| 00:00.08 | Nwallins|home | hi, what parts of kernel building (i.e. from make menuconfig to dpkg -i linux-image) should be done as normal user vs root? |
| 00:00.20 | phaedral | bad_cables: #debian's rudeness is usually in direct proportion to the thoughtlessness of noob questions/statements |
| 00:00.24 | phaedral | usually... |
| 00:00.30 | wols | all except dpkg -i should be done as user |
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| 00:00.47 | wols | for make-kpkg you need fakeroot |
| 00:00.48 | trans13nt | phaedral: thats a matter of opinion :-P |
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| 00:01.08 | phaedral | trans13nt: :) they've been good to me |
| 00:01.11 | Nwallins|home | wols, ok. that is distinct from running it as root? |
| 00:01.20 | phaedral | once I got over the knoppix thing |
| 00:01.28 | Azar | base we got a complaint : user bad_cables accused us of rudeness with no reason |
| 00:01.29 | bad_cables | it is sunday night and everyone is drinking that last of the 6pack we bought on hump day so there is no such thign as rude... |
| 00:01.32 | trans13nt | phaedral: not trying to be a b*tch, but glad one user gets treated nicely |
| 00:01.42 | wols | Nwallins|home: yes |
| 00:01.43 | trans13nt | i suppose, i ahve been today, so far |
| 00:01.46 | phaedral | trans13nt: heh |
| 00:02.12 | Azar | phaedral: did you witness any sort of rudeness? |
| 00:02.14 | wols | !sunday |
| 00:02.15 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:02.19 | trans13nt | might help that irssi used my user name instead of my normal TrAns13nT ;-) |
| 00:02.41 | bad_cables | no love |
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| 00:02.54 | tonyb2006 | when I compile a kernel with SATA support I get |
| 00:02.57 | tonyb2006 | http://rafb.net/p/5J2Go729.html |
| 00:02.59 | Azar | bad_cables: do you want your money back for your dsl from the debian community? |
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| 00:03.25 | bad_cables | sofar i have given 1$ for the DSL project |
| 00:03.29 | tonyb2006 | me too! |
| 00:03.38 | bad_cables | no, i have loved every minute of DSL |
| 00:03.45 | Azar | so ask them your buck back we don't do dsl here |
| 00:03.48 | bad_cables | i jst thought that i might be able to install aldrin tonight |
| 00:03.52 | bad_cables | which would take Gcc4 |
| 00:03.59 | wols | tonyb2006: that is a devfs problem |
| 00:04.01 | bad_cables | doesnt look like it will happen |
| 00:04.13 | Azar | bad_cables: you are rude |
| 00:04.14 | tonyb2006 | wols: doubt it, the kernel works without that SATA support in |
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| 00:04.30 | wols | suit yourself then |
| 00:04.47 | wols | but /dev/console has nothing to do with sata... |
| 00:04.55 | wols | but a lot with devfs |
| 00:04.57 | phaedral | bad_cables: there _is_ a #dsl here on freenode |
| 00:05.03 | bad_cables | ok thanks guys.. im sorry |
| 00:05.05 | tonyb2006 | but it doesnt use devfs anymore |
| 00:05.12 | phaedral | good luck, truly |
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| 00:05.59 | Azar | !beer phaedral |
| 00:05.59 | wols | tonyb2006: that's the problem. it expects devfs and since that's not there, there is no /dev/console |
| 00:05.59 | wols | which makes a panic |
| 00:05.59 | phaedral | yummmmmmmy! |
| 00:06.06 | tonyb2006 | wols: then how does SATA trigger that? :| |
| 00:06.18 | tonyb2006 | I always get that devfs error |
| 00:06.25 | wols | dunno. never used or liked devfs |
| 00:06.31 | tonyb2006 | i dont use it either |
| 00:06.46 | wols | you once did or it wouldn't be there I'd say |
| 00:06.57 | tonyb2006 | blame initrd-tools |
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| 00:07.18 | phaedral | I'm reasonably certain it's not my md5sum checker; I've pulled down dsl and knoppix today and they checked fine (knoppix as a live cd gave me qtparted to prep for the etch install, fwiw) |
| 00:07.18 | wols | that too. initrd on custom kernels is to be avoided. unless you do boot raid or such |
| 00:07.34 | phaedral | starting 3rd d/l of etch amd64 installer |
| 00:07.49 | Azar | oh my... my old net friend's OS is out |
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| 00:08.45 | tuvwx | i'm having a hard time resisting this deal: http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=BDL10001843&logon=&langid=EN |
| 00:09.14 | Nwallins|home | Hi, I'm playing with kernel .config, removing only what I believe to be unnecessary drivers, and when boot fails, it says "waiting for root filesystem" -- any ideas? |
| 00:09.37 | Nwallins|home | it locks up the keyboard, but there is a kvm involved |
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| 00:10.13 | wols | tuvwx: it's shit |
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| 00:10.38 | tuvwx | wols, that's comforting |
| 00:10.56 | wols | tuvwx: imho that is |
| 00:11.09 | wols | tho: what is current USD to the canuck dollar? |
| 00:11.14 | tuvwx | wols, btw, it's $CAD |
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| 00:11.42 | netdaemon | !convert 1 USD CAD |
| 00:11.42 | vn- | I would resist |
| 00:11.45 | vn- | it's HP crap |
| 00:11.46 | wols | Nwallins|home: what ide chipset and what filesystem on your / ? |
| 00:11.46 | netdaemon | wee |
| 00:11.55 | netdaemon | wrong room... |
| 00:12.08 | Nwallins|home | wols: can't find ide chipset from tyan website. ext3 |
| 00:12.16 | wols | tuvwx: if you want a media center: build from parts, use mythtv |
| 00:12.22 | Nwallins|home | nvidia crush, perhaps? |
| 00:12.25 | wols | Nwallins|home: lspci tells you |
| 00:12.26 | Azar | Nwallins|home: do you know that you might be removing things that depend on other things you use? |
| 00:12.37 | Nwallins|home | Azar: yeah, that's what I suspected |
| 00:12.40 | wols | Azar: menuconfig won't allow it |
| 00:12.52 | netdaemon | 1.00 usd = 1.17 cad |
| 00:12.54 | Azar | wols: ah tardproof system, thats good |
| 00:13.08 | hackmiester | I have this box with 32M ram. The install goes lowram, but still crashes. How can I get only far enough into the install to mount a swap partition and then continue? |
| 00:13.13 | Nwallins|home | yeah nvidia ck804 |
| 00:13.24 | wols | hackmiester: install sarge or woody |
| 00:13.43 | wols | Nwallins|home: what cpu do you have? |
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| 00:13.55 | Nwallins|home | wols: opteron 246 |
| 00:14.11 | Nwallins|home | 2 x single core |
| 00:14.19 | hackmiester | sarge, wols, but it doesn't matter to me really |
| 00:14.24 | wad | I'm setting up apache2 on my new debian box. Wow, I love the way it's configured! |
| 00:14.40 | soblue | Hello. I'm trying to set up an Esperanto keyboard layout in GNOME on Debian (Sarge). Esperanto is not listed in the Layout tab of the Keyboard Preferences dialog. Anybody know what to do? |
| 00:15.02 | tuvwx | wols, what amd64 chipset is best supported by debian? |
| 00:15.05 | wols | Nwallins|home: there is a nvidia sata controller in the kernel config. is it enabled? not as module? |
| 00:15.06 | wad | I've got 5 websites, using NameVirtualHosting (1 IP address). But if someone visits my serve via IP address instead of name, how can I specify which website they will encounter? |
| 00:15.15 | wols | !best |
| 00:15.16 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:15.25 | wols | tuvwx: I'd go with nvidia |
| 00:15.30 | Nwallins|home | checking.. |
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| 00:15.39 | phreqmod | wad, you can't. It will use the first instance or something like that IIRC: |
| 00:15.50 | wols | wad: read up on vhost |
| 00:15.59 | wad | Ah. So, in other words, I just have to make sure that the first instance in some list is the one I want to load. :) |
| 00:16.02 | tuvwx | wols, is nforce supported in-kernel? no more download-chipset-driver crap? |
| 00:16.05 | hackmiester | any ideas, wols? |
| 00:16.13 | Nwallins|home | wols: aha, the experimental label scared me away |
| 00:16.19 | wols | tuvwx: has been supported since forever |
| 00:16.20 | Nwallins|home | wols: i think you found it, thanks |
| 00:16.33 | Azar | tuvwx: check the kernels first, then decide on what Debian version |
| 00:16.49 | tuvwx | Azar, i usually run testing |
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| 00:17.24 | Azar | tuvwx: well testing supports sata, amd64 with the minimal 2.6.18 kernel |
| 00:17.44 | JordiGH | What's a good GUI app (KDE!) for seeing what my wireless card can see? |
| 00:17.56 | Azar | wols is ubersolicited today... please wait your turn |
| 00:18.24 | Azar | JordiGH: ask on kde man |
| 00:18.32 | wols | hackmiester: the lower you go, the less memory you need. you can also go anytime into 2nd console (ctrl+alt+f2) and try to activate swap |
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| 00:18.58 | m1ke_l | are there official backport repo's? |
| 00:18.59 | tuvwx | JordiGH, never tried it, but Wireless Assistant looks nice |
| 00:19.03 | Scalarscience | quick question |
| 00:19.09 | Gryfelhase | wols: Before i compile all the additional apps i installed to a newer kernel.... does the kernel-update solve my problem with loading the rtc-module ? |
| 00:19.13 | wols | e.g use a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel to install, then upgrade |
| 00:19.15 | Scalarscience | i'm on a shell where apt seems to want to get things from a .de repository |
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| 00:19.20 | JordiGH | tuvwx, thanks, I'll try that. |
| 00:19.20 | hackmiester | wols, lower? as far as release #? and I tried that, but I haven't any device nodes for my hard disk, making me think the driver isn't loaded yet |
| 00:19.22 | Scalarscience | how can i point it to another repository? |
| 00:19.29 | Scalarscience | the .de one seems to be missing a lot of stuff |
| 00:19.29 | Azar | m1ke_l: /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:19.31 | m1ke_l | Scalarscience, add it to /etc/apt/sources |
| 00:19.35 | Scalarscience | cheers |
| 00:19.40 | soblue | I've searched Google and it seems to indicate that there's a way to set up an Esperanto keyboard, but I can't find any specifics. |
| 00:19.44 | wols | Gryfelhase: unlikely. but it solves some security issues your kernel has afaik (nothing major tho) |
| 00:19.44 | m1ke_l | thanks |
| 00:19.52 | Scalarscience | sources.list |
| 00:20.15 | phaedral | Scalarscience: that's the one, sources.list |
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| 00:20.27 | Scalarscience | figured =] |
| 00:20.38 | wols | hackmiester: yes, as I said, get a woody (debian 3.0) or even potato installer |
| 00:20.41 | Azar | soblue: keyboard layout choice can be set on X: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ( or -xorg) |
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| 00:20.53 | Azar | hackmiester: woody rocks |
| 00:21.18 | soblue | Azar: I think I've tried that, but I'll try again just to be sure. One moment. |
| 00:21.19 | Azar | hackmiester: woody is almost half size of sarge use only the 1st base cd and you are set |
| 00:21.19 | bzed | does anybody know the kernel params needed to get that buggy intel p965 chipset working well? |
| 00:21.40 | wols | bzed: best bet is to use a very new kernel, no? |
| 00:22.03 | wols | and the problem is afaik that the chipset has no PATA so every mobo maker added their own (incompatible) choice |
| 00:22.06 | bzed | wols: true. but I'm looking for a fast fix for a noob |
| 00:22.07 | wols | like the JMicron one |
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| 00:22.26 | bzed | ah there was some other problem as far as I remember, somethign with the pci bus |
| 00:22.28 | wols | bzed: if it's sarge: forget it. needs at least 2.6.18 or so |
| 00:22.30 | hackmiester | wols, I'd like to stay up to date though, isn't there a way to load my driver before hand? how can I figure out which one to use, etc.? |
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| 00:23.01 | wols | hackmiester: lspci can tell you. and: you can always upgrade after the install. the problem is the installer which needs that much RAM |
| 00:23.10 | wols | after that, you can upgrade via apt-get and run full etch |
| 00:23.15 | hackmiester | wols, ah, I can upgrade? it's not hard? |
| 00:23.18 | bzed | wols: nah they're running 2.6.18, but there's still that pci bug, there was a kernel param, something liek pci=mm...simething.. I just forgot it |
| 00:23.26 | wols | not at all. tedious maybe but not hard |
| 00:23.33 | hackmiester | wols, oh nice! I will do that then... |
| 00:23.41 | wols | debian is installed once. from then on you only upgrade via the network |
| 00:23.43 | JordiGH | Alright, looks like LInux doesn't think there's a wireless card in here. Let's start there first.. |
| 00:23.47 | wols | debian is not a reinstall OS |
| 00:23.48 | Azar | soblue: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=esperanto+keyboard+in+Debian&btnG=Search |
| 00:23.52 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:24.09 | hackmiester | wols, I'm used to arch linux, which has rolling updates. if you "pacman -Syu" (full system upgrade) you get the next version... I wasn't aware Debian worked that way |
| 00:24.34 | JordiGH | wols: I reinstalled anyways, because I had a bunch of crap I installed once to test it out, I forgot what it was, and well, it was just simpler to begin with a clean install. |
| 00:24.42 | phaedral | hackmiester: I think w/ apt-get if you say "apt-get install pacman" you will automatically get the latest |
| 00:24.53 | phaedral | based on your sources.list |
| 00:24.57 | hackmiester | wols, so what command do I run, just a normal full system upgrade? do the default repos do that? |
| 00:25.15 | wols | tell hackmiester about sarge->etch |
| 00:25.21 | hackmiester | phaedral, right, but does that take me up the release ladder? and do I configure the repos for the next release, or does it Just Work(TM)? |
| 00:25.23 | wols | similar applies to woody->sarge |
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| 00:25.32 | jelly-home | wols: missing ! there |
| 00:25.33 | hackmiester | dpkg: tell me about sarge->etch |
| 00:25.49 | wols | you need to update from one release to the next, can't go directly from woody to etch |
| 00:25.53 | wols | !tell hackmiester about sarge->etch |
| 00:25.54 | wols | jelly-home: thanks |
| 00:26.07 | trans13nt | so wheres the 'local' startup script hidin at? |
| 00:26.09 | hackmiester | I got it when I asked it :) |
| 00:26.10 | soblue | Azar: I've seen most of those pages already. I tried installing keyboards-rg and it seemed to have no effect. The keys still behave the same. |
| 00:26.43 | hackmiester | well that is cool, wols. thank you for your help! :D |
| 00:26.45 | soblue | And nothing changed in the Keyboard > Layout tab |
| 00:27.01 | phaedral | and they say #debian ain't helpful |
| 00:27.14 | Azar | hackmiester: woody>sarge : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 00:27.20 | wols | trans13nt: /etc/init.d/rc.local. if it exists |
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| 00:27.36 | Azar | soblue: then you have to buy a special esperanto keyboard |
| 00:27.58 | Scalarscience | apt-get update after changing the sources.list helps =] |
| 00:28.15 | Azar | soblue: at installation time you will have to tell the installer what kind of keyboard you have |
| 00:28.24 | trans13nt | wols: and if not, i can just create it and it won't go apeshit? |
| 00:28.26 | cromd | might leave you to it good peoples ... enjoy each other ... fare thee well |
| 00:28.27 | Azar | ... plus the language (locales) |
| 00:28.30 | wols | trans13nt: yes |
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| 00:28.33 | phaedral | Scalarscience: essential; sorry forgot to mention |
| 00:28.40 | phaedral | was the a prompt to tell you so? |
| 00:28.43 | Scalarscience | no worries i figured it out |
| 00:28.47 | wols | trans13nt: create it and make a symlink /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local to it |
| 00:28.50 | Scalarscience | nah but i've been sitting here playing with it all day |
| 00:28.55 | trans13nt | wols: thanks |
| 00:28.56 | phaedral | :) |
| 00:29.02 | phaedral | know _that_ feeling well |
| 00:29.06 | Scalarscience | having problems with this remote shell, everything installs fine on my local debian box |
| 00:29.11 | Scalarscience | appreciate the help =] |
| 00:29.13 | soblue | Azar: Strange. I used Ubuntu until recently... I know it's based on Debian, and it supported Esperanto without buying a new keyboard. It just mapped some keys not used in Esperanto to the symbols Esperanto needs. |
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| 00:29.50 | phaedral | soblue: you might /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 00:29.58 | Azar | soblue: then you have not set your locales to bring you esperanto.... did you install and pick "english - us" ? |
| 00:29.58 | JordiGH | How are you supposed to read .pdf.gz files under /usr/share/doc? I always copy them to my home directory, unzip them there, and read them with kpdf. |
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| 00:30.16 | Azar | phaedral: he moved to debian and needs esperanto |
| 00:30.25 | phaedral | ah |
| 00:30.32 | soblue | Azar: Yes, when I installed I did that because there was no Esperanto option. Plus I do speak/write English natively. |
| 00:30.38 | wols | soblue: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:30.40 | Guerin | JordiGH: gunzip | pdf2txt |less ? |
| 00:30.49 | Azar | yea soblue do what wols said |
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| 00:30.59 | Azar | wols: is there "esperanto" in locales? |
| 00:31.22 | pourriture | I am builing a laptop to be a network troubleshooting tool ... it is command line only ... anyone know offhand how to get links2 -g to work for non root? ... I added the user to video , but no dice |
| 00:31.26 | wols | Azar: no clue, but if debian supports it it's in there |
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| 00:31.36 | Guerin | i should imagine esperanto is hard to buy a keyboard for, since it's only spoken by a couple million people, and it's practically nobody's exclusive native language |
| 00:31.37 | soblue | Azar, wols: There is no eo_EO option listed in the locales config... |
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| 00:31.41 | Azar | yea I never paid attention |
| 00:31.44 | melodos | debian seems cool :) |
| 00:31.45 | soblue | or plain eo either |
| 00:31.54 | wols | pourriture: check /dev/*fb* |
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| 00:32.01 | Guerin | then again, it's a latin alphabet, so any old keyboard should work tolerably well |
| 00:32.03 | netdaemon | debian is indeed nice |
| 00:32.04 | melodos | installed my ipw 3945 in no time :P |
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| 00:32.22 | Azar | hmmmm soblue does esperanto uses utf8 ? |
| 00:32.25 | Scalarscience | ah success finally! |
| 00:32.28 | Scalarscience | cheers for help bbiab |
| 00:32.36 | Guerin | Azar: it can, like anything else. |
| 00:32.48 | soblue | Azar: Yes, it can, of course. Should I try that? |
| 00:33.01 | chrisjs169 | =\......nnn0 isn't here either |
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| 00:33.12 | Azar | Guerin: because russian, chinese, and some other languages have special characters |
| 00:33.14 | soblue | How do I enable UTF-8 support? |
| 00:33.18 | pourriture | wols that is what I did and saw that it was group readable by video ... added the user to that group but no go |
| 00:33.33 | Azar | soblue: like wols said: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:33.51 | Azar | soblue: it gonna change the entire system's text |
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| 00:34.08 | JordiGH | Guerin: That's kinda silly. Isn't there a pdf reader that can read gzipped files? |
| 00:34.20 | phaedral | google for "debian esperanto keyboard" looks promising... |
| 00:34.21 | pourriture | wols actually now that I read the output ... it is not happy with me trying to get /dev/tty0 ... that seems kinda deep |
| 00:34.30 | soblue | Azar: Hmm. Now that I look, I do see an en_US.UTF-8 option. |
| 00:34.44 | Azar | phaedral: I gave him the entire google link, he said it looked at all those stuff |
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| 00:34.54 | phaedral | :) |
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| 00:35.07 | phaedral | must've missed a chunk of the conversation |
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| 00:35.09 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:35.15 | Azar | :) |
| 00:35.37 | Azar | so master Guerin, how was your day off from irc? |
| 00:35.42 | mazzanet | hokay |
| 00:35.45 | hatter | I have recently upgraded to etch and found that samba behaves differently, with force create mode set to 0775 it still creates files without the group write permission |
| 00:35.55 | unseensoul | http://rafb.net/p/b5xU7447.html how can I solve this? |
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| 00:36.06 | melodos | could someone tell me how to add java se in debian? do i have to download .rpm or .bin ? |
| 00:36.27 | mazzanet | during an `apt upgrade` it lists a number of a packages that have been kept back |
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| 00:36.35 | mazzanet | some of them i've intentionally held |
| 00:36.42 | mazzanet | other are automatic |
| 00:36.58 | melodos | anyone |
| 00:36.59 | mazzanet | how can i find out why the automatic ones were indeed automatic? |
| 00:36.59 | melodos | ? |
| 00:37.00 | soblue | Azar: I just made en_US.UTF-8 the default... nothing seemed to change. Now what? |
| 00:37.17 | mazzanet | ie. why are they kept back? |
| 00:37.58 | melodos | guys, how do i add java sdk to my debian? |
| 00:38.11 | Azar | so are you in X ? |
| 00:38.14 | phaedral | througput on this dratted download keeps falling so the estimated time has been 30+ minutes for 32 minutes |
| 00:38.21 | soblue | Azar: I'm in GNOME at the moment. |
| 00:38.24 | soblue | So yes. |
| 00:38.41 | Azar | soblue: you could exit X, or reboot so the change can be seen |
| 00:38.53 | soblue | Azar: Okay, be back in a bit then. |
| 00:39.05 | orexas | is it possible to install debian on PII, 233 Mhz machine? |
| 00:39.17 | Azar | ... esperanto.. hmm |
| 00:39.44 | wols | !tell melodos about install java |
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| 00:40.18 | wols | orexas: yes it's possible. use a barebones netinstall |
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| 00:40.47 | Azar | mazzanet: you might want to read by : less /usr/share/aptitude/README |
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| 00:40.55 | orexas | wols, Thanks for the info |
| 00:41.01 | Azar | mazzanet: that is if you installed "aptitude" |
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| 00:42.10 | mazzanet | er yeah |
| 00:42.12 | troubled | what makes more sense with bot karma/stats; saving on a per channel basis, or saving globally? |
| 00:42.19 | mazzanet | i symlinks 'apt' to aptitude :P |
| 00:42.51 | Azar | mazzanet: the read is really good lots of tips and shows solutions to your question |
| 00:43.44 | melodos | wols: can u help me out with that java thingo? |
| 00:43.55 | melodos | wols: i need the jdk ... |
| 00:44.06 | wols | melodos: what is your problem? |
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| 00:44.24 | troubled | dondelelcaro: you alive? |
| 00:44.45 | melodos | wols: i need jdk so i can run an ide for my school |
| 00:44.55 | melodos | wols: it wont run with a proper jdk |
| 00:44.57 | wols | melodos: what is your problem installing it |
| 00:45.01 | wols | dpkg tells you how |
| 00:45.02 | pourriture | Ronin you have any ideas on why links2 -g won't go from a regular user? |
| 00:45.09 | melodos | wols: i dont know how to install it :P |
| 00:45.19 | melodos | wols: is there an apt-get for it? |
| 00:46.02 | Azar | melodos: apt-cache search "yourpackage" will show you if is there |
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| 00:46.05 | JordiGH | What exactly does it mean when a binary blob "taints the kernel"? It sounds like some sort of plague. |
| 00:46.13 | wols | melodos: yes there is. read what dpkg told you |
| 00:46.22 | Azar | melodos: and aptitude install "yourpackage" will install it for you |
| 00:46.32 | wols | JordiGH: it means you run closed source in your kernel |
| 00:46.42 | melodos | ok thnx |
| 00:46.44 | wols | which means, if you now get problems with your kernel, no kernel dev can or will help you |
| 00:46.50 | melodos | i used synaptic.. easier.. |
| 00:46.57 | melodos | :) |
| 00:47.00 | troubled | JordiGH: if you submit a stack trace to linux mailing list, they see that and they will (laugh at you|ignore you|tease you) |
| 00:47.02 | Azar | JordiGH: non-free taintet packages that never come with the Debian OS |
| 00:47.03 | wols | Azar: java... |
| 00:47.04 | JordiGH | wols: Ah. But it's not that it taints the license or something? |
| 00:47.17 | Azar | wols: ahhhh... I see |
| 00:47.22 | wols | JordiGH: its sorta does. but since no judge decided on it yet, it's legal limbo |
| 00:47.32 | wols | some kernel devs say it's illegal to use |
| 00:47.37 | wols | some say it's not |
| 00:47.45 | Azar | but when will decide yall corks should remove them |
| 00:48.06 | Azar | I mean.... if the judge say so |
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| 00:48.14 | troubled | JordiGH: a tainted kernel is a dev's way of telling you you get no support and to blame whatever code you tainted the kernel with since its closed source |
| 00:48.44 | soblue | Well, I've enabled UTF-8. Still no noticeable change. |
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| 00:49.08 | JordiGH | troubled: Got it. |
| 00:49.16 | Azar | soblue: well I never use such language, maybe you want to ask other esperantos how they did it |
| 00:49.23 | troubled | JordiGH: sorry, seems i repeated wols statment too ;) |
| 00:49.47 | wols | soblue: http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/howto.html |
| 00:49.53 | soblue | Azar: I guess. |
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| 00:50.05 | unseensoul | http://rafb.net/p/b5xU7447.html how can I solve this? |
| 00:50.16 | pourriture | lol ... the other 12 people who speak esperanto ... and why isn't klingon in locales? |
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| 00:51.16 | Azar | 9 Feb 2005: the glibc maintainers seem to refuse "artificial languages" like Esperanto and Lojban, even if they got a ISO 639 code. |
| 00:52.06 | Azar | soblue: did you see any eo_EO or eo_XX ? |
| 00:52.24 | soblue | Azar: Where? dpkg-reconfigure locales? No. |
| 00:52.34 | Azar | or eo_US, eo_FR, eo-ES ? |
| 00:52.36 | Azar | yes |
| 00:52.42 | Azar | nothing with eo_ ? |
| 00:52.50 | soblue | Azar: Nope. Nothing. |
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| 00:54.05 | Azar | hmmm let me move up in time |
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| 00:55.18 | octoberdan | Is there an apt-get command to remove a package and everything that depends on it? |
| 00:55.28 | soblue | Azar: BTW, I am using Sarge. Is there a later stable version? |
| 00:55.42 | troubled | so, global stats/karma or per channel stats? need some "opinions" |
| 00:56.10 | pourriture | jk ... the whole esperanto thing is kinda cool ... just obscure |
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| 00:56.54 | soblue | pourriture: Somewhat, but it's spoken by 200,000 to 2,000,000 people (depending on whose figures you use). |
| 00:57.01 | jelly-home | troubled: per channel. |
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| 00:57.27 | shaolinint | hi guys |
| 00:57.45 | jelly-home | troubled: sussudio's army of militant badgers might hurt you |
| 00:57.51 | troubled | jelly-home: ;) |
| 00:57.56 | jelly-home | !polls |
| 00:57.56 | Azar | Urlich Drepper Aug 3 2006: There will not be any support for any artificial language. Period. |
| 00:57.57 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:58.04 | shaolinint | my boot splash is not working, I tried few tutorials on the net but still no luck |
| 00:58.08 | troubled | jelly-home: i have my own army of militant badgers though |
| 00:58.15 | shaolinint | any idea? |
| 00:58.18 | pourriture | soblue that is close to the number of people who speak english properly. :) |
| 00:58.45 | jelly-home | !any idea |
| 00:58.46 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a dozen rabid weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 00:59.07 | soblue | pourriture: Well, since Esperanto's so easy to learn, I'd venture to say almost all of us speak it properly. :P |
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| 00:59.18 | shaolinint | wops! |
| 00:59.23 | troubled | jelly-home: well, im about to alter support for stats/karma from the bot. you guys use bots more than anyone I know |
| 00:59.27 | troubled | s/use/abuse/ |
| 00:59.43 | troubled | not that it matters since don will never use trunk for dpkg |
| 00:59.55 | shaolinint | I tried this tutorial https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto and this http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Change_Usplash |
| 01:00.00 | jelly-home | troubled: ah, you're managing blootbot? |
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| 01:00.23 | troubled | jelly-home: managin no, did pgsql support though. 99.9% so far :) |
| 01:00.56 | troubled | having a duplicate pkey issue with the stats table now. seems somewhere down the line someone changed karma/stats |
| 01:01.17 | troubled | dpkg's db shows 90% of the stats with #debian, then all of a sudden they went to the SQL default of PRIVATE |
| 01:01.27 | zrin | I've rw ntfs partition mounted (etch, 2.6.18), but I'm getting "permission denied" (as root) when trying to create a file ... what is going wrong? |
| 01:02.08 | jelly-home | troubled: well, since different channels might have different communities, separate stats might make sense. but I'd expect a bot that's eg. on #debian-* to keep unified stats, so both options are sensible |
| 01:02.10 | keram | how do i get xine to play bin files? |
| 01:02.10 | troubled | so, do I drop per channel stats and the channel column or put it back to #channel specfcific at the cost of increased table size (minor since dpkg only stays in the one channel) |
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| 01:02.42 | Azar | soblue: from what I read Debian "used" to have the eo_ao or whatever is for esperanto, in the past ( I guess woody). Starting with Sarge I thing that was removed |
| 01:03.08 | Azar | I cannot find anything more recent to say how to "add" it. |
| 01:03.10 | soblue | Azar: Damn. That blows. Almost makes me wish I'd stuck with Ubuntu. |
| 01:03.45 | Azar | soblue: if you feel that esperanto is really vital for you well, sad but move with the distro that offers it |
| 01:03.45 | shaolinint | ok guys |
| 01:03.49 | shaolinint | later |
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| 01:04.15 | zrin | I've ntfs partition mounted rw (etch, 2.6.18), but I'm getting "permission denied" (as root) when trying to create a file ... what is going wrong? |
| 01:04.29 | soblue | Azar: I don't think I'll switch back just yet. Being able to switch between GNOME and KDE on the fly is too nice. |
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| 01:04.59 | jelly-home | zrin: in my experience, ntfs-3g offers best ntfs rw support for linux] |
| 01:05.19 | jelly-home | zrin: which ntfs driver are you using? |
| 01:05.21 | dendrite | can anyone point me to a way to mount a cow file? |
| 01:05.22 | troubled | jelly-home: well, thanks for the input. feel free to check out the svn if you have a pgsql up and running. need to test it a little more :) |
| 01:05.42 | zrin | jelly-home: the one that comes with the kernel? |
| 01:05.50 | jelly-home | troubled: mhm, I'm on mysql (and currently the sole user of my bot) ;-) |
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| 01:06.15 | jelly-home | zrin: well, ntfs-3g is better |
| 01:06.18 | tvn | anyone with Verizon DSL and a Westsell modem ? It seems this modem acts as a router and I cannot connect to my own machine - any idea how to fix ? |
| 01:06.40 | Ankman | hehe |
| 01:06.44 | Ankman | sounds familiar |
| 01:06.49 | dendrite | tvn: Does it use pppoe? |
| 01:06.55 | jelly-home | zrin: the kernel one has limited support for writing and will refuse doing anything that it's nor sure of |
| 01:06.57 | troubled | jelly-home: bloot? |
| 01:06.58 | Ankman | bell here, speedstream |
| 01:06.59 | soblue | Azar: I wonder why E-o support was removed from Debian. It seems strange to trash that much work. |
| 01:07.02 | zrin | jelly-home: does the driver in etch's current kernel (2.6.18) support writing to ntfs? |
| 01:07.03 | jelly-home | troubled: yup |
| 01:07.06 | tvn | dendrite: yes I think it does |
| 01:07.21 | jelly-home | zrin: apt-get install ntfs-3g works in etch ;-) |
| 01:07.22 | dendrite | tvn: So have you set up pppoe? |
| 01:07.30 | phaedral | w007! checksum checks this time :) |
| 01:07.44 | troubled | jelly-home: grab r1316 and test it. some bug fixes and changes too. reworked the setup/ dir |
| 01:08.03 | tvn | dendrite: I have no idea how to do so |
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| 01:08.23 | dendrite | tvn: Well, apt-cache search pppoe, find the packages you need, apt-get install them... And read their docs. |
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| 01:08.41 | zrin | jelly-home: thank you, I thought creating a file is such a basic thing that a driver which claims rw support should be capable to do it |
| 01:09.11 | jelly-home | zrin: heh. actually it handles existing files better than creating new ones |
| 01:09.24 | jelly-home | zrin: (the kernel driver, I mean) |
| 01:09.35 | Azar | soblue: well there was an explanation there.. |
| 01:09.44 | zrin | jelly-home: i see, thank you |
| 01:10.40 | jelly-home | zrin: http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ for details, probably |
| 01:11.21 | Azar | soblue: scroll down on this at Paul Eggert's comment: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2135#c4 |
| 01:11.34 | jelly-home | dpkg, ntfs =~ s|linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net|http://www.linux-ntfs.org/| |
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| 01:12.56 | jelly-home | ntfs |
| 01:13.19 | jelly-home | !ntfs |
| 01:13.20 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> : see http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html |
| 01:13.25 | Azar | gah thats not debian bugzilla |
| 01:13.31 | jelly-home | meh |
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| 01:13.42 | dav__ | elo |
| 01:13.49 | dav__ | i have a very strange problem |
| 01:14.45 | dav__ | when i run X at boot, i have a blck screen for at least 1 minue during that black screen nothing happenned and after X run ... |
| 01:15.02 | dav__ | i m using an old S3 Virge but it s a P700 with 390 RAM |
| 01:16.52 | jelly-home | Woah, ntfs-3g is considered "stable". |
| 01:17.35 | soblue | Azar: I just reread that.. I agree not to have eo_XX for all XX, but I don't see why eo_EO is unwarranted. And this seems to be relating to glibc, not Debian itself anyway. |
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| 01:19.30 | soblue | Azar: Maybe we just need eieio_EIEIO :) |
| 01:20.07 | Azar | soblue: I guess it is not the Debian development who decided that but the glib maintainers... I am not sure how the issue was solved if was solved |
| 01:20.12 | Guerin | soblue: heh |
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| 01:20.17 | rfrank | hey guys, I have a generic USB sound device; any chance I could get it workin with alsa |
| 01:20.34 | Guerin | soblue: ask on the debian-i18n mailing list |
| 01:20.46 | Guerin | rfrank: there is no such thing as a `generic' device |
| 01:20.57 | Guerin | rfrank: find out what shipset is in it and google your heart out |
| 01:21.09 | rfrank | Guerin, how can I figure out what chipset |
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| 01:21.23 | rfrank | its a very cheap unit - doesnt come with documentation or anything |
| 01:21.26 | Guerin | rfrank: lsusb, or eyeometer |
| 01:21.35 | rfrank | Guerin, tx |
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| 01:21.53 | soblue | Guerin: I may do that later, but right now I don't have time to follow up with a mailing list. I'm taking some college classes (unrelated to Esperanto). |
| 01:23.02 | Darius08x | Hay guys, I recently installed the newest version of debain from goodbye-microsoft.com or whatever. The main reason I got it was to set up my laptop as a server pretty much. I just want to run a simple php chat off of it. Windows was giving me hell so I changed. I heard that there was some LAMP thing I could install that would get me everything I need. (apache, php, mysql, etc.) I was wondering what that is, if it exists? Or should |
| 01:23.26 | Darius08x | I think that may have gotten cut off a little bit. |
| 01:23.26 | rfrank | Guerin, it gives me this output: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 1130:f211 Tenx Technology, Inc. |
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| 01:23.30 | rfrank | Guerin, how do I use this |
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| 01:27.02 | wols | Darius08x: apt-get install apache2 libapach2-mod-php4 mysql-server mysql-client |
| 01:27.19 | walterk | http://www.digg.com/environment/Top_15_Global_Warming_Effects |
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| 01:27.39 | wolfeon | walterk: this is not #politics |
| 01:27.47 | wolfeon | nor #nature |
| 01:28.24 | Darius08x | Yeah, thats it wols. I'm very bad with computers. So I don't really know what to do. Is there just a .tar.gz or whatever for all those? Or will I have to get them from the main site? |
| 01:28.41 | Azar | soblue: see if you find any il8n locale |
| 01:29.16 | wols | Darius08x: I gave you the commandline to use |
| 01:29.26 | soblue | Azar: There's lots of i18n locales... French, German, Swahili... but no Esperanto |
| 01:29.49 | Darius08x | Oh, I see wols. |
| 01:29.54 | Darius08x | Ok, one second. |
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| 01:30.00 | wols | !tell Darius08x about grounding |
| 01:30.02 | Guerin | rfrank: now google, or look up a vendor/device id list |
| 01:30.30 | Guerin | rfrank: 1130 is a vendor id; f211 is a device id |
| 01:30.32 | Guerin | rfrank: good luck |
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| 01:30.50 | rfrank | ... bleh |
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| 01:33.12 | soblue | Azar: I just opened the Character Map to poke around. I *did* find the Esperanto characters there. |
| 01:33.18 | soblue | Under Latin |
| 01:33.27 | soblue | but I still don't know how to type them on Debian |
| 01:34.05 | phreqmod | rox |
| 01:34.06 | Guerin | soblue: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 01:34.23 | soblue | Guerin: OK.. |
| 01:36.15 | soblue | I just messaged that bot... and it said I'd have to run a command and then use the Windows key. I have a laptop.. no Windows key. |
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| 01:36.16 | Guerin | soblue: you can bind another arbitrary key to it. I recommend capslock. |
| 01:36.16 | jpin | How can i make a print inside a makefile? |
| 01:36.16 | Guerin | hurrah for laptops with no stupid windows keys! |
| 01:36.28 | Guerin | jpin: wtf is `make a print' supposed to mean? |
| 01:36.41 | jpin | Guerin: i'm trying to debug some variable inside the makefile |
| 01:36.48 | jpin | Guerin: how can i do this.. |
| 01:36.51 | Guerin | jpin: no, what do you MEAN |
| 01:37.04 | Guerin | `make a print' doesn't make sense |
| 01:37.23 | soblue | Guerin: okay.. I'll read up on this xmodmap command. Thanks. |
| 01:37.24 | jpin | Guerin: i want to print a variable value (inside a makefile) |
| 01:37.40 | Guerin | jpin: you mean output it to the terminal? Or print it to a printer? |
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| 01:38.15 | jpin | Guerin: i wan't to know the content of object=$(source:.cpp=.o) for instance.... (print to the terminal... _not_ to the printer..(man!!)) |
| 01:38.24 | Guerin | jpin: echo $VARIABLE |
| 01:38.29 | jpin | ah! thanks man |
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| 01:38.38 | jelly-home | !captive |
| 01:38.38 | Darius08x | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.39 | Guerin | no worries |
| 01:38.39 | dpkg | it has been said that captive is a fuse-based NTFS read/write filesystem for Linux which uses dirty hacks, wine code and Windows DLLs to access your precious files. abrotman says "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT". Ask me about <ntfs-3g>, which is probably better for you. |
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| 01:38.50 | Guerin | woah, blast from the basic past |
| 01:38.59 | jelly-home | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:39.00 | dpkg | well, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, available in etch and Debian unstable. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs> |
| 01:39.32 | jelly-home | that's more like it. |
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| 01:39.53 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 01:40.17 | Azar | soblue: are you using Debian Sarge? the stable? |
| 01:40.19 | tengulre | who know blackberry phone? |
| 01:40.26 | soblue | Azar: Yes. |
| 01:40.29 | phreqmod | [12~ |
| 01:41.20 | Azar | soblue: I am just reading an article by Joey Hess back in 2005 where he said that Esperanto is in the Etch's (testing) installer |
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| 01:41.22 | Azar | http://lwn.net/Articles/159981/ |
| 01:41.28 | soblue | hmm. |
| 01:41.50 | Azar | you could try install Etch with the netinstaller |
| 01:42.52 | troubled | !karma jelly-home |
| 01:42.53 | dpkg | jelly-home has karma of 1 |
| 01:43.00 | troubled | !jelly-home++ |
| 01:43.02 | troubled | !karma jelly-home |
| 01:43.03 | dpkg | jelly-home has karma of 2 |
| 01:43.37 | soblue | Azar: Um, wouldn't that make all my programs use Esperanto too? I just want to be able to SWITCH into Esperanto keyboarding mode (like I could do in Ubuntu), not have everything translated to Esperanto. |
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| 01:43.53 | troubled | jelly-home: well, ill have to check dpkg's db later to see the channel it used ;) but the next rev should have it back to per channel at least |
| 01:44.09 | saint-takeshi | is there an app to resize a partition without losing the data on it? |
| 01:44.33 | jelly-home | troubled: another couple billions and I might earn enough for my next incarnation :-| |
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| 01:44.40 | saint-takeshi | preferably a graphical one, i hate long numbers |
| 01:44.43 | troubled | jelly-home: ya :) |
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| 01:45.09 | jpin | Does anyone know how to add a second pattern to this (makefile) objects=$(sources:.cpp=.o) (i'm trying to add ".c=.o" too) |
| 01:45.35 | troubled | jelly-home: well, dpkg can tell me your karma via msg but not set it, which can only mean dpkg is currently using "PRIVATE" or global settings |
| 01:45.40 | archville | jpin, maybe separating with ";" or "," ? |
| 01:45.47 | jpin | archville: i've tried |
| 01:45.55 | troubled | jelly-home: mind joining #debian-bots for a minute so I can test that theory? |
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| 01:47.37 | saint-takeshi | will i need a liveCD to resize my (one big) partition, as its mounted? |
| 01:48.02 | troubled | jelly-home: ya, i found the offending code and fixed it on my bot i think |
| 01:48.09 | jelly-home | saint-takeshi: probably |
| 01:48.16 | troubled | well, lets find out |
| 01:48.22 | saint-takeshi | damn |
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| 01:48.24 | FactBot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of troubled) |
| 01:48.31 | troubled | FactBot: hello |
| 01:48.31 | FactBot | salut, troubled |
| 01:48.56 | troubled | FactBot: chanset #debian addressCharacter % |
| 01:48.56 | FactBot | no such channel #debian |
| 01:49.07 | troubled | FactBot: +chan #debian |
| 01:49.09 | troubled | FactBot: chanset #debian addressCharacter % |
| 01:49.09 | FactBot | no such channel #debian |
| 01:49.24 | troubled | one of those days ;) brb while I dicipline the bot heh |
| 01:49.53 | troubled | FactBot: chanset #debian addressCharacter % |
| 01:49.53 | FactBot | Setting addressCharacter for #debian to '%'. |
| 01:50.00 | troubled | %karma jelly-home |
| 01:50.00 | FactBot | jelly-home has neutral karma |
| 01:50.00 | badgers | jelly-home has karma of 1 |
| 01:50.14 | jpin | archville: found a solution: oc = $(sources:.c=.o) \n objects = $(oc:.cpp=.o) (thanks) |
| 01:50.15 | troubled | i cant win.... |
| 01:50.21 | troubled | FactBot: chanset #debian addressCharacter * |
| 01:50.22 | FactBot | Setting addressCharacter for #debian to '*'; was '%'. |
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| 01:50.38 | troubled | *jelly-home++ |
| 01:50.41 | jelly-home | *test |
| 01:50.41 | FactBot | Test Failed. |
| 01:50.45 | troubled | *jelly-home++ |
| 01:50.51 | troubled | *karma jelly-home |
| 01:50.51 | FactBot | jelly-home has karma of 2 |
| 01:50.56 | jelly-home | botherder. |
| 01:50.58 | archville | jpin, nice :) |
| 01:51.13 | troubled | jelly-home: yup, its workin, you have neutral in my channel |
| 01:51.21 | troubled | *owner |
| 01:51.22 | FactBot | troubled owns me |
| 01:51.35 | troubled | least it doesnt say dondel ;) |
| 01:51.44 | jelly-home | can the new blootbot be on two servers at the same time? |
| 01:51.52 | jelly-home | I'd find that useful. |
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| 01:52.19 | troubled | jelly-home: havent tried it yet. seems like it has options to jump servers, but unless the db's were diff it wouldnt work |
| 01:52.32 | jelly-home | (I could drag my bot with me wherever I go ;-) |
| 01:52.34 | troubled | jelly-home: what if he was on #debian on two diff servers? stats wouldnt make sense |
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| 01:52.57 | troubled | would have to add a new column for server and alter the pkeys |
| 01:53.29 | jelly-home | troubled: maybe, but you could eg. have a single bot for freenode and irc.d.o |
| 01:53.54 | troubled | jelly-home: the only issue with this karma/stats "fix" is that you cant ask for karma in a msg. although that could be changed to allow specifiying a channel in msg chat |
| 01:54.52 | troubled | jelly-home: who knows, ill check into it though. i was intersted when I first seen the options in place for the servers to join. would be nice. right now im more interested in bug fixes and full pgsql support though |
| 01:54.55 | jelly-home | troubled: it could say that karma is per-channel based, that would be ok |
| 01:55.23 | troubled | jelly-home: well, they did have a karma table created at one point. just never used it though |
| 01:55.53 | troubled | jelly-home: changing its the easy part. the hard part is not breaking existing db's like dpkg's and apt's. |
| 01:56.37 | troubled | jelly-home: actually thats already happened where tons of data is useless in the db. take the CMD: -> cmd: change. the latest svn cant even remove CMD: since it lower cases it first |
| 01:57.19 | jelly-home | troubled: yup. that's why apps have internal api versions. Eg. phpbb has the db version in its config table I think |
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| 01:58.31 | jelly-home | not that phpbb is otherwise any good, but they have their upgrades worked out rather ok |
| 01:58.36 | troubled | jelly-home: well, with a db its not too big of a deal to have unused columns. but nobody ever goes through dpkg's db to clean up. sooooo much useless junk in there. about 8k tuples of #DEL# items too over the last 5 years or so |
| 01:58.40 | balodja | hi, does anyone remember link to comparison of some algorithms written in most popular languages? |
| 01:58.43 | troubled | *stats |
| 01:58.44 | FactBot | Since Sat Mar 10 17:55:37 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 30 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 30 commands. I have been awake for 1d 7h 50m this session, and currently reference 25876 factoids. I'm using about 22180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 26.81/65.54 child 0/0.13 |
| 01:58.47 | troubled | !stats |
| 01:58.49 | dpkg | Since Sun Mar 11 11:05:04 2007, there have been 15 modifications, 195 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 58 commands. I have been awake for 14h 53m 43s this session, and currently reference 37201 factoids. I'm using about 13872 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 85.48/4.93 child 0.01/0.02 |
| 01:59.45 | troubled | hmmm, speed comparison? :) pgsql vs mysql |
| 02:00.01 | troubled | *chanset #debian addressCharacter ! |
| 02:00.02 | FactBot | Setting addressCharacter for #debian to '!'; was '*'. |
| 02:00.13 | troubled | !listvalues sex |
| 02:00.15 | FactBot | Factoid search of 'sex' by value (15 of 125): bighawk ;; bikini ;; computers ;; cooties ;; documentation ;; fut0n ;; glory road ;; homosexual ;; madhuri ;; qotd172 ;; sexygeek ;; solitude's butt ;; tgamp ;; winnuke ;; you a boy or a girl. |
| 02:00.21 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sex' by value (15 of 138): "what ;; aku ;; bsg ;; ch1x0r ;; courage ;; documentation ;; german sex ;; homosexual ;; metrosexual ;; oppdal ;; pip ;; sex0r ;; slicker ;; south park ;; start an editor war. |
| 02:00.28 | jelly-home | !info asterisk sarge |
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| 02:00.35 | dpkg | asterisk: (open source Private Branch Exchange (PBX)), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.7.dfsg.1-2sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1144 kB, Installed size: 3072 kB |
| 02:00.40 | FactBot | asterisk: (open source Private Branch Exchange (PBX)), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.7.dfsg.1-2sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1144 kB, Installed size: 3072 kB |
| 02:00.50 | troubled | my bot had to download the files there |
| 02:00.56 | balodja | troubled: yeah, speed comparison. there were languages like perl, python, php, c++, fortran and other |
| 02:00.59 | troubled | try a db search |
| 02:01.17 | jelly-home | !listkeys ntfs |
| 02:01.19 | FactBot | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (14): read-ntfs ;; ntfs-3g ;; captiventfs ;; mount ntfs ;; ntfsro ;; ro-ntfs ;; ntfs resizing ;; ntfsrw ;; ntfs-faq ;; ntfs rw ;; user accessible ntfs ;; ntfs ;; ntfs resize ;; ntfs3g. |
| 02:01.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 33): #debian ntfs rw ;; #debian ro-ntfs ;; #debian-bots ro-ntfs ;; _default captiventfs ;; _default ntfs ;; _default ntfs resize ;; _default read-ntfs ;; _default user accessible ntfs ;; captiventfs ;; mount ntfs ;; ntfs-faq ;; ntfs3g ;; ntfsro ;; read-ntfs ;; ro-ntfs. |
| 02:01.26 | sid | get rid of factbot, what is that crap |
| 02:01.30 | troubled | balodja: dpkg and FactBot are same code almost and similar db's. FactBot is cleaned a tad and a bit smaller though |
| 02:01.52 | troubled | sid: testing, dont worry, he's leaving |
| 02:01.55 | sussudio | %fist troubled |
| 02:02.02 | troubled | !-chan #debian |
| 02:02.02 | FactBot | Prefix channel with '-' to delete for sure. |
| 02:02.07 | troubled | !-chan -#debian |
| 02:02.08 | FactBot | Deleting channel #debian for sure! |
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| 02:02.17 | troubled | lol, got jack good too ;) |
| 02:02.20 | jelly-home | He's dead, Jim |
| 02:02.22 | troubled | sussudio: hey! |
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| 02:02.37 | troubled | jelly-home: dpkg must be loaded down cause that was shameful ;) |
| 02:03.08 | jelly-home | troubled: I have no idea what those _default results are |
| 02:03.11 | troubled | im running vmware too atm |
| 02:03.26 | balodja | troubled: hm, i thought you were speaking about my question :) |
| 02:03.33 | troubled | jelly-home: _default is the default channel or user when nothing specfic matches |
| 02:03.55 | troubled | balodja: oh sorry no. just comparing the "new and old" blootbot db's ;) |
| 02:04.06 | balodja | i guess :) |
| 02:04.08 | jelly-home | balodja: didja mean shootout.alioth.debian.org ? |
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| 02:05.37 | balodja | jelly-home: that's it! great thanks :) |
| 02:05.37 | arnord | trying out an example fr "Get a quick VPN with OpenVPN". after i start the openvpn server with the given config file, it goes into a loop, i.e. command prompt does not re-appear. is that normal? |
| 02:06.26 | arnord | server.conf has: dev tun |
| 02:06.28 | arnord | ifconfig 10.10.10.1 10.10.10.2 |
| 02:06.29 | arnord | secret static.key |
| 02:06.53 | troubled | jelly-home: well, i guess the next thing i need to work on is making a convert script for ya :) gotta switch you over to a real man's db |
| 02:08.24 | troubled | jelly-home: was debating adding another user flag to allow use of stress test commands. something like, create 10 million random factoids. then you can really speed test the bots |
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| 02:09.59 | troubled | sussudio: so what you been up to? |
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| 02:10.04 | arnord | no one knows a shit about vpn here? |
| 02:10.04 | troubled | sussudio: meant to say hi other day but you know how it is. noticed rahul was around too |
| 02:10.06 | troubled | !seen rahul |
| 02:10.07 | dpkg | rahul <n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 18h 51s ago, saying: 'brophat: you tell me'. |
| 02:10.08 | *** mode/#debian [+l 697] by debhelper |
| 02:10.36 | arnord | !seen Azar |
| 02:10.37 | dpkg | azar is currently on #debian (6h 30m 20s). Has said a total of 119 messages. Is idling for 28m 46s, last said: 'you could try install Etch with the netinstaller'. |
| 02:10.52 | arnord | !seen Guerin |
| 02:10.53 | dpkg | guerin is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 32m 3s, last said: 'woah, blast from the basic past'. |
| 02:11.15 | troubled | jelly-home: anyways, ill get someone to commit more changes later if your interested in that per channel stats. need mysql tested for changes too. see the Changelog if you do decide to help out by giving feedback |
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| 02:11.43 | Guerin | arnord: if /exit and /quit arer sitting in a plane and /exit jumps out, who's left in the plane? |
| 02:11.48 | troubled | arnord: /msg dpkg listvalues vpn |
| 02:12.09 | troubled | !bot abuse |
| 02:12.09 | arnord | Guerin: the answer is : Guerin. |
| 02:12.10 | arnord | :D |
| 02:12.41 | jpin | does anyone know if it's possible to have a conditional "include" in a makefile ? |
| 02:14.06 | Azar | back, what up arnold? |
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| 02:15.38 | jelly-home | arnord: why not ask #openvpn ? |
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| 02:15.41 | FactBot | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of troubled) |
| 02:15.56 | Guerin | troubled: kill your bot |
| 02:16.01 | troubled | no |
| 02:16.08 | Guerin | troubled: at least until you've asked dondelelcaro for permission |
| 02:16.09 | troubled | *chanset #debian +silent |
| 02:16.09 | FactBot | Setting silent for #debian to '1'. |
| 02:16.25 | arnord | jelly-home: thks, on my way there. bye. |
| 02:16.27 | Azar | soblue: you could configure bash for your user only to use esperanto not root or other users.. |
| 02:16.28 | troubled | Guerin: new silent mode thanks to tim :) |
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| 02:16.39 | troubled | *test |
| 02:16.45 | troubled | ;) |
| 02:16.56 | troubled | all the more reason to update |
| 02:17.02 | troubled | besides, need some logs :p |
| 02:17.14 | soblue | Azar: I think I may have found the answer to my problem. There's a file called /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/eo_rg on my system. I opened the file and it says it handles the differences between US/EO keyboards. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 also mentions a similar directory (but not quite the same). I'm gonna try that. |
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| 02:18.00 | troubled | Guerin: he shouldnt make a sound in here. surely thats no different the the other 700 useless idlers here |
| 02:18.01 | Azar | soblue: ok cool see if you got any README on /usr/share regarding this topic |
| 02:18.23 | troubled | ya im talking about _YOU_ >:) |
| 02:19.11 | Azar | don't touch Guerin please |
| 02:20.16 | soblue | Azar: I don't see anything there about the eo_rg file (or any other eo_) specifically, but I'm still gonna try it. Be back later. |
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| 02:23.32 | Azar | hehe.. I bet nobody changed the time on the servers at my workplace |
| 02:23.48 | Azar | clockstrike |
| 02:23.52 | Azar | hehehe |
| 02:24.47 | sid | Will everyone get paid overtime at your company? |
| 02:25.09 | troubled | Azar: by _YOU_ i wasnt refering to Guerin ;p |
| 02:25.18 | Azar | ouch no, everyone will get "late" at work |
| 02:25.35 | Azar | troubled: ah ok, you better not :) |
| 02:25.42 | tengulre | anybody working at home in here? |
| 02:25.58 | troubled | bah, like i would verbaly bash Guerin! he da'man! |
| 02:26.40 | jelly-home | sick: "Q: Can I use NTFS as my root file system? A: Yes, this is possible." |
| 02:27.04 | troubled | jelly-home: heh, wouldnt that be a treat |
| 02:28.08 | DocPlatypus | jelly-home: "A: Yes, this is possible, it is also possible to get your head examined." |
| 02:28.45 | jelly-home | probably useful for experimenting w/ Linux without reformatting |
| 02:30.14 | wad | I'm a bit confused. I'm wanting install php, but apt-file search php5 doesn't give me much. Is php5 not availabe for debian? |
| 02:30.40 | tuvwx | wols, that hp deal doesn't exactly look like crap to me now (it includes a 20.1" WS LCD). i managed to assemble a somewhat similar machine for at least $1022 CAD (with a slower CPU but probably faster RAM) |
| 02:31.18 | Azar | funny was my small exchange with my boss: boss whos gonna take care of all servers and terminals on sunday morning? he looks at me , thinks a bit and emits: do you think it is such a big deal to have an hour back or ahead? I don't think so .. he continues... nobody gonna die |
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| 02:36.02 | jpin | does anyone know the needed package to i can compile with the header "X11/Xlib.h" ? |
| 02:36.13 | jpin | to=so |
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| 02:37.21 | jpin | libx11-dev (thanks) |
| 02:37.35 | jelly-home | you're welcome ;-) |
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| 02:38.20 | spldart | Question.... I've installed deb etch...2.6.18-4-486 then custom built a kernel with only the modules I needed and k6 processor optioned in on 2.6.20.1 source I got from kernel.org. That's all successfully running and I ditched the 2.6.18-4-386 kernel. But problem is I can't build aftermarket module packages... I need support for my ralink rt61 card but all make attempts fail cuz I don't have kernel-headers for this 2.6.20.1-k6 I bui |
| 02:38.55 | Azar | xlibs-dev? |
| 02:38.58 | spldart | I tried pointing m-a at the build source I had left over but it says that it can't use it |
| 02:39.06 | Azar | ah |
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| 02:39.35 | tvn | I can't seem to ssh to a newly setup etch machine -- is there a default firewall or something that might block incoming ssh ? |
| 02:39.36 | troubled | *-chan -#debian |
| 02:39.36 | FactBot | Deleting channel #debian for sure! |
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| 02:39.44 | troubled | Guerin: :) |
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| 02:41.19 | Nibbier | tvn, is sshd installed and started? |
| 02:41.27 | tvn | Nibbier: yes - I can ssh localhost fine |
| 02:41.35 | tvn | just that I cannot ssh to the machine from another one |
| 02:41.43 | Nibbier | tvn, iptables -nL |
| 02:42.05 | Nibbier | tvn, network setup is ok, ping works? |
| 02:42.12 | tvn | Nibbier: yep ping works |
| 02:42.19 | Nibbier | sshd listens on 0.0.0.0, not on localhost? |
| 02:42.29 | tvn | what does that mean ? |
| 02:42.44 | Nibbier | tvn: check with netstat -nap|grep LISTEN |
| 02:43.02 | Nibbier | if its bound on localhost it cant be connected from other hosts |
| 02:43.18 | tvn | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 3338/sshd <= I found something like this with netstat -nap | grep LISTEN |
| 02:43.36 | Nibbier | this is ipv6 |
| 02:43.41 | tvn | ? |
| 02:43.50 | Nibbier | got any other line including sshd? |
| 02:44.03 | tvn | that's all |
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| 02:44.06 | tvn | just that line |
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| 02:44.43 | jelly-home | ipvsux |
| 02:44.47 | Nibbier | yep |
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| 02:45.05 | FuzzyB | does debian have a gui tool for configuring samba? |
| 02:45.06 | Nibbier | tvn: its bound to your ipv6 adress instead of the normal one |
| 02:45.14 | FuzzyB | other than webmin |
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| 02:45.27 | Nibbier | tvn: check /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 02:45.35 | jetscreamer | tksamba, |
| 02:45.36 | tvn | Nibbier: what should I look for in sshd_config ? |
| 02:45.39 | jetscreamer | samba4k |
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| 02:45.43 | jetscreamer | others |
| 02:45.47 | Nibbier | tvn, listenadress |
| 02:46.03 | tvn | #ListenAddress :: |
| 02:46.03 | tvn | #ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 |
| 02:46.09 | tvn | they are commented out |
| 02:46.10 | jetscreamer | paste |
| 02:46.20 | Nibbier | tvn, put in your ip |
| 02:46.50 | tvn | the local ip ? like 192.168.1.3 ? |
| 02:46.55 | Nibbier | tvn, yes |
| 02:47.08 | Nibbier | the one you would type in on the other machine to reach this one |
| 02:47.58 | tvn | sorry it doesn't work - it just stall and timed out |
| 02:48.04 | tvn | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 02:48.23 | Nibbier | any more in ssh -vvv 192.168.1.3? |
| 02:48.30 | Nibbier | at least it was closed |
| 02:48.34 | Nibbier | and not rejected |
| 02:48.38 | Nibbier | check netstat again |
| 02:49.06 | tvn | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.3:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 02:49.21 | Nibbier | much better |
| 02:49.34 | Nibbier | you use putty to connect? |
| 02:49.44 | tvn | I just use ssh |
| 02:49.48 | tvn | the other machine is also linux |
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| 02:49.59 | Nibbier | tvn, modern one, so you use ssh2? |
| 02:50.04 | tvn | yes |
| 02:50.06 | tvn | ssh2 |
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| 02:50.19 | Nibbier | can you paste the full -vvv output (nopaste) |
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| 02:51.24 | tvn | debug1: Connecting to 192.168.1.3 port 22 <= just stalled here |
| 02:51.41 | tvn | I have to go - I'll be back later on --- thanks for your help |
| 02:51.45 | Azar | hello mister jetscreamer |
| 02:51.55 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 02:51.58 | Nibbier | you are welcome |
| 02:52.08 | Nibbier | im ff to bed now, so good luck to oyu tvn |
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| 03:00.27 | Azar | hey the Sunday is almost over.... |
| 03:00.59 | Azar | jetscreamer: since now is quiet can we ask each other questions for help? |
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| 03:03.18 | jetscreamer | uh sure... |
| 03:03.38 | Azar | me first is ok with you? |
| 03:04.15 | jetscreamer | sure go for it dude! |
| 03:04.31 | Azar | not that I try to excuse my neglection but been a while since I was learnin C now I forgot how to compile a C file |
| 03:04.51 | Azar | so how do I do after I save the file? |
| 03:05.13 | jetscreamer | make? |
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| 03:06.05 | Azar | uhhhh no was something else.. |
| 03:06.15 | jetscreamer | make config? |
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| 03:07.05 | Azar | not sure if is cc myfile.c -o myfile .. |
| 03:07.25 | Azar | hmm cc or g++ ? |
| 03:07.42 | Azar | Id go with cc for C but not sure |
| 03:07.58 | jetscreamer | i've no idea dude... i would guess g++ for c++ is all i know |
| 03:08.09 | Azar | jetscreamer: oh no just small C exercises to learn.... not system stuff |
| 03:08.19 | cast | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-01-18 19:41 /etc/alternatives/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc |
| 03:08.44 | jetscreamer | ah gcc |
| 03:08.50 | Azar | yes gcc stuff |
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| 03:09.07 | entalpija | hi |
| 03:09.21 | Azar | hello |
| 03:09.38 | entalpija | lilo 99 99 99 .... on an new installed debian |
| 03:09.48 | entalpija | what thats mean? |
| 03:09.59 | Azar | oh so is gcc not cc |
| 03:10.09 | jetscreamer | it means your bootloader didn't get installed properly |
| 03:10.14 | jetscreamer | why didn't you use grub |
| 03:10.23 | jetscreamer | the default isn't it |
| 03:10.31 | entalpija | jetscreamer grab the same situation |
| 03:10.38 | entalpija | may be old mb? |
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| 03:10.54 | Azar | where did you installed it on? the mbr? |
| 03:10.55 | jetscreamer | you'll lneed to boot that emergency boot floppy you made and rerun lilo] |
| 03:10.57 | entalpija | and hdd mixed in bios? |
| 03:11.12 | jetscreamer | after checking /etc/lilo.conf |
| 03:11.21 | entalpija | on mbr of course |
| 03:12.19 | entalpija | jetscreamer thinking it is automaticly generated |
| 03:12.35 | entalpija | what may be wrong in lilo? |
| 03:12.49 | jetscreamer | yes the lilo.conf is automagically generated |
| 03:12.55 | jetscreamer | by liloconfig |
| 03:13.07 | jetscreamer | i've had that, i just boot up again and rerun lilo |
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| 03:13.17 | jetscreamer | i use grub nowadays though |
| 03:13.46 | entalpija | ok, i'd like try it now |
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| 03:18.29 | Hunnur | hmm. My acpi seems to have gone dumb and mute |
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| 03:24.18 | server_ | is dm-linear part of stock kernels? |
| 03:26.11 | cast | /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-vserver-amd64/kernel/drivers/md/linear.ko |
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| 03:27.13 | cast | [iirc anyway] |
| 03:27.27 | sontek | what does the line "auto lo eth0" do in interfaces? I understand auto eth0 says bring up during ifup |
| 03:27.30 | sontek | but whats lo for? |
| 03:27.51 | sontek | I'm having a problem with my nic ignoring my static definition every once in awhile and going to dhcp |
| 03:27.52 | cast | auto lo automagically brings up lo0, right? |
| 03:28.03 | cast | eh, lo i man |
| 03:28.05 | server_ | cast I've been out smarting myself all week, I though there was a dm prefix. |
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| 03:28.49 | cast | server_: that was the only module i found matching linear, so it might not be the right one :) |
| 03:29.39 | cakoose | Recently, "apt-get update" has been going up to 99% and then getting stuck. Anyone know what might be wrong? |
| 03:29.41 | \amethyst | sontek: that says that both loopback (127/8) and eth0 should be brought up by default |
| 03:29.49 | server_ | cast I'm trying evms and its complaining about dm-linear, its gotta be it |
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| 03:30.02 | jetscreamer | cakoose: when i have something similar to that i try a different source |
| 03:30.04 | niru | hello all |
| 03:30.16 | niru | hello jetscreamer |
| 03:30.22 | Azar | sontek: for static is auto eth0 |
| 03:30.24 | niru | I have a debian system |
| 03:30.26 | jetscreamer | howdy |
| 03:30.46 | niru | when I click on Desktop--Administration---services |
| 03:30.47 | jetscreamer | the auto means automatically bring up the interface |
| 03:31.06 | sontek | Azar: I have iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.254 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:31.10 | niru | I get a warning that check that you have permission to run this command |
| 03:31.20 | jetscreamer | when you start getting allow-hotplug in there instead of auto change it back for a quick fix :) |
| 03:31.21 | niru | and the application stops |
| 03:31.25 | niru | what I need yo do |
| 03:31.27 | sontek | yes after a day or so i'll lose my connection and when I go to the server its because it got a dhcp ip |
| 03:31.35 | niru | I am even running the application as root |
| 03:31.37 | jetscreamer | niru: install gksu mayibe |
| 03:31.40 | jetscreamer | oh not sure |
| 03:32.11 | niru | jetscreamer is installed |
| 03:32.12 | Azar | sontek: to me that looks like a dhcp not a static |
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| 03:32.27 | unseensoul | hi |
| 03:32.41 | sontek | Azar: why? |
| 03:32.50 | Azar | any 192.168.x.x. looks a dhcp to me |
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| 03:33.11 | jetscreamer | no it will just say iface dhcp or something |
| 03:33.12 | unseensoul | what does StartupNotify in .desktop files means? |
| 03:33.17 | server_ | device-mapper: ioctl error adding target to table Anybody know what thats from?? |
| 03:33.20 | sontek | Azar: its just an ip, it has nothing to do with how its assigned |
| 03:34.01 | cakoose | jetscreamer: Switching mirrors worked. Thanks. |
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| 03:34.22 | Azar | sontek: it looks like that ip is a given by your dhcp gateway, not an independent, static |
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| 03:35.24 | \amethyst | Azar: How can you tell by looking at the address that it's assigned by DHCP and not statically? |
| 03:35.52 | Azar | the dhcp assigns those 192.168.x.x adresses usually |
| 03:35.55 | \amethyst | err |
| 03:36.01 | \amethyst | DHCP assigns whatever you configure it to |
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| 03:36.25 | Azar | oh? ok |
| 03:37.03 | Azar | I used to use a d-link router with four assigned ips each was a 192.168.x.x, now I am using a static instead and is an isp assigned ip |
| 03:37.10 | \amethyst | In my network, it's exactly backwards: I get my public IP address via DHCP, but the locals are assigned statically |
| 03:37.39 | \amethyst | Azar: 192.168.x.x is an *internal* address, but that doesn't necessarily correlate with DHCP |
| 03:37.41 | Azar | been long I might have lost track of how it goes |
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| 03:40.39 | Azar | so sontek how is that listed under: autho lo eth0, or autho eth0 ? |
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| 03:48.32 | wad | So I did "apt-get install awstats" to install this package. After looking at the website for the package, it seems that the debian version is a bit different. Where would I find instructions on configuring the debian version of a package? I'm sure there are installation notes somewhere around... |
| 03:48.59 | cast | dpkg -L pkgname |
| 03:49.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching pkgname |
| 03:49.12 | cast | then look to see what docs it installed, prob in /usr/share/docs/ |
| 03:49.21 | wad | Ah, of course. Thnks! |
| 03:50.02 | Azar | wow, we can use make to compile a c file... never knew that |
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| 03:50.31 | cast | Azar: you can use make to execute any set of commands... |
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| 03:52.04 | \amethyst | Don't even need a makefile :) |
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| 03:59.36 | carson | egrep -s -r randompattern * <-- this works, this doesn't --> egrep -s -r randompattern *.c |
| 03:59.42 | carson | how do i do the latter correctly? |
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| 04:03.05 | peterS | carson: find . -name \*.c | xargs egrep -s |
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| 04:03.32 | Azar | mister pterS! good evening |
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| 04:03.43 | peterS | or if you happen to use zsh as your shell, egrep -s randompattern **/*.c |
| 04:03.46 | peterS | Azar. |
| 04:04.32 | Azar | I am so baffled debian has so many tools to help with compiling C I never knew |
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| 04:05.05 | peterS | Azar: ha, that's no surprise, free software developers tend to write software they find useful, which means ... lots of software that's useful for software developers |
| 04:05.07 | Azar | infact now I remember why I wanted to move to Debian before continuing my C lessons... |
| 04:06.02 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.17 | peterS | it's a weakness in the free software model, really - a disproportionate amount of energy goes into development tools because that's what _we_ care about, not nearly as much energy goes into end-user software |
| 04:06.54 | piper69 | ~seen Ankman |
| 04:06.56 | apt | ankman is currently on #debian (11h 51m 19s). Has said a total of 71 messages. Is idling for 2h 59m 58s, last said: 'bell here, speedstream'. |
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| 04:07.31 | Azar | mais non, mais non... excellent, as an auditor myself I spend more time creating "check" tools that will speed up and insure accuracy way better than my fingers on a poor calculator |
| 04:07.51 | Azar | piper69: you have been missed by that guy this morning |
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| 04:08.44 | Azar | so having good tools to rely on == better work |
| 04:09.03 | piper69 | Azar: like what |
| 04:09.24 | peterS | yes but taken to its logical conclusion, if all you ever produce is tools to help you produce stuff, nobody except other developers will find the product useful |
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| 04:11.59 | Azar | peterS: imagine doing it the right and old fashioned way.... it will take way more time, as opposed having tools to test, check and implement... |
| 04:12.34 | peterS | I love having good development tools. but I also recognise that free software is far more focused on tools for our own use than on software anyone else would possibly be interested in |
| 04:13.15 | peterS | it's an imbalance compared to the proprietary software world, where most shops just buy the tools they need and only write what will sell to ordinary people |
| 04:13.19 | Azar | indeed making tools takes time but only once: as an analogy, at my work i am the fastest and the most accurate , I am doing two jobs in one while anyone who tries can do only less than half of what I do |
| 04:13.40 | carson | thanks peterS. |
| 04:13.50 | \amethyst | peterS: Which is itself arguably an imbalance in the other direction |
| 04:14.14 | Azar | peterS: yes but you have to admit most proprietary software is half if not less half as good as the work done by free software developers |
| 04:14.45 | \amethyst | Azar: most proprietary software is crap, but most free software is crap too |
| 04:14.47 | peterS | Azar: I have to admit nothing of the kind. staying with development tools, I happen to think Microsoft Visual Studio is way ahead of what I've seen in free software land |
| 04:14.54 | Azar | say developers who are paid to do the job in a limited amount of time will not deliver the best of the work but will deliver it on time. |
| 04:15.21 | cast | using VC++ i remember weird confusing errors occurring :\ |
| 04:15.23 | peterS | not that I _like_ using it, particularly, since its editor isn't very Emacs-like, which is pretty much a requirement for me, but I do love some of its features |
| 04:15.41 | Azar | I never appreciate the VS .... |
| 04:16.22 | peterS | it scores big on context-sensitive help. tooltips showing what permutations of a polymorphic C# function are available, given the argument types you've typed so far, is a major timesaver |
| 04:16.30 | Azar | I started learning C on some window app and then is when I decided I really want to use gcc instead |
| 04:16.43 | \amethyst | peterS: Have you compared Eclipse? |
| 04:16.46 | Azar | as a green as I am |
| 04:16.50 | cast | Azar: gcc -Wall :) |
| 04:16.54 | Azar | :) |
| 04:17.03 | peterS | I have not, it's in java so it seems unappetizing |
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| 04:18.08 | blenna_unix | im plan to install debian on my laptop. should i go w/ the net installer or the full iso? |
| 04:18.32 | Azar | lclint? |
| 04:18.36 | cast | net if your nic will work imho |
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| 04:20.47 | blenna_unix | anybody got a mirror to the net installer then (etch)? |
| 04:21.05 | cast | check debian.org |
| 04:22.11 | \amethyst | ...stupid pwsafe not supporting X any more |
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| 04:23.07 | blenna_unix | cast: did. but i can't find a mirror for testing release. most are stable |
| 04:23.21 | hark | !d-i blenna_unix |
| 04:23.22 | dpkg | blenna_unix, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:23.53 | hark | the second link ^ |
| 04:24.46 | blenna_unix | hark: tried those. too slow. no other mirrors? |
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| 04:26.14 | factor | do I have to have any special support item loaded to get kernel 2.6.20 going from 2.6.14? |
| 04:26.29 | factor | I cant get it to boot past to the point where x usualy loads |
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| 04:29.14 | factor | do I need udev or something? |
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| 04:29.42 | Azar | maybe if you woldn't boot in X you could see the errors at boot time |
| 04:30.01 | SkippyX | trying to install debian on an old dell cpi d300xt (300 MHz, 96 megs) laptop. tried etch from CD. tried sarge from floppy. both installs hung up at hardware detection. there's a guide for installing slink on exactly the machine I've got. can I install slink and then update the machine to current release? |
| 04:30.11 | SkippyX | I'm looking at using it as a wireless web appliance. |
| 04:30.28 | SkippyX | all I'll need is firefox, gaim, xchat, an ftp client and a bittorrent client. |
| 04:30.45 | Azar | tried woody? |
| 04:30.54 | SkippyX | Azar, Nope - haven't tried woody yet. |
| 04:31.03 | factor | Azar:I can boot into run level 1 no problem |
| 04:31.05 | Azar | maybe woody works |
| 04:31.07 | \amethyst | SkippyX: firefox? |
| 04:31.16 | \amethyst | SkippyX: In 96MB of RAM? sounds painful |
| 04:31.20 | factor | just when I try to boot normaly |
| 04:31.50 | SkippyX | \amethyst, it'll be upgraded to 128 as soon as my buddy at the computer repair shop gets another 64 meg card that'll work..... |
| 04:31.59 | \amethyst | SkippyX: that still sounds painful :) |
| 04:32.00 | Azar | factor: try to get only base install first then upgrade to sarge then get all other one by one |
| 04:32.18 | SkippyX | and - let's face it - far less painful than w2k and all the security/utility software. |
| 04:32.19 | cast | bilsta: grab the testing netinst, then |
| 04:33.04 | factor | I am running an old install of debian just upgrading the kernel |
| 04:33.09 | factor | Azar:^ |
| 04:33.11 | \amethyst | woohoo, pwsafe -x works again |
| 04:33.13 | Azar | to me woody seems forgiving at old hardware |
| 04:33.50 | SkippyX | anyways - I'm pretty sure it's a driver issue, and if one guy got it running (painlessly he said) w/ slink - I'd rather do slink to get the install done and then update the os on the lappy. |
| 04:34.04 | SkippyX | I can try woody. Nothing ventured and all that. |
| 04:34.42 | Azar | ah factor sorry that I meant for SkippyX |
| 04:34.52 | \amethyst | SkippyX: if you do slink, you might have to go through woody in your upgrades |
| 04:35.06 | factor | heh |
| 04:35.16 | \amethyst | I think you're supposed to be able to skip one but not two versions when upgrading debian releases. |
| 04:35.16 | SkippyX | Ok - we'll give woody a throw - see what happens. If not, then I'll try slink. |
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| 04:35.32 | factor | just wondering what support files I need to get the 2.6.15 and greater kernels going |
| 04:35.33 | SkippyX | My buddy is sitting over here laughing at my travails (he's a windows guy). |
| 04:35.48 | \amethyst | factor: I'd recommend using the Debian kernel .config |
| 04:35.55 | factor | I do |
| 04:36.06 | factor | well my modified version of it |
| 04:36.14 | factor | I have to have all my older stuff |
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| 04:36.43 | Azar | SkippyX: at least you will acquire knowledge he is not willing to... |
| 04:37.06 | factor | slave to the gates |
| 04:37.44 | \amethyst | factor: also check Documentation/Changes to make sure your old debian has appropriate versions |
| 04:37.49 | Azar | well their choices, whoever picks linux is because they want it and like it |
| 04:38.08 | SkippyX | Azar, yep. And when it's done & installed I won't have many security considerations. I'm thinking debian & a lite WM - something like JWM or enlightenment.... |
| 04:38.09 | \amethyst | factor: If you're using an old debian with a newer kernel, udev and module-init-tools you might have to look out for |
| 04:38.32 | \amethyst | enlightenment is a light wm? |
| 04:38.36 | \amethyst | Wow, I'm getting old |
| 04:38.39 | SkippyX | Yes. He did say "why not just use w2k?" I've been using linux on my desktop for years - and I'm used to it. |
| 04:38.46 | SkippyX | well...maybe not enlightenment. |
| 04:38.55 | SkippyX | it's lighter than KDE |
| 04:38.56 | Azar | SkippyX: there is nothing to be lost with trying another OS. You gain knowledge, and experience who one day might help you a lot |
| 04:39.08 | \amethyst | I was using fvwm back when enlightenment came out :) |
| 04:39.10 | factor | k |
| 04:39.43 | Azar | SkippyX: pssss he is envious because you can and he can't |
| 04:39.50 | Azar | :) |
| 04:39.59 | SkippyX | I know. I've noticed, though, that every time I try messing w/ windows, it always comes to an unhappy end. |
| 04:40.07 | cast | how long before w2k is unsupported? or is it already? thats a good reason not to use it. |
| 04:40.26 | factor | ahh yes udev is a req |
| 04:40.32 | SkippyX | And - when I use linux (ubuntu 6.10 on my desktop), things run pretty smoothly. But there's the learning curve...... |
| 04:40.32 | factor | getting and and see if it works |
| 04:40.41 | Azar | cast: it is already. and they charge $ 4000 to fix the DST on those unsupported ones |
| 04:41.07 | cast | well then the issue of using w2k is a no brainer. don't. |
| 04:41.17 | \amethyst | I should start a business where I charge $4000 to replace /etc/localtime on old versions of Linux |
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| 04:41.21 | factor | yup that looks like my answer |
| 04:41.28 | Azar | hahaha \amethyst |
| 04:41.31 | factor | when I installed it it says udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.15, |
| 04:41.35 | factor | brb |
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| 04:41.51 | factor | i could not get above 2.6.14.4 |
| 04:42.29 | Azar | \amethyst: propose a new program like: "the dev of the month" so we can send prizes. |
| 04:42.48 | \amethyst | Azar: My GF is finally getting a new computer at her job because of the DST thing. |
| 04:42.55 | \amethyst | Azar: you see, she had an NT 4.0 workstation |
| 04:43.10 | \amethyst | Azar: And it's cheaper now to get a new computer than to get the DST patch :) |
| 04:43.12 | Azar | wow, my boss came up with a cheaper idea: just don't change the time |
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| 04:43.22 | Azar | I am serious |
| 04:43.29 | Azar | we haven't change the time |
| 04:43.30 | \amethyst | Azar: I've had those bosses :) |
| 04:43.49 | Azar | you know, I am cheering because I am on vacation |
| 04:44.00 | Azar | otherwise Id be there 12h/day |
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| 04:44.51 | SkippyX | Hmm. Having a hard time finding install disks for anything older than sarge |
| 04:44.52 | Azar | you know, the issue won't be so bad if all servers would have same time |
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| 04:45.20 | Azar | SkippyX: net installs or want to get a real CD? |
| 04:45.33 | \amethyst | Azar: unfortunately, special relativity tells us that is not possible |
| 04:45.37 | SkippyX | I'd rather do a net install. |
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| 04:45.50 | Azar | SkippyX: I guess woody is in archives at debian |
| 04:46.02 | Azar | \amethyst: can he access and download from archives? |
| 04:46.03 | \amethyst | general relativity tells us that even the altitude matters :) |
| 04:47.05 | Azar | \amethyst: hmm I thing it could have been better than a new computer: disable auto and work on manual time |
| 04:47.14 | Azar | speaking of time |
| 04:47.51 | Azar | my Debian Sarge changed the time ok, but strange is that my atomic clock time is off by few minutes than the utc time set by debian |
| 04:48.08 | Azar | the internet is not in sync with the radio waves |
| 04:48.29 | \amethyst | Azar: is your debian box ntp synced? |
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| 04:49.25 | \amethyst | Azar: what time does your radio clock say right now? |
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| 04:50.05 | Azar | hmm let me look, is in the other room |
| 04:50.16 | grendal_prime | ok what the hell..i updated like 10 machines today...and yesterday. the one machine where i think it even matters, the dst'locals aparetnely did not work? |
| 04:50.35 | bobloblian | I just copied my apt sources list from one computer to a newly installed one, ran apt-get upgrade on both, then apt-cache search gcc-4.0; the old computer lists it, and the newly installed computer does not. |
| 04:50.38 | grendal_prime | has anyone had this happen? sarge server. thing has never done anything wonky on me. |
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| 04:51.09 | grendal_prime | is there a way to force the new dst onto the box |
| 04:51.14 | Azar | \amethyst: 21:50 on the radio , 21:54 on my system |
| 04:51.21 | \amethyst | Azar: your system is wrong |
| 04:51.42 | Azar | \amethyst: I might have goofed with "time" back in the days.. |
| 04:51.58 | \amethyst | Azar: stop ntp, run ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org, then restart ntp |
| 04:52.11 | Azar | when I did not know I can use ntp... hmmm I might have removed ntp then reinstalled later |
| 04:52.23 | Azar | ok |
| 04:52.28 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: did not work? |
| 04:52.31 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: does it have proposed-updates in the sources.list? |
| 04:52.48 | grendal_prime | proposed-updates? |
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| 04:54.06 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/errata |
| 04:54.20 | grendal_prime | all the others updated and it worked |
| 04:54.27 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: they're also sarge? |
| 04:54.56 | grendal_prime | ya |
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| 04:55.16 | grendal_prime | i cant imagin i didnt have the security in there but ...who knows |
| 04:55.16 | Azar | \amethyst: how do I restart? |
| 04:55.21 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: hm... did you notice anything funny when you were doing the updates |
| 04:55.25 | grendal_prime | ill scheck |
| 04:55.29 | \amethyst | Azar: /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 04:55.33 | grendal_prime | no the updates whent fine |
| 04:55.43 | grendal_prime | hold on let me check the security source |
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| 04:56.18 | Azar | hmm no such file or directory |
| 04:56.22 | Azar | maybe ntpdate |
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| 04:56.37 | \amethyst | Azar: that's fine, it just won't stay in sync |
| 04:57.39 | \amethyst | Azar: ntpdate syncs the clock right now, whereas ntp is a daemon to keep it in sync |
| 04:57.50 | Azar | \amethyst: ntpdate start did it, now is in sync |
| 04:57.59 | grendal_prime | ya security source.list contains deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 04:58.13 | \amethyst | Azar: That won't keep it in sync... you install the ntp package too |
| 04:58.22 | Azar | \amethyst: bash: /etc/init.d/ntp: No such file or directory |
| 04:58.27 | Azar | ahhh ok |
| 04:58.46 | \amethyst | Azar: ntpdate is usually run once on boot, to get the clocks close enough that ntp can do its thing. ntp will refuse to run if the clock is too far off |
| 04:58.49 | grendal_prime | this sucks |
| 04:59.54 | Azar | I remember I removed ntp out of security fears |
| 04:59.56 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: DST thing isn't in security I think |
| 05:00.15 | Guerin | it shouldn't necessarily be - it should be in volatile |
| 05:00.58 | Azar | damn now the ntp switched my time |
| 05:01.10 | \amethyst | Azar: switched? |
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| 05:03.19 | Azar | oh no is ok |
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| 05:03.31 | Azar | but now I installed ntp but it is still not recognized |
| 05:03.37 | Azar | ntpdate works ntp not |
| 05:03.44 | Azar | started, stopped started again.. |
| 05:03.46 | Azar | hmm |
| 05:03.48 | \amethyst | Azar: /etc/init.d/ntp start ? |
| 05:04.08 | Azar | egeon:/home/macondo# /etc/init.d/ntp start |
| 05:04.10 | Azar | bash: /etc/init.d/ntp: No such file or directory |
| 05:04.23 | Azar | I just installed it |
| 05:04.37 | \amethyst | does dpkg -L ntp list anything in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 05:05.24 | \amethyst | Azar: It might be ntp-server ? |
| 05:06.43 | chops | Hey all. I'm loading a UTF-8 encoded file into emacs, my charset is set appropriately, and I have mule-ucs installed. Nonetheless I get "\203\231\203" and so on instead of the Japanese characters I'd expect. |
| 05:07.27 | chops | The file in question is an HTML web page with a great deal of ASCII/English content as well... does emacs try to guess what charset to use for its buffers? If so is there a way to override that guessing? |
| 05:08.43 | chops | Also, isn't this a bug? Shouldn't emacs honor the encoding specified in $LANG if it leads to an at-all-reasonable decoding of the file it's displaying? |
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| 05:09.12 | \amethyst | chops: Well |
| 05:09.14 | abchirk | morning |
| 05:09.36 | \amethyst | chops: Users sometimes edit files that aren't in their preferred character set |
| 05:09.49 | \amethyst | chops: Maybe (set-default-buffer-file-coding-system 'utf-8) |
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| 05:10.02 | \amethyst | chops: But, frankly, mule scares the hell out of me |
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| 05:10.38 | chops | \amethyst: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-function set-default-buffer-file-coding-system) |
| 05:10.40 | chops | :-( |
| 05:10.49 | \amethyst | chops: hm, maybe that was xemacs-only :( |
| 05:11.49 | Azar | \amethyst: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste << hehe I think I am ok |
| 05:12.45 | \amethyst | Azar: I don't think that was the URL you meant to paste me |
| 05:14.46 | chops | \amethyst: Ugh. Yeah, I guess mule's behavior predates widespread Unicode adoption, and so guessing at charsets was the only reasonable answer. For me it seems like madness though -- if you ask to see a file that isn't in the charset specified in your environment, you should see gibberish. |
| 05:14.49 | Azar | \amethyst: I havent had the ntp and still my system changed the time as scheduled, the only thing I had was the 4 min difference |
| 05:15.15 | grendal_prime | im going to bed |
| 05:15.18 | grendal_prime | this is bullshit |
| 05:15.41 | chops | Certainly it seems, like I said, that if the encoding specified leads to a reasonable decoding of your document (e.g. ASCII data being read in a UTF-8 locale), it should use that (e.g. UTF-8 instead of ASCII). |
| 05:15.48 | chops | \amethyst: But I know that's not your fault :-) |
| 05:16.08 | SkippyX | wow. Got sarge going on an expert install. |
| 05:16.48 | \amethyst | chops: I can see why they made it so configurable. I don't envy the character set compatability problems East Asia |
| 05:17.25 | \amethyst | chops: but, yeah, there should be a way to say "UTF-8 unless it's provably something else" |
| 05:17.36 | Azar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5691 < sorry |
| 05:17.55 | chops | \amethyst: Well, that's the thing -- for my situation it doesn't seem to be configurable. I haven't found a way to say "stuff what you think, all documents are UTF8." |
| 05:18.07 | chops | \amethyst: But I am far from the target audience |
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| 05:18.27 | Azar | SkippyX: I like better expert, with standard I chocke at partitions |
| 05:18.36 | \amethyst | Azar: It already started it when you installed the package :) |
| 05:18.50 | \amethyst | Azar: I'm guessing it's /etc/init.d/ntp-server, though |
| 05:19.00 | Azar | hahaha ok thanks |
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| 05:19.15 | SkippyX | Azar, I'm at the partition portion of the installer now, and trying to figure it out - ringtfm. It's been years since I manually partitioned a hdd. |
| 05:19.26 | Azar | mister baggend has an issue with his connections |
| 05:19.42 | \amethyst | chops: I managed to convince my XEmacs to do that eventually |
| 05:19.49 | chops | Hey, this is fantastic too -- when I rename my files to have a .html.utf8 extension, _one_ of them (but not the other) opens with the "-u:--" line that indicates it's in UTF-8. They still both display incorrectly. Progress! |
| 05:19.58 | baggend | Azar: Yeah, accidentally had 3 auto-connects all going to freenode... whoops... :) |
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| 05:20.05 | SkippyX | setting up as a dual-boot - w2k on one partition (a fat32 partition) @ 6 gigs - another 24 gigs devoted to debian. |
| 05:20.14 | Azar | SkippyX: my opinion is that the partition is not quite ok on the installers |
| 05:20.56 | SkippyX | so you manually partition? On systems whre there's a pre-existing os you use something like partition magic? |
| 05:21.10 | SkippyX | fdisc? |
| 05:21.30 | bobloblian | can anyone suggest a reason that one apt sources list might give a different package list when run from a different computer? |
| 05:21.30 | Azar | SkippyX: I never used dual boot. Debian only and the only installer that has a partition for my likes is woody |
| 05:21.42 | \amethyst | SkippyX: So Windows is already installed on the disk? |
| 05:21.59 | Azar | bobloblian: different versions of Debian? |
| 05:21.59 | SkippyX | \amethyst, Yes. w2k on a 30 gig fat32 partition. |
| 05:23.17 | \amethyst | You'll have to use something like fatresize or partition magic to shrink that down to a 6GB partition first |
| 05:23.25 | bobloblian | Azar:when you update it gets its list from the repository, regardless of the version of debian, does it not? |
| 05:23.30 | \amethyst | if you just go deleting and adding partitions, you'll lose Windows |
| 05:23.50 | baggend | bobloblian: Every version (stable, testing, unstable) has it's own Packages file. |
| 05:24.04 | baggend | bobloblian: So if you have two machines, and one's testing and one's unstable, you'll have different lists. |
| 05:24.12 | Azar | bobloblian: apt gets packages from a repository indicated in the sources: stable, testing or unstable : 3 different repositories each with its own set of packages |
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| 05:24.49 | bobloblian | correct, if I scp the sources list from one computer to the other, I should get the same package list.... |
| 05:24.55 | bobloblian | yet, I do not |
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| 05:25.28 | Azar | bobloblian: also, one system might have installed packages that the other does not have: ie: my PC does not have any desktop manager (gnome, kde) therefore I will not get updates on those packages |
| 05:25.59 | bobloblian | what I am trying to install is gcc-4.0 |
| 05:26.04 | navaladi | Hi friends, I am using Debian 3.1. Is there any programe to capture & save the sound passing through my SoundCard.? |
| 05:26.12 | Azar | so for packages you do not have installed there will not be updates for you on those but others might get them |
| 05:26.19 | navaladi | I want to stream live audios. pls help |
| 05:26.29 | bobloblian | one computer has it, and apt-cache search shows it, the same sourceslist scp'd to the other computer does not list it |
| 05:26.54 | Azar | bobloblian: if I am not mistaken it depends on the kernel version too, some kernels use one gcc version, other kernels another one |
| 05:27.10 | \amethyst | bobloblian: Is it possibly an obsolete package on the old machine? |
| 05:27.21 | baggend | bobloblian: Just to double check the obvious, did you remember to do an 'apt-get update' after doing the scp of sources.list? |
| 05:27.29 | \amethyst | bobloblian: i.e. one that is no longer available from the sources? |
| 05:27.56 | bobloblian | well, the old machine is the one I can get it on... its a new install of etch that I can't get gcc-4.0 |
| 05:28.03 | bobloblian | did run apt-get update |
| 05:28.16 | Azar | a Debian woody with a 2.6.18 kernel will not have a gcc-4 on its sources.. |
| 05:28.28 | bobloblian | as per the docs on gcc, debian does allow for multiple versions of gcc to run... |
| 05:28.36 | Azar | errr with a 2.4.18 kernel I ment |
| 05:28.46 | baggend | bobloblian: The problem is that you're seeing the entry on the old machine because the package is installed. Even if a package isn't in the repository, it'll still show up locally if you have it installed. |
| 05:29.53 | baggend | If you remove the package on the old machine, and then go to re-install it, it'll tell you no such package. |
| 05:30.05 | bobloblian | hmm... That seems reasonable... will try it |
| 05:32.02 | bobloblian | good call baggend, that is the case |
| 05:32.14 | bobloblian | thanks :) |
| 05:32.26 | \amethyst | bobloblian: you'll have to search archives to find a deb for gcc-4.0 |
| 05:32.31 | \amethyst | bobloblian: shouldn't be too hard |
| 05:32.47 | \amethyst | bobloblian: getting the dependencies working in etch might or might not be hard |
| 05:33.05 | bobloblian | I had already copied the deb from the archives on the old machine, but gave me a pile of dependency errors |
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| 05:33.31 | baggend | bobloblian: Sorry I missed the earlier messages. Why do you need exactly 4.0? |
| 05:34.23 | bobloblian | trying to get a sangoma modem to work in asterisk, the debbuild option they provide got me nowhere, so trying to compile everything from source |
| 05:34.31 | Azar | \amethyst: does'nt gcc-x depend on the kernel version, does not install with a kernel? |
| 05:35.07 | \amethyst | Azar: No, gcc does not depend on the kernel |
| 05:35.08 | bobloblian | when I compiled everything, I got a version mismatch problem with the kernel modules |
| 05:35.43 | \amethyst | bobloblian: So recompile both the module and your kernel with a more recent compiler |
| 05:36.10 | \amethyst | Azar: I mean, not on a particular kernel |
| 05:36.12 | Azar | well I remember back in the days how many headaches I got by tring to stuff a gcc then got modules going crazy |
| 05:37.11 | \amethyst | Azar: Now, what gcc you use to compile the kernel, that does matter |
| 05:37.11 | bobloblian | already got source for new kernel build coming in |
| 05:37.15 | Azar | \amethyst: since the heyday I only use the gcc that comes with the Debian version, and it is upgraded as I go up |
| 05:37.41 | _lyte_ | Hi pals :) |
| 05:37.43 | Azar | I get pre-compiled kernels from repos.. no more compiling on my own |
| 05:38.00 | Azar | I failed miserably |
| 05:38.31 | \amethyst | I gave up on compiling my own kernels four or five years ago |
| 05:38.37 | \amethyst | it was taking too much of my time :) |
| 05:38.55 | Azar | well not only time but I never made it out decently |
| 05:39.23 | Azar | I had woody reinstalled 57 times |
| 05:39.30 | Azar | just trying to learn stuff.. |
| 05:39.30 | \amethyst | Before I was using debian, I upgraded my system by hand from libc5 to libc6 |
| 05:39.40 | bobloblian | with make-kpkg its pretty easy, and makes me feel smrt |
| 05:42.05 | jetscreamer | yeah make-kpkg --targets what more do you need |
| 05:42.35 | baggend | jetscreamer: Well, a cold beer would be nice... :) |
| 05:42.37 | jetscreamer | i don't do my own kernels anymore either though... |
| 05:42.53 | jetscreamer | !beer baggend |
| 05:42.58 | jetscreamer | virtual beer sucks though |
| 05:43.08 | baggend | Good point... |
| 05:44.05 | baggend | Mmm... much better! :) |
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| 05:46.19 | brendonjt | hi all i am in need of some help with a audio problem |
| 05:46.52 | cast | really. |
| 05:46.59 | cast | have you tried just talking to her? |
| 05:47.15 | brendonjt | huh |
| 05:47.18 | bobloblian | navaladi: not sure if it will work for what you need, but look at audacity |
| 05:48.43 | navaladi | bobloblian - Thanks, only audacity?..R u sure it can do..But i wanna to capture the sound played from Internet. But darkice and arecord recording through Mic. |
| 05:49.00 | brendonjt | i have a asrock via km266pro motherboard with onboard sound which is not working under debian etch |
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| 05:49.56 | bobloblian | no, not sure, just the most versatile sound program I know of |
| 05:50.49 | navaladi | bobloblian - ok , Thanks |
| 05:51.19 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: tis more important what chip/brand/model is the onboard sound |
| 05:51.48 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 05:51.49 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 05:51.53 | brendonjt | it is a ac'97 |
| 05:52.04 | jetscreamer | ooo don't get all specific on us :) |
| 05:52.15 | jetscreamer | make/model/chip |
| 05:52.26 | jetscreamer | lspci should tell you |
| 05:52.37 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i audio iirc |
| 05:52.38 | brendonjt | ok it is a new mother board ok on the box it says asrock m7vm3 |
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| 05:53.46 | brendonjt | jetscreamer: VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 05:54.25 | brendonjt | jetscreamer: via technologies |
| 05:54.25 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: sarge, etch, what.... |
| 05:54.30 | jetscreamer | ya |
| 05:54.31 | brendonjt | etch |
| 05:54.52 | jetscreamer | are you in the audio group? |
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| 05:55.13 | jetscreamer | if you created the user in the installer, you are |
| 05:55.17 | brendonjt | yip as i was the first user created |
| 05:56.16 | jetscreamer | lsmod |grep snd_ |
| 05:56.26 | jetscreamer | paste in pastebin |
| 05:56.33 | jetscreamer | !tell brendonjt -about paste |
| 05:59.00 | jetscreamer | see if http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=450773 helps |
| 05:59.52 | brendonjt | jetscreamer: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5693. |
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| 06:01.15 | SkippyX | Doing the debian install on the old lappy - and I'm presented w/ "which kernel do you want?" 2.6.x or 2.4.x. I'm not sure. |
| 06:01.48 | SkippyX | I only plan on using it for a web browser, ftp, chat, and bittorrent client. |
| 06:01.48 | jetscreamer | 2.6 imo |
| 06:02.14 | cast | 2.6 |
| 06:02.19 | SkippyX | jetscreamer, 2.6 good on old hardware? (dell lappy, 300 MHz pII, 96 megs ram - soon to be 128) |
| 06:02.22 | \amethyst | elvin|coder: try ctrl-n in insert mode |
| 06:02.24 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 06:02.39 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: i'm not sure never use via, but one common thing is apt-get install alsa-base ... the default mixer settings are muted .. check those also |
| 06:02.49 | jetscreamer | SkippyX: sure |
| 06:03.27 | SkippyX | OK - we'll have a go w/ the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 06:03.30 | brendonjt | jetscreamer: how do i get the speaker icon up again |
| 06:03.53 | |ryan| | is there a kernel argument that I can pass to disable DMA on a drive? |
| 06:04.09 | nima | Is there any way to replace totem-mozilla with mozilla-mplayer, without removing gnome? |
| 06:04.27 | jetscreamer | apt-get install hdparm && man hdparm |
| 06:04.46 | |ryan| | jetscreamer: No, I said a kernel argument. |
| 06:04.50 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: with the mixer you use/installed |
| 06:05.18 | jetscreamer | |ryan|: yes... i think if you google 'knoppix cheat codes' you might find what you are looking for |
| 06:05.31 | |ryan| | jetscreamer: I have a CompactFlash card that is holding up boot because the kernel tries to set up DMA on it which doesn't work. |
| 06:05.43 | jetscreamer | might even be dma=off but i don't know for sure |
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| 06:05.52 | brendonjt | when i did the soundcard reconfigure it didn't load back up |
| 06:06.11 | |ryan| | jetscreamer: I don't want to globaly disable DMA. |
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| 06:06.47 | jetscreamer | ah yeah you said that |
| 06:07.01 | nima | Gnome depends on totem-mozilla, so I can't remove totem-mozilla without removing gnome |
| 06:07.51 | jetscreamer | nima: gnome is a metapackage |
| 06:07.57 | jetscreamer | you can remove it |
| 06:08.02 | nima | Oh, cool |
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| 06:08.09 | jetscreamer | |ryan|: hdparm can, all i know |
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| 06:08.23 | jetscreamer | and it's persistent across reboots |
| 06:08.41 | jetscreamer | !metapackage |
| 06:08.42 | dpkg | well, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
| 06:08.54 | spikeb | heh |
| 06:09.07 | brendonjt | nope that didn't work either |
| 06:09.19 | spikeb | if i could read, the topic would make much more sense |
| 06:09.25 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: i've shot my sound wad.. all i know :/ |
| 06:09.57 | brendonjt | jetscreamer: thank you so much for your time just hope someone else here can help |
| 06:09.59 | jetscreamer | brendonjt: i use kmix myself... you 'could' try apt-get install kmix ... but no guarantees |
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| 06:10.20 | jetscreamer | you have alsa-base eh |
| 06:10.34 | hark | ran alsaconf? |
| 06:10.39 | brendonjt | yip that is installed by default |
| 06:11.26 | nima | jetscreamer, It was removing random stuff, then I bashed ctrl-c |
| 06:11.33 | sys0110 | that windows installer is really cool http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe/Prototype |
| 06:11.37 | sys0110 | thats cool |
| 06:11.38 | sys0110 | lol |
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| 06:11.48 | nima | jetscreamer, do I need to manually install everything gnome depends on that I want to keep? |
| 06:11.59 | |ryan| | jetscreamer: hdparm is run during the boot process |
| 06:12.09 | |ryan| | I need to have DMA disabled for this at driver load time |
| 06:12.10 | jetscreamer | nima: no, not if it's already installed |
| 06:12.25 | jetscreamer | |ryan|: yeah good point... how about in bios? |
| 06:13.18 | cahoot | |ryan|: tried configure it in /etc/default/hdparm? |
| 06:13.19 | jetscreamer | nima: bashed control-c ... hmm do apt-get -f install |
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| 06:13.35 | spikeb | heh that IS cool |
| 06:13.38 | spikeb | im gonna use it on my mom' |
| 06:13.41 | spikeb | er damn it |
| 06:13.45 | spikeb | my mom's machine :P |
| 06:14.24 | jetscreamer | |ryan|: i've seen tools from the maker of the hd that disable dma and stuff on the hd |
| 06:14.35 | jetscreamer | usually dos based though |
| 06:14.42 | jetscreamer | wd |
| 06:14.51 | jetscreamer | or was it seagate |
| 06:15.08 | \amethyst | |ryan|: ideX=nodma |
| 06:15.32 | |ryan| | I just tried ide=nodma, which doesn't work |
| 06:15.37 | \amethyst | hm |
| 06:15.38 | |ryan| | this is on wtch |
| 06:15.41 | |ryan| | etch |
| 06:15.46 | |ryan| | stock kernel |
| 06:16.13 | \amethyst | Hmm... what device is the CF card on? |
| 06:16.18 | |ryan| | hda |
| 06:16.27 | |ryan| | booting from hdb |
| 06:16.52 | |ryan| | and I disabled DMA in the BOIS for it |
| 06:17.14 | jetscreamer | linux doesn't care about bios though.. i forgot |
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| 06:17.42 | \amethyst | |ryan|: maybe hda=noprobe ? |
| 06:17.57 | \amethyst | |ryan|: odd that nodma doesn't work |
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| 06:20.14 | Azar | hmm hehe I just remembered... \amethyst you know who was missing from debates? |
| 06:20.20 | nima | jetscreamer, that fixed whatever it was in the middle of as I bashed ctrl-c, but I still can't remove totem-mozilla without removing gnome |
| 06:20.29 | nima | jetscreamer, I'm on etch |
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| 06:20.31 | Azar | Simon from american idol |
| 06:21.29 | spikeb | gnome is a metapackage, it shouldnt matter if it gets removed. |
| 06:21.35 | Lagos | Salutations. I'm a Mac developer who does most of his work in XCode. I'm looking for a good IDE for C coding but there are so many on the Debian packages list. Any recommendations? |
| 06:22.28 | mirco | How about kdevelop, you cold also have a look at: |
| 06:22.29 | \amethyst | Lagos: what kind of features do you need? |
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| 06:22.37 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 06:22.45 | mirco | http://ranger.users.finkproject.org/kde/ |
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| 06:23.13 | Azar | as a greenest newbie around, what an IDE is? |
| 06:23.26 | SlayerXP | Integrated Development Environment |
| 06:23.35 | Azar | thanks :) |
| 06:23.58 | \amethyst | ``Yes, Perl has an IDE: it's called Unix.'' --tchrist |
| 06:24.01 | mirco | is going to work now... |
| 06:24.09 | Lagos | I wanted to avoid installing a lot of KDE stuff, but that's just me being silly. Features? Integrated building is not required. I'm fine with running make from the command line, but it would be nice. Syntax highlighting would be a minimum. |
| 06:24.15 | |ryan| | arg. |
| 06:24.25 | \amethyst | Lagos: vim |
| 06:24.32 | |ryan| | \amethyst: I suspect simeting in the initramfs is turning on DMA |
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| 06:24.56 | \amethyst | |ryan|: that would be annoying |
| 06:24.56 | Lagos | Haha. No thanks. |
| 06:25.00 | Azar | Lagos: you avoid endulging on the most admired desktop manger of linux? wow |
| 06:25.19 | Lagos | I do. I prefer XFCE and the command line. |
| 06:25.29 | Azar | Lagos: vim at your service then |
| 06:25.32 | \amethyst | Lagos: What's wrong with vim, and we'll go from there |
| 06:25.35 | Lagos | Touche. |
| 06:25.41 | Lagos | I prefer emacs. |
| 06:25.46 | Azar | vim is the best I ever seen |
| 06:25.46 | spikeb | then use emacs :P |
| 06:25.47 | \amethyst | Emacs, then :) |
| 06:25.47 | Callahad | Azar: Desktop environments, while conducive to desktop use, aren't always the best thing for coding :) |
| 06:25.48 | cast | i hate kde :) |
| 06:26.06 | |ryan| | anyone know how I can modify the initramfs scripts? |
| 06:26.10 | Azar | Callahad: agree with you: that why I never installed one |
| 06:26.11 | nima | Yay, a real text-editor war! |
| 06:26.13 | \amethyst | Both emacs and vim, in a Unix environment, *are* IDEs |
| 06:26.15 | Callahad | Lagos: I'd suggest you look at Vim and Emacs. Both are proven, robust editors. |
| 06:26.22 | Azar | ok emacs then, me loves vim |
| 06:26.36 | Lagos | I know emacs. I guess I could go to Emacs frames, since that's mostly why I wanted an IDE. Hmmn. |
| 06:26.50 | Lagos | Okay. Here's a better question then. |
| 06:27.12 | Azar | he who does not like vim never played nethack |
| 06:27.44 | Callahad | he who does not like nethack never played vim :) (I'm fairly convinced nethack is what finally got me to accept hjkl for movement in text) |
| 06:27.51 | Lagos | Let's say I decide I do later on down the road decide I want the entire catastophe: Building from inside the IDE, setting checkpoints, running GDB, etc. KDevelop would be a good tool to look into? |
| 06:27.59 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:28.30 | Lagos | I've ascended around 8 times in NetHack. I still can't remember which mode I'm in when I'm in vim. |
| 06:28.32 | Lagos | vim is harder. |
| 06:28.37 | spikeb | haha |
| 06:28.47 | spikeb | but far more fun. |
| 06:28.49 | Azar | Lagos: touche |
| 06:28.59 | Callahad | That's a beautiful quote. |
| 06:29.06 | \amethyst | Lagos: I would say emacs is a good tool to look into for that |
| 06:29.07 | spikeb | i think emacs can do all that Lagos |
| 06:29.23 | Lagos | Yeah, you're right you're right. But I never thought it did it well. =:) |
| 06:29.43 | \amethyst | Lagos: it's been doing it a lot longer than those other folks. |
| 06:30.19 | Lagos | Well, here's hoping I don't waste too much time on M-x tetris then. |
| 06:30.29 | Callahad | Lagos: While I don't have any real experience outside of Vim, I can suggest that the major IDEs seem to be Eclipse, KDevelop, and Anjuta, from what I've seen. You may want to give each of those a shot, especially Anjuta, as it uses GTK and will fit into XFCE quite nicely. |
| 06:30.43 | Lagos | Eclipse is Java specific, I thought? |
| 06:30.53 | \amethyst | There's an Eclipse plugin for C/C++ |
| 06:30.57 | Callahad | I'm fairly certain Eclipse has outgrown its Java roots. |
| 06:31.03 | spikeb | it has. |
| 06:31.06 | Lagos | Trickeries. |
| 06:31.09 | \amethyst | package eclipse-cdt |
| 06:31.18 | \amethyst | You'll still need Java to run it |
| 06:31.49 | \amethyst | When I say "run", I mean "like a pig" |
| 06:32.12 | nima | jetscreamer, Would I have to manually install all the packages that gnome depends on that I want to keep if I have aptitude set to automatically remove packages that were installed to satisfy a dependency? |
| 06:32.13 | Lagos | Am I going to be told to squeal? |
| 06:32.14 | \amethyst | But I guess it's not that bad if you've got the memory |
| 06:32.35 | Lagos | I have two gigs core. |
| 06:32.42 | \amethyst | You can run eclipse then :) |
| 06:34.12 | enouf | |ryan|: cat /proc/version says what? |
| 06:34.36 | Callahad | Lagos: Heh, well, the I in IDE has to come from something :) |
| 06:34.55 | spikeb | gnomefiles.org might have a better GTK only IDE |
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| 06:36.20 | udos | !moo |
| 06:36.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 06:36.37 | enouf | !abitmoo |
| 06:36.42 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 06:36.42 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 06:37.01 | Lagos | No worries. I'm being silly. Debian's nice habit of removing dependencies means I don't mind. |
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| 06:38.31 | |ryan| | enouf: hod on |
| 06:38.34 | |ryan| | I'm rebooting |
| 06:38.44 | |ryan| | gotta wait for the fscking DMA timeouts |
| 06:38.50 | enouf | |ryan|: I can't guarantee this will work, but I'm messing with hdparm lately as well , and have managed to tweak my drives via editing /etc/default/hdparm, and /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 06:39.07 | |ryan| | enouf: I'm sure that I will not work |
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| 06:39.23 | Callahad | I'm at an annoying point in my CS career. I finally learned enough lisp-1 to understand why its so powerful, which makes me want to go to Emacs, but I'm already rather efficient in Vim :( |
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| 06:39.27 | enouf | |ryan|: well then .. don't approach it from that method |
| 06:39.36 | enouf | |ryan|: take a diff approach |
| 06:39.43 | Kevin` | there is a kernel option for disabling dma on all devices or ide devices |
| 06:40.04 | enouf | I think he wants it to affect only one |
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| 06:40.20 | |ryan| | Kevin`: ide=nodma, ide0=nodma and hda=nodma don't work |
| 06:40.23 | enouf | some kind of Compact Flash POS |
| 06:40.31 | quitte_ | Callahad: i think you can configure emacs to behave like vi |
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| 06:41.17 | spikeb | Callahad: use emacs with vi(m) features!@ |
| 06:41.17 | \amethyst | Callahad: In all fairness, Emacs Lisp is a pretty lame Lisp |
| 06:41.38 | Callahad | spikeb: Do you know how faithfully it implements vim-like behavior? |
| 06:41.48 | |ryan| | /proc/version: Linux version 2.6.18-4-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 16:06:54 UTC 2007 |
| 06:41.51 | enouf | |ryan|: reroll your initrd .. don't ask me exactly how .. because well ..it depends |
| 06:42.05 | |ryan| | enouf: I'm looking at the intramfs |
| 06:42.10 | spikeb | Callahad: not a clue. i use vim and nano heh |
| 06:42.16 | Callahad | :) |
| 06:42.29 | enouf | mkinitramfs, and update-initramfs, man atleast those |
| 06:42.43 | Callahad | \amethyst: In what sense? I've heard its antiquated compared to CL, but then again, CL is huge and mind-boggling. |
| 06:42.55 | \amethyst | Callahad: no lexical scope, for one thing |
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| 06:43.30 | Callahad | Lagos: Gnomefiles found this IDE. Don't know if it's decent at all, but it does fit the bill as being lightweight. http://geany.uvena.de/ |
| 06:43.34 | \amethyst | Callahad: eval's not smart enough to do tail-recursion elimination |
| 06:43.49 | Lagos | Looking at it, Callahad. Thanks. |
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| 06:43.54 | \amethyst | Callahad: s/eval/the implementation/ |
| 06:44.00 | Callahad | \amethyst: ...Oh, ouch. :( |
| 06:44.11 | \amethyst | Callahad: Oh, and emacs is single-threaded |
| 06:44.24 | Lagos | Oh man. Will this have jump to definition functionality? |
| 06:44.56 | spikeb | you could! |
| 06:44.59 | |ryan| | will kernel paramaters be passed to modules? |
| 06:45.04 | \amethyst | I only complain because I've been using it so long :) |
| 06:45.28 | Callahad | spikeb: Vimsh felt awkward, and vim + screen means losing the benefits of gvim. Anything else out there? |
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| 06:46.02 | spikeb | Callahad: Callahadvimsh! |
| 06:46.09 | spikeb | Callahad: in other words, scratch your itch :P |
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| 06:46.12 | |ryan| | fsck |
| 06:46.16 | \amethyst | |ryan|: aha |
| 06:46.31 | Callahad | spikeb: Haha, point. Though Vimsh does look like it's improved significantly since I last tried it. |
| 06:46.46 | \amethyst | |ryan|: so you'll need to change the modprobe configuration on the initramfs maybe? |
| 06:47.34 | vn | <spikeb> Callahad: not a clue. i use vim and nano heh <=== I already <3 j00 |
| 06:47.45 | spikeb | vn: yay |
| 06:47.48 | vn | :p |
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| 06:48.06 | vn | I use vim, nano/pico and joe |
| 06:48.19 | vn | a perfect kit |
| 06:48.24 | |ryan| | \amethyst: yeah, but how do I do that? |
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| 06:50.03 | \amethyst | |ryan|: hmm... what does /proc/ide/hda/driver say? |
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| 06:51.58 | jetscreamer | dievidie |
| 06:52.18 | |ryan| | donno |
| 06:52.20 | |ryan| | rebooting |
| 06:52.31 | |ryan| | fuck |
| 06:52.34 | |ryan| | that didn't work |
| 06:52.37 | jetscreamer | a duck |
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| 06:52.54 | |ryan| | is there any way to see what options a driver was loaded with? |
| 06:53.12 | vn | jetscreamer: want to share your experience? ;) |
| 06:53.24 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 06:53.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 06:53.41 | vn | jetscreamer: I was talking about the duck :p |
| 06:53.47 | jetscreamer | o |
| 06:53.48 | pstickne | I wish the KDE xkb options would stop sucking. |
| 06:54.01 | pathway | What are the recommended /etc/apt/sources.list entries for Sarge? |
| 06:54.05 | spikeb | i hear kde itself is on the road to not sucking. |
| 06:54.08 | spikeb | which is interesting. |
| 06:54.14 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 06:54.14 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 06:54.33 | |ryan| | doesn't apt-spy just test latency? |
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| 06:54.51 | jetscreamer | theoretically only uses approved sources though |
| 06:55.07 | jetscreamer | so approved+fastest==tehwin |
| 06:55.22 | BUMBACL0T | is backports bad for your system? |
| 06:55.34 | pathway | No idea. Was just wondering what the "recommended" sources were... debian, non-us, security... are there others? |
| 06:55.35 | |ryan| | the fucking card CLAIMS it supports DMA |
| 06:55.48 | jetscreamer | !tell pathway -about marillat |
| 06:55.56 | |ryan| | i think |
| 06:56.26 | spikeb | marillat is now debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:56.28 | jetscreamer | pathway: main contrib non-free |
| 06:56.37 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, is backports bad for your system? |
| 06:56.53 | vn | no its good |
| 06:57.05 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: i can't speak from experience, never used them.. but shouldn't be a problem from a trusted source |
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| 06:57.23 | BUMBACL0T | how come backports is outdated? |
| 06:57.27 | pathway | K. How far are we away from 4.0? (Etch, isn't it?) Looking forward to it. |
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| 06:57.35 | jetscreamer | i dunno i just run sid |
| 06:57.42 | pathway | hehe |
| 06:57.45 | vn | pathway: topic |
| 06:57.50 | DocPlatypus | pathway: not that far |
| 06:57.53 | spikeb | pathway: 72RC bugs last count |
| 06:58.01 | spikeb | BUMBACL0T: they backport carefully. |
| 06:58.02 | jetscreamer | december 2006 |
| 06:58.12 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 06:58.48 | jetscreamer | captain kirk defeated the gorn |
| 06:59.42 | BUMBACL0T | i see |
| 07:00.07 | |ryan| | GRRRR |
| 07:00.10 | ma3x | my router displays these warnings |
| 07:00.11 | ma3x | kernel: Intrusion -> IN=nas_8_36 OUT= MAC=00:16:38:ce:64:40:00:d0:52:09:65:0b:08:00 SRC=89.82.244.129 DST=89.82.249.82 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=123 ID=8158 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=4061 DPT=135 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SY |
| 07:00.16 | ma3x | now what causes that? |
| 07:00.16 | BUMBACL0T | why is my system eating 98% of my memory and im not even running any desktop environment? |
| 07:00.23 | ma3x | I get it on port 135 and 139 |
| 07:00.23 | Callahad | Heh. "Etch will be released in -3 months" |
| 07:00.33 | spikeb | Callahad: woot. |
| 07:00.36 | ma3x | and when I try to do a scan on myself remotely, I don't get the warning |
| 07:00.41 | ma3x | how is it triggered? |
| 07:00.52 | |ryan| | ma3x: Ignore it. It's background radiation. |
| 07:01.02 | spikeb | BUMBACL0T: is it actually eating the memory, or are you just freaking out over the way linux reports memory usage? |
| 07:01.17 | |ryan| | windows systems infected with worms or jube being loud |
| 07:01.20 | DocPlatypus | DPL? |
| 07:01.21 | enouf | |ryan|: what's lspci say about the device? |
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| 07:01.31 | |ryan| | enouf: the IDE bus? |
| 07:01.38 | enouf | Rothgar: which module does it need? |
| 07:01.43 | enouf | er |ryan| |
| 07:01.52 | enouf | dro pthe fscken pipes you crackhead! |
| 07:01.57 | |ryan| | via[something] |
| 07:02.03 | BUMBACL0T | spikeb, seriously, take a look: http://70.160.26.12:31337/sys |
| 07:02.08 | Azar | Callahad: I don't think so |
| 07:02.10 | ma3x | |ryan|: can you explain that background radiation |
| 07:02.14 | enouf | via something deosn't cut it |
| 07:02.25 | ma3x | |ryan|: it's usually when someone does a scan on those ports , right? |
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| 07:02.28 | Azar | Callahad: did you look at the state of the existing bugs? |
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| 07:02.38 | BUMBACL0T | spikeb, see it? |
| 07:02.39 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 07:02.48 | ma3x | |ryan|: well why cant I get the warnings when I do a scan on myself from a remote host? |
| 07:02.49 | |ryan| | via82cxxx |
| 07:02.54 | spikeb | BUMBACL0T: it's only using 66% |
| 07:02.59 | Ramattack | wich chipset is better for gpu? or what do you think? ati or nvidia? |
| 07:03.08 | enouf | is that listed in /etc/modules? |
| 07:03.08 | Callahad | Azar: I haven't, as I prefer unstable. |
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| 07:03.18 | jetscreamer | ramanujan: anandtech.com or tom's |
| 07:03.19 | |ryan| | ma3x: Nobody can tell you that without looking at your iptables ruleset. |
| 07:03.25 | BUMBACL0T | spikeb, how come it says 98% then? |
| 07:03.34 | Azar | Callahad: I did and I would surely not want Etch with the existing bugs out |
| 07:03.39 | DocPlatypus | ramanujan: as far as running a free driver, they are equally undesirable |
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| 07:03.55 | Callahad | Azar: Hm. *wonders over to bugzilla* |
| 07:03.59 | spikeb | BUMBACL0T: 98% of your physical memory is "used" but only 66% of it is actually doing anything, the rest is cached/buffered. and that's fine. |
| 07:04.02 | DocPlatypus | as far as getting basic 2D without a blob, I think nVidious is unfortunately the only choice |
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| 07:04.17 | enouf | |ryan|: i can't use your nick like that .. so just look for my replies .. without a nick prepended, they'll be to you alone, since all (99.9%) aren't a pita to use |
| 07:04.19 | |ryan| | ma3x: any internet connected machine will get packets from worms attempting to infect it every couple of minutes. |
| 07:04.19 | BUMBACL0T | spikeb, oh i see what you're saying |
| 07:04.30 | spikeb | BUMBACL0T: that's normal-ish :) |
| 07:04.38 | enouf | is that listed in /etc/modules? |
| 07:04.41 | billy | Firestarter fails to load at boot. `Starting Firestarter: failed`. How can I fix Firestarter to load at boot? |
| 07:04.48 | enouf | ryan|: nice |
| 07:04.52 | DocPlatypus | I miss the simplicity of the late 1990's. if you wanted basic 2D you grabbed a video card and you were reasonably assured of free drivers for it |
| 07:04.56 | ryan| | anyway |
| 07:05.00 | spikeb | actually if you get supported ATI cards, you can get OSS drivers for up to 3d. |
| 07:05.03 | enouf | ryan|: is that listed in /etc/modules? |
| 07:05.08 | ryan| | yeah. |
| 07:05.32 | jetscreamer | nvidia is easier to get going than fglrx |
| 07:05.34 | enouf | ryan|: and it's not listed as blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist .. yes? |
| 07:05.56 | jetscreamer | as opposed to nv|ati |
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| 07:06.00 | Ramattack | spykeb yep but nvidia too provides propietary drivers... isn't it? |
| 07:06.02 | DocPlatypus | spikeb: and you've compiled them from source yourself, right? for a brand new ATi card? |
| 07:06.04 | spikeb | but, there's also noveou or however it's spelled, workin on a free 3d driver for nvidia. |
| 07:06.08 | enouf | ryan|: reroll you initramfs using the info in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 07:06.16 | enouf | your* |
| 07:06.16 | spikeb | DocPlatypus: brand new, of course not. notice how i said SUPPORTED card |
| 07:06.22 | Azar | nouveau |
| 07:06.24 | ryan| | enouf: I'm not sure how to do that. |
| 07:06.26 | spikeb | Azar: thanks. |
| 07:06.46 | Azar | spikeb: that with a bit luck may come out next year |
| 07:06.46 | ryan| | enouf: er. |
| 07:06.47 | enouf | ryan|: man man man , as i stated earlier .. read that file too |
| 07:07.03 | spikeb | Azar: they seem to be actually making progress, which surprised me. |
| 07:07.07 | ma3x | ryan|: I get these warnings every 12 minutes, all the time. should I report it to my isp? (since its an ip from my isps customer) |
| 07:07.30 | ryan| | ma3x: what's your IP address? |
| 07:07.49 | Azar | spikeb: did you see the new linuxbios? |
| 07:07.50 | ma3x | ryan|: 89.82.249.82 |
| 07:07.59 | ryan| | ma3x: what's your subnet mask? |
| 07:08.01 | spikeb | DocPlatypus: if one wants to use a Free driver for a brand new video card, they're pretty much screwed. |
| 07:08.05 | spikeb | Azar: i read a bit about it |
| 07:08.28 | ryan| | ma3x: ifconfig will list it |
| 07:08.35 | \amethyst | spikeb: if they want accelerated 3D, anyway |
| 07:08.35 | Ramattack | ok then |
| 07:08.40 | ma3x | ryan|: 255.255.255.0 |
| 07:08.44 | Ramattack | I think I'll buy an nvidia one... |
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| 07:08.46 | spikeb | \amethyst: aye. |
| 07:08.46 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 07:08.56 | ma3x | ryan|: note I'm behind a router/modem (adsl) |
| 07:08.59 | jetscreamer | the other one |
| 07:09.06 | ryan| | ma3x: It's PROBABLY just unflitered broadcast traffic. |
| 07:09.17 | spikeb | Ramattack: if you're choosing based on their proprietary drivers, then you made the better choice |
| 07:09.20 | enouf | cp /boot/initrd.xxxx /boot/initrd.xxxx.BACKUP ; mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd-xxxxxx /boot/inird-xxxxxx <-- ryan| something like that |
| 07:09.28 | ryan| | ma3x: er, no, it's routed. |
| 07:09.38 | enouf | ryan|: then update-initramfs |
| 07:09.54 | Ramattack | so... bye mates! |
| 07:09.55 | ma3x | ryan|: what does that mean [unfiltered bcast traffic] ? |
| 07:09.57 | Rhizome | Anyone know if there are any netinst stable with a later kernel? 2.6.8 is a real hassle installing on hardware with SATA. |
| 07:09.58 | ryan| | ma3x: One of your neighbors has a worm. I sugguest you disable logging it |
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| 07:10.00 | Azar | spikeb: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20070223145912.html |
| 07:10.01 | cast | hmm, anyone know the name of the thingy to let a user start a program that listens on a priviledged port? |
| 07:10.27 | enouf | ryan|: but 1st alter the file /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules to include your module, uncommented |
| 07:10.28 | ryan| | ma3x: reporting it 5 times a day gets old real fast. |
| 07:10.32 | Ramattack | spikeb yep but not all ati cards... are supported on linux isn't it? |
| 07:10.38 | ma3x | ryan|: but why when I do a scan on myself, I don't get the warnings? is his infected machine using some kind of software that is trying to connect to those ports? |
| 07:10.41 | Ramattack | non propietary neither free.. |
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| 07:10.55 | spikeb | Ramattack: im not really familiar with which cards are and aren't supported |
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| 07:11.18 | Ramattack | well ok thanks a lot mates |
| 07:11.19 | spikeb | my onboard video is supported (intel) and so is the add-on vid-card i got (nvidia) heh |
| 07:11.46 | Ramattack | gone to work.... then thanks spikeb |
| 07:11.51 | Ramattack | bye! |
| 07:11.57 | ma3x | ryan|: I have this rule on the router LOG tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp flags:SYN,RST,ACK/SYN limit: avg 6/hour burst 5 LOG level alert prefix `Intrusion -> ' |
| 07:11.59 | damog | Rhizome: Sarge? |
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| 07:12.04 | ma3x | ryan|: suggest I modify it? |
| 07:12.04 | kenji | hi guys |
| 07:12.21 | Rhizome | damog: no? |
| 07:12.26 | kenji | I ran badblocks -ws /dev/hda2 in my debian box, then I stop the proccess at the half time, then restart the debian box and now I can't mount my /dev/hda2 partition, can some one tell me whats happening please? |
| 07:12.30 | ryan| | ma3x: It dosn't show anything when you scan because it is only allowed to make a log message once every 12 minutes. |
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| 07:12.53 | Rhizome | damog: then i'll just install it through a chroot in knoppix instead. |
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| 07:13.14 | \amethyst | kenji: You didn't read the section "WARNING" in the badblocks man page |
| 07:13.22 | ryan| | ma3x: that logging directive is pretty useless. |
| 07:13.42 | \amethyst | kenji: badblocks -w is a destructive test |
| 07:13.55 | kenji | so? |
| 07:13.56 | ryan| | enouf: no, the fucking thing STILL tries to use DMA |
| 07:13.58 | kenji | what can I do? |
| 07:14.02 | \amethyst | kenji: So the first have of your data is gone |
| 07:14.02 | ma3x | ryan|: how do you know this? (that its allowed to log once / 12 minutes)? |
| 07:14.03 | Azar | kenji: reinstall :) |
| 07:14.03 | SlayerXP | kenji: you toasted the filesystem. just restore from your backup. |
| 07:14.05 | DocPlatypus | kenji: no big deal really, just restore from backup |
| 07:14.15 | ryan| | ma3x: limit 6/hour |
| 07:14.15 | \amethyst | s/have/half/ |
| 07:14.17 | kenji | I don't have a backup |
| 07:14.23 | Azar | I thought so |
| 07:14.24 | DocPlatypus | then you're screwed |
| 07:14.27 | ryan| | well, every 10 minutes |
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| 07:14.31 | kenji | is there a tool to recover the data? |
| 07:14.32 | SlayerXP | kenji: it can't have been important data, then. |
| 07:14.37 | \amethyst | DocPlatypus: You're cruel :) |
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| 07:14.46 | SlayerXP | kenji: yes, it's called "a sensible backup strategy" |
| 07:14.52 | ryan| | kenji: got a few thousand dollars? |
| 07:14.53 | DocPlatypus | kenji: only making a copy from your backup |
| 07:15.00 | DocPlatypus | this is why you make backups of important data |
| 07:15.00 | kenji | mmm |
| 07:15.17 | \amethyst | ryan|: more than that |
| 07:15.17 | kenji | I can't do really nothing |
| 07:15.17 | DocPlatypus | this is why you read the documentation if you're not sure what a command does |
| 07:15.17 | diskus | and read manuals before typing something |
| 07:15.18 | DocPlatypus | that's basic computer literacy |
| 07:15.22 | \amethyst | ryan|: badblocks -w does multiple passes with different bit patters |
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| 07:15.27 | ryan| | oh |
| 07:15.27 | Azar | kenji: when you decide to run a destructive test, not even reading about it and not making backups the only good tool is "reinstall" |
| 07:15.31 | ryan| | he's totaly fucked then. |
| 07:15.45 | kenji | the system is in /dev/hda1 |
| 07:15.52 | kenji | the data in /dev/hda2 |
| 07:16.01 | ryan| | kenji: It's gone. It would costs millions to recover. |
| 07:16.05 | \amethyst | well |
| 07:16.09 | damog | Rhizome: You can use the not official sarge with 2.6.20 support |
| 07:16.12 | \amethyst | to be fair, only half of it is gone |
| 07:16.18 | \amethyst | since you stopped it halfway through |
| 07:16.24 | diskus | well probably not millions, but I bet it will be like 5000+ euros :P |
| 07:16.30 | kenji | where can I put that millions to recover the data? |
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| 07:16.38 | DocPlatypus | it can't be that important if you didn't have backups. |
| 07:16.47 | ma3x | ryan|: could you suggest what rules are useful from http://channels.debian.net/paste/5694 so that I can remove the ones I don't need |
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| 07:17.00 | Azar | maybe he thought that is something similar with defrag |
| 07:17.08 | kenji | I didn't know what I was doing |
| 07:17.14 | kenji | what can I do? |
| 07:17.17 | DocPlatypus | and who's fault is that? |
| 07:17.21 | Rhizome | damog: oh, very cool ;) where can i find it? |
| 07:17.24 | kenji | its my fault |
| 07:17.28 | kenji | what can I do? |
| 07:17.30 | DocPlatypus | oh well. eat it and move on |
| 07:17.31 | Azar | kenji: reinstall |
| 07:17.40 | ryan| | kenji: How much is the data worth to you? |
| 07:17.41 | kenji | reinstall will recover the data? |
| 07:17.47 | kenji | much |
| 07:17.47 | Azar | nope |
| 07:17.53 | DocPlatypus | kenji: no, restoring the backups would recover it. |
| 07:17.53 | damog | Rhizome: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 07:17.55 | \amethyst | kenji: You can hand the hard drive to a data recovery specialist to get half your data back, maybe more if they're good |
| 07:17.57 | Azar | you chopped your data in pieces... |
| 07:17.58 | ryan| | kenji: give us a number. |
| 07:18.01 | DocPlatypus | obviously it wasn't that important if you didn't make backups |
| 07:18.10 | kenji | a number to call? |
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| 07:18.14 | ryan| | no |
| 07:18.22 | diskus | check your local phone book |
| 07:18.25 | kenji | xD |
| 07:18.25 | Rhizome | damog: thanks alot, would you believe i even tried installing testing and downgrading? messy :P |
| 07:18.27 | ryan| | A dollar/euro value for your data. |
| 07:18.28 | diskus | maybe there are some companies |
| 07:18.35 | ryan| | and what kind of data is it? |
| 07:18.41 | Azar | pron |
| 07:18.41 | kenji | personal data :( |
| 07:18.59 | ryan| | kenji: porn? text documents? databases? |
| 07:19.04 | kenji | documents |
| 07:19.06 | kenji | databases |
| 07:19.12 | kenji | my life in video and pictures |
| 07:19.17 | Azar | omg |
| 07:19.26 | kenji | its personal data |
| 07:19.29 | kenji | porn to xD |
| 07:19.37 | kenji | well I have 20years old |
| 07:19.54 | ryan| | kenji: And you don't have backups? |
| 07:19.55 | Azar | still young you can redo your life on your pc |
| 07:20.05 | kenji | and 2 computers, the laptop and desktop, the desktop its a celeron whit 600mhz and 140 gb of hard disk space |
| 07:20.10 | damog | Rhizome: You could use some backports. |
| 07:20.11 | kenji | no backups |
| 07:20.13 | SlayerXP | kenji: there's a song that I feel is appropriate |
| 07:20.18 | SlayerXP | the lyrics go: |
| 07:20.20 | damog | Rhizome: backported packages |
| 07:20.24 | jetscreamer | it will probably cost you at least $250/hr |
| 07:20.24 | DocPlatypus | hope you learned your lesson. make backups |
| 07:20.29 | SlayerXP | # yesterday, all my backups seemed a waste of pay |
| 07:20.36 | SlayerXP | # but now my database has gone away |
| 07:20.47 | jetscreamer | !sing the song of lament |
| 07:20.48 | SlayerXP | # oh how I long for yesterday |
| 07:21.13 | ryan| | kenji: There are utilities that will recover files from damaged media. But anything which is overwritten is in the realm of 'if you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it' |
| 07:21.18 | Rhizome | damog: That image looks like it has everything i need, I just need a later kernel to get sata support. |
| 07:21.34 | kenji | mmm |
| 07:21.34 | Azar | hey I have a better idea: mount a camera behind you aiming at your screen, record all you type or do on your PC and bingo: you get backups |
| 07:21.44 | spikeb | haha |
| 07:21.47 | kenji | where can I get the recover tools? |
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| 07:22.08 | Azar | kenji: you do not understand: you destroyed your data: it cannot be recovered |
| 07:22.44 | kenji | a msn friend its saying that I can use [01:21:50] Mr. Bit Fly - Gi, Yü, Jin, Rei, Shin, Meiko, Chügi dice: |
| 07:22.44 | kenji | forensics |
| 07:22.55 | kenji | is there a way whit foresics? |
| 07:22.57 | dimir | Early moin! |
| 07:23.03 | ryan| | kenji: recoverjpeg will get photos |
| 07:23.17 | \amethyst | kenji: You need forensics like microscopes |
| 07:23.18 | kenji | :O |
| 07:23.18 | ryan| | kenji: strings will let you pull out text-based files. |
| 07:23.41 | \amethyst | kenji: to get the first half, that is |
| 07:23.43 | billy | Firestarter fails at boot. Starts fine with command in GNOME. How can I fix firestarter? |
| 07:23.45 | kenji | can you see? there is a way :D |
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| 07:24.31 | kenji | now, first step? |
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| 07:25.00 | ryan| | kenji: You need to understand, though, at LEAST half of your data is gone. You will not get it back. |
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| 07:25.14 | ryan| | kenji: how full was the hard drive, percentage wise? |
| 07:25.23 | ryan| | also |
| 07:25.33 | kenji | but the badblocks -ws just ran 30minutes over 140gb of data |
| 07:25.40 | ryan| | anybody else have any ideas on how the hell to fix this DMA crap? |
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| 07:25.55 | ryan| | kenji: 140GB of data or a 140GB partition? |
| 07:26.04 | \amethyst | kenji: what was the last block number -s printed? |
| 07:26.09 | Lagos | /etc/profile is the happy place to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for bash? |
| 07:26.12 | kenji | 140gb partition whit 50gb of data |
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| 07:26.53 | ryan| | kenji: can you tell how far badblocks got? what block number? |
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| 07:27.18 | kenji | where can I search that info? |
| 07:27.32 | ryan| | kenji: did you reboot your computer? |
| 07:27.44 | kenji | yes |
| 07:27.44 | SlayerXP | kenji: "whit" isn't a word. perhaps you mean "with". |
| 07:27.55 | kenji | sorry I don't speak english |
| 07:27.58 | ryan| | kenji: it's gone now. |
| 07:28.10 | \amethyst | SlayerXP: "whit" is a word, it just wouldn't be grammatical there :) |
| 07:28.15 | kenji | Im from mexico but the american IRC channels are sleeping xD |
| 07:28.32 | kenji | sorry |
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| 07:28.41 | SubStack | I blame DST |
| 07:28.53 | ryan| | kenji: what filesystem were you using? |
| 07:29.02 | kenji | where can I search the info about the last block number? |
| 07:29.13 | kenji | reiserf, ext3 and fat |
| 07:29.26 | kenji | there was a partition of 60gb whit 40gb of data (reiserf) |
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| 07:29.40 | kenji | one of 20gb of data (fat32) |
| 07:29.42 | SlayerXP | \amethyst: you know, I wouldn't have exepcted _anyone_ to know that the word does exist, it's just not in common use. |
| 07:29.50 | kenji | the other one don't mater |
| 07:29.54 | ryan| | kenji: you can't find the last block number wiped now. |
| 07:29.55 | SlayerXP | \amethyst: I'm a scrabble fiend :) |
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| 07:30.03 | kenji | ok |
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| 07:30.19 | kenji | it was something like the 8gb of 60 and the 12gb of 30 |
| 07:30.28 | SlayerXP | you used reiserfs with no backups? |
| 07:30.32 | SlayerXP | you're insane. |
| 07:30.34 | enouf | as well it should .. |
| 07:31.21 | ryan| | kenji: http://www.google.com/search?q=data+recovery+service |
| 07:31.22 | kenji | please :( |
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| 07:31.30 | kenji | service? |
| 07:32.07 | kenji | what have they that I don't have? |
| 07:32.07 | ryan| | kenji: A bunch of custom software and many years of experiance. |
| 07:32.14 | kenji | is not there open source software to recover data? |
| 07:32.14 | \amethyst | kenji: years of experience, and an intimate knowledge of on-disk file system layouts |
| 07:32.19 | ryan| | And, yeah, reiserfs is a roal bitch to revocer data off of. |
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| 07:32.57 | \amethyst | kenji: before you go doing any of that, you should back up what you have before you lose any more |
| 07:33.06 | ryan| | kenji: There is some software. But recovering data in situations like yours requires a lot of manual work, and very complicated huristics. |
| 07:33.28 | kenji | huristics? I don't have something like that xD |
| 07:33.43 | kenji | ametyst all my data was there :( |
| 07:33.46 | \amethyst | Now, that certainly *isn't* a word |
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| 07:33.55 | \amethyst | kenji: have you learned your lesson about backups? |
| 07:34.06 | \amethyst | kenji: Not to be callous or anything... |
| 07:34.07 | Callahad | Oh, wow, Reiser without backups? :( |
| 07:34.16 | kenji | :| |
| 07:34.16 | kenji | yes |
| 07:34.17 | SlayerXP | kenji: we're done here. you didn't have backups. you have lost your data. start collecting data again. learn about backups. |
| 07:34.45 | kenji | can I say bad words here? :D |
| 07:34.46 | kenji | xD |
| 07:34.58 | ryan| | Callahad: Have you ever seen what happens when you fsck a reiserfs filesystem that has another reiserfs loopback filesystem on it? |
| 07:35.16 | ryan| | Callahad: Have you used XFS? |
| 07:35.21 | Callahad | ryan|: Nope. I stopped playing with Reiser when I stopped playing with Gentoo |
| 07:35.31 | SlayerXP | reiserfs' fsck may as well be a symlink to mkfs.reiserfs |
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| 07:35.43 | Callahad | haha! |
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| 07:36.08 | kenji | mmm |
| 07:36.16 | Callahad | ryan|: No, I haven't. Heard XFS wasn't very fault-tolerant, and was best suited to systems with UPS backups and such. |
| 07:36.23 | ma3x | what will happen if I drop all ICMP packets? |
| 07:36.33 | ryan| | ma3x: things will break. |
| 07:36.35 | SlayerXP | ma3x: I'll pont at you and laugh. |
| 07:36.37 | SlayerXP | point |
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| 07:36.56 | DocPlatypus | SlayerXP: that bad? |
| 07:37.14 | \amethyst | ma3x: "destination unreachable" packets are ICMP |
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| 07:37.23 | \amethyst | ma3x: so you'll never find out that another machine doesn't exist |
| 07:37.24 | DocPlatypus | my friend's new amd64 box is using reiserfs, partially on my advice. should I convert it to ext3? |
| 07:37.30 | ryan| | and so are packets for path mtu discovery |
| 07:37.32 | \amethyst | until timeout |
| 07:37.36 | kenji | why you stoped ussing gentoo callahad? |
| 07:37.55 | Callahad | kenji: I came to my senses :) |
| 07:37.56 | cast | DocPlatypus: not really imho. i use reiserfs on all the partitions on this amd64 box |
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| 07:38.20 | Callahad | kenji: I wanted to spend more time using my computer than waiting for it to compile packages. |
| 07:38.24 | cast | DocPlatypus: it is backed by a ups though :). keep backups. thats all it comes down to, extX or reierfs or whatever |
| 07:39.15 | ryan| | Callahad: I have UPSs. I was thinking about using XFS on my fileserver due to low space overhead. |
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| 07:40.05 | drummer_wilson | is there any way to get other themes for gnome? |
| 07:40.06 | Callahad | DocPlatypus: Reiser is nice and speedy, but I'd strongly suggest ensuring that proper backups are happening on your friend's box. Drop another HD in there, format it Ext3, and set up rsnapshot to make a backup every hour / night |
| 07:40.13 | dutchfish | anyone tried running xen on a debian etch desktop install, is it workable? |
| 07:40.49 | ma3x | how can I create a rule to block all incoming traffic on port 135,139? |
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| 07:41.08 | ryan| | ma3x: read the frozentux iptables guide. |
| 07:41.11 | Callahad | ryan|: I've heard lots of very, very positive things about XFS, but it does seem to bite people more than most on sudden power failure. Or at least that was my impression. Turns out, JFS isn't much better :) |
| 07:41.12 | DocPlatypus | Callahad: he has a UPS ... I may just convert it to ext3 |
| 07:41.53 | DocPlatypus | he knows to keep backups, he has an external HD formatted ext3 (or ext2 maybe?) |
| 07:42.00 | Callahad | DocPlatypus: Oh, that's good then. |
| 07:42.08 | ryan| | Callahad: I think I'd rather have reliable. |
| 07:42.21 | DocPlatypus | actually I'm trusting one of my offsite backups to that reiserfs |
| 07:42.30 | ryan| | especialy with what a pain it is to backup sevral hundered gigs of data. |
| 07:42.39 | Callahad | ryan|: Personally, I'm pining for Solaris to go GPL so we can get some ZFS goodness. |
| 07:42.55 | ryan| | Callahad: Same here. I want ZFS. |
| 07:42.56 | rohinton | Solaris is already free? |
| 07:43.12 | FuzzyB | oh yes |
| 07:43.13 | DocPlatypus | I would like to see OpenBSD's UFS ported over |
| 07:43.23 | ryan| | Callahad: They should add RAID-6 style redundancy to it though. |
| 07:43.24 | FuzzyB | it's been available to people for years for free |
| 07:43.45 | FuzzyB | zfs has alot more going on then any raid 6 implementation |
| 07:43.53 | ryan| | I have RAID 6 on my fileserver (I know too many people who've had a second drive fail) |
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| 07:44.01 | FuzzyB | i had it happen tonight |
| 07:44.04 | FuzzyB | that's why i'm still at work |
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| 07:44.06 | FuzzyB | :[ |
| 07:44.10 | drummer_wilson | hi! how can i get more themes for gnome??? |
| 07:44.12 | ryan| | two drives fail on a RAID5? |
| 07:44.15 | FuzzyB | yep |
| 07:44.16 | Callahad | rohinton: Solaris has been free for a while, but available under the CDDL, which is gpl-incompatible. |
| 07:44.22 | deathnote | hi..how do i remove radeon and drm module from loading up????? |
| 07:44.22 | rohinton | ok |
| 07:44.24 | FuzzyB | samba file server that's been going for half a decade |
| 07:44.24 | ryan| | how many were in the array> |
| 07:44.27 | deathnote | which file do i edit |
| 07:44.27 | FuzzyB | 6 |
| 07:44.28 | cast | i want an official solaris port :) |
| 07:44.33 | deathnote | in debian |
| 07:44.55 | FuzzyB | i'm supprised no one's mentioned kfreebsd in this |
| 07:45.01 | Callahad | drummer_wilson: http://art.gnome.org/ http://www.gnome-look.org/ |
| 07:45.06 | rohinton | Nexenta was the OpenSolaris distro I looked at - all in all it's ok. |
| 07:45.31 | drummer_wilson | Callahad: thnx |
| 07:45.32 | spikeb | half a decade sounds impressive until you figure out the actual numbers. |
| 07:45.34 | Eulex | !tell deathnote about blacklist |
| 07:45.38 | enouf | ryan|: this file has the same contents /etc/initramfs-tools/modules .. but if you re-rolled your initramfs with the via driver and it still doesn't work pporperly, perhaps you need a diff module, like say mmc ones {mmc_core.ko, mmc_block.ko} etc .. what fscken POS card is that thing so i know to stay far away from it |
| 07:45.40 | cast | kfreebsd has zfs? i can't remember, i remember a FUSE, maybe a zfs fbsd SoC project |
| 07:45.43 | FuzzyB | it's actually probally closer to 10 years |
| 07:45.55 | FuzzyB | the raid controller says 98 and that's probally very close to when it went in |
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| 07:46.11 | spikeb | heh nice |
| 07:46.16 | FuzzyB | not really |
| 07:46.36 | ryan| | enouf: fsck. I was messing with the wrong file |
| 07:46.36 | FuzzyB | for some damm reason our accounting dept was on this server |
| 07:46.41 | FuzzyB | they have an audit tommarow |
| 07:46.57 | rohinton | ryan: raid 6, do you mean raid 1+5? |
| 07:47.00 | FuzzyB | last backup to tape was a month ago before the tape library took a crap and no one noticed |
| 07:47.03 | FuzzyB | rohinton: no |
| 07:47.13 | FuzzyB | rohinton: raid - 6 = double pairity |
| 07:47.16 | rohinton | oh - raid 6 is new to me then... |
| 07:47.18 | rohinton | ok |
| 07:47.21 | FuzzyB | it's just 5 |
| 07:47.21 | enouf | well .. i think the man pages should clear that up .. not to mention the /usr/share/doc/initramfs* docs |
| 07:47.23 | FuzzyB | with a 2nd parity |
| 07:47.35 | FuzzyB | so you can lose 2 drives per array and still maintain integerity |
| 07:47.53 | rohinton | i see. |
| 07:48.02 | FuzzyB | it's cool, but the trade off is that's an extra calculation that goes down every time there is a write |
| 07:48.02 | ryan| | it's slow, though. |
| 07:48.09 | hesco | I hear the daylight savings schedule changed. How do I update my time zone data so my machines know about that? |
| 07:48.11 | dutchfish | FuzzyB, what is the min num off disks for this setup? |
| 07:48.20 | FuzzyB | raid 6 needs a min of 4 |
| 07:48.26 | FuzzyB | hesco: it already happened |
| 07:48.30 | ryan| | hesco: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should do it. |
| 07:48.31 | rohinton | dst started last night/this morning |
| 07:48.33 | hesco | I was told to look for tzdata, but apt-cache search doesn't know about it. |
| 07:48.41 | FuzzyB | tzdata is the file itself |
| 07:48.45 | FuzzyB | just do what ryan said |
| 07:48.47 | FuzzyB | and you should be good |
| 07:48.58 | FuzzyB | file format i guess i should say |
| 07:49.07 | hesco | yeah, that's why I noticed it. Suddenly folks are saying I'm behind the times. |
| 07:49.14 | rohinton | :-) |
| 07:49.36 | enouf | still livin in te 80s eh? |
| 07:49.42 | enouf | the* |
| 07:49.44 | ryan| | enouf: It's a transend card. |
| 07:49.58 | cast | you mean you guys don't just use UTC? |
| 07:50.01 | enouf | ryan|: got a URL? |
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| 07:50.14 | FuzzyB | utc still doesn't help the localtime translation |
| 07:50.34 | \amethyst | FuzzyB: not if localtime=UTC :) |
| 07:50.37 | ryan| | enouf: Not handy. I got it off newegg. It's not really a slow card, I was getting 6MB/sec on it. |
| 07:50.40 | FuzzyB | true |
| 07:50.42 | enouf | ryan|: and you've been to kmuto.jp/debian/hcl .. yes? |
| 07:50.50 | ryan| | enouf: no |
| 07:50.59 | enouf | go |
| 07:51.20 | ryan| | the fucking card seems to say it supports dma but doesn't/ |
| 07:51.43 | enouf | it'll tell you the module needed if it knows (in the database) |
| 07:52.01 | FuzzyB | i doubt you'd be getting 6MB/sec if you didn't have dma |
| 07:52.07 | ryan| | hmm |
| 07:52.21 | enouf | ryan|: you keep repeating your dma this and dma that with no technical info to back it |
| 07:52.21 | ryan| | BIOS says the card uses PIO4 |
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| 07:52.32 | Caleb1 | hey d00dz |
| 07:52.37 | Caleb1 | just thought you should know |
| 07:52.41 | Caleb1 | debian is teh suck |
| 07:52.41 | enouf | that's a start |
| 07:52.41 | ryan| | enouf: I can pastebod the hdparm info somehere. |
| 07:52.44 | FuzzyB | what does lspci or hdparm say? |
| 07:52.44 | Caleb1 | and i'm l33t |
| 07:52.45 | Caleb1 | so i know |
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| 07:53.01 | enouf | ryan|: and lspci -vv as root |
| 07:53.10 | ryan| | enouf: rebooting again, one sec |
| 07:53.13 | FuzzyB | Caleb1: drunk or just dumb? |
| 07:53.20 | Caleb1 | neither |
| 07:53.23 | Caleb1 | l33t |
| 07:53.27 | ryan| | enouf: I know what module my IDE chipset uses, though. |
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| 07:53.30 | FuzzyB | sounds like the later to me |
| 07:53.32 | cast | Caleb1: we agree completely, we're not actually debian users. this channel was setup to spread misinformation and general negitivity about debian |
| 07:53.43 | enouf | only post the card info though .. maybe .. do you even know what mobo chipset you have, i assume a via chipset |
| 07:53.44 | shogunx | i would say maybe both FuzzyB |
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| 07:54.26 | enouf | another one bites the dust |
| 07:54.44 | ryan| | enouf: via82cxxx is the ide driver. The motherboad is a VIA EPIA MII |
| 07:54.47 | Callahad | Good lord. When did hard drives get so cheap? |
| 07:54.56 | FuzzyB | couple years ago |
| 07:55.05 | mne | is there a way to force unmounting of NFS volumes ? (my box here tries to connect to offline NFS shares, unmount -f gives a "device or ressource busy") |
| 07:55.18 | FuzzyB | use lsof |
| 07:55.23 | FuzzyB | find the offending processes |
| 07:55.25 | FuzzyB | and kill them |
| 07:55.28 | ryan| | enouf: i added via82cxxx ide0=nodma (also did this for ide_core, ide_disk, and ide-generic) in the initramfs modules file. |
| 07:55.35 | enouf | ryan|: pastebin lspci -vv as root and visit that site I told you about |
| 07:55.44 | FuzzyB | then you should be able to unmount that nfs share |
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| 07:56.03 | mne | FuzzyB, right, that should work ;) |
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| 07:57.04 | enouf | ryan|: i will admit .. i know next to nothing about compact crud cards, but if they're ide, it should follow that interface specs/guidelines |
| 07:57.25 | mne | FuzzyB, seems like lsof is stuck (due to the unavailabe NFS volumes maybe ?) |
| 07:57.32 | FuzzyB | no |
| 07:57.37 | FuzzyB | it's trying to resolve something |
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| 07:57.42 | FuzzyB | find the switch that turns off resolving |
| 07:57.48 | mne | FuzzyB, ack |
| 07:57.51 | FuzzyB | might be -n |
| 07:57.52 | FuzzyB | or something |
| 07:58.16 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.16 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.25 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.26 | ryan| | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5696 |
| 07:58.26 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.32 | FuzzyB | there go read the lsof man page |
| 07:58.34 | FuzzyB | it's all there |
| 07:58.36 | enouf | mne make sure you're not in any of the dirs on the share, nor are any shells |
| 07:58.49 | FuzzyB | enouf: that's what lsof shows |
| 07:59.07 | phorce1 | any reasont to use the ATI source installer? The Debianized version seems to only 3 or 4 numbers behind |
| 07:59.07 | mne | enouf, i did already, but i guess there is still some process trying to access the shares |
| 07:59.31 | FuzzyB | good luck getting any ati driver to work |
| 07:59.51 | ryan| | enouf: that site agrees with me on the IDE driver |
| 07:59.54 | spikeb | phorce1: the 9800 is supported by the OSS radeon driver. |
| 08:00.15 | mne | FuzzyB, thanks. lsof says that no process currently has an open file on those nfs volumes ... |
| 08:00.26 | phorce1 | FuzzyB: And I want it to actually work well enough to output through the YPbPr adapter to a HiDef TV. heh. |
| 08:00.26 | FuzzyB | then i would check nfs stat |
| 08:00.44 | FuzzyB | phorce1: good luck with that |
| 08:01.08 | enouf | ryan|: a craptop too? |
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| 08:02.11 | cast | is there a better way to split tarballs than using tar and split? |
| 08:02.20 | FuzzyB | tar can split them on it's own |
| 08:02.22 | hax | when building your own debs of packages, how do you ensure that apt-get upgrade wont try to upgrade your version away? |
| 08:02.26 | FuzzyB | or it should be able too |
| 08:02.27 | phorce1 | There appears to be a handful of sites playing with spport. And the 980 has been around while. I have hope |
| 08:02.39 | mne | FuzzyB, it just shows one rpc call. anyway, finally "umount -f" worked ;) those network shares can be pretty nasty ... |
| 08:02.45 | cast | FuzzyB: i was thinking that, but i couldnt find out how to do that with tar f, could do it with tapes etc... though |
| 08:02.51 | FuzzyB | mne that's why i use sshfs |
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| 08:03.05 | phorce1 | OK -- dngit! I'm going /away and heading hme. My ssh link sucks and s dropping letters. |
| 08:03.11 | \amethyst | hax: bump the version number :) |
| 08:03.14 | ryan| | enouf: no. It's a MiniITX motherboard. |
| 08:03.15 | spikeb | heh |
| 08:03.24 | mne | FuzzyB, it's in use here as well ;) besides nfs and smb |
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| 08:03.37 | hax | \amethyst: isnt there like some other way? like a separate 'revision number' or something? |
| 08:03.37 | FuzzyB | between iscsi and sshfs i think i'm set for a bit |
| 08:03.39 | FuzzyB | other than webdav |
| 08:03.48 | FuzzyB | so i guess iscsi webdav and sshfs |
| 08:03.54 | cast | hax: put your version on hold |
| 08:04.00 | enouf | ryan|: oh .. i see .. |
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| 08:04.08 | Callahad | hax: aptitude hold pkgname |
| 08:04.12 | mne | FuzzyB, nice ;) |
| 08:04.20 | hax | oh, i suppose that would do it too |
| 08:04.34 | hax | i know when i build a kernel though, it somehow magically doesnt try to upgrade my version out |
| 08:04.45 | hax | \amethyst: how exactly do you bump the version? |
| 08:04.53 | ryan| | enouf: I'm getting tempted to just drop the whole issue and build a kernel that includes the IDE drivers. |
| 08:04.54 | \amethyst | hax: create a changelog entry |
| 08:05.18 | hax | \amethyst: thats where debian reads the version from!? |
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| 08:05.35 | \amethyst | hax: you're building a package from source, right? |
| 08:05.40 | hax | \amethyst: yeah |
| 08:05.49 | \amethyst | hax: yes |
| 08:05.54 | hax | \amethyst: lol, unexpected |
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| 08:06.03 | FuzzyB | mne when i can do tranparent svn with webdav over SSL, other things start looking very dated very quick |
| 08:06.05 | hax | ty guys :) |
| 08:06.39 | \amethyst | hax: you can bump the epoch if you want to keep the same version numebr |
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| 08:06.56 | Danielss89 | hi |
| 08:07.00 | \amethyst | hax: e.g. 1:2.7.12 |
| 08:07.01 | FuzzyB | elo |
| 08:07.07 | Danielss89 | why cant my apt-get find openssl?? Err http://amd64.debian.net sarge/main openssl 0.9.7e-3sarge1 |
| 08:07.07 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:07.07 | Danielss89 | Failed to fetch http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.7e-3sarge1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found |
| 08:07.16 | mne | FuzzyB, well, i have svn with webdav/SSL here as well ;) but i wouldn't use it for large binary files :P |
| 08:07.30 | SlayerXP | Danielss89: did you run "apt-get update"? |
| 08:07.33 | FuzzyB | yea that's why i have the iscsi stuff |
| 08:08.08 | FuzzyB | Danielss89: http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/pool/main/o/openssl/ go there and check to see what the typo is |
| 08:08.08 | hax | \amethyst: interesting |
| 08:08.08 | Danielss89 | slacker403 yes |
| 08:08.21 | enouf | ryan|: you have the module(s) needed for this --> 00:0a.0 CardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c476 II (rev 82) |
| 08:08.33 | hax | \amethyst: aha, thats what i was half-remembering :) |
| 08:08.39 | \amethyst | hax: that's there in case upstream decides to change their version format in a way that's not monotonic by apt's algorithm |
| 08:08.47 | enouf | and this 00:0a.1 |
| 08:08.47 | Danielss89 | FuzzyB i just typed apt-get install apache2... but it doesnt install it becouse openssl cant be found? |
| 08:08.54 | hax | \amethyst: that epoch number gets change in the changelog too? |
| 08:09.04 | ryan| | enouf: I'm not using the cardbus atm. |
| 08:09.15 | mne | FuzzyB, isn't iscsi extremely expensive ? |
| 08:09.25 | \amethyst | hax: Just add one new changelog entry with "Local version", your name and email, etc |
| 08:09.30 | \amethyst | hax: the format must be precise |
| 08:09.40 | \amethyst | hax: in particular, note the two spaces before the date |
| 08:09.48 | hax | \amethyst: there we go, ty :) |
| 08:10.09 | enouf | ryan|: yeah .. i'm at the via site and it's displaying fugly in my browser .. my bad |
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| 08:10.50 | FuzzyB | mne no you can do it in software for nothin |
| 08:11.08 | FuzzyB | mne: look into iscsi and linux and you'll quickly see how easy it is |
| 08:11.16 | mne | FuzzyB, cool, i didn't know that. maybe i'll give it a try, sounds cool |
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| 08:11.21 | FuzzyB | just remember |
| 08:11.26 | FuzzyB | there's a reason people don't like it |
| 08:11.31 | FuzzyB | and it's because of the tcp overhead |
| 08:11.38 | FuzzyB | that's why you hear about net cards made for iscsi |
| 08:11.42 | FuzzyB | they have tcp offload engines |
| 08:11.54 | FuzzyB | which are useless unless the drivers are in place to use it |
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| 08:12.30 | mystic_jade | Hello |
| 08:12.30 | Danielss89 | FuzzyB when i type apt-get install openssl, it wants to install http://amd64.debian.net sarge/main openssl 0.9.7e-3sarge1, but the right one has 4 in the end, not 1.. how can i change that? |
| 08:12.41 | mne | right ... anyway, all those network storage systems should have a large overhead. just like smb or nfs .. |
| 08:13.03 | FuzzyB | no |
| 08:13.07 | FuzzyB | AoE doesn't have it |
| 08:13.11 | FuzzyB | have the overhead |
| 08:13.14 | FuzzyB | and works very nicely |
| 08:13.25 | mne | FuzzyB, whats AoE ? |
| 08:13.33 | FuzzyB | ata over ethernet |
| 08:13.51 | mne | FuzzyB, hmm ok. |
| 08:14.02 | \amethyst | raw ethernet frames, not IP |
| 08:14.05 | FuzzyB | lower in the osi stack |
| 08:14.24 | dutchfish | Danielss89, you have still Sarge r3 installed? |
| 08:14.26 | FuzzyB | so it doesn't have to be encap'd in the tcp header |
| 08:14.54 | mne | sure. no ip aswell ;) |
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| 08:15.06 | Danielss89 | dutchfish hehe i dont know... its a fresh install from my webhost.. |
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| 08:15.30 | mne | is there also some kinf of access control for AoE and iSCSI ? |
| 08:15.37 | FuzzyB | mne yes so no routing unless your dealing with some special ethernet bridge |
| 08:15.37 | dutchfish | Danielss89, you could go through apt-get update & apt-get upgrade first before installing anything |
| 08:15.49 | Danielss89 | dutchfish ive already done that.. |
| 08:15.56 | FuzzyB | mne: brb |
| 08:16.01 | dutchfish | Danielss89, any packages hold back? |
| 08:16.03 | mne | FuzzyB, ack. |
| 08:16.09 | FuzzyB | i'm at work right now |
| 08:16.12 | FuzzyB | trying to finish this |
| 08:16.18 | Danielss89 | dutchfish dotn think so: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 08:17.10 | dutchfish | Danielss89, then you should be able to install openssl |
| 08:17.44 | Danielss89 | but i get this error:Failed to fetch http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_0.9.7e-3sarge1_amd64.deb 404 Not Found |
| 08:17.57 | FuzzyB | you still haven't done what i said |
| 08:18.15 | Danielss89 | yes FuzzyB.. |
| 08:18.23 | dutchfish | Danielss89, do apt-get clean, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade then apt-get install openssl |
| 08:18.24 | Danielss89 | it needs a 4 in the end instead of the 1... |
| 08:18.50 | FuzzyB | then it sounds like your apt cache is out of date |
| 08:18.51 | FuzzyB | update it |
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| 08:19.19 | \amethyst | mne: looks like iSCSI has an authentication step |
| 08:19.37 | mystic_jade | i'm sorry i'm having a few problems try to load cds and dvds in my debian system ... any cd or dvd are working ... only recent dvds or cds are working |
| 08:19.49 | enouf | ryan|: welp .. http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=22&DSCat=187&DCatType=3 |
| 08:19.51 | Danielss89 | how do i update that FuzzyB.. |
| 08:20.06 | mystic_jade | and form softare ... only |
| 08:20.19 | FuzzyB | apt-cache update |
| 08:20.40 | mne | \amethyst, nice. I guess I will have a look at it. right now i use nfs4 to access my file-server. of course the overhead is pretty large |
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| 08:20.56 | Danielss89 | FuzzyB invalid option |
| 08:21.09 | Danielss89 | dutchfish http://pastebin.ca/391657 |
| 08:21.21 | mystic_jade | is not the first time i make one new instalation and the cds and dvds don work someone have some ideia why?! |
| 08:21.21 | mne | apt-get update |
| 08:21.26 | Danielss89 | FuzzyB: root@danielss89:~# apt-cache update |
| 08:21.26 | Danielss89 | E: Invalid operation update |
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| 08:21.44 | FuzzyB | apt-get update excuse me |
| 08:22.19 | dutchfish | Danielss89, there you go |
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| 08:22.25 | Danielss89 | that dont work either FuzzyB.. |
| 08:22.31 | Danielss89 | dutchfish? |
| 08:22.41 | FuzzyB | then your /etc/apt/sources.list is broken, fix it |
| 08:22.49 | enouf | ryan|: heh http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=22&DSCat=155&DCatType=3 |
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| 08:23.26 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont know why it shortens my name in x-chat but shows all of it in irssi |
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| 08:24.02 | ryan| | enouf: neither of those links are really aplicable. |
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| 08:25.03 | Danielss89_away | FuzzyB it says: deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64 sarge main contrib non-free |
| 08:25.19 | FuzzyB | i don't really care what it says |
| 08:25.31 | FuzzyB | all i'm saying is until YOU fix it, it's not going to work |
| 08:25.36 | Danielss89_away | :P |
| 08:25.37 | ryan| | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5697 < there's the hdparm info |
| 08:25.49 | mne | FuzzyB, hmm, have to leave now. thanks for your information, didn't know that one can do iscsi in software ... |
| 08:25.49 | Danielss89_away | should i add more sources or change it? |
| 08:25.58 | dutchfish | Danielss89_away, hold on a sec looking up something |
| 08:26.00 | FuzzyB | mne: i didn't know either until a few months ago |
| 08:26.06 | FuzzyB | mne: at least be an initatior |
| 08:26.16 | mne | FuzzyB, ;) |
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| 08:26.44 | \amethyst | Hm, wonder if you can tunnel IP-over-SCSI over iSCSI |
| 08:26.56 | FuzzyB | no |
| 08:27.02 | enouf | ryan|: so you are booting from CF? |
| 08:27.03 | FuzzyB | but |
| 08:27.06 | shogunx | ip over fiber channel would be handy |
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| 08:27.16 | FuzzyB | shogunx: that's already there |
| 08:27.28 | shogunx | FuzzyB for what interfaces |
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| 08:27.43 | FuzzyB | \amethyst: how about iscsi over ip-over-scsi? |
| 08:28.01 | \amethyst | yay overhead |
| 08:28.03 | FuzzyB | i'm sure anything recent and qlogic or lsi will work |
| 08:29.10 | shogunx | from experience or speculation FuzzyB? |
| 08:29.47 | FuzzyB | experience |
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| 08:30.13 | FuzzyB | between those and the jni sbus cards that's about 90% of the fiber cards i've used |
| 08:30.18 | Danielss89_away | oki dutchfish |
| 08:31.09 | shogunx | ack. you have implemented IPoFC on those chips then? |
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| 08:31.24 | enouf | ryan|: you said it shows as pio(4)? mode in the BIOS (that's a bios issue that must be updated), and hdparm is showing mdma modes (multi-word).. not good |
| 08:31.37 | dutchfish | Danielss89_away, what does apt-get check gives you btw? |
| 08:31.51 | FuzzyB | shogunx: when i've needed to do ip over fc i've just done it |
| 08:31.57 | FuzzyB | and not really thought to much about it |
| 08:32.30 | FuzzyB | .brb |
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| 08:34.01 | Danielss89_away | nothing dutchfish.. no errors.. something with buliding tree |
| 08:34.13 | enouf | ryan|: http://www.viaarena.com/Guide/Enable%20PIDE%20DMA%20mode%20with%20VIA%20SB%20chips%20ver0.8.gz the info therein seems quite pertitnent |
| 08:34.14 | Lagos | mplayer isn't in the packages list because it's not free? |
| 08:34.32 | enouf | ryan|: AFAICT ;-) |
| 08:35.07 | enouf | !info mplayer etch |
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| 08:35.16 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-12 (etch), Packaged size: 4312 kB, Installed size: 9760 kB |
| 08:35.19 | Lagos | Interesting. Thanks. |
| 08:35.36 | dutchfish | Danielss89_away, just 2 explanations for this: 1. Your source is messed up (change your sources.lst to another trusted source) 2. Your box is hacked (run chkrootkit, rootkithunter etc to find out) |
| 08:35.37 | markybob | it never ceasese to amaze me how ignorant #ubuntu really is |
| 08:36.03 | FuzzyB | it can't be on the same level as #fedora |
| 08:36.10 | mystic_jade | someone knows why i save dvds and cd from linux o make one new instalation and in the next time i can see what i save in the cds dvds ?! |
| 08:36.12 | FuzzyB | those guys floor me |
| 08:36.12 | ryan| | enouf: I will be booting from CF later |
| 08:36.16 | mystic_jade | ussing k3b |
| 08:36.18 | ryan| | enouf: Not currently |
| 08:36.19 | FuzzyB | i'm shocked that some of them can even plug in a network cord |
| 08:36.20 | Danielss89_away | hmm dutchfish it would be weird if its hacked.. it was just installed 10 mins ago |
| 08:36.22 | markybob | FuzzyB, so much worse |
| 08:36.43 | jelly-home | markybob: it shouldn't amaze you, they got lot of publicity, gained a lot of users, so the profile isn't too high |
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| 08:37.08 | dutchfish | Danielss89_away, leaf us with 1 expl. then |
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| 08:37.15 | markybob | all i know is that i took an ambien 20 minutes ago and everything floating |
| 08:37.45 | FuzzyB | except you |
| 08:37.52 | jelly-home | doing drugs, huh |
| 08:38.14 | FuzzyB | i think drugs are bad |
| 08:38.16 | markybob | jelly-home, ambien is doctor-prescribed |
| 08:38.17 | ryan| | enouf: The EPIA MII is an older board, I don't think doing anything extra for DMA is needed |
| 08:38.25 | FuzzyB | but if they are so bad then they wouldn't feel so good |
| 08:38.28 | ryan| | ... |
| 08:38.30 | ryan| | oh. |
| 08:38.33 | ryan| | snap. |
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| 08:38.39 | ryan| | I got an idea |
| 08:38.45 | FuzzyB | suicide? |
| 08:38.51 | ryan| | disable the ide chip module, and just use the generic one. |
| 08:38.57 | jelly-home | markybob: didn't say anything about prescription status ;-) |
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| 08:44.29 | Danielss89_away | dutchfish ive upgraded to etch.. hope that works |
| 08:45.13 | dutchfish | Danielss89_away, ok, etch is quiet stable atm i use it preferably |
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| 08:46.01 | markybob | today....there have been better...i dont think we're ment to make it |
| 08:46.13 | enouf | ryan|: if you were able to ad dma support once booted, hdparm -d1 /dev/blah, then that's a diff story. but because it not only hangs on boot, but also runs in pio mode when fully loaded, it's b0rken .. from the getgo |
| 08:46.23 | enouf | s/ad/add |
| 08:46.25 | dutchfish | Danielss89_away, i would advise you to go for the 2.6.18-4 kernel |
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| 08:47.11 | ryan| | enouf: it does not hang |
| 08:47.18 | ryan| | it attempts to use DMA and fails. |
| 08:47.24 | ryan| | I can use DMA on other devices. |
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| 08:47.59 | ryan| | enouf: the problem is just the card. |
| 08:48.05 | FuzzyB | red neck data recovery! |
| 08:48.12 | enouf | ryan|: you said it hangs on boot earlier! |
| 08:48.40 | niru | which package I need to edit to get a particular application icon on the panel |
| 08:48.45 | kasha | Hi, Tell me please name of pci wi-fi card supported in debian sarge 3.1 with default kernel ? |
| 08:48.53 | niru | example to put terminal icon on panel |
| 08:49.12 | enouf | ryan|: if you KNOW the problem is the card what the fuck are you whining about |
| 08:49.19 | dutchfish | kasha, some do some dont, read hardware list |
| 08:49.25 | arabian | guys |
| 08:49.27 | niru | enouf or anybody any idea |
| 08:49.35 | arabian | how to switch between 2 languages? |
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| 08:49.47 | ryan| | enouf: I want to use the card without DMA without having to wait 5 mins for it to boot. |
| 08:49.49 | arabian | on KDE |
| 08:49.58 | kasha | dutchfish, where i can read Hardware Support list ? |
| 08:50.46 | enouf | ryan|: that's nice .. congrats on that power-thinking plan |
| 08:50.48 | niru | on Gnome arabian |
| 08:50.57 | arabian | no |
| 08:51.00 | arabian | KDE Arabian |
| 08:51.01 | enouf | niru: what? |
| 08:51.17 | arabian | lol |
| 08:51.23 | arabian | srry i mean on KDE |
| 08:51.25 | arabian | :D |
| 08:51.25 | niru | enouf:I want to put an application icon on panel by default |
| 08:51.38 | enouf | arabian: see kcontrol and /msg dpkg locales |
| 08:51.41 | BUMBACL0T | ok, ive been using linux since 04, and i still don't know what those numbers mean when you 'w' |
| 08:51.42 | BUMBACL0T | i mean which one is which, and im talkin about this: load average: 0.93, 0.33, 0.11 |
| 08:51.50 | spikeb | heh |
| 08:51.52 | enouf | niru: right click the [anel |
| 08:51.54 | spikeb | i havent figured that out either |
| 08:51.57 | enouf | niru: right click the panel |
| 08:51.58 | niru | enouf:example termianl icon on the gnome panel |
| 08:52.01 | BUMBACL0T | seriously |
| 08:52.06 | niru | enouf:not after installation |
| 08:52.16 | niru | enouf:I am building installable cd |
| 08:52.17 | enouf | niru: what? |
| 08:52.21 | enouf | wtf? |
| 08:52.31 | niru | enouf:So I need to give that as default for my user |
| 08:52.33 | enouf | uswe windows .. you'll be happier |
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| 08:52.50 | dutchfish | kasha, maybe start here: http://laic.u-clermont1.fr/~mr/linux/configreseau_en.shtml |
| 08:52.52 | enouf | oh ffs |
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| 08:54.53 | cableroy | anyone know if its safe to upgrade postgresql 7.4.7-6sarge3 to 4? some guys at #postgresql told me once when upgrading there was some thing i had to do so i didn't break the db.. |
| 08:55.22 | ma3x | hey! where it says Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT), can it also be Chain FORWARD (policy DENY) ? |
| 08:55.25 | dutchfish | cableroy, why not ask them? |
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| 08:56.46 | cast | BUMBACL0T: if you don't know and wish to then stfw, it's been written about sufficently. |
| 08:57.21 | cableroy | maybe some debian postgresql users had a solution to this, since a lot of people just apt-get upgrade's and if that can break the db its not good... and if i ask them they will likely send me here since its debian update |
| 08:57.33 | kasha | dutchfish, i just need to buy wi-fi hardware supported by linux 2.6 (debian sarge 3.1) - i try to find some card then work properly in this system without dance on it ..... |
| 08:58.35 | niru | which will be a good package for cd burning in gnome |
| 08:58.39 | niru | any idea |
| 08:59.15 | dutchfish | kasha, my best bet would be a card with the PRISM chipset, any modern 1 will do |
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| 09:00.06 | dutchfish | kasha, i myself use the PRISM II cards often in sarge |
| 09:00.30 | Rhizome | i'd got for an atheros chipset, the madwifi drivers are just awesome ;) |
| 09:00.46 | dutchfish | Rhizome, yes |
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| 09:01.12 | Rhizome | dutchfish: How are the drivers for prism? about the only chipset i've never tried |
| 09:01.31 | dutchfish | Rhizome, sarge will detect by default |
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| 09:01.57 | dutchfish | Rhizome, that is if you did a standard laptop install |
| 09:03.16 | Rhizome | ah, well that's no fun ;) |
| 09:03.58 | Rhizome | but it's good to know, if i have to recommend something. |
| 09:04.05 | dutchfish | Rhizome, i had bad exp. with the belkin cards however |
| 09:04.18 | kasha | dutchfish, sorry, where i can find hardware are developed on prism chipsets ? |
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| 09:04.40 | Rhizome | what chipset is that dutchfish ? |
| 09:04.50 | dutchfish | PRSIM II |
| 09:04.57 | dutchfish | PRISM II* |
| 09:05.06 | Rhizome | My worst experience has been with an zd1211 chipset, in monitor mode it spews a ton of crap, kismet thinks it's found hundrets of access points. |
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| 09:05.52 | ryan| | I have a bunch of Prism 2.5 cards |
| 09:05.56 | ryan| | and atheros |
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| 09:06.23 | dutchfish | ryan| your opinion? |
| 09:06.54 | Rhizome | The one i prefere to use is a ralink usb device with an externall antenna connector. |
| 09:07.30 | ryan| | dutchfish: I have both in my laptop |
| 09:07.31 | dutchfish | Rhizome, radius on 811.g? |
| 09:07.46 | ryan| | internal atheros card |
| 09:07.59 | ryan| | plus a SMC EliteConnect with an external antenna., |
| 09:08.14 | Rhizome | dutchfish: no I've never used radius for wireless. |
| 09:08.20 | dutchfish | ryan| what chipset do they have? |
| 09:08.37 | Rhizome | ryan|: nice, whats it called? |
| 09:08.41 | ryan| | the SMC is a prism 2.5 |
| 09:08.58 | ryan| | I think the newer eilteconnect cards are not as good. |
| 09:09.18 | ryan| | I like the Senao/EnGenius high-power cards. |
| 09:09.25 | ryan| | but they don't do 802.11g |
| 09:09.28 | Danielss89_away | if i want to remove a program and the configs for it.. whats the paremeter... apt-get ?? remove package |
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| 09:09.35 | Danielss89_away | purge? |
| 09:09.41 | Rhizome | yea |
| 09:09.43 | ryan| | --purge |
| 09:09.45 | dutchfish | Danielss89_away, apt-get remove --purge xxxxxx |
| 09:10.27 | arabian | how can i update the packages list or the package tree |
| 09:10.29 | arabian | ? |
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| 09:11.25 | dutchfish | arabian, is this a quiz? |
| 09:11.53 | quitte_ | !monday |
| 09:11.54 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 09:11.59 | arabian | what ? |
| 09:12.11 | dutchfish | arabian, man apt-get |
| 09:12.28 | arabian | what quiz |
| 09:12.30 | arabian | huh |
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| 09:25.01 | cast | hmmm, can inetd log? or should i just install xinetd |
| 09:25.27 | dutchfish | cast, you can start it in debug mode if its not a busy machine |
| 09:25.58 | cast | i shall just grab xinetd |
| 09:26.55 | mic_p | I all. I want to know exactly what hardware I have into my pc, and lspci is too "generic". Where I have to see? |
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| 09:27.33 | dutchfish | mic_p, lspci -vvv ....... verbose enough? |
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| 09:28.09 | cast | mic_p: take off the side of the case and look? |
| 09:28.12 | mic_p | dutchfish: yes! That was! :) |
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| 09:36.01 | cast | eh, oh. i can't remove inetd and use xinetd it seems, due to a netbase dep on inetd :\ |
| 09:37.20 | dutchfish | cast, why would you? |
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| 09:37.22 | cast | why would i remove inetd? because xinetd is an inetd replacement...keeping inetd is pointless and just consumes space |
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| 09:38.01 | MadSc13ntist | hello all |
| 09:38.06 | dutchfish | cast, why would you prefer xinetd? |
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| 09:38.27 | cast | dutchfish: seems to have better logging abilities |
| 09:38.39 | dutchfish | cast, not in my opinion |
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| 09:39.20 | kasha | dustybin, prism 2 is hardware developer or chip name ? |
| 09:39.36 | MadSc13ntist | anyone know how to convert avi to mpeg-2? i attempted to use ffmpeg -i file.avi -f mp2video file.mpg |
| 09:39.39 | MadSc13ntist | to no avail |
| 09:39.42 | paddor_ | how can i set default PATH environment variable for the sudo-commando? |
| 09:40.21 | SkippyX | Ok - got an old lappy (dell latitude cpi d300xt, 300 MHz, 96 megs RAM) that I want to use as an internet appliance (via wifi hotspots). All I want to do w/ it is browse the web, do some chat (Xchat & gaim), ftp, bittorrent and transfer the files back to my ubuntu box at home. |
| 09:40.25 | dutchfish | cast, if you insist: http://archiv.debianhowto.de/en/xinetd/c_xinetd.html |
| 09:40.58 | cast | dutchfish: yeah, was reading that. it is 4 years old though |
| 09:41.14 | SkippyX | got sarge installed - but no desktop environments, doesn't even have X. I'd like a light window manager and some specific apps. any idea on how to install X and the components I'll need? |
| 09:41.25 | dutchfish | cast, nobody i know personal would replace inetd |
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| 09:41.45 | MadSc13ntist | @Skippy: i think i may be able to help |
| 09:42.03 | cast | SkippyX: x-window-system-core |
| 09:42.16 | MadSc13ntist | root: apt-get install x-window-system-core xterm |
| 09:42.21 | MadSc13ntist | lol |
| 09:42.24 | MadSc13ntist | beat me to it |
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| 09:42.43 | MadSc13ntist | why not do a net-install of etch |
| 09:42.44 | MadSc13ntist | ? |
| 09:42.44 | dutchfish | cast, but starting it with -d options gives quiet nice logs for debugging |
| 09:42.46 | whadar | is there any kind of installer of etch that i don't have to burn, but simply download, add to grub and boot? |
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| 09:43.08 | MadSc13ntist | without any media at all? |
| 09:43.10 | SkippyX | ty, guys, I appreciate ya! |
| 09:43.18 | cast | dutchfish: seems more work, what if i only want to log a single service? |
| 09:43.24 | MadSc13ntist | no prob good si |
| 09:43.27 | MadSc13ntist | r |
| 09:43.32 | MadSc13ntist | lol |
| 09:43.34 | MadSc13ntist | damn rum |
| 09:43.43 | cast | dutchfish: imho debugging is a work intensive replacement for real logging support |
| 09:43.54 | dutchfish | cast, just config the logging of the single service |
| 09:43.56 | MadSc13ntist | i second that |
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| 09:44.15 | cast | dutchfish: oh, how do i do that? |
| 09:44.24 | dutchfish | cast, depends on what service |
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| 09:44.29 | MadSc13ntist | true |
| 09:44.40 | cast | doh. |
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| 09:45.20 | MadSc13ntist | any floridians here? |
| 09:45.30 | dutchfish | cast, can you be more spesific what you are trying to achive? |
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| 09:47.08 | cast | dutchfish: log when, from what client ip, and for how long, svnserve ran |
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| 09:47.13 | dutchfish | cast, maybe syslogng is a solution or reconfig syslog? |
| 09:47.22 | MadSc13ntist | anyone know the ffmpeg line for converting avi to mpeg-2? |
| 09:47.32 | paddor_ | how can i set a system wide default PATH environment variable for the sudo-commando? i dont want to start a bash and set it manually. |
| 09:47.35 | MadSc13ntist | I'm not great with video conversion but i am learning |
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| 09:48.21 | dutchfish | cast, mm.. you need some kind of connection logging |
| 09:48.25 | cast | MadSc13ntist: nope, can do it with mencoder though |
| 09:48.30 | paddor_ | MadSc13ntist: i think, mencoder could do this. btw: avi is a container format. important is the codec used inside it. |
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| 09:49.27 | cast | dutchfish: kinda like xinetd *coughs* |
| 09:49.32 | MadSc13ntist | ah |
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| 09:49.45 | MadSc13ntist | sounds like mencoder is my horse then |
| 09:49.50 | MadSc13ntist | reading... |
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| 09:50.29 | WinniePooh | hey, how to make to resolve this error message on "apt-get update"? W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.ro.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ro.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 09:50.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html#menc-feat-vcd-dvd-all |
| 09:50.38 | quitte_ | how can i find broken symlinks in all subdirectories? |
| 09:50.46 | dutchfish | cast, maybe this: http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2005/10/15/logging-connections-to-inetd-services/ |
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| 09:51.15 | MadSc13ntist | @Winie: bina? not binary? |
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| 09:51.54 | cast | MadSc13ntist: mencoder -oac copy -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vbitrate=8000 -o out.avi in.avi or something... |
| 09:52.07 | WinniePooh | MadSc13ntist, i presume XChat didn't show the whole line: it's binary |
| 09:52.20 | WinniePooh | /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ro.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 09:52.23 | MadSc13ntist | ah |
| 09:52.29 | jetscreamer | WinniePooh: http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian |
| 09:52.32 | MadSc13ntist | using the java client via iceweasel |
| 09:52.35 | MadSc13ntist | (my bad) |
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| 09:53.09 | MadSc13ntist | thnx cast |
| 09:53.16 | MadSc13ntist | you are a useful mammal. ;-) |
| 09:54.52 | WinniePooh | jetscreamer, yes, there is no Packages directory on that path, but what to do solve the error? it seems Apt simply tries to find that directory which does not exist ... |
| 09:54.53 | streuner | "mammal"? |
| 09:55.27 | WinniePooh | should I add some other repository? |
| 09:55.31 | MadSc13ntist | @Winnie: have you browsed to ftp://ftp.ro.debian.org ??? |
| 09:55.36 | MadSc13ntist | to verify the path |
| 09:55.38 | MadSc13ntist | ? |
| 09:55.40 | Guerin | WinniePooh: aptitude update |
| 09:55.51 | Guerin | WinniePooh: otherwise change mirrors |
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| 09:56.17 | WinniePooh | Guerin, yes it worked, thanks |
| 09:56.51 | MadSc13ntist | w00t |
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| 09:57.32 | MadSc13ntist | anyone here on the eastern sea board (USA)? |
| 09:57.37 | streuner | Guerin: How is life today? |
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| 09:59.27 | Guerin | streuner: live is good. It's my birthday in 60.5 minutes |
| 09:59.48 | streuner | oh |
| 09:59.56 | Guerin | streuner: i smoked a huge eel today, also |
| 09:59.57 | jetscreamer | happy fucking birthday dude |
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| 10:00.01 | Guerin | did you see pix? |
| 10:00.08 | streuner | jetscreamer: not now |
| 10:00.12 | Guerin | jetscreamer: fucking thanks mate |
| 10:00.17 | jetscreamer | how old |
| 10:00.40 | Guerin | 29 |
| 10:00.42 | jetscreamer | seriously, happy birthday' |
| 10:00.54 | Guerin | oh, i know you were being serious |
| 10:01.02 | Guerin | when someone says `fucking' they normally are |
| 10:01.09 | streuner | haha |
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| 10:02.03 | Guerin | feayn.org/~lewis/eelandcats.jpg # FTW |
| 10:02.31 | MadSc13ntis1 | hello |
| 10:02.38 | Guerin | streuner: i'll be asleep by then, up at 05stupid00 |
| 10:03.02 | jetscreamer | i hope you like eel |
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| 10:03.08 | Guerin | sure do |
| 10:03.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | nice cats |
| 10:03.29 | Guerin | it's damn good eats |
| 10:03.58 | Guerin | anyway, verbedtimes |
| 10:04.07 | Guerin | seeyas |
| 10:04.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | i saw on Iron Chef that fried eel can be good on vanilla iced-cream |
| 10:04.36 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 10:04.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | quite versatile really |
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| 10:06.03 | RvGaTe | Good morning freenode.. :P |
| 10:06.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | hello RvGate |
| 10:06.15 | MadSc13ntis1 | how are you? |
| 10:06.16 | dpkg | MadSc13ntis1: pretty good. how about you? |
| 10:06.23 | MadSc13ntis1 | doing well |
| 10:06.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | a little early for my taste but i can't get away from my comp |
| 10:06.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | \lol |
| 10:06.39 | streuner | Registrant Street1:Fishroad <-- that makes sense :-) |
| 10:07.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | 6:05 am here and all i can do is think about scripting langs and packages that i havent' installed yet |
| 10:07.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:07.26 | MadSc13ntis1 | it's getting bad |
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| 10:08.05 | MadSc13ntis1 | @dpkg: what brings you here this time of day? |
| 10:08.11 | Rydekull | !tell MadSc13ntis1 about bot |
| 10:08.15 | luch | all:! |
| 10:08.18 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:08.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | heard you loud and clear |
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| 10:08.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | i have been playing with shopping carts and a few good firefox extensions to pass the time |
| 10:09.11 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:09.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | that bad eh? |
| 10:09.33 | juice` | is there any fs out there that supports compression-on-the-fly ? |
| 10:10.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | i will admit for all that i am under the influence |
| 10:10.16 | juice` | ither than fat and ntfs :) |
| 10:10.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | (for what that is worth) |
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| 10:10.18 | juice` | is there any fs out there that supports compression-on-the-fly ? and is in kernel tree... |
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| 10:11.21 | cast | there's FUSE |
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| 10:12.20 | juice` | hmm |
| 10:12.29 | juice` | there is, but what do i need it for? |
| 10:12.35 | holycow | oh hallelujah |
| 10:12.38 | holycow | how i love linux |
| 10:12.42 | holycow | *sniff* |
| 10:12.50 | factor | it seems that X or Kde does not like kernels aboe 2.6.14, I cannot get a kernel to work above that. |
| 10:12.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | ditto |
| 10:12.56 | holycow | now where is that damned croatian that helped me tebuild my partition table ? |
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| 10:13.08 | sgnut | is there a way to tell an expression like "for f in `cat file`" that for must consider an entire line (discard the spaces in every line of the file)? |
| 10:13.11 | jelly-home | holycow: hi |
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| 10:13.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | @jelly: hi |
| 10:13.23 | factor | I can boot my 2.6.20 kernel just fine as long as I dont start x windows. |
| 10:13.26 | holycow | jelly-home, dude msg ... one sec lemme auth |
| 10:13.32 | factor | why would that be? |
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| 10:14.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | running 2.6.18 with gnome running flawlessly |
| 10:14.09 | MadSc13ntis1 | good enough for me |
| 10:14.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | (for now) |
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| 10:14.49 | MadSc13ntis1 | 2.6.20 pretty bleeding edge isn't it? |
| 10:14.51 | factor | did you upgrade or do fresh install from a pre 2.6.15 kernel |
| 10:15.05 | factor | does it on all the kernels above 2.6.14 |
| 10:15.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | i did a net-install from a daily build of etch |
| 10:15.12 | MadSc13ntis1 | runs like a charm |
| 10:15.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | ;-) |
| 10:15.16 | factor | right |
| 10:15.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | want a good link? |
| 10:15.22 | factor | I am upgrading an older one |
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| 10:15.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | doing it manually or via an update manager |
| 10:15.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | ? |
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| 10:16.01 | factor | I have all the lates packages. |
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| 10:16.29 | factor | but I have to have my option in the kernel for mu tv cards. |
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| 10:16.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | @factor: apt-get update |
| 10:16.41 | MadSc13ntis1 | .. |
| 10:16.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | one sec |
| 10:16.45 | factor | yup |
| 10:17.21 | factor | I know I need udev for kernels above 2.6.14 but that should be it |
| 10:17.24 | MadSc13ntis1 | what kernel are you using now? |
| 10:17.29 | MadSc13ntis1 | 2.6.x? |
| 10:17.39 | factor | udev does not work for kernel under 2.6.15 it breaks all sorts of stuff |
| 10:17.52 | factor | 2.6.14.4 the highest one I get to work |
| 10:17.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 10:18.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | reboot |
| 10:18.33 | factor | I have an emt64 borad |
| 10:18.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | when did you do your base install? sarge/etch/sid? |
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| 10:18.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | 64 eh? |
| 10:18.43 | factor | debian prebuilt kernels dont like it |
| 10:18.50 | factor | only 32 bit though |
| 10:18.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | hmmm |
| 10:18.55 | factor | dont know what eh 64 is all about |
| 10:18.56 | FuzzyB | try turning acpi off |
| 10:19.02 | MadSc13ntis1 | you're right that IS a horse of a different color |
| 10:19.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | hmmm.. |
| 10:19.15 | FuzzyB | emt64 runs deb64 just fine |
| 10:19.24 | FuzzyB | i've had it running on my desktop for quite a while |
| 10:19.24 | factor | so it is 64? |
| 10:19.29 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 10:19.32 | factor | dho |
| 10:19.35 | FuzzyB | x86-64 aka EMT64 |
| 10:19.39 | FuzzyB | i believe |
| 10:19.41 | Rydekull | factor: its only 32 since you're running 32 bits os on it |
| 10:19.44 | factor | ok |
| 10:19.45 | FuzzyB | i'm very tired right now so i might be wrong |
| 10:19.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | i have to admit to you that i am drunk to the point that reading and typing amazes me |
| 10:19.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | but |
| 10:19.55 | factor | right it says something about emulation maybe |
| 10:20.05 | factor | I would love to get a 64 bit x on it |
| 10:20.10 | FuzzyB | gimmie a sec |
| 10:20.13 | FuzzyB | le me fire off google |
| 10:20.16 | factor | does debian have a 64 bit xorg |
| 10:20.19 | factor | k |
| 10:20.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | I have had a barage of 64-bit compat probs weven with the amd-64 builds |
| 10:20.21 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 10:20.24 | FuzzyB | it's not X |
| 10:20.26 | FuzzyB | it was flash i needed |
| 10:20.36 | factor | flash? |
| 10:20.41 | FuzzyB | macromedia |
| 10:20.45 | xand | :o |
| 10:20.45 | factor | eww |
| 10:20.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | to say nothing of the fact that i was shocked at the limited number of packages that offered compat with amd64 |
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| 10:20.59 | Zao | I just have a 32-bit chroot for things like iceweasel and flash. |
| 10:21.03 | cast | amd64 port works flawlessly for me :) [as a desktop] |
| 10:21.17 | Rydekull | !tell factor about emt64 |
| 10:21.23 | SkippyX | OK - trying to set up X on the aforementioned dell laptop. displays. "Simple" isn't an option (LCD). medium sounds good - but I don't know the refresh rate of the TFT panel on the lappy |
| 10:21.49 | cast | flash being closed source isn't a amd64 port issue, that's a use-nonfree-software-and-thats-what-you-get issue :) |
| 10:21.49 | MadSc13ntis1 | it's true that for the most part i was able to get a majority of packages that i was pleased with but i still had issues here and there that required special attention |
| 10:21.57 | SkippyX | Dell tech support site says "1024 X 768 resolution" - and doesn't give a refresh rate. |
| 10:21.57 | factor | cool thanks all |
| 10:22.00 | SkippyX | any suggestions? |
| 10:22.23 | Zao | SkippyX: I just let the EDID sort those kind of things out. |
| 10:22.31 | SkippyX | EDID? |
| 10:22.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | 60 or 75 |
| 10:22.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | leaning on 75 if i had to guess blindly |
| 10:22.54 | Zao | Any sane cards are capable of querying sane monitors for their specs automagically. |
| 10:22.55 | SkippyX | ty MadSc13ntis1. |
| 10:23.02 | Zao | s/any/most/ |
| 10:23.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | np. ;-) |
| 10:23.28 | SkippyX | Zao, this is a very, very old lappy. 300 MHz pII, 96 meg ram....a hoary, dusty, old thing. |
| 10:23.39 | SkippyX | OK - I'll go w/ 75. |
| 10:23.44 | MadSc13ntis1 | cool |
| 10:23.55 | MadSc13ntis1 | i have installed deb sarge/etch on a number of lappys |
| 10:24.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | and i have to say that 75 is almost always your horse. ;-) |
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| 10:25.49 | factor | well you would think xwindows is copat with x |
| 10:25.56 | factor | or kde maybe. |
| 10:26.12 | factor | sorry compat with emt64 |
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| 10:26.23 | MadSc13ntis1 | true |
| 10:26.31 | MadSc13ntis1 | :: shrug :: |
| 10:26.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | alright.. googling.. |
| 10:27.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | what is happening? |
| 10:27.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | black screening? |
| 10:27.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | no screen detected? |
| 10:27.57 | factor | everything works well under 2.6.14.4 under 2.6.20-2 just goes to a black screen |
| 10:28.16 | factor | I can alt f2 to get to a messed up text window to reboot |
| 10:28.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | ah! |
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| 10:29.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | it may not be an answer but it may lead you int he right direction |
| 10:29.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | open your xorg.conf |
| 10:29.51 | factor | right. |
| 10:30.00 | MadSc13ntis1 | and make sure that you are pointing to the right display |
| 10:30.02 | factor | says something aobut not getting mouse access |
| 10:30.11 | factor | I tried ps2 and usb but still nothing |
| 10:30.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | try this |
| 10:31.27 | MadSc13ntis1 | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 10:31.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | and reboot that bad boy |
| 10:31.38 | MadSc13ntis1 | ;-) |
| 10:31.43 | factor | humm k |
| 10:33.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | i was having similar probs regarding a keyboard i was using when i installed amd64 |
| 10:33.26 | MadSc13ntis1 | that is how i got past it |
| 10:33.32 | SkippyX | Ok - x is installed. What now? I guess I'll need a window manager. any suggestions? |
| 10:33.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | gnome |
| 10:33.42 | factor | ok brb and see |
| 10:34.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | enlightenment is sweet but requires a bit or booking before you use it for the first time |
| 10:34.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | kde seems too windows ot me |
| 10:34.30 | SkippyX | gnome on that slow a a machine? |
| 10:34.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | but gnome seems like a happy medium |
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| 10:34.39 | SkippyX | 300 MHz, 96 meg... |
| 10:34.47 | dimir | !nickometer MadSc13ntis1 |
| 10:34.48 | dpkg | 'MadSc13ntis1' is 56.000% lame, dimir |
| 10:34.50 | dimir | \o/ |
| 10:34.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | if you have gdm installed you can always switch sessions if you change your mind. ;-) |
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| 10:35.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | fuck |
| 10:35.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | wow |
| 10:35.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | missed that |
| 10:35.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:35.28 | MadSc13ntis1 | rum has ruined me again! |
| 10:35.29 | MadSc13ntis1 | lo |
| 10:35.40 | SkippyX | OK - True. apt-get install gnome...and then apt-get install gdm? |
| 10:35.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | wait one sec |
| 10:36.20 | saintiss | SkippyX, try installing xfce4 and fluxbox, both are lightweight and you might like one |
| 10:36.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | (xfce4 would be best) |
| 10:36.40 | SkippyX | saintiss, Is xfce4 in the debian main repos? |
| 10:37.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | which repos are you using? |
| 10:37.27 | saintiss | SkippyX, it is definitely in the debian repos |
| 10:37.34 | FuzzyB | i'm sure blackbox is in the list too |
| 10:37.37 | FuzzyB | and windowmaker |
| 10:37.47 | SkippyX | Ok - so apt-get install xfce. also gdm? |
| 10:37.57 | SkippyX | xfce4 I mean. |
| 10:37.57 | saintiss | no, install xfce4 |
| 10:38.00 | saintiss | that's the package name |
| 10:38.01 | saintiss | indeed :) |
| 10:38.05 | saintiss | gdm is useful |
| 10:38.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | just install xfce4 |
| 10:38.13 | FuzzyB | very |
| 10:38.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | ditto |
| 10:38.18 | FuzzyB | gdm is easy to theme yourself too |
| 10:38.21 | SkippyX | OK - kewl. |
| 10:38.23 | SkippyX | bbiab |
| 10:38.24 | MadSc13ntis1 | pardon my intoxicatedness |
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| 10:38.33 | MadSc13ntis1 | i dont' want to steer you wrong |
| 10:38.36 | FuzzyB | find a theme you kinda like |
| 10:38.45 | FuzzyB | and then just play with the xml ( after you make a copy of course ) |
| 10:38.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | yeah |
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| 10:38.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | love the gnome |
| 10:38.53 | FuzzyB | no |
| 10:38.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:38.57 | FuzzyB | just love gtk and gdm |
| 10:39.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | cool |
| 10:39.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | gotta love gtk |
| 10:40.11 | FuzzyB | I wonder how many cycles it takes to find a smb.conf file in a tape library |
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| 10:40.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:40.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | damn |
| 10:40.34 | FuzzyB | "Expored Directories 24617" |
| 10:40.36 | FuzzyB | and climbing |
| 10:40.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | jezis |
| 10:40.48 | FuzzyB | and that's just one host |
| 10:40.49 | FuzzyB | heh |
| 10:40.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | my god |
| 10:40.54 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:41.16 | FuzzyB | the old samba server took a nose dive with all the company data on it |
| 10:41.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | ... |
| 10:41.28 | MadSc13ntis1 | oh my.... |
| 10:41.36 | FuzzyB | guess who was on call when it happened |
| 10:41.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | that sucks exponentially |
| 10:41.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
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| 10:41.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | i haven't the words |
| 10:41.48 | FuzzyB | oh i do |
| 10:41.52 | FuzzyB | and so does my boss |
| 10:41.53 | FuzzyB | and his boss |
| 10:42.03 | FuzzyB | and i'm sure i'm going to hear something from the cfo and the ceo |
| 10:42.08 | FuzzyB | but at least it's not my fault |
| 10:42.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | ... tape library huh? specs? |
| 10:42.45 | FuzzyB | qualstar 4421i |
| 10:42.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | i hear you |
| 10:42.47 | FuzzyB | this one is |
| 10:42.56 | FuzzyB | ihave got a 4480 across the street |
| 10:43.00 | FuzzyB | and another 4422 |
| 10:43.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | define "nose-dive"? physical damage? |
| 10:43.26 | MadSc13ntis1 | unshielded sub-wwofer and DMX? |
| 10:43.27 | FuzzyB | two drives in an old raid 5 died |
| 10:43.33 | MadSc13ntis1 | shit |
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| 10:43.36 | FuzzyB | the tape library was locked up |
| 10:43.40 | FuzzyB | and nothing red flagged |
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| 10:43.44 | FuzzyB | for the last month |
| 10:43.45 | zoph | salut les pds |
| 10:43.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | nothing? |
| 10:43.48 | zoph | :D |
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| 10:43.54 | FuzzyB | feb 02/07 is the last backup |
| 10:43.55 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:44.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | i will have another shot for you brother |
| 10:44.05 | FuzzyB | ok so here's the punch line |
| 10:44.07 | MadSc13ntis1 | ;-) |
| 10:44.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | drum roll |
| 10:44.17 | FuzzyB | oh i was drinking before i came in |
| 10:44.20 | FuzzyB | anyways |
| 10:44.21 | FuzzyB | so |
| 10:44.34 | FuzzyB | all of accounting's files were on that array |
| 10:44.41 | MadSc13ntis1 | ouch |
| 10:44.43 | FuzzyB | accounting has an audit that starts tommarow morning |
| 10:44.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | OUCH! |
| 10:44.52 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 10:45.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | internal/federal? |
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| 10:45.07 | FuzzyB | external |
| 10:45.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | irs? |
| 10:45.11 | FuzzyB | and not federal |
| 10:45.14 | FuzzyB | naw |
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| 10:45.24 | FuzzyB | they explained it to me |
| 10:45.33 | FuzzyB | that they were some external group comming to verify we were doing our stuff right |
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| 10:45.52 | D-Fender | hello, i live in israel and have family in the US, so i like to keep 2 clocks on my panel. one showing the Jerusalem time zone, the other showing the New York time zone. the problem is that with the clock change in america, i need the new york one to be 6 hours behind rather than the 7 that it currently is. is there a way to configure a specific time zone to tell it that it is now a different offset? |
| 10:46.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | and you incured hardware error that was not forseeable or necissarily preventable given your circumstances |
| 10:46.10 | SkippyX | Hmm. apparently I erred when I configured x |
| 10:46.18 | FuzzyB | D-Fender: change the time zone to CST |
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| 10:46.41 | FuzzyB | MadSc13ntis1: well it was, because whoever turned that machine back on should have saw that it had a failed drive |
| 10:46.45 | FuzzyB | and to do something about it |
| 10:46.50 | D-Fender | FuzzyB, if i do that, the clock will no longer say "New York" underneath |
| 10:46.53 | SkippyX | (EE xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 10:46.56 | SkippyX | No such device. |
| 10:46.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | true |
| 10:47.01 | FuzzyB | D-Fender: you want the right time or the right label? |
| 10:47.07 | D-Fender | both |
| 10:47.09 | SkippyX | no core pointer. |
| 10:47.10 | FuzzyB | too bad |
| 10:47.21 | SkippyX | fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices... |
| 10:47.34 | FuzzyB | SkippyX: you playing with udev? |
| 10:47.34 | SkippyX | how do I reconfigure X so that it "sees" the trackpad on the lappy? |
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| 10:47.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | @Skippy: check the device drivers in xorg.conf... |
| 10:47.55 | FuzzyB | SkippyX: try /dev/psaux see if that is there, check dmesg see what it init'd as |
| 10:47.55 | MadSc13ntis1 | Dell lappy? |
| 10:48.02 | DocPlatypus | D-Fender: do you have current time zone information installed? |
| 10:48.20 | D-Fender | FuzzyB, you're telling me that a bunch of programmers couldn't figure out how to do time zaones correctly? |
| 10:48.21 | SkippyX | MadSc13ntis1, Yes. |
| 10:48.24 | DocPlatypus | that's probably your issue, as your system may think daylight savings time in the US doesn't start until April |
| 10:48.35 | D-Fender | DocPlatypus, what do you mean? |
| 10:48.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | try /dev/psaux |
| 10:48.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | not a bad idea |
| 10:48.54 | FuzzyB | no i'm saying a bunch of burrcrat assholes pushed this crap on everyone and almost the whole industry turned a blind eye to it |
| 10:48.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | quite common |
| 10:49.02 | DocPlatypus | D-Fender: is your time zone information up to date? |
| 10:49.19 | D-Fender | how do i bring it up to date? |
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| 10:49.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | At one point I was the CTO of a LARGE credit conoslidation company |
| 10:49.42 | DocPlatypus | D-Fender: run aptitude and upgrade it |
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| 10:49.52 | yos87 | Hi |
| 10:49.52 | MadSc13ntis1 | adn i walked away, because i was forcasting a BIG fall |
| 10:49.52 | FuzzyB | i was an mis director @ 17 |
| 10:49.59 | SkippyX | -bash: /dev/psaux: Permission denied |
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| 10:50.02 | FuzzyB | and then fucked it up by the time i was 18 |
| 10:50.15 | DocPlatypus | holy cow FuzzyB |
| 10:50.15 | MadSc13ntis1 | happens |
| 10:50.24 | FuzzyB | i was young and in over my head |
| 10:50.27 | FuzzyB | in a world of NT |
| 10:50.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | Fuzzy: how old are you? |
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| 10:50.34 | FuzzyB | 25 |
| 10:50.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
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| 10:50.37 | D-Fender | upgrade which package? |
| 10:50.38 | FuzzyB | i'll be 26 in a few weeks |
| 10:50.38 | MadSc13ntis1 | ditto |
| 10:50.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | August 12 1982 |
| 10:50.45 | SkippyX | FuzzyB, I dunno if I'm playing w/ udev or not.....I'm trying to install debian on an old old old lappy |
| 10:50.46 | DocPlatypus | D-Fender: tzdata |
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| 10:50.55 | FuzzyB | i was born the same day regan was shot |
| 10:51.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | ah |
| 10:51.02 | MadSc13ntis1 | 10-4 |
| 10:51.03 | DocPlatypus | D-Fender: you should have 2007b-1 |
| 10:51.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | hmmm |
| 10:51.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | at this stage i would start examining plausible deniability |
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| 10:51.46 | FuzzyB | oh i'm ok |
| 10:51.48 | D-Fender | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 10:51.57 | MadSc13ntis1 | while you are waiting on progress bars to fill (so to speak) |
| 10:51.57 | SkippyX | OK - how do I check the xorg.conf file? I don't have any gui apps - and I don't know how to do it from the CLI |
| 10:52.09 | FuzzyB | that's basically what i'm waiting on |
| 10:52.11 | DocPlatypus | #$&*@ ... can someone else help D-Fender? I need to go to bed |
| 10:52.13 | SkippyX | (huh. I always called them "lie bars") |
| 10:52.16 | FuzzyB | ait drives to do their thing |
| 10:52.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | Skippy: do you have nano installed |
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| 10:52.36 | FuzzyB | nano is the devil |
| 10:52.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | apt-get install nano |
| 10:52.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | then |
| 10:52.47 | SkippyX | MadSc13ntis1, I have it. |
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| 10:52.55 | MadSc13ntis1 | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:53.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | check out the "InputDevice" section |
| 10:53.48 | SkippyX | ok - nano is up. file is /etc/X11/xorg.conf - nothing showing. |
| 10:53.58 | FuzzyB | if that's the case |
| 10:53.59 | MadSc13ntis1 | kk |
| 10:54.02 | FuzzyB | and it's not a permissions thing |
| 10:54.06 | FuzzyB | you've got problems lucy |
| 10:54.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | there should be a file there |
| 10:54.17 | FuzzyB | make sure your root |
| 10:54.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | hit ctrl-X and don't save |
| 10:54.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | then cd to /etc/X11 |
| 10:54.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | and see if there are ANY conf files there or if the dir is empty |
| 10:55.06 | FuzzyB | first off |
| 10:55.07 | MadSc13ntis1 | wow i am loaded |
| 10:55.09 | FuzzyB | make sure your root |
| 10:55.09 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:55.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | doing okay so far though |
| 10:55.15 | MadSc13ntis1 | (i think)) |
| 10:55.25 | FuzzyB | i was drunk last night |
| 10:55.26 | MadSc13ntis1 | yes! |
| 10:55.31 | FuzzyB | i'm glad nothing broke last night |
| 10:55.41 | MadSc13ntis1 | and i hagve the feeling that you will be tonight as well |
| 10:55.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | ;-) |
| 10:55.46 | FuzzyB | maybe |
| 10:55.50 | SkippyX | OK - I'm there - as root - did "ls" - no xorg.conf. |
| 10:55.52 | FuzzyB | i think my boss is going to give me the day off |
| 10:56.00 | FuzzyB | SkippyX: type whoami |
| 10:56.01 | SkippyX | XF86Config-4 |
| 10:56.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | @Skippy: cd /etc/X11 |
| 10:56.07 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 10:56.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | thar she blows |
| 10:56.22 | FuzzyB | SkippyX: |
| 10:56.22 | MadSc13ntis1 | nano that puppy |
| 10:56.27 | FuzzyB | no |
| 10:56.29 | FuzzyB | that's the wrong file |
| 10:56.34 | FuzzyB | cd /etc/X11 |
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| 10:56.37 | FuzzyB | ls *.conf |
| 10:57.04 | FuzzyB | there should be another file |
| 10:57.17 | SkippyX | ls *.conf returns "ls: *.conf: No such file or directory |
| 10:57.26 | FuzzyB | well maybe i am wrong |
| 10:57.28 | Coke | I'm trying to print an EPS file, but it's set to only use 1/4 A4 paper, is there any EPS printer/viewer tool that would allow me to make it stretch to fit the page? |
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| 10:57.33 | SkippyX | I'm in /etc/X11 as root. |
| 10:57.34 | FuzzyB | run nano on that bastage |
| 10:57.42 | FuzzyB | but i would suggest moving to x.org |
| 10:57.44 | MadSc13ntis1 | here here! |
| 10:57.59 | MadSc13ntis1 | what does ls show you in that dir? |
| 10:58.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | any .conf? |
| 10:58.23 | FuzzyB | MadSc13ntis1: he's xfree86, play with those rules |
| 10:58.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | ah |
| 10:58.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | 10-4 |
| 10:58.34 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:58.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | it's all so clear now |
| 10:58.42 | SkippyX | cursors, fonts, rgb.txt, rstart, X, XF86Config-4, xfce4 xinit, xkb, Xresources, xserver, Xsession, Xsession.d |
| 10:58.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 10:58.47 | SkippyX | Xsession.options |
| 10:58.50 | SkippyX | xsm |
| 10:58.52 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 10:58.53 | SkippyX | Xwrapper.config |
| 10:58.57 | FuzzyB | nano XF86Config-4 |
| 10:59.00 | D-Fender | yay! it worked! |
| 10:59.03 | MadSc13ntis1 | that's it |
| 10:59.06 | SkippyX | Ok. |
| 10:59.07 | FuzzyB | or you can do |
| 10:59.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | for xfree86 |
| 10:59.10 | FuzzyB | xf86config |
| 10:59.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | remember |
| 10:59.19 | FuzzyB | and run through the menu system |
| 10:59.22 | MadSc13ntis1 | InputDevices |
| 10:59.26 | FuzzyB | and it will write a config for ya |
| 10:59.27 | D-Fender | thanks for the help guys |
| 10:59.28 | SkippyX | OK - I'm in. |
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| 11:00.31 | MadSc13ntis1 | /dev/psaux |
| 11:01.02 | MadSc13ntis1 | instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 11:01.17 | SkippyX | section "inputDevice" Identifier "Configured Mouse" Driver "mouse", optoin "corePointer" Option "device" "/dev/input/mice" "protocol" "ImPS/" |
| 11:01.24 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 11:01.29 | FuzzyB | goto the line |
| 11:01.37 | FuzzyB | Option "device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 11:01.42 | FuzzyB | change to |
| 11:01.49 | FuzzyB | Option "device" "/dev/psaux" |
| 11:01.51 | SkippyX | OK. |
| 11:01.54 | FuzzyB | save it and try that |
| 11:01.56 | FuzzyB | if that doesn't work |
| 11:02.01 | FuzzyB | consolt dmesg |
| 11:02.02 | FuzzyB | lsusb |
| 11:02.04 | FuzzyB | lspci |
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| 11:02.45 | rpc | is there a way to force umounting a partition when it says its busy? or check what process is using it? imho there is none and i still can't umount |
| 11:02.56 | SkippyX | protocol should remain ImPS/2? |
| 11:03.09 | FuzzyB | it should be ok |
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| 11:03.16 | FuzzyB | if your cursor acts up |
| 11:03.17 | SkippyX | OK. Save and "startx" |
| 11:03.19 | FuzzyB | change that to ps/2 |
| 11:03.33 | FuzzyB | rpc lsof |
| 11:03.54 | rpc | FuzzyB oh thank you, checking that one |
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| 11:04.14 | FuzzyB | use that to find the pid of your blocker then kill the process blocking |
| 11:04.17 | FuzzyB | then you should be good |
| 11:04.27 | rpc | damn this is an amasing trick, thank you very much |
| 11:04.32 | FuzzyB | np |
| 11:05.07 | FuzzyB | haha |
| 11:05.07 | SkippyX | OK - xfce4 started up.....curser is a problem - I'll re-edit the file to say ps/2 |
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| 11:05.19 | SkippyX | Out standing!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:05.20 | FuzzyB | SkippyX: yep |
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| 11:05.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | indeed |
| 11:06.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | a shot for the victory! |
| 11:06.11 | FuzzyB | fuck ya |
| 11:06.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | hazaa! |
| 11:06.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | turning the music up! fuck the neighbors! |
| 11:06.28 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:06.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | yeah! |
| 11:06.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | FUCKING YEAH! |
| 11:06.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | cocoa! |
| 11:06.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | mmm |
| 11:06.42 | rpc | FuzzyB hmm... i was sure it would work but it still didn't :) now i verified that no process is using that partition anymore and it still says busy... wtf? :) |
| 11:06.59 | FuzzyB | rpc: did all your processes die out correctly? |
| 11:07.04 | rpc | FuzzyB i removed 4 processes so far and the list is empty after grep |
| 11:07.22 | FuzzyB | rpc: check your shells, make sure they aren't in that director |
| 11:07.25 | FuzzyB | directory |
| 11:07.28 | rpc | hm they are still running to be honest but not using that partition anymore |
| 11:07.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | hmm |
| 11:07.41 | FuzzyB | they are probally still blocking |
| 11:07.50 | rpc | and lsof | grep partition_name_here says empty list |
| 11:08.13 | FuzzyB | try to shink your grep string |
| 11:08.17 | FuzzyB | or page though it |
| 11:08.22 | FuzzyB | you might find something you didn't expect |
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| 11:08.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | just make it less verbose |
| 11:08.43 | rpc | i remember this umount problem from 1998 or something.. it was always a problem |
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| 11:09.41 | MadSc13ntis1 | and break out a fine tooth comb |
| 11:09.42 | *** part/#debian Coke (n=peter@h175n2fls32o880.telia.com) |
| 11:10.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | or dump the results into a txt file and check that out |
| 11:10.34 | rpc | hmm... in fact... some stupid process is trying to stick to that partition again |
| 11:10.37 | rpc | even if it shouldn't at all |
| 11:10.43 | rpc | it just popped up |
| 11:10.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | got a pid? |
| 11:10.54 | rpc | yes but i can't kill it... it's needed |
| 11:11.00 | MadSc13ntis1 | er |
| 11:11.01 | SkippyX | OK - that got it!!!1 xfce is up & running - the mouse is acting appropriately - time to d/l some apps (synaptic being the first of them) and some window managers..... |
| 11:11.07 | SkippyX | thank you again, guys!!!!! |
| 11:11.17 | rpc | but it's a dummy mount... it really isn't making any use of it |
| 11:11.22 | rpc | no way to force umount? |
| 11:11.28 | MadSc13ntis1 | drink one for the sc13ntist! and for Factor! |
| 11:11.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | Oi! Oi! Oi! |
| 11:11.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:11.42 | rpc | or any other way, i basically need to reformat the drive |
| 11:12.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | herm |
| 11:12.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | well |
| 11:12.42 | FuzzyB | rpc |
| 11:12.55 | FuzzyB | remoun the drive ro |
| 11:12.58 | FuzzyB | to get everyone off of it |
| 11:13.06 | FuzzyB | then once all the write handles are gone |
| 11:13.07 | MadSc13ntis1 | now there's an idea |
| 11:13.11 | FuzzyB | then force an unmount |
| 11:13.16 | FuzzyB | then do your bidding |
| 11:13.18 | MadSc13ntis1 | :: applause :: |
| 11:13.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | well done sir |
| 11:13.25 | FuzzyB | ty |
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| 11:13.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | still waiting for the tale of the tape? |
| 11:13.54 | rpc | FuzzyB hmm |
| 11:14.06 | FuzzyB | it's pullin off the big 3rd |
| 11:14.10 | FuzzyB | so far 1.8gb |
| 11:14.15 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:14.16 | FuzzyB | but i'm waiting on about 18 |
| 11:14.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | omfg |
| 11:14.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:14.24 | rpc | so remount ro you say, ok, let's try that |
| 11:14.24 | MadSc13ntis1 | (sorry) |
| 11:14.27 | FuzzyB | for some reason |
| 11:14.34 | FuzzyB | it's only using one of it's tape drives |
| 11:14.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | ...... |
| 11:14.42 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 11:14.43 | rpc | btw i tried reisfers... it rocks |
| 11:14.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | ? |
| 11:14.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | wtf |
| 11:14.48 | FuzzyB | rpc don't use it |
| 11:14.53 | rpc | why? |
| 11:14.57 | FuzzyB | MadSc13ntis1: our backup software sucks balls |
| 11:15.01 | rpc | it's blasing fast... |
| 11:15.09 | FuzzyB | rpc: because the main/only coder is going to jail for life?! |
| 11:15.10 | rpc | blazing even |
| 11:15.18 | MadSc13ntis1 | written by 5 y/o's eh? |
| 11:15.18 | rpc | FuzzyB i know that but if that's the only reason... |
| 11:15.24 | FuzzyB | rpc no that's not |
| 11:15.28 | FuzzyB | MadSc13ntis1: arkeia |
| 11:15.35 | rpc | it's not him who did the fs... he had a whole team |
| 11:15.35 | MadSc13ntis1 | ...... |
| 11:15.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | WOW |
| 11:15.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:15.55 | positrix | I use testing, but need the occasional package from unstable. At the moment, every time I want one, I edit my sources.list, and add in unstable, apt-gget update, install the package, reedit the sources.list, remove unstable, and apt-get update again. is there an easier way, without all the editing and updating? |
| 11:15.55 | FuzzyB | rpc: i've never seen a reiserfs partition once it's been whacked recover any data |
| 11:15.59 | rpc | FuzzyB i know he did something pretty bad but we don't know why he did... no one kills for nothing, only idiots |
| 11:16.10 | FuzzyB | rpc: he's just like theo is to openbsd, without him you wouldn't have it |
| 11:16.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | (nor have I...) |
| 11:16.24 | rpc | FuzzyB and i really feel sorry for that guy, as well as for his wife anyway |
| 11:16.34 | FuzzyB | rpc: his (ex) wife was just exploiting the system on him |
| 11:16.40 | enouf | !tell positrix about pinning |
| 11:16.45 | FuzzyB | i don't feel sorry for him or his wife |
| 11:16.53 | rpc | FuzzyB please note that i get 50+ MB/s with reisfers and 10% cpu... with ext2/3 i get 5MB/s and 90% cpu... why would i care about reiser in jail then :) |
| 11:17.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | when i google "rkeia crash" i get 15,400 results |
| 11:17.11 | FuzzyB | rpc: one acryonum xfs |
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| 11:17.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | *arkeia |
| 11:17.17 | rpc | xfs? |
| 11:17.21 | enouf | positrix: then you can use apt-get install -t unstable <pkgname> at the cli whenever you want |
| 11:17.27 | FuzzyB | MadSc13ntis1: i have to restart it after every level 0 backup |
| 11:17.29 | enouf | positrix: man apt_preferences |
| 11:17.34 | rpc | if you have a suggestion what to use instead of ext2/3... i will gladly take it |
| 11:17.36 | FuzzyB | rpc: google sgi xfs |
| 11:17.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | fuck me running |
| 11:17.39 | rpc | hm |
| 11:17.40 | FuzzyB | xfs |
| 11:17.41 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:17.44 | positrix | enouf: Thanks |
| 11:17.47 | rpc | FuzzyB do you use it? |
| 11:17.47 | enouf | oh .. dpkg says so ... lol |
| 11:17.49 | MadSc13ntis1 | why not use paper and pencil... |
| 11:17.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:17.50 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 11:18.00 | FuzzyB | /dev/mapper/turtle-root on / type xfs (rw) |
| 11:18.00 | rpc | FuzzyB do you seriously recommend it? |
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| 11:18.18 | FuzzyB | i stand behind it as my choice for file systems in a linux envrioment |
| 11:18.23 | rpc | FuzzyB i need a fast fs and stable too but i can't accept ext2/3 anymore |
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| 11:18.28 | enouf | positrix: basically set sid/unstable to 100 (or even less) if the others are still at their 500 default |
| 11:18.30 | rpc | never had probs? |
| 11:18.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS |
| 11:18.32 | FuzzyB | rpc join #xfs |
| 11:18.37 | rpc | hm ok |
| 11:18.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:18.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | i sux |
| 11:18.59 | FuzzyB | why? |
| 11:19.00 | CAiRO | oh, iceweasle doesn't insert the saved passwords anymore :( |
| 11:19.05 | FuzzyB | because i knew they had a room for it? |
| 11:19.06 | enouf | positrix: apt-cache policy pkgname will help you sort that too |
| 11:19.09 | MadSc13ntis1 | that was a wiki for x fonts server |
| 11:19.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | lo |
| 11:19.15 | FuzzyB | hs |
| 11:19.16 | FuzzyB | ha |
| 11:19.21 | rpc | FuzzyB you sure it isn't buggy? never failed on you yet? |
| 11:19.22 | FuzzyB | that's why i said google for sgi xfs |
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| 11:19.35 | rpc | hm ok i will do some reading ;) |
| 11:19.37 | FuzzyB | rpc: don't question me again please, i really get ittated by it |
| 11:19.41 | Lagos | XFS is great. Don't install ReiserFS unless you want to see /dev/wife in /lost+found |
| 11:19.42 | cast | xfs/reiserfs aren't as bad as everyone makes out |
| 11:19.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | dude xfs is robust to say the least |
| 11:19.43 | FuzzyB | irreatated |
| 11:19.44 | Lagos | (too soon?) |
| 11:19.46 | capiira | hi |
| 11:19.52 | FuzzyB | Lagos: yes |
| 11:19.54 | FuzzyB | err no |
| 11:19.56 | rpc | FuzzyB aye but i just want to make others speak too, someone else must be using it as well |
| 11:19.57 | Lagos | Whoops. |
| 11:19.58 | FuzzyB | i already brought that up |
| 11:20.00 | enouf | !tell positrix -about apt howto |
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| 11:20.03 | cast | while i have heard that under the right conditions xfs will zero out your files ;) |
| 11:20.06 | rpc | Lagos rofl good one |
| 11:20.09 | FuzzyB | rpc go ask in #xfs about it |
| 11:20.17 | FuzzyB | cast: quit spreading fud |
| 11:20.19 | rpc | rofl @ /dev/wife |
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| 11:20.23 | enouf | last one positrix ;-) .. jst trying to be ..erm .. comprehensive |
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| 11:20.42 | FuzzyB | the only ones that ever toss my data ever are reiserfs and jfs |
| 11:20.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | mount /dev/wife |
| 11:20.55 | capiira | lol |
| 11:20.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:20.59 | rpc | FuzzyB thank you very much for the hint i will seriously give it a try then |
| 11:21.07 | rpc | umount /dev/wife rather... |
| 11:21.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:21.12 | Lagos | For the record, I ran XFS on Gentoo a few years ago and was very happy about it. It's also getting extensions for clustered implementations which is exciting. Just read up on it for any gotchas. |
| 11:21.12 | rpc | umount --force even... |
| 11:21.13 | capiira | maybe he fragmented his wife |
| 11:21.14 | FuzzyB | but supposedly i found a jfs bug and it blew my crap up before they released a patch |
| 11:21.15 | MadSc13ntis1 | (sorry) |
| 11:21.16 | Networking_ | can an email be created like this myname@email.mydomain.com ? |
| 11:21.27 | rpc | capiira lmao... how about some integrity check ;) |
| 11:21.29 | MadSc13ntis1 | why not? |
| 11:21.30 | FuzzyB | Lagos: they have a whole room dedicated to it here |
| 11:21.32 | capiira | heh |
| 11:21.44 | rpc | reiserfsck --check /dev/wife | grep head |
| 11:21.47 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS#Disadvantages 'With the three commands run just before a crash or power loss, there is a chance the file will have random data or null characters.' hey if its wrong then fix it ;) |
| 11:21.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | rofl |
| 11:21.59 | MadSc13ntis1 | damn |
| 11:22.03 | capiira | hehe |
| 11:22.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | i needed that |
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| 11:22.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | saving that one |
| 11:22.13 | rpc | now those reiser jokes are seriously insane but good :) |
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| 11:22.18 | rpc | i get the idea... |
| 11:22.24 | MadSc13ntis1 | fuck i guess |
| 11:22.47 | *** part/#debian irix (n=irix@unaffiliated/irix) |
| 11:22.50 | capiira | but his wife was not found yet? |
| 11:23.05 | MadSc13ntis1 | must have chroot'ed |
| 11:23.12 | MadSc13ntis1 | or chown'ed... |
| 11:23.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | DUM DUM DUM! |
| 11:23.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:23.16 | rpc | capiira she is in /dev/null i believe |
| 11:23.17 | FuzzyB | naw |
| 11:23.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | (i'm full of shit) |
| 11:23.22 | capiira | hehe |
| 11:23.23 | enouf | chsawed |
| 11:23.23 | rpc | so hard to find you know... |
| 11:23.26 | abauer | hi. i have missing dependencies but i would like to install "fake" packages to satisfy these dependencies. How can this be done? |
| 11:23.51 | FuzzyB | abauer: with a pony and a magic carpet |
| 11:23.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | @abauer: have X installed? |
| 11:23.54 | enouf | !tell abauer about equivs |
| 11:24.05 | rpc | hm how about: pidof `wife --alive` | xargs kill -9 |
| 11:24.07 | rpc | would that work? |
| 11:24.12 | capiira | hehe i think reisers wife miss dependencies too |
| 11:24.13 | CAiRO | does the iceweasle password manager still work for your? |
| 11:24.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | ROFL! |
| 11:24.21 | rpc | capiira lol |
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| 11:25.04 | abauer | enouf: thanks! |
| 11:25.21 | enouf | no prob |
| 11:25.54 | FuzzyB | http://www.monitorbeacon.net/sounds/Monitor_Beacon.mp3 |
| 11:26.03 | FuzzyB | For all your listening pleasures |
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| 11:26.33 | MadSc13ntis1 | beep beep beep |
| 11:26.44 | MadSc13ntis1 | i feel like an AT&T ANI... |
| 11:26.54 | MadSc13ntis1 | but who am i?!!?!?!? |
| 11:27.11 | xand | a bar of soap |
| 11:27.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | yes |
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| 11:27.20 | FuzzyB | heh |
| 11:27.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | dirty dirty soap |
| 11:27.26 | FuzzyB | your not far away |
| 11:27.43 | FuzzyB | that was recored from a ma bell's operators board in the late 50's |
| 11:27.45 | FuzzyB | then played with |
| 11:27.51 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:27.57 | MadSc13ntis1 | very Negativeland |
| 11:28.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | i used to phreak in the 90's |
| 11:28.13 | FuzzyB | they used that as a radio program signal for almost 20 years |
| 11:28.22 | MadSc13ntis1 | interesting |
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| 11:28.38 | MadSc13ntis1 | do you ever look up number stations on shortwave? |
| 11:28.46 | FuzzyB | not really |
| 11:28.50 | FuzzyB | i spend more time in 11 meter |
| 11:29.09 | MadSc13ntis1 | there was an interesting one out of NY addressing "Rodents" that i thought was funny |
| 11:29.25 | FuzzyB | heh |
| 11:29.33 | MadSc13ntis1 | "attention all rodents... attention all rodents" in this squeaky voice |
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| 11:29.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | it about kille dme |
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| 11:30.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | factor, you in the US? |
| 11:30.26 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:30.27 | MadSc13ntis1 | sorry |
| 11:30.29 | MadSc13ntis1 | Fuzzy |
| 11:30.35 | FuzzyB | pdx |
| 11:30.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | (rum) |
| 11:30.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | (north florida) |
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| 11:30.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | (civilian) |
| 11:31.08 | FuzzyB | jacksonville, come on vacation, leave on probation |
| 11:31.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:31.18 | MadSc13ntis1 | that's me |
| 11:31.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | Jax |
| 11:31.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | near Orange Park |
| 11:31.29 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:31.33 | FuzzyB | i have no clue where that is down there |
| 11:31.40 | FuzzyB | i just know a few cats out that way |
| 11:31.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | west of down town |
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| 11:31.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | blanding blvd |
| 11:32.12 | FuzzyB | see i'm on the complete other coast |
| 11:32.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | ah |
| 11:32.22 | MadSc13ntis1 | i have friend in LA county |
| 11:32.26 | FuzzyB | north |
| 11:32.31 | MadSc13ntis1 | owns a rave venue |
| 11:32.35 | MadSc13ntis1 | ah |
| 11:32.42 | FuzzyB | that's like a dime a dozen |
| 11:32.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:32.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | yeah |
| 11:32.50 | FuzzyB | i'm serious |
| 11:33.00 | FuzzyB | i know about 30 spot owners between here and seattle |
| 11:33.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | but so are accountants |
| 11:33.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:33.13 | FuzzyB | maybe it's just the circles i travel in |
| 11:33.41 | MadSc13ntis1 | saving financial docs you said? |
| 11:33.51 | FuzzyB | that's the big one |
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| 11:34.02 | FuzzyB | i'm saving anything ms related and saved |
| 11:34.04 | FuzzyB | atm |
| 11:34.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | after a tape took a shit while you weren't on duty...? |
| 11:34.16 | FuzzyB | no |
| 11:34.20 | FuzzyB | neither |
| 11:34.27 | FuzzyB | the 2nd drive failed today |
| 11:34.29 | FuzzyB | i was on duity |
| 11:34.38 | MadSc13ntis1 | that sux... |
| 11:34.48 | FuzzyB | the tapes we would normally just roll forward on on a new host weren't up to date |
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| 11:34.55 | FuzzyB | and this was the one time they were needed |
| 11:34.57 | MadSc13ntis1 | execs are real bastards when they aren't technical |
| 11:35.04 | FuzzyB | well these guys are |
| 11:35.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | damn |
| 11:35.09 | FuzzyB | our execs are nice people |
| 11:35.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | that's worse |
| 11:35.12 | FuzzyB | i mean shit |
| 11:35.18 | FuzzyB | they spent almost 10g's on my office |
| 11:35.27 | FuzzyB | probally more now |
| 11:35.28 | MadSc13ntis1 | .................................................................................................................................................. |
| 11:35.38 | FuzzyB | i have triple 19" lcd's on my desk |
| 11:35.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | not |
| 11:35.51 | MadSc13ntis1 | bad |
| 11:35.52 | FuzzyB | dual dual-core woodcrest |
| 11:35.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | at all |
| 11:35.55 | FuzzyB | 4gb ram |
| 11:35.59 | FuzzyB | 15k sas drive |
| 11:36.01 | FuzzyB | on sas controller |
| 11:36.03 | MadSc13ntis1 | drool(){ |
| 11:36.09 | FuzzyB | brand new mbp lappy for my mobile needs |
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| 11:36.39 | FuzzyB | so ya when i get a call, i come in |
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| 11:37.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | you are the fireman |
| 11:37.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | been there |
| 11:37.15 | MadSc13ntis1 | never fun |
| 11:37.22 | FuzzyB | i'm 1 of 6 |
| 11:37.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | where is 2-6? |
| 11:37.36 | MadSc13ntis1 | sleeping? |
| 11:37.40 | SkippyX | OMG - this is great!!!!! |
| 11:37.41 | FuzzyB | let's see |
| 11:37.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | :-) |
| 11:37.50 | sanjay | hi...help needed with qtjava |
| 11:37.52 | FuzzyB | 2 of 6 is in bed comming to relieve me in the morning |
| 11:38.01 | FuzzyB | 3 of 6 jsut got back in town this afternoon |
| 11:38.09 | FuzzyB | 4 of 6 same story different place |
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| 11:38.16 | FuzzyB | 5 of 6 MIA |
| 11:38.20 | MadSc13ntis1 | so by my math (riddled by booze) it must be about 3:37am there... |
| 11:38.23 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:38.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | of course |
| 11:38.28 | FuzzyB | 4:38 |
| 11:38.34 | MadSc13ntis1 | ah |
| 11:38.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | 7:37am here |
| 11:38.40 | FuzzyB | 6 of 6 is our resident ms guy |
| 11:38.47 | FuzzyB | so all the linux boys don't have to deal with the ms crap |
| 11:38.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | .... |
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| 11:38.54 | FuzzyB | hey it works out for me |
| 11:38.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | i hear that |
| 11:38.58 | FuzzyB | i don't have to touch a windows server |
| 11:39.00 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:39.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | yeah |
| 11:39.05 | FuzzyB | this samba crap is a grey area |
| 11:39.07 | MadSc13ntis1 | f that |
| 11:39.15 | FuzzyB | but i'll do it cuz i'm in the hole this week |
| 11:39.17 | sanjay | how to install qtjava? |
| 11:39.21 | FuzzyB | carefully |
| 11:39.24 | MadSc13ntis1 | ms is polishing brass on the titanic |
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| 11:39.37 | FuzzyB | yea i know, and we have very little of it |
| 11:39.42 | FuzzyB | but he desk all the desktop support too |
| 11:39.50 | FuzzyB | which is alot of windows outside of IT |
| 11:39.52 | MadSc13ntis1 | for ms? |
| 11:39.54 | MadSc13ntis1 | cool |
| 11:40.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | i'll bet |
| 11:40.20 | FuzzyB | all of us in IT are linux cept him |
| 11:41.12 | MadSc13ntis1 | @sanjay: you mean libqt3-jni ? |
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| 11:41.26 | SkippyX | Man - this is soooooo much faster than w2k on this old thing. it's phenominal. |
| 11:41.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | @sanjay: tu jani bangla? |
| 11:41.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | @Skippy: yeah |
| 11:41.46 | sanjay | i mean quicktime for java... |
| 11:41.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | it will blow your mind man |
| 11:41.59 | MadSc13ntis1 | install gkrellm and sheck out how many processes you are running |
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| 11:42.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | and how much file space you have left |
| 11:42.06 | sanjay | alpo...alpo |
| 11:42.22 | MadSc13ntis1 | @sanjay: ah |
| 11:42.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | one sec |
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| 11:43.09 | MadSc13ntis1 | @sanjay: for dev or viewing? (pardon drunk) |
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| 11:43.47 | sanjay | for dev as well for viewing |
| 11:44.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | kk |
| 11:44.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | specs? |
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| 11:46.29 | MadSc13ntis1 | toast the sun! |
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| 11:48.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | @SkippyX: still reeling? |
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| 11:49.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | @SkippyX: r0x your s0x don't it |
| 11:49.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | brb |
| 11:49.38 | SkippyX | It's amazing. |
| 11:49.48 | SkippyX | I can't believe how fast this old turd of a lappy is. |
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| 11:51.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | yeah |
| 11:51.18 | MadSc13ntis1 | Debian is the pwn |
| 11:51.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | ;-) |
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| 11:51.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | have you noticed how little disc space has been used compared to windblows |
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| 11:52.41 | factor | still no go on the xwindows witht eh intel emt64 and the 2.6.18 kernels did not work either but shown me about initfsramtoos I did not have butstill thesameresult. |
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| 11:52.59 | factor | no xswindows but text mode works just fine |
| 11:53.06 | factor | but nowhave to get ready for work |
| 11:53.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | damn |
| 11:53.19 | factor | 2.6.15+are a painto install |
| 11:53.24 | MadSc13ntis1 | sorry bro |
| 11:53.35 | MadSc13ntis1 | i hear you.... |
| 11:53.40 | factor | udev stuff I would imagine. |
| 11:53.52 | MadSc13ntis1 | more than likely |
| 11:54.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | wow i'm plasted |
| 11:54.16 | MadSc13ntis1 | plastered |
| 11:54.41 | MadSc13ntis1 | been awake for more than 48 hours and drinking at this point |
| 11:54.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:54.52 | MadSc13ntis1 | fuck i need a therapist |
| 11:54.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | or more rum |
| 11:55.03 | MadSc13ntis1 | worked for da |
| 11:56.00 | MadSc13ntis1 | still here Fuzzy? |
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| 11:56.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | anyone still here? |
| 11:56.55 | MadSc13ntis1 | at all |
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| 11:57.59 | MadSc13ntis1 | so stick to the creythur, the best thing in nature, for sinking you sorrows and raising your joys! |
| 11:58.06 | Techdeck | Hey, does anyone know if when I use both a swap from a file and a swap partition, which one the kernel uses first? |
| 11:58.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | thought it was swap from the partition first |
| 11:58.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | but you know what |
| 11:58.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | i'm drunk of my ass |
| 11:58.59 | Techdeck | lol |
| 11:59.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | and i wouldn't sorrupt somethign for the words that leave my mouth |
| 11:59.27 | Techdeck | no worries, I'll wait for a non-drunk geek |
| 11:59.28 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 11:59.29 | Techdeck | (if exists) |
| 11:59.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | pretty sure thought |
| 11:59.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | @tech: what's the prob specifically? |
| 11:59.56 | Techdeck | is a swap file slower? |
| 12:00.01 | Techdeck | I don't really have a prob |
| 12:00.03 | Techdeck | just wondering |
| 12:00.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | nope |
| 12:00.10 | cast | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5699 why does xinetd start the service even though the connection has already been denied access? [as shown in the FAIL line] |
| 12:00.15 | MadSc13ntis1 | not in application |
| 12:00.18 | Networking_ | does dovecot need postfix or sendmail to work? |
| 12:00.38 | Techdeck | thanks MadSc13ntis1 |
| 12:00.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | no sweat |
| 12:00.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | drink one for me ! |
| 12:01.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | hmmm dovecot |
| 12:01.09 | MadSc13ntis1 | one sec |
| 12:01.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | drinking more |
| 12:01.18 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:01.23 | MadSc13ntis1 | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 12:01.35 | Techdeck | d |
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| 12:03.07 | FuzzyB | you better get me some |
| 12:03.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | @Network: how did you install dovecot? |
| 12:03.20 | SkippyX | MadSc13ntis1, what's amazing is that you are that drunk and w/ your help the install (that's been plagueing me for days on this laptop) went w/out a hitch. |
| 12:03.29 | SkippyX | that guy knows his shit. |
| 12:03.33 | MadSc13ntis1 | synaptic/aptitude |
| 12:03.34 | FuzzyB | hey wait a second |
| 12:03.36 | FuzzyB | it wasn't him |
| 12:03.37 | FuzzyB | it was me |
| 12:03.41 | FuzzyB | that told you psaux |
| 12:03.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:03.44 | MadSc13ntis1 | indeed |
| 12:03.45 | FuzzyB | it was me that told you xfree86 |
| 12:03.50 | FuzzyB | it was me that told you what line to change |
| 12:03.54 | SkippyX | lol - it was both of you, FuzzyB You helped me w/ the mouse issue |
| 12:03.57 | FuzzyB | and it was me that told you what driver to change |
| 12:03.58 | MadSc13ntis1 | props passed to Fuzzy |
| 12:04.05 | MadSc13ntis1 | in fact |
| 12:04.06 | FuzzyB | i mean i don't really care |
| 12:04.08 | FuzzyB | but damm |
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| 12:04.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | i'll drink to that |
| 12:04.13 | FuzzyB | good |
| 12:04.14 | SkippyX | MadSc13ntis1 had been helping me for a good portion of the morning on other issues. |
| 12:04.20 | SkippyX | Thanks to BOTH of you. |
| 12:04.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | Oi! Oi! Oi! |
| 12:04.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | dude pay it forward |
| 12:04.51 | SkippyX | if I have the opportunity, I will. |
| 12:04.51 | MadSc13ntis1 | keep a bug journal |
| 12:05.02 | SkippyX | a bug journal? OK. |
| 12:05.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | there's a good lad. |
| 12:05.07 | SkippyX | send it to whom? |
| 12:05.09 | MadSc13ntis1 | ;-) |
| 12:05.17 | cpop | Does anyone know where /usr/include/sys/event.h dissapeared? |
| 12:05.24 | FuzzyB | sometimes you get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if you look at it right |
| 12:05.38 | SkippyX | FuzzyB, that's a very true statement. |
| 12:05.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | just write a txt file for future cituations and that will make it easier to help others with what you now know |
| 12:05.49 | cpop | I'm trying to compile a source package which needs sys/event.h |
| 12:05.50 | FuzzyB | i didn't come up with it unfortually |
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| 12:06.30 | FuzzyB | cpop: i don't have an event.h |
| 12:06.51 | SkippyX | MadSc13ntis1, good thinking. I might actually post my install process on a website. link to linuxlaptops.org (or whatever the URL of that site is). |
| 12:06.53 | FuzzyB | http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+event.h&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a |
| 12:06.56 | FuzzyB | try that cpop |
| 12:07.01 | SkippyX | That would have been helpful to me early on. |
| 12:07.30 | SkippyX | (there was one there for this type of lappy - but it was about installing "slink". I couldn't even find slink) |
| 12:07.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | @SkippyX: but you've learned and for what it is worth you are rejoicing in the feeling of learning.. that is more than alot of people will feel over a machine |
| 12:08.25 | SkippyX | MadSc13ntis1, I know. I'm a bit anal that way. I like tinkering w/ stuff. Getting it figured out - making it work flawlessly. |
| 12:08.26 | MadSc13ntis1 | true |
| 12:08.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | I am drunk as a skunk |
| 12:08.40 | FuzzyB | drink more then dammit |
| 12:08.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | or a poet on pay-day |
| 12:08.44 | FuzzyB | you can still type |
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| 12:08.52 | MadSc13ntis1 | ytay! |
| 12:08.55 | MadSc13ntis1 | *yay! |
| 12:09.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | more Rum1! |
| 12:09.07 | MadSc13ntis1 | Oi! Oi! Oi! |
| 12:10.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | wow |
| 12:10.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | that was a tall shot |
| 12:10.23 | MadSc13ntis1 | how i can typw is beyond me |
| 12:10.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | wish i could skype someone to show what i mean |
| 12:10.45 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:10.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | can't speak |
| 12:11.02 | MadSc13ntis1 | but i can sing along with "Old Blind Dogs" |
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| 12:11.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:11.09 | SkippyX | wow - it's been a long time since I was that drunk. |
| 12:11.28 | FuzzyB | you know |
| 12:11.33 | FuzzyB | when i get drunk |
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| 12:11.37 | FuzzyB | i can still slur type |
| 12:11.41 | FuzzyB | even though i can't see |
| 12:11.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | fuck if that's not where i stay |
| 12:11.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | stand |
| 12:12.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | just hoplessly chained to comp's |
| 12:12.07 | FuzzyB | MadSc13ntis1: go find some tequlia now |
| 12:12.16 | SkippyX | But - I still smoke (light a freight train)....so - off out the front door. |
| 12:12.18 | SkippyX | brb. |
| 12:12.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | typing comes more naturally than talking in some ways |
| 12:12.29 | FuzzyB | i can't smoke |
| 12:12.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | kk |
| 12:12.34 | FuzzyB | i think i have a meeting in like 2 hours |
| 12:12.42 | MadSc13ntis1 | need to dash? |
| 12:12.46 | FuzzyB | naw |
| 12:12.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | sounds like an interesting day |
| 12:12.52 | FuzzyB | i gotta bring everyone up to speed |
| 12:12.55 | FuzzyB | so they can relieve me |
| 12:12.57 | FuzzyB | and i go to bed |
| 12:13.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | in the event that you are interested to hit me up later on |
| 12:13.14 | MadSc13ntis1 | madsc13ntist@gmail.com |
| 12:13.34 | MadSc13ntis1 | for real... it's cool |
| 12:14.11 | FuzzyB | i'm normally asleep these times of the days |
| 12:14.21 | MadSc13ntis1 | (for anyone else i have a fine collection of x-mailer IP's that i play with routinely |
| 12:14.24 | MadSc13ntis1 | ) |
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| 12:14.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | hahahahah |
| 12:17.11 | MadSc13ntis1 | Still here Skippy? |
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| 12:18.14 | ktwilight_ | how do i move around in aptitude using my keyboard? |
| 12:18.16 | SkippyX | Yep - still here - in the middle of d/ling enlightenment, gnome, grellm, xmms, a few other things. |
| 12:18.34 | MadSc13ntis1 | nice |
| 12:18.35 | FuzzyB | SkippyX: you want the E17 repo's? |
| 12:18.50 | FuzzyB | #Enlightenment e17 |
| 12:18.50 | FuzzyB | deb http://edevelop.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 12:19.03 | michelmichel | hi everyone still looking for a way to automount external hd on my etch system. full detailed problem on http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=536320 |
| 12:19.17 | FuzzyB | fuck linuxquestions.org |
| 12:19.27 | cpop | OK, after some more digging seems like I need the event.h that defines "kevent". Any idea? I've tried Google and apt-file find, but they don't really help. |
| 12:19.46 | factor | off |
| 12:19.48 | FuzzyB | cpop i told you google event.h |
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| 12:20.17 | FuzzyB | You'll probally find the file your looking for |
| 12:20.22 | FuzzyB | or it's looking for and you should be good |
| 12:20.32 | cpop | I tried, not much luck. |
| 12:20.36 | FuzzyB | i'm not sure anyone is going to know where/if event.h comes from somewhere |
| 12:20.38 | SkippyX | FuzzyB, thank you! I'll add it to my sources.list once synaptic is done d/ling & installing that enormous bog of apps. |
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| 12:20.47 | FuzzyB | my guess is it's an old header that has since expired |
| 12:21.15 | cpop | I'm starting to get some hints that it may be a BSD lib, "kqueue" |
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| 12:21.33 | cpop | which may or not have a correspondent on Linux |
| 12:21.33 | FuzzyB | look in the cvsweb repo's for the bsd's |
| 12:21.35 | MadSc13ntis1 | @SkippyX: Fuzzy is good advice |
| 12:21.38 | MadSc13ntis1 | wow |
| 12:21.40 | FuzzyB | you know where it's supposed to be |
| 12:21.49 | MadSc13ntis1 | sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo drunnnnnnnk |
| 12:21.51 | FuzzyB | so it's not like oyu got much hunting to do |
| 12:22.03 | cpop | right, I'll go try that |
| 12:22.06 | FuzzyB | kk |
| 12:22.08 | FuzzyB | and btw |
| 12:22.13 | michelmichel | i believe it is about writing rules file for udev but my attempts in writing one didnt succeded - anyone here with some udev knowledge? |
| 12:22.13 | FuzzyB | there is a thing called kfreebsd |
| 12:22.16 | FuzzyB | which is the fbsd kernel |
| 12:22.19 | FuzzyB | with a debian userland |
| 12:22.32 | MadSc13ntis1 | played with that |
| 12:22.34 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:22.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | haHA |
| 12:22.49 | FuzzyB | i couldn't get it to work |
| 12:23.00 | FuzzyB | but then again freebsd hates me |
| 12:23.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | LO (motherfucking)L |
| 12:23.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | neither could i! |
| 12:23.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:23.22 | FuzzyB | fbsd in the late 4.x era was excellent |
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| 12:23.29 | FuzzyB | since then it's gone progressively downhill |
| 12:23.54 | MadSc13ntis1 | blame the high turn over of dev's......... |
| 12:24.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | fuckers! |
| 12:24.03 | MadSc13ntis1 | Oi! |
| 12:24.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | so |
| 12:24.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | drunk |
| 12:24.18 | FuzzyB | how about their elitest attitude that makes theo look like grover ? |
| 12:24.33 | MadSc13ntis1 | ROFLCOPTER! |
| 12:24.37 | MadSc13ntis1 | there |
| 12:24.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | i said it |
| 12:24.50 | FuzzyB | i may not like theo, but at least you can say the obsd has their shit together |
| 12:25.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | depends |
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| 12:25.50 | FuzzyB | i hope you have something following that depends |
| 12:26.03 | FuzzyB | because when your saying depends all by itself |
| 12:26.07 | MadSc13ntis1 | one sec |
| 12:26.10 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 12:26.10 | FuzzyB | for all we know you crapped yourself and you need a change |
| 12:26.13 | FuzzyB | hi rob |
| 12:26.19 | MadSc13ntis1 | LMAO |
| 12:26.20 | SkippyX | Wow - the most recent firefox in the standard repo is 1.0.X? That ain't right. |
| 12:26.22 | ^rob^ | i have set a 2 GB swap - but debian see only 1G ?? |
| 12:26.37 | FuzzyB | SkippyX: iceweasel |
| 12:26.48 | FuzzyB | make two 1gb chunks |
| 12:26.51 | FuzzyB | and mount them each |
| 12:26.55 | FuzzyB | as swap |
| 12:26.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:26.58 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: one 2 gb should be possible too |
| 12:27.04 | FuzzyB | tarzeau: since when |
| 12:27.09 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: since ever? |
| 12:27.10 | MadSc13ntis1 | man do i have egg on my face |
| 12:27.10 | FuzzyB | for a while you couldn't do over 256mb |
| 12:27.17 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: huh? |
| 12:27.22 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: how do i do 2Gb swap? |
| 12:27.23 | FuzzyB | but that was like 7+ years ago |
| 12:27.28 | FuzzyB | there was a time |
| 12:27.30 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:27.35 | tarzeau | -rw------- 1 root root 1881145344 Oct 26 12:02 /var/swap |
| 12:27.37 | FuzzyB | where swap would only allocate the first 256mb of the swap partition |
| 12:27.42 | tarzeau | Ronin: create a file of that size and use it? |
| 12:27.44 | FuzzyB | unless you made more swap partitions |
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| 12:27.51 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: Swap: 1793 139 1654 |
| 12:27.58 | tarzeau | FuzzyB: that must be VERY LONG ago |
| 12:28.07 | FuzzyB | 7 years or so |
| 12:28.09 | FuzzyB | 2.2.x days |
| 12:28.17 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: hey i am with the swap problem :) |
| 12:28.36 | ^rob^ | so - how do i do 2G swap? - except splitting swap in 2 partitions |
| 12:28.37 | tarzeau | ^rob^: ah sorry |
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| 12:28.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | more rum! |
| 12:29.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | Oi! Oi! Oi! |
| 12:29.02 | FuzzyB | i need to lose these hickups |
| 12:29.03 | ^rob^ | do i need to tell something to kernel?? |
| 12:29.28 | MadSc13ntis1 | drink some water and let the air rise and burp |
| 12:29.35 | FuzzyB | you know if you did what i said you'd already be done with it by now rob |
| 12:29.36 | ^rob^ | like sysctl.stupidswapsize = 2G ?? |
| 12:29.48 | MadSc13ntis1 | hiccups = air caught in teh esophagus |
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| 12:30.02 | MadSc13ntis1 | 7+ years as a paramedic in metro florida |
| 12:30.03 | FuzzyB | fine i'll find something to get rid of it |
| 12:30.09 | FuzzyB | perfect |
| 12:30.12 | FuzzyB | what should i do |
| 12:30.13 | MadSc13ntis1 | water |
| 12:30.15 | FuzzyB | drink something? |
| 12:30.16 | FuzzyB | ok |
| 12:30.17 | FuzzyB | brbn |
| 12:30.18 | MadSc13ntis1 | water |
| 12:30.20 | knight | hi is there good tutorials for nasm? |
| 12:30.22 | MadSc13ntis1 | and burp |
| 12:30.28 | ^rob^ | FuzzyB: ok - i'll split - but i want to know if it is possible to have 1 swap at 2 G :) |
| 12:30.35 | MadSc13ntis1 | for nasm? |
| 12:30.46 | knight | yes |
| 12:30.46 | FuzzyB | rob maybe on the 64 bit platforms |
| 12:30.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | buy the book Gray Hat Hacking |
| 12:30.51 | FuzzyB | it's easier to do |
| 12:30.53 | ^rob^ | ok |
| 12:30.55 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 12:30.57 | MadSc13ntis1 | might move you closer to your goal |
| 12:31.00 | FuzzyB | but if i'm going to do anything that big |
| 12:31.01 | MadSc13ntis1 | great book |
| 12:31.06 | FuzzyB | i want it sectioned out anyways |
| 12:31.24 | FuzzyB | because if i need a gig |
| 12:31.26 | FuzzyB | and i'm out of space |
| 12:31.26 | knight | Gray hat hacking? |
| 12:31.31 | FuzzyB | the first place i'm going to look is swap |
| 12:31.59 | MadSc13ntis1 | prepare for linkage |
| 12:32.31 | MadSc13ntis1 | http://www.amazon.com/Gray-Hat-Hacking-Ethical-Handbook/dp/0072257091 |
| 12:32.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | check that out |
| 12:32.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | has the ISBN |
| 12:33.02 | ^rob^ | and how do you intend to read swap? |
| 12:33.08 | MadSc13ntis1 | great book for both the DoD contractor and the novice alike |
| 12:33.17 | MadSc13ntis1 | i have seen it help both |
| 12:33.29 | FuzzyB | how about the rebel nomad breeds? |
| 12:33.54 | MadSc13ntis1 | DoD Contracotra are more than often FUCKING fools that require coaching and tutorials |
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| 12:34.25 | MadSc13ntis1 | bastards |
| 12:34.27 | FuzzyB | i didn't ask about DOD douches i asked about rebell nomads |
| 12:34.38 | MadSc13ntis1 | read a book i say |
| 12:34.43 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:34.46 | x_link | Is there a big difference between PC100 and PC133? |
| 12:34.46 | MadSc13ntis1 | black hats? |
| 12:34.54 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol |
| 12:34.54 | FuzzyB | x_link yes |
| 12:35.01 | FuzzyB | x_link and no |
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| 12:35.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | in short .............. yeah |
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| 12:35.10 | FuzzyB | ther'es a bigger difference between 133 and 150 |
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| 12:35.11 | SkippyX | Ok - back in a bit. |
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| 12:35.40 | x_link | FuzzyB: Okey, cause I will send some RAM to a guy in Colombia, he's poor and I want to help him. But he has PC133 RAM |
| 12:35.52 | FuzzyB | all you have is 100? |
| 12:36.04 | FuzzyB | his 133 will downclock to 100 and he should be fine |
| 12:36.07 | MadSc13ntis1 | old compy? |
| 12:36.19 | FuzzyB | heck if he's really that hard up for ram |
| 12:36.41 | FuzzyB | if he sends me a postcard, and what he needs, i bet i can put my fingers on a 1/2 gig or so |
| 12:36.53 | MadSc13ntis1 | use tor and use patience? |
| 12:36.54 | FuzzyB | espally that old shit |
| 12:37.06 | MadSc13ntis1 | i hear it |
| 12:37.08 | FuzzyB | the onion? |
| 12:37.40 | MadSc13ntis1 | lol, one of the best proxies i use is out of peru |
| 12:37.45 | MadSc13ntis1 | wow |
| 12:37.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | drunk |
| 12:37.56 | MadSc13ntis1 | getting hard to typeeee |
| 12:38.04 | MadSc13ntis1 | lolllll |
| 12:38.07 | terr_ | can someone give me a hand with crontab? I've done it before but its been a while and I'm confused. |
| 12:38.15 | FuzzyB | what's up? |
| 12:38.29 | FuzzyB | i'm sure there's more than one here that knows about cron's |
| 12:38.36 | FuzzyB | me on the other hand will brb |
| 12:38.36 | terr_ | To edit one of root's cron table entries... I should execute what? crontab -e? |
| 12:38.44 | FuzzyB | i gotta see if i can resurect a smb.conf file |
| 12:38.48 | FuzzyB | yes |
| 12:38.55 | FuzzyB | -e (user) to edit |
| 12:38.57 | FuzzyB | -l to list |
| 12:39.03 | FuzzyB | if you are root |
| 12:39.08 | FuzzyB | you can omit the user on the -e |
| 12:39.14 | terr_ | fuzzy. man says that. crontab says no enteries for root. |
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| 12:39.22 | FuzzyB | that could be true |
| 12:39.27 | FuzzyB | so make one |
| 12:39.37 | FuzzyB | oh you might need |
| 12:39.42 | terr_ | /etc# crontab -l |
| 12:39.42 | terr_ | no crontab for root |
| 12:39.55 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 12:40.07 | FuzzyB | try crontab -e |
| 12:40.11 | FuzzyB | should take you to an editor |
| 12:40.14 | FuzzyB | if you see something there |
| 12:40.14 | terr_ | :/etc# cat crontab |
| 12:40.14 | terr_ | # /etc/crontab: system-wide cront |
| 12:40.17 | terr_ | but i see this: |
| 12:40.26 | ^rob^ | FuzzyB: aa - is there an ishue to put in fstab to mount both swaps? - first as primary or can i tell both options as swap ? |
| 12:40.28 | terr_ | 17 * * * * root run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly |
| 12:40.28 | FuzzyB | that's the system wide cron |
| 12:40.34 | terr_ | so there are cron entries |
| 12:40.46 | FuzzyB | ^rob^: you can have as many fstab entries as you need |
| 12:40.50 | ^rob^ | /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 12:40.55 | FuzzyB | terr_: those are the system wide cron entries |
| 12:40.56 | ^rob^ | and sda4 identic |
| 12:41.02 | FuzzyB | try crontab -e root |
| 12:41.03 | terr_ | FuzzyB: I know. |
| 12:41.08 | terr_ | but they are owned by root. |
| 12:41.14 | FuzzyB | sure |
| 12:41.26 | FuzzyB | but they are a step up from root ( as a user ) crons |
| 12:41.29 | terr_ | FuzzyB: so why doens't crontab show them? |
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| 12:41.49 | FuzzyB | because -l is showing the user's crons |
| 12:41.55 | FuzzyB | the user happens to be you |
| 12:41.57 | MadSc13ntis1 | http://www.myspace.com/greatbigsealive |
| 12:42.05 | FuzzyB | there might be a trick to get it to show everything |
| 12:42.06 | terr_ | fuzzy I'm logged in as root. |
| 12:42.13 | FuzzyB | yes i know |
| 12:42.23 | FuzzyB | you the user root |
| 12:42.39 | MadSc13ntis1 | going to bed |
| 12:42.41 | terr_ | is there an alias for the system wide crontabs? |
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| 12:42.47 | MadSc13ntis1 | I will catch you guys when i do |
| 12:42.50 | MadSc13ntis1 | p34c3 |
| 12:42.54 | FuzzyB | not that i'm aware of |
| 12:43.03 | FuzzyB | but all your cron stuff should be in etc or var |
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| 12:43.55 | MadSc13ntis1 | p34c3 all |
| 12:44.00 | MadSc13ntis1 | yay sleep |
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| 12:44.22 | Boggie | Hm. should I go for Testing or Stable release of Debian? :) |
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| 12:44.33 | SkippyX | Ok - where's a good place for repos for Sarge? |
| 12:45.12 | x_link | Hrmm everytime I want to play Open Arena I must download --> libopenal0a |
| 12:45.26 | x_link | I downloaded it yesterday, and now I must download it again. |
| 12:45.39 | x_link | Doesn't that gile get saved or what? |
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| 12:47.19 | Boggie | and how recent is the software on Sarge? |
| 12:47.21 | Boggie | I had to ask |
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| 12:47.47 | vn | hi, I rebooted my debian machine and it now says Give root password for maintenance (or type Control-D to continue): what does this means? |
| 12:47.57 | ^rob^ | FuzzyB: man - when i do swapon -a i get: swapon: /dev/sda2: Invalid argument |
| 12:48.19 | ^rob^ | oh |
| 12:48.29 | ^rob^ | i did a mkswapfs again |
| 12:48.34 | ^rob^ | and all went ok |
| 12:48.48 | ^rob^ | Swap: 1913 0 1913 |
| 12:48.51 | ^rob^ | ty man |
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| 12:49.44 | vn | uhm...stealing is bad |
| 12:50.48 | x_link | Anybody? |
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| 12:54.04 | Boggie | it's jus' ale ya know. |
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| 12:56.59 | FuzzyB | no one steals my guinness |
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| 13:11.42 | spyroboy | Mmmm.. |
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| 13:16.35 | T0wner_ | quick question about "make-kpkg --added-patches foo kernel_image" |
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| 13:16.49 | T0wner_ | anyone know if that automatically enables the patch in the .config |
| 13:17.38 | T0wner_ | im seeing it being reported by make-kpkg as being applied correctly but i cant see it in menuconfig/.config |
| 13:18.15 | entalpija | http://ziza.ru/2007/03/12/delaem_blinchiki_15_foto.html |
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| 13:20.59 | juice` | is there any mirror to this ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:21.11 | juice` | couldn't find any |
| 13:21.37 | istirbu | nope, the mirrors are only for stable stuff |
| 13:21.53 | istirbu | you might take a look at jigdo |
| 13:22.00 | istirbu | it's really nice |
| 13:22.17 | juice` | it can use mirrors? |
| 13:22.20 | istirbu | and you can tell it to use your preffered mirror |
| 13:22.34 | juice` | ah, jigdo is the thing to create my own iso |
| 13:22.38 | juice` | from fresh .debs |
| 13:22.39 | istirbu | jigdo uses a regular debian repository and downloads the packages |
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| 13:22.45 | istirbu | yup |
| 13:23.05 | istirbu | you can find jigdo files for testing |
| 13:23.19 | juice` | any clues when etch is going to be stable? |
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| 13:24.33 | istirbu | not really sure |
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| 13:24.58 | istirbu | but guys are working on stabilizing the remainder of packages |
| 13:25.05 | istirbu | should be pretty soon |
| 13:25.13 | apt_get | Hi. |
| 13:25.27 | gr1ncheux | hello |
| 13:25.39 | apt_get | what the recomend splash software to use in boot proccess? |
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| 13:25.52 | apt_get | i'm using debian etch |
| 13:26.05 | sep | apt_get, we use usplash |
| 13:26.27 | sep | apt_get, and as with everything, all solutions have their advantages and drawbacks |
| 13:26.30 | JarJarBinks|uni | juice`: may I ask why you need a mirror, when you can just download it: wget ftp://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 13:26.59 | istirbu | it might bee too slow, a local mirror is usually much faster |
| 13:27.21 | apt_get | thanks sep |
| 13:27.27 | JarJarBinks|uni | I get 4M/s |
| 13:27.41 | apt_get | i'm trying splashy, but i can count many of BUGs |
| 13:28.10 | amphi | apt_get: just don't bother with bootsplash - how often do you boot anyway? ;) |
| 13:28.13 | JarJarBinks|uni | it will take me longer time to burn the image on a rewritable disc, than download it |
| 13:28.15 | istirbu | JarJarBinks|uni: lucky you |
| 13:28.32 | fireba11 | hm .. 65 .. that bug count is finally going down :-) |
| 13:28.38 | sep | apt_get, what amphi saies is true. customer damands it, but personaly i think it's a pain in the butt |
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| 13:28.50 | sep | it only hampers troubleshooting. |
| 13:29.14 | JarJarBinks|uni | ok, I just don't get the point, cdimage.debian.org can't really be conisered slow, with that uplaod?, so the mirror seems unescesarry |
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| 13:29.39 | lero_ | there's a way to debian update the package w/o stopping the daemon? |
| 13:30.10 | apt_get | yes, but i want to put a graphic boot in all computers here in my company |
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| 13:30.20 | apt_get | around 40 computers |
| 13:30.41 | istirbu | lero_: what daemon? |
| 13:30.51 | apt_get | with bootsplash i have success.. but the bad thing about patch and re-compiling the kernel |
| 13:30.59 | istirbu | you refer to any package? |
| 13:31.12 | lero_ | istirbu: samba for example. |
| 13:31.22 | apt_get | with splashy... uhhhhh... so bugs ... dont can be used |
| 13:31.33 | sep | apt_get, usplash only use a gizmo in the initrd, and a kernel boot argument. easy. |
| 13:31.43 | sep | (but pointless) |
| 13:31.47 | istirbu | lero_: it depends on the change the package is adding |
| 13:31.47 | rpc | anyone got a list of Turk ISPs? |
| 13:31.57 | lero_ | dist-upgrade show me a new version, but i don't want it stop samba now |
| 13:32.03 | apt_get | i will try |
| 13:32.12 | apt_get | what's the official site? |
| 13:32.13 | lero_ | just to update |
| 13:32.22 | istirbu | you may only donwload the packages |
| 13:32.31 | istirbu | and upgrade the ones you want |
| 13:32.38 | lero_ | right |
| 13:33.13 | istirbu | you can run apt-get in download only mode |
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| 13:33.22 | istirbu | with apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
| 13:33.32 | istirbu | it will not install the packages |
| 13:33.37 | istirbu | but they are there for you |
| 13:33.49 | rpc | if you care about security then please block this ip class on your firewalls immediately: 88.241.128.0 - 88.241.255.255 |
| 13:33.56 | istirbu | but if samba is updated, it's usually sane to restart |
| 13:34.02 | rpc | damn turk flood from there |
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| 13:34.40 | lero_ | istirbu: yeah i know |
| 13:34.48 | rpc | i wonder what the hell is wrong with Turks so they are so paranoid about hacking |
| 13:35.02 | lero_ | i just cares about this "feature" of apt, from restarting services w/o asking =] |
| 13:35.13 | rpc | must be too hot in there lol |
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| 13:39.02 | amphi | rpc: wtf? |
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| 13:39.42 | rpc | amphi a bit too many hack attempts from .tr |
| 13:39.55 | rpc | it's fun to watch the honey pot today :) |
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| 13:40.04 | amphi | rpc: blocking all of turk telecom seems a little excessive |
| 13:40.10 | rpc | but i will |
| 13:40.12 | rpc | just ALL .tr |
| 13:40.31 | rpc | those people are really weird, even .pl ones aren't this crazy |
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| 13:41.00 | rpc | i don't think i need to allow turks at all, what for |
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| 13:41.44 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 13:41.49 | spyroboy | hi |
| 13:42.01 | ^rob^ | i am not from US so please don't laugh about my next question |
| 13:42.08 | ^rob^ | how do i set timezone for NY ? |
| 13:42.33 | ^rob^ | now it's US/Central - and i am shure it's not correct |
| 13:42.54 | wij32 | us west? |
| 13:42.58 | wij32 | east sorry |
| 13:42.59 | wij32 | * |
| 13:43.00 | wij32 | :( |
| 13:43.51 | ^rob^ | US/East |
| 13:44.04 | ^rob^ | is is enough to edit /etc/timezone file? |
| 13:44.40 | amphi | ^rob^: tzconfig |
| 13:44.42 | FuzzyB | no |
| 13:45.15 | moshii | has anyone else noticed that skype no longer works on unstable? |
| 13:45.23 | ^rob^ | i did |
| 13:45.26 | FuzzyB | and does this supprise you? |
| 13:45.32 | ^rob^ | very |
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| 13:45.39 | ^rob^ | not working on testing neither |
| 13:45.42 | FuzzyB | what part of unstable don't you understand |
| 13:46.00 | moshii | FuzzyB: um it seems like libc breakage :P |
| 13:46.10 | FuzzyB | it's still unstable |
| 13:46.12 | moshii | FuzzyB: which isn't a good thing even in unstable |
| 13:46.16 | FuzzyB | maybe so |
| 13:46.22 | FuzzyB | but it's still unstable |
| 13:46.25 | FuzzyB | things are meant to break |
| 13:46.30 | FuzzyB | and people shouldn't be supprised |
| 13:46.34 | moshii | FuzzyB: and it's nice to verify problems exist before you report them |
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| 13:46.37 | FuzzyB | at least non-developers |
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| 13:46.41 | mcbane | hi |
| 13:46.48 | istirbu | unstable refers to something else |
| 13:46.50 | moshii | FuzzyB: as the skype packages are from skype directly |
| 13:46.52 | ^rob^ | Local time is now: Mon Mar 12 03:46:38 EDT 2007. |
| 13:46.52 | ^rob^ | Universal Time is now: Mon Mar 12 07:46:38 UTC 2007. |
| 13:46.56 | ^rob^ | is this correct? |
| 13:47.01 | xand | nope |
| 13:47.02 | ^rob^ | in NY is 3 am? |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | no |
| 13:47.15 | abrotman | 9:47AM |
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| 13:47.15 | xand | it's 13:47 UTC |
| 13:47.21 | xand | Mon Mar 12 13:47:22 GMT 2007 |
| 13:47.21 | istirbu | FuzzyB: packages appear and dissapear |
| 13:47.25 | istirbu | not to break |
| 13:47.28 | FuzzyB | no shit sherlock |
| 13:47.37 | FuzzyB | stop the presses |
| 13:47.41 | FuzzyB | lets get that one out to the masses |
| 13:48.17 | istirbu | true |
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| 13:48.24 | ^rob^ | ok - ntpdate fixed the time |
| 13:48.25 | ^rob^ | ty |
| 13:48.25 | ^rob^ | :) |
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| 13:48.37 | istirbu | but with the bleeding edge sw people get much more hassle |
| 13:48.39 | mcbane | i have a problem here. I made a net installation of debian. Everything worked fine. But after the reboot the network adapter isn't working anymore and I have no clue why. This is the syslog which I think is related to the problem: http://rafb.net/p/zHm3kA51.html |
| 13:48.40 | mcbane | can anybody help? |
| 13:48.47 | istirbu | so it's not really for anyone |
| 13:48.53 | moshii | FuzzyB: I don't get where you problem is.. unstable breaks, yes, but if no one says anything it stays broken |
| 13:49.01 | istirbu | i'd say testing is more appropriate |
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| 13:49.23 | FuzzyB | moshii: my problem is, some is supprised my something breaking when it's stated that it will break |
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| 13:49.33 | FuzzyB | by excuse me |
| 13:49.35 | NY-Ty | heello |
| 13:49.40 | NY-Ty | i need some help |
| 13:49.48 | istirbu | just ask |
| 13:49.48 | amphi | !prize NY-Ty |
| 13:49.50 | NY-Ty | i must use apt-get -f |
| 13:49.54 | NY-Ty | how to cancel it |
| 13:49.58 | NY-Ty | i need to rmeove some packages |
| 13:50.00 | NY-Ty | then install it |
| 13:50.10 | ^rob^ | NY-Ty: dont' |
| 13:50.12 | moshii | FuzzyB: yes.. And I said one package has broken, seemingly because of libc upgrades, and you went all rar rar rar super bofh |
| 13:50.14 | NY-Ty | ? |
| 13:50.18 | NY-Ty | i cant cancel it |
| 13:50.21 | NY-Ty | and i`m in cycle |
| 13:50.30 | istirbu | try apt-get -f remove |
| 13:50.30 | NY-Ty | i need to cancel the instalation about libc6 |
| 13:50.37 | istirbu | and see what happens |
| 13:50.43 | istirbu | libc... |
| 13:50.48 | NY-Ty | it dont works |
| 13:50.50 | NY-Ty | wrong depencies |
| 13:50.55 | NY-Ty | i must remove package xgl |
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| 13:51.07 | istirbu | try to apt-get update |
| 13:51.09 | moshii | So has anyone esle notices that skype's packages are now brokenn, if so I am going to ask them to fix them |
| 13:51.10 | NY-Ty | no |
| 13:51.12 | NY-Ty | i tried |
| 13:51.18 | NY-Ty | i want to cancel tis operation |
| 13:51.20 | istirbu | and then to apt-get -f install |
| 13:51.20 | NY-Ty | it must work |
| 13:51.25 | tarzeau | moshii: debian doesn't make skype packages. ask #skype |
| 13:51.27 | wols_ | NY-Ty: dpkg --force-help |
| 13:51.32 | NY-Ty | :| |
| 13:51.47 | CharminTheMoose | should I worry if my .xauthority file isn't being locked? |
| 13:51.49 | ^rob^ | moshii: others can't hear me i can hear them all - this happend after my last updae. |
| 13:51.52 | wols_ | tarzeau: you are that lone gnustep user, right? |
| 13:52.14 | FuzzyB | moshii: it wasn't you that was supprised by the breakage, i wasn't snapping at you, i was snapping at the newb |
| 13:52.17 | ^rob^ | i use deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free |
| 13:52.19 | moshii | ^rob^: I've got glibc double free and pukes a backtrace on start |
| 13:52.24 | tarzeau | wols_: yes? well among others |
| 13:52.41 | NY-Ty | wols |
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| 13:52.46 | ^rob^ | my skype worked like a charm - |
| 13:52.48 | NY-Ty | please say command to me :\ |
| 13:52.50 | ^rob^ | now it does not |
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| 13:52.50 | wols_ | tarzeau: haven't found the others yet. so you use windowmaker as WM or something else? |
| 13:52.52 | NY-Ty | i cant scroll in console |
| 13:52.57 | wols_ | NY-Ty: man dpkg |
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| 13:52.59 | tarzeau | wols_: window maker |
| 13:53.13 | wols_ | NY-Ty: dpkg --force-help |more |
| 13:53.18 | moshii | FuzzyB: Where did I say I was surprised? I was simply trying to verify if this a problem with my system or the packages |
| 13:53.28 | deeler | hi .... when i do apt-get it recommends me some extra pckgs.... is there an apt-get argument to make it install these pckges? |
| 13:53.46 | wols_ | deeler: use aptitude instead |
| 13:53.52 | deeler | i like apt-get more |
| 13:54.17 | wols_ | I like ponies more. they don't help me installing recommended packages tho |
| 13:54.18 | NY-Ty | yeah |
| 13:54.20 | NY-Ty | i`m oke |
| 13:54.26 | deeler | :-p |
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| 13:54.54 | moshii | maybe I have a orrupt package somewhere :/ |
| 13:55.06 | NY-Ty | thx |
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| 13:58.26 | tibbe | what's the command to update python to the latest available version? |
| 13:58.44 | wols_ | man apt-get |
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| 13:59.42 | tibbe | wols_: well they have this confusing upgrade and update options |
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| 14:01.02 | wols_ | who is "they"? |
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| 14:02.17 | mcbane | how do i set kernel parameters? in Grub? |
| 14:02.18 | spyroboy | I really need to fix my sources.list and then di dist-upgrade |
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| 14:03.15 | spyroboy | I |
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| 14:03.56 | istirbu | try apt-spy if you have it already installed |
| 14:04.13 | spyroboy | I've got a question about the sources.list: if I have debian repos from both etch and testing components, will that collide? |
| 14:04.22 | istirbu | nope |
| 14:04.38 | istirbu | i have for all experimental, unstable and testing |
| 14:04.52 | spyroboy | oh |
| 14:04.58 | spyroboy | I heard that's a bad idea to mix them |
| 14:05.06 | istirbu | and my system is running unstable |
| 14:05.14 | istirbu | yup, one should not abuse |
| 14:05.23 | spyroboy | Mmm. |
| 14:05.32 | istirbu | all packages from experimental will eventually appear in unstable |
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| 14:05.42 | spyroboy | I see. |
| 14:05.50 | spyroboy | I guess I'd want unstable and testing. |
| 14:05.51 | sysfault | is there a way to have apt-get automatically install suggested pkgs? |
| 14:05.54 | wols_ | spyroboy: testing and etch is the same |
| 14:06.00 | spyroboy | oh. |
| 14:06.09 | wols_ | and no, mixing testing and usntable is a bad idea |
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| 14:06.18 | spyroboy | ah |
| 14:06.20 | spyroboy | Alright. |
| 14:06.22 | wols_ | so don't do it |
| 14:06.28 | spyroboy | wols_, but etch and testing is fine? |
| 14:06.52 | wols_ | etch or testing. cause etch and testing are currently the same. no need to have the same repos twice in your sources.list |
| 14:06.58 | streuner | !etch |
| 14:06.58 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 14:07.11 | spyroboy | O_o, ah right. |
| 14:07.38 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 14:07.38 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 14:08.27 | spyroboy | lmao |
| 14:08.31 | spyroboy | http://rafb.net/p/vyznV765.txt |
| 14:08.39 | spyroboy | that's my sources.list, I presume it's good. |
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| 14:08.46 | spyroboy | No redundancy or collisions? |
| 14:09.15 | streuner | line 1 and 2 are enough |
| 14:09.24 | streuner | comment those others |
| 14:09.29 | spyroboy | oh? |
| 14:09.36 | spyroboy | even multimedia? |
| 14:09.44 | istirbu | keep multimedia |
| 14:09.52 | wols_ | yes keep that |
| 14:09.58 | wols_ | but the first two lines are enough for etch |
| 14:09.59 | streuner | if you using 'testing' in sources.list it'll upgrade after etch release too.. |
| 14:10.04 | istirbu | top 3 lines are enought |
| 14:10.08 | wols_ | lose the rest and the thesting ones |
| 14:10.12 | spyroboy | oh |
| 14:10.13 | spyroboy | alright. |
| 14:10.15 | spyroboy | Thanks |
| 14:10.18 | craigevil | sysfault: aptitude can do that, dont think apt can |
| 14:10.20 | wols_ | yes first 3 |
| 14:10.42 | sysfault | sure thing |
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| 14:11.23 | spyroboy | thanks |
| 14:11.50 | spyroboy | Need to get 260MB of archives. |
| 14:11.50 | spyroboy | After unpacking 63.4MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 14:11.52 | spyroboy | haha.. |
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| 14:12.15 | spyroboy | I'm guessing most of it is upgrades and some are installs. |
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| 14:18.03 | torr | I wonder if webmin's can be access from the wan? |
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| 14:21.03 | wols_ | ixitixel: don't do that! |
| 14:21.11 | sep | torr, very few dare use webmin on the LAN, using it on the WAN would be madness |
| 14:21.14 | sep | webmin |
| 14:21.17 | sep | !webmin |
| 14:21.17 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 14:21.21 | ixitixel | wols_ what ?? |
| 14:21.27 | ixitixel | talking private to you ? |
| 14:21.53 | wols_ | yes. messaging anyone in here except the bot is frowned upon |
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| 14:22.45 | ixitixel | I yust have a short question ... I did not mean to insult anyone |
| 14:22.47 | ixitixel | I'm sorry |
| 14:23.05 | ixitixel | I wanted to build a new kernel on the etch system |
| 14:23.17 | ixitixel | but i cannot find any kernel-source packages in the etch tree |
| 14:23.22 | ixitixel | are they renamed ? |
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| 14:23.48 | wols_ | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 14:23.50 | stew | ixitixel: they are named linux-source-$version now |
| 14:24.09 | ixitixel | Oh thank you ... I youst couldn't find theam |
| 14:24.46 | ixitixel | Thank You |
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| 14:24.53 | restiz | hi all |
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| 14:28.23 | Boggie | Folks has any of you tried installing Debian over PPPOE? I tried enabling the ppp-udeb module using install modules = ppp-udeb but it doesnt accept that as boot parameters |
| 14:28.30 | Boggie | I am installing using the netinst CD image |
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| 14:29.31 | sysfault | How can i stop aptitude from trying to remove pkgs thats installed, because it complains about them being unused? |
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| 14:29.56 | Boggie | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds05.html i followed this guide but ... didnt work exactly as it's explained there. |
| 14:30.06 | wols_ | Boggie: the ~100MB netinst iso? |
| 14:30.15 | Boggie | yes |
| 14:30.20 | wols_ | you don't need it at boot. just install everything you have, ignore tasksel |
| 14:30.22 | Boggie | 105 megs or some such. |
| 14:30.31 | wols_ | at the end you have a system with pppoe and pppoeconfig there you can use |
| 14:30.40 | wols_ | then get your network and then run tasksel |
| 14:30.55 | stew | sysfault: the packages are marked as "auto-installed" you can unmark them with aptitudes "unmark" command. you can read more about this in the aptitude manual if you install aptitude-doc |
| 14:30.57 | Boggie | pppoeconfig ..didnt realise it comes with the base system. |
| 14:31.07 | sep | how can i increase the pinentry timout ? |
| 14:31.11 | Boggie | i'll give it a shot |
| 14:33.03 | x_link | I just opened KPackage and I see ALOT of files there. Is that all packages that I can install on my Debian Etch? |
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| 14:34.58 | pizza_biz | okay, problem. i just ran an update on a 3.1 box, and something broke rather horribly. i can't login, and i'm still su'd and each time i try to login i see some nasty PAM errors in auth.log -- any suggestions on how to fix without reinstalling? |
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| 14:35.05 | selam | hi all |
| 14:35.19 | selam | i have a problem with dvd rw device, |
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| 14:36.09 | selam | dvd rw support dvd burning with 16x but i can't burn 16 x , just 0.50 x |
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| 14:36.09 | selam | how can i fix this problem? |
| 14:36.18 | wols_ | selam: does your media support 16x burning? |
| 14:36.27 | selam | wols_: yes |
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| 14:37.04 | wols_ | do you run sarge? or etch? |
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| 14:37.24 | selam | 2.6.18-3-686 my kernel versiyon, i use k3b for burning, this my device "hdb: TSSTcorpCD/DVDW SH-S182D, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive", i am use unstable |
| 14:37.27 | selam | wols_: unstable |
| 14:37.30 | wols_ | you should probably use etch for DVD burning since sarge programs are >18 months old which can be quite a lot in DVD land |
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| 14:38.06 | Zapelius | Hi |
| 14:38.09 | moshii | selam: is your drives firmware the latest version? |
| 14:38.20 | Zapelius | How do I force a firewire ethernet device to a fixed device id, like eth1? Or force a sk98lin eth device to eth0 ? |
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| 14:38.34 | Zapelius | becouse now they are randomly swapping at boot time |
| 14:38.46 | selam | moshii: no, firmware is factory versiyon |
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| 14:39.12 | istirbu | look in /etc/modules.conf |
| 14:39.17 | moshii | selam: you may have to update to get your drive to allow 16x burning on that media |
| 14:39.27 | moshii | selam: that's how it used to be back in the day |
| 14:39.49 | istirbu | alias eth0 your_network_driver |
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| 14:40.01 | selam | moshii: but on ms win works with fine? |
| 14:40.39 | moshii | selam: you're using k3b? |
| 14:40.44 | selam | yes |
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| 14:41.14 | istirbu | Zapelius: also take a look here: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/manual3/modules.html |
| 14:41.15 | selam | moshii: and dma is on |
| 14:41.24 | Zapelius | istirbu, I'll try that, but will put that in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases, I quess |
| 14:41.27 | moshii | selam: I noticed that the burn speed drop down doesn't show some speeds, then I do something to check the media and they all appear |
| 14:42.15 | abrotman | udev rules |
| 14:44.58 | pizza_biz | this is a bad thing, isn't it? Mar 12 10:19:37 tech3 sshd[25050]: PAM [dlerror: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /lib/security/pam_limits.so)] |
| 14:45.17 | wols_ | yes. reinstall libc6 |
| 14:45.24 | selam | moshii: k3b show this speed 16x and i am select this speed, actualy k3b begin with 16 x but burn with 0.50 X |
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| 14:50.07 | pizza_biz | wols_: plan B? that didn't fix it. |
| 14:50.26 | wols_ | what version of libc6 did you install? |
| 14:50.49 | pizza_biz | apt says . . . Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org stable/main libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 [5029kB] |
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| 14:52.21 | stew | pizza_biz: what version of libpam-modules is installed? |
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| 14:52.37 | wols_ | have you reastarted your displaymanager and getty? |
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| 14:52.46 | wols_ | after updating libc6 that is? |
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| 14:52.56 | mcbane | i have a problem here. I made a net installation of debian. Everything worked fine. But after the reboot the network adapter isn't working anymore and I have no clue why. This is the syslog which I think is related to the problem: http://rafb.net/p/zHm3kA51.html |
| 14:52.56 | mcbane | can anybody help? |
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| 14:54.00 | pizza_biz | ahh. restarting ssh let me in. k, i feel stupid now. |
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| 14:54.12 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.36 | stew | mcbane: have you tried a cold boot? (turn the computer off completely, then back on) |
| 14:54.37 | FuzzyB | either in etc or var |
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| 14:54.49 | mcbane | stew: yes |
| 14:54.50 | FuzzyB | it's either /etc/crontab or /var/crontab |
| 14:54.53 | FuzzyB | or something like that |
| 14:54.53 | stew | Danielss89: /var/spool/cron/ |
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| 14:54.58 | wols_ | pizza_biz: libc6 tells you about this explicitly |
| 14:54.59 | FuzzyB | try that |
| 14:55.00 | mcbane | stew: I have also deactivated acpi |
| 14:55.17 | wols_ | mcbane: what NIC is this? |
| 14:55.33 | mcbane | wols_: soryy, what is a NIC? |
| 14:55.39 | wols_ | network card |
| 14:55.40 | stew | !nic |
| 14:55.40 | dpkg | nic is, like, (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
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| 14:56.05 | wols_ | could be some other device also uses that IEQ? |
| 14:56.08 | wols_ | *IRQ |
| 14:56.20 | FuzzyB | what is your problem wols_ |
| 14:56.25 | mcbane | wols_: it is a 10BaseT ethernet card (twisted pair) |
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| 14:56.57 | stew | mcbane: he was looking for make/model |
| 14:57.10 | FuzzyB | lspci doesn't give you enough info? |
| 14:57.27 | asd | hi all, we are looking for an !!!easy to configure!!! pop3 or IMAP Server. All it has to do is to deliver mail within the office (5 people). We don't need the server to connect to the www. Which one ist good to take? |
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| 14:57.42 | FuzzyB | cyrus |
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| 14:57.44 | pizza_biz | i sort of recall that message, and i thought it went through and determined what services would need to be restarted. i guess it didn't restart all of them. |
| 14:57.47 | FuzzyB | is pretty easy |
| 14:57.49 | wols_ | my main problem is that my OPÖ3 SA2 soundcard for no apparent reason loses its volume until it's finally only a whisper |
| 14:57.53 | mcbane | lspci, ok, i will check and bring the vendor of the card. I have to get 10 doors down, so it will take some minutes, |
| 14:58.04 | asd | FuzzyB: thx |
| 14:58.09 | wols_ | FuzzyB: cyrus is NOT easy |
| 14:58.19 | FuzzyB | i never had an issue with it |
| 14:58.19 | wols_ | asd: use courier or dovecot |
| 14:58.24 | FuzzyB | i found it easier than postfix |
| 14:58.30 | FuzzyB | oh excuse me |
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| 14:58.32 | FuzzyB | he's right courier |
| 14:58.37 | FuzzyB | i'm tired as hell |
| 14:58.41 | wols_ | postfix is not a imap server |
| 14:58.47 | FuzzyB | i know |
| 14:58.52 | FuzzyB | but when you do pop/imap |
| 14:59.00 | FuzzyB | you usually do smtp as well |
| 14:59.19 | wols_ | asd: tbh, a mailserver is never easy |
| 14:59.26 | FuzzyB | ditto |
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| 14:59.51 | asd | wols_: I know, but I was hoping you know one I don't know of. |
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| 14:59.55 | FuzzyB | asd: http://trekweb.com/~jasonb/articles/exim_maildir_imap.html |
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| 15:01.34 | asd | FuzzyB: thanks for the link. Is imap or pop3 the better choise. (We just sit all day at the same desk) |
| 15:01.50 | karmatronic | asd: imap |
| 15:01.52 | FuzzyB | 6 of one half dozen of the other |
| 15:02.09 | nukes | hey all, is it possible to use a DVDRW instead of a CDRW for the netinst? I've gone out to do an install and don't have any more media (made another coaster this morning though) |
| 15:02.21 | cast | nukes: yes. |
| 15:02.21 | asd | ok, thx for the help |
| 15:02.23 | Zao | nukes: Yup. |
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| 15:02.26 | nukes | great |
| 15:02.42 | nukes | still with the same 159mb iso? |
| 15:02.45 | Zao | Yes. |
| 15:02.50 | nukes | great ;) |
| 15:02.56 | Zao | CD images can be burnt as-is to DVD. |
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| 15:03.12 | wols_ | asd: imap is better for the central backup alone |
| 15:04.04 | wols_ | asd: what client do you use? outlook often has strange ideas how imap should be used. typical for MS |
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| 15:04.30 | asd | wols_: thunderbird on Mac OSX |
| 15:04.58 | wols_ | tbird is ok |
| 15:05.26 | hehehe | is there any one from lebanon here? |
| 15:05.54 | asd | wols_: do I get this right with IMAP the mails are stored only on the server or also within the client? |
| 15:06.21 | wols_ | only on the server. usually headers are copied to the clients for caching purposes |
| 15:06.36 | stew | asd: it depends on the client |
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| 15:06.59 | asd | stew: we use thunderbird |
| 15:07.19 | wols_ | imap has 3 modes: online, offline and disconnected |
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| 15:07.26 | stew | wols_: no it doesn't |
| 15:07.32 | FuzzyB | working, non-working, and sorta |
| 15:07.32 | wols_ | tbird is as I described |
| 15:07.36 | wols_ | stew: what then? |
| 15:08.10 | stew | wols_: there is nothing like that in IMAP unless you are talking specifically about thunderbird's specific implementation of an IMAP client |
| 15:08.31 | asd | Why in hell did I say to my colleges that I will configure the mail system :( |
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| 15:09.21 | Wolfete | hi |
| 15:09.26 | cast | asd: so you didn't get stuck with using exchange webmail |
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| 15:10.49 | asd | we use sarge as a fileserver. now we installed phprojekt which sents emails to the users. So we need a mailserver in order to use this feature |
| 15:10.59 | wols_ | stew: http://www.imap.org/imap.vs.pop.html |
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| 15:11.31 | wols_ | however I onl know one mailclient that does disconnected mode |
| 15:11.32 | nukes | yeah |
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| 15:11.42 | nukes | nero isn't letting me burn this image to a dvdr |
| 15:12.01 | jahshua | hey can someone help me out with changing my login manager from gdm to entrance please? i cant recall how to do it.. |
| 15:12.02 | wols_ | nukes: it does |
| 15:12.15 | wols_ | jahshua: uninstall gdm, install entrance? |
| 15:12.28 | wij32 | what is entrance? |
| 15:12.31 | jahshua | wols: i have entrance installed already. |
| 15:12.45 | wols_ | deinstall gdm, dpkg-reconfigure entrance |
| 15:12.55 | asd | thx again for your input. Can't wait. Hope it is soon weekend :) so I can do this. I have to go. cu |
| 15:12.56 | nukes | "this media is not the correct type for the image. required cdr/rw. provided: dvdr" |
| 15:12.59 | wols_ | wij32: E displaymanager |
| 15:13.01 | jahshua | okay, thank you. |
| 15:13.28 | stew | wols_: what do you want me to read from there? |
| 15:13.34 | wols_ | nukes: you burnt as CD, you need to burn as DVD |
| 15:13.45 | disasm | oddd... I've done all the updates available (have security in sources.list and running sarge), and tzdump -v|grep 2007 still shows april for dst changes, any ideas? |
| 15:13.48 | wij32 | jahshua: can i ask why you are changing from gdm? |
| 15:14.01 | wols_ | stew: note how it speaks of online, offline and disconnected mode |
| 15:14.03 | enouf | jahshua: you should need to uninstalll anything |
| 15:14.04 | nukes | doh |
| 15:14.04 | sohmestra | does find support regex grouping? e.g. find / -regex '.*(foo|bar)' ? It doesn't seem to be working for me, but I'm curious whether it is _supposed_ to or not. |
| 15:14.07 | wols_ | as does RFC2060 |
| 15:14.09 | nukes | I'm an idiot lol |
| 15:14.21 | enouf | jahshua: you shouldn't * |
| 15:14.31 | disasm | the really odd thing is I upgraded 50 machines, of which 47 have the correct time zone |
| 15:14.35 | wols_ | with pop3 only doing offline and how using offline mode only with imap is overkill |
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| 15:14.40 | Edward_TLS | is there a inventory like system witch I can install on my serversk witch will show me detailed info on my servers.. (cpu, mem, disks ect ect...apache version tomcat jdk ect ect) |
| 15:14.45 | Edward_TLS | sorry |
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| 15:15.38 | stew | wols_: there is no offline or disconnected mode in IMAP. its something that can be implemented by an imap client or a pop client however |
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| 15:17.00 | jahshua | enouf: yeh i cant just dpkg-reconfigure entrance right? |
| 15:17.07 | Vart | Hello all, I am new in debian, my computer is connected to internet throw eth1 and to local network throw eth0, how to configure my system to use NAT so that local area would have internet? |
| 15:17.21 | enouf | jahshua: yep .. should be |
| 15:17.26 | wols_ | Vart: install ipmasq |
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| 15:17.32 | Boggie | Well so much for pppoeconf |
| 15:17.41 | wols_ | Boggie: what happaned? |
| 15:17.45 | enouf | jahshua: i know it works that way with x/g/kdm anyway |
| 15:17.54 | Boggie | wols_: I tried using pppoeconf for debian but it doesnt seem to like non ADSL pppoe connections |
| 15:17.57 | jahshua | okay |
| 15:18.04 | hatta | Vart, follow this tutorial |
| 15:18.07 | hatta | http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/iptables-tutorial.html |
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| 15:18.27 | hatta | the rc.firewall script they have is very nice |
| 15:18.33 | Boggie | my network cable is plugged directly into the computer and goes out of my apartment... |
| 15:18.42 | mcbane | wols_ stew : I have written down the lspci output here: http://rafb.net/p/5f9Cah22.html |
| 15:18.43 | Boggie | no luck with it.. pppoeconf just hangs |
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| 15:19.30 | Vart | hatta, holy ... this tutorial is BIG! in windows I've done what I want with only one pressing of mouse :-P |
| 15:19.42 | wols_ | Vart: apt-gte install ipmasq and you're done |
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| 15:20.04 | disasm | hmmm... well it's fixed, some reason dpkg-reconfigure libc6 fixed it |
| 15:20.10 | wols_ | and if you want a caching DNS and DHCP server, use dnsmasq |
| 15:21.31 | Boggie | I may as well give up as pppoeconf only works with ADSL which i dont have |
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| 15:23.27 | Boggie | any other ideas on what one could do folks? |
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| 15:24.49 | xjkx | how do i know where is my java_home |
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| 15:25.17 | wols_ | find / -name *bin/java* ? |
| 15:25.28 | stew | xjkx: "dpkg -L java-package-name | grep /usr/lib" |
| 15:25.30 | Danielss89 | can i merge to text crontab files together? |
| 15:25.35 | mcbane | wols_: I have written down the lspci output here: http://rafb.net/p/5f9Cah22.html |
| 15:25.53 | Danielss89 | ive got a backup of one and i want to take that and copy it into my new crontab file |
| 15:25.59 | mcbane | wols_: remember? the guy where the ethernet adapter doesn't work |
| 15:26.04 | wols_ | mcbane: a tulip card is not 10mbit ethernet afaik |
| 15:26.16 | smimp | it looks like something didn't remove the /dpkg lock file.. i've checked for apt-get, aptitude and dselect.. anything else i might want to look for before removing the lock? |
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| 15:26.25 | wols_ | can you try another slot perhaps? |
| 15:26.39 | wols_ | apart from that I can't see why it wouldn't work, except hardware failure |
| 15:26.39 | stew | smimp: debconf / dpkg / dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:26.42 | mcbane | wols_: I have already placed the card in another slot |
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| 15:26.52 | xjkx | stew, i dont know java's package name |
| 15:27.10 | krazykit | smimp: synaptic, gnome-package-add, ksynaptic as well. |
| 15:27.10 | stew | xjkx: how did you install java? |
| 15:27.12 | wij32 | is tomcat available by apt-get? |
| 15:27.16 | stew | wij32: yes |
| 15:27.19 | xjkx | on apt-get :] |
| 15:27.23 | wols_ | xjkx: dpkg -l |grep java |
| 15:27.25 | stew | xjkx: do you know which java you installed? sun's? blackdown? kaffe? gcj? |
| 15:27.34 | mcbane | wols_: thank you for your time and effort. |
| 15:27.37 | xjkx | sun i think |
| 15:27.44 | wij32 | cool |
| 15:27.57 | xjkx | sun-java5-bin |
| 15:27.59 | stew | wij32: apt-cache search --names-only tomcat |
| 15:28.14 | smimp | stew, krazykit thanks |
| 15:28.24 | wij32 | ah, thanks for that |
| 15:28.56 | Boggie | wols_: I tried using pppoeconf for debian but it doesnt seem to like non ADSL pppoe connections. it hangs while trying to find the 'Access Concentrator' |
| 15:29.01 | rgsteele | Hm, anybody know of a good source of info for WLAN cards supported by the Linux kernel? |
| 15:29.04 | wols_ | mcbane: if on the other side of that tulip card is a fast ethernet gizmo, I'd say the card id broken |
| 15:29.07 | Boggie | any idea what could be wrong? |
| 15:29.13 | stew | xjkx: then "dpkg -L sun-java5-bin" will hemp identify your JAVA_HOME which is probably something like /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.06 |
| 15:29.26 | xjkx | thanks |
| 15:29.33 | wols_ | Boggie: what do you use then if not ADSL? |
| 15:29.51 | Boggie | it's a fiber optic connection.. or so the ISP claims. |
| 15:29.58 | wij32 | am i wrong in thinking that you do not need apache web server if your running tomcat? as tomcat is a webserver in its own right listening on port 8080 for example? |
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| 15:30.01 | Boggie | I dont have any routers or adsl modems or anything |
| 15:30.13 | smimp | rgsteele: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ .. that used to be a good source .. a couple years ago.. not sure if its been kept up to date or anything |
| 15:30.21 | wols_ | Boggie: you still need a modem for that somewhere |
| 15:30.25 | Boggie | the network cable goes directly into the computer |
| 15:30.32 | wols_ | cause ethernet sure as heck is not fiberoptic :) |
| 15:30.41 | Boggie | well i dont know what it is |
| 15:30.43 | Boggie | \ |
| 15:30.50 | wols_ | does it work under say, windosw? |
| 15:30.50 | mcbane | wols_: what would that mean, if the card ID is broken? And it is a 10 baseT card. It has both, a coax and an rj45 connector |
| 15:31.22 | Boggie | Yes. Windows workls |
| 15:31.23 | wij32 | am i wrong in thinking that you do not need apache web server if your running tomcat? as tomcat is a webserver in its own right listening on port 8080 for example? |
| 15:31.24 | wols_ | mcbane: lspci -v then. I thought all tulip were 100MBit cards. what chip is on that board? |
| 15:31.25 | Boggie | works |
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| 15:31.41 | Boggie | i am on it as we speak as it's on this very same machine |
| 15:31.41 | thnee | is an elf binary compiled on freebsd supposed to work on debian or might it use some syscalls or something that isnt linked statically that differs? |
| 15:31.47 | wols_ | Boggie: configure without pppoeconf then. it's just a "wizard" |
| 15:31.59 | wols_ | you can edit your ppp config files directly |
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| 15:32.17 | Boggie | i really dont know how to do those.. i'm still a newbie when it comes to setting up Linux |
| 15:32.24 | Boggie | i'm scared of ruining things. |
| 15:32.28 | mcbane | wols_: I have to go downstairs again to take a look. It will take me a moment ... |
| 15:32.35 | wols_ | mcbane: no |
| 15:32.40 | wols_ | mcbane: lspci -v |
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| 15:33.03 | mcbane | wols_: yes, but the debian where the card is broken is downstairs. |
| 15:33.29 | wols_ | Boggie: you cannot ruin computers unless you drop them down from great height or set them on fire |
| 15:33.37 | tarzeau | thnee: do you know that there's debian gnu/kfreebsd in #gnu-kbsd ? |
| 15:33.59 | Boggie | well i'd ruin the system anyway |
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| 15:34.19 | wols_ | that'd only mean a debian reinstall at the worst |
| 15:34.27 | wols_ | hardly a big problem right now |
| 15:34.28 | thnee | tarzeau: i do not know of this |
| 15:34.36 | wols_ | thnee: now you do |
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| 15:34.50 | thnee | im not sure that this is what im looking for |
| 15:35.02 | Boggie | well with no internet access the system is pretty much useless. i wont be able to install X and possibly a desktop |
| 15:35.16 | wols_ | well, BSD has a linux compatibility wrapper, while I haven't heard of such a thing ever for linux |
| 15:35.47 | tarzeau | wols_: the thing is there's debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 15:35.47 | FuzzyB | you've never heard of the kernel binary compability layer? |
| 15:35.50 | thnee | ive gotten a binary that is compiled on a freebsd system and and do not get the expected results on debian, im just wondering if this is normal or not |
| 15:36.05 | tarzeau | thnee: yes you can't run freebsd binaries on a linux system |
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| 15:36.56 | wols_ | yes it's normal |
| 15:37.03 | thnee | tarzeau: allright, thanks, what is it that might differ? the binary format is elf? so is it some syscall or something, the program is compiled with -N so it should have everything linkde statically? |
| 15:37.23 | tarzeau | thnee: it's completely different |
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| 15:37.25 | wols_ | syscalls are different yes |
| 15:37.36 | disasm | well... this is rather interesting... If I copy the proper libc6 to the machine and use dpkg -i to install, it says: dpkg - warning: downgrading libc6-dev from 2.3.2.ds1-22.1 to 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 - change in versioning numbers somewhere along the way maybe? |
| 15:37.37 | tarzeau | thnee: freebsd have their own bsd c library. and debian uses the gnu c library |
| 15:37.42 | JarJarBinks|uni | does anybody know of a abbreviation dictionary like wtf from bsdgames, but just a dictionary with more abreviationsf |
| 15:37.45 | tarzeau | thnee: just get the sources and compile it again |
| 15:38.05 | thnee | tarzeau: yea ok, thanks again |
| 15:38.20 | krazykit | i dd'd a copy of an ntfs partition to a file, but it's only a partial image. i cannot loop mount said image due to an "attempt to access beyond end of device". is there any way to force mount this, ignoring the errors? |
| 15:38.50 | thnee | also, i echo $?, this is the return code of the program right? what does 255 mean? |
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| 15:39.05 | tarzeau | thnee: some error |
| 15:39.13 | tarzeau | thnee: check the source or manual page for a description |
| 15:39.19 | tarzeau | thnee: 0 means, all went fine (usually) |
| 15:39.30 | thnee | the program never returns 255, so it has to be from some system thingie |
| 15:39.44 | tarzeau | thnee: does it return -1 ? |
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| 15:40.41 | thnee | echo $? says 255 i dont know if this is a unsigned -1 |
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| 15:41.25 | tarzeau | thnee: can you look at the source code? |
| 15:42.35 | thnee | tarzeau: yes |
| 15:42.56 | giorgian | hi; i've a testing; today i updated dpkg, apt, apt-utils etc., and now apt-get -f install |
| 15:42.57 | thnee | thats why i know the program doesnt return 255 itself |
| 15:43.45 | giorgian | hi; i've a testing; today i updated dpkg, apt, apt-utils etc., and now apt-get -f install lists ALL my packages, saying they're missing their dependences, and ends with: E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. |
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| 15:45.37 | wols_ | it most probably has a return -1; |
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| 15:47.02 | drummer_wilson | just wondering guys.. can i just install several distros into different flash disks and boot them from there? |
| 15:47.19 | drummer_wilson | flash usb |
| 15:47.45 | tarzeau | thnee: is the source public? |
| 15:47.45 | mcbane | wols_: lspci -v says: http://rafb.net/p/CVjR6c28.html |
| 15:48.23 | stew | disasm: 2.3.2.ds1-22.1 was never in sarge, i don't know if it was ever in debian. that is in fact a downgrade (though, one i'd recommend since the package you are downgrading to is probably newer) |
| 15:48.44 | thnee | tarzeau: i guess, you wanna look? |
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| 15:49.55 | wols_ | drummer_wilson: depends on your BIOS if it can boot from USB flash sticks. some can, some cant |
| 15:50.10 | wols_ | mcbane: sounds strange it being only normal ethernet and all |
| 15:50.27 | wols_ | mcbane: is this a PC or an alpha? |
| 15:51.25 | mcbane | wols_: it is a normal standard PC. And it is really strange that I was able to make a netinstall with the card and now it doesn't work. |
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| 15:52.35 | tarzeau | thnee: if i had the time, yes. |
| 15:52.41 | Peggerr | does anyone know of a program that I can have clients install as a wrapper that will check say weekely to see if there are updates to a installed software program, I am looking for mulitipule os's linux, win, mac |
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| 15:53.53 | wols_ | mcbane: try a different kernel? |
| 15:54.06 | mcbane | wols_: i have tried the 2.4 kernel, same problem |
| 15:54.23 | mcbane | wols_: now it is running with the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:54.34 | wols_ | but same problem? |
| 15:54.48 | mcbane | wols_: yes, exactly the same |
| 15:55.04 | FuzzyB | that's a DEC alpha part # |
| 15:55.07 | FuzzyB | that's a tulip chip |
| 15:55.15 | FuzzyB | or an intel chip |
| 15:55.17 | wols_ | start the install again and then go into 2nd virtual console and check what driver it uses with lsmod |
| 15:55.26 | FuzzyB | but i bet dollars to doughnuts that's a tulip |
| 15:55.28 | wols_ | perhaps it hcnaged to the wrong driver for some reason now? |
| 15:55.49 | wols_ | udev doing tricks or whatever |
| 15:56.02 | mcbane | wols_: I have no idea how to check that |
| 15:56.20 | thnee | tarzeau: http://fernando.bsnet.se/~thnee/programmering/c/dvb031/boldt_encrypt/runtime_encrypt.c if you get the time then |
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| 15:56.29 | FuzzyB | mcbane: does your dmesg say anything relivant? |
| 15:56.48 | mcbane | I have to check, I'll be back in a moment :) |
| 15:57.01 | wols_ | 2nd console. run lsmod and see wht driver(s) are loaded while installing |
| 15:57.07 | wols_ | compare with lsmod output right now |
| 15:57.13 | bzed | drummer_wilson: also I had usb stick you could not boot from, although the bios supported booting from usb sticks. worked well with other sticks.... |
| 15:57.17 | FuzzyB | wols_: it should be the tulip driver |
| 15:57.43 | FuzzyB | which is probally tulip.ko |
| 15:58.06 | FuzzyB | de2104x.ko |
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| 15:58.14 | FuzzyB | mcbane make sure that's getting loaded |
| 15:58.15 | wols_ | yes, but there are a ton of those drivers |
| 15:58.19 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 15:58.23 | FuzzyB | it'a a dec nic |
| 15:58.26 | wols_ | and what makes me suspicious is that it's a 10MBit connection |
| 15:58.30 | FuzzyB | yea |
| 15:58.31 | wols_ | and has coax connectors |
| 15:58.32 | FuzzyB | it's an old card |
| 15:58.34 | FuzzyB | old old |
| 15:58.38 | FuzzyB | origional tulip |
| 15:58.41 | FuzzyB | direct from dec |
| 15:58.43 | wols_ | I thought tulip were (one of the first) fast ethernet |
| 15:58.47 | FuzzyB | no |
| 15:58.49 | FuzzyB | not at first |
| 15:58.53 | mcbane | FuzzyB: yeah, it is from 1993 |
| 15:59.03 | wols_ | so they made it fast ethernet and kept the name? stupid |
| 15:59.06 | FuzzyB | mcbane: you like a broke student or something? |
| 15:59.10 | wols_ | thought only WLAN companies did that |
| 15:59.28 | FuzzyB | Wols_: they also said unix was snake oil |
| 15:59.59 | FuzzyB | mcbane: do you have another nic? |
| 16:00.01 | wols_ | if you compare it to VMS, it probably is :) |
| 16:00.20 | mcbane | FuzzyB: yes I am a student and live in a students' hostel with 300 residents. The computer I am working on is expected to do server tasks in the future |
| 16:00.31 | FuzzyB | not with that network card you will |
| 16:01.01 | wols_ | for WAN, 10Mbit is enough :) |
| 16:01.07 | FuzzyB | no |
| 16:01.10 | FuzzyB | your missing my point |
| 16:01.11 | wols_ | I use my DSL modem on a 8029 realtek |
| 16:01.16 | FuzzyB | in the early tulips |
| 16:01.22 | FuzzyB | they were really poor |
| 16:01.32 | mcbane | FuzzyB: the big task is doing a DELL with a gigabit card. The pc I am working on now is only for little tasks |
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| 16:02.02 | FuzzyB | mcbane: yes but that machine deserves a nic better than that |
| 16:02.05 | mcbane | i go downstairs now. See you in a couple of minutes |
| 16:02.10 | FuzzyB | ok |
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| 16:02.34 | Noboru | I wonder what specs of debian own's apt servers :) |
| 16:03.26 | FuzzyB | my guess |
| 16:03.32 | FuzzyB | is they are something similar to dell 2550's |
| 16:04.18 | Noboru | FuzzyB, :D |
| 16:04.19 | wols_ | but certainly no delss :) |
| 16:04.22 | wols_ | at least not debian.org :) |
| 16:04.40 | wols_ | *dells |
| 16:04.47 | FuzzyB | something similar i said |
| 16:04.52 | FuzzyB | or |
| 16:05.04 | serialpinguin | Hello all, I have just complied and install apache2.2.4 ,, and i want be able to start it automatically at boot time,, is there anyone that can suggest a doc on how to do this? |
| 16:05.17 | FuzzyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.19 | istirbu | look in /etc/init.d |
| 16:05.26 | FuzzyB | or edit the init.d file for apache 2.0 |
| 16:05.29 | istirbu | there is a sample file |
| 16:05.57 | wols_ | no, not rc.local |
| 16:06.10 | wols_ | !tell serialpinguin about sysvinit |
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| 16:08.09 | istirbu | or just get a deb archive for apache httpd server and look at startup scripts |
| 16:08.09 | istirbu | you'd better use debian toolchain to build directly debs |
| 16:08.10 | istirbu | apt-get source the package |
| 16:08.10 | istirbu | add your preferred options |
| 16:08.10 | istirbu | and build a deb |
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| 16:08.10 | serialpinguin | istirbu, were might this sample file be,, that I need to use in /etc/init.d ? |
| 16:08.10 | serialpinguin | compiling from source does not add this file. |
| 16:08.25 | hark | rc.local's ok for >= etch |
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| 16:08.48 | istirbu | wtf? |
| 16:08.59 | istirbu | i've been kicked out for pasting |
| 16:09.16 | istirbu | do they know about touchtyping? |
| 16:09.33 | ayam | no they dont :p |
| 16:09.39 | craigevil | more than 4 lines in a certain time |
| 16:09.46 | istirbu | crap |
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| 16:10.11 | hark | istirbu: /msg dpkg enter ;) |
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| 16:10.28 | wols_ | serialpinguin: if you create a deb from deb sources, you will have the init script |
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| 16:11.26 | istirbu | serialpinguin: the startup script is included within the patch that is downloaded along with the source package. |
| 16:12.12 | istirbu | just google for apt-build |
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| 16:12.43 | Nemoder | anyone know of a linux app that can open MS Publisher .pub files? |
| 16:12.45 | Voyagerg | Hi, using sudo, what is the way to get root with the passwd of a normal user? |
| 16:13.16 | serialpinguin | thx guys |
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| 16:13.35 | xBill | voyager: sudo -s |
| 16:13.44 | xBill | +g, sry |
| 16:13.56 | exobyte | I plugged in an sata hdd, but it didn't show up in dmesg or /dev. I installed hotplug and tried again, but again, no luck |
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| 16:14.30 | xand | exobyte: does the controller show up? |
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| 16:15.51 | exobyte | xand: not sure, but I already have one sata drive working in the system |
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| 16:17.18 | xand | exobyte: on the same controller? |
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| 16:17.38 | exobyte | xand: not sure- no block diagram of the board |
| 16:17.41 | wij32 | should my JAVA_HOME contain the /bin aswell? or should it just be /opt/jdk1.6.0? |
| 16:18.24 | aadil | /opt/jdk should be fine |
| 16:18.33 | exobyte | xand: I seem to have the right number of ataX devices that support sata for the number of ports I have |
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| 16:20.08 | Azar | interesting article, Debian is mentioned as well: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312 |
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| 16:20.39 | Azar | aw dpkg left us.. |
| 16:20.42 | exobyte | Azar: If this was digg and s/debian/ubuntu/, it would be on the front page |
| 16:20.59 | Azar | eh... |
| 16:21.10 | exobyte | xand: I tried switching it to another port- nothing |
| 16:21.18 | stew | !status |
| 16:21.18 | dpkg | Since Mon Mar 12 11:05:03 2007, there have been 2 modifications, 45 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 12 commands. I have been awake for 5h 16m 15s this session, and currently reference 37201 factoids. I'm using about 13736 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 33.42/1.48 child 0/0 |
| 16:21.34 | Azar | that for the community to see things are still better than in other places |
| 16:21.34 | exobyte | xand: oh, I haven't restarted since I started hotplug |
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| 16:22.45 | lechef | is there a way to install freetype2 via debian? |
| 16:23.18 | stew | lechef: aptitude install libfreetype6 |
| 16:23.32 | lechef | ok thanks |
| 16:24.06 | mcbane | wols_: I think i found the module. It is "de4x5". It is loaded while the install, but not when it is being rebooted |
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| 16:28.00 | Azar | aw nice , Musix GNU+Linux 0.99 gonna be on Etch |
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| 16:31.51 | aadil | now that would be NICE |
| 16:31.52 | aadil | imho |
| 16:31.56 | aadil | :) |
| 16:32.17 | aadil | would sure liven the default install on our client's machines too |
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| 16:32.27 | aadil | here at work |
| 16:32.28 | aadil | heh |
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| 16:34.18 | yos87 | Hi |
| 16:34.19 | apt_get | Hi |
| 16:34.43 | yos87 | I have question, what is the best IBM Laptop to run Debian? |
| 16:35.25 | amphi | yos87: it runs well on my T42, and they're cheap on ebay these days |
| 16:35.25 | apt_get | in Bootsplash I can have a splash background screen... with splashy, how do the same? |
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| 16:36.14 | yos87 | amphi: do you have idea if it work on T60? |
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| 16:36.37 | amphi | yos87: I expect so - look at thinkwiki.org perhaps |
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| 16:37.09 | BigFishy | LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
| 16:37.10 | yos87 | amphi: I did , they don't talk very well whitch laptop is well |
| 16:37.11 | BigFishy | LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
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| 16:37.21 | yos87 | they just solve the troubles of the dirvers |
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| 16:37.28 | BigFishy | LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
| 16:37.30 | BigFishy | LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
| 16:37.32 | BigFishy | LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
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| 16:37.40 | yos87 | but they don't say what the best running deb |
| 16:38.43 | yos87 | I have fujitsu siemens laptop, it doesn't work at all here, |
| 16:39.13 | Galga | Rob Levin ? |
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| 16:39.41 | yos87 | amphi: I'll need to buy the T42 as your experience, I will not try one more time case I cannot return |
| 16:39.46 | wols_ | stew: can't you remove this idiot? |
| 16:39.52 | bzed | !dpkg ops <BigFishy> LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
| 16:39.52 | dpkg | bzed: what are you talking about? |
| 16:39.57 | bzed | uh? |
| 16:40.06 | wols_ | !ops <BigFishy> LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
| 16:40.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols_ complains about: <BigFishy> LOL Rob Levin is dead! |
| 16:40.11 | aadil | who's Rob levin? |
| 16:40.20 | bzed | !lart bzed |
| 16:40.20 | yos87 | ans also, here all laptops come's with the windows license, they don't without os laptops |
| 16:40.26 | wols_ | founder of this network |
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| 16:41.39 | amphi | yos87: just fdisk it away ;) |
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| 16:42.35 | yos87 | amphi: hehe, they don't return if it opened |
| 16:42.41 | amphi | yos87: why does your fujitsu not work? did you look at linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org ? |
| 16:42.59 | mcbane | wols_: I think I have found the error. The network card uses the module de2104x which isn't suitable. de4x5 should be used. How do i tell linux to use module de4x5 instead of module de2104x for the network adapter? |
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| 16:43.14 | yos87 | amphi: I did, my laptop version is no there ! |
| 16:43.25 | amphi | yos87: is it a very new model? |
| 16:43.33 | yos87 | yes, new |
| 16:43.45 | yos87 | amphi: it works, But not very well at all |
| 16:43.47 | amphi | yos87: send it to me, I'll get it to work ;) |
| 16:44.04 | yos87 | amphi: I try alot amphi !! |
| 16:44.12 | amphi | yos87: what doesn't work? |
| 16:44.22 | Phil|Away | I just bought a russian Debian server, and some stuff, df for example is in Russian |
| 16:44.29 | Phil|Away | how would I go about changing that? |
| 16:44.35 | yos87 | amphi: for example, when you want to make setup, keyboard will not work at all |
| 16:44.40 | mcbane | I have a problem with a network adapter. It uses the wrong kernel module (de2104x instead of de4x5). How do i tell debian to use the other module for the network adapter? |
| 16:44.49 | yos87 | amphi: then you need to change the boot option to let it work |
| 16:44.54 | yos87 | amphi: no modem |
| 16:44.55 | craigevil | yos87: try running one of the livecds like knoppix, kanotix, sidux on it. |
| 16:45.00 | amphi | yos87: what boot option? |
| 16:45.21 | amphi | yos87: you install etch on it? |
| 16:45.29 | yos87 | amphi: I forget what I choosen, But when you press F3 it will give more boot options |
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| 16:45.55 | yos87 | amphi: I don't want knoppix or other |
| 16:46.10 | amphi | yos87: I wouldn't dream of making such a suggestion ;) |
| 16:46.14 | yos87 | amphi: another example, no bettery support |
| 16:46.35 | yos87 | amphi: and more and more |
| 16:46.38 | craigevil | nor was I, but if the livecd that is debian based will run ok, then debian will install and run ok |
| 16:46.47 | amphi | yos87: what do you mean? what 'battery support' do you want? |
| 16:46.57 | Phil|Away | hmmm, found dpkg-reconfigure locales, but which should I choose: "en_GB ISO-8859-1" "en_GB.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15" "en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8"? |
| 16:47.06 | yos87 | amphi: no bettery metter |
| 16:47.22 | amphi | yos87: what does 'acpi -b' say? |
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| 16:47.56 | yos87 | amphi: But I'm not running deb on the laptop now, I go back to use windows |
| 16:47.59 | Azar | Phil|Away: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:48.01 | yos87 | I re format it |
| 16:48.04 | Guerin | yos87: you lose. |
| 16:48.12 | Phil|Away | Azar: <Phil|Away> hmmm, found dpkg-reconfigure locales, but which should I choose: "en_GB ISO-8859-1" "en_GB.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15" "en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8"? |
| 16:48.15 | yos87 | Guerin: lose what |
| 16:48.16 | amphi | yos87: you should have tried harder ;) |
| 16:48.20 | hark | yos87: you haven't tried enough |
| 16:48.27 | yos87 | amphi: and also, the usb is very very slow |
| 16:48.29 | Guerin | yos87: the game of life. |
| 16:48.29 | Azar | oh en_GB is british |
| 16:48.36 | Phil|Away | yes, I'm British |
| 16:48.43 | Phil|Away | I want to know which of the above 3 I need |
| 16:48.55 | yos87 | Guerin: don't say that, I have more chance if I listen to amphi to bye the T42 |
| 16:48.58 | istirbu | en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 16:49.09 | Phil|Away | ok, ty |
| 16:49.12 | yos87 | hark: I try alot! |
| 16:49.49 | Guerin | yos87: t42 is a superb machine, amd works awesomely with debian. |
| 16:49.49 | Phil|Away | does that need a reboot? |
| 16:49.49 | yos87 | hark : I try debian-help.org and I try to post in the laptop site |
| 16:50.08 | amphi | yos87: my T42 pretty much worked outta the box; the winmodem needs the linuxant driver, unless you can get alsa to drive it, which I couldn't |
| 16:50.13 | yos87 | Guerin: what superb? |
| 16:50.14 | hark | what model is it? |
| 16:50.15 | Phil|Away | oh, nevermind |
| 16:50.21 | Phil|Away | didn't unselect the old language also |
| 16:50.40 | Guerin | yos87: superb means very good |
| 16:50.52 | yos87 | hark: amilo 3040 |
| 16:51.00 | Azar | wow superb, this is a first I hear from Guerin |
| 16:51.37 | yos87 | sorry guys, I couldn't recongnize the Superb |
| 16:51.50 | Azar | bad command or missing file? |
| 16:52.24 | yos87 | file courrepted might be better |
| 16:52.24 | wols_ | !tell mcbane about blacklist |
| 16:52.26 | Phil|Away | hmmm, ok, now that this is English... I have a dilemma |
| 16:52.33 | wols_ | and put the proper module in /etc/modules |
| 16:52.35 | Phil|Away | will a box that can run sarge, be able to run Etch? |
| 16:52.49 | wols_ | Phil|Away: usually yes. |
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| 16:52.58 | Azar | Phil|Away: sure if the box is not awfully old |
| 16:52.58 | yos87 | where are you from amphi? |
| 16:52.58 | Phil|Away | since I'd like to use etch, just by doing a dist-upgrade, but if it messes up, I have to pay for a reinstall |
| 16:52.59 | mcbane | thanks wols_ |
| 16:53.01 | wols_ | the main sticking point could be memory. might need a bit more |
| 16:53.06 | Phil|Away | it's a 1.6 p4 |
| 16:53.15 | wols_ | that can run etch |
| 16:53.16 | Azar | Phil|Away: read the release notes |
| 16:53.23 | Phil|Away | ok, thanks |
| 16:53.42 | Azar | Phil|Away: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 16:53.48 | Phil|Away | cheers |
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| 16:57.49 | Naked | I have a really odd problem - for some reason the exact same fonts look different and are of different sizes in another machine - both are running debian unstable and both have the font package installed |
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| 16:58.29 | Azar | Naked: monitor resolution maybe? |
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| 16:58.46 | Naked | Azar: the X logs show that both show 96 as the DPI |
| 16:59.03 | wols_ | Naked: TFS? with different reoslutions? |
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| 16:59.16 | Naked | Azar: and in any case, the difference is in the wrong direction - the fonts are smaller on the smaller monitor |
| 16:59.17 | Azar | Naked: or maybe the X configuration uses different fonts? |
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| 16:59.40 | Naked | wols_: same resolution, xft rendered fonts (bitstream vera sans mono) |
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| 17:00.08 | Naked | Azar: both X servers report the same directories in the font paths - the might not have the exact same font packages, but both have ttf-bitstream-vera installed |
| 17:00.18 | Azar | it might also depend of the application using them..desktop... writer.. |
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| 17:00.34 | Naked | same program - urxvt shows the problem, gwaterfall confirms it |
| 17:00.51 | Azar | Naked: you talk about size only? |
| 17:00.53 | wan | Has anyone used some automated method (ie: preseeding) to partition >1 disk during installation? |
| 17:01.18 | Naked | also - in gwaterfall, on the other machine, the fonts are natively hinted, but I can enable autohinter - on the other machine, the fonts are autohinted all the time and clicking on the autohinter checkbox in gwaterfall, nothing happens |
| 17:01.24 | jelly | Naked: 96 dpi ... that's like 1280x1024 17" TFT, and 1024x768 15" TFT? |
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| 17:02.02 | Naked | jelly: that's 1920x1200 24" dell and 1920x1200 17" laptop - but the X logs show the same dpi (which is how I want it to be, too) |
| 17:02.12 | Azar | Naked: compare the resolutions you have set in X maybe you have left something out |
| 17:02.19 | jelly | Naked: 1920x1200 17" is NOT 96dpi. |
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| 17:02.37 | Naked | jelly: I know - but the problem is that the fonts are of different size in *pixels* |
| 17:02.42 | Naked | I'm not talking about physical size |
| 17:02.48 | Azar | ah |
| 17:02.50 | jelly | Naked: ah... |
| 17:02.59 | Naked | sorry, should've been clearer |
| 17:03.02 | jelly | Naked: that's funny, then ;-) |
| 17:03.09 | Azar | can you tweak the monitor settings maybe this will bring some change? |
| 17:03.24 | jelly | AFAIK, same dpi setting should amount to same pixel size |
| 17:03.33 | ChaosR | Someone here that can be bothered to explain me sockets (DCC related) |
| 17:03.36 | Naked | Azar: what do you mean by tweaking? there's not much to set |
| 17:03.37 | jelly | which is the whole point of dpi setting |
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| 17:04.01 | ChaosR | It seems there is noone I know that has time |
| 17:04.03 | Naked | well, I think this is somehow related to the problem of the other machine not getting native hinting done on bitstream vera |
| 17:04.13 | jelly | ChaosR: the topic is complex. |
| 17:04.29 | Azar | Naked: maybe the monitors are not rendering the same even the resolutions used are identical.. |
| 17:04.37 | ChaosR | jelly: indeed it is, and I'm very sorry |
| 17:04.38 | corpcomp | I have been playing with "ISP-style Email Service with Debian-Sarge and Postfix 2.1" from workaround.org, and now I have got to the stage where I want to set it all up to collect email from a pop account and to be able to send non local emails out via a secure smtp gateway. Can someone point me to where I can find some information on this, I have been searching for 2 days and haven't found what I think I am look |
| 17:04.50 | moshii | It's a shame all the debconf scripts for webapplications are apache centric :/ |
| 17:05.11 | Azar | I have three LCD monitors, Samsung ViewSonic and some other.... I like most the Samsung quality |
| 17:05.12 | jelly | ChaosR: in essence, with DCC you have the same problem as with other peer-to-peer communication. One of the peers has to be able to listen on its "outside" IP. |
| 17:05.33 | Naked | Azar: the monitor should hardly effect the size of the font in actual pixels? or can some "physical size" reported via some interface change how X renders things? |
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| 17:06.13 | Azar | Naked: is not the size of the monitor I think, is its quality I would guess.. |
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| 17:06.15 | ChaosR | jelly: this is programming related :P |
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| 17:06.44 | Naked | the problem is that with the same font, on the other machine 80 characters are about 600 pixels, on the other machine, 80 characters are like 650 pixels |
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| 17:07.17 | Azar | Naked: switch the monitors see what you get :) |
| 17:07.30 | Naked | Azar: hard to switch the laptop monitor to my tabletop machine ;) |
| 17:07.35 | Azar | haha |
| 17:07.38 | ChaosR | I know I should not ask in here, but I've tried a lot of channels already, so I thought, there must be a lot of smart people here, so let's try it |
| 17:07.40 | Azar | ah oh laptopy |
| 17:07.40 | jelly | ChaosR: ah great, /me knows about nothing about BSD sockets, but there's probably a ton of useful documentation on the interwebs |
| 17:08.10 | ChaosR | jelly: the point is, there isn't :S |
| 17:08.13 | Naked | but, is there anything I could do to debug the auto-hinting problem with fontconfig? I did fc-cache -r already and that did nothing |
| 17:08.17 | jelly | ChaosR: hope it's not homework :-) |
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| 17:08.31 | wols_ | ChaosR: do you ask about sockets or about dcc? |
| 17:08.35 | wols_ | either way: OT in here |
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| 17:09.06 | Phil|Away | hmmmm |
| 17:09.15 | Phil|Away | although I changed the language from German to English |
| 17:09.26 | jelly | ChaosR: second result for bsd sockets howto, for example |
| 17:09.40 | ChaosR | Ok, let's start asking somewhere else then :( |
| 17:09.47 | bzed | ChaosR: read a book |
| 17:09.56 | bzed | ChaosR: like unix network programming |
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| 17:10.08 | bzed | or just use google |
| 17:10.09 | Phil|Away | some stuff is still in German, for example, this menu: Configuring debconf ; Ignore questions with a priority less than: ; kritisch ; hoch ; mittel ; niedrig |
| 17:10.24 | Azar | bzed: that's an awesome book |
| 17:10.26 | Phil|Away | is there anything else that needs to be done besides reconfiguring locales? |
| 17:10.29 | bzed | Azar: definitely |
| 17:10.46 | Azar | Bruce Molay |
| 17:10.48 | wols_ | Phil|Away: what are your env vars? |
| 17:10.52 | wols_ | andwhere de? |
| 17:11.03 | wols_ | anywhere a de? |
| 17:11.07 | Phil|Away | how do I check those wols_? |
| 17:11.18 | wols_ | env |
| 17:11.32 | Phil|Away | one sec |
| 17:11.54 | Azar | printenv |
| 17:12.04 | Phil|Away | LANGUAGE=de_DE:de:en_GB:en |
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| 17:12.36 | dmlb2000 | Hmmm, in the default (debian unstable) 2.6.18-4-686 the oss sound drivers are loading and its not using alsa is there some sort of debian way to get the alsa drivers loaded before the oss ones? |
| 17:12.48 | Phil|Away | I removed De on the dpkg-reconfigure of locales |
| 17:12.52 | Phil|Away | think it needs a reboot? |
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| 17:13.23 | Naked | WOOT! |
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| 17:13.36 | Azar | dmlb2000: blacklist the oss modules out of /etc/modules and replace them there with the alsa ones |
| 17:13.39 | Naked | I did "FC_DEBUG=1 waterfall" and compared the outputs |
| 17:13.52 | Naked | and found that one of them has hintstyle 2, and the other has hintstyle 3 |
| 17:13.57 | dmlb2000 | Azar: thanks I'll try that |
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| 17:14.04 | Naked | now when I run my terminal with hintstyle 3, it looks like the other machine |
| 17:14.18 | Naked | so now I just need to find out WHY the default setting is different and where to change it |
| 17:14.21 | Azar | :) way to go |
| 17:14.46 | jelly | Naked: are you using a DE like KDE or Gnome? |
| 17:14.50 | cahoot | dmlb2000: install alsa-base and run dkpg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 17:15.22 | Naked | jelly: gnome - default desktop install from tasksel |
| 17:15.26 | Azar | dmlb2000: follow cahoot thats more elegant |
| 17:15.29 | Phil|Away | wols_? |
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| 17:16.13 | TelVGG-Ariel | hello!! |
| 17:16.24 | jelly | Naked: does the control panel (or whatever it's called in Gnome) show the same settings on both machines?? |
| 17:16.32 | jelly | s/\?\?/?/ |
| 17:16.33 | wols_ | Phil|Away: or at least a logout |
| 17:16.38 | wols_ | depending where it's set |
| 17:16.52 | Phil|Away | I am trying to upgrade to Etch |
| 17:16.59 | Phil|Away | so this isn't a great point to do an exit |
| 17:17.09 | Phil|Away | however I did just check those vars in a new session |
| 17:17.09 | Naked | jelly: ah! lemme find the control panel first ;) |
| 17:17.32 | Phil|Away | problem is, some of the critical bits are in German, lol |
| 17:17.41 | Azar | Phil|Away: prepare for that then: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 17:17.43 | Phil|Away | "Einstellungen auf kleine Dateien aufteilen?" |
| 17:17.45 | Phil|Away | for example |
| 17:17.51 | Naked | jelly: quite right! the gnome setting was different - the other machine is on full hinting, the other only on medium :) |
| 17:17.55 | Naked | jae: thank you very much! |
| 17:18.00 | wols_ | why do you have it german in the first place? |
| 17:18.08 | wols_ | and yes you can stop if you want right now |
| 17:18.15 | Azar | he had russian then got in german.. |
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| 17:18.42 | Phil|Away | eh, it was German in the first place, sorry |
| 17:18.52 | Solider | hey could someone be really nice and tell me how to get sshd to work lol |
| 17:18.54 | Azar | ahha |
| 17:18.55 | Phil|Away | assumed being a russian company it was russian |
| 17:19.03 | Phil|Away | but since it's a german server, it's german |
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| 17:19.41 | Azar | Phil|Away: so you changed your locales to en-GB UTF8 and it still shows in german? |
| 17:19.54 | Phil|Away | sort of |
| 17:19.55 | Phil|Away | heh |
| 17:19.57 | Naked | sorry, jae, that was wrongly attributed, should've bee Jelly |
| 17:19.58 | Phil|Away | df -h changed to english |
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| 17:20.18 | Phil|Away | but the dialogues on the Etch upgrade are still somewhat in German |
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| 17:20.28 | Phil|Away | some are entirely English but some have some German snippets in them |
| 17:20.35 | Phil|Away | like this dialogue |
| 17:20.46 | Phil|Away | the explanation is English but the actual choice question is German |
| 17:20.47 | Solider | hey could someone be really nice and tell me how to get sshd to work lol |
| 17:21.09 | wols_ | Solider: apt-get it, done |
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| 17:21.43 | Solider | couldnt find it |
| 17:21.55 | Ronin | Solider: opensshd iirc |
| 17:22.11 | stew | Solider: apt-get install ssh |
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| 17:22.48 | Solider | lol stew i just did that lol |
| 17:23.05 | Solider | another stupid question. I want proftpd now :P |
| 17:23.15 | Ronin | same thing then Solider |
| 17:23.18 | Phil|Away | apt-get install proftpd |
| 17:23.20 | Solider | lol |
| 17:23.20 | Phil|Away | would you belive |
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| 17:23.27 | Solider | i was typing that Ronin |
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| 17:23.52 | Solider | same thing for apache? |
| 17:23.57 | junix-other | abrotman: you there? |
| 17:24.01 | abrotman | hi |
| 17:24.04 | stew | HI |
| 17:24.09 | Phil|Away | apache2 if you want version 2 |
| 17:24.14 | Phil|Away | just apache if you want version 1 |
| 17:24.20 | Phil|Away | I find 2 better |
| 17:24.21 | Solider | whats better lol |
| 17:24.39 | junix-other | abrotman: question, i have a linux box that died, it has a Promise Fastrack X2 in it, ATA RAID, i need to put it into a new server running debian, how can i do this? |
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| 17:24.58 | abrotman | with another promise card |
| 17:24.58 | abrotman | or use the one that works |
| 17:25.26 | Azar | Phil|Away: what your locale -a say? |
| 17:25.30 | Ronin | !better |
| 17:25.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 17:25.39 | Phil|Away | C |
| 17:25.39 | Phil|Away | en_GB.utf8 |
| 17:25.39 | Phil|Away | POSIX |
| 17:25.40 | Solider | i cant change the time lol |
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| 17:26.01 | Azar | hmm no .de there |
| 17:26.03 | cahoot | Solider: got a tic wrt 'lol' ? |
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| 17:26.14 | Azar | Phil|Away: maybe if you reboot will work? |
| 17:26.21 | toad_ | what is "rred" ? |
| 17:26.28 | Phil|Away | not quite a good point atm |
| 17:26.37 | Phil|Away | since I'm doing the Etch upgrade |
| 17:26.51 | Phil|Away | guess I'll have to blag it through with crappy online translators |
| 17:26.53 | Azar | oh? ok |
| 17:27.17 | Azar | do you need the utf8? |
| 17:27.18 | Phil|Away | or find a German somewhere in this big world of IRC ;) |
| 17:27.23 | junix-other | abrotman: hmmm...but what about the kernel? |
| 17:27.31 | Phil|Away | I was told to use that one Azar |
| 17:27.32 | Azar | I usually use the utf8 only with some applications |
| 17:27.36 | junix-other | abrotman: i plan on using stable.... |
| 17:27.38 | Phil|Away | it was a choice between that an ISO |
| 17:28.01 | Azar | I got en_US ISO88591 |
| 17:28.02 | wols_ | Phil|Away: what keeps you from pressing ctrl+c? |
| 17:28.30 | Phil|Away | are the menus prior to anything actually replacing? |
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| 17:32.03 | jetscreamer | where do i set the defaults for xterm |
| 17:32.21 | jetscreamer | i want a bigger font |
| 17:32.30 | jetscreamer | w/o having to select it |
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| 17:32.54 | stew | jetscreamer: .Xresources ; read about RESOURCES in the X manpage and read "man xrdb" |
| 17:33.06 | dkr | jetscreamer: ~/.Xresources |
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| 17:33.15 | jetscreamer | thanks |
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| 17:35.01 | dkr | XTerm*faceName: Monospace |
| 17:35.01 | dkr | XTerm*faceSize: 12 |
| 17:35.02 | dkr | is what I use. :) |
| 17:35.03 | Marticus | is there a way to purge ip+_conntrack table without rebooting |
| 17:35.03 | Marticus | I am receiving the table full, dropping packet error on my console |
| 17:35.04 | jetscreamer | thanks agaia |
| 17:35.04 | abrotman | junix-other: what about the kernel ? |
| 17:35.04 | jetscreamer | n |
| 17:35.04 | abrotman | Marticus: ask #iptables |
| 17:35.04 | Marticus | ah thanks |
| 17:35.05 | junix-other | abrotman: i can't use that card with the 2.6.8 kernel....can i? |
| 17:35.05 | dkr | Marticus: maybe with ip command? I know it has a few "flush" commands |
| 17:35.18 | abrotman | junix-other: i have no idea .. i don't own a single piece of promise hardware |
| 17:35.27 | junix-other | ugh!! |
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| 17:38.22 | h2k | where does debian usually have it's gtk engines? |
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| 17:39.52 | Llama | hi all |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | h2k: apt-cache search gtk engine ? |
| 17:40.26 | h2k | ah, got it |
| 17:40.28 | Llama | does anyone have Lotuse Notes native client running on etch? 7.0.1 or 8beta2 ? |
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| 17:41.21 | Azar | wols_: so changing locales changes sysemwide, applications included while changing env for a user changes language for that user shell only? |
| 17:42.18 | mcbane | wols_: I finally got the adapter to work. Thank you so much. Without your help it would not have been possible! |
| 17:42.32 | Marticus | well, reboot tie |
| 17:42.35 | Marticus | time |
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| 17:46.26 | Phil|Away | bah |
| 17:46.43 | Phil|Away | rebooted and locale -a shows English |
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| 17:47.01 | Phil|Away | however, df -h is still in German and env shows LANGUAGE=de_DE:de:en_GB:en still |
| 17:47.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 17:47.34 | jetscreamer | usually works for me |
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| 17:48.06 | stew | Phil|Away: where is the LANGUAGE environment variable being set? /etc/environment? /etc/profile? ~/.bash_profile ? .bashrc? |
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| 17:48.34 | Phil|Away | heh |
| 17:48.43 | Phil|Away | I can't read the console-data reconfigure -_- |
| 17:49.24 | stew | Phil|Away: "unset LANGUAGE; LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure console-data" |
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| 17:50.16 | Phil|Away | ah |
| 17:50.17 | Phil|Away | better |
| 17:50.25 | Phil|Away | let me check on that var stew |
| 17:50.34 | Phil|Away | 89-149-194-181:~# cat /etc/environment |
| 17:50.35 | Phil|Away | LANGUAGE="de_DE:de:en_GB:en" |
| 17:50.35 | Phil|Away | LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 17:50.35 | Phil|Away | 89-149-194-181:~# |
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| 17:50.39 | Phil|Away | ah |
| 17:50.41 | Phil|Away | oops, sorry |
| 17:50.47 | rovragge | how do I get the font path I can put in xset fp=... under debian etch? I have a server with vncserver only, no xorg or xfree86 server configured... |
| 17:50.49 | Phil|Away | I guess I edit /etc/environment to suit |
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| 17:53.11 | uptownben | Hi All. |
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| 17:54.24 | xxl3w | is there anyway to create icons on the desktop for fluxbox? |
| 17:54.38 | wols_ | never seen one |
| 17:54.38 | Phil|Away | ah |
| 17:54.39 | Phil|Away | better |
| 17:54.40 | Phil|Away | lol |
| 17:54.43 | wols_ | icons are overrated |
| 17:54.59 | dkr | xxl3w: run nautilus? :) |
| 17:55.00 | xxl3w | is there a package in debian for idesk? |
| 17:55.04 | uptownben | xx13w: You will need to install fbdesk or rox desktop |
| 17:55.10 | dkr | or fluxbox-gnome |
| 17:55.20 | uptownben | xx13w: I think |
| 17:55.25 | xxl3w | the computer's i'm trying to use are prettay old |
| 17:55.56 | wols_ | !tell xxl3w about search |
| 17:56.13 | xxl3w | lmao |
| 17:56.19 | xxl3w | thanks :P |
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| 17:56.38 | xxl3w | well, considering my work sucks and i don't have a switch |
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| 17:56.40 | thelostbutler | how does one disable a module that is compiled into the kernel ? |
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| 17:56.48 | xxl3w | i guess i'll be unhooking this machine and booting up old yeller. |
| 17:57.14 | xxl3w | get it, old computers turn yellow? |
| 17:57.17 | xxl3w | yea yea yea. lame. |
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| 17:58.09 | lucas_ | Good evening from Amstelveen, The Netherlands. A beautiful evening indeed! |
| 17:59.26 | lucas_ | Question: does anyone say why aptitude, when updating, always says "23 packages rred"? I would expect the word "read", but it seems that I misumderstand... |
| 17:59.55 | ErikRose | It's the Spanish pronunciation. Rrrol the rrrrrs. ;-) |
| 18:00.01 | lucas_ | :) |
| 18:00.22 | uptownben | Does anyone know how I can copy (duplicate) a HDD over a network? |
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| 18:00.39 | Azar | hmm the only manuals on locales are for woody :) which is not bad, but things have happened since |
| 18:00.57 | stew | uptownben: you want to copy it to a file or to another disk? |
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| 18:01.36 | uptownben | stew: copy from the source to a remote image, then from the remote image to another destination. |
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| 18:02.04 | stew | uptownben: dd if=/dev/hda | ssh user@remotehost dd of=/pat/to/some/file |
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| 18:02.11 | stew | uptownben: (/dev/hda being the source drive) |
| 18:02.48 | uptownben | stew: thank!.. but is there anyway to copy it to a SAMBA share? (no ssh, no dd on remote) |
| 18:02.50 | bzed | uptownben: if you want the files only, you could do it pretty fast by using tar and netcat. |
| 18:02.54 | enouf | thelostbutler: you mean the config says =m ? |
| 18:03.31 | lucas_ | uptownben: Can't you just mount the share? And then: dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/samba/path/to/anywhere |
| 18:04.08 | stew | uptownben: dd if=/dev/hda of=/path/to/some/file/on/samba |
| 18:04.14 | uptownben | lucas_: the problem is that the remote storage server (where I want to temporarily hold the image) is a windows box ) |
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| 18:04.42 | stew | uptownben: or just "cp /dev/hda /samba/mountpoint/somefile.img" |
| 18:04.47 | lucas_ | uptownben: But you just make an image of the disk. It doesn't matter where you save it. |
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| 18:05.32 | lucas_ | uptownben: just as long as you have sufficient free space on the target disk |
| 18:05.36 | uptownben | lucas_: i know.. i just cant save it on any local drive.. I only have enough space on the remote storage server. |
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| 18:06.09 | lucas_ | uptownben: free space must be larger then the size of /dev/hda |
| 18:06.55 | uptownben | The storage server has plaenty of space. so i would have to mount the windows share, the do a dd? will that work? what about dump and restore? |
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| 18:08.01 | trycyt | Would AUTHORS be a file that goes in the debian/docs of a given package? |
| 18:08.41 | lucas_ | uptownben: dd will work: it will just make a raw image of the disk and it doesn't matter where you save it. Much like a iso image of a CD. I don't know dump and restore, maybe the man page might help, but I have sometimes created images from my disks using dd and later succesfully restored them. |
| 18:08.45 | stew | trycyt: /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 18:09.14 | lucas_ | Again, the file system where you store the image is not relevant, you just store the bits, and those are the same everywhere. |
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| 18:09.46 | mimix | damn |
| 18:09.53 | lucas_ | There will just be very many bits. It might take a while over the network. Obviously. |
| 18:09.57 | uptownben | lucas_: the only thing is that the new destination drive is larger than the old source drive. will that be a problem when using dd? |
| 18:10.20 | jetscreamer | only when restoring |
| 18:10.27 | wols_ | and that the windows drive is formatted ntfs. or you might get in trouble with the maximum filesize |
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| 18:10.35 | trycyt | stew: ? |
| 18:10.37 | jetscreamer | it will recreate the partition |
| 18:10.47 | jetscreamer | and you will have freespace left over |
| 18:10.57 | stew | trycyt: the AUTHORS file would go in /usr/share/doc/$packagename |
| 18:11.47 | jetscreamer | not a 'problem' unless you already have data |
| 18:11.47 | jetscreamer | on the new target |
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| 18:11.48 | lucas_ | jetscreamer said it all :) |
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| 18:12.08 | uptownben | the windows storage drive is NTFS, the new target is blank. but if dd is doing an image , I will have an image of a smaller partition, will the rest of the drive space go to waste? |
| 18:12.16 | trycyt | stew: Okay, what about Changelog? COPYING? INSTALL? NEWS? |
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| 18:12.30 | trycyt | stew: I'm asking not what other packages do, but what ought to be done. |
| 18:12.38 | jetscreamer | yes unless you resize it, or just make another partition and use lvm |
| 18:12.46 | enouf | uptownben: see http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/faq/BackupPC.html#overview .. search for samba, and this app is available in Debian |
| 18:12.47 | lucas_ | You can resize the 'new' partition |
| 18:12.49 | jetscreamer | or just make another partition |
| 18:12.51 | trycyt | stew: The Debian New Maintainer's Guide 5.5 doesn't explain that very well. |
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| 18:13.03 | stew | trycyt: not INSTALL, information from COPYING should be in copyright |
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| 18:13.53 | stew | trycyt: i understand your question now. yes, AUTHORS could be listed in debian/$packagename.docs if you are using dh_isntalldocs. |
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| 18:14.36 | stew | trycyt: Changelog should be renamed changelog |
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| 18:15.38 | bzed | trycyt: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ probably you wanna read that :) |
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| 18:15.47 | Solider | how do i make a encrypt pass without mkpass lol |
| 18:16.44 | stew | Solider: mkpasswd ? |
| 18:17.28 | Solider | ya mkpasswd lol |
| 18:17.29 | Solider | sorry |
| 18:17.44 | yzrider08 | so any word on etch? i mean damn, 3 months+ and no word |
| 18:17.47 | stew | Solider: you want to run "mkpasswd lol" but you don't have mkpasswd? is that what you are asking? |
| 18:17.52 | bzed | !wwer |
| 18:17.52 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 18:17.58 | bzed | yzrider08: ^^ |
| 18:17.59 | Solider | ya :P |
| 18:18.08 | yzrider08 | ty |
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| 18:18.19 | yzrider08 | The Debian project confirms December 2006 as the date for the next release of its distribution which will be named Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias 'etch'. |
| 18:18.27 | bzed | yzrider08: it'll release before christmas |
| 18:18.32 | yzrider08 | pssh |
| 18:18.33 | stew | Solider: "apt-get install whois && mkpasswd lol" |
| 18:18.36 | Azar | yzrider08: old news |
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| 18:18.54 | yzrider08 | azar: yeah, but still |
| 18:18.55 | yzrider08 | :P |
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| 18:19.06 | Azar | next time there will not be such news about a new release |
| 18:19.16 | stew | yzrider08: etch will release when the RC bug count hits zero, its currently around 40: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 18:19.21 | yzrider08 | cool |
| 18:19.55 | Solider | is it md5? |
| 18:19.55 | bzed | yzrider08: 40 bugs is not a way to express an amount of time, though |
| 18:19.56 | Solider | R53GeMVWj5IPY |
| 18:20.06 | jetscreamer | !december 2006! |
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| 18:20.20 | bzed | Solider: mkpasswd -H md5 |
| 18:20.24 | stew | Solider: no, use -H MD5 |
| 18:20.55 | Solider | so this? $1$szrpigvi$lCw5dm6gVFsNDuOi0z9Vt0 |
| 18:20.58 | bzed | yes\ |
| 18:21.01 | Solider | lol ty |
| 18:21.29 | Azar | infact, 59 as of now |
| 18:21.33 | stew | Azar: 42 |
| 18:22.03 | Azar | and aptitude was fixed :) yay |
| 18:22.15 | Azar | 2 closed, 4 opened |
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| 18:23.14 | Azar | stew you might be right on your numbers but the public sees this: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 18:23.15 | abrotman | !42 |
| 18:23.16 | dpkg | i guess 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 18:23.50 | stew | Azar: that one is less accurate than the one on sesse's page |
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| 18:25.15 | abrotman | i'm still going off the turmzimmer site :) |
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| 18:27.27 | Azar | hmmm so one needs to know how to code to help with fixing bugs... |
| 18:27.29 | enouf | hrm 404 on /sesse/ or /esse/ |
| 18:27.42 | stew | enouf: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 18:27.50 | mimique | wheee, drum and bass *plieer ploink ping ting ting pling* |
| 18:28.06 | enouf | The requested URL /esse/bugscan/ was not found on this server. |
| 18:28.40 | Azar | that's what I'd do sometimes to abrotman |
| 18:28.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:28.55 | enouf | Is it just my ISP that's broken? |
| 18:29.03 | mimique | Release-critical bugs status |
| 18:29.03 | mimique | Mon Mar 12 16:19:00 UTC 2007 |
| 18:29.04 | mimique | Total number of release-critical bugs: 670 |
| 18:29.04 | Azar | *plieer ploink ping ting ting pling* |
| 18:29.05 | mimique | etc |
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| 18:29.12 | Azar | . *plieer ploink ping ting ting pling* |
| 18:29.20 | jetscreamer | that link works here |
| 18:29.30 | abrotman | mimique: that number includes unstable |
| 18:29.36 | bzed | mimique: that includes unstable and whatever else :) |
| 18:29.38 | mimique | ah |
| 18:29.41 | abrotman | (and sarge i suppose) |
| 18:29.41 | mimique | nice :) |
| 18:29.50 | abrotman | actually .. includes all RC bugs :) |
| 18:29.53 | Solider | [error] conf/server.conf:56: authentication module failure: md5 is not an implemented/enabled authentication method |
| 18:29.54 | enouf | jetscreamer: ok .. lemmee traceroute it .. maybe it has to do with freenode going down/up fora restart .. lol |
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| 18:30.38 | pipegeek | Kind of a strange question; anyone had any experience with beryl? |
| 18:30.47 | CalJohn | I'm building my own binaries, but the configure script says that I'm missing "KDE headers". What package contains these? |
| 18:30.48 | abrotman | is it in debian yet? |
| 18:30.59 | pipegeek | Wait, I'm an idiot. sorry for bothering y'all |
| 18:31.05 | pipegeek | good question :^) |
| 18:31.10 | pipegeek | toodles |
| 18:31.11 | jetscreamer | probably some kde-devel package |
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| 18:31.33 | bzed | CalJohn: i'd guess kdelibs4-dev |
| 18:31.41 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kde |grep dev maybe |
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| 18:32.26 | CalJohn | bzed: ok, well i just started fetching kde-devel, and it was pulled in. thanks. |
| 18:32.41 | bzed | np |
| 18:32.56 | mimique | apt-cache search toilet |
| 18:33.05 | mimique | and it'd bette rbe quick |
| 18:33.05 | mimique | :X |
| 18:33.06 | mimique | brb |
| 18:33.53 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge feces |
| 18:34.19 | enouf | welp .. traceroute people.debian.org works (ctrl-c'd it), and besides my browser can see people.debian.org fine .. and yet evebn searching through there ..using first name .. nothing .. but even traceroute people.debian.org/esse {bugscan} fails miserably ..traceroute: unknown host people.debian.org/esse |
| 18:34.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.21 | Azar | infact thinking about my suggestion of a new backup method is the easiest one ever |
| 18:34.39 | Azar | needs no mouse, keyboard, clicks, typing... |
| 18:35.20 | Azar | I can see all of them there |
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| 18:36.09 | jetscreamer | http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ vs people.debian.org/esse |
| 18:36.10 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 18:36.20 | peppe | enouf: you can track the route to an host, not to an url |
| 18:36.24 | Azar | enouf: you got it wrong see the correct url |
| 18:36.29 | SexyKen | How do I update the time properly on my debian boxes? |
| 18:36.49 | SexyKen | The time change didn't go through |
| 18:36.49 | jetscreamer | bios :/ |
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| 18:36.50 | Azar | SexyKen: use ntpdate |
| 18:36.52 | peppe | SexyKen: "update the time"? ntpdate? tzconfig? |
| 18:37.09 | jetscreamer | tzconfig is timezone |
| 18:37.21 | Azar | Read horror: 104 on Guerin |
| 18:37.29 | Solider | how do i enable md5? |
| 18:37.39 | enouf | peppe: ok .. that's cool .. and i tried http://people... as well Azar it doesn't work that way AFAIK .. one doesn't need http resolver for a traceroute/ping/dig |
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| 18:38.19 | Azar | enouf: you tried /~sesse/ ?? |
| 18:38.21 | peppe | enouf: you didn't get the point: you can't do traceroute to an URL, it's meaningless |
| 18:38.24 | Azar | or just /esse ? |
| 18:38.28 | stew | Solider: enable it where? for what? |
| 18:38.34 | Solider | [error] conf/server.conf:56: authentication module failure: md5 is not an implemented/enabled authentication method |
| 18:38.52 | enouf | peppe: just did |
| 18:38.55 | stew | Solider: what is giving you that error? |
| 18:38.55 | enouf | traceroute people.debian.org |
| 18:39.02 | Solider | my ircd lol |
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| 18:39.08 | enouf | 16 gluck.debian.org (192.25.206.10) 68.486 ms 69.839 ms 68.177 ms |
| 18:39.09 | peppe | enouf: "people.debian.org" is an hostname, not an URL |
| 18:39.16 | enouf | ok .. my bad |
| 18:39.18 | stew | enouf: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:39.21 | Miesco | How do I stop processes that are using my sound card |
| 18:39.35 | jetscreamer | enouf: did you actually type the url correctly? esse vs ~sesse ? |
| 18:39.58 | enouf | stew: trying to find out why my visits to http://people.debian.org/esse/bugscan/ are broken in my browser .. i alredy showed you the 404s |
| 18:40.05 | jetscreamer | see? |
| 18:40.09 | stew | http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ not http://people.debian.org/esse/bugscan/ |
| 18:40.15 | jetscreamer | esse vs ~sesse |
| 18:40.22 | jetscreamer | si see c |
| 18:40.23 | enouf | stew: broken all over AFAICT .. maybe it's a DNS issue |
| 18:40.26 | stew | enouf: no |
| 18:40.45 | jetscreamer | !pebkac |
| 18:40.45 | dpkg | i guess pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 18:40.49 | Azar | enouf: look here: is NOT /esse..... IS /~sesse |
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| 18:41.05 | Azar | hahaha dpkg |
| 18:41.10 | stew | enouf: if you are getting a 404, you are talking to the server so its not DNS. You should be getting a 404 with http://people.debian.org/esse/bugscan you should NOT get a 404 if you use the correct url instead: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 18:41.22 | mimique | Not Found |
| 18:41.22 | mimique | The requested URL /esse/bugscan was not found on this server. |
| 18:41.22 | mimique | Apache/1.3.33 Server at people.debian.org Port 80 |
| 18:41.28 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:41.29 | Azar | hahaha |
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| 18:41.32 | mimique | other works fine |
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| 18:41.41 | Azar | open open open up the eyes |
| 18:41.43 | Solider | how do i enable md5? |
| 18:41.48 | stew | Solider: in what? |
| 18:41.56 | Solider | [error] conf/server.conf:56: authentication module failure: md5 is not an implemented/enabled authentication method |
| 18:42.00 | SexyKen | tzconfig shows the proper time zone but the time is off by 1 hour |
| 18:42.04 | stew | Solider: what is giving you that error? |
| 18:42.14 | Solider | quakeircd |
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| 18:42.35 | stew | Solider: how did you install it? |
| 18:42.39 | Nwallins | would it be possible to have a tool that, given a fully loaded kernel (wrt to device drivers, etc) and a running system, is able to query the running system and generate a minimal .config that maintains the level of functionality? |
| 18:42.45 | Solider | via the tar |
| 18:43.03 | Nwallins | in order to minimize kernel size / compilation etc. |
| 18:43.06 | justin | Nwallins: what is wrong with the kernel that you already have? |
| 18:43.09 | enouf | <stew> http://people.debian.org/esse/bugscan/ not http://people.debian.org/esse/bugscan/ <<-- why don't I see any differences in those 2 at all? |
| 18:43.20 | Nwallins | justin: takes forever to compile unnec modules |
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| 18:43.28 | stew | enouf: something is wrong with your irc client |
| 18:43.30 | enouf | I mean I copied and pasted anyway as i always do .. |
| 18:43.38 | BUMBACL0T | should i backport gnome? |
| 18:43.50 | BUMBACL0T | is gnome even backportable? |
| 18:43.58 | enouf | and then I wrote it manually in hte briowser stew |
| 18:44.02 | jetscreamer | because they are identical ... one should say ~s |
| 18:44.06 | stew | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/23539 |
| 18:44.09 | jetscreamer | but doesn't |
| 18:44.12 | Azar | I guess enouf does not see the ~ |
| 18:44.29 | enouf | Still broken .. not my irc client NOR my browser .. the www if fscked up and b0rked |
| 18:44.43 | enouf | Azar: nope .. no tilde |
| 18:44.44 | Azar | enouf: do you see ~ ? |
| 18:44.52 | justin | enouf: sounds like your font is broken |
| 18:45.00 | enouf | I understand now .. never happened before though |
| 18:45.01 | Azar | ah but use it if you can |
| 18:45.08 | Azar | oh |
| 18:45.09 | enouf | justin: soounds right |
| 18:45.14 | Miesco | Im pretty sure my sound card supports hardware mixing, how do I set it up? |
| 18:45.15 | jetscreamer | http://paste.debian.net/23539 |
| 18:45.18 | stew | enouf: did you see my paste? |
| 18:45.24 | jetscreamer | i ammended it |
| 18:45.26 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 18:45.27 | Azar | enouf: maybe you could copy paste |
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| 18:45.38 | enouf | stew: looking now .. thank you for your patience .. my bad .. it's the Tilde i see |
| 18:45.53 | jetscreamer | http://paste.debian.net/23540 |
| 18:45.53 | Azar | ahahahaha |
| 18:46.15 | mimique | jelly: dont mention such scary words as windows in a debian channel :o |
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| 18:46.22 | PhinnFort | how can I get verbose output from a configure script in a dpackage? |
| 18:46.26 | jelly | mimique: UBUNTU! |
| 18:46.27 | PhinnFort | i keep getting " subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 20" |
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| 18:46.35 | mimique | #debian |
| 18:46.37 | mimique | ! |
| 18:46.38 | Nwallins | justin: also, I want to know minimal kernel config to enable linuxbios |
| 18:46.46 | PhinnFort | mimique: BSD! |
| 18:46.55 | mimique | distrowar~!!1! |
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| 18:47.01 | jetscreamer | PhinnFort: shift+pgup |
| 18:47.04 | kiba | hi |
| 18:47.09 | jelly | PhinnFort: nah, there's GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 18:47.10 | enouf | i just thought it really odd too .. when seraching from the front page people.debian.org and searchiung esse (and sesse) as 1st name, and last name .. no hits either .. oh well .. I'm a dunce .. thanks folks |
| 18:47.18 | kiba | my wireless router is causing unrelaiable internet connection |
| 18:47.26 | PhinnFort | jelly: FreeDOS ftw, then |
| 18:47.45 | PhinnFort | jetscreamer: shift+up, "dpkg: error processing console-setup (--configure):" |
| 18:48.33 | jetscreamer | PhinnFort: not sure, you might try /msg dpkg fix-unmet |
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| 18:49.12 | PhinnFort | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 18:49.20 | BUMBACL0T | ey, how do you know if something is non-free, main or contrib ? |
| 18:49.58 | kiba | can anybody help me with my wireless router? |
| 18:49.59 | Nwallins | BUMBACL0T: one way is packages.debian.org |
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| 18:50.16 | BUMBACL0T | Nwallins, im backporting |
| 18:50.23 | kiba | I got a Belkin wireless router but it is not playing nicely with my linux desktop |
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| 18:51.00 | Nwallins | kiba: if the issue is truly with the router, and not your wlan adapter, then there is not much we can do |
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| 18:52.22 | abrotman | kiba: what doesn't work ? |
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| 18:54.35 | toad_ | what's the easiest way to log in as a normal user and then start a web browser as a different user? ssh -X ? |
| 18:54.41 | enouf | stew: et al .. I found the issue in my irc cliebnt (ksirc) .. it was the "Ksirc color codes" (there's a strip ksirc color codes option) .. this client is perl based .. and i suppose that's why I was not only missing the ~ in /~sesse, but ALSO the S that follows :-( .. I was seeing /esse .. lol |
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| 18:58.06 | enouf | !punish my irc client |
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| 18:59.34 | Danielss89 | Hi.. |
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| 19:01.19 | Danielss89 | Ive got a lot of files with this: WHERE username='".$_SESSION['brugernavn']."' && fag='DIFFERENT'"));.. and DIFFERENT is different in each file.. i want to add this after each one of those: && argang='".$_SESSION['next_argang']."'... can i do that somehow |
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| 19:02.03 | BUMBACL0T | is it safe to backports most of your applications? |
| 19:02.11 | wols_ | Danielss89: this is NOT ##php |
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| 19:02.40 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: you asked that yesterday, in slightly different form |
| 19:02.43 | Danielss89 | wols_ well.. its not php i need for it.. i was wondering if there was some function in debian to edit files with some kind of syntax |
| 19:02.46 | wols_ | BUMBACL0T: nothing is safe. usually backports are less thoroughly tested as a stable debian distro |
| 19:02.51 | Danielss89 | or an editor or something |
| 19:03.10 | jetscreamer | syntax highlighting |
| 19:03.12 | wols_ | Danielss89: sed |
| 19:03.36 | Danielss89 | oki |
| 19:03.39 | mimique | (20:03:33) —› ##php #overflow forwarding to another channel |
| 19:03.39 | mimique | (20:03:33) —› #overflow ##overflow forwarding to another channel |
| 19:03.40 | mimique | damn |
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| 19:03.58 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, what do you mean? |
| 19:04.10 | Danielss89 | how do i run it wols_? |
| 19:04.12 | Danielss89 | sed |
| 19:04.16 | kupesoft | So how do I install the fglrx kernel module? |
| 19:04.21 | wols_ | Danielss89: man sed |
| 19:04.24 | wols_ | or just use perl :) |
| 19:04.27 | kupesoft | I have an ATI X1400 on a t60, |
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| 19:04.32 | wols_ | !tell kupesoft about fglrx |
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| 19:04.51 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, what do you mean? |
| 19:04.58 | kupesoft | wols_: Thanks, |
| 19:05.14 | wols_ | that backports are not as ewll tested as debian stable |
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| 19:05.56 | hansgnu | what is the burning program that gnome has? Except nautilus-cd-burner. |
| 19:06.18 | BUMBACL0T | wols_, so what's the point of backport, that's why people are backporting, to stay stable, right? |
| 19:06.43 | BUMBACL0T | i've backported 3 of my applications already |
| 19:06.49 | BUMBACL0T | firefox, gimp and dvd+rw-tools |
| 19:07.08 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: just run etch dude |
| 19:07.11 | craigevil | hansgnu: gnomebaker |
| 19:07.21 | jetscreamer | i thought gnomebaker only did cd's |
| 19:07.23 | hansgnu | craigevil: thanks |
| 19:07.32 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, please don't make me do it |
| 19:07.58 | jetscreamer | BUMBACL0T: might as well, imo, etch will be upon you soon enough |
| 19:08.06 | jetscreamer | but whatever you like |
| 19:08.07 | dkr | etch will be stable soon anyway |
| 19:08.22 | BUMBACL0T | you think so? |
| 19:08.32 | wols_ | we know |
| 19:08.36 | jetscreamer | it was 'supposed' to be out in dec 2006 |
| 19:08.47 | BUMBACL0T | what happened then |
| 19:08.50 | jetscreamer | so yeah i 'think' so... i could be worng though... |
| 19:08.57 | jetscreamer | you didn't fix enough bugs |
| 19:09.02 | jetscreamer | so it didn't release |
| 19:09.05 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 19:09.18 | BUMBACL0T | jetscreamer, don't make me dist-upgrade man |
| 19:09.22 | heras | Hi. Is there a Debian/right way to start an IPTables script? Google informs me of ~10 different ways. |
| 19:09.23 | jetscreamer | i'mnot |
| 19:09.34 | jetscreamer | \when etch goes stable it will though |
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| 19:10.35 | BUMBACL0T | i want to, but im scared |
| 19:10.41 | jetscreamer | then don't |
| 19:10.44 | dkr | heras: I made mine as /etc/init.d/firewall and ran update-rc.d firewall start 12 2 3 4 5 . stop 12 0 1 6 . |
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| 19:11.16 | jetscreamer | don't do it just because somebody told you to, do it because you decide it's best |
| 19:11.34 | BUMBACL0T | i've been using sarge since 03 or 04 |
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| 19:12.21 | BUMBACL0T | drwxrwsr-x 2 root staff 4.0K 2004-12-15 17:55 local |
| 19:12.25 | BUMBACL0T | 04 i guess |
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| 19:12.39 | heras | dkr, I've just put an exec script in .../init.d/ without updating anything and it works. But some speak using /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 19:13.04 | xand | heras: my iptables scripts go in /etc/network/if-up.d |
| 19:13.05 | kupesoft | Who just linked me about fglrx? |
| 19:13.14 | wols_ | me probably |
| 19:13.19 | kupesoft | wols_: (= |
| 19:13.25 | kupesoft | wols_: Thanks, worked. |
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| 19:13.40 | uptownben | Hi all. I was successfully following the help you guys gave me but I ran into something wierd. This is where I am: mounted remote NTFS filesystem using mount -t smbfs (worked OK), dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/samba/mbr.bin bs=446 count=1 (worked OK), dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/mnt/samba/filesys.bin bs=4096 (FAILED file size exceeded!). Anyone know why that would happen? |
| 19:13.47 | Solider | help |
| 19:13.47 | Solider | Debian:~# find httpd.conf |
| 19:13.47 | Solider | find: httpd.conf: No such file or directory |
| 19:13.47 | Solider | Debian:~# |
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| 19:13.48 | heras | xand, thanks. So that's the new way? |
| 19:13.53 | Solider | oops sorry |
| 19:14.04 | dkr | heras: hrm, I do see openvpn script in that dir. I guess it runs after interfaces are turned up |
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| 19:14.20 | Solider | where is the httpd.conf lol |
| 19:14.29 | xand | heras: I don't know about "the new way"... but it works |
| 19:14.31 | abrotman | /etc/apache{2}/ |
| 19:14.49 | dkr | I like my firewall script as regular init script so I can reload at will |
| 19:14.50 | xand | /etc/apache{-ssl|2}/ |
| 19:14.52 | heras | kk, thanks xand and dkr |
| 19:15.20 | heras | guess it depends on your needs then |
| 19:15.26 | wols_ | or get ipmasq, it comes with a iptables start script too in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 19:15.54 | dkr | ah, actually I see that /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn just runs /etc/init.d/openvpn. best of both worls. :) |
| 19:16.06 | heras | hehe |
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| 19:16.25 | Solider | thats not the conf im looking for |
| 19:16.28 | Solider | dont i need to edit it? |
| 19:16.50 | BUMBACL0T | Solider, httpd.conf is in /etc/apache2/ |
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| 19:17.05 | Solider | i checked that one and its missing everything lol |
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| 19:26.16 | uptownben | ok.. got another question.. Is there any way to get dd to automatically create files in < 1.5GB chunks? |
| 19:27.01 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 19:27.06 | mimique | cracking my psp |
| 19:27.09 | mimique | w00t |
| 19:27.22 | uptownben | meaning..if I have a filesystem that is 5GB.. I want dd to copy the whole thing but dividied into several smaller files. anyone know how? |
| 19:27.58 | jetscreamer | tar |
| 19:28.47 | uptownben | does samba have a 2GB filesize limit? |
| 19:29.11 | wols_ | no |
| 19:29.15 | wols_ | but FAT does |
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| 19:31.32 | jetscreamer | so does vfat aka fat32 |
| 19:31.41 | jetscreamer | but you 'can' get around it a little |
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| 19:33.20 | uptownben | Someone said CIFS may help. |
| 19:33.27 | uptownben | anyone ever try? |
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| 19:34.24 | jetscreamer | try tar |
| 19:34.25 | uptownben | It's kind of hard to believe that you cant copy a >2GB file from linux to a windows box using samba... Doesn't that kind of make Linux look bad/immature? |
| 19:34.36 | jetscreamer | you can.. i've done it. |
| 19:34.47 | uptownben | over SMB? |
| 19:34.55 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 19:34.55 | jorgp | uptownben: that is sambas fault |
| 19:35.02 | amphi | uptownben: fat32 has a 2gb limit IIRC, it's long since I used it |
| 19:35.22 | jetscreamer | ishe did say it was ntfs |
| 19:35.28 | jetscreamer | err he |
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| 19:35.34 | uptownben | yeah.. but is anyone creating something that will "fix" sambas shortcomings? |
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| 19:36.00 | xxl3w | how do i run a program in the background (IE: idesk)? |
| 19:36.07 | BUMBACL0T | screen |
| 19:36.11 | asg | xxl3w: or idesk & |
| 19:36.31 | uptownben | the #samba guys also said that samba has a problem with files >2GB.. |
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| 19:36.58 | heras | uptownben, I haven't noticed it. |
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| 19:39.12 | uptownben | havent noticed that you cant transfer files > 2GB via SMB? |
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| 19:39.36 | Will | is there an easy way to get a diff on the files in two directories? |
| 19:39.47 | heras | uptownben, yes. I pull in DVDs from our LAN all the time. Using Samba |
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| 19:40.20 | stew | Kassah2: diff -r dir1 dir2 ; you also might want a -u and/or a -N |
| 19:40.29 | Kassah2 | thanks |
| 19:40.51 | karsten | Anyone reporting issues with Konqueror: first laod of a page returns "An error occrued while loading <page>:\n The file or folder <page> does not exist". Confirmed under Konq but not seeing it with Firefox (Iceweasel) or dillo (so it's probably _not_ the proxy here). |
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| 19:41.11 | Kassah2 | stew: what about binary files? |
| 19:41.20 | BUMBACL0T | ey |
| 19:41.23 | Kassah2 | it's enough just to know if they changed... |
| 19:41.24 | BUMBACL0T | wtf is this: echo -ne "\033]0;${USER}@${HOSTNAME}: ${PWD}\007" |
| 19:41.34 | BUMBACL0T | everytime i type something, it shows this |
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| 19:42.21 | karsten | Reloading the page usually works. |
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| 19:43.22 | asg | BUMBACL0T: look at your PS1 variable in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 19:43.59 | peterrus | Ops, <Lunatic> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 19:44.05 | BUMBACL0T | asg, already fixed it |
| 19:44.10 | BUMBACL0T | thanks though |
| 19:44.12 | fearoffish | Is there any reason why rubygems doesn't install rails into the /usr/local/bin or similar folder, on etch? or is that a bug? |
| 19:44.17 | asg | BUMBACL0T: PROMPT_COMMAND gone wrong? |
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| 19:44.25 | BUMBACL0T | yeah |
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| 19:44.55 | stew | anyone else get what peterrus did? |
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| 19:45.10 | stew | Lunatic: ping? |
| 19:45.19 | peterrus | stew, I would say lol. Lunatic is spamming me |
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| 19:45.42 | asg | seemawn: just saw peterrus_A quit and join 3 times |
| 19:45.48 | peterrus | stew, I have seen that message like 100 times |
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| 19:45.55 | peterrus | asg, yeah, connection problems :/ |
| 19:46.05 | seemawn | asg: so what!? |
| 19:46.14 | asg | seemawn: my mistake |
| 19:46.17 | asg | stew: ^^^ |
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| 19:46.56 | streuner_ | well, Guerin has b-day today, btw |
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| 19:47.33 | stew | i don't get it. i have never once gotten someone to spam me. |
| 19:47.45 | streuner_ | they don't like you :-) |
| 19:48.06 | streuner_ | maybe they know who's OP or not :-) |
| 19:48.09 | asg | or it's innate pheer |
| 19:48.24 | stew | streuner_: no, i mean ever, since long before i had ops |
| 19:48.36 | p3rti | hi.. i'm too worried!! i was using my pc just 5 minutes ago.. i shutdown and now when i power on.. the resolution it's on 800x600. and i chage the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to leave only 1024x768 |
| 19:48.42 | seemawn | asg: np |
| 19:48.44 | p3rti | and i still have 800x600 |
| 19:48.49 | streuner_ | stew: me either |
| 19:48.51 | p3rti | i dont know what to do.. |
| 19:48.53 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 19:48.53 | dpkg | i guess hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 19:49.31 | jetscreamer | or just comment the mode line out and let xorg autodetect... if etch. not sure about sarge. |
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| 19:49.35 | p3rti | jetscreamer, but i dont install anything.. i only shutdown and power on again.. |
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| 19:50.16 | jetscreamer | those 2 things are about all i know to check |
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| 19:50.56 | p3rti | i'm using nvidia. drivers |
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| 19:51.04 | karsten | Ah: using offline browsing mode. |
| 19:51.23 | streuner_ | !nvidia-installer-smite p3rti |
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| 19:51.50 | p3rti | but all work's fine.. the aceleration and other things.. only the resolution.. dont change i dont know why! |
| 19:51.52 | peterrus | stew, Lunatic ? |
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| 19:52.34 | p3rti | brb |
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| 19:53.16 | streuner_ | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 19:53.16 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
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| 19:53.35 | karsten | Solution: it's the "offline browsing mode" in konqueror. First load of page fails. Forced reload succeeds. No noticable visual feedback to indicate that you're in offline mode. |
| 19:54.31 | fearoffish | No one uses ruby gems? |
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| 19:55.03 | amphi | !anyone uses ruby gems |
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| 19:55.35 | amphi | !anyone use ruby gems |
| 19:55.35 | dpkg | No, no one uses ruby gems, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:55.37 | fearoffish | the computer says no |
| 19:56.17 | lunitik | fearoffish: novel idea: ask your actual question |
| 19:56.38 | fearoffish | lunitik: sarcasm is uncalled for, especially if you scrolled up and see I did |
| 19:56.46 | fearoffish | saw* |
| 19:56.51 | fearoffish | Nice grammar fishy |
| 19:57.02 | Victor``` | fearoffish: scrolling up is generally unneeded |
| 19:57.20 | fearoffish | Is there any reason why rubygems doesn't install rails into the /usr/local/bin or similar folder, on etch? or is that a bug? |
| 19:57.22 | fearoffish | There you go |
| 19:57.30 | Victor``` | don't ask to ask your question. ask the question. |
| 19:57.43 | lunitik | fearoffish: oh... you didn't really ask a good question... as you showed you hadn't checked bts |
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| 19:59.04 | uptownben | Flimzy around? |
| 19:59.08 | lunitik | fearoffish: help yourself prior to requesting help from others... you'll notice you'll get helped more |
| 19:59.16 | Flimzy | uptownben: yeah, kinda :) |
| 19:59.27 | lunitik | !smart questions |
| 19:59.27 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 19:59.53 | uptownben | Flimzy: there is a spelling mistake in the links for quik install (alsa? asla?) |
| 20:00.16 | Vasistha | what's that resource that users of etch/testing are recommended to read or subscribe to? |
| 20:00.28 | uptownben | Flimzy: I installed the HDA version and the install went great, no problems, but moo doesnt work |
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| 20:00.49 | Flimzy | uptownben: Hrm. thanks, I'll fix the error. |
| 20:00.56 | Flimzy | uptownben: what does moo do? |
| 20:01.06 | fearoffish | Seriously fellas, there's no need to be so off, I've been on irc for years I know how to not be a help vampire. I've been digging around for a while, but the answers aren't getting to me. |
| 20:01.31 | fearoffish | It was a simple enough question, I wondered if anyone knew the answer off the top of their head, that's all ;) |
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| 20:01.50 | Victor``` | honestly i don't even use rubygem |
| 20:01.56 | Solider | how do i change the time on my box? |
| 20:01.57 | uptownben | Flimzy: tried the same test.. edit /etc/hosts, save then moo.. says checking drive space or something similar then just comes back, no errors. but on reboot the changes didnt stick |
| 20:02.05 | Victor``` | never have |
| 20:02.22 | Flimzy | uptownben: Hrm. Is /dev/hda1 mounted on /boot? |
| 20:02.28 | Flimzy | or is it getting stuck on live_mount? |
| 20:02.32 | serialpinguin | How might I see exactally how much memory a process uses,, should I use top? |
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| 20:02.34 | Vasistha | Solider: there's tzconfig and date --set |
| 20:02.35 | fearoffish | Fair enough, I only wanted those who had to answer if they knew...no biggie, I can fix the problem, I was just curious |
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| 20:02.42 | Vasistha | Solider: man tzconfig, man date |
| 20:03.21 | uptownben | Flimzy: I'm in the middle of something else with that machine, but as soon as its done I'll let you know |
| 20:03.29 | Flimzy | uptownben: Okay. |
| 20:03.47 | Flimzy | uptownben: I've found a few other (mostly minor) bugs in moo, so I'll be updating the page again soon. |
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| 20:03.54 | Solider | just tell me the command to update the time fool |
| 20:03.54 | Flimzy | uptownben: Maybe this weekend. |
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| 20:04.31 | Vasistha | Solider: sorry, I guess you think I'm too foolish to help you. |
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| 20:04.36 | uptownben | Flimzy: kewl |
| 20:05.04 | Solider | i asked for a fucking command not the fucking man command for fucksakes |
| 20:05.36 | fearoffish | Victor```, lunitik: see....that's how to not ask for help ;) |
| 20:05.38 | Vasistha | Solider: I don't know the command myself -- I run ntpdate and it takes care of that stuff for me, so I would have to look up the man pages and figure it out. Why should I do that for you, when you are being so rude? |
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| 20:05.47 | J_P | hi all |
| 20:05.52 | stew | Solider: he not only told you the commands you'll need to use, but told you the documentation for those commands. The attitude you are taking is going to get you less help, not more |
| 20:06.02 | J_P | people, where I can do download of debian 3.0 (woody) ? |
| 20:06.24 | J_P | in debian.org I not found |
| 20:06.24 | stew | J_P: archives.debian.org |
| 20:06.25 | J_P | I find only 3.1. |
| 20:06.25 | J_P | ok |
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| 20:06.25 | J_P | stew: ok |
| 20:06.25 | Solider | Well fucking read shit right then fucker |
| 20:06.26 | stew | Solider: calm down |
| 20:06.31 | J_P | stew: archives.debian.org not open |
| 20:06.57 | J_P | stew: ok, its archive |
| 20:07.31 | J_P | :-) |
| 20:07.32 | stew | J_P: sorry yeah, archive |
| 20:07.32 | J_P | stew: http://archive.debian.org/dists/woody/ |
| 20:07.32 | stew | J_P: realize that woody is no longer getting security updates, and therefore should only be used on a private network |
| 20:07.32 | J_P | stew: but not have cdimage (ISO) |
| 20:07.39 | J_P | stew: yeh i know |
| 20:07.48 | J_P | Is becouse my machine is one p100 32mb ram |
| 20:07.57 | stew | J_P: why not use sarge? |
| 20:08.06 | stew | (the current debian stable) |
| 20:08.10 | charlesg3 | anyone know how to force an optical drive to spinup without reading from it? |
| 20:08.15 | abrotman | sarge works on a 486 :) |
| 20:08.19 | J_P | stew: have 16mb and 32mb ram |
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| 20:08.45 | streuner | abrotman: Guerin has b-day today, btw |
| 20:08.49 | stew | J_P: 32mb is fine for installing, you can run with 16mb after installing but you need at least (iirc) 24mb of ram to run the sarge installer |
| 20:08.57 | fearoffish | cheers anyway everyone, time to put the boy to bed |
| 20:08.57 | dmlb2000 | hmmm have a local file repo but apt isn't getting the Release file for it... so I can't pin my local repository above the others... any suggestions? I'd like to make sure packages get pulled from my local file repository before all others... |
| 20:09.08 | abrotman | streuner: yes he does |
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| 20:09.21 | streuner | dmlb2000: /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 20:10.32 | streuner | dmlb2000: apt-get take care that it gets the latest packages, so its not important *where* you put the line in sources.list |
| 20:10.57 | dmlb2000 | streuner: yeah got that part done... but in order to do pinning you have to have a Release file or something |
| 20:11.12 | streuner | pinning is crap |
| 20:11.15 | streuner | forget that |
| 20:11.37 | dmlb2000 | streuner: so how do I get my local repo put above all others... so I can push a package back if I need to |
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| 20:12.17 | dmlb2000 | streuner: I don't want apt to figure out the latest version I want apt to pick the package out of _my_ repo... |
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| 20:12.33 | streuner | well, comment all other lines out and re-install those packages |
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| 20:12.52 | streuner | but that's rather NOT clever... |
| 20:13.06 | Vasistha | so, it looks like there's a big bunch of etch updates today. Is there somewhere I can read about this stuff? security.debian.org only addresses sarge. |
| 20:13.10 | dmlb2000 | right... I'm looking for a clever way to do this... |
| 20:13.18 | J_P | stew: ok, thanks.. |
| 20:13.21 | jef103 | how do i startup applications in fluxbox? i can't find my xinitrc |
| 20:13.27 | streuner | Vasistha: show us your sources.list |
| 20:13.46 | streuner | jef103: fluxbox.sf.net FAQ |
| 20:14.06 | streuner | jef103: just use .xsession (/msg dpkg xsession) |
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| 20:15.33 | streuner | dmlb2000: ok, if you think pinning is good for you (/msg dpkg apt-pinning) |
| 20:15.59 | streuner | but don't whine here, if you package-system is broken then |
| 20:16.04 | streuner | s/you/your/ |
| 20:16.16 | Vasistha | sources.list : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5700 .. I'm mostly wondering about the xorg updates |
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| 20:17.27 | jef103 | chris |
| 20:17.30 | jef103 | christ |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | charlesg3: why don't you want to read from it ? |
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| 20:17.34 | streuner | is usc.edu official mirror? |
| 20:17.44 | jef103 | i'm i the only person who doesn't have a Xsession dir either? |
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| 20:18.02 | charlesg3 | abrotman, I want a way to force the cdrom to spin at a constant rate... my application can't suffer from spin-up times |
| 20:18.04 | streuner | jef103: you just create it |
| 20:18.30 | streuner | jef103: touch /home/<user>/.xsession |
| 20:18.35 | wols_ | charlesg3: doubt that will benefit your drive. it will die fairly soon. they're not maed for continous use |
| 20:18.49 | wols_ | just put the files on a harddisk |
| 20:18.58 | dmlb2000 | streuner: yeah checked that page out as well and it still doesn't answer why apt doesn't pull the Release file from a file repository |
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| 20:19.24 | charlesg3 | this is for an embedded linux product which needs the drive to be spun-up and remain spinning during the application |
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| 20:19.43 | wols_ | charlesg3: if you do that, be prepared to buy lots of drives |
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| 20:19.54 | charlesg3 | heh... my client can buy the drives not me |
| 20:19.55 | wols_ | íf ti's for mebedded usage: get a USB stick |
| 20:20.00 | streuner | dmlb2000: it doesn't use any Release File at all (own repo), IIRC |
| 20:20.01 | charlesg3 | i've tried the hdparm options for setting the speed and the spindown time, but that doesn't cause it to spin up. I think the drive may be ignoring the options |
| 20:20.04 | Vasistha | streuner: I got usc from http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 20:20.07 | wols_ | it's bad engineering aka you screwed up |
| 20:20.09 | abrotman | charlesg3: but you don't want to read it ? |
| 20:20.31 | wols_ | abrotman: he does, and when he does he doesn't want the latency of spin up time |
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| 20:20.39 | dmlb2000 | streuner: yeah but you need the Release file in order to do pinning *shrug* |
| 20:20.40 | charlesg3 | wols_, right |
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| 20:20.50 | abrotman | wols_: sleep 100 && stat <cdromdrive> |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | win! |
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| 20:20.56 | wols_ | charlesg3: buy a USB flash stick.it's the right thing for your application |
| 20:21.08 | charlesg3 | wols_, my application plays audio discs |
| 20:21.11 | mfrisch | I want to build a kernel using kernel-package but I donot know how to feed the patches to it. I have three patches in /usr/src/kernel-patchs and a .txt patch anyone know a good starting point? |
| 20:21.26 | charlesg3 | wols_, most artists release their music on discs not USB flash :) |
| 20:21.33 | abrotman | damn artists |
| 20:21.43 | charlesg3 | well it was a shot in the dark, thx anyway guys (lemme try the stat command) |
| 20:21.47 | jef103 | so all i do is make the dir and everything works? |
| 20:21.50 | jef103 | that doesn't make much sense. |
| 20:21.58 | Vasistha | I'm mostly wondering, though ... isn't there some kind of resource for people running testing, to read about what's going on? |
| 20:22.00 | wols_ | 1GB RAM costs ~70$ or so. get that much, read in the CD when inserted |
| 20:22.00 | concept10 | why would someone use a cd rom in an embedded application? |
| 20:22.00 | wols_ | done |
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| 20:22.19 | wols_ | concept10: stupidity |
| 20:22.40 | torr | say, how come libpam_pgsql is version 0.6.3 in sourceforge, and only 0.5.2-9 at synaptic |
| 20:22.55 | jef103 | where is the xsession script right now? |
| 20:22.55 | charlesg3 | concept10, it's a cd player |
| 20:23.01 | concept10 | even then, keeping the cd rom 'spun up" will cost battery |
| 20:23.03 | jef103 | startx works fine now. there has to be a script somewhere |
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| 20:23.15 | charlesg3 | concept10, it runs off of wall power |
| 20:23.37 | charlesg3 | I think we should cache the data and spin down the cd personally |
| 20:23.48 | wols_ | yes you should |
| 20:24.04 | concept10 | charlesg3, are you using gstreamer? |
| 20:24.08 | wols_ | heck. a CD as FLAC is less thant 512MB easily |
| 20:24.11 | wols_ | 300 probably |
| 20:24.23 | junix-other | abrotman: would you split up a 800GB partition? |
| 20:24.29 | Coweater | encoding is time consuming |
| 20:24.37 | charlesg3 | concept10, no.... I wish |
| 20:24.48 | Nemoder | charlesg3: depending on your memory limits you might try caching as much of the data as you can then play it the cache while the disc is spinning up |
| 20:25.12 | charlesg3 | Nemoder, yeah that may be an option |
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| 20:25.25 | abrotman | junix-other: depends on my needs |
| 20:25.35 | Nemoder | you'ld still have the initial cache on insert but it would help for switching tracks/files |
| 20:25.37 | junix-other | its going to be a media server for IT only |
| 20:25.48 | jef103 | can gnome run on a AMD 350 iwth 128 mb of ram? |
| 20:25.52 | junix-other | abrotman: and other things... |
| 20:25.59 | BUMBACL0T | jef103, it should |
| 20:26.04 | wols_ | junix-other: split it in OS partition and "data" |
| 20:26.05 | abrotman | junix-other: probably not |
| 20:26.10 | BUMBACL0T | but its gonna be slow though |
| 20:26.12 | charlesg3 | Nemoder, yeah I like that idea much better... but we are a contracting company so it's kinda what the client wants (or what the client is willing to invest their money in) |
| 20:26.14 | jef103 | this is way too much work to put icons on a desktop and startup normally |
| 20:26.18 | junix-other | abrotman: ok, thanks for your help |
| 20:26.20 | wols_ | with OS a few GB, rest for the media files |
| 20:26.22 | abrotman | wols_: i assumed he'd already done that |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | junix-other: do you have another disk for the OS ? |
| 20:26.30 | jef103 | is there a lightweight window manager that already has desktop icons? |
| 20:26.32 | streuner | dmlb2000: man apt-ftparchive |
| 20:26.34 | junix-other | abrotman: no |
| 20:26.37 | abrotman | jef103: icewm |
| 20:26.40 | abrotman | junix-other: i would |
| 20:26.46 | junix-other | abrotman: would what? |
| 20:26.47 | jef103 | woo |
| 20:26.51 | junix-other | abrotman: its RAID 5 |
| 20:26.54 | jef103 | is the autorun script easy to find? |
| 20:27.07 | wols_ | what autorun? |
| 20:27.08 | abrotman | junix-other: up to you then |
| 20:27.12 | abrotman | jef103: xwinman.org |
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| 20:27.30 | Nemoder | charlesg3: another option might be to use slower CDroms where spinup doesn't take as long |
| 20:27.33 | drummer_wilson | could someone tell me how can i avoid grouping the windows on gnome? |
| 20:27.36 | jef103 | thanks |
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| 20:28.40 | xxl3w | also, how do i uninstall fluxbox? |
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| 20:29.04 | concept10 | or look for some speciality cdrom that offers better features in the area of caching and motor speed |
| 20:29.21 | charlesg3 | Nemoder, yeah we've tried to limit the max speed of the cdrom with some hdparm options but that doesn't seem to work on all of them. It's amazing to me how all cdroms looked the same, but then when we look under the hood and try to do more complex things how much they all differ |
| 20:30.13 | mfrisch | I want to build a kernel using kernel-package but I donot know how to feed the patches to it. I have three patches in /usr/src/kernel-patchs |
| 20:30.15 | Nemoder | charlesg3: if you have access to the firmware you might be able to change it there too |
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| 20:30.56 | concept10 | charlesg3, I dont understand why you would want to do this anyway. Every consumer knows and expects this behavior |
| 20:31.00 | xxl3w | how do i choose which WM startx loads? |
| 20:31.33 | concept10 | charlesg3, unless it's some requrement of the contract |
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| 20:32.20 | Azar | mfrisch: maybe this can help you: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 20:33.10 | waspius | !pastebin |
| 20:33.10 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 20:33.22 | wols_ | mfrisch: you patch the kernel, then you run menuconfig, then make-kpkg |
| 20:33.38 | mfrisch | Azar thanks thats a start. |
| 20:33.42 | junix-other | abrotman: i still haven't gotten my nvidia issue fixed with 2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 20:34.06 | mfrisch | wols_ I understand but I saw and read just feeding them to make-kpkg |
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| 20:34.16 | cookoo | how do i open a terminal with no mouse in kde |
| 20:34.28 | waspius | hey...can someone help me with this? http://pastebin.ca/392378 i get it when trying to explore my windows partition |
| 20:34.31 | concept10 | cookoo, maybe alt-f2 |
| 20:34.38 | krazykit | cookoo: hit alt-f2 and run konsole or xterm |
| 20:34.55 | Azar | courtesy of Jurij Smakov, Sven Luther, Andres Salomon and Maximilian Attems |
| 20:34.59 | cookoo | alt f2 nothing |
| 20:35.14 | mfrisch | alt-f1 brings up the menu |
| 20:36.12 | xxl3w | how do i choose which WM startx loads? |
| 20:36.18 | wols_ | mfrisch: how would you do that if it needs some .config entries? |
| 20:36.29 | wols_ | should make-kpkg do that automagically? |
| 20:36.30 | cookoo | never mind i dit ctl alt f1 all i need is to reconfigure x |
| 20:36.31 | mfrisch | xxl3w .xsession |
| 20:36.48 | xxl3w | what dir is xsession located in? |
| 20:36.51 | xxl3w | it's not in my home dir |
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| 20:37.16 | dondelelcaro | xxl3w: if it's not there, create it. |
| 20:37.28 | abrotman | junix-other: you shuld! |
| 20:37.29 | wols_ | !Xsession |
| 20:37.29 | dpkg | i heard xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 20:37.32 | dondelelcaro | xxl3w: if you don't have one, it either uses a ~/.xinitrc or the default Xsession is run |
| 20:38.05 | cookoo | dev/ttys0 is what? |
| 20:38.13 | wols_ | serial port. first one |
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| 20:38.36 | mfrisch | wols_ honestly stock kernels have allways sufficed I don't know. I am just reading howto's and know I need these patches to go on. I need evms-dm mods and nvidia's xen patch to fix it. |
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| 20:39.02 | wols_ | mfrisch: I told you how to do it |
| 20:39.05 | cookoo | dev/input/mice is that mouse port? |
| 20:39.23 | wols_ | it is A mouse port |
| 20:39.29 | wols_ | or rather device |
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| 20:39.39 | xxl3w | my god |
| 20:39.45 | xxl3w | i have to type all of that crap? |
| 20:39.48 | mfrisch | wols_ so do it all manualy then run make-kpkg....thanks ! |
| 20:39.52 | xxl3w | i don't have a xinitrc either |
| 20:40.10 | cookoo | if its not a usb mouse and its not a serial mouse what is it? |
| 20:40.15 | wols_ | cause usually you don't need them. only when you want per user settings |
| 20:40.21 | wols_ | cookoo: /dev/psaux |
| 20:40.22 | mfrisch | cookoo bluetooth? |
| 20:40.23 | wols_ | ps2 mouse |
| 20:40.24 | karsten | cookoo: PS2 mouse |
| 20:40.28 | cookoo | ty |
| 20:40.37 | karsten | mfrisch: parallel mouse! |
| 20:40.47 | lunitik | karsten: ew |
| 20:40.54 | karsten | SCSI mouse? |
| 20:41.00 | xxl3w | where is the default Xsession? |
| 20:41.03 | Azar | xxl3w: yep type it all then run it through a spellchecker |
| 20:41.04 | concept10 | even worse: wireless mouse |
| 20:41.07 | Azar | :) |
| 20:41.09 | wols_ | karsten: firewire |
| 20:41.12 | mfrisch | serial mouse eewwh |
| 20:41.24 | karsten | concept10: That's usually a special case of one of the other varieties. |
| 20:41.26 | wols_ | xxl3w: /etc/X11/ IIRC |
| 20:41.33 | lunitik | xxl3w: /etc/X11/ |
| 20:41.47 | lunitik | There is also a session.d in there |
| 20:41.48 | cookoo | i have a serial mouse |
| 20:41.54 | mfrisch | xxl3w you can set them up in the users dir .xsession |
| 20:41.55 | cookoo | so what i like it |
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| 20:42.15 | wols_ | cookoo: do you even have a wheel on it? |
| 20:42.17 | xxl3w | just cp the file to the user's dir? |
| 20:42.26 | xxl3w | or do i create a .xsession dir? |
| 20:42.27 | wols_ | xxl3w: no. create your own |
| 20:42.39 | concept10 | but thank god for old mice, I keep them just to desolder and use the microswitches in case of failure |
| 20:42.39 | lunitik | xxl3w: it's a file... not a dir |
| 20:42.54 | xxl3w | why can't i just copy it? that's a lot of stuff to type... |
| 20:42.55 | martiancode | n/clear |
| 20:43.05 | martiancode | O.o sorry |
| 20:43.10 | wols_ | because you don't need a lot of stuff in there. one line is usually enough |
| 20:43.38 | lunitik | xxl3w: the one in /etc/X11 will still be ran... /etc/init.d/{x,d,k}dm script calls it and the one in the users home dir |
| 20:44.17 | xxl3w | soo, the one in the user's dir, i just type "exec icewm"? |
| 20:44.40 | cookoo | thank you for helping me set up my logitech old ass wireless mouse |
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| 20:44.56 | t0k3n | help |
| 20:45.03 | t0k3n | ill pastebin.ca it |
| 20:45.07 | t0k3n | www.pastebin.ca |
| 20:45.33 | wols_ | !confuse t0k3n |
| 20:45.34 | dpkg | No, them is your gouda tomorrow, t0k3n? wellies of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 20:45.41 | t0k3n | http://www.pastebin.ca/392396 |
| 20:45.54 | waspius | anyone? |
| 20:46.01 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 20:46.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 20:46.16 | wols_ | t0k3n: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 20:46.26 | xxl3w | ack... |
| 20:46.34 | xxl3w | exec icewm didn't work so ewell |
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| 20:46.37 | waspius | zamuro: i asked the question above |
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| 20:47.05 | concept10 | I wish I knew the dependencies for gconfig |
| 20:47.08 | waspius | hey...can someone help me with this? http://pastebin.ca/392378 i get it when trying to explore my windows partition |
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| 20:47.32 | wols_ | waspius: does it prevent you from mounting that windows partition? |
| 20:47.49 | waspius | wols_: yes |
| 20:48.05 | wols_ | what are you doing? |
| 20:48.09 | concept10 | waspius, you'll probably be better served with naming the application and what you were attempting to do? |
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| 20:48.45 | xxl3w | how do you reconfigure x windows? |
| 20:48.47 | waspius | concept10: i have my windows partition icon in my computer folder but when i try to explore-mount it i get that error |
| 20:48.52 | wols_ | !tell xxl3w about drxx |
| 20:49.09 | xxl3w | that dpkg won't work. |
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| 20:49.38 | Azar | xxl3w: interesting, did you spelled it correctly? |
| 20:49.42 | wols_ | !tell waspius about read-ntfs |
| 20:49.48 | xxl3w | lemme check |
| 20:50.13 | concept10 | waspius, are you talking about that junk they call a file manager named Nautilus? |
| 20:50.24 | sheldonh | i'm considering migrating our general purpose server build from gentoo to linux. i really like gentoo's use of iproute in network configuration. does debian support iproute network configuration, or does it still use ifconfig? |
| 20:50.43 | wols_ | sheldonh: gentoo isn't linux anymore? |
| 20:50.47 | waspius | concept10: probably |
| 20:50.51 | cookoo | whos ready to give a very verbose walk through of networking through a router |
| 20:50.53 | sheldonh | lol |
| 20:50.58 | xxl3w | yup, spelled correctly, it's giving an error "-bash: dpkg-reconfigure: unknown command" |
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| 20:51.07 | sheldonh | wols_: gentoo to debian, i meant :) |
| 20:51.07 | wols_ | xxl3w: you need to be root |
| 20:51.13 | Azar | wols_: gentoo is in pain...come yee all gentoo refugees here |
| 20:51.13 | concept10 | waspius, what does you fstab look like |
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| 20:51.18 | xxl3w | i have a root account up |
| 20:51.24 | xxl3w | i'll relogin |
| 20:51.28 | wols_ | concept10: apt-get install ipmasq dnsmasq. now you have a NAT router. wasn't that easy? |
| 20:51.51 | concept10 | wols_, not me buddy |
| 20:52.10 | wols_ | sheldonh: you can use iproute, however we just configure our /etc/network/interfaces and be done with it :) |
| 20:52.11 | stew | sheldonh: debian puts network configuration in a flat file: /etc/network/interfaces ; internally it uses ifconfig, iproute is not part of a standard install. if you wanted to use iproute commands when interfaces are brought up automatically by /etc/network/interfaces you are free to |
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| 20:52.21 | wols_ | we don't really care what does it under the hood |
| 20:52.22 | junix-other | anyone using a 3ware SATA card? |
| 20:52.28 | Azar | xxl3w: what Debian version you use, sorry I haven't followed yo from the beginning |
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| 20:52.47 | wols_ | !tell junix-other about anyone |
| 20:52.48 | junix-other | wols_: thanks! |
| 20:52.49 | junix-other | :- |
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| 20:52.50 | sheldonh | stew: so ip addresses, routes and rules all go in that file? is it a shell-scriptish file? |
| 20:52.51 | junix-other | :-P |
| 20:53.00 | junix-other | well the error went away |
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| 20:53.06 | junix-other | i'll have to do look later |
| 20:53.09 | wols_ | sheldonh: you can run shell scripts if you want |
| 20:53.21 | wols_ | e.g when a interface comes up, goes down, etc |
| 20:53.26 | concept10 | Not anyone, but everyone uses that card. It's the only one in exsistence |
| 20:53.27 | xxl3w | woo, it worked. i don't know why it wasn't logged on as root |
| 20:53.30 | stew | sheldonh: not shell scriptish, but yes. |
| 20:53.30 | xxl3w | i su'd over to root |
| 20:53.39 | wols_ | but most is of the form "gateway x.x.x.x" and the like |
| 20:53.43 | edju | Is depmod the 2.6 equivalent of update-modules? If not, what is? |
| 20:53.46 | Azar | xxl3w: oh ok |
| 20:53.58 | waspius | concept10: http://www.pastebin.ca/392418 |
| 20:54.14 | martiancode | 5A |
| 20:54.20 | sheldonh | wols_, stew: okay, sounds doable. thanks |
| 20:54.43 | enouf | 6B? |
| 20:54.56 | wols_ | enouf: nah. 12V. or was it 3,3? |
| 20:55.06 | stew | sheldonh: if you google for /etc/network/interfaces you should find lots of examples. its very flexible however as well, letting you attach regular scripts to before/after interfaces being brought up/down |
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| 20:55.19 | concept10 | waspius, you have no windows partition in there. Or, are you trying to use samba |
| 20:55.28 | enouf | wols_: I don't see a question to answer .. |
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| 20:55.42 | wols_ | enouf: then why did you? :P |
| 20:55.52 | enouf | wols_: why not |
| 20:55.58 | xxl3w | weird, when i startx in root, icewm loads, but when i try it on this user, it crashes |
| 20:56.03 | enouf | !customer |
| 20:56.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 20:56.10 | karsten | Anyone seeing DST issues? I've noticed kernel is logging at -1h vs. relative time. |
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| 20:56.18 | sheldonh | stew: nice to hear, because gentoo's networking support is absolutely awesome, and we've grown quite attached :) |
| 20:56.18 | waspius | concept10: well i can see it in my computer |
| 20:56.26 | enouf | whoops back again |
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| 20:56.30 | Azar | xxl3w: weird, it should prevent you from using X as root |
| 20:56.34 | enouf | 7C |
| 20:56.42 | Wuilliam | hi to all, i will to install debian, but i dont know what Image put to download, is nessesary to download the 14cd?? sorry for the question, but i dont know how to do it |
| 20:56.51 | concept10 | waspius, you see it as ? (what) |
| 20:56.55 | xxl3w | really? |
| 20:57.00 | mfrisch | sheldonh freepbx debs are in the works |
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| 20:57.07 | erore | Is there a way to automatically change owner of the file when it is created to the different user? |
| 20:57.09 | xxl3w | maybe it's like windows and i should just do a complete reinstall? |
| 20:57.13 | streuner | Wuilliam: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:57.14 | enouf | Wuilliam: high-speed connection? |
| 20:57.15 | waspius | concept10: an icon |
| 20:57.17 | wols_ | Wuilliam: no. prefered is to use either a 150MB netinstall ISO or a the 1st CD only and install the rest via network |
| 20:57.32 | Azar | xxl3w: no it is not need for reinstall |
| 20:57.35 | sheldonh | mfrisch: bah, good luck! freepbx, while providing a great diaplan, is rubbishware that doesn't do package maintainers _any_ favours :( |
| 20:57.48 | xxl3w | seems like the easiest way to fix everything |
| 20:57.57 | sheldonh | mfrisch: spot the bitter freepbx admin :) |
| 20:58.10 | concept10 | waspius, can you be more vague? |
| 20:58.13 | wols_ | xxl3w: it certainly is the easiest way to not learn and get into the same problems again |
| 20:58.15 | xxl3w | i don't understand why it's working in root but not in this user's account |
| 20:58.19 | Azar | xxl3w: nope, there might be ways to get your user accessing/using X |
| 20:58.20 | Wuilliam | enouf i hava 1mb connection |
| 20:58.39 | wols_ | xxl3w: if it crashes, there are error messages |
| 20:59.06 | wols_ | Wuilliam: good enough. get the first CD or a netinstall only |
| 20:59.07 | concept10 | waspius, what does the icon say? |
| 20:59.17 | Azar | xxl3w: use a pastebin and paste all errors where X crashes on user |
| 20:59.23 | Wuilliam | ah ok, i will to download the 1st CD and 1st Update CD, is that well=? |
| 20:59.24 | waspius | concept10:it 16.8 gb volume |
| 20:59.29 | enouf | Wuilliam: ok .. a Daily build of netinstall should be fine .. "/msg dpkg ig" as noted via others |
| 20:59.35 | waspius | concept10: which is my windows partition |
| 20:59.36 | mfrisch | sheldonh there has debs for sarge for a while...freepbx brings alot of good tools together in one. I am in the process of just making a xen image for asterisk and whatever ui I choose. elastix looks good too but I like to control my jabber more |
| 20:59.37 | wols_ | Wuilliam: there is no Update CD |
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| 21:00.07 | enouf | Wuilliam: nothing wrong with st CD or 1st DVD even |
| 21:00.29 | enouf | er 1st* CD |
| 21:00.30 | wols_ | Wuilliam: and READ that install guide |
| 21:00.31 | mfrisch | sheldonh I would rather deal with freepbx's dialplan than no dialplan at all |
| 21:00.53 | concept10 | waspius, I dont know what file manager you are using. First off, you don't have that drive in your fstab, so I don't understand how it will be mounted. Unless you are using something with automatic mounting. |
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| 21:00.54 | sheldonh | mfrisch: we do too much custom work to leverage "voip in a can" distros, but are finding that what we save with gentoo's awesome package generation tools, we lose on not having binary security updates |
| 21:01.32 | twinkiman | does someone know how to resolve a frozen boot on a debian etch install on the spark arch |
| 21:01.33 | Wuilliam | yeah i reading about that, but im losed jejejeje, im reading tnks, i will to download only the 1st cd |
| 21:01.43 | justin | twinkiman: sparc? |
| 21:01.50 | twinkiman | yeah, sorry |
| 21:01.51 | Wuilliam | the update can be done by network? |
| 21:01.56 | sheldonh | i think i'll hold off on the desktop for now, though... gentoo is a great tinkertoy |
| 21:02.09 | waspius | concept10: it is nautilus |
| 21:02.17 | enouf | Wuilliam: yes |
| 21:02.20 | xxl3w | actually i got X to open after i removed all the .x* and .X* out of the home dir |
| 21:02.33 | wols_ | sheldonh: and this is a big reason why gentoo never will be a server, ever |
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| 21:02.46 | xxl3w | someone said icewm had desktop icons already? i really don't see any |
| 21:02.47 | wols_ | great enthusiast distro, not ready for "commercial use" |
| 21:02.47 | enouf | Wuilliam: what's your hardware ? |
| 21:02.47 | twinkiman | i've tried using install mem=384m ide=nodma ,but it freezes after it remapps the kernel and starts to boot linux |
| 21:02.52 | mfrisch | sheldonh gentoo is great in theory its it feesibility that makes it unusuable. freebsd also is in the works for freepbx but thats a long time coming. Freebsd is good in theory too, but when nothing works its just a waist of time |
| 21:02.58 | waspius | concept10: i also installed the apps necessary from ntfs-3g.org..but still i cannot mount it |
| 21:03.05 | concept10 | waspius, well nautilus will not automatically mount an ntfs. You have to mount it yourself manually, or add the entry to fstab |
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| 21:03.20 | sheldonh | wols_: well... it's a great starting point for distro developers |
| 21:03.31 | karsten | Any way to force a kernel log message, preferably harmless WRT system function? I need to test log timestamps. |
| 21:03.31 | sheldonh | wols_: but yeah, for us, the release engineering got too expensive |
| 21:03.34 | xxl3w | man, i feel like killing myself |
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| 21:03.43 | concept10 | waspius, maybe you need to recheck the instructions, looks like you forgot a step |
| 21:04.00 | xxl3w | who knew desktop icons could take up this much time. |
| 21:04.00 | wols_ | sheldonh: I'd rather use debian then as starting point. are there any distros starting from gentoo? all I see are tons of forks from debian |
| 21:04.02 | waspius | concept10: ok i will check..thanx |
| 21:04.05 | twinkiman | karsten: `log something` |
| 21:04.16 | dutchfish | is there a deb for etch for the package xvidcap coming? i got stuck with its install because it needs an older glibc |
| 21:04.19 | sheldonh | wols_: *shrug* dunno, i know of at least three inhouse server distros based on gentoo |
| 21:04.20 | enouf | xxl3w: nobody uses desktop .. let a alone icons |
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| 21:04.41 | Danielss89 | hi, can i see how many files is in a folder and how much space it takes? |
| 21:04.56 | dutchfish | Danielss89, du -h |
| 21:04.56 | wols_ | xxl3w: desktop icons obscure your l337 wallpaper and therefore strongly discouraged |
| 21:04.57 | sheldonh | wols_: my beef with debian has always been that, while the package management rocks, the package development environment suh-HUCKS |
| 21:05.01 | xxl3w | llol. |
| 21:05.04 | xxl3w | indeed. |
| 21:05.10 | enouf | Danielss89: yes .. du -h ./dir |
| 21:05.15 | Danielss89 | ah ok |
| 21:05.16 | Danielss89 | thx |
| 21:05.17 | xxl3w | apparently so |
| 21:05.27 | xxl3w | i enjoy the desktop for frequently used applications |
| 21:05.37 | wols_ | xxl3w: get a dock |
| 21:05.38 | xxl3w | saves some clicking steps (ESPECIALLY in icewm) |
| 21:05.44 | concept10 | waspius, if you look here, you have to mount the drive: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html#installation |
| 21:05.44 | sheldonh | wols_: but i'm starting to think that debian's binary updates would outshine the lost productivity in custom package creation |
| 21:05.47 | xxl3w | why, when there should be a desktop already there? |
| 21:05.51 | xxl3w | i don't use gay wallpapers |
| 21:05.55 | dutchfish | anyone has get xvidcap working in etch? |
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| 21:06.02 | enouf | Danielss89: forget the ./ .. just type the full path |
| 21:06.04 | xxl3w | if i wanted a personlized r337 wallpaper, i'd use myspace |
| 21:06.06 | Danielss89 | can i see how many files is in the folder too enouf?? |
| 21:06.13 | wols_ | !anyone xvidcap |
| 21:06.29 | enouf | Danielss89: sure .. ls | wc -l .. i think |
| 21:06.30 | mfrisch | Danielss89 ls -la |wc -l |
| 21:06.35 | xxl3w | i can't believe this has took so long though, heh |
| 21:06.47 | xxl3w | i guess i should just install win95 on these ancients machines |
| 21:06.58 | xxl3w | atleast it has desktop icons and an easy startup menu :P |
| 21:07.00 | enouf | Danielss89: sure .. ls /path/to/dir | wc -l .. i think |
| 21:07.08 | twinkiman | !anyone troubleshoot frozen sparc etch install? |
| 21:07.11 | Danielss89 | oki-... |
| 21:07.21 | mfrisch | xxl3w but it won't take so long the next time right? |
| 21:07.21 | dutchfish | or is there something alike in the repos for xvidcap? |
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| 21:07.24 | xxl3w | wish i had new hardware to work on, it'd be much easier. but then again, i could just install XP |
| 21:07.27 | wols_ | twinkiman: #debian-sparc ? over at oftc I thing |
| 21:07.30 | wols_ | *think |
| 21:07.31 | enouf | Danielss89: if you already in the PWD you can use ./ |
| 21:07.37 | concept10 | waspius, all you really need to do is add the last line on that page to /etc/fstab, and do a "mount -a" from the cmd line |
| 21:07.38 | xxl3w | actually, it's going to be a pain doing this on 30 machines |
| 21:07.40 | enouf | s/you/your |
| 21:07.43 | xxl3w | "edit this, edit that" |
| 21:07.53 | bzed | xxl3w: have a look into FAI |
| 21:07.56 | twinkiman | thanks wols_ |
| 21:07.59 | xxl3w | with win95, i could just drag-n-drop :P |
| 21:08.11 | enouf | Danielss89: PWD == Parent Working Dir |
| 21:08.13 | waspius | concept10: ok thank you |
| 21:08.19 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.21 | dutchfish | xxl3w, bah gnome does this much better and faster |
| 21:08.25 | xxl3w | i'm about to take my chances with running gnome |
| 21:08.25 | Danielss89 | ive found out now.. |
| 21:08.27 | wols_ | xxl3w: ever heard of the "cp" command? not to mention if it's standard WM you want tot change you don't edit ~/.xsession |
| 21:08.43 | twinkiman | wols_: it would help if iwasn't the only one in there |
| 21:08.50 | concept10 | waspius, but you need to make a /mnt/windows directory |
| 21:09.06 | concept10 | waspius, (if you dont have one already)\ |
| 21:09.14 | xxl3w | sure, i've heard of the cp command. |
| 21:09.23 | xxl3w | but i bet it's a huge pain to network these machines |
| 21:09.30 | xxl3w | it's already a pain to setup desktop icons. |
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| 21:09.50 | enouf | xxl3w: blame your DE |
| 21:09.54 | wols_ | xxl3w: what machines are those? for what? |
| 21:10.02 | xxl3w | amd 350s |
| 21:10.02 | mfrisch | xxl3w even better use ssh scp after setting up a base system. I think there is pararrel-ssh clients so you could do it all at once |
| 21:10.10 | xxl3w | all they have to do is terminal service to our warehouse software |
| 21:10.22 | wols_ | xxl3w: rdesktop? |
| 21:10.26 | xxl3w | yea |
| 21:10.38 | wols_ | then why do you dicker with WMs and such? |
| 21:10.39 | mfrisch | xxl3w your network is independent of the clients running on it |
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| 21:11.02 | xxl3w | i need a WM to rdesktop |
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| 21:11.19 | enouf | xxl3w: you like dickering? .. hehe |
| 21:11.21 | sheldonh | is this book hot? The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques |
| 21:11.35 | concept10 | sheldonh, as fire |
| 21:11.37 | xxl3w | sure, whatever gets the job done |
| 21:11.49 | enouf | sheldonh: likely yes .. but also /msg dpkg reference |
| 21:11.56 | bzed | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Shadow-Password-HOWTO-2.html somebody needs to rewrite thise, lol |
| 21:11.57 | waspius | concept10: do u know what exactly i need to add as a line?under type do i put ntfs...under options rw,user,auto and under dump and pass nothing? |
| 21:12.00 | wols_ | xxl3w: but you certainly do NOT need desktop icons for rdesktop |
| 21:12.12 | xxl3w | yes i do, we have a timeout with the termIDs |
| 21:12.13 | wols_ | and actually, no you do not need a WM for rdesktop either |
| 21:12.15 | enouf | !update bzed |
| 21:12.18 | xxl3w | if it closes they won't know how to get back into it |
| 21:12.23 | enouf | bah |
| 21:12.29 | xxl3w | and i'm not running around the warehouse typing rdesktop ........ |
| 21:12.30 | bzed | !pet enouf |
| 21:12.32 | wols_ | easy: reboot |
| 21:12.33 | bzed | :( |
| 21:12.45 | enouf | she's relaxing .. |
| 21:12.46 | xxl3w | lol |
| 21:12.49 | xxl3w | just tell them to reboot? |
| 21:12.50 | dutchfish | !monday |
| 21:12.51 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 21:13.11 | concept10 | waspius, /dev/<your partition> /media/<mount point> ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0 (Officially found on The Google*TM) |
| 21:13.20 | mfrisch | xxl3w ctrl-alt-backspace closes an X session |
| 21:13.32 | wols_ | concept10: ntfs-3g is in debian? by default? |
| 21:13.34 | waspius | concept10: thank you |
| 21:13.58 | karsten | sheldonh: That books *defines* hawt, kicks the definition's, takes hawt names, and kicks the hawt names asses. |
| 21:14.01 | concept10 | wols_, I don't know if debian has packaged 1.0 yet |
| 21:14.04 | wols_ | xxl3w: yes, you should install a decent displaymanager and icewm would be started automaticaly |
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| 21:14.08 | enouf | !tell waspius -about ntfs-3g |
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| 21:14.14 | nailll | .йгш |
| 21:14.14 | karsten | s/kicks the definition's/& ass/ |
| 21:14.22 | enouf | heh |
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| 21:14.36 | Assid | hrmm |
| 21:14.36 | wols_ | just wanted to see how it feels... |
| 21:14.37 | concept10 | wols_, no, they still have RC's, but its supposed to be stable now |
| 21:14.43 | karsten | wols_: My ass kicks your ass's ass. |
| 21:14.48 | enouf | !spank karsten 's ass |
| 21:14.54 | wols_ | but I have the sexier ass! |
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| 21:15.10 | dutchfish | !sex |
| 21:15.11 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 21:15.14 | sheldonh | karsten: a glowing recommendation, then? *cackle* |
| 21:15.15 | karsten | wols_: I have the sexier sheep |
| 21:15.20 | karsten | sheldonh: Aye. |
| 21:15.31 | t0k3n | how do i search the apt db? |
| 21:15.34 | karsten | sheldonh: You'll find me ack'd in the book, and I'm still learning shit from it. |
| 21:15.36 | t0k3n | i tried apt-get search name lol |
| 21:15.37 | enouf | dutchfish: don't tempt me ;-) |
| 21:15.43 | karsten | !tell t0k3n about search |
| 21:15.46 | wols_ | karsten: never. Guerin_ will spank you for even thinking that |
| 21:15.53 | sheldonh | karsten: the toc looks comprehensive |
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| 21:15.58 | t0k3n | oh its cache ty lol |
| 21:15.58 | xxl3w | woo |
| 21:15.59 | concept10 | I need to install ntfs-3g, so I can finally get around to backing up my ntfs partition and eventually erasing it |
| 21:16.05 | xxl3w | is nautilus too big just to have icons? |
| 21:16.06 | karsten | sheldonh: It rawks. |
| 21:16.06 | xxl3w | lol. |
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| 21:16.20 | enouf | what's nautilus? |
| 21:16.24 | dutchfish | enouf, :) |
| 21:16.26 | enouf | captain nemo? |
| 21:16.28 | xxl3w | *shrug* |
| 21:16.30 | sheldonh | karsten: having that, is Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible worth having? i'm not usually a wiley books fan |
| 21:16.30 | wols_ | karsten: do you get royalties for every copy sold? |
| 21:16.35 | karsten | sheldonh: There's one way in which it sucks, which is that it makes me want to find the equivalent book for RH, except that there isn't one and never will be. |
| 21:16.41 | xxl3w | it has desktop icons! |
| 21:16.48 | karsten | sheldonh: Nope. Bibles are ass, they don't kick 'em. |
| 21:17.01 | sheldonh | karsten: fortunately, i'm in not danger of giving a FCF about redhat :) |
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| 21:17.14 | karsten | wols_: oYes, I get royalties on *every* copy sold ... |
| 21:17.21 | concept10 | xxl3w, you need to remove the icon descriptions, and they will be nice and small |
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| 21:17.27 | karsten | wols_: ... at the incredible and eternally fixed rate of ... |
| 21:17.30 | karsten | wols_: ... 0%. |
| 21:17.32 | xxl3w | bah, not worried about that |
| 21:17.45 | xxl3w | now i need to figure out how to load nautilus when i startx |
| 21:17.52 | wols_ | xxl3w: what cpu and ram do these machines have? |
| 21:17.59 | xxl3w | ohh god. |
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| 21:18.08 | xxl3w | AMD 350 128 mb ram |
| 21:18.37 | karsten | sheldonh: My essential books: Debian Linux System, UNIX Power Tools, Linux in a Nutshell. After that, the Debian online docs, and any _good_ books particularly relevant to what it is you're trying to learn at the moment, though online sources are tending to beat books coming and going these days. |
| 21:18.42 | wols_ | fortunately rdesktop is lean |
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| 21:19.08 | xxl3w | think it'll be ok? |
| 21:19.14 | karsten | xxl3w: Eeeeewwwww! Nautilus. |
| 21:19.16 | concept10 | xxl3w, do you need a GUI to complete the tasks you need? |
| 21:19.26 | wols_ | xxl3w: just that nautilus is a pig |
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| 21:19.39 | xxl3w | really, all i need is a desktop icon and a way to load rdesktop |
| 21:19.40 | wols_ | concept10: all he needs is rdesktop |
| 21:19.44 | xxl3w | heh, that's all |
| 21:19.48 | karsten | xxl3w: I'd strongly suggest a lighter desktop. KDE >>> GNOME, and XFCE4 is probably better for your kit than either. |
| 21:19.55 | wols_ | and for this, for some unfathomable reason, thinks he needs desktop icons |
| 21:20.05 | karsten | xxl3w: echo exec rdesktop > ~/.xsession |
| 21:20.06 | concept10 | wols_, rdesktop? try ZSH |
| 21:20.06 | michuk | tuxido: here is some more info on linux console: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Power_of_Linux_Console |
| 21:20.25 | wols_ | concept10: I dunno if ZSH can connect to windows terminal server... |
| 21:20.32 | karsten | xxl3w: That will automatically start rdesktop when you launch X, as the only X client. |
| 21:20.37 | concept10 | michuk, any article on digg wont display the power of nothing |
| 21:20.43 | karsten | xxl3w: ... there are variations on that theme, but that's a way to flyl. |
| 21:21.05 | wols_ | xxl3w: and if the user closes rdesktop. X closes and he's back at the login prompt |
| 21:21.08 | sheldonh | karsten: i prefer concept books over technically specific books, but lately we've had time crunches, in which case trees must die |
| 21:21.17 | dutchfish | could someone plz help me out. I am in a need of something like xvidcap to finish my video instructions, anything (for lan use only) will do |
| 21:21.30 | orestyle8 | can I use wild cards to search for channels in irc? |
| 21:21.41 | lunitik | orestyle8: uhh... try it? |
| 21:21.44 | sparrw | whats a good channel for X app development questions? |
| 21:21.46 | concept10 | wow, some kid discovered the command line |
| 21:21.50 | waspius | concept10: /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g: /usr/lib/libfuse.so.2: version `FUSE_2.6' not found (required by /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g) |
| 21:21.53 | sheldonh | karsten: i'm still annoyed that ora haven't published a fourth edition of Linux Device Drivers |
| 21:21.59 | xxl3w | that didn't work |
| 21:22.02 | xxl3w | it crashed xwindows |
| 21:22.05 | h3sp4wn | xxl3w: probably need an ip of the terminal server in there also (unless rdesktop has changed since I last used it - i.e 6 years ago) |
| 21:22.11 | waspius | concept10: that is what i get mount -a |
| 21:22.17 | stew | orestyle8: yes "/list #debian*" or "/msg chanserv list #debian*" for examples |
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| 21:22.26 | concept10 | waspius, check your fuse version |
| 21:22.31 | xxl3w | actually, it did it last time i created a .xsession |
| 21:22.38 | enouf | orestyle8: sure |
| 21:22.44 | orestyle8 | thanks stew, lots of wild cards out there... |
| 21:22.51 | enouf | oh .. stew gotcha covered |
| 21:22.59 | sheldonh | wols_: oh one more thing... does debian allow the use of a PREFIX=/usr system (i.e. no /usr/local)? |
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| 21:23.10 | xxl3w | it says something abotu "waiting for X server to shutdown FreeFontPatch "/.../..." refcount is 2, should be 1: fixing. |
| 21:23.15 | xxl3w | but i try it again and it just says the same thing |
| 21:23.34 | waspius | concept10: how do i do that? |
| 21:23.40 | wols_ | sheldonh: use for what? |
| 21:23.46 | enouf | patching fonts ? .. oh dear |
| 21:23.57 | orestyle8 | one reason for moving to linux, win server will not update ntp so of course time is one hour off. But hey, the other linux server are syncing just fine... |
| 21:24.10 | xxl3w | ohh, i added a IP and it worked |
| 21:24.24 | wols_ | orestyle8: there are patches for this, even for windows. If it's the DST issue that is |
| 21:24.24 | concept10 | waspius, dpkg -l | grep fuse |
| 21:24.40 | xxl3w | cool, i just wish i had a WM though, because theyre going to freak out when it crashes back to commandline |
| 21:24.44 | wols_ | but yes, windows never was a server |
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| 21:24.47 | sheldonh | wols_: in other words, can i easily convince debian's package management system that i want stuff in /usr, not /usr/local? |
| 21:24.54 | wols_ | xxl3w: install a displaymanager |
| 21:24.56 | dutchfish | orestyle8, windows does ntp update |
| 21:25.04 | sheldonh | wols_: some distros are quite insistent on the use of a specific PREFIX |
| 21:25.13 | enouf | concept10: fwiw dpkg -l <pkg> <pkg> works as well ;-) |
| 21:25.18 | wols_ | sheldonh: sure. write the proper /debian/ config files and you can put files anywhere you want |
| 21:25.19 | waspius | concept10: i got the 2.5 version how to i upgrade that..because i did the apt-get upgrade command a while ago and it only upgraded one file |
| 21:25.35 | dutchfish | orestyle8, its just in-acuarte like hell and takes hours to synchronize a domain |
| 21:25.36 | wols_ | sheldonh: what do you think how debian itself does it? |
| 21:25.37 | orestyle8 | I figured the reg edit would take care of any issues with ntp and I could manual the ntp update, but no go. NTP server set up on debian and working fine and updating other debian servers, now if only win would give peace a chance.. |
| 21:25.51 | sheldonh | wols_: i've no idea, man :) |
| 21:25.51 | karsten | sheldonh: Have you looked at Greg K-H's Kernel in a Nutshell book? Not quite the same. Actually, not by a long shot. |
| 21:25.53 | enouf | concept10: fwiw dpkg -l <pkg> <pkg> ... <pkg> .. but i usually throw a wildcard in ther for stuff like apache or alsa .. |
| 21:25.56 | concept10 | waspius, you upgrade it in normal fashion, you should be able to find a new version |
| 21:25.58 | orestyle8 | I have done a reload (net start and stop on server) |
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| 21:26.09 | waspius | concept10: ok |
| 21:26.19 | sheldonh | karsten: i read robert love's linux kernel development, that that was miles away from "here's how to write device drivers" |
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| 21:26.22 | concept10 | enouf, that way sucks |
| 21:26.30 | enouf | concept10: no |
| 21:26.30 | wols_ | waspius: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:26.36 | dutchfish | orestyle8, just point it to your linux box with ntpd properly configged |
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| 21:26.44 | waspius | wols_: i think 3.1 |
| 21:26.45 | orestyle8 | I know this in not the place to talk about win issues, but actually I just like smiling about the linux working fine |
| 21:26.53 | sheldonh | karsten: excellent book, but you need a "and here's how to write drivers" companion |
| 21:26.59 | enouf | it's much shorter and cleaner than |grep pkg |
| 21:27.02 | wols_ | waspius: that's why there is no fuse 2.6 I'd say: too old |
| 21:27.06 | wols_ | etch should have it tho |
| 21:27.17 | waspius | wols_: i have etch |
| 21:27.22 | sheldonh | karsten: the ora Linux Device Drivers book was great, but 2.4 is old news |
| 21:27.22 | concept10 | enouf, for example .. dpkg -l | grep fuse gives me results, dpkg -l fuse doesnt |
| 21:27.24 | wols_ | etch is not 3.1 |
| 21:27.28 | enouf | though grep isn't dirty |
| 21:27.40 | dutchfish | orestyle8, most of the time active directory is messing up time in a domain |
| 21:27.43 | xxl3w | hmm, what's a light displat manager? |
| 21:27.44 | waspius | wols_: then i dont have 3.1 : |
| 21:27.46 | orestyle8 | dutchfish: So, I go into the reg and do that, configure ntp, set the update time and even put the ip address ( so I dont have to add the 0x1 to the end for dns) and nothing.. |
| 21:27.59 | h3sp4wn | concept10: if you are using zsh you need to use \* |
| 21:28.01 | enouf | concept10: then your fuse is broken .. try dpkg -l fuse* |
| 21:28.07 | xxl3w | display |
| 21:28.11 | wols_ | waspius: what happens if you apt-get ntfs-3g? |
| 21:28.32 | waspius | wols_: invalid operation |
| 21:28.40 | sheldonh | anyway, i think i have enough to take the next step. wols_, stew, karsten... thanks for the input. see y'all in about 3 weeks, i guess :) |
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| 21:28.46 | orestyle8 | This is basically just getting the system to play with linux, then I can start the tear down... But I have looked at several tech docs... |
| 21:28.56 | dutchfish | orestyle8, what about net time /? on your domain server? |
| 21:28.57 | wols_ | waspius: use your brain, whatever you have left of it |
| 21:29.08 | wols_ | don't just blindly write down what's typed inhere |
| 21:29.15 | enouf | concept10: it was just a fwiwi anyway .. no biggy .. it's all good .. no worries |
| 21:29.18 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, im on zsh, and that didnt work: dpkg -l /*fuse (is that what you meant) |
| 21:29.21 | concept10 | ? |
| 21:29.27 | dutchfish | orestyle8, also there is a small tool for what you want to do |
| 21:30.48 | waspius | wols_: ok..that i got the newest version |
| 21:30.49 | h3sp4wn | concept10: I ment - dpkg -l fuse\* |
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| 21:30.50 | concept10 | h3sp4wn, ohhh, thanks man (im still getting used to zsh) |
| 21:30.50 | mo1991 | can someone explain to me how to fix this daylight savings time thing? read the dpkg message - I am using etch - looked for tzdata package and I have the latest package 2007b-1 and do not see the package shown in the dpkg msg in the etch repositories - |
| 21:30.50 | concept10 | enouf, sorry man, i forgot to tell you im using zsh, your way works in bash |
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| 21:31.03 | mo1991 | zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007 still shows the nov 4th date |
| 21:31.06 | mo1991 | can someone help me |
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| 21:31.09 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: run tzconfig; |
| 21:31.11 | dutchfish | mo1991, tzconfig (after update upgrade)? |
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| 21:31.26 | mo1991 | after the daylight savings update show in the topic above |
| 21:31.27 | enouf | concept10: nah .. it's my fault for butting in .. ;-0 |
| 21:31.39 | enouf | unnecessarily |
| 21:31.42 | orestyle8 | dutchfish: If you have a link that would be great. I have messed with the registry all that I can stand... I figure if I can't gently ease it into the round hole, then I'm gonna start forcing it.... |
| 21:31.45 | mo1991 | daylight savings in the US happens 3 weeks earlier this year than previously |
| 21:31.58 | dutchfish | orestyle8, sysinternals.com |
| 21:32.01 | concept10 | enouf, but another thing is that your way shows descriptions, I rather see package names |
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| 21:32.07 | orestyle8 | ya heard we get a whole 4 more weeks total |
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| 21:32.13 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: yes, I know. Run tzconfig. |
| 21:32.21 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - and do what |
| 21:32.29 | mo1991 | change my timezone - my timezone is correct? |
| 21:32.41 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: select the same timezone. |
| 21:32.54 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: your timezone is correct, but /etc/localtime is wrong. |
| 21:32.58 | enouf | concept10: it's great for stuff like alsa* .. but using |grep ^.i is even better for installed only |
| 21:33.02 | orestyle8 | at first I was telling everyone it was going away, then I got the email... Only four weeks, so now we still get to deal with changing the clocks.. Kids love it when I tell them that we actually change the time.. |
| 21:33.11 | dutchfish | orestyle8, dont force time to jump, you will loose connections and othe rnasty stuff, take my word for it |
| 21:33.31 | dutchfish | orestyle8, hey what can you expect, its windows |
| 21:33.51 | enouf | concept10: the alsa* ex helps to show which pkgs (if any) you might be missing installed, that you may want |
| 21:33.57 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - still give me wrong time |
| 21:34.12 | orestyle8 | dutchfish: I was restarting the service, then did the w32tm or w32time /resync and time when back one hour from what it was supposed to. |
| 21:34.42 | dutchfish | orestyle8, you did install the patches for this time issue? |
| 21:35.02 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: what does dpkg -l tzdata; say? are you runing tzconfig as root? |
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| 21:36.06 | orestyle8 | dutchfish: Not sure or no.. I think I try to stay away from patch tuesday ( or any other ms patch) but I can totally check... But shoudn't I be able to make all this happen manual. If ms can do it..... :) |
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| 21:36.21 | dutchfish | orestyle8, you cant use w32tm btw in a domain, its AD that does the job then, read MS |
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| 21:37.37 | orestyle8 | I have AD looking at the timeserver, it always has... not sure why time is not changing, but no fear, I am doing a windows update ... All should be fine.. :P |
| 21:37.43 | mo1991 | once I do a tzconfig - does it change the time to correct or do I hae to resave the time |
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| 21:37.57 | dutchfish | orestyle8, you only need the time related fixes |
| 21:37.57 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.18 | dutchfish | mo1991, answer the questions that tzconfig asks and you will be fine |
| 21:39.30 | mo1991 | dutchfish - I did |
| 21:40.27 | mo1991 | zdump -v /etc/localtime|grep 2007 |
| 21:40.27 | t0k3n | how do i update my time? |
| 21:40.28 | mo1991 | shows /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 07:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 01:59:59 2007 CST isdst=0 gmtoff=-21600 |
| 21:40.28 | mo1991 | /etc/localtime Sun Mar 11 08:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Mar 11 03:00:00 2007 CDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-18000 |
| 21:40.28 | mo1991 | /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 06:59:59 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:59:59 2007 CDT isdst=1 gmtoff=-18000 |
| 21:40.28 | mo1991 | /etc/localtime Sun Nov 4 07:00:00 2007 UTC = Sun Nov 4 01:00:00 2007 CST isdst=0 gmtoff=-21600 |
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| 21:40.28 | dutchfish | mo1991, next you have the synchronize time per example: ntpdate [timeserver} |
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| 21:40.29 | t0k3n | its an hour off lol |
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| 21:40.39 | streuner | t0k3n: Dual-Boot? |
| 21:40.43 | t0k3n | nope |
| 21:40.44 | dondelelcaro | t0k3n: is date -u; correct? |
| 21:40.47 | t0k3n | debain only |
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| 21:40.58 | waspius | wols_: ? |
| 21:41.01 | t0k3n | Debian:/home/token# date -u |
| 21:41.01 | t0k3n | Mon Mar 12 20:38:41 UTC 2007 |
| 21:41.01 | t0k3n | Debian:/home/token# |
| 21:41.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell t0k3n -about set the time |
| 21:41.41 | dondelelcaro | it's 21:41:40, not 20:41:40 |
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| 21:42.42 | t0k3n | HAHA i got it |
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| 21:42.46 | t0k3n | i installed ntpdate |
| 21:42.50 | LiENUS | where does debian put isql for firebird? |
| 21:43.00 | orestyle8 | dutchfish: doing the 72 mb update.. Hopefully there is some digital goodness in that dl... |
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| 21:43.25 | orestyle8 | looking foreward to something working today.. |
| 21:43.26 | dutchfish | orestyle8, fingers crossed, you just need the time fixes only |
| 21:43.28 | mo1991 | dutchfish - any ideas |
| 21:43.34 | _kritical | Hi there, I'm creating a debian package.. it's a simple script which gets executed by a crontab entry.. where is the correct place to place the script in the file structure? |
| 21:43.44 | mo1991 | do I have to download a special package that would not already be updated? |
| 21:43.52 | dondelelcaro | _kritical: will anything else be running this script? |
| 21:43.56 | junix-other | i need some help getting a Promise Fastrack TX2 IDE RAID controller mounted in Debian Sarge |
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| 21:43.58 | stew | _kritical: is it ever correct for a user to run the script? |
| 21:43.58 | mo1991 | my system is updated to the debian repository |
| 21:44.00 | orestyle8 | sweet, will let you know... appreciate the help... Your not BG are you? :) |
| 21:44.05 | dutchfish | mo1991, ntpdate [timeserver] |
| 21:44.12 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: your timezone file is correct; I'm not sure what you're complaining about. |
| 21:44.26 | x_link | Why do I always have more free RAM when I have just rebooted? |
| 21:44.35 | _kritical | dondelelcaro, stew: Well.. maybe in a future version.. but they really shouldn't need to... |
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| 21:44.39 | dutchfish | x_link, cache isnt filled |
| 21:44.46 | dondelelcaro | !free ram |
| 21:44.46 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 21:44.50 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I'm complaining cause my time still says 3:44 after reboot |
| 21:45.14 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: the zoneinfo file is correct; if the time is wrong it's because your clock is set wrong. Run ntpdate and fix it. |
| 21:45.15 | dutchfish | mo1991, apt-get install ntpdate |
| 21:45.15 | _kritical | dondelelcaro, stew: Can you tell me both locations for if a user might need to run the script and if the user doesn't need to run the script? |
| 21:45.29 | dutchfish | mo1991, man ntpdate |
| 21:45.30 | dondelelcaro | _kritical: /usr/share/<foopkg>/fooscript if no, /usr/bin/fooscript if yes. |
| 21:45.39 | _kritical | dondelelcaro, thanks so much =) |
| 21:45.40 | _kaiser_ | hello, I have been trying to set the PATH for sudo, and if I do "sudo echo $PATH" I get the correct path, but "sudo env" displays a different value for the PATH, any help woudl be great? |
| 21:45.55 | stew | _kritical: and if only superuser might run it: /usr/sbin |
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| 21:46.01 | dutchfish | !env |
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| 21:46.21 | dondelelcaro | _kritical: the first is echoing the calling shells $PATH, not the PATH within sudo. |
| 21:46.32 | dondelelcaro | _kritical: compare sudo sh -c 'echo $PATH'; |
| 21:46.36 | _kritical | dondelelcaro, stew: sorry I should have mentioned that the script is executed as root.. it's a simple script which checks for security updates |
| 21:46.50 | dondelelcaro | _kritical: yeah, /usr/sbin/fooscript then is probably the best. |
| 21:46.53 | thedonvaughn | ah sweet just got Etch on my Proliant 1600, slap that up as a free co-lo now :) |
| 21:47.07 | dondelelcaro | _kritical: and that sounds like a script that root may want to run manually |
| 21:47.09 | mo1991 | dutchfish dondelelcaro - command not found - cannot find this package in the etch repository?? |
| 21:47.20 | mo1991 | nptdate |
| 21:47.26 | wols_ | ntp |
| 21:47.27 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: ntpdate, not nptdate. |
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| 21:47.28 | dutchfish | mo1991, ntpdate |
| 21:47.37 | stephane_ | Hi |
| 21:47.42 | _kaiser_ | dondelelcaro: how can you change the path for sudo? |
| 21:47.46 | _kritical | dondelelcaro, well it's setup to email a notification if a security update is found.. so it's not really setup to be run manually at this stage |
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| 21:48.44 | enouf | dutchfish: heh .. took me a while to realize the diff manpages (env vs environ) .. care to make a factoid? |
| 21:48.47 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - so without this package (I have the standard etch desktop enviroment) the time will not change for daylight savings and vice versa? |
| 21:48.48 | dondelelcaro | _kaiser_: you don't, gnerally. If you really need to, do something like sudo sh -c 'PATH=foo ...'; etc. |
| 21:48.54 | _kritical | dondelelcaro, in the case the script should be run as root but not executed manually.. would it still go in /usr/sbin ? |
| 21:49.13 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: it has nothing to do with daylight savings. It has everything to do with setting your clock correctly. |
| 21:49.13 | dutchfish | enouf, sorry i missed something? |
| 21:49.25 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: your clock is set 1 hour off for some reason. |
| 21:49.40 | enouf | dutchfish: saw you trying to get dokg to say something about !env |
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| 21:50.29 | dondelelcaro | _kritical: no, /usr/share/<foopkg> |
| 21:50.30 | enouf | s/dokg/dpkg |
| 21:50.30 | dutchfish | enouf, yes i expected to be in dpkg |
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| 21:50.31 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I understand what your saying - my point is that the clock should have changed yesterday and it didn't - it has the correct time before the change should have happened. |
| 21:50.31 | enouf | dpkg: I called you dokg |
| 21:50.32 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: no, the clock should *NOT* have changed. All that should have changed is the current localtime's reference to the clock. |
| 21:50.49 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: the system clock is always UTC. Your clock is set incorrectly by one hour. |
| 21:50.49 | enouf | dpkg: forgive me? |
| 21:50.50 | dpkg | Well, enouf boy, I guess I could do that. But I believe forgiving is God's job, I'm just arranging the meeting. *blows enouf head apart with .44 magnum* |
| 21:51.05 | _kaiser_ | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll give that a try. |
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| 21:51.14 | dutchfish | !lol |
| 21:51.14 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:52.08 | dondelelcaro | ugh. I hope not |
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| 21:52.28 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: I'm about 98% sure it does |
| 21:52.31 | sheldonh | where can i find out what wireless drivers are included in the testing netinst iso? |
| 21:52.33 | _kaiser_ | dondelelcaro: thank you, thank you, thank you. :) |
| 21:52.37 | dondelelcaro | _kaiser_: np |
| 21:52.46 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: well, hopefully it does absolutely nothing |
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| 21:53.04 | cookoo | i want to set up a home network with 3 pc's i want to use 2 pc's and the third i want to use as a sound and print server does that sound reasonable? |
| 21:53.07 | stephane_ | Hi.. need an advice. I've installed "teamspeak-client" on my Debian/etch .. But when i laucnh "teampseak" an error occurs " Runtime error 230 at 0806A7E9 /usr/bin/teamspeak: line 6: 4879 Exception en point flottant " Any idea of this problem? |
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| 21:53.36 | dutchfish | enouf, but can you help me out with a screen grabber that makes little videos like xvidcap, i nerved myself to get it working under etch but no go |
| 21:53.41 | wols_ | stephane_: teamspeak is not in debian, is it? |
| 21:53.41 | sts | hello folks |
| 21:53.50 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: What desktop do you use, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 21:53.52 | sts | is there a way to watch someone elses screen session? |
| 21:53.55 | streuner | stephane_: what does BTS say about? |
| 21:54.00 | wols_ | stephane_: screen -x |
| 21:54.01 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: I don't use one |
| 21:54.14 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: what WM then? |
| 21:54.36 | stephane_ | Wols- yes Debain provide teamspeak-client " aptitude install teamspeak-client" |
| 21:54.44 | Agrajag- | hmm a workmate somehow managed to install sarge on a box with an amd kernel instead of i686. it obviously doesn't boot. is tehre a way to fix this with the normal sarge cd without reinstalling everything? |
| 21:54.53 | dondelelcaro | wols_: ion3 |
| 21:55.00 | wols_ | stephane_: non-free |
| 21:55.17 | stephane_ | maybe wols_ |
| 21:55.19 | stephane_ | lol |
| 21:55.32 | wols_ | meaning: no source, meaning, can't be debugged. meaning: no way to get help except from teamspeak people |
| 21:55.35 | stephane_ | what is it BTS wols_ |
| 21:55.36 | dutchfish | any althernative for xvidcap? |
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| 21:55.45 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 21:55.45 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 21:55.46 | wols_ | !tell stephane_ about bts |
| 21:55.47 | streuner | stephane_: forget that then |
| 21:56.13 | RvGaTe | when will the nvidia drivers update on testing ? |
| 21:56.26 | streuner | nvidia-glx? |
| 21:56.28 | wols_ | etch is frozen: never |
| 21:56.41 | karsten | When does Sid freeze? |
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| 21:56.48 | RvGaTe | karsten, never |
| 21:56.49 | dkr | also never |
| 21:56.50 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:56.50 | wols_ | karsten: shortly after hell |
| 21:56.59 | karsten | !win wols_ |
| 21:57.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols_! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:57.05 | RvGaTe | \o/ |
| 21:57.14 | jzu | http://unikko.org/unikko.php |
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| 21:57.23 | jzu | yeahaa.. |
| 21:57.35 | RvGaTe | small one :P |
| 21:57.50 | wols_ | dutchfish: why does xvidcap not work for you? |
| 21:57.51 | stephane_ | wols_ : screen -x ->> There is no screen to be attached |
| 21:57.52 | SlayerXP | talking of spam, I'm thinking of offering my anti-spam mail service for free to open source projects. |
| 21:57.58 | sheldonh | anyone know if the x86 testing netinst iso provides the ipw2200 wireless nic driver and supports wpa/psk? |
| 21:58.02 | jzu | RvGaTe: yeah :) |
| 21:58.03 | xxl3w | well, i have rdesktop loading in on startup from .xsession but the problem is now, everytime i logout of rdesktop is logs out of xwindows |
| 21:58.06 | SlayerXP | I should probably make some marketing blurb up |
| 21:58.09 | wols_ | stephane_: must be same account as running screen |
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| 21:58.11 | dutchfish | wols_, i cant get it installed because it needs a earlier libc6 |
| 21:58.18 | streuner | SlayerXP: yeah :-) |
| 21:58.23 | jzu | RvGaTe: small beast - 2x 300MHz UltraSPARC2, 2GB RAM |
| 21:58.29 | wols_ | dutchfish: how much earlier? |
| 21:58.35 | sheldonh | i'm thinking, since i have a spare laptop drive knocking about, i might not need to wait for lab boxes |
| 21:58.36 | dutchfish | wols_, and also liblame0 |
| 21:58.36 | RvGaTe | jzu, kinky |
| 21:58.46 | melodos | where is jdk installed on my debian?? |
| 21:58.47 | stephane_ | ok wols_ |
| 21:58.49 | dutchfish | wols_, let me check |
| 21:58.53 | stew | sheldonh: it provides the driver but not the firmware needed to actually use the driver (which is non-free and must be downloaded separately from ipw2200.sf.net) |
| 21:59.00 | wols_ | melodos: didn't you ask that before? |
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| 21:59.04 | xxl3w | if i put a & after rdesktop command, will Xwindows keep runing after i close rdesktop? |
| 21:59.08 | stew | sheldonh: i don't know about wap/psk |
| 21:59.09 | SlayerXP | streuner: that would involve someone with marketing skills. |
| 21:59.12 | melodos | dont remember :p |
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| 21:59.18 | wols_ | xxl3w: yes |
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| 21:59.25 | lunitik | !xwindows |
| 21:59.25 | dpkg | X Windows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, the X Window System, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 21:59.25 | xxl3w | man |
| 21:59.29 | melodos | wols_: u know where? |
| 21:59.29 | xxl3w | i feel smart now, joy! |
| 21:59.36 | melodos | wols_: or how can i find it? |
| 21:59.41 | wols_ | melodos: scroll up, you were already told how |
| 21:59.42 | xxl3w | still kind of wondering about that desktop icon *laugh* |
| 21:59.53 | xxl3w | is idesk less hardware intensive as nautilus? |
| 21:59.54 | markybob | any idea as to why /usr/src should start showing up as a mounted drive on my gnome desktop? |
| 22:00.00 | xxl3w | nautilus is like running vista |
| 22:00.02 | streuner | xxl3w: heh :-) |
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| 22:00.05 | sheldonh | stew: there goes that idea, then. cool, thanks |
| 22:00.22 | streuner | xxl3w: idesk needs almost no RAM at all.. |
| 22:00.31 | xxl3w | woo, well idesk it is |
| 22:00.35 | wols_ | sheldonh: wpa-supplicant for WPA I'd guess |
| 22:00.43 | xxl3w | i'm guessing i just put that into .xsession also with a &? |
| 22:00.49 | sheldonh | wols_: *nod* |
| 22:00.57 | xxl3w | will idesk run in background or will it run in a command window? |
| 22:01.02 | streuner | xxl3w: but its a PITA to configure... |
| 22:01.10 | sheldonh | wols_: it's either that or xsupplicant, but wpa_supplicant seems to be becoming the de facto standard |
| 22:01.15 | xxl3w | because whne i type idesk it just hangs in the terminal window |
| 22:01.33 | streuner | xxl3w: read /usr/share/doc/idesk/ |
| 22:01.37 | xxl3w | well, i had idesk setup earlier, it was working fun, just couldn't run is in the background |
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| 22:01.43 | xxl3w | fun = fine |
| 22:01.51 | dutchfish | wols_, liblame0 & libc6 (>= 2.4-1) & libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3); but i have libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 22:02.00 | xxl3w | you know, i started liking linux a little more when i noticed it was 5:00 :) |
| 22:02.07 | mimique | elo tahr |
| 22:02.08 | wols_ | dutchfish: can't you get an older xvidcap version? |
| 22:02.16 | streuner | xxl3w: what's hard about 'idesk &' in .xsession? |
| 22:02.25 | xxl3w | i swear, i installed debian on my laptop, i almost droooled out how easy it was. older machines are a pain to install on |
| 22:02.34 | xxl3w | st; it'll run in background? |
| 22:02.43 | xxl3w | wel well well, looks like all my problems are solved |
| 22:02.47 | moyix | can anyone help with an sshd+pam problem? when I try to log in via ssh, it produces the error "PAM rejected by account configuration[13]: User account has expired", but chage shows the account never expires |
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| 22:03.26 | xxl3w | ohh, and the reason i could logon to xwin as root earlier, i didn't have a display manager installed |
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| 22:03.40 | xxl3w | when i installed xdm *switched to gdm* it won't let me logon as root now :P |
| 22:03.42 | dutchfish | wols_, tried that too but liblame0 liblame0 (>= 3.96.1-1) is not in repos, where to get that 1 and i dont want to break this system |
| 22:04.13 | serialpinguin | Hey guys if I wanted to see exactly how much memory a process is using,, how might I go about that? |
| 22:04.22 | xxl3w | thanks for all the help today. |
| 22:04.25 | wols_ | !tell dutchfish about lame |
| 22:04.28 | me_here | moyix: not the user account but your ssh session tickets are expired |
| 22:04.37 | xxl3w | exit |
| 22:04.44 | me_here | exitus |
| 22:04.44 | wols_ | serialpinguin: not possible in a meaningful way. you can use top |
| 22:04.52 | wols_ | but the value is not "right" and never will be |
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| 22:05.09 | dutchfish | wols_, ? |
| 22:05.13 | serialpinguin | wols_, what column should i look at in top? |
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| 22:05.23 | serialpinguin | I dont want percentages |
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| 22:05.28 | wols_ | serialpinguin: virt, rss, shr |
| 22:05.32 | dkr | serialpinguin: rss - share |
| 22:05.35 | wols_ | dutchfish: that's your liblame0 |
| 22:05.38 | moyix | me_here, session tickets? I'm just doing publickey auth... |
| 22:05.54 | dutchfish | wols_, so install lame, thats it? |
| 22:06.00 | dkr | serialpinguin: and perhaps subtract em swapped out, also :) |
| 22:06.01 | wols_ | yes |
| 22:06.08 | dutchfish | wols_, a sec i try |
| 22:06.24 | serialpinguin | thx guys |
| 22:06.57 | tuxavenger | i have a question,i am using debian kernel 2.6.18 and my system doesnt recognize my sata harddrive, it finds my ide drives just fine, ubuntu sees it, and so does other oses , as well as my bios, there is no /dev/sda* in my dev folder |
| 22:07.24 | threat2 | rargh! |
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| 22:07.29 | Azar | serialpinguin: htop is nice too if you installed it |
| 22:07.43 | wols_ | tuxavenger: what ide controller? |
| 22:07.50 | wols_ | or rather: sata |
| 22:07.56 | tuxavenger | i dont know, how do i find out |
| 22:08.01 | wols_ | lspci -v |
| 22:08.13 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i have recently upgraded to the testing version and now for some reason my audio is not being outputted from any of my web browsers |
| 22:08.22 | dutchfish | wols_, ah yes ist not in etch repos either only toolame & twolame |
| 22:08.36 | wols_ | dutchfish: read what dpkg messaged you |
| 22:08.49 | dutchfish | wols_, dpkg didnt message anything |
| 22:08.50 | PupenoR | is there a program/command that would move a file to a new location leaving a symbolic link in the old location pointing to the new location? |
| 22:09.10 | wols_ | you are mistaken: "23:04 <dpkg> told dutchfish about lame (extra, extra, read...." |
| 22:09.12 | tuxavenger | wols_, what info do you need from that it us a huge list |
| 22:09.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | any idea what could be behind this? |
| 22:09.23 | wols_ | tuxavenger: the sata controller type and model |
| 22:09.47 | ma3x | what means a troop? how many units? |
| 22:09.54 | dutchfish | wols_, sorry my error yes i have it |
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| 22:10.11 | _kritical | If I add a file to /etc/cron.d do I need to restart cron to get it to work? |
| 22:10.24 | tuxavenger | wols_, IDE interface: ATI Technologies Inc ATI 437A Serial ATA Controlle |
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| 22:10.31 | The_Ultimate_Sam | juk outputs audio, so does xine. but not firefox or mozzila |
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| 22:10.52 | tuxavenger | wols_, it also says this - Subsystem: Elitegroup Computer Systems Unknown device 1b35 |
| 22:10.54 | The_Ultimate_Sam | i cant seem to install flash onto konqueror to test with that |
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| 22:11.04 | dutchfish | wols_, lame 3.97? |
| 22:11.18 | wols_ | tuxavenger: is ubuntu using the same 2.6.18 kernel version when it recognizes the sata controller? |
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| 22:11.42 | wols_ | dutchfish: why do you ask me? |
| 22:12.06 | tuxavenger | i am in debian now, not ubuntu, ubuntu worked, but i wanted to use elive |
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| 22:12.30 | wols_ | tuxavenger: elive is not edbian |
| 22:12.32 | wols_ | *debian |
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| 22:13.31 | tuxavenger | oh, sorry it uses apt-get and their site said it was debian, with elinghtenment as the WM |
| 22:14.01 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 22:14.02 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 22:14.14 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok seriously id like to be able to watch videos off of firefox what do i have to do to get it to output audio? |
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| 22:14.40 | tuxavenger | ok, thanks though |
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| 22:14.46 | stew | The_Ultimate_Sam: try: modprobe snd_pcm_oss ; kill other audio apps, restart firefox |
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| 22:15.52 | amon_83 | hi |
| 22:15.53 | amon_83 | all |
| 22:15.59 | amon_83 | can i ask a thing? |
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| 22:16.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thank you very much |
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| 22:16.35 | mimique | lololol |
| 22:16.35 | mimique | http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 22:16.45 | amon_83 | can someone give me 3 reasons for chose DEBIAN? |
| 22:16.49 | mimique | quick |
| 22:16.50 | mimique | easy |
| 22:16.52 | mimique | lovable |
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| 22:16.52 | mimique | ! |
| 22:17.03 | g333k_work | hi, is it possible to run some script when my system is idle for 5 minutes for example? |
| 22:17.05 | mimique | +e somewhere |
| 22:17.17 | space_ninja | which desktop enviroment will the debian installation install? |
| 22:17.24 | mimique | none! |
| 22:17.27 | mimique | <3 |
| 22:17.27 | amon_83 | mimique: ok |
| 22:17.35 | mimique | www.ubuntu.com |
| 22:17.36 | remoteCtrl | hi, with amixer i can set volume, there something similar to move to the next/previous song playing in noatun or other player ? |
| 22:17.36 | amon_83 | mimique: but with packages? |
| 22:17.38 | Tortel | space_ninja: command line! |
| 22:17.56 | g333k_work | amon_83, your computer will do whatever you want, reliable, fast |
| 22:18.00 | mimique | its possible yes. |
| 22:18.18 | space_ninja | ok, we'll see about that |
| 22:18.32 | amon_83 | i need to download all 2 dvds? or just 1? |
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| 22:18.40 | mimique | what about the netinstall |
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| 22:18.50 | threw | hi all |
| 22:18.56 | amon_83 | i've the 4.0 etch version |
| 22:18.58 | dkr | g333k_work: you can use "at" to schedule a job to run when system load is belo wa certain level |
| 22:19.04 | amon_83 | but it's not a live distro |
| 22:19.18 | Gromgull | quick question, i just added a gig of memory to my machine, but debian still only sees roughly 800mb... although it's correctly counted in the bios... where did it go? :) |
| 22:19.20 | amon_83 | so i can't see if it recognise all my hardware |
| 22:19.31 | trycyt | Hmm, I'm making a Debian package out of something that demands a user create a symlink to something. |
| 22:19.33 | dkr | g333k_work: or just run with a very high nice level, :) |
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| 22:19.38 | threw | does anyone know a script to change all maj character (A,B,C, etc...) to min character (a,b,c...) plse ? |
| 22:19.48 | trycyt | Here's the problem: if the package is to be generic, then it has to force dependencies of two packages. |
| 22:19.54 | trycyt | However, only one of them can be used. |
| 22:20.14 | mimique | http://graphics.stanford.edu/~monzy/KillDashNine.mp3 |
| 22:20.17 | mimique | \o/ |
| 22:20.31 | space_ninja | Where do I get hold of the testing netinstall iso? |
| 22:20.37 | space_ninja | I can only find stable |
| 22:20.37 | trycyt | (Think like having two DM / WMs on the same TTY is impossible, but you can have GNOME or KDE for example by themselves) |
| 22:20.41 | space_ninja | should I use stable? |
| 22:20.42 | amon_83 | i've the 4.0 etch version |
| 22:20.43 | g333k_work | dkr, I would have to figure out what system load is the correct for my tasks |
| 22:20.43 | amon_83 | so i can't see if it recognise all my hardware |
| 22:20.49 | amon_83 | i've the 4.0 etch version |
| 22:20.49 | amon_83 | so i can't see if it recognise all my hardware |
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| 22:21.00 | trycyt | How can I make a package that tells the user to select at apt-get time? |
| 22:21.09 | Gromgull | thew: tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' |
| 22:21.09 | trycyt | So let's say I apt-get install mypackage |
| 22:21.16 | Gromgull | threw: tr '[:lower:]' '[:upper:]' |
| 22:21.20 | trycyt | I need them to choose to which program they want a symlink. |
| 22:21.31 | Gromgull | or rather vice versa for upper to lower |
| 22:21.38 | trycyt | Where, when, and how should I do that? |
| 22:21.59 | Tortel | anyone know how to allow any connection in iptables? that channel is idle... |
| 22:22.17 | Gromgull | is booting with mem=X still needed on modern hardware/kernels? |
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| 22:22.35 | g333k_work | dkr, where can I get the system load value? |
| 22:22.48 | wols_ | Gromgull: no |
| 22:22.52 | twinkiman | what package is most part of? or is it by itself? |
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| 22:22.54 | dkr | g333k_work: top, or uptime, or cat /proc/loadavg |
| 22:23.05 | trycyt | Does anyone see a viable solution to my problem? |
| 22:23.09 | wols_ | trycyt: most? |
| 22:23.13 | trycyt | Trifith: most? |
| 22:23.18 | trycyt | Er.. wols_ most? |
| 22:23.28 | wols_ | oops. twinkiman: most? |
| 22:24.12 | twinkiman | speaking of most, what package has most or is it called most, i've tried apt-get install most it says it can't find it |
| 22:24.19 | drummer_wilson | how do i close all windows in gnome debian? there are too many now :P |
| 22:24.22 | wols_ | wth is most? |
| 22:24.32 | twinkiman | it's like more |
| 22:24.35 | torr | who runs "daemon"? |
| 22:24.41 | wols_ | there is less. do you mean that? |
| 22:24.47 | twinkiman | no |
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| 22:24.59 | torr | I have started clamd and I;ve seen in the script that it uses daemon |
| 22:24.59 | wols_ | otherwise: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:25.04 | twinkiman | there is less, least, more, and most |
| 22:25.18 | Gromgull | then is there some kernel option to make memory>1GB visible? |
| 22:25.33 | wols_ | Gromgull: does your BIOS know about it? |
| 22:25.42 | wols_ | Gromgull: and what kernel do you use: uname -a |
| 22:25.59 | Gromgull | the bios knows it |
| 22:26.02 | wols_ | !tell twinkiman about search |
| 22:26.08 | wols_ | Gromgull: and what kernel? |
| 22:26.09 | Gromgull | 2.6.19.2.20070203 |
| 22:26.19 | wols_ | that is no debian kernel |
| 22:26.19 | Gromgull | self compiled |
| 22:26.29 | wols_ | yes, without bigmem support |
| 22:26.43 | Gromgull | could be :) |
| 22:27.03 | pizza_biz | "apt-get install most" evidently works. |
| 22:27.25 | wols_ | pizza_biz: not for all current debian versions... |
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| 22:28.03 | karsten | wols_: more < less < most |
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| 22:28.11 | space_ninja | how "smart" is the apt systme |
| 22:28.12 | karsten | wols_: There's also cat, tac, and dog. |
| 22:28.14 | space_ninja | I mean |
| 22:28.34 | wols_ | apt: how smart are you? |
| 22:28.40 | apt | wols_: what are you talking about? |
| 22:28.41 | karsten | wols_: 'most' includes some clever highlighting if used as a manpage pager, you may have seen it on other distros. |
| 22:28.57 | wols_ | space_ninja: not very as you can see. slow too |
| 22:29.36 | threw | Gromgull, i dont understand how to use it ( i dont even understand the man page of tr..) could you give me an example please ? |
| 22:29.38 | space_ninja | when I remove a program, will it remove all the files associeted with that program that it knows has no reason to be there |
| 22:29.50 | wols_ | space_ninja: no. use aptitude |
| 22:30.05 | space_ninja | ok |
| 22:30.25 | karsten | wols_: Not to mention jless, kpager, and w3m (originally a pager, believe it or not). |
| 22:30.40 | Gromgull | threw: say you have a file readme.txt which you want to have as readme.lower.txt you can do : cat readme.txt | tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' > readme.lower.txt |
| 22:30.43 | karsten | space_ninja: man aptitude. Difference between "remove" and "purge". |
| 22:30.48 | wols_ | karsten: well it certainly is no browser :) |
| 22:30.59 | karsten | !uuoc Gromgull |
| 22:31.11 | threw | Gromgull, aaahhh ok thanks :) |
| 22:31.23 | karsten | Gromgull: tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' <infile >outfile |
| 22:31.51 | space_ninja | I don't have debian yet, I'm about to install it on my laptop, and I don't know if I want to choose linux or linux26 or the other ones |
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| 22:32.13 | space_ninja | I want to do a netinstall but can I get my wireless network card to work for the installation? |
| 22:32.14 | wols_ | you want to choose linux26 or start with debian etch altogether instead of sarge |
| 22:32.30 | space_ninja | ok |
| 22:32.36 | karsten | Gromgull: or >outfile tr <infile, or tr >outfile <infile |
| 22:33.09 | YaleR | so Im having trouble getting an ipod mounted in vmware server because something is blocking it. it isn't mounted, but it shows up in 'my computer' etc... what would this be a problem with? |
| 22:33.12 | wols_ | wireless depends on your chipset of the card |
| 22:33.36 | wols_ | YaleR: ask the vmware people? |
| 22:33.59 | YaleR | wols_: did, I think it's something else |
| 22:34.05 | YaleR | host-related |
| 22:34.17 | wols_ | then use it under the host OS |
| 22:34.31 | wols_ | cause we don't know about vmware or "my computer" |
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| 22:34.59 | karsten | Gromgull: Basically: it doesn't matter where on the line you put the redirections, so long as they're there. Unless you're redirecting to various filehandles in which case order does matter: foo >bar 2>&1 != foo 2>&1 >bar |
| 22:35.05 | YaleR | touche, I'm using gnome, so there is a 'computer' section |
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| 22:35.51 | wols_ | apt-cache show ipod, apt-cache shot gtkpod, etc |
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| 22:36.28 | Gromgull | karsten: i know - i just wanted to make it simple for threw |
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| 22:40.28 | LiENUS | where does debian put isql from the firebird packages? |
| 22:41.03 | Tortel | anyone know why I cant SCP to my debian box? the error that comes up is 'connection timed out' |
| 22:41.21 | dkr | is it running sshd? :) |
| 22:41.22 | bzed | Tortel: sorry, the glass bowl just broke yesterday |
| 22:41.27 | wols_ | LiENUS: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 22:41.37 | wols_ | dkr: yes, it would give connection refused otherwise |
| 22:41.52 | wols_ | bzed: is the goldfish dead now? |
| 22:41.56 | bzed | Tortel: either there's a network problem somewhere inbetween you and the server, the server doesn;t run sshd, is powered off... or just crashed |
| 22:42.25 | bzed | wols_: no, it was eaten by a heron |
| 22:42.45 | LiENUS | a heron |
| 22:42.47 | wols_ | heron? old greek dude, works with windß |
| 22:42.48 | wols_ | ? |
| 22:42.57 | Tortel | bzed: its next to me, its on, and all my connection info shows up on screen. Its taunting me. |
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| 22:43.15 | wols_ | !confuse LiENUS |
| 22:43.15 | dpkg | No, where are our pineapple tomorrow, LiENUS? breeches of the republic of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 22:43.27 | LiENUS | ohhhhhh |
| 22:43.29 | bzed | wols_: no, that kind of heron: http://www.pelicansafaris.com/heron.JPG |
| 22:43.30 | LiENUS | ok that makes sense |
| 22:43.30 | LiENUS | thanks |
| 22:43.49 | bzed | Tortel: can you ping it? |
| 22:43.54 | LiENUS | thanks for clearing that up wols |
| 22:44.46 | Tortel | bzed: yeah, i got a response |
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| 22:46.17 | bzed | Tortel: /etc/init.d/ssh start << do that on that box? |
| 22:46.37 | torr | is it possible to give read+delete permissions? |
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| 22:46.58 | torr | (but not write or create) |
| 22:47.29 | Tortel | :( |
| 22:47.39 | bzed | lol |
| 22:47.51 | karsten | Tortel: That's one of my favorite things to eat. |
| 22:47.56 | karsten | Tortel: I commend you on your choice. |
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| 22:48.08 | freebee | eta_4_etch_final? |
| 22:48.10 | bzed | torr: no, as a delete is a write to the directory, so is a delete |
| 22:48.12 | frtmonster | hi |
| 22:48.12 | frtmonster | i try to open a midi file with 'kmid' and it says some other program uses the /dev/sequencer/ - what's the prob here? |
| 22:48.22 | wols_ | !tell freebee -about WIR |
| 22:48.24 | bzed | !tell freebee about werr |
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| 22:48.30 | wols_ | bzed: wwer |
| 22:48.35 | karsten | frtmonster: lsof /dev/sequencer |
| 22:48.53 | frtmonster | karsten: nothing found |
| 22:48.54 | bzed | !tell freebee about wwer |
| 22:48.56 | LiENUS | isql-fb hmm |
| 22:49.04 | freebee | they need a countdown for final release |
| 22:49.04 | bzed | wols_: indeed, too late for em tonight |
| 22:49.13 | bzed | freebee: there is one |
| 22:49.15 | frtmonster | lsof: status error on /dev/sequencer/: No such file or directory |
| 22:49.16 | Victor``` | you people and your gnu utils... |
| 22:49.18 | Victor``` | :\ |
| 22:49.21 | bzed | freebee: it's at 42 |
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| 22:49.28 | melodos | u guys thing that debian is a good introduction to someone that wants to get into linux? |
| 22:49.33 | stew | frtmonster: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 22:49.34 | Victor``` | nah |
| 22:49.36 | stew | freebee: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 22:49.37 | frtmonster | melodos: use ubuntu |
| 22:49.37 | Victor``` | melodos: slackware |
| 22:49.39 | stew | frtmonster: (not you, sorry) |
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| 22:49.47 | bzed | !lart frtmonster |
| 22:49.49 | Victor``` | or gentoo |
| 22:49.52 | bzed | !lart Victor``` |
| 22:49.59 | frtmonster | lol |
| 22:50.05 | Victor``` | or openbsd |
| 22:50.09 | Victor``` | if you like BSD. |
| 22:50.13 | melodos | Victor```: r u kidddinn??? :P:P:P |
| 22:50.22 | bzed | melodos: don;t ask that in a distro related channel |
| 22:50.29 | bzed | :P |
| 22:50.32 | melodos | I LOVE DEBIAN |
| 22:50.34 | melodos | :P |
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| 22:50.50 | Victor``` | slackware is very easy to install |
| 22:50.51 | Victor``` | as is gentoo |
| 22:51.01 | melodos | Victor```: piss off... :P |
| 22:51.10 | Victor``` | debian is for power users. |
| 22:51.12 | wols_ | Victor```: give them ubuntu |
| 22:51.18 | Victor``` | are you kidding? |
| 22:51.31 | Victor``` | ubuntu is for experienced system admins with twenty IT certs |
| 22:51.37 | melodos | lol |
| 22:52.06 | ryan| | Victor```: What are you on? |
| 22:52.24 | phaedral | okay, dpkg says s/he can't believe I don't know what a lart is...but I dno't :\ |
| 22:52.47 | karsten | ryan|: He's on #debian. |
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| 22:52.55 | karsten | ryan|: ... a well-known mind-altering substance. |
| 22:52.55 | Victor``` | but seriously |
| 22:53.12 | Victor``` | if you want an easy to use Linux distribution, go with ubuntu or pclos |
| 22:53.24 | torr | bzed: viva la generalization |
| 22:53.29 | ryan| | karsten: I ment which mind altering substance. Though, #debian might qualify. |
| 22:53.58 | karsten | ryan|: Well, the whole idea is for it to insert clue. |
| 22:54.07 | ryan| | phaedral: Luser Additude Readjustment Tool. For example, a 2x4. |
| 22:54.11 | melodos | Victor```: dunno if you're talkin to me, but i love my deb, and i find it quite simple as well.. |
| 22:54.14 | Azar | Victor```: we don't quite care or want, that why we are on #debian |
| 22:54.21 | bzed | Victor```: debian is way more easy to use than ubuntu, if you're over the first 3 hurdles |
| 22:54.25 | ryan| | phaedral: Go read BOFH. |
| 22:54.34 | Victor``` | he was asking for an introductory linux distribution. |
| 22:54.37 | bzed | Victor```: it's the better distrib anyway |
| 22:54.45 | phaedral | Simon is a God |
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| 22:55.04 | melodos | Victor```: i think debian is the best introduction to linux , but anyway |
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| 22:55.14 | ryan| | karsten: I didn't see you're second line before responding. |
| 22:55.28 | ryan| | I am extreamly tired today for some reason. |
| 22:55.37 | phaedral | melodos: no point using a superlative w/o explicating criteria |
| 22:55.42 | phaedral | "best for what"? |
| 22:56.00 | Victor``` | ubuntu is based on debian unstable. |
| 22:56.12 | hansgnu | someone has problems with the internet connection today? Shaw |
| 22:56.19 | Azar | Victor```: right "based" |
| 22:56.42 | Victor``` | I personally like the deb-based distros |
| 22:57.02 | Azar | Victor```: cool why don't you cheer them from their locations |
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| 22:57.25 | Victor``` | you act like there is some kind of deep rivalry |
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| 22:58.02 | Azar | Victor```: I never came on the channels where your distros are to brag about debian , you are the one coming to us |
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| 22:58.13 | rox | where does one get the windings.ttf font? does anybody have windows handy, i would very much appreciate if somebody could send me the file. |
| 22:58.26 | Azar | Victor```: isn't that you wish have Debian but you can't ? |
| 22:58.26 | Victor``` | I ssh to debian boxes. |
| 22:58.26 | nivanson_ | rox: PM me |
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| 22:58.41 | Azar | because you can't handle Debian personally |
| 22:58.52 | Victor``` | uh? |
| 22:59.12 | Victor``` | I can and I have |
| 22:59.25 | ryan| | Come on, we're all civilized here. No need for personal attacks. |
| 22:59.26 | stew | Victor```: Azar: can you guys please take this discussion out of band, its really not relevant to debian support |
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| 22:59.52 | Victor``` | ... |
| 22:59.54 | Victor``` | idiot |
| 22:59.56 | Azar | stew: ok |
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| 23:00.15 | stew | Victor```: drop it. |
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| 23:08.18 | floundering | Hi, with etch, on a laptop. I need to configure a wireless network card for to access various friendly unprotected networks, I have built and modprobed the drivers, I will need a samba client I suppose, can anyone point me in the right direction to get the interface up and selecting a network to connect to? |
| 23:08.36 | Victor``` | do you have network-manager? |
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| 23:08.51 | nooblam | Hi. How can I allow guest users to append/resume an upload under vsftpd? |
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| 23:09.00 | kupesoft | Hmm, is there a page that describes installing the ati fglrx stuff for someone who is fairly non-technical? |
| 23:09.07 | kupesoft | i. e. can someone link me? |
| 23:09.35 | nooblam | virtual users |
| 23:09.41 | dvs | yay! only 67 RC bugs left in etch! |
| 23:09.43 | Victor``` | kupesoft: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx |
| 23:09.46 | nooblam | they are able to login download and upload |
| 23:09.58 | nooblam | but cannot resume an upload |
| 23:10.00 | stew | dvs: less: http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/ |
| 23:10.03 | h3xis | kupesoft, what release are you using |
| 23:10.06 | kupesoft | Victor```: Checking, thanks |
| 23:10.09 | kupesoft | h3xis: etch. |
| 23:10.15 | h3xis | kupesoft, stock kernel? |
| 23:10.28 | kupesoft | h3xis: stock kernel (686). |
| 23:10.37 | h3xis | kupesoft, http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#bin look at 4.1a |
| 23:10.46 | dvs | break out the champagne! |
| 23:10.49 | Victor``` | nooblam: don't use the ATI drivers though |
| 23:10.51 | Victor``` | rather |
| 23:10.56 | Victor``` | use packages |
| 23:11.17 | h3xis | ahhh netsplit |
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| 23:11.19 | concept10 | is it too late to submit my platform for DPL? |
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| 23:12.54 | Victor``` | I meant hupesoft |
| 23:13.08 | Victor``` | kupesoft. |
| 23:13.09 | Victor``` | rather. |
| 23:13.12 | floundering | Victor```: that would be me :( |
| 23:13.24 | Victor``` | floundering: the wireless thing |
| 23:13.28 | kupesoft | Victor```: Okay, will do. |
| 23:13.30 | Victor``` | are you using network-manager? |
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| 23:13.36 | floundering | Victor```: yes |
| 23:13.48 | Victor``` | does it detect the interface |
| 23:13.54 | floundering | Victor```: no, should I? |
| 23:14.04 | Victor``` | huh? |
| 23:14.09 | Victor``` | wait wait |
| 23:14.12 | Victor``` | do iwconfig |
| 23:14.18 | kupesoft | h3xis: I'm using a thinkpad t60, is there (noticeable) advantages to using a non-stock kernel? Will my Intel Core 2 Duo chip work properly? |
| 23:14.28 | Victor``` | kupesoft: SMP |
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| 23:14.40 | h3xis | kupesoft, it's working properly already |
| 23:14.45 | kupesoft | Victor```: Does the stock kernel have SMP compiled in, |
| 23:14.47 | h3xis | yes |
| 23:14.48 | Victor``` | if it ain't broke, don't fix it |
| 23:14.56 | kupesoft | (= |
| 23:15.00 | h3xis | kupesoft, i have a tpad t60 too and it's fine |
| 23:15.10 | Victor``` | I want a thinkpad t60 |
| 23:15.11 | Victor``` | :\ |
| 23:15.19 | kupesoft | Victor```: I was once like you... |
| 23:15.29 | Victor``` | "and now I have one. hah." |
| 23:15.36 | dustybin | mmm thinkpads are ideal for installing linux |
| 23:15.45 | h3xis | i wish there was better support for ipw3945 but i take what i can get |
| 23:15.46 | Victor``` | floundering: wait, you don't or you do? |
| 23:15.48 | kupesoft | Victor```: I'd have said something wittier, but you got the jist of it, |
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| 23:16.03 | Azar | dvs how many left? |
| 23:16.09 | kupesoft | h3xis: You should have got it with Atheros chip = madwifi. |
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| 23:16.15 | Victor``` | FreeBSD doesn't support my laptop :\ |
| 23:16.33 | h3xis | kupesoft, didnt have a choice. i bought it through the uni i'm at under a discount |
| 23:16.33 | floundering | Victor```: no, I don't. |
| 23:16.39 | kupesoft | h3xis: The t60 is $5 cheaper with the Atheros chip, by my calculations. |
| 23:16.50 | Victor``` | you don't have networkmanager installed? |
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| 23:17.22 | kupesoft | h3xis: I got mine with ipw3945, as well, though. |
| 23:17.35 | floundering | Victor```: no, network-manager is not installed. |
| 23:17.37 | h3xis | why isnt ipw3945 in the kernel yet? |
| 23:17.39 | Victor``` | install it |
| 23:17.44 | Victor``` | # apt-get install network-manager |
| 23:17.44 | kupesoft | h3xis: non-free? |
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| 23:17.53 | h3xis | kupesoft, ipw2100/2200 is |
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| 23:18.40 | kupesoft | ipw3945: And so are other non-free blobs. What am I thinking? |
| 23:18.49 | kupesoft | s/ipw3945/h3xis |
| 23:18.51 | kupesoft | ./ |
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| 23:19.04 | kupesoft | Mmmm, my flight is bording |
| 23:19.07 | dvs | Azar: 42 or something like that |
| 23:19.11 | h3xis | kupesoft, where to |
| 23:19.15 | Victor``` | kupesoft: have a nice flight. |
| 23:19.15 | Victor``` | heh. |
| 23:19.17 | kupesoft | (= |
| 23:19.20 | kupesoft | Well, preboarding, |
| 23:19.23 | kupesoft | yul->yyz |
| 23:19.29 | h3xis | what? |
| 23:19.32 | kupesoft | Montreal to Toronto, |
| 23:19.34 | h3xis | ah |
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| 23:19.51 | Ankman | flight |
| 23:19.53 | dvs | kupesoft: go away! dont come here! ;-) |
| 23:19.57 | Ankman | take the train, 5 hours ;-) |
| 23:20.08 | dvs | Ankman: It'll take longer today. |
| 23:20.09 | kupesoft | dvs: Why's that?! ;/ |
| 23:20.11 | Ankman | no, go away from here ;-) |
| 23:20.13 | Victor``` | drive |
| 23:20.16 | Azar | dvs thanks |
| 23:20.22 | dvs | Azar: no prob |
| 23:20.28 | dvs | kupesoft: just kidding |
| 23:20.45 | kupesoft | dvs: I'll be happy to leave Quebec, |
| 23:20.49 | Ankman | dunno, in 2005 it was like 5 hours, may be 6 |
| 23:20.54 | Ankman | me too |
| 23:21.03 | Ankman | all go away from quebec |
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| 23:21.07 | kupesoft | Ankman: Agreed, |
| 23:21.13 | kupesoft | I'll be back, I'm sure |
| 23:22.19 | dvs | Ankman: http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20070312/kingston_derailment_070312/20070312/?hub=TorontoHome |
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| 23:23.27 | Azar | I have seen earlier someone, obviously new at Debian saying that he can use X as root but not as user. Isn't supposed that X be blocked by default in root? |
| 23:23.54 | xingu | what's the cleanest way to make devmapper/dmsetup topology persist across reboots? |
| 23:23.59 | xingu | custom scripting required? |
| 23:24.03 | wols_ | I never had a probkem running startx as root or as user |
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| 23:24.14 | Ankman | i downloaded "Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 7", how do i play it? can't mplayer? |
| 23:24.23 | markybob | Azar, by default you cant login as root via gdm. that's probably what you mean |
| 23:24.25 | Azar | wols_: I just blocked that just in case.. |
| 23:24.31 | vn | xingu you there? |
| 23:24.32 | Ankman | dvs:::::ty |
| 23:24.37 | dvs | bye |
| 23:24.40 | karsten | !tell Ankman about win32codecs |
| 23:24.42 | dvs | oops |
| 23:24.45 | xingu | vn: barely |
| 23:24.45 | vn | uhm yes |
| 23:24.51 | Azar | ahhhhhh the .dm things... I see |
| 23:24.56 | vn | xingu: well my box is back, all is OK |
| 23:25.02 | xingu | vn: groovy |
| 23:25.05 | vn | got someone to fsck, got some repairs to do |
| 23:25.09 | holycow | guys, i want to make sure that hds are 'cleared' of whatever file system are on them before setting up a new partition setup |
| 23:25.11 | Ankman | mplayer has the codecs |
| 23:25.15 | vn | and guess what it even fixed another problem lol |
| 23:25.18 | holycow | what is the fastest way to do that? |
| 23:25.24 | vn | thats why my website was slow |
| 23:25.28 | xingu | vn: :) |
| 23:25.44 | holycow | deleting a partition table is not usefull as recreating it with say 'the same' tabel will allow access to same data again |
| 23:26.16 | holycow | is there an fs with a 'format' that modifies whatever was there before so that even if the partition table is recreated the data isn't gone? |
| 23:26.17 | floundering | Victor```: network-manager is now installed. |
| 23:26.19 | holycow | besided dd i guess |
| 23:26.25 | karsten | holycow: Fastest way? Thermite or a hammer. |
| 23:26.33 | holycow | heh |
| 23:26.36 | Victor``` | floundering: great, what desktop environment are you using? |
| 23:26.38 | Ankman | holycow: don't think so |
| 23:26.40 | rox | holycow: why don't you just dd something over your entire disk? |
| 23:26.40 | karsten | holycow: Effective? dd if=/dev/zero of=filesystem |
| 23:26.43 | Ankman | until you write to them |
| 23:26.53 | karsten | holycow: Milspec? shred/wipe (very slow though). |
| 23:26.56 | floundering | Victor```: stumpwm |
| 23:26.59 | holycow | well dd over an 80 gig hd takes forever |
| 23:27.02 | Knight_Lord | Hi. Does anyone know if it's possible to install debian in a box with HT1000 broadcom RAID? |
| 23:27.03 | rox | holycow: what karsten said |
| 23:27.12 | Victor``` | does it support gnome applets |
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| 23:27.20 | xingu | !dban |
| 23:27.20 | dpkg | from memory, dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 23:27.27 | Victor``` | !network-manager |
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| 23:28.24 | Knight_Lord | I think what I'm asking is if there's any debian install CD with sata_svw module included? |
| 23:28.27 | Victor``` | oh boy |
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| 23:30.02 | Victor``` | !tell floundering about wireless |
| 23:30.16 | Victor``` | !wireless |
| 23:30.16 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or and Linksys WPC11 support: http://z.cwriter.org/index.php/wifi/Cartes/WPC11+debian+how-to |
| 23:30.24 | markybob | Knight_Lord, try here kmuto.jp |
| 23:30.31 | Victor``` | i thought you were using KDE or gnome, ugh |
| 23:30.34 | Victor``` | sorry |
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| 23:33.04 | melodos | hi guys! i dunno what i did but for some reason i aint got sound anymore... its enabled on the menu but... |
| 23:33.35 | Victor``` | melodos: hmm |
| 23:33.39 | melodos | is there any sort of command to refresh my audio driver or whatever? |
| 23:33.44 | Knight_Lord | markybob I couldn't find much |
| 23:33.54 | Victor``` | alsa? |
| 23:34.01 | melodos | ye |
| 23:34.04 | markybob | Knight_Lord, try his installer |
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| 23:34.11 | Victor``` | use alsamixer |
| 23:34.16 | Victor``` | in a console |
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| 23:34.38 | Knight_Lord | markybob backported d-i images? |
| 23:34.50 | markybob | Knight_Lord, yes |
| 23:34.58 | melodos | Victor```: and then what? |
| 23:35.15 | Victor``` | is it a laptop? |
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| 23:35.22 | melodos | ye |
| 23:35.22 | floundering | Victor```: Thanks, the pointers should be usefull, The laptops too slow for those desktops, or multimedia. but ok for just ebooks, code writing, emacs etc. |
| 23:35.29 | Victor``` | mute "External Amplifier" |
| 23:35.48 | Azar | Knight_Lord: etch has it |
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| 23:35.54 | melodos | forget it victor , i've found it :) |
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| 23:36.04 | melodos | thnx anyway |
| 23:36.06 | Knight_Lord | Azar thanks :-) |
| 23:36.09 | Azar | Knight_Lord: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
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| 23:37.25 | Knight_Lord | Azar I want to use the hardware raid |
| 23:37.51 | sysfault | debian has to be the best thing that happened to the world since the 38th parallel |
| 23:37.52 | Azar | Knight_Lord: from what I see etch is most recommended for install / use |
| 23:37.54 | Knight_Lord | Azar i know I can do software but that's not the goal |
| 23:37.59 | Azar | for SATA and RAID |
| 23:38.25 | Knight_Lord | markybob thanks I think i'm gonna use that |
| 23:38.35 | markybob | Knight_Lord, np |
| 23:38.36 | Victor``` | no |
| 23:38.44 | Azar | Knight_Lord: sorry I have no idea what you want to do , I thought you need to install Debian on a RAID.. |
| 23:38.56 | Knight_Lord | Azar no you were right |
| 23:39.01 | Knight_Lord | Azar on a hardware raid |
| 23:39.06 | Azar | yes |
| 23:39.16 | Knight_Lord | Azar but i prefer to install sarge |
| 23:39.18 | Victor``` | sysfault: what about the invention of the microcomputer? |
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| 23:39.38 | Azar | Knight_Lord: ok then try sarge |
| 23:39.40 | Victor``` | or Bill Gates' purchase of QDOS |
| 23:39.43 | Victor``` | </sarcasm> |
| 23:39.46 | sysfault | hahaha |
| 23:39.52 | Knight_Lord | Azar just that sarge doesn't support the chipset |
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| 23:40.02 | Azar | Knight_Lord: you are right, it does not |
| 23:40.04 | Victor``` | or the day Bill Gates and his buddies were at Xerox PARC |
| 23:40.19 | Azar | Knight_Lord: that why I recommended etch.. |
| 23:40.34 | Knight_Lord | Azar but with those backported d-i it will work |
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| 23:40.41 | Agrajag- | hmm a workmate somehow managed to install sarge on a box with an amd kernel instead of i686. it obviously doesn't boot. is tehre a way to fix this with the normal sarge cd without doing a reinstall? |
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| 23:40.53 | Azar | Knight_Lord: I guess there is a sarge install with a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 23:41.06 | Victor``` | Agrajag-: you could fix it with any livecd... |
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| 23:41.24 | Agrajag- | yeah i don't have one handy, hence why i was wondering if it's possible somehow with the debian sarge cd |
| 23:41.28 | Victor``` | just edit the grub configuration if it has an ix86 kernel installed |
| 23:41.30 | Victor``` | hmm |
| 23:41.34 | Knight_Lord | Azar the current snapshot might have, i'm not sure |
| 23:41.36 | Victor``` | it has an emergency shell I believe |
| 23:41.46 | Agrajag- | that's what i thought, but i couldn't find it |
| 23:41.51 | Azar | Knight_Lord: dpkg knows but I forgot how to ask him |
| 23:42.07 | Victor``` | hmm |
| 23:42.10 | Knight_Lord | Azar there are no official sarge with 2.6.18 but there are unnoficial ones |
| 23:42.19 | Victor``` | you can't download and burn knoppix |
| 23:42.19 | Victor``` | ? |
| 23:42.23 | Azar | Knight_Lord: yes indeed |
| 23:43.57 | streuner | !nickometer Victor``` |
| 23:43.58 | dpkg | 'Victor```' is 97.050% lame, streuner |
| 23:44.06 | Azar | pfffhahahaha |
| 23:44.16 | Azar | streuner: you got an eagle eye |
| 23:44.44 | Victor``` | victor, victor`, and victor`` are all taken |
| 23:44.55 | dkr | use victoria |
| 23:44.56 | streuner | victor2? |
| 23:44.57 | dvs | victor_? |
| 23:45.02 | Victor``` | !nickometer streuner |
| 23:45.03 | dpkg | 'streuner' is 0.000% lame, victor``` |
| 23:45.06 | Victor``` | .. |
| 23:45.20 | dvs | !nickometer Victor_ |
| 23:45.22 | dpkg | 'Victor_' is 0.000% lame, dvs |
| 23:45.29 | Victor``` | must be takne |
| 23:45.30 | Victor``` | taken* |
| 23:45.48 | Azar | :P |
| 23:45.49 | streuner | thanks |
| 23:45.51 | Victor_ | [18:45] [Notice] -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 23:45.56 | vn- | !nickometer vn |
| 23:45.58 | dpkg | 'vn' is 0.000% lame, vn- |
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| 23:46.08 | vn- | is there a lame nick? |
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| 23:46.14 | Victor``` | vn``` |
| 23:46.24 | Victor``` | !nickometer vn``` |
| 23:46.26 | dpkg | 'vn```' is 97.050% lame, victor``` |
| 23:46.37 | vn- | mkay |
| 23:46.43 | vn- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.52 | Victor``` | hm. |
| 23:46.54 | Victor``` | !nickometer lame |
| 23:46.55 | dpkg | 'lame' is 62.000% lame, victor``` |
| 23:46.56 | Azar | yea stay away from it, vn |
| 23:47.24 | vn- | I don't like "`" anyway |
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| 23:48.02 | Victor``` | !nickometer rms |
| 23:48.04 | dpkg | 'rms' is 0.000% lame, victor``` |
| 23:48.07 | Victor``` | bleh. |
| 23:48.14 | amphi | !pal Victor``` |
| 23:48.48 | Tortel | !nickometer Tortel |
| 23:48.49 | dpkg | 'Tortel' is 0.000% lame, tortel |
| 23:48.53 | Tortel | woo |
| 23:49.20 | vn- | !lame dpkg |
| 23:49.21 | dpkg | Ugh, dpkg's aura of lame is affecting me! |
| 23:49.28 | vn- | m'kay lol |
| 23:49.52 | streuner | Those people who created blootbot didn't like wired chars in nicks, so they make this into the bot as feature |
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| 23:50.24 | Victor``` | it's a silly bot. |
| 23:50.45 | amphi | !penixstrike Victor``` |
| 23:50.45 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Victor``` to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 23:51.11 | Victor``` | amphi: thanks for proving my point. |
| 23:51.16 | streuner | Victor```: i don't like wired nicks either ;-) |
| 23:51.21 | Victor``` | wired nicks? |
| 23:51.24 | Victor``` | what about wireless nicks? |
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| 23:52.14 | Victor``` | isn't a physical tether better, though? |
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| 23:53.16 | Kassah2 | how do I tell what package a file in the fs belongs to? |
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| 23:53.24 | Victor``` | hmm. |
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| 23:53.26 | Victor``` | dpkg_which? |
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| 23:53.35 | mango | /dpkg downgrade |
| 23:53.37 | streuner | Kassah2: 'fs'? |
| 23:53.38 | Victor``` | ignore thaty |
| 23:53.40 | Victor``` | ignore that |
| 23:54.06 | streuner | Kassah2: dpkg -S |
| 23:54.20 | streuner | mango: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 23:54.43 | Kassah2 | ahha |
| 23:54.52 | Victor``` | hm. |
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| 23:54.55 | streuner | mango: or just check infobot.org out and /msg dpkg help |
| 23:54.56 | Victor``` | should I try gentoo/kfreebsd |
| 23:54.58 | Victor``` | er. |
| 23:54.59 | Victor``` | what. |
| 23:55.04 | Victor``` | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 23:55.07 | mango | streuner: thanks man |
| 23:55.15 | karsten | Kassah2: dpkg -S |
| 23:55.16 | maddash | !security audit |
| 23:55.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, security audit is http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/forum_message.html?forum=2&head=32&id=32 |
| 23:55.28 | Nwallins|home | is there a way to generate a full kernel config -- something with every config option that I could grep through? |
| 23:55.58 | streuner | Nwallins|home: if you using an official debian kernel, just look into /boot |
| 23:55.59 | maddash | !security audit |
| 23:55.59 | dpkg | it has been said that security audit is at http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/forum_message.html?forum=2&head=32&id=32 <broken link> |
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| 23:56.17 | Nwallins|home | streuner: no, this is for 2.6.20 |
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| 23:56.36 | Nwallins|home | but there is a site which will show the differences, now that I think about it |
| 23:56.40 | streuner | Nwallins|home: well, edit the old ones for your needs |
| 23:57.07 | Nwallins|home | streuner: mostly I just want to search through all the options for 2.6.20 |
| 23:57.13 | Victor``` | can someone do `man hier` |
| 23:57.16 | Victor``` | and tell me if it exists |
| 23:57.44 | streuner | Nwallins|home: how about to download the source? |
| 23:57.50 | mango | hi, can anyone please tell me how to downgrade from etch to sarge please, thanks |
| 23:57.58 | streuner | !downgrade |
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| 23:57.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 23:58.39 | Nwallins|home | streuner: found it, http://kernel.xc.net/ 'Complete config for:' |
| 23:59.01 | mango | dpkg: but it does not tell me how...once I change the apt source list to reflect to debian sarge...would apt-get update do it |
| 23:59.02 | mango | ? |
| 23:59.37 | phreqmod | mango, dpkg is good, but not that good... |
