| 00:00.45 | stew | !invalid module format |
| 00:00.47 | m6502 | simonrnv: what could be a solution ... i had to fight some time ago to get nvidia binary drivers and vmware working, may be i broke something |
| 00:00.50 | Regner_ | bzed: there was no guest setting in the smb,conf file |
| 00:00.56 | stew | !test |
| 00:01.04 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 00:01.11 | jelly-home | test failed. ;-) |
| 00:02.11 | r00t__ | jelly-home: I cant |
| 00:02.22 | r00t__ | jelly-home: my messages to the list get bounced |
| 00:02.35 | jetscreamer | okie here we go: |
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| 00:03.30 | jelly-home | r00t__: so mail from another account |
| 00:03.46 | jelly-home | r00t__: I use "reportbug" to report bugs |
| 00:04.01 | r00t__ | is there a place where I can paste like a messageboard? |
| 00:04.04 | jetscreamer | i have a working debian install on my native sis ide controller. now when i put in this 2nd ide controller, udev WILL make it hda-hdd, instead of the now_current hda-hdd on this onboard ide. how do i tell udev to pissoff and make the addin controller card hde-h |
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| 00:04.07 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 00:04.18 | jetscreamer | ~paste |
| 00:04.28 | apt | paste is probably http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 00:04.28 | jetscreamer | yes there is |
| 00:04.41 | jelly-home | r00t__: no idea. see http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 00:05.06 | jetscreamer | i know i need to create an udev rule, but what do i create is the problem |
| 00:05.15 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: that just sounds like shift has gotten locked down. I bet if you hit it or capslock, the problem goes away. |
| 00:05.31 | dondelelcaro | some of those things have excessive keybounce |
| 00:05.34 | m6502 | simonrvn: installing a newer kernel version (e.g. 2.6.16) with aptitude is going to make things worse ? |
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| 00:06.00 | Tagor | dondelelcaro >> Is there a way to fix this in Linux? As I guess I can't change this in the barcode scanner |
| 00:06.53 | Gryfelhase | aehm........ I have a problem.... |
| 00:06.54 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: well, hopefully hitting shift will fix it; I'm not sure what else can be done, since I'm not an expert in how the keyboard driver works |
| 00:07.23 | jetscreamer | Gryfelhase: don't we all |
| 00:07.27 | jetscreamer | ~ask |
| 00:07.28 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily. |
| 00:07.48 | jelly-home | r00t__: note that reportbug sends mail in the end too, so if your mail setup is broken, there's a possibility this mail will bounce too |
| 00:07.50 | Gryfelhase | i isntalled the nvidia-fraphic-driver |
| 00:08.01 | Gryfelhase | it comiled a kernel-modul for sarge |
| 00:08.12 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it can actually connect directly to b.d.o, so it should be ok. |
| 00:08.22 | Gryfelhase | and now.... xawtv doesn't show anymore a pciture |
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| 00:08.46 | Gryfelhase | installed.... graphic... |
| 00:08.54 | beau | I need help getting debian to recognize my sound card |
| 00:09.09 | Tagor | dondelelcaro >> Thanks, do you know if there is a way to change the keyboard driver so I can try another one? |
| 00:09.42 | jetscreamer | Gryfelhase: is that the one from nvidia.com or what |
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| 00:09.54 | bzed | Regner_: can you see which folder it shares? |
| 00:10.04 | r00t__ | jelly-home: my ISP doesn't allow port 25 either way |
| 00:10.11 | jetscreamer | use 587 |
| 00:10.13 | Regner_ | bzed: yes |
| 00:10.27 | bzed | Regner_: your home? |
| 00:10.41 | Regner_ | bzed: my home and the other shared folders yes |
| 00:11.10 | jelly-home | r00t__: so use a free mail service, I guess you have some way of sending and receiving mail...? |
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| 00:11.18 | bzed | Regner_: did you create a samba user with smbpasswd? |
| 00:11.26 | Regner_ | bzed: no........ |
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| 00:12.07 | bzed | Regner_: hmm, probably you want to set one ;) |
| 00:12.10 | Malf | Did we end up getting anywhere with r00t__s issue or did it just end at submit a bug report? |
| 00:12.17 | JoshJ | What's the best way to underclock a laptop running etch? It keeps giving me a message saying it's hit 80 degrees Celsius and shutting down. |
| 00:12.18 | jetscreamer | use 587 |
| 00:12.27 | jetscreamer | ^port |
| 00:12.32 | bzed | Regner_: try smbpasswd -a username |
| 00:12.46 | Regner_ | bzed: ok, but will that stop every one from being able to acess all my shares? |
| 00:13.07 | jelly-home | Malf: looks like he has a pretty standard sarge install, and I have no experience in hunting down bugs in php apps |
| 00:13.09 | bzed | Regner_: I still think you have guest accoutns enabled somehow |
| 00:13.22 | r00t__ | ok |
| 00:13.26 | JoshJ | (Alternatively, is it possible that the 80 degrees thing is an error, and that it shouldn't even be shutting down in the first place?) |
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| 00:13.28 | dondelelcaro | JoshJ: use cpufreq or similar to turn down the processor speed. |
| 00:13.36 | Malf | jelly-home: ahh. I do but I don't really know php so it's not a pleasant process |
| 00:13.44 | Regner_ | bzed: i did not see guest setting, what is it i will add it maybe ? |
| 00:13.54 | jelly-home | Malf: be my guest :-) |
| 00:13.55 | dondelelcaro | yeah, if anyone gets kicked by debhelper, right now, I applogize; the machine it's on is way lagged out. |
| 00:13.58 | bzed | r00t__: using a host behind a dialup as MX doesn;t make sense at all, there's no serious mailserver which will accept mail from it |
| 00:14.10 | creature | JoshJ: You can sit the laptop on a heatsink. Anything metal will help. |
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| 00:14.23 | creature | This is not a solution to the problem, but it will buy you more time to diagnose and fix it. |
| 00:14.26 | JoshJ | k |
| 00:15.02 | Tagor | dondelelcaro >> Thanks, do you know if there is a way to change the keyboard driver so I can try another one? |
| 00:15.15 | jetscreamer | clean the kruft out of the laptop's innards |
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| 00:15.36 | Malf | gross |
| 00:15.42 | JoshJ | jetscreamer, i considered that, but this thing has like 80 screws and looking at it doesn't show much cruft |
| 00:16.08 | Regner_ | bzed: i used that command you gave me, but it still dose not ask me for a password or anything, i can just access the shared folder, my home folder actually |
| 00:16.18 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: there's really only one ps2 driver, and it's almost definetly not the real problem. |
| 00:16.23 | jetscreamer | so what's with all these ~/.serverauthxxxx that never go away unless i delete them manually, mr gravity |
| 00:16.25 | creature | Turn the laptop's fan on full? |
| 00:16.32 | gravity | eh? |
| 00:16.34 | JoshJ | creature, the fans basically run nonstop |
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| 00:16.38 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: you could change the keymap so that it doesn't obey shift, but that's kind of silly. |
| 00:16.45 | JoshJ | which is part of what has me suspecting the temperature detection may be the problem |
| 00:16.45 | creature | I've just done that on mine, and dropped the temperature of the CPU by 20%... |
| 00:16.48 | jetscreamer | they don't get deleted |
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| 00:17.02 | Malf | Regner_: Are you talking about a samba share? And if so did you configure it to require users (i'm assuming that's what you're looking for) |
| 00:17.13 | JoshJ | but then again it was doing the same thing back when i used ubuntu, so either it's a shared problem, or my system really is overheating |
| 00:17.23 | Tagor | dondelelcaro >> Yes, it is. For some reason it also sometimes ignores the return. So I guess it does something wrong while reading the input |
| 00:17.24 | Regner_ | Malt: that is what i am looking for. how do i set that ? |
| 00:17.41 | Malf | Regner_: Let me see if I can get to the samba config I wrote up on a solaris box a while back |
| 00:17.55 | Regner_ | Malf: thank you |
| 00:18.03 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: it's more likely that the barcode scanner doesn't send output properly |
| 00:18.05 | gravity | jetscreamer: To be honest, I don't know |
| 00:18.05 | Neil_ | anybody know which debian package xlibs-dev is now? |
| 00:18.05 | bzed | Regner_: what is the 'security' option in your smb.conf pointin to? |
| 00:18.12 | jetscreamer | gravity: it's no biggie, i was just wondering... |
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| 00:18.20 | Tagor | dondelelcaro >> In windows it works perfectly |
| 00:18.32 | jetscreamer | Neil_: apt-file |
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| 00:18.43 | creature | JoshJ: It depends what's doing the shutting down. |
| 00:18.45 | Malf | Regner_: Looks like the server was taken down.. google it is then |
| 00:18.46 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: then use it in windows |
| 00:18.55 | Regner_ | bzed: not sure |
| 00:18.56 | dondelelcaro | or figure out how to fix the driver |
| 00:18.58 | creature | JoshJ: Does it feel hot to the touch? Underneath is a good place to check. |
| 00:19.04 | JoshJ | it is somewhat hot |
| 00:19.07 | jelly-home | Neil_: a number of them: Depends: libice-dev, libsm-dev, libx11-dev, libxext-dev, libxi-dev, libxmu-dev, libxmuu-dev, libxp-dev, libxpm-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxt-dev, libxtrap-dev, libxtst-dev, libxv-dev, pm-dev, x-dev, xlibs-static-dev |
| 00:19.19 | Tagor | dondelelcaro >> :P but I actually want to use it in Linux, but I have no idea what could be wrong in Linux |
| 00:19.20 | r00t__ | bzed: I used it to recieve mail mostly |
| 00:19.21 | xand | grrrr |
| 00:19.23 | bzed | Regner_: find it out then |
| 00:19.25 | dondelelcaro | Tagor: clearly ps/2 keyboards do not have the problem. |
| 00:19.33 | xand | spent ages finding a bug in sarge's phpsysinfo |
| 00:19.37 | bzed | Regner_: /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 00:19.52 | xand | looking for broken files... it was my usb/serial adaptor that triggered it |
| 00:19.54 | Neil_ | jelly-home: ah.. I'm just trying to solve the /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXi error message.. usually do it with xlib-dev |
| 00:20.01 | JoshJ | i just changed AC Rule to profile=Performance Low |
| 00:20.10 | Regner_ | bzed: default ? |
| 00:20.10 | JoshJ | hopefully that helps, that's 80% |
| 00:20.20 | jelly-home | Neil_: sounds like libxi-dev |
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| 00:20.37 | Malf | Regner_: what you want is security = user |
| 00:20.43 | JoshJ | well, no, that won't help |
| 00:20.47 | Neil_ | jelly-home: ah, that did, thanks a lot |
| 00:20.52 | JoshJ | it already switches to performance low when the cpu is hot |
| 00:21.00 | Regner_ | Malf: I have tried that |
| 00:21.20 | Neil_ | jelly-home: just out of curiosity, how did you get a list of relevant packages so quickly? |
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| 00:21.44 | jelly-home | JoshJ: checked google for known problems with that model and/or cpu? |
| 00:22.03 | jelly-home | Neil_: I have the dummy xlibs-dev still installed on this machine |
| 00:22.05 | Regner_ | Malf: i have it set to user now |
| 00:22.07 | dondelelcaro | Neil_: apt-cache search; apt-file; and packages.debian.org make it pretty simple. |
| 00:22.12 | JoshJ | jelly-home, it's a HP Pavilion zd8000 (pentium 4); and last time i looked, there weren't really any issues |
| 00:22.38 | Malf | Regner_: And is guest ok = false under the share definition? |
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| 00:23.02 | Regner_ | Malf: oh its false it it |
| 00:23.05 | Regner_ | is it* |
| 00:23.06 | jelly-home | JoshJ: sounds like and oldish machine, maybe the thermal paste has really worn off and needs replacing? |
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| 00:23.27 | Malf | yeah if it's true it'll just let anyone come in as the guest user |
| 00:23.28 | aarkerio | Hi! I am looking for advice about some webhosting site to setup an small site |
| 00:23.38 | JoshJ | jelly, 2 years? |
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| 00:23.49 | Malf | Regner_: specified in the global section as 'guest account = nobody' or whatever it's set to |
| 00:24.00 | JoshJ | i mean, yes it's "obsolete" but i wouldn't call it "old" |
| 00:24.05 | JoshJ | i'll look into the thermal paste thing, though |
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| 00:24.48 | justin | JoshJ: is that that laptop with the desktop p4 in it? |
| 00:25.26 | JoshJ | yeah |
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| 00:25.27 | bzed | aarkerio: do you have a debian related question, or not? |
| 00:25.27 | JoshJ | it's got 3 fans on the bottom |
| 00:25.27 | Regner_ | Malf: i am confused, do i set "guest ok = false" under each share or do i say "guest account = nobody" in the global |
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| 00:25.28 | Phuzion2 | I have a headless machine that I need to upgrade from php4 to php5, how do I do so? |
| 00:25.40 | Malf | you'd set it to false under each share, assuming you don't want guest users on that share |
| 00:25.41 | Phuzion2 | apache2 and mysql need to be able to talk to it, too |
| 00:25.52 | bzed | Regner_: you can remove the guest ok = part form all shares and put it under the defaults on top instead. guest ok = false |
| 00:25.53 | Malf | the guest account = |
| 00:26.14 | bzed | Phuzion2: mysql can;t talk to php. only the other way round |
| 00:26.17 | Malf | is to say what account is the guest account (when guest ok = true) |
| 00:26.27 | Malf | yeah |
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| 00:26.57 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: uh, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql php4-common- ? Only guessing... |
| 00:27.11 | bzed | Phuzion2: you login, search for avaiable php5 packaes, look which of them you need, and install them. apt-get will do the rest for you |
| 00:27.22 | bzed | !tell Phuzion2 about apt-cache |
| 00:27.26 | anabain | I have a problem when upgrading dist in sid. Apt says MDsums don't match... Any ideas? |
| 00:27.36 | Phuzion2 | bzed: I know what apt-cache is |
| 00:27.44 | Regner_ | bzed: by the default section do you mean the global section ? |
| 00:27.51 | Phuzion2 | For some reason, when I try to install php5, it says it has no installation candidate |
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| 00:27.56 | Malf | Regner_: yeah he does |
| 00:27.56 | jelly-home | anabain: do an update first |
| 00:28.06 | fasta | When I click the Iceweasel icon in Gnome, it claims that an instance is already running (which is true) and informs me of that. I just want it to open a new frame. |
| 00:28.16 | fasta | Why isn't that the default behaviour? |
| 00:28.25 | anabain | jelly-home, I do this: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:28.30 | Phuzion2 | bzed: and apt-cache search php5 returns nothing |
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| 00:28.56 | JoshJ | fasta: it is for me |
| 00:29.02 | Thomass | why when I download firefox2 from his official website, I untar it, and I do ./firefox, it launches iceweasel ? |
| 00:29.12 | jelly-home | anabain: hm, might be your mirror isn't synched correctly. Or it could be something else. |
| 00:29.15 | fasta | JoshJ: What is the command that gets executed? |
| 00:29.18 | JoshJ | hit Ctrl+N or file-new window |
| 00:29.20 | Regner_ | Malf: thank you |
| 00:29.26 | JoshJ | iceweasel %u |
| 00:29.30 | justin | Thomass: did you already have iceweasel running? |
| 00:29.38 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: which release are you using, stable? |
| 00:29.38 | Thomass | yes justin |
| 00:29.38 | enouf | JoshJ: make/model please? |
| 00:29.42 | justin | Thomass: close it |
| 00:29.47 | JoshJ | enouf, hp pavilion zd8000 |
| 00:29.51 | Phuzion2 | jelly-home, not sure, I think sarge |
| 00:29.53 | Thomass | justin yes but closed too that do that |
| 00:29.54 | Gryfelhase | hi.... axwtv dosen't show a picture anymore (just a black screen), since i installed the nvidia-graphics driver from nvidia-hp for my mx440 (using Xfree on sarge) |
| 00:30.00 | Phuzion2 | i downloaded the ISO from debian.org today |
| 00:30.06 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 00:30.10 | justin | Gryfelhase: use tvtime |
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| 00:30.32 | enouf | JoshJ: ok .. there's been some hp laptops .. nXXXX versions having messed up BIOSes as it pertains to ACPI .. hold a sec |
| 00:30.37 | linux3 | anyone know of a good application i can use to connect to a wireless network? |
| 00:30.40 | linux3 | via a GUI? |
| 00:30.41 | Phuzion2 | jelly-home, what is this supposed to do? |
| 00:30.41 | JoshJ | hm |
| 00:31.00 | anabain | jelly-home, I've tried again and it worked... weird! |
| 00:31.02 | valiant | could anyone please take a look at http://tools.gallery2.org/pastebin/1381 ? i have a sarge -> etch upgrade issue. upgrading x11-common failed |
| 00:31.05 | fasta | JoshJ: When I do that here, it works. This means there's a bug in Iceweasel |
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| 00:31.11 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: dump the version of libc6 package, pointing to the release |
| 00:31.23 | JoshJ | if it's the BIOS, that'd also explain why it'll shut down while booting, before it even loads GRUB |
| 00:31.26 | fasta | JoshJ: I will report it, since it annoys the hell out of me. |
| 00:31.31 | Phuzion2 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 00:31.36 | JoshJ | fasta, all right |
| 00:31.45 | enouf | JoshJ: see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/current/changelog .. recent entry by stephen langasek * debian/patches/bugfix/hp-laptop-acpi-blacklist.patch: ACPI-blacklist certain HP laptop models (nx6125, nx6325, nc6120, and related) |
| 00:31.50 | bzed | valiant: dpkg -r x11-common; apt-get install xorg << I think that helped |
| 00:31.59 | fasta | JoshJ: iceweasel -P default %u |
| 00:32.07 | fasta | JoshJ: try that, and see it fail ... |
| 00:32.13 | enouf | JoshJ: follow the related Bugs that were issued |
| 00:32.18 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: yes, looks like sarge. If you only need php5, you can use the one from http://backports.org ... /msg dpkg backports |
| 00:32.20 | Gryfelhase | exact the same problem with tvtime |
| 00:32.21 | bzed | valiant: but I think you want to report that as a bug, or look if it's allready reported, that should work without any problems |
| 00:32.23 | JoshJ | fasta, indeed |
| 00:32.28 | JoshJ | just change the shortcut |
| 00:32.31 | Gryfelhase | only a blue screen |
| 00:32.39 | bzed | Phuzion2: or you upgrade to etch, which will be the new stable when it's out |
| 00:32.42 | JoshJ | enouf, looking now |
| 00:32.42 | Phuzion2 | jelly-home, is sarge the latest stable release? |
| 00:32.48 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: it is. |
| 00:32.58 | Gryfelhase | oh, no, it works |
| 00:33.03 | jelly-home | bzed: _when_ it's out |
| 00:33.05 | JoshJ | enouf, that doesn't apply to this, i don't think |
| 00:33.13 | JoshJ | the nx series is different from the zd series |
| 00:33.16 | Gryfelhase | had a blue screen because of xawtv was running in background :) |
| 00:33.16 | justin | Gryfelhase: sounds like you were trying to watch the video-in input |
| 00:33.17 | Phuzion2 | So, if I upgrade to etch, it has php5 in the repositories? |
| 00:33.18 | jelly-home | bzed: which might take a while |
| 00:33.19 | bzed | valiant: aah sorry, didn;t see everything |
| 00:33.22 | justin | Gryfelhase: or that |
| 00:33.33 | enouf | JoshJ: boy .. you certainly read massive bug reports really faast |
| 00:33.35 | bzed | valiant: sounds like you'd want to remove the fglrx-driver-package, too |
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| 00:33.44 | fasta | JoshJ: What's the point of using %u in a starter? |
| 00:33.47 | JoshJ | enouf, huh? you said look at the entry by steve langasek |
| 00:33.58 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: it indeed does |
| 00:34.02 | enouf | JoshJ: I said follow up via reading the bug reports |
| 00:34.07 | JoshJ | ah, sorry |
| 00:34.13 | Phuzion2 | alright then, how do I go about upgrading to etch? |
| 00:34.29 | JoshJ | fasta, i dunno, i just dragged-and-dropped from the applications menu to my gnome-panel |
| 00:34.29 | jelly-home | Phuzion2: it also has apache 2.2 and other stuff |
| 00:34.30 | bzed | valiant: I think you should also report a bug against fglrx-driver - it should not mess with the upgrade |
| 00:34.32 | valiant | bzed: thanks. i tried to remove it with apt-get remove fglrx-driver -f, but it won't. it fails with package dependencies |
| 00:34.41 | fasta | JoshJ: ok |
| 00:34.42 | jelly-home | !sarge->etch |
| 00:34.42 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 00:35.09 | bzed | valiant: what depends on it? removing that, too will help |
| 00:35.38 | enouf | JoshJ: bottom line, is it's not entirely certain which/any/all exact models this affects yet .. those are the most prominant models that seem to have reports issued |
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| 00:36.02 | enouf | jlamr: for ex; i heard that certain Acer laptops are also affected |
| 00:36.04 | JoshJ | ah, i see. how can i tell that these problems are in fact affecting my laptop? |
| 00:36.09 | enouf | JoshJ: ^^ |
| 00:36.11 | JoshJ | (and that it's not a different problem) |
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| 00:36.21 | Quintin | http://daecom.biz/paste/ w00t |
| 00:36.29 | enouf | sorry jlamr |
| 00:36.38 | jlamr | np |
| 00:36.50 | JoshJ | obviously if it's affecting the zd range i should file a report, but i obviously don't want to file one if it's not the same bug |
| 00:36.57 | enouf | JoshJ: the bug reports go into great detail .. and the links from within them |
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| 00:37.12 | enouf | JoshJ: hence why I suggessted reading them |
| 00:37.20 | JoshJ | well, i'm partway through one :p |
| 00:37.41 | linux3 | anyone know of a good application i can use to connect to a wireless network? |
| 00:37.42 | linux3 | via a GUI? |
| 00:37.54 | justin | linux3: network manager |
| 00:37.57 | JoshJ | gnome-network-manager? |
| 00:38.04 | linux3 | i don't have gnome |
| 00:38.05 | Quintin | linux3: kwifimanager? gnome-network-manager? |
| 00:38.07 | linux3 | i use kde |
| 00:38.14 | jelly-home | Quintin: funny AdSense ads on your pastebin: "Reasons Not To Eat Salmon" |
| 00:38.15 | Malf | then kwifimanager |
| 00:38.34 | linux3 | i doesn't allow me to select a network and then connect to it |
| 00:38.44 | Quintin | jelly-home: as long as you click it... <3 |
| 00:38.56 | Quintin | I'm making big bucks with the google pack by the way. $4 yesterday! :D |
| 00:39.05 | justin | linux3: knetworkmanager |
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| 00:39.28 | Quintin | I do hope that google figures out it's about code though, and not, like, "safe school paste for children" |
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| 00:39.59 | valiant | bzed: see http://tools.gallery2.org/pastebin/1385 this stuff looks circular to me |
| 00:40.14 | Quintin | valiant: traitor. |
| 00:41.09 | valiant | heh, what? :) |
| 00:41.21 | Quintin | valiant: http://daecom.biz/paste/ , you fool! |
| 00:41.35 | valiant | sorry, i'm a g2 dev :) |
| 00:41.50 | justin | valiant: remove all the fglrx stuff at the same time |
| 00:41.52 | Quintin | d'oh! |
| 00:41.59 | jelly-home | Chinese Fat-Loss Secret. As Seen on TV! |
| 00:42.29 | Quintin | LOL |
| 00:42.51 | Quintin | Should I put "LINUX LINUX LINUX DEBIAN REDHAT FREEBSD" in some invisble text to try and get google to make it better? :p |
| 00:43.21 | bzed | valiant: apt-get -f install ? |
| 00:43.30 | jelly-home | but "paste" seems to trigger funny stuff |
| 00:43.46 | bzed | valiant: or: dpkg -r the fxlg stuff first |
| 00:43.58 | valiant | bzed: apt-get instal -f fails with dependencies.. |
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| 00:44.09 | valiant | justin: that faiils as well, see http://tools.gallery2.org/pastebin/1387 |
| 00:44.44 | bzed | valiant: well then... dpkg -r --force-depends flxgr-whatever |
| 00:44.51 | justin | valiant: stop passing -f |
| 00:44.57 | justin | valiant: it doesn't do what you think it does |
| 00:45.12 | valiant | bzed: apt-get install -f is basically doing a dist-upgrade and running in the x11-common issue again |
| 00:45.19 | valiant | ok, not using -f anymore, thx |
| 00:45.35 | bzed | valiant: remove that fbxl thing and then try apt-get install xorg |
| 00:45.38 | justin | and if that still fails, just purge them with one of the various force options |
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| 00:46.04 | bzed | valiant: remove as in dpkg -P --force-all or so |
| 00:46.34 | valiant | ok, i'm a little further with dpkg, fglrx-driver removed. i'll follow up on that and let you know how it goes, thx |
| 00:47.08 | bzed | valiant: try apt-get install xorg now |
| 00:48.49 | sidjster | lm sensors the best way to go? |
| 00:49.01 | JoshJ | hm |
| 00:49.45 | JoshJ | what's the current sid kernel version? |
| 00:50.14 | streuner_ | !tell Joshj about search |
| 00:50.26 | stoned | ahhhh oby |
| 00:51.30 | valiant | bzed: apt-get install -f continuous now. let's assume the upgrade will be successfull, do you think it was an undocumented fglrx <-> x11 dependency issue? |
| 00:51.35 | stoned | why are we forcing things ow |
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| 00:52.42 | bzed | valiant: yeah, something weird in that direction. there's a new fglrx driver, so it should be updated first.. or work around that problem in which way ever |
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| 00:52.51 | bzed | valiant: are you installing xorg now? |
| 00:53.05 | bzed | valiant: you'll have to install the fgl-stuff again |
| 00:53.41 | bzed | valiant: it'd be good if you'd check if there's a bugreport on that fgl package, and if not, report it, I'd think that's an important, rc bug :\ |
| 00:53.48 | valiant | bzed: yes, installing xorg and everything else |
| 00:54.00 | stoned | what cideo card do you have |
| 00:54.09 | stoned | video |
| 00:54.15 | valiant | bzed: where's the right place to report it? |
| 00:54.49 | valiant | stoned: me? some ati firegl for a IBM (lenovo) thinkpad t43p |
| 00:54.56 | stoned | oh |
| 00:54.57 | valiant | 1.5 year old notebook |
| 00:55.02 | bzed | !tell valiant about bdo |
| 00:55.14 | bzed | valiant: you can use reportbug |
| 00:55.40 | bzed | valiant: you should attach the pastebins and a summary of what you needed to do to work around that bug |
| 00:55.41 | valiant | bzed: i'll search it, thanks |
| 00:55.48 | bzed | valiant: it's not reported yet |
| 00:56.05 | bzed | valiant: I've allready checked it, also reportbug will show you a nice listing of all bugs |
| 00:56.10 | valiant | i'll follow up on it once the upgrade is done, a matter of an hour i guess |
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| 00:57.12 | bzed | valiant: I'd file it as serious bug |
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| 00:57.19 | valiant | the funny thing is that my evening started with windows update farking up my windows partition (never had that before), so i thought it's a good time to upgrade my sarge partition to etch |
| 00:57.24 | JoshJ | enouf, i apologize for having to ask, but after reading that thread it seems i have the options of either (a) booting noacpi, (b) installing a kernel manually, or (c) upgrading to sid. you seem to be knowledgeable about this, so which would you recommend? |
| 00:57.26 | valiant | bzed: k |
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| 00:57.57 | bzed | valiant: imho it's release critical. not sure though, didn;t read the whole stuff about what a RC bug is and what not |
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| 00:58.13 | enouf | JoshJ: actually i'm not too knowledgeable about it .. i just read a lot when I can ;-) .. does it appear ro be your issue? |
| 00:58.43 | JoshJ | yes, it does, though i don't know for sure that the same bug matches zd as nx, and there wasn't anything in there that described how i would be able to tell for sure |
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| 00:59.11 | bzed | JoshJ: what's the problem? i've missed it somewhere up there |
| 00:59.17 | raf256 | on debian stable, why is tripwire scanning /proc O_o ? wtf/ |
| 00:59.19 | JoshJ | bzed, overheating on a HP pavilion zd8000 |
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| 00:59.39 | JoshJ | i am suffering from that memory "leak" mentioned |
| 00:59.40 | Gryfelhase | uahhh.... i can't use streamer anymore |
| 00:59.53 | JoshJ | and yacpi is showing me running at 75 degrees right now |
| 01:00.01 | JoshJ | s/5/4/ |
| 01:00.02 | enouf | JoshJ: If that's the case .. it might be nice to add to the list the models affected .. anyways, I think, so far, the only workaround is a newer kernel from upstream .. |
| 01:00.06 | Gryfelhase | while xawtv dosn't work anymore after installing nvidia-binaries |
| 01:00.20 | bzed | JoshJ: does the fan blow? |
| 01:00.24 | JoshJ | enouf, well, they did say you could boot noacpi, but that would cause it to only recognize one core |
| 01:00.24 | enouf | JoshJ: or the acpi=off option |
| 01:00.27 | JoshJ | bzed, basically all the time |
| 01:00.38 | JoshJ | enouf, yeah, i should probably try that |
| 01:00.41 | bzed | JoshJ: centrino based? pentium-M ? |
| 01:00.42 | JoshJ | how exactly do i do that? |
| 01:00.45 | JoshJ | bzed, P4 |
| 01:00.52 | JoshJ | one of the hyperthreaded models |
| 01:00.58 | enouf | JoshJ: right .. and a whole host of other things ACPI related will not function |
| 01:01.00 | raf256 | is this a bug? |
| 01:01.05 | JoshJ | raf256, seems like it |
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| 01:01.13 | JoshJ | from the stuff enouf linked me to |
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| 01:01.22 | bzed | JoshJ: which kernel are you running? |
| 01:01.26 | raf256 | !bitchslap tripwire |
| 01:01.30 | enouf | JoshJ: add it to your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:01.33 | raf256 | should I report that as a bug? |
| 01:01.35 | bzed | JoshH: and what says dmesg | grep -i acpi |
| 01:01.35 | JoshJ | the thread he linked to is about the nx* series, i'm on the zd* series |
| 01:01.38 | enouf | JoshJ: your kernel cmdline |
| 01:01.49 | bzed | JoshJ: and what says dmesg | grep -i acpi |
| 01:01.53 | JoshJ | bzed, a hell of a lot |
| 01:01.53 | JoshJ | hold on |
| 01:02.14 | enouf | JoshJ: cat /proc/cmdline now to see what you have there |
| 01:02.15 | bzed | !beer JoshH for beeing poked instead of JoshJ all the time |
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| 01:02.39 | JoshJ | http://rafb.net/p/HNoBV250.html |
| 01:02.53 | enouf | JoshJ: I don;t need to see it .. but ok .. |
| 01:02.57 | JoshJ | enouf, bzed asked |
| 01:03.07 | enouf | JoshJ: oh .. doh .. sorry |
| 01:03.15 | JoshJ | bzed, 2.6.18.whatevertestingisusing |
| 01:03.26 | JoshJ | 2.6.18.3 |
| 01:03.26 | enouf | I thought you pasted your cmdline |
| 01:03.40 | JoshJ | $ cat /proc/cmdline |
| 01:03.40 | JoshJ | root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 01:03.44 | JoshJ | that's all i get from that |
| 01:03.54 | enouf | add acpi=off .. not noacpi |
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| 01:04.13 | enouf | JoshJ: ^^ |
| 01:04.16 | JoshJ | ok |
| 01:04.17 | JoshJ | hold on |
| 01:04.18 | bzed | not sure if you want to run without acpi, though |
| 01:04.35 | bzed | does the speedstepping work? |
| 01:04.55 | JoshJ | enouf, i've never edited that before, where do i put that line? |
| 01:05.00 | JoshJ | after the initrd line? |
| 01:05.25 | JoshJ | i dual boot and the last entry is windows, so i know it obviously doesn't go at the end |
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| 01:05.49 | bzed | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.19.2 root=/dev/mapper/SataRaid5-ROOT ro noapic |
| 01:05.53 | bzed | like that |
| 01:05.54 | bzed | oh |
| 01:06.09 | bzed | I sthould try the 2.6.20 without noapic.,.. probably it'll work now |
| 01:06.10 | JoshJ | oh, so ro acpi=off? |
| 01:06.17 | bzed | yes |
| 01:06.24 | JoshJ | hm... |
| 01:06.30 | JoshJ | i'm going to make that a separate entry, actually |
| 01:06.49 | bzed | you can still edit it while booting.. that's why grub rocks ;) |
| 01:06.53 | JoshJ | heh |
| 01:07.05 | JoshJ | i just made a separate entry, figure that'll work |
| 01:07.26 | JoshJ | i'll reboot in a couple minutes |
| 01:07.42 | JoshJ | it's holding pretty steady at 74 degrees C right now, according to yacpi |
| 01:08.20 | JoshJ | from that thread, it says no acpi disables the second core on a dual core system... will it screw with a hyperthreaded processor the same way, or no? |
| 01:09.42 | JoshJ | i'm really not at all familiar with what acpi really does |
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| 01:13.44 | bzed | JoshH: not sure, most laptops are buggy without acpi, though - except the thinkpads. |
| 01:13.49 | bzed | JoshJ: ^^ |
| 01:14.00 | bzed | JoshJ: do you run any speedstepping? |
| 01:14.09 | bzed | using the ondemand governor should help a bit |
| 01:14.10 | JoshJ | i haven't turned any on |
| 01:14.16 | JoshJ | yacpi shows this |
| 01:14.20 | JoshJ | cpu governor: not supported |
| 01:14.23 | JoshJ | so i assume not |
| 01:14.32 | flurdoing | does anyone have an opinion as to what the 'best' imap server for a small webmail system running on debian is? i'm not experienced enough to make an informed decision between courier-imap, cyrus, binc, etc... |
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| 01:15.02 | bzed | flurdoing: courier imho |
| 01:15.15 | bzed | flurdoing: cyrus is a too big beast for a small webmail system |
| 01:15.39 | bzed | courier just uses the system's users |
| 01:15.41 | JoshJ | flurdoing, whichever one you know how to use? |
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| 01:16.03 | Quintin | flurdoing: courier-imap |
| 01:16.06 | nethenson | hello |
| 01:16.10 | flurdoing | JoshJ: i dont know how to use any, i'm about to figure one of them out based on your recommendations :) looks like courier is the winner |
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| 01:16.28 | nethenson | Can i make apt-get to use axel instead of the default downloader? |
| 01:16.54 | alexIdoia | ls |
| 01:17.11 | dondelelcaro | nethenson: if you have it set up as an http proxy, yes; otherwise no. |
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| 01:17.37 | nethenson | dondelelcaro: how can i do that? |
| 01:17.39 | flurdoing | btw.. where is etch at? |
| 01:17.51 | alexIdoia | how do I copy hidden files with mv ? |
| 01:17.56 | JoshJ | it's on the "testing" part of the site |
| 01:18.05 | alexIdoia | it looks like it only copies not hidden files |
| 01:18.09 | bzed | valiant: probably you want to make it a grave bug ;) |
| 01:18.13 | dondelelcaro | nethenson: why in the world do you want to? |
| 01:18.14 | justin | alexIdoia: uh, mv moves files, it doesn't copy them |
| 01:18.25 | bzed | nethenson: wtf is axel? |
| 01:18.41 | alexIdoia | justin yes sorry, but that is what I want anyway, how can I move hidden files ? |
| 01:18.44 | bzed | nethenson: and why the hell would you want that? |
| 01:18.46 | nethenson | bzed: axel is a "download acelerator". |
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| 01:19.04 | JoshJ | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ <-- there's testing, flurdoing |
| 01:19.11 | dondelelcaro | nethenson: yes, and I'm still asking why you'd want to use it. |
| 01:19.14 | justin | alexIdoia: are you trying to do something like mv * /somewhere/ ? |
| 01:19.15 | bzed | nethenson: apt-get does this on it's own. no need to worry |
| 01:19.20 | flurdoing | JoshJ: thx.. i'm downloading now :) |
| 01:19.21 | nethenson | well, downloading with axel gets me much better speeds, than the standard apt |
| 01:19.27 | alexIdoia | justin, yes |
| 01:19.30 | dondelelcaro | nethenson: if your mirror isn't fast enough to fully saturate your connection then you need to change mirrors. |
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| 01:20.03 | alexIdoia | justin, it does not mv hidden files, how can I do ? |
| 01:20.31 | Gryfelhase | aehm...... call the hiddenfiles with a leading . |
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| 01:20.47 | Gryfelhase | mv .example /tmp/.example |
| 01:20.52 | alexIdoia | justin, ? |
| 01:20.53 | JoshJ | er, works for me |
| 01:20.59 | nethenson | dondelelcaro: i can tell you that with apt-axel I get 70K/s , with apt-get only 20K. But apt-axel is an ugly hack |
| 01:21.00 | JoshJ | mv .mozilla ~/Desktop |
| 01:21.02 | justin | alexIdoia: it's not mv, it is your shell |
| 01:21.08 | JoshJ | then cd Desktop then mv .mozilla ~ |
| 01:21.18 | JoshJ | worked for me *shrug* |
| 01:21.18 | alexIdoia | alright, how do I set that with rsh ? |
| 01:21.19 | Dewi | nethenson: so is the whole concept of combining files from different http servers |
| 01:21.35 | bzed | alexIdoia: mv \.[^.]* newdirectory |
| 01:21.43 | justin | alexIdoia: probably what you mean do do is move the actual directory itself, not the files in it |
| 01:21.49 | dondelelcaro | nethenson: again, pick a non-crappy mirror |
| 01:21.59 | justin | using * with cp,mv,rm is almost always a bad idea |
| 01:22.47 | JoshJ | lol justin |
| 01:22.48 | JoshJ | only with the -r tag :p |
| 01:22.48 | JoshJ | rm * is a perfectly fine way to nuke the contents of a folder :) |
| 01:22.48 | justin | JoshJ: no, it is usually either redundant or wrong |
| 01:22.48 | bzed | mv .. /tmp cou;ld be bad, too :P |
| 01:22.59 | bzed | JoshJ: except the hidden files |
| 01:23.13 | justin | rm * usually should be;cd .. rm somedir -r |
| 01:23.29 | nethenson | Dewi: it is not about the mirror, i can tell you. I think that my ISP has a crappy trafic-shaping policy. I get 20K/s per connection. With axel -n4 I get to 70K/s. |
| 01:23.40 | JoshJ | bzed, good point |
| 01:23.48 | bzed | rm \.[^.]* * << that would remove hidden files, too... but removing the directory and re-creating it would be the better way |
| 01:24.02 | JoshJ | silly .* expanding to .. |
| 01:24.05 | bzed | NEVER do rm -rf \.* |
| 01:24.20 | bzed | or rm -rf .* ;) |
| 01:24.20 | JoshJ | heh |
| 01:24.30 | JoshJ | or rm -rf /* |
| 01:24.40 | bzed | that's funny though |
| 01:24.43 | justin | rm -rf /* is another example of 'redundant' |
| 01:24.46 | justin | rm -rf / works just fine |
| 01:24.47 | JoshJ | indeed |
| 01:24.53 | bzed | at the end you'll get: you're not here, go away |
| 01:25.03 | justin | so again, * with rm is almsot always a bad idea:) |
| 01:25.09 | JoshJ | bzed, are you serious? let me go try that! </sarcasm> |
| 01:25.26 | bzed | JoshJ: yes, i am. I think removing /etc/passwd is enough to get that message, though |
| 01:25.44 | bzed | we did it once just for fun |
| 01:25.56 | justin | also, if you are on a system with a user friendly getopt(not solaris or something) it is better to run rm /some/dir -rf rather than rm /some/dir -rf |
| 01:25.59 | Dewi | justin: * is what it is - if you know it isn't "all files" then it is fine |
| 01:26.21 | JoshJ | justin, huh? those look the same to me |
| 01:26.24 | justin | Dewi: if you want to delete all the files, you are almost always better off going up one directory and deleteing the whole thing |
| 01:26.42 | justin | JoshJ: er, I mean 'rather than rm -rf /some/dir' |
| 01:26.45 | JoshJ | ah |
| 01:26.52 | JoshJ | i'm curious, what's the difference? |
| 01:27.09 | justin | JoshJ: if you accidentially hit enter to soon while running rm -rf /some/dir you are screwed |
| 01:27.22 | JoshJ | point taken |
| 01:27.31 | bzed | JoshJ: compare `echo *` by `echo \.[^.]* *` in a shell |
| 01:27.45 | JoshJ | alternatively, do the entire thing with ls first, then replace ls with rm once you're sure it won't nuke the wrong thing |
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| 01:27.50 | bzed | somewhere where you have hidden files |
| 01:27.53 | dav_ | elo |
| 01:28.38 | dav_ | is it possible to create virtual account on a mail server i mean virtual because separate from system account |
| 01:28.45 | JoshJ | bzed, the latter doesn't expand to . and .. , i'm aware of the issue there ;p |
| 01:29.15 | bzed | dav_: you'd hav to use cyrus for that, and configure your mta to handle virtual domains and to use cyrdeliver as mda |
| 01:29.30 | justin | you don't HAVE to use cyrus |
| 01:29.33 | bzed | JoshJ: no, * does not include any hidden files ;) |
| 01:29.40 | alexIdoia | is it the same problem with chown -R ? |
| 01:29.43 | justin | almost any mail server lets you do virtual hosting |
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| 01:29.50 | bzed | true |
| 01:30.01 | sidjster | gkrellm is sweet |
| 01:30.01 | bzed | but.. uhm.. I'd use anything but cyrus |
| 01:30.08 | JoshJ | well, .* |
| 01:30.10 | justin | alexIdoia: yes, you really would have been better off just moving and renaming the directory instead of trying to move the contents |
| 01:30.10 | sidjster | dont know how accurate it is |
| 01:30.12 | JoshJ | but yes |
| 01:30.15 | dav_ | justin, but for the mailserver root@first-domain.com and root@second-domain are separated |
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| 01:30.20 | bzed | JoshJ: no, .* includes . and .. ;) |
| 01:30.21 | Dewi | justin: here's a more difficult question - how do I "merge" two directory trees, in the same way that in windows you can copy one directory over another one and the contents will be the combined contents of both? |
| 01:30.25 | JoshJ | yeah, that's what i meant |
| 01:30.29 | nethenson | so... I understand that axel shouldn't get me better speeds but it gets me. Where can i read more about using "apt as a http proxy", that dondelelcaro mentioned? |
| 01:30.31 | JoshJ | .* includes . and .., the regex doesn't |
| 01:30.40 | Dewi | justin: the only way I know involves using 'tar cf - | tar xf -' |
| 01:30.55 | ki11bi11 | trying to upgrade i get libc6.postinst: line 365 1309 segmentation fault update-rc.d "$@" >/dev/null |
| 01:30.58 | justin | Dewi: rsync would work |
| 01:30.59 | Adrian_dlcspm | Hello. I did some backups (not enough it seems), then installed another OS on the disk (FreeBSD). Is there any way to retrieve any of the info that may still be on the disk? |
| 01:31.09 | Dewi | nethenson: you mean using axel has a http proxy |
| 01:31.13 | Dewi | nethenson: apt is the client |
| 01:31.31 | Dewi | nethenson: do a few minutes of download time for software on your cheap ISP connection really matter so much? |
| 01:31.35 | bzed | ki11bi11: ouch :D from where to where are you upgrading? |
| 01:31.53 | JoshJ | Adrian_dlcspm, in theory yes |
| 01:31.57 | Dewi | justin: true |
| 01:32.03 | Dewi | justin: rsync is great |
| 01:32.14 | dondelelcaro | nethenson: that wasn't the point. The point was that you've picked a mirror which is slow and cannot max out your connection. Change to a mirror that can. |
| 01:32.17 | JoshJ | in practice, there's a reason a lot of people put /home on a separate partition |
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| 01:32.25 | Adrian_dlcspm | JoshJ : How would I go about it? Is there a known procedure? |
| 01:32.26 | ki11bi11 | bzed, sarge to testing, but i get it when ever i try to change kernel |
| 01:32.28 | bzed | nethenson: and still, use a different irror. if the mirror you're using limits your connection speed it has a reason for doing so, don;t try to work around that by using multiple connections parallel |
| 01:32.38 | Dewi | justin: oh, actually, it seems 'cp' does merge things. 'mv' does not |
| 01:32.43 | JoshJ | Adrian_dlcspm, find a forensics expert |
| 01:32.53 | Adrian_dlcspm | JoshH : Reasonably what can I do? |
| 01:32.56 | alexIdoia | can someone tell me the command to rename a bunch of file recursively as for ex mv *thisendofname *thisnewendofname ? |
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| 01:33.15 | ki11bi11 | i have sagre 2.4 kernel trying to get to 2.6 kernel |
| 01:33.29 | peppe | alexIdoia: rename(1), of course |
| 01:33.33 | JoshJ | Adrian_dlcspm, reasonably, find an expert |
| 01:33.36 | ki11bi11 | but libc6 keeps choking |
| 01:33.40 | bzed | ki11bi11: hmm, try apt-get --reinstall install perl-base, probably that's the problem, or try to upgrade perl-base |
| 01:33.45 | justin | Dewi: it does? |
| 01:33.50 | bzed | ki11bi11: it should not crash, thoguh O_o |
| 01:34.00 | nethenson | bzed: do really you think that the 20K speed instead of 70K speed is a mirror issue? |
| 01:34.21 | dondelelcaro | ki11bi11: if you're getting a segmentation fault when update-rc.d is being run, something is really wrong. |
| 01:34.33 | bzed | nethenson: if you get 70k with multiple connections from that mirror - yes, it is. and it has a reason. choose a different mirror. |
| 01:34.39 | nethenson | are you telling me that ftp.de.debian.org is limiting downloads to 20K per connection? |
| 01:34.52 | valiant | bzed: dist-upgrade was successful. i wanted to install fglrx-driver again, but it reports "Package fglrx-driver is not available, but is referred to by another package.". apt-cache search yields xserver-org-video-ati, is that what should be used now? |
| 01:34.58 | concept10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.58 | bzed | nethenson: are you using http or ftp? |
| 01:35.01 | dondelelcaro | nethenson: no, we're telling you that ftp.de.debian.org is saturated, and the average of all connections to it is 20k/s |
| 01:35.09 | nethenson | http |
| 01:35.14 | Dewi | nethenson: tried ftp? |
| 01:35.14 | ki11bi11 | bzed, thanks, i'll try the reinstall |
| 01:35.15 | justin | valiant: there is no such package as fglrx-driver, that was your problem in the first place |
| 01:35.17 | peppe | concept10: yes |
| 01:35.29 | Dewi | nethenson: you will get slower connection times but might get faster transfers |
| 01:35.32 | bzed | nethenson: ftp.de was slow the last time, so I could imagine that, yes. try ftp:// instead of http://, and/or try ftp2.de.debian.org |
| 01:35.32 | justin | valiant: er, nevermind that |
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| 01:35.44 | alexIdoia | peppe yes but I am not sure how to take the bit of the file that I wan to keep and only change the one that I want, such as thisfileisblack to become thisdirisblack |
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| 01:35.55 | valiant | justin: i don't remember the details, but i might have compiled that stuff from sources. |
| 01:36.04 | alexIdoia | but not know the 'isblack' |
| 01:36.05 | JoshJ | alexIdoia, do you have a GUI or just a command line? |
| 01:36.08 | justin | it's called fglrx-driver in debian, the more sane xorg-driver-fglrx in ubuntu ;) |
| 01:36.11 | alexIdoia | command line |
| 01:36.14 | JoshJ | ah |
| 01:36.16 | concept10 | peppe, thanks |
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| 01:36.21 | justin | valiant: check for non-free in your sources.list |
| 01:36.32 | JoshJ | nvm, was going to suggest the thunar bulk renamer :( |
| 01:36.39 | justin | valiant: you would have had to compile fglrx-kernel |
| 01:36.56 | nethenson | nevermind, the thing is that it doesn't occurrs with debian.org only. Even downloading from everyother place (even FTP from friends), I get very small speeds unless using axel |
| 01:37.01 | alexIdoia | peppe, ? |
| 01:37.23 | bzed | nethenson: do you have a little crappy dsl router? |
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| 01:37.44 | nethenson | yes, a crappy dsl router, shared with 100 people |
| 01:37.52 | valiant | justin: yep, will do the whole kernel procedure for fglrx again, thanks |
| 01:38.00 | nethenson | , bzed |
| 01:38.16 | alexIdoia | or someone ? |
| 01:38.30 | bzed | nethenson: have you tried it when you're all alone online? |
| 01:38.46 | bzed | nethenson: and nobody else is using it... |
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| 01:39.28 | nethenson | bzed: if i unplug them from the router, yes.. I get no speed advantage from using axel |
| 01:40.27 | nethenson | (unplug them from the switches) |
| 01:40.47 | JoshJ | nethenson, seems rather cruel to unplug 100 other people from a router just to test your connection |
| 01:40.49 | Dewi | nethenson: so what you're really asking is how to hammer everyone else on your network? |
| 01:40.53 | bzed | nethenson: then I could see two reasons: either the router tries to share the bandwidth equally per connection, or it's connection tracking table is saturated and it doesn't know what to do with some incoming packets, or the others are just pulling a ton of stuff and are saturating the line, and you slap them by using a ton of connections at the same time |
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| 01:42.02 | alexIdoia | can someone help me use rename, I have a bunch of files such as *word* that I want to rename *otherword* |
| 01:42.05 | bzed | nethenson: first thing to solve such problems is to replace a stupid little router by a box runnign linux. some good openwrt box is probably enough, or get an old pentirum or PII, a 2GB hdd and put debian on it |
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| 01:42.22 | Dewi | bzed: so true |
| 01:42.28 | bzed | nethenson: or even without hdd, there're firewall distribs running from floppy or usb0stick |
| 01:42.37 | bzed | nethenson: you just need enough ram |
| 01:42.44 | nethenson | well, i think that the boxes providing ftp/http/printing/forum services... should have a little priority over the rest of the computers (the rest of the computers includes mine of course) |
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| 01:43.30 | nethenson | bzed: there is the classical [LAN]--(debian linux box)--(crappy black dsl router), already in place |
| 01:43.43 | JoshJ | <alexIdoia> peppe yes but I am not sure how to take the bit of the file that I wan to keep and only change the one that I want, such as thisfileisblack to become thisdirisblack <-- rename 's/file/dir/' file1 file2 file 3 |
| 01:43.48 | JoshJ | does that help? |
| 01:43.58 | bzed | nethenson: get the black dsl router out there |
| 01:44.19 | bzed | nethenson: connect the debian box directly to the dsl modem and use pppoe |
| 01:44.20 | nethenson | bzed: and I connect the phone line cable to.... |
| 01:44.36 | nethenson | yes, the black dsl router is a router modem |
| 01:44.50 | Dewi | nethenson: turn off the router feature and just use it as a dumb bridge |
| 01:44.54 | justin | nethenson: you'd probably be much better off with a linux or openbsd box doing traffic shaping then the router |
| 01:45.02 | nethenson | [LAN]- ethernet -(debian linux box)- eternet -(crappy black dsl router)- phone line- , already in place |
| 01:45.14 | alexIdoia | JoshJ I try |
| 01:45.19 | bzed | nethenson: can you configure the router into beeing a bridge? |
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| 01:45.29 | JoshJ | alexIdoia, without knowing what your files are like, i can't give you a good regexp |
| 01:45.30 | bzed | nethenson: as in: not trying to login on it's own? |
| 01:45.44 | Dewi | alexIdoia: experiment in /tmp |
| 01:45.45 | bzed | nethenson: if not, sell it on ebay and get a simple, actual modem instead |
| 01:45.46 | JoshJ | what are you trying to replace/rename exactly? give me a couple of actual examples |
| 01:46.02 | Dewi | bzed: I've never seen a modem that couldn't be configured into a bridge |
| 01:46.20 | alexIdoia | here is an example of file: 2007-02-25 03:06 1172261924.V803Id794f.dimitri:2,S and I want to change the word dimitri to vladimir |
| 01:46.22 | dsl418 | what do I have to do after "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386" to get my computer to boot using it? |
| 01:46.26 | bzed | Dewi: I never had any of those crap thingies, so I don;t knwo |
| 01:46.28 | justin | alexIdoia: rename has a -n option for testing, use that |
| 01:46.46 | JoshJ | rename 's/dimitri/vladimir/ 1172261924.V803Id794f.dimitri:2,S |
| 01:46.50 | JoshJ | er |
| 01:46.51 | bzed | dsl418: usualyl you just reboot. did you see any thing like 'updating lilo' or grub? |
| 01:46.51 | JoshJ | no |
| 01:46.54 | JoshJ | rename 's/dimitri/vladimir/' 1172261924.V803Id794f.dimitri:2,S |
| 01:46.58 | JoshJ | note the trailing apostrophe there |
| 01:47.21 | justin | dsl418: if anything, 'update-grub' |
| 01:47.21 | dsl418 | bzed, actually it didn't finish downloading yet, I just wanted know what happened next. |
| 01:47.30 | dsl418 | dzed, thanks |
| 01:47.35 | bzed | np |
| 01:47.45 | alexIdoia | and recursively how do I do this ? |
| 01:47.57 | JoshJ | i'm not even sure if rename can be done recursively |
| 01:47.59 | dav_ | realy hard... i an't find any valuable doc for howto make complete virtual mail hosting (virtual user (that are not simple aliases) and virtual domain) if someone cld help me i wld be gratefull |
| 01:48.09 | bzed | nethenson: did you check if you can put the router into bridging mode? |
| 01:49.30 | justin | alexIdoia: rename doesn't have a recursive option, usually rename '.......' * */* is enough |
| 01:49.30 | justin | alexIdoia: otherwise you'll need to pip find to xargs to rename :) |
| 01:49.30 | nethenson | bzed: yes, i have found a "switch to bridge mode" telnet command in the documentation |
| 01:49.30 | bzed | alexIdoia: find . -type f | xargs rename ..... |
| 01:49.30 | bzed | ? |
| 01:49.30 | peppe | alexIdoia: something like find -type f -print0 ... | xargs -0 rename ... |
| 01:49.31 | peppe | bzed: :P |
| 01:49.44 | nethenson | bzed: i am doing a configuration backup... |
| 01:49.46 | bzed | yeah, that's better peppe, you never know how weird files can look :P |
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| 01:50.03 | JoshJ | justin, that from someone who says * is bad? :p |
| 01:50.13 | alexIdoia | peppe that would just affect file names not content right ? |
| 01:50.25 | justin | technically zsh lets you do **/* |
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| 01:50.31 | bzed | nethenson: pppoe pppoeconf pppstatus << you want to install that on the debian box then |
| 01:50.36 | justin | JoshJ: * is bad because you should use the -r option, which rename does not have :) |
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| 01:50.41 | JoshJ | lol |
| 01:50.42 | bzed | nethenson: probably before reconfiguring the router :P |
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| 01:51.10 | peppe | alexIdoia: yes. you can always use the --no-act option of rename, so you won't damage anything :) |
| 01:51.15 | nethenson | but.. the router should support pppoe, no? |
| 01:51.22 | bzed | nethenson: no |
| 01:51.30 | alexIdoia | find -type f -print0 dimitri | xargs -0 rename vladimirfind: paths must precede expression |
| 01:51.36 | bzed | nethenson: you need to disable all routing features of the router |
| 01:51.43 | bzed | nethenson: just us it as dumb modem |
| 01:51.52 | peppe | alexIdoia: no, read the man pages of find and rename |
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| 01:52.34 | peppe | alexIdoia: you should do something like find -type f -print0 -iname "*dimitri*" | xargs -0 rename --no-act 's/dimitri/vladimir/g' |
| 01:52.35 | bzed | nethenson: then use pppoe-conf on the debian box to configure it to do the pppoe-stuff. make sure you don;t share anythign with the world you don;t want to share |
| 01:52.47 | donham | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 01:52.48 | donham | . Got this when updating. what's wrong? |
| 01:52.48 | bzed | nethenson: the debian box should probably get a decent firewall, too |
| 01:52.55 | peppe | if everything's ok, remove --no-act from the command line |
| 01:53.00 | bzed | donham: jsut try again |
| 01:53.10 | bzed | donham: seems your mirror is just updating itself |
| 01:53.13 | donham | bzed, tried twice. |
| 01:53.26 | bzed | donham: try later or a different mirror then |
| 01:55.02 | nethenson | bzed: i still think that using axel with apt, will be easier :p (I am downloading an apt-get upgrade at 8493B/s... 9 minutes left to be able to install pppoe) |
| 01:56.04 | bzed | nethenson: but axel won;t solv your problem |
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| 01:56.35 | bzed | nethenson: you want a serious connection to the internet, and with a ton of users, a dumd dsl router is not what you want to have |
| 01:56.55 | nethenson | bzed: with apt-axel I donwload at 50-60K/s... |
| 01:57.18 | bzed | nethenson: and the other people in your network probably nothign anymore :P |
| 01:57.40 | alexIdoia | peepe thanks it worked |
| 01:58.01 | bzed | nethenson: you want to setup a serious router, probably use wondershaper to make sure serious traffic goes out first |
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| 01:58.21 | digijohn | Harrr |
| 01:58.27 | nethenson | bzed: people in the network are using "Emule/Download Acelerator Plus/FlashGet"... and the little debian servers, are confined to a single apt connection |
| 01:58.30 | bzed | nethenson: there're a lot of simple distries which boot from usb-stick or CD ad bring all you need |
| 01:58.31 | nethenson | :p |
| 01:58.48 | liable | !talk like a pirate |
| 01:58.48 | bzed | no wonder :P |
| 01:58.57 | digijohn | I just upgraded Firefox (to "iceweasel", apparently), but now my bookmarks seem to be gone and there are no menus at the top of the screen |
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| 01:59.23 | JoshJ | digijohn, your bookmarks should be in your .mozilla folder in your home directory |
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| 01:59.35 | digijohn | oh, hang on... |
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| 01:59.45 | digijohn | the old version of firefox hadn't completely shut down |
| 01:59.45 | bzed | nethenson: you really want to configure traffic shaping |
| 01:59.49 | digijohn | Let's see if that fixes it |
| 01:59.57 | nethenson | bzed: as soon as i get paid to mantain the network, i will do all the pppoe/bridge things... while i am the "guy who knows how to install a php forum", i just want a faster apt |
| 02:00.00 | bouma | hello, does anyone have any experience running dd_rhelp ? |
| 02:00.08 | Dewi | digijohn: probably will; they are locked pretty heavily. Shut down both and restart |
| 02:00.10 | dav_ | ok noone ever configured a complete virtual mail system |
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| 02:00.18 | digijohn | Yeah, it worked now |
| 02:00.29 | digijohn | Damn downloads window sitting off on another desktop ;-) |
| 02:00.38 | bouma | im just wondering which exact versions of dd_rescue and dd_rhelp you use, cause mine wont actually function properly, the script isnt writing to the log correctly |
| 02:00.40 | digijohn | thanks |
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| 02:01.20 | justin | bouma: weren't those programs re-written to not be a script anymore? |
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| 02:01.47 | bzed | nethenson: there's ipcop, or pfsense and a few other firewall distribs |
| 02:02.26 | justin | bouma: http://freshmeat.net/projects/addrescue/ |
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| 02:03.41 | nethenson | bzed: I will give you the address of the director of my universitary residence... tell him "Internet is not going at its max speed but it can be improved. Pay 'nethenson' , and the problem will be solved" |
| 02:04.30 | nethenson | :p |
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| 02:06.42 | nethenson | so... until then, i will read the lartc.org in my free time, and ask in #debian about getting apt to use several connections |
| 02:06.42 | bzed | nethenson: haha :P |
| 02:07.09 | Quintin | I've installed php4 and php4-gd , but I don't have gd support |
| 02:07.12 | Quintin | what should I check? |
| 02:07.17 | bzed | nethenson: doesn;t look like you're at my university, so I can;t see a chance ;) |
| 02:07.17 | Dewi | nethenson: unless axel has some mode where it can act like a proxy, or somebody has specifically rigged apt to use axel, it will probably take you a lot longer to either 1) make one yourself, or 2) download each .deb manually with axel, than it would to use put up with 1/3 of the speed |
| 02:07.34 | Quintin | pfsense ftw!! |
| 02:08.24 | Dewi | nethenson: if you are just installing a minimal server system with apache and php, I don't see why you're going to be using apt all the time |
| 02:08.32 | justin | actually, you'd probably just have to replace /usr/lib/apt/methods/http wit a version that uses axel |
| 02:08.42 | nethenson | Dewi: the apt-axel scripts does the second thing... It downloads the .deb file to the apt/archive/ directory, and the call apt-get |
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| 02:09.49 | bzed | okay, time for bed, it's 3am |
| 02:09.51 | bzed | n8 |
| 02:10.09 | nethenson | bzed: are you european? |
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| 02:11.29 | bzed | nethenson: yes |
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| 02:11.44 | nethenson | <- spain here, hehe |
| 02:11.51 | bzed | nethenson: germany ;) |
| 02:12.30 | nethenson | when you said "it's 3am" I thought, "wow, it is really late in his time zone" |
| 02:12.36 | nethenson | then i looked my clock |
| 02:12.44 | JoshJ | lol |
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| 02:14.20 | nethenson | I think i will go to bed too |
| 02:14.48 | nethenson | thanks, for all your help and suggestions :) |
| 02:15.04 | nethenson | justin: I will look into the methods/http thing |
| 02:15.08 | nethenson | bye all |
| 02:15.26 | bouma | justin: isnt addrescue the same as ddrescue |
| 02:15.44 | bouma | justin: which doesnt do reverse, and doesnt automatically adapt to errors |
| 02:15.47 | justin | bouma: I think it is a fork |
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| 02:17.30 | Quintin | Ok, I found it |
| 02:17.42 | Quintin | is not having the gd.so in php.ini a bug or a feature ??? |
| 02:17.51 | Quintin | after I apt-get install php4-gd, I would expect it to be there! |
| 02:17.51 | Dewi | bouma: there are also two totally different programs dd_rescue and ddrescue |
| 02:18.05 | Dewi | bouma: the latter being the more sophisticated gnu one |
| 02:18.39 | Dewi | bouma: however I found I needed to hack the source slightly to make sure it was reading in O_DIRECT mode because none of the systems I had access to would let me create a raw I/O device of my disks |
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| 02:20.13 | StarWars | i |
| 02:20.14 | StarWars | hi |
| 02:20.16 | StarWars | Config Error: Insufficient repository configuration. No repositories Found/Enabled. Aborting. |
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| 02:23.20 | JoshJ | yeah, that sounds like a problem |
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| 02:23.24 | JoshJ | what's in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 02:23.58 | adrakoa | hi |
| 02:24.07 | MatBoy-[ph] | hi |
| 02:24.38 | MatBoy-[ph] | Sleep well all |
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| 02:25.06 | adrakoa | the package cedet include Semantic, but this is another package¿!? |
| 02:25.46 | JoshJ | one probably depends on the other |
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| 02:25.54 | JoshJ | i don't see a "cedet" package, just cedet-common and cedet-contrib |
| 02:26.22 | adrakoa | apt-get source semantic |
| 02:26.24 | Anson | can anyone tell me what version etch is, 2.6.18 or 2.8 |
| 02:26.28 | adrakoa | i talk about that |
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| 02:26.32 | StarWars | Config Error: Insufficient repository configuration. No repositories Found/Enabled. Aborting. This must be from my sourcelist ?? |
| 02:26.33 | JoshJ | adrakoa, ok |
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| 02:26.48 | JoshJ | are you talking about the "The following extra packages will be installed:" thing? |
| 02:26.51 | streuner_ | Anson: sounds rather like a kernel-version |
| 02:27.08 | streuner_ | Anson: 2.6.18 is in etch (kernel) |
| 02:27.11 | JoshJ | Anson, the kernel in etch is 2.6.18, the debian version is 4.0 |
| 02:27.14 | Anson | because i install etch and it shows under uname -a version 2.6.18 |
| 02:27.16 | JoshJ | (or will be) |
| 02:27.23 | Anson | oh thank you |
| 02:27.32 | Anson | thank you very much |
| 02:28.23 | streuner_ | !tell Anson about search |
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| 02:28.44 | streuner_ | Anson: check out pdo (packages.debian.org) as well |
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| 02:30.27 | adrakoa | JoshJ: where should i ask? |
| 02:30.42 | streuner_ | StarWars: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:30.43 | JoshJ | here's fine , but i'm not really sure what your problem is |
| 02:30.59 | adrakoa | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/semantic |
| 02:31.11 | adrakoa | it says what it's now part of cedet |
| 02:31.21 | JoshJ | oh, you're on unstable |
| 02:31.29 | adrakoa | ah, yes sorry |
| 02:32.01 | JoshJ | do apt-cache search cedet |
| 02:32.06 | delire | what's the most likely cause for a "Feb 24 21:30:40 localhost kernel: usb 1-2: device not accepting address 11, error -71". a faulty device or dbus playing up? |
| 02:32.12 | JoshJ | and see if there's a cedet package |
| 02:32.22 | JoshJ | if not, just apt-get install semantic and let apt take care of the dependencies |
| 02:32.33 | adrakoa | yes i installed cedet-common |
| 02:32.50 | fausto | hi i have a problem with etch and php5 |
| 02:33.04 | fausto | i must run horde and i need php-pear |
| 02:33.21 | adrakoa | but jde needs cedet->contrib->semantic |
| 02:33.24 | fausto | i installed this package and i havent got any error of dependencies |
| 02:33.31 | streuner_ | "must run" - there are alternatives |
| 02:33.46 | fausto | i have safe_mode=on but the pear path in include_path |
| 02:34.01 | fausto | streuner_, no, i need horde.. sorry |
| 02:34.03 | adrakoa | JoshJ: jde -> cedet-contrib (the problem is here¿?) -> semantic |
| 02:34.09 | Anson | what are the http://'s in your sources.list called |
| 02:34.09 | JoshJ | oh |
| 02:34.12 | Anson | repo somthing |
| 02:34.15 | JoshJ | repositories |
| 02:34.16 | Anson | repository? |
| 02:34.17 | Anson | thank you |
| 02:34.18 | fausto | but horde tells me i havent pear |
| 02:34.25 | JoshJ | adrakoa, cedet-contrib is a separate package |
| 02:34.33 | fausto | can i have pear with php5? |
| 02:34.40 | streuner_ | fausto: < |
| 02:34.44 | streuner_ | fausto: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:34.55 | adrakoa | yes, but it uses semantic (it's now part of cedet-common) |
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| 02:35.01 | fausto | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 02:35.12 | JoshJ | hm |
| 02:35.20 | streuner_ | !info php-pear |
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| 02:35.23 | JoshJ | sounds like you've got a dependency issue |
| 02:35.27 | dpkg | php-pear: (PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8 (sid), Packaged size: 299 kB, Installed size: 2188 kB |
| 02:35.40 | Anson | does anyone know the repository for latest etch ati drivers |
| 02:35.45 | streuner_ | !info libc6 etch |
| 02:35.47 | JoshJ | unless i'm missing something, it seems like it wants a dependency which is no longer satistfiable |
| 02:35.51 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 4590 kB, Installed size: 11032 kB |
| 02:35.59 | adrakoa | JoshJ: perphaps i should download .deb and force.. |
| 02:36.01 | fausto | streuner_, i have that package installed yet |
| 02:36.04 | bouma | Dewi: it seems that dd_rescue does reverse, but has problems with its log file or something, i get bash errors from the script re:writing to +2 or +715 |
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| 02:36.15 | JoshJ | adrakoa, is there a standalone semantic package or no? |
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| 02:36.29 | adrakoa | JoshJ: now No |
| 02:36.30 | fausto | streuner_, can you tell me what is the right way... maybe i must recompile php5 --with-pear ? |
| 02:36.35 | JoshJ | hm :( |
| 02:36.42 | fausto | --with-pear=/usr/share/php |
| 02:36.53 | bouma | Dewi: whereas ddrescue doesnt do reverse, but does resume properly, although it still takes ages to respond to ctrl-c or kill |
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| 02:37.03 | adrakoa | when you download it, apt-get source semantic, it download cedet ... |
| 02:37.12 | fausto | :< |
| 02:37.26 | bouma | Dewi: and dd_rhelp only works with dd_rescue, and doesnt work for me |
| 02:37.39 | JoshJ | jde depends on cedet-contrib, which depends on semantic, and semantic is no longer a standalone package, but now a part of cedet, so you can't get jde? (i just want to make sure i've got all this right) |
| 02:37.50 | adrakoa | JoshJ: simplier i should change the makefile |
| 02:37.59 | adrakoa | of contrib.. |
| 02:38.14 | adrakoa | and send it to manteiner.. |
| 02:38.16 | bouma | Dewi: but ddrescue does adaptivelly avoid errors |
| 02:38.25 | bouma | Dewi: but ddrescue doesNT adaptivelly avoid errors (sorry) |
| 02:38.31 | Quintin | I want to put my output through something that will *cut* lines that contain a match, instead of show them |
| 02:38.32 | JoshJ | adrakoa, yeah, if it's a problem, telling the maintainer is definitely a good idea |
| 02:38.34 | Quintin | like opposite of grep |
| 02:38.36 | Quintin | any ideas? |
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| 02:38.51 | JoshJ | Quintin, do grep and negate the regexp |
| 02:38.59 | adrakoa | ok thx JoshJ, and sorry my english |
| 02:39.03 | Quintin | JoshJ: .. ? |
| 02:39.27 | Quintin | JoshJ: so foo | grep bar | grep <something> ? |
| 02:39.36 | JoshJ | grep ^[f]^[o]^[o] will get every line that doesn't have foo, though there's probably a better way to do it |
| 02:39.49 | streuner_ | fausto: did you read /usr/share/doc/<package> (horde and php-pear)? |
| 02:40.18 | fausto | mmm i'll read the php-pear docs |
| 02:40.21 | fausto | one moment |
| 02:40.39 | streuner_ | fausto: Usually in 'README.Debian' there are some hints about |
| 02:40.41 | Quintin | ooh here we go |
| 02:40.47 | Quintin | # grep -R About * | egrep -v geshi |
| 02:41.03 | fausto | ok thank you |
| 02:41.27 | JoshJ | ah |
| 02:41.39 | JoshJ | why am i not surprised there's a flag for it? |
| 02:41.58 | JoshJ | alternate slogan- "GNU: there's a flag for everything" |
| 02:42.30 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite JoshJ |
| 02:42.40 | streuner_ | sounds rather like this :-) |
| 02:42.44 | JoshJ | lol |
| 02:43.50 | Quintin | !gentoosmite Quintin |
| 02:43.57 | Quintin | pfft |
| 02:44.23 | theblue | !smite |
| 02:44.23 | dpkg | All good deities can Smite(tm) |
| 02:44.27 | theblue | !smite theblue |
| 02:44.30 | theblue | !smite theblue |
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| 02:44.43 | JoshJ | !lart theblue |
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| 02:45.13 | streuner_ | theblue: /msg dpkg listkeys smite ;-) |
| 02:46.24 | JoshJ | wait, everything it gives you in listkeys is a command? |
| 02:46.28 | streuner_ | Learn ALL of them and you have to be a SMITE Guru then ;-) |
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| 02:46.41 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys smite |
| 02:46.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'smite' by key (13 of 172): CMD: beersmite (.*?) ;; CMD: crappastesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: cshsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: darwinsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: geezersmite (.*?) ;; CMD: newbiesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: ritasmite (.*?) ;; CMD: rms-smite (.*?) ;; CMD: spelingsmite (.*?) ;; CMD: veggiesmite (.*?) ;; CMD: yorkshiresmite (.*?) ;; _default abrotmansmite ;; cmd: popesmite (.*?). |
| 02:46.51 | fausto | streuner_, i didn't found any interesting information |
| 02:46.56 | streuner_ | well, only 172 smites |
| 02:47.03 | fausto | only information about compatibility with other modules |
| 02:47.35 | fausto | and my apache starts correctly ( no incompatibility with other modules) |
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| 02:49.28 | JoshJ | ow, that is painful |
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| 02:49.35 | fausto | :< |
| 02:49.54 | JoshJ | !nvidia-installermsite whoever_can't_spell |
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| 02:52.17 | fausto | streuner_, have you got other hints to fix this problem |
| 02:52.18 | fausto | ? |
| 02:52.37 | theblue | Anyone know if there's a Debian/NSLU2 image that includes the proprietary Ethernet microcode and uses the RC1 installer, or is based off of the daily build (and includes the microcode)? |
| 02:52.56 | streuner_ | fausto: http://wiki.horde.org/FAQ/Admin/Troubleshoot?referrer=FAQ%2FAdmin |
| 02:53.10 | streuner_ | fausto: read the section about 'pear' |
| 02:53.27 | fausto | ok |
| 02:53.31 | fausto | thanks! |
| 02:53.32 | raf256 | !popesmite me |
| 02:53.46 | raf256 | !darwinsmite MacOS |
| 02:54.14 | raf256 | dpkg rsmsmite me |
| 02:54.21 | JoshJ | you can do that in pm if all you want to do is see what it says |
| 02:54.27 | theblue | !rms-smite me |
| 02:54.34 | theblue | I'm done, JoshJ. |
| 02:54.37 | raf256 | yes I wanted to typ /msg byt my finger slipped |
| 02:54.43 | JoshJ | np |
| 02:55.24 | acu01 | I want to setup a RAID 1 - I have two IDEs HDD in which I have the OS and two SCSI in which I intend /var - is any application - with GUI which can be used to setup the RAID? |
| 02:56.25 | delire | "The Free Software Song". shudder. |
| 02:56.53 | streuner_ | oh god |
| 02:57.16 | streuner_ | RMS is prolly better in writing software ;-) |
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| 02:57.43 | delire | i think that's a safe assumption. |
| 02:57.45 | JoshJ | considering that he was the guy that wrote emacs... |
| 02:58.33 | Azar | theblue: I doubt Debian will include any proprietary software on its releases |
| 02:58.33 | streuner_ | Who else, Bill? ;-) |
| 02:58.42 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:58.45 | theblue | Azar: Crap. |
| 02:58.59 | Azar | theblue: want to know why? |
| 02:59.04 | theblue | Azar: Policy? |
| 02:59.08 | delire | theblue: yes, there'll be no crap in Debian on release. |
| 02:59.21 | theblue | delire: I was wondering if anyone knew of the unofficial ones. |
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| 02:59.35 | theblue | The only ones that include the code that I can find are using the RC1 installer |
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| 03:00.08 | liable | whats wrong with the rc1 installer? |
| 03:00.17 | streuner_ | JoshH: there is only one guy who decide WHAT comes into emacs or not... |
| 03:00.17 | Azar | While most Linux distributions put the matter into the users' hands by not distributing MP3 technology with the core OS... read the article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070222-8910.html |
| 03:00.34 | Azar | that is just One example. |
| 03:00.51 | theblue | liable: It's broken. |
| 03:00.52 | streuner_ | JoshJ: ^^^ |
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| 03:01.08 | bouma | justin: i cant find anything that is a program rewrite of the script dd_rhelp |
| 03:01.14 | theblue | Azar: Nice one! |
| 03:01.18 | bouma | justin: the addrecover is just ddrecover |
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| 03:01.24 | acu01 | Can anyone give me a startup sugestion in a setup of a RAID 1 ? - I have two IDEs HDD in which I have the OS and two SCSI in which I intend /var - is any application - with GUI which can be used to setup the RAID? |
| 03:02.07 | Azar | theblue: basically Debian will not include any proprietary non-free software with the distribution, leaving the users to do whatever they want: install those on their own at their own risk |
| 03:02.21 | theblue | Azar: Understoof. |
| 03:02.25 | theblue | Azar: Understood, as well. |
| 03:02.47 | Azar | :) and there is another reason: to make ESR foam |
| 03:03.50 | Azar | anyways.... good evening honorables |
| 03:03.55 | delire | speaking of proprietary shenanegans: why would module-assistant build an fglrx.o (not fglrx.ko) and then drop it into a near useless /lib/modules/misc instead of a /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/char/drm? |
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| 03:04.30 | streuner_ | because every third party compiled module goes into misc? |
| 03:04.46 | Azar | :) |
| 03:05.05 | delire | shouldn't they do into /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/misc? |
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| 03:05.25 | streuner_ | delire: ah, sure, my mistake |
| 03:05.27 | delire | depmod has no idea that a /lib/modules/misc exists. |
| 03:05.45 | justin | acu01: the debian isntaller lets you setup raid |
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| 03:05.59 | Anson | streuner |
| 03:06.08 | streuner_ | Anson |
| 03:06.13 | delire | anyway, 2.6.18-4 is a super kernel. very pleased with the kernel image. |
| 03:06.23 | Anson | do you know how to get the fglrx repository |
| 03:06.28 | Anson | i think its the same as the nvidia |
| 03:06.33 | Anson | non free contrib |
| 03:07.01 | acu01 | justin: what should I choose when? - is it possible to set it up after Etch is installed ? |
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| 03:07.31 | beau | how do I associate drivers to my sound card? |
| 03:07.34 | justin | acu01: yes, but if you haven't installed it yet it is much easier to do it in the installer |
| 03:08.15 | streuner_ | !tell beau about hcl |
| 03:08.16 | theblue | Azar: Here's my problem: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00011.html |
| 03:08.23 | streuner_ | Anson: try /msg dpkg ati |
| 03:08.24 | acu01 | justin: I will start again - but the step is when you configure the harddisks - do I need to choose expert ? |
| 03:08.39 | justin | acu01: no, you can do it in the normal mode |
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| 03:09.31 | acu01 | thanks - I have to quit so I can reinstall - I wish it was a way to do it not trough install |
| 03:10.15 | streuner_ | Azar: are all geeks don't sleep at night in spain? ;-) |
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| 03:10.52 | harley | Ugg i'm cold. |
| 03:11.10 | squisher | So wear something warmer? |
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| 03:11.39 | squisher | Does anyone here know anything about softpedia? |
| 03:11.53 | squisher | Are they just spidering freshmeat, or what? |
| 03:11.56 | Anson | streuner do you know the non free contrib for debian |
| 03:12.04 | donham | which one for vpn, tinc, openvpn, openswan...? |
| 03:12.19 | streuner_ | Anson: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 03:12.36 | streuner_ | Anson: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 03:13.09 | streuner_ | Anson: why do you ask? You don't have those lines in sources.list? |
| 03:13.34 | Azar | streuner_: :) huh? |
| 03:14.03 | streuner_ | well, you are mostly at this time awake |
| 03:14.10 | streuner_ | still+ |
| 03:14.10 | donham | vpn, anyone? |
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| 03:14.37 | squisher | donham: so what exactly is your question? |
| 03:14.45 | Azar | theblue: I read that announcement last week |
| 03:15.00 | Azar | theblue: ask dpkg for key /msg dpkg no key |
| 03:15.00 | theblue | Azar: That's why I can't use RC1 on the slug. |
| 03:15.30 | donham | squisher, which one for vpn, tinc, openvpn, openswan...? |
| 03:15.34 | theblue | It does nothing, Azar. |
| 03:15.39 | Azar | streuner_: I just came back from work :) indulging like one hour around then off to bed |
| 03:15.41 | theblue | And even so, how would I use it? |
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| 03:15.56 | theblue | Ah, thanks! |
| 03:15.58 | Azar | theblue: dpkg did not tell you? |
| 03:16.04 | theblue | You don't type the 'no'. |
| 03:16.11 | Azar | no, beer dpkg I didn't know without it |
| 03:16.31 | donham | squisher, heh? |
| 03:16.33 | Azar | dpkg have a beer |
| 03:16.37 | squisher | donham: I still don't understand what you mean... i.e. openvpn is packaged as 'openvpn', so just apt-get install it (don't know much about other vpns). |
| 03:16.38 | delire | squisher: softpedia pretty much spider downloads.com and zdnet. they have some of my software there, software they grabbed from downloads.com who in turn, grabbed it from someone else. |
| 03:16.46 | theblue | But this is for a new install, it'd download everything from the network, and it'd have to use the key. |
| 03:16.57 | theblue | And I couldn't get to a command line. |
| 03:17.28 | Azar | so you guys read about our first Open Bios? AMD, Gigabyte Release Source-Code for Mainboards BIOS |
| 03:17.28 | squisher | delire: weird, isn't it'? And they are very good in tricking google, I can't imagine that it really is more popular than freshmeat... |
| 03:17.29 | Kervan | Hi. I am downloading ftp://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian-cd/stable/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r5-i386-binary-14.iso for installation to standart i386 family computer. But i want to underdstand what is the difference with binary-13.iso binary-14.iso and the others? |
| 03:17.32 | donham | squisher, you are squashed. :D |
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| 03:17.53 | Azar | GPLed and everything |
| 03:18.12 | squisher | Azar: really? That sounds neat |
| 03:18.17 | delire | squisher: yes very. they piss me off - especially in that you can't directly update software that people are downloading from them as they only listen to upstream, which are similarly closed for contact. |
| 03:18.30 | Azar | yep: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20070223145912.html |
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| 03:18.58 | delire | Azar: nice one. |
| 03:19.09 | streuner_ | Azar: i thought you are at the uni? |
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| 03:19.18 | squisher | delire: yeah, seems like a rip-off. Weird, I was googling on the topic, but couldn't find anything... and I've seen so many softpedia links lately |
| 03:19.23 | jetscreamer | how do i use --move or --bind in fstab |
| 03:19.33 | chafe | does anyone succesfully use an IPOD with linux? |
| 03:19.47 | jetscreamer | chafe yes |
| 03:19.55 | Azar | streuner_: no, I am a hard working one :) |
| 03:19.59 | chafe | did you use GTKPod? |
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| 03:20.02 | streuner_ | Azar: hehe |
| 03:20.03 | Redhatter | jetscreamer, /original/dir /mount/point none bind 0 0 |
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| 03:20.19 | jetscreamer | thank you Redhatter |
| 03:20.21 | delire | Azar: congrats. this is 'heart warming' stuff ;) |
| 03:20.35 | jetscreamer | chafe: i don't own an ipod and don't want one, just yes ppl have |
| 03:21.06 | deadcat | chafe: ya. just stick the thing in and BAM!!! |
| 03:21.19 | chafe | deadcat no |
| 03:21.46 | delire | chafe: many use gtkpod or amarok i believe. |
| 03:21.59 | Redhatter | apt-get source my-dream-pc |
| 03:22.01 | squisher | chafe: I recommend amarok, gtkpod can't initialize ipods |
| 03:22.08 | jetscreamer | hmmm mount: unknown filesystem type 'none' |
| 03:22.15 | jetscreamer | but better |
| 03:22.15 | Azar | streuner_: a numbers job: accounting |
| 03:22.19 | chafe | squisher o rly |
| 03:22.19 | chafe | '/media/ipod/iPod_Control/iTunes/iTunesDB' does not exist. Import aborted. |
| 03:22.28 | squisher | chafe: Exactly :-) |
| 03:22.38 | Redhatter | jetscreamer, In all seriousness, I'd just use /etc/rc.local for that. |
| 03:22.44 | streuner_ | Azar: if somebody would told you at the beginning of Linux, there that much software actually you prolly say to them, "You're insane"... |
| 03:23.25 | Azar | streuner_: it grows so fast, it gonna become from a bubble to a huge zeppelin |
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| 03:24.00 | jetscreamer | Redhatter: i got that when i replaced 'bind' with 'move' ... but 'bind' worked just fine.. thanks. |
| 03:24.09 | chafe | streuner_ what? |
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| 03:24.27 | Quintin | so uh |
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| 03:24.30 | streuner_ | hm |
| 03:24.32 | Quintin | can I have a regular file in /etc/fstab ? |
| 03:24.50 | squisher | Quintin: why would you want that? |
| 03:25.04 | Quintin | squisher: that doesn't matter, now does it. |
| 03:25.05 | jetscreamer | Quintin: i think 'yes' |
| 03:25.14 | delire | Azar: i'm really pleased with the 2.6.18-4. upgraded it last night, wireless performance has improved, as has boot time, among other things. |
| 03:25.18 | Azar | "The need for a Free BIOS is even more pressing since DRM and Treacherous Computing have found their way into some proprietary BIOSes and EFI." <<< EXACTLY why I wanted one |
| 03:25.20 | Quintin | /root/swapfile none swap sw 0 0 is that not correct? |
| 03:25.26 | delire | s/it/to\ it/ |
| 03:25.27 | jetscreamer | Quintin: man mount and man fstab |
| 03:25.28 | squisher | Quintin: Just trying to get some details to be able to help, you know? ;-) |
| 03:25.31 | Muisje | How can i find out which version of a apt-get package i'm currently using? |
| 03:25.39 | Quintin | squisher: want to mount a swapfile automatically |
| 03:25.45 | delire | Muisje: dpkg -l | grep packagename |
| 03:25.52 | jetscreamer | #/opt/swapfile none swap sw 0 0 |
| 03:26.07 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l maybe Muisje |
| 03:26.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching maybe Muisje |
| 03:26.15 | Azar | delire: personally I could care less if is a 2.6.8 or 2.6.18... for my needs, I just wanted to see if I get hardships with it. Nope, everything goes normal as it should be. |
| 03:26.26 | jetscreamer | Quintin: so yes that's correct |
| 03:27.18 | delire | Azar: i upgraded to try to improve bluetooth support, as i'm developing with bluetooth currently. |
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| 03:27.31 | hark | Muisje: man apt-get |
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| 03:27.54 | valiant | question: after my dist-upgrade, emacs won't start anymore. i get this error: "X protocol error: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) on protocol request 45". note: firefox (another graphical app) starts without problems. |
| 03:28.10 | Azar | delire: well you guys use lots of stuff that I personally don't and I guess is imperative to "have" the newest kernel there |
| 03:28.17 | linux2 | what file can i use to add modules i want to load at boot? |
| 03:28.25 | linux2 | im not sure what it is in debian etch |
| 03:28.28 | valiant | google doesn't yield much (another debian user had the same error after an upgrade about a year ago) |
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| 03:28.40 | theblue | linux2: Was it Vista or XP that caused your troubles? |
| 03:28.50 | delire | Azar: yes it has been like this for me the last few years. |
| 03:28.53 | jetscreamer | Quintin: you do have to mkswap -v1 /path/to/newswapfile |
| 03:28.58 | Quintin | jetscreamer: http://daecom.biz/paste/?q=20 |
| 03:28.59 | linux2 | theblue: whats that question about? |
| 03:29.01 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 03:29.01 | Nighteye | hello |
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| 03:29.04 | Nighteye | fun |
| 03:29.08 | theblue | linux2: You had some trouble a few days ago, did you solve it? |
| 03:29.09 | cokeslut | that's a secret |
| 03:29.24 | Quintin | doh, typo I think... just a sec |
| 03:29.24 | linux2 | theblue: i never used vista or XP |
| 03:29.30 | Muisje | dpkg -l php4 |
| 03:29.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching php4 |
| 03:29.34 | theblue | linux2: I must be thinking of someone else, then. |
| 03:29.41 | Muisje | sure |
| 03:29.43 | jetscreamer | Quintin: swapon -s |
| 03:29.51 | linux2 | theblue: im trying to get a wireless card to load up at boot... as in the module and how i can get knetworkmanager to load at the start of kde |
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| 03:29.57 | Azar | valiant: because one does not just do "apt-get dist upgrade" and expects magic. Read http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html << BEFORE you dist-upgrade |
| 03:30.01 | xixor | yo |
| 03:30.10 | theblue | linux2: Either you're not who I'm thinking of, or it was someone else with your nick. |
| 03:30.17 | Quintin | jetscreamer: I want it to go from fstab, I don't want to mount it manually |
| 03:30.17 | valiant | Azar: i'm not complaining |
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| 03:30.27 | Azar | valiant: sorry, I got carried out |
| 03:30.33 | Azar | too many people do same mistake |
| 03:30.41 | jetscreamer | Quintin: -s lists mounted swaps |
| 03:30.49 | jetscreamer | Quintin: -a mounts them |
| 03:30.54 | jetscreamer | swapon -s |
| 03:30.55 | linux2 | theblue: possible |
| 03:31.04 | linux2 | theblue: couldn't have been me |
| 03:31.15 | linux2 | although i am registered to this nick |
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| 03:31.36 | jetscreamer | Quintin: i have the line i pasted in my fstab, it works fine. |
| 03:32.03 | jetscreamer | Quintin: it seems the same as yours cept for /root vs /opt... so it's not the line, imo |
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| 03:33.30 | valiant | Azar: thanks for the link though. i thought i could just do a dist-upgrade... |
| 03:33.53 | Quintin | jetscreamer: mm mI see now. thanks! |
| 03:34.02 | valiant | things are working, i just wonder what's wrong with emacs/xorg and why other graphical apps work fine |
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| 03:38.26 | deadcat | hmm... when i do a <?php system("id"); ?> via domain.com/~deadcat it returns www-data. then when i system("killall apache"); and it dies.. what the f. what do i do? |
| 03:39.13 | Azar | valiant: just for kicks before you try to do a major move, look for the documentation to see what could happen.. |
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| 03:39.54 | Azar | valiant: some things change when you up to the next version |
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| 03:40.27 | delire | valiant: try purging Emacs and removing any dotfiles and dot-directories, then reinstall it? |
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| 03:40.46 | delire | s/removing/moving |
| 03:41.23 | shwag | how can I view the contents of a .deb file ? |
| 03:42.27 | deadcat | shwag: what i do is extract it first. but i bet theres an option in dpkg |
| 03:43.12 | liable | dpkg -c or -x |
| 03:43.13 | dpkg | drwxr-xr-x root/root 5581 2004-8-04 13:41:03 ./usr/share/or -x/pr0n/mitsumi_max.png |
| 03:43.13 | delire | shwag: just dpkg --contents some.deb |
| 03:43.18 | shwag | deadcat: how do i extract? i tried tar |
| 03:43.37 | deadcat | shwag: dpkg -x deb.deb /tmp/deb |
| 03:43.44 | delire | shwag: man dpkg is very helpful. it's all in there. |
| 03:43.48 | shwag | ok |
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| 03:48.14 | ACU01 | Brothers and Sisters I need help: I have just used the Debian installer Etch to create a RAID 1 however I realized that I could made the RAID1 Device #0 bigger - but I cannot erase it anymore any hint ? |
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| 03:51.49 | liable | ACU01: ersase it? resize it? are you still in the installer or os this after? |
| 03:52.03 | liable | erase |
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| 03:53.03 | ACU01 | liable: I cannot erase it (the device #0 RAID1 is now as a physical DISK)) |
| 03:53.04 | Anson | what do you run for debian to detect your mouse? |
| 03:53.44 | ACU01 | Anson: when ? during installation? |
| 03:54.08 | Anson | no after |
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| 03:54.18 | Anson | i try to run gnome but it wont go because no mouse is detected.. i just put one in |
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| 03:55.01 | Anson | is xfree86 just for nvidia |
| 03:55.35 | linux2 | Anson: run as root modprobe usbmouse |
| 03:55.38 | acc_ | I've got 2 Debian boxes: one with a fresh Etch install, and the other was upgraded from Sarge to Etch. Executing "fc-list | wc -l" on each gives different numbers, even though they both have (AFAICT) identical font packages installed (this has been verified by eyeballing "dpkg -l" and running "du -s"). The latter installation (Sarge->Etch) is the one that appears to be missing fonts. Any ideas how I could address this? Thanks. |
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| 03:55.51 | linux2 | Anson: and modprobe devmouse |
| 03:56.00 | liable | mousedev |
| 03:56.11 | linux2 | liable: yeah, i thought i had it wrong |
| 03:56.18 | linux2 | thanks for that correction |
| 03:56.19 | Anson | devmouse not found |
| 03:56.24 | Anson | ah |
| 03:56.31 | linux2 | sorry bout that |
| 03:56.58 | liable | linux2: we all suffer a little dyslexia every once in a while :) |
| 03:57.03 | Azar | acc_: it was said somewhere that those who upgrade from Sarge > to Etch / as opposed to fresh install will miss some features.. |
| 03:57.18 | Azar | ... that could be installed separately |
| 03:57.32 | linux2 | liable: lol. isn't that true |
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| 03:57.37 | Anson | that worked linux2 thanks |
| 03:57.45 | linux2 | Anson: well your not done yet |
| 03:57.51 | Anson | no? |
| 03:57.54 | netdaemon | anyone know how i can add gtk themes to xfce? |
| 03:58.02 | linux2 | you need to tell debian to load that at boot, otherwise you will have to hand enter it each time your reboot |
| 03:58.24 | acc_ | Azar: You're saying that this could be resolved by comparing the .debs on each machine and bringing the upgraded one up to date? |
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| 03:58.48 | Anson | hwo do i do that |
| 03:59.08 | Azar | acc_: the Etch installer brings new things (not sure which, since I did not installed) that the upgrade will not have |
| 03:59.11 | linux2 | Anson: hang on one sec. the file layout of debian got changed so im looking for it. just give me one sec |
| 03:59.28 | Anson | kk |
| 04:00.05 | acc_ | Azar: hmm, okay thanks |
| 04:00.22 | Anson | do i use xfree86 with ati drivers? |
| 04:00.50 | liable | acc_: run 'dpkg --get-selections > file.txt' on both boxen an diff the files |
| 04:00.52 | linux2 | Anson: you would need to use xorg for that |
| 04:01.05 | linux2 | Anson: on edit the file /etc/modules as root |
| 04:01.12 | Anson | ok one second |
| 04:01.15 | linux2 | and add mousedev to it |
| 04:01.17 | linux2 | k |
| 04:01.48 | Anson | do i just add modprobe usbmouse? |
| 04:01.53 | Anson | or just usbmouse? |
| 04:02.05 | acc_ | liable: thanks |
| 04:02.10 | linux2 | usbmouse and mousedev |
| 04:02.16 | linux2 | both on separate lines |
| 04:02.26 | linux2 | without the modprobe in front of it |
| 04:02.26 | Anson | is mousedev for ps2 only |
| 04:02.29 | Anson | i think i might be |
| 04:02.40 | linux2 | im not exactly sure about that |
| 04:02.40 | Anson | i have somthing in there that says psmouse.. should i take that out? |
| 04:02.54 | linux2 | Anson: no, you can leave it in there |
| 04:03.13 | Anson | dpkg-reconfigure xorg? |
| 04:03.38 | Anson | how do i edit xorg |
| 04:03.50 | eisen_ | often trying to start without any xorg.conf at all works |
| 04:03.54 | liable | !drxx acc_ |
| 04:03.54 | dpkg | acc_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:03.59 | eisen_ | strange as it may seem |
| 04:04.33 | Anson | thank you it worked |
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| 04:05.32 | acc_ | liable: thanks again |
| 04:05.36 | linux2 | Anson: np |
| 04:05.41 | liable | acc_: np |
| 04:06.00 | liable | acc_: oops, that dpkg wasnt for you |
| 04:06.07 | linux2 | Anson: you gotta edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:06.13 | acc_ | liable: heh, ok |
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| 04:06.26 | Anson | thank you |
| 04:06.39 | chronographer | hi all anybody know where to go to find out some things about virtualbox? |
| 04:06.48 | Anson | i keep getting a udev failed |
| 04:06.49 | chronographer | like sharing folders into it? |
| 04:06.53 | Anson | do you know what this means linux2 |
| 04:07.11 | linux2 | Anson: can you place it into context? |
| 04:07.13 | Azar | acc_: after upgrading to Etch did you tried to use "aptitude" command? |
| 04:07.35 | Anson | when the computer starts up.. it says the udev requires a kernel version |
| 04:07.42 | Azar | ..before, during and after .. ? |
| 04:07.57 | acc_ | Azar: I don't think so. I usually stick to Synaptic, but I *might* have used aptitude once or twice. |
| 04:08.23 | Azar | acc_: not sure but aptitude could bring you the packages you seem missing, and relatives |
| 04:08.23 | linux2 | Anson: type dmesg | grep udev and see if you can find the error line in there |
| 04:08.54 | delire | acc_: aptitude supposedly offers 'intelligent' weighted depdendency resolution. i've had some success with it in the rare case of a clash. |
| 04:08.58 | Azar | acc_: aptitude update / aptitud upgrade |
| 04:08.58 | Anson | no error |
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| 04:09.17 | acc_ | Azar: trying it now |
| 04:09.21 | Azar | delire: is callied "cleaning the house" :) |
| 04:09.30 | delire | ;) |
| 04:09.57 | linux2 | Anson: well from what i can tell you shouldn't worry about it |
| 04:10.10 | linux2 | Anson: possibly try running apt-get upgrade |
| 04:10.17 | Azar | damn! I can't wait for the official Etch CD to come out |
| 04:10.17 | acc_ | 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 126 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 04:10.25 | linux2 | or apt-get install linux-image-2.6-486 to upgrade your kernel to a later one |
| 04:10.33 | Azar | acc_: good, is time to clean your stuff |
| 04:10.33 | acc_ | That's a lot of removals. |
| 04:10.37 | Azar | wait |
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| 04:11.13 | Azar | read this for your peace of mind: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 04:11.33 | Azar | the dist-upgrade itself is performed with "aptitude" for that reason |
| 04:11.40 | liable | acc_: purge aptitude and reinstall, then try again |
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| 04:11.57 | Azar | yea liable is right you might need the "new" aptitude |
| 04:12.38 | Anson | how do i check my xorg version |
| 04:12.41 | Azar | on the Etch upgrade documentation says too that you need to install a fresh "aptitude" and use it |
| 04:12.45 | acc_ | liable: apt-get remove --purge aptitude && apt-get install aptitude ? |
| 04:13.08 | Azar | hmmmm the way I read was "aptitude install aptitude" |
| 04:13.16 | liable | acc_: yeah |
| 04:13.37 | Azar | doesn't aptitude install aptitude replace the old one? |
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| 04:13.54 | Linuxhater101 | Hi. |
| 04:13.57 | acc_ | liable: done, didn't see a fetch though. I'm at 0.4.4-1 |
| 04:14.16 | acc_ | Azar: thanks for the link |
| 04:14.21 | Linuxhater101 | Like my name? |
| 04:14.27 | liable | acc_: thats ok, i just wanted to see if it still wants to remove all those packages now |
| 04:14.29 | Azar | acc_: n/p |
| 04:14.38 | Linuxhater101 | :) |
| 04:14.43 | Linuxhater101 | Linuxhater101 |
| 04:14.45 | linux2 | Anson: 7.1.0-12 |
| 04:14.45 | Rusty1 | Anson apt-cache policy xserver-xorg |
| 04:14.53 | linux2 | if you are using the latest debian etch one then thats it |
| 04:15.00 | acc_ | liable: 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 04:15.00 | comsa | wats in a name :) |
| 04:15.02 | Linuxhater101 | Speak English you nerds. |
| 04:15.09 | Azar | !ops Linuxhater101 |
| 04:15.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: azar complains about: Linuxhater101 |
| 04:15.11 | liable | acc_: good |
| 04:15.30 | acc_ | I did run an apt-get upgrade after changing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:15.32 | Linuxhater101 | Go watch lord of the rings you nerds. |
| 04:15.44 | Linuxhater101 | Go screw a duck. |
| 04:16.00 | liable | acc_: mixing apt-get and aptitude will give you problems sometimes |
| 04:16.09 | Azar | acc_: try using aptitude only |
| 04:16.15 | Linuxhater101 | What the hell???? |
| 04:16.29 | liable | Bhaal: ping |
| 04:16.40 | theblue | Linuxhater101: What's your problem? |
| 04:16.48 | acc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.54 | linux2 | Linuxhater101: yeah, whats your problem? |
| 04:16.55 | Azar | yep use /ignore |
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| 04:17.02 | Linuxhater101 | your mama bitches she costs to much |
| 04:17.14 | linux2 | Azar: if i do that i miss out on reading his randomness |
| 04:17.31 | Azar | linux2: let's just stick with our stuff.. /ignore him |
| 04:17.34 | acc_ | aptitude upgrade completed |
| 04:17.35 | Linuxhater101 | you are all gay or what linux is for fags |
| 04:17.37 | theblue | Linuxhater101: You hate Linux, and you joined a channel devoted to those helping others use linux. |
| 04:17.39 | centrx | Linuxhater101 that doesn't even make sense |
| 04:17.44 | acc_ | Interestingly, it didn't seem to upgrade any font-related packages. |
| 04:17.47 | Linuxhater101 | go to a spelling bee loozers |
| 04:17.48 | theblue | Linuxhater101: And judging from a /whois, this is the only channel you're in. |
| 04:17.52 | centrx | why would someone bitch about costing too much |
| 04:17.54 | linux2 | lol. yeah Linuxhater101 it doesn't really make sense |
| 04:17.59 | Anson | do i have to install specific drivers for my wireless network card? |
| 04:18.03 | Lord_Devi | I am having problems with libdvdread, whether I use xine/mplayer/vlc or whatever. I get thisibdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c", errors. I don't suppose anyone might have any ideas? |
| 04:18.03 | theblue | Linuxhater101: It's almost as if you connect to Freenode just to troll here.... |
| 04:18.03 | Azar | acc_: did you use aptitude update first? |
| 04:18.05 | centrx | wouldn't they want to cost a lot? that means she makes more money |
| 04:18.08 | acc_ | Azar: yes |
| 04:18.15 | liable | dont feed the troll |
| 04:18.17 | Linuxhater101 | your mom costs alot |
| 04:18.19 | theblue | liable: Pardon me. |
| 04:18.26 | chronographer | linux hater has a small penis and tries to compensate by harrassing the normal ppl |
| 04:18.28 | centrx | Linuxhater101 yours doesn't |
| 04:18.33 | chronographer | with large penisis |
| 04:18.33 | Linuxhater101 | Yuo heard me. |
| 04:18.38 | Linuxhater101 | I have one. |
| 04:18.42 | chronographer | a small one |
| 04:18.42 | Linuxhater101 | Your mom has one too |
| 04:18.43 | theblue | But not a big one. |
| 04:18.54 | linux2 | rofl |
| 04:18.55 | chronographer | my mom has a larger one than you |
| 04:19.00 | Linuxhater101 | Bigger than yours will ever grow too |
| 04:19.05 | centrx | fascinating |
| 04:19.08 | theblue | But even so, my mom smacked you around for a while with her's. |
| 04:19.10 | Azar | !ops Linuxhater101 trolls |
| 04:19.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: azar complains about: Linuxhater101 trolls |
| 04:19.14 | acc_ | Azar: Going to try liable's suggestion of diff'ing my selections. Thanks for the help all. |
| 04:19.22 | Azar | ok |
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| 04:19.24 | chronographer | my mother would place her large throbbing penis in your rectum till you squeal in pleasure, now LEAVE |
| 04:19.28 | theblue | Bugger it, /ignore Linuxhater101 |
| 04:19.40 | liable | chronographer: stop it, your as bad as him |
| 04:19.43 | centrx | well then |
| 04:19.59 | Azar | thanks LoRez |
| 04:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ylknnt183-119.theedge.ca] by LoRez |
| 04:20.20 | centrx | "requested by" is that the new terminology for "kicked by" ? |
| 04:20.33 | Azar | guys if you want to entertain a troll do it on another channel |
| 04:20.34 | theblue | Much obliged, LoRez. |
| 04:20.47 | theblue | Noted. |
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| 04:21.01 | linux2 | lol |
| 04:21.14 | theblue | Heh, after he got banned, he quit Freenode. |
| 04:21.31 | theblue | Guess he's just trying to piss us off, and that's it. |
| 04:21.40 | linux2 | this channel used to always be filled with trolls |
| 04:21.55 | Azar | oh is Saturday > Sunday the tards day |
| 04:22.00 | Lord_Devi | Right now I wish it was filled with people who knew how to fix my libdvdread problem :( |
| 04:22.32 | Azar | Lord_Devi: does not have a documentation somewhere on the net? |
| 04:23.02 | Lord_Devi | Azar: I have searched and searched, google web, google news, linuxquestions.. everywhere I could find :( I can't find any sort of fix |
| 04:23.05 | Lord_Devi | or even what is wrong |
| 04:23.14 | Lord_Devi | err google groups rather, not news |
| 04:23.40 | Azar | Lord_Devi: do you know the name of your DVD device? maybe doing "MyDVDname on Debian" will bring you something |
| 04:23.49 | Anson | were do you configure your netwrok cards in linux gnome |
| 04:24.25 | Lord_Devi | Azar: Hrm. I know what the DEVICE is.. hdc. Another point btw, is when I try to play dvd's with it. libdvdread isn't the only error. I get some odd seek errors in my syslog as well |
| 04:24.43 | Lord_Devi | Azar: however. I know the device is perfectly fine, and works everywhere else and under any other circumstances.. |
| 04:25.03 | Azar | Lord_Devi: no, I ment let's say for example "Sony DVD456 on Debian" and maybe you find others who fixed that stuff |
| 04:25.22 | Lord_Devi | Oh oh! I see |
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| 04:25.56 | Lord_Devi | Well I would, but honestly that's a last resort. I'm convinced it's just a packaging issue, not a hardware one. |
| 04:26.48 | Azar | Lord_Devi: drivers are said to be usually full of bugs and not fixed because they don't share the source with free software... but workarounds are found by some .. |
| 04:27.10 | adrakoa | apt search the depends packages in debian/control, isn't it? |
| 04:27.14 | liable | Anson: install network-manager |
| 04:27.15 | linux2 | Anson: wish i could help but i don't know since i use KDE. im pretty sure its in one of the drop down menus at the top |
| 04:27.25 | Azar | the DVD driver might be not as good as you would think |
| 04:27.36 | eisen_ | I get seek errors with some dvds all the time. Alas they still plays fine (some stuttering happens though) |
| 04:28.08 | Lord_Devi | Azar: I've had this working before with the linux kernel driver though. Just not in debian etch.. |
| 04:28.10 | eisen_ | I'm stuck with that crappy LG drive until they stop replacing it. |
| 04:28.24 | Azar | I am usually get "older" DVDs on my boxes just to be on the safe side... devices that have their drivers "fixed" |
| 04:28.38 | janrocks | Lord_Devi: do you have dvd::rip installed |
| 04:28.45 | eisen_ | disabling dma rectifies it as a side note. Not what one would usually want though. It may also be a cable issue. |
| 04:28.55 | Lord_Devi | janrocks: I don't think so. |
| 04:29.08 | Azar | ... not to speak for the "newest DVDs" who carry DRM restrictions :) |
| 04:29.30 | janrocks | i was wondering because it fixed my dvd issues |
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| 04:29.55 | Lord_Devi | janrocks: was that just the dvdrip package? |
| 04:30.03 | Lord_Devi | Azar: Oh god. DRM! .. :( |
| 04:30.11 | janrocks | yes..it installed lsdvd and a few other things too |
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| 04:30.48 | Lord_Devi | janrocks: I'll give it a try =) Thanks |
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| 04:31.08 | janrocks | and check out..hmm lib-decss or something |
| 04:31.24 | Azar | Lord_Devi: usually the newest DVDs are very good looking the box carries lots of good words about it, it cost you usually more than a 2 year old DVD but it will never tell you that it might be "made for MSWindows with a DRM included" (at no extra cost) |
| 04:31.46 | janrocks | i run a nec burner |
| 04:31.59 | Azar | I am a plextor fan |
| 04:32.06 | Rusty1 | is it a libdvdcss issue perhaps? |
| 04:32.20 | janrocks | could be |
| 04:33.07 | janrocks | that was the name I was looking for:;thanmks |
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| 04:33.16 | Lord_Devi | Plextor is the best |
| 04:33.18 | eisen_ | what I like about LG burners is that they fail just before the end of the warranty period :] |
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| 04:33.36 | Lord_Devi | Rusty1: I installed libdvdcss in an attempt to fix it. But i think it was unrelated, as it didn't help |
| 04:33.59 | knight | hi why cant i include conio.h in gcc? |
| 04:34.06 | Lord_Devi | Ack, well dvdrip didn't help :( |
| 04:34.18 | Azar | cuz is not C? |
| 04:34.22 | Lord_Devi | I think it's a result of my uninstalling gnome.. I think something maybe got uninstalled that shouldn't hve |
| 04:34.27 | Azar | :) is some C surogate? |
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| 04:35.26 | Azar | knight: joking |
| 04:35.35 | knight | :) |
| 04:35.58 | Azar | I guess is C++ of some sort |
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| 04:36.56 | knight | Azar, but is it possible to use the functions defined in conio.h in gcc? |
| 04:36.58 | delire | eisen_: you have to admire that sort of dependability. reminds me of the strange 2 year + 1 week 'cracked motherboard' problem that affected so many iBook users. |
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| 04:37.53 | eisen_ | delire: yes, and what's even more amazing is that each replacement is an upgrade ;-) |
| 04:38.01 | delire | eisen_: hehe precisely. |
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| 04:38.29 | Azar | knight: I am so sorry, I have no idea since on my C learning travels I haven't seen conio.h yet... as I recall a friend who tried to show me C++ had that stuff on his code |
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| 04:39.30 | eisen_ | delire: same thing why I like wd. I have one disk that has been replaced 3 times already. About doubles the capacity each time :P |
| 04:40.39 | Azar | knight: maybe you mean stdio.h? |
| 04:40.44 | eisen_ | conio.h is pure C |
| 04:41.11 | janrocks | Lord_Devi:: also can't find anything.. possibly try VLC player. It does seem to be css related |
| 04:41.14 | Azar | eisen_: there you are! I am only on the 1st grade on C |
| 04:42.00 | Anson | how do you configure network-manager after you apt-get install it |
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| 04:42.57 | hark | Anson: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 04:43.21 | Lord_Devi | janrocks: Oh you looked for me? Thanks man. I have tried vlc however.. And it gives the exact same error as mplayer. some libdvdread crud.. |
| 04:43.56 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: maybe your disc or drive is defective then |
| 04:44.01 | Lord_Devi | janrocks: I'm toying with the idea of just reinstalling the related .debs.. but *sigh*, I don't know why that would do anything. I'm just gettin desperate |
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| 04:44.17 | Azar | eisen_: wiki say: conio.h is a header file used in old MS-DOS compilers, however, it is not part of the C programming language, the C standard library, ISO C or by POSIX. |
| 04:44.24 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Works fine in windows for everything, and in my last etch install as well.. |
| 04:44.39 | Azar | so my book was not showing this header file for a reason |
| 04:44.45 | Lord_Devi | I'm sure it's a package that just got removed that I need or something.. |
| 04:44.47 | eisen_ | Azar: yeah, I should have mentioned that also, but he already left it seems :P |
| 04:45.02 | Azar | so how you say is pure C? |
| 04:45.10 | eisen_ | well it's C |
| 04:45.22 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: see this bug report? - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=221512 |
| 04:45.27 | eisen_ | not C++ that is |
| 04:45.30 | Azar | is not part of C programming language maybe some C surogate |
| 04:45.45 | Rusty1 | http://www.boutell.com/lsm/lsmbyid.cgi/001130 FWIW |
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| 04:46.22 | Quintin | I keep getting invalid certificate errors with firefox ... wtf? :-S |
| 04:46.47 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: I'll have a look.. one sec |
| 04:46.48 | Anson | how do you run network manager |
| 04:46.51 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: what do you see in your syslogs at time of failure? |
| 04:46.51 | Kervan | which release debian is too new 3.1_r5 or current ? ftp://ftp.tr.debian.org/debian-cd/stable/ |
| 04:46.52 | eisen_ | Azar: yeah. You were right about that. |
| 04:47.16 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: this guy was getting I/O errors on hdc in syslogs at the time he was trying to play the DVD - http://mailman.linux-thinkpad.org/pipermail/linux-thinkpad/2006-January/031848.html |
| 04:47.21 | Azar | eisen_: As originally implemented in Microsoft's Visual C++ the various functions mapped directly to the first few DOS int 21h functions." << so will never work on *nix |
| 04:47.43 | Azar | !beer memememe |
| 04:47.45 | hark | eisen_: it's DOS specific.. not ANSI C |
| 04:48.07 | Rusty1 | Anson: try sudo netcardconfig |
| 04:48.11 | Azar | eisen_: thanks you know I feel good that the C book does not bullshit me |
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| 04:48.46 | hark | Rusty1: he's using network-manager .. that won't help |
| 04:48.50 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 04:48.53 | Dewi | Azar: my C book is usually honest, but brutally so. No tact whatsoever; I think even that it has a bit of a mean streak. Sometimes it reduces me to tears with its jeering... |
| 04:49.13 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Yeah I mentioned that earlier. I found that post and I have the exact same issue. For some reason my debian install produces the same errors, however like the guy in that last post as well, the same dvd's work perfectly fine in windows.. |
| 04:49.16 | eisen_ | azeta: I just remember conio from the old days. |
| 04:49.31 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Even though I get seek errors. I know it is not the hardware.. it is still some odd software related issue |
| 04:49.33 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: right, but are you getting those I/O errors from hdc? |
| 04:49.43 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: (or whatever ide your drive is on) |
| 04:49.50 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Yeah I am. Yeah mine is also hdc |
| 04:50.11 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: nothing the userland dvd stuff does should be able to trigger I/O errors from a block device in your syslog |
| 04:50.27 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: that is strictly the domain of either a hardware problem or an ide kernel bug |
| 04:50.33 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: and ide is... well, pretty mature |
| 04:50.34 | Rusty1 | hark he's working from the cli, and since used apt-get to install network manager (rather than synaptic) he prolly cant see it gnome |
| 04:50.45 | Rusty1 | from gnome |
| 04:51.04 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: I wonder if you're running in ultra dma mode, and also in windows |
| 04:51.25 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Hey! maybe it's an hdparm issue.. i hadn't thought of that |
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| 04:52.09 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: yeah, it's possible that linux is trying to do some mode windows isn't, and your drive is messing it up |
| 04:52.35 | hark | !find netcardconfig |
| 04:52.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'netcardconfig' (1): (/usr/share/app-install/desktop/xfld-xnetcardconfig.desktop, /usr/share/app-install/icons/{xnetcardconfig.png|xnetcardconfig.xpm}) in x11/app-install-data. |
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| 04:53.17 | Lord_Devi | Hrm. I can't change the DMA settings, "function not implemented" sigh |
| 04:53.27 | Dewi | dpkg: that's impressive, mon amour |
| 04:53.30 | Lord_Devi | Well I guess there's no option left for me to but to start a detailed thread on the debian forums.. |
| 04:53.44 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: is this on a laptop? |
| 04:54.07 | hark | Anson: do you have gnome running? |
| 04:54.10 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: No, it's my desktop system |
| 04:54.43 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: you could try dropping back to PIO mode; your performance will go to hell and corrupted data will go unnoticed; but it stands a chance |
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| 04:55.08 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: the interesting thing is that if your drive did something like the I/O errors to windows, then windows would normally respond by knocking that IDE channel back into PIO mode |
| 04:55.16 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: might be worth checking if that has happened |
| 04:55.26 | hark | Rusty1: he specifically asked for Gnome.. and wtf is netcardconfig in debian? |
| 04:55.30 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: personally though it might be a better use of your time to just swap in another drive |
| 04:55.35 | eisen_ | Lord_Devi: it might be worthwhile to try another cable |
| 04:55.42 | Dewi | ooh, that too |
| 04:55.44 | Dewi | for sure |
| 04:56.18 | eisen_ | in my experience those 80 conductor cables break easily |
| 04:57.01 | Lord_Devi | eisen_: Well I am going to assume that the hardware is fine for now because it's been fine and left unmolested for a good while.. |
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| 04:57.14 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: Trying that pio mode now tho. I set pio, but have to quickly reinstall mplayer.. |
| 04:57.30 | Anson | yes gnome is running hark |
| 04:57.33 | Lord_Devi | hey.. |
| 04:57.36 | Anson | is it NetworkManagerGnome |
| 04:57.47 | Lord_Devi | after uninstalling mplayer, and trying to reinstall it, suddenly it wants to install a bunch of dependencies.. |
| 04:57.57 | rolandlakr | What is a c++ compiler that will work with Debian etch? |
| 04:58.00 | hark | Anson: run nm-applet from a terminal |
| 04:58.02 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: did aptitude auto remove them before? |
| 04:58.12 | Anson | kk |
| 04:58.18 | Dewi | Lord_Devi: aptitude will do that; it's supposed to be a feature |
| 04:58.18 | Lord_Devi | Dewi: No. I used synaptic to remove mplayer and it only removed mplayer |
| 04:58.31 | Lord_Devi | I did a depend check too. should have found that problem |
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| 04:59.01 | Lord_Devi | but I removed mplayer thinking maybe i could replace the etch version with the one from debian-multimedia.. shrug |
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| 05:00.26 | Lord_Devi | blah! ok. pio didn't work and neither did the new depends... I have NEVER had this kind of trouble with my dvd player in linux b4 |
| 05:00.29 | hobophobe | Just wondering if anyone's mentioned any issue with left clicking recently? (trying to determine if it's hardware or software issue) |
| 05:00.39 | NETWizz | How does Debian compare with Ubuntu? |
| 05:00.51 | hobophobe | NETWizz, they're similar. |
| 05:01.13 | NETWizz | Which is better? |
| 05:01.18 | hark | Anson: well ? |
| 05:01.23 | hobophobe | Depends on what you're using it for. |
| 05:01.30 | Lord_Devi | NETWizz: They are so similair it's a taste thing really |
| 05:01.36 | hobophobe | Given you're asking in a #debian channel, the answer would be... "debian" |
| 05:01.49 | hobophobe | if you ask in #ubuntu they'll say... "ubuntu" |
| 05:02.07 | Lord_Devi | The best distro is SLS linux =) |
| 05:02.16 | hark | NETWizz: try ##linux .. |
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| 05:02.49 | Anson | i'm trying one second |
| 05:02.52 | rolandlakr | What is a c++ compiler that i can use with debian etch |
| 05:03.10 | hobophobe | gcc? |
| 05:03.16 | Anson | Authentication rejected |
| 05:03.21 | cheal | rolandlakr: g++ |
| 05:03.26 | Lord_Devi | That's just... kind of a strange questions |
| 05:03.28 | Lord_Devi | -s |
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| 05:03.31 | Anson | none of the authentication protocals specified are suported on host-based authentication failed |
| 05:03.44 | Dewi | NETWizz: debian's is much broader and more versatile; ubuntu focusses on getting an easy to use integrated desktop on contemporary hardware. They are quite similar though |
| 05:03.58 | hobophobe | the issue I'm having is that _occasionally_ when I left click it is interpreted as a double click/series of clicks |
| 05:04.09 | NETWizz | Does Debian support easy packages? |
| 05:04.17 | NETWizz | i.e. can I load all the ubuntu packages on debian? |
| 05:04.25 | Rusty1 | hark netcardconfig is / was a ncurses setup utility for network card, but i'll be damned if i can find a man page |
| 05:04.33 | Dewi | NETWizz: the ubuntu package management system is taken straight from debian, but I wouldn't transfer packages between them |
| 05:04.39 | hark | Anson: are you part of the group netdev? |
| 05:05.02 | Dewi | NETWizz: but I think debian has a much higher package count anyway |
| 05:05.04 | Anson | not sure |
| 05:05.10 | ACU01 | OK, I am progressing - the RAID configuration during installation seem easier - however, if I want to RAID1 the two IDE on which I install the OS does not work - it tells me ERror informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/md/2p1 -- invalid argument. This means Linux wont-t know about any changes you made to /de/md/2p1 until you reboot -- so you shouldnt mount it or use it anyway before |
| 05:05.17 | hark | Anson: sun id or groups and find out |
| 05:05.21 | hark | *run |
| 05:05.25 | rolandlakr | when I try to install g++ it acts as if it's installed.. (it just says nothing will be changed with aptitude) but I can't find any .exe |
| 05:05.42 | hobophobe | would there be a way to log my mouse data to a file and then determine whether it's software being weird or whether the hardware actually is sending signals when it shouldn't? |
| 05:05.54 | hobophobe | ie 'capture' the mouse input? |
| 05:06.02 | Dewi | hobophobe: probably easiest to just swap hardware for a while |
| 05:06.10 | Redhatter | NETWizz, Sure, if you want to break your system and wind up with an unsupportable mess. |
| 05:06.20 | hobophobe | Dewi, true... my backup mouse is a trackball didn't want to, but you're right :oP |
| 05:06.22 | Anson | no i'm not apart of netdev |
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| 05:06.40 | NETWizz | Why can't I install the ubuntu packages? |
| 05:06.48 | NETWizz | Linux is Linux right? |
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| 05:06.51 | hark | Anson: then do so.. |
| 05:06.55 | Redhatter | NETWizz, Because they're compiled for Ubuntu |
| 05:07.15 | hark | !tell NETWizz about ubuntu |
| 05:07.15 | Anson | how do i join |
| 05:07.19 | Redhatter | There are subtle differences in the way things are built, which are likely to cause problems. |
| 05:07.28 | cheal | NETWizz: you can install some Ubuntu packages on Debian |
| 05:07.53 | Dewi | NETWizz: there is every chance it will work sometimes, but don't be in any way surprised when it breaks |
| 05:09.11 | NETWizz | Okay |
| 05:09.11 | NETWizz | thanks |
| 05:09.24 | NETWizz | Why is it all the Windows packages work properly all the time |
| 05:09.31 | Anson | hark: how do i join netdev |
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| 05:09.51 | Dewi | NETWizz: what are windows packages? |
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| 05:10.29 | NETWizz | .msi |
| 05:10.39 | Dewi | NETWizz: those aren't packages, they are just install scripts |
| 05:10.39 | Redhatter | "all the time"? |
| 05:10.49 | Redhatter | I'd dispute that! |
| 05:10.50 | NETWizz | The Windows installer is the Windows package manager |
| 05:11.04 | Dewi | NETWizz: they don't work all the time; there is nothing regulating them at all. The only reason they work as often as they do is because windows is a very non-versatile system |
| 05:11.07 | hobophobe | NETWizz, the short answer is that they don't. They tend to work more because there aren't often any separate libs needed from the operating system's... but back in the day you had winsock incompatibilities, and still see some 'dll hell' |
| 05:11.24 | Redhatter | Windows is a horrible ugly mess that really hasn't grown up from the days of DOS. We do _not_ want to repeat that here. |
| 05:11.37 | Dewi | NETWizz: the windows installer doesn't do anything to ensure different MSIs don't break each other |
| 05:11.46 | Dewi | NETWizz: windows has no package management *whatsoever* |
| 05:12.06 | NETWizz | I thought it did |
| 05:12.07 | Dewi | NETWizz: apart from the core operating system components, like IE and Calculator and Remote Desktop |
| 05:12.22 | NETWizz | Does linux do anything to prevent packages from breaking each other? |
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| 05:12.30 | Anson | i type NetworkManager and it comes up with nothing |
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| 05:12.41 | ACU01 | guys: I just overheard (or see) some comments about some mice not working - I had simmilar problems when I wanted to use dual head - it was weird - but the fix came strangely by using an alternative to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ----- I think it was straight reconfigure xserver or someting like this - it is creating a different xorg.conf file and the dual head worked |
| 05:13.00 | NETWizz | Windows is much easier for instance I am not asked for a root password all the time |
| 05:13.05 | Dewi | NETWizz: debian does. The package manager tries to ensure nothing incompatible happens, and that configuration management is done sanely, while keeping the incredible diversity linux facilitates |
| 05:13.08 | NETWizz | It just logs me in as Administrator |
| 05:13.18 | Redhatter | NETWizz, Yep, easier for the spyware too. |
| 05:13.22 | Dewi | NETWizz: that's why windows machines get hacked all the time |
| 05:13.25 | NETWizz | very true |
| 05:13.27 | hobophobe | It seems like it is the mouse itself |
| 05:13.31 | Redhatter | Face it... Linux != Windows. |
| 05:13.35 | NETWizz | Spyware isn't bad if you stay away from Internet explorer |
| 05:13.37 | NETWizz | Very true |
| 05:13.48 | Dewi | NETWizz: you can (and definitely should) run windows as a non-admin |
| 05:13.50 | NETWizz | @Redhatter, Vista is trying to be more like Linux |
| 05:13.54 | Redhatter | They are different operating systems, they will work differently. |
| 05:13.58 | Dewi | NETWizz: and then it is even harder to install things than in linux |
| 05:14.01 | Redhatter | NETWizz, Hardly. |
| 05:14.07 | hark | Anson: adduser user group |
| 05:14.11 | Redhatter | Vista is Microsoft playing catch-up to Apple. |
| 05:14.13 | hobophobe | NETWizz, if you're happy with windows...cool. Personally I love the versatility of debian and it's still rock solid as a daily environment. |
| 05:14.13 | NETWizz | @Redhatter, explain the C:\boot directory |
| 05:14.21 | Anson | so adduser "me" netdev? |
| 05:14.33 | hark | Anson: man adduser |
| 05:14.36 | NETWizz | @Redhatter, how about the User Account Control in Vista and Standard Users |
| 05:14.38 | Dewi | NETWizz: bootstrap loaders have been the standard for system startup on PCs since forever |
| 05:14.44 | Redhatter | NETWizz, I've never used Vista myself. |
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| 05:14.58 | Redhatter | However, I think you'll find it more closely resembles MacOS X than Linux. |
| 05:15.06 | NETWizz | @Redhatter, explain the new wininit.exe that runs as the first process in Windows Vista :-) |
| 05:15.06 | Dewi | NETWizz: and the user management hasn't changed that much since the beginning of NT. If Vista doesn't make you an administrator by default, then cool. |
| 05:15.26 | Redhatter | In any case, Windows Vista is offtopic here. This is the Debian channel for pete's sake! |
| 05:15.26 | NETWizz | 2000 and XP run okay with limited users |
| 05:15.32 | Anson | ok i joined netdev |
| 05:15.33 | NETWizz | Sometimes applications need tweaks to run though |
| 05:15.54 | Dewi | NETWizz: they sure do. Hence my calling windows a completely non-versatile system. Anyway, this is off-topic |
| 05:15.57 | hark | Anson: logout and login |
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| 05:16.14 | Anson | of gdm |
| 05:16.43 | Anson | ok |
| 05:16.48 | rolandlakr | Yeah, from what i've seen vista do.. it's resembles MacOS X. I went to a college and got to fool with it. it made me uncomfortable thinking that I can run debian with a DE with 128 mb of ram.. and I probably couldn't get past boot screen on vista with that. |
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| 05:17.05 | hobophobe | cool, you can double click from separate mice. |
| 05:17.14 | hobophobe | ie, click one on one and the second on the other |
| 05:17.40 | Lord_Devi | I hate vista - windows for games, and that IS IT. So.. when the new version of windows runs my games at like 10 less fps than normal, it can suck on my you know what |
| 05:17.47 | Anson | still rejected |
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| 05:18.17 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: It has a TERRIBLE time with games.. Black VS. White has been running like hell with 2 gigs of ram and 3.8 ghz.. |
| 05:18.24 | hark | Anson: pastebin the error, along with /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-applet.conf |
| 05:18.41 | hobophobe | thaks all |
| 05:18.44 | hobophobe | err, thanks |
| 05:19.03 | Lord_Devi | rolandlakr: I am putting off using vista for as long as possible |
| 05:19.21 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: Heh, Well after a few experiments I decided it wasn't for me. |
| 05:19.24 | GeorgeS069 | is there a utility to check a drive or ext3 partition for errors?something similiar to the DOS chkdsk.exe perhaps? |
| 05:19.49 | Lord_Devi | I'm glad the sales of vista is way way lower than they expected |
| 05:19.52 | Anson | http://pastebin.com/888353 |
| 05:19.56 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: My friend is thinking about selling me his computer... it's going to come down to his HD getting whiped and used as a crash dumby (only 80 gigs) while my 200 gig gets dropped in and used with debian |
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| 05:20.42 | hark | !tell GeorgeS069 -about fsck |
| 05:20.53 | Lord_Devi | rolandlakr: Can't have enough debian boxes man =) |
| 05:21.14 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: Never :D |
| 05:21.16 | GeorgeS069 | hark: thanks....I always forget about that one....how do I force it to run on a reboot? shutdown now -fr ? |
| 05:21.22 | Lord_Devi | I'm replacing my desktop with a newer nicer one in just a few days. I'm looking forward to setting up my first mosix cluster.. |
| 05:21.54 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: But I need a crash dummy for friends.. |
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| 05:22.15 | Regner | could any one help me with samba |
| 05:22.26 | Lord_Devi | rolandlakr: Oh, i missed that term. What's a crash dummy? You mean a play box for your friends to screw with? |
| 05:23.40 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: Yup |
| 05:23.54 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: a 9 gig just isn't enough :D |
| 05:23.55 | hark | Anson: what about /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-applet.conf ? where is it? |
| 05:24.21 | Lord_Devi | rolandlakr: Ah yeah. Right now my server is playing that role :( Normally I wouldn't approve, but eh. I figure so long as they stay logged into a user account things should be fine |
| 05:24.45 | Lord_Devi | rolandlakr: lol, yeah, 9 gigs is pretty much useless |
| 05:25.05 | rolandlakr | Lord_Devi: Its the orginal HD for this HW |
| 05:25.11 | rolandlakr | which is sad |
| 05:25.16 | rolandlakr | this HW is sooo freakin' out dated |
| 05:25.38 | cheal | Regner: it's unlikely that anyone can answer that question without knowing how you can be helped. |
| 05:25.46 | Lord_Devi | Sounds perfect to delegate to a crash dummy. Just need to browse web, check email and such.. |
| 05:26.05 | Anson | one second |
| 05:26.08 | Anson | still uploading |
| 05:26.23 | Anson | http://pastebin.com/888354 |
| 05:26.29 | hark | Anson: pastebin.com is real slow |
| 05:27.45 | Regner | when i try and acces one of my server from a windows machine it shows me all of my samba shares and not just the ones for a specific user, it dosnt even ask me for a user name and password. |
| 05:28.21 | liable | can you browse the shares though? |
| 05:28.24 | Regner | yea |
| 05:28.31 | Regner | and i have full read write |
| 05:28.35 | Regner | thats not what i want |
| 05:28.40 | liable | no |
| 05:28.54 | Redhatter | Regner, Did you set up samba for share-level or user-level access? |
| 05:28.55 | liable | setup smb.conf properly then :P |
| 05:29.00 | rolandlakr | I should get g++ working now |
| 05:29.05 | rolandlakr | but i'm kind of not in the mood |
| 05:29.12 | Regner | i would like onlyi belive it is set to user |
| 05:29.16 | Redhatter | Sounds like it's set up with share-level (which is not the default AFAIK) |
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| 05:30.15 | Regner | ... that last one came out wired, i belive it is set to user |
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| 05:30.49 | Regner | is there a sample config file out there anywhere i could work with ? |
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| 05:32.58 | liable | i sure am glad i donthave to play with samba, it was a nightmare when i used it a while ago, |
| 05:34.28 | litage_ | hi guys. why is there both ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 and -1.9? |
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| 05:34.48 | quintin | ew, sick bug |
| 05:34.58 | quintin | I've got a program that locks the machine when it's run with hyperthreading enabled |
| 05:35.03 | Anson | any luck hark |
| 05:35.16 | quintin | any thoughts about this? Program is 'pnscan' a port scanner |
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| 05:36.04 | hark | Anson: sorry, got disconnected |
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| 05:36.41 | Anson | when i run nm-applet it shows my wired connection |
| 05:36.46 | Anson | how do i add a new eth connection? |
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| 05:37.21 | hark | Anson: you didn't read the README.Debian, right? |
| 05:37.38 | Anson | README.Debian for Network Manager |
| 05:37.39 | Anson | ? |
| 05:37.40 | hark | Anson: make sure your wireless card is not managed in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:37.48 | quintin | Anyone seen anything like this before? Program that halts the whole system on hyperthreading box? |
| 05:37.54 | Anson | hwo can i do that |
| 05:38.25 | litage_ | Anson: you playing with network-manager? |
| 05:38.30 | hark | Anson: edit it and comment out the nic you want nm to manage.. |
| 05:39.16 | litage_ | Anson: do any of the networks you'll be connecting to use static ip addresses rather than dhcp? |
| 05:39.27 | Anson | no |
| 05:39.44 | Anson | how can i play with network-manager |
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| 05:41.36 | litage_ | Anson: read the README files that are listed from this command: dpkg -L network-manager | grep -i readme |
| 05:42.36 | liable | Anson: sit down, take a deep breath, and read some docs, man pages. theres a wealth of info out there, just dont be in such a hurry to get stuff working, you'll learn a lot along the way, and linux will become much more enjoyable. |
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| 05:45.04 | quintin | enjoyable |
| 05:45.12 | quintin | my system crashing with impressive regularity! |
| 05:45.47 | liable | dunno, check that ml, i am pretty sure its talked about there in the last month or two |
| 05:45.54 | liable | doh |
| 05:47.42 | Anson | i dont think it works for my broadcom |
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| 05:54.06 | Anson | is there a way to detect your network card with debian? |
| 05:55.35 | liable | Anson: hotplu/udev usually detects and loads the driver for you |
| 05:55.44 | liable | +g |
| 05:56.03 | Anson | my udev failed |
| 05:56.09 | Anson | doesnt work |
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| 06:01.17 | Anson | how do you modprobe a pci ethernet card? |
| 06:01.37 | litage_ | when i run ``ndiswrapper -l'', it says "drivers invalid driver!" and then lists the driver i installed (net5416). does this "invalid driver" message matter?a |
| 06:01.42 | liable | Anson: modprobe <the driver for the card> |
| 06:02.15 | Anson | so bcm4400 |
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| 06:05.21 | crm_ | hi hi |
| 06:05.27 | liable | Anson: google the output from lspci for your ethernet card, and find if its supported, and whether its supported in your kernel |
| 06:05.43 | crm_ | ive got a pcmcia -usb2 bus that is causing my system to lock up |
| 06:05.48 | Anson | it aint |
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| 06:06.05 | crm_ | ive done a bit of research and theres some stuff in config.opts that might help |
| 06:06.16 | liable | Anson: then your outta luck. theres no drivers available at all for it? |
| 06:06.32 | crm_ | can anyone tell me what "reserve=0x{xyz}" does? |
| 06:06.39 | Anson | i have BCM4001, only drivers are for BCM4000 |
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| 06:08.03 | Anson | so i'm outa luck? |
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| 06:08.39 | liable | Anson: untill a driver is released, looks like it. :( |
| 06:08.57 | Anson | maybe find a wireless usb card? |
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| 06:09.22 | liable | Anson: laptop or desktop box? |
| 06:09.37 | Anson | laptop |
| 06:09.55 | liable | Anson: get a pcmcia one then, usb support is still flakey |
| 06:10.18 | liable | Anson: i personally like atheros based cards, but theres lots of supported chips out there |
| 06:11.02 | liable | that reminds me, i have a usb wireless thing somewhere, must see if the bugger is supported |
| 06:11.12 | Anson | whats a good one for debian |
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| 06:12.29 | markybob | liable, huh. neat. i didnt know those were out yet |
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| 06:12.50 | liable | http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz http://madwifi.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/rt2400/ |
| 06:12.52 | liable | Anson: ^^^ |
| 06:12.57 | liable | markybob: which? |
| 06:13.08 | markybob | liable, wireless usb goodies |
| 06:13.18 | markybob | liable, uwb? |
| 06:13.22 | liable | markybob: been out for quite a while now |
| 06:13.43 | markybob | liable, things come down a bit slower in brazil :) |
| 06:13.46 | liable | i was given one over a year ago |
| 06:13.50 | liable | markybob: heh |
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| 06:15.41 | liable | Anson: intel based cards are well supported, though i dunno if there are any pcmcia cards with intel chips |
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| 06:17.11 | linux2 | Anson: look for dlink based atheros cards |
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| 06:17.19 | linux2 | Anson: does your laptop support mini-pci cards? |
| 06:17.27 | liable | Anson: depending on your box, you might be able to swap out the card anyway if its mini-pci |
| 06:17.30 | markybob | liable, may i ask, as far as drivers are concerned, is wireless usb any different than normal usb? or does the hardware/firmware automatically translate everything to normal usb as far as the OS is concerned? |
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| 06:18.46 | Cybersoft | is there a good chance that linux will be compatible with with credit card cloning machine if I can connect it physically to the computert ? |
| 06:18.56 | liable | markybob: not exactly sure, all i know is that atheros usb cards arent supported whereas all the pci/minipci/pcmcia are. something about different registers as its going through the usb bus |
| 06:19.08 | linux2 | Cybersoft: humm... maybe |
| 06:19.16 | linux2 | Cybersoft: what you up to anyways? lol |
| 06:20.17 | liable | linux2: sounds like hes making credit cards :P |
| 06:20.37 | linux2 | liable: i wonder if he is doing it legally... |
| 06:20.51 | Cybersoft | like, I connect to it throught a network cable |
| 06:21.07 | Cybersoft | by connecting to 192.168.0.20 with a telnet client |
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| 06:21.14 | linux2 | Cybersoft: yeah that would work fine |
| 06:21.23 | liable | linux2: i hate to be cynical, but something tells me no. |
| 06:21.45 | linux2 | Cybersoft: you can make telnet connections with linux easily |
| 06:21.55 | linux2 | telnet 192.168.0.20 |
| 06:22.03 | liable | port? |
| 06:22.09 | linux2 | and read man telnet and telnet --help for more info |
| 06:22.12 | markybob | blah. why do you people still use telnet? |
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| 06:22.26 | liable | it works for testing i guess |
| 06:22.39 | jennam | very insecure... |
| 06:22.40 | linux2 | markybob: sometimes you don't have a choice when it comes to older hardware |
| 06:23.08 | markybob | linux2, eh...i think if you cant use ssh on it...it's pretty a good idea to make the sacrifice |
| 06:23.26 | Cybersoft | liable- who care if it's insecure when Im using it to dumb names/credit card number/expiration dates? |
| 06:23.27 | jennam | you can use ssh on almost anything |
| 06:23.30 | linux2 | markybob: i have some older equipment like from 1992 and around then that cannot use ssh |
| 06:23.45 | liable | Cybersoft: i didnt say that, it was someone else |
| 06:23.50 | markybob | linux2 that's what i'm saying. you shouldnt be using 1992 equipment. time for some sacrifice :) |
| 06:23.51 | linux2 | most of them are big old ISDN modems |
| 06:23.52 | jennam | I modded an old router to use SSH it just took 2 minutes to start up due to key generation |
| 06:24.04 | linux2 | markybob: i like my ISDN modems |
| 06:24.08 | linux2 | i just can't get them to work |
| 06:24.12 | Routed | telnet is handy for testing some things. Also handy for when you don't have a pop mail client. |
| 06:24.15 | liable | i think using telnet is fine for testing/connecting in the right circumstances |
| 06:24.27 | linux2 | the console in port seems to work only sometimes |
| 06:24.35 | markybob | telnet is only ok for internal lan testing |
| 06:25.13 | linux2 | markybob: and old modems |
| 06:25.14 | linux2 | lol |
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| 06:25.26 | linux2 | i like to dial out with them and do run things with em |
| 06:25.35 | linux2 | its a huge hardware modem thingy |
| 06:25.45 | linux2 | http://rpmmaker.net/1.jpg |
| 06:26.13 | markybob | wow. redirecting to https for an image is intense ;-) |
| 06:26.32 | linux2 | lol, yeah everything to rpmmaker.net redirects to https |
| 06:27.35 | linux2 | https://rpmmaker.net/2.jpg is my servers |
| 06:27.42 | linux2 | still don't know what to do with them |
| 06:27.42 | linux2 | lol |
| 06:28.10 | linux2 | humm, i guess all the drives are out of the scsi array in that pic |
| 06:28.12 | markybob | linux2, you could cluster them up and make them seem like 1996 equipment ;-) |
| 06:28.28 | linux2 | those servers are mostly dual p3's 1ghz |
| 06:28.29 | linux2 | lol |
| 06:28.46 | linux2 | and i have a little bit over a terabyte of storage |
| 06:29.02 | markybob | ah |
| 06:29.07 | linux2 | im just not great at coding yet so my only website is still mostly in development and can't be seen |
| 06:29.14 | linux2 | http://rpmmaker.net/modradio |
| 06:29.34 | linux2 | that is the first release of it from a while back, im still working on it slowly but sometime it will be done |
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| 06:30.03 | markybob | linux2, interesting...you still use perl for web. |
| 06:30.13 | linux2 | yeah, im not a fan of php |
| 06:30.28 | linux2 | what do you prefer? |
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| 06:30.59 | markybob | linux2, i'm biased. i work on php almost 300 days a year :) |
| 06:31.10 | Cybersoft | anyway, I was joking with the credit card cloning machine thing |
| 06:31.27 | linux2 | markybob: i wish i could pick up a language quickly but i keep getting lost in them |
| 06:31.32 | Cybersoft | anyway, I dont think you can connect to a computer:p |
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| 06:31.56 | linux2 | alrighty then cybersoft |
| 06:31.59 | markybob | linux2, i understand the feeling. i'm currently working on a php extension, which is written in c, which drives me nuts to try to think of c and php at the same time :) |
| 06:32.31 | linux2 | markybob: yeah with perl im trying to create a whole dynamic website and it is really tought with all the other languages you have to learn |
| 06:32.41 | linux2 | like css and javascript as well as some php for a couple of things |
| 06:32.50 | linux2 | and im coming from no programming background |
| 06:33.03 | linux2 | i hope one day to get my first project idea done which is rpmmaker.net |
| 06:33.19 | markybob | linux2, with that being the case, i think php would be easier to learn that perl, if you have no real experience |
| 06:33.20 | linux2 | i have about a 13 page write up on it but thats as far as i have gone with it |
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| 06:33.39 | linux2 | markybob: yeah, i think my perl is much more advanced then the php i know |
| 06:33.54 | linux2 | i know a decent amount of perl now, but im still not fluent by any means |
| 06:34.18 | linux2 | its usually the terminology that gets me the most |
| 06:34.20 | markybob | linux2, first oreilly cookbook i bought was for perl, before php existed. i hope you have one of those cookbooks :) very helpful |
| 06:34.53 | linux2 | markybob: yeah i read the oreily learning perl book which was very helpful |
| 06:34.57 | crm_ | where do i modify the kernel boot options? |
| 06:35.05 | markybob | crm_, use grub? |
| 06:35.13 | crm_ | markybob yes |
| 06:35.17 | markybob | crm_, if so, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:35.22 | crm_ | ta |
| 06:35.32 | linux2 | markybob: it can just become discouraging when you go to write something and you go it all figured out in your head but when you go down and write it you just don't know how to express it in computer code |
| 06:36.18 | crm_ | markybob .. i need to add the following line: |
| 06:36.19 | crm_ | reserve=0xff490000,0x00aff000 |
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| 06:36.28 | crm_ | dont see anything like that in menu.lst |
| 06:36.39 | markybob | linux2, i know the feeling :) recently i had to make an intranet for a real estate company that included everything from google map to gps integration. i worked on it for six months straight and it drove me nuts. great learning experience, though. |
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| 06:36.49 | markybob | crm_, sure you do. it's in the kernel line |
| 06:36.57 | crm_ | markybob |
| 06:36.59 | crm_ | ok |
| 06:37.09 | linux2 | markybob: yeah, i don't have a ton of time to work on code though due to work and school |
| 06:37.13 | linux2 | i wish i had more time |
| 06:37.20 | linux2 | i do some programming at work though, so it helps |
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| 06:37.47 | markybob | linux2, where do you work? |
| 06:38.06 | linux2 | markybob: i work at luxsci. there website is http://luxsci.com if you are wondering what they do |
| 06:38.34 | linux2 | luxsci is secure email and web hosting. as far as i can tell they are the best at what they do |
| 06:38.43 | markybob | linux2, ah. how worried is management about google apps for your domain? |
| 06:39.01 | markybob | linux2, last company i worked for moved to google for email |
| 06:39.46 | linux2 | markybob: not too much. i mean we have seen a few customers leave to google apps but luxsci offers far more for corperate level users, and even for home users. i like my luxsci account a lot |
| 06:40.09 | markybob | linux2, you're in maine? |
| 06:40.26 | Quintin | how the hell can someone not have agpgart module ? |
| 06:40.32 | linux2 | markybob: i am? |
| 06:40.35 | markybob | Quintin, lsmod ? |
| 06:40.41 | linux2 | markybob: im actually in MA |
| 06:40.46 | Quintin | markybob: I mean not find it with modprobe |
| 06:40.48 | markybob | linux2, it's where the website says they're based out of :-) maine and vermont |
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| 06:41.19 | markybob | Quintin, locate agpgart? should be in /lib/modules/`uname- r` |
| 06:41.29 | linux2 | markybob: what page? |
| 06:41.31 | markybob | Quintin, or i dont understand what you're asking |
| 06:41.33 | Quintin | markybob: I know. this person is saying they get module not found |
| 06:41.35 | markybob | linux2, http://luxsci.com/extranet/company.html |
| 06:41.36 | Quintin | I think it's lies! |
| 06:41.48 | liable | Netham45: WHY THE NEED TO DO THAT? |
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| 06:41.57 | liable | oops, caps lock |
| 06:42.08 | Netham45 | testing something |
| 06:42.15 | Netham45 | and this isn’t the right channel... |
| 06:42.17 | linux2 | Lux Scientiae is a member of the Better Business Bureau of Eastern Massachusetts, Maine, and Vermont. |
| 06:42.19 | Netham45 | wait |
| 06:42.24 | Netham45 | when did I join #debian..... |
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| 06:42.43 | linux2 | markybob: our offices are in MA but our servers are located in various places hosted by rackspace |
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| 06:42.57 | markybob | linux2, ah, i see. i've worked with rackspace. good company |
| 06:43.11 | markybob | linux2, damn good network |
| 06:43.17 | linux2 | markybob: yeah they are really good. i don't think we have had many troubles with them over the years |
| 06:43.49 | linux2 | markybob: yeah. i think there have been some network issues but they were scheduled and didn't affect the service |
| 06:44.01 | linux2 | but that was a couple of years ago |
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| 06:44.08 | linux2 | before i came to the company |
| 06:44.15 | linux2 | rackspace is really on top of things these days |
| 06:44.21 | markybob | linux2, only hosting company i know that guarantees 100% uptime instead of 99.99999%. they're pretty insane :) |
| 06:44.35 | linux2 | lol. yep they are |
| 06:44.45 | linux2 | markybob: just kinda wondering. but what do you think of the luxsci website? |
| 06:45.24 | linux2 | its a somewhat new design from our old template |
| 06:45.54 | SubStack | uptime will severely diminish during the impending robot revolutions, then become much better |
| 06:46.03 | markybob | linux2, i think it's decent enough. doesnt make me want to dive into working with them, though, because it looks generic. i think that businesses should have unique looking websites |
| 06:46.08 | markybob | linux2, for example, check out http://www.theplanet.com/ |
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| 06:46.51 | linux2 | markybob: o very cool |
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| 06:47.13 | Quintin | any reason why someone would not have a common kernel module? I don't get it |
| 06:47.13 | markybob | linux2, see? big difference :) theplanet.com makes me want to trust them and jump in |
| 06:47.21 | linux2 | markybob: yeah i see what you mean |
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| 06:47.37 | linux2 | markybob: although it is on of my tasks at the moment to do advertising for us |
| 06:47.38 | markybob | Quintin, size/memory requirements. custom modules |
| 06:47.47 | linux2 | not sure how to go about that, like on forums and stuff |
| 06:47.54 | linux2 | don't want to be annoying and spam |
| 06:48.11 | markybob | linux2, speaking of great forums...check this out |
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| 06:48.17 | markybob | linux2, http://www.startupping.com/ |
| 06:48.37 | markybob | linux2, see how it has each forum topic in the menu under 'forum' up in the header? |
| 06:49.23 | crm_ | hrm.. dont think that is going to work markybob |
| 06:49.34 | crm_ | i'll post my prob again .. |
| 06:49.40 | markybob | you asked for kernel options. |
| 06:49.44 | markybob | kernel line in menu.lst |
| 06:50.01 | crm_ | i have a pcmcia usb2 bus and when installed its locking the machine up |
| 06:50.19 | crm_ | on boot.. or after boot when its plugged in |
| 06:50.25 | markybob | crm_, what are you looking to do? disable pcmcia? |
| 06:50.26 | linux2 | crm_: well thats a more severe issue |
| 06:50.40 | crm_ | markybob .. no, try to get it working |
| 06:50.49 | linux2 | markybob: thats pretty cool. on the startupping.com never seen that before |
| 06:51.03 | crm_ | linux2 .. it has an nec chipset.. so _should_ work with linux |
| 06:51.05 | markybob | linux2, yeah, it came live only a few days ago. good info in there, though :) |
| 06:51.08 | liable | crm_: no clues from syslog? |
| 06:51.24 | Quintin | markybob: this is a stock kernel though |
| 06:51.34 | crm_ | liable .. let me check |
| 06:51.38 | crm_ | liable |
| 06:51.39 | linux2 | markybob: well nice talking to you but i gotta get some sleep. maybe we can continue some other time |
| 06:51.50 | crm_ | hrm |
| 06:51.50 | linux2 | crm_: sorry but im off to sleep... and yeah. it shoudl work |
| 06:51.50 | markybob | linux2, anytime. see ya |
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| 06:52.25 | jeffwheeler | I'm trying to follow these instructions <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent> on a Debian machine, and I'm having trouble reading casper/vmlinuz and a couple other files in that directory from a mounted disc image or cdrom. They cannot be copied because they fail whenever the system tries to read them. |
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| 06:56.43 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:56.44 | dpkg | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
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| 07:01.18 | crazy_penguin | Good morning all! (P.S. It's morning here :)) |
| 07:02.15 | litage_ | howdy crazy_penguin |
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| 07:02.32 | crazy_penguin | howdy litage_ |
| 07:02.37 | crazy_penguin | :) |
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| 07:14.20 | stoned | sleep |
| 07:14.30 | stoned | go to sleep |
| 07:15.31 | linux2 | !joke |
| 07:15.32 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 07:15.39 | linux2 | dammit |
| 07:15.53 | SubStack | !joke |
| 07:15.54 | dpkg | stop abusing the bot already |
| 07:16.07 | linux2 | humm there must be something for a joke |
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| 07:16.31 | SubStack | dpkg needs some new jokes |
| 07:17.13 | linux2 | yeah it does. dpkg used to have some good ones |
| 07:17.25 | linux2 | there was a good joke bot on the amarok channel a while back |
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| 07:20.22 | stoned | !quotd2 |
| 07:20.26 | stoned | no/ |
| 07:20.32 | stoned | im bored |
| 07:20.36 | stoned | its 1:20 am |
| 07:20.47 | stoned | dpkg should come over and have sex with me |
| 07:20.58 | stoned | I might go back to sleep soon |
| 07:21.33 | liable | !botlove |
| 07:21.43 | liable | meh |
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| 07:24.38 | diago | anyone know how I can get my audio to work? my cd came with alsa drivers and I've done all the readme said to do, but my card still isnt working |
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| 07:25.25 | valdyn | diago: 'cat /proc/asound/devices' |
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| 07:26.47 | diago | valdyn: now what? |
| 07:26.59 | valdyn | diago: paste the output on a paste site |
| 07:27.18 | valdyn | !paste |
| 07:27.18 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 07:28.28 | jetscreamer | &insult stoned |
| 07:29.20 | bottu | stoned - You are nothing but an inferior stack of fulminating dog. |
| 07:30.11 | diago | valdyn: it just keeps repeating this over and over http://channels.debian.net/paste/5495 |
| 07:30.11 | liable | &who owns you |
| 07:30.19 | jetscreamer | me |
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| 07:30.43 | valdyn | diago: fine, you alsa sound system is ok, what exactly isn not working? |
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| 07:31.39 | diago | when i attempt to use it, i get "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" plus i get no sound from anything |
| 07:31.58 | valdyn | diago: which application is giving that error? |
| 07:32.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get install alsa-base maybe |
| 07:32.11 | diago | Volume control |
| 07:32.34 | diago | and no sounds from browsers or any other sound app |
| 07:32.40 | valdyn | diago: 'modprobe snd-pcm-oss' and 'modprobe snd-mixer-oss' |
| 07:32.58 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 07:32.58 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 07:33.27 | valdyn | diago: looks to me like you didn't install debian's alsa packages completely, abovemenentioned modprobe's fix that temporarily |
| 07:34.02 | jetscreamer | sounds like sarge |
| 07:34.25 | diago | it is sarge 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 07:34.48 | jetscreamer | at least etch seems to have the sound down |
| 07:35.09 | valdyn | jetscreamer: etch just installs those packages by default |
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| 07:35.55 | valdyn | diago: try playing sound after you did those 2 modprobes |
| 07:36.18 | diago | still nothing |
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| 07:36.36 | jetscreamer | are you in the audio group? |
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| 07:36.40 | valdyn | diago: nothing is good, its something else than an error message, is that error message reallyt gone? |
| 07:37.10 | diago | yeah, it brings up the volume control now |
| 07:37.35 | jetscreamer | put those modules you modprobed in /etc/modules |
| 07:37.36 | valdyn | diago: ok, turn up volume / unmute playback |
| 07:37.52 | jetscreamer | just the names |
| 07:40.07 | valdyn | diago: i set my appliations to use alsa directly instead of the oss emulation layer ( which you just loaded ), which is imo preferable, but entirely up to you |
| 07:40.19 | Gokee2 | Can a modem output normal sound? Or hear normal sound? (onboard laptop modem not some fancy thing) |
| 07:40.32 | valdyn | Gokee2: a winmodem is a simple soundcard |
| 07:40.44 | Gokee2 | Because it has a volume in alsamixer |
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| 07:40.58 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Cool! How do I pipe sound to it? |
| 07:41.01 | jetscreamer | it doesn't have a speaker though, onboard |
| 07:41.11 | valdyn | Gokee2: a real modem is a soundcard that has a controlling chip before it that is not directly accessible necessarily |
| 07:41.32 | Gokee2 | How do I know which I have? |
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| 07:41.49 | valdyn | Gokee2: if its has an alsa driver loaded its defenitely a winmodem |
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| 07:42.39 | Gokee2 | So how do I get sound to pipe to it? I have tried messing with it in qjackctl but never got any sound out |
| 07:42.50 | valdyn | Gokee2: aplay --help |
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| 07:42.52 | Gokee2 | Would it be loud enough to play though headphones? |
| 07:43.14 | valdyn | Gokee2: devices are specified i alsa like 'hw:0,0', the numbers are in /proc/asound/devices |
| 07:43.20 | `NeRVaL | hello how do we change a .deb file to tar.bz2 ? |
| 07:43.23 | valdyn | Gokee2: yea it would |
| 07:43.36 | valdyn | `NeRVaL: you don't |
| 07:43.55 | diago | valdyn: ok, tried to open a midi in Kmid and I got this "Could not open /dev/sequencer. Probably there is another program using it." |
| 07:44.01 | nentis | `NeRVaL, you can extract a .deb with the ar command |
| 07:44.08 | `NeRVaL | nentis : thanks! |
| 07:44.09 | nentis | `ar x blah.deb` |
| 07:44.12 | valdyn | diago: no, there's snd-seq-oss |
| 07:44.17 | nentis | you the get control and data tar.gz's |
| 07:44.22 | valdyn | diago: 'modprobe snd-seq-oss' iirc |
| 07:44.23 | nentis | data.tar.gz is the good stuff. :) |
| 07:44.49 | Gokee2 | 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 17: [ 0- 1]: digital audio playback 18: [ 0- 2]: digital audio playback Would the modem be 16,17 or 18? |
| 07:44.51 | valdyn | diago: thats another OSS device that requires an emulation layer if your sound system is alsa |
| 07:45.15 | valdyn | Gokee2: hw:0,2 i guess |
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| 07:46.06 | valdyn | Gokee2: fortunately the 'real' soundcard is first by default, or people would be even more confused that no sound ever works in alsa beyond that zero volume default ;) |
| 07:46.07 | diago | valdyn: Kmid isn't even playing it but it stopped giving the error and still no sound |
| 07:46.53 | jetscreamer | shoot it |
| 07:47.15 | Gokee2 | Haha, its more fun to use a 'fake' sound card |
| 07:47.43 | valdyn | diago: kmid just pumps midi files thru your sequencer device. About no modern sound card has hardware midi support. What you need to play midi files is a software midi, like fluidsynth or timidity |
| 07:49.05 | Gokee2 | Ahha that last one I gave was for my desktop... silly me, the one for my laptop makes more since :) |
| 07:49.12 | Gokee2 | its 48 I want |
| 07:49.15 | valdyn | diago: now I wouldn't set up a software sequencign device but just play directly with fluidsyth or timidity |
| 07:49.18 | jetscreamer | sense |
| 07:49.20 | stoned | does anyone have access to IE right now? |
| 07:49.24 | stoned | just wondering |
| 07:49.31 | jetscreamer | who doesn't |
| 07:49.39 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ does this render ok in IE |
| 07:49.45 | diago | valdyn: dont plan on it, just want my sound to work |
| 07:49.49 | valdyn | diago: ask if you don't understand above.. i can explain midi and the process involved to play it if you want |
| 07:49.49 | Gokee2 | jetscreamer, Ya that :) |
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| 07:50.07 | diago | valdyn: i understand how it works |
| 07:50.26 | valdyn | !info freepats sarge |
| 07:50.29 | valdyn | !info freepats etch |
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| 07:50.38 | dpkg | freepats: (Free patch set for MIDI audio synthesis), section sound, is optional. Version: 20040611-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 27936 kB, Installed size: 32304 kB |
| 07:50.40 | dpkg | freepats: (Free patch set for MIDI audio synthesis), section sound, is optional. Version: 20060219-1 (etch), Packaged size: 28289 kB, Installed size: 33224 kB |
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| 07:51.43 | jetscreamer | what you say? |
| 07:51.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: you said you have access to IE |
| 07:52.04 | stoned | hook me up dog |
| 07:52.05 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:52.14 | jetscreamer | with what |
| 07:52.20 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ does this render ok in IE |
| 07:52.25 | stoned | ? |
| 07:52.33 | jetscreamer | get my ip eh |
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| 07:52.46 | stoned | or http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 07:52.47 | stoned | whatever you prefer |
| 07:52.59 | stoned | I also got http://youfuck.mypets.ws |
| 07:53.03 | stoned | its kinda funny |
| 07:53.03 | stoned | :) |
| 07:54.34 | diago | valdyn: any other ideas on how to get sound? nothing is working still |
| 07:54.45 | stoned | diago: what kinda sound |
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| 07:55.14 | diago | stoned: alsa |
| 07:55.35 | stoned | install it and run alsaconf. then install timidity and freepats |
| 07:55.43 | Gokee2 | So can the modem act as a imput and output or just output? |
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| 07:55.53 | xomhau | hi all |
| 07:55.56 | stoned | modem is input/output both |
| 07:56.42 | Gokee2 | Nice :) |
| 07:56.49 | jetscreamer | stoned: http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ looks a fuckall lot better than the other 2, in ie, for some reason |
| 07:56.53 | jetscreamer | err |
| 07:56.57 | jetscreamer | wait wrong link |
| 07:57.06 | stoned | jetscreamer: huh eh who |
| 07:57.16 | diago | stoned: thanks! that worked |
| 07:57.22 | stoned | diago: sure |
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| 07:57.59 | jetscreamer | the menu bar looks stupid,but seems ok-ish |
| 07:58.15 | valdyn | diago: turn up your volume |
| 07:58.18 | jetscreamer | i was gonna paste a picbut... |
| 07:58.25 | stoned | yeh I'm not going to bugfix IE |
| 07:58.29 | valdyn | diago: nm |
| 07:58.48 | jetscreamer | but my webhose seems to be having a problem |
| 07:58.53 | diago | valdyn: heh, yeah, once i did alsaconf, it worked |
| 07:58.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: I run it all on my own |
| 07:59.04 | stoned | jetscreamer: its more fun this way |
| 08:00.03 | stoned | with webhosts you gotta pay and all that |
| 08:00.16 | stoned | I have money, I just don't want to pay for webhosting |
| 08:00.29 | stoned | I don't expect much traffic and whatever upload bandwidth I have works fine |
| 08:00.32 | diago | stoned: same here too...why pay for it when you can run it yourself and have it your way |
| 08:00.41 | stoned | exactly |
| 08:01.39 | jetscreamer | stoned: i have a reseller account, and it pays for itself |
| 08:01.47 | stoned | ahh |
| 08:02.01 | stoned | probably for your tokery too |
| 08:02.02 | stoned | :) |
| 08:02.04 | jennam | isell reseller accounts and they pay for the server :) |
| 08:02.05 | jetscreamer | and i still get to run it myself |
| 08:02.25 | jetscreamer | jennam: one day :) |
| 08:02.29 | stoned | if your name was jennaj you could sell more |
| 08:02.35 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 08:02.38 | jennam | rofl |
| 08:02.38 | jennam | well |
| 08:02.43 | jennam | I usuallyjust use jenna |
| 08:02.48 | jetscreamer | haze! |
| 08:02.49 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:02.53 | stoned | jetscreamer: ugh |
| 08:03.03 | stoned | jetscreamer: sick bastidge |
| 08:03.18 | jetscreamer | no.. but can be |
| 08:03.21 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:05.44 | stoned | I reduced the page load size from almost 1mb to 500kb |
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| 08:06.34 | stoned | or 400kb, its still a lot. I use no css opacity as it is not valid in css2, so I have to use a transparent png. is there any way to compress png images more than the "9" in GIMP somehow? |
| 08:06.46 | xomhau | why i can't play (or copy) vcd? |
| 08:06.51 | xomhau | anyone,tell me pls |
| 08:07.01 | valdyn | xomhau: you can |
| 08:07.02 | stoned | xomhau: you can play vcd with mplayer I believe |
| 08:07.05 | stoned | !dmm |
| 08:07.05 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 08:07.27 | stoned | !vcd |
| 08:07.28 | dpkg | methinks vcd is video compact disc. Basically has two mode2 tracks on it, first track is 10seconds of who-knows-what and the second track has the mpg., or what linux users will use if the dvd cartel gets their way with LiViD, or mplayer/TOOLS/mencvcd |
| 08:08.09 | xomhau | stoned: when i run mplayer ..... in terminal: i/o error .. |
| 08:08.31 | stoned | I dunno beyond basic troubleshooting fella |
| 08:08.37 | stoned | I own no vcd's and never have |
| 08:08.42 | stoned | I do have laserdiscs |
| 08:08.54 | stoned | I dunno why I bought that garbage |
| 08:08.57 | valdyn | xomhau: how are you tryin to play that disk? |
| 08:09.06 | jennam | I'd neber heard of those till dvds were mainstream |
| 08:09.08 | jennam | never* |
| 08:09.15 | stoned | jennam: I had those back in late 09s |
| 08:09.19 | stoned | 90s |
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| 08:10.01 | xomhau | valdyn: i run mount vcd disk to /media/cdrom0 , and run mplayer .... |
| 08:10.12 | valdyn | xomhau: mounting is not required |
| 08:10.15 | stoned | so I designed my website and all that. Now I dunno where to start, with the content |
| 08:10.31 | valdyn | xomhau: mplayer -cdrom-device <whatever> vcd:// |
| 08:10.52 | xomhau | valdyn: really , thank, let me try |
| 08:11.29 | xomhau | valdyn: i can't copy to harddisk? |
| 08:11.30 | stoned | xomhau: umount first |
| 08:11.31 | xomhau | valdyn: i can copy to harddisk? |
| 08:11.40 | valdyn | xomhau: you can |
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| 08:12.19 | xomhau | thank |
| 08:12.23 | valdyn | xomhau: cat /dev/cdrom > file.mpeg |
| 08:13.01 | valdyn | xomhau: probably saner if you skip the first track, but i don't know that off the top of my head, and that cat works anyway |
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| 08:23.25 | bony | i have a problem working with apt-proxy. I finished updating the package's list after adding the proxy ip to sources.list but when i say apt-proxy-import it say's there is no suitable backend found |
| 08:23.52 | valdyn | bony: apt-proxy-import used to be completely broken last i tried, a year ago maybe |
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| 08:24.45 | valdyn | bony: ( but had been like that for many months, making me thing it might still be like that ) |
| 08:24.54 | bony | valdyn, i have been facing the same problem since a long time now. it used to work perfectly before |
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| 08:31.20 | Gokee2 | I can`t seem to get any sound out yet it seems to be playing to the device. aplay says "aplay: set_params:909: Channels count non available" however if I play it in xmms it seems to work and if I go back to try and play it in aplay while xmms is playing aplay then states "aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy". The only sound I seem to be able to get is if I go into "alsamixer -c1" and turn the "off-hook" on I can hear |
| 08:31.20 | Gokee2 | a low humming. Other then that I can`t seem to be able to get any sound out. Any idea why? |
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| 08:32.20 | VImtermute | oy |
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| 08:38.31 | pstickne | wow. debian so totally hosed itself. |
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| 08:38.43 | pstickne | I can't normally boot into X via kdm |
| 08:39.04 | pstickne | I get the KDM, but when it goes to actually log me in I get a blackscreen then kick out to KDM again |
| 08:39.11 | pstickne | and .xsession-errors is sooo unuseful |
| 08:39.12 | stoned | pstickne: stuff don't just happen |
| 08:39.35 | pstickne | stoned, well, okay, I ran out of space on /, and ran an upgrade |
| 08:39.59 | pstickne | I've clean out .kde* and .gnome* but it still doesn't work. |
| 08:40.03 | stoned | how could you run out of space on / |
| 08:40.07 | stoned | did you not forsee |
| 08:40.15 | pstickne | vmware ^^ |
| 08:40.17 | stoned | ah |
| 08:40.30 | pstickne | those image snapshots were a tad larger then I was expecting... |
| 08:40.33 | stoned | I wouldn't give a fuck about ircing as root under a vmware image |
| 08:40.33 | stoned | :D |
| 08:40.46 | stoned | I'd be root all the time, just cuz I can |
| 08:40.47 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:41.01 | pstickne | anyway, right now I hacked up a .xinitrc and started X manually... |
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| 08:41.26 | pstickne | but things like: kdeinit: DCOPServer could not be started, aborting. |
| 08:41.30 | pstickne | make me wonder... |
| 08:41.32 | stoned | hmm |
| 08:41.37 | pstickne | iirc, dcop was held back in the upgrade |
| 08:41.51 | stoned | cuz of space |
| 08:41.56 | stoned | so run another upgrade |
| 08:42.15 | stoned | did you mark it for hold?/ |
| 08:42.15 | pstickne | I did after I freed the space, all looks good -- it was held back before it knew it ran out of the space |
| 08:42.21 | pstickne | I don't think so |
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| 08:43.20 | pstickne | "Uncaught exception: Unable to create temporary directory from template "/tmp/aptitude<random garbage>" yeah, this stuff just "started happening" ;) |
| 08:43.48 | stoned | I am hungry but I can't remember if I ate anything |
| 08:43.57 | liable | pstickne: whats your perms on /tmp? |
| 08:44.03 | stoned | I don't even know what day this is |
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| 08:44.49 | pstickne | hmm, 755 root:root |
| 08:45.05 | liable | gimme the ls -l |
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| 08:45.14 | pstickne | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 168 2007-02-25 00:37 /tmp/ |
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| 08:46.12 | pstickne | that's strange isn't it? |
| 08:46.12 | liable | pstickne: you untar or on gzip in /tmp recently? your perms are screwed |
| 08:46.17 | pstickne | nope |
| 08:46.39 | pstickne | what is sanity/normal perms for /tmp? |
| 08:46.41 | liable | chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 08:46.45 | liable | i think.. |
| 08:47.04 | lechef | if i do ls-l what is the column after user? |
| 08:47.09 | pstickne | ahh, now dcop starts |
| 08:47.18 | pstickne | group |
| 08:47.30 | lechef | hmm |
| 08:47.38 | pstickne | now, how in hell did the permissions change... |
| 08:47.39 | lechef | why is my login name a group? |
| 08:47.56 | lechef | i have a user called raw |
| 08:48.02 | pstickne | by default deb creates a same-named group as the user |
| 08:48.13 | lechef | ah ok |
| 08:48.15 | pstickne | and then puts the user in that group |
| 08:48.20 | lechef | is there also a root group? |
| 08:48.26 | pstickne | see /etc/group |
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| 08:48.34 | lechef | k ty |
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| 08:51.11 | knight | why cant i include conio.h in gcc? |
| 08:51.25 | pstickne | what a difference a sane /tmp makes, thanks! |
| 08:51.31 | pstickne | knight, because it hates you |
| 08:51.40 | knight | pstickne, why? |
| 08:51.41 | pstickne | err, thanks :p |
| 08:51.52 | lechef | is there a simple way to password protect a directory? |
| 08:52.00 | pstickne | dunno, I can only see half the text, need to fix gconfcruft now |
| 08:53.32 | lechef | without installing something like truecrypt |
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| 09:01.46 | dondelelcaro | lechef: the typical way is to make it a filesystem and loopback mount it; you can encrypt the contents using gpg though. |
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| 09:02.08 | dondelelcaro | (course, your directories *are* password protected if they're 0700) |
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| 09:03.42 | foxiness | hi,how can i change the default of my system to be locale one like windows-1256 "not utf-8"? |
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| 09:05.34 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure locales should be able to |
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| 09:06.19 | cahoot | wols: what should he choose? |
| 09:06.32 | cahoot | iso-8859-1? |
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| 09:07.10 | wols | eindowss 2356 is cyrillic or such iirc |
| 09:07.19 | wols | so whatever ISO hhas for that |
| 09:07.29 | wols | western euro is 1252 I thought |
| 09:08.20 | dondelelcaro | foxiness: why in the world would you want windows-1256? |
| 09:08.39 | lechef | ty dondelelcaro |
| 09:09.13 | wols | dondelelcaro: my guess is masochism |
| 09:09.20 | dondelelcaro | I mean, I could see you wanting to send out things in a different encoding, but I've no clue why you'd use a different one internally. |
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| 09:10.40 | foxiness | dondelelcaro: because i have tar file with many-folder name it on windows with local char ASCII "windows-1256" what appear to me like that "??????????????" and tar give me this output "tar: mnt/win/blabla/?????????/something.wmv: Cannot open: No such file or directory ,,,, tar: Skipping to next header" , and this tar hold a backup of full c: partition and i need to restore it |
| 09:10.48 | wols | if I wanted to be lazy and a install image which has axc111 WLAN support in its kernel, does such a beast exist? |
| 09:10.57 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=main&style=debian <-- I made a debian theme using a wallpaper from the internet somewhere. I hope its free. I am going to try and create my own backgrounds and images in gimp |
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| 09:11.53 | vorbote | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:12.05 | lechef | dondelelcaro, if i set my directory to 0700 with the user & group root then i can still access it with other users |
| 09:12.06 | valdyn | foxiness: you got it reversed, you don't change linux locale for windows, but you can change the 'codepage' for your windows partition / share |
| 09:12.15 | dondelelcaro | lechef: no, you cannot. |
| 09:12.20 | dondelelcaro | lechef: try it. |
| 09:12.46 | lechef | oh man |
| 09:12.49 | lechef | i'm sorry |
| 09:12.56 | lechef | i was still root |
| 09:12.57 | lechef | hehe |
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| 09:13.31 | xingu | heads up, kvm14 has just hit sid, and it will panic for in-tree 2.6.20 kvm modules. |
| 09:13.58 | xingu | obviously not a #debian problem, but just fyi. |
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| 09:14.50 | foxiness | valdyn: this will be true if this folder on /mnt/win and i try to read it |
| 09:15.17 | stoned | http://www.glatozen.org/wallpaper/wallpaper.php?variable=debian <- jackpot! |
| 09:16.01 | foxiness | valdyn: even if am open it with arch-manger you will see it like that ??????????,and arch-manger can not extract it |
| 09:16.07 | stoned | I think I'll do it myself, I want to make the debian swirlie look like a galaxy |
| 09:16.13 | stoned | I wonder how I could do this |
| 09:16.43 | dondelelcaro | foxiness: that's because you haven't picked the proper codepage. |
| 09:16.59 | dondelelcaro | foxiness: if you select the right one, it should convert the filenames to the correct locale. |
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| 09:17.05 | vick | I |
| 09:17.24 | dondelelcaro | (if it doesn't, well, you can try changing the locale for the terminal that you're in or forking off one with the other locale) |
| 09:17.25 | vick | I'm using debian "testing", how do i make that boot screen of grub have an image ? |
| 09:17.34 | valdyn | foxiness: extract it on /mnt/win/, ( if that is currently on the same wrong codepage ), and remount that with the right cp |
| 09:20.20 | foxiness | valdyn: now it clear for me, the partition hold the tar on usb and gnome auto-mounted ,you ask me to mount it like this "/dev/hda3 /mnt/win vfat defaults,iocharset=windows-1256 0 0" |
| 09:21.05 | vick | hmm.. |
| 09:21.18 | vick | is that graphical screen during loading services etc.. possible in debian ? |
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| 09:22.27 | stoned | vick: tht would be nice |
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| 09:24.13 | valdyn | foxiness: yea, and maybe codepage= too, not sure |
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| 09:25.14 | RichiH | any bots around which i did not kline, yet? |
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| 09:25.29 | geo-hacker | can u download debian? |
| 09:25.36 | RichiH | (the last one is gone) |
| 09:25.45 | RichiH | geo-hacker: sure |
| 09:26.23 | R-Request | RichiH: 1 DVD or how many CDs? |
| 09:26.57 | RichiH | R-Request: depeding on your needs, you can get away with a 26 mb image and load the rest from the internetduring install |
| 09:27.19 | RichiH | R-Request: actually, netinstall is the prefered way to do it if you have a fast internet connections |
| 09:27.27 | RichiH | s/ions/ion/ |
| 09:27.40 | R-Request | Dont think I do tbh lol, I have 8MB Connection, any good? |
| 09:28.28 | RichiH | should be ok, yah |
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| 09:28.47 | R-Request | is there none whats not netinstall ones? |
| 09:29.10 | vick | hm. |
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| 09:29.44 | vick | i mean is there a package or something in "testing" for that graphical screen during loading services, etc.. ? |
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| 09:32.14 | zorrolero | vick: check this: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=splash&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
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| 09:36.37 | Coke | Hello. I'm using the 2.6.18 kernel forcedeth driver for an MCP51 a1 onboard NIC. When I ping over my DSL it shows TX 25, but only RX 1. After TX 50 only RX 2 and so on. Now, I've connected another computer on my HUB, I could ping it over LAN, only DSL get this result. So, I suspect maybe the driver does not change the speed and tries to send 100MB on a 10MB DSL modem. Or? I dunno. Anyway, any fixes I should be aware of? |
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| 09:36.59 | Coke | The driver manual and source code give no clue as to options on changing the speed of the NIC. |
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| 09:38.10 | valdyn | Coke: mii-tool or ethtool do that |
| 09:38.33 | Coke | valdyn: I don't even know if that's the problem, but I'll try that. |
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| 09:38.51 | Coke | valdyn: those are in the net-tools package, right? :) |
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| 09:39.39 | Coke | disconnecting slightly while changing interfaces... :/ |
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| 09:42.04 | pinx | stoned are you running dynamic DNS? |
| 09:42.14 | stoned | yes I am thank you ver much for asking |
| 09:42.16 | stoned | :D |
| 09:42.30 | stoned | I got a new debian theme on my website |
| 09:42.37 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=main&style=debian chck it out |
| 09:42.40 | pinx | cool -- do you use ddclient or justa script using wget? |
| 09:42.49 | stoned | pinx: wget? |
| 09:43.09 | pinx | yea -- you can do the dynamic update with wget |
| 09:43.24 | stoned | my router is configured for dyndns |
| 09:43.36 | stoned | I have noi dea why you're talking about wget |
| 09:43.41 | stoned | but ok |
| 09:44.08 | pinx | how is your router config'd? |
| 09:44.25 | liable | whats wrong with ddclient? |
| 09:44.37 | stoned | its a newer firmware, 3rd party |
| 09:44.37 | pinx | I'm setting it up for my laptop and wondered which was best - that's all |
| 09:44.48 | stoned | old firmware doesn't work with dyndns anymore |
| 09:44.59 | stoned | its a WRT54G old linksys crappazoid |
| 09:45.09 | pinx | using wget is very simple - one line of script |
| 09:46.00 | h3xis | stoned, so switch to ddwrt |
| 09:46.21 | stoned | h3xis: do you pay attention to you what you read? |
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| 09:46.33 | Coke | valdyn: well. no difference. any ideas on what can be wrong? |
| 09:47.29 | h3xis | stoned, sorry just did :P i just walked in |
| 09:47.29 | stoned | ;) |
| 09:47.29 | Coke | Maybe the reverse engineered forcedeth driver just isn't working? |
| 09:47.29 | h3xis | XD |
| 09:47.29 | Coke | It's now TX 138, RX 9 after flood pinging. |
| 09:48.20 | stoned | hmm, I can get transparency with jpg images nice |
| 09:48.34 | stoned | I just brought my website from 1mb of graphics in png to 25kb in jpg |
| 09:49.04 | stoned | well, its a transparency effect but not transparent jpg that it doesn't do i think |
| 09:49.55 | Coke | valdyn: it should be noted that the NIC worked fine in 2.6.15, after 2.6.16 (I think) it stopped working. |
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| 09:50.46 | liable | Coke_: e100? |
| 09:51.06 | liable | nm |
| 09:51.16 | Coke | liable: MCP51 a1 |
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| 09:52.14 | Coke | liable: I have a realtek NIC in another PCI slot now just to make it work. |
| 09:52.30 | valdyn | Coke: ASUS M2N32-SLI-D is your mainboard? |
| 09:52.35 | e1z0 | :O |
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| 09:53.09 | Coke | valdyn: some asus with sli, anyway |
| 09:53.34 | valdyn | !lkml |
| 09:53.35 | dpkg | hmm... lkml is the linux kernel mailing list (read /usr/src/linux/REPORTING-BUGS before you post there and ALSO read http://www.tux.org/lkml/ |
| 09:54.00 | valdyn | Coke: search the lkml for forcedth issues, there's patch(es) and workarounds |
| 09:54.12 | Coke | valdyn: why would there be patches, it worked fine in 2.6.15? |
| 09:54.14 | valdyn | Coke: or just use an older kernel |
| 09:54.17 | Coke | ahh. |
| 09:54.30 | Coke | It'd be better if they just didn't break working code. :) |
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| 09:55.22 | vick_ | How do i create iso image from DVD ? |
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| 09:55.23 | Coke | Unfortunately, testing does not have older kernels. |
| 09:55.42 | dondelelcaro | but snapshot.debian.net does |
| 09:55.57 | liable | vick_: with mkisofs or genisofs depending on what you have |
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| 09:56.02 | valdyn | Coke: 10:50 < liable> Coke_: e100? |
| 09:56.25 | liable | vick_: growisofs can just burn without making an iso, if thats what you want |
| 09:56.26 | valdyn | Coke: http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/nforce/1.21/NFORCE-Linux-x86-1.21.zip is a working forcedeth driver, might not work with your kernel though, its just listed as working on the lkml |
| 09:56.26 | Coke | vick_: you can copy the entire device to a file. however, many DVD's use other types of filesystems, you might have to copy all files manually to your new ISO fs. |
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| 09:56.46 | Coke | valdyn: cheerio |
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| 09:57.07 | vick_ | liable, i want to make a copy of a DVD |
| 09:57.15 | valdyn | vick_: just cat /dev/dvd > file.img. It does not need to be an iso filesystem, so 'iso' image is just misleading |
| 09:57.16 | vick_ | liable, i don't have two DVD roms tho |
| 09:57.24 | liable | vick_: check out dvdbackup |
| 09:57.30 | Coke | vick_: read my answer |
| 09:57.36 | liable | vick_: copy it, then burn with growisfs |
| 09:57.40 | foxiness | valdyn: mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/backup3/ -oiocharset=utf8 codepage=???? |
| 09:57.45 | liable | vick_: or just use something like k3b |
| 09:57.49 | vick_ | What about boot options ? |
| 09:57.52 | vick_ | i have k3b |
| 09:58.06 | litage_ | which gnome or kde app(s) do you guys recommend for managing wireless your wireless card/networks? |
| 09:58.18 | valdyn | foxiness: no idea how this works exactly, i just know enough to know that you need to use that mechanis |
| 09:58.31 | xingu | litage: probably network-manager |
| 09:58.48 | Coke | vick_: what about boot options? copying a DVD has nothgint to do with booting. |
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| 09:59.53 | vick_ | Thanks, i just figured out how with k3b :D |
| 10:00.09 | litage_ | xingu: i've used network-manager but it's terrible if you have any static ip addresses |
| 10:01.37 | xingu | litage: I don't use any such things, but the reasoning behind that suggestion is that under the bonnet it's about the best example of how to handle the various api's for monitoring and controlling network and datalink layer |
| 10:01.54 | Coke | valdyn: gotta go, thanks for the hint though, going to try that fixed driver. If it doesn't work I'll just have to try the nvidia driver and then just get an older kernel. |
| 10:02.01 | liable | litage_: wpa_supp has great management these days. i have about 5 networks in my conf and it automagically sorts it all out |
| 10:02.06 | xingu | litage: ie if it's kept current, it's least likely to sour your milk and queer your chickens |
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| 10:13.03 | themolester | where is the EDITOR variable set during login on debian |
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| 10:13.57 | themolester | hrmm |
| 10:14.03 | Guerin | themolester: it's not |
| 10:14.06 | valdyn | themolester: it is not? |
| 10:14.06 | Guerin | by default, anyway |
| 10:14.10 | themolester | just noticed that heh |
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| 10:14.15 | Guerin | themolester: set it in .profile or .bashrc |
| 10:14.18 | themolester | where is default editor set |
| 10:14.30 | liable | themolester: or update alternatives --config editor |
| 10:14.33 | Guerin | themolester: alternatives |
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| 10:15.22 | Lord_Devi | I have a quick question regarding vmware vs qemu, or kqemu. Pure benchmarks, does anyone know how well they work compared to each other in terms of speed? |
| 10:15.31 | Guerin | Lord_Devi: fgi |
| 10:15.38 | Lord_Devi | fgi? |
| 10:15.42 | Guerin | Lord_Devi: this is not #virtualisation |
| 10:15.50 | themolester | im coming up nil on update, and alternatives, any chance you can give me a command |
| 10:15.54 | nentis | qemu is probably faster than vmware. |
| 10:15.59 | Guerin | !fgi Lord_Devi vmware+qemu+kqemu+benchmarks |
| 10:15.59 | dpkg | Lord_Devi: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=vmware+qemu+kqemu+benchmarks |
| 10:16.05 | liable | i did.. |
| 10:16.26 | Guerin | themolester: update-alternatives |
| 10:16.32 | valdyn | Lord_Devi: kqemu is probably fastest but needs specific cpu support |
| 10:16.34 | Lord_Devi | yes yes, thank you for your ever so helpfull personal experiences :P |
| 10:17.19 | Lord_Devi | valdyn: Yeah? I was wondering because they all use completly different methods to emulate cpus and stuff.. |
| 10:17.19 | liable | themolester: sorry, missing the - update-alternatives --config editor |
| 10:17.38 | themolester | when vim first installs is it set to vim.tiny, or basic? i assume basic, right? |
| 10:17.38 | valdyn | Lord_Devi: and you probably forgot kvm |
| 10:17.53 | Lord_Devi | valdyn: I didn't even know about kvm. hrmm |
| 10:18.17 | Lord_Devi | valdyn: I'll take a look at that too. |
| 10:18.20 | valdyn | Lord_Devi: probably the fastest but does need even more specific cpu support |
| 10:18.23 | themolester | seems to work good, so i guess im right |
| 10:18.24 | themolester | :) |
| 10:18.32 | themolester | thx |
| 10:18.46 | valdyn | Lord_Devi: ( an extension not available on older cpus, maybe only on specific new ones, no idea ) |
| 10:19.30 | Lord_Devi | valdyn: Well hopefully it's something within my means to accomodate. |
| 10:19.35 | Lord_Devi | thanks again |
| 10:19.50 | concept10 | themolester, how do you want vim to start? |
| 10:20.21 | themolester | concept10 i was referring to the previous question about update-alternatives |
| 10:20.34 | themolester | it gave me two options for vim, a basic, and tiny |
| 10:20.50 | themolester | i tried basic... but both make it sound... well... limited |
| 10:21.04 | Guerin | vim *is* limited |
| 10:21.05 | themolester | which one is the equivelant of "vim" |
| 10:21.10 | liable | dont start editor talk |
| 10:21.13 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:21.15 | liable | oops, tto late |
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| 10:21.19 | concept10 | in my experience, the update alternatives doesnt set it right |
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| 10:21.55 | themolester | i set it, and i get a vi-like program |
| 10:22.02 | themolester | but i dont know hwo to tell if its the same |
| 10:22.04 | Guerin | themolester: probably nvi |
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| 10:22.09 | concept10 | so I have this set in ~/.bashrc: alias vi='vim -g -p --remote-tab-silent' |
| 10:23.09 | themolester | well it has the --INSERT-- so i know its not plain vi... but other than that, im not sure |
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| 10:23.31 | SerajewelKS | themolester: try 'vi --version' |
| 10:23.37 | concept10 | thats why I was asking, how do you want it started |
| 10:23.38 | chronographer | hiall i inserted m flash drive in my laptop with debian etch and xfce and it doesn't automount. is there a way to do this so it works like on my desk machine (with gnome which flash drive pops up on desktop) |
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| 10:23.53 | biz | is there a way in iceweasel to override the gtk2 theme's color for input fields and submit buttons? |
| 10:23.57 | themolester | concept10 the default... ie, i run crontab -e, and it opens vim |
| 10:24.08 | concept10 | okay |
| 10:24.30 | themolester | i installed nano for somone else, and it took priority over vim |
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| 10:24.33 | chronographer | is there a package which handles this? |
| 10:24.55 | Guerin | chronographer: you can use the gnome gear in xfce |
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| 10:25.03 | liable | ivman can do it too |
| 10:25.06 | themolester | so i just wanna know which one does vim initially set for default, vim.basic, or vim.tiny... or... is neither right |
| 10:25.06 | Guerin | chronographer: i think it's something to do with gnome-vfs |
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| 10:25.12 | chronographer | oh but what do i use to make the thing automount? |
| 10:25.21 | liable | though i cant remember if it gives a desktop icon |
| 10:25.32 | chronographer | shouldn't xfce automount a flash drive? |
| 10:25.32 | Guerin | chronographer: ask the gnometards in #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 10:25.40 | Guerin | chronographer: apparently not. |
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| 10:25.43 | concept10 | themolester, I was looking for the same answer, someone gave me the answer - use update alternatives but it doesnt work |
| 10:25.48 | chronographer | lol apparently |
| 10:25.55 | Guerin | why should it? |
| 10:26.06 | chronographer | all other forums are empty... |
| 10:26.14 | Guerin | i certainly don't want my shit automounted |
| 10:26.17 | concept10 | chronographer, Im not sure about XFCE, but Thunar automounts in GNOME |
| 10:26.41 | chronographer | well i use thunar |
| 10:26.45 | Guerin | concept10: it's probably the gnome stuff, not the filemanager |
| 10:27.01 | Guerin | i mean, wtf would a filemanager mount anything? |
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| 10:27.17 | concept10 | Guerin, not sure about that, because Thunar has its own libraries |
| 10:27.39 | Guerin | Oo, libraries. Because nothing has libraries. |
| 10:27.54 | concept10 | heh |
| 10:28.05 | concept10 | libraries make the world go 'round :) |
| 10:28.18 | chronographer | i guess i will read the thunar man pages then... |
| 10:28.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:28.38 | Guerin | i owe my university libraries money |
| 10:28.48 | Guerin | i need to pay that shit before I can get more books |
| 10:28.58 | Guerin | stupid 3-day loans |
| 10:29.06 | SerajewelKS | books are overrated |
| 10:29.15 | Guerin | thunar is another candidate for retardedest name evar |
| 10:29.25 | RichiH | if anyone is at fosdem, let me know |
| 10:29.43 | nentis | rawr. Anyone with FDS/AD experience? I have a sync agreement working between the two over 389, but no luck with SSL. |
| 10:29.44 | chronographer | is there a better file manager which i should use which will automount the bloody thing? |
| 10:29.54 | RichiH | he was running around in a chicken suit without pants |
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| 10:30.00 | Guerin | RichiH: awesome |
| 10:30.01 | liable | hah |
| 10:30.08 | liable | why isnt that surprising? |
| 10:30.18 | Guerin | chronographer: a filemanager has *nothing* to do with mounting stuff |
| 10:30.26 | RichiH | liable: heh |
| 10:30.26 | asg | nentis: the problem with AD on 636 is that it generally returns referrals to non-ssl urls |
| 10:30.27 | Guerin | at least *should* have nthing to do with it |
| 10:30.32 | chronographer | oh.. the xfce ppl say install hal/dbus |
| 10:30.39 | Guerin | right |
| 10:30.49 | Guerin | that's the shit to which gnome-vfs is an interface |
| 10:30.49 | RichiH | will drop now, battery dead |
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| 10:30.57 | RichiH | outlets in the debian room died |
| 10:30.59 | chronographer | you know what apt-get packages for this? |
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| 10:31.01 | RichiH | at least mine did :/ |
| 10:31.04 | asg | RichiH: have a beear! |
| 10:31.06 | nentis | non-ssl is working, but with an SSL sync agreemtn I get LDAP error: Can't contact LDAP server. Error Code: 81 |
| 10:31.14 | RichiH | asg: i did |
| 10:31.20 | asg | RichiH: have another :) |
| 10:31.22 | nentis | but `telnet ad-server 636` responds. :) |
| 10:31.22 | Guerin | RichiH: have one for me! |
| 10:31.30 | concept10 | chronographer, you dont have hal/dbus? what distro are you running? |
| 10:31.49 | chronographer | debian etch |
| 10:31.50 | nentis | would I need to export the AD's Enterprise root CA and Server cert to FDS? |
| 10:31.52 | Guerin | concept10: hal/dbus doesn't do it automatically on its own. It needs another program to tell it to. |
| 10:32.16 | chronographer | like thunar? |
| 10:32.16 | concept10 | Guerin, I know that buddy |
| 10:32.28 | chronographer | im fresh out of beer |
| 10:32.43 | Guerin | i feel justified since I worked 11 hours and got my marks back, and they all start with A |
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| 10:32.55 | concept10 | im about to make another cup of delicious coffee since I cant sleep at night |
| 10:32.58 | Guerin | concept10: it's not clear. |
| 10:33.10 | liable | concept10: shame on you |
| 10:33.13 | liable | chronographer: ^^\ |
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| 10:33.22 | bl4s | hi |
| 10:33.40 | chronographer | i got 6 bottles of chardonay yesterday for 12 dollars (australian) !! bloody cheap mate! |
| 10:33.54 | concept10 | Oh, check this out: http://thunar.xfce.org/news.html |
| 10:34.01 | bl4s | mm pure-ftpd has a script that lists actual connect status, is it possible to run it with something and it will refresh in the same line realtime? so i dont need to type it many times |
| 10:34.03 | Guerin | chronographer: the wine glut is a great thing for consumers, eh |
| 10:34.04 | concept10 | it says it doesnt rely on gnome |
| 10:34.18 | Guerin | not so for winemakers ;) |
| 10:34.20 | concept10 | read the removable media section |
| 10:34.25 | liable | if only they could make wine taste less like piss |
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| 10:34.35 | Guerin | liable: you need to drink better wine |
| 10:34.51 | Guerin | no excuses, either, aussie makes some good stuff |
| 10:35.14 | Guerin | better than your rugby and cricket teams, anyway |
| 10:35.18 | asg | Guerin: he could always drink better piss |
| 10:35.24 | Guerin | asg: this is true |
| 10:35.48 | Guerin | asg: Q: Why is Queensland beer called XXXX? |
| 10:36.02 | Guerin | asg: A: Because Queenslanders can't spell `piss'! |
| 10:36.04 | asg | Guerin: A: They can't put SHIT on the ottle |
| 10:36.05 | chronographer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.10 | asg | *bottle |
| 10:36.12 | liable | hrm, walk away for a minute and look what happens... |
| 10:36.20 | Guerin | chronographer: definitely not. |
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| 10:36.36 | Guerin | chronographer: drought helps high-quality wine and is the death of low-quality wine. |
| 10:36.43 | liable | Guerin: one series win isnt anything to get excited about! |
| 10:36.52 | chronographer | so i need a package like thunar volume manager |
| 10:36.54 | chronographer | ?? |
| 10:37.00 | Guerin | liable: yeah, yeah. We have to take our chances to gloat. |
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| 10:37.07 | chronographer | and exo-mount ??? |
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| 10:37.39 | concept10 | chronographer, if you are on XFCE, it should have that, but those *libraries* should be in the repos |
| 10:38.33 | chronographer | Failed to fetch http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
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| 10:38.41 | concept10 | chronographer, http://thunar.xfce.org/documentation/C/using-removable-media.html#management-of-removable-drives-and-media |
| 10:38.41 | chronographer | anybody else getting this at the mom? |
| 10:39.02 | Guerin | chronographer: change mirrors |
| 10:39.03 | asg | chronographer: nope |
| 10:39.10 | Guerin | this can happen for any number of reasons |
| 10:39.18 | asg | Guerin: .au |
| 10:39.24 | liable | ... |
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| 10:39.37 | concept10 | I wish that XFCE developers controlled the entire Free Desktop, they make solid apps |
| 10:39.40 | liable | i usually start with the .au mirror and end up giving up on it |
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| 10:40.01 | Guerin | concept10: if their shit is that good, they eventually will |
| 10:40.01 | chronographer | ok... excuse my ignorance but is tehre an easy way to change mirrors? |
| 10:40.02 | liable | and there debian devs are arrogant pricks |
| 10:40.26 | liable | chronographer: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:40.33 | Guerin | chronographer: sed -i 's/au/nz/' /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 10:40.33 | chronographer | yes i know that... |
| 10:40.34 | concept10 | chronographer, search and replace |
| 10:40.35 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:40.38 | Guerin | not .d |
| 10:40.56 | liable | chronographer: so if you know... |
| 10:41.16 | asg | liable: he probably wants the gooey cheese version |
| 10:41.17 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 10:41.19 | chronographer | lol =) i jsut was hoping... |
| 10:41.29 | concept10 | I amused a friend yesterday with the shell, he hasnt seen one before |
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| 10:42.19 | chronographer | that was nice guerin, now i got nz sources.. tricky! |
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| 10:42.52 | liable | heh, next time you log in you'll have a nekid sheep as a desktop |
| 10:43.02 | Guerin | ehe |
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| 10:43.12 | ma3x | one thing that I don't understand about package bugs: example: if I did apt-get install package, but then apt-listbugs informed me that that package has a <pending> bug report and I decided to abort the installation. Then the next day I do again apt-get install package, but this time apt-listbugs says <fixed> or doesn't show nothing at all, meaning that the bug has been solved. Now is there a need to redownload that package, or I can use the cached package |
| 10:43.12 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.15 | chronographer | hehehe |
| 10:43.28 | concept10 | liable, Im serious.. He bought one year of web hosting, and he wanted to install some apps from the control panel, and I was like 'where is the shell access, damn this control panel' |
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| 10:43.37 | Guerin | liable: did you send me the pic of the fat-ass chinese sheep? |
| 10:43.52 | concept10 | Its great that the company uses Sarge on a 2.4 heavy patched kernel |
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| 10:44.20 | liable | Guerin: i pasted the link here for someone a day or two ago, but yeah, i have that bookmark named 'guerin' :) |
| 10:44.27 | Guerin | classy |
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| 10:44.50 | chemaja | ma3x, i assume it re-grabs the newer binary package from the apt source |
| 10:44.51 | Guerin | i miss being in asia |
| 10:44.55 | Guerin | crazy shit is normal there |
| 10:45.10 | Guerin | anyway, i have to work in 7 hours |
| 10:45.14 | Guerin | g'night kids |
| 10:45.16 | concept10 | I miss being inside an asian |
| 10:45.19 | asg | Guerin: night |
| 10:45.32 | ma3x | chemaja: but let's say the old package is 20 MBytes and the new one is 21 Mbytes. so it will redownload 21? |
| 10:45.39 | chemaja | yea what's with their pornography and not being able to show hole #1, but hole #2 is okay? :) |
| 10:46.01 | chemaja | ma3x, we're dealing with binary packages -- in my experience, yes. |
| 10:46.06 | concept10 | Guerin, stop drinking and get some rest |
| 10:46.33 | ma3x | chemaja: so there is no such thing as applying patch or <fixing> it |
| 10:46.38 | ma3x | it has to be reinstalled, right? |
| 10:46.44 | ma3x | Guerin: show some pictures of asia |
| 10:47.04 | liable | theres none on the web? |
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| 10:47.09 | ma3x | where? |
| 10:47.22 | ma3x | no, I mean some of his collection/experience |
| 10:47.41 | Guerin | ma3x: if you can't find pictures of 1/3rd of the world's surface, you don't deserve them |
| 10:47.45 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:47.55 | chemaja | ma3x, there might be some tool to do it, but i dont know anything about it |
| 10:47.57 | Guerin | mine aren't online, I'm too lazy and there are too many |
| 10:48.00 | ma3x | come on Guerin show me some |
| 10:48.04 | Guerin | liminil.net has some of my wife's |
| 10:48.06 | ma3x | ah damn |
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| 10:48.24 | ma3x | ok what town? |
| 10:48.35 | Guerin | i dunno what she has up there |
| 10:48.36 | ma3x | Guerin: you were in south korea right? |
| 10:48.44 | Guerin | yeah, and a bunch of other places |
| 10:49.01 | ma3x | Guerin: that site slows down my machine badly |
| 10:49.17 | Guerin | ma3x: it shouldn't, since there's nothing but html and css |
| 10:49.42 | Guerin | anyway, -> z |
| 10:50.08 | concept10 | I just saw the best thing ever! Thunar opens the the entire icon cache in 2 secs (compared to nautils 15-20 secs) |
| 10:50.21 | ma3x | Guerin: it shows that Xorg uses the CPU max |
| 10:50.25 | ma3x | but only when I have launched the site |
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| 10:53.36 | schme | Guerin: some beautiful pictures on there |
| 10:57.44 | ma3x | yeah, his wife is into the philisophy and literature too. nice |
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| 10:58.25 | Sakunix | How do you add and bind functions to a 12 button mouse under Debian? |
| 10:58.37 | chronographer | yoohoo how do i check that hald is running, and no set-naked-sheep-as-desktop scripts plz guerin |
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| 10:59.06 | chronographer | 12 buttons is a bit excessive eh? |
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| 10:59.18 | Sakunix | Logitech MX1000 |
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| 10:59.25 | liable | Sakunix: xev and xbindkeys (other than what xorg.conf can handle) |
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| 11:00.02 | Sakunix | xorg.conf == XF86Config ? |
| 11:00.17 | liable | ya if you have xfree |
| 11:00.29 | Sakunix | kk |
| 11:00.50 | Sakunix | This is going ot a little hit and miss to find which of the buttons are where on the mouse |
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| 11:01.15 | liable | Sakunix: thats where xev helps |
| 11:01.32 | Sakunix | xev is a apt-get'able util? |
| 11:01.44 | liable | you prolly already have it |
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| 11:04.33 | valdyn | Sakunix: not supported on debian/sarge, its in xorg on etch/sid, there may be 3rd party packages for debian, but i wouldnt know where |
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| 11:05.23 | Sakunix | ok thank you valdyn. The main thing I want back is my mouse wheel? |
| 11:05.30 | Sakunix | I asume that will be button's 4 5? |
| 11:05.38 | valdyn | Sakunix: yea |
| 11:06.11 | valdyn | Sakunix: oh, anyway, the xorg for sarge from http://www.backports.org/ will support your 12 buttons |
| 11:07.04 | Sakunix | not a huge problem |
| 11:07.11 | Sakunix | I only ever use 6 of them anyway |
| 11:07.30 | Sakunix | the two clicks wheel up and down and the two on the side while browsesing |
| 11:07.37 | xand | is it for people with extra fingers? |
| 11:07.58 | Sakunix | Its two clikcs to each finger and a bit more |
| 11:08.02 | Sakunix | its awesome for gaming |
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| 11:08.11 | Sakunix | bind it to so many things |
| 11:08.22 | Sakunix | I could play quake 2 with only th mouse in my hand :) |
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| 11:08.55 | vick | i added 'splashimage <path>' to menu.1st of grub and reran grub-install, but when i restarted there was no image :( |
| 11:09.40 | Sakunix | What is the "option" in your XF86Config to assign buttons to the wheel mouse? |
| 11:10.10 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.29 | Sakunix | once thats in is there a reload options for xserver? |
| 11:10.43 | Sakunix | alt-ctrl-backspace? |
| 11:10.45 | Sakunix | only option |
| 11:10.54 | Sakunix | or is there a nice neat way to reaload configs |
| 11:11.00 | valdyn | Sakunix: till xorg 7.2 or even 7.3, yes |
| 11:11.09 | Sakunix | ahh |
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| 11:11.26 | Sakunix | so on this Dinosaur alt-ctlr-backspace it is |
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| 11:12.32 | vick | anybody had simmiliar problem with grub ? |
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| 11:20.21 | ArvidVanEssche | ?ipw |
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| 11:20.59 | ArvidVanEssche | hi i'm new with debian, can someone tell me if the ipw2200 drivers are standard in debian? |
| 11:21.09 | xingu | !ipw2200 |
| 11:21.09 | dpkg | ipw2200 is probably a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 11:22.03 | ArvidVanEssche | thanks |
| 11:22.57 | ArvidVanEssche | !ipw2200 firmware |
| 11:22.57 | dpkg | methinks ipw2200 firmware is If your kernel is < 2.6.15, make sure you have the ipw2200 module installed. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download firmware that matches your driver version. Put the firmware into /lib/firmware. You will need to have udev or hotplug installed to load the firmware. |
| 11:23.25 | Sakunix | I am getting 404 Not Found and 403 Forbidden error message when I try to use apt-get |
| 11:23.29 | Sakunix | any suggestions? |
| 11:23.52 | xand | Sakunix: apt-get update |
| 11:24.00 | xand | if that fails, you need a different mirror |
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| 11:24.22 | Sakunix | kk |
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| 11:26.43 | baggend | Has anyone here had any luck with using nspluginwrapper on an amd64 system to load the Flash plugin? |
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| 11:32.04 | ebw | How are the packages named, containing rfc's ? |
| 11:35.22 | liable | ebw: tried 'apt-cache search rfc' ?? |
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| 11:37.51 | ebw | hmm, they are all in unstable |
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| 11:39.51 | I-kido | on Debian Etch, I can't get a real transparant Terminal, but the fake one. Can someone pls tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 11:40.46 | I-kido | P.S: the issue is on beryl... |
| 11:41.20 | h3sp4wn | ask #beryl |
| 11:41.28 | I-kido | ok |
| 11:41.51 | h3sp4wn | baggend: Its a pain to get it to compile but it does work |
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| 11:42.39 | baggend | h3sp4wn: Well I found some pre-built debs, and they work great. BUT, I can't get it to work with pulseaudio. I get video, but no sound. And I'm guessing it's because there are no pulseaudio ia32 compat plugins. |
| 11:43.40 | h3sp4wn | baggend: Is the source available for the deb's or were they made with alien or checkinstall |
| 11:44.05 | baggend | h3sp4wn: The source is available. He's waiting for a sponsor right now. Let me dig up the link. |
| 11:44.50 | baggend | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-mentors@lists.debian.org/msg48504.html |
| 11:44.54 | h3sp4wn | baggend: Thanks |
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| 11:48.44 | liable | beryl is in debian-x svn fyi |
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| 11:50.12 | baggend | liable: 0.1.4 or something newer? |
| 11:50.26 | liable | the beryl svn also compiles easily if you try it |
| 11:50.44 | liable | baggend: dunno, i used beryl svn last about 2 months ago |
| 11:51.05 | liable | \i have dialup and am reluctently holding all upgrades atm |
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| 11:51.44 | baggend | I've been using 0.1.4 built from the debian-x git repository for about a month now, but I want to get 0.1.9 for some of the new plugins. Last I tried though the 0.1.4 package didn't cleanly work with the 0.1.9 sources. |
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| 11:53.08 | jvm | hi. if i create a backup of my system partition with dd while the system is running, will the backup be damaged because some files may've changed during the backup? |
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| 11:53.42 | liable | why use dd? |
| 11:53.49 | peppe | jvm: yes |
| 11:53.50 | liable | why not just create a tar? |
| 11:53.54 | h3sp4wn | jvm: You should do it on an unmounted disk if you are going to do it |
| 11:54.07 | peppe | jvm: you can do dd on an unmounted partition |
| 11:54.08 | jvm | ok... |
| 11:54.33 | xingu | definitely fubar if it's a journalled fs rw mounted |
| 11:54.50 | xingu | probably fubar in other cases; block layer and vfs are not necessarily coherent |
| 11:55.27 | liable | 6'bout bloody time! |
| 11:55.36 | jvm | i didn't update my system a long time. the update now will be very big. i want to be sure that i can switch back to the old system if something goes wrong. i thought a complete system backup would be more sensefull than a tar-backup. |
| 11:55.54 | peppe | jvm: you can also use filesystem/lvm-specific programs (e.g. xfsdump, lvm snapshots...) |
| 11:56.14 | xingu | yes, it's a perfect use-case for a snapshot |
| 11:56.19 | xingu | providing he's already using lvm |
| 11:56.39 | xingu | and providing snapshots don't have too many bugs these days ;) |
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| 11:57.04 | peppe | jvm: using dd is also not a good idea because it backups unused sectors too |
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| 11:57.20 | jvm | i've no idea what lvm is... |
| 11:57.51 | peppe | jvm: did you give a look to "mondo"? |
| 11:58.16 | jvm | no? |
| 11:58.44 | liable | theres plenty backup software out there |
| 11:58.48 | jvm | i would like to create regulary backups while my system is running... |
| 11:58.55 | jvm | i use rsync already |
| 11:58.56 | Suprano_ | where do i het aclocal from '? |
| 11:58.58 | Suprano_ | *Get |
| 11:59.01 | liable | its just really fucking hard to decide what you want to use :) |
| 11:59.17 | jvm | but i thought that for this purpose it would be usefull to've a complete partition backup |
| 11:59.42 | liable | Suprano_: autoconf iirc |
| 11:59.55 | jvm | if i update my system now and something goes wrong, can i just rm all files on the harddisk and cp the old files from the backup partition to my system partition? |
| 11:59.56 | liable | eh, automake |
| 12:00.36 | xingu | jvm: mindi/mondo is designed for disaster recovery. |
| 12:00.53 | jvm | i will take a look at it. |
| 12:01.05 | xingu | speaking of which, I guess it's time for me to install and configure the damn thing locally |
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| 12:01.36 | jvm | but theoretically, if i have a rsync backup already, can i use it to restore a damaged system? (damaged in the sense of...files with content which doesn't fit) |
| 12:01.41 | h3sp4wn | jvm: If you have enough space on the backup partition you can just (from a live cd) do something like - cd /mnt/image; tar -cpf - --numeric-owner . | (cd /mnt/logical; tar -xvpf -) |
| 12:02.05 | h3sp4wn | jvm: (I use that to move xen's that are in images to lvm partitions) |
| 12:02.15 | xingu | jvm: yes, you might need your partition table layout too - sfdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 12:02.34 | xingu | h3sp4wn: bye bye xattr's |
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| 12:02.51 | jvm | xingu: what can i do with the partition table layout? the partition table shouldn't be damaged during a system update, or not? |
| 12:02.57 | h3sp4wn | xingu: I don't use them maybe I should |
| 12:03.03 | xingu | jvm: nobody expects the spanish inquisition |
| 12:03.18 | jvm | xingu: hehe. ok. |
| 12:03.25 | peppe | jvm: also you might have to reinstall the boot loader |
| 12:03.53 | liable | jvm: partition tables are stored in the boot sector |
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| 12:04.07 | liable | pretty much untouched mostly |
| 12:04.30 | jvm | xingu: ok. reinstalling the bootloader is easy. if something goes wrong it's most likely that some files on the system partition are damaged. will it work if i do "rm -Rf /mnt/system && cp -r /mnt/backup/* /mnt/system/"? |
| 12:04.46 | Suprano_ | liable i searched for the file aclocal in the debian repos, and it does not exit :/ |
| 12:04.54 | Suprano_ | exists |
| 12:05.04 | liable | Suprano_: automake |
| 12:05.04 | Suprano_ | ./generate.sh: line 1: aclocal: command not found |
| 12:05.08 | h3sp4wn | Suprano_: Its in automake |
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| 12:05.27 | Suprano_ | but then the file should be found , or ? |
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| 12:06.09 | liable | Suprano_: do you have automake installed? |
| 12:06.43 | Suprano_ | oh.. i though i had, but is was autoconf |
| 12:06.59 | Suprano_ | well getting it atm |
| 12:06.59 | xingu | jvm: ~probably; you're just expanded every sparse file on the system and lost your xattr's if any |
| 12:08.24 | jvm | xingu: ok. thank you. |
| 12:08.35 | jvm | xingu: i will come back when nothing works anymore ;) |
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| 12:10.45 | xingu | I'll give you a full refund ;) |
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| 12:11.28 | liable | ah, about 356 charactors on irc? |
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| 12:15.52 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:15.53 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 12:17.55 | waspius | hello.can someone tell me how i can setup my mouse on my laptop(touchpad) so that i can select items without using the buttons? |
| 12:18.09 | liable | tap it? |
| 12:18.14 | waspius | yes |
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| 12:18.26 | liable | isnt there a synaptic package for it? |
| 12:18.33 | liable | or similar |
| 12:18.35 | waspius | i dont know |
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| 12:19.40 | liable | dunno, i hate my touchpad and disable it |
| 12:19.45 | sts | hello folks! just a question: when i want to create a custom version of a debian package, should i call it like the debian package to sadisfy the dependencies of other packages or should I rather rename it to a new unique name? |
| 12:19.46 | peppe | lol |
| 12:19.57 | waspius | lol |
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| 12:20.07 | krnl`- | hi |
| 12:20.35 | peppe | sts: the answer is inside your question :P |
| 12:20.50 | sts | ok |
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| 12:21.25 | liable | sts: packages generally want > or < so.. |
| 12:21.41 | krnl`- | i have a system with 64bit cpu and with a 32 bit kernel. i have to upgrade it to 64 bit kernel. how can i do that? couldnt find some howtos. |
| 12:21.54 | waspius | ok another question. when using ubuntu or other distros i had allot of repos in my sourcelist which i added universe and multiverse etc..do i need to do anything similar here or not? |
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| 12:22.15 | peppe | krnl`-: you can't "dist-ugprade" to a 64-bit system -- you've to reinstall the whole system |
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| 12:22.43 | liable | waspius: contrib and non-free give you pretty much everything, and also debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:22.52 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 12:23.04 | sts | liable: what do you mean with this? |
| 12:23.19 | dererk | Anyone who tried XenMan on Etch had a "memory shrinking" error? |
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| 12:24.43 | liable | sts: they are after version more than blah or more than or equal to blah |
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| 12:25.09 | liable | sts: so it needs to be blah-foo |
| 12:25.17 | liable | !nmg |
| 12:25.17 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 12:25.22 | liable | sts: ^^ |
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| 12:26.11 | liable | sts: check out the new maintainers guide |
| 12:26.34 | sts | liable: you mean the dependencies set in other packages are set to a specific package version? |
| 12:26.58 | peppe | sts: maybe |
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| 12:27.27 | Oins | Can anyone help me with nvidia? I try to install the drivers from the nvidia page and get the following error: "Unable to determinate the version of the kernel source located in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build ..." What goes wrong? linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 is installed. |
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| 12:27.39 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:27.39 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 12:27.42 | m6502 | hello; to switch from sarge to etch i was told to do basically just a %s/sarge/etch/ on /etc/apt/source.list; but i see a lot of "stable"... should i change them to "testing" too ? |
| 12:27.53 | liable | sts: well, not all, but some need a depends on package foo newer than version blah |
| 12:27.54 | sts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:28.33 | qudama | does anyone know, how to format USB flash disk ? |
| 12:28.37 | sts | liable: ok, i understand. so you'd rather suggest to incement the version number? |
| 12:28.57 | liable | sts: or just append something to version number |
| 12:28.57 | peppe | sts: read the NMG; a dependency can be just a package name, or a versioned package name (with a comparison operator, eg foo (> 1.2.3)) |
| 12:29.09 | sts | liable: i just want to customize the apache package to change the way suexec is compiled. |
| 12:29.17 | liable | sts: its in the guide. read it, its quite good |
| 12:29.32 | sts | liable: i already know a little of the guide |
| 12:30.01 | sts | liable: but i don't want to become a maintainer, i just want to patch updated debian packages with my custom options... |
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| 12:30.07 | liable | sts: you can change the rules file and compile without doing anything if you like.. |
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| 12:30.21 | Oins | xingu: thank you, i will try this. |
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| 12:30.26 | peppe | sts: basically what you want is to rename package foo version 1.2.3 to version 1.2.3-sts1 |
| 12:30.31 | sts | liable: yeah. thats what i was planning to do. |
| 12:31.03 | dererk | Uhm, nobody with Xen as I can see :\ |
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| 12:32.31 | sts | peppe: but that won't sadisfy the dependencies of other packages if this package is installed, right? |
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| 12:33.32 | liable | sure it will |
| 12:34.02 | peppe | xingu: why m-a prepare before m-a a-i nvidia? doesn't m-a a-i invoke "prepare" also? |
| 12:34.15 | liable | no |
| 12:34.49 | sts | liable: ah, so the dependencies don't depend on the package version, instead they just look for the program's version. |
| 12:35.27 | peppe | sts: that won't satisfy a dependency against foo == 1.2.3, but if something requires foo >= 1.23 or foo <= 1.2.4 that will be ok |
| 12:35.30 | sts | liable: like apache2-2.2.3-3.2, a dependency would just depent on: apache2-2.2.3 but not 3.2 |
| 12:35.37 | Oins | I try to remove the nvidia-glx-legacy package with <apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-legacy> and get the following error: "rm: Can't remove /usr/lib/libGL.so: File not found". How can i remove the package? |
| 12:35.47 | liable | sts: the version is dependant. if it want 1.2.3 and you give it 1.2.3-foo you should be right |
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| 12:36.34 | liable | Oins: 'touch /usr/lib/libGL.so' |
| 12:36.41 | liable | then remove |
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| 12:39.18 | Oins | liable: Now i get a new error: "dpkg-divert: Renaming from /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 with /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa not allowed". Can you help me with this error too? |
| 12:40.48 | liable | Oins: nope. try man dpkg-divert |
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| 12:41.47 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 12:41.50 | krnl`- | do you know about distribution that comes with a 64 bit kernel 2.4 ? |
| 12:41.55 | Oins | liable: ok, thank you for your help |
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| 12:42.08 | liable | Oins: sorry i cant help further |
| 12:42.23 | liable | krnl`-: i dont think any do 2.4 in 64 |
| 12:42.42 | Oins | liable: no problem, thank you |
| 12:42.46 | VImtermute | bac |
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| 12:50.22 | g00se | Is it possible to use LVM 'after the fact'- i.e. when there's already a working FS mounted? |
| 12:50.38 | liable | oh dear, i just sprayed a cockroach, it ran along the wall and was big enough to make the curtins move.. |
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| 12:50.57 | sepski | g00se, if you have spare space on your harddive you can create that as lvm. |
| 12:51.16 | g00se | What and copy things over? |
| 12:51.57 | sts | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.30 | karmatronic | g00se: to use LVM , your partitions must be of a certain type |
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| 12:52.49 | g00se | Of type lvm? |
| 12:52.50 | karmatronic | g00se: so as long as you have available partitions on a disk , you can use LVM with them |
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| 12:53.42 | Oins | I try to remove nvidia-glx-legacy and get the follwing error http://phpfi.com/207791 Can anyone help me? |
| 12:54.03 | karmatronic | g00se: yes |
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| 12:54.26 | g00se | AFAIK they have to be mounted as type lvm. Trouble is, they're already mounted as ext3 |
| 12:54.29 | peppe | Oins: hm... try to reinstall and remove it again |
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| 12:55.59 | karmatronic | Oins: maybe link /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
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| 12:56.27 | sidjster | anyones athlon run hot? |
| 12:56.28 | Oins | peppe: This does not work. I already tried :( |
| 12:57.08 | sidjster | my 2800+ is 60c when its warm inside |
| 12:57.44 | Oins | karmatronic: After that i get the dpkg-divert error again.. any clue? |
| 12:58.01 | peppe | sidjster: an athlon is hot by definition; what athlon are you talking about exactly? athlon 64? |
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| 12:58.23 | peppe | Oins: dunno, see man dpkg-divert and try to make it happy |
| 12:58.24 | sidjster | i just said my 2800+ |
| 12:58.27 | chemaja | ma3x, i want to use an existing up-to-date etch install's pre-downloaded .deb files to `apt-get upgrade' the new machine with. I'm guessing i just need to scp /etc/apt and /var/{lib,cache}/apt from the old machine to the new machine and then run `apt-get upgrade' on the new machine. True? |
| 12:58.42 | chemaja | sorry ma3x that wasn't specifically to you, typo |
| 12:58.59 | chemaja | channel ^^ :-) |
| 12:59.19 | chemaja | this is just a one-off upgrade, i dont want to set up an apt repo |
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| 12:59.36 | sidjster | after bios update temps went up 10c |
| 12:59.38 | litage_ | which CLI app tells you which key is being pressed? i always forget its name.. |
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| 13:00.04 | peppe | sidjster: but it is an athlon 64, isn't it? |
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| 13:00.11 | karmatronic | litage_: xmopmap |
| 13:00.12 | sidjster | but i need the update for sata raid otherwise is corrupts easy |
| 13:00.15 | karmatronic | litage_: xmodmap |
| 13:00.23 | sidjster | no |
| 13:00.37 | sidjster | 3200+ started 64 |
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| 13:01.06 | sidjster | i dont think there is a 2800+ a64 |
| 13:01.21 | sidjster | barton core |
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| 13:01.26 | peppe | sidjster: actually 2800+ is the slowest amd64 |
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| 13:01.40 | manup | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.45 | peppe | sidjster: yours is then an athlon xp? |
| 13:01.48 | seriouslycgi | arrrrrh help i have no panels im totally lost |
| 13:01.50 | sidjster | well mine is barton |
| 13:02.07 | sidjster | yes xp 2800 barton |
| 13:02.07 | litage_ | karmatronic: mmm that's not the one. xmodmap is used to make modifications to your keyboard; i just want to find out what is generated when i press a certain key |
| 13:02.37 | manup | litage, xev |
| 13:02.48 | manup | litage_, xev |
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| 13:03.25 | litage_ | manup: i just tried xev, but it wasn't displaying key codes |
| 13:04.01 | peppe | sidjster: hm... you can try to use athcool or similar tools. look for the athlon powersaving howto |
| 13:04.18 | manup | litage_, it should... you can use showkey as well. but use this only in real console. |
| 13:04.31 | sidjster | its just hot i got to treat it like a kid with a fever and im sick of it ive had this setup for 4 yrs now and its always been a pain in my neck |
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| 13:05.00 | Oins | Ok, i remove libGL.so.1.2 and now it works :D |
| 13:05.03 | seriouslycgi | help please i have no panels so im stuck in terminal in gnome with no panels |
| 13:05.23 | seriouslycgi | i cant change settings because i have a bad memory |
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| 13:06.05 | manup | seriouslycgi, what about asking in #gnome |
| 13:06.16 | sidjster | gkrellm is pretty sweet |
| 13:06.22 | manup | seriouslycgi, workaround: create a new user and log in as him. |
| 13:06.59 | seriouslycgi | its a resolution problem it wont shift from 60 hz it really messing up my eyes |
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| 13:08.08 | seriouslycgi | default install manup it never had panels to start with :( |
| 13:08.15 | seriouslycgi | even root |
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| 13:08.43 | manup | seriouslycgi, it is a resolution problem? edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 13:09.04 | sidjster | or reconfig x |
| 13:09.18 | manup | shutting my wlan off with ifconfig eth1 down doesnt work. |
| 13:09.37 | manup | it activates about 30 sec. after again. |
| 13:09.44 | manup | how do i shut wlan down? |
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| 13:10.10 | sidjster | can you use init editor? |
| 13:10.48 | liable | manup: wpa-supp is running? |
| 13:10.56 | sidjster | thats how i start and stop some stuff |
| 13:11.05 | liable | how is the iface broght up? |
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| 13:11.47 | manup | liable, dont know. how to check? |
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| 13:12.26 | liable | manup: you have debian installed? |
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| 13:13.18 | manup | liable, yes, with gnomw |
| 13:13.21 | manup | liable, yes, with gnome |
| 13:13.45 | liable | manup: pkill wpa_supplicant |
| 13:14.27 | manup | liable, as root, i assume... |
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| 13:14.43 | liable | yes |
| 13:14.56 | manup | liable, okay, i get no output. |
| 13:15.31 | liable | you wont |
| 13:15.59 | manup | liable, i did no ifconfig eth1 down. |
| 13:16.09 | manup | and now the wlandevice is up again.... |
| 13:16.43 | liable | manup: ps aux|grep wpa |
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| 13:17.10 | defcon8 | how do I disable a module being loaded by hotplug? |
| 13:17.15 | liable | manup: if it just shows your grep, good. then take the iface down with ifconfig |
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| 13:17.33 | liable | !tell defcon8 about blackilst |
| 13:17.37 | manup | liable, yes, only the grep process. |
| 13:17.48 | defcon8 | !tell defcon8 about blacklist |
| 13:17.53 | defcon8 | thanks liable |
| 13:18.09 | manup | liable, i already took the interface down with ifconfig. it starts up again after some seconds. |
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| 13:18.26 | liable | manup: if it comes up again, i suspect a networj config tool |
| 13:18.29 | defcon8 | liable, how do I find out which is loading which? (discover or hotplug) |
| 13:18.35 | [abhishek] | ! debian mirrors |
| 13:18.35 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 13:18.36 | liable | manup: modprobe -r the module for it |
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| 13:18.53 | TTT | hi, i have file /var/lib/dpkg/available corrupted after filesystem failure, how do I reconstruct it or do somethign to make dpkg work again? |
| 13:19.01 | manup | liable, for the wlan there is the module bcm43xx. i try to remove it. |
| 13:19.11 | liable | defcon8: udev does it these days |
| 13:19.38 | defcon8 | liable, there is no blacklist there |
| 13:19.53 | defcon8 | hmm, there is a conf |
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| 13:20.05 | cahoot | TTT: try /sg dpkg available |
| 13:20.05 | liable | TTT: dpkg --clear-avail |
| 13:20.13 | [abhishek] | ! debian etch mirror |
| 13:20.15 | cahoot | TTT: try /msg dpkg available |
| 13:20.22 | TTT | will be done |
| 13:20.30 | TTT | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:20.46 | cahoot | one space too much |
| 13:21.02 | liable | defcon8: read the factoid dpkg gave you |
| 13:21.03 | defcon8 | liable, do I stop modules being loaded throgh udev? |
| 13:21.20 | sts | what is the debian equivalent package name to the usually available package called kernel-headers package? |
| 13:21.25 | defcon8 | oh i get it |
| 13:21.29 | defcon8 | I* |
| 13:21.40 | sts | s/package?/?/ |
| 13:21.52 | liable | sts: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 13:21.59 | peppe | sts: linux-headers-version-architecture |
| 13:22.01 | xand | sts: apt-cache search |
| 13:22.13 | manup | liable, thanks a lot. it seems to work. is this a good way to turn the wlan off? |
| 13:22.14 | peppe | sts: apt-cache search kernel headers will help |
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| 13:22.19 | sts | argh. |
| 13:22.31 | sts | i installed kernel-headers and linux-source. |
| 13:22.49 | liable | manup: ifdown should work if you have it set up in interfaces file |
| 13:23.04 | liable | sts: what kernel do you have? |
| 13:23.53 | sts | liable: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:24.09 | krnl`- | if i have 4 gigabyte memory on a 32bit system with highmem support on, i can only user 1 gigabyte in my program? |
| 13:24.09 | liable | sts: then you need kernel-headers |
| 13:24.12 | sts | liable: the linux headers for this package seem to be no longer available |
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| 13:26.06 | sts | liable: kernel-headers has no installation candidate (obsoleted or is only available from another source) |
| 13:26.06 | liable | sts: 2.6.8 has kernel-headers, not linux-headers |
| 13:26.37 | geo-rge | that's right around the time whenthat changed |
| 13:26.44 | liable | sts: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 13:27.12 | liable | sts: have you got a sarge kernel and are now running etch?? |
| 13:27.17 | geo-rge | so once you have these headers... how do you use them? |
| 13:27.21 | sts | liable: etch |
| 13:27.46 | geo-rge | that would be a yesorno question :) |
| 13:27.47 | liable | sts: get an etch kernel, reboot, install headers an viola |
| 13:27.50 | sts | liable: well i'm running etch |
| 13:28.01 | sts | liable: i dunno if it's a sarge kernel :) |
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| 13:28.07 | liable | sts: well etch never had 2.6.8 |
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| 13:28.30 | TTT | cahoot, liable thanks, it worked |
| 13:28.39 | geo-rge | etch didn't yet exist when sarge decided to settle on 2.6.8 |
| 13:28.42 | sts | liable: which kernel should i install? |
| 13:29.03 | geo-rge | wait, why is he upgrading his kernel again? |
| 13:29.08 | sts | liable: linux-image? |
| 13:29.20 | liable | sts: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:29.41 | sts | geo-rge: because im running an etch system with a sarge kernel. |
| 13:29.42 | liable | its a meta package that will install the latest kernel |
| 13:29.46 | geo-rge | and this would be for what reason, since what he has does seem to work? :) |
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| 13:30.11 | sts | geo-rge: ? |
| 13:30.17 | geo-rge | well that's actually ok: |
| 13:30.27 | liable | geo-rge: are you suggesting he sticks with a 2.6.8 kernel while running etch? |
| 13:30.36 | sts | geo-rge: ok, so where do i get the kernel-header package for the 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 13:30.55 | geo-rge | just becasue you will install this new kernel doesm't mean you have to remove and make unbootable your 2.6.8 |
| 13:30.58 | liable | geo-rge: and where does he get security updates for that kernel with etch? |
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| 13:31.58 | geo-rge | I was thinking his system could stop working so well while he runs the new kernel |
| 13:32.15 | geo-rge | but if he doesn't remove the old one, he can always go back |
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| 13:32.43 | sts | geo-rge: right. |
| 13:32.51 | geo-rge | it's not unsafe, the kernel is well-tested |
| 13:33.26 | manup | which program would you prefer to configure multi-media keys? and is it possible to set an action on any key with Xmodmap? |
| 13:33.33 | liable | so is 2.4 and there are still security upgrades for it... |
| 13:33.39 | beau | I can't get my sound card to work, is there any way besides making a new kernel to get this working? |
| 13:33.50 | beau | I am a n00b |
| 13:34.04 | Oins | !nvidia |
| 13:34.04 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 13:34.25 | beau | my card is not nvidia though |
| 13:34.31 | geo-rge | liable: I was less worried about that, and more concerned that the upgrade would change things |
| 13:35.03 | beau | how do i install a audio device driver? |
| 13:35.09 | geo-rge | beau: it would help them to know what it is, as detailed and specific as possible... this would be informative |
| 13:35.10 | manup | beau, building a kernel isnt that hard. |
| 13:35.18 | liable | geo-rge: i dont quite understand what your concerns are |
| 13:35.18 | beau | ok |
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| 13:35.27 | geo-rge | he has kernel. |
| 13:35.30 | geo-rge | kernel works. |
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| 13:35.35 | beau | what command do i use to see my card? |
| 13:35.36 | geo-rge | why change? |
| 13:35.41 | geo-rge | now understand?? |
| 13:35.50 | liable | geo-rge: but he cant get headers for it |
| 13:35.52 | djr | beau: lspci |
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| 13:36.17 | geo-rge | yes he can :P |
| 13:36.17 | liable | \gbecause he now runs etch |
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| 13:36.21 | liable | geo-rge: why run etch and stick with a sarge kernel? |
| 13:36.31 | liable | thats stupid |
| 13:36.32 | cahoot | beau: do you run srage or etch? |
| 13:36.59 | beau | geo-rge : C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 13:37.19 | sts | liable, geo-rge: meanwhile i'm running on 2.6.18 ;-) |
| 13:37.21 | manup | which program would you prefer to configure multi-media keys? and is it possible to set an action on any key with Xmodmap? |
| 13:37.26 | geo-rge | beau: cool :) that should enable more people to help you |
| 13:37.28 | beau | I have actually found a debian driver for it how do i install the driver? |
| 13:37.52 | liable | manup: xbindkeys |
| 13:37.52 | geo-rge | sts: that's good then :) |
| 13:37.53 | sts | liable: ok so what is the correct kernel-headers package now? |
| 13:38.05 | cahoot | beau: do you run sarge or etch? |
| 13:38.13 | geo-rge | linux-headers-$(uname -r)? |
| 13:38.15 | liable | sts: the one for your new kernel (once you boot into it) |
| 13:38.25 | xingu | you know your system is a little over configured when mondoarchive pulls entirely from fs cache |
| 13:38.28 | geo-rge | setch or argh? |
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| 13:38.56 | sts | liable: i'm already running 2.6.18 |
| 13:39.00 | manup | liable, i once had this tool. if you say it is good, i'll take it again |
| 13:39.08 | beau | cahoot : I never have but willing to learn |
| 13:39.33 | liable | manup: eh, it should do what you want |
| 13:39.46 | geo-rge | sts: are you saying there was never an issue? |
| 13:39.50 | liable | sts: so, get the headers for that... |
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| 13:39.51 | CHeese | usually when installing linux in a server with a FC HBA which is connected to a system storage the HBA driver has to be supported by the installer right? |
| 13:39.59 | cahoot | beau: ok last time - what version of debian do you run? and what kernel? |
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| 13:40.23 | sts | and the correct package is called like? ... linux-headers-$(uname -r)? |
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| 13:40.41 | manup | liable, of course it does. but i am also interessted in a way which comes along with bord-means... without additional programs. |
| 13:40.48 | geo-rge | GooE: things that are used in the process of installing, it would be good if installer supported those |
| 13:40.57 | liable | sts: apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6 |
| 13:41.12 | Zap-W | geo-rge, i dont know never installed to a system storage unit |
| 13:41.19 | beau | cahoot : sorry, I run hhhmmmm how do look up that info, i just DL'ed the install last week |
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| 13:41.26 | liable | manup: i dunno of any, but let me know if you find one :) |
| 13:41.37 | Zap-W | geo-rge, i don't even know if this is what usuually is done |
| 13:41.39 | Zap-W | usually |
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| 13:42.29 | cahoot | beau: look at the output of cat /etc/debian_version and uname -r respectively |
| 13:42.29 | PerfDave | Anybody here got Xen working with Etch's packages? |
| 13:42.31 | Zap-W | maybe the os is installed on a internal hardisk and the storage system is used for other stuff |
| 13:42.40 | geo-rge | well you can boot the installer, try to get to where you can run dmesg, and see if the kernel saw the thing |
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| 13:44.21 | geo-rge | but are you thinking you have to "log into" the device before it will let you do anything? |
| 13:44.43 | sts | thank you guys. |
| 13:44.52 | beau | cahoot : V 3.1 |
| 13:44.58 | jones- | Hello. I'm having a weird problem with all the ./configure in my system. Every time I issue one, it will hang forever at "checking build system type...". I ran it with "sh -x" and found out that it hangs probably because it's calling ./config.guess without arguments (whereas --help says that it would need -t or -v). The system is Debian Sarge. Can anybody please help? |
| 13:45.19 | PerfDave | jones-: What are you trying to ./configure? |
| 13:45.22 | cahoot | beau: the output of uname -r ? |
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| 13:45.34 | wols | run a configure and check with ps aux what processes are running |
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| 13:46.44 | wols | you can see commandline parameters too |
| 13:46.44 | geo-rge | jones-: you might start with apt-get install build-essential |
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| 13:46.44 | wols | it's unlikely that configu.guess hangs you, but something that it calls in turn |
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| 13:46.44 | beau | cahoot : I just typed cat /etc/debian_version in a console as root I dont knoe what uname-r is |
| 13:46.44 | jones- | PerfDave: I've tried several things after it was behaving like that with a program of mine. |
| 13:46.46 | cahoot | beau: type uname -r in a term |
| 13:46.46 | geo-rge | one thing that's in common to configure scripts, is the thing that makes them, m4 and autoconf |
| 13:46.52 | beau | ok |
| 13:46.52 | wols | beau: uname -r. spaces are important |
| 13:46.56 | beau | thanks |
| 13:47.05 | jones- | wols: how can I fing out what's it calling? |
| 13:47.20 | beau | cahoot : 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 13:47.24 | jones- | what it is calling* |
| 13:47.28 | geo-rge | j- aweun |
| 13:47.56 | cahoot | beau: ok so does /proc/asound exist? |
| 13:48.09 | geo-rge | that's what you type if your keyboard is upside down |
| 13:48.09 | beau | just type that in a term? |
| 13:48.22 | beau | or look for the folder? |
| 13:48.34 | cahoot | beau: ls /proc/asound |
| 13:48.37 | geo-rge | well, no, we want to know your kernel |
| 13:48.47 | m6502 | query _benji |
| 13:48.55 | geo-rge | so type uname -r and tell us what it says |
| 13:49.12 | beau | cahoot : no it does not |
| 13:49.13 | liable | he said, 2.4.27 |
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| 13:49.27 | crashev | how many CDs do I need to install base server system based on DEBIAN - I see there are 14 iso CDs ? |
| 13:49.44 | liable | crashev: the netsint will do |
| 13:49.50 | cahoot | beau: ok - what happens if you run cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
| 13:50.11 | crashev | liable: I dont want to install via network for now, want to use only CDs |
| 13:50.11 | djr | heh :p |
| 13:50.15 | PerfDave | crashev: One or fewer |
| 13:50.22 | beau | cahoot : /dev/dsp: No such device |
| 13:50.28 | PerfDave | crashev: Depends what you mean by a "base server system" |
| 13:50.32 | liable | crashev: the netinst has the base system on it |
| 13:50.36 | PerfDave | crashev: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 13:50.41 | liable | crashev: and nothing much else |
| 13:50.46 | manup | liable, thanks for help. |
| 13:50.48 | manup | brb |
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| 13:50.58 | geo-rge | everyone within a block of my house is now wide awake, there are cops everywhere wondering where the explosion came from |
| 13:51.00 | crashev | PerfDave: everything server would need - http servers,openssh and so on...probalby rest will be installed later via apt-get.. |
| 13:51.15 | defcon8 | geo-rge, yeah it's no big deal |
| 13:51.23 | defcon8 | I was around in the istanbul embassy and hsbc bombings |
| 13:51.28 | crashev | PerfDave: reading it right now and got confused with the 14 iso cds ;] |
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| 13:51.34 | beau | cahoot : should I have just typed cat /dev/urandom ? |
| 13:51.34 | PerfDave | crashev: I'm not sure what you mean by "everything server would need". I have several servers that don't run HTTP servers or OpenSSH. |
| 13:51.34 | defcon8 | would you believe that I was playing counter-strike at the time? |
| 13:51.41 | defcon8 | of the embassy bombing |
| 13:51.44 | liable | beau: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:51.51 | cahoot | beau: ok - FYIyou run sarge with a 2.4 kernel and probably by default have OSS as sound system - I don't remeber how to handle that - someone else probably does here |
| 13:52.08 | geo-rge | how nice for you... yuou have a nice story to tell your grandkids |
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| 13:52.11 | jones- | wols: any ideas? |
| 13:52.37 | defcon8 | geo-rge, I do |
| 13:52.48 | defcon8 | "back when I was fighting terrorists" |
| 13:53.03 | liable | ... |
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| 13:53.22 | dav_ | elo |
| 13:53.28 | dav_ | if my box just fereze i don't know even why |
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| 13:53.39 | dav_ | how cld i see why with log file, which log file to use |
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| 13:54.02 | liable | dav_: memtest should be your first stop |
| 13:54.06 | beau | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-pcm-oss |
| 13:54.28 | cahoot | beardy: that's expected as alsa isn't present on your system |
| 13:54.28 | beau | cahoot : so any suggestions? |
| 13:54.41 | liable | beau: bad lead on my part, 2.4 doesnt do alsa by default |
| 13:54.43 | cahoot | beau: ^ |
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| 13:54.45 | geo-rge | "back when I was helping Georgie steal oil from people that were called terrorists for the purpose (his last job involved oil and gas production and spending the money gained thereby) ..." |
| 13:54.47 | Oins | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:54.48 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 13:54.57 | wols | jones-: I already told you. ps aux will tell you |
| 13:55.05 | beardy | oh yeah? |
| 13:55.18 | jones- | wols: ah ok, didn't read that :) |
| 13:55.18 | cahoot | beau: my suggestion would be to install alsa - i e alsa-driver, alsa-utils |
| 13:55.39 | liable | and modules |
| 13:55.41 | wols | beau: actually, install a new kernel. 2.6.x |
| 13:55.49 | dav_ | liable, can't find memtest but it is very very strange... |
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| 13:56.00 | wols | !find memtest86 |
| 13:56.02 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'memtest86' (2): memtest86 ;; memtest86+. |
| 13:56.09 | beau | I have installed alsa, could it be conflicting oss? |
| 13:56.10 | liable | dav_: its in the repos memtest86 |
| 13:56.14 | dav_ | liable, i wansn't doing something special i think abut an attack because snort logs are strange but can't identify it with precisin |
| 13:56.26 | cahoot | beau: how did you install alsa? |
| 13:56.41 | beau | apt-get install |
| 13:56.52 | hark | heh |
| 13:56.58 | cahoot | beau: se if running alsaconf hels you out |
| 13:57.24 | crashev | Does debian has something similar to gentoo's glsa-check - the tool that checks advisory database and the system and shows the list of packages that contains security fiexex and should be upgraded? apt-get can do it? |
| 13:57.29 | jones- | wols: wow, that's now interesting. It's hanging compiling a test c program that just contains the line "int x;", in /tmp/${random_name}/dummy.c |
| 13:57.58 | wols | it hangs in gcc? |
| 13:58.10 | beau | it cant find my card alsaconf |
| 13:58.16 | jones- | wols: siovene 2389 0.0 0.3 13044 1924 pts/13 T 15:55 0:00 cc -c -o /tmp/cgGcHLNl/dummy.o /tmp/cgGcHLNl/dummy.c |
| 13:58.31 | geo-rge | jones-: had you installed build-essential already? |
| 13:58.34 | jones- | wols: this is now being executed for a while. |
| 13:58.43 | jones- | geo-rge: of course. |
| 13:58.59 | cahoot | beau: I suspect you have some oss module for the card loaded - does lsmod list any suspect? |
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| 13:59.07 | geo-rge | hmm... well, something's definitely wrong :) |
| 13:59.21 | jones- | wow I found the problem! |
| 13:59.22 | beau | lsmod |
| 13:59.28 | geo-rge | you did? |
| 13:59.28 | cahoot | beau: right |
| 13:59.29 | beau | ok 1 sec |
| 13:59.36 | geo-rge | what was it |
| 13:59.47 | jones- | haha! there's another "cc" on my system, a custom executable that has nothing to do with the compiler. |
| 13:59.51 | cahoot | beau: you can paste the output on a pastebin |
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| 14:00.05 | dav_ | liable, what is repos memtest86 i can't find it |
| 14:00.09 | cahoot | beau: i e not here |
| 14:00.16 | jones- | It stands for "console client", a workmate of mine wrote it. I'm going to bash him on the company irc channel now :) |
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| 14:00.42 | beau | so i should look for a pci device in those results? |
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| 14:01.09 | Oins | !xorg |
| 14:01.10 | dpkg | i guess xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 14:01.10 | beau | should i paste the results here? |
| 14:01.18 | cahoot | beau: no - on a pastebin |
| 14:01.19 | geo-rge | jones-: glad it worked out (btw you should be able to do CC=gcc ./configure ... |
| 14:01.20 | Oins | !xserver |
| 14:01.21 | geo-rge | ) |
| 14:01.25 | beau | '? |
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| 14:01.34 | Oins | !xserver-xorg |
| 14:01.34 | dpkg | xserver-xorg is, like, On the subject of xserver-xfree86 vs xserver-xorg, gravity says: If you have the option of -xorg, you should choose that |
| 14:01.59 | cahoot | beau: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 14:01.59 | geo-rge | botty potty |
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| 14:02.18 | jones- | geo-rge: no, I just uninstalled that cc and tomorrow i'll beat my colleague to death ;) |
| 14:02.45 | geo-rge | or bill him for the time you spent finding that |
| 14:02.59 | jones- | Yup. |
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| 14:03.57 | beau | ttp://channels.debian.net/paste/5496 |
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| 14:05.11 | geo-rge | I on't se any sound stuff in that listing |
| 14:05.21 | Oins | If i try to start my xserver/gdm i get the following log: http://phpfi.com/207831 with no error. The Monitor is flashing 3 times and after that it's black... What could this be? |
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| 14:05.52 | geo-rge | monitor doesn't like the timing? |
| 14:05.55 | beau | cahoot : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5496 |
| 14:06.21 | cahoot | beau: via82cxxx - that's a module loaded for you sounddevice (I think) |
| 14:07.01 | beau | ok , so any suggesions? |
| 14:07.04 | valdyn | Quintin: fix your font paths in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 14:07.28 | Oins | geo-rge: what's the option i must change in xorg.conf? Everything works fine, after an apt-get upgrade and reboot i get this error |
| 14:07.47 | cahoot | beau: actually I might be really wrong in that assumption |
| 14:07.54 | valdyn | Oins: fix your font paths in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:08.29 | Oins | valdyn: is there a way to do this automatically? |
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| 14:08.52 | cahoot | beau: try modprobe snd-cmipci - any error msg? |
| 14:09.15 | trinity99 | novizio di debian cerca aiuto per cambiare tema su xfce...... |
| 14:09.38 | PerfDave | !it |
| 14:09.39 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 14:09.53 | trinity99 | ok grazie.ù |
| 14:09.56 | beau | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-cmipci |
| 14:10.16 | valdyn | Quintin: /msg dpkg drxx and /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 14:10.40 | valdyn | Oins: /msg dpkg drxx and /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 14:11.35 | cahoot | beau: you're positive you installe alsa-driver? |
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| 14:12.03 | cahoot | beau: err alsa-base |
| 14:12.09 | beau | yes and all the other alsa packages along with it |
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| 14:15.56 | Oins | valdyn: i reconfigured the xserver but i get the same error. after using nv as driver it works. but how can i use nvidia as driver? What could be the error reason ? Any clue? |
| 14:16.15 | beau | cahoot : will changing to gnme make any difference? |
| 14:16.38 | cahoot | beau: no |
| 14:17.38 | cahoot | beau: a 2.6 kernel might possibly simplify - no guarantess though |
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| 14:18.13 | beau | how do i upgrade? |
| 14:18.22 | beau | to 2.6 |
| 14:18.42 | Zao | irchug |
| 14:19.12 | cahoot | beau: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 14:19.34 | cahoot | beau: pick one and apt-get install it |
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| 14:19.58 | beau | what is the actual name of the 2.6 ? |
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| 14:20.18 | beau | ok |
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| 14:21.39 | arturaz | Hey. I'm trying to get graphics with links2 on framebuffer. I get fb by passing vga=0x333 on boot to kernel, however links2 with fb driver displays weird colours. Any ideas where to find problems? |
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| 14:24.26 | rolandlakr | I can't get g++ to run. whenever I try to use aptitude to install it, it tells me there are no packages changed, and when I search for the exe I can't find it. I tried using term to boot it with gpp and g++ but neither turned it on. |
| 14:25.02 | lindenle | Did you try apt-get install g++-4.0? |
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| 14:25.13 | wols | dpkg -L g++ |
| 14:25.13 | lindenle | rloandlakr ^^ |
| 14:25.13 | dpkg | ii g++ 2.6-1 wols's private porn collection |
| 14:25.39 | wols | it's not private! well, a few "special" things maybe... |
| 14:25.54 | enouf | it's like a bad dream ! .. can someone please confirm whether or not the pkg "apt-index-watcher" is appearing at p.d.o (unstable) .. I only see a (un)related file in a pkg called misc/insserv .. what gives? Same thing occured one day with the ia32-libs thing for me ..wtf? |
| 14:26.04 | rolandlakr | lindenle: Yes? |
| 14:26.21 | beau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:26.56 | enouf | beau: if using sarge substitute with kernel-image |
| 14:27.27 | enouf | beau: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 14:27.28 | rolandlakr | E: Couldn't find package g++-4.0 |
| 14:27.34 | rolandlakr | E: Couldn't find package g++-4.0 |
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| 14:27.41 | enouf | whoa... heh |
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| 14:27.57 | enouf | !slap rolandlakr |
| 14:27.57 | rolandlakr | whoops. |
| 14:28.06 | enouf | :-p |
| 14:28.34 | rolandlakr | !slap enouf |
| 14:28.36 | rolandlakr | back at ya. |
| 14:28.38 | rolandlakr | :D |
| 14:28.57 | CharminTheMoose | !abuse bot |
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| 14:29.03 | enouf | don't make me penix you |
| 14:29.36 | lindenle | rolandkr: I have versions 2.95 4.03 and 4.1 is it showing up in apt-cache search? |
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| 14:31.33 | enouf | rolandlakr: apt-cache policy g++ says what? |
| 14:31.53 | alexIdoia | Hi I am trying to only use stfp therefore I have uninstall my ftpserver and install rssh as I have been told that we could chroot user in their home directory |
| 14:32.04 | rolandlakr | Says I have it installed. |
| 14:32.13 | alexIdoia | my question: How this is possible withou |
| 14:32.15 | enouf | rolandlakr: drop the -4.0 in your search - always better to use fewer letters, than more |
| 14:32.17 | alexIdoia | t hassle |
| 14:32.38 | enouf | rolandlakr: which versions, and what's acvailable .. pastebin! |
| 14:32.49 | enouf | !tell rolandlakr about pastebin |
| 14:33.12 | alexIdoia | all the tutorial that I found on the internet are just too difficult,some install package from sid others ask for special compilation |
| 14:33.38 | rolandlakr | g++: |
| 14:33.43 | alexIdoia | is there a simple way of doing this ? |
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| 14:33.47 | alexIdoia | anyone |
| 14:33.58 | rolandlakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.58 | rolandlakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.58 | rolandlakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.58 | rolandlakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.58 | rolandlakr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.10 | rolandlakr | grrr my bad. |
| 14:34.18 | petemc | alexIdoia: apt-cache show scponly |
| 14:34.24 | alexIdoia | ok |
| 14:35.51 | rolandlakr | http://pastebin.ca/371628 |
| 14:35.53 | alexIdoia | petemc, so that would be instead ssh right ? |
| 14:36.01 | alexIdoia | nope rssh I meant |
| 14:36.01 | rolandlakr | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/371628 |
| 14:36.16 | nyty | widgets and gadgets :D |
| 14:36.20 | nyty | lol xD |
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| 14:36.43 | enouf | so what's the problem? you need 4.0 for compiling something else? |
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| 14:37.07 | rolandlakr | no.. it wont run it. |
| 14:37.11 | alexIdoia | petemc, would spconly chroot logged user to their home dir ? |
| 14:37.19 | enouf | won't run what? |
| 14:37.34 | rolandlakr | g++ |
| 14:37.38 | rolandlakr | i can't compile with it. |
| 14:37.50 | petemc | alexIdoia: they wouldnt be allowed to run any apps, why dont you install it and try it out? |
| 14:38.17 | enouf | compile what? and wghy the heck were you searching for 4.0? |
| 14:38.58 | alexIdoia | petemc well that is not really what I want, all I want is to chroot them in their home dir |
| 14:39.26 | alexIdoia | petemc, when you say 'run any apps' that would mean even a simple bc would not be possible ? |
| 14:39.46 | enouf | alexIdoia: you may want to look at UML (UserModeLinux) .. if I understand you .. you want a chroot jail? |
| 14:40.03 | petemc | alexIdoia: im not aware of anything to easily achieve what you want, it can be done |
| 14:40.51 | bzed | alexIdoia: you don't need bc to do sftp or scp |
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| 14:41.04 | alexIdoia | what I want is simple, so far users logon to the system using ftp (proftpd) but I want to use sftp, now when using sftp, they have access to the whole system hierarchy which I don't want, so all I want is to chroot them into their home dir respectively |
| 14:41.08 | bzed | alexIdoia: either you wnt to provide them full shell access, or something crippled |
| 14:41.56 | bzed | alexIdoia: as far as I remember you can use rssh to restrict their sftp and scp actions to their home-directory |
| 14:42.24 | bzed | at least you can restrict them to be allowed to do scp/aft but nothing else |
| 14:42.26 | stew | alexIdoia: you want to use the rssh or scponly packages |
| 14:42.28 | alexIdoia | bzed, that is what I have been told but I can't find a proper tutorial that explain how to do it |
| 14:42.45 | manup | once i could control headphones-vol and many other things with alsamixer. then i set up my system again and now it doesnt work any more.... grep Audio 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
| 14:42.53 | stew | alexIdoia: use one of those two packages and read /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian |
| 14:42.53 | manup | anyone an idea why? |
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| 14:43.52 | geo-rge | manup: pastebin your lspci |
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| 14:44.05 | geo-rge | err no, your lsmod |
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| 14:44.24 | wols | I need screen (or something similar) to allow connections to the same session from two different clients at the same time. Is there a way |
| 14:44.33 | lindenle | vnc? |
| 14:44.44 | manup | geo-rge, or both? |
| 14:44.52 | wols | ascreen. over ssh, no GUI |
| 14:44.58 | bzed | screen |
| 14:44.59 | lindenle | wols: yI think you can do a shared session in screen too |
| 14:45.00 | geo-rge | well you just pasted your lspci |
| 14:45.08 | wols | I already run screen |
| 14:45.11 | geo-rge | but anyway someone will be along |
| 14:45.27 | wols | but when I connect from the lappy I have to (forcefully) disconnect the desktop and vice versa |
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| 14:45.35 | geo-rge | just remember to make it easy for anyone to help you |
| 14:45.42 | wols | I want to connect from both at the same time but only use one at the same time |
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| 14:45.54 | manup | geo-rge, http://pastebin.ca/371635 |
| 14:46.10 | rolandlakr | How do you run g++? |
| 14:46.16 | geo-rge | g++ |
| 14:46.30 | stew | wols: you want something different than "screen -x"? |
| 14:46.38 | zinx | geo-rge++ |
| 14:46.55 | lindenle | wols: http://muse.19inch.net/~daf/misc/multiuser-screen.html |
| 14:46.56 | wols | screen -x means I disconnect one. I want both connected (if possible) |
| 14:47.18 | stew | wols: no, screen -x doesn't disconnect anything |
| 14:47.31 | geo-rge | see: info g++, look at invoking |
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| 14:47.49 | bzed | rolandlakr: what d you really want to do? |
| 14:48.05 | wols | lindenle: thank you |
| 14:48.20 | lindenle | wols: np |
| 14:48.21 | alexIdoia | stew, nothing is said about how to achieve the chroot in the docs of rssh |
| 14:48.21 | wols | stew: lindenle's link just made a little wiser. thanks |
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| 14:48.32 | alexIdoia | stew, this is really frustrating |
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| 14:48.43 | lindenle | wols: SCREEN is awesome |
| 14:48.58 | stew | alexIdoia: rssh doesn't create a chroot. scponly does. |
| 14:49.11 | geo-rge | uaaj)s s! se |
| 14:49.23 | wols | lets hope I don't need two user accounts |
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| 14:49.44 | rolandlakr | bzed: I want to know how to use g++, I have no idea. |
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| 14:50.02 | lindenle | rolandlakr: man g++ |
| 14:50.03 | geo-rge | rolandlakr: learn the parts of a c compiler |
| 14:50.08 | lindenle | !rtfm |
| 14:50.08 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 14:50.20 | geo-rge | info g++ (but these docs are probably in non-free) |
| 14:50.31 | alexIdoia | stew, ok this does not tell me how to install that |
| 14:50.37 | lindenle | geo-rge: Really? |
| 14:50.37 | HardDisk_WP | Konnte http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/source/SourcesIndex nicht holen MD5-Summe stimmt nicht |
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| 14:50.51 | HardDisk_WP | something is wrong with the us mirror |
| 14:51.07 | stew | alexIdoia: apt-get install scponly ; read /usr/share/doc/scponly/README ; iirc there is a script to setup the chroot in /usr/share/doc/scponly/examples |
| 14:51.12 | rolandlakr | geo-rge: i know how to use a compiler.. I used one for windows, but I can't get g++ to open to learn anything about it. |
| 14:51.12 | geo-rge | you try looking into it and you see them instead of us?? |
| 14:51.30 | geo-rge | "open" |
| 14:51.33 | geo-rge | define. |
| 14:51.35 | lindenle | rolandlakr: it is a command line utility |
| 14:51.44 | lindenle | rolandlakr: you i guess are used to visual studio |
| 14:51.46 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: apt-get update && apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 14:51.56 | geo-rge | rolandlakr: info g++ |
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| 14:52.12 | rolandlakr | lindenle: How to you open it? so I can get a feel for it. |
| 14:52.23 | rolandlakr | lindenle: I can't find that little peice of info. |
| 14:52.30 | geo-rge | rolandlakr: there is no "open" |
| 14:52.56 | rolandlakr | lindenle: Then, how do you use it. |
| 14:52.57 | lindenle | rolandlakr: it is a command line compiler, what u are used to is a visual developement environment |
| 14:52.57 | geo-rge | rolandlakr: info g++ |
| 14:53.18 | rolandlakr | lindenle: Okay, I have a tiny little peice of c++ sitting here. |
| 14:53.18 | geo-rge | g++ something.cc |
| 14:53.27 | geo-rge | filename? |
| 14:53.27 | rolandlakr | lindenle: and I decide to compile it. |
| 14:53.35 | rolandlakr | lindenle: The way I would do that is? |
| 14:53.37 | geo-rge | filename? |
| 14:53.40 | bzed | rolandlakr: if you want something like vidual studio you could install eclipse with the c/c++ extensions for example. |
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| 14:54.12 | lindenle | rolandlakr: g++ -o name.bin name.cc |
| 14:54.21 | arturaz | part |
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| 14:54.39 | bzed | rolandlakr: in linux there's nothign weird like a text editor with integrated complier. there're X compilers and Y editors, you just use what you like |
| 14:54.53 | bzed | or need |
| 14:54.58 | lindenle | bzed: Umm yeah emacs is an IDE |
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| 14:55.08 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, didnt help, debian-archive-keyring is already newest version... |
| 14:55.10 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.12 | geo-rge | rolandlakr: what is the name of the file where this little piece of c++ is? |
| 14:55.18 | rolandlakr | weee dependencies like hell. |
| 14:55.26 | bzed | lindenle: yeahm that scheme thingy, too :P |
| 14:55.30 | rolandlakr | geo-rge: don't worry about it, i'll do what bzed mentioned. |
| 14:55.34 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, this error haunts me for ~1 week now, but my last modification was 3 weeks ago... |
| 14:55.34 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: paste the error somewhere .. in english |
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| 14:55.54 | bzed | rolandlakr: there're a lot of good IDEs for linux... |
| 14:56.08 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, hmm...works now...strange. |
| 14:56.17 | geo-rge | rolandlakr: that won't let you reach your goal.. to learn to use g++ |
| 14:56.22 | lindenle | bzed: NO C++, C, Fortran...anything...calling Emacs an editor is quite understated... |
| 14:56.23 | bzed | rolandlakr: if eclipse is too heavy for you, you could look into anjuta or kdevelop |
| 14:56.37 | rolandlakr | kk |
| 14:56.41 | lindenle | bzed: I was just looking those up to tell him nice work |
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| 14:57.01 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: have fun |
| 14:57.04 | bzed | lindenle: emacs is an editor on bad dope ;) |
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| 14:57.10 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, :DDD |
| 14:57.22 | lindenle | bzed: Emacs is an operating system with an inferiority complex ;) |
| 14:57.42 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: by the way .. there are quite a few german mirrors |
| 14:57.42 | rolandlakr | Hopefully that shuts my dependencies up. |
| 14:57.47 | bzed | lindenle: they should add a kernel and replace linux ;) |
| 14:57.52 | bzed | rolandlakr: what dependencies? |
| 14:57.52 | geo-rge | rolandlakr: imagine if the graphic user interface you see before you didn't exist... how do you think a compiler could be used then? |
| 14:58.06 | Zao | geo-rge: Magic. |
| 14:58.07 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, they are slower than the US ones here |
| 14:58.10 | archville | Hi, i've downloaded the latest Etch weekly images. ¿ How do i check what kernel is shipped ? I need it to download the linux-headers and build a kernel module after installing. |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you've tested with apt-spy ? |
| 14:58.27 | bzed | archville: uname -r |
| 14:58.31 | geo-rge | so I was magical for the first two years I was running linux |
| 14:58.46 | archville | bzed, i mean before installing, i won't have internet until i build the module |
| 14:58.50 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, nope, but I watched during installation of openoffice (32 mb...) |
| 14:58.51 | jetscreamer | archville: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ` not ' |
| 14:58.58 | lindenle | geo-rge: Imagine...what is that .... |
| 14:59.00 | enouf | wols: just to throw out another "possible" option to ya, though not sure it's what you want.. http://dtach.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:59.07 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: uhm .. ok |
| 14:59.24 | geo-rge | think about it |
| 14:59.25 | archville | jetscreamer, i can't do it, i need to download it before installing (It's the wireless driver), so i can then have internet |
| 14:59.44 | bzed | archville: ah ok. well, mount the cd, find the pool directory and search for the linux-image-*.deb files |
| 14:59.48 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, btw, how do I make a debian package of kernel 2.6.20? |
| 14:59.59 | lindenle | enouf: dtach looks very interesting...wonder how it would work with ROOT |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | !tell HardDisk_WP about kp |
| 15:00.07 | geo-rge | archville: that so? :) by that logic, I'll have to ask you how you are now reading this very statement :) |
| 15:00.10 | archville | bzed, thanks, i was searching, i didn't figure about the pool directory :) |
| 15:00.15 | HardDisk_WP | ok thx abrotman |
| 15:00.21 | bzed | !tell HardDisk_WP about make-kpkg |
| 15:00.31 | archville | geo-rge, now i'm on another machine :) |
| 15:00.54 | enouf | lindenle: i really couldn't say .. apologies .. only read about it, haven't used it yet |
| 15:01.05 | geo-rge | it got cd burner or floppy? |
| 15:01.19 | bzed | archville: you'll need a compiler, though. I doubt that's shipped on the network installer |
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| 15:01.34 | archville | bzed, i'll use the iso images, not the netinst |
| 15:01.39 | jetscreamer | someting tells me it's not a netinst |
| 15:01.40 | bzed | archville: ah ok |
| 15:02.15 | jetscreamer | is this for sarge? |
| 15:02.24 | jetscreamer | go etch if it's a desktop |
| 15:02.26 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, and when i did this, only run update-grub and all works? |
| 15:02.27 | bzed | archville: you could build the right kernel module for the installer's kernel before, put it on a floppy and load it while isntalling |
| 15:02.28 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 15:02.49 | bzed | archville: but cd1 should work well |
| 15:02.55 | archville | bzed, but i would need exactly that kernel installed here |
| 15:03.00 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: the package should do it for you |
| 15:03.08 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 15:03.12 | bzed | archville: no, you'd just need the sources ;) |
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| 15:03.24 | archville | nice :) |
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| 15:03.28 | Wo0lverine | hi folks |
| 15:03.34 | geo-rge | or even just the headers |
| 15:03.35 | NefariousPrior | Does iceweasel not have the ability to automaticly find plugins like flash ? |
| 15:03.41 | archville | NefariousPrior, yes |
| 15:03.54 | bzed | archville: yeah, as geo-rge said - usually the headers are enough :) |
| 15:04.09 | NefariousPrior | that sucks, kinda, well maybe not. idk |
| 15:04.13 | archville | Anyway, i've checked the pool directory and there are already headers there on the first CD |
| 15:04.35 | Wo0lverine | please does somebody know how to use guarddog with amule ? i had open the good ports inside but i stay in low_id... |
| 15:04.42 | krnl`- | i've got a 32bit linux system with kernel 2.4. sometimes i get St9bad_allocation error, and program terminates. it is when program uses over 1 gigabyte of memory. is it because of the amount of memory i try to use or something else? |
| 15:05.14 | abrotman | krnl`-: is it debian ? |
| 15:05.33 | krnl`- | yes |
| 15:05.49 | bzed | krnl`-: how much free memory do you have? |
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| 15:06.19 | krnl`- | i have enough in swap |
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| 15:06.35 | slipttees | hi all |
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| 15:06.59 | slipttees | i am using sarge and have problem with pendrive/mp3player |
| 15:06.59 | abrotman | krnl`-: did you google the error ? |
| 15:07.00 | slipttees | :( |
| 15:07.02 | jeffwheeler | I find that GParted spends a very long time "Scanning All Devices." Is it supposed to take this long (like, maybe >10 minutes)? If so, can I restrict it to only the tiny drive that I actually care about? |
| 15:07.12 | abrotman | slipttees: do we get more info ? |
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| 15:07.26 | slipttees | abrotman: no mount pendrive |
| 15:07.28 | slipttees | :( |
| 15:07.30 | daxxar | What's the difference between the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ (bad_list and blacklist, e.g.) |
| 15:07.37 | abrotman | !tell slipttees about vfatrw |
| 15:07.42 | abrotman | !tell slipttees about usb storage |
| 15:07.43 | slipttees | abrotman: ? |
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| 15:07.57 | krnl`- | abrotman, yes i try to find solution since yesterday contnuous. |
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| 15:08.27 | slipttees | abrotman: partition usb? |
| 15:08.29 | jeffwheeler | Gparted just spends forever trying to scan my main drive... when I only care about resizing a partition on my thumb drive. |
| 15:09.45 | bzed | krnl`-: as far as I remember that error jsut means you run out of memory. which program is it? |
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| 15:10.29 | krnl`- | bzed, its an own science program that needs about 1,5 gbyte memory. i have to change (i guess) the kernel |
| 15:10.39 | krnl`- | to give the process more than 1 gbyte of memory |
| 15:10.42 | daxxar | Are all the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ parsed equivilantly, and alphabetically? |
| 15:10.49 | daxxar | No matter what they're named. |
| 15:10.53 | bzed | krnl`-: how much memory does your system have? |
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| 15:11.33 | krnl`- | 4 gbyte |
| 15:11.45 | krnl`- | there is enough free memory but kernel doesnt allow to process |
| 15:12.24 | abrotman | krnl`-: paste the output of 'free' |
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| 15:12.31 | slipttees | abrotman: automount usb? |
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| 15:12.38 | abrotman | slipttees: what about it ? |
| 15:12.41 | sidjster | pepsi and 3 day old chicken mm mmm good |
| 15:12.42 | abrotman | slipttees: ivman ? |
| 15:12.49 | Math^ | hello, im trying to install debian etch, but he cant find the network-card |
| 15:12.53 | abrotman | sidjster: you could have let it grow up a bit |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | Math^: what kind of network card? |
| 15:13.08 | archville | later |
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| 15:13.30 | Math^ | abrotman: it is an argosy |
| 15:13.36 | abrotman | chipset ? |
| 15:13.39 | bzed | krnl`-: in which programming language is the program written in? |
| 15:13.46 | krnl`- | c/c++ |
| 15:13.58 | krnl`- | i allocate memory with malloc but an exception is created |
| 15:13.58 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:13.58 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:14.12 | Math^ | abrotman: well i know he worked before with the realteak 8139too drivers |
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| 15:14.19 | lampyris | hello |
| 15:14.26 | abrotman | Math^: maybe it works now with 8139cp? |
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| 15:14.40 | Math^ | lets try |
| 15:14.44 | krnl`- | abrotman, it gives an St9bad_alloc exception |
| 15:14.45 | bzed | krnl`-: bad_allocation is probably interesting to read for you |
| 15:14.51 | abrotman | krnl`-: running 'free' does ? |
| 15:14.54 | peppe | krnl`-: actually you can use more than 1GB of memory in a process. check your code (or your kernel config)... |
| 15:15.02 | lampyris | in which repository can i found opera? |
| 15:15.09 | abrotman | lampyris: opera.com |
| 15:15.15 | Math^ | abrotman: not realy |
| 15:15.20 | abrotman | !tell lampyris about opera |
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| 15:15.32 | abrotman | Math^: neither works ? |
| 15:15.34 | krnl`- | abrotman, i dont know when it happens, i have my program with -g compiled but core file doenst give useable information |
| 15:15.38 | bzed | krnl`-: probably you jsut want to run it in gdb to find the problem |
| 15:15.48 | abrotman | krnl`-: so it's only your program that doesn't work ? |
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| 15:16.24 | Math^ | abrotman: im gonna try it again, i pulled out the network-card to see what kind it is |
| 15:16.26 | enouf | bzed: abrotman do you think it has anything to do with the /Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting (so-called mmap bomb).. or does this only pertain to 2.6 kernels |
| 15:16.46 | abrotman | enouf: NFC .. |
| 15:16.57 | enouf | bzed: abrotman as it pertains to krnl`- .. ok |
| 15:17.06 | abrotman | i personally don't know |
| 15:17.10 | slipttees | abrotman: thanks male :D |
| 15:17.12 | enouf | gotcha |
| 15:17.19 | slipttees | abrotman: ;-* |
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| 15:17.40 | abrotman | enouf: at first i thought it might be because his 2.4 kernel only sees 1GB of RAM .. but he won't paste 'free' for us to see |
| 15:17.58 | enouf | abrotman: ah ... I see |
| 15:18.06 | bzed | krnl`-: paste the output of free. please |
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| 15:18.32 | enouf | krnl`-: also paste the output of cat /proc/meminfo |
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| 15:18.41 | bzed | !paste |
| 15:18.41 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:18.53 | enouf | er pastebin .. duh |
| 15:18.55 | krnl`- | bzed what you mean under free? |
| 15:18.56 | alexIdoia | I have istall rssh and scponly, have changed the user shell to rssh but he can't log |
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| 15:19.06 | krnl`- | free() doesnt give output |
| 15:19.08 | abrotman | krnl`-: run the command 'free' and show us the output |
| 15:19.10 | bzed | krnl`-: open a console and run the program called free |
| 15:19.13 | krnl`- | ohh sry ok |
| 15:19.14 | peppe | krnl`-: run the command "free" |
| 15:19.18 | krnl`- | okok |
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| 15:20.10 | bzed | krnl`-: free() shouldn;t give any output ;) |
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| 15:20.48 | krnl`- | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5497 |
| 15:20.48 | peppe | bzed: apart from compiler errors :D |
| 15:20.48 | krnl`- | yes thats why i didint undersand :) |
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| 15:21.39 | abrotman | krnl`-: is that a self compiled kernel ? |
| 15:21.42 | krnl`- | yes |
| 15:21.45 | krnl`- | vanilla |
| 15:21.54 | abrotman | 2GB total RAM ? |
| 15:22.09 | krnl`- | yes but same problem on other 2 machines. |
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| 15:22.10 | abrotman | oh ffs ... |
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| 15:22.42 | krnl`- | can u see something? |
| 15:22.49 | abrotman | no .. i meant the bot :) |
| 15:23.00 | bzed | abrotman: !ops ? |
| 15:23.00 | abrotman | krnl`-: does the problem happen with a debian kernel ? |
| 15:23.14 | tjostolf | When I installed debian afresh, I think the istallation process detected other OSs on my disks and put up grub accordingly. How can I do this now, from my existing installation? Is there a special way to run update-grub or something? |
| 15:23.17 | enouf | alexIdoia: 'dlocate rssh' (look for docs) or try 'dpkg -S rssh' (if dlocate is not installed, and updatedb hasn't been run) .. man rssh do the same with scp -- and man scp |
| 15:23.19 | abrotman | bzed: it's really a staff issue .. not ops .. so i'm not going to call them |
| 15:23.22 | krnl`- | abrotman, i cant try its a live system, can reboot :/ |
| 15:23.37 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:23.38 | bzed | abrotman: true... |
| 15:23.52 | abrotman | and the bot seems to have gone away |
| 15:23.53 | krnl`- | but base deb kernel didnt have highmem support |
| 15:23.55 | HardDisk_WP | any way to have KDE look like Mac OS X? |
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| 15:24.05 | abrotman | krnl`-: in sarge ? |
| 15:25.00 | bzed | krnl`-: there're debian kernels with highmem support as far as I remember. although I'd jsut guess that your problem is just a problem in your code ;) |
| 15:25.02 | krnl`- | well thats what i have in my apt conf: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
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| 15:25.04 | peppe | HardDisk_WP: afaik there's some theme somewhere, /j #kde and ask (or kde-look.org) |
| 15:25.05 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: i'm sure therte is |
| 15:25.10 | abrotman | krnl`-: that's for etch |
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| 15:25.24 | bzed | krnl`-: not more? |
| 15:25.41 | krnl`- | there is more but didint know if test is sarge or etch :) |
| 15:25.46 | jeffwheeler | Is the best way to do a remote backup at login to use cron? |
| 15:25.52 | abrotman | rsync ? |
| 15:26.04 | jeffwheeler | Well, yeah, I know. I mean what do I use to call that? |
| 15:26.07 | Math^ | abrotman: how many time i have to search for drivers on the floppy? |
| 15:26.14 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: man rsync ? |
| 15:26.19 | abrotman | Math^: floppy ? |
| 15:26.20 | peppe | krnl`-: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5499 if this does work, then there's just a problem in your code |
| 15:26.22 | Math^ | abrotman: nvm :) |
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| 15:26.27 | bzed | krnl`-: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5500\ |
| 15:26.32 | bzed | without the \ |
| 15:26.34 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: oh, is there built in functionality for automation? I wouldn't have expected that |
| 15:26.53 | abrotman | bzed: you probably shouldn't have someone else use those |
| 15:26.54 | bzed | peppe: good idea :D |
| 15:27.06 | krnl`- | bzed, thnx! |
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| 15:27.25 | alexIdoia | yeah right, man rssh man scp whatever, I have done all of this, I just tried to log in and it keeps on prompting for the password |
| 15:27.26 | bzed | krnl`-: replace the .de. part by your country, though |
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| 15:27.56 | bzed | krnl`-: I'm stull wondering how you managed to have only the security updates in it!? |
| 15:28.00 | bzed | abrotman: hmm? |
| 15:28.17 | krnl`- | bzed, i have more entries :) i just copied one |
| 15:28.27 | abrotman | krnl`-: paste all your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:28.43 | Math^ | abrotman: 8139 still doesn't work :( |
| 15:28.57 | abrotman | Math^: is it pci ? |
| 15:29.09 | krnl`- | bzed, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 15:29.11 | Math^ | abrotman: it is an erm... |
| 15:29.13 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: I don't see anything about scheduling in the man page |
| 15:29.16 | Math^ | external thing |
| 15:29.23 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: that's what cron is for |
| 15:29.33 | bzed | krnl`-: wrong link :P |
| 15:29.36 | Gnea | speaking of paste sites, http://pasteitto.gnea.net/ is now online |
| 15:29.50 | krnl`- | yes sry: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5501 |
| 15:29.52 | abrotman | krnl`-: but you can't restart the box ? |
| 15:29.53 | enouf | alexIdoia: so give up .. and walk away |
| 15:29.54 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: ah, okay; I wasn't sure if there was a more "Debian"-like way to do it |
| 15:29.56 | bzed | krnl`-: did you run peppe's little piece of code? |
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| 15:30.02 | krnl`- | i can restart at the morning |
| 15:30.09 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: you can use a different package i suppose |
| 15:30.21 | abrotman | krnl`-: there is a 2.6 kernel in etch that has HIGHMEM support |
| 15:30.21 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: is there any reason to? |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | krnl`-: in your sources .. i'd probably change all instances of 'testing' to 'etch' |
| 15:30.40 | krnl`- | i need kernel 2.4 thats why i compiled vanilla |
| 15:30.46 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: also, is it secure to put my remote accoutn password into cron's command |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | why do you need 2.4 ? |
| 15:30.48 | krnl`- | ok i change it thnx |
| 15:30.55 | jeffwheeler | * account |
| 15:31.00 | Math^ | abrotman: this one: http://www.argosy.nl/product/images/en238.gif |
| 15:31.00 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: depends who can read the file |
| 15:31.12 | abrotman | Math^: oh .. it's pcmcia |
| 15:31.18 | Math^ | abrotman: ok...? |
| 15:31.26 | Math^ | so, what to do? |
| 15:31.28 | abrotman | Math^: are card services running ? |
| 15:31.35 | Math^ | abrotman: i dont know |
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| 15:32.21 | alexIdoia | enouf, nope but honestly this is not very usefull nor easy to install |
| 15:32.25 | Math^ | abrotman: how to run the card services? |
| 15:32.39 | abrotman | check in dmesg to see if they're running |
| 15:32.48 | Math^ | abrotman: ok |
| 15:33.11 | Math^ | abrotman: sorry, lol... but, dmesg? |
| 15:33.27 | Gnea | !yaps |
| 15:33.27 | dpkg | Yet Another Program Synthesiser Yet Another Paste Site, available at http://pasteitto.gnea.net/ |
| 15:33.32 | bzed | krnl`-: well then... what was the resulkt of peppe's program? |
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| 15:33.52 | peppe | bzed: we'll never know that :P |
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| 15:34.07 | bullftrack | !yaps |
| 15:34.08 | dpkg | Yet Another Program Synthesiser Yet Another Paste Site, available at http://pasteitto.gnea.net/ |
| 15:34.44 | Gnea | lol |
| 15:34.49 | Math^ | abrotman: do i have to reboot or something? |
| 15:34.50 | Gnea | i gotta get rid of those |
| 15:34.57 | Gnea | or get my own setup |
| 15:34.57 | bzed | Gnea: sure that you want to run that pastebin.com software? somebody managed to emty the database on pastebin.com trough it, there must have been some bad bug |
| 15:35.12 | Gnea | bzed: sure why not? |
| 15:35.16 | abrotman | Math^: ctrl-alt-f2 i think .. activate the console and run dmesg and see if it sees your pcmcia stuff |
| 15:35.21 | Gnea | let them empty it lol |
| 15:35.22 | Math^ | oh, ok |
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| 15:35.49 | Math^ | lol abrotman, i didnt know you can activate a terminal when installing :) |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | Gnea: how about you take POE and let it do images! |
| 15:35.55 | abrotman | Math^: yep |
| 15:36.05 | abrotman | Gnea: is it a good opera ? |
| 15:36.05 | Gnea | abrotman: POE? |
| 15:36.10 | Math^ | abrotman: ok, i got a whole list |
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| 15:36.29 | Math^ | lo misnix |
| 15:36.39 | abrotman | Gnea: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pastebot/ |
| 15:36.44 | misnix | ha Math^ |
| 15:36.46 | Math^ | :) |
| 15:36.56 | mue | my wlan doesn't work after s2disk, everything needed is in /etc/network/interfaces (wpa mit pre-up), /etc/init.d/networking restart and then ifup doesn't help |
| 15:37.28 | bzed | Gnea: still not sure if i'd want to run it :D I'll write oen using twisted as soon as I have time for it |
| 15:38.13 | Math^ | abrotman: so I have to look if card services are running? what sort of line should that be? |
| 15:38.47 | abrotman | uhm .. something with pcmcia maybe ? |
| 15:39.07 | Math^ | ok |
| 15:39.11 | Math^ | abrotman: brb |
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| 15:40.33 | enouf | alexIdoia: for ex; here's the list of files installed you can check for info pertaining to rssh http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=rssh&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 15:40.39 | Gnea | bzed: ROFL guess i better backup my dbs ;) |
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| 15:41.15 | Math^ | abrotman: not acpi i guess? |
| 15:41.27 | Math^ | there's no pcmcia rules |
| 15:41.39 | Gnea | dbs backed up, uh, next? :) |
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| 15:42.02 | vaidas | hey guys.. how coud i increase FD_SETSIZE file descriptors in debian for apache? :/ |
| 15:42.15 | vaidas | becouse 1024 is not enought.. |
| 15:42.36 | enouf | I suppose you already had openssh-server up and configured? |
| 15:42.42 | abrotman | ulimit -a .. |
| 15:42.45 | Math^ | abrotman: i guess there are no card services running, what to do next |
| 15:42.59 | abrotman | Math^: get them running .. since your network is pcmcia :) |
| 15:43.06 | Math^ | abrotman: lol, how |
| 15:43.31 | Gnea | vaidas: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0104.1/0226.html |
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| 15:43.46 | vaidas | thanks |
| 15:43.51 | bzed | Math^: which kernel are you using? |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | etch installer |
| 15:44.02 | Math^ | yes |
| 15:44.06 | bzed | then install pcmciautils |
| 15:44.13 | abrotman | installer ... |
| 15:44.16 | bzed | the installer should have asked you, though |
| 15:44.26 | Math^ | to load drivers from disk, indeed |
| 15:44.29 | bzed | the installer _will_ ask you if you need pcmcia services |
| 15:44.47 | foyleaber | Hi, I'm getting the error "Unable to open display `'." when I try to use aticonfig .. Find it weird cause I'm actively running the desktop right now. What's going on? |
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| 15:45.34 | bzed | foyleaber: did you use su to become root before runnign it? |
| 15:45.43 | foyleaber | Yes |
| 15:45.55 | bzed | use sux instead for example |
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| 15:46.08 | foyleaber | sux command not found :? |
| 15:46.23 | bzed | apt-get install sux |
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| 15:46.34 | foyleaber | Right, duh |
| 15:47.06 | bzed | foyleaber: you could use xhost + as normal user and export DISPLAY=:0 as root, though. but sux is the more simple way imho |
| 15:47.17 | karmatronic | foyleaber: maybe get rid of dga |
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| 15:48.15 | bzed | Math^: you coudl run it in expert mode |
| 15:48.36 | foyleaber | Hmm, reading the sux man file I'm a bit confused as to how exactly I use it |
| 15:48.41 | Math^ | bzed: im just a ubuntulinux beginner... i realy dont know what to do :) |
| 15:49.05 | bzed | Math^: sure that you have an etch installer now :P |
| 15:49.20 | Math^ | bzed: that will be affirmitive ;) |
| 15:49.42 | Math^ | affirmative |
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| 15:50.09 | Math^ | i have ran the stable version on this laptop |
| 15:50.22 | Math^ | with 3819 or something, and that worked |
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| 15:51.30 | bzed | Math^: before booting into the installer you can swtich the option pages by pressing F1-F9 or so, read through them, one mentions expert mode. not more complicated, but you get a menu where you just work yourself trough from top to the end |
| 15:51.45 | bzed | Math^: more easy to look for the pcmcia stuff there |
| 15:51.49 | arpith | hi where can i download and install qbasic for ubutu? |
| 15:51.52 | Math^ | bzed: thnx :) |
| 15:51.59 | arpith | sorry for debian |
| 15:51.59 | bzed | arpith: in #ubuntu |
| 15:52.07 | arpith | for debian? |
| 15:52.13 | Ronin | uh huh, interesting spelling mistake |
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| 15:52.31 | bzed | arpith: sure that you're runnign debian? |
| 15:52.39 | arpith | bzed: yes |
| 15:53.03 | arpith | bzed: i want to install it in debian system |
| 15:53.20 | bzed | arpith: qbasic was a MS-DOS command line program, there's no real qbasic anymore. there're some compilers for basic, though |
| 15:53.29 | Math^ | dosbox! :) |
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| 15:53.41 | foyleaber | I'm so confused as to exactly what to do with sux and the display error, can I get a bit more thorough explanation? Sorry :\ |
| 15:54.29 | bzed | arpith: http://qbnz.com/pages/downloads/software/ you coudl get qbasic form there and run it in dosbox or so, though |
| 15:54.57 | bzed | arpith: or get a win3.11 disk and isntall it in qemu *g* |
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| 15:55.14 | bzed | foyleaber: just use sux instead of su to become root |
| 15:55.24 | bzed | foyleaber: and then run the config thing again |
| 15:55.40 | foyleaber | ohhh |
| 15:55.50 | ram____ | hi i have problem with RTL card, can some one help me what is the problem.... eth0: Too much work at interrupt, IntrStatus=0x0001. |
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| 15:56.38 | ram____ | using debian 3.1 sarge |
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| 15:58.04 | bbelt16a1 | hey peeps how do i run .mp4 files |
| 15:58.52 | bzed | arpith: there's also http://www.freebasic.net/index.php/download |
| 15:58.57 | bzed | bbelt16a1: not at all |
| 15:59.12 | bzed | bbelt16a1: you play them with the audio player of your choice |
| 15:59.27 | magyar | is there a reason why 2.6.20 is still not in sid? |
| 15:59.31 | bbelt16a1 | well do i need w32codecs to use it is it a special download??? |
| 15:59.39 | arpith | bzed: thanx :) |
| 15:59.51 | valdyn | magyar: still? its only out for a week |
| 15:59.55 | bzed | bbelt16a1: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 16:00.06 | magyar | valdyn: what about 2.6.19? |
| 16:00.28 | bzed | ram____: does it started to happen lately? |
| 16:00.37 | bzed | ram____: without any changes? |
| 16:00.42 | ram____ | bzed: yes correct.. |
| 16:00.46 | xingu | I think I hear magyar volunteering to take on linux-kernel-source |
| 16:00.56 | valdyn | magyar: sid is the feed for the next release ,since the next release will release with 2.6.18, that's what sid gets |
| 16:01.06 | ram____ | bzed: yes i did not changed any settings.. after setup this system, now its 36 hours iam getting this problem |
| 16:01.07 | magyar | ah |
| 16:01.21 | ram____ | bzed: iam using this server for firware wall in front of my web server |
| 16:01.43 | bzed | ram____: my first guess with such problems is usually just a fucked up NIC |
| 16:02.07 | ram____ | bzed: same NIC could able to work perfectly in FC5 |
| 16:02.16 | xingu | magyar: y'know, there's nothing stopping you playing kernel-of-the-day-club locally, on your own arch and time... |
| 16:02.56 | ram____ | bzed: are u sure its ethernet card problem ? |
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| 16:03.53 | bzed | ram____: not sure, no. but if it didn;t happen before, I'd guess it is. there's a driver option for the rtl cards... I think to use NAPI or not... forgot it... probably you need to play with that |
| 16:04.14 | bzed | ram____: also I run into issues when I had a rtl plus some ne2000 thing in the same box |
| 16:04.36 | ram____ | i have 3com and rtl installed in same pc |
| 16:04.36 | bzed | *rt |
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| 16:05.12 | bzed | sure it is the rtl? the 3com died like flies until we stopped to use them :P |
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| 16:05.26 | ram____ | means ? |
| 16:05.40 | bzed | we had to replace them every other week |
| 16:05.42 | ram____ | bzed: how can i do that? |
| 16:05.57 | ram____ | bzed: so what is the solution |
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| 16:06.36 | bzed | I don't know, you'll have to figure it out. if you have a spare NIC just replace one |
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| 16:06.41 | bzed | *the rtl |
| 16:06.56 | bzed | try to put it in a different slot, sometimes they have problems, too |
| 16:06.56 | ram____ | so i need to replace RTL card? |
| 16:06.59 | xingu | ram: that message means that the kernel is throttling the rtl driver because it's hogging an interrupt - generally caused by crappy hardware in at least one dimension |
| 16:07.24 | ram____ | xingu: ok by replacing the card will solve the problem |
| 16:07.27 | xingu | ram: what actual hardware is it? if you don't know, lspci does. |
| 16:07.34 | bbelt16a1 | allright my sound is not working with vlc or mplayer and xine wont play the movie |
| 16:07.41 | bzed | ram____: usually replacing rtl cards helped me :P |
| 16:07.41 | knight | which is the good peer to peer searching and downloading software ? |
| 16:07.45 | xingu | ram: maybe - providing the problem isn't an equally bung motherboard design |
| 16:07.49 | ram____ | Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 16:07.50 | bbelt16a1 | is /dev/dsp that proper device for vlc configuration? of oss |
| 16:08.19 | bzed | bbelt16a1: try this on console: yes | aplay - do you hear anything? |
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| 16:08.58 | bzed | ram____: sometimes the board or slot is fucked up and not the card. but I'd guess it's a hardware problem |
| 16:09.02 | bbelt16a1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.15 | bzed | bbelt16a1: which one? |
| 16:09.24 | JarJarBinks | dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 16:09.29 | bbelt16a1 | oh |
| 16:09.31 | bbelt16a1 | what? |
| 16:09.32 | ram____ | bzed: i try to replace card and see what happends.. what card u recomend.. i use to use intel cards.. |
| 16:09.45 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: what errormsg |
| 16:09.46 | bzed | ram____: i prefer intel cards, too |
| 16:09.50 | sebas891 | hi, anyone knows a package that could monitor a ssh tunnel and make sure it is always running ? |
| 16:09.51 | crashev | I downloaded latest debian distro 3.1 and installed base - could someone tell if this is latest release why it consists such old stuff like kernel 2.4.27 and openssh 3.8.1 - do I have to make some kind of big update after first installation process? |
| 16:09.56 | ram____ | thanks |
| 16:10.05 | bzed | !tell crashev about stable |
| 16:10.08 | bzed | !tell crashev about testing |
| 16:10.17 | abrotman | !tell JarJarBinks about fglrx |
| 16:10.26 | bbelt16a1 | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:864:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 16:10.26 | bbelt16a1 | aplay: main:550: audio open error: Device or resource busy |
| 16:10.33 | abrotman | !tell crashev about sarge->etch |
| 16:10.40 | abrotman | bzed: tell them about etch .. not testing |
| 16:10.43 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: fuser -v /dev/snd/* |
| 16:10.47 | JarJarBinks | abrotman: thank |
| 16:10.58 | ram____ | another problem, i have in this system 100MB ram, only using for firewall start using the RAM |
| 16:11.11 | bbelt16a1 | nothing |
| 16:11.29 | xingu | ram: what speed cpu do you have, and how many packets/s are you clocking up? |
| 16:11.56 | ram____ | xingu: its celron processor.... |
| 16:12.07 | ram____ | xingu: not much.. just web server |
| 16:12.22 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: does 'id' say you are member of audio group? |
| 16:12.24 | ram____ | xingu: this firewall sit between webserver and internet switch |
| 16:12.51 | bbelt16a1 | 29(audio) |
| 16:12.53 | bbelt16a1 | yes |
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| 16:13.19 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: fuser -v /dev/dsp* |
| 16:13.21 | xingu | ram: grep 8139 /proc/interrupts; sleep 10; grep 8139 /proc/interrupts |
| 16:13.38 | xingu | ram: lets have a look and see how much work it's actually being asked to do |
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| 16:14.17 | bbelt16a1 | /dev/dsp: erin 17888 F.... xine |
| 16:14.33 | ram____ | xingu: i did not get any out its, emply |
| 16:14.37 | ram____ | empty |
| 16:14.50 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: ok xine is occupying it - pkill xine and test sound again |
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| 16:15.33 | xingu | ram: ok can you paste(ask dpkg) cat /proc/interrupts; sleep 10; cat /proc/interrupts somewhere? |
| 16:15.44 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 16:15.44 | bzed | ram____: the firewall at work (which is actually firewalling about 1000 computers) is happy with less than 100MB |
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| 16:15.54 | ram____ | iam trying to pastebin.. and not working |
| 16:16.02 | xingu | ram: nb - current 2.6 8139cp, 8139too are both NAPI |
| 16:16.17 | bbelt16a1 | the snd one is not working |
| 16:16.19 | bbelt16a1 | no out put |
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| 16:16.28 | bbelt16a1 | /dev/snd/* |
| 16:16.30 | bbelt16a1 | nothing |
| 16:16.43 | fraudster | what video card do you have? and do you run beryl or compiz? |
| 16:16.47 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: test sound (alsa) with yes | aplay |
| 16:16.52 | ram____ | xingu: any place i can post.. other than pastebin |
| 16:16.53 | bbelt16a1 | k |
| 16:16.54 | bzed | xingu: as far as I remember there was a NAPI issue with those drivers on some buggy hardware or older kernels. I remember that I had to disable napi on older boxes |
| 16:17.02 | ram____ | http://pastebin.com/888617 |
| 16:17.06 | ram____ | my ram issue |
| 16:17.06 | Ronin | ram____: pastebin.ca is usually fast |
| 16:17.20 | Gnea | procinfo -n.5 |
| 16:17.21 | bbelt16a1 | yes | aplay trying to work now |
| 16:17.26 | xingu | bzed: :) yes. :) |
| 16:17.31 | fraudster | I feel like I am talking to myself. |
| 16:17.32 | bbelt16a1 | pastebin dosnt work me either |
| 16:17.34 | cahoot | trying? |
| 16:17.41 | Gnea | !yaps |
| 16:17.42 | dpkg | Yet Another Program Synthesiser Yet Another Paste Site, available at http://pasteitto.gnea.net/ |
| 16:17.56 | bbelt16a1 | its hanging |
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| 16:18.06 | bbelt16a1 | Playing raw data 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
| 16:18.12 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: no noise? |
| 16:18.21 | bbelt16a1 | not that i can tell |
| 16:18.39 | cahoot | bbelt16a1: run alsamixer - unmute and set levels |
| 16:18.44 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 16:18.49 | fraudster | ??!??!??!??! |
| 16:18.50 | ram____ | http://pastebin.ca/371730 |
| 16:19.00 | ram____ | xingu: this is out put http://pastebin.ca/371730 |
| 16:19.03 | xingu | bzed: that's why I'm trying to size up exactly where the problem is, here - it's possible that a change of NIC won't resolve the underlying problem of a weeny or broken system board |
| 16:19.30 | xingu | ram: is this a 2.4 kernel or 2.6? |
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| 16:19.37 | ram____ | 2.4 |
| 16:19.40 | NefariousPrior | Anyone have any idea how to get sound working in gaim? seems to work in iceweasel fine. |
| 16:19.44 | bzed | xingu: true, but a nic change is fast, and usualyl solved those problems for me |
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| 16:20.24 | bbelt16a1 | i know i got music... i have played with it before its just this type of format.. |
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| 16:20.59 | bzed | !tell bbelt16a1 about dmix |
| 16:21.03 | VImtermute | tadaima |
| 16:21.17 | bzed | NefariousPrior: it only works in one program at a time? |
| 16:22.01 | bzed | NefariousPrior: seems your soundcard can't mix several sound sources at a time, that's a common problem for cheap soundscards << bbelt16a1 for you, too |
| 16:22.10 | bbelt16a1 | aye |
| 16:22.11 | bzed | !tell NefariousPrior about dmix |
| 16:22.49 | xingu | ram: ok now interestingly enough your hardware is doing feck all there; what speed is your celery? if it's overloaded at your current throughput levels a new nic won't help at all |
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| 16:23.18 | ram____ | xingu: then what is to be done |
| 16:23.42 | NefariousPrior | hmm, it's an onboard intel sound chip |
| 16:23.57 | NefariousPrior | didn't have issues with sarge. heh |
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| 16:24.24 | xingu | ram: are you getting those messages logged regularly even now? |
| 16:24.42 | ram____ | xingu: i got once now.. after 36 hours.. |
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| 16:25.18 | xingu | ram: ignore the message is my advice then; basically what I'm looking at is the eth0(now)-eth0(previous) and ditto for eth1 numbers |
| 16:25.19 | ram____ | xingu: before i had P4 server in this place.. since i read debian small kernel can use old PC as firewall so i install and replaced with that.. |
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| 16:26.33 | ram____ | xingu: i dont see any web access problem, but when i see dmesg iam getting this problem.. |
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| 16:26.47 | xingu | ram: and at present you're only looking at 10's of packets/s; at those load levels, and one message in 36h - it's a non issue. |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | !kikismite xingu |
| 16:27.23 | xingu | ram: when you get that message, it'll be because you're hitting the peak forwarding rate of the box; I'm guessing this will be in the 100's of packets/s |
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| 16:27.29 | ram____ | xingu: so i can ignore this error.. what is maily need to observe.. can u just guide me.. |
| 16:27.54 | ram____ | mainly* |
| 16:28.18 | ram____ | since i like debian smaller and its usefull compare to other distros......... |
| 16:28.27 | xingu | ram: in terms of forward planning, you want to consider an upgrade to etch probably; your firewall would like a recent 2.6-series kernel |
| 16:28.59 | ram____ | i downloaded the debian CD from debian site.. then its automatically install sarge 2.4 |
| 16:29.15 | ram____ | then how can i download bussiness CD or netinstall CD of 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:29.25 | sidjster | expert26 |
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| 16:29.56 | jetscreamer | he meant you type expert26 after the cd boots and you see the boot: prompt |
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| 16:30.14 | jetscreamer | ram____: or use the etch installer |
| 16:30.21 | jetscreamer | it defaults to 2.6 |
| 16:30.32 | ram____ | jetscreamer: where can i download etch installer CD ? |
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| 16:30.39 | jetscreamer | !d-i ram____ |
| 16:30.39 | dpkg | ram____, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:31.18 | jetscreamer | you can get there from the d/l page you dl'd the sarge one from |
| 16:31.24 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:32.24 | ram____ | if i type expert26., iam able to install 2.6 kernel |
| 16:32.29 | jetscreamer | right |
| 16:32.38 | jetscreamer | or linux26 |
| 16:32.41 | bzed | ram____: if you you're looking for something which does not eat much ressources you could look into pfsense for example, although that's somethign bsd-based |
| 16:32.49 | jetscreamer | hit f1 and f2 and so on when it boots |
| 16:32.58 | bzed | ram____: there're also some linux/debian based small firewalls |
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| 16:33.19 | jetscreamer | it will give you a list of options |
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| 16:33.33 | bzed | ram____: that sounds liek the sarge installer, I think the etch installer comes with 2.6 kernel only |
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| 16:33.48 | sidjster | changing fan and thermal paste knocked 11c off my temps im alot happier now :) |
| 16:33.51 | jetscreamer | no, you can do 2.4 but you have to say linux24 |
| 16:34.03 | ram____ | bzed: can give any link which prebuild run on celron |
| 16:34.06 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 16:34.18 | bzed | ram____: link of? |
| 16:34.23 | jetscreamer | the installer will 'just work' for a celery |
| 16:34.28 | ram____ | bzed: prebuild firewall |
| 16:34.35 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:34.56 | bzed | ram____: sure that you don't want to stay with debian? :P |
| 16:35.19 | stoned | hey jetscreamer whats up |
| 16:35.22 | ram____ | bzed: i want to stick with debian only |
| 16:35.38 | jetscreamer | they're making me go to galveston (family) :( |
| 16:35.41 | stoned | jetscreamer: I did a brand new debian design for my site. if you have the link check it. I'm proud of it |
| 16:35.44 | stoned | ahh |
| 16:35.46 | stoned | that sucks |
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| 16:35.51 | stoned | I know this chic in galvestion |
| 16:35.56 | stoned | shes a pothead too |
| 16:36.01 | abrotman | shocking |
| 16:36.08 | stoned | hey mr. brotman |
| 16:36.16 | stoned | abrotman: refresh my page and chose the debian style |
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| 16:36.23 | bzed | ram____: uh, I think you want to google. probably there's soemthing based on damn small linux. all I know is pfsense, because it works on the little soekris boxes |
| 16:36.28 | stoned | abrotman http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 16:36.29 | jetscreamer | hey stoned was i on linux or windows when i checked your site.. ah yeah ie |
| 16:36.37 | stoned | jetscreamer: yes ie |
| 16:36.47 | stoned | I much prefer the debian style |
| 16:36.51 | bzed | ram____: all firewalls I take care of have gbit-interfaces and are some bigger machines ;) |
| 16:36.57 | stoned | I did good with that one, default was just learning I guess |
| 16:37.15 | jetscreamer | heh you like hydrogen also, eh |
| 16:37.22 | stoned | I love it |
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| 16:38.34 | ram____ | where can i download etch ? |
| 16:38.45 | stoned | !d-i ram____ |
| 16:38.45 | dpkg | ram____, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:38.56 | stoned | ram____: take the 2nd link |
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| 16:39.31 | ram____ | stoned: that is etch ? |
| 16:39.34 | sidjster | looks good stoned |
| 16:39.51 | stoned | im getting ok with php too |
| 16:39.54 | stoned | :D |
| 16:40.08 | jetscreamer | ram____: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 16:40.46 | jetscreamer | burn this, bic |
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| 16:40.54 | ram____ | jetscreamer: is this install linux 2.6 |
| 16:40.58 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 16:41.01 | ram____ | or still i need to say expert26 |
| 16:41.08 | abrotman | just hit enter |
| 16:41.13 | ram____ | ok |
| 16:41.16 | jetscreamer | etch, aka testing, 'soon' to be stable release |
| 16:41.16 | rolandlakr | amphi: Hey, how are ya? |
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| 16:42.01 | jetscreamer | ram____: read the documentation first maybe |
| 16:42.28 | ram____ | ok thanks |
| 16:42.29 | ram____ | bye |
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| 16:44.37 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
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| 16:44.56 | Ramattack | does anybody know how to put full scrren the linux consoles? |
| 16:45.11 | Ramattack | in my laptop I only have more or less ten lines at console |
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| 16:46.32 | ewanm89 | Ramattack: Is the rest of the screen black? |
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| 16:47.19 | Ramattack | yep |
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| 16:47.47 | Ramattack | thats a part of the kernel? |
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| 16:48.05 | Ramattack | or how could I set it? |
| 16:48.13 | ewanm89 | Ramattack: Yes what graphics card do you have |
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| 16:48.34 | Ramattack | ati mobile one... |
| 16:48.47 | bzed | Ramattack: which kernel? |
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| 16:49.01 | selim | I've tried a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch, I've done a aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686, but I have still the problem that some packages are not configured and even a dpkg --configure -a did not work |
| 16:49.05 | ewanm89 | bzed: Thanks for the next question? |
| 16:49.15 | Ramattack | one moment looking at |
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| 16:50.08 | Ramattack | Ati IGP345M with 2.6.16.27 kernel |
| 16:50.24 | bzed | Ramattack: try modprobe radeonfb |
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| 16:50.42 | Ramattack | modprobe was for loading a module? |
| 16:50.47 | bzed | yes |
| 16:50.54 | Ramattack | ok one moment |
| 16:50.55 | bzed | ewanm89: :P |
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| 16:51.24 | ewanm89 | bzed: Go ahead, I use Nvidia! |
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| 16:51.36 | ewanm89 | :) |
| 16:51.38 | Ramattack | it has loaded module |
| 16:51.40 | Ramattack | but no change |
| 16:51.41 | bzed | ewanm89: i have a sucky radeon on my notebook :P |
| 16:51.53 | concept10 | Ramattack, what are you attempting to do? |
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| 16:52.02 | manimi | how much swap space do you recommend for a pentium 2, 333Mhz, with 192MB RAM. OS: etch |
| 16:52.05 | Ramattack | only to set at full screen linux console |
| 16:52.08 | ewanm89 | concept10: Get a full console |
| 16:52.15 | Ramattack | yep |
| 16:52.32 | concept10 | from GUI? |
| 16:52.35 | bzed | Ramattack: have a look at the output of dmesg, did the module tell somethign about detecting a supported graphics card? |
| 16:52.36 | ewanm89 | manimi: 400 MB |
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| 16:52.37 | selim | these are the errors I get when I do the dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:52.39 | zinx | manimi: 256-512MB |
| 16:52.40 | selim | http://rafb.net/p/YGIXhH53.html |
| 16:52.43 | Ramattack | and I wanted to do it without rebooting I'm rsyncing to another machine... .nope from ctrl+alt+f2 for example |
| 16:52.52 | Ramattack | yep |
| 16:52.56 | bzed | selim: try apt-ge -f install |
| 16:52.57 | Ramattack | dmesg told that |
| 16:53.04 | Ramattack | ati igp.... |
| 16:53.27 | manimi | will more swap space increase performance since this is an extremely old laptop |
| 16:53.34 | concept10 | Ramattack, the reason I asked is becuase I have that same chipset |
| 16:53.36 | bzed | can you paste the dmesg lines into a pastebin please? |
| 16:53.48 | |dennis| | Question: i jsut got brand new machines...was installing etch..insatlled fine..except for the last step...the reboot.....it froze...anyways.. i powered off manually and everything was fine...seems that every reboot.....it freezes after gracefully shutting down all services....is this an acpi problem? |
| 16:53.50 | selim | bzed: apt-get gives me the same error |
| 16:54.07 | bzed | manimi: no, more swap will jsut make sure that you don't run out of memory if the odl swap + memory is full ;) |
| 16:54.18 | |dennis| | something to do with power management? |
| 16:54.30 | Ramattack | one moment .... |
| 16:54.36 | justin | selim: errors in english would help |
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| 16:54.43 | IndridCold | hey guys |
| 16:54.49 | IndridCold | I'm struggling with SSH, tried to set it up to make use of authorized_keys: http://pastebin.parentnode.org/3724 ... but it's locked me out saying there "no supported authentication methods available". |
| 16:54.50 | bzed | selim: try dpkg -r openbsd-inetd |
| 16:54.53 | IndridCold | So I must have forgotten something in the config file |
| 16:54.58 | IndridCold | not sure what though |
| 16:55.08 | bzed | selim: if you need help in german feel free to poke me in a query |
| 16:55.12 | xingu | |dennis|: most likely; see /etc/default/halt |
| 16:55.43 | justin | IndridCold: you did not have to touch the ssh config to get it to use authorized_keys |
| 16:55.54 | selim | bzed: no problem english is good enough ;) |
| 16:55.55 | justin | IndridCold: put back the default config file and it will work |
| 16:56.01 | |dennis| | xingu: thanks will look into it... |
| 16:56.14 | IndridCold | the default file was set to use clear text passwords |
| 16:56.18 | cahoot | IndridCold: unless the key is mangled in some way |
| 16:56.29 | justin | IndridCold: the default config file is set up to do BOTH |
| 16:56.36 | selim | bzed: ok, dpkg -r openbsd-inetd seemed to work |
| 16:56.59 | selim | bzed: what now? |
| 16:57.04 | IndridCold | well all I've really done is uncommended out the authorized_keys file and commented the clear text password bits. |
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| 16:57.14 | selim | bzed: a configure -a did not work afterwards |
| 16:57.15 | IndridCold | installed with apt |
| 16:57.16 | bzed | selim: it failed to start, for what reason ever. try dpkg --configure --pending or apt-get -f install now |
| 16:57.19 | archville | Hi again |
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| 16:57.53 | selim | bzed: no does not work eighter |
| 16:57.54 | bzed | selim: if that still doesn;t work, please paste the new error |
| 16:58.01 | justin | !tell IndridCold about debug sshd |
| 16:58.07 | IndridCold | thanks |
| 16:58.20 | archville | I've installed latest Etch succesfully and the wireless card is working (rt2500). However i have to manually use: ifup ra0 to bring it up, and it doesn't show up neither on nm-applet or network-manager. (On Etch beta 3 it appeared on network-manager) |
| 16:58.22 | bzed | IndridCold: chmod 700 ~/.ssh could help ;) |
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| 16:58.43 | abrotman | !tell archville about interfaces |
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| 16:58.52 | archville | abrotman, it is on network/interfaces |
| 16:58.56 | Ramattack | http://pastebin.com/888645 |
| 16:59.01 | abrotman | archville: does it have an auto line ? |
| 16:59.03 | Ramattack | here you are folks |
| 16:59.12 | archville | perfectly working and configured but does not appear on network-manager in gnome or applet |
| 16:59.16 | archville | abrotman, yes |
| 16:59.25 | abrotman | is it pcmcia ? |
| 16:59.31 | bzed | Ramattack: try pastebin.ca next time please... that .com thing is f**ed |
| 16:59.33 | ewanm89 | Slow pastebin! |
| 16:59.33 | cahoot | shouldn't it be out of interfaces for networkmanager to work? |
| 16:59.38 | archville | it is pci |
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| 16:59.46 | azeem | archville: check /var/log/daemon.log |
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| 17:00.01 | Ramattack | ok sorry |
| 17:00.04 | xingu | hmm, backup sets get a whole bunch smaller when you only backup loopback mounted paths once instead of everywhere they're mounted |
| 17:00.07 | justin | archville: you need to remove it from /etc/network/interfaces for network manager to configure it |
| 17:00.19 | archville | oh... i see |
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| 17:00.26 | hark | archville: comment it out in the interfaces file, if you want to use network-manager |
| 17:00.28 | archville | i did it manually after modprobing |
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| 17:00.37 | archville | thanks for the tip :) |
| 17:00.47 | abrotman | !wb azeem |
| 17:00.48 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! azeem has returned! |
| 17:00.49 | selim | bzed: http://rafb.net/p/v0x4Et40.html |
| 17:00.55 | hark | archville: read /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 17:00.55 | azeem | only for a sec |
| 17:01.00 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 17:01.03 | SerajewelKS | why doesn't icecast2 (etch) support ipv6? |
| 17:01.14 | xingu | it's a conspiracy |
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| 17:01.37 | abrotman | azeem: ah .. sounds fun |
| 17:01.52 | manimi | how do i get fdisk to display me the partition sizes in MB or GB ?? |
| 17:01.57 | azeem | except I've been somewhat ill over the last days, but yeah, FOSDEM rocks |
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| 17:02.00 | bzed | selim: bleh, didnt; think about that. well, apt-get install openbsd-inetd should fix that, but you need to find out why the inetd does not start |
| 17:02.30 | SerajewelKS | you'd think it would be possible to get icecast2 to bind to ::, but no, it binds to 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:02.33 | bzed | selim: or you purge the installed openbsd-inetd package and install it again after that, then it should start at least |
| 17:02.48 | concept10 | azeem, do you have a link to that stream? I dont see them |
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| 17:03.04 | Ramattack | what do you think about upgrading from stable to sid directly? |
| 17:03.04 | azeem | concept10: no, I'm sitting in the auditorium |
| 17:03.13 | bzed | !slap azeem |
| 17:03.14 | Guerin | Ramattack: don't |
| 17:03.15 | azeem | Ramattack: bad idea |
| 17:03.15 | concept10 | azeem, great link :) |
| 17:03.21 | Ramattack | lol |
| 17:03.23 | Ramattack | ok |
| 17:03.30 | SerajewelKS | Ramattack: do you have any reason to use sid? |
| 17:03.31 | Ramattack | I wanted to install beryl |
| 17:03.31 | sidjster | shoot him back |
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| 17:03.37 | azeem | Ramattack: bad idea as well |
| 17:03.44 | |dennis| | xingu: /etc/default/halt has HALT=poweroff |
| 17:03.46 | azeem | does unstable have beryl now? |
| 17:03.47 | bzed | Ramattack: don;t do it, too buggy. |
| 17:03.51 | |dennis| | which is the way it should be right? |
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| 17:03.58 | bzed | azeem: not afaik |
| 17:04.02 | Ramattack | beryl too buggy? |
| 17:04.09 | azeem | 'k, I've been out of the loop somewhat |
| 17:04.09 | ewanm89 | Beryl can work fine! |
| 17:04.13 | selim | bzed: purge it with a remove command or a special purge command? |
| 17:04.19 | bzed | Ramattack: yeah, and you need too much experimental stugg |
| 17:04.30 | bzed | selim: dpkg -P openbsd-inetd |
| 17:04.32 | SerajewelKS | bzed: not really |
| 17:04.43 | xingu | |dennis|: ... which will be what the kernel triest to do at the appropriate juncture; my guess is that your bios is buggy in that department; update it, or switch to halt instead. |
| 17:04.55 | ewanm89 | bzed: I suppose I use my own kernel and NVIDIA installed drivers |
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| 17:05.00 | Ramattack | what's the meaning of stugg?? sory |
| 17:05.01 | abrotman | Ramattack: it's not in debian .. ask #beryl if you want help with it |
| 17:05.01 | bzed | SerajewelKS: really depends. you may have luck, or not. |
| 17:05.07 | sidjster | you learn more using sid |
| 17:05.19 | sidjster | because you are forced |
| 17:05.33 | azeem | sidjster: stop advertising sid in here |
| 17:05.37 | bzed | ewanm89: no! never use those drivers from nvidia.com, they'll fuck up your installation as soon as you upgrade the next time |
| 17:05.44 | azeem | sidjster: feel free to support people using unstable in #debian-unstable |
| 17:05.57 | bzed | ewanm89: use the nvidia packages from experimental if you want to test beryl and co |
| 17:06.07 | Ramattack | don't you use beryl folks? |
| 17:06.10 | Ramattack | it's nice!! |
| 17:06.20 | Gnea | wtf is beryl? |
| 17:06.25 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 17:06.26 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/ |
| 17:06.28 | azeem | Ramattack: beryl is quite nice as well, and is available in testing |
| 17:06.32 | azeem | eh |
| 17:06.34 | bzed | Ramattack: no it's not, I'm times faster with stuff if I havan't it installed |
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| 17:06.38 | abrotman | azeem: compiz ? |
| 17:06.39 | Gnea | sounds buggy |
| 17:06.43 | azeem | Ramattack: compiz is quite nice as well, and is available in testing |
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| 17:07.53 | SerajewelKS | while it is slick, beryl is a CPU and RAM hog |
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| 17:07.53 | ewanm89 | Sids compiz is slow compared to Beryl |
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| 17:08.09 | SerajewelKS | so if you can put up with that, it's great. personally, i turn it on when i feel like i can waste the resources and turn it off when i need them. |
| 17:08.36 | Ramattack | sorry but I'm not very expert on visualization I always use consoles... that exactly compiz? a variant of beryl? |
| 17:08.48 | azeem | bye, laters |
| 17:08.50 | bzed | !tell Ramattack about beryl |
| 17:08.54 | SerajewelKS | Ramattack: other way around |
| 17:08.55 | ewanm89 | Kwin is slower than Beryl on my box, so I don't think it's a waste of resources |
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| 17:08.59 | SerajewelKS | Ramattack: beryl is a fork of compiz |
| 17:09.30 | SerajewelKS | ewanm89: look at your RAM usage with a few windows open |
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| 17:09.47 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: but if you're not using that ram otherwise ... |
| 17:09.48 | Ramattack | so it works too with xork? |
| 17:09.55 | Ramattack | xorg sorry |
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| 17:10.29 | sidjster | nevermind sid |
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| 17:10.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: monodevelop takes quite a share |
| 17:10.43 | ewanm89 | SerajewelKS: Fine as linux uses all physical Ram anyway! |
| 17:11.01 | stoned | i hear vista started doing that too |
| 17:11.06 | stoned | cacheing with the ram thingy |
| 17:11.12 | stoned | I also hear its causing problem too |
| 17:11.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yes, because it's gnometardware |
| 17:11.24 | stoned | Guerin: what sup |
| 17:11.30 | cokeslut | I'll soon find out |
| 17:11.35 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: more because it's CLI |
| 17:11.40 | manimi | could someone please tell me how to read the fdisk -l output, somehow i cant convert that into MB |
| 17:11.45 | Guerin | stoned: i'm up, goddamnit, and given that it's 0611, this is less than optimal |
| 17:11.55 | stoned | heh |
| 17:11.58 | ewanm89 | stoned: Of course M$ made it. |
| 17:12.00 | stoned | I been up since 1:20am |
| 17:12.09 | Guerin | yeah, but you're a freak |
| 17:12.16 | Guerin | i have a job and shit |
| 17:12.20 | stoned | got 3 days empty my apartment sell my furniture pack my stuff and move |
| 17:12.21 | stoned | heh |
| 17:12.28 | stoned | I don't wanna pay anymore rent past the 1st |
| 17:12.48 | sidjster | wow three whole days |
| 17:12.55 | abrotman | so maybe you should be doing that instead of sitting on IRC ? |
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| 17:13.06 | stoned | im waiting on the buddman to swing by |
| 17:13.10 | Guerin | ... |
| 17:13.11 | bzed | stoned: doesn't make me wonder. vista is also trying to use verctorized icons on the desktop. everybody can do that without havinv 256MB ram for the GPU, except MS |
| 17:13.14 | abrotman | no kidding .. more drugs huh ? |
| 17:13.29 | stoned | drugs? no way, I hate drugs |
| 17:13.41 | SerajewelKS | bzed: is that with aero or without? |
| 17:13.48 | abrotman | try #windows |
| 17:14.06 | Guerin | bzed: it's because the vista icons are actually 1mx1m actual-size works of art, stored in tiff format in memory space |
| 17:14.09 | bzed | SerajewelKS: I think with aero, but... do I look like a windows user? :P I only know why I don't use it :P |
| 17:14.17 | justin | manimi: you don't have to use fdisk |
| 17:14.19 | ewanm89 | abrotman: I wouldn't be seen dead on that channel |
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| 17:14.33 | abrotman | ewanm89: good for you |
| 17:14.42 | SerajewelKS | bzed: shrug, if it's with aero then i'm not surprised. you need quite a bit of VRAM to use beryl too. |
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| 17:14.53 | selim | bzed: hmm, it seems the purge solved this problem |
| 17:15.05 | stoned | we should make a secret debian team bent upon world domination. A chicken in every pot, and debian in every pc and server in the world. |
| 17:15.16 | stoned | and if anyone argues, a cap in every ass |
| 17:15.18 | SerajewelKS | stoned: isn't that us? |
| 17:15.21 | Guerin | stoned: and a bud in every cone |
| 17:15.24 | Guerin | right? |
| 17:15.27 | stoned | yessir |
| 17:15.31 | stoned | right you are |
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| 17:16.11 | concept10 | stoned, make a secret debian team bent upon release domination :) |
| 17:16.11 | bzed | SerajewelKS: SGI managed to do that fast on their workstations about 10 years ago. they've dreamed of 265MB ram for the gpu raound that time. the aero stuff is a rip of the stuff osx does, and even osx can do it on an old box |
| 17:16.17 | stoned | concept10: hahaha |
| 17:16.45 | SerajewelKS | bzed: true, beryl is a rip of the OS X compositor as well |
| 17:16.52 | stoned | well you can run beryl and stuff on a fx5200 nvidia too |
| 17:16.56 | stoned | 35$ card |
| 17:17.05 | lotus-blade | is there version that has xorg already included? I just installed 3.1r5 and it still is installing xf86 |
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| 17:17.12 | SerajewelKS | bzed: of course the better the GPU, the faster all three will run |
| 17:17.17 | abrotman | lotus-blade: you can either go to etch or use backports.org |
| 17:17.21 | stoned | lotus-blade: backport or etch |
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| 17:17.35 | |dennis| | xingu: so you think its the bios? hmm... |
| 17:17.41 | lotus-blade | thanks, but is etch stable yet? |
| 17:17.43 | abrotman | |ZEYNA: we don't want any! |
| 17:17.47 | stoned | it is frozen as I hear |
| 17:17.50 | abrotman | lotus-blade: not yet .. real soon now! |
| 17:17.53 | |dennis| | am trying a acpi=off installation to see what that does.... |
| 17:17.57 | bzed | SerajewelKS: sure, but neither old macs nor old SGIs have a fast gpu |
| 17:18.04 | lotus-blade | thanks |
| 17:18.08 | stoned | lotus-blade: fairly stable, but still don't install on server yet |
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| 17:18.16 | abrotman | !tell lotus-blade about sarge->etch |
| 17:18.19 | stoned | its ok for desktop use etc. |
| 17:18.20 | abrotman | !tell lotus-blade about backports.org |
| 17:18.23 | abrotman | lotus-blade: try one of those |
| 17:18.28 | sidjster | i used acpi off on some old hps s worked wonders |
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| 17:19.09 | bzed | lotus-blade: although we're runnign it on some servers because we need a lot of recent stuff... |
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| 17:19.44 | bzed | sidjster: if all acpi developers would use the intel compiler instead of the microsoft one, the world would be better |
| 17:20.11 | zealot | is intel compiler still alive? |
| 17:20.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:20.27 | xingu | |dennis|: you might also try a reboot=bios or reboot=hard kernel options. |
| 17:20.32 | zealot | who is using it? |
| 17:20.39 | concept10 | intel |
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| 17:20.44 | zealot | ... |
| 17:20.48 | bzed | zealot: the intel acpi compiler for sure, the c/c++ definitely |
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| 17:21.39 | |dennis| | xingu: thanks will do....will see how it goes..... |
| 17:22.34 | sidjster | whats wrong with apm? |
| 17:23.10 | xingu | its pm wasn't a enough |
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| 17:24.14 | bzed | sidjster: some systems need acpi to work well... for example for fan control and other shit. I think the acpi stuff started to become worse on laptops first... and now most computers don;t even support apm at all :\ but I think thinkpads still do, at least the models form IBM ;) |
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| 17:24.43 | xingu | sidjster: http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=116 |
| 17:24.46 | sidjster | but on a desktop apm is good enough huh? |
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| 17:24.52 | bzed | sidjster: If I remember right the main problem is that the acpi compiler from microsoft doesn;t take care of the acpi specifications |
| 17:25.00 | irix | Ozux, wb |
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| 17:25.18 | Ozux | irix, TNX alot |
| 17:25.20 | bzed | sidjster: on an older one, if you don't need acpi - sure, why not. |
| 17:25.27 | sidjster | tree huggers worried about power management? |
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| 17:25.31 | xingu | better fool outwits foolproof type checking in compiler shocker |
| 17:25.48 | Ozux | irix, balki #debian.tr de iyi gelse! |
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| 17:26.00 | bosko | Does anyone know what I can do about my ATI Card to not sound like its using MAX POWER at all times? Even with low usage, my video card sounds the same as when I am running high-end games on Windows |
| 17:26.03 | winner | How can i see the source files from the .deb package file ? or i hve to download the source package. |
| 17:26.08 | sidjster | most of that scaling dosent work anyway |
| 17:26.12 | bzed | sidjster: acpi and apm can do power managment :P |
| 17:26.19 | abrotman | winner: you want the source used to build it ? |
| 17:26.19 | bzed | winner: apt-get source packagename |
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| 17:26.50 | winner | thanx.. but how can i do it using aptitude ? any suggestions pls |
| 17:27.06 | abrotman | winner: man aptitude |
| 17:27.12 | winner | ;-) |
| 17:27.21 | winner | thanx.. |
| 17:27.29 | bzed | winner: not sure if aptitude source works, but just use apt-get, it'll throw the sources of that package into the current directory |
| 17:27.42 | bzed | winner: it's not like with rpm that it'll install some source packages or so |
| 17:27.43 | selim | bzed: thank you for your help |
| 17:27.44 | hyperactivecrond | has anybody gotten the Crystal CS4237B isa sound card working in Debian? |
| 17:27.44 | winner | cool.. thanx again. |
| 17:27.52 | Ramattack | does compiz have the same cube effect as beryl? |
| 17:27.55 | bzed | selim: np :) noes it work again? |
| 17:27.55 | selim | bzed: it all seems to work now |
| 17:27.58 | bzed | fine |
| 17:28.22 | hyperactivecrond | this would be under kernel 2.6.9 |
| 17:28.37 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: is it a pnp model? |
| 17:28.52 | selim | bzed: do you have some idea what could cause this openbsd-inetd problem? |
| 17:29.05 | bzed | selim: some fucked up settings in /etc/inetd.conf? |
| 17:29.22 | hyperactivecrond | bzed, i guess |
| 17:29.30 | hyperactivecrond | but pnpdump won't find it under 2.6.9 |
| 17:29.40 | hyperactivecrond | i'll try under the default 2.4.x kernel that sarge installs... |
| 17:29.49 | selim | bzed: I never change the inetd.conf all changes have been made by aptitude |
| 17:30.02 | hyperactivecrond | <it's a Pentium MMX 233MHZ 128MB of ram so bear with me> |
| 17:30.07 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: there's alsa-config or so to configure isa cards |
| 17:30.13 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: if I remember right |
| 17:30.21 | hyperactivecrond | bzed: fine and dandy but it doesn't seem to find it |
| 17:30.28 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: and you still have a cirrus logic card, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Cirrus+Logic&card=.&chip=CS4235%2C+CS4236%2C+CS4236B%2C+CS4237B%2C+CS4238B%2C+CS4239&module=cs4236 |
| 17:30.46 | hyperactivecrond | bzed: pnpdummp won't find it |
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| 17:31.00 | Ramattack | bzed do you know if compiz has the same effects as beryl? |
| 17:31.01 | bzed | selim: packages install themselve in there |
| 17:31.09 | bosko | Has anyone worked with ATI Cards on Debian? My card seems to be constantly running at a "high usage" mode even when I'm not doing anything special. This doesn't happen on Windows at all, just Debian |
| 17:31.16 | bzed | Ramattack: i don;t use any of them |
| 17:31.17 | Malagmyr | Someone is hammering one of my boxes, trying to log in as "carshowguide"... |
| 17:31.18 | Malagmyr | wtf? |
| 17:31.27 | bzed | lol Malagmyr |
| 17:31.30 | Ramattack | you use normal xfree? |
| 17:31.31 | hyperactivecrond | s/dummp/dump |
| 17:31.33 | bzed | dum script kiddies |
| 17:31.36 | bzed | *dumb |
| 17:31.41 | xingu | bosko: radeontool any use to you? |
| 17:31.49 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: pnpdump does not depend on kernel features |
| 17:31.50 | winner | when i do apt-get source libmpeg2-4-dev i m getting E: You must put some âsourceâ URIs in your sources.list the repository is in my harddisk only .. do i have to provide URLs ? |
| 17:31.50 | bzed | Malagmyr: apt-cache show fail2ban |
| 17:31.58 | Malagmyr | seriously, how many of you have a user named carshowguide? anyone? |
| 17:32.13 | Malagmyr | bzed: i'm on it :) |
| 17:32.13 | selim | bzed: hmm so it could be a install problem?! |
| 17:32.14 | hyperactivecrond | valdyn, ok, so if pnpdump doesn't find it i'm screwed? |
| 17:32.20 | bosko | xingu, don't think so .. never used it. I'm using the fglrx drivers and haven't had much luck with trying to find a solution to this |
| 17:32.31 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: why do you think it was an isapnp card? |
| 17:32.38 | bzed | selim: yeah, or an upgrade problem. the purge removed all configs, though |
| 17:32.59 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: no, then you take the card out, look at the jjumpers and write the irq and port settings down |
| 17:33.05 | hyperactivecrond | bzed: it's on a laptop |
| 17:33.07 | selim | bzed: great thank you for everything |
| 17:33.09 | xingu | bosko: I figure you've got three options; put up with it, write a nasty letter to the vendor, or reverse engineer the hardware. |
| 17:33.23 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: then you need the docu at the alsa project to figuure out how to pass them to the alsa module |
| 17:33.29 | bosko | So basically there's nothing I can do? :P That stinks |
| 17:33.31 | hyperactivecrond | bzed: let me see if pnpbios isn't working |
| 17:33.32 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: ouch! |
| 17:33.38 | bzed | good lucjk |
| 17:33.49 | valdyn | isapnp does not need bios support |
| 17:34.02 | hyperactivecrond | valdyn: i see that quickboot may be enabled.. |
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| 17:34.11 | bzed | that shouldn;t be the problem |
| 17:34.22 | bzed | look if you have settings for pnp compatible OSes |
| 17:34.30 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: that's irrelevant, and you did not yet answer my first question |
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| 17:35.56 | hyperactivecrond | valdyn: it is according to tldp |
| 17:35.59 | drc | hey, anyone familiar with dpkg-deb? |
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| 17:36.26 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: provide a URL or something please |
| 17:36.29 | bzed | valdyn: those chips were either isa or isa-pnp chips I think |
| 17:36.41 | bzed | valdyn: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Cirrus+Logic&card=.&chip=CS4235%2C+CS4236%2C+CS4236B%2C+CS4237B%2C+CS4238B%2C+CS4239&module=cs4236 |
| 17:36.49 | drc | im trying to build a pkg and get some empty value error |
| 17:37.01 | drc | near line 10 package `samba-3.0.24': empty value for version |
| 17:37.24 | valdyn | bzed: some cards even have a jumper to switch isapnp on or off, no idea about this one |
| 17:37.41 | bzed | drc: try dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 17:38.06 | bzed | valdyn: yeah, stupdi thing is that it is built into a laptop this time |
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| 17:38.09 | hyperactivecrond | i turned off quick boot maybe that'll help |
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| 17:38.58 | hyperactivecrond | or more specifically, boot speed = thorough |
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| 17:39.47 | hyperactivecrond | ick still nothing found by pnpdump |
| 17:39.49 | drc | bzed: it cant find debian/changelogf |
| 17:39.52 | drc | *-f |
| 17:39.55 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: no, it won't ;) updating your kernel could help yhough, a lot of stuff was moved from OSS to alsa during the first versions of 2.6., so probably a recent one will work better, not sure, though. |
| 17:40.06 | bzed | drc: do you know how to build a debian package? |
| 17:40.07 | drc | bzed: i usually use checkinstall cuz its faster but it still whines |
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| 17:40.11 | hyperactivecrond | bzed: would 2.6.9 be okay |
| 17:40.15 | drc | bzed: no, not really |
| 17:40.22 | bosko | Is there a way to get the third mouse-button scrolling functionality you see in windows on debian? |
| 17:40.25 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: do you still have dos or windows bootable on that laptop? |
| 17:40.29 | drc | bzed: thats why i use checkinstall |
| 17:40.31 | bzed | hyperactivecrond: you'd have to read the changelogs, I don;t know |
| 17:40.33 | hyperactivecrond | valdyn: no |
| 17:40.41 | bzed | drc: why don;t you just use debian's sambe? |
| 17:41.00 | bzed | *samba |
| 17:41.18 | drc | bzed: i got some problems in it |
| 17:41.21 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: it likely just isn't isapnp but just isa, so you have to figure out the irq at least |
| 17:41.21 | drc | some strange problems |
| 17:41.32 | drc | so i decided to see if it was ver specific |
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| 17:41.44 | drc | some zero stuff it complained |
| 17:41.55 | hyperactivecrond | valdyn: other than installing windows, is it possible to do this without cracking the thing open? |
| 17:41.57 | drc | the server shutdown as soon as i tried to connect to it |
| 17:42.15 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: there's only 15 irq's available |
| 17:42.36 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: some of those are already used by some other isa devices |
| 17:42.59 | bzed | drc: which version are you using? |
| 17:43.03 | hyperactivecrond | valdyn: i found somethign that may help me.. it's written for deb potato and the model of laptop that i have hold on |
| 17:43.30 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: does dmidecode tell you anything useful about it? |
| 17:43.52 | bzed | drc: you could isntall it to /usr/local, though, or just throw it into any other dir to test |
| 17:44.13 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: fritz isa cards required windows to _set_ the irq, ioport was jumpered, changing irq could only be done on windows ( or maybe dos ) |
| 17:44.32 | drc | yeah, i think ill do that now |
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| 17:44.36 | drc | just to see |
| 17:44.47 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: if the card was set to a used irq and you had no win / dos to boot, you'd be fucked |
| 17:44.59 | hyperactivecrond | valdyn, would freedos help me here/ |
| 17:45.04 | hyperactivecrond | iirc they have a livecd? |
| 17:45.05 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: at least it wont be already used on a laptop |
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| 17:45.09 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: also, lspnp might help too. |
| 17:45.18 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: its not dos that helps you but the proprietary setup tool |
| 17:45.23 | hyperactivecrond | lspnp: /proc/bus/pnp not available |
| 17:45.37 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: however if i was guessing blind I'd try: modprobe snd-cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 |
| 17:46.28 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: cat /proc/interrupts and cat /proc/dma will show dma / irq used by already loaded drivers |
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| 17:46.43 | drc | bzed: i just didnt find any uninstall target :( |
| 17:46.54 | drc | tho thats not important atm |
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| 17:47.43 | x_link | Hi... I just got a file called SMC_Setup_0.99.4.exe |
| 17:47.52 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: only 8 irqs on isa, or so it looks, i don't remember |
| 17:47.58 | x_link | I have wine as well... shouldn't I just double click for wine to open? |
| 17:48.03 | hyperactivecrond | ok so i have 0 1 2 8 11 12 14 1nd 15 used |
| 17:48.06 | hyperactivecrond | s/1nd/and |
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| 17:49.42 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: you probably have isa and pci on that laptop? |
| 17:49.43 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: try the above, it matches 2/3'rds of stinkpads and dells from that era. |
| 17:49.43 | hyperactivecrond | if it matters, 2.4.27-3-386 is the kernel i'm using |
| 17:49.43 | valdyn | hyperactivecrond: irq can only be 1-8 |
| 17:49.43 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: no. |
| 17:49.43 | hyperactivecrond | xingu, it didn't work |
| 17:49.43 | kuzew | Afternoon all, would someone like to help me with a problem I've been having after an dist-upgrade? |
| 17:49.43 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: you're using alsa? or oss? |
| 17:49.43 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: hopefully alsa |
| 17:49.43 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: well i WANT to use alsa |
| 17:49.45 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: what's the notebook make/model, and what response was there to the above? |
| 17:50.12 | dromer | hi, I'm having trouble getting my wordpress setup right. atm when I use the debian-script I don't know how to get it to point to my /home/user/public_html/blog (or similar) can anybody help me with this? |
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| 17:50.29 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: i have no snd-cs4236. maybe it's because i have 2.4.27 kernel.. |
| 17:50.35 | hyperactivecrond | i tried cs4232.o |
| 17:50.48 | hyperactivecrond | http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/pmojav/io.htm |
| 17:50.59 | hyperactivecrond | hmm here are irq and io assignments from dell |
| 17:51.16 | hyperactivecrond | OK irq5 should be for the audio controller |
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| 17:51.21 | hyperactivecrond | this is a dell latitude cp |
| 17:51.23 | Ogl | good day =) |
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| 17:52.44 | hyperactivecrond | in the I/O map that dell gave, there are two ranges for the audio controller and one for the audio board |
| 17:53.02 | hyperactivecrond | maybe i should try the 2.6.9 kernel that i have installed |
| 17:53.05 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: yep, looks like you get to build your own alsa or kernel |
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| 17:53.29 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: but dell has the i/o port and irq assignments available http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/pmojav/io.htm <-- here |
| 17:53.34 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know of a decent email client that works in both windows and debian? I'm currently using Opera's one but I'm fed up with it. |
| 17:53.39 | Ogl | im having a problem with kernel compilation, 2.6.20 when i try to boot it, i get the msg VSF: Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown - block(0,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel Panic not syncing: VSF: unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0)... my hd is a ST9408114A |
| 17:53.58 | valdyn | !cusetom kernel |
| 17:54.02 | valdyn | !custom kernel |
| 17:54.02 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 17:54.11 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, is there any repositories for cinerella (for Debian), |
| 17:54.11 | Fahrenheit | I found this one : http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/pentium4/ but I don't have his gpg key, how can I get it ? |
| 17:54.11 | Fahrenheit | Or is hthere another repository ? |
| 17:54.25 | Ogl | !custom kernel |
| 17:54.26 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 17:54.31 | Knight_Lord | Ogl what filesystem do y ouhave? is it compiled in? |
| 17:54.34 | hyperactivecrond | why yes i have pci and isa btw |
| 17:54.38 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: cs4236/7 != cs4232 |
| 17:54.47 | Ogl | Knight_Lord ext3 |
| 17:54.48 | Ogl | :) |
| 17:54.50 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: ok then let's see if 2.6.8 has the correct kerne |
| 17:54.50 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: in fact the driver for the latter appears to obsolete the former |
| 17:54.53 | Knight_Lord | Ogl are you sure the order or name of the devices didn't change? |
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| 17:55.12 | Ogl | what do u mean Knight_Lord ? |
| 17:55.21 | Knight_Lord | Ogl like hda changing to sda |
| 17:55.27 | Ogl | hmmmm |
| 17:55.35 | Ogl | how can i check that? |
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| 17:55.46 | Ogl | sda is not scsi? |
| 17:55.49 | Knight_Lord | Knight_Lord happens to SATA hard drives somewhere along the kernel tree |
| 17:55.49 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: io 0x530, irq 5 at least is right; I think your only problem is a lack of snd_cs4236.ko |
| 17:56.02 | Knight_Lord | Ogl ^ |
| 17:56.13 | Ogl | i see |
| 17:56.25 | Ogl | sorry for my lack of knowledge :) |
| 17:56.38 | Knight_Lord | You can usually check on dmesg |
| 17:56.45 | Knight_Lord | If it shows hda or sda |
| 17:56.47 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: ok lemme try now i have snd-cs4236.ko |
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| 17:57.06 | Knight_Lord | Ogl sata is treated as scsi |
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| 17:57.38 | Knight_Lord | Ogl no need to apologuise, there's nothing wrong with being ignorant, the problem is those that don't want to learn |
| 17:57.43 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: i get the following output |
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| 17:57.52 | Ogl | hda: ST9408114A, ATA DISK drive |
| 17:57.56 | HyperDevil | how do i mount a ftp folder to my local disk? |
| 17:57.59 | hyperactivecrond | CS4236+ soundcard not found or device busy |
| 17:58.06 | Ogl | Knight_Lord thanks =) |
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| 17:58.31 | Knight_Lord | Ogl did you installed the initrd? |
| 17:58.44 | hyperactivecrond | FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4236 (/lib/mdoules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4236.ko): No such device |
| 17:58.46 | Knight_Lord | Ogl is this the first time you compile a 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:58.56 | Ogl | Knight_Lord yeah |
| 17:58.57 | hyperactivecrond | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cs4236 |
| 17:59.05 | Ogl | i compiled it with |
| 17:59.21 | Knight_Lord | Ogl and did you do the corresponding mkinitrd or the corresponding command? |
| 17:59.39 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: is that your currently booted kernel? |
| 17:59.39 | HyperDevil | how do i mount a ftp folder to my local disk? |
| 17:59.39 | Ogl | make-kpkg --us --uc kernel_image |
| 17:59.40 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: yes. |
| 17:59.49 | Ogl | should i use --initrd? |
| 17:59.49 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: ... if so perhaps try also .... isapnp=0 on the end. |
| 17:59.58 | Knight_Lord | Ogl oh I see, I'm not very experience with building kernels that way |
| 18:00.13 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: same error |
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| 18:00.58 | Ogl | ill try with initrd option :) |
| 18:01.52 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: hmm; perhaps cat "options snd-cs4236 port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0" >/etc/modprobe.d/cs4236 |
| 18:02.10 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: then modprobe again; it's possible that modprobe isn't passing the options/args. |
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| 18:02.28 | Knight_Lord | Anyone knows a good email client that also runs in windows? |
| 18:02.41 | hyperactivecrond | xingu, shouldn't it be >> not > ? |
| 18:02.45 | hyperactivecrond | Knight_Lord, thunderbird |
| 18:02.48 | hyperactivecrond | Knight_Lord, evolution |
| 18:02.48 | schme | Knight_Lord: gnus |
| 18:02.49 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: only if the file exists already |
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| 18:03.31 | peteweez | What command can I use to get a list of all processes a user has running (particularly the first process he/she initiated)? |
| 18:03.56 | Knight_Lord | peteweez os |
| 18:03.58 | Knight_Lord | ps |
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| 18:04.20 | bzed | peteweez: ps -f -u username |
| 18:04.22 | hyperactivecrond | cat: <whatyoutoldmetotype> no such file or directory |
| 18:04.29 | peteweez | bzed: thanx |
| 18:04.32 | xingu | petemc: pgrep -u |
| 18:04.50 | xingu | s/petemc/peteweez/ |
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| 18:05.01 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: s/cat/echo/ whoops. |
| 18:05.07 | hyperactivecrond | xingu, lol ok |
| 18:05.42 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: still same error |
| 18:06.10 | rdz | hi all. i accidentally plugged out the power of my computer. now when i do 'apt-get install', i get: "Segmentation faulty tree... 50%". i assume some file is broken. any ideas which file that could be? |
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| 18:06.58 | Erich | Hey there, I'm thinkinh of switching to debian from opensuse and I was wondering if debian has Synaptic? |
| 18:07.11 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: try - "setpnp 0f on" |
| 18:07.13 | bzed | Erich: yes |
| 18:07.16 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: then repeat modprobe? |
| 18:07.28 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: same error |
| 18:07.36 | hyperactivecrond | i'm thinking it's not pnp |
| 18:07.48 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: do you get anything from pnpdump now after the setpnp? |
| 18:07.50 | Erich | bzed: Thanks |
| 18:07.51 | bzed | rdz: paste the exact error into a pastebin please |
| 18:08.01 | rdz | bzed, |
| 18:08.02 | rdz | ok |
| 18:08.21 | bzed | Erich: debian has a far more advanaced pacakging system than any rpm based distibution anyway |
| 18:08.35 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: no |
| 18:08.58 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: ok remove the modprobe.d file and just try modprobe snd-cs4232 |
| 18:09.15 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: 4232?? |
| 18:09.18 | xingu | yep. |
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| 18:09.34 | rdz | bzed, my error: http://rafb.net/p/2M0ZgN36.html |
| 18:09.47 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: same error except for cs4232 instead of 6 |
| 18:09.56 | rdz | bzed, it's not much more info than i gave you before....unfortunately |
| 18:10.02 | abrotman | !segfault |
| 18:10.03 | dpkg | i guess segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 18:10.05 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:10.06 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 18:10.07 | dpkg | sig11 is probably Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 18:10.27 | bzed | rdz: So I suspect corrupted data files. delete /var/cache/apt/*.bin followed by “apt-get update†to reset apt.Which indeed fixed this error condition. |
| 18:10.41 | rdz | bzed, many thanks |
| 18:10.57 | abrotman | that's a weird error |
| 18:10.57 | bzed | rdz: err, too lazy to type by myself, that was a fast google result. I guess apt-get clean will help, too |
| 18:11.13 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: do you currently have pcmcia stuff running? |
| 18:11.33 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: only cardmgr |
| 18:11.38 | hyperactivecrond | and pccardd |
| 18:12.20 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: ok, in /etc/pcmcia/config.opts - comment out the line "include port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0x1000-0x17ff" |
| 18:12.38 | rdz | bzed, many thank. that was it. apt-get installs again. |
| 18:12.55 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: then restart pcmcia |
| 18:13.08 | bzed | rdz: np |
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| 18:13.30 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: done and done |
| 18:13.48 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: now try modprobe of cs4236 again (yes, 6) |
| 18:14.02 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: same error |
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| 18:14.15 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: "gah". :) bloody brokenated hardware. |
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| 18:14.37 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: maybe reboot; it's possible the sound chip is totally confused by now. |
| 18:14.43 | hyperactivecrond | <irony> it's easier to get word 2003 running under linux than this card which is supposedly supported</irony |
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| 18:14.52 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: ok.. |
| 18:15.00 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: after reboot, lets try a straight insmod with args... |
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| 18:15.15 | hyperactivecrond | i'm at the grub screen now |
| 18:15.25 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: insmod /lib/modules/whatever/snd-cs4236.ko port=0x530 cport=0x538 irq=5 dma1=1 dma2=0 |
| 18:15.31 | hyperactivecrond | Latitude CP M233xt for the record |
| 18:18.14 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: http://optics.eee.nottingham.ac.uk/laptop/linux_on_latitude.html |
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| 18:18.56 | nyty | hello |
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| 18:18.59 | nyty | is beryl GNU/GPL ? |
| 18:19.06 | nyty | vista uses parts from beryl |
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| 18:19.24 | nyty | and if is beryl gnu/gpl, it`s good |
| 18:19.27 | hyperactivecrond | xingu, lemme put that into a file |
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| 18:20.21 | archville | Sad thing, i had to rename nvidiafb.ko to avoid the kernel loading it and be able to install nvidia drivers :\ |
| 18:21.11 | h3sp4wn | nyty: It is GPL - compiz has a more liberal MIT license |
| 18:21.27 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: that link has ... port=0x530 cport=0x210 mpu_port=0x330 fm_port=0x388 irq=5 mpu_irq=9 dma1=1 dma2=-1 isapnp=0 |
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| 18:21.49 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: cport and dma1 are different; this is worth trying. |
| 18:21.59 | tedz | What is the standard way to install etch? Download a sarge iso and then upgrade afterwards or doing a netinstall ? |
| 18:22.10 | HymnToLife | !etch |
| 18:22.10 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:22.31 | HymnToLife | tedz, there are "standard" (i.e. not netinst) CDs for etch too |
| 18:22.32 | nyty | okay |
| 18:22.34 | nyty | and |
| 18:22.40 | nyty | are anyoe patented ideas of beryl |
| 18:22.46 | nyty | @ 3d windows apod |
| 18:22.47 | HymnToLife | I've ran it for a while |
| 18:22.58 | HymnToLife | funny but not ready for day-to-day use imo |
| 18:23.01 | tedz | HymnToLife: oh ok, thanks |
| 18:23.33 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: no cigar |
| 18:23.34 | hyperactivecrond | still error |
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| 18:26.18 | xingu | using insmod? |
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| 18:27.38 | StarWars | any vsftpd Guru ? need conf help :) |
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| 18:27.53 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: aah, also please do "setpnp 0f on" again and retry using insmod with the ... cport=0x210... arg trail. |
| 18:27.57 | StarWars | my vsftpd start as root ..i dont whant theat |
| 18:28.23 | |dennis| | xingu: reboot=bios fixed it..weird...you think its a bug in the bios? |
| 18:28.24 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: still the same error |
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| 18:28.43 | xingu | |dennis|: either bios or in the keyboard controller |
| 18:28.53 | |dennis| | keyboard? |
| 18:28.57 | xingu | |dennis|: bios bug or hardware cockup, could be either. |
| 18:29.02 | digijohn | Hi folks. I'm running Debian testing. I've got two monitors set up using the nvidia driver and twinview |
| 18:29.11 | digijohn | When I try to run a fullscreen game, X restarts |
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| 18:29.24 | xingu | hyperactivecrond: that's me out of ideas, in theory that's the right resource map; have you got a current bios on the notebook? |
| 18:29.43 | hyperactivecrond | xingu: the one that came with it... idk if there ARE any more updates to it |
| 18:29.45 | |dennis| | xingu: i dont htink is hardware cokup unles all of the new 52 machines we got have the same hardware cockup..heh..probably a bug or something.. |
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| 18:30.18 | hyperactivecrond | and of course yum on the fedora box i'm on is dying with errors in cryptic python so i can't ktorrent for an operating system that might help... |
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| 18:30.54 | |dennis| | xingu: i dont think is hardware cockup unless all of the new 52 machines we got have the same hardware cockup..heh..probably a bug or something.. |
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| 18:31.49 | xingu | |dennis|: new hardware is just as prone to design screwups as old hardware; would be interesting to find out if windows behaved the same way on its reboot loop using an acpi hal |
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| 18:32.17 | xingu | |dennis|: is it a pci-e system? |
| 18:32.23 | |dennis| | nope.. |
| 18:32.38 | |dennis| | its s syetm we bought from tigerdirect in the US...foxconn sisi 661mxPro motherboard.. |
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| 18:32.45 | |dennis| | socket 478 |
| 18:32.57 | |dennis| | sis chipset |
| 18:33.16 | StarWars | my vsftpd start as root ..i dont whant theat , and i whant port 21 cheange |
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| 18:34.07 | StarWars | !vsftpd |
| 18:34.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ... |
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| 18:34.09 | |dennis| | xingu: i will also try it with an older version of etch...see if it does the same thing...by default.... |
| 18:34.15 | |dennis| | xingu: anyways..thanks a bunch... |
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| 18:36.54 | bzed | StarWars: why not? :P |
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| 18:37.16 | bzed | StarWars: how else should vsftp be able to change it's userid to the user who logs in? |
| 18:37.39 | StarWars | as ftp user ;p |
| 18:37.50 | StarWars | as root he put me to / |
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| 18:37.56 | elshaa | hi |
| 18:38.01 | bzed | you can configure the user it'll use if you login anonymously |
| 18:38.08 | bzed | StarWars: ^^ |
| 18:38.15 | bzed | and you do not want to allow root login :PO |
| 18:38.23 | StarWars | so i login in and i can go to /etc/ /var .. not normal ..i must go to /home/User |
| 18:38.34 | bzed | read the docu! |
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| 18:38.44 | StarWars | where is doc |
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| 18:38.59 | elshaa | I have a pb mounting nfs with debian as the client. I get the error message : "mount: Protocol not supported" . I simply run : "mount -t nfs 10.0.0.1:/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt/"... |
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| 18:39.24 | bzed | StarWars: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/ |
| 18:39.37 | StarWars | bzed 10x |
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| 18:39.43 | xL0giC | elshaa: do you have nfs built in your kernel? |
| 18:39.44 | stew | elshaa: is nfs-common installed on the client? |
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| 18:40.08 | StarWars | bzed can i cheange port 21 to other ? |
| 18:40.28 | StarWars | my problem is the chown off home dir :) |
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| 18:41.11 | bzed | StarWars: what is a chown off home dir!? |
| 18:41.25 | StarWars | is / |
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| 18:41.42 | stew | elshaa: or what is the output of "rpcinfo -p 10.0.0.1" |
| 18:41.43 | bzed | that's the root directory |
| 18:41.54 | StarWars | i login as a normal user and i see the home to / ..normal must be /home/userName |
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| 18:42.11 | StarWars | yes at this moment is / the root dir . |
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| 18:42.20 | bzed | StarWars: ah. well, that's what you want |
| 18:42.35 | bzed | StarWars: you don;t want that your users are able to run around anywhere in your system |
| 18:42.46 | StarWars | Yeah bzed |
| 18:43.08 | bzed | so where's the problem!? |
| 18:43.12 | StarWars | and i must cheange port defoult 21 |
| 18:43.57 | StarWars | i must Conf the home dir from / to $Home off the user login |
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| 18:44.24 | StarWars | i login as StarWars i must be to /home/StarWars no / |
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| 18:45.01 | bzed | StarWars: look wher eyou are when you log in, I'm pretty sure you're in you're chrooted into your homw directory and NOT in /. create a file and look where it is |
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| 18:45.13 | elshaa | xL0giC: yes, nfs build in the kernel. |
| 18:45.22 | elshaa | stew: yep, nfs-common installed. |
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| 18:45.31 | bzed | StarWars: listen_port is what you need to change (if you really want that, you probably also want to change port 20 to somethign else then...) read AND understand http://vsftpd.beasts.org/vsftpd_conf.html |
| 18:45.34 | elshaa | here is the output of rpcinfo -p 10.0.0.1 : http://pastebin.ca/371882 |
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| 18:46.08 | StarWars | bzed i login via ftp web and i am in / i see theer all the Home /root /etc/ /var /tmp ...etc |
| 18:46.33 | stoned | Sraw Rats |
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| 18:46.48 | stoned | whoah that not good bro |
| 18:46.50 | StarWars | is 21 when i login laike ftp://ftp.domain.ltd |
| 18:46.57 | stoned | I just jump in, but lock your users in their home dir |
| 18:47.05 | stoned | you don't let pepole access / on ftp |
| 18:47.05 | bzed | StarWars: look for the chroot_local_user option |
| 18:47.07 | stoned | ffs |
| 18:47.24 | bzed | StarWars: and now GO and read the configuration manual |
| 18:47.34 | StarWars | i start read |
| 18:47.35 | stoned | actually the sample config is well commented |
| 18:47.46 | stoned | but if you need extra options not in conf already |
| 18:47.52 | stoned | you should read the docs anyway |
| 18:47.59 | bzed | StarWars: if you don't understand it, THEN ask. not before. http://vsftpd.beasts.org/vsftpd_conf.html |
| 18:48.03 | xL0giC | elshaa: so you can't mount nfs shares at all? |
| 18:48.16 | elshaa | xL0giC: that' pretty much it :) |
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| 18:48.29 | stoned | elshaa: you have nfs-kernel-server installed? |
| 18:48.47 | stoned | elshaa: you also have the nfs server exporting the selecteced dir in /etc/exports? |
| 18:49.05 | elshaa | stoned: I don't need the nfs server side. (I think) |
| 18:49.11 | xL0giC | elshaa: is your issue on the server or the client? |
| 18:49.16 | stoned | elshaa: you neeed to only mount the nfs share? |
| 18:49.31 | xL0giC | elshaa: exactly, if the probs on the client, you don't need the server part.. |
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| 18:49.50 | stoned | elshaa: whats the problem on client side, what msg do you get when you try to mount the nfs share |
| 18:49.52 | elshaa | xL0giC: I don't know. I only have 2 computers, running the server, and the other trying to mount remote dir. |
| 18:50.17 | elshaa | stoned: |
| 18:50.18 | elshaa | black:/var/openacs# mount 10.0.0.1:/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt/ |
| 18:50.18 | elshaa | mount: Protocol not supported |
| 18:50.24 | elshaa | that's all. |
| 18:50.29 | stoned | wrong mount |
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| 18:50.40 | StarWars | bzed my vsftp is login as root :) lock |
| 18:50.41 | stoned | do it as root, and mount -t nfs /blah /blah |
| 18:50.52 | elshaa | stoned: even -t nfs doesn't make the job |
| 18:50.59 | bzed | !tell StarWars about ask |
| 18:51.04 | StarWars | bzed FTP root at mydomain.net |
| 18:51.05 | stoned | !nfs |
| 18:51.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 18:51.08 | elshaa | stoned: and I don't have the mount_nfs ou mountnfs command |
| 18:51.44 | bzed | StarWars: that's not a question |
| 18:51.57 | bzed | elshaa: nfs-common is installed? |
| 18:51.58 | xL0giC | elshaa: mount -t nfs //server_ip/share /mountpoint |
| 18:52.03 | elshaa | bzed: yes |
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| 18:52.32 | bzed | xL0giC: O_o //server/ .. that's samba... ip:/dir... that's it |
| 18:52.38 | stoned | xL0giC: that doens't seem like the proper nfs syntax |
| 18:52.39 | elshaa | xL0giC: |
| 18:52.40 | elshaa | black:/var/openacs# mount -t nfs //10.0.0.1/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt/ |
| 18:52.40 | elshaa | mount: directory to mount not in host:dir format |
| 18:52.44 | stoned | host:/path |
| 18:52.52 | elshaa | erf :/ |
| 18:52.54 | bzed | not //host |
| 18:53.03 | xL0giC | bzed: true. i was thinking smb |
| 18:53.09 | bzed | mount -t nfs 10.0.0.1:/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt |
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| 18:53.39 | bzed | elshaa: what's the output of showmount -e 10.0.0.1 ? |
| 18:53.43 | stoned | elshaa: mount -t nfs 10.0.0.1:/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt/ <-- what output do you get |
| 18:53.53 | elshaa | bzed: it return the right things : |
| 18:54.01 | elshaa | Export list for 10.0.0.1: |
| 18:54.01 | elshaa | /private/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry (everyone) |
| 18:54.22 | bzed | mount -t nfs 10.0.0.1:/private/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt << use this then |
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| 18:55.04 | loiic | hi |
| 18:55.04 | elshaa | bzed: that's what I try since the beginning |
| 18:55.14 | elshaa | stoned: black:/var/openacs# mount -t nfs 10.0.0.1:/private/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt |
| 18:55.17 | elshaa | mount: Protocol not supported |
| 18:55.19 | bzed | elshaa: no, you've tried it without the /private |
| 18:55.28 | bzed | ah, the it was missing up there |
| 18:55.45 | elshaa | bzed: OMFG ! |
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| 18:55.53 | loiic | for some reason i need to modify the postinst file in /var/lib/dpkg after install a package, and then i'd like to reinstall the package without it unpacking the .deb archive again (which make me lose my changes) is that possible? |
| 18:55.56 | elshaa | I forgot I changed the export path from /var.... to /private/var... |
| 18:56.09 | loiic | can't be bothered doing a new .deb everything i have to do that |
| 18:56.19 | stoned | elshaa: therefore the first two questions I asked. If you had looked then ... |
| 18:56.20 | stoned | but nevermind |
| 18:56.30 | g333k_laptop | Hi, why I wouldnt see AVI files in VLC? I can watch them using totem |
| 18:56.35 | stoned | wasting time |
| 18:56.48 | elshaa | stoned: answer at 19h50 |
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| 18:56.58 | sysadm1n | hi there |
| 18:57.21 | stoned | elshaa: I think I said are you sure the right thing is being exported |
| 18:57.27 | krnl`-- | how can allocate memory with a process more than a gigabyte with kernel 2.4? |
| 18:57.30 | sysadm1n | where can I find a howto to install and configure the X after install Debian base? |
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| 18:57.39 | stew | !drxx sysadm1n |
| 18:57.40 | bzed | stoned: haha, the right thing was exported, but the wrong thing mounted :P |
| 18:57.40 | dpkg | sysadm1n: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:57.41 | sysadm1n | I', looking for GNOME 2.16 |
| 18:57.42 | bzed | :D |
| 18:57.45 | elshaa | bzed: too bad : I keep getting the "protocol not supported" error |
| 18:57.53 | stew | sysadm1n: you won't find gnome 2.16 in debian |
| 18:58.08 | justin | sysadm1n: apt-get install x-window-system gnome |
| 18:58.22 | slawmaster | Hi; I just upgraded my nvidia driver to the latest, and now my Twinview configuration is kinda messed up. I used to run one monitor at 1600x1200 and the other at 1280x1024, but now those settings don't work. What's up here? |
| 18:58.27 | sysadm1n | stew: not ever in testing? |
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| 18:58.30 | elshaa | stoned: bzed now I'm sure I export the right thing, and tries to mount the right dir, but I still can't get it. |
| 18:58.38 | stoned | elshaa: bzed: I asked if 'selected' meaning the share he wanted to mount was being exported by the server or not |
| 18:58.41 | stew | sysadm1n: it will be in testing after the current testing is released |
| 18:58.44 | stoned | but anyway |
| 18:58.46 | bzed | elshaa: okay then... are you using different nfs versions on the machines? like v4 on one and v3 on the orher one? |
| 18:58.53 | stew | oh it looks like gnome 2.16 is currently in experimental |
| 18:59.05 | stoned | elshaa: I'm not sure if portmap has anything to do with yoru problem, but you have portmap running? |
| 18:59.17 | stoned | Ive no idea, just throwing it out there |
| 18:59.23 | mango | hi, I am running a powerbook g4 on debian. I am not able to run any usb device on it like a usb external hdd. could any one help please |
| 18:59.36 | sysadm1n | okay, I will take the last available on Debian, thanks! |
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| 18:59.52 | elshaa | stoned: both on the client and server, yes. |
| 18:59.54 | stoned | stew: around the 15th of feb |
| 18:59.57 | bzed | elshaa: rpcinfo -u 10.0.0.1 nfs <, does this work? |
| 18:59.58 | elshaa | bzed: let me check |
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| 19:00.21 | elshaa | bzed: black:/var/openacs# rpcinfo -u 10.0.0.1 nfs |
| 19:00.21 | elshaa | program 100003 version 2 ready and waiting |
| 19:00.21 | elshaa | program 100003 version 3 ready and waiting |
| 19:00.26 | stoned | !paster elshaa |
| 19:00.27 | dpkg | elshaa: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 19:00.41 | elshaa | even for 3 lines ? |
| 19:00.43 | bzed | so portmapper oin your server seems to work |
| 19:00.53 | bzed | elshaa: you'll be kicked for 4 ;P |
| 19:00.55 | stoned | I've never seen the error mount: protocol no found or whatever |
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| 19:01.14 | stoned | I can't find anything on google either |
| 19:01.16 | bzed | elshaa: did you do any updates recently? |
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| 19:01.50 | elshaa | bzed: from the server, a 'rpcinfo -u 10.0.0.2 nfs' (.2 is the client), I get : program 100003 version 2 ready and waiting |
| 19:01.55 | slawmaster | Nobody here had a similar problem? |
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| 19:02.22 | justin | slawmaster: read the X log? |
| 19:02.33 | xL0giC | slawmaster: what do you mean they don't work? error messages? |
| 19:02.39 | elshaa | bzed: hum, I will update the system. the client is a box that didn't run for some weeks. |
| 19:02.46 | Presently42 | I seem to be having a problem with libxml. I get an error when trying to compile Amarok (for example) which culminates with "undefined symbol: xmlIsBaseCharGroup". How can I fix that? |
| 19:02.49 | slawmaster | xL0giC: I mean that the higher resolution screen just doesn't turn on |
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| 19:03.12 | stoned | elshaa: do have the nfs kernel module loaded? |
| 19:03.16 | stoned | on client |
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| 19:03.21 | pablo_ | hi, does moinmoin wiki runs over apache? |
| 19:03.41 | bzed | elshaa: try this please: mount -t nfs -o nfsver=3 10.0.0.1:/private/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt |
| 19:03.46 | stoned | pablo_: I wouldn't think CMS applications are httpd dependant |
| 19:03.57 | bzed | elshaa: try this please: mount -t nfs -o nfsvers=3 10.0.0.1:/private/var/openacs/prjtrk-symetry /mnt |
| 19:04.00 | bzed | sorry, typo |
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| 19:04.30 | pablo_ | stoned: so it is a standalone server? |
| 19:04.47 | bzed | pablo_: you can run it as cgi or via mod_python, but chances are goot that it has a builtin server, too |
| 19:04.49 | ewanm89 | pablo_: It would have to run on some webserver and as long as you have support for the server side scripting (PHP,Perl,Python or Ruby) it'll work fine. |
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| 19:04.55 | stoned | pablo_: i should think it could run on httpd that supports the things it needs |
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| 19:05.07 | tenco | hi |
| 19:05.17 | tenco | i have a problem with dnsmasq |
| 19:05.18 | bzed | pablo_: I suggest to run it via mod_python, best way to do it imho. |
| 19:05.26 | bzed | !tell tenco about ask |
| 19:05.48 | slawmaster | perhaps I should just downgrade my NVIDIA driver |
| 19:05.58 | tenco | i configured it so, that i listens only on one interface, but when i do a nmap scan on both interfaces, service domain is open on both interfaces |
| 19:06.00 | elshaa | bzed: strange, same error. |
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| 19:06.33 | elshaa | stoned: the nfs support is compiled in, so no problem on this side |
| 19:06.38 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:06.41 | bzed | hmmmmm |
| 19:06.44 | elshaa | bzed: hold on, I have lots of outdated packages |
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| 19:07.08 | pablo_ | i just wanna know wiki.debian.org is a standalone server or is it running over apache? |
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| 19:07.20 | bzed | elshaa: which version is compiled in? v4 with support for v3? v3!? there're a lot of ways to configure nfs in the kernel, I'd not build it in, though |
| 19:07.44 | elshaa | bzed: v3 iirc, I'll check it. |
| 19:08.02 | bzed | pablo_: Apache/2.0.54 (Debian GNU/Linux) mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.3.5 |
| 19:08.03 | xL0giC | slawmaster: does the monitor work at the desired res when the other one isnt plugged in? i.e. non-dual-head |
| 19:08.04 | stoned | elshaa: http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC1813/Output/chapter5.html |
| 19:08.11 | slawmaster | xL0giC: lemme try |
| 19:08.42 | pablo_ | bzed: great, where did you get the info |
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| 19:09.36 | bzed | pablo_: by using telnet to connect to port 80 on that machine. you want to use mod_python for moinmoin, though |
| 19:09.48 | bzed | best way to run it |
| 19:10.11 | slawmaster | xL0giC: It doesn't seem to |
| 19:10.11 | bzed | pablo_: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/ApacheWithModPython |
| 19:10.24 | pablo_ | bzed: xD thanks |
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| 19:10.32 | slawmaster | xL0giC: still wrong resolution |
| 19:10.36 | elshaa | thanks stoned |
| 19:10.40 | bzed | elshaa: did you upgrade portmapper without restarting the nfs server probabyl? |
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| 19:11.06 | skyowner | elo |
| 19:11.10 | samuk | my cd drive is not detecting that i have put a blank cd into it, this drive has previously worked with another distro. is there a package missing? |
| 19:11.19 | elshaa | bzed: I think I forgot something in the kernel. |
| 19:11.29 | xL0giC | slawmaster: i'd try downgrading drivers, and if it works then its definitely some change implemented in the newer ones... |
| 19:11.59 | elshaa | bzed: I just have CONFIG_NFS_FS enabled, but not CONFIG_NFS_V3 |
| 19:12.06 | x_link | Hi.. I have a .rpm file.. I know I must use alien.. But how should the command be? |
| 19:12.09 | slawmaster | xL0giC: I should just be able to grab an older NVIDIA driver file and compile from that, right? |
| 19:12.15 | slawmaster | Nothing funky about downgrading? |
| 19:12.17 | x_link | Just alien "packagename.rpm" ? |
| 19:12.37 | stew | samuk: how are you trying to use the blank cd? |
| 19:12.40 | bzed | elshaa: sounds like a problem :P |
| 19:12.44 | xL0giC | slawmaster: sorry i don't have nvidia cards.. but there shouldnt be anything funky |
| 19:12.55 | samuk | i want to burn a iso onto it |
| 19:12.57 | bzed | elshaa: you probably just want to compile _all_ nfs stuff as module, the kernel will just load the stuff it needs |
| 19:13.11 | slawmaster | xL0giC: thanks |
| 19:13.16 | tenco | no clues for dnsmasq? or must this port be open on both external and internal interfaces? |
| 19:13.18 | samuk | i am trying to use the package brasero to do that |
| 19:13.37 | bzed | tenco: did you restart it? |
| 19:13.44 | tenco | bzed: yes |
| 19:13.47 | xL0giC | slawmaster: np. good luck and tell us what you found when you're done. |
| 19:13.49 | bzed | tenco: if yes, sure that it was restarted? |
| 19:13.59 | bzed | tenco: sure that you've specified the interface in the right way? |
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| 19:14.10 | tenco | bzed: i will double-check :) |
| 19:14.28 | bzed | tenco: err.. from where did you scan the machine? |
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| 19:15.49 | elshaa | bzed: ok :) This kernel is from a time I was freaking about module. psychologic thing. |
| 19:15.55 | tenco | bzed: it has a dyndns.org address |
| 19:16.26 | bzed | tenco: put the output of lsof -i udp into a pastebin please |
| 19:16.40 | bzed | elshaa: probably just build a recent kernel, too :P |
| 19:16.48 | bzed | elshaa: there were some security bugs in nfs |
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| 19:17.16 | elshaa | ok |
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| 19:17.43 | mango | I got this message when I plugged a usb pen drive onto a powerbook g4 computer. however I can not mount the device using the mount command. any help please |
| 19:18.08 | tenco | bzed: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7851/ |
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| 19:18.43 | mango | sorry this is the link http://pastebin.ca/371918 |
| 19:18.58 | bzed | tenco: yeah, dnsmasq is indeed listening on all interfaces. have a look into it's config and make sure it was restarted properly. if it still doesn;t work, paste your config |
| 19:19.03 | skyowner | i have a realy strange problem: i have share a directory with samba, that dir is accessible from the smbclient command but when i do it with windows i have an error on click someone cld help me ? |
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| 19:19.52 | bzed | mango: try modprobe usb-storage |
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| 19:20.31 | fausto | hi i have a problem with proftpd-mysql |
| 19:20.35 | bzed | mango: seems it doesn;t recognize the device, though. and your network interface seems to be on a trip |
| 19:20.36 | fausto | i installed the package |
| 19:20.45 | samuk | stew/ anyone know why my cd's are not being detected? |
| 19:20.50 | dvs | !tell fausto -about enter |
| 19:20.51 | fausto | but i can't use sql configuraton directives |
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| 19:21.12 | fausto | and this error Starting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'SQLAuthenticate' on line 9 of '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' |
| 19:21.12 | fausto | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.24 | bzed | samuk: does the cd recordning utility not detect it? |
| 19:21.40 | waspius | can someone tell me why when i try the sudo command i get that the admin will be notified and the command does not work? |
| 19:21.46 | bzed | samuk: if you want something graphical try k3b, it'll show you what's going on |
| 19:21.56 | dvs | waspius: wrong password? |
| 19:22.00 | fausto | i have proftpd-mysql installed debian install proftp and profptd-mysql if i try proftpd -l in the shell i can't see the mysql module.. |
| 19:22.06 | fausto | can someone help' |
| 19:22.12 | samuk | it says the drive is empty |
| 19:22.12 | bzed | waspius: because we're not ubuntu and you have to configure it first, or you're using the root password instead of yours |
| 19:22.14 | waspius | dvs: no |
| 19:22.33 | bzed | samuk: k3b says it?> |
| 19:22.34 | mango | bzed: thank you modprobe worked.thank you very much |
| 19:22.34 | waspius | oh dear..so how do i configure it? |
| 19:22.39 | samuk | if i put the same cd's into a mac then i can burn to them without problem |
| 19:22.55 | bzed | mango: np. that should happen automatically, though, not sure why it didn't ont hat machine |
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| 19:23.10 | fausto | someone can help? |
| 19:23.14 | skyowner | if someone can get an eye on my smb.conf |
| 19:23.15 | skyowner | http://www.pastebin.ca/371922 |
| 19:23.23 | samuk | brasero says no the cdr is ready, it is empty |
| 19:23.24 | bzed | waspius: use visudo to configure it. or jsut use su instead |
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| 19:23.37 | waspius | bzed: ok thanx |
| 19:24.12 | xsdg | How do I force apt-get to prefer ipv4 over ipv6? (my box picked up an ip6 addy from somewhere, but the route to the server I want to reach is broken) |
| 19:24.15 | tenco | bzed: ok. i checked the config, stopped dnsmasq, checked the output of ps, started dnsmasq. still the same. config is here: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7852/ |
| 19:24.15 | bzed | samuk: sounds like the burner doesn;t recognize the cdr |
| 19:24.45 | karmatronic | skyowner: you re trying to share your home directories ? |
| 19:24.50 | samuk | k3b does not show a burning device |
| 19:24.52 | stoned | mango |
| 19:24.55 | tenco | bzed: eth0 is external, eth1 is internal |
| 19:24.56 | stoned | whats an awesome nickname |
| 19:24.58 | stoned | I love mangos |
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| 19:25.13 | stoned | creamy mango icecream yum |
| 19:25.31 | samuk | i have a mango too, i may eat it now |
| 19:25.50 | bzed | tenco: then I have no clue. probably try except-interface=eth0 instead |
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| 19:26.42 | bzed | samuk: what's the output of id |
| 19:26.43 | bzed | ? |
| 19:27.51 | samuk | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
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| 19:28.32 | tenco | bzed: nope. time for iptables, i guess |
| 19:28.39 | bzed | samuk: eeeh ok, then you're allowed to access it :P which release are you using? |
| 19:28.42 | karmatronic | anyone used a bluetooth cellphone as a modem ? |
| 19:28.50 | samuk | etch |
| 19:29.01 | karmatronic | it used to work but it doesnt now... |
| 19:29.02 | bzed | tenco: hehe yeah, ytou wanna use that anyway. but if the config is ignored, that cries for a bugreport. |
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| 19:29.12 | bzed | samuk: you've wodim installed? |
| 19:29.12 | BjoeHrn | Hi |
| 19:29.12 | tenco | bzed: jep |
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| 19:29.35 | mango | why is mango so famous |
| 19:29.35 | tenco | bzed: but perhaps this port is supposed to be open for upstream requests? |
| 19:29.38 | samuk | yes |
| 19:29.45 | bzed | samuk: paste the output of wodim -scanbus into a pastebin please |
| 19:29.59 | BjoeHrn | Does any one know, where i can get a good sources.list? |
| 19:30.32 | bzed | tenco: no, that's a listening port, as in beeing a server, that's not needed to get somethign from the DNS outside |
| 19:30.53 | samuk | http://www.pastebin.ca/371931 |
| 19:30.55 | karmatronic | BjoeHrn: deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 19:31.05 | bzed | +contrib? |
| 19:31.13 | BjoeHrn | karmatronic, thanks |
| 19:31.36 | tenco | bzed: iptables is already configured to do nat, btw |
| 19:31.51 | samuk | http://www.pastebin.ca/371932 |
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| 19:32.15 | theblue | ux |
| 19:32.28 | bzed | BjoeHrn: http://www.pastebin.ca/371933 replace testing by what you need |
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| 19:33.08 | jason0_ | I'm running debian-etch on an nslu2 and having problems with the current kernel 2.6.18-3, how can I upgrade/downgrade to a different version? |
| 19:33.35 | theblue | jason0_, When did you install it on your slug? |
| 19:33.41 | karmatronic | jason0_: downgrade? what s your problem ? |
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| 19:34.35 | bzed | samuk: try wodim dev='/dev/hda' -v -overburn yourimage.iso |
| 19:35.05 | bzed | samuk: only if you're sure that hda is not your harddrive and wodim is somewhat confused |
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| 19:35.36 | jason0_ | I installed it on my slug a couple weeks ago. My current problem is with rtorrent and safe_sync. There is a bug documented here: http://www.mail-archive.com/libtorrent-devel@rakshasa.no/msg00672.html |
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| 19:36.08 | samuk | that works |
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| 19:36.26 | Eulex | hah, wtf, firefox 2.0 in etch??? guess they got some very special permission to upload it... |
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| 19:36.40 | bzed | samuk: then you need to configure k3b the right way. check all options, not sure which one, though |
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| 19:36.58 | bzed | !tell Eulex about iceweasel |
| 19:37.17 | Eulex | bzed, yeah, I do know that it's called iceweasel |
| 19:37.26 | bzed | there's no firefox in etch |
| 19:37.40 | xand | the executable is still called firefox-bin |
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| 19:37.49 | Eulex | bleh, it's just a change of name and artwork |
| 19:37.55 | xand | Eulex: yes. |
| 19:37.57 | bzed | yeah, but that's what you need |
| 19:38.02 | Eulex | I know |
| 19:38.10 | bzed | the artwork is copyrighted |
| 19:38.13 | xand | there's a few missing "Firefox" mentions too |
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| 19:38.27 | xand | erm |
| 19:38.29 | jason0_ | Is there a way I can upgrade to a testing kernel? |
| 19:38.29 | xand | remaining |
| 19:38.29 | Eulex | bzed, it being copyrighted is not the problem, the license is the problem |
| 19:38.40 | Eulex | I'm just surprised it got into etch even though etch is being frozen since quite some time |
| 19:39.01 | xand | bzed: I should think everything in debian is copyrighted. |
| 19:39.10 | bzed | xand: true |
| 19:39.11 | Eulex | mhm |
| 19:39.12 | xand | Eulex: "ago" |
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| 19:39.46 | bzed | Eulex: and firefox in the old state would have been a RC bug, and etch without any firefox at all... I doubt that would ahve worked... so it's just ok |
| 19:39.48 | abrotman | jason0_: on sarge or you mean upgrade to etch ? |
| 19:39.50 | Eulex | xand, yeah yeah, I'm tired, I've just came home from the mountains and have gone by train for more than 24h |
| 19:39.51 | samuk | hmm despite doing this http://www.pastebin.ca/371940 it does not seem to have written actual data :( |
| 19:39.58 | ewanm89 | Why didn't debian allow MPL and surely it's copyleft |
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| 19:40.01 | Eulex | bzed, ok |
| 19:40.03 | jason0_ | abortman: I'm running etch |
| 19:40.08 | abrotman | jason0_: what is your CPU ? |
| 19:40.20 | jason0_ | abrtoman: nslu2 / arm |
| 19:40.41 | abrotman | jason0_: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 19:40.45 | Eulex | jason0_, isn't that armeb? |
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| 19:40.50 | theblue | jason0_, Can't use the Ethernet port? |
| 19:41.04 | xand | the firefox issues have nothing to do with copyright anyway |
| 19:41.08 | xand | it's to do with trademarks |
| 19:41.09 | elshaa | bzed: stoned . Ok, works great with the right kernel module. Sorry, I feel you waste your time for my mistake. |
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| 19:41.36 | stoned | bzed: so it _WAS_ the kernel module |
| 19:41.39 | bzed | ewanm89: that's not the problem. mozilla doesn;t allow to package any of their artwork together with binaries which were nt built by them.... I think |
| 19:41.44 | jason0_ | There are "special" kernels with support built in. Here is my current kernel: Linux LKG6C47B3 2.6.18-3-ixp4xx armv5tel |
| 19:41.52 | relik | hello, how can i install gd with jpeg support with apt-get? |
| 19:41.57 | bzed | elshaa: not a problem at all, I sure we all had suck weird problems before |
| 19:41.58 | abrotman | jason0_: that is the current etch kernel |
| 19:42.13 | This_Guy | Hey dudes is there a profit for noobly guy upgrade for newer kernel or it will just give me headache and wasted time being confused? |
| 19:42.15 | jason0_ | abrotman: There is no "testing" release? |
| 19:42.24 | abrotman | etch will be released as stable RSN |
| 19:42.30 | Archville | How do i give permission to all users to rename/delete/everything on a given partition on fstab ? |
| 19:42.40 | ewanm89 | bzed: So how did you use mozilla suite then? |
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| 19:42.42 | xand | abrotman: will it indeed |
| 19:42.59 | abrotman | xand: that's the idea ... |
| 19:43.07 | xand | Archville: chmod |
| 19:43.28 | xand | abrotman: I'll believe it when I see it, considering the release date is 2006-12 |
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| 19:43.44 | abrotman | that wasn't a release date .. that was a goal |
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| 19:43.56 | jason0_ | I guess I could compile 2.6.20 with ixp4xx support build in. |
| 19:44.08 | xand | abrotman: ORLY |
| 19:44.12 | AnAnt | Is there a spice simulation software in Debian repos ? |
| 19:44.13 | AnAnt | I can't find ngspice, is there something else ? |
| 19:44.19 | ewanm89 | Remember this is Debian not Ubuntu |
| 19:44.19 | bzed | relik: libgd2-xpm is linked with libjpeg for me |
| 19:44.29 | relik | let me try bzed |
| 19:44.43 | xand | abrotman: "The Debian project confirms December 2006 as the date for the next release of its distribution which will be named Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias 'etch'."... sounds like a release date to me. |
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| 19:45.00 | markybob | xand, really? what's the *day* in that? |
| 19:45.01 | capiira | hmmmmm its possible that there exist more gtk apps than Qt apps for linux ? |
| 19:45.03 | bzed | AnAnt: gnucap |
| 19:45.03 | markybob | xand, it was a goal |
| 19:45.04 | abrotman | from where ? |
| 19:45.12 | AnAnt | bzed: thanks |
| 19:45.16 | bzed | AnAnt: but you probably just want to build ngspice on your own |
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| 19:45.16 | karmatronic | capiira: dont think so |
| 19:45.32 | xand | markybob: I never said "day", and it doesn't say it's a goal... it's *confirmed* as the release date. |
| 19:45.35 | AnAnt | bzed: huh ? |
| 19:45.38 | bzed | AnAnt: not realyl complicated, built well the last tiem I had to install it |
| 19:45.41 | xand | abrotman: http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
| 19:45.41 | Traveler27 | ? |
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| 19:45.47 | Traveler27 | hi |
| 19:45.51 | capiira | at least the most important ones |
| 19:45.52 | Eulex | bleh. now I just need to figure out how to make iceweasel use my default gtk2 theme instead of these ugly custom widgets and look pretty at the same time |
| 19:45.59 | Traveler27 | what |
| 19:46.00 | AnAnt | bzed: is there a certain reason that a package doesn't exist for it in Debian ? |
| 19:46.01 | abrotman | xand: tards! |
| 19:46.01 | markybob | xand, one thing you learn very quickly about debian is that it will never release "on desired time" |
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| 19:46.11 | xand | markybob: that was my point |
| 19:46.11 | AnAnt | bzed: I mean license issues or so ? |
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| 19:46.22 | bzed | AnAnt: license issues usually. packages in debian are free... as in free... ;) |
| 19:46.34 | bzed | AnAnt: or just nobody wanted to maintain the package |
| 19:46.39 | Traveler27 | yup |
| 19:46.43 | bzed | AnAnt: let me have a look, I'll need it again, soon |
| 19:46.46 | Traveler27 | it is free |
| 19:46.52 | relik | whois bzed |
| 19:46.54 | AnAnt | bzed: ok |
| 19:46.57 | relik | hello |
| 19:47.03 | Traveler27 | http://www.psyhoo.org |
| 19:47.09 | relik | i installed the jpeg libs but still i get this error message: |
| 19:47.09 | Traveler27 | its free alright |
| 19:47.13 | relik | ndow 1 is not hidden! |
| 19:47.20 | relik | solemnwarning: PHP running on your server does not fully support the GD |
| 19:47.20 | relik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.22 | relik | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.24 | ewanm89 | xand: This is Debian not ubuntu, It never releases when they set a date! |
| 19:47.30 | bzed | AnAnt: hmm, you want to install geda |
| 19:47.34 | This_Guy | why does apt needs download something in order to uninstall something, it doesn't make sense? |
| 19:47.36 | abrotman | Traveler27: stop spamming |
| 19:47.40 | Traveler27 | geda |
| 19:47.41 | xand | ewanm89: really, I didn't know that |
| 19:47.50 | AnAnt | bzed: ngspice is inside geda you mean ? |
| 19:47.53 | Traveler27 | www.psyhoo.org |
| 19:48.07 | xand | Traveler27: what about it? |
| 19:48.14 | abrotman | Traveler27: STOP spamming |
| 19:48.19 | Traveler27 | no |
| 19:48.25 | Traveler27 | you stop |
| 19:48.25 | bzed | AnAnt: it could be, at least it's part of the geda project now |
| 19:48.35 | bzed | !ops Traveler27 spams |
| 19:48.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: bzed complains about: Traveler27 spams |
| 19:48.38 | dvs | Traveler27: no, you will be stopped! |
| 19:48.42 | AnAnt | bzed: yes, it is part of the project, but geda package is only 300+ KB |
| 19:48.57 | bzed | AnAnt: it's a virtual package, it'll install some more |
| 19:49.00 | Traveler27 | oh my gosh |
| 19:49.04 | Traveler27 | oh no |
| 19:49.12 | AnAnt | bzed: yes , but their names don't suggest spice at all |
| 19:49.18 | Traveler27 | can i barrow that stick |
| 19:49.18 | bzed | AnAnt: i could imagine it's in geda-utils |
| 19:49.36 | Traveler27 | that stick thats up your butt |
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| 19:49.50 | Zaid | what is debian |
| 19:49.56 | abrotman | !tell Zaid about debian |
| 19:49.57 | Zaid | it is c++ ? |
| 19:49.59 | dvs | !sing sunday |
| 19:49.59 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 19:50.08 | xand | Zaid: yes, it's a programming language. |
| 19:50.13 | abrotman | xand: come on |
| 19:50.14 | AnAnt | bzed: nope, I don't find any *spice* in that package |
| 19:50.17 | xand | what? |
| 19:50.20 | bzed | AnAnt: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=38962&package_id=31152 |
| 19:50.31 | karmatronic | c++ is cool |
| 19:50.44 | Zaid | what is the most populat application that use debian |
| 19:50.52 | abrotman | debian is an operating system |
| 19:50.58 | bzed | Zaid: amd opteron |
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| 19:51.14 | AnAnt | bzed: aha, now why isn't it in the debian repos ? |
| 19:51.17 | dvs | Zaid: look at popularity contest |
| 19:51.26 | bzed | AnAnt: licinsing issues probably |
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| 19:51.31 | Zaid | ok |
| 19:51.33 | xand | abrotman: why did I join? I'm already in a bad mood |
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| 19:51.43 | AnAnt | ngspice is GPL if I recall correctly |
| 19:51.45 | abrotman | xand: to be mean to people? :) |
| 19:51.51 | xand | hmm |
| 19:51.56 | dvs | that why I join! |
| 19:52.00 | Eulex | anyone got any idea on how to make iceweasel 2.0 use default gtk2 widgets like ff 1.5 did? |
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| 19:52.10 | bronaugh | hmm... I've got a fun question. long-range troubleshooting. |
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| 19:52.16 | capiira | hmmmmm firefox is based on gtk right ? |
| 19:52.32 | abrotman | capiira: check the depends |
| 19:52.41 | bronaugh | machine started locking up, and now it won't boot. grub reports error 17 when it tries to load the kernel image, and reports that it can't find the splash image -- but the image list is there. |
| 19:52.45 | Eulex | capiira, yes, but in 2.0 they switched the url box, search box and tabs for ugly custom widgets |
| 19:52.46 | bronaugh | any ideas what might be going on? |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | google "grub error 17" |
| 19:53.10 | capiira | hmm im asking becuase it looks ugly in kde |
| 19:53.11 | bronaugh | abrotman: already did. |
| 19:53.18 | abrotman | any hints ? |
| 19:53.25 | bronaugh | grub reports error 17 for more than 1 reason. |
| 19:53.40 | Eulex | capiira, I bet. you could use the gtk-theme-switch utilities to set a more fitting gtk2 theme |
| 19:53.43 | bzed | AnAnt: http://ngspice.cvs.sourceforge.net/ngspice/ngspice/ng-spice-rework/COPYING?view=markup no it's not. it's free for non-commercial stuff only |
| 19:53.53 | theblue | Could anyone walk me through installing Debian on an NSLU2? I don't know how to apply the new key using SSH. |
| 19:54.07 | bronaugh | abrotman: basically, I'm wondering why this would happen "out of the blue" |
| 19:54.14 | AnAnt | aha |
| 19:54.15 | theblue | bronaugh, Careful.... |
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| 19:54.16 | AnAnt | ok |
| 19:54.27 | bzed | theblue: such stuff is not an easy thing, you don't want to do it if you don't really know what you're doing |
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| 19:54.45 | theblue | bzed, I know how to do a normal Debian install, but is it that hard to install the new key? |
| 19:54.51 | theblue | bzed, Or could I just apply it to the image before I reflash? |
| 19:55.04 | AnAnt | bzed: thanks |
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| 19:55.12 | bzed | http://peter.korsgaard.com/articles/debian-nslu2.php << that's all _I_ know about it theblue |
| 19:55.14 | theblue | Or would I be better off waiting for RC2? |
| 19:55.22 | bzed | AnAnt: no problem |
| 19:55.23 | theblue | Thanks, bzed. |
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| 19:56.00 | bronaugh | ok... would the partition type being 0xfd make this break fandomly? |
| 19:56.03 | bronaugh | err, randomly? |
| 19:56.17 | karmatronic | men , i still have this cups issue |
| 19:56.24 | bzed | theblue: and again you really want to know what you're going to do before you try it, or you'll end with a brick |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | !tell vint-cerft about away |
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| 19:58.39 | capiira | btw. anyone know a tool to edit pdfs add and remove merge pdf pages to files? |
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| 19:59.39 | bzed | capiira: pdfedit |
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| 20:00.18 | bronaugh | hell's bells. |
| 20:00.26 | capiira | thx :) |
| 20:00.27 | dvs | you got me wrining... |
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| 20:00.32 | dvs | ringing |
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| 20:01.18 | capiira | hmm qt app |
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| 20:02.07 | jason0_ | How can I enable the unstable packages? I think I found linux-image-2.6.18-4-ixp4xx in unstable |
| 20:02.54 | abrotman | jason0_: you could just try grabbing it and installing it |
| 20:03.30 | jason0_ | Will it resolve the dependancys? |
| 20:03.32 | bzed | http://pastebin.ca/371983 << jason0_ |
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| 20:03.59 | abrotman | jason0_: check the dependencies |
| 20:04.19 | abrotman | bzed: don't do that .. unless you want to be his personal support staff |
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| 20:05.01 | abrotman | jason0_: do NOT go to unstable |
| 20:05.07 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 20:05.08 | dpkg | from memory, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
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| 20:05.23 | stoned | sid will cause giant big Deez Nuts all up in yo mouth |
| 20:05.33 | stoned | ahem |
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| 20:06.04 | moyix | does anyone know if debian 2.6 kernels have any kind of stack execution prevention turned on? and, what proc variable / kernel config option would control that? |
| 20:06.21 | capiira | hmm i would like to force the qt theme of kde to gtk* apps what do i need? |
| 20:06.27 | bzed | stoned, abrotman: that's why you configure apt not to do it :| |
| 20:06.28 | abrotman | grsec is availabe in etch i believe .. |
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| 20:06.40 | capiira | actually they look like an ugly win 3.1 software |
| 20:06.49 | abrotman | bzed: you just gave him sources that will "upgrade" his box to unstable |
| 20:06.55 | bzed | abrotman: no. read again |
| 20:06.59 | abrotman | i just did |
| 20:07.13 | bzed | add this to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01local (the name of the file does not matter, as long as it's in the same directory): |
| 20:07.13 | bzed | APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 20:07.16 | xingu | moyix: the 2.6 kernels make full use of nx on amd64, which kind of obviates the question. |
| 20:07.16 | markybob | moyix, kernel-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 20:07.24 | bzed | abrotman: go, read again. |
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| 20:07.56 | bzed | xingu: grsec is always good to have, with or without nx |
| 20:08.14 | xingu | bzed: bleah. |
| 20:08.27 | ida01 | is any RAID1 application with GUI for Debian ? |
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| 20:08.56 | moyix | xingu, I was thinking more of software-based NX, since I don't have an AMD64 proc... |
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| 20:09.20 | xingu | bzed: you're talking to someone who's been so thoroughly screwed by gr patchset mishaps that they're prepared to shitcan the project and anyone involved in a 1-hop radius around it |
| 20:09.21 | moyix | markybob, so it does require a kernel patch? |
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| 20:09.39 | markybob | moyix, yeah |
| 20:09.53 | bzed | ida01: md, with a nice cli ;) you could use evms with it if you really want... but that's overkill imho |
| 20:10.01 | pingouin | my computer reboot stangely...i got «Feb 25 20:56:43 localhost /usr/sbin/cron[2609]: (CRON) INFO (Running @reboot jobs) when i check after reboot , what can i do to check what's append ? |
| 20:10.06 | pingouin | debian sarge |
| 20:10.29 | xand | "append"? |
| 20:10.35 | bzed | xingu: hmm, I've never had any trouble with it... i don't use rsbac, though |
| 20:10.38 | pingouin | i did not set up a crontab -e to make it reboot |
| 20:10.44 | Eulex | I'm back to ff 1.5, I can't stand the looks of 2.0 |
| 20:10.55 | pingouin | xand: sorry, my english is very bad, not native tongue |
| 20:11.04 | bzed | pingouin: that just says that cron run all jobs which were supposed to run after a reboot |
| 20:11.07 | xand | append = attach something to the end :PO |
| 20:11.09 | xand | -O |
| 20:11.18 | pingouin | xand: appened |
| 20:11.26 | bzed | Eulex: lol, skin it, where's the problem |
| 20:11.28 | xand | happened |
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| 20:11.51 | pingouin | thanks for the english lesson, what about the shutdown of my box ? |
| 20:12.01 | Eulex | bzed, no such skin existing, I want my native gtk2, I don't want neither do I have time to mess with it myself |
| 20:12.11 | xand | pingouin: NFI |
| 20:12.27 | xand | pingouin: actually... those jobs are just ones that happen when you reboot |
| 20:12.29 | xand | not that cause it |
| 20:12.42 | bzed | pingouin: you'd have to read the logs. /var/log/syslog for example. if there's nothing in there, it sounds like a kernel and/or hardware bug |
| 20:12.58 | xand | pingouin: did it shutdown properly and reboot? or was it sudden? |
| 20:13.29 | tristano | hello, i'm not able to read and write dvds, although i have a dvdrw writer, someone can help me? |
| 20:13.42 | xand | tristano: why aren't you? |
| 20:13.55 | abrotman | lost humor! |
| 20:13.56 | xand | what are you doing/what's the error message/etc |
| 20:13.58 | dvs | tristano: is it a movie or data DVD? |
| 20:13.59 | cokeslut | out of interest |
| 20:14.02 | tristano | xand: it not recognizes dvds |
| 20:14.03 | pingouin | xand: in fact, i was playing UT2K4, then...it shutdown, i have to restart the box, pressing the Power on button |
| 20:14.12 | tristano | xand: data |
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| 20:14.19 | xand | pingouin: did it shutdown properly or just switch off? |
| 20:14.26 | tristano | dvs: data |
| 20:14.30 | pingouin | xand: switch off |
| 20:14.36 | xand | tristano: what doesn't? how are you trying to read them? |
| 20:14.46 | xand | pingouin: sounds like a hardware problem... it could be overheating |
| 20:14.49 | xand | or bad ram |
| 20:14.50 | pingouin | xand: i got the check fschk on hard drive, when i restart the box |
| 20:14.50 | tristano | xand: yes |
| 20:14.51 | dvs | tristano: how do you mount it? |
| 20:14.52 | bzed | pingouin: sounds like too much heat on your cpu, or a too weak power supply |
| 20:14.57 | xand | or dodgy motherboard |
| 20:15.04 | pingouin | ok |
| 20:15.05 | xand | or PSU :) |
| 20:15.05 | bzed | or bad ram |
| 20:15.10 | pingouin | how can i check the ram ? |
| 20:15.10 | bzed | or all together |
| 20:15.16 | bzed | install memtest86 |
| 20:15.19 | bzed | and boot into it |
| 20:15.32 | xand | tristano: that wasn't a yes/no question |
| 20:15.39 | pingouin | ok i try this |
| 20:15.47 | xand | abrotman: my computer is broken! can you fix it?! |
| 20:15.48 | xingu | moyix: in my view if you need nx you need hw support for it; the software approaches all increase fragility/ complexity and none of them prevent the problem you're trying to address |
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| 20:15.50 | pingouin | thanks for care , and sorry for english ;) |
| 20:16.00 | abrotman | xand: ? |
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| 20:16.02 | xingu | moyix: in fact worse still, the software problems obscure the symptom from view. |
| 20:16.05 | tristano | xand: now i try |
| 20:16.07 | xand | abrotman: it doesn't work! |
| 20:16.10 | xand | tristano: huh? |
| 20:16.11 | xingu | s/problems/approaches/ |
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| 20:16.14 | abrotman | xand: turn it on |
| 20:16.16 | bzed | pingouin: better install memtest86+ |
| 20:16.17 | xand | abrotman: OH! |
| 20:16.19 | bzed | bleh |
| 20:16.32 | xand | abrotman: bit crap that you have to do that, it'll waste electricity :( |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:16.56 | xand | my Ultra 1 works fine switched off :) |
| 20:17.03 | xand | (as a monitor stand) |
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| 20:17.12 | dvs | paper weight? |
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| 20:17.28 | xingu | fish tank |
| 20:17.29 | n3kl | Hi. I have an issue that I have never seen before. My / partition is full, or so df reports, but if I mount the / partiion in a seperat directory, then du -sh on the directory that I mounted the / in, it reports something different. What could be the problem? |
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| 20:17.57 | xand | n3kl: space reserved for root? |
| 20:18.12 | n3kl | xand: explain? |
| 20:18.37 | xand | 10% (or is it 5%) of the partition is reserved for root use to prevent problems if hte disk fills up |
| 20:18.49 | xand | does df show Size == Used? |
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| 20:18.55 | xand | or 100% use |
| 20:19.00 | capiira | will kde 3.5.6 join etch with their over 300 bug fixes? |
| 20:19.10 | ida01 | bzed: you are the men (or woman) ! - it seem that this is what I was looking for - I installed evms GUI hovwever I dit not come on the menus |
| 20:19.13 | n3kl | xand: I don't think so, its the difference of 28 GB partition for /, then when mounted elsewhere reporting 7GB |
| 20:19.18 | pingouin | sorry, but, after apt-get install memtest86 or memtest86+, how can i boot on it ? |
| 20:19.22 | n3kl | xand: that seems too much |
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| 20:19.30 | xand | n3kl: maybe the files were in /tmp |
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| 20:19.57 | bzed | pingouin: just install memtest86+ and run update-grub if you use grub or update-lilo if you use lilo |
| 20:20.07 | n3kl | xand: du -cks | sort -rn is is a tick I like to use, but even if I do du -sh /tmp, its like 10MB |
| 20:20.20 | tristano | xand: if i mount it by hand it works, but automatic recognization doesn't work |
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| 20:20.34 | xand | tristano: using what? |
| 20:20.39 | xand | (for automatic) |
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| 20:20.51 | DeliPenguen | hi |
| 20:21.02 | DeliPenguen | i use etch |
| 20:21.09 | dvs | !beer DeliPenguen |
| 20:21.12 | xand | so do I! let's be friends |
| 20:21.17 | DeliPenguen | some apps gives error |
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| 20:21.20 | DeliPenguen | segmentation fault |
| 20:21.32 | tristano | xand: when i insert a dvd, it must mount automatically as a normal cd, isn't it? |
| 20:21.34 | DeliPenguen | vdrift amarok fgfs |
| 20:21.39 | DeliPenguen | xmoto |
| 20:21.46 | DeliPenguen | i tried 4 applications |
| 20:21.50 | xingu | you've got faulty segments I'm afraid |
| 20:21.50 | bzed | !tell DeliPenguen about segfault |
| 20:21.54 | n3kl | anyone else have any ideas where data might be hiding on the root partition, or why I am not able to find it? |
| 20:21.56 | xingu | you'll have to take them in to be serviced |
| 20:21.58 | xand | tristano: no idea, my discs don't mount automatically... but I guess that could be the problem |
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| 20:22.29 | superted | the software which is called "File server" on the etch install disc is samba right? |
| 20:22.35 | DeliPenguen | dpkg, tell bzed how can i fix this problem ;) |
| 20:22.38 | n3kl | df |
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| 20:23.44 | abrotman | superted: yes .. and nfs .. tasksel --task-packages file-server |
| 20:24.10 | xand | bath time |
| 20:24.12 | peppe | n3kl: data hiding? |
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| 20:24.21 | krissarge | hello, can anybody tell me if etch will become stable soon? Thanks |
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| 20:24.33 | xand | krissarge: no |
| 20:24.33 | Pupeno2 | Hello. |
| 20:24.34 | bzed | DeliPenguen: well, you'd need to run them in gdb and have a look where the problem actualyl arises |
| 20:24.35 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 20:24.35 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 20:24.37 | Pupeno2 | Does anybody know of anything like the Nokia N770 (http://europe.nokia.com/770) but with a 15inch screen? |
| 20:24.58 | znh | Hello. Are there applications for the notification to notifcate me of updates available for the system? |
| 20:25.04 | n3kl | peppe: mounted partition using df reports that 100% of 28Gb is full, du -sh /partition reports 7GB. |
| 20:25.06 | znh | *notification area |
| 20:25.11 | xand | !sunday |
| 20:25.12 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 20:26.10 | bzed | Pupeno2: a normal notebook with a touchscreen? |
| 20:26.13 | VImtermute | sayounara |
| 20:26.30 | abrotman | Pupeno2: you mean a tablet ? |
| 20:26.34 | zmotok | hello, anyone here know why the bluez (bluetooth framework&utilities) 3.9 isn't in debian unstable yet? |
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| 20:26.54 | cato | hi, how do I change the distribution of a package before building it with dpkg-buildpackage with the debian-maintainertools? |
| 20:27.12 | Pupeno2 | bzed: no, it should not have a keyboard, it should be touchscreen as you said (no stylus), and it should be embedded (arm, xscale or something like that, no hard drive). |
| 20:27.12 | dvs | zmotok: I'm guessing because to Debian 4.0 not being released |
| 20:28.00 | Pupeno2 | abrotman: more or less. Most tablets are way too expensive. I don't need a super fancy video card, or any keyboard whatsover. An no OS. I'd like, in fact, to use it as a thin client. |
| 20:28.23 | abrotman | Pupeno2: i think your choices are limited .. possibly ask #hardware |
| 20:28.31 | Pupeno2 | abrotman: thanks. |
| 20:28.33 | bzed | Pupeno2: never seen anythign liek that in a 15" version. http://umpc.com/Devices.aspx |
| 20:28.41 | zmotok | dvs: good thought, thanks, i'll compile it myself for now |
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| 20:29.23 | n3kl | how can I force a filesytem check on reboot before the device is mounted? |
| 20:29.23 | DeliPenguen | bzed, bot told me about sig11 too |
| 20:29.31 | DeliPenguen | i didn't understand what can be the problem |
| 20:29.37 | dvs | zmotok: ok |
| 20:29.52 | ida01 | does anyone knows any video tutorial for PostgresQl - it seem for large tables and flexibility is to be chosen Postgresql - but I need some video tutorials |
| 20:29.54 | DeliPenguen | is it about libc? about kernel? |
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| 20:30.16 | abrotman | ida01: ask #postgresql |
| 20:30.34 | bzed | DeliPenguen: that's what you need to figure out. it could be a broken library, a broken kernel, broken hardware... you'll have to run the app in gdb... and find out where the problem happens |
| 20:30.35 | xingu | wow, what a random question |
| 20:30.49 | xingu | debbie does pgsql |
| 20:30.59 | bzed | DeliPenguen: apt-get install gdb; gdb somecrashingapplication |
| 20:31.05 | DeliPenguen | ok |
| 20:31.16 | bzed | DeliPenguen: or use strace on it, sometimes that helps, too |
| 20:31.27 | bzed | DeliPenguen: did you have any ahrdware issues or crashes lately? |
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| 20:31.47 | DeliPenguen | bzed, no |
| 20:31.58 | bzed | n3kl: though /forcefsck |
| 20:31.59 | DeliPenguen | everythink was normal |
| 20:32.00 | ida01 | abrotman: how much do you charge per hour ? |
| 20:32.01 | bzed | n3kl: thouch /forcefsck |
| 20:32.19 | abrotman | ida01: i'm not a video :) |
| 20:32.20 | DeliPenguen | two days ago i tried to run amarok but it didn't start |
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| 20:32.50 | bzed | ida01: i can sell you a virtual abrotman with limited chatting fuctions for $15k |
| 20:32.56 | krissarge | I beg your pardon and in no way I'd want to be nasty, but could somebody give me an estimation of when etch will be stable ? |
| 20:32.59 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 20:33.05 | abrotman | krissarge: no .. |
| 20:33.20 | abrotman | krissarge: bugs.debian.org/release-critical .. when that number gets near 0 |
| 20:33.21 | sepski | krissarge, the best estimate you have is the the release critical bugs goes ~0 |
| 20:33.24 | bzed | krissarge: when it's the time for etch to become stable ;) |
| 20:33.34 | Ivanowitch | Hi. I have just installed debian sarge on a (very) old computer, 300 mHz AMD K6 with 64 mb RAM... runs fine with fluxbox... but I've got some trouble with the soundcard. It's an OPTi card, but i can't get it to work... any ideas? |
| 20:33.55 | znh | bzed, that hurts dude |
| 20:34.03 | bzed | Ivanowitch: first look at http://www.alsa-project.org if it's supported at all |
| 20:34.28 | nasa | Hi, I am trying to get ACPI to respond to a case button press (to shut it down). Could someone point me to documentation I could read to troubleshoot this? |
| 20:34.50 | ida01 | abrotman: beside joke - I might have a project in which I want to use Debian Etch PostgreSql, PHP and Apache (maybe customized on top of EZ-Publish) ----- so I need help for all this - if anyone else know people who want to pitch in I am interested? |
| 20:35.02 | bzed | nasa: I guess in /usr/share/doc/acpid is some documentation |
| 20:35.11 | abrotman | ida01: you mean a paying gig ? |
| 20:35.26 | xingu | nasa: also cat /proc/acpi/event might help. |
| 20:35.49 | bzed | nasa: stopping acpid before cat'ing that will help, too ;) |
| 20:36.01 | ida01 | ida01: I do not know what is gig in this context - but it will be for pay yes |
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| 20:36.17 | nasa | ok, cool let me look at that |
| 20:36.17 | karmatronic | is there a linux equivalent for corel draw? |
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| 20:36.21 | karmatronic | inkscape? |
| 20:36.28 | bzed | karmatronic: inkscape, cara-lx, gimp |
| 20:36.32 | znh | karmatronic, The Gimp |
| 20:36.34 | krissarge | OK, thanks. I try to do smthing in a school where we built up a debian LAN with old pc as TX, and waiting for etch to install squeak. |
| 20:36.37 | bzed | *xara-lx |
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| 20:37.00 | bzed | karmatronic: xara-lx, not cara |
| 20:37.00 | ida01 | karmatronik: scribus |
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| 20:38.06 | abrotman | ida01: there's a list of debian consultants at debian.org |
| 20:38.09 | ida01 | karmatronik: for vector image processing Scribus, Inkscape, OpenOffice.org DRAW ----- for bitmap image processing GIMP |
| 20:38.28 | karmatronic | thanks buddies |
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| 20:38.43 | karmatronic | yeah i used inkscape before |
| 20:38.59 | ida01 | abrotman: thanks - what are you doing currently (if I may ask) |
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| 20:39.19 | DeliPenguen | bzed, gdb says no debugging symbols found |
| 20:39.32 | abrotman | ida01: IRCing with you |
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| 20:39.55 | karmatronic | abrotman: how does one become a debian s consultant ? |
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| 20:40.04 | abrotman | karmatronic: you mean get your name on the list ? |
| 20:40.19 | karmatronic | abrotman: or contribute somehow .... |
| 20:40.20 | TTT_Travis | if I do an LVM install of debian, can I still grab a disk with an EXT3 partition on it and mount it? |
| 20:40.22 | enouf | !tell Ivanowitch -about which driver |
| 20:40.39 | abrotman | karmatronic: there are many ways to contribute |
| 20:40.40 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/consultants/#policy |
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| 20:41.03 | ida01 | abrotman: :) beside that (zoom out a bit) thanks for the link |
| 20:41.07 | abrotman | karmatronic: the consultants page is people who are working with/on debian for contrcts |
| 20:41.17 | abrotman | ida01: sitting on my couch :) |
| 20:41.36 | karmatronic | abrotman: interesting |
| 20:41.51 | karmatronic | hope to get on the list soon |
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| 20:42.15 | abrotman | karmatronic: but you could write man pages .. fix bugs .. do translations .. file bugs .. help test/file reports |
| 20:42.23 | xingu | both hands on the keyboard thanks abrotman, this is a family channel |
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| 20:42.44 | enouf | abrotman: wireless? .. somehow doesn't seem like you |
| 20:42.56 | xingu | heh |
| 20:43.07 | xingu | I'd go more for unhinged than unplugged |
| 20:43.09 | abrotman | enouf: why not? |
| 20:43.13 | karmatronic | well i have some programs i made |
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| 20:43.19 | abrotman | xingu: oddly .. i just had to replace my laptop lcd hinge :) |
| 20:43.35 | abrotman | karmatronic: yep .. you can package stuff |
| 20:43.36 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 20:43.37 | n3kl | So, after a reboot, my space freed up on my / partition... |
| 20:43.37 | dpkg | from memory, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 20:43.38 | enouf | oh . I see .. the couch is near the table with the cheesesteaks and the heart pills ;- |
| 20:43.47 | abrotman | enouf: i had one last night! .. and a brat |
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| 20:44.05 | enouf | de-lic-ious |
| 20:45.12 | Ivanowitch | hmmm... the sound card should be supported... do i have to get alsa from cvs, or can i grab it from the repositories? |
| 20:45.14 | abrotman | it was pretty good |
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| 20:45.17 | bzed | n3kl: then tehre was just some file in use. deleted files are only hidden until the last program stops to use them |
| 20:45.19 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 20:45.19 | xingu | "wookey" ? :) |
| 20:45.19 | dpkg | somebody said alsa one-liner was apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 20:45.28 | ida01 | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:45.44 | n3kl | bzed: well, I am about to replicate the issue, I need to know why this is happening |
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| 20:46.19 | Ivanowitch | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 20:46.19 | dpkg | [2.4 alsa one-liner] to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 20:46.40 | magyar | i have four sata hotswap bays, in MS Windows XP if i unplug any drive, the OS fails to reinitialise it only seeing it after reebot, Debian has no problems with it. |
| 20:46.44 | magyar | Debian ROCKS |
| 20:47.04 | n3kl | everytime I try to read a dvd with k9copy, I get this problem |
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| 20:48.09 | ki11bi11 | i get error-->No space left on device |
| 20:48.09 | ki11bi11 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:48.24 | Ivanowitch | yeah, i'm stupid, but what did the bot mean with the $(uname -r) part? |
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| 20:48.37 | streuner | ki11bi11: try 'df' |
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| 20:48.43 | xingu | n3kl: it's probably creating a temporary file and then unlinking it; take a look with lsof |
| 20:48.43 | enouf | Ivanowitch: that's a literal command substitution for bash |
| 20:48.52 | enouf | Ivanowitch: type that exactly like that |
| 20:48.58 | dvs | Ivanowitch: type it in as is |
| 20:49.12 | ki11bi11 | streuner, /dev/mapper/vbox--debian-root |
| 20:49.14 | ki11bi11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.37 | xingu | n3kl: what confused me at least was that you were reporting out of space /after/ remounting your root partition under a new mount point - the assumption is that nobody would do that unless they were booted from a recovery environment |
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| 20:50.04 | Mr-R | ki11bi11: and the inodes? (df -i) |
| 20:50.07 | n3kl | xingu: thats what I am looking ghtough right now. If I could find the file that is taking the space, perhaps I clike simlink to somewhere I have the space |
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| 20:50.41 | xingu | n3kl: discrepancies between du and df is entirely possible; open+create+mask=7777,unlink is a fairly stock code pattern |
| 20:50.59 | n3kl | xingu: the reason I did that, was so that I could make sure there was nothing in the directories that other partitions were mounted in. In case mounts were overlapping data er something, if that makes sense |
| 20:51.00 | xingu | n3kl: it's probably the file that k9copy is spooling to when reading; at a guess, /tmp |
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| 20:51.02 | ki11bi11 | /dev/mapper/vbox--debian-root |
| 20:51.03 | ki11bi11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.43 | humbolto | is there a way to tunnel nfs or cifs through ssh? |
| 20:52.03 | xingu | n3kl: the right answer is use a multi-partition layout to protect root, usr and var, and quotas to protect the user-writable filesystems. |
| 20:52.22 | ki11bi11 | i have this new lvm thingy installed (which i have idea how to use) |
| 20:52.26 | n3kl | xingu: how can I implement quotas? |
| 20:52.35 | nasa | cat /proc/acpi/event doesn't show anything when I press the button.... I know button is working (works under windows). So how do I tell what's happening to the event? |
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| 20:53.31 | xingu | n3kl: quotatool; I'm sure it has documentation... |
| 20:53.44 | ki11bi11 | root is only 87 % full, er is there a protectiona against filling it more? |
| 20:53.58 | n3kl | xingu: well its not /tmp |
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| 20:54.26 | xingu | n3kl: you've confirmed this via lsof? |
| 20:54.52 | n3kl | mounting an empty partion over /tmp and then watch df -h to see which is growing |
| 20:55.03 | xingu | n3kl: as I said, open+create+mask=777, unlink is a pretty standard code path; what you're looking at in ls is not what is allocated, it's a subset. |
| 20:55.09 | dvs | ki11bi11: 5% is reserved for root |
| 20:55.20 | xingu | n3kl: is this before or during your test-case? |
| 20:55.44 | n3kl | I think its the ~/ |
| 20:56.04 | ki11bi11 | dvs ok i'll dump apt-get install -f output in #flood maybe someone can see something |
| 20:56.18 | n3kl | xingu: during |
| 20:56.57 | n3kl | xingu: perhaps I don't understand. What is meant by unlink? |
| 20:57.08 | enouf | n3kl: tune2fs can be used to alter that 5% amount (atleast for ext2/3), but it certainly is not a wise decision, to say the least |
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| 20:57.35 | xingu | n3kl: unlink removes a name from the filesystem |
| 20:57.47 | runixd | so nice to have debian on again |
| 20:57.53 | runixd | hello |
| 20:58.18 | xingu | n3kl: once all names which link to a given file and all processes which have any of those names open exit, the storage is released. |
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| 20:58.40 | enouf | wrong person? .. |
| 20:58.43 | xingu | n3kl: mounting something over /tmp while a process has a file in it open and is spooling to it will not release the backing storage |
| 20:58.56 | n3kl | ah |
| 20:59.15 | ki11bi11 | i was thinking i might use lvextend to enlarge root |
| 20:59.16 | xingu | n3kl: see unlink(2) if you have manpages-dev installed |
| 20:59.18 | n3kl | well, I just noticed that i have a 20GB .xsession-errors file |
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| 21:00.38 | ki11bi11 | i suppose a 15mb kernel does unpack into root 15mb ~> 10% of 130mb |
| 21:00.40 | bzed | n3kl: ocuh! |
| 21:01.09 | bzed | bzed@hal:/usr/src$ du -sh linux-2.6.20 |
| 21:01.09 | bzed | 527M linux-2.6.20 |
| 21:01.13 | bzed | ki11bi11: ^^ |
| 21:01.17 | bzed | after building it |
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| 21:01.37 | enouf | I guess i mean ki11bi11 --> tune2fs can be used to alter that 5% amount (atleast for ext2/3), but it certainly is not a wise decision, to say the least .. why not add more physical disks and extend using LVM, I mean that's what it's for ;-) |
| 21:01.39 | justin | ki11bi11: you made your root partition 130M? |
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| 21:02.15 | ki11bi11 | justin, i just wehnt with the flow on the install |
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| 21:02.30 | xingu | usr/src is such an abomination |
| 21:02.36 | bzed | ki11bi11: so I assume that /usr and anything else is mounted into it? |
| 21:02.45 | ki11bi11 | enouf, yes is it trickey extending root? |
| 21:02.56 | Ivanowitch | ok, so my soundcard should be supported, i've downloaded the modules from the repositories (and I'm running kernel 2.4)... what do i do now? |
| 21:03.04 | bzed | ki11bi11: what's your filesystem type? |
| 21:03.08 | strobedream | hey all. All my packages have the hold flag on them does anyone know of a remove all holds command? |
| 21:03.25 | enouf | it shouldn't be tricky extending any partition .. using the lvm tools |
| 21:03.31 | n3kl | xingu: now I see what you are talking about. Thanks |
| 21:03.50 | xingu | strobedream: dpkg --get-selections | sed -e 's/hold/install/' | dpkg --set-selections? |
| 21:03.56 | bzed | ki11bi11: you extend it with lvextend, then you use the resising tool of your root filesystem to elarge the fs |
| 21:03.57 | ki11bi11 | bzed, i'll dumpa lvdisplay to #flood |
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| 21:05.03 | ki11bi11 | bzed, i think they are all ext3 except for swap |
| 21:05.26 | xingu | strobedream: actually I guess dpkg --get-selections | sed -e 's/(.*)hold$/\1 install/' is probably safer |
| 21:05.41 | bzed | ki11bi11: then you need to install ext2resize |
| 21:06.12 | Xires | what dpkg command can I use to just report the version of an installed package? |
| 21:06.17 | ki11bi11 | bzed, i can't install anything apt is broken:( |
| 21:06.28 | znh | Hmm. Does anyone if the rTorrent + 2.6.18 kernel issue has been solved yet? |
| 21:06.35 | strobedream | xingu: thanks |
| 21:06.40 | strobedream | lets see if it works |
| 21:06.42 | bzed | ki11bi11: MAKE A BACKUP!, then resize the volume with lvextend,and then either run ext2online on your root volume or boot from a live cd and fix everythign from there..... <<< sounds like the last thing is what you need, eh? |
| 21:06.44 | bzed | :P |
| 21:06.46 | Xires | znh; what issue is/was there? |
| 21:07.07 | bzed | Xires: dpkg -l packname |
| 21:07.12 | Xires | bzed; tyvm |
| 21:07.18 | strobedream | xingu: so thats going to get all packages, and then replace all instances of hold with install? |
| 21:07.23 | znh | Xires, due to some kernel update, rTorrent always things the download is incorrect after hashing |
| 21:07.28 | znh | things=thinks |
| 21:07.36 | ki11bi11 | bzed, well at least i know not to do this in future:) |
| 21:08.04 | Xires | znh; crc error or md5 difference? |
| 21:08.16 | Xires | assuming it uses md5 |
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| 21:09.01 | znh | Xires, I dont know which is used, but the keys are compared from the torrent file, which has so it defaults |
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| 21:09.45 | Xires | znh; K, ty for the info |
| 21:10.15 | znh | Xires, I guess your welcome? |
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| 21:10.44 | znh | vint-cerft, public away messages are not very welcome in large channels |
| 21:10.51 | Xires | znh; ci, I wasn't aware of an issue |
| 21:11.07 | n3kl | xingu: I am still trying to find the space hog. I did losf | grep $pid to search through... now I see sizes and such, bit I don't know what I am looking for |
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| 21:12.17 | n3kl | xingu: any sugestions? |
| 21:12.29 | abrotman | !tell vint-cerft about away |
| 21:13.14 | bzed | n3kl: if space appears after rebooting it was filled by a file which was deleted, but still accessed by some application. it'll be bloacking free space as long as the process is accessing it |
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| 21:13.47 | n3kl | bzed: how can I find what process is accessing it and where 'it' is? |
| 21:13.57 | bzed | n3kl: I think it's gone now!? |
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| 21:14.24 | bzed | n3kl: didn;t you say the space was back after rebooting? |
| 21:14.38 | strobedream | xingu: I get char 22 sed unterminated s command |
| 21:15.08 | znh | n3kl, you can locate it with 'locate' by processname. |
| 21:15.17 | n3kl | yeah, then I ran the program that fills the partition again to try to find where it is writing all this information. While the drive is filling, I do lsof | grep $pid to see what is open, but I don't see anything out of the ordinaty |
| 21:15.39 | bzed | n3kl: try lsof -p pid |
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| 21:18.15 | n3kl | bb |
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| 21:19.53 | RvGaTe | is it possible to check if an mailbox exists without sending an email to that person ? |
| 21:19.54 | bzed | RvGaTe: you could telnet to the mailserver and try CRFY |
| 21:19.57 | bzed | VRFY |
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| 21:20.16 | RvGaTe | bzed, could you tell me step-by-step how to do that ? |
| 21:20.39 | bzed | RvGaTe: not all mail servers have that function enabled, though |
| 21:20.58 | bzed | RvGaTe: do you know which mailserver the mail will receive at the end? |
| 21:21.36 | RvGaTe | bzed, no idea |
| 21:21.57 | bzed | RvGaTe: can you tell me the domain name? |
| 21:22.14 | bzed | RvGaTe: or you do a host -t mx domainname.com |
| 21:22.52 | bzed | look for the mx with the lowest number |
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| 21:23.34 | RvGaTe | bzed, got it |
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| 21:24.06 | bzed | RvGaTe: can't help you with that, though. |
| 21:24.32 | bzed | VRFY does not work. |
| 21:24.50 | RvGaTe | bzed, noticed it, getting denied here aswell |
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| 21:28.43 | Quibus | Yay, FOSDEM was great :-) |
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| 21:31.12 | grendal_prime | can anyone tell me what the hell this is |
| 21:31.17 | grendal_prime | pci_set_power_state(): 0000:00:0a.0: state=3, current state=5 |
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| 21:31.23 | pngwn | linux |
| 21:31.31 | pngwn | linux |
| 21:31.31 | grendal_prime | and more importantly how to get rid of it. |
| 21:31.37 | pngwn | linux |
| 21:32.08 | grendal_prime | seems to have started sometime after distupgrading to etch. |
| 21:32.12 | grendal_prime | its on a router machine |
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| 21:32.55 | grendal_prime | and alothough it seems to be functioning fine, when i tryn and find out information via dmsg i get a screen full of that. |
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| 21:33.38 | grendal_prime | also the box itself is a pain in the ass to do anything on as it keeps comming up on the screen in the middle of the console apps ..compleatly confusing the people trying to use them |
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| 21:34.19 | ki11bi11 | just for you information, (so i can brag about shit like this...) i personally umount /home shrak using resize2fs then shrank the logical partition using lvreduce -L 300m /dev/vbox-debian/home |
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| 21:35.56 | cusco | how do I cut the last 12 chars |
| 21:36.03 | cusco | cut -c 12- cuts me the first 12, how to cut the last 12 |
| 21:36.10 | ki11bi11 | then i did this--> lvextend -L+50 /dev/vbox-debian/root |
| 21:36.14 | DanC | an apt-get upgrade held back linux-image-2.6-k7, so I'm trying to research it, and the changelog is cryptic. "Update to 2.6.18-4.". I look at http://kernel.org/ and the latest stable is 2.6.20.1. I'm struggling to find anything to read about the lag |
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| 21:36.35 | centrx | cusco -12 |
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| 21:36.48 | centrx | sorry, 12- |
| 21:36.58 | ki11bi11 | followed by this resize2fs /dev/vbox-debian/root 236M |
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| 21:37.15 | cusco | centrx: not working |
| 21:37.21 | cusco | cut 12- |
| 21:37.21 | cusco | ? |
| 21:37.40 | laza | Hi! How can I create DVD-images which contain single files ~4GB? |
| 21:37.42 | cusco | cut -c 12-; cuts me the first 12 out |
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| 21:38.26 | cusco | of the line |
| 21:38.44 | ki11bi11 | with my mighty root enlarged tp 236M, i was able to apt-get install -f |
| 21:38.59 | Quibus | cusco: man cut |
| 21:39.10 | cusco | I did... its hard to understand |
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| 21:39.23 | cusco | oh well I don't really need it.. I will grab a text editor |
| 21:39.23 | xand | CHOP CHOP |
| 21:39.26 | cusco | thanks any way |
| 21:39.29 | ki11bi11 | a great victory in in the war against errorism |
| 21:39.37 | Quibus | cusco: cut only cuts on one line |
| 21:39.42 | xand | OOI, when you select a different language for debian, are the man pages in that language? |
| 21:39.50 | cusco | Quibus: sure... so? |
| 21:39.53 | war | war |
| 21:39.56 | Quibus | OK, if that's what you want |
| 21:40.00 | cusco | I was tryng to cut the last 12 chats of the line |
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| 21:40.01 | xand | war: very good |
| 21:40.04 | cusco | chars |
| 21:40.20 | Quibus | cut -c 12- should work indeed |
| 21:40.29 | cusco | that cuts the first 12 out |
| 21:40.33 | cusco | not the last 12 |
| 21:40.34 | Quibus | actually, it will cut character 12 until the end |
| 21:40.39 | cusco | yes |
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| 21:41.01 | cusco | look aaaaaaa0123456789ab |
| 21:41.03 | laza | genisoimage tells me : Value too large for defined data type. File xyz is too large - ignoring |
| 21:41.06 | Quibus | I don't think you can specify what you want |
| 21:41.06 | cusco | how to I cut the last 12? |
| 21:41.12 | cusco | leveang only aaaaa |
| 21:41.14 | Quibus | in cut |
| 21:41.15 | cusco | leaving |
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| 21:42.31 | cusco | the last 12... gone |
| 21:42.42 | cusco | well nevermind |
| 21:42.46 | centrx | I don't think you can do it with just cut |
| 21:42.55 | justin | cut+rev can do it |
| 21:42.57 | Quibus | cusco: with cu? |
| 21:43.04 | justin | or just use a real programming language |
| 21:43.15 | centrx | yea cut with rev would work |
| 21:43.15 | Quibus | perl :P |
| 21:43.21 | magyar | how is xen differ from qemu? |
| 21:43.22 | war | what is he trying to do |
| 21:43.27 | Quibus | justin: anyway, rev! Coolness! I didn't know about rev :-) |
| 21:43.36 | war | what does the input look like |
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| 21:44.16 | war | cusco: ? |
| 21:44.27 | cusco | rev will do it |
| 21:44.29 | Quibus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.32 | cusco | cheerio centrx |
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| 21:44.40 | cusco | Quibus: :)) |
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| 21:45.20 | grendal_prime | i got these frigging packages that have been unpacked but not configured...how to i fix this? |
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| 21:45.31 | war | dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
| 21:45.53 | grendal_prime | there are like 10 of them...is there a way to have it do all of them? |
| 21:46.06 | war | for pkg in 1 2 3 4 |
| 21:46.09 | war | do |
| 21:46.13 | war | dpkg-reconfigure $pkg |
| 21:46.13 | war | done |
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| 21:47.49 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:48.02 | ida01 | I have installed EVMS Administration Utility and two of the SCSI HDDs are RAID1 (as MD1) however I do not know how to mount it - if I use EVMS - Actions-File System- Mount - the application is asking for a moutning point - I point to a folder made in /home but it never mounts - and the sistem almost hangs 0 what should I do ? |
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| 21:48.39 | grendal_prime | abrotman: ya thats what got me into this somehow |
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| 21:49.56 | justin | ida01: remove this "EVMS Administration Utility", add /dev/md1 to /etc/fstab |
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| 21:51.56 | FleaDie | hey . . . hello |
| 21:52.07 | Ivanowitch | when i do modprobe snd-opti93x my system freezes... but i'm positive that it is the right driver for my sound card... any ideas? |
| 21:52.14 | FleaDie | who has worked with deborphan? |
| 21:52.21 | qdk | Does Debian (4.0) use a vanilla configured kernel or are there any special settings? |
| 21:52.26 | war | I use it to wipe out old packages FleaDie |
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| 21:53.49 | FleaDie | war : only old packages? |
| 21:53.49 | raf256 | I have image of entire hard drive, like hda.img - how to mount it's 2nd partition? |
| 21:53.49 | war | unused packages yeah |
| 21:53.49 | war | raf256: very difficult |
| 21:53.49 | war | raf256: you have to use the -o offset option |
| 21:53.49 | raf256 | war damn |
| 21:53.51 | raf256 | war: oh, that is not so bad then? |
| 21:53.55 | war | raf256: googl eit, there is a lot of discussion about it |
| 21:54.00 | war | raf256: I never had any luck doing it |
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| 21:54.06 | FleaDie | Orphaned is dont like unused |
| 21:54.11 | raf256 | war: how to use cfdisc or something to check partition table? |
| 21:54.24 | war | raf256: that's part of the problem, I forget there is a cmd I believe to get that |
| 21:54.34 | war | raf256: no chance you can dd it back to some other disk? |
| 21:54.35 | FleaDie | deborphan finds packages that have no packages depending on them. |
| 21:54.38 | war | FleaDie: correct |
| 21:54.44 | war | FleaDie: usless pakages |
| 21:54.52 | war | FleaDie: I have all of the packages it lists daily removed automatically |
| 21:54.53 | FleaDie | ok |
| 21:54.54 | war | to keep my systems clean |
| 21:55.07 | war | I don't use --libdevel though |
| 21:55.10 | war | just deborphan |
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| 21:55.29 | raf256 | war: not really, it always was just an image - for PC emulator |
| 21:55.33 | FleaDie | if a execute ..... for pkg in `deborphan` ; do deborphan -d | egrep [[:space:]].*$pkg$ | uniq ; done |
| 21:55.35 | grendal_prime | hey speaking of hda.img's is it possible to restore a partimage file to a larger partion? |
| 21:55.35 | war | raf256: ah |
| 21:55.40 | I-kido | !deborphan |
| 21:55.40 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 21:55.45 | war | grendal_prime: never tried it but good ? |
| 21:55.50 | I-kido | !localepurge |
| 21:56.02 | creature | Consider http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gaim-thinklight . This has two source packages; one "standard" one and a diff. How do I apply the diff to the source? |
| 21:56.08 | raf256 | war: but wait, I can boot into that other system and use cfdisk :) what next, assuming I have the sector(?) where partition starts? |
| 21:56.10 | grendal_prime | it basically complained to me about the partion being restored to is not the same size |
| 21:56.20 | war | raf256: if you can boot into it |
| 21:56.23 | war | raf256: dd if=/dev/hda1 |
| 21:56.27 | war | raf256: don't do the whole img :P |
| 21:56.29 | grendal_prime | its a great prog war |
| 21:56.32 | war | the whole hdd rather |
| 21:56.40 | grendal_prime | accept for that one thing. |
| 21:56.51 | raf256 | war I think I will try to mount the image while a system is running on it O_o |
| 21:56.56 | war | grendal_prime: never used it |
| 21:57.01 | war | raf256: k |
| 21:57.06 | raf256 | I hope giving corrupted/invalid data can not cause kernel to crash? |
| 21:57.29 | Quibus | good night folks |
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| 21:57.31 | war | raf256: what are you trying to do anyway |
| 21:58.32 | justin | raf256: you better me mounting it read only |
| 21:58.55 | raf256 | war: setting up paranoid secured box for fun |
| 21:59.03 | raf256 | and/or honey pot |
| 21:59.11 | ida01 | justin: does this look like a correct entry on fstab? --- /dev/md1 /home/user/RAIDSCSI ext3 defaults, 0 0 |
| 21:59.15 | war | you mean a virtual machine raf256 ? |
| 21:59.31 | war | ida01: no comma after default |
| 21:59.32 | justin | ida01: that is an awfully strange place to be mounting something |
| 21:59.37 | raf256 | war: well I have it already. now to monitor it's file system from outside |
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| 21:59.43 | war | raf256: ah |
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| 21:59.58 | ida01 | justin: shoult I mount it in /mnt ? what do you recomend ? |
| 22:00.09 | justin | ida01: what is it? |
| 22:00.49 | raf256 | war: I belive it would be possible to breake out of virtual box and hack real host machine! very hard though :P hack guest and write invalid raw data into hard drive, causing host's monitor to read incorrect data as file system and crash it's kernel :P |
| 22:00.57 | war | raf256: yes |
| 22:01.11 | war | raf256: that is why you should create a bridge to a guest machine (physical) |
| 22:01.17 | ida01 | justin: it is a scsi RAID1 which I plan to add /var |
| 22:01.22 | war | raf256: -----> inet ------> bridge [invisible] -------> guest |
| 22:01.23 | grendal_prime | k thanks abrotman |
| 22:01.34 | raf256 | war: I think the monitor should be in another virtual box, running when first virtual box is powered off, and running things like integrit on it |
| 22:01.39 | justin | ida01: ah, then /mnt/new_var would work |
| 22:01.41 | ida01 | justin: I want to obviously use it for a webserver |
| 22:01.42 | abrotman | HI |
| 22:01.45 | abrotman | grendal_prime: fixed ? |
| 22:01.50 | war | raf256: virtual box, someone will be able to tell its a honey pot |
| 22:01.53 | grendal_prime | ya |
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| 22:02.03 | raf256 | war: anyway, its a cool topic :) |
| 22:02.07 | war | raf256: fun fun ;) |
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| 22:02.23 | BillyP | hi all. what would be the best channel to ask a ghost4linux (FOSS version of Partition Magic) question on? |
| 22:02.23 | raf256 | war: kqemu makes it possible to play with it in one life time :P |
| 22:02.43 | war | true |
| 22:03.20 | grendal_prime | had to remove something...bsd-inetd? |
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| 22:03.38 | grendal_prime | dont even know why the thing was on there but after that everthing reconfigured fine |
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| 22:04.17 | ida01 | justin: now that you make me think - should'nt I mount it as /var ? |
| 22:04.36 | peteweez | Is there a way using ps to find the session leader for a username (i.e. I want to find the process that if killed, will kill all the user's other processes)? |
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| 22:05.00 | justin | ida01: you probably should go to single user mode, copy the /var to /mnt/new_var, then move /var to /old_var and remount /mnt/new_var on /var |
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| 22:05.37 | userek | hi i've got a problem im trying to compile one program but i get the following error: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 22:05.57 | userek | any ideas? |
| 22:05.58 | abrotman | !b-e userek |
| 22:05.59 | dpkg | userek: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 22:06.13 | grendal_prime | still confused about this though |
| 22:06.18 | grendal_prime | pci_set_power_state(): 0000:00:0a.0: state=3, current state=5 |
| 22:06.27 | creature | Consider http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/gaim-thinklight . This has two source packages; one "standard" one and a diff. How do I apply the diff to the source? |
| 22:06.39 | userek | i'll try thanks |
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| 22:07.50 | samuk | is there a debian-live irc? |
| 22:08.12 | tarzeau | RichiH: hey :) |
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| 22:08.33 | userek | can i install all dev packages by one command, is there a way? |
| 22:08.48 | ida01 | justin: I am still thinking of what you wrote last - I do not have anything yet on /var (I have yet to install apache etc) |
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| 22:09.34 | justin | ida01: you have plenty of VERY IMPORTANT things on /var |
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| 22:10.37 | userek | or at least is there any easy way to install all dev packages for xorg? |
| 22:10.48 | justin | x-dev ? |
| 22:10.59 | x_link | The wine version that's in the debian repo, is that a old version or? |
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| 22:11.49 | userek | okay i have installed however i stil get the configure error: checking for X11/XKBlib.h... no |
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| 22:12.09 | seriouslycgi | can anyone tell me the command to start the gui for resolution settings in sarge? |
| 22:12.11 | ida01 | justin: mea culpa - I was thinking of /var/www only to be use on the raid |
| 22:12.46 | seriouslycgi | i have a default install with wrong res settings and no task bar |
| 22:13.03 | userek | any ideas? |
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| 22:13.31 | userek | its seems thta x-dev didn't contain everything i need |
| 22:13.55 | ida01 | justin: do you think I should put all /var or should I put only /var/www on the RAID1 SCSI ? |
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| 22:16.03 | justin | ida01: whichever |
| 22:16.13 | enouf | grendal_prime: try "dpkg-reconfigure debconf", also man debconf, man 7 debconf (very helpful info), and perhaps dpkg-preconfigure |
| 22:16.48 | rolandlakr | I currently use KDE but I want to try a different DE. How would I specify between icewm and KDE when I run x? |
| 22:17.04 | ida01 | justin: many thanks! see you later |
| 22:17.11 | enouf | grendal_prime: this way any further installed pkgs wil present you with the config questions during installation (assuming you set prioriy=low or medium, I suppose) |
| 22:17.32 | justin | rolandlakr: how do you "run x" now? |
| 22:17.40 | rolandlakr | justin: startx |
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| 22:18.03 | rolandlakr | justin: to start KDE |
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| 22:18.48 | hwichmann | I'm having trouble connecting a POP client to my MTA. It allows the client to connect from the |
| 22:18.51 | hwichmann | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.52 | enouf | userek: install xorg-dev |
| 22:19.21 | enouf | rhalff: the command for kde is startkde |
| 22:19.21 | justin | hwichmann: you don't connect a pop client to a MTA, you connect a pop client to a pop server |
| 22:19.36 | enouf | erm rolandlakr .. sorry rhalff |
| 22:19.41 | justin | rolandlakr: write an ~/.xsession, or use update-alternatives to change it system wide |
| 22:19.46 | rhalff | enouf: ls shows a file list. |
| 22:19.49 | userek | aghh, thanks |
| 22:19.54 | userek | its confusing |
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| 22:19.59 | hwichmann | justin: thanks for responding though |
| 22:20.08 | hwichmann | justin: where do I start looking? |
| 22:20.14 | userek | these packages should be isntalled autamaticly, its only few extra Mb's |
| 22:20.20 | rolandlakr | enouf: what is the command to start icewm? |
| 22:20.34 | justin | hwichmann: telnet yourserver pop3 from an external network |
| 22:20.34 | rolandlakr | justin: I don't plan on making a system wide change. I want to test around. |
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| 22:20.47 | enouf | rolandlakr: if you use a DM (kdm, xdm, gdm) you should be presented those options at login |
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| 22:20.59 | enouf | rolandlakr: which DE or WM you want to use |
| 22:21.14 | rahul | rolandlakr: man xsession |
| 22:21.17 | rolandlakr | enouf: I want to try IceWM |
| 22:21.19 | hwichmann | justin: the machine's name is canelot.energyts.com . Will you try from there? |
| 22:21.35 | enouf | rolandlakr: what's cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? |
| 22:21.42 | astroboy | Hi, in a newly setup ETCH I have to enter nameservers & search fields via network-admin because /e/tc/resolv.conf has a "do not edit !" msg. best to set up auto netwk config on boot ? |
| 22:21.53 | rolandlakr | enouf: eurg my mouse isn't working now. |
| 22:22.16 | rolandlakr | Hold on I'm going to get the mouse working.. not sure why it decided to stop. |
| 22:22.22 | enouf | rhalff: apologies, I accidentally tab completed your name .. were you asking a question that I missed? |
| 22:22.37 | rhalff | enouf: no I wasn't |
| 22:22.44 | enouf | rhalff: ok |
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| 22:24.58 | rolandlakr | Okay, now that my mouse is working. |
| 22:25.36 | enouf | Since you're using KDE , you want to go into kcontrol (type that in an xterm, or get there though Kmenu), and under System Admin area, deselect Auto-login stuff, so your {kdm,xdm,gdm} prompts you to select a WM of your choice rolandlakr |
| 22:25.55 | rolandlakr | enouf: Alrighty. |
| 22:26.28 | enouf | rolandlakr: take a peek inside /etc/alternatives, and use update-alternatives to --list, or --config those listed there |
| 22:26.48 | enouf | rolandlakr: man update-alternatives, man update-<tab><tab> ;-) |
| 22:27.36 | hwichmann | someone PLEASE help me with my problem connecting to my POP server |
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| 22:28.11 | hwichmann | I can connect to my POP server on port 110 from an internal address, but not from externall addresses. How do I change this? |
| 22:28.20 | abrotman | fix your firewall |
| 22:28.32 | hwichmann | abrotman: good point. Thanks |
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| 22:28.32 | astroboy | Hi, is entering manually nameservers & search a security feature in Etch ? |
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| 22:28.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: re |
| 22:29.02 | dob1 | hi, i have a kernel compiled from scratch , i have the source on /usr/src/linux-2.6.x now i want only to compile a module that i forget, how can i do this? |
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| 22:29.22 | tarzeau | dob1: using make-kpkg ? |
| 22:29.54 | dob1 | tarzeau: no i compiled it with make all, make modules etc |
| 22:30.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: hi |
| 22:30.14 | enouf | dob1: module-assistant perhaps |
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| 22:31.19 | dob1 | enouf: i can't add the module thought make menuconfig and then use make modules, make modules_install ? just to know if it is possible :) |
| 22:32.01 | samuk | i edited /etc/make-live.conf to include a custom repo, now make-live fails with P: Retrieving Release.gpg |
| 22:32.01 | samuk | E: Couldn't download Release.gpg! |
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| 22:32.28 | hwichmann | abrotman: I can see dmasq entries for routing port 80, but nothing for port 22. Still, SSH works. How do I make the firewall also allow port 110 requests to arrive at the pop server? |
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| 22:32.43 | abrotman | hwichmann: depends on your firewall |
| 22:32.58 | hwichmann | abrotman: debian's dmasq system setting iptables |
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| 22:33.25 | hwichmann | abrotman: better still: what do I grep for? |
| 22:33.39 | junix | can anyone help me get a lexmark x5150 usb printer running on linux |
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| 22:34.03 | Morydd | how can I boot without starting the display manager? |
| 22:34.18 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 22:34.19 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 22:34.20 | enouf | dob1: add to what? .. to make modules, you'll need atleast kernel headers and build-essential and module-assistant IIRC |
| 22:34.48 | enouf | dob1: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 22:35.15 | dob1 | enouf: no maybe i didn't explain it corret, i don't have a deb kernel, it's a kernel source downloaded from kernel.org |
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| 22:36.01 | enouf | dob1: well .. I'm not entirely sure then ;-) .. try the wiki.debian.org see custom kerenl area(s) perhaps |
| 22:36.12 | acu | man! with the help of justin I made the SCSI Raid work - it is blazingly fast - a 50 mb file took less than 2 secs to transfer!! |
| 22:36.16 | h3sp4wn | dob1: There is a way to do it you need to do it manually using something like - make -C /lib/modules/(uname -r)/build -M/path/to/where/you/are modules |
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| 22:36.39 | Morydd | the problem I'm having is that xdm is starting on boot and then locking up the system. Is there anyway to prevent it from loading from the boot prompt? |
| 22:36.40 | dob1 | enouf, h3sp4wn ok thanks i will try in some way :) |
| 22:36.45 | h3sp4wn | dob1: (I have only used it for simple stuff though) |
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| 22:37.23 | justin | Morydd: are you using grub or lilo? |
| 22:37.28 | Morydd | lilo |
| 22:37.42 | justin | Morydd: ah, grub would have a rescue mode already in the menu.... |
| 22:37.49 | justin | Morydd: boot with 'linux single' |
| 22:37.51 | EdLin | Morydd: apt-get remove --purge xdm will remove it and its scripts |
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| 22:38.12 | EdLin | Morydd: once you've booted.... |
| 22:38.20 | acu | however I installed Debian on one of the IDE hdd and I wanted to make a RAID1 with the second IDE I have - during installation I tried to make that but I could not - any starting point sugestion ? |
| 22:39.06 | justin | acu: uh.. you need 2 drives to have a raid1 |
| 22:39.28 | samuk | junix does this help? http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-x5150 |
| 22:39.52 | Morydd | justin, EdLin : Thanks |
| 22:40.22 | bzed | acu: did you use the etch installer? |
| 22:40.48 | acu | justin: I have two IDEs - in one I have installed the OS and the other is empty - you are telling me that I need besides the OS HDD IDE to have two more IDE HDD? - No problem I can add one more (it happen that the third one is the same brand and size ) |
| 22:40.50 | Morydd | now I just have to figure out how to fix X |
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| 22:41.07 | hwichmann | abrotman: c'mon, please help me with the firewall problem |
| 22:41.17 | justin | acu: you do know what raid1 means, right? |
| 22:41.27 | acu | bzed: yes and I got some specific messages |
| 22:41.35 | acu | justin: I guess |
| 22:41.49 | justin | acu: maybe read a wikipedia article on raid first? |
| 22:41.58 | acu | justin: I know :) |
| 22:42.00 | Morydd | apparently one of my 2 video cards is no longer supported by the nvidia driver. |
| 22:42.15 | justin | Morydd: there is a nvidia legacy driver now |
| 22:42.39 | bzed | acu: you want to create 3 partitions witht the same size on each harddrive, one for boot, one for swap and the rest |
| 22:42.52 | h3sp4wn | Morydd: there is a new legacy (9631) |
| 22:42.56 | bzed | acu: then add a raid1 for each pair of partitions |
| 22:43.14 | justin | you don't need a /boot partion to boot from raid1 |
| 22:43.27 | Morydd | yeah, I've been using the nvidia-installer, have to figure out what I need to do to use the legacy ones. |
| 22:43.44 | samuk | can anyone help me with editing make-live.conf? I wish to set a custom repo and package |
| 22:43.47 | bzed | justin: no, you don't but if you start to do it right then just add lvm on top of it |
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| 22:44.29 | acu | justin: I just made one raid with SCSI - and thanks to you I could mount it - the only challenge I face is the IDE with the OS |
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| 22:44.48 | justin | acu: you should have set this up during the install, it would have been much easier |
| 22:45.06 | acu | bzed: OK so I will have three raid1 sets OK - where should I start |
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| 22:45.17 | bzed | acu: wait, did you isntall yoru system allready? |
| 22:45.31 | noob_ | if I'm running debian sarge and want to update MySQL from v4.0.24_Debian-10sarge1-log to version 4.1, is there an easy command I could run (apt-get??) that would allow me to keep all my current mysql config? |
| 22:45.31 | acu | justin: it worked for SCSI but the IDE in which I wanted to install the OS did not work |
| 22:45.32 | enouf | acu: choose/type 'expert' at boot, and you should be presented with RAID options as long as the IDE controller is recognized .. whcih i guess would also tell us hardraid or softraid (most likely soft) |
| 22:45.47 | justin | enouf: you don't need to boot in expert mode to setup raid |
| 22:45.55 | cato | hi, whats the easiest way to build a package from an svn-rep (which I don't have write-access to)? |
| 22:45.56 | enouf | acu: erm.. you're past install ..ok.. duh |
| 22:46.03 | enouf | justin: ok |
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| 22:46.38 | bzed | acu: did you jsut install it? and do your disks have the same size? |
| 22:46.52 | enouf | cato: you don't need write access .. use checkout, or just co |
| 22:47.08 | n3kl | Hi. I am following the guide at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/470 -- I would like to make all my xen virtual machines use the same interface as their only interface. The machine has 3 nics in it and I would prefer all of the vms to be able to see and use only eth0. Anyone have any expierence with this? |
| 22:47.29 | enouf | cato: rapidsvn is a decent small gui svn tool (I use it) |
| 22:47.36 | crazy_penguin | Good night! |
| 22:47.46 | acu | bzed: yes, I just installed the OS and the IDE hard disks are the same size - |
| 22:47.51 | cato | enouf: are there no scripts for that, so I can just run one command when the svn has changed, that builds a new package? |
| 22:48.16 | bzed | acu: did the installer recognize your ide controller? |
| 22:48.31 | junix | samuk: i need to see if its recognized byt the system, i'm trying to get this to work VMWARE |
| 22:48.31 | Caelum | when I do firefox "url" from irssi it tells me iceweasel is not responding, didn't have that problem with bon echo, what could be causing it? |
| 22:48.50 | bzed | n3kl: remove the lines for the eth2,3 and change the lines in the next script to show the right bridge interface |
| 22:48.54 | enouf | hrm .. that's a bit beyond me .. I usually svn co svn://... and read all the MAKEFILE and README/INSTALL stuff ;-) |
| 22:48.58 | acu | bzed: I guess so - since I installed the OS on the IDE HDD |
| 22:49.58 | n3kl | bzed: but maintain the bridge=xenbr0,1,2 accordingly? |
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| 22:50.10 | bzed | acu: then the fastest ways is to jsut install it again, and setup raid while installing. probably 120M for /boot, 2G for swap and the rest as one junk, which you can slip again by using lvm |
| 22:50.17 | n3kl | bzed: so set all netdev=eth0 then |
| 22:50.19 | n3kl | ? |
| 22:50.49 | bzed | n3kl: no, remove those 2 lines, and use bridge=xenbr0 |
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| 22:50.59 | noob_ | if I'm running debian sarge and want to update MySQL from v4.0.24_Debian-10sarge1-log to version 4.1, is there an easy command I could run (apt-get??) that would allow me to keep all my current mysql config? |
| 22:51.37 | acu | bzed: I can try again - the problem I faced is that it would not make the raid1 on the IDE hdd - I got a message which I forgot and did not write down (to my shame) |
| 22:52.19 | samuk | i have never used vmware, have you tried cups? http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/options.html |
| 22:52.25 | bzed | acu: you wanted to create a partition for raid on the disk? |
| 22:52.34 | bzed | acu: or when exactly did it fail? |
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| 22:53.43 | bzed | samuk: try http://localhost:631 if you've cups installed, if not, install cups first |
| 22:53.48 | acu | bzed: I made the RAID partitions on both IDEs HDD create the MD but when I appled it failed |
| 22:54.45 | bzed | acu: are you sure the partitions had the smae size? do both drives are from the same type? |
| 22:54.58 | bzed | acu: would be good to know the exact error |
| 22:56.24 | n3kl | bzed: so the first script is setting up the number of virual interfaces and how they corospond to the real interface? |
| 22:56.38 | bzed | yes |
| 22:57.03 | n3kl | bzed: and the second is the how the guest vms will take advantage of them? |
| 22:57.37 | noob_ | if I'm running debian sarge and want to update MySQL from v4.0.24_Debian-10sarge1-log to version 4.1, is there an easy command I could run (apt-get??) that would allow me to keep all my current mysql config? |
| 22:57.41 | bzed | n3kl: the first script configures your network bridges, and in the second you tell the guest which bridge to use. a bridge is like a 'real' one... with cables and so... just virtual... |
| 22:57.41 | n3kl | so I am only allowing them to be aware of a single interface? |
| 22:58.47 | n3kl | bzed: I think I get it. I am just starting to play with xen, can you tell? |
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| 22:58.49 | n3kl | thanks |
| 22:58.50 | bzed | noob_: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1, it'll ask you if it should overwrite your config, say N then. probably make a backup before, but usually it just works |
| 22:59.06 | bzed | n3kl: yes :P np |
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| 23:00.48 | daxxar | Sigh, aufs is supposed to be a *stable* and reliable version of unionfs. |
| 23:01.00 | daxxar | This POS is kernel OOPsing me on unmounts, for Gods sake. :| |
| 23:01.32 | agike | Is there an ETCH channel ? |
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| 23:03.39 | jetscreamer | this is it |
| 23:03.49 | jetscreamer | see also that other server |
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| 23:04.42 | acu | bzed: thanks - I am going to go again trought the installation process |
| 23:04.47 | tenco | bzed: found what was missing in /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
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| 23:05.06 | tenco | bzed: i had to add the option "bind-interfaces" |
| 23:05.19 | noob_ | bzed: thanks bunches |
| 23:05.31 | noob_ | bzed: is there a quick way to "make a backup" as you suggested? |
| 23:05.36 | maddash | what does /etc/init.d/bootclean do? |
| 23:05.40 | agike | jetscreamer: Thanks. I have a "do not edit !" msg in /etc/resolv.conf & have to insert nameserver & search by hand. |
| 23:05.45 | tenco | bzed: now it dnsmasq only listens to the interface i specified with "interface=" |
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| 23:06.15 | agike | .. in a new Etch install. |
| 23:06.54 | agike | How does one set up auto netwk config .. ? |
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| 23:07.26 | rolandlakr | enouf: Hey, I couldn't find how to set it up to ask me if i wanted to use KDE or IceWM in Kcontrol |
| 23:07.36 | justin | agike: what is auto netwk config? dhcp? |
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| 23:07.43 | bzed | tenco: aah ok. reading the docu sometimes helps :D but that's still somewhat weird, that it ignores one config option if another one is not set |
| 23:07.48 | agike | justin: static |
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| 23:08.06 | justin | !tell agike about interfaces |
| 23:08.20 | enouf | rolandlakr: you'll see it as choices under the login screen of your DM (k/x/gdm) |
| 23:08.21 | bzed | noob_: well, I assume you're doing regular database backups, so you probably want to backup /etc/mysql/my.cnf, too |
| 23:08.31 | agike | /etc/network/interfaces .. ? |
| 23:08.36 | tenco | bzed: found it on dnsmasqs bugreports page XD |
| 23:08.37 | agike | Yep, done that .. |
| 23:09.03 | noob_ | bzed: roger that |
| 23:09.13 | noob_ | bzed: thanks again for your superiour advice |
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| 23:10.44 | bzed | noob_: np. probably you'll also have to install mysql-client-4.1 - not sure if the server dpeends on it |
| 23:10.50 | enouf | rolandlakr: one usual way to trigger this Login screen appearing is to issue a "telinit 1" command .. or just /etc/init.d/{k|d|x}dm restart |
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| 23:10.57 | agike | justin: that makes sense .. I didn't put them in. |
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| 23:11.15 | noob_ | bzed: is the apt-get command the same? |
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| 23:11.25 | bzed | noob_: yes, apt-get install ..... |
| 23:11.57 | noob_ | bzed: great, thank you, sir/ma'am. |
| 23:11.57 | bzed | sir ;) |
| 23:11.57 | bzed | you're welcome |
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| 23:12.07 | bzed | !tell noob_ about apt-get |
| 23:12.09 | enouf | could've fooled me |
| 23:12.22 | noob_ | bzed: cool, a link. thanks. |
| 23:12.38 | S2AnGeL | any one good with dns? |
| 23:12.47 | noob_ | bzed: (sir) |
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| 23:12.56 | agike | justin: I take that back .. I do have them in .. via resolv.conf .. I'll see what happens next time. |
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| 23:13.07 | S2AnGeL | I want to make a name server with the existing sdomain name I have registered.. and point it to my server running ispconfig.. |
| 23:13.09 | jetscreamer | agike: the bug i know of in etch, /etc/network/interfaces has allow-hotplug eth0 in it. what i do is comment out that, and put auto eth0 |
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| 23:13.24 | jetscreamer | hth |
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| 23:14.10 | bzed | S2AnGeL: if you know nothign about DNS you don;t want to setup one.... |
| 23:14.18 | S2AnGeL | too late |
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| 23:15.14 | S2AnGeL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:15.46 | S2AnGeL | ok .. so I want to send a site to my name server and I use a opensrs.net reseller.. i register a domain name and I select name servers and make a name server that is based on the domain name I and managing.. |
| 23:16.19 | S2AnGeL | how do I point it to my server.. , so I enter my ip and make up a name ns.domain.com and give it a ip.. |
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| 23:16.45 | Muisje | omfg |
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| 23:16.59 | bzed | S2AnGeL: you just do not want to do it :) |
| 23:17.11 | Muisje | http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dns.htm @ S2AnGeL |
| 23:17.21 | S2AnGeL | maybe I should be making a site (a diffrent one) a A record and pointing it to the ip of my server and entering the server ipaddress through my dns provider and just point websites I want to run the dns through directly |
| 23:17.32 | Muisje | http://www.dnswiz.com/dnsworks.htm |
| 23:17.46 | Muisje | S2AnGeL rtfm i just gave you |
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| 23:18.27 | geo-rge | S2AnGeL: your server MUST be well connected |
| 23:18.53 | bzed | S2AnGeL: trust me, you don;t want to do DNS on your own, except you have a really good reason to do so |
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| 23:19.42 | Muisje | + Most ISP's won't let you run a DNS server |
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| 23:19.50 | bzed | S2AnGeL: if your ISP can do NS for you you really want to do that |
| 23:19.55 | Muisje | and i have no idea why i end DNS with server |
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| 23:20.03 | Erich | Hey, in Debian 3.1 R4/R5, what does the R stand for? |
| 23:20.10 | Muisje | Revision or Release |
| 23:20.18 | S2AnGeL | ok .. so you know the server I run uses a dns service.. but I have to pay per domain I add.. sometimes I just want to park some domains so I want to point it to my server directly not to the name servers of my dns then to my site.. |
| 23:20.18 | S2AnGeL | just trying to keep costs down.. no sence paying extra monthly charges for something I could run directly and is not nessary critical.. hell if its up 80% of the time I am happy |
| 23:20.23 | Erich | So the higher the number the better, yeah? |
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| 23:20.36 | srobert | Yeah that's redundant and unnecessarily repetitive |
| 23:20.39 | magyar | i am transfering from SATA II drive to SATA II drive both with ext3, the transfer rate doesnt exceed 28MBs. Is it normal? |
| 23:20.55 | bzed | Muisje: domain name service server? :D kleine maus *g* |
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| 23:21.10 | S2AnGeL | whatever |
| 23:21.14 | Morydd | following the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers I built/installed the legacy drivers, but when I modprobe nvidia, I'm still getting the "new" driver. How Can I get rid of that so the legacy driver will run? |
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| 23:21.42 | stew | Erich: yes, but it only refers to which packages are shipped on the cd, as long as you have a security.debian.org source, it doesn't matter if you started with R3 or R4 or what |
| 23:21.52 | geo-rge | S2AnGeL: well ok... but the other thing you need if you're going to do this, is you -must- have a static ip |
| 23:22.00 | S2AnGeL | I just want a place that my domains I register for clients.. who just want them.. to point to something go direct to the server.. and not have to tack on unnessary costs.. |
| 23:22.01 | bzed | S2AnGeL: after the first attack on your NS you'll know why you don;t do it if you see the traffic bill. on the other site, a NS entry is cheap, at least at my ISQ |
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| 23:22.16 | bzed | Muisje: ^^ |
| 23:22.34 | bzed | S2AnGeL: *ISP |
| 23:22.37 | Muisje | bzed, well... actually that's not true. |
| 23:22.41 | S2AnGeL | yes. yess I have a static ip.. I have 3 diffrent servers.. one is the main one.. 2 are backup mx servers.. but see the dns service is simple to setup never done it direct before |
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| 23:23.02 | bzed | S2AnGeL: it is _not_ simple |
| 23:23.03 | Muisje | ISP's generally provide some sort of a protection against too large attacks |
| 23:23.06 | S2AnGeL | all at diffrent locations all diffrent isp's |
| 23:23.22 | geo-rge | these are for -clients-?? if you're just now planning on learning dns, let them handle the domains for at least the first 6 month while you STUDY |
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| 23:23.45 | S2AnGeL | I have a proper dns provider.. |
| 23:23.45 | bzed | S2AnGeL: I know tons about dns and wouldn't even think about setting up one without reading trough the bind9 book again |
| 23:24.11 | Muisje | But S2AnGeL is way up his/her neck and shouldn't do things without (as i assume) knowing how DNS works and what the advantages/disadvantages are. + Not to speak about even the possibility cause alot of ISP's have firewalled you from ever running a DNS. |
| 23:24.19 | S2AnGeL | look its for 4 sites.. that are idle .. i want them to just show a page saying we own them.. nothing more.. |
| 23:24.47 | S2AnGeL | I am running a bind from the perfect setup on ispconfig from one of my servers |
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| 23:25.01 | bzed | S2AnGeL: you usually can do this where you've registered your domains. for $1 or so per year |
| 23:25.14 | Muisje | S2AnGeL you really are talking bullshit |
| 23:25.22 | Muisje | Perfect ISN'T available |
| 23:25.41 | Muisje | It does not exist and is an illusion |
| 23:25.47 | stew | S2AnGeL: so what exactly are you having trouble with? |
| 23:25.47 | Muisje | There is no such thing as perfect. |
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| 23:26.14 | S2AnGeL | perfect is what the setup was called |
| 23:26.22 | S2AnGeL | I am not saying its perfect.. |
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| 23:26.30 | Muisje | And you are stupid enough to run anything named perfect? |
| 23:26.42 | stew | Muisje: ? |
| 23:26.43 | jdavis_ | how do I tell for sure that DMA is enabled? |
| 23:26.45 | S2AnGeL | if you google debian ispconfig perfect setup.. its a well nown setup link for debian and ispconfig |
| 23:26.58 | stew | S2AnGeL: do you have a specific question? |
| 23:27.09 | S2AnGeL | look I am not going to argue with you.. |
| 23:27.23 | S2AnGeL | i just want to nkow how to send sites directly to my site |
| 23:27.25 | bzed | S2AnGeL: as far as I can see you can manage all NS entries at your provider |
| 23:27.26 | Muisje | stew, he/she does not know what he/she is doing. |
| 23:27.42 | stew | S2AnGeL: what do you mean? |
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| 23:27.46 | bzed | S2AnGeL: https://manage.opensrs.net/ << add your entries there |
| 23:27.51 | S2AnGeL | yes where I registered my domain.. i login to the pannel select name servers.. |
| 23:27.59 | S2AnGeL | if you scroll up I thinkn I mentioned that |
| 23:28.12 | bzed | S2AnGeL: you need one A entry per server |
| 23:28.17 | Muisje | S2AnGeL, you know what? Do what you like. I warned you enough. |
| 23:28.28 | stew | Muisje: please just use /ignore |
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| 23:28.42 | bzed | S2AnGeL: I'm pretty sure they provide that for you. use it |
| 23:29.10 | S2AnGeL | I just want to know how to setup so that it goes directly to my server.. do I have to setup a A record on one of my domains that goes through my DNS provider.. say ns1.domain.com to my ip (static) where I have bind running |
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| 23:29.13 | Muisje | stew, i just ended my conversation so no need to /ignore ;) |
| 23:29.38 | selim | can someone help me with a proftpd problem installed on debian controlled over vhcs2? |
| 23:29.39 | bzed | S2AnGeL: then you don;t need to run a NS when you've an A record pointing to your servers IP |
| 23:29.39 | selim | I've done a upgrade and since this upgrade my proftpd denies any connection, anyone some idea? |
| 23:29.45 | Muisje | and thanks bzed |
| 23:29.54 | S2AnGeL | bzed so that is a yes |
| 23:29.56 | bzed | Muisje: ;) |
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| 23:30.18 | bzed | S2AnGeL: what is a yes? |
| 23:30.35 | bzed | S2AnGeL: tell me: do you have an A record pointing to one of your servers? |
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| 23:30.50 | bzed | S2AnGeL: are you able to add that in the NS managment interface of your ISP? |
| 23:30.59 | S2AnGeL | of cose I do |
| 23:31.06 | geo-rge | a yes is a word |
| 23:31.06 | S2AnGeL | corse |
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| 23:31.09 | bzed | S2AnGeL: like having www.yourdomain.com pointing to 123.123.123.123 |
| 23:31.20 | geo-rge | a yes is a unix cmd |
| 23:31.20 | S2AnGeL | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.26 | bzed | S2AnGeL: for what would you need a NS then@!? |
| 23:31.35 | geo-rge | a yes means you want to |
| 23:31.41 | geo-rge | a yes is a band |
| 23:31.47 | bzed | !slap geo-rge |
| 23:32.00 | S2AnGeL | you could of answered the question I asked with yes that will work.. |
| 23:32.03 | geo-rge | you asked :P |
| 23:32.15 | stew | S2AnGeL: what you said didnt' make sense |
| 23:32.27 | bzed | S2AnGeL: be happy that you don't need your own NS and drink a tea or two and read a book about bind |
| 23:32.34 | S2AnGeL | do I have to setup a A record on one of my domains that goes through my DNS provider.. say ns1.domain.com to my ip (static) where I have bind running |
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| 23:32.52 | bzed | S2AnGeL: you don't have bind running. you just add an A record. |
| 23:32.53 | stew | S2AnGeL: what does "goes through my dns provider" mean? |
| 23:32.56 | geo-rge | I've never seen Yes live... but I did see a lineup called Anderson Bruford Wakeman and Howe |
| 23:33.03 | Muisje | !nickometer S2AnGeL |
| 23:33.04 | dpkg | 'S2AnGeL' is 34.000% lame, muisje |
| 23:33.06 | stew | geo-rge: please keep it on topic |
| 23:33.10 | stew | Muisje: please stop |
| 23:33.12 | geo-rge | they used Jeff Berlin on bass |
| 23:33.17 | bzed | Muisje: aaah thanks for reminding me on that :D |
| 23:33.28 | bzed | !nickometer r00t___ |
| 23:33.29 | dpkg | 'r00t___' is 99.730% lame, bzed |
| 23:33.34 | S2AnGeL | if you look above or maybe you just got hee.. but I explained I have a dns provider like dynadns |
| 23:33.36 | bzed | yay :D |
| 23:33.40 | Muisje | dpkg is funny |
| 23:33.51 | Muisje | my nick is 0% lame :) |
| 23:34.03 | S2AnGeL | look I will try that thanks for your advice |
| 23:34.30 | S2AnGeL | as cryptic as it was.. |
| 23:34.53 | Morydd | following the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers I built/installed the legacy drivers, but when I modprobe nvidia, I'm still getting the "new" driver. How Can I get rid of that so the legacy driver will run? |
| 23:35.47 | S2AnGeL | sorry guys.. I just scrolled up.. and I understand now.. |
| 23:35.52 | S2AnGeL | i do not make much sence.. |
| 23:35.53 | itchi | dondelelcaro: FOSDEM is over :-( It may be removed of the topic now. Man, very thanks to have it put there ;-) |
| 23:35.53 | bzed | S2AnGeL: first advice: remove bind form all your servers. 2. advice: learn how to handle the NS management interface of your provider |
| 23:36.00 | stew | S2AnGeL: read the DNS howto if you haven't yet |
| 23:36.01 | S2AnGeL | I am running a tyny keyboard |
| 23:36.03 | S2AnGeL | tiny |
| 23:36.17 | S2AnGeL | the keys are .. well whavvever.. no one |
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| 23:36.26 | S2AnGeL | no wonder everyone is getting mad at me |
| 23:36.34 | streuner | itchi: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 23:36.46 | stew | i'm on it |
| 23:36.59 | itchi | streuner: I had ask it to dondelelcaro to put it in the topic :-p |
| 23:36.59 | streuner | that's what iam trying to say... |
| 23:37.33 | itchi | streuner: And wanted to thank him again :-) |
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| 23:37.46 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> /msg dpkg 3.1r5 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 23:38.13 | Muisje | stew on steroids :) |
| 23:38.20 | itchi | stew: ;-) |
| 23:38.22 | streuner | itchi: did you visit FOSDEM too? |
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| 23:38.30 | Ldrn | hello :) |
| 23:38.36 | tarzeau | streuner: have you? |
| 23:38.37 | itchi | streuner: Yeah :-0 |
| 23:38.38 | selim | no one who knows vhcs or proftpd |
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| 23:38.47 | streuner | tarzeau: no |
| 23:38.53 | itchi | streuner: I have my lovely Debian t-shirt now :-p |
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| 23:39.05 | itchi | 2 |
| 23:39.12 | itchi | The black and the grey :-0 |
| 23:39.19 | streuner | itchi: show us |
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| 23:39.30 | stew | selim: is proftpd running from inetd or standalone? |
| 23:39.37 | itchi | streuner: wait, gona take a shoot |
| 23:39.39 | selim | stew: standalone |
| 23:39.52 | stew | selim: and its answering connections, just not letting anyone login? |
| 23:39.53 | Muisje | itchi: You and fosdem... :p the last 10 messages i read of you contained "FOSDEM" ... ;) |
| 23:40.08 | selim | stew: for some reason I get a disconnect every time I try to establish a connection |
| 23:40.25 | Ldrn | I am using Debian Sarge with a 2.6.19.2 kernel. I am trying to remove (as root) a file with the following permissions: "-rw-r--r-- 1 root staff" in /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype (a ttf file). But but I get an error rm: cannot remove : Operation not permitted |
| 23:40.26 | selim | stew: Error:Disconnected from server |
| 23:40.33 | selim | stew: this is the error I get |
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| 23:40.42 | Ldrn | this happens after a reboot where I had had disk inconsistencies and I had to do a fsck |
| 23:40.52 | selim | stew: and I get no hint in my xferlog |
| 23:40.58 | selim | stew: why |
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| 23:41.41 | stew | selim: how is it setup to authenticate? with pam? with something else like mysql? |
| 23:41.50 | selim | stew: mysql |
| 23:41.52 | Ldrn | now, when I boot there is no message complaining about hard disk problems (file system "clean") , but still, I can't remove or rename that file (others in the same directory with the same permissions I can remove or rename) |
| 23:42.27 | stew | selim: turn on mysql logging and see if you see proftpd making a connection |
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| 23:43.11 | Ldrn | I remember seing messages about this file when fsck was running, but I thought fsck had "repaired" it |
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| 23:44.27 | itchi | stew: wait he |
| 23:44.32 | selim | stew: doesn't seem so |
| 23:44.40 | Muisje | I'm out, night all |
| 23:46.00 | jdavis_ | for a SATA disk, do I use sdparm or hdparm? |
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| 23:47.08 | selim | stew: any idea what could prevent sql requests? Is there a need for some mysql auth files or something else? |
| 23:47.45 | stew | selim: can you try to login with the credentials that proftpd has? |
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| 23:47.54 | selim | stew: http://rafb.net/p/mk742T24.html |
| 23:48.01 | stew | selim: mysql -u username -h hostname -p databasename |
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| 23:49.23 | selim | stew: I don't see any user and pw in the proftpd.conf |
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| 23:51.02 | itchi | stew: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fosdem_2007/DSCN1473.JPG and http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/fosdem_2007/DSCN1474.JPG |
| 23:51.17 | itchi | stew: ow wait, permissions ... |
| 23:52.00 | itchi | stew: It's ok now |
| 23:52.20 | itchi | stew: i'm kinda tired right now :-p |
| 23:52.31 | Ldrn | somebody has a clue as to how to delete a file that thefilesystem doesn't allow me to delete despite being root ? |
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| 23:53.42 | Thomas___ | I am currently creating my partitions for installing debian, the / partition must be primary ? |
| 23:53.46 | itchi | stew: May it's more clear all these t-shirt on the wall |
| 23:53.53 | itchi | maybe* |
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| 23:54.52 | Thomas___ | please! |
| 23:55.22 | martiancode | itchi: hehe nice T-shirt but.. why are you looking sleepy ! |
| 23:56.06 | selim | stew:? |
| 23:56.06 | itchi | martiancode: I'm out of order, i'm up sinds 7:00 this morning, it was a long day, you know ;-) |
| 23:57.00 | itchi | martiancode: The pic is took some minutes ago. I want my bed! haha |
| 23:57.33 | martiancode | itchi: haha i thought it was at FOSDEM !, no wonder you look that sleepy :d |
| 23:57.40 | itchi | martiancode: Whem i'm tired, you see it clearly :-s |
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| 23:57.53 | itchi | martiancode: Not the last 2 pics |
| 23:58.03 | Thomas___ | I am currently creating my partitions for installing debian, the / partition must be primary ? |
| 23:58.34 | Caelum | debian doesn't care what's primary or secondary |
| 23:59.11 | martiancode | itchi: i like the one with redeyes better :d |
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| 23:59.27 | Thomas___ | Caelum /boot can be logical ? :o |
| 23:59.27 | itchi | hehe |
| 23:59.39 | itchi | martiancode: It's a self shoot, not so easy :-s |
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| 23:59.53 | itchi | martiancode: I reversed the camera and cheeese |
