40.06 | mikecc | anyone know what happened to msttcorefonts |
| 01:40.10 | Guerin | !tell bushblows about grounding |
| 01:40.10 | spundun | stew: k, cool.... thanks |
| 01:40.12 | stew | wubrgamer: if you aren't satisfied with #ubuntu, try a ubuntu forum or mailing list |
| 01:40.13 | streuner | wubrgamer: or just install Debian, but don't call us 'tards' |
| 01:40.17 | ben_goodger | why can we not support time zones? |
| 01:40.22 | ben_goodger | streuner: he didn't call us tards |
| 01:40.30 | Guerin | mikecc: it lives in non-free or contrib |
| 01:40.35 | streuner | ben_goodger: not now... |
| 01:40.41 | dondelelcaro | ben_goodger: we support them on Debian, but not Ubuntu. If you want to support them in Ubuntu, feel free to do so in #ubuntu |
| 01:40.43 | Guerin | mikecc: i forget which - ask dpkg about them |
| 01:40.44 | wols_ | streuner: does that mean you aren't one? |
| 01:40.45 | streuner | but maybe in future... |
| 01:40.50 | torrr | cusco, I am not using apache |
| 01:41.02 | bzed | amphi: probably you can do that stuff in the OHMYGAWD so amazing registry, but I have no clue. I don't use windows :P |
| 01:41.04 | torrr | just nautilus |
| 01:41.08 | wols_ | streuner: I am, just ask abrotman for corrobation |
| 01:41.08 | ben_goodger | dondelelcaro: what is the difference between the earth's spin when using ubuntu and when using debian? |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
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| 01:41.40 | asg | ben_goodger: libpam-krb5 has no security support in ubuntu |
| 01:41.40 | Guerin | ben_goodger: it's not the earth he's trying to configure, it's his OS |
| 01:41.42 | amphi | ben_goodger: ubuntu users are geocentric |
| 01:41.49 | ben_goodger | amphi: hehe |
| 01:41.55 | bzed | !tell bushblows about search |
| 01:41.58 | dondelelcaro | ben_goodger: it's not open for discussion, unfortunatly. It's just OT here. |
| 01:42.06 | wubrgamer | i didn't call you guys tards |
| 01:42.08 | bzed | !tell bushblows about aptitude |
| 01:42.09 | wols_ | ben_goodger: there is no point in us supporting ubuntu. then we had to support all othre debian derivatives as well. the channel barely can support debian, the added workload would kill us |
| 01:42.11 | streuner | Don't feed! |
| 01:42.13 | bushblows | thank you |
| 01:42.17 | ben_goodger | wubrgamer: please see my message |
| 01:42.18 | wubrgamer | i called the **buntu channel tards |
| 01:42.27 | stew | wubrgamer: please don't do that in here |
| 01:42.34 | streuner | we aren't care |
| 01:42.42 | bzed | bushblows: debian is the largest distribution, you rarely have to compile anything oon your own |
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| 01:43.13 | AussieHatter | !monkeys |
| 01:43.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 01:43.39 | wols_ | bzed: gentoo? |
| 01:43.50 | mikecc | Guerin: how do i add those to my sources.list? |
| 01:44.10 | Guerin | mikecc: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 01:44.43 | mikecc | thanks |
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| 01:45.53 | bzed | wols_: they're larger than debian now? |
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| 01:47.00 | ben_goodger | gentoo is amusingly incompetent and falling apart at the seams, judging from the Planet entries, but that's OT in here.... *loudly* So, How Is Everything In Debian? |
| 01:47.27 | asg | ben_goodger: fractious, according to planet |
| 01:47.35 | kjxxxx | my mouse doesn't work now |
| 01:47.54 | kjxxxx | my video works now and the mouse doesn't |
| 01:48.11 | Guerin | debian is just the same herd of cats it ever was, from what I can figure |
| 01:48.17 | ben_goodger | for a free software project that means "falling apart at the seams", asg... sad, really, it was an excellent project |
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| 01:48.24 | cusco | kjxxxx: reconfigure xorg and chose the right mouse |
| 01:48.25 | Guerin | notwithstanding Murdock's words to the contrary |
| 01:48.37 | Guerin | is gentoo really falling apart |
| 01:48.39 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:48.44 | asg | ben_goodger: not at all, conflict is healthy. |
| 01:48.44 | bzed | wols_: distrowatch doesn;t even mention gentoo, but it put ubuntu higher than debian :| |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | ask #gentoo ... |
| 01:48.52 | Guerin | i mean, I know it's a bit random, but I thought that's how they liked it |
| 01:48.54 | stew | if by "falling apart" you mean "off-topic" then yes |
| 01:48.58 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:48.59 | Guerin | fair |
| 01:49.03 | ben_goodger | asg: not that much. but as I was trying to say, it's OT |
| 01:49.39 | kjxxxx | cusco: how do I get to the command prompt since I cannot move the mouse |
| 01:49.39 | bzed | wols_: err, I'm blind, it mentions gentoo, but too low for my eyes :P |
| 01:49.54 | cusco | kjxxxx: gnome? a;t + f2 |
| 01:49.55 | ben_goodger | kjxxxx: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 01:50.15 | cusco | that will restart X |
| 01:50.24 | asg | ben_goodger: when the channel is slow, OT conversations that aren't directly inflammatory are just fine. I talk about beer a lot myself. |
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| 01:51.00 | archville | ¿ Is it possible to change the "ctrl + alt + FX" shortcut to switch terminals ? In particular, is it possible to change between them with alt + tab ? |
| 01:51.22 | ben_goodger | asg: I would have been happy, but the topic police were closing in |
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| 01:51.35 | torrr | hi |
| 01:51.36 | blenna | how can i make a 1:1 copy of a html page & convert it to pdf? |
| 01:51.38 | ben_goodger | archville: alt-tab does other stuff |
| 01:51.38 | Guerin | archville: interesting question. You'd probably have to rebuild a ton of stuff |
| 01:51.44 | torrr | I seem to need gnome-vfs |
| 01:51.53 | torrr | the problem is that I don't know which |
| 01:51.55 | streuner | blenna: cups-pdf? |
| 01:51.57 | torrr | there are man |
| 01:52.10 | torrr | many |
| 01:52.10 | torrr | anyone know which one do I need? |
| 01:52.11 | archville | :\ but thanks for advices |
| 01:52.16 | ben_goodger | archville: pressing alt-tab does many things on terminal 7, so you really don't want it copying ctrl-alt-f8 |
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| 01:52.44 | cusco | torrr: probably libgnome-vfs-common |
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| 01:53.12 | amphi | archville: in console, you could assign keys to Incr_Console and Decr_Console - I use my stinkpad's page left/right for that |
| 01:53.39 | archville | amphi, interesting, where do i have to assign it ? |
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| 01:54.37 | Guerin | amphi: hm, will it switch off 7 when X is running? |
| 01:54.52 | amphi | archville: you can use loadkeys - I do "echo 'keycode 158 = Decr_Console' | loadkeys" for example |
| 01:55.19 | archville | amphi, ok, thanks |
| 01:55.32 | karsten | blenna: 1:1 copy? |
| 01:55.46 | karsten | blenna: You can print to PDF from Konqueror. |
| 01:56.17 | amphi | Guerin: nope, doesn't switch away from X - I didn't figure that X thing out ;) |
| 01:56.25 | karsten | blenna: There's some commandline utils (eg: html2ps) but they're not particularly good about formatting. |
| 01:56.26 | amphi | Guerin: I didn't try to be honest |
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| 01:56.38 | Guerin | mm, i thought that was an X command |
| 01:56.55 | Guerin | rather than a console command |
| 01:57.01 | amphi | Guerin: no, that's for the console keymap |
| 01:57.07 | blenna | thx. got it |
| 01:57.12 | Guerin | yes - hence why it won't switch off X |
| 01:57.14 | karsten | blenna: Iceweasel (Firefox) will let you print to postscript. "ps2pdf" will get you a pdf from there. |
| 01:57.40 | amphi | Guerin: I don't know how you'd do it in X |
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| 01:57.44 | wubrgamer | hey |
| 01:57.48 | wubrgamer | ben |
| 01:57.48 | Guerin | amphi: nor. |
| 01:57.49 | wubrgamer | pm me ? |
| 01:58.01 | streuner | wubrgamer: go away! |
| 01:58.12 | amphi | Guerin: in X those keys switch openbox workspaces ATM |
| 01:58.31 | Guerin | yeh, in X it's ctrl+alt+f? |
| 01:58.32 | wubrgamer | what is your issue ? i needed to find someone and i'm unfamiliar with my client, leave me be geez |
| 01:58.44 | amphi | !penixstrike wubrgamer |
| 01:58.45 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking wubrgamer to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 01:58.54 | wubrgamer | it worked |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | wubrgamer: ask all of us |
| 01:59.17 | Guerin | abrotman: ubuntalert |
| 01:59.20 | amphi | Guerin: yup - it must be an X thing for DontVTSwitch to work |
| 01:59.27 | Guerin | ah, right |
| 01:59.27 | abrotman | tard ? |
| 01:59.34 | Guerin | abrotman: nah, just an ubuntu user |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:59.46 | Guerin | who took our advice to return to the proper channel; |
| 01:59.47 | amphi | heh |
| 02:00.15 | ben_goodger | omg ubuntu has such a different ntpd!! lol dats why we cant help teh poor ubuntu noob, get debian << _still_ not a helpful attitude |
| 02:00.26 | Guerin | ben_goodger: piss off |
| 02:00.34 | streuner | fuck you |
| 02:00.38 | pickcoder | gah.. the only people I can get to test my .deb builder are Ubuntu users |
| 02:00.40 | ben_goodger | Guerin: actually, I've just been being productive and helping |
| 02:00.44 | Guerin | ben_goodger: the point is that there is a slippery slope |
| 02:00.50 | amphi | ben_goodger: could be a different version, different default config... |
| 02:00.52 | Guerin | ben_goodger: happy days. |
| 02:01.03 | ben_goodger | ah, here come the flames |
| 02:01.09 | Guerin | no flames |
| 02:01.11 | torrr | what do i write after changing source.list? dpkg ___? |
| 02:01.14 | Guerin | no issue |
| 02:01.24 | Guerin | ubuntu isn't debian, hence it's offtopic. EOF. |
| 02:01.27 | ben_goodger | torrr: aptitude update |
| 02:01.54 | torrr | ben_goodger, thanks :) |
| 02:02.44 | ben_goodger | I hate ubuntu too, but I'm not going to deny help to a user of a shared component |
| 02:02.58 | streuner | don't feed... |
| 02:02.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 02:02.59 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@host81-152-233-53.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] by stew |
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| 02:03.04 | streuner | thanks stew |
| 02:03.25 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:03.30 | amphi | ben_goodger: why hate ubuntu? |
| 02:03.36 | stew | amphi: drop it |
| 02:03.49 | streuner | that bullshit is OT |
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| 02:05.45 | pickcoder | *chirp* |
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| 02:06.50 | mezmiro | Is there any reason audio should automatically work in root but never in other users? |
| 02:07.07 | pickcoder | they don't belong to the audio group? |
| 02:07.12 | JordiGH | mezmiro: Misconfigured stuff. Try adding users to audio group. |
| 02:07.20 | mezmiro | How do I do that? |
| 02:08.23 | JordiGH | mezmiro: In a number of ways. You could directly edit /etc/group and add the group to the user there. You can also usermod, but I always forget the syntax to do it. |
| 02:08.25 | cusco | adduser --group gorupname username |
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| 02:09.02 | cusco | or only: adduser username groupanem |
| 02:09.28 | mezmiro | Man this is weird.. |
| 02:09.54 | JordiGH | mezmira: What is? |
| 02:09.55 | mezmiro | So Rhythmbox can produce audio, but VLC can't on a video. |
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| 02:10.19 | JordiGH | VLC is probably using a different soundserver than Rhythmbox. |
| 02:10.25 | karsten | mezmiro: what cusco said, last line. |
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| 02:11.15 | n3kl | What reasons could cause my sound system to stop working? |
| 02:11.17 | mezmiro | Hmm..so at any given moment more than one sound server could be running? |
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| 02:11.28 | mezmiro | I've discovered it's very complicated n3kl :P |
| 02:12.21 | mezmiro | Or rather, in this case...since sound does work with Rhythmbox, does that mean my user is already in the sound group, but VLC simply isn't calling the right sound server? |
| 02:12.34 | n3kl | mezmiro: I have not been paying attention, you are having the same issue? |
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| 02:13.14 | mezmiro | I've had quite a number of issues with sound. You might want to try doing 'apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils' and running alsa-conf |
| 02:13.30 | JordiGH | mezmiro: It could be. Especially if you're running KDE. |
| 02:13.34 | mezmiro | If you've installed and configured alsa correctly, it might be another issue (which other members here can help you with). |
| 02:13.49 | n3kl | JordiGH: what about kde? |
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| 02:13.53 | mezmiro | Nah, GNOME right now, although I do like KDE. |
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| 02:15.49 | ben_goodger | n3kl: KDE does all sorts of inventive things as regards sound |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | inventive .. right ... |
| 02:16.13 | vn | hiya, someone told me I got the allowance to transfer my zone file from their server to my server...I know how to allow a transfer but how do I do such a transfert? |
| 02:16.13 | ben_goodger | right. |
| 02:16.30 | ben_goodger | vn: FTP client? |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | vn: read the Bind ARM |
| 02:16.49 | abrotman | vn: you set yourself as the slave |
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| 02:16.51 | abrotman | and FTP has NOTHING to do with it |
| 02:17.08 | ben_goodger | abrotman: bind was never specified, and please don't use caps |
| 02:17.18 | abrotman | WHY NOT? |
| 02:17.21 | ben_goodger | "their server to my server" |
| 02:17.30 | mezmiro | Oh! I am having a few other problems with video. The framerate is dismal, and I simply can't get high-res videos to play smoothly on VLC or any other player. |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | and bind or not .. FTP has NOTHING to do with it |
| 02:17.32 | ben_goodger | BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE SHOUTING AND MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID |
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| 02:17.41 | superlinux | hi all |
| 02:17.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:17.47 | mezmiro | Any idea how to optimize the video playback? |
| 02:17.51 | superlinux | how can i update my debian stable from 3.1_r2 to 3.1_r5 using the DVD? is the image debian-update-3.1r5-i386-1.iso enough? |
| 02:17.58 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: are you using a kernel appropriate to your processor? |
| 02:17.59 | abrotman | at least i didn't suggest FTP :) |
| 02:18.08 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: just use apt-cdrom to add the cdroms, and have a cdrom sources.list entry. |
| 02:18.09 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:18.16 | vn | I never mentioned ftp :p |
| 02:18.16 | ben_goodger | abrotman: nothing visibly non-FTP was specified, so meh |
| 02:18.28 | vn | but yeah it's bind |
| 02:18.30 | mezmiro | Well, if I could find an i686 kernel I would ^_^; |
| 02:18.31 | abrotman | it's a zone transfer |
| 02:18.36 | ben_goodger | file transfer between servers implies ftp |
| 02:18.39 | vn | I thought ARM was something related to the cpu archtecture |
| 02:18.40 | superlinux | dondelelcaro i meant is downloading that DVD enough? |
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| 02:18.44 | mezmiro | Right now I"m running the 2.4 i386 kernel for Debian. |
| 02:18.46 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: what processor do you have? |
| 02:18.47 | abrotman | file transfer should NEVER imply ftp |
| 02:18.53 | vn | indeed |
| 02:18.58 | vn | I now prefer scp for that |
| 02:18.59 | mezmiro | 2.53GHz P4 |
| 02:19.07 | ben_goodger | abrotman: File Transfer Protocol is quite an obvious choice for file transfers.. |
| 02:19.11 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: yes, but you don't have to |
| 02:19.14 | abrotman | !ftpmustdie |
| 02:19.14 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 02:19.23 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: hmm, there should be some sort of optimised kernel |
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| 02:19.25 | dondelelcaro | superlinux: you can just run aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; |
| 02:19.27 | vn | funny ;) |
| 02:19.45 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: otherwise, running shite graphics drivers e.g. nvidia-glx or fglrx is known to produce adverse framerates |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | ben_goodger: it's one of the worst choices for file transfer |
| 02:19.50 | superlinux | well i dont have internet always |
| 02:19.52 | mezmiro | Ahh.. |
| 02:19.56 | superlinux | thats why |
| 02:20.04 | mezmiro | ben_goodger: I am running the defaul nv driver on the Debian install. |
| 02:20.13 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: and so is not using them where 3d acceleration is expected |
| 02:20.24 | mezmiro | ben_goodger: Mind you, I only have an NVidia GeForce4 420 with 64mb of memory on it.. |
| 02:20.39 | mezmiro | Ahh, so I need a better NVidia driver then? |
| 02:20.52 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: also, how much RAM on your mainboard? obvious question *smacks forehead* |
| 02:21.34 | mezmiro | 256mb, yeah I need more ^_^ |
| 02:21.45 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: that appears to be it |
| 02:21.45 | mezmiro | Stupid point I know, but I didn't have this problem on Windows XD |
| 02:21.54 | mezmiro | So it makes me wonder what's diferent between the two in this regard. |
| 02:22.24 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: windows was released in 2001 for 1999 hardware, while debian testing was released yesterday for 2003 hardware... |
| 02:22.37 | superlinux | mezmiro there are nvedia pakgs u can apt-get them |
| 02:22.37 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:22.37 | mezmiro | lol, I see ben_goodger. |
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| 02:22.49 | ben_goodger | there is a significant difference in system requirements, at least for video playing |
| 02:22.59 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:23.01 | Guerin | ben_goodger: step away from the bong |
| 02:23.02 | ben_goodger | just for the modern GUI overhead |
| 02:23.02 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | you didn't even ask what video format |
| 02:23.42 | ben_goodger | see, now I'm annoyed. |
| 02:23.59 | karsten | That's the favorite snack of INTERCAL programmers. |
| 02:24.02 | Guerin | mezmiro: the main thing you can do to improve video (as in, avis and such) performance is use the xv output |
| 02:24.11 | karsten | It fits right in with the COME_FROM statement. |
| 02:24.14 | Guerin | mezmiro: in mplayer that would be mplayer -vo xv |
| 02:24.16 | pickcoder | pop and stack |
| 02:24.19 | vn | my rommate got popcorn |
| 02:24.25 | vn | why did you have to mention that? |
| 02:24.29 | Guerin | nothing much relevant about ram, or vfam |
| 02:24.34 | Guerin | vram, even |
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| 02:24.42 | ben_goodger | mezmiro: i.e., not using the ordinary in-window interface but just (more) directly to the screen |
| 02:24.44 | PingFloyd | lol, Debian isn't designed for hardware for 2003 only |
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| 02:25.04 | ben_goodger | PingFloyd: no, but GNOME and VLC are, no? |
| 02:25.12 | vn | well...she wants my "special recipe"...she'll get the total thing! habañero & naga jolokia powder! |
| 02:25.12 | PingFloyd | gnome isn't Debian |
| 02:25.14 | Guerin | PingFloyd: no, it's just that ben_goodger is on the puff |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | gnome and vlc work on hardware made in the 90s |
| 02:25.20 | Guerin | ben_goodger: no. |
| 02:25.21 | ben_goodger | Guerin: fuck off |
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| 02:25.30 | Guerin | ben_goodger: do we have to play this game again? |
| 02:25.36 | PingFloyd | gnome and vlc are gnome and vlc |
| 02:25.37 | ben_goodger | Guerin: no, you're playing it |
| 02:25.42 | ben_goodger | gnome runs like a huge pig on 256mb of ram |
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| 02:25.49 | mezmiro | Guerin: I've also been having a few issues with mplayer. GIve me a moment to find some errors. |
| 02:25.52 | Guerin | ben_goodger: bollocks. |
| 02:25.57 | abrotman | works fine on 256MB |
| 02:26.06 | DawnLight | hello. i hope youre not getting tired of me here |
| 02:26.12 | ben_goodger | to many intents and purposes, debian testing == linux + gnu + gnome + etc |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | damn .. she's back! |
| 02:26.17 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.17 | DawnLight | <DawnLight> 264/235/634/ and such but with some additions of characters like (r) that are not in my keyboard. any suggestions? |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | he .. she .. whatever |
| 02:26.20 | ben_goodger | DawnLight: hello again |
| 02:26.20 | pickcoder | I've had no problems running gnome on 128MB |
| 02:26.21 | PingFloyd | that's funny, because I've ran gnome just fine on 128MB DRAM |
| 02:26.26 | pickcoder | opening FireFox is a different story |
| 02:26.39 | Guerin | ben_goodger: please just stop being so full of shit. |
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| 02:26.46 | ben_goodger | PingFloyd: evidently your experience is different to mine |
| 02:26.53 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: don 8168 1.0 19.2 364528 198880 ? Sl Mar14 93:02 \_ /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin -a firefox <-- big enough? ;-) |
| 02:26.55 | ben_goodger | Guerin: please stop swearing at me, it doesn't help |
| 02:26.59 | mezmiro | Guerin: "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. pops up first. |
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| 02:27.04 | Guerin | firefox is fine on 128MB too |
| 02:27.11 | PingFloyd | yep |
| 02:27.13 | Guerin | you just have to eschew flash and java |
| 02:27.22 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: with maybe one window open... ;-) |
| 02:27.25 | mezmiro | Guerin: Second, Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." |
| 02:27.25 | PingFloyd | I run firefox fine on 128MB also |
| 02:27.26 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 02:27.30 | Guerin | mezmiro: using which -vo output? |
| 02:27.34 | bzed | A questions to all regulars here, who are not on amd64, know how to use the GIMP - would you be willing to test a package for me? |
| 02:27.41 | ben_goodger | bzed: sure |
| 02:27.44 | abrotman | and no browsing history |
| 02:27.45 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: of course, you have to choose one of gnome OR firefox |
| 02:27.52 | Guerin | doing both ... woo boy |
| 02:27.53 | ben_goodger | bzed: kindly email a deb to goodgerster@gmail.com |
| 02:27.57 | mezmiro | Guerin: Simply opening an .mkv from gnome. I haven't set any special options. |
| 02:28.01 | torrr | I have a problem of fonts of files that I upload to the server, they get screwed |
| 02:28.04 | bzed | ben_goodger: http://bzed.de/debian/packages/gimp-refocus - you'll need to build it ;) |
| 02:28.12 | Guerin | mezmiro: try mplayer -vo xv file.foo |
| 02:28.15 | torrr | anyone knows something about fonts encodings ? |
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| 02:28.35 | DawnLight | torrr leave them alone they're evil |
| 02:28.40 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 02:28.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 02:28.48 | torrr | DawnLight, no can't do |
| 02:28.58 | pickcoder | DawnLight: do that filenames mean anything? |
| 02:28.59 | torrr | I must know |
| 02:29.03 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:29.06 | pickcoder | that == the |
| 02:29.09 | abrotman | DawnLight: they're characters from hebrew ? |
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| 02:29.24 | pickcoder | you can renamed then into sequentially numbered files |
| 02:29.28 | DawnLight | pickcoder not to me |
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| 02:29.35 | ben_goodger | DawnLight: have you supplied a screenshot? |
| 02:29.38 | DawnLight | abrotman: they used to be :) |
| 02:29.40 | abrotman | DawnLight: does quoting them work ? |
| 02:29.55 | pickcoder | abrotman: how do you quote a registered symbol? |
| 02:29.57 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | pickcoder: with TLC |
| 02:30.09 | DawnLight | what's quoting? |
| 02:30.22 | mezmiro | Guerin: It's a little bit better, but I still get some dropped frames. |
| 02:30.25 | pickcoder | TLC? |
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| 02:30.29 | abrotman | !tlc |
| 02:30.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, tlc is Tender Loving Care |
| 02:30.35 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:30.43 | ben_goodger | not in this context, methinks |
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| 02:31.08 | abrotman | yes it was |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | pickcoder: ti's at least worth a try |
| 02:31.16 | Guerin | mezmiro: what cpu? |
| 02:31.17 | DawnLight | torrr, go check wikipedia about that for general knowledge if you will |
| 02:31.18 | mezmiro | Guerin: Well, more than some. And the playback goes back and forth sometimes by maybe 10-20 frames. |
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| 02:31.32 | mezmiro | Guerin: 2.53GHz P4. |
| 02:32.09 | Guerin | mezmiro: local file, not a network share or somethin? Do you know the file is good/complete? |
| 02:32.26 | mezmiro | Guerin: Local file, and the video is definately intact. |
| 02:32.30 | Guerin | mezmiro: and also, what codec is it encoded with? Mplayer output will tell you this. |
| 02:32.30 | torrr | DawnLight, I have general knowledge, I want debian/linux specific |
| 02:32.48 | mezmiro | Guerin: Got it off of BT, so with all the checksums it does, it should be good. |
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| 02:33.05 | torrr | DawnLight, or tomcat specific, I thinc the cat is chuing the letters |
| 02:33.12 | OmnipotentEntity | Quick Question, I have a chroot setup and for some reason my locale isn't properly setup. A paste of the symptom is located at http://rafb.net/p/9a2FNS92.html |
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| 02:33.19 | OmnipotentEntity | I have /etc/environment configured exactly the same as my normal installation, and I have the same version of locale installed. Anyone know what's up? |
| 02:33.25 | Guerin | mezmiro: ok. is it [xh].264? Or what other codec? |
| 02:33.36 | mezmiro | Guerin: I don't have the same problem with AVI's, so... |
| 02:33.38 | Guerin | mplayer has some known problems with 264 in some containers |
| 02:33.43 | mezmiro | Hmm..lets see. |
| 02:33.54 | mezmiro | Yep, x264. |
| 02:33.56 | Guerin | mezmiro: well, that's a different matter - avi/mkv is a container, the codec can be anything |
| 02:33.57 | PingFloyd | OmnipotentEntity: it's telling you exactly what to do |
| 02:34.03 | PingFloyd | OmnipotentEntity: set those env vars |
| 02:34.09 | Guerin | mezmiro: try playing that particulkar file with vlc |
| 02:34.26 | Guerin | mezmiro: since the vlc devs also maintain x264, it tends to play nicer |
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| 02:34.31 | DawnLight | torrr, don't mind me i made a mess trying to figure that stuff out |
| 02:34.52 | mezmiro | Guerin: The same thing happens. I tried VLC before I got MPlayer to work. |
| 02:34.59 | OmnipotentEntity | PingFloyd, *nod* I know that, I just don't know *how* to do that, because I thought /etc/environment controlled that. I guess I was wrong on that part. |
| 02:35.05 | Guerin | mezmiro: is vlc using xv? |
| 02:35.09 | Guerin | make sure |
| 02:35.13 | mezmiro | That's a good question ;) |
| 02:35.14 | Guerin | it makes a huge difference |
| 02:35.44 | DawnLight | hey OmnipotentEntity, someone helped me make your code work and it was gooooood :) |
| 02:35.50 | PingFloyd | OmnipotentEntity: export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 02:36.19 | OmnipotentEntity | PingFloyd, will I have to do that every time I enter the chroot? Can I put that in my .zshrc? |
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| 02:36.57 | DawnLight | so any suggestions for my problem with the filenames here? |
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| 02:37.23 | PingFloyd | OmnipotentEntity: don't know, I don't use zsh |
| 02:37.34 | OmnipotentEntity | ok. |
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| 02:39.15 | mezmiro | Guerin: I assume xv means XVideo, right? |
| 02:39.38 | Guerin | mezmiro: yes. |
| 02:39.49 | DawnLight | abrotman: what were you saying about wether they are quotable? |
| 02:39.53 | OmnipotentEntity | PingFloyd, exporting that didn't fix the problem. Any other ideas? :D |
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| 02:40.30 | abrotman | DawnLight: i'm not sure ... |
| 02:40.32 | mezmiro | Guerin: Yeah it made no difference. If anything it was worse with VLC. |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | DawnLight: pickcoder thinks i'm on crack |
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| 02:41.12 | karsten | abrotman: And he'd be wrong how? |
| 02:41.12 | DawnLight | abrotman be on what you will as long as it works |
| 02:41.15 | aeronadix | is there an upgrade for flash player available? |
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| 02:41.33 | abrotman | karsten: it's not crack! |
| 02:41.42 | abrotman | aeronadix: which versoin do you have ? |
| 02:41.44 | karsten | abrotman: meth? |
| 02:41.54 | abrotman | karsten: ludes man ... |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | DawnLight: can you paste sample file name in here ? |
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| 02:42.17 | aeronadix | abrotman, not sure |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | aeronadix: google "which version of flash" .. go the url and see |
| 02:42.37 | mezmiro | Guerin: I've read that x264 is still fairly experimental in Linux, so is there any other way to fix this problem? |
| 02:42.37 | pickcoder | DawnLight: do you just want to be able to get to the files? |
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| 02:42.50 | aeronadix | abrotman, 7.0.25 |
| 02:43.03 | abrotman | version 9 is out there |
| 02:43.15 | mezmiro | Guerin: Upgrading ram, etc...or does the codec simply not function adequately in the first place? |
| 02:43.16 | kjxxxx | what dpkg would I do for a Netgear CardBus Mobile Adapter Model FA511 |
| 02:43.16 | aeronadix | abrotman, how do I apt-get it? |
| 02:43.23 | abrotman | eh .. dunno if you can |
| 02:44.05 | abrotman | aeronadix: http://backports.org/debian/pool/contrib/f/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
| 02:44.08 | Guerin | mezmiro: the codec is *very* cpu-intensive, but ti should play fine on a modern machine. |
| 02:44.13 | aeronadix | abrotman, but I guess I can take the source and make a debian for it |
| 02:44.20 | aeronadix | abrotman, thanks |
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| 02:44.23 | Guerin | mezmiro: as in, anything more than about 2G |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | i'm not sure why flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib .. but whatever |
| 02:44.41 | abrotman | i've also never used the package :) |
| 02:44.44 | DawnLight | abrotman, now i |
| 02:45.00 | DawnLight | abrotman, now i've noticed that xterm unicode can read them |
| 02:45.05 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:45.07 | mezmiro | Guerin: So basically, get a ton of ram (maybe a new board) or wait until x264 is released stable? |
| 02:45.11 | Guerin | mezmiro: there are strange interactions between codec and container, and matroska/mkv is quite an immature container - when you combine it with an immature codec (x264) sometimes you get odd results |
| 02:45.17 | Guerin | ram has nothing to do with it |
| 02:45.19 | rainabba_ | Guerin: Funny, you don't strike me as a much of a jerk if I ignore your comment from earlier. |
| 02:45.37 | Guerin | rainabba_: i'm not a jerk, i'm just *extremely* intolerant of stupidity. |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | rainabba_: stick around more .. he's a prick bastard! |
| 02:45.56 | rainabba_ | Guerin: Ohh, you mean considerate persistance? |
| 02:46.11 | Guerin | mezmiro: play the video, and look at top/htop - see how much your cpu spikes when it plays, and whether the frame dropping coincides |
| 02:46.20 | aeronadix | abrotman, I should add that link to my /etc/apt/sources.list file? Cause that what I did, but it says malformed, is that contrib/"f"/fla.. a typo? |
| 02:46.30 | Guerin | rainabba_: no, i mean (in your case) ignoring the answer you got and asking the same question again. |
| 02:46.38 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 02:46.38 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 02:46.40 | rainabba_ | abrontman: Had the same problem in another channel. For years a few guys were just plain pricks then one day, BAM, we all get along. Someone should do some social studies of IRC. |
| 02:46.41 | vn | oh...after thinking about it...I want to change the NS of my domains...from the actual server to my server...do I still need an AXFR? |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | aeronadix: you don't have to .. you can either get just that package .. or read the instructions at backports.org |
| 02:46.48 | DawnLight | Guerin, stupidity is all around and i'm sure you have your share too, forgive... |
| 02:46.57 | Guerin | rainabba_: people are. kingsley seemed to be. |
| 02:47.03 | Guerin | DawnLight: this is true. |
| 02:47.25 | mezmiro | Guerin: Wow....my CPU went from 20% to 98% instantly..I see what you mean. |
| 02:47.30 | aeronadix | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 02:47.43 | rainabba_ | Guerin: 1) never saw the response. 2) Now that I have, I don't see how it was applicable. I was asking if anyone had. Negative answered would be retarded. |
| 02:48.04 | mezmiro | Guerin: Would my best bet simply be to re-encode the video stream into something else? |
| 02:48.05 | DawnLight | so abrotman now i don't understand, if xterm unicode can read these files, why can't file manager?? |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | file manager doesn't understand ? |
| 02:48.20 | PingFloyd | OmnipotentEntity: check out man env |
| 02:48.41 | PingFloyd | OmnipotentEntity: that's another way you can manipulate your environment for your chroot |
| 02:48.49 | rainabba_ | Guerin: So your attitude hasn't done anyone any good, including yourself. Congrats for appearing as a royal ass for no good reason. |
| 02:48.54 | Guerin | mezmiro: that would cost you a good deal of quality. You could try mplayer's -framedrop and similar things |
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| 02:49.09 | Guerin | rainabba_: dude, you're the one obsessing about it. |
| 02:49.28 | Guerin | mezmiro: from 20%? WHat's using 20% on an idle system? |
| 02:49.29 | DawnLight | i'm telling the truth abrotman. wow this KSirc is really not something |
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| 02:49.41 | abrotman | eww .. ksirc ? |
| 02:50.33 | rainabba_ | Guerin: If you say so. Actually I was just about to leave and wanted to provide you some feedback you might grow from. Anyway, I feel better for having said something. That's obsessing? Go read a dictionary and engage brain before mouth. :) |
| 02:50.34 | DawnLight | anyway, any idea on how to change the filenames to something i can view with file manager? |
| 02:50.43 | rainabba_ | For a last time, thanks everyone for the help the last few days. Can't say I've seen a more helpful channel to date (and I've been on IRC for at least 10 years) :) |
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| 02:52.03 | aeronadix | abrotman, I am having conflicts with xfs |
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| 02:52.37 | abrotman | why god why? |
| 02:52.55 | pickcoder | DawnLight: http://www.pastebin.ca/404572 |
| 02:53.00 | abrotman | aeronadix: it might depend on X org .. guess it's time to read the instructions at backports.org |
| 02:53.10 | aeronadix | abrotman, ok |
| 02:53.11 | pickcoder | name it seqmove so it won't move itself |
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| 02:53.28 | aeronadix | abrotman, I am gonna try and install from source from adobe too |
| 02:53.39 | kjxxxx | is there a mouse config command? |
| 02:53.45 | pickcoder | DawnLight: hrm.. are there sub-dirs where your files are? |
| 02:53.59 | kjxxxx | My video seem fine. Its just my mouse thats messing up |
| 02:54.05 | kjxxxx | I have a USB mouse |
| 02:54.45 | mezmiro | Guerin: It wasn't entirely idle, but relative. XChat, firefox, etc. |
| 02:54.51 | Guerin | well, i'm pleased he feels better now |
| 02:55.29 | mezmiro | Guerin: I'm not entirely concerned with quality. All I want is reasonable framerate consistency. It's a high res video too, which I don't entirely need. |
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| 02:56.10 | Guerin | mezmiro: is it natively larger or smaller than your monitor resolution? |
| 02:56.12 | DawnLight | what extension? pickcoder, yes actually but i'm not sure on their filename encoding |
| 02:56.25 | pickcoder | well |
| 02:56.28 | mezmiro | Guerin: Larger. |
| 02:56.33 | pickcoder | that script will renamed everything to fileXXXX |
| 02:56.40 | pickcoder | rename even |
| 02:57.01 | pickcoder | are there file extentions? |
| 02:57.07 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:57.12 | pickcoder | I'm not doing well tonight |
| 02:57.19 | pickcoder | extensions |
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| 02:58.04 | DawnLight | pickcoder: where, in the same directory? |
| 02:58.08 | pickcoder | yes |
| 02:58.12 | aeronadix | abrotman, hehe, I ran flashplugin-nonfree and it said we gonna remove x-window-system |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | bad! |
| 02:58.24 | pickcoder | that includes subdirs |
| 02:58.42 | DawnLight | pickcoder: yes |
| 02:59.08 | pickcoder | what I mean is it will rename the sub dirs |
| 02:59.12 | pickcoder | it will not recurse, though |
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| 02:59.28 | abrotman | aeronadix: i usually just grab the tar.gz from adobe |
| 02:59.38 | DemisM | i have a script I added to init.d and the appropriate directories |
| 02:59.51 | DemisM | but when I startup my comp the script doesn't run |
| 03:00.02 | aeronadix | abrotman, I found the deb from http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/flashplugin-nonfree.html |
| 03:00.13 | aeronadix | abrotman, I will give it a try |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | it's the same thing |
| 03:00.38 | aeronadix | abrotman, oh |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | you're on sid or sarge ? |
| 03:00.57 | abrotman | erm .. etch or sarge ? |
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| 03:01.28 | pickcoder | DemisM: did you symlink to the proper runlevel dirs? |
| 03:01.40 | pickcoder | you really should use update-rc.d to do that, though |
| 03:02.10 | DawnLight | pickcoder: and why don't we use convmv? does xterm unicode succesfully viewing the names indicate that they are indeed unicode? |
| 03:02.36 | pickcoder | DawnLight: yes, if your locale is set to that |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | iconv ? |
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| 03:03.06 | abrotman | or is that for file contents ? |
| 03:03.15 | DemisM | pickcoder: I did do what you said and it says files are linked correctly |
| 03:03.16 | DawnLight | convmv, abrotman |
| 03:03.38 | pickcoder | DemisM: then it must be the init script |
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| 03:05.43 | aeronadix | where is the installation path of Mozilla? |
| 03:05.58 | DemisM | well i can run /etc/init.d/initscript start manually |
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| 03:06.49 | DemisM | can it be that it has dependencies, like network adapters? |
| 03:07.09 | pickcoder | DemisM: I'm not psychic |
| 03:07.37 | pickcoder | there's 3 things that affect boot-time startup |
| 03:07.40 | aeronadix | how do I configure gnome not to group like tabs together when I open too many windows? |
| 03:07.47 | DemisM | heh, sorry... but say it works on eth0 and eth1 interfaces does it need to start after those? |
| 03:08.15 | pickcoder | runlevel, start/stop order, and presence in the rc.d folders |
| 03:08.30 | DemisM | if so would putting it in runlevel 5 fix it, or how can I make sure it is the last thing that gets ran upon init? |
| 03:08.32 | pickcoder | DemisM: then it should be started after the interfaces are brought up |
| 03:08.55 | karsten | aeronadix: Run twm instead ;-) |
| 03:09.20 | karsten | aeronadix: IIRC that's a panel setting. Dunno, I run WMaker, sometimes KDE. |
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| 03:10.27 | pickcoder | 5 is used for gui logins |
| 03:10.46 | pickcoder | if it's in 3 and it's a service then you should be fine putting it in 2,3,4 |
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| 03:11.16 | pickcoder | plus 0 and 6 |
| 03:11.22 | bcstv | msg dpkg no public key |
| 03:11.46 | Guerin | no |
| 03:11.49 | Guerin | pickcoder: bollocks |
| 03:11.57 | Guerin | debian uses 2 for all user logins |
| 03:12.06 | pickcoder | 3 and 4 are the same as 2 |
| 03:12.08 | Guerin | 3-5 are empty to be customised |
| 03:12.16 | pickcoder | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 03:12.24 | pickcoder | I guess that is outdated? |
| 03:12.48 | dondelelcaro | by default, yes, but you can change them to be anything you want |
| 03:12.50 | Guerin | pickcoder: no, that's exactly what I said |
| 03:13.01 | pickcoder | w/e |
| 03:13.07 | dondelelcaro | you guys are just in violent agreement |
| 03:13.12 | DawnLight | grrrr.... that convmv isn't working for me |
| 03:13.34 | DawnLight | or i'm being silly which is more likely |
| 03:14.13 | mezmiro | Being silly is fun though. |
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| 03:14.13 | DawnLight | god please help me change the filename encodings |
| 03:14.14 | karsten | pickcoder: Even RH has changed its runlevel definitions in the past few years. |
| 03:14.22 | pickcoder | karsten: I know |
| 03:14.26 | pickcoder | that's why I looked it up to be sure |
| 03:14.29 | mezmiro | To the annoyance of many RH people I'm sure. |
| 03:14.44 | DawnLight | serious god i really want to do that and i just can't seem to succeed |
| 03:15.22 | karsten | mezmiro: Well, I said something at one point, found out I was wrong, though to myself, "Self, I _really_ do believe it was that way once", and found that, yes indeed, it had been. |
| 03:15.25 | zambaroo | hey guys |
| 03:15.30 | mezmiro | lol |
| 03:15.37 | zambaroo | i wrote an init script that woks fine from a command line, but on reboot i have to hit enter in order for the script to start the service. any idea how to handle this? |
| 03:15.39 | karsten | DawnLight: change how? |
| 03:15.50 | karsten | zambaroo: Yeah. |
| 03:15.53 | karsten | zambaroo: Fix it. |
| 03:16.02 | zambaroo | other than the bleeding obvious. |
| 03:16.27 | zambaroo | k.. |
| 03:16.29 | pickcoder | zambaroo: something is expecting keyboard input |
| 03:16.43 | zambaroo | pickcoder, hey. not when i run it on the command line though. |
| 03:16.50 | pickcoder | env var |
| 03:17.14 | mezmiro | Well, I know even in Windows there are tons of functions that ask for keyboard input zambaroo. |
| 03:17.15 | zambaroo | hm |
| 03:17.19 | karsten | zambaroo: You might be able to shortcut debugging by running through cron or batch rather than rebooting. |
| 03:17.29 | mezmiro | The function might be used just to halt the program temporarily, for instance. |
| 03:17.30 | pickcoder | karsten: sometimes stating the obvious is what people need.. more than often it takes multiple times |
| 03:17.30 | zambaroo | karsten, excellent idea |
| 03:17.37 | DawnLight | karsten, i'm trying to "convmv -f utf8 -t iso-8859-8 /home/dalia --notest" and i don't really know if it did it |
| 03:17.41 | pickcoder | I'm proactive |
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| 03:18.36 | karsten | pickcoder: I'm procreative. |
| 03:18.38 | zambaroo | mezmiro, right, but the point is that on the command line the script stops and start the service without any input. i think pickcoder is onto something with that env var notion. |
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| 03:19.02 | mezmiro | hmm interesting. |
| 03:19.03 | karsten | DawnLight: Um. Not familiar with that. |
| 03:19.52 | karsten | zambaroo: You might also be able to close stdin: <&- |
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| 03:20.17 | karsten | zambaroo: ... I think. I don't use that syntax often. |
| 03:20.57 | zambaroo | karsten, thanks, i will read up on that. |
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| 03:21.21 | karsten | zambaroo: Which may throw an error. |
| 03:21.43 | karsten | zambaroo: ... but should prevent the blocking on input. |
| 03:22.54 | nomi | i've got this annoying problem with my nvidia card and gdm... whenever i reboot i have to reinstall the driver to get gdm to load. I've reviewed the logs and cant find a specific error. has anyone seen this before? or have any advice on how to fix? |
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| 03:23.20 | karsten | zambaroo: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5768 |
| 03:23.28 | nomi | oh, and im running the nvidia drivers from their site, not through apt-get... the ones on their site seem to handle beryl better |
| 03:23.41 | karsten | nomi: echo "module-name" >> /etc/modules |
| 03:23.47 | Guerin | mezmiro: larger, crikey |
| 03:23.52 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 03:23.52 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 03:24.23 | mezmiro | Guerin: Yeah I guess the release was for either dvd ripping or high res fanatics. |
| 03:24.36 | Guerin | mezmiro: you could probably downscale to something sane like 640x* at minimal loss of quality |
| 03:24.45 | Guerin | mezmiro: yeah. |
| 03:24.52 | nomi | !nvidia-installer |
| 03:24.52 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is probably a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead |
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| 03:25.07 | mezmiro | Guerin: Well, it's 1280x right now..^_^ |
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| 03:26.12 | mezmiro | I need to find some encoding tools I guess. |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin | mezmiro: ironically, it might run faster if you *increase* your monitor resolution |
| 03:26.26 | FatalErrorX | when is debian 4 going to be released? |
| 03:26.32 | Guerin | mezmiro: scaling at play time is expensive |
| 03:26.34 | FatalErrorX | stable version i mean |
| 03:26.36 | karsten | !wwr |
| 03:26.42 | mezmiro | hmm.. |
| 03:26.44 | Guerin | !date of release |
| 03:26.44 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on Sep 24, 2027. If you ask again, the date will change. Ask me about <siyh> <wir> |
| 03:26.57 | karsten | !wir |
| 03:26.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 03:27.10 | FatalErrorX | !date |
| 03:27.10 | dpkg | The current date is 2007.03.21 3:27:10 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 03:27.12 | karsten | FatalErrorX: current ballpark looks like Apri/May 2007 |
| 03:27.17 | Sazpaimon | so when I try to compile certain things I get ": multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx'" errors |
| 03:27.26 | Sazpaimon | It's happened with a few things so far |
| 03:27.26 | FatalErrorX | thanks karsten |
| 03:27.33 | Sazpaimon | is this a common thing in debian? |
| 03:27.48 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: ask in the channel of whatever language it's in |
| 03:28.16 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, I checked on google and noticed that it's mostly debian having this issue |
| 03:28.27 | mezmiro | Guerin: Okay, I'm going to try 1152x864 first and see how it goes. |
| 03:28.31 | Sazpaimon | so i figured it'd be best to ask people that were having this issue |
| 03:28.36 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: so you already know the answer to your question. Now go ask if people know how to fix it. |
| 03:29.01 | mezmiro | Guerin: That is a bit better.. Interesting. |
| 03:29.09 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:29.25 | Guerin | i found all this shit out when trying to use a celeron 450 as a video-playing box |
| 03:29.31 | mezmiro | lol |
| 03:29.46 | Guerin | it worked fine until x264 took hold |
| 03:30.05 | mezmiro | Yeah I've heard lots of bad things about x264 |
| 03:30.12 | Guerin | mostly from haters |
| 03:30.17 | mezmiro | lol |
| 03:30.19 | mezmiro | Probably. |
| 03:30.28 | Guerin | it's an awesome codec, it really has superb quality per size |
| 03:30.36 | Guerin | it's just a bit young |
| 03:31.15 | mezmiro | Hmm..so I guess it's even newer to Linux then? |
| 03:31.36 | Guerin | well, not really |
| 03:31.40 | Guerin | it was first implemented by apple, for a while it was known as `quicktime format' |
| 03:31.43 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, it looks like the solution is to upgrade to gcc 4.0, which i did, but gcc -v is still returning 3.3 |
| 03:31.50 | mezmiro | Wow, quicktime.. |
| 03:32.02 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: change the gcc symlink |
| 03:32.09 | Sazpaimon | oh right |
| 03:32.10 | mezmiro | I never would have guessed. |
| 03:32.18 | Sazpaimon | i would have thought apt would have changed that, heh |
| 03:32.29 | Guerin | the windows/linux implementation is x264 |
| 03:32.56 | Guerin | more properly, the non-crapple implementation is x264 |
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| 03:33.52 | mezmiro | Guerin: Any idea what happens with MPlayer when it gave me those errors before? |
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| 03:34.34 | mezmiro | Guerin: The "error opening/initializing -vo device" etc etc. That happens when I use the GUI for MPlayer, but it works fine from bash. |
| 03:34.36 | Guerin | mezmiro: you probably have the wrong -vo output set as default. change it in .mplayyer.rc or whatever it's called |
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| 03:35.25 | hark | or in preferences->video or something |
| 03:36.19 | amphi | mezmiro: echo vo=xv >> ~/.mplayer/config |
| 03:36.39 | amphi | mezmiro: or whatever driver you like |
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| 03:37.19 | mezmiro | Same error amphi ^_^ |
| 03:37.33 | Guerin | mezmiro: teh the gui is using some stupid config file |
| 03:37.36 | Guerin | i blame gnome |
| 03:37.40 | mezmiro | lol |
| 03:37.58 | amphi | mezmiro: just run it from a shell ;) |
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| 03:38.13 | amphi | mezmiro: I've never used any mplayer gui |
| 03:38.14 | mezmiro | butbut :( then I don't get all the spiffy buttons.. |
| 03:38.32 | mezmiro | lol, but the shell is nice too. |
| 03:38.53 | mezmiro | I still have to fix sound in mplayer too.. |
| 03:39.06 | amphi | mezmiro: pfft, buttons - for what? |
| 03:39.12 | Guerin | man, gnome is broken |
| 03:39.21 | Guerin | that shit all Just Works in the proper version |
| 03:39.50 | mezmiro | Yeah I've had so many issues with gnome... |
| 03:40.02 | hark | mezmiro: gstreamer-properties and ditch esd and use alsa |
| 03:40.06 | mezmiro | I had to reinstall all of gnome because of some stupid apt-get removing packages and whatnot. |
| 03:40.18 | markybob | ....yeah...stupid apt-get... |
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| 03:40.45 | hark | even with its super cow powers |
| 03:40.57 | mezmiro | I admit I was stupid for doing it though, heh. |
| 03:41.06 | rixxon | where do you load stuff on boot in debian? i'm used to rc-style initscript (bsd, arch) |
| 03:41.26 | hark | there's rc.local for >= etch |
| 03:41.29 | amphi | mezmiro: apt was giving you a hint, that you ignored |
| 03:42.05 | mezmiro | I saw it, and it said "keeping back packages...." and there was a list of like 100 packages. |
| 03:42.06 | markybob | rixxon, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 03:42.11 | rixxon | hark: trying to help a rookie friend who just installed latest stable debian |
| 03:42.28 | hark | or bootmisc.sh or /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 03:42.42 | mezmiro | and then I tried to apt-get some packages that I needed, but it couldn't install them due to dependency issues. |
| 03:43.13 | dondelelcaro | mezmiro: just use aptitude, and walk through the dependency graph to install what you want and pick a solution to the graph that does what you want it to do. |
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| 03:43.32 | kjxxxx | how can I upgrade my 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 |
| 03:43.33 | mezmiro | hmm dependency graph eh? New to me, interesting. |
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| 03:44.17 | parsonsd | i gotta wonder - why is it that etch wants to install libeel and libopal and ekiga? |
| 03:44.37 | parsonsd | i mean it has been a while since i updated, but what is it that now suddenly wants these? |
| 03:44.41 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: because you asked for it or something that depends upon it to be installed? |
| 03:44.50 | mezmiro | hark: Yeah I"m using alsa heh. |
| 03:45.14 | rixxon | thanks |
| 03:45.47 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro - the answer can only be the second -- how can i get it to tell me what would depend on it? I so far have figured out how to get it to tell me upon what it depends.? |
| 03:46.15 | kjxxxx | what dpkg command can I type to see upgrading the kernel |
| 03:47.01 | markybob | !2.4->2.6 |
| 03:47.01 | dpkg | i heard 2.4->2.6 is easy - just "apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6" (linux-image in etch and sid, use your favorite apt front-end) and install the relevant package for your CPU(s). |
| 03:48.00 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: the easiest way is to use aptitude and look at ekiga and the "packages which depend on ekiga" tab. |
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| 03:49.19 | mezmiro | amphi: So in the absence of a gui for mplayer, there's key commands? |
| 03:49.44 | amphi | mezmiro: yup |
| 03:49.46 | kjxxxx | what dpkg command can I type to see upgrading the kernel |
| 03:49.59 | chronographer | hi all does anyone know about java, specifically installing JAI and JAI image IO libraries in ETCH ??? |
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| 03:50.59 | mezmiro | Ahh, time to learn some good key commands then. I already figured out F! :D |
| 03:51.30 | amphi | mezmiro: 9/0 are useful ;) |
| 03:51.47 | amphi | mezmiro: +/- sometimes |
| 03:51.59 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: aptitude search 'i~DDepends:ekiga'; will also do the same |
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| 03:56.32 | jetscreamer | shhh |
| 03:57.01 | kjxxxx | how do I upgrade from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 03:57.16 | kjxxxx | I hate to have to re-intall everything |
| 03:57.58 | amphi | !tell kjxxxx about 2.4->2.6 |
| 03:58.57 | aeronadix | I have no sound for my flash player |
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| 04:00.07 | kjxxxx | thanks amphi |
| 04:01.13 | kjxxxx | except I don't get the stuff in brackets |
| 04:01.33 | kjxxxx | I did the search part and something comes up |
| 04:02.17 | amphi | kjxxxx: what version of debian are you running? |
| 04:02.41 | kjxxxx | 2.4.27 |
| 04:03.06 | kjxxxx | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 04:03.44 | amphi | kjxxxx: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 04:12.18 | dual-man | how can i switch my ports in ipmasq |
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| 04:12.26 | kjxxxx | amphi: 3.1 |
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| 04:14.06 | aeronadix | oh Lord have mercy, gimme sound for my flash player |
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| 04:14.13 | dual-man | does anyone have time to look at a iptables output and try and help me fix my problem? |
| 04:14.32 | aeronadix | dual-man, I not use if can fix, but let me see please |
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| 04:15.40 | dual-man | aeronadix: http://pastebin.ca/404666 |
| 04:16.20 | dual-man | the problem: no connection to internet from lan to external |
| 04:17.14 | aeronadix | so you are trying to set up iptables. I just used a script from internet when I did it |
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| 04:17.30 | amphi | kjxxxx: it'll be kernel-image-whatever |
| 04:17.32 | aeronadix | copied the script, made it executable, ran it, and bada bing |
| 04:17.57 | dual-man | aeronadix: no such luck for me |
| 04:18.02 | baggend | Anyone have a good way to find the IP address of eth0 from a script? Preferably without using ifconfig |grep |cut |cut |cut, etc. I was looking for a /proc entry but I couldn't find one. |
| 04:18.05 | dual-man | can u show me the script |
| 04:18.42 | aeronadix | dual-man, do I search for ipmasq |
| 04:19.15 | aeronadix | you have one computer with two nics and you want to share internet right? |
| 04:19.35 | baggend | aeronadix: Which browser and architecture are you having the flash problems on? |
| 04:19.51 | aeronadix | all browsers and I am on x86 |
| 04:20.12 | baggend | aeronadix: What do you use for sound? ALSA/OSS/ESD/Pulse/JACK? |
| 04:20.13 | aeronadix | baggend, I tried mozilla, knquourer, epiphany |
| 04:20.28 | aeronadix | baggend, not usre, either alsa or oss, how can I find that out? |
| 04:20.44 | mezmiro | Hmm..when would alsa-utils be started up in Debian? |
| 04:21.11 | mezmiro | Or rather, where? #alsa is telling me alsa-utils should automatically load on Debian, and it doesn't on my computer, so I'm not sure where it would be. |
| 04:21.12 | dual-man | aeronadix: yes, two nics |
| 04:21.21 | baggend | aeronadix: Do you have a /dev/snd directory with things in it? |
| 04:21.25 | wols | dual-man: switch ports? |
| 04:22.01 | aeronadix | baggend, controlC0 timer. I have sound otherwise, just for flash player it doesn't work |
| 04:22.19 | wols | aeronadix: do you have alsa oss emulation working? |
| 04:22.19 | aeronadix | baggend, just those two things in /dev/snd |
| 04:22.29 | baggend | mezmiro: You should have a /etc/init.d/alsa-utils script symlinked in one of your rc directories. If not, it wouldn't start. |
| 04:22.37 | dual-man | wols: i thought my eth0 and eth1 might be mixed up |
| 04:22.38 | aeronadix | wols, not sure what I am using. But sound works. How can I get that info? |
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| 04:22.49 | wols | aeronadix: lsmod |
| 04:23.00 | wols | flash uses /dev/dsp for sound IIRC |
| 04:23.02 | dual-man | wols: did you take a look at that pastebin? |
| 04:23.13 | wols | dual-man: no |
| 04:23.18 | baggend | aeronadix: Ok, you're probably using OSS then. Oh, and btw, which version of Flash are you running? |
| 04:23.29 | hark | baggend: ip -4 addr show eth0 | grep 'inet ' | awk '{print $2}' | cut -d/ -f1 |
| 04:23.35 | aeronadix | baggend, I upgraded to 9, but I was having same trouble with 7 |
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| 04:23.51 | aeronadix | wols, I did lsmod, but I still can't tell if I am using oss or alsa |
| 04:23.56 | rixxon | what is the correct way to grant a user access to sudo |
| 04:24.06 | rixxon | debian doesn't have a wheel group right? |
| 04:24.08 | baggend | hark: A few more pipes than I had hoped for but it'll work. Thanks. :) |
| 04:24.23 | parsonsd | aeronadix : try lsmod | grep alsa, or grep oss |
| 04:24.29 | mezmiro | baggend: rc2.d ? |
| 04:24.33 | hark | flash 9 uses alsa |
| 04:24.36 | ftp3 | I am trying to use IP Tables to forward all port 80 requests to port 3120. I tried iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 3120 <- but it does not work |
| 04:24.40 | ftp3 | anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
| 04:24.46 | baggend | aeronadix: It sounds like you're using OSS, and you need to use ALSA with Flash 9. |
| 04:24.50 | aeronadix | parsonsd, neither then |
| 04:24.57 | parsonsd | oh |
| 04:25.14 | aeronadix | baggend, how do you switch? |
| 04:25.14 | hark | etch? |
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| 04:25.44 | dual-man | it seems the gateway is accepting the connections from internal, but there is no traffic showing in the porward section |
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| 04:25.48 | baggend | mezmiro: On my system it's in rcS.d, S50alsa-utils |
| 04:25.55 | mezmiro | Ahh okay. |
| 04:26.04 | baggend | aeronadix: You'll need to load the appropriate ALSA modules for your sound card. |
| 04:26.07 | aeronadix | maybe I should upgrade my kernel to 2.6.20 |
| 04:26.13 | aeronadix | baggend, hmm |
| 04:26.16 | hark | huh |
| 04:26.16 | baggend | aeronadix: Which kernel are you using now? |
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| 04:26.21 | dual-man | *forward |
| 04:26.31 | aeronadix | baggend, 2.6.8 |
| 04:26.52 | maasha | i am looking for a tool/suite for doing some scientific cross tabulations and plotting. ideas? |
| 04:26.59 | parsonsd | aeronadix : what do you get when `lsmod | grep snd`? |
| 04:27.00 | ftp3 | anyone? |
| 04:27.03 | hark | !alsa one-liner |
| 04:27.03 | aeronadix | baggend, I tried upgrading, but I got kernel panick. I think I need to do some init kernel thingy when I do the make |
| 04:27.03 | dpkg | [alsa one-liner] apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 04:27.03 | baggend | aeronadix: Well, it certainly wouldn't hurt to get a newer kernel. 2.6.18 or later would be good. |
| 04:27.22 | dual-man | does 0.0.0.0/0 match to all ip addresses? |
| 04:27.29 | baggend | aeronadix: Did you use the pre-packaged Debian kernel? |
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| 04:27.37 | hark | aeronadix: ran alsaconf? |
| 04:27.51 | aeronadix | baggend, I used it from kernel.org, and then I used the debian make way |
| 04:28.02 | aeronadix | hark, nope, thanks, let me try that |
| 04:28.25 | baggend | aeronadix: I'd suggest using a pre-built Debian kernel. You'll save yourself a lot of time and trouble. |
| 04:28.26 | Guerin | aeronadix: it all hinges on your build. |
| 04:28.37 | Guerin | aeronadix: if you did it right, then it should work. If not, not. |
| 04:28.40 | aeronadix | baggend, I did the make-kpkg kernel_image but I didnt do a init thing |
| 04:28.50 | hark | aeronadix: and then /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
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| 04:28.59 | aeronadix | baggend, is there a new kernel there in apt-get? |
| 04:29.22 | Guerin | aeronadix: why noi\t check? |
| 04:29.46 | baggend | aeronadix: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 04:29.55 | aeronadix | hark, ok, I am gonna do an apt-get install of alsa, and then I guess it will remove my oss or whatever I have |
| 04:30.01 | aeronadix | Guerin, what do you mean |
| 04:30.30 | Guerin | aeronadix: it's fewer keystrokes to run `aptitude searchlinux-image' than to ask your question |
| 04:30.35 | mezmiro | baggend: Any idea what the contents of rc5.d/S50alsa-utils should be? |
| 04:30.35 | baggend | aeronadix: That'll show you which kernel packages are available in your release right now. I run sid and 2.6.18 is the newest pre-packaged version. |
| 04:30.49 | baggend | mezmiro: It should be a symlink to /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 04:31.04 | hark | he's on sarge |
| 04:31.10 | mezmiro | lol, how would I do a symlink? |
| 04:31.18 | mezmiro | I'm still new to rc files ^_^ |
| 04:31.20 | aeronadix | when I do apt-cache search, 2.6.8 is the newest kernel available, and also, for alsa, the lates is for 2.4 kernel |
| 04:31.23 | mezmiro | and shell scripting in general. |
| 04:31.24 | Guerin | mezmiro: man ln |
| 04:31.32 | mezmiro | :) |
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| 04:31.41 | Guerin | aeronadix: alsa is in all 2.6 kernels |
| 04:32.02 | baggend | mezmiro: Before you go too far, make sure that /etc/init.d/alsa-utils is there and that it works. Try "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils start" for example. If that works then we'll worry about getting it to run at boot. :) |
| 04:33.08 | aeronadix | baggend, how can I tell which I am running? |
| 04:33.29 | mezmiro | It starts :) |
| 04:33.40 | baggend | aeronadix: Sorry, which what? :) |
| 04:34.03 | aeronadix | baggend, etch or sid, or woody? |
| 04:34.35 | hark | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:34.46 | aeronadix | When I do apt-cache search kernel-image, I see 2.6.8 as the latest, but when I do aptitude search kernel-image there is the 2.6.20 there |
| 04:35.16 | baggend | aeronadix: Or check in /etc/apt/sources.list. It's the name right after the deb URL bit. |
| 04:35.20 | aeronadix | hark, say 3.1 |
| 04:35.36 | hark | sarge |
| 04:35.45 | aeronadix | baggend, oh yeah, I am running sarge |
| 04:36.03 | mezmiro | So.. ln -s /etc/init.d/alsa-utils ? |
| 04:36.15 | mezmiro | Or do I need to start the service as well? |
| 04:36.32 | aeronadix | so how come you guys telling me to search linux image which yields nothing; don't you guys mean kernel-image? |
| 04:36.34 | hark | wtf |
| 04:36.47 | aeronadix | hark, oh yeah it sarge |
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| 04:36.51 | baggend | mezmiro: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start already started it for you. :) |
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| 04:37.06 | baggend | mezmiro: It just won't do it after reboot unless you set up the rc links properly. |
| 04:37.40 | aeronadix | oh you know what, that 2.6.20 is the one I downloaded from kernel.org |
| 04:37.47 | baggend | aeronadix: Sorry about that. The naming convention switched to linux-image a while ago, but as you're still using sarge you'll still have "kernel-image" |
| 04:37.52 | aeronadix | so 2.6.8 is the latest kernel for sarge I guess? |
| 04:37.58 | hark | aeronadix: not you ;) but you have the latest sarge kernel anyway |
| 04:38.12 | aeronadix | baggend, what is latest now then, sid? |
| 04:38.18 | mezmiro | baggend: So once I set up the link, how do I start it? |
| 04:38.32 | aeronadix | so how can I upgrade to the latest debian and get a new kernel |
| 04:38.43 | baggend | aeronadix: sid is always the latest. But it's also known as "unstable". :) (Though it's usually not. I run sid systems exclusively.) |
| 04:39.01 | aeronadix | so sarge is still the latest stable version? |
| 04:39.06 | hark | sarge is the latest debian release |
| 04:39.14 | baggend | mezmiro: You don't. As soon as the computer boots it reads the rc*.d directories and starts things as necessary by looking for S* symlinks. |
| 04:39.20 | aeronadix | so how come the kernel is so far behind |
| 04:39.28 | mezmiro | Ahh I see. |
| 04:39.37 | zambaroo | found the problem, this is rhel specific, it turns out. |
| 04:39.37 | hark | though if on a desktop, you can upgrade to etch.. fairly stable |
| 04:39.50 | amphi | aeronadix: sarge is somewhat old |
| 04:39.55 | zambaroo | selinux doesnt like su, it wants runuser |
| 04:39.57 | baggend | aeronadix: Well, "stable" in Debian means VERY stable. Unless you're running a production server you probably don't want to use stable. |
| 04:40.24 | baggend | aeronadix: etch or sid would be a good choice. etch is safe, sid is (relatively) up to date. If you really want to have some fun you add in experimental for a bit of spice. :) |
| 04:40.31 | aeronadix | I see, so is it easy to upgrade to sid |
| 04:40.46 | aeronadix | baggend, etch is more stable than sid? |
| 04:40.51 | amphi | aeronadix: I would start with testing ;) |
| 04:41.09 | baggend | aeronadix: Yup. Just open your /etc/apt/sources.list and change the either "stable" or "sarge" (whichever appears) to "sid" or "unstable" (your choice). |
| 04:41.13 | kjxxxx | I can't get the "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8.11-amd64-k8 |
| 04:41.17 | baggend | aeronadix: I'd second amphi's recommendation though. |
| 04:41.36 | hark | !slink->sid |
| 04:41.37 | dpkg | methinks slink->sid is don't even try this it won't work, see slink->potato then potato->sid |
| 04:41.37 | baggend | aeronadix: Try etch. If you get everything installed ok, then you can start thinking about sid if you need it. :) |
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| 04:41.58 | aeronadix | Alright gentlement, I am embarking into the etch reahlm |
| 04:42.18 | aeronadix | so, I have to reinstall X and everything else too? |
| 04:42.20 | hark | read the etch release notes and /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 04:42.22 | baggend | aeronadix: Good luck. Depending on your connection speed, we'll see you in a few hours. :) |
| 04:42.26 | kjxxxx | its listed as one of the 2.6 kernels and it is saying "couldn't find package kernel-image |
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| 04:43.06 | hark | aeronadix: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:43.17 | baggend | kjxxxx: apt-get update |
| 04:43.22 | aeronadix | well I think I should do it cause when I do an apt-cache search for alsa, alsa-modules-2.4 is the latest there, I don't see 2.6 |
| 04:43.22 | baggend | kjxxxx: then try it again |
| 04:43.36 | baggend | aeronadix: ALSA is built in to the 2.6 series kernels. |
| 04:43.44 | squisher | mezmiro: actually, it's ln -s /etc/init.d/alsa-utils S50alsa-utils |
| 04:43.52 | mezmiro | Ahh! |
| 04:43.57 | aeronadix | baggend, I see, so its just a question of insmod |
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| 04:44.17 | baggend | aeronadix: Yup. Though you should be using modprobe instead of insmod and rmmod nowadays. |
| 04:44.20 | aeronadix | baggend, no not insmod. How do I run alsa instead of what I am already running |
| 04:44.34 | mezmiro | Runlevels are spiffy! |
| 04:44.36 | baggend | aeronadix: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 04:44.38 | aeronadix | baggend, well if its built into kernel, then its not a module, eh? |
| 04:44.39 | hark | aeronadix: install asla-base alsa-utils and run alsaconf as root |
| 04:44.56 | baggend | aeronadix: Ok, it's part of the kernel, not really "built-in". They're modules. :) |
| 04:45.18 | baggend | aeronadix: But modules that come with the base kernel distribution, so you don't have to add them later. |
| 04:46.12 | aeronadix | so what will be noticeable differences in my system when I move from sarge to etch |
| 04:46.22 | baggend | mezmiro: Usually I hear things along the lines of "*!#$ $*#!@%^ runlevels!" |
| 04:46.36 | mezmiro | lol |
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| 04:46.51 | baggend | aeronadix: Depends on what packages you have installed at the moment, but the changes will be pretty huge. |
| 04:47.01 | mezmiro | Well, it's a switch to anything else I've seen (as in Windows). |
| 04:47.02 | aeronadix | how about visually? |
| 04:47.02 | baggend | aeronadix: About 2 years worth of updates huge. |
| 04:47.15 | mezmiro | It's an interesting way to boot up a system. |
| 04:47.26 | aeronadix | alsaconf says better turn off all applications. |
| 04:47.31 | aeronadix | do I gotta? |
| 04:47.43 | mezmiro | It'll shut off most of them for you, but some of them it won't. |
| 04:47.48 | baggend | aeronadix: Depends on what you're running. If you're using Gnome or KDE you'll probably notice quite a difference. |
| 04:47.59 | kjxxxx | baggend I did the upgrade and then run the install again and still come up with can't find package |
| 04:48.16 | mezmiro | Maybe the folks in #alsa could answer that better though aeronadix. |
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| 04:48.49 | baggend | kjxxxx: Are you running sarge? |
| 04:49.15 | rixxon | what's up with my friends apt, there's no htop, there's no vim...? |
| 04:49.26 | rixxon | basic packages are missing |
| 04:49.40 | hark | check the sources.list |
| 04:49.50 | aeronadix | how do I save all this chatting? |
| 04:49.51 | wols | neither htop nor vim is basic |
| 04:49.55 | hark | aeronadix: just run it... |
| 04:50.00 | rixxon | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 04:50.10 | aeronadix | I am running alsa now |
| 04:50.19 | rixxon | hark: what else would he want? |
| 04:50.33 | hark | rixxon: that's all? |
| 04:50.38 | rixxon | hark: well yep |
| 04:50.50 | kjxxxx | how do I check if its sarge? |
| 04:51.03 | hark | that's just for security updates |
| 04:51.05 | wols | kjxxxx: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 04:51.13 | hark | rixxon: run apt-setup |
| 04:51.17 | wols | kjxxxx: the version says "sarge" |
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| 04:51.34 | rixxon | hark: command not found :p |
| 04:51.39 | hark | as root |
| 04:51.46 | rixxon | i did |
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| 04:51.56 | lkthomas | guys |
| 04:51.58 | lkthomas | what's the diff between stunnel + apache and apache-ssl ? |
| 04:52.00 | rixxon | hm, had to sudo -i |
| 04:52.02 | kjxxxx | dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 04:52.02 | dpkg | ii libc6|tail -1 2.4-4.1 kjxxxx's private gamp collection |
| 04:52.26 | wols | hark: he might run etch |
| 04:52.52 | baggend | lkthomas: apache-ssl will handle most ssl stuff internally. Unless you need ssl for other things that don't have it by default (some mail servers, etc) you probably don't want to mess with stunnel. |
| 04:53.00 | hark | rixxon: well? |
| 04:53.23 | Guerin | 300 |
| 04:53.30 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:53.33 | Guerin | ECHAN |
| 04:53.47 | lkthomas | baggend, well, we just want two two server communicate without using VPN |
| 04:53.56 | lkthomas | baggend, both are internal server |
| 04:54.04 | mezmiro | Hmm..how do you delete directories in Debian? |
| 04:54.08 | mezmiro | err bash* |
| 04:54.13 | Guerin | man rm |
| 04:54.17 | hark | rmdir or rm -r |
| 04:54.19 | wols | Guerin: what are this funny "E"s you throw around? you're worse than SCO! |
| 04:54.21 | mezmiro | ahh rmdir |
| 04:54.23 | baggend | lkthomas: You want them to communicate using what? HTTP? |
| 04:54.31 | Guerin | wols: Error |
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| 04:54.44 | squisher | mezmiro: be careful with rm -r , as it can delete stuff without questioning by default |
| 04:54.51 | mezmiro | :) |
| 04:54.57 | wols | Guerin: I know what they usually are, but I can't find yours in any header file here |
| 04:55.08 | wols | didn't you mommy tell you, you have to #define them first before using? |
| 04:55.09 | mezmiro | I tried to rm a dir and it said "cannot delete dir" so I did rm /*.* and that worked, hehe. |
| 04:55.29 | wols | mezmiro: that didn't delete it either |
| 04:55.41 | baggend | Be particularly careful of typing before thinking when using rm. 'rm -rf /usr/bin' is a REALLY bad idea... not that I speak from experience of course... *cougs* |
| 04:55.49 | mezmiro | lol |
| 04:55.57 | hark | mezmiro: man rm .. really |
| 04:56.43 | mezmiro | Woah, powerful.. |
| 04:57.06 | Guerin | wols: you need guerin.h |
| 04:57.14 | Guerin | wols: abtitude install libguerin |
| 04:57.34 | liquidfx | mezmiro, here's a nice directory for you ... http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/ |
| 04:57.44 | wols | -bash: abtitude: command not found |
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| 04:57.49 | mezmiro | lol |
| 04:57.56 | mezmiro | abtitude, for all your exercising needs |
| 04:57.58 | Guerin | wols: install guerin-bin ;) |
| 04:58.02 | wols | Guerin: so what is the repostiory I can get libguerin and this all important abtitude? |
| 04:58.08 | lkthomas | baggend, yep |
| 04:58.10 | wols | and guerin-bin of course |
| 04:58.16 | lkthomas | baggend, HTTP |
| 04:58.29 | mezmiro | Sweetness! That's a nice directory liquidfx |
| 04:58.32 | wols | I hope it's not experimental, since I'm angsty about experimental software |
| 04:58.32 | Guerin | wols: deb http://127.0.0.1/ guerin # worksforme |
| 04:58.36 | wols | it's so termperamental |
| 04:58.37 | liquidfx | np |
| 04:58.46 | Guerin | it is somewhat temperamental |
| 04:58.53 | wols | that's what I feared |
| 04:59.16 | wols | and I heard very experimental. there's only one prototype of that software |
| 04:59.19 | baggend | lkthomas: Well, if you really want bidirectional communication between two servers, apache isn't going to do it for you. apache will serve pages, but it won't pull them from another server. |
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| 04:59.22 | wols | I'm not even sure it has left beta yet |
| 04:59.24 | baggend | lkthomas: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 04:59.30 | Guerin | wols: definitely not |
| 04:59.31 | xfa | Is there a way to print only the line number X of a file ? cat ? |
| 04:59.40 | dondelelcaro | xfa: head or tail |
| 04:59.45 | Guerin | wols: a fork is planned for the future |
| 04:59.53 | lkthomas | baggend, well, two server which is communicating with private data |
| 05:00.03 | aeronadix | alsa did it my friends, thanks a million |
| 05:00.19 | wols | Guerin: one with 2 parent processes? If so, I hope the fork gets most of itself from the less temperamental of the two |
| 05:00.31 | xfa | <dondelelcaro> : I want just 1 line |
| 05:00.38 | Guerin | wols: you should see the other half of the code. |
| 05:00.38 | rixxon | hark: all well, got htop and vim, says i have access to ~15k pkgs. but not irssi? |
| 05:00.43 | baggend | lkthomas: Ok, but what do you mean by communicating? They need to send data back and forth to each other? And is it stream data, or are you transferring files, etc? |
| 05:00.44 | dondelelcaro | xfa: which is why you use head or tail depending on what line you want |
| 05:00.44 | kjxxxx | this shit is taking too long to figure out how to upgrade ' |
| 05:00.47 | wols | lkthomas: what do they communicate? SOAP? xmlrpc? |
| 05:00.55 | kjxxxx | should not be this freaking hard |
| 05:00.55 | lkthomas | baggend, back and forth, yes |
| 05:01.02 | wols | kjxxxx: it isn't |
| 05:01.03 | lkthomas | wols, well, pure html |
| 05:01.11 | xfa | <dondelelcaro> : I want the line number 5 of test.txt |
| 05:01.16 | Guerin | lkthomas: use apache with ssl |
| 05:01.18 | Guerin | simple |
| 05:01.23 | wols | lkthomas: doesn't answer my question |
| 05:01.23 | dondelelcaro | xfa: then head -n 5 |tail -n 1 |
| 05:01.27 | dondelelcaro | xfa: man head man tail |
| 05:01.28 | baggend | kjxxxx: http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 05:01.43 | baggend | kjxxxx: Download the package, then run "dpkg -i <packagename>" |
| 05:01.44 | xfa | <dondelelcaro> : thanks !!! you are smart |
| 05:01.55 | Guerin | understatement of the day |
| 05:02.06 | kjxxxx | shouldn't apt-get download it |
| 05:02.25 | wols | kjxxxx: depends. if you installed amd64: yes |
| 05:02.30 | wols | if you installed i386:no |
| 05:02.55 | hark | irssi-text |
| 05:02.56 | baggend | lkthomas: If you want to send data back and forth you should probably look at a protocol other than HTTP, for starters. But if you have to use it, then probably your easiest choice (though not necessarily best) would be to use an ssh tunnel. |
| 05:03.03 | wols | hmm.. whaddayaknow I have it in my i386 repo too |
| 05:03.08 | kjxxxx | shit I think I did install the i386 |
| 05:03.13 | hark | rixxon: irssi-text |
| 05:03.17 | kjxxxx | but I have a AMD processor |
| 05:03.24 | Guerin | kjxxxx: good. |
| 05:03.33 | wols | kjxxxx: don't worry, you did the right thing |
| 05:03.41 | baggend | kjxxxx: That's fine, i386 will work on an AMD processor. |
| 05:04.11 | kjxxxx | so I should upgrade to the same i386? |
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| 05:04.32 | wols | kjxxxx: apt-cache search amd64 |
| 05:04.39 | wols | either that shows a kernel-image or it doesn't |
| 05:05.01 | wols | if it doesn't do what baggend told you and download it from packages.debian.org |
| 05:05.07 | wols | of it does, simply apt-get it |
| 05:06.05 | Dewi | anyone know why newer packages on backports.org say "+etch1" in them? |
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| 05:06.15 | mezmiro | So, I downloaded a program that can split and join parts of files called HJSplit. |
| 05:06.17 | led_manufacturin | JO |
| 05:06.24 | lkthomas | baggend, right, ssh is painless |
| 05:06.24 | Guerin | um |
| 05:06.29 | wols | Dewi: could be a later vresion than is in etch |
| 05:06.32 | Guerin | mezmiro: is it anything like split(1)? |
| 05:06.37 | wols | preparation for whene tch needs/wants backports |
| 05:06.44 | mezmiro | This program requires a library to be installed, but when I run the program it says..: ./HJSplitLX: symbol lookup error: ./HJSplitLX: undefined symbol: initPAnsiStrings Any ideas what's going on? |
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| 05:06.53 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:06.58 | Guerin | rule 1: |
| 05:07.08 | Guerin | don't install random shit off the intarwebs on your debian box |
| 05:07.10 | wols | "guerin is always right" |
| 05:07.19 | mezmiro | lol, I used it on Windows. |
| 05:07.20 | Guerin | wols: skipping the obvious ones |
| 05:07.29 | Guerin | mezmiro: what does it do? |
| 05:07.38 | wols | mezmiro: even more reason not to install it |
| 05:07.48 | mezmiro | It splits and joins files, and has a nifty checksum utility. |
| 05:07.49 | zambaroo | ya'all seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 |
| 05:07.50 | dondelelcaro | why in the world would you run a random bit of code called of all things HJSplitLX? |
| 05:07.54 | zambaroo | kill dash nine hehe |
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| 05:08.02 | Guerin | mezmiro: ok |
| 05:08.15 | Guerin | mezmiro: there are two tools which do that on your system already called split and cat |
| 05:08.15 | wols | "LX" reminds me of some old executable format. OS/2 1.x files perhaps? |
| 05:08.23 | dondelelcaro | mezmiro: if you want to split and join files with checksum, use split, cat, and and mdsum |
| 05:08.28 | dondelelcaro | s/md/md5 |
| 05:08.28 | mezmiro | I'm not sure about the functionality of split(1), but some large files are distributed via the .001,.002,.00x, etc. |
| 05:08.29 | wols | Guerin: plus md5sum for checksums |
| 05:08.30 | Guerin | mezmiro: or you can use tar or any number of tried-and-true utilities |
| 05:08.35 | Guerin | wols: yes. |
| 05:08.43 | mezmiro | The thing is, I need to join files which were split by HJSplit. |
| 05:08.51 | Supaplex | ewpz |
| 05:09.01 | mezmiro | and I'm not sure if split(1) will work in the same way. You know what I mean? |
| 05:09.04 | Guerin | mezmiro: par and par2 are also pretty cool - and csplit is particularly good for text splitting |
| 05:09.08 | Guerin | mezmiro: no. |
| 05:09.20 | dondelelcaro | this would be YA reason why you should use split instead of some random split tool |
| 05:09.37 | Guerin | mezmiro: try cafile.001 file.002 ... file.00n and see if it makes a functional file |
| 05:09.38 | dondelelcaro | anyway, best of luck. |
| 05:09.43 | mezmiro | lol |
| 05:09.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:09.50 | mezmiro | Okay I guess I'll wing it. |
| 05:09.54 | Guerin | cat file, not cafile |
| 05:09.59 | mezmiro | I was thinking HJSplit put some headers in there, but okay. |
| 05:10.14 | Guerin | this typo brought to you by Shogun, who insists on snuggles |
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| 05:10.56 | baggend | mezmiro: don't forget > newfilename at the end of that command line or you'll get a bunch of garbage printed to your screen |
| 05:11.06 | Guerin | oh, true |
| 05:11.26 | aeronadix | do I have to upgrade my kernel before I can do a dist upgrade? |
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| 05:11.35 | mezmiro | nope aeronadix |
| 05:12.06 | Guerin | aeronadix: maybe. |
| 05:12.07 | mezmiro | ! |
| 05:12.07 | Guerin | aeronadix: usually not, you may have to do so *during* the upgrade |
| 05:12.08 | Guerin | as in, the upgrade may force you to uninstall your running kernel |
| 05:12.16 | aeronadix | what about his: libfam0c102: Conflicts: libfam0 but 2.7.0-12 is to be installed. |
| 05:12.19 | Guerin | this is quite safe, as long as you install and boot a new one |
| 05:12.41 | aeronadix | *this |
| 05:12.51 | Guerin | aeronadix: before trying to upgrade, uninstall anything you don't utterly need |
| 05:12.55 | Guerin | it makes things much easuier, and you can always reinstall later |
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| 05:13.46 | aeronadix | Guerin, I wouldn't no where to begin |
| 05:13.50 | aeronadix | *know |
| 05:14.00 | Guerin | aeronadix: begin with things which cause errors like the one you just posted |
| 05:14.09 | aeronadix | Guerin, hehe, go one, ok |
| 05:14.17 | aeronadix | *good one |
| 05:14.56 | Supaplex | keep a recsue cd handy |
| 05:15.28 | aeronadix | Supaplex, well, I got 2.4 here still, so I will boot that if anything goes nuts |
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| 05:16.53 | hark | didn't you have 2.6.8? |
| 05:17.56 | nvz | chickens do have feathers right? |
| 05:18.08 | Supaplex | not when I eat them |
| 05:19.05 | mezmiro | Does anyone know a browser that allows browser identification spoofing? |
| 05:19.08 | baggend | nvz: I'm not sure about that one, try 'dpkg -c chickens.deb |grep feathers' and see what you get. :) |
| 05:19.21 | baggend | mezmiro: All of 'em do. |
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| 05:19.47 | mezmiro | Hmm..how do I do it in IceWeasel? |
| 05:19.53 | litage | besides directing a packet through iptables' LOG chain, what would cause iptables to generate a log message? |
| 05:19.54 | londe | how do i find out the version of the compiler that is used to generate my kernel? |
| 05:19.56 | hark | about:config |
| 05:20.15 | hark | cat /proc/version |
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| 05:21.01 | Guerin | mezmiro: there are various addons for it |
| 05:21.14 | Guerin | londe: klogd |
| 05:21.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:21.17 | Guerin | litage: |
| 05:21.29 | Guerin | litage: ask dpkg about it |
| 05:21.40 | baggend | mezmiro: http://www.geticeweasel.org/useragent/ |
| 05:21.52 | hark | mezmiro: there's the user agent switcher extension which makes it easy |
| 05:22.05 | mezmiro | Hmm..have any of you used rapidshare on IceWeasel? |
| 05:22.11 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:22.14 | Guerin | it's shite |
| 05:22.24 | mezmiro | Yeah it's not working for me x.x |
| 05:22.24 | Guerin | but does work |
| 05:22.27 | hark | rapidshare is too |
| 05:22.33 | Wyzard | It's worked for me too |
| 05:22.40 | kjxxxx | How do I get the also sound to work |
| 05:22.47 | mezmiro | Interesting |
| 05:22.59 | litage | Guerin: yeah, i've been running syslog-ng for over a year now. what about klogd though? |
| 05:23.11 | kjxxxx | what is the IRC program that comes with the basic installation? |
| 05:23.11 | londe | Guerin: hark's way give the info. the gcc used for my kernel is diff fr the gcc in the system, i suspect this give rise to a problem i am having. should i recompile the kernel fr source? |
| 05:23.20 | kjxxxx | I need to get off this windows box |
| 05:23.21 | Guerin | londe: no. |
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| 05:23.31 | Guerin | londe: install the old gcc, if you can |
| 05:23.38 | Guerin | rebuilding your kernel is a last resort |
| 05:23.54 | Guerin | kjxxxx: there is none. install and run irssi-text |
| 05:24.15 | londe | Guerin: that would definitely be easier. will give it a try. thks. |
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| 05:24.42 | Guerin | londe: snapshot.debian.net is your friend |
| 05:24.52 | londe | k |
| 05:25.10 | baggend | warez.debian.net is MY friend... :) |
| 05:25.25 | baggend | Well, at least when I'm developing... :) |
| 05:25.29 | mezmiro | Ahh now it works.. |
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| 05:31.15 | kjxxxx | man. My girl is not a fan of this linux thing |
| 05:31.33 | kjxxxx | she cussing my ass for spending too much time on it |
| 05:31.58 | kjxxxx | I have 4 boxes I am trying to get it to work on properly |
| 05:32.05 | kjxxxx | on so my kid can use it |
| 05:32.22 | kjxxxx | I can't get the sound working on it |
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| 05:35.18 | kjxxxx | sunday it worked with ALSa upgrade then when I rebooted it stopped |
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| 05:38.38 | xinming | anyone here can tell me why isn't ~/.xprofile supported by debian? |
| 05:38.57 | londe | Guerin: if i want gcc-4.1.1-13, how to use snapshot to get it? |
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| 05:39.13 | Guerin | londe: search snapshot |
| 05:39.21 | Guerin | londe: you may have to build it |
| 05:39.23 | CJLucas_ | why does mplayer need libs for x11? |
| 05:39.37 | londe | Guerin: searched snapshot but its not there. |
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| 05:40.00 | Guerin | londe: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:40.43 | baggend | CJLucas_: Probably because the default mplayer build has XV support (among other things). |
| 05:40.59 | CJLucas_ | oh ok |
| 05:42.42 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:42.58 | Guerin | you can install/build it without x |
| 05:43.12 | Guerin | though I'm not sure the nogui package is in debian |
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| 05:48.04 | roger21 | how i copy/select text in links2 ? |
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| 05:48.20 | Gokee2 | How do I make a pin to etch? "Pin: release o=Debian,v=etch" does not seem to work |
| 05:48.31 | wols | roger21: do you have a mouse? use gpm then |
| 05:48.52 | roger21 | i do, i use but it doesn't selct |
| 05:48.53 | roger21 | e |
| 05:49.29 | wols | !tell Gokee2 about pinning |
| 05:49.50 | roger21 | it just highlight/go to links |
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| 05:59.53 | Gokee2 | wols, So I gather from dpkg and the sites that I can`t pin to etch I need to pin to testing or a version number... So I need to pin to "Pin: release v=4.0*"? |
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| 06:01.46 | Gokee2 | wols, But that pin does not seem to work if I go to "apt-cache policy" and look |
| 06:02.19 | Gokee2 | So what DO I need to pin to? |
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| 06:04.09 | unlink | why is my hard drive chirping at me? |
| 06:04.24 | Gokee2 | unlink, Because its failing :) |
| 06:04.26 | unlink | when it's reading/writing |
| 06:04.33 | unlink | should i RMA it? |
| 06:04.38 | jpin | how can i know the current running xorg version ? |
| 06:04.45 | jpin | (in my system) |
| 06:04.47 | scv | unlink: WD? Seagate? |
| 06:04.51 | unlink | scv: seagate |
| 06:04.57 | scv | lolllllllllllllll |
| 06:05.11 | unlink | ? |
| 06:05.17 | scv | nothing |
| 06:05.29 | Gokee2 | unlink, I would, if you can I would... All the drives I have had start making chirping have died not too long after |
| 06:06.34 | Gokee2 | If nothing else make sure stuff you can`t live without it backed up |
| 06:06.53 | unlink | it's a backup drive |
| 06:06.54 | unlink | haha |
| 06:07.06 | scv | lol + lol |
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| 06:14.06 | unlink | is there a way to get the hard drive's serial number from software? |
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| 06:14.34 | colera | what repository do i have to install to get java and javac? |
| 06:14.48 | unlink | when it's an external drive (USB) |
| 06:15.15 | Gokee2 | Ah only stable seems to have a v number listed in apt-cache policy... And it does not say etch anywhere! So how should I pin to it? |
| 06:16.11 | hark | colera: /msg dpkg install java |
| 06:17.59 | Gokee2 | unlink, Thats easy! Just buy a kit to make a robot, make one with a screwdriver, video camra, arms, hands, wheels, and a good cpu. Do some fancy programing to make it open up the hard drive, take a pic of the # and close the drive. Then use ocr to read the pic! :) |
| 06:18.54 | unlink | hmm |
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| 06:19.35 | hark | unlink: hwinfo --disk |
| 06:19.43 | lkthomas | any freenode admin around ? |
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| 06:21.10 | hark | lkthomas: #freenode or #freenode-social |
| 06:21.29 | lkthomas | hark, no one around |
| 06:22.00 | unlink | hark: DEF10C934329 isn't a real seagate serial number |
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| 06:23.48 | scv | unlink: is it just a random UUID of the partition? |
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| 06:26.21 | hark | hmm, right |
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| 06:29.13 | retard | help...i cant make my intel 915gm work... :( |
| 06:29.32 | retard | i added i810 in my xfree config but it doesnt work at all |
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| 06:29.48 | retard | right now i use vesa which works only at 640x480 |
| 06:30.17 | retard | i enabled the agpgart for intel and drm for i915 in the kernel |
| 06:30.35 | retard | i looked around in some forums too... |
| 06:30.40 | hark | unlink: works for me... hdparm -i or smartctl -a also give it |
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| 06:31.09 | hark | unlink: you can check with http://support.seagate.com/customer/warranty_validation.jsp |
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| 06:31.51 | hark | retard: what error do you get with i810? |
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| 06:32.43 | hark | btw, it's 8 characters in length |
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| 06:33.38 | hark | so does lshw |
| 06:33.50 | scv | i am curios, is there fake |
| 06:33.54 | scv | sorry |
| 06:34.11 | scv | i am curios, are there fake seagate hdds? |
| 06:34.24 | scv | o.o |
| 06:34.47 | scv | I mean... a phony seagate hdd |
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| 06:35.14 | Wyzard | Not that I've ever heard of |
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| 06:35.48 | bh | Anybody here know how to install dspam with exim4 ? |
| 06:35.59 | Wyzard | I own eleven Seagate hard drives and I'm pretty sure they're all authentic :-) |
| 06:36.01 | Guerin | bh: is dspam even in debian? |
| 06:36.09 | Guerin | i thought it was a bsd thing |
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| 06:36.15 | bh | should I use the package or compile it from scratch ? |
| 06:36.22 | bh | Guerin, yes, it's in Debian |
| 06:36.27 | Guerin | bh: if it's in debian, *always* use the packeg |
| 06:36.27 | bh | I don't know which version though |
| 06:36.32 | hark | dspam-doc or /usr/share/doc/dspam |
| 06:36.43 | bh | hark, is that decent documentation ? |
| 06:36.49 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 06:38.37 | hark | bh: one way to find out.. |
| 06:38.59 | bh | yeah, doesn't look like I have much of a choice |
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| 06:40.49 | bh | hark, the freaky thing about it is that it is still referring to compiling the package |
| 06:41.06 | bh | I just installed the package as is so that's confusing |
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| 06:51.50 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 06:51.50 | dpkg | [qotd99] <t-jack> I have a 17-inch dysfunctional $Piece_Of_Hardware... |
| 06:51.50 | unlink | damnnnn, sync has been running for 3 minutes |
| 06:52.08 | unlink | in truth i don't believe that it's doing much at all |
| 06:52.13 | Guerin_ | heh. |
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| 06:52.43 | unlink | any clue why i have 507 MB of buffers and counting? |
| 06:52.55 | Grell | anyone know what i package i should apt-get in order to have the perl module Filesys::DiskFree on my computer? |
| 06:53.15 | Grell | im trying to get syncpod to work |
| 06:53.21 | Grell | it needs Filesys::DiskFree |
| 06:53.22 | PingFloyd | unlink: because Linux manage memory in a non-retarded way |
| 06:54.21 | unlink | PingFloyd: buffers, not cache |
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| 06:55.07 | hark | Grell: apt-cache search filesys perl? |
| 06:55.36 | unlink | how do i kill sync? |
| 06:55.42 | unlink | kill -9 doesn't do the trick |
| 06:56.26 | Grell | hark, ive installed a few packages from those search results |
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| 06:56.42 | Grell | but still get an error that the module isnt found when running syncpod |
| 06:56.49 | Guerin | unlink: /msg dpkg zombie |
| 06:57.06 | Guerin | why on earth would you kill sync? |
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| 06:57.21 | unlink | Guerin: it's running in a directory where i filesystem is mounted that i want to unmount |
| 06:57.30 | PingFloyd | unlink: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/ProcessManagement |
| 06:57.47 | unlink | it's not a zombie |
| 06:57.56 | unlink | its system call has not returned |
| 06:58.20 | PingFloyd | especially read the part about kill -9 |
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| 06:59.14 | pstickne | does anyone have any good links on creating a "screencast" in X/debian? |
| 06:59.27 | unlink | PingFloyd: yeah i didn't actually expect to be able to kill it |
| 07:00.26 | pstickne | or is this all wayward and patchy atm? |
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| 07:04.42 | hark | pstickne: um.. google or apt-cache search ? |
| 07:04.59 | pstickne | hark, a few leads but not many, trying istanbul atm |
| 07:05.07 | hark | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktop/Screencasts |
| 07:05.38 | pstickne | ohh, cool. thanks |
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| 07:07.24 | pstickne | man, those OS X users sure have this made :-/ |
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| 07:10.27 | Gokee2 | How do I save a moniters edid info to a file? |
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| 07:12.57 | \amethyst | Gokee2: package read-edid can do it |
| 07:13.25 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, Thanks |
| 07:13.26 | PingFloyd | Gokee2: man get-edid |
| 07:13.30 | hark | yeah, get-edid should be able to do it then |
| 07:14.14 | PingFloyd | actually it's real simple get-edid > somefile |
| 07:14.38 | Gokee2 | No manual entry for read-edid... |
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| 07:15.21 | PingFloyd | get-edid |
| 07:15.21 | PingFloyd | man get-edid |
| 07:15.21 | \amethyst | Gokee2: read-edid is the package, get-edid is the binary |
| 07:15.21 | \amethyst | Gokee2: it produces binary output; if you want text you can do get-edid | parse-edid |
| 07:15.24 | hark | or /usr/share/doc/read-edid/ |
| 07:15.30 | londe | is snapshot.debian.net supposed to hold all old debian packages? |
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| 07:15.43 | hark | yes, most of them |
| 07:15.45 | Gokee2 | I want the stuff nvidia driver can read |
| 07:16.47 | PingFloyd | Gokee2: read the man page already |
| 07:17.06 | Gokee2 | PingFloyd, that did not work... It created a empty file |
| 07:17.08 | londe | i am running etch, the current version of gcc is 4.1.1-15, i want to fallback to -13 it is not in snapshot.debian.net. |
| 07:17.08 | Gokee2 | Heh ok |
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| 07:18.02 | PingFloyd | then your monitor sucks, or it's user error |
| 07:18.03 | londe | what it has is gcc-4.1. what does that mean? |
| 07:18.11 | h00t | hello i just added a second HD as secondary slave ... can someone help me set it up ... how can i find out what file system does it have |
| 07:18.54 | s | h00t: you can look with "fdisk" or "cfdisk" wich file system it could be have.. |
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| 07:19.07 | h00t | s.... ahhh |
| 07:19.07 | phroggy | so I've got some old crufty unstable version of Debian installed an an old-world Mac, and I'm interested in upgrading to a current release. I don't care about anything currently on the system, and normally I would just boot from CD and wipe everything, but on an Old World Mac I can't boot from CD. |
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| 07:19.15 | phroggy | so, what's the best way to do this? |
| 07:19.21 | h00t | of course ... the fdisk... thanx |
| 07:19.26 | s | but if there is one partition like /dev/hdc1 then try "mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt" |
| 07:19.37 | PingFloyd | phroggy: use the floppies then |
| 07:19.49 | MadSc13ntist | hello all |
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| 07:20.42 | Gokee2 | get-edid can`t read the moniter "Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC1 transfers Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC2 transfers Screen is not blanked during DDC transfer" |
| 07:21.02 | Gokee2 | And yet when I start a xserver the edid gets read |
| 07:21.02 | \amethyst | phroggy: debtakeover? |
| 07:21.03 | phroggy | PingFloyd: I did see a mention of that on the web site, but failed to actually find a floppy image. Where should I be looking? |
| 07:21.36 | phroggy | \amethyst: that sounds promising... |
| 07:21.37 | PingFloyd | phroggy: try checking on their ftp |
| 07:22.07 | enouf | phroggy: perhaps even debootstrap |
| 07:22.09 | \amethyst | you could *try* dist-upgrade, but if it's too old that's likely to fail spectacularly |
| 07:22.36 | MadSc13ntist | any other beryl users in here |
| 07:22.51 | PingFloyd | yeah, dist-upgrade is worth a shot since you said you don't really care about the outcome, but you might want to get some kind of boot medium set up first |
| 07:22.54 | phroggy | parsley:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:22.55 | phroggy | testing/unstable |
| 07:22.57 | s | Gokee2: stop X an retry? (my idea, but...) |
| 07:24.15 | phroggy | ok, so... where on the FTP site would I look for boot floppies? |
| 07:24.28 | phroggy | I'm a complete Debian n00b. |
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| 07:24.53 | enouf | Gokee2: I have no idea wayttd, but also man vbetool perhaps |
| 07:25.40 | PingFloyd | phroggy: which version do you want? |
| 07:25.48 | comsa | its 20 floppys |
| 07:26.00 | enouf | it may have gotten pulled in from dmidecode or somesuch, but it's it's own pkg |
| 07:26.20 | comsa | soz wng channel |
| 07:26.20 | phroggy | PingFloyd: hm, well, what are my options? |
| 07:26.32 | Gokee2 | enouf, wayttd? |
| 07:26.45 | enouf | phroggy: /msg dpkg ig |
| 07:26.46 | Gokee2 | s The xserver was off |
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| 07:26.50 | enouf | !wayttd |
| 07:26.51 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 07:26.59 | PingFloyd | phroggy: stable, testing, or unstable |
| 07:27.04 | Grub_Now | !dance |
| 07:27.11 | enouf | heh |
| 07:27.21 | enouf | shake your bootey |
| 07:27.25 | Grub_Now | :p |
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| 07:27.47 | Gokee2 | enouf, Ah I am trying to save a edid from this moniter that works great and use it for my other moniter (same moniter but edid is wrong.... at least I hope it is) |
| 07:28.23 | phroggy | PingFloyd: I would imagine stable... |
| 07:28.38 | phroggy | would this be it? |
| 07:28.39 | phroggy | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/floppy |
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| 07:29.06 | enouf | Gokee2: exact same monitors? .. I ain't no video guru or anything .. others here know much more about customizing that stuff |
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| 07:29.26 | MadSc13ntist | has anyone here gotten the beryl XGLsnow plugin to work? |
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| 07:30.13 | PingFloyd | phroggy: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/ |
| 07:30.37 | PingFloyd | phroggy: the manifest will give you and idea where to go from there |
| 07:30.58 | Gokee2 | enouf, Ya, display panals for inspiron 8600 laptops |
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| 07:31.20 | PingFloyd | phroggy: you'll need at the very least boot.img and root.img |
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| 07:31.47 | PingFloyd | phroggy: but you should check and see if you'll need the other floppy .img's |
| 07:32.06 | PingFloyd | phroggy: if in doubt, grab them all |
| 07:33.11 | enouf | phroggy: more info http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s03.html.en |
| 07:33.17 | PingFloyd | phroggy: just realize that the idea is use these images to get the system booted up to an installer, and then from there it's either installing everything through network or CDs |
| 07:33.29 | PingFloyd | phroggy: personally, I would do it through the network |
| 07:33.47 | phroggy | sure |
| 07:34.04 | phroggy | will this work with BootX, though? |
| 07:34.34 | phroggy | ugh, Old World is such a pain in the ass... |
| 07:34.38 | PingFloyd | phroggy: not sure |
| 07:34.51 | PingFloyd | phroggy: probably should do a dry run of some sort |
| 07:35.18 | PingFloyd | phroggy: like boot with the floppy and check for network connectivity first, before going through with the install |
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| 07:35.37 | phroggy | sure... |
| 07:35.44 | PingFloyd | phroggy: other method, which you might want to investigate is through use of debootstrap instead |
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| 07:36.02 | PingFloyd | phroggy: since you already have linux system up and running |
| 07:36.04 | enouf | another option, though I haven't used it yet http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap?highlight=%28debootstrap%29 |
| 07:36.07 | Knight_Lord | Is there any program that can search the content of PDFs in one directory? |
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| 07:36.19 | Knight_Lord | Like a grep with PDF support? |
| 07:36.36 | PingFloyd | personally, I think debootstrap is probably the best bet in your situation |
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| 07:37.04 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: just pdf2text or similar and grep |
| 07:37.31 | dondelelcaro | s/2/to/ |
| 07:37.34 | phroggy | debootstrap installs to a folder, right? |
| 07:37.45 | dondelelcaro | phroggy: a directory, but yes. |
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| 07:38.08 | osphy | I want to remove all the occurrences of libstdc++5 (old one and conflict with build system) in debian packaging environment. how to do that manually |
| 07:38.17 | phroggy | hmm... |
| 07:38.19 | dondelelcaro | osphy: you can't. |
| 07:38.28 | dondelelcaro | osphy: if things depend upon it, then it has to be installed. |
| 07:38.43 | dondelelcaro | (if you don't want it to be present, then you need to remove it along with everything that depends upon it) |
| 07:38.45 | phroggy | hm, wait... hard drive space might be an issue. |
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| 07:39.39 | osphy | dondelelcaro: system doesnt require that libstdc++5 latest one is place |
| 07:39.43 | phroggy | ugh, I'm tired. Maybe I'll just come back to this tomorrow. |
| 07:39.46 | phroggy | thanks for your help, all. |
| 07:39.59 | comsa | how much old world ram u got |
| 07:40.00 | dondelelcaro | osphy: if things depend upon it, then yes, it has to be there. |
| 07:40.30 | phroggy | hmm... 48MB? |
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| 07:40.51 | phroggy | I thought there was more than that. |
| 07:40.56 | Gokee2 | Wow, I love ssh, I was on wired, made wireless work, unpluged wired and ssh still works! |
| 07:40.58 | phroggy | but maybe not. |
| 07:41.11 | phroggy | Gokee2: both using the same IP address? |
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| 07:41.25 | Gokee2 | phroggy, no |
| 07:41.35 | Knight_Lord | dondelelcaro doesn't pdf2txt works horribly? |
| 07:41.39 | dos000 | anyone: i am going crazy over bash quoting black magic |
| 07:41.45 | phroggy | and your ssh session stayed active? |
| 07:41.50 | Gokee2 | phroggy, I was sure ssh was going to die |
| 07:41.51 | Gnea | Knight_Lord: have you tried it? |
| 07:41.55 | Gokee2 | phroggy, yes |
| 07:42.00 | Knight_Lord | Gnea yes |
| 07:42.16 | phroggy | Gokee2: I've never seen an ssh session staying active while changing IP addresses. |
| 07:42.18 | osphy | dondelelcaro : its not required, while just playing around with that package I have mistakenly ran dpkg on that and its not installed properly. now apt-get -f install is also not working but it says libstdc++ needs reinstallation. |
| 07:42.18 | Gnea | Knight_Lord: and how did it go? |
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| 07:42.38 | Knight_Lord | Gnea it works with some PDFs. With some I don't get anything |
| 07:42.52 | dos000 | i am trying to pass rsyinc --rsh="ssh -p 223" when i run the cmd it runs fine when i put it in a bash script rsync just barks and says there is no exec name ssh |
| 07:42.54 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: no, it works just fine. |
| 07:43.02 | dondelelcaro | Knight_Lord: some pdfs do not contain any text. |
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| 07:43.07 | Gnea | Knight_Lord: sounds fine then |
| 07:43.22 | phroggy | dos000: ssh is installed, I hope? |
| 07:43.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell osphy -about bat |
| 07:43.55 | dos000 | phroggy: i appreciate the help .. yes the command works fine outside the script |
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| 07:44.07 | Gokee2 | phroggy, Here is the really strange part, I log out of ssh then ssh 130 (the old wired ip) and it logs me in. ifconfig shows eth1 at 126 and no eth0... plug I unpluged the wire.... |
| 07:44.38 | Gokee2 | 126 works as well |
| 07:47.01 | phroggy | dos000: it was just a crazy thought. Try specifying the path to ssh? |
| 07:47.43 | phroggy | Gokee2: wait, is the machine that changed IPs the client or the server? |
| 07:48.02 | enouf | Knight_Lord: maybe look at pdftk .. apt-cache show pdftk and see http://www.accesspdf.com/index.php?topic=pdftk&page=2 |
| 07:48.20 | bh | hark, this configuration makes no sense to me |
| 07:48.33 | Gokee2 | phroggy, server |
| 07:48.36 | bh | I'm an exim4 expert or nor a dspam wizard |
| 07:48.45 | bh | I'm *not* an exim4 expert or nor a dspam wizard |
| 07:49.00 | bh | this is frustrating |
| 07:49.26 | dos000 | anyone who knows bash quoting please raise your hand |
| 07:49.33 | dondelelcaro | dos000: just ask your question. |
| 07:49.39 | phroggy | Gokee2: oh, I misunderstood. That sounds like a weird bug which could potentially cause problems under certain circumstances. |
| 07:50.12 | archville | how can i stress a web server to see if it fails ? |
| 07:50.20 | archville | (my own localhost web server) |
| 07:50.21 | Gokee2 | phroggy, Ya... it still responds to both ip`s but only list the new one in ifconfig |
| 07:50.25 | phroggy | archville: try "ab"? |
| 07:50.32 | osphy | I have a problem with dpkg, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5769 can some body answer this |
| 07:50.43 | enouf | build a kernel on it? .. run cpuburn on it? .. forkbomb it's @rse |
| 07:50.59 | dondelelcaro | osphy: just ask your question in one channel, and provide the information that dpkg told you to provide 10 minutes ago. |
| 07:51.04 | Gnea | dos000: this is irc, raising one's hand is not a valid option. answers will randomly be spit into the channel for all to read if the question is coherent enough. |
| 07:51.04 | archville | uhmm phroggy ¿ any website ? |
| 07:51.21 | phroggy | archville: it comes with apache. |
| 07:51.33 | archville | uh, but this isn't apache |
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| 07:51.42 | phroggy | archville: what is it? |
| 07:51.49 | archville | my own simple c web server |
| 07:51.50 | enouf | archville: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:51.56 | phroggy | oh, you wrote your own? |
| 07:52.13 | Gnea | osphy: what branch are you running? |
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| 07:52.23 | Gnea | !branch |
| 07:52.23 | dpkg | from memory, branch is what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
| 07:52.34 | archville | yup, but it is just an skeleton, i'm trying to stress it to check security |
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| 07:52.54 | archville | so i'm looking for software that can connect for example 250 clients simultaneously |
| 07:52.58 | osphy | Gnea : I am running scratchbox |
| 07:53.02 | phroggy | archville: if you have Apache installed, see if you have ab; you should still be able to use it. |
| 07:53.07 | Gnea | osphy: wtf is that? |
| 07:53.27 | enouf | i hope there's a sniff in there somewhere |
| 07:53.28 | archville | phroggy, i don't have apache, neither i would like to install it, but i'll do if last chance |
| 07:53.29 | dos000 | anyone can suggest a faster pastebin then pastebin.com .. its sluggish right now |
| 07:53.39 | archville | dos000, pastebin.ca maybe |
| 07:53.43 | Gnea | osphy: no no, i asked you what branch of debian you're running, I didn't ask anything else. |
| 07:53.48 | phroggy | archville: you could use wget -r, I suppose... |
| 07:54.22 | archville | mmm, dunno, but maybe i could write a bash script with a wget loop on it |
| 07:54.25 | enouf | dos000: pastebin.ca .. channels.debian.net .. /msg dpkg paster |
| 07:54.38 | Gnea | well i would offer up my pastebin, but it looks like someone nailed it |
| 07:54.39 | osphy | Gnea : ok its simulation environment. its neither sarge nor sid. but based on debian and one can use dpkg |
| 07:54.50 | enouf | ouch .. |
| 07:54.57 | Gnea | osphy: okay, you're going to have to get a bit more specific. |
| 07:55.00 | dos000 | anyone: here is the out put of the bash script with debugging enabled http://pastebin.ca/404814 |
| 07:55.20 | Gnea | enouf: yeah, lost everything *except* for the main domain data |
| 07:55.39 | dos000 | it looks like bash is quoting the command in the wrong way when it is being passed to rsync |
| 07:56.08 | enouf | Gnea: so just everyone else's past uploads only? .. no real breach .. or |
| 07:56.25 | Gnea | osphy: what simulation environment? how are you setting it up? don't say "simulation environment" and expect people to simply 'know' what you're talking about.. |
| 07:56.36 | enouf | !esp |
| 07:56.36 | dpkg | esp is probably I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
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| 07:56.51 | osphy | Gnea: is there a way to erase all installed information from system and apt-get update ? I removed /var/lib/apt/<files> and /var/cache/apt/<files> |
| 07:56.53 | Gnea | enouf: well, i'm thinking that it had more to do with a climate change |
| 07:56.58 | dondelelcaro | dos000: rsync --cvs-exclude --recursive --progress --verbose --compress --relative -e 'ssh -p 222' ./sswitch-set is more likely what you're looking for |
| 07:57.05 | Gnea | enouf: heat went up about 20 degrees that day |
| 07:57.06 | enouf | Gnea: heh .. |
| 07:57.24 | enouf | Full moon too i bet ;-) |
| 07:57.43 | Gnea | osphy: you know what? forget it. if you want help, you need to answer MY questions. obviously, you have no idea how the troubleshooting process works. |
| 07:57.53 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: thats exactly what i am doing except that is not what is beain passed to rsyinc due to obscure bash quoting |
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| 07:58.03 | Gnea | osphy: *click* you've been hung up on! |
| 07:58.16 | Gnea | man... somedays i wish i could do that |
| 07:58.23 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: i f i put echo in front of the command i get the same output as the one you showed |
| 07:58.35 | dondelelcaro | dos000: past the bash script, because it's clearly not what you're running. |
| 07:58.38 | dondelelcaro | s/past/paste/ |
| 07:58.38 | archville | ok, found a good tool to stress it, "hammerhead" if someone cares :) |
| 07:59.45 | osphy | Gnue : its dpkg problem and not a version issue. if you want to know about more about environment, see scratchbox.org |
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| 08:00.12 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
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| 08:00.33 | Ramattack | how could I set a path at startup time? |
| 08:00.44 | Ramattack | is it ok to set them on /etc/profile? |
| 08:00.57 | Ramattack | and then at boot time do a source /etc/profile? |
| 08:01.03 | Gnea | osphy: no. scratchbox is offtopic, it's not even packaged, so we don't support it. |
| 08:01.18 | phroggy | Ramattack: you set paths at login, not at boot time, and yes, /etc/profile is the right place. |
| 08:01.25 | Gnea | osphy: if you're unwilling to answer my questions, then i am unwilling to help you. it's that simple. |
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| 08:01.35 | enouf | osphy: dpkg has no problem, but you certainly seem to |
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| 08:01.48 | Ramattack | phroggy : at login? |
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| 08:01.57 | osphy | Gnea: are you sure ? apt-cache search scratchbox and see |
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| 08:02.06 | Gnea | osphy: i did, i get zero results. |
| 08:02.20 | Ramattack | phroggy : so you say when you login on a machine /etc/profile is read? |
| 08:02.26 | Skept | hi, is there a method by which i can convert .pdf to ms word format? |
| 08:02.54 | hark | Ramattack: you don't need to source it |
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| 08:03.14 | phroggy | Ramattack: yes, bash reads /etc/profile when it starts up, if it was run from a login prompt (there are other circumstances in which it might not do that, which I don't entirely understand the details of) |
| 08:03.17 | Gnea | osphy: do i come off as some sort of n00b to you? look, obviously scratchbox supports debian - but since there aren't any scratchbox packages in the main repository, we don't support scratchbox. do you see the real problem here? |
| 08:03.27 | phroggy | (e.g. when you launch an xterm, it won't) |
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| 08:03.43 | enouf | openoffice, antiword, pdf2text , pstoedit, pdftk, and /msg dpkg search |
| 08:03.48 | phroggy | see also ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc |
| 08:03.53 | hark | !wikifaq dotfiles |
| 08:03.53 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 08:03.54 | dpkg | [dotfiles] http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 08:04.06 | Ramattack | I have seen that if I don't do a source /etc/profile I cannot type the command and be applied properly because it doesn't find it |
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| 08:04.27 | phroggy | Ramattack: where are you typing this command? |
| 08:04.31 | Gnea | osphy: for all i know, you could be running ubuntu |
| 08:04.45 | Ramattack | in a startup script and from tty's... |
| 08:05.10 | valdyn | Ramattack: 1) /etc/profile is system wide, you shouldnt touch it when you don't know very well what you're doing. There's ~/.profile |
| 08:05.19 | osphy | Gnea: ok, I am running scratchbox on both. let figure out and come back |
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| 08:05.31 | Gnea | osphy: good idea, and good luck |
| 08:05.43 | osphy | Gnea : thanks |
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| 08:05.57 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: i created a small version to reproduce the problem ... http://pastebin.ca/404816 |
| 08:06.08 | Ramattack | valdyn so how do you advise me to path /scripts directory? |
| 08:06.10 | MythrilSword | morning all |
| 08:06.26 | Ramattack | for me and services could access those commands? |
| 08:06.37 | valdyn | Ramattack: in ~/.profile |
| 08:06.39 | dondelelcaro | dos000: use ' not \" in the assignment. |
| 08:07.04 | Ramattack | valdyn you say in my home in .profile file? |
| 08:07.04 | dondelelcaro | dos000: and furthermore, there's no need to do that -e garbage at all if you're using port 22. |
| 08:07.06 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: i tried that .. but lemme try again |
| 08:07.22 | valdyn | Ramattack: ~/ is $HOME is 'your home' |
| 08:07.38 | Gnea | holy shit, who the hell still uses Fidonet? |
| 08:07.40 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: i know .. the server is on a different port .. i just want to test the semantics first |
| 08:07.43 | Ramattack | valdyn but if I would like that path to apply system wide? |
| 08:07.54 | Ramattack | and for everyone login too? |
| 08:08.00 | valdyn | Ramattack: then /etc/profile |
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| 08:08.17 | Ramattack | but If I do that without source it... it doesn't work... |
| 08:08.33 | valdyn | Ramattack: wrong |
| 08:09.02 | enouf | look at /etc/bash.bashrc too IINM |
| 08:09.03 | valdyn | Ramattack: you want to describe the circumstances this is not working in more precisely |
| 08:09.12 | valdyn | Ramattack: is it only not working in X terminals? |
| 08:10.06 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: i still get the same error ... http://pastebin.ca/404822 |
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| 08:10.23 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 08:10.50 | gypsymauro | there is a way to know in chich cd will be a particular package? so I download only 2-3 images not alls?:) |
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| 08:11.14 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:11.17 | dondelelcaro | !cd contents |
| 08:11.17 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 08:12.01 | Ramattack | ok valdyn... well I'm running a qmail server and I use a script for controlling it... this script run programs from /var/qmail/bin and I wanted this script to not need to enter the full path /var/qmail/bin/.... only wanted to enter "....." the command... and for if the circunstance in a service require a command and it not run all the path for the command to work too |
| 08:12.45 | Ramattack | valdyn : that was the reason for I wanted to set some paths at boot time |
| 08:12.52 | valdyn | Ramattack: where's that script run from? |
| 08:12.55 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: can you just try to run the cmd on your machine ... the script is so simple i am buffled how people make it work .. i tried soo many things so far |
| 08:13.29 | dos000 | dondelelcaro: ftr i also tried sing --rsh instead of -e. and still got the same error |
| 08:14.51 | dos000 | something tells me bash is screwing the command when it being passed to rsync |
| 08:15.01 | enouf | dos000: have you been to #bash yet? |
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| 08:15.27 | Ramattack | valdyn : and I have seen this worked to me doing source /etc/profile.... and my question is... is it proper to do this? |
| 08:15.42 | valdyn | Ramattack: no it isnt |
| 08:15.48 | valdyn | Ramattack: where is that script run from? |
| 08:16.05 | Ramattack | from /etc/init.d |
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| 08:16.18 | scanwinder | can someone help me with wpa_supplicant?, i keep getting lines like scan SSID -hexdump_ascii(len=6): 47 4f 41 57 41 59 GOAWAY which is my accesspoint but then it says wireless event: cmd=0x8b19 len=8 and says Scan results: 0 |
| 08:16.42 | valdyn | Ramattack: since this /var/qmail/bin/ is probably only used from that script, it would be proper to extend $PATH just in that script |
| 08:17.03 | scanwinder | occasionally it will actually connect when i run the command but it seems majority of the times it dosent |
| 08:17.20 | enouf | Ramattack: have you used symlinks from rc?.d .. and if so what's the SNNscript number? |
| 08:17.48 | Ramattack | so you say to set something like : env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin" |
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| 08:17.56 | Ramattack | for example valdyn? |
| 08:18.11 | Ramattack | enouf it depends on the machine |
| 08:18.26 | valdyn | Ramattack: just "PATH=$PATH:/var/qmail/bin" |
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| 08:19.35 | Ramattack | and it wont me remove the possibility for doing ls or rm because this path to remove /usr/bin and all of those paths? |
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| 08:20.15 | Ramattack | so that only adds /var/qmail/bin to paths available without removing any existing path isn't it? |
| 08:20.20 | valdyn | Ramattack: my 'command' extends $PATH, it doesnt overwrite anything in there |
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| 08:20.37 | Ramattack | ok then |
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| 08:20.41 | Ramattack | gone to test so.... |
| 08:20.44 | darrius | #joing #perl |
| 08:20.44 | Ramattack | thanks a lot mates |
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| 08:23.21 | dondelelcaro | dos000: FOO="rsync --list-only -e 'ssh -p22'"; eval $FOO fohost:. <-- this is what you're looking for. |
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| 08:29.07 | liable | box 1 connected to wireless ap and running hostapd as an ap on another nick. box two is connected to hostapd and can ping internal network but not inet (ipmasquerading set up on box 1, box two's gw is box 1's ip) ?? |
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| 08:30.23 | Ramattack | valdyn : if you set a PATH=__________ path only gets for that unless in that script |
| 08:31.14 | Ramattack | valdyn : if I do path="/var/qmail/bin" and later the next line ln -s doesn't work |
| 08:32.10 | Ramattack | valdyn : ln is not recognised |
| 08:33.37 | Ramattack | so then you override the default paths isn't it? |
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| 08:34.54 | hark | set PATH then |
| 08:35.22 | Ramattack | sorry hark... how or where? |
| 08:35.29 | liable | hrm, box 2 is even getting dns responses from the first ap.. |
| 08:35.50 | Ramattack | you say PATH="______all I needed paths______" |
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| 08:36.22 | Ramattack | I would like to have the default paths + /var/qmail/bin |
| 08:36.26 | Ramattack | that's all... |
| 08:36.33 | Ramattack | how could I do this? |
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| 08:36.56 | chadmaynard | concatenation is tricky huh |
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| 08:37.49 | chadmaynard | PATH is a variable.... |
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| 08:38.07 | chadmaynard | PATH=$PATH'/new/path' |
| 08:38.09 | enouf | Ramattack: echo $PATH <-- that's your default path |
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| 08:38.24 | chadmaynard | was that ever in question? |
| 08:38.25 | retard | how can i make an intel 915gm video card to work in sarge?...i enabled agpgart and drm for intel i915 but xfree86 still cant load i810 driver... :( |
| 08:39.09 | tarzeau | retard: is that an apple? try etch? |
| 08:39.18 | Ramattack | so If I set PATH to "cat $PATH":/var/qmail/bin" that would worked |
| 08:39.19 | Ramattack | ? |
| 08:39.22 | Sazpaimon | is there a commandline editor that has mouse support so I can select and delete lots of text via ssh? |
| 08:39.38 | tarzeau | Sazpaimon: mcedit from the mc package? |
| 08:39.40 | retard | tarzeau: etch isnt out yet... |
| 08:39.48 | retard | and not it isnt apple...it is debian sarge |
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| 08:40.08 | tarzeau | retard: i mean the computer, some apple laptops have the intel 915 vid card i think |
| 08:40.27 | retard | no i have sony vgn-tx27gp |
| 08:40.28 | chadmaynard | Ramattack: you are a loser. You didn't listen to me |
| 08:40.32 | retard | the 11" one |
| 08:40.41 | hark | PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/var/qmail/bim |
| 08:40.54 | chadmaynard | Ramattack: PATH=$PATH':/new/path' |
| 08:41.42 | retard | so tarzeau , could you help please?... :D |
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| 08:42.18 | Sazpaimon | tarzeau, can i get it standalone? |
| 08:42.24 | tarzeau | Sazpaimon: no |
| 08:42.30 | Sazpaimon | damn |
| 08:42.35 | Sazpaimon | is there a standalone client? |
| 08:42.35 | tarzeau | Sazpaimon: it's not large, just get mc |
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| 08:42.40 | Ramattack | sorry chadmaynard.... where I don't listen you? |
| 08:42.43 | Sazpaimon | eh ok |
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| 08:42.48 | tarzeau | retard: no, try etch or listen to chadmaynard |
| 08:43.01 | tarzeau | Sazpaimon: freebsd has it standalone, which sucks imho |
| 08:43.25 | chadmaynard | Ramattack: that was the 14th time i said that |
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| 08:43.45 | hark | it's an init.d script |
| 08:43.51 | chadmaynard | Ramattack: plus i want you to show me how to cat a variable |
| 08:43.54 | retard | i read the chat...i dont see chadmaynard saying something to me... |
| 08:44.36 | Sazpaimon | tarzeau, file is too large :( |
| 08:44.49 | Sazpaimon | im trying to edit a full mysql dump |
| 08:44.49 | chadmaynard | retard: you want me to talk to you? |
| 08:45.01 | Ramattack | chadmaynard : sorry wich variable please? |
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| 08:45.53 | retard | no chadmaynard ... i was just told tarzeau the you didnt talk to me... :D |
| 08:46.00 | retard | -was |
| 08:46.11 | retard | that* |
| 08:46.19 | Sazpaimon | tarzeau, got any other editors? this one doesnt open files a certain size large |
| 08:46.22 | chadmaynard | retard: you ever had a girl scout cookie? |
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| 08:46.46 | hark | Ramattack: try with what i said above |
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| 08:47.08 | chadmaynard | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.23 | Sazpaimon | wouldnt that require i download the file? |
| 08:47.49 | Ramattack | one moment please |
| 08:47.51 | Ramattack | come soon |
| 08:48.08 | chadmaynard | Sazpaimon: not with WinSCP |
| 08:48.16 | Sazpaimon | oh cool |
| 08:48.18 | Sazpaimon | i never knew that |
| 08:49.00 | chadmaynard | retard: have you had the damn cookies or not? |
| 08:49.20 | retard_ | i eat cookies with chocolate chips... |
| 08:49.39 | chadmaynard | retard: good choice man. good choice |
| 08:49.40 | retard_ | but that doesnt fix my problem... :( |
| 08:49.45 | retard_ | thanx |
| 08:50.33 | chadmaynard | retard: what is the problem? |
| 08:50.55 | retard_ | i cant make my intel 915gm video to work in sarge |
| 08:51.03 | Sazpaimon | chadmaynard, it's trying to download the file |
| 08:51.04 | markybob | i've been a free software spokesman for quite a long while now. i've done everything from help fix bugs to do a crapload of work in getting evolution to work inside windows. i email the fsf to make sure that i'm within their guidelines and if there's anything else that i need to do to comply....i got an email back a month later saying that I needed to pay the fsf $140 for them to be able to consult with me in any way. |
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| 08:51.13 | Sazpaimon | or do I HAVE to use SFTP? |
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| 08:51.23 | markybob | yeah, that seems just and fair. that seems exactly like the heard of every open source developer out that |
| 08:51.29 | chadmaynard | i dunno Sazpaimon: it just works with me |
| 08:51.46 | chadmaynard | retard: i don't use graphical linux |
| 08:52.00 | chadmaynard | hell i don't use debian. I'm here cause im bored |
| 08:52.00 | tarzeau | hey markybob |
| 08:52.05 | Sazpaimon | damn it |
| 08:52.11 | Sazpaimon | yeah it's trying to download the file |
| 08:52.12 | Sazpaimon | :/ |
| 08:52.15 | markybob | tarzeau, hey. been a while, man. glad you're still around |
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| 08:53.08 | tarzeau | retard: as i told you, without a newer X version, you won't have luck |
| 08:53.17 | retard_ | ic |
| 08:53.19 | tarzeau | retard: we also have network cards, sound cards and graphics cards that don't work with sarge |
| 08:53.22 | retard_ | thanx |
| 08:53.31 | tarzeau | retard: we use later kernels for most of the things, or the vesa/binary drivers for graphics cards |
| 08:53.49 | tarzeau | retard: but now with sata optical drives, even newer kernels of 2.4 don't help... |
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| 08:54.08 | tarzeau | markybob: glad to see some old fellows too :) |
| 08:54.20 | retard_ | ic ok thanx |
| 08:54.28 | tarzeau | markybob: i remember your netinst images |
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| 08:55.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:55.18 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:55.36 | enouf | hark: chadmaynard valdyn .. hehe look at this funky monkey I found; |
| 08:55.43 | enouf | in /etc/init.d/rsync:export PATH="${PATH:+$PATH:}/usr/sbin:/sbin" |
| 08:56.02 | markybob | tarzeau, heh, yeah, glad they helped some. i currently feel like my code keeps being suppressed and any contact that i make to supposedly developer friendly sources, such as the fsf, i got a huge bill before any discussion even takes place. it's really out of control |
| 08:56.39 | tarzeau | markybob: the people you want to contact don't have real (no @fsf) email ? |
| 08:56.54 | tarzeau | markybob: FSF is a money machinery... anything else besides that? |
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| 08:57.54 | pythonic | eek! |
| 08:57.56 | pythonic | ook! |
| 08:58.16 | pythonic | hi! where do i put a script to run when a usb drive is inserted? |
| 08:58.28 | tarzeau | pythonic: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:58.34 | pythonic | debian etch |
| 08:58.41 | pythonic | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 08:59.10 | markybob | tarzeau, not that i was given. all i tried to get was some kind of head nod that i'm doing things as they require. really no more. seems almost impossible to me that it could be this difficult to do just that |
| 08:59.30 | retard_ | can i upgrade my xfree86 from backports without problems ? |
| 08:59.36 | retard_ | i guess yes...nvm... :| |
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| 08:59.54 | markybob | retard_, yes, go for it |
| 08:59.59 | retard_ | thanx |
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| 09:00.53 | tarzeau | markybob: you do a great job |
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| 09:01.22 | tarzeau | markybob: i do it mainly for myself personally, nice if it's useful to others, but not like i wait for anything (anyways it's nice to get feedback) |
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| 09:03.25 | markybob | tarzeau, it started as just bettering for the whole since i had gotten unemployeed...they i had to find some way to miss everything together without toot much haters from the developer world. i came up with www.dipconsultants.com |
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| 09:05.36 | hark | enouf: yeah |
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| 09:05.44 | hark | pythonic: udev rules |
| 09:06.10 | tarzeau | markybob: it looks good! |
| 09:06.27 | pythonic | hark rules too |
| 09:06.36 | markybob | tarzeau, thanks. i'll keep working on it :) |
| 09:06.38 | cydork | pythonic: or you can use ivman too! |
| 09:06.43 | hark | !teh 1337 |
| 09:06.43 | dpkg | hark pwns j00 |
| 09:06.58 | markybob | tarzeau, happen to be in the midwest in case i need a contractor? |
| 09:07.16 | tarzeau | markybob: i'm in europe,switzerland |
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| 09:08.12 | markybob | tarzeau, ever wanted to become an american? me either until i became one ;) |
| 09:08.13 | hark | pythonic: try /msg dpkg udev rules |
| 09:08.24 | enouf | pythonic: jump right in ;-) /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 09:08.38 | pythonic | i was just reading it :-) |
| 09:08.58 | enouf | !pet hark and pythonic |
| 09:08.59 | pythonic | what does ivman do that udev doesn't? |
| 09:08.59 | enouf | ok .. then |
| 09:09.06 | enouf | !mlk hark and pythonic |
| 09:09.13 | hark | attaboy |
| 09:09.13 | enouf | bah |
| 09:09.36 | enouf | haha |
| 09:09.50 | tarzeau | markybob: no, but i'd like to see america some day. i'm glad i became swiss recently |
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| 09:10.00 | Ramattack | here I return again mates |
| 09:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 704] by debhelper |
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| 09:10.10 | enouf | pythonic: there's also autofs and pmount you may want to review |
| 09:10.41 | markybob | tarzeau, please, consider me a spot. i'm in a suburb of chicago and will gladly show you all around the city |
| 09:10.43 | Ramattack | let's see I though the number you asked my chadmainard is the number of start sequence |
| 09:10.45 | Ramattack | wan't it? |
| 09:10.47 | enouf | Ramattack: btw .. have you noticed this in /etc/init.d/rsync ? export PATH="${PATH:+$PATH:}/usr/sbin:/sbin" |
| 09:11.03 | pythonic | i want to automate a sneaker-net, so i need to run arbitrary scripts. |
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| 09:11.19 | tarzeau | markybob: thank you. should you ever want to see switzerland/europe, same applies |
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| 09:11.50 | pythonic | (not after what's happened to openbsd) |
| 09:11.57 | enouf | ouch |
| 09:11.59 | markybob | tarzeau, beautiful! thanks |
| 09:12.11 | Ramattack | enouf no in a qmail service script |
| 09:12.21 | pythonic | Only two remote holes in the default install, in more than 10 years! |
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| 09:12.50 | enouf | Ramattack: doh .. it was another guy .. that dos000 guy that was dealing with rysync .. apologies |
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| 09:13.01 | Ramattack | chadmaynard number 90 for example in one server |
| 09:13.10 | Ramattack | chadmaynard : for starting |
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| 09:13.25 | Supaplex | what valid causes keep files remaining when they're moved? mv didn't report any errors after moving them, but the sources were not deleted. I moved one directory to another mount point. ext3 -> fat32. permissions weren't important, and vfat has quiet enabled. |
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| 09:14.02 | pythonic | udev rules it is! thanks :-) |
| 09:14.07 | frex | my calculator disappeared! Does anyone know how to put it back?? |
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| 09:15.18 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.53 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.55 | Supaplex | Wuuuuuarst: ask in #bsd2,000 |
| 09:15.56 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.59 | cydork | !ops Wuuuuuarst spamming |
| 09:15.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cydork complains about: Wuuuuuarst spamming |
| 09:16.00 | Supaplex | !ops Wuuuuuarst flooding |
| 09:16.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: supaplex complains about: Wuuuuuarst flooding |
| 09:16.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 09:16.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@e176174186.adsl.alicedsl.de] by peterS |
| 09:16.14 | *** kick/#debian [Wuuuuuarst!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (bah.) |
| 09:16.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
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| 09:16.28 | frex | ban him |
| 09:16.37 | frex | my calculator disappeared! Does anyone know how to put it back?? |
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| 09:16.56 | pythonic | frex: what calculator? |
| 09:17.09 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.09 | Ramattack | could anyone help me please? |
| 09:17.11 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 09:17.17 | Ramattack | tarzeau mate? |
| 09:17.17 | *** kick/#debian [Wuuuuuarst!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (meh.) |
| 09:17.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
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| 09:17.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
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| 09:17.31 | tarzeau | Ramattack: ? |
| 09:17.32 | c00lfon | Use +b? |
| 09:17.33 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.34 | pythonic | this one's a regular jack-in-the-box. |
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| 09:17.44 | Ramattack | remember the problem with paths... |
| 09:17.47 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.49 | Ramattack | I same the same way |
| 09:17.50 | cydork | bahh. |
| 09:17.53 | enouf | cuckoo clock |
| 09:17.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*n=CGI-IRC@*.adsl.alicedsl.de] by peterS |
| 09:17.58 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.04 | Ramattack | I've set path on init.d script |
| 09:18.06 | markybob | pythonic, quick, you need to jump in the box right away! |
| 09:18.06 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.13 | *** part/#debian Wuuuuuarst (n=CGI-IRC@e176174186.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:18.22 | archville | how to see ram usage of an specific proccess ? |
| 09:18.39 | markybob | top? ps aux? |
| 09:19.12 | enouf | archville: top |
| 09:19.12 | Ramattack | I've set path on init.d script but it's like it would overrided |
| 09:19.12 | archville | top does not display it |
| 09:19.12 | archville | (probably because it has almost no cpu/ram usage) |
| 09:19.12 | enouf | archville: htop .. and sure it does |
| 09:19.18 | enouf | archville: man top .. sort by whatever |
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| 09:19.22 | Wuuuuuarst | de |
| 09:19.26 | archville | enouf, thanks |
| 09:19.49 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.54 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.55 | enouf | Wuuuuuarst: burpin again? |
| 09:20.00 | *** kick/#debian [Wuuuuuarst!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (you should know better) |
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| 09:20.01 | Ramattack | tarzeau : talk later |
| 09:20.05 | hark | damn cgi |
| 09:20.06 | Ramattack | thanks |
| 09:20.06 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.07 | *** kick/#debian [Wuuuuuarst!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (you should know better) |
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| 09:20.21 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.24 | *** kick/#debian [Wuuuuuarst!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 09:20.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b Wuuuuuu*!*@*] by peterS |
| 09:20.29 | enouf | thank you peterS for even putting up with this nonsense |
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| 09:20.35 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:21.09 | *** mode/#debian [+b Wuuuuu*!*@*] by peterS |
| 09:21.10 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.12 | Wuuuuuarst | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.13 | *** kick/#debian [Wuuuuuarst!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 09:21.17 | smiler | is that so |
| 09:21.43 | pythonic | archville: cd /proc/#/ ; and cat to your heart's delight. |
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| 09:21.55 | archville | well, htop did the trick |
| 09:21.57 | dimir | :-D |
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| 09:23.04 | rmrfchik | why ban don't working? |
| 09:23.05 | pythonic | a kickbot might be useful :-) |
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| 09:23.15 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.16 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:23.19 | *** kick/#debian [debian!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 09:23.35 | peterS | rmrfchik: I don't know, perhaps he's in the ban exceptions list, I'm trying to figure that out now |
| 09:23.44 | pythonic | "debian"? blasphemy is going too far. |
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| 09:23.52 | *** kick/#debian [debian!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (peterS) |
| 09:23.59 | SlayerXP | peterS: are you suggesting that #bsdforen.de doesn't, in fact, own us? |
| 09:24.12 | peterS | maybe they own YA, whoever that is |
| 09:24.22 | peterS | something "young adult"? |
| 09:24.28 | enouf | pythonic: he's trying not to ban a whole ISP i gather ... |
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| 09:24.36 | peter-PAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.38 | SlayerXP | perhaps YA is the 52nd state |
| 09:24.41 | peter-PAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.42 | peter-PAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.42 | *** kick/#debian [peter-PAN!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (foo.) |
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| 09:24.48 | peter-PAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.49 | *** kick/#debian [peter-PAN!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (foo.) |
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| 09:25.07 | enouf | this occured right after that openbsd comment .. no? .. coincidence? .. heh |
| 09:25.08 | pythonic | it's just @e176174186.adsl.alicedsl.de that needs to be banned |
| 09:25.09 | peter-PAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.11 | rmrfchik | ban alicedsl.de at all> |
| 09:25.12 | rmrfchik | ? |
| 09:25.15 | GhostInTheShell | maybe a chan protection bot is not a bad idea |
| 09:25.18 | *** kick/#debian [peter-PAN!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-217-148.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (eh) |
| 09:25.24 | Grub_Now | ban! |
| 09:26.12 | enouf | pythonic: it's all you fault! :-p |
| 09:26.14 | enouf | [05:10:18] <pythonic> (not after what's happened to openbsd) |
| 09:26.14 | enouf | [05:10:25] <enouf> ouch |
| 09:26.54 | pythonic | Only two remote holes in the default install, in more than 10 years! |
| 09:27.24 | Fox | only two services running with default install ? :) |
| 09:27.27 | MythrilSword | pythonic: you mean 2 known holes ? :) |
| 09:27.30 | hark | !blame enouf and pythonic |
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| 09:28.13 | Grub_Now | hoi jenda |
| 09:28.15 | jenda | Hello |
| 09:28.27 | karsten | peterS: e176174186.adsl.alicedsl.de is the source. |
| 09:28.35 | peterS | karsten: uh. why are you telling me this? |
| 09:28.55 | karsten | peterS: I don't see a ban, just kicks. |
| 09:29.00 | enouf | hark: I think they eventually became 5 or 7 guys .. so there's plenty more o hurl around ;-) |
| 09:29.03 | peterS | karsten: you aren't looking very hard then |
| 09:29.09 | enouf | s/o/to |
| 09:29.31 | jenda | Well if it ain't the karsten the other karsten keeps complaining about and vice versa ;) |
| 09:29.48 | SlayerXP | peterS: they lack humour when the tables are turned |
| 09:29.48 | hark | enouf: don't have too much fun with them first |
| 09:29.50 | SlayerXP | peterS: in karsten's defence, I also see no bans |
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| 09:29.57 | enouf | cat ~/karsten > /dev/pts |
| 09:30.22 | karsten | peterS: I'll assume you know what you're doing ;-) |
| 09:30.32 | peterS | -!- 181 - #debian: ban *!*@e176174186.adsl.alicedsl.de [by peterS, 373 secs ago] |
| 09:30.33 | karsten | jenda: Who's complaining about whom? |
| 09:30.50 | jenda | karsten: BearPerson ;) |
| 09:30.54 | karsten | peterS: Ah, that doesn't show here. |
| 09:30.57 | karsten | jenda: What's he saying? |
| 09:31.01 | jenda | but that's not why I'm here |
| 09:31.03 | peterS | I guess there is a ban exception affecting this clown, but I don't know how to list ban exceptions in irssi |
| 09:31.11 | karsten | jenda: .... other than I stole his name ;-) |
| 09:31.32 | jenda | karsten: yeah, something of that sort ;) it just floated into the top of my memory when I saw you :) |
| 09:31.57 | *** mode/#debian [-eee *!*@e176174186.adsl.alicedsl.de *!*@*.adsl.alicedsl.de *!*@*.alicedsl.de] by peterS |
| 09:31.58 | karsten | jenda: I was complaining about _him_ on #freenode-social yesterday, dunno if that was it. |
| 09:32.06 | peterS | (maybe that catches it?) |
| 09:32.09 | karsten | Actually: people sending FN requests to me. |
| 09:32.20 | karsten | peterS: You're looking very oppy. |
| 09:32.30 | peterS | uh. why are you telling me this? |
| 09:32.40 | karsten | Because it's True! |
| 09:32.45 | Supaplex | karsten: hello captian obvious :P |
| 09:32.52 | peterS | not really in the mood |
| 09:32.55 | karsten | Supaplex: You've got my number. |
| 09:32.57 | jenda | karsten: nah, it's more like a constant thing that appears from time to time ;) |
| 09:33.08 | karsten | peterS: Sorry. |
| 09:33.24 | pythonic | karsten: like a klingon bird of prey? |
| 09:33.43 | pythonic | op decloaking off starboard bow, captain! |
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| 09:33.45 | karsten | pythonic: That's more a cloaking thing. |
| 09:34.18 | karsten | peterS: I suspect one or both of us should be asleep right now anyhow. |
| 09:34.28 | peterS | probably |
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| 09:37.08 | Supaplex | humm /mode * +d shows *Usuario* and jenson, what ever +d is |
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| 09:38.06 | simonrvn | +d is ban exception |
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| 09:38.30 | simonrvn | i think... might be username ban |
| 09:38.42 | enouf | peterS: found a few things from a sudo zgrep "ban exception" /usr/share/doc/irssi/* |
| 09:38.56 | Grub_Now | simonrvn: +d is real name ban |
| 09:39.02 | Supaplex | why sudo? :) |
| 09:39.03 | Grub_Now | +e is ban exception |
| 09:39.07 | peterS | enouf: why sudo? |
| 09:39.20 | Penix | wenas |
| 09:39.31 | enouf | peterS: sorry .. i started out seraching /etc 1st :-P |
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| 09:39.51 | enouf | forgot to remove it ;-) |
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| 09:40.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 09:40.36 | Supaplex | all I get is "#debian You need to be a channel operator to do that" when I /mode #debian +e |
| 09:40.49 | karsten | Supaplex: You and a few others here ;-) |
| 09:40.50 | Supaplex | so I can't see the exceptions, unless I have +o I guess. |
| 09:41.19 | peterS | Supaplex: if there was a ban exception, it's gone now. I blindly removed 3 possible exception masks that would have applied to this clown, earlier, before someone told me how to list exceptions. I hope that was it. |
| 09:41.39 | Supaplex | do they have to match exactly? |
| 09:41.52 | Supaplex | to be removed... |
| 09:42.04 | peterS | "/mode -e foo", like "/mode -b foo", has to match exactly, yes |
| 09:42.10 | Grub_Now | peterS: how did you list xecptions? |
| 09:42.13 | StrixVarius | Hey guys I'm trying to compile gtk-gnutella but I keep getting "substitution variable" errors - is this where I should be asking about that? |
| 09:42.25 | peterS | Grub_Now: /mode #debian e, but it does require +o |
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| 09:42.58 | Penix | cafuego_: check it out. ppp161-133.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net. 1.5mbit line. only took me about 5 years :) |
| 09:43.02 | Grub_Now | peterS: ah |
| 09:43.37 | doney | can anyone help me? i'm trying to apt-get update and it says failed to load some indexes |
| 09:43.57 | peterS | hmmm, I wonder why *!*@21.34 and *!*@13.24 are excepted. those are odd masks. was it even done on purpose? |
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| 09:45.10 | pythonic | .34 and .24 are not odd, they're even. |
| 09:45.29 | enouf | hrm .. i know Bhaal has a script that comes in and leaves very quickly to grab some sort of botlist .. or attempts at botting or something |
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| 09:45.50 | peterS | (I hope those ones were superfluous) |
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| 09:46.04 | pythonic | cloaking device activated |
| 09:46.57 | Bhaal | enouf: Hrm? |
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| 09:47.44 | Bhaal | enouf: Its the other way around... just a simple channel cycle... |
| 09:47.48 | enouf | Bhaal: dunno .. we just had a wave of spamming botnets or something |
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| 09:48.05 | Bhaal | enouf: Ahhh I dont catch in channel stuff, only priv messages |
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| 09:48.15 | enouf | Bhaal: right .. and your stiuff helps clear out the cruft .. keep the channel cleaner .. yes? |
| 09:48.28 | Bhaal | enouf: Something like that |
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| 09:48.43 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:48.58 | StrixVarius | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${misc:Depends} <-- does that mean anything to anyone? |
| 09:49.28 | peterS | StrixVarius: yes, it's usually a harmless warning, caused by following recommendations that are not always necessary |
| 09:49.56 | peterS | StrixVarius: adding misc:Depends is generally the right thing to do, even when it causes this warning, because it might be needed with updated versions of debhelper-related tools |
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| 09:51.41 | peterS | (sorry for noise, was testing something) |
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| 09:53.18 | StrixVarius | Oh - I was hoping that warning had something to do with this which came soon after: "dpkg-deb: building package `gtk-gnutella' in `../gtk-gnutella_0.96.3-0_i386.deb'. tar: -: file name read contains nul character" |
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| 09:54.19 | peterS | StrixVarius: that's another harmless warning, actually |
| 09:54.26 | peterS | StrixVarius: and no, the two are not related (: |
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| 09:55.20 | StrixVarius | peterS: Any ideas where the .deb package might be put then? Because that's what I was trying to build and it doesn't seem to be in the directory where I started building it or anything |
| 09:55.33 | StrixVarius | oh shit nm, sorry dude - just went up a level and found it! |
| 09:55.40 | peterS | StrixVarius: should be ../gtk-gnutella_0.96.3-0_i386.deb, as it says |
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| 09:56.12 | StrixVarius | peterS: Thanks for your help; this is the first source I've built in Linux (I just installed Ubuntu like 2 days ago) |
| 09:57.01 | peterS | you shouldn't have admitted that last part. we generally cop an attitude when asked to help Ubuntu users, since apparently we're good enough for tech support but not good enough for actually using our distribution |
| 09:57.47 | StrixVarius | peterS: Isn't Ubuntu built on top of debian? |
| 09:57.48 | peterS | more practically, a lot of ubuntu questions we get do not apply to debian, or the recommended solution for debian will not work on ubuntu, so it kind of wastes our time trying to help ubuntu users |
| 09:58.03 | SlayerXP | peterS: quite right. debian is _old_, everything's about 3 years out of date. |
| 09:58.12 | StrixVarius | I actually thought I was in the right place (since I just used gaim to connect to something like irc.ubuntu.org) |
| 09:58.26 | NefariousPrior | How do I find out at what time my box was booted last ? |
| 09:58.51 | SlayerXP | StrixVarius: it's like oxygen, it's _based_ on oxygen |
| 09:58.51 | pythonic | NefariousPrior: /var/log/syslog |
| 09:58.56 | peterS | StrixVarius: yeah I think you're on the right network, but the right channel would be #ubuntu. never mind, your question did in fact apply to both distributions |
| 09:59.33 | pythonic | NefariousPrior: do you mean the current boot? |
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| 09:59.40 | NefariousPrior | pythonic: That file is not reable by www-data. Any other ideas? |
| 09:59.43 | NefariousPrior | aye |
| 09:59.53 | pythonic | is /proc/uptime any use? |
| 10:00.01 | NefariousPrior | checking..... |
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| 10:00.32 | NefariousPrior | Maybe if I knew was it was displaying. hehe |
| 10:00.34 | rpc | is it possible to reset an eth bridge? |
| 10:01.12 | NefariousPrior | s/was/what |
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| 10:01.34 | pythonic | NefariousPrior: the first number is uptime in seconds |
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| 10:01.46 | pythonic | iirc the second number is idle time in seconds |
| 10:02.01 | NefariousPrior | pythonic: perfect. thanks |
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| 10:03.09 | peterS | NefariousPrior: the usual answer is the 'uptime' or 'last reboot' commands |
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| 10:03.53 | peterS | though I guess when your wtmp file is rotated as often as debian default, 'last reboot' won't usually be meaningful |
| 10:04.05 | NefariousPrior | peterS: Not all that great for scripting though. Too much stuff to filter out, but thanks anyway. |
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| 10:04.58 | kryptoz | Hi all |
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| 10:14.08 | rpc | hmm TX packets:10510575 errors:0 dropped:2568 overruns:4868 carrier:0 |
| 10:14.10 | rpc | what kind of problem could that indicate? |
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| 10:14.18 | londe | after upgrading, my gcc version is ahead of that used to compile the kernel, and becos of this, one program won't work. it is strange that the kernel is not upgraded along with the gcc. how to solve a problem like this? |
| 10:14.20 | MrWup | hey guys i really need some help |
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| 10:15.08 | MrWup | im doing the sarge download and install. ive got to the point of downloading, and lots of sites ive tried it says: gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data format violated failed fetch... packages.gz- sub-process gzip returned error code (1) W: couldn't stat source package |
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| 10:15.40 | MrWup | the one i went for is http://debian.virginmedia.com/dists/stable/main/Packages.gz |
| 10:15.55 | MrWup | oops i mean |
| 10:16.05 | MrWup | the one i went for is http://debian.virginmedia.com/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
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| 10:19.28 | yxa | can i use grep to get lines PLUS x lines after that line? |
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| 10:20.25 | cahoot | yxa: yes |
| 10:20.48 | yxa | cahoot how? |
| 10:21.09 | cahoot | yxa: I suppose you mean the -A option - first in the man |
| 10:21.10 | enouf | yxa: see the -A option |
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| 10:21.53 | yxa | thanks |
| 10:22.34 | MrWup | any ideas guys? |
| 10:22.44 | MrWup | am installing linux26 |
| 10:23.46 | enouf | MrWup: you might need a deb-src line in sources.list .. i have no clue what or why your compiling , nor if that's an official mirror .. try http://ftp.{country-code}.debian.org |
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| 10:24.50 | enouf | MrWup: "linux26" as a boot option is a Sarge installation will give you the 2.6.8 kernel instead of the 2.4.27 one |
| 10:24.58 | enouf | s/is/in |
| 10:25.05 | enouf | MrWup: /msg dpkg ig |
| 10:25.32 | MrWup | enough yeah i know. i used the new kernel cause installing the old one wouldnt work on my server. it always got to the select language of install and then froze |
| 10:25.56 | enouf | okie .. 2.6 kernels are nice ;-) |
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| 10:26.49 | enouf | MrWup: remember the 'uname -r' command .. for future reference |
| 10:27.15 | MrWup | ok i tried the http://ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 10:27.17 | MrWup | still same problem |
| 10:27.25 | MrWup | im literally running the install tool download from debian website |
| 10:27.35 | MrWup | with linux26 kernal |
| 10:27.37 | enouf | huh? |
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| 10:27.54 | MrWup | i downloaded the download+install tool from debian |
| 10:27.57 | MrWup | wrote it to disk |
| 10:27.57 | enouf | are you trying to d/l the ISO for sarge? |
| 10:28.03 | MrWup | booted my server from the disk |
| 10:28.12 | MrWup | then went to F1 and typed linux26 |
| 10:28.22 | MrWup | then installed the installtool and basic core stuff |
| 10:28.31 | MrWup | then it asks me to specify a mirror to download the rest |
| 10:28.40 | enouf | MrWup: you need to be real specific .. I'm not aware of any "download" install tool .. unless you might mean jigdo, or bittorrent? |
| 10:28.41 | MrWup | and i select ftp.uk.debian.org from the list |
| 10:28.54 | MrWup | and boom, errors all round |
| 10:28.54 | enouf | ok |
| 10:29.22 | MrWup | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 10:30.01 | enouf | MrWup: do ctrl-altf4 .. any messages? about failing network conection? |
| 10:30.15 | enouf | MrWup: er .. do ctrl-alt-f4 . |
| 10:30.22 | enouf | alt-f4 actually |
| 10:31.13 | MrWup | no. network connection is fine |
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| 10:31.56 | enouf | MrWup: from the alt-f4 console do an "apt-get update" |
| 10:32.38 | enouf | MrWup: how do you knwo the network connection is fine? |
| 10:33.35 | MrWup | cause it managed to download that 4mb file just fine before saying the package list was fucked |
| 10:33.39 | enouf | what download "install tool" ? |
| 10:33.47 | MrWup | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 10:34.46 | daniele_982 | hello all someone use kdevelop to programm in C? i search to use the code autocompletition but it not found |
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| 10:36.58 | MrWup | lol how weird |
| 10:37.04 | MrWup | uk and us debian sites all same error |
| 10:37.07 | MrWup | i connect to a damned brzilian mirror |
| 10:37.08 | MrWup | and its fine |
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| 10:37.28 | enouf | MrWup: perhaps you mean you d/l the netinstall ISO from here? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso <-- that's where you end up after two links ahead of what you posted .. are you using the i386 arch or the hppa one? |
| 10:37.29 | tdn | Hi. I have a Asus P5N32 mainboard. On board is a wireless access point. I would like to enable this access point. But I do not know how to do this in Linux or if it is even supported. Can I please get some advice on this or maybe just some pointers to information about enabling on board access points in Linux in general? |
| 10:37.44 | zcram | yes you certainly can |
| 10:37.52 | enouf | MrWup: ok .. oh well .. heh |
| 10:38.04 | petemc | MrWup: ftp.uk.debian.org works fine here |
| 10:38.07 | zcram | you'll have to find out what chip the wireless has |
| 10:38.11 | daniele_982 | hello all someone use kdevelop to programm in C? i search to use the code autocompletition but it not found |
| 10:38.15 | zcram | lspci will help perhaps |
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| 10:39.35 | doney | does anyone know what repo i can get the mssfonts package from? |
| 10:39.53 | hark | it's in contrib.. msttcorefonts |
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| 10:40.38 | doney | do you know the address of contrib |
| 10:40.55 | doney | or don't i just copy the line and rename it to contrib |
| 10:41.06 | hark | doney: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 10:41.21 | hark | you add it at the end of your sources.list, where it says main |
| 10:41.23 | enouf | daniele_982: if nobody replies; (I wonder if a #kdevelop exists .. also check these channels and others of irc.debian.org) try #C , #debian-kde , maybe even #debian-qt-kde just to ask where to ask :-P |
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| 10:41.52 | hark | http://www.kdevelop.org/mediawiki/index.php/FAQ#Code_Completion_FAQs |
| 10:42.07 | daniele_982 | enouf: i search #kdevelop but it not exist |
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| 10:42.45 | enouf | daniele_982: just checked too :-( .. atleast not of freenode.net |
| 10:43.34 | enouf | try this is your client --> /cs list #*kdev* <-- here , and over at irc.debian.org |
| 10:43.43 | hark | irc.kde.org |
| 10:43.54 | enouf | better still ;-P |
| 10:43.56 | daniele_982 | hark: i've seen this faq in fact for c++ code it found but not for c |
| 10:44.29 | cancos | hi every1! A while ago I've found a command switch of I think apt-get which installs all the packages you listed in a file beforehand. forgot to jot it down :( |
| 10:44.40 | cancos | can any1 help? |
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| 10:45.32 | enouf | !reinstall |
| 10:45.33 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 10:46.40 | hark | !selections |
| 10:46.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, ffs copy is run "dpkg --get-selections > foo.txt" on the source, copy foo.txt to the destination and run "dpkg --set-selections < foo.txt ; apt-get -u dselect-upgrade" on the destination. |
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| 10:47.14 | cancos | thank you sooo much! |
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| 10:49.13 | dimir | !any1 |
| 10:49.13 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 10:49.27 | enouf | !ne1 |
| 10:49.28 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 10:50.22 | nalpha | #flood test |
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| 10:51.28 | SlayerXP | not so much "(circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s)" as "(c) SlayerXP 1993-2007" |
| 10:52.41 | enouf | !knoppixsmite SlayerXP |
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| 10:53.26 | hark | dweeb |
| 10:54.56 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 10:54.57 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 10:55.06 | zcram | lol |
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| 10:55.36 | scorphus | Hi all, I'm having problems with memory bloat. I go and open regular programs and the memory usage keeps increasing continuously until the computer becomes unusable! Then I have to restart the X session for it go back to 13% of usage. I have 512MB of RAM and 1GB of swap. Please help. |
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| 10:56.14 | enouf | stop using bloated apps .. and stop messing with your swappiness settings |
| 10:57.04 | enouf | especially bloated apps 'with memeory leaks' |
| 10:57.10 | enouf | -e |
| 10:57.15 | scorphus | the most actively bloating one is Iceweasel himself |
| 10:57.28 | hark | that's normal |
| 10:57.30 | enouf | you don't say? |
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| 10:59.17 | cancos | i might be banned from this channel instantly, but think that Opera is the faster choice, unless you miss Mozilla's very good find utility |
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| 10:59.27 | enouf | scorphus: you probably want to add mucho mas RAM (like another 1.5GB) .. for your purposes .. just a hunch |
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| 10:59.51 | Gnea | !opera |
| 10:59.51 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite which handles common internet-related tasks including visiting web sites, sending and receiving e-mail messages. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. |
| 10:59.57 | langly | the bug that effects some matrox csards under xorg is effecting me, but none of the fixes that work are working for me due to being on alpha not x86 |
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| 11:00.13 | liable | seems i am too retarded to set up a wds bridge.. |
| 11:00.22 | langly | is there anything much I can currently do, or will I just have to wait for them to finally come out with a newer version that does not have the bug |
| 11:00.33 | scorphus | enouf: yeah... probably. I just wanted to alleviate things before I can afford it |
| 11:00.34 | Gnea | langly: not many alpha users out there... have you tried the mailing lists? |
| 11:00.40 | langly | I tried all the suggested fixes and ran into issues with each as its alpha and not x86 |
| 11:00.58 | langly | I read a bunch and several bug reports all found via google |
| 11:01.05 | enouf | langly: which kernel? |
| 11:01.07 | langly | very bloody annoying |
| 11:01.08 | langly | 2.4 |
| 11:01.15 | Gnea | you can't use 2.6? |
| 11:01.21 | Gnea | 2.4 is old |
| 11:01.36 | langly | 2.4-27-3 |
| 11:01.36 | enouf | check the changelogs .. see if you can benefit from 2.6.x |
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| 11:01.56 | langly | I tried to put in 2.6 kept getting unalligned trap errors |
| 11:02.04 | enouf | langly: there's many patches to that kerenl though .. i think it's up to .40 now or something |
| 11:02.05 | Gnea | langly: yeah, that's just too old to be of any concern... newer drivers are going to rely more on a newer 2.6 kernel |
| 11:02.16 | Gnea | langly: which 2.6? |
| 11:02.27 | enouf | Xorg on 2.4? .. hrmm |
| 11:02.35 | langly | I had looked up the bug, it was the video-mga driver, and people on the 2.6 were having it as well |
| 11:02.50 | Gnea | did you get any bug numbers? |
| 11:02.54 | enouf | that in itself is a bit odd ... i guess you compiled it yourself? |
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| 11:02.55 | langly | wish 2.6 would go on this properly but it doesnt seem to want to |
| 11:03.03 | langly | naw, just the apt-get install |
| 11:03.20 | langly | as I have been having many other issues didnt wanna put that much time into doing it |
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| 11:03.26 | scorphus | thanks |
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| 11:03.43 | langly | grr tpying a little slow due to neing on a minikeyboard |
| 11:03.46 | Gnea | well if no one's compiled their own kernel for it, then maybe it needs to be done. |
| 11:03.52 | langly | just got a new setup and this keyboard is a tad annoying |
| 11:04.03 | langly | cant type at full speed due to the size of the keyyboard |
| 11:04.12 | Gnea | so get another one |
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| 11:04.25 | langly | no space on the desk for a full size one heh |
| 11:04.26 | Gnea | what, is it an older libretto? |
| 11:04.28 | enouf | langly: 2.6.18 is the etch kernel now .. so what may have been still affecting 2.6.8 is liekly not affecting more recent kernels |
| 11:04.30 | langly | too much other stuff |
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| 11:04.36 | fearoffish | Morning all |
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| 11:05.15 | enouf | nooo.. my dpkg |
| 11:05.16 | cancos | hello fishophobia! |
| 11:05.22 | enouf | dpkg: wb |
| 11:05.22 | dpkg | thanks, enouf. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.42 | vlt | Hello. Is there a safer way to start a process with a timeout when the process will be killed (if not finished before) than `./command & sleep 60; kill $!`? |
| 11:05.51 | fearoffish | Now then :) |
| 11:06.09 | enouf | cancos: your opera comment is fine ;-) .. we just try not to get hungup in browser wars, or any other ones, like editors, etc |
| 11:06.49 | cancos | oki... :) |
| 11:07.01 | vlt | I'm looking for a safer way because the process id stored in "$!" could belong to a completely different new process meanwhile ... |
| 11:07.12 | vlt | Any idea? |
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| 11:09.52 | enouf | vlt: well check out screen maybe .. and see http://wooledge.org/mywiki/ProcessManagement and #bash |
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| 11:11.15 | liable | how does screen solve that issue? |
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| 11:13.47 | valdyn | vlt: man start-stop-daemon |
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| 11:14.22 | valdyn | vlt: examples are in /etc/init.d/ too |
| 11:14.52 | Fox | vlt: less /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 11:16.25 | enouf | liable: i was thinking it can do the same thing .. own/disown, background etc ... and may offer more functionality .. twas just a thought .. and fro that matter see dtach too |
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| 11:19.46 | fearoffish | does anyone happen to know how to get vim to not be tiny when I open it? exiting back out then resets my terminal size to the same, almost like a window in the terminal |
| 11:19.54 | Langly1 | this is the bug I am having trouble with https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/xserver-xorg-video-mga/+bug/58721 |
| 11:20.11 | Langly1 | has people with the issue all the way up to current |
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| 11:20.24 | aeronadix | hi |
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| 11:22.45 | yang | How is properly done a kernel initrd image...After booting I get error - unable to mount fs |
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| 11:23.19 | aeronadix | so I have a wierd setup I wanted to fix up. I have hda & hdb. I installed Linux on hda and then upgraded to 2.6.18, but it didn't work and I couldn't boot, so I installed on hdb and then repaired hda; cause I didnt have boot disk. Now my issue is that, grub goes to /boot on /hdb and I want it to go to /boot on hda |
| 11:23.49 | langly | Illyria:/usr/src# tar -xjf linux-2.6.20.tar.bz2 |
| 11:23.49 | langly | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 11:23.49 | langly | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 11:23.50 | langly | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 11:23.50 | langly | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 11:23.55 | Langly1 | err sorry |
| 11:24.01 | valdyn | aeronadix: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:24.14 | yang | Langly1: you need to bzip2 -d file |
| 11:24.21 | Langly1 | Ah ok |
| 11:24.25 | Langly1 | I was following https://secure.engr.oregonstate.edu/wiki/CS411/index.php/Kernel_Upgrade_Guide |
| 11:24.37 | Langly1 | which told me tar -xjf linux-<version number>.tar.bz2 |
| 11:24.38 | valdyn | Langly1: install bzip2 |
| 11:24.38 | aeronadix | valdyn, yes, but you see, I want my system to use /boot /grub/menu.lst on /hda, instead of the one on hdb |
| 11:24.58 | valdyn | aeronadix: both is determined by /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:25.00 | Langly1 | ok thats lol |
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| 11:25.10 | lunitik | !lil |
| 11:25.11 | dpkg | The second stage boot loader has been started, but it can't load the descriptor table from the map file. This is typically caused by a media failure or by a geometry mismatch. |
| 11:25.13 | lunitik | !lol |
| 11:25.13 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 11:25.29 | Langly1 | for some reason this client wont see pms from my linux box, but I can see myself in chat |
| 11:25.36 | aeronadix | valdyn, I have two menu.lst, one on hda & one on hdb. Right now my mbr looks to the one on hdb, how do I make it look to hda? |
| 11:25.47 | Langly1 | thats why I pasted to chan, I would have pastebinedotherwise |
| 11:26.02 | ivalladt | line LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 in my /etc/environment is being ignored, any ideas? |
| 11:26.04 | yang | Do I have to set do_bootloader = Yes in /etc/kernel-img.conf for initrd to boot? |
| 11:26.10 | valdyn | aeronadix: edit the current /boot/grub/menu.lst and run 'grub-install /dev/whatever' |
| 11:26.47 | lunitik | yang: uhh... no |
| 11:26.52 | Langly1 | grr now I jsut get "No such file or directory, but ls shows it as being there |
| 11:26.57 | aeronadix | valdyn, is whatever, the going to be /boot directory I want? |
| 11:27.31 | valdyn | aeronadix: 'whatever' is the harddisk you want to install grub on |
| 11:28.21 | valdyn | aeronadix: maybe you should know: menu.lst is read when doing grub-install for grub to know what to install on your mbr, its also read on boot time for grub to know which boot menu entries to show |
| 11:28.33 | yang | lunitik: why do i get unable to mount fs error then |
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| 11:29.03 | lunitik | yang: wrong config of /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 11:29.21 | yang | lunitik: its a parisc machine |
| 11:29.22 | aeronadix | valdyn, is there a way to read the mbr? |
| 11:29.30 | valdyn | aeronadix: why? |
| 11:29.37 | valdyn | aeronadix: i think i forgot about one thing |
| 11:29.47 | lunitik | yang: shouldn't matter, although I have no idea if GRUB even works on that platform.... |
| 11:29.54 | valdyn | aeronadix: you should mount your going to be '/boot' |
| 11:30.05 | yang | lunitik: the boot loader is called "palo" |
| 11:30.09 | valdyn | aeronadix: like 'mount /dev/hda1 /boot' or whatever |
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| 11:30.28 | lunitik | yang: yeah, I know nothing about that... sorry |
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| 11:30.55 | valdyn | aeronadix: so in order : mount your going to be /boot, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst, run 'grub-install /dev/hdb' |
| 11:31.05 | Langly1 | grr now I jsut get "No such file or directory, but ls shows it as being there what the frack is up with that? |
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| 11:31.41 | aeronadix | valdyn, and don't specify the partition number, just use /dev/hdb not /dev/hdb5? |
| 11:32.14 | lunitik | aeronadix: mbr isn't technically a partition |
| 11:32.20 | valdyn | aeronadix: grub-install being your primary boot manager needs to be on the master boot record of hda or hdb or whatever, not on a partition |
| 11:32.24 | aeronadix | lunitik, is there a way to read it? |
| 11:32.28 | valdyn | aeronadix: grub-install installing your primary boot manager needs to be on the master boot record of hda or hdb or whatever, not on a partition |
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| 11:33.29 | aeronadix | I have two harddrives, how do I know if my system is booting master(hda) mbr or the slave(hdb) drive? |
| 11:33.40 | tarzeau | aeronadix: grub says so? |
| 11:33.59 | aeronadix | is there a way to read mbr/ |
| 11:34.59 | lunitik | aeronadix: what exactly do you think that would get you? there are no files etc in mbr, just binaries.... |
| 11:35.14 | lunitik | hell I don't even know if there is that... just instructions to boot the machine |
| 11:35.24 | tarzeau | aeronadix: /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 11:35.46 | lunitik | tarzeau: he wants to see what's in the MBR for some strange reason :/ |
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| 11:36.04 | aeronadix | tarzeau, I wanted to figure out if my system was using mbr from hda or hdb. Cause I think its using hdb and I want it to use hda |
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| 11:36.43 | Langly1 | figured it out |
| 11:36.50 | tarzeau | aeronadix: what says your bios? |
| 11:36.51 | lunitik | aeronadix: you define that in the BIOS... |
| 11:36.51 | Langly1 | a new console did it fine, while the current had issues |
| 11:36.53 | Langly1 | odd |
| 11:36.56 | cahoot | aeronadix: you can dd the first 512 bytes and run strings on the output to see if grub is mentioned - but that won't tell from where the boot process starts |
| 11:36.58 | aeronadix | lunitik, see what happen is, I install second harddrive and install linux on it. THen I repair hda |
| 11:37.08 | tarzeau | aeronadix: you can run file -s on /dev/hda and hdb to find out |
| 11:37.37 | lunitik | aeronadix: add whatever is now on HDA to GRUB, and use that to boot both systems :/ |
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| 11:38.25 | aeronadix | lunitik, I did that, but now I want to format hdb, and cause I don't need it anymore, but I am still using /boot on hdb |
| 11:38.51 | lunitik | aeronadix: go into the BIOS and have it read HDA first :/ |
| 11:38.58 | lunitik | and don't let it use hdb at all |
| 11:39.08 | lunitik | problem solved...... |
| 11:39.09 | Langly1 | one small issue, this guide https://secure.engr.oregonstate.edu/wiki/CS411/index.php/Kernel_Upgrade_Guide wont work for me on one point, as the system is an Alpha, its not using grub as the bootloader |
| 11:39.14 | aeronadix | I am just gonna do grub install and see what happen |
| 11:39.19 | Langly1 | what bootloader config file DO I need to EDIT |
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| 11:39.47 | Langly1 | i know its milo |
| 11:39.55 | Langly1 | but i dont know where its config file is |
| 11:40.05 | valdyn | Langly1: /etc/milo.conf? |
| 11:40.17 | lunitik | Langly1: uhh... dpgk -L milo would be enlightening.... |
| 11:40.30 | Langly1 | nope valdyn |
| 11:40.54 | Langly1 | wth package milo is not installed, I was sure it was grr |
| 11:40.59 | Langly1 | damned new to working with Alphas |
| 11:41.06 | lunitik | Langly1: dpkg -l | grep milo ? |
| 11:41.24 | lunitik | lilo perhaps? (I never heard of milo) |
| 11:41.29 | Langly1 | grr perhaps somehow I am using a differnt boot loade,r but I know the debian installer installed milo |
| 11:41.39 | MrWup | aha!!!! |
| 11:41.41 | Langly1 | lunitik its for alpha only |
| 11:41.42 | MrWup | finally installed my debian |
| 11:41.48 | Langly1 | at is boots from a SRM console |
| 11:41.59 | MrWup | can anyone point a helpless noob like me in the direction of starting my desktop now that ive logged in? |
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| 11:42.19 | valdyn | Langly1: it IS /etc/milo.conf |
| 11:42.22 | aeronadix | startyx |
| 11:42.24 | aeronadix | startx |
| 11:42.47 | lunitik | MrWup: ^^ |
| 11:42.47 | Langly1 | valdyn then my system isnt using milo even though I was sure the debian installer pput it in |
| 11:42.57 | Langly1 | Ill have to check a few things bbl |
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| 11:43.06 | elshaa | hi |
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| 11:43.14 | lunitik | so many strange arch's today.... weird |
| 11:43.16 | valdyn | Langly1: /etc/aboot.conf? |
| 11:43.17 | MrWup | hmmm |
| 11:43.18 | MrWup | startx |
| 11:43.20 | MrWup | command not found |
| 11:43.22 | lunitik | !hi elshaa |
| 11:43.26 | valdyn | MrWup: so? |
| 11:43.28 | Langly1 | Ah ha, that would be it |
| 11:43.30 | MrWup | i did terll it to download and install the desktop stuff |
| 11:43.37 | MrWup | during the download+install |
| 11:43.45 | cafuego_ | stupid Penix |
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| 11:43.50 | lunitik | MrWup: apt-get install x-window-system-core somedesktopyoulike |
| 11:44.02 | JMC | Hi everybody |
| 11:44.14 | lunitik | cafuego_: Penix still comes here? |
| 11:44.20 | lunitik | !hi JMC |
| 11:44.23 | cafuego_ | lunitik: yup |
| 11:44.26 | cafuego_ | !seen Penix |
| 11:44.26 | dpkg | penix <n=wenas@unaffiliated/penix> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2h 1m 28s ago, saying: 'cafuego_: check it out. ppp161-133.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net. 1.5mbit line. only took me about 5 years :)'. |
| 11:44.33 | JMC | after updating etch yesterday I cannot have postfix working |
| 11:44.33 | lunitik | Weird |
| 11:44.36 | lunitik | !kick |
| 11:44.39 | JMC | I get 2 error messages |
| 11:44.43 | lunitik | where the hell is the bot :S |
| 11:44.50 | JMC | warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 21548 exit status 127 |
| 11:44.55 | JMC | and |
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| 11:44.59 | JMC | warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling |
| 11:45.10 | MrWup | lunitik which desktop system would you recommend? |
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| 11:45.19 | JMC | I noticed that master.cf has been changed |
| 11:45.25 | aeronadix | that did it, grub-install /dev/hda |
| 11:45.26 | JMC | at least the date |
| 11:45.44 | lunitik | MrWup: Did you look into Linux at all before you decided to install it? Perhaps you should try some LiveCD's and get a taste for them yourself? |
| 11:45.58 | valdyn | aeronadix: what was your mounted /boot when you ran that command? |
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| 11:46.09 | MrWup | no im a complete noob. only installed cause i need to use linux for voip pbx system |
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| 11:46.29 | valdyn | MrWup: you don't need a desktop system then |
| 11:46.52 | valdyn | MrWup: in fact, X is bad to run on servers |
| 11:47.11 | lunitik | MrWup: Ubuntu has LiveCD's for KDE (Kubuntu), Gnome (Ubuntu itself), and XFce (Xubuntu) .... try at least Kubuntu and Ubuntu (KDE and Gnome) |
| 11:47.11 | fearoffish | MrWup: May I recommend you get a book |
| 11:47.14 | aeronadix | valdyn, the one on hda |
| 11:47.15 | cafuego_ | MrWup: Well, Trixbox runs fine in vmware on whatever platform. |
| 11:47.26 | Langly1 | FRACK |
| 11:47.35 | valdyn | aeronadix: alright, i was worried your grub might still be looking for its stage files on hdb |
| 11:47.38 | Langly1 | make menuconfig failed witha ton of errors |
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| 11:47.43 | aeronadix | valdyn, so what if I want to format /hdb, how can I set it up for mounting? |
| 11:48.02 | aeronadix | valdyn, yeah, me too, but then, it wasn't mounted, so I went for it |
| 11:48.04 | lunitik | MrWup: how much tinkering you do you intend to do? what kind of system are you using Linux on? |
| 11:48.06 | Langly1 | mostly undecalred stuff |
| 11:48.11 | valdyn | aeronadix: ok |
| 11:48.17 | lunitik | MrWup: safe to assume you're coming from Windows? |
| 11:48.23 | valdyn | aeronadix: i would disconnect hdb and verify that grub is fine with just hda |
| 11:48.33 | fearoffish | For anyone interested, I just bought the Linux Administration Handbook (2nd ed) and it's nicely put together. |
| 11:48.35 | aeronadix | valdyn, yeah, I rebooted |
| 11:48.37 | JMC | lunitik, any idea? |
| 11:48.42 | valdyn | aeronadix: fdisk is the tool to create partitions, mkfs the tool to create filesystems |
| 11:48.53 | MrWup | lunitik hp proliant server. i need to do a lot of stuff- install firewall/proxy stuff, mail server, stuff to emulate windows update wsus server, install and configure asterisk, set up apache |
| 11:49.02 | MrWup | and without a gui im a bit at sea |
| 11:49.02 | aeronadix | valdyn, well I think, cfdisk, will do both those no? |
| 11:49.22 | valdyn | aeronadix: nope, cfdisk functionality is just fdisk |
| 11:49.23 | MrWup | would be nice if i could get the gui and at least have a web browser so i could look things up and try them out as i do things |
| 11:49.39 | MrWup | and then once its all set up i can deactivate the gui if thats bad for performance or whatever |
| 11:49.49 | valdyn | aeronadix: all cfdisk does is set a partition type ID value. That value is not useful for much at all |
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| 11:50.24 | lunitik | MrWup: I probably wouldn't use Debian for GUI network administration *cough*SUSE's YaST*cough* |
| 11:50.24 | frex | what's a good notepad under gnome? |
| 11:50.30 | valdyn | MrWup: its primarily bad for stability and security |
| 11:50.44 | aeronadix | valdyn, hmm, so I better mkfs then, what should I use ext3? |
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| 11:50.53 | cancos | frex: Beaver |
| 11:50.54 | lunitik | frex: umm... you mean text editor..... gedit, kate, kwrite, etc etc... depends what you want |
| 11:50.54 | valdyn | aeronadix: yea |
| 11:50.55 | MrWup | so i should get Yast and install it on debian? |
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| 11:51.02 | valdyn | MrWup: no |
| 11:51.03 | lunitik | MrWup: you can't |
| 11:51.07 | MrWup | or just destroy hours of work, get rid of debian and use suse? |
| 11:51.13 | aeronadix | valdyn, do I mount it first? |
| 11:51.21 | valdyn | MrWup: you already got told what to install.. |
| 11:51.24 | lunitik | MrWup: I'm just saying you probably made about the worst choice possible for your needs |
| 11:51.37 | spacenerve | hi, i need mysql 4.1 on my system .... in order to be able to make sense of some data we imported from a v5 system ......... |
| 11:51.39 | cahoot | why does this command still display msgs in the terminal: wget $url --output-document=/tmp/my.file >/dev/null 2>&1 ? |
| 11:51.40 | valdyn | MrWup: if you want to use suse, use suse. It's your decision |
| 11:51.41 | hark | frex: well, mousepad is a notepad clone |
| 11:51.49 | valdyn | MrWup: debian is just better though, obviously |
| 11:51.51 | MrWup | =[ |
| 11:52.04 | spacenerve | so i installed 4.1 ...... now php is puking ..... seems it's linked against 4.0 client library ....... how to resolve that? :< |
| 11:52.11 | lunitik | valdyn: for graphical configuration, it's certainly now :S |
| 11:52.17 | lunitik | not* |
| 11:52.28 | frex | thanks for the suggestions! |
| 11:52.28 | cancos | frex: try out beaver, it's fast and very good, still w/o too many options: http://www.nongnu.org/beaver/ |
| 11:52.53 | frex | cancos: apt-get install beaver?? |
| 11:52.55 | cancos | it's in etch repos. as well |
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| 11:53.06 | cancos | i think so :) |
| 11:53.14 | vlt | enouf, valdyn: Thank you, start-stop-daemon seems to work. |
| 11:53.32 | cancos | nut if you have sarge, it's not there, although you can compile it |
| 11:54.14 | enouf | vlt: valdyn and perhpas Fox deserve credit ... i suck ;-) |
| 11:54.22 | lunitik | cancos: nut? |
| 11:54.25 | enouf | valdyn: but your welcome anyway ;-) |
| 11:54.31 | valdyn | cahoot: does it? |
| 11:54.36 | cancos | hihi nut -u+o |
| 11:54.36 | aeronadix | so how do I make my system automount a new partition on boot up? |
| 11:54.43 | cancos | so, not |
| 11:54.56 | lunitik | aeronadix: man fstab |
| 11:55.16 | cahoot | valdyn: yes all about resolving the url and the rest |
| 11:55.16 | aeronadix | lunitik, thanks |
| 11:55.27 | valdyn | cahoot: im not getting output |
| 11:55.55 | cahoot | valdyn: could it be that I'm running it in a script ? |
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| 11:58.00 | valdyn | cahoot: i don't see how |
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| 11:58.31 | valdyn | cahoot: maybe if i saw the script i'd understand, but off the top of my head i dont see how this could make output show |
| 11:59.11 | cancos | lalala |
| 11:59.11 | spacenerve | hmmm.... why bother including mysql 4.1 if nothing is linked against it? :\ am i missing something? |
| 11:59.22 | valdyn | spacenerve: on which debian release? |
| 11:59.33 | spacenerve | sarge |
| 11:59.43 | valdyn | !info mysql-server sarge |
| 11:59.49 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.24-10sarge2 (sarge), Packaged size: 3560 kB, Installed size: 8344 kB |
| 11:59.51 | spacenerve | specifically i just want to link php against it .... |
| 12:00.03 | valdyn | !info mysql-server-4.1 sarge |
| 12:00.08 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.1.11a-4sarge7 (sarge), Packaged size: 14217 kB, Installed size: 30420 kB |
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| 12:00.59 | spacenerve | rite .... mysql-server-4.1 is what i've installed ...... but it's pretty much no use to me without apps that can talk to it? :/ |
| 12:01.00 | valdyn | spacenerve: there's extra packages linked against 4.1? |
| 12:01.08 | spacenerve | where? :) |
| 12:01.31 | valdyn | spacenerve: which package do you need? |
| 12:01.35 | spacenerve | theres no php-mysql-4.1 ....... which is wot i'd guess it'd b called :) |
| 12:01.47 | spacenerve | ^ i need mod_php support for mysql4.1 .... |
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| 12:07.03 | valdyn | spacenerve: 'apt-get install libmysqlclient14-dev; sudo apt-get build-dep mysql-php; fakeroot apt-get -b source mysql-php' would be one way |
| 12:07.13 | Langly1 | whats the latest STABLE linux kernel |
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| 12:07.27 | Langly1 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ are they all stable, or are some testing/unstabl |
| 12:07.38 | valdyn | spacenerve: im not sure there's prebuild packages anywhere |
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| 12:08.28 | spacenerve | awesome stuff valdyn, thanks, i'll giv that a try ..... |
| 12:08.53 | Langly1 | nm |
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| 12:09.10 | cahoot | valdyn: you were right of course - the problem was further up in the script |
| 12:09.11 | Langly1 | I just keep having make menuconfig fail, while make oldconfig works fine |
| 12:09.34 | valdyn | Langly1: fail with an error message? |
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| 12:09.44 | Langly1 | whole bunch of them |
| 12:09.45 | GhostInTheShell | Langly1: install libncurses5 |
| 12:09.52 | valdyn | !b-e Langly1 |
| 12:09.52 | dpkg | Langly1: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 12:09.53 | CcSsNET | sup all |
| 12:10.09 | valdyn | GhostInTheShell: really libncurses5-dev |
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| 12:10.33 | CcSsNET | ghost in the shell is a good anime |
| 12:10.34 | CcSsNET | lol |
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| 12:10.36 | Langly1 | yep I needed that heh |
| 12:10.43 | xand | "good" anime doesn't make it good |
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| 12:10.54 | CcSsNET | i got season 1 on dvd |
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| 12:11.16 | CcSsNET | or should i say volume 1 |
| 12:11.17 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:11.22 | tenzing_ | hi ... what is the package name for sdl in debian?? is it libsdl1.2debian-all? |
| 12:11.38 | Langly1 | I can manage to install gentoo fine, but the damned guides for such things as kernel upgrading for debian dont bother mentioning such things as having build-essential;, I thought I had all my needed stuff heh |
| 12:12.26 | CcSsNET | langly1 i have a goooooood guide for you |
| 12:12.26 | CcSsNET | goto ccssnet.org |
| 12:12.29 | CcSsNET | click refreance |
| 12:12.36 | CcSsNET | and youll find it in the txt section |
| 12:12.53 | Langly1 | thanks |
| 12:13.04 | CcSsNET | a friend of mine wrote it, im just hostingit |
| 12:13.23 | valdyn | CcSsNET: broken =/, needs a 'www.' in front |
| 12:13.36 | CcSsNET | hrm |
| 12:13.40 | Langly1 | I can manage to do stuff fine, but when I dont even know about somethign needing to be installed there are problems lol |
| 12:13.42 | CcSsNET | sorry bout that |
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| 12:13.55 | CcSsNET | ill fix my dns record later |
| 12:14.42 | CcSsNET | that guide deserves to be in the chanell topic lmao |
| 12:14.45 | CcSsNET | its flawless |
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| 12:15.29 | Langly1 | AH didnt have kernel-package either |
| 12:15.36 | Langly1 | now thats a helpful guide |
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| 12:15.52 | miles | hi |
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| 12:15.56 | Langly1 | https://secure.engr.oregonstate.edu/wiki/CS411/index.php/Kernel_Upgrade_Guide was only giving the main steps, nothing about what you need to make sure you ALREADY have installed |
| 12:16.34 | CcSsNET | thx :) |
| 12:16.36 | kryptoz | Hi all |
| 12:16.43 | kryptoz | have anyone tried to install lyceum ? |
| 12:16.48 | miles | this is wierd - i cant access sites because they come up as 1.0.0.0, but if i do a nslookup before, then it finds them |
| 12:16.51 | kryptoz | or any other multiple blog applications ? |
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| 12:16.55 | miles | can anyone help with that? |
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| 12:17.14 | CcSsNET | miles you got a dns problem? |
| 12:17.22 | spacenerve | valdyn: .... :) dude, uhmmm,, it's throwing a E: Build-dependencies for php4-mysql could not be satisfied. ...... :| i figr i need to install some more -dev packages ;) ... |
| 12:17.27 | kryptoz | miles: are you using any proxy ? |
| 12:17.30 | CcSsNET | check your dns settings and or your route |
| 12:17.36 | miles | must have. i have a modem, and then a linksys wrt54g hub behind that |
| 12:17.48 | spacenerve | so i'm trying to install a couple of those and it's throwing: |
| 12:17.49 | spacenerve | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 12:17.49 | spacenerve | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.56 | miles | no proxy |
| 12:18.06 | spacenerve | which strikes me as strange because therez nothing funni in my sources.list so far as i can see :| |
| 12:18.13 | miles | dns server is 192.168.1.1, which is the modem |
| 12:18.15 | kryptoz | so when you do a nslookup the website shows potentially the correct ip ? |
| 12:18.31 | kryptoz | can you try "telnet <whatever-websitehere> 80" ? |
| 12:18.35 | miles | yep, and then i try and ping it it works |
| 12:18.39 | spacenerve | pardon my no0b'ishness, i'm not familiar w doing this sortv stuf on debian :) |
| 12:18.42 | CcSsNET | check your default gateway setting as well |
| 12:18.45 | miles | ping yahoo.com |
| 12:18.57 | kryptoz | if ping works the gateway should be okay I guess.. |
| 12:19.03 | pythonic | nmap yahoo.com :-) |
| 12:19.15 | kryptoz | telnet yahoo.com 80 and then type "GET /" |
| 12:19.15 | CcSsNET | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.22 | kryptoz | see it gives you anything .. |
| 12:19.25 | miles | actually ping works straight away anyway |
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| 12:19.45 | miles | its web pages, or if i do apt-get that causes problems |
| 12:20.38 | kryptoz | miles: you can see whether the telnet get connects to port 80 |
| 12:21.04 | janttsu | any ideas how i could get timestamps from sar as 24-hour clock? now it something like 01:45:01 PM |
| 12:21.05 | miles | yep that works |
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| 12:21.59 | miles | but in my webpage browser most stuff doesnt |
| 12:22.18 | miles | can't even get google, but i can ping it |
| 12:22.19 | CcSsNET | gateway is missconfigured maybe |
| 12:22.21 | CcSsNET | ::cough:: |
| 12:22.32 | miles | right, |
| 12:22.52 | Knight_Lord | The eth0 from my firewall stopped working?!? |
| 12:22.58 | Knight_Lord | The only message I have is: |
| 12:22.59 | Knight_Lord | vprintk+0x29e/0x2ea |
| 12:23.03 | CcSsNET | miles, my guess is both your modem and your linksys router are both routers |
| 12:23.12 | CcSsNET | can you "log in to" your modem? |
| 12:23.14 | Knight_Lord | Mar 21 12:55:40 sb-fw kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or some driv |
| 12:23.15 | Knight_Lord | er is hogging interupts |
| 12:23.15 | Knight_Lord | Mar 21 12:55:40 sb-fw kernel: rip vprintk+0x29e/0x2ea |
| 12:23.26 | Knight_Lord | Any idea what this means? |
| 12:23.33 | CcSsNET | if soooo then you need to configure one not to be a router, and or route trafic threw both |
| 12:23.36 | miles | yep om in there now |
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| 12:24.10 | CcSsNET | let me guess its a westel? |
| 12:24.11 | miles | well, the modem assigns dhcp to the wirless router, that assigns dhcp to me |
| 12:24.11 | CcSsNET | the modem |
| 12:24.26 | miles | modem is a safecom wireless is as linksys wrt54g |
| 12:24.29 | CcSsNET | o ok |
| 12:24.43 | miles | sigh... windows works ok like this |
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| 12:25.16 | CcSsNET | well configure your modem with one set of ips say 192.168.1.#'s and the rotour like 10.0.0.# or something |
| 12:25.30 | CcSsNET | assign the linksys gateway as the ip of the modem you assign |
| 12:25.32 | CcSsNET | ect ect |
| 12:25.34 | miles | ok |
| 12:26.01 | miles | so my side(client side) |
| 12:26.02 | CcSsNET | and good luck forwarding ports with two routers |
| 12:26.15 | CcSsNET | if you can turn off the router feature of the modem that would be ideal |
| 12:26.43 | miles | of the modem not the wirelss hub behind it? |
| 12:27.12 | CcSsNET | yea of the modem, cuz im sure youd rather use the linksys right? |
| 12:27.19 | miles | ok, but the linksys is behind the modem, |
| 12:27.23 | CcSsNET | yes |
| 12:27.34 | CcSsNET | but all your modem has to do is act as a gateway |
| 12:27.38 | CcSsNET | not as a router |
| 12:27.45 | CcSsNET | its assigning dhcp i assume |
| 12:27.45 | miles | ok, so ill try to disable the router function on thje modem |
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| 12:27.50 | CcSsNET | it doesnt need to |
| 12:27.53 | miles | yes, so i want to stop that? |
| 12:28.25 | CcSsNET | no point in having two of the same function one inside the other |
| 12:28.29 | miles | k |
| 12:28.35 | CcSsNET | so do what works for you but thats just my advice |
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| 12:29.58 | miles | so what addresses shall i use? gateway of the modem will be 192.168.0.1, put the linksys and the client pcs on a different subnet? |
| 12:29.58 | miles | or all on the 192.168.0 range |
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| 12:30.24 | anapivirtua_ | hi all |
| 12:30.27 | frex | hi all |
| 12:31.18 | miles | ? |
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| 12:32.10 | waKKu | hi folks.. |
| 12:32.20 | miles | then on the linksys, do i manualy put in the dns set by my ip, or set dns to the gateway? |
| 12:32.25 | CcSsNET | miles, you dont want both routers assigning the same ip numbers via there individual dhcp servers |
| 12:32.26 | frex | I'm suddenly not able to unzip files anymore. I'm using Gnome. What happened? |
| 12:32.30 | CcSsNET | it willll mess shit up |
| 12:32.33 | frex | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 12:32.35 | GhostInTheShell | miles: your public IP ->modem->192.168.1.1->linksys->10.0.0.1(Local network) i think... but i'm not quite shure |
| 12:32.41 | miles | ok |
| 12:33.06 | CcSsNET | which is why i think the modem should use a static internal ip |
| 12:33.10 | miles | looking for the disable dhcp feature on modem but cant find it. oh well |
| 12:33.16 | CcSsNET | and the router should deal with assigning the dhcp |
| 12:33.35 | CcSsNET | but if not just keep them difrent |
| 12:33.49 | CcSsNET | and make sure you route it correctly |
| 12:33.57 | frex | when trying to unzip (associated helper application does not exist) << it was working before, what happened? How do I fix? |
| 12:34.05 | CcSsNET | default gateway of linksys is the lan ip of modem |
| 12:34.11 | CcSsNET | for correct routing ^ |
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| 12:34.32 | miles | k, id rather do thingscorrectly |
| 12:34.45 | waKKu | folks.. can someone help me with pam and pam_mkhomedir.so ? i'm getting errors with this module .. when logging with an user that have no home dir, i'm getting (with strace -e mkdir) permission denied to create your home, but i can (as root) create dirs normally |
| 12:34.48 | CcSsNET | theres many ways to do many things |
| 12:35.01 | CcSsNET | some are more logical then others none are simply correct |
| 12:35.06 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:35.42 | miles | ok, the browser wont work properly to make changes :( how do i inistall firefox into gnome? |
| 12:35.56 | ebbs | hi, how can I send an alert message from the bash to the xserver... so, that a window is opened and the message within? |
| 12:36.00 | miles | and install xmms so i can have some music |
| 12:36.08 | CcSsNET | miles apt-get update && apt-cache search firefox |
| 12:36.20 | waKKu | ebbs, as root? get .Xauthority from user and set your display for them and use xdialog |
| 12:36.39 | CcSsNET | once found: apt-get install nameoffirefoxpkg |
| 12:36.43 | waKKu | i tought firefox as known as iceweasel on debian etch |
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| 12:37.00 | miles | oh i got it |
| 12:37.11 | ebbs | waKKu, yes |
| 12:37.26 | ebbs | waKKu, k |
| 12:37.28 | CcSsNET | wakku it is actually |
| 12:37.32 | CcSsNET | forgot about that |
| 12:37.47 | miles | so xmms, if i apt-get install xmms will thatappear in gnome shortcuts? |
| 12:37.56 | CcSsNET | it should miles |
| 12:37.57 | waKKu | yeah |
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| 12:38.05 | Kysh | I miss cudley the cowlick. |
| 12:38.07 | CcSsNET | apt-get is the package handler for debian |
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| 12:38.21 | CcSsNET | miles the package managers are dselect and aptitude |
| 12:38.26 | CcSsNET | try them out |
| 12:39.01 | torrr | is there a way to get ps or htop to show only one line for each process, and not for each thread? |
| 12:39.22 | CcSsNET | torrr you can mold your output using grep |
| 12:39.23 | miles | which one is best in gui format? |
| 12:39.36 | CcSsNET | miles niether of those are a gui format |
| 12:39.42 | miles | lol ok |
| 12:39.56 | torrr | CcSsNET, How do I know which belongs to the same process? |
| 12:40.10 | torrr | CcSsNET, they have different pids |
| 12:40.26 | CcSsNET | uhm for a gui package manager try uhm synaptic package manager |
| 12:40.35 | miles | huzzah! |
| 12:40.46 | Langly1 | so CcSsNET I looked at my aboot config file and see nothing kernel specific in it, when having aboot fire my system up, where should I specify which kernel to boot? |
| 12:40.50 | miles | whoch package managher is easiest to use? |
| 12:41.16 | rpc | anyone using eth bridging around? |
| 12:41.30 | CcSsNET | langly1 if everything went as planed and you followed the tutorial to the T you should be using the kernel once rebooted |
| 12:41.36 | CcSsNET | type uname -a |
| 12:41.37 | miles | oh, im selecting static ip for my linksys - should i use the same internet aslan addres - i.e. 10.0.0.1 |
| 12:42.02 | CcSsNET | miles your simply confusing yourself now |
| 12:42.10 | CcSsNET | im at a loss for words for you |
| 12:42.32 | miles | lol. i have for static ip options, internet address and lan address |
| 12:42.35 | Langly1 | that never even has the make and make modules_install I am used to heh, gets me a little worried going that far off what I consider normal heh |
| 12:42.37 | miles | should the be the same? |
| 12:42.42 | torrr | anyone knows how to tell two threads are from the same process? |
| 12:42.55 | CcSsNET | torrr, im not working with what you are so i cant awnser that but to limit output of text at a console you can use grep |
| 12:43.26 | miles | my modem is 192.168.1.1, my linksysis behind that, and wants to addresses - one internet, 1 local |
| 12:43.32 | torrr | CcSsNET, I know grep. I don't see how it help. |
| 12:43.46 | CcSsNET | yes langly1 but it uses the apt package manager for the instalation so its apt removable as well |
| 12:43.50 | CcSsNET | simplisity really |
| 12:43.52 | Langly1 | whats witht the "shytb0x" though |
| 12:44.01 | CcSsNET | that was his website |
| 12:44.06 | CcSsNET | he took it down |
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| 12:44.14 | Langly1 | sudo make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-shytb0x kernel_image |
| 12:44.21 | Langly1 | can I use any name there? |
| 12:44.21 | CcSsNET | oo that part |
| 12:44.22 | GhostInTheShell | miles: linksys - internet: 192.168.1.2 local - 10.0.0.1 |
| 12:44.26 | miles | ta |
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| 12:44.28 | CcSsNET | replace that word with langly if you want |
| 12:44.34 | CcSsNET | it names your kernel customly |
| 12:44.34 | Langly1 | Ah ok heh |
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| 12:44.54 | CcSsNET | btw the following line is part of that ones end |
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| 12:45.00 | CcSsNET | so dont mes it up |
| 12:45.04 | spacenerve | *sigh* :/ |
| 12:45.04 | miles | dns setting, will that be the gateway? |
| 12:45.19 | CcSsNET | no miles |
| 12:45.22 | miles | or my isp's dns addresses? |
| 12:45.34 | CcSsNET | your gateway for the linksys is the IP OF T?HE MODEM |
| 12:45.45 | miles | yep got that |
| 12:45.53 | Web | miles calm down, and read again.................... |
| 12:46.01 | miles | i need dns settings for the linksys now |
| 12:46.05 | CcSsNET | and the modem is get its info from the isp so just let the modem do its own dhcp requests |
| 12:46.29 | CcSsNET | dns for the linksys is SAME as modem |
| 12:46.32 | CcSsNET | dns never changes |
| 12:46.38 | CcSsNET | unless you run a dns server |
| 12:46.42 | CcSsNET | but no one does . . . |
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| 12:46.50 | miles | so dns address is 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 12:46.54 | CcSsNET | no |
| 12:47.18 | miles | i have to find my isps dns addresses and plug them in? |
| 12:47.19 | CcSsNET | try opening the modems panel, look at the dns record it has and use those numbers |
| 12:47.20 | Web | CcSsNET I use local DNS for development. |
| 12:47.27 | CcSsNET | yes miles |
| 12:47.33 | CcSsNET | web, your a rare case |
| 12:47.33 | miles | ok |
| 12:47.34 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 12:47.43 | Web | I know lol |
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| 12:48.04 | qwertz | Hi, just installes a new etch server - but all smp kernels are described as transition package but there's no hint which package to use instead - could anybody please give me a hint? |
| 12:48.04 | jelly | _if_ the modem provides a dns forwarder, 192.168.1.1 might be used |
| 12:48.17 | CcSsNET | qwertz make a new kernel |
| 12:48.27 | CcSsNET | and enable smp in the config of it |
| 12:48.35 | jelly | CcSsNET: dude, no |
| 12:48.54 | jelly | qwertz: etch kernels are smp enabled by default |
| 12:49.00 | CcSsNET | ahh |
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| 12:49.14 | CcSsNET | my dual p3 has a custom kernel |
| 12:49.15 | Langly1 | Compiling away yay! |
| 12:49.16 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:49.21 | CcSsNET | nice langly1 |
| 12:49.30 | CcSsNET | see using the guide i just gave him ^ |
| 12:49.31 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 12:49.38 | Langly1 | I've got a dual socket 8 motherboard running the rare socket 8 PII overdrive chips |
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| 12:49.41 | qwertz | jello, thanks for the info |
| 12:49.52 | qwertz | s/jello/jelly/ |
| 12:49.56 | CcSsNET | nice langly those are ACTUALLY called pentium pro's |
| 12:49.57 | miles | subnet mask for linksys? |
| 12:50.02 | CcSsNET | not pentium 2's |
| 12:50.06 | Langly1 | CcSsNET wrong |
| 12:50.10 | CcSsNET | and they are not overdirve |
| 12:50.15 | CcSsNET | they are pentium pro's |
| 12:50.15 | miles | many thanks for your help,in case i go down and dont come back! |
| 12:50.18 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/cpu.png |
| 12:50.19 | jelly | CcSsNET: better to not misadvise the users if you're not sure |
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| 12:50.29 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/dual.jpg |
| 12:50.32 | Sazpaimon | does the quota package work on the xfs filesystem? |
| 12:50.33 | Langly1 | I beg to differ |
| 12:50.40 | CcSsNET | they had 512k cache and a rarer black chip that had 1mb cache |
| 12:50.44 | Langly1 | they are the rare overdrives for the socket 8 |
| 12:50.45 | CcSsNET | argue as u wish |
| 12:50.48 | CcSsNET | i know my shit lol |
| 12:51.06 | CcSsNET | never heard of em |
| 12:51.12 | jelly | CcSsNET: like you know -smp kernels in etch? <g> |
| 12:51.21 | Langly1 | they are these http://tekgems.com/images/tn/CPU-PODP66X333-unit.jpg |
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| 12:51.31 | miles | ccssnet : what do i enter for subnet for the linksys?ta |
| 12:51.33 | Langly1 | CcSsNET they are very rare |
| 12:51.44 | CcSsNET | jelly sorry i didnt know they where defaultly smp, never noticed, i always compiled a current kernel anyway |
| 12:52.13 | Langly1 | CcSsNET here http://cpu-museum.de/?a=i&f=f&s=l&id=0603&n=Intel+Pentium-II+Overdrive+PODP66X333+front |
| 12:52.32 | Langly1 | http://cpu-museum.de/?a=i&f=b&s=l&id=0603&n=Intel+Pentium-II+Overdrive+PODP66X333+back |
| 12:52.32 | CcSsNET | must have been right when p2 was getting developed |
| 12:52.36 | CcSsNET | must be beta chips |
| 12:52.42 | Langly1 | Naw they were sold |
| 12:52.48 | CcSsNET | and or discontinued quickly |
| 12:52.52 | Langly1 | as a upgrade for ppro users |
| 12:52.58 | Langly1 | yeah they didnt last long |
| 12:53.03 | Langly1 | damn hard to find |
| 12:53.15 | CcSsNET | yea so are the 1mb cache pro's |
| 12:53.27 | CcSsNET | why bother upgrading a p pro 1mb cache they are insane |
| 12:53.29 | Web | I have one |
| 12:54.05 | Web | in the garbage can |
| 12:54.05 | Langly1 | here http://support.intel.com/support/processors/overdrive/pentiumii/ |
| 12:54.08 | miles | can someone tell me what subnet mask i need for my linksys, using lan ipof 10.0.0.1, and internet ipof 192.168.0.2 |
| 12:54.21 | miles | it will be doing dhcp |
| 12:54.24 | Langly1 | I had two 1m cache ppros a while back, sold them on ebay |
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| 12:54.28 | Web | 255.255.255.0 |
| 12:54.32 | miles | ta |
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| 12:54.58 | Langly1 | CcSsNET I guess you dont know ALL your stuff :) but thanks for the guide, very useful :) |
| 12:55.25 | Web | Those CPU's are from the ice age |
| 12:55.27 | CcSsNET | well if your throwing out a p pro 1mb cache ship it to me |
| 12:55.45 | CcSsNET | there worth LOTS of cash |
| 12:55.45 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:55.59 | jetscreamer | they're |
| 12:56.08 | CcSsNET | do i care about grammer |
| 12:56.12 | CcSsNET | no |
| 12:56.49 | jetscreamer | !pal the sloppy minded one |
| 12:56.56 | hark | *grammar |
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| 12:57.06 | CcSsNET | anyway, langly1, id never heard of them so how am i supposed to know about it, but hey, i do know ;) |
| 12:57.37 | CcSsNET | now* |
| 12:57.39 | CcSsNET | lmao |
| 12:57.49 | Langly1 | I just get a little touchy when someone tells me I am wrong about something sitting right in front of me under my nose |
| 12:58.06 | Langly1 | kinda take it as a personal insult sometimes |
| 12:58.09 | CcSsNET | then speak up and say its rarer then a lambergini |
| 12:58.13 | Langly1 | and really bite back |
| 12:58.13 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:58.17 | CcSsNET | cuz it actually probably is |
| 12:58.41 | Web | !hit jetscreamer |
| 12:58.55 | Langly1 | rarer than an intelligent AOL user |
| 12:59.04 | jetscreamer | you're wrong |
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| 12:59.07 | CcSsNET | lol |
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| 12:59.58 | cydork | !lol |
| 12:59.58 | pythonic | Langly1: you do not exist |
| 12:59.59 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 13:00.05 | Langly1 | Rarer than an Intelligent eMachines owner, Windows ME / AOL user with nortons |
| 13:00.06 | jetscreamer | you missspelled lamborghini btw |
| 13:00.20 | CcSsNET | DO I CARE? |
| 13:00.41 | Langly1 | pythonic why do I not exist? |
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| 13:01.04 | jetscreamer | no you don't. but you should. and if you don't think so... zomg. |
| 13:01.13 | pythonic | because you are not sitting right in front of you under your nose |
| 13:01.16 | CcSsNET | dont so whoop whoop |
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| 13:04.31 | Web | My wlan doen't work in my laptop, it did in sarge. |
| 13:05.13 | Web | It isn't even knowing it's wlan, but it's now eth1 |
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| 13:05.23 | CcSsNET | Web youll need to find out what chipset the wlan card is, and or what chipset its included in |
| 13:05.33 | Web | lspci |
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| 13:05.44 | CcSsNET | correct, whats it listing it as? |
| 13:05.51 | Web | moment |
| 13:06.28 | CcSsNET | o btw im going to correct myself real quick before the channel bombards me |
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| 13:06.47 | CcSsNET | the p pro non 1mb chace version was actually 256k cache normally |
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| 13:07.03 | Langly1 | there are alot of 512k ones around though |
| 13:07.11 | Langly1 | my old quad pentium pro had them |
| 13:07.22 | CcSsNET | ahh nice you managed to find the mid range |
| 13:07.32 | CcSsNET | that was rare as the 1mb almost lol |
| 13:07.35 | Langly1 | I miss that old thing, it died awhile back |
| 13:07.35 | jetscreamer | Web: grep allow-hotplug /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:07.47 | Langly1 | CcSsNET Ive seen dozens of the 512m ones |
| 13:07.55 | Langly1 | and only 2 of the 1m ones |
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| 13:08.10 | CcSsNET | ahhh well youve been more places then me ill asume |
| 13:08.17 | CcSsNET | im in my early 20's |
| 13:08.35 | Langly1 | place that recycles and rebuilds used computers, non-profit that gets a ton of donations |
| 13:08.37 | Langly1 | I am 25 |
| 13:08.42 | CcSsNET | ahh |
| 13:09.07 | CcSsNET | soo you work around donated stuff |
| 13:09.07 | CcSsNET | that dont count |
| 13:09.07 | Web | i removed hotplug........... a while ago |
| 13:09.07 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 13:09.07 | CcSsNET | thats a dream job to me |
| 13:09.07 | CcSsNET | hahaha |
| 13:09.13 | jetscreamer | Web: that's not what i typed |
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| 13:09.20 | CcSsNET | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:09.22 | Langly1 | I just put in volunteer hours there here and ther |
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| 13:09.32 | Web | i try |
| 13:09.42 | jetscreamer | Web: that's ok if you removed hotplug they slipped hotplug2 in on you or something |
| 13:09.42 | Langly1 | currently a QUAD powerpc 604e there |
| 13:09.43 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:09.45 | CcSsNET | langly1 i would too, id love to do that haha |
| 13:09.51 | CcSsNET | nice |
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| 13:10.06 | CcSsNET | langly1 what they want for it, they ebaying this stuff? |
| 13:10.14 | Langly1 | The Sun/SGI pile used to be scary large |
| 13:10.20 | CcSsNET | haha |
| 13:10.27 | CcSsNET | good old sparc stations |
| 13:10.31 | CcSsNET | or ultra sparcs |
| 13:10.45 | CcSsNET | scsi's in em where probably 9 gigs eh |
| 13:10.48 | Langly1 | old pic http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/Sun_Mountain.jpg |
| 13:10.49 | CcSsNET | not to bad |
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| 13:11.24 | Quibus | hello all. There used to be a way to check the target disk in the debian installer. Is that still present in the current d-i? If so, where? I couldn't find it. |
| 13:11.26 | CcSsNET | dam, that is a large pile of sun/sgi haha |
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| 13:11.37 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/office/ now thats bad :P |
| 13:11.39 | CcSsNET | although i only see sun |
| 13:12.09 | CcSsNET | langly1 that link dont work ^ |
| 13:12.21 | CcSsNET | iguess i can copy paste it |
| 13:12.43 | Langly1 | there was a second pic to the right of that with lots of sgi stuff |
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| 13:12.55 | CcSsNET | LOL os2 warp |
| 13:13.01 | CcSsNET | i got a copy on the shelf next to me |
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| 13:13.33 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/office/ppro1m.jpg |
| 13:13.40 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/office/ppro200-1m001.jpg |
| 13:13.41 | jelly | you two could get a room, ya know, none of this is #debian topical |
| 13:13.56 | Langly1 | err |
| 13:14.11 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/ppro1m.jpg http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/ppro200-1m001.jpg |
| 13:14.13 | Langly1 | lol jello |
| 13:14.19 | CcSsNET | you guys got the messyist most disorganized office ive ever seen haha |
| 13:14.24 | liable | Quibus: what do you mean by check it? |
| 13:14.37 | Web | is all that garbage yours Langly1? |
| 13:14.48 | Langly1 | Naw |
| 13:14.57 | Langly1 | just stuff I have to process and deal with |
| 13:15.11 | CcSsNET | LOL i see netopia isdn /adsl devices on the floor |
| 13:15.25 | CcSsNET | wow thats bad i can pick that off without being told they are |
| 13:15.34 | Web | so there is logic in it? |
| 13:15.42 | Quibus | liable: some disk surface test |
| 13:15.52 | Quibus | or whatever test was done, to see if the disk doesn't contain errors |
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| 13:16.06 | NIX90 | sup all |
| 13:16.07 | CcSsNET | langly1 you guys need more stuff like that? |
| 13:16.14 | NIX90 | can i update the apt-get kist ? |
| 13:16.16 | Quibus | maybe some fsck test after formatting |
| 13:16.17 | liable | Quibus: i dont reacall seeing that, it used to have a cd integrity test |
| 13:16.23 | CcSsNET | i got 8 copper rockets and 2 netopia adsl/sdsl devices |
| 13:16.24 | berzerka | where can i specify which users are allowed to start an x server? was that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? i dont want a new xorg.conf, though. |
| 13:16.36 | CcSsNET | a few cisco as well |
| 13:16.36 | Quibus | yes, it still has that. But I think it could test the target, not only the source |
| 13:16.42 | Langly1 | http://langlyweb.no-ip.com/fg13/p1010021.jpg hows that for a pile of junk :P |
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| 13:16.49 | Web | NIX90 apt-get update |
| 13:16.56 | NIX90 | web ty |
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| 13:17.30 | aidehua | If I set my limit to paying L150 a week on rent, is it being too nit-picky to reject somewhere because it comes to L158? |
| 13:17.41 | Langly1 | yes |
| 13:17.54 | Web | yes |
| 13:18.17 | aidehua | (This is to live in Dartmouth Park, zone 2, North London, UK.) |
| 13:18.20 | Langly1 | Just eat a little less :P |
| 13:18.30 | NIX90 | why cant i get the kvirc package from the apt ? |
| 13:18.32 | aidehua | eat less> good point :) |
| 13:18.34 | CcSsNET | LMAO yes, that is quite the pile |
| 13:18.47 | militant | Langly1 that IS a pile of junk. wtf. |
| 13:18.59 | Langly1 | recycling/breakdown area |
| 13:19.04 | CcSsNET | i guess so |
| 13:19.17 | CcSsNET | what you guys scrap metal recyle or something? |
| 13:19.19 | CcSsNET | jeeeze |
| 13:19.32 | Quibus | OK, never mind then, I'll use a Knoppix cd instead ;0 |
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| 13:20.23 | Web | it's an intersil corporation prism 2.5 |
| 13:20.24 | CcSsNET | ahh |
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| 13:20.27 | CcSsNET | prism 2 is all you need to know |
| 13:20.32 | CcSsNET | prism 2.5 sorry |
| 13:20.44 | Web | so ? |
| 13:20.52 | Web | it still does not work |
| 13:20.54 | CcSsNET | thats the chipset type of the wlan so find a package related to prism 2.5 |
| 13:21.12 | CcSsNET | drivers may exist just browse |
| 13:21.13 | Web | i go zoeken |
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| 13:21.24 | CcSsNET | hell maybe there even common and i dont know it |
| 13:22.43 | Web | installed linux-wlan-ng |
| 13:23.17 | dual-man | if i set all iptable policies to accept, then everything should be able to pass everywhere right? |
| 13:23.41 | Web | and also the modules for the kerel |
| 13:23.46 | Web | kernel |
| 13:23.46 | SeanTater | will this cause problems on a running system? -> /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 13:24.03 | berzerka | dual-man, assuming you have no explicit rules anywhere, yes. |
| 13:24.35 | dual-man | berzerka: how would i go about findout out if there are any other rules, |
| 13:24.49 | dual-man | because there must be something else lurking on my server |
| 13:25.02 | berzerka | dual-man, iptables -L and iptables -t nat -L will interest you i guess. |
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| 13:25.24 | berzerka | dual-man, you can also do an iptables -F to flush the whole ruleset |
| 13:25.30 | dual-man | berzerka, well that shows accept all, do i need anything else |
| 13:25.48 | dual-man | like do i need to set routes if i have accept all |
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| 13:25.56 | berzerka | dual-man, i dont know, what are you planning to do? |
| 13:26.07 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 13:26.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 13:26.15 | dual-man | all i'm try to do is get internet traffic from internal to external |
| 13:26.18 | dual-man | and it's not working |
| 13:26.21 | dual-man | i've read everything |
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| 13:26.32 | jelly | dual-man: enabled ip_forwarding? |
| 13:26.39 | dual-man | jelly: yes |
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| 13:27.00 | dual-man | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 13:27.04 | jelly | dual-man: added the MASQUERADE part (if doing NAT)? |
| 13:27.08 | berzerka | dual-man, what do you mean by get internet-traffic from internal to external? you have more hosts on the internal network and want to to NAT for them? |
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| 13:27.30 | dual-man | berzerka: i have two nic for internet connection sharing |
| 13:27.43 | berzerka | you need the MASQUERADE target, as jelly said. |
| 13:27.44 | CcSsNET | heh |
| 13:27.59 | jetscreamer | get a switch/router |
| 13:28.11 | berzerka | and you need to properly set the routing tables of your local clients. |
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| 13:28.40 | abrotman | dual-man: hsave you gone to netfilter.org or lartc.org and read until your eyes bleed ? |
| 13:28.44 | dual-man | iptables -t nat -I MASQUERADE -p tcp -s 10.0.0.0/24 -d 64.56.129.17 -j ACCEPT |
| 13:28.55 | dual-man | abrotman: almost |
| 13:28.57 | CcSsNET | lol abrotman |
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| 13:29.01 | abrotman | then go do it ... |
| 13:29.13 | abrotman | the docs there .. and the guys in #iptables .. are more than enough to get your simple router going |
| 13:29.44 | qwertz | Hi, trying to install php4-curl on sarge but apt-get complains "Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-19) but 6:4.4.4-8+etch1 is to be installed" so I suppose curl expects php4-common in exactly version 4.3 - so is there a way to install curl? |
| 13:30.03 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 13:30.06 | abrotman | qwertz: have you been mixing versions of debian ? |
| 13:30.14 | jetscreamer | if you're on sarge why is it trying to install an etch package |
| 13:30.21 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 13:30.37 | berzerka | dual-man, shouldn't that be a 10.0.0.0/8 ? |
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| 13:30.54 | jelly | dual-man: I just do iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE ... s/ppp0/your-wan-device/ |
| 13:31.06 | qwertz | abrotman, afaik it was a woody that got an upgrade to sarge |
| 13:31.09 | jelly | dual-man: like Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO says |
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| 13:31.30 | jetscreamer | was sarge testing at the time? |
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| 13:32.24 | jelly | qwertz: seems like you have etch (or testing) repositories in your sources.list |
| 13:32.49 | hark | backports? |
| 13:32.52 | abrotman | qwertz: then someone screwed up |
| 13:33.00 | abrotman | qwertz: paste your sources for us |
| 13:33.01 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:33.02 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:33.15 | jelly | hark: backports wouldn't have verision numbers like 6:4.4.4-8+etch1 |
| 13:33.23 | jelly | ... probably |
| 13:33.25 | angor | which reps should i have for sarge 3.1.r5? |
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| 13:33.33 | angor | i only have deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main in my sources.list |
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| 13:33.40 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 13:33.43 | jetscreamer | the only one? |
| 13:33.46 | angor | yeah |
| 13:34.48 | abrotman | run apt-setup |
| 13:35.02 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 13:35.02 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.05 | jetscreamer | i 'think' |
| 13:35.10 | hark | i think i recall asking about the +etch1 backports thing earlier.. |
| 13:35.12 | jelly | /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list ftw |
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| 13:35.29 | jetscreamer | contrib non-free are optional |
| 13:35.44 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 13:35.44 | dpkg | well, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 13:35.54 | jetscreamer | just use apt-spy maybe |
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| 13:36.13 | abrotman | don't use ftp sources |
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| 13:36.18 | jetscreamer | why |
| 13:36.18 | qwertz | abrotman, thanks for your help, I see that atm there are sources for etch but commented out so I'm afraid that some versions got mixed up earlier - so is there any other way to fix than to go to etch? |
| 13:36.27 | angor | good |
| 13:36.28 | angor | thanks. |
| 13:36.35 | jetscreamer | !downgrade |
| 13:36.36 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 13:36.38 | abrotman | qwertz: not easily |
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| 13:36.56 | jetscreamer | why not ftp abrotman |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | ftp must die |
| 13:37.08 | jetscreamer | por que |
| 13:37.23 | CcSsNET | ftp is crap |
| 13:37.27 | tarzeau | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 13:37.29 | CcSsNET | sftp at the least . . . |
| 13:37.47 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: you give me a link from greycat's site and expect me to believe? !!! |
| 13:37.51 | jetscreamer | lol! |
| 13:38.30 | wols | jetscreamer: the fact that it is totally insecure (like telnet) but needs 2 frigging ports which play havoc with all firewalls and NAT devices is reason enough to take it out and shoot it |
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| 13:38.42 | markc | I'm trying to get a formatted number with commas and the folks in #bash suggested the debian locales might not be working, any comments ? ... ie;LC_NUMERIC="en_AU" printf "%'.2f %s\n" 12345678.90 = 12345678.90 and not 12,345,678.90 |
| 13:38.43 | wols | we don't use telnet anymore but we still use ftp |
| 13:39.47 | tarzeau | wols: telnet linuks.mine.nu ? |
| 13:39.59 | abrotman | and if you try to use the ftp to PSU .. it dies most of the time because they have the number of users limited |
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| 13:40.05 | tarzeau | wols: telnet nethack.alt.org ? |
| 13:40.08 | abrotman | (whihc you could do wiht http too i guess) |
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| 13:40.25 | wols | well, tlenet is a great too. it's actually in.telnetd that sucks |
| 13:40.37 | wols | *tool |
| 13:40.47 | freetos | does debian do SeLinux |
| 13:40.51 | jetscreamer | yews |
| 13:40.54 | jetscreamer | yez |
| 13:40.58 | spacenerve | valdyn: i followed yor advice, but ....... |
| 13:41.01 | jetscreamer | gah... Y E S |
| 13:41.26 | spacenerve | the damned thing wants to build evrything against libmysqlclient12 .... |
| 13:41.42 | spacenerve | any idea how i can get it to use libmysqlclient14? :\ |
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| 13:42.05 | hark | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ <-- has +etch1 packages |
| 13:42.16 | stew | spacenerve: what are you compiling? |
| 13:42.43 | spacenerve | stew, php4 ...... just want mod_php to talk to mysql 4.1 ......... |
| 13:42.45 | mutante_ | you might like http://dotdeb.org/ too |
| 13:42.51 | mutante_ | i use that to have PHP5 on stable |
| 13:42.54 | denken | how do you make a certain device bind to eth0 (for example) instead of eth1? i have a firewire interface that keeps wanting to be eth0 instead of my onboard NIC... |
| 13:43.00 | hark | !dotdeb |
| 13:43.00 | dpkg | methinks dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 13:43.03 | wols | spacenerve: why if you remove libmysqlclient2 and headers from your system? |
| 13:43.04 | stew | spacenerve: apt-get install libapache[2]-mod-php4 |
| 13:43.09 | tarzeau | denken: oh if you find out, i'm interested too |
| 13:43.16 | tarzeau | denken: i've just disabled the firewire one in the bios |
| 13:43.27 | mutante_ | oh yes, i remember somebody told me before that there is little reason for it;) |
| 13:43.42 | spacenerve | already removed libmysqlclient12 and -dev, didn't help ....... |
| 13:43.45 | wols | dpkg: don't load its driver. first module loadede gets to be eth0 |
| 13:43.52 | spacenerve | stew, doesn't work ....... |
| 13:43.57 | stew | spacenerve: why not? |
| 13:43.57 | spacenerve | it's linked against mysql 4.0 ......... |
| 13:43.59 | denken | tarzeau: yes i could do... or remove the kernel module for hte firewire ethernet |
| 13:44.13 | tarzeau | denken: but that's not the solution we both want, right? |
| 13:44.14 | wols | spacenerve: well as stew said, php4 is in dbeian, so apt-get the source for it (and its debian/control files) |
| 13:44.22 | denken | tarzeau: no, it isnt |
| 13:44.43 | wols | tarzeau: simply load the modules for ethernet first then firewire in /etc/modutils/ |
| 13:44.50 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:44.58 | denken | wols: is there a way to force module loading order? ive tried putting them in the ocrrect order in /etc/modules but the kernel autodetects hardware on bootup and loads drivers it need |
| 13:45.05 | spacenerve | yeah wols i'v got the source.... now i'm trying to build it such as to link against mysql 4.1 ....... |
| 13:45.09 | tarzeau | wols: what if it's in the kernel? |
| 13:45.13 | wols | denken: no. udev does |
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| 13:45.31 | denken | hmm ok |
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| 13:45.40 | denken | let me poke around in /etc/modutils |
| 13:45.43 | ckengel | Yoh, can I pick someone's brain about parted for a second |
| 13:45.43 | spacenerve | apt-get -b source php4-mysql <- insists on libmysqlclient12 |
| 13:45.44 | wols | tarzeau: since udev can do funky stupid renaming all of its own, it should be able to do it usefully too |
| 13:46.16 | wols | spacenerve: what's so bad about php5? |
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| 13:46.36 | spacenerve | backwards compatibility ? |
| 13:46.53 | spacenerve | is there a php5 build linked against mysql 4.1 available? |
| 13:47.18 | berzerka | i want to be able to start a second x-server from within x11 as a user. which access should i grant? who is allowed to start the x server: "root only" -> sudo, or "anybody"? |
| 13:47.39 | stew | !depends libmysqlclient12 sarge |
| 13:47.43 | dpkg | libmysqlclient12: depends on mysql-common (>= 4.0.24-10sarge2) | mysql-common-4.1, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 13:47.48 | stew | spacenerve: ^^^ it depends on mysql-common-4.1 |
| 13:47.57 | wols | beanybody can run X, |
| 13:48.04 | spacenerve | what does? |
| 13:48.08 | wols | even a 2nd X server at display :1 I'd say |
| 13:48.43 | spacenerve | i'v got mysql-common-4.1 installed ? ..... ;\ |
| 13:48.45 | abrotman | spacenerve: the debian packages for php4-mysql in sarge already work with mysql4.1 |
| 13:48.47 | berzerka | wols, thats what i want to do, but i have "console users only" up to now who are allowed to start x. |
| 13:48.57 | jetscreamer | BUT! greycat does seem to know his shit btw |
| 13:49.19 | stew | spacenerve: why do you think you need to build php instead of just installing php4-mysql? |
| 13:49.42 | GhostInTheShell | speaking of X servers, do anybody has a nVIDIA graphic card with working TV-Out? |
| 13:50.00 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:50.01 | stew | spacenerve: i'm using it on a dozen servers with php4 talking to mysql 4.1 |
| 13:50.04 | jetscreamer | works fine |
| 13:50.06 | GhostInTheShell | I got mine working but, it crashes the system randomly |
| 13:50.29 | jetscreamer | no idea... try #nvidia maybe |
| 13:50.29 | GhostInTheShell | it can work fine for a weeks or two, but it can run for a ten minutes and then it crashes |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | so blame the binary driver |
| 13:51.01 | GhostInTheShell | i blamed them already |
| 13:51.16 | GhostInTheShell | but i have friends with no such problems |
| 13:51.22 | GhostInTheShell | maybe my card is cursed |
| 13:51.30 | wols | abrotman: if you you want to blame nvidia, you're at the end of a loooong queue right now |
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| 13:51.41 | wols | and I dare say, they rather work on their vista stuff right now |
| 13:52.14 | spacenerve | stew, bcoz mysql.so is linked against libmysqlclient.so.12 |
| 13:52.21 | jetscreamer | abrotman: can you explain to me why the debian nvidia thing from sources never seems to work (at least, seems to me, based on all the requests for help) but the nvidia-installer 'just works'(tm) ? |
| 13:52.28 | spacenerve | and when i try to use it thru php it barfs all over the place |
| 13:52.31 | stew | spacenerve: that's fine. why do you think that is a problem? |
| 13:52.45 | jetscreamer | or anybody |
| 13:52.45 | spacenerve | ^^ bcoz shit suddenly starts breaking ........ |
| 13:52.50 | tarzeau | i like nvidia mucht better than ati |
| 13:52.52 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: Use error |
| 13:52.57 | h3sp4wn | jetscreamer: user error |
| 13:52.57 | stew | spacenerve: be more specific. what errors do you get? |
| 13:52.59 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: because they are broken |
| 13:53.12 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 13:53.20 | spacenerve | stew, let me replicate is quik ....... |
| 13:53.23 | spacenerve | *it |
| 13:53.29 | abrotman | wols: i don't really care .. i don't own any nvidia crap hardware |
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| 13:53.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: of course i can't .. it's BINARY! |
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| 13:53.42 | wols | right. intel crap hardware :P |
| 13:53.55 | abrotman | free drivers win! |
| 13:53.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: but how can you play brutalchess? briquolo? |
| 13:54.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can't play bloboates! |
| 13:54.13 | tarzeau | bloboats |
| 13:54.13 | abrotman | with intel open source drivers that work ? |
| 13:54.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't think so. does it? i have crappy nvidia hardware |
| 13:54.38 | jetscreamer | your fps is low |
| 13:54.45 | jetscreamer | you lose |
| 13:54.49 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: mine's fast, but then i've got crap nvidia hardware |
| 13:54.49 | wols | tarzeau: probably at 2fp hour |
| 13:54.52 | abrotman | it works perfectly fine .. i'm the one that told you to package briquolo .. moron |
| 13:54.58 | tarzeau | wols: which means it doesn't work, and it sucks |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | have any of you actually *tried* intel hardware ? |
| 13:55.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: but you need etch+ for it to work |
| 13:55.20 | abrotman | no i don't |
| 13:55.27 | wols | it _does_ wokr. just at a pace the retirement home coul appreciate |
| 13:55.30 | jetscreamer | i had an i810 once |
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| 13:55.34 | jetscreamer | does that count |
| 13:55.35 | wols | "intel - for when you have enough time" |
| 13:55.36 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 13:55.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: how many fps? |
| 13:55.53 | abrotman | so that'd be a no .. none of you have actually used one |
| 13:56.00 | abrotman | thanks for playing .. have a nice day |
| 13:56.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have some here, but they don't work with stable X |
| 13:56.10 | stew | i get 60 fps in emacs with a free driver |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: probably because you compiled your own with a pile of patches |
| 13:56.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, it's the original debian stuff, but too new intel stuff: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
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| 13:57.23 | stew | wols: its a suite of games. not just one |
| 13:57.34 | tarzeau | wols: at least it doesn't randomly switch to text destruction mode like some other editors |
| 13:57.38 | militant | i have issues with my nvidia drivers. i think. ... the screensavers run fine, so does secondlife. but it seems to nearly choke to death on a simple fullscreen SNES emulator. fps drops from 60 to like 10, between small window and fullscreen |
| 13:57.42 | stew | wols: dunet, tetris, gomoku,... |
| 13:57.44 | abrotman | i can play all the lovely 3d games .. and it works perfectly well and i don't have to use the binary stupid crap from nvidia/ati |
| 13:57.49 | wols | stew: emacs is still only one program. and it is the most complex game ever |
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| 13:57.55 | GhostInTheShell | and about the Intel hardware - yes used and i740 graphic card few years ago |
| 13:58.02 | abrotman | i740 doesn't count |
| 13:58.09 | wols | abrotman: Doom4? on intel hardware? |
| 13:58.11 | abrotman | it's not the same family |
| 13:58.15 | abrotman | wols: runs great! |
| 13:58.22 | wols | at what res? |
| 13:58.27 | abrotman | NFC |
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| 13:58.32 | wols | how many tuexture units and pixel shaders again? |
| 13:58.33 | spacenerve | stew, sample page barf @ http://pastebin.ca/405044 |
| 13:58.46 | abrotman | enough to go "God .. i forgot how much PCs suck at games" and go back to the PS2 :) |
| 13:58.46 | spacenerve | if i were to downgrade to mysql 4.0 again this wouldn't happen ......... |
| 13:58.57 | wad | I've got a command running in an ssh session on another box. I need to log out, but I want my command to continue to run. I don't want to stop it, it's been running all night long. I didn't think it would take so long. Do I have any options here, or am I hosede? |
| 13:58.58 | spacenerve | unfortunately i need 4.1 :< |
| 13:59.04 | SkippyX | OK - gonna install debian stable on my old lappy this evening, but I loathe the trackpad. Are there any issues w/ wireless usb mice? |
| 13:59.13 | wols | abrotman: game kiddie consoles don't have the games I play (mostly) |
| 13:59.24 | abrotman | wols: which games are that? |
| 13:59.26 | wols | but then: they'd be probably fine on a intel videocard |
| 13:59.34 | wols | strategy games mostly |
| 13:59.41 | GhostInTheShell | i mostly play old arcade and dos games |
| 13:59.44 | wols | some roleplaying (last was oblivion) |
| 13:59.54 | abrotman | the only strategy game i play anymore is TA ..which works in wine and qemu |
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| 14:00.02 | tarzeau | wols: nethack? |
| 14:00.24 | tarzeau | wols: have you tried kq yet? |
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| 14:00.26 | wols | and lookign forward to a hearts or iron 2 expansion for example. or lately, UFO afterlight and xcom3 |
| 14:00.27 | markc | has anyone used LC_NUMERIC to provide formatted numbers with printf ? |
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| 14:00.46 | wad | wols: gnugo |
| 14:00.55 | wols | I die to fast or take the wrong stairs down and end in the gnomish mines for x levels |
| 14:01.00 | Lycannyc-work | why when I open a openoffice document from network share it shows openoffice loading and finishes but doesnt open afterwards.. i have to copy it to desktop to open it |
| 14:01.02 | wols | damn keystone kops! |
| 14:01.04 | wad | wols: If you truly like strategy, play go. Go rocks. |
| 14:01.07 | tarzeau | wols: there's a trick |
| 14:01.11 | tarzeau | wols: tried hannah yet? |
| 14:01.24 | wols | tarzeau: no. my main game on linux is irc :P |
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| 14:01.29 | tarzeau | wols: in nethack, don't go too deep in gnomish mines, just to the shop town, get better armor (dress/undress) |
| 14:01.36 | wols | and lately reading books on my notebook |
| 14:02.03 | stew | spacenerve: you don't need to recompile php, you probably just need to update your tables. what application i this, one you wrote? |
| 14:02.04 | tarzeau | wols: for the keystone kops, don't steal/break things in shops/mine town. get very strong, later murder shop keepers |
| 14:02.25 | wad | wols: Nethack is fun, but only if you make copies of the installation as save games. Too easy to suddenly die in that game, for me. No fun to lose 8 hours of gaming due to accidently drinking the wrong potion. |
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| 14:02.43 | wols | wad: yep |
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| 14:02.46 | angor | I have a CentOs box with a couple users on it, I just installed Debian 3.1 and I want to move these users to my fresh Debian box, how do I migrate them? |
| 14:02.51 | angor | just copy over their entries from /etc/shadow? |
| 14:02.52 | spacenerve | stew, naah, drupal .... update my tables how? :o |
| 14:02.59 | waspius | hello..can someone tell me how i can format an mp3 player i have connected to my pc? |
| 14:03.04 | tarzeau | wad: that's not fun, if you cheat. you should identify the stuff and never randomly drink stuff |
| 14:03.06 | doudou1 | hello, stupid people from debian-fr, crazy ones |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat .. probably |
| 14:03.13 | tarzeau | wad: same for scrolls, rings and other items |
| 14:03.23 | abrotman | doudou1: wrong channel ? |
| 14:03.27 | stew | spacenerve: google for "Warning: Illegal mix of collations" and update |
| 14:03.29 | doudou1 | can you get rid of thoses narow minded |
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| 14:03.45 | tarzeau | waspius: which device is it? dmesg? |
| 14:03.54 | spacenerve | stew, ta :) |
| 14:03.54 | wols | abrotman: we're certainly crazy, and since permasunday there must be enough stupid ones in here too |
| 14:03.54 | tarzeau | !format |
| 14:03.55 | dpkg | i guess format is apparently what Windows users call "mke2fs""fdisk" or both, or on floppies use superformat |
| 14:03.56 | doudou1 | they banned me because i said that debian distrib is a fucking garbage |
| 14:03.58 | wols | see: my brain |
| 14:04.07 | newbie | !ru |
| 14:04.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:04.18 | waspius | tarzeau: usbdisk |
| 14:04.25 | stew | doudou1: we cannot help with #debian-fr "/msg chanserv access #debian-fr list" to get a list of people that can help |
| 14:04.28 | tarzeau | waspius: but is it /dev/sda ? |
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| 14:04.52 | waspius | tarzeau: dont know |
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| 14:04.54 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:05.02 | streuner | doudou1: be glad that iam no OP :-) |
| 14:05.04 | wols | doudou1: if you keep that up, you will get banned here too |
| 14:05.04 | Ronin | wad: thats what i was wondering too |
| 14:05.21 | streuner | wad: yeah |
| 14:05.23 | doudou1 | you should do some cleaning or change the name of the debian-fr channel |
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| 14:05.42 | Ronin | doudou1: ok ill bite, why change the name? |
| 14:05.50 | stew | doudou1: "/msg chanserv access #debian-fr list" /msg an op there |
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| 14:06.07 | waspius | tarzeau: how do i check |
| 14:06.11 | wols | are the #debian-xx channels even "official" shouldnb't they be "##"? |
| 14:06.12 | tarzeau | waspius: look at dmesg |
| 14:06.13 | jlhenry | Hi |
| 14:06.19 | spacenerve | *cry* stew, i can't run the update script because i can't login (bcoz data came from mysql5) - the problem i'm trying to fix ;) |
| 14:06.21 | tarzeau | wols: yes. no. |
| 14:06.24 | spacenerve | but i'll c wot i can do...... ;) |
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| 14:06.30 | doudou1 | ok, i keep what debian means for you |
| 14:06.35 | RedBowlerHat | can you use MAKEDEV to reassign default permissions to /dev? |
| 14:06.35 | jlhenry | What is the good way to put an alias for a network driver? |
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| 14:06.53 | jlhenry | in other words, in which file I can put it? |
| 14:06.54 | wols | spacenerve: so you need php4 with mysql5? who the heck ran that combo? |
| 14:06.56 | tarzeau | jlhenry: /etc/network/interfaces ? www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 14:07.00 | doudou1 | i think it is garbage collection, and it is obvious for people with eyes |
| 14:07.04 | wols | and wrote code bad enough so it won't run on php5? |
| 14:07.10 | tarzeau | doudou1: are you from #ubuntu? |
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| 14:07.26 | doudou1 | only answer should be: yes it is for some time more |
| 14:07.28 | streuner | !ops doudou1 is trolling |
| 14:07.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: streuner complains about: doudou1 is trolling |
| 14:07.35 | doudou1 | no i am from debian |
| 14:07.46 | MythrilSword | doudou1: you make me laugh, try some other distros and try comparing then :) |
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| 14:07.51 | stew | doudou1: do you have a debian related question (not a #debian-fr / irc related question)? |
| 14:07.54 | spacenerve | nooo, wols, i just need php4 and to be able to understand password hashes from mysql5 ....... |
| 14:08.13 | doudou1 | others distro problems does not clean this one |
| 14:08.29 | wols | dual-man: you fail english? unpossible! |
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| 14:08.36 | spacenerve | i didn't write any php code, i hate php ;) but yes, the folks i'm doin this for wanted v4 specifically ;) |
| 14:08.37 | wols | !confuse doudou1 |
| 14:08.37 | dpkg | Yes, those was my pineapple tomorrow, doudou1? wellies of the people's republic of swaziland with extra ham |
| 14:08.48 | jlhenry | tarzeau, thanks but I need more informations for loading module before udev try to recognise it |
| 14:08.49 | spacenerve | i've installed v5 as fastcgi :| |
| 14:09.03 | streuner | doudou1: Don't waste our time and troll somewhere else. |
| 14:09.08 | wols | spacenerve: who doesn't. and tell them php5is better. they fixed a few of the most glaring mistakes of php4 |
| 14:09.14 | arachne | doudou1: like, #debian-fr |
| 14:09.22 | doudou1 | cant you understand what i say? you ask perfect english to hide your weaknesses |
| 14:09.41 | stew | doudou1: do you have a debian related question or not? |
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| 14:09.45 | abrotman | wols: you hide your weakness! |
| 14:09.47 | wols | no, we ask it to weed out chauvinist frogs... |
| 14:09.54 | abrotman | i know it though! |
| 14:10.00 | stew | doudou1: if so, ask it, else please move on. |
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| 14:10.05 | wols | abrotman: I doN't hide you! I show you around all the time |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | wols has a secret love of ponies .. with bows in their hair |
| 14:10.13 | abrotman | !pony wols |
| 14:10.17 | wols | PINK ponies |
| 14:10.22 | wols | don't tell lies about me |
| 14:10.32 | abrotman | we're not helping the situation |
| 14:10.38 | wad | Logged in as root, under bash. Why don't I have bg or disown? |
| 14:10.42 | doudou1 | i came six month ago to ask a way to install debian in one click from windows, they laugth, they laugth when i said i intended to do so on a fat partition, but today it exist a way to do so ... |
| 14:10.42 | Ronin | no but its amusing to watch at least |
| 14:10.48 | wols | but we're having fun. isn't that what counts? |
| 14:11.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 14:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@113.21.97-84.rev.gaoland.net] by stew |
| 14:11.06 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 14:11.07 | wols | and no matter what, the idiot won't stop anyways |
| 14:11.11 | Gniarf | \o/ |
| 14:11.12 | valdyn | doudou1: no there isnt |
| 14:11.15 | wols | ok, now he stops. thanks stew |
| 14:11.18 | tarzeau | wols: for you, my friend: http://brutalchess.sourceforge.net/wiki/images/3/39/Centauro6.jpg |
| 14:11.51 | wad | Logged in as root, under bash. Why don't I have bg or disown? I'm looooost.... |
| 14:12.25 | wad | Wait. Maybe I do have these, just there is no man page.... |
| 14:12.26 | wols | tarzeau: if that chess program really uses this, I gotta puke |
| 14:12.28 | valdyn | wad: which error are you getting when you run 'bg' ? |
| 14:12.40 | wols | not to mention it'd probably a copyright violation :) |
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| 14:12.48 | wad | Haven't tried it yet. Assumed that since I have no man page, I couldn't use it... trying. |
| 14:13.03 | wols | wad: ng is afaik shell internal command |
| 14:13.06 | wols | *bg |
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| 14:13.10 | wad | ah |
| 14:13.14 | valdyn | wad: its integrated into bash, so its also documented in the bash manpage i guess |
| 14:13.19 | wad | Ah! |
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| 14:14.35 | wad | Hmm. I did "bg [process number]" and it says "no such job". |
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| 14:14.43 | aeronadix | hey dudes, I'm running etch now |
| 14:14.56 | valdyn | wad: bg doesnt expect a pid? |
| 14:14.59 | streuner | !congratulate aerondix |
| 14:14.59 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies aerondix, you did it! |
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| 14:15.10 | streuner | aeronadix: plenty of people do |
| 14:15.13 | wad | What is a JOB_SPEC then? |
| 14:15.18 | aeronadix | But I can't install gnome anymore |
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| 14:15.25 | valdyn | wad: read the bash manpage... |
| 14:15.30 | streuner | aeronadix: what kind of error? |
| 14:15.31 | aeronadix | Also, I got dual monitors running and kernel 2.6.18 |
| 14:15.39 | wad | Rats. Out of time. |
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| 14:16.10 | wols | !tell aeronadix about install gnome |
| 14:16.11 | aeronadix | streuner, dependencies |
| 14:16.22 | wad | Is there a way to get JOB_SPEC from ps -ef ? |
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| 14:16.31 | valdyn | wad: hardly |
| 14:16.34 | wols | aeronadix: did you have gnome from backports or somesuch? |
| 14:16.35 | wad | I'm hose. |
| 14:16.38 | wad | hosed. |
| 14:16.39 | wad | Bye |
| 14:16.40 | wols | e.g. non official debian repos? |
| 14:16.43 | aeronadix | wols, no |
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| 14:17.37 | elshaa | what script language is simple and allows mysql interactions ? |
| 14:17.48 | wols | python |
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| 14:17.56 | valdyn | elshaa: all ? |
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| 14:17.57 | streuner | aeronadix: be prepared, in GNOME and KDE meta-packages are often broken, just because they are pretty large... |
| 14:18.05 | valdyn | elshaa: at least all fairly popular ones |
| 14:18.05 | wols | valdyn: not all are simple |
| 14:18.11 | valdyn | wols: heh |
| 14:18.18 | streuner | aeronadix: in etch or sid, just install basic packages and so on... |
| 14:18.26 | aeronadix | when I first upgraded to etch everything was fine, but when I did upgrade of kernel, then this happenned |
| 14:18.33 | elshaa | valdyn: does bash allow mysql interactions ? |
| 14:18.42 | dutche- | folks, I need to redirect a port, to a server inside my LAN and I donno why it does't work...I have another server in a data center that I run this rule and works...the rule is "iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 1234 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.2:1234" .... does anybody knows what is? |
| 14:18.47 | streuner | aeronadix: just start with gnome-session, gedit .... |
| 14:19.11 | aeronadix | how do you start lyx(qt)? |
| 14:19.19 | Decepticon | how do i update my system time in sarge? sych with internet maybe? |
| 14:19.29 | aeronadix | well, I am happy with blackbox, I just wish I could add more to the apps, cause not all are there |
| 14:19.30 | wols | aeronadix: run "lyx" |
| 14:19.42 | wols | Decepticon: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
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| 14:20.02 | wols | !tell aeronadix about menu |
| 14:20.10 | aeronadix | wols, yeah but that is a different lyx, it has more icons on top and stuff which is cool, but it doesn't print to pdf right, and the typing looking sketchy |
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| 14:20.23 | Decepticon | wols do i run that as root? |
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| 14:20.31 | wols | what other lyx is there except klyx? |
| 14:20.37 | wols | Decepticon: yes |
| 14:20.46 | wols | Decepticon: hwclock is also good to run |
| 14:20.54 | wols | to then make your BIOS have th right time too |
| 14:20.58 | Decepticon | i dont seem to have ntpdate |
| 14:21.00 | streuner | aeronadix: so you want simply create PDF's? |
| 14:21.07 | Decepticon | apt-get install ntpdate |
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| 14:22.05 | aeronadix | streuner, well I like using lyx(qt) |
| 14:22.47 | Decepticon | wols i cant seem to find any package on apt named hwclock |
| 14:22.47 | cahoot | aeronadix: using pdflatex? |
| 14:22.55 | aeronadix | yep |
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| 14:23.18 | GhostInTheShell | Decepticon: it's a command |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | !find bin/hwclock sarge |
| 14:23.28 | _plouf__ | hi |
| 14:23.36 | Decepticon | i see |
| 14:23.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/hwclock' (1): (/sbin/hwclock) in utils/util-linux. |
| 14:23.42 | _plouf__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.57 | _plouf__ | when I read from raid1 to raid1, I see read speed = write speed on both drive |
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| 14:24.20 | _plouf__ | is this normal ? I was thinking read speed should be half the write speed |
| 14:24.31 | _plouf__ | In my case it appear raid1 read twice the same data |
| 14:24.42 | _plouf__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.00 | Nibbier | _plouf__, if you look at the raid devices this should be 1:1 |
| 14:25.04 | rpc | why is this happening? MTU size? else? TX packets:5480014 errors:0 dropped:2669 overruns:142220 carrier:0 |
| 14:25.17 | Nibbier | _plouf__, if you look at the disks underneath maybe its different |
| 14:25.23 | sep | rpc, nothing in the logs ? |
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| 14:25.53 | _plouf__ | i'm looking a disk level |
| 14:26.00 | rpc | sep hm checked /var/log/messages and nothing there |
| 14:26.02 | sep | rpc, arp table overflow, ipcontrac trable overflow. crc errors, |
| 14:26.12 | _plouf__ | at disk level |
| 14:26.19 | tarzeau | wols: it doesn't :) |
| 14:26.20 | sep | there can be many reasons, logs should indicate why |
| 14:26.59 | rpc | sep that's tap0 device... |
| 14:27.19 | rpc | i suspect there is something wrong with eth bridge setup.. just cant figure out what is it |
| 14:27.21 | sep | rpc, overrun is usualy becouse your card recives data faster then it can interupt |
| 14:27.31 | rpc | hmm.... |
| 14:27.33 | sep | http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-iface.ifconfig.html |
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| 14:27.51 | spacenerve | wols: stew: ... :D got it working .... applied a patch from the drupal site ....... well ....... i still can't login to drupal ;< even with old_passwords set to 0 in my.cnf and mysql restarted ..... blah |
| 14:28.04 | rpc | sep would you also imagine it to lose networking at all under some heavy load? |
| 14:28.08 | rpc | does it make any sense? |
| 14:28.14 | spacenerve | thinking of installing mysql5 from backports now ...... but don't see a corresponding php-mysql package :< |
| 14:28.46 | rpc | checking the url.. |
| 14:28.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: see? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/03/msg00401.html |
| 14:29.06 | abrotman | see what ? |
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| 14:29.29 | rpc | sep.. how about MTU size? |
| 14:29.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: debian has 6.2 kernels |
| 14:29.36 | abrotman | yay for 6.2 |
| 14:29.48 | rpc | sep if it's a gigabit nic connected to a 100mbit switch.. should MTU stay at 1500? or else? |
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| 14:29.53 | cancos | re |
| 14:30.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: does 6 suck as bad as 5 ? |
| 14:30.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: nope, much better hardware support |
| 14:30.27 | denken | tarzeau: see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/502 ... in short, just edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and swap the interface names |
| 14:30.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: with apt-get, it's really great |
| 14:30.38 | denken | ta-da. works. |
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| 14:30.44 | tarzeau | denken: thank you |
| 14:31.04 | denken | wols: thanks for mentioning that udev handles the interface naming. thats what led to me to the answer. |
| 14:31.34 | markc | ah, finally got formatted numbers on debian, export LC_ALL=en_AU.utf8 ; printf "%'.2f\n" 12345678.90 = 12,345,678.90 ... thanks for the help :) |
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| 14:32.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: i meant the performance |
| 14:32.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: that too! |
| 14:32.17 | aeronadix | holy shit, I just lost all my apps |
| 14:32.27 | sep | rpc, i'd assume the MTU would auto negotiate |
| 14:32.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i tried 5 .. but everyone told me that compared to 4 (which i also used) 5 was awful |
| 14:32.50 | tarzeau | markc: how?, i get printf: %': invalid directive |
| 14:33.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's right, but 6 is even much better, especially the gnu/kfreebsd one |
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| 14:33.22 | rpc | sep and how about arp/noarp? shouldn't i stop using arp for eth bridge? |
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| 14:33.47 | nail` | after recompile kernel 2.4.34 on debian stable I've a problem at boot: "VFS: Cannot open root device "root=" boot option - Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 08:01", I'm using grub, in menu.lst the new kernel has the same settings as the working kernel, I've compiled the kernel using and modifying the config file of the working kernel (found in /boot), I've tried to compile the support for all filesystems with no success |
| 14:33.51 | nail` | any idea, please ? |
| 14:33.56 | aeronadix | it just deinstalled X |
| 14:34.02 | aeronadix | wtf |
| 14:34.04 | tarzeau | nail`: sata disks? |
| 14:34.08 | nail` | no |
| 14:34.15 | tarzeau | nail`: with or without initrd? |
| 14:34.23 | nail` | without |
| 14:34.23 | dvs | nail`: didn't compile the file system or IDE controller into your kernel |
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| 14:34.50 | tarzeau | nail`: and the config file is configured right? disk controller/filesystem stuff is in the kernel, not just as module? |
| 14:34.53 | nail` | dvs, I think yes, what entry I've to check ? |
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| 14:35.16 | tarzeau | nail`: ext2/ext3 ? |
| 14:35.19 | dvs | nail`: Whatever your chipset is and make sure it's set to "Y" and not "M" |
| 14:35.27 | nail` | tarzeau I'm compiling what i need in kernel, but I'm not sure what I'm missing |
| 14:35.41 | tarzeau | nail`: like dvs said |
| 14:35.42 | nail` | tarzeau the fs is ext2, i've compiled support for both |
| 14:35.48 | tarzeau | nail`: M or Y? |
| 14:35.57 | nail` | dvs, all Y |
| 14:36.17 | tarzeau | nail`: did you use make-kpkg ? |
| 14:36.20 | dvs | nail`: what chipset do you have? |
| 14:36.20 | nail` | in the end this should be a very simple configuration, this is a 486 laptop |
| 14:36.31 | nail` | tarzeau yes, make-kpkg |
| 14:36.47 | nail` | dvs, it's an old 486 laptop |
| 14:37.14 | tarzeau | nail`: grep IDE= in your config file shows it all as =y ? |
| 14:37.15 | _plouf__ | I'm doing this |
| 14:37.23 | _plouf__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.27 | tarzeau | nail`: here's mine http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.4.34-rc3/config-p1-1gb |
| 14:37.33 | _plouf__ | sda 11,60 MB/s 11,87 MB/s |
| 14:37.35 | nail` | tarzeau checking |
| 14:37.36 | wols | nail`: a 2.6 kernel is worth it btw, even on such low hardware |
| 14:37.46 | _plouf__ | sdb 11,51 MB/s 11,87 MB/s |
| 14:37.46 | tarzeau | _plouf__: very slow without bs=1mb |
| 14:37.49 | _plouf__ | wait |
| 14:37.56 | markc | tarzeau, what did you use exactly ? ... is your locales set up right ? |
| 14:37.57 | _plouf__ | dd if=/dev/xen_vg/dom1 of=/dev/xen_vg/dom2 bs=1M |
| 14:38.01 | nail` | wols why ? |
| 14:38.05 | _plouf__ | sda 0,00 31,57 |
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| 14:38.08 | tarzeau | markc: not sure, i just copy pasted your command |
| 14:38.12 | _plouf__ | sdb 30,98 30,54 |
| 14:38.19 | wols | nail`: mainly better scheduler |
| 14:38.21 | GhostInTheShell | nail`: do you have an entry for the root fs which the kernel will use in menu.lst? |
| 14:38.30 | dvs | GhostInTheShell: he says yes |
| 14:38.38 | _plouf__ | tarzeau, you see waht I mean ? |
| 14:38.44 | nail` | GhostInTheShell i'm using the same settings of the working kernel |
| 14:38.44 | GhostInTheShell | ugh, i missed that |
| 14:38.52 | dvs | nail`: that means no |
| 14:39.03 | dvs | nail`: but you said you set them to "Y" right? |
| 14:39.06 | wols | e.g with 2.4 I had a 486 running a harddisk PIO mode with samba. whenever I delete a big file I lost connection. with 2.6 this was faster (xfs deletes) and didn't kill my samba connection . it was on a network share |
| 14:39.09 | markc | tarzeau, maybe you need to set up your locales... see what locale -a says, perhaps dpkg-reconfigure locales and select the utf version for your language... then try again |
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| 14:39.35 | wols | nail`: and as others said: IDE controller and/or filesystem |
| 14:39.56 | tarzeau | markc: tried this: export LC_ALL=fr_FR.utf8 ; printf "%'.2f\n" 12345678.90 |
| 14:39.57 | wols | nail`: what does lspci say? what ide controller? |
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| 14:40.04 | tarzeau | markc: and i keep getting printf: %': invalid directive |
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| 14:40.22 | wols | ArmEagle: that %' looks kinda suspicious for C |
| 14:40.24 | nail` | lspci |
| 14:40.24 | nail` | pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci |
| 14:40.24 | nail` | lspci: Cannot find any working access method. |
| 14:40.26 | nail` | :) |
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| 14:40.27 | wols | ver suspicious |
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| 14:40.38 | wols | Nibbier: wth are you running there? |
| 14:40.44 | wols | erm. nail |
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| 14:40.49 | nail` | sorry |
| 14:40.50 | markc | tarzeau, what does "echo $LC_NUMERIC" give ? |
| 14:40.51 | nail` | it's a 486 |
| 14:40.59 | nail` | so i think no pci inside here |
| 14:41.07 | tarzeau | markc: nothing |
| 14:41.09 | wols | nail`: doesn't answer my question. I ran sarge on such a thing just fine :) |
| 14:41.16 | wols | ah. ok |
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| 14:41.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you know binaries of gnu/kfreebsd are significantly smaller than linux ones? |
| 14:41.34 | wols | then it's default ISA IDE with PIO mode I guess |
| 14:41.55 | reinhold | Since I updated my etch installation on the server, postfix does no longer receive messages. Every connection to port 25 crashes postfix: "warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 12421 exit status 127" and "warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling" |
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| 14:42.13 | reinhold | Is this a known problem, and more important: how can I solve this asap? |
| 14:42.23 | markc | tarzeau, same here... set | grep ^LC = LC_ALL=en_AU.utf8 ... for me |
| 14:42.31 | ReinH | oh crap, you're going to trigger my irssi hilight now. lol |
| 14:42.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: for example http://packages.debian.org/unstable/sound/opencubicplayer .. can you imagine the use on low-end systems? |
| 14:42.41 | nail` | cat .config |grep IDE is too big |
| 14:42.50 | markc | tarzeau, I'm using sid, but I tried it on ubuntu feisty as well, both worked |
| 14:42.50 | nail` | can i do a better search for it ? |
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| 14:43.10 | wols | nail`: grep IDE .config |
| 14:43.12 | tarzeau | markc: somehow the ' in the printf "" seems to be a problem |
| 14:43.16 | wols | nail`: grep IDE .config|less |
| 14:43.22 | tarzeau | nail`: IDE= |
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| 14:43.44 | nail` | it's ok, but what i'm looking for ? |
| 14:43.48 | tarzeau | nail`: and BLK_DEV_ |
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| 14:44.01 | dvs | nail`: "M" or "Y" |
| 14:44.01 | tarzeau | nail`: do you have SCSI? |
| 14:44.05 | markc | tarzeau, for me, that apostrophe is what gives the hint to printf to provide formatted numerics |
| 14:44.15 | nail` | tarzeau no SCSI |
| 14:44.21 | nail` | it's an old 486 laptop |
| 14:44.30 | tarzeau | nail`: ah right |
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| 14:44.54 | nail` | dvs, searching for IDE gives everything with IDE inside, like parallel stuff |
| 14:44.56 | markc | tarzeau, printf "%.2f\n" 12345678.90 = 12345678.90, printf "%'.2f\n" 12345678.90 = 12,345,678.90 |
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| 14:45.08 | dvs | nail`: grep IDE= .config |
| 14:45.19 | nail` | so if i search for it there are a lot of y, a lot of m and a lot of not set |
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| 14:46.01 | nail` | CONFIG_PARIDE=m |
| 14:46.09 | nail` | CONFIG_IDE=y |
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| 14:46.18 | dvs | nail`: and? |
| 14:46.23 | reinhold | Manually downgrading postfix to 2.3.7-3 fixed the problem. So, the current package in testing is broken. Who is the right person to tell? |
| 14:46.23 | nail` | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y |
| 14:46.30 | nail` | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD_IDE=y |
| 14:46.37 | dvs | nail`: Ok. So that part is ok |
| 14:46.47 | nail` | PARIDE must be m ? |
| 14:47.01 | nail` | must PARIDE be m ? |
| 14:47.06 | wols | ignore that |
| 14:47.13 | nail` | ok |
| 14:47.16 | wols | only applies to imomega zip disks |
| 14:47.25 | nail` | ok |
| 14:47.31 | wols | !tell reinhold about BTS |
| 14:47.31 | dvs | nail`: grep EXT2 .config |
| 14:47.32 | GhostInTheShell | well, if lspci doesn't work will lshw work? |
| 14:47.34 | wols | !tell reinhold about reportbug |
| 14:47.43 | dual-man | what does mangle mean |
| 14:47.46 | tarzeau | GhostInTheShell: it might, or hwinfo |
| 14:47.52 | nail` | dvs, y |
| 14:47.58 | GhostInTheShell | damn, i'm not at home to try |
| 14:48.02 | tarzeau | GhostInTheShell: lspci doesn't work how? tried update-pciids? |
| 14:48.11 | GhostInTheShell | my old 486 is turned off now |
| 14:48.13 | wols | tarzeau: no pci bus :P |
| 14:48.39 | wols | dual-man: change in a way. still at ipmasq? |
| 14:48.47 | GhostInTheShell | tarzeau: on 486 lspci doesn't work |
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| 14:49.10 | dvs | nail`: grep IDE_GENERIC .config |
| 14:49.17 | wols | GhostInTheShell: depends on the 486 mobo. some do have PCI |
| 14:49.23 | wols | mine has ull 3 slots! |
| 14:49.24 | GhostInTheShell | my have |
| 14:49.32 | GhostInTheShell | but it doesn't work either |
| 14:49.33 | nail` | dvs, no entry for it |
| 14:49.39 | wols | did work for me |
| 14:49.42 | wols | what chipset is it? |
| 14:49.42 | GhostInTheShell | dunno why |
| 14:49.59 | GhostInTheShell | Ali or something like that |
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| 14:50.17 | tarzeau | wols: you should try kq really, one of the best rpg i've seen |
| 14:50.42 | tarzeau | wols: oh and mazeofgalious |
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| 14:50.46 | wols | kinda hard to google for "kq"? |
| 14:50.49 | nail` | is it possibile ? |
| 14:50.53 | tarzeau | wols: try kq lives. |
| 14:51.00 | wols | "kenya airlines website" :P |
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| 14:51.20 | wols | tarzeau: ouch. first sentence: "console style" |
| 14:51.37 | tarzeau | wols: not nice? |
| 14:51.38 | wols | now that is something that puts me off. console games suck (and I don't mean nethack) |
| 14:51.50 | tarzeau | wols: yeah got it, like on nes/snes |
| 14:52.00 | wols | konsoles means usually dumbed down gameplay to appeal the masses and fit to a 4 button controller |
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| 14:52.13 | tarzeau | wols: it's got really nice graphics and a nice atmosphere concerning music and sound effects |
| 14:52.19 | wols | least common denominator gaming |
| 14:53.11 | freetos | were getting closer to a final etch it looks like http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 14:53.11 | tarzeau | wols: it's just a bit disappointing to get "this monster can't fight yet" messages after 15 hours of playing |
| 14:53.13 | wols | tarzeau: kq gives me 80s flashbacks |
| 14:53.13 | wols | ultima here I come! |
| 14:53.13 | wols | :) |
| 14:53.14 | nail` | is it possible that i've no entry for IDE_GENERIC in my .config ? |
| 14:53.14 | wols | nail`: unlikely |
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| 14:53.43 | freetos | what's up with dat guy movin_2_Sun ?? to work on solaris no less, ouch |
| 14:53.51 | tarzeau | freetos: ian? |
| 14:53.55 | jlhenry | How can I load a module instead of an other one? And I'd like that to be done automaticaly at boot time. My question is for a network driver. |
| 14:54.01 | dvs | freetos: traitor! ;-) |
| 14:54.14 | freetos | tarzeau, sounds right |
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| 14:54.55 | nail` | my 2.6 config file has the CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC=m |
| 14:55.09 | nail` | is it possible that 2.4 doesn't use CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC ? |
| 14:55.15 | tarzeau | nail`: you want it to be =y |
| 14:55.25 | nail` | tarzeau 2.6 is working |
| 14:55.57 | tarzeau | nail`: dunno. i've got 2.4 and 2.6 kernels working here, my own, latest versions |
| 14:56.33 | wols | tarzeau: how about a friendly grep to check? |
| 14:56.34 | nail` | tarzeau could you please check if you have IDE_GENERIC in you 2.4 config please ? |
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| 14:57.08 | tarzeau | nail`: no CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC in my 2.4.34-rc3 kernel |
| 14:57.21 | nail` | ok |
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| 14:57.41 | nail` | so i must have another problem |
| 14:58.08 | nail` | but i really can't figure out what |
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| 15:02.05 | nail` | do you think that i've to try with 2.6 ? |
| 15:02.19 | wols | nail`: how much RAM? |
| 15:02.25 | nail` | 20mb |
| 15:02.38 | wols | tight :( |
| 15:02.56 | wols | mine had 64, there it was easy |
| 15:03.01 | tarzeau | nail`: want to try debian gnu/kfreebsd ? |
| 15:03.08 | wols | I'd rather use a 2.2 or even lower then |
| 15:03.20 | wols | as long as you don't use any modules, even sarge should work |
| 15:03.36 | Langly1 | damn small linux runs nicely on 16m ram |
| 15:03.43 | nail` | tarzeau i'm not familiar with freebsd |
| 15:03.48 | tarzeau | nail`: it's debian |
| 15:04.02 | tarzeau | nail`: just another kernel, you don't need to be familiar with it to be able to use it |
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| 15:04.45 | nail` | i'm having problems compiling linux, i think i'll have more problem compiling something i've never seen :\ |
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| 15:05.57 | wols | nail`: debian isn't a source based distro |
| 15:06.05 | wols | btw: why do you need a new kernel? |
| 15:06.07 | nail` | wols you're right |
| 15:06.22 | nail` | because this one is very slow |
| 15:06.29 | nail` | 10 minutes to boot |
| 15:06.48 | nail` | it's the standard one |
| 15:06.57 | nail` | with usb, bluetooth etc etc |
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| 15:07.03 | wols | sarge? kill of the gazillion daemon crap |
| 15:07.10 | nail` | all things that my 486 can't even dream of |
| 15:07.49 | nail` | in the end i need a small kernel |
| 15:08.13 | nail` | with no more than ethernet and pcmcia support |
| 15:08.15 | MrWup | hey |
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| 15:08.17 | MrWup | i got kde installed |
| 15:08.24 | MrWup | and running fine with xserver |
| 15:08.26 | wols | !win MrWup |
| 15:08.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, MrWup! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 15:08.38 | MrWup | now i need to get a browser installed |
| 15:08.45 | MrWup | and no idea how to alter apt-get proxy settings |
| 15:08.49 | MrWup | and the mirror |
| 15:08.49 | wols | you already have. konqueror |
| 15:08.52 | nail` | but i've to compile also PCI support because this 2.4 i'm using doesn't want to compile without |
| 15:08.58 | MrWup | oh |
| 15:08.58 | jelly | MrWup: konqueror is a decent web browser too |
| 15:09.17 | wols | MrWup: and iceweasel is in debian if you want it |
| 15:09.26 | wols | !tell MrWup about iceweasel |
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| 15:09.48 | Bracki | #/j pylons |
| 15:09.57 | jelly | cylons? |
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| 15:10.18 | nail` | do you think that i've to try with 2.2 ? |
| 15:10.43 | wols | nail`: I would. the lower you go, the smaller the kernel. as long as your hardware is fine with it... |
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| 15:11.04 | wols | e.g. especially the pcmcia |
| 15:11.22 | MrWup | i dont think konqueror has been installed for some reason |
| 15:11.34 | MrWup | i cant find it at all |
| 15:11.58 | wols | your kde filemanager? |
| 15:12.04 | wols | you can't really install kde without it... |
| 15:12.09 | Bracki | wols: python rapid web dev framework -> #pylons |
| 15:12.16 | MrWup | kde filemanager doesnt seem to open |
| 15:12.18 | MrWup | when i click it |
| 15:12.19 | wols | ah. another one of those :P |
| 15:12.29 | Bracki | what does "rc" in dpkg -l mean? |
| 15:12.33 | wols | MrWup: open a konsole |
| 15:12.40 | wols | type "konq" then tab |
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| 15:13.21 | jlhenry | Why can a module be loaded even if I've black listed it!? |
| 15:13.28 | jlhenry | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.49 | Bracki | i tried to purge a package but it seems like its already removed, but som files remain. |
| 15:14.02 | Bracki | !dist-upgrade |
| 15:14.03 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 15:14.26 | Bracki | !sarge->etch |
| 15:14.27 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 15:15.35 | nail` | wols do you think that i can miss the new features of 2.4 and 2.6 with my 486 without notices ? |
| 15:15.48 | Bracki | after dist-upgrade how do i get rid of all remaining sarge stuff? |
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| 15:16.00 | Ronin | Bracki: there likely wont be any |
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| 15:18.11 | h3sp4wn | Bracki: aptitude search \~Astable\~i |
| 15:18.13 | freetos | anyone know where i can get a net-install for etch? |
| 15:18.23 | freetos | etch rc2 that is |
| 15:18.34 | h3sp4wn | !d-i |
| 15:18.34 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 15:20.03 | MrWup | hey |
| 15:20.06 | MrWup | i typed konq then tab |
| 15:20.09 | MrWup | nothing happens |
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| 15:20.37 | h3sp4wn | Bracki: Unless its changed alot recently a sarge->etch upgrade left stuff like modutils (that is not really needed if you use 2.6) |
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| 15:27.26 | wols | nail`: tbh there are two pitfalls. so I dunno if it'll work with a sarge userland |
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| 15:27.40 | wols | modutils changes (should be easy witha fully monolithic kernel) |
| 15:27.52 | wols | and the big one: libc6 changed too afaik |
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| 15:42.46 | Danielss89 | hi, when im sending a mail with php, and dont type a sender, the sender is set to www-data@danielss89.cust.gigahost.dk <-- i guess its the user@hostname.. but where can i change that?? ive change /etc/hostname, but nothing happends |
| 15:43.09 | nail` | now the system hangs on "Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM" |
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| 15:43.17 | nail` | with no other messages |
| 15:43.29 | hark | !tell root about root |
| 15:43.38 | hark | Danielss89: /etc/mailname ? |
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| 15:43.54 | Danielss89 | ok |
| 15:44.11 | wols | nail`: wth is that? |
| 15:44.30 | Danielss89 | hark no its not that either.. |
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| 15:44.53 | miles | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.53 | miles | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.55 | miles | 15:40 < root> for instance, xxmms automaticaly went, but biliard, foobiliard |
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| 15:45.06 | nail` | wols i don't know, i've just discovered Y in my .config, i'm cleaning it |
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| 15:45.57 | wols | I hope you don't compile on the 486? |
| 15:46.06 | miles | anyone? |
| 15:46.31 | wols | miles: get irssi. not ircii! |
| 15:46.39 | miles | im on irssi |
| 15:46.46 | wols | I mean ircii. that's not supposed to even compile anymore :) |
| 15:46.46 | miles | i was hoping for a gui client :| |
| 15:46.51 | wols | x-chat |
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| 15:47.00 | wols | !irssi |
| 15:47.01 | dpkg | irssi is probably the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
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| 15:47.04 | miles | but when i install stuff, where does it go?!? |
| 15:47.05 | wols | so don't you dare change it :) |
| 15:47.19 | wols | it should end up in menu |
| 15:47.22 | wols | !tell miles about menu |
| 15:47.23 | miles | xmms went in the start menu - great |
| 15:47.32 | wols | gnome should have a extra menu entry "debian" |
| 15:47.35 | wols | under there |
| 15:47.45 | miles | but biliard and foo-biliard - my fave linux games, went .... where? |
| 15:47.48 | wols | but not all packages work that way unfrotunately |
| 15:47.49 | hark | Danielss89: that is the debian default.. it's either a PHP thing or you have changed your mail settings |
| 15:48.00 | wols | !tell miles about search |
| 15:48.12 | wols | open an xterm and type "billiard". it should start |
| 15:48.26 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.27 | miles | lol, can you tell me how to switch to these other screens in irssi! |
| 15:48.36 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.39 | wols | where # is a number |
| 15:48.41 | Danielss89 | hark do you know where in the mail settings it might be??¨ |
| 15:48.49 | miles | :D |
| 15:48.50 | miles | ta |
| 15:48.51 | wols | if that doesn't work: /window goto # |
| 15:48.54 | c00lfon | Or Esc#. |
| 15:48.59 | c00lfon | Or window goto. |
| 15:49.03 | hark | Danielss89: for postfox /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 15:49.06 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.16 | hark | even /win # |
| 15:49.20 | Danielss89 | ok |
| 15:49.42 | hark | ctrl n and ctrl p too |
| 15:49.47 | wols | Danielss89: postfix has an option of the form "if there is no from, add the hostname/mailname by default" IIRC |
| 15:49.48 | MythrilSword | bye |
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| 15:49.57 | miles | so shall i install methinks menu? |
| 15:50.06 | hark | it's myorigin iirc |
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| 15:51.04 | wols | miles: definitely |
| 15:51.19 | hark | yes, menu and menu-xdg |
| 15:51.48 | miles | ok, they are already installed |
| 15:52.25 | wols | in your gnome menu, is there an entry "debian" |
| 15:52.29 | miles | yup |
| 15:53.27 | miles | it hasnt added billiard |
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| 15:53.38 | wols | does it have iceweasel? |
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| 15:53.42 | sl1ck | hi |
| 15:53.44 | wols | as I said: not all are in there |
| 15:53.56 | sl1ck | does anyone know an updated etch+fglrx howto? |
| 15:53.59 | miles | ok |
| 15:54.02 | hark | miles: check under games |
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| 15:55.18 | miles | nope not there |
| 15:55.32 | miles | typing billiard or foo billiard in console gives no luck |
| 15:55.38 | freetos | last time2/28 testing-netintall i tried, it worked for the net install, but my internet connection didn't work, has this been fixed? |
| 15:55.45 | miles | or foobilliard |
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| 15:56.41 | hark | it's foobillard |
| 15:56.50 | miles | ok, thanks for the help. booting back into windows now, but if it wasn't for this channel i woulndt have got the netinstall, and subsequent better etch version |
| 15:56.51 | wols | miles: dpkg -L foobiiliard |
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| 15:56.53 | freetos | i'm downloading knoppix, just in case it doesn't work |
| 15:57.03 | miles | sarge didnt have my video drivers :| |
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| 15:58.34 | erchache | exists any specific repository for xeon emt64 cpus? |
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| 15:58.37 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 15:58.37 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 15:58.37 | CoolCubix | hello, is there a way to mount a DVD to be seen as a hard disk ? I mean, with a partition supporting read-write just as any ext{2,3} partition |
| 15:59.44 | erchache | abrotman: if im asking here is because i saw these before :-D |
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| 16:00.21 | hark | tried #debian-amd64? |
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| 16:02.20 | pestilence | CoolCubix: yes, there is. but i can't remember how to do it. |
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| 16:03.23 | wols | CoolCubix: DVD RAM is needed for that I'd think |
| 16:03.30 | tcleval | is it possible build a read/write filesystem on a dvd? like an HD |
| 16:03.31 | abrotman | erchache: then ask a better question ? |
| 16:03.42 | pestilence | tcleval: are you coolcubix? |
| 16:03.45 | miles | actually, how do i enable hardware acceleration support on etch? |
| 16:03.56 | tcleval | nope |
| 16:03.59 | pestilence | haha |
| 16:03.59 | CoolCubix | pestilence> really not, i was wondering if it was a joke |
| 16:04.01 | tcleval | why? |
| 16:04.09 | pestilence | he just asked the same questions |
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| 16:04.13 | tcleval | lol |
| 16:04.13 | CoolCubix | tcleval> i just asked the same question one minute ago |
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| 16:04.22 | tcleval | so what is the aswer/ |
| 16:04.26 | pestilence | well, misery loves company, so have at it :) |
| 16:04.48 | pestilence | tcleval: it is possible, i just can't remember how to do it. |
| 16:04.52 | CoolCubix | tcleval> if i knew ^^ |
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| 16:05.11 | hark | miles: by installing drivers with 3d support |
| 16:05.27 | miles | ahhhh. do i go to nvidia for that? |
| 16:05.29 | tcleval | CoolCubix are u brasilian? |
| 16:05.33 | sl1ck | I read the fglrx one-liner from dpkg, unfortunately when I run m-a a-i fglrx I get compilation errors, I'm using etch, any suggestions are welcome |
| 16:05.37 | CoolCubix | tcleval> no |
| 16:05.41 | Danielss89 | hmm how do i add a new user |
| 16:05.53 | hark | man adduser |
| 16:05.59 | CoolCubix | tcleval> sorry if my host looks saying i'm brasilian |
| 16:06.00 | zzz | Has anyone installed 3.1r5 from scratch using the full CDs? |
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| 16:06.21 | Danielss89 | Hark, i mean a new mail user |
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| 16:06.22 | Jacky123 | hello |
| 16:06.29 | Danielss89 | is that also by adding a regular user |
| 16:06.33 | pestilence | ahhh |
| 16:06.39 | hark | miles: for nvidia yes |
| 16:06.41 | pestilence | CoolCubix: tcleval: packet writing |
| 16:06.41 | Jacky123 | hello,everyone |
| 16:06.47 | nvz | zzz: nope, nobody.. ever.. |
| 16:06.48 | hark | depends |
| 16:07.02 | tcleval | CoolCubix, coz there is an nice article about this on www.vivaolinux.com.br but it is in portuguese |
| 16:07.08 | CoolCubix | pestilence> does it necessarily needs a dvd-ram ? |
| 16:07.13 | nvz | zzz: btw 3.1r5 is just 3.1 with some security fixes so like 95% of it is identical to the original 3.1 |
| 16:07.15 | miles | hark, whats the best way to proceed? goto the website? |
| 16:07.21 | pestilence | CoolCubix: no...it needs a dvd rw |
| 16:07.29 | pestilence | i think + or -, it doesn't matter |
| 16:07.29 | CoolCubix | pestilence> ok, no problem |
| 16:07.33 | miles | or apt-get install? i have a few options under nvidia |
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| 16:07.42 | FJ_Sanchez | Hello |
| 16:07.51 | hark | miles: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:08.01 | zzz | nvz: The reason I am asking is: I found a bug in the installer and want to confirm if others saw it too. |
| 16:08.11 | Jacky123 | hello,everyone! |
| 16:08.17 | FJ_Sanchez | One noob question, when I log in a login shell, what script set my PATH? |
| 16:08.20 | nvz | zzz: thats why we have a bts and #debian-boot |
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| 16:08.31 | miles | ad that will give me 3d support? |
| 16:08.35 | nvz | zzz: when people find bugs they report them |
| 16:08.45 | miles | ill give it a bash |
| 16:08.55 | hark | FJ_Sanchez: /etc/profile usually |
| 16:08.56 | zzz | nvz: I didn't know about #debian-boot. Thank you. |
| 16:09.01 | nvz | bash with 3d support? |
| 16:09.06 | zzz | nvz: I am not sure how I should report the bug. |
| 16:09.06 | tcleval | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM look here CoolCubix |
| 16:09.33 | CoolCubix | tcleval> i don't have any dvd-ram capable hardware |
| 16:09.37 | Jacky123 | 在vmware下装debianæ— æ³•è¿›å›¾å½¢ç•Œé¢ã€‚ |
| 16:09.39 | nvz | zzz: probably against debian-installer |
| 16:09.56 | CoolCubix | tcleval> what i want is to do it with a dvd-rw |
| 16:10.05 | nvz | zzz: explain the bug in more detail.. the #debian-boot people should be able to help that channel is strictly for Debian-Installer |
| 16:10.10 | FJ_Sanchez | hark: do you have in this file all the /usr:/Usr/bin stuff |
| 16:10.11 | FJ_Sanchez | ?? |
| 16:10.13 | tcleval | CoolCubix, yes, but it explain what dvd-ram and dvd-rw can and cant do |
| 16:10.13 | Jacky123 | 大家有解决方案å—？ |
| 16:10.31 | tcleval | CoolCubix, I have the same problem here |
| 16:10.33 | zzz | nvz: The bug exists in base-config actually. base-config does not add a Debian mirror line to /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 16:10.46 | pestilence | !cn |
| 16:10.46 | dpkg | cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 16:10.49 | hark | FJ_Sanchez: also depends on your ~/.bash_profile, take a look (.bashrc too) |
| 16:11.09 | FJ_Sanchez | hark but I want to know what is de default one |
| 16:11.09 | tcleval | CoolCubix, this article points to ---> require special packet reading/writing software to read and write data discs |
| 16:11.24 | nvz | zzz: its suppose to run apt-setup (apt-cdrom..etc) to aide the user in selecting sources |
| 16:11.27 | FJ_Sanchez | For example, in my .bashrc I don't have any add to the PATH |
| 16:11.33 | hark | FJ_Sanchez: /msg dpkg dotfiles |
| 16:11.33 | nvz | zzz: if you dont select sources it shouldnt add anything |
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| 16:11.42 | FJ_Sanchez | thx |
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| 16:12.17 | zzz | nvz: The problem is that it doesn't ask for adding any sources. It only adds the detected cdroms and Debian security archive mirror's address. |
| 16:12.18 | pingouin | is it possible to have the flash player with Konqueror ? |
| 16:12.54 | hark | yes |
| 16:12.55 | wols | yes |
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| 16:13.07 | wols | konq uses the netscape plugin api |
| 16:13.15 | CoolCubix | tcleval> yep', and in Packet_Writing there's a link about how to do it with linux and a dvdrw |
| 16:13.17 | miles | ok, i need to add some more sources to my apt package range |
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| 16:13.20 | nvz | zzz: not sure. I'd really talk to people who know more about the process.. |
| 16:13.22 | miles | how do i do that again? |
| 16:13.24 | tcleval | CoolCubix, google --------> packet writing linux ---> many many links |
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| 16:13.38 | miles | specificaly, souce i think |
| 16:13.41 | zzz | nvz: Okay. Thank you once again. |
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| 16:14.15 | FJ_Sanchez | that is what I was looking for, /etc/environment |
| 16:14.24 | FJ_Sanchez | Thx hark |
| 16:14.28 | CoolCubix | tcleval> yes yes, i didn't know the word packet writing... i was asking google "linux use dvd as hard disk" and it isn't really productive |
| 16:14.33 | MadDwarf | Hi. I'm still having troubles with my Neverwinternights game. Still gettign Seg fault SDL Parachute deployed error, after trying every fix i could find. Have uninstalled and reinstalled many times, in many ways. Does anyone have any ideas what I can do? |
| 16:15.09 | wols | MadDwarf: no since we don't know about NWN |
| 16:15.09 | |zetetic| | hi. when I click on the play button of system sounds (on Preferemces -> Sound) no event has sound! Anyone knows why this is happening? |
| 16:15.12 | wols | only bioware does |
| 16:15.14 | Bracki | i'm trying to get network-manager running with my orinoco card. but i want to use the hostap driver so i can get wpa to run. i blacklisted the orinoco/hermes stuff. but now network-manager doesnt load any driver at all. any hints? |
| 16:15.28 | FJ_Sanchez | So the PAM layer is always exec, and doesn't mind if I use bash or csh? |
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| 16:16.27 | Bracki | i've got a feeling that maybe the pcmcia stuff isnt handled properly. if i eject my normal lan card, the driver remains loaded. with sarge this wasnt the case. |
| 16:16.45 | MadDwarf | ok ,thnx wols. I knew it was a long shot, but no-where else seems to be able to help 8o( |
| 16:17.03 | zzz | nvz: Are you sure that the channel #debian-boot is correct. Just joined and found that there are only five users including myself. |
| 16:17.16 | zzz | nvz: That . should have been a ? |
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| 16:17.39 | tcleval | http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/packet-writing-on-cdrw-and-dvdrw-media/ CoolCubix |
| 16:17.43 | jelly | Bracki: the driver can remain loaded, but did the ethX device disappear? |
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| 16:18.35 | CoolCubix | tcleval> i was reading it |
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| 16:19.01 | nvz | zzz: maybe they moved to OFTC like debian did *shrug* try irc.debian.org |
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| 16:19.25 | nvz | zzz: or maybe there arent many people around who are interested in debian boot right now |
| 16:19.57 | nvz | zzz: did you scan all 14 or so cds in at some point? |
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| 16:20.24 | zzz | nvz: I used the first two CDs only. |
| 16:20.40 | nvz | zzz: yeah but to do so you would have had to index them at some point |
| 16:20.57 | nvz | zzz: which is where you would have selected mirrors if you wanted to do so |
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| 16:21.21 | msingh | is there a place to put requests for packages? |
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| 16:21.45 | nvz | msingh: yeah you can do it but its not real productive.. heh |
| 16:22.07 | zzz | nvz: Yes, the cds get indexed properly. The installer asked for the cds. However nothing was asked about adding mirrors. So when one installs by going through the prompts and not doing anything special, the installer skips adding mirrors to the /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
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| 16:22.29 | msingh | nnv there is something handy for emacs/maxima that i think should be packaged up |
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| 16:22.58 | nvz | zzz: it skipped it because you had pool cds which were added to /etc/apt/sources.list and you didnt say otherwise |
| 16:23.29 | Bracki | !nm |
| 16:23.29 | dpkg | i guess nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 16:23.35 | nvz | zzz: many people dont realize debian-installer has a damn menu.. its not FAI and you dont have to go through the steps it chooses in that order you can stop and manually select steps from the main menu |
| 16:23.38 | Bracki | !network-manager |
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| 16:23.58 | Bracki | !nm-tools |
| 16:24.09 | Bracki | jelly: for the lan yes but not for the wifi. |
| 16:24.47 | junix-other | i'm having an issue with vsftpd, on 3.1r5, it won't start |
| 16:25.12 | zzz | nvz: In my opinion, the defaults should always end up with something usable. debian-installer should add Debian mirrors to /etc/apt/sources.list automatically. |
| 16:25.34 | nvz | zzz: why so it hangs on systems which dont have internet? |
| 16:25.51 | nvz | zzz: so they have to wait a long time for an internet timeout before installing each package? |
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| 16:26.44 | zzz | nvz: Okay, maybe the installer could ask before adding mirrors. But it should ask nevertheless. Otherwise one gets broken behaviour. |
| 16:27.01 | Bracki | !etch |
| 16:27.02 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 16:27.03 | msingh | nvz, can you give me an email address. who should i harass? the person in charge of maxima? i want imaxima-mode for emacs |
| 16:27.15 | nvz | !maint maxima |
| 16:27.19 | jelly | Bracki: hm, so the wifi driver disappears too when that card is removed? That's funny. |
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| 16:27.23 | dpkg | maxima: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com> |
| 16:27.27 | nvz | msingh: ^ |
| 16:27.48 | nvz | msingh: that is the package maintainer for maxima |
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| 16:27.53 | msingh | nvz, cheers. what should i say to him? he wont be some GPL nut will he? |
| 16:27.59 | nvz | heh |
| 16:28.09 | cydork | msingh: actully i wont suggest harassing package maintainer.. |
| 16:28.15 | nvz | msingh: you gotta realize debian has policies.. stricter than GPL |
| 16:28.19 | junix-other | is anyone having issues with vsftpd not starting? |
| 16:28.36 | msingh | nvz, that is the unix way - debian is just living up to a rich tradition |
| 16:28.41 | nvz | msingh: DFSG != GPL |
| 16:28.56 | nvz | msingh: DFSG can be GPL but GPL can also be non DFSG |
| 16:29.07 | moconnor | I want to run a script during boot up of my machine which needs interactive human input. My idea was to run it from init.d, but I get the error that /dev/tty can't be opened. I also tried to run it from iniitab (passing -n -l to getty) but that didn't work either, same problem. |
| 16:29.21 | moconnor | I want to run a script during boot up of my machine which needs interactive human input. My idea was to run it from init.d, but I get the error that /dev/tty can't be opened. I also tried to run it from iniitab (passing -n -l to getty) but that didn't work either, same problem. How do I do this? |
| 16:29.23 | msingh | nvz, there is a maxima-mode package already for emacs. maybe i should harass that owner instead? |
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| 16:29.57 | beoba | which policies does gpl lack, and are they included in gplv3? |
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| 16:30.47 | zzz | nvz: The installer does not add a debian mirror to the sources.list file but it adds a security mirror. That is contradictory of what you said. |
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| 16:31.40 | nvz | zzz: it comments the security mirror out every time I installed unless you specifically add a internet mirror and choose yes to security updates |
| 16:31.41 | nail` | the system hangs on boot with "Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM" while CONFIG_IP_MULTICAST is N on config |
| 16:31.44 | nail` | what is that ? |
| 16:32.09 | nvz | zzz: I am done talking about it because I havent dont it lately.. and afaik last I did everything worked as expected. |
| 16:32.46 | zzz | nvz: I just tried to install debian today and it doesn't ask for anything regarding the security mirror. It simply adds it to the sources.list file. Anyway. Thank you for your time. |
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| 16:34.29 | Bracki | jelly: no the wifi driver isnt loaded at all |
| 16:34.33 | nvz | ugh I swear I might as well be on 28,800 dialup for fucks sake.. I got cable internet and its slow as fuck |
| 16:34.37 | nvz | I get lag on IRC ffs |
| 16:34.42 | MrMary | is it difficult to install debian? |
| 16:34.47 | Ronin | MrMary: nope |
| 16:34.57 | nvz | takes like 5 minutes for a simple google maps query |
| 16:35.21 | MrMary | i always here people say t hat ubuntu is for people who cant install debian |
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| 16:35.41 | nail` | MrMary if you can install ubuntu, you can install debian too |
| 16:35.42 | junix-other | ok i have a problem, i have 2 boxes both with vsftpd on them, one of them willnot accept incoming connections....i'm not sure why?! |
| 16:35.54 | Catachan | I need to ask about wireless on Debian |
| 16:36.08 | Catachan | It doesn't recognize my Wireless card |
| 16:36.19 | Catachan | Intel Proset Wireless 2200 |
| 16:36.21 | Catachan | bg |
| 16:36.34 | nail` | Catachan what google says about it + linux ? |
| 16:36.51 | MrMary | is debian a good first distro? |
| 16:37.09 | nail` | MrMary it depends on what you expect from a linux distro |
| 16:37.16 | msingh | MrMary, it is good and it bad - simultaneously |
| 16:37.20 | Bracki | yes, no need to look back then. |
| 16:37.21 | zzz | I hate to say this but I will nevertheless: Catachan: Ubuntu works with ipw2200 out of the box. |
| 16:37.30 | cydork | Catachan: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 16:37.46 | Catachan | I have tried manually running "modprobe ipw2200" but, actually, I just realized that I should check my kernel. . . I was on a slackware based distro before Debian, and 2.6.17 did not work with it |
| 16:37.48 | MrMary | i want email, web browser and irc and bittorrent |
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| 16:38.01 | MrMary | and movies and music |
| 16:38.11 | Bracki | and games and pr0n. |
| 16:38.20 | MrMary | nah thats it |
| 16:38.47 | Catachan | hmm, you know what, I will come back after I check my kernel version |
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| 16:38.52 | Catachan | sorry, lol! |
| 16:39.04 | MrMary | would debian cover all that |
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| 16:39.09 | GoAuLd | yeah |
| 16:39.12 | hark | Catachan: if on etch, all you need to get is the firmware |
| 16:39.14 | msingh | Bracki, p2p? how on debian? |
| 16:39.14 | GoAuLd | of course |
| 16:39.26 | nail` | yes, but it will be a bit harder to configure |
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| 16:39.32 | nail` | try ubuntu first |
| 16:39.36 | GoAuLd | debian and ubuntu and good choices |
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| 16:39.42 | MrMary | ok |
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| 16:39.53 | nail` | than you can switch to debian when you'll need a custom system |
| 16:39.57 | GoAuLd | gentoo is good as well but its more comples and for geeks |
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| 16:40.19 | MrMary | gentoo is for geeks? |
| 16:40.33 | msingh | yes, stay away from them |
| 16:40.39 | cydork | !gentoomatic |
| 16:40.40 | dpkg | gentoomatic is probably http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/gentoo.txt |
| 16:40.49 | MrMary | lol |
| 16:40.53 | MrMary | why the geekyness |
| 16:41.00 | nail` | debian can be for geeks too |
| 16:41.10 | nail` | it depends on how time you've to spend on linux :) |
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| 16:41.22 | nail` | how much |
| 16:41.46 | msingh | debian geeks are just as bad |
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| 16:42.00 | GoAuLd | gentoo is suposed to be for people who know their hardware well, and want a full customized and optimized system |
| 16:42.16 | VImtermute | oy |
| 16:42.22 | VImtermute | GoAuLd, funroll-loops.org |
| 16:42.26 | dual-man | is there a possibility that something running on my server could keep my iptables from running properly? |
| 16:42.26 | Bracki | msingh: how about apt-get install bittorrent? |
| 16:42.27 | VImtermute | :> |
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| 16:42.55 | msingh | Bracki, i want mp3s not movies that wont even work under linux |
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| 16:45.31 | nail` | http://www.bash.org/?734797 |
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| 16:46.48 | msingh | nail`, heard it before. |
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| 16:48.23 | dkr | msingh: all movies work under linux, :) |
| 16:48.45 | MrMary | :-D |
| 16:48.49 | bragon | dpkg ;-) (for the link you are paste before) |
| 16:48.49 | dpkg | bragon: what are you talking about? |
| 16:48.54 | Einsteinium | that's a pretty broad statement |
| 16:49.51 | dkr | granted, not all codecs work *well* :) |
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| 16:50.58 | GoAuLd | i have a question about fsck ran at boot time |
| 16:51.35 | GoAuLd | it always say something like "Checking.. Filesystem is clean" |
| 16:51.49 | GoAuLd | sometimes "Filesystem is NOT clean" |
| 16:52.06 | Einsteinium | What is the question |
| 16:52.11 | GoAuLd | anyway a few days ago i got a "Filesystem is NOT clean" |
| 16:52.20 | GoAuLd | but the fsck didnt fix the errors |
| 16:52.25 | Einsteinium | run it now |
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| 16:52.31 | GoAuLd | now its fixed |
| 16:52.44 | GoAuLd | i had to boot with a live cd and do it from there |
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| 16:52.55 | Einsteinium | depending on what options are tossed at fsck on boot, it may not be set to automatically fix errors |
| 16:52.58 | GoAuLd | fixed with --rebuildtree |
| 16:53.42 | GoAuLd | but, it never do a full fsck on boot, only a small check of 3 seconds and after that it indicates is filesystem is clean or not |
| 16:53.53 | GoAuLd | and continues booting |
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| 16:54.12 | wols | GoAuLd: I still don't see any "?" |
| 16:54.16 | Einsteinium | indeed |
| 16:54.21 | Einsteinium | Do you want a full scan? |
| 16:54.26 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 16:54.35 | GoAuLd | if system not clean, do a full scan |
| 16:54.50 | GoAuLd | on boot, i though that was the pattern |
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| 16:55.52 | wols | do we have to tell you about the maning of "?"? |
| 16:55.56 | GoAuLd | maybe is it becouse my kernel lacks the initrd? |
| 16:55.59 | wols | cause I still don't see any |
| 16:56.10 | Einsteinium | are you running debian |
| 16:56.21 | wols | what do you mean with "is it" ? |
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| 16:56.33 | x_link | d |
| 16:56.41 | Einsteinium | e |
| 16:57.34 | wols | there are two possibilities why you get a fsck on boot |
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| 16:57.36 | GoAuLd | yes im running debian |
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| 16:57.52 | wols | either the fs was not clean (crash, powerloss, "the cat ate the cable", etc) |
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| 16:58.10 | GoAuLd | that was it, a powerloss |
| 16:58.18 | wols | or a certain number of bootups happened after which the fs is set the do a "maintentance fsck" automatically |
| 16:58.18 | Einsteinium | wols: I had a cat eat a cable once |
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| 16:58.32 | Einsteinium | couldn't figure out why my keyboard wasn't responding |
| 16:58.40 | Einsteinium | chewed through the shield and grounded it out |
| 16:58.54 | wols | Einsteinium: I recently saw a pic where someone put ALL his computer cables inside special plastic tubes to pretect them from his cats |
| 16:58.58 | wols | looked kinda funny |
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| 16:59.06 | Einsteinium | Yah |
| 16:59.07 | Assid | heya |
| 16:59.14 | Assid | im having a very weird issue |
| 16:59.23 | wols | the pic was in response to a bunny eating cables, tassels, etc |
| 16:59.25 | Assid | /bin/mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/backups/backupdrive/backups/ila/20070321': No space left on device |
| 16:59.26 | Assid | / |
| 16:59.36 | Einsteinium | What's the problem |
| 16:59.37 | Assid | but theres tons of space |
| 16:59.40 | Einsteinium | that's pretty self explanatory |
| 16:59.43 | Einsteinium | run fsck |
| 16:59.49 | Einsteinium | perhaps you have an error in free space reporting |
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| 17:01.49 | Assid | well.. its a 300GB drive.. df shows the correct usage |
| 17:01.56 | Assid | dont see why it should have an issue honeslty |
| 17:02.23 | Einsteinium | again, perhaps you have an error in free space reporting |
| 17:02.24 | Einsteinium | run fsck |
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| 17:02.37 | Einsteinium | is it partitioned |
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| 17:03.22 | nvz | Assid: show the full output of df -th and cat /etc/mtab in a pastebin |
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| 17:03.28 | nvz | Assid: df -Th that is |
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| 17:05.02 | Assid | yeah ive got some backups there |
| 17:05.07 | Assid | one sec |
| 17:05.17 | FlopsyPete | whats the program that installs .debs, that hooks into the browser so you can click on them on the web and get a dialog to install rather than download, please? |
| 17:05.23 | Assid | http://pastebin.ca/405255 |
| 17:05.41 | nvz | FlopsyPete: sounds cool but I've never heard of it. |
| 17:05.49 | Assid | i unmounted one of the mounts that links in /home/backups/backupdrive |
| 17:06.03 | Assid | that just mounts /dev/hdd5 |
| 17:06.05 | petemc | FlopsyPete: file roller? |
| 17:06.06 | nvz | FlopsyPete: you could tell the browser to run gksu dpkg -i or whatever for that file tipe |
| 17:06.09 | petemc | thats a guess// |
| 17:06.12 | FlopsyPete | nvz: ubuntu have it as part of their default desktop install; I believe I;ve seen it in debian but can;t remember it |
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| 17:06.22 | FlopsyPete | petemc: no, not that |
| 17:06.37 | Danielss89 | ive installed postfix and squirrelmail, but how do i add users and emails.. |
| 17:06.39 | nvz | FlopsyPete: in debian we generally just add an apt-source for the site and use our normal package tools |
| 17:06.49 | wols | Danielss89: you need an imap server |
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| 17:07.07 | wols | Danielss89: and the users are at least by default, your system users (the one sin /etc/passwd) |
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| 17:07.18 | petemc | Danielss89: squirrelmail needs an imapd too, no? |
| 17:07.19 | Danielss89 | apt-get install imap |
| 17:07.22 | FlopsyPete | nvz: not everyone offers the ability to connect to them as an apt source. I want an easy mnethod that works for lots of non-literate users |
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| 17:07.35 | Xteven | hi there, I have a question about mrtg, but it seems there is no #mrtg. any idea where I can find developers of mrtg ? |
| 17:07.44 | wols | Danielss89: no! |
| 17:07.48 | nvz | FlopsyPete: non-literate users shouldnt be installing ANYTHING much less 3rd party packages off random sites |
| 17:07.58 | wols | Danielss89: youse courier-imap dovecot |
| 17:08.03 | Xteven | or maybe someone here can tell me if there is a java applet I can use to render mrtg data ? |
| 17:08.05 | wols | not just imap which is probably uw-imapd |
| 17:08.06 | FlopsyPete | Danielss89: have you seen this; http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 17:08.13 | nvz | FlopsyPete: it would be easiy to jhust associate the file type and make it fire up gksu synaptic or something |
| 17:08.20 | Assid | nvz, Einsteinium any idea on that paste? |
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| 17:09.01 | FlopsyPete | nvz: get real, home users don't have any support, who are we to say what they can and can;t do, we can recommend a strategy but I think they should have the most usable system they can |
| 17:09.28 | FlopsyPete | nvx: but there's a great tool for it that provides a nice UI, I just forgot the package name |
| 17:09.33 | Einsteinium | Assid: did you run fsck |
| 17:09.42 | Danielss89 | hmm theyre already installed wols.. |
| 17:09.48 | Danielss89 | i just saw |
| 17:09.49 | Assid | yeah but it got over super fast |
| 17:09.50 | Assid | weird |
| 17:10.14 | Assid | fsck -C /dev/hdd5 |
| 17:10.15 | nvz | Assid: not enough info.. mtab would have been to rule out and strange descrepencies.. in any case its mounted on /mnt and you are talking about something in /home so I am gonna need clarification with full permissons on any symlinks |
| 17:10.25 | wols | Danielss89: then you need to config them properly. especially postfix to deliver to the imap server |
| 17:10.35 | Assid | nvz : i have /home/backups/backupdrive which mounts /dev/hdd5 |
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| 17:10.47 | Danielss89 | how do i check if it dont already do that wols?? |
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| 17:11.20 | nvz | Assid: all your filesystems seem to have more than 50% availablity so thats obviously not the problem |
| 17:11.31 | Assid | nvz: http://pastebin.ca/405273 there |
| 17:11.34 | Assid | remounted them |
| 17:11.42 | nvz | Assid: also you need to consider reserved blocks on that ext3 filesystem |
| 17:12.06 | Assid | nvz: yeah but reserved shouldnt stop me from creating a new directory |
| 17:12.16 | nvz | Assid: I doubt you choose to reserve 50% of a backup drive, personally I dont use reserved blocks on a backup drive at all |
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| 17:12.45 | Assid | Reserved blocks uid: 0 (user root) |
| 17:12.46 | Assid | Reserved blocks gid: 0 (group root) |
| 17:12.48 | valdyn | Assid: run df -i |
| 17:13.01 | valdyn | Assid: and paste.. |
| 17:13.23 | Assid | http://pastebin.ca/405275 |
| 17:13.28 | FlopsyPete | nvz: the package I was after is gdebi |
| 17:13.29 | valdyn | Assid: you are using hardlinks for incremental backups i assume? |
| 17:13.30 | Assid | IUse says 100% |
| 17:13.36 | valdyn | Assid: so that disk is full |
| 17:13.37 | nvz | FlopsyPete: cool |
| 17:13.50 | Assid | they arent incremental.. snapshots |
| 17:13.54 | Einsteinium | every last bit of it |
| 17:14.02 | Assid | what?? 100% of what? |
| 17:14.07 | Assid | only 109GB used |
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| 17:14.21 | valdyn | Assid: yea, whatever, they are using hardlinks for unchanged files |
| 17:14.26 | valdyn | !inode |
| 17:14.26 | dpkg | i guess inode is a filesystem entry: a file, a directory, or some other item |
| 17:14.36 | Assid | okay how do i increase that |
| 17:14.40 | valdyn | Assid: ext3 is the wrong filesystem for your purpose |
| 17:14.47 | valdyn | Assid: you cant do that afaik |
| 17:15.01 | Assid | err.. so what do i do |
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| 17:15.29 | nvz | me either |
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| 17:15.34 | nvz | I am taking notes though :P |
| 17:15.39 | Assid | hehehe |
| 17:15.50 | Assid | well so long as my case helps someone |
| 17:15.53 | valdyn | Assid: ext3 is not the right fs for this.. use something else like reiserfs or another fs that has no static inode table |
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| 17:16.13 | Assid | ext2 ? |
| 17:16.13 | valdyn | Assid: or static number of inodes, i have no idea which layout ext3 has.. |
| 17:16.19 | valdyn | Assid: no, ext2 is the same |
| 17:16.27 | Assid | crap |
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| 17:16.33 | Assid | can i increase thenumber of inodes? |
| 17:16.35 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:16.39 | jelly | ext2/3 have static inode number afaik |
| 17:16.49 | jelly | Assid: only at mkfs time I think |
| 17:16.55 | HardDisk_WP | i have a bucnh of mp3s starting with a . like ". Enya-Only time.mp3" |
| 17:17.04 | HardDisk_WP | how can i remove the trailing dot?? |
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| 17:17.11 | nvz | tune2fs would be where you could change it if it were possible I imagine |
| 17:17.12 | valdyn | Assid: you can create an ext3 fs with a higher inode number from the start.. but you should just not use ext for this |
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| 17:17.25 | Assid | okay what do you suggest |
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| 17:17.36 | valdyn | Assid: its not only running out of inodes but wasting huge amounts of space for each hardlink |
| 17:17.42 | nvz | I wasnt aware that you could run out of space on number of files and still have more than 50% space free |
| 17:17.48 | jelly | valdyn: what would you use, that is tested and stable on Linux? |
| 17:17.56 | valdyn | jelly: reiserfs |
| 17:17.58 | Assid | nvz: news to me too man.. can you imagine that |
| 17:18.06 | Assid | reiser huh |
| 17:18.09 | Assid | crap |
| 17:18.10 | jelly | valdyn: I don't trust reiserfs v3 any more. |
| 17:18.17 | Assid | anymore ? |
| 17:18.23 | Assid | okay thats a scary line to read |
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| 17:18.28 | jelly | Assid: had some bad experience. ;-) |
| 17:18.36 | nvz | I've heard enough reiser horror stories myself |
| 17:18.46 | valdyn | jelly: all fs can potentially break data except ext in ordered data journaling mode, afaik |
| 17:19.00 | valdyn | jelly: unfortunately that mode for reiserfs is not maintained.. |
| 17:19.12 | jelly | valdyn: other fs have at least _somewhat_ working fscks |
| 17:19.24 | Assid | okay so im stuck with choosing reiser which may go bad.. and ext which has a limitation |
| 17:19.32 | Assid | should i simply load up fat? |
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| 17:19.36 | nvz | heh |
| 17:19.39 | valdyn | jelly: maybe, i never used it |
| 17:19.40 | jelly | Assid: how many hardlink do you need? |
| 17:19.54 | Assid | i dont know?!?!? 280GB of data worth ? |
| 17:19.58 | Assid | hehe |
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| 17:20.18 | valdyn | Assid: you _need_ a fs with unlimited inode number, google will probably know |
| 17:20.27 | jelly | Assid: can you pastebin your df -i ? |
| 17:20.27 | Ankman | is e a life after kernel panic? |
| 17:20.36 | Ankman | crap, just crashed |
| 17:20.40 | nvz | jelly: he did http://pastebin.ca/405275 |
| 17:20.45 | jelly | nvz: thanks |
| 17:20.51 | Assid | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/405275 |
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| 17:21.01 | jelly | how large is that hdd5? |
| 17:21.01 | evilbulgarian | join anyone know off hand the tar option for it not to decend into other file systems / partitions |
| 17:21.08 | nvz | jelly: 299 (300GB |
| 17:21.18 | nvz | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/405273 |
| 17:21.25 | nvz | jelly: thats df -Th |
| 17:21.48 | jelly | nvz: it's a pebcak, mke2fs by default creates _a lot more_ inodes |
| 17:22.05 | Assid | i didnt do anything :( |
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| 17:22.10 | nvz | heh |
| 17:22.16 | jelly | 300k for a 300GB partition is way too little |
| 17:22.37 | jelly | Assid: did you perhaps resize a smaller partition to that size? |
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| 17:23.04 | valdyn | wow i totally didn't lok at his fucked up total number of inodes |
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| 17:23.26 | valdyn | i'd run out of those after one backup of my maildir ( or earlier .. ) |
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| 17:24.02 | Assid | jelly that would mess my backup plans :( |
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| 17:24.40 | jelly | Assid: I'd backup, mke2fs from scratch, and put back the files. You should have enough inodes to fill the fs with lots of 4096b sized files by default |
| 17:24.51 | valdyn | Assid: copy your data to a new disk with a proper partition, this one is broken as by its number of inodes |
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| 17:25.23 | valdyn | Assid: ext3 should be ok for your relatively big files i guess |
| 17:25.32 | jelly | Assid: eg. I have 6311872 inodes on a 50GB ext3 |
| 17:26.17 | jelly | that's about 1 inode / 8KB |
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| 17:29.58 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 17:29.59 | jelly | Assid: heh. you could even do it with a single disk: shrink this partition, format another one on unused space _with a decent number of inodes_, then copy over all the files, remove the current partition and grow the copy. ;-) |
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| 17:30.11 | StarWars | hi all |
| 17:30.14 | dazjorz | Oh, oops, forgot I switched to ubuntu a while ago. :) |
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| 17:30.58 | jelly | Assid: I do not recommend this approach, but it's a possibility ;-) |
| 17:33.20 | nail` | my system is hanging at boot without kernel panic messages |
| 17:33.22 | nail` | what can i try ? |
| 17:33.46 | valdyn | nail`: what's the last text output ? |
| 17:34.05 | nail` | before the last recompile "Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM" |
| 17:34.16 | nail` | i've excluded ip multicast |
| 17:34.20 | valdyn | nail`: what? |
| 17:34.26 | valdyn | nail`: when its hanging, what's the last output |
| 17:34.46 | nail` | valdyn |
| 17:34.58 | nail` | before the last recompile the last message was "Linux IP multicast router 0.06 plus PIM-SM" |
| 17:35.13 | nail` | now i've recompiled the kernel excluding ip multicast module |
| 17:35.21 | valdyn | nail`: i dont care about your recompile, what is the last line on your screen when it is hanging |
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| 17:35.53 | nail` | GRE over IPv4 tunneling driver |
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| 17:36.29 | nail` | this message was the one before Linux IP multicast router before recompile |
| 17:36.36 | nail` | so i don't think that can help |
| 17:36.58 | valdyn | nail`: why not use a debian kernel? |
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| 17:37.20 | nail` | valdyn because a normal debian 2.4 kernel boots in 10 minutes on this old 486 laptop |
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| 17:37.31 | Assid | jelly i dont mind not saving a backup |
| 17:37.33 | nail` | this one can boot in near 10 secs |
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| 17:37.43 | nail` | just for this |
| 17:37.48 | Assid | just want 1 drive |
| 17:37.54 | Assid | 1 partition rather |
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| 17:39.13 | jelly | Assid: you just need to reformat the filesystem. did you use any specific tool the last time, or just mke2fs / mkfs.ext3? |
| 17:39.50 | Assid | nope.. dont think i used anything else |
| 17:39.59 | Assid | okay you give me the cmdline to mkfs.. i use that |
| 17:40.03 | nail` | how can i know what's going wrong if the system can't boot ? |
| 17:40.13 | Assid | i just need it to do tons of my backups |
| 17:40.18 | Assid | lots of small files too |
| 17:40.24 | Assid | and lots of big files |
| 17:41.06 | Assid | i went nuts wondering why the back up didnt work.. finally rtealized got this ereror when i ran the script manually |
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| 17:42.06 | Assid | jelly: give me the mkfs.ext3 cmdline please .. whatever parameters or else you want me to add |
| 17:42.30 | jelly | Assid: mke2fs -j /dev/hdd5 should do just fine. Check df -i output after you mount it to see if that's enough inodes for your backup app. If you're doing some kind of rsync-based backup with lots of links, you might need even more. |
| 17:42.49 | nail` | valdyn are you still here ? |
| 17:43.25 | me_here | in meinem |
| 17:43.27 | me_here | hups |
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| 17:45.36 | Assid | jelly: i wont run out of blocks later right ? |
| 17:45.50 | jelly | Assid: in that case, check -N and/or -T options in the manual. adding " -T news" for example will make enough inodes to fill the partition with 4KB sized files, would be about 300.000.000 inodes in your case |
| 17:46.22 | jelly | Assid: oh, you might run out of them if you create lots of files, yes. |
| 17:46.47 | jelly | Assid: still, 50M files is a bit more than the current 300K files limit |
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| 17:47.23 | Assid | Inode count: 39075840 |
| 17:47.35 | simonrvn | mmmm, dynamic inodes |
| 17:47.49 | Assid | thats as per tune2fs |
| 17:48.07 | Assid | /dev/hdd5 39075840 11 39075829 1% /mnt/backupdrive |
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| 17:48.21 | jelly | Assid: well, that's room for 130 times more files than you had before. |
| 17:48.46 | Assid | how about blocks |
| 17:48.57 | jelly | Assid: what about blocks? |
| 17:49.07 | Assid | any kinda limit like inodes for that? |
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| 17:49.40 | jelly | Assid: well, you have 300GB/4096 of blocks, when you fill the disk up it'll be full :-) |
| 17:50.52 | Assid | okay so 39075840 inodes should be enough now you think? |
| 17:50.52 | jelly | simonrvn: give me a fs with dynamic inodes that's well tested on Linux! :-) |
| 17:50.53 | x_link | DOes anybody here get any message in there irssi window? |
| 17:51.00 | jelly | simonrvn: and that me boss will let me use :-) |
| 17:51.04 | x_link | Ending startup notification for Konsole (???) because SCREEN field was not provided; this is a bug in the launcher application |
| 17:51.08 | x_link | I get that all the time now. |
| 17:51.14 | Guerin | jelly: beerfs! |
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| 17:51.37 | jelly | Assid: that'll be enough for about 39 million files I guess :-) |
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| 17:51.55 | Assid | hope i dont run into this again |
| 17:52.07 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 17:52.12 | Assid | with these guys making word documents anythings possible |
| 17:52.52 | simonrvn | jelly: xfs; not sure about jfs |
| 17:53.19 | jelly | Assid: since you filled up 100GB with just 300K files, I guess you ought to look for mp3s and avis hidden in there, 3MB average per doc file sounds a bit high to me. Maybe. |
| 17:53.20 | Guerin | x_link: #kde |
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| 17:53.45 | Assid | oh yeah. and backups of their outlook express dbx files (huge) |
| 17:53.54 | jelly | simonrvn: mm, xfs is also friendly with snapshots I hear. |
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| 17:54.43 | chance | Hi. In using pam_wheel.so, can I specify Active Directory groups with the group option like so? group="Domain Admins" ? |
| 17:55.03 | Guerin | !pity chance |
| 17:55.04 | dpkg | I pity da fool chance! |
| 17:55.10 | chance | Guerin: ? |
| 17:55.25 | Guerin | chance: you have to use wheel AND active directory. You life is *shit* |
| 17:55.38 | chance | Guerin: Please don't talk to me. |
| 17:55.50 | Guerin | chance: i wasn't, really. |
| 17:56.08 | chance | Guerin: It's clear you don't know the answer. I rather not be ridiculed. |
| 17:56.26 | Guerin | indeed I don't. |
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| 17:56.43 | musya | anybody know of a mail, pop3 channel? |
| 17:56.45 | musya | or smtp? |
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| 17:57.04 | Guerin | musya: there isn't one. You need to be more specific. |
| 17:57.18 | musya | how much more specific? |
| 17:57.26 | Guerin | !wayttd musya |
| 17:57.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, musya? |
| 17:57.56 | musya | i wanna learn about pop3 such as whats the default port that its set up to recieve on? |
| 17:58.10 | Guerin | musya: pop3 doesn't receive mail |
| 17:58.38 | Guerin | musya: it's a server which runs on 110 or 995 to which a client can connect and request mail |
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| 17:58.40 | stew | musya: port 110/tcp (getent services pop3) |
| 17:58.52 | jelly | Guerin: that's why s?he wants to learn, see! |
| 17:58.58 | me_here | pop3 is a protocol, look for smtp |
| 17:59.16 | stew | Guerin: do you think you can find it in your heart to not piss off dozens of people daily? |
| 17:59.29 | musya | isnt smtp a protocal too? |
| 17:59.35 | stew | musya: it is |
| 17:59.36 | Guerin | stew: ah, piss off. |
| 17:59.44 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 17:59.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 17:59.46 | musya | so what port is it working on? |
| 17:59.54 | stew | musya: "getent services smtp" |
| 17:59.56 | Kevin` | smtp is 25 |
| 17:59.57 | Guerin | musya: that ↑ probably tells you much of what you need to know |
| 18:01.08 | stew | Guerin: seriously. can't you just refrain from comments like "your life is shit" and keep things constructive? |
| 18:01.08 | musya | Kevin`, ok thanks ill look for pop3 |
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| 18:01.08 | Guerin | stew: it's lighthearted banter, I can't be held responsible if people take themselves too seriously. |
| 18:01.09 | Kevin` | musya what are you looking to do? |
| 18:01.41 | stew | Guerin: i can be held responsible instead if you prefer |
| 18:01.41 | Guerin | stew: no, you can't. |
| 18:01.42 | chance | stew: Best to ignore trolls. |
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| 18:01.56 | chance | If anyone is interested the answer to my question was yes according to #samba. |
| 18:02.21 | musya | well i got a client whos had a pager service working off of a subdomain and we need to get more info from the previous hosters, but im trying to make it work, because all we got is an ip address and its sending emails so i need to try and put a port in for pop3 |
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| 18:02.34 | stew | Guerin: well what you consider "lighthearted banter" seems to offend lots. so please cut down on the lighthearted banter |
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| 18:03.30 | chance | stew: You know how road rage escalates right? Just let it be. |
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| 18:04.48 | Assid | jelly, nvz thanks |
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| 18:05.10 | FJ_Sanchez | One question, how can I ignore the .xsession file of each user? |
| 18:05.17 | FJ_Sanchez | I don't want this file gets exec |
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| 18:05.24 | torrr | where is the locale configured? |
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| 18:06.38 | wols | torrr: /etc/default/locale |
| 18:06.51 | wols | grep -r LANG /etc/* |
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| 18:08.07 | jelly | (locale) or /etc/environment in sarge, right? |
| 18:09.26 | Assid | jelly: would you know if its possible to have some kind of multi threading ftp connection where it take 2-3 connections to the ftp server and downloads seperate directories to be all in synch |
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| 18:09.55 | wols | there are clients which can open multiple connections yes |
| 18:09.55 | stew | sparrw: please turn off whatever caused that CTCP |
| 18:10.12 | sparrw | stew: my hands? |
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| 18:10.20 | schme | Yes, turn them off. |
| 18:10.27 | Assid | wols: so if i say i want / it will open multiple connections and synch them all ? |
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| 18:10.34 | Stephaknee | Hey boys. |
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| 18:10.36 | stew | sparrw: if you did that on purpose, please don't |
| 18:10.38 | rikkus | hi |
| 18:10.49 | sparrw | stew: why not? |
| 18:10.49 | wols | Assid: afaik yes. check ftp manpage |
| 18:10.51 | jelly | Assid: no idea... lftp's pget command can do that for a single file though |
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| 18:11.33 | jelly | --- Received a CTCP AVATAR from sparrw (to #debian) |
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| 18:11.39 | rikkus | I got these errors doing apt-get update: http://rafb.net/p/87ibNM22.html - it tells me to run apt-get update to correct the problems, but they appear every time I run it. Any idea why? |
| 18:11.43 | Stephaknee | I have a skype package that I was using before I upgraded to testing. Apparently apt-get is wanting to keep it removed over an imaginary dependancy (libqt3c102-mt, which has been replaced with libqt3-mt). How can i get it to ignore that? |
| 18:11.45 | stew | sparrw: becuase it annoys people |
| 18:11.56 | Assid | wols standard ftp doesnt do that.. |
| 18:12.14 | sparrw | stew: seems like a poor reason... asking stupid questions annoys people too |
| 18:12.27 | Assid | jelly: want it to make 2-3 connections and each connection goes into 1 directory and downloads |
| 18:12.30 | wols | Assid: of course tnot. but who uses that? |
| 18:12.30 | jelly | sparrw: just don't use that option, please |
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| 18:12.36 | wols | I mean even ncftp is ancient |
| 18:12.41 | sparrw | jelly: option? |
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| 18:12.55 | Stephaknee | anyone? |
| 18:13.05 | jelly | sparrw: whatever your client did to cause --- Received a CTCP AVATAR from sparrw (to #debian) |
| 18:13.15 | Assid | wols: since there are tons of small files as well.. multiple connections would be much faster |
| 18:13.19 | stew | sparrw: not being annoying is something you should strive for in here |
| 18:13.20 | sparrw | jelly: that would be me typing "/ctcp #debian AVATAR" |
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| 18:13.31 | jelly | sparrw: so don't |
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| 18:13.57 | sparrw | jelly: is there some alternative? |
| 18:14.13 | stew | sparrw: the alternative is not typing "/ctcp #debian AVATAR" |
| 18:14.16 | jelly | Assid: lftp can do multiple connections with no problem |
| 18:14.23 | sparrw | stew: i mean an alternative way to get people's avatars |
| 18:14.34 | stew | sparrw: no |
| 18:14.44 | ironfroggy | can i use sudo to allow one specific user to execute commands as one specific other user, without a password prompt? |
| 18:14.50 | Assid | jelly: but will it do multiple directories on its own? |
| 18:14.57 | wols | sparrw: let's just say ctcp-ing whole channels is usually seen as very unfriendly with often immediate consequences in some channels. |
| 18:15.08 | wols | haven't seen a channel where it was a good idea yet |
| 18:15.11 | Assid | i want the whole / on the remote ftp.. i need this to connect and get it as quick as possible |
| 18:15.16 | jelly | sparrw: I've been using irc happily for 12 years without avatars, I think they're optional. |
| 18:15.19 | wols | Assid: yes it can do recursige gets |
| 18:15.25 | sparrw | jelly: they are |
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| 18:15.42 | sparrw | wols: im well aware of that |
| 18:15.42 | wols | jelly: ctcp is optional |
| 18:15.55 | sparrw | privmsg is optional, but you wont accomplish much |
| 18:16.06 | stew | sparrw: please drop it. don't do it again. and move on |
| 18:16.17 | Assid | wols: and it will automatically do multiople connections to get me a final synch? |
| 18:16.18 | jelly | Assid: no idea if its mirror command has that feature |
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| 18:16.37 | wols | Assid: not automatically |
| 18:16.47 | sparrw | stew: you, and wols, make the assumption that the consequences make it not worthwhile |
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| 18:16.57 | jelly | Assid: oh, it has. Usage: mirror [OPTS] [remote [local]] [...] -P, --parallel[=N] download N files in parallel |
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| 18:17.16 | Assid | hrmm |
| 18:17.18 | Assid | time to try it |
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| 18:17.40 | drraid | dmesg says my serial port is bound to ttyS01, when the driver loads up... I have no node for that in my /dev/ directory; i only have the ttyS0 - ttyS4 -- can I just make a node to replace this? |
| 18:18.07 | valdyn | drraid: is udev installed? |
| 18:18.07 | drraid | Or is there some special process I have to go thru to actually bind it to the appropriate serial port?/ |
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| 18:18.22 | drraid | valdyn i dont think so.. udev is 2.6 or newer right? |
| 18:18.22 | valdyn | drraid: no, no such thing |
| 18:18.33 | valdyn | drraid: yea |
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| 18:18.49 | Stephaknee | so did anyone see my question through all the stupidity that was occuring at the time? |
| 18:18.52 | drraid | Im on 2.4; is udev required for this? |
| 18:18.56 | valdyn | drraid: how about devfs? |
| 18:19.02 | Stephaknee | when you guys were all yelling at sparrw :p |
| 18:19.08 | drraid | valdyn i believe so, brb ill verify |
| 18:19.16 | valdyn | drraid: its not required, but udev makes 'jsut creating a device node' the wrong solution |
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| 18:19.31 | drraid | valdyn: devfs is installed |
| 18:19.39 | jelly | Stephaknee: skype-beta package might have a bit saner dependencies |
| 18:19.40 | valdyn | drraid: ok, i don't know about it |
| 18:19.52 | Catachan | can I use the apt-get program to upgrade my kernel image? |
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| 18:20.02 | valdyn | drraid: you can just create the node, see for yourself if it persists accross reboots |
| 18:20.02 | drraid | ahh snap. If i were to boot into a 2.6 kernel, with udev, would that yield me an advantage? |
| 18:20.05 | stew | Stephaknee: you need to get a skype package which was actually compiled for your system and has the correct dependencies. the dependency on libqt3c103-mt is not imaginary |
| 18:20.19 | stew | Catachan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:20.26 | Stephaknee | stew: ok. |
| 18:20.29 | Catachan | etch |
| 18:20.30 | jelly | stew: it is, munging the control file makes it work too. |
| 18:20.34 | Catachan | the current testing |
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| 18:20.39 | stew | Catachan: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 18:20.52 | stew | jelly: its not imaginary. it actually required qt |
| 18:21.01 | stew | (afaik, i've never installed it) |
| 18:21.02 | valdyn | Stephaknee: you can trick, run alien -totgz on that.deb, run alien -todeb on that tar.gz or tgz file |
| 18:21.07 | Catachan | thanks! |
| 18:21.11 | jelly | stew: but it worked with newer libqt3-mt too. |
| 18:21.15 | valdyn | Stephaknee: result is a deb stripped off all dependency information |
| 18:21.36 | Stephaknee | valdyn: HMM. |
| 18:21.43 | valdyn | Stephaknee: actually, -to-tgz |
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| 18:22.27 | valdyn | Stephaknee: after taht, apt-get wont 'alert' you if you remove packages that skype needs, but that's not a big deal in itself.. |
| 18:23.01 | MadDwarf | hi. I have given up on NWN for now, and am trying to install KDE. When I apt-get install kde, I get lots of 404 errors from my mirror (deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free). Is there another mirror i should use? or a different solution? |
| 18:23.51 | valdyn | MadDwarf: did you run apt-get update ? |
| 18:23.53 | jelly | Stephaknee: have you downloaded from http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb ? |
| 18:24.05 | MadDwarf | valdyn: yes, i did run apt-get update |
| 18:24.13 | jelly | Stephaknee: it has an updated Depends: libqt3-mt | libqt3c102-mt |
| 18:24.15 | valdyn | MadDwarf: ok, use a different mirror |
| 18:24.25 | Stephaknee | jelly: i downloaded it a long time ago |
| 18:24.37 | MadDwarf | is there a suggested mirror? |
| 18:24.40 | jelly | Stephaknee: well, there's a newer version. |
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| 18:25.00 | Stephaknee | jelly: ok, cool |
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| 18:25.43 | angor | I just installed Sarge on my P4 with 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:25.49 | angor | should i upgrade my kernel to 2.6.x? |
| 18:26.00 | angor | actually, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 is in the reps |
| 18:26.40 | stew | angor: use kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 not -2-686 |
| 18:26.52 | Assid | jelly: looks good ? lftp mirror -P=4 -n=2 / /backupdir -u backups,backuppass 192.168.1.2 |
| 18:26.55 | MadDwarf | valdyn: is there a reccomended mirror? |
| 18:27.11 | angor | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 18:27.21 | jelly | Assid: No idea, I use it interactively |
| 18:27.28 | angor | the latest stable is 2.6.20 tho, why that kernel is not on the reps? |
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| 18:27.46 | stew | angor: becuase 2.6.20 didn't exist when sarge was frozen 2 years ago |
| 18:27.48 | valdyn | !mirror |
| 18:27.54 | valdyn | !debian mirrors |
| 18:27.54 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 18:27.59 | angor | is it recommended to go 2.6.20 anyways? |
| 18:28.02 | angor | or should i stick with the repo one? |
| 18:28.03 | stew | angor: no |
| 18:28.23 | valdyn | MadDwarf: not really, often it depends on your location, which one is good and which one is not |
| 18:28.25 | stew | angor: unless you have some newer hardware not supported by 2.6.8, just use 2.6.8 |
| 18:28.30 | angor | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 18:28.36 | stew | !mirror is <reply> see mirrors |
| 18:28.36 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:28.53 | valdyn | MadDwarf: mirrors like kernel.org will hardly go offline, but since debian is not commercial, i doubt there's a guarantee on any mirror |
| 18:28.55 | angor | is that the right way to upgrade it? |
| 18:29.02 | stew | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:29.03 | dpkg | To install Linux 2.6 in Sarge, run # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH; but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific CPU. If you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <386> or <k7> etc. If you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf. This does not *upgrade* Linux, it keeps Linux 2.4. |
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| 18:29.24 | stew | !factinfo sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:29.24 | dpkg | sarge upgrade kernel -- last modified at Wed Nov 29 17:15:52 2006 by chealer!~chealer@ip216-239-78-188.vif.net; it has been requested 43 times, last by stew, 22s ago. |
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| 18:29.28 | angor | thanks a lot. |
| 18:29.32 | Catachan | okay, it looks like 2.6.20 is not in the apt repository, so, that means I need to build and install it myself right? |
| 18:29.34 | caracremada | MacDwarf: you can choose here: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:29.42 | MadDwarf | ok thnx. I did try a diff. mirror but ran into "public key" problems - have not looked how to solve that yet |
| 18:29.48 | stew | why did cheal add the last two sentences? |
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| 18:30.01 | valdyn | MadDwarf: or if you access the net via your college, then that is probably the best mirror... |
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| 18:30.08 | Caelum | any way to make swf-player work with youtube? |
| 18:30.34 | valdyn | Caelum: you read that it's supposed to work? |
| 18:30.37 | stew | !sarge upgrade kernel =~ s#This does not *upgrade* Linux, it keeps Linux 2.4.## |
| 18:30.38 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'This does not *upgrade* Linux, it keeps Linux 2.4.', stew |
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| 18:31.03 | MadDwarf | I access from home. no idea why ox.ac.uk gives me 404, or which mirror might work? |
| 18:31.06 | Caelum | valdyn: no, just curious... since there's no adobe flash for amd64 |
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| 18:31.35 | valdyn | Caelum: anyway, only the development tree has youtube support, you would have to compile that yourself |
| 18:31.35 | valdyn | Caelum: or your youtube-dl |
| 18:31.42 | caracremada | McDwarf: gui-apt-key will sort that out |
| 18:31.43 | valdyn | Caelum: or _use_ youtube-dl |
| 18:32.22 | stew | MadDwarf: try ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 18:32.33 | stew | MadDwarf: assuming you have run apt-get update |
| 18:32.42 | Caelum | valdyn: I noticed the version of swfdec in debian is really old... 0.3.6 while the website has 0.4.2. I'll try it, thank you! |
| 18:32.52 | Caelum | valdyn: thanks for the hint about youtube-dl |
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| 18:33.31 | stew | MadDwarf: oh if you are getting a "public key not found" from official mirrors (like ftp.uk.debian.org) but not from the one you are using, that is a pretty good indication that your mirror is not up to date. |
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| 18:33.49 | MadDwarf | stew: yes. i run apt-get update each time i change the sources list |
| 18:34.06 | torrr | does passive ftp allow only one client for each passsive port? |
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| 18:34.28 | caracremada | McDwarf: actually the mirror is: mirror.ox.ac.uk |
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| 18:34.58 | Caelum | torrr: no, more than that |
| 18:35.14 | MadDwarf | deb http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:35.14 | MadDwarf | deb-src http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:35.14 | MadDwarf | These are my current mirrors |
| 18:35.23 | kjxxxx | Compile tulip.c by executing "make" command at the prompt. The following command will be executed. I went to the directory with the files and type make at the terminal. It supposed to execute the following command: "gcc -DCARDBUS -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c tulip.c \ -o tulip_cb.o -I/usr/src/linux/pcmcia-cs-3.1.19/include \ -I/usr/src/linux/include". It came back with the following message, "nothing to be |
| 18:36.14 | abrotman | why would you compile tulip.c ? |
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| 18:37.06 | kjxxxx | because the ethernet card is not being recognized but it's not exactly tulip.c |
| 18:37.13 | MadDwarf | ok, my entry for ftp.debian.org doesn't work: malformed line. can someone tell me the problem please? it looks right to me: |
| 18:37.17 | MadDwarf | deb ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 18:38.09 | Caelum | kjxxxx: delete the tulip_cb.ko first ? |
| 18:38.55 | caracremada | MadDwarf: you need http:// in front of ftp |
| 18:38.58 | kjxxxx | abrotman: It's not tulip that we want to compile its tulip_cb |
| 18:39.03 | wols | MadDwarf: ftp://ftp.uk... |
| 18:39.29 | kjxxxx | its one of the 5 files that I am compiling for the ethernet card |
| 18:39.41 | MadDwarf | d'oh! thnx |
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| 18:40.01 | torrr | Caelum, so one needs only one passive port? |
| 18:40.08 | angor | 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Tue Dec 5 21:26:38 |
| 18:40.10 | angor | kernel upgraded. |
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| 18:40.53 | MadDwarf | aha! ftp.debian.org seems to have the missing files! wonderful help, thanx! |
| 18:41.25 | MadDwarf | now to reboot X to test if I actaully have KDE! brb |
| 18:41.55 | kjxxxx | abrotman: What is it looking for in: /usr/src/linux/pcmcia-cs-3.1.19/include |
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| 18:42.39 | kjxxxx | especially since I have n such dir and the one I created is empty |
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| 18:45.21 | abrotman | what exactly is it ? |
| 18:46.03 | MadDwarf | ok, kde seems installed, but it cannot find screen " " |
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| 18:46.07 | Catachan | okay, I am trying to run make menuconfig to setup my kernel, but I get an error on the comand |
| 18:46.20 | remoteCtrl | hi i changed my video card now the mouse doesn't movees! |
| 18:46.28 | Catachan | HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep |
| 18:46.39 | Catachan | /bin/sh: gcc: command not found |
| 18:46.49 | Catachan | how do I fix this? |
| 18:47.08 | stew | !b-e Catachan |
| 18:47.08 | dpkg | Catachan: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 18:47.59 | Catachan | I think you are right, I just found a thread in the forum about how to do this |
| 18:48.01 | Catachan | thanks! |
| 18:48.25 | angor | the latest OpenSSH version is not available, is it suggested to build it from source or the latest for sarge is just fine? |
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| 18:48.49 | remoteCtrl | hi i changed my video card now the mouse doesn't movees! |
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| 18:49.45 | stew | angor: the latest from sarge is fine unless you need some new feature that sarge doesn't have (provided you have a security.debian.org line in /etc/apt/sources.list) |
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| 18:50.37 | angor | OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.6, OpenSSL 0.9.7e 25 Oct 2004 |
| 18:50.47 | stew | !info ssh sarge |
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| 18:50.54 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.6 (sarge), Packaged size: 672 kB, Installed size: 1656 kB |
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| 18:51.06 | MadDwarf | ok, enough for today. thanx for all your help. will be back later, if i don;t throw my box out of the window 1st ... |
| 18:51.13 | stew | angor: yes. it appears you have the latest security fixes |
| 18:51.45 | subopt | I've got a partition that's mostly empty, and i'd like to split it into 2 partitions. How do i ensure the data's packed into the bounds half of it before i do the split? |
| 18:52.12 | subopt | bounds _of_ half, rather |
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| 18:53.44 | sparrw | stew: at this point its tempting to make a game of seeing how many freaky channel ops ban for channel ctcp |
| 18:54.40 | stew | sparrw: actively seeking channel bans will get you k-lined quickly |
| 18:54.47 | stew | sparrw: i'd recommend against trying to be annoying |
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| 18:55.56 | sparrw | stew: i wasnt. i was trying to get avatars, the only way it is/canbe done. but now im intrigued at this odd disposition |
| 18:56.20 | stew | sparrw: i'm not really interested. do you have any debian related questions? |
| 18:56.25 | sparrw | many |
| 18:56.38 | stew | sparrw: please keep the discussion on-topic then |
| 18:57.04 | sparrw | you, the person who started talking to me about this, are telling me its off-topic... |
| 18:57.11 | stew | sparrw: correct |
| 18:57.19 | sparrw | perhaps you should keep the discussion on-topic then |
| 18:57.21 | Assid | jelly: how do you get the parallel to work .. it doesnt work for me in cmdline |
| 18:57.26 | stew | sparrw: i am |
| 18:57.36 | stew | sparrw: its not really open for discussion, so please drop it |
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| 18:57.50 | Catachan | does anyone here have any tips for making a kernel for a laptop computer? |
| 18:58.09 | stew | Catachan: why not just use a stock debian kernel? |
| 18:58.24 | scv | ;) |
| 18:58.32 | sparrw | Catachan: safest way? compile everything you can as a module, and everything else built in. then start narrowing things down |
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| 18:59.05 | Catachan | because the stock kernel is 2.6.18 in which the ipw2200 module is broken, |
| 18:59.14 | stew | Catachan: in what way is it broken? |
| 18:59.18 | Catachan | and the 2.6.20 kernel has it fixed |
| 18:59.27 | stew | Catachan: (i'm using ipw2200 with 2.6.18 on 3 laptops here) |
| 18:59.28 | Catachan | the drivers for the wireless card don't work |
| 18:59.29 | rpmx | I tried restore only determ files from big file Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz , i tried this sentence zcat Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz | tar -tf - | grep -a one_user, I want for example return 16661.16777.domain.tlc 16667.16789.tlc this file contain email the user one_user, to then extract only files that ownner is one_user, the backup contain /home/registers_alluser/Maildir/new/* |
| 18:59.33 | sparrw | Catachan: if you know everything else works, then just 'make oldconfig' from the 2.6.18 config with the 2.6.20 kernel sources |
| 18:59.33 | Catachan | oh |
| 18:59.44 | stew | Catachan: they work for me. you'll have to be more specific than "don't work" |
| 18:59.53 | stew | Catachan: did you install firmware to /lib/firmware? |
| 19:00.01 | x_link | Should I have Load "dri" in my Section Module in xorg? |
| 19:00.07 | Catachan | stew, did you have to do anything? My laptop's wireless card is not even recognized |
| 19:00.10 | Catachan | not yet |
| 19:00.21 | stew | Catachan: i just had to put the correct firmware version in /lib/firmware |
| 19:00.28 | remoteCtrl | hi i changed my video card now the mouse doesn't movees! |
| 19:00.37 | stew | Catachan: how are you determining that it isn't recognized? |
| 19:00.39 | Catachan | so you went and replaced them with the ones from Intel, stew? |
| 19:00.57 | stew | Catachan: i didn't replace anything |
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| 19:01.31 | stew | remoteCtrl: how is the mouse connected? usb? ps2? |
| 19:01.37 | angor | when are they releasing Debian 4? |
| 19:01.40 | remoteCtrl | ps2 |
| 19:01.47 | Catachan | uhm, lets see, iwconfig, shows no wireless cards, and the network settings sees a second networking card (eth1) but neither eth0 nor eth1 are seen as wireless |
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| 19:02.16 | stew | Catachan: yeah, none of that will work until you have the correct firmware installed in /lib/firmware, then run "modprobe ipw2200" |
| 19:02.30 | Catachan | so where did you get the firmware? |
| 19:02.35 | stew | angor: "/msg dpkg wwer" basically, when the RC bug count is zero. |
| 19:02.37 | Catachan | apt-get? |
| 19:02.39 | stew | Catachan: ipw2200.sf.net |
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| 19:02.43 | Catachan | okay |
| 19:02.44 | ceegee | hello |
| 19:02.50 | stew | Catachan: its non-free, so debian cannot distrute it |
| 19:03.01 | stew | remoteCtrl: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:03.04 | Catachan | okay, |
| 19:03.05 | remoteCtrl | 2.6.18-1-686 |
| 19:03.07 | Catachan | thanks |
| 19:03.18 | stew | remoteCtrl: is the psmouse kernel module loaded? |
| 19:03.21 | ceegee | I cannot find samba-vscan stuff, its debian sarge. |
| 19:03.22 | remoteCtrl | but everything was always good now i changed my nvida tnt2 to ati radeon 9250 |
| 19:03.26 | remoteCtrl | and mouse qwon't move |
| 19:03.35 | stew | remoteCtrl: and what about the mousedev kernel module? |
| 19:03.43 | remoteCtrl | ? |
| 19:03.47 | remoteCtrl | i changed nothing |
| 19:04.00 | stew | remoteCtrl: are those two kernel modules loaded? |
| 19:04.16 | remoteCtrl | mousedev is loaded |
| 19:04.42 | stew | remoteCtrl: "modprobe psmouse" and try again. make sure both mousedev and psmouse are listed in /etc/modules |
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| 19:04.57 | remoteCtrl | also now it refuses connecting to the internet -- says kernel doesn't support ppp |
| 19:05.08 | remoteCtrl | (i'm unde rwindows to "talk") |
| 19:05.17 | remoteCtrl | ok let's trye |
| 19:05.19 | remoteCtrl | see ya |
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| 19:06.02 | amimusa | hello i have a dependency problem |
| 19:06.11 | stew | amimusa: /msg dpkg bat |
| 19:06.19 | Bracki | !bat |
| 19:06.20 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete ouptut of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run; the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste or #flood to provide us with this information. |
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| 19:07.35 | amimusa | libglib2.0-dev: Depende: libglib2.0-0 (= 2.10.2-1ubuntu3) pero está instalado 2.10.3-0ubuntu1. |
| 19:07.39 | crono- | My MRTG setup suddenly stopped working, and im not sure what was changed. The SNMP port is open but MRTG cannot connect/send data (theres no firewall) http://rafb.net/p/aGfbkO96.html any ideas? |
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| 19:07.54 | rpmx | Howto restore only determ files from big file Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz , I tried with this sentence #zcat Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz | tar -tf - | grep -a one_user Is posible that return 16661.16777.domain.tlc 16667.16789.domaintlc for example, this file contain email the user: one_user, then how I know names of files extract files that ownner is very easy. The backup is from /home/registers_alluser/Maildir/new/*, any ideas, thank you very much |
| 19:08.10 | Assid | lftp -c 'open -e "mirror --parallel=5 / $BKP_DIR" ftp://user:pass@192.168.1.2' |
| 19:08.23 | Assid | how do i make it take the $BKP_DIR variable instead? |
| 19:09.23 | stew | Assid: $BKP_DIR isn't being replaced by the variable value becuase bash is ignoring everyghing inside the single quotes, switch the outer quotes from single to double, then escape the inner double quotes |
| 19:09.29 | mezmiro | Anyone have a good article on compiling + installing the 2.6.18 kernel in Etch? |
| 19:09.37 | karsten | !k-p |
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| 19:10.06 | stew | mezmiro: do you have a good reason to compile it instead of just using a stock debian kernel? |
| 19:10.23 | karsten | !kp |
| 19:10.24 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:10.30 | karsten | mezmiro: ^^ |
| 19:10.38 | karsten | mezmiro: ... and what stew said. |
| 19:10.45 | mezmiro | I just feel like it. |
| 19:10.45 | mezmiro | :D |
| 19:10.59 | karsten | No you don't. |
| 19:11.05 | karsten | (empath does though) |
| 19:11.26 | karsten | wols: And if I like that, what does that make me? |
| 19:11.41 | wols | a sensible person of course |
| 19:13.06 | wols | mezmiro: it's just that too many people come in here with problems with their new kernel |
| 19:13.08 | Bracki | !make-kpkg |
| 19:13.08 | dpkg | it has been said that make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 19:13.17 | wols | and it's rarely really necessary to build a kernel tbh |
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| 19:13.34 | Bracki | !kp mantra |
| 19:13.34 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 19:13.45 | wols | !tell Bracki about msg the bot |
| 19:13.59 | mezmiro | onoez |
| 19:14.04 | mezmiro | Well, lets say I get the kernel image |
| 19:14.08 | karsten | mezmiro: If you must, it's best to start with a stock config (make oldconfig) and tweak jsut the settings you need to change to get your kit working, and/or remove unnecessary stuff. The days of havign to do same as a matter of course are really behind us though. |
| 19:14.17 | mezmiro | How might I install it then? |
| 19:14.22 | karsten | mezmiro: Don't let me stop you if you really want to try though. |
| 19:14.27 | mezmiro | lol |
| 19:14.31 | karsten | mezmiro: We told you that already. |
| 19:15.06 | karsten | mezmiro: If you're having this level of comprehension difficulty, while I won't stop you from trying, I'll strongly urge you not to bother us with your problems when you do encounter them. |
| 19:15.06 | mezmiro | That was compiling the kernel though o.O |
| 19:15.14 | karsten | mezmiro: It builds a package. |
| 19:15.32 | karsten | mezmiro: Hence: make-kpkg. You then install that via standard Debian tools. |
| 19:15.36 | mezmiro | ahh! |
| 19:15.43 | karsten | no. |
| 19:15.44 | karsten | apt! |
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| 19:15.59 | karsten | ducks, even. |
| 19:16.11 | mezmiro | I would like to avoid apt |
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| 19:16.12 | mezmiro | that's for sure.. |
| 19:16.16 | stew | mezmiro: why? |
| 19:16.24 | karsten | You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? |
| 19:16.27 | mezmiro | So many issues with the last kernel upgrade. |
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| 19:16.54 | karsten | mezmiro: You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong..." |
| 19:17.04 | Catachan | stew, so I need to just place the firmware for my wireless card into the lib/firmware dir? |
| 19:17.04 | eduhat | hey guys, i need some help getting my screen to 1024x768. can anyone help? |
| 19:17.09 | mezmiro | lol |
| 19:17.19 | wols | eduhat: X? |
| 19:17.25 | eduhat | wols: yea... gnome |
| 19:17.31 | karsten | !tell eduhat about drxx |
| 19:17.34 | wols | !tell eduhat about drxx |
| 19:17.37 | mezmiro | woah |
| 19:17.40 | stew | Catachan: yes. it has to be the firmware that corresponds to the driver version (which is available from "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200") |
| 19:17.54 | stew | Catachan: after that run "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 ; dmesg | tail" |
| 19:18.18 | stew | Catachan: which will remove the driver, reload it, then check the kernel messages (which should hopefully tell you your card was recognized) |
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| 19:19.31 | eduhat | allright, now how would i apply the changes... i have already saved the file and everything |
| 19:19.34 | eduhat | restart x? |
| 19:20.20 | PDani_ | hi |
| 19:20.39 | eduhat | i'll just restart the computer... but i have a few more questions |
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| 19:20.45 | eduhat | how would i delete all of kde? |
| 19:20.51 | wols | eduhat: yes |
| 19:20.58 | PDani_ | i can't find the point in the initrd of debian, where it pivot_roots to the real root filesystem... |
| 19:21.01 | wols | !delete kde |
| 19:21.10 | wols | !remove kde |
| 19:21.10 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 19:21.24 | wols | eduhat: ctrl+alt+backspace is one way to stop X |
| 19:21.47 | Catachan | okay, stew, it told me that it was unable to load firmware, "reason -2" |
| 19:21.48 | eduhat | wols: allright |
| 19:21.50 | David_BE | yeah, but i thing it will not stop gdm |
| 19:22.08 | deadcat | pull the plug |
| 19:22.16 | deadcat | or take out the laptop bat. |
| 19:22.25 | eduhat | is the command like this? aptitude purge kdelibs-datakdelibs4c2a |
| 19:22.31 | wols | no |
| 19:22.46 | wols | it shows the commandline exactly above. copy+paste it |
| 19:22.57 | deadcat | eduhat: install debfoster and run it. go through what you dont want and purge it |
| 19:23.02 | wols | if you have aptitude installed which you should |
| 19:23.18 | eduhat | wols: i do |
| 19:23.19 | Heston | just curious, what are the debian-update iso's for in http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r5/i386/iso-cd/ ? |
| 19:23.40 | wols | update isos? |
| 19:23.42 | wols | wassat? |
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| 19:24.01 | Catachan | it sayst that it failed to register the device, so, the firmware does need to go in a dir named ipw2200-fw-3.0/ in the /lib/firmware/ directory, right? |
| 19:24.05 | wols | we have etch ISOs that's all. and when you have debian already installed, you can just as well use the interweb |
| 19:24.17 | wols | !sarge->etch |
| 19:24.17 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 19:24.19 | Heston | alright, someone with half a brain please answer |
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| 19:24.55 | wols | Heston: nice way to ask for help you have there |
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| 19:25.21 | Heston | with atleast half a brian i should of said |
| 19:25.25 | wols | dkr: from his own experience he doesn't believe there exist people with more than half a brain, or they might be smarter than him |
| 19:25.28 | PDani_ | is there documentation about debian initrd? |
| 19:25.47 | stew | PDani_: for which initrd generator? |
| 19:26.04 | dkr | Heston: you were already correctly answered. The problem seems to lie on your end; in the realm of interpretation. |
| 19:26.11 | rpmx | Howto restore only determ files from big file Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz , I tried with this sentence #zcat Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz | tar -tf - | grep -a one_user Is posible that return 16661.16777.domain.tlc 16667.16789.domaintlc for example, this file contain email the user: one_user, then how I know names of files extract files that ownner is very easy. The backup is from /home/registers_alluser/Maildir/new/*, any ideas, thank you very much |
| 19:26.26 | PDani_ | stew: update-initramfs |
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| 19:26.36 | dkr | or not |
| 19:27.02 | sparrw | Is there a way to permanently disable the lack-of-signing-key errors during apt-get update? |
| 19:27.32 | Heston | dkr, no, if you took the time to look debian-update-3.1r5-i386-1.iso debian-update-3.1r5-i386-2.iso and debian-update-3.1r5-i386-3.iso exist in the url i provided. Telling me they are not present does not infact answer my question |
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| 19:27.55 | dkr | Heston: nod, that's why I said, "or not" snice afterwards I did look. heh ;) |
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| 19:28.22 | Heston | again, someone with atleast half a brain please answer my question. Thank you. |
| 19:28.35 | stew | Heston: if i were to guess, i would guess that they contain only the package which were updated from r0a to r5 (instead of a full set of every package) |
| 19:28.41 | dkr | Heston: why not find where those are linked to from debian.org? |
| 19:28.51 | wols | Heston: there are 3.1rX where 1-4 releases of sarge. |
| 19:29.06 | stew | wols: you mean 0a-5 ? |
| 19:29.16 | stew | and soon to be 5a |
| 19:29.19 | wols | stew: 0-5 I guess :) |
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| 19:29.33 | wols | there was a 0, even if only shortly |
| 19:29.40 | stew | i don't think there was |
| 19:29.48 | stew | well unless "3.1" == "3.1r0" |
| 19:29.49 | rpmx | Howto restore only determ files from big file Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz , I tried with this sentence #zcat Maildir_Daily_AllUsers.tar.gz | tar -tf - | grep -a one_user Is posible that return 16661.16777.domain.tlc 16667.16789.domain.tlc files generated by courier, the files teht contain email the user: one_user, howto I can know names of files to extract files, this ownner is very easy. The backup is from /home/registers_alluser/Maildir/new/*, any |
| 19:29.50 | rpmx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.55 | wols | wasn't it put on ftp and then shortly removed due to snafu? |
| 19:30.05 | dkr | do people really burn all the .isos instead of just using netinst? :) |
| 19:30.05 | wols | replaced with 0a? |
| 19:30.08 | eduhat | what is bigger, gnome or kde? |
| 19:30.20 | wols | dkr: some people do, especially when it's their first debian install I guess |
| 19:30.24 | Jackal01 | eduhat: kde I think |
| 19:30.34 | eduhat | Jackal01: allright |
| 19:30.35 | Catachan | stew, I am getting an error #2 when I try to load the mod, I tried increasing the timeout to 100 like the site said, but it has not helped, so, do you have any ideas? |
| 19:30.46 | wols | eduhat: at their respective sizes? who cares. both are behemoths :) |
| 19:30.53 | Heston | eduhat, id said kde in both cases, one just the base and two with the whole desktop environment |
| 19:31.02 | dkr | does a bactiran or dromedary camel weigh more? |
| 19:31.12 | eduhat | thats why im installing fluxbox :D |
| 19:31.27 | wols | eduhat: good choice. also look at openbox |
| 19:31.28 | Jackal01 | eduhat: I have fluxbox on one of my other machines, I love it |
| 19:31.37 | Jackal01 | eduhat: and Blackbox |
| 19:31.38 | eduhat | how is openbox? |
| 19:31.41 | eduhat | blackbox? |
| 19:31.49 | eduhat | are they all pretty much the same? |
| 19:31.56 | Jackal01 | eduhat: Yeah, more or less I think |
| 19:32.04 | eduhat | i'll just stick with fluxbox then |
| 19:32.05 | wols | sorta yes. but different places in time, different ones are developed :) |
| 19:32.14 | wols | currently it's openbox that gets devved |
| 19:32.33 | eduhat | idk.. i think about it |
| 19:32.39 | Heston | fluxbox isnt as light as it used to be |
| 19:32.58 | Heston | openbox has stayed more with simple functionality |
| 19:33.03 | stew | Catachan: what firmware version did you install to /lib/firmware? |
| 19:33.16 | Catachan | 3.0 |
| 19:33.18 | eduhat | i'll install both... then pick one later |
| 19:33.20 | eduhat | g2g |
| 19:33.21 | eduhat | brb |
| 19:33.32 | Catachan | I have driver v. 1.1.2 |
| 19:33.39 | Catachan | so it is the right firmware, |
| 19:33.46 | Catachan | let me read through the install text file |
| 19:33.47 | stew | Catachan: do you have udev or hotplug installed? if so which version(s)? |
| 19:33.51 | Catachan | realquick |
| 19:33.58 | Catachan | uhm how do I figure it out? |
| 19:34.47 | s1 | dpkg -l | egrep "(udev|hotplug)" |
| 19:34.48 | dpkg | ii | egrep "udev" 1.2-2.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 19:35.21 | stew | rpmx: do any of the filenames contain spaces? |
| 19:35.34 | eduhat | well, black box im running now (in 1024x768) and it seems just like fluxbox... |
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| 19:36.40 | Catachan | okay, 0.105-3 |
| 19:36.45 | Catachan | is my udev |
| 19:36.52 | mirak | I have a problem with grub. I did 3 boot partitions (the reason is lvm with two systems). The first one just have grub, that chainload either two others boot partitions. The problem I have is to install grub on the them. How do I do it ? |
| 19:36.52 | rpmx | stew, no contaion spaces 1174495812.V301I2f4441.domain.tlc |
| 19:36.53 | stew | Catachan: dunno then |
| 19:36.56 | dustybin | has anyone here installed debian etch on a macbook |
| 19:36.59 | rpmx | stew, no contaion spaces 1174495812.V301I2f4441.domain.tlc |
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| 19:37.25 | Catachan | perhaps, they need to be in the /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ dir |
| 19:37.29 | Catachan | I will check |
| 19:37.34 | mirak | the two others also have grub, but the problem is that when I install grub on one the other one fails to find grub binary |
| 19:37.36 | stew | rpmx: tar tvzf /path/to/tar.gz | awk '/somepattern/{print $6}' | xargs tar xvzf /path/to/tar |
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| 19:38.07 | stew | rpmx: (that is untested, but should work. replace 'somepattern" with whatever you would normally pass to grep |
| 19:38.25 | Caelum | holy shit, youtube works in the new swfdec! |
| 19:38.31 | rpmx | stew i tried extract files on fly, because space in hdd is very small |
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| 19:38.41 | Axehat | Caelum: Which version? |
| 19:38.57 | Caelum | Axehat: I used the one in git |
| 19:39.16 | Caelum | Axehat: http://swfdec.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
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| 19:39.48 | Caelum | now I just need to get pulseaudio to play nicely with dmix... |
| 19:39.53 | savar | Catachan: what is your problem? |
| 19:39.54 | Axehat | Caelum: Cheers, will check it out |
| 19:40.16 | mirak | how to install grub from a live cd ? |
| 19:40.22 | Catachan | I am unable to get my wireless module to work |
| 19:40.24 | stew | savar: he's tring to get ipw2200 + firmware to load under 2.6.18 |
| 19:40.26 | Catachan | ipw2200 |
| 19:40.31 | Catachan | I have installed the firmware |
| 19:40.39 | Catachan | and reloaded the module, |
| 19:40.48 | Catachan | but it still doesn't work |
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| 19:41.57 | Catachan | I wonder if I don't have sysfs in my fstab |
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| 19:42.57 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
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| 19:43.10 | PumpkinPie | how can I tell what kindof port speed I have on my ethernet port? |
| 19:43.24 | Catachan | that could be it! |
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| 19:43.50 | asg | PumpkinPie: mii-tool or mii-diag. |
| 19:44.01 | stew | Catachan: yeah, that would render udev (which loads the firmware) non-functional |
| 19:44.04 | savar | Catachan: if not.. anything in dmesg ? |
| 19:44.22 | asg | PumpkinPie: the ethtool package may also help |
| 19:44.34 | rpmx | stew, I only want extract files that contain mail address que this user |
| 19:44.45 | stew | rpmx: tar tvzf /path/to/tar.gz | awk '/username/{print $6}' | xargs tar xvzf /path/to/tar |
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| 19:45.15 | Heston | asg, why couldnt he just check dmesg or ifconfig on the specific device? |
| 19:45.21 | Catachan | lotza stuff savar |
| 19:45.45 | Catachan | baisically failed: Reason -2 |
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| 19:46.34 | xand | why do I get this error message from grep -P - "grep: The -P option is not supported"? |
| 19:46.42 | stew | Heston: it looks like my guess about debian-update isos was correct |
| 19:46.52 | stew | xand: becuase it is not supported |
| 19:46.58 | asg | Heston: ifconfig doesn't show speed/duplex. dmesg may show the available options but may not show what is currently being used. |
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| 19:47.08 | mirak | when grub is in the mbr, how does it find it's binary ? is it sector based or does it read the file system ? |
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| 19:47.15 | xand | stew: why not? |
| 19:47.20 | Heston | stew, alright, thank you. |
| 19:47.20 | xand | the man page says it is |
| 19:47.43 | devilma1 | hi.. could anyone tell me what the EOL policy is for debian distros? |
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| 19:48.30 | Axehat | devilma1: Google's a good place to start |
| 19:48.41 | devilma1 | Axehat: I checked on google |
| 19:48.55 | Axehat | devilma1: Ah, In that case, I have no idea... |
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| 19:49.18 | xand | stew: I shall file a bug report then |
| 19:49.26 | stew | xand: i dont' think it was ever implemented |
| 19:49.28 | Catachan | okay, vi, how do start the edit mode? |
| 19:49.36 | Catachan | it is a key press, but what key? |
| 19:49.36 | asg | Catachan: i or a |
| 19:49.39 | Catachan | okay |
| 19:49.49 | asg | Catachan: don't forget ESC ; ESC to return to command mode |
| 19:49.54 | xand | stew: then it shouldn't be in the man page |
| 19:49.57 | asg | Catachan: vimtutor may be helpful |
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| 19:50.21 | Heston | xand, the man page was probably borrowed from somewhere |
| 19:50.52 | fraudster | someone here use knoppix ? |
| 19:50.52 | xand | it's still a bug |
| 19:51.09 | xand | according to BTS the bug was fixed over a year ago... maybe it got broken again |
| 19:51.09 | Catachan | okay |
| 19:51.10 | Catachan | thanks |
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| 19:51.39 | savar | Catachan: iwp2100 failed with -2 ? |
| 19:51.40 | stew | xand: oh wait, i'm looking at the source looks like maybe it was just compiled out |
| 19:51.41 | zcram | i do, seldom |
| 19:51.47 | Catachan | yes |
| 19:51.51 | xand | stew: yes. |
| 19:52.06 | Catachan | I tried echo 100> blahblahblah |
| 19:52.12 | Catachan | to increase the timeout |
| 19:52.15 | Catachan | but it did not help |
| 19:52.28 | rpmx | stew: file1.tar.gz contain three files file1: here, file2: here_not, file3: here million files this tipe , If I extract file that contain word here_not, with out uncompress tar.gz |
| 19:53.09 | asg | stew: didn't know tar had a grep feature |
| 19:53.34 | stew | asg: say what? |
| 19:53.43 | asg | stew: sounds like what rpmx is asking for |
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| 19:55.28 | stew | xand: looking at the pcre license and it looks to be explicitly GPL incompatible (if i'm reading it correctly) |
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| 19:55.57 | xand | stew: it's the BSD license |
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| 19:56.40 | eduhat | how would i get a colorfull prompt? |
| 19:56.53 | eduhat | i know there is a way... just cant think of it right now |
| 19:57.07 | asg | eduhat: edit your ~/.bashrc (if you use bash) |
| 19:57.07 | savar | Catachan: what for was the timeout? |
| 19:57.12 | chop1 | eduhat: Google "colorful bash prompt" |
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| 19:57.15 | eduhat | allright |
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| 19:57.34 | Catachan | uhm, I don't know, How would I figure that out? |
| 19:57.46 | tvynr | I seem to have a problem in that my system clock is running 25% slower than it should be. I'm not sure what happened, although the string "rtc: lost some interrupts at 512Hz" showed up in my dmesg maybe fifty times. How might I readjust my system clock so that it's running at the same pace as the hardware clock? adjtimexconfig didn't work. |
| 19:58.21 | savar | Catachan: ok from the beginning... which kernel do you have? |
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| 19:58.35 | Catachan | 2.6.18 |
| 19:58.35 | eduhat | got it |
| 19:58.35 | wols | tvynr: I don't think you can so easily |
| 19:58.39 | wols | youi can set your clock tho |
| 19:58.43 | chop1 | tvynr: File a bug against the kernel, if your clock is that much slower because of lost RTC interrupts, userspace won't be able to help easily |
| 19:58.53 | stew | rpmx: tar tvzf /path/to/tar.gz | grep \\busername\\b | awk '{print $6}' | xargs tar xvzf /path/to/tar |
| 19:58.56 | wols | but system clock and rtc are different |
| 19:59.04 | xand | stew: oh, there's a pcregrep package... that should do |
| 19:59.15 | tvynr | chop1: See, I don't think I can do that. 'cause I think VMWare's the culprit and their kernel module is a fat, stupid blob... |
| 19:59.34 | stew | xand: ahh, neat |
| 19:59.36 | wols | tvynr: all bets are off with that now |
| 19:59.37 | chop1 | tvynr: Does it happen without VMWare? |
| 19:59.47 | wols | tvynr: your kernel isn't "tainted" for no reason |
| 19:59.50 | chop1 | tvynr: If not, well, you're pretty much on your own :-( |
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| 20:00.07 | tvynr | chop1: This is the first time that this has ever happened. I've been using this version of VMWare on this box for maybe six months. |
| 20:00.26 | tvynr | chop1: I'll try unloading the VMWare kernel module, but I somehow don't think that'll change a damn thing now that the config is all borken. |
| 20:00.34 | savar | Catachan: you have the ipw2100 module? |
| 20:00.38 | tvynr | chop1, wols: I'm starting to give some serious thought to QEMU... |
| 20:00.40 | eduhat | what program do i need to unzip .zip files? |
| 20:00.41 | savar | the on in the kernel or extern |
| 20:00.48 | chop1 | tvynr: Unload the module and reboot. If you have the problem with an untainted kernel, then file a kernel bug |
| 20:00.49 | paddor | which architecture of etch do i need for my macbook? ia64? |
| 20:00.51 | wols | eduhat: unzip |
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| 20:01.01 | wols | paddor: i386 or amd64 |
| 20:01.09 | eduhat | wols: thx |
| 20:01.21 | tvynr | chop1: Yeah, kinda figured that would be the procedure. Thing is, I'd wager that rebooting would fix the problem, tainted kernel or no. |
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| 20:01.43 | paddor | wols, i know, my macbook supports 64bit. so i can use amd64? |
| 20:01.47 | wols | tydelNL: probably. it would just fetch the clock on bootup from independent BIOS clock |
| 20:01.53 | wols | paddor: yes |
| 20:01.56 | paddor | wols, thx |
| 20:02.03 | tvynr | chop1, wols: I was just hoping on the odd chance that someone knew how to put the kernel's timer settings back without me having to reboot. I've got a couple of really long-term and not-exactly-interruptable processes running here. |
| 20:02.04 | wols | savar: HARDER! |
| 20:02.16 | chop1 | tvynr: Hm, are you still losing time? |
| 20:02.19 | wols | tvynr: ntpdate no workie? |
| 20:02.21 | chop1 | tvynr: Or is the time just wrong? |
| 20:02.29 | tvynr | chop1: I'm losing 5 seconds every 15 seconds. |
| 20:02.33 | asg | tvynr: is it the time on the host or the time in vmware? |
| 20:02.38 | streuner | wols: you like that? :-) |
| 20:02.42 | chop1 | tvynr: ntpdate will set your time correctly, though it can't cope with your clock running at the wrong speed |
| 20:02.42 | tvynr | asg: VMWare is off. The problem is on the host. |
| 20:02.44 | wols | well.... |
| 20:02.47 | asg | tvynr: funky |
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| 20:03.10 | tvynr | chop1: I've got openntpd running atm. It's trying to help but not working. |
| 20:03.17 | wols | tvynr: unload the vmware crud |
| 20:03.46 | wols | tvynr: but I think Ihave haerd of wrong clocks in conjunction with vmware before |
| 20:03.46 | chop1 | tvynr: Yeah, it wouldn't be able to cope with that. Sadly, I don't think there's much you can do... as wols said, there's a reason it says "tainted." |
| 20:04.05 | wols | so googleing might help |
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| 20:04.47 | tvynr | chop1: Oh, no worries. I'm getting to the point where I think that QEMU is a better solution anyway. VMWare crashes my X session if I have more than 2Gb of RAM in the box. :-/ |
| 20:04.47 | tvynr | wols: Yeah... preliminary Googling didn't get me much. I might just have to reboot here and give VMWare the boot. |
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| 20:05.14 | Catachan | savar: yes |
| 20:05.16 | Catachan | I do |
| 20:05.31 | tvynr | Well, if I have to bring the machine down, I'm gonna go get that extra gig of RAM that's sitting in my basement collecting dust. It's a travesty it sat there this long... |
| 20:05.39 | chop1 | tvynr: Depending on your hardware, you may be able to give xen a go as well. I've never used it, but I've heard somewhere that it's getting usable for running Windows with Linux as the host. |
| 20:05.48 | eduhat | okay, im trying to install rainbow crack... it says for linux to goto the src/ directory and type in make -f makefile.linux ..but it just gives errors |
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| 20:06.16 | tvynr | chop1: I was given to understand that the patch for Windows to make Xen run it would be considered a derivative work and thus undistributable. |
| 20:06.17 | asg | eduhat: paste the errors in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 20:06.49 | wols | chop1: No I/O virtualization :( |
| 20:06.54 | wols | but then, neither has vmware |
| 20:07.11 | wols | tvynr: what cpu do you have? |
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| 20:07.38 | eduhat | how do i copy from console? |
| 20:07.42 | tvynr | AMD64 Athlon XP 3700+. Can't remember the core off the top of my head. |
| 20:07.50 | wols | eduhat: copy what? copy+paste? |
| 20:07.55 | wols | easiest is by installing gpm |
| 20:07.56 | stew | eduhat: install gpm or use screen |
| 20:07.58 | asg | eduhat: the screen package is often helpful |
| 20:08.16 | wols | tvynr: socket AM2? DDR2 RAM? |
| 20:08.25 | asg | eduhat: or use script(1) to get a transcript of the failed build |
| 20:08.25 | tvynr | wols: Socket 939; DDR1. |
| 20:08.35 | wols | tvynr: no Xen for you with windows then, sorry |
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| 20:08.48 | tvynr | wols: Why? It needs a specific configuration to run? |
| 20:09.07 | wols | no it needs Pacifica in case of AMD CPUs |
| 20:09.13 | asg | tvynr: it needs virtualization built into the hardware |
| 20:09.14 | wintix | wols: does my core2duo e6600 support e.g. windows in xen? |
| 20:09.17 | wols | that allows you to run a unmodified windows. no patch |
| 20:09.22 | wols | wintix: yes |
| 20:09.29 | Catachan | savar, yes, I do have the ipw2200 module installed |
| 20:09.31 | wols | wintix: It has intel VT/Vanderpool |
| 20:09.33 | tvynr | asg: Aaah. |
| 20:09.55 | asg | wols: do you know if the Intel (R) processors also work with Xen |
| 20:09.57 | wintix | wols: hm. that rocks. i know what i will do in the next few days :) |
| 20:10.05 | savar | Catachan: the one in the kernel or did you make the external module? |
| 20:10.15 | tvynr | Blast. Unloaded the VMWare crap and I'm still losing 5 seconds every 15 seconds. |
| 20:10.18 | Catachan | one from the kernel |
| 20:10.19 | eduhat | okay, gpm is install... now how would i copy? |
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| 20:10.21 | tvynr | I'll have to reboot. |
| 20:10.27 | eduhat | im using xterm |
| 20:10.30 | wols | asg: As I said: all 6xxx C2D do. E4xxx do not. Some P4 do too, but harder to keep them apart. VT is what you need |
| 20:10.38 | sepski | tvynr, use 2.4 kernel and the clock sanes up a lot |
| 20:10.47 | Catachan | you want me to make the the external module? |
| 20:10.59 | tvynr | Funny... I've had this or that problem with QEMU, but AFAIK it's never screwed up my system. By right of, you know, not having kernel privs. |
| 20:10.59 | asg | wols: cool |
| 20:11.16 | wols | wintix: you canot play 3D games in that windows. in fact 3D won't work |
| 20:11.36 | tvynr | sepski: I'm not sure 2.4 is my style. :-P Everything seems to work fine under 2.6. 'cept this insane VM software... |
| 20:11.42 | stew | Catachan: was sys mounted the first time you tried with th e new firmware? |
| 20:11.53 | tvynr | bbiab |
| 20:11.58 | wols | for that you need IO/ virtualization which will be in the next core (penryn) and I think suitable drivers too |
| 20:12.05 | Catachan | oh, yeah, I need to edit my Fstab file to mount sysfs@ |
| 20:12.05 | wintix | wols: no problem there. i stopped playing some time ago. |
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| 20:12.15 | Catachan | I had to do something and forgot! |
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| 20:12.51 | asg | eduhat: if you have an xterm, just select the error text with the left mouse button and paste it into the web form with the middle button |
| 20:12.57 | stew | Catachan: mount /sys ; /etc/init.d/udev restart ; modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200 |
| 20:13.00 | asg | eduhat: or left+right buttons if you only have 2 |
| 20:13.03 | wintix | wols: besides that, playing games in the cellar is no fun. it's cold and loud there. |
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| 20:13.22 | wols | get a hotter cpu |
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| 20:13.29 | wols | won't help with the "loud" bit but with the cold |
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| 20:13.35 | wintix | :D |
| 20:13.42 | asg | wols: perfect environment for the Call of Cthulhu games though |
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| 20:13.51 | kiba | hello |
| 20:13.56 | kiba | I cannot extract files |
| 20:14.14 | asg | kiba: what kind of files? |
| 20:14.14 | stew | kiba: be more specific |
| 20:14.18 | wols | kiba: a little more info would help |
| 20:14.18 | kiba | Extracting blah.jpg Unsupported Method |
| 20:14.22 | kiba | .rar files |
| 20:14.29 | kirbymeister | I'm trying to fix an NVIDIA version mismatch, I have GLX version 8776 and Kernel version 8776, but somehow I have X driver 8774. Removing and installing nvidia-glx does NOT fix the problem, what package has the nvidia X driver in it? |
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| 20:14.35 | asg | kiba: install rar and/or unrar from non-free |
| 20:14.36 | wols | get unrar-nonfree in nonfree |
| 20:14.49 | kiba | I am using 7z |
| 20:14.58 | kiba | it did extract rar files before |
| 20:15.02 | wols | kirbymeister: hunt for 8774 glx library on your system |
| 20:15.04 | wols | rm it |
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| 20:15.09 | kirbymeister | Ok |
| 20:15.36 | wols | kirbymeister: but this archive was made with a newer rar version |
| 20:15.43 | wols | and 7zip has no support for it |
| 20:15.54 | wols | kiba: |
| 20:17.00 | kirbymeister | wols: thanks, I found an 8776 GLX lib. |
| 20:17.02 | kirbymeister | bye |
| 20:17.09 | kirbymeister | erm |
| 20:17.17 | kirbymeister | I found an 8774 GLX lib that was RMd by me |
| 20:17.26 | kirbymeister | it should be fixed now |
| 20:17.27 | kirbymeister | bye |
| 20:18.17 | junix-other | how do i change the time from cli??? |
| 20:18.24 | Catachan | okay, sysfs is mounted on /sys, but the only thing there is firmware/, which contains a folder "acpi" that holds a dir "namespace" |
| 20:18.47 | Catachan | actually /sys has a few other folders aswell |
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| 20:19.48 | tuvwx | how do i specify the refresh rate in xorg.conf for a particular mode? |
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| 20:20.39 | Catachan | savar, or stew "/sys/bus/pci/drivers/" has an item "ipw2200" inside it |
| 20:20.42 | streuner | junix659: man date |
| 20:20.56 | Catachan | should I try to force a remount of all in fstab? |
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| 20:21.01 | eduhat | http://pastebin.ca/405538 |
| 20:21.11 | kirbymeister | no dice - removing the old GLX version did jack squat... it's the X driver in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o which I believe is an 8774 - what i'm wondering, is how the heck I have mismatched x driver and glx module |
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| 20:21.57 | asg | eduhat: looks like you need to install the libssl-dev package |
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| 20:22.10 | nomi | im trying to get the sound working from an nforce 680i motherboard under etch, can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:22.37 | eduhat | asg: its installing now |
| 20:22.50 | asg | eduhat: then do a 'make clean ; make distclean' and try again |
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| 20:24.35 | eduhat | allright, it is installed |
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| 20:26.08 | eduhat | brb |
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| 20:26.25 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have setup a debian system and i need to install it on other machines. How can i do this? Is there a way to generate a ISO from my install? |
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| 20:26.37 | asg | FernandoMM: the bootcd package |
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| 20:27.16 | FernandoMM | asg: thanks, will take a look. |
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| 20:27.43 | asg | FernandoMM: it creates a bootable live cd of the existing system but there is a utility that can then write the image to a new system. |
| 20:27.47 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one please help with my apache2 setup on a debian box. i have the whole ssl setup confused. would apreciate some help. i have pasted the configs at http://rafb.net/p/rsBu5c28.html |
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| 20:27.56 | eduhat | im back |
| 20:28.31 | FernandoMM | asg: just one question, does it copy programs that i have compiled or just the ones installed using apt-get? |
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| 20:28.46 | sepski | thelostbutler, i usualy make a separate sitefile for the ssl |
| 20:28.56 | asg | FernandoMM: it copies everything. We use it to build custom installers for IBM blades at work. |
| 20:29.00 | eduhat | anyone here know of a good system monitor for fluxbox? |
| 20:29.06 | eduhat | a cool looking one... |
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| 20:29.12 | FernandoMM | asg ok, thanks. |
| 20:29.14 | sepski | thelostbutler, you must use :80 on the regular sitefiles |
| 20:29.19 | asg | eduhat: gdesklets might fit the bill |
| 20:29.35 | sepski | thelostbutler, and :443 on the ssl enabled sitefile |
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| 20:29.52 | asg | eduhat: or gkrellm2 |
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| 20:30.34 | thelostbutler | sepski: oh okay |
| 20:30.51 | abrotman | !alicekill asg |
| 20:30.55 | dutchfish | asg, can it also be used to make an iso out of a running Xen dom-U? |
| 20:30.57 | sepski | thelostbutler, <VirtualHost *:80> and NameVirtualHost *:80 on the regular sitefiles |
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| 20:31.12 | thelostbutler | sepski: what if the same files need to be available on both the ports ? |
| 20:31.13 | sepski | thelostbutler, you can not use NameVirtualHost at all on the ssl enabled one |
| 20:31.24 | sepski | just use the same document root |
| 20:31.28 | asg | dutchfish: that I don't know but it would be worth testing. It should. |
| 20:31.34 | kirbymeister | !alicekill nvidia version mismatches |
| 20:31.36 | streuner | asg: http://www.progpalaceradio.com/playing.php |
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| 20:31.51 | junix-other | how do i change the time from cli??? |
| 20:31.57 | asg | streuner: fuck yeah, that's a great album |
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| 20:32.09 | streuner | asg: suggestion from rahul ;-) |
| 20:32.11 | asg | junix-other: date |
| 20:32.16 | thelostbutler | sepski: ok. i guess i will rtfm |
| 20:32.20 | Kevin` | junix-other you can use the date command, but you probably should use ntp |
| 20:32.22 | asg | streuner: heh, cool |
| 20:32.23 | dutchfish | asg, or when its down to create it from an existing mounted dom-U lvm partition mounted on dom-0? |
| 20:32.25 | mikes1 | I cannot d/load rc2? |
| 20:32.26 | sepski | and add a ServerName directive if it fail to autodetect |
| 20:32.28 | streuner | junix-other: pay attention |
| 20:32.29 | junix-other | Kevin`: ah yes |
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| 20:32.39 | junix-other | it slipped my mind |
| 20:32.41 | junix-other | my bad |
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| 20:32.44 | asg | dutchfish: if you create it from within the dom-u, it should work. |
| 20:32.48 | Kevin` | ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org fixes it all :) |
| 20:32.50 | nomi | wheres a good place to start troubleshooting sound problems? I must be googling for the wrong thing because i cant seem to find much |
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| 20:32.56 | dutchfish | asg, ok thx |
| 20:33.02 | streuner | nomi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:33.30 | wols | junix-other: best use ntpdate |
| 20:33.42 | junix-other | will install it when i'm done with what i'm doing |
| 20:33.46 | dutchfish | asg, i need to swtich from a xen-vserver kernel to a normal xen kernel i hues |
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| 20:34.12 | snow | !sarge |
| 20:34.12 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 20:34.18 | thelostbutler | sepski: what do i do about the tarting web server: Apache2apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName error ? |
| 20:34.20 | asg | dutchfish: we generally use OpenVZ for virtualization but will be looking more closely at Xen in the near future. |
| 20:34.22 | snow | hmmz, what about that link |
| 20:34.36 | sepski | thelostbutler, <sepski> and add a ServerName directive if it fail to autodetect |
| 20:34.40 | snow | with up-to-date netinstall cd with up-to-date kernel? |
| 20:34.43 | snow | and all drivers |
| 20:34.44 | snow | !2.6.20 |
| 20:34.44 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 20:34.52 | snow | common dpkg |
| 20:34.53 | snow | tell me |
| 20:34.58 | stew | !kmuto |
| 20:34.58 | sepski | !sarge 2.6.19 |
| 20:34.59 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:35.06 | dutchfish | asg, i did away all my OpenVZ installs in favor of xen's low overhead and stability |
| 20:35.09 | nomi | steuner: it says 2.3.6.dsl-13 |
| 20:35.11 | asg | snow: /msg dpkg listkeys <foo> ; /msg dpkg listvals <foo> |
| 20:35.17 | snow | thankyou |
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| 20:35.29 | streuner | nomi: ok, tell us the whole output of 'cat /proc/version' |
| 20:35.33 | eduhat | anyone here know how to install fluxbox themes? |
| 20:35.41 | desertwind | how much space will a base install of etch will take ? |
| 20:35.42 | asg | dutchfish: OpenVZ's live migration is quite nice though since it doesn't require shared storage |
| 20:35.51 | chop1 | eduhat: I know how to install blackbox themes, if that helps |
| 20:35.54 | streuner | eduhat: sure, install them into the right folder |
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| 20:36.06 | asg | eduhat: put them in ~/.fluxbox/styles |
| 20:36.16 | dutchfish | asg, i am now expirimenting with the 2.6.20 kernel and its native virtualisation layer |
| 20:36.16 | eduhat | asg: allright |
| 20:36.19 | eduhat | thankyou |
| 20:36.25 | thelostbutler | sepski: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 i had take this as an example . this article had NameVirtualhost for ssl port. dunno why though |
| 20:36.29 | nomi | steuner: Linux version 2.6.18-4-686-bigmem (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 17:30:22 UTC 2007 |
| 20:36.51 | asg | dutchfish: yeah, it's on my radar; looks promising down the road. |
| 20:36.57 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: The version in the kvm source is much more featureful |
| 20:36.58 | mikes1 | RC2 link down?' |
| 20:37.05 | wintix | der0b: i don't know for sure, but i would say under 500mb |
| 20:37.15 | streuner | eduhat: http://www.progpalaceradio.com/playing.php |
| 20:37.20 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: If you use the one built into 2.6.20 you have to use kvm-12 |
| 20:37.23 | streuner | eduhat: /usr/share/fluxbox/styles/BlueFlux |
| 20:37.31 | streuner | eduhat: /usr/share/fluxbox/styles/ <-- |
| 20:37.35 | dutchfish | asg, yep, but a long way to go for its ready on production systems i am afraid |
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| 20:37.51 | dutchfish | asg, atm nothing beats xen |
| 20:37.57 | streuner | eduhat: after you restart X, flux will find them and you select them as always |
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| 20:38.28 | eduhat | allright |
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| 20:38.39 | th0ger | Hi!, I want to mount my cam as usb device. It is rekogniced by lsusb, but I cannot find any /dev/sd* for it (as for my usb-sticks). Which modules should be loaded, and what am I doing wrong...? |
| 20:38.45 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, do you have a link for that one? |
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| 20:38.47 | streuner | nomi: run 'alsaconf' as root, adduser <user> audio and logout and back in, make sure you haven't any OSS modules loaded |
| 20:39.11 | eduhat | allright |
| 20:39.12 | eduhat | brb |
| 20:39.17 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: No but it will be on snapshot.debian.net (was in sid) |
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| 20:39.40 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, alrighty i delve into it |
| 20:39.46 | mue | which package do i need for qmake? |
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| 20:40.15 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: kvm-16 is alot better though (and you can still use it with 2.6.20 you just don't use the in kernel modules) |
| 20:40.33 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, ok, noted |
| 20:41.17 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, i am expirimenting with etch and a source build kernel for that should i go the kvm-12 road also? |
| 20:41.56 | savar | #ä |
| 20:41.56 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, that is pinned from sid? |
| 20:42.05 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: I use kvm-16 (I don't think its packaged yet at all) |
| 20:42.30 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: I use sid on my desktop - but you wouldn't need to pin as its not in etch at all |
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| 20:42.34 | savar | Catachan: oh sorry.. was away.. aehm has you ipw2100 as module or direct in Kernel? |
| 20:42.34 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, no i meant the source build |
| 20:42.49 | Catachan | module |
| 20:43.02 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: if you build it from source you don't use the --with-patched-kernel option |
| 20:43.03 | junix-other | there is an error with 2.6.8-3-686,i can't access the C Header files, is there going to be an update?!?! |
| 20:43.07 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, i only use it server-side |
| 20:43.17 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, yep |
| 20:43.22 | stew | junix-other: what command gives you that error? |
| 20:43.35 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, thx for info |
| 20:43.39 | streuner | eduhat: http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/45165/48269/ |
| 20:43.41 | junix-other | stew: |
| 20:43.42 | junix-other | The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
| 20:43.42 | junix-other | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 20:43.42 | junix-other | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
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| 20:43.57 | dutchfish | !paste |
| 20:43.57 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste on FreeNode and http://channels.debian.net/paste2/ on OFTC |
| 20:44.01 | junix-other | stew: you get that? |
| 20:44.05 | stew | junix-other: what command gives you that error? |
| 20:44.15 | junix-other | stew: compiling vmware |
| 20:44.18 | stew | junix-other: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin |
| 20:44.22 | h3sp4wn | dutchfish: I am using it for testing stuff really not for anything serious - (use xen for my server) |
| 20:44.27 | Catachan | savar, ipw2200 is a module |
| 20:44.30 | jelly-ho | junix-other: try /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686/include (after installing kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 of course) |
| 20:44.45 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, yes, i am just testing the 2.6.20 snacks |
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| 20:45.08 | stew | junix-other: it shouldn't be looing for /usr/src/linux that is broken, (see the README in the kernel source). try what jelly-ho said |
| 20:45.15 | savar | Catachan: and what happens when you "modprobe -r ipw2100" and "modprobe ipw2100" in "dmesg"? |
| 20:45.37 | jelly-ho | stew: funny thing is it finds my linux-h-2.6.18-4-686 just fine |
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| 20:45.55 | stew | savar: he's trying to use ipw2200, not ipw2100 |
| 20:46.00 | junix-other | jelly-ho: same here, but it doesn't work on 2.6.8-3-686 on 3.1r5 |
| 20:46.16 | buscon | Hi, which gcc has been used for compiling 2.6.18 testing kernel? |
| 20:46.18 | dutchfish | h3sp4wn, but have only 1 system that supports the virtualization needed fro 2.6.20 |
| 20:46.18 | stew | junix-other: you have kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686 installed? |
| 20:46.22 | junix-other | yes |
| 20:46.33 | jelly-ho | junix-other: what happens if you explicitely tell it where to look? |
| 20:46.37 | stew | aparantly vmware is broken then |
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| 20:46.41 | Catachan | savar, modprobe -r ipw2200 gives this in dmesg: ieee80211_crypt: unregistered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 20:46.43 | savar | stew: uh.. i doesn't recognized that.. sorry |
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| 20:46.46 | junix-other | jelly-ho: it doens't work |
| 20:46.46 | eduhat | how would i set a back ground image in debian? |
| 20:46.57 | streuner | eduhat: xsession |
| 20:46.58 | jelly-ho | junix-other: how does it not work? |
| 20:47.05 | savar | Catachan: ok and "modprobe ipw2200" after that? |
| 20:47.11 | eduhat | streuner: what do you mean/ |
| 20:47.13 | eduhat | ? |
| 20:47.13 | junix-other | comes back and asks for the C header files again |
| 20:47.40 | jelly-ho | junix-other: hmph. tried creatin |
| 20:47.49 | Catachan | savar: modprobe ipw2200 gives this: |
| 20:47.50 | Catachan | ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 20:47.50 | Catachan | ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13 |
| 20:47.50 | Catachan | ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com> |
| 20:47.50 | Catachan | ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.1.2kmq |
| 20:47.50 | Catachan | ipw2200: Copyright(c) 2003-2006 Intel Corporation |
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| 20:47.56 | jelly-ho | junix-other: g an usr/src/linux symlink? |
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| 20:48.06 | streuner | eduhat: put 'fbsetbg -f <some-image>' into xsession |
| 20:48.07 | Catachan | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:03:03.0 disabled |
| 20:48.09 | Catachan | ipw2200: probe of 0000:03:03.0 failed with error -5 |
| 20:48.34 | Catachan | savar, did you get that? |
| 20:48.47 | Kevin` | I have that problem too |
| 20:48.50 | junix-other | jelly-ho: what? |
| 20:48.58 | Kevin` | would most like to fix it, rather then go back to an earlier kernel |
| 20:49.01 | jelly-ho | junix-other: tried creating an usr/src/linux symlink? |
| 20:49.04 | streuner | eduhat: or simply edit the theme file (fluxbox) |
| 20:49.19 | savar | Catachan: yes but hoo.. what is "error -5" |
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| 20:49.23 | junix-other | jelly-ho: no...it SHOULD be there, from Debian practice. right? |
| 20:49.27 | enouf | !tell Catachan about paster |
| 20:49.28 | eduhat | streuner: allright, i dont think i have xsession in my home dir... so do i make one? |
| 20:49.33 | Catachan | I don't know |
| 20:49.36 | eduhat | im running regular user... not root |
| 20:49.43 | dutchfish | buscon, i used gcc 4.1.1-15 |
| 20:49.46 | streuner | eduhat: no, just edit the style file |
| 20:49.47 | jelly-ho | junix-other: I don't do "should", I do "is" or "is not" |
| 20:49.50 | savar | Catachan: i will have a look.. give me some time |
| 20:49.55 | nomi | streuner: alsaconf saw the device and appeared to run successfully, but still no sound, any other steps i should try? |
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| 20:50.01 | Catachan | okay, I can look too, google? |
| 20:50.03 | buscon | dutchfish, thanx |
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| 20:50.06 | junix-other | jelly-ho: ok, i can create it |
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| 20:50.06 | eduhat | iight |
| 20:50.11 | streuner | eduhat: 'Esetroot -scale /home/<some-image> |
| 20:50.19 | tvynr | 'kay. Got rid of the blob. Hopefully things will stay fixed now. |
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| 20:50.36 | jelly-ho | junix-other: I've seen some older vmware-config.pl act like that, maybe a year ago though |
| 20:50.41 | tvynr | If I may ask, what is the possibility that QEMU, run as a normal user, would be capable of screwing up my system clock speed? |
| 20:50.52 | savar | Catachan: yes.. try this |
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| 20:50.58 | enouf | !tell Catachan about pastebin |
| 20:51.12 | Kevin` | tvynr pretty much impossible without other existing problems |
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| 20:51.31 | dutchfish | tvynr, very possible, i had the same |
| 20:51.34 | Kevin` | tvynr as in, it's probably the cpu usage or something, not qemu itself |
| 20:51.45 | tvynr | Kevin`: Okay, just wanted to be sure. I don't have the accelerator kernel module loaded so I'd assume everything would be fine. |
| 20:51.51 | junix-other | jelly-ho: me too, i've had to use some special script from VMWARE to get it working on newer kernels |
| 20:51.52 | dutchfish | tvynr, dont use ntpdate in it |
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| 20:51.55 | tvynr | dutchfish: What happened on your end? |
| 20:52.19 | SensationBlack | Hello everybody, do you know how to know if an installed kernel have support for module build in or not ? |
| 20:52.25 | dutchfish | tvynr, i sinqed it with normal ntpd |
| 20:52.26 | junix-other | jelly-ho: usually a patch of the kernel-headers fixes this too |
| 20:52.26 | tvynr | dutchfish: I don't think I did, but I'm not sure. But as a normal user, I don't have the right to change any of the kernel time settings... so how would QEMU mess things up? |
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| 20:52.41 | tvynr | dutchfish: I see... what did it do to your clock? |
| 20:52.49 | h3sp4wn | tvynr: maybe get rid of the hwclock from the startup scripts |
| 20:52.53 | streuner | eduhat: Esetroot is in eterm package, but you could use fbsetbg as well |
| 20:53.07 | tvynr | h3sp4wn: Which startup scripts? |
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| 20:53.26 | dutchfish | tvynr, ntpdate cant handle the slicing very well so it simply miscalculates squiwing |
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| 20:53.39 | h3sp4wn | tvynr: Depends obviously it doesn't apply if you are using it to run windows or something |
| 20:53.42 | Kevin` | SensationBlack you will most likely need to install the kernel source if you don't have it, but yes |
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| 20:53.58 | tvynr | dutchfish: Oh, no no... I mean what is the chance that QEMU could screw up the *host's* system clock if run as a normal user? |
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| 20:54.14 | dutchfish | tvynr, high |
| 20:54.17 | SensationBlack | Kevin > I'm running a data center kernel on debian sarge, |
| 20:54.33 | Kevin` | dutchfish why do you say that? there should be NO reason for it |
| 20:54.38 | cahoot | SensationBlack: you can grep /boot/config-kernelversion for the modulename |
| 20:54.39 | dutchfish | tvynr, you can prevent this by installing nntpd |
| 20:54.45 | tvynr | dutchfish: I guess I'm not seeing how that could be the case if everything works the way it should. What happened to your system? How'd you fix it? |
| 20:54.48 | jelly-ho | tvynr: does your normal user have access to /dev/rtc? |
| 20:54.49 | SensationBlack | cahoot > ok thx |
| 20:54.55 | xand | dutchfish: nntpd is for usenet. |
| 20:54.55 | tvynr | dutchfish: I have openntpd running right now. |
| 20:55.06 | xand | (you want ntpd) |
| 20:55.15 | dutchfish | sorry my typo ntpd |
| 20:55.19 | Kevin` | dutchfish if your host time is changing because of an unprivalaged user process, something is wrong on the system |
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| 20:55.22 | loca|host | how to install iceaweasel Java runtime environnment |
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| 20:55.36 | tvynr | jelly-ho: Ah... yes, actually, it does. Because /dev/rtc is owned by the audio group? Why would the software clock be owned by audio? |
| 20:55.40 | jelly-ho | loca|host: etch? |
| 20:55.54 | loca|host | jelly-ho, yes |
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| 20:56.12 | streuner | !install java |
| 20:56.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 20:56.33 | jelly-ho | loca|host: installing sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin should do the trick |
| 20:56.52 | dutchfish | Kevin`, thats not what i meant - ntpdate will not sync hwclock the right way - thats what i meant - because of slicing errors from QEMU |
| 20:57.04 | jelly-ho | !info sun-java6-plugin etch |
| 20:57.08 | loca|host | jelly-ho, apt-cache search sun-java |
| 20:57.11 | loca|host | nothing |
| 20:57.17 | daeos | after installing ndiswrapper and connecting a wireless adapter, also installed drivers, ndiswrapper says drivers and device install, and i've already done ndiswrapper -m , would would i do next to get the wireless adapter working, and how do i know it is working? |
| 20:57.26 | jelly-ho | loca|host: oh, they could be only in unstable :-| |
| 20:57.29 | tvynr | loca|host: You need to have non-free in your apt sources.list to get the Sun implementation of Java. |
| 20:57.44 | loca|host | k |
| 20:58.08 | Kevin` | daeos what wireless chipset and connection type are you using |
| 20:58.20 | tvynr | So... does anyone know why /dev/rtc is owned by the audio group on my system? I'm not sure why that makes any sense. |
| 20:58.21 | daeos | usb, its a wg111 netgear adapter |
| 20:58.36 | Kevin` | do you know what chipset that is? I think netgear likes to change them |
| 20:58.50 | jelly-ho | tvynr: multimedia players use it for synchronization of a/v streams, for example |
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| 20:59.02 | daeos | ndis says netwg111 driver present, hardware present |
| 20:59.08 | Kevin` | first step when you were looking for the native linux driver for it, which apparently must not exist if using ndiswrapper |
| 20:59.24 | daeos | hmmm |
| 20:59.26 | Kevin` | but I suspect you didn't check, and didn't look for a driver :). anyway, is the ndiswrapper module loaded? check lsmod |
| 20:59.45 | Kevin` | mmm my power just went out |
| 20:59.53 | tvynr | jelly-ho: The audio group has write access to it, though? |
| 20:59.55 | Kevin` | it's all lightningy here |
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| 21:00.14 | daeos | Kevin`: no, its not loaded |
| 21:00.16 | jelly-ho | tvynr: ya, there are some ioctls or something available to the user |
| 21:00.21 | Kevin` | daeos load it |
| 21:00.32 | daeos | don't know how to do that |
| 21:00.35 | tvynr | jelly-ho: I guess the question now is how I prevent any process I run as a normal user from screwing up my system clock. I couldn't seem to fix it the last time around. |
| 21:00.51 | jelly-ho | tvynr: shouldn't be able to really mess it up, but apparently it does on your system |
| 21:00.58 | savar | Catachan: hmm.. what if you set debug ? |
| 21:01.10 | tvynr | Is there some kind of way I can have a process relinquish the rights of a specific group? So, for instance, I could create a shell, drop my rights to the audio group from within the shell, and then run a potentially wonky program? |
| 21:01.12 | Kevin` | daeos looks like it might be using prism54 chipset, which IS supported by native drivers. but again, netgear likes to change hardware without changing the name |
| 21:01.20 | Catachan | as in? |
| 21:01.23 | Catachan | savar? |
| 21:01.33 | Kevin` | daeos modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 21:01.41 | jelly-ho | tvynr: try removing user's access to it to see what happens if/when you run qemu again |
| 21:01.54 | savar | Catachan: modinfo ipw2200 |
| 21:01.55 | valdyn | tvynr: rtc is needed by audio applications and debian does not have an extra group for rtc |
| 21:02.05 | tvynr | jelly-ho: Well, the thing is that I'm not entirely certain what *did* cause this problem. |
| 21:02.21 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`:Is prism54 the one with incomplete wpa support ? |
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| 21:02.34 | tvynr | valdyn: Right. But I don't need audio for this instance of qemu; I'm using it to test a LiveCD. So I was wondering if I could have a shell that dropped rights to audio without creating a new user account and dealing with that kruft. |
| 21:02.38 | Kevin` | h3sp4wn unsure, i've never used one, just know it's supported by wlan-ng or such |
| 21:02.48 | daeos_ | you said to do modprobe ndiswrapper right? |
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| 21:02.59 | Kevin` | daeos_ yes |
| 21:03.02 | valdyn | tvynr: so make an rtc group |
| 21:03.06 | daeos_ | i just had to relog... vnc is annoying me |
| 21:03.15 | valdyn | tvynr: though i don't really see why you need to restrict audio |
| 21:03.20 | tvynr | jelly-ho: To be sure, I've tried eliminating the VMWare kernel module (because I suppose it could've messed things up, although I've had no trouble for the past half year from it). Also, I've run QEMU several times before without trouble. |
| 21:03.42 | savar | Catachan: maybe some kernel parameters helps.. "noapic" or "nolapic" as an example.. but don't know.. maybe some acpi parameters.. |
| 21:03.48 | enouf | must be a qemu thing .. no /dev/rtc here .. not even in an lshal output, only in /proc/interrupts, etc and dmesg naturally |
| 21:03.50 | tvynr | valdyn: The trouble is that it may be the case that write access to /dev/rtc somehow screwed up my system clock's speed. So I'm trying to figure out a way to prevent a specific process I run from having access to /dev/rtc. |
| 21:04.18 | h3sp4wn | tvynr: edit /etc/udev/020_permissions.rules (020_permissions.rules:KERNEL=="rtc|rtc[0-9]*", GROUP="audio") change it to root or whatever |
| 21:04.20 | daeos_ | Kevin`: told me it could not locate the module |
| 21:04.21 | enouf | and i think i even have both alsa and oss installed .. heh |
| 21:04.23 | Kevin` | tvynr qemu IS opensource, you know :) |
| 21:04.32 | Kevin` | daeos_ you don't have ndiswrapper completely installed then |
| 21:04.46 | daeos_ | interesting |
| 21:05.01 | daeos_ | i guess apt-get install ndiswrapper doesn't work after all |
| 21:05.15 | Kevin` | you probably also need to install the package for the kernel module |
| 21:05.19 | daeos_ | hmmm |
| 21:05.21 | tvynr | h3sp4wn: I'm probably not explaining this right. I want to normally have access to /dev/rtc the same way everyone else has it set up. But I'd like to prevent certain processes from having write access to it without having to create a special user account for this task. |
| 21:05.24 | Kevin` | which varies of course, depending which kernel your using |
| 21:05.35 | valdyn | daeos_: that's not supposed to work, there is no package 'ndiswrapper' |
| 21:05.40 | enouf | just pull that user out of audio group |
| 21:05.47 | jelly-ho | tvynr: you could just rmmod rtc if it's modularized |
| 21:05.50 | daeos_ | valdyn: i did something to install it |
| 21:05.54 | tvynr | Kevin`: lol... I'm already in the middle of using QEMU to test a different open source project. I don't think I have the time to fix whatever's broken. |
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| 21:06.01 | tvynr | jelly-ho: What would that accomplish? |
| 21:06.13 | valdyn | daeos_: 'it' is not 'ndiswrapper', apt-cache search ndiswrapper |
| 21:06.20 | jelly-ho | tvynr: disappearance of the device? |
| 21:06.34 | tvynr | jelly-ho: And... then all the videos I play could have sync problems? |
| 21:06.34 | Kevin` | tvynr s/"open(/dev/rtc...."/0;/ |
| 21:06.38 | Kevin` | erm 1 |
| 21:06.43 | Kevin` | you get the idea :) |
| 21:06.56 | tvynr | Kevin`: hehe |
| 21:07.02 | tvynr | Kevin`: point |
| 21:07.06 | jelly-ho | tvynr: mplayer would fall back to software sync (more cpu costly), dunno about others |
| 21:07.17 | daeos_ | ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.8-3-386 is what i found |
| 21:07.26 | daeos_ | and apt tells me i already installed it |
| 21:07.36 | Kevin` | are you using that kernel? |
| 21:07.41 | Kevin` | what does uname -a say |
| 21:07.47 | Kevin` | (-r specifically) |
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| 21:07.58 | enouf | i don't need it, i'm only testing a livecd |
| 21:08.22 | daeos_ | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 21:08.26 | daeos_ | hmm |
| 21:08.28 | daeos_ | no wonder |
| 21:08.31 | daeos_ | im using 2.4 |
| 21:08.33 | daeos_ | and its for 2.6 |
| 21:08.39 | daeos_ | wonderful |
| 21:08.59 | h3sp4wn | daeos_: recent versions also require your kernel to be built with gcc-3.4 + |
| 21:09.01 | jelly-ho | daeos_: how can there be no wonder and wonderful at the same time? |
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| 21:09.25 | Kevin` | daeos_ there's no module in apt for 2.4? |
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| 21:10.00 | daeos_ | Kevin`: apt-cache search didn't find one |
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| 21:10.06 | stew | !info ndiswrapper-modules-2.4.27-3-386 sarge |
| 21:10.11 | tvynr | Wait a sec. |
| 21:10.15 | stew | ...does not exist |
| 21:10.19 | valdyn | tvynr: audio/video is usually fine even without rtc |
| 21:10.24 | tvynr | Doesn't /dev/rtc have to do with the hardware clock and not the system clock? |
| 21:10.45 | daeos_ | so shouldi just run a hardward scan and see if 2.4 can find a way to use it? |
| 21:10.56 | valdyn | tvynr: its a time source to sync against, not your clock |
| 21:11.00 | daeos_ | i forget the program that scans for hardware changes |
| 21:11.09 | jelly-ho | tvynr: it does, but that's a vaguely clocky related thing that qemu could use |
| 21:11.26 | dutchfish | daeos_, lspci -vvv? |
| 21:11.33 | tvynr | jelly-ho: Ah, thanks. See, the problem was with my software clock previously; the hardware clock was dandy. |
| 21:11.37 | Kevin` | daeos_ what does lsusb say the card is? if it's prism54 you could use a native driver, some other chipsets too of course. if you can't find a module you could just build one |
| 21:11.53 | tvynr | valdyn: *nods* I don't know much about timekeeping under Linux, so some of these questions may seem... bizarre. |
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| 21:12.34 | valdyn | tvynr: rtc does that, at a user configurable interval |
| 21:12.41 | daeos_ | 0846:4240 Netgear, Inc |
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| 21:12.49 | dutchfish | tvynr, int10 dos functions (the good oll dos days) |
| 21:13.21 | daeos_ | Kevin`: it didn't say prism54 |
| 21:13.21 | tvynr | valdyn: Right. And the maximum interval is specified by the system's settings. 1/18th of a second isn't good enough to write a good Tetris implementation, though; I found that out the hard way. :) |
| 21:13.41 | Kevin` | daeos_ yes, but google does |
| 21:13.42 | saftsack | lockd: Unknown symbol svc_wake_up |
| 21:13.47 | daeos_ | hmm |
| 21:13.49 | saftsack | couldnt find something informational in google :( |
| 21:13.57 | Kevin` | daeos_ it's not like "netgear" makes wireless stuff |
| 21:14.08 | daeos_ | Kevin`: yeah i suppose |
| 21:14.09 | Kevin` | http://prism54.org/ - if you want to try |
| 21:14.11 | daeos_ | let me fix my name |
| 21:14.18 | daeos | there |
| 21:14.20 | savar | Catachan: acpi=noirq could help |
| 21:14.24 | daeos | let me see |
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| 21:15.24 | daeos | so the GW3887 chipset |
| 21:15.27 | daeos | ok good |
| 21:15.32 | daeos | so i can use native linux drivers then |
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| 21:15.52 | daeos | next step... how to do that |
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| 21:16.10 | valdyn | daeos: first you get a recent kernel |
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| 21:16.22 | daeos | valdyn: you mean 2.6 ? |
| 21:16.22 | kjxxxx | Compile tulip.c by executing "make" command at the prompt. The following command will be executed. I went to the directory with the files and type make at the terminal. It supposed to execute the following command: "gcc -DCARDBUS -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O6 -c tulip.c \ -o tulip_cb.o -I/usr/src/linux/pcmcia-cs-3.1.19/include \ -I/usr/src/linux/include". It came back with the following message, "nothing to be |
| 21:16.23 | Kevin` | i've never used this particular driver (I avoid usb wireless, it has bad RF performance), but there is a channel for it here :) |
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| 21:16.44 | valdyn | Kevin`: why dont you use your kernels build system properly? |
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| 21:16.58 | Kevin` | valdyn -> kjxxxx ? |
| 21:17.01 | daeos | valdyn: you are telling me to upgrade to 2.6 ? |
| 21:17.02 | valdyn | Kevin`: yea |
| 21:17.09 | valdyn | daeos: for wireless, yes |
| 21:17.13 | daeos | hmm |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | kjxxxx: what's wrong with the driver provided ? |
| 21:17.17 | daeos | why not use 2.4 ? |
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| 21:17.27 | Kevin` | why not use 2.6? |
| 21:17.35 | daeos | on a p3 450 ? |
| 21:17.43 | Kevin` | i've run it on far less |
| 21:17.46 | valdyn | daeos: 2.4 isnt faster on small systems |
| 21:17.51 | enouf | kjxxxx: i saw earlier today too .. your message is chopped of at the end .. I see only-> "nothing to be |
| 21:17.52 | kjxxxx | abrotman: the card is not being recognized |
| 21:17.55 | valdyn | daeos: its also not smaller... |
| 21:17.58 | daeos | i see |
| 21:18.04 | daeos | well that would help, only got a 20 GB hdd |
| 21:18.11 | daeos | and 384 MB Ram |
| 21:18.24 | valdyn | daeos: linux doesnt really get biigger, it gets more drivers and more features, that can be disabled |
| 21:18.32 | Kevin` | unless you have like 8mb ram, you shouldn't be worrying about the kernel size much :) |
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| 21:18.55 | abrotman | !elks |
| 21:18.55 | dpkg | it has been said that elks is http://elks.sf.net/ and is the Embeddable Linux Kernel Subset, a project to build a small kernel subset of Linux (which will provide more or less UNIX V7 functionality within the kernel) that can run on machines with limited processor and memory resources. The initial proposed targets are the Intel 8086 and eventually the 286's 16-bit protected mode. |
| 21:18.57 | daeos | well..... then... how would i move from 2.4 to 2.6 without 1. killing my http server right off the bat and removing my mysql server |
| 21:18.59 | valdyn | daeos: and in fact 2.6 is the first series that has many explicit features for tiny systems ( which yours is not ... ) |
| 21:19.00 | Gnea | !2.6 |
| 21:19.00 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6 is /msg dpkg kp or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 or http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html for 2.4 to 2.6 differences long summary |
| 21:19.12 | enouf | daeos: close to what i'm running now .. using 2.6.16-2-686 |
| 21:19.15 | Gnea | !2.4->2.6 |
| 21:19.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 2.4->2.6 is ask me about <sarge upgrade kernel><etch upgrade kernel> |
| 21:19.31 | abrotman | etch only has one now .. but whatever |
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| 21:19.37 | enouf | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 21:19.38 | dpkg | To install Linux 2.6 in Sarge, run # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH; but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific CPU. If you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <386> or <k7> etc. If you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf. |
| 21:19.47 | Kevin` | daeos why would it kill http/mysql? unless you mean restarting the system once |
| 21:19.49 | kjxxxx | enouf: the make returns "Nothing to be done for ALL" |
| 21:19.51 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:20.08 | daeos | ok good, i was worried about a new install is what you guys were saying |
| 21:20.19 | enouf | kjxxxx: heh .. was hoping for more than that |
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| 21:20.29 | Gnea | no way |
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| 21:20.31 | daeos | ok let me try that |
| 21:20.40 | Gnea | as long as the system is stable, should be fine |
| 21:20.46 | Kevin` | unfortunately you DO have to reboot the system to upgrade the kernel, no way around that yet :) |
| 21:20.51 | Kevin` | (kexec ~== reboot) |
| 21:21.19 | daeos | not an issue, i just won't be able to see if it requires keyboard input |
| 21:21.33 | Gnea | daeos: this is a remote upgrade? |
| 21:21.33 | daeos | because its on the other side of my room without a monitor |
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| 21:21.35 | valdyn | kjxxxx: to build a single file in your kernel tree you run 'make path/to/file.ko' |
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| 21:21.49 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 21:21.53 | daeos | i don't have a 60 ft monitor cable |
| 21:22.06 | daeos | hmm but i could move this one |
| 21:22.09 | Gnea | thought maybe it was in another state/country heh |
| 21:22.11 | daeos | nah |
| 21:22.12 | daeos | lol |
| 21:22.18 | Kevin` | well it shouldn't need any input unless it breaks on booting |
| 21:22.20 | Gnea | oh then you don't have a problem |
| 21:22.21 | Gnea | :) |
| 21:22.32 | daeos | only breaks at post, gateways dont like floppy missing |
| 21:22.47 | daeos | so it beeps and says "PRESS ESC!!!! I NEED HELP!!!" |
| 21:22.48 | Gnea | only if the bios thinks that there should be a floppy there |
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| 21:22.56 | Kevin` | gateway-- |
| 21:22.58 | daeos | i've checked bios... |
| 21:23.01 | daeos | can't fix it |
| 21:23.08 | Gnea | yeah |
| 21:23.09 | Kevin` | (on that note, compaq-- dell--, etc..) |
| 21:23.10 | daeos | just have to press ESC afer boot |
| 21:23.12 | Gnea | it's gateway |
| 21:23.16 | Gnea | that's nothing new ;) |
| 21:23.19 | daeos | oh yeah |
| 21:23.20 | kjxxxx | valdyn> there are 5 files in the directory |
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| 21:23.32 | daeos | but hey, $60 for 2 mobos, ram, 2 cpus, 1 case can't beat it |
| 21:23.43 | valdyn | kjxxxx: so? |
| 21:23.43 | Gnea | not bad |
| 21:23.47 | valdyn | kjxxxx: why care? |
| 21:23.51 | Kevin` | the next motherboard I get will hopefully be one that supports linuxbiox |
| 21:23.54 | Kevin` | bios* |
| 21:23.57 | Kevin` | no more of that crap :) |
| 21:24.04 | daeos | never heard of linuxbios |
| 21:24.11 | Kevin` | google does it well |
| 21:24.13 | Gnea | it's new |
| 21:24.15 | wols | Kevin`: unlikely |
| 21:24.15 | kjxxxx | valdyn: I am new to compiling stuff |
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| 21:24.18 | Kevin` | but it's about what it says |
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| 21:24.27 | Gnea | !linuxbios |
| 21:24.28 | dpkg | well, linuxbios is a great way to speed up your boot process. http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/index.html |
| 21:24.34 | valdyn | kjxxxx: we know |
| 21:24.36 | kjxxxx | lol |
| 21:24.40 | intruder | wow i got a brand new bind and fetchmail for my ol'sarge, does any one knows if there was a particular reason ? |
| 21:24.44 | valdyn | kjxxxx: maybe reevaluate if or why you even have to do this |
| 21:24.53 | Kevin` | http://linuxbios.org/Welcome_to_LinuxBIOS |
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| 21:25.04 | wols | intruder: security.debian.org |
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| 21:25.22 | intruder | yea, thats what im actually reading |
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| 21:25.30 | Kevin` | wols unlikely? there aren't any made that do this? if i'm buying one i'm looking for it specifically mind you |
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| 21:25.48 | wols | Kevin`: there is currently no desktop hoard that can |
| 21:25.50 | intruder | Gnea: this is a bad link |
| 21:25.56 | wols | there are a few Tyan serverclass board tho |
| 21:25.59 | h3sp4wn | Kevin`: I am hoping I can get it working on mine (the model that is supported is almost the same as mine except it has sli) |
| 21:26.02 | mikes1 | Rc2 still available? |
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| 21:26.17 | freetos | are all packages available unsigned? |
| 21:26.24 | Kevin` | serverboard works fine as desktop |
| 21:26.32 | h3sp4wn | wols: That gigabyte one is working enough that has had all the recent press |
| 21:26.32 | daeos | i am right in installing for 386 right? p3-450 |
| 21:26.41 | wols | Kevin`: price. and cpus. and RAM |
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| 21:27.03 | wols | h3sp4wn: linuxbios still doesn't list it as fully working afaik |
| 21:27.14 | wols | and bios is kinda harder to remove again than a bad OS |
| 21:27.22 | Kevin` | daeos I think that's probably 686 or so. (386 will work thoguh), I forget where the cuttofs are |
| 21:27.28 | wols | daeos: yes |
| 21:27.29 | mikes1 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ,Unable to d/load? |
| 21:27.39 | wols | daeos: later you want a -686 kernel |
| 21:27.41 | h3sp4wn | wols: Its dual bios |
| 21:27.46 | Gnea | !linuxbios |
| 21:27.46 | dpkg | i guess linuxbios is a great way to speed up your boot process. http://linuxbios.org/Welcome_to_LinuxBIOS |
| 21:27.51 | Gnea | intruder: better? :) |
| 21:27.55 | intruder | Gnea: yea :P |
| 21:27.58 | Kevin` | mikes1 works for me |
| 21:28.01 | daeos | um |
| 21:28.10 | daeos | i thought 686 was P4 |
| 21:28.18 | mikes1 | Kevin`: strange |
| 21:28.20 | enouf | p-pro and better |
| 21:28.22 | daeos | ok |
| 21:28.28 | daeos | oh right |
| 21:28.38 | wols | mikes1: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso loads fine |
| 21:28.41 | enouf | daeos: apt-cache show kernver |
| 21:28.49 | daeos | 386-sx,dx , 486-sx,dx and then p= 586 and ppro=686 |
| 21:28.53 | Flynth | guys, how to convince debian installer (from woody businesscard image) to install from the local ftp site. There seem to be no option to select the mirror type (ft or http) and it just tries to conenect to http port |
| 21:28.55 | daeos | right? |
| 21:29.00 | enouf | right |
| 21:29.02 | kjxxxx | valdyn: these are the files in the directory that the makefile are using: tulip.c, pci-scan.h, kerncomp.h, tulip_cb.o, makefile. |
| 21:29.08 | daeos | so i could install 686 then |
| 21:29.13 | wols | Flynth: woody? |
| 21:29.14 | enouf | yep |
| 21:29.25 | Flynth | sorry, i mean stable |
| 21:29.27 | valdyn | kjxxxx: and you are trying to build what? |
| 21:29.32 | Kevin` | daeos that computer is new by most standards ;) |
| 21:29.32 | valdyn | kjxxxx: tulip.ko? |
| 21:29.34 | mikes1 | Kevin`: Timeout on server? |
| 21:29.44 | Kevin` | mikes1 not for me |
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| 21:29.51 | daeos | but i noticed that the thingy apt was saying at the top... was to make sure about grub |
| 21:29.53 | enouf | daeos: note what i said earlier --> "[17:17:37] <enouf> daeos: close to what i'm running now .. using 2.6.16-2-686 " |
| 21:30.00 | kjxxxx | I guess so. |
| 21:30.02 | valdyn | kjxxxx: i think your whole process may be flawed, it doesnt really make sense to build a single driver |
| 21:30.03 | daeos | i see |
| 21:30.04 | Flynth | whatever it is called these days |
| 21:30.07 | wols | sorry but a P3 is not new :P |
| 21:30.11 | enouf | daeos: what i didn't make clear was i meant close to your hardware specs |
| 21:30.14 | valdyn | kjxxxx: that driver wont work with a different kernel |
| 21:30.27 | wols | Flynth: what does it want to download? |
| 21:30.33 | Kevin` | daeos if you break grub you would need a keyboard/monitor, or serial, to fix it, but it handles all that automatically usually |
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| 21:30.41 | daeos | ok |
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| 21:30.55 | Flynth | well the installer starts and it asks to specify which country i'm in to select the mirror to download installation files |
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| 21:31.00 | enouf | daeos: one mnor correction .. it's 2.6.16-2-686 |
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| 21:31.02 | valdyn | kjxxxx: use a debian kernel that contains your driver already |
| 21:31.04 | Flynth | I want to use my local ftp mirror |
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| 21:31.20 | enouf | heh .. oh wait .. I didn' tmake a mistake :-P |
| 21:31.23 | wols | Flynth: guess you need either etch rc2 (that can use ftp) or a netinstaller |
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| 21:31.32 | enouf | !smack me |
| 21:31.39 | denisbr | Hi, Anybody a tool or msn client where I can see if I am ignored by a contact ? |
| 21:31.54 | daeos | ok i'll try 686 then |
| 21:31.58 | Flynth | the weir thing is that it tries to download but only via http |
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| 21:32.02 | Kevin` | the tulip network driver IS in the kernel, since 2.4 at least, wonder why your building it seperately? |
| 21:32.12 | Flynth | it never asks what is the mirror type |
| 21:32.13 | wols | Flynth: apparently it's all the (old) installer can |
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| 21:32.22 | daeos | hmm its trying to install lilo too |
| 21:32.35 | rej | where can i find a list of default kernel drivers ? |
| 21:32.37 | daeos | back to my last question... will it break grub and use lilo? |
| 21:32.39 | wols | daeos: etch |
| 21:32.40 | wols | ? |
| 21:32.42 | daeos | no |
| 21:32.43 | daeos | 686 |
| 21:32.44 | rej | *modules |
| 21:32.45 | Flynth | wols: thanks for your help, I'll install apache on my mirror than |
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| 21:32.52 | daeos | 2.6 |
| 21:32.53 | Kevin` | rej make menuconfig :) |
| 21:32.59 | Kevin` | unless you mean debian stuff |
| 21:33.01 | valdyn | rej: what exactly are you trying to find? |
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| 21:33.22 | wols | rej: /boot/config-* |
| 21:33.46 | enouf | daeos: did you install kernel-image-2.6-686 (meta pkg) .. or a specific kerenel version? |
| 21:33.48 | wols | daeos: do you have lilo installed? |
| 21:34.02 | daeos | i do not have lilo installed |
| 21:34.04 | daeos | i am using grub |
| 21:34.08 | daeos | and i installed ..... |
| 21:34.10 | daeos | well |
| 21:34.11 | daeos | i put in |
| 21:34.16 | enouf | we gathered as much already |
| 21:34.30 | Xanos | #artwork ... enjoy =) |
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| 21:34.31 | daeos | sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:34.38 | daeos | and its telling me its going to install lilo |
| 21:34.39 | wols | then it can't overwrite grub since there is ni /sbin/lilo |
| 21:34.46 | enouf | did you run apt-get update prior? |
| 21:34.50 | daeos | yes |
| 21:34.55 | daeos | recently i have |
| 21:34.58 | daeos | let me do it again |
| 21:35.05 | daeos | before i do kernel upgradee? |
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| 21:35.28 | kjxxxx | kevin I am building it seperately because my network card is not recognized by it |
| 21:35.29 | enouf | I know pickcoder filed a bug report about this |
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| 21:35.46 | freetos | does etch defualt config permit root login via ssh? |
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| 21:35.51 | daeos | ok update done |
| 21:35.52 | stew | freetos: yes |
| 21:35.56 | enouf | erm .. nmaybe it was it was when it wanted to remove the running kernel .. apologies |
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| 21:36.03 | freetos | brr, where to change it |
| 21:36.10 | Kevin` | kjxxxx as in it's a supported card but not in the list? why not fire off an message to lkml asking them to add it (with the required info) |
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| 21:36.13 | stew | freetos: man sshd_config |
| 21:36.20 | daeos | Kevin`: so im ok to install it now right? |
| 21:36.25 | freetos | i didn't see it /etc |
| 21:36.28 | daeos | 2.6 686 |
| 21:36.41 | enouf | daeos: you can always use apt-get -s install <pkg> .. as the s == simulation |
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| 21:37.03 | daeos | enouf: i don't know what that will tell me |
| 21:37.19 | enouf | daeos: it'll tell apt not to follow through |
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| 21:37.44 | daeos | ok wlel |
| 21:37.49 | daeos | it says it will want to install, |
| 21:37.52 | enouf | though you may even have the Y and N to proceed .. i find it useful when checking things out |
| 21:38.25 | Flynth | OK, i've found a solution to use ftp with it. Although it doesn't give me a choice between http or ftp, if i choose to go back, and go to "select mirror" again, it asks for the mirror type. :) |
| 21:38.33 | enouf | daeos: try apt-get -s install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 21:38.41 | daeos | kernel-image-2.6-686 and kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 21:38.50 | Nyt | hi |
| 21:38.54 | Nyt | i have problem ;-) |
| 21:38.57 | enouf | bah ,.. run aptitude then |
| 21:39.04 | Nyt | i need to do two screens for my devices |
| 21:39.09 | Nyt | one for monitor, normal, with compiz |
| 21:39.15 | enouf | daeos: wait .. maybe you should upgrade 1st .. check that |
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| 21:39.21 | Nyt | second for Tvout, without windows, oonly MPlayer |
| 21:39.22 | Nyt | how |
| 21:39.24 | daeos | upgrade .. .ok |
| 21:39.27 | Catachan | savar, sorry, I went to get dinner, what was it you said?(or was it stew?) |
| 21:39.31 | enouf | daeos: use -s |
| 21:39.45 | daeos | it is going to just upgrade openoffice |
| 21:39.48 | daeos | nothing more |
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| 21:40.19 | Nyt | pls help me |
| 21:40.22 | Nyt | i have NVidia card |
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| 21:40.36 | enouf | hrm .. buggy .. se what aptitude -s install kernel-blah says .. though not sure if the -s works or it's a diff option letter |
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| 21:40.48 | mystic_jade | i'm sorry the question but when i try to install google earth on etch the fonts looks cruisel ... "only cames charcaters" someone knows why this is happening?! |
| 21:40.57 | markybob | Nyt, then join #nvidia or #xorg they're both far more relevant |
| 21:41.07 | SeanTater | Is unfs3, nfs-user-server or nfs-kernel-server best in cases where performance is not critical? |
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| 21:41.23 | daeos | i'll just try to install the package |
| 21:41.28 | daeos | and cross my fingers |
| 21:41.33 | enouf | daeos: what does dpkg -l lilo* say ? |
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| 21:41.38 | daeos | ok |
| 21:41.44 | abrotman | does /etc/lilo.conf exist ? |
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| 21:42.00 | Kevin` | SeanTater i've just always used the in-kernel server, unless you have a reason not ti |
| 21:42.02 | Kevin` | to* |
| 21:42.06 | enouf | i think so .. i recall having this issue way back when |
| 21:42.10 | daeos | abrotman: no |
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| 21:42.25 | daeos | enouf: Version <none> |
| 21:42.28 | enouf | but I bet dpkg lists are not purged or something |
| 21:42.46 | enouf | daeos: even with the * ? |
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| 21:43.09 | daeos | lilo <none> | lilo-config <none> |
| 21:43.15 | daeos | lilo is not installed |
| 21:43.19 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to purge the list of packages that dpkg knows about |
| 21:43.36 | enouf | daeos: does /etc/kernel-img.conf contain the correct lines like dpkg asked you much earlier? |
| 21:44.18 | daeos | !sarge upgrade kernel |
| 21:44.18 | dpkg | To install Linux 2.6 in Sarge, run # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH; but replace $ARCH with one of {386,686,k7,ppc,etc...} for your specific CPU. If you don't know which arch is correct, ask me about <386> or <k7> etc. If you use grub, make sure that you have "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" in /etc/kernel-img.conf. |
| 21:44.27 | daeos | no |
| 21:44.33 | daeos | wiat |
| 21:44.34 | daeos | it does |
| 21:44.39 | daeos | at the end |
| 21:44.52 | daeos | yep they are there already |
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| 21:45.01 | daeos | then im ok right? |
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| 21:45.31 | enouf | daeos: you should be .. yes .. no guarantees .. but |
| 21:45.41 | daeos | right |
| 21:45.44 | daeos | understood |
| 21:45.59 | enouf | daeos: have you meesed with menu.lst update-grub araea settings? |
| 21:46.05 | daeos | nope |
| 21:46.10 | daeos | never |
| 21:46.12 | enouf | okie .. go for it |
| 21:46.24 | savar | Catachan: acpi=noirq or noapic or nolapi as kernel boot parameters |
| 21:46.35 | daeos | working now.... |
| 21:47.05 | enouf | daeos: you should get a screen to reconfigure your kernel-image while installing .. if not run dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.8-xxx |
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| 21:47.19 | daeos | ok |
| 21:47.37 | enouf | daeos: question .. ok? |
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| 21:47.55 | daeos | not a question just saying ok understood |
| 21:47.58 | enouf | why are you and i the only ones talking .. :-P |
| 21:48.02 | daeos | oh |
| 21:48.03 | enouf | ? |
| 21:48.03 | daeos | hehe |
| 21:48.21 | daeos | because everyone else is probably looking at other channels |
| 21:48.22 | enouf | daeos: you ARE wearing your tinfoil hat .. right? |
| 21:48.40 | daeos | enouf: oh yeah, definatly |
| 21:48.44 | Catachan | savar, I need to enter them into what file? |
| 21:48.46 | enouf | heh |
| 21:49.08 | daeos | ftp.debian.org is moving slow -.- |
| 21:49.23 | tvynr | How would I go about determining who is responsible for the hardware interrupts on my system? Is there a way I could associate these interrupts with a specific process or whatever? |
| 21:49.35 | enouf | Catachan: at the grub shell appended to the root= line or in menu.lst |
| 21:49.47 | Catachan | so when I boot next time |
| 21:49.48 | Catachan | ? |
| 21:49.49 | Catachan | okay |
| 21:49.57 | Catachan | I need to reboot then |
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| 21:49.59 | enouf | Catachan: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 21:50.28 | enouf | Catachan: tehn editor /boot/grub/menu.lst and append whatever kernel params you need |
| 21:51.02 | markybob | tvynr, uh...that would be the kernel. and no. |
| 21:51.14 | daeos | ooo |
| 21:51.16 | daeos | it finished |
| 21:51.31 | daeos | reboot now eh? |
| 21:51.38 | daeos | i didn't get a screen |
| 21:51.41 | Kevin` | tvynr you can have the kernel notify a user process, of coruse |
| 21:52.03 | enouf | Catachan: or yhou can do it while booting yes .. use press 'e' to edit then up/down arrows to highlight "kernel" line, and append a the end of root= part |
| 21:52.13 | tvynr | markybob: 'kay... I thought that might've sounded a bit silly. To clarify, if a specific program were doing a bunch of stuff that caused my hardware to push really hard on the system (i.e., lots of intense reading from an optical disc and writing to a large chunk RAID5), is there a way I can find the culprit? |
| 21:52.36 | markybob | tvynr, top ? |
| 21:52.39 | enouf | daeos: yes reboot ..it should come up after rebooting if not automagically done |
| 21:53.07 | enouf | daeos: it has no idea yet that you are about to run that kernel :-P .. AFAIK |
| 21:53.10 | tvynr | Kevin`: Yeah. See, what I'm wondering now is whether qemu or VMWare screwed up the system clock by initiating a lot of HIs somehow. The system was at ~60% HIs and I have no idea why. |
| 21:53.13 | daeos | ok.... cause i did dpkg-reconfigure, and it did something but nothing is a blue screen |
| 21:53.20 | evilbulgarian | hi, where do i want to put global environment varialbes like for java path and etc.. in /etc/environment? |
| 21:53.21 | tvynr | markybob: What in top would show me who is at fault? |
| 21:53.28 | daeos | ok, rebooting then |
| 21:53.35 | daeos | cross those fingers and fix your metal hat |
| 21:53.37 | markybob | tvynr, tell you which process is going nuts |
| 21:53.41 | enouf | daeos: keep you older one around for a while ok? |
| 21:53.46 | Catachan | so, is this right? # kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro acpi=noirq |
| 21:53.51 | daeos | yeah lol |
| 21:53.57 | enouf | Catachan: correct |
| 21:53.58 | daeos | ok, coming back after reboot |
| 21:54.03 | tvynr | evilbulgarian: For your normal user account? ~/.bash_profile |
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| 21:54.07 | Catachan | okay, I guess I am gonna reboot then |
| 21:54.12 | Catachan | be back soon! |
| 21:54.13 | daeos | last question |
| 21:54.13 | Catachan | lol |
| 21:54.15 | Kevin` | tvynr having the kernel stuck in interrupt handlers all the time could indeed do that I suppose, which device/irq is causing the trouble? |
| 21:54.15 | daeos | i coudl never get deb to reboot |
| 21:54.15 | Catachan | bai! |
| 21:54.17 | daeos | err |
| 21:54.20 | daeos | shutdown |
| 21:54.22 | daeos | i've done... |
| 21:54.24 | evilbulgarian | tvynr: not for locall account globbaly for all users? |
| 21:54.36 | tvynr | markybob: The HI time consumption will show as CPU usage on a per-process basis? |
| 21:54.40 | daeos | sudo shutdown and put in the time thingy |
| 21:54.42 | tvynr | evilbulgarian: I put mine in /etc/profile |
| 21:54.44 | daeos | and it would keep giving me errors |
| 21:54.48 | daeos | but i'll try reboot instead this time |
| 21:54.49 | enouf | daeos: there's a pkg called bootclean scripts or somwething that clears that up IIRC |
| 21:54.52 | daeos | o |
| 21:54.53 | daeos | i see |
| 21:55.01 | daeos | ok let me do reboot then |
| 21:55.03 | daeos | be back |
| 21:55.07 | tvynr | Kevin`: I'm still trying to figure out what happened to my system clock. So let's pretend it was /dev/rtc. :-P |
| 21:55.18 | Kevin` | hardware interrupts do not run related to a user process (ever), so that wouldn't be useful :) |
| 21:55.26 | tvynr | Kevin`: Frequently, /dev/md0 will do this too... but I think I set the chunk size on my RAID5 too large. |
| 21:55.34 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.44 | Kevin` | on mine the number just goes up all the time it seems :) |
| 21:56.09 | Kevin` | as in like 1000 per second |
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| 21:56.31 | Kevin` | which makes sense for a timer interrupt |
| 21:56.49 | tvynr | Kevin`: Where'd you get that output? |
| 21:56.56 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:57.30 | Kevin` | lol, i'm running qemu though, so results may be skewed :D |
| 21:57.35 | Kevin` | let me close that |
| 21:57.55 | enouf | 1000HZ in kernel config yes? |
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| 21:58.01 | Kevin` | probably. |
| 21:58.12 | Kevin` | hmm, I don't get any rtc interrupts while qemu isn't running |
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| 21:58.20 | Kevin` | (timer(0), of course..) |
| 21:58.31 | Kevin` | so it must be doing some stuffs with it |
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| 21:59.20 | enouf | tvynr: does you $USER happen to have a hwclock.sh file ? |
| 21:59.21 | Kevin` | on this computer, my time is always off, though. I have the settings messed up somewhere and never bothered to fix it |
| 21:59.23 | tvynr | Kevin`: Right. I'm just trying to figure out if it could've been the cause of everything going spare on my box earlier. :-P I'm prolly stressing too much over this. |
| 21:59.34 | tvynr | enouf: Not as far as I'm aware. |
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| 21:59.40 | freetos | whatzup with dat no package signing?? |
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| 22:01.06 | GoAuLd | i noticed, 1000HZ works bad with a preemptible kernel (in my case) |
| 22:01.06 | enouf | tvynr: my ~ does .. no qemu or anything though .. and it's been there since Sarge IIRC, now on testing/unstable for wquite some time |
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| 22:01.07 | Ronin | freetos: /topic |
| 22:01.08 | tvynr | enouf: I have no such file. |
| 22:01.08 | Kevin` | CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y |
| 22:01.08 | Kevin` | CONFIG_HZ=250 |
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| 22:01.08 | Kevin` | for the record |
| 22:01.08 | daeos | yipee! |
| 22:01.08 | Ronin | thanks enouf never could speak that |
| 22:01.18 | freetos | i was using synaptic package manager using etch's defualt repos and there were packages that were not signed, is that the norm? |
| 22:01.18 | enouf | areway ouryay ettinggay isthay oninRay ? |
| 22:01.19 | GoAuLd | i noticed speed improvement with 1000HZ and few preemtible points |
| 22:01.21 | enouf | hehe |
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| 22:01.39 | GoAuLd | couse the option "many preemtible points" slowed down all the kernel |
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| 22:01.47 | enouf | neither could I .. heh .. Jive is 10x worse |
| 22:01.52 | daeos | enouf: it worked |
| 22:01.57 | daeos | im now on 2.6 |
| 22:02.02 | tvynr | Kevin`: I'm using stock 2.6.18-3 atm. CONFIG_HZ=250; no CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY. |
| 22:02.04 | enouf | !win daeos |
| 22:02.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, daeos! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 22:02.18 | daeos | so now... i can install ndiswrapper? |
| 22:02.22 | scv | ... |
| 22:02.24 | enouf | daeos: good news ;-) |
| 22:02.38 | daeos | you know... that 'good news' |
| 22:02.44 | daeos | reminds me of Moraffs world |
| 22:02.49 | enouf | daeos: I guess it's time to try .. apt-get update .. see what a -s upgrade says |
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| 22:02.55 | daeos | ok |
| 22:03.15 | Kevin` | daeos it's odd imo your installing ndiswrapper on a headless system.. I could understand using wireless for a router or such, but ndiswrapper sucks for ap usage. unless you just have a wireless-attached server? |
| 22:03.40 | daeos | no no |
| 22:03.46 | daeos | its for... personal entertainment |
| 22:03.56 | daeos | i have my own wireless router |
| 22:04.03 | daeos | and am wanting to learn how to crap wep |
| 22:04.07 | enouf | daeos: I leave you to my wireless guru bretheren .. I know poop about wifi config and binary blobules |
| 22:04.07 | daeos | crack* |
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| 22:04.10 | Kevin` | linux wireless router > * |
| 22:04.11 | Catachan | okay, that didn't work, if I use the old configuration with a 2.6.20 kernel, will it break parts of Debian? |
| 22:04.58 | enouf | aircrack-ng? |
| 22:04.58 | defcon8 | Kevin`, belkin54g is so |
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| 22:04.58 | Kevin` | daeos windows drivers don't support wireless packet capture. you MUST use a native linux driver for that |
| 22:04.59 | enouf | or is it airsnort-ng? |
| 22:04.59 | enouf | hrm |
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| 22:05.09 | daeos | ok... then i hope i can use native drivers |
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| 22:05.18 | daeos | and... how would i , kevin, go about using them? |
| 22:06.00 | Kevin` | iwconfig interface mode Monitor, tshark -ni interface, or so |
| 22:06.12 | enouf | daeos: /msg dpkg wireless , and visit that french guys site (jean) .. mucho info about limitations within chipsets, and running under ndsiwrapper as far as promiscuos mode is concerned (atleast under 802.11b anywyas) |
| 22:06.19 | frex | my mplayer-plugin mysteriously "stopped" when trying to play streaming windows media files. Does anyone know the solution? |
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| 22:06.55 | samuel | hello all |
| 22:07.00 | daeos | enouf: ok |
| 22:07.09 | irule | where in make menuconfig exactly is iptables support? :s |
| 22:07.24 | irule | where in make menuconfig exactly is iptables support? :s |
| 22:07.28 | Kevin` | if I get disconnected from the internet in a few seconds, blame an old version of madwifi (the best wireless driver ever =p) |
| 22:08.14 | Kevin` | # tethereal -ni ath0 |
| 22:08.14 | Kevin` | Capturing on ath0 |
| 22:08.14 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.14 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:08.18 | samuel | anyone know of any howto for setting up a server that will do on the fly transcoding to flash videos and stream these videos? |
| 22:08.22 | Kevin` | heh |
| 22:08.23 | enouf | ouch |
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| 22:08.28 | tvynr | lol |
| 22:08.29 | Kevin` | anyway, if you want to actually use the data, save it to a file, of course |
| 22:08.30 | daeos | Kevin`: should i do use that same thing? |
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| 22:08.39 | enouf | !milk Kevin` |
| 22:08.43 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 22:08.46 | Kevin` | eep! |
| 22:08.50 | tvynr | hi fas3r |
| 22:08.54 | enouf | haha |
| 22:09.08 | fas3r | it's possible to uninstall a driver who are compil in the kernel .. :s ? |
| 22:09.26 | Kevin` | not normally |
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| 22:09.37 | fas3r | if you prefer i have the default orinoco driver but i want to install an other version .. |
| 22:09.51 | Catachan | okay, will compileing my own kernel break anything in debian? |
| 22:09.58 | enouf | Kevin`: next time try piping the output to | fmt -w 2000 .. then copy and paste that |
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| 22:10.03 | Kevin` | Catachan nothign you wouldn't expect, works fine |
| 22:10.09 | tvynr | fas3r: If the driver is compiled into the kernel, you can't remove it short of recompiling and reloading the kernel (AFAIK). |
| 22:10.28 | daeos | Kevin`: now that i have 2.6 .... whats next? |
| 22:10.30 | fas3r | ok |
| 22:10.30 | enouf | Kevin`: amphi showed me that trick recently .. but only hinted at it ;-) |
| 22:10.55 | doney | i have a GPG error at apt-get update, is there anything i can do? |
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| 22:11.25 | Kevin` | doney make sure your clock is set correctly, and !2007 key, etc |
| 22:11.26 | enouf | doney: what's the exact error .. see /topic .. pasteBIN error message |
| 22:11.27 | fas3r | tvynr: in first i make rmmode , in second i install the driver and for finish i modprobe the new driver it's this ? |
| 22:11.29 | daeos | ... what the heck is this usb device? GlobespanVirata Cohiba 3887 rev0 |
| 22:11.46 | enouf | oooo .. there's a 2007 key factoid ? .. whert where |
| 22:11.51 | Catachan | Kevin`, what should I expect? I mean, if I compile a new 2.6.20.* Kernel, I can expect it to not mess up debian? |
| 22:11.56 | tvynr | fas3r: If you've compiled the driver into the kernel, I don't think rmmod will work. |
| 22:12.09 | enouf | daeos: no idea .. is that from lsudb? |
| 22:12.13 | enouf | er lsusb? |
| 22:12.14 | Kevin` | there was last I looked for it.. maybe there isn't :( |
| 22:12.24 | daeos | its from a php script that tells me sysinfo |
| 22:12.27 | daeos | let me msg you the link |
| 22:12.29 | Kevin` | Catachan you can expect debian to work |
| 22:12.36 | Catachan | okay |
| 22:12.45 | Kevin` | Catachan unless your using something odd like devfs |
| 22:12.51 | Ronin | assuming you compile it correctly of course |
| 22:13.14 | enouf | daeos: anyways run update-pciids, and apt-get install init-scripts (<-- that's the bootclean scripts if not installed already) |
| 22:13.30 | beoba | whats all this stuff in the modeline for: +JLPcflnt 30,3 #debian-overflow 751 |
| 22:13.40 | enouf | daeos: might as well run updatedb too now |
| 22:13.43 | daeos | right |
| 22:13.51 | daeos | still waiting for upgrade to finish |
| 22:13.53 | daeos | i'll do that in a second |
| 22:14.02 | enouf | hehe .. you never said anything about it |
| 22:14.04 | doney | does anyone know what font package the font "clean" is a part of? |
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| 22:14.20 | enouf | fc-cache? |
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| 22:14.39 | fas3r | tvynr:and if i make the barbar method .. i copy the new driver in the /lib/modules/2.6.X/kernel/etc/etc :) ? |
| 22:14.49 | enouf | fc-cache is apart of font-config |
| 22:14.55 | Kevin` | fas3r anywhere in /lib/modules. |
| 22:14.57 | Kevin` | erm |
| 22:15.00 | Kevin` | fas3r anywhere in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 22:15.01 | enouf | erm fontconfig |
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| 22:15.28 | tvynr | Kevin`: Thanks; I felt a bit in over my head there. :) |
| 22:15.43 | Kevin` | fas3r if I make my own and they don't have an install script, I just put in root of that dir |
| 22:16.02 | fas3r | Kevin`: ok |
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| 22:16.38 | enouf | Catachan: i can think of atleast 20,001 ways to mess up a kernel compile .. how about j00? |
| 22:16.57 | doney | does anyone know what font package clean is a part of? |
| 22:16.57 | ManuP | can i write a script which stops process-id N for 10 seconds, every X seconds? |
| 22:17.03 | Catachan | sure |
| 22:17.13 | enouf | !tell doney -about search |
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| 22:17.55 | enouf | man sleep? |
| 22:18.07 | Kevin` | I don't think sleep by itself would do that |
| 22:18.07 | Ronin | sleep would be nice |
| 22:18.21 | Ronin | oh wrong kind of sleep :) |
| 22:18.29 | enouf | emtwined with a crontab set to run every minute? |
| 22:18.52 | Kevin` | you could use 'sleep' too, to set it to run |
| 22:18.53 | ManuP | enouf, it is an already running process. it should make a "Pause" every 10 minuits. |
| 22:18.54 | enouf | !lullaby Ronin |
| 22:18.57 | Kevin` | but how do you start/stop it |
| 22:19.09 | ManuP | then go along, at same position, without a new start |
| 22:19.13 | Kevin` | bash can do it with job control, but i'm not sure if that's scriptable |
| 22:19.14 | Ronin | enouf: thanks but i havent had enough beer yet to sleep, been a shitty week, |
| 22:19.38 | Ronin | humm no lullaby from dpkg :( |
| 22:19.44 | ManuP | gnome-system-monitor allows to stop a process and let it work again. but i must do it with the mous, i want to automate it. |
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| 22:20.05 | enouf | ManuP: you probably want to restart it with the new settings taking affect ,, also think about running it as nohup, to bg it if you like .. or start it from screen |
| 22:20.14 | daeos | what did running update-pciids do? |
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| 22:20.34 | lotus-blade | can anyone help me get a pen drive to work? |
| 22:20.35 | enouf | daeos: updated you PCI devices list |
| 22:20.46 | ManuP | enouf, no, it wouldnt be the same. trust me. i want to pause a specific pid for X seconds. then let it compute again. |
| 22:20.55 | enouf | daeos: so lspci shows correct/informative output |
| 22:21.56 | enouf | ManuP: I don;t know .. see http://wooledge.org/mywiki//ProcessManagement perhaps |
| 22:22.01 | ManuP | enouf, like you have a running script and you press CTRL-Z. it normally pauses |
| 22:22.09 | enouf | ManuP: bah http://wooledge.org/mywiki/ProcessManagement perhaps |
| 22:22.35 | enouf | mayes it suspends, then bg %1, then |
| 22:22.47 | enouf | erm s/mayes/Manup |
| 22:23.15 | \amethyst | ManuP: PID=whatever; SLEEPFOR=10; WAKEFOR=$((X - 10)); while true; do kill -STOP $PID; sleep $SLEEPFOR; kill -CONT $PID; sleep $WAKEFOR; done |
| 22:23.27 | lotus-blade | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
| 22:23.27 | lotus-blade | process 3975: applications must not close shared connections - see dbus_connection_close() docs. this is a bug in the application. |
| 22:23.46 | enouf | ManuP: see that url .. also see tip #8 here http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/how_to_linux_and_open_source.htm |
| 22:23.50 | lotus-blade | error: could not execute pmount |
| 22:24.18 | \amethyst | ManuP: assuming bash |
| 22:24.24 | lotus-blade | alcore flash disk |
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| 22:24.56 | enouf | daeos: you having a USB device issue? /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 22:25.00 | ManuP | \amethyst, thanks for your answer. it is (i think) what i needed. |
| 22:25.01 | archville | hi, if i see this: |
| 22:25.09 | daeos | oh and... |
| 22:25.10 | archville | root 27940 0.0 0.0 1560 100 ? S 00:18 0:00 ./a.out |
| 22:25.12 | archville | on ps -aux |
| 22:25.16 | ManuP | enouf, didnt find sth. useful in wooledge. |
| 22:25.20 | daeos | enouf: init-scripts wasn't found |
| 22:25.21 | archville | ¿ Whats exactly the memory usage for a.out ? |
| 22:25.29 | ManuP | enouf, you could add \amethyst post? |
| 22:25.45 | archville | 1560... bytes ? kbytes ? |
| 22:25.55 | enouf | daeos: sorry it's one word initscripts |
| 22:26.00 | daeos | oh ok |
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| 22:26.15 | daeos | its already installed then |
| 22:26.30 | daeos | ok, now that thats is done |
| 22:26.35 | enouf | daeos: ok .. did it recently get installed with the upgrade? |
| 22:26.45 | daeos | im now trying to get a usb wifi adapter installed |
| 22:26.51 | daeos | enouf: no |
| 22:27.01 | \amethyst | ManuP: That might not work properly if the program reads from a terminal |
| 22:27.03 | doney | what is the white cursor package called? |
| 22:27.04 | daeos | enouf: i think it was already installed |
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| 22:27.39 | enouf | daeos: /msg dpkg {rcconf, sysv-rc-rconf, update-rc.d} for more info about startup/shutdown .. runlevels/services |
| 22:28.32 | daeos | isn't there a component that monitors cpu temp ? |
| 22:28.33 | enouf | daeos: i notice the ifupdown scripts .. i recall older knoppix 3.6 wouldn't shutdown on my older 350MHz pc |
| 22:28.39 | daeos | i see |
| 22:28.41 | daeos | well... |
| 22:28.45 | daeos | with sudo shutdown... |
| 22:28.51 | daeos | it keep getting a time value error |
| 22:28.58 | enouf | daeos: lm_sensors? |
| 22:28.59 | daeos | and telling me to put in the time |
| 22:29.00 | \amethyst | daeos: shutdown now |
| 22:29.23 | daeos | \amethyst: that doesn't work |
| 22:29.30 | daeos | \amethyst: i would get an error |
| 22:29.37 | daeos | but i'll try again later |
| 22:29.37 | \amethyst | daeos: what error? |
| 22:29.41 | daeos | hmm |
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| 22:29.45 | ManuP | \amethyst, the process dont continue with kill -CONT pid |
| 22:29.46 | daeos | can i cancel it? |
| 22:29.58 | enouf | my system used to "sound" like it was shutting down, but it really didn't fully |
| 22:30.06 | \amethyst | ManuP: is it reading from the terminal? |
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| 22:30.48 | ManuP | \amethyst, the script itself could, but i dindnt set the option |
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| 22:32.18 | enouf | I "think" it was only the PSU fan that remained running .. daeos , do you have (are you using) any ACPI kernel boot options? |
| 22:32.19 | \amethyst | ManuP: what's the process you're stopping? |
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| 22:33.30 | ManuP | \amethyst, i tryed with the program top. with it, it didnt work. with the actual program it works. |
| 22:33.36 | SeanTater | Comp. A can ping Comp. B. But B cannot ping A, in fact, nmap does not find anything at all. Yet there are no firewalls in place. What is going on? |
| 22:33.37 | ManuP | \amethyst, thanks |
| 22:33.43 | \amethyst | ManuP: because top reads from the terminal :) |
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| 22:35.21 | tobias | is there a howto somewhere for getting a cross compiler running on debian? |
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| 22:35.33 | daeos | enouf: install lmsensors in annoying |
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| 22:35.42 | tobias | (ppc 32bit, trying to build a 64bit kernel) |
| 22:35.52 | daeos | enouf: i need to update my rep for 2.6 right? |
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| 22:36.13 | ManuP | \amethyst, you people are great. i wonder, if i would ever get so much experience with linux. |
| 22:36.28 | enouf | daeos: my system stopped having any shutdown issues once sarge was installed (it was only with knoppix livecd 3.6 anyway .. win98 always worked) .. but i used to get no acpi options listed in dmesg output (Your BIOS is too old .. 2K crap, even though the BIOS itself is dated after 2K) .. but using acpi=force as a kernel param, I get full acpi output/settings/lisitngs at dmesg now .. though admittedly, acpi options for suspend ahven't been |
| 22:36.28 | enouf | perfect .. the system shutsdown cleanly though |
| 22:36.55 | mystic_jade | someone knows some good place where have morpg to linux?! |
| 22:37.06 | enouf | daeos: yeah lm_sensors is that |
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| 22:37.24 | daeos | lm_sensors or lmsensors, or lm-sensors? |
| 22:37.41 | enouf | daeos: yep .. apt-get update {&& apt-get upgrade} if you like |
| 22:37.54 | enouf | all the same AFAIK |
| 22:37.57 | frankr | If I have an older computer that doesn't have a CDrom drive or usb is there any easy way to install Debian on it? |
| 22:38.09 | daeos | well dang it |
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| 22:38.20 | enouf | daeos: even modles display differently in lsmod from what modprobe says .. the __ or the -- |
| 22:38.21 | daeos | apt keeps telling me that lmsensors does not exist |
| 22:38.38 | SeanTater | tobias: this maybe? ./configure --target=x86_64 |
| 22:38.39 | enouf | even modules* |
| 22:38.40 | frankr | lm-sensors |
| 22:38.44 | daeos | that too |
| 22:38.45 | SeanTater | tobias: not sure though, kernel may be different |
| 22:38.46 | enouf | daeos: I said _ or - not no space :-P |
| 22:38.47 | daeos | lm-sensors also |
| 22:38.53 | daeos | i did... |
| 22:38.56 | enouf | okie .. then it doesn't |
| 22:39.02 | daeos | lm-_ sensors |
| 22:39.03 | h3sp4wn | frankr: floppies ? /msg dpkg boot floppies |
| 22:39.03 | daeos | all 3 |
| 22:39.07 | daeos | do not exist |
| 22:39.08 | enouf | apt-cache search sensors |
| 22:39.11 | daeos | ok |
| 22:39.14 | enouf | what? |
| 22:39.17 | SeanTater | tobias: http://linux.bytesex.org/cross-compiler.html |
| 22:39.26 | enouf | !info lm_sensors sarge |
| 22:39.36 | enouf | daeos: maybe sarge doesn't have it |
| 22:39.40 | frankr | I've always wanted to get one of those little IBM 701cs laptops with the butterfly keyboard, and put linux on it for trips and things |
| 22:39.44 | enouf | !info lm_sensors etch |
| 22:39.54 | enouf | !info lm_sensors testing |
| 22:39.59 | AussieHatter | i have a weird problen in etch: using gnome, with a static ip address in network manager, on reboot, the dns settings are not remembered. also, until the dns settings are entered, the routing doesnt work, after manually entering the DNS settings the network is fine |
| 22:40.02 | enouf | bah |
| 22:40.03 | frankr | !info lm-sensors sarge |
| 22:40.06 | \amethyst | sarge has lm-sensors |
| 22:40.06 | daeos | well, it does |
| 22:40.08 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:2.9.1-1sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 463 kB, Installed size: 1484 kB |
| 22:40.10 | frankr | yeah |
| 22:40.11 | frankr | :P |
| 22:40.12 | daeos | but they are all for 2.4 |
| 22:40.15 | frankr | Its a dash, I told you |
| 22:40.15 | daeos | not .26 |
| 22:40.19 | enouf | what a dump .. heh /// :-P |
| 22:40.25 | daeos | 2.6 |
| 22:40.26 | enouf | thanks frankr |
| 22:40.33 | enouf | and \amethyst |
| 22:40.50 | \amethyst | The lm-sensors package in stable should work with kernel-image-2.6 |
| 22:40.52 | amphi | !tell enouf about listkeys |
| 22:40.58 | amphi | ;) |
| 22:41.26 | daeos | should? ok |
| 22:41.26 | ManuP | \amethyst, enouf, thanks |
| 22:41.31 | enouf | bastage .. :-p |
| 22:41.45 | enouf | should? |
| 22:41.54 | \amethyst | mystic_jade: np |
| 22:42.07 | \amethyst | Well, it depends on lm-sensors-mod-2.9 | kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 22:43.04 | enouf | actually there's also mobomon .. yes? |
| 22:43.05 | daeos | nice!, told me it couldnot since it could not install another package that is not installable |
| 22:43.08 | daeos | very very nice |
| 22:43.08 | mystic_jade | \amethyst i'm sorry what you talking about? |
| 22:43.08 | \amethyst | where the former is a virtual package provided by the lm-sensors-2.4.7-$ARCH packages |
| 22:43.10 | enouf | or similar ..? |
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| 22:43.26 | PingFloyd | in case you're wondering, sarge also has lm-sensors |
| 22:43.29 | enouf | that's why I said apt-cache search sensors daeos |
| 22:43.30 | \amethyst | mystic_jade: tab-completion missed, sorry |
| 22:43.37 | mystic_jade | lol ok :) |
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| 22:43.55 | PingFloyd | noticed that some people were wondering |
| 22:43.56 | enouf | Pons_: thanks .. clarified already .. my bad with the ___ instead of --- |
| 22:43.56 | daeos | \amethyst: you lost me there, so what should i tell apt-get to install? lm-sensors-mod ? |
| 22:44.01 | daeos | or just lm-sensors |
| 22:44.02 | \amethyst | daeos: lm-sensors |
| 22:44.08 | mystic_jade | i was getting confused :) lol |
| 22:44.17 | enouf | bah . PingFloyd i mean |
| 22:44.27 | Pons_ | lol |
| 22:44.39 | enouf | !greet Pons_ |
| 22:44.40 | dpkg | Hi there, Pons_ |
| 22:44.49 | Pons_ | hi enouf |
| 22:44.50 | enouf | :-P |
| 22:44.54 | enouf | apologies |
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| 22:45.46 | Pons_ | enouf, don't worry.. |
| 22:45.47 | enouf | hrm daeos .. likey? .. mbmon - Hardware monitoring without kernel dependencies (text client) |
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| 22:46.04 | enouf | !friend pons |
| 22:46.11 | enouf | !pal Pons_ |
| 22:46.22 | daeos | pal = point and laugh |
| 22:46.23 | enouf | bad girl dpkg |
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| 22:46.35 | daeos | !fish enouf |
| 22:46.47 | enouf | daeos: I know .. why do you think the non-existant !friend came prior |
| 22:47.02 | daeos | enouf: im playing |
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| 22:47.07 | enouf | !knoppixsmite daeos |
| 22:47.15 | lexual | plugins in ~/.gstreamer-0.10/plugins don't seem to be getting read on my etch system, any ideas? |
| 22:47.26 | enouf | more apropo ;-0 |
| 22:47.47 | PingFloyd | isn't postfix an MTA? |
| 22:47.57 | enouf | daeos: check out conky as well .. for a lightweight guioi monitoring app |
| 22:48.01 | Xenguy | yes |
| 22:48.01 | PingFloyd | wrong channel |
| 22:48.07 | enouf | erm s/guoioi/gui |
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| 22:48.18 | daeos | i don't want gui |
| 22:48.19 | daeos | :P |
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| 22:48.26 | daeos | i just want this damn thing to work with phpsysinfo |
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| 22:48.52 | enouf | daeos: php? .. mwahaha |
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| 22:49.37 | narutosan | may I know more about Implement the Custom Debian Distributions Toolkit |
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| 22:49.51 | abrotman | the who ? |
| 22:50.16 | enouf | the stones ? |
| 22:50.25 | dondelelcaro | Supertramp |
| 22:50.46 | enouf | breakfast .. |
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| 22:51.19 | Ronin | in america |
| 22:51.37 | Ronin | personal fav being the who of course |
| 22:52.11 | abrotman | at least you didn't say "at tiffanys" |
| 22:52.22 | Ronin | ewww |
| 22:52.26 | h3sp4wn | narutosan: Are you talking about ? http://people.debian.org/~sto/Malaga2006/html ? (by those criteria if they have accepted sidux would be considered a CDD) |
| 22:52.56 | Ronin | although what's her name was hot in that movie |
| 22:53.00 | \amethyst | narutosan: http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian |
| 22:53.02 | \amethyst | ? |
| 22:53.05 | Ronin | natalie wood |
| 22:53.14 | archville | safe way to clean var/log ? |
| 22:53.25 | abrotman | natalie wood in breakfast at tiffanys ? |
| 22:53.35 | abrotman | Ronin: ? |
| 22:53.56 | Ronin | doh, im a dumb ass |
| 22:54.00 | abrotman | i don't htink she was even born yet :) |
| 22:54.02 | Ronin | ya ya ya thats not news |
| 22:54.06 | abrotman | wait .. yeah she was :) |
| 22:54.10 | Ronin | Audrey Hepburn |
| 22:54.16 | abrotman | yes .. she wsa in the movie |
| 22:54.31 | \amethyst | she (Natalie Wood) was in Rebel Without a Cause, so she's certainly old enough |
| 22:54.43 | Ronin | abrotman: cast list http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054698/fullcredits#cast |
| 22:54.44 | \amethyst | but she wasn't in BaT |
| 22:54.49 | daeos | enouf: what did you say about getting a wifi card working? |
| 22:54.53 | abrotman | certainly not! |
| 22:55.10 | enouf | daeos: probably nothing important .. I'm dinking now .. heavily ;-) |
| 22:55.17 | daeos | oh ok |
| 22:55.20 | daeos | hmm |
| 22:55.22 | enouf | drinking* |
| 22:55.33 | daeos | maybe abrotman feels like helping me this time |
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| 22:55.40 | abrotman | daeos: this time ? |
| 22:55.43 | Ronin | enouf: dinking? |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | daeos: i can help you drink :) |
| 22:55.55 | enouf | Ronin: it works! .. ;-) |
| 22:56.14 | abrotman | daeos: is this the tulip that isn't really a tulip ? |
| 22:56.16 | daeos | abrotman: of course you can help me drink but im talking about getting a WG111 Netgear card working |
| 22:56.28 | daeos | abrotman: no |
| 22:56.38 | daeos | abrotman: i have no idea what that means |
| 22:56.38 | abrotman | are you really piper69 ? |
| 22:56.55 | enouf | pegged! |
| 22:57.05 | daeos | abrotman: no, just an annoyance that comes to ask you a question every few months to a year |
| 22:57.21 | abrotman | i can't keep track when you keep changing nicks :) |
| 22:57.26 | daeos | usually end up with an answer of STFW and RTFM |
| 22:57.40 | enouf | !aolify daeos |
| 22:57.41 | abrotman | STC ? |
| 22:57.47 | abrotman | STC-STW! |
| 22:57.50 | enouf | :-) |
| 22:57.58 | enouf | only kidding piper |
| 22:58.05 | daeos | im not piper |
| 22:58.13 | daeos | as i said |
| 22:58.22 | enouf | well .. you are now! darnit! .. |
| 22:58.28 | daeos | im just someone that knows abrotman very well in past encounters |
| 22:58.34 | abrotman | daeos: what's your kernel ? |
| 22:58.38 | daeos | 2.6 |
| 22:58.48 | abrotman | very well ? |
| 22:58.48 | abrotman | 2.6.? |
| 22:59.02 | daeos | 8-3 |
| 22:59.14 | enouf | ahh .. silent, enigmatic encounters? |
| 22:59.18 | unlink | why does my ssh/scp connection die after a certain amount of data transfer? |
| 22:59.20 | daeos | -386 |
| 22:59.25 | daeos | err |
| 22:59.26 | daeos | sorry |
| 22:59.31 | abrotman | daeos: so you're on sarge .. correct ? |
| 22:59.34 | abrotman | and ndiswrapper fails ? |
| 22:59.39 | daeos | 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 23:00.19 | daeos | yes on sarge, i tried to use ndiswrapper |
| 23:00.19 | daeos | but earlier was on 2.4 |
| 23:00.20 | enouf | abrotman: we just upgraded him/her from 2.4.27-->2.6.8-3-686 |
| 23:00.27 | daeos | enouf: him |
| 23:00.29 | abrotman | does ndiswrapper even work ? |
| 23:00.39 | daeos | have not tried it now that im in 2.6 |
| 23:00.44 | daeos | but in 2.4 it did not |
| 23:00.55 | daeos | i was told that native drivers are better |
| 23:00.55 | enouf | daeos: I'm an equal opportunity lender |
| 23:01.38 | daeos | but, i don't know if they work, or if the device is even working |
| 23:01.46 | abrotman | http://jbnote.free.fr/prism54usb/ |
| 23:02.24 | enouf | unlink: that's a bit too vague a desrciption |
| 23:02.52 | daeos | well |
| 23:02.59 | daeos | i ran lsusb -vvv |
| 23:03.03 | daeos | and got a full info list |
| 23:03.12 | daeos | i guess it does work then? |
| 23:03.26 | abrotman | oh .. you know what |
| 23:03.33 | daeos | other than... cant get hub descriptor |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | i think the etch kernel + firmware supports it |
| 23:03.47 | abrotman | !find isl sarge |
| 23:03.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'isl' (6 of 58): (/usr/bin/sjislatex) in tex/cjk-latex ;; (/usr/share/calc/help/islist) in math/apcalc-common ;; (/usr/include/rpcsvc/nislib.h) in libdevel/libc6-dev ;; (/usr/include/ibtk/islider.h) in libdevel/libibtk-dev ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xfm/pixmaps/island.xpm) in utils/xfm ;; (/usr/include/sword/osislemma.h) in libdevel/libsword-dev. |
| 23:04.01 | abrotman | ah .. right |
| 23:04.05 | abrotman | !find isl_ sarge |
| 23:04.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'isl_' (1): (/usr/share/games/crossfire/maps/ender/island/isl_yel) in games/crossfire-maps. |
| 23:04.26 | abrotman | nowhere in sarge though |
| 23:05.10 | unlink | enouf: Welcome to KAPPA ---------------- |
| 23:05.11 | unlink | Starting ssh-agent... Agent found (pid 31986) |
| 23:05.15 | unlink | enouf: sorry |
| 23:05.19 | unlink | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/uKMAtN43.html |
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| 23:05.48 | daeos | uhhhm oook |
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| 23:06.14 | enouf | unlink: just trying to help .. but i need to go get food now .. hopefully another can help you .. plus I'm not good with debugging your situation |
| 23:06.29 | enouf | bbl |
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| 23:06.54 | daeos | enouf: see you back later then |
| 23:07.13 | daeos | abrotman: i found out what device i 'have' |
| 23:07.30 | abrotman | "have" ? |
| 23:07.32 | daeos | the 0846:4240 |
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| 23:07.39 | daeos | newer wg111 card |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | moment |
| 23:08.31 | abrotman | hrm .. don't see it |
| 23:08.38 | *** part/#debian VmV (i=vmv@bgs8.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:08.43 | abrotman | but it's in the source package |
| 23:08.49 | narutosan | I am actually applying for the GSoc and I need to know more about Implement the Custom Debian Distributions Toolkit. What has been done and what has to done |
| 23:09.01 | abrotman | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/drivers/net/wireless/prism54/isl_38xx.c |
| 23:09.01 | abrotman | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/drivers/net/wireless/prism54/isl_38xx.h |
| 23:09.03 | abrotman | i think that's yours |
| 23:09.15 | daeos | right, those 2 c files |
| 23:09.23 | daeos | script and header files |
| 23:09.24 | daeos | ok |
| 23:09.27 | daeos | let me find those |
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| 23:10.55 | daeos | hmm, they only have arm files here |
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| 23:11.22 | narutosan | can some body help me get some details about the Custom Debian Distributions?? |
| 23:12.58 | abrotman | daeos: no kidding .. i'm running etch ... |
| 23:13.51 | AussieHatter | when using gnome in etch, the /etc/resolv.conf has a note saying 'do not modify' does this have to be managed by the graphical thing ? |
| 23:14.02 | wols | narutosan: wiki.debian org |
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| 23:14.34 | wols | http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2007/ImplementTheCDDT |
| 23:14.40 | daeos | abrotman: i have no clue what arm files are for, but if you are sarchasitcally hinting that they are for etch, that won't help me since im using sarge |
| 23:14.46 | AussieHatter | whats with these graphical environments wantint to take away our command line ! |
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| 23:14.56 | abrotman | daeos: upgrade to etch ? |
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| 23:15.19 | wols | AussieHatter: no |
| 23:15.25 | narutosan | wols: but I am not getting any good info over there |
| 23:15.43 | daeos | i just upgraded, from 2.4 to 2.6, under the impression that 2.6 would support it, i suppose you are telling me 2.6 sarge doesn't? |
| 23:15.48 | wols | ask the admins there? |
| 23:16.09 | narutosan | wols: Its very less |
| 23:16.18 | AussieHatter | wols: so the gnome network manager is just an interfafce to write to these files ? |
| 23:16.52 | wols | AussieHatter: imho, yes |
| 23:16.53 | wols | no one forces it on you |
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| 23:17.14 | AussieHatter | maybe a bug then in the gnome network manager, its not remembering the dns setting |
| 23:17.41 | wols | dhclient should set it |
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| 23:17.46 | stew | AussieHatter: can you put your /etc/resolv.conf into a pastebin? |
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| 23:17.52 | stew | its probably the resolvconf package |
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| 23:18.19 | phreqmod | narutosan, apart from the stuff in their webpage and wiki, I'm affraid I don't think you will get more info from here... the chances that someone developing one and has intimate knowledge of the project hanging around here aren't high... |
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| 23:19.12 | phreqmod | I could be wrong though |
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| 23:20.31 | AussieHatter | stew: i am not at that pc at the moment, but IIRC it says #generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! |
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| 23:20.55 | AussieHatter | i just logged into another one, and thats what it says |
| 23:21.07 | AussieHatter | resolv.conf that is |
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| 23:21.47 | stew | AussieHatter: then I guess the answer to your question is yes, the reason for this is NetworkManager |
| 23:22.29 | AussieHatter | stew: i think you are right, in which case, this will be the default behaviour for gnome users |
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| 23:23.27 | CrippsFX | can cdrdao read from an iso file? |
| 23:23.44 | AussieHatter | it feels a bit strange to be talking about gnome in this channel |
| 23:23.45 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, the resolvconf package also generates resolv.conf dynamically and adds a comment. |
| 23:23.58 | stew | AussieHatter: why? it seems like it would only be only the default behaviour for NetworkManager users |
| 23:24.36 | AussieHatter | stew: I didn't install networkmanager, i installed the gnome desktop environment from the d-i |
| 23:24.56 | stew | oh bah, evolution now depends on network-manager, wtf |
| 23:25.06 | narutosan | phreqmod: where can I find at least one among the developers for the CDDT |
| 23:25.20 | AussieHatter | this is leaning me back to the leaner desktop environments, like xfce |
| 23:25.25 | karsten | narutosan: ?? |
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| 23:25.50 | phreqmod | narutosan, my bet would be to see their project page and get in touch with one of them by mail |
| 23:25.56 | AussieHatter | phreqmod: is resolvconf a gnome package ? |
| 23:26.10 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, no |
| 23:26.10 | AussieHatter | is this the right channel still for gnome on debian ? |
| 23:26.11 | karsten | stew: You're using evo or helping someone? I'm finding myself very happy with KDE's Kontact. |
| 23:26.13 | narutosan | karsten: I am interested in the Implementation the Custom Debian Distributions Toolkit |
| 23:26.17 | karsten | AussieHatter: Yes. |
| 23:26.27 | stew | karsten: i'm not, i'm looking at how AussieHatter ended up with network-manager installed |
| 23:26.29 | karsten | narutosan: Um, what's that? |
| 23:26.34 | karsten | stew: Ah. |
| 23:26.53 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, although, as stew pointed out, the comment in your file makes it easy to find the culprit. I just added that to say that there are other non-graphical packages that generate a resolv.conf |
| 23:26.54 | narutosan | phreqmod: the problem is that I want to discuss the project before I actually apply |
| 23:26.56 | stew | narutosan: tille@debian.org and sto@debian.org are the two listed on the wiki |
| 23:27.02 | wols | http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2007/ImplementTheCDDT |
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| 23:27.31 | AussieHatter | phreqmod: thx, my concern is more something in the graphical environment taking over the cli |
| 23:27.35 | karsten | narutosan: Looks like stew's got yur answer. |
| 23:27.47 | stew | oh, wait, maybe not, evolution only Suggests: network-manager |
| 23:28.04 | narutosan | stew: I know but the point is that the last date is the day after tomorrow!! anyways thanks for the info!! |
| 23:28.28 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, yes, but NetworkManager's strenght is actually that it changes stuff dynamically, so it's no surprise to see it change things, at least it has the good sense of adding a note :) |
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| 23:28.54 | AussieHatter | phreqmod: except the latest most up to date one is not remembering dns on reboot |
| 23:29.06 | AussieHatter | which i guess i will have to check in the bts |
| 23:29.11 | stew | narutosan: sto is on irc.debian.org currently |
| 23:29.30 | narutosan | oh thanks a lot |
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| 23:30.23 | AussieHatter | phreqmod: and do you know if i manually changed resolv.conf dns, would network manager change it to what it knows ? |
| 23:30.42 | AussieHatter | which means networkmanager has its own set of files ? |
| 23:30.55 | stew | narutosan: oh and #debian-custom on irc.debian.org is the relevant irc channel |
| 23:31.03 | phreqmod | narutosan, well, try to say that to them, arrange a talk by IM, don't know... wols' link looks like a good starting point... |
| 23:31.49 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, it will eventually change it... not immediatly, but after the next action (say, you plug and unplug the ethernet cable and it will rewrite it) |
| 23:32.26 | AussieHatter | phreqmod: so network control has been lost to the GUI |
| 23:32.50 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, NM only changes stuff not present in the /etc/network/interfaces file, so if you config every NIC by hand in there NMK will not work. Actually, you could just uninstall NM if you don't want to use automatic IP configuration... |
| 23:33.05 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, yes *if you choose to do that* |
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| 23:33.33 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, NM is not a GUI tool though |
| 23:33.43 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, nm-applet is just a frontend |
| 23:34.06 | AussieHatter | phreqmod: which is the great thing about free s/w, the 'if you choose' part, but I am interested in default behaviour |
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| 23:34.36 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, NetworkManager is a daemon of sorts, runs in the background and responds to events. It's very nice for people in laptops, since writing a wpa_supplicant file + interfaces file + resolv.conf file can be tedious |
| 23:36.21 | AussieHatter | phreqmod: on the box i am speaking of, /etc/network/interfaces for the eth0 segment has a DNS. gnome NM does not, which i have to enter each reboot, but then, i am speaking of a bug i guess, so I will investigate |
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| 23:36.48 | AussieHatter | so NM should be reading /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:37.08 | stew | AussieHatter: have you checked /usr/share/doc/network-manager ? |
| 23:37.19 | AussieHatter | stew: i will now, thx |
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| 23:38.22 | phreqmod | AussieHatter, yes, it should, NM only touches entries that aren't defined - or at least it should |
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| 23:41.13 | nomi | I finally got my audio working on my new Etch install, but I cant find where I enabled s/pdif output, I can only get analog out. anyone got any ideas? |
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| 23:41.31 | nomi | enabled=enable* |
| 23:42.00 | abrotman | might want to ask #alsa |
| 23:42.20 | beoba | ```\ |
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| 23:51.21 | phreqmod | ... |
| 23:51.36 | Telepathboy | Howdy |
| 23:52.15 | phreqmod | Was a curfew declared in the USA in the last 10 minutes? This is awfully quite... |
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| 23:52.45 | Telepathboy | *shrug* Not that I've noticed? |
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| 23:53.10 | ApEtc | phreqmod: A 'Net curfew? |
| 23:53.38 | irlie | Hi, does anyone know a command to show info on my memory type? The vendor for example. |
| 23:53.49 | phreqmod | ApEtc, anything is possible these days |
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| 23:54.46 | phreqmod | irlie, dmidecode can be of help I think |
| 23:55.13 | irlie | phreqmod: ah thanks i will try that |
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| 23:56.02 | phreqmod | irlie, dmidecode can be of help |
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| 23:58.06 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 23:58.07 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 23:58.21 | irlie | phreqmod: Well, that should gives enough info indeed :) |
| 23:59.26 | irlie | dpkg: thanks. Unfortunaly I the machine is not physical present |
| 23:59.26 | dpkg | sure thing, irlie |
| 23:59.30 | robin_sz | chips? how 1990s |
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