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| 00:00.19 | deepwoodmenace | Supaplex: no |
| 00:00.34 | robin_sz | lunaphyte, remove the entry from your crontab? |
| 00:00.40 | Supaplex | deepwoodmenace: grep -rl routes /etc/ finds a few hits, but not network/routes. There's no man page here for it. anything from man 5 routes? |
| 00:01.06 | robin_sz | lunaphyte, or /etc/init.d/cron stop .... |
| 00:01.13 | elshaa_ | Isn't it a file other than /var/log/aptitude (which is empty in my case) where their is a track of installed packages ? |
| 00:01.16 | deepwoodmenace | Supaplex: nadda. |
| 00:01.22 | robin_sz | lunaphyte, but that stops ALL cron activity ... eg logrotates |
| 00:01.37 | deepwoodmenace | Supaplex: i grepped /etc for any mention of it, nothing at all :-| |
| 00:01.45 | Supaplex | deepwoodmenace: paste bin the file. I don't have a copy, and I beg to differ if it should do anything at all. |
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| 00:03.10 | deepwoodmenace | Supaplex: it's basically a shell script with routes added via /bin/ip route. {i should give a little background}. i'm inheriting administration of this machine and i'm trying to figure out how it's adding those routes (they are legit). |
| 00:03.16 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: ignore it it's deprecated |
| 00:03.28 | enouf | oh .. |
| 00:03.38 | deepwoodmenace | enouf: do you know where it used to be called from? this machine hasn't been updated in AWHILE. |
| 00:03.58 | deepwoodmenace | i'm banging my head against the wall trying to find it :-| |
| 00:04.08 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: must be from woody .. only know of it from constant dmsg warnings at boot when I used sarge |
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| 00:05.19 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: grep -ir route /etc/init.d and also try /etc/rc?.d and also just /etc/ if nothing |
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| 00:06.08 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: oh .. it's not nevessarily a startup script? |
| 00:06.11 | enouf | my bad |
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| 00:06.52 | deepwoodmenace | i did grep -ri '/etc/network/routes' on /etc |
| 00:06.57 | deepwoodmenace | nadda |
| 00:07.13 | deepwoodmenace | i really don't want to do / unless i really have to |
| 00:07.41 | enouf | try what I wrote instead .. then also look in /var/run maybe as well |
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| 00:09.19 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 00:09.19 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 00:09.52 | deepwoodmenace | enouf: nothing exciting in /etc. i'll look at /var/run/. |
| 00:10.02 | deepwoodmenace | abrotman: that's not helpful :-). |
| 00:10.30 | deepwoodmenace | nothing for route in /var/run. |
| 00:10.36 | deepwoodmenace | i think i may have to do / :-| |
| 00:10.40 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: other possibilities include obtaining it over a network, and even maybe a file.rc startup instead of init.d |
| 00:11.01 | Supaplex | deepwoodmenace: check syslog after you stick something like set -x;echo PPID is $PPID `ps $PPID` | logger -t routes in the script |
| 00:11.17 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: how about dmesg logs .. grep the logs as well /var/log/* |
| 00:13.15 | jelly-home | deepwoodmenace: stupid question: are those custom routes active at all? |
| 00:13.20 | deepwoodmenace | nothing in logs. /var is so far just matching stuff from the apt caches. |
| 00:13.23 | deepwoodmenace | jelly-home: yeah. |
| 00:13.48 | jelly-home | hrm |
| 00:13.50 | deepwoodmenace | these routes are legit, i just want to find how they're being added :-). |
| 00:14.29 | jelly-home | deepwoodmenace: any funny up lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:14.36 | hq4ever | someone tip me please on how to resize xterm window with the keyboard please. |
| 00:14.47 | Supaplex | buy a mouse? |
| 00:14.55 | deepwoodmenace | hq4ever: use wmctrl :) |
| 00:15.00 | hq4ever | server... |
| 00:15.06 | hq4ever | what is wmctrl ? |
| 00:15.15 | deepwoodmenace | controls windows |
| 00:15.16 | abrotman | why is your server running X ? |
| 00:15.43 | hq4ever | tmp server, having fun. |
| 00:16.01 | deepwoodmenace | jelly-home: just the ususal stuff. auto, iface, address, network, netmask, broadcast... |
| 00:16.04 | Supaplex | !strangle hq4ever with a mouse |
| 00:16.06 | hq4ever | anyway, I've seen people do this a million times so there must be an easy way to do it |
| 00:16.07 | enouf | man xterm? --geometry? |
| 00:16.21 | deepwoodmenace | i think he wants to do an existing window |
| 00:16.26 | deepwoodmenace | what wm is running? |
| 00:16.33 | Supaplex | I'm having fun to. :p |
| 00:16.33 | hq4ever | yes "he" does |
| 00:16.50 | hq4ever | it's gnome, actually a livecd |
| 00:17.15 | enouf | full blown DE .. whole hog |
| 00:17.19 | deepwoodmenace | i'm pretty sure metacity (gnome's wm), doesn't have keyboard control for resizing windows |
| 00:17.36 | jelly-home | /usr/bin/resize |
| 00:18.04 | jelly-home | eg. resize -s 25 80 works on my rxvt-unicode |
| 00:18.25 | deepwoodmenace | jelly-home: did you have any other ideas for my mystery route file? or should i start a grep of / :|. |
| 00:18.38 | hq4ever | jelly-home> |
| 00:19.01 | kiba | hello |
| 00:19.06 | hq4ever | jelly-home: this will resize the COL in the terminal - I'm asking on resizing the windows itself |
| 00:19.09 | kiba | how do you install a local debian package? |
| 00:19.27 | Supaplex | with dpkg |
| 00:19.32 | Supaplex | eg, dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 00:20.01 | jelly-home | hq4ever: have... you... tried... it? |
| 00:20.05 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: there might be some old timers lurking on irc.debian.org #debian that can help |
| 00:20.40 | enouf | !fish |
| 00:20.41 | dpkg | methinks fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 00:20.55 | krenin | Hi guys. :) |
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| 00:21.35 | hq4ever | jelly-home: true. that works. and yet I mean a key combination where you can "play" with it, not the command typing way. |
| 00:21.40 | krenin | Give a man a case of beer and he'll be drunk for a day. Give him a distillery and he'll become a drunkard. |
| 00:21.42 | krenin | :D |
| 00:22.39 | abrotman | maybe half a day |
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| 00:22.52 | krenin | hehe. |
| 00:22.57 | jelly-home | hq4ever: binding an execution of a program to a key sequence is left as an exercise for the reader :-> |
| 00:23.28 | enouf | man xset |
| 00:23.29 | hq4ever | kind of what alt + (+|-) does |
| 00:23.35 | jelly-home | abrotman: then the case is too small |
| 00:23.50 | abrotman | s/case/truck/ |
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| 00:24.36 | robin_sz | give a man a match ... |
| 00:24.42 | hq4ever | s/alt/shift/ |
| 00:24.48 | Mark_Iron | re abrotman ;-) ... I'm just looking for a preseeding boot option for ethc for the keymap .. analog to local=en_US ... any idea what is the alias or name and tha value? - thank you in advance ;-) |
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| 00:25.02 | Mark_Iron | etch |
| 00:25.37 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: nerp |
| 00:25.43 | abrotman | pseubodot: do you know?! |
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| 00:26.50 | Mark_Iron | nerp? ... what daes it mean? @ abrotman |
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| 00:27.51 | muszek | hi. I'd like to install eaccelerator on my server (sarge with php 5.2 from backports), but I'm scared as heck to install it from source (it's a production server and I can't mess anything up). What would you suggest? Is there some repository which provides eaccelerator packages (preferably synced with php from backports.org)? |
| 00:28.31 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:28.35 | abrotman | muszek: not you |
| 00:28.46 | Mark_Iron | tnx abrotman ;-) |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | muszek: then don't mess with it ? :) |
| 00:29.18 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: the manual doesn't have anyhting ? |
| 00:29.52 | Mark_Iron | the question which one manual abrotman ... probable the one of d-i ... |
| 00:29.59 | muszek | abrotman, I said I don't want to install from source and asked if there are any packages that are already made |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:30.08 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 00:30.15 | Mark_Iron | probably ... |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | muszek: maybe apt-get.org |
| 00:30.28 | enouf | hq4ever: well man xset was kinda a bad mention for what you want, but atleast xwininfo will give you stats? |
| 00:30.30 | muszek | abrotman, thanks, I'll check |
| 00:31.21 | jelly-home | muszek: we have one built for php4/sarge |
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| 00:32.12 | jelly-home | muszek: also, ubuntu has eaccelerator so you can probably steal their package scripts if you decide to build it yourself |
| 00:32.21 | muszek | jelly-home, I'm using php 5.2 from backports.org |
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| 00:34.07 | deadbeef | sun:~# uname -a |
| 00:34.07 | deadbeef | Linux sun 2.4.27-3-sparc64 #1 Thu Sep 14 07:31:38 UTC 2006 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:34.09 | deadbeef | here we go |
| 00:34.15 | muszek | jelly-home, no, ubuntu doesn't have it (I'm using it as a desktop / dev box) |
| 00:34.29 | hq4ever | enouf: thank you for the help, xwininfo will only display information. It's a useful tools good to know of but it doesn't help me this time |
| 00:34.49 | Mark_Iron | GREAT deadbeef !!! |
| 00:35.19 | Mark_Iron | deadbeef: which kind of cpu / system ? |
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| 00:36.05 | deadbeef | Mark_Iron: an ultra-5 |
| 00:36.06 | muszek | anyways, why debian doesn't have any php cacheing stuff in their repos, apart from Turck MMCache, which is long-dead? |
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| 00:36.31 | muszek | is there some good reason for that? like them not being stable enough |
| 00:36.46 | jelly-home | muszek: eaccelerator's license is unclear |
| 00:37.23 | Mark_Iron | nice deadbeef ! ... I have here Ultra 10 ... but wiht ony 192MB RAM .. would it be enough to run Debian on this system? |
| 00:37.36 | xtknight | why is X corrupting its gamma tables after the screensaver exits? i get mangled colors (but not gamma=1.00) after the screensaver exits |
| 00:37.36 | deadbeef | sure |
| 00:37.43 | jelly-home | muszek: as such, it's not known if it is free software or not. Zend Optimizer is NOT free software as far as I know. |
| 00:37.55 | Mark_Iron | how big is your memory deadbeef ? |
| 00:37.58 | NextTrack | Mark_Iron: it'll be no problem |
| 00:38.24 | loca|host | hello all |
| 00:38.25 | Mark_Iron | thank you NextTrack :-) ... * really good news * |
| 00:38.35 | deadbeef | i've only 125 |
| 00:39.03 | muszek | jelly-home, what about APC? |
| 00:39.17 | jelly-home | muszek: I don't know, is it any good? |
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| 00:39.27 | loca|host | i've added a second NIC interface to my DELL Optiplex server, and now eth0 is set on the new inserted NIC, and i have conflicts with the first NIC that has worked before adding a new interface : http://pastebin.ca/339342 |
| 00:40.09 | dondelelcaro | loca|host: if you're using udev, that shouldn't happen. If you're not, use nameif to rename the interfaces appropriately. |
| 00:40.11 | Gnea | loca|host: which optiplex? |
| 00:40.11 | muszek | jelly-home, I've read few reviews and it seems they're comparable (as in "very close in terms of performance gains") |
| 00:40.16 | Anton_Home | can anyone tell me where the "allowed" screen resolutions are stored so I can add one? |
| 00:40.28 | Mark_Iron | may I take a standard IDE hard disk drive and put it in ultra-10 ? @ deadbeef / NextTrack .. (the old one inside has only 20GB or so ... ) |
| 00:40.47 | deadbeef | i don't think so |
| 00:40.53 | deadbeef | ultra-10 uses scsi afaik |
| 00:40.55 | loca|host | Gnea, optiplex 320 |
| 00:41.04 | jelly-home | Mark_Iron: I think the controller only supports driver <= 32GB (or so) |
| 00:41.20 | Mark_Iron | no deadbeef ... ultra uses IDE drives |
| 00:41.24 | muszek | jelly-home, I've read in few places that it's gonna be built-in in php 6 |
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| 00:41.49 | loca|host | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.ca/339345 |
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| 00:41.56 | NextTrack | yea...ultra 10 uses ide |
| 00:41.57 | Mark_Iron | thank you jelly-home ... I can test with the old drive .. however 20 GB is NOT TOO much ;-/ |
| 00:42.04 | h3sp4wn | Mark_Iron: Running linux as a secondary drive I think may be able to use bigger (or at least I read somewhere that it was possible on an ultra5) |
| 00:42.08 | jelly-home | muszek: well, I have no idea. Are you volunteering to package it? :-) |
| 00:42.22 | Gnea | loca|host: mini-tower or desktop model? |
| 00:42.40 | loca|host | Gnea, mini-tower |
| 00:42.53 | jelly-home | Mark_Iron: I have a 30GB drive in an U5, but have heard that eg. 80GB drives didn't work. |
| 00:43.03 | Mark_Iron | fine h3sp4wn .. I will test it :) .. would it be possible to have solaris10 and debian on ONE hdd ? |
| 00:43.14 | muszek | jelly-home: hmmm... I always thought it would be cool to help the community... is there a lot of "magic" involved in creating packages? I'm just a regular user and haven't ever done it. |
| 00:43.24 | NextTrack | Mark_Iron: it says on Sun's site that the rig only supports 2x20.1 hdd |
| 00:43.38 | NextTrack | 20.4* |
| 00:43.46 | Mark_Iron | jelly-home: that I have has 60GB .. probably to big one |
| 00:43.47 | loca|host | any idea ? |
| 00:43.57 | NextTrack | 20.4 gig |
| 00:43.59 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 00:44.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:44.06 | NextTrack | sorry...was really vague on that number :P |
| 00:44.09 | Mark_Iron | NextTrack: It ist pitty ;-( |
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| 00:45.37 | loca|host | Gnea, ? |
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| 00:46.40 | Gnea | loca|host: you can use ifrename to switch them (even name them something else if you want) |
| 00:46.50 | Gnea | loca|host: or switch the wires around |
| 00:47.03 | Supaplex | or udev |
| 00:47.11 | jelly-home | muszek: I'm a user too, but have been creating packages for a local distro. It's not too hard. /msg dpkg nmg |
| 00:47.49 | muszek | jelly-home, thanks, I'll take a look |
| 00:48.03 | loca|host | Gnea, i got around nameif |
| 00:48.05 | Gnea | Supaplex: on a dell system, ifrename would be better, particularly in the event of data restore |
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| 00:48.15 | loca|host | Gnea, but why should i do it manually ? |
| 00:48.49 | Gnea | loca|host: if you need to switch out the nic for another at some point, it's easier to edit /etc/iftab than to go through udev renaming |
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| 00:50.30 | h3sp4wn | loca|host: if using etch just edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 00:50.31 | loca|host | Gnea, i have no /etc/iftab file nore man /etc/iftab |
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| 00:51.05 | Gnea | loca|host: you'd have to create it manually after installing ifrename |
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| 00:52.00 | Gnea | h3sp4wn: i tried doing that and it wouldn't take. it might work... but ifrename is much more reliable. |
| 00:52.14 | Gnea | no matter what, it would try to splice 2 mac addresses onto eth0 |
| 00:52.19 | h3sp4wn | Gnea: I have done that and every time it has wrked fine |
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| 00:52.46 | Gnea | h3sp4wn: could be a limitation of sarge/backport version |
| 00:52.49 | h3sp4wn | Gnea: after udev 103 or something when the bug was fixed |
| 00:53.19 | h3sp4wn | Gnea: prior to that I had to change ATTRS to SYSFS |
| 00:53.24 | Gnea | ifrename works and it's solid, i'm standing by that. |
| 00:53.36 | loca|host | Gnea, it was good with /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 00:53.40 | loca|host | thanks to all |
| 00:53.45 | Gnea | loca|host: cool |
| 00:56.21 | Gnea | h3sp4wn: the only thing that i've found annoying with it is that iptraf doesn't work with the renaming of interface nodes |
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| 00:57.26 | stoned | Posted a reply: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409472 <-- if anyone has any info I'd be greatful |
| 00:57.48 | stoned | lets wait and see from the maint |
| 00:59.14 | stoned | I can't see this being a KDE specific thing.. gnome apps don't see the font either |
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| 01:03.22 | stoned | and whiel sid on laptop can use the font, sid on desktop can't |
| 01:03.26 | h3sp4wn | Gnea: I have used if rename but only before I used udev |
| 01:03.27 | stoned | almost same configuration |
| 01:03.37 | stoned | save versins of packages.. all updated today |
| 01:03.41 | stoned | same* |
| 01:04.13 | Gnea | h3sp4wn: i went the udev route first and fell back on ifrename... seemed the good way to go |
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| 01:04.34 | stoned | Gnea: whats up |
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| 01:05.16 | h3sp4wn | Gnea: Incidently on e17 do you know to make e17 use the gl rendering backend (I know the rasterman uses it but cannot findout how to use it - I can compile it but not get it enabled) |
| 01:07.02 | Gnea | h3sp4wn: it's required by default |
| 01:07.09 | enouf | heh .. I think I just gave myself a keyboard forkbomb .. lol .. accidentally |
| 01:07.16 | Gnea | stoned: nada |
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| 01:08.20 | concept10 | hey stoned |
| 01:08.24 | h3sp4wn | Gnea: enlightenment_remote -default-engine-set GL would make sense but I always get GL engine is disabled as default engine. (most stuff is in software still) |
| 01:09.13 | Gnea | h3sp4wn: i've never used enlightenment_remote |
| 01:09.28 | loca|host | any one can suggest me a good iptable GUI based firewall ? am trying to reconfigure my network on iptables but i think that it would be simpler to get a simple GUI for it |
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| 01:09.46 | concept10 | I want to update a packages version thats in unstable. Would I make an entire new package or rebuild the existing one and file ITP for that one? |
| 01:09.58 | Gnea | loca|host: i've heard shorewall is good |
| 01:10.16 | haggz | loca|host: I like Firestarter for easy GUI firewalling and simple modifications of the chains |
| 01:10.20 | loca|host | Gnea, yes am reading that doc |
| 01:10.24 | gravity | concept10: Depends on the package. Definitely don't ITP if it's already in the archive. |
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| 01:10.29 | Veroi22 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com .. |
| 01:10.31 | Veroi22 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com |
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| 01:10.42 | loca|host | haggz, Firestarter seems to be a desktop firewall ... not a web based one |
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| 01:10.48 | Gnea | !ops 18:12 -!- Veroi22 [n=Veroi22@88.232.77.225] has joined #debian 18:12 < Veroi22> EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com .. <--- spammer |
| 01:10.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: gnea complains about: 18:12 -!- Veroi22 [n=Veroi22@88.232.77.225] has joined #debian 18:12 < Veroi22> EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com .. <--- spammer |
| 01:11.13 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: please don't repeat the spam in the ops message, esp. after they've already left. |
| 01:11.30 | gravity | concept10: Getting it in to the actual debian archive (which it sounds like you're going to be doing) requires that you're either a DD or have a sponsor |
| 01:11.31 | haggz | loca|host: so you need to configure remotely? |
| 01:11.40 | loca|host | yes |
| 01:11.51 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: yeah and i've had ops yell at me before for not doing it. |
| 01:11.53 | concept10 | gravity, its already in the archive, I just want to update it |
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| 01:12.05 | gravity | concept10: The same thing applies. You can't just make an upload yourself. |
| 01:12.05 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: so get your crew in line, then tell me. otherwise, it's documented. |
| 01:12.05 | loca|host | haggz, in mos of cases, firewall servers has no desktop installed |
| 01:12.23 | concept10 | gravity, I was wondering if it was polite to email the individual package maintainer with my intentions |
| 01:12.28 | gravity | concept10: Yes |
| 01:12.44 | gravity | concept10: You can supply a patch or updated package source for them if you like |
| 01:12.47 | MackAck | how do I tell udev/hotplug to change the binding of a pccard ? |
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| 01:13.22 | stoned | dondelelcaro: could you possibly help me troubleshoot a font problem? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409472 is what I filed. It was suggested that is related to KDE/Qt. However my gnome apps can't see this font either. I have KDE/sid on another machine and it can see/use the font, per the screenshot. Pleae advise if you can. |
| 01:13.41 | concept10 | gravity, attach a tar.gz or inform him of the change? |
| 01:14.29 | gravity | concept10: Well, like I said, you can't update the package yourself in the archive without a sponsor. If you want it updated or if you have a sponsor, you need to inform the maintainer |
| 01:14.52 | gravity | concept10: If you are going to NMU the package, then you need to supply a patch for your upload. But NMU's for new upstream versions are generally frowned upon |
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| 01:15.39 | gravity | concept10: Check the debian developer's reference for more information on the proper protocol for NMU's |
| 01:16.02 | haggz | loca|host: how often do you need the firewall config to change? you could set up iptables with a GUI firewaller on a different machine, then just transfer the rule chains over once they are built, if a static configuration works for you. |
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| 01:16.47 | concept10 | gravity, NMU? I have the New maintainers guide open and I dont see any mention of that. What's NMU? |
| 01:16.48 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: we want to know the reason, but there's no point in duplicating it. If someone tells you otherwise, let me know. |
| 01:16.55 | gravity | concept10: Non Maintainer Upload |
| 01:17.00 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: roger that. |
| 01:17.07 | concept10 | gravity, okay, thanks for the wisdom |
| 01:17.13 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: it's for your benifit as well, because auto-klines have been put in place based on content before. |
| 01:17.44 | loca|host | haggz, that's what am doing now :) |
| 01:18.26 | concept10 | gravity, one more thing, when is freeze happening for including new (or updated) packages for etch? |
| 01:18.34 | gravity | concept10: It's already in place |
| 01:18.47 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: funny, considering that i haven't been around much lately to report such nonsense much :) thanks |
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| 01:19.30 | k-man | i want to move my /var/log onto a different physical partition, is there any recommenced procedure for doing that? ie, shut down all services prior to making the switch? |
| 01:19.43 | dondelelcaro | stoned: hrm; yeah, I'm not that knowledgeable with the different font issues, unfortunatly. |
| 01:19.45 | Onur | hi. My friend try to install etch. He's get this error message: http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7485/isopa8.png . He tried root=/dev/sdb1 etc. Its'nt worked. Do you any idea? |
| 01:19.48 | concept10 | gravity, oh well, I really just want it to atleast get into unstable anyway |
| 01:19.50 | Gnea | k-man: boot into single-user mode and do it |
| 01:19.51 | dondelelcaro | stoned: so I can't really help you much |
| 01:20.02 | k-man | Gnea, ok, thanks |
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| 01:20.19 | gravity | concept10: Ok, good luck |
| 01:20.24 | k-man | Gnea, should that partition be mounted asap after /? |
| 01:21.15 | Gnea | k-man: yeah |
| 01:21.35 | k-man | Gnea, thought so, thanks. |
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| 01:22.58 | stoned | dondelelcaro: I was hoping anyway :) Thanks. |
| 01:23.26 | Gnea | yes! finally fixed my mail config |
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| 01:24.28 | haggz | loca|host: is there a .deb package of webmin? I believe it has an iptables control module available. |
| 01:25.04 | loca|host | haggz, wont use webmin |
| 01:25.14 | Gnea | hehe |
| 01:25.18 | Gnea | !beer loca|host |
| 01:25.19 | loca|host | haggz, i think it can be a good security hole |
| 01:25.27 | loca|host | :) |
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| 01:26.26 | haggz | loca|host: ive never used webmin either, just trying to figure out more ideas. why not just use SSH |
| 01:27.11 | loca|host | haggz, i need a simple firewall configurator, what do ssh do there ? :) |
| 01:27.27 | stoned | well |
| 01:27.37 | stoned | I guess I could kinda sorts live without DejaVu |
| 01:28.27 | concept10 | someone tell me, what is the best way to view the various docs is /usr/share/doc ? I hate digging around for this stuff |
| 01:29.32 | haggz | loca|host: O:-) trying to achieve simplicity and security at the same time is always a struggle. I only admin a 3 machine network I have physical access to so I'm not speaking from experience in terms of remote management. Sorry. |
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| 01:29.53 | loca|host | haggz, no prob we're all novices ;) |
| 01:31.29 | loca|host | haggz, as a system admin, you should think of working with no desktop at all ... in the way to minimize the number of processes running on the server |
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| 01:31.54 | loca|host | haggz, a server should run only dedicated software |
| 01:32.22 | haggz | loca|host: yeah my actual server runs just apache, mysql, php, and basic OS stuff |
| 01:32.54 | loca|host | taht's good |
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| 01:33.35 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/ss/font.jpg <-- how does this look. I know its not DejaVu Serif Condensed (DANGIT!!) but its the next best that doesnt annoy me. |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | why are you asking us > |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:33.54 | stoned | I am so anal about stuff I can't even use linux without thsi font |
| 01:34.04 | stoned | I want my font ! waaaa |
| 01:34.18 | PumpkinPie | the state keeps trying to ticket me and take my driving rights |
| 01:34.19 | justin | stoned: does it show up in fc-list? |
| 01:34.25 | stoned | abrotman: it doesn't matter why I'm asking |
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| 01:34.33 | abrotman | stoned: you mean you're just whining :) |
| 01:34.35 | haggz | loca|host: im actually working on developing a web application system that uses only minimal LAMP, without any javascript or other client-side utility than basic html rendering, because I think putting stuff client-side is just an invitation to security risks. |
| 01:34.41 | stoned | justin: yes |
| 01:34.44 | Gnea | PumpkinPie: drunkeness will do that |
| 01:34.49 | stoned | abrotman: course I'm whining |
| 01:34.50 | justin | stoned: what does xterm -fa "DejaVu Serif" do? |
| 01:34.53 | stoned | abrotman: I want my goddamn font |
| 01:35.17 | stoned | justin: I need the condensed version |
| 01:35.22 | stoned | regulars are fine and selectable |
| 01:35.30 | stoned | the condensed versions never show up |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | stoned: it's just a font |
| 01:36.10 | stoned | abrotman: dude I don't have pet peeves anymore I have psychotic obsessions |
| 01:36.11 | justin | stoned: xterm -fa "DejaVu Serif Condensed" ? |
| 01:36.15 | stoned | I need that font |
| 01:36.29 | stoned | justin: no dice |
| 01:36.40 | stoned | its still just the regualr serif dejavu |
| 01:37.58 | stoned | I filed a bug, and was told it is KDE's fault, lib Qt 4.0 or something. I then replied to it (package ttf-dejavu) and posted a screenshot of kde on my laptop/sid using the same font |
| 01:38.07 | stoned | so I am not buying that this is kde's fault |
| 01:38.17 | stoned | fonts don't show in gnome apps either |
| 01:38.27 | stoned | or anywhere in X, just the condensed versios that don't show up |
| 01:39.14 | stoned | both sid boxes are using the same versions of the related packages |
| 01:39.21 | stoned | both boxes updated recently |
| 01:39.36 | stoned | one is able to use the font, as in the screenshot, other one can't even see it |
| 01:39.37 | h3sp4wn | stoned: have you messed around with update-fonts-scale |
| 01:39.47 | stoned | I have not messed with anything |
| 01:39.56 | stoned | afaicr |
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| 01:41.05 | h3sp4wn | presumably you have tried some stuff to get it working |
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| 01:41.22 | stoned | everything I know of, and for a night, whatever advice I was given here |
| 01:41.26 | stoned | nothing has worked for me so far |
| 01:41.27 | justin | stoned: FC_DEBUG=1 xterm -fa "DejaVu Serif Condensed" |
| 01:42.19 | haggz | loca|host: have you checked out fwbuilder? |
| 01:42.26 | stoned | justin: what am I looking for? |
| 01:42.43 | loca|host | haggz, shorewall seems good enough |
| 01:42.46 | stoned | justin: you want to see the pastebin of the output? |
| 01:43.11 | justin | stoned: nope, just read it.. it may have a clue |
| 01:43.20 | justin | stoned: it should print out the filename of the font it is using at some point |
| 01:43.52 | stoned | justin: I verified that last night with dpkg -L |
| 01:44.03 | stoned | FontPath is good as well |
| 01:44.18 | raf256 | stoned: hello :) |
| 01:44.21 | raf256 | stoned: can I PM you |
| 01:44.22 | stoned | according to the dubug output, same .ttf file is being used, style is detected, as well as the font family |
| 01:44.43 | justin | stoned: is the font itself wrong? :) |
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| 01:44.58 | stoned | justin: apparantly not |
| 01:44.59 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:45.05 | stoned | justin: I filed a bug and the maint said the package is fine, fault is within kde |
| 01:45.09 | stoned | which is not accurate |
| 01:45.27 | justin | kde and gnome both use fontconfig(FC) afaik |
| 01:45.48 | justin | though if that output did indicate that it was deciding on the right ttf to use, I dunno what the problem would be |
| 01:45.48 | Azar | stoned you filed a bugstone? |
| 01:46.12 | stoned | DejaVu Serif,DejaVu Serif Condensed:style=Condensed,Book |
| 01:46.15 | stoned | fclist shows it |
| 01:46.22 | stoned | I can't figure out what the deal |
| 01:46.42 | Azar | maybe is about the kde version supporting/ornot the fonts? |
| 01:47.04 | stoned | I don't think so Azar as it works on another KDE box |
| 01:47.28 | Azar | same versions of everything on both boxes? |
| 01:47.41 | stoned | afaik yes |
| 01:47.45 | stoned | both sid boxes updated today |
| 01:47.46 | h3sp4wn | stoned: did you try rm -f encodings.dir fonts.alias fonts.dir fonts.scale fonts.cache-1 - and re running mkttfdir |
| 01:47.47 | stoned | last night |
| 01:47.57 | Azar | well, does not hurt to check the versions... who knows |
| 01:48.03 | stoned | h3sp4wn: no I have not |
| 01:48.54 | h3sp4wn | stoned: or running !confmiss on ttf-dejavu |
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| 01:49.13 | stoned | it is only condensed fonts that don't show up |
| 01:49.17 | stoned | rest of dejavu is fine |
| 01:49.23 | stoned | I have checked all files |
| 01:49.30 | stoned | they seem to be ok |
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| 01:52.08 | abrotman | !cookie nvz |
| 01:52.18 | enouf | deepwoodmenace: just to clarify .. it's /etc/network/options that i recall as deprecated (hehe, still seen in dmesgs on sid), not /etc/network/route(s) as you were saying .. ever find the culprit? |
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| 01:52.38 | h3sp4wn | stoned: maybe try the kanotix fix-fonts script (or look at what it does) www.kanotix.com/files/fix-fonts.sh |
| 01:53.10 | Azar | stoned, here is a discussion you might be interested: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/2755 |
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| 01:54.33 | stoned | Azar: that is the opposite of what I am having |
| 01:54.33 | stoned | lol |
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| 01:55.29 | Azar | well try to do what they did to fix, backwards then :) |
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| 01:55.29 | Azar | I guess some replies could give you a sparkle |
| 01:55.41 | stoned | Azar: how do you regenerate the font cache, backwards? |
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| 01:56.07 | stoned | that is ALL they are talking about |
| 01:56.10 | thug | anyone using guarddog ? |
| 01:56.22 | Malf | stoned: Maybe if you do that on your working box it'll break too? |
| 01:56.24 | stoned | and the KDE related bug, which I've refuted because I have this font workin gon KDE in another box |
| 01:56.34 | stoned | Malf: whoah whoah no way |
| 01:56.37 | stoned | not gonna risk it |
| 01:56.40 | Malf | heh |
| 01:56.53 | Malf | missing out on the glory of two broken boxes |
| 01:56.54 | stoned | actually just fc-cache won't break anything |
| 01:56.54 | Malf | such a shame |
| 01:57.18 | stoned | I have a guard dog |
| 01:57.28 | stoned | well not really, I hate animals |
| 01:57.30 | stoned | pets |
| 01:57.36 | Reiser_X | how can i use cups? |
| 01:57.39 | stoned | I think I like cats |
| 01:57.41 | stoned | !cups |
| 01:57.41 | dpkg | cups is, like, a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 01:57.43 | Reiser_X | what command? |
| 01:57.59 | stoned | Reiser_X: /msg dpkg cups setup |
| 01:58.04 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 01:58.09 | Reiser_X | thanks stoned |
| 01:58.13 | stoned | yup |
| 01:58.18 | Reiser_X | how are you stoned? |
| 01:58.40 | stoned | frustrated, but about to remedy that with music and smoke |
| 01:58.41 | stoned | :D |
| 01:58.54 | Reiser_X | hehe |
| 01:59.17 | Reiser_X | stoned: |
| 01:59.21 | Reiser_X | i have a question |
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| 01:59.35 | Reiser_X | i need to intall a mail server |
| 01:59.52 | Reiser_X | but only for use it in two computer without internet |
| 02:00.24 | Reiser_X | i mean, to create a internal mail server, so each user in the internal network can send and receive mails |
| 02:00.30 | Reiser_X | No Internet |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | try exim |
| 02:00.32 | Reiser_X | Local |
| 02:00.40 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:00.41 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 02:00.44 | squisher | Debian has a debconf setup for exim for that |
| 02:00.56 | uberspaced | what would you guys consider a decent thing to learn? Is there some document that recommends stuff to tackle? |
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| 02:01.15 | stoned | !grounding |
| 02:01.16 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:01.16 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 02:01.20 | abrotman | uberspaced: learn about what ? |
| 02:01.33 | abrotman | would you like to be an accountant ? |
| 02:01.35 | stoned | he is asking in #debian, I figure he wants to learn debian |
| 02:01.38 | uberspaced | haha, no |
| 02:01.41 | uberspaced | err, abrotman no |
| 02:01.45 | uberspaced | stoned, debian, maybe |
| 02:01.48 | uberspaced | linux stuff in general |
| 02:01.50 | abrotman | stoned: you never know .. |
| 02:01.57 | stoned | uberspaced: google |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | uberspaced: tldp.org has lots of stuff to read |
| 02:02.05 | chafe | start installing stuff and trying to get stuff to work |
| 02:02.06 | uberspaced | i'm not looking to undetake a massive project, but I would like to learn more useful stuff |
| 02:02.11 | uberspaced | chafe, well, yeah |
| 02:02.13 | chafe | and when you cant get something to work, learn how to make it work |
| 02:02.15 | uberspaced | but that gets old after a while |
| 02:02.24 | chafe | what else would you want to do? |
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| 02:02.34 | chafe | program? i dont know what else there is to do |
| 02:02.37 | uberspaced | There are certain things that teach about how to think about things |
| 02:02.44 | uberspaced | i'm a pretty decent perl programmer already |
| 02:03.01 | chafe | what do you mean by that uberspaced |
| 02:03.08 | chafe | how to think about things |
| 02:03.39 | uberspaced | there are just some things that I think people should know about things when they use linux |
| 02:03.48 | Azar | stoned: DejaVu fonts are intended for use on low-resolution devices << says debian site |
| 02:03.49 | chafe | oh |
| 02:03.52 | uberspaced | and I was wondering what you guys think people should know |
| 02:04.02 | abrotman | uberspaced: go read tldp.org |
| 02:04.03 | chafe | yea i dunno there is a lot to know about it i guess |
| 02:04.04 | uberspaced | and then I could possibly focus my efforts in that direction |
| 02:04.29 | Malf | for me anyway the best way to learn how to work in linux |
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| 02:04.38 | Malf | was really to try to get stuff to work exactly how I wanted |
| 02:04.43 | chafe | yep |
| 02:04.47 | Malf | debugging problems forces you to learn all of the cool things |
| 02:04.50 | chafe | pick a task and then make it work |
| 02:04.53 | Malf | and being able to ask people in here for help |
| 02:04.54 | chafe | yea |
| 02:04.57 | Azar | uberspaced: did you at any time worked in an unix or linux environment, command line interface? |
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| 02:05.04 | stoned | oh my god |
| 02:05.10 | stoned | it feels sOOOOO good to be back on debian |
| 02:05.11 | uberspaced | Azar, yeah. very much so. |
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| 02:05.15 | Azar | stoned: what? you found the bug? |
| 02:05.16 | stoned | unf. I missed it! |
| 02:05.21 | stoned | no |
| 02:05.21 | chafe | i do enjoy the debians |
| 02:05.23 | stoned | I did not |
| 02:05.25 | uberspaced | i'm talking about SVN, databases, programming, administration |
| 02:05.31 | stoned | I been using windows |
| 02:05.34 | Malf | so set up svn via webdav |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | uberspaced: FFS .. go read the docs for those items .. |
| 02:05.41 | Malf | that one is always a good time |
| 02:05.43 | stoned | and I completely forgot the random orgasm inducing powers of Debian |
| 02:05.45 | Azar | uberspaced: then you can't have hard time with Debian |
| 02:05.52 | uberspaced | i already have set thos things up and use them extensively |
| 02:05.57 | uberspaced | i'm looking for the 'next step' |
| 02:06.05 | Azar | uberspaced: like what? |
| 02:06.06 | uberspaced | or at least a decent thing to read about |
| 02:06.18 | Azar | uberspaced: Debian specifics? |
| 02:06.33 | uberspaced | hrm, kindof |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/ |
| 02:06.59 | haggz | uberspaced: if you use synaptic and look in the documentation section, and choose all the general linux and debian documentation, you have about 3 years worth of reading :) the debian administration guide is excellent |
| 02:07.04 | uberspaced | ok. a good example would be if I said "It really pisses me off when people dont know how to ..." |
| 02:07.26 | Azar | uberspaced: this is very Debianish: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:07.39 | Ilovemypuppy | im very disgusted |
| 02:08.26 | concept10 | uberspaced, since you know perl, go learn ruby on rails |
| 02:08.39 | Malf | rofl |
| 02:08.47 | uberspaced | ok, so, i dont know enough about ruby to hate it |
| 02:08.58 | Malf | my friend swears by it |
| 02:08.59 | uberspaced | but I know a shitload about perl |
| 02:09.02 | Malf | I'm a perl man myself |
| 02:09.07 | Azar | hehe perlers allways against cosmetics like ruby |
| 02:09.31 | Azar | C versus C++, perl vs php/ruby |
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| 02:09.50 | debfanman | thats a language war waiting to happen.... |
| 02:09.55 | uberspaced | hehe |
| 02:10.00 | concept10 | uberspaced, if you like perl and want to learn something new, it cant be nothing but a good thing(tm): You will have to learn rails api, ruby, system admin and deployment, its all fun |
| 02:10.07 | netdaemon | is there a way to do network profiles in debian? |
| 02:10.13 | pipeline | err, those language wars are pretty much over. |
| 02:10.18 | Azar | whatever anyone say about C and perl were first, and here to stay |
| 02:10.18 | pipeline | C and C++ do not have overlapping problem domains. |
| 02:10.26 | pipeline | PHP is widely understood to be a poorly designed language. |
| 02:10.35 | uberspaced | pipeline pretty much has it right |
| 02:10.41 | js_ | pipeline: how so? |
| 02:10.47 | uberspaced | ruh roh! |
| 02:10.49 | abrotman | pipeline: good way to start the war asshat |
| 02:10.51 | Azar | quickies and eyecandy eh |
| 02:10.55 | pipeline | oh crap |
| 02:10.57 | uberspaced | haha |
| 02:10.59 | pipeline | I thought I was in ##freebsd |
| 02:11.00 | pipeline | :D |
| 02:11.23 | js_ | pipeline: how is php poorly designed? |
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| 02:11.31 | concept10 | heh |
| 02:11.33 | abrotman | js_: take it to ##php |
| 02:11.33 | uberspaced | I find that the most un answered argument about Perl is that people say 'everything is a hack' |
| 02:11.33 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:11.37 | uberspaced | haha |
| 02:11.38 | uberspaced | yeah |
| 02:11.45 | Azar | ok let's change it to Debian |
| 02:12.08 | concept10 | I mention perl and ruby in one sentence and off to the language races! |
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| 02:12.19 | abrotman | so shut up about it already |
| 02:12.21 | pickcoder | anything that isn't assembly is a hack |
| 02:12.23 | js_ | abrotman: no, haha! |
| 02:12.37 | uberspaced | pickcoder, MIPS 4 evar! |
| 02:12.43 | pipeline | bash is truly king of web languages |
| 02:12.47 | dondelelcaro | languages and which ones suck or do not are wildly OT here. Discuss them in the appropriate language channel. |
| 02:13.19 | uberspaced | sorry aboot that. |
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| 02:14.02 | abrotman | from minnesota ? |
| 02:14.02 | uberspaced | (blame canada, eh) |
| 02:14.03 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: that's like saying discuss ubuntu versus Debian in either #ubuntu or #debian.. <g> |
| 02:14.03 | uberspaced | and the topic wars start |
| 02:14.14 | concept10 | how do I view compressed readme files |
| 02:14.14 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: I don't care where you discuss that question, so long as it's not here. |
| 02:14.21 | dondelelcaro | concept10: zless is the easiest way. |
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| 02:14.38 | uberspaced | gunzip -c filename | less |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | uberspaced: zless is way easier |
| 02:14.48 | Supaplex | zcat foo.gz | $PAGER |
| 02:14.50 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 02:15.10 | zcat[1] | zless ? |
| 02:15.15 | concept10 | uberspaced, oh, do what I do |
| 02:15.16 | dondelelcaro | yes, zless. |
| 02:15.19 | uberspaced | abrotman, couldn't remember if it was -e or not, he answered before me, still wanted to get an answer in |
| 02:15.22 | enouf | yep .. and zgrep are wondrous |
| 02:15.30 | dondelelcaro | zcat, zless, and zgrep are things that everyone should know. |
| 02:15.48 | dondelelcaro | (the only problem with them is that they don't work corretly if the file isn't named foo.gz) |
| 02:15.49 | concept10 | uberspaced, when I want to learn new stuff, I just goto /usr/share/doc and just start reading shit |
| 02:16.06 | enouf | dondelelcaro: I found the regex zegrep recently too :-) |
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| 02:16.21 | concept10 | there should be zman |
| 02:16.23 | F1r3phoenix | hi... |
| 02:16.35 | F1r3phoenix | are some one? |
| 02:16.43 | zcat[1] | zcat -f is quite clever; it will do zcat on compressed files and plain cat if they're not compressed. |
| 02:17.05 | F1r3phoenix | I had a little problem with my debian |
| 02:17.16 | uberspaced | concept10, what I'm looking for is stuff like "I really hate it when people dont understand the concept of revision controll" |
| 02:17.24 | uberspaced | or "databases" or "networking" or "programming" |
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| 02:18.03 | dondelelcaro | concept10: man handles compressed manpages transparently |
| 02:18.04 | concept10 | uberspaced, i dont understand that |
| 02:18.13 | F1r3phoenix | some one know how can I start my debian if grub start with ssh¿? |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | uberspaced: so read the docs for those applications |
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| 02:19.03 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, Im looking for the easiest way to view the various docs in /usr/share/doc. Sometimes I just go there and read until I figure out what next to do |
| 02:19.26 | haggz | concept10: there are several good packages for indexing and viewing documentation |
| 02:19.33 | dondelelcaro | concept10: yeah, zless and zxpdf are the two commands you need to know. |
| 02:19.43 | concept10 | but zless is what i was looking for |
| 02:19.56 | concept10 | there are some html files also |
| 02:19.58 | dondelelcaro | (or just gv if it's ps.gz) |
| 02:20.01 | F1r3phoenix | Help please... |
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| 02:20.21 | dondelelcaro | F1r3phoenix: no one understands your question; try explaining what you're attempting to do again. |
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| 02:20.39 | haggz | concept10: i recommend using man2html and dhelp to create fully browsable documents from a centralized index |
| 02:20.49 | dondelelcaro | concept10: yeah, I'm not much a fan of htmlized documentation. |
| 02:21.01 | dondelelcaro | given the choice, I use pdf |
| 02:21.09 | pickcoder | there are zillions of manpages on the web |
| 02:21.28 | enouf | concept10: there's also lessfile (some one recommended to me , but I don't like it) .. what I did, I gunzipped the kernel docs into their own dir for quick easy access in a lightweight browser |
| 02:21.59 | concept10 | enouf, thats a good one |
| 02:22.01 | F1r3phoenix | yes... |
| 02:22.10 | F1r3phoenix | My problem is... |
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| 02:22.32 | concept10 | thanks, you guys have given me enough commands to review for the next hour over a beer or four |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is today your bday ? |
| 02:22.38 | F1r3phoenix | That I do apt-get dist-upgrade to unstable to try it... |
| 02:22.49 | _paulfm | Hey... is there something like cron that can schedule tasks in fine increments like seconds? |
| 02:22.50 | F1r3phoenix | and now at reboot... |
| 02:22.55 | Azar | :) was yesterday, abrotman |
| 02:23.03 | abrotman | i thought it was today .. oh well |
| 02:23.11 | F1r3phoenix | the system say Grub> |
| 02:23.29 | _paulfm | Has anyone used Upstart yet? |
| 02:23.30 | F1r3phoenix | I think that grub isn't configured |
| 02:23.34 | pickcoder | happy belated bday, dondelelcaro |
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| 02:23.47 | abrotman | i thought someone yesterday said it was today :) |
| 02:23.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
| 02:23.58 | Azar | stoned |
| 02:23.58 | pickcoder | abrotman: timezones? |
| 02:24.07 | abrotman | pickcoder: he's not that far from me :) |
| 02:24.17 | pickcoder | the person who said it may have been |
| 02:24.17 | F1r3phoenix | someone know how can I recuperate my system? |
| 02:24.18 | Azar | yeeeee!!! Happy Birthday dondelecaro! |
| 02:24.19 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: well .. happy 68th birthday! |
| 02:24.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:24.47 | Azar | brain measurement, dondelecaro |
| 02:24.51 | Supaplex | he doesn't look a day past 18. but, this is irc huh? :-) |
| 02:24.55 | concept10 | let me translate his problem |
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| 02:25.05 | F1r3phoenix | happy birthday Dondelecaro |
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| 02:25.12 | haldrik | hello |
| 02:25.23 | Azar | stoned!!! |
| 02:25.24 | Supaplex | !cheer for dondelelcaro's birthday |
| 02:25.25 | pickcoder | 18th |
| 02:25.38 | Supaplex | I guess dpkg isn't a cheerleader. |
| 02:25.48 | pickcoder | dpkg would look funny with pom-poms |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | what does dpkg look like now ? |
| 02:26.12 | stoned | !ntfs-3g |
| 02:26.13 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is available in Debian testing/unstable, a new, beta quality fuse-based driver for NTFS with decent write support, currently works on i386 and possibly amd64. See http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html , ask me about <ntfs> and/or (which appears deprecated) <captiventfs> |
| 02:26.14 | dondelelcaro | thanks everyone |
| 02:26.22 | stoned | hey guys |
| 02:26.26 | stoned | whoah |
| 02:26.32 | stoned | dondelelcaro: really? |
| 02:26.32 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, you probably need to reconfigure grub |
| 02:26.36 | pickcoder | dpkg looks pretty happy right now |
| 02:26.50 | stoned | Happy B-Day man dude homie bro (from the youngins) |
| 02:26.54 | haldrik | wich of two packages I must install, to my Xorg 7.1 and Nvidia 6200 card nvidia-glx-legacy - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (legacy version), nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver ??? |
| 02:27.06 | F1r3phoenix | concept10 I supose it... |
| 02:27.09 | stoned | I smoke a bowl to dondelelcaro's good health and to toast his bday |
| 02:27.10 | haldrik | witch |
| 02:27.11 | stoned | here we go |
| 02:27.29 | F1r3phoenix | but I don't know how can I do it from a live cd |
| 02:27.31 | stoned | sat. night party in #debian! bring the booze! |
| 02:27.48 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, have you installed it to the harddrive? |
| 02:27.59 | F1r3phoenix | Debian yes... |
| 02:28.17 | F1r3phoenix | Is instaled on a Hda2 |
| 02:28.35 | F1r3phoenix | And now I'm with a livecd |
| 02:28.35 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: I always figured you were pushing 40. |
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| 02:28.39 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, try update-grub |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | youngins? .. some of us are older than don :) |
| 02:28.56 | pickcoder | pipeline: is that a bad thing? |
| 02:29.05 | F1r3phoenix | but how can I do it with out been in debian? |
| 02:29.22 | Azar | hey stoned, did you know there were two versions of ttf-dejavu? |
| 02:29.33 | Malf | haldrik: I had poor luck with those |
| 02:29.46 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, you have to do a chroot which some one else has to explain, because I forget how to do it (along with everything else) |
| 02:30.18 | haldrik | Malf: I dont understand you |
| 02:30.23 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:30.40 | F1r3phoenix | I'd like reconfigure grub manualy from a livecd... |
| 02:30.40 | concept10 | im pushing 35 |
| 02:30.42 | stoned | Azar: no I did not. I think I may have found a better font in "clean" http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/ss/font.png |
| 02:30.43 | F1r3phoenix | but I dont found vmlinuz |
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| 02:30.59 | pickcoder | concept10: atleast I'm still not 35 |
| 02:31.02 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:31.04 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, You tried to install debian and it doesnt work, correct? |
| 02:31.13 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/t/ttf-dejavu/ttf-dejavu_2.14-1/changelog |
| 02:31.20 | F1r3phoenix | no... |
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| 02:31.37 | pipeline | pickcoder: Yes and no :P |
| 02:31.37 | concept10 | No as in no or No as in yes? |
| 02:31.54 | pipeline | Here's something I don't understand: Why is the output of 'ls' different from 'ls | cat' ? |
| 02:31.58 | F1r3phoenix | When I dist-upgrade Debian, My grub don't configure correct |
| 02:32.00 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, debian install doesnt work? |
| 02:32.14 | F1r3phoenix | yes, from a Cd yes... |
| 02:32.22 | concept10 | someone help that guy reconfig his grub |
| 02:32.28 | concept10 | from chroot |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:32.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:32.36 | Malf | haldrik: I tried both with my nvidia card and neither worked. I had to just stop trying to use nvidia drivers for the time being because I didn't have the time to spend debugging the problem |
| 02:32.51 | Malf | haldrik: So to me neither of the packages seemed particularly useful |
| 02:33.01 | concept10 | abrotman, you think he's spanish? |
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| 02:33.17 | F1r3phoenix | Yes I'm spanish... |
| 02:33.21 | F1r3phoenix | Is so poor my english |
| 02:33.24 | karmatronic | cool |
| 02:33.24 | F1r3phoenix | :) |
| 02:33.26 | concept10 | heh |
| 02:33.38 | concept10 | I thought the same too :) |
| 02:33.47 | F1r3phoenix | jajajajjaja :D |
| 02:33.58 | karmatronic | F1r3phoenix, i live in spain |
| 02:34.04 | abrotman | concept10: duh :) |
| 02:34.06 | haldrik | Malf: so, you recomend use nvidia autoinstall package .run? |
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| 02:34.18 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:34.19 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 02:34.20 | Malf | haldrik: Well... not really |
| 02:34.22 | F1r3phoenix | thanks concept10 I'll try in #Debian-es |
| 02:34.37 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, good luck amigo |
| 02:35.05 | stoned | could anyone help me find fglrx specific xorg.conf device options list? |
| 02:35.12 | stoned | I can't seem to find anything regarding this |
| 02:35.22 | haldrik | Malf: ??? |
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| 02:35.30 | F1r3phoenix | When I have best level of englihs we'll see... |
| 02:35.30 | F1r3phoenix | :):):P:):) |
| 02:35.30 | F1r3phoenix | Gracias Concept10 |
| 02:35.42 | Malf | haldrik: Try what just came out of dpkg perhaps? |
| 02:36.02 | concept10 | F1r3phoenix, english is overrated, stick with what you know |
| 02:36.06 | abrotman | stoned: maybe ask #ati .. see if they have better docs |
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| 02:36.14 | stoned | ok |
| 02:36.17 | stoned | thanks |
| 02:36.18 | _pepo_ | hi friends |
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| 02:37.22 | stoned | abrotman: unfortunately all my data resides on NTFS disks becuase I did not think I could get linux drivers for my hardware so soon. I need write support. Whats the word on that these days.. speed isn't an issue, reliability is, any suggesstions |
| 02:37.43 | _pepo_ | Is there some command to know the brand of my hard disk? |
| 02:37.56 | Supaplex | _pepo_: hdparm -i |
| 02:38.02 | abrotman | stoned: ask pipeline about captive |
| 02:38.27 | stoned | pipeline: is a bot? |
| 02:38.29 | _pepo_ | tnx |
| 02:38.34 | stoned | nah |
| 02:38.39 | stoned | !captive |
| 02:38.40 | dpkg | well, captive is The first kind of free if you squint NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/, or <abrotman> livingtm: well .. captive-ntfs is another ball of wax .. it's like wine for your filesystem .. and given how well wine works .. i avoid it like naked pictures of my mom, or <pipeline> abrotman: What would it take to get that captive factoid replaced with just "DON'T USE CAPTIVE, DAMNIT" |
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| 02:39.24 | stoned | ooh |
| 02:39.28 | stoned | naked pics of mommy |
| 02:39.29 | concept10 | I saw a great presentation on google about MacFUSE, is anyone using ntfs-3g or other FUSE related stuff for something cool? |
| 02:39.35 | stoned | alright that is a disturbing factoid man |
| 02:39.48 | stoned | i asked |
| 02:39.53 | stoned | dpkg is bonged |
| 02:40.01 | stoned | !ntfs-3g |
| 02:40.01 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is available in Debian testing/unstable, a new, beta quality fuse-based driver for NTFS with decent write support, currently works on i386 and possibly amd64. See http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html , ask me about <ntfs> and/or (which appears deprecated) <captiventfs> |
| 02:40.24 | stoned | they say its the best, but I dunno i can't really trust anything ntfs writing in linux |
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| 02:40.27 | _pepo_ | hdparm -i doesnt work because my hard disk is SATA |
| 02:40.29 | stoned | but I do need write support |
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| 02:40.57 | _pepo_ | Is there some command to know the brand of my SATA hard disk? |
| 02:41.08 | abrotman | dmesg might show you some info |
| 02:41.25 | concept10 | stoned, im going to install that and start deleting files on my ntfs partition |
| 02:41.33 | haggz | _pepo_: i |
| 02:41.40 | stoned | concept10: if I can get a 500GB disk |
| 02:41.55 | suv | lol |
| 02:42.00 | stoned | I can xfer all my data to it, on an ext3fs, then wipe off the ntfs disks and reformat as ext3 |
| 02:42.01 | _pepo_ | i ¿?? |
| 02:42.03 | haggz | _pepo_: if you can reboot system and enter BIOS, you can probably get info for it |
| 02:42.04 | stoned | then I'll be a happy camper |
| 02:42.11 | stoned | I just feel dirty |
| 02:42.19 | stoned | with so much windows bullshit on this new machine |
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| 02:42.22 | concept10 | stoned, I have a 10 gb ext3 partition that I have been living out of for three years on this laptop |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | _pepo_: try dmesg |
| 02:42.25 | mystic_touch | Hello |
| 02:42.31 | stoned | abrotman: what about hwinfo? |
| 02:42.39 | _pepo_ | ill try dmesg |
| 02:42.45 | stoned | that doesn't say anything about hdd? |
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| 02:42.50 | Azar | hey stoned, "running a basic, truly minimal window manager can save significant CPU cycles and memory.." |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | stoned: i'm sure it does |
| 02:43.06 | Supaplex | like xterm? |
| 02:43.20 | Azar | Supaplex: yes |
| 02:43.24 | abrotman | hda: HITACHI_DK23EA-40B, ATA DISK drive |
| 02:43.28 | Supaplex | but xterm isn't a wm. |
| 02:43.35 | Supaplex | :> |
| 02:43.37 | stoned | Azar: on a 3.5Ghz Core 2 Duo, kde-core, from grub to desktop, like 8-10 seconds |
| 02:43.42 | Azar | yep, openbox is |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | Supaplex: one can dream :) |
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| 02:43.58 | Supaplex | flmw is pretty skinny. |
| 02:44.05 | stoned | Azar: I'd consider a wm like that if I had a mid 90's machine |
| 02:44.09 | black_13_ | is this the proper place to ask about the debianlive tools |
| 02:44.12 | Azar | and only with that, when I play a 3D game my cpu goes up to 98% |
| 02:44.13 | stoned | on modern machines there is no such thing as bloatware |
| 02:44.18 | stoned | well |
| 02:44.20 | stoned | except vista |
| 02:44.27 | stoned | kde is still modular enough |
| 02:44.31 | stoned | kde-core is good |
| 02:44.35 | stoned | enter is not a punctuation |
| 02:44.41 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 02:44.45 | abrotman | black_13_: there is a #debian-live on OFTC also |
| 02:44.54 | Azar | well, I like to only have what I really use |
| 02:44.59 | black_13_ | oftc? |
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| 02:45.11 | karsten | !oftc |
| 02:45.11 | dpkg | from memory, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 02:45.12 | Supaplex | black_13_: #debian-live |
| 02:45.19 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 02:45.28 | Delicates | I'm pondering disabling IDE drivers in 2.6.19 and using ATA drivers instead... The ATA_PIIX comment is unclear to me: "If PATA support was enabled previously, this enables support for select Intel PIIX/ICH PATA host controllers." |
| 02:45.30 | Delicates | anyone has experience of using ATA_PIIX for PATA support with IDE disabled, or can explain how it works? |
| 02:46.08 | black_13_ | abrotman is this a different server than freenode? |
| 02:46.10 | stoned | not sure, but I use ata_piix to detect some devices upon debian installer |
| 02:46.27 | abrotman | black_13_: yes |
| 02:46.29 | stoned | I turn all others off otherwise I get hiccups |
| 02:46.32 | stoned | its weird |
| 02:46.37 | mystic_touch | someone knows why direct rendering: could be disable ... if i got the drivers and everuthing to install compiz |
| 02:46.43 | stoned | then again weirder things happen to me... I'm sick o fit |
| 02:47.32 | justin | mystic_touch: 'the drivers"? |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | mystic_touch: you didn't enable it ? |
| 02:48.14 | mystic_touch | yes i enable ... |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | look in your X log |
| 02:48.27 | mystic_touch | is working in xorg.conf everything ok |
| 02:48.43 | justin | mystic_touch: if it was working direct rendering would not be disabled |
| 02:48.45 | mystic_touch | i got image here ... i'm talking to you lol |
| 02:49.05 | concept10 | i bought a new mouse and it supports side-scrolling with the wheel (button three). Anyone know how to view these events so I can figure out how to get them working in gnome? its USB |
| 02:49.08 | mystic_touch | justin well that what i'm asking lol |
| 02:49.18 | mystic_touch | why? :) |
| 02:49.21 | abrotman | look in your X log lololol |
| 02:49.40 | mystic_touch | hummm :| |
| 02:49.41 | black_13_ | abrotman is it acceptible to ask questions about the live cd here? |
| 02:49.48 | abrotman | black_13_: you can try |
| 02:49.49 | _paulfm | Can some kind soul please offer any help with upstart |
| 02:50.03 | _paulfm | I have built and installed it to /opt/upstart |
| 02:50.22 | _paulfm | Now how do I start uptart... using an init script? |
| 02:50.22 | chafe | aaaa |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | doesn't upstart have documentation ? |
| 02:50.36 | black_13_ | i have installed make-live |
| 02:50.53 | _paulfm | for now that is... till it eventually replaces init... then the kernel should auto start it |
| 02:51.20 | black_13_ | but when i run the following make-live -p xfce i get /usr/sbin/make-live: line 342: Init: command not found |
| 02:51.22 | pickcoder | Delicates: that message states that you must have enabled PATA already in order to use the ATA_PIIX for select Intel PIIX/ICH boards |
| 02:51.35 | _paulfm | abrotman: yes but its a little thin and doesnt explain how I run it in tandem with sysvinit |
| 02:51.52 | abrotman | i don't think you run it in tandem .. i've only messed with initng |
| 02:52.00 | concept10 | _paulfm, Warning, make sure you have the sys v init compatibilty scripts |
| 02:52.06 | mystic_touch | abrotman i don`t think i got error i'm here great whith image :\ |
| 02:52.13 | concept10 | _paulfm, or it will not start |
| 02:52.25 | _paulfm | concetp10: I did --enable-compat=sysv when configuring |
| 02:52.31 | Delicates | pickcoder: and I can't find PATA, I think that sentence is outdated |
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| 02:53.07 | concept10 | _paulfm, im not exactly sure thats all you need |
| 02:53.10 | _paulfm | abrotman: so I cant keep init(sysv) running as usual, but have init launch upstart which will handle my testing scripts |
| 02:53.35 | abrotman | _paulfm: NFC .. read the docs |
| 02:53.36 | _paulfm | all Im trying to to is have upstart handle periodic jobs, nohing at boot |
| 02:53.44 | concept10 | _paulfm, because ubuntu also packages a .deb with those 'events' |
| 02:53.54 | _paulfm | abrotman: hehe.. me too... thanks for the input |
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| 02:54.11 | stoned | !hi |
| 02:54.12 | dpkg | hello, stoned |
| 02:54.17 | stoned | hmm testing hilight |
| 02:54.33 | _paulfm | concept10: yes.... I may try the .deb |
| 02:54.52 | Delicates | pickcoder: ah I just found it: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/16/37 |
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| 02:55.12 | concept10 | _paulfm, I think they are also on the upstart website |
| 02:55.16 | _paulfm | do you guys know of a scheduler that is better than cron for running a script like every 30 seconds? |
| 02:55.24 | _paulfm | cron only does 1 minute increments |
| 02:55.26 | abrotman | a loop |
| 02:55.29 | stoned | !hi |
| 02:55.30 | dpkg | hello, stoned |
| 02:55.32 | stoned | dangit! |
| 02:55.37 | _paulfm | concept: yes the .deb is linked from there |
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| 02:57.55 | concept10 | _paulfm, I would look for other means to handle the task you want (running a cron) |
| 02:58.03 | haggz | _paulfm: do you need true real-time accuracy on your time intervals, or does the event just need to happen "often enough"? |
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| 02:59.21 | _paulfm | concept10:..can you suggest anything.. I need a job to run every 30 secs... cron only does 1 minute intervals |
| 02:59.41 | concept10 | _paulfm, answer haggz question |
| 02:59.47 | _paulfm | haggs: I need it to run as close to every 30 seconds as I can... but its not critical |
| 02:59.55 | _paulfm | oops |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | loop |
| 03:00.00 | _paulfm | haggz :-) |
| 03:00.08 | justin | cron can do that, if you count ugly hacks |
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| 03:00.12 | stoned | !hi |
| 03:00.12 | dpkg | hello, stoned |
| 03:00.21 | stoned | oh goddamit this hilight ting isn't working |
| 03:00.27 | _paulfm | justin: hacks... how? |
| 03:00.27 | karmatronic | _paulfm, bash script ? |
| 03:00.39 | justin | _paulfm: two entries, one starting with sleep 30; |
| 03:00.53 | _paulfm | I was going to write a simple c prog that runs and waits 30 secs then launches the command... then waits 30 secs etc.. |
| 03:00.57 | karmatronic | _paulfm, 'while [ 1==1 ] ; do date +%H:%M:%S ;sleep 30 ; done' |
| 03:00.59 | stoned | could anyone help me setup a highlight where my nick is mentioned the whole line displays in bright green. I tried /hilight -line -color %%G stoned |
| 03:01.02 | stoned | its not working |
| 03:01.05 | justin | _paulfm: or one entry of program;sleep 30;program |
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| 03:01.12 | _paulfm | karmatronic: yes |
| 03:01.15 | stoned | I don't find anything else in /help hilight (irssi) |
| 03:01.19 | _paulfm | justin: cool - Ill try that |
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| 03:01.26 | wawowe | anyone know why 3d accelaration wouldn't work in cedega but would every where else? |
| 03:01.27 | peterS | karmatronic: [ 1==1 ] works but not the way you think it does. it is equivalent to: test -n "1==1" |
| 03:01.28 | pickcoder | hm.. this box keeps dying on me |
| 03:01.35 | pickcoder | no errors in the logs at all |
| 03:01.37 | stoned | #cedega |
| 03:01.39 | justin | _paulfm: you're asking for trouble though :) |
| 03:01.41 | peterS | karmatronic: simpler would be: while true; do .... |
| 03:01.49 | _paulfm | but all these are just that "hacks".. upstart would do a much better job.. like not overlapping jobs if one is currently running |
| 03:01.58 | _paulfm | justin: yes I know |
| 03:02.13 | karmatronic | peterS, right |
| 03:02.24 | _paulfm | I dont want overlapping jobs if something is slowing them down |
| 03:02.27 | wawowe | i have a radeon x800 |
| 03:02.28 | karmatronic | peerless, both work |
| 03:02.29 | peterS | karmatronic: in fact, since : is an alias for true, I usually say: while :; do |
| 03:03.00 | karmatronic | peterS, even cooler |
| 03:03.03 | _paulfm | so I see the vote is to script it instead of cron or upstart? |
| 03:03.04 | justin | karmatronic: [ 1==0 ] "works" too |
| 03:03.05 | wawowe | glxgears gets 8000 some fps but not in cedega, there it fails the test |
| 03:03.18 | haggz | paulfm: if you want high-precision, a lot of developers for linux devices have worked out custom kernel configurations etc for real-time applications, so you might look at some of those resources, there might be some good premade tools for precise job scheduling available. |
| 03:03.24 | suv | mine is 3000 |
| 03:03.43 | peterS | _paulfm: a sleep 30 loop is just as effective, but if you're worried about the shell somehow dying on you, you can do 'foo; sleep 30; foo' in a cron job |
| 03:03.47 | _paulfm | haggz: thanks... I did see sometihng about a new 2.6 kernel scheduler |
| 03:03.58 | suv | but this number isn't its best |
| 03:04.04 | mystic_touch | well thanks anyway :) |
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| 03:04.19 | mystic_touch | gona try one more reboots lol |
| 03:04.20 | mystic_touch | :) |
| 03:04.31 | _paulfm | peterS: thanks.... I think Imma try it |
| 03:05.06 | _paulfm | thanks everyone... abrotman, haggzz, karmatronic, peterS, concept10 |
| 03:05.11 | _paulfm | y'all rule |
| 03:05.42 | peterS | debian/rules |
| 03:05.49 | _paulfm | indeed |
| 03:06.19 | concept10 | _paul: i'll probably get flamed, but I would use some ruby capistrano task to do what you wanted to do |
| 03:06.36 | peterS | (rumor has it, the debian/rules file was named that specifically so it would add hits to web searches for 'debian rules') |
| 03:06.56 | _paulfm | concept: I have hardly touched ruby... so I think I better stay away.. |
| 03:07.18 | Azar | hmmm anybody tried "buddy" yet? I see it at freshmeat but not on packages.. |
| 03:07.29 | Azar | http://freshmeat.net/projects/buddy/ |
| 03:07.47 | _paulfm | concept10: ... would you launch that.... just as a command line script? |
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| 03:08.16 | cartesian1984 | What packages contain 'route' and 'ip'? |
| 03:08.24 | _paulfm | Hey.. 1 more thing... any suggestions for a good disk cloning app? I wanna make an image of my custom debian install |
| 03:08.34 | cartesian1984 | _paulfm: bootcd |
| 03:08.48 | cartesian1984 | _paulfm: I'm doing the same thing right now :) |
| 03:08.50 | _paulfm | cartesian1984: cool - Ill take a look |
| 03:08.54 | _paulfm | heh |
| 03:09.15 | _paulfm | cartesian: may as well save some setup/install time if you have a good setup |
| 03:09.17 | haggz | _paulfm: i like partimage |
| 03:09.46 | concept10 | _paulfm, there are other ways... See, it depends on the context of what you want to do. If I had a remote server that I wanted to make tasks, I would use something such as BackgrounDRB or Capistrano. |
| 03:09.51 | _paulfm | haggz: yup - I found some links of that today - so I can image my drive... then clone it if I ever need to - bootable? |
| 03:10.17 | concept10 | _paulfm, but these are probaby too far out for what you are trying to achieve but worth looking at |
| 03:10.21 | haggz | _paulfm: yes, BUT - don't forget you might need edit fstab and possibly any other files that have information that might not fit new partition |
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| 03:10.39 | _paulfm | concept10: I need a local script to check with a webserver every 30 secs... getting *php* driven stats from it |
| 03:11.05 | black_13_ | arbrotman i looks like the download for live-package was incomplete how would i fix this |
| 03:11.19 | _paulfm | haggzz: what is the best way to just clone a drive? |
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| 03:11.29 | concept10 | _paulfm, in that case, there are probably many tools to do that, you just have to find the one that fits you |
| 03:11.45 | pickcoder | cartesian1984: iproute contains ip and net-tools contains route |
| 03:11.53 | concept10 | Azar, buddy looks like ncurses Synaptic |
| 03:12.20 | _paulfm | concept10:.. I think the shell script will probably do the trick... ill do that after mucking my whole system up with upstart ;-) |
| 03:12.27 | cartesian1984 | pickcoder: I installed net-tools, but don't have route, when I try to run it. I am running etch, should I file a bug? |
| 03:12.39 | pickcoder | cartesian1984: which route |
| 03:12.44 | concept10 | _paulfm, thats if you are able to start your system again :) |
| 03:12.58 | pickcoder | er.. that's a command request |
| 03:13.03 | pickcoder | not a question |
| 03:13.04 | concept10 | _paulfm, be prepared to log into #upstart :) |
| 03:13.11 | cartesian1984 | pickcoder: it returns nothing, and I realized that halfway into my response :) |
| 03:13.13 | _paulfm | concept: hehe... I have it installed out ofr the way in /opt/upstart.. so its not replaceg init (sysv) |
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| 03:14.22 | _paulfm | just did make install for upstart... *nervous* |
| 03:14.26 | haggz | _paulfm: i think gparted live cd or knoppix has the tools you need for a straight drive clone, i always use gparted for more control and space-efficient backups |
| 03:15.03 | haggz | _paulfm: *partimage for more control and space efficiency, mistype sorry |
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| 03:15.16 | pickcoder | cartesian1984: dpkg -L net-tools |
| 03:15.27 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:15.41 | _paulfm | haggz: does gparted have a bootable cd?... I am running debian in text mode.... would plain old parted be a good cloner? |
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| 03:16.03 | _paulfm | rebooting - hopefully without upstart |
| 03:16.10 | concept10 | I swear Firefox is hot garbage |
| 03:16.21 | cartesian1984 | pickcoder: oh, I wasn't running it as root! It's something I must've learned from ubuntu :) |
| 03:16.30 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 03:16.35 | haggz | _paulfm: yes gparted has a live cd, and parted should work, assuming your drives are compatible and setup correctly |
| 03:16.37 | black_13_ | can a site host there own debs? |
| 03:16.40 | cartesian1984 | pickcoder: thanks! |
| 03:16.46 | pickcoder | yeah.. /sbin/ isn't normally accessible for normal users |
| 03:16.47 | cartesian1984 | black_13_: sure, why not? |
| 03:16.55 | _paulfm | aaahhh... looks like INIT is running..phewww |
| 03:17.11 | _paulfm | haggz: excellent... thanks |
| 03:17.37 | black_13_ | cartesian1984, how do you pull debs from that place wouldnt it be deb http://website.com/ ????? ? |
| 03:18.18 | haggz | _paulfm: you will still need to make sure the grub information and fstab ec on the cloned partition are correct for how it will be mounted at startup if you want to boot from it |
| 03:18.39 | cartesian1984 | black_13_: yes, that's possible. Google for 'falcon debian repository' it's a tool for making your own repo. |
| 03:18.56 | pickcoder | black_13_: or read the debian maintainer's guide |
| 03:19.18 | black_13_ | well i dont want to make debs really im trying to get some debis from alioth |
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| 03:19.42 | xp_prg4 | what is the package that contains the X11 header files please? |
| 03:19.49 | pickcoder | man sources.list |
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| 03:20.00 | pickcoder | to learn the sources.list format |
| 03:20.19 | pickcoder | or review the site that is offering the debs |
| 03:20.29 | pickcoder | they normally provide source.list entries |
| 03:21.20 | cockroach | hi. i'd like to manually modify an existing debian package (the control file) and nicely got in un-ar'd, however, I can't seem to figure out how to put the modified control file back into the .deb - is there an idiot-proof tutorial anywhere? |
| 03:21.33 | black_13_ | im trying to pull the debs that are offered from this site http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:21.51 | black_13_ | and i know that would involve editing source.list in /etc/apt |
| 03:22.04 | black_13_ | what i dont know is what to put in sources.list |
| 03:22.39 | cartesian1984 | black_13_: pickcoder already explained. Go to the site, and find a line formatted like this: deb debian-live.alioth.debian.org/repo sarge free non-free |
| 03:22.40 | black_13_ | deb http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ ????? what goes in ???? |
| 03:22.47 | peterS | cockroach: dpkg-deb -x filename.deb foo; vi foo/DEBIAN/control; dpkg-deb -b foo newpackage.deb |
| 03:23.01 | peterS | cockroach: it's all very simple if you use dpkg-deb (: |
| 03:23.05 | cartesian1984 | black_13_: your distro version, sarge or etch or whatever. |
| 03:23.13 | black_13_ | etch |
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| 03:23.22 | pickcoder | black_13_: are you trying to get the live CD? |
| 03:23.29 | black_13_ | to make it |
| 03:23.32 | pickcoder | black_13_: b/c that's an ISO that you burn |
| 03:23.36 | black_13_ | yeah |
| 03:23.54 | black_13_ | or it was my understand that the tool would create and iso |
| 03:24.15 | black_13_ | and i could burn that iso (or run from qemu/vmware) |
| 03:24.28 | cockroach | peterS: oh, does sound easy - thanks :) |
| 03:24.29 | cartesian1984 | What tool? |
| 03:24.29 | pickcoder | are you talking about make-live? |
| 03:24.37 | peterS | cockroach: errrrrr ... I guess you also need to add: dpkg-deb -e filename.deb foo/DEBIAN |
| 03:24.40 | black_13_ | pickcoder, yes! |
| 03:24.54 | dendrite | black_13_: apt-get install live-package |
| 03:24.57 | pickcoder | oh I dunno.. never used it |
| 03:25.19 | black_13_ | dendrite, i did that but i looks like files are missing |
| 03:26.13 | black_13_ | dendrite, have you used this prog? |
| 03:26.15 | black_13_ | script |
| 03:26.29 | dendrite | black_13_: No, I was wandering around on their wiki. |
| 03:26.41 | dendrite | black_13_: I assume you've done that as well? |
| 03:26.48 | black_13_ | oh yeah |
| 03:27.03 | dendrite | black_13_: What files seem to be missing? |
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| 03:28.14 | brady | what is the command line apache testing tool. the one that does load testing. |
| 03:28.45 | black_13_ | dendrite, the bash script includes files from /usr/share/make-live ... but there is no /usr/share/make-live director post install |
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| 03:29.38 | pickcoder | brady: apt-cache search web server test |
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| 03:30.19 | dendrite | black_13_: You've used cdebootstrap? |
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| 03:30.26 | abrotman | brady: ab |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | or ab2 |
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| 03:30.39 | black_13_ | debootstrap to make chroots |
| 03:30.54 | dendrite | black_13_: The wiki talks about cdebootstrap... |
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| 03:32.30 | Yoques | Hi |
| 03:32.47 | Yoques | !es |
| 03:32.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:45.22 | black_13_ | ok i pulled the source deb now what? |
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| 03:49.06 | black_13_ | well i figured part of it out |
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| 03:50.48 | hope | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.16 | eASy | Hi. |
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| 03:51.20 | hope | hi |
| 03:51.26 | chrisjs169 | I think I just killed my computer |
| 03:51.51 | chrisjs169 | I'm getting errors about '_dl_out_of_memory' |
| 03:52.51 | eASy | I'm building atm some packages for my software, and have a dependencies problem, if a enter a 'apt-get install abcmeta': abcmeta: Depends: abc-cool-package.. But if I enter a 'apt-get install abc-cool-package' everything looks ok. Whats wrong? Or where can I get informations about the dependencies-system of debian? |
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| 03:54.04 | abrotman | does it need to be a pre-depend ? |
| 03:54.08 | chrisjs169 | 'relocation error: /lib/tld/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference' |
| 03:54.26 | chrisjs169 | Since nothing will start, I'm guessing I just about killed it? |
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| 03:54.58 | eASy | abrotman, Tested it out. It does not matter if I put the package as depend or as Pre-Depend. The errormessage is the same. |
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| 03:55.19 | abrotman | paste the actual error |
| 03:55.43 | eASy | wait i'll made a pastebin. |
| 03:55.58 | abrotman | chrisjs169: wtf is tld ? |
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| 03:56.48 | chrisjs169 | abrotman - I dunno...I was trying to get the nVidia drivers to work, and did a dpkg-reconfigure libc6 for some reason, and now nothing works... |
| 03:57.04 | haggz | OW! I just stubbed my brain on a paradox...I just installed emacs on this machine and discovered Stallman's essay on the origin of the GNU project has been moved to the 'non-free' repositories. Can't...learn...free software history...without...enabling...non-free repos. |
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| 03:57.29 | eASy | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/339533 |
| 03:58.26 | grendal_prime | i got these two files in my trashcan, i simply cannot delete...that make any sense? |
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| 03:59.26 | grendal_prime | weird part is there is actually two files..exact same name..i cant delet ither one of them?? |
| 03:59.35 | grendal_prime | how is that possible? |
| 04:00.05 | chrisjs169 | abrotman - Is it worth me trying to fix itm or should I just reinstall Debian? Once I reboot, it's basically going to die... |
| 04:00.11 | chrisjs169 | *it |
| 04:00.21 | abrotman | i'd like to know what /tld/ is |
| 04:00.32 | chrisjs169 | I don't even know |
| 04:00.39 | eASy | tld = (normally) top level domain like .com .net and so on.. |
| 04:00.45 | abrotman | i know .. |
| 04:00.48 | grendal_prime | this is in kde and the names of the files are kqemu-1.3.0pre9 |
| 04:00.50 | abrotman | but wtf is /lib/tld/ |
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| 04:01.24 | eASy | i know /lib/tls/.. but tld.. *shrug* |
| 04:01.52 | plus_M | Hey anyone here know anything about the Debian exe installer on http://goodbye-microsoft.com/? I have a few questions about it |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | eASy: did you make an apt repository ? |
| 04:01.59 | chrisjs169 | oh wait |
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| 04:02.14 | chrisjs169 | it was supposed to be tls |
| 04:02.32 | chrisjs169 | I made a typo but didn't notice it until that comment eASy made |
| 04:02.33 | eASy | abrotman, yes, but a "dirty" binary one.. all other deps of the 28 packages works fine. only this one not. |
| 04:03.35 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 04:03.35 | dpkg | [mentors] Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 04:03.37 | abrotman | see if they know |
| 04:04.00 | eASy | afaik is /lib/tls/ a nptl thing of the glibc. |
| 04:04.13 | eASy | ah thanks. |
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| 04:04.37 | nixbox | ln has a link counter of 3, i first have to find the inode number using ls -i and then I use the find -inum switch to find the other files with the same inode, doesnt find have any option for that so that i can just find the other files by the name of the file rather than the inode number? |
| 04:04.49 | chrisjs169 | now that i noticed the typo, is there any ideas as to how to fix the error? |
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| 04:08.26 | chrisjs169 | i guess i'll just reinstall Debian |
| 04:08.32 | squisher | chrisjs169: I don't know, but rebooting might be worth a shot |
| 04:09.10 | chrisjs169 | squisher: afaik, rebooting will produce the same error and cause a kernel panic, but i'll give it a try |
| 04:09.59 | chafe | so im trying to get audio capture to work with the aoss wrapper... i have an aysm device set up so that pcm.dsp uses dmix for playback and dsnoop for capture |
| 04:10.04 | chafe | its using the full duplex aysm device fine for playback |
| 04:10.10 | chafe | using aoss |
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| 04:10.17 | chafe | but im not getting any capture device workage |
| 04:10.21 | chrisjs169 | squisher: rebooting now... |
| 04:10.23 | chafe | aoss teamspeak if you are curious |
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| 04:12.05 | chrisjs169 | right after mounting filesystem....chroot: relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference <line break> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 04:12.07 | garotosopa | Hi. I tried testing netinst today and when it was installing openbsd_inetd it stalled. when I switched to tty4 the log looked like it was waiting for confirmation to overwrite /etc/networks. I had to delete it, kill the process and reconfigure it later. well just thought you should know... |
| 04:12.12 | muhoo | where could i look for docmentation on how to force acpi to route IRQ's differently than the default? |
| 04:12.32 | muhoo | i.e. i'm trying to move a device onto its own interrupt, instad of sharing as it is now. |
| 04:12.52 | muhoo | my firewire audio card is sharing an interrupt with my SATA controller, and that is Bad. |
| 04:13.03 | muhoo | s/card/chip/ .... this is a laptop |
| 04:13.26 | eASy | hrm looks like, that apt/dpgk does not like "double-deps" in different packages.. fixed it, yes. :) |
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| 04:14.05 | jbrimble | hey guys |
| 04:14.20 | chrisjs169 | Since I can't get in at all, I'm just gonna reinstall....thanks for the help though |
| 04:14.56 | jbrimble | my apache2 has destroyed config files.. is there a reconfigure tool that i can use if i delete all the http.conf and conf.d, etc? |
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| 04:15.45 | eASy | chrisjs169, do you tried to rename/delete the tls-directory? I have a similar problem on one of my servers, and after I renamed the tls-dir... No problems anymore. ;) |
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| 04:16.11 | plus_M | I tried to install Debian with that Debian EXE installer at goodbye-microsoft.com in a virtual machine, but when it reboots to continue the installation it says that I need to install a 32 bit OS. I have an Athlon 64 CPU but I know 64 bit OSs don't work in VMware |
| 04:16.34 | plus_M | However I was never presented the choice of whether I wanted to install a 64 bit OS or not |
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| 04:16.52 | plus_M | I am just testing this installation procedure out for a friend, so it's not terribly important |
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| 04:17.28 | jbrimble | anyone help? |
| 04:17.32 | jbrimble | my work server has gone down |
| 04:17.39 | jbrimble | ^^^^ the apache question |
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| 04:18.10 | abrotman | did you make customizations ? |
| 04:18.13 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 04:18.13 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 04:19.11 | jbrimble | yeah, i changed them then accidentally deleted one |
| 04:19.31 | nvz | hmm I wonder if I can get a font in this damn aterm somewhere between 9x15 and 12x14 size. one is too small to read and the other is a bit too big and ugly |
| 04:19.35 | jbrimble | when i type apt-get remove apache2, it doesn't stop apache or remove it |
| 04:19.51 | Acu | hey guys - I want to watch some videos in youtube and I have no sound - how the heck I fix that - the sound works fine in general but flashplayer have no sound |
| 04:20.49 | Acu | also, since one week or so (maybe since Firefox changed to Iceweasel - the browser sucks - either doesnot open or it freezes |
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| 04:21.12 | squisher | Acu: are you using unstable? |
| 04:21.22 | jbrimble | ah damnit |
| 04:21.31 | jbrimble | ive gotta get this website running again in the next 10 minutes |
| 04:21.35 | jbrimble | oh no |
| 04:21.37 | Acu | squisher: yes I am using etch |
| 04:22.01 | squisher | Acu: well, that's the response I got a while back about iceweasel... it's unstable, so don't complain if it's broken. |
| 04:22.07 | chafe | how do i find out what sort of device my capture device is using? ie dsnoop |
| 04:22.12 | squisher | Acu: I just downgraded to 1.5 and apt-pinned it, does the job for now |
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| 04:23.08 | F28 | Would i have to mount a webcam to use it? |
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| 04:24.38 | Acu | squisher: thanks - actually I am going to try installing firefox and forget about iceweasel |
| 04:25.33 | muhoo | this is weird, on my hardware there's no interrupt for the graphics controller! |
| 04:25.33 | muhoo | /proc/interrupts shows nothing for the graphics. |
| 04:25.41 | muhoo | is this normal? |
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| 04:26.01 | jbrimble | guys, please help.. how can i totally remove apache2? |
| 04:26.02 | muhoo | on 2.6.18, it did (i915@pci:0000:00:02.0). on 2.6.19.1, no interrupt |
| 04:26.07 | jbrimble | apt-get remove apache2 is doing nothing |
| 04:26.11 | jbrimble | its still running, etc |
| 04:26.16 | jbrimble | I need to get rid of it and re-install |
| 04:26.17 | jbrimble | and fast |
| 04:26.28 | LinuxNIT | any ideas what yould prevent gnome power manager from suspending my laptop? |
| 04:26.35 | abrotman | why? |
| 04:26.56 | jbrimble | because its damaged and i need to fix it in 7 minutes |
| 04:27.02 | jbrimble | ive lost all my config files, etc |
| 04:27.03 | abrotman | WHAT is damaged ? |
| 04:27.05 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 04:27.05 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 04:27.29 | squisher | Acu: uhm, that's what I meant. 1.5 = firefox, 2.0 = iceweasel :-) |
| 04:28.29 | squisher | muhoo: just an idea, but some BIOSes have a setting where you can specify if an IRQ should be assigned to the video card. Might be only older computers though... |
| 04:29.05 | jbrimble | i dont get this --force-confmiss |
| 04:29.10 | jbrimble | argh |
| 04:29.23 | abrotman | it's for you .. you have to use it on the right package |
| 04:29.34 | jbrimble | it didn't work |
| 04:30.09 | jbrimble | dpkg: need an action option |
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| 04:30.48 | jbrimble | i just need to reinstall.. why is this so hard :'( |
| 04:31.00 | abrotman | read the WHOLE factoid |
| 04:31.03 | dendrite | jbrimble: apache2 is a metapackage, that pulls in other packages. Figure out which package you *really* need to reinstall. |
| 04:31.13 | jbrimble | i have 4 minutes |
| 04:31.20 | jbrimble | and im going to lose my job |
| 04:31.34 | jbrimble | i have no idea what im doing |
| 04:31.36 | F28 | How would i mount a webcam? |
| 04:31.47 | abrotman | you don't |
| 04:31.50 | F28 | thought so. |
| 04:31.51 | F28 | thanks |
| 04:31.56 | squisher | jbrimble: why are you administering a webserver then in the first place? not a good idea... |
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| 04:32.15 | dendrite | squisher: Not that he wants to hear that, eh? =) |
| 04:32.17 | jbrimble | I'm a web developer, and ive stuffed this up |
| 04:32.17 | squisher | jbrimble: the 'action' should have been 'install', so you didn't type the correct command. Read the dpkg factoid again |
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| 04:32.26 | squisher | dendrite: well, if he'll learn it, then now |
| 04:32.39 | justin | F28: tecnically with the fuse stuff these days someone could write a fake filesystem which gives you a 'webcam.png' file :) |
| 04:32.46 | squisher | jbrimble: or post the commandline that you typed |
| 04:33.06 | jbrimble | dpkg-reconfigure --force-confmiss apache2 |
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| 04:33.16 | jbrimble | its wrong, i think |
| 04:33.20 | abrotman | jbrimble: did you actually read what the bot said ? |
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| 04:33.48 | jbrimble | yes, i guess i read incorrectly |
| 04:34.00 | abrotman | how many minutes do we have? |
| 04:34.05 | jbrimble | i dont understand that apt-get line |
| 04:34.05 | Acu | squisher: yes I just downloaded the Firefox and I can hear sound from youtube (Janis Joplin and Mother Teresa) |
| 04:34.15 | abrotman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2-common |
| 04:34.55 | squisher | Acu: great, lookup apt-pinning if you want it to stay that way :-) |
| 04:34.56 | abrotman | so much for fishing |
| 04:34.56 | Acu | squisher - where to place the firefox folder (in /usr/local/bin ?) |
| 04:35.05 | squisher | Acu: don't do that |
| 04:35.12 | dendrite | abrotman: Teach a man to fish from a sinking boat... |
| 04:35.28 | abrotman | dendrite: wtf is the idiot doing fishing when the boat is sinking?! |
| 04:35.29 | squisher | Acu: download the old .deb file, and install that - no need to get the binary from mozilla.org |
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| 04:36.00 | chrisjs169 | eASy - Sorry, I had already restarted the computer, and is basically panicing on startup, thanks for the tip though |
| 04:36.22 | jbrimble | thankyou abrotman.. |
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| 04:36.26 | jbrimble | i'll talk again in a few minutes |
| 04:36.27 | squisher | Acu: firefox might still be in your cache, you should check for firefox*deb in /var/cache/apt/archives and see if you still have a version 1.5 there. |
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| 04:36.43 | abrotman | jbrimble: it's going to be a bare config ... |
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| 04:40.26 | Acu | squisher: now I have it on the desktop - OK I found it in the archives - I just do a dpkg ? |
| 04:40.49 | squisher | Acu: you do dpkg -i <firefox.1.5.deb> |
| 04:41.10 | squisher | Acu: and then you still need to pin it, or the next upgrade you do will get you back to iceweasel |
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| 04:44.01 | Ilovemypuppy | well, so much for centos |
| 04:44.14 | abrotman | FF won't get security updates in etch/sid |
| 04:44.26 | Ilovemypuppy | can anyone recommend some good forum software? |
| 04:44.41 | Ilovemypuppy | Ive tried SMF but for some reason it has problems applying themes. |
| 04:45.03 | abrotman | apt-cache search forum ? |
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| 04:45.20 | abrotman | guess he got fired |
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| 04:45.43 | Noah0504 | I want to install etch RC1 and give it a spin. Can I get a basic install from having just the first DVD? |
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| 04:46.11 | haggz | BOSS: "Great brimble, MegaRichCorp's website now says "It worked!" to everyone who visits." |
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| 04:48.57 | F28 | Ubuntu in ancient african means 'Couldnt figure out Debian' |
| 04:49.31 | Noah0504 | F28: Ouch. |
| 04:49.32 | Noah0504 | haha |
| 04:50.11 | Noah0504 | haha |
| 04:50.29 | Tallu | F28: hahah |
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| 04:51.10 | muhoo | what exactly does this line mean: |
| 04:51.13 | muhoo | ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] (IRQs 1 3 4 5 6 7 10 12 14 15) *11 |
| 04:51.24 | Tallu | Noah0504: you can get a basic install from just the first cd, or the netinstall, and download the components you need |
| 04:51.26 | muhoo | what do the parentheses mean? |
| 04:51.42 | squisher | muhoo: what are you trying to troubleshoot? |
| 04:51.45 | muhoo | i understand that *11 means that the physical "wire" LNKC is connected to interrupt 11 |
| 04:52.04 | muhoo | squisher: i'm trying to move a device onto a separate interrupt |
| 04:52.07 | muhoo | if the hardware permits. |
| 04:52.22 | nvz | dondelelcaro: is there something special I have to do to get my blootbot to understand variables like $1 or $who in factoids? |
| 04:52.25 | muhoo | so, i'm trying to decode the [LNKx] lines to figure out what's going on in the hardware |
| 04:52.30 | squisher | muhoo: you should read your Motherboard manual. It should say in there which PCI slots are wired up to which IRQ |
| 04:52.50 | muhoo | squisher: i don't have a mobo manual. it's a laptop mobo inside a mac mini |
| 04:53.05 | muhoo | Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) |
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| 04:53.45 | squisher | Oh! :-) I was going to say that I don't know about Macs... but now that they are intel? Hmm... why do you need to move it in the first place? |
| 04:54.16 | muhoo | heh. because the SATA controller is on the same IRQ as the firewire chip, and i need them to be separate |
| 04:54.30 | muhoo | latency, for audio application |
| 04:54.49 | muhoo | bad.... 19: 179755 7747175 IO-APIC-fasteoi libata, uhci_hcd:usb3, ohci1394 |
| 04:55.26 | squisher | muhoo: I see, makes sense. Hmm, I'm sorry, but not sure what to do in that case... just that you need to consult ACPI, because ACPI can remap IRQs |
| 04:55.30 | dendrite | muhoo: Wow. That is a lot of crap on one irq. |
| 04:55.32 | arkham | hello |
| 04:55.47 | muhoo | dendrite: exactly. it makes me sad. |
| 04:55.55 | arkham | i have a 2 really quick question i m sorry |
| 04:55.59 | squisher | dendrite: actually, I don't think that's so uncommon these days |
| 04:56.12 | arkham | what is the package for making a dhcp server? plz |
| 04:56.25 | dendrite | squisher: disk, usb and firewire? That's a bit extreme. |
| 04:56.35 | muhoo | squisher: how does one "consult" ACPI? docs i've found say that these [LNKx] lines should tell me a lot, but they don't explain how to interpret the printk |
| 04:56.38 | arkham | i heard dhcp3 but i want to be sure before |
| 04:56.39 | xerophyte | is there any mp3 streaming servers like GNUMP3d , butter better than gnump3d |
| 04:56.42 | xerophyte | ? |
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| 04:57.21 | squisher | muhoo: I'm not sure, but i.e. mine has libata on IRQ 50, nvidia and usb on 58... those are obviously mapped by ACPI. But I didn't do that manually I'm afraid |
| 04:57.37 | arkham | what is the package for making a dhcp server? plz |
| 04:57.50 | squisher | arkham: apt-cache search dhcp server |
| 04:57.54 | muhoo | IIUC, this means the APIC controller is *choosing* to assign a bunch of crap to IRQ 11! |
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| 04:58.11 | muhoo | which, if it's choosing to do it, the "P" in APIC is "programmable"... |
| 04:58.19 | squisher | muhoo: yeah, might be. The mac mini probably doesn't show you much during bootup, huh? :-P |
| 04:58.27 | arkham | ok thank you i m little low in debian thanks |
| 04:58.37 | muhoo | squisher: it's a useless firmware |
| 04:58.41 | muhoo | EFI |
| 04:58.55 | squisher | That's what you get for buying a mac ;-) |
| 04:59.09 | muhoo | and, in my case, i'm using rEFIt, which is a free software bios for it |
| 04:59.22 | muhoo | well, sorry, not a bios, i don't think, just a boot manager. EFI is the BIOS |
| 04:59.47 | squisher | Ok, otherwise I would have asked if you had checked their docs |
| 05:00.02 | Acu | if I want to install flashplayer for Konqueror where should I install it? |
| 05:00.15 | muhoo | well, linux doesn't have to take the BIOS assignments. in fact, in linuxbios, it *makes* the assignments. |
| 05:00.48 | muhoo | and, i have been told that *something* in the linux kernel can override the BIOS IRQ assignments. |
| 05:00.53 | muhoo | but what? and where? |
| 05:01.19 | squisher | muhoo: well, AFAIK the ACPI, but I have never done it myself. Maybe check the docs for ACPI in the kernel? |
| 05:01.30 | muhoo | where can i find this... no google love for me yet. or where should i ask? on LKML? on the ACPI mailing list? |
| 05:01.40 | muhoo | ah, ok |
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| 05:02.15 | muhoo | though, i'd guess google would have found it if it was there... every line in the kernel has been indexed by google multipel times, but i'll look again |
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| 05:02.45 | Acu | does anyone knows where are Konqueror plugins ? I want to install flashplayer and realplayer so Konqueror can use them |
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| 05:04.23 | haggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.50 | squisher | muhoo: I thought maybe in the Documentation of the kernel-source (debian package linux-doc-2.6.18), but not much there about acpi |
| 05:05.19 | muhoo | squisher: i'm digging around there.. i vaguely remember seeing an IO-APIC file bu can't find it |
| 05:05.44 | muhoo | ah, found it |
| 05:05.57 | muhoo | whoa... |
| 05:06.03 | muhoo | append="pirq=15,11,10" |
| 05:06.07 | muhoo | :-) |
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| 05:06.50 | pstickne | How can I find out what happened to my uhm, USB HD? It isn't showing up in /dev anymore (just stopped after a reboot, works fine in windows still) |
| 05:06.54 | dendrite | muhoo: Whoa indeed. =) |
| 05:07.03 | pstickne | lsusb shows it as a device as well... |
| 05:07.30 | pstickne | but it's not in /dev under sd* or disk/* |
| 05:07.50 | muhoo | looks like i'm in for lots of trial and error though.... and i *still* want a good explanation of that [LNKx] printk line... but i suppose i can Use the Source Luke |
| 05:08.02 | muhoo | though i expect that'll raise more questions than it answers |
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| 05:08.23 | squisher | muhoo: :-) Yeah, I can imagine that |
| 05:10.09 | pstickne | in my dmesg I get "USB Mass Storage support registered." and other messages; but no device is registered |
| 05:10.33 | squisher | pstickne: that message is just from the usb-storage module, nothing about your particular hdd |
| 05:11.05 | pstickne | squisher, "usb-storage: device found at 3" |
| 05:11.12 | pstickne | squisher, which is where lsusb shows it too |
| 05:11.33 | pstickne | but now I just magically have any device file for it. |
| 05:11.45 | pstickne | err, ^don't have |
| 05:12.08 | squisher | pstickne: hmm, not sure... try unplugging it, do a tail -f /var/log/syslog, plug it in and see what happens |
| 05:12.11 | pstickne | "Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0402:5621 ALi Corp. USB 2.0 Storage Device" # hmm, where or where did my device go? |
| 05:12.24 | muhoo | heh, and the IO-APIC document is written by none other than ingo molnar |
| 05:12.25 | pstickne | squisher, I restarted the machine, verified it works fine in windows |
| 05:12.51 | muhoo | the amazing guy who gives us the realtime patches. i feel on safer ground now. |
| 05:12.52 | squisher | pstickne: just do the re-plugging to be able to see what the system says about the device. Faster than rebooting :-) |
| 05:14.17 | pstickne | squisher, and just as useless in this case :-/ |
| 05:14.18 | pstickne | http://pastie.caboo.se/37783 |
| 05:14.50 | pstickne | the only thing that looks slightly interesting is "usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning" |
| 05:15.06 | squisher | that's what I was about to point out... no clue what in particular it means though |
| 05:15.09 | squisher | try a google? |
| 05:15.20 | squisher | but I bet that that's your pblome |
| 05:15.26 | squisher | s/pblome/problem |
| 05:16.15 | dendrite | pstickne: Have you recently added anything else to the USB bus? |
| 05:16.21 | pstickne | dendrite, no. |
| 05:16.35 | pstickne | dendrite, it doesn't work if it's the only thing on the bus either :( |
| 05:17.08 | Rusty1 | pstickne: any dist upgrades recently? |
| 05:17.25 | pstickne | it was working fine for months until I restarted debian about 2 days ago; I restarted it before then but after I update the kernel the last |
| 05:17.36 | pstickne | Rusty1, nothing core, just added a few ruby modules |
| 05:17.52 | dendrite | pstickne: Does it work with the older kernel? |
| 05:18.15 | pstickne | I guess I could install an older one ... but this kernel has been on here fine for 2-3 weeks now :( |
| 05:18.18 | dendrite | pstickne: You might do a diff on the two kernel configs, to see what might have changed.. |
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| 05:18.40 | maddash | is etch out yet? |
| 05:18.45 | maddash | !topic |
| 05:18.46 | pstickne | dendrite, but this kernel WAS working. and I didn't change it. |
| 05:18.47 | kingsley | Is there a way to reinstall the same versions of packages without removing other packages that depend on them? |
| 05:19.06 | maddash | arghhhh |
| 05:19.11 | dendrite | pstickne: Ah. Udev? |
| 05:19.27 | pstickne | dendrite, the only thing from a system-perspective I changed was created a symlink in /dev (which of course went by-by on the reboot) and editing /etc/fstab |
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| 05:20.33 | muhoo | so lemme see if i understand this. the "pirq" is the physical IRQ line, that LNKA .. LNKH (on my system). |
| 05:20.33 | pstickne | dendrite, I believe it's udev. whatever 2.6.18 uses that does magic dynamic stuff |
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| 05:21.09 | dendrite | pstickne: Udev makes me cower. |
| 05:21.09 | muhoo | and, using pirq=, i can assign each of the pirq's to logical irq's, i.e. 1 .. 15 |
| 05:21.19 | pstickne | dendrite, :(( |
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| 05:21.55 | pstickne | I'm just grumpy; these are the kinds of problems I except with windows... not Linux/whatever. |
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| 05:22.30 | squisher | pstickne: hehe, at least with Linux you can ask for help, while with Windoze you'd be screwed and would have to reinstall |
| 05:22.39 | malt | yo whats another run command in debian besides ./ |
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| 05:22.59 | dendrite | malt: "run command" ?? What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 05:22.59 | squisher | malt: ./ is not a run command, but a path |
| 05:23.16 | dendrite | pstickne: Yeah, udev is a pain. |
| 05:23.24 | malt | well most files i use s . to run it |
| 05:23.26 | pstickne | dendrite, most of the time you also get better error indicators :( |
| 05:23.27 | malt | like ./bncsetup |
| 05:23.34 | malt | once in the file directory |
| 05:23.46 | DemonJester | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.46 | malt | what is a run command though in debain? |
| 05:23.50 | pstickne | that's because you (likely) don't have "." in your $PATH |
| 05:23.57 | malt | yeah ssh i am in |
| 05:23.59 | dendrite | malt: All ./<file> is is specifying the location of the program. |
| 05:24.07 | pstickne | so you need to use the ./foo to tell it "hey, look here!" |
| 05:24.13 | malt | yeah |
| 05:24.17 | pstickne | (otherwise it will follow through the $PATH rules) |
| 05:24.17 | malt | but got a run command? |
| 05:24.26 | dendrite | malt: Ah, Do you mean "sh <program>" ? |
| 05:24.28 | malt | I got a shell but ./ is blocked but they allow like 5 proceses |
| 05:24.44 | malt | so i am guessing there is another way to run files |
| 05:24.56 | malt | or a setup |
| 05:24.59 | pstickne | "./ is blocked" == ?? |
| 05:25.01 | dendrite | malt: What error do you get when you try ./<prog> |
| 05:25.17 | dendrite | pstickne: Unless ~ is noexec. |
| 05:25.26 | muhoo | ah, it.s starting to make sense now... |
| 05:25.34 | pstickne | dendrite, hmm? |
| 05:25.34 | muhoo | ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1c.0[A] -> GSI 17 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 |
| 05:25.54 | malt | nvm sh worked |
| 05:25.55 | malt | thanks |
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| 05:26.08 | dendrite | pstickne: malt has some cheap shell provider. Maybe /home partition is mounted noexec. |
| 05:26.10 | malt | i was always use to doing ./ file to run a setup |
| 05:26.11 | pstickne | malt, what do you mean by blocked btw? |
| 05:26.19 | pstickne | dendrite, ohh |
| 05:26.22 | muhoo | seems to mean.. that device has its LNK as A, not sure what GSI means yet, but the chip is programmed to assign it to IRQ 16 |
| 05:26.29 | dendrite | malt: We're curious. What error did you get with ./? |
| 05:26.41 | muhoo | or, does it mean that the kernel is deciding to assign it to IRQ 16? hmm. |
| 05:26.44 | DemonJester | malt: that will work if the shebang is in the file, if it isnt then you need to use sh <file> |
| 05:26.58 | Supaplex | operator error, abort, retry, fail? |
| 05:27.05 | dendrite | Supaplex: :P |
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| 05:27.40 | pstickne | uhg, don't remind me of those days |
| 05:27.52 | dendrite | pstickne: 8" floppy, anyone? |
| 05:28.06 | pstickne | dendrite, I started at 5 1/4 |
| 05:28.14 | pstickne | dendrite, I've only actually seen an 8" once |
| 05:28.37 | dendrite | pstickne: Yeah, I really never used 8", but I do remember 180k one sided 5" floppies. |
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| 05:28.50 | pstickne | but those stupid 3.5"s that were used way past their expiration date... |
| 05:29.04 | dendrite | I had the 1337 punch to let me flip the floppy over and use *both* *sides* !!! |
| 05:29.05 | DemonJester | dendrite: I used those and even have a drive up in my attic :-) |
| 05:29.12 | pstickne | dendrite, DS ftw! :) |
| 05:29.23 | Acu | I want to make anybrowser play realmedia and flash movies - it seem rather a masochistic exercise - or a puzzle without solution - is any way that this two basic functions can be made work ? |
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| 05:30.05 | dendrite | DemonJester: I dumpster'd all that crap about 5 or so years ago... |
| 05:30.31 | Supaplex | Acu: only in REM sleep. eg, in your dreams. ahha. :P |
| 05:31.02 | DemonJester | dendrite: I tend to be a pack-rat sometimes.. |
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| 05:31.29 | dendrite | DemonJester: Same here. But after a point, it's like, WTF. I was sad to toss those old CP/M machines though. |
| 05:32.16 | DemonJester | dendrite: hehe I know what you mean.. |
| 05:32.34 | dendrite | Supaplex: OUCH! |
| 05:32.47 | Supaplex | remember those? :-X |
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| 05:32.52 | dendrite | Supaplex: I have been punctured by those... |
| 05:32.53 | Acu | Supaplex: I wonder how can I know who takes care of iceweasel in Debian - are they aware of this minimum requirment for a browser integration? I wish I knew how to make it work as it is so frustrating, time consuming and almost futile exercise |
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| 05:33.12 | rcbarnes | how do I determine where my distro put my X includes? |
| 05:33.18 | rcbarnes | I'm trying to resolve the build error (for khacc) `checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!' |
| 05:33.26 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 05:33.43 | rcbarnes | I'm using grml 0.9 |
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| 05:33.47 | pstickne | rcbarnes, your distro = debian? |
| 05:33.59 | rcbarnes | (which is a debian deriv.) |
| 05:34.00 | pstickne | rcbarnes, are you sure they are even installed? |
| 05:34.06 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: apt-file can tell you which packages contain said files (if you know the filename) |
| 05:34.15 | abrotman | wtf is GRML ? |
| 05:34.19 | ddt | hi... somebody know a nice manual for jabber server installation on sarge? |
| 05:34.24 | pstickne | makes me think of a gremlin :p |
| 05:34.27 | rcbarnes | abrotman: a liveCD based on debian |
| 05:34.33 | abrotman | xfree or xorg ? |
| 05:34.36 | ddt | hi... somebody knows a nice manual for jabber server installation on sarge? |
| 05:34.39 | rcbarnes | xorg |
| 05:34.40 | pstickne | wait, isn't that ubuntu? O.o |
| 05:34.48 | rcbarnes | pstickne: eww. |
| 05:34.50 | abrotman | rcbarnes: if based on etch/sid .. it will be x-dev |
| 05:34.51 | dendrite | rcbarnes: Actually, based on knoppix! |
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| 05:34.56 | muhoo | this is retarded... the bios appears to be 1:1 mapping the GSI's to IRQ's! |
| 05:34.57 | ddt | ive been trying real long with no good results |
| 05:34.57 | pstickne | "live CD based on debian" ^^ |
| 05:35.02 | rcbarnes | dendrite: not any more |
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| 05:35.09 | dendrite | Ah, nowadays based on debian. Right. |
| 05:35.10 | rcbarnes | It's straight off debian now |
| 05:35.42 | muhoo | it is making no attempt to separate them out, even though it can, and should |
| 05:36.17 | rcbarnes | abrotman: that's the package. It wasn't installed |
| 05:36.21 | squisher | muhoo: maybe some limitation of linux for the mac mobos? |
| 05:36.22 | rcbarnes | thanks |
| 05:37.00 | Noah0504 | I want to install etch RC1 and give it a spin. Can I get a basic install from having just the first DVD? |
| 05:37.06 | muhoo | squisher: the bios |
| 05:37.21 | Tallu | Noah0504: I already answered you. |
| 05:37.26 | dendrite | Noah0504: Yes. In fact, you can do a netinstall, which will only download what you need. |
| 05:37.26 | Tallu | Noah0504: even the cd1 is enough |
| 05:37.47 | muhoo | i should boot into freebsd (macosx) and have a look at how it assigns the interrupts. freebsd has a nice little bootloader that lets you muck around with this stuff, and apple has customized the kernel (darwin) |
| 05:37.54 | Noah0504 | Tallu: I'm sorry, I was AFK for a little bit. I didn't see your reply. |
| 05:37.56 | Noah0504 | Thanks. |
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| 05:38.08 | muhoo | aha! maybe that's why the BIOS is so brainless! |
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| 05:38.17 | abrotman | rcbarnes: it's not normally |
| 05:38.17 | muhoo | because apple is using freebsd's tools to do all that stuff |
| 05:38.29 | pstickne | muhoo, on older BIOS setups I used there was an option to let the BIOS handle the IRQ mappings or the OS... |
| 05:38.33 | muhoo | which is fine, anything freebsd can do, linux can do too :-) |
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| 05:38.44 | pstickne | ...and one some there was even an option to reset the mappings. dunno how any of that relates. |
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| 05:39.07 | muhoo | i'd guess it means that this BIOS is permamently set to just get out of the way and let the OS handle it. |
| 05:39.14 | Tallu | Noah0504: no problem. if you have a fast connection i'd just get the netinstall and get the most recent files and select what you want to install |
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| 05:39.25 | muhoo | knowing apple, that's very much their MO. they always default to letting the highest-level software do the most work |
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| 05:39.48 | muhoo | apple doesn't *do* bare metal |
| 05:39.53 | Noah0504 | Tallu: I think I might do that. |
| 05:39.55 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
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| 05:40.08 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 05:40.09 | abrotman | Vaske_Car: ^^ |
| 05:40.23 | malt | sh-3.1$ sh bnc example.conf |
| 05:40.23 | malt | bnc: bnc: cannot execute binary file |
| 05:40.27 | malt | wonder why :( |
| 05:40.56 | pstickne | muhoo, they had that stupid ROM for the longest time ^^ |
| 05:41.55 | muhoo | i just need to understand what is the difference between a LNKA, a GSI, the IRQs as reported by the ACPI "Link" printk's, the IRQ's as reported by ACPI "Interrupt" printk's, and the actual IRQ's in the kernel |
| 05:41.59 | pstickne | according to udevmonitor it recieves the add events... |
| 05:42.01 | Tallu | Noah0504: that's how i usually do my installs, as its faster for me to just get the netinstall and avoid downloading same packages several times :) |
| 05:42.01 | muhoo | TOO MANY LAYERS OF REDIRECTION! auugh... |
| 05:42.05 | dendrite | malt: If you run "mount" does it show your home partition mounted noexec? |
| 05:42.28 | muhoo | because... they're all different, and they mean *something* |
| 05:42.37 | pstickne | ...for the device as a scsi_host but still no device is created :( |
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| 05:43.40 | Noah0504 | Tallu: I'd really like to learn enough where I could attempt LFS (Linux From Scratch), but right now I'm just bouncing around different distros. |
| 05:44.26 | spiritraveller | Noah0504: I have spent 7 years bouncing around different distros... nothing to be ashamed of... at least I think it isn't. |
| 05:44.47 | Noah0504 | spiritraveller: haha |
| 05:45.16 | spiritraveller | always liked debian though... nice to be running it again |
| 05:45.18 | dendrite | malt: Please don't msg me, and use a paste bot, if you need to paste stuff. Thanks. |
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| 05:45.26 | krenin | Hello. |
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| 05:45.37 | malt | dendrite it look like it was blocked? |
| 05:45.41 | Tallu | Noah0504: well, it's nothing to be ashamed of really. i have to deal with different flavors every now and then, i just prefer debian. a lot. |
| 05:46.11 | pstickne | I was preferring debian until it decided to break itself ^^ |
| 05:46.20 | dendrite | malt: No, but I'm skeptical that there was no separate /home partition. |
| 05:46.33 | Noah0504 | Tallu: Well, I'm pretty much coming from Ubuntu. I like it a lot, but I thought I'd give Debian a spin since Ubuntu is built on top of it. |
| 05:47.08 | rcbarnes | Well. That didn't work. |
| 05:47.17 | rcbarnes | How do I see what files a packages owns? |
| 05:47.45 | clever | apt-file i beleive |
| 05:48.08 | Noah0504 | I wish I could find a distro that was a mix between Ubuntu and FC. I love Ubuntu, but I like the way FC updates it's packages to the newest version (for the most part). I suppose I should just learn to build packages myself, but so far I haven't had the best luck with that. |
| 05:48.22 | dendrite | rcbarnes: dpkg -L <package> |
| 05:48.25 | clever | i had to manualy apt-get it and then apt-file update before being able to search thru its data |
| 05:48.31 | rcbarnes | dendrite: Ah. |
| 05:48.33 | pstickne | I want to kill debian!! :> |
| 05:48.46 | rcbarnes | And now I see that package never installed. |
| 05:48.49 | rcbarnes | That's nice. |
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| 05:49.01 | clever | ahh dpkg -L also works:D |
| 05:49.17 | muhoo | heh, cool: http://www.xml.com/ldd/chapter/book/ch15.html |
| 05:49.34 | spiritraveller | I want to rebuild a debian package with different configure options... Can someone point me to a good tutorial for that? |
| 05:50.58 | Supaplex | spiritraveller: apt-get source foo ; vim foo-1.1/debian/rules |
| 05:51.24 | Supaplex | oh, and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 05:51.31 | spiritraveller | will try that... thanks Supaplex. |
| 05:51.50 | rcbarnes | dendrite: well, x-dev didn't actually install anything useful... just itself and x11proto-core-dev |
| 05:52.01 | rcbarnes | any other ideas where the X includes might be? |
| 05:52.47 | pstickne | holy cow; udev rules are insane |
| 05:53.07 | clever | how insane?:P |
| 05:53.10 | pstickne | rcbarnes, try snuggling with find? |
| 05:53.31 | pstickne | clever, they make cisco routing rules look like a kindergarten book |
| 05:53.34 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: do you know which include file you're looking for? |
| 05:53.39 | clever | lol |
| 05:53.54 | clever | i think i wrote a udev file a while back |
| 05:53.54 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: I don't. My error is `checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 05:54.09 | clever | to make shure 1 eth card was lan0 and the other would allways be wan0 |
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| 05:54.20 | Supaplex | view the log, maybe there's a transcript of the foobared attempt. |
| 05:54.29 | rcbarnes | pstickne: I've done looking around in aptitude/its find. |
| 05:55.10 | pstickne | rcbarnes, boo to that. do a search on your system for X.h |
| 05:55.14 | nvz | before I upgraded to etch I was able to use xgamma -gamma to adjust the gamma in xfree now it has no effect what-so-ever.. is there some way I can adjust the gamma? |
| 05:55.23 | pstickne | it should likely be under a X11 directory |
| 05:55.58 | rcbarnes | pstickne: nothing (except some htmls) |
| 05:56.03 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: did you check configure.log (or whatever it is) |
| 05:56.15 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: I'm looking, but it's not very clear |
| 05:56.19 | pstickne | rcbarnes, then they aren't installed. |
| 05:56.21 | rcbarnes | tons of random stuff in there |
| 05:56.32 | pstickne | rcbarnes, or you didn't do an exhaustive enough search |
| 05:56.33 | Vaske_Car | abrotman, is vsound comman line program or with GUI? |
| 05:56.46 | rcbarnes | pstickne: is there a way to search for a non-installed package containing X.h? |
| 05:56.50 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: search part of the failure message, start at the bottom |
| 05:56.54 | rcbarnes | in aptitude or such? |
| 05:56.59 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: apt-file |
| 05:57.40 | Supaplex | eg, apt-file search foo.h |
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| 05:57.55 | rcbarnes | clay@HAL3000L ~ % apt-file search X.h |
| 05:57.56 | rcbarnes | clay@HAL3000L ~ % |
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| 05:58.18 | Supaplex | 1, you have to update. 2, you're not certian it's X.h right? |
| 05:58.20 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: I'm at that point in the log (that produced the error) |
| 05:58.35 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: updating now, 2) I'm not sure |
| 05:58.44 | pstickne | Supaplex, it's X.h in xorg 6.9+, don't know about others |
| 05:59.16 | Supaplex | x11proto-core-dev: usr/include/X11/X.h |
| 05:59.43 | pstickne | well, maybe after 500MB of updates this stupid udev problem will fix itself (yes, udev is one of the update packages) |
| 06:00.01 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: I've got that file |
| 06:00.11 | rcbarnes | and package |
| 06:00.33 | pstickne | so exactly what does configure say is missing? :( |
| 06:00.44 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: what are you trying to compile? |
| 06:00.51 | rcbarnes | pstickne: nothing more specific than I've said |
| 06:00.58 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: qhacc |
| 06:01.09 | Supaplex | from debian sources, or elsewhere? |
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| 06:01.39 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: elsewhere. I didn't find it in aptitude (with my repos) |
| 06:01.42 | Supaplex | elsewhere apparently. Where is it? |
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| 06:02.15 | rcbarnes | where is what? |
| 06:02.22 | rcbarnes | khacc's site? |
| 06:02.45 | Supaplex | found it. yes. :p |
| 06:02.57 | Supaplex | hah cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.qhacc.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.209):2401 failed: No route to host |
| 06:03.16 | rcbarnes | looks like XtMalloc() is in the file that's causing the issues, possibly? |
| 06:03.19 | Supaplex | interesting proggie. |
| 06:03.42 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: Yeah. I though it might be helpful. |
| 06:03.54 | pstickne | what is it supposed to do? |
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| 06:04.11 | rcbarnes | Plus I eat out too often. This'll get me to really believe the expense... |
| 06:04.17 | rcbarnes | pstickne: Accounting. |
| 06:04.24 | rcbarnes | (personal/home) |
| 06:04.41 | pstickne | there is always gnucash *rolls eyes* |
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| 06:05.07 | rcbarnes | pstickne: as there is cutting out of eyes. |
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| 06:06.36 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: does the tarball help any in finding the problem? |
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| 06:08.26 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: work in progress. :p |
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| 06:09.13 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: are you trying with khacc or qhacc? |
| 06:10.12 | unlink | AHA!!!! it's the preemptible kernel option that breaks my sata controller! |
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| 06:10.55 | crazy_bus | I'm having apt-get errors again. Can anyone help me fix them? |
| 06:11.22 | unlink | only took me 12 hours to figure out! |
| 06:12.08 | Supaplex | unlink: is it a regresion? BUG-HUNTING in the kernel docs can be very usefull. |
| 06:12.17 | unlink | no |
| 06:12.19 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: qhacc |
| 06:12.19 | unlink | the driver is brand new |
| 06:12.26 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 06:12.32 | malt | anybody know of any free shell places that is on debian? |
| 06:12.34 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: well that one is complaining about not hacing Moc precompiler |
| 06:12.36 | unlink | Supaplex: well, sort of |
| 06:12.52 | unlink | Supaplex: ahci and ata_piix are not brand new, but they only recently support this chipset |
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| 06:14.00 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: yea. run script first, then sh -x configure, then exit. view the type script and see what's a few lines above the printed error. sh -x will get real noisy. |
| 06:14.07 | unlink | Supaplex: it affects every kernel up to the latest patchlevel |
| 06:14.16 | unlink | s/patchlevel/release candidate |
| 06:14.21 | unlink | which is also affected |
| 06:14.47 | unlink | well, i have my work cut out for me |
| 06:14.52 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: you need qt3-dev-tools for Moc precompiler |
| 06:16.00 | Supaplex | qt includes. la la la.. |
| 06:16.34 | unlink | do you know why these drivers behave differently with CONFIG_PREEMPT when there are no #ifdefs in either ata_piix or ahci? |
| 06:16.42 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: this is really a messy, and uninformative, config script |
| 06:16.56 | unlink | in fact, there is no such thing in all of libata |
| 06:17.01 | rcbarnes | or perhaps I'm just ignorant (coming off of Gentoo) |
| 06:17.06 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: I agree. |
| 06:17.22 | Supaplex | it's hard to be ignorant on gentoo and get anywhere. |
| 06:17.23 | rcbarnes | Gentoo has a lot of nice features... but the mantainance time just isn't worth it. |
| 06:17.32 | Supaplex | *nod* |
| 06:18.11 | unlink | who can i work with debugging with? |
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| 06:18.24 | rcbarnes | I'd be worried about anthropomorphizing a distro... but a person wouldn't purr. |
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| 06:20.17 | Supaplex | oh this looks fun... |
| 06:20.29 | mini_ | How can ubuntu support my SATA HD, but debian doesn't? |
| 06:20.51 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: ...and the script can't find qt-moc in /usr/bin |
| 06:20.57 | Supaplex | mini_: they're different? we don't track what they do. What kernel are you using that works? |
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| 06:21.30 | mini_ | Well ubuntu is debian based |
| 06:21.41 | Supaplex | !debian like |
| 06:21.46 | Supaplex | !debian based |
| 06:21.47 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 06:22.04 | mini_ | oh |
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| 06:22.12 | Supaplex | that's great it's debian based, but it's still *not* the same. |
| 06:22.26 | Tallu | And we cant possibly offer support based on how it works in ubuntu |
| 06:22.31 | Supaplex | it's like redhat package system on mandriva. clearly different distros. |
| 06:22.52 | Tallu | You'd probably be better off just asking why it doesnt work, instead of asking why doesn't it work, when it works in ubuntu :p |
| 06:22.57 | mini_ | ok |
| 06:23.01 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: are you getting past the Moc part? |
| 06:23.03 | mini_ | why doesnt debian support SATA HD's? |
| 06:23.10 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: installing build deps, still. |
| 06:23.24 | rcbarnes | I'm blocked there even with qt3-dev-tools |
| 06:23.28 | Supaplex | mini_: it does, but you might have to build your own kernel. /msg dpkg kp |
| 06:23.29 | rcbarnes | installed |
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| 06:23.48 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: I'm running etch. how about you? |
| 06:24.25 | rcbarnes | I'm not sure. I know GRML uses debian repos. and is just a bunch of scripts on top of it, but I don't know beyond that. |
| 06:24.50 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: is there a way to tell? |
| 06:25.29 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: depends on what's in your sources.list. stable=sarge, testing=etch, unstable=sid |
| 06:26.07 | rcbarnes | unstable |
| 06:26.28 | Supaplex | ahh. ok. somewhat odd if you already have the two I suggested installed. |
| 06:27.54 | Supaplex | I guess it don't like qt4? humm. |
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| 06:29.15 | rcbarnes | I'm getting rather annoyed with this project. I shouldn't be this hard to build a program even from source. |
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| 06:30.17 | Supaplex | so far so good with qt3. |
| 06:30.52 | krenin | So what's up tonight? |
| 06:31.01 | rcbarnes | I'm this close to doing /accounting in aptitude and installing anything I find instead of qhacc... |
| 06:31.15 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: install libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers, then build with configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3 -q |
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| 06:31.25 | Supaplex | it's still building, but it looks ok still. |
| 06:31.54 | pstickne | well, after all the mucking about trying to find out why udev broke itself I just did a dist upgrade and it fixed itself. yay! |
| 06:31.57 | pstickne | stupid udev. |
| 06:32.12 | Supaplex | pstickne: I love those. <3 :-w |
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| 06:34.27 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: It's installing the packages you suggested. With a nasty ~20 min download estimate... |
| 06:34.43 | pstickne | Supaplex, ohh, now my sound just decided to kill itself :( |
| 06:34.58 | rcbarnes | I *hate* Cox. (Cable provider) |
| 06:35.29 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: Yeah. Damn monopoly. |
| 06:35.39 | rcbarnes | And the local DSL is even worse than the Cable. |
| 06:35.46 | Supaplex | DIYDDIYD |
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| 06:35.52 | rcbarnes | Like 1/8 this aweful speed. |
| 06:36.01 | rcbarnes | DIYDDUID? |
| 06:36.06 | Supaplex | I have 7mbit/800k |
| 06:36.16 | Supaplex | damned if you do/don't |
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| 06:36.29 | pstickne | Is there a proper way to setup sound so esound in KDE will work (besides just chmod a+w /dev/dsp like I just did ^^) |
| 06:36.32 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: we pay for that. And get aboud 900/100k |
| 06:36.43 | rcbarnes | yea, I do mean bits |
| 06:36.44 | Supaplex | ouch :-/ |
| 06:36.52 | pstickne | rcbarnes, sucks ass. |
| 06:36.55 | Supaplex | yea, bits here to. |
| 06:37.14 | rcbarnes | pstickne: I plan to burn the company |
| 06:37.16 | pstickne | I pay for it and can get 6+MBit down through-put normally :P |
| 06:37.24 | rcbarnes | after I get my old apt. complex |
| 06:37.43 | rcbarnes | Slumlords. *grumble* I lasted almost 2 months... |
| 06:37.49 | pstickne | rcbarnes, just burn everything. |
| 06:38.02 | Supaplex | apt-get remove --purge cox-cable |
| 06:38.06 | Brimstone | I'm trying to downgrade an etch install to sarge. After a gruling combinating of dist-upgrades and upgrades, I can't seem to install kernel-image-2.6. Anyone have any ideas or tips? |
| 06:38.12 | rcbarnes | pstickne: Yeah. At least N. Am. |
| 06:38.20 | rcbarnes | Then flee to Deutschland! |
| 06:38.24 | Tallu | Brimstone: yeah, reinstall. :) |
| 06:38.27 | Supaplex | Brimstone: downgrading isn't supported. it's suppose to break. |
| 06:38.39 | pstickne | rcbarnes, Bleib heir! ^^ |
| 06:38.44 | pstickne | dammit. |
| 06:38.47 | pstickne | I suck. |
| 06:38.55 | pstickne | "heir" ... |
| 06:38.57 | Brimstone | Tallu, Supaplex, that's what I was afraid of, I guess I'll have to do that then |
| 06:38.57 | Supaplex | !downgrade |
| 06:38.57 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 06:39.10 | Brimstone | I wasn't sure if there was a better way of doing it without downgrading |
| 06:39.14 | Brimstone | erm, reinstalling |
| 06:39.18 | Tallu | Brimstone: why do you want to downgrade though? etch will be the new stable very soon |
| 06:39.40 | Brimstone | It boils down to me needing Xfree86 4.3 for this touchscreen driver |
| 06:39.50 | rcbarnes | pstickne: and wo is dass? |
| 06:39.53 | pstickne | will sid move to the new testing then or will there be another branch? |
| 06:39.57 | Brimstone | as mmmtouch is released as a binary only |
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| 06:40.11 | Supaplex | pstickne: sid doesn't just move. |
| 06:40.12 | rcbarnes | And i missed like three leters in that... |
| 06:40.20 | pstickne | rcbarnes, WA :p |
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| 06:40.34 | rcbarnes | Das ist keine Deutschland! |
| 06:40.36 | Supaplex | I forget the factoid for dpkg on that. |
| 06:41.01 | Brimstone | Alright, thanks anyway guys |
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| 06:41.06 | pstickne | Aber das wetter is immer gut. |
| 06:41.18 | Supaplex | pstickne: when etch releases as stable, something else will take etchs' place, and sid packages will flow down to testing as time permits (holding period) |
| 06:41.23 | Supaplex | !de |
| 06:41.24 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 06:41.27 | Supaplex | :P |
| 06:41.47 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: honestly, I'm tempted to set up an apt-get install EVERYTHING-THAT-WON'T-CONFLICT and hope for the best. |
| 06:41.50 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 06:42.09 | rcbarnes | That'll satisfy all the dependencies I'd hit with... :-D |
| 06:42.11 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: toss in rh5.2 cds 1-3 while you're at it. ;) |
| 06:42.20 | unlink | is there a kernel channel? |
| 06:42.29 | Supaplex | unlink: #kernel |
| 06:42.46 | Supaplex | they disgiused it so well, no one would think of the obvious. |
| 06:43.04 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: Well, after my upgrade (my computer got fried by bad wiring) I'll have a 1.4 TB RAID5 array for my HDD. |
| 06:43.09 | rcbarnes | I'll have the space for it. |
| 06:43.40 | pstickne | rcbarnes, and how much ascii pr0n can that hold? you can never have too many lewd 7-bit characters! |
| 06:44.15 | rcbarnes | pstickne: well, about 1.4 trillion characters of it... |
| 06:44.31 | rcbarnes | Make 'em one terminal size and... |
| 06:44.57 | krenin | Hey have you guys tried 48 kHz upsampling with xmms-crossfade... |
| 06:45.00 | krenin | It sounds really good... |
| 06:45.01 | pstickne | 80-columns or 132? |
| 06:45.13 | rcbarnes | Hm... Had to call. |
| 06:45.19 | rcbarnes | 132 by what? |
| 06:45.29 | pstickne | I think 43. |
| 06:45.35 | pstickne | maybe 50. |
| 06:45.40 | pstickne | more is just silly |
| 06:46.19 | rcbarnes | about 237 million of 'em |
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| 06:46.28 | pstickne | whoohoo! |
| 06:47.20 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: It's still not finding my Moc |
| 06:47.42 | rcbarnes | and I already installed libqt3-mt-dev libqt3-headers and qt3-dev-tools |
| 06:48.49 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: sit tight for a min. I'm uploading the built binaries. |
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| 06:50.39 | rcbarnes | Ha! I got it. I had to spefify more crap, but I got it. |
| 06:50.44 | rcbarnes | I think |
| 06:50.51 | rcbarnes | the compile isn't done yet. |
| 06:51.24 | Supaplex | upload eta 2.5min |
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| 06:51.44 | rcbarnes | pstickne: In regard to the pr0n... I bet I could use bz2 to get at least triple that. |
| 06:51.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf, azeem: Boo. |
| 06:52.01 | rcbarnes | I bet I could have a billion ascii pr0n images on my array. |
| 06:52.08 | rcbarnes | how sweet would *that* be? |
| 06:52.13 | srobert | I'm trying get an old hard drive working in an enclosure. I've recompiled the kernel with scsi and usb support but I'm not detecting any sd devices. Any ideas? |
| 06:52.15 | pstickne | rcbarnes, I think you're shoot incredibly low... large text files zip incredibly well ^^ |
| 06:52.39 | rcbarnes | pstickne: you think? You think I could get over 2 billion? |
| 06:52.41 | pstickne | rcbarnes, largest p0rn gallery on the net* |
| 06:52.42 | Supaplex | srobert: does lsusb show anything relavant? (don't paste more then one line) |
| 06:53.04 | rcbarnes | There's something for Guinnes Book! |
| 06:53.07 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: 50s left |
| 06:53.28 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: well, if this builds, I fear the bandwith might be for naught! |
| 06:53.33 | rcbarnes | How long a compile is it? |
| 06:53.37 | srobert | Supaplex: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE Adapter |
| 06:53.53 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: I uploaded it to http://users.surfthe.us/scotte/linux/ |
| 06:54.05 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: well, I may need that. Thanks. |
| 06:54.11 | pstickne | srobert, apt-get update and upgrade. then reboot and cross your fingers. it worked here ^^ |
| 06:54.16 | rcbarnes | static linking? |
| 06:54.18 | Supaplex | srobert: humm I think I have one of those. does it have firewire to? :) |
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| 06:54.40 | srobert | Supaplex No Firewire |
| 06:54.42 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: no |
| 06:54.51 | Supaplex | srobert: k. just wondering. |
| 06:55.18 | ferguscan | I have a kernel module that I can't remove. When I try, I am told it is "in use". How can I find out which process is using it? |
| 06:55.50 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: well, we'll see how my build turns out |
| 06:56.26 | Supaplex | srobert: ah ha. Bus 002 Device 004: ID 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB-2.0 IDE Adapter |
| 06:56.29 | czr | ferguscan, lsmod | grep modulename. is the reference count > 0? |
| 06:56.30 | Supaplex | me to. :) |
| 06:56.35 | Wyzard | rcbarnes: How many drives in your array? |
| 06:57.02 | Supaplex | srobert: works here, is usb_storage loaded? |
| 06:57.24 | rcbarnes | Wyzard: 8---7 live, one hot spare |
| 06:57.30 | srobert | Supaplex: lsmod reports usb-storage module is running. |
| 06:57.37 | Wyzard | rcbarnes: not bad |
| 06:57.41 | rcbarnes | brb |
| 06:57.42 | Supaplex | srobert: anything in /proc/partitions? |
| 06:58.04 | Wyzard | rcbarnes: I have three Seagate 750s here |
| 06:58.23 | muhoo | where could i get scanpci on an xorg system? |
| 06:58.45 | muhoo | a script needs scanpci, not lspci |
| 06:58.48 | czr | Wyzard, have you measured their perf? |
| 06:58.58 | ferguscan | czr, In Use = 1 |
| 06:59.25 | czr | ferguscan, then it might be in use by another module, or a program. some modules cannot be unloaded no matter what (ipv6) |
| 06:59.25 | srobert | Supaplex: /proc/partitions says sda and my hda drive of course hda1, Hda2, etc |
| 06:59.34 | czr | ferguscan, you tried modprobe -r modulename? |
| 06:59.47 | Supaplex | srobert: sdX would be the usb hdd. |
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| 07:00.20 | ferguscan | czr, that's exactly my problem. It probably is in use by a program. I want to know which one. |
| 07:00.39 | ferguscan | czr, FATAL: Module speedstep_centrino is in use. |
| 07:00.40 | czr | ferguscan, there is no general tool for that. what driver is it? |
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| 07:01.08 | czr | ah, that one. try to kill all dynamic cpu control programs (cpuspeed, dynfreqd etc) |
| 07:01.25 | Wyzard | czr: Only informally with hdparm, but it tells me the drives themselves read about 70MB/sec and the array reads about 80 |
| 07:01.54 | Supaplex | bye bye yesterday! |
| 07:02.16 | czr | Wyzard, ah. yeah. hdparm only reads from the start so that doesn't tell much :-). 70 is not bad |
| 07:02.21 | ferguscan | czr, killed all, such that ps afx | fgrep -i cpu yields nothing. Still in use, however. |
| 07:02.46 | Wyzard | czr: Actual performance is lower because I'm using dm-crypt and LVM on top of the array |
| 07:03.07 | ferguscan | czr, sucks hard that I can't trace it to a particular process. |
| 07:03.23 | czr | Wyzard, dm-crypt doesn't affect anything (unless you have a very slow cpu), LVM neither unless the LVs are very fragmented |
| 07:03.31 | czr | ferguscan, join #wrench |
| 07:03.51 | ferguscan | czr, thanks for the help. |
| 07:03.52 | Supaplex | ps, you generally cannot kill kernel threads from the shell. |
| 07:03.55 | srobert | Supaplex: I tried "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda /mnt" and it returned: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, Would you expect this from what I've said so far? |
| 07:04.23 | Supaplex | srobert: try file -ks /dev/sda |
| 07:04.36 | Wyzard | czr: dm-crypt does make a difference even on a fast CPU... my swapspace is an encrypted RAID-0 of three 1GB partitions at the end of the three drives, and I did a test using dd to overwrite the entire 3GB device, both below and above the crypto layer |
| 07:04.41 | czr | ferguscan, on my system the speedstep_centrino is used by 'processor' module, which is related to acpi, so acpid would be the process, but I'd think twice before killing it |
| 07:04.56 | unlink | aha |
| 07:04.59 | srobert | Supaplex: /dev/sda: ERROR: cannot read `/dev/sda' (Input/output error) |
| 07:05.00 | unlink | it's not preemption at all |
| 07:05.02 | Wyzard | czr: On the raw RAID-0, it wrote about 130MB/sec... on the dm-crypt device, it wrote about 80 |
| 07:05.05 | czr | Wyzard, well, it didn't make any difference in my case (RAID1) |
| 07:05.23 | Wyzard | czr: and that's on a Core 2 Duo E6600 with nothing else of any significance running at the time |
| 07:05.23 | Supaplex | srobert: sda would be the entire disk. sure it's not sda[1-4] ? ahh, it's inaccessible. Is that drive known working good? |
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| 07:05.51 | czr | Wyzard, ah, sry, I had dm-crypt on one drive only, not swraid. but still, no difference |
| 07:05.55 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: ...and qh[tab] isn't finding anything... |
| 07:06.16 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: did you make install? |
| 07:06.33 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: yup |
| 07:06.40 | rcbarnes | do I have to ldconfig, too? |
| 07:06.43 | Wyzard | czr: fwiw, I'm using aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 |
| 07:06.43 | Supaplex | I wonder where it installed to. |
| 07:06.51 | Wyzard | czr: I haven't tried aes-cbc-plain |
| 07:07.10 | Supaplex | I hope make install would take care of ldconfig, if needed. |
| 07:07.37 | srobert | Supaplex: mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 (2-4) returns /dev/sdax is not valid block device |
| 07:07.37 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: I'm running out of ideas. try a support request on the sf.net project. |
| 07:07.38 | czr | Wyzard, hmh. not sure what luks uses by default, but aes256 is the workhorse as well. http://koltsoff.com/pub/blockspeed/ (grep for "note04-igor-HTS" to locate the correct graph) |
| 07:07.43 | rcbarnes | yeah, configure [...] && make && make install |
| 07:07.58 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: did your build make a useable executable? |
| 07:08.03 | Wyzard | czr: I believe luks defaults to aes-cbc-plain |
| 07:08.04 | Supaplex | srobert: nm sda* right now. is the drive known to work? |
| 07:08.06 | pstickne | srobert, cat /proc/partitions |
| 07:08.23 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: mostly. let me install it in a debootstrap. |
| 07:08.25 | czr | Wyzard, lemme check |
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| 07:09.35 | czr | Wyzard, hmh, is there any proc/sys-file that lists which combo is in used? |
| 07:09.41 | Supaplex | !tell P_Kable -about away |
| 07:09.51 | P_Kable | sorry |
| 07:09.54 | P_Kable | :) |
| 07:10.06 | P_Kable | it won't kill you guys |
| 07:10.09 | Wyzard | czr: "cryptsetup luksDump" on the device |
| 07:10.11 | P_Kable | :) |
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| 07:10.28 | Supaplex | P_Kable: fix it or, we'll fix you :) |
| 07:10.29 | Wyzard | czr: Look for "Cipher mode:" |
| 07:10.52 | Supaplex | !fix Riskie |
| 07:10.54 | czr | Wyzard, aes:cbc-essiv:sha256 |
| 07:11.05 | Wyzard | czr: OK, that's good to know... I thought it defaulted to plain |
| 07:11.09 | srobert | Supaplex: It was an internal hd in an old machine. I booted it and checked data on it prior to placing it in this new enclosure. The old machine of course recognized it under hda or hdb. |
| 07:11.29 | czr | Wyzard, it might depend on version, /me shrugs. |
| 07:11.53 | czr | Wyzard, but I didn't use any specific parameters when creating the crypto devs with it, so that's the default on my system at least :-) |
| 07:12.10 | Supaplex | srobert: does sda disappear from /proc/partitions shortly after you remove the usb cable for it? |
| 07:12.15 | Wyzard | czr: btw, the reason AES is good for encrypted disks is that even though it's not the fastest cipher for actually encrypting things, it's very fast to initialize, and disk encryption typically reinitializes the cipher for every sector |
| 07:12.35 | rcbarnes | Sonofa... |
| 07:12.44 | czr | Wyzard, yeah, I know. |
| 07:12.50 | rcbarnes | segfault? |
| 07:13.10 | srobert | Supaplex: No, I removed the cable and sda is still in /proc/partitions |
| 07:13.27 | Supaplex | srobert: even after 15-20s? |
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| 07:14.13 | czr | Wyzard, I'll add CPU usage graphing later to blockspeed, but maybe you're right. when I just dd over the crypted device, kcryptd/0 will hog some 53% CPU |
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| 07:14.16 | dirkson | Hey all. If I wanted to move my linux install from a 40GB eide HD to a 250GB sataII HD, would dd work, or mess everything up? |
| 07:14.35 | czr | Wyzard, with faster disks (two disks) I'd imagine one would saturate one CPU completely with AES. |
| 07:14.58 | czr | in my case there's only one disk (a laptop 7200 RPM one), so I don't hit the CPU bottleneck |
| 07:15.06 | Supaplex | dirkson: dd should work ok. rsync might be better, so you don't have to resize the partition when you're done. |
| 07:15.11 | peterS | dirkson: if you just make an exact image copy of the one hard drive to the other, you won't actually gain any space, it will look like a 40GB sataII hard disk |
| 07:15.39 | srobert | Supaplex: No sda is still in /proc/partitions with the cable out after a minute |
| 07:15.43 | peterS | dirkson: what I'd do instead is partition and format the second drive, mount it on /mnt, then 'cp -ax / /mnt'. then chroot to /mnt and do the grub stuff |
| 07:15.50 | czr | Wyzard, although top seems to be pretty useless for these things. /me kicks top |
| 07:15.52 | dirkson | Supaplex, Oooh, that sounds nice. |
| 07:16.00 | Supaplex | srobert: I beg to differ if that drive ever spawned sda. :p |
| 07:17.09 | srobert | Supaplex: Hmm. There is no other sd in /proc/partitions. Only hda. |
| 07:17.30 | czr | Wyzard, btw, if you take a look at the graphs, you might notice that just using hdparm -tT doesn't really help in many cases :-) |
| 07:17.55 | Wyzard | czr: yeah, that's why I said I "informally" tested with hdparm... I know it doesn't tell nearly the whole story |
| 07:18.14 | dirkson | peterS, I think that might work. just grub-install ? |
| 07:18.32 | czr | Wyzard, indeed. http://koltsoff.com/pub/15kscsi.png (smt that I'm working on, the grapher and the measurement system) |
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| 07:18.45 | Supaplex | srobert: it just works for me. no idea why. has for a long time. :) maybe it's udev or something. |
| 07:18.47 | peterS | dirkson: yeah, after making sure the right map is set up in /boot/grub/device.map |
| 07:19.16 | Wyzard | czr: cool |
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| 07:19.19 | dirkson | peterS, Gotcha |
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| 07:19.34 | peterS | dirkson: grub-install might insist on /proc being mounted inside the chroot, etc. |
| 07:19.49 | Wyzard | czr: I don't see any "blockspeed" package in Debian though :-P |
| 07:19.59 | czr | Wyzard, I wonder why ;-) |
| 07:20.11 | dirkson | peterS, Not a big deal, as I remember |
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| 07:20.35 | czr | Wyzard, there are some pretty pictures done with an older version of the autographer on http://koltsoff.com/pub/blockspeed2/ . it includes some pretty weird sector maps ;-) |
| 07:20.52 | peterS | dirkson: also the 'cp -ax / /mnt' command doesn't descend into other mounted filesystems - so it doesn't recurse into /mnt or /proc, but if you have separate /usr and /home and /var and /boot and such, you'll have to take that into account |
| 07:21.00 | srobert | Supaplex: udev, hmm. I always see an error message at boot telling me udev needs a 2.6 kernel. I'm using 2.4 Anyway, Thanks for your efforts. I'm obliged. |
| 07:21.49 | dirkson | peterS, Ok. I've got my /boot separated out. (Debian won't let me have /boot be xfs. Waaah!) |
| 07:22.08 | Supaplex | srobert: ahh. then I think you need hotplug instead. |
| 07:22.10 | peterS | dirkson: so yeah you'll need to duplicate that little thing on the new disk, but I guess you knew that |
| 07:22.51 | czr | Wyzard, anyhow, I bought the usb/ide lacie thingy, has a 320G 7200.10 in it and I'm thinking of opening the package to get direct access to the disk. after that might put up some graphs with those |
| 07:22.52 | peterS | dirkson: but I wonder why debian won't let you have xfs /boot - grub does support it these days |
| 07:23.04 | dirkson | peterS, Oh yeah. Going down to add new SATA drive. brb |
| 07:24.34 | srobert | Supaplex: Hotplug. I'll follow up on that tomorrow. Thanks again. |
| 07:24.38 | eMish__ | How can I have the 'status' option when doing '/etc/init.d/xyz status' ? |
| 07:25.25 | Supaplex | eMish__: have for what/why? something you write, or something already in there? have in what way? |
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| 07:26.43 | eMish__ | Supaplex: just got used to having /etc/init.d/xyz status in the other Distro I switched to debina from |
| 07:27.00 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: ahh, it looks like prefix is mixed up. |
| 07:28.01 | Supaplex | eMish__: ok, any one init script you need status on? |
| 07:28.07 | eMish__ | ssh |
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| 07:28.30 | Halitherses | Where can i get the deccs .deb file? |
| 07:28.42 | Halitherses | decss |
| 07:28.56 | unlink | i have two hosts on this network, each of which sends their host name via dhcp. one of them doesn't seem to register in dns. is there any other important setting to dhclient apart from send host-name ""; ? |
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| 07:29.50 | Gnea | Halitherses: there's a decss .deb file? |
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| 07:30.38 | Halitherses | gnea, yes there is I downloaded it last week. |
| 07:30.47 | muhoo | the debian system of versioning libs is screwing me up |
| 07:30.58 | linux_jones | i have an mp3 player i connect to my computer, is it mounted at /mnt/sda? thats what it says in dmesg |
| 07:31.00 | muhoo | a ton of apps link to libjack-0.100.0.so.0 |
| 07:31.02 | Gnea | Halitherses: url? |
| 07:31.32 | muhoo | but i need to replace jackd with jackdmp, and its install tries to rename libjack.so to old_libjack.so, and link libjack.so to libjackdmp.so |
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| 07:31.53 | muhoo | none of this works on debian, because there *is* no libjack.so, it's libjack-0.100.0.so.0 |
| 07:31.57 | Halitherses | If i remembered the url why would i bother you in here? |
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| 07:32.06 | dirkson | peterS, Heya again : ) |
| 07:32.13 | peterS | dirkson: so how's the sata disk? |
| 07:32.18 | Wyzard | muhoo: jackdmp is at fault in that case... Debian is following the accepted conventions for managing shared libraries in Linux |
| 07:32.33 | peterS | dirkson: I trust you remembered to rename your devices in /etc/fstab (/dev/hda -> /dev/sda)? |
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| 07:32.40 | muhoo | Wyzard: hmm. ok, i'll kick it back at them then. |
| 07:32.50 | Gnea | Halitherses: if you can't remember the url, then perhaps you could've remembered how you found it in the first place. |
| 07:32.53 | dirkson | peterS, No, no, I haven't done the copy yet; Just added the disk to the system : ) |
| 07:32.57 | peterS | ahhh |
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| 07:33.59 | Halitherses | gnea, I used google but now the link is not there. |
| 07:34.13 | Supaplex | eMish__: here's a one liner. if test -e /proc/`cat /var/run/sshd.pid 2>/dev/null`/environ ; then echo PASS ; else echo FAIL ; fi |
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| 07:34.19 | Wyzard | muhoo: libjack.so is in the package libjack0.100.0-dev, and it's a symlink to libjack0.100.0.so.0 |
| 07:34.26 | Gnea | Halitherses: are you done? |
| 07:34.36 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: how do I fix that? |
| 07:34.43 | peterS | dirkson: you may need to regenerate your kernel initrd as well, I forgot to mention - after you change your root=/dev/hda2 to root=/dev/sda2 in grub menu.lst - to make sure the initrd loads the sd_mod module plus the module for your sata chip, in case this is not already happening. might require a bit of fun in /etc/kernel-img.conf depending on which mkinitrd you've got |
| 07:34.50 | Halitherses | gnea, no are you? |
| 07:35.02 | Wyzard | muhoo: The libjack.so symlink is provided for compiling programs -- you just put "-ljack" on the linker's command line |
| 07:35.06 | Gnea | Halitherses: the package you are requesting doesn't exist. |
| 07:35.15 | Wyzard | muhoo: but the resulting executable depends on libjack0.100.0.so.0 |
| 07:35.27 | peterS | Supaplex: wtf, why are you reading the process environment? |
| 07:35.36 | Halitherses | yes it does. |
| 07:35.51 | Gnea | i have yet to see proof. |
| 07:36.03 | Wyzard | muhoo: That way if a new version of libjack breaks ABI compatibility, it can be called libjack0.100.0.so.1, and the libjack.so symlink will point to it instead |
| 07:36.06 | Gnea | and yet, i can play dvds just fine. |
| 07:36.23 | peterS | Supaplex: may as well just kill -0 $(cat /var/run/sshd.pid), much simpler |
| 07:36.32 | Halitherses | gnea, is not that proof enough? |
| 07:36.33 | Wyzard | muhoo: so newly-compiled programs will use the new libjack, but existing programs linked to the old libjack will still use the old libjack, and the two libjack versions can be installed side-by-side |
| 07:36.34 | Gnea | !decss |
| 07:36.35 | dpkg | somebody said decss was PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html |
| 07:36.53 | Gnea | Halitherses: only if dabbling in fakeness is your forte. |
| 07:36.54 | Supaplex | peterS: ahh yes. |
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| 07:37.31 | Halitherses | gnea, it is actually. |
| 07:38.48 | Tallu | wow. |
| 07:38.48 | Gnea | Halitherses: that much was apparant from the beginning. |
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| 07:38.54 | Supaplex | eMish__: as peterS suggested, kill -0 $(cat /var/run/sshd.pid) is much simpler. (vs test) |
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| 07:42.53 | cooner750 | How does Linux (Debian specifically) handle multiple processors? |
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| 07:43.11 | Supaplex | cooner750: just fine. use an smp kernel. |
| 07:43.12 | Guerin | cooner750: debian doesn't; linux does. |
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| 07:43.33 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: how do I fix the issue with the dirs? |
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| 07:43.43 | cooner750 | So say I bought a dual-processor server, what can I run on it that will utilize both processors? |
| 07:43.46 | rcbarnes | the prefix issue |
| 07:44.09 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: 20kilos of TNT! I'm part of the I hate qhacc club. come join me. |
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| 07:44.30 | rcbarnes | :-D |
| 07:44.50 | Guerin | cooner750: of course. Same story if you buy a 4, 6, 16, 32, 64 or 128-CPU server |
| 07:45.02 | Guerin | i think you might need to rebild for anything more than 128 CPUs though |
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| 07:45.12 | Guerin | s/6/8/ |
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| 07:45.18 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: if I set the --prefix=/usr/bin/ would that work? |
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| 07:45.55 | cooner750 | Currently my "server" is a 1GHz PIII Desktop machine I found in the trash .. 512MB RAM, I suppose the person threw it out because it had a dead PSU. Of course, being the geek I am, I had two extra supplies already laying there. I've used it as a server for about a year and it's gaining wear and tear very quick |
| 07:46.04 | cooner750 | I've replaced the CPU fan 3 times and the hard drive twice |
| 07:46.13 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: don't ask me. I really don't want to try anymore. it segfaults when i run /usr/local/qhacc/bin/qhacc |
| 07:46.31 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: well, thanks for helping so much already |
| 07:46.34 | scv | lol |
| 07:46.37 | rcbarnes | I think I'm giving up on it now. |
| 07:47.15 | rcbarnes | (and devs) |
| 07:47.16 | rcbarnes | :-D |
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| 07:47.40 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: ohh, there's a make uninstall. |
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| 07:49.16 | rcbarnes | Supaplex: at least they know what part of the makefile is most important for that POS |
| 07:49.45 | cast | cooner750: what the hell @ 3 cpu fans. what, does it sit in a box of sand or something? |
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| 07:50.02 | Supaplex | rcbarnes: haha yeah. |
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| 07:54.27 | cooner750 | cast: It seems that I can't keep them working. The environment is not dirty, I have mounted a homemade filter device to keep out any dust. But, nonetheless, every few months (and the server is non on "constant", it's off during power outages lol) the fan starts rattling and squealing, and eventually stops. |
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| 07:55.30 | cast | cooner750: sleeve or bearing fans? |
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| 07:55.45 | cooner750 | cast: I haven't paid attention. It's hard enough even finding a fan for a Socket 370 processor. |
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| 07:57.33 | cooner750 | The computer also makes the most noise, my other "server", the Firewall and DHCP & DNS Server is a 566MHz Celeron, and it's whisper quiet |
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| 07:59.20 | cast | might be worth fitting a larger ball bearing fan and running it at low rpm, assuming computer doesnt get moved dodgy fan mounting is fine :) |
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| 08:00.53 | dirkson | peterS, Ok, so when trying to install grub I get back "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 08:00.57 | cooner750 | Is the Freenode server having some issues? I've never seen so many people leave and join at once |
| 08:01.22 | Supaplex | I still use a cyrix pII 225mhz for a radius box. :) never peaks 0.2 load (cept a few cron jobs maybe) |
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| 08:04.24 | Halitherses | I installed it, had to get it off another hdd. |
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| 08:10.23 | peterS | dirkson: I told you to make sure /boot/grub/device.map was correct |
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| 08:10.48 | peterS | dirkson: you have to know what order the bios will enumerate your drives - then put this information into /boot/grub/device.map |
| 08:11.18 | dirkson | peterS, Thanks- I am, but it's fighting me : ) |
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| 08:11.26 | dirkson | I think I've got it |
| 08:12.46 | dirkson | rebooting... Wish me luck : ) |
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| 08:14.55 | peterS | doh - it took me just a bit too long to look up information on 'edd' for him |
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| 08:26.56 | dirkson | peterS, Okie, I had to edit menu.list, but I'm up on the sata disk ^.^ /Much/ faster |
| 08:27.36 | peterS | dirkson: good deal. I was going to say, before you disappeared, that you can find out some information about BIOS ordering of disk drives by doing 'modprobe edd' and poking around in /sys/firmware/edd/. but obviously you figured out the bios disk order on your own |
| 08:28.08 | dirkson | peterS, No need- I took out the IDE drive. I can use it on another box pretty readily. |
| 08:28.23 | peterS | dirkson: right ... so you knew that /dev/sda would be (hd0) then. |
| 08:28.31 | peterS | since there's not much else it could be |
| 08:28.36 | dirkson | peterS, Exactly : ) |
| 08:28.42 | dirkson | peterS, Keepin' it simple ^.^ |
| 08:29.14 | dirkson | peterS, I am curious as to HD benchmarking tools, though... I know my ide HD wrote at 30MB/s... I wonder what this one's speeds are : ) |
| 08:29.21 | astecp | I have a font tamilweb.ttf: to make this avaiable to Firefox do I only need to put it in /usr/local/share/fonts and run mkfontscale / mkfontdir? |
| 08:29.34 | peterS | dirkson: well how did you know the other wrote at 30 MB/s? however you found that out, do the same thing with the new.. |
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| 08:29.59 | clever | one method i used to test a drives performance including the filesystem layered ontop of it |
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| 08:30.09 | peterS | astecp: don't know about firefox (I don't use it) but a lot of apps will find fonts if you just put them in ~/fonts or something |
| 08:30.10 | clever | dd something like /dev/zero into a test file for 100mb |
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| 08:30.31 | peterS | clever: you have to worry about OS caching for tests like that though |
| 08:30.31 | dirkson | peterS, I used linHDD, a hdparm gui. (And hdparm doesn't work too well at sata drives, you know?) |
| 08:30.34 | clever | that would test writing speed |
| 08:30.41 | lethias | Under what section when your building a kernel, is the setting so that you can enable HAL to be used. |
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| 08:30.47 | clever | peterS: if i dd a chunk larger then the cache though |
| 08:30.52 | krenin | Greetings, earthlings. |
| 08:30.53 | peterS | dirkson: it doesn't? I thought it supported sata just fine nowadays. not that I have any sata disks. |
| 08:30.54 | clever | it will wind up having to clear the cache |
| 08:31.04 | clever | if i only have 256mb ram and i dd a 1gig file up |
| 08:31.19 | clever | it will have pushed the first 256mb out long ago |
| 08:31.20 | dirkson | peterS, Lemme test it. I think it's specifically for IDE |
| 08:31.21 | peterS | clever: yeah but you won't ever really know when it finishes writing, unless you 'sync' afterwards |
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| 08:31.36 | clever | but it could still give an avg reading |
| 08:31.45 | enouf | Ok so .. I'm trying to see if I can remove gnome without losing an app like say "gvim" , and I stumble onto a weird phenomenon, it's 2-3 symlinks removed (depending upon how you count) from it's real Binary (which is _not_even called "gvim") .. so, I started with /dlocate/ and a /dpkg -S/ and I ran into the problem someone had here earlier,(`which htmlview` a Cups app view or someshit) .. so Q. how do (1)get ls to follow symlinks and display a |
| 08:31.45 | enouf | iit returns (I tried -H, no go) and (2) get dlocate or dpkg -S to find/follow the /true/ app Binary? |
| 08:31.47 | clever | i mainly uses it dd'ing nfs files into /dev/null |
| 08:31.53 | clever | to get the read speed of nfs over wifi |
| 08:31.59 | dirkson | peterS, Maybe I'm wrong! |
| 08:32.39 | enouf | Goal is to find out which package "gvim" came from |
| 08:33.04 | enouf | but it's not called /gvim/ .. wanna guess what it is called? |
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| 08:33.30 | peterS | enouf: follow the symlinks through /etc/alternatives. note that it will be /usr/bin/vim.something. |
| 08:33.39 | enouf | there she go__ es |
| 08:33.48 | peterS | enouf: might be vim-perl, might be vim-gtk, might be vim-gnome, there are a few other possibilities too |
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| 08:34.06 | enouf | peterS: I found that out already .. but tit took 3 separate ls -al commands to get there |
| 08:34.18 | enouf | peterS: it's called vim.gtk |
| 08:34.29 | enouf | But I would've never known that .. |
| 08:34.33 | peterS | enouf: right, welcome to the alternatives system, new in debian as of 1996 or so. |
| 08:34.42 | enouf | ouch |
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| 08:34.55 | peterS | I could be exaggerating, I don't know when it was invented exactly |
| 08:35.07 | peterS | but it's been in debian as long as I can remember so 1996 sounds close enough (: |
| 08:35.27 | peterS | dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim.gtk will answer your question, anyway |
| 08:35.28 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/bin/vim.gtk will answer your question, anyway package |
| 08:35.48 | enouf | peterS: is there any way for ls to output ALL it's 2 symlinks + the actual Binary at the last stop? in one command? |
| 08:35.49 | peterS | dpkg: be quiet |
| 08:35.49 | dpkg | Ah, shuddup. |
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| 08:36.10 | peterS | enouf: not that I know of, you could write a short shell script to loop through the 'readlink' command if you wanted |
| 08:36.26 | peterS | enouf: you can do 'ls -lL' to resolve symlinks but that will not tell you the final target |
| 08:36.48 | enouf | peterS: ok .. when you say resolve, what does thast mean exactly? |
| 08:37.15 | peterS | resolving a path means following symlinks to get to a real file on disk |
| 08:37.42 | enouf | peterS: so why then wouldn't that find the final traget? |
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| 08:37.46 | peterS | try it and see |
| 08:37.49 | enouf | er target* |
| 08:37.52 | enouf | ok |
| 08:38.00 | peterS | it will find the final target. it will not tell you the final target. |
| 08:38.15 | enouf | I see |
| 08:38.37 | rpc | hmm should i trust cat /proc/cpuinfo when it comes to checking what cpu i got? is that 100% sure info especially on AMD cpus? |
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| 08:39.08 | linux2 | hey can anyone here help me with beryl? |
| 08:39.15 | linux2 | i have been trying to get it to work |
| 08:39.18 | cahoot | rpc: dmidecode? |
| 08:39.20 | linux2 | with little sucess |
| 08:39.33 | linux2 | im using debian etch with all the latest updates and a nvidia 7300 hard |
| 08:39.33 | rpc | cahoot hmm that one i don't know |
| 08:39.35 | linux2 | card |
| 08:39.59 | peterS | rpc: why do you ask? do you have reason to doubt /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 08:40.08 | linux2 | and well when i start beryl-manager, the tops of all my windows dissapear and the bottom bar goes away thus forcing me to restartx |
| 08:40.12 | rpc | cahoot that's alot of output :) how can i make use of that info? |
| 08:40.12 | linux2 | anyone else have this issue |
| 08:40.29 | linux2 | and now beryl is failing telling me it can't find any screens |
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| 08:40.31 | dirkson | linux2, Do you have emerald installed? |
| 08:40.38 | cahoot | rpc: read it? |
| 08:40.47 | rpc | peterS yes, because i have some fresh box and i cannot physically verify what's inside so have to trust what i see remotely |
| 08:40.50 | linux2 | dirkson: yeah |
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| 08:41.00 | peterS | rpc: /proc/cpuinfo will probably lie to you if you are running inside a CPU emulator such as vmware or qemu or bochs |
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| 08:41.14 | peterS | rpc: but if you're running directly on a real computer, /proc/cpuinfo will be correct |
| 08:41.15 | wmn_ | is the new version of xchat available? |
| 08:41.16 | craigevil | linux2: are you using at least a 96** nvidia driver |
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| 08:41.23 | enouf | holy friggin weirdness batman .. ls -al finds a symlink to /etc/alternatives and yet ls -lL lists /usr/bin/gvim .. wtf? |
| 08:41.25 | dirkson | linux2, Next time you try to make beryl-manager go, try to start emerald manually via a terminal. It sounds like it might be erroring out. |
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| 08:41.36 | rpc | peterS trying to check all the hardware in there and the cpu is diff from what i have ordered... more funny thing is that it's stronger than expected |
| 08:41.39 | peterS | enouf: find out what ls -L does. it is documented. |
| 08:41.43 | FuriousRage | is there a program or command so i can check what speeds my nic supports? im not sure it is a 10mbit or 100mbit nic i use (using debian sarge) |
| 08:41.50 | linux2 | dirkson: fails with this error |
| 08:42.04 | rpc | peterS and yes, that box is a dedicated server |
| 08:42.08 | linux2 | three lines too much to paste here? |
| 08:42.19 | scv | FuriousRage, ifconfig? |
| 08:42.25 | dirkson | linux2, Naw, three line is about the upper limit. It's fine. |
| 08:42.37 | rpc | peterS it shows amd 4600+ while i ordered 4200+... how come then :) |
| 08:42.38 | linux2 | compiz: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing |
| 08:42.38 | linux2 | compiz: Failed to manage screen: 0 |
| 08:42.38 | linux2 | compiz: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 08:42.43 | peterS | rpc: /proc/cpuinfo reports what the CPU itself claims to be, via the 'cpuid' instruction. they could have put a faster CPU into your box as they ran out of the speed you ordered - and maybe underclocked it |
| 08:42.45 | wmn_ | from which debian repository can i get the new version of xchat can anyone help? |
| 08:42.49 | cahoot | FuriousRage: for some nics - mii-tool |
| 08:42.50 | linux2 | dirkson: except it stays beryl |
| 08:42.54 | enouf | peterS: yet still! .. the symlink path doesn't end up back at /usr/bin/gvim -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1639788 2006-07-11 00:09 /usr/bin/gvim .. it ends up at /usr/bin/vim.gtk .. so which figgin binary am I actually running herre? |
| 08:42.59 | rpc | peterS oh hm |
| 08:42.59 | linux2 | i just had tried compiz to see if it felt like working |
| 08:43.20 | peterS | rpc: it is also possible that the linux kernel developers made a typo in the /proc/cpuinfo printing code |
| 08:43.25 | FuriousRage | scv: what do i need to look for in ifconfig to know? |
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| 08:43.31 | linux2 | i had gotten beryl working and it was awesome (except for it locked up my comp, but thats a seperate issue) and so i rebooted |
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| 08:43.37 | rpc | peterS that's why i try to find out what power i really got in there |
| 08:43.38 | peterS | enouf: find out what ls -L actually does. it will all make sense. |
| 08:43.41 | scv | ... |
| 08:43.41 | linux2 | and now beryl just doesn't work |
| 08:43.44 | craigevil | wmn_: which version of xchat is the newest? 2.6.8-0.3 is in Sid |
| 08:44.12 | peterS | rpc: who cares whether it's called a "4200+" or a "4600+". look at the "cpu MHz" field if you want to know the truth. that field is calculated by actually running a time test at boot time |
| 08:44.13 | dirkson | linux2, Type this and tell me result: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 08:44.18 | wmn_ | craigevil, sorry i didnt get Sid |
| 08:44.22 | FuriousRage | cahoot: mii-tool gave this: eth1: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok so i guess its a 100mbit, thanks |
| 08:44.34 | linux2 | direct rendering: Yes |
| 08:44.44 | rpc | peterS hmm sounds good... but where can i find that one? |
| 08:45.02 | peterS | rpc: in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:45.03 | rpc | just issued dmidecode and i can see alot of nice stuff in there :) |
| 08:45.06 | dirkson | linux2, Cool. And are you using the XGL method, AIGLX, or nvidia beta? |
| 08:45.17 | scv | can mii-tools be used on a non-mii nic? |
| 08:45.19 | linux2 | dirkson: AIGLX |
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| 08:45.35 | linux2 | dirkson: what is really puzzling me is that it was working and then on reboot changed its mind |
| 08:45.39 | rpc | cpu MHz : 2399.840 |
| 08:45.39 | rpc | cache size : 512 KB |
| 08:45.40 | rpc | hm |
| 08:45.59 | scv | amd 2.4G? |
| 08:46.04 | rpc | got to check the specs then |
| 08:46.07 | rpc | that's what it says |
| 08:46.11 | peterS | rpc: so now look up whether the 4200+ is supposed to run at 2.4 GHz or what |
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| 08:46.18 | dirkson | linux2, Can you put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a pastebin for me? |
| 08:46.19 | rpc | peterS right |
| 08:46.25 | peterS | you know 4200 and 4600 aren't MHz numbers, right. |
| 08:46.26 | FuriousRage | scv: my AMD 4000+ is default 2.4ghz |
| 08:46.40 | rpc | FuriousRage hrhm |
| 08:46.40 | scv | oh |
| 08:46.54 | rpc | FuriousRage do you know the default for 4200+ ? |
| 08:47.08 | rpc | and why only 512KB cache |
| 08:47.16 | scv | how did amd get that 4200 number? |
| 08:47.17 | rpc | something smells bad here |
| 08:47.22 | linux2 | dirkson: http://pastebin.ca/339764 |
| 08:47.22 | peterS | rpc: I suggest checking http://sandpile.org, they seem to have all sorts of numbers on those kinds of things |
| 08:47.28 | FuriousRage | rpc: nope sorry, only know the one i got ;> |
| 08:47.38 | rpc | peterS thanks a million |
| 08:48.04 | scv | if I was amd guys, I would change 4000 to 8000 |
| 08:48.10 | dirkson | linux2, Is commenting out Load "dri" standard with aiglx? |
| 08:48.15 | FuriousRage | scv: its supposed to be equivalent to a Intel Pention 4 at 4.2GHz or something like that. |
| 08:48.24 | linux2 | dirkson: according to this... |
| 08:48.24 | scv | is it real? |
| 08:48.29 | rpc | FuriousRage would you like to tell me your bogomips? |
| 08:48.39 | FuriousRage | rpc: uhm, not sure how ;> |
| 08:48.41 | linux2 | http://frenchninja.wordpress.com/2007/01/06/how-to-install-berylaiglx-on-debian-etch/ |
| 08:48.46 | siimo | 4600+ is 2.4Ghz and 4200+ is 2.2Ghz |
| 08:48.55 | dirkson | linux2, Okie. I've spotted your problem; Give me a moment to wander about on the internet and find out the exact option, eh? |
| 08:48.55 | wmn_ | hi ive newly installed debian but my screen resolution is not good evrything looks too big what can i do? |
| 08:48.56 | rpc | FuriousRage cat /proc/cpuinfo - it's there |
| 08:49.08 | rpc | siimo hello again! are you sure about that? |
| 08:49.08 | FuriousRage | rpc: my amd runs windows ;> |
| 08:49.08 | linux2 | dirkson: thanks, i appreciate it |
| 08:49.12 | linux2 | maybe then i can get some sleep |
| 08:49.13 | linux2 | lol |
| 08:49.21 | siimo | yes wikipedia it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_64_microprocessors |
| 08:49.24 | rpc | FuriousRage you seem to be wrong with your info it seems |
| 08:49.30 | rpc | thanks for misleading me |
| 08:49.41 | dirkson | linux2, I know the feeling ^.^ I've get up various forms of beryl/compiz 4-5 times. It'll keep a guy up |
| 08:49.46 | rpc | siimo thank you very much... looks like a received a real bonus then :) |
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| 08:50.04 | scv | I guess amd's cpu number is a fraud |
| 08:50.12 | rpc | i'm checking mhz |
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| 08:50.19 | rpc | not number as it never makes sense to me |
| 08:50.22 | siimo | and FuriousRage's 4000+ must be a single core cause those do run at 2.4Ghz |
| 08:50.23 | peterS | scv: only if you think the CPU number is supposed to represent MHz. where did you get that idea? |
| 08:50.31 | rpc | siimo oh |
| 08:50.32 | dirkson | linux2, Add the following line to both of your "Device" sections: Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" |
| 08:50.44 | wmn_ | debian sarge is good but how can i change my screen resolution? |
| 08:50.44 | enouf | peterS: before i even posed my question, I read the manpages and also tried "ls -Hl /usr/bin/gvim" whcih gave me the same result as ls -lL, but hadbn't noticed that it was not a symlink that was returned .. guess what? there is no /usr/bin/gvim that is not a symlink .. |
| 08:50.45 | FuriousRage | siimo: yes single core |
| 08:50.54 | krenin | AMD uses performance ratings; last time I checked they are compared to Athlon 1 gHz (Athlon 1 gHz = 1000) |
| 08:50.56 | wmn_ | can any1 help? |
| 08:50.57 | FuriousRage | rpc: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/category/category_slc.asp?CatId=1958&msg=1366749 |
| 08:50.57 | scv | 1+1=2? |
| 08:51.00 | rpc | FuriousRage sorry then, very sorry, just a misunderstanding |
| 08:51.06 | dirkson | linux2, AND: Section "Screen" |
| 08:51.06 | dirkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:51.06 | dirkson | EndSection |
| 08:51.14 | rpc | damn amd and their messed up specs |
| 08:51.18 | scv | 2400 dual core = 4800? |
| 08:51.31 | dirkson | linux2, Add that option line in your screen heading, the other in your device, and it should work. |
| 08:51.42 | FuriousRage | krenin: was it not performance rating against an intel p4? |
| 08:51.49 | rpc | what i see in there is 4600+ at 2400 and only 512KB cache... is that normal as for dual core X2? i'm really confused |
| 08:51.54 | dirkson | linux2, NVM about the second- You already have it |
| 08:51.57 | rpc | even 4200+ got 1MB cache |
| 08:52.01 | enouf | peterS: yet your ls -lL and my ls -Hl seems to imply that there is? .. what in the goofball cog is going on here? |
| 08:52.07 | linux2 | dirkson: ok hang on while i test it |
| 08:52.11 | dirkson | linux2, kk |
| 08:52.24 | siimo | FuriousRage: yeah it used to be but its against the old P4 which is obsolete now cause the Core2's from intel actually run at same or lower freq than amd and beat them now |
| 08:52.44 | peterS | enouf: if you understood what -L does, you would not ask these questions |
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| 08:52.49 | siimo | so i dont see the point of amd having a 5000+ cpu when no intel runs at that speed |
| 08:52.52 | FuriousRage | siimo: well, afaik single cores still compares to p4, but dual's isnt, right or wrong? |
| 08:53.07 | enouf | did the "alternatives system" come in and do some magic on the original stuff? .. I obviously do not understand what L is/does/means |
| 08:53.09 | scv | hahaha |
| 08:53.16 | rpc | lol there are 6 types of amd64 X2 |
| 08:53.18 | siimo | FuriousRage: i really dont know the exact facts |
| 08:53.19 | enouf | peterS: ^^ |
| 08:53.19 | dirkson | peterS, You're around here a lot. (And are a huge help, for that matter) Just curious, but why? : ) |
| 08:53.23 | scv | "it's a fraud" |
| 08:53.25 | krenin | FuriousRage: I'm pretty sure that AMD's performance ratings are against the original Athlon 1 gHz |
| 08:53.43 | peterS | enouf: then I suggest you read 'man ls' until you understand what -L means |
| 08:53.52 | krenin | They may have changed it since the 32 bit Athlons |
| 08:54.18 | peterS | dirkson: 'cause I don't have very good time-management skills. I sit at my computer a lot and when I do I find myself monitoring IRC more often than I really should |
| 08:54.18 | linux2 | dirkson: hang on, i am going to have to quit out of xchat |
| 08:54.20 | linux2 | i willl brb |
| 08:54.20 | enouf | peterS: thanks for trying to help, but I'm afraid that won't do .. i'll seek answers elsewhere .. I appreciate your help |
| 08:54.31 | linux2 | for somereason startx --:1 isn't working anymore |
| 08:54.35 | siimo | anyway it will be interesting to see what amd comes out with now... the 4x4 platform or whatever they calling it |
| 08:54.38 | rpc | aargh i'm starting to understand now... 4600+ runs at 2400 and got 2x 512KB cache |
| 08:54.49 | rpc | but then why do i see only 512 in procinfo? |
| 08:54.50 | peterS | enouf: the description for -L in 'man ls' is ONE SENTENCE. I cannot believe you are unable to understand the ONE SENTENCE of that description. |
| 08:55.09 | siimo | rpc: maybe its per CPU you are seeing |
| 08:55.14 | siimo | or you are looking at 1 cpu |
| 08:55.16 | Gathond | rpc: its 512 KB per core iirc |
| 08:55.24 | Gathond | rpc: so each core has 512 KB |
| 08:55.25 | rpc | Gathond right |
| 08:55.28 | FuriousRage | krenin: im not gonna argue that because i dont know the 100% facts on the amds performance rating ;> |
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| 08:55.37 | rpc | but how can i verify both cores then? there isn't another core in procinfo |
| 08:55.38 | Gathond | unlike Intels which share it |
| 08:55.49 | Gathond | /proc/cpuinfo should list 2 CPU's |
| 08:55.51 | rpc | Gathond so intel shares the cache? |
| 08:56.07 | Gathond | rpc: I'm pretty sure core2 duo has one cache which the cores share |
| 08:56.15 | Gathond | it has advantages and disadvantages |
| 08:56.24 | rpc | oh hm... i'm either stupid or sleeping still... in fact there are TWO tables in procinfo... cpu0 and cpu1 |
| 08:56.25 | siimo | yeah intel has big cache both cpus share.. amd does seperate |
| 08:56.28 | unlink | well, it turns out CONFIG_RCU_TORTURE_TEST is needed to get my sata controller to work |
| 08:56.42 | unlink | how on earth do i debug that? |
| 08:56.48 | rpc | and what do you think about performance of intel core2duo and X2 4600+ ? |
| 08:57.07 | rpc | i heard intel is much stronger |
| 08:57.08 | cast | 4600 can compete with the 6300 |
| 08:57.16 | rpc | hmm |
| 08:57.22 | scv | I think they are trash |
| 08:57.23 | rpc | but not 6600 possibly? |
| 08:57.35 | scv | I just need a fast core |
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| 08:57.39 | siimo | rpc: you can overclock the cheapest intel model to match amd's top cpu currently the FX62 or whatever |
| 08:57.47 | peterS | would you say upgrading from Intel Xeons to AMD K8s would be considered "dumping core"? |
| 08:57.49 | scv | if they could make one for me |
| 08:57.55 | cat | what is this program called. to run you're mouse in youre terminal |
| 08:57.55 | rpc | siimo that's sweet if they overclock so well |
| 08:58.01 | peterS | cat: gpm |
| 08:58.05 | Gathond | this intel core2duo works great anyway, but to be honest for my usage a turion64 would probably have done as well |
| 08:58.06 | rpc | can i overclock in linux? |
| 08:58.10 | rpc | remotely that is |
| 08:58.12 | cast | imo you still get what you pay for. amd slashed its X2 prices to remain competitive with intel, the cheapest dual core you can get will be an amd |
| 08:58.16 | scv | I rater to use a 5000M core |
| 08:58.50 | rpc | cast well i do get what i payed for and more as that box got 4600 instead of 4200 which i ordered :) |
| 08:58.52 | enouf | peterS: it's one of the worst writtten sentences I['ve ever come across .. it's like "now you see it, now you don't" .. houdini done it .. besides it's a more fundamentalk issue about unix systems I'm struggling with obviously, and it's "terminology" .. and it ain't written in latin (like most medical terminology is) where it can be broken down into it's constituents |
| 08:59.01 | siimo | remotely wtf ? overclocking can be done from the bios and if you dont know what it is dont try it you might screw up |
| 08:59.06 | enouf | er -k |
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| 08:59.27 | rpc | siimo i used to overclock on windows and i never touched the bios for a simple o/c |
| 08:59.37 | rpc | just the FSB change can be done realtime |
| 08:59.43 | enouf | "show information for the file the link references |
| 08:59.43 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.44 | scv | they are playing the core game... cause they cannot make a fast cpu |
| 08:59.49 | scv | the fact |
| 08:59.49 | dirkson | peterS, Gotcha. I do the same, but I tend to fill the time with stumbleupon and stargate |
| 09:00.09 | siimo | overclocking from windows is bad :S |
| 09:00.11 | enouf | there is /NO/ file there .. that's my point .. but I must be a sumbass |
| 09:00.12 | rpc | siimo so i thought i could try the same thing on linux, just bump up the FSB a bit |
| 09:00.16 | peterS | dirkson: I don't own a TV, which I guess is just as well, as I'd probably watch a lot of it if I did |
| 09:00.35 | siimo | you bump the fsb from bios.. its dangerous doing it from windows |
| 09:00.44 | wmn_ | how can i change ,yscreen resolution ? ive tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it tells that xerver-xorg not installed |
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| 09:00.51 | enouf | IOW.. the link does NOT reference the file in this case, since it does not exist |
| 09:00.53 | parsonsd | peterS, i didn't till i got married. i love her, but she brought 3 tvs |
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| 09:01.00 | rpc | scv well i don't mind the core game and it makes more sense than digging up the technology to make even faster single core cpu, it makes more sense to add another 2 cores or even make it 8 cores one day :) |
| 09:01.04 | scv | a 5GHz single core > any multi-core trash |
| 09:01.07 | peterS | parsonsd: 3 TVs, yikes |
| 09:01.30 | parsonsd | peterS more than made up for my lack of tv. *sigh* |
| 09:02.03 | siimo | scv: depends on the application... i mean on a dual core one core could be doing something like encoding video while other core compiling a program and it would be faster than both tasks having to compete for cpu time on single core |
| 09:02.24 | scv | bs, a quirk |
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| 09:02.31 | peterS | rpc: IBM has been shipping 8-core powerpc dies for some time now - 3 or 4 years, I believe - but the home market doesn't particularly need that price/performance point |
| 09:02.33 | linux2 | ok |
| 09:02.39 | linux2 | well it works now |
| 09:02.41 | linux2 | yay! |
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| 09:02.46 | linux2 | except for the freezing thing |
| 09:02.47 | rickyray_ | is there anyway to enable mouse wheel support in the linux CLI ? |
| 09:02.53 | linux2 | the comp just locks up and i have to reboot it |
| 09:03.07 | scv | a fast one always is better two slow one |
| 09:03.20 | Guerin | scv: i bet your girlfriend disagrees |
| 09:03.28 | siimo | lol Guerin |
| 09:03.29 | scv | the multi-core has lots of overhead |
| 09:03.32 | Guerin | oh, wait, people in here don't have sucvh things |
| 09:03.43 | rpc | peterS so 8-core already exists.. nice :) and yes, i don't believe a home user ever needs that |
| 09:03.55 | siimo | reallllly cast.. |
| 09:03.58 | cast | rpc: sony disagrees! |
| 09:03.58 | cahoot | thingd? |
| 09:03.59 | FuriousRage | rpc: not even for rosetta@home ? ;> |
| 09:04.00 | craigevil | rickray apt-get install gpm /etc/init.d/gpm start |
| 09:04.04 | cast | rpc: kinda..ignore me. |
| 09:04.06 | rpc | lol cast |
| 09:04.11 | rpc | FuriousRage he he |
| 09:04.16 | scv | the multi-core is the worse way to increase performance |
| 09:04.22 | rpc | FuriousRage let's just mension Vista :) |
| 09:04.33 | scv | it's more expensive too |
| 09:04.45 | siimo | multicore kicks ass if you multitask and use multiple high cpu intensive applications |
| 09:04.59 | Gathond | scv: not sure that is always the case, powerwise more slower cores might be better |
| 09:05.06 | scv | sounds like the salesman's words |
| 09:05.07 | rpc | and Vista Reloaded will hardly run on anything below 16 cores probably :) just to display a beautiful and useless screensaver :) |
| 09:05.28 | stoned | sweet! I was able to shift data around, now I can have a whole 500GB disk for debian |
| 09:05.35 | scv | multi-core = double power |
| 09:05.40 | stoned | now I have to figure out the partitioning |
| 09:05.45 | Gathond | as I don't think 2 cores at 1 Ghz uses as much power as 1 at 2 Gz, iirc the power goes up with a facter of 2^2 if the frequency doubles |
| 09:05.45 | rpc | stoned that's quite enough for debian ;) |
| 09:05.56 | scv | multi-core = double heat |
| 09:06.05 | rpc | hm btw is the 2400 in X2 per core or total? |
| 09:06.06 | Gathond | scv: yes, but your single CPU needs to be clocked at twice the speed, where it uses 4 times the power |
| 09:06.06 | peterS | siimo: you talk as though nobody had ever put 2 CPUs on the same motherboard before 'multicore' technology came around |
| 09:06.10 | scv | multi-core = double latency |
| 09:06.11 | siimo | scv: i have an AMD 3500+ single core and it struggles to play 1080i HDTV movie when in the background i am doing video encoding or something else... but my dual core just uses one core each and it works sweet |
| 09:06.25 | rpc | siimo lol |
| 09:06.45 | rpc | and nice about dual core, great example of performance gain |
| 09:06.56 | stoned | scv: I have a 3500Mhz Core 2 Duo E6300 and under full stress testing for 4+ hours (including complete memtest86) and I can't seem to top 40-45C |
| 09:07.01 | rpc | and what dual core you got, siimo? |
| 09:07.11 | scv | so, a 65536-core is fast? |
| 09:07.18 | siimo | Core 2 6300 |
| 09:07.18 | rpc | stoned that's wonderful as well, really that low temp? |
| 09:07.30 | rpc | were you just lucky with the batch or... |
| 09:07.32 | stoned | rpc: thanks to the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro HSF |
| 09:07.36 | siimo | but overclocked to 6600 speeds |
| 09:07.38 | rpc | oh he he |
| 09:07.40 | stoned | it is massive, it is shiny, it keeps me cool! |
| 09:08.05 | scv | does it take time switching between 65536 cores? |
| 09:08.06 | stoned | rpc: no, I bought the CPU for overclocking |
| 09:08.12 | stoned | my original goal was 3000mhz |
| 09:08.21 | rpc | siimo so you mean core2duo and not amd dual core? |
| 09:08.26 | siimo | yeah |
| 09:08.27 | stoned | my ddr-5400 ram topped out at 430fsb |
| 09:08.35 | stoned | I got another stick of ddr2-800 with micron d9 chips |
| 09:08.39 | siimo | the amd i have is single core |
| 09:08.41 | stoned | I got 500fsb x 7 |
| 09:08.46 | stoned | 3500mhz |
| 09:08.55 | rpc | hmm... core2duo 6300 @ 6600... i want one too |
| 09:08.56 | stoned | from grub to kde desktop, less than 10 seconds |
| 09:08.58 | stoned | :D |
| 09:09.10 | rpc | i wonder if water cooling would do for that |
| 09:09.12 | scv | ... |
| 09:09.29 | siimo | rpc: i am doing it on stock fan cooling |
| 09:09.39 | stoned | now if I build a water cooling kit ever, I'll try 4Ghz with e6300 |
| 09:09.46 | rpc | siimo you mean you overclock to 6600 too? |
| 09:09.47 | siimo | i can go higher too but i am happy with 2.4ghz |
| 09:09.54 | rpc | stoned wow |
| 09:10.10 | stoned | its possible |
| 09:10.20 | stoned | the motherboard I have can go upto 600fsb |
| 09:10.31 | stoned | though I would need aftermarket chipset/mch cooling |
| 09:10.52 | stoned | over volting is dangerous |
| 09:10.58 | stoned | need to keep stuff cool |
| 09:11.09 | stoned | once I hit 4Ghz, I'll be satisfied and I can go back down to 3ghz |
| 09:11.11 | siimo | anyway we are getting vista at work on monday o_O |
| 09:11.22 | scv | lol |
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| 09:11.34 | scv | how much money? |
| 09:11.44 | rpc | stoned lol |
| 09:11.47 | stoned | I built this sytem for 420$ |
| 09:11.48 | stoned | no joke |
| 09:11.51 | siimo | free... to use on the work's laptop |
| 09:11.56 | rpc | stoned that must be a joke in fact |
| 09:11.56 | stoned | my cart was 820$ |
| 09:12.10 | stoned | I sold my old system (which my brother gave me for free) for 400$ |
| 09:12.11 | rpc | $420 for 6300@6600 system? |
| 09:12.19 | stoned | so literally, I only paid 420$ for my new machine |
| 09:12.19 | rpc | oh that you mean |
| 09:12.24 | scv | what's wrong? |
| 09:12.25 | stoned | I also got a X1900XT video card |
| 09:12.33 | rpc | no, literally you payed 800 :) |
| 09:12.39 | stoned | no |
| 09:12.42 | rpc | that's a virtual 400 system :) |
| 09:12.42 | siimo | rpc mine is @6600 his is much higher overclock ... a 6600 runs at 2.4ghz he is going over 3ghz |
| 09:12.44 | scv | hahaha |
| 09:12.47 | stoned | I got 400$ for free |
| 09:12.50 | rpc | he he |
| 09:12.50 | stoned | out of my pocket, I spend 420 |
| 09:13.04 | rpc | oh you got that old system for free |
| 09:13.08 | siimo | stoned: that video card must suck on linux |
| 09:13.09 | stoned | I got a 1.7ghz overclock |
| 09:13.12 | rpc | then ok, agreed ;) |
| 09:13.15 | stoned | siimo: not at all |
| 09:13.27 | stoned | soon as I figure out the documentation for ati spefic device optios in xorg.conf |
| 09:13.31 | rpc | siimo and you do yours on just stock cooler? |
| 09:13.43 | stoned | I'm gonna build a working xorg.conf with my options, and then I'll save a copy on a few gmail accounts |
| 09:13.50 | stoned | I do all my config file backups on gmail |
| 09:13.50 | stoned | :D |
| 09:13.54 | siimo | rpc: yes stock cooler |
| 09:14.03 | rpc | lol you can also print out a copy and eat it :) just to be sure he he |
| 09:14.03 | scv | stock cooler? |
| 09:14.12 | stoned | the intel stock hsf is loud! |
| 09:14.15 | stoned | i mean loud, and lousy |
| 09:14.21 | rpc | that's why i want water |
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| 09:14.42 | rpc | even a cheap water will be better than stock air-cooling |
| 09:14.53 | stoned | I wonder how much those weather control boxes cost |
| 09:15.01 | stoned | 500$ for a temp controlled case |
| 09:15.06 | stoned | its a lot of electric bill |
| 09:15.10 | stoned | but hell, you can keep cool |
| 09:15.24 | Gnea | you know |
| 09:15.33 | stoned | Gnea: yes I do know |
| 09:15.43 | stoned | Gnea: the question is, do YOU know? |
| 09:15.50 | scv | hahaha, you can put a mini air-container in the case |
| 09:16.12 | stoned | scv: why when you run the freon line to a copper block on the cpu |
| 09:16.24 | stoned | anyway this is too OT |
| 09:16.25 | stoned | !ot |
| 09:16.25 | dpkg | i guess ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 09:16.31 | Gnea | stoned: what i'd like to do is figure out a decent solar panel setup to power a space heater, and a hydrogen fuel cell setup to go with it when there's no sun out |
| 09:16.49 | stoned | Gnea: I been wanting to do solar panels ever since 7th grade |
| 09:16.55 | Gnea | some guy in new jersey figured it out... now how about the components to do it :) |
| 09:17.04 | stoned | in science class we saw a video of a guy who built a house of solar panels |
| 09:17.08 | stoned | no electric cost |
| 09:17.13 | Gnea | stoned: there's a solar panel power planet about 1 block away from me |
| 09:17.13 | stoned | i was like damn |
| 09:17.17 | Gnea | it's friggin' HUGE |
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| 09:17.31 | scv | aye... |
| 09:17.38 | Gnea | solar panels larger than the size of houses throughout a field |
| 09:17.51 | rpc | yes that works |
| 09:17.55 | stoned | nice |
| 09:18.00 | Gnea | you're damn right it works |
| 09:18.03 | rpc | but you need to live in the area where there is alot of sunlight tru the year |
| 09:18.05 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:18.15 | Gnea | thank you, that's why i live in az |
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| 09:18.22 | scv | az? |
| 09:18.25 | rpc | you get free electricity, even free hot water for whole family |
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| 09:18.31 | stoned | he is a dune coon |
| 09:18.31 | xingu | he means arse |
| 09:18.31 | Gnea | arizona |
| 09:18.31 | stoned | :D |
| 09:18.32 | gb | rpc: rubbish, I only have 2 panels & manage with them |
| 09:18.35 | jetscreamer | ariz |
| 09:18.42 | stoned | he likes the desert |
| 09:18.46 | stoned | golden hot sands |
| 09:18.48 | scv | hahaha |
| 09:18.49 | rpc | gb there are plenty of diff panels with diff specs |
| 09:18.51 | stoned | burning your flesh |
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| 09:19.18 | Gnea | no, arse is what i sit on |
| 09:19.18 | Gnea | and, well, so do you |
| 09:19.19 | stoned | crisping... |
| 09:19.20 | enouf | this is just way too f'sken stupid ... I took a nice dump, came back and this shit doesn't make any sense |
| 09:19.32 | stoned | umm |
| 09:19.37 | stoned | lol |
| 09:19.39 | gb | but on a more related toic, has anyone else had any bonobo issues after a sid upgrade lately? |
| 09:19.44 | jetscreamer | that's because you're not full of shit anymore |
| 09:19.46 | stoned | enouf: lolz0r |
| 09:19.49 | Gnea | sandworm? bah, scorpions, rattlesnakes and salamanders |
| 09:20.02 | stoned | jetscreamer: hahahaha |
| 09:20.04 | rpc | i would recommend adding to the topic: this is not arse nor sandworm chan :) |
| 09:20.04 | scv | is there a huge sandworm in the desert to eat people? |
| 09:20.13 | rpc | yes |
| 09:20.14 | stoned | jetscreamer: are you old? |
| 09:20.16 | jetscreamer | yes scv |
| 09:20.21 | scv | O_o |
| 09:20.25 | stoned | kinda older |
| 09:20.25 | jetscreamer | only if you carbon date me |
| 09:20.28 | rpc | scv you never go there or it will bite your ass :) |
| 09:20.33 | scv | I knew this from movies |
| 09:20.36 | stoned | jetscreamer: just curious |
| 09:20.43 | gb | Gnea: you have nothing of gnome installed? |
| 09:20.59 | Gnea | gb: maybe an app or two... hell no, i run e17 |
| 09:21.01 | jetscreamer | stoned: i'm very immature |
| 09:21.11 | stoned | jetscreamer: no I mean physically |
| 09:21.14 | stoned | how many years |
| 09:21.14 | Gnea | gb: gotta stay ahead of the wannabe competition (vista) ;) |
| 09:21.23 | jetscreamer | yes, hence the carbon date thing |
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| 09:21.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: I figured as much |
| 09:21.32 | stoned | gramps! |
| 09:21.37 | anapivirtua_ | Oyo |
| 09:21.41 | stoned | ahaha >:D |
| 09:21.41 | jetscreamer | stoned: 46 in like 2 weeks :o |
| 09:21.44 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 09:21.45 | dirkson | linux2, peterS, Pardon- If you've said anything to me, I've been afk and it's been scrolled off |
| 09:21.45 | gb | lotsa gnome apps use bonobo unfortunately & when it's not running neither do they |
| 09:21.45 | stoned | nice |
| 09:21.54 | gb | good thing I dont rely on them |
| 09:21.58 | wmn_ | where can i get glib version >=2.0.3 ? |
| 09:21.58 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Someone knows both nucleus and Debian? |
| 09:21.59 | stoned | jetscreamer: I'll be moving but if i dont see you happy early b day |
| 09:22.05 | stoned | you accomplished not dying for a yea |
| 09:22.07 | Gnea | i mean, hell, debian with nvidia drivers with e17 actually *works* on any modern setup right now. some nvidia owners are going apeshit because their card isn't working 'as advertised' in vista |
| 09:22.08 | stoned | let us celebrate |
| 09:22.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Someone knows nucleus channel? |
| 09:22.18 | stoned | #nucleus |
| 09:22.20 | stoned | maybe |
| 09:22.27 | Gnea | nucleus? |
| 09:22.29 | stoned | isn't it gnucleus |
| 09:22.30 | Gnea | !nucleus |
| 09:22.32 | scv | ??? |
| 09:22.35 | stoned | the gntulla apps |
| 09:22.36 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Nobody's there... |
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| 09:22.40 | stoned | guntulla |
| 09:22.44 | stoned | however you spell it |
| 09:22.44 | gb | hehehehe I pity the people who give nvidia money for crap hardware :) |
| 09:22.45 | Gnea | oh |
| 09:22.49 | jetscreamer | gnu |
| 09:22.49 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I meant a blog software. |
| 09:22.50 | stoned | gnutulla |
| 09:22.53 | tarzeau | gb: any alternative? |
| 09:22.54 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Thx anyway. |
| 09:22.54 | stoned | gnutella |
| 09:22.55 | scv | a guntella client? |
| 09:22.55 | stoned | ! |
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| 09:23.01 | stoned | thats it |
| 09:23.01 | tarzeau | gb: ati has much worse drivers |
| 09:23.02 | siimo | does Intel GMA3000's 3D work in linux |
| 09:23.06 | Gnea | gb: funny, i do and it's not crap :) |
| 09:23.18 | tarzeau | gb: and i don't know any free software that can render 3d games fast enough |
| 09:23.23 | tarzeau | Gnea: same here |
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| 09:23.41 | gb | tarzeau: I wouldn't know,I'm stuck with what's in the notebooks I get from the tip |
| 09:24.10 | jetscreamer | tip? |
| 09:24.12 | scv | tarzeau, -_- |
| 09:24.18 | Gnea | gb: please, if nvidia is crap, then what's not? |
| 09:24.18 | stoned | you know |
| 09:24.18 | stoned | my ATI card works just fine in debian |
| 09:24.18 | stoned | X1900xtx |
| 09:24.18 | stoned | dual head config |
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| 09:24.28 | stoned | omg! |
| 09:24.28 | siimo | appearently GMA3000 supports dx10 and 720p HD |
| 09:24.29 | jetscreamer | lol! |
| 09:24.31 | stoned | hahaha |
| 09:24.34 | jetscreamer | !pal stoned |
| 09:24.44 | stoned | goddamn enter key, how come no one said !enter |
| 09:24.51 | gb | jetscreamer: yes it's actually cheaper too throw near new notebooks away rather then get a broken memory module slot or similar repaired |
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| 09:25.20 | jetscreamer | gb but which trash bin are they in? |
| 09:25.24 | jetscreamer | i want one! |
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| 09:25.36 | scv | haha |
| 09:25.37 | gb | the bit of coke bottle shoved in on top of the ramis still working though |
| 09:25.39 | Gnea | ATI's got a marketshare handed to them via vista, but that's doean't mean nvidia will go under - thanks to open source, competition will continue to squash monopoly |
| 09:25.39 | Gnea | now, if intel would pull their heads out of their arses and make a decent gpu... |
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| 09:26.04 | scv | cpu+gpu? |
| 09:26.06 | Guerin | s/intel/anyone/ |
| 09:26.13 | stoned | actually |
| 09:26.17 | stoned | I'd like to see an intel gpu |
| 09:26.20 | gb | jetscreamer: any near big corps/businesses who turn over computers often |
| 09:26.23 | scv | cpu+gpu+fpu? |
| 09:26.33 | Guerin | stoned: you can get one for a few bucks |
| 09:26.37 | scv | s/fpu/ppu |
| 09:26.42 | stoned | Guerin: I mean a real one |
| 09:26.47 | stoned | like a DX10 card |
| 09:26.51 | stoned | you know for gaming |
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| 09:26.55 | gb | universities/schools also throw & replace rather then fix broken equipment |
| 09:26.59 | stoned | put ati/nvidia in their place |
| 09:27.00 | stoned | that kinda thing |
| 09:27.19 | jetscreamer | i had hoped the kyro would but ... |
| 09:27.30 | scv | I doubt intel can make a fast gpu |
| 09:27.40 | stoned | i can make a fast gpu |
| 09:27.41 | scv | they did and failed |
| 09:27.49 | scv | O_o |
| 09:28.03 | stoned | General Pot User |
| 09:28.04 | scv | how? |
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| 09:28.07 | stoned | I make make one fast |
| 09:28.11 | stoned | like now |
| 09:28.17 | scv | use a VIA S3 copy? |
| 09:28.21 | scv | hahahaha |
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| 09:29.00 | scv | I wish I could VIAed my pc |
| 09:29.00 | stoned | jetscreamer: you seen beerfest? |
| 09:29.05 | gb | mm noanswer too my question I guess nini |
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| 09:29.17 | scv | all are VIA gadgets |
| 09:29.26 | jetscreamer | nah, i'm either too busy making money or too broke |
| 09:29.27 | stoned | my grub looks awesome |
| 09:29.37 | scv | grub? |
| 09:29.48 | stoned | I got a greenish/purple HUGE Biohazard logo |
| 09:29.56 | stoned | nifty blackish themed colors |
| 09:29.57 | Gnea | the only reason Intel won't make a competing GPU to nvidia/ati is because they'd have to contend with interoperability with AMD cpu's |
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| 09:30.01 | stoned | like 10 kernels |
| 09:30.01 | stoned | lol |
| 09:30.27 | Gnea | it's beer 'o clock! |
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| 09:30.34 | jetscreamer | plus i don't drink much anymore |
| 09:30.35 | scv | the only one good product of intel is the ICH |
| 09:30.47 | stoned | intel = king |
| 09:30.56 | stoned | I've always loved intel.. never liked amd |
| 09:31.02 | stoned | or anyone else |
| 09:31.02 | scv | intel ICH is the best |
| 09:31.11 | Gnea | jetscreamer: i haven't had anything to drink in over a month... a 12pack will last me a week or 2 now |
| 09:31.14 | stoned | I got ich8r |
| 09:31.15 | stoned | its nice |
| 09:31.24 | stoned | no pata support but i found a driver for jmicron |
| 09:31.26 | stoned | im happy |
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| 09:31.34 | scv | ICH is always faster than any trash |
| 09:31.40 | jetscreamer | Gnea: yeah 2 beers and i'm very buzzed |
| 09:31.48 | stoned | jetscreamer: try 1. |
| 09:31.51 | tameritoke | Hi people! Can somebody tell me how to deactivate the DHCP option?! |
| 09:32.05 | tameritoke | I want to assign my debian machine static aIP Adresses |
| 09:32.06 | stoned | jetscreamer: it takes literally half a beer to a beer to get me buzzed |
| 09:32.09 | Gnea | jetscreamer: that's fine with me, cuz anymore and i have issues functioning the next day lol |
| 09:32.10 | stoned | jetscreamer: I don't drink :) |
| 09:32.10 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/network/interfaces if you want to assign a static |
| 09:32.43 | Gnea | !tell tameritoke about interfaces |
| 09:32.51 | ice63 | stoned: right lol |
| 09:33.02 | stoned | no reallyI don't |
| 09:33.04 | jetscreamer | oh and man 5 interfaces |
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| 09:33.08 | stoned | I think alcohol should be illegal |
| 09:33.14 | ice63 | stoned: ok |
| 09:33.16 | stoned | but they already tried that about a 100 years ago |
| 09:33.19 | Gnea | stoned: it used to be, before prohibition |
| 09:33.20 | jetscreamer | it should be illegal |
| 09:33.21 | stoned | didn't work |
| 09:33.46 | jetscreamer | neither did the war on drugs but they still try |
| 09:33.49 | stoned | Gnea: it wasn't illegal before prohibition, it was illegal during |
| 09:33.59 | siimo | LOL@ http://ati.amd.com/technology/crossfire/promotions/overdrivecore/ AMD/ATI are offering a promotion prize "Best gaming pc 2006" and its a core2 duo |
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| 09:34.04 | stoned | yeh, I've never come across anyone who got high and shot himself |
| 09:34.14 | stoned | I'm sure you've seen those commercials |
| 09:34.14 | jetscreamer | i heard dual sli doesn't work on vista |
| 09:34.19 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
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| 09:34.27 | scv | crossfire/sli = double cost |
| 09:34.29 | Gnea | stoned: er, right |
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| 09:35.02 | stoned | my data is almost done being backed up |
| 09:35.11 | Gnea | stoned: smoking pot won't do it alone, it's the people who mix their drugs are the ones that lose it |
| 09:35.13 | stoned | I am just about to have a 500GB disk for use with deb |
| 09:35.34 | cydork | alcohol illegal?? wtf? what's wrong with you guys! |
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| 09:35.40 | stoned | Gnea: I don't even smoke cigs man, or drink. Nothing but a little bit of bakery ;) |
| 09:35.51 | Gnea | stoned: there ya go |
| 09:35.52 | stoned | tiny bit of doobery |
| 09:35.56 | scv | stoned, what's the brand of your hdd? |
| 09:36.03 | stoned | little bit o herbage |
| 09:36.12 | stoned | WD 5000KS |
| 09:36.14 | Gnea | and if they'd hurry up and legalize it, it wouldn't be so bad |
| 09:36.19 | scv | hehehe |
| 09:36.20 | stoned | cheap drive |
| 09:36.25 | stoned | 180$ half a year ago |
| 09:36.27 | Gnea | they've already started to outlaw meth, thank goodness |
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| 09:37.00 | stoned | All files copied successfully. 4676 files, totalling 81773.74Mb. |
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| 09:37.02 | stoned | argh |
| 09:37.08 | stoned | it didn't tell me how much time it took |
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| 09:37.09 | stoned | :( |
| 09:37.10 | scv | what's the good stuff in your 500GB hdd? |
| 09:37.17 | Mitja | Is there something wrong with KDE 3.5.5 and current Etch combination? After some time the objects on the screen aren't clickable anymore and computer stops responding to keyboard commands. Mouse pointer can be moved, but the clicks don't work. Anyone fixed this? |
| 09:37.18 | Gnea | stoned: half a year? let's hope it makes it a whole year |
| 09:37.29 | stoned | I just deleted about 200gb of pr0n |
| 09:37.36 | stoned | to make space for important data backups |
| 09:37.37 | scv | hahaha |
| 09:37.40 | stoned | like my music, etc. |
| 09:37.42 | Gnea | 200gigs of spank-that-ass |
| 09:37.43 | stoned | documents, papers |
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| 09:38.26 | scv | I cannot imagine the 200GB pr0n |
| 09:38.26 | stoned | I still got a good 140gb left |
| 09:38.26 | stoned | hehe |
| 09:38.27 | stoned | more than likely I'll be made to delete that in a few months |
| 09:38.27 | stoned | gettin married I think |
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| 09:38.46 | scv | ... |
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| 09:38.48 | stoned | wow |
| 09:38.51 | stoned | goddamn me |
| 09:39.36 | Gnea | wow |
| 09:40.36 | stoned | wow what? |
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| 09:41.09 | hagbard | Anyone know where I can get some help with debian on ppc? Specifically, after a kernel upgrade I can't seem to boot any more. |
| 09:41.27 | stoned | #debian-ppc on OFTC |
| 09:41.29 | stoned | i think |
| 09:41.35 | stoned | or #debianppc I can' recall |
| 09:41.44 | stoned | !ppc |
| 09:41.44 | dpkg | ppc is, like, is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 09:42.16 | Gnea | stoned: nothing, i'm thinking too far out of the box right now :) |
| 09:42.32 | stoned | think, not american |
| 09:42.33 | stoned | :D |
| 09:42.38 | Gnea | LMFAO |
| 09:43.07 | Gnea | scv: how is stoned disgusting? |
| 09:43.11 | Dacicus | Has anyone here had experience installing Debian on an HD image to run in Bochs? |
| 09:43.28 | Gnea | not yet.. |
| 09:43.34 | stoned | bochs is slow |
| 09:43.36 | stoned | too slow |
| 09:43.40 | stoned | so I hear... |
| 09:43.42 | stoned | !bochs |
| 09:43.42 | dpkg | i heard bochs is a free, portable x86 emulator that can run Windows, DOS, and Linux, rather slowly. Was non-free (shareware) at http://bochs.sf.net ; freemware is the effort started by the same author to do a vmware clone at http://www.freemware.org/. Bochs is now free (LGPL)!, or but it is still slow as fsck; and freemware is now plex86. Beta debs of bochs are available at ftp://rut.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/ . |
| 09:43.47 | Gnea | isn't xen > bochs these days? |
| 09:43.53 | Arafangion | Gnea: Haha. |
| 09:43.54 | stoned | I think so |
| 09:44.01 | stoned | hey |
| 09:44.03 | Arafangion | COMPLETELY different class. |
| 09:44.04 | jetscreamer | stoned is disgusting because he didn't have tasteful pr0n... just the lowlife stuff |
| 09:44.09 | stoned | someone said I was disgusting? |
| 09:44.12 | stoned | jetscreamer: :( |
| 09:44.16 | jetscreamer | yeah up there |
| 09:44.29 | stoned | I'm not disgusting. I just know what I like. |
| 09:44.38 | Gnea | Arafangion: i suppose so :) |
| 09:44.47 | Dacicus | Does this xen thing run in Windows? |
| 09:44.57 | Arafangion | Dacicus: Not "in" windows, no. |
| 09:44.59 | cast | nope. |
| 09:45.05 | Gnea | stoned: it's okay, we're not all commies ;) |
| 09:45.06 | Gnea | !xen |
| 09:45.07 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 09:45.12 | stoned | I am free to wipe this 500gb disk clean |
| 09:45.20 | jetscreamer | isn't xen like content management for websites? |
| 09:45.30 | stoned | hey |
| 09:45.36 | dirkson | I question the sanity of anyone trying to run virtualization on top of windows.... But that's just my bias coming out. |
| 09:45.37 | jetscreamer | s/isn't/is/ |
| 09:45.39 | cast | that dpkg reply is slightly wrong, with new cpus no porting is needed |
| 09:45.45 | Gnea | jetscreamer: depending on how you use it |
| 09:46.00 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 09:46.04 | Arafangion | I can remember installing win98 in boches on a fairly beafy computer, and then watching the win98 startup logo render LINE BY DAMN LINE. |
| 09:46.11 | jetscreamer | <dum |
| 09:46.15 | Dacicus | Okay, has anyone had experience installing Debian to run with QEMU? |
| 09:46.35 | Arafangion | Dacicus: What's the point of running Debian inside Qemu? |
| 09:46.41 | stoned | what are the default links for the /boot/kernel-file-here /boot/initrd-image-file here. I don't see em in / Does debian upon installation of sid/etch create symlinks in /linux /initrd to point to /boot/actual file name here |
| 09:46.45 | stoned | ? |
| 09:46.59 | stoned | Thing is I'm not installing grub on mbr or even the hd |
| 09:47.13 | Dacicus | Arafangion: Well, what I'm trying to do is install Debian in some sort of virtual machine like environment inside WinXP. |
| 09:47.17 | stoned | I'll be loading the kernel from a diff. boot loader |
| 09:47.24 | jetscreamer | i don't know if /etc/kernel-pkg controls that with grub, stoned |
| 09:47.37 | jetscreamer | it does with lilo |
| 09:47.43 | Dacicus | Is that possible, or should I look for another distro? |
| 09:47.53 | Arafangion | Dacicus: No, it's a fine distro to choose. |
| 09:48.01 | craigevil | Dacicus: try using vmware |
| 09:48.03 | cast | Dacicus: of course its possible. and just grab vmware server, its free |
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| 09:48.16 | Dacicus | I'm using WinXP Home... |
| 09:48.22 | Dacicus | I don't have a server... |
| 09:48.23 | jetscreamer | err kernel-pkg.conf rather |
| 09:48.34 | Arafangion | Dacicus: We're allergic to MS bullshit here. ;) |
| 09:48.36 | cast | Dacicus: grab vmware server anyway. |
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| 09:49.03 | stoned | if it doesn't, how exactly do I make those symlinks in the installer before I reboot |
| 09:49.03 | stoned | I get in the alt+f2 console but then I can't figure out where to go to create it |
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| 09:49.22 | Zap-W | anyone into iproute2 ? anyway i can make a specific service in my linux per example l2tp-control command to look at a custom table not the main table the main table dosent have the right default gateway for this service |
| 09:49.54 | jetscreamer | i heard vmware is the best |
| 09:49.57 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 09:50.04 | Arafangion | Dacicus: Once you're happy with Debian, though, you'd be better off running WinXP inside of vmware, as vmware really does run windows better. OpenSource stuff has better solutions. |
| 09:50.14 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: It is, really. |
| 09:50.28 | xingu | vmare, opensource, hmm. |
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| 09:50.54 | danf_1979 | vmware is faster than qemu :( |
| 09:51.00 | Dacicus | Arafangion: Sorry, but it's more likely I'll switch to some version of DOS than Linux for my main OS. |
| 09:51.02 | Arafangion | danf_1979: That's subjective. |
| 09:51.02 | Gnea | bam, lag |
| 09:51.06 | Dacicus | In any case, that's years away |
| 09:51.06 | scv | is there a channel called #vmware here? |
| 09:51.12 | danf_1979 | its not Arafangion |
| 09:51.16 | danf_1979 | its faster... |
| 09:51.19 | Gnea | scv: try joining it |
| 09:51.23 | scv | oh |
| 09:51.26 | Arafangion | danf_1979: Not if you use the kqemu accelerator. |
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| 09:51.39 | xingu | that's "kvm" to you |
| 09:51.40 | danf_1979 | kqemu is not free Arafangion |
| 09:51.40 | jetscreamer | Dacicus: at first, yeah... later, you find it's just nice |
| 09:51.43 | Gnea | vmplayer is plenty fast |
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| 09:51.44 | Arafangion | danf_1979: Though, vmware does employ a number of guest-specific /hacks/. |
| 09:51.58 | Arafangion | danf_1979: Is vmware Free? |
| 09:51.58 | xingu | like, say a virtual framebuffer |
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| 09:52.15 | xingu | free? is it even open? |
| 09:52.23 | Gnea | it's not open |
| 09:52.26 | Gnea | but free for use |
| 09:52.29 | scv | is there any vmware salsman in here? |
| 09:52.38 | Arafangion | Gnea: Please observe the context of the question I asked. |
| 09:52.40 | danf_1979 | Arafangion, qemu is :) |
| 09:52.40 | Gnea | salsman? |
| 09:52.44 | Gnea | salesman? |
| 09:52.48 | scv | salesman |
| 09:52.54 | Gnea | Arafangion: it was pretty vague |
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| 09:53.00 | Arafangion | danf_1979: Ok, then you're not comparing apples to apples. |
| 09:53.06 | scv | I want him to give me a price-cut |
| 09:53.07 | danf_1979 | I use qemu a LOT, but wish it could be faster..... |
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| 09:53.15 | Arafangion | danf_1979: qemu without kqemu is basically an optimized version of boches. |
| 09:53.19 | Gnea | scv: what would you do for him? |
| 09:53.21 | exobyte | How can I figure out what the parent process of a given process is? |
| 09:53.26 | danf_1979 | I dont use kqemu |
| 09:53.27 | cast | so how do i use newvserver to create a vserver that shares my hosts networking? i dont want a second ip for it or anything...or is that not possible? |
| 09:53.30 | scv | stab him? |
| 09:53.42 | cast | exobyte: pstree |
| 09:53.43 | xingu | kvm/vte is going to put a bullet in the head of all of 'em |
| 09:53.45 | Arafangion | danf_1979: Then you're using an optimized version of boches. |
| 09:53.45 | Gnea | take your violent thoughts and shove 'em... somewhere |
| 09:53.46 | scv | I want a price-cut! |
| 09:53.53 | Gnea | er |
| 09:53.55 | danf_1979 | If you say... |
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| 09:55.16 | Gnea | !dbugs 211765 |
| 09:55.20 | dpkg | #211765:S[xserver-xorg] xfree86: material under GLX Public License and SGI Free Software License B is not DFSG-free; Sat, 20 Sep 2003 00:03:11 UTC |
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| 09:55.36 | Gnea | wow |
| 09:55.42 | scv | so? |
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| 09:55.44 | Gnea | 3.4 years old |
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| 09:56.43 | exobyte | cast: cool, thanks. Any idea why a defunct process doesn't have a parent I can kill without crashing my system? |
| 09:56.49 | Gnea | so many license issues in sid right now... ugh |
| 09:57.19 | xingu | eternal vigilance |
| 09:57.20 | Arafangion | Gnea: I blame the GPL :( |
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| 09:57.20 | Gnea | Arafangion: i blame your mom! |
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| 09:58.04 | Arafangion | Gnea: Impressive, especially given you don't know her. |
| 09:58.18 | Gnea | Arafangion: doesn't matter. without her, you wouldn't blame the GPL :) |
| 09:58.34 | danf_1979 | heh |
| 09:58.34 | cast_ | because linux sucks. |
| 09:58.46 | Gnea | cast_: it certainly does. |
| 09:58.50 | xingu | cast: yeah but it sucks one louder than the other guy |
| 09:58.58 | craigevil | hm sunday already |
| 09:59.03 | Gnea | !beer xingu |
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| 09:59.38 | jetscreamer | yes it's a bad thing to be sucked! |
| 09:59.46 | cast_ | so what is this process that if you kill it your server crashes? |
| 09:59.53 | xingu | the best thing about kvm is that it's going to put a justly deserved bullet in the head of xen and uml |
| 10:00.00 | xingu | cast: watchdog? :) |
| 10:00.02 | jetscreamer | it's the user process |
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| 10:00.12 | cast_ | xingu: justly deserved..how? |
| 10:00.31 | Gnea | especially if she has an STD |
| 10:01.38 | jetscreamer | you actually can get the clap from oral sex |
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| 10:01.55 | jetscreamer | you can have gonnerea of the mouth |
| 10:02.01 | jetscreamer | or however you spell it |
| 10:02.15 | jetscreamer | now that's disgusting |
| 10:02.32 | cast_ | seems a reasonable way to get herpes too |
| 10:02.33 | xingu | cast: they're both interesting on paper but the design is an ill fit to the intended use case - being - multiple images on the same core. |
| 10:02.55 | farruinn | The debian installer isn't recognising the scsi cd-rom on my sun enterprise. It boots but can't find the cd-rom to install from. Any thoughts? |
| 10:03.17 | jetscreamer | wrong cd? |
| 10:03.26 | Gnea | xingu: i'll believe it when i see it. Sun hasn't produced anything profound since NFS, and even that proved to be a flop. |
| 10:03.55 | farruinn | jetscreamer: it's disc 1, booted fine. I'm in the installer, but it can't find the cd-rom |
| 10:04.08 | xingu | cast: given the choice between running an image as a process, running an image under a hypervisor - and hardware support for cpu virtualisation, I know what I pick. |
| 10:04.13 | jetscreamer | ah farruinn i've had that (x86 though) usually a bad burn, for me... sometimes if you go down in the installer menu and do the 'detect cdrom' it fixes it, but not always, and it takes a while to do |
| 10:04.19 | Gnea | xingu: on top of it, it's java, so unless they figure out a way to overcome the overhead of THAT will be quite interesting. |
| 10:04.45 | xingu | Gnea: eh? whatkvm are you talking about? |
| 10:05.06 | farruinn | jetscreamer: Ok, that's the step it's failing on. I'm guessing it doesn't have the scsi driver it needs loaded? |
| 10:05.11 | Gnea | xingu: you're referring to the K Virtual Machine, no? |
| 10:05.17 | xingu | Gnea: I'm talking about the guy that is in 2.6.20 that uses vte |
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| 10:05.36 | jetscreamer | farruinn: i mean 'verify cdrom' or something.. down towards the bottom of the menu |
| 10:05.54 | xingu | Gnea: kernel vm; em64t/amd64 cpu virtualisation. :) |
| 10:05.55 | jetscreamer | farruinn: but if it was me i'd check the md5sum |
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| 10:06.06 | blackba55 | how do i turn off dhcp at boot time ? |
| 10:06.06 | stoned | !d-i |
| 10:06.07 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 10:06.09 | cast_ | i'm more into vserver at the moment so these things don't much worry me :) |
| 10:06.19 | jetscreamer | blackba55: didn't you just ask this and i answered? |
| 10:06.21 | Gnea | xingu: funny, that's the first i've ever heard it called 'kvm' |
| 10:06.25 | blackba55 | no |
| 10:06.40 | blackba55 | i just gt in here |
| 10:06.40 | Gnea | !tell blackba55 about interfaces |
| 10:06.44 | jetscreamer | blackba55: edit /etc/network/interfaces and man 5 interfaces |
| 10:06.45 | Gnea | jetscreamer: that was someone else |
| 10:06.47 | jetscreamer | and that |
| 10:06.57 | xingu | Gnea: http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki |
| 10:07.23 | xingu | Gnea: it's coming, like the thundering herd; it's svelt, its sexy, and its merged upstream |
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| 10:07.50 | anAngel | Hello Beagle don't index anything from crawl files in /etc/beagle. Any help? |
| 10:08.25 | cast_ | http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian sure does look easy, anyone used that on etch? |
| 10:08.31 | Gnea | xingu: ok, now that's tight. now toss in 4+gigs of ram and i could see a few xen systems running under each kvm process. |
| 10:08.42 | farruinn | jetscreamer: I don't think it's an integrity issue. The checksum is identical. The installer simply isn't *seeing* the drive |
| 10:09.01 | Gnea | !branch |
| 10:09.01 | dpkg | somebody said branch was what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
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| 10:09.33 | farruinn | Is there a way I can manually tell the installer where the cd-rom is and, if necessary, load the kernel module it needs for that drive? |
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| 10:10.00 | Gnea | anapivirtua: tried http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/ ? |
| 10:10.12 | cast_ | farruinn: another topic but...there is always debootstrap if the install cd is giving you pain |
| 10:10.44 | farruinn | cast_: run the installer from a current system? |
| 10:11.03 | cast_ | yeah, or from any livecd that works |
| 10:11.10 | siimo | beagle rocks :o) that little dog will find everything |
| 10:11.27 | Gnea | so will updatedb+locate ;) |
| 10:11.49 | farruinn | cast_: you don't know anything about doing that from within solaris do you? :) |
| 10:12.09 | siimo | dont think you can find urls in firefox using updated and locate |
| 10:12.34 | cast_ | farruinn: frayed knot |
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| 10:12.53 | jetscreamer | !debtakeover |
| 10:12.53 | dpkg | well, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 10:13.09 | jetscreamer | o nm |
| 10:13.19 | xingu | farruinn: what hw is it specifically? |
| 10:13.33 | jetscreamer | farruinn: can you try a net-install ? |
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| 10:14.00 | farruinn | xingu: xun enterprise 3000. The cd-rom is on a scsi bus |
| 10:14.12 | farruinn | jetscreamer: no, I don't have anything around here running debian sparc |
| 10:14.39 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 10:14.50 | jetscreamer | i mean a netinst cd |
| 10:15.15 | jetscreamer | instead of the full cd |
| 10:15.20 | farruinn | jetscreamer: Oh, no I tried that first. It didn't see that cd either |
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| 10:15.44 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: OOh, they use svn! |
| 10:16.28 | pingouin | how to know where an usb device pluged is to mount it and make an entry in the fstab ? sdax sdbx sdcx ? |
| 10:16.48 | jetscreamer | pingouin: dmesg ? |
| 10:16.49 | Arafangion | pingouin: Just use an automounter. |
| 10:17.07 | cast_ | speaking of automounter i could really do with dinner |
| 10:17.30 | xingu | farruinn: e3000 is fas(logic) controller from memory, the cdrom is on the same bus as the hdd's |
| 10:17.51 | jetscreamer | farruinn: you 'might' ask in... oh |
| 10:17.53 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 10:17.54 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 10:17.56 | pingouin | jetscreamer: ok thanks |
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| 10:18.15 | jetscreamer | debian-boot |
| 10:18.28 | Gnea | siikah: no, you'd have to use grep and probably something else |
| 10:18.28 | Gnea | uhm |
| 10:18.28 | Gnea | yeah |
| 10:18.28 | xingu | farruinn: if you can see the internal disks, you should be able to see the cdrom too; sd is the block layer for hdd, sr for cdrom |
| 10:18.37 | jetscreamer | hw just might not be supported in sarge |
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| 10:19.54 | farruinn | xingu: that's right, it's fas. Let me reboot it and see if it's even recognizing the hard drives |
| 10:20.02 | xingu | farruinn: the other oddity about e3k is that it's one of the last generation of sbus designs |
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| 10:20.18 | Nivi | yo |
| 10:20.33 | Nivi | any kind hearted ppl willing to help meh ? |
| 10:20.40 | xingu | !ask |
| 10:20.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:20.49 | Nivi | aw |
| 10:20.54 | Nivi | sry i was new |
| 10:22.06 | Gnea | !xgl |
| 10:22.06 | Gnea | wtf? |
| 10:22.08 | dpkg | methinks xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 10:22.36 | Gnea | Nivi: in here, we also spell everything out proper, please do not attempt to simplify with 'sry' and whatnot - that's considered aol-speak and will not be tolerated. :) |
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| 10:23.34 | cat | hey can someone help me out |
| 10:23.38 | Nivi | i have problem with mysql im running debian sarge 'dont know what version' its keep giving me high load on cpu |
| 10:23.40 | cat | to configured my wireless card please |
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| 10:25.16 | Gnea | Nivi: how long have you been running mysql? |
| 10:25.34 | Gnea | !tell cat about wireless |
| 10:25.59 | xingu | I mean this is the 80's calling and they want their bus latencies and bandwidth back |
| 10:26.03 | sepski | navi check the mysql SHOW FULL PROCESSLIST |
| 10:26.05 | farruinn | xingu: great, that's just what I want to hear :P |
| 10:26.36 | Nivi | Gnea : 2 years .. but running on simple basic config, the high load happens when i reboot the machine 3 days ago and after that mysql being running abnormally |
| 10:26.55 | xingu | heh |
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| 10:27.01 | xingu | mysqltestx86? |
| 10:27.18 | Nivi | MySQL 4.1.15-Debian |
| 10:27.29 | itchi | On a Sarge box, if i want to update it, he want to fetch more as 900MB, somehtings have happend, i dunno what :-s But he want to install to many stuff, some stuff that was not yet installed; like x stuff. How can i avoid that or 'reset' aptitude? |
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| 10:28.31 | itchi | I have a list with my installed applications, can i tell aptitude to clean his brain and use a file that contain all the packages he only need to have |
| 10:28.33 | Nivi | someone said it happen to be 'indexes' or 'variables' |
| 10:28.38 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 10:28.48 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 10:28.48 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 10:29.23 | itchi | jetscreamer: Just bit weird that it have go so :-s I have never got any trouble with it, just now |
| 10:29.24 | Gnea | Nivi: so you've managed to migrate the database from previous versions of mysql and debian to the current state that it's in? |
| 10:29.39 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.49 | itchi | jetscreamer: Thanks ;-) |
| 10:29.53 | xingu | indicies? why would a database need those? |
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| 10:30.04 | xingu | answers on the back of a postage stamp please |
| 10:30.13 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 10:30.14 | Nivi | Gnea : its just dont change |
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| 10:30.27 | Gnea | Nivi: what hasn't changed? |
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| 10:30.44 | Nivi | Gnea : maybe the mysql goes wrong when the reboot happen |
| 10:31.03 | Gnea | Nivi: who knows? try /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
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| 10:31.26 | Nivi | Gnea : i've try that many times and it happen again after 5 or 10 minute restart |
| 10:31.42 | Gnea | Nivi: what sort of applications are using mysql? |
| 10:31.45 | Nivi | Gnea : the load was high uses 80 - 97% cpu usage |
| 10:31.53 | Nivi | Gnea : game servers |
| 10:32.04 | Gnea | Nivi: networked? |
| 10:32.44 | Nivi | Gnea : dedicated .. 'networked' not understand that part |
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| 10:33.27 | Gnea | Nivi: you may need to tweak the amount of client connections possible to the game servers (if you have a lot of players, that's probably why the load is high) and/or change the priority of mysql to use less system resources |
| 10:34.13 | itchi | jetscreamer: He still complain Need to get 937MB of archives. After unpacking 3082MB will be used. |
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| 10:34.23 | Nivi | Gnea : all mysql works fine it can handle several hundred connection , the high load happens when i reboot the machine |
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| 10:34.42 | itchi | I need to purge the brain of that aptitude app |
| 10:34.48 | jetscreamer | itchi: maybe --forget-selections first but i dunno |
| 10:34.57 | Gnea | Nivi: right - something's happening within the database data itself to cause the high load - have you checked the logs? |
| 10:34.59 | jetscreamer | you might break something |
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| 10:35.08 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 10:35.15 | tarzeau | do any of these java applets work for anyone? http://www.ibb.gov.tr/en-US/AnaSayfa/Cameras.htm |
| 10:35.29 | itchi | jetscreamer: Kinda weird, cause the box is so clean, and have a little bit more as the bare minimal install, it's a server |
| 10:35.30 | jetscreamer | itchi: one way is to use dselect and put _ 's on the ones you don't want |
| 10:35.44 | tarzeau | i'm getting loading failed with icewaesel and sun java 1.5+ |
| 10:35.59 | Nivi | Gnea : yeah but it seem normal .. and one more thing .. when i start the mysql after the reboot .. its says something about 'Checking the tables .. something i dont remember' |
| 10:36.03 | itchi | jetscreamer: Yeah, gona - with aptitude :-( |
| 10:36.21 | itchi | jetscreamer: It's just a mega long list |
| 10:36.22 | womble | Hi, is this message in my syslog anything to worry about? "kernel: netlink: 4 bytes leftover after parsing attributes." |
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| 10:36.30 | Nivi | Gnea : yeah checking the error .. on tables .. something .. i dont remember much |
| 10:36.42 | xingu | tarzeau: can't really help you but do they work with appletviewer? |
| 10:36.47 | jetscreamer | itchi: in dselect, there are like section headers.. you can de-select entire sections by highlighting it and _ or - 'ing it |
| 10:37.04 | Gnea | Nivi: watch the logfiles as it's lagging - you may notice a pattern or set of patterns after awhile |
| 10:37.05 | Dacicus | How can I determine which kernel debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso has? |
| 10:37.25 | tarzeau | xingu: i don't have appletviewer, there's no package either. is that a binary in /usr/lib or do you mean gappletviewer? |
| 10:37.32 | Gnea | tarzeau: wow.. yeah, works fine |
| 10:37.49 | itchi | jetscreamer: I know that dselect is kinda complicated to use, i'm bit sad because it's on a server and don't want to try on it |
| 10:37.51 | tarzeau | Gnea: strange :( do you have a magic iceweasel version? |
| 10:37.59 | xingu | tarzeau: /usr/lib/jvm/*/bin/appletviewer |
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| 10:38.15 | itchi | i'm tuxed :-s |
| 10:38.16 | Nivi | Gnea : hmm |
| 10:38.18 | jetscreamer | it's not complicated, just the list isn't eye pleasing |
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| 10:38.29 | tarzeau | Gnea: got something newer ? 1.5.0+update06 |
| 10:38.37 | Gnea | tarzeau: i'm running iceweasel 2.0 |
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| 10:38.43 | tarzeau | and icewaesel 2.0.0.1+dfsg-2 ? |
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| 10:38.51 | Gathond | tarzeau: they work here, if its the camera popups |
| 10:38.56 | itchi | jetscreamer: Gona try, i may be dead if i fail :-) |
| 10:38.56 | xingu | tarzeau: that'll at least eliminate the browser from the equation - or prove the fault |
| 10:38.59 | Gnea | 2.0.0.1+dfsg-2 |
| 10:39.05 | tarzeau | Gathond: strange. yeah i mean the cam popups :( |
| 10:39.22 | Gathond | tarzeau: this is amd64 running a sid 32 bit chroot, if that has any impact |
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| 10:39.30 | Gnea | tarzeau: i dunno... you may have to click on different ones.. i just had one crash.. the camera is probably broken |
| 10:39.36 | Gathond | ii sun-java5-jre 1.5.0-10-3 |
| 10:39.39 | tarzeau | Gnea: which one worked? |
| 10:39.47 | Gathond | is the java I use |
| 10:39.51 | jetscreamer | itchi: shift+i gives you a longer list, loses the description |
| 10:39.59 | tarzeau | Gnea: hey right , some work some don't |
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| 10:40.21 | Gnea | tarzeau: in bahceliever |
| 10:40.30 | Gnea | tarzeau: yeah, another one there just came up just fine |
| 10:40.34 | itchi | jetscreamer: I'm lost in that dselect :-( |
| 10:40.49 | Nivi | Gnea : there's nothing in log |
| 10:41.04 | tarzeau | damn ok stop trying you guys are dosing turkey internet |
| 10:41.09 | itchi | jetscreamer: Usually i use aptitude |
| 10:41.11 | Nivi | Gnea : i mean there's nothing in log that got to do something with the load |
| 10:41.21 | Nivi | Gnea : its normal as before |
| 10:41.30 | jetscreamer | itchi: 2 *'s means it's to be installed, 3 *'s means it's alreadyinstalled |
| 10:41.32 | Gnea | Nivi: are you looking at the right log? |
| 10:41.46 | jetscreamer | anyway... there's always aptitude |
| 10:41.50 | Nivi | Gnea : yeah .. mind to private msg ? |
| 10:41.53 | Gnea | tarzeau: man, it's raining there :) |
| 10:42.10 | tarzeau | Gnea: damn :( i want sun |
| 10:42.24 | Gnea | i used java-package for this one |
| 10:42.37 | itchi | jetscreamer: I dunno how i get these list, i only see 0. [A]ccess ... 1. [U]pdate ... 2. [S]elect ... ... |
| 10:42.53 | Gnea | Java(TM) Plug-in 1.5.0_06-b05 |
| 10:42.59 | jetscreamer | itchi: do 2, then 3 |
| 10:43.12 | Gnea | tarzeau: wow dude... they have such a nice camera setup |
| 10:43.20 | jetscreamer | itchi: update, then select |
| 10:43.28 | tarzeau | Gnea: really? |
| 10:43.35 | jetscreamer | i was taliking about in the selection menu |
| 10:43.38 | Gnea | tarzeau: the ones here aren't too shabby either.... |
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| 10:44.09 | tarzeau | Gnea: crashed my browser |
| 10:44.12 | itchi | jetscreamer: Got the loooong list :-) |
| 10:44.21 | farruinn | xingu: I was right, the installer wasn't loading the correct kernel module. I tried insmod sr_mod and it threw an unresolved symbol error |
| 10:44.33 | Gnea | tarzeau: http://www.az511.com/CameraImages/index.php |
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| 10:44.44 | womble | Hi, is this message in my syslog anything to worry about? "kernel: netlink: 4 bytes leftover after parsing attributes." |
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| 10:45.28 | jetscreamer | itchi: 2 *'s are the ones you want to get rid of i think |
| 10:45.31 | Gnea | tarzeau: turkey's is much better - they're live at least |
| 10:46.00 | xingu | farruinn: demand a full refund! :) no seriously if modprobe can't sort you out then the inst image is busted in that dimension; plan b is either - netboot/netinst - or - find a older/newer image that is not broken |
| 10:46.04 | tarzeau | when i say restore session the browser crashes again. can it not just show me all urls and not load them automatic? |
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| 10:46.08 | jetscreamer | itchi: and see those 'section headers' ? like titles? if you highlight them, and hit - or _ the entire section will be affected |
| 10:46.24 | itchi | jetscreamer: What mean you with 2 *'s ? |
| 10:46.33 | xingu | farruinn: insmod won't necessarily load depended modules - just the one you ask for. |
| 10:46.58 | itchi | jetscreamer: It's the New Optional packages that is so long |
| 10:47.13 | jetscreamer | on the left there are *** and maybe ** which indicate installed and to_be_installed packages |
| 10:47.15 | enouf | itchi: look into 'man apt-get' clean option, but look into aptitude's version, since you're using that already |
| 10:47.17 | Nivi | Gnea : can i pm ? |
| 10:47.31 | farruinn | xingu: ah! you're a life saver. I had to insmod a few others first! Thanks :) |
| 10:47.45 | jetscreamer | itchi: did you change your sources then update now you have a lot of packages to be installed? just change the sources back.. to the cd? |
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| 10:47.57 | itchi | enouf: Sarge's aptitude have not that nice option in the main menu of the TUI to 'clean his brain' :-( |
| 10:48.06 | jetscreamer | you would need to use apt-cdrom though |
| 10:48.08 | quelo | Hi |
| 10:48.13 | itchi | jetscreamer: I have looked, sources.list is still the same |
| 10:48.14 | quelo | I have a problem |
| 10:48.31 | quelo | I use debian/etch |
| 10:48.33 | farruinn | heh, it's still not seeing the drive though. I'm not sure what the problem is now |
| 10:48.38 | xingu | farruinn: I predict that once the novelty wears off and the benchmarks set in, you too will be underwhelmed with the flacidity that is sbus |
| 10:48.52 | jetscreamer | itchi: just remove/uninstall what you don't want, either in dselect or aptitude |
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| 10:49.11 | jetscreamer | or synaptic or whichever |
| 10:49.11 | xingu | farruinn: is it a 2.6 kernel? the driver really should be just "sr" - not sr_mod |
| 10:49.18 | itchi | jetscreamer: Yup, big list :-s Some stuff; i dunno if i need :-) |
| 10:49.38 | jetscreamer | itchi: keep the 'important' and 'standard' :) |
| 10:49.53 | quelo | if I do this http://paste.debian.net/21336 and /etc/init.d/networking restart i doesn't work!!! |
| 10:49.53 | farruinn | xingu: no, 2.4 kernel. I went with stable |
| 10:49.54 | itchi | jetscreamer: I should, it's on my home server |
| 10:50.05 | tarzeau | Gnea: check these: http://www.webcam.ethz.ch/ http://www.webtruck.org/cams/track http://www.swisswebcams.ch/deutsch/kategorien_show.php?cid=3 |
| 10:50.08 | quelo | if I do this http://paste.debian.net/21336 and /etc/init.d/networking restart it doesn't work!!! |
| 10:50.41 | xingu | farruinn: aah, well in that case you're on your own; that's half a decade ago and rather a lot of booze for me. :) |
| 10:50.47 | cast | wow |
| 10:50.59 | cast | newvserver, vserver start killed my networking |
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| 10:51.46 | farruinn | xingu: given that the machine itself is about a half-decade old too I pity anyone who tried to do this then :) |
| 10:52.23 | xingu | farruinn: last time I touched linux on an sbus sparc, 2.1 was a new thing. |
| 10:52.36 | Gnea | tarzeau: talk about kicking the USA's arse |
| 10:53.27 | xingu | aah, memories.. when smp was actually slower than up due to cache trashing |
| 10:53.44 | farruinn | haha :) |
| 10:53.58 | farruinn | I'm downloading the etch netinst iso now. give that a try |
| 10:54.10 | cast | any ideas why vserver kills my networking? route wont even finish printing |
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| 10:54.36 | xingu | cast: is it a name resolution thing? is "route -n" a working case? |
| 10:54.39 | quelo | if I do this http://paste.debian.net/21336 and /etc/init.d/networking restart it doesn't work!!! |
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| 10:55.04 | ulfstand | hi, I'm having problems to get my soundcard to work (Realtech ALC888) someone that have a hint? |
| 10:55.04 | quelo | I have no ip_forward setted to 1 for example |
| 10:55.32 | cast | xingu: yay. why yes, route -n does work |
| 10:55.38 | enouf | itchi I don't use aptitude much install the aptitude-doc-en (or your preferred language) , and read up .. it appears you issued a dist-upgrade? |
| 10:55.58 | karmatronic | quelo: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:56.33 | xingu | cast: ok so at a guess, you're getting some kind of udp logjam; some virtualisation has the guest NIC bound to loopback using a large link MTU - is that what's going on for you? |
| 10:56.34 | quelo | karmatronic yes but why dows'nt work !!! |
| 10:56.49 | quelo | karmatronic yes but why doesn't work !!! |
| 10:57.00 | cast | xingu: hold up, trying something random... |
| 10:57.53 | itchi | enouf: I just did aptitude; then u, then U |
| 10:57.58 | Gnea | quelo: you need to set some rules up with iptables to complete the forwarding |
| 10:58.00 | itchi | enouf: ... like usual |
| 10:58.14 | karmatronic | quelo: net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
| 10:58.31 | Gnea | !tell quelo about ip-masq |
| 10:58.54 | enouf | itchi: I guess it's unca sam saying "I want U" :-) |
| 10:58.57 | Gnea | quelo: read that, implement it, and don't use more than one ! at a time. |
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| 10:59.04 | quelo | karmatronic I've decommented the lines of the default /etc/sysctl.conf cile |
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| 10:59.39 | xingu | talk about taking a saw to the branch you're sitting on with the intention of building a ladder |
| 11:00.17 | Gnea | it helps to be sitting on a swing that's held from the branch above |
| 11:00.24 | karmatronic | quelo: sysctl.conf is a red hat thing |
| 11:00.27 | enouf | itchi: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ |
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| 11:00.44 | Gnea | karmatronic: no. |
| 11:00.47 | karmatronic | quelo: under debian you had better up echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:01.00 | Gnea | karmatronic: you are wrong. |
| 11:01.12 | Gnea | quelo: don't listen to karmatronic, s/he doesn't know what they're talking about. |
| 11:01.13 | itchi | enouf: :-p |
| 11:01.27 | H2S04 | s/enouf/enough |
| 11:01.28 | quelo | yes I saw!! :) |
| 11:01.34 | enouf | well .. i figure you can't install it right now |
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| 11:01.46 | enouf | what? |
| 11:02.19 | karmatronic | Gnea: what i mean is thats it s simpler to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:02.57 | Gnea | karmatronic: it's not the debian way. |
| 11:03.02 | Gnea | karmatronic: debian uses sysctl.conf |
| 11:03.14 | itchi | enouf: I gona press 36000 times on the - button |
| 11:03.15 | Gnea | it has for many years |
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| 11:04.02 | Gnea | karmatronic: we do not support using /etc/network/interfaces in that fashion. |
| 11:04.12 | itchi | It's just all the apps bellow --\ Packages being automatically installed to satisfy depencies i need to remove |
| 11:04.21 | xand | they bellow? |
| 11:05.06 | itchi | xand: Yeah, in the long list in aptitude |
| 11:05.13 | xand | bellow means shouting |
| 11:05.29 | jenipapo | Hi, all |
| 11:06.00 | karmatronic | Gnea: although many people enable ip_forwarding this way |
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| 11:06.24 | jenipapo | I lost the url where to get unofficial ports for Debian |
| 11:06.25 | karmatronic | quelo: maybe need to run sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf after making your changes |
| 11:06.43 | itchi | !debian |
| 11:06.43 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:06.44 | jenipapo | Could somebody help? |
| 11:06.52 | itchi | jenipapo: ^^ |
| 11:06.56 | quelo | karmatronic net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 doesn't work!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:06.56 | Gnea | debian-unofficial.org ? |
| 11:07.01 | sepski | !unofficial |
| 11:07.13 | quelo | Gnea the sysctl.conf file tell to simply decomment the lines... I do this but doesn't work! |
| 11:07.15 | itchi | There's a link to |
| 11:07.28 | Gnea | quelo: do not pm me. |
| 11:07.39 | cast | ahh, i have a feeling my problem was a typoe [/2 instead of /24] |
| 11:07.41 | Gnea | quelo: right, you need to activate it - listen to karmatronic now |
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| 11:08.02 | karmatronic | sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 11:08.08 | quelo | http://paste.debian.net/21337 |
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| 11:08.28 | aksn | hi all |
| 11:08.37 | quelo | karmatronic what means ? |
| 11:08.59 | Gnea | quelo: man sysctl |
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| 11:09.32 | itchi | jenipapo: Wich one need you exactly? |
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| 11:09.59 | quelo | ok but at boot doesn't work... is a bug of debian etch? |
| 11:10.00 | itchi | jenipapo: To install kernel .18 on Sarge for ex?? |
| 11:10.01 | jenipapo | Thank you, all, it was backports.org in my mind but yours is more complete |
| 11:10.11 | jenipapo | I need gcvs and cvsgraph |
| 11:10.18 | jenipapo | on sarge |
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| 11:10.20 | itchi | !backports |
| 11:10.21 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 11:11.15 | aksn | i'm sharing internet between my pc and my laptop, both use windows an debian. if the pc (gateway) is running windows, i can access internet in my laptop using both windows and debian, but if the pc is running debian, my laptop can only access inet running windows |
| 11:11.22 | aksn | any ideas please? |
| 11:11.57 | sepski | aksn, get any cheap ass broadband router |
| 11:12.12 | ix | agreed |
| 11:12.29 | cast | disagreed |
| 11:12.31 | sepski | aksn, get a wrt54gl , and you can even run linux on (openwrt) |
| 11:12.34 | cast | cheapass routers are a PITA |
| 11:12.39 | karmatronic | quelo: check your init files to see if you dont deactivate it at boot time |
| 11:12.42 | aksn | sepski, i connect using crossed net wire (don't know if it's ok written) |
| 11:13.02 | karmatronic | thats s why i told /etc/network/interfaces seemed to me a better option |
| 11:13.20 | karmatronic | although i recognize sysctl.conf is the debian way |
| 11:13.38 | quelo | with sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf work but at boot doesn't work... is a bug of debian etch? |
| 11:13.45 | ix | cast, and building networks with unreliable workstations and crossed ethernet cables are not? |
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| 11:13.57 | ix | s/are/is |
| 11:14.03 | petemc | whats unreliable about a cross over cable? |
| 11:14.08 | karmatronic | quelo maybe there s a line in your iptables init script that turns ip forwarding of |
| 11:14.17 | karmatronic | or something like that |
| 11:14.32 | quelo | I DON'T have an iptables init script! |
| 11:14.56 | karmatronic | quelo: iptables script or your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:15.07 | quelo | I always kept untouched the init scripts |
| 11:15.18 | aksn | if the gateway runs windows it works ok on debian, but i want the gateway also to use debian |
| 11:15.26 | sepski | aksn, a small broadband router would also have a 4port switch. removing the need for the crossover, and have space for more devices. |
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| 11:15.33 | quelo | ok I go to see it |
| 11:15.33 | ix | petemc, read the sentence again, I neved claimed they were. |
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| 11:16.02 | aksn | sepski, i dont want a router, thanks |
| 11:16.09 | petemc | ix: so where does unreliable come into it? |
| 11:16.25 | xingu | human beings are unreliable things |
| 11:16.27 | ix | the workstation bit |
| 11:16.34 | petemc | aksn: it sounds like a configuration issue, tho its too vague to know anything |
| 11:16.36 | sepski | aksn, if you want help with that you must paste the output of ipconfig /all\iptables and route print\ route -an on both hosts in both os's before i even start thinking about helping you. |
| 11:16.38 | Gnea | xingu: so are computers, what's your point? |
| 11:16.52 | ix | but - who would want to dual boot a gateway? |
| 11:17.01 | petemc | that guy |
| 11:17.25 | quelo | karmatronic http://paste.debian.net/21338 it seems nothing strange |
| 11:17.28 | xingu | Gnea: obviously not a molg fan. :) |
| 11:17.43 | Gnea | xingu: a what? |
| 11:17.54 | xingu | machines of loving grace |
| 11:18.18 | petemc | quelo: what exactly doesnt work? |
| 11:18.23 | aksn | petemc, yes, it must be config, but it's strange that the same config works if the gateway is windows |
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| 11:18.41 | aksn | and the gateway in linux works if the client is windows |
| 11:18.47 | aksn | so strange :s |
| 11:18.54 | sepski | i used to use 386's for gateway's but a broadband router with openwrt is so quiet and nice. and uses less power. while keeping the linux flexibility. :) |
| 11:19.15 | xingu | windows a whole bunch less pernickerty about things like whether or not to forward ip by default, and whether or not rp filtering is a good thing to turn on out of the box |
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| 11:19.40 | xingu | and for a host<->host<->uplink config these things may bite your ass. |
| 11:19.47 | Toast | Hi all, I upgraded my mysql package last night using aptitude, and all my users and all my data has disapeared, though it root password has been remembered. Any ideas what happened? |
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| 11:20.13 | Gnea | xingu: sounds reliable to me :) |
| 11:20.26 | Gathond | Toast: I'm not sure mysql migrates data betwween major versions automatically |
| 11:20.34 | Gathond | what did you upgrade from and to what? |
| 11:20.45 | sepski | Toast, check whats in your /var/lib/mysql |
| 11:21.01 | Toast | Gathond: Not sure, I just let aptitude do it's thing... |
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| 11:21.20 | quelo | petemc if I decomment http://paste.debian.net/21337 and /etc/init.d/networking restart the /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and the others don't change accordingly to the /etc/sysctl.conf modifications |
| 11:21.20 | m0nkeyb0y | yeeeeha? |
| 11:21.24 | unlink | why is |
| 11:21.30 | unlink | s/.*// |
| 11:21.40 | Gathond | Toast: ok, then I think its unlikely it has upgraded to a different major version |
| 11:21.40 | sepski | Toast, perhaps it replaced your my.cnf in /etc/mysql/ see if there is a my.cnf.dpkg-orig or something |
| 11:22.03 | Toast | Sepski: lots of files in there, which one did you want me to look at? |
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| 11:22.27 | farruinn | woot. The testing kernel loads the correct module for this cdrom but then it kernel panics. |
| 11:22.30 | sepski | Toast, those are your databases and should be in your sql |
| 11:22.42 | sepski | Toast, have you checked the logs ? |
| 11:22.46 | Toast | sepski: the my.cnf was replaced, but I checked the diff and there were no intresting changes |
| 11:23.02 | farruinn | wtf is " esp_handle: current_SC == penguin within interrupt!"? |
| 11:23.36 | xingu | aksn: you'll be able to ask an intelligent question when you've paste(ask dpkg)'d your broken config; windows - ipconfig/all; linux - ifconfig -a; netstat -rnv; sysctl -a |
| 11:24.09 | xingu | aksn: go get that lot together and then try again - your question is "here's my host configuration <link>; packet forwarding is broken; why?" |
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| 11:25.48 | itchi | The trouble is gone |
| 11:26.29 | itchi | ... and stuff is not borked :-) |
| 11:26.31 | Toast | sepski, all my logs are empty |
| 11:26.40 | thawebman | hey guys i just installed debian and at te first real boot i couldn't run te x window system |
| 11:26.53 | thawebman | what have i done wrong? |
| 11:27.02 | sepski | thawebman, did you install the x window system ? |
| 11:27.05 | itchi | thawebman: Depend about what he complain |
| 11:27.11 | sepski | Toast, sounds scary. |
| 11:27.23 | Toast | at least all the database files are in the correct location. |
| 11:27.34 | Toast | will google on how to reimport them. |
| 11:27.54 | sepski | Toast, check my.cnf if datadir points to the righ locataion |
| 11:28.03 | sepski | Toast, and do a backup before messing with it further :) |
| 11:29.01 | Toast | sepski: yes it does, and good idea... |
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| 11:29.57 | itchi | He, There's is somethings wrong if you update a Sarge box?? |
| 11:30.07 | Dacicus | I just installed Debian, and it seems to be registering each time I hit Enter as if I had hit it twice. Does anyone know why this happens? |
| 11:30.45 | cast | Dacicus: debian or X? |
| 11:30.51 | itchi | Got again the same troubel, on another Sarge box he want to download 1170MB and use 3403MB of space, a Sarge box without x |
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| 11:31.18 | Dacicus | Debian, I think. it's the command-line |
| 11:31.20 | itchi | Etch is not yet become stable? |
| 11:31.32 | sepski | itchi, not yet |
| 11:31.37 | itchi | weird |
| 11:31.47 | itchi | Someone tried to update his Sarge box? |
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| 11:32.11 | itchi | He want to install gnome stuff and such, when i had no X |
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| 11:33.42 | itchi | I do the stuff with aptitude the TUI |
| 11:33.52 | quelo | excuse me does anyone help me please? |
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| 11:34.54 | itchi | quelo: i dunno |
| 11:34.54 | quelo | I use debian/etch if I decomment http://paste.debian.net/21337 and /etc/init.d/networking restart the, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and the others don't change accordingly to the /etc/sysctl.conf modifications |
| 11:36.50 | itchi | Looks like it is the aptitude TUI that have a trouble?? |
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| 11:39.04 | cast | so i don't cut myself on any corners, see. |
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| 11:39.20 | itchi | cast: Have you tried? |
| 11:39.20 | rellik | how do i mount a daa that is divided across three files? (abc.part1.daa, abc.part2.daa, abc.part3.daa) |
| 11:39.45 | cast | i always use aptitude, if that's what you're asking |
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| 11:39.58 | itchi | cast: I manually unselect it with - in the TUI, but it's kinda weird that it happend |
| 11:40.05 | cast | rellik: whats a .daa? |
| 11:40.09 | thawebman | daa files are made with poweriso |
| 11:40.30 | scv | daa? |
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| 11:40.37 | thawebman | it's a iso file |
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| 11:40.44 | scv | no idea |
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| 11:41.32 | cast | if its just an iso file then cat abc* > abc.daa |
| 11:41.46 | irvken | what's the best way to install debian? |
| 11:41.56 | itchi | cast: The weird thing is that it only happend in the TUI |
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| 11:42.25 | cast | irvken: well what way would you like to install it? |
| 11:42.32 | boodie | Download a web CD, install it minimal, then download evrything else |
| 11:42.46 | Dacicus | Well, this is weird. |
| 11:43.12 | itchi | cast: He want to install kde and gnome stuff too and many x stuff, weird, cause it is on a computer without x |
| 11:43.34 | thawebman | yeah i did that 30 minutes ago and now it's telling me that i cant run the x stuff |
| 11:43.49 | irvken | cast, as quickly as possible and as up to date as possible |
| 11:44.17 | irvken | boodie, what's the diffrence between a net install and using binary cd 1 |
| 11:44.19 | cast | irvken: debootstrap probably, |
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| 11:44.21 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: hrm? |
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| 11:45.12 | itchi | cast: Trouble is solved, but still weird |
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| 11:46.29 | itchi | azeem: Have you tried to update a Sarge box without x with aptitude TUI today? |
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| 11:47.01 | azeem | itchi: no, so far I only had breakfast today |
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| 11:47.17 | boodie | Irkven: with a web installation, provided that you have a fast enough connection, you will have the minimal to start with (partitions, OS & shell & apt accessories) and then everything else you choose to have will be downloaded (in the latest version) |
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| 11:51.44 | boodie | By the way - has anyone tried OpenOffice base? It's a joke ... lots of water has to flow under the bridges before it can think of competing with access ... |
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| 11:53.04 | k-man | how do i force pfsense to reload all the rules? |
| 11:53.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: No more locale errors |
| 11:53.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: And Warsow works! |
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| 11:54.05 | azeem | congrats :) |
| 11:54.08 | k-man | crap, wrong channel |
| 11:54.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: thx |
| 11:55.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: The solution was almost annoyingly simple |
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| 11:57.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: I installed libc6, locales etc... from experimental |
| 11:58.37 | azeem | ah |
| 11:58.38 | quelo | I've solved by myself... with /etc/init.d/procps.sh restart !!!!! |
| 11:58.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | And it automagically worked |
| 11:58.38 | karmatronic | quelo, cool guy |
| 11:59.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: just so you know what to say if anybody has similar issues |
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| 12:00.30 | larsl | What's the best way to turn off IPv6 networking in Debian? |
| 12:00.44 | karmatronic | larsl, ask quelo :) |
| 12:00.59 | larsl | liblo is taking a long time to resolve even localhost, and I think I remember IPv6 being the problem earlier on another system. |
| 12:01.16 | larsl | quelo: ? |
| 12:01.17 | h3sp4wn | larsl: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:01.19 | quelo | karmatronic but at boottime doesn't work booohhh |
| 12:01.21 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, thanks |
| 12:01.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
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| 12:02.18 | larsl | OK, so I just add "ipv6" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
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| 12:02.41 | h3sp4wn | larsl: maybe you need to run update-modules (never sure on that but I just run it from habit) |
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| 12:04.53 | larsl | "update-modules is an obsolete command" |
| 12:05.11 | maddash | LOL |
| 12:05.17 | maddash | !hi dpkg |
| 12:05.26 | xingu | larsl: depending on setup remember that it might also get modprobed in initrd |
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| 12:05.34 | larsl | I can't modprobe -r ipv6 because it's used by 10 somethings (not other modules). |
| 12:05.35 | xingu | larsl: hence the fullness of the dpkg hint. |
| 12:05.37 | biz | dpkg says beryl is NOW in sid, on which mirror? http://ftp.debian.org.. doesn't seem to have it |
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| 12:05.38 | dpkg | biz: okay |
| 12:06.03 | xingu | larsl: it'll be "used" by the ipv6 autoconf addresses bound to each of your network interfaces |
| 12:06.38 | xingu | larsl: you can always ifconfig if inet6 del ... them |
| 12:07.36 | larsl | I only have two interfaces though (eth0, lo). |
| 12:08.02 | xingu | and there's probably a link scope address on each at least |
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| 12:08.08 | xingu | maybe site and global if you're lucky |
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| 12:08.23 | xingu | then there's the associated routes for same |
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| 12:08.48 | h3sp4wn | larsl: since when ? how else do you update the initramfs also ? |
| 12:08.51 | xingu | implicit address/route for ipv6 mcast groups... |
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| 12:09.07 | xingu | h3sp4wn: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-... |
| 12:09.10 | larsl | h3sp4wn: That's what the man page says. |
| 12:09.29 | larsl | update-initramfs to update the initrd I think. |
| 12:09.54 | larsl | xingu: All of these addresses need to be removed manually? |
| 12:10.20 | xingu | larsl: depends what approach you're taking; if you just blacklist and reboot, no need; if you're trying to unpick it without rebooting - yes. |
| 12:10.44 | larsl | I guess I'll just reboot then. |
| 12:10.47 | larsl | Thanks for the help! |
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| 12:11.31 | h3sp4wn | xingu: Interesting |
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| 12:12.38 | quelo | larsl : http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html |
| 12:13.23 | xingu | if only that link was correctly-diagnose-and-fix-faults-misattributed-to-af_inet6-support.html |
| 12:14.01 | xingu | the ironing is killing me |
| 12:14.07 | xingu | enable nat, disable ipv6 |
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| 12:16.22 | larsl | That removed all IPv6 addresses, but liblo is still slow. I guess it's something else. =P |
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| 12:18.06 | xingu | now that the laggard has enabled ipv6 out of box, I'd take a good guess that by this time next year ipv6 related wrinkles will be ancient history on the greater part of the internet. |
| 12:19.09 | xingu | I don't know if any of you lot lived through the slip->ppp transition, but when that vendor defaults something on, you grow up quick or die. |
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| 12:20.20 | Trewas | except that ipv6 won't be enabled default anytime soon by ISPs... |
| 12:21.20 | RichiH | Trewas: now that vista has ipv6 enabled by default, it might actually take on a bit |
| 12:21.36 | enouf | did anyone notice that "biz" inadvertantly/unintentionally reset(munged) the beryl factoid? if it matters.. |
| 12:22.06 | xingu | unless you count softbank |
| 12:22.08 | RichiH | !beryl |
| 12:22.08 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages are NOW in debian (unstable/sid) |
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| 12:22.41 | RichiH | enouf: how is it broken? |
| 12:22.50 | enouf | RichiH: did you have to fix it, or was it a false alarm on my part? |
| 12:23.00 | enouf | RichiH: I'll show ya .. |
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| 12:23.24 | RichiH | 13:06:29 < biz> dpkg says beryl is NOW in sid, on which mirror? http://ftp.debian.org.. doesn't seem to have it |
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| 12:23.27 | RichiH | enouf: that? |
| 12:23.34 | enouf | It's obviously not changed .. and Yes |
| 12:23.44 | enouf | and <dpkg> biz: okay |
| 12:23.52 | xingu | I remember people saying that ppp would never catch on, and then later that mschap would never go anywhere |
| 12:23.59 | RichiH | !says beryl |
| 12:23.59 | dpkg | says beryl is, like, NOW in sid, on which mirror? http://ftp.debian.org.. doesn't seem to have it |
| 12:24.01 | xingu | ipv6 makes it possible to connect more morons per second |
| 12:24.04 | xingu | it's a done deal. |
| 12:24.11 | RichiH | !forget says beryl |
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| 12:24.11 | dpkg | RichiH: i forgot says beryl |
| 12:24.19 | RichiH | enouf: ;) |
| 12:24.25 | biz | sorry |
| 12:24.26 | bonez39 | is it possible to remotely administer CUPS? |
| 12:24.30 | enouf | RichiH: you da bot man :-) |
| 12:24.31 | RichiH | enouf: the important part is where the 'is' is |
| 12:24.37 | RichiH | biz: no problem at all |
| 12:24.44 | enouf | I see .. biz no worries |
| 12:25.06 | cahoot | bonez39: if you configure it so - then yes |
| 12:25.13 | farruinn | bonez39: http://<host>:631 |
| 12:25.19 | enouf | RichiH: ahhh .. now I really see .. thanks |
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| 12:25.35 | RichiH | enouf: :) |
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| 12:25.45 | cahoot | bonez39: you have to enable the option in the cupsd.conf |
| 12:26.28 | bonez39 | cahoot, what sort of configuration changes would allow this? which option in cupsd.conf? I can change that.... |
| 12:26.59 | biz | RichiH, enouf: who set that factoid? where is beryl? i'm unable to find it.. even pdo says its unavailable |
| 12:27.01 | cahoot | bonez39: the best info is the howto on linuxprinting.org |
| 12:27.18 | bonez39 | cahoot, thanks.I'll dig in there and read it |
| 12:27.21 | aliasd | HELLO CAN I HAVE HELP WITH EDGY |
| 12:27.27 | aliasd | kidding |
| 12:27.30 | RichiH | !factinfo beryl |
| 12:27.31 | dpkg | beryl -- last modified 2d 12h 27m 34s ago by streuner!i=foobar@p54A5E20E.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 11 times, last by RichiH, 5m 23s ago. |
| 12:27.31 | aliasd | dont hurt me |
| 12:27.57 | rahul | !penixstrike aliasd |
| 12:27.58 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking aliasd to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 12:27.59 | RichiH | biz: i fear streuner lied ;) |
| 12:28.18 | aliasd | :) |
| 12:28.25 | biz | streuner: any ideas if beryl is really packaged? experimental, sid? |
| 12:28.28 | rahul | BREAK THE LINE / WE HAVE TO GO / CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY BACK WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM |
| 12:28.33 | xingu | !bitchslap aliasd |
| 12:28.39 | aliasd | i got beryl running on edgy, its pretty |
| 12:28.55 | aliasd | :) |
| 12:29.26 | RichiH | biz: you could look at incoming.debian.org, too |
| 12:29.38 | aliasd | i got it running on my etch box at work too |
| 12:29.42 | aliasd | its not as pretty |
| 12:29.53 | rahul | stoned: I hope you're not the stalker jules told me about tonight |
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| 12:30.13 | rahul | oh, he's probably not |
| 12:30.37 | streuner | !info beryl |
| 12:30.41 | larsl | I'm a complete networking ignorant - but why is my hostname aliased to 127.0.1.1 in /etc/hosts and not 127.0.0.1? |
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| 12:32.13 | larsl | locahost is aliased to 127.0.0.1, but my hostname ('box.lars' and 'box') is aliased to 127.0.1.1. |
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| 12:33.05 | xingu | larsl: 127/8 is an a-class and the whole lot is loopback per rfc. |
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| 12:33.44 | streuner | biz: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian |
| 12:33.54 | xingu | larsl: this way gethostbyaddr(gethostbyname()) = nodename |
| 12:34.08 | enouf | !why is beryl not in testing |
| 12:34.09 | dpkg | beryl is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=beryl |
| 12:34.09 | xingu | larsl: that's a guess, but if I were pulling that kind of stunt - it'd be why. |
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| 12:34.26 | larsl | xingu: OK. |
| 12:35.26 | enouf | hehe .. >enouf< why is beryl not in sid |
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| 12:35.29 | streuner | dpkg, no beryl is <reply> beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/ |
| 12:35.30 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 12:35.34 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:36.13 | larsl | Does anyone have any idea why creating an OSC server using liblo's lo_server_new() or lo_server_thread_new() would take several seconds? |
| 12:36.29 | enouf | streuner: nice comeback .. any reason the sid repos aren't carrying it that you know of? .. fork? |
| 12:38.17 | streuner | enouf: you asking the wrong person, ask X Strike Force |
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| 12:40.22 | muszek | hi. how can I set more memory available to APC (php caching module)? I'm on Sarge with Apache2 and backported php 5.2. APC is freshly installed. |
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| 12:40.44 | enouf | streuner: ahh .. gravity |
| 12:41.23 | stoned | I have a 490GB /home |
| 12:41.25 | stoned | !!! |
| 12:41.25 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
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| 12:41.58 | peterS | enouf: yeah, latest entry in http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/ mentions beryl |
| 12:42.01 | xingu | stoned: that all? |
| 12:42.13 | enouf | thanks peterS |
| 12:42.27 | stoned | xingu: I can't seem to fill it up |
| 12:43.07 | xingu | stoned: ${HOME}/media/sound/ is 4G here alone |
| 12:43.25 | stoned | xingu: I've got about 700+ cds ripped |
| 12:43.31 | stoned | mostly metal |
| 12:43.48 | stoned | then craploads of misc. songs |
| 12:43.56 | stoned | my /sound/ penis is larger |
| 12:44.01 | stoned | *ahem* |
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| 12:44.48 | enouf | peterS: I finally understand, that -L in ls is showing me everything about the where ther symlinks point to, but not the name of the ELF/exe .. which is the only thing I was after .. so that one could easily locate form which package an /elf/binary/exe came from via using dlocate, or dpkg -S |
| 12:45.52 | peterS | enouf: filenames are overrated. the Unix filesystem world doesn't have a strong connection between a filename and the actual file - files can have multiple names (called 'hard links') or no name (a file which has been deleted but is still in use - it still exists, but with no name, until the last app stops using it) |
| 12:46.51 | stoned | why is it that x-window-system core depends on so many drivers |
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| 12:47.03 | peterS | enouf: hence what ls -L shows you is the information about the file that is pointed to - the only thing you don't see is the actual name of the file, but as I said, files can have more than one name anyway (try "ls -l /bin/gzip /bin/gunzip /bin/zcat /bin/uncompress" some time, they are all the same file, 4 different names) |
| 12:47.11 | stoned | is it possible to somehow install the xorg without all those drivers. I'll be using fglrx anyway |
| 12:47.14 | xingu | stoned: it's the one with the lot |
| 12:47.32 | xingu | stoned: you could buggerise around and make a fglrx package that provides: them all teehee |
| 12:47.42 | stoned | hehe |
| 12:48.10 | stoned | so the dependencies are goig to be a problem? |
| 12:48.12 | peterS | stoned: you can remove all but one video driver, all but one input driver, etc. |
| 12:48.28 | stoned | i see |
| 12:48.31 | rahul | stoned: bcause that's what the xserver package used to hafve |
| 12:48.32 | xingu | are the deps ",", or | ? |
| 12:48.44 | peterS | stoned: it installs 'xserver-xorg-video-all' by default, which pulls in a couple dozen drivers, but if you know which one you want you can remove all but one 'xserver-xorg-video-*' and it will not complain |
| 12:48.59 | rahul | they're , because how would you know what driver someone needs |
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| 12:49.12 | rahul | stoned: are you stalking people I know? |
| 12:49.21 | xingu | stoned: the dep is xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-1.0 |
| 12:49.21 | stoned | rahul: why are you talking to me? |
| 12:49.27 | peterS | stoned: same with xserver-xorg-input-all, you can remove all-but-one xserver-xorg-input-* package and it won't mind. the reason it installs everything by default is that the debian package system doesn't have enough information to automatically install _just_ the drivers you need on your system |
| 12:49.29 | rahul | because I'm not stoned |
| 12:49.29 | xingu | stoned: so the rhs will do |
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| 12:49.48 | stoned | peterS: I get it |
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| 12:50.08 | peterS | stoned: better to install all drivers than no drivers and make users have to figure out how to install the one they want (: |
| 12:50.15 | peterS | s/than/then/ even |
| 12:50.16 | stoned | peterS: this works out. Let me figure out exactly what to do here now |
| 12:50.39 | stoned | peterS: well I don't need anything really but the required input, and for video I am going to compiled fglrx |
| 12:50.47 | enouf | peterS: I had had this fine url open for some time and was reading through it http://web.mit.edu/tytso/www/linux/ext2intro.html .. but you explained to me what hardlinks are (in human terms, not inode terms and FS performance perspective) :-) .. no I know the diff between hardlinks/symlinks .. thanks |
| 12:50.48 | stoned | X1900XTX video card |
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| 12:51.05 | stoned | also it would be nice to find some sort of an xorg device parameters list of sorts for ATI |
| 12:51.06 | peterS | stoned: well, if you build a proper fglrx package, presumably it will satisfy the 'xserver-xorg-video-1.0' dependency so you can remove all other video drivers. |
| 12:51.21 | enouf | peterS: not tomention I got 25 or so other windows open at any given time (kernel code, VT tech, all sorts of stuff) |
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| 12:51.32 | stoned | peterS: I could try that |
| 12:51.34 | xingu | peterS: more to the point, if the user boots the same system image on a different hw config for whatever reason (upgrade/failure/yadda) then is best to err on side of caution |
| 12:52.14 | peterS | enouf: cool. yeah hard links are just filenames that point to a specific file. each file only has a single inode, but can have any number of names present in the directory structure. simple concept once you get it |
| 12:52.32 | peterS | xingu: well, that too |
| 12:52.57 | peterS | xingu: but I think it's set up mainly to make initial configuration more foolproof |
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| 12:53.59 | xingu | isn't it fascinating how we monkeys always need a rationalisation for everything around us? |
| 12:54.15 | peterS | xingu: I do remember being impressed when booting windows 2000 with a different video card, it hardly blinked, just came up in 640x480 VGA, detected the new hardware, loaded the driver (already present, it was an old card), and switched to it. we've got some ways to go before we hit that point |
| 12:54.16 | rahul | I just accept it |
| 12:54.23 | rahul | and throw stoned around the channel |
| 12:54.37 | xingu | I mean if we'd just told stoned "it is because it is, alright?" he'd be all discontented. |
| 12:54.48 | peterS | rahul: let him who is without sin cast the first stoned |
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| 12:55.47 | enouf | Whoa! ls -l /bin/gunzip /bin/zcat /bin/gzip /bin/uncompress <-- d u d e .. :-) |
| 12:55.59 | stoned | lol |
| 12:56.03 | stoned | hey cut it out |
| 12:56.04 | enouf | that shit is cool peterS .. now I'm getting it .. |
| 12:56.16 | larsl | Is there any reason for getnameinfo() to take several seconds get info about the local host? |
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| 12:56.20 | peterS | enouf: notice the '4' in the second column there? that is "link count", it is 1 for most files |
| 12:56.29 | xingu | peterS: I remember being unimpressed when the s3 virge hit the streets and windows would do one of two things - either devicemangler bind the virge pci id to the stock 640x480 vga device making it tres difficile to remediate, or, getting stuck in an install-this-new-foreign-device-id loop over and over and over |
| 12:56.37 | stoned | peterS: I am install xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-video-ati but it still wants to install all video drivers |
| 12:56.41 | stoned | I specified only one |
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| 12:56.51 | enouf | peterS: aha! .. that's what that means |
| 12:56.52 | stoned | s/installing* |
| 12:56.53 | peterS | stoned: sure it will install them all, but you can remove them |
| 12:56.59 | enouf | doh! |
| 12:57.02 | stoned | peterS: not with aptitude |
| 12:57.16 | stoned | that thing resolves depends like a nuclear bomb |
| 12:57.31 | xingu | peterS: I much prefer the solaris/xorg way - let the admin blow their own feet off; cruel, but it whittles down the boob pool |
| 12:57.34 | peterS | enouf: now for the real mystery: why does a directory have 2 links? because ... if you 'mkdir foo' it gets 2 names: 'foo' and 'foo/.' - that is, the . is a link |
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| 12:57.55 | peterS | enouf: and if you 'mkdir foo/bar', then foo has 3 links - why? (1) foo (2) foo/. (3) foo/bar/.. |
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| 12:58.51 | enouf | you got me .. hehe |
| 12:58.51 | peterS | enouf: and how many links can a file have? 32767 on ext2, possibly more on other filesystems. 640k ought to be enough for anybody. |
| 12:59.00 | enouf | hahaha |
| 12:59.11 | stoned | peterS: hah |
| 12:59.21 | stoned | I recall someone saying that once upon a time |
| 12:59.28 | stoned | I was alive then, but I remember |
| 12:59.34 | nvz | peterS: /nick bgates? |
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| 12:59.40 | peterS | enouf: the only time the 32767 limit usually comes into play is if you have a directory with a huge number of subdirectories - each subdirectory contributes a ".." link so it's possible to want the parent directory to have more than 32767 links |
| 12:59.43 | stoned | wasn't |
| 12:59.49 | cahoot | stoned: the extra pkgs amount to what - 4mb? |
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| 13:00.03 | enouf | peterS: I;m sure those column listings are explained in ls manpages, but this tired old brain has been soaking up so much stuff, there ain't hardly any more room |
| 13:00.04 | stoned | cahoot: just wondering man |
| 13:00.14 | peterS | nvz: I believe the usual nick is billg |
| 13:00.16 | enouf | I see your point about CWD and PWD . and .. |
| 13:00.24 | stoned | cahoot: doesn't matter what the size is, still should have the option |
| 13:00.34 | stoned | nvz: is around? |
| 13:00.48 | nvz | peterS: whatever I read it jackass any way you spell it |
| 13:00.51 | stoned | The nvz is an elusive little creature. |
| 13:00.52 | nvz | stoned: might be |
| 13:00.57 | stoned | It comes out at night |
| 13:01.03 | stoned | scrounges around for stuff |
| 13:01.07 | stoned | :D |
| 13:01.09 | xingu | an alchohol lure works I hear |
| 13:01.27 | peterS | enouf: yeah, so if you wonder how many subdirectories a dir has, do 'ls -d that_dir' and take link count minus 2 |
| 13:01.33 | nvz | stoned: I come out when my drug is available.. I'm a love-sick fool.. |
| 13:01.40 | stoned | lol |
| 13:02.00 | nvz | stoned: she doesnt seem to be around now, but I left a message anyhow |
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| 13:02.09 | peterS | enouf: that works on most unix filesystems, though there are one or two that "cheat" and don't count those ".." as part of the link count |
| 13:02.11 | stoned | man |
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| 13:02.33 | stoned | nvz: it seems like I grew up all too fast or maybe I didn't. Got marriage at hand and I'm fretting.! Too much responsibility |
| 13:02.44 | stoned | I dunno if I can go through with |
| 13:02.46 | larsl | Networking question: Changing the line "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" in /etc/nsswitch.conf to "hosts: files [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4_minimal dns mdns4" speeds up getnameinfo() by orders of magnitude - would that change have any bad side effects? |
| 13:02.49 | xingu | those shotgun weddings eh? |
| 13:03.12 | peterS | stoned: is this a sudden change? with most marriages you have at least a few months to get used to the idea before it happens |
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| 13:04.11 | xingu | larsl: they're semantically dipoles; the latter will only do local filebased resolution unless my eyes decieve |
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| 13:04.48 | xingu | this spam war has to stop... "Subject: fetus rococo" |
| 13:04.50 | stoned | peterS: parents are pushing. Girl's graduating in the summer. I'm gonna be 26 in march. Its like whoah, wtf happened. I was only 5 yesterday I can recall. |
| 13:05.09 | peterS | stoned: so when's the big day? |
| 13:05.14 | stoned | no clue |
| 13:05.19 | stoned | no set date |
| 13:05.25 | nvz | stoned: heh, yeah well I'd love to be miserable... er.. married.. but this girl is still in the mind set that love, marriage, and growing together with someone isnt possible... she's just afraid of getting jaded again.. I'll change her mind eventually |
| 13:05.33 | stoned | its like I know it when my mom start talking about that stuff a lot |
| 13:05.35 | peterS | stoned: ahh - you talked like it was happening next weekend |
| 13:05.55 | stoned | eek! |
| 13:06.08 | stoned | well I didn't mean to come across like that then |
| 13:06.14 | peterS | #debian PARTY AT STONED'S RECEPTION NEXT WEEKEND |
| 13:06.17 | stoned | I just mean time went by and I got old! |
| 13:06.20 | nvz | heh |
| 13:06.27 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:06.45 | xingu | stoned: when you get your first grey pube, then you're old. |
| 13:06.52 | stoned | haha! omg! |
| 13:06.55 | m0nkeyb0y | Congradulations!!! YOUR MArried! "hands stoned Rings, House keys, Minivan keys, 5 kids, 20 more bills to pay, and empty will form" |
| 13:06.58 | stoned | I can remember when I got my first one |
| 13:07.00 | stoned | I was like whoah |
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| 13:07.05 | stoned | there is a single long thick hair there |
| 13:07.11 | stoned | whats going on! |
| 13:07.26 | xingu | I dunno, maybe you should hot-or-not it. |
| 13:07.30 | peterS | ok, uh, TMI and stuff |
| 13:07.31 | m0nkeyb0y | predictions of the future? |
| 13:07.59 | stoned | I was so easily entertained at that age too |
| 13:08.49 | stoned | one pair of flap jack bazungas on National Geographic'd gimme boned up for a month... now I'm old and need hc pr0n to break morning pisswood |
| 13:08.54 | stoned | life is short, and gets boring quick |
| 13:09.02 | stoned | unless we put out a stable debian each year |
| 13:09.04 | xand | stoned: are you a bot? |
| 13:09.05 | stoned | then it kinda works out |
| 13:09.08 | peterS | stoned: TMI dude, TMI |
| 13:09.11 | stoned | lol |
| 13:09.13 | stoned | alright bro |
| 13:09.15 | stoned | I shush |
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| 13:09.46 | glontu | hello |
| 13:10.00 | glontu | any ideea how to stop postfix from rewriting my "sender" header ? |
| 13:10.34 | peterS | glontu: that's more of a postfix question than a debian question, so you are likely to get better answers in #postfix |
| 13:11.08 | glontu | i have asked the same quetion on that channel too but got no answer yet |
| 13:11.17 | peterS | if anyone here knows the answer, they can give it, but quite possibly none of us know. I don't know. |
| 13:12.10 | glontu | it's worth a try anyway :) |
| 13:12.18 | stoned | concerning debian installer kernel boot params, is it required to pass the ramdisk_size when using the netboot installer. I see that the sarge install guide suggests it as a entry in menu.lst to boot netboot with grub |
| 13:12.42 | stoned | however, it makes no difference either way, without or without |
| 13:13.13 | stoned | why is it there in ig? |
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| 13:15.57 | stoned | !ping |
| 13:15.57 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:18.02 | enouf | thanks for all the examples and explaining peterS , and for the record, if you try and mkdir /foo/bar, and foo doesn't yet exist, better use mkdir -p /foo/bar :-P |
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| 13:18.26 | peterS | enouf: true - though you might notice I said 'mkdir foo' earlier in the discussion (: |
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| 13:19.06 | peterS | I think reiserfs gets it right |
| 13:19.06 | enouf | peterS: I knew you'd say that .. and you are correct sir! |
| 13:19.34 | enouf | ok .. cool .. got it mounted as ro,notail,data=journaled as well for safety |
| 13:19.34 | peterS | one filesystem that does not get the directory link count right is the classic unix network filesystem 'afs' |
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| 13:19.46 | czr | anyone played with ethernet flowcontrol here? I have a question about specific behaviour when it is enabled (if you haven't used it, you can't help me) |
| 13:19.53 | enouf | peterS: hrm .. not familiar with that one |
| 13:20.04 | enouf | peterS: seen ZFS? .. thoughts? |
| 13:20.25 | stoned | its not making sense to me |
| 13:20.29 | peterS | enouf: I don't use solaris so I haven't seen zfs. I've read a paper on it though, and chatted with one of the designers a bit about it, so I guess I know a little |
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| 13:20.43 | peterS | enouf: I think their use of 128 bit fields everywhere is overkill, but the designer disagreed (: |
| 13:20.52 | enouf | peterS: maybe some other time .. it's been a long few hours .. so we'll take it up at a loater time :-) |
| 13:20.55 | xingu | peterS: procfs is also broken in that dimension |
| 13:20.59 | enouf | s/loater/later |
| 13:21.10 | peterS | xingu: ahh, didn't know that |
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| 13:22.04 | peterS | enouf: the combination of LVM and filesystem into a single entity (the "storage pool", I think it is called in ZFS land) - I'm still not sure how I feel about that. it seems to me that it's useful for LVM and filesystem to be two separate layers, but that might be just a matter of opinion |
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| 13:22.39 | Mage_ | hello |
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| 13:22.44 | peterS | I know Ts'o wanted to take ext2 in slightly that direction, 10 years ago, but nothing much ever came of that |
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| 13:22.55 | Mage_ | how can I change de default Python version (from 2.4 to 2.5) ? |
| 13:22.56 | enouf | peterS: I see .. I've really only perued the intro info .. after hearing high praises elsewhere, especially concerning "recovery" if needed |
| 13:23.09 | enouf | s/perued/perused |
| 13:23.13 | streuner | Mage_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:23.33 | Mage_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:23.40 | peterS | Mage_: you switch to ubuntu feisty. you can't change it more easily than that. well, you could force the issue on debian but it's likely to cause problems |
| 13:23.53 | xingu | content based filesystems are the wave of the future :) |
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| 13:23.53 | Mage_ | ok |
| 13:24.07 | peterS | Mage_: for that matter I guess ubuntu feisty is also 'likely to cause problems' since it is their unstable branch (: |
| 13:24.11 | Mage_ | and no, I won't switch to ubuntu :) |
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| 13:24.19 | debfanman | xingu: ill be happy when the fs's come preloaded with movies and music :) |
| 13:24.33 | peterS | debfanman: like those demo .mid files on windows? |
| 13:24.40 | enouf | peterS: then that discussion broke into Solaris; use of the /tmp FS , and everything loaded into RAM .. just reading the procfs.txt(?) in the /Documentation, it appears that canm also be easily created and utilized on l9nux as well, if one desires |
| 13:24.40 | nvz | xingu: content-based? |
| 13:24.47 | nvz | debfanman: heh |
| 13:24.51 | debfanman | peterS: well, somethin more advanced than a midi :) |
| 13:24.55 | nvz | debfanman: keep dreamin |
| 13:24.56 | xingu | nvz: storage locator is a hash of object content. |
| 13:25.10 | xingu | nvz: git is one example |
| 13:25.31 | debfanman | nvz: im sure the storage of the furture will be rediculous in that sense (preloaded gig sized content on stuff simple as a fs) :) |
| 13:25.42 | debfanman | nvz: or heaven forbid, ad's |
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| 13:26.09 | peterS | xingu: you can't get rid of directory hierarchies without a whole lot of pain. so you'd have to layer that on top of your content-based locators, which is overhead. (yes, it's overhead in git.) |
| 13:26.16 | xingu | nvz: mapping namespace to storage locator is an indexing function and never really did belong in the filesystem |
| 13:26.17 | debfanman | "This FS is brought to you by Colgate....keep your fs clean as your teeth) |
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| 13:26.50 | boodie | the M$ Vista is out ... has anybody seen it? |
| 13:26.51 | xingu | peterS: yep, but does what amounts to a directory service belong in the filesystem? |
| 13:26.59 | Azar | hahahahaha...omg, stoned! |
| 13:27.04 | peterS | xingu: changing the name -> storage locator mapping every time the file changes, which could happen many times per second, sounds pretty inefficient. in git, contents only change at commit time, which is much less often than, say, a file in /var/log/ |
| 13:27.25 | nvz | debfanman: yeah well Win95 came with Hover, and Edie Brickell's Goodtimes music video.. neither was all that spectactular.. though I'd have to say the Goodtimes video was better than the microsoft ones or the game previews |
| 13:27.44 | peterS | xingu: do you _really_ think a new /var/log index should be generated every time syslog burps? |
| 13:27.56 | xingu | peterS: it gets you versioning and journalling for free, and it's dead simple to tune depth on a per object basis |
| 13:28.00 | debfanman | nvz: i figure 95 would have came with "sart me up". guess that they didnt wanna fork out the cash for that one |
| 13:28.03 | enouf | Fwiw.. i think this is the .txt I meant Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt |
| 13:28.07 | xingu | peterS: with that in mind - hell yes. |
| 13:28.08 | nvz | xingu: I suppose. makes sense to me. |
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| 13:29.12 | xingu | peterS: more to the point, when you think about object id's crossing system image boundaries, then things get really wild. |
| 13:29.12 | peterS | xingu: dude, the 90s called, they want clearcase back |
| 13:29.12 | enouf | czr: I wish i knew more about it to try and help .. but sigh* .. no ethernet flowcontrol guru here .. lol |
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| 13:29.17 | peterS | xingu: clearcase is what happens when you think versioning belongs in the filesystem. I for one want no part in that (: |
| 13:29.19 | xingu | peterS: trust me, the more people start layering virtual system images atop of each other, the more closely the world is going to go down this route |
| 13:29.32 | xingu | peterS: it's the only sane way to manage the backing store for same |
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| 13:30.24 | peterS | xingu: why not go to the logical computer sciencey conclusion and just jump to EROS? (the whole system is objects in persistent, checkpointed virtual memory, no explicit "filesystem" at all) |
| 13:30.51 | xingu | peterS: I can go one better, I use objectstore at work |
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| 13:31.06 | xingu | peterS: and there's nothing research/theoretical about that |
| 13:31.14 | peterS | xingu: and if you want to share data with someone who isn't using the same software? |
| 13:31.32 | fasta | Is there a version of mplayer that comes with a GUI? |
| 13:31.44 | xingu | peterS: serialise the object to something dumber? :) |
| 13:31.48 | fasta | (in Debian) |
| 13:32.02 | nvz | fasta: none are in debian, they are 3rd party its called mplayer.. the binary for the gui is gmplayer |
| 13:32.15 | peterS | we agreed 30 years ago that directory hierarchies are a sufficiently non-implementation-specific way to represent piles of files. you can't root that out easily |
| 13:32.18 | nvz | fasta: you have to run gmplayer instead of mplayer.. both are in the same package |
| 13:32.30 | xingu | hah |
| 13:32.30 | czr | enouf, that's ok. just found out a weird effect, but I guess it's somewhat to be expected. I have a program that bangs away udp at a destination address as fast as possible (basically a blocking send() in loop). this host has 1Gbps interface. targetA = 100Mbps, targetB = 1Gbps. if I launch an instance of the banger to both targets simultanously (with fc enabled), both will be sent at ~ 100 Mbps ;-). if banger for targetA is killed, the remaining will send at ~800 |
| 13:32.30 | czr | Mbps (to be expected). |
| 13:32.34 | xand | nvz: you're saying mplayer isn't in debian? |
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| 13:32.48 | nvz | xand: I am |
| 13:32.55 | xand | nvz: well you'd be wrong then |
| 13:34.28 | fasta | nvz: thanks |
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| 13:34.28 | nvz | xand: why did they remove all the controversial shit and make it DFSG compliant? |
| 13:34.28 | peterS | nvz: it's not in sarge, but it's in debian _now_ |
| 13:34.28 | xingu | trees are nice in directory services, but every implementation of them separates the locator from the address |
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| 13:34.30 | abrotman | can i get some bacon? |
| 13:34.30 | nvz | peterS: is it worth using? or does it still need 3rd party packages to be worth anything? |
| 13:34.30 | peterS | abrotman: it's turkey bacon, is that ok? |
| 13:34.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:34.37 | peterS | nvz: dunno, it has a lot of codecs but I suppose not all |
| 13:34.45 | peterS | abrotman: 'k, coming up |
| 13:35.03 | karmatronic | mmm,turkey bacon ... |
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| 13:35.07 | abrotman | what kind of question is that ... bacon .. turkey bacon .. same damn thing! |
| 13:35.12 | abrotman | well .. not really .. but it's BACON! |
| 13:35.25 | peterS | abrotman: yeah I'll eat both but it's not like I can't tell the difference. |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | right |
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| 13:36.19 | nvz | I never had turkey bacon but I am sure I could tell the difference between turkey and pork |
| 13:36.31 | m0nkeyb0y | hhmmm turkey bacon |
| 13:36.35 | abrotman | nvz: you can |
| 13:36.41 | peterS | nvz: it doesn't _look_ anything like (ham) bacon, no fat, but it tastes a little bit like it, thanks to smoke and salt flavor |
| 13:36.44 | xingu | especially if turkey wasn't plucked and the pick wasn't shaved? |
| 13:36.54 | xingu | s/pick/pig/ |
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| 13:37.11 | Azar | it should call it smoked turkey ham then |
| 13:37.17 | xingu | or soylent green |
| 13:37.23 | nvz | xingu: heh |
| 13:37.33 | Azar | or turkey bacon-wannabee |
| 13:37.41 | peterS | Azar: well, it's presented in thin rashers and fried like bacon, and the taste is _reminiscent_ of it, so I think it's fair |
| 13:37.45 | abrotman | turkey bacon tastes good .. but it's not the same as pig bacon |
| 13:37.52 | xingu | "I can't believe it's not bacon" |
| 13:38.06 | Azar | peterS: bacon without fat does not taste the same |
| 13:38.10 | peterS | abrotman: what is your Turkey Bacon Number? |
| 13:38.12 | nvz | ugh you are all making me regret eating breakfast without making bacon now |
| 13:38.21 | m0nkeyb0y | turkey bacons just.....more chewy |
| 13:38.24 | nvz | I just now finished eating plain eggs and toast |
| 13:38.31 | peterS | poor nvz |
| 13:38.42 | abrotman | peterS: i don't have a number .. it's all edible :) |
| 13:38.54 | xingu | !tell streuner about sunday |
| 13:38.56 | peterS | six degrees of turkey bacon! |
| 13:39.03 | nvz | streuner: because it doesnt mention breakfast.. and its sunday? |
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| 13:39.11 | Azar | yep is the sunday tards day |
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| 13:39.48 | streuner | xingu: but..., but if OPs aren't care about the /topic, why blame tards then? ;-) |
| 13:40.12 | m0nkeyb0y | There also exists a product called "Turkey Bacon", which is made from turkey, and is typically more lean than traditional pork bacon. New Zealand's Tegal chicken company has also launched a lean "Chicken Bacon", which is cured smoked chicken that tastes similar to bacon, but has significantly less fat and sodium. |
| 13:40.18 | m0nkeyb0y | from wikipedia |
| 13:40.34 | abrotman | he's sleeping i think |
| 13:40.47 | xand | how about monkey bacon |
| 13:40.50 | nvz | or at least taking a weed nap |
| 13:40.59 | peterS | he's off getting married |
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| 13:41.09 | streuner | haha |
| 13:41.15 | peterS | hmmm ... speaking of sunday, the sun is up, so I should go to bed. maybe I will make eggs/toast/pig-bacon first, that sounds pretty good right now. later, all.. |
| 13:41.15 | nvz | peterS: he's off getting a reason to be married you mean |
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| 13:41.33 | maddash | peterS: you're joking, right? |
| 13:42.03 | peterS | maddash: nope. I am indeed going to make some toast and fry some eggs and a strip of bacon. then I will go to bed. |
| 13:42.33 | xingu | I'm sure this clip is going to end up on youtube |
| 13:42.42 | abrotman | peterS: night :) |
| 13:42.45 | maddash | peterS: in the morning? |
| 13:42.54 | nvz | yep nothing like finishing off a day while other people are starting theirs.. gives you something to point and laugh at |
| 13:42.55 | abrotman | maddash: you're new here eh ? |
| 13:43.02 | nvz | heh |
| 13:43.16 | peterS | maddash: yes |
| 13:43.38 | xingu | note he didn't claim to be /eating/ the fry-up in bed |
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| 13:43.56 | nvz | though I had to get out of bed to cook it |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | nvz: you also have a bedpan |
| 13:44.04 | xingu | and a rag on a stick |
| 13:44.14 | peterS | right, I shall eat my breakfast before I climb into bed |
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| 13:44.27 | nvz | hmm i dont know what either of those is used for, and I'm glad I dont know and never seen them |
| 13:44.33 | dav_ | elo ! |
| 13:44.44 | enouf | peterS: thanks .. enjoy that breakfast, I know I will :-) |
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| 13:45.05 | peterS | can you smellllll what the peterS is cookin? |
| 13:45.10 | dav_ | i have a strange problem, im looking at some clips on dailymotion but i don't have any sound! but my sound is working, shld i start mozilla with artsdsp ? |
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| 13:45.21 | xingu | I'm thinking hotdogs and mustard and onions and relish for lunch |
| 13:45.35 | enouf | peterS: not from herwe, but my own Bacon going atm :-) |
| 13:45.41 | nvz | dav_: are these flash? |
| 13:45.50 | dav_ | nvz: yes |
| 13:45.55 | maddash | peterS: is that a some weird metaphor? |
| 13:46.02 | nvz | dav_: ugh.. I'm having the same problem :-/ |
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| 13:46.14 | peterS | maddash: it is a saying from a dumb TV show |
| 13:46.29 | dav_ | nvz: did u find any solution for tha fucking problem ? |
| 13:46.58 | nvz | dav_: nope.. I wish I had. its annoying.. everybody just points and laughs when you have flash problems |
| 13:47.12 | enouf | I usually just have a meatball hero/sammich for breakfast, right before napping/sleeptime |
| 13:47.27 | enouf | ...or spaghetti and clams .. |
| 13:47.29 | abrotman | aoss <browser> might help |
| 13:47.39 | enouf | ..or even FISH! .. oh my Calamari |
| 13:47.51 | nvz | enouf: ugh.. heartburn.. |
| 13:47.53 | maddash | are all debian users nocturnal? |
| 13:47.56 | dav_ | nvz: realy fucking problem, i didn't have that problem on KNOPPIX |
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| 13:48.22 | abrotman | dav_: aoss <browser> .. or try setting up ALSA OSS emu |
| 13:48.22 | xingu | flash9 is alsafied (and ancient?) |
| 13:48.24 | nvz | dav_: yeah well I dont have that problem on my friends box who had a damn near identical setup.. so its baffling me |
| 13:48.24 | streuner | maddash: Not everything which swims in see is a fish |
| 13:48.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I adjust ALSA's master volume using only command-line arguments? (No UIs like alsamixer or kmix) |
| 13:48.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | maddash: Yup |
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| 13:49.06 | CharminTheMoose | problem: I cannot think of a dumbass-proof way for someone to use my distro... anyone have any tips? |
| 13:49.11 | peterS | Dark_Apostrophe: if you have the 'snd-mixer-oss' module loaded, aumix has a non-interactive command-line mode |
| 13:49.24 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: lirc |
| 13:49.36 | dav_ | abrotman, thks i gonna try |
| 13:49.38 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: man alsamixer .. which would point to you man amixer |
| 13:49.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterS: Ok, thanks |
| 13:50.05 | CharminTheMoose | xingu: what? |
| 13:50.09 | dav_ | abrotman, aoss doesn't exist on my box :( |
| 13:50.17 | nvz | I doubt the aoss trick will work cause I have alsa with oss emulation modules |
| 13:50.23 | abrotman | dav_: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 13:50.25 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: ifigured out your fix! .. install libc6, and the locales pkg from experimental! .. all problems gone! |
| 13:50.32 | nvz | I just get a damn flash applet that appears to be playing music and hear nothing |
| 13:50.32 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: well you gotta admit you left the domain part right out of that domain specific question |
| 13:50.34 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: :-PPP |
| 13:50.39 | abrotman | enouf: please do NOT do that |
| 13:50.55 | dav_ | abrotman, the module is loaded now |
| 13:50.56 | enouf | abrotman: wha .. the 3 ps? |
| 13:50.57 | CharminTheMoose | enouf: hehe how mean. |
| 13:50.57 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: so if user interface is the problem, don't let 'em near the keyboard; ir remotes all round, hence lirc. |
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| 13:51.06 | maddash | oh well, time to switch to gentoo |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | enouf: tell people to use experiemental |
| 13:51.10 | CharminTheMoose | xingu, i like it! |
| 13:51.18 | enouf | abrotman: just ask them .. |
| 13:51.21 | abrotman | dav_: restart your browser and try again |
| 13:51.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: You really do iove man, don't you? |
| 13:51.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | (No pun intended) |
| 13:51.37 | enouf | !hug Dark_Apostrophe |
| 13:51.39 | abrotman | enouf: uhm .. don't ? :) |
| 13:51.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | love* |
| 13:51.52 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: they're written to help you |
| 13:52.23 | enouf | abrotman: I only mentioned that word .. *shiver*, because I have an ongoing relationship with Dark_Apostrophe .. ok? plzkthx |
| 13:52.32 | enouf | :-p |
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| 13:52.53 | abrotman | enouf: i know .. he wants to play warsow .. still shouldn't do it |
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| 13:53.11 | dav_ | abrotman, i m ttrying thks |
| 13:53.19 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: it is filled with strange and unusual things, things that were not meant for the common usarr |
| 13:53.22 | abrotman | !find bin/aoss sarge |
| 13:53.22 | Mark_Iron | good morning abrotman ;o) |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:53.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | But they tend to say what can be said in one line, in 5 |
| 13:53.32 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/aoss' (1): (/usr/bin/aoss) in sound/alsa-oss. |
| 13:53.46 | enouf | abrotman: yeah .. i know .. but still .. been suffering and whinig like a puppy fro over a week now, .. just happy the dilemma's over finally |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | enouf: it's been a month |
| 13:54.02 | dav_ | abrotman, dosn't work :( |
| 13:54.03 | enouf | hah! |
| 13:54.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: I solved the locale issues :) |
| 13:54.10 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 13:54.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:54.23 | abrotman | dav_: aoss is in alsa-oss .. install that package and try again |
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| 13:54.31 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: my missing boot option from yesterday was "locale=de_DE@euro console-keymaps-at/keymap=de-latin1-nodeadkeys" |
| 13:54.42 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: I know .. I read backscroll sometimes .. thanks for reporting back though .. now Enjoy! |
| 13:54.46 | abrotman | never would have guessed :) |
| 13:54.46 | dav_ | abrotman, i try thks |
| 13:55.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: :) |
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| 13:56.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Any alt. to amixer? |
| 13:56.37 | abrotman | aumix like peter said |
| 13:56.47 | abrotman | aumix controls the OSS part of it |
| 13:56.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 13:56.54 | enouf | Mark_Iron: why does thawt look so much like config.sys/autoexec.bat entry .. LOL |
| 13:56.54 | dav_ | abrotman, when i do aoss mozilla nothing happened |
| 13:57.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, damn |
| 13:57.05 | abrotman | dav_: is something else using the sound card ? |
| 13:57.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | I need ALSA |
| 13:57.18 | abrotman | enouf: they are preseed options |
| 13:57.21 | dav_ | abrotman, no |
| 13:58.04 | enouf | abrotman: right .. I'm aware .. it's just some parameters are mysteriously similar looking (country.sys codes and such) |
| 13:58.07 | abrotman | dav_: and you've checked mixer volume levels ? |
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| 13:58.15 | dav_ | abrotman, now it has ran mzilla but no sound anymore... |
| 13:58.23 | hark | nvz: you got the flash sound working? |
| 13:58.24 | dav_ | abrotman, sure it s working for other apps |
| 13:58.24 | Mark_Iron | enouf: it is boot option in isolinux/isolinux.cfg on the etch InstallCD .. I've modified one |
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| 13:58.29 | xingu | enouf: iso3166; learn it, love it. |
| 13:58.39 | abrotman | dav_: different apps use different output devices ... |
| 13:58.40 | enouf | xingu: and Solaris too :-P |
| 13:58.58 | derjohn | what happend to the softraid-setup in etch installer? seems to have vanished |
| 13:59.09 | Mark_Iron | xingu: WHAT is iso3166 ??? |
| 13:59.11 | dav_ | abrotman, this is what i was thinking but how can i specify which device to use ? |
| 13:59.12 | nvz | hark: hell no.. |
| 13:59.19 | abrotman | der0b: should still be there |
| 13:59.26 | mirak | would there be a way to have emerge on debian ? |
| 13:59.28 | abrotman | dav_: flash is closed .. you don't have an option |
| 13:59.29 | hark | aw |
| 13:59.35 | nvz | hark: I just tried aoss, which didnt work |
| 13:59.36 | xingu | Mark_Iron: giyf |
| 13:59.42 | enouf | ok folks .. /me having a l-a-z-y- sunday morn .. I'll leave ya alone , maybe revisit later .. |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | mirak: emerge-ish ? or emerge ? |
| 14:00.25 | Mark_Iron | what does it mean xingu ? *giyf* |
| 14:00.25 | dav_ | abrotman, no i have one that could be to link the device used by flash to the working device ? |
| 14:00.28 | derjohn | abchirk, mean /me ? well, I cant load the package "raid-bla" and can't mark partitions as physical volume for raid |
| 14:00.32 | xingu | !tell Mark_Iron about giyf |
| 14:00.42 | abchirk | Hi all, I have two webcams here..both are working fine alone...but if I want to use them at the time and giving the 2cnd webcam a second device he tells me that this resource is already in use... that are my VideoDEVS -> crw-r--r-- 1 root root 81, 0 Feb 4 14:04 /dev/video0 |
| 14:00.42 | abchirk | crw-r--r-- 1 root root 81, 0 Feb 4 14:04 /dev/video1 |
| 14:00.51 | mirak | abrotman: what difference ? |
| 14:01.06 | Mark_Iron | thank you xingu |
| 14:01.09 | abrotman | mirak: debian has apt-build .. if you're just looking to build from debian source packages |
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| 14:01.21 | debfanman | abchirk: video1 and 0 are same nod |
| 14:01.39 | abchirk | ah and how I fix that I have no plan about devices :D |
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| 14:01.56 | debfanman | abchirk: man mknod |
| 14:02.00 | enouf | heh .. and I thought it was the more sinister google it you f*** |
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| 14:02.28 | enouf | reminiscent of jfgi |
| 14:02.28 | debfanman | abchirk: video1 should probably be 81,1 not 81,0 |
| 14:02.52 | abchirk | ah ok thx |
| 14:02.54 | abchirk | I will tra |
| 14:02.57 | abchirk | *try |
| 14:03.06 | mirak | abrotman: apt-build is not good. |
| 14:03.12 | abrotman | whynot >? |
| 14:03.51 | mirak | abrotman: it doesn't recurse for compling depencies |
| 14:04.04 | abrotman | !source |
| 14:04.04 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | !apt-build |
| 14:04.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
| 14:04.10 | mirak | abrotman: you can't rebuild depencies automatically I mean |
| 14:04.13 | Mark_Iron | fucking commercials --- iso3166 ??? - Buy ISO 3166 databases --- http://www.iso.org/iso/en/prods-services/iso3166ma/index.html æ xingu |
| 14:04.16 | enouf | !info dpkg-deb |
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| 14:04.31 | enouf | heh |
| 14:04.55 | mirak | abrotman: well it's not n depth rebuilding |
| 14:05.23 | abrotman | mirak: i heard gentoo can do that |
| 14:05.35 | enouf | Maintainers guide anyone? just --> /msg dpkg mg |
| 14:05.45 | xingu | nvz: re: flash/sound; flash<9 uses oss api; if you don't run with aoss and something else has the sound dev open, it'll fail; if you do run it with aoss make sure it binds to the right alsa channel/device; also there's a volume control inside the flash applet, check that; if you use flash>=9, a lot of that crap goes away. |
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| 14:05.55 | abrotman | mirak: if you read that URL .. it tells you how to build the whole OS with apt-build |
| 14:06.11 | xingu | nvz: often it's as simple as noticing that the working host has no esd and the non-working host does... |
| 14:06.40 | mirak | abrotman: I tried to do that once, maybe it was updated since, but I needed to do a list with dpkg -l or something |
| 14:06.59 | abrotman | mirak: then you might be more happy with a source-based distro |
| 14:07.05 | enouf | nvz: you have snd_pcmossaded? |
| 14:07.29 | enouf | nvz: bah .. you have snd_pcm_ oss loaded? |
| 14:07.48 | mirak | abrotman: unfortunely most of this distros thinks that configuration handling is useless and also that it's useless to provide fallback binary packages. |
| 14:08.23 | mirak | abrotman: not even talking about the installers ... though I heard gentoo was going to have one |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | mirak: i thought gentoo had binary packaeg |
| 14:09.05 | mirak | abrotman: I think it can, the system allows it, but there is no repository |
| 14:09.14 | mirak | I will ask themolester |
| 14:09.20 | mirak | lol what a nickname |
| 14:09.29 | enouf | I think gentoo has stages or recommended trials .. 1 - 3 .. 3 for newbies |
| 14:09.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:09.33 | mirak | I will ask on gentoo channel |
| 14:09.38 | dav_ | abrotman, just can u say me the name ofthe device you use if it works on your box, that cld be the solution ... |
| 14:09.48 | abrotman | mirak: maybe read the man page for apt-build and see if there's a way to do it |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | dav_: mine uses /dev/dsp AFAIK |
| 14:10.12 | abchirk | thx debfanman now i get a new error message, but step by step :D |
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| 14:10.24 | nvz | enouf: yes but thats irrelevant flash doesnt use OSS |
| 14:10.25 | mirak | abrotman: in fact I always hoped, that debian would like to try to be on same par than gentoo on this technical aspect, just to proove it can, but it never happened. |
| 14:10.44 | dav_ | abrotman, thks |
| 14:10.47 | abrotman | mirak: but you can build your entire debian box if you choose |
| 14:10.50 | enouf | nvz: true .. but alsa needs a wrapper for anything that does |
| 14:11.00 | nvz | enouf: I am finding out through signal tracing that firefox/flash isnt finding my card |
| 14:11.15 | enouf | nvz: ouch |
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| 14:11.55 | enouf | nvz: got any DE running? |
| 14:11.56 | xingu | nvz: which flash plugin v is it? |
| 14:12.04 | mirak | abrotman: I tried to modify the perl script of apt-build but failed miserably lol |
| 14:12.19 | streuner | !gentoosmite mirak |
| 14:12.19 | Mark_Iron | are you a DD abrotman ? |
| 14:12.24 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: no |
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| 14:12.37 | hark | !greenhouse |
| 14:12.37 | mirak | abrotman: from my experience with apt-build, there are troubles keeping the built package. apt always want to update them. |
| 14:12.37 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 14:12.38 | enouf | nvz: try enabling "full-duplex" wherever you can find it in gcc/kcc .. or alsa options |
| 14:12.44 | abrotman | mirak: you could ask the mailing lists ( or the maintainer) for help maybe ? |
| 14:12.55 | abrotman | !tell mirak about hold |
| 14:12.57 | nvz | enouf: no I use a custom session sawfish, nautilus, gnome-panel. these seem interesting open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) \n open("/dev/aloadC0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 14:13.01 | enouf | nvz: also pkill artsd if using kde |
| 14:13.15 | streuner | abrotman: bad luck, for the next debconf its too late now... |
| 14:13.26 | abrotman | streuner: i can still go |
| 14:13.27 | xingu | nvz: you are in the audio group right? :) |
| 14:13.27 | mirak | abrotman: I did already, I forgot. I also found a ubuntu thread where some guys wanted to perfect it, I will search to see where it's gone. I think they called it genbuntu. |
| 14:13.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:14.01 | enouf | nvz: I have there --> controlC0 midiC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p seq timer |
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| 14:14.08 | nvz | enouf: flash is trying to read the alsa config and is just simply not finding a card.. I am catching the signals I can see whats happening its not an issue of device in use, its an issue of no device found |
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| 14:14.22 | xingu | oh well. |
| 14:14.30 | nvz | xingu: you're just not making any sense |
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| 14:14.37 | streuner | abrotman: its not that expensive from NY to EDN |
| 14:14.39 | xingu | nvz: is your user in the audio group? |
| 14:14.51 | nvz | xingu: then again you dont realize I've been troubleshooting this for a week, and I am listening to music right now.. so the sound works |
| 14:14.57 | streuner | abrotman: (flight) |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | streuner: it's about 1k |
| 14:15.13 | enouf | nvz: "/dev/aloadC0", is I have no friggin cluew |
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| 14:15.20 | nvz | xingu: I'm well beyond the obvious basic sound troubleshooting I started troubleshooting beyond that point |
| 14:15.34 | nvz | cause sounds work aside from the flash plugin |
| 14:15.52 | nvz | and the flashplugin works aside from having sound |
| 14:15.56 | HeXiLed | debian still with gcc 3 ? |
| 14:16.04 | xingu | nvz: sure, but -ENOENT for /dev/snd/controlC0 sounds like a permission issue |
| 14:16.16 | dav_ | abrotman, look the problem seems to come from here |
| 14:16.21 | enouf | nvz: do you have that node(s) in /dev/snd ? |
| 14:16.23 | streuner | HeXiLed: check out packages.debian.org |
| 14:16.24 | nvz | xingu: id doesnt say permission denied, it says no such file or directory |
| 14:16.24 | hark | HeXiLed: stable, yes. |
| 14:16.24 | dav_ | abrotman, debian:/etc/iceweasel# cat iceweaselrc |
| 14:16.24 | dav_ | # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use |
| 14:16.24 | dav_ | ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" |
| 14:16.28 | HeXiLed | gee |
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| 14:16.36 | abrotman | dav_: which version of flash ? |
| 14:16.51 | streuner | abrotman: i heard that other stuff is more expensive, food etc. etc. |
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| 14:17.14 | abrotman | streuner: it sure is .. but $1,000 isn't a cheap flight |
| 14:17.29 | enouf | nvz: check --> |
| 14:17.32 | enouf | /proc/asound$ ls |
| 14:17.32 | enouf | AudioPCI card0 cards devices modules oss pcm seq timers version |
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| 14:17.54 | nvz | enouf: no /dev/snd/ doesnt exist at all and /dev/aloadC0 doesnt either |
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| 14:18.05 | enouf | nvz: not good |
| 14:18.24 | enouf | mknod .. see /Documentation/devices.txt |
| 14:18.34 | xingu | sysfs creates 'em. |
| 14:18.38 | xingu | well, udev. |
| 14:18.51 | nvz | enouf: the /proc/asound/exists and looks somewhat similar though |
| 14:19.14 | xingu | nvz: does /etc/udev/alsa-utils.rules exist? |
| 14:19.16 | nvz | card0 cards devices modules oss pcm rev50 seq timers version |
| 14:19.24 | nvz | is what /proc/asound/ has |
| 14:19.28 | abrotman | !tell phet about root |
| 14:19.56 | enouf | nvz: Mine's an Onboard ensoniq audiopci though |
| 14:19.57 | xand | !monkeys |
| 14:19.57 | dpkg | i guess monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 14:20.02 | nvz | xingu: I am not using udev |
| 14:20.04 | dav_ | abrotman, doesn't work |
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| 14:20.10 | enouf | nvz: using the es1371 driver |
| 14:20.17 | enouf | got that loaded? |
| 14:20.28 | nvz | xingu: but no it doesnt exist |
| 14:20.47 | enouf | snd_ac97_codec 82784 1 snd_ens1371 |
| 14:20.49 | xingu | nvz: apparently - alsa-base creates the devices for non udev |
| 14:20.50 | abrotman | dav_: which version of flash? 7 or 9? |
| 14:20.53 | nvz | enouf: no, but then again I dont have that sound card.. so that driver would fail to load |
| 14:20.56 | xingu | nvz: maybe --reinstall that? |
| 14:21.18 | nvz | xingu: maybe _install_ it? heh |
| 14:21.35 | nvz | un alsa-base <none> (no description available) |
| 14:21.40 | enouf | nvz: /msg dpkg which driver (maybe follow up .. please say you're using a 2.6 kernel) |
| 14:22.06 | enouf | nvz: uname -r |
| 14:22.09 | nvz | enouf: yeah I am using 2.6 and the snd_via-blah onboard thing |
| 14:22.15 | nvz | 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 14:22.29 | enouf | ouch .. upgrade thet sucka |
| 14:22.37 | nvz | enouf: I think the whole missing dev entries is the problem and I think xingu provided the solution |
| 14:22.39 | enouf | you got no udev support |
| 14:22.46 | abrotman | that shouldn't matter |
| 14:22.46 | xingu | nvz: nb alsa-utils conflicts; but it will create them on install/upgrade too |
| 14:22.47 | enouf | ok |
| 14:22.55 | xingu | nvz: just eyeballed the preinst to check. |
| 14:22.59 | nvz | what the hell do I need/want udev for :P |
| 14:23.08 | xingu | because life is simple when you're sure |
| 14:23.11 | xingu | :) |
| 14:23.24 | nvz | I watched devfs come and go |
| 14:23.29 | nvz | I figured udev was just as bad |
| 14:23.51 | nvz | probably not so.. but devfs was evil.. I dont care what anybody says |
| 14:24.05 | xingu | nah, udev is simple; it's just an event transport at the end of the day |
| 14:24.29 | hark | nvz: does ALSA work as such? like aplay something.. |
| 14:24.30 | xingu | I mean you're right it's taking a while to sort the namespace out - witness /sys/block |
| 14:24.33 | xingu | but it's getting there |
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| 14:25.01 | ^LoRd_NiTrO^ | wanted to download debian through cdimage.debian.org which torrent file shall i use? all of them? |
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| 14:25.22 | xingu | udev is pretty intertwingled with hotplug now too; and everything else is intertwingled with hotplug since 2.6.17-late or so |
| 14:25.23 | vumba | when i press alt+F2 (on Gnome) to run an application the icon on the left isn't clear. what can i do about it? |
| 14:25.30 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 14:25.34 | abrotman | ^LoRd_NiTrO^: netinst |
| 14:25.52 | xingu | so... you basically are going to get to love it in the long run |
| 14:25.55 | jenipapo | maybe somebody knows what graphical frontend to use for subversion? |
| 14:26.05 | abrotman | xingu: hotplug is gone |
| 14:26.10 | nvz | hark: I dunno I wouldnt even be using alsa if it didnt automagically load somehow.. I dont even realize when I switched from OSS to ALSA cause I only use OSS applications.. at some point I upgraded a kernel and it started me using ALSA.. my sound apps stopped working, I loaded OSS emu modules and went on about my business |
| 14:26.22 | nvz | hark: I dont have any alsa related packages installed to know if that shit works |
| 14:26.34 | enouf | nvz: udev is more related to hotplug as well, but it's a bit more complicated tghan devfs, but in compliance with FHS, LFB |
| 14:26.35 | xingu | abrotman: hotplug the abstraction, not the userland tool. :) |
| 14:26.50 | nvz | enouf: yeah well I am not friends with hotplug either. |
| 14:26.57 | abrotman | xingu: called coldplug IIRC |
| 14:27.04 | enouf | nvz: many ppl are enemies ..:-P |
| 14:27.07 | hark | nvz: yeah, i think ff got flash9 which is causing the whole problem.. |
| 14:27.13 | enouf | !start an Army |
| 14:27.14 | nvz | enouf: discover, hotplug.. all these new-fangled things can go straight to hell |
| 14:27.22 | abrotman | and it sitll shouldn't have anything to do with flash not making sounds |
| 14:27.23 | nvz | hark: yep I got flash9 from ff |
| 14:27.40 | hark | nvz: and that needs ALSA afaik |
| 14:28.00 | hark | and you got no /dev/snd stuff.. |
| 14:28.01 | nvz | enouf: for people like me who learned linux before all this shit existed its easier to just keep doing the things the way I understand them then to learn new shit to make it "easier" on me |
| 14:28.03 | enouf | udev handles hotplug events in conjunction wioth Dbus and Hal nowadays nvz |
| 14:28.14 | xingu | abrotman: a lack of devfs and a lack of udev and a lack of MAKEDEV love will though. |
| 14:28.22 | nvz | enouf: its only "easier" for people who don't already know the legacy song and dance |
| 14:28.29 | xingu | abrotman: and contextaully, a 2.6.8 host is only barely alsa too. :) |
| 14:28.36 | enouf | nvz: I completely understand .. and that;'s the world I "thought" I was joining .. *sigh |
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| 14:28.49 | abrotman | xingu: i'm sure he has one of them |
| 14:28.57 | nvz | enouf: sure I may look a little silly still doing the macerena and the electric slide.. but thats what the 90s taught me :P |
| 14:29.02 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:29.07 | xingu | abrotman: nvz ain't but |
| 14:29.09 | abrotman | xingu: so ask him if he's even got alsa running ? |
| 14:29.19 | abrotman | xingu: nvz is a butt ? |
| 14:29.27 | xingu | !bap abrotman |
| 14:29.32 | enouf | nvz: FWIW 2.6.16 is really quite stable , so if you do .. jump to atleast that one, since udev issues between then and earlier are a mess |
| 14:29.34 | xingu | hmf. |
| 14:30.00 | abrotman | !fap xingu |
| 14:30.04 | enouf | nvz: likes the macarena .. oh baby! |
| 14:30.06 | nvz | enouf: yeah I just now upgraded to etch so I will get updated to whatever kernel is in etch eventually |
| 14:30.15 | enouf | nvz: no chicken dance? |
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| 14:30.29 | nvz | enouf: actually I hate the macerena but I think its funny to joke about |
| 14:30.37 | enouf | !turkeyBaconSmite nvz |
| 14:30.44 | nvz | enouf: I dont dance at all though thats subject to change |
| 14:30.56 | enouf | nvz: I dance inbed :-) |
| 14:31.02 | Ronin | abrotman: hcl is back up |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | Ronin: really ? |
| 14:31.12 | xingu | horizontal folkdancing |
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| 14:31.29 | abrotman | Ronin: i still get the "pirated video crap |
| 14:31.48 | enouf | nvz: the macarena is that 'slutty; ass in your face' dance right? .. if so , I like it :-P |
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| 14:32.10 | xingu | it's the forbidden dance |
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| 14:32.17 | abrotman | Ronin: i just have the stupid flash thing |
| 14:32.19 | xingu | so forbidden that nobody actually ever did it, anywhere |
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| 14:32.30 | enouf | nvz: I just don't approve of 13year olds doing it :-( |
| 14:32.32 | nvz | enouf: i dunno.. its a stupid solo dance kinda thing like the electric slide or the chicken dance |
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| 14:32.36 | Ronin | odd abrotman |
| 14:32.45 | abrotman | Ronin: URL! |
| 14:32.49 | xingu | oh, I was thinking of the labada |
| 14:32.50 | nvz | enouf: you basically hop around in a circle much like the electric slide |
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| 14:32.54 | xingu | s/lab/lamb/ |
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| 14:33.00 | karmatronic | xi1, lambada |
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| 14:33.11 | enouf | xingu: your'e right! that's the one I mean! |
| 14:33.17 | nvz | enouf: looks kind of like spinning in slow motion doing a bad criss-cross dance |
| 14:33.20 | karmatronic | yeah lambada rocks! |
| 14:33.25 | enouf | karmatronic: correction .. yep |
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| 14:33.55 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.12 | nvz | enouf: I am more into traditonal dancing where you hold a girl close and show her off.. not where she shows herself off and you act like you are having sex in public with your clothes on |
| 14:34.35 | nvz | dancing is suppose to lead to sex.. the way people dance anymore you can just cut out the sex and dance all fucking night |
| 14:34.40 | Ronin | abrotman: http://wavelit.com/main_player11.asp?sh=africam&ch=Wildlife |
| 14:34.43 | abrotman | Ronin: they changed the feed type i guess |
| 14:34.46 | enouf | nvz: but gymnastics in bed with a mirror on the ceiling is s-w-e-e-t! |
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| 14:35.11 | nvz | enouf: hmm I think you are a tad bit freakier than I .. I can do without the mirror on the ceiling |
| 14:35.16 | enouf | !sunday |
| 14:35.16 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 14:35.51 | enouf | nvz: and the round bed in a trolley, that's been converted for such activities :-) |
| 14:35.51 | abrotman | Ronin: the stream sucks today! |
| 14:36.15 | Ronin | ya getting to popular i suspect, wonder how long till they start charging to cover bandwidth |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:36.28 | xingu | so, about this flushplayer and its alsa-ness; maybe it needs a depends on alsa-utils/alsa-base? |
| 14:36.32 | abrotman | now i just have this random nvz MP3 on my desktop |
| 14:36.38 | nvz | I hate when I lock my screen session on accident |
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| 14:36.46 | xingu | I mean however crufty the userland is, this ought to not happen, right? |
| 14:37.02 | enouf | nvz: one of the best ever encounters with a female I had involved a nice mirror .. hence the affirmation |
| 14:37.11 | nvz | abrotman: random nvz MP3? |
| 14:37.34 | enouf | are we OT yet? .. hrm |
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| 14:37.47 | abrotman | nvz: some whining guy .. |
| 14:37.55 | nvz | enouf: hmm I'm easily ammused.. but I dont need a mirror |
| 14:38.00 | abrotman | one more day up in the canyon |
| 14:38.03 | nvz | heh |
| 14:38.11 | nvz | piss off :P |
| 14:38.42 | nvz | I don't call Adam Duritz's style whining but to each their own |
| 14:38.54 | abrotman | nvz: he's pretty messed up :) |
| 14:38.59 | nvz | so am I |
| 14:39.02 | enouf | nvz: try the eastern part of the state .. that's where one event took place :-) |
| 14:39.06 | abrotman | nvz: eat more bacon! |
| 14:39.13 | dvs | not ours! |
| 14:39.34 | enouf | nvz: abrotman is only a few miles south |
| 14:39.47 | abrotman | south of what ? |
| 14:39.54 | enouf | !cheesesteak |
| 14:39.55 | dpkg | i heard cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 14:39.57 | nvz | enouf: I don't need to I know what I want, and she lives over here in the south-western corner |
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| 14:40.17 | enouf | nvz: go get her .. forget your FF woes |
| 14:40.20 | abrotman | enouf: you don't live near me ... |
| 14:40.54 | enouf | abrotman: no .. but I know where you are , and I referred to just north of you |
| 14:41.06 | nvz | enouf: heh .. I'd love to, dont have the means to do anything right now |
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| 14:41.34 | abrotman | enouf: what is just north of me ? |
| 14:41.44 | enouf | wilkesbarre abrotman |
| 14:41.50 | xand | the north pole? |
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| 14:41.58 | enouf | Uranus? |
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| 14:42.13 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 14:42.14 | xingu | xand: it'd be more surreal if it were the south pole |
| 14:42.14 | abrotman | enouf: who is in wilkesbarre ? |
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| 14:42.35 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.35 | enouf | some ppl |
| 14:42.38 | craigevil | Not sure about Flash 9 but in order to get sound in Flash 7 I had to add FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" to /etc/firefox/firefoxrc |
| 14:42.41 | xand | xingu: well... south pole is magnetically north |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | enouf: that's about two hours north of me .. but an hour from where i grew up |
| 14:42.55 | enouf | I was talking to nvz |
| 14:42.58 | nvz | sweet! sound in flash9 |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | enouf: FINE! |
| 14:43.24 | xingu | nvz: now go be a good little end user and bts it, the missing bit is depends on alsa-base | alsa-utils for flashplugin-nonfree >= 9 |
| 14:43.30 | enouf | abrotman: I only played/gigged there with my band... sorry |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | enouf: i'm sorry :) |
| 14:43.45 | nvz | xingu: its not a bug.. I dont even have flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:43.54 | xingu | ooh err |
| 14:43.56 | xingu | heathen! |
| 14:44.13 | xingu | not only non-free, but nude! unpackaged! |
| 14:44.13 | enouf | abrotman: nut I know the Poconos well too .. cousins have a lakefront house, all the trimmings |
| 14:44.16 | xingu | burn the witch |
| 14:44.22 | enouf | er s/nut/but |
| 14:44.25 | abrotman | nvz: maybe make a !flash9 factoid |
| 14:44.30 | nvz | xingu: I used the firefox plugin finder service.. the flashplugin-nonfree I had didnt do anything. still showed up I needed a plugin |
| 14:44.38 | abrotman | enouf: boring place :) |
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| 14:45.08 | enouf | abrotman: nice retreat though |
| 14:45.19 | abrotman | not when you live there :) |
| 14:45.24 | nvz | dpkg, flash9 is if you are having problems with flash9 and no sound, it uses ALSA! This means you will need to install alsa-base and have a 2.6 kernel with ALSA sound drivers loaded! |
| 14:45.25 | dpkg | ...but flash9 is already something else... |
| 14:45.31 | nvz | !flash9 |
| 14:45.31 | dpkg | it has been said that flash9 is Currently, flashplugin-nonfree in experimental installs the beta of Macromedia's Flash plugin for linux, originally found at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | just do an is also |
| 14:45.49 | enouf | abrotman: right .. I did get two hottie chicks back to the hottub though :-) |
| 14:45.55 | nvz | abrotman: I could make flash9-nosound |
| 14:45.57 | xingu | it can lose the "beta" too |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | enouf: woohoo .. you bagged dumb country girls :) |
| 14:46.20 | abrotman | !flash9 is also if you are having problems with flash9 and no sound, it uses ALSA! This means you will need to install alsa-base and have a 2.6 kernel with ALSA sound drivers loaded! |
| 14:46.21 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 14:46.23 | nvz | dpkg, flash9 is also if you are having problems with no sound, it uses ALSA! This means you will need to install alsa-base and have a 2.6 kernel with ALSA sound drivers loaded! |
| 14:46.23 | dpkg | nvz: that's too long |
| 14:46.27 | nvz | heh |
| 14:46.27 | enouf | abrotman: would you prefer stuck east side manhatten trash? |
| 14:46.31 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 14:46.45 | enouf | abrotman: had my fill .. no comparison |
| 14:46.55 | abrotman | enouf: golly .. maybe you should get some jersey girls :) |
| 14:46.56 | xingu | !beersmite abrotman |
| 14:47.10 | enouf | abrotman: oh tehNo3z ,.. not the HAIR! |
| 14:47.23 | xingu | oh man - on friday I got served a port ... on the rocks. |
| 14:47.31 | enouf | jersey "mall" girls .. hehe |
| 14:47.33 | xingu | I mean... there's blonde, and then there's clueless |
| 14:47.51 | dvs | xingu: sounds like a movie |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | xingu: did you get a suger tray with it ? :) |
| 14:48.07 | Reiser_X | abrotman: hi |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:48.17 | Reiser_X | abrotman: do you know gnugk? |
| 14:48.20 | xingu | ugh |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | gnupg ? |
| 14:48.28 | xingu | abrotman: port with a slice of lemon and salt rim? :) |
| 14:48.31 | Reiser_X | gnugk |
| 14:48.34 | abrotman | xingu: hehe |
| 14:48.36 | Reiser_X | gatekeeper |
| 14:48.40 | abrotman | Reiser_X: never heard of it .. |
| 14:48.46 | abrotman | oh .. like iptables ? |
| 14:48.51 | Reiser_X | no |
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| 14:49.07 | Reiser_X | is a H323 server |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | for vidoe conferencing ? |
| 14:49.23 | HeXiLed | any problems in using ubuntu mirrors for debin ? |
| 14:49.26 | Reiser_X | yes |
| 14:49.26 | HeXiLed | debian* |
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| 14:49.38 | Reiser_X | i need somebody with experience in gnugk |
| 14:49.52 | abrotman | HeXiLed: don't mix |
| 14:49.59 | pebblestone | hmm...this should be a question in #svn but I still want to ask it here. I created a repos called "emacs" on one of my machine. and I checked it out in my local directory. the directory is "backup/eamcs". what I want to do is to add ~/.emacs.d and ~/.emacs into the repository. Could anyone tell me how to do that? |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | Reiser_X: since i didn't know what it iwas .. that precludes me :) |
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| 14:50.13 | HeXiLed | i wanted tmsnc and i cant find it on debian mirrors |
| 14:50.20 | h3sp4wn | HeXiLed: Don't do it - possibly you could use the /msg dpkg simple sid backport method (with a ubuntu repo) depending on what it is |
| 14:50.24 | HeXiLed | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.36 | abrotman | !find tmsnc |
| 14:50.45 | Reiser_X | abrotman: ok. Somebody here knows gnugk |
| 14:50.46 | dpkg | tmsnc: (textbased (console) MSN client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 14:50.56 | HeXiLed | i tried to compilme manually but it failed |
| 14:51.18 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLed about backports |
| 14:51.23 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLed about simple sid backport |
| 14:51.40 | aldo | hello, deborphan give libc6-xen in a virtual xen server. is it a problem ? no ? ;) |
| 14:51.46 | abrotman | HeXiLed: isn't that what amsn doesn't ? |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | ermm .. does |
| 14:52.04 | HeXiLed | its a console msn menssager |
| 14:52.04 | h3sp4wn | aldo: do you have libc6-686 also ? |
| 14:52.11 | abrotman | so is amsn IIRC |
| 14:52.17 | HeXiLed | humm |
| 14:52.25 | abrotman | !info amsn sarge |
| 14:52.25 | HeXiLed | screenshot ? |
| 14:52.27 | dpkg | amsn: (An MSN messenger written in tcl), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.94-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1946 kB, Installed size: 6976 kB |
| 14:52.32 | aldo | h3sp4wn: no. |
| 14:52.36 | abrotman | hrm .. says x11 |
| 14:52.38 | abrotman | maybe not |
| 14:52.45 | abrotman | !info centericq sarge |
| 14:52.48 | dpkg | centericq: (A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client), section net, is optional. Version: 4.20.0-1sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1317 kB, Installed size: 3364 kB |
| 14:52.56 | abrotman | maybe that would work |
| 14:52.57 | HeXiLed | i prefer tmsnc |
| 14:53.07 | abrotman | ok .. see what the bot told you |
| 14:53.08 | h3sp4wn | aldo: Still keep it - will work without it though |
| 14:53.12 | HeXiLed | yup |
| 14:53.17 | craigevil | you could always use bitlbee in irssi |
| 14:53.24 | h3sp4wn | aldo: (It is lib |
| 14:53.37 | h3sp4wn | aldo: (It is lib6-686 without the TLS parts that break xen) |
| 14:54.15 | abrotman | ( .. duh .. why doesn't ^D close the gaim window ... ) |
| 14:54.29 | aldo | my virtual server works with libc6-xen. all is ok. i use ssl-webserver and tls-postfix. |
| 14:55.07 | aldo | i am in a domU no in dom0. |
| 14:55.13 | HeXiLed | which is more stable ? testing or unstable ? |
| 14:55.17 | abrotman | testing |
| 14:55.20 | HeXiLed | ok |
| 14:55.28 | h3sp4wn | aldo: TLS means something else with regards to libc |
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| 14:55.49 | aldo | h3sp4wn: ok ;) |
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| 14:56.26 | Wap | anyone who knows where to download Debian SID, can't find it :/ ? |
| 14:56.29 | Reiser_X | i need to install Ohphone |
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| 14:56.44 | xand | Wap: dont install it then. |
| 14:56.47 | Reiser_X | somebody here know some apt source of this app? |
| 14:56.51 | aldo | h3sp4wn: i beleive thant domU do not work without libc6-xen, so if deborphan suggest ti supress it. that will make problem. |
| 14:57.07 | versuchsanstalt | please recommend an application to add an exif comment to a batch of jpeg files. |
| 14:57.15 | dav_ | i have a very strange roblem, the sound didn't work for flash under iceweasel, ( after checking i tried the iceweaselrc modification without any result) now i have download the file and played with mplayer but i don't have the sound too ! |
| 14:57.26 | dav_ | but my sound work for normal vids |
| 14:57.28 | h3sp4wn | aldo: I think that they will work just not as efficiently as with libc6-xen |
| 14:58.39 | Wap | anybdy pls :D |
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| 14:58.45 | Wap | anybody* |
| 14:59.05 | h3sp4wn | No official installers for sid exist |
| 14:59.13 | Wap | ahh ok thx :) |
| 14:59.24 | Wap | oh well thats sad |
| 14:59.32 | craigevil | Wap install etch and dist-upgrade, be sure you know how to fix the problems |
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| 14:59.57 | craigevil | Reiser_X: apt-get.org has 2 repos that have Ohphone |
| 15:00.06 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 15:00.17 | abrotman | please STOP telling people to go to sid .. if they don't know .. they should NOT be doing it |
| 15:00.31 | steinchen | hi when i try to install "gtkpod" i get "gtkpod: Conflicts: libgpod0 (>= 0.4.0) but 0.4.0-0.3 is to be installed" .. got debian-multimedia in the sources.list. what is that? |
| 15:00.38 | Wap | craigevil: ok |
| 15:00.40 | Wap | thx |
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| 15:02.16 | enouf | "it's just another wreckless sunday" .. |
| 15:02.52 | mfrisch | abrotman: just did a fresh install with amd64 using rc1 it was hell. |
| 15:03.10 | abrotman | yay! |
| 15:03.12 | enouf | i made that singer do the egyptian on my camel .. hehe |
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| 15:04.50 | dan2 | abrotman: on ESPN2 they're rerunning the Super Bowl game St. Louis Rams v. Tenessee Titans |
| 15:04.58 | dan2 | abrotman: probably the greatest super bowl ever |
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| 15:06.29 | mfrisch | abrotman: rc worked better last time took three tries to even get the base on. It was just hangin in the middle of the task-sel install process and was asking questions on vt the gui was useless |
| 15:07.05 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: That is because of an update to do with /etc/networks |
| 15:07.30 | h3sp4wn | (You get the choices but you cannot select any of them) |
| 15:07.51 | steinchen | anyone an idea? |
| 15:08.01 | mfrisch | h3spwn: yeah but it wouldn't finish I answered and nothing |
| 15:08.02 | enouf | !any ideas |
| 15:08.03 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of three-legged ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 15:08.46 | steinchen | whats that gtkpod problem under etch ... |
| 15:08.47 | h3sp4wn | mfrisch: That happened to me - second time I only installed from the cd |
| 15:10.03 | mfrisch | h3spwn: me too but it was a netinstall iso just let me say its not for newbies right now thats all |
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| 15:11.25 | xtknight | is there a way to have something execute every time the screensaver exists? |
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| 15:16.34 | nvz | dav_: did you try what just fixed my problem? I did a signal trace and discovered that the device nodes didnt exist for ALSA and installing alsa-base solved my flash problem |
| 15:17.09 | dav_ | nvz: how did u do a signal trace |
| 15:17.16 | debfanman | strace |
| 15:17.18 | nvz | dav_: using strace |
| 15:17.42 | dav_ | nvz: because i tried also to download the swf file with a tool called unplug it worked and when i play that fucking file doesn't work for the sound |
| 15:18.01 | nvz | dav_: strace requires some understanding not only of the utility but of kernel calls as well |
| 15:18.23 | debfanman | nvz: i commend your mastery of the dark api arts |
| 15:18.26 | HeXiLed | crap ! some console appz asks for X |
| 15:18.31 | HeXiLed | i dont want X |
| 15:18.37 | nvz | dav_: well my sound apps are all OSS based so I never noticed my ALSA was b0rked |
| 15:18.42 | dav_ | nvz: i have to do something like "strace iceweasel" and try to use flash that's that , |
| 15:18.53 | nvz | dav_: /dev/snd/ didnt even exist on my system was the problem |
| 15:19.08 | dav_ | nvz: i have /dev/snd :( |
| 15:19.24 | nvz | dav_: yeah except that a program like a webbrowser does like 20 gettimeofday() calls a second |
| 15:19.51 | setog3 | someone can help me to configure my .fonts.conf for an lcd monitor, I don't know what is the best, just need help to choose |
| 15:19.58 | nvz | dav_: and if you dont know how to filter out whats important and whats not with the -e param or how to log it with -o, or what the kernel calls mean, then its useless |
| 15:20.02 | dav_ | nvz: strace iceweasel | grep /dev/ |
| 15:20.10 | nvz | dav_: it doesnt just tell you in plain english what the problem is |
| 15:20.19 | nvz | you have to know what you are looking for |
| 15:20.31 | nvz | dav_: too bad it doesnt work like that :P |
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| 15:21.10 | nvz | dav_: you would have to strace -p <pid of iceweasel> -o <logfile> && grep /dev/ <logfile> |
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| 15:21.33 | dav_ | nvz: i try it i have done strace iceweasel >> file-to-check to see it after :) |
| 15:21.41 | nvz | dav_: and you could just as easily use the -e option to filter out just open() and stat() calls |
| 15:23.15 | nvz | but even still its not nessicarily going to be an open(.../dev/...) kind of problem though that will help point you in the right direction for further troubleshooting |
| 15:23.45 | nvz | cause like I said earlier.. people are pretty much just gonna point and laugh when you have flash problems |
| 15:23.51 | dav_ | ok |
| 15:23.55 | dav_ | the problem could be |
| 15:23.59 | dav_ | open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 15:24.11 | nvz | dav_: problem could be exactly the same as mine ;) |
| 15:24.17 | nvz | dav_: ls -l /dev/snd/ |
| 15:24.30 | dav_ | i have seen |
| 15:24.37 | dav_ | it doesn't exist :) |
| 15:24.47 | nvz | dav_: yep, dpkg -l alsa-base? |
| 15:24.59 | cahoot | dav_: you *are* member of audio? no other app is occupying the device? |
| 15:25.11 | cahoot | nm |
| 15:25.13 | nvz | cahoot: we went over that hours ago |
| 15:25.25 | dav_ | 29(audio) |
| 15:25.27 | craigevil | ls -l /dev/snd/ shows 5 things for me and flash works just fine in IW |
| 15:25.27 | dav_ | yes |
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| 15:25.41 | nvz | dav_: apt-get install alsa-base, and restarting my browser fixed it for me |
| 15:25.55 | dav_ | nvz, i have a similar file called pcmC1D1c etc... |
| 15:25.58 | cahoot | nvz: 2 hours to figure out the diveces aren't there? impressive |
| 15:26.20 | dav_ | nvz, don't you think that just linking th einexistent file to an existing one could sfix the problem |
| 15:26.38 | nvz | cahoot: well it took me like a week and I should know better.. but 1 I didnt really care that much about flash and 2 I only use OSS applications so I never knew I didnt have ALSA device nodes |
| 15:26.39 | dav_ | cahoot, flash is not open |
| 15:26.49 | hark | nvz: heh, you're now the resident flash expert! ;) |
| 15:26.56 | dav_ | cahoot, and if everything else work, difficult to see where is the exact problem |
| 15:27.24 | nvz | dav_: you could do this the hard way, or you could just install alsa-base which you will probably need its doings of creating the /dev/snd/ device nodes for some other ALSA thing in the future |
| 15:27.51 | nvz | dav_: masking the problem some stupid way like that will just make the error harder to figure out next time cause you arent doing things the right way |
| 15:27.57 | dav_ | nvz, already installed on my box :) |
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| 15:28.14 | nvz | dav_: then reinstall it.. and if you are using udev there are other things to check |
| 15:28.26 | dav_ | nvz, i have reinstall it |
| 15:28.30 | nvz | dav_: bottom line is if /dev/snd/ is missing that is a problem for ALSA |
| 15:28.31 | cahoot | dav_: you don't happen to have two or more sounddevices on the system? |
| 15:28.55 | abrotman | dan2: you *really* need to watch more football |
| 15:29.02 | cahoot | dav_: if pcmC1D1p exists you have alsa running ok |
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| 15:29.20 | dav_ | cahoot, that's i so why ONLY flash doesn't work |
| 15:29.30 | cahoot | dav_: that's the 'device' for sound card #2 |
| 15:29.31 | nvz | hark: I am expert enought to know that Adopehead Flashback sucks, is shitty, is non-free, it sucks, it's closed-sources, it sucks.. oh and did I mention it was shitty? |
| 15:29.36 | dan2 | abrotman: tennessee titans were stopped on the 1 yard line on the last play of the game |
| 15:29.40 | dav_ | cahoot, /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p this is the inexistent file |
| 15:29.51 | abrotman | dan2: so? |
| 15:30.05 | cahoot | dav_: what's the content of /proc/asound/cards? |
| 15:30.05 | HeXiLed | !find rtorrent |
| 15:30.06 | abrotman | one play does not make a game |
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| 15:30.13 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.7.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 322 kB, Installed size: 788 kB |
| 15:30.22 | nvz | hmm it is superbowl sunday,isnt it |
| 15:30.27 | dav_ | 1 [Audigy2 ]: Audigy2 - Audigy 2 [Unknown] |
| 15:30.27 | dav_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.29 | HeXiLed | its all on sid.. heck.. |
| 15:30.30 | nvz | oh well, who cares |
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| 15:30.42 | abrotman | HeXiLed: or in etch |
| 15:30.44 | craigevil | dav try adding FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" to etc/firefox/firefoxrc or the iceweasel one if your using iceweasel |
| 15:30.45 | HeXiLed | !find mplayer |
| 15:30.47 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mplayer' (9): kmplayer ;; kmplayer-common ;; kmplayer-plugin ;; mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-skin-blue ;; python-templayer ;; xmms-xmmplayer. |
| 15:30.47 | abrotman | HeXiLed: try packages.debian.org |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLed about msg the bot |
| 15:31.13 | cahoot | dav_: wonder how you managed to skip card0 |
| 15:31.17 | HeXiLed | ok bnut i want some stable mirrors |
| 15:31.23 | HeXiLed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLed about sarge->Etch |
| 15:31.36 | cahoot | dav_: you run sarge or etch? |
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| 15:31.52 | nvz | HeXiLed: then /msg dpkg marillat or /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 15:31.53 | dav_ | cahoot, etch |
| 15:32.03 | nvz | HeXiLed: there are no mplayer packages for stable officially |
| 15:32.11 | HeXiLed | is etch stable ? |
| 15:32.15 | cahoot | dav_: install alsa-utils and run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:32.23 | nvz | HeXiLed: no etch is a frozen testing |
| 15:32.29 | dav_ | cahoot, but i have a directory called card0 |
| 15:33.03 | nvz | HeXiLed: it should be stable release soon, or when its ready |
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| 15:33.06 | craigevil | etch is still testing but it is "stable" more or less, there are still bugs however |
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| 15:33.12 | cahoot | dav_: but not in /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:33.14 | nvz | whichever comes first |
| 15:33.19 | dav_ | cahoot, yes |
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| 15:33.32 | dav_ | cahoot, no card0 in cards file |
| 15:33.38 | cahoot | dav_: install alsa-utils and run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:33.49 | HeXiLed | ok . letys say that i only want some packages from etch |
| 15:33.51 | HeXiLed | how do i do it ? |
| 15:34.37 | HeXiLed | nvm |
| 15:34.41 | craigevil | HeXiLed: apt-get -t distribution install package |
| 15:34.51 | craigevil | or aptitude since that is the prefered method |
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| 15:35.56 | dav_ | cahoot, i have to choose between alsa, oss and Default system what do u recommend ? |
| 15:36.10 | cahoot | alsa |
| 15:36.47 | dav_ | ok |
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| 15:39.21 | dav_ | cahoot, already doesn't work |
| 15:39.34 | dav_ | cahoot, i trying the symlink way ;) |
| 15:39.58 | cahoot | don't |
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| 15:40.15 | HeXiLed | how woddy these days ? |
| 15:40.20 | HeXiLed | how is woddy these days ? |
| 15:40.26 | abrotman | woody ? |
| 15:40.27 | asg | HeXiLed: woody is retired |
| 15:40.33 | abrotman | archived! |
| 15:40.33 | HeXiLed | humm.. |
| 15:40.38 | HeXiLed | replaced by ? |
| 15:40.42 | asg | HeXiLed: sarge |
| 15:40.42 | dav_ | cahoot, why ? |
| 15:40.42 | abrotman | sarge |
| 15:40.47 | HeXiLed | ok |
| 15:40.53 | cahoot | dav_: most ugly hack |
| 15:40.59 | dav_ | cahoot, :) |
| 15:41.07 | dav_ | cahoot, smetimes work ;))) |
| 15:41.29 | craigevil | dav_: did you try to reconfigure alsa? |
| 15:41.34 | HeXiLed | and sid ? how stable ? |
| 15:41.38 | cahoot | dav_: what's the content of /proc/asound/cards now? |
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| 15:41.51 | abrotman | HeXiLed: please don't use it |
| 15:42.04 | HeXiLed | broken ? |
| 15:42.13 | asg | fsvo broken |
| 15:42.20 | abrotman | maybe .. if you have to ask .. please don't use it |
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| 15:42.53 | HeXiLed | ok another question . i tried to compile a package manually and it failed. why is that ? |
| 15:43.00 | HeXiLed | its the frist time time happens tome and |
| 15:43.03 | HeXiLed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.09 | abrotman | never failed on gentoo for you ? |
| 15:43.20 | HeXiLed | manually . nop |
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| 15:43.35 | abrotman | well .. we'd need the error to tell you |
| 15:43.42 | HeXiLed | ok |
| 15:44.49 | HeXiLed | configure: error: You don't seem to have the curses headers installed |
| 15:44.49 | HeXiLed | debian:~/tmsnc-0.3.2# apt-get install curses |
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| 15:44.57 | HeXiLed | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.19 | abrotman | HeXiLed: in debian we have -dev packages that are used for compiling items .. |
| 15:45.29 | abrotman | so you might need something like libncurses-dev |
| 15:45.39 | asg | HeXiLed: and also install build-essential |
| 15:45.52 | linux2 | when i load up beryl-manager all of my window decorations dissapear as well as my bottom bar and then nothing happens |
| 15:46.02 | linux2 | beryl also doesn't throw back any errors |
| 15:46.04 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 15:46.19 | asg | stop using it? |
| 15:46.24 | craigevil | yeah beryl is evil eyecandy |
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| 15:46.40 | linux2 | well do you guys have any better ideas for 3d desktops? |
| 15:46.53 | abrotman | wtf is 3d ? |
| 15:47.01 | boka | wtf ? |
| 15:47.05 | craigevil | linux2 you have a nvidia card correct? |
| 15:47.14 | asg | abrotman: l33t |
| 15:47.14 | linux2 | craigevil: yeah, and it works correctly |
| 15:47.18 | abrotman | does nvidia support aiglx yet? |
| 15:47.26 | craigevil | try using the newer nvidia drivers rather than the xgl way |
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| 15:47.35 | abrotman | asg: my cirrus logic card kicks ass! |
| 15:47.42 | linux2 | craigevil: humm, how do i check the version of nvidia drives i have installed on this comp? |
| 15:47.43 | abrotman | craigevil: xgl isn't in debian |
| 15:47.51 | asg | abrotman: is it a VLB one? |
| 15:47.54 | boka | linux2, i prefer on my debian, aiglx+compiz |
| 15:47.55 | linux2 | craigevil: i was using AIGLX |
| 15:48.02 | boka | linux2, nvidia card here |
| 15:48.07 | craigevil | sorry meant the aiglx thing |
| 15:48.12 | abrotman | asg: uhm ... i think .. |
| 15:48.17 | HeXiLed | ok libncurses-dev solved it but now ... |
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| 15:48.22 | HeXiLed | checking for openssl... no |
| 15:48.22 | HeXiLed | configure: error: ssl.h not found in |
| 15:48.23 | boka | linux2, aiglx is a feature of xserver imo. |
| 15:48.23 | abrotman | asg: been a while since i even had the box turned on |
| 15:48.27 | HeXiLed | and i do have openssl |
| 15:48.28 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLed about search |
| 15:48.34 | boka | !aiglx |
| 15:48.35 | dpkg | i guess aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 15:48.37 | asg | HeXiLed: install the libssl-dev package, and so on. Rinse and repeat |
| 15:48.39 | abrotman | HeXiLed: right .. apt-cache search ssl dev |
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| 15:49.19 | boka | linux2, if you like nice 3d desktop go with aiglx+compiz and use the appropriate nvidia driver (not nv!) |
| 15:49.50 | boka | abrotman, hello ;) |
| 15:49.51 | boka | itchi, ping |
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| 15:49.57 | abrotman | hi |
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| 15:51.16 | boka | "GNU/Linux users are competing to help each other on http://nuxified.org/" lol |
| 15:51.27 | boka | GNU/Linux is not about competition |
| 15:51.29 | RichiH | boka: my thought exactly |
| 15:51.38 | linux2 | boka: it won't open |
| 15:51.41 | linux2 | it dies |
| 15:51.46 | RichiH | well, it kinda is about competition, as competition is always good |
| 15:51.52 | boka | linux2, you have to play around a bit. |
| 15:51.57 | boka | RichiH, haha.. :) |
| 15:52.27 | boka | linux2, i didn't use the one debian repository. I got it from nvidia's site. |
| 15:53.24 | boka | RichiH, well if you want competition then there's plenty of example of closed source softwares. maybe people can ~compete~ there ? |
| 15:53.27 | boka | RichiH, just a thought. |
| 15:53.42 | abrotman | open source is about competition |
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| 15:53.48 | RichiH | boka: if there was only kde and no gnome, kde would not be as good |
| 15:53.57 | boka | :) |
| 15:54.07 | RichiH | boka: if there was only vim and not emacs, vim would not be as good |
| 15:54.07 | abrotman | boka: see ... |
| 15:54.10 | RichiH | etc etc |
| 15:54.13 | abrotman | RichiH: yes it would :) |
| 15:54.38 | boka | ok ok.. |
| 15:54.39 | boka | :) |
| 15:54.43 | RichiH | abrotman: well, vim is great, but the pityful attacks launched by emacs made it _stronger_ ;) |
| 15:54.44 | boka | RichiH, let's save vim vs. emacs for later. |
| 15:54.51 | abrotman | RichiH: hehe |
| 15:55.29 | boka | :) |
| 15:55.34 | RichiH | !start an editor war |
| 15:55.34 | dpkg | pico blows |
| 15:55.37 | boka | !seen itchi |
| 15:55.38 | dpkg | itchi is currently on #debian, last said: 'azeem: Have you tried to update a Sarge box without x with aptitude TUI today?'. |
| 15:55.42 | RichiH | heh |
| 15:55.50 | RichiH | funny thing is, i am using vim in pine |
| 15:55.52 | boka | hah.. |
| 15:56.05 | boka | RichiH, ok. |
| 15:56.09 | kottlett | hi! how much hd space does a quite minimal etch, inkl. just some very basic kde-base as desktop, need? I expect wild guesses I want to average ;) |
| 15:56.15 | abrotman | RichiH: that's just gross |
| 15:56.34 | abrotman | kottlett: a GB maybe ? .. depoeneds how many basic kde apps you want |
| 15:56.39 | abrotman | 500MB is you really try |
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| 15:56.44 | RichiH | abrotman: i like it lots and reformatting is blazingly fast |
| 15:56.52 | RichiH | gggqG ftw |
| 15:56.58 | boka | kottlett, < 2 gb |
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| 15:57.37 | kottlett | average is now 1.5GB.. somone bidding more? ^_^ |
| 15:57.55 | RichiH | with only kde-base and not much else, i would say below 2 gb, too |
| 15:58.10 | LinuxNIT | any one know of a good repo to get a more recent version of gnome? |
| 15:58.11 | RichiH | abrotman: 500 mb including kde? it was hard doing that with fluxbox |
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| 15:58.29 | abrotman | RichiH: i said he'd really have to try :) |
| 15:58.38 | boka | RichiH, I'd imagine it totally depends on your needs. |
| 15:58.49 | HeXiLed | last time i saw apitude it was a gui app. does it work on text mode ? |
| 15:59.43 | boka | kottlett, no. I vote for < 2 gb |
| 15:59.43 | abrotman | it was never a gui app |
| 15:59.44 | boka | kottlett, :) |
| 15:59.44 | karmatronic | HeXiLed, synaptic has GUI |
| 15:59.44 | kottlett | sounds good :) |
| 15:59.44 | HeXiLed | humm.. on ubuntu .. i think it is |
| 15:59.44 | karmatronic | HeXiLed, aptitude doesnt |
| 15:59.44 | boka | HeXiLed, aptitude is a curses based frontend to dpkg |
| 15:59.45 | boka | HeXiLed, it's text based in one word. |
| 15:59.45 | HeXiLed | humm . i will check |
| 15:59.49 | boka | HeXiLed, never has been a GTK based app and probably never will. |
| 16:00.03 | abrotman | HeXiLed: you're looking at synaptic .. that's GUI apt front end |
| 16:00.24 | HeXiLed | u are right |
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| 16:00.55 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:00.56 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:01.04 | boka | hehe.. |
| 16:01.06 | boka | :) |
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| 16:01.47 | kottlett | now for something completely different: anyone seeing a problem in booting a (live)cd, mount /rootpart /mnt/root ;cd /mnt/root; mkdir .gentoo/; mv * .gentoo ... install etch and moving back if I'm not getting everything to run? 8-) |
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| 16:02.27 | sybec | Does anyone happen to know that site that contained Debian kernel configuration files? |
| 16:03.04 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 16:03.05 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 16:03.50 | hark | !kernel config |
| 16:03.50 | dpkg | hmm... kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 16:03.51 | craigevil | bah just install over gentoo, help stop global warming |
| 16:04.12 | abrotman | !debtakeover |
| 16:04.13 | dpkg | debtakeover is, like, Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 16:04.17 | sybec | danke schon hark |
| 16:04.30 | kottlett | lol @craigevil :) |
| 16:04.50 | kottlett | abrotman: sounds quite good :) |
| 16:04.51 | sybec | crackware, love it |
| 16:05.23 | craigevil | always wondered how people that run gentoo have time to do anything with all the compiling they do |
| 16:05.36 | abrotman | craigevil: do you think they sit there and watch it ? |
| 16:05.46 | kottlett | craigevil: it's not like we call gcc by hand |
| 16:05.57 | craigevil | watching all the make messages is fun hehe |
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| 16:06.19 | BezNalogov | Hi all |
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| 16:06.53 | BezNalogov | I want to configure the settings of my network card on an already running debian system. Is there some tool to do that? Like yast on suse for example |
| 16:07.11 | dav_ | ifconfig :) |
| 16:08.10 | BezNalogov | ifconfig is not what I mean. The alternative would be to edit the files in /etc/nework/interfaces. But I prefer to use some tool for that |
| 16:08.22 | BezNalogov | It now uses DHCP, but I want to give it a permanent ip# |
| 16:09.27 | abrotman | ethtool |
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| 16:11.56 | BezNalogov | ok tnx |
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| 16:14.16 | Dewi | abrotman: of course they watch it. |
| 16:14.38 | Dewi | abrotman: Gentoo users use gcc the way the rest of us use libpron |
| 16:14.57 | abrotman | dpkg -l libpr0n |
| 16:14.58 | dpkg | No packages found matching libpr0n |
| 16:15.11 | Dewi | abrotman: it's in iceweasel. |
| 16:15.17 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:15.35 | Dewi | abrotman: displays images. |
| 16:16.26 | Dewi | so do I. |
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| 16:16.38 | kottlett | always these prejudices ;) I really like debian's package management, too, but - sorry - gentoo is just offering better :-/ |
| 16:16.39 | Dewi | I'm not old enough to remember gopher, and yet I do. |
| 16:16.53 | pipeline | kottlett: It's not a prejudice: Gentoo is a disaster. |
| 16:16.58 | xand | Dewi: are you old enough to remember abacuses? |
| 16:16.58 | Dewi | Mainly because we didn't figure out the web thing until later. Gopher seemed.... easier. |
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| 16:17.05 | knoxyy | I've 4gb of ram.. what size is recommended to swap? |
| 16:17.08 | pipeline | Gopher is and was awesome. |
| 16:17.11 | pipeline | knoxyy: 4G. |
| 16:17.12 | tasio | hi all |
| 16:17.26 | pipeline | knoxyy: I configure everything with 4G of swap :) |
| 16:17.39 | kottlett | pipeline: well... I don't know anything as flexible as gentoo (w/o ... from a scratch) :-/ |
| 16:17.47 | knoxyy | pipeline, hehehe... ok.. |
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| 16:17.51 | pipeline | kottlett: I'm going to put you on ignore now. |
| 16:17.55 | knoxyy | pipeline, thanks |
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| 16:18.00 | kottlett | pipeline: :D |
| 16:18.03 | xand | kottlett: or anything that wastes as much time# |
| 16:18.12 | pipeline | knoxyy: You shouldn't ever have to use swap, but if you have to, it's nice to have a lot of it. OOM killer is no fun :( |
| 16:18.28 | Dewi | everything is as flexible as gentoo. Nobody is asking you not to edit code for your own use, but to customise *all* code unnecessarily when you're not a developer is just... unnecessary, to most of us. |
| 16:18.30 | kottlett | lol |
| 16:19.11 | Dewi | And probably about as effective as users to run Windows Update every odd numbered day, and Defrag every even numbered day... |
| 16:19.22 | tasio | anyone using samba on sid have to restart smbd almost every week? |
| 16:19.29 | kottlett | well... sometimes one likes e.g. to mix stable with unstable... :-/ |
| 16:19.41 | Dewi | tasio: hmm. Actually, I'm running etch and I have always gotten the occasional segfault in my logs. |
| 16:19.55 | tasio | hm, version 3.0 ? |
| 16:19.56 | Dewi | tasio: and the other day I kept getting files closing on me, and then I restarted samba and it went fine since |
| 16:20.23 | Dewi | so yeah there is definitely something a trifle flaky in samba. I just have no idea what. |
| 16:20.50 | Dewi | tasio: I'm still using 3.0.23c-2 |
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| 16:22.23 | Dewi | dpkg: tell Dewi about etch |
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| 16:22.50 | tasio | yes, that's what i have to do, only a restart, an then run fine again until the next week |
| 16:22.50 | tasio | let me see... |
| 16:22.50 | tasio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.51 | tasio | hm, it's a bit nasty |
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| 16:23.17 | tasio | flood ? |
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| 16:23.24 | abrotman | tasio: you must be lagging |
| 16:23.25 | Dewi | tasio: I think you must have been lagging or something |
| 16:23.29 | tasio | yes I am |
| 16:23.31 | Dewi | tasio: we got all that at once |
| 16:23.46 | Dewi | abrotman: can you ask dpkg to berate me for asking about etch? |
| 16:23.48 | tasio | oops, sorry |
| 16:23.55 | Dewi | abrotman: I can't find the right factoid |
| 16:24.02 | Dewi | abrotman: has it been updated since mid-december? |
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| 16:24.15 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 16:24.15 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 16:24.20 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 16:24.20 | tasio | then, it's a samba bug ? not debian ? |
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| 16:24.40 | derblubbe | (Lese Datenbank ... dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von /var/cache/apt/archives/unzip_5.52-9_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:24.40 | derblubbe | files list file for package `loop-aes-modules-2.6.18-3-686' is missing final newline |
| 16:24.40 | derblubbe | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:24.43 | derblubbe | how can i fix that? |
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| 16:25.04 | abrotman | it's raining! |
| 16:25.15 | abrotman | when it rains, it pours? |
| 16:25.20 | Reiser_X | i need help with GNUGK (H232 Video Conference) |
| 16:25.26 | craigevil | especially on sundays |
| 16:25.28 | Dewi | tasio: well... I couldn't say, really |
| 16:25.38 | dan2 | !etch pool |
| 16:25.46 | abrotman | !etch pool 1 |
| 16:25.46 | kottlett | at least... gentoo supports debootstrap ;) |
| 16:25.46 | dpkg | etch pool 1 is, like, caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! dkr=2007-02-15 Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home, or ... |
| 16:26.01 | abrotman | someone doesn't know how to use the bot! |
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| 16:26.25 | abrotman | i still have a chance! |
| 16:26.30 | dan2 | abrotman: can you add me to that, dan2=2007-05-10 |
| 16:26.37 | abrotman | !etch pool 2 |
| 16:26.38 | dpkg | hmm... etch pool 2 is jelly=2007-01-27 |
| 16:26.45 | Dewi | abrotman: bot usage manual... type ! drxx until the questions cease... it's quite simple really |
| 16:27.07 | abrotman | !etch pool 2 |
| 16:27.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch pool 2 is jelly=2007-01-27, dan2=2007-05-10 |
| 16:27.10 | abrotman | dan2: good enough ? |
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| 16:27.15 | dan2 | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:27.17 | abrotman | Dewi: hehe |
| 16:27.19 | Dewi | abrotman: actually I don't see as much drxx anymore... I have this (perhaps false) memory of this channel being this continuously scrolling drone of drxx'ing |
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| 16:27.36 | Dewi | abrotman: maybe 6 or 12 months ago |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | Dewi: xorg made it a lot better |
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| 16:28.25 | jelly-home | who highlights me in vain? |
| 16:28.27 | h3sp4wn | kottlett: better to not use the debootstrap in gentoo if you are installing anything other than sarge (I recommended a friend to do it and it made things unnessarily complicated) |
| 16:28.37 | craigevil | Reiser_X: help with what exactly |
| 16:28.41 | h3sp4wn | kottlett: compile it from source and it would be ok |
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| 16:29.01 | tasio | than you anyway, at least i'm not alone |
| 16:29.01 | tasio | i'm thinking about put a cron script to restart the daemon once a week or so |
| 16:29.06 | Dewi | tasio: I'm not sure what to recommend. Check bugs.debian.org and maybe post one. Or try a samba mailing list. |
| 16:29.18 | Dewi | tasio: my problems with samba have only climbed to needing to restart it once |
| 16:29.26 | kingsley | How can you tell what uids and gids a package will give to files it creates? |
| 16:29.27 | kottlett | h3sp4wn: hm... did he use the stable version? I unmasked the ~x86 ... which is the same version like in etch |
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| 16:29.30 | dav_ | hehehehe |
| 16:29.38 | abrotman | tasio: if you can isolate it .. might want to file a bug |
| 16:29.48 | dav_ | nvz, making a symlink to the device works |
| 16:30.06 | h3sp4wn | kottlett: It was a couple of months ago I don't remember |
| 16:30.10 | dav_ | nvz, it works |
| 16:30.16 | nvz | dav_: so does creating the device nodes |
| 16:30.17 | dav_ | nvz, i have sound |
| 16:30.21 | kottlett | h3sp4wn: thx... I'll give it a try |
| 16:30.27 | dav_ | nvz, no no look |
| 16:30.37 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 16:30.45 | Reiser_X | craigevil: |
| 16:30.49 | h3sp4wn | kottlett: the resolution involved downloading loads of deb's manually and it was a pain |
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| 16:30.54 | nvz | in any case stop highlighting my nick, ffs :p |
| 16:30.56 | dav_ | nvz, crw-rw---- 2 root audio 116, 48 2007-02-04 13:09 pcmC0D0p a symlink to pcmC1D0p |
| 16:31.09 | dav_ | nvz, but the link doesn't appear |
| 16:31.11 | abrotman | kingsley: unpack it |
| 16:31.17 | dav_ | nvz, but it works :) |
| 16:31.28 | Reiser_X | craigevil: i installed gnugk, now i want to test it using gnomemeeting, but i can use dinamic IPs ? |
| 16:31.46 | jelly-home | dav_: crw-rw---- is NOT a symlink |
| 16:32.26 | cbeok | When I boot kernel 2.6.8 on my Averatec laptop, the boot sequence halts at "EXT3-fs: hda1: orphan cleanup on readonly fs" after some other info about "recovery required on readonly filesystem" and "kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds". Is my hard disk bad? Note: it also will not boot from a debian-installer or any sort of live cd. |
| 16:32.41 | jelly-home | dav_: (it is a hardlink though, judging by the link count number) |
| 16:32.50 | mzperx | exit |
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| 16:34.50 | jelly-home | cbeok: the messages you noticed usually mean your system was shut down uncleanly, and are not relevant in finding out the cause of the halt |
| 16:34.52 | abrotman | mzperx: would you like to buy a '/' ? |
| 16:35.06 | chafe | oh god |
| 16:35.22 | dav_ | cahoot, it works thks anyway for your help |
| 16:35.32 | dav_ | and thks to everybody who tryed helping me |
| 16:35.46 | mzperx | abrotman, I wanted that in an other window :-) |
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| 16:35.52 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:42.04 | Dewi | I keep trying to type 'exit' in here too |
| 16:42.06 | Dewi | it never works |
| 16:42.12 | Dewi | that's why I'm still here after so many years |
| 16:42.22 | cbeok | jelly-home: Ok, thanks. |
| 16:42.24 | n0dl | Dewi: haha |
| 16:42.48 | Dewi | I don't even know what this 'debian' thing is |
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| 16:43.28 | kottlett | h3sp4wn: seems to work fine with the most recent ebuild :) |
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| 16:43.44 | n0dl | Dewi: its open sores operating system |
| 16:44.17 | Geek-Boy | Can someone tell me, how i can mount my smb share white fusesmb, the man an --help doesent help me. A howto site would be good to. |
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| 16:44.43 | cbeok | When attempting to boot from the debian-installer disk, the process stops at the "Detecting hardware to find CD-ROM drives" stage while loading the 'yenta-socket' module for '02 Micro INc. 0Z6912 Cardbus Controller'. Is there any way in which to turn off hardware detection so that I may get to a prompt? |
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| 16:45.01 | olskolirc | ? |
| 16:45.03 | olskolirc | h |
| 16:45.03 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 16:45.05 | olskolirc | hi hi |
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| 16:45.10 | olskolirc | i lost /dev/dsp |
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| 16:45.14 | mzperx | Well, this is going to be intentional: Is it possible to get somewhere the kernel configuration of a standard kernel image (sarge) ? |
| 16:45.19 | olskolirc | i have an x on my mixer in the system |
| 16:45.24 | olskolirc | how do i get my sound back |
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| 16:45.56 | Dewi | mzperx: I'm sure the answer is yes. I just have no idea how. And no, I'm not being patronising. |
| 16:46.03 | Dewi | I am however going to bed. |
| 16:46.05 | Dewi | Goodnight all. |
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| 16:46.32 | AbuSami | hi all |
| 16:46.34 | Wyzard | mzperx: Look in /boot for a file whose name begins with "config" |
| 16:46.40 | AbuSami | any help ?! |
| 16:46.53 | Dewi | AbuSami: you didn't ask anything |
| 16:47.00 | Geek-Boy | :-) |
| 16:47.02 | GMouse | olskolirc: Odds are that your soundcard is no longer available to your DE |
| 16:47.14 | AbuSami | thanks Dewi, I need help in installing Gambas2 |
| 16:47.21 | abrotman | !tell mzperx about kernel config |
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| 16:47.37 | mzperx | Wyzard, there it is ! Thanx ! I was looking under /proc |
| 16:47.53 | GMouse | olskolirc: Was it working before, and did you do anything about the time that it stopped? |
| 16:48.31 | Wyzard | mzperx: The newer kernels in testing/unstable do have /proc/config.gz, though I guess sarge's kernels don't |
| 16:48.59 | AbuSami | Dewi ? |
| 16:49.07 | olskolirc | yes GMouse it was working and i switched to ac97 plugs which didn't work, and now my sound blaster live is gone now |
| 16:49.25 | Wyzard | AbuSami: You still haven't actually asked anything |
| 16:49.28 | Dewi | AbuSami: That isn't really a question |
| 16:49.30 | olskolirc | too. no /dev/dsp and there is a red x on my sound icon |
| 16:49.49 | GMouse | I'm running a headless home server on etch. This morning, the power failed briefly, and now the server only responds to pings. No ssh login attempts work, portscans never end, etc. |
| 16:49.55 | Dewi | AbuSami: or where it could be interpreted as one, we would need a lot more detail |
| 16:50.13 | craigevil | olskolirc: try running alsaconf |
| 16:50.16 | Dewi | GMouse: so no ports? |
| 16:50.21 | mzperx | Wyzard, yeah and also the one I compiled (and does not work actually :-) ) , now I can compare them. |
| 16:50.25 | olskolirc | did alsaconf and still doesn't work |
| 16:50.27 | Dewi | GMouse: portscans should really end eventually :P |
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| 16:50.39 | GMouse | Dewi: Can't tell, it just keeps going for an absurd amount of time. |
| 16:50.52 | Dewi | GMouse: maybe it's not booting (entirely) ? |
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| 16:51.07 | AbuSami | sorry, |
| 16:51.08 | GMouse | Dewi: What could cause that? |
| 16:51.08 | Wyzard | mzperx: If you compile a custom kernel, you should use the "make-kpkg" tool from the "kernel-package" package... it's a frontend for the kernel build process which makes a .deb of your custom kernel |
| 16:51.13 | craigevil | olskolirc: Are you using Gnome or KDE? |
| 16:51.23 | Dewi | GMouse: I feel your pain. I run many headless machines. Plug in a monitor and keyboard. :P |
| 16:51.35 | GMouse | Dewi: Gah, pain. |
| 16:51.37 | olskolirc | kde |
| 16:51.46 | Wyzard | mzperx: and your custom kernel .deb will follow the same conventions as the standard ones, like having its config in /boot |
| 16:51.47 | olskolirc | craigevil kde |
| 16:52.20 | GMouse | Dewi: I had hoped to avoid that, but if I'm choiceless.... |
| 16:52.31 | Tallu | i love make-kpkg :) |
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| 16:52.47 | Dewi | GMouse: you probably are anyway. I mean, I don't know of any ping-based root explots for debian :) |
| 16:52.52 | craigevil | olskolirc: try opening kcontrol and going to Sound & Multimedia and messing with the audio device |
| 16:53.05 | GMouse | Dewi: Fear the might of "ping" |
| 16:53.05 | olskolirc | oh yeah i didn't think of that |
| 16:53.06 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 16:53.22 | Dewi | GMouse: if you have your power button properly hooked up to halt the system, you could try another boot |
| 16:53.29 | Dewi | GMouse: for some reason that seems to help sometimes |
| 16:53.40 | Dewi | GMouse: but linux never ever fails to boot perfectly when I have a monitor plugged in |
| 16:53.54 | GMouse | Dewi: How do you mean, properly hooked up? |
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| 16:54.14 | GMouse | Dewi: I always thought that it either was hooked up or wasn't. |
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| 16:54.22 | Dewi | GMouse: I mean "hooked up so that it's different to just cutting power to your system, which is generally bad" |
| 16:54.33 | AbuSami | IX |
| 16:54.36 | AbuSami | sorry |
| 16:54.40 | abrotman | that's normally a bios optin |
| 16:54.42 | Dewi | GMouse: ACPI or APM or whatever it is |
| 16:54.46 | mzperx | Wyzard, I will try that, thanks for the advice ( I never did this before in the "official" way ... :-( ) |
| 16:54.54 | AbuSami | Dewi, what is wrong in : apt-get install gambas2 |
| 16:54.56 | GMouse | Dewi: Well, no. Actually, it isn't hooked up at all. I end up just shorting the pins on the board. |
| 16:55.01 | AbuSami | I'm using etch |
| 16:55.10 | Dewi | AbuSami: etch doesn't have a package called gambas2 |
| 16:55.10 | GMouse | Dewi: If I actually want to shut it off, I connect with ssh, then tell it to shut down. |
| 16:55.19 | Dewi | AbuSami: it has a package called gambas though |
| 16:55.31 | olskolirc | no sound :-( |
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| 16:55.40 | AbuSami | should I change it temporary to stable and apt gambas2 |
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| 16:55.55 | Dewi | AbuSami: why? |
| 16:56.08 | olskolirc | i have no mixer |
| 16:56.14 | cahoot | olskolirc: sarge? etch? |
| 16:56.15 | GMouse | Dewi: At any rate, I need to steal this computer's connections to have a monitor, so I need to log off. Thanks. |
| 16:56.38 | Dewi | AbuSami: do you mean unstable? |
| 16:56.43 | AbuSami | Dewi , my friend apt it, be seems offline, |
| 16:56.43 | olskolirc | cahoot i use sarge |
| 16:57.05 | AbuSami | Dewi, or unstable, could I do it ? |
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| 16:57.42 | Wyzard | AbuSami: gambas2 is in unstable, but not testing, which means it probably got removed from testing for some reason, such as unfixed release-critical bugs |
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| 16:58.13 | Dewi | Wyzard: according to bjorn it never got added |
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| 16:58.26 | Dewi | Wyzard: and with the freeze current that is the only reason given |
| 16:58.27 | olskolirc | what is the command line for hardware detection |
| 16:58.31 | AbuSami | hmm. what is the best solution Wyzard ? |
| 16:58.37 | olskolirc | detect plug n play |
| 16:58.39 | AbuSami | I need to install it . |
| 16:58.43 | Wyzard | Dewi: ah, ok, so it's a very recent package |
| 16:58.48 | Gnurdux | AbuSami, you could compile it, or get the unstable version |
| 16:58.56 | piper69 | anyone know if there is a software that will work with debian to test/draw electrical circuits |
| 16:59.14 | piper69 | something like "Work Bench" in windows |
| 16:59.28 | Dewi | piper69: sudo apt-cache search pcb ? |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | piper69: geda/xcircuit |
| 16:59.41 | abrotman | piper69: were you the one with the broken upgrade a few weeks ago ? |
| 16:59.49 | abrotman | piper69: the kernel issue |
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| 17:00.04 | piper69 | abrotman: no i had issue with my NIC |
| 17:00.12 | abrotman | damn it .. who was it |
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| 17:00.42 | Dewi | abrotman: you can pretend it was me if you want. I'm going to bed. |
| 17:00.52 | abrotman | Dewi: no .. i wanted to know the bug number! |
| 17:00.58 | Dewi | abrotman: logs? |
| 17:01.19 | abrotman | Dewi: i don't have any |
| 17:01.31 | abrotman | i don't keep logs at all |
| 17:01.37 | olskolirc | i got it |
| 17:01.42 | olskolirc | i think let me test it |
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| 17:02.09 | ARAB_TOWELHEAD | how to displace sed/awak for perl int(c$)!? |
| 17:02.21 | abrotman | what the fuck kind of stupid nick is that ? |
| 17:02.26 | Dewi | ... |
| 17:02.28 | HeXiLed | lol |
| 17:02.29 | CharminTheMoose | could anyone here recommend a gui file manager with drag n drop support? |
| 17:02.38 | HeXiLed | rox |
| 17:02.39 | ARAB_TOWELHEAD | ? |
| 17:02.47 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: nautilus/gentoo/xfe/thunnar |
| 17:02.47 | HeXiLed | rox-filler |
| 17:02.49 | CharminTheMoose | apart from rox? |
| 17:02.58 | olskolirc | soundddddddddddddd |
| 17:03.00 | HeXiLed | nautilus/gentoo/xfe/thunnar/konqueror |
| 17:03.01 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:03.08 | olskolirc | what Chairmin? |
| 17:03.12 | piper69 | abrotman: but you know what i do have some issue with etch, when i go away from my box and return after an hour or so, the screen will be in the sleep mode and when i move the mouse it will not work at all |
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| 17:03.20 | olskolirc | oh never mind he he he |
| 17:03.23 | olskolirc | i got sound |
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| 17:03.27 | abrotman | piper69: stop letting it do that |
| 17:03.28 | piper69 | i will have to hard power reset |
| 17:03.28 | xand | CharminTheMoose: explorer.exe |
| 17:03.39 | olskolirc | i found my module name and did a mod probe, exited mixer restarted mixer |
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| 17:04.23 | robin_sz | nautilus can do drag and drop? never knew that |
| 17:04.26 | CharminTheMoose | or to actually make a coherent question: what could make rox-filer suddenly dislike drag and drop? |
| 17:04.36 | abrotman | robin_sz: erm .. i'm pretty sure it can |
| 17:04.39 | Xride | how do i make sshd start on startup? |
| 17:04.47 | xand | Xride: it does by default |
| 17:04.53 | xand | what did you do to break it? |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 17:04.56 | HeXiLed | make start now |
| 17:04.59 | abrotman | or dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 17:05.26 | AbuSami | Dewi, can you take a look at this : http://gambas.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:05.39 | ARAB_TOWELHEAD | ???????? ??? ???? ??????? ????????????????? ?????????? ???? ??? ????? ????? |
| 17:05.51 | Xride | xand: nothing .. just thought it was off be default |
| 17:05.53 | Wyzard | ARAB_TOWELHEAD: Don't do that |
| 17:05.55 | xand | ARAB_TOWELHEAD: no |
| 17:05.56 | Xride | AbuSami: thanks |
| 17:05.56 | abrotman | I'll pick 'T' |
| 17:06.04 | abrotman | we're playing hangman! |
| 17:06.05 | piper69 | abrotman: geda/xcircuit apt-cache search return nothing for this |
| 17:06.11 | Dewi | I think ARAB_TOWELHEAD is a bot |
| 17:06.14 | abrotman | piper69: they are too different apps |
| 17:06.15 | xand | Xride: well it's not :p |
| 17:06.20 | piper69 | ARAB_TOWELHEAD: we can't read arabic |
| 17:06.27 | abrotman | two |
| 17:06.38 | ARAB_TOWELHEAD | dewi, iz no |
| 17:06.49 | Dewi | piper69: was that... meant to be funny? |
| 17:07.00 | piper69 | ;) |
| 17:07.02 | AbuSami | Dewi , what about this command : deb http://apt.linex.org/linex/gambas/X.Y.ZZ/sid/ ./ |
| 17:07.14 | Wyzard | Was that actually Arabic? I just saw a bunch of question marks... and I thought I had Arabic fonts installed |
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| 17:07.22 | piper69 | yes |
| 17:07.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: no .. it was 'tard' :) |
| 17:08.00 | piper69 | the way the "????" were groupd together sounded like arabic |
| 17:08.15 | Wyzard | MustafaAl`Jurani: Anyway, what is "perl int(c$)!?" |
| 17:08.16 | piper69 | Dewi: both |
| 17:08.18 | xand | roflcopters. |
| 17:08.27 | MustafaAl`Jurani | wyzard: ?????????? ???? ??? ????? ????? |
| 17:08.30 | Dewi | Wyzard: man don't you know anything |
| 17:08.32 | piper69 | MustafaAl`Jurani: marhaba ya mustafa |
| 17:08.32 | MustafaAl`Jurani | tuquai? |
| 17:08.56 | piper69 | Dewi: the reason is because i can read and speak arabic |
| 17:08.57 | Dewi | Wyzard: to help the bot you must think like a bot |
| 17:08.58 | piper69 | ;) |
| 17:09.13 | AbuSami | Wyzard, I have Arabic Fonts installed, and it appeared ? here |
| 17:09.14 | abrotman | MustafaAl`Jurani: for which version of linux ? |
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| 17:09.38 | MustafaAl`Jurani | brotmanmnm::: 50meg base install |
| 17:09.40 | MustafaAl`Jurani | :::/ |
| 17:09.54 | abrotman | oh fuck that .. i don't speak that language |
| 17:10.04 | Dewi | MustafaAl`Jurani: it is, wondering how to install, technical support woozy computer robot speak yes? |
| 17:10.38 | John_Smith | my experiment shows that most irc addicts |
| 17:10.38 | John_Smith | have built in racism |
| 17:10.38 | John_Smith | thanks for taking a part in the experiment :) |
| 17:10.38 | Dewi | MustafaAl`Jurani: random collections of utterances lurking on an irc channel pigs and chickens? |
| 17:10.38 | abrotman | you're from georgia idiot |
| 17:10.38 | John_Smith | hahahah |
| 17:10.39 | AbuSami | Dewi, any help ?! |
| 17:10.39 | John_Smith | racism at its finest |
| 17:10.49 | John_Smith | freenode = fetid vermin of racism |
| 17:10.51 | John_Smith | nuff said |
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| 17:10.55 | Dewi | John_Smith: right. |
| 17:10.58 | HeXiLed | no fdisk ? :( |
| 17:11.03 | Wyzard | John_Smith: Umm... how was anyone racist toward you? |
| 17:11.07 | Dewi | I wonder if he did a control group for tolerance of extreme stupidity. |
| 17:11.15 | Dewi | Because sometimes that can cloud these sorts of studies. |
| 17:11.56 | Dewi | I particularly liked the utterly believable way in which he played the arab. |
| 17:11.59 | dav_ | hum, i have to convert several file in a directory file1.flv to file1.mpg by example how can i do an incrementation in bash to keep the same root name and execute the program converter for each file |
| 17:12.02 | abrotman | right .. troll :) |
| 17:12.09 | olskolirc | awwwwwwww |
| 17:12.26 | olskolirc | he don't speak n-glish :-( |
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| 17:12.54 | jelly-home | You'll all go against the wall come the revolution time! |
| 17:13.06 | abrotman | olskolirc: yes .. according to his hostmask he does .. either he's an offensive pile of shit that was intentionally trolling .. or a total moron |
| 17:13.23 | dav_ | something like "for i do" |
| 17:13.24 | Dewi | abrotman: try both |
| 17:13.26 | dav_ | but i can't remember the right syntax |
| 17:13.45 | Dewi | abrotman: we see people trying unsuccessfully to communicate all the time... and it's nothing like that |
| 17:13.54 | elshaa_ | \q |
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| 17:14.39 | kiba | hello |
| 17:14.41 | deb_noob | can I set the clock to always sync with a time server? |
| 17:14.43 | Dewi | deb_noob: I can see what you're trying to do. Blend in. Be accepted. |
| 17:14.50 | deb_noob | :D |
| 17:14.51 | kiba | I am having problem with installing kermel image |
| 17:14.56 | HeXiLed | ok.. do you guys use fdisk ? or any alternative other than cfdisk ? |
| 17:15.00 | olskolirc | lol jelly |
| 17:15.22 | kiba | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.27 | kiba | well |
| 17:15.32 | kiba | it look like I got to go |
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| 17:15.39 | Dewi | deb_noob: Well start by having it reasonably close, and then install ntp |
| 17:15.58 | deb_noob | Dewi: do what? |
| 17:16.01 | kiba | so how do I fix this error? |
| 17:16.04 | Dewi | deb_noob: some recommend installing ntpdate to get it reasonably close upon boot |
| 17:16.16 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 17:16.22 | kiba | help |
| 17:16.24 | xand | yuck |
| 17:16.27 | piper69 | abrotman: i can't find xcircuit |
| 17:16.38 | abrotman | piper69: try geda then |
| 17:16.47 | Dewi | abrotman: you're really attracting the strange ones tonight. |
| 17:16.50 | abrotman | maybe pulled from etch |
| 17:16.55 | abrotman | !info xcircuit sarge |
| 17:16.57 | olskolirc | he he |
| 17:17.03 | dpkg | xcircuit: (Draw circuit schematics or almost anything), section electronics, is optional. Version: 3.1.19-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 398 kB, Installed size: 901 kB |
| 17:17.05 | robin_sz | I have the feeling, olskolirc is probably male, 120Kg, tattoos and piercings, works in a meat-packing plant |
| 17:17.08 | abrotman | Dewi: i have a special ability |
| 17:17.15 | abrotman | robin_sz: either way .. ti's still strange |
| 17:17.17 | piper69 | abrotman: and that will let me build a circuit and test it to see if it working |
| 17:17.25 | abrotman | piper69: that i don't know |
| 17:17.28 | olskolirc | lmbo @ robin_sz |
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| 17:17.39 | Dewi | robin_sz: you're thinking of me... beautiful. |
| 17:17.43 | abrotman | piper69: i think it's more for design .. are you trying to design circuits or PCBs ? |
| 17:18.00 | olskolirc | lmbo @ Dewi |
| 17:18.05 | piper69 | abrotman: circuits |
| 17:18.16 | jelly-home | olskolirc: b? |
| 17:18.22 | robin_sz | Dewi, just rememebr, I'm not a sysadmin, I'ma welder in disguise |
| 17:18.23 | deb_noob | Dewi: i installed the ntpdate, do i need to configure it? |
| 17:18.23 | spldart | What channel should I use for a 'advice on what is best small deb distro to put on flashdrive' question? |
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| 17:18.27 | olskolirc | what is b? |
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| 17:18.31 | abrotman | piper69: geda won't do it ? |
| 17:18.43 | jelly-home | olskolirc: In lmbo, what does b stand for? |
| 17:18.45 | abrotman | piper69: apt-cache search circuit design |
| 17:18.51 | olskolirc | ohhh, butt |
| 17:18.52 | deb_noob | butt! |
| 17:18.55 | Reiser_X | HeLp: i need help with gnugk (H323) |
| 17:18.56 | olskolirc | i don't cuss lol |
| 17:18.56 | deb_noob | laughing my butt off |
| 17:19.15 | deb_noob | i'm guessing |
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| 17:19.25 | robin_sz | weird .. I assumed it was b for bollox |
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| 17:20.16 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
| 17:20.35 | jelly-home | actingLikeaHoe: I always thought swearing wasn't about using swear words, but about intention |
| 17:21.00 | actingLikeaHoe | God would look at it like that jelly-home |
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| 17:21.11 | actingLikeaHoe | but i don't want to get into a God conversation |
| 17:21.19 | Dewi | ... |
| 17:21.36 | Dewi | Oh, man. |
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| 17:21.46 | Dewi | I feel way too sober to be this confused. |
| 17:21.47 | actingLikeaHoe | lol |
| 17:21.49 | Dewi | Thanks a lot, #debian. |
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| 17:22.01 | jelly-home | !confuse Dewi |
| 17:22.01 | dpkg | Yes, where is my pineapple tomorrow, Dewi? pants of the democracy of mongolia with extra cream |
| 17:22.04 | actingLikeaHoe | lol @ Dewi |
| 17:22.12 | spldart | Sounds like this channel is fine for off topic. I wanna install a small distro of debian base linux on a 1 gig usb flashdrive. I want a minimal xwindowsystem, browser with some good funcionality, irc client and a good AV player etc. |
| 17:22.17 | Dewi | jelly-home: haha. That's what I needed before for the racism troll dude |
| 17:22.19 | jelly-home | ooh, pants with cream |
| 17:23.02 | Dewi | spldart: hmm. It's not something we aim for, it just ends up there sometimes. |
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| 17:23.02 | actingLikeaHoe | brb i have to vaccume now |
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| 17:23.22 | spldart | ah |
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| 17:24.13 | deb_noob | how do i force delete a file? |
| 17:24.18 | Wyzard | rm -f |
| 17:24.33 | deb_noob | ty |
| 17:24.53 | Wyzard | Simple stuff like that can easily be looked up in manpages... |
| 17:24.54 | Wyzard | man rm |
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| 17:25.29 | spldart | shutdown -h now |
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| 17:26.57 | nvz | Wyzard: you're getting too idealistic for the average newbie. they don't know how to read, they only understand pictures. |
| 17:27.14 | nvz | I forgot all about my idea to make the worlds first Linux Manual Pages Coloring and Activity book |
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| 17:28.06 | Wyzard | nvz: Once upon a time you were a newbie too |
| 17:28.10 | jelly-home | nvz: ooh, please do it!!1!one |
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| 17:29.12 | nvz | Wyzard: yeah no kidding, we all were |
| 17:29.32 | Wyzard | nvz: At some point you learned how to read manual pages :-) |
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| 17:30.07 | abrotman | i don't remember being a newbie .. |
| 17:30.14 | nvz | Wyzard: yeah well I think the Linux Manual Pages Coloring and Activity book with complementary GNU Crayons would help the learning curve |
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| 17:31.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: were you like ..12 ? |
| 17:31.28 | cahoot | it can be problematic to navigate the narrow waters between too basic and too specialized problems in #debian |
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| 17:31.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: 15 |
| 17:31.55 | abrotman | close enough :) |
| 17:32.29 | Wyzard | I still have that copy of RH4, actually... part of the December 1996 "InfoMagic Linux Developer's Resource" CD set |
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| 17:32.44 | suv | oh |
| 17:32.52 | suv | s/oh/wow |
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| 17:33.12 | suv | Wyzard, what's its uptime? |
| 17:33.21 | Wyzard | Red Hat 4.0, Slackware 3.1, and Debian 1.2 |
| 17:33.34 | Wyzard | plus full mirrors of sunsite and some other stuff |
| 17:33.53 | suv | I like sunsite |
| 17:34.08 | Wyzard | I haven't been to sunsite in years... does it even still exist? |
| 17:34.12 | suv | the sunsite is an old old site |
| 17:34.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah it does |
| 17:35.01 | jelly-home | http://sunsite.dk/ forwards to Dotsrc.org |
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| 17:35.17 | jelly-home | "formerly known as sunsite.dk" |
| 17:35.29 | abrotman | it's now ibiblio.org |
| 17:35.30 | suv | do you know a site called tsx-11? |
| 17:35.57 | suv | :) |
| 17:35.57 | Wyzard | yeah, tsx-11 is also on that CD set |
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| 17:36.11 | abrotman | sunsite.unc.edu became ibiblio i should say |
| 17:36.12 | Wyzard | as well as prep.ai.mit.edu |
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| 17:36.31 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 17:36.40 | suv | :) |
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| 17:37.18 | HeXiLed | lol |
| 17:39.10 | Wyzard | I should try reinstalling some of these old distros in VMware |
| 17:39.23 | abrotman | i have a 486 you can borrow :) |
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| 17:39.53 | suv | aye... |
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| 17:40.12 | suv | if you have very much ram... |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | 36MB baby! |
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| 17:40.37 | Wyzard | though there's a good chance that kernel 2.0 doesn't support basic things like VMware's virtual pcnet32 Ethernet card |
| 17:40.45 | pipeline | if by "good" you mean "zero" |
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| 17:40.56 | pipeline | pcnet predates linux 2.0 by a considerable measure |
| 17:41.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: 2.2 might work |
| 17:41.14 | jelly-home | pipeline: he can always try 1.2.13 ;-) |
| 17:41.20 | abrotman | could the pcnet32 be driven by ne2k ? |
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| 17:41.26 | Wyzard | no idea |
| 17:41.37 | pipeline | pcnet32 is really freaking old |
| 17:41.46 | rares000 | what d I need to do to make a name server answer authoritatively |
| 17:41.47 | pipeline | I'm sure just about any linux 2.0 kernel has a driver for it :P |
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| 17:42.01 | suv | so, vmware isn't a total solution as you think |
| 17:42.16 | Reiser_X | HeLp: i need help with gnugk (H323) |
| 17:42.37 | abrotman | pipeline: http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/net/pcnet32.c?v=2.0.40 |
| 17:42.55 | jelly-home | 2.0.40 sounds new |
| 17:42.56 | xingu | 2.0.36+ ought to be fine in vmware |
| 17:43.02 | pipeline | abrotman: |
| 17:43.03 | pipeline | 7 * Derived from the lance driver written 1993-1995 by Donald Becker. |
| 17:43.07 | pipeline | :P |
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| 17:43.42 | abrotman | pipeline: i don't see it in the 1.2.x they have there .. might have been a different name |
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| 17:43.49 | pipeline | I wonder, could you try VMware 2.x ? I think 2.x provided a 'lance' isa ethernet instead of the PCI version |
| 17:43.52 | deb_noob | what package is the c compiler? |
| 17:43.58 | xingu | rares000: you need to configure it as master or slave for a given zone. |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | !b-e deb_noob |
| 17:43.59 | dpkg | deb_noob: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 17:44.21 | deb_noob | thank you |
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| 17:45.27 | Geek-Boy | Can someone tell me, how i can mount my smb share white fusesmb, the man an --help doesent help me. A howto site would be good to. |
| 17:45.38 | deb_noob | what is the flex package? |
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| 17:45.59 | abrotman | deb_noob: apt-cache show flex |
| 17:46.52 | xingu | nvz: how about a little golden book on linux |
| 17:46.55 | deb_noob | abrotman: where do i get that? |
| 17:47.23 | nvz | xingu: those still require reading skills.. the coloring book you just look at the pictures and scribble on it |
| 17:47.27 | zenwryly | How can I get my laptop to use "s2both" instead of "halt" or "shutdown -h now" when the battery is dying? |
| 17:47.30 | abrotman | deb_noob: the command line ? |
| 17:47.32 | deb_noob | couldn't find flex_2.5.33-11_amd64.deb |
| 17:47.49 | nvz | xingu: play tic-tac-toe with file permission bits |
| 17:47.52 | Wyzard | deb_noob: What do you need flex for? |
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| 17:48.12 | deb_noob | compiling wine |
| 17:48.18 | deb_noob | on 64 |
| 17:48.24 | xingu | nvz: play pacman with superblock backups, now you're talking |
| 17:48.30 | Wyzard | If wine works on amd64, there should be a package of it |
| 17:48.41 | Wyzard | If there's no package, wine probably doesn't support the amd64 platform |
| 17:49.04 | deb_noob | well i'm reading some page on a workaround |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | Wyzard: not in debian |
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| 17:49.40 | deb_noob | abrotman: do you know anything about bison |
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| 17:50.09 | Reiser_X | abrotman: help with my sound card |
| 17:50.19 | xingu | zenwryly: acpid? hal+gnome-power-manager? |
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| 17:50.31 | suv | bison is an evil general in the game |
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| 17:50.40 | zenwryly | xingu: sounds like good starting points, thanks! |
| 17:50.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: yes there is... I'm running amd64 sid and there's a wine package in the main archive |
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| 17:51.29 | Wyzard | abrotman: ah... but only in sid, not etch |
| 17:51.57 | jelly-home | Wyzard: wonder what it is useful for, maybe only for winelib |
| 17:52.09 | Wyzard | deb_noob: Rather than compiling it yourself, it'd be better to install the package from unstable |
| 17:52.23 | suv | I have a question. in theory, now, can gcc use the 100% power of amd64 or not? |
| 17:52.54 | xingu | suv: sure! while (1) { } ; |
| 17:53.04 | suv | haha |
| 17:53.35 | jelly-home | xingu: you need more threads if it's a multicore cpu. |
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| 17:53.35 | suv | this is not a phaser -_- |
| 17:53.35 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah |
| 17:53.35 | Wyzard | suv: I've heard that 4.3 supports "-march=core2" |
| 17:53.36 | xingu | well, how about while (fork()) { } ; then |
| 17:53.38 | Rounin | Hello... I was wondering, how do I see what files a package has installed and where? |
| 17:53.38 | xingu | smarty pants |
| 17:53.42 | Rounin | Preferably with apt-get |
| 17:54.02 | suv | lol |
| 17:54.18 | suv | the core2 seems to be powerful |
| 17:54.24 | Rounin | Or in other words, "where's the stuff I installed and what's it called" |
| 17:54.36 | xingu | Rounin: dpkg -L |
| 17:54.36 | Rounin | (Perhaps there should be a program called that) |
| 17:54.37 | Wyzard | Rounin: dpkg -L packagename |
| 17:54.40 | suv | core2 is the future!!! |
| 17:54.42 | Rounin | Thank you both |
| 17:54.48 | Rounin | ☺ |
| 17:54.50 | xingu | no, core2 is the recent past |
| 17:54.57 | suv | ha |
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| 17:55.16 | drako | good afternoon |
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| 17:55.59 | xingu | the future will be vectorised |
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| 17:57.38 | hensch | hi . i have installed sun java on my debian etch system in /usr/java. how can i user sun java 1.6 as default java? |
| 17:58.07 | mc__ | does someone know what dd stands for? |
| 17:58.11 | hensch | default is currently gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.2 |
| 17:58.16 | mc__ | the manpage does not know it |
| 17:58.28 | Wyzard | hensch: better to use the packages rather than Sun's installer |
| 17:58.49 | Wyzard | hensch: The packages use the alternatives system so making it the default is fairly straightforward |
| 17:59.02 | xingu | mc__: data definitiion; it's a os360/jcl hand-me-down. |
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| 17:59.34 | hensch | Wyzard: thanks... i try the packages |
| 17:59.36 | mc__ | xingu: thank you |
| 17:59.45 | roler | is there such a thing as pop3/imap password authentication (secure, not plain text) that doesn't use ssl or some other purchased key? |
| 18:00.49 | xingu | mc__: some of the pdp11 heathen have it that it stands for copy and convert, but that cc was already taken |
| 18:00.56 | stew | roler: there is cram |
| 18:00.59 | xingu | mc__: but you can't trust anything /they/ say. |
| 18:01.10 | lunaphyte | do the zapata/zaptel packages support ztdummy? |
| 18:01.29 | abrotman | Wyzard: do you use wine a lot ? |
| 18:01.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope, not at all |
| 18:01.42 | abrotman | oh |
| 18:01.44 | stew | i used several glasses of wine last night |
| 18:01.52 | Wyzard | abrotman: I just checked with apt-cache and saw that the package exists |
| 18:01.57 | mc__ | xingu: but that would make even more sense |
| 18:02.07 | abrotman | stew: shouldn't you use just one glass ? |
| 18:02.23 | roler | stew; in a windows world, what clients support that? What about express or plain outlook? do you know? |
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| 18:03.08 | stew | roler: yes, outlook will support cram. all of the data payload will be unencrypted unless you use ssl however |
| 18:03.46 | stew | roler: you can use a self signed ssl cert if you are willing to have your clients get a warning or unless you can install your cacert onto the clients |
| 18:03.46 | roler | stew; ya thats okay. I am just worried about the passwords because they lead to shell accounts and what not also |
| 18:04.04 | stew | roler: do these users need shell accounts? |
| 18:04.27 | roler | stew; no... I guess I can do nologin. |
| 18:04.40 | Wyzard | Are there any sunspots or solar flares or anything that might currently be interfering with radio activity? |
| 18:04.44 | roler | stew; on a side note, i'm guessing that apache htaccess logins are plain text too right? |
| 18:04.46 | Wyzard | My cordless keyboard and mouse are acting wacky lately |
| 18:04.47 | stew | roler: or store mail users in some other database, like an ldap or mysql database |
| 18:05.08 | stew | roler: i'm not sure about apache, but i'd think so |
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| 18:05.32 | roler | stew; i'm just trying to get us secure as a company before we go to a show with public wireless in 2 months :) |
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| 18:05.58 | xingu | Wyzard: spaceweather.com? |
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| 18:10.50 | xingu | roler: you could just require ipsec on all traffic to/from wireless |
| 18:11.18 | Wyzard | or use OpenVPN |
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| 18:12.08 | suv | can vpn beat the man-in-middle attack? |
| 18:12.18 | zamaliphe | I'm looking for quick fix my system eat all the ram i have only "8 MB" of 256 MB what can i do ? |
| 18:12.20 | xingu | it's designed to, so yes. |
| 18:12.22 | justin | or just tunnel everything over ssh, which is usually the easiest thing to do |
| 18:12.36 | nvz | suv: can video kill the radio star? |
| 18:12.52 | justin | !tell zamaliphe about free ram |
| 18:13.16 | suv | ??? |
| 18:13.25 | Thms | how can i update the locate command because it don't find new created files |
| 18:13.31 | davs | suv: if its properly implemented, yes. someone could in theory intercept your connection to the vpn server, and become a mitm. |
| 18:13.31 | suv | maybe yes |
| 18:13.37 | stew | Thms: updatedb |
| 18:13.50 | Thms | thanks stew |
| 18:13.54 | justin | davs: if it is IMPROPERLY implemented |
| 18:14.12 | unlink | my sata controller doesn't work under linux it seems unless CONFIG_RCU_TORTURE_TEST is enabled in my kernel |
| 18:14.14 | davs | yeah exactly. |
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| 18:14.26 | davs | actually |
| 18:14.29 | unlink | ...which drives the load up to 9 by itself |
| 18:14.49 | davs | suv asked if vpn can BEAT mitm. so my answer was: if properly implemented, yes. |
| 18:14.52 | xingu | it's pretty hard to configure ipsec in such a way as to defeat the anti-replay part. |
| 18:14.54 | davs | it can beat it. |
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| 18:15.01 | unlink | where should i try to debug this? |
| 18:15.21 | suv | so, we should abandon vpn now? |
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| 18:15.32 | xingu | it's more likely that a mitm attempt will set of stonking great kernel alerts and a transport failure |
| 18:15.57 | suv | that's a bad news for banks |
| 18:16.00 | opc0de | hey can anyone give me some suggestions? I'm constantly running out of disk space, buying a large hard drive and using ghost to clone the old drive to the new one.. I'm thinking about just starting to connect more external storage to the machine now.. I've recently heard of LVM, is this a good choice to use for an ever expanding system, or are there problems I should know about? |
| 18:16.15 | davs | suv: no , use it. it works fine. just pay attention to messages about invalid certs and such |
| 18:16.34 | eugman | Do I want the main partition to have a bootable flag? |
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| 18:16.42 | roler | stew; thanks ! |
| 18:16.47 | h3xis | opc0de, just a suggestion but have you considered a simple file server? |
| 18:16.53 | suv | davs, do you think each user is so smart? |
| 18:17.33 | suv | the average users |
| 18:17.45 | davs | suv: i'm talking about protocols and implementation only. those are safe. if you're relying on end users for security, you'll never be able to implement GOOD security.. |
| 18:17.56 | xingu | no you're quite right, we should abandon all technology and go and live in trees again |
| 18:18.07 | xingu | vpn bad, networking bad, banking bad, money bad |
| 18:18.08 | Wyzard | opc0de: If you have a logical volume that spans mulitple physical disks, you run the risk that if *any* of the physical disks dies, you have a damaged filesystem and may be unable to access other files within it, even ones that don't reside on the failed disk |
| 18:18.21 | abrotman | hi! |
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| 18:18.28 | Wyzard | opc0de: because of filesystem bookkeeping structures that may have been on the failed disk |
| 18:18.31 | tarzeau | someone plays kq? i got stuck at the caravan pass |
| 18:18.35 | opc0de | h3xis: in what sense? this machine pretty much is just a file server, but I don't have a good method for increasing the storage space.. if my /home dir grows too big, I don't want to simply add another drive and map it to another mount point, ideally, i'd like /home to grow with the new drive, which looks like that's what LVM is for |
| 18:18.38 | suv | davs, but in the real world, everything is related with people |
| 18:18.57 | davs | suv: so don't use vpn then. sneakernet my work for you.. |
| 18:19.03 | xingu | opc0de: sounds like you want to learn about lvm to me |
| 18:19.11 | opc0de | Wyzard: yeah, that's an issue that was raising a flag for me while reading about LVM |
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| 18:19.33 | eugman | Can someone help me? I need to know if I'm supposed to set the bootable flag on the / partition? |
| 18:19.34 | Wyzard | opc0de: That's not really an issue with LVM itself, though, just an issue with any scheme for spanning multiple disks without redundancy |
| 18:19.42 | Wyzard | opc0de: RAID-0 runs the same risk |
| 18:20.02 | househead | hi! how do i make sudo / gnome-sudo inherit my users gnome-settings on etch? |
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| 18:20.13 | opc0de | Wyzard: right, but if I just add another mount point, if one drive fails, only the files on that drive are at risk |
| 18:20.36 | Wyzard | opc0de: Right, but then you have to divide up your files into multiple directory trees rather than keeping them all in one |
| 18:20.37 | suv | sounds you spent double money to get double damage rate |
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| 18:21.06 | xingu | opc0de: the only gotchas I know about are - error/failure probabilities are at least O(N^2); and losing your geometry/ layout is lethal - so put it somewhere safe, and offline. |
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| 18:21.20 | Wyzard | opc0de: If you don't mind the requirement that all your disks be the same size, you could use RAID-5... that way you're guarded against a single disk failing, and Linux is capable of restriping software RAID-5 arrays to add additional disks, so you have room for expansion |
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| 18:21.41 | czr | eugman, you should if you have dos/windows on the same computer |
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| 18:21.57 | czr | eugman, and if your boot-manager (grub/lilo) is not installed to MBR. |
| 18:22.24 | eugman | czr, I'm doing a full clean so I shouldn't have to then I infer. |
| 18:22.28 | eugman | thanks |
| 18:22.46 | Wyzard | opc0de: (The restripe process takes a long time, but the array is still usable while it's happening, so upgrades don't have to mean big downtime) |
| 18:22.52 | opc0de | Wyzard: I don't really need RAID, this isn't a mission critical system, but I do need backup.. although maybe that's all RAID-5 is.. |
| 18:23.02 | czr | eugman, grub/lilo ignore the bootable flag. on some other architectures it will be different (like ia64) |
| 18:23.04 | opc0de | the only RAID I have experience with is mirrored, I guess that's RAID-1 |
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| 18:23.31 | Wyzard | opc0de: RAID-5 is n disks, n-1 disks worth of usable space, and if any one disk dies you don't lose any data |
| 18:23.38 | exobyte | I think a zombie process is keeping a port in use. When I do lsof -i, though, the port doesn't show up. netcat -l -p <port> fails; it can't bind to the port. |
| 18:23.55 | xingu | opc0de: the other piece of opinion I'll give you (because opinion is in such short supply around these parts) is that straight mirroring is always the right thing to do |
| 18:24.20 | libben | is there anyway that i can restore my smb.conf ? |
| 18:24.39 | justin | !wayttd libben |
| 18:24.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, libben? |
| 18:24.42 | Wyzard | opc0de: If you keep good backups and your system isn't critical, you can probably ignore the risk of disk failure with plain LVM, since if a disk dies you can just restore all the data from backup after you replace it |
| 18:24.43 | xingu | opc0de: optimising storage for /price/ instead of time never is |
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| 18:24.46 | davs | libben: what happened to it? |
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| 18:25.07 | libben | im trying to share my external usb harddrive to my xbox |
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| 18:25.37 | libben | but now i even fucked up the smb.conf so that samba wont even get listed in kde controll, the one that let me share with gui =) |
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| 18:25.52 | opc0de | xingu: very true.. especially with storage as cheap as it is these days |
| 18:25.58 | libben | so i wanna start clean again |
| 18:26.15 | debfanman | opc0de: my $0.02? use lvm and raid :) |
| 18:26.20 | xingu | raid5 demands that you always pay a clusterfeck of a cost on writes, and, a clusterfeck of a cost on reads as well when running degraded |
| 18:26.24 | davs | libben: dpkg --purge smb, then reinstall will get you a clean config file. |
| 18:26.34 | xingu | when you hit that brick wall you'll wonder what you're saving exactly |
| 18:26.34 | Wyzard | opc0de: If you want to optimize for speed instead of price, you'd use RAID-10... a RAID-0 stripe of RAID-1 disk pairs |
| 18:26.55 | libben | ill do adept purge on just meta package samba |
| 18:27.04 | Wyzard | opc0de: That way if a disk fails the RAID-1 keeps you safe, and you can add more storage by adding another pair of disks and restriping the RAID-0 |
| 18:27.09 | libben | will that remove everything ? |
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| 18:27.25 | davs | libben: sounds good. it will remove config files and prog files. but not dependencies.. |
| 18:27.38 | justin | libben: the default samba config works fine, don't touch it |
| 18:27.40 | xingu | ecc raid is even worse when you get the basic math wrong and put in too few spindles so you wind up with weird access patterns |
| 18:28.05 | libben | justin: well, i wanna remove the user questions and all that |
| 18:28.10 | libben | just be enabled to share thing |
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| 18:28.45 | suv | xingu, are you talking of the soft raid? |
| 18:29.08 | xingu | "soft"? |
| 18:29.26 | suv | onboard raid |
| 18:29.49 | opc0de | hmm, so many choices.. much more confused now than before I came in ;) |
| 18:29.54 | suv | do the raid job in software |
| 18:30.02 | xingu | all raid is done in software |
| 18:30.09 | suv | hehe |
| 18:30.19 | suv | you know I mean... |
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| 18:30.21 | Wyzard | xingu: I think he means fakeraid |
| 18:30.24 | jelly-home | xingu: but not all software is run on main CPU |
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| 18:30.58 | suv | are you sure? |
| 18:31.02 | opc0de | do any of you guys use LVM? |
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| 18:31.05 | xingu | no, some raid is run on cpu's that are far, far slower |
| 18:31.15 | Wyzard | opc0de: I'm currently using LVM on top of a RAID-5 of three 750GB disks |
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| 18:31.34 | davs | Wyzard: nice. |
| 18:31.39 | Wyzard | opc0de: Best of both worlds -- redundancy *and* I can conveniently slice up the space into logical volumes :-) |
| 18:31.42 | suv | Wyzard, what's your raid card? |
| 18:31.48 | Wyzard | suv: none, Linux software RAID |
| 18:31.53 | suv | ... |
| 18:32.01 | Wyzard | suv: It's a desktop system; I don't need uber performance |
| 18:32.22 | opc0de | Wyzard: so if your storage space requirements grow further, how do you increase it? |
| 18:32.33 | suv | dynamic? |
| 18:32.41 | Wyzard | opc0de: Add another disk and restripe the RAID-5 array onto it |
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| 18:32.57 | xingu | ... and watch those access parterns take you to the moon and back |
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| 18:33.16 | Wyzard | xingu: During the restripe, or during normal usage? |
| 18:33.23 | xingu | during normal usage |
| 18:33.25 | opc0de | Wyzard: do you have a good howto/tutorial for this setup? The last time I tried getting RAID-1 working, it was a royal pain in the ass and I almost lost my filesystem.. that was on freebsd |
| 18:33.33 | suv | Wyzard, is it worth to slow down your cpu performance? |
| 18:33.39 | xingu | think about how eight adjacend 4k or 8k blocks are going to be placed on the spindles |
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| 18:34.04 | xingu | then think about your normal mix of scattered io |
| 18:34.15 | Thms | !past |
| 18:34.16 | dpkg | [past] you can also join #flood |
| 18:34.17 | Thms | !paste |
| 18:34.17 | xingu | whee, worst case, full stroke latencies - on some pieces of the stripe |
| 18:34.17 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 18:34.21 | xingu | pretty much - all the time |
| 18:34.29 | Wyzard | suv: It really doesn't make that much of a difference... there's much more CPU overhead from the encryption I'm using on top of the RAID, and even that's only noticeable when I do large bulk I/O, which isn't most of the time |
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| 18:35.08 | Thms | hello, I want to share a repertory on my debian computer to my windows computer, here there is my smb.conf http://channels.debian.net/paste/5266 why it didnt work ? |
| 18:35.20 | suv | Wyzard, can your system work well under heavy loading? |
| 18:36.13 | Wyzard | suv: Under heavy disk I/O, no, but that's OK, because it's my personal desktop, not a server |
| 18:36.29 | Wyzard | suv: and I find the performance to be good enough for my usage |
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| 18:36.58 | Wyzard | suv: The performance hit is mostly due to the crypto though, not the RAID |
| 18:37.16 | suv | oh |
| 18:37.35 | opc0de | Wyzard: hmm, I'm just reading about LVM2 and RAID-5, seems like a pretty flexible solution.. any good docs for setting up a debian system this way? |
| 18:37.41 | Wyzard | crypto turns disk I/O load into CPU load :-) |
| 18:37.57 | Wyzard | opc0de: It's supported by the partitioner in the etch installer |
| 18:38.13 | suv | Wyzard, does your raid need 5 hdds? |
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| 18:38.16 | debfanman | Wyzard: just have a special part thats encrytped? or you got the whole / fs encrypted and need a pass to even mount the rootfs? |
| 18:38.19 | justin | the sarge isntaller does lvm and raid too |
| 18:38.27 | Wyzard | suv: I have three 750GB SATA drives |
| 18:38.33 | xingu | opc0de: keep it simple; start with a simple mirror as one storage volume; add disks in pairs; every time you reach a power of two - redo the layout as a stripe of mirror |
| 18:38.34 | suv | oh |
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| 18:38.54 | Wyzard | debfanman: Everything's encrypted except the 50MB /boot partition which contains the kernel... need a passphrase to boot |
| 18:38.55 | xingu | opc0de: stay awake when laying out your mirror pieces; balance them across controllers. |
| 18:38.56 | suv | only 3 hdds? |
| 18:39.03 | opc0de | Wyzard: so out of those 3 750 gig drives, how much is usable space? |
| 18:39.59 | Wyzard | opc0de: All except 50MB at the beginning (which is /boot on one of the drives, and unused on the other two) and 1GB at the end (the three 1GB partitions form a separate RAID-0 which is my swapspace) |
| 18:39.59 | opc0de | xingu: so you're saying not to use LVM? just use RAID-1? |
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| 18:40.21 | xingu | opc0de: lvm2, mirror |
| 18:40.27 | exobyte | is there a way to kill a connection in netstat? |
| 18:40.30 | justin | Wyzard: you dont need to do raid for swap, the kernel will do it for you |
| 18:40.36 | opc0de | Wyzard: but some part of the storage space must be used for the redundancy right? how much is used for that? |
| 18:40.51 | Wyzard | opc0de: Oh, I see what you mean... sorry |
| 18:41.04 | Wyzard | opc0de: One of the three drives, effectively, is consumed |
| 18:41.10 | debfanman | opc0de: raid 5? 2/3 in his case are data, 1/3 is lost |
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| 18:41.15 | opc0de | got it |
| 18:41.33 | Wyzard | opc0de: Three 750GB drives totals 2.25TB but I can only use 1.5TB of it |
| 18:41.34 | opc0de | that's stil better than 50% of your storage being lost when simply mirroring |
| 18:41.49 | xingu | but worse in terms of write latency |
| 18:41.55 | opc0de | xingu: the disadvantage of mirroring over raid 5 is that I have to add drives in pairs right? |
| 18:41.55 | xingu | and read latency in the degraded case |
| 18:41.58 | debfanman | opc0de: mirroring has speed advantage when reading though |
| 18:42.02 | xingu | thaaaat's the idea |
| 18:42.05 | Wyzard | justin: I know, but the swap is encrypted too, using /dev/random as the key, and I've had issues with multiple random-encrypted swapspaces |
| 18:42.13 | debfanman | opc0de: and only need 2 drives instead of 3 :) |
| 18:42.37 | Wyzard | justin: The kernel would run out of entropy at boot time trying to pick multiple random keys, so the bootup would stall until I banged randomly on the keyboard for awhile |
| 18:42.44 | suv | er... |
| 18:42.52 | debfanman | Wyzard: lol, funny |
| 18:42.52 | justin | Wyzard: heh |
| 18:43.10 | suv | complex |
| 18:43.18 | debfanman | Wyzard: so you leave your swap unencrypted then i assume? |
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| 18:43.26 | xingu | io is slow enough as it is, no need to go squirting it through the proverbial cheese straw of raid5 personalities |
| 18:43.41 | opc0de | xingu: say I did go the mirrored route, would it be possible to add drives using USB/external SATA? |
| 18:43.43 | justin | xingu: you hear of raidz? |
| 18:43.43 | Wyzard | debfanman: No, I just use RAID-0 on the three 1GB partitions so I only need to pick one random key, for the array |
| 18:44.11 | xingu | justin: yep |
| 18:44.15 | Wyzard | opc0de: Linux software RAID doesn't care about whether a drive is external or not, but if you get a hardware RAID controller you should check what it supports |
| 18:44.20 | debfanman | Wyzard: you bother clearing the page files on shutdown for security? |
| 18:44.28 | suv | you guys should just use a good external raid array... |
| 18:44.35 | Wyzard | opc0de: FWIW, eSATA is preferable over USB if you want performance |
| 18:44.38 | suv | if I were you |
| 18:44.42 | ebbs | enouf, hi.. It was the SATA drivers, which were not activated... Now Im running a fully functional 2.6.19.2 gcc4.1 self-compiled kernel! :-) |
| 18:44.47 | justin | suv: zfs at least, is better than any HW raid array |
| 18:44.58 | Wyzard | debfanman: no need to... that's why the swap's encryption key is chosen randomly at boot time: when the system is shut down, the key is lost |
| 18:45.09 | suv | delf-compiled? |
| 18:45.12 | suv | hahaha |
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| 18:45.42 | debfanman | Wyzard: oh i see, you reinitialize the swap with a random key on startup, and encrypted the loopback before issuing a swapon? |
| 18:45.48 | xingu | justin: I think raif is going to eat its lunch personally, but we'll see |
| 18:46.24 | justin | xingu: hmm? |
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| 18:46.46 | ebbs | Hi. How can I take a look on my mainboard specifications? Which shell command I need? |
| 18:46.49 | Wyzard | debfanman: right, different key each time, and the encrypted device (it's actually dm-crypt, not loopback) is where mkswap and swapon get run |
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| 18:46.57 | xingu | opc0de: you can add pretty much whatever you like if it's a block device to leenooks; but you get even weirder artifacts in terms of iop balancing |
| 18:47.04 | suv | If I had a raid as Wyzards, I couldn't sleep |
| 18:47.05 | justin | ebbs: lspci? |
| 18:47.26 | suv | it's so DANGERROUS |
| 18:47.34 | xingu | opc0de: if it's theoretical/lab/"can it be done" - go ahead; but if I ever came across a production system laid out like that I'd shoot its owner, or charge double daily rate or something |
| 18:47.37 | Wyzard | suv: My array is dangeroud? |
| 18:47.40 | debfanman | Wyzard: well, dont have to worry much about your machine being stolen now do ya ;) |
| 18:47.40 | Wyzard | *dangerous? |
| 18:47.44 | suv | umm |
| 18:47.52 | ebbs | justin, no, I mean informations about chipset and so on.. |
| 18:47.52 | suv | sounds like |
| 18:48.07 | justin | ebbs: did you run lspci? |
| 18:48.20 | Wyzard | xingu: You're talking about I/O balancing issues as if they're specific to Linux software RAID... afaik those issues are inherent to the algorithm and would happen with any controller |
| 18:48.24 | debfanman | Wyzard: keyboard and computer in some faraday cage as well i assume? ;p |
| 18:48.27 | ebbs | justin, yes |
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| 18:48.32 | xingu | give that man a beer |
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| 18:48.53 | xingu | Wyzard: nothing linux specific about it, apologies if I'm giving that impression |
| 18:49.03 | xingu | disks is disks |
| 18:49.06 | xingu | and slow ones SUCK |
| 18:49.17 | Wyzard | debfanman: No, keyboard and mouse are wireless actually... I'm concerned mostly about casual snooping or theft, not an active attacker with specialized eavesdropping equipment |
| 18:49.18 | justin | ebbs: the host and pci bridge entries should tell you what chipset you have |
| 18:49.41 | Wyzard | debfanman: If the NSA or KGB or whoever are after me, I have bigger issues to worry about :-) |
| 18:49.52 | suv | ... |
| 18:49.55 | justin | xingu: my zfs mirror is 2 external usb hard drives ;) |
| 18:50.00 | ebbs | justin, I would like to know, if my mainboard has an nVidia nForce2 chip... |
| 18:50.12 | justin | xingu: it easily saturates a 100M lan.. zpool scrub takes a while though |
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| 18:50.26 | xingu | justin: one usb2 port or two on the controller? :) |
| 18:50.41 | Wyzard | debfanman: </sarcasm> |
| 18:50.43 | debfanman | Wyzard: true enough. but problem these days is just about any electronic engineer in collegge/univ with a credit card can buy all that equipment online. really sad how easy it is to watch radio noise these days ;( |
| 18:50.53 | justin | xingu: 2 usb ports, but I think the computer only has one controller.. I get 30MB/s from one drive, or 15MB/s from two |
| 18:50.57 | rares000 | so if my server is yondercode.com and my nameservers are ns1 and ns2.mountserver.net do i need |
| 18:51.19 | Caldrin | Hi! I'm asking for help with the following question. I used debian on an X86 architecture. Now I got a X86_64 CPU and want to substitute at least packages like GCC from x86 to x86_64. Is there any easy way to do this or do I have to reinstall my system? |
| 18:51.21 | xingu | justin: ... so it's probably a hub with a single usb2 port, right? spend the six bucks and buy yourself another one |
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| 18:51.38 | xingu | justin: at least do my bleary eyeballs that much justice. :) |
| 18:51.40 | justin | xingu: another one what? |
| 18:51.41 | Wyzard | debfanman: I'm looking to replace my keyboard/mouse anyway so I'm considering getting a corded one, but active eavesdroppers aren't really in the threat model for a personal desktop PC in a suburban apartment |
| 18:51.51 | xingu | justin: another usb2 card |
| 18:52.10 | justin | xingu: oh, if I was going to buy a card I'd just get sata card :) |
| 18:52.19 | rares000 | zone "ns1.mountserver.net" { type master; file "/etc/bind/ns1.mountserver.net"; }; |
| 18:52.22 | xingu | six... bucks. :) |
| 18:52.28 | rares000 | is that what i need to do? |
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| 18:52.33 | opc0de | xingu: you mean if you found a system laid out like Wyzard's, you'd "shoot its owner"? :) |
| 18:52.39 | Wyzard | Caldrin: There's a full 64-bit version of Debian, but you can't convert a 32-bit install to 64-bit; you have to reinstall |
| 18:52.46 | justin | xingu: I haven't cared because it is more than fast enough, and I haven't gotten a single checksum error yet :) |
| 18:53.05 | xingu | opc0de: nah, it sounds reasonably cool so far, nothing horrendously broken; a bit ott on the encryption side for my taste, but I can see the point |
| 18:53.41 | xingu | opc0de: I'm more talking about systems hopelessly lopsided, like two master+one slave pata disks raid5'd with another sata disk |
| 18:53.41 | opc0de | xingu: what kind of drive setup do you use? |
| 18:53.50 | Wyzard | xingu: I might add a fourth 750GB disk in a year or two since I've read that four disks is the "sweet spot" for RAID-5 performance |
| 18:53.52 | Caldrin | Wyzard:I was afraid, this would be the case. Thanks for your answer. |
| 18:54.06 | justin | with 4 disks you should just run raid 10 |
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| 18:54.27 | xingu | opc0de: usually mirror sets; some mirror of stripe (yeah yeah, it's a lvm constraint of the product concerned) |
| 18:54.31 | sepski | justin, unless you need the space ofcourse |
| 18:55.07 | xingu | Wyzard: nope, better off with 3 or 5; think about power-of-two block sizes combined with the need to put parity somewhere |
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| 18:55.29 | Wyzard | xingu: My previous desktop had a sort of lopsided setup, with two 120GB drives and one 200GB drive, and I ended up using a 10GB RAID-1 of partitions on the two 120GB drives, and non-redundant LVM of the rest |
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| 18:55.37 | deb_noob | what packages are xlib and xfree86 development packages for etch? |
| 18:55.41 | Wyzard | xingu: which were mounted as /home and /home2 respectively, and that was a pain |
| 18:56.06 | Wyzard | xingu: That's why I went for the "one big RAID of everything, with LVM on top" approach in this new system |
| 18:56.08 | xingu | yep, that'd suck |
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| 18:57.06 | suv | raid+lvm=??? |
| 18:57.30 | Wyzard | suv: The LVM is just for dividing up the 1.5TB space into logical volumes, not for spanning disks |
| 18:57.39 | Wyzard | suv: I didn't really want a single 1.5TB filesystem |
| 18:57.45 | xingu | eggzackerly |
| 18:57.46 | suv | oh |
| 18:58.07 | xingu | Wyzard: ever been tempted to park in something like iscsi target between your lvm and the raid? |
| 18:58.17 | Wyzard | xingu: What for? |
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| 18:58.46 | justin | suv: believing in something doesn't help you when it is silently corrupting your data |
| 18:58.48 | xingu | Wyzard: allow multiple hosts access to the underlying block store rather than exporting fs's |
| 18:59.10 | xingu | Wyzard: lvm+iscsi initiator is host-context; iscsi target+md personality is san context. |
| 18:59.36 | xingu | or when it's just plain slow |
| 18:59.51 | Wyzard | suv: Hardware RAID is good in a server where you need performance, but it has issues of its own: proprietary metadata format so if the controller fails you have to worry about whether the replacement one is compatible, and it might not support things like restriping |
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| 19:00.05 | xingu | it usually takes 2-3 years before ${current} spindles will flood your "hardware" *barf* off the face of the planet |
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| 19:00.16 | xingu | just ask someone who bought an early escalade |
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| 19:00.52 | suv | Wyzard, I think I just need a phone call |
| 19:01.04 | Wyzard | xingu: It's safe to access an LVM volume group from multiple hosts? |
| 19:01.06 | suv | hahaha |
| 19:01.08 | xingu | the only "hardware" raid I've seen that is worth its chips is something that amounts to bridging two sata ports together |
| 19:01.14 | debfanman | Wyzard: so, you have a backup solution able to handle all that space? tape? cd/dvd? |
| 19:01.41 | deb_noob | how do i install xlib/xfree86 dev packages? |
| 19:01.43 | xingu | Wyzard: if each md device is accessed from a different host it'd be fine. |
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| 19:01.48 | Wyzard | xingu: like, export the underlying PV and have host A access LV A, and host B access LV B? |
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| 19:02.00 | Wyzard | xingu: That'd be useful... I should look into that |
| 19:02.02 | xingu | Wyzard: wrong layering in my view; probably doable. |
| 19:02.12 | deb_noob | anyone please |
| 19:02.26 | xingu | Wyzard: do the lvm on the host side, not the storage server |
| 19:02.48 | xingu | Wyzard: host needs to go down to the lvm layer if there's a failure; consider a cross-storage-unit mirror |
| 19:02.55 | xingu | :) |
| 19:03.15 | suv | er... |
| 19:03.25 | Wyzard | xingu: I think I see what you mean, but I only have one md device containing all my storage |
| 19:03.33 | xingu | ... so far. |
| 19:03.34 | xingu | :) |
| 19:03.45 | Wyzard | xingu: If I add another drive I'd stripe it into the existing array |
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| 19:04.27 | xingu | deb_noob: usually - libx11-dev ? |
| 19:04.43 | Wyzard | debfanman: Backup is something I need to work out... I just recently finished moving all my data off my old desktop system (with the oddball 120/120/200G drive setup) but I'm thinking I might use that for backup |
| 19:05.08 | Thms | why I can't change the chmod of my /media/usbdisk repertory as root in xterm ? |
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| 19:05.35 | justin | Thms: do you perhaps get an error message that you would like to share with the rest of the class? |
| 19:05.35 | xingu | Thms: maybe the filesystem doesn't support permissions? |
| 19:05.49 | Wyzard | Thms: Your USB stick is probably formatted with fat32, which doesn't actually have permissions |
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| 19:06.01 | Wyzard | Thms: The permissions you see are simulated by the fat32 driver |
| 19:06.03 | debfanman | Wyzard: considering dvd myself. With extra par2 recovery info on the disc just in case i run into some bad spots down the road. not sure if par2 is available in linux though. pretty sure |
| 19:06.19 | justin | !+info par2 |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:06.24 | black_13 | !kernel |
| 19:06.26 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.19.2, prepatch: 2.6.20-rc7, snapshot: 2.6.20-rc7-git4, 2.4: 2.4.34.1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc6-mm3 |
| 19:06.29 | dpkg | par2: (Parity Archive Volume Set, for checking and repair of files), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.4-8 (sid), Packaged size: 102 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 19:06.40 | Thms | Wyzard: yes it is fat32 |
| 19:06.41 | Wyzard | debfanman: There's a package called "dvdisaster" that can make recovery volumes too |
| 19:06.56 | Thms | xingu, Wyzard how can I set permissions so ? |
| 19:07.00 | Wyzard | debfanman: but DVD doesn't seem like a great way to back up 400GB+ of data on a regular basis |
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| 19:07.13 | Guerin | or even once |
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| 19:07.34 | xingu | Wyzard: sdlt600. :) |
| 19:07.47 | suv | what data is 400GB? |
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| 19:07.49 | Wyzard | I'm not going to spend thousands on a tape system |
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| 19:08.12 | suv | a 400GB pr0n? |
| 19:08.21 | debfanman | Wyzard: on a regular basis no, but one full backup with incrementals with lots and lots of recovery info might be all thats needed. im my experience with old cd'rs, usually i can read most of the files, just not all of em, and usually have errors scattered throughout the disk. something recovry info would have fixed |
| 19:08.37 | Thms | how can I share my FAT32 usbdisk repertory if it don't support permissions ? |
| 19:09.00 | suv | ??? |
| 19:09.03 | debfanman | suv: my home dvd/cd collecttion in full lossless would probably be way beyond that. and backup since i wouldnt wanna have to rerip everything twice :) |
| 19:09.07 | Wyzard | suv: That's how much space I've currently used on my 1.5TB array... though I could probably reduce that by about 100GB by cleaning out some old stuff I don't need anymore |
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| 19:09.40 | nvz | anyone who has time for 400gb of pr0n probably has no use for it anymore... cause they probably pulled the damn thing off |
| 19:09.50 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 19:09.57 | debfanman | Wyzard: thats the joy of 1.5tb, you can keep the old stuff around forever :) Personally I wouldnt mind keeping a year worth of the debian mirrors for binary/source |
| 19:09.58 | suv | debhelper, you are a nervous man |
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| 19:10.04 | Wyzard | A lot of my space usage comes from FLAC backups of all my audio CDs |
| 19:10.28 | opc0de | nvz: it's all about variety my friend |
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| 19:10.42 | xingu | no two donkeys look the same after all |
| 19:11.03 | debfanman | Wyzard: what kinda of compression does flac get over wave? 5%? 10%? made the mistake of ripping mine around 224k mp3 way back. dont feel like doing it over again though |
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| 19:11.18 | nvz | yeah whatever. I rather find one woman I like and keep the variety up to our imaginations |
| 19:11.43 | Wyzard | debfanman: Well, I'm not too worried about disk failure because of the RAID, and I'm not willing to put money into a structure offsite backup system in case of fire/etc., but I want to have some sort of backup to handle the "oops, I didn't mean to delete that file" case |
| 19:12.10 | justin | Wyzard: you could try lvm snapshots |
| 19:12.20 | justin | Wyzard: though it doesn't work as nice as zfs snapshots |
| 19:12.31 | Wyzard | debfanman: FLAC compresses about 50%... I make Vorbis files for actual listening, and mirror those onto my laptop since they take much less space, and the FLAC files are for archival purposes |
| 19:12.51 | debfanman | Wyzard: ya, would be nice if the ext fs had something built in. I take it you do some sort of dailly incremental tarbal or rsync for cvs of files? |
| 19:13.06 | Wyzard | debfanman: Not currently, but I plan to |
| 19:13.07 | suv | justin, what's the benefit of zfs? |
| 19:13.27 | Wyzard | debfanman: I just built this system a few weeks ago, and just finished transferring all my files from my old computer last night |
| 19:13.30 | debfanman | Wyzard: curious, ext2/3? reiser? xfs? |
| 19:13.31 | justin | suv: data integrity, performance, easy management |
| 19:13.33 | xingu | Wyzard: fleabay says sdlt600 stolen to order^w^w^wyours for the low low price of $700-ish. |
| 19:13.47 | Wyzard | debfanman: reiser |
| 19:13.57 | justin | Wyzard: eek |
| 19:14.06 | Wyzard | reiser3, not reiser4 |
| 19:14.09 | debfanman | more like OJFs :) |
| 19:14.11 | Wyzard | I've had no problems with it, ever |
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| 19:14.26 | jelly-home | Wyzard: you're a lucky bastard |
| 19:14.46 | suv | justin, where is zfs from? |
| 19:14.50 | justin | suv: sun |
| 19:14.54 | suv | ... |
| 19:15.02 | Wyzard | I don't mind ext3 for small filesystems, but the idea of using a table-based (rather than tree-based) filesystem on a huge disk just bothers me |
| 19:15.08 | jelly-home | justin: what OS are you running it on? |
| 19:15.10 | justin | it possibly maybe get ported to linux eventually |
| 19:15.13 | justin | jelly-home: nexenta |
| 19:15.27 | jelly-home | justin: ah |
| 19:15.32 | Wyzard | justin: It has license issues preventing it from being ported to Linux... CDDL vs. GPL |
| 19:15.49 | justin | Wyzard: lots of talk lately about dual licensing |
| 19:15.53 | jelly-home | Wyzard: nexenta doesn't really care about licenses |
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| 19:16.17 | xingu | they steal from everyone? |
| 19:16.19 | justin | jelly-home: yeah, and sun doesn't really care about making a modern OS, so it balances out:) |
| 19:16.38 | suv | a joke? |
| 19:16.42 | Wyzard | jelly-home: That's Nexenta's problem :-) |
| 19:16.44 | jelly-home | xingu: Nexenta is basically Debian GNU/Solaris |
| 19:17.04 | xingu | jelly-home: ./configure-make-makeinstall-enta? |
| 19:17.20 | jelly-home | xingu: you figure it out... like they said, CDDL and GPL don't mix well |
| 19:17.32 | Wyzard | yeah, the Nexenta guy was talking about his OS on debian-devel a few months ago and basically got yelled off the list by everyone telling him that he was violating the GPL |
| 19:17.41 | suv | is CDDL a trojan? |
| 19:17.47 | vydd | hi all....how do I upgrade my debian to testing? |
| 19:17.57 | Gnurdux | how could license issues prevent porting? |
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| 19:18.15 | Gnurdux | and how is nexenta violating the GPL? |
| 19:18.19 | Wyzard | vydd: Edit sources.list to refer to "etch" instead of "sarge", and then update and dist-upgrade |
| 19:18.19 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: license issues can prevent distributability |
| 19:18.23 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 19:18.35 | vydd | thanks Wyzard |
| 19:18.39 | justin | Gnurdux: afaik, by linking gpl stuff against the sun libc |
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| 19:18.49 | Gnurdux | ahhh |
| 19:18.55 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: this is why eg. there can be no mod_security in Debian. |
| 19:19.03 | pink1 | how do I change what gets started at boot time? |
| 19:19.05 | Gnurdux | thats the disadvantage of the GPL imho |
| 19:19.15 | Gnurdux | too invasive |
| 19:19.25 | Gnurdux | LGPL is probably better imo |
| 19:19.32 | Guerin | Gnurdux: it's offset by a greater advantage |
| 19:19.49 | Gnurdux | of course |
| 19:20.02 | Gnurdux | im just saying GPL is probably not my favorite open source license |
| 19:20.16 | suv | BSDL? |
| 19:20.23 | Wyzard | though, I don't agree with the common idea of "linking to a GPL library automatically makes you subject to the GPL" |
| 19:20.29 | Gnurdux | right |
| 19:20.32 | karmatronic | why would someone use nexenta instead of debian or soalris-x86 ? |
| 19:20.34 | Gnurdux | thats hwta im saying |
| 19:20.40 | Gnurdux | is glibc GPL or LGPL? |
| 19:20.44 | jelly-home | karmatronic: best of both worlds? |
| 19:20.46 | Wyzard | LGPL, I believe |
| 19:20.53 | suv | umm |
| 19:21.04 | sxpert | (sounds like discussing the sex of angels) |
| 19:21.13 | karmatronic | jelly, i have debian(of course) and a solaris-x86 on other machine |
| 19:21.17 | justin | karmatronic: debian doesn't have zfs, official solaris is a pain in the ass to use |
| 19:21.19 | Gnurdux | LGPL is ok i think |
| 19:21.23 | karmatronic | jelly, best of both worlds :) |
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| 19:21.27 | xingu | must be spontaneous generation like they taught us in biology! |
| 19:21.35 | Wyzard | LGPL and GPL are both fine as far as I'm concerned |
| 19:21.47 | Gnurdux | is sun gonna open source their libc? |
| 19:21.59 | karmatronic | justin, yeah solaris-x86 is sometimes pain in the ass but its fun too |
| 19:22.23 | xingu | 2.6.20 is out |
| 19:22.23 | justin | Gnurdux: it, it is just under the cddl |
| 19:22.23 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: it is open source I think |
| 19:22.24 | Wyzard | Well, they GPLed Java, so there's hope on the Solaris front |
| 19:22.24 | Gnurdux | yeo |
| 19:22.24 | suv | I just care of the freedom~~~ |
| 19:22.24 | justin | karmatronic: I had nothing but problems with it, everything was broken, tons of java bloat eating ram |
| 19:22.24 | Gnurdux | im surprised SCO isnt suing |
| 19:22.31 | Gnurdux | wait, is GPLed java in debian? |
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| 19:22.33 | Thms | why my /media/usbdisk is not on my /etc/fstab ? |
| 19:22.40 | Wyzard | SCO can't afford to sue Sun too :-) |
| 19:22.43 | Guerin | Gnurdux: the problem with sloaris isn't with the GPL, it's with the choice of CDDL |
| 19:22.48 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: No, they haven't released all of it yet |
| 19:22.53 | Guerin | Gnurdux: java isn't GPLed at all yet |
| 19:22.55 | justin | karmatronic: my nexenta install has no java, and everything works.. the solaris install had 2 versions of java and nothing worked right.. coincidence ? :) |
| 19:23.00 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: coming within the next few months, I believe |
| 19:23.00 | Guerin | in march, apparently |
| 19:23.03 | Gnurdux | ohh |
| 19:23.04 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 19:23.23 | Wyzard | They did release one of the components already, though I don't remember which |
| 19:23.47 | Gnurdux | why dont they just release it and be done with it? |
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| 19:24.09 | Wyzard | Internal bureaucracy, I'd imagine |
| 19:24.24 | zenwryly | I've just modified /usr/lib/powersave/do_acpi_sleep to use s2both instead of s2disk. What's the "proper" way to make this modification so it doesn't interfere with dpkg? Preferably so I get some sort of notification when a new version of the package is going to update that file so I can propagate the change to the new version. |
| 19:24.28 | Wyzard | I look forward to seeing free Sun Java in Debian though |
| 19:24.44 | suv | hahaha |
| 19:24.48 | suv | a dream? |
| 19:25.01 | Wyzard | not at all, given that they've announced they'll release it |
| 19:25.10 | Gnurdux | oh, theyve open sourced the compiler and vm |
| 19:25.16 | deb_noob | back, does anyone know what packages i can install or where i can get xlib and xfree86 dev packages |
| 19:25.23 | justin | !wayttd deb_noob |
| 19:25.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, deb_noob? |
| 19:25.27 | justin | !tell deb_noob about search |
| 19:25.30 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: and we're still waiting on the class library |
| 19:25.32 | deb_noob | compile wine |
| 19:25.39 | justin | deb_noob: apt-get build-dep wine |
| 19:25.40 | deb_noob | on 64bit |
| 19:25.47 | Wyzard | deb_noob: I told you earlier, use the package from unstable |
| 19:25.51 | Wyzard | deb_noob: or make a 32-bit chroot |
| 19:26.03 | Gnurdux | yea |
| 19:26.05 | deb_noob | i'm using a different method |
| 19:26.10 | Wyzard | deb_noob: Compiling stuff manually is a last resort, especially if you're a newbie |
| 19:26.13 | Gnurdux | i think the source is available though |
| 19:26.18 | Wyzard | deb_noob: Different from what? |
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| 19:26.25 | suv | hahaha |
| 19:26.32 | deb_noob | well i'm almost done and i need these two packages to complete it |
| 19:26.48 | suv | to use vmware something? |
| 19:26.49 | deb_noob | Wyzard: http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit |
| 19:27.03 | suv | lol |
| 19:27.17 | Wyzard | deb_noob: OK, and the result will be a bunch of files dumped on your system that dpkg doesn't know about, that can't be automatically upgraded or uninstalled, and that doesn't satisfy dependencies |
| 19:27.28 | Wyzard | deb_noob: We have a package system for a reason |
| 19:27.59 | Wyzard | and there is a 64-bit wine package, in sid |
| 19:28.00 | Guerin | Gnurdux: yould you want to release the accumulated 15 years of cruft and secured-because-nobody-knows-it's-broken code? |
| 19:28.22 | Gnurdux | what, you mean java? |
| 19:28.27 | Gnurdux | heh i dunno |
| 19:28.29 | Guerin | yes |
| 19:28.32 | suv | ??? |
| 19:28.57 | Thms | and how can I know what /dev/* is /media/usbdisk ? |
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| 19:29.09 | Gnurdux | personally im against java for no real reason, because on some bad experiences a couple years ago when i didnt really know how to program :P |
| 19:29.22 | deb_noob | Wyzard: i don't see a wine package for amd64 in repos |
| 19:29.27 | deb_noob | or any wine in repos |
| 19:29.28 | rares000 | http://pastebin.com/875254 what do I need to add to make ns1 and ns2.mountserver.net authoritative |
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| 19:29.35 | mfrisch | its there |
| 19:29.40 | black_13 | is possible to mirror debs locally ? |
| 19:29.49 | Guerin | i mostly object to java on account of the license |
| 19:29.57 | Wyzard | deb_noob: It's in unstable; it hasn't propagated into testing because of the freeze, so you'll need to grab it manually |
| 19:30.00 | Guerin | black_13: of course, how else would debian mirrors do it? |
| 19:30.08 | deb_noob | Wyzard: how |
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| 19:30.28 | deb_noob | Wyzard: and i just saw a 64bit guy in here complaining he couldn't do the bootstrap for the chroot |
| 19:30.54 | Gnurdux | Guerin, mostly, i dont like web stuff, and i really hate all of the stuff where people try to use java for applications, cause it just doesnt work very well |
| 19:30.58 | suv | hahah, 64bit guys? |
| 19:31.00 | craigevil | isnt Sun working on release Java under GPL |
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| 19:31.08 | Gnurdux | "working" lol |
| 19:31.20 | Guerin | craigevil: yes. |
| 19:31.26 | black_13 | Guerin, my question for asking is im using the program "make-live" to build a live cd and the downloads are really time consuming |
| 19:31.29 | dav_ | elo |
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| 19:31.53 | Wyzard | !tell deb_noob about pinning |
| 19:31.58 | ebbs | Hi. On a howto page I read, that it is necessary to have a directory /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq ... but it doesnt exist.. What can I do for that? I installed cpufreq and ran it, but it doesnt work... |
| 19:31.59 | dav_ | what odec shld i use to be sure that my dix will be read without problem i encode it with ffmpeg |
| 19:32.02 | black_13 | sorry "my reason for asking ..." |
| 19:32.06 | dav_ | s/odec/codec |
| 19:32.09 | deb_noob | bbl |
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| 19:32.56 | nvz | ebbs: its probably in /proc/ somewhere. |
| 19:33.06 | cahoot | ebbs: you need to load the relevant kernel module |
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| 19:33.34 | nvz | you also would need to be using sysfs I would think |
| 19:33.55 | Guerin | ao |
| 19:34.21 | nvz | I guess procfs and all that is just built in now |
| 19:34.26 | ebbs | cahoot, the userspace govenor is set as default in my kernel |
| 19:34.45 | cahoot | ebbs: what cpu? |
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| 19:35.07 | xingu | frick me |
| 19:35.30 | ebbs | cahoot, intel core duo 2 GHz |
| 19:35.33 | xingu | bit faster doing make-kpkg when the whole /built/ tree fits in dram. |
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| 19:36.23 | sepski | rares000, have your domain registrar point the domain's to your nameserver ? |
| 19:36.41 | ebbs | nvz, in /proc there is only a file cpuinfo, but not cpufreq |
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| 19:37.05 | zenwryly | I've just modified /usr/lib/powersave/do_acpi_sleep to use s2both instead of s2disk. I could use dpkg-divert to divert the package file to do_acpi_sleep.dpkg but then I wouldn't be notified when apt updates the file. If I just leave the modified file at the package installed version, will apt/dpkg complain when it tries to update that file? |
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| 19:37.12 | marek | hey how do i turn on something in alsamixer? |
| 19:37.13 | SeanTater | My xorg.conf contains this : VertRefresh 43.0 - 60.0 <- but even though I've restarted X, it's running at a refresh rate of 75Hz. How do I change this? |
| 19:37.18 | marek | i dont know which key it is to turn something on |
| 19:37.21 | nvz | ebbs: ah. last I messed with that shit it was in /proc/acpi/ somewhere |
| 19:37.41 | nvz | ebbs: but kernel devs like to change the whole organization of shit a lot |
| 19:37.46 | Wyzard | ebbs: Look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/cpufreq |
| 19:37.56 | nvz | realize things should work differently and change shit |
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| 19:38.09 | Wyzard | ebbs: The modules there are drivers for CPU frequency control on various types of systems |
| 19:38.27 | xingu | cpufreqd package allows you to pick a governor and will autoload it at init.d/cpufreqd start time |
| 19:38.32 | Wyzard | no, wait, nevermind, those are the governors |
| 19:38.54 | rares000 | sepski: i registered ns1 and ns2 with mydomain.com (where I bought the domain) what do I need to add to my zone file |
| 19:39.01 | libben | why cant my xbox find my machine? it says no workgroup found... i did it earlier with a totally clean samba install with new smb.conf.. i dident change anything on that. but then i altered the lines where the example cd was, then it worked so i could see my folders but not my files in it. and now ive comment everything again, but still no workgroup found. http://rafb.net/p/h30cxc68.html |
| 19:39.07 | Wyzard | ebbs: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/arch/x86_64/kernel/cpufreq |
| 19:39.09 | ebbs | Wyzard, directory exists, but the content is a few .ko files |
| 19:39.16 | cahoot | ebbs: looks to me you want speedstep_centrino loaded |
| 19:39.33 | sepski | rares000, hard to know since you didn't paste the zonefile |
| 19:39.35 | Wyzard | cahoot: I just tried that one... doesn't work on my Core 2 Duo system |
| 19:39.36 | Guerin | rares000: you need to use your registrar's ns service |
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| 19:39.48 | cahoot | Wyzard: ok my bad |
| 19:39.49 | ebbs | cahoot, I want to improve my mobility abilities |
| 19:40.16 | Wyzard | ebbs: Is this a laptop? |
| 19:40.35 | rares000 | the registrar allows me to register my nameservers and use them when I configure the domains |
| 19:40.37 | ebbs | Wyzard, yes a LG-MDGBG |
| 19:40.51 | Wyzard | ebbs: OK, then do try speedstep_centrino |
| 19:40.54 | Guerin | rares000: and once you know how, you can. Until then, use the simple way. |
| 19:41.09 | ebbs | Wyzard, Is this a package? |
| 19:41.17 | Wyzard | cahoot: I'm on a desktop... I was under the impression that Conroe desktop processors support speedstep too, but apparently I was wrong |
| 19:41.23 | Guerin | rares000: name service is not a toy; fuck it up and you can break the internets. |
| 19:41.25 | Wyzard | ebbs: No, it's a kernel module, one of the .ko files in that directory |
| 19:41.31 | Wyzard | ebbs: modprobe speedstep-centrino |
| 19:41.40 | rares000 | i'm not playing around |
| 19:41.52 | cahoot | I get the impression this is a custom kernel |
| 19:42.10 | Guerin | rares000: ok. Then you won't mind reading the Bind Manual |
| 19:42.12 | rares000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.26 | rares000 | I have read it |
| 19:42.34 | ebbs | Wyzard, loaded, so now it should work? |
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| 19:42.37 | Guerin | then why do you still have questions? |
| 19:42.38 | rares000 | i think i'm missing on important thing |
| 19:42.53 | cahoot | ebbs: does the dir exist now? |
| 19:42.53 | Wyzard | ebbs: Now those frequency governors should work |
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| 19:43.08 | dan2 | what's the general impression of the java mail api? |
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| 19:43.10 | Wyzard | ebbs: btw, you'll probably want to put speedstep-centrino in /etc/modules so it loads automatically at boot time |
| 19:43.13 | Mitja | How do I make sdb device appear so I can mount it? http://www.slexy.org/paste/1275 |
| 19:43.17 | Guerin | dan2: who cares, it's java |
| 19:43.19 | Mitja | I'm on etch |
| 19:43.23 | dan2 | whoops |
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| 19:43.31 | sepski | !pastebin |
| 19:43.32 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 19:43.38 | cahoot | ebbs: also install sysfs-util and edit /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 19:43.49 | cahoot | ebbs: sysfs-utils |
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| 19:43.58 | sepski | pastebin.ca was the url. pastebin.com is dog slow. |
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| 19:44.15 | ebbs | file exists now..., thank you all |
| 19:44.21 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 19:44.22 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 19:46.05 | black_13 | where would i find a how to build the kernel |
| 19:46.16 | cahoot | ebbs: http://technowizah.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html |
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| 19:46.54 | ebbs | cahoot, thx |
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| 19:47.21 | cahoot | ebbs: he has some other info to help prolong battery time |
| 19:48.09 | rares000 | ok so this my hosts file: http://pastebin.ca/340430 |
| 19:48.24 | Guerin | rares000: #dns |
| 19:48.52 | libben | why cant my xbox find my machine? it says no workgroup found... i did it earlier with a totally clean samba install with new smb.conf.. i dident change anything on that. but then i altered the lines where the example cd was, then it worked so i could see my folders but not my files in it. and now ive comment everything again, but still no workgroup found. http://rafb.net/p/h30cxc68.html |
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| 19:49.05 | libben | anyone? |
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| 19:49.43 | black_13 | !make-kpkg |
| 19:49.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 19:50.54 | sepski | rares000, your mountserver.net. zone does not contain the host for your nameservers ns1.mountserver.net. |
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| 19:51.34 | sepski | rares000, and haveing 2 nameservers on the same ip address is more then pointless. |
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| 19:51.36 | rares000 | ok so do I just need to add A rr's for ns1and ns2? |
| 19:51.39 | Dacicus | Hello. |
| 19:51.40 | sepski | yes |
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| 19:52.15 | rares000 | i know it's pointless but i will move ns2 as soon as they work |
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| 19:53.10 | Dacicus | I have Debian running in VMWare Server in WinXP Home. Almost every time I press Enter, it seems to register it as being pressed twice. Does anyone know why this could happen? |
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| 19:54.12 | Wyzard | Dacicus: I've run both Windows and Debian in VMware Server (albeit on a Debian host, not Windows) and never seen that problem |
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| 19:56.16 | ccvp | (BREAKING NEWS)(AP/REUTERS) - Israel has launched nuclear attacks against Irans Netahnz, Qu`Muran, and Shaitan facilities. 95% of Irans nuclear plants are now destroyed. Iranian representative to the U.N states that the world is about to feel the wraith. |
| 19:56.18 | ccvp | ww3 about to begin |
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| 19:57.14 | karmatronic | ccvp, pfff |
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| 19:57.35 | Dacicus | ccvp: Link? |
| 19:58.09 | ccvp | reuters.com |
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| 19:58.35 | black_13 | what is name of package that gives me linux kernel sources with the debian diffs |
| 19:58.38 | ccvp | ???????? ??? ???? ??????? ????????????????? ?????????? ???? ??? ????? ????? |
| 19:58.48 | Guerin | ccvp: WTF |
| 19:58.58 | karmatronic | ccvp, get the hell out of here |
| 19:59.23 | Dacicus | ccvp: Interesting that there's nothing on the front page of Reuters about this world-changing event. |
| 19:59.31 | ccvp | look again |
| 19:59.35 | ccvp | ww3 is about to start |
| 19:59.40 | ccvp | russia threatens nuclear attacks on the u.s |
| 19:59.42 | ccvp | in irans defense |
| 19:59.52 | ccvp | 1 nuclear weapon for each state |
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| 20:00.06 | ccvp | the end is near |
| 20:00.10 | ccvp | be prepared to meet your god |
| 20:00.13 | Guerin | ccvp: I'm *currently8 listening to a live newscast, have been all morning. |
| 20:00.19 | karmatronic | can we ban that guy ? |
| 20:00.20 | Guerin | ccvp: prepare to mee the ops. |
| 20:00.24 | Dacicus | lol |
| 20:00.30 | Guerin | !ops ccvp |
| 20:00.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: ccvp |
| 20:00.46 | ccvp | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: dpkg |
| 20:00.49 | suv | ccvp? |
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| 20:00.50 | pink1 | can somebody kick that clown please? |
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| 20:00.57 | ccvp | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: ccvp |
| 20:01.02 | ccvp | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: dpkg |
| 20:01.06 | ccvp | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: dpkg |
| 20:01.07 | ccvp | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: dpkg |
| 20:01.17 | ccvp | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: dpkg |
| 20:01.21 | ccvp | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: dpkg |
| 20:01.23 | suv | what's up? |
| 20:01.24 | sigterm | whoa there little fella |
| 20:01.31 | xand | ffs |
| 20:01.55 | bosko | Hi, I'm trying to get wireless networking working for a debian etch install. My wireless card is a DLink wireless card, bit confused as to where to begin with this |
| 20:02.12 | suv | oh |
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| 20:02.42 | bosko | In my network settings I have eth0 which is my regular card, but I dont have any other entries for my wireless |
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| 20:03.13 | Guerin | bosko: you need to load the module |
| 20:03.37 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:04.23 | suv | I think he is lloking for a good guide maybe |
| 20:04.29 | suv | looking |
| 20:04.34 | bosko | Ok. iwconfig isnt valid but ifconfig looks to be near it, I assume thats what you meant? |
| 20:04.53 | suv | ... |
| 20:04.54 | mfrisch | bosko: you need to install it |
| 20:04.58 | bosko | Ah |
| 20:05.00 | karmatronic | bosko, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 20:05.03 | suv | ...... |
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| 20:06.09 | karmatronic | bosko, what s the exact model of your wireless card ? |
| 20:06.20 | karmatronic | bosko, pci , usb, pcmcia ? |
| 20:06.32 | karmatronic | bosko, which chipset ? |
| 20:08.16 | bosko | It's the WDA-1320 from Dlink |
| 20:08.30 | Guerin | so google up the module |
| 20:08.44 | bosko | Ya |
| 20:08.58 | bosko | Im reading about iwconfig first |
| 20:09.28 | mfrisch | bosko: won't work until there is a module to make it work |
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| 20:10.17 | bosko | What? |
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| 20:11.57 | karmatronic | bosko, apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 20:12.08 | bosko | Ya I did that :p |
| 20:12.10 | slept | i messed up my settings for compiz, i removed and purged all compiz packages ... is there a way to restore the defaults ? Everything was working fine but somehow with a lot of clicking and switching between kde and gnome i made the buttons and frames of the windows disapear :( |
| 20:12.22 | karmatronic | bosko, but you need to find the module needed by your wireless card |
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| 20:12.38 | bosko | Ok hmm |
| 20:12.43 | bosko | Would that be on the product specs? |
| 20:12.50 | mfrisch | no |
| 20:12.56 | mfrisch | google |
| 20:13.35 | karmatronic | bosko, at first glance it seems to be supported by the madwifi driver |
| 20:13.53 | bosko | Ya I just stumbled upon that site |
| 20:13.56 | bosko | http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
| 20:14.07 | mfrisch | karmatronic: I thought so.... |
| 20:14.27 | karmatronic | bosko, so download madwifi source, ./configure, make and make install and you re done |
| 20:14.34 | justin | slept: I told you how to fix that DAYS AGO |
| 20:14.47 | bosko | Makes sense, I'll give it a go..thanks |
| 20:15.26 | karmatronic | bosko, after you do that , run dmesg to check wireless card is recognized |
| 20:15.32 | mfrisch | bosko: you can make the mad-wifi mod with module-assistant |
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| 20:15.46 | Granjow | hey |
| 20:15.49 | karmatronic | bosko, then use iwconfig or madwifi utils to configure the wireless card |
| 20:15.55 | Mitja | How do I make sure udevd runs every time, when it's not even on the rcconf list? |
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| 20:16.08 | deb_noob | i need 32bit opengl binaries |
| 20:16.09 | Granjow | When will digikam 0.9 be in the debian repo? |
| 20:16.20 | Granjow | It is out for about 1.5 months ... |
| 20:16.28 | Granjow | are the maintainers sleeping? ^^ |
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| 20:16.42 | tarzeau | Granjow: ask THEM? |
| 20:16.51 | slept | justin, no you didnt you said i have no windowmanager - but i do its compiz or i totally got something wrong ... |
| 20:16.52 | Granjow | tarzeau: Where are THEY? :) |
| 20:17.07 | tarzeau | Granjow: not in #debian which is not the debian maintainer mekka |
| 20:17.14 | tarzeau | Granjow: the BTS, or their email address |
| 20:17.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hey, you guys don't happen to know to know of a non-amixer command-line (without a UI like alsamixer) app for controlling ALSA's master volume? |
| 20:17.31 | Granjow | tarzeau: okay, thanks :) |
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| 20:17.59 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: cp /usr/bin/amixer /usr/bin/apostrophemixer |
| 20:18.05 | justin | slept: I said you weren't running the program that draws the buttons and borders |
| 20:18.09 | abrotman | !rahul++ |
| 20:18.13 | rahul | heh |
| 20:18.28 | justin | slept: what you have wrong is that you haven't bothered to read any of the compiz documentation that mentions this numerous times |
| 20:18.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | rahul: Not like that |
| 20:18.34 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: yes like that |
| 20:18.46 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: ask a useful question next time, please... |
| 20:19.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | A *different* app |
| 20:19.35 | rahul | no. |
| 20:20.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | heh... |
| 20:20.11 | deb_noob | 32bit opengl binaries needed here |
| 20:20.20 | slept | justin, i had a look at the manpage which is not very rich in details .... |
| 20:20.57 | dvs | Dark_Apostrophe: alsamixer doesn't work? |
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| 20:21.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | dvs: No, it's not that |
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| 20:22.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I need something with which I can pass the volume as an option |
| 20:23.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | like --volume 75% |
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| 20:24.46 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: amixer. |
| 20:24.52 | dvs | heh |
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| 20:25.28 | rahul | !penixstrike Dark_Apostrophe |
| 20:25.28 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Dark_Apostrophe to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:25.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | [20:17] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hey, you guys don't happen to know to know of a non-amixer command-line (without a UI like alsamixer) app for controlling ALSA's master volume? |
| 20:25.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | non-amixer |
| 20:26.05 | rahul | 15:17 < rahul> Dark_Apostrophe: cp /usr/bin/amixer /usr/bin/apostrophemixer |
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| 20:26.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Meh... |
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| 20:27.18 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: what's wrong with amixer? |
| 20:27.25 | rahul | apostrophemixer set Master 75% |
| 20:27.34 | deb_noob | does anyone know where i can find the opengl 32bit libs? |
| 20:27.41 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: read the man page.. |
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| 20:29.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: It doesn't work with keyTøuch |
| 20:29.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | o* |
| 20:29.09 | rahul | shit |
| 20:29.16 | rahul | I have like a fucking entourage or something |
| 20:29.24 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: what does that mean? |
| 20:29.49 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: I have nfc what keyTouch is |
| 20:30.47 | amphi | Dark_Apostrophe: keyTøuch? it's really spelt with an ø ? |
| 20:30.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | It means that it doesn't do squat when I push the volume buttons |
| 20:31.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | amphi: [20:29] <Dark_Apostrophe> o* |
| 20:31.28 | amphi | ah |
| 20:31.51 | rahul | then tell it to squat |
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| 20:32.04 | rahul | my volume buttons do what I want them to do, when I want them to |
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| 20:33.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | There is something I'd like to tell you to do, but I don't want to get banned, rahul :) |
| 20:34.10 | rahul | does it involve a goat, a pile of nails, one flavored condom, and one extra-large condom? |
| 20:34.38 | jelly-home | !any ideas |
| 20:34.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:34.41 | rahul | and maybe a wooden spoon and a lead pipe for good measure? |
| 20:35.09 | pstickne | But what are the bunnies for?? |
| 20:35.12 | rahul | k-y... _jelly_ huh? |
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| 20:35.18 | zam_aliphe | what can i do to free some memory ???? http://pastecode.com/13364 && http://pastecode.com/13357 |
| 20:35.23 | _SowdaH_ | hi |
| 20:35.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm not particularly interestedd in your fantasies, rahul |
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| 20:35.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | interested* |
| 20:35.42 | _SowdaH_ | anyone would know smthg about bad dhcp serv configuration? |
| 20:35.44 | mystic_touch | Hello :) |
| 20:35.44 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: and we're not interested in your fanatasies about writing your own mixer app, heh |
| 20:35.53 | rahul | use what's there. it works. |
| 20:36.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | It doesn't, that's my point |
| 20:36.22 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, what makes you think you need to? |
| 20:36.28 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: sounds like a personal problem. |
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| 20:36.49 | mystic_touch | i'm sorry my question but someone knows why i can`t have the direct rendering enabled?! i gt the ati video drive in one ati x1600 to install compiz |
| 20:37.05 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, although, here is how 1) stop using KDE 2) stop using konversation 3) stop using opera :) |
| 20:37.14 | rahul | mystic_touch: the free driver does not support accelerated gl |
| 20:37.21 | jelly-home | zam_aliphe: uh, use some more lightweight windown maganer instead of KDE? |
| 20:37.34 | mystic_touch | rahul i'm using the ati driver flrgx |
| 20:37.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | pstickne: /version me :) |
| 20:37.53 | rahul | mystic_touch: did you compile the kernel module? |
| 20:37.58 | mystic_touch | and it is working the driver just the direct rendering ... |
| 20:38.04 | pstickne | Dark_Apostrophe, 10.0 64796 25852 ? S 22:21 0:06 konversation -caption Konversation |
| 20:38.12 | mystic_touch | rahul i think so ... |
| 20:38.14 | pstickne | Dark_Apostrophe, it's the 3rd highest (mem-use) in that list ;) |
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| 20:38.23 | rahul | don't think so. know so. |
| 20:38.28 | pstickne | (behind only X and opera) |
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| 20:38.34 | mystic_touch | driver from ati automatic install ... |
| 20:38.41 | rahul | "automagic"? |
| 20:38.51 | mystic_touch | correct ... |
| 20:38.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | pstickne: I agree with you on opera, but not KDE or Konvi |
| 20:38.57 | jelly-home | My XChat uses 11MB RESident mem. |
| 20:39.07 | pstickne | Dark_Apostrophe, hey, he asked how to free memory :) |
| 20:39.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | pstickne: What list? |
| 20:39.13 | pstickne | Dark_Apostrophe, the one in the paste |
| 20:39.15 | mystic_touch | by default install kernel and everything i think |
| 20:39.15 | rahul | mystic_touch: are you sure you know the correct way to pronounce arcane incantations? |
| 20:39.21 | dvs | jelly-home: how much memory total? |
| 20:39.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh. |
| 20:39.24 | mystic_touch | llol |
| 20:39.46 | jelly-home | dvs: on my system? 512MB |
| 20:39.51 | mystic_touch | rahul yes i chose the option install the kernel |
| 20:39.55 | rahul | killers and saviors / fight for our fate / there is no escape |
| 20:39.58 | pstickne | Dark_Apostrophe, 64796 25852 # Konversation 34612 17108 # XChat (VSZ/RSS pairs) |
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| 20:40.05 | rahul | mystic_touch: you install the module, not the kernel |
| 20:40.07 | mystic_touch | i try from every aways i think |
| 20:40.13 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: jelly-home i have tray-ed gnome but i didnot like it kde is too easy to use and moor effective |
| 20:40.15 | rahul | did you actually compile it? |
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| 20:40.32 | jelly-home | zam_aliphe: then buy more memory |
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| 20:40.45 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, then 1) stop worrying about memory (and you really don't need to unless it hurts performance noticable) 2) upgrade |
| 20:40.47 | rahul | "I tried sticking a wooden spoon up there, but I didn't like it. I prefer lead pipes." |
| 20:40.56 | mystic_touch | rahul you are tell to me i nede to compile my own kernel tohave direct rendering? |
| 20:41.01 | rahul | mystic_touch: the module. |
| 20:41.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got 1GB of RAM, I can afford not to have my desktop look like shi...umm...I mean, GNOME |
| 20:41.10 | jelly-home | rahul: dude, you're getting weird. |
| 20:41.14 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: jelly-home cant i kill some apps instead ?? |
| 20:41.15 | rahul | heh |
| 20:41.25 | rahul | getting? where HAVE you been, jelly? |
| 20:41.36 | rahul | (home, duh) |
| 20:41.42 | pstickne | Dark_Apostrophe, I think they keep making gnome worse and worse. I'm particularly fond of KDEWM. |
| 20:41.43 | mystic_touch | rahul ohhh so to i don`t install direct from the ati driver but compile first the module that they ... give is that? |
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| 20:41.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | pstickne: I concur |
| 20:42.01 | rahul | mystic_touch: uh, I think so... not sure what you mean |
| 20:42.02 | jelly-home | zam_aliphe: yes you can, starting with KDE services, KDE wm etc. ;-) |
| 20:42.08 | rahul | mystic_touch: usually it's just the source |
| 20:42.11 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, Opera, Konversation, X, or one of the KDE services |
| 20:42.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | pstickne: (kwin) |
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| 20:42.24 | rahul | mystic_touch: needs to be compiled right so it works with the kernel you have |
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| 20:42.40 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, so, no, not really. Look how much memory the other/system processes are using ... 0%, 0.1%, 0.2%, tiddlywinks |
| 20:42.41 | jelly-home | zam_aliphe: how much memory do you have? |
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| 20:43.17 | zam_aliphe | jelly-home: 256MB |
| 20:43.18 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, paste the results of running `free` |
| 20:43.40 | mofu | Issue: "Unable to resolve Xmu symbols - please check your Xmu library installation" in Sarge |
| 20:43.48 | mystic_touch | rahul ok thanks i will try |
| 20:43.55 | jelly-home | zam_aliphe: don't use kde then. |
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| 20:44.28 | pstickne | XFCE is simple, easy, and a bit leaner than kde... |
| 20:44.47 | mystic_touch | linux makes me fell stupid sometimes lol :| |
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| 20:44.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Use SimpleKDE |
| 20:45.08 | rahul | mystic_touch: we have docs for a reason |
| 20:45.08 | dvs | !info simplekde etch |
| 20:45.10 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: http://pastecode.com/13367 |
| 20:45.15 | jelly-home | zam_aliphe: I'd go with a lightweight window manager, and use more leaner alternate apps (at least for irc) |
| 20:45.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | A "lite" version of KDE |
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| 20:45.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://www.simplekde.org/ |
| 20:45.57 | dvs | zam_aliphe: you have no swap space left? |
| 20:46.10 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, is that EXACTLY how it looks in the console? |
| 20:46.10 | zam_aliphe | Dark_Apostrophe: thanks |
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| 20:46.34 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: yes |
| 20:46.34 | pstickne | dvs, look at the sizes, aren't they supposed to be in KB? |
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| 20:47.10 | dvs | pstickne: yes, but there is a "0" on the last row of the swap column |
| 20:47.12 | pstickne | wait, zam_aliphe what does `free -V` say? |
| 20:47.20 | dvs | in the free column, sorry |
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| 20:47.31 | roler | What pop3/imap server supports SPA ? |
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| 20:47.38 | pstickne | dvs, yeah, indeed. but on my system I'd be going, 2025KB???? |
| 20:47.41 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: procps version 3.2.7 |
| 20:47.49 | mystic_touch | rahul the docs don`t workkkk |
| 20:47.58 | pstickne | dvs, I'm trying to find out exactly what UNIT those numbers are in |
| 20:48.13 | mystic_touch | allways need to give problems and make me go to google i don`t know how many hours |
| 20:48.28 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, okay, do it one more time with `free -n` |
| 20:48.31 | pstickne | err, -m |
| 20:48.45 | mystic_touch | is not for any reason that many persons say linux is complicated ins`t it? |
| 20:48.54 | opc0de | hey I'm totally out of the hardware loop, what are some good/cheap motherboard recommendations? I've usually bought asus/abit in the past, but I'm sure I can get by with something cheaper |
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| 20:48.56 | pstickne | linux isn't complicated. |
| 20:49.06 | pstickne | opc0de, pricewatch.com |
| 20:49.07 | rahul | mystic_touch: they work for me |
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| 20:49.17 | pstickne | opc0de, you can find a million generics... |
| 20:49.18 | dvs | opc0de: the motherboard is the one component I don't skimp on. |
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| 20:49.37 | rahul | zless /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:49.43 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: http://pastecode.com/13372 |
| 20:49.48 | opc0de | dvs: yeah I've always been the same, but does it really make a difference these days? |
| 20:49.54 | pstickne | I don't skimp on mobo, ram or PS or HDD or ... heck, I buy the cheapest opticals I can ;) |
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| 20:50.21 | dvs | opc0de: well, I'd use a motherboard from one of the four first tier makers |
| 20:50.35 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, does the system run slow? |
| 20:50.37 | dvs | !prize pstickne |
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| 20:50.57 | rahul | hrm, looks like that chick I met last week is coming to watch the superbowl with me... |
| 20:51.05 | JKnife | apt-get update bug in etch "[13 Packages rred 12845056]" =P |
| 20:51.06 | pstickne | is she cute? ^^ |
| 20:51.12 | rahul | yeah |
| 20:51.20 | rahul | she's part morroccan or something |
| 20:51.25 | dvs | !comfort rahul |
| 20:51.26 | dpkg | There, there, rahul. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:51.41 | Fir3Ligth | Azulita évite le scripting :X |
| 20:51.46 | pstickne | for the anticipated rejection? :( |
| 20:51.56 | rahul | dpkg: only if you have a box of condoms, some k-y jelly, and 42 starving bunnies, thanks. |
| 20:52.00 | rahul | heh |
| 20:52.12 | dvs | pstickne: for the line of questioning he'll face for football rules. |
| 20:52.12 | mystic_touch | rahul yes right but i'm not watching eberypersons after they came from work ... get`s home tired and want to release a litle ... and they have time or want to have tim to lose don`t know how many times to try to install some basic stuff |
| 20:52.22 | rahul | haha |
| 20:52.38 | rahul | it's good. she'll give me free drugs. |
| 20:52.43 | dvs | o_O\ |
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| 20:53.31 | rahul | mystic_touch: no need to watch everyone |
| 20:53.35 | rahul | just do what you need to do, heh |
| 20:53.39 | pstickne | rahul, was that an offer to "take care" of the Cabal? |
| 20:53.49 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: "when i run kaffeine or any media player with konversation " yes became too slow my even freeze meny times |
| 20:53.54 | rahul | pstickne: who's offering? |
| 20:54.07 | mystic_touch | rahul i like linux to just try to be real |
| 20:54.09 | rahul | pstickne: oh, sending them drugs? |
| 20:54.13 | pstickne | ...if you have a box of condoms, some k-y jelly... |
| 20:54.28 | rahul | some good vicotin should take care of them |
| 20:54.59 | rahul | mystic_touch: it is real. |
| 20:55.06 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, personally I think the *best* solution is to upgrade your ram if possible. 512mb would be sufficient although get as much as you can. |
| 20:55.11 | gnp_nix | I have 2 box's, this one running debian with kde and another running winxp they are hooked to a switch which is hooked to my router which is hooked to my dsl modem... How can I set up my nix box to have a different IP from the windows box? |
| 20:55.15 | deb_noob | does anyone know the 32bit opengl package name |
| 20:55.35 | pstickne | gnp_nix, does your router provide DHCP service? |
| 20:55.39 | rahul | oy, another busy week ahead of me |
| 20:55.51 | jelly-home | gnp_nix: a different ip to the internet? |
| 20:55.58 | pstickne | jelly-home, good call ^^ |
| 20:56.02 | deb_noob | !wine |
| 20:56.02 | dpkg | it has been said that wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 20:56.08 | Sebo | How does linux map partitions to /dev's ...If i deleted my /dev/hda1 does it see my hda2 as hda1, my hda3 as hda2 and so on?? |
| 20:56.10 | deb_noob | !wine64 |
| 20:56.18 | deb_noob | !wine-64 |
| 20:56.21 | dvs | !tell deb_noob about msg the bot |
| 20:56.30 | rahul | Sebo: no, for DOS disklabels, 1,2,3,4 are primary partitions |
| 20:56.36 | pstickne | Sebo, awfully. things get moved around. see /etc/udev rules. |
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| 20:56.44 | deb_noob | dvs give me the wine64 tutorial |
| 20:56.50 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: I'm thinking to do that soon but for know what can i kill or what i shouldn't ever kill ? |
| 20:56.59 | dvs | deb_noob: I don't use wine |
| 20:57.00 | pstickne | rahul, ah, right, I was thinking in the extended :( |
| 20:57.04 | mystic_touch | rahul right ... so if we don`t need to watch for everyone that means losing market share ... that means lose power |
| 20:57.06 | rahul | Sebo: then 5,6,7,8...20 are logical partitions in extended partitions, numbered in order |
| 20:57.17 | gnp_nix | never had to mess with my router so dont know if it has dhcp, when I go to whatsmyip.org both machiines have the same ip I want them to be different |
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| 20:57.23 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, use an alternative to KDE and/or konversation. |
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| 20:57.24 | rahul | mystic_touch: "we" have enough "market share" for me |
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| 20:57.57 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: you mean an old one ? |
| 20:58.00 | roler | is there a email pop3/imap server that supports Microsofts SPA? |
| 20:58.02 | MarcoPau | my printer drivers require ghostscript and cups... which packages am I supposed to install? |
| 20:58.03 | rahul | I'd rather not have every dumbass and their starving bunnies in here begging for us to fix their broken ubuntu. |
| 20:58.06 | GeniACK | I am not really familiar with debian... can someone tell me how i can configure X so it recognizes that i have a matrox card? |
| 20:58.09 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: from stable ?? |
| 20:58.13 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, no, I mean, use a different chat client and different desktop setup. |
| 20:58.17 | rahul | !drxx |
| 20:58.17 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 20:58.28 | mystic_touch | rahul that lose tecnique |
| 20:58.34 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, such as SimpleKDE (suggested) or XFCE or bare w/o gnome/KDE |
| 20:58.34 | mystic_touch | rahul that losing tecnique |
| 20:58.42 | rahul | mystic_touch: it's winning right now. |
| 20:58.58 | rahul | mystic_touch: you act like an american... |
| 20:59.00 | Sebo | I don't have any dos partitions nither extended ones :PP I just deleted my previous unused /boot (it was to small :/ so I moved bootloader to /dev/hda3 ) and now it does not boot :/ |
| 20:59.04 | pstickne | zam_aliphe, and bitchx or epic or something for IRC. (or is konversation multi-protocol?) |
| 20:59.06 | GeniACK | dpkg: oh, that was the problem.. the file name was different |
| 20:59.09 | rahul | mystic_touch: you don't need to be number 1 to be someone. |
| 20:59.22 | Sebo | But it was before I deleted it |
| 20:59.22 | zam_aliphe | pstickne: can i install SimpleKDE with apt ? |
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| 20:59.37 | pstickne | don't know. never used it. |
| 20:59.39 | pstickne | !SimpleKDE |
| 20:59.46 | pstickne | no love |
| 20:59.53 | Kevin` | Sebo too small? how much space did you need? shouldn't be more then 5mb |
| 21:00.12 | gnp_nix | my router is a linksys and does have a dhcp tab and it is enabled |
| 21:00.13 | Sebo | It was less ;] |
| 21:00.13 | pstickne | man, I had like 10 kernels, say 20Mb ;) |
| 21:00.16 | libben | how do i gain rar-nonfree? wich repo? |
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| 21:00.21 | mystic_touch | rahul please anyone works for nathing |
| 21:00.23 | Kevin` | Sebo did you reinstall grub after deleting it? |
| 21:00.29 | Sebo | uhm |
| 21:00.29 | pstickne | gnp_nix, there is a difference between the intranet and internet IPs. |
| 21:00.29 | mystic_touch | i hope so :) |
| 21:00.42 | Kevin` | with grub-install or similar |
| 21:00.45 | pstickne | gnp_nix, the internet IP is determined by the cable/DSL box. you can't change it. |
| 21:00.55 | Kevin` | you can also do it with the 'setup' command, from grub itself |
| 21:01.00 | Sebo | I ment I tryied but grub-install does not works |
| 21:01.03 | pstickne | gnp_nix, if DHCP is enabled on the internet, just enable DHCP on both clients and each will get a unique internal IP. |
| 21:01.33 | Sebo | It says it cant read stage1_5 |
| 21:01.40 | gnp_nix | how do I enable dhcp on my nix box? |
| 21:01.42 | pstickne | gnp_nix, they should also have the default route supplied via DHCP to know to contact the router to get out (the router NATs the internal ips to another IP it has on its external interface) |
| 21:01.49 | gotaku | Does anyone know why the icon for xchat is the little smiley face saying "Hi" even if I select the regular xchat logo from /usr/share/pixmaps? |
| 21:01.54 | pstickne | gnp_nix, it should be setup by default. what does `ifconfig' say? |
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| 21:03.14 | Sebo | does'nt mether wether i'm typing (hd0,1) or (hd0,2) as root |
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| 21:03.14 | gnp_nix | doesnt say anything about dhcp |
| 21:03.32 | pstickne | gnp_nix, doesn't matter. what is the IP? |
| 21:04.51 | Kevin` | Sebo, when I installed grub on here, I just did it from a grub boot disk, because grub-install got rather confused in linux with 5 disks and RAID |
| 21:05.12 | Kevin` | you have to put the needed /boot/ files there first, of course |
| 21:05.14 | pstickne | (ifconfig won't tell if the computer is using DHCP or not; that is handled outside of the interface in Linux with dhclient) |
| 21:05.45 | Sebo | Ok so how can I check which partitions do I have on my hdd and which dev's are they maped to ;> |
| 21:05.50 | gnp_nix | has both eth0:1 and eth0 and both have a inet and bcast all of which are different |
| 21:05.51 | pstickne | fdisk -l |
| 21:05.51 | Kevin` | mount |
| 21:06.05 | Kevin` | why do you have eth0:1? |
| 21:06.36 | pstickne | gnp_nix, eth0 has an ip that looks like 192.168.x.x, right? |
| 21:07.00 | pstickne | (just ignore eth0:1, it's a virtual) |
| 21:07.06 | ebbs | Hi. How to use signals... In a man page signals are listed. man page: cpufreq signal: SIGHUP. |
| 21:07.18 | Kevin` | yes, it' |
| 21:07.18 | pstickne | kill -signal process |
| 21:07.25 | gnp_nix | yes 192.168.x.xxx |
| 21:07.31 | Kevin` | yes, it's virtual, but WHY does he have it without knowing what it is? |
| 21:07.33 | pstickne | gnp_nix, then it's using DHCP. |
| 21:07.57 | Kevin` | my ip is 192.168.182.3 and i'm not using dhcp =p |
| 21:08.05 | pstickne | gnp_nix, get the IP of your windows box and ping eachother; if that works (they should both start with 192.168.x.x but end differently) then your DHCP is working fine. |
| 21:08.26 | pstickne | Kevin`, yeah, I'm going for the average-case here ^^ |
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| 21:08.56 | space_bme | hello |
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| 21:09.07 | pstickne | Kevin`, I have no idea :P |
| 21:09.23 | pstickne | (why he has a virtual) |
| 21:09.29 | pstickne | hello space_bme |
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| 21:10.09 | gnp_nix | ok I can ping the nix box from my windows box |
| 21:10.25 | space_bme | I want to install ndiswrapper and i read in the INSTALL file that I have to make sure there is a link to the kernel source from the modules directory. |
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| 21:10.38 | pstickne | yay. and you can get to the internet fine from both? |
| 21:10.49 | MatBoy | guys, when a hostname is set, apache listens on htis hostname (internal btw) and on a linux desktop you set the hostname of the server in hosts with the hostname it has... that should work shouldn't it ? |
| 21:10.54 | Kevin` | space_bme what wireless chipset are you using? |
| 21:11.00 | space_bme | but i have no directory such this name: /lib/modules/mykernel/build |
| 21:11.10 | space_bme | atheros 5523 |
| 21:11.27 | pstickne | MatBoy, you need to supply an inet address to associated with the hostname |
| 21:11.28 | Kevin` | space_bme i'm assuming usb, or you'd be using the much better madwifi driver right? |
| 21:11.59 | Kevin` | services do not listen on hostnames, they listen on ip addresses, usually just on 0.0.0.0 which means any |
| 21:12.03 | gnp_nix | so if I want to or want someone else to connect to my nix box via ssh or something what ip do I give them |
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| 21:12.24 | pstickne | gnp_nix, you need to create a rule in the router to allow a port to be forwarded through |
| 21:12.32 | Kevin` | gnp_nix 71.52.255.125 I assume.. |
| 21:12.34 | pstickne | gnp_nix, then you'd give them your INTERNET ip |
| 21:12.39 | MatBoy | pstickne, but that is inthe hosts of the client |
| 21:12.49 | space_bme | its usb |
| 21:12.51 | pstickne | gnp_nix, and say, forward port 22 to your internal linux machine |
| 21:13.03 | space_bme | 3com 3crusb20075 |
| 21:13.05 | pstickne | MatBoy, and on the server, it also needs to know how to resolve the hostname |
| 21:13.16 | gnp_nix | man Ive got a lot to learn :( |
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| 21:13.27 | MatBoy | pseubodot, done that |
| 21:13.44 | Kevin` | gnp_nix what is the ip address of your linux machine as reported by ifconfig |
| 21:13.51 | gnp_nix | I just wanted a simple server here at the house and was told it was easy but its not |
| 21:14.00 | pstickne | gnp_nix, it _is_ easy |
| 21:14.16 | space_bme | Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386/build; give the path to kernel build directory with KBUILD=<path> argument to make |
| 21:14.19 | bosko | Ok, I got MadWifi installed, wireless card shows up in my network settings, when I do iwconfig it is listed with details under ath0 ... but for some reason I just cant get access to the net. Any ideas? |
| 21:14.21 | Kevin` | some basic knowledge of how ip works is obviously required |
| 21:14.22 | pstickne | gnp_nix, open up your router config, go to port forwarding, tell it to send port 22 to 192.168.x.x (where this is your linux ip) |
| 21:14.28 | gnp_nix | 192.168.1.103 |
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| 21:14.32 | space_bme | this is the error message, and i dont know what to do |
| 21:14.52 | Kevin` | space_bme install the kernel sources that match your current kernel |
| 21:15.04 | pstickne | so tell your router to forward port 22->192.168.1.103 then setup start the ssh server and have your friend connect |
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| 21:15.57 | MatBoy | pstickne, other idea maybe ? |
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| 21:16.16 | gnp_nix | ok did that |
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| 21:16.33 | pstickne | MatBoy, and what isn't working exactly? |
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| 21:16.43 | alskdfj | how can i run pppconfig, i enter pppconfig and it says command not found |
| 21:16.49 | alskdfj | !ppp |
| 21:16.50 | dpkg | [ppp] even if you don't read that, just MAKE SURE you have ppp_async compiled into your kernelas a module or you're not dialing anywhere bub, or look at http://www.linux.net.nz/pppconfig/details.php?authtype=pap |
| 21:16.52 | pstickne | are you root? |
| 21:17.01 | alskdfj | yes |
| 21:17.02 | pstickne | (it's likely not in a std. user $PATH) |
| 21:17.10 | dvs | alskdfj: pppoe packages installed? |
| 21:17.20 | alskdfj | apt-get install ppp |
| 21:17.24 | alskdfj | did that |
| 21:17.26 | MatBoy | pstickne, hostname cannot be found, does not extist. But for another host it works withg the /etc/hosts I use servername.matboy.int |
| 21:17.26 | dvs | no pppoe |
| 21:17.35 | alskdfj | what's ppp then? |
| 21:17.39 | alskdfj | dont need that? |
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| 21:17.45 | pstickne | where does it say the hostname can't be found? on which machine? |
| 21:17.49 | dvs | !info ppp |
| 21:17.55 | ebbs | Hi. How to use signals... In a man page signals are listed. man page: cpufreq signal: SIGHUP. |
| 21:17.58 | dpkg | ppp: (Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.4.4rel-5 (sid), Packaged size: 326 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 21:18.05 | pstickne | ebbs, again: kill -signal process |
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| 21:18.39 | dendrite | pstickne: You get your usb/udev sorted out? |
| 21:18.53 | hensch | wie kann ich firefox als standard browser verwenden? |
| 21:18.55 | MatBoy | pstickne, I can ping it on hostname btw |
| 21:18.59 | hensch | für xchat? |
| 21:19.05 | MatBoy | on the client |
| 21:19.08 | dendrite | !de |
| 21:19.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 21:19.18 | ebbs | pstickne, sry , didnt know,that you mean me |
| 21:20.02 | pstickne | MatBoy, on the client, what happens when you do `ping thehostnameinmyhostconfigfile` ? |
| 21:20.05 | gnp_nix | ok think I did it right |
| 21:20.11 | kiba | I need help with installation of kernel image |
| 21:20.12 | rahul | "Any chance of Darryl Hannah running around nude on stage while you play?" heh. |
| 21:20.18 | MatBoy | pstickne, I get a reply of the machine |
| 21:20.19 | kiba | Mine is incomplete |
| 21:20.25 | gnp_nix | Im logged in via putty as root to my nix box I think |
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| 21:20.44 | pstickne | MatBoy, what application on the client doesn't work then? |
| 21:21.07 | pstickne | gnp_nix, or you got really lucky with the password and are in someone elses ^^ |
| 21:21.09 | kiba | http://rafb.net/p/U97CPS59.html |
| 21:21.13 | kiba | help? |
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| 21:21.18 | MatBoy | pstickne, I don't get the apache defualt page in my browser |
| 21:21.23 | pstickne | gnp_nix, however, you need to have someone from the OUTSIDE connect to verify the setup |
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| 21:21.26 | pstickne | MatBoy, what do you get? |
| 21:21.43 | pstickne | MatBoy, have you restarted the browser? (some do stupid caching) |
| 21:21.47 | MatBoy | pstickne, I don't get it ;) The default apache page... |
| 21:21.50 | MatBoy | yep |
| 21:21.53 | MatBoy | let me trye it again |
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| 21:21.58 | gnp_nix | but I shouldnt let them in as root should I? |
| 21:22.05 | pstickne | gnp_nix, no. |
| 21:22.11 | MatBoy | pstickne, nope, doesn;t work |
| 21:22.17 | pstickne | MatBoy, what does it say? |
| 21:22.24 | space_bme | there is still no build directory in /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386 |
| 21:22.31 | gnp_nix | not like I have anything important on theb box though |
| 21:22.39 | space_bme | and make install returns with error |
| 21:22.39 | pstickne | gnp_nix, it doesn't matter. don't do it. |
| 21:22.49 | MatBoy | pstickne, can't determine the IP of the host name |
| 21:22.52 | gnp_nix | how do I create a test user to let someone else in? |
| 21:22.54 | pstickne | gnp_nix, take the 2 minutes and create an un-prividledged user account |
| 21:22.55 | dvs | gnp_nix: give him his own account |
| 21:22.56 | pstickne | MatBoy, what browser? |
| 21:23.07 | pstickne | gnp_nix, see adduser/useradd, whichever you like. |
| 21:23.09 | MatBoy | pstickne, Iceweasel (FF) |
| 21:23.14 | dvs | gnp_nix: adduser <name> |
| 21:23.18 | dvs | as root |
| 21:23.35 | alskdfj | can u connect to http://channel.debian.de/faq/ch-confignet.html |
| 21:23.39 | alskdfj | i cant |
| 21:23.48 | pstickne | MatBoy, and you've completely restarted the process? I think that FF _might_ use its own DNS resolving crap. |
| 21:24.04 | MatBoy | pseubodot, I will let FF crash for now |
| 21:24.09 | MatBoy | and restart it |
| 21:24.12 | gnp_nix | room number? |
| 21:24.28 | pstickne | make sure that all processes are killed sometimes there is one hiding in the background even though there are no windows... |
| 21:24.29 | gnp_nix | whats that for? |
| 21:24.48 | dendrite | gnp_nix: For professional/academic environments. Forget about it. |
| 21:24.50 | pstickne | gnp_nix, for your information. so you can find the device. |
| 21:24.52 | MatBoy | pstickne, strange was that another hostname worked like chairm |
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| 21:25.09 | pstickne | MatBoy, does the presences of .'s make a difference? |
| 21:25.26 | MatBoy | pstickne, how do you mean ? |
| 21:25.38 | gnp_nix | ok you wanna try it out for me? |
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| 21:26.04 | MatBoy | pstickne, do I need a DNS at the side of the server maybe ? |
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| 21:26.29 | pstickne | MatBoy, no. |
| 21:26.47 | MatBoy | when I grab a netstat it's all looking fine |
| 21:26.55 | pstickne | MatBoy, the client, and only the client resolves the IP for the client (which it might, and often does, do with the help of a DNS hosted somewhere else) |
| 21:27.10 | pstickne | err, "resolves the IP for use with the client applications" |
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| 21:27.37 | MatBoy | pstickne, you mean, it will still use the DNS from outside ? |
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| 21:27.50 | nitro4ce | hi. i want to install the nvidia drivers for kernel 2.6.18-4-k7. is that possible using apt-get? |
| 21:27.57 | pstickne | MatBoy, depends on how your resolv.conf is configured |
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| 21:28.18 | MatBoy | pstickne, I thought that hosts was going before resolve ? |
| 21:28.18 | dendrite | nitro4ce: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:28.22 | pstickne | MatBoy, but a program could, in all actuality, perform resolves itself (like say, digg) |
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| 21:28.27 | gnp_nix | pstickne can I pm you the info and you try to connect? |
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| 21:29.16 | MatBoy | pstickne, it was the proxy |
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| 21:29.23 | pstickne | gnp_nix, sure |
| 21:29.32 | pstickne | MatBoy, ooh. sneaky. |
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| 21:29.44 | space_bme | what should i do to get a build directory in /lib/modules/2.6.15-27-386 ? |
| 21:29.51 | MatBoy | pstickne, yeah, especially becayse the other hostname didn't need it |
| 21:30.18 | pstickne | space_bme, why would /lib/modules/x.y.z contain a build directory? |
| 21:30.27 | pstickne | space_bme, the build directory should exist under the kernel source tree |
| 21:30.47 | space_bme | ndiswrapper needs this directory |
| 21:31.12 | pstickne | needs *a module build directory* or /lib/modules/x.y.z/buildsomethign? |
| 21:31.26 | HymnToLife | space_bme, do you have your kernel headers installed ? |
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| 21:31.55 | pstickne | if it's the former, grab a compatible kernel source, extract it, copy over a matching config from /boot, configure it and then you should have a module build dir |
| 21:32.12 | space_bme | You need a recent kernel, at least 2.6.6 or 2.4.26, with header files |
| 21:32.12 | space_bme | for the kernel. Make sure there is a link to the kernel source from |
| 21:32.12 | space_bme | the modules directory. The command |
| 21:32.12 | space_bme | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.12 | space_bme | should have at least 'include' directory and '.config' file. |
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| 21:32.24 | space_bme | sorry |
| 21:32.30 | pstickne | "Make sure there is a link to the kernel source from the modules directory." |
| 21:32.36 | pstickne | I think that sums it up. |
| 21:32.48 | space_bme | ? |
| 21:32.57 | space_bme | i have installed the headers too |
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| 21:33.07 | HymnToLife | space_bme, apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 21:33.15 | pstickne | Read what it told you to do. 1) get the source 2) copy over a config 3) create a link |
| 21:33.25 | kiba | 1 not full upgrade and remove |
| 21:33.26 | kiba | help |
| 21:33.31 | kiba | kernel image prblems |
| 21:33.33 | kiba | help? |
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| 21:33.44 | pstickne | kiba, :( |
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| 21:33.51 | gnp_nix | cant figure out how to pm in xchat lol |
| 21:33.52 | Supaplex | !tell kiba -about enter |
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| 21:34.03 | dvs | gnp_nix: /msg ?? |
| 21:34.04 | pstickne | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.12 | gnp_nix | I tried that |
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| 21:34.18 | dvs | gnp_nix: try again |
| 21:34.26 | dvs | gnp_nix: /help msg |
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| 21:34.43 | space_bme | it works, thanks |
| 21:35.03 | househead | hi. sudo lets me run commands as root without asking for a pass. my user isn't in the sudo group. I have "%adm ALL=(ALL) ALL" in sudoers and my user is in the adm group. What is going on? |
| 21:35.35 | dvs | househead: I think adm only applies to the user and not the group |
| 21:36.06 | househead | dvs: %adm means adm group, due to the % |
| 21:36.19 | househead | it works, i can sudo, it just doesnt ask for a pass |
| 21:36.23 | dvs | househead: oh okay. Did you just add yourself to the group? |
| 21:36.27 | househead | yea |
| 21:36.31 | pstickne | househead, why would it ask for a pass? |
| 21:36.38 | dvs | househead: did you log out and back in again? |
| 21:36.43 | househead | dvs: yea |
| 21:36.56 | dendrite | kiba: does /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 exist? |
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| 21:37.07 | househead | pstickne: i want to be promted for a pass, that is then cached, like ubuntu |
| 21:37.26 | gnp_nix | did you get the msg pstickne |
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| 21:37.59 | pstickne | gnp_nix, no. check out the FreeNode tab, make sure it isn't rejecting you |
| 21:37.59 | kiba | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 17 |
| 21:38.13 | dendrite | kiba: does /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 exist? |
| 21:38.17 | kiba | Failed to symbolic-link boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 to initrd.img. |
| 21:38.25 | hexoroid | amd or intel? |
| 21:38.30 | kiba | I am trying to upgrade kernel-image stuff |
| 21:38.31 | hexoroid | which should i get :) |
| 21:38.35 | kiba | apperantly, it doesn't like me |
| 21:38.37 | dendrite | kiba: Please just answer the question. |
| 21:38.50 | kiba | Don't know |
| 21:38.51 | gnp_nix | ya forgot about the reg part of freenode |
| 21:38.55 | pstickne | househead, hmm, but doesn't sudo just allow if the rules match? isn't that outside the scope of sudo? |
| 21:39.00 | gnp_nix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.11 | dendrite | kiba: ls -l /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 21:39.23 | pstickne | househead, ohh, nvm |
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| 21:39.44 | kiba | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4355227 Feb 4 04:40 /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 21:39.50 | kiba | am I fine or not fine? |
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| 21:40.25 | pstickne | kiba, looks fine |
| 21:40.32 | dendrite | kiba: OK, the symlink target exists. Now, what does ls -l /initrd.img say? |
| 21:40.45 | dendrite | pstickne: Not fine yet! |
| 21:41.00 | pstickne | hey, hey, I was answering one question at a time ;) |
| 21:41.15 | dvs | !confuse pstickne |
| 21:41.16 | dpkg | No, where is our snake tomorrow, pstickne? breeches of the people's republic of micronesia with extra herring |
| 21:41.29 | dendrite | dvs: ... As long as you don't confuse kiba ... |
| 21:41.36 | kiba | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Feb 1 11:07 /initrd.img -> initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 |
| 21:41.50 | GNP | pstickne did you get it now? |
| 21:41.59 | dvs | dendrite: somehow, I don't think that's necessary\ |
| 21:42.30 | dendrite | kiba: Hmmm. That should be boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-486 . |
| 21:42.48 | dendrite | kiba: What flavor of debian are you running? |
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| 21:43.35 | kiba | unstable |
| 21:43.51 | kiba | desktop, net installation |
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| 21:44.05 | graytron | hi x_link. did you get kooldock to work? |
| 21:44.20 | dendrite | kiba: Um, why are you running unstable? Anyone running unstable should be able to figure this one out, at least to a greater extent than you seem to have... |
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| 21:44.26 | alskdfj | which one is better for a really old laptop? openbox or fluxbox? |
| 21:44.39 | dendrite | kiba: What did you use to install? |
| 21:44.48 | streuner | alskdfj: mater of taste |
| 21:44.56 | streuner | s/mater/matter/ |
| 21:45.04 | alskdfj | only 64mb ram, what do you say? |
| 21:45.26 | streuner | well, don't use any modern brower :-) |
| 21:45.27 | kiba | I used a CD to install Debian. |
| 21:45.33 | pstickne | alskdfj, try them both; they should be about the same, no? |
| 21:45.51 | alskdfj | so openbox with its fancy windows doesnt consume more RAM and processor work? |
| 21:45.52 | kiba | Unstable doesn't have that much problem |
| 21:45.59 | kiba | beside, I don't want to use old softwares anyway |
| 21:46.04 | ofer0 | alskdfj, how old ? |
| 21:46.10 | streuner | alskdfj: that's NOT the problem... |
| 21:46.23 | streuner | alskdfj: the problem is a modern browser |
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| 21:46.31 | alskdfj | p2 |
| 21:46.33 | dendrite | kiba: OK, well, I'd look into the integrity of the symlinks per your issue. |
| 21:46.46 | ofer0 | There's "old" - a P3 with 192MB of SDRAM 100MHz, and there's "old", a Pentium Pro with 8MB of memory. |
| 21:46.57 | bosko | Im having some trouble getting my wireless working. I'm basically recieving the saem error message provided in this bug : http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-madwifi-maintainers/2006-September/000375.html |
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| 21:47.19 | bosko | I've tried various solutions but .. nothing has worked, just can't seem to be getting any result from DHCP |
| 21:47.25 | streuner | alskdfj: just try both, they don't use too much RAM |
| 21:47.30 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk |
| 21:47.47 | alskdfj | thx guys, i'll get openbox for a try |
| 21:47.56 | karmatronic | bosko, does it work with static ip? |
| 21:48.06 | kiba | dendrite: ? |
| 21:48.13 | bosko | I havent tried that yet, Im actually doing it now |
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| 21:48.18 | bosko | but its not the optimal solution |
| 21:48.29 | sivik | is there a way to set up my audio card to work with multiple programs at once |
| 21:48.39 | karmatronic | bosko, yeah but this way you ll know if problem is dhcp or not .... |
| 21:48.54 | alskdfj | So what about the browser for that "old" system? |
| 21:49.07 | bosko | Ya |
| 21:49.09 | alskdfj | dont say lynx |
| 21:49.16 | streuner | nah, telnet ;-) |
| 21:49.42 | streuner | dillo ! |
| 21:49.42 | pinks | how do I change what gets started at boot time or on log-in? |
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| 21:49.42 | streuner | or such don't use too much RAM... |
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| 21:50.34 | alskdfj | is there something like a light-mozilla ? |
| 21:50.38 | Reiser_X | i have problems runing Ohphone |
| 21:50.51 | RichiH | alskdfj: galeon is a little bit like that |
| 21:50.53 | streuner | pinks: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 21:51.05 | streuner | galeon is pretty dead |
| 21:51.06 | libben | where can i find list of repos ? i want testing |
| 21:51.10 | sivik | how do i get sound on multiple programs at once |
| 21:51.18 | RichiH | streuner: it is? |
| 21:51.24 | streuner | sivik: get a emu10k1 |
| 21:51.28 | RichiH | streuner: what about the beryl factoid, btw? |
| 21:51.35 | RichiH | streuner: it seems.. not right |
| 21:51.36 | streuner | RichiH: i fixed that |
| 21:51.37 | h3sp4wn | sivik: dmix |
| 21:51.42 | RichiH | streuner: :) |
| 21:51.49 | streuner | RichiH: which part isn't ok? |
| 21:51.51 | streuner | !beryl |
| 21:51.52 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/ |
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| 21:52.19 | sivik | streuner, and that matters not what audio card i'm using |
| 21:52.23 | pstickne | alsa should be all you need to handle sound from multiple sources, no? |
| 21:52.31 | RichiH | streuner: the :) was an answer to your statement that you fixed it |
| 21:52.31 | pinks | streuner: thanks |
| 21:52.37 | Reiser_X | streuner: do you know gnugk? |
| 21:52.38 | pstickne | (although the emu10k chipset it a good workhorse) |
| 21:52.48 | h3sp4wn | emu10k sounds like crap |
| 21:52.54 | alskdfj | galeon requires gnome dont it? |
| 21:52.56 | sivik | h3sp4wn, ok, so try dmix? |
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| 21:53.05 | h3sp4wn | sivik: What chipset ? |
| 21:53.45 | eguzkia | hello someone knows an utility to use irda? |
| 21:54.00 | sivik | h3sp4wn, Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02 |
| 21:54.05 | bosko | karmatronic : No luck with static ip either, unless I am doing somehting wrong .. I st the ip/subnet/etc in network settings, should I be doing something after that before I try to connect? |
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| 21:54.27 | space_bme | i have a 1gb pendrive, which will be used in a wrt-router, and i want it to be as fast as possible. Which filesystem do you recommend? |
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| 21:54.28 | karmatronic | bosko, you should set wireless settings first ... |
| 21:54.32 | alskdfj | i got this website saying opera would be pretty good for my purposes, opinions? |
| 21:54.39 | bosko | I did, the key and such is set |
| 21:54.39 | sivik | h3sp4wn, will that work with dmix |
| 21:54.54 | space_bme | i think a journaling fs would be ideal |
| 21:54.55 | h3sp4wn | sivik: should do (if it works at all) |
| 21:54.56 | karmatronic | key,essid and optionnally channel |
| 21:55.01 | sivik | h3sp4wn, grand |
| 21:55.10 | karmatronic | bosko, does iwlist scan return anything ? |
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| 21:55.22 | graytron | anyone here use apcupsd with an apc ups connected to the computer's serial port? |
| 21:55.30 | bosko | Ya, I get a bunch of wireless points including my own |
| 21:55.46 | h3sp4wn | sivik: there is also arts / esd (renamed to something else) / jackd (jackd is a pain to get working right) |
| 21:55.47 | streuner | RichiH: what's funny about that? |
| 21:55.57 | karmatronic | bosko, ok and iwconfig eth1 shows good settings? |
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| 21:56.14 | eguzkia | hello what can i usa to manage IRDA? |
| 21:56.23 | karmatronic | eguzkia, irda-tools |
| 21:56.26 | sivik | h3sp4wn, dmix looks complicated, but i will look at it when i get back |
| 21:56.27 | RichiH | streuner: if it was funny, i would of said 'heh' |
| 21:56.27 | bosko | My wireless device is labelled as ath0 and it seems to be showing good settings |
| 21:56.41 | karmatronic | bosko, ok |
| 21:56.46 | bosko | Shows that Im connected to "calvin" under ESSID: which is my hnome network |
| 21:56.46 | RichiH | streuner: it was simply a positive reply. read it as 'ah, ok :)' |
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| 21:56.57 | eguzkia | karmatronic: there is some internet page to see? |
| 21:57.00 | h3sp4wn | sivik: not compared to jackd |
| 21:57.06 | streuner | RichiH: ah, ok. |
| 21:57.41 | karmatronic | eguzkia, dont know |
| 21:57.44 | karmatronic | :( |
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| 21:57.53 | eguzkia | ok |
| 21:58.05 | streuner | RichiH: they don't work on that project much, IIRC |
| 21:58.06 | MatBoy | does someone hav anyidea howto autmount a Nokia Device as USB-drive, I don't see anything in the logs |
| 21:58.14 | karmatronic | bosko, does dhcp work with ethernet ? |
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| 21:58.45 | bosko | Ya, when I plugged in my lan cable to download madwifi it was working fine, no problem |
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| 21:58.51 | bosko | just plugged it in and it went |
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| 22:00.54 | karmatronic | bosko, the strange thing is that static ip doesnt work either |
| 22:01.13 | bosko | Ya, do I need to reboot or something after I set that up? |
| 22:01.17 | bosko | maybe I didnt do it right |
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| 22:01.27 | kiba | I remove the kernel image and install the kernel image again |
| 22:01.31 | kiba | am I safe? |
| 22:01.43 | magyar | yeap |
| 22:01.45 | RichiH | kiba: should |
| 22:01.48 | kiba | good |
| 22:01.53 | karmatronic | bosko, if you set ip parameters in /etc/network/interfaces , doing a /etc/init.d/networking restart is enough |
| 22:02.25 | kiba | if it is broke, I guess I only have myself to blame |
| 22:02.52 | karmatronic | bosko,maybe you ve configured your wireless router to filter by mac |
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| 22:05.22 | bosko | karmatronic - Hmm, restarted and still no luck. Also no I havent setup any funky mac filtering |
| 22:05.58 | h_a_l | my newly installed all-SATA debian system thinks that it has a /dev/hda which it proceeds to reset for 2 minutes on reboot. Anyone know why, and how to stop it? |
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| 22:06.57 | StarWars | any body use red5 ? |
| 22:07.10 | StarWars | i need some help on red5 |
| 22:07.26 | karmatronic | bosko, dont know |
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| 22:07.29 | karmatronic | bosko, but |
| 22:07.39 | bosko | I found this file from a thread |
| 22:07.40 | birdsixone | How do I change the prompt in a Eterm shell? |
| 22:07.42 | muszek | hi. is there any way I can set APC to handle only specific directories? apc.filters only lets me include/exclude path used in include(), which isn't too handy |
| 22:07.46 | karmatronic | bosko, if you can try to boot with noacpi acpi=off |
| 22:07.51 | bosko | /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 22:08.01 | pstickne | haha. Office 2003, with NO COMPONENTS selected, takes up 430MB. |
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| 22:08.28 | bosko | In there I have listed ath0 and eth0, DRIVERS=="?*" .. not sure if that means anything :/ |
| 22:08.52 | Bogus8 | hey, are there any cell phone utilites for linux that back up your data in your phone and such? especially from one manf. to another |
| 22:09.02 | Reiser_X | waiting for many minutes, no help with gnugk |
| 22:09.02 | alskdfj | ok, which is better with 64mb ram: opera or firefox, that'll be my last question ;0 |
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| 22:09.27 | muszek | Bogus8: pen&paper ;) |
| 22:09.40 | rtr- | hi there |
| 22:09.40 | Bogus8 | muszek: hmmm fuck you? ;) |
| 22:09.44 | muszek | :) |
| 22:09.59 | muszek | come on, I came up with a cross-platform solution |
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| 22:10.17 | Bogus8 | muszek: haha... well then you are saying windows is better than linux in that department? ;) |
| 22:10.33 | rtr- | anybody knows a good tool to monitor traffic on a port base? |
| 22:10.40 | muszek | Bogus8, I have no idea, haven't been using Win in 2 years |
| 22:10.52 | Bogus8 | muszek: well there are quite a few apps for windows |
| 22:11.06 | muszek | Bogus8, I don't have a cell phone, either :D |
| 22:11.09 | Bogus8 | I'm just trying to move away from windows and now I need to change my phone out |
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| 22:11.19 | h_a_l | no-one knows about bogus probes for hda? |
| 22:11.28 | Bogus8 | and since nokia isn't producing any descent phones I'm gong ot have to get my first motorola :( |
| 22:11.37 | muszek | Bogus8, use vmware+windows for stuff that you need windows now and then |
| 22:11.42 | Bogus8 | h_a_l: please don't take my name in vain ;) |
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| 22:12.05 | h_a_l | Bogus8: sorry ;) |
| 22:12.11 | Bogus8 | muszek: doubt wine and such would work w/ cell phone cable drivers and such? or would I be mistaken |
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| 22:12.45 | muszek | Bogus8, I don't know |
| 22:13.12 | Kevin` | Bogus8 those drivers are probably just serial devices or something else standard, what does the phone show up as when plugged into linux pc? |
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| 22:13.37 | Kevin` | you could use vmware or qemu with host usb devices, though |
| 22:14.08 | Bogus8 | Kevin`: you are correct usb to serial device for this nokia... I haven't tried yet... was going to find software to harvest phone book and such out first |
| 22:15.06 | bosko | karmatronic : Booted with acpi off no luck :/ |
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| 22:15.30 | MatBoy | has someone mounted his Nokia Phone as USB-drive to his Debian distro ? |
| 22:15.37 | h_a_l | I have |
| 22:15.43 | h_a_l | I have a Nokia E61 |
| 22:15.51 | MatBoy | h_a_l, me too :) |
| 22:15.57 | MatBoy | h_a_l, tell me how :) |
| 22:16.06 | MatBoy | h_a_l, used p3nfs or obex ? |
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| 22:16.15 | magyar | plug the phone to a usb port |
| 22:16.40 | MatBoy | magyar, yes, bit I dopn't see anything in the messages |
| 22:16.49 | ofer0 | MatBoy, check dmesg |
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| 22:17.07 | MatBoy | ofer0, nothing there too |
| 22:17.16 | h_a_l | MatBoy: you have to actually tell the phone to go into mass-storage mode |
| 22:17.26 | MatBoy | h_a_l, done that too |
| 22:17.27 | magyar | i have the same issue with a blackberry device |
| 22:17.47 | bosko | karmatronic : I have an entry in my iwconfig labelled "wifi0" and this seems to be what is trying to get DHCP, but its marked as "no wireless extensions." any ideas? |
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| 22:17.51 | magyar | the bitches |
| 22:17.53 | MatBoy | and because PC Suite sucks already... :) but I can connect on a windows PC |
| 22:18.15 | MatBoy | h_a_l, where do you see that it's available ? |
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| 22:18.27 | h_a_l | wow |
| 22:18.33 | h_a_l | gnome just automounted it for me |
| 22:18.43 | MatBoy | h_a_l, mhh, it should indeed |
| 22:18.50 | h_a_l | or at least, presented a shiny graphical window to me with the contents of my phone |
| 22:18.53 | MatBoy | let me remove the USB-hub |
| 22:18.56 | RichiH | h_a_l: gnome and kde do that in their newest versions, yes |
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| 22:19.14 | h_a_l | zounds. How the world progresses when I'm not looking |
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| 22:19.18 | lostson | how well does debian handle cameras and is fspot available in etch ? |
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| 22:19.37 | RichiH | h_a_l: wait until dbus really flies and gnome converts to it, too. then wait until some cli apps do, as well |
| 22:19.43 | h_a_l | so yeah, MatBoy, I just put it in "data transfer mode" and Robert becomes my mother's brother. |
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| 22:20.06 | RickyRayy | can anyone help me with my emerge kde-meta error? here is my log file , http://rafb.net/p/HZmAHI52.html |
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| 22:21.23 | aventis | hello |
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| 22:21.38 | MatBoy | h_a_l, nothing |
| 22:21.52 | aventis | i have one question regarding downloading debian |
| 22:22.07 | h_a_l | MatBoy: I am using a USB2 PCI card I got a while ago |
| 22:22.16 | h_a_l | could it be USB1 vs USB2? |
| 22:22.35 | MatBoy | h_a_l, it was working perfectly on USB1.1 |
| 22:22.54 | h_a_l | could it be that you fried it with static? What changed to make it stop working? |
| 22:22.59 | aventis | as jigdo is used to download ( and later update a debian iso ) can i do the same through torrent file? |
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| 22:23.48 | Blastur | anyone know what the difference between the mips and the mipsel arch is? |
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| 22:24.03 | MatBoy | h_a_l, strage thing is that my card in a cardreader works OK |
| 22:24.06 | aventis | i.e update iso to the next available weekly iso file ? |
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| 22:24.52 | aventis | can somebody please guide me regarding this matter? |
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| 22:25.43 | MatBoy | h_a_l, strange |
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| 22:25.48 | fasta | How can I disable Google suggest in Iceweasel? |
| 22:25.55 | fasta | The upgrade was a mess, btw. |
| 22:26.04 | fasta | All settings gone... |
| 22:26.23 | sarefo | hi, can anybody give me a hint how to get the sun-java sdk to run? i removed gcj-4.1-base, and ran the sun .bin file, but have no java now. it seems i need the sun java for the wikipedia commonist, that's why de-installed the gnu version. man, i hate java... |
| 22:26.31 | fasta | I was saved somewhat because it takes backups of the bookmarks, though. |
| 22:26.41 | sarefo | honestly, i almost never got it to run properly. |
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| 22:29.06 | BarryAllen | hi all, debian sarge (2.6.8) contain patch-o-matic into iptables? |
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| 22:29.22 | sarefo | wlfshmn: i run apt-get update regularly, i don't suppose the fitting sun sdk was added yesterday ;) (and, just to be sure, i ran it right now) |
| 22:29.29 | rahul | BarryAllen: it's 2.6. why do you need that? |
| 22:29.38 | rahul | BarryAllen: the kernel has iptables. |
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| 22:33.13 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
| 22:35.34 | BarryAllen | rahul... why i need patch-o-matic? ... the awnser is pptp nat |
| 22:36.26 | rahul | why wouldn't it work over pptp? |
| 22:36.46 | rahul | or are you trying to pptp through the nat? |
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| 22:36.57 | Keith_S | Guys any one use shorewall ? |
| 22:37.09 | BarryAllen | rahul i have to use pptp over an debian firewall (iptables).... |
| 22:37.10 | sarefo | can i access a log of which packages have recently been removed somewhere? |
| 22:37.25 | BarryAllen | rahul forget about... the default kernel have ip_nat_pptp |
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| 22:37.33 | Harley^ | I have Debian Etch AMD64 installed. I want to install avidemux Its available from deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia testing main However, it is NON-AUTHENITCATED If install avidemux from this server, will my system still pass the integrity check if I recomment out deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia testing main server and recheck with the regular servers in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 22:37.36 | BarryAllen | i found it now |
| 22:37.39 | rahul | BarryAllen: most of it has been integrated |
| 22:37.45 | sarefo | i removed gcj-4.1-base, and it took a couple of packages with it. now when i re-installed this package, java won't run any more. |
| 22:38.17 | BarryAllen | rahul yeap... i have looked out, and found ip_nat_pptp, tks :) |
| 22:38.38 | rahul | Harley^: /msg dpkg no public key usually that technique works, but I've seen it fail... |
| 22:39.00 | MarcoPau | how do I add a printer having its ppd file in cups? when it asks for device I don't really know which one to choose, none of them seems to be ok according to my printer |
| 22:39.24 | Harley^ | rahul: Thanks :) |
| 22:39.25 | rahul | MarcoPau: maybe there's no driver for linux |
| 22:39.46 | karsten | !tell P_Kable about autoaway |
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| 22:40.04 | MarcoPau | rahul: well, actually there is, I have that ppd which is for linux |
| 22:40.10 | karsten | MarcoPau: What printer? Generally: manufacturer => Model. |
| 22:40.12 | stoned | lastlog -hilight |
| 22:40.16 | stoned | oop |
| 22:40.28 | rahul | stoned -high |
| 22:40.34 | stoned | heh |
| 22:40.41 | stoned | rahul: hey dude I lost my patience last night, I apologize |
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| 22:40.45 | stoned | I wasn't trying to be a dick to ya |
| 22:40.51 | rahul | eh, I was wasted |
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| 22:40.52 | MarcoPau | karsten: Samsung scx 4200... the drivers have some sort of bug, but I found a guide which should solve the problem. I did the whole thing but I can't get the the device in cups |
| 22:40.55 | karsten | MarcoPau: .... most mfg's produce models in various lines, for which a lower-rated model will work. Other times they OEM something (eg: Toshiba printers may be OEM'd Lexmarks.). |
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| 22:41.00 | rahul | dunno if I did something out of line |
| 22:41.14 | stoned | its all good |
| 22:41.18 | rahul | cool :) |
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| 22:41.35 | Supaplex | rahul: i think we will get over the self portriat ascii pr0n |
| 22:41.37 | rahul | stoned: that chick from me talk pretty has 2 stalkers from philly now |
| 22:41.42 | rahul | haha |
| 22:41.54 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 22:41.58 | rahul | what, you don't like my hot ass? |
| 22:42.07 | MarcoPau | karsten: so the printer now is "recognized" but the device is not correct (file:/dev/null) |
| 22:42.12 | stoned | uh |
| 22:42.17 | zorglu_ | q. i have just been told that 'creative common' licenses are not 'debian free'... i dunno what 'debian free' may mean, why should i look to get an answer to this ? |
| 22:42.35 | stoned | rahul: my woman is the hottest on this planet |
| 22:42.42 | rahul | which planet is that? |
| 22:42.46 | stoned | Earth |
| 22:42.49 | Supaplex | hahhaa |
| 22:42.52 | stoned | her beauty dims the light of the Sun |
| 22:42.54 | rahul | you're an okie, aren't you? |
| 22:42.59 | stoned | umm.. no |
| 22:43.02 | karsten | MarcoPau: Looks like you should just specify the ppd file on the Make/Manufacture CUPS configure page. (localhost:631) |
| 22:43.06 | MarcoPau | karsten: if I try adding the printer from scratch, the devices list won't include anything useful for me. as it is now, cups says the printer is not connected, when I start printing |
| 22:43.07 | stoned | I'm a paki/indian/scottish/arab mixture |
| 22:43.08 | karsten | MarcoPau: Hrm. |
| 22:43.09 | rahul | wtf. |
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| 22:43.18 | rahul | stoned: no where you are, not where you're from |
| 22:43.19 | karsten | stoned: Mutt. |
| 22:43.22 | stoned | I know |
| 22:43.23 | stoned | mutt! |
| 22:43.25 | MarcoPau | karsten: exactly, where's that precisely? |
| 22:43.25 | karsten | rahul: OK |
| 22:43.27 | stoned | mudblood! |
| 22:43.28 | stoned | hehehe |
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| 22:43.37 | stoned | Harry pothead and the sorcerer's stoned! |
| 22:43.38 | stoned | haha |
| 22:43.43 | rahul | heh |
| 22:43.50 | MarcoPau | karsten: administration -> manage printers or what? |
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| 22:43.55 | karsten | MarcoPau: http://localhost:631 => Add printer => Description => Make/Manufacture (bottom of page). |
| 22:44.03 | karsten | MarcoPau: Add printer should be your first step. |
| 22:44.04 | stoned | !cups setup |
| 22:44.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
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| 22:44.22 | rahul | OK is another planet, it's a satellite of TX |
| 22:44.24 | hensch | hy. whats the most used xirc tool for linux? |
| 22:44.33 | rahul | xirc? |
| 22:44.35 | stoned | xirc? |
| 22:44.39 | stoned | like Xwindows IRC client |
| 22:44.39 | Supaplex | !tell hensch -about search |
| 22:44.41 | stoned | Xchat |
| 22:44.52 | stoned | by far the most superior in GUI's |
| 22:44.55 | karsten | stoned: You're in TX now? |
| 22:44.56 | stoned | I still use irssi in console |
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| 22:44.59 | Supaplex | irssi+screen+xterm |
| 22:45.10 | stoned | karsten: I will be driving to Houston with a U-Haul next week |
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| 22:45.16 | karsten | rxvt => ssh => screen => irssi |
| 22:45.17 | versuchsanstalt | sakul? |
| 22:45.18 | stoned | 10th is my last day to move out of these apartments |
| 22:45.19 | karsten | stoned: Dig. |
| 22:45.20 | stoned | and into a house |
| 22:45.20 | MarcoPau | karsten: exactly, as I say add new printer I get this page with 1) name 2) location 3) description |
| 22:45.22 | rahul | stoned: don't breathe in too much |
| 22:45.26 | stoned | where I can actually enjoy a good night's sleep |
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| 22:45.34 | karsten | MarcoPau: Enter in values. next screen's the one you want. |
| 22:45.37 | stoned | kids/animals, cars, this apartment complex is horrible |
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| 22:45.47 | h_a_l | okay, if no one knows how to make debian not probe for hda on boot, I'm out of here. Take it easy, y'all |
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| 22:45.48 | stoned | I have not enjoyed a good sleep in almost a year |
| 22:45.53 | h_a_l | good luck with the phone, MatBoy |
| 22:45.59 | rahul | that's because you have a hot woman next to you |
| 22:46.05 | stoned | h_a_l: kernel boot parameters |
| 22:46.05 | rahul | heh |
| 22:46.17 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 22:46.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:46.18 | stoned | h_a_l: the list should be o us.debian.org/doc |
| 22:46.19 | stoned | somewhere |
| 22:46.23 | amphi | heh |
| 22:46.23 | MarcoPau | karsten: right, but as I said there's just a short list with nothing that matches my printer |
| 22:46.40 | karsten | MarcoPau: Bottom of that page, specify the PPD. |
| 22:46.49 | karsten | MarcoPau: Skip the other bit. |
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| 22:46.58 | Allaun | hello |
| 22:47.02 | MarcoPau | karsten: I don't have anything like that |
| 22:47.38 | karsten | MarcoPau: what release of debian / version of cups? |
| 22:48.00 | MarcoPau | karsten: hold on probably this is it (I chose LPT #1) |
| 22:48.04 | karsten | dpkg -l cupsys: cupsys 1.2.4-2+b1 |
| 22:48.05 | dpkg | ii cupsys: cupsys 1.2.4-2+b1 2.9-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:48.15 | karsten | dpkg: Stupid bot |
| 22:48.15 | dpkg | no, stupid karsten |
| 22:48.24 | Supaplex | haha |
| 22:48.28 | stoned | I need to read from /dev/sda2 (ntfs drive) possibly write. I've looked at a few of the writesupporting ntfs drivers... which one would you guys recommend, if you recommend one that is. |
| 22:48.38 | stoned | I wouldn't but I kinda think I need ntfs write support |
| 22:48.42 | Allaun | I've googled information on getting a paride cd drive working but i need it to boot the debian cd, is there default support for that configuration? |
| 22:48.59 | Supaplex | stoned: I hear good reviews from ntfs-3g |
| 22:49.01 | Allaun | ie, boot floppy then paride drive |
| 22:49.10 | stoned | hmm |
| 22:49.15 | stoned | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:49.15 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is available in Debian testing/unstable, a new, beta quality fuse-based driver for NTFS with decent write support, currently works on i386 and possibly amd64. See http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html , ask me about <ntfs> and/or (which appears deprecated) <captiventfs> |
| 22:49.26 | MarcoPau | karsten: lpt 1 was no good, cause the printer is usb connected |
| 22:49.43 | h_a_l | stoned: apparently "hdb=noprobe" is what I want. Thanks for the pointer! :) |
| 22:50.03 | h_a_l | sigh...s/hdb/hda/ |
| 22:50.15 | Supaplex | h_a_l: good luck =) |
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| 22:50.34 | Supaplex | Allaun: does the floppy prompt for drivers? |
| 22:50.39 | stoned | hey |
| 22:50.40 | stoned | wtf |
| 22:50.47 | MarcoPau | karsten: what if I try setting the device manually? how should it look like for a usb printer? |
| 22:50.49 | stoned | did you just have dpkg tell me about selftell |
| 22:50.50 | Supaplex | Allaun: #debian-boot might have some answers to |
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| 22:50.51 | stoned | whats wrong with you |
| 22:51.00 | Allaun | yes, it asks for the net drivers otherwise no |
| 22:51.03 | karsten | MarcoPau: NFC. Printing's still a black art to me. |
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| 22:51.04 | Allaun | i'll try there |
| 22:51.07 | Supaplex | stoned: you can just /msg the bot you know :) |
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| 22:51.20 | stoned | yeh |
| 22:51.21 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 22:51.22 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 22:51.30 | stoned | look who did the wiki page |
| 22:51.39 | stoned | I don't need to told that man, c'mon |
| 22:51.41 | stoned | bleh! |
| 22:51.49 | Supaplex | stoned: then msg the bot? |
| 22:51.53 | Allaun | basicly i'm trying to get debian on to a VERY old laptop |
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| 22:51.58 | stoned | c'mon I slipped once |
| 22:52.05 | Allaun | i'm doing a net install right now, but i'm not sure if it will work |
| 22:52.11 | Allaun | and if not, i'm going to try the cd install |
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| 22:53.31 | Supaplex | stoned: In the intrest of not starting a fewd - no contest. |
| 22:53.41 | Supaplex | no worries mate. =) |
| 22:53.50 | stoned | yeh I'm just saying I don't need .. alright |
| 22:54.02 | stoned | Hakuna Matata |
| 22:54.16 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 22:54.22 | stoned | :) |
| 22:54.25 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 22:54.26 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 22:54.50 | stoned | dpkg remove penixstrike |
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| 22:55.47 | rahul | hmm |
| 22:55.50 | rahul | I'm hungry |
| 22:55.55 | rahul | I should eat at the bar. |
| 22:56.03 | stoned | Supaplex: I need to copy over about 200GB of data from my ntfs disk.. how are all these ntfs read methods? Which seems to be the fastest, if you know |
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| 22:56.56 | stoned | what about the one that uses ntfs.sys (through wine) so its all according to ms specs, should cause a problem with ntfs write |
| 22:57.05 | stoned | but whats the speed on that wine/captive ting |
| 22:57.05 | HornyPony | how can i change sata_via driver to libata? |
| 22:57.09 | stoned | I can't find benchmarks anywhere |
| 22:57.09 | SLi | Hi. How does the experimental buildd system work, is there an experimental buildd for amd64? Can't seem to find one (not listed in buildd.debian.net), yet there's a lot of amd64 packages in experimental. |
| 22:57.15 | HornyPony | wanna disable the sata driver and use the generic ide |
| 22:57.17 | stoned | or I guess I'm not looking for the correct keywords on gogole |
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| 22:57.52 | stoned | HornyPony: lol |
| 22:57.56 | SLi | Umm, I mean experimental.debian.net. |
| 22:57.59 | jelly-home | stoned: captive-ntfs, it was really slow back when it worked |
| 22:58.00 | Supaplex | stoned: not sure about speed, but even the kernel ntfs support reads just fine AFAIK |
| 22:58.08 | HornyPony | stoned : sata_via freezes :( |
| 22:58.29 | stoned | hmm I dunno I'm struggling with some drivers meself |
| 22:58.42 | HornyPony | where does it specify what drivers to load? |
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| 22:58.56 | HornyPony | e.g where does command lsmod get its info? |
| 22:59.05 | Supaplex | !tell HornyPony -about blacklist |
| 22:59.18 | SLi | /proc/modules |
| 22:59.27 | HornyPony | i do not use automounting |
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| 22:59.29 | libben | anyone wanna hook me up with sources.list file for nonfree etc etc |
| 22:59.42 | HornyPony | thank you SLi |
| 22:59.42 | stoned | libben: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 23:01.41 | stoned | !ping |
| 23:01.42 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:01.48 | stoned | hmm. I thought I was laggging |
| 23:01.59 | HornyPony | ohwell |
| 23:02.01 | HornyPony | i give up |
| 23:02.02 | jelly-home | !ding |
| 23:02.03 | dpkg | [ding] a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 23:02.05 | HornyPony | i install windows |
| 23:02.18 | HornyPony | via vt8237 aint simply working |
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| 23:02.35 | HornyPony | libata doesnt recognise it at all |
| 23:02.35 | Supaplex | HornyPony: pester via to :) |
| 23:02.58 | HornyPony | well the forum is full with infos about weird freezes and lockups |
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| 23:03.18 | Reiser_X | stoned: i need help with gnugk |
| 23:03.22 | Reiser_X | the manual is no clear |
| 23:03.35 | stoned | duno what that is |
| 23:03.43 | Supaplex | neculear? ;) |
| 23:03.44 | Reiser_X | H323 |
| 23:03.46 | jelly-home | I wonder if there would be use for a ndiswrapper-like wrapper for ATA |
| 23:03.53 | stoned | I was playing international Ping pong in Ding Dang |
| 23:03.56 | stoned | hahaha |
| 23:04.03 | stoned | thats awesome.. Beerfest was awesome |
| 23:04.10 | Kevin` | jelly-home doubt it. 99.99% if devices are supported natively |
| 23:04.13 | Supaplex | jelly-home: oh please, shoot us now?! |
| 23:04.36 | jelly-home | Supaplex: dude, use windows drivers, they work ;-) |
| 23:04.51 | Supaplex | troll :P |
| 23:04.59 | Kevin` | linux drivers are on average higher quality then the windows counterparts |
| 23:05.14 | Supaplex | when we know how they work, yea |
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| 23:05.20 | HornyPony | hmm |
| 23:05.30 | HornyPony | what name does the linux generic ide driver carry`? |
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| 23:05.53 | HornyPony | ill switch from sata to achi mode |
| 23:06.01 | HornyPony | libata is nonworking |
| 23:06.11 | jelly-home | ahci might work, ya |
| 23:06.15 | HornyPony | and i have no idea how to compile sata_ahci |
| 23:06.26 | HornyPony | 2.6.18 supposedly works |
| 23:06.32 | HornyPony | i have 2.6.17 |
| 23:06.35 | HornyPony | kernel version |
| 23:06.54 | sivik | HornyPony, wtf is achi mode? |
| 23:07.10 | stoned | gogole ahsi |
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| 23:07.22 | sivik | i though it was ohci |
| 23:07.27 | HornyPony | The Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) specification describes the register-level interface for a Host Controller for Serial ATA 1.0a and Serial ATA II. |
| 23:07.28 | stoned | er. yeh |
| 23:07.30 | stoned | same sound |
| 23:07.34 | stoned | phoically |
| 23:07.37 | stoned | phonically* |
| 23:07.40 | jelly-home | stoned: that's two typos in two words, going for a record eh |
| 23:07.40 | stoned | I meant ahci |
| 23:07.42 | stoned | bugger off |
| 23:07.43 | Zarephath | Is only the first DVD necessary on a PPC install? |
| 23:07.48 | stoned | jelly-home: bugger off mate :) |
| 23:08.03 | stoned | that not a word |
| 23:08.03 | Supaplex | Zarephath: actually, only netinst is neccessary if you have net access. |
| 23:08.05 | stoned | phonically |
| 23:08.08 | stoned | I just make it up |
| 23:08.12 | sivik | HornyPony, cool |
| 23:08.12 | HornyPony | ohwell |
| 23:08.13 | stoned | phonetically? |
| 23:08.16 | stoned | is that a word |
| 23:08.16 | HornyPony | gotta restart |
| 23:08.20 | HornyPony | it froze again |
| 23:08.21 | stoned | fuck it |
| 23:08.29 | jelly-home | best to. |
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| 23:08.34 | Supaplex | Zarephath: or the first cd/dvd. netinst is perferred to keep load on mirrors lower. |
| 23:08.41 | HornyPony | i managed to copy over a little of the backup |
| 23:09.11 | Phil4 | guys, I just added the quota package but how do I enable it on filesystems now? |
| 23:09.22 | Zarephath | Supaplex: I am using jigdo :-) |
| 23:09.28 | Supaplex | HornyPony: 2.6.19.1 has sata_via, which might work. what's the string from lspci? |
| 23:09.38 | sivik | so what is the difference between that and ochi? |
| 23:09.40 | sivik | ohci* |
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| 23:09.47 | Supaplex | Zarephath: you like the hard way eh? :) |
| 23:09.53 | Zarephath | Supaplex: Actually AquaJigdo for Mac.. |
| 23:09.55 | Zarephath | Yes |
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| 23:10.29 | Supaplex | Zarephath: oh, fwiw, I had to use a daily build (for etch) to dualboot. I installed Tiger first IIRC |
| 23:10.29 | HornyPony | Supaplex, hang on |
| 23:10.35 | HornyPony | ill enable sshd for remote administering |
| 23:10.52 | HornyPony | for switching vga |
| 23:10.54 | Zarephath | Supaplex: Ok thanks.. |
| 23:10.56 | Supaplex | I'm not admining it :> |
| 23:11.06 | HornyPony | Supaplex, im going to |
| 23:11.13 | HornyPony | just need to get the display up |
| 23:11.23 | HornyPony | i cant see what lspci outputs |
| 23:11.23 | Ash-Fox | How does one get sed todo a recursive search and replace on all files? |
| 23:11.47 | rahul | stoned: do you do software? |
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| 23:11.58 | stoned | only when it pays |
| 23:12.02 | rahul | heh |
| 23:12.03 | stoned | I do .NET development |
| 23:12.06 | rahul | really |
| 23:12.08 | stoned | last I worked for an oil company |
| 23:12.15 | Keith_S | stoned: hi. |
| 23:12.16 | stoned | Water logging application |
| 23:12.21 | rahul | stoned: I have a job req here for .net devel in houston |
| 23:12.34 | stoned | I got a job here in OKC |
| 23:12.38 | stoned | I don't enjoy it |
| 23:12.45 | stoned | I think I'll be a guitar teacher and luthier |
| 23:12.51 | Keith_S | lol |
| 23:12.54 | stoned | keep computers to fall back on |
| 23:13.01 | Zarephath | stoned: Now that is what I am talking about..heh |
| 23:13.01 | karmatronic | stoned, play guitar ? |
| 23:13.08 | stoned | 21 years |
| 23:13.13 | stoned | non stop everyday |
| 23:13.20 | karmatronic | 13 years for me |
| 23:13.24 | rahul | dunno if that'll pay the bills |
| 23:13.34 | Supaplex | every waking moment, even between keystrokes |
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| 23:13.37 | stoned | rahul: my woman is a med student |
| 23:13.37 | karmatronic | stoned, which style? |
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| 23:13.45 | rahul | heh |
| 23:13.45 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 23:13.49 | stoned | she gonna do her residency soon, and then fellowship/practice |
| 23:13.54 | stoned | I don't have to worry about money! |
| 23:13.55 | rahul | can you say, sugar momma? |
| 23:13.55 | stoned | :) |
| 23:14.04 | Supaplex | heh |
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| 23:14.21 | stoned | karmatronic: music is universal |
| 23:14.25 | stoned | to me there are no styles |
| 23:14.29 | stoned | I have no style is what I mean |
| 23:14.33 | rahul | heh |
| 23:14.36 | karmatronic | stoned, well |
| 23:14.40 | sobersabre | stoned I also like all music |
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| 23:14.42 | rahul | being stoned is his style |
| 23:14.43 | stoned | I play from classical to death metal to blues and jazz fusion |
| 23:14.50 | sobersabre | anything, |
| 23:14.54 | sobersabre | any player |
| 23:14.57 | karmatronic | stoned, knows gipsy jazz ? |
| 23:15.08 | sobersabre | ... as long as it's been composed by J.S.Bach |
| 23:15.09 | Ronin | sobersabre: not exactly making sense |
| 23:15.11 | stoned | karmatronic: not at all |
| 23:15.20 | sobersabre | Ronin ?! |
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| 23:15.23 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:15.27 | sobersabre | what's the problem ? |
| 23:15.29 | karmatronic | stoned, django reinhardt ? |
| 23:15.35 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/song3a.mp3 |
| 23:15.40 | Ash-Fox | find ./ -type f -exec sed -e 's/web_theden_ws/ash-fox\/www.quickfox.net/g' -i {} \; <- heh, this feels already over complicated. |
| 23:15.40 | stoned | here is one of my recent tracks |
| 23:15.43 | stoned | drums/guitar |
| 23:15.47 | Ott0man | hi all |
| 23:15.50 | stoned | very progressive technical metal riffing |
| 23:15.52 | stoned | check it out |
| 23:15.56 | stoned | in the meantime |
| 23:16.04 | stoned | I'm gonna get ntfs to work here |
| 23:16.07 | rahul | stoned: well if you know/meet any other .net devels in houston, let me know |
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| 23:16.16 | stoned | rahul: will do |
| 23:16.25 | stoned | rahul: out of curiousity, how much is the pay? |
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| 23:16.46 | rahul | stoned: $50k for no experience, goes up from there |
| 23:16.47 | Supaplex | $2 a week |
| 23:16.56 | stoned | bah |
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| 23:16.58 | rahul | full benefits and all |
| 23:17.00 | sobersabre | guys, Is etch getting any closer to a release ? |
| 23:17.03 | stoned | thats nothing |
| 23:17.03 | sivik | rahul: where is that? |
| 23:17.05 | rahul | well, that's for straight out of college |
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| 23:17.07 | rahul | sivik: houston |
| 23:17.07 | Supaplex | sobersabre: topic |
| 23:17.14 | stoned | not enough money for that bullshit |
| 23:17.20 | rahul | stoned: true dat |
| 23:17.27 | sivik | rahul: oh really? what kind of stuff? unix/linux admin? |
| 23:17.31 | rahul | sivik: .net devel |
| 23:17.37 | stoned | I can go to FAA and start making 90K doing the same thing |
| 23:17.38 | sivik | rahul: to hell with that |
| 23:17.40 | rahul | heh |
| 23:17.46 | stoned | They've had two recruiters talk to me already |
| 23:17.47 | sivik | rahul: i was kinda hoping you were talking about networking or somethingt |
| 23:17.50 | stoned | Federal Aviation Ascociation |
| 23:17.57 | stoned | I can't stop smoking pot |
| 23:17.58 | rahul | yeah, but that requires good programmers :P |
| 23:18.00 | stoned | so fuck the big brother |
| 23:18.01 | rahul | haha |
| 23:18.15 | rahul | see, good programmers get 80-150k |
| 23:18.19 | karmatronic | stoned, you ve got a funny style , kind of rob johnson , |
| 23:18.20 | sivik | rahul: do you live in houston? |
| 23:18.25 | rahul | sivik: no, went to rice |
| 23:18.31 | sivik | rahul: ah |
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| 23:18.37 | stoned | karmatronic: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/sad.mp3 |
| 23:18.42 | rahul | sivik: a classmate forwarded a req |
| 23:18.45 | karmatronic | stoned, should listen ron thal ! |
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| 23:18.48 | stoned | karmatronic: thats a classical piece, completely diff. sound |
| 23:18.52 | stoned | karmatronic: what about this |
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| 23:18.59 | sivik | rahul: i'm will be looking for a networking job within the next year |
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| 23:19.24 | karmatronic | the first one was cool , just missing one good solo |
| 23:19.31 | sivik | rahul: lucky |
| 23:19.47 | karmatronic | stoned, how do you do the rythm parts, hydrogen ? |
| 23:19.51 | stoned | karmatronic: its a sample, see all those riffs need 2-4 bars, right now they've only all got 1 bar |
| 23:19.56 | stoned | yes |
| 23:19.59 | stoned | hydrogen |
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| 23:20.04 | sivik | rahul: i would like to make at least 40k with a networking & communications management degree |
| 23:20.09 | rahul | heh, 1 bar riff |
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| 23:20.24 | stoned | karmatronic: might have to listen to it a few times.. highly progressive |
| 23:20.25 | simpletronxp | holas |
| 23:20.26 | rahul | sivik: yeah, I have a friend who has a degree in network admin |
| 23:20.27 | karmatronic | stoned, hydrogen s cool , but its hard to get good samples for groovy music |
| 23:20.28 | stoned | and lots of changes |
| 23:20.31 | sivik | rahul: cool |
| 23:20.38 | stoned | karmatronic: my samples aren't bad |
| 23:20.40 | rahul | she's not having fun finding good jobs :\ |
| 23:20.41 | sivik | rahul: does he have a job and making nice cash |
| 23:20.43 | stoned | took me like 15 minutes to make |
| 23:20.48 | stoned | you just have to know drums/timing |
| 23:20.54 | stoned | plus |
| 23:20.59 | stoned | two guitar tracks in song3a |
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| 23:21.03 | stoned | kinda hard to hear |
| 23:21.06 | stoned | recording blows! |
| 23:21.14 | sivik | rahul: i would like to do unix/linux admin |
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| 23:21.24 | HornyPony | Supaplex |
| 23:21.26 | rahul | hmm, my client might be hiring |
| 23:21.28 | stoned | same site, but song.mp3 and song2.mp3 were added together to created song3a.mp3 |
| 23:21.30 | HornyPony | lspci shows |
| 23:21.32 | stoned | check em too if you want |
| 23:21.34 | sivik | rahul: where is your client, i live in dfw |
| 23:21.37 | jelly-home | stoned: stereo separation on that track is funny |
| 23:21.39 | sivik | rahul: i would like to stay |
| 23:21.40 | rahul | sivik: boston, heh |
| 23:21.43 | HornyPony | 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8237 PCI bridge [K8T800/K8T890 South] |
| 23:21.43 | HornyPony | 00:0f.0 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80) |
| 23:21.43 | HornyPony | 00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 23:21.49 | stoned | jelly-home: i know i can't record worth shit |
| 23:21.51 | sivik | !pastebin |
| 23:21.52 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:21.52 | stoned | !paster HornyPony |
| 23:21.53 | dpkg | HornyPony: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:22.04 | sivik | rahul: too cold |
| 23:22.15 | stoned | karmatronic: you hear sad.mp3 yet |
| 23:22.15 | karmatronic | stoned, the second s cool too, phrygian mode |
| 23:22.21 | rahul | sivik: they do have a position open for a network engineer, tho |
| 23:22.21 | stoned | karmatronic: not at all! |
| 23:22.32 | sivik | rahul: i'm not out of school yet |
| 23:22.33 | karmatronic | come on ! |
| 23:22.34 | sivik | i have 3 semisters left |
| 23:22.38 | rahul | sivik: stuff like T1, T3, VPN, linux, etc |
| 23:22.40 | stoned | karmatronic: double harmonic majors, chromatic phrygian dominants, kinda |
| 23:22.40 | rahul | ah |
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| 23:22.53 | sivik | rahul: its not t1 and t3, its ds-1 and ds-3 |
| 23:22.59 | rahul | yeah yeah |
| 23:23.00 | stoned | karmatronic: there is a lot of minor 2nd tonality used within classical indian raage, so it might give the feel of a phrygian sound |
| 23:23.06 | stoned | but its not purely phrygian |
| 23:23.07 | karmatronic | stoned, it s cool but too much alternate picking |
| 23:23.08 | HornyPony | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5269 |
| 23:23.08 | rahul | they said t1 and t3 on te req :P |
| 23:23.20 | stoned | karmatronic: there are insane sweeps there too man |
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| 23:23.40 | sivik | rahul: but all t1 and t3 are, are the copper media that the signal travels over |
| 23:23.45 | rahul | yeah, I know :) |
| 23:23.51 | sobersabre | HornyPony ... what is the question ? |
| 23:23.57 | karmatronic | stoned, just that i missed legato parts :) |
| 23:23.59 | rahul | sivik: we're talking about HR people here :P |
| 23:24.06 | sivik | rahul: yeah, thats true |
| 23:24.10 | stoned | karmatronic: I don't do a lot of those |
| 23:24.15 | HornyPony | how can i get the generic ide driver working? |
| 23:24.16 | karmatronic | stoned, i love it |
| 23:24.18 | stoned | karmatronic: ala Batio |
| 23:24.21 | HornyPony | and disable sata_via |
| 23:24.22 | rahul | aynway gotta run and be there for the ladies |
| 23:24.22 | stoned | I pick every note unless I need a smoother line |
| 23:25.04 | karmatronic | stoned, and you only do alternate picking ,do you ? |
| 23:25.04 | HornyPony | oh and sound is also dead on that via board |
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| 23:25.25 | stoned | karmatronic: alternate, alternative, economy, circular, sweep |
| 23:25.36 | stoned | karmatronic: my technique is not the limiting factor |
| 23:25.43 | stoned | its not having enough fingers |
| 23:25.46 | stoned | 4 is NOT enough |
| 23:25.46 | stoned | :( |
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| 23:26.18 | karmatronic | stoned, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmLzC7Qxgow |
| 23:26.26 | stoned | no youtube here |
| 23:26.27 | stoned | no flash |
| 23:26.31 | sobersabre | stoned what equip. do you use for recording... sound is awfull |
| 23:26.32 | karmatronic | stoned, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEr0juPURAg |
| 23:26.36 | stoned | i just installed this box |
| 23:26.38 | karmatronic | stoned, for the singing :) |
| 23:26.39 | stoned | i have not yet setup |
| 23:26.50 | stoned | sobersabre: a few people are trying to help me |
| 23:26.55 | hensch | hi. how can i use firefox as xchat default browser? |
| 23:26.58 | stoned | I got ##recording started for audio/video recording help |
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| 23:27.19 | stoned | few people who have studios and stuff come there and try to help me out sometime |
| 23:27.29 | stoned | I need a di box and a better sound card |
| 23:27.42 | stoned | then my extremely hot input signal will be easy to manage |
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| 23:28.08 | stoned | and I need to sell this piece of shit BOSS ME-50 |
| 23:28.11 | sobersabre | stoned It is a matter of at most 1K$ to have a complete working setup. |
| 23:28.22 | stoned | sobersabre: I know.. soon |
| 23:28.24 | karmatronic | stoned, i use behringer uca202 |
| 23:28.40 | stoned | I'm going to houston |
| 23:28.41 | sobersabre | HornyPony which debian release do you use ? |
| 23:28.46 | karmatronic | stoned, 30$ , works out of the box on linux and sound s quite good |
| 23:28.47 | stoned | most of my friends down there are in bands and record |
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| 23:29.01 | stoned | hell, my best friend rents a room in the Jam base downtown in houston |
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| 23:29.06 | stoned | sound proof rooms in the whole bilding |
| 23:29.10 | stoned | bands rent em for jamming |
| 23:29.12 | sobersabre | karmatronic who's that french guy singing ? |
| 23:29.15 | stoned | hes got a studio setup |
| 23:29.27 | stoned | so just waiting till I move, I'll have professional help soon |
| 23:29.30 | karmatronic | sobersabre, it s me! |
| 23:29.37 | sobersabre | karmatronic is this a mirror or flip image or are you a leftie one |
| 23:29.37 | sobersabre | ? |
| 23:29.55 | karmatronic | sobersabre, it s a mirror but i m leftie |
| 23:30.07 | sobersabre | and you have a leftie guitar ? :) |
| 23:30.08 | sobersabre | nice |
| 23:30.14 | karmatronic | several ones |
| 23:30.16 | sobersabre | does it cost more ? |
| 23:30.24 | karmatronic | yes , a bit more |
| 23:30.35 | karmatronic | sobersabre, and there are less models |
| 23:30.48 | sobersabre | ok... |
| 23:31.01 | sobersabre | is this a french french or some belgique/canada ? |
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| 23:31.12 | karmatronic | french french |
| 23:31.16 | sobersabre | heh |
| 23:31.23 | sobersabre | if I only could differ :) |
| 23:31.30 | stoned | karmatronic: here is an actual studio recording |
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| 23:31.51 | stoned | my friend gave me two hours and actually stayed and helpme dout |
| 23:31.53 | stoned | free of cost |
| 23:32.01 | sobersabre | stoned what's your stage name ? |
| 23:32.05 | sobersabre | ( do you have one ? ) |
| 23:32.10 | stoned | karmatronic: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/hash.black.dawn.mp3 |
| 23:32.11 | stoned | check it |
| 23:32.12 | karmatronic | i wish i could record my songs :( |
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| 23:32.17 | stoned | I am playing both guitars and drum |
| 23:32.28 | stoned | very clean sound |
| 23:32.33 | stoned | pro studio recording |
| 23:32.38 | stoned | no vocals or anything |
| 23:32.44 | stoned | just a prgressive jam I did |
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| 23:33.33 | stoned | !ping |
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| 23:33.36 | sobersabre | stoned do you have something you're playing without distortion |
| 23:33.37 | sobersabre | ? |
| 23:33.39 | stoned | Lag: 13.73 |
| 23:33.43 | stoned | wth |
| 23:33.48 | stoned | sobersabre: ye |
| 23:34.01 | stoned | sobersabre: its not constructed.. its just jamming.. not a song |
| 23:34.04 | stoned | mesing around |
| 23:34.08 | stoned | you might like the tonalities |
| 23:34.23 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/retarded.mp3 |
| 23:34.31 | stoned | clean tone |
| 23:34.37 | stoned | !ping |
| 23:34.37 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:34.43 | stoned | I'm lagging!!!! |
| 23:34.59 | jelly-home | Lager |
| 23:35.02 | stoned | Lag: 7.90 |
| 23:35.12 | karmatronic | stoned, do you have any jazz fusion recording ? |
| 23:35.21 | stoned | karmatronic: not at all |
| 23:35.27 | stoned | haven't found anyone who wants tojam it out |
| 23:35.36 | karmatronic | stoned, dont like greg howe/richie kotzen ? |
| 23:35.37 | stoned | plus I do mostly classical indian raaga type blues |
| 23:35.43 | stoned | and a lot of Joe pass |
| 23:35.48 | stoned | I'm a Joe Pass lover |
| 23:35.51 | karmatronic | cool |
| 23:36.01 | stoned | I mix that with king and lang |
| 23:36.14 | karmatronic | bb king ? |
| 23:36.17 | stoned | yup |
| 23:36.18 | karmatronic | alvert king ? |
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| 23:36.31 | karmatronic | albert king is cool too |
| 23:36.31 | stoned | and the weird pinch harmonics you hear ala dime bag |
| 23:36.36 | stoned | my shit sound crazy man |
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| 23:36.44 | sobersabre | stoned, I am only listening to the melodic part and how do you keep the harmony... |
| 23:37.04 | stoned | atonal single dissonant melodic lines |
| 23:37.17 | stoned | contrapuntal |
| 23:37.24 | stoned | lot of counterpoint harmony |
| 23:37.35 | stoned | sometimes in dominants sometimes in 2nds or minor 3rds |
| 23:37.44 | Supaplex | HornyPony: sorry, I got sucked up in some code. Do you get any output from lspci -d 1106:0591 -d 1106:3149 -d 1106:3249 ? if not, sata_via won't pickup on your hardware. (atleast on 2.6.19.1) |
| 23:37.45 | stoned | depends on what I feel like |
| 23:38.10 | karmatronic | stoned, you improvise through scales ? |
| 23:38.32 | stoned | karmatronic: mostly rythem, but yes, 75% melody |
| 23:38.44 | karmatronic | stoned, listen django reinhardt |
| 23:38.48 | karmatronic | i mean |
| 23:39.13 | karmatronic | i spent a lot of time learning modes (major and of the harmonic minor ascale ) |
| 23:39.18 | stoned | sobersabre: I was messing out with the knobs in retarded.mp3.. trying to get a good tone, so you hear volume fade in and out at times |
| 23:39.22 | karmatronic | plus pentatonic scales |
| 23:39.31 | stoned | karmatronic: thats not playing modes |
| 23:39.32 | sobersabre | stoned Bach is the king of coounterpoint ... |
| 23:39.39 | stoned | thats just playing the major scale in 7 positions |
| 23:39.41 | stoned | really |
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| 23:39.50 | karmatronic | and then realize good improvisers used a lot of arpeggios as basis of their improvisation styles |
| 23:39.52 | stoned | the western harmonic system knows little ouside dual key system |
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| 23:40.09 | stoned | western harmony is inferior to modal melody |
| 23:40.14 | stoned | west can't play modal |
| 23:40.18 | karmatronic | like django reinhardt , its moslty triads and 7diminshed chords |
| 23:40.21 | stoned | thats their biggest thing the are missing out on |
| 23:40.34 | stoned | I can play modal music on an equaly tempered instrument |
| 23:40.37 | stoned | without a problem |
| 23:40.38 | x_link | Hi |
| 23:40.59 | x_link | If I want to re-install Debian Etch, is it possible to re-install it without loosing any files at all? |
| 23:41.18 | Eclipser | why would you reinstall it |
| 23:41.20 | karmatronic | x_link, if you back up ... |
| 23:41.43 | x_link | Eclipser: Maybe my debian gets messed up... I have re-install a couple of times so far. |
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| 23:41.54 | x_link | karmatronic: You mean burn out all important things on cd? |
| 23:42.01 | stoned | sobersabre: I don't disagree.. however.. he was talking about modes |
| 23:42.02 | x_link | Or how do you mean? |
| 23:42.10 | Eclipser | x_link, unless you screw up your base system somehow there's no real need for it |
| 23:42.20 | stoned | wait im confused |
| 23:42.29 | stoned | amaro is ugly with those blue default icons |
| 23:42.30 | stoned | ugh |
| 23:42.34 | sobersabre | stoned :) |
| 23:42.47 | x_link | Eclipser: But I don't know how to fix some things, and the times I have re-installed is cause I can't connect to irc to ask for help |
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| 23:42.54 | sobersabre | stoned I think he analyzed whatever was at his disposal at his time |
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| 23:43.32 | stoned | in the context of harmony, nothing tops the western dual key system |
| 23:43.50 | sobersabre | I say, if he were alive today, he'd make people faint. |
| 23:43.53 | sobersabre | not only cry |
| 23:43.57 | stoned | however, when it comes to cultural modal music, western harmony can't cut it |
| 23:44.14 | sobersabre | stoned I am not sure I follow your terminology |
| 23:44.20 | sobersabre | what do you mean 'modal' |
| 23:44.21 | sobersabre | ? |
| 23:44.26 | karmatronic | stoned,neither do i |
| 23:44.32 | stoned | playing modally is well extremely open |
| 23:44.38 | stoned | you're not bound to the dual major/minor system |
| 23:44.48 | stoned | intervals are not equally spaced |
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| 23:44.49 | karmatronic | stoned, to me modal means using 7 tons of major scale |
| 23:44.54 | stoned | nope |
| 23:44.56 | sobersabre | do you mean by modes of note placements in time ? |
| 23:44.59 | stoned | thas playing modes of the major scale |
| 23:45.05 | karmatronic | stoned, right |
| 23:45.06 | stoned | thats not playing modally |
| 23:45.10 | karmatronic | stoned, it was an example |
| 23:45.13 | stoned | ahh |
| 23:45.28 | karmatronic | the way i see it |
| 23:45.30 | karmatronic | is |
| 23:45.32 | stoned | sobersabre: i mean constantly changing inteval distances |
| 23:45.36 | stoned | microtones |
| 23:45.38 | sobersabre | ok. |
| 23:45.46 | stoned | 17/21/24/29 tone octaves |
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| 23:45.48 | stoned | not 12 |
| 23:45.58 | karmatronic | you wanna play dorian mode , you have to realize you re playing 2nd tone of major scale |
| 23:46.02 | karmatronic | as a beginning |
| 23:46.13 | karmatronic | until you get familiar with dorian sounding |
| 23:46.27 | karmatronic | and so on for other interesting modes of your scale |
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| 23:46.45 | stoned | dorian gets its sound from a major 6th |
| 23:46.48 | stoned | interval |
| 23:46.50 | karmatronic | (lydian,mixolydian,phrygian,aeolian and dorian) |
| 23:46.54 | stoned | only one interval |
| 23:47.19 | karmatronic | stoned, it s only one approach |
| 23:47.27 | stoned | take the major 6th in a dorian scale, reduce it to a minor 6th and you have aeolian mode |
| 23:47.28 | karmatronic | to see modes by means of intervals |
| 23:47.37 | stoned | karmatronic: if you're gonna learn theory, learn intervals |
| 23:47.47 | stoned | the most important thing, it is what makes up music |
| 23:47.47 | stoned | :) |
| 23:47.58 | anapivirtua | Night all. |
| 23:48.18 | karmatronic | to me it s mostly important when constructing chords |
| 23:48.20 | jelly-home | so how does a non-12 tone octave sound like? |
| 23:48.28 | stoned | hmm |
| 23:48.39 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/raaga.mp3 |
| 23:48.44 | stoned | here is a bit of an example |
| 23:48.53 | stoned | the instrument used is still 12 tone equal tempered |
| 23:48.57 | stoned | but listen to the vocalist |
| 23:49.12 | stoned | the vocalist is hitting notes not possible in western hamrony |
| 23:49.20 | stoned | in the intro |
| 23:49.29 | karmatronic | stoned, anyway we should jam someday |
| 23:49.34 | stoned | you can hear a slight b phrygian tonality that shifts up to a chromatic hypodorian |
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| 23:49.48 | karmatronic | hypodorian ? |
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| 23:50.07 | stoned | umm |
| 23:50.10 | stoned | plagal? |
| 23:50.13 | stoned | i think is another word for it |
| 23:50.26 | stoned | its like 1.5 octaves, scale stars on tonic, but ends on dominant of 2nd octave |
| 23:50.32 | kiba | is it possible to change the color scheme of irssi? |
| 23:50.35 | quintin | I am thinking of building my new server with a read-only flash disk as /, and SATA raid as /home, /var ... is this a good idea do you think? |
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| 23:50.41 | stoned | takes 2 cycles and 4 octaves to finish the line |
| 23:50.56 | stoned | kiba: yes go to irssi.org and downlaod a theme to ~/.irssi/ |
| 23:51.02 | stoned | kiba: then /set theme theme.filename |
| 23:51.09 | sobersabre | quintin ... good, comparing to what ? |
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| 23:51.31 | quintin | sobersabre: I mean just a good idea in general. The goal would be that even if there is HDD failure, the machine will still boot and partially function |
| 23:51.35 | karmatronic | hypodorian=aeolian ? |
| 23:51.45 | stoned | not at all |
| 23:51.53 | sobersabre | quintin and what if there's a flash failure ? |
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| 23:52.08 | karmatronic | wikipedia says so |
| 23:52.15 | stoned | if anything it is 1,2,4,5,7,1,2,(5) |
| 23:52.19 | stoned | compared to the major scale |
| 23:52.48 | stoned | notice it required 1.5 octaves to finish the scale |
| 23:52.48 | stoned | and the scale doesn't finish on the note it started on |
| 23:52.48 | stoned | its weid, but its awesome |
| 23:52.48 | stoned | hypodorian is modal |
| 23:52.48 | stoned | :) |
| 23:53.29 | quintin | sobersabre: Doesn't flash only get stressed whenever writes are happening? |
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| 23:54.03 | kiba | svn: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale |
| 23:54.14 | kiba | what does this mean? |
| 23:54.17 | stoned | karmatronic: lookup 'chromatic hypodorian' |
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| 23:54.21 | stoned | its what I said |
| 23:55.50 | jelly-home | karmatronic: I don't have a real keyboard or any sort of setup for music, just futzing around |
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| 23:55.53 | karmatronic | jelly-home, vkeyboard ? |
| 23:56.03 | jelly-home | karmatronic: zynaddsubfx has a builtin virt.keyboard |
| 23:56.04 | karmatronic | jelly, vkeybd i mean |
| 23:56.29 | karmatronic | anyway , im leaving , see you buddies |
| 23:56.56 | stoned | hey |
| 23:57.01 | stoned | karmatronic: you wanna hear some good shit |
| 23:57.05 | stoned | this is going to blow your mind |
| 23:57.07 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 23:57.18 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/necro.ogg |
| 23:57.22 | stoned | its a big file |
| 23:57.27 | stoned | nothing but pure shred |
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| 23:57.35 | stoned | and im talking melodies that will make you weep |
| 23:57.55 | Guerin | weep from pain |
| 23:58.05 | karmatronic | hey hey , ill post some shred this week to show you my electric style |
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| 23:58.10 | stoned | heh |
| 23:58.44 | karmatronic | stoned, more legato parts , pick but not always |
| 23:58.49 | stoned | guitarwork in necro.ogg is like holy shit! |
| 23:59.01 | stoned | Muhammad Suicmez is a GOD |
| 23:59.07 | karmatronic | stoned, its taking time to download |
| 23:59.09 | stoned | i wish I could play like him |
| 23:59.15 | karmatronic | Muhammad Suicmez? |
| 23:59.31 | stoned | necro.ogg is 100% muhammad |
| 23:59.39 | karmatronic | stoned, best shredder of the word is bireli lagrene :) |
| 23:59.40 | stoned | check him out |
| 23:59.44 | stoned | you'll be like whoah! |
| 23:59.44 | stoned | everything you hear |
| 23:59.44 | stoned | every single instrument |
| 23:59.47 | stoned | is played by him |
| 23:59.50 | stoned | it is a one man show |
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