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| 00:00.04 | Guerin | Azar: what cpu? |
| 00:00.09 | infernix | Guerin: what's the data you need? |
| 00:00.12 | Azar | Guerin: amd all the way |
| 00:00.23 | Azar | amd athlon xp I think |
| 00:00.38 | Guerin | hang on |
| 00:00.38 | concept10 | Guerin, I have a dual p3 533 |
| 00:01.01 | stew | Guerin: i have a p133 |
| 00:01.02 | bzed | h3sp4wn: http://iphitus.loudas.com/beyond.html looks nice, though |
| 00:01.05 | Guerin | ok |
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| 00:01.16 | stew | put i'll pretty much guarantee that it is not 2.2 |
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| 00:01.32 | Guerin | stew: definitely not; the spec was issued in december 98 |
| 00:01.33 | desolator | anyone in here is experienced in Kpotatoes? |
| 00:01.34 | bzed | Guerin: I have a dual PII |
| 00:01.54 | bzed | Guerin: and I can find a lot fo stuff between P and Piv if you really need it |
| 00:02.04 | Guerin | if you could check any newer than end 1998, and email the output of dmesg |grep pci to lewis at feayn.org |
| 00:02.09 | Guerin | that would be choice |
| 00:02.11 | Enquest | sohmestra, are you any good with Django... I'm not sure if my problem is related to django or Debian |
| 00:02.13 | bzed | desolator: just ask |
| 00:02.25 | desolator | I have a problem submitting a recipe in Kpotatoes |
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| 00:02.35 | Guerin | as I said, I know when the spec changed, but I need to be able to pinpoint when the change was actually implemented |
| 00:02.37 | bzed | Guerin: up to which cpu? |
| 00:02.45 | desolator | it just closes the recipe window |
| 00:02.45 | Guerin | bzed: up to about 2002 or so |
| 00:03.04 | concept10 | bzed, ah... lmms is nice, thanks for the recomendation |
| 00:03.05 | Guerin | well |
| 00:03.10 | Guerin | 2001 maybe |
| 00:03.20 | bzed | concept10: you're welcome |
| 00:03.53 | bzed | Guerin: I'll try to find some at work. my boxes here are older than 98, except the too new ones.. |
| 00:03.54 | concept10 | bzed, I know one thing. This QT based music apps are starting to steer me towards KDE |
| 00:03.56 | infernix | Guerin: PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 <-- looking for this? i don't see any other useful output in a dmesg | grep pci |
| 00:04.02 | Azar | Guerin: that'd be just about when winXP came out |
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| 00:04.31 | Guerin | infernix: yes, that's what I'm looking for. It should be in dmesg, but dmesg often gets full of with other shit if it's been on a while |
| 00:04.35 | Azar | I have one like that amd too but runs on winXP for my mom's office |
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| 00:04.39 | bzed | concept10: actually I prefer KDE times over gnome |
| 00:04.43 | loca|host | udev has named my 3rd network interface 'eth2_rename', i've edited /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and renamed 'eth2_renamed' to 'eth2', and now how to get my interface renamed without rebooting the system ? |
| 00:04.50 | infernix | Guerin: ok lemme query some boxen |
| 00:04.53 | Guerin | cheers |
| 00:04.59 | Guerin | Azar: yeah, about then |
| 00:05.02 | bzed | loca|host: use nameif |
| 00:05.10 | stew | loca|host: ip link set name eth2 dev eth2_rename |
| 00:05.32 | concept10 | I tried to ask GNOME guys the best way to make custom widgets in my app and you know what they did? Try to steer me away from doing that instead of steering me towards a resource. I hate the fucking GNOME simple attitude |
| 00:05.52 | desolator | can someoene help me with Kpotatoes? |
| 00:06.01 | Zaggynl | It |
| 00:06.01 | bzed | desolator: again, jsut ask :) |
| 00:06.08 | concept10 | mean while KDE music apps have all types of custom widgets |
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| 00:06.14 | desolator | anyone has any experience with kpotatoes? |
| 00:06.15 | bzed | desolator: aah sorry, didn't see it |
| 00:06.24 | infernix | Guerin: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name"; dmidecode | grep Release; cat /var/log/dmesg | grep -i pci.*rev - that'd be all you need? |
| 00:06.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:06.40 | Guerin | yeah, cool |
| 00:06.44 | Zaggynl | It's a bit of a problem, trying to make something easy and functional, but also plenty of features and settings |
| 00:06.47 | desolator | I tried googling kpotatoes but it doesnt just throws up any website related with kpotatoes |
| 00:07.02 | bzed | desolator: hmm. I don't even know that problem |
| 00:07.05 | bzed | *program |
| 00:07.14 | bzed | do you mean ktuberling ? |
| 00:07.50 | Guerin | ktarded-name-competiton |
| 00:07.54 | Guerin | oops |
| 00:07.57 | Guerin | kompetition |
| 00:08.31 | jelly-home | bzed: ktuberling is definitely not it |
| 00:09.05 | bzed | jelly-home: that's the only poptato related thing I know in kde ;) there's no kpotatoes-related apcakge, and google just finds nothing |
| 00:09.32 | concept10 | I just figured out that the only thing that bothered me about KDE is the default icons (the crystal set - they are KHorrible) |
| 00:09.43 | jelly-home | lesse if apt-file can dig something up ;-) |
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| 00:10.41 | infernix | Guerin: not all /var/log/dmesg seem to contain a pci revision line |
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| 00:10.58 | infernix | Guerin: boxes past 2005 at least |
| 00:11.07 | Guerin | infernix: as I said, it often gets bumped by other stuff |
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| 00:11.29 | infernix | Guerin: other ways to find it? lspci perhaps |
| 00:11.43 | jelly-home | infernix, Guerin: it probably depends on which PCI CONFIG_PCI_* method is used |
| 00:12.06 | jelly-home | infernix, Guerin: bet only CONFIG_PCI_BIOS displays that line |
| 00:12.09 | Guerin | jelly-home: grr. |
| 00:12.18 | Guerin | infernix: i'm not aware of another way. |
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| 00:12.28 | infernix | np, got quite a few alreadyt |
| 00:13.15 | jelly-home | Guerin: rebooting with pci=bios would work if my guess is correct |
| 00:13.19 | bzed | concept10: there's a lot of other stuff to replace those icons... there's even a nice decorator using beryl for kde ;) |
| 00:13.31 | Guerin | jelly-home: yeh, that might be going just a wee bit too far ;) |
| 00:13.53 | jelly-home | Guerin: I'll try to see if dmidecode or lshw or something like that can show it |
| 00:13.56 | concept10 | bzed, Im going to install it later, I guess its that time of year to contemplate desktops |
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| 00:15.07 | bzed | concept10: there's a debian howto in the beryl wiki, worked well for me, you need the nvidia drivers form unstable, though - if you have an nvidia card |
| 00:15.18 | rosminet | hi there |
| 00:15.19 | subopt | I just installed Etch on an old workstation, and added 1 GB of RAM. Now i can't see the added memory |
| 00:16.00 | stew | subopt: what oes "uname -r" say? |
| 00:16.28 | subopt | stew: 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 00:17.08 | stew | subopt: what about "grep CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 00:17.37 | subopt | stew: # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set |
| 00:17.45 | stew | subopt: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:17.55 | subopt | stew: Athlon 2200 |
| 00:18.12 | stew | subopt: aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 00:18.29 | subopt | stew: thanks, i'll try 'er. |
| 00:18.35 | stew | subopt: (then reboot) |
| 00:18.46 | subopt | stew: 'natch |
| 00:20.31 | infernix | Guerin: sent |
| 00:20.36 | DaveyB | Does anyone know how I can hook up my evoution email client to OWA remotely |
| 00:20.43 | Guerin | infernix: thanks mate |
| 00:20.45 | abrotman | you can't ? |
| 00:20.46 | Guerin | !beer infernix |
| 00:21.22 | abrotman | DaveyB: OWA is a browser app .. how would you like evolution to use it ? |
| 00:21.30 | concept10 | where the hell did stoned go |
| 00:21.40 | DaveyB | abrotman, to download my emails of it :D |
| 00:21.55 | mfrisch | concept10: should be moving to texas |
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| 00:22.02 | abrotman | DaveyB: i understand what you want to do .. but how do you expect evo to do it ? |
| 00:22.40 | DaveyB | abrotman, the same way it does hotmail :-) |
| 00:22.40 | concept10 | infernix, do you make music? |
| 00:22.52 | abrotman | DaveyB: haha .. that's not what it does |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | DaveyB: do you have pop3 or imap access ? |
| 00:23.27 | infernix | concept10: sometimes. i've made one track 4 years ago, and made some mixes recently. but its my friends who are the real musicians, not me. http://infernix.net/music/ |
| 00:23.40 | DaveyB | abrotman, How would I find out? |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | DaveyB: ask your system admin ? |
| 00:23.51 | infernix | concept10: rather, http://infernix.net/pvt/music/ |
| 00:24.27 | DaveyB | abrotman, I did and he gave me the instructions to set it up locally grrrr :D |
| 00:24.56 | abrotman | DaveyB: did you call him names and demand he be fired ? |
| 00:25.01 | Guerin | infernix: this confirms other information I've come by which suggests that most gear stabilised on 2.1 before moving to 2.3 or (mostly) 3.0 a coupld years ago |
| 00:25.15 | Guerin | which means that basically I'm fux0red |
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| 00:25.49 | desolator | hi |
| 00:25.56 | desolator | anyone knows how to use Kpotatoes? |
| 00:26.08 | DaveyB | abrotman, I will do that tomorrow. |
| 00:26.09 | bzed | desolator: seemss nobody here ver heard of it |
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| 00:26.17 | desolator | wow :( |
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| 00:26.26 | bzed | desolator: and it's not a debian package |
| 00:26.38 | abrotman | DaveyB: there is also the evo-exchange connector |
| 00:26.44 | desolator | weird |
| 00:26.51 | bzed | desolator: where do you have it from? |
| 00:26.59 | desolator | no idea |
| 00:27.04 | desolator | its like a recipe list |
| 00:27.13 | desolator | but every time I tried to make a new recipe it crashes |
| 00:27.18 | DaveyB | abrotman, What does that do? |
| 00:27.19 | bzed | krecipes |
| 00:27.20 | bzed | ? |
| 00:27.23 | desolator | no |
| 00:27.24 | desolator | kpotatoes |
| 00:27.29 | abrotman | DaveyB: works like outlook (regular) |
| 00:27.32 | concept10 | infernix, thats nice. made with cubase? |
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| 00:27.41 | jelly-home | desolator: what does dpkg -S `whick kpotatoes` say? |
| 00:27.52 | DaveyB | abrotman, ahh ok |
| 00:27.53 | jelly-home | desolator: sorry, "which" |
| 00:27.53 | bzed | jelly-home: *which |
| 00:28.10 | desolator | to be honest, this is the third time I try debian |
| 00:28.13 | DaveyB | abrotman, thank you for your help. Once I find out if it uses imap or pop3 what should I do? |
| 00:28.22 | abrotman | setup evo to use it that way :) |
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| 00:28.53 | bzed | desolator: become root and do this: apt-get install krecipes krecipes-data krecipes-doc |
| 00:28.56 | DaveyB | I know the server address's everything. Can I tell from that? |
| 00:29.02 | jelly-home | desolator: first we need to find out where your potatoes come from, then we can point you to a better place to inquire. |
| 00:29.08 | Guerin | hm, yet more conflicting information: it seems it SOMETIMES works in 2.1 pci |
| 00:29.12 | desolator | I dont know why |
| 00:29.17 | desolator | but it looks like a virus |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | DaveyB: you can nmap it |
| 00:29.29 | desolator | is there any antivirus software for linux? |
| 00:29.32 | bzed | desolator: at least this will work for testing/etch and will give you a nice recipe manager |
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| 00:30.09 | bzed | desolator: I don;t know any actual virus for linux, but >> apt-get install clamav <<will give you a good one |
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| 00:30.11 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 00:30.23 | DaveyB | abrotman, thank you, I will look into it |
| 00:30.46 | infernix | concept10: yeah, and reason at the time. it' d be totally different now, we work with very different VSTs nowadays |
| 00:30.54 | stoned | there was an outage in our area so lost the net |
| 00:30.58 | stoned | concept10: you still here |
| 00:31.05 | concept10 | stoned, yep |
| 00:31.09 | dvs | stoned: then move! |
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| 00:31.38 | concept10 | infernix, yeah, VSTs combined with powerful CPUs and cheap storage makes making music today great |
| 00:31.40 | stoned | concept10: did you get that new thing I recorded |
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| 00:31.49 | infernix | concept10: thing is, i'm not nearly as musical and creative as my friends, so while i enjoy playing around, there's rarely a time where I feel like working on a project myself, let alone finish one |
| 00:31.51 | concept10 | stoned, the site was down |
| 00:32.02 | jelly-home | bzed: I have a feeling someone was pulling our potatoes |
| 00:32.21 | concept10 | stoned, is it back up? |
| 00:32.21 | infernix | concept10: mixes are fun tho, although its not hard with ableton |
| 00:32.31 | stoned | yes |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | again! |
| 00:32.57 | concept10 | stoned, will you upload some of my stuff to there so others can hear? |
| 00:33.07 | concept10 | btw, im downloading now |
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| 00:34.23 | bzed | jelly-home: yeah, I think so, too |
| 00:34.26 | infernix | concept10: besides, if you listen to what my friends make, there's not much point in me trying to compete. check out some samples at http://flamingorecordings.com/ |
| 00:34.36 | jelly-home | bzed: we've been fried! |
| 00:34.48 | bzed | jelly-home: fried eggs :\ |
| 00:35.17 | concept10 | stoned, sounds much better! |
| 00:36.01 | jelly-home | bzed: I now just have to create a KDE app called kpotatoes to hide my blunder |
| 00:36.11 | bzed | haha |
| 00:36.23 | bzed | jelly: although krecipes doesn;t look bad at all |
| 00:36.34 | bzed | jelly: too bad there's no german dataset for it |
| 00:37.17 | jelly-home | bzed: A khronical shortage of kraut krecipes? |
| 00:37.38 | dkr | jelly-home: don't be a sour kraut |
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| 00:38.35 | jelly-home | dkr: I kouldn't kelp myself |
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| 00:38.57 | bzed | jelly-home: nah, just a geek who likes to cook :P your krautwurst |
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| 00:39.05 | bzed | s/your/you |
| 00:39.43 | jelly-home | bzed: your true intentions have shown in that typo! |
| 00:40.24 | stoned | concept10: sure |
| 00:40.36 | stoned | concept10: you can tell the sound is better huh |
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| 00:41.01 | stoned | concept10: the thing is, now I to finalize what scales/modes I'll be using over that rythem and I'm gonna do a whole song |
| 00:41.10 | stoned | this time i'm actually gonna do a whole one |
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| 00:41.34 | stoned | concept10: send your stuff and i'll put it up |
| 00:41.47 | bzed | jelly-home: nah, I'm not the wurst guy. |
| 00:41.57 | bzed | !boobs |
| 00:41.57 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
| 00:42.38 | stoned | I'm also trying to learn gimp. Right now I'm workin gon my website graphics. http://stoned.is.dreaming.org I just kinda finished the header and the buttons. I could use better buttons on the menu. Anyway, what do you think? |
| 00:43.18 | concept10 | stoned, i mean the the recording and the clarity of the guitar is better. Im not sure what you added with Audacity |
| 00:43.27 | stoned | concept10: nothing! |
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| 00:43.58 | dkr | stoned: black text on dark blue bg is a bit difficult to read |
| 00:44.21 | dkr | but the bg graphics look cool. |
| 00:44.55 | stoned | concept10: I turned the bass to 25%, mid to 15%, high to to 45%, pre gain to 65% and post gain is just the volume level, adjusted it until there was no clipping. I notice the higher the pre gain, the more the clipping |
| 00:45.14 | stoned | dkr: colors I can change, I'm just trying to get decent looking graphics first |
| 00:45.16 | bzed | stoned: just a general suggestion: gimp from experimental kicks ass, they've added TONS of goodies |
| 00:45.41 | bzed | sometimes a bit buggy, though |
| 00:45.48 | bzed | but usually just working well |
| 00:45.56 | stoned | well if it bugs out in themiddle of something then thats not bad |
| 00:46.59 | bzed | stoned: I've removed the dust from the print size versions of my photos: http://bzed.deviantart.com/gallery/ |
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| 00:47.09 | scott_ | which architecture do you use for dual-core xeons? |
| 00:47.23 | nevyn | depends what sort of xeon ;) |
| 00:47.25 | concept10 | stoned, do you have those files I sent you before? |
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| 00:47.30 | nevyn | probably 686 |
| 00:47.30 | stoned | concept10: no clue |
| 00:47.44 | scott_ | nevyn, xeon 3000 sereies |
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| 00:47.58 | nevyn | scott_: 686 |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | scott_: you mean the debian isntaller ? |
| 00:48.11 | bzed | stoned: the medium format shots were scanned on a flextight 949 with 3000 dpi or something around that, the files are _hug_ and it just worked well |
| 00:48.14 | scott_ | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:48.22 | abrotman | scott_: 64bit or 32bit ? |
| 00:48.27 | jelly-home | scott_: if you need x86_64, use it. If you don't, i386 might still be slightly more stable. |
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| 00:48.50 | Garda | anybody here have a bcm43xx wifi device? |
| 00:49.13 | stew | Garda: just assume someone does |
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| 00:49.19 | scott_ | abrotman: I don't know, any reason to choose 64bit over 32? It doesn't have a ton of ram |
| 00:49.20 | concept10 | stoned, thanks.. put those up |
| 00:49.23 | abrotman | Garda: i do |
| 00:49.30 | stoned | ok |
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| 00:49.34 | Garda | ok, so i used fwcutter to get the firmware like i was supposed to |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | scott_: depends on the workload i suppose |
| 00:49.47 | Garda | and put it in /lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 00:49.49 | scott_ | will 64bit give beter performance? |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | scott_: though if you have to ask .. probably not much point eh ? :) |
| 00:49.57 | abrotman | scott_: for some tasks |
| 00:49.57 | Garda | and modprobe bcm43xx |
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| 00:50.01 | stew | Garda: use /lib/firmware |
| 00:50.10 | Garda | well it's there as well |
| 00:50.13 | scott_ | abrotman: webserveringish stuff? |
| 00:50.26 | pickcoder | scott_: not really |
| 00:50.28 | Garda | i just copied it to that directory, so the firmware is in both places |
| 00:50.34 | Garda | anyway, it still doesn't work |
| 00:50.35 | stoned | concept10: I use irssi, I have no idea where the files went |
| 00:50.35 | abrotman | scott_: it's possible .. but not likely |
| 00:50.36 | stoned | heh |
| 00:50.42 | Garda | ifconfig -a doesn't list it |
| 00:50.44 | pickcoder | I have a 5000 series dual-core and I couldn't get both cores to show up with the 686 smp |
| 00:51.04 | stew | Garda: unload and reload the module and check dmesg for errors |
| 00:51.23 | concept10 | stoned, check home |
| 00:51.24 | Garda | what's the command to unload a module |
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| 00:51.29 | stoned | i can't find it man |
| 00:51.29 | dmarkey_ | rmmod |
| 00:51.31 | stew | Garda: modprobe -r modulename |
| 00:51.32 | scott_ | ia64 = 686? |
| 00:51.34 | abrotman | no |
| 00:51.39 | burd_stu | off hand would anyone know what it takes to make the CA. scripts for freeradius in etch create the ./demoCA/serial file when they are run, I've tried several official versions of the script and they are all doing the same thing |
| 00:51.41 | abrotman | scott_: either i386 or amd64 |
| 00:51.43 | Garda | ok, thanks |
| 00:51.45 | stoned | i search filename |
| 00:51.46 | stoned | hold on |
| 00:51.57 | concept10 | stoned, using locate? |
| 00:52.23 | stoned | just two files |
| 00:52.26 | stoned | I found em |
| 00:52.51 | pickcoder | scott_: you'll have less issues with 32-bit applications if you can get the 686 smp kernel to work |
| 00:53.21 | pickcoder | having said that I have an old 32-bit program running using the ia32-libs package |
| 00:53.36 | stew | stoned: no ia64 is itanium, 686 any 32 bit intel pentium pro or later |
| 00:53.56 | abrotman | stew: misfire |
| 00:53.56 | concept10 | stoned, thanks. I want infernix to take a listen |
| 00:53.58 | stoned | concept10: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/concept10 |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | i think |
| 00:54.06 | stoned | stew: thanks |
| 00:54.10 | stoned | =D |
| 00:54.13 | stew | :) |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | welcome to #music! |
| 00:54.14 | infernix | concept10: url? |
| 00:54.16 | concept10 | infernix, check those two songs I made |
| 00:54.30 | infernix | ah |
| 00:55.06 | stoned | concept10: for sentdtostoned.mp3 can you give me the chords you're using and the progressions? |
| 00:55.18 | stoned | concept10: I would love to shred that beat man :) |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | try #music or /msg! |
| 00:55.47 | concept10 | abrotman, ok, np |
| 00:55.50 | stew | or #demudi ! :) |
| 00:56.06 | concept10 | stoned, ##recording for music talks |
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| 00:57.01 | concept10 | infernix, hey could you join ##recording? I would appreciate your opinion |
| 00:57.15 | Dewi | burd_stu: /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl can make a CA pretty well |
| 00:57.34 | rahul | hmm, Send to Stoned. that's a good song name |
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| 00:57.36 | rahul | heh. |
| 00:57.43 | Dewi | burd_stu: the only thing it's missing is specifying $DAYS in the sign/signreq section |
| 00:57.53 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:57.59 | Dewi | burd_stu: however you might want to consider just using CACert.org as a CA |
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| 00:58.36 | burd_stu | Dewi, this is just a test server right now, it's for using radius with wpa + 802.1x on an access point |
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| 00:59.04 | Dewi | burd_stu: if you're just testing, make a self-signed cert, you don't need a CA |
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| 00:59.33 | burd_stu | Dewi, thats what the script that comes in the doc/freeradius/ dir is supposed to do |
| 00:59.39 | Dewi | burd_stu: CA only necessary if you want to auth many things against the one root point of trust |
| 00:59.52 | Dewi | burd_stu: aah. I don't know anything about freeradius |
| 00:59.58 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 01:00.13 | burd_stu | Dewi, it's huge I never knew this hehe |
| 01:00.27 | Wolfcastle | I have a problem with my virtual midi device, I have connected it to the timidity server with aconnect but I don't get any sound playing a midi file with pmidi |
| 01:00.43 | burd_stu | Dewi, I just started messing with it yesterday so I still have a LOT of reading and undertsnading ahead of me myself |
| 01:01.54 | Garda_ | ok, the is the new output from dmesg when i unload and load the driver |
| 01:01.55 | Garda_ | http://pastebin.ca/366972 |
| 01:03.23 | bzed | that says nothign about any found devices |
| 01:04.15 | bzed | are you sure that your card works with that driver? |
| 01:04.23 | stew | Garda_: no errors there at least. the card doesn't show up in either "iwconfig" or "ifconfig -a"? |
| 01:05.27 | Garda_ | the output from ifconfig -a |
| 01:05.29 | Garda_ | http://pastebin.ca/366975 |
| 01:05.44 | concept10 | stoned, listen to that song |
| 01:05.48 | bzed | and iwconfig -a? |
| 01:05.57 | bzed | Garda_: ^^ |
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| 01:06.12 | bzed | err |
| 01:06.13 | bzed | without -a |
| 01:06.17 | bzed | just iwconfig |
| 01:06.18 | Garda_ | ok, havent done that |
| 01:06.23 | Garda_ | 1 moment |
| 01:07.24 | corpcomp | what is the name of the ap that syns your system clock with the outside world so your date/time is always correct? |
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| 01:07.34 | bzed | ntpdate or ntpd |
| 01:07.41 | corpcomp | ty |
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| 01:08.07 | bzed | corpcomp: ntpdate just runs at boot, ntp keeps runnign and has an eye on your computer's clock |
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| 01:08.31 | bzed | ntp and ntpdate are the packagenames |
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| 01:08.58 | karsten | corpcomp: Might also look at chrony |
| 01:09.03 | karsten | !chrony |
| 01:09.03 | dpkg | i guess chrony is a ntp program that is split into 2 parts: a daemon (chronyd) and a client that interfaces into the server (chronyc). For more information visit: http://chrony.sunsite.dk/. Warning, you most likely will have to change your chrony.conf file after installing by adding some servers and removing the offline tag. |
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| 01:09.24 | Paddy_EIRE | how would I install this |
| 01:09.26 | Paddy_EIRE | boinc_5.8.11_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh |
| 01:09.53 | Guerin | Paddy_EIRE: follow the instructions |
| 01:09.54 | karsten | corpcomp: Difference being: ntpdate just slams the local clock to the correct time as determined from the NTP server. ntpdate slews time very gradually, and is best suited to servers. chrony's sort of in-between the two. |
| 01:10.03 | Guerin | Paddy_EIRE: if it doesn't come with instructions, don't install it |
| 01:10.05 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Read the installation instructions. That's not a Debian package. |
| 01:10.11 | Paddy_EIRE | Guerin: you dont say, well what am i doin here??? |
| 01:10.17 | Guerin | Paddy_EIRE: wasting our time? |
| 01:10.27 | bzed | Paddy_EIRE: boinc as in that distributed computing client thing? |
| 01:10.36 | Paddy_EIRE | yep |
| 01:10.48 | bzed | Paddy_EIRE: apt-get install boinc-client |
| 01:10.51 | bzed | do that instead |
| 01:10.55 | Paddy_EIRE | thx |
| 01:11.00 | bzed | boinc-app-seti |
| 01:11.04 | bzed | install that, too |
| 01:11.09 | rahul | haha |
| 01:11.11 | bzed | if you want to think about aliens |
| 01:11.22 | rahul | people always go about the hardest possible way to achieve something |
| 01:11.29 | bzed | indeed |
| 01:11.35 | grundall | i was able to read a webpage online. but after downloading it, when I try to read it, i only get the source code. it is a .xml file. how to read it as a webpage offline? |
| 01:11.43 | rahul | I guess it has to do with that old mistaken philosophy that effort = success |
| 01:11.45 | bzed | Paddy_EIRE: did you see the seti package name up there? there's also boinc-manager |
| 01:11.55 | Paddy_EIRE | rahul: well the LUG group could have mentioned that apt was an option |
| 01:12.13 | rahul | if you tried to look, you would know |
| 01:12.15 | bzed | !tell Paddy_EIRE about apt-cache |
| 01:12.17 | Azar | LUG? what is that? |
| 01:12.23 | bzed | linux user group |
| 01:12.31 | Paddy_EIRE | linux user group |
| 01:12.31 | Azar | ahhh |
| 01:12.52 | Azar | maybe they never heard about debian's package manager |
| 01:13.04 | rahul | they're probably all redhat users |
| 01:13.09 | Paddy_EIRE | yeah |
| 01:13.10 | Paddy_EIRE | lol |
| 01:13.14 | Azar | :) |
| 01:13.16 | bzed | or suxxe |
| 01:13.28 | Azar | stick with the Debian forums/groups if you use Debian |
| 01:13.35 | Paddy_EIRE | k |
| 01:13.37 | Paddy_EIRE | thx |
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| 01:14.54 | Garda | hey guys |
| 01:14.56 | Garda | http://pastebin.ca/366982 |
| 01:15.01 | Garda | output from iwconfig |
| 01:15.09 | Azar | good god, kernel 2.6.18 in etch is done |
| 01:15.28 | bzed | Garda: what's the output of lspci -v? enough if you paste the part for the card... |
| 01:15.56 | Paddy_EIRE | y |
| 01:16.00 | Paddy_EIRE | oops |
| 01:16.12 | Azar | abrotman what is the debian channel that takes care of kernel development, I want to give my thanks |
| 01:16.33 | corpcomp | I have ntp-server going but my clock is out by 1 hour, it is showing NZDT. How can I change this? |
| 01:16.33 | abrotman | Azar: #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net .. but i don't think they'll care about your woody kernel :) |
| 01:16.51 | Azar | abrotman: .... Im not using woody :) |
| 01:16.57 | abrotman | what are you using ? |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | potato ? |
| 01:17.07 | dvs | bo? |
| 01:17.08 | Garda | http://pastebin.ca/366988 |
| 01:17.08 | Azar | Sarge on this one and Etch on the old machine |
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| 01:17.45 | Garda | bzed: what's the -v switch do |
| 01:17.47 | Azar | I upgraded to Etch just for kicks back in September 2006 with a 2.6.17 kernel |
| 01:17.54 | bzed | Garda: verbose |
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| 01:21.24 | abrotman | Azar: maybe you should upgrade your kernel to the one that is in etch |
| 01:21.33 | Azar | not to worry when I get my hands on an Etch installer I will be here bitching all day long |
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| 01:21.58 | Azar | abrotman: that what I am preparing to do now, hooking the old PC so I can do kernel upgrade |
| 01:22.06 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:26.21 | weasel00 | how do i reconfigure the mail support on sarge? |
| 01:26.58 | stew | weasel00: what does "dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail" return? |
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| 01:37.06 | MatBoy | offtopic question... is Fork(ing) really a known word these days in the IT, or is it just to say... it's a second version of the original and nothing more |
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| 01:37.46 | Guerin | MatBoy: wtf? |
| 01:38.03 | MatBoy | Guerin, you know a Fork of a program |
| 01:38.15 | dkr | MatBoy: probbaly more known in open source circles than general IT folks |
| 01:38.19 | Ferret | MatBoy: man fork :) |
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| 01:38.23 | Guerin | MatBoy: i know what you mean, just not what you're asking |
| 01:38.45 | MatBoy | Guerin, how known that word is... I think dkr is quite right |
| 01:38.53 | rahul | "open source"? |
| 01:38.59 | Guerin | MatBoy: it's a piece of specialist terminology. Those people who ened to know it do, those who don't probably don't. |
| 01:39.01 | Ferret | Yeah, it's a POSIX api call, so only posix-y things know what it is |
| 01:39.10 | Garda | http://pastebin.ca/367011 |
| 01:39.10 | rahul | it originates from before open source. |
| 01:39.22 | Garda | my lspci -v output |
| 01:39.36 | MatBoy | Guerin, ok. But a Linux user will know it I think |
| 01:39.51 | Guerin | even before free software, which as we know is the parent of that ungrateful child, Open Source |
| 01:40.00 | Guerin | MatBoy: a user? Unlikely. |
| 01:40.19 | rahul | MatBoy: fork() is a unix syscall |
| 01:40.20 | MatBoy | Guerin, let's poll it :P |
| 01:40.29 | MatBoy | rahul, sharp ! |
| 01:40.29 | Guerin | MatBoy: anywhere but here. |
| 01:40.47 | rahul | people who deal with unix syscalls would know it |
| 01:41.05 | rahul | such people are commonly referred to as unix programmers. |
| 01:41.18 | abrotman | eh .. any systems programmer .. unix/linux/windows or wahtever |
| 01:41.25 | Guerin | a more generic term with similar meaning might be `divergence' |
| 01:41.44 | Guerin | but it doesn't translate so well into an active verb as fork |
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| 01:42.15 | dkr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software_development%29 |
| 01:45.31 | rahul | Guerin: er, that's not the kind of fork he's talking about |
| 01:45.33 | rahul | or is it? |
| 01:45.54 | Guerin | rahul: i thought it was. |
| 01:45.59 | rahul | heh. |
| 01:46.35 | Guerin | but since he didn't specify, i feel free to interpret it in any way i like ;) |
| 01:46.36 | rahul | well, IT people in the airline industry would know about forking codebases, too |
| 01:46.39 | rahul | heh |
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| 01:51.25 | Pupeno2 | !u |
| 01:51.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:51.25 | Dewi | Guerin: did you just use 'free software' to mean 'freeware'? |
| 01:51.44 | Dewi | Guerin: because you can't really have 'free software' as most people know it, happening before 'open source' |
| 01:51.53 | jelly-home | Dewi: you can |
| 01:51.58 | dvs | oh boy here we go |
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| 01:52.23 | Dewi | It's not that contentious is it? |
| 01:52.36 | dvs | can be |
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| 01:52.41 | Dewi | How can the software be freely distributed, ported and modified without source? |
| 01:52.50 | rahul | Dewi: uh, free software came before open source |
| 01:52.53 | rahul | s |
| 01:52.53 | jelly-home | Dewi: well, as for the terminology, I think free software as FSF uses it came before Open Source. |
| 01:53.07 | Dewi | rahul: in the sense of what we now call "closed-source freeware"? |
| 01:53.13 | rahul | Dewi: open source was a 'fork', as it were, of the free software movement |
| 01:53.27 | rahul | Dewi: what do you mean "in the sense of"? |
| 01:53.44 | Dewi | rahul: I'm just trying to work out how an FSF style movement can exist without being able to see source |
| 01:54.01 | rahul | Dewi: who said the FSF didn't let you see source? |
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| 01:54.12 | _pHI_ | hi, do i need to have portmap running (on port 111) if i want to use nfs as a client, i.e. access nfs shares? |
| 01:54.24 | jelly-home | Dewi: the "open source" idiom wasn't really in use up until maybe 10-15 years ago |
| 01:54.37 | rahul | open source is newer than that |
| 01:54.42 | Dewi | rahul: Open Source is just... being able to see the source. MS lets you see some of their source; that's not really something that derived from FSF |
| 01:54.43 | rahul | officially |
| 01:54.44 | jelly-home | rahul: could be |
| 01:54.49 | Guerin | jelly-home: 1996 or 1998 |
| 01:54.52 | Guerin | as i recall |
| 01:54.54 | Dewi | rahul: and didn't BSD-style stuff go on long before FSF? |
| 01:54.59 | jelly-home | Guerin: that's 10 all right |
| 01:55.00 | Guerin | when was catb written? |
| 01:55.07 | rahul | Dewi: bsd wasn't part of the open source movement |
| 01:55.12 | Guerin | jelly-home: heh, true. |
| 01:55.18 | rahul | ESR started open source |
| 01:55.19 | Guerin | it's permanently 2000 for me |
| 01:55.25 | Guerin | rahul: yes. |
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| 01:55.36 | jelly-home | Guerin: yeah, and I'm still in my 20s |
| 01:55.38 | Dewi | right... but that's not how I hear the terminology used |
| 01:55.53 | rahul | Dewi: that's what those movements are. |
| 01:55.58 | Dewi | if anything "open source" is a much broader category nowadays than "free software" |
| 01:56.02 | Guerin | Dewi: most people use terminology wrong. That's RMS's whole point, and why people get pissy at him. |
| 01:56.04 | rahul | Dewi: right. it is. |
| 01:56.07 | Dewi | your hardcore GPL person won't even consider BSD to be "free" |
| 01:56.07 | stew | Dewi: esr's goal with the open source movement was to encourage software vendors to create software that was open source but not necessarily free as in beer |
| 01:56.14 | rahul | Dewi: yep. |
| 01:56.15 | Guerin | Dewi: no, that's not true. |
| 01:56.18 | Dewi | but stuff released by MS with no rights is considered "open source" |
| 01:56.19 | gravity | Dewi: That's not true |
| 01:56.30 | Dewi | Guerin: BSd isn't "guaranteed to stay free" |
| 01:56.34 | gravity | It's not copyleft, but it's Free |
| 01:56.35 | Guerin | Dewi: open source is explicitly an initiative, whereas free software describes a particular license |
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| 01:56.41 | rahul | Dewi: FSF considers GPL to be the only good license |
| 01:56.51 | Guerin | Dewi: it is guaranteed to stay free - you can't un-free code once it's freed |
| 01:56.53 | stew | software license |
| 01:57.00 | Guerin | rahul: that's not true either |
| 01:57.08 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm using stallman terminology here |
| 01:57.10 | rahul | Guerin: anything else is a compromise |
| 01:57.14 | Guerin | rahul: it considers it to be the best license in most cases, but it recognises others as good |
| 01:57.27 | gravity | Talk about an oversimplification. |
| 01:57.30 | Guerin | Dewi: open source means nothing to stallman |
| 01:57.31 | jelly-home | Dewi: but to get back to the point, free software was before open source ;-) |
| 01:57.50 | Dewi | Guerin: the difference between the GPL and the BSD is "it keeps software free". Personally I think in the age of the internet that's a load of balls, but... that's what the FSF hardcore people say |
| 01:58.02 | rahul | even the LGPL was a compromise because it doesn't make sense to have something that can be easily replaced with a proprietary equivalent be GPL'd |
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| 01:58.22 | Guerin | Dewi: no, the difference between GPL and BSD license is that the GPL is copyleft, whereas the BSD is a permissive conventional license |
| 01:58.50 | Dewi | rahul: I find the whole GPL / LGPL thing a bit hazy. I mean... all software interacts. Going on about "which kind of linking" seems dangerously non-universal |
| 01:59.31 | rahul | I'm especially curious what would happen to readline when someone writes a non-GPL version of it |
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| 01:59.35 | Dewi | rahul: once you stick a network stack on any GPL program it seems to me you have essentially won all the extra looseness of the LGPL without the original author's conssent |
| 01:59.48 | rahul | does software that uses readline suddenly lose its GPL-ness? |
| 01:59.54 | Dewi | rahul: or even pipe its input/output around! |
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| 02:00.31 | Dewi | rahul: exactly. It's all a bit... way too specific to what you consider "linking" and that could be just about anything if you hack at the operating environment enough |
| 02:00.44 | jelly-home | Dewi: and that's why you can have all sorts of embedded devices running a Linux kernel and having only those bits available as source |
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| 02:01.11 | Dewi | especially when you get into "virtualisation" and "embedded" and "distributed" domains... what the hell is "linking" there is anybody's guess |
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| 02:01.42 | Guerin | Dewi: actually, the issue isn't about linking per se - or any specific definition of it |
| 02:01.49 | Dewi | anyway... that's why I prefer BSD. Simpler. |
| 02:01.56 | rahul | linking is never mentioned in the GPL |
| 02:01.57 | weasel00 | dpkg -S /usr/bin/sendmail returns "exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 02:01.58 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/bin/sendmail returns "exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail package |
| 02:02.03 | rahul | it's "derived work" |
| 02:02.10 | Guerin | Dewi: the issue is that when you link against a library, parts of that library are embedded in the resultant binary, creating a derivative work of that library |
| 02:02.14 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:02.14 | stew | weasel00: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 02:02.15 | rahul | similar to a remix of a song |
| 02:02.23 | Dewi | Guerin: what if I use dynamic linking? |
| 02:02.33 | Dewi | Guerin: or a pipe? or a network socket? |
| 02:02.34 | rahul | Dewi: it's still derivative. |
| 02:02.45 | Dewi | rahul: so my X windows program has to be licensed the same as X-windows? |
| 02:02.48 | Guerin | derivative woprks have a lot of legal precedent behind them, so some airy definition of linking isn't required - just look at how much of libfoo ends up in bar |
| 02:02.55 | Dewi | rahul: even if it talks only via a socket? |
| 02:02.57 | rahul | Dewi: no, it has to comply with the license. |
| 02:03.00 | weasel00 | stew: Thank you!! |
| 02:03.07 | Dewi | rahul: does my web browser have to be GPL to talk to a GPL web server? |
| 02:03.17 | Dewi | rahul: working collectively they are a "derived work" |
| 02:03.28 | rahul | Dewi: no, because it follows a published standard interface protocol |
| 02:03.32 | jelly-home | Dewi: are they both distributed by you as a single product? |
| 02:03.50 | Guerin | Dewi: if your binary has no code from the gpl libfoo in it and talks via a socket, then you needn't comply with the gpl - but that's typically not the case |
| 02:03.51 | rahul | Dewi: if it's a proprietary interface, things that rely on that interface are derived works |
| 02:04.01 | Dewi | rahul: what if I take a GPL program and write a published standard interface protocol FOR it, and then sell my own closed source product that talks across it? |
| 02:04.06 | Guerin | this isn't rocket science |
| 02:04.35 | Guerin | Dewi: sure, if you can doi so without creating a derivative work |
| 02:04.36 | rahul | Dewi: if there's no other option but to use the GPL'd program, then it's derived. |
| 02:04.42 | Guerin | Dewi: plenty of people have done so |
| 02:04.53 | Dewi | rahul: anybody who uses my standard interface can |
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| 02:04.59 | Dewi | "standard" |
| 02:05.01 | Dewi | :P |
| 02:05.04 | Guza | hi |
| 02:05.06 | Guerin | Dewi: except where did YOU get it from? |
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| 02:05.11 | Guza | i have one nooby question |
| 02:05.14 | Guerin | a spec? or from the gpl original itself? |
| 02:05.24 | Guza | i inert usb stick |
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| 02:05.38 | Guza | from where i can acces to them |
| 02:05.39 | Guza | ? |
| 02:05.43 | karsten | Guza: inert usb sticks aren't much fun. |
| 02:05.45 | stew | Guza: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 02:05.50 | karsten | Guza: .... sort of like dead puppies. |
| 02:05.57 | Guza | tnx |
| 02:06.05 | rahul | I eat dead puppies. |
| 02:06.07 | jelly-home | karsten: they're not dead, they're resting |
| 02:06.20 | karsten | jelly-home: It's an ex-puppy! |
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| 02:06.32 | rahul | and they're not being eaten, they're just passing through my digestive tract |
| 02:06.37 | Ferret | Dewi: If someone does that and it's a good program, people will just write a free open version. ;) |
| 02:06.41 | helloyo | i am about to install a dual core cpu, any considerations to keep in mind? |
| 02:06.53 | karsten | jelly-home: Can I get a license for my ex-puppy? |
| 02:06.56 | Ferret | Dewi: Unless it's a *very* good, complex, worthy program, in which case people will be willing to pay for it, I guess... |
| 02:06.57 | Guza | i can't find |
| 02:06.57 | Guza | :S |
| 02:07.00 | karsten | helloyo: boot SMP. |
| 02:07.07 | Dewi | Guerin: I guess... well, look at video editing. I can set up a toolchain that pipes frames from a closed source video editor through GPL processors, to a closed source MPEG2 encoder, to an open source DVD authoring tool... lots of video processing "tools" you download are absolutely this diverse... and under the GPL I find it very hard to judge which bits are considered "derived works" |
| 02:07.19 | helloyo | karsten: so i'm going to need to reinstall? |
| 02:07.22 | Dewi | Ferret: yep, but that's the situation BSD is at already |
| 02:07.24 | jelly-home | karsten: here, have a LGPL |
| 02:07.28 | Dewi | Ferret: without all the headaches of GPL |
| 02:08.08 | karsten | helloyo: Um. No. |
| 02:08.12 | Ferret | I think the GPL relies on the majority of people being considerate. More of an idea than a legal framework to make absolutely bulletproof and prosecute under |
| 02:08.14 | Dewi | Guerin: Particularly if the author has a vested interest in "hacking" the situation to loophole their way into producing a work that is "almost derived" but getting away with it |
| 02:08.33 | helloyo | karsten: then how do i put in the boot options? |
| 02:08.39 | rahul | Dewi: your program needs to be GPL'd |
| 02:08.49 | karsten | helloyo: Just make sure you've got an SMP kernel and you enable SMP (or don't disable it). cat /proc/cpuinfo when you've booted, should see two CPUs. |
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| 02:09.11 | karsten | helloyo: At your boot prompt. Try just booting for starters. See what your CPU count is. |
| 02:09.21 | Dewi | rahul: can't adobe publish a howto and a download bundle for these tools that chain off premiere? at what point do they have to relicense Adobe Premier under the GPL? |
| 02:09.33 | helloyo | karsten: ok, thanks |
| 02:09.36 | rahul | Dewi: never |
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| 02:09.53 | karsten | Ferret: That's a tad offtopic here, but there's some reasonably significant teeth to the GPL. |
| 02:10.02 | Guerin | Dewi: such a program would be woefully inefficient, and people wouldn;t bother using it for that reason. But there's nothing preventing your from trying. |
| 02:10.10 | rahul | Dewi: premier is not derivative to the GPL'd software. the wrapper around it and the GPL'd software is. |
| 02:10.13 | Dewi | Guerin: not at all |
| 02:10.37 | Dewi | Guerin: plugin interfaces don't have to be woefully inefficient |
| 02:10.56 | Guza | can just someone tell me address to access usb-storage |
| 02:10.57 | Guza | ? |
| 02:10.58 | Guerin | Dewi: but they naturally would be. |
| 02:11.12 | Guerin | Dewi: moreso than just storing data in ram and passing it within a program |
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| 02:11.33 | Guerin | but that's an implementation issue and largely irrelevant to the licensing |
| 02:11.36 | Guza | no one? |
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| 02:12.06 | Ferret | karsten: Eh, I guess so, but unproven. My wireless router came with a copy of the GPL and the LGPL. :) *returns to idling* |
| 02:12.19 | Dewi | Guerin: and some people say that all OOP languages are slow because of leafing through virtual function tables... I don't think it has to be at all significant |
| 02:12.28 | Guerin | Ferret: one of the major strengths of the GPL is that the FSF want only one thing from violators of it: compliance., They don't want damages, they don't want copyright, they don't want publicity. Their only request when the GPL is violated is `please comply'. |
| 02:12.31 | Dewi | Guerin: with the frameserving example, it's not done with sockets. It's all in RAM |
| 02:12.53 | Guerin | Dewi: ok, it's all hypothetical and I'mn not a programmer |
| 02:12.54 | karsten | Ferret: Buy Jeremy Allison a beer sometime. |
| 02:12.55 | Guerin | ;) |
| 02:12.59 | Dewi | Guerin: you've got to enforce that somehow |
| 02:13.03 | Dewi | Guerin: or it's meaningless |
| 02:13.11 | karsten | Ferret: ... or talk to Eben Moglen. |
| 02:13.13 | Guerin | Dewi: hasn't been true so far. |
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| 02:13.44 | Guerin | aside from anything else, the foundations of the GPL are in copyright law. It's unassailable for that reason. |
| 02:13.49 | Dewi | Guerin: It has never been enforced so far, to my knowledge |
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| 02:14.11 | Guerin | (though specific cases could be vulnerable to side-channel attacks, liek `you didn't have authority to contribute this code') |
| 02:14.18 | Guerin | Dewi: it hasn't *needed* to be. |
| 02:14.40 | Guerin | Dewi: that's the point of it: it's the license which is so strong nobody persists in breaching it. |
| 02:14.42 | karsten | Dewi: Copyright law igves both legal and civil penalties. There's also moral issues and the fact that if a particular vendor is noncompliant, you can hit up other parts of the distribution chain as well. Basically: GPL violation isn't a successful, long-term, large-scale strategy. #debian-offtopic |
| 02:14.59 | Dewi | Guerin: some disagree with that - there never used to be any situations where an author demanded another (derivative) author license their own work in a particular "viral" way |
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| 02:15.17 | karsten | Dewi: Off. Topic. |
| 02:15.24 | Guerin | Dewi: most of those who disagree with that analysis (which isn't mine, it's Eben Moglen's) are ill-advised. |
| 02:15.29 | Dewi | karsten: okay okay |
| 02:15.36 | Xenguy | Dewi: respect the spirit of the GPL. Nuff said. |
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| 02:16.15 | pipeline | the spirit of the GPL? |
| 02:16.17 | pipeline | it's a license |
| 02:16.23 | pipeline | licenses are not supposed to be spirited |
| 02:16.32 | Xenguy | pipeline: it's a license constructed with intention :-) |
| 02:16.32 | karsten | pipeline: /join #debian-offtopic |
| 02:16.38 | Guerin | pipeline: perhaps it got sprinkled with gnu pee by st. iGNUcius |
| 02:16.46 | Guerin | and now has an immortal soul |
| 02:16.50 | Xenguy | Guerin: exactly ;-) |
| 02:17.03 | dvs | pipeline: it means respect the meaning not the literal interpretation |
| 02:17.20 | Xenguy | dvs: yeah - it's a *good* license |
| 02:17.43 | dvs | version 2 is |
| 02:17.57 | Xenguy | not going there ;-) |
| 02:18.01 | Guerin | 3 is an *excellent* license, not just a good one ;) |
| 02:18.03 | dvs | heh |
| 02:18.23 | Ferret | karsten: Heh, Allison says the same kind of things I do, only louder. :) |
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| 02:18.42 | pipeline | dvs: I was mocking them, as it is a laughable proposition :P |
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| 02:19.14 | dvs | O I C |
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| 02:19.46 | geo-rge | I'm trying to get an apache working which has the userdir thing so that for example I can get http://my.site/~george |
| 02:20.08 | Guerin | geo-rge: there are examples for this on httpd.apache.org |
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| 02:20.39 | geo-rge | the config for that -seems- to be in the httpd.conf already (this is of course the debian version, 1.3.34) |
| 02:20.42 | stew | there are examples for that in /etc/apache/httpd.conf, aren't there? |
| 02:21.01 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:21.21 | geo-rge | yes... but why are they not working? I guess two possibilities: |
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| 02:21.26 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.35 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.38 | Guerin | !guess |
| 02:21.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 02:21.51 | womblenz | Hi all, I'm trying to use pear to install radius on etch but the install fails when it tries to run phpize |
| 02:22.06 | geo-rge | my guesses are more educated than most :P |
| 02:22.14 | womblenz | I cannot find phpize anywhere in the php5 installation, am I doing something wrong? |
| 02:23.12 | geo-rge | so in case it turns out the second is the case... is there a script that writes out the module config? or do I just edit? |
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| 02:24.59 | womblenz | So, there's no radius libraries for PHP5? |
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| 02:25.19 | vick | what's the package name that have the tool createdisk ? |
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| 02:25.48 | abrotman | !search |
| 02:25.49 | dpkg | somebody said search was try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 02:26.22 | ecker | trying to mount ut2003 in my cdrom and im getting -- mount: block device /dev/hda is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | so waht? it's a CD |
| 02:27.29 | vick | abrotman, Thanks a lot :D |
| 02:28.01 | ecker | when i try to install it ut2003 i get mount: /dev/ is not a block device |
| 02:28.37 | vick | i want to install compiz on testing :( |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | apt-get install compiz ? |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | !compiz |
| 02:28.52 | dpkg | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 02:28.55 | weasel00 | dpkg twiki |
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| 02:29.58 | vick | compiz is in testing |
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| 02:30.05 | vick | nice! |
| 02:30.38 | mfrisch | just installed beryl talk about over functionality |
| 02:30.55 | lumination | hey. What can I do to stop fsck from complaining on boot and throwing me into a maintenance prompt after changing partitions? I can boot as normal by exiting the maintenance prompt with ^d but I don't want to have to do that every time I reboot |
| 02:31.10 | abrotman | fix the filesystem |
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| 02:31.51 | lumination | wow that's some vagueness for yer ass |
| 02:31.52 | lumination | heh |
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| 02:32.03 | abrotman | why do you think it's complaining .. it's broken . fix it |
| 02:32.06 | bzed | !lart lumination |
| 02:32.16 | vick | apt-file is really taking long |
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| 02:32.18 | vick | :( |
| 02:32.38 | bzed | vick: why not use packages.debian.org? |
| 02:34.28 | vick | bzed, i'll try that, thanks |
| 02:35.15 | vick | Search is disabled. |
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| 02:35.33 | vick | i'll just search using firefox or something in the list |
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| 02:37.20 | bzed | vick: what are you looking for? |
| 02:37.31 | bzed | vick: firefox in etch? look for iceweasel |
| 02:37.55 | cld2 | this is going to be dumb. after I do an apt-get upgrade is there a way to tell if the system needs/wants/recommends a reboot? |
| 02:38.34 | bzed | cld2: there's no need for a reboot, except you want to have your probably newly installed kernel to be running now |
| 02:38.48 | Guerin | cld2: if it wants one, you don't need to. if it recommends one, you don't really need to. If it needs one, it'll tell you. |
| 02:38.52 | bzed | cld2: there're a few very rare exceptions, though |
| 02:39.19 | bzed | that's not windows :P |
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| 02:39.30 | vick | bzed, i already have iceweasel, i just refer to it as firefox heh, i am looking for the package that have createdisk |
| 02:39.33 | Guerin | !qotd2 |
| 02:39.33 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 02:40.18 | vick | heh. |
| 02:40.20 | vick | !qotd1 |
| 02:40.21 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 02:40.25 | bzed | vick: hmm, what does it do? |
| 02:40.32 | cld2 | yeah exactly. kernel only was what I figured. and perhaps mdadm for a feature if im using it (which I am) so it will say if it needs one "reboot needed" or something to that effect. is there an exit code I can check? im trying to automated updates/upgrades for a few machines. thanks all. |
| 02:40.32 | vick | bzed, Create a virtual hd |
| 02:40.37 | sha1sum | okay so nobody knows how to update fsck's start and end sectors for filesystems? |
| 02:40.48 | bzed | vick: virtual hd for? |
| 02:40.59 | vick | bzed, like create a virtual hd in a file. |
| 02:41.02 | Guerin | sha1sum: wtf is the point of that? |
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| 02:41.11 | bzed | vick: for which program, what to do with it |
| 02:41.23 | vick | bzed, like to mount it on a loopback interface |
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| 02:41.55 | wickers | is there a debian for ARM channel? |
| 02:41.59 | bzed | sha1sum: jsut run fsck |
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| 02:42.11 | sha1sum | Guerin: I resized some partitions and now fsck is complaining on boot and calling the maintenance shell -- I can boot regularly and everything is there if I use ^d to exit the maintenance prompt, but I want to be able to have the fs checked and still boot into my filesystem without intervention |
| 02:42.25 | Guerin | sha1sum: hm, funky |
| 02:42.34 | subopt | Where does debian put the kernel source during install? |
| 02:42.36 | Guerin | sha1sum: try tune2fs, might have a way |
| 02:42.37 | sha1sum | I thought I was good to go because the partitions and free space werent adjacent to the root partition or the mbr |
| 02:42.44 | Guerin | subopt: it doesn't |
| 02:42.53 | wickers | is there a debian for ARM channel? |
| 02:42.54 | sha1sum | alright :) gives me a hint at least heh thank |
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| 02:42.57 | sha1sum | +you |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | !arm |
| 02:43.04 | dpkg | [arm] Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm |
| 02:43.10 | subopt | Guerin: Is there an apt-get to get it? |
| 02:43.22 | wickers | ahh thanks |
| 02:43.33 | numist | where can I find the package list for the standard system install? |
| 02:43.42 | bzed | vick: dd of=myimage bs=1024 count=0 seek=10240 <<put the size for your disk behind seek= |
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| 02:44.02 | stew | count=0? |
| 02:44.07 | wickers | Umm... there's no one in #debian-arm |
| 02:44.13 | bzed | stew: sparse file |
| 02:45.07 | Guerin | subopt: ? |
| 02:45.16 | Guerin | !wayttd subopt |
| 02:45.16 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, subopt? |
| 02:46.09 | subopt | Guerin: I need the source to install the Cisco VPN client. Figured there was a simple apt-get command to fetch it for my particular kernel version. |
| 02:46.26 | bzed | subopt: try cpnc |
| 02:46.31 | bzed | subopt: err vpnc |
| 02:46.38 | Guerin | subopt: oh, there is. It just wasn't clear that's what you were after. aptitude install kernel-source-$(uname -a) |
| 02:46.55 | subopt | Guerin: thanks a lot |
| 02:46.57 | Guerin | subopt: if you're not running stable you may need to install and boot a new kernel |
| 02:47.05 | Guerin | subopt: (from debian) |
| 02:47.22 | subopt | Guerin: roger. |
| 02:47.24 | bzed | subopt: it doesn;t support re-keying, though, so it won;t work well for all cisco vpn stuff. the original cisco client is pain in the ass though. i've seen nothing but oops while running it |
| 02:47.43 | sha1sum | Guerin: checked out the man for tune2fs... doesn't say anything about resetting superblock location and all that |
| 02:47.47 | bzed | subopt: vpnc is a free replacement for it, you can install it with apt-get install vpnc |
| 02:47.52 | Guerin | sha1sum: no idea, then. |
| 02:47.58 | sha1sum | herm |
| 02:48.16 | sha1sum | thought I could milk you for some more info hehehe |
| 02:48.17 | subopt | bzed: I have no choice. The client dictates, and issues the crypto-fob. |
| 02:48.17 | bzed | subopt: it works well most of the time here, you just have to reconnect every half an hour or so |
| 02:49.01 | wickers | Hey guys, I'm getting an error when I try to run irssi on Debian-arm (etch). Seems the package is broken and needs to be rebuilt against glibc. |
| 02:49.06 | wickers | Who do I bug for that? |
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| 02:49.21 | sha1sum | damn... no #ext3 |
| 02:49.22 | sha1sum | lol |
| 02:49.26 | bzed | subopt: yeah, still try vpnc instead. chances that it works are good. and if not, here it helped to poke the noc often enough |
| 02:49.29 | abrotman | !tell wickers about reportbug |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | sha1sum: that'd be ##kernel |
| 02:49.42 | bzed | sha1sum: did you resize your partitions without resizing your filesystem first? |
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| 02:50.50 | sha1sum | bzed: I'm guessing so. the one I resized was my home partition, and it's still reading correctly. |
| 02:51.07 | bzed | sha1sum: how did you "resize" it? |
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| 02:51.51 | sha1sum | lovely little boot disc with a combo partition magic and partition commander... used commander to resize and move ext3 partitions, magic to resize and move swaps |
| 02:52.23 | subopt | Where do i go to find out about the kernels currently available for Etch? |
| 02:52.37 | Guerin | subopt: aptitude search linux-image |
| 02:52.43 | bzed | !tell subopt about apt-cache |
| 02:53.08 | bzed | sha1sum: what happens if you run fsck ? |
| 02:53.24 | weasel00 | anyone familiar with the twiki debian pkg? i cant find any info regarding the final setup for it |
| 02:53.52 | bzed | weasel00: checked /usr/share/doc/twiki or so? |
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| 02:55.20 | sha1sum | bzed: seeing as how it's mounted it barks at me |
| 02:55.27 | brandon_ | Hi folks. I have some serial ports, I see them in my dmesg as ttyS0 S1 and S04, but minicom doesn't seem to echo anything back when I try it on different ports (typing ATZ<cr>) |
| 02:55.41 | brandon_ | is there some way of detecting modems? |
| 02:56.05 | Guerin | much like that |
| 02:56.06 | sha1sum | brandon_: yes, but some modems are pissy due to the whole softmodem factor |
| 02:56.23 | Guerin | brandon_: they aren't automatic, though, so you usually need to set jumpers |
| 02:56.26 | bzed | sha1sum: well, you could remont it readonly, but I think what you want is to boot from some live cd and run fsck on all of your partitions |
| 02:56.31 | Guerin | and if it's not a hardware modem - give up |
| 02:56.39 | brandon_ | yeah.. I'm not sure if there's a winmodem in here or not. The computer isn't local to me |
| 02:56.47 | brandon_ | helping a friend over the phone, actually |
| 02:56.54 | bzed | brandon_: check if there's a modem listed in lspci |
| 02:56.59 | sha1sum | lemme reboot... maybe the data is updated already |
| 02:56.59 | brandon_ | k |
| 02:57.03 | bzed | sha1sum: no |
| 02:57.04 | sha1sum | this is the first time I have booted since resizing |
| 02:57.08 | sha1sum | bzed: ? |
| 02:57.14 | bzed | sha1sum: you'll end at the same place |
| 02:57.15 | Guerin | pci modem = fake-ass |
| 02:57.19 | Guerin | (most likely) |
| 02:57.19 | bzed | you need to fix your filesystems |
| 02:57.21 | sha1sum | bzed: okay... rebooting into live cd then |
| 02:57.35 | sha1sum | bzed: well what is okay and not okay to "fix" in order to keep my data? |
| 02:57.36 | bzed | sha1sum: run fsck on every partition with a linux fs |
| 02:57.38 | brandon_ | no.. it doesn't look like there is.. just a serial controller. |
| 02:57.57 | bzed | sha1sum: you have no other chance than to hope that it can fix everything |
| 02:58.02 | sha1sum | lol |
| 02:58.09 | sha1sum | maybe I'll just exit the maintenance prompt every time |
| 02:58.12 | bzed | fsck -y works well |
| 02:58.13 | bzed | ;) |
| 02:58.14 | bzed | no |
| 02:58.15 | sha1sum | screw the data loss lol |
| 02:58.16 | brandon_ | compared with my thinkpad, which DOES have a modem, and lspci shows it. So I'm pretty sure we don't have a modem in the machine. Oh well. |
| 02:58.18 | sha1sum | haha |
| 02:58.33 | brandon_ | I really thank you for the help. I hope I didn't disturb all 700 of you. |
| 02:58.39 | bzed | brandon_: tried minocom? |
| 02:58.47 | bzed | *minicom |
| 02:58.49 | brandon_ | bzed, I tried minicom |
| 02:58.58 | sha1sum | brandon_: check bios |
| 02:59.02 | brandon_ | on each ttyS[014] |
| 02:59.06 | sha1sum | brandon_: see if its onboard modem is enabled |
| 02:59.14 | Guerin | brandon_: the thinkpad has a modem which shows in lspci because it's a software (fake) modem |
| 02:59.22 | Guerin | you need a real modem |
| 02:59.26 | bzed | Guerin: which actually works ;) |
| 02:59.45 | brandon_ | sha1sum, okay.. I'm not local to it, but I'll see if maybe they can check that out |
| 03:00.29 | bzed | brandon_: todays modem replacement: cheap router with reconfigured openwrt :P |
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| 03:00.40 | superlinux | hi all |
| 03:00.46 | brandon_ | yeah.. just for you guys, this is what the thinkpad's modem line looks like: 0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) |
| 03:01.12 | bzed | there's an alsa driver for it |
| 03:01.17 | bzed | supposed to work |
| 03:01.38 | bzed | anyway, n8 :)... 4am here |
| 03:01.43 | superlinux | i have a very long process attached to my terminal and it's curently running now. how can it make it go in the background? |
| 03:01.44 | brandon_ | bzed, I hear modern true modems (not software-based ones) cost a lot :) |
| 03:01.56 | brandon_ | could probably buy a full router :) |
| 03:02.02 | brandon_ | and a telco switch |
| 03:02.17 | Guerin | dial-up is a sad, sad thing |
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| 03:02.28 | bzed | brandon_: heh, yeah, real modems are expensive these days :\ |
| 03:02.37 | brandon_ | I met my wife over dialup |
| 03:02.49 | bzed | n8 :) |
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| 03:03.21 | weasel00 | try finding a modem that isnt usb lol |
| 03:05.46 | |zetetic| | hi. I'm running debian etch and I would like to install the package "checkinstall" (it's not in the repositories). I went to checkinstall's Home Page and saw they have tehere the source tarball and a deb file. My question is: Should I install checkinstall from source or should I use the deb file instead? |
| 03:06.11 | infernix | superlinux: ctrl-z, then enter 'bg' |
| 03:06.14 | brandon_ | okay.. well I guess that's it for now :) Gonna send a lovely lady to the computer, over there, some time later at her convenience to check it out. |
| 03:06.25 | brandon_ | thanks for the help. :) |
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| 03:09.32 | |zetetic| | no one here uses debian etch and checkinstall? |
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| 03:10.50 | abrotman | you waited a whole 30 seconds! :) |
| 03:11.21 | abrotman | |zetetic|: checkinstall is in debian |
| 03:11.22 | Daveman | \o/ |
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| 03:11.45 | abrotman | erm .. it should be |
| 03:11.51 | |zetetic| | abrotman: unfortunately checkinstall is not on debian etch |
| 03:11.52 | abrotman | !stow |
| 03:11.52 | dpkg | [stow] Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 03:11.57 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 03:13.00 | |zetetic| | abortman: checkinstall is on debian stable and on debian unstable, but not on debian testing (etch) |
| 03:13.27 | |zetetic| | sorry, I mean abrotman |
| 03:14.28 | abrotman | |zetetic|: i highlight on both! \o/ |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | !tell |zetetic| about simple sid backport |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | !why is checkinstall not in testing |
| 03:14.46 | dpkg | checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=checkinstall |
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| 03:17.39 | |zetetic| | abrotman: thank you for your help! where can I find the urls to the sid repositories? |
| 03:17.50 | abrotman | didn't the bot tell you ? |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:18.02 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:18.04 | abrotman | put your sources there |
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| 03:21.16 | |zetetic| | abrotman: thank you. I'm gonna read and process this new information on my brain :) |
| 03:21.41 | abrotman | |zetetic|: i saw you on the other server! |
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| 03:22.28 | mog | hi probably bad question , but any word on release date for etch?. |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 03:22.32 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 03:22.43 | |zetetic| | abrotman: before caming here I have googled a lot, but only here I was able to find the information I really needed |
| 03:24.28 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:26.18 | |zetetic| | abrotman: I have past my sources.list on http://channels.debian.net/paste/5460 |
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| 03:27.11 | chronographer | hi all, trying to install my lexmark piece of crap.. found a guide which says to install using rpm.. is this fine to do in debian? |
| 03:27.15 | abrotman | |zetetic|: add "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main" |
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| 03:28.15 | falkon_ | has ANYONE had any luck with aircrack and the ipw2200 card? That's Intel PRO/Wireless B/G card. I don't even want to do packet injection, just trapping so I can pull a hidden ssid out |
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| 03:30.45 | |zetetic| | abrotman: "install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly" - what a nice sense of humor eheheheh After building the package and put it on my local repository can I install it with "aptitude install checkinstall" ? |
| 03:30.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:31.02 | abrotman | |zetetic|: man dpkg |
| 03:31.20 | |zetetic| | abrotman: ok, thanks |
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| 03:31.33 | boosted | How can i change my system lang ? |
| 03:31.41 | boosted | :S |
| 03:31.56 | rfrank | hey guys, how can I find the current % of cpu usage? |
| 03:31.58 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:32.05 | abrotman | rfrank: top ? |
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| 03:32.47 | boosted | abrotman, errrrr |
| 03:32.57 | boosted | I cant read germany |
| 03:32.58 | boosted | lol |
| 03:33.02 | rfrank | abrotman, what exactly does top ? mean haha |
| 03:33.17 | abrotman | it means .. run the command 'top' |
| 03:33.32 | rfrank | oh haha |
| 03:33.56 | rfrank | hmm |
| 03:34.00 | rfrank | it needs to be in an easy to parse format |
| 03:34.02 | rfrank | for rrdtool |
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| 03:34.27 | ranpha__ | When installing i get this message. Is this a bug in the installer? (http://oao.tliff.de/debian_error.png) |
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| 03:36.10 | chronographer | tar xvzf lexmarkz65-CUPS-1.0.tgz |
| 03:36.30 | dexemsrc | I just upgraded the Iceweasel package in sid to 2.0.0.1+dfsg-3 from 2.0.0.1+dfsg-2 and ALL my settings and themes and history, etc. have been erased. |
| 03:36.36 | chronographer | dear experts, on executing this command i hope things would be installed to /usr/... |
| 03:36.45 | dexemsrc | I really really need to have the tabs I had open when it last closed open back up again |
| 03:36.46 | chronographer | BUT they were installed to ./usr..... |
| 03:37.02 | chronographer | ie. in the folder i executed it from. how to change this? |
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| 03:37.11 | dexemsrc | I had the feature enabled to reopen all tabs and windows when I restart the browser |
| 03:37.19 | tyh_123 | hi everyone |
| 03:37.21 | |zetetic| | abrotman: just one more question. Can I also add a line for unstable deb binaries, in my sources.list (in order to install other packages or newer versions) ? Or this could damage my etch system? |
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| 03:37.27 | dexemsrc | Please someone tell me I can get those back? Or at least my history? |
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| 03:37.37 | abrotman | |zetetic|: that's mixing .. that's bad |
| 03:37.45 | tyh_123 | who can help me ? |
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| 03:38.01 | rfrank | tyh_123, nobody. This isn't a Debian help channel or anything |
| 03:38.02 | tyh_123 | i need some help |
| 03:38.11 | abrotman | !tell |zetetic| about pinning |
| 03:38.17 | Guerin | dexemsrc: about:config, enter `session' |
| 03:38.31 | |zetetic| | abrotman: ok, I will only had the src line and I will comment it after installing checkinstall |
| 03:38.35 | Guerin | dexemsrc: you might not be able to get them all back now, though |
| 03:38.38 | tyh_123 | yes,i have some "debian" porblem |
| 03:38.47 | |zetetic| | had = add |
| 03:38.49 | abrotman | |zetetic|: good plan |
| 03:38.50 | dexemsrc | Guerin: Which entry should I look at/mess with? |
| 03:38.55 | Guerin | dexemsrc: i forget |
| 03:39.09 | Guerin | dexemsrc: it's one of them; but this is for the future, not the past |
| 03:39.35 | stoned | hello |
| 03:39.41 | tyh_123 | can anybody help me ? for debian |
| 03:39.53 | stew | tyh_123: if you have a question, just ask it |
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| 03:40.06 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=about <-- I think I'm done with the degisn for my new debian website. What do you think now? |
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| 03:40.23 | bintut | hello all.. i need help on my Canon iR3570 MFP.. i'm running debian etch here.. any idea what driver and printing protocol shall i use? |
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| 03:40.25 | abrotman | stoned: it's broken |
| 03:40.28 | rtai | dexemsrc: think the ~/.mozilla/firefox folder is a bit messed up.... i assume that you have two folders (at least) in there and one is the original and the other is the new. |
| 03:40.35 | stoned | abrotman: what is/ |
| 03:40.41 | tyh_123 | oh,i'm a newer.now my debian is 2.6 |
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| 03:40.43 | abrotman | stoned: and you misspelled acoustic :) |
| 03:40.46 | dexemsrc | rtai: I figured something is like that |
| 03:40.51 | abrotman | stoned: the page is broken .. renders badly |
| 03:41.09 | stoned | abrotman: which browser? |
| 03:41.16 | abrotman | opera |
| 03:41.20 | stoned | it looks ok in iceweasel |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | let me check FF |
| 03:41.24 | tyh_123 | i want open a new fat32.but i don't how to do . |
| 03:41.28 | dexemsrc | rtai: Maybe it changed from "firefox" to "iceweasel"? |
| 03:41.43 | abrotman | it's really bad in opera |
| 03:41.46 | stoned | abrotman: just too peek, try iceweasel or something |
| 03:41.49 | stoned | to( |
| 03:41.51 | stoned | doh |
| 03:41.58 | abrotman | stoned: find in epiphany |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | but really bad in opera |
| 03:42.02 | rtai | dexemsrc: normally no |
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| 03:42.44 | dexemsrc | rtai: But in the upgrade from 2.0.0.1+dfsg-2 from 2.0.0.1+dfsg-3 of Iceweasel in sid? |
| 03:42.51 | vnux | hi, can someone confirm that I have to reinstall debian if I want to go from sarge to etch? |
| 03:42.56 | stoned | abrotman: can you take a SS for me? |
| 03:43.12 | caitriona | vnux, you shouldn't have to. |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | stoned: i am .. moment |
| 03:43.30 | vnux | caitriona, then what's the way? |
| 03:43.40 | dendrite | !tell vnux about sarge->etch |
| 03:43.41 | vnux | vn@sys6x:~$ uname -a |
| 03:43.41 | vnux | Linux sys6x 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:43.45 | rtai | dexemsrc: anyway easy way out copy stuff from the original to the new folder and restart iceweasel.... might work |
| 03:43.59 | vnux | ok got the privmsg |
| 03:44.04 | stoned | abrotman: so besides the opera thing, what do you think of the color scheme and general design and such? |
| 03:44.08 | vnux | but someone told me it would break my linux |
| 03:44.12 | tyh_123 | excues ? |
| 03:44.31 | dendrite | vnux: Version upgrades can always break things. |
| 03:44.39 | abrotman | stoned: in /msg i pasted it |
| 03:44.54 | abrotman | stoned: let me check in a browser that doesn't break it :) |
| 03:45.02 | stoned | opera sucks balls anyway |
| 03:45.07 | Guerin | so true |
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| 03:45.11 | Guerin | and not in the good way |
| 03:45.17 | vnux | dendrite, rly? like what? |
| 03:45.22 | stoned | Guerin: hehe |
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| 03:45.26 | vnux | I dont want a downtime :\ |
| 03:45.27 | dendrite | stoned: Is that using a frame to keep the copyright message on the screen? I don't particularly like that. |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | stoned: acoustic |
| 03:45.42 | markybob | vnux, then you shouldnt use something that isnt stable. etch is still testing |
| 03:45.47 | stoned | dendrite: no, just a z-index:100 |
| 03:45.48 | dendrite | vnux: Like... Version upgrades, on ANY OS ever upgraded, can break. |
| 03:45.49 | vnux | oh? |
| 03:45.53 | stoned | dendrite: its a div + css |
| 03:45.58 | stoned | no frames |
| 03:46.00 | dendrite | stoned: Well, I don't like it. =) |
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| 03:46.09 | vnux | uhm someone told me sarge is about to "expire" soon |
| 03:46.10 | dendrite | stoned: Good, frames suck, imho. |
| 03:46.13 | |zetetic| | !tell |zetetic| about sarge->etch |
| 03:46.15 | abrotman | stoned: you like that ? :) |
| 03:46.21 | vnux | that ain't true? |
| 03:46.21 | Guerin | vnux: someone is taking hits from the bong |
| 03:46.22 | stoned | dendrite: well it is going to have my original music |
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| 03:46.29 | Guerin | stoned: so? |
| 03:46.32 | vnux | Guerin, ok thanks for the answer |
| 03:46.33 | janrocks | vnux: i tried to upgrade a while ago and it killed everything |
| 03:46.38 | stoned | or can I release my music under GNU |
| 03:46.38 | vnux | aw. |
| 03:46.38 | stoned | lol |
| 03:46.42 | Guerin | stoned: copyright exists regardless of some annoying notice on your site |
| 03:46.42 | stoned | GPL I mean |
| 03:46.49 | stoned | Guerin: well true |
| 03:46.54 | stoned | I'll put something else in the footer |
| 03:46.58 | stoned | its jut a placeholder atm |
| 03:47.07 | dendrite | stoned: Yep, I'm not saying lose the message, I'm saying keeping it on the page like that promotes that thing to a first order item. The first order items should be *content*. |
| 03:47.14 | markybob | vnux, sarge will not "expire", whatever that means, before a new version is stable. that doesnt even make sense |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | stoned: the menus are kind of .. goofy |
| 03:47.29 | stoned | dendrite: thanks. I actually don't know anything about web design. I code man |
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| 03:47.41 | tyh_123 | who can help me ,how to mount a new fa32 ? |
| 03:47.45 | abrotman | bastards won't stay! |
| 03:47.47 | stoned | abrotman: go on |
| 03:47.50 | abrotman | !tell tyh_123 about vfatrw |
| 03:47.54 | stoned | abrotman: yeh I'm trying to fix that |
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| 03:47.59 | abrotman | stoned: the menus won't stay down |
| 03:48.08 | dendrite | stoned: Well, remember that asking opinions gets you... Opinions! In the end, go with what floats your own boat. |
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| 03:48.20 | tyh_123 | oh,i forgot. |
| 03:48.32 | vnux | markybob, I guess the guy meant that the latest won't be sarge in a bit |
| 03:48.37 | stoned | dendrite: yup |
| 03:48.57 | vnux | markybob, so I can understand sarge is still 'recent' and etch won't be stable anytime soon? |
| 03:49.04 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 03:49.04 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 03:49.05 | tyh_123 | it is vfat |
| 03:49.19 | markybob | vnux, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ when that says etch, not sarge, is when you should start thinking about upgrading if you need to |
| 03:49.28 | vnux | ok |
| 03:49.31 | vnux | thanks a lot |
| 03:49.39 | vnux | I guess its the same for ubuntu |
| 03:49.50 | dendrite | vnux: No, Ubuntu is completely different. |
| 03:49.56 | vnux | dapper/edgy/feisty |
| 03:50.06 | vnux | well isn't it debian based? |
| 03:50.17 | dendrite | !based on debian |
| 03:50.17 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:50.39 | dendrite | Where is the CO vs CO2 factoid... |
| 03:50.58 | |zetetic| | vnux: I started with Ubuntu but I soon discovered Debian was the way to go |
| 03:51.07 | quintin | so.. why is a linux desktop sooooo much slower than a windows desktop? example, run firefox, or double click my computer or double click my documents on windows. Do similar in linux and it's much slower |
| 03:51.20 | abrotman | prelinking |
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| 03:51.31 | abrotman | is one way to make it be faster |
| 03:52.02 | quintin | meh. don't have to do that on win. I mean above things are *instant* on my box when I boot windows, but much slower in linux. I don't get it |
| 03:52.17 | vnux | ok thanks |
| 03:52.29 | dendrite | quintin: Use strace to see where the time is spent, maybe? |
| 03:52.29 | markybob | quintin, hdparm? you havent optimized with dma? |
| 03:52.34 | markybob | quintin, there's all sorts of crap |
| 03:52.38 | vnux | |zetetic|, well I use debian as a server and ubuntu as a laptopstation and xpsp2 as a workstation |
| 03:52.52 | quintin | markybob: it's SATA. what would I need to do? |
| 03:52.54 | vnux | and slackware as a trash-server |
| 03:53.08 | markybob | quintin, not a high mem kernel so it doesnt see all of your ram? all things to check for |
| 03:53.21 | quintin | markybob: I don't have enough ram to need highmem |
| 03:53.50 | markybob | quintin, what's your problem with doing apt-get install prelink ? |
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| 03:54.26 | quintin | markybob: I highly doubt that will fix it. it might speed FF up, but I don't think it will do the other things. |
| 03:54.34 | Lumination | so how is the debian freebsd kernel project thingy going anyway? |
| 03:54.42 | markybob | abrotman, blah. is about all i can say |
| 03:54.50 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 03:55.03 | Lumination | Debian-kFreeBSD or something like that I think.... *looks around* |
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| 03:55.27 | quintin | debian/cygnus ftw |
| 03:55.33 | |zetetic| | quintin: what you are saying is very strange. Before moving to Linux I checked startup times and similar things on windows XP. Them I did the same thing in Ubuntu and in Debian. I'm talking about the some programs (programs that have windows and linux versions). And I can assure you than Debian is much faster that XP! |
| 03:56.11 | quintin | |zetetic|: nooooope. with neither older machine or a newer one.. what about file explorer? |
| 03:56.41 | markybob | i'm getting a headache all of the sudden |
| 03:57.20 | quintin | at least I have wobbly windows. I guess. :-\ |
| 03:57.28 | markybob | quintin, stop talking out of your ass |
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| 03:57.45 | quintin | markybob: .. excuse me? |
| 03:58.01 | markybob | quintin, i didnt think i was unclear |
| 03:58.15 | |zetetic| | quintin: the difference is so great that when I still was running windows XP I have found that my legs were always shaking or moving up and down... because windows XP was so much slower than Debian. On debian my legs are stoped |
| 03:58.15 | vnux | is there a link between dpkg and apt-get |
| 03:58.16 | quintin | Timing cached reads: 2592 MB in 2.00 seconds = 1295.21 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 104 MB in 3.03 seconds = 34.30 MB/sec is my hdparm output. That seems fine for SATA 1 disk, no? |
| 03:58.22 | vnux | or its 2 completly different things? |
| 03:58.23 | quintin | markybob: Fuck off. Kthnx. |
| 03:58.23 | stoned | abrotman: dendrite: check it now, http://stoned.is.dreaming.org @abrotman the menus are fixed hopefully, @dendrite the copyright bullcrap is removed |
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| 03:58.31 | stoned | quintin: behave |
| 03:58.32 | |zetetic| | quintin: of course I'm talking about the same machine and the same hardware! |
| 03:58.45 | abrotman | stoned: still busted in oepra |
| 03:58.50 | stoned | fuck opera |
| 03:58.56 | quintin | |zetetic|: I know. I mean in my experience on older and newer hardware it seems xp is faster. |
| 03:59.00 | |zetetic| | quintin: XP is unbelivable slow compared to debian |
| 03:59.17 | abrotman | stoned: it's likely your code |
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| 03:59.23 | stoned | abrotman, right now I'm not supporting opera users |
| 03:59.25 | hosiah | I'm doing an apt-get dist-upgrade on a grml 0.9 install, and it's getting a lot of time outs. Would it hurt my system if I stopped the upgrade and pointed the repository at a different server? |
| 03:59.27 | quintin | stoned: bite me. |
| 03:59.29 | stoned | abrotman: probably |
| 03:59.35 | abrotman | stoned: you sohuld support standards :) |
| 03:59.44 | stoned | well |
| 04:00.00 | stoned | I should validate as xhtml 1.0strict and css |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | it doesn't validate |
| 04:00.10 | stoned | it is standards based, opera just sucks |
| 04:00.16 | stoned | I'll fix it here |
| 04:00.26 | abrotman | dude .. ti's broken html |
| 04:00.34 | abrotman | and broken xhtml |
| 04:00.39 | quintin | hosiah: grml? |
| 04:00.39 | |zetetic| | quintin: I think you should check your configuration or something like that, because what you are reporting is so strange |
| 04:00.54 | stoned | its just a few errors |
| 04:00.57 | stoned | I can fix it |
| 04:01.05 | hosiah | yes, grml http://grml.org/ |
| 04:01.14 | abrotman | stoned: which might fix opera :) |
| 04:01.15 | quintin | stoned: Opera sucks, except for being a million times faster than firefox at loading and rendering ^-) |
| 04:01.26 | Supaplex | million? hah |
| 04:01.32 | quintin | hosiah: I don't think that's debian |
| 04:01.35 | stoned | abrotman: ahh yes, a few oversights in coding |
| 04:01.45 | abrotman | stoned: yeah .. not closing tags is bad :) |
| 04:01.58 | Lumination | so do we actually have any Debian GNU/kFreeBSD users in here ? |
| 04:02.07 | abrotman | Lumination: during the day we do .. |
| 04:02.08 | hosiah | quintin, well, it is Knoppix-based and has the full compliment of apt-get dpkg tools |
| 04:02.14 | abrotman | Lumination: day - EST |
| 04:02.23 | Supaplex | Lumination: yez. I lub it. mostly. |
| 04:02.26 | quintin | Lumination: that's rather a mouthful. |
| 04:02.28 | hosiah | I'm just a little rusty with them since I'm mainly a Slackware user |
| 04:02.30 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 04:02.31 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 04:02.42 | quintin | !ubuntu |
| 04:02.43 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 04:02.51 | quintin | !mepis |
| 04:02.52 | dpkg | [mepis] a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 04:02.53 | Lumination | sweeeeeeet |
| 04:03.34 | Lumination | okay so if it's lubbable then I might have to lub up awn it fo a minute |
| 04:03.43 | hosiah | lol, well, nobody was answering in the grml channel... |
| 04:04.16 | abrotman | try ##linux |
| 04:04.18 | quintin | hosiah: in the future, use mirrors.kernel.org |
| 04:04.31 | hosiah | in general, for a Debian system, it's probably not wise to interrupt a dist-upgrade, right? |
| 04:04.45 | abrotman | would you interrupt a windows box doing a service pack ? |
| 04:04.59 | stoned | abrotman: check in opera now |
| 04:05.01 | rahul | hosiah: usually not too bad if you do it again immediately after |
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| 04:05.10 | stoned | it validates now, it was an extra <li> tag I forgot to remove |
| 04:05.11 | hosiah | abrotman: yes, to install Linux |
| 04:05.16 | abrotman | stoned: see! .. opera is better .. it behaves correctly when the xhtml is broken! |
| 04:05.20 | stoned | abrotman: should work in opera now |
| 04:05.29 | quintin | !win abrotman |
| 04:05.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 04:05.32 | abrotman | stoned: it does .. because it's actually valid xhtml |
| 04:05.44 | stoned | yeh I just started on it like a few hours ago really |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | unlike FF/IW that just guess what you actually meant :) |
| 04:06.01 | stoned | I was busy messing with content management systems all last night and I didn' tfind anything |
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| 04:06.17 | stoned | nothing was worth using, so I decided to do it myself |
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| 04:06.25 | stoned | now I should try and validate my css too |
| 04:06.33 | abrotman | oh dear lord :) |
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| 04:06.49 | quintin | stoned: link |
| 04:06.56 | hosiah | anyway, I'll let it ride this time, it can sit all night... |
| 04:06.59 | abrotman | stoned: it validates! |
| 04:07.02 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 04:07.09 | stoned | abrotman: cool word! |
| 04:07.18 | stoned | time for a bowl |
| 04:07.40 | abrotman | though .. pretty simple CSS |
| 04:07.58 | stoned | I don't need anything fancy |
| 04:07.58 | liable | hrm, i cant seem to get ath0 to bridge to ppp0 |
| 04:08.06 | stoned | I'm not doing drop shadows or cutting corners or something |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | not all wireless devices can bridge i don't think |
| 04:08.32 | stoned | abrotman: you home right now? |
| 04:08.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:08.35 | stoned | duh |
| 04:08.41 | stoned | check msg |
| 04:08.42 | abrotman | god damn .. if i were still at work .. i wouldn't be on irc :) |
| 04:08.44 | liable | abrotman: madwifi apparently can, trying to set up my old laptop as a wireless dialup router |
| 04:08.50 | abrotman | liable: ok |
| 04:09.19 | stoned | abrotman: i finally got a good sound, now I have to redo the solo bits |
| 04:10.11 | stoned | php kicks ass |
| 04:10.51 | hosiah | just sometimes, the ass php kicks is its own... |
| 04:10.54 | hosiah | ha! |
| 04:11.53 | quintin | dpkg: ping |
| 04:11.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:12.43 | Lumination | hosiah: nah that would be the java runtime engine on a lot of platforms |
| 04:12.55 | Lumination | it kicks it ass, but very slowly |
| 04:13.05 | hosiah | well, yeah |
| 04:13.08 | Lumination | it,2 == its own |
| 04:13.43 | hosiah | Since my whole dang website is coded in php, I can't complain about it too loud |
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| 04:14.02 | ipfreely | evening |
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| 04:14.15 | ipfreely | anybody here setup hybrid-ircd w/ ssl ? |
| 04:14.43 | Supaplex | nevvvvveeerrr, not even the people who setup hybrid-ircd+ssl |
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| 04:15.20 | ipfreely | Supaplex: so what your saying is, you've done it already |
| 04:15.48 | abrotman | irc is so .. 90s |
| 04:15.49 | abrotman | :) |
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| 04:16.11 | Supaplex | smart questions still haven't caught on, I'm afraid |
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| 04:16.43 | ipfreely | anybody else have something to add ? |
| 04:16.55 | ipfreely | maybe what you like to eat for dinner |
| 04:16.55 | abrotman | which distro? |
| 04:17.08 | ipfreely | debian |
| 04:17.19 | abrotman | have you read the bitchx docs ? |
| 04:17.45 | ipfreely | you mean install bitchx-ssl |
| 04:17.49 | ipfreely | and select the proper port ? |
| 04:18.05 | abrotman | --- [ipfreely] (n=akira@pool-71-106-246-74.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) : * I'm too lame to read BitchX.doc * |
| 04:18.06 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:18.12 | Supaplex | HAH |
| 04:18.14 | ipfreely | o who cares |
| 04:18.19 | ipfreely | can we move on |
| 04:18.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: how was your dinner? |
| 04:18.39 | Supaplex | !smart questions |
| 04:18.39 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 04:18.45 | Guerin | ipfreely: please do. |
| 04:18.49 | abrotman | ipfreely: try asking a better question |
| 04:18.53 | Guerin | ipfreely: move on, I mean. |
| 04:18.57 | markybob | people just dont have a sense of humor tonight. it's not sunday night, is it? wtf |
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| 04:19.58 | ipfreely | my ? was pretty straight forward , its reply is either a "yes" or "no" |
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| 04:20.04 | Guerin | ipfreely: yes. |
| 04:20.09 | ipfreely | good |
| 04:20.10 | Guerin | ipfreely: there you go ;) |
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| 04:20.27 | geoaxis | hello people |
| 04:20.30 | markybob | glad that's settled. |
| 04:20.34 | abrotman | markybob: argh .. ye driving me nuts |
| 04:20.40 | abrotman | geoaxis: try #ubuntu |
| 04:20.46 | markybob | abrotman, :) you should open up that box of wine you were talking about |
| 04:20.50 | Supaplex | ipfreely: in that case, yes. |
| 04:20.55 | abrotman | markybob: no boxes! |
| 04:21.07 | markybob | yikes! |
| 04:21.07 | Supaplex | ages ago. like ohh late 90s. |
| 04:21.09 | hosiah | yeah, Supeplex, how do infotrons taste (referring to the dinner question) |
| 04:21.16 | geoaxis | I am trying to follow this guide : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 04:21.18 | Supaplex | hosiah: divine! |
| 04:21.18 | ipfreely | Supaplex: thank you for clearing that up |
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| 04:21.37 | geoaxis | abortman : don't jump to conclusions |
| 04:21.45 | abrotman | let me! |
| 04:22.07 | markybob | funny hearing people tell abrotman what not to do ;) haha. |
| 04:22.46 | abrotman | markybob: my boss does it all the time .. "Don't yell at me" :) |
| 04:22.59 | markybob | abrotman, ha! :) |
| 04:23.00 | Lumination | lol |
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| 04:23.19 | geoaxis | If you see the document , I am getting problem when I start debootstrap : the error is => W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 04:23.41 | Lumination | I've been in this channel for, I would say, about two years now and abrotman is supposed to tell you things, not vice versa... dood knows his shiznit |
| 04:23.45 | geoaxis | (relevent section in the document i just mentioned is C.4.3) |
| 04:23.52 | Lumination | hehe |
| 04:24.14 | Lumination | most of the time I just lurk, but the eye sees all :D |
| 04:24.25 | dondelelcaro | geoaxis: where are you running debootstrap? are any errors output? |
| 04:24.52 | Lumination | okay so I think I'm going to give GNU/kFreeBSD a shot |
| 04:25.02 | Lumination | anything special I should know? |
| 04:25.19 | Lumination | (directed toward the 'sperts) |
| 04:25.21 | dondelelcaro | geoaxis: and just to cover the early bases: You're running debootstrap as root, right? |
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| 04:25.24 | geoaxis | dondelelcaro, I am running it from /usr/sbin (I got it zcated according to the document , I am on live ubuntu CD right now) |
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| 04:25.35 | markybob | Lumination, that i wouldnt call it "ready for primetime"....but it'll be fun to play with, at least :) |
| 04:25.59 | geoaxis | dondelelcaro, yes |
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| 04:26.01 | quintin | Anyone here experienced with sshfs? Having a problem |
| 04:26.22 | abrotman | shfs ? |
| 04:26.24 | quintin | I mounted root@mysite.com:/ , and the first time I edit a file, it works with root perms, but after that it goes to my user acct.. |
| 04:26.33 | markybob | Lumination, you've read the installation notes, right? |
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| 04:27.19 | quintin | example, I can use gedit on like /etc/adduser.conf , add a line, save , and it works. |
| 04:27.28 | quintin | but now, if I try to remove that line, I get permission denied |
| 04:27.45 | Lumination | markybob: so are regular debian packages that have no interaction with the kernel "kFreeBSD-Ready"? |
| 04:27.47 | dondelelcaro | geoaxis: what is the content of /mnt/debinst? what happens if you run chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc proc manually? |
| 04:27.53 | Lumination | or will I have to compile? |
| 04:27.55 | ipfreely | thanks, got it working, anytime, ok takecare now |
| 04:28.05 | Lumination | markybob: actually reading them now |
| 04:28.14 | Lumination | haven't gotten thru yet |
| 04:28.17 | markybob | Lumination, most things work well. i played with it a couple of months back...i just dont trust it enough for production, is all. |
| 04:30.23 | dondelelcaro | geoaxis: 1) please don't /msg me; 2) definetly don't flood me in /msg |
| 04:30.41 | abrotman | unless you're from turkey! |
| 04:30.50 | quintin | Any suggestions for seamlessly working with remote filesystems over the intarwebs? |
| 04:30.51 | Lumination | markybob: it's going on a laptop so we'll see how the mobility factor works out heh |
| 04:31.12 | abrotman | Lumination: tarzeau seems to be advocating it a lot lately |
| 04:31.14 | geoaxis | dondelelcaro, so where do you want me to paste things, ie output |
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| 04:31.17 | Lumination | right on |
| 04:31.19 | abrotman | !paster |
| 04:31.19 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 04:31.39 | rtai | does prelinking work also if half of the libraries are set or do all have to be found in order to succeed? |
| 04:31.42 | Lumination | tarzeau's opinions can usually be taken in good faith, in my experience |
| 04:31.44 | markybob | abrotman, that guy advocates everything. is he still going crazy about the popularity contest, or has he calmed down a bit about that? ;) |
| 04:31.48 | dondelelcaro | geoaxis: see above; but it's since proc exists, it's good enough. Now I only really care about what failure chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc proc |
| 04:32.10 | quintin | !anyone |
| 04:32.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:32.10 | abrotman | markybob: well .. i think he's still banned from dpkg(the bot) .. so i don't think he does it much anymore .. he also got a girlfriend i think :) |
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| 04:32.25 | Lumination | I haven't actually sat down and been active on irc in a long time lol |
| 04:32.25 | markybob | abrotman, ah, good for him :) heh |
| 04:32.27 | quintin | hmph |
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| 04:32.31 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I find out what program is using a certain module? |
| 04:32.39 | abrotman | kernel module ? |
| 04:32.41 | Lumination | I usually just let my work computer lurk logged in all the time heh |
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| 04:32.45 | hosiah | !anything-you-dont-know |
| 04:32.54 | Netham45 | can 5-10 people connect to netham45.gotdns.org and join #opers so I can get it linked to a bigger network? |
| 04:33.17 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: yes. Kernel module. |
| 04:33.20 | Lumination | wow... computer geek gets a girlfriend... yeah, that can definitely distort a mofugga's life heh |
| 04:33.35 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: says "ERROR: Module vmnet is in use" |
| 04:33.42 | Led_Zeppelin | also hello abrotman |
| 04:33.44 | abrotman | hi |
| 04:34.00 | abrotman | if you know the device it's using .. tht's easy .. not sure sabout kernel modules |
| 04:34.29 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: okay, I **do** know what device it is. |
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| 04:34.34 | unlink | why do quotas magically appear for a user with a soft and hard limit of 0 blocks when that user tries to consume the default quota of disk space? |
| 04:34.37 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: but the device is down. eth2 |
| 04:34.45 | abrotman | eh .. not a real device! |
| 04:35.03 | unlink | as in...i have a user with no quota, yet for some reason the quota that they don't have still applies |
| 04:35.04 | Led_Zeppelin | heh true |
| 04:36.02 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: duh. I used -f and it worked :-) |
| 04:36.31 | geoaxis | dondelelcaro, cannot chroot: cannot run command `mount': No such file or directory |
| 04:36.44 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: modprobe -rf ? |
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| 04:39.57 | _pHI_ | is there a way to list the files of a package that i installed via apt-get? |
| 04:40.13 | peterS | _pHI_: yes, dpkg -L |
| 04:40.34 | _pHI_ | peterS: so all apt-get does is move the *.deb file into some location and then run dpkg? |
| 04:40.52 | peterS | _pHI_: it's a bit more complicated than that, but that is the core of what it does |
| 04:40.52 | Guerin | _pHI_: that's quite simplistic, but it's the guts of it |
| 04:40.59 | _pHI_ | kewl :) |
| 04:41.48 | _pHI_ | what if i delete the package in /var/cache/apt? will i never be able to know again where the files came from :) / |
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| 04:42.08 | peterS | _pHI_: nah, /var/cache/apt doesn't mean much. the fact that it's in /var/cache tells you that it isn't all that important |
| 04:42.15 | _pHI_ | ok |
| 04:42.20 | peterS | _pHI_: if you wonder where a file came from, use dpkg -S to find out |
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| 04:43.16 | _pHI_ | i'm actually trying to set up unattended-upgrades on my server... but i have no idea how that's supposed to work, shouldn't it write a crontab entry somewhere? |
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| 04:43.49 | geoaxis | dondelelcaro, I created proc my self , tried to mount stuff |
| 04:43.54 | peterS | what do you mean, "it"? do you mean "I"? |
| 04:44.07 | _pHI_ | peterS: i meant the package :) ... |
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| 04:44.28 | Guerin | grr, mystery line compression on latex |
| 04:44.39 | peterS | _pHI_: probably, check /etc/cron.daily/ and /etc/cron.d/ for signs of this |
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| 04:45.19 | _pHI_ | peterS: it didn't grr. |
| 04:45.19 | xixor | is there an apache2-ssl-certificate script in Debian now? I can't seem to find it, but some articles on debian-administration.org make use of it |
| 04:45.24 | kelsin | This is kindof a silly question, but anyone have a recommendation on a good .deb tutorial on how to create packages? Most of the ones I've seen either use lots of tool scripts without explaining them or have a REALLY basic example and don't explain most features needed for packing even a simple program |
| 04:45.45 | peterS | xixor: it is in the ssl-cert package now, and is named make-ssl-cert |
| 04:45.51 | Harzilein | hmm... |
| 04:45.54 | xixor | peterS: ah, great, thanks! |
| 04:47.02 | geoaxis | people , I am still stuck at the same point : I ran a fresh debootstrap and it fails saying : Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 04:47.25 | Harzilein | any ideas on how to have / as a unionfs when the system is already running? i expect problems with /lib being unavailable for a moment... |
| 04:48.08 | Harzilein | (want more space so i can upgrade kernel modules in place on a / that's quite small (100 mb) |
| 04:48.14 | Harzilein | ) |
| 04:49.11 | _pHI_ | peterS: actually, there is a script in there that evaluates the APT::Unattended... variable via "eval $(apt-config shell Unattended ..)".... do you happen to know how i can set this variable permanently to "1" ? |
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| 04:49.25 | peterS | kelsin: the new maintainer's guide linked from www.debian.org/devel/ somewhere is the best resource I can think of |
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| 04:50.23 | kelsin | peterS: I will give that a look, thanks :) |
| 04:50.29 | peterS | _pHI_: no, I don't. you can run apt with -o APT::Unattended=1 if you want. |
| 04:50.45 | _pHI_ | ok thnx |
| 04:50.52 | peterS | _pHI_: or you could put something of that nature in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 04:51.19 | _pHI_ | peterS: yesss, apt.conf it is |
| 04:51.22 | Guerin | bah, stupid #Latex |
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| 04:52.01 | MidgetKiller | hey guys, i'm looking for people that live on the east coast / south east coast of north america to help me test something. If thats you please PM me. |
| 04:52.20 | peterS | MidgetKiller: does it have anything to do with debian? |
| 04:52.24 | MidgetKiller | yes |
| 04:52.30 | MidgetKiller | has to do with my debian server |
| 04:52.33 | peterS | maybe you could explain, then |
| 04:53.11 | MidgetKiller | i'm getting a problem where a download just suddently freezes... trying to figure out if its my server, or the route people are using to get to my server (their connection to it) |
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| 04:53.32 | MidgetKiller | personally i'm not having any issues, but I'm local to my server. |
| 04:53.51 | peterS | the problem is downloads _from_ your server, or _to_ your server? |
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| 04:53.58 | MidgetKiller | from |
| 04:54.01 | bintut | is there a automatic tool in debian to add and scan a network printer? |
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| 04:54.28 | MidgetKiller | i'm running a debian sarge LAMP server. |
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| 04:55.06 | Paddy_EIRE | how do I check to see what version of debian I am using? I think its Etch |
| 04:55.12 | Guerin | !what version |
| 04:55.13 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 04:56.08 | kelsin | peterS: I don't know how I missed the new maintainers guide, this is perfect, thank you |
| 04:56.13 | Paddy_EIRE | what version is 4.0 |
| 04:56.13 | peterS | it suddenly occurs to me that if lenny takes a really really long time to be released, Debian could be known for the Seven-Year Etch |
| 04:56.19 | peterS | Paddy_EIRE: 4.0 is etch |
| 04:56.23 | Paddy_EIRE | nice one |
| 04:56.40 | MidgetKiller | *bu-dump CHING* |
| 04:57.35 | geoaxis | dondelelcaro, any pointers .. |
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| 05:00.53 | Harzilein | hmm... |
| 05:01.15 | Supaplex | things that make ya go |
| 05:01.17 | Harzilein | i there any current docs/recommendations for partition sizes? |
| 05:02.02 | Harzilein | with 2.6 kernels it seems to have become quite hard to have a backup of the old kernel and stay below 100M for / |
| 05:02.11 | Harzilein | s/kernel/& modules/ |
| 05:03.33 | markybob | Harzilein, true. i've been using 250M myself for / with /var, /tmp, /usr and /home in their own partitions |
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| 05:05.17 | Harzilein | markybob: yeah, i have the same setup but with a 100M / and /home on another harddisk. seems i have to shrink /usr again... |
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| 05:08.24 | peterS | I don't see a whole lot of point to separating / and /usr. my / (including /usr) is a few GB, with 3 GB in use |
| 05:08.55 | peterS | /var is separate, though (in fact /var is split amongst 3 partitions) |
| 05:09.07 | caitriona | peterS: on some styles of systems it makes sense |
| 05:09.29 | peterS | caitriona: maybe, but I can't think of a good reason |
| 05:09.29 | caitriona | theroretically, with some work, /usr could be shared between machines via NFS |
| 05:10.04 | peterS | yeah that would take a bit of work. the particularly annoying part is installing and upgrading packages on each of the nodes |
| 05:10.10 | caitriona | while /bin would be too critical for that (needed to boot), and /usr/local would contain 'local modifications" |
| 05:10.45 | caitriona | peters: under that style of setup, /usr would be common to all systems, and probably read-only from their perspective |
| 05:10.45 | peterS | I don't know how you'd reliably upgrade only the non-/usr bits of a package |
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| 05:10.57 | caitriona | that's just one example |
| 05:11.02 | caitriona | there are others I'm sure. |
| 05:11.17 | peterS | perhaps there are - but I can't think of any |
| 05:12.07 | caitriona | one of the other good reasons is to stop cruft |
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| 05:12.35 | caitriona | by keeping partitions small (but reasonably sized) you have to clean out your cruft |
| 05:12.56 | peterS | giving yourself intentional limitations just to keep you on your toes seems counterproductive to me |
| 05:13.52 | peterS | some people claim that separating / and /usr, thereby keeping / small, reduces the chance of filesystem corruption on /, which is worse than filesystem corruption on /usr |
| 05:13.59 | peterS | but I don't really buy that one |
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| 05:14.27 | peterS | for one thing, corruption on /usr is really just as bad, in the sense that you'll probably need to do a lot of manual file verification and restoration |
| 05:15.11 | caitriona | arguably, / contains everything needed to recover a system |
| 05:15.14 | caitriona | or should |
| 05:15.15 | peterS | for another, I find the specter of filesystem corruption to be not very scary in today's world of journalled filesystems and cheap enough disks to do raid1 everywhere |
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| 05:16.43 | peterS | also, why is Vaughan Williams's first name pronounced 'Rafe'? |
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| 05:18.37 | Harzilein | well, having that "it should be possible to have /usr read only" back in mind when i set up partitions, i thought it'd be neat if one could really do it. no further thought went into it but i think i'll just stick to it |
| 05:19.25 | peterS | that's the best reason I've heard to have a separate /usr, so it can be read-only. / cannot, mainly because of a handful of files like /etc/mtab |
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| 05:20.02 | peterS | and like /etc/shadow needs to be read-write if you want users to change their passwords |
| 05:20.19 | Harzilein | peterS: well, in fact /etc should allow that too |
| 05:20.47 | peterS | Harzilein: /etc must be in the root filesystem, though, if only because /etc/fstab has to be there |
| 05:20.49 | Harzilein | peterS: but of course it almost doesn't make any sense |
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| 05:21.37 | peterS | hmmm now that debian has /lib/init/rw mounted at boot time, I wonder if we can move to /etc/mtab being a symlink to something in there |
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| 05:21.58 | caitriona | back in earlier times, disks were also a lot smaller |
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| 05:22.26 | peterS | I know util-linux is ok with /etc/mtab being a symlink since a lot of people used to symlink it to /proc/mounts |
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| 05:24.06 | liable__ | hehe, got my old lappy running as a dialup wireless router :) |
| 05:24.15 | Harzilein | hmm... i see there's no mention of allowing etc to be read-only in the fhs |
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| 05:25.00 | liable_ | i actually find it quite hilarious :) |
| 05:25.07 | Xenguy | brottman: xfce ? |
| 05:25.18 | Xenguy | sorry |
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| 05:27.57 | kie27 | greetings all, any idea why i can't get any sound in gaim? other apps get sound ok. am running etch. |
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| 05:28.41 | valdyn | kie27: which apps? |
| 05:28.58 | kie27 | web browser, any games. |
| 05:29.07 | kie27 | xine |
| 05:29.35 | valdyn | kie27: try 'aplay %s' as sound playback commad in gaim |
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| 05:29.40 | Xenguy | kie27: odd |
| 05:30.04 | valdyn | kie27: you can try 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav' in advance to see if that command works |
| 05:30.31 | kie27 | aplay %s works |
| 05:30.34 | kie27 | thanks |
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| 05:34.04 | Xenguy | valdyn: nice |
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| 05:36.58 | StarWars | hi |
| 05:37.08 | StarWars | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 05:37.17 | StarWars | apt-get install |
| 05:37.27 | StarWars | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 05:37.29 | Guerin | StarWars: something else is using it |
| 05:37.42 | Guerin | StarWars: either wait or kill whatever is |
| 05:37.54 | StarWars | i will reboot |
| 05:37.57 | StarWars | let see |
| 05:37.58 | Guerin | no |
| 05:38.04 | Guerin | rebooting is stupid |
| 05:38.12 | Redhatter | Rebooting will work... but it's overkill |
| 05:38.19 | StarWars | i just install |
| 05:38.20 | Redhatter | Unless $COMPANY_NAME == "Microsoft" |
| 05:38.22 | StarWars | 5 min a go |
| 05:38.41 | Guerin | StarWars: have you not rebooted yet? |
| 05:38.51 | markybob | peterS, do you plan on testing that? moving mtab, symlinking it and using ro for /etc ? |
| 05:39.14 | StarWars | is working ..10 x all |
| 05:40.01 | peterS | markybob: I believe, from reading /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh just now, that it will handle /etc/mtab -> /lib/init/rw/mtab correctly |
| 05:40.27 | StarWars | i know on debian is no use "socket" is need interbase ? |
| 05:40.28 | WorldBFree | among other things |
| 05:40.46 | WorldBFree | whoops wrong chat |
| 05:40.49 | markybob | peterS, interesting. i'll be putting together a new server in a couple of weeks and i'll have to give it a try. thanks |
| 05:41.19 | WorldBFree | how do i find out what version of java i have installed |
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| 05:41.41 | peterS | markybob: yeah. 'cause /etc/mtab is handled _after_ /lib/init/rw is mounted, and checkroot.sh correctly follows the symlink and sets up the mtab file at the symlink destination. anyway, yeah, go ahead and test that |
| 05:42.04 | StarWars | how do i see only the dpkg -l i have install at this moment ? |
| 05:42.15 | markybob | WorldBFree, man java....but it's java -version |
| 05:42.21 | StarWars | dpkg -l * ? |
| 05:42.21 | dpkg | No packages found matching * |
| 05:42.25 | peterS | StarWars: no, just dpkg -l |
| 05:42.26 | WorldBFree | markybob: thanks |
| 05:42.27 | maddash | !tell me about wpa |
| 05:43.35 | StarWars | ii mysql-common 5.0.32-3 , do i need mysql-server to install ? |
| 05:43.49 | StarWars | i finde ii mysql-common 5.0.32-3 theer , is a VPS |
| 05:44.07 | markybob | StarWars, you need mysql-server if you plan to run a mysql server. if you just want to access a remote mysql server, then no |
| 05:44.22 | maddash | my router's wireless access point is encrypted with a WPA passphrase. iwconfig doesn't support passphrases. how can I connect my etch to my router? |
| 05:44.23 | StarWars | markybob thanks |
| 05:44.43 | WorldBFree | how do i remove old versions of java? |
| 05:44.57 | markybob | maddash, apt-get install wpasupplicant |
| 05:45.14 | markybob | WorldBFree, like you remove anything else. apt-get remove package_name |
| 05:45.29 | maddash | markybob: ok. |
| 05:45.38 | maddash | markybob: it's already there, by default |
| 05:45.43 | WorldBFree | markybob: but i do not know what the version is called, the package names tend to go by weird names |
| 05:45.58 | markybob | maddash, good, so read the doc. /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant |
| 05:46.08 | WorldBFree | and would adding --purge at the end do a better job of deleting what i need? |
| 05:46.23 | markybob | WorldBFree, try dpkg -l '*java*' |grep ii |
| 05:47.33 | maddash | anyone else? this ought to be a 2 min walkthrough with someone who knew what they were doing. |
| 05:49.31 | markybob | maddash, dont be a smart ass. you should know how to read help files. for example, man wpa_supplicant.conf |
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| 05:51.11 | maddash | markybob: if i wanted to waste my time digging through a manual, i wouldn't ask here |
| 05:51.32 | maddash | markybob: if you have no idea what to advise, then don't. |
| 05:51.47 | StarWars | what pkg i nnned for php5-apache2 ? apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 05:51.53 | markybob | maddash, ha! you're in the wrong channel, my friend. it's the whole teach a man how to fish thing. i gave you everything you needed if you were just willing to do your part. you're obviously not, so why should i help you further? |
| 05:52.35 | markybob | StarWars, yep. apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 05:52.47 | StarWars | ok thanks markybob |
| 05:53.26 | markybob | StarWars, be sure you a2enmod php5 afterwards |
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| 05:53.53 | siimo | is aptitude going to replace apt soon? |
| 05:54.27 | Xenguy | siimo: hasn't it already (not by me of yet course :-) |
| 05:54.33 | Xenguy | ? |
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| 05:55.01 | stoned | replace? |
| 05:55.09 | markybob | depends on how you look at it. apt-get and apt-cache arent going to disappear any time soon, but a lot of people are choosing to use aptitude in their stead |
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| 05:55.20 | stoned | it shouldn't replace it should just be there alongside aptitude |
| 05:55.50 | markybob | i remember how happy i was when apt got super cow powers |
| 05:55.53 | markybob | those were the days |
| 05:55.53 | Xenguy | It sounds like there is no real reason to stick with apt-get actually - tho I still do just out of habit |
| 05:55.55 | stoned | I don't like using aptitude much, but when I do I love it |
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| 05:57.09 | siimo | yeah i prefer how aptitude can manage dependencies when removing software as well.. as in removing unneeded deps when removing a package if they were installed because of it |
| 05:57.13 | stoned | Xenguy: I have my reasons. 1. I never really read the documentation for aptitude. 2. I am lazy. 3. apt-get works. 4. due to my lack of knowledge aptitude messes things up sometimes. |
| 05:57.34 | StarWars | my proftpd dont work Do i need to cheange my LocalHost in /etc/hosts ? |
| 05:57.34 | gotaku | Ok, here is an interesting question... I'm using a single panel with Gnome and placed it at the bottom of my screen. Now why every once in a while the panel will move back to the top of the screen. |
| 05:57.35 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.35 | StarWars | km22903-17.keymachine.de - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket |
| 05:57.46 | markybob | stoned, i'm old school, too. sticking with apt |
| 05:57.52 | Xenguy | stoned: yah, best to learn it of course, and I've been lazy too as apt-get just works for so many years :-) |
| 05:58.04 | siimo | gotaku: lol maybe you accidently grab it with your mouse and throw it up |
| 05:58.17 | gotaku | siimo: Nope. |
| 05:58.33 | markybob | StarWars, i'm not familiar how to use proftpd, but i suggest you move to vsftpd. like kernel.org and so many others have |
| 05:58.43 | Xenguy | stoned: but technically, it sounds like aptitude has arrived :-) |
| 05:59.00 | markybob | StarWars, most large linux-related sites use vsftpd. for a list, take a look http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ |
| 05:59.19 | stoned | I'm making a website about my 7 or so years with debian. it is located at http://stoned.is.dreaming.org . there is no content there much, but if you click on home>about it shows how the text is handled. What do you think about the design |
| 05:59.21 | StarWars | markybob 10x i will |
| 05:59.24 | Xenguy | StarWars: vsftpd, seconded |
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| 05:59.31 | Harzilein | if there's some tips-project in debian it could raise aptitude acceptance by giving cool "aptitude way of doing..." tips |
| 06:00.05 | markybob | Harzilein, it's hard to change the tested and proven ways of an old geek ;) |
| 06:00.32 | swa_mobil | actually the aptitude man is quite good |
| 06:00.43 | Xenguy | stoned: looks nice enough - the drop-down menus are cool (of course you could just switch to a CMS too :-) |
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| 06:01.04 | Harzilein | swa_mobil: yeah, but people like stoned and me are only likely to read them when they need something apt-get doesn't provide |
| 06:01.25 | Xenguy | Harzilein: stick with what works then |
| 06:01.36 | Guerin | so, anyway |
| 06:01.39 | Guerin | FUCK gnome |
| 06:01.48 | markybob | Harzilein, and that's unlikely, with other apps such as deborphan to fill in where apt falls short :) |
| 06:01.48 | Guerin | wanting to install fucking spamassassin locally |
| 06:01.54 | Harzilein | stoned: the website doesn't display any content in lynx, just the menu |
| 06:01.57 | markybob | Guerin, that's for evolution |
| 06:02.41 | Guerin | markybob: that's absurd |
| 06:02.46 | Guerin | fuck evolution |
| 06:03.01 | markybob | Guerin, i agree with you. just letting you know why :) |
| 06:03.03 | siimo | woot new ati driver release for both linux and vista |
| 06:03.09 | Guerin | the whole reason i'm installing shit is because that fucking piece of shit started hanging for no reason on my sister's box |
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| 06:03.37 | siimo | http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html |
| 06:04.13 | Harzilein | i'll go to sleep too... tomorrow i shall get myself some cdroms and burn /usr, then i can resize /, then i can upgrade the kernel, then i can finally finish tweaking nvidia-glx and maybe i can even find out why ddc stopped working or procure a 1440x1080 modeline myself |
| 06:04.26 | stoned | evolution is the word of the universal absolutism |
| 06:04.39 | markybob | stoned, deep, man ;) |
| 06:04.49 | stoned | not really |
| 06:04.56 | stoned | I'm extemely hyper |
| 06:04.57 | peterS | deep like a rain puddle |
| 06:05.00 | Harzilein | stoned: noticed my critique? |
| 06:05.02 | markybob | ha! |
| 06:05.03 | stoned | I drank 2 liters of coke with my meal |
| 06:05.23 | stoned | hopped up on sugar and caff. |
| 06:05.23 | peterS | better than 2 grams of coke |
| 06:05.27 | Harzilein | oh |
| 06:05.35 | stoned | peterS: ha! no way |
| 06:05.36 | stoned | :) |
| 06:05.38 | Harzilein | i see there's not supposed to be any content |
| 06:05.49 | Harzilein | stoned: quick, put the lorem ipsum on the other pages as well ;) |
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| 06:06.29 | stoned | peterS: responsible use of anything in moderation can be fun and recreational. It is people with poor self control and a weak will tha get hooked to things, be it anything. IRC addiction, net junkie, drugs. |
| 06:06.40 | stoned | Chemical dependance is diff. We wont' go there. |
| 06:06.52 | peterS | stoned: don't give me that |
| 06:08.16 | stoned | peterS: ww.zippit.com :D hehe |
| 06:08.18 | stoned | I shush |
| 06:08.30 | markybob | austin powers. nice :) |
| 06:08.40 | stoned | I wanna rent all 3 movies and just watch em in a row |
| 06:09.06 | stoned | past few weeks I been finishing up ridick movies, lord of the ring, back to the future, jarrasick park, the matrix, and stuff like that |
| 06:09.14 | karsten | stoned: Shagadellic, baby! |
| 06:09.42 | karsten | stoned: I thought it was "D'yourasick Puppy" |
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| 06:12.45 | markybob | anyone heard lately about Ian Murdock? been forever since i've heard what he's up to |
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| 06:14.00 | kie27 | thanks for all the help, see ya |
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| 06:18.26 | jetscreamer | are we playing the quiet game again? |
| 06:18.30 | jetscreamer | i lose! |
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| 06:23.58 | pinx | beer o'clock |
| 06:24.05 | pinx | !beer to everyone |
| 06:24.09 | markybob | pinx, i've certainly had a few, anyway |
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| 06:24.58 | pinx | !crisps to everyone |
| 06:25.00 | markybob | pinx, in my house? uh, probably US$0.45 per beer :) |
| 06:25.07 | markybob | heh |
| 06:25.09 | pinx | bah! |
| 06:25.21 | pinx | !chips to everyone |
| 06:25.30 | pinx | bollox!!! |
| 06:25.39 | pinx | bloody barman needs shot!!!! |
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| 06:25.57 | numist | why does my getty have issues rendering ncurses!? \o/ |
| 06:26.14 | markybob | numist, because it wanted to get to the other side? |
| 06:26.23 | pinx | needs more beers and crisps? |
| 06:26.23 | numist | ") |
| 06:26.25 | numist | :(* |
| 06:26.34 | numist | iptraf has never looked that ugly before |
| 06:27.19 | pinx | markybob -- it depends on the brewer :) |
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| 06:27.58 | markybob | pinx, currently drinking miller lite. |
| 06:28.14 | pinx | markybob: yuk |
| 06:28.22 | infinity1 | whats a good x server (possibly free) for windows? |
| 06:28.24 | markybob | pinx, where you from? |
| 06:28.27 | pinx | !guinness to markybob |
| 06:28.29 | Guerin | infinity1: cygwin |
| 06:28.42 | Guerin | infinity1: cygwin is indispensable windows gear |
| 06:28.45 | markybob | pinx, heh. i actually cant stand guinness |
| 06:28.58 | infinity1 | cygwin has an x serveR? |
| 06:28.59 | Guerin | fucking americans |
| 06:29.09 | Guerin | infinity1: cygwin has an x server |
| 06:29.09 | markybob | Guerin, brazilian, actually |
| 06:29.16 | Guerin | markybob: brazil is america |
| 06:29.29 | markybob | Guerin, oh dont even dare to call me an american |
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| 06:29.40 | Guerin | markybob: why, it's a geographical fact |
| 06:29.45 | pinx | WooT!!! fight fight !!!! |
| 06:29.56 | flurdoing | roffle |
| 06:30.02 | markybob | Guerin, that's like calling a mexican a spanaird. it's just not done |
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| 06:30.21 | pinx | most mexicans *are* spanish |
| 06:30.23 | NefariousPrior | July 24th, 2006 |
| 06:30.24 | NefariousPrior | The Debian project confirms December 2006 as the date for the next release of its distribution which will be named Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias 'etch'. |
| 06:30.35 | Guerin | markybob: fact: mexico is not anywhere near spain. fact: brazil is on the continent geographically known as (south) america |
| 06:30.51 | infinity1 | shit. now what package in cygwin is the x server. hah |
| 06:30.52 | flurdoing | mexicans are americans too |
| 06:30.57 | pinx | NefariousPrior: it's been delayed |
| 06:30.58 | markybob | Guerin, do north americans should keep calling native americans 'indians' ? |
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| 06:31.11 | Guerin | NefariousPrior: google `douglas adams deadline quote' |
| 06:31.20 | pinx | a lot of americans are maxican |
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| 06:31.45 | infinity1 | cygwin x server on windows vista! here we come |
| 06:31.47 | Guerin | markybob: ah, it's an indigeneity issue. |
| 06:31.49 | pinx | in fact - all of americans are from somewhere else |
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| 06:31.57 | NefariousPrior | Guerin: good one |
| 06:31.58 | hosiah | we can clear up the confusion by referring to US residents as "USAmericans", but I've suggested it before and it didn't catch on |
| 06:32.18 | pinx | too late hosiah -- you're all americans |
| 06:32.35 | NefariousPrior | Could call us Citizens of the Federation. |
| 06:32.37 | NefariousPrior | lol |
| 06:32.46 | pinx | anyone who comes from between the atlantic and pacific oceans ia an ameican |
| 06:33.05 | NefariousPrior | pinx: that is everyone in the world. |
| 06:33.08 | markybob | fuckin' ignorant bastards. |
| 06:33.34 | pinx | NefariousPrior: by the shorter measurement |
| 06:33.41 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 06:33.41 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:33.44 | NefariousPrior | aye |
| 06:33.56 | Guerin | markybob: not really. I understand where you're coming from, but the fact that asians never referred to their continent as `asia' don't mean it's not called that, and they aren't - geographically speaking - asian. |
| 06:34.01 | markybob | rahul, well, glad you showed up for what you're good for :) |
| 06:34.04 | rahul | heh |
| 06:34.15 | Guerin | markybob: same with africa |
| 06:34.21 | rahul | who's not asian? |
| 06:34.28 | pinx | markybob: fuckin and bastard are acceptable - but you can't have this argument with an ignoramus |
| 06:34.56 | rahul | "Indian" is not the term for someone who's indiginous. |
| 06:34.57 | pinx | !prize to hosiah |
| 06:35.03 | insmod | hosiah :) lol |
| 06:35.06 | Guerin | markybob: same with the place I come from - the pacific. If you want to call the various pacific peoples `pacific islanders' you'd better start calling them `people of moana-nui-a-kiwa' instead |
| 06:35.20 | geoaxis | rahul, it is in US, |
| 06:35.31 | hosiah | thank you |
| 06:35.42 | geoaxis | native americans is a better term |
| 06:35.42 | rahul | geoaxis: does that mean I'm not Indian? |
| 06:35.54 | rahul | because I'm not indiginous to the US. |
| 06:35.59 | pinx | indian was a misnomer by a stupid spaniard who thought he'd arrived in India teh long way round |
| 06:36.17 | markybob | Guerin, it's insulting. i dont like to be insulted. no brazilian ever goes by the title of an 'american'. it's just not done. it's like calling a white boy a cracker. i understand that you may not have known that, but that's how it is |
| 06:36.21 | rahul | pinx: no, he didn't want his crew to kill him for not getting where they were supposed to go |
| 06:36.29 | pinx | geoaxis: not at all - they aren't native either |
| 06:36.41 | pinx | rahul -- ok -- I stand corrected |
| 06:36.48 | insmod | geoaxis: not in Canad |
| 06:36.52 | rahul | pinx: well, there's no proof :P |
| 06:36.53 | markybob | rahul, ha! i hadnt heard that theory before :) |
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| 06:37.04 | geoaxis | pinx, American Indians are the native people of North America |
| 06:37.05 | pinx | rahul is right |
| 06:37.06 | rahul | markybob: it's plausible, at least :) |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | markybob: Not disputing that. But the fact remains that it IS part of america. And I'm a pacific islander, even though that would piss off most NZers. |
| 06:37.18 | pinx | I just couldn't be bothered to explain it in detail |
| 06:37.18 | geoaxis | pinx, how can you refute that ? |
| 06:37.27 | NefariousPrior | I'm "native american"...... and yeah, not truly native, but more native than anyone else. heh |
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| 06:37.33 | rahul | Guerin: no, it's part of the america_s_ |
| 06:37.36 | pinx | geoaxis: no they aren't |
| 06:37.38 | markybob | Guerin, so why do to others what you wouldnt have them do unto you? |
| 06:37.38 | rahul | "america" is the US |
| 06:37.43 | markybob | i feel all religious all of the sudden |
| 06:37.45 | pinx | geoaxis: they came from russia |
| 06:37.46 | markybob | rahul, than you! |
| 06:37.50 | markybob | thank* |
| 06:38.01 | Guerin | markybob: i don't mind it at all, i'm all for simplification as a basis of understanding. |
| 06:38.21 | pinx | america is not just the US - -that's justa US viewpoint |
| 06:38.31 | geoaxis | pinx, well in that case most of people believe that man came from heaven , then we all humans are not native to this planet |
| 06:38.36 | rahul | pinx: the term "america" is short-hand for USA |
| 06:38.42 | markybob | pinx, that's so far from the truth and reality of the world |
| 06:38.45 | pinx | rahul: certainly not |
| 06:38.57 | Guerin | rahul: no, america doesn't exist - and american doesn't linguistically or geographically mean people from the USA |
| 06:39.05 | pinx | america is the continent of North and south america |
| 06:39.07 | rahul | "north america", "south america", "central america", and "latin america" are not subsets of "america", tho |
| 06:39.08 | markybob | pinx, no place says 'america' and means anything other than the US |
| 06:39.17 | geoaxis | by most i mean almost 4 billion people (including jews , christinas and muslims who have the common belief that mankind started from Adam and Eve) |
| 06:39.20 | Guerin | rahul: it's shorthand, but that don't make it right. It's just cultural appropriation. |
| 06:39.25 | rahul | north and south america aren't a continent |
| 06:39.34 | pinx | markybob: that's rubbish - you need to get out mopre |
| 06:39.52 | rahul | canadians aren't americans. |
| 06:39.52 | markybob | pinx, i do? i've been to about 15 countries. i was in the navy and traveled plenty. how about you? |
| 06:39.57 | pinx | rahul -- see -- you've done it yourself |
| 06:39.58 | rahul | mexicans aren't americans. |
| 06:40.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:40.05 | markybob | rahul, exactly! |
| 06:40.07 | rahul | pinx: no, they did it. |
| 06:40.20 | rahul | no canadian will accept being called an american |
| 06:40.36 | pinx | rahul - you referred to "america" and meant the land mass - not the USA |
| 06:40.36 | Guerin | markybob: ok, you can adopt the USian definition if you like. I won't, though. |
| 06:40.40 | insmod | rahul: just criminals lol -- hahahaha |
| 06:40.47 | Guerin | markybob: this is a disjoint between geography and culture, and I apologise for not making clear that i meant it geographically, not culturally. |
| 06:41.00 | pinx | hell - don't bring the canadians into this |
| 06:41.06 | rahul | Guerin: the super-continent is called "the americas" |
| 06:41.20 | insmod | rahul: and canada is NOT american |
| 06:41.20 | Guerin | rahul: yes, of which `american' remains a derivation |
| 06:41.37 | stoned | canada is not in north america? |
| 06:41.37 | rahul | Guerin: you can't put all of that into the same bucket |
| 06:41.51 | rahul | Guerin: if you do that, then easter islanders are american because they're part of chile. |
| 06:41.54 | markybob | rahul, apparently red hat and debian are one and the same since they're both linux |
| 06:41.55 | pinx | markybob: stepping ashore does not constitute knowledge of the country |
| 06:42.00 | rahul | stoned: it is, but canadians ARE NOT americans |
| 06:42.04 | rahul | markybob: heh |
| 06:42.08 | insmod | stoned: north america -- not american |
| 06:42.14 | puki | hi |
| 06:42.23 | pinx | stoned - north americans |
| 06:42.39 | stoned | if people from asia are asians, and people from europe are europeon, and logically people from the americas are all american |
| 06:42.43 | Guerin | rahul: that's an edge case, but in fact they're geographically pacific. They're politically american, perhapos. |
| 06:42.59 | pinx | !beer to insmod |
| 06:43.02 | rahul | stoned: people from asia aren't all asians |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | stoned: you've got the idea. |
| 06:43.09 | rahul | I'm not "an asian" |
| 06:43.25 | puki | do i drop in the wrong room? |
| 06:43.26 | Guerin | rahul: sure you are, a wider group of `people from the place called asia' |
| 06:43.33 | rahul | Guerin: you tell a chilean that he's politically american and you'll get killed. |
| 06:43.34 | stoned | rahul: there are variaous races living in asia, they are all asians |
| 06:43.37 | Guerin | part of that group, i mean |
| 06:43.39 | pinx | stoned - I think we left logic behind a while ago |
| 06:43.39 | flurdoing | haha. you're all africans! |
| 06:43.41 | rahul | stoned: not in america |
| 06:43.41 | stoned | because they are are in/from asia |
| 06:43.58 | insmod | pinx: makes no sense |
| 06:43.58 | Guerin | rahul: i'm not concerned with peoples' peculiar delusions of identity |
| 06:43.59 | pinx | puki - just ask what you like |
| 06:44.02 | stoned | StarWars: pakistani/indian race is asian, just as chinese race is asian |
| 06:44.04 | rahul | asians are japanese, chinese, indonesians, and everything in between |
| 06:44.05 | markybob | i never, ever thought i'd say this, but rahul is the only one in here making sense. |
| 06:44.11 | rahul | heh |
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| 06:44.15 | pinx | ho ho |
| 06:44.37 | pinx | rahul might be making sense, but (s)he's wrong |
| 06:44.47 | markybob | pinx, he, and no, he's not |
| 06:44.55 | insmod | rahul: ah no |
| 06:44.56 | stoned | Rahul Roy was in that one movie in which he could turn into a tiger |
| 06:45.01 | rahul | pinx: tell that to the people who you're glossing over |
| 06:45.02 | stoned | that was myf avorite movie from bollywood |
| 06:45.04 | rahul | heh |
| 06:45.04 | insmod | rahul: in look ya |
| 06:45.06 | rahul | haha |
| 06:45.14 | insmod | rahul: not in name |
| 06:45.29 | rahul | pinx: you've glossed over people, not things |
| 06:45.39 | Guerin | rahul: why are you under the impression that membership in a wider group somehow diminishes your identity? |
| 06:45.39 | pinx | rahul - which people? |
| 06:45.44 | rahul | pinx: about half the world, heh |
| 06:45.45 | Guerin | it doesn't |
| 06:45.53 | pinx | rahul be specific |
| 06:45.57 | markybob | pinx oh, really? so palestinians and israelites are the same group of people, since they're in the same general area of the world? |
| 06:45.57 | hosiah | I count myself as a citizen of the Internet anyway. I even work freelance online. Can't wait until the Internet becomes its own recognized nation. |
| 06:46.03 | rahul | Guerin: you've just _removed_ the identity that was distinct before |
| 06:46.09 | Guerin | markybob: absolutely, they're both semitic |
| 06:46.16 | markybob | oh my lord |
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| 06:46.31 | insmod | pinx: are you a wagon burner :) ! |
| 06:46.34 | pinx | markybob: yes -they are the same peoples |
| 06:46.45 | rahul | Guerin: I propose we get rid of the "israeli" label, and call them "palestinians" |
| 06:46.45 | markybob | i have never heard something so ignorant in my life |
| 06:46.48 | markybob | ever |
| 06:46.58 | insmod | pinx: :) |
| 06:47.01 | Guerin | rahul: absolutely not, i made no claim whatever that this was an exclusive identity, and in any case, only a person or group can define their own identity - however certain facts of history and geography do prevail. |
| 06:47.11 | pinx | Guerin: here here |
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| 06:47.27 | pinx | too many wars started in teh name of religion and nationality |
| 06:47.32 | Guerin | markybob: you DO need to get out more. |
| 06:47.41 | rahul | Guerin: so what is the identity of people from the USA now? |
| 06:47.51 | rahul | since the identity they had is now gone. |
| 06:48.07 | rahul | Bush rules over the bolivians, it seems. |
| 06:48.10 | insmod | Guerin: not correct -- it is the perspective of the historian |
| 06:48.10 | Guerin | rahul: Americans, and within that larger group, whatever they want |
| 06:48.15 | pinx | USA folks are a mix of almost every country in the old world |
| 06:48.19 | numist | is it just me, or does apt-spy segfault a lot? |
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| 06:48.24 | numist | like, every time I've run it |
| 06:48.27 | rahul | pinx: where is the old world? |
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| 06:48.40 | Guerin | rahul: Iraq |
| 06:48.47 | pinx | rahul - this is not the place for a history lesson |
| 06:48.49 | hosiah | ... Atlantis? |
| 06:48.54 | Guerin | rahul: of Kenya, depending how far back |
| 06:48.54 | rahul | pinx: I'm not from the old world |
| 06:48.59 | markybob | oh wow. so now this is OT |
| 06:49.02 | Guerin | s/of/or/ |
| 06:49.14 | maddash | !feed dpkg |
| 06:49.18 | rahul | pinx: ancestrally, even |
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| 06:49.27 | pinx | the old world is commonly considered to be europe |
| 06:49.34 | Guerin | which is bollocks |
| 06:49.47 | Guerin | but nevertheless, at least people use it *knowing* it's bollocks |
| 06:49.53 | rahul | pinx: so what is the stuff that's not the old world? |
| 06:50.13 | pinx | rahul: the americas are the new world |
| 06:50.17 | rahul | ... |
| 06:50.20 | pinx | ask dvorjak |
| 06:50.31 | rahul | pinx: and what's the stuff that's not the old or new world? |
| 06:50.43 | hosiah | Guerin: yeah, kind of like I go along with people calling computer security crackers 'hackers' even though I know the real meaning of the word. |
| 06:50.46 | Guerin | rahul: there be dragons! |
| 06:50.50 | rahul | heh |
| 06:50.57 | pinx | dragonland |
| 06:51.03 | rahul | Guerin: at least that's what it said on the maps! |
| 06:51.17 | Guerin | rahul: if map makers were honest, some places still might |
| 06:51.50 | pinx | we seem to have lost our intrepid traveller in this discussion |
| 06:52.11 | pinx | markybob: .... |
| 06:52.13 | rahul | seriously, you'd get killed if you called anyone but someone from the US an american |
| 06:52.29 | pinx | killed??? By whom? |
| 06:52.31 | hosiah | *killed*? Like an infidel? |
| 06:52.32 | markybob | pinx, you havent lost anyone. i wish i knew you in person so i could punch you in the face, but i'm still here |
| 06:52.41 | rahul | I don't know _anyone_ from the americas outside of the US who would call themselves american |
| 06:52.46 | pinx | heh |
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| 06:52.48 | markybob | rahul, they dont exist |
| 06:52.49 | rahul | hosiah: no, killed like a bigot |
| 06:53.12 | hosiah | what if you took it back? |
| 06:53.18 | pinx | ah-ha the differences are self-perspective and others perspectives |
| 06:53.19 | rahul | hosiah: you'd be dead already. |
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| 06:53.44 | pinx | rahul: are you a red-neck? |
| 06:53.46 | rahul | pinx: so you're saying that people from the US and people from brasil are the same? |
| 06:53.55 | sid | Can you buy an Intel graphics card? or do they only come onboard on intel motherboards? |
| 06:53.55 | rahul | pinx: no, you're acting like one, tho |
| 06:54.06 | markybob | rahul, you even spelled it properly! i'm surprised :) |
| 06:54.09 | insmod | america sucks ass -- BIG ASS -- and i am Canadian |
| 06:54.11 | rahul | sid: only onboard |
| 06:54.13 | Harzilein | i think that if i hear someone talking about "an american" (as opposed to "america") i can be 99% sure he means a us citizen/resident |
| 06:54.19 | rahul | markybob: :) |
| 06:54.37 | sid | rahul: too bad. :( |
| 06:54.43 | rahul | pinx: what if I called you an australian? |
| 06:54.47 | pinx | Harzilein: exactly my point - they have a "special " image of themselves |
| 06:54.58 | rahul | pinx: or even better, a brit |
| 06:55.04 | pinx | rahul - I don't give a shit what you call me |
| 06:55.10 | sid | rahul: intel doesn't support linuxbios project, they don't give documentation. but AMD does, so you can run linuxbios with a lot of opteron boards, but you can't use decent free graphics with that board. |
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| 06:55.22 | rahul | kiwis and aussies are often considered british in the US |
| 06:55.25 | pinx | I know what i am - I don't need your label |
| 06:55.37 | sid | unless you get an old ATI card, which bleh.. I don't want to support them. |
| 06:55.49 | rahul | pinx: so don't act like people like that who are ignorant |
| 06:56.05 | rahul | a canandian is not an american any more than a kiwi is aussie. |
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| 06:56.25 | sid | !ot |
| 06:56.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 06:56.28 | rahul | "people like that" "who are ignorant" |
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| 06:58.32 | maddash | sid: are you unstable? |
| 06:58.48 | insmod | pinx: wagon burner |
| 06:59.14 | sid | maddash: yes |
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| 06:59.48 | bintut | is there a tool in debian etch to auto-detect network printers? |
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| 06:59.59 | rahul | how would it auto-detect them? |
| 07:00.33 | sid | bintut: no. best you can do is go by the printer name. hopefully the administrator names it the manufacturer/model # |
| 07:00.46 | sid | That's what I do at least. |
| 07:01.06 | rahul | bintut: is there anything out there that does this? |
| 07:01.12 | rahul | windows has never done this for me. |
| 07:01.17 | insmod | bintut: ya if you know thw printer |
| 07:01.19 | bintut | sid: no one knows its name.. we have here a canon ir3570 mfp connected to our lan |
| 07:01.21 | syntaxx | im looking for a way that i could find the file size of all the files that have been found by find / -mtime -3 |
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| 07:01.50 | bintut | rahul: yeah, in mandriva.. the printerdrake auto-detects printers on the lan |
| 07:02.08 | rahul | bintut: how it could do that is beyond me |
| 07:02.11 | rahul | because windows can't |
| 07:02.30 | syntaxx | adding -exec du -cHL {} only display the size of file found but removing {} go into continous loop anyone here who can help me? |
| 07:02.40 | insmod | bintut: then update foomatic or cups and use that |
| 07:02.55 | bintut | insmod: yeah, i'm using the updated one.. |
| 07:03.36 | insmod | bintut: i see know prb |
| 07:05.40 | insmod | bintut: then run it |
| 07:05.54 | bintut | anyone knows what's the right driver for my Canon iR3570 MFP network printer? |
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| 07:06.50 | insmod | bintut: http://localhost:631/admin |
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| 07:07.54 | hwdyki | i'm getting a bluescreen when installing from hd-media. |
| 07:08.06 | rahul | that's called the installer |
| 07:08.21 | rahul | the background is blue |
| 07:08.38 | hwdyki | all i see is a bluescreen with nothing on it. |
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| 07:08.59 | insmod | night |
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| 07:09.21 | lkthomas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:09.38 | hwdyki | now it's a blue screen with a white menu without any text on it. |
| 07:10.13 | rahul | hwdyki: hrm, it's going really slowly... |
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| 07:12.25 | hwdyki | is there away to disable colours on the installer? |
| 07:12.37 | markybob | hwdyki, hd activity light on? |
| 07:12.48 | rahul | hwdyki: why? that's not what would slow it down |
| 07:13.15 | bintut | insmod: what about accessing the web admin ui of my cups? |
| 07:13.18 | hwdyki | markybob: no light. |
| 07:13.33 | hwdyki | kbd leds are responsive though. |
| 07:14.56 | insmod | insmod: what about accessing the web admin ui of my cups? --? that is it |
| 07:15.03 | markybob | hwdyki, can you switch over and check the messages? i think it's alt+f6 |
| 07:16.10 | hwdyki | markybob: black screen. |
| 07:16.24 | markybob | hwdyki, check other screens? anything in them? |
| 07:17.13 | hwdyki | all black |
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| 07:17.17 | markybob | hwdyki, maybe you downloaded a bad image. not sure. |
| 07:17.25 | markybob | hwdyki, i havent seen that happen before |
| 07:17.28 | karsten | hwdyki: <alt><F2> |
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| 07:17.45 | karsten | hwdyki: ... and hit <enter> Should see a prompt, either '#' or '$' |
| 07:17.46 | hwdyki | i've tried with stable and the weekly builds. |
| 07:18.07 | karsten | hwdyki: Possibly installer's trying framebuffer and your video doesn't like it. |
| 07:18.29 | hwdyki | yeah. there a way to use plain text mode? |
| 07:19.00 | markybob | hwdyki, load it up with framebuffer disabled |
| 07:19.11 | karsten | hwdyki: Reboot installer giving 'vga=ask' |
| 07:19.28 | karsten | markybob: ... what's the argument for that? 'nofb' ? |
| 07:19.46 | markybob | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s02.html fb=false |
| 07:19.50 | karsten | hwdyki: At boot there should be a few screens of help including startup options. F2-6 IIRC. |
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| 07:20.00 | karsten | !win markybob |
| 07:20.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, markybob! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 07:20.10 | markybob | yay! |
| 07:20.25 | jair | hey guys I just installed ruby in debian, and do not know how to start it? |
| 07:20.31 | karsten | jair: 'ruby' |
| 07:20.32 | jair | i try irb "enter" |
| 07:20.39 | jair | irb? |
| 07:20.57 | jair | karsten: but I try that and the shell does not give me any output |
| 07:21.07 | karsten | jair: Generally, you'd pass it a script. |
| 07:21.24 | karsten | jair: /join #ruby |
| 07:21.32 | jair | all right Thanks |
| 07:21.35 | karsten | jair: (IRC, not at your cmdline). |
| 07:21.42 | jair | haha |
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| 07:21.48 | jair | Thank you karsten :) |
| 07:21.53 | karsten | jair: NP |
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| 07:24.35 | psyche__ | hello |
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| 07:27.39 | hwdyki | doesn't work. :( |
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| 07:27.51 | hwdyki | is there a way to cross-install? |
| 07:28.03 | karsten | !tell hwdyki about chroot install |
| 07:28.31 | rahul | "start ruby"... oh boy. |
| 07:29.58 | karsten | rahul: My all-time favorite Debian question was from someone who'd just installed it. |
| 07:30.13 | karsten | "I entered 'root' and my password, now I see a '#'. |
| 07:30.25 | karsten | ... is it asking me for a registration number?" |
| 07:30.31 | pstickne | rahul, yay for ruby! ^^ |
| 07:30.32 | markybob | wow |
| 07:30.56 | rahul | karsten: heh |
| 07:31.15 | markybob | pstickne, doesnt that say it all about people who use ruby? ;) |
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| 07:31.23 | rahul | haha |
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| 07:31.34 | pstickne | markybob, surely not all! |
| 07:31.43 | markybob | :) |
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| 07:59.30 | deathnote | what's the version of debian when i see uname -r is showing 2.6.18? |
| 07:59.46 | deathnote | version as in is it sarge or woody or something? |
| 08:00.04 | swa_mobil | as in kernel |
| 08:00.08 | sep | deathnote, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:00.10 | pstickne | you can't tell with JUST that |
| 08:00.20 | sep | !version |
| 08:00.21 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 08:01.47 | deathnote | 3.1 is sarge? |
| 08:01.50 | streuner_ | yes |
| 08:01.58 | streuner_ | !sarge |
| 08:01.58 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 08:02.36 | deathnote | but when it says sarge, it can be different kernel right? |
| 08:02.50 | StarWars | normaly must be no problem my chat working with upgrade pkg |
| 08:03.04 | streuner_ | deathnote: nope |
| 08:03.48 | deathnote | i got 2 machines both /etc/debian_version says 3.1 .. but uname -r says 2.6.15-sk , and the other 2.6.18 |
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| 08:04.39 | streuner_ | show us the whole output of both machines (cat /proc/version) |
| 08:04.43 | JohnQ_ | hmm |
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| 08:05.42 | deathnote | Linux version 2.6.15-sk (root@torino) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #6 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 26 12:10:19 CEST 2006 |
| 08:05.50 | deathnote | Linux version 2.6.18 (root@chelsea) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Nov 7 12:11:48 SGT 2006 |
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| 08:07.28 | streuner_ | well, both kernels are custom kernel, the first one seems to be a patched version |
| 08:08.29 | deathnote | the reason i'm asking is because i'm suppose to duplicate/clone the first machine.. but i installed 2.6.18 and some things doesn't work |
| 08:09.27 | deathnote | what are custom kernel and patched version? what's the relationship between potato/sarge/woody and kernel? |
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| 08:10.26 | StarWars | how do i install php 5.2.1 i have now php 5.2.0-8 |
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| 08:11.09 | lotus-blade | how do you create a boot disk? |
| 08:11.46 | streuner_ | mkboot |
| 08:11.53 | lotus-blade | thanks |
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| 08:13.48 | geoaxis | I am trying to follow this guide : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 08:13.57 | geoaxis | If you see the document , I am getting problem when I start debootstrap : the error is => W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 08:16.27 | graytron | geoaxis: are you running debootstrap as non-root? |
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| 08:17.46 | StarWars | how i upgrade my php ? |
| 08:17.56 | litage | after i choose to boot linux in rEFIt on my MacBook Pro, the keyboard doesn't work until linux is nearly finished booting, which means i can't use the LILO prompt. is there a way to fix this? |
| 08:18.18 | streuner_ | StarWars: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 08:18.33 | StarWars | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-11 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 08:18.53 | streuner_ | !info php5 |
| 08:18.55 | StarWars | i whant php 5.2.1.x |
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| 08:19.03 | StarWars | !info php5 |
| 08:19.05 | dpkg | php5: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.0-8 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 08:19.14 | streuner_ | yeah, and i want 1.000.000 bucks ;-) |
| 08:19.39 | StarWars | i dont whant 5.2.0-8 ..is suck |
| 08:19.47 | deathnote | how does my machine choose which kernel to boot up if i got two? if i don't have grub or lilo |
| 08:19.53 | StarWars | Stable PHP versions: 5.2.1 |
| 08:20.19 | pinx | StarWars: depends what version of Deb you're using |
| 08:20.27 | deathnote | i saw a boot.b -> boot-menu.b in my /boot but boot-menu.b doesn't exist |
| 08:20.29 | SlayerXP | StarWars: saying one specific version of php sucks is rather like saying one turd is more full of shit than another. |
| 08:20.49 | pinx | StarWars: Sarge has php4 in apt-get - etch has php5 |
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| 08:24.47 | geoaxis | graytron, no i am running as root |
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| 08:25.29 | itchi | "Dear PHP, |
| 08:25.29 | itchi | It's over between us. You can keep the kitchen sink, but I want my MVC. |
| 08:25.36 | itchi | buerk php :-p |
| 08:25.47 | itchi | A quote of the Turbogears book :-) |
| 08:25.51 | streuner_ | haha |
| 08:25.54 | vlt | Hello. What is the complement option to "dpkg -L packagename" when I want to know which pkg a file belongs to? |
| 08:26.15 | SlayerXP | vlt: -S |
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| 08:26.34 | vlt | SlayerXP: Thanks |
| 08:26.43 | StarWars | how i open php-5.2.1.tar.bz2 ? |
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| 08:26.53 | StarWars | tar zxvf unzip gunzip ? |
| 08:27.13 | SlayerXP | StarWars: the same way you unpack any other .tar.bz2 file |
| 08:27.14 | itchi | StarWars: Maybe take a look to the 'unp' tool |
| 08:27.15 | streuner_ | you running unstable and don't know how to open a simple bz2 file? |
| 08:27.21 | pinx | StarWars: man tar |
| 08:27.32 | StarWars | lol |
| 08:27.36 | geoaxis | graytron, I am still getting the same error : W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 08:27.39 | StarWars | tell me the command |
| 08:27.43 | itchi | StarWars: unp is perfect for lazy guys haha :-p |
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| 08:27.54 | SlayerXP | StarWars: no, you can't make me. |
| 08:28.05 | pinx | StarWars: this is a help channel - we don't actually "do" it for you |
| 08:28.27 | swa_mobil | man tar | grep bzip |
| 08:28.37 | SlayerXP | StarWars: what you're effectively asking is "please help me turn my 'server' into a menance to the rest of the internet" |
| 08:28.44 | itchi | StarWars: Look to /msg dpkg tar ;-) |
| 08:29.07 | StarWars | swa_mobil is the best |
| 08:29.18 | itchi | !tar |
| 08:29.18 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 08:29.19 | pinx | StarWars: if you have trouble with man tar you have bigger issues than PHP |
| 08:29.24 | itchi | StarWars: Lazy guy :-) |
| 08:29.26 | swa_mobil | heh |
| 08:29.32 | graytron | geoaxis: check the debootstrap logs under debootsrap dir (under /mnt/debinst/debootstrap i suppose) |
| 08:30.14 | StarWars | itchi i dont sleep for 38 hours |
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| 08:30.34 | itchi | StarWars: You see, that's not yet *good* :-) |
| 08:30.43 | StarWars | tar xjf |
| 08:30.45 | streuner_ | StarWars: Do you think its clever running a server on unstable? |
| 08:30.47 | StarWars | you play now |
| 08:30.47 | geoaxis | ahh , dam ubuntu, no ar command |
| 08:30.51 | swa_mobil | StarWars, man sleep |
| 08:31.09 | itchi | StarWars: ... and running sid in general (without knowing about ...) |
| 08:31.09 | pinx | geoaxis: try #ubuntu |
| 08:31.12 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite geoaxis |
| 08:31.14 | StarWars | i will in 5 min ..must php install :) |
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| 08:32.09 | geoaxis | stunner_, well if that were the case then this docuemtnation should have said its only alid if run FROM debian |
| 08:32.11 | pinx | StarWars: I hope your server is only used by yourself |
| 08:32.23 | geoaxis | stunner : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 08:32.25 | swa_mobil | same answer man sleep gave: Reformatting sleep(1), please wait... |
| 08:33.57 | graytron | geoaxis: oh! set /sbin and /usr/sbin to your $PATH |
| 08:34.14 | graytron | geoaxis: s/set/add/ |
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| 08:35.51 | geoaxis | graytron, that wont work cause I dont have the binary of ar :S |
| 08:35.53 | cmh0101 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:38.37 | streuner_ | cmh0101: #beryl |
| 08:39.18 | cmh0101 | thanks |
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| 08:40.42 | corpcomp | I am having an issue with mysql 5 on a sarge box. To assist me in tracking down what the issue may be, can someone tell me why when I issue the command "mysqladmin processlist" I get the following error "mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 08:40.42 | corpcomp | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'" |
| 08:41.27 | graytron | try with -p |
| 08:41.35 | graytron | afair |
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| 08:43.24 | itchi | stoffell: Hey, just a little reminder that it's FOSDEM this weekend :-) |
| 08:43.35 | corpcomp | graytron: Why is that the case. I am trying to debug and IMAP auth issue that declars it can't connect to localhost on the sql server. |
| 08:45.39 | graytron | corpcomp: dunno. thought you were trying to connect without a password, which the server rejects |
| 08:46.10 | corpcomp | graytron: ok, thanks |
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| 08:48.00 | sep | after changing to kde, evolution has started to ask using pinentry-qt for my gpg passprase on each mail. how can i get back the evolution style passprase box? |
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| 08:51.27 | deathnote | help!!! if i made changes to my lilo.conf and it doesn't boot up because i set some things wrongly, how do i boot up now to revert? |
| 08:51.37 | deathnote | it says VFS please specify a correct root= somethingsomething..damn |
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| 08:52.29 | SillyG | what does alt+printscreen+b do? |
| 08:52.41 | corpcomp | I am wondering if someone can give me some kind of indication as to why I would be getting the following error: Feb 22 08:07:23 localhost amavis[1739]: (01739-02) connect_to_sql: unable to connect to DSN 'DBI:mysql:database=mail;host=127.0.0.1;port=3306': Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111) |
| 08:52.58 | corpcomp | this appears in the mail.log |
| 08:53.04 | concept10 | SillyG, do it and let us know |
| 08:53.08 | SillyG | lol |
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| 08:53.24 | SillyG | i dont have sysrq on :-/ |
| 08:54.49 | sep | deathnote, boot on floppy/cd mount your drives, chroot to them edit lilo and rerun lilo |
| 08:55.12 | sep | deathnote, can you not use grub ? it allow you to boot on a commandline if you screw up |
| 08:55.34 | e1z0 | ryc |
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| 09:02.01 | dromer | hmmz, still haven't got my soundcard to work, anybody any suggestions on how to proceed? |
| 09:02.08 | SillyG | alsa |
| 09:02.09 | SillyG | :) |
| 09:02.18 | dromer | alsaconf not getting it |
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| 09:02.55 | SillyG | can you see your soundcard in dmesg? |
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| 09:03.32 | deathnote | sep: can i run lilo again after i mount? |
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| 09:06.41 | SillyG | ehh it prolly wouldn't show up in there |
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| 09:06.50 | dromer | SillyG: hmm, not sure, it's in lspci though .. |
| 09:06.54 | SillyG | do an lspci to |
| 09:07.02 | dromer | :) |
| 09:07.05 | SillyG | what type of card is it? |
| 09:07.06 | dromer | 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02) |
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| 09:09.12 | deathnote | hi i need help with lilo..... |
| 09:09.16 | deathnote | anyone can help |
| 09:09.16 | dromer | SillyG: ^ |
| 09:09.31 | SillyG | a lot of ppl have that problem |
| 09:09.35 | SillyG | it seems |
| 09:09.45 | SillyG | from searching |
| 09:09.52 | SillyG | get a different sound card :) |
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| 09:10.09 | SillyG | im going to sleep |
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| 09:10.15 | dromer | bah |
| 09:10.15 | devin_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:11.04 | pinx | (21:54:03) sep: deathnote, boot on floppy/cd mount your drives, chroot to them edit lilo and rerun lilo |
| 09:11.07 | SlayerXP | devin_: you ask that here because you think we can help you install closed-source binary lumps ? |
| 09:11.28 | K|NgGh0sT | Hello, was wondering if I'm currently running a LVM, build on a 250 and a 300 gig drive... if I wanted to add 2 more drives and convert to a raid 05 lvm... can I do this without losing data? |
| 09:12.00 | deathnote | pinx: and so i did.. i mount the harddisk and edited lilo.conf |
| 09:12.03 | devin_ | SlayerXP i did have the intentions that someone would have an idea on what to do |
| 09:12.04 | deathnote | pinx: but i can't run lilo |
| 09:12.14 | deathnote | so it can't register in the MBR or something |
| 09:12.20 | SlayerXP | devin_: call the makers of UT2003 and ask them for support. |
| 09:12.53 | devin_ | hah |
| 09:14.10 | geo-rge | what do you mean 'hah'? |
| 09:14.14 | geo-rge | oh, I know! |
| 09:14.34 | geo-rge | "I do not have a license for the game but I DO have the media..." |
| 09:14.57 | yomm | What is the debian metapackage name for a complete X environment ? |
| 09:15.08 | geo-rge | x-window-system? |
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| 09:15.21 | geo-rge | that used to be it |
| 09:15.28 | litage | i have 2 nameservers listed in /etc/resolv.conf . the first one listed is now unavailable. the 2nd is up and running. however, all DNS queries fail. why wouldn't the 2nd nameserver be used? |
| 09:15.57 | geo-rge | reverse them, or drop the unavailable one... |
| 09:15.58 | geo-rge | OR |
| 09:16.07 | geo-rge | run a caching-only dns |
| 09:16.12 | devin_ | 8 == = D ~ ~ in geo-rge's face |
| 09:16.36 | geo-rge | devin_: and you think that would help your position? |
| 09:17.01 | deathnote | help pls |
| 09:17.16 | yomm | geo-rge : thx , I was having a hard time finding the right syntax , as for some reason I have no tab autocomplete on my debian install :/ |
| 09:17.23 | deathnote | i can make changes to lilo.conf now but i can't revert it because it doesn't run lilo |
| 09:17.43 | geo-rge | deathnote: you could run lilo yourself |
| 09:18.01 | geo-rge | in fact, that's what you should do... maybe you tried that... if so what happened |
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| 09:23.19 | geo-rge | yomm: you mean tab complete for apt-get install? |
| 09:24.27 | yomm | geo-rge : yes , I was reffering to that ! ( because i don't really like aptitude ) |
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| 09:25.37 | geo-rge | yomm: it'd be an intersting thing to add it |
| 09:26.04 | yomm | geo-rge : Tell me about it :) |
| 09:26.17 | yomm | : I,m looking inti that now :/ |
| 09:26.48 | yomm | but i'd thought I first search a bit before asking :) |
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| 09:30.30 | kryptoz | Hi guys |
| 09:30.32 | kryptoz | I ran a OS scan on one of our appswitch and it gave back some details .. which has this line "SInfo(V=4.11%P=i686-redhat-linux-gnu%D=2/22%Tm=45DD5D90%O=22%C=1%M=0001D7)" |
| 09:30.36 | kryptoz | what does this mean ? |
| 09:30.41 | kryptoz | what is SInfo ? |
| 09:30.47 | kon | hi, when i try to install a new keymap via dpkg-reconfigure console-data i get the message "Deferring virtual terminal setup until console accessible." and "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" |
| 09:30.58 | kon | also my /etc/console/ is empty |
| 09:31.15 | K|NgGh0sT | anyone an LVM+Raid expert? |
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| 09:32.26 | geo-rge | K|NgGh0sT: not lvm... not raid... |
| 09:32.29 | geo-rge | and not expert :) |
| 09:32.35 | geo-rge | hmm, oops! |
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| 09:33.10 | geo-rge | I've heard lvm is more solid on a raid |
| 09:33.34 | geo-rge | esp. a real hardware raid |
| 09:34.01 | deathnote | ok |
| 09:34.31 | deathnote | my machine is running on a kernel that is 2.6.18 .. in /boot i found that it had 2.6.15-sk .. how do i configure it |
| 09:34.44 | GutterPunk | I still have problems booting my debian system. I use software raid 1 for the /boot partition, and raid 5 for the / partition. I've chrooted into the debian install and setup grub on the mbr of all drives. I'm assuming this should at least give me the grub menu. But unfortunately it fails with "Error 2" Apparently meaning as much as file not found. |
| 09:34.51 | deathnote | because i did in lilo and when it boot to 2.6.15-sk it goes into a Kernel panic message and jam there |
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| 09:35.08 | sep | geo-rge, i usualy do lvm on hardware raid, but lvm on software raid ok too. but more complex to setup |
| 09:35.22 | GutterPunk | I'm hoping someone in here as a comparable setup and can help me finalize this installation. |
| 09:35.23 | geo-rge | ok, look in /boot |
| 09:35.30 | geo-rge | is the 2.6.18 there |
| 09:35.38 | pinx | GutterPunk: you only need one mbr |
| 09:35.39 | deathnote | yes its there |
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| 09:35.47 | geo-rge | its exact name? |
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| 09:36.04 | geo-rge | also is there an associated initrd |
| 09:36.12 | Arafangion | How do I do: find blah blah -exec rm \{\} \; |
| 09:36.14 | deathnote | vmlinuz-2.6.18 |
| 09:36.16 | GutterPunk | pinx, the reason I'm installing it on all mbr's is just in case one drive fails... |
| 09:36.17 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 09:36.17 | Arafangion | Where the file name contains spaces? |
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| 09:36.28 | deathnote | 2.6.18 is booting up fine |
| 09:36.36 | deathnote | but i want to boot in 2.6.15-sk |
| 09:36.36 | HardDisk_WP | does any utility for command line exists that makes me a directory tree? |
| 09:36.44 | pinx | GutterPunk: dangerous if they are not all exactly the same |
| 09:36.49 | geo-rge | why can;'t you? |
| 09:36.57 | geo-rge | it's failing? |
| 09:37.06 | deathnote | vmlinuz-2.6.15-sk System.map-2.6.15-sk is there except the init file |
| 09:37.10 | pinx | GutterPunk: and maybe dangerous anyway - it seems to be confusing on boot |
| 09:37.11 | deathnote | ohhhhhh |
| 09:37.18 | deathnote | init file is missing for 2.6.15-sk! |
| 09:37.19 | sep | K|NgGh0sT, , linux software raid is good performance, fake hardware raid is a pain you should avoid. real hardware raid (3ware and up) is as good as linux software raid, but with the added benefit of a less complex OS configuration, and real hotswap. |
| 09:37.26 | Garda | hey guys |
| 09:37.26 | deathnote | i only have initrd.img-2.6.18 |
| 09:37.34 | Garda | !Devicescape |
| 09:37.34 | sep | K|NgGh0sT, lvm on the top makes it flexible too. |
| 09:38.08 | deathnote | geo-rge: can i just copy the initrd,img-2.6.15-sk from another machine? |
| 09:38.13 | pinx | GutterPunk: try reducing to one mbr and see if that makes a difference |
| 09:38.41 | GutterPunk | pinx, I did but it shows the same error .. |
| 09:38.43 | K|NgGh0sT | well, I dont want hotswap, I dont care about that |
| 09:38.45 | geo-rge | no because the initrd is built on your machine when the .deb for the kernel image is installed |
| 09:38.54 | geo-rge | it figures out how your / is mounted |
| 09:39.01 | K|NgGh0sT | But, what I want to do, is convert my current LVM to raid5 without losing data |
| 09:39.07 | pinx | GutterPunk: try the single mbr on a different drive |
| 09:39.08 | geo-rge | and puts necessary modules in the initrd |
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| 09:39.23 | deathnote | geo-rge: what can i do now to have 2.6.15-sk now? |
| 09:39.32 | geo-rge | what's a sk? |
| 09:39.40 | GutterPunk | pinx, alright I'll do that. |
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| 09:40.23 | geo-rge | deathnote: do you have the .deb it's from? |
| 09:40.34 | deathnote | geo-rge: not sure..what i'm doing now is to duplicate a machien that is running on 2.6.15-sk .. |
| 09:41.00 | deathnote | geo-rge: i tried this 2.6.18 , some of my things doesn't run well.. |
| 09:41.13 | deathnote | geo-rge: can i use apt-get to install it>? |
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| 09:41.30 | geo-rge | but wait, what's a sk? |
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| 09:43.39 | deathnote | some modified kernel i guess |
| 09:44.03 | geo-rge | from what/where? |
| 09:44.53 | geo-rge | plus maybe you could also work on getting 2.6.18 to work on your things better |
| 09:45.28 | geo-rge | if you work on both of those, the first one that works can be the one you live with for awhile |
| 09:47.44 | Garda | does anyone know when devicescape's wifi stack was added to the kernel that ships with etch? |
| 09:48.27 | K|NgGh0sT | guess no one knows |
| 09:48.29 | K|NgGh0sT | I'll ask later |
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| 09:53.22 | cmh0101_ | Synaptic thinks that my computer is runnig i386 when it has the lastes kernel and is running i686 how can i change this so i can install programs in Add/Remove? |
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| 09:56.48 | samfreed | When will we se a ekrnel update? The ipw3945 drivrer ? |
| 09:57.25 | itchi | samfreed: It's already in the .18 |
| 09:57.51 | samfreed | i mean the 2.6.20, in unstable |
| 09:58.03 | stew | samfreed: after etch releases |
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| 09:58.16 | samfreed | which is when? |
| 09:58.17 | itchi | Petrov: :-p |
| 09:58.25 | stew | samfreed: /msg dpk wwer |
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| 09:58.55 | stew | samfreed: one of the big things holding up etch is waiting for the the current sid 2.6.18 to transition to etch, which can't happen righ tnow since it has RC bugs |
| 09:58.57 | samfreed | ?? impolite question? |
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| 09:59.06 | stew | !wwer |
| 09:59.06 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 09:59.15 | Petrov | itchi: hoi |
| 09:59.28 | itchi | Petrov: FOSDEM weekend! :-) |
| 09:59.39 | Petrov | itchi: :p |
| 09:59.46 | itchi | Petrov: X is fixed now? |
| 10:00.14 | itchi | Petrov: I have miss you yesterday on #debian-nl, was a bit bussy :-s |
| 10:00.26 | Petrov | itchi: not fixed |
| 10:00.42 | itchi | Petrov: We fix it on #debian-nl? |
| 10:00.53 | Petrov | itchi: oké |
| 10:01.06 | HardDisk_WP | how do I change default browser from Konquereor to Icedove? |
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| 10:02.40 | sabayonuser_ | i want to setup a kde/beryl/aiglx system, any disadvantage to using debian over ubuntu? |
| 10:03.09 | itchi | sabayonuser_: Beryl runs fine here on my Etch box :-) |
| 10:03.59 | sabayonuser_ | itchi: any issues with installing the nvidia drivers, setting up aiglx or installing beryl? |
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| 10:05.48 | itchi | sabayonuser_: I have a intel gfx card here |
| 10:05.56 | sabayonuser_ | itchi: ah ok... |
| 10:06.49 | itchi | sabayonuser_: But ask on #beryl maybe? I had also a little trouble to set my xorg, there was a module that i may not be load |
| 10:07.03 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, which package is beryl? |
| 10:07.27 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache search beryl :-) |
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| 10:08.11 | ktwilight_ | none found :( |
| 10:08.20 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:~/dyndns-updater$ apt-cache search beryl |
| 10:08.21 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:~/dyndns-updater$ |
| 10:08.21 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.27 | HardDisk_WP | nothing... |
| 10:08.36 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, does it need a special APT repository? |
| 10:09.48 | fireba11 | HardDisk_WP: might be part of another package |
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| 10:10.37 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Ow, yeah :-p See /msg dpkg beryl :-) |
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| 10:11.00 | HardDisk_WP | fireba11, i dunno...btw, i managed my mailfilter stuff, i let thunderbird do this |
| 10:11.20 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: I had first use that last link there in that factoid, but these packages are many older as these of the topic of #beryl |
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| 10:12.00 | C3nturion | g' morning guys |
| 10:12.12 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, k |
| 10:12.16 | C3nturion | i wish to install debian |
| 10:12.45 | C3nturion | anyone could give the link of iso of testing version with kde? |
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| 10:13.24 | itchi | !debian |
| 10:13.25 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 10:13.30 | itchi | woooaaa :-p |
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| 10:14.17 | stew | C3nturion: http;//debian.org/devel/debian-installer ; youd have to use a daily build |
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| 10:14.37 | fireba11 | stew : ?? |
| 10:14.49 | fireba11 | HardDisk_WP: that's one way to do it i guess ^^ |
| 10:15.01 | stew | fireba11: !?! |
| 10:15.15 | C3nturion | what is a daily build |
| 10:15.17 | C3nturion | ? |
| 10:15.25 | HardDisk_WP | fireba11, yap |
| 10:16.13 | fireba11 | stew : why you told C3nturionto use a daily ?? |
| 10:16.20 | fireba11 | C3nturion: any installer will do |
| 10:16.41 | stew | fireba11: becuase rc1 is broken and there is no rc2 yet |
| 10:16.59 | stew | fireba11: and last i looked weeklies weren't built yet |
| 10:17.00 | fireba11 | stew oh .. he wanted testing .. |
| 10:17.28 | stew | C3nturion: the top of that page "To install etch, you can use one of these daily built images " |
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| 10:20.13 | chronographer | hi all, i want to play a game i installed as root and it wont let me (permission denied) can i fix this with chown ?? |
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| 10:20.50 | chronographer | i installed to /usr/local/games/ja2 |
| 10:21.18 | C3nturion | tnx stew |
| 10:21.31 | C3nturion | but if i want to use kde |
| 10:21.53 | C3nturion | must i install it after the installation of debian |
| 10:21.54 | C3nturion | ? |
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| 10:22.36 | chronographer | get kde install disk |
| 10:22.54 | chronographer | it has debian preconfigured to use kde |
| 10:22.54 | C3nturion | ook |
| 10:23.28 | chronographer | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:23.45 | chronographer | donw the bottom, cutting edge (almost) |
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| 10:24.08 | chronographer | u are 386 i presume |
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| 10:26.40 | C3nturion | yes |
| 10:26.51 | C3nturion | a centrino |
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| 10:27.59 | C3nturion | hey guys i'm downloading the first dvd |
| 10:28.17 | josep | what about |
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| 10:28.35 | C3nturion | do i need to download the second third too...you know i need of some package for wireless tool |
| 10:29.09 | fireba11 | C3nturion: any reason you're not using netinstall ? |
| 10:29.28 | C3nturion | i have a bad wireless connection |
| 10:29.29 | itchi | fireba11: wireless tools it's looks |
| 10:31.17 | ebw | bugs.debian.org seems to be down ? |
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| 10:31.55 | manuconnexion | hello some one allready installed tinyerp soft on debian ? |
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| 10:32.13 | itchi | ebw: Apparently |
| 10:33.19 | manuconnexion | no? |
| 10:33.48 | C3nturion | guys |
| 10:34.11 | C3nturion | is they a way to make debian faster |
| 10:34.13 | C3nturion | ? |
| 10:34.25 | C3nturion | is there a way to make debian faster? |
| 10:34.27 | fireba11 | d3quit asking stupid questions |
| 10:34.30 | fireba11 | C3nturion |
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| 10:34.39 | ebw | C3nturiuon: Install Vista:-D |
| 10:34.49 | C3nturion | never |
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| 10:35.00 | C3nturion | i've just decided to install linux |
| 10:35.03 | J720-ARM | Raid or faster CPU,more memory etc |
| 10:35.04 | Gathond | C3nturion: add memory/CPU/whatever limits the speed:) |
| 10:35.05 | ebw | C3nturion: this was a joke. What do you mean by faster? |
| 10:35.07 | C3nturion | Winshit nevermore |
| 10:35.10 | fireba11 | ebw : he asked about FASTER not bloated and slow |
| 10:35.21 | C3nturion | some friend of mine |
| 10:35.26 | C3nturion | told me that |
| 10:35.28 | C3nturion | gentoo |
| 10:35.35 | ebw | C3nturion: Do ye mean the bootup sequence? |
| 10:35.36 | fireba11 | !tell C3nturionabout enter |
| 10:35.39 | C3nturion | is the fastest just because u insatll it |
| 10:35.39 | itchi | C3nturion: Man! My brand new laptop is at least 3 time faster with GNU/Linux as with MS stuff |
| 10:35.41 | fireba11 | ups |
| 10:36.01 | ebw | !tell ebw about enter |
| 10:36.27 | cahoot | itchi: really? |
| 10:36.28 | fireba11 | C3nturion: the gentoo compiling orgy gets you about 3% if you do everything right ... and you loos about 5% if you mess up |
| 10:36.45 | C3nturion | ah ok |
| 10:36.47 | itchi | cahoot: Yeah, believe it or not :-) |
| 10:36.54 | C3nturion | so it's abullshit |
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| 10:37.14 | ebw | C3nturion: Hmm you only don't notice it. |
| 10:37.22 | fireba11 | C3nturion: main reason for gentoo to do all that compiling isn't speed but it's to have everythign fit neatly together |
| 10:37.23 | C3nturion | you know he told me" if u want performance install gentoo" |
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| 10:37.33 | C3nturion | ah ok |
| 10:37.33 | Ramattack | hi debianers |
| 10:37.38 | itchi | cahoot: That preinstalled XP is soooo slow compared to Debian. And i can not imagine when all the stuff will be multi-treat for my duo-core |
| 10:37.39 | Ramattack | one question |
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| 10:37.47 | C3nturion | tnx fireb11 |
| 10:37.55 | chronographer | Hello i haev an old game and it has no sound |
| 10:38.01 | thomas__ | !tell thomas__ about enter |
| 10:38.04 | C3nturion | ok once installed debian |
| 10:38.05 | Ramattack | how could it be that with a kernel-2.6.20 my machine to detect serial ports but not able to be used them? |
| 10:38.12 | vorsprung | C3nturion, I think the point is that if you have a special requirement and you really know what you are doing by recompiling a load of stuff you can get that last few percent |
| 10:38.16 | C3nturion | i 'll try to make the boot faster |
| 10:38.16 | chronographer | apparently OSS might work but when i switch to it it wont play a test sound |
| 10:38.23 | Ramattack | I'm using this kernel because I need it for my proliant server |
| 10:38.24 | itchi | thomas__: See /msg dpkg selftell ;-) |
| 10:38.27 | chronographer | do i need to apt-get anything for oss to work? |
| 10:38.39 | C3nturion | i want a fast bootloading |
| 10:38.53 | cahoot | chronographer: what version of debian/kernel? |
| 10:38.55 | C3nturion | and i don't want to wait 5 min to open openoffice |
| 10:39.02 | C3nturion | ;) |
| 10:39.04 | C3nturion | you know |
| 10:39.09 | chronographer | er.. 2.6.18 or so |
| 10:39.16 | C3nturion | i've installed a mandriva |
| 10:39.20 | C3nturion | and i don't like it |
| 10:39.22 | cahoot | chronographer: so you use alsa? |
| 10:39.28 | chronographer | yep |
| 10:39.37 | chronographer | the game jagged alliance 2 is a bit old |
| 10:39.38 | C3nturion | it doesn't give me a snse of stability |
| 10:39.46 | itchi | C3nturion: Use the right stuff ;-) |
| 10:39.53 | C3nturion | i don want to reboot and any crashes anymore |
| 10:39.54 | chronographer | and there is no sound at all, googled and someone says oss should work |
| 10:39.59 | cahoot | chronographer: alsas oss emulation module is called snd-pcm-oss |
| 10:40.02 | itchi | rigth stuff could be Debian for example :-p |
| 10:40.10 | Ramattack | has anybody seen please something similar? |
| 10:40.10 | C3nturion | ehhe i get it |
| 10:40.11 | C3nturion | :) |
| 10:40.16 | chronographer | ok think that might help? |
| 10:40.26 | C3nturion | Winshit ANYMORE |
| 10:40.36 | cahoot | chronographer: *might* is the crucial word |
| 10:40.47 | chronographer | =) |
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| 10:41.11 | chronographer | its not a package |
| 10:41.18 | cahoot | chronographer: look for a file called ALSA-Configuration.txt - and read it |
| 10:41.31 | chronographer | my sound works fine generally |
| 10:41.34 | C3nturion | the only probelm for a newbie |
| 10:41.37 | chronographer | just this one game |
| 10:42.12 | cahoot | chronographer: if you can do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp you have alsas oss emulation running |
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| 10:42.31 | ebw | C3nturion: I would suggest you to install debian testing. Its not released now, but I think it's ok and you get lots of modern software kernel 2.6.18, alsa 1.0.13 and so on |
| 10:42.43 | C3nturion | yes ebw |
| 10:42.50 | C3nturion | i'm just downloading it |
| 10:42.50 | cahoot | chronographer: else modprobe snd-pcm-oss and test again |
| 10:42.56 | ebw | c3nturion: my brand new mcp51 nvidia sound card works, Hey it's cool |
| 10:43.00 | MarcoPau | can I tell wget to only download recursively the last directory of the path I gave under a certain http:// address? |
| 10:43.10 | C3nturion | yes but i have an ATI |
| 10:43.12 | chronographer | module not found |
| 10:43.15 | C3nturion | not a nVidia |
| 10:43.17 | C3nturion | :)ehehe |
| 10:43.19 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'm looking for a tuto for installing a raid 1 on sid, do you have any good link ? |
| 10:43.40 | cahoot | chronographer: not a debianmade kernel? |
| 10:43.42 | chronographer | nvm thanks anyway i will google a bit more |
| 10:43.47 | chronographer | its debian kernel |
| 10:43.53 | chronographer | maybe its loaded already |
| 10:43.58 | ebw | C3nturion: Maybe there are a lot of people with ati cards and so there are people, that can help you :) |
| 10:44.05 | chronographer | cat: write error: No space left on device is what your code returnced |
| 10:44.10 | C3nturion | i hope |
| 10:44.21 | C3nturion | the first thing is the stability |
| 10:44.34 | MarcoPau | if I just wget -r it'll download the whole directory tree of the website all empty, but the final directory of the path I gave it |
| 10:44.55 | fireba11 | MarcoPau: of course |
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| 10:45.11 | C3nturion | the possibility to install most used package of filesharing , networking tool(you know i have a wireless connection) |
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| 10:45.27 | C3nturion | that's all |
| 10:45.40 | chronographer | wireless was pretty tricky for me to install i got a belkin |
| 10:45.42 | ebw | C3nturion: A Laptop? |
| 10:45.48 | C3nturion | yes:( |
| 10:45.54 | chronographer | my lappy worked ootb |
| 10:45.56 | ebw | C3nturion: np with that |
| 10:46.11 | chronographer | just get etch testing and be done with it |
| 10:46.16 | MarcoPau | fireba11: I know there's -nd, but I fear it will not download the subdirectories of the one I gave it |
| 10:46.17 | chronographer | with xfce |
| 10:46.19 | chronographer | =) |
| 10:46.23 | ebw | C3nturion: Since it is a laptop, the installer will most likely have drivers for the wlan card, so you can do a netinst |
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| 10:46.38 | C3nturion | ebw |
| 10:46.49 | C3nturion | my connection is not so good |
| 10:46.53 | itchi | C3nturion: Which card have you? |
| 10:47.12 | josep | v'sa |
| 10:47.14 | J720-ARM | you stealing WiFi C3nturion :P |
| 10:47.17 | josep | :p |
| 10:47.22 | josep | visa visa |
| 10:47.25 | josep | :DDDDDDdd |
| 10:47.30 | ebw | C3nturion: To use amule or something like that you need a direct connection to the internet or control about your router, as you need to accept incoming conections |
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| 10:48.36 | C3nturion | eheh intel pro wireless 2200 bg |
| 10:50.01 | C3nturion | i've made a partition of 11 gb |
| 10:50.45 | itchi | C3nturion: Take a look to these 'ipw2200*' packages, your card should be not a problem i think. I have a ipw3945 and work like a charm here |
| 10:51.09 | itchi | C3nturion: The / ? |
| 10:51.37 | C3nturion | sorry itchi |
| 10:51.44 | C3nturion | i don't understand |
| 10:51.50 | chronographer | he means root |
| 10:52.00 | chronographer | where you install the main system |
| 10:52.10 | chronographer | you need a swap partition too |
| 10:52.16 | C3nturion | yes i know |
| 10:52.28 | chronographer | / == root |
| 10:52.29 | itchi | C3nturion: Yup /, root :-) |
| 10:52.31 | C3nturion | i have 1 gb swap paretion and a root partition of 11 gb |
| 10:52.42 | C3nturion | ok i get sorry itchi :) |
| 10:53.19 | itchi | C3nturion: Take 2x the quantity of you RAM for the swap. If you have 512MB RAM, take 1024 of swap |
| 10:53.33 | petemc | ... |
| 10:53.37 | C3nturion | ok |
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| 10:56.28 | itchi | Gona play a bit, aka turbogears :-p |
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| 10:58.22 | cubiq | I need someone to help me with some info regarding the linux boot sequence := |
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| 10:59.10 | ebw | are there any GUIs for dict? |
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| 11:00.17 | Muisje | What was the command again to see which folders/files are taking up all my harddrive space? |
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| 11:00.36 | streuner_ | df |
| 11:00.43 | streuner_ | or man du |
| 11:00.51 | J720-ARM | cubic ask question and someone may answer ,if not read http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html#toc2 |
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| 11:01.27 | streuner_ | ebw: ding |
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| 11:01.39 | streuner_ | !info ding |
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| 11:01.42 | dpkg | ding: (Graphical dictionary lookup program for Unix (Tk)), section text, is optional. Version: 1.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
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| 11:02.32 | streuner_ | ebw: 'ding' provides a dict. for english<>german |
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| 11:03.23 | ebw | streuner: thx |
| 11:03.39 | streuner_ | its a own package... |
| 11:03.39 | fireba11 | "ding" ?? haha |
| 11:03.45 | Muisje | those aren't the command i was looking for |
| 11:04.07 | geoaxis | I am getting this error "Terminated" when i run /usr/sbin/base-config new ; in /var/log/base-config.timings I have few lines of "openpty failed" |
| 11:04.13 | streuner_ | !info trans-de-en |
| 11:04.21 | dpkg | trans-de-en: (A German-English translation dictionary), section text, is optional. Version: 1.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2218 kB, Installed size: 7308 kB |
| 11:04.29 | Muisje | someone gave me a real neat one which really allowed me to show each directory and counted the filesize inside the directory so i could just cd myself into the hd space eating directory |
| 11:04.57 | Muisje | I really should've wrote it down... |
| 11:04.58 | J720-ARM | Muisje, http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/du1.html |
| 11:05.17 | geoaxis | Muisje, du -sh should do the trick |
| 11:05.57 | streuner_ | Muisje: what's wrong with 'du -h <folder>'? |
| 11:06.27 | C3nturion | hey guys |
| 11:06.41 | Muisje | it's showing subdirectorys... i just want to see the directory size which is on the path i give |
| 11:06.47 | Muisje | not it's subdirectorys |
| 11:06.56 | C3nturion | what kind of desktop do you suggest for a laptop? |
| 11:07.09 | streuner_ | how much RAM? |
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| 11:07.35 | geoaxis | how can I select the fastest mirror for my current connection (for debian packages) |
| 11:07.37 | itchi | Muisje: As GUI tool, i like the 'filelight' http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/filelight.jpg |
| 11:07.54 | geoaxis | is there any mirror selection utility.... |
| 11:08.11 | Muisje | itchi, i don't run a GUI on a server ;) |
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| 11:09.02 | itchi | Muisje: No problem, mount that remote fs (with sshfs) and use it on that mounted partition :-p |
| 11:09.05 | geoaxis | Muisje : you can always mount your server _drive_ on your GUI based Desktop and RUN filelight |
| 11:10.09 | Muisje | i'll try to be more specific: when i do du -h /var/ it is also showing me subdirectorys, i just want to see which directory contains alot of files, i don't wanna see all the subdirs cause that is making it impossible to read. |
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| 11:10.15 | itchi | Muisje: But your right, cli apps are mostly so nice :-) |
| 11:10.43 | Muisje | itchi i had a command for it once but i was too stupid to write it down and now i forgot the command... |
| 11:11.02 | hark | du -sh ? |
| 11:11.09 | J720-ARM | du -sh give no subs |
| 11:11.23 | itchi | Muisje: use the -s ;-) |
| 11:11.24 | Muisje | i only want to see depth of 1 directory... |
| 11:11.27 | geoaxis | Muisje : well you can use du -sh [a-z]* (for instance) |
| 11:11.39 | itchi | Muisje: du --help :-) |
| 11:11.42 | Muisje | i'll pastebin :p |
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| 11:12.24 | geoaxis | or du -sh .[a-z]* (if you want the . directories |
| 11:12.33 | J720-ARM | -h is human readable and -s is no sub dir |
| 11:12.36 | geoaxis | or put a regexp of your choice |
| 11:12.54 | itchi | J720-ARM: -s, --summarize display only a total for each argument |
| 11:13.31 | geoaxis | J720-ARM , we just want few numbers here |
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| 11:13.47 | Muisje | -s removes any subdirectorys and when you use -s it will do only /var/ |
| 11:14.11 | Muisje | http://pastebin.com/886470 <- hope my pastebin makes any sense |
| 11:14.32 | J720-ARM | sorry capital S lol -S, --separate-dirs |
| 11:14.32 | J720-ARM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:15.50 | Muisje | I do want the size of subdirectorys calculated in. But i don't want to get all subdirectorys printed, only the parent directorys who are subdirectorys of /var, i don't wanna see the subdirectorys of the subdirectorys.... |
| 11:15.52 | xored | iam running into problems installing DBI : http://pastebin.ca/367477 (sarge) |
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| 11:16.20 | itchi | Muisje: --max-depth=N ?? |
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| 11:16.56 | itchi | Muisje: Maybe have you not take a look to the du --help ?? |
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| 11:17.05 | geoaxis | Muusje : do slocate * | xargs du -sh | grep [0-9][0-9]M |
| 11:17.06 | Muisje | thats better |
| 11:17.10 | Muisje | thx itchi |
| 11:17.22 | itchi | Muisje: :-p |
| 11:17.25 | geoaxis | (this was so evil) |
| 11:17.28 | itchi | :-) |
| 11:17.43 | geoaxis | abuse of xargs and slocate |
| 11:17.53 | J720-ARM | :) |
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| 11:18.29 | Muisje | Nah, --max-depth=1 is what i needed. |
| 11:18.44 | geoaxis | any who I am still getting the same error when I do base-config |
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| 11:18.50 | geoaxis | ie Terminated |
| 11:18.52 | geoaxis | any ideas |
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| 11:19.06 | Muisje | . /var/log/mysql 3.0 gb ... yayyy don't we all just love mysql? :p |
| 11:19.22 | geoaxis | hehe |
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| 11:19.38 | geoaxis | Muisje : tell mysql not to log every thing |
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| 11:20.03 | Muisje | They should make a commercial for mysql: Do you have to much hard drive space? Well don't wait, Run MySQL Now! |
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| 11:20.17 | g333k_laptop | !w32codecs |
| 11:20.17 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 11:20.17 | Enquest | are there bugs with debian and django mysql4.1 |
| 11:20.32 | geoaxis | Muisje : MySQL 3 gb db is nothing |
| 11:20.36 | itchi | !teell g333k_laptop -about selftell |
| 11:20.38 | itchi | oeps |
| 11:20.42 | itchi | !tell g333k_laptop -about selftell |
| 11:20.48 | g333k_laptop | itchi, :$ |
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| 11:21.21 | itchi | g333k_laptop: You gona love the bot more as your wife :-p |
| 11:22.31 | Muisje | Omg, itchi your from belgium? |
| 11:22.31 | itchi | Muisje: :-p |
| 11:22.32 | J720-ARM | Is is going to nag him all day then LOL |
| 11:22.49 | itchi | Muisje: Let me devine, you from .nl :-) |
| 11:23.05 | Muisje | Correct ;) passes a cookie to itchi |
| 11:23.10 | itchi | Muisje: Us have #debian-nl also ;-) |
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| 11:23.49 | itchi | Muisje: I'm always on that -nl too ;-) |
| 11:23.56 | Muisje | Yeah, but i really like this channel, in sublanguage channels it either takes forever to get a response or there is never anyone there. |
| 11:24.06 | g333k_laptop | itchi, I do |
| 11:24.32 | itchi | Muisje: We are with 11 right now |
| 11:24.52 | ktwilight | no kidding |
| 11:24.56 | itchi | Muisje: If you not come, like others not do it, we get never much people there ;-) |
| 11:25.05 | itchi | ktwilight: :-p |
| 11:25.06 | cubiq | I have a root filesystem which I normally comporess to a cramfs.img and uses as initrd image in grub. Now I want to boot my system without comressing the root filesystem to a cramfs.img for debugging purposes but I don't know how to change grub to ignore the cram.img and boot directly from the uncompopressed root filesystem |
| 11:25.10 | ktwilight | :) |
| 11:25.15 | itchi | ktwilight: FOSDEM this weekend :-) |
| 11:25.19 | ktwilight | FOSDEM? |
| 11:25.21 | ktwilight | what's that? |
| 11:25.35 | ktwilight | o |
| 11:25.38 | itchi | ktwilight: See topic ;-) |
| 11:25.40 | ktwilight | the one in brussels? |
| 11:25.44 | ktwilight | gah |
| 11:25.46 | itchi | ktwilight: yup yup :-) |
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| 11:25.58 | ktwilight | you going? |
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| 11:26.12 | itchi | ktwilight: Sure! |
| 11:26.30 | itchi | ktwilight: I'm just fighting between Debian and Python :-s gggrrr |
| 11:26.40 | ktwilight | there's one for python? |
| 11:26.48 | itchi | ktwilight: Yeah :-) |
| 11:26.53 | ktwilight | no kidding |
| 11:27.07 | ktwilight | not PyCon or the one in lithuania is it? |
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| 11:27.22 | itchi | ktwilight: I dunno about that |
| 11:27.29 | ktwilight | which one do you know? |
| 11:27.35 | itchi | Here's the devrooms http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devrooms |
| 11:27.36 | Muisje | Anyway, after reading the my.cnf i noticed i ruined the log rotation a while ago. Now i fixed it so mysql shouldn't be sucking up my hd space again. |
| 11:27.53 | ktwilight | oh... |
| 11:28.20 | Ramattack | +hi everybody |
| 11:28.30 | itchi | ktwilight: You need to come! :-p |
| 11:28.37 | ktwilight | yea.. |
| 11:28.39 | ktwilight | sunday looks good! |
| 11:29.01 | Ramattack | could anybody tell me if a serial mouse works on my serial ports we could say the serial port is properly configured and any hardware would work on it? |
| 11:29.02 | Ramattack | like an ups monitor for example? |
| 11:30.01 | petemc | Ramattack: that would certainly be a good indication that the serial port is functioning |
| 11:30.30 | itchi | ktwilight: Look to the planning ;-) |
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| 11:30.52 | Ramattack | ok then... yesterday didn't worked to me the conection with my ups mge... and have tried the port with a serial mouse... for discarding port detection... |
| 11:30.58 | Ramattack | I see kernel detects... |
| 11:31.13 | Ramattack | but have tried it with a serial mouse and goes too... |
| 11:31.22 | Ramattack | so it should be something in ups... |
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| 11:31.27 | Ramattack | I suppose... |
| 11:32.00 | Ramattack | because another thing... when you compile a new kernel... what should you enable for supporting capabilities? |
| 11:32.39 | ebw | I have an entry for gdict in aptitude, but I can't find it in packages.debian.org? What's wrong? |
| 11:32.51 | Ramattack | could this have something to do with this ups undetection=? |
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| 11:35.34 | ebw | hmm all dict clients mentioned on dict.org have vanished, whats going on ? |
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| 11:39.31 | Muisje | +b? :) |
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| 11:40.20 | Muisje | no chanop awake? |
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| 11:42.26 | itchi | Looks like a freenode server trouble?? |
| 11:42.41 | itchi | ow no |
| 11:42.48 | Muisje | Looks like annoying botnets |
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| 11:42.59 | hark | yes, again |
| 11:43.05 | itchi | !ops Some weird things happend |
| 11:43.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: itchi complains about: Some weird things happend |
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| 11:44.23 | Muisje | itchi, i informed a freenode staff member |
| 11:44.31 | itchi | Muisje: oki |
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| 11:44.45 | itchi | denny: ho ho ho ;-) |
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| 11:44.49 | Ramattack | anybody know where is the capalibites module= |
| 11:44.49 | infernix | say, how exactly do you get an unaffiliated/[nick] hostmask? |
| 11:44.51 | itchi | denny: Clean the stuff :-) |
| 11:44.51 | denny | itchi: hi |
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| 11:45.06 | denny | can't, network staff don't have auto-ops here |
| 11:45.08 | Muisje | infernix, register to services and then contact a staff member. |
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| 11:45.54 | Muisje | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration @ infernix |
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| 11:46.02 | infernix | thanks |
| 11:46.07 | itchi | Ohyeah, it's holliday for the kids :-s |
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| 11:47.29 | Muisje | denny, can't you just remove them from the server? |
| 11:47.36 | denny | I can't, no |
| 11:47.43 | denny | I'm trying to wake up someone with that level of big stick :) |
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| 11:47.52 | Muisje | Heh, ok. |
| 11:47.53 | denny | unfortunatley most of our senior ops seem to live on US time |
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| 11:48.24 | itchi | denny: Wait, i have a big one, these do some pain :-) |
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| 11:50.55 | Muisje | Some people really should grow up. |
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| 11:51.56 | itchi | Muisje: Yeah, i can not believe it that people loose his time with that :-s |
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| 11:53.58 | Ronin | !tell Krazy-J about away |
| 11:54.07 | itchi | Ronin: sh*t, you was to fast :-p |
| 11:54.09 | Ronin | fun fun fun already in #debian i see |
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| 11:54.31 | Ronin | itchi: all that coffee i had :) |
| 11:54.35 | itchi | Ronin: The kids have holliday :-( |
| 11:55.23 | g333k_laptop | Hello how can I see the spanish characters of my filenames well? |
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| 11:56.05 | itchi | g333k_laptop: You need to define the locale ? |
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| 11:57.20 | itchi | !locales |
| 11:57.20 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 11:57.22 | g333k_laptop | itchi, I want my system to work in english, but show me the correct spanish filenames that I usually use |
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| 11:58.17 | itchi | g333k_laptop: I dunno how to get that :-s |
| 11:58.57 | itchi | g333k_laptop: But i can say to avoid to use special chars, and mostly for files. You may be get some weird troubles at some stage i think |
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| 12:00.03 | janttsu | would it be possible to keep a log about when a disk is going to sleep and when it's spinning up? |
| 12:00.07 | g333k_laptop | itchi, maybe I cant specify something in /etc/fstab file? |
| 12:00.34 | Muisje | janttsu, wouldn't that require the disk to be spinning all time to write the log to? |
| 12:01.07 | itchi | g333k_laptop: I dunno |
| 12:01.25 | itchi | janttsu: Is that for a fs with journalling? |
| 12:02.17 | itchi | janttsu: A journalled fs flush his data every x time, maybe bad to spin the disk of |
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| 12:03.24 | JohnGH | Does anyone know of a channel on freenode that deals with spam blocking? |
| 12:04.32 | petemc | JohnGH: there are channels for the various MTAs, you could probably get some tips there |
| 12:04.35 | gulars_ | what do I need installed to use logitech webcams? |
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| 12:05.03 | JohnGH | OK, thanks petemc |
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| 12:06.08 | eJunky | can anybody tell me what happened to {bugs,wiki}.debian.org? |
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| 12:06.23 | itchi | gulars_: Plug and Play with it?? |
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| 12:06.42 | JohnGH | I'm particularly trying to find out if there is still a site that gives you the list of CIDR blocks that belong to a given AS number - I used to use http://isc.sans.org/aslookup.php?as= but it looks like it's gone :( |
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| 12:07.38 | itchi | gulars_: gqcam, camorama, camstream |
| 12:07.48 | gulars_ | thanks :D |
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| 12:09.08 | anapivirtua | hi all |
| 12:09.26 | janttsu | itchi: so if i don't need a journaling filesystem, what should i use then? ext2 ? |
| 12:09.41 | itchi | janttsu: Yup, ext2 |
| 12:10.29 | gulars_ | another thing that've annoyed me: my clock is one hour to fast |
| 12:10.53 | gulars_ | I've set the right timezone (oslo, norway), but it's one hour off |
| 12:10.55 | janttsu | itchi: last time i used the daily install cd i didn't find ext2 option .....? |
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| 12:11.16 | itchi | janttsu: Who use that?? :-) |
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| 12:11.29 | gulars_ | itchi: those are gnome packages? are there others I should use for kde? |
| 12:11.55 | itchi | gulars_: I dunno, i not have a webcam :-( |
| 12:12.01 | gulars_ | ok |
| 12:12.06 | gulars_ | thanks anyway :) |
| 12:12.14 | Thanatermesis | I have a problem with rsync, i have a exclude file where exclude for example the dir /usr, but i have a include file where i have the file /usr/local/bin, in other words, i don't want to rsync the /usr dir but only the /usr/local/bin dir... but that not works, nothing of the /usr is send, is that normal ? i have the same experience on other machine/config |
| 12:13.09 | itchi | janttsu: A little power failure and sh*t happend |
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| 12:13.25 | janttsu | itchi: no power failures here.. i have UPS :) |
| 12:14.15 | itchi | janttsu: A /hard/ crash, when you need to press the magic button give you also price |
| 12:14.44 | janttsu | but i want to spin down my disks sometimes ... :D |
| 12:14.45 | itchi | !kick Berk bad user need to goo |
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| 12:15.03 | itchi | f* |
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| 12:15.52 | Muisje | !kick ersan^^ Bot |
| 12:15.53 | gulars_ | about the time issue - might it be a summertime/wintertime issue? |
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| 12:17.04 | itchi | gulars_: Maybe the hardware clock is flashing? |
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| 12:25.23 | nescius | hello, may i ask about apt-get? i am a rather rpm fan, therefore i dont know apt-get too good, how do i get a list of installed packages? |
| 12:25.50 | Neverther | apt-cace |
| 12:25.53 | Coweater | dpkg -l |
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| 12:25.58 | Neverther | o ya |
| 12:26.11 | Coweater | (apt-get is a front-end to dpkg, as are aptitude and synaptic) |
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| 12:26.31 | J720-ARM | apt-cache :) |
| 12:27.04 | nescius | thanks, that could do the trick :) |
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| 12:28.19 | J720-ARM | i duno i am new to apt also LOL |
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| 12:29.55 | itchi | Ow, People can not join #debian ! |
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| 12:30.07 | J720-ARM | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ one for your bookmarks nescius |
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| 12:30.24 | itchi | That fucking bot is doing some more crap! |
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| 12:31.24 | itchi | We need urgently a staffer |
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| 12:31.49 | Ronin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:31.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ronin complains about: we have bot problems this morning |
| 12:31.58 | nescius | J720-ARM, i will not need this, as i said before i am rather a rpm fan, my favorite package tool is urpmi and then smart which runs on all my debian machines but this one |
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| 12:32.16 | itchi | Ronin: That f* script kiddie make to many noise :-( |
| 12:32.31 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:32.44 | itchi | pngwn: No problem, just people can not join us |
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| 12:33.17 | J720-ARM | i'll stick to apt as i am running embeded |
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| 12:34.15 | nescius | surre, its good when you can use what you are used for |
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| 12:36.01 | nescius | that bloody thing didnt found a network, ah crap! i am tired of this! almost every time i installing debian there is allways something, thats almost unique for this distro |
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| 12:36.38 | Ronin | nescius: so whats the problem? ive not been paying attention |
| 12:36.42 | nescius | and this should be called stable |
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| 12:36.53 | Ronin | apt-get kicks urpmi's butt by the way :) |
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| 12:37.30 | nescius | Ronin, no problem, i needed a list of installed packages in some of my servers |
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| 12:37.47 | Ronin | uh huh |
| 12:37.51 | nescius | Ronin, you wish! apt-get is for graphomaniacs |
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| 12:38.12 | nescius | Ronin, i already have those |
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| 12:38.21 | Ronin | uh ya, first off waht the hell is graphomaniacs? |
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| 12:38.33 | Ronin | nescius: iirc dpkg -l |
| 12:38.36 | ewanm89 | apt-get |
| 12:38.37 | nescius | ppl who write a lot |
| 12:38.43 | Bhaal | itchi: We are working on it |
| 12:38.50 | kon | ever heard of aliases? |
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| 12:39.16 | Ronin | so urpmi foo is easier then apt-get install foo? |
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| 12:40.07 | itchi | Bhaal: Great :-) |
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| 12:40.48 | Bhaal | Im assuming your talking about the clones messaging 'a' to people? |
| 12:41.01 | nescius | yes, i wrote one which is like urpmi > apt-get install, but it doesnt find packages as urpmi do when there is no such package, and i have to change almost entire command twice, when urpmi does it in one or two steps without any efford for writing anything |
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| 12:41.12 | nescius | *afford |
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| 12:41.19 | nescius | um, nevermid |
| 12:41.21 | nescius | : |
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| 12:41.27 | nescius | :-) |
| 12:41.37 | itchi | Bhaal: I talk about that f* script kiddie that join, change his nick and leave and make to many connections so that people not can join #debian |
| 12:41.42 | kon | what exactly are you trying to achieve nescius |
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| 12:42.08 | itchi | Bhaal: Maybe some more troubles?? |
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| 12:43.03 | Bhaal | itchi: Hrm... MOst people wont get the messages coz of the +e mode most people are using... So maybe I have no idea what your talking about, and cant help to much, best off finding another staffer :) |
| 12:43.37 | nescius | kon, i am only trying to install a firewall for two networks - wifi and isdn for our network of 20+ computers and some voip based phones, then make some qos for the phones.. |
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| 12:43.52 | itchi | Bhaal: I'm affraid that the ops can not join here :-s |
| 12:44.05 | MatBoy | !revance !! |
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| 12:44.09 | MatBoy | :P |
| 12:44.11 | kon | so what's the problem? |
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| 12:44.27 | MatBoy | kon, we must not leave here |
| 12:44.29 | Bhaal | There shouldnt be any problems at the moment, num of users is below channel limit |
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| 12:45.00 | nescius | kon, after installing from stable rescue cd, it cannot find any network at all, thru it worked durring the installation |
| 12:45.08 | simonrvn | what's this wit hthe spam bots joining and parting? |
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| 12:45.21 | Ronin | simonrvn: same shit different day :( |
| 12:45.25 | Bhaal | simonrvn: Messy, thats what it is |
| 12:45.30 | simonrvn | crap, really? |
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| 12:45.41 | simonrvn | indeed it is messy |
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| 12:45.48 | Ronin | simonrvn: /ignore joins, parts, quits #debian |
| 12:46.11 | simonrvn | meh, i hate resorting to that |
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| 12:46.43 | kon | nescius, invoke-rc.d networking start doesn't work? |
| 12:46.45 | itchi | Bhaal: Not yet working :-s |
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| 12:47.19 | itchi | Bhaal: I'm trying with another nick and still go to the overflow :-s |
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| 12:47.33 | yoda | BINGO! |
| 12:47.40 | yoda | It work again :-) |
| 12:47.46 | Bhaal | itchi: Is the other nick registered? |
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| 12:47.58 | itchi | Bhaal: That 'yoda' is just a test nick |
| 12:48.05 | Bhaal | right |
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| 12:48.29 | itchi | Bhaal: Looks again normal :-) Thanks mate :-) |
| 12:48.31 | nescius | ah invoke! i was looking for something simmiliar to service, but if is it same as /etc/init.d/networking start then the answer is no |
| 12:48.33 | itchi | !beer #debian |
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| 12:49.02 | kon | nescius, yes invoke-rc.d is just a wrapper script for /etc/init.d stuff |
| 12:49.17 | kon | so what's in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:49.19 | nescius | just like service in redhat based distros |
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| 12:49.30 | kon | and is the driver loaded for the network card? |
| 12:49.32 | vlt | Hello. What tool can I use to get info froma DNS server? I mean alls records (TTL, text records ...) not just nslookup's output? |
| 12:49.38 | vlt | from a* |
| 12:49.43 | kon | vlt, dig |
| 12:50.04 | vlt | kon: Thank you. |
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| 12:50.16 | tdn | I would like to use Debian Stable for a server that is acting as a load balancing switch. Can you point me to some good information on this? Do you have any experience using Debian for this. Please tell me about it. |
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| 12:50.46 | simonrvn | sarge + lartc.org |
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| 12:50.51 | itchi | Bhaal: Looks like he is still here ^ ?? |
| 12:50.54 | nescius | kon, the usual stuff, loopback, and eth0 with dhcp |
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| 12:51.11 | nescius | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 12:51.23 | kon | and dhcp does work? |
| 12:51.30 | kon | i mean is there a dhcp server? |
| 12:51.35 | nescius | yes |
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| 12:51.47 | kon | and eth0 is the expected interface? |
| 12:51.50 | nescius | it worked durring the installation |
| 12:51.54 | nescius | yes |
| 12:51.59 | kon | if so then try pump -i eth0 or dhclient eth0 |
| 12:52.08 | kon | see if it discovers something |
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| 12:52.36 | kon | if it doesnt then either the dhcp server doesnt work properly or there is a layer1 problem |
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| 12:52.54 | nescius | kon, hey! it worked :D |
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| 12:53.36 | HardDisk_WP | how do I sort processes in top by memory usage? |
| 12:53.40 | nescius | thank you very much |
| 12:53.43 | kon | nescius, cool! then i still am asking myself why /etc/init.d/networking start didnt do the trick |
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| 12:54.04 | nescius | HardDisk_WP, why dont try a htop? |
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| 12:54.24 | HardDisk_WP | marco@www:/etc/courier$ htop |
| 12:54.24 | HardDisk_WP | -bash: htop: command not found |
| 12:54.38 | nescius | install it |
| 12:54.44 | nescius | apt-get install htop |
| 12:55.00 | nescius | its much better than top |
| 12:55.11 | nescius | new and in colors :D |
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| 12:55.28 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: There's also atop btw |
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| 12:55.31 | nescius | and then you are looking for f6 |
| 12:55.40 | HardDisk_WP | found it thanks! |
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| 12:55.55 | HardDisk_WP | argh, 7 mysql processes running, each 125MB |
| 12:56.15 | nescius | HardDisk_WP, count it as one |
| 12:56.19 | HardDisk_WP | and 8 apache2's, each 20MB |
| 12:56.37 | nescius | :D same thing |
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| 12:57.00 | clever_ | yay its 'fixed' |
| 12:57.18 | itchi | Bhaal: Give the all the staffers a virtual beer of my part for the great work these do :-) |
| 12:57.40 | itchi | clever_: Yup, it's it (i was yoda there) |
| 12:57.46 | clever_ | ahh:) |
| 12:58.08 | clever_ | portscan on what i think was the cause finished |
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| 12:58.20 | clever_ | some ports filtered rest closed |
| 12:58.28 | clever_ | nothing open but it is a real ip |
| 12:58.55 | ram____ | hi iam installing Debian on my old HP-R-Class 9000, but iam getting some error, can some one help me |
| 12:59.27 | hagisbasheruk_ | what error ram____ |
| 12:59.30 | ram____ | after some time of reading the CDrom i get the follwing error "Kernel Panic- not syncing:drivers/parisc/ccio-dma.c: ccio_alloc_range() I/O MMU is out of mapping resources |
| 12:59.30 | ram____ | " |
| 12:59.49 | ram____ | iam following this document "http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/" |
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| 13:00.51 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: any help on what iam encoutering.. |
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| 13:01.32 | ram____ | any one have installed here Debian on HP 9000 servers sucessfully ? |
| 13:01.33 | hagisbasheruk_ | what CD iso u using? |
| 13:01.40 | ram____ | HPPA |
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| 13:03.29 | hagisbasheruk_ | Duno ram try network boot route insted mabey |
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| 13:03.51 | ram____ | never done network boot |
| 13:04.21 | hagisbasheruk_ | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/#bootcd part 4.3 |
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| 13:05.18 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: thats what i did |
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| 13:05.39 | ram____ | sorry i did CD install |
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| 13:05.44 | hagisbasheruk_ | did you make lifimage with NFSROOT |
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| 13:06.04 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: no where is that step ? |
| 13:06.15 | hagisbasheruk_ | see part 3.3.2 |
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| 13:07.03 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: what is this for net boot or CD boot ? |
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| 13:07.21 | pci | hi |
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| 13:07.27 | hagisbasheruk_ | this is the rout you need to go since your having CD driver probs ram____ |
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| 13:07.41 | hagisbasheruk_ | net ram____ |
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| 13:08.18 | ram____ | so i need to have network server running another server, i never dont network boot.. any suggestions and proceedure |
| 13:08.34 | hagisbasheruk_ | make lifimage then do 4.3 |
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| 13:09.20 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: as per the 3.4.2, when i boot from CD, i should able to see the partions, but i dont see them, ? |
| 13:09.33 | ram____ | after HARD Booted |
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| 13:09.48 | hagisbasheruk_ | ahh |
| 13:09.55 | ram____ | i get palo 1.14 then menu ? |
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| 13:10.50 | hagisbasheruk_ | search SESCSI |
| 13:10.50 | hagisbasheruk_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:11.03 | ram____ | ok wait |
| 13:11.21 | jelly-home | A whole lot of bots from Turk Telekom ADSL range |
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| 13:11.57 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: what is that command does ? |
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| 13:12.12 | Ronin | jelly-home: yep all morning too |
| 13:12.49 | hagisbasheruk_ | searches for avalible boot devices ram____ |
| 13:13.28 | ram____ | ok let me get in to NOC and give this command |
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| 13:14.47 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: how about search ipl |
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| 13:15.03 | hagisbasheruk_ | ?? try |
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| 13:15.19 | ram____ | ya i did, i got 3 results |
| 13:15.24 | hq4ever | anybody knows how can I set "win+d" on the keyboard to show the desktop in gnome? |
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| 13:16.01 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: search SESCSI ...ERROR: unknow device |
| 13:16.12 | hagisbasheruk_ | ahhh |
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| 13:16.19 | geoaxis | hello people |
| 13:16.28 | ram____ | i got P0 P1 P2 |
| 13:16.33 | ram____ | P2 is LAN modules |
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| 13:16.55 | hagisbasheruk_ | http://www.pateam.org/list.html look there for same error |
| 13:16.55 | ram____ | P0 and P1 Random access medial IPL |
| 13:17.01 | geoaxis | how can I install grub when I am installing debian , while i am chrooting from another linux system? |
| 13:17.21 | geoaxis | grub is unable to see hd0 |
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| 13:18.07 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: i dont see any reults that there |
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| 13:18.34 | hq4ever | geoaxis: gentoo install guide has some useful info on this |
| 13:19.15 | hagisbasheruk_ | sorry ram____ i thought that there was a suport page there |
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| 13:19.40 | geoaxis | hq4ever, yes checked that, but I suspect that env-update in gentoo does some thing which makes the chrooted system see hd0 some how |
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| 13:19.49 | zimnyx | What sound server do you advise for gnome? |
| 13:19.50 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: how can i make partiion of exisiting HP Server HArddisk |
| 13:19.51 | zimnyx | i want to use several sound apps at once - now i can use only one. |
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| 13:20.11 | tzanger | morning |
| 13:20.13 | hagisbasheruk_ | http://www.pateam.org/suitable.html ram____ |
| 13:20.19 | tzanger | just a quick question regarding cryptsetup and /etc/init.d/cryptdisks |
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| 13:20.21 | geoaxis | hq4ever, right now in the chrooted system I am unable to see any thing other than /proc and /sys mounted |
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| 13:21.01 | tzanger | with an /etc/crypttab of "data /dev/mapper/raid1-crypteddata none luks", it seems to want to *create* a crypted volume, not open the one given |
| 13:21.03 | itchi | zimnyx: You need to look for 'software audio mixing', like you probably not have a hardware sound mixer |
| 13:21.03 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, |
| 13:21.12 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: ya |
| 13:21.16 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, If you experience troubles, look at the SCSI-Programming HOW-TO! |
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| 13:21.16 | hagisbasheruk_ | Now LOL |
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| 13:21.26 | tzanger | I manually edited cryptdisks so that if interactive mode is on it runs cryptsetup luksOpen instead of create, but this is oibviously not hte right way to do it... can anyone assist? |
| 13:21.46 | hagisbasheruk_ | hahaha funny step 1 ram____ |
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| 13:23.08 | bzed | zimnyx: look for your soundcard on alsa-project.org - usually it's mentioned how to configure alsa's dmix to work with the card |
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| 13:23.15 | brejoc | hi@all |
| 13:23.26 | itchi | zimnyx: Maybe can this help you http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=Linux_software_audio_mixing_with_FlightGear |
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| 13:24.37 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, also have a look at http://parisc-linux.org/software/install.html |
| 13:24.45 | itchi | all@brejoc says Hello |
| 13:24.57 | itchi | :-p |
| 13:25.00 | bzed | zimnyx: if you configure artsd to use dmix, too.. it's just fine. I think plug:dmix works as device in artsd, not sure anymore, though |
| 13:25.03 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: yes iam working there.. but it say both |
| 13:25.10 | ram____ | but i want to run only debian |
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| 13:25.39 | brejoc | thanks itchi! :) |
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| 13:27.11 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, just delete HP-UX partition once done then :P |
| 13:28.14 | zimnyx | bzed: itchi |
| 13:28.17 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: how is the main question for me.. |
| 13:28.17 | zimnyx | thanks |
| 13:28.37 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: so u ask me to install both.. ? |
| 13:28.47 | ram____ | and delete HP Partition.. |
| 13:28.53 | tzanger | just a quick question regarding cryptsetup and /etc/init.d/cryptdisks |
| 13:28.56 | tzanger | with an /etc/crypttab of "data /dev/mapper/raid1-crypteddata none luks", it seems to want to *create* a crypted volume, not open the one given |
| 13:28.59 | tzanger | I manually edited cryptdisks so that if interactive mode is on it runs cryptsetup luksOpen instead of create, but this is oibviously not hte right way to do it... can anyone assist? |
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| 13:30.01 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, ,During your Debian install, you will be asked to partition a disk just partition it the way you want it then |
| 13:30.24 | ram____ | yes tahts correct.. but i dont see its asking at all.. |
| 13:30.35 | Niklas-_ | Hmm, is it possible to install a i686 compiler on Debian 64bit? |
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| 13:30.58 | SaLoMoN | Niklas-_, you need a crosscompiler then... |
| 13:31.16 | insulina | humm, i am installing debian , and choose to automaticle install, but my machine is old , does debian chooses packages that fit to my machine ? or i will have a very slow machine ? |
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| 13:31.22 | brejoc | i hope it's someone here who might help me. otherwise i'll get insane. i try to compile the kernel 2.6.17 with make-kpkg, so that i get a nice deb package. i changed the architecture in the config from i386 to i686 for support >4 gb ram. everything works fine so far. the kernel boots without problems, but when it trys do include one of the modules a error messag says that the modules have the wrong version - and it's true. the kernel is in i686 and th |
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| 13:31.24 | ram____ | I have connected web-cosole from that iam installing DEbian |
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| 13:31.32 | Niklas-_ | SaLoMoN: sounds correct - how do i install one? :) |
| 13:31.47 | SaLoMoN | I don't know^^ |
| 13:31.57 | Niklas-_ | :P |
| 13:32.11 | vorsprung | brejoc, did you make the modules with kernel package and install them too? |
| 13:32.43 | brejoc | vorsprung: yes |
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| 13:32.56 | insulina | ?? |
| 13:33.05 | brejoc | make-kpkg compiles the modules too an packs them into the deb |
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| 13:33.54 | brejoc | but it seems to ignore the settings in the kernel-config for the modules. |
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| 13:35.03 | brejoc | insulian: how old is your machine? cpu? ram? |
| 13:35.04 | vorsprung | brejoc, I have the "hostap" modules installed as source. To make a deb of them I need a seperate target in the kernel package |
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| 13:35.22 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: any other suggestions.. |
| 13:35.25 | vorsprung | brejoc, maybe that's the problem |
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| 13:35.59 | hagisbasheruk_ | go to local Linux user Group :) |
| 13:36.40 | brejoc | vorsprung, thats correct for modules in /usr/src/modules, but the modules that come with the kernel need no seperate target... |
| 13:36.59 | brejoc | at least i hope so :) |
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| 13:37.55 | pingwin|work | anyone know anything about gLite? |
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| 13:38.27 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, i never ment that to sound that way,but go there to get help |
| 13:38.33 | RvGaTe | Hello, i noticed that whenever i want to read my home dir for the first time, it takes terribly slow to read the content... (up to 10 seconds), how is this possible? |
| 13:38.56 | pingwin|work | are there any network mounted drives? |
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| 13:39.04 | RvGaTe | yes, 4 |
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| 13:39.16 | pingwin|work | Rydekull: bingo |
| 13:39.20 | pingwin|work | that's your problem |
| 13:39.23 | RvGaTe | pingouin, but they are mounted on /mnt/, nowhere near my homedir |
| 13:39.36 | pingwin|work | oh, that's what I was trying to ask. nvm |
| 13:39.51 | ram____ | hagisbasheruk_: u are there on the other room also |
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| 13:40.13 | karmatronic | RvGaTe: mayb eyou ve got big files there |
| 13:40.32 | bzed | RvGaTe: does it take time to login or to actually read some data? and from where is your home mounted? |
| 13:40.59 | pingwin|work | anyone know anything about gLite? |
| 13:41.06 | pingwin|work | or building hosted Grids? |
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| 13:41.32 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, Local User Group is where like minded linux Users meet Localy,usualy a local University or similar |
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| 13:41.58 | ram____ | oh i dont get that help.. so iam here |
| 13:41.58 | RvGaTe | bzed, i have a quicklaunch item on my panel, whenever i click it, it opens thunar /home/rvgate, then it just takes ages to read the content of the folder and display me the files and folders... |
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| 13:42.05 | sipher | #ubuntu isn't being any help this morning and since my target is Debian... anyone know how to get bunzip2 to output to a different directory? It doesn't have a switch to specify the output path and "bunzip2 test.bz2 <output dir/file>" doesn't work |
| 13:42.11 | RvGaTe | karmatronic, the largest file in my /home/rvgate is 26 mb |
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| 13:42.38 | pingwin|work | sipher: mkdir <outputdir>; bunzip ../test.bz2 |
| 13:42.43 | hagisbasheruk_ | ram____, find one neer you and go there http://www.linux.org/groups/ |
| 13:42.46 | pingwin|work | cd <outputdir> goes in the middle |
| 13:42.54 | pingwin|work | sorry, haven't had coffee yet |
| 13:42.57 | zamuro | sipher: Have you tried manually moving uncompressed files? |
| 13:43.08 | ram____ | yes iam also asked .. there but i dont see any results |
| 13:43.28 | kon | not sure whether this is a bug or the PEBCAK, but most of the /etc/bash_completion.d/* scripts only work then extglob is active in bash, and it doesnt set it by itself (which is a good thing imho) but just aborts with some parse errors |
| 13:43.45 | zamuro | pingwin|work: LOL... Know the feeling. BTW... should go get some before other people will take it. |
| 13:43.57 | sipher | zamuro: It's stupid. I'm keeping the bz2 in place.. so I have to move it, uncompress with -k and move the bz2 back. Really dumb |
| 13:44.11 | kon | it would probably be better if the script would check for extglob first and then exit gracefully with a message |
| 13:44.12 | bzed | sipher: bunzip2 -c < foo.bz2 > dir/foo |
| 13:44.24 | pingwin|work | zamuro: hehe brb then |
| 13:44.25 | zamuro | sipher: Are you trying to recompress? |
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| 13:44.40 | Crazymonkey | what is the python makefile packed on Debian? |
| 13:44.45 | Crazymonkey | where can I find it? |
| 13:44.54 | sipher | nope, just decompress. I'll try bzed's method |
| 13:45.06 | zamuro | sipher: OK... |
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| 13:45.14 | hagisbasheruk_ | goto go cya |
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| 13:45.20 | bzed | RvGaTe: hmm, sounds liek a problem of that quicklaunch thing |
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| 13:45.50 | bzed | Crazymonkey: apt-get install python ? |
| 13:46.16 | Crazymonkey | bzed python is alreade on my system I trying to install Feedparser but it ask for makefile |
| 13:46.16 | RvGaTe | bzed, not really, it opens thunar very quick, it just waits for "reading dir content" something like that |
| 13:47.02 | karmatronic | Crazymonkey: you have to generate one , maybe with a ./configure |
| 13:47.05 | bzed | Crazymonkey: wait. what's your exact problem. |
| 13:47.14 | karmatronic | Crazymonkey: or something like that |
| 13:47.29 | bzed | Crazymonkey: apt-get install python-feedparser |
| 13:47.30 | karmatronic | Crazymonkey: python setup.py |
| 13:47.57 | bzed | !tell Crazymonkey about apt-cache |
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| 13:48.13 | sipher | bzed: Thanks. Works great. :) |
| 13:48.22 | sipher | Dunno why I didn't think of that |
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| 13:48.42 | sipher | I still argue bunzip2 should take an output path though |
| 13:48.46 | Crazymonkey | error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) |
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| 13:50.18 | bzed | sipher: no, bunzip is a stream compressor, it was never supposed to work on files |
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| 13:52.02 | sipher | ah |
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| 13:53.58 | vlt | Hello. Can I use the `head` or `tail` command to get lines x to y from a file? |
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| 13:54.46 | brejoc | vlt, not that i know... |
| 13:55.10 | pingwin|work | vit perhaps try ed for that purpose |
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| 13:55.42 | pingwin|work | it's good for jumping to a line in large files |
| 13:55.53 | vlt | pingwin|work: I'll try ... thanks. |
| 13:55.55 | brejoc | but if the file is very big i wouldn't use a editor... |
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| 13:56.03 | apk | How is it that my window manager has a menu option to shut down that works, but I can't use /sbin/halt ? |
| 13:56.11 | pingwin|work | brejoc: well how are you supposed to edit it then? :P |
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| 13:56.27 | pingwin|work | apk probably permissions |
| 13:56.40 | pingwin|work | brejoc: besides ed is a console stream editor |
| 13:56.43 | brejoc | pingwin: get the last 2000 lines with tail and edit that.. |
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| 13:57.14 | pingwin|work | why use tail to grab the last 2000 lines? ed can handle that |
| 13:57.27 | brejoc | pingwin: okay, didn't know that. |
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| 13:57.35 | pingwin|work | tis all good |
| 13:58.06 | pingwin|work | you could pay me back by knowing everything there is to know about building grid networks! :D |
| 13:58.45 | brejoc | hm... okay, ask me in a few years! ;) |
| 13:59.00 | apk | perpendicular tubes. |
| 13:59.13 | brejoc | pingwin: what do you use to build you grid? |
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| 13:59.18 | pingwin|work | it's not a truck! it's a series of tubes! |
| 13:59.27 | vlt | What about `head -n -$[$(wc -l file) - startline] | head -n total`? ;-) |
| 13:59.36 | pingwin|work | brejoc: nothing, doesn't exist, planning stages right now |
| 13:59.53 | pingwin|work | vit haha interesting idea |
| 14:00.00 | brejoc | pingwin: you can take a look at www.instant-grid.de |
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| 14:00.29 | pingwin|work | yes I can :) |
| 14:00.50 | brejoc | pingwin: but, i fear the english translation of this site is gone... |
| 14:00.54 | pingwin|work | kinda want something like 3tera's applogic, but i want something a bit more stable if possible |
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| 14:01.13 | pingwin|work | it's alright, i can get by reading german/dutch for a little while :) |
| 14:01.45 | pingwin|work | brejoc: do you know if that can do web hosting? |
| 14:02.00 | pingwin|work | cause it looks like it's for render farms thus far |
| 14:02.03 | brejoc | pingwin: yeah.. won't work like you want it. |
| 14:02.10 | cydork | pingwin|work: glite? and you need glite for?? |
| 14:02.11 | pingwin|work | okies |
| 14:02.42 | pingwin|work | looking at glite as a possible option. if there aren't any hosting methods for grids other than AppLogic, hell I'll build my own |
| 14:02.52 | pingwin|work | just will take me a little time :P |
| 14:03.08 | bzed | vlt: sure you can |
| 14:03.12 | pingwin|work | glite is more for scientific parrallel processing, but it's a grid framework none the less |
| 14:03.18 | brejoc | pingwin: and something like openmosix? |
| 14:03.29 | bzed | vlt: tail and head will work fine for that |
| 14:04.04 | HardDisk_WP | how do I merge a ton of splitted apache config files together? |
| 14:04.18 | pingwin|work | openmosix sounds promising. anyone do this before? |
| 14:04.41 | bzed | vlt: to get line $x till line $y do this: head -n $y filename | tail -n $($y -$x) |
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| 14:04.57 | bzed | pingwin|work: yes, works well if you ahve programs which are able to use it |
| 14:04.59 | brejoc | pingwin: i think there exists a live cd to test it.. but don't ask me where. |
| 14:05.12 | bzed | I think it's linke don the openmosix homepage |
| 14:05.29 | pingwin|work | bzed: what about apache or lightHttpd? any idea how support is? postgresql, mysql? |
| 14:05.38 | bzed | vlt: sorry: head -n $y filename | tail -n $(($y -$x)) |
| 14:05.41 | pingwin|work | thanx bzed |
| 14:05.55 | bzed | pingwin|work: err, that's not what openmosix is for :P |
| 14:06.01 | pingwin|work | you all have been a ton of help, I really appreciate it |
| 14:06.20 | pingwin|work | bzed i know i'm probably not going to find anything that is "FOR" this project |
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| 14:06.41 | pingwin|work | but something that can be made to behave in the way that I need it to for this project |
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| 14:06.47 | pingwin|work | and of course be secure and reliable |
| 14:06.55 | bzed | pingwin|work: openmosix was made to calculate stuff on several servers. |
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| 14:07.19 | bzed | pingwin|work: what do you need then? |
| 14:07.29 | hwdyki | how do i tell initramfs where to mount my root fs? |
| 14:07.32 | pingwin|work | grid hosting environment |
| 14:07.51 | vlt | bzed: Yeah, thank you. (I got an error on my version: `cat -n sip.dump | head -n -$[$(wc -l sip.dump)-115000] | head -n 3000`; "bash: 172272 sip.dump-115000: syntax error in expression (error token is "sip.dump-115000")") |
| 14:08.10 | pingwin|work | ideally this http://www.3tera.com/applogic.html |
| 14:08.16 | valdyn | hwdyki: you don't? |
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| 14:08.29 | bzed | vlt: err, $(( ....)), not $[ ...] |
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| 14:08.43 | vlt | bzed: What's the differnece? |
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| 14:09.11 | bzed | vlt: $[ is jsut nonsense, $(( is the cimple caltulator environment in bash.... |
| 14:09.20 | bzed | vlt: man bash ;) |
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| 14:10.01 | bzed | vlt: and there's also a - too much |
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| 14:10.33 | bzed | vlt: oh sorry, that works in deed O_o |
| 14:10.36 | stouset | Any regular expression wizards in here? |
| 14:10.49 | vlt | !anyone | stouset |
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| 14:11.12 | LP485 | Hi, how could I `install' packages with apt-get w/o root (like when, say, ./configure --prefix=$HOME) |
| 14:11.13 | bzed | vlt: but I think you need spaces around the - |
| 14:11.22 | valdyn | LP485: you cant |
| 14:11.26 | stouset | "Any regular expression wizards in here?" =~ s/any ?one/ #=> false |
| 14:11.31 | bzed | LP485: and you don;t want to do it |
| 14:11.40 | LP485 | valdyn: with any apt facility? |
| 14:11.57 | bzed | no |
| 14:11.59 | LP485 | bzed: I don't have root access, yet I can install from source packages in my $HOME, say |
| 14:12.06 | valdyn | LP485: aptget doesnt need root to install files necessarily ( as in your suggested case, but it does need root to write to the package database |
| 14:12.08 | LP485 | can't apt automatize that? |
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| 14:12.37 | bzed | LP485: I remember that there was some package environment you could use to install stuff under a user account |
| 14:12.40 | valdyn | LP485: that was a severe security hole if it did that |
| 14:12.41 | LP485 | valdyn: ok, I imagine I can override and not write to the package db, no? |
| 14:12.44 | bzed | LP485: was not a debian thing, though |
| 14:12.56 | valdyn | LP485: in that case there's no point in using apt-get |
| 14:13.05 | bzed | LP485: packages which were compiled to live in / just won;t work in $HOME |
| 14:13.12 | LP485 | can't I say apt-get to use a user-specified package DB? |
| 14:13.22 | valdyn | LP485: that would be a simple copying of files, cp is fine |
| 14:13.33 | valdyn | LP485: not supported |
| 14:13.37 | abrotman | valdyn: in his $HOME ? |
| 14:13.56 | abrotman | oh .. apt .. not the from source :) |
| 14:14.02 | vlt | bzed: anyway, your version is mch more elegant than mine. |
| 14:14.02 | valdyn | abrotman: user writable package db |
| 14:14.10 | vlt | much* |
| 14:14.12 | abrotman | i got it! |
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| 14:14.32 | bzed | LP485: the packages just will NOT work |
| 14:14.35 | LP485 | I say apt get to automatize somewhat the process of ./configure --prefix=foo |
| 14:14.43 | bzed | no |
| 14:14.47 | valdyn | LP485: that's not a far fetched idea really, what you suggest, but i dont know about any user package manager |
| 14:14.56 | LP485 | bzed: seems bizarre to me, but I haven't tried it |
| 14:14.56 | diakopter | apt-get install postfix on fresh Etch from nightly netinst: http://rafb.net/p/WpIjK681.html |
| 14:14.57 | abrotman | he could probably use stow |
| 14:15.04 | bzed | LP485: it can;t work |
| 14:15.05 | LP485 | valdyn: ok |
| 14:15.11 | bzed | yes |
| 14:15.12 | LP485 | abrotman: yup, I've seen it |
| 14:15.17 | abrotman | diakopter: checked the BTS ? |
| 14:15.18 | bzed | LP485: stow is what you want |
| 14:15.21 | bzed | and compile on your own |
| 14:15.45 | diakopter | abrotman: trying. |
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| 14:15.50 | valdyn | LP485: 'check dependencies 'globally' and install in $HOME, would be neat |
| 14:15.51 | LP485 | yup, I've only an issue: I'd like to install gcc first with apt-alike thing :) |
| 14:16.09 | LP485 | then I can use stow |
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| 14:16.40 | h3sp4wn | If there is no gcc how can you compile anything (even with --prefix) |
| 14:17.05 | LP485 | that's obvious, h3sp4wn |
| 14:17.17 | LP485 | valdyn: bzed: many thanks for the suggestions |
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| 14:17.47 | cr3 | is there a way to list the packages installed on my computer from a particular repository? |
| 14:17.58 | valdyn | cr3: no |
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| 14:18.22 | h3sp4wn | LP485: precompiled toolchain ? some other compiler ? |
| 14:18.28 | diakopter | abrotman: bugs.debian.org is down. |
| 14:18.58 | bzed | LP485: http://autopackage.org/index.html could work if I remember it right |
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| 14:19.48 | bzed | LP485: err no, they install to /usr, too |
| 14:19.48 | streuner_ | !ops someone mention in /topic bugs.debian.org is down, please. |
| 14:19.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: streuner_ complains about: someone mention in /topic bugs.debian.org is down, please. |
| 14:19.55 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 14:20.00 | hwdyki | how do i run mkinitramfs in chroot where the running kernel != the to-be-installed kernel? |
| 14:20.04 | bzed | LP485: which sucks :P there was a project, though, I just need to find it |
| 14:20.11 | Flimzy | After a debootstrap, is there a package that provides the basic Debian config scripts as used when doing a CD install? net config, add initial users, etc? |
| 14:20.22 | Flimzy | hwdyki: man mkinitramfs |
| 14:20.30 | bzed | hwdyki: mkinitramfs takes a kernel version as parameter |
| 14:20.34 | h3sp4wn | Flimzy: baseconfig is sarge - don't think etch has anything similar |
| 14:20.44 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: grr. oh well. |
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| 14:21.27 | abrotman | diakopter: http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=postfix |
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| 14:21.46 | bzed | Flimzy: baseconfig was removed. what you need to do is to check /etc/passwd+shadow for your root user, create /etc/fstab and install a kernel. that should be enough to boot, + network interfaces and ssh if it's a remote box, + grub... |
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| 14:22.33 | valdyn | Flimzy: is that box of yours with the load issue still ok btw? |
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| 14:23.01 | hwdyki | there are 2 parameters: --supported-host-version and --suporrted-target-version. |
| 14:23.06 | hwdyki | which do i use? |
| 14:23.13 | Flimzy | valdyn: seems to be. thanks :) |
| 14:23.26 | Flimzy | bzed: Yeah, I'll do it all manually. no biggie... just more steps :) |
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| 14:23.34 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know why http://paste.debian.net/22427 doesnt echo any output? |
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| 14:24.56 | smellydog | Hi,I got libapache2-mod-php5 installed, but apache2 does not handle the php page. |
| 14:24.58 | streuner_ | it works here |
| 14:25.07 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: << is an assignment operator in bash? |
| 14:25.17 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: that's news |
| 14:25.28 | kon | also drop that $ |
| 14:25.37 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 14:26.00 | diakopter | abrotman: thanks; seems to be http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=410871 |
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| 14:26.10 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, how is it correct? |
| 14:26.12 | kon | see man bash for heredoc syntax |
| 14:26.19 | abrotman | diakopter: doesn't seem quite the same |
| 14:26.33 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: tmp="alot of stuff" |
| 14:26.47 | kon | no |
| 14:26.52 | kon | that is completely wrong |
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| 14:28.00 | diakopter | abrotman: I'm not sure how to proceed, then. :( |
| 14:28.42 | abrotman | !maint postfix etch |
| 14:28.53 | dpkg | postfix: LaMont Jones <lamont@debian.org> |
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| 14:29.21 | HardDisk_WP | kon, how is it correct? |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | diakopter: try a set -x at the top of the postinst script |
| 14:30.02 | diakopter | abrotman: trying |
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| 14:31.06 | kon | HardDisk_WP, usually i'd say RTFM but i am in a good mood today :) |
| 14:31.07 | rgsteele | Hey guys. Any idea how to detect a kernel lock on a given file? |
| 14:31.15 | kon | foo=$(cat << EOF |
| 14:31.23 | kon | ...stuff goes here--- |
| 14:31.24 | yalu | which architecture does one use on a 64bit xeon 5130: x86 or ia64? |
| 14:31.25 | kon | EOF) |
| 14:31.25 | HardDisk_WP | kon, thx |
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| 14:31.49 | kon | put some quotes there if you wanna preserve newlines |
| 14:31.51 | Flimzy | yalu: i386 or amd64 |
| 14:31.55 | nescius | i dont get it, why is debian stable so unstable? |
| 14:31.59 | kon | around the $() blocki mean |
| 14:31.59 | Flimzy | yalu: I use amd64 on ours. |
| 14:32.06 | rgsteele | nescius: It's not. |
| 14:32.07 | diakopter | Flimzy, abrotman: results: http://rafb.net/p/Q976XJ28.html |
| 14:32.08 | yalu | nescius: most ask the question the other way around |
| 14:32.14 | nescius | maybe its because of network installation |
| 14:32.23 | yalu | Flimzy: amd64 on an intel? |
| 14:32.26 | abrotman | diakopter: ah .. it is the same .. |
| 14:32.28 | Flimzy | yalu: yes. |
| 14:32.32 | yalu | o_O |
| 14:32.45 | streuner_ | abrotman: well, there aren't any ops available... (/msg chanserv access #debian list) ... |
| 14:32.50 | rgsteele | nescius: I do network installs with FAI on boxes all the time - no issues here. |
| 14:33.20 | nescius | but while installation found the network after that i have to start with dhcpclient eth0 to recieve an ip, networking restart doesnt work |
| 14:33.25 | diakopter | so I guess I should install xinetd first |
| 14:33.51 | rgsteele | nescius: The problem almost certainly has nothing to do with the stability of Sarge. |
| 14:34.10 | rgsteele | So, is there a way to detect kernel locks? |
| 14:34.45 | Kevin` | rgsteele there's built in kernel code to detect certain types of locks, or use a watchdog |
| 14:35.26 | nescius | rgsteele, this was my 5th installation and there was allways something essenciall broken (like for example SAS disks which was not fault of debian :) |
| 14:35.40 | Flimzy | diakopter: you don't want to run postfix from xinetd. |
| 14:35.58 | diakopter | but at least it installs |
| 14:36.00 | Flimzy | diakopter: Unless you have a mail load of < 5 messages/day or something :) |
| 14:36.14 | SNow | hello, I have bought a new core 2 duo E6300 sata2 baracuda pc and when I'm trying to install debian through netinstall cd and it boots ok and then says "UNABLE TO MOUNT CD ROM" any ideas how to fix this?? |
| 14:36.17 | streuner_ | dpkg, bts2 is <reply> BROKEN: rietz (bugs.debian.org), ETA: morning UTC-0800, please use http://bugs.donarmstrong.com |
| 14:36.17 | dpkg | okay, streuner_ |
| 14:36.22 | Flimzy | diakopter: Does it install in inetd mode? |
| 14:36.25 | abrotman | diakopter: so you should be able to resolve it the same |
| 14:36.32 | abrotman | streuner: i noticed |
| 14:36.36 | streuner | ok |
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| 14:36.49 | abrotman | streuner: i'm not sure if dondelelcaro wants that public in here ... |
| 14:36.49 | valdyn | !dict stable |
| 14:36.53 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stable' (1 of 19): . Stable \Sta"ble\, a. [OE. estable, F. stable, fr. L. stabilis, fr. stare to stand. See Stand, v. i. and cf. Establish.] 1. Firmly established; not easily moved, shaken, or overthrown; fixed; as, a stable government.. |
| 14:37.13 | SNow | I really need to install it, and this thing stops everything, why it gives me out this error, anybody knows? |
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| 14:37.19 | streuner | abrotman: its at OFTC public, "Myon" just changed the topic, i don't see a reason why |
| 14:37.20 | SNow | Unable to mount cd drive |
| 14:37.40 | valdyn | SNow: which debian release are you trying to install? |
| 14:37.55 | SNow | current |
| 14:38.07 | valdyn | SNow: what's that? |
| 14:38.19 | diakopter | Flimzy: I removed xinetd after installing postfix (successfully); seems to be okay |
| 14:38.22 | SNow | 31r5 |
| 14:38.46 | valdyn | SNow: that installer is 2 years older than your hardware. Obviously that gives issues |
| 14:38.55 | SNow | Which one should I use? |
| 14:39.01 | valdyn | SNow: either /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 or install etch |
| 14:40.08 | valdyn | SNow: i'd recommend etch if you don't have specific requirements |
| 14:40.11 | Flimzy | diakopter: spiff. you still may want to file a bug report. postfix either needs to depend on xinetd... or that script needs to be fixed. |
| 14:40.11 | SNow | I dont have any os |
| 14:40.21 | SNow | valdyn I DONT' HAVE ANYTHING INSTALLED |
| 14:40.26 | valdyn | SNow: i know |
| 14:40.32 | SNow | so wtf your telling me |
| 14:40.34 | valdyn | SNow: read the whole factoid |
| 14:40.37 | SNow | to install kernel without distro? |
| 14:40.42 | valdyn | SNow: nope |
| 14:40.55 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 14:40.56 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 14:41.19 | valdyn | SNow: quote: 'for a sarge install which uses...' |
| 14:41.43 | SNow | !tell snow bpo |
| 14:42.00 | valdyn | SNow: not the bpo part, thats not useful for installing ;) |
| 14:42.06 | streuner | !tell SNow about bpo |
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| 14:42.12 | streuner | !tell SNow about stfu |
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| 14:42.36 | helo | lol snow |
| 14:42.49 | SNow | streuner nice |
| 14:42.55 | SNow | your funny guy |
| 14:43.07 | SNow | valdyn thanks man, Can I install boot image through usb too? |
| 14:43.10 | SNow | or as usual - cd? |
| 14:43.14 | streuner | no, you are funny, you shout at people who want help you... |
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| 14:43.32 | SNow | I'm not shouting |
| 14:43.41 | valdyn | SNow: that should be in the install guide. i know nothing about it |
| 14:43.50 | SNow | and sorry valdyn for being rude, Its bad day for me |
| 14:43.51 | SNow | thank you again. |
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| 14:49.37 | pablo_ | hi, i am on etch using iceweasel and it lets me install a flash plugin. Is that plugin free? |
| 14:49.58 | streuner | no |
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| 14:50.09 | Shadur | Depending on which standard of free you mean. |
| 14:50.22 | Shadur | It's freely downloadable, but it's definitely not DFSG-free. |
| 14:50.27 | pablo_ | Shadur: open source soft |
| 14:50.32 | mindframe | so etch supports encrypted lvm @ setup. has anyone used it yet? |
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| 14:51.35 | pablo_ | so that flash plugin is privative software? |
| 14:51.38 | sohmestra | pablo_: no, it is not open source (Free) software |
| 14:51.48 | sohmestra | pablo_: it is proprietary. |
| 14:51.51 | Shadur | mindframe: I don't have any system where security is so crucial that I'd consider the hassle involved in having an encrypted root filesystem acceptable. |
| 14:52.00 | ]]31337[[ | hello I use etch and iceweasel won't start ?? any ideas???? |
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| 14:52.21 | amphi | ]]31337[[: what happens if you run it from a term? |
| 14:52.28 | mindframe | Shadur, im interested in setting it up on a colo box that i have |
| 14:52.53 | ]]31337[[ | amphi: The error was 'BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter)'. |
| 14:53.05 | ]]31337[[ | amphi: and a bunch of other useless info |
| 14:53.24 | Ronin | may not be useless info |
| 14:53.31 | amphi | ]]31337[[: dunno - what did you do? it works here |
| 14:53.32 | ]]31337[[ | to me it is ! |
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| 14:53.44 | ]]31337[[ | amphi: just apt-get install iceweasel. |
| 14:53.54 | ]]31337[[ | amphi: I installed etch yesterday with latest d-i |
| 14:54.03 | pablo_ | sohmestra: so why did you make iceweasel if you are going to include a propietary plugin? |
| 14:54.28 | ]]31337[[ | why iceweasel don't work ? |
| 14:54.48 | pablo_ | yes it works |
| 14:55.05 | stew | ]]31337[[: see if moving your ~/.mozilla makes it start again |
| 14:55.05 | Ronin | ]]31337[[: use pastebin.ca and post the entire error please |
| 14:55.17 | ]]31337[[ | stew: I have no ~/.mozilla |
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| 14:55.22 | ]]31337[[ | stew: well, I started with none |
| 14:55.31 | ]]31337[[ | stew: it's a fresh install, so I don't see how moving it would help. |
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| 14:55.35 | pablo_ | but my question is why did you wanted to do a completely free fork of firefox and include a propietary plugin |
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| 14:55.57 | Ronin | pablo_: cause sometimes you need/want things like flash etc. |
| 14:56.00 | stew | Piet: becuase the free fork of firefox is the one that comes with his operating system? |
| 14:56.10 | Shadur | pablo_: There is absolutely nothing new about the non-free status of the official flash plugin. |
| 14:56.18 | lotus-blade | what is the debian command to reconfigure X in comand line? |
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| 14:56.26 | ]]31337[[ | Ronin: ther eis free flash! it sucks, and it's called gnash |
| 14:56.35 | schme | I just installed inn2 and I get a funny localhost "innd: SERVER cant listen RCreader Address already in use" in news.crit . Anyone have any idea how to fix it? |
| 14:56.47 | Shadur | pablo_: It's also entirely separate from the firefox/iceweasel package. |
| 14:56.47 | Piet | stew: meet pablo_ |
| 14:56.58 | amphi | !drxx lotus-blade |
| 14:56.58 | dpkg | lotus-blade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 14:57.13 | pablo_ | Shadur: and it can be installed without non-free repos |
| 14:57.14 | Shadur | schme: Sounds like it's already running. Or something that uses the same resource is. |
| 14:58.20 | schme | Shadur: It is running, ya - and listening on port 119. I get that when I try to post a message to my lil local news group I created. |
| 14:58.23 | Shadur | pablo_: Were you even paying attention? Iceweasel is downloading it, which means it didn't find it on your system already *because it wasn't installed due to lack of non-free repositories in your apt sources list*. |
| 14:58.40 | ]]31337[[ | see full error message : http://pastebin.ca/367692 |
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| 14:58.53 | stew | Piet: pardon me |
| 14:59.23 | Piet | np :) |
| 14:59.42 | ]]31337[[ | why iceweasel doesn't work in etch??? http://pastebin.ca/367692 |
| 15:00.00 | pablo_ | to me it works |
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| 15:00.33 | ]]31337[[ | pablo_: which iceweasel are you using?? |
| 15:00.37 | abrotman | ]]31337[[: try a strace .. and check bugs.debian.org |
| 15:00.49 | ]]31337[[ | ii iceweasel 2.0.0.1+dfsg-2 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 15:00.52 | ]]31337[[ | I use that |
| 15:01.07 | ewanm89 | Still having trouble with the bots? |
| 15:01.08 | schme | Shadur: If I kill the innd process that is listening on 119 my news readers gives an error that I can't connect (which makes sense). |
| 15:01.18 | ]]31337[[ | abrotman: what should I look for in strace?? |
| 15:01.25 | stew | ]]31337[[: how are you logged into the machine? via ?dm? logged in via console + startx? ssh -X ? |
| 15:01.33 | ]]31337[[ | stew: ssh -X |
| 15:01.36 | stew | aha |
| 15:01.38 | pablo_ | ]]31337[[: i use the one on the repos 2.0.0.1+dfsg-2 |
| 15:02.01 | stew | ]]31337[[: can you start any other x application? like an xterm? |
| 15:02.05 | pablo_ | ]]31337[[: try reinstalling it |
| 15:02.19 | ]]31337[[ | stew: let me try |
| 15:02.33 | mindframe | what FS would you guys recommend for a laptop(possibly with disk encryption)? |
| 15:02.33 | ]]31337[[ | stew: xcalc works fine |
| 15:02.50 | ]]31337[[ | pablo_: I don't think it will change anything |
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| 15:02.59 | ]]31337[[ | pablo_: why not tell me to reboot also? |
| 15:03.08 | stew | ]]31337[[: does it work if you use ssh -Y instead of ssh -X ? |
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| 15:03.14 | ]]31337[[ | stew: I'll try |
| 15:03.33 | ]]31337[[ | stew: yes |
| 15:03.35 | ]]31337[[ | stew: thank you |
| 15:03.40 | dr1v3r | Guys i am trying to setup sendmail auth, I have sasl2 installed but when i try to telnet in i get a message saying my IP maybe forged |
| 15:03.44 | dr1v3r | how can i fix this? |
| 15:03.47 | ]]31337[[ | stew: why do I need -Y ? |
| 15:03.59 | stew | ]]31337[[: i dunno. google around a bit |
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| 15:04.06 | ]]31337[[ | >_< |
| 15:04.11 | ]]31337[[ | first time I have to use -Y |
| 15:04.14 | ]]31337[[ | -X always worked |
| 15:04.21 | nescius | where is exports placed in debian? |
| 15:04.31 | ]]31337[[ | nescius: nfs exports? |
| 15:04.32 | stew | nescius: for nfs? /etc/exports |
| 15:04.37 | nescius | yes |
| 15:04.41 | nescius | ..strange |
| 15:04.44 | dr1v3r | everything was installed using apt |
| 15:05.49 | stew | dr1v3r: is there a reverse dns mapping for the ip you are connecting from? |
| 15:06.02 | rgsteele | Kevin`: Really? Any ideas about how I'd be able to invoke such a utility? |
| 15:06.11 | rgsteele | Kevin`: From the CLI? |
| 15:06.27 | dr1v3r | i dont want to have to set it up for every IP address that will use external clients, hence the reason for the auth |
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| 15:06.56 | dr1v3r | i can get it to work if i add my domain, but i am not going to do that for everyone that wants mail |
| 15:07.18 | dr1v3r | so if i setup auth then they need to auth to the server before they can connect |
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| 15:10.20 | hhhjr | ok stupid question from a nube. After a few months of trying I finally compiled a kernel that boots. Now I would like to save my .config file to a floppy disk. I have several books but none go into using the floppy at the command promp and I cannot get X to function. So my question is how do I save the file to my floppy. |
| 15:10.51 | magnus | I have a special sata card which requires loading of a module on boot. I need to load this module before linux can see the drives. Is there any way to give a kernel parameter to the linux kernel to load a specific module on boot?` |
| 15:11.19 | Gathond | wow someone still has floppy drives:) actual working floppy drives |
| 15:11.34 | hhhjr | well maybe it dont work |
| 15:11.38 | pingwin|work | magnus: is there any way you can just build the driver into the kernel? |
| 15:11.47 | Neverther | hhhjr, modprobe flopp ; mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/fl |
| 15:11.59 | abrotman | hhhjr: if you didn't put floppy support in your kernel . it won't work :) |
| 15:12.00 | Neverther | hhhjr, /dev might vary amd make the dir for /mnt |
| 15:12.00 | Gathond | hhhjr: if memory serves its the /dev/floppy device (or that is a symlink) so mount /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy (make the last directory first) |
| 15:12.09 | stew | magnus: is it a self compiled kernel or a debian kerenl? is it an initrd kernel? |
| 15:12.19 | hhhjr | Ok thanks people |
| 15:12.25 | JohnGH | Iceweasel is being a pain in the butt :| - When I went to use my online banking the other day I found it wouldn't accept it, so I have downloaded firefox 1.5.0.9 and put it in /opt/firefox and launch it from the command line when I need FF. Also Iceweasel seems to be going dumb on lots of pages - (e.g. eBay keeps asking me to login over and over) When I try Firefox instead they work - it... |
| 15:12.26 | JohnGH | ...*could* be to do with extensions I have installed (I have quite a few) - I'm thinking about pulling them all out and starting afresh to see if that makes it better. |
| 15:12.32 | magnus | pingwin|work: not without lots of job :) |
| 15:12.39 | pingwin|work | lots of job? |
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| 15:12.44 | abrotman | JohnGH: you can change the identification string |
| 15:13.08 | JohnGH | abrotman - Thanks - I thought about that and had a look but didn't find it - do you know where that is? |
| 15:13.15 | magnus | stew: special initrd kernel (2.6.20) because it has the kernel module I need for this sata card. I have used one of the debian install cd-images with kernel 2.6.20 |
| 15:13.36 | magnus | I think I saw some append thing somewhere sometime, where you could specify loading a module |
| 15:13.55 | pingwin|work | bzed: thanx for your help |
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| 15:14.03 | h3sp4wn | magnus: If you edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules you can put what modules you need in there |
| 15:14.04 | stew | magnus: then you can make sure the module is loaded by editing /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then running update-initramfs |
| 15:14.05 | cydork | JohnGH: blame the bank? |
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| 15:14.38 | magnus | ok thanks, will try that |
| 15:14.52 | JohnGH | cydork: they didn't change my browser ;) but yeah - stupid bank. (I hate most banks! - they're mostly stupid, and mostly rip-off artists!) |
| 15:15.26 | hark | JohnGH: there is a user agent switcher extension.. |
| 15:15.29 | h3sp4wn | magnus: probably need to add at least libata - sd_mod and whatever driver you need to use |
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| 15:16.31 | stew | you'd expect both of those to get picked up automatically, however |
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| 15:17.41 | h3sp4wn | I would also but I don't know why in practice it doesn't work (maybe due to the moving of the sata stuff its no longer found by the script) |
| 15:18.08 | JohnGH | hark: Oh, OK - so it's not somthing you can change in Edit->Preferences like I seem to remember being able to do in Opera? - oh yeah, I've been running Opera along side Iceweasel to do some sites because it's a pain to have to stop everything and start Firefox - but bleagh Opera sucks compared to Firefox + extensions! |
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| 15:18.50 | Noboru | fetch is gonna out ? |
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| 15:20.27 | streuner | Noboru: /topic |
| 15:20.27 | hark | JohnGH: you can, but the addon makes it quite easy to make a quick switch |
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| 15:20.45 | Noboru | oh,it is etch :) |
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| 15:21.51 | dr1v3r | anyone have any ideas? |
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| 15:30.45 | hello_hello_hel | hello :) |
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| 15:33.13 | magnus | Ok fixing initrd solved the booting. But now I have another intresting problem. When everything seem to be going fine and I am about to get a prompt, it just starts spamming error messages regarding udev. Cant se what it says since it goes too fast. Any way to solve this? |
| 15:33.23 | abrotman | JohnGH: about:config ... i think .. |
| 15:33.43 | stew | magnus: what version of udev is installed? |
| 15:33.47 | stew | magnus: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 15:34.08 | arno | Hello |
| 15:34.29 | magnus | udev versions installed (dpkg --list |grep udev): |
| 15:34.39 | magnus | udev 0.103-2~bpo.1 |
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| 15:34.45 | JohnGH | abrotman: thanks - yup looks like general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 15:34.46 | magnus | udev-udeb 0.103-2~bpo.1 |
| 15:34.51 | magnus | those two packages |
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| 15:35.24 | Shadur | ... Is there something thoroughly retarded happening with debian's NS servers? I'm getting all sorts of crazy timeouts... |
| 15:35.33 | Shadur | shadur@bahamut:~/ > host bugs.debian.org |
| 15:35.33 | Shadur | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 15:35.38 | Shadur | shadur@bahamut:~/ > host -t ns debian.org |
| 15:35.38 | Shadur | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 15:35.49 | hello_hello_hel | where can i find libavcodec1 ? |
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| 15:36.23 | cahoot | Shadur: sure it's not local to you? works fine here |
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| 15:36.53 | daxxar | Anyone know a bit more verboes cp-tool? |
| 15:36.54 | daxxar | verbose* |
| 15:36.59 | zamuro | !ask |
| 15:37.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:37.07 | OoberMick | host works for me but I can't actually connect to the machine |
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| 15:37.21 | daxxar | Like percentage of copy, speed of copy, etc |
| 15:37.25 | daxxar | (something like wget output) |
| 15:37.35 | amphi | daxxar: mc perhaps |
| 15:37.47 | hello_hello_hel | it says that i need to install it for unmet dependicies of xvidcap_1.1.3-p7 but i have it installed already, so im guessing i need to install a .deb but i can not find one anywhare |
| 15:37.55 | magnus | Setting bootlog parameter did not help, it still spams the console |
| 15:38.19 | magnus | Its right after it says loading hotplug |
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| 15:38.54 | daxxar | amphi: something more like a cli-tool than mc? |
| 15:39.10 | amphi | daxxar: not that I'm aware of |
| 15:39.15 | magnus | It something like "udev[1709]: get ctrl_link_msg: unable to receive user kernel/udev link/message |
| 15:39.41 | magnus | Anyone know what can be wrong when that message show up? :) |
| 15:40.14 | zamuro | hello_hello_hel: apt-get -f install |
| 15:40.27 | OoberMick | Shadur: it seems to me that rietz.debian.org (which is also bugs.debian.org and one of the debian nameservers) |
| 15:40.29 | hello_hello_hel | that just removes all the uncompatible packages |
| 15:40.42 | arno | Do you know how to setup port forwarding with arno-iptables-firewall under Debian Sarge? The configuration file looks easy, and tcpdump shows me that packets are forwarded. But nothing is happening on the destination (I'm trying to connect with netcat listening on the client). |
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| 15:41.29 | OoberMick | Shadur: (I should probably finish that sentence) ... is down |
| 15:41.43 | hello_hello_hel | and so called in .deb "libavcodec1" is a non exestant package to me and i can not find it at packages.debian.org or www.google.com |
| 15:41.46 | zamuro | hello_hello_hel: Precisely... U do that, you clan the apt cache with apt-get clean and then u try again with -y option |
| 15:41.58 | zamuro | clean** |
| 15:42.13 | zamuro | hello_hello_hel: Did you modified sources.list? |
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| 15:42.41 | magnus | Ah thanks to boot log I found the full message I get on boot: udevd[1709]: get_ctrl_message: unable to receive kernel netlink message: Socket operation on non-socket. What can be wrong? :) something with udev? |
| 15:42.44 | hello_hello_hel | no i just tried to install xvidcap_1.1.3-p7_i386.deb with dpkg --install xvidcap_1.1.3-p7_i386.deb |
| 15:42.58 | lotus-blade | is there a tool to config a sound card or a wireless nic? |
| 15:43.17 | stew | lotus-blade: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:43.18 | JohnGH | daxxar: are you just doing a filesystem copy? - is it big files or lots of files? |
| 15:43.21 | zamuro | hello_hello_hel: Try modifying sources.list so maybe you can use apt for that |
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| 15:43.39 | hello_hello_hel | i dont know what to put in sources.list |
| 15:43.41 | zamuro | Add contrib and non-free |
| 15:43.46 | barefoot | lotus-blade: for sound you can use alsaconf |
| 15:43.49 | hello_hello_hel | ill try |
| 15:43.57 | hello_hello_hel | where is the file i forgot >.< |
| 15:44.09 | zamuro | Are you using etch? |
| 15:44.11 | lotus-blade | barefoot: 2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 15:44.19 | hello_hello_hel | yes |
| 15:44.37 | hello_hello_hel | where is it on your system? |
| 15:44.39 | barefoot | lotus-blade: ? |
| 15:44.41 | lotus-blade | sorry that was to stew |
| 15:44.43 | zamuro | OK... put this on your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:44.47 | barefoot | ahh |
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| 15:45.04 | zamuro | deb http://ftp.debian.org etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:45.05 | lotus-blade | stew: 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 15:45.20 | dererk[work] | I hope somebody may clean this issues up |
| 15:45.22 | zamuro | and deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main |
| 15:45.32 | zamuro | Then apt-get update |
| 15:45.36 | dererk[work] | I can't find mod_proxy module for apache2.2 |
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| 15:45.49 | stew | lotus-blade: for sound: "/msg dpkg alsa one-liner" |
| 15:45.52 | zamuro | dererk[work]: Compatriota o/ |
| 15:46.01 | stew | lotus-blade: what wireless chipset does your wireless card have? |
| 15:46.08 | dererk[work] | zamuro, traficante norcoreano o/ |
| 15:46.12 | zamuro | rofl |
| 15:46.19 | hark | hello_hello_hel: are you running etch? |
| 15:46.33 | dererk[work] | I hope somebody did use it over Apache2 |
| 15:46.35 | magnus | I added one exit 0 in the /etc/init.d/udev start script, then everything seems to be working nice |
| 15:46.48 | dererk[work] | The one that brings ReverseProxy utility |
| 15:47.04 | zamuro | dererk[work]: Where did you looked for it? |
| 15:47.07 | abrotman | stew: do you know where bugs.d.o is ? |
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| 15:47.20 | zamuro | There's gotta be some source for that somewhere. |
| 15:47.29 | hello_hello_hel | ill come back if i have problems |
| 15:47.51 | dererk[work] | oh oh oh |
| 15:48.00 | dererk[work] | apparentely it's standard on Apache2.2 |
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| 15:48.08 | dererk[work] | just waiting to be enabled :D |
| 15:48.37 | dererk[work] | a2enmod proxy |
| 15:48.37 | dererk[work] | Module proxy installed; run /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload to enable. |
| 15:48.38 | dererk[work] | :D |
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| 15:48.48 | box | how's the thing that displays text in runlevel 3 called? |
| 15:48.53 | box | is it fbdev? |
| 15:49.28 | h3sp4wn | framebuffer ? |
| 15:50.00 | dererk[work] | dpkg, mod_proxy is also Available by default on apache2 (current package name for Apache2.2.x) |
| 15:50.00 | dpkg | dererk[work]: okay |
| 15:50.06 | zamuro | dererk[work]: kill -9 apache2 |
| 15:50.07 | zamuro | xD |
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| 15:50.24 | ununbium | hello! |
| 15:50.35 | box | h3sp4wn: is framebuffer the pure console? |
| 15:50.39 | box | without the penguin |
| 15:50.52 | stew | abrotman: i don't |
| 15:51.02 | abrotman | stew: send out a search party! |
| 15:51.03 | dererk[work] | mv /home/pr0n/zamuro_and_chris_having_sex.ogg /dev/zero |
| 15:51.07 | ununbium | i have a question. a stupid one of course. i just installed debian etch on my x60s and it works fine, though i had to delete gpgv during installation using the mini.iso, whatsoever. |
| 15:51.10 | dererk[work] | zamuro, x) |
| 15:51.18 | ununbium | hibernate.sh by default uses s2disk, which doesn't work |
| 15:51.21 | stew | abrotman: the announcement said it would have been back already |
| 15:51.25 | ununbium | echo disk > /sys/power/state does work |
| 15:51.35 | h3sp4wn | box: It is what you get when you use a vga= line (and if they are enabled you get the penguins) |
| 15:51.38 | ununbium | so, whats the deal with this uswsusp? |
| 15:52.16 | box | h3sp4wn: does it depend on X.org? |
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| 15:56.09 | space_ninja | I'm about to download a debian iso but I don't know which one to choose. Is ia64 for amd64 computers or intel computers only_ |
| 15:56.10 | space_ninja | > |
| 15:56.11 | space_ninja | ? |
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| 15:56.51 | hark | !ia64 |
| 15:56.51 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 15:56.59 | stew | space_ninja: if you have to ask, you have a amd64, not a ia64 |
| 15:57.01 | hello_hello_hel | according to packages.debian.org libavcodec1 does not exist even though i need it and www.google.com gets the same |
| 15:57.23 | hark | hello_hello_hel: what are you trying to install? |
| 15:57.51 | hello_hello_hel | xvidcap_1.1.3-p7_i386.deb |
| 15:58.04 | space_ninja | then debian doens't support amd64_ |
| 15:58.06 | space_ninja | ? |
| 15:58.06 | hark | where did you get that deb from? |
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| 15:58.18 | stew | space_ninja: debian supports amd64 |
| 15:58.23 | Shadur | ... Ah, that explains why half my systems stilll worked fine - they had the NS records still cached. |
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| 15:58.46 | space_ninja | stew, is there an iso? |
| 15:58.58 | stew | space_ninja: yes, /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 15:58.58 | hello_hello_hel | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535 |
| 15:59.10 | mindframe | is there a plugin to get iceweasel to recognize jre? |
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| 15:59.14 | hark | hello_hello_hel: if you want xvidcap, it'll better to get it from debian-multimedia. /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
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| 16:00.34 | hello_hello_hel | what do i add to sources.list to apt-get from /msg dpkg debian-multimedia ? |
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| 16:00.52 | abrotman | debian-multimedia.org should tell you |
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| 16:02.01 | hark | hello_hello_hel: sarge or etch? |
| 16:02.06 | hello_hello_hel | sid |
| 16:02.11 | hello_hello_hel | i think |
| 16:02.11 | hark | oh |
| 16:02.14 | space_ninja | stew, I can't find any |
| 16:02.33 | Zapelius | I see that etch minimal install is actually huge... Is there a tool to remove absolutely everything exept very-core packages? No X11, nothing needed but linux (kernel) and some basic tools |
| 16:02.44 | abrotman | space_ninja: do you want sarge or etch ? |
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| 16:02.59 | space_ninja | I want new stuff, but not unstable |
| 16:03.01 | Zapelius | I know about LFS, but I like apt && debian :) |
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| 16:03.40 | hark | Zapelius: don't use tasksel, i guess |
| 16:03.52 | stew | space_ninja: what vesrion of debian do you wish to install? |
| 16:04.03 | fluxdude | I've got linux md raid, but when doing mdadm --detail /dev/md2 repeatedly, half the time it comes back with " State : dirty" and the other half of the time it comes back with " State : clean" |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | space_ninja: go to debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and get the amd64 daily netinst |
| 16:04.13 | fluxdude | any idea why this is? |
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| 16:04.24 | fluxdude | is it normal for the array to comes back as status "dirty"? |
| 16:04.26 | space_ninja | ok |
| 16:05.49 | abrotman | fluxdude: is it done building ? |
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| 16:06.42 | space_ninja | but is etch the latest and unstable? |
| 16:06.49 | space_ninja | i want the middle |
| 16:06.52 | fluxdude | abrotman: yes this has been in use for 1 year. |
| 16:07.02 | fluxdude | it was degraded yesterday but I rebuilt it |
| 16:07.12 | Zapelius | hark, I didn't select anything in tasksel :( |
| 16:07.30 | h3sp4wn | box: Not at all |
| 16:07.31 | stew | space_ninja: etch is currently testing. due to be released RealSoonNow |
| 16:07.37 | fluxdude | so it should be ok today, but every 2nd or 3rd time the mdadm --detail comes back as "dirty" next to state and then the next time says clean again... |
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| 16:07.54 | abrotman | stew: you forgot (tm)! |
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| 16:08.44 | box | h3sp4wn: which library does it use to output text on the screen? |
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| 16:09.05 | h3sp4wn | box: Its built into the kernel |
| 16:09.44 | hello_hello_hel | when i run apt-get -f install useing www.debian-multimedia.org in the sources.list i get http://www.pastebin.ca/367763 |
| 16:09.54 | box | h3sp4wn: is fbdev the same with the "linux framebuffer"? |
| 16:10.20 | h3sp4wn | box: fbdev is an X driver that uses the linux framebuffer (afaik) |
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| 16:11.16 | hello_hello_hel | help |
| 16:11.16 | box | h3sp4wn: so fbdev uses X.org right? |
| 16:11.28 | Zapelius | now following those rdepends is kind of annoying thing to do :| |
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| 16:12.01 | hark | hello_hello_hel: run aptitude update first |
| 16:12.01 | hello_hello_hel | k |
| 16:12.12 | h3sp4wn | box: fbdev is an xorg driver |
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| 16:12.30 | box | ok thanks |
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| 16:12.46 | daxxar | JohnGH: Big files, mostly |
| 16:12.58 | NefariousPrior | I've never ran testing before. What issues shuuld I look out for if I was to install etch today? |
| 16:13.00 | hhhjr | Ok guys back with this floppy issue. If I type mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy the system trys to access the floppy drive but returns mount point /mnt/floppy does not exist. Does that mean that the floppy support is configured into the kernel? |
| 16:13.08 | hello_hello_hel | im going to do other things for awile bie |
| 16:13.51 | NefariousPrior | hhhjr: IT means that the folder/directory /mnt/floppy doesn't exist |
| 16:14.24 | hhhjr | on the disk: |
| 16:14.32 | NefariousPrior | no |
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| 16:14.37 | hark | and he's running sid... |
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| 16:14.54 | NefariousPrior | to make the directory do: mkdir /mnt/floppy |
| 16:14.56 | NefariousPrior | then try again |
| 16:15.00 | JohnGH | daxxar: I don' t know where it is now, but I once wrote a perl program that I would run along side a copy which watched both the source file and the destination file (I was copying to/from NFS mounts) - it just did a stat on each file and printed the two sizes along side each other and checked elapsed time against start time so was able to give me an ETA guesstimate and speed - that was... |
| 16:15.01 | JohnGH | ...pretty simple |
| 16:15.12 | hhhjr | ok thanks again |
| 16:15.28 | NefariousPrior | hark: who's running what and why? |
| 16:15.31 | JohnGH | daxxar: not much good if you're copying a directory with lots of files - that's why I asked :) |
| 16:16.05 | *** topic/#debian by RichiH -> bugs.debian.net is down | Debian at FOSDEM http://xrl.us/uw2g | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 16:16.11 | RichiH | streuner: done |
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| 16:16.28 | EvilDin | hi, how can i search more text file for some word in it |
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| 16:16.43 | stew | bugs.debian.net? |
| 16:16.52 | hark | NefariousPrior: ah, nothing.. |
| 16:17.06 | NefariousPrior | EvilDin: cat file.txt | grep yourword | more |
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| 16:17.31 | danilom | is there a command to resolve from netbios name to ip? |
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| 16:17.51 | EvilDin | what about if i have more files |
| 16:17.53 | NefariousPrior | danilom: Good question. Let me know when you find out. |
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| 16:18.00 | EvilDin | cat *.txt | grep word ? |
| 16:18.15 | netman1 | I'm experiencing a lot of md5sum errors lately with apt-proxy servers I run. Anyone else seeing this and/or know of a reason or a way to deal with this? |
| 16:18.15 | NefariousPrior | EvilDin: that should work |
| 16:19.01 | stew | EvilDin: <uuoc>: grep word *.txt |
| 16:19.08 | chops | danilom: nmblookup |
| 16:19.19 | danilom | ok probare |
| 16:19.25 | EvilDin | am what about if i have more subdirs |
| 16:19.31 | danilom | chops thanks ill try it |
| 16:19.36 | chops | danilom: np |
| 16:19.52 | stew | EvilDin: find -name "*txt" -print0 | xargs -0 grep word |
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| 16:20.09 | EvilDin | thank you |
| 16:21.12 | Ronin | NefariousPrior: you'll make a fine manager one day then :) |
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| 16:21.33 | chops | NefariousPrior: Don't forget | cat | cat | cat | cat | grep '' | cat |
| 16:21.54 | NefariousPrior | hehehe |
| 16:22.07 | infernix | syscp, vhcs or ispconfig - which is the lesser of evils here? other suggestions are welcome |
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| 16:32.20 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> bugs.debian.org is down: /msg dpkg bts2 | Debian at FOSDEM http://xrl.us/uw2g | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:32.55 | stew | diff: bugs.debian.net =~ s/net/org is down: /msg dpkg bts2/ |
| 16:33.01 | stew | or so |
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| 16:33.26 | x_link | Hi, I just have a question. |
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| 16:33.40 | x_link | I installed my java with --> apt-get install sun-java5-jre before. But it doesn't seem to work now. |
| 16:33.50 | x_link | I don't find it with apt-cache search java either. |
| 16:33.53 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 16:34.12 | stew | x_link: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:34.16 | hark | you need non-free |
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| 16:34.24 | x_link | stew: Debian Etch |
| 16:34.30 | stew | x_link: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 16:34.37 | x_link | Ohhhh right. I just re-installed my debian etch and I forgot to change the repo |
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| 16:35.13 | LinuxAP_TiagoMat | opa |
| 16:35.24 | stew | !br |
| 16:35.25 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:36.21 | x_link | Then another thing. I set my resolution on 85Hz in nvidia-settings. But now when I look in my Control Center it says 137Hz |
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| 16:36.25 | x_link | Which one should I "trust" ? |
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| 16:37.28 | box | what's the difference between the gpl v2 and mit license? |
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| 16:37.44 | Harzilein | box: mit license is the bare minimum open source license |
| 16:38.00 | box | Harzilein: meaning? |
| 16:38.01 | Harzilein | box: gpl adds clauses that prevents the source being used in a non-free way |
| 16:38.33 | box | so mit can also be used in commercial apps? |
| 16:38.35 | hhhjr | HeHe thanks guys thanks for all whom helped |
| 16:38.38 | Harzilein | box: it just states that you can do anything you expect from open source and some disclaimer of liability and something about credits |
| 16:38.38 | Thms | !fr |
| 16:38.39 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:38.47 | Harzilein | box: right |
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| 16:39.22 | box | Harzilein: in mit, the credits are still there? |
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| 16:40.45 | mortal5 | anyone know a way to make ps display mem in mbytes? |
| 16:40.47 | stew | diff: bts is back up, added 3.1r5 |
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| 16:43.08 | ebbs | hi. Anybody who knows a good tool for datarecovery of a cf-flashcard. It was written by an old Nikon Digicam... The Digicam can read the pictures, but the PC cant... After typing ls -la: http://pastebin.ca/367804 |
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| 16:44.23 | jm|laptop | ebbs: fsck.msdos ? |
| 16:44.24 | ebbs | The pictures are quiet important for a friend... |
| 16:44.34 | cydork | ebbs: try testdisk. |
| 16:44.44 | ebbs | jm|laptop, ill try it |
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| 16:44.49 | ebbs | cydork, I did |
| 16:44.51 | cydork | ebbs: it also has some utility called as photorec. |
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| 16:45.11 | ebbs | cydork, k... Ill try it |
| 16:45.24 | hark | x_link: check using xrandr, i guess |
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| 16:45.47 | x_link | hark: I will try that command |
| 16:46.15 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.21 | x_link | Opps. Sorry |
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| 16:46.42 | h3sp4wn | x_link: Which version of the nvidia drivers are you using ? (dynamic twinview makes xrandr display incorrect information) |
| 16:46.50 | ebbs | cydork, testdisk is photorec... :-) So I tried it... |
| 16:46.57 | x_link | h3sp4wn: I use 9746 |
| 16:47.08 | h3sp4wn | x_link: Do you use dynamic twinview ? |
| 16:47.11 | x_link | *1 1280 x 1024 ( 306mm x 247mm ) 51 67 *134 |
| 16:47.16 | x_link | h3sp4wn: I don't think so |
| 16:47.25 | EvilDin | how can i tar some folder that all permissions will be kept |
| 16:47.55 | NefariousPrior | man tar |
| 16:48.00 | Bombo | i got ffmpeg from debian-multimedia.org but i dont see ffmpeg-dev there where do i get that? |
| 16:48.10 | h3sp4wn | x_link: You could have Option "DynamicTwinView" "False" in xorg.conf (then it displays correct information in xrandr) |
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| 16:48.28 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Where should I put that line? |
| 16:48.38 | ebbs | EvilDin, the -p option should do it |
| 16:48.40 | h3sp4wn | x_link: Section "Device" |
| 16:48.45 | EvilDin | ok tnx |
| 16:48.49 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Ok |
| 16:48.51 | h3sp4wn | x_link: (make a backup first etc) |
| 16:49.06 | x_link | I don't know how to do that |
| 16:49.24 | x_link | h3sp4wn: You mean that I should make a copy of my current xorg.conf? |
| 16:49.34 | h3sp4wn | x_link: yes just incase you make a typo |
| 16:49.40 | x_link | ohh ok |
| 16:49.46 | amphi | Bombo: libavcodec-dev & libavformat-dev I think |
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| 16:50.03 | h3sp4wn | You can use nvidia-xconfig to enable it for you if you want also (using the -A options |
| 16:50.08 | x_link | Now I can change it |
| 16:50.26 | x_link | I will change it in my xorg.conf instead |
| 16:50.38 | valdyn | EvilDin: they're kept by default when creating a tarballl, only to extract you have to set a flag |
| 16:50.47 | EvilDin | aha |
| 16:50.59 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Done... |
| 16:51.02 | x_link | WHat should I do now? |
| 16:51.02 | amphi | Bombo: and libpostproc-dev perhaps |
| 16:51.15 | h3sp4wn | x_link: restart X - xrandr should report correct information now |
| 16:51.28 | x_link | ok |
| 16:51.32 | valdyn | x_link: are you using something like compiz? |
| 16:51.38 | x_link | valdyn: I use Beryl. |
| 16:51.57 | valdyn | x_link: ok, hz values are not displayed properly in xrandr when using that |
| 16:52.02 | x_link | deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main doesn't seem to work? |
| 16:52.14 | x_link | valdyn: ohh ok |
| 16:52.15 | x_link | Well |
| 16:52.18 | x_link | It works fine for me now |
| 16:52.29 | x_link | I just want to know where to change the Hz if I want to change it sometime. |
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| 16:52.38 | mindframe | what package is smbmount in? |
| 16:52.39 | ebbs | me too, Im using beryl with xgl in an ati. |
| 16:53.00 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: Its nothing to do with beryl / compiz its to do with the nvidia driver |
| 16:53.09 | JarJarBinks | canI match on multiple names with find, I'm doing this: find /usr/share/texmf/fonts -name \*.{tfm,mf} |
| 16:53.24 | JarJarBinks | but it seems I can't show both tfm and mf files this way |
| 16:53.42 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: im really lazy to dig up the bug report now, but compiz / beryl _do_ fuckup hz values in xrandr when using the nvidia driver, no matter who's fault it may be |
| 16:53.43 | stew | JarJarBinks: find -name \*.tfm -o -name \*.mf |
| 16:53.47 | x_link | hrmmm |
| 16:53.48 | JarJarBinks | stew: thank you |
| 16:54.31 | x_link | Anybody here could tell me a multimedia repo to use? |
| 16:54.40 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 16:54.40 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: nvidia fucks it up with the 9xxx drivers by default - its trashed no matter what wm you use |
| 16:54.40 | dpkg | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 16:55.06 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: probably |
| 16:55.36 | NefariousPrior | dd if=/dev/urandom of =~/.plan bs=1k count=3000 |
| 16:55.38 | x_link | h3sp4wn: I had alot of problems with 9746 as well. To install it etc. |
| 16:55.56 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: iirc its composite related, but i cant really switch that off right now, but im indeed seeing fucked values w/ metacity too |
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| 16:56.48 | h3sp4wn | valdyn: If you are not using dyamic twinview you can just use Option "DynamicTwinView" "False" (and I use Option "IncludeImplicitMetaModes" "False" but that is not needed) |
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| 16:57.12 | valdyn | h3sp4wn: i see |
| 16:57.35 | row | Does tar, bzip or gzip offer passwords+encryption options? |
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| 16:57.55 | row | or any other opensource/free password+encryption type archive apps? |
| 16:57.56 | h3sp4wn | Its because of xrandr (at least before the newest one) not being able to have 2 modes with the same hertz rating or something |
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| 17:13.42 | Zapelius | mm... is there a way to remove (--purge) config files of removed packages *after* removing them, without re-install ? |
| 17:13.48 | Zapelius | :) |
| 17:14.07 | h3xis | what's wrong with reinstalling |
| 17:14.15 | moshii | I've just installed a system with LVM I want to convert it to raid1.. is it possible? |
| 17:14.20 | Zapelius | I don't know those packages any more.. |
| 17:14.27 | h3xis | ah |
| 17:14.47 | Zapelius | they are >200 |
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| 17:15.57 | Zapelius | I got this installation to as low as 845M already. way to go to fit this one on a 512M flash... :D |
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| 17:16.12 | cydork | Zapelius: /msg dpkg purge |
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| 17:17.22 | Zapelius | mm... I have to reinstall aptitude again |
| 17:17.23 | Zapelius | thanks cydork |
| 17:17.23 | Zapelius | :) |
| 17:18.17 | Zapelius | nah, aptitude was still there |
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| 17:20.15 | izzyb | I'm in need of unrar, but it doesn't appear to be in the standard sources. It's listedd as non-free, which I'm assuming means I need to add something to my sources.list. Anyone able to tell me what I need to add? |
| 17:20.18 | Zapelius | whoo! aptitude looks very nice and clever. I'll keep it :) |
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| 17:21.19 | cydork | Zapelius: it is :) |
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| 17:23.00 | cydork | izzyb: it will be like -> "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" |
| 17:23.13 | cydork | izzyb: change sarge to etch if you are on etch. |
| 17:23.40 | izzyb | thanks. that's what I was looking for :) |
| 17:25.54 | JohnGH | laters all |
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| 17:30.28 | ktwilight_ | how do i find out which reiserfs debian supports? my googling skills sux for this :/ |
| 17:30.54 | sepski | !resiserfs |
| 17:30.58 | sepski | !reiserfs |
| 17:30.58 | dpkg | reiserfs is, like, a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: government-sponsered, highly scientific and secretive. |
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| 17:31.12 | sepski | ktwilight_, please reconsider using reiser |
| 17:31.21 | ktwilight_ | ? |
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| 17:31.41 | ktwilight_ | there's v3 and v4, just wondering which debian uses. |
| 17:31.46 | ktwilight_ | i'm guessing it's still v3? |
| 17:32.24 | rahul | debian doesn't decide which reiserfs you use |
| 17:32.56 | ktwilight_ | um, k. so which is offered? |
| 17:34.06 | amphi | ktwilight_: reiser4 isn't in the kernel at all AFAIK |
| 17:34.16 | ktwilight_ | oh, k. thanks :) |
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| 17:35.06 | NefariousPrior | I've never ran testing before. What issues shuuld I look out for if I was to install etch today? |
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| 17:36.10 | itchi | NefariousPrior: Take a look on the debian's wiki ;-) |
| 17:36.28 | stew | NefariousPrior: security issues and testing usually doesn't get timely security updates |
| 17:36.34 | stew | s/and/as/ |
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| 17:38.13 | NefariousPrior | thanks |
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| 17:38.40 | stew | NefariousPrior: and possibly look at apt-listbugs |
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| 17:39.11 | valdyn | ktwilight_: reiser4 is not for users |
| 17:39.33 | stew | for data lusers |
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| 17:39.49 | itchi | NefariousPrior: btw, use the search feature on the wiki ;-) |
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| 17:40.18 | ktwilight_ | so it's in existence for the sake of it...? |
| 17:40.21 | valdyn | its excellent, just not ready for endusers |
| 17:40.37 | ktwilight_ | ah |
| 17:40.43 | itchi | hhmm, shit still happend ^ |
| 17:41.10 | Genesis__ | can anyone help me with fixing my screen on imac , i just havent been able to fix for days |
| 17:41.12 | valdyn | ktwilight_: you want to use reiser3 in the safest mode really, fs speed is irrelevant for most puproses |
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| 17:41.25 | valdyn | ktwilight_: ops, that was WRONG, i meant ext3 |
| 17:41.28 | ktwilight_ | ah |
| 17:41.34 | itchi | Genesis__: Your screen or the app screen? |
| 17:41.35 | ktwilight_ | well, am using XFS, just looking out for alternatives |
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| 17:42.25 | Genesis__ | the app screen, i guess. im new to linux |
| 17:42.35 | pheeror | hi, i get during boot message about wrong syntax in file /etc/udev/rules.d/net-rename (but i already deleted this file and now i use z25.....). what can i do? |
| 17:42.56 | itchi | Genesis__: Maybe, tell what's happend |
| 17:43.31 | pheeror | it is after boot runs /scripts/init-preload (any pseudo-script? google doesn't know it :( ) |
| 17:43.40 | h3sp4wn | ktwilight_: JFS has worked pretty well for me (been using it now for 6 months or so on a desktop - with no important files really but I haven't had any issues yet) (and the make clean being stupidly slow issue with XFS doesn't exist) |
| 17:43.43 | pheeror | debian etch |
| 17:43.45 | Genesis__ | i had debian install a couple days ago,i went trought the installation process. |
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| 17:44.16 | ktwilight_ | h3sp4wn, haha yes i saw that, and i was like "what?!" |
| 17:44.20 | Genesis__ | the x server doesnt want to start |
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| 17:44.31 | ktwilight_ | i haven't look into jfs tbh. i should... |
| 17:44.41 | Genesis__ | i guess theres a misconfiguration |
| 17:44.46 | itchi | !drxx |
| 17:44.46 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 17:44.50 | itchi | Genesis__: ^^ |
| 17:45.16 | Genesis__ | ok |
| 17:45.31 | pheeror | ? |
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| 17:46.25 | itchi | Genesis__: The app 'screen' is a complete other stuff btw, but not borrow about it at this stage ;-) |
| 17:46.45 | stew | borrow? |
| 17:47.24 | itchi | stew: hhhm, 'not make you crazy about it' |
| 17:47.45 | itchi | stew: I guess i'm sad :-) |
| 17:47.56 | Genesis__ | the blue screen came on with the configurarion sever |
| 17:48.11 | itchi | gggrr that English ..., i gona never learn it :-s |
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| 17:48.25 | stew | itchi: you meant 'worry' |
| 17:48.48 | itchi | stew: Push it in my head, with the big hamer :-) |
| 17:48.56 | pheeror | weird, messages was only on screen, nothing in kern.log |
| 17:49.04 | itchi | stew: I appreciate your correction |
| 17:49.15 | pheeror | networking is totally fucked because of it |
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| 17:51.49 | stew | pheeror: what is /scripts/init-preload? |
| 17:51.50 | pheeror | i can see it while booting |
| 17:51.50 | pheeror | same message about it |
| 17:51.57 | stew | pheeror: are you running debian? |
| 17:52.05 | x_link | h3sp4wn: ERROR: Dynamic TwinView is disabled on screen 0. I get that error now when i do "nvidia-settings" |
| 17:52.06 | pickcoder | stew: it's part of the initrd |
| 17:52.07 | stew | pheeror: debian wouldn't have created a /scripts/ directory |
| 17:52.10 | stew | oh |
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| 17:52.27 | stew | pheeror: tried rebuilding your initrd? |
| 17:52.31 | h3sp4wn | x_link: Either use dynamic twinview or don't |
| 17:52.31 | stew | pheeror: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:52.36 | pheeror | stew: nice |
| 17:52.42 | pheeror | good hint, thanks |
| 17:53.57 | x_link | h3sp4wn: What is the difference of using that line or not? |
| 17:53.58 | stew | pheeror: if you are using debian kernels, "dpkg-reconfigure $kernelpackagename" will cause a new initrd to get created |
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| 17:53.58 | pickcoder | and make sure you run update-grub |
| 17:53.59 | pickcoder | I dunno if the kernel package postconfig does that |
| 17:53.59 | h3sp4wn | x_link: The entire conversation we had last time (I am not in a position to repeat it sorry) look back in your logs |
| 17:54.01 | pheeror | do i have to do it after any change in /udev ? |
| 17:54.13 | stew | pickcoder: depends on postinst lines in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 17:54.28 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Ok |
| 17:54.28 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Ohh right, it would should the right results. |
| 17:54.40 | h3sp4wn | x_link: if you run xrandr now you should get the correct resolutions |
| 17:54.50 | x_link | h3sp4wn: But it seems like some of my options in nvidia-settings seems to be gone now |
| 17:54.53 | x_link | h3sp4wn: Okey |
| 17:54.56 | deadcat | i am getting kernel panic and i dont know what to do: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/qube3/kernelpanic |
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| 17:55.07 | pickcoder | 1.45 more days until vacation |
| 17:55.10 | x_link | *1 1280 x 1024 ( 306mm x 247mm ) *85 75 60 |
| 17:55.18 | x_link | Not it's right |
| 17:55.29 | x_link | But now Control Center/Display aslo says 85 |
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| 17:56.21 | h3sp4wn | that is right |
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| 17:57.02 | itchi | hhhm, we can define the resolution we use with xrandr, coool again learned some stuff |
| 17:58.33 | burd_stu | I am trying to use freeradius with EAP support.. just found out debian doesnt compile EAP with freeradius due to GPL issues with OpenSSL.. does anyone know if/how i can build a package from the debian source available with EAS? |
| 17:58.51 | burd_stu | *EAP |
| 17:59.10 | stew | burd_stu: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 17:59.19 | pickcoder | deadcat: disable your wlan card |
| 17:59.28 | deadcat | pickcoder: but i need it.. |
| 17:59.48 | deadcat | pickcoder: so its the wlan card? or thats just the wlan card disconnecting to the AP? |
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| 18:00.37 | pickcoder | it's hard to tell |
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| 18:01.07 | pickcoder | invalid opcode is never good |
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| 18:02.09 | pickcoder | the process causing it looks like awk |
| 18:02.18 | deadcat | pickcoder: damn. i kinna need the wlan.. could it be because i patched the hostap with the patch from aircrack-ng? |
| 18:02.29 | pickcoder | definately probable |
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| 18:04.27 | deadcat | pickcoder: k. gonna redo the kernwl without hostap patch. |
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| 18:08.13 | burd_stu | stew, do I add this to the rules file somewhere? You will also need to add a Build-Depends on libssl-dev and libpq-dev |
| 18:08.51 | pickcoder | deadcat: you can always remove it from auto start and see if the kernel boots ok |
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| 18:09.01 | pickcoder | if it does, then you know it's the hostap module |
| 18:09.22 | stoned | hey |
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| 18:14.36 | pheeror | thank you stew, now it works great |
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| 18:14.49 | deadcat | pickcoder: it boots ok. it just panic after its been up for a while |
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| 18:18.35 | dimbit | Hi all. Just about to put in a new graphics card (nvidia). I already have nvidia drivers installed for my current gpu (onboard). Will I need to remove and reinstall the drivers? Will I definitely need to reconfigure X? |
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| 18:20.00 | lex | Do we have a reverse proxy for the pop protocol? |
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| 18:21.13 | porkpie | hi guys |
| 18:21.34 | porkpie | Can anyone help with this one please Starting MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 18:21.34 | porkpie | Checking for crashed MySQL tables in the background. |
| 18:21.34 | porkpie | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 18:21.34 | porkpie | error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 18:21.34 | porkpie | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
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| 18:22.17 | stew | porkpie: read /usr/share/doc/$packagename/README.Debian |
| 18:22.18 | dkr | porkpie: apparently you modified the mysql.users table |
| 18:22.32 | porkpie | hmm! |
| 18:22.44 | porkpie | don't remember doing that |
| 18:22.56 | stew | he deleted the debian-sys-maint user or changed its password without updating /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 18:24.35 | porkpie | stew:I haven't deleted anything |
| 18:24.57 | Lannix | Hey, could someone give me some guidance on something? |
| 18:25.02 | porkpie | stew:what do I need to update |
| 18:25.24 | stew | porkpie: well. somehow debian-sys-maint cant login using credentials from /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 18:25.27 | apk | Lannix: turn left at the 2nd light. |
| 18:25.43 | apk | Lannix: Just ask your question. |
| 18:25.48 | Lannix | I'm trying to compile a kernel module, but I keep getting the same error from make; 'make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-powerpc/build: No such file or directory.' |
| 18:25.53 | porkpie | ah OK ...I will find out what it is set to |
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| 18:26.11 | stew | porkpie: read the README.Debian |
| 18:26.18 | Lannix | I've used apt-get to download just about every kernel package I could, but nothing yet... |
| 18:26.38 | stew | Lannix: you need kernel-haeders-2.6.8-powerpc |
| 18:26.58 | stew | hmm, though that doens't look like a debian kernel |
| 18:27.05 | jane_ | hi I've just installed debian and azureus but I can't set the disk cache size. The field shows 1 and it cant be changed. the text on the right says something strange like "the current maximum vm size is 883922[...] TB" |
| 18:27.25 | Lannix | shut up jane, we're solving my problem first... |
| 18:27.28 | Lannix | ;) |
| 18:27.49 | Lannix | I don't care, if you can't help, that's fine, it's hardly life-threatening |
| 18:27.53 | Lannix | :) |
| 18:28.01 | stew | Lannix: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:28.23 | Lannix | stew: 2.6.8-powerpc |
| 18:28.36 | stew | @info kernel-headers-2.6.8-powerpc sarge |
| 18:28.40 | rahul | Lannix: you need the headers |
| 18:28.53 | stew | (i think ravenbird is ppc) |
| 18:29.07 | stew | but i'd expect a debian revision to be in that version string |
| 18:29.12 | stew | like 2.6.8-3-powerpc |
| 18:29.19 | rahul | hmm yes |
| 18:29.42 | Lannix | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-powerpc |
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| 18:29.56 | stew | Lannix: what about without the -3 |
| 18:29.59 | Lannix | Same error with 2.6.8-powerpc |
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| 18:30.11 | rahul | Lannix: where did you get this kernel? |
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| 18:30.36 | Lannix | rahul: came with the installation |
| 18:30.44 | Lannix | 3.1r4-netinst |
| 18:31.02 | stew | @info kernel-headers-2.6.8 sarge |
| 18:31.06 | jelly | stew: I think the bot did i386 arch? |
| 18:31.14 | stew | jelly: i don't think so |
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| 18:33.11 | jelly | stew: a peek at locally installed blootbot, /usr/share/blootbot/src/Modules/Debian.pl suggests so |
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| 18:37.46 | jepler | If I run dpkg-buildpackage, I'm told I'm missing a build requirement. Is there a command I can run that also consults debian/control and calls 'apt-get install' to install the needed packages, like 'apt-get build-dep' would if the package was from a repository in my sources.list? |
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| 18:41.01 | Flimzy | jelper: some combination of 'grep', piping, and apt-get install should accomplish that :P |
| 18:41.30 | wes | how do I get the new gpg keys? apt-get update is giving me 'could not be verified because the public key is not available...' |
| 18:42.06 | stew | wes: /topic |
| 18:42.30 | jepler | Flimzy: thanks, I was hoping for something already written for that purpose |
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| 18:42.46 | wes | shoot, thanks stew |
| 18:44.27 | Flimzy | jepler: I know of no such thing... that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, tho. |
| 18:44.38 | Flimzy | jepler: You could put your .deb in a local repo... then use apt-get build-dep |
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| 18:45.45 | Flimzy | A coworker of mine has decided that mogilefs is the greatest thing since sliced bread... I'm wondering if there are any other clusterable filesystems that already exist in Debian that we could use instead? |
| 18:46.56 | stew | @info linux-image-2.6.18-4-powerpc |
| 18:47.06 | cydork | jepler: it has a control file right? |
| 18:47.10 | ravenbird | linux-image-2.6.18-4-powerpc: (Linux 2.6.18 image on uniprocessor 32-bit PowerPC), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-11 (sid), Packaged size: 16236 kB, Installed size: 50196 kB |
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| 18:47.59 | cydork | jepler: apt-get install `grep Build-Depends control |sed 's/Build-Depends://;s/(.*)//g;s/,//g'` ;) |
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| 18:48.49 | RichiH | . |
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| 18:49.05 | streuner_ | RichiH: ! ;-) |
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| 18:49.24 | RichiH | streuner_: just trying to lure out spambots |
| 18:49.32 | streuner_ | heh |
| 18:49.48 | stew | jelly: see ravenbird |
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| 18:50.32 | cydork | stew: it must have a modified Debian.pl |
| 18:51.08 | cwheeler | I need an etch netboot install image, the one i downloaded a couple days ago won't boot. which one should i use? |
| 18:51.29 | porkpie | stew:the password in the mysql table how is that created |
| 18:51.43 | jelly | stew: Ah, finally I see a reason for having a number of remarkable similar bots |
| 18:51.54 | jelly | s/le/ly/ |
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| 18:51.59 | porkpie | stew:I mean how do I change it |
| 18:52.04 | tarzeau | can someone update the topic faq wiki url into: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC please? |
| 18:52.54 | streuner_ | ask stew, he is the only OP around here, apart of RichiH |
| 18:53.42 | streuner_ | hah |
| 18:53.56 | rahul | !dpkg tell RichiH about away |
| 18:53.57 | rahul | :P |
| 18:53.58 | rahul | dh |
| 18:54.01 | rahul | doh, even |
| 18:54.03 | jepler | cydork: thanks -- that would probably work, as long as the version numbers specified weren't important |
| 18:54.05 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 18:54.21 | rahul | I think I'll stick to coding lisp for now :P |
| 18:54.42 | rahul | frigging XML weenies. |
| 18:54.44 | RichiH | rahul: heh |
| 18:54.44 | cydork | jepler: yep true. |
| 18:54.56 | jepler | in my case I don't think they would have been |
| 18:55.02 | RichiH | rahul: good thing it did not work, anyway ;) |
| 18:55.10 | jepler | oh -- there's also the "|", can that be used in Build-Depends? |
| 18:55.14 | jepler | e.g., Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxi6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 18:55.19 | rahul | they think an XML schema is a subsitute for actually telling me what the fields are supposed to represent |
| 18:55.27 | rahul | RichiH: pfft :P |
| 18:55.42 | jepler | rahul: yeah I've felt the same way |
| 18:55.51 | streuner_ | RichiH: just do it |
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| 18:57.48 | cydork | jepler: aah forgot about that :) |
| 18:58.05 | rahul | hmm I should eat something |
| 18:58.22 | abrotman | rahul: big rats in NYC .. filling meal! |
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| 18:58.42 | rahul | hehe |
| 18:58.51 | rahul | that would require going to the subway |
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| 18:59.43 | rahul | what the hell is an IdAd in airline jargon? |
| 18:59.53 | rahul | I can't frigging find it anywhere with google |
| 19:00.01 | streuner_ | !ops s/http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC |
| 19:00.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: streuner_ complains about: s/http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC |
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| 19:00.47 | streuner_ | tarzeau: wtf, what's wrong with /http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ ? |
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| 19:01.26 | abrotman | streuner_: they're going to kick your ass :) |
| 19:01.29 | tarzeau | streuner_: it was there because debian had no official wiki/faq for #debian |
| 19:01.34 | rahul | penixhuggers |
| 19:01.43 | streuner_ | abrotman: you are a 'whiner' |
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| 19:01.46 | dazjorz | Hi |
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| 19:01.49 | tarzeau | streuner_: and me having had too much time |
| 19:01.51 | dazjorz | How do I resize a partition again? |
| 19:02.00 | dazjorz | it's ext3 |
| 19:02.02 | tarzeau | dazjorz: gnu parted can do so, sometimes |
| 19:02.03 | streuner_ | (g)part |
| 19:02.10 | cwheeler | where do I find the netinstall iso image for etch? |
| 19:02.11 | abrotman | streuner_: i'm a whiner when there's no op to kick trolls/morons .. changing the topic isn't something i whine about .. and we've been told before to not bother them for topic changes |
| 19:02.12 | tarzeau | streuner_: no gpart, guesses partition tables |
| 19:02.25 | rahul | dpkg tell cwheeler about d-i |
| 19:02.34 | dazjorz | okay, i'll try parted |
| 19:02.35 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 19:02.39 | tarzeau | streuner_: besides my moin is very old, i'll get rid of it |
| 19:02.46 | streuner_ | ic |
| 19:03.00 | tarzeau | streuner_: i've found a much more efficient time to "waste" time :) |
| 19:03.04 | streuner_ | abrotman: we need to change the topic, its outdated... |
| 19:03.30 | streuner_ | abrotman: according to tarzeau..., so what problem do you have? :-) |
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| 19:03.40 | abrotman | heh |
| 19:04.16 | tarzeau | streuner_: it doesn't matter, i'll create a redirection. but it's nicer to have the people at the place directly where they want to be |
| 19:04.17 | streuner_ | sure |
| 19:05.02 | dazjorz | tarzeau: when I resize a partition using resize in parted, all data will remain as long as the new size isn't smaller than the used space, I assume? |
| 19:05.04 | tarzeau | streuner_: a lot of the information is outdated, due to the spammings/accounts need for write. but i hope it gets better at wiki.d.o |
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| 19:05.18 | tarzeau | dazjorz: i wouldn't count on it :) |
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| 19:05.52 | dazjorz | tarzeau: how to make sure? |
| 19:05.54 | S1amDunk | is there a cat to mouse command in linux? |
| 19:06.02 | tarzeau | dazjorz: make a backup, and try? |
| 19:06.21 | S1amDunk | like cat somefile /dev/mouse clipboard |
| 19:06.28 | dazjorz | tarzeau: okay... |
| 19:06.52 | tarzeau | S1amDunk: i needed 3 times to get your nick right... |
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| 19:07.19 | S1amDunk | hehe, i should stop that stuff |
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| 19:07.52 | tarzeau | S1amDunk: that'd be an x tool. they exist, but i can't remember its name, maybe man xclipboard ? |
| 19:08.07 | rahul | xclip |
| 19:08.24 | rahul | yeah, +board |
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| 19:08.58 | rahul | also, xcutsel |
| 19:09.18 | SpamDrunk | tarzeau, i'm comming into the box no x-server using putty, if i can get a file into the mouse i can paste it outside th machine into another text file, cheap ftp |
| 19:09.38 | rahul | hrm, no, xclipboard is gui |
| 19:09.47 | tarzeau | SpamDrunk: gnu screen can copy paste too (without mouse) |
| 19:09.49 | rahul | there's something that's just a command |
| 19:09.51 | tonyyarusso | Hi, I'm attempting to try my hand at packaging (first for Ubuntu, but if I succeed hopefully sending back to Debian too), and was wondering if someone could help explain the debian/rules file to me, as that seems to be my sticking point. |
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| 19:10.06 | tarzeau | tonyyarusso: which software? |
| 19:10.08 | rahul | dpkg tell tonyyarusso about nmg |
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| 19:10.45 | tonyyarusso | tarzeau: It's called KompoZer, and is intended to be a stopgap bugfix between Nvu and the eventual Composer2. |
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| 19:11.18 | tarzeau | tonyyarusso: i see |
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| 19:12.04 | SpamDrunk | right now, midnight commander is recognizing the mouse through putty, a can cut n paste but not entire files :( |
| 19:12.25 | SpamDrunk | man gpm |
| 19:12.31 | SpamDrunk | maybe? |
| 19:12.44 | alexIdoia | hey I am trying to reconfigure mysql, I tried dpkg --reconfigure mysql.. but it pops up the help menu cos reconfigure argument does not exist |
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| 19:12.54 | alexIdoia | what am I missing there ? |
| 19:13.01 | rahul | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:13.07 | alexIdoia | course |
| 19:13.09 | alexIdoia | thanks |
| 19:13.11 | ApEtc | dpkg-reconfigure as one word |
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| 19:14.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen cavez of phear? |
| 19:14.22 | abrotman | no |
| 19:14.43 | stoned | abrotman: you're using opera browser right now? |
| 19:15.24 | mentor | streuner_: Has the content been moved over? |
| 19:15.44 | SpamDrunk | what's the console mouse package? |
| 19:15.48 | streuner_ | mentor: tarzeau doesn't support the URL in the topic... |
| 19:15.51 | streuner_ | anymore |
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| 19:16.07 | streuner_ | mentor: so he want wish to change that... |
| 19:16.13 | mentor | OK. |
| 19:16.15 | stoned | abrotman: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org and could you also tell me if the menus/submenus are transparent or not. Also are the menus sticking yet or not? the menu images are not transparent in firefox but I've been told they are in opera. Also menus stick and work find in firefox but not in opera. page/css validates. |
| 19:16.21 | mentor | Has someone got a dump of the wiki? |
| 19:16.22 | dazjorz | argh... I keep forgetting the command to recursively get the size of a directory |
| 19:16.31 | dazjorz | what was it again? |
| 19:16.46 | stoned | abrotman: could you confirm this for me? |
| 19:17.04 | hatta | du |
| 19:17.18 | kelsin | dazjorz: du can do it, with the --maxdepth <n> argument to not display every directory |
| 19:17.18 | stoned | or anyone for that matter |
| 19:17.25 | dazjorz | stoned: they aren't transparent in firefox indeed |
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| 19:17.28 | sohmestra | dazjorz: du -sh |
| 19:17.40 | Flimzy | Woot... I get to convert another FC machine to Debian |
| 19:17.43 | SpamDrunk | dazjorz, du maybe |
| 19:17.51 | dazjorz | stoned, and they are in opera :) |
| 19:17.54 | stoned | dazjorz: well it is a multilayered transparent image png |
| 19:18.02 | stoned | dazjorz: WHAT! is gong on!! |
| 19:18.03 | stoned | :( |
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| 19:18.07 | rgsteele | So, why exactly does UW-IMAP need to run the imapd daemon as root? |
| 19:18.07 | abrotman | stoned: they are .. but they don't stay down |
| 19:18.13 | sohmestra | dazjorz: will summarize the usage of the given directory in human readable units (it wont show you the folders it contains) |
| 19:18.19 | dazjorz | stoned: make them CSS transparant through opacity filters etc? |
| 19:18.28 | rgsteele | I'm in the process of converting all the boxes to use Dovecot, but this struck me as odd. |
| 19:18.47 | dazjorz | thanks sohmestra, SpamDrunk, kelsin |
| 19:18.55 | rgsteele | Dovecot runs as it's own user... I think UW IMAP is just stupid, but I want some confirmation there :) |
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| 19:19.17 | stoned | dazjorz: but I don't want it to be transparent really |
| 19:19.19 | sepski | rgsteele, uw-imap is just stupid |
| 19:19.20 | streuner_ | tarzeau: ping |
| 19:19.20 | stoned | heh |
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| 19:19.25 | tarzeau | streuner_: pong |
| 19:19.35 | stoned | I have to redo my images I guess. I shouldnt save them as transparent images |
| 19:19.41 | streuner_ | tarzeau: mentor> Has someone got a dump of the wiki? |
| 19:19.46 | stoned | otherwise with transparency I have to rethink the whole design idea |
| 19:19.53 | dazjorz | stoned: So don't make it a transparent png image |
| 19:19.57 | tarzeau | streuner_: well yes i have all the files. i've just moved them to wiki.d.o |
| 19:20.00 | rgsteele | sepski: Yeah, I suspected as much. I suppose I already knew that, since I'm moving over to Dovecot. I've found that Dovecot handles large inboxes much more gracefully. |
| 19:20.00 | dazjorz | stoned: Or ask #css |
| 19:20.06 | stoned | dazjorz: tht what I just said |
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| 19:20.15 | streuner_ | mentor: you heard what tarzeau said ^^^ |
| 19:20.18 | rgsteele | That and Maildir is ftw |
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| 19:20.47 | cheeseboy | will debian fit on 1 gig? |
| 19:20.54 | streuner_ | sure |
| 19:20.58 | valdyn | cheeseboy: some of it |
| 19:21.06 | tonyyarusso | withput bells and whistles |
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| 19:21.12 | chops | rgsteele: Please don't use uw-imap. I installed it long ago on a one-off request from a user, and I estimate that the subsequent hassle was only slightly less than if I had implemented my own IMAP server from scratch. |
| 19:21.12 | mentor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.13 | rgsteele | cheeseboy: If you want somethign really slimmed down but Debian based, check out Voyage |
| 19:21.16 | *** topic/#debian by mentor -> /msg dpkg 3.1r5 | Debian at FOSDEM http://xrl.us/uw2g | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 19:21.29 | streuner_ | thanks mentor |
| 19:21.30 | valdyn | cheeseboy: debian is the largest coherent software repository in existance, but you can install as few as you want down to ~200mb |
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| 19:21.56 | thomas__ | how to tar -zxvf a file in a specific directory ? |
| 19:22.10 | rgsteele | cheeseboy: http://linux.voyage.hk |
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| 19:22.33 | rahul | thomas__: a distination dir? |
| 19:22.33 | rahul | dest... |
| 19:22.33 | karsten | cheeseboy: Technically, ~96 MB for the base install, ~150 MB for something usable. |
| 19:22.33 | thomas__ | rahul: yes |
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| 19:22.33 | tarzeau | valdyn: down to 200mb? that was 3 years ago |
| 19:22.33 | rgsteele | cheeseboy: Debian based, and super small |
| 19:22.33 | rahul | thomas__: -C |
| 19:22.33 | tarzeau | valdyn: it's like 300mb nowadays |
| 19:22.34 | streuner_ | thanks tarzeau for support wiki this long time for #debian anyway |
| 19:22.37 | karsten | thomas__: cd $SPECIFIC_DIRECTORY; tar xzvf file |
| 19:22.37 | rahul | thomas__: remember that the tar file's name has to come right after the f |
| 19:22.41 | valdyn | tarzeau: probably |
| 19:22.43 | rgsteele | cheeseboy: less than 128 MB |
| 19:22.46 | geo-rge | tar xzvf /wheres/da/file/at.tar.ga |
| 19:22.57 | tarzeau | streuner_: it was a pleasure |
| 19:22.58 | karsten | thomas__: Alternatively, use 'mc' and its virtfs capabilities to just copy the file out of the archive. |
| 19:23.05 | streuner_ | !tarzeau++ |
| 19:23.05 | rgsteele | cheeseboy: I'm using it on an embedded system and it works great. |
| 19:23.26 | rahul | .tzr.gz? |
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| 19:23.33 | thomas__ | tar -zxvf serendipity -C ~/public_html/ why don't that work ? |
| 19:23.34 | rahul | ge(o-r) |
| 19:23.35 | rgsteele | it's a tarzeau gzip! |
| 19:23.47 | karsten | rzhul: Zbsolutely! |
| 19:23.57 | rahul | thomas__: because serendipity is not a gzipped tarball? |
| 19:24.14 | geo-rge | tar xaf? |
| 19:24.14 | rahul | thomas__: why are you asking riddles? |
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| 19:24.17 | cheeseboy | rgsteele, hows it look? |
| 19:24.20 | geo-rge | err |
| 19:24.24 | geo-rge | tzr xaf? |
| 19:24.27 | rgsteele | cheeseboy: Like Debian :) |
| 19:24.28 | rahul | heh |
| 19:24.46 | thomas__ | tar -zxvf serendipity-1.1.1.tar.gz -C ~/public_html/ don't work but tar -zxvf serendipity-1.1.1.tar.gz works... |
| 19:24.47 | dmesg | hi whicht dependencies do i need to install a wiki on php5? |
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| 19:25.06 | rahul | thomas__: you don't need the first - but that shouldn't make a diff... |
| 19:25.16 | rahul | thomas__: why don't you want to tell us the error? |
| 19:25.23 | karsten | dmesg: Depends on the wiki. If it's packaged for debian, non-problem, apt will sort it out. |
| 19:25.24 | thomas__ | it can't chdir |
| 19:25.37 | karsten | thomas__: permissions? |
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| 19:25.42 | geo-rge | what dir are you in now |
| 19:25.53 | rahul | thomas__: does the dir exist? |
| 19:26.01 | dmesg | karsten apt-get install wiki? |
| 19:26.17 | karsten | dmesg: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 19:26.31 | dmesg | ok |
| 19:26.38 | karsten | dmesg: ... and, well, it depends on what wiki you want to install. apt-cache search wiki / aptitude search wiki |
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| 19:26.50 | karsten | !tell dmesg about aptitude |
| 19:26.58 | dmesg | ah ok |
| 19:27.07 | dmesg | let me try :) |
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| 19:27.32 | stoned | hey hey hey! =D dazjorz check the site now in opera if you will |
| 19:27.51 | tarzeau | stoned: if you tell me the url i'll check it with links2 |
| 19:28.03 | stoned | stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 19:28.24 | rgsteele | chops: Yeah, I'm a Dovecot proponent - UW has been nothing but a pain in my experience. |
| 19:28.31 | stoned | its just a basic template right now, but all menus and content would change to be more debianry |
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| 19:28.48 | pickcoder | uw.. |
| 19:28.48 | stoned | well more about debian and music about debian specific apps |
| 19:28.50 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:28.54 | dazjorz | stoned: works perfect :) |
| 19:29.01 | LinkinTurk | hi. is there anyone for about VHCS ISP Control Panel?? |
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| 19:29.11 | dazjorz | LinkinTurk, #vhcs |
| 19:29.13 | chops | rgsteele: I've never tried anything but uw-imap (and the user has since migrated to webmail, so I don't have to deal with it anymore), but I now have a firm "just say no" policy on it. |
| 19:29.17 | stoned | well at least the stuff tht is packaged in debian |
| 19:29.35 | LinkinTurk | dazjorz nobody is there :)) |
| 19:29.39 | rgsteele | chops: Dovecot is great, you should check it out some time. |
| 19:29.43 | karsten | LinkinTurk: Ask. |
| 19:29.43 | tarzeau | stoned: oh, know schism and opencubicplayer ? |
| 19:29.48 | karsten | LinkinTurk: WTF is VHCS? |
| 19:30.02 | tarzeau | stoned: in ff the menu covers the text... |
| 19:30.10 | tarzeau | stoned: why not put such stuff into wiki.d.o ? |
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| 19:30.21 | dazjorz | karsten, it's a control panel. |
| 19:30.31 | LinkinTurk | My server Debian Etch. I cannot install it. is it impossible install to Etch? |
| 19:30.32 | stoned | tarzeau: its supposed to cover the text its a menu, take your mouse off it and it won't cover the text anymore |
| 19:30.40 | stoned | tarzeau: no but I will find out |
| 19:31.02 | rgsteele | In ff for me stoned, the thing is slow as death. |
| 19:31.13 | rgsteele | All sorts of laggy. |
| 19:31.17 | karsten | dazjorz: Why doesn't someone create an anarchy panel? |
| 19:31.27 | stoned | tarzeau: I'm using php, xhtml, css to make a website template. soon I'll modularize it, and turn it into a CMS. where you edit content, it creates pages, links them, and styles them |
| 19:31.27 | tarzeau | stoned: ah it was still loading. links2 renders it much nicer imho |
| 19:31.31 | stoned | Triona: its a learning exp., |
| 19:31.40 | stoned | let me chck links2 |
| 19:32.18 | dazjorz | karsten: Because it's fun, but they don't earn any money with it |
| 19:32.19 | tarzeau | stoned: try with -g |
| 19:32.29 | stoned | yeh always |
| 19:32.37 | stoned | but hmm, this browser has no css support does it |
| 19:32.38 | karsten | dazjorz: What if that was a rhetorical question? |
| 19:32.44 | tarzeau | stoned: of course not |
| 19:32.52 | tarzeau | stoned: i hate css hidden items of menus |
| 19:32.53 | pickcoder | stoned: if you're using layers, have fun.. <g> |
| 19:32.56 | dazjorz | karsten: I've answered it, so it's not rhetorical anymore |
| 19:33.03 | tarzeau | stoned: and them popping up, going away makes me so nervous and angry |
| 19:33.14 | stoned | lol |
| 19:33.20 | tarzeau | stoned: it's like the ugly colors, black backgrounds, frames in 1995 |
| 19:33.29 | tarzeau | stoned: or the webpages. here that's me, that's my dog. my house... |
| 19:33.36 | stoned | I'll have a plain text format stylesheet |
| 19:33.36 | pickcoder | black with neon green text |
| 19:33.44 | stoned | tarzeau: just for you baby |
| 19:33.47 | stoned | just for you |
| 19:33.48 | pickcoder | ~flashing neon green |
| 19:34.01 | geo-rge | pickcoder: alien glow? |
| 19:34.17 | stoned | pickcoder: layers? |
| 19:34.49 | pickcoder | stoned: you're using layers to write over content, right? |
| 19:34.53 | stoned | alien glow filter is nice |
| 19:34.57 | pickcoder | CSS menu, etc |
| 19:35.05 | stoned | I might make a transparent image with that and put it on the font ofmy header background |
| 19:35.08 | stoned | might look cool |
| 19:35.16 | stoned | not a filter/script |
| 19:35.18 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I am trying to compile ardour and it needs gthread-2.0 the people in #ardour say it nomally comes with glib I have instaled libglib2.0-dev and its still not there. I have also searched the pkgs on the debian site and still not found any gthread. Anyone know where I can get gthread? |
| 19:35.36 | stoned | pickcoder: layers, no. if you mean z-index, then yes |
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| 19:35.55 | stoned | pickcoder: write over content? Im not sure what you're asking |
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| 19:36.00 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 19:36.01 | tarzeau | mentor: does the wiki.d.o page have something like webalizer? |
| 19:36.11 | mentor | I have no idea. |
| 19:36.28 | Wanderer | I'm trying to install vmware on an amd64 machine, but it seems vmware is 32 bit only. I've heard there is a package for the lib backward compatability. |
| 19:36.33 | Wanderer | anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:36.42 | pickcoder | Wanderer: ia32-libs |
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| 19:37.16 | itchi | heh, kqemu is free now! woooaaa |
| 19:37.24 | stoned | pickcoder: I do mind. Now talk! |
| 19:37.27 | Wanderer | good start |
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| 19:37.45 | geo-rge | I have an idea! |
| 19:38.03 | stoned | you know people in some movie got smack in the face for having ideas |
| 19:38.18 | stoned | I think it was Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy |
| 19:38.30 | valdyn | Gokee2: what's wrong with the ardour debian package? |
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| 19:38.43 | geo-rge | I think people who watched that were the ones that got smacked :) |
| 19:38.44 | sohmestra | Wanderer: or an ia-32 chroot |
| 19:38.50 | stoned | geo-rge: lol |
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| 19:38.56 | Gokee2 | valdyn, its old, ardour .99 instead of ardour 2 |
| 19:38.59 | itchi | wtf, qemu and kqemu is of the same author, weird that he had not set kqmemu free :-s |
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| 19:39.08 | stoned | pickcoder: hello there |
| 19:39.09 | pickcoder | stoned: I dunno how well many of the browsers support the z indexing |
| 19:39.21 | Wanderer | hmm, that fixed a number of the but some missing "libglib-2" ? |
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| 19:39.32 | stoned | pickcoder: seems to work in khtml, gecko, mshtml, opera |
| 19:39.44 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Why did the glib pkg not have gthread? |
| 19:39.47 | valdyn | Gokee2: the gthread stuff is indeed part of libglib, i think ardours build system might be looking at the wrong place |
| 19:39.48 | stoned | all mainstream rendering engies are covered |
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| 19:39.57 | stoned | pickcoder: however, mshtml renders it all screwed up anyway |
| 19:40.09 | stoned | I'm not even gonna worry bout supporting IE users |
| 19:40.24 | tarzeau | is #debian officially supported by the debian project? only the one on oftc? |
| 19:40.25 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Ah where is gthread located? |
| 19:40.41 | stoned | I think its the unofficial irc support channel |
| 19:40.44 | stoned | I read somewhere once up on a time |
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| 19:40.46 | streuner_ | tarzeau: we are all debian people... |
| 19:40.46 | valdyn | Gokee2: there's no file with that name, only files containing that name |
| 19:40.47 | geo-rge | well where does the cname go |
| 19:40.50 | stoned | !#debian |
| 19:40.50 | dpkg | hmm... #debian is home sweet home! :) |
| 19:40.54 | valdyn | Gokee2: what exactly is your error? |
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| 19:40.57 | tarzeau | streuner_, stoned http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DebianAndPoundDebian |
| 19:41.00 | streuner_ | tarzeau: #debian on FN is supported |
| 19:41.20 | jpin | Is there a #c channel? (programming language?) |
| 19:41.22 | valdyn | Gokee2: its probable that ardour is still build on gtk 1.x, that would be libglib1.2-dev |
| 19:41.24 | Gokee2 | valdyn, "Checking for gthread-2.0... no gthread-2.0 >= 2.10.1 not found. You do not have the necessary dependencies required to build ardour Please consult http://ardour.org/building for more information" |
| 19:41.31 | geo-rge | jpin: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 19:41.35 | geo-rge | could be :) |
| 19:41.37 | valdyn | Gokee2: on which debian release? |
| 19:41.37 | tarzeau | streuner_: ben collins said it iwsn't, but that's two years ago |
| 19:41.40 | stoned | tarzeau: thats the one. thats where I read |
| 19:41.44 | Gokee2 | valdyn, testing |
| 19:41.45 | stoned | unofficial! ding ding |
| 19:41.48 | tarzeau | stoned: afaik, only the one on oftc is |
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| 19:41.59 | tarzeau | stoned: but then i'll just drop these two lines |
| 19:42.02 | PaSurf | I am trying to connect to my mysql machine via mysql-admin. In the my.cnf there is a line for bind-address, which is set to 127.0.0.1. In the past I have commented out the skip-networking and had no issues, now I comment out the bind-address and still cannot connect. I added my local address (remote machine) to the bind-address and still cannot connect... |
| 19:42.05 | valdyn | !info libglib2.0-dev testing |
| 19:42.06 | streuner_ | tarzeau: every debian channel which calling #debian is a _DEBIAN_ channel, no matter on which server it is... |
| 19:42.09 | jpin | geo-rge: what do you mean? |
| 19:42.12 | dpkg | libglib2.0-dev: (Development files for the GLib library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.12.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 527 kB, Installed size: 2048 kB |
| 19:42.16 | tarzeau | streuner_: that's not the point |
| 19:42.20 | jpin | geo-rge: there is one but it's invite only |
| 19:42.26 | tarzeau | streuner_: the point is whether the debian project supports it or not |
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| 19:42.30 | streuner_ | tarzeau: well, that's fact. |
| 19:42.37 | redbox | PaSurf: what happens when you try to connect? |
| 19:42.38 | geo-rge | jpin: oh... try ##c on freenode maybe |
| 19:42.38 | streuner_ | tarzeau: sure |
| 19:42.40 | stoned | well officially it is not supported |
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| 19:42.53 | jpin | geo-rge: ok, thanks |
| 19:42.56 | stew | the debian project does not support #debian |
| 19:42.59 | geo-rge | if this one is invite-only, either they're a private group or there's some problem |
| 19:43.04 | valdyn | Gokee2: look at the configure script or ask someone to do that for you, 'gthread' is defenitely there |
| 19:43.09 | stew | or it supports #debian on both networks equally |
| 19:43.13 | streuner_ | tarzeau: look at the OPs list, who has access, those guys are DD's... |
| 19:43.14 | geo-rge | btw what do you need to know |
| 19:43.21 | stew | streuner_: some are |
| 19:43.21 | PaSurf | redbox: I get host 192.168.x.x is not allowed to connect (MySQL error 1130) |
| 19:43.25 | tarzeau | streuner_: how does that answer my question? |
| 19:43.29 | stoned | stew: hey whats up |
| 19:43.29 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Where should I have it look for gthread? |
| 19:43.31 | streuner_ | stew: you are NOT :-P |
| 19:43.47 | streuner_ | stew: anyway, those guys are DD's |
| 19:43.48 | stew | stoned: my weight. i need to exercise more |
| 19:43.53 | tarzeau | streuner_: on the other hand, it doesn't really matter much (not at all to me) |
| 19:44.00 | stoned | stew: time for a daily 1 hour bike ride |
| 19:44.04 | tarzeau | streuner_: what's your size/weight? |
| 19:44.11 | stoned | start peddlin buddy |
| 19:44.15 | redbox | PaSurf: did you restart mysql after editing the my.cnf ? |
| 19:44.18 | valdyn | Gokee2: again: gthread is not a file, i even tell what this script is looking for, so i cant know where that is |
| 19:44.19 | tarzeau | stew: i meant you |
| 19:44.23 | stew | stoned: i was until it got too cold 2 weeks ago |
| 19:44.24 | valdyn | Gokee2: again: gthread is not a file, i cant even tell what this script is looking for, so i cant know where that is |
| 19:44.41 | stoned | ahh that, I have an idea stew, get a bowflex! |
| 19:44.41 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Ok |
| 19:44.46 | valdyn | Gokee2: gthread consists of several files... |
| 19:44.57 | stew | tarzeau: 6' 200lbs |
| 19:44.59 | nyty | cmon, we must spam technical support of ATI for shitting drivers for Linux! |
| 19:45.01 | stoned | get built and then I'll see you on the bowflex commercian 2:00 in the morning |
| 19:45.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:45.05 | tarzeau | stew: and in cm/m kg? |
| 19:45.10 | PaSurf | redbox: yes. |
| 19:45.16 | stew | tarzeau: NaN |
| 19:45.17 | stoned | damn |
| 19:45.20 | stoned | stew is a big man |
| 19:45.29 | geo-rge | cm/m == 100? |
| 19:45.31 | valdyn | Gokee2: defenitely a stupid configure script when it depends on gtk2.0 and still checks for glib stuff |
| 19:45.32 | tarzeau | stew: i'm 72kg 172cm |
| 19:45.34 | stoned | I'm 5'11, 140lbs |
| 19:45.42 | tarzeau | geo-rge: yes |
| 19:45.44 | pickcoder | 200lbs isn't huge! |
| 19:45.44 | Gokee2 | valdyn, ardour used scons to compile |
| 19:45.59 | geo-rge | 100 kgz? |
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| 19:46.02 | stoned | I don't even know what 200 lbs feels like |
| 19:46.04 | PaSurf | redbox: seems this bind-address took the place of skip-networking and looking around it seemed as easy as just commenting out the line... |
| 19:46.14 | stoned | I've never been able to go past 150 |
| 19:46.22 | pickcoder | I'm around 196 and 5' 11" |
| 19:46.23 | geo-rge | lift 2 pounds 100 times |
| 19:46.31 | redbox | PaSurf: do you have "localhost" in /etc/hosts ? |
| 19:46.34 | pickcoder | I'm not a large person by any means |
| 19:46.45 | stoned | to me anyone bigger than me is a big man |
| 19:46.46 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:47.01 | stew | !72 * 2.54 |
| 19:47.01 | dpkg | 182.88 |
| 19:47.07 | stew | !200 / 2.2 |
| 19:47.07 | dpkg | 90.909090909091 |
| 19:47.08 | valdyn | Gokee2: 'automated dependency generation', that explains that silliness |
| 19:47.15 | PaSurf | redbox: yes 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 19:47.22 | stoned | I think I should weigh more for my height |
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| 19:47.27 | stew | tarzeau: 90kg, 182cm |
| 19:47.31 | valdyn | Gokee2: jesus, is arour a python program? |
| 19:47.44 | redbox | PaSurf: its most likely that the mysql user you are trying to connect with does not have the ability to connect to the server from "any" host |
| 19:47.45 | geo-rge | ardour? |
| 19:47.51 | geo-rge | arour? |
| 19:47.52 | PaSurf | redbox: should I put the remote machine into hosts? |
| 19:47.56 | stoned | arour? |
| 19:47.57 | Gokee2 | valdyn, Eh.. NOt sure |
| 19:47.59 | Gokee2 | Not* |
| 19:48.04 | tarzeau | stoned, streuner_ i wonder what i should do w/ http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable probably just move it, and someone else can do whatever he wants at wiki.d.o |
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| 19:48.24 | geo-rge | and ardour isn't, I built it once |
| 19:48.24 | stoned | leave it! |
| 19:48.26 | valdyn | Gokee2: try installing python-gtk2 |
| 19:48.37 | redbox | PaSurf: try to add a new mysql user with * in the host part. ie. "GRANT ALL on * TO 'user' etc |
| 19:48.41 | valdyn | Gokee2: or even python-gtk2-dev ( though that's probably not needed ) |
| 19:48.42 | stoned | tarzeau: one day I'll be telling my grandchildre that bedtime story |
| 19:48.56 | tarzeau | stoned: heh, and your own children? |
| 19:48.57 | guitarhero2006 | when i enter 'locale' i see POSIX for every variable. is that normal? |
| 19:49.00 | Gokee2 | valdyn, "python-gtk2 is already the newest version." |
| 19:49.04 | stoned | tarzeau: oh yeh those come first |
| 19:49.11 | PaSurf | redbox: will do... thanks for your help... ! |
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| 19:49.21 | tarzeau | stoned: you're working hard on them? |
| 19:49.28 | stoned | tarzeau: but I wanna be a cool hip pot smoking headbangin metalhead 70 year old gramps |
| 19:49.37 | redbox | PaSurf: np |
| 19:49.45 | stoned | I wanna be the coolest grampa ever! |
| 19:49.45 | tarzeau | stoned: ouf :( |
| 19:49.50 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: neither of them are "official channels", whatever that means. |
| 19:50.06 | dazjorz | tarzeau: If I have a partition of 40 GB that according to print in parted starts at 32.3kB, would this command do the job: resize 1 32.3kB 30.0GB |
| 19:50.07 | PaSurf | redbox: will this create security issues for me in the future? |
| 19:50.12 | dazjorz | tarzeau: or do I have to insert bytes? |
| 19:50.13 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: i've just left away that part |
| 19:50.20 | stoned | tarzeau: as much as a man can do. Debian takes up much of my time, not really down the kids at all |
| 19:50.35 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: maybe it should be worded differently.. like "debian developers frequent the channel, but they aren't officially supported" |
| 19:50.36 | concept10 | Gokee2, ardour uses Scons for build, right? |
| 19:50.38 | stoned | I mean, I find them annoying, and disturbing and most of them are ugly and they smell |
| 19:50.41 | tarzeau | stoned: work time or free time? by what exactly? |
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| 19:50.48 | Gokee2 | concept10, Yes |
| 19:50.50 | stoned | tarzeau: all my time |
| 19:50.52 | redbox | PaSurf: it will allow that user to connect from any host. You could of course replace the * with the specific IP of the machine your connecting from |
| 19:51.02 | tarzeau | stoned: can i know your age? |
| 19:51.05 | stoned | tarzeau: I don't work a lot my folks are rich |
| 19:51.05 | beau | I need help getting my display set to 1024x768\ |
| 19:51.16 | PaSurf | redbox: good point... thanx! |
| 19:51.16 | stoned | tarzeau: its shameful, but Im still in college |
| 19:51.31 | redbox | PaSurf: by the way, the GRANT line I typed above is not the complete line for adding a user, just incase you didn't know |
| 19:51.36 | stoned | tarzeau: 26 |
| 19:51.47 | stoned | well about to be 26 in march 12 |
| 19:51.59 | PaSurf | redbox: gonna find out how to do that now... still learnin... :) |
| 19:52.07 | redbox | PaSurf: :) |
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| 19:53.03 | stoned | tarzeau: I mean I don't even have a college degree yet, but I can go and get a .NET developers job right away |
| 19:53.06 | stoned | pretty much anywhere |
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| 19:53.40 | tarzeau | stoned: i doubt anyone wants that for some ideological reason. the only one i can think of would be money |
| 19:53.53 | stoned | tarzeau: have not found a job that pays enough for me to do that |
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| 19:54.24 | PaSurf | redbox: that worked! Thanks! |
| 19:54.34 | beau | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.41 | stoned | tarzeau: what I really want to do, is do debian education classes for local LUG peoples in my free time, when I'm old |
| 19:54.48 | stoned | tarzeau: and to teach music for a living |
| 19:54.55 | stoned | tarzeau: that is what I'd really like to do |
| 19:54.56 | tarzeau | stoned: *hint* you are old |
| 19:55.03 | tarzeau | stoned: what instruments do you play? |
| 19:55.41 | tarzeau | stoned: can i comment your "to be a real cool grandpa" comment? i think trying to be cool at that age, would only be embarassing for your kids .. |
| 19:55.46 | stoned | tarzeau: guitar is my main one. a crappy sample is at http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/Mortal.mp3 I also play sitar/tabla/shahnaye/bass/violin/piano/drums |
| 19:55.48 | abrotman | stew: really .. can't imagine why he'd be frustrated ... |
| 19:55.58 | stoned | tarzeau: i know I'm just kidding |
| 19:56.11 | stoned | tarzeau: we might get yelled at for being OT |
| 19:56.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:56.28 | stew | abrotman: say what? |
| 19:56.50 | abrotman | stew: the item i asked you about earlier ... |
| 19:57.02 | abrotman | !drxx beau |
| 19:57.02 | dpkg | beau: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:57.10 | abrotman | beau: do you konw which driver you're using for X ? |
| 19:59.01 | tarzeau | stoned: aww that Mortal.mp3 is pretty heavy. not really what i like. can you make only guitar jingles? |
| 19:59.14 | stoned | tarzeau: yeah I can |
| 19:59.28 | stoned | tarzeau: I recently got really really stoned and did rm -rd in my /public_html |
| 19:59.30 | tarzeau | stoned: i'd need some for the gnustep project :) can you make some, ta-da-da-daaaa jingles? |
| 19:59.33 | stoned | tarzeau: :( |
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| 19:59.45 | stoned | hey I can make GPL'd music! |
| 19:59.46 | stoned | yes |
| 19:59.54 | tarzeau | stoned: stoned? grass? |
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| 20:00.00 | stoned | oh yeh man |
| 20:00.03 | stoned | o yea |
| 20:00.23 | beau | no |
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| 20:00.38 | abrotman | beau: can you provide your X log for us ? |
| 20:00.40 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:00.41 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:00.44 | stew | stoned: the build system is going to be a pain to distribute |
| 20:00.52 | stoned | stew: lol |
| 20:01.02 | stoned | stew: no, in opensource lossy codec |
| 20:01.08 | stoned | format* |
| 20:01.20 | stew | stoned: if its gpl, you have to provide me with the source + build scripts |
| 20:01.44 | tarzeau | i keep forgetting the key for backwards searching in less, like / for forward one (i know about n/N) |
| 20:01.49 | stoned | stew: you can't release music under the liscence |
| 20:01.50 | stoned | lol |
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| 20:02.15 | stoned | stew: er.. append > |
| 20:02.18 | stoned | ? |
| 20:02.19 | stew | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:02.33 | rahul | tarzeau: ? |
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| 20:02.37 | tarzeau | stew: in less somelargefile you can press / and search forward |
| 20:02.40 | stoned | stew: how do I provide the source for music? |
| 20:02.48 | rahul | tarzeau: yes. ? |
| 20:02.49 | tarzeau | there's a key that you can use to search backwards also. which? |
| 20:02.52 | rahul | tarzeau: ? |
| 20:03.03 | stoned | I guess I would be the source. but you can't have or build me |
| 20:03.04 | stew | tarzeau: '?' |
| 20:03.07 | dkr | who's on first? |
| 20:03.07 | rahul | heh |
| 20:03.12 | tarzeau | awww :) |
| 20:03.12 | rahul | !penixstrike tarzeau |
| 20:03.12 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking tarzeau to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:03.23 | stoned | disgusting |
| 20:03.27 | stew | tarzeau: hit the button with the question mark on it |
| 20:03.29 | amphi | ha |
| 20:03.30 | tarzeau | that fealt like, what does "dunno" mean? |
| 20:03.41 | tarzeau | stew: yes i got it |
| 20:03.44 | stew | :) |
| 20:03.47 | stoned | tarzeau: what do you want |
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| 20:03.56 | stoned | tarzeau: tell me what you want |
| 20:04.21 | stoned | you want like clean acoustic sound with just chords strummed? |
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| 20:04.22 | tarzeau | stoned: a button that can remove companies from earth |
| 20:04.31 | tarzeau | stoned: yeah |
| 20:04.33 | stoned | tarzeau: well good luck with that, so about the music |
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| 20:04.50 | stoned | tarzeau: how long do they have to be, what will they be used for? |
| 20:04.53 | tarzeau | ponyofdeath: your nick reminds me of http://linuks.mine.nu/pony.jpg |
| 20:05.10 | tarzeau | stoned: gnustep sound effects. they can be between 0.5 to 6 seconds |
| 20:05.24 | stew | stoned: related to your questions, realize that the fsf doesn't consider music to be software (similar to it stance on documentation) |
| 20:05.48 | tarzeau | stoned: they shall be used to support the user on the interaction with the computer |
| 20:05.52 | stoned | what i just want to release some of my stuff as free for anyone to use |
| 20:06.00 | stoned | as long as they don't profit from it |
| 20:06.08 | stoned | what would be the proper liscence for this |
| 20:06.08 | tarzeau | stoned: wait wait, that'd be not free anymore |
| 20:06.10 | stoned | if there is one |
| 20:06.15 | tarzeau | stoned: scratch that last sentence about profit |
| 20:06.18 | stoned | oh |
| 20:06.19 | stoned | ok |
| 20:06.20 | caitriona | stoned, look closely at creative commons licenses |
| 20:06.30 | stoned | ok noted |
| 20:06.37 | tarzeau | stoned: public domain (no license, discard are claims on it), or artistic license |
| 20:06.48 | stoned | yeh, public domain |
| 20:06.51 | stoned | just like classical music |
| 20:06.51 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm using sid and I did updated debian-archive-keyring. I got the message : "gpg: key ADB11277: public key "Etch Stable Release Key <debian-release@lists.debian.org>" imported". So etch stable is really soon now (TM) ? :) |
| 20:06.52 | stoned | that works |
| 20:06.53 | itchi | stoned: May Debian not be used to make profit?? :-p |
| 20:06.58 | tarzeau | caitriona: i dislike those, because they have so many different ones of them |
| 20:07.04 | tarzeau | caitriona: and some are quite not free |
| 20:07.05 | caitriona | some of the creative commons licenses are considered nonfree though. |
| 20:07.10 | stoned | well |
| 20:07.12 | caitriona | bah, too slow |
| 20:07.13 | tarzeau | itchi: no, it may |
| 20:07.39 | caitriona | the "nocommercial" and "noderivs" varients are clearly nonfree. |
| 20:08.43 | stoned | tarzeau: these are like minimize/maximinize/resotre etc. etc.? |
| 20:08.43 | itchi | tarzeau: I dunno if your 'dunno' was a question :-) |
| 20:08.43 | tarzeau | stoned: no, more like bad user input. and stuff like that |
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| 20:08.54 | tarzeau | itchi: no it wasn't. it was just some fun thing on bash.org i remembered about my less / ? question |
| 20:08.54 | stoned | tarzeau: I can't immagine the sound you're looking for |
| 20:08.55 | stoned | tarzeau: example perhaps? |
| 20:08.55 | itchi | tarzeau: hehe :-p |
| 20:09.02 | tarzeau | stoned: can you make some c-dur jingle, say with three accords |
| 20:09.10 | stoned | c-dur? |
| 20:09.12 | caitriona | the CC licenses are better suited to more artistic and creative works |
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| 20:09.20 | stoned | yeh |
| 20:09.25 | tarzeau | stoned: something harmonic, whatever. try some jingles, let me hear them, then i'll tell you good, middle, bad |
| 20:09.26 | stoned | i'll record it now |
| 20:09.29 | stoned | brb |
| 20:09.56 | caitriona | although, keep in mind of you are submitting it to be part of something else, you should license consistantly, or dual license |
| 20:10.04 | caitriona | don't complicate licensing. |
| 20:10.25 | tarzeau | caitriona: do you know WTFPL ? |
| 20:10.38 | caitriona | lol, yeah |
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| 20:13.12 | itchi | haha, it's been a French joke :-p |
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| 20:14.10 | ma3x | concept10: fine, a little bit exhausted after dinner |
| 20:14.17 | ma3x | concept10: how do you do? |
| 20:15.07 | riot | how can i play network-mounted dvds? |
| 20:16.29 | valdyn | riot: player the VTS_* files |
| 20:16.34 | valdyn | riot: play the VTS_* files |
| 20:16.35 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/tarzeau.mp3 |
| 20:16.40 | stoned | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 20:16.56 | stoned | tarzeau: thats a buncha different random chords in a simple rythem |
| 20:17.02 | stoned | I dunno what you want |
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| 20:18.00 | Jtag_me | stoned thats bad music LOL |
| 20:18.10 | ma3x | stoned: it sucks, I can only hear on the left side of the speakers |
| 20:18.11 | stoned | Jtag_me: i know |
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| 20:18.22 | stoned | ma3x: man I dunno how to save in audacity properly |
| 20:18.22 | ma3x | stoned: you play that? |
| 20:18.29 | ma3x | stoned: export |
| 20:18.32 | tarzeau | Jtag_me, ma3x it's not for you people anyways |
| 20:18.41 | Jtag_me | lol |
| 20:18.44 | tarzeau | stoned: don't worry, i can fix the joint stereo stuff |
| 20:18.47 | stoned | hey its good it sucks, whatever |
| 20:18.48 | ma3x | tarzeau: but what is it? get us into it |
| 20:19.05 | tarzeau | ma3x: go play nethack. it's sound effects for gnustep |
| 20:19.25 | ma3x | tarzeau: that's it? sound effects for gnustep? |
| 20:19.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: yeah, that's all |
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| 20:19.49 | ma3x | and stoned plays the guitar? |
| 20:20.01 | tarzeau | ma3x: yeah, and he's being stoned too |
| 20:20.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: if you play in opencubicplayer (apt-get install) you can press f5 to middle the sound |
| 20:20.37 | ma3x | stoned: you can play fast |
| 20:21.17 | tarzeau | stoned: that's great, if you can make a few more of those, shorter in time? maybe just paris and triples of accords? |
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| 20:21.38 | ma3x | pairs you mean? |
| 20:21.43 | tarzeau | stoned: i've got a small guitar too, abrotman wants it! |
| 20:21.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes pairs |
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| 20:22.06 | concept10 | how to save in audacity properly? apt-get remove --purge audacity |
| 20:22.19 | ma3x | tarzeau: and what did you mean by that pairs and triples of chords? |
| 20:22.30 | tarzeau | concept10: via the save menu? your command just removes it, including config files |
| 20:22.52 | tarzeau | ma3x: record just triplets and pairs of them. not so many seconds as in the tarzeau.mp3 example |
| 20:22.52 | concept10 | tarzeau, thats the idea :) |
| 20:23.15 | stoned | back |
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| 20:23.29 | ma3x | concept10: heh :p |
| 20:23.36 | stoned | bah |
| 20:23.37 | ma3x | concept10: what do you use for audio editing? |
| 20:23.38 | stoned | here |
| 20:23.40 | stoned | hang on |
| 20:23.59 | concept10 | ma3x, wavelab (win) |
| 20:24.14 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/ma3x_sucks.mp3 |
| 20:24.14 | stoned | :) |
| 20:24.38 | ma3x | link's wrong |
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| 20:25.05 | Ahil_ | how to enable bash completion using pgup and pgdown? |
| 20:25.09 | concept10 | ma3x, but on Linux, Sweep is better than Audacity |
| 20:25.13 | stoned | damn permissions |
| 20:25.17 | stoned | try now |
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| 20:25.52 | concept10 | stoned, have you not ever tried the app Sweep? |
| 20:25.55 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one find out what was inode size with which the file system was created ? |
| 20:26.01 | ma3x | stoned: what's that electric guitar? |
| 20:26.01 | stoned | concept10: nope |
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| 20:26.03 | ma3x | bass? |
| 20:26.09 | stoned | horrible tone |
| 20:26.18 | stoned | I haven't fixed my setting again |
| 20:26.22 | concept10 | stoned, you are missing out |
| 20:26.24 | ma3x | stoned: did you just play and record it? |
| 20:26.27 | thelostbutler | or can some one suggest a command that gives detailed information on a filesystem |
| 20:26.30 | stoned | ma3x: yes |
| 20:26.37 | stoned | thelostbutler: what kind of information |
| 20:26.42 | ma3x | stoned: is it a bass guitar? |
| 20:26.48 | stoned | ma3x: no |
| 20:26.58 | ma3x | would a bass sound much more deeper? |
| 20:26.59 | Ahil_ | thelostbutler, tune2fs -l |
| 20:27.05 | tonyyarusso | Okay, I've gotten through most of the hurdles of the build, but now it's failing with make complaining that "nsStackFrameUnix.cpp:96: error: 'JB_BP' was not declared in this scope" |
| 20:27.10 | tarzeau | or dumpe2fs |
| 20:27.12 | ma3x | stoned: I like the thema actually! not bad:p |
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| 20:27.48 | stoned | ma3x: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/Mortal.mp3 <-- I'm working on the lead parts on this. this is just a rough draft kinda |
| 20:28.00 | thelostbutler | Ahil: thanks ! :) |
| 20:28.11 | stoned | tarzeau: were you ok with those chords thingies. I can fix the amp to good settings and record am uch cleaner sound, but is that the stuff you want |
| 20:28.14 | ma3x | stoned: you in a group? what kind of music is it? rock? |
| 20:28.21 | stoned | ma3x: nope |
| 20:28.29 | stoned | ma3x: I don't know what kind |
| 20:28.34 | stoned | its just what I play |
| 20:28.39 | tarzeau | stoned: yes it's great. but i just need them much shorter. like only 2 - 5 chords per file |
| 20:28.53 | ma3x | stoned: but all instruments are live? no computer stuff? |
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| 20:29.04 | stoned | ma3x: line-in on soundcard, from amp |
| 20:29.13 | stoned | no computer stuff |
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| 20:29.26 | stoned | except pedal tones and drums |
| 20:29.32 | stoned | hydrogen drums |
| 20:29.35 | ma3x | stoned: so a group of people played it, and you just add yourself in |
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| 20:29.40 | thelostbutler | hello folks, is it possible to change inode size after a filesystem has been created ? |
| 20:30.00 | tarzeau | thelostbutler: yes by creating the filesystem again |
| 20:30.04 | ma3x | stoned: not bad! I like it. do some more |
| 20:30.20 | thelostbutler | tarzeau: :) without recreating the filesystem |
| 20:30.23 | tarzeau | ma3x: do you also like piano play? |
| 20:30.37 | tarzeau | thelostbutler: not that i know of |
| 20:30.39 | ma3x | tarzeau: sure, you play it? |
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| 20:30.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: not me, but i'm curious on your comments on this |
| 20:31.04 | tarzeau | ma3x, stoned: http://oquanda.googlepages.com/ot.mp3 |
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| 20:31.24 | PupenoR | How do I grep for "ssh" *or* "dns" ? |
| 20:31.25 | h3sp4wn | thelostbutler: If I remember correctly XFS can |
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| 20:31.34 | smacnay | What is the proper way to add modules to the /etc/modules file? Edit by hand? |
| 20:31.42 | concept10 | tarzeau, you play piano?? |
| 20:31.49 | tarzeau | concept10: nah |
| 20:31.55 | chops | Pupeno: egrep 'ssh|dns' |
| 20:31.58 | smacnay | It is the /etc/modules file that gets modified if one wishes to add modules to be loaded at start? |
| 20:32.12 | tarzeau | ma3x, stoned or http://oquanda.googlepages.com/spurenimeis.mp3 |
| 20:32.27 | ma3x | tarzeau: too slow bandwidth, got %15 so far |
| 20:32.29 | chops | smacnay: Yes, and yes, edit by hand |
| 20:32.40 | stoned | tarzeau: sounds like a lot of dissonant harmony |
| 20:32.43 | stoned | tarzeau: what is this? |
| 20:33.24 | tarzeau | stoned: i've wanted to find out more about it from you |
| 20:33.24 | concept10 | yeah what is that |
| 20:33.24 | ma3x | tarzeau: hold on , let me get it |
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| 20:33.40 | stoned | its post classical era |
| 20:33.48 | smacnay | ah, maybe I am looking for modprobe.d? |
| 20:33.52 | concept10 | stoned, you can record with sweep, its like audacity, you should try it |
| 20:33.57 | valdyn | smacnay: no, edit /etc/modules by hand |
| 20:33.59 | stoned | concept10: ok will do |
| 20:34.12 | tarzeau | concept10: thanks, sweep looks nice |
| 20:34.12 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.26 | stoned | streuner: eh |
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| 20:34.42 | tarzeau | streuner: can you cite that on www.debian.org ? |
| 20:34.50 | smacnay | ok, thanks |
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| 20:34.56 | streuner | tarzeau: pardon, 'cite'? |
| 20:35.03 | tarzeau | streuner: zitieren |
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| 20:35.41 | streuner | tarzeau: there is NO need to do so, its just fact. |
| 20:35.45 | tarzeau | stoned: the 2nd one isn't dissonant, is it? |
| 20:35.53 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't believe you |
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| 20:36.54 | streuner | tarzeau: what do _we_ support here? who are the OPs here (DDs)... |
| 20:37.09 | tarzeau | streuner: some dds are not the debian project |
| 20:37.26 | tarzeau | streuner: we are not the debian project. #debian is mainly debians' users |
| 20:37.29 | streuner | tarzeau: these guys support debian as well... |
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| 20:37.35 | tarzeau | streuner: yes they do |
| 20:37.52 | ma3x | tarzeau: haha, are you playing ot.mp3? |
| 20:38.09 | tarzeau | ma3x: nah. is it that bad? |
| 20:38.18 | ma3x | tarzeau: tell me, who is playing? |
| 20:38.20 | streuner | tarzeau: bullshit, we call us #debian and we support debian and we are a support channel... |
| 20:38.23 | ma3x | and is it improvised? |
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| 20:38.37 | tarzeau | streuner: you shouldn't talk for others, but only for yourself |
| 20:38.38 | streuner | tarzeau: other things aren't important |
| 20:38.47 | tarzeau | ma3x: both are improvised yes. a special friend |
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| 20:39.05 | streuner | tarzeau: well, you could talk for others, but fact is we support debian :-) |
| 20:39.19 | stoned | tarzeau: they are good. Nothing too serious or moving |
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| 20:39.24 | ma3x | tarzeau: girl or man? |
| 20:39.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: what do you think? |
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| 20:40.02 | streuner | tarzeau: and (if you don't belive it) _we_ are debian users and supporters and debian guys ;-) |
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| 20:40.36 | ma3x | tarzeau: well, it sounds like a broken heart, and a new born heart, and a mystery, fog and sunshine |
| 20:40.38 | beau | I can't get my display to 1024x768 |
| 20:40.52 | tarzeau | streuner: if i'm frank, the main reason i'm here is not to support debian users |
| 20:41.08 | stoned | yeh me neither |
| 20:41.14 | ma3x | tarzeau: well I haven't heard that much of ladies improvising |
| 20:41.14 | stoned | I'm just here to goof off really |
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| 20:41.21 | stoned | =D |
| 20:41.22 | ma3x | tarzeau: so what is it? |
| 20:41.25 | streuner | tarzeau: otherwise these guys 'hanging' around somewhere else, doesn't it? |
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| 20:41.52 | tarzeau | stoned: at least you say what you think |
| 20:42.09 | streuner | tarzeau: nah |
| 20:42.13 | stoned | tarzeau: but also careful not to disrupt the flow of the channel |
| 20:42.15 | tarzeau | ma3x: a woman playing. thanks for your interpretation |
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| 20:42.30 | ma3x | tarzeau: well she has a good heart. keep her! |
| 20:42.32 | stoned | I have a habbit of going OT. I am ADHD |
| 20:42.34 | stoned | go figure. |
| 20:42.44 | streuner | !adhd |
| 20:42.44 | dpkg | well, adhd is Attention Deficit Hyperactivity LET'S RIDE BIKES |
| 20:42.48 | ma3x | tarzeau: does she cry often? |
| 20:42.50 | stoned | lol |
| 20:42.51 | streuner | haha |
| 20:42.53 | pickcoder | it's hard to not go OT if you're not need to help Debian users |
| 20:43.00 | stoned | lol |
| 20:43.00 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:43.02 | Solak | hmm, why do I get the question on installing certain packages without authentication? xorg for example. |
| 20:43.03 | stoned | thats awesome |
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| 20:43.04 | pickcoder | s/need/here |
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| 20:43.12 | stoned | pickcoder: I help too |
| 20:43.15 | pickcoder | my confusion is in a state of memory |
| 20:43.17 | stoned | pickcoder: I'm just kidding |
| 20:43.22 | Solak | (I installed from a stable cd and upgraded to testing) |
| 20:43.23 | dondelelcaro | Solak: because you don't have the key in your apt keyring that corresponds to that archive |
| 20:43.27 | beau | can someone help me fix my display settings to 1024x768? |
| 20:43.31 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've seen her so, yes. i hope not too much though. how come? |
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| 20:43.40 | streuner | !drxx beau |
| 20:43.40 | dpkg | beau: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:43.44 | Solak | dondelelcaro: hmm, but how do I fix that? |
| 20:43.48 | dondelelcaro | Solak: see /topic |
| 20:44.09 | beau | i tried that and it doesn't let me choose 1024x768 |
| 20:44.20 | tarzeau | ma3x: but you're very right about a few things you say. |
| 20:44.21 | ma3x | tarzeau: she has deep emotional feelings. it's hard to understand |
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| 20:44.40 | stoned | dondelelcaro: is an op, should also be DD, ask him if debian is supporting #debian |
| 20:44.41 | dondelelcaro | beau: it should... but if not, you can just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 20:44.54 | pickcoder | he said no earilier, stoned |
| 20:44.54 | beau | can you help me do that? |
| 20:44.58 | stoned | on the site I read officially not supported |
| 20:44.59 | ma3x | tarzeau: magical, wondering state, very touching |
| 20:45.05 | stoned | ahh musta missed it |
| 20:45.10 | tarzeau | ma3x: damn how blind am i |
| 20:45.16 | dondelelcaro | Debian's supporting it insofar as I'm here, but it's not "official" |
| 20:45.19 | ma3x | tarzeau: why |
| 20:45.20 | pickcoder | gah.. I'm typing 1000 today |
| 20:45.21 | dondelelcaro | (and other DDs too) |
| 20:45.23 | tarzeau | ma3x: why on holy earth can you say all this? |
| 20:45.33 | beau | dondelcaro: can you walk me through that? |
| 20:45.34 | tarzeau | ma3x: i've noticed it too, but not by the music |
| 20:45.46 | stoned | beau: use tab |
| 20:45.48 | stoned | hehe |
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| 20:46.00 | tarzeau | ma3x: and it took me a month or two until i found out |
| 20:46.03 | stoned | beau: tab nick completion |
| 20:46.14 | Preto | =) |
| 20:46.20 | ma3x | tarzeau: what happened? you still together? |
| 20:46.21 | dondelelcaro | beau: sensible-editor /etc/X11/xorg.conf; edit the screen section, and make sure the resolution you want is listed. |
| 20:46.39 | tarzeau | ma3x: ok it's getting way ot. try #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:46.57 | Solak | dondelelcaro: thanks! Weird that I didn't notice that message in the previous install I did... Maybe I just ignored the warning :-( |
| 20:47.40 | streuner | tarzeau: look at the logs between greycat and BenC |
| 20:47.48 | Solak | dondelelcaro: anyway, since I use the same apt source I guess it won't cause any problems. |
| 20:47.54 | streuner | tarzeau: you see there what happend... |
| 20:48.12 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't have them. do you? |
| 20:48.32 | stoned | huh |
| 20:48.36 | tarzeau | streuner: i've just never seen benc anymore on irc. i know where greycat hangs around though |
| 20:48.37 | streuner | tarzeau: greycat wasn't/isn't a DD, but he noticed what BenC told him, otherwise he could just kickban him... |
| 20:49.00 | tarzeau | streuner: how the fuck is being a DD or not any criteria? |
| 20:49.01 | streuner | tarzeau: THAT'S Debian! ;-) |
| 20:49.19 | streuner | tarzeau: that's what explain, _WE_ are debian |
| 20:49.20 | beau | dondelelcaro: there is no "xorg.conf" file in my X11 folder |
| 20:49.21 | tarzeau | streuner: what's debian? to be or not to be dd? |
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| 20:49.36 | streuner | tarzeau: to support and LOVE debian |
| 20:49.41 | tarzeau | streuner: really talk to me more clear, i don't get what you try to tell me |
| 20:49.50 | stoned | peanute butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time, o yea, o yea, o yea, o yea, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly! |
| 20:49.51 | tarzeau | streuner: do you think benc loves debian? |
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| 20:50.05 | streuner | tarzeau: as a DPL? sure. |
| 20:50.12 | streuner | sure |
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| 20:50.16 | tarzeau | streuner: i know greycat uses debian, and he helped very much people in here. and i'm sure he loves his wife, as well as his child |
| 20:50.56 | streuner | tarzeau: we _all_ like debian, but there are sometimes problems |
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| 20:51.25 | tarzeau | streuner: you're talking very diplomatic |
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| 20:51.56 | tarzeau | streuner: i've talked to greycat much more, and seen him talk. and there's nothing i remember of benc |
| 20:52.10 | famir | help !!! i have a log with 20 lines "Reply from x.x.x.x: bytes=32 time=45ms TTL=253" and i would like to grub only the ip (x.x.x.x) how can i do it ? |
| 20:52.19 | stoned | you know who told me to use debian |
| 20:52.20 | tarzeau | streuner: of course that doesn't mean one or another is better or not (probably benc did a lot of other debian related work) - i just didn't notice |
| 20:52.35 | pickcoder | famir: I hope you mean "grep".. grub is a boot manager |
| 20:52.36 | tarzeau | famir: using awk |
| 20:52.43 | famir | opps |
| 20:52.50 | famir | yes |
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| 20:52.57 | pickcoder | grep "phrase" <filename> |
| 20:52.58 | dazjorz | Hi |
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| 20:53.16 | famir | yes but the ip is not the same ! |
| 20:53.20 | dazjorz | How do I format a partition with the UFS2 (FreeBSD) filesystem? |
| 20:53.24 | pickcoder | but you only want the ip, so you'll have to do what tarzeau said |
| 20:53.26 | dazjorz | I don't have mkfs.ufs2 on my system |
| 20:53.41 | Guerin | famir: awk '/^Reply/ {print $3}' |
| 20:53.47 | tarzeau | dazjorz: it's in experimental |
| 20:53.51 | stoned | long time ago this guy i knew in college said he was with some cyberarmy.com zebular thing. he said hey, play morrowind, and also use debian, suse blows. I had sampled all distributions I could get, and after a lof of them, debian was the last one I used |
| 20:53.56 | stoned | it suck |
| 20:53.56 | stoned | er..stuck |
| 20:54.00 | Guerin | famir: you probaby weant to cut(1) the last character |
| 20:54.00 | famir | what the $ stands for ? |
| 20:54.12 | Guerin | famir: `field' |
| 20:54.14 | tarzeau | dazjorz: http://packages.debian.org/ufsutils |
| 20:54.19 | dazjorz | tarzeau: thanks :) |
| 20:54.21 | stoned | Guerin: whats up |
| 20:54.22 | tarzeau | dazjorz: or use gnu/kfreebsd |
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| 20:54.28 | Guerin | famir: Reply is $1, `from is $2, etc |
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| 20:54.38 | tarzeau | dazjorz: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:54.38 | Guerin | stoned: arr |
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| 20:55.05 | pickcoder | morrowind? |
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| 20:55.10 | stoned | Guerin: hey what do you think of my new debian site's style/design. http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
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| 20:55.13 | pickcoder | gah.. gothic |
| 20:55.16 | dazjorz | tarzeau: format a partition for freebsd's filesystem |
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| 20:56.21 | tarzeau | dazjorz: but why not do that in freebsd? |
| 20:56.32 | krazyk | I need some advice on a debian 3.1 system -- need to update tzdata to comply with the DST change for 2007... |
| 20:56.37 | stoned | why are we talking about what to do in freebsd in #debian |
| 20:56.42 | Guerin | stoned: not bad. Set borders in your CSS to about 10% - wide borders are nice |
| 20:56.50 | dondelelcaro | krazyk: if you're up to date with the security updates, you've already got it done. |
| 20:56.51 | chimeres | Hi, why the packages versions in debian are so...old compared to ubuntu for example, for example (SDL on U=1.2.1.0, SDL on D=1.2.4? :) |
| 20:56.52 | stoned | Guerin: oh hmm ok |
| 20:57.15 | Guerin | chimeres: on what branch of debian? |
| 20:57.25 | dazjorz | tarzeau, because I don't have freebsd installed |
| 20:57.36 | krazyk | if libc6 is updated, should that suffice? |
| 20:57.37 | dondelelcaro | !+info libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 20:57.38 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 20:57.44 | stoned | chimeres: you are probably on sarge |
| 20:57.45 | dpkg | libsdl1.2debian-alsa: (Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and ALSA options)), section libs, is extra. Version: 1.2.11-8 (sid), Packaged size: 203 kB, Installed size: 500 kB |
| 20:57.52 | tarzeau | dazjorz: i see |
| 20:57.53 | dondelelcaro | next question? |
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| 20:58.16 | jelly-home | chimeres: because ubuntu has a 6 month release schedule, and debian doesn't |
| 20:58.26 | dondelelcaro | krazyk: in sarge, it's the libc6 package, yes. |
| 20:58.32 | streuner | .oO |
| 20:58.39 | krazyk | would there be any danger in compiling a new timezone data file using zic and pointing /etc/localtime to it? |
| 20:58.44 | streuner | !shoot jelly-home |
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| 20:58.55 | dazjorz | hmm |
| 20:58.56 | dazjorz | mkfs.ufs: wtfs: 512 bytes at sector 19567169: Input/output error |
| 20:58.56 | dazjorz | ? |
| 20:59.00 | krazyk | because my libc6 package seems updated but zdump indicates that the settings are wrong |
| 20:59.04 | beau | dondelelcaro : I figured out it was xfconfigx86 but how do i get priveliges to edit the file? |
| 20:59.07 | stoned | Guerin: borders around which elements do you think? |
| 20:59.08 | chimeres | Okay, thx. |
| 20:59.13 | jelly-home | streuner: was there something incorrect? |
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| 20:59.22 | dondelelcaro | beau: you don't use xfconfigx86, ever. |
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| 20:59.36 | dondelelcaro | beau: use a text editor, or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
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| 20:59.41 | streuner | jelly-home: you surely miss the point to _support_ debian... |
| 20:59.48 | Guerin | stoned: the only thing which should ened it seems to be the body - but I dhaven't actually looked at the css |
| 20:59.48 | Firestarter- | SlackwareMaster: enough with the spam on join messages |
| 20:59.56 | jelly-home | streuner: The question wasn't about support. |
| 20:59.59 | dondelelcaro | krazyk: which version do you have installed? |
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| 21:00.12 | stoned | Guerin: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/index.css |
| 21:00.13 | beau | dondelelcaro: have patience I am a linux n00b |
| 21:00.20 | stoned | when/if you want |
| 21:00.26 | Guerin | stoned: i know how to find a css, i just can't be arsed |
| 21:00.34 | krazyk | libc6 is at version '2.3.2.ds1-22'. Is this the same as '2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5'? |
| 21:00.36 | stoned | Guerin: I was giving a direct link :) |
| 21:00.41 | streuner | jelly-home: the question is, HOW we support debian and not to provide info of our disadvantages... |
| 21:00.42 | dondelelcaro | krazyk: no. |
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| 21:00.46 | stoned | Guerin: I know you know |
| 21:00.47 | beau | when I tried to save the file after editting it it said i didnt have permision |
| 21:01.00 | dondelelcaro | krazyk: you need to add a security line to your sources.list and apt-get update, apt-get upgrade |
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| 21:01.35 | gulars | SlackwareMaster is a spambot |
| 21:02.00 | streuner | gulars: !ops <foo> is a spambot |
| 21:02.04 | jelly-home | streuner: I've chosen a more direct interpretation. :-P |
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| 21:02.32 | krazyk | security line? you mean like 'deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib'? |
| 21:02.39 | streuner | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:02.40 | dondelelcaro | krazyk: (you may also need to run tzconfig after doing that) |
| 21:02.45 | dondelelcaro | krazyk: yes. |
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| 21:03.06 | jelly-home | streuner: I see no reason to hide the facts from a prospective user? |
| 21:03.29 | krazyk | okay, thanks much. I hope this won't end up being a big problem because this server is way out of date. |
| 21:03.53 | krazyk | I suppose these updates will be fairly independent of other stuff |
| 21:03.55 | jelly-home | streuner: but to be honest it would be nicer if I had explained the difference a bit. |
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| 21:04.10 | krazyk | (inherited a neglected system) |
| 21:04.19 | streuner | jelly-home: no, thanks :-) |
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| 21:05.22 | beau | dondelelcaro you said edit that file since dpcfg would not let me choose 1024x768 |
| 21:06.01 | dondelelcaro | beau: yes. I said to edit it, not to run xf86config. |
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| 21:06.24 | beau | I tried to edit it it said I did not have permission |
| 21:06.50 | dondelelcaro | beau: then become root |
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| 21:13.16 | Assid | hi there |
| 21:13.27 | Assid | is there a way to increase the number of simultanous connections apt uses? |
| 21:13.30 | stoned | Guerin: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/ you mean border like this? |
| 21:13.44 | denver | when i dpkg --force-depends --purge exim4 should it remove all exim related things? |
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| 21:13.53 | streuner | Assid: there should be no more than 2 :-P |
| 21:14.16 | streuner | Assid: just use _ONE_ official source then :-P |
| 21:14.33 | Assid | streuner: well.. my connection is kinda awkward.. less speeds with less threads |
| 21:14.53 | Assid | so i have 2 different isps.. and hhave static routing.. so i want to be able to make full use of my bandwith |
| 21:15.23 | streuner | Assid: i got about 400kb/s - isn't that enough? |
| 21:15.25 | hark | denver: no |
| 21:15.34 | Assid | is anythign ever enough ?!?!? |
| 21:16.01 | streuner | Assid: well, you ever using unstable on dialup? :-P |
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| 21:16.23 | Assid | actually this particular one is an ubuntu box |
| 21:16.33 | Assid | updates are 200+mb |
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| 21:16.48 | Guerin | stoned: yeah, i guess so. I just meant whitespace around the edges, but that's fine |
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| 21:17.02 | Assid | wanna get like 4-5 thrreads |
| 21:17.16 | denver | hark, i am a bit new to debian package management and want to completely remove exim |
| 21:17.29 | Guerin | denver: what do you want to replace it with? |
| 21:17.31 | Assid | and apparently either no one knows there.. or no one responds there. |
| 21:17.34 | denver | Guerin, nothing |
| 21:17.40 | Guerin | denver: no can do |
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| 21:17.44 | Guerin | denver: you need a MTA |
| 21:17.46 | streuner | Assid: /msg dpkg they don't know |
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| 21:17.52 | Guerin | denver: (for cron, if nothing else) |
| 21:18.02 | Assid | err. dont know or didnt respond |
| 21:18.14 | streuner | its the same... |
| 21:18.15 | g333k_work | I'm planning to buy a usb bluetooh card, how can I know if it will be supported by ldebian? |
| 21:18.26 | Assid | either which way. i thought why not ask the actual distro that came up with apt.. hence why im here |
| 21:18.26 | Guerin | g333k_work: you google the model number |
| 21:18.50 | denver | Guerin, i must? |
| 21:18.50 | streuner | Assid: ok, what branch of debian are you using? |
| 21:19.43 | Assid | this box ? ubuntu .. im guessing thats unstable branchoff.. otherwise normally i use sarge/stable on my other boxes |
| 21:19.43 | hark | denver: how did you install exim and why do you want to get rid of it? |
| 21:19.49 | Guerin | denver: yes. A unix system needs a MTA of some sort. |
| 21:19.55 | Guerin | hark: exim is installed by default. |
| 21:20.02 | denver | yes that is how it was installed |
| 21:20.04 | g333k_work | Guerin, I dont know what model to buy.. I want to buy something that is already supporte |
| 21:20.11 | hark | only if you use tasksel |
| 21:20.11 | g333k_work | supported |
| 21:20.18 | streuner | Assid: uh, no, ubuntu uses other packages vs. debian... |
| 21:20.22 | denver | Guerin, i have used many other unix systems with no type of mta |
| 21:20.25 | Guerin | g333k_work: so make a list of models which are supported |
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| 21:20.35 | Guerin | denver: then they were incomplete - no cron, etc. |
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| 21:20.49 | Assid | okie, but the way apt works should be similar right .. i mean same conf files or perl files |
| 21:21.00 | g333k_work | Guerin, thats what I want... that "list" |
| 21:21.02 | Guerin | denver: if you don't want *anything* which needs a mta, by all means remove it. just aptitude purge exim4 |
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| 21:21.16 | Guerin | g333k_work: check a hcl or a usb compatibility list |
| 21:21.57 | DavidProck1981 | do any of you remember tring to help with my ATI drivers a while back |
| 21:21.58 | beau | dondelcaro; how do I use a text editor as root? |
| 21:22.08 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: didn't that go on for weeks? :) |
| 21:22.21 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 21:22.26 | DavidProck1981 | well.... |
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| 21:22.30 | abrotman | so i think the better question is .. who didn't help :) |
| 21:22.35 | hark | denver: you can see what was installed probably via tasksel --task-packages mail-server and try to remove them, but only if you really need to.. |
| 21:22.36 | denver | Guerin, thank you |
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| 21:22.57 | denver | hark, i really do need to |
| 21:23.15 | denver | perhaps another distro would be better suited to what i'm trying to do |
| 21:23.25 | streuner | no |
| 21:23.29 | Ronin | denver: you can easily remove exim4 |
| 21:23.32 | Assid | streuner: is there a way i can increase the simultanous connections in apt ? |
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| 21:23.38 | Ronin | or whatever mta it is |
| 21:23.43 | streuner | if you are able to read docus, you are fine with debian |
| 21:23.45 | jelly-home | denver: if no mail is to be sent on that machine, ever (not even local ones), you can remove the mta. |
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| 21:23.52 | sepski | denver, it's just you that's not explaining what you are trying to do very well |
| 21:24.03 | denver | sepski, most likely that is it :) |
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| 21:24.17 | pickcoder-wrk | denver: every unix server needs atleast a local mail MTA |
| 21:24.30 | sepski | denver, many things in a nix system require a mta for alerts/messages/logs various things, |
| 21:24.31 | pickcoder-wrk | reconfigure exim4 for local-only delivery and leave it alone |
| 21:24.33 | streuner | Assid: man sources.list |
| 21:24.40 | sepski | denver, if you dont like exim, replace it with one you do like |
| 21:24.45 | jelly-home | pickcoder-wrk: my linux router doesn't have a mta... |
| 21:24.57 | Ronin | pickcoder-wrk: well not exactly true, i have a machine here that doesnt and works nicely, mind you i get no alerts etc when shit hapens from it |
| 21:25.53 | pickcoder-wrk | ok..purge exim4 and don't replace it |
| 21:25.53 | denver | i am trying to remove the vast majority of packages i am not using |
| 21:25.53 | pickcoder-wrk | but mind you, it may screw up stuff |
| 21:25.53 | pickcoder-wrk | <g> |
| 21:25.53 | streuner | Assid: but, keep in mind, i don't use ubuntu ;-) |
| 21:25.53 | Ronin | denver: then do so |
| 21:25.53 | sepski | denver, your system is using a MTA, so install nullmailer or some ultralight mta like that |
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| 21:25.54 | sepski | there are several to choose from |
| 21:26.01 | DavidProck1981 | I got to talking to someone in a game that I like, and they started putting textures on my map I was making, and I told them I could not see virticle (up/down), and to me it looks like virticle lines different shades of color, And they say it could be a Rendering problem and Not a driver problem |
| 21:26.17 | beau | how do i edit files as root? |
| 21:26.19 | Assid | streuner: from what ive come up with.. i see Queue-Mode in apt.conf |
| 21:26.28 | Assid | but i cant seem to comprehend it |
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| 21:26.38 | DavidProck1981 | SO how would I tell if it is a Rendering problem? |
| 21:26.41 | sepski | beau, vi /path/textfile as root |
| 21:26.55 | ezguy | is it safe to run fsck on md raid5 device? |
| 21:26.56 | streuner | must be a 'easy' thingie in a brandnew distro :-) |
| 21:27.05 | Flimzy | I'm working on a project where we have a need for some sort of distributed filesystem--possibly even over great geographic distances (although high-speed internet connections just the same). My coworker is advocating mogilefs... it looks rather complex, tho... can anyone suggest something else? |
| 21:27.18 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: you'd ask #ati |
| 21:27.31 | sepski | ezguy, yes |
| 21:28.02 | sepski | ezguy, but dont run it on the disks that are member of the raid. run it on the whole mdX device |
| 21:28.10 | streuner | Assid: well, if you are using an 'easy' to use distro, why you are asking in #debian? |
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| 21:28.46 | DavidProck1981 | but what if the render problen is not directly related to my video card |
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| 21:29.12 | jelly-home | Assid: as far as I can tell, apt uses one connection per mirror |
| 21:29.18 | Edwin_Quijada | Hi! I am trying to install etch4 into sata disk but I cant boot |
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| 21:29.24 | ewanm89 | Assid: Try #ubuntu |
| 21:29.26 | Edwin_Quijada | with this disk |
| 21:29.27 | DavidProck1981 | like something that I need to install |
| 21:29.48 | sid | What is the tor package name for debian? |
| 21:29.55 | streuner | heh |
| 21:30.03 | streuner | sid: you're asking this? |
| 21:30.07 | xpurple | How do I reinstall a broken package? |
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| 21:30.32 | streuner | xpurple: show us your sources.list first |
| 21:30.35 | xpurple | locales is broken and causing all sorts of trouble and needs to be reinstalled. I was doing an apt-get update when the power went out. |
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| 21:30.40 | Edwin_Quijada | I install all fine but when I try to boot I get nothing |
| 21:30.42 | stew | xpurple: apt-get -f install |
| 21:30.49 | SpamDrunk | where does dhcp set the name servers? |
| 21:30.49 | sid | streuner: I can't find it... |
| 21:30.53 | jelly-home | ewanm89: how is #ubuntu going to help with bandwidth usage with apt? |
| 21:30.56 | Ronin | sid: apt-cache search |
| 21:31.07 | streuner | sid: you don't already use it ? :-P |
| 21:31.13 | SpamDrunk | in debian i mean |
| 21:31.16 | Ronin | heh |
| 21:31.19 | Edwin_Quijada | there is something like base-config in etch4 |
| 21:31.24 | stew | SpamDrunk: what do you mean where? what file does it put name servers into? |
| 21:31.26 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: no |
| 21:31.30 | Ronin | just noticed that streuner |
| 21:31.34 | SpamDrunk | stew yes |
| 21:31.37 | streuner | jelly: that wasn't the question... |
| 21:31.38 | sid | streuner: no, this is a static hostmask from lilo, if I use tor or not I have this hostmask. It's for "trusted" users or something he said. |
| 21:31.38 | xpurple | streuner: ftp.debian.org and security.debian.org |
| 21:31.40 | stew | SpamDrunk: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:31.44 | ewanm89 | jelly-home: Debian apt and ubuntu apt are different customised to the Distros slightly |
| 21:31.53 | SpamDrunk | stew, thx |
| 21:31.54 | sid | streuner: So my tor hostmask is different from other tor hostmasks, hence I'm not banned in here. but others are iirc |
| 21:32.00 | streuner | xpurple: uh, show us the whole error in paster bot |
| 21:32.06 | Edwin_Quijada | stew: How can i configure something after the installation |
| 21:32.06 | ezguy | sepski: i thought I remember reading it some where about not safe to run fsck on raid5 |
| 21:32.07 | Edwin_Quijada | ? |
| 21:32.09 | jelly-home | ewanm89: oh |
| 21:32.15 | xpurple | streuner: I can't paste it and would have to copy it by hand. |
| 21:32.24 | streuner | sid: sounds like a 'political' issue then |
| 21:32.25 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: configure what? |
| 21:32.25 | sid | for some reason I always have trouble finding the package name for tor, I'm on an etch box right now. |
| 21:32.33 | Edwin_Quijada | for example apt |
| 21:32.57 | Ronin | sid: well on sarge its tor oddlyenough |
| 21:32.58 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:33.04 | Edwin_Quijada | there is something way to run sarge 3,1 in sata disk? |
| 21:33.22 | sid | !info tor etch |
| 21:33.40 | abrotman | etch doesn't have tor |
| 21:33.47 | abrotman | neither does sarge |
| 21:33.49 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: it depends on the sata controller, some will work fine with sarge, some will require a newer kernel |
| 21:34.01 | abrotman | sid: the maintainer filed a bug to keep it out of sarge/etch |
| 21:34.14 | Ronin | abrotman: you sure? humm apt-cache search on sarge brings it up |
| 21:34.26 | jelly-home | !info tor sarge |
| 21:34.34 | abrotman | Ronin: you didn't get it from an official repository unless you've been tracking sarge since it was unstable |
| 21:34.41 | sid | abrotman: ahh I see. |
| 21:34.52 | sid | I'll just grab it from sid since etch and sid are practically the same right now |
| 21:34.53 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=tor |
| 21:34.57 | streuner | xpurple: we need infos, otherwise we can't help |
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| 21:35.16 | Edwin_Quijada | I am trying to install sarge but I cant detect the sata disk |
| 21:35.20 | Ronin | abrotman: only non-offical repo i have is debian-multimedia, and i wouldn't touch unstable with a your hands :) |
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| 21:35.34 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: did you try using the 2.6 kernel or just the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:35.35 | abrotman | !dbugs 378758 |
| 21:35.38 | dpkg | #378758:S[tor] not ready for a stable debian release; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:03:14 UTC |
| 21:35.41 | abrotman | see! |
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| 21:36.43 | Ronin | interesting how it shows up for me, oh well not like i planon installing it |
| 21:37.23 | stew | Ronin: "apt-cache policy tor" |
| 21:38.01 | Ronin | ahh haa, i lied about non-offical, i forgot about backports and thats apparently where its finding it |
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| 21:38.38 | Assid | streuner: okay got it.. Acquire::http::Pipeline-Depth "5"; add this to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 21:38.50 | Assid | that will give you 5 connections |
| 21:38.50 | streuner | have fun |
| 21:38.54 | Assid | hehe thanks |
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| 21:39.21 | K|NgGh0sT | Hello, was wondering if I'm currently running a LVM, build on a 250 and a 300 gig drive... if I wanted to add 2 more drives and convert to a raid 05 lvm... can I do this without losing data? |
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| 21:40.37 | Assid | i gotta understand whats LVM |
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| 21:41.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Logical Volume Manager |
| 21:41.16 | stew | !lvm |
| 21:41.16 | dpkg | [lvm] at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 21:41.57 | Assid | err.. apparently not giving me 5 connections.. weird |
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| 21:44.51 | PumpkinPie | if I send two pings and one fails does ping return 0 or 1? |
| 21:45.02 | PumpkinPie | exit code |
| 21:45.57 | Assid | lvm seems nice |
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| 21:52.23 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: should be easy to test |
| 21:52.23 | OoberMick | PumpkinPie: From man ping: If a packet count and deadline are both specified, and fewer than count packets are received by the time the deadline has arrived, it will also exit with code 1. On other error it exits with code 2. Otherwise it exits with code 0. |
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| 21:52.23 | abrotman | or read the man page :) |
| 21:52.42 | OoberMick | read the *fine* man page |
| 21:52.53 | K|NgGh0sT | ugh |
| 21:52.59 | K|NgGh0sT | I hate people that say fine |
| 21:53.34 | OoberMick | just in general or only in this case? |
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| 21:54.43 | beau | how do I edit XF86Config as root? |
| 21:54.54 | beau | XF86Config-4 |
| 21:54.57 | sepski | !drxx |
| 21:54.57 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 21:55.10 | stew | beau: as root, run "sensible-editor /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
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| 21:59.45 | beau | all I need to do is get my display to 1024x768 |
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| 22:00.18 | beau | it wont do it in xf86 |
| 22:00.19 | DavidProck1981 | hay is xawtv able to unscramble channels |
| 22:00.55 | justin_ | !+xawtv |
| 22:00.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, xawtv is used to watch tv in X. You need bttv or video4linux. or at http://www.in-berlin.de/User/kraxel/xawtv.html, or xawtv sucks and you should use tvtime |
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| 22:01.59 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: no... what your tuner decodes is what any of the TV apps is going to display |
| 22:02.12 | DavidProck1981 | twell xawtv lets me watch channel 19, and on a resular tv I can't see that channell |
| 22:02.41 | pickcoder | if you have digital cable, many of the lower channels must be unscrabled |
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| 22:02.55 | pickcoder | I get HBO on my VCR, but my cable box shows it must be ordered |
| 22:03.10 | DavidProck1981 | LOL |
| 22:03.20 | pickcoder | nice eh? |
| 22:03.30 | pickcoder | too bad skinamax is a higher channel |
| 22:03.31 | beau | are tar.bz2 files compatible with debian? |
| 22:03.36 | DavidProck1981 | HBO / channel 5 I can't get |
| 22:03.37 | pickcoder | as well as encore |
| 22:04.33 | pickcoder | beau: bz2 is bzip2.. tar is tar.. they are compatible with any *nix or BSD system |
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| 22:05.10 | DavidProck1981 | well 19 is still kind of scrambeld but it is very watchable |
| 22:05.18 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: if you are handy with a soldering iron, you can find plans and kits for _illegal_ descramblers |
| 22:05.35 | DavidProck1981 | heh |
| 22:06.01 | DavidProck1981 | more info please |
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| 22:06.04 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 22:06.15 | pickcoder | I also read up on plans for PC based DirecTV H cards |
| 22:06.26 | pickcoder | seems like a ton of work and expense for a cheap TV plan |
| 22:06.38 | K|NgGh0sT | you talking about DVB? |
| 22:06.57 | pickcoder | nope.. loop cards |
| 22:07.02 | pickcoder | using a USB interface |
| 22:07.11 | K|NgGh0sT | ah was going to say |
| 22:07.13 | K|NgGh0sT | dvb is a bitch |
| 22:07.23 | pickcoder | stores the data on a temp file in memory which you can wipe and restore to original settings for PPV |
| 22:07.43 | pickcoder | or restore it after it gets zapped |
| 22:08.20 | stew | an h card? |
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| 22:08.29 | stew | wasn't that stream terminated like 5 years ago? |
| 22:08.34 | pickcoder | stew: was it? |
| 22:08.46 | pickcoder | I dunno.. I dropped DTV eons ago |
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| 22:09.15 | pickcoder | wouldn't surprise me |
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| 22:09.22 | stew | pickcoder: hu was even terminated when the n cards came out |
| 22:09.32 | pickcoder | HU.. yeah that's what I had |
| 22:09.48 | pickcoder | cleaning out the closet |
| 22:09.54 | Assid | i need to learn how to setup vpn on linux |
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| 22:10.43 | Assid | well.. thats in my todo list sometime in the future |
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| 22:11.31 | pickcoder | Assid: it's fairly easy.. openvpn |
| 22:11.40 | pickcoder | there's even a client for `Doze |
| 22:11.47 | Assid | yep am reading this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/489 |
| 22:12.22 | Assid | i just hope i dont mess up |
| 22:12.24 | Assid | :P |
| 22:12.40 | beau | I can not choose 1024x768 in xf86 |
| 22:12.46 | stoned | hello boyos! |
| 22:12.58 | pickcoder | beau: you've been told atleast 3 times now how to reconfigure X |
| 22:13.04 | streuner | hello stoned! :-P |
| 22:13.15 | pickcoder | beau: uncheck every resolution except the one you want |
| 22:13.16 | stoned | hi there |
| 22:13.20 | Assid | pickcoder: you think i can do it up in 20 mins? |
| 22:13.26 | stoned | beau: have you done what you were instructed to do? |
| 22:13.32 | pickcoder | Assid: if you've done it before, sure |
| 22:13.35 | streuner | pickcoder: i remember 2 hours ago :-P |
| 22:13.59 | stoned | I just spent 600$ |
| 22:14.21 | Assid | pickcoder: winbox can connect to the debian vpn server right? pptp ? |
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| 22:14.31 | streuner | stoned: las vegas? |
| 22:14.32 | stew | beau: why can'tyou choose 1024x768? |
| 22:14.33 | stoned | friggin earrings for the woman |
| 22:14.39 | stew | beau: how are you trying? |
| 22:15.14 | beau | it wont even let me check the option for 1024x768 |
| 22:15.18 | pickcoder | Assid: it uses a vritual network device in win. I don't remember exactly which protocol it uses, but you can't use the VPN stuff in windows with openvpn. |
| 22:15.19 | wes | hey . . how can I fix the ssh issue which gives me : REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! |
| 22:15.29 | stoned | I get a phone call from my mom and my girl and shes like hey I picked out some earrings, I'm using your card! thats it. |
| 22:15.33 | stoned | wtf man |
| 22:15.33 | stoned | :( |
| 22:15.41 | stew | wes: ssh-keygen -R hostname |
| 22:15.52 | itchi | That's some fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno i wonder what the guy runs :-) |
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| 22:16.16 | stoned | stew: is it the same as deleting ~/.ssh/the keys here and just login to ssh again and it will ask if you want to accept |
| 22:16.20 | stew | beau: what are you doing? dpkg-reconfigure? you can see 1024x768 but its greyed out? |
| 22:16.23 | pickcoder | beau: did you select the correct video driver? |
| 22:16.58 | Assid | pickcoder: so how would i connect those 2 ? |
| 22:17.09 | stew | stoned: its the same as deleting the correct line from .ssh/known_hosts, but you don't have to know what the correct line is (which is handy when the hostnames are hashed) |
| 22:17.14 | pickcoder | Assid: there is a GUI client for Win on another site |
| 22:17.24 | pickcoder | just follow the links from openvpn.org |
| 22:17.40 | wes | ty stew |
| 22:17.48 | Assid | okie |
| 22:17.52 | stoned | stew: stew aha |
| 22:17.56 | stoned | oh, minus one stew |
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| 22:19.13 | fsmunoz | We'll play Paris SG, not easy but not hard either.... Braga will play the Spurs, that's a first, they never set foor on White Hear Lane before... maybe they can pull it though, even with the odds saying otherwise an,..'s |
| 22:19.24 | fsmunoz | Uh, sorry. |
| 22:19.30 | streuner | abrotman: what's the wb(r) factoid again? |
| 22:19.39 | abrotman | from the other bot ? |
| 22:19.43 | streuner | yeah |
| 22:19.48 | abrotman | HAHA .. Look .. That loser, abrotman, couldn't stay off IRC. |
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| 22:20.02 | stoned | huh |
| 22:20.10 | stoned | abrotman: you feelin' alright? |
| 22:20.16 | abrotman | why? |
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| 22:20.30 | stoned | that last thing you said |
| 22:20.37 | abrotman | stoned: it's from the bot from #-ot |
| 22:20.42 | stoned | oh |
| 22:20.47 | streuner | abrotman: i need that for another 'user' ;-) |
| 22:21.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:21.14 | stoned | hey the !stoned factoid needs updating :) |
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| 22:22.05 | beau | stew : how doI check the option I need in xconfig |
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| 22:23.52 | stoned | abrotman: btw the page is now fully fixed in opera, konqueror, iceweasel, broken in IE, but I care less about making it work for IE. The menus also stick properly and not transparent anymore. |
| 22:24.12 | abrotman | stoned: if you use basic standards .. it should work |
| 22:24.21 | stoned | im trying |
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| 22:25.54 | stoned | abrotman: the problem is not the coding or the time taken to do so. the problem is that I cannot design at all really |
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| 22:28.23 | stoned | food |
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| 22:29.05 | beau | I need help extracting a tar.bz2 file |
| 22:29.17 | streuner | !tar |
| 22:29.17 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 22:29.33 | abrotman | stoned: start with what you know .. learn more |
| 22:30.56 | beau | ok I have a tarbz2 file i want to extract and install can someone walk me through that? |
| 22:31.22 | beau | tar xvjf isn't working |
| 22:31.24 | pickcoder | stoned: most user polls say that more then a few clicks to get to content is too much |
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| 22:31.34 | abrotman | agreed! |
| 22:31.38 | stoned | yeh |
| 22:31.41 | stoned | later |
| 22:31.44 | stoned | food! |
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| 22:32.43 | coderpath | n |
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| 22:33.31 | pickcoder | what sucks is overall content design depends on the target audience |
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| 22:33.56 | pickcoder | which is why CMS packages have themes |
| 22:34.14 | coderpath | dselect wants to make change to my system when I go to Install. How do I abandon the changes? |
| 22:35.00 | holycow | notice, a wee bit of usefull spam comming up ... |
| 22:35.18 | holycow | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3661481 |
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| 22:35.22 | Douglas[Away] | Helo |
| 22:35.28 | holycow | i think i am going to start buying hp servers |
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| 22:35.31 | holycow | interesting |
| 22:35.31 | Douglas[Away] | I got a dedicated server |
| 22:35.32 | rahul | EHLO |
| 22:35.38 | Douglas[Away] | with debian, and its in a different language |
| 22:35.41 | Douglas[Away] | how can I set it to english? |
| 22:36.16 | Beowulf_Lives | Does anybody know what this error message means when using a SCSI HD: rejecting io to offline device ? |
| 22:37.10 | pickcoder | Douglas[Away]: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 22:37.39 | beau | can someone help me get azureus installed |
| 22:37.44 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:38.07 | pickcoder | stoned: web design is totally biased |
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| 22:38.42 | pickcoder | I bought a book a while back based on user observations and polls |
| 22:38.57 | pickcoder | gah.. what's the name... |
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| 22:38.59 | beau | or actually just help me extract a tar.bz2 file |
| 22:39.10 | stoned | I bought one too, something like, webpages that suck |
| 22:39.18 | beau | please help I am n00b |
| 22:39.19 | stoned | by an old baldish guy |
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| 22:39.28 | stoned | i lost it though |
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| 22:39.55 | beau | tar xvjf isn't working |
| 22:39.58 | Running_Aim | hello...i am trying to install debian 3.1 from a dvd but when it boots it gets stuck at ohci1394..does anyone know what i can do? |
| 22:40.17 | pickcoder | oh.. it's a web usability book |
| 22:40.19 | stoned | http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ |
| 22:40.21 | pickcoder | "don't make me think" |
| 22:40.22 | stoned | I tihtnk thats the one |
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| 22:40.30 | metafor | does debian have a automatic grub menu.lst config tool? |
| 22:40.30 | fsmunoz | beau, what's the output of "file <filename.tar.gz>"? |
| 22:40.33 | pickcoder | Steve Krug |
| 22:40.37 | pickcoder | good stuff |
| 22:40.39 | abrotman | Running_Aim: hit Ctrl-C and see if it continues |
| 22:40.41 | stoned | it was for 3$ at a 75% off books store |
| 22:40.42 | fsmunoz | metafor, yes |
| 22:40.46 | fsmunoz | metafor, update-grub |
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| 22:40.52 | stoned | lern good web design by looking at bad design |
| 22:40.56 | stoned | makes sense I suppose |
| 22:40.59 | pickcoder | it's not a "here's an example design for you" type of book. |
| 22:41.02 | Muisje | Running_Aim try downloading the dvd image again and/or burn again. Could be something didn't got over correctly during internet transfer or burning. |
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| 22:41.05 | fsmunoz | metafor, read the menu.lst, there are some variables there hidden in comments. |
| 22:41.19 | pickcoder | it's general aspects of things to consider when you lay out a design |
| 22:41.23 | Running_Aim | abrotman: ok thanx i will try..however if it does not any other clues?:P |
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| 22:41.25 | pickcoder | like branding |
| 22:41.28 | pickcoder | menus |
| 22:41.33 | pickcoder | etc |
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| 22:41.39 | abrotman | Running_Aim: try the other kernel |
| 22:42.03 | Running_Aim | abrotman: ok thanx |
| 22:42.07 | abrotman | !ig |
| 22:42.07 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
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| 22:42.30 | stoned | haha, kinda like the dummies books |
| 22:43.07 | impulse6 | I working on etch, and have gcc installed, but the manpage is missing |
| 22:43.19 | impulse6 | does anyone know why, man 3 is missing as well |
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| 22:43.30 | pickcoder | stoned: http://tinyurl.com/yvvr2c |
| 22:43.32 | streuner | !info man-pages |
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| 22:43.49 | pickcoder | you can almost get most of the books content from the comments |
| 22:43.51 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:44.02 | stoned | cool |
| 22:45.06 | streuner | impulse6: do you have manpages installed? |
| 22:45.14 | streuner | !info manpages |
| 22:45.22 | dpkg | manpages: (Manual pages about using a GNU/Linux system), section doc, is important. Version: 2.40-1 (sid), Packaged size: 474 kB, Installed size: 828 kB |
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| 22:45.40 | impulse6 | yes, I can man things like xchat |
| 22:46.15 | impulse6 | is manpages a package that I could be missing |
| 22:46.23 | streuner | so what's the problem then? |
| 22:46.48 | impulse6 | there is no man page for gcc |
| 22:47.18 | impulse6 | and the man 3 pages are not there, no man 3 stdio.h, man 3 printf |
| 22:47.34 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.40 | rahul | ... |
| 22:47.44 | rahul | manpages-dev |
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| 22:48.23 | rahul | if you don't have a gcc man page, you probably don't have gcc installed |
| 22:48.24 | streuner | liable: you suck |
| 22:48.45 | impulse6 | that's the strange part, i do have gcc installed, not very debian like |
| 22:48.51 | streuner | liable: the URL in linux-laptop.net doesn't work! |
| 22:49.01 | impulse6 | i'm going to run apt-get install gcc-doc, and gcc-doc-base |
| 22:49.17 | stew | the gcc docs are in non-free now, afaik |
| 22:49.21 | rahul | gcc: /usr/share/man/man1/c89-gcc.1.gz |
| 22:49.21 | rahul | gcc: /usr/share/man/man1/c99-gcc.1.gz |
| 22:49.28 | streuner | stew: heh |
| 22:49.49 | anapivirtua | Hi all \\o |
| 22:49.59 | impulse6 | the gcc-doc package is not installed, is it being in non-free why it didn't install with gcc |
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| 22:50.03 | streuner | stew: why 'non-free'? |
| 22:50.16 | stew | streuner: gfdl with invariant sections |
| 22:50.19 | rahul | streuner: it's not DFSG free |
| 22:50.25 | streuner | fuck |
| 22:50.26 | impulse6 | I thought debian policy states that all executables must install a manual page |
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| 22:50.39 | rahul | yeah, doc, not software. invariant sections aren't free. |
| 22:50.45 | stew | impulse6: the gcc documentation isn't free software, so it can't be included in debian |
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| 22:51.02 | impulse6 | what about policy? |
| 22:51.04 | stew | impulse6: that policy isn't currently enforced |
| 22:51.05 | pickcoder | hrm.. I wonder why I can install it from etch/main then |
| 22:51.06 | rahul | invariant sections are like pine. |
| 22:51.17 | stew | impulse6: see qa.debian.org for hundreds of non-compliant packages |
| 22:51.20 | rahul | you can't change it and distribute it |
| 22:51.20 | pickcoder | gcc-2.95-doc |
| 22:51.38 | stew | impulse6: http://qa.debian.org/man-pages.html |
| 22:51.43 | impulse6 | on a side note, who has rights on gcc doc? |
| 22:51.53 | stew | impulse6: what do you mean? |
| 22:52.09 | impulse6 | why isn't it GNUed? free? |
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| 22:52.22 | stew | impulse6: becuase the fsf does not believe docuemntation needs to be free |
| 22:52.38 | stew | impulse6: they take the stance that documentation is not software |
| 22:52.54 | Ronin | well thats some interesting logic |
| 22:53.20 | streuner | Ronin: indeed |
| 22:53.21 | rahul | it's consistent with the jboss philosophy |
| 22:53.25 | stew | impulse6: they created the GFDL for the purpose of being able to make parts of documentation non-modifiable (and therefore non-free by debian standards) |
| 22:53.38 | rahul | lure people in with broken software and then charge them for docs and consulting so they can get it to worek |
| 22:53.40 | streuner | haha |
| 22:53.49 | impulse6 | does this mean documentation can not be free, or just isn't necessarly free |
| 22:53.59 | rahul | impulse6: it means the FSF's docs are not free |
| 22:54.05 | pickcoder | stew: why is there a package for 2.95 docs in main then? |
| 22:54.09 | stew | impulse6: documentation can be free. fsf chooses to make some of their documentation non-free |
| 22:54.31 | impulse6 | that's sad |
| 22:54.49 | stew | pickcoder: becuase a GR was passed to allow the non-free docs in main for sarge as to not hold up the sarge release |
| 22:55.00 | pickcoder | so it's in Etch too? |
| 22:55.04 | pickcoder | because of that.. |
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| 22:55.32 | stoned | j #hardware |
| 22:55.38 | stoned | oopp |
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| 22:55.50 | impulse6 | what is the package for the programing man pages called? So I can do man 3 printf |
| 22:55.59 | rahul | manpages-dev |
| 22:56.02 | stew | pickcoder: oh that is in etch? |
| 22:56.03 | karsten | impulse6: ^^ |
| 22:56.11 | karsten | !win rahul |
| 22:56.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, rahul! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:56.16 | rahul | for the linux syscalls and glibc functions |
| 22:56.22 | pickcoder | stew: yes |
| 22:56.49 | streuner | rahul: hehe, how you feel to win the secont prize? ;-) |
| 22:57.08 | impulse6 | ok, manpages-dev, glibc-doc |
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| 22:57.16 | stoned | 2nd prize... from the bottom! |
| 22:57.17 | stoned | haha |
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| 22:57.28 | streuner | haha |
| 22:57.38 | stew | pickcoder: according to /usr/share/doc/gcc-2.95-doc/copyright it is gpl, not gfdl |
| 22:57.55 | karsten | stoned: No, from the top. |
| 22:57.58 | pickcoder | oh the license for the docs where changed |
| 22:58.01 | karsten | stoned: he was the only contestant. |
| 22:58.05 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:58.22 | stew | pickcoder: yeah, it appears that when gcc3 was released it came with gfdl docs instead of gcc docs |
| 22:58.25 | streuner | karsten: no, let us fool rahul a little bit ;-) |
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| 22:59.30 | impulse6 | the man 3 page for printf says it's part of the Linux Programmer's Manual not GNU Programmer's Manual |
| 22:59.36 | streuner | karsten: he needs that ;-) |
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| 23:00.16 | x_link | BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 23:00.19 | x_link | I get that error |
| 23:00.26 | x_link | How can I fix that? |
| 23:00.29 | stew | x_link: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 23:00.35 | x_link | right Forgot =/ |
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| 23:00.42 | rahul | streuner: eh, I guess someone has a hotter ass than mine |
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| 23:01.15 | streuner | karsten: see ^^^ :-) |
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| 23:01.32 | rahul | hmm, I saw some hot asses today |
| 23:01.52 | womblenz | Hey, anyone here know about phpize on etch? |
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| 23:01.54 | streuner | rahul: its just fun.. |
| 23:02.04 | rahul | hot asses are lots of fun! |
| 23:02.17 | womblenz | Less hot asses, more phpize :P |
| 23:02.41 | stoned | womblenz: man your priorities are not in order |
| 23:02.43 | stoned | :) |
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| 23:03.13 | stoned | !tell womblenz -about anyone |
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| 23:03.53 | rahul | the one in your msgs was the one who beat me, I guess |
| 23:03.58 | womblenz | OK< I'm trying to run "pear install --alldeps Auth_RADIUS" and get and error about phpize being missing |
| 23:04.09 | stoned | rahul: quit spammin me with prawn |
| 23:04.14 | rahul | heh |
| 23:04.17 | stoned | rahul: for the record, I think its flat |
| 23:04.19 | rahul | you want lobster instead? |
| 23:04.32 | rahul | eh, it's not perfect, yeah |
| 23:04.36 | womblenz | I've tried searching package lists, dpkg -S etc but can't find phpize :( |
| 23:04.40 | rahul | but what do you expect from a model? a hot body? |
| 23:04.41 | stoned | maybe the lingeie or the fact that shes naked makes it look hot but thats not really hot |
| 23:04.48 | stoned | its just average really |
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| 23:04.54 | rahul | yeah |
| 23:05.07 | stoned | same thing with make up |
| 23:05.08 | rahul | it's that inverse thong thing that's really hot |
| 23:05.09 | streuner | stoned: don't be a ass :-) |
| 23:05.20 | stoned | if you need to cake on a lot of it, you're useless to me |
| 23:05.42 | stoned | streuner: I try not to be |
| 23:05.42 | rahul | victoria's secret is the only company that knows how to pick their models |
| 23:06.02 | stoned | I'd say.. I was 12 when tyra banks started in sears catalogues and shit |
| 23:06.09 | stoned | then I later learned she became a supermodel |
| 23:06.11 | stoned | weird |
| 23:06.21 | streuner | heh |
| 23:06.47 | streuner | its not a success to get some hot chicks |
| 23:06.57 | streuner | its just life |
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| 23:07.01 | fsmunoz | True |
| 23:07.05 | womblenz | OK, found it... apt-get install php5-dev |
| 23:07.07 | womblenz | Oi vey |
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| 23:07.58 | pickcoder | streuner: does losing hot chicks not mean you're a loser, it's just life? |
| 23:08.10 | rahul | heh |
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| 23:08.17 | rahul | it is just life |
| 23:08.20 | rahul | they come and go |
| 23:08.41 | rahul | I really hate it when the ones who are hot but not my time start hitting on me |
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| 23:09.05 | stoned | I've never had to worry about such things |
| 23:09.06 | stoned | :) |
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| 23:09.30 | rahul | I'm not sure if she was playing distraction for her roommate or what |
| 23:09.35 | streuner | pickcoder: 'Einstein' was a very smart guy, does he had the hotest chicks in the world? ... |
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| 23:09.46 | rahul | because her roommate is my type and she likes me, but she has a bf |
| 23:09.49 | pickcoder | streuner: who knows?.. maybe? |
| 23:09.59 | stoned | I mean sure theres been a black chic and a buncha white chics in my life, but never had to worry about not having a GF |
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| 23:10.37 | stoned | my mind is at ease and at peace |
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| 23:10.53 | stoned | I don't get dressed up and strut round in clubs trying to pick up girls |
| 23:10.58 | streuner | like 'Hippie'? |
| 23:11.06 | rahul | stoned: that rarely works |
| 23:11.09 | stoned | streuner: sure |
| 23:11.13 | stoned | rahul: I wouldn't know |
| 23:11.16 | rahul | or at least, I get pissed off before it works |
| 23:11.17 | streuner | cool |
| 23:11.27 | stoned | rahul: shadi! |
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| 23:11.39 | rahul | heh |
| 23:11.43 | stoned | few months, immigration is underway |
| 23:11.53 | streuner | pickcoder: google for 'hawai studies' |
| 23:12.02 | stoned | hawaii |
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| 23:12.39 | streuner | pickcoder: they say, "each person get the same person which has the same attravity'... |
| 23:12.40 | rahul | http://a868.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_9dd76867e363f621a5a90340e9a8789b.jpg |
| 23:12.47 | rahul | eh, can't find any good pics of her |
| 23:13.04 | rahul | http://a776.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/36/l_daaaa93e501e36d8946b24f76089053f.jpg |
| 23:13.09 | rahul | that's probably the best. oh well |
| 23:13.11 | stoned | yo yo |
| 23:13.12 | stoned | chill |
| 23:13.25 | rahul | somebody come up here and keep that chick company |
| 23:13.35 | stoned | yeh shes alright |
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| 23:13.41 | stew | !ot |
| 23:13.41 | dpkg | it has been said that ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 23:13.42 | streuner | pickcoder: attractiveness |
| 23:13.51 | rahul | she's a natural artist, too |
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| 23:13.58 | stoned | I'm a natural artist |
| 23:14.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:14.09 | stoned | music is an art |
| 23:14.09 | rahul | good, you two would make a good coupole :) |
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| 23:14.24 | stoned | nah.. there is no other woman I want than my own |
| 23:14.28 | stoned | I'm good bro |
| 23:14.46 | vidd_laptop | quick question: can someone point me in the direction of creating an install disk on a usb mem stick? |
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| 23:14.53 | stoned | I think programming software is an art too |
| 23:15.08 | stoned | a lot of people don't think of it like that |
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| 23:15.38 | pickcoder | !d-i |
| 23:15.39 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 23:15.51 | rahul | stoned: most def. |
| 23:15.55 | uso | hi |
| 23:15.56 | rahul | stoned: www.dreamsongs.com |
| 23:16.22 | rahul | stoned: programming is most closely related to architecure and turkish prayer rugs. |
| 23:16.45 | stoned | I think sex is directly related to gravity |
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| 23:16.55 | rahul | heh |
| 23:17.06 | stoned | no I mean it, like real gravity |
| 23:17.07 | uso | i have 2 systems with bind9 on it, at one system there are 5 named processes running, at the other only one process |
| 23:17.15 | stoned | you know out there in the universe somewhere |
| 23:17.15 | rahul | stoned: what about in outer space? |
| 23:17.30 | stoned | gravity is everywhere, its what holds the universe together man |
| 23:17.35 | uso | is there an option to set the number of processes or how does named decide how many processes to run? |
| 23:17.41 | stew | and keeps the xorg running |
| 23:17.44 | stoned | you may think space has no gravity, but it does, its just too weak to be noticed by us |
| 23:17.45 | rahul | heh |
| 23:18.10 | vidd_laptop | can you provide a little more help then that? |
| 23:18.10 | streuner | stew: haha |
| 23:18.10 | rahul | stoned: microgravity isn't that sigificant, tho |
| 23:18.28 | rahul | stoned: actually, it's the physical opposition to gravity that makes us feel weight... |
| 23:18.29 | stoned | see for example debian is also held together by gravity |
| 23:18.46 | stoned | well not the xorg guy |
| 23:18.50 | stoned | but like the real thing you know |
| 23:18.56 | rahul | my balls are held together by gravity. |
| 23:19.01 | streuner | haha |
| 23:19.03 | stoned | thats uncalled for man |
| 23:19.08 | rahul | heh |
| 23:19.27 | stew | intelligent falling ftw |
| 23:19.35 | stoned | anyway, (trying not to picture balls) so as I was saying |
| 23:19.38 | vidd_laptop | anyone? |
| 23:19.38 | rahul | haha |
| 23:19.43 | streuner | rahul: you are sometimes uhm, ordinary ;-) |
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| 23:20.22 | stoned | see you have frozed solid debian |
| 23:20.28 | stoned | and you have the runny nose snotty debian |
| 23:20.34 | vidd_laptop | has anyone here DONE a mem stick install? |
| 23:20.36 | stoned | in the middle is someting that really never works |
| 23:20.49 | streuner | stoned: haha |
| 23:20.57 | stoned | it is the polarity of the debian that attracts it together |
| 23:21.20 | stoned | so it is held in orbit |
| 23:21.26 | Arafangion | stoned: Which end? Potato or Sid? |
| 23:21.27 | pickcoder | vidd_laptop: can you make a bootable USB stick? |
| 23:21.28 | streuner | stoned: i never unterstood how you get both things together ;-) |
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| 23:21.35 | Arafangion | stoned: Sid, at least, is consistent... :) |
| 23:21.43 | vidd_laptop | never done it |
| 23:21.51 | stew | vidd_laptop: install onto memory stick? or install from an installer running from a memory stick? |
| 23:21.53 | stoned | stable and unstable revolve around testing with an unpredicted time legnth |
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| 23:22.11 | smulcahy | hi |
| 23:22.12 | stoned | the entire revolution could take 3 years (in case of sarge) to maybe 1.5 years (hopefuly for etch) |
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| 23:22.27 | vidd_laptop | i need the installer on the stick |
| 23:22.28 | stoned | it is unpredictable |
| 23:22.34 | streuner | Who knows? |
| 23:22.38 | rahul | it's raining? |
| 23:22.39 | smulcahy | any samba gurus here? |
| 23:22.42 | rahul | fuckers |
| 23:22.45 | streuner | #samba |
| 23:22.46 | stew | !usb-install |
| 23:22.46 | dpkg | somebody said usb-install was Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 23:22.48 | stoned | smulcahy: #samba |
| 23:22.50 | smulcahy | yeah, tried there |
| 23:22.56 | stoned | smulcahy: ask |
| 23:22.59 | streuner | !they don't know |
| 23:22.59 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 23:23.06 | smulcahy | ouch |
| 23:23.11 | smulcahy | i figured there was common ground |
| 23:23.12 | stoned | smulcahy: just ask man |
| 23:23.20 | stoned | if you're on debian sure we'd help you |
| 23:23.20 | smulcahy | ask here? |
| 23:23.23 | liable | stoned: ask away |
| 23:23.26 | stoned | if you're on ubutnu |
| 23:23.27 | liable | smulcahy: ^^ |
| 23:23.28 | smulcahy | course i'm on debian :) |
| 23:23.29 | stoned | or something else |
| 23:23.35 | streuner | liable: shame on you! |
| 23:23.41 | stoned | liable: funny :) |
| 23:23.42 | liable | why? |
| 23:23.50 | stoned | smulcahy: next time just ask the damn question huh |
| 23:23.53 | stoned | !ask |
| 23:23.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:23.58 | streuner | liable: what's up with your laptop URL? ;-) |
| 23:23.59 | smulcahy | i have the following setup http://blog.aplpi.com/index.php/2007/02/22/simple-samba-pdc-on-debian-40-etch/ |
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| 23:24.11 | smulcahy | and i'm getting the following problem http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2007-February/129786.html |
| 23:24.21 | liable | streuner: eh? which laptop url? |
| 23:24.30 | streuner | liable: i tried a URL (T60) |
| 23:24.38 | smulcahy | and i can't tell if its a samba config problem, a windows xp problem or something in between |
| 23:24.39 | streuner | liable: ATI! |
| 23:24.50 | stoned | smulcahy: you might wanna be patient and wait for people in #samba to respond or check with ##linux |
| 23:25.01 | stoned | smulcahy: or if anyone here knows if you get lucky |
| 23:25.02 | smulcahy | and i've exhausted the (limited) limits of my samba diagnostic knowledge |
| 23:25.03 | streuner | liable: do you have ATI? |
| 23:25.09 | liable | streuner: just moved into a new home, waiting for the adsl to be connected, i have my old r40 acting as a dialup wireless router :) |
| 23:25.13 | smulcahy | kewl stoned, thanks for civilised response |
| 23:25.13 | liable | streuner: yes |
| 23:25.20 | stoned | yup |
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| 23:25.34 | streuner | liable: someone explained me, he had Intel |
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| 23:26.02 | streuner | liable: i only found ATI (T60) |
| 23:26.04 | stoned | VR Troopers! |
| 23:26.04 | smulcahy | i thought there would be a firehose of questions flying around here |
| 23:26.08 | smulcahy | seems fairly civilised |
| 23:26.35 | stew | smulcahy: debian is working so well that nobody needs to ask questions |
| 23:26.40 | liable | streuner: what are you after? did you buy a t60? |
| 23:26.49 | stoned | stew: that is very true |
| 23:26.55 | smulcahy | hehe |
| 23:26.57 | stew | t60s are huge |
| 23:26.59 | stoned | it is the gravity I tell you |
| 23:27.00 | streuner | liable: not me, another user asked about... |
| 23:27.46 | smulcahy | do people here generally disable periodic fsck on ext3 volumes? |
| 23:27.46 | stoned | gravity holds debian together and the people resideing on the different planets of stable unstable and testing make it all work smoothly |
| 23:27.46 | liable | stew: compared to a x60 maybe :P |
| 23:27.46 | amphi | stew: really? significantly larger than a T42? |
| 23:27.46 | stoned | interplanetary communications are usually handled by #debian |
| 23:27.47 | smulcahy | i've heard it suggested but i'm concerned that it might bite me on the posterior at some stage |
| 23:27.50 | liable | amphi: no |
| 23:28.02 | stew | hmm |
| 23:28.05 | liable | mines actually a fait bit thinner than my r40 |
| 23:28.14 | stew | now i'm questioning whether or not my wife really has a t60 |
| 23:28.17 | amphi | liable: thought not; I played with an x60, seemed a nice little machine |
| 23:28.19 | liable | stew: z60 perhaps? |
| 23:28.22 | stew | yeah |
| 23:28.25 | stew | nm me |
| 23:28.25 | amphi | ah |
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| 23:28.53 | pickcoder | smulcahy: I dunno why you'd want to disable it. It's ext2 with a journal on it. |
| 23:28.56 | josh415 | what's a good IRC bouncer to use. ezbounce? bnc? outbound 6667/tcp is blocked from work. |
| 23:29.12 | liable | amphi: i reckon i would get one if it had an optical drive |
| 23:29.26 | idnt | exit |
| 23:29.53 | amphi | liable: I hardly use my optical drive, so that wouldn't be so much of an issue |
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| 23:30.08 | smulcahy | pickcoder: the fsck can take over 30 minutes on server boot, its expensive (timewise). I assumed journalled fs is more resilient to the kinda errors that fsck nobbles. |
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| 23:30.25 | liable | amphi: me either, but still silly not to have one |
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| 23:30.38 | Running_Aim | is there a way to boot from the cd when trying to install without it trying to load the firewire? |
| 23:30.46 | Running_Aim | cause whenever it does it just sticks |
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| 23:30.58 | amphi | liable: an unusual serial bus one would do me well enough, I guess |
| 23:30.59 | elein | i am still recovering from a botched upgrade. Now, startx won't. It complains that AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI compatible and it cannot recognize the mouse port. Suggestions anyone? |
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| 23:31.33 | liable | elein: the aiglx error shouldnt be fatal, but the mouse will be |
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| 23:31.44 | liable | fix your mouse in the config |
| 23:31.48 | elein | liable, yup |
| 23:32.21 | elein | how? I've tried /dev/input/mice, mouse0-3 -- none of them are recognized |
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| 23:32.27 | Running_Aim | anyone? |
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| 23:32.43 | stew | Running_Aim: you can do an expert install, or you could hit alt-f2 to get to a shell and see if you can blacklist the module giving you problems |
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| 23:32.47 | smulcahy | hhmm, maybe start in expert mode and ensure it doesn't load firewire module? |
| 23:32.53 | smulcahy | thats a wild guess though |
| 23:33.09 | Running_Aim | stew: yeah but i dont know how to do that |
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| 23:33.34 | liable | elein: what kind of mouse? |
| 23:33.42 | magyar | $u9 d00d3z? |
| 23:33.46 | stew | Running_Aim: hit f1 at the boot: prompt for options that include the 'expert' option. for blacklisting: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 23:33.55 | stew | magyar: english only in here |
| 23:33.58 | magyar | ehehe |
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| 23:34.03 | smulcahy | hehehe |
| 23:34.10 | magyar | stew, practising my lit |
| 23:34.16 | magyar | practicing |
| 23:34.24 | elein | liable, ordinary two button with scroll. usb plugged into ps2 adapter. |
| 23:34.24 | magyar | cant spell shit |
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| 23:34.50 | magyar | leet i mean |
| 23:34.51 | stew | /join #debian-l3 |
| 23:34.56 | Nico_ | hi all, i have a problem on a debian dedicated server with the locales , i m getting "Filehandle STDIN reopened as STDOUT only for output at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.2/Debconf/FrontEnd/Dialog.pm line 139, <ERRFH> line 1." when running dpkg-reconfigure locales can anyone help? |
| 23:34.57 | liable | elein: cat /dev/input/mice (then move it) |
| 23:35.08 | Running_Aim | stew: ok thanx i will try |
| 23:35.09 | magyar | stew: no way |
| 23:35.17 | magyar | is there a channel ? |
| 23:35.19 | liable | !aolify magyar |
| 23:35.19 | stew | it would be amusing |
| 23:35.21 | liable | :P |
| 23:35.25 | amphi | heh |
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| 23:35.55 | mnguyen | i know we're not supposed to ask too many questions about etch |
| 23:36.02 | magyar | stew: would be fun, no doubt |
| 23:36.03 | mnguyen | but how difficult will it be to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 23:36.19 | mnguyen | cause i want to setup a small server... but i don't know whether to wait for etch or not |
| 23:36.31 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 23:36.32 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 23:36.32 | smulcahy | is it for production use? |
| 23:36.33 | magyar | liable: you wana take it outside? |
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| 23:37.00 | rahul | in irc, is taking it outside just taking it to msg? |
| 23:37.03 | valdyn | mnguyen: see also http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 23:37.13 | stew | taking it to the /disco |
| 23:37.19 | rahul | heh |
| 23:37.20 | magyar | yeah baby |
| 23:37.54 | mnguyen | smulcahy: yah the server will be for production use |
| 23:38.01 | stew | mnguyen: etch is likely to be stable enough for production, but you should subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce ; testing is not guaranteed to get timely security fixes if problems come up between now and hte release |
| 23:38.01 | elein | liable, cat /dev/input/mice returns a no such device message. |
| 23:38.04 | mnguyen | smulcahy: actually nevermind... mostly development |
| 23:38.21 | smulcahy | go with etch then i'd say |
| 23:38.32 | smulcahy | it's pretty solid as it stands |
| 23:38.35 | mnguyen | hmm okay |
| 23:38.38 | mnguyen | and if i do upgrades |
| 23:38.40 | mnguyen | ill be okay? |
| 23:38.45 | mnguyen | i won't have to download the stable copy again right? |
| 23:38.46 | smulcahy | should be |
| 23:38.55 | liable | elein: is your mouse module loaded? |
| 23:38.56 | smulcahy | i wouldn't put it on a firewall just yet |
| 23:39.02 | smulcahy | but esp. inside a network you should be fine |
| 23:39.08 | rahul | mnguyen: you only ever have to download the packages you want to install |
| 23:39.12 | elein | liable, how would I know that? |
| 23:39.18 | stew | mnguyen: no, not necessarily, if there is a security problem it might mean getting packages from usntable or patching by hand to keep your server secure |
| 23:39.47 | liable | elein: lsmod, modprobe mousedev (i think its mousedev) |
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| 23:39.59 | StarWars | hi |
| 23:40.01 | StarWars | checking whether gcc works or not ... no |
| 23:40.02 | magyar | any feedback on running bgp and ospf on new linux kernels? |
| 23:40.11 | rahul | StarWars: what are you trying to compile? |
| 23:40.14 | xand | StarWars: what? |
| 23:40.19 | magyar | or should i invest in cisco? |
| 23:40.20 | stew | !b-e StarWars |
| 23:40.20 | dpkg | StarWars: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 23:40.24 | StarWars | i have gcc but the scrip i try configure says my gcc no Work |
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| 23:40.32 | mnguyen | okay thanks you guys. i think ill give etch a try |
| 23:40.36 | rahul | StarWars: what are you trying to compile? |
| 23:40.54 | smulcahy | best of luck with it |
| 23:41.09 | smulcahy | StarWars: and what version of gcc does it say it needs? |
| 23:41.16 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.18 | StarWars | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.23 | StarWars | Depends: g++ (>= 3:3.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 23:41.25 | stew | StarWars: you can't mix stable with testing |
| 23:41.44 | StarWars | aha :) |
| 23:41.44 | stew | StarWars: put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libc6-dev" into a pastebin |
| 23:42.01 | elein | liable, lsmod shows psmouse and modprobe mousedev says mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 23:42.01 | StarWars | stew ok. wait ..i will |
| 23:42.27 | liable | elein: still no /dev/input/mice? |
| 23:42.29 | karsten | Any audio players handle vbk (voicemail system files) formats? |
| 23:42.32 | stew | elein: add mousedev to /etc/modules ; try starting x again |
| 23:43.40 | elein | it already has psmouse. should I add it anyway |
| 23:43.44 | pickcoder | karsten: which voice mail system is it |
| 23:43.54 | pickcoder | I'm sure each system has a proprietary format |
| 23:43.58 | StarWars | stew http://www.pastebin.ca/368298 gcc |
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| 23:44.46 | rahul | uh |
| 23:44.51 | rahul | StarWars: where'd you get 2.3.6.ds1-11? |
| 23:44.57 | pickcoder | ah.. Nortel |
| 23:45.01 | pickcoder | I doubt anything will play it |
| 23:45.05 | StarWars | i am not shure |
| 23:45.24 | rahul | 2.3.6.ds1-11(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 23:45.28 | rahul | that's from unstable. |
| 23:45.37 | StarWars | my wifw she install somthing ;p |
| 23:45.44 | elein | oh my goddess, x started. but I didn't change anything. OK, I go on from here. Thank you all. |
| 23:45.46 | stew | StarWars: so you are running unstable now. you either need to finish upgrading to unstable, or you need to reinstall stable |
| 23:45.46 | rahul | you're in for some fun here. |
| 23:45.48 | StarWars | wife* |
| 23:46.23 | StarWars | ok i will remember theat :) |
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| 23:46.37 | StarWars | is a VPS they install what they whant :) |
| 23:46.52 | rahul | "they" are always doing things. |
| 23:46.53 | StarWars | or theat depend what i add in etc/apt/source.list ? |
| 23:46.56 | Mika-chan | I am trying to install etch on a laptop using a netinst CD image. The image doesn't load a driver for the network card. I have the 2 floppies with the drivers, but the installer doesn't see the USB mounted floppy. Any suggestions on getting the .udeb file loaded from one of the other consoles? |
| 23:47.26 | Edwin_Quijada | hi! I cant install etch4 into Sata disk it start boot but I get |
| 23:47.36 | Edwin_Quijada | No adittional sense information |
| 23:47.40 | StarWars | my kernel say 2.6.9-022stab078.14-smp |
| 23:47.48 | pickcoder | Mika-chan: skip the network install and just configure the base system |
| 23:48.00 | liable | StarWars: did you compile that kernel? |
| 23:48.02 | pickcoder | then you can boot it, update your drivers and finish the net install |
| 23:48.12 | StarWars | rahul then what i will add in my source.list from /etc/apt ? |
| 23:48.21 | StarWars | liable No. |
| 23:48.28 | rahul | StarWars: hrm |
| 23:48.31 | Mika-chan | pickcoder, the netinstall CD is only 180 MB. Will that have all of the files for a full install? |
| 23:48.36 | pickcoder | Mika-chan: did you get a daily build from today? |
| 23:48.46 | rahul | 022stab078.14? WHAT? |
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| 23:48.48 | pickcoder | Mika-chan: the netinstall is not a full install |
| 23:49.03 | Mika-chan | pickcoder, the net install image was from Tuesday. |
| 23:49.07 | rahul | the net install is as full of an install as you want |
| 23:49.09 | liable | it will have everything for base |
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| 23:49.48 | Mika-chan | The last 1% of the iso took forever to finish, I wonder if it was corrupt. |
| 23:49.49 | pickcoder | Mika-chan: if you can boot from the floppy, then it should be recognized by the installer.. try booting using "expert" mode |
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| 23:50.48 | olsen | hi, im on debian-unstable, and i want to install xorg but i get some thing like: |
| 23:50.51 | Mika-chan | pickcoder, I can try that. It just seems odd that the installer can't see the USB floppy as a floppy. I even tried symbolically linking it. |
| 23:50.56 | rahul | !unstable |
| 23:50.56 | dpkg | somebody said unstable was the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 23:51.02 | olsen | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 23:51.04 | olsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.04 | olsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.05 | olsen | E: Broken packages |
| 23:51.16 | rahul | olsen: that's what happens in unstable. |
| 23:51.26 | StarWars | so at this moment no cheance for me to run gcc ? corectly ? |
| 23:51.35 | olsen | rahul: any way to fix that? |
| 23:51.49 | stew | StarWars: finish upgrading to testing/unstable |
| 23:51.56 | Mika-chan | Thanks for the help all. |
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| 23:52.06 | rahul | olsen: don't use unstable. |
| 23:52.16 | stew | olsen: use the aptitude frontend to help you sort out the dependencies |
| 23:53.37 | rahul | oh libc -11 is in testing now |
| 23:53.48 | rahul | he should be able to upgrade to testing and not be in much trouble |
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| 23:54.38 | StarWars | ok so i go beack to etc/apt/sources.list and i put out stable/ and add testing http://www.pastebin.ca/368316 |
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| 23:54.53 | olsen | why aptitude install xorg says it will install, and apt-get install xorg says it wont? |
| 23:55.04 | stew | olsen: becuase aptitude is smarter |
| 23:55.20 | smulcahy | is dpkg --purge $(deborphan) dangerous? |
| 23:55.25 | Edwin_Quijada | No sense adtional information |
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| 23:55.32 | Edwin_Quijada | what the hell it is |
| 23:55.38 | olsen | stew: any other reason? |
| 23:55.49 | Edwin_Quijada | I get this tryiing to boot my debian in sata disk |
| 23:55.59 | rahul | StarWars: yes. then read the etch release notes and use aptitude's UI to upgrade |
| 23:56.06 | StarWars | hen apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; |
| 23:56.10 | StarWars | t* |
| 23:56.22 | rahul | no, use aptitude |
| 23:56.42 | StarWars | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 23:56.48 | smulcahy | apt-cache search returns more results than aptitude search thogh |
| 23:56.58 | smulcahy | one place i've found the old tools to be better |
| 23:57.09 | StarWars | to i need ; laike aptitude update && aptitude upgrade ? |
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| 23:57.18 | stew | olsen: no |
| 23:57.19 | rahul | use the aptitude ui |
| 23:57.30 | sid | With the TCP RFC, the mms size must appear only in a TCP packet with which flag set? |
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| 23:58.03 | olsen | stew: weird, they should make apt-get smarter too |
| 23:58.09 | smulcahy | hehehe |
| 23:58.13 | smulcahy | they did |
| 23:58.16 | smulcahy | its called aptitude |
| 23:58.33 | rahul | heh |
| 23:58.52 | olsen | apt-get i mean, not aptitude, or aptitude uses apt-get? |
| 23:58.59 | StarWars | just make debian work on php 5.2.1 |
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| 23:59.08 | StarWars | :) |
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| 23:59.41 | krazykit | aptitude is apt-get on steroids, olsen |
| 23:59.43 | stoned | hey |
| 23:59.44 | karsten | pickcoder: Call Pilot, Nortel. |
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