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| 00:00.05 | azeem | belkin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:00.05 | Eclipser | xserver-xorg is probably what you wnant |
| 00:00.31 | rahul | DaveyB: what's a desktop print? |
| 00:00.50 | blondie | rahul: (remote desktop) print probably. |
| 00:00.52 | robin_sz | rahul, I think he means onto a Windows box that has a shared printer connected locally |
| 00:00.55 | Eclipser | robin_sz, anyway, my goal is to move to uk someday and become a hermit there :) |
| 00:01.06 | blondie | shrug |
| 00:01.08 | robin_sz | Eclipser, wanna swap? |
| 00:01.12 | DaveyB | rahul, I have a Debian box and attached to my Windows XP box is the printer, it's shared and setup but I want to print from my Laptop to my Windows machine. |
| 00:01.17 | Eclipser | robin_sz, sure! :) |
| 00:01.46 | blondie | DaveyB: you probably want to use cups to connect to it |
| 00:01.47 | blondie | !cups |
| 00:01.47 | dpkg | well, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
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| 00:01.50 | rahul | DaveyB: use smbprint with CUPS or some kind of print filter like that |
| 00:02.04 | robin_sz | smbprint was my first idea |
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| 00:02.28 | robin_sz | my second idea was disconnecting the printer from the windows box and sharing it properly from samba :) |
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| 00:02.48 | Guerin | cups doesn't really make loads of toruble any more |
| 00:03.04 | madd_matt | DaveyB, I had to install cups + samba client + drivers for my printer, Then when adding a new printer in CUPS, specify it like smb://user:pass@192.168.1.5/printername and use the correct driver. |
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| 00:04.33 | DaveyB | ahh ok, thankyou all for your help I will look into this |
| 00:04.49 | DaveyB | I can't find smbprint anywhere though :/ |
| 00:05.16 | madd_matt | DaveyB, I always just installed samba-client and it worked |
| 00:05.21 | Plula | Hia, I dont know if it's really the good chan for this question: I'm running an etch with postfix, i receive a lot of messages in answer to messages that come from unknow users forged with my domain name... I dont think original message are coming from my box.. 1) How can I really be sure of that ? 2) What can I do ? :/ |
| 00:06.01 | Plula | Or perhaps , can someone give me some tips to find this information, if it's totally off topic.. |
| 00:06.01 | robin_sz | Plula, this is called "bounce spam" ... they forge the from and it bounces back to you |
| 00:06.03 | DaveyB | madclicker, I don't have that package |
| 00:06.07 | DaveyB | madclicker,- |
| 00:06.12 | DaveyB | madd_matt, sorry |
| 00:06.15 | Plula | Yeah robin_sz.. is there something I can do ? |
| 00:06.45 | robin_sz | Plula, try running some sort of rblsmtpd ... an smtp daemon that checks for blacklisted hosts, that can cut a lto of it out |
| 00:07.14 | madd_matt | DaveyB, samba-common is the debian package. There might be another. If all else fails, just install everything with samba in the name :P |
| 00:07.19 | Plula | thanks robin_sz, checking/googling this keyword to find more |
| 00:07.52 | robin_sz | use thunderbird or icedove (like thunderbird but with a crap logo) to filter what gets through ... also try runnng spamassassin |
| 00:07.52 | DaveyB | madd_matt, I have samba common installed but no smbprint command. |
| 00:08.19 | madd_matt | DaveyB, Have you tried just setting it up in CUPS and seeing if it works? |
| 00:08.43 | robin_sz | Plula, spamassassin is very useful , especially with bayesian filtering activated |
| 00:08.45 | Plula | Wanted to know if my debian box was really the probleme.. or just bounce unluckily this false mails |
| 00:09.00 | robin_sz | 99% likely just bounce mails |
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| 00:09.10 | robin_sz | unless you have doen somethig stupid :) |
| 00:09.27 | robin_sz | like letting a copy of FormMail.pl get on there |
| 00:09.47 | piper69 | uname -m returm i686 but my machine is i368 what shall i do to correct this issue |
| 00:10.03 | madd_matt | piper69, what processor do you have? |
| 00:10.07 | robin_sz | piper69, nothing |
| 00:10.13 | Plula | ^^ mail.log is empty of not allowed inbound/outbound mail ... btw it seems some host now black list my domain.. (a problem for me , using a board with mail registration) |
| 00:10.32 | robin_sz | ahh |
| 00:10.48 | robin_sz | which board? |
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| 00:10.52 | Plula | punbb |
| 00:11.01 | Plula | http://ogsteam.fr |
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| 00:11.24 | piper69 | madd_matt: 386 |
| 00:11.32 | robin_sz | Plula, sorry, not part of debian |
| 00:11.49 | piper69 | madd_matt: or what did you mean ? |
| 00:11.57 | madd_matt | piper69, like, what real processor? |
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| 00:12.02 | madd_matt | An actual 386? |
| 00:12.06 | Plula | ok, perhaps punbb related.. but I should seee this outgoing mail if they was sended from my debian system.. in mail.log, nope ? |
| 00:12.25 | robin_sz | Plula, probably has a mehtod that allows bots to inject mail to send from your host. you are now a spam host and correctly identified in the spam lists as a source of spma, and will remain there until you stop |
| 00:12.35 | robin_sz | maybe |
| 00:12.44 | Plula | ^^ ok checking that... thanks for you help |
| 00:12.50 | robin_sz | is it some sort of shitty PHP thing with its own built in mailer? |
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| 00:12.54 | piper69 | madd_matt: it's a dell P4 , but i really don't know is there is a way i can tell |
| 00:13.01 | Plula | using localhost robin |
| 00:13.08 | Plula | default debian mail |
| 00:13.14 | Plula | but yes "crappy php" ;) |
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| 00:13.42 | madd_matt | piper69, there is nothing wrong :P 686 is a superset over the 386 sub-arch |
| 00:13.46 | robin_sz | heh, it looks like punbb is as insecure as a nuns knickers |
| 00:14.06 | robin_sz | googling for "punbb exploit" finds 60,000 pages |
| 00:14.20 | robin_sz | you probably need to re-install that box |
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| 00:14.40 | piper69 | madd_matt: well i think since it is working fine i should leave it as is, just thought i might be doing something wrong |
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| 00:15.12 | Guerin | robin_sz: haha |
| 00:16.14 | robin_sz | Guerin, dont ya just love it when people install flakey non-debain packages and then get their box owned ? |
| 00:16.43 | kakalto | the amarok binary isn't compiled against the same version of libgpod in debian =/ |
| 00:16.45 | kakalto | in etch |
| 00:16.52 | belkin | what mplayer version should i install mplayer or mplayer-386 or mplayer-586 ? |
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| 00:17.16 | robin_sz | Plula, whats wrong with using phpbb2 from Debian huh? |
| 00:18.02 | h3sp4wn | phpbb has horrible security issues also |
| 00:18.15 | kakalto | ah. |
| 00:18.22 | robin_sz | not as bad as punbb, and at least there is debian security support |
| 00:18.37 | robin_sz | its pretty crap PHP, as usual |
| 00:19.10 | bib | debian's security team is awesome, they always patch everything |
| 00:19.40 | robin_sz | my socks? |
| 00:19.59 | kakalto | If I am currently using a package from one repo (marillat's), but want to switch to debian standard version of that package, how do I go about this? |
| 00:20.10 | piper69 | what command i should use to see what version of debian i have "uname -v" |
| 00:20.25 | avtobiff | uname -a |
| 00:21.51 | avtobiff | oh sorry... |
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| 00:21.51 | avtobiff | it is in the file /etc/debian_version |
| 00:21.51 | jelly-home | kakalto: purge it, remove marillat from sources.list, update, install |
| 00:21.52 | avtobiff | piper69, hence cat /etc/debian_version would work |
| 00:21.52 | snowbird | what is a good sound card? |
| 00:21.52 | avtobiff | now i am off to bed |
| 00:21.52 | bib | ac97? |
| 00:21.52 | avtobiff | snowbird, creative? audigy? |
| 00:21.52 | kakalto | jelly-home: then when I re-add marillat, won't it want to update? |
| 00:21.52 | avtobiff | bed. sleep. night. |
| 00:21.53 | jelly-home | bib: that's just a standard |
| 00:21.53 | snowbird | avtobiff soundblaster life? |
| 00:21.53 | kakalto | jelly-home: otherwise, how could I find a deb-src of amarok, and compile it myself? |
| 00:21.53 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: enything using envy24 or envy24HT has the best sound quality (excluding the really expensive pro cards) |
| 00:21.53 | bib | ac97 is the best in the linux/bsd world up to now |
| 00:21.53 | robin_sz | snowbird, heres the deal ... yo udefine good, we'll think of a soundcard :) |
| 00:22.08 | piper69 | cool that worked |
| 00:22.13 | jelly-home | kakalto: fresh amarok is in testing, isn't it? |
| 00:22.13 | stoned | hi |
| 00:22.17 | bib | I mean... the ac97 codecs |
| 00:22.21 | piper69 | i am out gtg home now |
| 00:22.36 | piper69 | you all be safe. |
| 00:22.45 | h3sp4wn | audigy sucks resamples everything to 48000 in hardware and it sounds crap because of it |
| 00:22.50 | snowbird | does alsa need codecs |
| 00:23.04 | kakalto | jelly-home: my problem is that the amarok in etch repos is compiled against libgpod-0.3.2 or something similar, so when I install libgpod 0.4 from marillat's, it breaks compatibility |
| 00:23.13 | snowbird | il try live my cmedia aint working |
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| 00:23.41 | robin_sz | h3sp4wn, I thouht it could do 44.1 (the amateur standard) too? |
| 00:23.41 | bib | h3sp4wn, can you get the full feature of audigy in linux/bsd? |
| 00:23.53 | jelly-home | kakalto: hmm. |
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| 00:24.46 | kakalto | jelly-home: should I just grab the source from the homepage, compile, make a deb package of it, install? |
| 00:25.22 | kakalto | jelly-home: or use the version of amarok from unstable? |
| 00:25.24 | h3sp4wn | robin_sz: nope - http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php?vendor=vendor-Creative_Labs#matrix - notice the (1) in every column its a hardware limitation |
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| 00:25.26 | bib | snowbird, sound codecs = chips, not mp3 "codecs" |
| 00:25.37 | snowbird | ok bib |
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| 00:25.38 | jelly-home | kakalto: if you want amarok with libgpod 0.4, you'll have to rebuild it, right. Add deb-src lines for etch and marillat, then do apt-get build-dep amarok, then install libgpod-dev from marillats, then rebuild amarok. |
| 00:25.51 | kakalto | ok |
| 00:26.00 | phrosty | is there any way to restore a file to what it originally was from apt, but not the whole package? |
| 00:26.37 | avtobiff | snowbird, well soundblaster *live* is good but really old card |
| 00:26.51 | jelly-home | kakalto: the correct way would be to notify marillat that libgpod 0.4 is not ABI compatible with the version in Debian, maybe he'll rename the binary package |
| 00:26.56 | snowbird | kk old but works is fine |
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| 00:27.12 | mius | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.27 | h3sp4wn | soundblaster live still resamples (and hence sucks) |
| 00:27.30 | phrosty | mius: what? |
| 00:28.09 | h3sp4wn | snowbird: m-audio make good soundcards |
| 00:28.10 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: so why not let alsa resample to 48000, it would probably do a better job? |
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| 00:28.24 | bib | a joke is... we need to bypass an apu |
| 00:28.25 | robin_sz | h3sp4wn, OK, thats fine .. 48k is the pro standard anyway |
| 00:28.42 | bib | totally wasting... |
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| 00:29.06 | bib | so, ac97 is the best I think |
| 00:29.12 | mius | phrosty: its difficult.. easiest way i think is to load the source code, compile it and copy to install directory |
| 00:29.36 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: I don't know - they can sound ok if you are playing music and the samples are at 48000 - looks like it has not been done though |
| 00:29.41 | phrosty | ah |
| 00:29.50 | kakalto | jelly-home: thanks |
| 00:30.03 | jelly-home | kakalto: did it work? :-) |
| 00:30.11 | h3sp4wn | robin_sz: but most things you play are at 44.1k so best to have crystals for all common freqs |
| 00:30.26 | robin_sz | most music is sourced at 48khz anyway ... it only goes to 44.1 for the final stages onto CD |
| 00:30.47 | concept10 | robin_sz, not really |
| 00:30.59 | bib | CD is not good enough for a dog |
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| 00:31.01 | robin_sz | and 44.1 and 48k are both derived from a single crystal in most kit |
| 00:31.18 | robin_sz | concept10, thansk for your opinion |
| 00:31.22 | stoned | hey |
| 00:31.24 | stoned | concept10, ! |
| 00:31.31 | stoned | whats up man |
| 00:31.39 | bib | nothing |
| 00:31.40 | concept10 | stoned, hey.. nothing much |
| 00:31.51 | kakalto | jelly-home: Just contemplating what to do =) |
| 00:31.58 | stoned | concept10, The Mitchell Brothers.. the-streets.co.uk. check em |
| 00:31.58 | belkin | !etch sound |
| 00:32.01 | kakalto | jelly-home: is there a way to mask certain packages from updating? |
| 00:32.05 | belkin | !sound etch |
| 00:32.08 | belkin | ? |
| 00:32.09 | stoned | belkin, need sond |
| 00:32.10 | dondelelcaro | kakalto: put them on hold |
| 00:32.13 | dondelelcaro | !hold |
| 00:32.13 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 00:32.16 | concept10 | I hate recording at 48K |
| 00:32.25 | stoned | belkin, /msg dpkg alsa /msg dpkg dmix |
| 00:32.32 | bib | concept10, why? |
| 00:32.35 | kakalto | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:32.36 | jelly-home | concept10: only 96kHz for you? |
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| 00:32.55 | kakalto | jelly-home: I just figure, easier to put packages on hold, notify marillat, than recompile amarok |
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| 00:33.26 | bib | concept10, can 48k resample break the DRM? |
| 00:33.28 | jelly-home | kakalto: if you don't really need that feature, probably |
| 00:33.30 | kakalto | jelly-home: considering that it's around half an hour for dev packages for amarok, atleast another half hour to compile.. |
| 00:33.36 | concept10 | 44.1 is fine.. I have recorded at every frequency and bit rate and the average ear cant hear the difference until you go below 16 bit |
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| 00:33.58 | kakalto | jelly-home: I can get the feature by installing standard etch version of libgpod, put on hold, then re-add marillat's repos |
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| 00:34.16 | jelly-home | kakalto: yeah |
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| 00:34.45 | mystic_touch | Hello :) |
| 00:34.45 | bib | concept10, ac97 codecs are 24-bit now |
| 00:35.02 | bib | hi |
| 00:35.14 | mystic_touch | Someones know how can i block the "su and sudo" to the others users acounts? |
| 00:35.27 | belkin | stoned i installed alsa-base alsa-util and then alsaconf with succes and no sound |
| 00:35.34 | robin_sz | concept10, in europe most studios run 48khz, because they end up doing TV work. and .eu uses 48khz for TV. |
| 00:35.43 | stoned | belkin, you need to setup your mixer |
| 00:35.51 | stoned | belkin, alsamixer or alsamixergui |
| 00:35.52 | bib | oh |
| 00:35.54 | DaveyB | Bloody thing, got my printer working, networked up and everything FAN-BLOODY TASTIC |
| 00:36.02 | stoned | belkin, volume levels |
| 00:36.25 | zinx | a lot of sound cards only do 48kHz internally now.. some only do 48kHz period (they require software resamplig) |
| 00:36.27 | mystic_touch | belkin yes there have been some sound problems ... you need to check you modes whith "lsmod" and the you need to block the you don`t need it in "/etc/modprobe/blacklist" chack for "snd" |
| 00:36.29 | concept10 | robin_sz, I use 48khz in the studio, but at home I use 44.1, I hate switching sample rates |
| 00:36.30 | belkin | stoned what do i need to press to turn something on ? |
| 00:36.36 | bib | belkin, did you run the alsamixer? |
| 00:36.43 | belkin | running it now |
| 00:37.02 | bib | belkin, what it say? |
| 00:37.06 | stoned | belkin, just run alsamixer and setup your volume levels |
| 00:37.12 | belkin | shows me the sound level |
| 00:37.17 | bib | belkin, off? |
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| 00:37.23 | kakalto | jelly-home: I'm just trying to figure out the advantages of libgpod 0.4 over 0.32 |
| 00:37.25 | robin_sz | concept10, cross-sampling is best avoided |
| 00:37.44 | belkin | bib front not the rest of them yes . what do i need to press to turn on ? |
| 00:37.54 | kakalto | jelly-home: also considering rebuilding amarok, for helix engine support (not in default etch amarok) |
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| 00:38.19 | Exal | hi, anyone can show me a /etc/apt/sources.list please? |
| 00:38.26 | belkin | Failed to start Volume Control: Failed to execute child process "gnome-volume-control" (No such file or directory) |
| 00:38.26 | abrotman | what's wrong with yours ? |
| 00:38.38 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | Exal: what's wrong with your sources.list ? |
| 00:38.50 | jelly-home | kakalto: I'm an amarok user and tried helix-engine once, it wasn't anything much |
| 00:38.51 | bib | belkin, you didn't setup your kernel modules correctly |
| 00:38.57 | Exal | abrotman: I dont have :D |
| 00:39.03 | abrotman | Exal: which version of debian ? |
| 00:39.04 | belkin | bib i didnt do anything to my modules |
| 00:39.13 | Exal | abrotman: 4.0 |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | Exal: where did yours go ? |
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| 00:39.17 | belkin | bib i run alsaconf and did it for me |
| 00:39.30 | bib | belkin, do you have /dev/dsp? |
| 00:39.38 | Exal | abrotman: ? |
| 00:39.38 | belkin | do i need to log out and in again after running alsaconf ? |
| 00:39.45 | concept10 | stoned, any improvements in your recording? |
| 00:39.45 | abrotman | Exal: you should have one .. what did you do with it ? |
| 00:39.56 | jelly-home | kakalto: plays whatever helix-player or realplayer can do... which means it's a bit better with realmedia streams (xine sometimeds goes jittery with those) |
| 00:40.01 | Exal | abrotman: is too short |
| 00:40.08 | Exal | abrotman: only has two lines |
| 00:40.21 | abrotman | Exal: what's wrong with that .. that's all you need |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:40.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:40.27 | bib | belkin, do you have /dev/dsp, /dev/audio... and so on? |
| 00:40.27 | MatBoy | is it possible to use bittorent from the commandline for download ? |
| 00:40.29 | Exal | abrotman: no |
| 00:40.30 | abrotman | Exal: ^^ .. put yours there |
| 00:40.33 | belkin | bib /dev/dsp doesnt exist |
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| 00:40.38 | bib | ... |
| 00:40.55 | stoned | concept10, I have not tried yet. Did you hear retarded.mp3 that was the most clear sound I got. I will try messing with it later. I have a HD audio thingy on my mobo. so it might be better than last time. still realtek codec though |
| 00:40.55 | Exal | abrotman: I only have the security's lines |
| 00:40.58 | Exal | (two) |
| 00:41.03 | abrotman | Exal: paste your sources.list |
| 00:41.04 | bib | belkin, I think... you need a kernel guru |
| 00:41.06 | kakalto | jelly-home: there is no helix-engine in etch |
| 00:41.22 | belkin | bib you must logout and back in |
| 00:41.24 | belkin | brb |
| 00:41.31 | stoned | lol |
| 00:41.32 | bib | hahahahaha |
| 00:41.33 | stoned | wtf |
| 00:41.33 | kakalto | jelly-home there's no actual way to get helix engine in amarok without doing a bit of work yourself |
| 00:41.39 | stoned | lol |
| 00:41.49 | Exal | abrotman: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 00:42.00 | abrotman | Exal: and you have no other lines ? |
| 00:42.01 | kakalto | jelly-home: see, a lot of my mp3s have problems with xine |
| 00:42.02 | jelly-home | kakalto: I know, did a local build of 1.4.2, maybe 1.4.3, not sure |
| 00:42.09 | abrotman | Exal: somehow you screwed it up .. you should have at least two sources |
| 00:42.09 | Exal | abrotman: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 00:42.17 | kakalto | jelly-home: ahk. |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | Exal: what's your geographic location ? |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | !tell Exal about mirrors |
| 00:42.28 | concept10 | stoned, I heard it, it sounds okay, im going to work with it some more later after about an hour of piano practice |
| 00:42.29 | Exal | abrotman: I can't install nothing with this lines |
| 00:42.35 | kakalto | jelly-home: so still weighing up whether to do that |
| 00:42.42 | Exal | abrotman: I'm on Mexico |
| 00:42.51 | Exal | but I prefer the USA mirrors |
| 00:42.56 | bib | odd... is belkin a brand of cheap routers? |
| 00:42.58 | stoned | mm piano |
| 00:43.02 | stoned | I have not played in years |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | deb http://nisamox.fciencias.unam.mx/debian/ etch main |
| 00:43.22 | abrotman | Exal: ^^ |
| 00:43.22 | jelly-home | kakalto: amarok-helix_1.4.2-0jelly1_i386.deb ... packaging stuff was changed in 1.4.3 so I didn't try it after that. |
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| 00:43.54 | Exal | abrotman: which is the command for get this? |
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| 00:44.24 | abrotman | Exal: my brain :) |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 00:44.24 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 00:44.25 | kakalto | jelly-home: how long will you be around this channel? |
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| 00:44.37 | Exal | abrotman: :D |
| 00:44.37 | Exal | thanks |
| 00:44.43 | jelly-home | kakalto: I'll be here tomorrow CET ;-) |
| 00:44.44 | kakalto | lol |
| 00:44.48 | kakalto | CET? |
| 00:44.53 | jelly-home | GMT+1 |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | central euro time |
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| 00:45.05 | bib | oh |
| 00:45.19 | belkin | bib works i just had to reboot, thanks |
| 00:45.20 | kakalto | tomorrow? |
| 00:45.22 | eldowan | stoned: I just picked up a set of 8 cds spanning the last 700 years of classical :D |
| 00:45.26 | kakalto | I thought it already is tomorrow ;-) |
| 00:45.30 | bib | hahaha |
| 00:45.31 | robin_sz | GMT! the one true way! |
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| 00:45.43 | kakalto | hear, hear |
| 00:45.46 | jelly-home | kakalto: seeing as it's 1:45am here and I'm still calling it today |
| 00:46.35 | stoned | eldowan, nice |
| 00:46.35 | mystic_touch | is safe i just make one copy paste from some software file to /opt/ or is saffer use the .deb ... ? and why is need the fakeroot what diference makes? :x |
| 00:46.35 | kakalto | ah, you go by what I call geek time? ;-) |
| 00:46.35 | stoned | eldowan, check out Andres Segovia |
| 00:46.36 | jelly-home | kakalto: exteem geek time |
| 00:46.36 | kakalto | jelly-home: I usually call it today until 6am.... or when the sun risese =) |
| 00:46.43 | bib | it's 0:50 now |
| 00:46.51 | kakalto | bib: you lie! :P |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | internet time! |
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| 00:46.57 | bib | O_o |
| 00:47.08 | kakalto | well, not exactly |
| 00:47.12 | bib | I lie? |
| 00:47.15 | humbolto | what does the boolean flexible do in gdm.conf? |
| 00:47.23 | kakalto | bib: it's 1347 ;-P |
| 00:47.27 | concept10 | stoned, im mad, guys with classical piano training are making hip-hop beats now, and the piano layers are awesome. (Why im practicing) |
| 00:47.28 | bib | ... |
| 00:47.37 | kakalto | bib: don't you love timezones? |
| 00:47.38 | bib | not 1337? |
| 00:47.44 | kakalto | naw |
| 00:47.45 | eldowan | stoned: BTW, no offence meant last-night. |
| 00:47.48 | kakalto | bib: that was 10 minutes ago |
| 00:47.53 | bib | hahaha |
| 00:47.54 | stoned | concept10, immagine classical indian raaga on equal tempered instruments. :) |
| 00:48.05 | stoned | eldowan, what are you on about? |
| 00:48.08 | kakalto | bib: 24hour format isn't supposed to have a : in the mihddle |
| 00:48.08 | belkin | libogg / libvorbis / vorbis-tools not available in etch ? |
| 00:48.15 | kakalto | bib: but if it does, 13:47 |
| 00:48.37 | jelly-home | kakalto: huh, you're exactly 12 hours ahead |
| 00:48.40 | bib | it's cool, 13:37 |
| 00:48.43 | kakalto | jelly-home: so, don't suppose you could give me a quick rundown of how I would compile amarok with helix support? |
| 00:48.47 | kakalto | jelly-home: yep |
| 00:48.49 | eldowan | stoned: hmmm. when you were talking about your success in getting your HDD back after your mobo firmware flash. |
| 00:49.05 | stoned | eldowan, none taken. With a nickname like stoned, its to be expected. However, its an easy way for me to tell between the fair from the ignorant. |
| 00:49.08 | kakalto | jelly-home: NZDT... GMT+13 |
| 00:49.12 | jelly-home | kakalto: in 1.4.2 things were pretty much already set up in the source packages |
| 00:49.31 | eldowan | stoned: I don't understand However....ignorant |
| 00:49.48 | kakalto | jelly-home: I'm just not very familiar with the debian way of compiling stuff |
| 00:49.53 | belkin | how do i get mp3 support in debian for xmms ? |
| 00:49.54 | kakalto | jelly-home: and I'll be doing 1.4.4 |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | belkin: it comes with it |
| 00:50.15 | belkin | abrotman really ? cool then |
| 00:50.15 | jelly-home | kakalto: take a look at /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 00:50.51 | bib | belkin, you need to use your hands... |
| 00:50.51 | kakalto | jelly-home: seems fairly simple =) |
| 00:50.53 | abrotman | Exal: got it working ? |
| 00:50.53 | stoned | eldowan, don't worry about it. Like I said, none taken. |
| 00:50.57 | concept10 | belkin, xmms is deprecated |
| 00:51.04 | Exal | abrotman: so so |
| 00:51.08 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:51.11 | abrotman | concept10: it is not |
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| 00:51.15 | Exal | abrotman: at the first time yes |
| 00:51.18 | kakalto | jelly-home: but.... how do I figure out if that will install helix support? |
| 00:51.21 | jelly-home | kakalto: except your step 3) will be apt-get source package; mess-with-stuff-here; cd amarok-1.4.4; dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us |
| 00:51.23 | bib | concept10, are you sure? |
| 00:51.34 | jelly-home | kakalto: it won't, unless you make it so |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | xmms is not deprecated |
| 00:51.38 | bib | concept10, long live xmms!!! |
| 00:51.41 | kakalto | jelly-home: ahk |
| 00:51.45 | Exal | abrotman: but later show a message that says: not find "x" gpg key IIR |
| 00:51.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: gtk1 is OLD |
| 00:51.51 | Exal | *IIRC |
| 00:51.55 | bib | xmms > xmms2 |
| 00:51.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: so what ?: |
| 00:51.59 | bib | xmms > xmms2 > bmp |
| 00:52.04 | itchi | concept10: It's not because there is xmms2 that the other is out |
| 00:52.05 | concept10 | abrotman, bib : sure it is, goto the site and see for yourself, they hardly do any maintenance |
| 00:52.14 | mystic_touch | i'm sorry the questions but someone know some good unix lecture about security the permitions the groups and what diference make the use of the fakeroot and don`t use the fakeroot :x |
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| 00:52.15 | bib | oh |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | concept10: which makes it deprecated? or working well ? |
| 00:52.21 | Exal | abrotman: I have deleted these mirror and put the USA ftp mirror |
| 00:52.23 | snowbird | whats better than xmms |
| 00:52.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: nothing, that app is still using it. |
| 00:52.31 | bib | vlc? |
| 00:52.34 | h3xis | snowbird, audacious |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's not the only one in etch |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | Exal: oh ok |
| 00:52.40 | concept10 | Exaile |
| 00:52.43 | stoned | Amarok! |
| 00:52.49 | bib | I like vlc |
| 00:52.55 | jelly-home | amarok is bloated |
| 00:53.01 | bib | oh |
| 00:53.01 | stoned | jelly-home, you're bloated |
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| 00:53.06 | Exal | thanks abrotman |
| 00:53.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: i mean .. there are *a lot* |
| 00:53.16 | jelly-home | stoned: not really, but thanks for the concern |
| 00:53.19 | abrotman | $ apt-cache rdepends libgtk1.2 | wc -l |
| 00:53.19 | abrotman | 337 |
| 00:53.24 | bib | does amarok need gnome or kde something? |
| 00:53.24 | stoned | lol |
| 00:53.29 | jelly-home | bib: kde |
| 00:53.30 | stoned | jelly, im just playing dog |
| 00:53.32 | eldowan | bib: I think only the libs |
| 00:53.33 | bib | ... |
| 00:53.35 | concept10 | Serious tip.. If you guys like Amarok, but do not want the bloat (of the app, and KDE libraries) get the python-based app called Exaile |
| 00:53.36 | stoned | jelly-home, * |
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| 00:53.58 | stoned | concept10, I check it it, doesn't belnd well with kde |
| 00:54.07 | stoned | concept10, there is also quod libert |
| 00:54.10 | stoned | libet* |
| 00:54.14 | concept10 | http://www.exaile.org/trac/wiki |
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| 00:54.42 | concept10 | I like quod libet, but exaile has a better interface, imho |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | and some like Muine .. and some like RB |
| 00:55.05 | abrotman | if you want a simple X music player .. xmms/zinf work well |
| 00:55.08 | itchi | concept10: Package it for Debian, then we can discuse again about it ;-) |
| 00:55.31 | jelly-home | concept10: I have a dislike for stuff that's not in the distro yet (read: lazy) |
| 00:55.35 | bib | I don't think a good player really needs gnome or kde |
| 00:55.36 | concept10 | itchi, I just run the trunk |
| 00:55.50 | abrotman | itchi: i think it is |
| 00:56.00 | itchi | concept10: I have the same spirit as jelly-home it's looks |
| 00:56.08 | stoned | concept10, well, if I've got the hardware/resources to run Amarok the bloatware, then I'm happy with it. I don't really feel like messing with new software and setting it up etc. |
| 00:56.08 | abrotman | doh .. maybe not |
| 00:56.09 | itchi | abrotman: It's not in Etch :-s |
| 00:56.12 | stoned | I can't be bothered |
| 00:56.48 | concept10 | just run the trunk .... svn co blah blah |
| 00:56.48 | itchi | hhhm, it's is in unstable it looks :-p |
| 00:56.56 | jelly-home | bib: well, I don't like the dependencies that much and don't use KDE as desktop env., but still use amarok |
| 00:57.19 | concept10 | hah, unstable (by looking at a screenshot) |
| 00:57.37 | belkin | cannot get apt-get install java-package i have debina-multimedia repos in my source any idea ? |
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| 00:57.47 | abrotman | belkin: which version of debian ? |
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| 00:57.50 | belkin | etch |
| 00:57.53 | bib | jello-home, I know, just use its part of organs? |
| 00:57.54 | concept10 | im glad youre not a software manager itchi |
| 00:57.55 | belkin | rc1 |
| 00:58.02 | abrotman | belkin: JRE or JDK ? |
| 00:58.24 | belkin | abrotman u want JRE plugin for firefox |
| 00:58.26 | abrotman | belkin: apt-cache search sun-java5 |
| 00:58.37 | abrotman | i don't want one .. mine works (as much as FF and Java can) |
| 00:58.49 | concept10 | I love python apps, you can mess around with the source and most of the time, it still runs |
| 00:58.52 | bib | do we really need java now? |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:59.05 | bib | oh |
| 00:59.12 | jelly-home | bib: huh? yeah, there's a couple of kde services that get started and stuff. Since I have a decent amount of memory now, I don't care that much |
| 00:59.17 | amphi | bib: more than ever ;) |
| 00:59.23 | belkin | abrotman kg says i should get java-package with apt-get install java-package |
| 00:59.27 | belkin | dpkg |
| 00:59.31 | bib | O_O |
| 00:59.32 | abrotman | belkin: no he didn't |
| 00:59.40 | abrotman | belkin: apt-cache search sun-java5 |
| 00:59.44 | concept10 | You guys never run applications from CVS or SVN? |
| 00:59.52 | belkin | abrotman no output for that |
| 00:59.59 | jelly-home | concept10: the only svn I do is svn commit! |
| 01:00.10 | belkin | abrotman yes he did /msg dpkg java-package |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | belkin: it's in contrib or non-free |
| 01:00.14 | abrotman | !install java |
| 01:00.15 | dpkg | it has been said that install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 01:00.19 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 01:00.28 | concept10 | jelly-home, If you are familiar with SVN, I dont understand why you would wait for a debian package of an app |
| 01:00.29 | belkin | !java-package |
| 01:00.29 | dpkg | well, java-package is a package in contrib that builds a .deb from a manually downloaded Java distribution (JRE or JDK). http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 details how to install Sun's JRE or JDK. To install: apt-get install java-package; get a JRE or JDK from http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (the Linux (self-extracting file) NOT the RPM) ; fakeroot make-jpkg jre-*-linux-i586.bin; dpkg -i *.deb; |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | belkin: yes .. great .. NOT for etch |
| 01:00.49 | belkin | in contrib |
| 01:00.59 | abrotman | that's nice .. i'd use the already packaged one myself .. |
| 01:01.11 | belkin | what can i do ? |
| 01:01.13 | jelly-home | concept10: I hate it installing stuff all over (even if it's all over /usr/local) |
| 01:01.14 | abrotman | i told you! |
| 01:01.25 | abrotman | belkin: get the sun java packages from non-free |
| 01:01.38 | itchi | concept10: Cause of the managing, updates, etc. Do you use svn for all your stuff? Happy update man |
| 01:01.39 | belkin | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/java-package ?? |
| 01:01.57 | concept10 | jelly-home, not SVN stuff.. it checks out to a working directory |
| 01:02.27 | concept10 | itchi, I use SVN for just a couple of things. |
| 01:02.45 | concept10 | I wish someone would solve this packaging stuff |
| 01:03.01 | Guerin | what packaging stuff? |
| 01:03.07 | jelly-home | concept10: eh, most gui apps these days need to install stuff to right places I think. Gone is the day when I could just make; ./foo |
| 01:03.12 | itchi | concept10: Me too, but mostly because i want to see the code, touch it, have the lasted features that another dev implemented. But it's crazy to manage if you have many stuff got of svn |
| 01:03.16 | belkin | abrotman where about is this " non-free " ? |
| 01:03.17 | abrotman | belkin: PAY ATTENTION! |
| 01:03.27 | abrotman | belkin: stop messing with java-package |
| 01:03.31 | belkin | i try to |
| 01:03.37 | abrotman | !tell belkin about non-free |
| 01:03.37 | abrotman | !tell belkin about contrib |
| 01:04.20 | h3sp4wn | or take sun-java6-jdk if you use testing/unstable |
| 01:04.26 | itchi | concept10: At least, exaile is python stuff, so i get it ;-) |
| 01:04.28 | concept10 | I do not care how many foundations, committees are formed. Packaging in Linux will never be solved. |
| 01:05.03 | concept10 | Hell, a standard Linux base will never be solved |
| 01:05.07 | belkin | abrotman thanks |
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| 01:05.20 | bib | SLB? |
| 01:05.24 | bib | who cares? |
| 01:05.26 | abrotman | LSB ? |
| 01:05.30 | bib | oh |
| 01:05.58 | h3sp4wn | I would say it is pretty much solved |
| 01:06.01 | kakalto | jelly-home: when doing ./configure on amarok, what would the prefix be? |
| 01:06.26 | jelly-home | kakakoka: eh, did you get the debian source? |
| 01:06.33 | jelly-home | uh |
| 01:06.38 | jelly-home | kakalto: eh, did you get the debian source? |
| 01:06.45 | bib | kakalto, .configure --help? |
| 01:06.51 | concept10 | bib, Why care? The same reason you wait until packages get into Sid. If there was one _standard_ Linux base, and one standard packaging technique, you wouldnt have to wait |
| 01:07.09 | bib | hahaha |
| 01:07.11 | Guerin | kakalto: prefix on all debian source is /urs |
| 01:07.13 | bib | hope so |
| 01:07.13 | Guerin | usr |
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| 01:07.35 | Guerin | concept10: there is. It's called `build the source yourself' |
| 01:07.38 | h3sp4wn | If you want it enough package it yourself - I don't see that as a big problem |
| 01:08.08 | concept10 | Guerin, theres no standard for that either |
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| 01:08.31 | Guerin | concept10: sure there is. ./configure && make && make install |
| 01:08.32 | jelly-home | that's asking for impossible |
| 01:08.39 | Guerin | jelly-home: exactly. |
| 01:08.40 | h3sp4wn | for apps cdbs can work most of the time in a minimal amount of time |
| 01:08.46 | concept10 | Guerin, thats another problem right there, you said it yourself |
| 01:08.47 | Guerin | concept10: it's shit, but it *is* the standard |
| 01:08.50 | kakalto | jelly-home: you mean amarok-dev ? |
| 01:09.06 | jelly-home | kakalto: no. I mean apt-get source amarok |
| 01:09.11 | Guerin | anyway, making debian packages from upstream source is usually trivial |
| 01:09.29 | kakalto | jelly-home: ah. 10mins or so left |
| 01:09.31 | Guerin | unless it needs stupid abnormal libraries |
| 01:09.33 | bib | Guerin, ??? |
| 01:09.35 | h3sp4wn | libraries are more difficul |
| 01:09.39 | kakalto | jelly-home: sorry |
| 01:09.43 | Guerin | bib: !!! |
| 01:09.47 | kakalto | jelly-home: the build-dep is about 10 mins left |
| 01:09.55 | Guerin | yes, libraries are more difficult. |
| 01:09.58 | concept10 | Guerin, you want/expect for me to start another project? See this is what freedom is all about, but it causes more problems. More projects, More approaches, More problems. |
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| 01:10.13 | Guerin | concept10: more improvement. |
| 01:10.32 | concept10 | and more different ways, no standard |
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| 01:11.07 | Guerin | concept10: this is not a problem, despite what ESR would have you believe. |
| 01:11.11 | concept10 | If I had Shuttlesworth's money, I would fix this stuff |
| 01:11.11 | Guerin | this is a feature |
| 01:11.17 | Guerin | there is strength in diversity |
| 01:11.30 | jelly-home | kakalto: generally, you'll see the arguments for configure in the debian/rules script in the unpacked source directory with debian patches applied (what you get with apt-get source <package>) |
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| 01:11.51 | kakalto | jelly-home: ah, okay |
| 01:12.04 | g333k | hello, I ma downloading some subtitles from subdivx.com but in debian I see the spanish characters as #, but in windows I see them well, why is it happening? |
| 01:12.17 | kakalto | jelly-home: is it possible to just edit the debian/rules script, add helix support, then tell it to make the package(s)? |
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| 01:12.23 | Gnea | hey, is anyone else having problems downloading from sourceforge.net? everything seems to have become non-readable |
| 01:12.23 | concept10 | Guerin, diversity is great, but there are often many wasted efforts in Linux land. We spend our time working on the same problems, over and over. |
| 01:12.30 | dkr | this is bizarre, on my etch mail server I restarted sendmail after modifying access.db because a client of ours started exhibiting spammer behaviour so I had to turnedoff the 1 second greet pause for them, which resolved their problem, but now I can't send mail myself, :) authentication is failing and auth.log contanis, "sm-mta[25555]: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory", but I've never even enabled sasl |
| 01:12.31 | Guerin | g333k: character set issues. dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
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| 01:13.02 | h3sp4wn | concept10: He is attempting to with the smart package manager funding it |
| 01:13.02 | Guerin | concept10: this is better than the alternative of having one monolithic centralised approach which is vulnerable |
| 01:13.12 | g333k | Guerin, my locales is set to ES utf-8, I dont think that it is the reason |
| 01:13.14 | concept10 | Guerin, its called design by committee |
| 01:13.17 | jelly-home | kakalto: that's the general idea |
| 01:13.36 | h3sp4wn | concept10: however it is loads slower than aptitude |
| 01:13.39 | Harley^ | Howdy :) I installed Debian Etch on an AMD64. The GCC compiler is not installed. In Synaptic when I attempt to install the gcc I get an Error that "Official Snapshot amd64 NETINST Binary-1 20070121-08:43]/pool/main/g/gcc-4.1/libssp0_4.1.1-21_amd64.deb" has FAILED to load from the CDROM ?!? |
| 01:13.45 | Guerin | concept10: not really. In a committee a disaffected member can't go off and implement his own. |
| 01:13.48 | kakalto | jelly-home: so... I edit that, then "dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us ? |
| 01:13.53 | Guerin | concept10: it's more like design by bazaar. |
| 01:14.16 | jelly-home | kakalto: right. For this particular package you'll need some more work, though |
| 01:14.17 | bib | it's the philosophy time now? |
| 01:14.17 | concept10 | Guerin, I agree on that |
| 01:14.24 | Guerin | g333k: how do you know the characters are utf-8? Mostly they'd be 8859-* or some windows encoding. |
| 01:14.26 | g333k | Guerin, my /etc/environment file has this: LANG="es_PE.UTF-8" |
| 01:14.34 | abrotman | Harley^: comment it out in the sources.list .. and use only http sources |
| 01:14.40 | g333k | Guerin, what about unicode? |
| 01:14.41 | kakalto | jelly-home: what more work? other than installing the package? |
| 01:14.41 | concept10 | bib, always when im around, even though I dont know what the hell im talking about |
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| 01:14.50 | bib | hahaha |
| 01:15.06 | belkin | Failed to start Volume Control: there is no such package as gnome-volume-control |
| 01:15.11 | belkin | sound works fine |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | !find gnome-volume-control etch |
| 01:15.37 | Guerin | g333k: utf-8 is one form of unicode. I think windows uses utf-68 |
| 01:15.39 | Guerin | err |
| 01:15.42 | Guerin | 16 |
| 01:15.44 | Guerin | not 68 |
| 01:15.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnome-volume-control' (2 of 3): (/usr/share/app-install/desktop/gnome-volume-control.desktop) in x11/app-install-data ;; (/usr/bin/gnome-volume-control, /usr/share/applications/gnome-volume-control.desktop) in gnome/gnome-media. |
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| 01:15.50 | jelly-home | kakalto: eg. there's a debian/amarok-xine.install ... you'll need to make an analog for helix. You'll also need to edit debian/control and make a similar setup like what's there for amarok-xine. |
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| 01:16.09 | g333k | Guerin, so how can I solve that? because I solved filenames problems using utf-8 |
| 01:16.25 | Guerin | g333k: there's probably a convertor someplace |
| 01:16.26 | kakalto | jelly-home: so that I get an amarok-helix ? fair enough |
| 01:16.31 | concept10 | bib, Im happy with Linux, it reminds me of my Commodore days, only with more freedom. It amazes me daily the amount of complexity in Linux, but also the amount of stuff I am free to do |
| 01:16.36 | Guerin | the first trick is finding out what encoding it has |
| 01:16.58 | g333k | Guerin, if I open the same file in windows I see it correctly |
| 01:17.07 | Guerin | g333k: THIS MEANS NOTHING AT ALL |
| 01:17.13 | Guerin | g333k: what makes you think it does? |
| 01:17.25 | Guerin | character encoding is DIFFERENT across platforms |
| 01:17.29 | g333k | Guerin, debian uses one enconding and windows another |
| 01:17.34 | Guerin | NO SHIT |
| 01:17.42 | g333k | Guerin, no yelling please |
| 01:17.50 | Guerin | hence: set your system to use the right fucking encoding, or convert the file to an encoding you can use. |
| 01:17.56 | Guerin | g333k: no stupidity please. |
| 01:18.17 | g333k | Guerin, are you here to help or to yell at people?¡ |
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| 01:18.28 | concept10 | but Linux needs more innovation, less copycat, lets be friendly to the Windows switchers |
| 01:18.31 | g333k | Guerin, fukin troll |
| 01:18.34 | Guerin | g333k: i *am* helping, the only point is that you're not taking my advice. |
| 01:18.45 | Guerin | g333k: now either do so or stop whining about it. |
| 01:18.55 | eldowan | g333k: you know not, quit bitching and listen to the help in the channel |
| 01:18.55 | Guerin | concept10: so innovate. |
| 01:19.12 | Guerin | concept10: and don't copy, and be more windows-friendly. |
| 01:19.13 | concept10 | Guerin, calm down buddy |
| 01:19.19 | Guerin | concept10: i hear linspire is hiring ;) |
| 01:19.27 | Guerin | concept10: i am calm. |
| 01:19.44 | kakalto | concept10: the brilliant thing about linux is, talk all you want... nothing happens if you don't do it :P |
| 01:19.52 | Guerin | concept10: i'm just saying: telling a volunteer community what it needs is pointless. Be the change you want to see. |
| 01:19.58 | Guerin | kakalto: right on. |
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| 01:20.37 | concept10 | Guerin, I do my part, but it takes time. No one learns GTK, pyGTK, gstreamer, et al overnite |
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| 01:21.21 | concept10 | Guerin, but when I finish my project, I will trump all (hopefully) |
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| 01:21.46 | Guerin | concept10: cool. |
| 01:21.58 | abrotman | concept10: slacker |
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| 01:23.00 | concept10 | abrotman, I know I am, ive been spending too much time arguing with Guerin |
| 01:23.12 | kakalto | hehe |
| 01:23.17 | g333k | Guerin, I found it, the file is a ISO-8859 text, but I use a utf-8 enconding |
| 01:25.21 | threat2 | hmmm, what debian package has saslauthd? |
| 01:25.29 | threat2 | is it sasl2-bin? |
| 01:25.54 | dondelelcaro | !+find saslauthd |
| 01:25.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:26.02 | threat2 | ok |
| 01:26.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'saslauthd' (4 of 7): (/usr/share/doc/kolabd/templates/saslauthd.conf.template) in mail/kolabd ;; (/usr/share/doc/gosa/contrib/altlinux/etc/sasl2/saslauthd.conf) in web/gosa ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/{saslauthd|testsaslauthd}) in libdevel/cyrus-sasl2-dbg ;; (/etc/init.d/saslauthd, /etc/default/saslauthd, /usr/sbin/{saslauthd|testsaslauthd}) in utils/sasl2-bin. |
| 01:26.30 | threat2 | yay it is in sasl2-bin |
| 01:26.36 | threat2 | thnx dpkg |
| 01:26.39 | dondelelcaro | threat2: p.d.o also has this information |
| 01:26.47 | threat2 | what command did dpkg run to find that out? |
| 01:26.52 | dondelelcaro | !tell threat2 -about pdo |
| 01:26.57 | threat2 | is there a apt-cache option to list what package has a file? |
| 01:27.00 | threat2 | pdo, ok |
| 01:27.03 | threat2 | thank you |
| 01:27.17 | dondelelcaro | threat2: also, /msg dpkg search; |
| 01:27.22 | stoned | My actual question is this. Has anyone tried using the Captive ntfs-write software? How reliable is it? I read that it uses wine and MS original ntfs driver. This *should* be safe no? |
| 01:27.38 | dondelelcaro | if you actually trust the original ntfs driver... |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | stoned: /msg dpkg captive |
| 01:28.00 | unlink | how do i remove two volumes from system:// in GNOME? they're autofs and every time i open a save as dialog they mount (causing 2 nautilus windows to pop up) |
| 01:28.01 | kakalto | jelly-home: I only had 40mb worth =) |
| 01:28.30 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: thank you! w00t! cyrus's db and mail spool has been successfully restored! |
| 01:28.35 | g333k | I have a question: If I use iso-8859 enconding, will I see spanish characters as accents, ñ, etc characters in my filenames and text files? |
| 01:28.55 | Guerin | g333k: you can use both |
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| 01:29.13 | sid | damn, 141 rc etch bugs. jumped 30 in like a day |
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| 01:29.26 | Guerin | g333k: but it's possibly easier to just convert it |
| 01:29.51 | belkin | abrotman i couldnt find any gnome-volume-control |
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| 01:30.23 | abrotman | belkin: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search gnome-volume-control |
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| 01:30.46 | kakalto | jelly-home: compiling now |
| 01:31.15 | g333k | Guerin, but about my question... which enconding lets me see spanish characters? utf-8 or iso-8859? |
| 01:31.21 | sid | apt-file search bin/gnome-volume-control |
| 01:31.22 | Guerin | g333k: BOTH |
| 01:31.27 | g333k | ok |
| 01:31.32 | Guerin | g333k: it depends what the SOURCE of the characters is |
| 01:31.51 | Guerin | for instance, I use uft-8, so when I do Ã±Ã§Ä |
| 01:31.54 | Guerin | you can see it |
| 01:32.12 | g333k | Guerin, I though that one enconding contains the other... |
| 01:32.14 | Guerin | if you were using iso8859-* you wouldn't |
| 01:32.17 | eldowan | I see the accented n, and c. Nt the last. |
| 01:32.31 | Guerin | g333k: utf-8 contains ASCII, which includes no accented characters |
| 01:32.43 | Guerin | eldowan: you probably need a better font. |
| 01:33.24 | chris_goe | speaking of weird charsets, fonts even: does anybody have an idea what could've caused this: http://nerdbynature.de/bits/vmware/vmware-console-X11.png |
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| 01:33.37 | stoned | I need reliable ntfs write support under debian |
| 01:33.43 | stoned | "reliable enough" |
| 01:33.44 | chris_goe | it's a debian/sid @ amd64 |
| 01:33.45 | Guerin | i blame vmware |
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| 01:33.58 | Guerin | stoned: /msg dpkg captive |
| 01:34.03 | kakalto | stoned: ntfs3g works pretty good for me |
| 01:34.04 | krazykit | stoned, ntfs-3g seems to be popular nowadays |
| 01:34.06 | kakalto | stoned: (etch) |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | gravity: i have a question! |
| 01:34.14 | kakalto | stoned: so long as windows shuts down properly |
| 01:34.15 | chris_goe | don't think so, because other vmware-consoles are running fine, on different servers though |
| 01:34.25 | eldowan | Guerin: I'm using sans serif |
| 01:34.33 | Guerin | eldowan: sans serif isn't a font |
| 01:34.38 | Guerin | it's a style |
| 01:34.39 | stoned | thanks.. checking |
| 01:35.11 | kakalto | stoned: if windows doesn't shut down properly, it simply won't mount. So pretty safe AFAIK |
| 01:35.17 | eldowan | Guerin: What is a known good font? |
| 01:35.33 | Guerin | eldowan: i use bitstream vera sans mono |
| 01:35.48 | gravity | abrotman: Ok |
| 01:36.03 | kakalto | eldowan: I use URW Gothic L |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | gravity: the xorg.md5sum is still used right ? |
| 01:36.22 | kakalto | worked fine with those accented characters earlier |
| 01:36.32 | eldowan | Guerin: i still can't see the last of your cn? could you repeat? |
| 01:36.45 | Guerin | eldowan: Ä |
| 01:36.47 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 01:36.55 | Guerin | it's an a with a macron |
| 01:36.57 | eldowan | Guerin: just a blank square, bitstream vera sans mono |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | gravity: thanks :) |
| 01:37.02 | gravity | No problem |
| 01:37.08 | belkin | abrotman there is a /usr/bin/gnome-volume-manager but but it doesnt start . apt-file shouws there is a gnome-volume-control in /usr/bin/ which is not true |
| 01:37.12 | Guerin | eldowan: then your encoding must be wrong |
| 01:37.25 | Guerin | or your terminal doesn't do unicode properly |
| 01:37.28 | SerajewelKS | belkin: apt-file does not show what is on your computer |
| 01:37.35 | abrotman | belkin: reinstall the package |
| 01:37.44 | eldowan | Guerin: konversation irc client. would encoding be locale? |
| 01:38.35 | ProActive | I have installed debian etch amd64 and I connect trought putty and use nano to edit files, but it garbles some text |
| 01:38.51 | ProActive | With debian sarge it's everything ok, any opinion? |
| 01:39.06 | Guerin | eldowan: yes. |
| 01:39.22 | Guerin | ProActive: could be TERM settings |
| 01:39.34 | Guerin | ProActive: or your choice of chracter encoding in putty |
| 01:39.50 | Guerin | iirc etch defaults to uts-8, while sarge was iso-8859 |
| 01:39.50 | ProActive | guerin and could it affect only nano and vi? |
| 01:40.03 | Guerin | well, it woudl affect other things too, but not everything |
| 01:40.10 | ProActive | Guerin thanks |
| 01:40.11 | Guerin | most curses programs, fx |
| 01:40.41 | belkin | abrotman you mean update it ? aptget install wont find it and apt-file install cannot be exec... |
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| 01:41.00 | eldowan | Guerin: locale en_us.utf-8 utf-8 |
| 01:41.12 | ProActive | Guerin I'm a newbie so in putty how can i alter it ro utf-8? |
| 01:41.19 | Guerin | ProActive: it's in `language' or something |
| 01:41.31 | Guerin | eldowan: i blame kde |
| 01:41.46 | eldowan | Guerin: so this is the correct locale? |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | belkin: apt-get --reinstall install gnome-volume-manager |
| 01:42.03 | Guerin | eldowan: yes, that's the same encoding I have. |
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| 01:42.28 | magyar | when will the release happen? |
| 01:42.40 | eldowan | Guerin: I should be able to check by going to VT1, and using irssi, yes? |
| 01:42.46 | dondelelcaro | magyar: wir, siyh. |
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| 01:43.04 | belkin | abrotman gnome-volume-manager still doesnt start , sorry about this man :) |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | then something else is wrong |
| 01:43.38 | belkin | wonder what can it be ... |
| 01:43.46 | belkin | because i installed gnome-core ? |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | check logs maybe ? |
| 01:43.53 | belkin | doent have to |
| 01:43.55 | belkin | ok |
| 01:43.59 | magyar | i have an issue with arts, it doesnt want to load the soundserver for kde. Man need help |
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| 01:47.10 | ProActive | Guerin it worked... it's under translation in putty |
| 01:47.16 | ProActive | Guerin thanks again |
| 01:47.26 | Bogus8 | in fstab do mount later mount options over ride later ones? |
| 01:47.38 | Bogus8 | like if I put default then user will it be user or nouser? |
| 01:47.43 | Bogus8 | or will it not work at all |
| 01:48.13 | Guerin | Bogus8: this should be documented in man mount |
| 01:48.24 | Bogus8 | I'm reading it now |
| 01:48.45 | Bogus8 | not seeing that but I might have over looked it.. I just assumed that would be mentioned in the -o Options section |
| 01:49.55 | Hunnur | if I want to install debian on a 486SX by putting the harddrive in a different computer while doing the install and then moving the HD back, is there anything special I need to do to let it know that it will be in lack of a math-coprocessor? (Will it try and grab i586 packages?) |
| 01:51.08 | Guerin | Hunnur: there are no 586 packages in debian |
| 01:51.28 | Hunnur | k |
| 01:51.28 | Guerin | Hunnur: i don't think a math copro is required, though it will be amazingly slow |
| 01:51.39 | Bogus8 | Guerin: just looked over about all of that man file and there is nothing about it that I saw |
| 01:51.48 | Guerin | Bogus8: only one way to try, then |
| 01:51.54 | Bogus8 | Hunnur: have you thought about DSL? |
| 01:52.28 | Hunnur | Bogus8: do you think that would better suit this? It has 127mb space, and I don't need X |
| 01:52.33 | Bogus8 | Guerin: well, two ways... if someone else already knows then wouldn't be too much trouble for them to volunteer that info... or like you were saying try myself |
| 01:52.36 | unlink | is it possible to remove devices from gnomevfs / nautilus in GNOME? |
| 01:53.05 | Bogus8 | Hunnur: well, I think picking a distro designed to work on antient gear is the best option ;0 |
| 01:53.08 | Bogus8 | ;) |
| 01:53.13 | Guerin | Hunnur: 127MB is *very* minimal for debian |
| 01:53.21 | Hunnur | Thanks. I'll check that out first then |
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| 01:53.41 | Bogus8 | Guerin: why not give them the "try and find out"... cause it would be a waste of time when you know better and can help a brother out ;) |
| 01:53.53 | Hunnur | (it just has to run minicom, and I like the idea that debian can be applied to any situation :) ) |
| 01:53.53 | Guerin | Bogus8: oh, but I don't |
| 01:53.59 | stoned | I need to install a very minimal X/kde based debian on a 2GB HDD. Is this possible |
| 01:54.03 | Bogus8 | Hunnur: there are several small distro's made for embeded systems and such |
| 01:54.03 | Guerin | Bogus8: otherwise I would |
| 01:54.13 | Guerin | stoned: 2G is easy |
| 01:54.15 | sid | stoned: apt-get install x-window-system-core xorg kde |
| 01:54.16 | Guerin | 127MB isn't |
| 01:54.17 | Bogus8 | I can't recall the one that is made to be a wifi router/AP |
| 01:54.28 | stoned | ok cool |
| 01:54.32 | stoned | thank |
| 01:54.35 | gravity | sid: Just xorg. x-window-system-core just depends on xorg |
| 01:54.51 | gravity | At least, if you're running anything beyond sarge |
| 01:54.52 | sid | gravity: I see. thanks for the info |
| 01:54.57 | Bogus8 | stoned: I'm using X and xfce w/ Open Office and taking up 1.19gigs |
| 01:55.22 | Hunnur | (note: X in less than 120MB is Slax--good imo but slackware based :/) |
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| 01:56.41 | snowbird | i am trying to get java |
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| 01:59.21 | g333k | Do you know any tool to convert iso-8859 files to utf-8 ? |
| 01:59.27 | Dewi | snowbird: the jdk is packaged these days |
| 01:59.35 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:59.36 | Dewi | snowbird: in etch anyway |
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| 01:59.45 | snowbird | were do i get jdk |
| 01:59.57 | eldowan_ | Guerin: Could you send the accented character again? the 'a' ? |
| 02:01.12 | eldowan | Ä |
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| 02:01.53 | Dewi | snowbird: sudo aptitude install sun-java5-jdk |
| 02:01.55 | eldowan | Ä |
| 02:02.05 | Dewi | eldowan: invisible from here :P |
| 02:02.06 | snowbird | thanks |
| 02:02.18 | Dewi | snowbird: there is JRE as well if you don't want to build anything |
| 02:02.20 | eldowan | Guerin: KDE is the culprit, I can run xchat-gnome and it shows up. in konversation it doesn't. Good call. |
| 02:02.36 | eldowan | I think I'll be switching irc clients before long... |
| 02:03.13 | Shock | is there a name for break/continue type constructs? |
| 02:03.29 | snowbird | eldowan, try x char irc |
| 02:03.33 | Shock | a common name, i mean |
| 02:04.35 | eldowan | snowbird: what is 'x char irc'? |
| 02:04.49 | snowbird | oops i m x chat |
| 02:05.05 | snowbird | its a program on linxu to use irc channels |
| 02:05.09 | eldowan | snowbird: xchat works correctly. |
| 02:05.14 | snowbird | yeah |
| 02:05.18 | rahul | Shock: what does a break/continue construct do? |
| 02:05.20 | eldowan | snowbird: it is konversation screwing it up. |
| 02:05.29 | snowbird | ok |
| 02:05.55 | snowbird | dewi its doing bin thing |
| 02:05.57 | Shock | rahul: i mean the two constructs separately. break, and continue. |
| 02:06.06 | rahul | Shock: which do what where? |
| 02:06.31 | Shock | the first one breaks the loop, the second one jumps to the next iteration of the loop |
| 02:06.38 | rahul | oh, C. |
| 02:06.48 | Shock | among other languages, sure |
| 02:06.54 | rahul | Shock: they're the most primitive forms of non-local transfers of control |
| 02:07.26 | buu | Shock: 'flow control', usually. |
| 02:07.29 | Shock | pretty much masked goto's |
| 02:07.30 | Shock | right |
| 02:07.34 | rahul | hmm, at least, in Java, they can be used for that. |
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| 02:07.40 | buu | Which is a broader category that encompasses ifs and elses. |
| 02:07.40 | snowbird | kernel header dont match error on my java install |
| 02:08.00 | Dewi | snowbird: eh? |
| 02:08.23 | snowbird | yeah i get that error kernal dont match dont think it installed |
| 02:08.27 | snowbird | how aould i test it |
| 02:08.28 | rahul | Shock: a more advanced one is something like setjmp/longjmp |
| 02:08.35 | Dewi | snowbird: type 'java' |
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| 02:08.48 | snowbird | kk |
| 02:09.15 | Shock | rahul: yeah, that's essentially a mini-continuation |
| 02:09.39 | rahul | er... a dynamic-extent continuation |
| 02:09.51 | Shock | i'm curious as to whether or not a for loop can be called a "conditional construct" |
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| 02:10.02 | rahul | Shock: it loops, so not really |
| 02:10.06 | Shock | yeah |
| 02:10.09 | rahul | it's a looping construct |
| 02:10.11 | Shock | maybe a "flow control construct" would be better... |
| 02:10.12 | snowbird | dewi |
| 02:10.12 | dondelelcaro | well, you could use it as one, but it'd be stupid. |
| 02:10.51 | Shock | conditional constructs would be switches and if-then-else's |
| 02:10.55 | Dewi | snowbird: I don't know why java would be too interested in your kernel headers. Maybe you should use a pastebin |
| 02:11.04 | dondelelcaro | for (;theconditional;){ ...; statement_to_make_the_conditional_false;} |
| 02:11.09 | snowbird | dewi ok |
| 02:11.13 | Shock | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 02:11.27 | Shock | and something called a 'ternary', apparently... i always called those 'inline ifs' |
| 02:11.36 | zinx | ?: |
| 02:11.41 | Dewi | Shock: people hate those but I *love* them |
| 02:11.43 | dondelelcaro | the ternary is just called that because it takes three arguments. |
| 02:11.46 | zinx | it's called that because it has 3 arguments |
| 02:11.48 | zinx | yeah |
| 02:11.51 | Shock | Dewi: i love those too |
| 02:12.02 | zinx | like binary/unary |
| 02:12.02 | Shock | Dewi: if it lets me do shit in one line, i'll praise it |
| 02:12.10 | Ynnek | buenas! |
| 02:12.14 | rahul | psht |
| 02:12.19 | Dewi | Shock: I detest unnecessary flow control. |
| 02:12.33 | Dewi | Shock: makes it so hard to keep track of what code is or isn't being covered |
| 02:12.36 | rahul | give me a good syntax to do that with more tests and consequents and I'll be happy |
| 02:12.39 | dondelelcaro | the best place for ternaries is assignment. |
| 02:12.46 | Shock | yeah... |
| 02:12.57 | Dewi | yeah, and they go hand in hand with proper use of Exceptions |
| 02:12.58 | rahul | and with loops :D |
| 02:13.10 | Shock | there's also c#'s new construct, '??' |
| 02:13.12 | Dewi | without exceptions they aren't really a responsible way to code |
| 02:13.16 | dondelelcaro | or I suppose I should say, places where you need an rvalue. |
| 02:13.17 | snowbird | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5175 |
| 02:13.18 | Dewi | Shock: what's that? |
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| 02:13.26 | snowbird | dewi past shows it error |
| 02:13.32 | Shock | as in, String x = y ?? "default"; |
| 02:13.46 | rahul | Shock: that's just an or |
| 02:13.56 | Shock | Dewi: if y is not null, x = y, otherwise x = "default" |
| 02:13.57 | dondelelcaro | that sounds like a cheezy way of doing perl's || |
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| 02:14.10 | Shock | Dewi: it returns the first non-null value in the chain |
| 02:14.13 | rahul | it's a cheezy way of doing C's || :) |
| 02:14.17 | Shock | yeah |
| 02:14.40 | Shock | javascript has the same || |
| 02:14.43 | rahul | oh, it's because there's separate null value distinct from false |
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| 02:15.03 | Shock | strings can't be false. C# doesn't let you fuck with types like that. |
| 02:15.09 | Shock | you can't even convert a bool to an int |
| 02:15.10 | threat2 | hmmm, my server's uptime is 7 days, but my vmstat is readin 209480 swaped. Is there a way to see what it using up all of the space? my SWAP space is over 50% used. (my server has 512Mb RAM in it, and 700 and something SWAP space). |
| 02:15.16 | Shock | the cast fails |
| 02:15.28 | litage | okay guys, got a really weird problem happening...when i run scp on my workstation and copy a file from my workstation to another box, it goes at about 500KB/s. but if i run scp on my workstation and copy a file from another box to my workstation, it goes at 5KB/s. any ideas? |
| 02:15.28 | snowbird | dewi any ideas? |
| 02:15.35 | dondelelcaro | threat2: look at the free output. Using swap is no big deal. |
| 02:15.38 | rahul | strings can't be false, but null can be false if they wanted it to be |
| 02:15.49 | Shock | right. that's where ?? comes in |
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| 02:16.49 | rahul | Shock: but it's not needed, realy |
| 02:16.50 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: what is the paste limit in here? |
| 02:16.55 | threat2 | how many lines |
| 02:16.56 | dondelelcaro | threat2: don't paste. |
| 02:16.59 | threat2 | ok |
| 02:17.03 | dondelelcaro | that's the limit. ;-) |
| 02:17.06 | threat2 | heh |
| 02:18.04 | rahul | I'm so ashamed of the gcc people for making ternaries non-lvalues |
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| 02:19.00 | snowbird | error wacom-kernel-source: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 02:19.01 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: well free tells me that there is 454/472 Mb used in RAM, buffers and cache is 279Mb used, 192Mb free, SWAP is 204/729 Mb used. |
| 02:19.11 | Dewi | snowbird: those errors appear to be to do with wacom-kernel-source and cpad-kernel-source packages |
| 02:19.21 | snowbird | yeah so what i do? |
| 02:19.23 | Dewi | snowbird: but they are not listed as packages being installed or upgraded |
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| 02:19.31 | snowbird | odd |
| 02:19.38 | Dewi | snowbird: Are you sure they aren't packages you installed or upgraded previously, and are broken? |
| 02:19.40 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: when this server was up to 66 days uptime I was getting alot of out of memory errors, especially from clamav, and it started to kill processes, mainly clamav and spamassassin |
| 02:19.52 | snowbird | there broken forsure |
| 02:19.53 | Dewi | snowbird: either way, I can't imagine java requiring the source code for developing wacom tablet software |
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| 02:20.07 | snowbird | i dont know how they were boken |
| 02:20.14 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: what tools can help me confirm is these programs are the issue? |
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| 02:20.51 | Dewi | snowbird: hmm... perhaps consider running aptitude and disabling those two packages... checking to see if anything depends on them of course |
| 02:21.10 | snowbird | kk |
| 02:21.37 | dondelelcaro | threat2: well, right now it looks like you're fine. The key line is the +/- Buffers Free line. |
| 02:21.52 | dondelelcaro | threat2: so long as that stays reasonably ok, and you have some free swap, you won't activate the OOM killer. |
| 02:21.53 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:22.10 | snowbird | dewi there tto do with xorg |
| 02:22.25 | snowbird | reinstalled em |
| 02:22.47 | dondelelcaro | threat2: if you're getting that happening though, you need to turn down the number of clamav and spamassassin processes you allow to run, or possibly restart them more often. [SA has been known to have memory leaks in the past, so it's not unthinkable that it still does.] |
| 02:22.48 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: if it starts to creap above this as time goes on, would this indicate some type of memory leak? assuming the email load stays the same (which is has been so far) |
| 02:22.52 | Dewi | snowbird: nothing depends on the wacom one |
| 02:22.52 | MatBoy | what are the best alternatives for Wine ? |
| 02:23.08 | MatBoy | CrossOver |
| 02:23.15 | MatBoy | and I thought there was something else |
| 02:23.24 | snowbird | dewi ok maybe remove em? |
| 02:23.34 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: any tools I can use, like a bcheck type tool, to record any memory leaks occuring? |
| 02:23.37 | Dewi | snowbird: oops actually nothing depends on either of them |
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| 02:23.50 | Dewi | snowbird: they are just tools to compile touchpad and tablet software against |
| 02:23.52 | snowbird | kk il remove em |
| 02:23.54 | Shock | you know what blows about C#? switch fallthroughs only work if the case is empty |
| 02:23.58 | dondelelcaro | threat2: if the increase is fairly linear, yeah... but it's also possible that those programs will try to allocate more memory if large messages come through. |
| 02:24.04 | Dewi | snowbird: so maybe if you wanted to build your own The GIMP you might need them |
| 02:24.05 | Shock | if it's not empty and you still want to fall through, you NEED a goto |
| 02:24.11 | Dewi | snowbird: but they are not necessary for running your system |
| 02:24.19 | dondelelcaro | threat2: your best bet is to run something like munin or similar to keep track of the memory usage on your system |
| 02:24.34 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: I limit spamassassin to scanning less than 100K |
| 02:24.44 | snowbird | see if that helps |
| 02:24.45 | dondelelcaro | threat2: then you should be ok |
| 02:24.45 | Dewi | Shock: yeah, but the fallthrough thing always seemed like a bad design to me |
| 02:24.45 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: clamav has a 50Mb or so limit |
| 02:24.48 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 02:25.03 | SzArAk | i'm looking for a nice way to save window layout (splitted window) and fold's in gvim. does anybody know a good way to do that? |
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| 02:25.11 | Dewi | Shock: I'm sure that fallthrough behaviour has caused thousands more bugs over the years than anything else, because 99% of the time you want a break after every case |
| 02:25.34 | Dewi | Shock: all C# did was make it so that you HAD to put a break, and if you want a fall through - which is no better than a goto - you have to declare it *explicitly* |
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| 02:25.52 | Dewi | Shock: something like a fallthrough SHOULD be declared explicitly, not by leaving out a single word of syntax. IMHO anyway :) |
| 02:26.25 | Dewi | Shock: but it is an interesting case... backwards compatibility without backwards compatibility |
| 02:26.45 | magyar | i have sound issues in kde "Sound_server_informational_message:__Error_while_initializing_the_sound_driver:_device:_default_can't_be_opened_for_playback_(No_such_file_or_directory)__The_sound_server_will_continue,_using_the_null_output_device.=false" |
| 02:26.53 | Dewi | Shock: most language designers who detested fallthroughs might have removed "break" altogether and said simply "they don't fall through", but that would have made things much more confusing for everyone |
| 02:27.04 | madd_matt | Sometimes when starting X, my pixel phase seems to be off. I can't adjust my monitor to the proper range. No settings are changed on the monitor, so i'm forced to conclude something funny is happening on the computer. I'm using VGA from an nvidia graphics card to an LG LCD. |
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| 02:27.25 | Dewi | madd_matt: can't use DVI? :) |
| 02:27.45 | Shock | Dewi: you have to use a fucking goto, though... come on |
| 02:27.55 | madd_matt | Dewi, no support on video card. And I'm not buying a new AGP card, not until I get a new graphics card. |
| 02:27.58 | Dewi | Shock: I'd rather a goto I can see than one I can't :) |
| 02:28.14 | Shock | Dewi: with an explicit label that corresponds to a particular case |
| 02:28.22 | Shock | Dewi: that lets you loop inside a switch! |
| 02:28.25 | Dewi | Shock: I don't think goto is much worse than a break or a continue or even a "return" that isn't on the last line |
| 02:28.27 | Shock | Dewi: that's insane! |
| 02:28.33 | Dewi | Shock: I hate seeing "return" throughout functions, btw |
| 02:28.33 | eldowan | madd_matt: when you buy a new AGP card, you'll have a new graphics card... :D |
| 02:28.36 | Shock | yes it is, you can give it a label |
| 02:28.58 | Shock | although in java you can give a break/continue a label, too... but for some reason i find that to be clever. |
| 02:29.09 | Shock | i love being able to break out of two loops at once |
| 02:29.12 | threat2 | Dewi: nothing wrong with a few returns :) |
| 02:29.23 | madd_matt | eldowan, Er. /s/graphics card/PCI-E motherboard/ |
| 02:29.39 | Dewi | threat2: one entry point, one exit point, unless it's something really trivial. My personal rule anyway :) |
| 02:29.40 | threat2 | Dewi: although it is usually better to have one exit point in a program as well as function, makes it easier to read |
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| 02:29.46 | threat2 | Dewi: yep :) |
| 02:29.47 | threat2 | Dewi: hehe |
| 02:29.52 | Shock | makes sense |
| 02:30.00 | Dewi | threat2: it's a bit like always putting braces around if bodies |
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| 02:30.08 | threat2 | Dewi: I am glad we think alike on the matter |
| 02:30.09 | Dewi | threat2: you might not need it now but when you make your routine more complex later... :) |
| 02:30.19 | threat2 | Dewi: yep |
| 02:30.31 | Shock | incidentally, what would you call a try-catch block? an exception handling construct? |
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| 02:30.42 | Dewi | Shock: I guess so |
| 02:30.44 | rahul | Shock: no, it's a non-local transfer of control |
| 02:30.59 | Shock | rahul: like a break/cotninue? |
| 02:31.01 | Dewi | rahul: it is at once totally localised and global |
| 02:31.02 | rahul | Shock: it's comparable to setjmp/longjmp |
| 02:31.11 | Zarephath | Ok I have an problem I am unable to figure out. My PC has a realtek nic. When I booted up the network install...at first it coudln't obtain an ip using dhcp. I assigned it a static ip..finished, reboot...I keep seeing a message saying link up/link down. I attempted to follow the networking howto and use net add, then netstat to check...the nic has an ip and I can ping the loopback and assigned ip. I just can't get it to add the ga |
| 02:31.13 | Shock | right |
| 02:31.23 | rahul | Dewi: it's dynamically scoped, not statically scoped |
| 02:31.24 | threat2 | Dewi: and easier to read, I used to have my braces in line with the function definition, makes it a lot easier to read if it's on its own line |
| 02:31.30 | Dewi | rahul: true |
| 02:31.47 | Bac9 | will anything aside from cryptoloop work in 2.4.33 |
| 02:31.57 | Dewi | threat2: ah... yeah I have java-itis there |
| 02:32.07 | Dewi | threat2: for some reason the K&R braces look nasty to me |
| 02:32.17 | rahul | Shock: true handling of exceptional situations should allow you to decide at what level to restart/continue/abort computation |
| 02:32.20 | Shock | rahul: is that what the guys at lambda-the-ultimate would call it? |
| 02:32.22 | threat2 | Dewi: yep :) |
| 02:32.25 | Dewi | although even K&R didn't newline flow control braces... just function ones |
| 02:32.35 | rahul | Shock: hmm? |
| 02:32.40 | zinx | i put the { for function defs on another line for a completely lazy reason |
| 02:32.48 | zinx | so i can copy/paste and just append a ; for the header |
| 02:32.57 | Dewi | rahul: isn't that exactly what exceptions provide? |
| 02:32.59 | threat2 | Dewi: I am starting to learn java now actually |
| 02:33.20 | rahul | Dewi: no, they instantly transfer control to where you should have been able to define behavior |
| 02:33.27 | threat2 | zinx: heh |
| 02:33.34 | karsten | threat2: Remember, there's always plenty of time ... |
| 02:33.37 | karsten | threat2: ... to stop. |
| 02:33.42 | zinx | threat2: isn't it horrible? :) |
| 02:33.42 | snowbird | dewi to many errors cant get java |
| 02:33.43 | threat2 | karsten: :) |
| 02:33.51 | rahul | Dewi: instead of allowing the computation to be restarted closer to the current point of execution |
| 02:33.57 | Dewi | snowbird: what error now? |
| 02:34.08 | rahul | Shock: Steele helped in defining many languages |
| 02:34.13 | snowbird | same thing |
| 02:34.16 | threat2 | zinx: it is a bit different to C/C++, but I need to learn it as it is a pre-req for a subject I want to do |
| 02:34.21 | rahul | Shock: including Java :) |
| 02:34.22 | Shock | who's Steele |
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| 02:34.32 | threat2 | karsten: heh |
| 02:34.46 | rahul | Shock: the one who started the Lambda the Ultimate series of essays |
| 02:35.05 | Shock | oh, ok |
| 02:35.34 | Shock | i've read some back when i was doing some functional programming |
| 02:35.40 | threat2 | just wrote a simple echo server and client class in java and C++, and I have to say I prefer C++ streams more than java's filters and what ever they call the other one |
| 02:36.18 | rahul | Shock: http://library.readscheme.org/page1.html |
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| 02:36.38 | Shock | i'll have to take a look |
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| 02:36.56 | rahul | his "considered harmful series is also a good one" |
| 02:37.07 | rahul | move that end quote in a few words :P |
| 02:37.22 | snowbird | diwi look |
| 02:37.25 | Shock | heh |
| 02:37.28 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:37.30 | snowbird | fixed |
| 02:37.33 | rahul | I guess they overlap, actually |
| 02:37.33 | Shock | no, dude, i like that quote just where i see it. |
| 02:38.20 | Shock | hmm, i bet the 'goto considered harmful' paper is online, too... i should read that |
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| 02:38.52 | rahul | Shock: oh, no, that was Dijkstra's |
| 02:38.54 | karsten | Shock: Oddly, a hyperlinks is pretty much a go-to. |
| 02:39.01 | Shock | i know, rahul |
| 02:39.07 | rahul | Shock: he made a series of parodies |
| 02:39.20 | Shock | steele did? |
| 02:39.21 | rahul | yeah |
| 02:39.21 | Dewi | rahul: you can put your catches and finals as close to the execution as you want |
| 02:39.26 | snowbird | thanks |
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| 02:39.34 | rahul | Dewi: not if they're not in your own code |
| 02:39.38 | Dewi | rahul: there are some awkwardnesses, but it's been ages since I wrote anything in a proper language |
| 02:40.10 | rahul | Dewi: the libraries should define exception handling possibilities. the application should choose among those. |
| 02:40.19 | rahul | (possibly asking the user what makes most sense) |
| 02:40.42 | rahul | if the user knows the network just went down, he can just wait for the net to come back up and retry connecting to the server |
| 02:41.17 | rahul | if the user knows he typoed the server name, he can abort and try it with the right server name, or even choose a restart that lets him change the server name |
| 02:43.27 | snowbird | error E: cpad-kernel-source: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
| 02:43.29 | Dewi | rahul: hmm. But for code to remain modular you shouldn't have that kind of internal control unless it is specifically granted by the interface |
| 02:43.37 | snowbird | dewi that eror |
| 02:44.02 | rahul | Dewi: of course. Java can't allow such control to be granted, which is a deficiency |
| 02:44.06 | Dewi | snowbird: I've told you, you don't even need that package unless you are building touchpad or tablet support into a program you are compiling |
| 02:44.14 | Dewi | snowbird: if you're not doing that, just remove the packages |
| 02:44.22 | rahul | Dewi: it substitutes non-local exits for exception handling. |
| 02:44.24 | snowbird | i get that when i exit symantic |
| 02:44.28 | snowbird | or addd programs |
| 02:44.29 | Dewi | snowbird: if it won't let you remove them, you might need to force it |
| 02:44.40 | snowbird | dewi how would i force it |
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| 02:48.38 | Dewi | snowbird: try running from shell : aptitude remove cpad-kernel-source wacom-kernel-source |
| 02:48.41 | Dewi | snowbird: does that fail? |
| 02:49.24 | snowbird | no |
| 02:49.26 | Dewi | rahul: is there a paradigm with a solution to this problem? |
| 02:49.38 | snowbird | thanks |
| 02:49.45 | Dewi | snowbird: then hopefully they should stop complaining now about being unable to configure :) |
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| 02:49.54 | Dewi | snowbird: and you can go on with your life, including installing java |
| 02:49.55 | snowbird | right |
| 02:50.02 | Dewi | snowbird: go back into aptitude and hit 'g' |
| 02:50.04 | snowbird | right |
| 02:50.30 | rahul | Dewi: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/Exceptional-Situations-1990.html |
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| 02:52.01 | Dewi | rahul: thanks... I'll give that a ready sometime (currently working) |
| 02:52.05 | Dewi | er... a read |
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| 02:52.13 | rahul | Dewi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exception_handling <- down to the bottom for the simple version |
| 02:52.21 | Dewi | hehe :) |
| 02:52.24 | rahul | Dewi: "condition systems" heading in that wiki page |
| 02:52.47 | Dewi | rahul: I have a software engineering degree and yet I know way too little about this stuff |
| 02:53.02 | rahul | Dewi: software engineering or CS? |
| 02:53.09 | Dewi | rahul: engineering |
| 02:53.14 | rahul | not that either would teach you about these kinds of things :\ |
| 02:53.27 | Dewi | not around here, no |
| 02:53.30 | rahul | interesting. I'd think this is the MAIN thing they'd teach in software engineering |
| 02:53.34 | Dewi | I'm not sure *where* you learn these things |
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| 02:53.39 | Shock | CS at MIT might teach you about these kinds of things |
| 02:53.42 | rahul | except that it's too "modern" probably |
| 02:53.44 | rahul | Shock: nope |
| 02:53.45 | Dewi | rahul: they taught us... a lot of BS |
| 02:53.56 | Shock | really? |
| 02:53.57 | rahul | Shock: the AI lab would have people who know it |
| 02:54.00 | Dewi | rahul: metholodologies from the early 90s that nobody outside HP used, that sort of thing |
| 02:54.14 | rahul | or at least, across the street are ex-AI-labbers who created this stuff |
| 02:54.21 | Shock | come on, MIT invented scheme, didn't they? someone out there has to know this. |
| 02:54.28 | snowbird | dewi seems fine no got java |
| 02:54.29 | rahul | Shock: scheme doesn't have this |
| 02:54.41 | Shock | exception handling? |
| 02:54.45 | rahul | Shock: right |
| 02:54.59 | Shock | ok. i didn't know you were talking about exception handling in particular |
| 02:55.00 | rahul | the guys who did a lot of this stuff are working at my client, ITA Software |
| 02:55.28 | rahul | Weinreb in particular, also Scott McKay. |
| 02:55.32 | bib | ITA? |
| 02:55.54 | rahul | ITA. |
| 02:56.06 | bib | no clue |
| 02:56.16 | rahul | eh? |
| 02:56.21 | Shock | http://www.itasoftware.com/ |
| 02:56.21 | rahul | ok, then... |
| 02:56.30 | bib | oh |
| 02:57.06 | Shock | oh what? i don't keep this shit in my memory, i googled it. |
| 02:57.21 | karsten | Shock: What's Google |
| 02:57.24 | rahul | heh |
| 02:57.27 | karsten | Shock: ... is there a website that describes it? |
| 02:57.28 | bib | hahahaha |
| 02:57.41 | Ronin | karsten: google google? heh |
| 02:57.42 | Shock | karsten: yeah. hold on, i'll find it. |
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| 02:57.56 | bib | google is a wrong word |
| 02:58.06 | karsten | Shock: u hurry! I am in deadline! CRISIS!!!! |
| 02:58.12 | Ronin | bib: not any more, its replaced search |
| 02:58.17 | Shock | karsten: here: http://hotbot.com/?query=google |
| 02:58.21 | alkerbobo | karsten: Maybe he meant to say goggles? |
| 02:58.22 | Shock | karsten: it's the top result |
| 02:58.50 | rahul | hotbot! |
| 02:58.53 | Shock | YEAH |
| 02:59.13 | bib | is hotbot still alive? |
| 02:59.29 | karsten | MSN is 8th. |
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| 02:59.40 | Shock | bib: nah, it doesn't keep any of its own data, it uses other searchengines |
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| 02:59.57 | Shock | karsten: those are ASK's results |
| 03:00.09 | bib | I have 100+ search engine links, why google? |
| 03:00.48 | ProActive | I'm a newbie and I've created certificates using ./CA.sh -newca ./CA.sh -newreq and ./CA.sh -sign but now i don't know what files to use as TLSCACertificateFile, TLSCerificateFile and TLSCErtificateKeyFile on openldap slapd.conf, any help? |
| 03:00.56 | Dewi | snowbird: type: aptitude install && aptitude install sun-java5-jdk |
| 03:01.11 | Dewi | snowbird: does it complete without error? |
| 03:01.12 | karsten | ProActive: #apache |
| 03:01.21 | snowbird | dewi i already got it do i need to reinstal? |
| 03:01.22 | ProActive | karsten thanks |
| 03:01.38 | Dewi | snowbird: that won't reinstall, but it will finish if it didn't finish before |
| 03:01.46 | snowbird | ok |
| 03:01.48 | Dewi | snowbird: you said java wasn't working yet |
| 03:02.08 | Dewi | snowbird: if that completes successfully you should be able to type java -version |
| 03:02.13 | Bogus8 | anyone in here use thunar? |
| 03:02.32 | bib | with xfce? |
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| 03:02.45 | Niriven | . |
| 03:02.48 | Bogus8 | bib: that's what I'm using it on |
| 03:02.54 | bib | lol |
| 03:03.03 | bib | I used ROX |
| 03:03.26 | Bogus8 | ah, I'm trying to set it so it will follow symlinks... I assume that's possible |
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| 03:03.32 | karsten | Bogus8: /msg dpkg polls |
| 03:03.34 | Bogus8 | on a nfs mounted share |
| 03:03.35 | snowbird | dewi i do have java version there now il paste it |
| 03:03.50 | Bogus8 | karsten: I wasn't polling |
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| 03:04.07 | Bogus8 | I was wondering if someone used it for the sake of possibly knowing how to do what I am after |
| 03:04.14 | karsten | Bogus8: You were, not a problem, just don't. Just ask the question. |
| 03:04.43 | Bogus8 | karsten: I usually do.. just didn't think there was a need to ask if no one used it |
| 03:05.03 | Bogus8 | and now I have half a screen of useless text ;) |
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| 03:05.13 | karsten | Bogus8: You'll find out eventually. You'll ask one less question, and you'll avoid this useless side discussion. |
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| 03:05.37 | Bogus8 | karsten: it's quite funny... |
| 03:05.54 | snowbird | dewi http://channels.debian.net/paste/5176 |
| 03:06.23 | Bogus8 | I usually ask my question and wait patiently for an answer... yet I watch people that ask teh questions in the wrong way and they get their questions answered because they are getting "fussed at" at the same time |
| 03:06.52 | twobitsprite | Bogus8: ain't it funny how it works that way? |
| 03:06.59 | karsten | Bogus8: Often that answer is "go away". But yeah, can happen. |
| 03:06.59 | Bogus8 | it seems like breaking the rules/edicate draws more attention and gets your questions answered faster... not that I'm attempting to do that.. this just made me think of that |
| 03:07.14 | twobitsprite | geeks are touchy folks, if you don't present yourself just right, they're berate you or ignore you... |
| 03:07.19 | peterS | Ask. Or ask not. There is no 'poll' |
| 03:07.22 | Bogus8 | 9 times out of 10 they get the attention they are seeking |
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| 03:07.40 | Bogus8 | I got fussed at for repeating my questiong 20mins appart once |
| 03:07.57 | Bogus8 | a single msg question |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | twobitsp3ite: piss off! |
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| 03:08.06 | twobitsprite | Bogus8: I've developed a fairly successful approach... ask the question straightforwardly at first... wait a sec, and then expound on your question... repeat process until someone answers |
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| 03:08.21 | twobitsprite | abrotman: eh? |
| 03:08.25 | Ronin | twobitsprite: and then we /ignore or kick you for flooding |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:08.38 | twobitsprite | Ronin: you're miss reading me |
| 03:08.43 | karsten | !poll |
| 03:08.44 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 03:08.47 | karsten | dpkg: Forget poll |
| 03:08.47 | dpkg | karsten: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 03:08.51 | karsten | Feh. |
| 03:08.51 | twobitsprite | abrotman: :P |
| 03:08.52 | Bogus8 | twobitsprite: I rather stick to doing it in proper edicate |
| 03:08.52 | abrotman | twobitsp3ite: probably because you're mistyping :) |
| 03:08.54 | rahul | !penixstrike twobitsprite |
| 03:08.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking twobitsprite to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:08.58 | SerajewelKS | it seems to be that dvorak wasn't designed for writing html |
| 03:09.02 | karsten | peterS: I like it. |
| 03:09.10 | twobitsprite | lmao |
| 03:09.18 | rahul | HTML was not designed for being written |
| 03:09.26 | twobitsprite | SerajewelKS: there is no perfect keymap... I've tried several... |
| 03:09.26 | karsten | dpkg: nopoll is Ask. Or ask not. There is no 'poll' |
| 03:09.26 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 03:09.27 | peterS | HTML was not designed |
| 03:09.30 | SerajewelKS | rahul: good point |
| 03:09.34 | rahul | just like machine code was not designed for being written |
| 03:09.35 | twobitsprite | SerajewelKS: it's like looking for the perfect programming language |
| 03:09.37 | rahul | peterS: that, too |
| 03:09.38 | ProActive | well I've a problem with certificates, and tried apache channel but it's so quiet nothing to do with debian channel |
| 03:09.38 | karsten | peterS: It evolved? |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 03:09.39 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a linspire user |
| 03:09.40 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: yes i know, it was more of a joke |
| 03:09.47 | twobitsprite | you just have to accept that human hands were not designed for typing |
| 03:09.56 | karsten | abrotman: Ah, gee... |
| 03:10.09 | rahul | shouldn't that be ubuntu these days instead of linspire? |
| 03:10.14 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 03:10.14 | ProActive | as i'm using debian etch amd64 if someone wants to help me with certificates on the channel or in private i will apreciated |
| 03:10.15 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a linspire user |
| 03:10.20 | abrotman | it's supposed to be random |
| 03:10.21 | ProActive | and sorry for my english |
| 03:10.31 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:10.31 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:10.43 | rahul | heh |
| 03:10.49 | peterS | ProActive: something involving the 'ssl-cert' or 'ca-certificates' package, I suppose? |
| 03:10.51 | karsten | rahul: Only if you write enough factoids. |
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| 03:11.03 | enouf | !nie |
| 03:11.03 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: See what's New In Etch http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch .. changes from Sarge, technical issues when doing a Sarge2EtchUpgrade, etc .. |
| 03:11.04 | ProActive | Yes peters |
| 03:11.06 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 03:11.06 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a linspire user |
| 03:11.09 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:11.25 | ProActive | I don't know what files to use now that i've created them |
| 03:11.28 | abrotman | it is random!!!! |
| 03:11.46 | karsten | abrotman: With a p-value of 1? |
| 03:11.53 | abrotman | apparently |
| 03:11.59 | ProActive | can I put the problem in your private so I don't repeat in the channel? |
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| 03:12.15 | peterS | ProActive: no, ask here. some people know a lot more about certs than I do |
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| 03:12.43 | abrotman | peterS: i heard you once cracked an RSA key in your head! |
| 03:12.43 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, useless factoids is <reply> (The only thing worse than a useless factoid is a wrong factoid.|This is a useless factoid|Making useless factoids is useless.) |
| 03:12.43 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 03:12.43 | peterS | abrotman: it was only a 768-bit key though |
| 03:12.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:13.00 | peterS | abrotman: besides, I swear she said she was 18 |
| 03:13.07 | SerajewelKS | ProActive: i'd rather you not put anything in my privates, thanks |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | peterS: that's not nice! |
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| 03:13.37 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: don't worry .. i'm sure noone wants to get near your privates ... |
| 03:13.42 | ProActive | I can't start slapd, it says TLS: could not load verify locations (file:`/etc/ldap/tls/cacert.pem',dir:`'). main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1 |
| 03:14.08 | ProActive | I think i choosed the wrong file as TLSCACertificate |
| 03:14.15 | Bogus8 | anyone know how to get thunar to follow symlinks? (nfs mounted if that matters) |
| 03:14.24 | twobitsprite | dpkg: a useless factoid is also any factoid concerning factoids |
| 03:14.25 | dpkg | twobitsprite: okay |
| 03:14.41 | twobitsprite | (does dpkg recognize "also"?) |
| 03:14.46 | ProActive | SerajewelKS I don't use privates without permission, so don't worry |
| 03:14.59 | twobitsprite | ProActive: good motto for life |
| 03:15.03 | SerajewelKS | ProActive: good, i'm sure many women will thank you |
| 03:15.31 | demonjester | lol |
| 03:15.36 | bib | ... |
| 03:15.58 | SerajewelKS | just a few more lines of this and we'll have an quote irresistable even to the bash mods |
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| 03:16.17 | peterS | twobitsprite: what else would one do to amuse oneself while sewing a button on one's shirt? of course we'd sit in front of IRC. |
| 03:16.30 | twobitsprite | heh |
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| 03:17.15 | stoned | kmuto.jp/debian has managed to make the jmicron PATA controller on the Gigabyte P965 S3 motherboard. However, the gigabit ethernet is not being detected by d-i either. Does anyone have any information on this particular motherboard? |
| 03:17.22 | stoned | I'm having the worst time trying to install debian |
| 03:17.28 | bokey | itchi, what's going on ? |
| 03:17.36 | dendrite | twobitsprite: As long as it's a Debian thread... |
| 03:17.36 | bokey | itchi, :>) |
| 03:18.01 | bokey | itchi, ping |
| 03:18.29 | peterS | stoned: that's weird, gigabit ethernet chips are usually supported quite quickly in linux, since those are something of a 'server-class' feature and server vendors know very well how important linux is to their business |
| 03:19.17 | stoned | !find 2.6.19 |
| 03:19.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of '2.6.19' (1): (/usr/src/kernel-patches/diffs/badram/BadRAM-2.6.19.1.patch.gz) in devel/kernel-patch-badram. |
| 03:19.43 | peterS | no, kernel 2.6.19 is not in debian yet |
| 03:19.49 | stoned | not even in sid? |
| 03:19.51 | stoned | argh |
| 03:20.06 | peterS | correct. debian kernel people are concentrating on getting etch out, and etch will ship with 2.6.18 |
| 03:20.13 | stoned | well thas it... no more debian for me on this desktop |
| 03:20.21 | peterS | a new 2.6.18 was put in sid just today, destined for etch |
| 03:20.28 | stoned | is too much hassle to go through to get this thing to work |
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| 03:20.39 | jello | stoned: you can build your own following the kernel-handbook... |
| 03:20.46 | stoned | yes.. lazy |
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| 03:21.06 | dexemna | Ardour wants me to start JACK. How do I do that? |
| 03:21.21 | abrotman | install jackd |
| 03:22.02 | peterS | stoned: hmmm. http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?page=2&articleid=874 says it's a Marvell 88E8053.... |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | PC Porn ? |
| 03:22.40 | bokey | itchi, mitchi pokey bokey !=) |
| 03:23.09 | bokey | abrotman, hello :) |
| 03:23.16 | abrotman | hi |
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| 03:23.29 | peterS | stoned: ...and that in turn shows up in the 'sky2' kernel module |
| 03:23.29 | bokey | !seen itchi |
| 03:23.30 | dpkg | itchi is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 46 messages. Is idling for 2h 19m 4s, last said: 'concept10: At least, exaile is python stuff, so i get it ;-)'. |
| 03:23.50 | SkyRyder | anyone named mystic_flame |
| 03:23.52 | SkyRyder | hang out in here |
| 03:24.02 | bokey | lol |
| 03:24.14 | dexemna | Does Intel release the code of the drivers (or at least share hardware documentation) for pretty much every product they release? |
| 03:24.15 | peterS | stoned: so I don't know why a 2.6.18-based d-i would fail to recognise your LAN chip, it should just load 'sky2' |
| 03:24.35 | Dewi | dexemna: not every |
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| 03:24.39 | nvz | !seen mystic_flame |
| 03:24.39 | dpkg | mystic_flame <n=Opensour@85.138.114.151> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16d 4h 49m 21s ago, saying: 'debian etcho'. |
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| 03:24.42 | Dewi | dexemna: most notably wnics |
| 03:24.47 | dexemna | In terms of having a motherboard with an Intel chipset, do those ever run into driver issues in GNU/Linux? |
| 03:24.48 | karsten | Dewi: No |
| 03:24.53 | nvz | SkyRyder: seems so |
| 03:24.55 | peterS | dexemna: pretty much. they are reticent about releasing firmware source for their various wireless networking chips |
| 03:25.39 | peterS | dexemna: but for example their video chips (i945 etc) better supported than any other brand, they are _very_ cooperative there |
| 03:25.48 | dexemna | I ask because I'm upgrading my server soon and I'm deciding between AMD and Intel, and normally I wouldn't have a problem with AMD but now them and ATI are one. |
| 03:26.15 | dexemna | So I'm kind of hesitent to support that company due to the atrocious graphics driver situation |
| 03:26.16 | Dewi | indeed. |
| 03:26.31 | Dewi | they always seemed to get along so well with nvidia |
| 03:26.34 | Shizuku | I have an issue, I'm hoping someone here will be able to help me, I have a box without a monitor or support for integrated video, and I'm looking to find a way to install Debian on it, I've checked out the how-to's on installing debian, and wasn't able to find any information on installing headless, Does anyone have any suggestions / ideas? I have a CD Drive as well as a working network card in the box that I want to install on. |
| 03:26.37 | Dewi | who are at least a little better |
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| 03:27.04 | saobi | hi |
| 03:27.09 | saobi | have you guys pre-ordered vista yet? |
| 03:27.10 | dexemna | So now I think Intel might be a better option |
| 03:27.20 | Dewi | saobi: LOLLERSKATES |
| 03:27.26 | saobi | what? |
| 03:27.31 | twobitsprite | ROFLCOPTER |
| 03:27.33 | Dewi | saobi: is that meant to be funny? |
| 03:27.43 | saobi | no |
| 03:27.46 | Dewi | saobi: it just seemed like kind of a trollish gambit :P |
| 03:27.49 | alkerbobo | Well it IS the new debian |
| 03:27.50 | Dewi | saobi: sorry |
| 03:27.51 | saobi | amazon currently has it available u can pre-order |
| 03:27.54 | saobi | it's not a bad deal |
| 03:28.01 | abrotman | saobi: wrong channel |
| 03:28.03 | dexemna | *cough*TROLL*cough* |
| 03:28.08 | saobi | ? |
| 03:28.17 | Dewi | I love the innocent trolls |
| 03:28.20 | abrotman | !tell saobi about debian |
| 03:28.21 | saobi | so u guys are not pre-ordering? |
| 03:28.32 | alkerbobo | I've already ordered 17 copies |
| 03:28.34 | alkerbobo | I can't wait |
| 03:28.41 | DaveyB | Is there away i can flush my RAM? |
| 03:28.50 | demonjester | I've pirated 32 ;-) |
| 03:28.51 | saobi | 17? that's too much |
| 03:28.52 | Dewi | DaveyB: turn it off for a bit? |
| 03:28.53 | abrotman | DaveyB: reset button |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:29.05 | DaveyB | dewi, abrotman that's not the Linux way. |
| 03:29.06 | alkerbobo | DaveyB: You could but they don't work well when wet |
| 03:29.09 | jello | Shizuku: pxe boot and use d-i preseed |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | DaveyB: maybe ask #kernel |
| 03:29.19 | Dewi | DaveyB: you're the one talking about "flushing" |
| 03:29.22 | Bac9 | will anything aside from cryptoloop work in 2.4.33 |
| 03:29.38 | DaveyB | Dewi, What's wrong with the word flushing? |
| 03:29.57 | Dewi | DaveyB: well it sounds like you want the reboot when you're not doing a reboot |
| 03:30.09 | Shizuku | jello: Not sure my bios supports network boot |
| 03:30.40 | DaveyB | Dewi, exactly, I don't want to reboot. :) |
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| 03:30.41 | jello | Shizuku: boot via cd-rom with a serial console |
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| 03:31.21 | jello | Shizuku: otherwise, build your own d-i image with pre-seed values build in |
| 03:31.38 | twobitsprite | DaveyB: I assume you want to make sure that the data from a dead process is cleared? E.g. you're afraid that ssh leaves you password in memory or something? |
| 03:31.45 | Dewi | DaveyB: what's wrong with the way your RAM is? |
| 03:31.56 | Shizuku | Yeah, it might come down to that, is that basicly my only other option? |
| 03:32.06 | DaveyB | twobitsprite, Exactly. |
| 03:32.08 | peterS | stoned: btw it seems the 'sky2' module was new to kernel 2.6.16. so it isn't exactly _brand_ new now. |
| 03:32.17 | twobitsprite | DaveyB: just fill up your RAM with other stuff |
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| 03:32.21 | Dewi | DaveyB: wow that's pretty paranoid |
| 03:32.28 | jello | Shizuku: if you can't netboot, how do you expect to do interact with the install? |
| 03:32.33 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:32.47 | abrotman | DaveyB: so start a process that uses a lot of RAM |
| 03:32.48 | twobitsprite | Dewi: methings someone is doing something naughty |
| 03:33.03 | jello | Shizuku: if the nic is fairly recent (<5y) it should be able to netboot |
| 03:33.04 | dendrite | Shizuku: Can you install elsewhere, and to a disk transplant? |
| 03:33.13 | twobitsprite | DaveyB: that would require a reboot, no? :P |
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| 03:33.26 | Shizuku | Yes, the nic is most likely about a year old. |
| 03:33.32 | dexemna | twobitsprite: Nope. Virtualization! |
| 03:33.40 | jello | Shizuku: so you should be okay with netboot + pre-seed |
| 03:33.47 | twobitsprite | dexemna: that would work too |
| 03:33.49 | DaveyB | twobitsprite, It was a joke. Anyway thanks for the information, but I would of prefered away to just remove any dead processes or garbage collection failures etc. |
| 03:34.00 | Shizuku | Yeah, I could install to the harddrive on a different computer, and move the harddrive, would that work? |
| 03:34.09 | stoned | peterS, seems like kmuto.jp/debian has images with 2.6.19 that seem to pickup the jmicron pata and the gigabit eth |
| 03:34.13 | jello | Shizuku: a serial console would be helpful for debugging, but iirc there's an sshd udeb that will give you access as well |
| 03:34.17 | twobitsprite | DaveyB: well... when you kill a process, linux does an amazing job at dealocating its RAM, if that's what you mean |
| 03:34.26 | Guerin | eldowan: pwned! |
| 03:34.30 | peterS | stoned: oh - I wonder if kenshi muto just neglected to enable the sky2 module in earlier kernels.. |
| 03:34.37 | Shizuku | Yeah, that would be perfect then. |
| 03:34.40 | jello | Shizuku: or the transplant idea is a good one as well |
| 03:34.52 | Dewi | twobitsprite: probably doesn't write over it though |
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| 03:34.57 | stoned | peterS, the 2.6.19rc3 kernel image promises to work |
| 03:35.03 | Dewi | twobitsprite: I wonder if some suitably paranoid kernel dev has a flag for that somewhere |
| 03:35.07 | jello | Shizuku: again, with a headless install, serial (or network) console is extremely helpful |
| 03:35.13 | peterS | Shizuku: yeah, installing then moving the hard drive is a fairly common workaround for not being able to boot a CD or whatever |
| 03:35.24 | twobitsprite | Dewi: no... but his last statement made me think he was worried that a dead process would still be using RAM |
| 03:35.25 | saobi | hey, you linux fanboys, please get ur facts straight: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx |
| 03:35.39 | abrotman | !ops saobi trolling |
| 03:35.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: saobi trolling |
| 03:35.43 | stoned | oh jeez |
| 03:35.43 | peterS | abrotman: yeah I saw |
| 03:35.48 | Dewi | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:35.49 | maddash | lol |
| 03:35.50 | twobitsprite | Dewi: clearing all dealocated RAM would be awfully silly, IMHO |
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| 03:35.57 | abrotman | peterS: sorry .. didn't see you were active :) |
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| 03:36.00 | Shizuku | Alright, I guess I'll go the harddrive route, and try network boot as well if I have any issues. |
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| 03:36.12 | peterS | saobi: this is #debian, not ##linux-advocacy |
| 03:36.48 | Dewi | twobitsprite: depends how paranoid you are |
| 03:36.52 | Shizuku | Thanks for your help jello, peterS and dendrite :) |
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| 03:36.57 | maddash | actually, I think he was advocating windows server |
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| 03:37.06 | jello | Shizuku: no prob, and good luck |
| 03:37.08 | twobitsprite | Dewi: methinks that would make things very slow |
| 03:37.14 | twobitsprite | Dewi: but, to each their own |
| 03:37.23 | Dewi | twobitsprite: although if somebody has root enough to monitor your deallocated RAM, I dunno why they wouldn't just run a keylogger |
| 03:37.31 | Dewi | twobitsprite: or a rsa key snatcher |
| 03:37.52 | Dewi | twobitsprite: and no amount of RAM flushing will save you |
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| 03:38.39 | twobitsprite | Dewi: exactly... being paranoid about RAM contents to that extent, you might as well start encrypting your RAM... ohh, but then where would you store the key...? |
| 03:39.15 | jello | twobitsprite: on a usb flash drive, of course... |
| 03:39.23 | Dewi | jello: hahaha |
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| 03:39.46 | peterS | Dewi: the real danger with someone reading your ram is reading your swap file after they've stolen your laptop |
| 03:39.46 | twobitsprite | jello: one that has biometric security, and you have to swipe your thumbprint ever 5 seconds? |
| 03:40.04 | Dewi | peterS: mmm |
| 03:40.27 | peterS | Dewi: this is why a lot of people use encrypted swap - a key is randomly generated at boot time, so once you've rebooted the previous contents of swap are completely inaccessible |
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| 03:41.19 | CHodapp | it's metal, it is scratchy |
| 03:41.21 | twobitsprite | maddash: so they can't read your mind, silly! |
| 03:41.23 | peterS | maddash: tinfoil hats are used by paranoid people to prevent government satellites from controlling their minds |
| 03:41.35 | maddash | tinfoil isn't thick enough for that |
| 03:41.42 | twobitsprite | maddash: shhhh |
| 03:41.49 | peterS | it might be. nobody is sure what capabilities those satellites have |
| 03:41.55 | maddash | you'll need a bicycle helmet made of lead |
| 03:42.02 | maddash | :P |
| 03:42.11 | twobitsprite | bulk* |
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| 03:44.34 | markybob | abrotman, you should just encrypt everything, including your swap partition, like i do ;) |
| 03:44.42 | CHodapp | maddash: that story is awesome |
| 03:44.48 | twobitsprite | eh? |
| 03:44.52 | CHodapp | maddash: is it true or not? |
| 03:44.55 | twobitsprite | !p-p-powerbook |
| 03:44.56 | CHodapp | twobitsprite: google is your friend |
| 03:44.58 | markybob | abrotman, actually, could you make me a tin christmas tree? |
| 03:45.01 | maddash | CHodapp: I actually chortled milk through my nose when I read it |
| 03:45.15 | maddash | CHodapp: yes, judging from my e-mail queries to the guy |
| 03:45.55 | abrotman | markybob: what makes you think i was using the tinfoil/pencil for that? |
| 03:46.00 | maddash | markybob: you encrypt your entire HD? |
| 03:46.09 | Guerin | yes, the p-p-powerbook story is real |
| 03:46.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:46.15 | markybob | maddash, /home, /tmp and swap |
| 03:46.37 | maddash | twobitsprite: http://www.google.com/search?q=p-p-p-powerbook |
| 03:46.39 | abrotman | markybob: silly question .. but wouldn't another user on your system have unencrypted access to /tmp and swap ? |
| 03:46.52 | markybob | abrotman, there is no other user. this is my laptop :) |
| 03:46.53 | maddash | markybob: how? |
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| 03:47.02 | maddash | markybob: what algo, I mean |
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| 03:47.15 | markybob | maddash, aes. dm_crypt luks |
| 03:47.24 | abrotman | markybob: that's not the question! |
| 03:47.48 | twobitsprite | maddash: found it already, thanks |
| 03:47.49 | maddash | markybob: 128-bit, rah? |
| 03:48.00 | maddash | twobitsprite: enjoy :) |
| 03:48.05 | markybob | maddash, no. i use 256 |
| 03:48.25 | markybob | maddash dual-core turion 56...so it's not really a problem |
| 03:48.56 | maddash | markybob: what if you lost power while *crypting? |
| 03:48.59 | markybob | abrotman, how about pam mount? it's reencrypted when someone else logs in |
| 03:49.12 | abrotman | markybob: concurrent users |
| 03:49.20 | markybob | abrotman, ah. i see what you mean |
| 03:49.28 | abrotman | markybob: yes or no ? |
| 03:49.57 | markybob | abrotman, you're right. |
| 03:50.03 | maddash | seriously, what if you lost power while *crypting? |
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| 03:50.21 | markybob | maddash, you lose |
| 03:50.28 | Nighteye | hello |
| 03:50.33 | abrotman | markybob: now you've ruined my faith |
| 03:51.44 | markybob | abrotman, have pam mount use a swap file inside ~/. then set the tmp env to something also in ~/. have ~/ encrypted and mounted with pam. how's that? |
| 03:51.50 | peterS | what if you do lose power while encrypting? it's no worse than losing power while you're writing a disk block. that block will not have correct data in it, that's all |
| 03:51.56 | Nighteye | ok |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | markybob: and /tmp/ ? |
| 03:52.05 | maddash | I actually considered full-hd encryption at one point, but realized how easy it'd be for me to get screwed over |
| 03:52.14 | Guerin | yeh |
| 03:52.18 | maddash | peterS: that's what I said earlier |
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| 03:52.32 | Guerin | i mean, it's great that it's *possible* to avail yourself of such hard crypto, if you need to |
| 03:52.44 | markybob | abrotman, cant that be set to a place in ~/ by an environment variable? |
| 03:52.58 | Guerin | but the number of people in this world who actually need to is very close to zero |
| 03:52.59 | abrotman | markybob: what about the system /tmp/ ? |
| 03:53.26 | markybob | abrotman, blah |
| 03:53.45 | abrotman | markybob: i'm just wondering if it would work for a multi-user system .. but it doesn't sound that way |
| 03:53.58 | maddash | I think it's much more viable to encrypt the MBR parititon table |
| 03:54.10 | zinx | why would you do that |
| 03:54.24 | maddash | or intra-partition encryption |
| 03:54.35 | maddash | instead of what markybob's doing... |
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| 03:54.46 | zinx | you have no clue what you're saying, do you? |
| 03:55.09 | maddash | oh? |
| 03:55.17 | maddash | how not? |
| 03:55.30 | peterS | maddash: whatever is the use of encrypting the MBR partition table? that can be pretty much deduced anyway with little effort, using tech like gpart |
| 03:55.35 | zinx | you say crap like encrypt the MBR (that's completely useless) |
| 03:55.52 | zinx | and "intra-partition encryption" like it's somehow different from encrypted files or encrypting the partition |
| 03:55.56 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:56.05 | Guerin | !made-up terminology |
| 03:56.09 | Guerin | !made up terminology |
| 03:56.19 | Guerin | bah, i know there's a factoid for this occasion |
| 03:56.27 | maddash | erm. it's called being descriptive. |
| 03:56.37 | maddash | who said anything about "terminology"? |
| 03:56.51 | zinx | that's not what i'd call it, when you suggest what's already been suggested, using a fancy name, and saying it's new :D |
| 03:57.03 | maddash | secondly, zinx's and peterS' initial pts are true |
| 03:57.17 | maddash | zinx I never said it was new. read more carefully. |
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| 03:57.34 | zinx | <maddash> instead of what markybob's doing... |
| 03:57.43 | maddash | which is why I suggested the second thing |
| 03:57.49 | maddash | zinx so? |
| 03:58.00 | zinx | "hey, do the same thing instead of doing that thing" |
| 03:58.05 | maddash | zinx he's encrypting whole partitions |
| 03:58.34 | maddash | zinx: or maybe whole directories, but it's just as bad |
| 03:58.35 | zinx | <markybob> abrotman, have pam mount use a swap file inside ~/. then set the tmp env to something also in ~/. have ~/ encrypted and mounted with pam. how's that? |
| 03:58.45 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
| 03:58.46 | zinx | wtf do you think "intra-partition" means |
| 03:59.22 | maddash | [22:46] markybob: maddash, /home, /tmp and swa |
| 03:59.43 | maddash | if you can't figure it out, you'd probably be in need of some English classes. |
| 03:59.58 | zinx | ... |
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| 04:00.03 | zinx | you just lost :/ |
| 04:02.02 | Guerin | not for the first time |
| 04:02.05 | maddash | look up "intra-." then look "hyphen." |
| 04:02.23 | zinx | maddash: look up "it means exactly the same thing as was already described a few times" |
| 04:02.26 | peterS | you know, guys, this hasn't been a productive discussion for ... oh, say the last 10 minutes |
| 04:02.30 | peterS | you could stop any time |
| 04:02.57 | zinx | maddash: and "quoting a description someone made won't prove what you're suggesting wasn't described before" |
| 04:03.17 | maddash | zinx: you lost me at "\ |
| 04:03.18 | zinx | maddash: if encrypted ~/ isn't "intra-partition encryption", then i don't know what the hell is |
| 04:03.19 | maddash | "" |
| 04:03.41 | MatBoy | wow win4lin seems to be better than vmware ! |
| 04:03.43 | maddash | zinx: his ~ could be a whole other partition |
| 04:03.46 | sid | hehe, I bet a lot of people are going to encrypt their file systems loop back by default now when etch is released. |
| 04:03.54 | zinx | maddash: what kind of nutter's going to do that |
| 04:03.54 | markybob | MatBoy, you're wrong in so many different ways |
| 04:04.08 | maddash | zinx: you just lost. |
| 04:04.17 | zinx | maddash: you? |
| 04:04.22 | MatBoy | markybob, I'm very used to vmare, let me try this one |
| 04:04.29 | MatBoy | *vmware |
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| 04:04.51 | peterS | take it elsewhere please |
| 04:04.53 | itchi | MatBoy: :-p |
| 04:05.11 | MatBoy | itchi, ff naar je kanaal |
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| 04:05.25 | itchi | MatBoy: Yup, just saw your msg |
| 04:05.44 | itchi | bokey: You have ask me? |
| 04:06.09 | itchi | bokey: You like to ping it looks ;-) |
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| 04:08.56 | abrotman | peterS: you're just jealous because your P150 can't do partition encryption! |
| 04:09.04 | peterS | abrotman: yeah that's probably it |
| 04:09.06 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 04:10.08 | Guerin | maddash does seem to have that effect on people |
| 04:10.25 | Guerin | has a thing for nitpicking his way into arguments about whether he's wrong or not |
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| 04:11.04 | Guerin | i've not yet decided whether it's that he genuinely doesn't know how stupid some of the things he says are, or if he's a very subtle troll |
| 04:11.41 | abrotman | a implies b! |
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| 04:14.21 | markybob | abrotman, i dont think anyone wants to rehash what just happened, but if you find a way to make it effective in a multi-user system, i'd appreciate to hear how. |
| 04:14.57 | abrotman | markybob: then we'd all win .. where's the sense in that :) |
| 04:15.05 | markybob | good point ;) |
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| 04:16.34 | peterS | prepare for reentry |
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| 04:16.57 | itchi | boe |
| 04:16.59 | itchi | :-) |
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| 04:18.29 | zinx | markybob: try encfs (but beware the permission craziness), and TMP/TMPDIR=~/tmp or so, and an encrypted swap partition (one of the easier things to set up) |
| 04:18.53 | zinx | markybob: you may want to mount a tmp partition like the encrypted swap, or just make it a tmpfs |
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| 04:19.38 | abrotman | you missed the point .. but nice try .. |
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| 04:19.54 | Andymeows | Hi, can someone help me? I want to know how I can associate my domain name with my linux server |
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| 04:20.10 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: with DNS of course! |
| 04:20.21 | demonjester | hehe |
| 04:20.23 | markybob | Andymeows, bind is your friend |
| 04:20.25 | Andymeows | hehe, how do I change the DNS? |
| 04:21.00 | Andymeows | is bind a program or a website? |
| 04:21.03 | markybob | Andymeows, you read a bind how-to? assuming your running your own dns. if you're not, then you go to the site of whoever is running your dns and change the hostname/ip info there |
| 04:21.18 | markybob | Andymeows, it's a program. dns server |
| 04:21.24 | demonjester | probably with your registrar unless you are running your own dns servers which I doubt based on your question |
| 04:21.45 | peterS | Andymeows: bind (debian package 'bind9') is the usual DNS server software you can run. running your own DNS server may or may not be what you want. |
| 04:21.46 | Andymeows | oh, I see, I registered through godaddy |
| 04:22.05 | Andymeows | I have a virtual private server |
| 04:22.32 | markybob | Andymeows, http://www.precisionweb.net/dns/dns_godaddy.htm |
| 04:22.43 | Andymeows | I used DNS forwarding on godaddy, but it just sends my browser to my server's ip |
| 04:23.18 | markybob | Andymeows, ...that's what it's supposed to do. i...what are you asking, then? |
| 04:23.35 | Andymeows | so it would show up as my domain in the URL |
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| 04:23.54 | markybob | Andymeows, you mean your web site. in which case you need to configure apache properly |
| 04:24.00 | markybob | Andymeows, so go read an apache how-to |
| 04:24.10 | Andymeows | oooh, that's apache's deal? |
| 04:24.16 | markybob | is this guy for real? |
| 04:25.37 | Andymeows | I didn't know |
| 04:25.38 | markybob | Andymeows, if you dont know what bind or apache is, you have no reason to have a "server" under your control. |
| 04:25.39 | Andymeows | I have the server so I can learn about bind and apache |
| 04:25.40 | markybob | Andymeows, buy a book |
| 04:25.48 | Andymeows | I got apache set up on my own |
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| 04:26.30 | markybob | Andymeows, you set it up on your own but didnt know that it was in charge of showing a website to your browser? |
| 04:26.31 | markybob | c'mon |
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| 04:27.06 | maddash | LOL |
| 04:27.20 | Andymeows | I knew that, I just didn't know that apache needed to be configured to show the domain name |
| 04:27.25 | maddash | demonjester: actually, the apache were one of the more peaceful tribes |
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| 04:28.07 | demonjester | maddash: I know I was just being a smart a$$, the beer must be taking effect ;-) |
| 04:28.21 | Andymeows | Thanks markybob! |
| 04:29.13 | stoned | peterS, if I use the kmuto sarge images, and want to switch to sid, do I simply put the kernel packages on hold to prevent apt from upgrading them? |
| 04:29.26 | Andymeows | btw my web site is www.andymeows.info |
| 04:29.30 | maddash | sid: what did you mean "loopback"? |
| 04:29.47 | sid | !loopback |
| 04:29.48 | dpkg | i heard loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages. a driver to handle files as if they were devices. |
| 04:29.53 | stoned | !kmuto |
| 04:29.56 | peterS | stoned: sid won't have the same packages anyway, most likely. kernel packages change names often, so it's usually not a matter of 'upgrading' but 'adding a new kernel' |
| 04:29.58 | sid | bleh |
| 04:30.27 | stoned | peterS, how do you mean |
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| 04:30.49 | maddash | sid: I meant this: [23:03] sid: hehe, I bet a lot of people are going to encrypt their file systems loop back by default now when etch is released. |
| 04:31.16 | peterS | stoned: if the kmuto d-i has, for example, package 'linux-image-2.6.18-3-686', current sid (as of tomorrow, anyway) has package 'linux-image-2.6.18-4-686', which is not the same package name, so it won't automatically upgrade to it |
| 04:32.00 | stoned | peterS, but if used with dist-upgrade it can/will? |
| 04:32.35 | stoned | peterS, what I want is that kernel to support my HW, on top of sid, not sarge. What steps should I take to do this? |
| 04:33.11 | peterS | stoned: I wouldn't worry too much about it - if you're going to sid, obviously you don't care about reliability, so it's just as likely the sid kernel will drive your hardware as kmuto's kernel will |
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| 04:34.57 | stoned | peterS, basically all I need is sid + support for jmicron pata controller + marvel gigabit eth |
| 04:35.26 | peterS | stoned: sid 2.6.18 has the sky2 module so I don't see why it wouldn't support your marvell eth. shrug. |
| 04:35.45 | stoned | peterS, ok, then what about the PATA controller |
| 04:36.00 | stoned | is there a way to add that support in a 2.6.18 kernel say in etch/sid |
| 04:37.53 | kalila | is there a utility to set the speed of the CPU fan? |
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| 04:38.17 | maddash | kalila: ibm-acpi? |
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| 04:38.40 | peterS | stoned: I don't know anything about the PATA controller. is it AHCI? the 2.6.18 'ahci' module should do for it if so ... though I can't tell you for sure whether the ahci driver handles PATA as well as SATA. |
| 04:39.15 | kalila | maddash: works for non thinkpads? |
| 04:39.33 | maddash | kalila: probably not. what machine are you using? |
| 04:39.36 | stoned | peterS, it is jmicron JMB363 Parallel ATA controller |
| 04:39.50 | kalila | maddash: just one I built a few years ago |
| 04:39.58 | peterS | stoned: right, I saw that, I just don't know anything about that chip. but the JMB361 and JMB365 are both ahci. |
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| 04:40.44 | peterS | stoned: ...in fact, yes, ahci _does_ claim to handle the JMB363 |
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| 04:40.46 | JesseT77 | Hello. :) |
| 04:40.56 | maddash | kalila: what motherboard are you using? |
| 04:41.39 | maddash | !hello |
| 04:41.39 | dpkg | Hi, maddash! |
| 04:41.47 | JesseT77 | I've got a couple of debian packages (webmin-core and webmin-cpan) kind of half stuck on my system. I would like to remove/purge them, but dpkg keeps getting errors no matter what way you try to process them. |
| 04:42.27 | kalila | maddash: Asus |
| 04:42.27 | kalila | AGP, P4 2.53 |
| 04:42.31 | kalila | really forgot the rest, 5 years ago |
| 04:42.34 | stoned | peterS, the etch d-i did not pick it up. CDROM couldn't get detected no matter which module I used in expert mode |
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| 04:43.01 | peterS | stoned: did you use the boot flag 'libata_atapi=1' or whatever that is? I think it's documented when you hit f1 and friends at the boot: prompt |
| 04:43.27 | stoned | peterS, hm.. no I did not, however usually always read that stuff |
| 04:43.46 | maddash | kalila: sorry, I don't know how to deal with that. the kernel driver you need is probably motherboard specific |
| 04:43.51 | stoned | peterS, I saw it, I never tried it. Let me give it a shot |
| 04:43.56 | peterS | stoned: for the combination of a SATA driver and a CDROM drive, you usually do need that flag |
| 04:44.13 | peterS | I don't know why it isn't on by default. I guess there have been some stability concerns about atapi pass-through in libata |
| 04:45.59 | JesseT77 | Does anyone have advise on how to unstuck a debian package? |
| 04:46.08 | jello | JesseT77: unstuck? |
| 04:46.14 | peterS | JesseT77: can you use a paste site to show the errors when you 'dpkg --remove' the package? |
| 04:46.24 | JesseT77 | yesh, just a mo |
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| 04:48.02 | JesseT77 | http://pastebin.ca/327688 |
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| 04:49.51 | user01 | etch is going to be released soon? |
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| 04:50.04 | sid | !tell user01 about wir |
| 04:50.12 | user01 | i just did that |
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| 04:50.42 | JesseT77 | peterS, http://pastebin.ca/327688 -- it appears as though some files are not where uninstall scripts (or configure scripts or anything else) would like to see them. |
| 04:50.44 | user01 | sid: i just installed etch anyway it seems to work fine :) |
| 04:51.23 | peterS | !find sbin/update-webmin sid |
| 04:51.31 | user01 | i was suprised to see ice weasel instead of firefox didnt realize there was a falling out |
| 04:51.40 | peterS | JesseT77: you could just install the package that has update-webmin in it. dpkg should be telling us shortly what package that is |
| 04:52.25 | krazykit | user01, there was no "falling out", just the name and logo are not Free enough. |
| 04:53.05 | JesseT77 | dpkg (neither on chan nor on my box ;) is no longer on my side, lol! |
| 04:53.05 | dpkg | JesseT77: that's too long |
| 04:53.17 | JesseT77 | see?! it taunts me! |
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| 04:53.47 | krazykit | !taunt JesseT77 |
| 04:53.47 | dpkg | looks at JesseT77's dirty underwear and _squeals_ with glee. |
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| 04:54.23 | markybob | JesseT77, so fake it. touch /usr/sbin/update-webmin && chmod +x /usr/sbin/update-webmin && dpkg --purge webmin-cpan && rm /usr/sbin/update-webmin ? |
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| 04:54.34 | user01 | krazykit: thats not the impression i got from the iceweasel entry in wikipedia: The term "ice weasel" appeared earlier in a line fictionally attributed by Matt Groening to Friedrich Nietzsche: "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra when suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come." |
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| 04:55.29 | peterS | JesseT77: yeah, that's not a bad plan really |
| 04:55.31 | user01 | its not a happy image |
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| 04:56.21 | JesseT77 | W00t, that's a plan that worked, actually. |
| 04:56.36 | peterS | user01: it's funny, though. there are those of us who think iceweasel is The. Perfect. Name. anyway, yes, there was a falling-out of sorts. but the negative connotations of the name aren't because of that, we just think the name is cool. |
| 04:56.37 | JesseT77 | Thenk ye kindly, peterS, markybob :) |
| 04:56.46 | markybob | JesseT77, why is my advice working so surprising? have some faith, man ;) |
| 04:56.57 | user01 | peterS: i think it is a great name :D |
| 04:57.05 | Decepticon | how do i configure ZNC? |
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| 04:58.11 | mfrisch | znc? |
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| 04:58.20 | Decepticon | dpkg -l znc |
| 04:58.20 | dpkg | ii znc 1.5-2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 04:58.28 | Decepticon | wtf... |
| 04:58.37 | liable | hehe |
| 04:58.45 | user01 | peterS: Clint Eastwood already starred in something called firefox...im suprised firefox doesnt violate that name copyright |
| 04:58.58 | user01 | ice weasel is more original and clever |
| 04:59.08 | rahul | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 04:59.09 | dpkg | ii dpkg 1.4-5 rahul's private porn collection |
| 04:59.16 | peterS | user01: names can't be copyrighted. what you get is a trademark. and trademarks are limited to a particular field. nobody is going to confuse a browser with a movie. |
| 04:59.16 | rahul | haha |
| 04:59.16 | Dewi | user01: trademarks are specific to the sector in which they occurred. Web browsers are not movies. |
| 04:59.18 | rahul | YES!! |
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| 04:59.46 | user01 | Dewi: really? thought it depended on the country |
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| 05:00.29 | n3kl_ | How can I find all the files on my system writable by the group 'users' ? I thought find / -group users -perm +g+w would do it, but I guess not. Any ideas? |
| 05:00.35 | user01 | Dewi: i wonder how xiao xiao won has trademark case against nike for his stickman |
| 05:01.08 | user01 | nike used the stickman in commercials, xiao xiao in flash games/movies |
| 05:01.18 | Dewi | user01: both are movies |
| 05:01.19 | peterS | you'd think the city of Nice, France would have a case against Nike. their original name (in Greek) was indeed 'Nike' |
| 05:01.32 | mystic_touch | someone knows some good website whith basic linux security |
| 05:01.55 | liable | linuxsecurity.org? |
| 05:01.57 | user01 | Dewi: oh thought a commercial is something else |
| 05:02.18 | Dewi | user01: somebody could easily confuse a commercial and a flash animation |
| 05:02.37 | Dewi | user01: but nobody is going to download firefox expecting to see clint eastwood |
| 05:02.37 | mystic_touch | i'm newbie lol i need to learn from somewhere lol :) |
| 05:02.45 | user01 | Dewi: commercials are sometimeflash animation |
| 05:02.47 | mystic_touch | apointed :) |
| 05:03.19 | Dewi | user01: trademark law revolves around the concept of "identification", or "association" |
| 05:03.27 | mzperx | Hi ! Sometimes famd is using my CPU ~100 % (so I restart it every time). How could I track back whether one of it's client behaves incorrectly ? |
| 05:03.31 | user01 | Dewi: what if my firefox browser homepage is set to imdb entry of eastwoodÅ› firefox? |
| 05:03.48 | Dewi | user01: the xiao xiao case you mention is a copyright case, which is a totally different kind of intellectual property protection |
| 05:03.59 | Dewi | user01: copyright, patenting, and trademarks are all totally different |
| 05:04.07 | user01 | Dewi: ok thanks |
| 05:04.19 | mzilikazi | mzperx: i used gamin instead of fam for that reason |
| 05:05.02 | peterS | user01: then I don't think you can distribute that browser. the mozilla firefox people are a bit strict about what modifications you can make to your browser and still call it firefox. this is the reason debian has renamed it. |
| 05:05.05 | Dewi | user01: but in summary trademarking is about clarity of *identification* - "I don't want people confusing another guy's products for mine" |
| 05:05.29 | Dewi | user01: copyright is about protecting your ability to make a living off your work - "I don't want somebody making money off my stories or characters" |
| 05:05.34 | peterS | user01: google has paid mozilla a certain amount of money to put their search bar in the default firefox home page - that's why they care whether you change that page in your distribution |
| 05:05.45 | mzperx | mzilikazi: what was your reason exactly ? 100% CPU usage ? Was it a famd or a client issue ? |
| 05:05.45 | Dewi | user01: patenting is about protecting your ability to make money off an idea |
| 05:06.06 | markybob | peterS, certain amount...that's one way to put it. hundreds of millions is another ;) |
| 05:06.19 | peterS | markybob: was it hundreds of millions? I really have no idea how much it was |
| 05:06.21 | Dewi | markybob: sounds like free money to me |
| 05:06.26 | user01 | Dewi: well . . . in cases of satire you are allowed to though i thought |
| 05:06.30 | Dewi | markybob: I mean... who are they gonna set it to? MSN Live Search? |
| 05:06.39 | Dewi | markybob: it was going to be google anyway, and always has been |
| 05:06.50 | markybob | peterS, as i understand it, it's a per hit type of thing about about six months ago they had already gotten 75 million. it's my assumption that now they're way past that |
| 05:06.54 | mzilikazi | mzperx: yes - high cpu usage but i dunno if it was a client issue or?? gamin was the alternative and it seems to be much better behaved |
| 05:06.58 | user01 | Dewi: like when leslie neilsen dressed up like the energizer bunny for coors |
| 05:07.07 | peterS | markybob: that is, as we say in the business, real money |
| 05:07.17 | mzilikazi | i've also heard others complain about high cpu usage w/ fam |
| 05:07.25 | user01 | energizer lost that case |
| 05:07.33 | Dewi | user01: yes, satirical usage is considered enough of a "new work" to usually get by. I think some countries specifically mention it in the law too |
| 05:08.04 | Dewi | user01: that's for copyright... for trademark you still have to be careful I think |
| 05:08.25 | peterS | right, satire is specifically allowed by US copyright law at least |
| 05:08.31 | markybob | peterS, it's really rather interesting...all you have to do to live incredibly richly is create something that you can somehow link to google. |
| 05:08.43 | Dewi | user01: for example usually in satires the name is slightly changed - this is because satire will get you past copyright but not necessary trademarks (I think) |
| 05:09.03 | markybob | peterS, and UK |
| 05:09.05 | user01 | Dewi: could you get around software patents with the same principle? say my software is a parody of oracle´s? :) |
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| 05:09.23 | peterS | no. patent law doesn't make any provisions for satire. |
| 05:09.28 | Dewi | user01: there was that "winblows operating system" a while back |
| 05:09.28 | rahul | user01: patents can't be parodied |
| 05:09.33 | rahul | that makes no sense. |
| 05:09.37 | mzilikazi | is it just me or is aptitude slower than apt? - specifically apt-cache search is much quicker to return results than aptitude search |
| 05:09.43 | Dewi | user01: but you can't really parody the actual code |
| 05:09.55 | peterS | mzilikazi: correct. aptitude has horrible startup costs, so I always use apt-cache instead |
| 05:10.02 | user01 | just put a bunch of comments in the code :) |
| 05:10.03 | rahul | you could parody it, but it would have to work completely differently |
| 05:10.11 | Dewi | peterS: buy some RAM :) |
| 05:10.14 | rahul | user01: a commentary is not a parody |
| 05:10.17 | user01 | like #what was he thinking??!!! |
| 05:10.18 | markybob | rahul, i just have to ask you, man...what's your ethnic background? your name's been playing with my head for too many years |
| 05:10.23 | rahul | heh |
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| 05:10.30 | rahul | markybob: use google, foo |
| 05:10.32 | peterS | Dewi: I have half a gig, that should be enough to run _anything_. if something in debian can't run in half a gig of ram, we have problems. |
| 05:10.52 | Dewi | rahul: I have also been wondering about your ethnic background because I wanted to know whether to just start being needlessly rude to you and stuff |
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| 05:11.09 | Dewi | sorry markybob :) |
| 05:11.17 | user01 | rahul: it depends on what ur doing a parody of |
| 05:11.20 | rahul | Dewi: heh, you can be needlessly rude without knowing my ethnic background :P |
| 05:11.30 | rahul | user01: no, that's what a parody means |
| 05:11.45 | Dewi | rahul: I think it was somebody in this channel who said "we are equal opportunity misanthropists" |
| 05:11.47 | mzperx | mzilikazi: apt-cache search gamin gives me nothing, wich package should I use ? Is it part of gnome ? |
| 05:11.48 | rahul | user01: you are poking fun at the thing by acting like it |
| 05:11.49 | peterS | Dewi: if you only care about getting his ethnicity down to the subcontinent, that should be pretty trivial to guess based on his name |
| 05:12.02 | markybob | rahul, i would've guessed indian, but your english is incredibly good. even for an american. just nothing about you seems to fit |
| 05:12.09 | rahul | heh |
| 05:12.11 | Dewi | way too good to be an american |
| 05:12.25 | HymnToLife | agreed :p |
| 05:12.28 | mzilikazi | mzperx: i run sid on all of my workstations so apt-cache policy says: |
| 05:12.29 | Dewi | okay that's enough trolling for now |
| 05:12.29 | peterS | markybob: what? all Indians I know speak excellent English. and you can't hear any specific accent on IRC |
| 05:12.29 | rahul | you callin' me unmer'cun?!?!? |
| 05:12.31 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.32 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.47 | Dewi | british people around now will KNOW how well indians speak english |
| 05:12.50 | rahul | ahmma gunna HUNT you deawn. |
| 05:12.52 | user01 | rahul: a parody at its most basic is justa reworkingof something |
| 05:13.02 | peterS | rahul: ok, _usually_ you can't hear an accent on IRC. |
| 05:13.14 | rahul | user01: with the intent to poke fun of it |
| 05:13.21 | peterS | user01: rahul is right. parody requires imitation. if you aren't imitating something, you aren't parodying it. |
| 05:13.22 | dendrite | peterS: If u say so... ;-) |
| 05:13.24 | markybob | peterS, i suppose. i really have a hard time understanding them. i even have a hard time understanding the british. i always have to turn on subtitles when there's a brit talking |
| 05:13.28 | user01 | user01: like drawing a mustache on themona lisa |
| 05:13.50 | peterS | markybob: it sounds like you're referring to accent and pronunciation. that has nothing to do with the written language |
| 05:13.52 | Dewi | markybob: that's insane |
| 05:13.55 | mystic_touch | peterS the interesting is the persons understand all no mather the language we use |
| 05:14.03 | Dewi | markybob: I assume you mean liverpool or glasgow or something |
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| 05:14.16 | rahul | yorkshire is worse |
| 05:14.24 | liable | its the british sense of humour thats hard to understand mostly |
| 05:14.26 | markybob | Dewi, i never claimed to not be an idiot. ;) i just have a really difficult time with accents |
| 05:14.37 | user01 | rahul: i think youre thinking of a satire |
| 05:15.07 | rahul | user01: right. a parody has to use the structure of that to poke fun of someting _else_ |
| 05:15.14 | Dewi | markybob: then again, US can be pretty insular. Everywhere else you grow up exposed to a lot of different accents. usually american :) |
| 05:15.17 | rahul | but it has to be repurposed for making fun of that |
| 05:15.31 | rahul | I never grew up in an insular part of the US |
| 05:15.48 | rahul | even when I went to Texas, it was ethnically diverse |
| 05:15.49 | mzilikazi | markybob: you and me both w/ the british subtitles - i love british humor but damned if i can understand em half the time |
| 05:16.06 | Dewi | rahul: I kind of meant the mass media. There's not much importation of media in America, compared to everywhere else in the world |
| 05:16.08 | acu | hey guys, the Debian website is like dead - nothing happens for months on front page - the weekly news was really cool - how can that be restarted? |
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| 05:16.24 | rahul | mzilikazi: wot?? you sayin' I'm tolkin' wif an accent, is ya? |
| 05:16.32 | markybob | mzilikazi, seen the british version of the office, i hope? |
| 05:16.33 | liable | acu: weekly news was just released about 2 days ago |
| 05:16.42 | Dewi | liable: ooh |
| 05:16.50 | mfrisch | rahul: your tokin ;-0~ |
| 05:16.53 | Dewi | liable: did he ungrow the hump or did somebody else take over? |
| 05:16.56 | rahul | heh |
| 05:17.14 | liable | Dewi: he is still doing it |
| 05:17.15 | acu | liable: that was quarterly news - thanks God - I checked weekly news every day since last one |
| 05:17.20 | rahul | Dewi: oh, the New Yorker and the BBC is about as mass media as I get |
| 05:17.30 | mzilikazi | rahul: smokin a fag on a lorry might get you some strange looks in the usa i reckon ;) |
| 05:17.36 | rahul | heh |
| 05:17.42 | markybob | lorry? wtf? |
| 05:17.46 | liable | acu: the editor has kinda thrown a bit of a wobbly, so it doesnt come out as often |
| 05:17.51 | rahul | one of my buddies always says, let's go outside and suck on a fag |
| 05:17.53 | mzilikazi | lorry is a truck afaik |
| 05:17.54 | mzperx | mzilikazi: thanx, but I don't get how could I install gamin knowing your system's policy. ( I have sarge ) |
| 05:17.59 | markybob | heh |
| 05:17.59 | liable | mzilikazi: haha |
| 05:18.04 | mfrisch | mzilikazi: we don't smoke fag |
| 05:18.05 | rahul | (both of us grew up in the US) |
| 05:18.18 | mzilikazi | mfrisch: what do you do w/ a fag then? |
| 05:18.19 | peterS | they should ban fags from public buildings |
| 05:18.23 | rahul | put the fags in the boot of the lorry |
| 05:18.32 | Dewi | hmm |
| 05:18.37 | rahul | peterS: they did, in NYC :P |
| 05:18.40 | Dewi | wait a minute |
| 05:18.41 | markybob | rahul, ha! so, what do you call yourself, anyway? indian american? (that sounds weird with the whole native american thing) |
| 05:18.42 | rahul | peterS: sucking on them, at least |
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| 05:18.49 | Dewi | do brits not have that usage too? |
| 05:18.50 | rahul | markybob: I am nonexistent. |
| 05:18.51 | peterS | those of you who haven't caught on yet, btw: 'fag' == 'cigarette' |
| 05:18.54 | markybob | heh |
| 05:18.59 | user01 | rahul: so would wearing only pants to a job in britain |
| 05:19.07 | TTT | hi, is it possible to use traffic shaping to limit not the bandwidth but the number of open connections? |
| 05:19.08 | Dewi | peterS: both usages are equally well established here |
| 05:19.17 | Dewi | peterS: (.au) |
| 05:19.35 | acu | liable: it is a more dificult task than it seem - you really need to know where to read - then to synthesize properly - only an experienced Debianer can do that - though I wonder if can be assigned to newbies to to small titbits |
| 05:19.44 | peterS | Dewi: right, people in .us may not realise it though. I wanted to make sure nobody thought we were referring to homosexuals here |
| 05:19.48 | rahul | Dewi: so what exactly do you say if someone asks if you'd like to buy a fag to suck on it? |
| 05:19.57 | mzilikazi | i recall a monty python episode from way back when - some people had sheeps in the wall - damn that was funny |
| 05:20.04 | Dewi | rahul: I'd probably insinuate something about them |
| 05:20.11 | Dewi | rahul: but I wouldn't be confused |
| 05:20.15 | liable | acu: you can certainly help, by sending in bits that you think are worthy, i think the home page for it mentions this |
| 05:20.18 | Dewi | rahul: british might I guess... I just don't know |
| 05:20.19 | rahul | Dewi: which meaning would they intend? |
| 05:20.38 | Dewi | rahul: you really would need the context |
| 05:20.41 | liable | acu: or the 'how can i help debian' page on debian.org |
| 05:20.41 | peterS | Dewi: i.e.: the website godhatesfags.com is not about smoking |
| 05:20.42 | user01 | rahul: they actually say suck on fag there? |
| 05:20.57 | nvz | I dont know but I think running ntp is causing me clock drift |
| 05:20.58 | rahul | I say suck on a fag, I dunno |
| 05:21.04 | Dewi | peterS: oh, see, I'm getting this backwards all the time because I can't remember where each one is meant to be from |
| 05:21.07 | rahul | but I'm from NE US. :P |
| 05:21.08 | liable | nvz: ironic |
| 05:21.13 | nvz | granted the fucker probably doesnt have a server in the config right now |
| 05:21.15 | Dewi | peterS: they really are totally equally established here |
| 05:21.27 | nvz | but I've never seen a clock drift this much ever |
| 05:21.32 | mzilikazi | rahul: oh so you say caaars instead of cars? |
| 05:21.32 | Dewi | peterS: the best one is 'root' though |
| 05:21.36 | user01 | well...they also break out laughing when you tell them a guys first name is randy in the us |
| 05:21.41 | Dewi | peterS: especially in here |
| 05:21.45 | peterS | Dewi: cigarette = british, homo = american. though I think a lot of americans (but not all) do know the british usage. |
| 05:22.02 | rahul | http://txfx.net/2006/04/14/spaz/ <- mentions sucking on fags |
| 05:22.12 | nvz | haha |
| 05:22.13 | mfrisch | peterS: whats a square? |
| 05:22.13 | user01 | peterS: if its said with an american accent |
| 05:22.14 | peterS | user01: the one that leaves us perplexed in the US is the british pudding dish known as 'spotted dick' |
| 05:22.27 | mzilikazi | bahaha |
| 05:22.32 | Dewi | even I have no idea what that is <- aussie britophile |
| 05:22.40 | mzilikazi | spotted dick......i don' wanna know |
| 05:22.52 | rahul | mzilikazi: no, bahstahnians say cah when they describe something they pahk in hahvahd yahd |
| 05:23.02 | rahul | heh |
| 05:23.08 | peterS | mzilikazi: it's harmless really. it's just a pudding, the 'spots' are raisins |
| 05:23.18 | user01 | as far as australia i thought that cattle ranchers in the outback really loved their porn, but XXX turned out to be just a beer brand |
| 05:23.25 | rahul | mzilikazi: actually, the boston and new orleans accents are related |
| 05:23.28 | liable | xxxx |
| 05:23.40 | mzilikazi | rahul: well you are rather close together over there |
| 05:23.45 | rahul | which, togehter, are somewhat related to the brookynese accent |
| 05:23.47 | user01 | liable: yep thanks |
| 05:24.05 | rahul | mzilikazi: right, but lingustically, n'oleans is closer to bahsahn |
| 05:24.12 | Dewi | user01: it's xxxx. I go through that train station on the bottle every day |
| 05:24.15 | mzilikazi | oh shit |
| 05:24.19 | user01 | nouvelle orléans |
| 05:24.19 | mzilikazi | n'oleans |
| 05:24.27 | rahul | and brooklynese is more prevalent in jersey these days than in brooklyn |
| 05:24.33 | mzilikazi | all y'all |
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| 05:24.38 | user01 | yep i know |
| 05:24.41 | Dewi | user01: also there are no ranches here |
| 05:24.42 | user01 | i missed an x |
| 05:24.46 | peterS | surely 'nouvel orléans'? |
| 05:24.50 | user01 | right no fences |
| 05:24.52 | Dewi | user01: strangely nobody really calls it the outback either |
| 05:24.57 | Dewi | user01: I dunno where the 'outback' thing came from |
| 05:25.05 | Dewi | "out back of beyond" or something? |
| 05:25.08 | user01 | Dewi: oh i was in timbercreek |
| 05:25.08 | Dewi | I'm just guessing |
| 05:25.11 | mzilikazi | the french chose a swamp for a city when they built nawlins |
| 05:25.24 | Dewi | I can't even think of the word "outback" without hearing an american accent |
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| 05:25.32 | user01 | and they did call it a ranch and we had smoko |
| 05:25.39 | mfrisch | mzilikazi: and south florida isn't |
| 05:25.43 | mzilikazi | i have never swam in 'nawlins btw - only read about it |
| 05:25.53 | peterS | Dewi: odd. we all think it's the outback. what do you actually call the rural part of your country, away from the coasts? |
| 05:25.58 | liable | user01: hah, i woke up in my jocks at 3am in front of the service station there after a particularly heavy night of drinking :) |
| 05:25.59 | Dewi | peterS: the bush |
| 05:26.00 | mzilikazi | florida is the mosquito capital of the world |
| 05:26.02 | Dewi | peterS: the country |
| 05:26.04 | peterS | ahh |
| 05:26.19 | liable | no, out bush |
| 05:26.20 | user01 | liable: timber creek? |
| 05:26.25 | Dewi | peterS: bush is obviously the un-agricultural part |
| 05:26.26 | liable | user01: yeah |
| 05:26.33 | peterS | mzilikazi: that was supposed to be minnesota. but I'm not sure I buy it, having spent some time in tropical rain forests |
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| 05:26.55 | user01 | liable: they have my picture up at the gator tours |
| 05:26.56 | user01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.02 | liable | heh |
| 05:27.05 | user01 | vic tours |
| 05:27.14 | mzilikazi | peterS: ok agreed- rain forest in honduras had rather large skeeters |
| 05:27.19 | liable | big crocs in that river. great fishing too |
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| 05:27.30 | peterS | mzilikazi: I believe the mosquito is the minnesota state bird. but anyway. |
| 05:27.37 | user01 | liable: that was when i had a psycho girlfriend from timber creek |
| 05:27.40 | mzilikazi | wow - how amazingly off-topic #debian is tonite |
| 05:27.45 | Dewi | peterS: if you understand the australian slang and british slang equally as I do, getting root on somebody's box is particularly graphic |
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| 05:27.50 | unseensoul | hi |
| 05:28.00 | unseensoul | how can i know the size of my partitions? |
| 05:28.04 | peterS | Dewi: 'root' has no connotations to me, what does it mean? |
| 05:28.04 | liable | user01: you lived up there? |
| 05:28.11 | markybob | unseensoul, really? df -h, maybe? |
| 05:28.11 | liable | have sex |
| 05:28.12 | Dewi | peterS: fuck |
| 05:28.12 | mzilikazi | unseensoul: fdisk -l |
| 05:28.17 | peterS | ahhh |
| 05:28.20 | mzilikazi | unseensoul: cfdisk |
| 05:28.22 | Dewi | (fuck of course being universal) |
| 05:28.35 | user01 | user01: i was at a service station at 3am in darwin in the same state |
| 05:28.42 | user01 | liable: about a year |
| 05:28.44 | mzilikazi | fuck is one of the most adaptable words ever |
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| 05:28.51 | rahul | the fuck it is |
| 05:28.57 | liable | user01: i lived on VRD for a couple :) |
| 05:28.58 | unseensoul | fdisk -l and df -h don't provide it |
| 05:28.59 | peterS | Dewi: I wonder when the expression 'pwned in the butt' will catch on |
| 05:28.59 | mzilikazi | george carlin had a great bit about the usage of the workd fuck |
| 05:29.02 | Dewi | unseensoul: fdisk /dev/[devicename] |
| 05:29.10 | user01 | liable: mostly in darwin though |
| 05:29.13 | Dewi | unseensoul: fdisk -l will list its contents |
| 05:29.34 | unseensoul | yes, but not the size of it |
| 05:29.36 | user01 | darwin remindsme of new orleans in a way |
| 05:29.47 | liable | i like darwin |
| 05:29.51 | user01 | before thehurricane |
| 05:30.31 | Dewi | hmm |
| 05:30.33 | Dewi | never been there |
| 05:30.33 | user01 | liable: i wish i could have spent more time in the kimberly |
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| 05:30.49 | Dewi | not much of a music scene that I'm aware of though :P |
| 05:30.55 | liable | user01: i lived there for a couple of years too. awsome spot |
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| 05:31.03 | mzilikazi | user01: yeah - kimberly was great - i should have spent more time in her too |
| 05:31.04 | user01 | liable: lake argylewas breath taking |
| 05:31.15 | liable | user01: huge innit |
| 05:31.16 | mzilikazi | the slut! |
| 05:32.00 | user01 | and i got to see the croc hunter before his death making me the ultimate ozzie tourist |
| 05:32.21 | mzilikazi | user01: how much did it cost to get to aussieland? |
| 05:32.25 | user01 | he almost ran me over with his bike on a pedestrian ramp |
| 05:32.29 | Dewi | did bindi's washington speech get much coverage? |
| 05:32.35 | mzilikazi | expensive as hell to fly to australia |
| 05:32.40 | user01 | mzilikazi: i went from england and it was cheap in april |
| 05:32.50 | user01 | london has great deals |
| 05:32.58 | mzilikazi | dewey: bindi is already a HUGE favorite in USA |
| 05:33.04 | user01 | us is really expensive |
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| 05:33.11 | rahul | US is expensive?? |
| 05:33.20 | markybob | if it wasnt for the having been in the navy, i certainly would've never gone to australia |
| 05:33.20 | rahul | this after calling london cheap |
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| 05:33.27 | rahul | oh airfare. |
| 05:33.28 | user01 | rahul: to fly to australia |
| 05:33.40 | user01 | rahul: london is expensive :) |
| 05:33.47 | user01 | rahul: to live |
| 05:33.52 | rahul | yeah, you basically have to go syndney -> papeete -> LAX |
| 05:34.03 | rahul | with one less n |
| 05:34.12 | mzilikazi | lax - omg i'd rather have an enigma |
| 05:34.24 | markybob | lax isnt that terrible |
| 05:34.31 | mzilikazi | screw l.a. - fuckin. weirdos |
| 05:34.32 | peterS | mzilikazi: by enigma do you mean enema? |
| 05:34.40 | user01 | i got my trip from london to darwin for about 670 quid roundtrip |
| 05:34.50 | markybob | wtf is a quid? |
| 05:34.52 | mzilikazi | peterS: haha yes i s'pose i do |
| 05:34.59 | peterS | markybob: pounds sterling. close to $2 at the moment. |
| 05:35.06 | mzilikazi | markybob: small squid? |
| 05:35.14 | user01 | peterS: back then it was like 1 and a half |
| 05:35.24 | rahul | markybob: the british equivalent of a looney |
| 05:35.27 | rahul | (conceptually) |
| 05:35.36 | rahul | enigma, heh |
| 05:35.39 | markybob | a looney? what am i, canadian? |
| 05:35.42 | user01 | im afraid to return to england with the exchange rates now |
| 05:35.57 | peterS | markybob: so he's saying $1000, give or take a few hundred |
| 05:35.59 | rahul | although a quid is worth about a twoney |
| 05:36.11 | RhastaW | the cricketers cant get back there quickly enough |
| 05:36.22 | liable | hah |
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| 05:36.45 | peterS | markybob: oh I have no idea about R$ <-> US$ or R$ <-> pounds |
| 05:36.46 | mzilikazi | markybob: where in brazil? - i want to move to s.a. |
| 05:36.57 | markybob | peterS, it's ok, i understand US$ :) |
| 05:37.04 | markybob | mzilikazi, san paulo, usually |
| 05:37.36 | user01 | liable: i miss singing kevin bloody wilson songs |
| 05:37.36 | Dewi | peterS: wtf is $R |
| 05:37.42 | markybob | dewi real |
| 05:37.42 | mzilikazi | markybob: lucky bastard |
| 05:37.46 | peterS | Dewi: the brasilian currency, the 'real' |
| 05:37.48 | Dewi | oh brazil |
| 05:37.55 | liable | user01: hehe |
| 05:38.24 | markybob | i remember just a few years back when the R$ and US$ were about the same. oh the good ol' days ;) |
| 05:38.40 | mzilikazi | markybob: what is the general opinion of white americans in brazil? |
| 05:38.49 | peterS | that's a pretty vague question |
| 05:38.51 | rahul | heh |
| 05:38.54 | Dewi | yeah |
| 05:38.54 | liable | user01: i dunno if you remember the one about 'stick that fucking phone, up your fucking ass'.. but i met the bloke that it was written about a while back, was quite funny |
| 05:39.05 | rahul | vaguely, I get the impression that it's "not good" |
| 05:39.17 | user01 | mzilikazi: about the same everywhere else. . . leave us alone :) |
| 05:39.28 | mzilikazi | oh c'mon! |
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| 05:39.57 | Dewi | don't worry guys, we're only "jealous of your freedom" |
| 05:40.08 | markybob | mzilikazi, user01 is about right, actually. bush offered brazil millions of dollars to deal with aids, but would only let us have it if we used it to promote abstinence. |
| 05:40.09 | Dewi | or whatever it is bush says |
| 05:40.34 | mzilikazi | aw fuck a bush |
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| 05:40.37 | user01 | Dewi: well there are many freedoms in australia you dont get in the US . . . like driving drunk and being able to keep your license |
| 05:40.46 | peterS | hehe |
| 05:40.49 | markybob | mzilikazi, yeah. i'm sure you dont hear about stuff like that in american media :) |
| 05:40.54 | liable | not anymore |
| 05:40.55 | Dewi | user01: that's not quite true |
| 05:41.01 | Dewi | user01: except maybe in darwin |
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| 05:41.09 | Dewi | user01: traffic laws are pretty lax up there |
| 05:41.18 | liable | where you *have* to be drunk to keep your license :) |
| 05:41.30 | peterS | I think if drunk drivers generally only killed _themselves_ we wouldn't have much of a problem with it |
| 05:41.36 | rahul | you know, it's amazing how ignorant most foreigners are... :) |
| 05:41.38 | unseensoul | Dewi, fdisk didn't work for me |
| 05:41.47 | n3kl_ | How can I find all the files on my system writable by the group 'users' ? I thought find / -group users -perm +g+w would do it, but I guess not. Any ideas? |
| 05:41.48 | user01 | Dewi: my gf brother was killed in a car accident there by drunk drivers and i think theyjust got a fine or something |
| 05:41.50 | peterS | but of course, they've got a better chance, statistically, of getting out alive than whoever they run into |
| 05:41.51 | Dewi | unseensoul: you need to be root |
| 05:42.17 | mzilikazi | markybob: nah...actually......i don't hear about anything since i don't listen to the media - the world will end precsiely when it ends - no sooner and no later |
| 05:42.26 | streuner_ | well, its a problem, because many people died in US vs. .au ... |
| 05:42.32 | rahul | why do people assume that I support bush in anything? |
| 05:42.57 | markybob | rahul, i'd assume the opposite. arent most whites republican and most others democratic? ;) |
| 05:43.04 | user01 | rahul: because he is trying to protect your freedom? :) |
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| 05:43.08 | unseensoul | Dewi, i am root. you don't get it, fdisk doesn't provide the partition size, at least, for me :P |
| 05:43.11 | peterS | n3kl_: -perm -g=w should help |
| 05:43.13 | mystic_touch | Re :) |
| 05:43.17 | rahul | hell, the only decent thing he did was reduce the tax rates on dividends, but then he went and fucked it up with reducing capital gains to the same level |
| 05:43.21 | peterS | n3kl_: (I lifted that directly from 'man find') |
| 05:43.22 | rahul | I love to fuck bush |
| 05:43.27 | mzilikazi | my wife won't let me get any strange bush but i still like it! |
| 05:43.30 | rahul | note the lowercase b |
| 05:43.42 | mystic_touch | Where we can report bugs to debian? |
| 05:43.44 | mzilikazi | unseensoul: try cfdisk? |
| 05:43.52 | markybob | mystic_touch, bugs.debian.org ? |
| 05:43.54 | rahul | user01: what freedom? .... :\ |
| 05:43.55 | peterS | mystic_touch: run the 'reportbug' script |
| 05:44.17 | user01 | rahul: the freedom you dont notice because you already have it! |
| 05:44.19 | n3kl_ | peterS: Thanks. I was using the group, didn't think to use the gid. Still not sure why that would have made a difference... |
| 05:44.19 | user01 | :) |
| 05:44.22 | peterS | mystic_touch: or yeah, just go to http://bugs.debian.org/ for lengthy instructions about sending email to submit@bugs.debian.org in a specific format |
| 05:44.27 | Dewi | unseensoul: if it's mounted df will show it |
| 05:44.38 | Dewi | unseensoul: df -h for human readable units |
| 05:44.48 | unseensoul | mzilikazi, what do you mean? |
| 05:44.48 | rahul | yeah, the freedom to be imprisoned as an "enemy combatant" without justification |
| 05:44.54 | unseensoul | Dewi, i can't mount it, it's corrupted |
| 05:45.00 | mystic_touch | thanks :) |
| 05:45.03 | mzilikazi | unseensoul: cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 05:45.05 | mzilikazi | or whatever |
| 05:45.06 | markybob | rahul, nah, bush has nothing against indians. you'll be ok ;) |
| 05:45.14 | user01 | i was out of the country for 4 years and it got all messed up during that time |
| 05:45.16 | Dewi | rahul: did you hear about our PM? |
| 05:45.31 | rahul | Dewi: I hear that most of the rest of the world is electing people like bush |
| 05:45.32 | user01 | not that it was perfect before |
| 05:45.40 | rahul | that's most of what I know |
| 05:45.45 | Dewi | rahul: he issued an "ultimatum" that the remaining aussie in gitmo, Hicks, must be tried by februrary |
| 05:45.47 | rahul | markybob: heh, dunno about that |
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| 05:45.49 | peterS | mystic_touch: actually if you just read a few bug reports online (at bugs.debian.org), you pretty quickly get a sense of the format of the 'submit' email message. the Package: and Version: lines at the top are the main thing. |
| 05:45.50 | Dewi | rahul: we're real demanding eh |
| 05:45.50 | unseensoul | mzilikazi, it worked. thank you |
| 05:46.13 | n3kl_ | peterS: thanks again |
| 05:46.16 | rahul | Dewi: at least you have influence as a soverign state |
| 05:46.25 | peterS | mystic_touch: also check http://bugs.debian.org/src:yourpackagename to see what has already been reported |
| 05:46.29 | Dewi | rahul: I like how we hand down the tough ultimatums to our allies in war... "you had better try our citizen you've helf for half a decade without charge... in the next few months or so... or.... well, else." |
| 05:46.32 | rahul | as an american citizen, you're basically fucked. |
| 05:46.32 | streuner_ | rahul: well, in spain they vote for a different party. |
| 05:46.47 | Dewi | rahul: eh? |
| 05:46.53 | mzilikazi | unseensoul: cool - drinking breckenridge pale ale and irc DO go together :) |
| 05:46.54 | streuner_ | rahul: the same in .de (iraq) |
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| 05:46.55 | Dewi | rahul: last time I checked most of the people in gitmo weren't american |
| 05:47.04 | mystic_touch | peterS ermmmm :x well is just my gdm login that don`t ask the password sometimes when i change from user in gnome in debian etch |
| 05:47.09 | unseensoul | mzilikazi, eheh :P |
| 05:47.12 | rahul | Dewi: but there's nothing stopping it |
| 05:47.14 | markybob | streuner_, you're in iraq? |
| 05:47.14 | user01 | its not that bad being an american but its not that great either |
| 05:47.30 | peterS | mystic_touch: yeah, so check http://bugs.debian.org/src:gdm to see if it's been reported already |
| 05:47.37 | streuner_ | markybob: no :-) - would i be here then? |
| 05:47.43 | user01 | many people think its all beverly hills 90210 |
| 05:47.46 | Dewi | rahul: more than is stopping you holding the citizens of an ally from the actual war |
| 05:47.47 | rahul | Dewi: the supreme court said it's the president's perogative to call someone an enemy combatant and at that point, the judiciary can't intervene |
| 05:48.04 | Dewi | rahul: there was one other australian and many brits in there for the first few years |
| 05:48.21 | Dewi | rahul: I don't know how many americans to be honest |
| 05:48.29 | user01 | i still dont get why australians still have the queen on their money |
| 05:48.51 | rahul | Dewi: don't think there are many, but it's the fact that the supreme court has said it's out of their jurisdiction, and anyone else's |
| 05:48.58 | rahul | user01: they're part of the commonwealth |
| 05:49.01 | Dewi | user01: 1) we can't be arsed changing it, and 2) we don't want a president like .us |
| 05:49.01 | rahul | user01: just like canada |
| 05:49.02 | mzilikazi | usa is subject to the same problems as anywhere else - corruption, greed and lies |
| 05:49.02 | user01 | there are so many more interesting things like patapli |
| 05:49.28 | user01 | Dewi: put debian on it then |
| 05:49.43 | Dewi | rahul: far as I'm concerned that's technically the end of democracy... whether they have misused it yet or not |
| 05:49.56 | rahul | Dewi: exactly |
| 05:49.58 | mystic_touch | peterS they probably allready report just try to check more about him lol :) |
| 05:50.03 | Dewi | rahul: but it's not like our leadership will do anything in response to it either, so we're just as boned |
| 05:50.04 | rahul | hail caesar. |
| 05:50.12 | peterS | yeah so ... now that Bush and Iraq have both been mentioned, it's time to tell everyone to STFU NOW PLEASE. we have a #politics for a reason, please go there. ahem. |
| 05:50.23 | Dewi | rahul: and have faith that the UK and Aus authorities have been given the same ridiculous powers as yours have |
| 05:50.28 | rahul | iraq was mentioned? |
| 05:50.45 | peterS | rahul: streuner_ mentioned it, at least |
| 05:50.46 | Dewi | rahul: actually it was, a while back. For one line. |
| 05:50.49 | rahul | Dewi: looks like they will be if they haven't. oh well. |
| 05:50.59 | rahul | !penixstrike streuner_ |
| 05:50.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking streuner_ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:51.13 | streuner_ | !blairsmite rahul |
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| 05:51.28 | rahul | I couldn't figure out what iraq had to do with his comment, so I guess I disregarded it :P |
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| 05:52.46 | morann | the 'shred' does not have the -r option. anyway to shred recursively down a dir hierarchy? |
| 05:52.48 | user01 | australians in the north are some of the best drinkers ive come across.. .despite the humidityand everything they really hold their liquor quite well |
| 05:52.58 | markybob | morann, which fs are you using? |
| 05:53.11 | morann | ext2 |
| 05:53.19 | peterS | morann: I dunno, I'd probably just 'find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 shred'... |
| 05:53.29 | user01 | bloody expensive though the imports |
| 05:54.08 | morann | peterS: k, that would be one way. |
| 05:54.20 | mzilikazi | user01: what imports are available exactly? |
| 05:54.30 | peterS | morann: or if you use zsh as your shell, 'shred **/*' will do much the same thing |
| 05:54.39 | morann | k |
| 05:54.42 | user01 | mzilikazi: well jack daniels for example |
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| 05:54.58 | peterS | well, I'm not sure about that last. it will probably try to shred directories as well as files, and that might break |
| 05:55.07 | rahul | eew jack daniels |
| 05:55.15 | rahul | might as well drink fosters |
| 05:55.16 | morann | i suppose kde file del only use rm. can i make it use shred? |
| 05:55.22 | mzilikazi | user01: do you have a comparable alternative to j.d. ? |
| 05:55.44 | markybob | rahul, dude...c'mon...jack is one of god's gift to humanity |
| 05:55.45 | peterS | what's wrong with jack? honestly I can't tell one whiskey from another, you put half an inch of it into a glass of coke and they all seem to taste the same |
| 05:55.46 | mzilikazi | mmmm jack daniels and......almost anything :P |
| 05:55.50 | rahul | bleh |
| 05:55.50 | user01 | nope jack daniels is jack daniels |
| 05:56.00 | rahul | gimme wild turkey or blantons any day. |
| 05:56.09 | rahul | peterS: only half an inch? |
| 05:56.10 | markybob | morann, delete rm and link -s it to shred ? |
| 05:56.20 | twobitsprite | woodford reserve is pretty good, as well as rebel yell :) |
| 05:56.22 | mzilikazi | blantons? that's a new one on me |
| 05:56.24 | rahul | peterS: good bourbons are meant to be served neat or as a manhattan |
| 05:56.24 | user01 | good scottish whiskey is nice |
| 05:56.26 | peterS | rahul: well, anything between half an inch and an inch |
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| 05:56.36 | rahul | peterS: wimp |
| 05:56.38 | user01 | or a good vodka yum |
| 05:56.48 | peterS | rahul: also I don't care whether you shake or stir it (: |
| 05:56.51 | mzilikazi | tater liquor |
| 05:57.07 | mzilikazi | mmm stoli...... |
| 05:57.10 | rahul | stirring doesn't get a good mix |
| 05:57.23 | rahul | that's actually scientifically proven :) |
| 05:57.32 | peterS | but shaking does? |
| 05:57.34 | rahul | at least, it takes too much effort to stir it well |
| 05:57.36 | user01 | there was a really good vodka a had zabruska i think |
| 05:57.44 | rahul | peterS: yes |
| 05:57.53 | mzilikazi | rahul: so the alternative is.....? |
| 05:57.56 | rahul | peterS: surface tension and all |
| 05:57.59 | peterS | ahh |
| 05:58.07 | mzilikazi | let the barkeep shake it for you? |
| 05:58.08 | twobitsprite | stirring it enough to make it mix as well as shaking causes the water to melt too fast |
| 05:58.14 | twobitsprite | s/water/ice |
| 05:58.22 | morann | markybob: don't get you. i want to 'shred' when i del files via kde. |
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| 05:58.36 | Dewi | well, if we're still this off-topic... |
| 05:58.41 | Dewi | happy australia day everyone, for tomorrow |
| 05:58.41 | rahul | the self-attraction goes all the way down to hte level of having clusters of a dozen molecules or so |
| 05:58.46 | markybob | morann, are you telling me that kde reinvented the wheel and doesnt just drop down to rm? |
| 05:59.00 | mystic_touch | peterS ... :x look`s don`t have :X |
| 05:59.21 | peterS | Dewi: yay for astralia day. I don't mind offtopic so much as I mind _political_ offtopic. at least with drinking preferences, everyone _admits_ that their opinions are mere opinions. |
| 05:59.21 | rahul | http://www.blantonsbourbon.com/ |
| 05:59.31 | user01 | Dewi: happy anzac day if i dont see you till then |
| 05:59.36 | morann | markybob: i assume that it removes or deletes files in a way which is recoverable, unlike shred. |
| 05:59.40 | mzilikazi | oh it's australia day? hmm i want the day off |
| 05:59.50 | peterS | mzilikazi: he said 'tomorrow' |
| 05:59.56 | markybob | morann, i assume it drops down to rm. in which case replacing rm with shred would work |
| 06:00.02 | cafuego_ | mzilikazi: Not yet |
| 06:00.14 | Cholito | anyone having problems with iceweasel+tabmix plus? |
| 06:00.15 | markybob | morann, go to #kde |
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| 06:00.18 | mzilikazi | well tomorrow is when i have to go to work |
| 06:00.28 | rahul | blantons is smooth and strong |
| 06:00.28 | cafuego_ | looks like it'll be a nice day for a bbq and a few beers |
| 06:00.34 | rahul | and flavorful |
| 06:00.44 | mzilikazi | but i think we don't get paid for australia day in the usa |
| 06:00.47 | mzilikazi | bastards |
| 06:00.52 | Cholito | cafuego_: it's really cold outside :S |
| 06:00.55 | quitte | i wonder what the reason is that in the xen kernels a few of the pci hotplug modules are missing |
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| 06:01.05 | peterS | mzilikazi: keep in mind when someone in .au says 'tomorrow', it's Thursday afternoon for them right now so they mean Friday |
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| 06:01.15 | user01 | mzilikazi: the best things in life are free |
| 06:01.25 | user01 | like australia day |
| 06:01.41 | user01 | and debian |
| 06:01.43 | cafuego_ | Is livejournal dead for you too? |
| 06:01.48 | Dewi | peterS: hmm. I guess so. Unless you insist that american beers are awesome or something, I could see that getting nasty in a lot of places :) |
| 06:01.49 | mzilikazi | user01: i'll be there firday |
| 06:02.02 | mzilikazi | where are the nude beaches in australia anyway? |
| 06:02.02 | twobitsprite | cafuego_: livejournal has always been dead to me |
| 06:02.03 | cafuego_ | Dewi: 'american' 'beers' ? |
| 06:02.08 | rahul | Dewi: there ARE good american beers |
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| 06:02.13 | markybob | mzilikazi, they're all topless, if iirc |
| 06:02.15 | peterS | Dewi: I don't think anyone has ever claimed american beers are awesome. ever. |
| 06:02.17 | twobitsprite | Sam adams |
| 06:02.19 | rahul | the crap they export is shit. |
| 06:02.24 | user01 | mzilikazi: there was supposed to be a few near perth i think |
| 06:02.26 | cafuego_ | mzilikazi: gold coast, sunsine coast |
| 06:02.32 | markybob | cafuego_, livejournal working fine here |
| 06:02.33 | rahul | sam is the only decent major brand |
| 06:02.41 | rahul | I usually drink magic hat or pete's wicked |
| 06:02.42 | streuner_ | rahul: do you like the chemical stuff they add to the beer? ;-) |
| 06:02.43 | Cholito | when I enable the session manager from tabmix plus, iceweasel doesn't work correctly, anyone having the same behavior? |
| 06:02.44 | Dewi | user01: hehe, thanks |
| 06:02.49 | cafuego_ | markybob: okay, just my IS then possibly *grr* |
| 06:02.50 | twobitsprite | rahul: yeah... budwater, etc... |
| 06:02.51 | user01 | mzilikazi: and one not too far from coolingata |
| 06:02.53 | mzilikazi | hmm how to convince the wife that we ned to go to topless beaches........ |
| 06:02.59 | bakfupai | Hi, I can't get logging right. My firewall is logging with prio info but for some reason it gets logged to both /var/log/messages and the main console. Can't for the world of me figure out why. Anyone who can shed some light? I can dump down my syslog.conf if you like. |
| 06:03.00 | mzilikazi | err need |
| 06:03.03 | rahul | I'll drink bud if it's outside on a hot day. |
| 06:03.31 | rahul | if I'm properly trying to get a nice drink, I want something with some real flavor and texture |
| 06:03.34 | twobitsprite | I prefer Corona or Sol for that |
| 06:03.36 | user01 | Dewi: you´re weclome . . . for the beaches? |
| 06:03.43 | mzilikazi | usa has great beers from small brewers - screw the common beers they have no balls |
| 06:03.51 | rahul | twobitsprite: eh, those are a little too watery for me, I think |
| 06:03.56 | mzilikazi | in colorado we have many small breweries |
| 06:04.01 | markybob | peterS, so much for trying to get #debian back on topic. it was a worthy attempt, though ;) |
| 06:04.15 | twobitsprite | rahul: but they go much better with lime and salt... which is very refreshing on a hot day |
| 06:04.22 | rahul | twobitsprite: yes, true |
| 06:04.35 | rahul | twobitsprite: but for that, I'll have a margarita :) |
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| 06:04.42 | peterS | markybob: as I said, off-topic is one thing, _political_ off-topic is something else entirely. the problem with talking about politics is that it's 99% opinions but people take them as personally as though it were 99% facts. plus, it's extremely repetitive. |
| 06:04.42 | twobitsprite | too rich |
| 06:05.20 | mzilikazi | cheers |
| 06:05.22 | user01 | peterS: kinda like favoritealcoholic beverage discussions |
| 06:05.31 | peterS | markybob: at least when talking about beer, people only say "american beer is shite" once, then move on, they don't dwell on it |
| 06:05.45 | itchi | Belgiums beers is the top :-p |
| 06:05.53 | quitte | i dont get the beer and salt thing. beer and liom - ok. what do you do with the salt? |
| 06:05.56 | user01 | leffe :) |
| 06:06.00 | rahul | fin du monde is rather belgian in inspiration |
| 06:06.01 | streuner_ | itchi: yeah :-? |
| 06:06.08 | mzilikazi | people who say "american beer is shite" think ther eis only miller lite and budweiser |
| 06:06.12 | streuner_ | itchi: rpm... |
| 06:06.13 | twobitsprite | quitte: you add it to light beers |
| 06:06.14 | itchi | streuner_: I not drink beer, but it have his reputation here |
| 06:06.23 | markybob | in that case, the best beer i ever had was tiger beer, while i was in the middle east. anyone familiar with tiger beer? |
| 06:06.30 | quitte | twobitsprite: doesn'T the remove the carbondioxide? |
| 06:06.41 | user01 | itchi: belgian is nice too expensive here |
| 06:06.44 | quitte | s/the/that |
| 06:07.00 | mzilikazi | mm the irish know how to do a good stout |
| 06:07.04 | bakfupai | markybob: yeah. it's quite nice. pietra is nicer though... |
| 06:07.04 | itchi | user01: Here also, the good beer is not cheap :-s |
| 06:07.05 | GeorgeS069 | the salt kills the bacteria |
| 06:07.22 | quitte | hahaaha |
| 06:07.27 | twobitsprite | quitte: it will chill out the bubblies, but it makes it kinda smooth and refreshing |
| 06:07.32 | twobitsprite | GeorgeS069: that too :P |
| 06:07.36 | kakalto | how do I block packages from being upgraded? |
| 06:07.38 | rahul | yeah, piss has bacteria in it |
| 06:07.38 | markybob | bakfupai, i was incredibly surprised how heavy my head felt after three tiger beers ;) |
| 06:07.50 | twobitsprite | GeorgeS069: however, the alcahol probably does a good job of that already |
| 06:07.50 | rahul | kakalto: the 'hold' command |
| 06:07.56 | rahul | kakalto: = in aptitude |
| 06:07.56 | peterS | kakalto: 'aptitude hold packagename', I think, if you use aptitude, which you should anyway |
| 06:08.14 | bakfupai | markybob: ^^ n00b :P J/K |
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| 06:08.17 | user01 | that reminds me i need to go to oktoberfest sometime |
| 06:08.25 | markybob | bakfupai, you're right, i was. i was 18 back then :) |
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| 06:08.38 | quitte | twobitsprite: you might want to try solving the salt in waterbfore adding it. ill give it a try today. never put salt in beer except to make it foam all over the table |
| 06:08.39 | rahul | markybob: try 3 leffe or chimay or fin du monde :) |
| 06:08.49 | kakalto | rahul, peterS, thanks |
| 06:09.02 | rahul | quitte: yeah, part of the point can be to release the excess fizz |
| 06:09.10 | user01 | or ricard ! |
| 06:09.15 | twobitsprite | quitte: I only add a little, never had any problems... |
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| 06:09.19 | rahul | I usually slam it on the bar |
| 06:09.23 | markybob | rahul, i havent a clue what it is that you're talking about. maybe the next time i'm in new york visiting my step sister, i'll give you a ring and you can show me ;) |
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| 06:09.40 | rahul | but the only beer I drink like that in a bar is amstel |
| 06:09.41 | itchi | hhhmmm Pisang Ambon :-) |
| 06:09.44 | rahul | markybob: hehe |
| 06:09.58 | user01 | rahul: amstel s dutch isnt it? |
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| 06:10.02 | twobitsprite | amstel is probably my favorite light beer |
| 06:10.03 | rahul | markybob: I don't know where to find fin du monde anywhere here except in a bar in greenpoint bklyn |
| 06:10.05 | itchi | ggrr, never find that when i'm on vacation :-( |
| 06:10.07 | rahul | user01: yes |
| 06:10.13 | bakfupai | hmm, so noone have an idea on my logging problem? or is only beer-talk allowed? ^^ |
| 06:10.23 | rahul | only 95 calories per bottle, but it's weak, 3.5% |
| 06:10.28 | rahul | I use it to sober up |
| 06:10.31 | twobitsprite | bakfupai: beer only, sorry |
| 06:10.36 | itchi | !beer #debian |
| 06:10.40 | rahul | bakfupai: are you logging beer drinking? |
| 06:10.40 | twobitsprite | beer > computers |
| 06:10.44 | user01 | a good us beer is yuengling |
| 06:10.51 | itchi | :-p |
| 06:10.56 | rahul | twobitsprite: you're outputting beer into your computers? |
| 06:10.57 | mzilikazi | Piraat? wtf is that? |
| 06:11.03 | rahul | user01: eh, it's half-decent |
| 06:11.05 | peterS | bakfupai: I don't know much about syslog config or I'd try to help you |
| 06:11.13 | markybob | htf was it that was tracking profanity and other such things on #debian years ago? |
| 06:11.15 | twobitsprite | user01: bleh... it's better than bud... but not great.. it's what I drink after my second or third beer to keep my tab down |
| 06:11.18 | rahul | user01: the only redeeming feature is that you often get $3/pint specials on it |
| 06:11.28 | markybob | rahul, you were around for that. remember? |
| 06:11.31 | bakfupai | peterS: too bad... |
| 06:11.35 | twobitsprite | rahul: lol... funny picture... no I mean greater-than |
| 06:11.41 | rahul | markybob: hmm, I was? |
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| 06:11.57 | peterS | markybob: you're thinking of kingsley, probably |
| 06:12.03 | markybob | peterS, ah, yes! |
| 06:12.06 | rahul | bakfupai: missed the qestion, wha twas it? |
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| 06:12.19 | user01 | right but spending wads of cash at the bar isnt practical |
| 06:12.26 | bakfupai | 05:55 < bakfupai> Hi, I can't get logging right. My firewall is logging with prio info but for some reason it gets logged to both /var/log/messages and the main console. Can't for the world of me figure out why. Anyone who can shed some light? I can dump down my syslog.conf if you like. |
| 06:12.50 | user01 | its the best cost vs quality i think in the us if ur not at a decent brewery |
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| 06:12.56 | rahul | bakfupai: console might be because of klogd |
| 06:13.01 | markybob | rahul, i think you were around in 2001. right? /msg dpkg kingsley |
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| 06:13.44 | bakfupai | rahul: so how do I fix that? how do I configure klogd? in the kernel? |
| 06:13.50 | user01 | except u can only get it in like 5 states in the east coast |
| 06:14.31 | rahul | markybob: hmm, don't seem to recall this silliness |
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| 06:14.45 | concept10 | Why cant Linux be like breakfast? Good at anytime of the day. |
| 06:14.46 | rahul | bakfupai: no, there's some call you make... hrm |
| 06:14.54 | markybob | rahul, that's for the best. it was incredibly ridiculous |
| 06:14.55 | peterS | concept10: it's good for me at any time of the day. |
| 06:15.03 | mzilikazi | concept10: it's not? |
| 06:15.04 | user01 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:15.11 | peterS | concept10: linux ... even when it's bad, it's still pretty good |
| 06:15.11 | user01 | ? |
| 06:15.49 | markybob | concept10, no idea what you're talking about |
| 06:15.56 | concept10 | scratch Linux, insert everything |
| 06:16.13 | markybob | concept10, please, lay off the weed while using irc |
| 06:16.13 | twobitsprite | beer is good any time of the day... :) |
| 06:16.18 | concept10 | markybob, You dont like breakfast? |
| 06:16.23 | quitte | hmm. that reminds me i have to changethose annoying default cron jobs that slow everything down in the morning |
| 06:16.28 | peterS | I'll fry hash browns, eggs, bacon at any time of the day. also, I'll use xterm at any time of the day. |
| 06:16.43 | quitte | at breakfast time linux is worst, here |
| 06:16.52 | markybob | concept10 i love breakfast. i dont see how linux is not good at all times, though. |
| 06:16.54 | concept10 | peterS, +1 to that |
| 06:17.00 | peterS | quitte: I edited /etc/crontab to move cron.daily and friends from 6:25 to 9:25 on the theory that sometimes I stay up as late as 6:25 but rarely am I up before 9:25 |
| 06:17.13 | rahul | where the hell is $KLOGD defined? |
| 06:17.15 | user01 | does ubuntu have some language tools that debian doesnt? im trying to figure out what they are . . . |
| 06:17.35 | peterS | rahul: /etc/default/klogd |
| 06:17.37 | twobitsprite | markybob: at about 5:00 is bit shift change, so you get a bit rush hour... |
| 06:17.38 | rahul | ok |
| 06:17.38 | Guerin | peterS: changed mine to 16:25 (GMT) since I'm at GMT +12/13 |
| 06:17.53 | rahul | bakfupai: change the options specified to klogd in /etc/default/klogd |
| 06:17.56 | peterS | Guerin: oh my system runs root cron jobs in localtz, so. |
| 06:18.06 | concept10 | markybob, I meant breakfast is good at all times (imho) but sometime you have problems with Linux, I never have problems with breakfast |
| 06:18.12 | rahul | or maybe it can be controlled by dpkg-reconfigure -plow sysklogd |
| 06:18.29 | rahul | maybe not |
| 06:18.31 | twobitsprite | other than that, it's pretty cool, aside from occasional packet collisions, etc... |
| 06:18.40 | twobitsprite | but that's to be expected |
| 06:18.51 | rahul | klogd doesn't ask anything either |
| 06:18.54 | user01 | was going to install debian on a computer to be multilingual but thought maybe unbuntu would be easier to do that |
| 06:19.06 | twobitsprite | concept10: you've never burned eggs, then? |
| 06:19.10 | streuner_ | haha |
| 06:19.15 | concept10 | heh |
| 06:19.18 | streuner_ | propaganda works :-) |
| 06:19.18 | rahul | user01: debian has lots of locales available... |
| 06:19.21 | bakfupai | says there I should do it in sysctl instead |
| 06:19.29 | rahul | bakfupai: ok :P |
| 06:19.30 | concept10 | twobitsprite, never |
| 06:19.37 | peterS | twobitsprite: if you burn eggs, at least the reinstall is pretty simple |
| 06:19.51 | twobitsprite | concept10: maybe you should stick to cooking :P |
| 06:19.55 | twobitsprite | peterS: true |
| 06:19.56 | quitte | unless the pa is burnt,too |
| 06:19.58 | concept10 | heh! |
| 06:19.59 | quitte | pan |
| 06:20.00 | user01 | rahul: right but i wanted to setup different languages for different logins |
| 06:20.08 | rahul | user01: how is that hard? |
| 06:20.23 | Guerin | peterS: this is for my server in texas ... so, yeah. It's in texas, runs on UTC, and is calibrated to GMT+12 |
| 06:20.27 | peterS | I figured out that by frying the bacon first, then the eggs, I wouldn't forget to grease the pan for the eggs (: |
| 06:20.27 | rahul | user01: have their environment contain the locale they want |
| 06:20.29 | quitte | user01: iirc that can be selected by the user in gdm bfore logging in |
| 06:20.34 | user01 | rahul: i didnt say it was i just i hadnt tried it before |
| 06:20.36 | concept10 | twobitsprite, I guess if I can't stand the error, I need to stay the hell out of the terminal |
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| 06:20.49 | rahul | user01: it would be just as hard in uglybuttock, too |
| 06:20.52 | twobitsprite | concept10: something like that :) |
| 06:20.59 | user01 | rahul: and its difficult if the translation for that program isnt available yet |
| 06:21.29 | rahul | user01: debian would have more translations available, I would think |
| 06:21.45 | rahul | since uglybuttock uses old debian stuff |
| 06:21.48 | user01 | rahul: the programs not the os |
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| 06:22.09 | twobitsprite | but the os is comprised of programs..... |
| 06:22.09 | rahul | debian proactively translates stuff |
| 06:22.29 | peterS | rahul: mainly stuff for installation prompts, though. we don't translate a large amount of upstream package stuff |
| 06:22.39 | twobitsprite | actually, I consider anything I can get from apt to be part of debian... |
| 06:22.40 | rahul | peterS: ah, right |
| 06:22.48 | rahul | twobitsprite: because it is :) |
| 06:22.52 | rahul | by definition |
| 06:22.59 | twobitsprite | rahul: that's what I thought :) |
| 06:23.05 | quitte | i thopught contrib and non-free wasn't? |
| 06:23.11 | HymnToLife | it depends what you call "Debian" |
| 06:23.30 | peterS | HymnToLife: if you believe Debian about what is Debian and what is not, there is no ambiguity |
| 06:23.41 | twobitsprite | quitte: welll.... I guess they're analogous to the bonus cds you get... |
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| 06:23.59 | rahul | "expansion packs"? |
| 06:24.02 | quitte | there are debian cds? never heard of that? |
| 06:24.15 | rahul | quitte: sssh, it's a secret |
| 06:24.24 | twobitsprite | quitte: I was mostly thinking of those crappy trials you get on cd when you buy a pre-built computer |
| 06:24.36 | twobitsprite | and actually, you can buy cds, no? |
| 06:24.45 | quitte | wow. now thats somethingi actually have never heard of. |
| 06:25.02 | user01 | i was a sucker before i heard about debian i bought corel linux |
| 06:25.04 | quitte | the debian comes with the computer thing |
| 06:25.16 | twobitsprite | quitte: I always seem to get things like Nero Burning Rom, etc with laptops... at least I know I did with my last dell |
| 06:25.21 | rahul | HP might preinstall debian |
| 06:25.22 | peterS | quitte: yeah, http://cdimage.debian.org/ - make your own or buy from CD vendors |
| 06:25.28 | rahul | on servers |
| 06:25.42 | user01 | nothing worked . . . but it all supposedly worked in debian |
| 06:25.55 | twobitsprite | quitte: ohh... yeah, I was talking about windows as an analogy... |
| 06:27.02 | quitte | hehe. i hope thegrub guys will add pppoe and dns support to grub2 and fit it on a floppy. full debian install from a fdd :D |
| 06:27.03 | streuner_ | user01: "Freud" said, you have to tell people every time the same, after that, they believe what you told them... |
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| 06:27.36 | twobitsprite | streuner_: why is Freud in quotes? |
| 06:28.21 | streuner_ | twobitsprite: just to make sure, what iam talking about, there are many different languages here, but you're right everybody should know Freud :-) |
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| 06:28.48 | twobitsprite | ahh, ok... I thought those were scare-quotes or something :P |
| 06:29.09 | streuner_ | twobitsprite: there is a german term too, which means joy. |
| 06:29.15 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 06:29.20 | user01 | streuner_: i tend to believe people who find different ways of coming to the same conclusion |
| 06:29.22 | twobitsprite | interesting |
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| 06:29.52 | bakfupai | rahul: found the solution. thanks for the help. |
| 06:29.54 | rahul | user01: I can find different ways of proving that 1=0 :P |
| 06:29.59 | rahul | bakfupai: np |
| 06:30.00 | user01 | streuner_: like all the work that went into the earth going around the sun |
| 06:30.33 | user01 | rahul: well it does in some systems |
| 06:30.40 | twobitsprite | user01: so, you mean corroborative evidence... not necessarily more than one person saying the same thing differently... |
| 06:31.06 | twobitsprite | user01: which systems are those? |
| 06:31.20 | user01 | not binary systems :) |
| 06:31.23 | rahul | user01: heh... such systens should not be using 0 or 1 to describe things that aren't similar to the other 0 and 1 we have |
| 06:31.47 | quitte | rahul can you prove 1=2,too? |
| 06:31.56 | rahul | quitte: in fact, I can! |
| 06:31.58 | twobitsprite | rahul: extremely fuzzy logic, with lots of rounding |
| 06:32.22 | quitte | rahul: woah so evry number equals every other. |
| 06:32.25 | rahul | 1 does not equal 0, even for small values of 1 |
| 06:32.43 | twobitsprite | quitte: well, this "proof" he is talking about in a trick... it essentially involves deviding by zero, but that his hidden in the details... if you allow devide by zero, the whole system breaks down and you can "prove" all kinda of things |
| 06:32.45 | streuner_ | user01: for example, promotion, behaviorism uses the same ways |
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| 06:33.12 | twobitsprite | streuner_: promotion? |
| 06:33.13 | streuner_ | user01: they telling you everytime the same of a product |
| 06:33.19 | deb_noob | what is the package called for the gtk font installer and where are the settings for it located? |
| 06:33.19 | streuner_ | yes |
| 06:33.32 | quitte | twobitsprite: ah ok. |
| 06:33.40 | user01 | it depends 0 what and 1 what |
| 06:33.44 | liable | gtk-font-manager or something |
| 06:33.44 | rahul | deb_noob: why not use defoma and get it installed everywhere |
| 06:33.59 | deb_noob | i'm on kde |
| 06:33.59 | twobitsprite | http://www.mathmojo.com/interestinglessons/1equals2/1equals2.html |
| 06:34.03 | user01 | 0 eggs in an empty box can be 1 empty box |
| 06:34.13 | user01 | for example |
| 06:34.17 | deb_noob | rahul: i'm on kde |
| 06:34.28 | rahul | deb_noob: and what does that mean? |
| 06:34.42 | user01 | streuner_: so why are talking about marketing |
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| 06:34.47 | rahul | deb_noob: what does kde have to do with a gtk font installer? |
| 06:34.58 | twobitsprite | user01: but zero eggs does not equal one empty box, this is like saying "1x = 0y" which is perfectly fine, it just means that x = 0 |
| 06:35.37 | streuner_ | user01: well, its an example how things work, they based on the same what 'Freud' said. |
| 06:35.37 | deb_noob | i mean i don't know where to access gtk-qt-engine |
| 06:35.51 | rahul | deb_noob: what does that mean? |
| 06:35.52 | hark | !confuse deb_noob |
| 06:35.52 | dpkg | Yes, them was your pants today, deb_noob? pants of the democracy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 06:35.58 | rahul | heh |
| 06:36.02 | twobitsprite | streuner_: who is "they" and what exactly are we talking about? :) |
| 06:36.04 | rahul | linux-windows-installer? |
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| 06:36.33 | peterS | twobitsprite: that or y is a really really big number |
| 06:37.01 | twobitsprite | peterS: well... it doesn't matter what y is, it's multiplied by zero, thus = 0 |
| 06:37.01 | rahul | peterS: infinity is not a number, even for small values of infinity |
| 06:37.03 | user01 | twobitsprite: well if you assign the string eggs to x and boxes to y . . . |
| 06:37.21 | user01 | or the opposite actually |
| 06:37.31 | twobitsprite | user01: you could also assign them to and b... "1a = 0b" ... same thing |
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| 06:37.39 | user01 | yep |
| 06:37.49 | twobitsprite | what's your point? |
| 06:38.00 | liable | was someone handing out LSD in #debian earlier or something? :) |
| 06:38.09 | rahul | liable: no, beer |
| 06:38.18 | twobitsprite | !beer liable |
| 06:38.18 | liable | wheres mine! |
| 06:38.20 | user01 | it depends what you mean by 1 of something is not equal to zero of something |
| 06:38.21 | rahul | and hummus, it seems |
| 06:38.29 | markybob | just curious...am i the only guy in here who has the clapper? |
| 06:38.30 | liable | not that virtual stuff! |
| 06:38.32 | streuner_ | liable: beer-over-TCP ;-) |
| 06:38.35 | user01 | and therefore the system youre using |
| 06:38.38 | rahul | user01: it means it's not equal to zero of something else |
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| 06:38.49 | liable | markybob: the clap, as in VD? |
| 06:38.50 | rahul | user01: rather it IS zero of something else |
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| 06:39.06 | rahul | user01: an apple is zero oranges. |
| 06:39.07 | twobitsprite | user01: if you're comparing 1 of one thing, and 0 of another, you are comparing seperate classes of things, which doesn't make sense |
| 06:39.12 | markybob | liable, no! the clapper! the 80's clap to turn the lights on device |
| 06:39.12 | user01 | well, hda0 is the first disk of my partition |
| 06:39.14 | liable | streuner_: where do i stick the straw? :) |
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| 06:39.28 | streuner_ | liable: USB :-P |
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| 06:39.40 | rahul | user01: hda0 isn't anything. |
| 06:39.52 | liable | markybob: probably, i bet you have a mullet too! |
| 06:39.54 | streuner_ | liable: hehe |
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| 06:40.01 | markybob | damnit! |
| 06:40.06 | twobitsprite | user01: I have 0 4s, that doesn't mean that 0 = 4... that's just semantics |
| 06:40.07 | user01 | 1 = 0 is too vague a statement |
| 06:40.14 | user01 | need more parameters |
| 06:40.19 | rahul | uh |
| 06:40.20 | twobitsprite | not to mention incorrect... |
| 06:40.25 | rahul | 1 = 0 is perfectly precise |
| 06:40.34 | liable | streuner_: tingly! |
| 06:40.38 | rahul | it just happens to be false :) |
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| 06:40.49 | deepz | guys i have installed apache2 |
| 06:41.01 | liable | congrats! :P |
| 06:41.01 | deepz | what abt apache-ssl package |
| 06:41.04 | hark | well done! |
| 06:41.08 | quitte | sigh. how do i make a xen kernel with the debian kernel source? |
| 06:41.13 | markybob | deepz, dont need it |
| 06:41.15 | user01 | rahul: in logic notation yes |
| 06:41.17 | liable | deepz: i think its built into apache2 |
| 06:41.19 | deepz | y??? |
| 06:41.34 | markybob | deepz, laws changed. |
| 06:41.38 | rahul | user01: in math notation, you mean |
| 06:41.41 | deepz | i am not able to fine command apache-ssl |
| 06:41.54 | markybob | deepz dude, listen to me. theorere is no apache-ssl anym |
| 06:41.56 | user01 | it depends on your definition |
| 06:42.02 | markybob | deepz dude, listen to me. there is no apache-ssl anymore |
| 06:42.06 | twobitsprite | user01: of what? math? |
| 06:42.25 | rahul | user01: you can also say that an orange is an apple, if you use the right definitions |
| 06:42.30 | user01 | it depends on what you want to define as a true condition or false one |
| 06:42.31 | deepz | markybob???? |
| 06:42.35 | deepz | y??? |
| 06:42.38 | markybob | deepz, ssl is built into the normal apache. how hard is that to understand? |
| 06:42.41 | rahul | in old english, an orange was an apple |
| 06:42.44 | user01 | most people put it as a false one for simplicity |
| 06:42.46 | deepz | is it integrated with apache2 |
| 06:42.48 | twobitsprite | x!!! |
| 06:42.54 | markybob | deepz, yes |
| 06:43.07 | rahul | user01: no, not for simplicity. because it's false in the commonly accepted definition of mathematical notation |
| 06:43.30 | deepz | any special files for ssl configuration |
| 06:43.32 | user01 | yes we have commonly accepted definitions for simplicity |
| 06:43.46 | user01 | else you wouldnt know an integral from a derivitive |
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| 06:43.54 | rahul | depending on how you define "yes" |
| 06:43.59 | deb_noob | which package is the gstreamer package? |
| 06:44.01 | rahul | and "definition" |
| 06:44.03 | user01 | no |
| 06:44.06 | user01 | :) |
| 06:44.14 | rahul | which definition of "no" are you using? :) |
| 06:44.26 | deepz | makkybob:ssl configuration files |
| 06:44.28 | liable | those core 2 duo things are supposed to be fairly low power drawing arent they? |
| 06:44.31 | twobitsprite | using definition "using" apple? |
| 06:44.36 | rahul | and which defintition of "definition" are you interpreting me as using? |
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| 06:44.45 | user01 | the know one |
| 06:44.45 | markybob | deepz, google. http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html |
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| 06:44.48 | rahul | liable: yeah |
| 06:45.44 | deb_noob | can anyone tell me what packages i need for gstreamer? |
| 06:45.44 | liable | 2.6.18 doesnt do ich8 does it? |
| 06:45.44 | user01 | its like defining x y z you can always changethe coordinate system |
| 06:45.44 | markybob | deb_noob, apt-cache search gstreamer |
| 06:45.44 | rahul | user01: not always |
| 06:45.45 | rahul | user01: first off, you have the parity of the system |
| 06:45.48 | user01 | and why not to a b c > |
| 06:45.55 | rahul | user01: and second, there are non-symmetric metrics |
| 06:45.58 | user01 | in my definition you can |
| 06:46.01 | peterS | liable: ich8 is ahci, no? 2.6.18 does ahci |
| 06:46.01 | deb_noob | markybob: i'm aware of the results, but don't know which to install |
| 06:46.06 | twobitsprite | user01: what you are talking about is like variable assignment in python... you can change what the name points too, but that old thing it pointed to doesn't change |
| 06:46.17 | twobitsprite | user01: I.e. you want to redefine "math" to mean something which is not math |
| 06:46.29 | peterS | liable: well I mean the ata/sata part of ich8, are you referring to other aspects of the chipset? |
| 06:46.32 | liable | peterS: yeah, i guess it is, i just recall someone saying something about ich8 not working. |
| 06:46.43 | deb_noob | markybob: ? |
| 06:46.51 | markybob | deb_noob, well. damn. my lord, man. how about you install the ones that you want? gstreamer and which plugins you want? what's so difficult? what dont you get? |
| 06:46.52 | deepz | markybob: apache2-ssl-certificate what abt this script |
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| 06:46.58 | deepz | its no where to be found |
| 06:47.17 | deb_noob | markybob: i don't get that there's about 30 listed packages |
| 06:47.17 | quitte | this is the longest staying off topic ive ever seen here |
| 06:47.18 | liable | peterS: will have to look into it i guess |
| 06:47.30 | rahul | it's an offtopic marathon! |
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| 06:47.36 | peterS | liable: 'snd-hda-intel' supports the ich8 audio chip, f'rinstance |
| 06:47.37 | user01 | its like time time can be constant in newtonian physics but it isnt in relativity |
| 06:47.46 | rahul | kind of like an I Love Lucy marathon, but more confusing |
| 06:47.54 | liable | heh |
| 06:47.57 | rahul | user01: that's what I'm talking about |
| 06:48.06 | rahul | user01: you can't rotate x into t |
| 06:48.16 | chris_goe | Q: how can I disable local echo in socat? |
| 06:48.20 | chris_goe | I have: "socat -d -d -d serial.sock tcp4-listen:9988" |
| 06:48.35 | chris_goe | where to pass the "echo=0" option? |
| 06:48.36 | peterS | liable: and 'ahci' seems to support ich8 ATA/SATA in 2.6.18, so, yeah. |
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| 06:48.37 | rahul | user01: at least, not blindly. there are other changes you need to make to various things |
| 06:48.46 | user01 | but the 0 = 1 was given with a reference definition |
| 06:48.48 | rahul | user01: and those are only based on physical observations |
| 06:48.55 | user01 | with-without |
| 06:49.10 | twobitsprite | user01: in this case the reference definition is the accepted meaning of those symbols |
| 06:49.12 | liable | peterS: yup. this mobo i am looking at, actually has the jmicron controller that stoned (i think) was talking of earlier |
| 06:49.15 | rahul | user01: the common definitions should be assumed to apply unless otherwise specified |
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| 06:49.24 | liable | but it says its jmicron/ich8 |
| 06:49.32 | rahul | I _really_ _can_ "prove" it. |
| 06:49.34 | peterS | liable: oh actually ich8 can have a separate IDE controller too, which is handled by ata_piix |
| 06:49.42 | user01 | but the case proposed was never not most of the time |
| 06:49.51 | user01 | never and mostof the time arent the same |
| 06:49.51 | liable | peterS: hrm |
| 06:50.06 | peterS | liable: (I'm finding these things out by greppin' /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/modules.pcimap on my machine) |
| 06:50.16 | rahul | user01: I have no idea how to parse that |
| 06:50.18 | liable | so its ich8 chipset, jmicron controller |
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| 06:50.28 | user01 | rahul: grep it |
| 06:50.40 | liable | peterS: nifty, /me takes note. ta |
| 06:50.44 | rahul | grep from where? |
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| 06:50.57 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to synchronize two instances of evolution? i'd like to use it on my desktop and my laptop, but don't want to have to manually sync changes. |
| 06:50.59 | peterS | liable: do you have a link to a specs page for the mobo? exact chip numbers are helpful here |
| 06:51.05 | user01 | choose a reference point and curl it |
| 06:51.11 | twobitsprite | user01: don't get me wrong, but I get the impression that the only exposure to philosophy you've ever had is The Matrix... |
| 06:51.14 | user01 | until it makes sense |
| 06:51.19 | rahul | heh.... |
| 06:51.34 | user01 | never saw the matrix |
| 06:51.35 | rahul | yeah, I'm falling down a rabbit hole, I think |
| 06:51.56 | rahul | and all the rabbits have big claws and fangs |
| 06:51.58 | peterS | I wonder how many viewers of 'the matrix' didn't realise that the white rabbit motif was not original (: |
| 06:52.15 | liable | peterS: actually, it says 4 sataII ich8, one sataII jmicron jmb361 |
| 06:52.17 | user01 | i thought the matrix was a bunch of manachian tripe anyway |
| 06:52.23 | twobitsprite | user01: point remains... study philosophy before ranting meaninglessly... just a suggestion, nothing personal meant |
| 06:52.37 | liable | peterS: which seems a little unusual.. |
| 06:52.40 | user01 | it wasnt philosophy |
| 06:52.53 | liable | peterS: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MSI-P965-INTEL-P4-775-965-MOTHERBOARD-MAINBOARD-DUO-MB_W0QQitemZ180075135402QQihZ008QQcategoryZ111427QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 06:52.56 | twobitsprite | that matrix, or our discussion? |
| 06:52.58 | user01 | it was observation |
| 06:52.58 | peterS | liable: well, both ich8 and jmb361 SATA chips are supported by the 'ahci' kernel module in 2.6.18, so. |
| 06:53.00 | rahul | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/59/6990_poster.jpg <- |
| 06:53.10 | rahul | that's who's in the rabbit hole with me |
| 06:53.10 | liable | peterS: nice |
| 06:53.14 | quitte | seems a waste of time to study ranting meaninglessly |
| 06:53.30 | twobitsprite | quitte: trust me, there is a method :P |
| 06:53.49 | rahul | http://www.eriqx.com/tnm/images/dd_th.jpg ah, that's a good one! |
| 06:53.50 | user01 | well its meaningless for those that 0 never = 1 |
| 06:54.14 | user01 | or who dont want to change perspective |
| 06:54.18 | twobitsprite | I'm still trying to figure out when 0 sometimes = 1... |
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| 06:54.30 | rahul | twobitsprite: when 1 becomes REALLY REALLY REALLY small |
| 06:54.42 | twobitsprite | if by perspective you mean reassociating those symbols with something they obviously were not intended to mean |
| 06:54.56 | peterS | liable: yeah http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=6&id=1987 seems to confirm all this |
| 06:55.00 | user01 | as 1 approaches 0 from the left |
| 06:55.06 | user01 | right |
| 06:55.06 | kakalto | when upgrading console-common on debian etch, I get the following error: "Looking for keymap tinstall: NONE" |
| 06:55.13 | twobitsprite | user01: huh? |
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| 06:55.17 | kakalto | then a syntax error |
| 06:55.19 | rahul | heh |
| 06:55.28 | liable | peterS: danke |
| 06:55.56 | rahul | user01: I can say anything and be right, then |
| 06:56.02 | rahul | just define it to be true |
| 06:56.12 | rahul | user01: and "approach" means that you never reach it |
| 06:56.13 | user01 | thats what most evangelicals do |
| 06:56.19 | markybob | rahul american philosophy! |
| 06:56.26 | rahul | !! |
| 06:56.26 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 06:56.35 | user01 | well mathemeticians take limits all the time |
| 06:56.39 | rahul | dpkg: I define you to be my csh prompt!! |
| 06:56.46 | peterS | liable: but for other components, like the pci express video stuff, I have no idea what is required in the way of kernel support. it's not like agp where you just load the appropriate agp module |
| 06:56.46 | twobitsprite | user01: yes, but 0 = 1 is not a limit |
| 06:56.51 | rahul | user01: and they never say it REACHES the limit |
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| 06:57.02 | user01 | the limit as 1 approaches 0 :) |
| 06:57.08 | user01 | nope |
| 06:57.12 | twobitsprite | user01: that's not what 0 = 1 means |
| 06:57.34 | user01 | you only defined it to one place though |
| 06:57.37 | rahul | 0 = 1 means that the number zero has an equivalent numerical value to the number one. |
| 06:57.52 | liable | peterS: i want onboard intel graphics anyway. this will be going in a micro atx and i need room for a tv card also, just having a quick lookse to see whether i might decide to upgrade or not |
| 06:57.53 | rahul | which is false, but provable if you're not careful. |
| 06:57.56 | user01 | if you were rounding for example 1 might round to 0 |
| 06:58.04 | rahul | user01: rounding doesn't happen in math |
| 06:58.16 | twobitsprite | user01: now you're introducing things outside of the scope of "0 = 1" |
| 06:58.18 | user01 | i learned about it in math . . . |
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| 06:58.26 | quitte | peterS: read the pci express article on wikipedia.de. i hd a look at it a few minutes ago. i seem to recall there is no difference between pci andpcie from the softwares point of view |
| 06:58.27 | rahul | user01: nothing in "0 = 1" indicates any rounding. |
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| 06:58.49 | user01 | rahul: right because the problem wasnt setup beyond that |
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| 06:59.06 | rahul | and I didn't mean anything beyond that |
| 06:59.17 | rahul | _I_ said that. don't tell me what I mean by it :P |
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| 06:59.35 | markybob | wow. i've never felt more geeky to be in #debian |
| 06:59.38 | peterS | quitte: it's not clear to me, from the specs sheet, what the actual graphics chip is in there. when it says 'pci express x16 graphics' does it mean an onboard GPU or some sort of slot like an agp slot? |
| 06:59.59 | peterS | I guess it means an onboard GPU, but the review doesn't say what one |
| 06:59.59 | twobitsprite | user01: you can't just assume external information when someone else is providing it... if I say 1 + 2 = 3, I don't mean plus-or-minus 10 |
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| 07:00.03 | user01 | hmmm you implied never 0 = 1 i simply said not enough information provided |
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| 07:00.19 | quitte | peterS: id guess onboard but i have no idea. |
| 07:00.41 | rahul | user01: no other info needs to be provided. |
| 07:00.42 | liable | i think its just a slot actually |
| 07:01.00 | peterS | actually guys, you know what, this discussion is getting dangerously close to 'depends on what the meaning of "is" is' ... which would be politics again (: |
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| 07:01.12 | quitte | heh |
| 07:01.19 | twobitsprite | user01: he said 0 never = 1, not 0 sometimes = 1... the inverse of what you've been saying is the case... |
| 07:01.21 | user01 | rahul: if you accept standard definition no |
| 07:01.27 | rahul | peterS: it "is" getting? that would depend on what the meaning of "is" is |
| 07:01.39 | twobitsprite | if he meant sometimes, or kinda, or whatever, he would have says 0 ~= 1 |
| 07:01.45 | peterS | I AM THE MEANING OF "IS" |
| 07:01.46 | rahul | user01: I said I can give you a proof. I also said that it's false. |
| 07:01.54 | rahul | I AM IS. |
| 07:01.59 | peterS | I is. |
| 07:02.09 | rahul | I am Jack's distended spleen. |
| 07:02.10 | user01 | twobitsprite: he said 0 never = 1 im saying more information is needd before never can be said |
| 07:02.22 | peterS | I am the walrus. |
| 07:02.26 | chemaja | I am Jack's complete lack of distro affiliation |
| 07:02.29 | chemaja | :P |
| 07:02.53 | rahul | coo-coo-cachooo |
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| 07:03.00 | user01 | false based on the assumption that 0 is never = to 1? :) |
| 07:03.12 | rahul | user01: it's a _definition_, not an assumption |
| 07:03.17 | twobitsprite | ... and then goes to bed |
| 07:03.19 | twobitsprite | night |
| 07:03.22 | rahul | heh |
| 07:03.33 | rahul | Tyler Durden: You just had a near-life experience! |
| 07:03.48 | user01 | so what if someone had the definition that 0 = 1? |
| 07:03.50 | mzuverink | How much more difficult is it to install and configure Debian on a laptop then it is with Ubuntu? Ubuntu is very effortless, I guess I am wondering if Ubuntu grabbed that easy of install from Debian or they themselves made it that way? |
| 07:04.02 | SerajewelKS | user01: then they would flunk college |
| 07:04.06 | rahul | user01: then they'd be using a different language than the one anyone else uses |
| 07:04.10 | peterS | mzuverink: 98% from debian, but it's the last 2% they did themselves that you really notice |
| 07:04.14 | rahul | SerajewelKS: how would they make it to college? |
| 07:04.20 | mzuverink | The reason i ask is that I am very interested in replacing Ubuntu w/ Debian |
| 07:04.31 | user01 | SerajewelKS: nah theyd probably get honors in some liberal arts degree |
| 07:04.52 | twobitsprite | mzuverink: it's not as pretty, but it's pretty much the same :) |
| 07:04.55 | SerajewelKS | rahul: assuming there that someone decided to use that definition after getting their ged |
| 07:04.58 | peterS | mzuverink: actually the other reason you notice is that part of the first 98% they took from debian was taken after debian 3.1, which is what you probably tried |
| 07:04.58 | rahul | I am Jack's wasted life. |
| 07:05.03 | Suprano | lol |
| 07:05.09 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.10 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.14 | HymnToLife | mzuverink, from my personnal experience, it is almost exactly the same |
| 07:05.14 | rahul | SerajewelKS: heh. well, then they're on crack. |
| 07:05.20 | streuner_ | mzuverink: Did you check out linu-laptop.net ? |
| 07:05.26 | streuner_ | mzuverink: Did you check out linux-laptop.net ? |
| 07:05.27 | mzuverink | not yet |
| 07:05.29 | HymnToLife | only difference is that I had to manually compile my wireless drivers |
| 07:05.32 | SerajewelKS | user01: true, they'd probably also be liberal *runs* |
| 07:05.33 | dendrite | peterS: Do you have a lol-guy script? |
| 07:05.34 | quitte | the debian xen kernel lacks a few modules. how do i get the source to build them? |
| 07:05.46 | peterS | dendrite: if I had a script there would not have been that .7 second delay between the two lines |
| 07:05.56 | liable | mzuverink: for laptop stuff, you will prolly have to do some spit and polish with debian |
| 07:06.07 | dendrite | peterS: Ah. =) |
| 07:06.09 | streuner_ | mzuverink: There are really good HOWTO's, tips and trics to install Linux on laptops |
| 07:06.10 | peterS | dendrite: I build my loldudes completelyi by hand |
| 07:06.11 | liable | mzuverink: but if it worked with ubuntu, then at least you know its possible |
| 07:06.17 | quitte | apt-get source linux-image-bla. but then? how do i tell it toi apply the necessary patches for that particularkernel? |
| 07:06.26 | peterS | dendrite: you might have to pay a little more for mine, but you're paying for hand-made quality |
| 07:06.31 | dendrite | peterS: How... Old-world of you! =) |
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| 07:06.58 | peterS | quitte: what necessary patches? |
| 07:07.14 | mzuverink | Thats what I figured, that I would have to compile some stuff for strange laptop hardware, specifically wireless |
| 07:07.20 | SerajewelKS | peterS: can you build rofldudes too? |
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| 07:07.35 | peterS | quitte: oh, you said it already. well, the package is 'linux-source-whatever' |
| 07:07.49 | quitte | peterS: the xen patch for example. i dont know if any other patches are needed. but the linux-source package doesnt have it and asks questions on oldconfig |
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| 07:07.57 | rcbarnes | Anyone here use slrn? I need help connecting to a server that requires SSL. |
| 07:08.01 | rcbarnes | I've done what the site says, but the server logs say I'm not using SSL. |
| 07:08.25 | quitte | peters there is only one linux-source package |
| 07:08.49 | liable | quitte: if you need an older one, go to s.d.n |
| 07:08.52 | peterS | quitte: if you need patches that are not in debian, how am I supposed to know where those patches are? you find them wherever you find them. |
| 07:09.05 | streuner_ | mzuverink: well, in debian its sometimes a firmware problem too... |
| 07:09.29 | peterS | quitte: you can install 'linux-patch-debian-2.6.18' if you want, for a patch that goes on top of a ftp.kernel.org source tarball |
| 07:09.40 | kakalto | anyone else have that problem? |
| 07:09.42 | quitte | i want the very same sources that the kernel in etch was built from. but the build system patches the source tree depending on which kernel it builds |
| 07:09.52 | liable | mzuverink: what wireless chipset? |
| 07:10.32 | streuner_ | mzuverink: Does the laptop have eth? |
| 07:10.32 | quitte | linux-image-2.6.18-3-xen-686. i want the source of it so i can buidl moduleswithout having to boot another kernel |
| 07:10.59 | streuner_ | mzuverink: a normal NIC is helpful, till the wireless stuff works |
| 07:11.04 | mystic_touch | i think is strange anyone noted that in gdmflexiserver sometimes when we change from user the login system simple go to the other user acount and don`t ask the password :x |
| 07:11.13 | mystic_touch | on debian etch |
| 07:11.15 | mystic_touch | :x |
| 07:11.46 | peterS | I think I'll go to bed now, and listen again to beethoven's violin+piano sonata in G, opus 30. pretty nice recording of that on commons.wikimedia.org. |
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| 07:15.05 | mzuverink | The laptop has an intel ipw2200 |
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| 07:16.04 | quitte | Mythbusters: bug number? |
| 07:16.06 | streuner_ | oh |
| 07:16.11 | quitte | mystic_touch: ^ |
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| 07:16.40 | mzuverink | My display goes to screensaver properly but when it is supposed to turn off display power it turns it off and then it comes back in a few seconds as a backlit blank screen. What would be causing this? |
| 07:16.44 | streuner_ | mzuverink: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
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| 07:18.04 | liable | mzuverink: shouldnt have too much trouble with that |
| 07:18.26 | mzuverink | streuner_, I found that info on the ipw2200, seems to be pretty easy |
| 07:18.29 | nvz | mzuverink: that would be the screensaver |
| 07:18.44 | streuner_ | mzuverink: the have a HOWTO about debian too, IIRC |
| 07:19.00 | streuner_ | s/the/they/ |
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| 07:19.04 | nvz | mzuverink: its confusing but if you have what a windows user might think of as a screensaver, you actually have like 3 different screensavers |
| 07:19.39 | mzuverink | nvz ok, so do I just turn them all off? |
| 07:19.41 | nvz | mzuverink: the simple screen blanking is built in to the kernel and the xserver.. the actual screensaver is an application that runs on top |
| 07:20.04 | mzuverink | nvz, gnome-screensaver |
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| 07:20.17 | mystic_touch | quitte yes is me :) |
| 07:20.20 | nvz | mzuverink: man xset |
| 07:20.38 | mzuverink | nvz, gotcha |
| 07:20.49 | nvz | mzuverink: which in xset settings there is even two different blanking methods.. heh |
| 07:20.59 | quitte | is that another of those confusing definitions? |
| 07:21.00 | nvz | mzuverink: the 's' and the 'dpms' options |
| 07:21.24 | agentbob | can't find any djbdns channels, so thought i'd ask in here... is it possible to do wildcard hosts in tinydns? |
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| 07:21.47 | streuner_ | agentbob: did you search at irchelp.org ? |
| 07:21.53 | mystic_touch | quitte i don`t know i finish to report lol :x there are nathign in gdmflexiserver that i can see |
| 07:21.54 | mystic_touch | :x |
| 07:21.57 | stoned | I wasn't expecting much, but yeah, the kmuto d-i images didnt' work either |
| 07:22.00 | mzuverink | nvz, you think that its a screensaver issue? I just really hate closing the lid |
| 07:22.22 | streuner_ | they have/had a search engine... |
| 07:22.22 | agentbob | streuner_: never heard of it |
| 07:22.22 | stoned | PATA controller errors after reboot after installation |
| 07:22.22 | stoned | Kernel hangups |
| 07:22.27 | stoned | goddamn this motherboard |
| 07:22.30 | stoned | FUCK! |
| 07:22.43 | liable | stoned: was it you with the jmicron? |
| 07:22.47 | stoned | yes |
| 07:22.51 | agentbob | streuner_: no luck |
| 07:22.59 | liable | stoned: which mobo? |
| 07:23.09 | stoned | GA 965P S3 by Gigabyte |
| 07:23.11 | nvz | mzuverink: gnome-screensaver or xscreensaver are no way affiliated with the actual xset settings like 'dpms' and 's' or console blanking |
| 07:23.12 | streuner_ | agentbob: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:23.19 | nvz | mzuverink: or acpi or apm.. etc |
| 07:23.28 | quitte | mystic_touch: after i had a look at gdmflexserver i assume that what you described is perfectly normal behaviour. |
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| 07:23.38 | nvz | mzuverink: there are so damn many different things that can provide screensaver-like functionality |
| 07:23.38 | agentbob | streuner_: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:23.43 | agentbob | ..why? |
| 07:23.46 | stoned | I think I might just order a sata dvdrw |
| 07:23.57 | nvz | mzuverink: on an lcd a screensaver isnt nessicary anyhow.. its not like going to burn in or something |
| 07:23.58 | stoned | that will solve all my problems |
| 07:24.14 | stoned | because the sky2 provides my gigabit ethernet driver |
| 07:24.23 | nvz | mzuverink: for power saving you just want to use acpi most likely |
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| 07:24.49 | mzuverink | nvz, if I disable both apm and acpi it sleeps proper, but then it wont allow me to reenable them! |
| 07:25.19 | nvz | I swear attributing munchies to smoking pot is rediculous.. I havent stopped fucking eating since I stopped smoking.. and no that wasnt like 5 min ago either.. heh |
| 07:25.22 | stoned | well I'm backing up my hdd now |
| 07:25.25 | stoned | 250gb |
| 07:25.29 | stoned | gonna be a while |
| 07:25.44 | nvz | I'd normally get high and sit around.. now I just feel like eating all the time cause I have nothing else to do |
| 07:25.49 | stoned | I almost lost this HDD the other day, for a few days it was lost, and then I repalced the cable and it was fine but damn |
| 07:25.50 | mystic_touch | quitte don`t know |
| 07:25.57 | stoned | that taught me a very important lesson |
| 07:26.02 | stoned | BACKUP your data |
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| 07:26.24 | mzuverink | nvz, then on the odd occasion that I take it to travel the power junk thats disabled will not give me any info regarding batter life etc |
| 07:26.39 | nvz | stoned: I've been taught that lesson a million ways. and I still dont backup |
| 07:26.40 | liable | nvz: i never used to get the munchies when i smoked pot |
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| 07:26.46 | agentbob | streuner_: n/m found answer to wildcards... |
| 07:26.54 | nvz | liable: me either.. makes me forget to eat if anything |
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| 07:27.05 | stoned | nvz, well I'm backing up everything on a 320GB partition on a 500GB disk |
| 07:27.20 | stoned | gonna take my 250gb disk when its done and put it in a closet |
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| 07:27.35 | streuner_ | agentbob: me too ;-) http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/tinydns-data.html |
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| 07:27.47 | liable | its got gay pr0n on it? |
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| 07:27.56 | agentbob | streuner_: hehe |
| 07:28.00 | streuner_ | haha |
| 07:28.16 | stoned | liable, so much you'd be amazed |
| 07:28.16 | nvz | stoned: why, it'd be safer burried like 6ft or so underground in a fire safe.. heh |
| 07:28.30 | stoned | nvz, its got all my papers i've written since high school |
| 07:28.34 | agentbob | streuner_: now just gotta figure out axfr.. but think i need sleep |
| 07:28.50 | agentbob | streuner_: why the libc6 question btw? |
| 07:28.52 | nvz | stoned: I could fit that on a damn 8" floppy |
| 07:28.54 | stoned | nvz, my phone numbers lists, documents, handpicked porn collection, 7 years of music ocllecting |
| 07:28.57 | mzuverink | Another question, will grup allow loading an OS that is installed on a usb hd even if the machine does not have the option to boot via usb? grub would be on the mbr of the laptops hd(internal) |
| 07:29.01 | nvz | I dont write shit really.. heh |
| 07:29.10 | stoned | nvz, no to mention game isos |
| 07:29.14 | stoned | not* |
| 07:29.47 | liable | nvz: lol, you should read some of your irc logs :P |
| 07:29.51 | streuner_ | agentbob: well, we support Debian... |
| 07:29.52 | stoned | I bought this core 2 duo e6300 just to overclock it and see 2 cores @ 3.00ghz on debian |
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| 07:30.05 | stoned | apart from the jmicron pata controller |
| 07:30.06 | nvz | liable: I dont need to I know what kind of shit I say.. heh |
| 07:30.09 | agentbob | streuner_: ah, heh k |
| 07:30.09 | karsten | mzuverink: Not sure. If the USB is BIOS-visible it should. If not, no. |
| 07:30.11 | stoned | it should be sweet |
| 07:30.18 | pstickne | mzuverink, mounting usb devices comes really late in the boot cycle. I think you'd need some kind of special boot kernel/image setup. |
| 07:30.24 | karsten | mzuverink: Might be able to bootstrap it with a carefully crafted DOS initrd type deal. |
| 07:30.27 | agentbob | thx for help |
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| 07:30.32 | stoned | I can get debian on it, just won't be able to watch dvd's or access optical media under debian |
| 07:30.39 | mzuverink | Ok, thanks |
| 07:30.45 | karsten | pstickne: BIOS-visible USB (usually emulated as floppy) might work. |
| 07:30.45 | quitte | stoned: why not? |
| 07:30.51 | stoned | quitte, no drivers |
| 07:30.58 | quitte | huh? |
| 07:31.07 | mzuverink | karsten, the usb disk is not bios visible |
| 07:31.22 | stoned | quitte, NO... DRIVERS... |
| 07:31.30 | quitte | stoned: vesafb should be enough for watchoing dvds on that box |
| 07:31.38 | karsten | mzuverink: What are you trying to boot from USB? |
| 07:31.44 | stoned | quitte, don't worry about it man |
| 07:31.44 | nvz | liable: besides I hate looking at something and seeing I've been recorded doing something I know I'd never do.. like that damn picture of me eating a bagel in my JR High year book.. I'd never eat a fucking bagel |
| 07:32.08 | mzuverink | karsten, I was thinking of trying to install another linux on it |
| 07:32.15 | liable | nvz: of course |
| 07:32.26 | nvz | bagels are hard ass bread.. if I was gonna eat some bread I would eat some easier to chew than a bagel like a muffin or something |
| 07:32.34 | nvz | or a biscut |
| 07:32.36 | mzuverink | karsten, currently it is glaring at me with 1800 gigs of free space |
| 07:32.38 | stoned | fuck bagels |
| 07:32.42 | mzuverink | *180 |
| 07:32.45 | karsten | mzuverink: initrd w/ USB support. |
| 07:32.50 | karsten | stoned: That's what the holes are for. |
| 07:32.50 | stoned | nvz, they're the jawbreakers of bread |
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| 07:33.08 | stoned | who came up with such stupid food product |
| 07:33.09 | nvz | stoned: see.. and they published a picture of me eating one somehow.. and I know its never happened |
| 07:33.12 | stoned | should be shot |
| 07:33.18 | streuner_ | mzuverink: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 07:33.35 | liable | nvz: must have been when you were stoned with the munchies! :) |
| 07:33.41 | stoned | hehe |
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| 07:33.50 | stoned | nvz indulges or used to |
| 07:34.14 | stoned | meh |
| 07:34.17 | mzuverink | karsten, what specificall do you want to know? |
| 07:34.26 | stoned | 28 of 250gb copied so far |
| 07:34.29 | stoned | its been 15 minutes |
| 07:34.32 | karsten | mzuverink: I don't ;-) |
| 07:34.45 | mzuverink | karsten, opps |
| 07:35.04 | stoned | 25gb every 15 minutes |
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| 07:35.11 | stoned | isn't that kinda slow for sata300 |
| 07:35.14 | mzuverink | streuner_, What specifically did you want to know regarding the out put? |
| 07:35.39 | streuner_ | mzuverink: just tell us the whole output of that command |
| 07:35.55 | mzuverink | Linux version 2.6.17-10-generic (root@terranova) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060928 (prerelease) (Ubuntu 4.1.1-13ubuntu5)) #2 SMP Tue Dec 5 22:28:26 UTC 2006 (Ubuntu 2.6.17-10.34-generic) |
| 07:35.56 | nvz | stoned: its kinda fast for me.. I dont even use ultra ata cables half the time on my old ass PATA shit. |
| 07:36.14 | stoned | so at this rate we're looking at |
| 07:36.15 | stoned | what |
| 07:36.20 | stoned | 2.5 hours |
| 07:36.24 | nvz | wow, look who's not using debian |
| 07:36.39 | stoned | lol |
| 07:36.43 | stoned | I wonder what I'm running |
| 07:37.01 | stoned | uname: invalid option -- t |
| 07:37.01 | stoned | Try `uname --help' for more information. |
| 07:37.04 | stoned | doh |
| 07:37.04 | streuner_ | mzuverink: is that the output giving the command in a shell of the laptop? |
| 07:37.06 | stoned | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 07:37.09 | stoned | Linux laptop 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:37:06 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:37.15 | stoned | there we go, -a damn it |
| 07:37.19 | mzuverink | streuner_, yes |
| 07:37.31 | streuner_ | so you are a fucking liar |
| 07:37.37 | liable | he said he was using ubuntu |
| 07:37.40 | pstickne | stoned, that seems kind of slow. it's only ~28MB/s. |
| 07:37.47 | stoned | pstickne, i know |
| 07:37.48 | streuner_ | he said he want to switch to debian! |
| 07:37.53 | mzuverink | yes I did state Ubuntu |
| 07:38.00 | liable | streuner_: he didnt say he had already |
| 07:38.02 | stoned | I wonder if the 250gb still has that force sata150 jumper |
| 07:38.04 | mzuverink | streuner_, thats correct also |
| 07:38.06 | stoned | cuz that would suck |
| 07:38.13 | pstickne | stoned, you've benchmarked with bonnie? |
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| 07:38.20 | stoned | pstickne, nope, I'm on windows |
| 07:38.28 | rustam_t | hi, all! |
| 07:38.29 | nvz | heh |
| 07:38.29 | stoned | this pc I have not installed debian on yet |
| 07:38.32 | streuner_ | liable: and bananas are round, eh? |
| 07:38.33 | stoned | just built it like a few days ago |
| 07:38.36 | stoned | oh oh oh oh nvz |
| 07:38.46 | stoned | nvz, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ss/oc.jpg |
| 07:38.49 | stoned | nvz, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ss/stable.jpg |
| 07:38.52 | liable | mzuverink: if you want to fix ubuntu stuff, ask in #ubuntu, when you install debian, come back here |
| 07:38.52 | nvz | windows has an I/O slave that takes a shit and wipes its ass with each byte of data |
| 07:38.53 | stoned | nvz, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/cart.jpg |
| 07:39.00 | pstickne | stoned, it sounds like it should be a good bit faster than that.... but you need to benchmark to find out the culprit. |
| 07:39.02 | stoned | nvz, check it |
| 07:39.02 | liable | streuner_: if you squish em very carefully |
| 07:39.04 | nvz | so naturally it takes longer |
| 07:39.05 | mzuverink | Seems 80% of that packages on my machine come from debian repos anyways, why not go all the way |
| 07:39.07 | stoned | nvz, my new system |
| 07:39.13 | streuner_ | liable: :-P |
| 07:39.22 | stoned | nvz, I got a diff psu/case but all else is same. |
| 07:39.34 | stoned | nvz, 1200mhz overclock fully stable im so happy |
| 07:39.41 | Growly | so guys, if i want the source for the current kernel i'm using, what's the best package to apt-get? |
| 07:39.47 | Growly | and does it turn up in /usr/srv |
| 07:39.50 | Growly | */usr/src ? |
| 07:40.03 | stoned | pstickne, I think I might still have the sata150 force jumper still in the drive |
| 07:40.21 | stoned | pstickne, cuz it really is only running at 150gbps afaict |
| 07:40.28 | liable | mzuverink: its really annoying etiing laptops to work well with debian, but its kinda fun all the same. if you are thinking of trying it, just put etch on its own partition and have a play |
| 07:40.32 | stoned | i mean its pretty slow |
| 07:41.07 | pstickne | stoned, sataXX => XX in Gbps??? |
| 07:41.22 | stoned | what did I say? |
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| 07:41.38 | liable | stoned: /lastlog stoned |
| 07:42.09 | mzuverink | liable, thanks, sorry to have bothered you with using ubuntu, but there are several odd behaviors ubuntu demonstrates that I am trying to discern if they come from upstream debian or from ubuntu |
| 07:42.13 | stoned | oh |
| 07:42.19 | stoned | I mean 3gbps |
| 07:42.20 | stoned | not 300 |
| 07:42.24 | stoned | excuse moi |
| 07:42.29 | nvz | stoned: what are you trying to do make me puke? windowsxp and mirc? |
| 07:42.32 | pstickne | ohh, how crazy |
| 07:42.42 | stoned | nvz, what? go away.. I'll install debian soon |
| 07:42.43 | pstickne | yeah, sata150 = 1.5Gbps according to wiki |
| 07:42.45 | stoned | I just built this thing |
| 07:43.01 | mzuverink | liable, specifically the laptop power stuff and some flaky sound issues |
| 07:43.08 | liable | mzuverink: check linux-laptops.net and tuxmobil.org too |
| 07:43.15 | pstickne | This encoding scheme has an efficiency of 80%, resulting in an actual data transfer rate of 1.2 Gbit/s, or 150 megabytes per second (MB/s). |
| 07:43.29 | pstickne | being in SATA150 mode shouldn't be the limiting factor ^^ |
| 07:43.30 | streuner_ | liable: we told that him before. |
| 07:43.32 | liable | mzuverink: ubuntu has a lot more laptop capability, so its likely there doing |
| 07:43.42 | stoned | pstickne, thats what I'm wondering |
| 07:43.43 | liable | streuner_: just in case he forgot :P |
| 07:43.52 | mzuverink | liable, google provides me with several links to the same issue, but all of them have no solutions. |
| 07:43.53 | stoned | pstickne, I don't think 7200 rpm drives can hit sata2 speeds |
| 07:44.01 | stoned | hell, can't even top 150 |
| 07:44.10 | liable | mzuverink: eh, such is life with linux on laptops |
| 07:44.45 | streuner_ | mzuverink: you are using ubuntu, so /j #ubuntu and ask there. |
| 07:44.47 | stoned | hey cool |
| 07:44.49 | pstickne | stoned, I'm pretty sure they can. at least for sequential reads. try sandra comparisons. |
| 07:44.50 | stoned | 60gb copied |
| 07:44.56 | stoned | ok |
| 07:45.08 | stoned | If I smoke a joint and play guitar it will be done by the time I'm done |
| 07:45.09 | stoned | ! |
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| 07:45.15 | pstickne | stoned, and increasing the hd sizes increases the read speed for a given rpm (assuming other things held constant) |
| 07:45.26 | mzuverink | liable, thanks again, Ill take my ubuntu using ass back to where no one there knows the solution either... |
| 07:45.33 | stoned | pstickne, I don't know much hardware |
| 07:45.38 | stoned | or anything about computers really |
| 07:45.45 | stoned | I'm quite clueless |
| 07:46.03 | stoned | I can click a mouse, I mean... |
| 07:46.03 | pstickne | stoned, just that the dense the information is stored, the more will move under a head in the same given period of time |
| 07:46.15 | stoned | pstickne, that makes sense |
| 07:46.33 | liable | mzuverink: k, good luck, come back when you have debian, and we can tell you we dont know too :P |
| 07:46.48 | tralala | hooray! Abit's uGuru is now supported in linux and I have got my lmsensors working |
| 07:46.53 | stoned | we really need to try and come up with a CHEAP ($100) for 100GB of non-volatile RAM |
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| 07:46.56 | stoned | that would be sweet |
| 07:47.26 | stoned | thats not too much.. I'm not asking 512mb non volatile for like 50 bucks |
| 07:47.35 | stoned | course it will still be expensive but damn, it would be nice |
| 07:47.39 | stoned | I can think of a few applications of it |
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| 07:48.05 | streuner_ | liable :why not just help in ##linux or and other channel too, if you think in this way? |
| 07:48.25 | quitte | Growly: apt-get source nameofthekernel. then run debian/rules inside the created directoryy and find thedirectory for your kernel in debian/build/source-*. good luck |
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| 07:48.25 | liable | streuner_: what do you mean? |
| 07:48.45 | streuner_ | liable: you don't give a damn what somebody running. |
| 07:48.54 | stoned | streuner_, do you? |
| 07:48.59 | streuner_ | sure. |
| 07:49.03 | stoned | why? |
| 07:49.18 | streuner_ | because we are here in #debian and NOT in ##linux? |
| 07:49.24 | liable | streuner_: i do, i told him to ask in #ubuntu for ubuntu stuff, and come back here when he has debian. what do you think i said? |
| 07:49.25 | stoned | liable, see that? |
| 07:49.41 | liable | stoned: what, where, when! |
| 07:49.51 | stoned | I see dead people. |
| 07:49.58 | liable | me too! |
| 07:50.03 | rahul | I see stoned people |
| 07:50.05 | liable | they server me beer |
| 07:50.07 | stoned | person |
| 07:50.11 | rahul | heh |
| 07:50.11 | stoned | rahul, person |
| 07:50.13 | stoned | :D |
| 07:50.23 | rahul | pass it around, bastard! |
| 07:50.35 | concept10 | im just tring to figure out do I use my thumb or middle finger on this chord |
| 07:50.37 | stoned | one of these days some ops gonna get ticked off at me |
| 07:50.40 | liable | drugs are bad, mmkay |
| 07:50.44 | stoned | concept10, which chord |
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| 07:51.08 | concept10 | stoned, d flat major |
| 07:51.10 | stoned | concept10, which position and which key? depends on whats next. There is no universal piano fingering |
| 07:51.32 | stoned | it depends on whats next, so you can find an economical way to switch to the next chord |
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| 07:51.55 | concept10 | stoned, do you still have that channel? |
| 07:52.08 | stoned | yes I do |
| 07:52.16 | streuner_ | liable: go to hell, dude. |
| 07:52.16 | stoned | I got another guy from another channel in there too |
| 07:52.20 | stoned | he owns a recording studio |
| 07:52.33 | stoned | he was trying to get me in his studio and was tlaking to his partner |
| 07:52.55 | liable | streuner_: i hope you are kidding, if your not, then i am lost for words.. |
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| 07:53.31 | streuner_ | For somebody who help others who lying to us and we are wasting our time? |
| 07:53.59 | tralala | streuner_, you're wasting your time here anyway |
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| 07:54.33 | Growly | quitte - thanks, but debian/rules? is that a folder/file reference? |
| 07:54.41 | streuner_ | tralala: scroll, i wasn't the only one who tried to help... |
| 07:54.49 | streuner_ | tralala: scroll up. |
| 07:55.23 | tralala | streuner_, I mean generally. You (we) don't gain anything here - just wasting time. |
| 07:55.26 | quitte | Growly: debian is a folder that all sourcetrees used to build debian packages have. the rules makefile is also used in all debian packages |
| 07:55.55 | tralala | oh, well - occasionaly we learn something new |
| 07:56.04 | quitte | Growly: maybe you should add some argument to debian/rules. i just interrupted once the directory i wanted was created |
| 07:56.40 | quitte | aaaaahhhh. I said folder. I can't believe it. |
| 07:56.40 | concept10 | damn, I didnt know vlc did shoutcast |
| 07:57.08 | liable | !beat quitte |
| 07:59.00 | liable | tralala: like, 0 is actually 1! |
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| 07:59.05 | concept10 | force quit has got to be the best option ever |
| 07:59.06 | stoned | tralala, taking _our_ time to support a distro we love/use (no mush stuff) is hardly a waste of our time |
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| 07:59.48 | larsl | I'm getting lots of crashes with backtraces starting inside libc after the latest updates (using Etch), has anyone else seen that? |
| 08:00.27 | liable | larsl: havent seen anyone lse complaining, bts is prolly the best bet |
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| 08:00.37 | tralala | liable, so now you see it too! |
| 08:00.49 | stoned | tralala, you can consider your time wasted, if you lead a sad and depressed life, or you can think of it as time well spent in helping others, "true selflessness"? if you lead a happy fulfilling life. You seem pessemistic. |
| 08:01.10 | liable | oh dear |
| 08:01.16 | quitte | 0=1 |
| 08:01.20 | tralala | stoned, boy, cut down the crack |
| 08:01.29 | stoned | tralala, is that your response? |
| 08:01.45 | stoned | I mean you know I'm making sense. Is this what you have to say to that |
| 08:01.47 | stoned | tsk tsk. |
| 08:01.51 | tralala | I don't really want to get into this kind of discussion |
| 08:01.56 | larsl | I recently built a 2.6.20-rc5-rt7 kernel using make-kpkg, do I need to rebuild libc as well then? |
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| 08:02.06 | larsl | It worked yesterday with the same kernel though. |
| 08:02.08 | quitte | no |
| 08:02.10 | liable | larsl: nope |
| 08:02.30 | liable | larsl: a stable kernel doesnt barf though? |
| 08:02.37 | predder | I have a bunch of servers running a debian sarge install of mysql. This installs the user "debian-sys-maint" in the mysql.user permission table. On sunday afternoon I receieved a notification that "warning : 1 client is using or hasn't closed the table properly" and it referred to the debian-sys-maint user... this is weird as it happened within 10 minutes across 4 unrelated servers... any ideas? |
| 08:03.04 | stoned | attack! |
| 08:03.08 | stoned | j/k |
| 08:03.14 | larsl | liable: I haven't actually tried the Debian 2.6.18 kernel with my latest package updates yet. |
| 08:03.31 | larsl | Is there a log where I can see which packages I installed at what times? |
| 08:03.59 | streuner_ | larsl:no, but you could use ls in /var/lib/dpkg/info... |
| 08:04.00 | liable | larsl: /var/log/dpkg.log or also aptitudes log if you use aptitude |
| 08:04.08 | larsl | No, just apt-get. |
| 08:04.38 | liable | larsl: check bts for libc6 and lkml |
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| 08:06.12 | karsten | larsl: If you use aptitude, yes. |
| 08:06.12 | liable | predder: yikes, was there a security update for mysql related stuffs recently? |
| 08:06.17 | karsten | !tell larsl about aptitude |
| 08:06.20 | tralala | liable, dpkg.log? Sarge doesn't seem to have one |
| 08:06.22 | liable | he has etch, dpkg logs |
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| 08:06.37 | tralala | oh, okay |
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| 08:08.37 | erpo | How can I rotate my screen by 90 degrees in software? Or, failing that, how can I display a text file sideways so that I can read it laying in bed on my laptop? |
| 08:08.46 | karsten | erpo: randr |
| 08:08.47 | liable | hah |
| 08:09.09 | karsten | !randr |
| 08:09.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 3r is Rotate and Resize (and Reflect) extensions for XFree86, that allow the xserver to inform the x-clients of desktop size (etc) changes, so they can update themselves. http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/randr/ |
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| 08:09.34 | liable | i wonder if festival can read it to him in his sleep |
| 08:09.46 | khaleel5000 | sorry |
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| 08:09.57 | karsten | liable: If festival's reading, he won't be sleeping. |
| 08:10.01 | erpo | xrandr -o left |
| 08:10.04 | erpo | has no effect |
| 08:10.08 | tralala | karsten, I would |
| 08:10.13 | liable | karsten: it doesnt sound nice? |
| 08:10.26 | karsten | erpo: I'm not sure that it can do that, but it's your best bet. |
| 08:10.31 | tralala | erpo, xrandr will display a list of supported rotations (if anY) |
| 08:10.32 | liable | karsten: it doesnt have a smooth calming voice? |
| 08:10.53 | erpo | xrandr says the only rotation possible is "normal" |
| 08:11.06 | karsten | erpo: If you've got a LWN subscription: http://lwn.net/Articles/218380/ |
| 08:11.13 | tralala | erpo, then you can't rotate it |
| 08:11.14 | karsten | erpo: If not, wait a week. |
| 08:11.37 | liable | you should sleep on your back anyway :P |
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| 08:12.46 | erpo | I don't have a LWN subscription. |
| 08:13.15 | erpo | I wonder why I can't rotate my display....I wouldn't think rotation would be hardware dependent. |
| 08:13.40 | karsten | erpo: Um. I _think_ it is. |
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| 08:13.54 | karsten | erpo: Has to do with X drivers and capabilities. May need XGL |
| 08:14.11 | erpo | :/ |
| 08:14.11 | karsten | erpo: More: http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/randr/ |
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| 08:14.34 | erpo | Yeah, I saw that link earlier. Thanks. |
| 08:14.39 | liable | isnt it an option in xorg.conf too? |
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| 08:14.51 | tralala | erpo, rotation is driver dependent but I don't know which drivers support it |
| 08:15.08 | tralala | X driver manuals should mention if it is supported |
| 08:15.19 | karsten | erpo: If and/or when gravity's on here you might ask him. |
| 08:15.23 | erpo | Well, I'm using the proprietary binary nvidia drivers, which support 3d acceleration and almost nothing else. |
| 08:15.24 | liable | just tip your laptop over |
| 08:15.25 | karsten | erpo: He's the xorg DD. |
| 08:15.39 | erpo | DD? |
| 08:15.43 | karsten | !dd |
| 08:15.43 | dpkg | i guess dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 08:15.54 | erpo | ah |
| 08:16.05 | stoned | pstickne, its been about 55 minutes. 150GB is backed up and 100 more to go |
| 08:16.15 | erpo | I read "He's using xorg DD" and I thought it was a different version. |
| 08:16.24 | stoned | karsten, take 'er easy |
| 08:16.29 | erpo | Thanks karsten. Night night. |
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| 08:24.44 | liable | !dict lexual |
| 08:24.48 | dpkg | could not find definition for lexual |
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| 08:25.16 | lexual | ? |
| 08:25.19 | liable | hrm, thought it might have been like a furry or something.. :) |
| 08:25.33 | liable | !seen furrywolf |
| 08:25.34 | dpkg | furrywolf <~randyg@ip68-105-23-171.hu.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 547d 4h 38m 30s ago, saying: 'mdh: none of the available tools output windoze-linked binaries with windoze libs, etc? :P'. |
| 08:25.37 | larsl | I get crashes with 2.6.18 as well... can the netinst CD reinstall only the root partition, and leave /home intact (without creating new home directories somewhere else)? |
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| 08:26.35 | liable | larsl: yep, havent tried downgrading libc6 (though it will prolly take a few packages down with it) |
| 08:28.22 | larsl | liable: Downgrade to what? |
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| 08:28.22 | erpo | Hmm. I think I might need to add a line to my xorg.conf. I'll come back and let you all know if it works. |
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| 08:28.24 | liable | larsl: the previous version, which should still be in your cache unless you cleaned it |
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| 08:28.47 | liable | larsl: have you checked the bts though? |
| 08:28.53 | larsl | The things that crash seems to have no special connection, it's XMMS, noatun (but only when playing a HTTP playlist), alsaplayer, the nVidia "glx" module (had to comment out 'Load "glx"' in the xorg.conf file). |
| 08:28.59 | larsl | liable: Yeah, didn't see anything. |
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| 08:29.19 | tralala | larsl, if / is a different partition you can reinstall without affecting /home |
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| 08:29.26 | erpo | Hah. xrandr -o 3 works great. |
| 08:29.45 | erpo | The solution was to add Option "RandRRotation" "True" to the driver section of my xorg.conf. |
| 08:29.56 | tralala | erpo, does xrandr report supported rotations? |
| 08:30.15 | liable | erpo: noice, now you can watch pr0n sideways in bed |
| 08:30.18 | erpo | Yes. |
| 08:30.41 | tralala | !spank liable |
| 08:31.00 | erpo | normal, left, inverted, right. |
| 08:31.01 | tralala | ascii porn ^^ |
| 08:31.13 | erpo | eek |
| 08:31.18 | liable | !botlove |
| 08:31.22 | liable | meh |
| 08:31.28 | erpo | Actually, I'm reading Snow Crash. |
| 08:31.54 | liable | ebook? |
| 08:32.03 | erpo | Eh. Text files. |
| 08:32.24 | liable | but a book of text files? |
| 08:32.27 | tralala | I'll give that option a try - my monitor rotates 90 degrees so if I can have xrandr rotate my screen it'll be much nicer to read stuff |
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| 08:32.39 | erpo | liable: Yes. |
| 08:32.43 | liable | is there an ebook standard, thats not text or sumthing? |
| 08:33.06 | liable | gawd, i sound like i'm from philly |
| 08:33.14 | liable | !phillismite me |
| 08:33.14 | tralala | So I'll call today not totally wasted |
| 08:33.16 | erpo | liable: Yes, microsoft drm ebook format, some other proprietary thing, and pdf+drm. |
| 08:33.28 | liable | erpo: blah |
| 08:33.38 | liable | tralala: you learned! |
| 08:34.00 | tralala | I did - how amaizing is this! |
| 08:34.44 | liable | quite, i find it happens less and less, when i first started here it was like a treasure trove of information |
| 08:35.10 | liable | now i just waste time here |
| 08:35.27 | tralala | bwahahaha |
| 08:35.50 | yang | what is wrong with this line - shutdown -h -t 600 time Server is going to reboot in 10 min |
| 08:37.01 | tralala | It does indeed happen less and less - we know all the easy answers now and it's only the real hard problems that remain unsolved - like my pathetic sata disk performance. |
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| 08:37.44 | liable | yang: what does it do? |
| 08:37.50 | yang | nothing |
| 08:38.01 | tralala | yang, wait 10 minutes |
| 08:38.06 | liable | hah |
| 08:38.24 | yang | i think it runs help |
| 08:38.58 | larsl | Can I tell the netinstaller to use an existing /home partition? Or do I have to tell it to create new /home directories on the root partition, and then change it manually? |
| 08:39.20 | liable | yang: i think your 'time' is foobarred |
| 08:39.42 | yang | shutdown -t 600 -h Server is going to reboot in 10 min. - this wont work either |
| 08:40.40 | liable | yang: shutdown -t 600 -h now blah msg |
| 08:40.51 | yang | i don't want to shutdown "no" |
| 08:40.53 | yang | now |
| 08:41.07 | yang | but in 10 minutes |
| 08:41.13 | liable | yang: try it |
| 08:41.23 | tralala | yang, sleep 10m; poweroff |
| 08:41.43 | liable | the man page doesnt quite make sense, seeing as it wants -t and 'time' |
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| 08:42.17 | rahul | -t is different from "time" |
| 08:42.24 | liable | i read it, as it will call shutdown now, after 600 |
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| 08:44.41 | liable | ah, try, -t 30 -h time xx:xx should send the msg after thirty and shutdown at xx:xx |
| 08:44.41 | liable | eh? |
| 08:45.15 | yang | its allready been shut down with "now" heh |
| 08:45.39 | liable | yang: it shut it down immediatly? |
| 08:45.45 | yang | yes |
| 08:45.58 | liable | hrm, doesnt work like i thought then |
| 08:46.14 | yang | it doesnt make sense having -t and time |
| 08:46.37 | yang | i ll experiment later again |
| 08:46.37 | liable | or it will send the msg, 600 secs after 'now' :) |
| 08:47.03 | liable | now i am gonna have to try this |
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| 08:47.27 | SeraVitae | Hi there, I was just wondering what command i might use to install *.deb packages. |
| 08:47.46 | SeraVitae | i'm running ubuntu but I have special kernel-image/kernel-header packages in .deb format i need to install |
| 08:47.55 | streuner_ | #ubuntu |
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| 08:48.11 | SeraVitae | i'm in there, they seem to be missing/ignoring/too busy for my question. |
| 08:48.32 | SeraVitae | i thought installing deb packages would be the same on any debian based distribution |
| 08:48.36 | tralala | SeraVitae, man dpkg |
| 08:49.08 | tralala | SeraVitae, hopefully you're installing ubuntu packages and not just any .debs |
| 08:49.22 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 08:49.22 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 08:49.45 | streuner_ | ... same goes for debian based distros (debs) |
| 08:50.14 | SeraVitae | tralala - someone on ubuntu forums made linux-header and linux-image to fix some issues for core2duo. it just so happens he compiled it to *.deb on edgy, which im using, and he has the exact same motherboard and cpu as me |
| 08:50.49 | tralala | SeraVitae, good |
| 08:50.53 | streuner_ | SeraVitae: did you read /topic yet? |
| 08:51.21 | SeraVitae | yes, i did. |
| 08:51.29 | tralala | SeraVitae, keep in mind that if these packages break your ubuntu we won't be able to help |
| 08:51.34 | streuner_ | but you just ignoring it. |
| 08:51.35 | SeraVitae | i know |
| 08:51.49 | SeraVitae | streuner_ i think the fact that im running ubuntu has little to do with me trying to figure out what command to install a deb package is. |
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| 08:52.12 | Caitriona | dpkg --install at your own risk. |
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| 08:52.31 | tralala | SeraVitae, now you do know the command and the risks. I hope that settles it. |
| 08:52.36 | Caitriona | but man dpkg would have told you that. |
| 08:52.53 | SeraVitae | yeah, i didn't use --, that's why it didn't work. thanks. |
| 08:52.56 | liable | yang: hrm, i tried this, and i am still here.. laptop:~# shutdown -t 5 -r 5 you idiot |
| 08:53.31 | liable | and my console says... sytem is going down for reboot in 5 minutes you idiot :) |
| 08:53.55 | yang | ok |
| 08:54.03 | liable | ohnos, /me scarmbles to kill shutdown |
| 08:54.49 | yang | liable: thanks for trying |
| 08:55.00 | Growly | thanks quitte |
| 08:55.08 | Growly | sorry, tha was way up there ^^ |
| 08:55.19 | liable | yang: so, after 5 secs, i got the message, then in 5 mins, the system halts |
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| 08:56.12 | quitte | so thedebian kernels have the shpchp module for the standard pci hotplug controller which automatically gets loaded on my system. but the config has the polling disabled as it is experimental. as i understand it that means that no hotplug events are generated. so what am i supposed to do if i removed or added a caaard to let the kernel know abou the changes on the bus? |
| 08:56.20 | liable | hrm, actually, i get the msg instantly, i dunno what -t is supposed to do |
| 08:56.23 | liable | yang: ^^ |
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| 08:56.52 | deb_noob | does anyone know what folder to extract the flash plugins to for konqueror? |
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| 08:57.15 | MercuryFree2 | Why hello. I'm attempting to install the 802.11 subsystem on debian 3.1r4, and it's really hating me. I've installed the kernel headers / sources etc so that drama is fixed, but now it's giving me like 15 random errors while compiling the 802.11, among which are "error: struct ieee80211_device has no member named crypt" and "error: too many arguments to function memcpy" and "warning: type defaults to int in dec |
| 08:57.32 | quitte | deb_noob: in the .mozilla/plugins/ _directory_ I'd think |
| 08:57.39 | MercuryFree2 | *what I've done wrong? Cheers in advance. |
| 08:57.39 | tralala | deb_noob, I think you can tell konqueror to use mozilla's plugins |
| 08:58.21 | tralala | MercuryFree2, how exactly did you compile the module and which module is this? |
| 08:58.36 | liable | yang: oh, the -t is for innit to tell processes, so, you dont get new logins etc and blah blah as the man page says |
| 08:58.49 | deb_noob | okay it's working, thank you. |
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| 08:59.33 | MercuryFree2 | tralala - i am compiling 802.11 with simply the 'make' command and nothing else. the module in question is 'ieee802.11_module.c' |
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| 09:00.13 | tralala | MercuryFree2, where did you get the sources from? |
| 09:00.14 | liable | MercuryFree2: are you installing ipw3945? |
| 09:00.25 | MercuryFree2 | tralala - from apt0get |
| 09:00.31 | MercuryFree2 | liable - yes, but i have yet to get to that point |
| 09:00.36 | tralala | MercuryFree2, and the package name is? |
| 09:00.40 | boddy | hii all I have downloaded lastest debian via torrent and installed but kernel version is 2.4 how can I upgrade kernel ? |
| 09:00.45 | MercuryFree2 | ummmm |
| 09:00.49 | liable | MercuryFree2: what kernel you got? |
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| 09:01.15 | tralala | boddy, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 09:01.43 | MercuryFree2 | i think it was linux-source-2.6.18 (which answers liable's question too) |
| 09:01.44 | boddy | just this I have to make something on grub |
| 09:01.45 | liable | MercuryFree2: install etch |
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| 09:02.11 | tralala | boddy, grub will be automatically configured |
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| 09:02.24 | boddy | ok thanks I will try |
| 09:02.27 | liable | MercuryFree2: hang on, gimme the output of 'uname -r' |
| 09:02.40 | MercuryFree2 | liable - it's 2.6.18 |
| 09:02.50 | tralala | MercuryFree2, 2.6.18 is not in sarge |
| 09:02.52 | MercuryFree2 | (-3-686) |
| 09:03.05 | liable | MercuryFree2: did you install the ipw3945-source from the repos? |
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| 09:03.18 | MercuryFree2 | liable - no, i haven't got to that point yet |
| 09:03.24 | boddy | tralala I have tried but I have to choose one from the list |
| 09:03.30 | MercuryFree2 | not that i was aware it was in the repo, i was just going to compile it |
| 09:03.33 | boddy | I have P4 cpu |
| 09:03.37 | liable | MercuryFree2: just get it from the repos, it should sort it all out |
| 09:03.45 | MercuryFree2 | ok i shall try that, cheers :) |
| 09:03.54 | liable | MercuryFree2: and install it with module-assistent |
| 09:04.00 | liable | assistant |
| 09:04.23 | liable | MercuryFree2: theres ipw3945-firmware, and ipw3945-source |
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| 09:05.24 | tralala | boddy, do you have dual core ? |
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| 09:07.11 | boddy | no I will choose kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 2.6.8-16sarge6 |
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| 09:07.24 | quitte | how do i use the shpchp module? |
| 09:07.49 | tralala | boddy, that would be fine. Alternatively kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 would do as well. |
| 09:08.14 | tralala | quitte, install and read the kernel docs |
| 09:08.50 | quitte | tralala: I did. they are non-existant. i cant find anything uiseful with google either |
| 09:08.52 | MercuryFree2 | liable - ok so i'm amazingly useless and can't find such a thing. pointers? :) |
| 09:09.11 | liable | MercuryFree2: you have non-free in sources.list? |
| 09:09.22 | liable | !info ipw3945-source etch |
| 09:09.25 | dpkg | ipw3945-source: (Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 1.1.2-7 (etch), Packaged size: 160 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 09:09.31 | quitte | MercuryFree2: apt-cache show module-assistant. also add non-free and contrib to your sources.list |
| 09:09.38 | liable | MercuryFree2: contrib.. |
| 09:10.18 | PingFloyd | is the difference between the i386 and 686 kernel-image how it was optimized when it was compiled? |
| 09:10.43 | MercuryFree2 | wow. this module assistant type thing is an amazing thing. assuming it works |
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| 09:11.31 | tralala | MercuryFree2, it does, given that you learn how to use it by reading the docs |
| 09:11.50 | MercuryFree2 | seems to be self explanatory enough |
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| 09:12.13 | liable | !ipw3945 is also for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 09:12.14 | dpkg | okay, liable |
| 09:12.19 | tralala | PingFloyd, the difference is the cpu instructionset that was used |
| 09:13.01 | hark | liable: what about the firmware? |
| 09:13.02 | quitte | liable: etch doesn't have any kernel <2.6.18 |
| 09:13.13 | MercuryFree2 | you know, the only time i've ever gotten ipw3945 working was on fedora core 5. after 45 minutes of compiling. could never get it working on 3, 4, or 6. so here i am in debian heh |
| 09:13.25 | liable | quitte: people that havent updated etch do :P |
| 09:13.32 | liable | hark: didnt i mention that? |
| 09:13.38 | MercuryFree2 | isn't it 2.6.13 < kernel that ipw3945 needs? |
| 09:13.43 | hark | liable: oops :) |
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| 09:13.57 | MercuryFree2 | as opposed to 18 |
| 09:14.03 | liable | MercuryFree2: .18 for not having to futz with ieee80211 |
| 09:15.04 | PingFloyd | quitte: there's people that use sarge |
| 09:15.05 | liable | well, iirc, .19, but i think debian has patches for .18 |
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| 09:16.13 | quitte | PingFloyd: imho getting a recent kernel working in sarge is so much trouble you might as well uesid |
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| 09:17.21 | PingFloyd | quitte: sid is unstable though |
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| 09:17.28 | tralala | quitte, as much trouble as adding backport to your sources |
| 09:17.33 | tralala | backports |
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| 09:18.31 | quitte | tralala: I tried. and it was a lot of trouble. I tried to get xen working. then i just dist-upgraded to etch after 2 hours of useless attempts |
| 09:18.46 | PingFloyd | quitte: plus, it doesn't have the security of sarge |
| 09:19.00 | larstr | I'm trying to figure out how much physical memory a process is using. I'm currently adding VmLck+VmRSS+VmData+VmStk+VmExe and the result seems to be kinda good, but I can't find any references saying this is the correct method. |
| 09:19.16 | quitte | PingFloyd: you are not guaranteed security updatesfor backports |
| 09:20.00 | tralala | quitte, I got xen working from backports without a problem on 2.6.16 the latest then was 2.6.17 but it wasn't working for some reason |
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| 09:22.06 | quitte | i really dont see much of a point in backports. if you pick singl tools from it ok. but once you use a handful you give up most of what makes stable better than testing. it being well tested and having security updates |
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| 09:22.42 | PingFloyd | quitte: the idea with backports is that they're there when you require them |
| 09:23.25 | liable | his logic is correct though |
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| 09:23.31 | PingFloyd | quitte: it's always better if you can get sarge packages working instead |
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| 09:27.50 | thinkmassive | hello, I am trying to compile a 2.6.19 kernel using make-kpkg --initrd --revision=spectre000 (after running make menuconfig) |
| 09:28.28 | thinkmassive | this worked fine for the 2.6.8 sources from debian repos., but I get no output file with the latest stable source from kernel.org |
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| 09:29.16 | liable | no output file? it fails? it just sits there? |
| 09:29.41 | thinkmassive | it compiles fine (takes at least an hour or two) but then drops to a prompt |
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| 09:29.46 | thinkmassive | no .deb package |
| 09:30.13 | PingFloyd | thinkmassive: did you use fakeroot? |
| 09:30.40 | thinkmassive | no, I just did sudo -s and compiled in the real root account |
| 09:30.43 | thinkmassive | is this bad? |
| 09:30.44 | liable | no need to really |
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| 09:32.42 | row | If I want to apply a chmod recuvsively (-R) can I do it only for files an not dirs etc? |
| 09:33.04 | MercuryFree2 | ok so i've added non-free and contrib, and done an apt-get update, but it still cannot find ipw3945 |
| 09:33.14 | thinkmassive | is there a way to build using make, then apply make-kpkg later? |
| 09:34.24 | thinkmassive | MercuryFree2: did you try ipw3945d ? |
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| 09:35.09 | MercuryFree2 | it cannot find ipw3945* |
| 09:35.13 | hark | it's ipw3945-source |
| 09:35.34 | hark | and firmware-ipw3945 |
| 09:35.47 | MercuryFree2 | it cannot find ipw*, even |
| 09:35.59 | thinkmassive | don't use wildcards |
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| 09:36.07 | MercuryFree2 | heh i knew that was coming |
| 09:36.14 | thinkmassive | goto http://packages.debian.org |
| 09:36.16 | MercuryFree2 | i'm only using wildcards here to shorten my sentences |
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| 09:36.33 | MercuryFree2 | "apt-cache search ipw" reveals 3 unrelated packages only |
| 09:36.35 | Growly | use apt-cache search ipw3945 | grep source |
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| 09:36.40 | hark | MercuryFree2: what mirror are you using? |
| 09:36.45 | Growly | or not |
| 09:36.46 | Growly | heh |
| 09:37.03 | MercuryFree2 | hark - the local one, as well as ftp.debian.org |
| 09:37.24 | hark | MercuryFree2: etch? |
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| 09:37.54 | MercuryFree2 | yes |
| 09:38.24 | hark | !info ipw3945-source etch |
| 09:38.25 | MercuryFree2 | packages.debian.org doesn't have ipw either |
| 09:38.26 | dpkg | ipw3945-source: (Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver), section contrib/net, is extra. Version: 1.1.2-7 (etch), Packaged size: 160 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 09:38.43 | hark | hmm, paste your sources.list |
| 09:38.53 | hark | !paster |
| 09:38.53 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 09:39.22 | MercuryFree2 | i cannot paste as this is another computer. debian in question is running console only with basically nothing installed |
| 09:39.34 | thinkmassive | aer you sure you're using etch and not stable? |
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| 09:39.47 | MercuryFree2 | no i'm not, not at all |
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| 09:40.24 | hark | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/ipw3945-source |
| 09:40.25 | MercuryFree2 | i did however purposely try to avoid stable when getting the iso |
| 09:40.34 | MercuryFree2 | debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 09:40.39 | MercuryFree2 | is what i installed from |
| 09:41.03 | thinkmassive | you probably need to modify /etc/sources.list |
| 09:41.06 | quitte | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 09:43.52 | Macca | in putty: at bash, home/end produce a ~ ; numpad works fine. in vim home/end work fine ; numpad produces letters+newline chars |
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| 09:44.37 | thinkmassive | Macca: are you using a laptop? |
| 09:44.51 | Macca | no, i'm on my desktop, ssh'ing to my server |
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| 09:46.36 | thinkmassive | did you try numlock? |
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| 09:48.17 | amphi | Macca: what does echo $TERM say in putty? |
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| 09:48.53 | amphi | Macca: installing ncurses-term on the remote might help |
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| 09:50.37 | Macca | amphi xterm |
| 09:50.41 | scx | anyone knows how to mknod a floppy ? |
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| 09:51.14 | amphi | Macca: try 'putty' with that ncurses-term package installed, perhaps |
| 09:51.15 | scx | I don't have a clue... |
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| 09:52.24 | amphi | scx: mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0 I would think |
| 09:53.09 | Macca | sweet |
| 09:53.11 | Macca | thanks amphi |
| 09:53.23 | Macca | apt-get install ncurses-term ; export TERM="putty" did it |
| 09:53.27 | Macca | you're my hero !! |
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| 09:55.32 | amphi | Macca: good-oh; I recall that working when putty was doing bad things to ncurses displays many moons ago |
| 09:55.53 | Macca | what is ncureses ? |
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| 09:56.46 | scx | amphi: yah, got it, thanks |
| 09:57.20 | scx | amphi: is there somwhere I can get better info about mknod? the docs are meager |
| 09:57.30 | amphi | Macca: text-mode windowing, menuing, etc. library; a lot of interactive cosole programs use it |
| 09:57.40 | amphi | s/cosole/console |
| 09:57.50 | chemaja | scx: there's that devices.txt (IIRC) in the kernel source that tells you the major/minor numbers |
| 09:58.25 | amphi | scx: man mknod explains, er, mknod adequately; IIRC, devices.txt in the kernel source Documentation explains the device number assignments |
| 09:58.26 | scx | chemaja: oh... |
| 09:58.33 | amphi | heh |
| 09:58.38 | chemaja | scx: gotta run, sorry |
| 09:58.50 | scx | :) |
| 09:58.55 | Macca | eep |
| 09:58.56 | Macca | gotta run |
| 09:58.59 | Macca | cya ! thanks amphi ! |
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| 09:59.26 | amphi | cover my ass? why? what's happening?? |
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| 10:00.34 | MercuryFree | ok, so i've installed ipw3945, firmware-ipw3945 and their dependencies by hand. is that all that needs doing? |
| 10:01.08 | boddy | which file stores default gw information ? |
| 10:01.19 | amphi | MercuryFree: and the evil subservience daemon? |
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| 10:01.35 | nvz | boddy: man 5 interfaces |
| 10:01.49 | MercuryFree | amphi - atm i'll only be using it in monitor mode, so no |
| 10:01.54 | nvz | boddy: man 8 route |
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| 10:02.07 | amphi | MercuryFree: you need the daemon regardless, AFAIK |
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| 10:02.10 | MercuryFree | unless i need the evil subservience for that? |
| 10:02.12 | MercuryFree | oh |
| 10:02.52 | amphi | MercuryFree: I forget what it's called by intel, it prevents you making the card do things the Adminstrata doesn't want you to; ipw3945d IIRC |
| 10:02.59 | amphi | *Administrata |
| 10:03.07 | MercuryFree | yeah i've read the intel spiel |
| 10:03.25 | MercuryFree | 'we needs this so that we comply with 802.11 and FCC!!11oen' |
| 10:05.37 | MercuryFree | ok, that's installed, time to reboot and pray to linus for a respite from dependency hell smitting |
| 10:06.08 | blondie | no! |
| 10:06.26 | MercuryFree | ok it can't find the device |
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| 10:06.47 | MercuryFree | lovely. |
| 10:07.20 | larsl | Just to be sure; do the kernel-source packages just install a tarball in /usr/src and won't actually unpack it? |
| 10:07.29 | larsl | s/kernel-source/linux-source/ |
| 10:07.58 | MercuryFree | larsl - me? |
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| 10:08.09 | larsl | MercuryFree: Anyone. |
| 10:08.11 | quitte | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.26 | larsl | quitte: Thanks, then I know nothing is broken. |
| 10:09.40 | amphi | MercuryFree: the daemon may need to be running before you modprobe the module... |
| 10:09.50 | MercuryFree | no no, it's the daemon that cannot find it |
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| 10:11.36 | MercuryFree | intel shouldn't be allowed to write drivers. |
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| 10:20.01 | thinkmassive | wow, I forgot to put kernel_image in my make-kpkg command |
| 10:20.42 | liable | MercuryFree: you need kernel-headers, doesnt that box have ethernet? |
| 10:20.59 | MercuryFree | i installed the kernel headers way back |
| 10:21.06 | larsl | Speaking of make-kpkg, does it matter in any way to the produced packages where the source directory that you build them from is? |
| 10:21.12 | MercuryFree | back when i was compiling but was told to do it the .deb way instead |
| 10:21.15 | liable | MercuryFree: and it built with m-a? |
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| 10:22.34 | thinkmassive | larsl: I think you have to build in the root of the source directory (?) |
| 10:22.53 | markybob | oh, great. i'm the 666th person in here. wonderful. |
| 10:23.10 | larsl | thinkmassive: Yeah, but does it matter if that source directory is /usr/src/linux-2.6.19 or /home/larsl/src/linux-2.6.19 ? |
| 10:23.23 | MercuryFree | excellent, i have progressed one stage further. |
| 10:23.37 | MercuryFree | i have a working driver, but my ieee802.11 is still bung from when i was fiddling before |
| 10:23.43 | thinkmassive | that's a good question... I've just been doing everything from the root account, but I know that's not the best idea |
| 10:23.56 | liable | MercuryFree: reinstall the kernel-image, rebuild the driver |
| 10:24.39 | liable | or linux-image to be more correct |
| 10:24.40 | MercuryFree | zomg |
| 10:24.53 | MercuryFree | it actually installed, with no worries, by me just telling it to |
| 10:24.54 | MercuryFree | it's a miracle |
| 10:25.03 | liable | ... |
| 10:25.17 | liable | shoulda been a five minute job :P |
| 10:25.19 | liable | if that! |
| 10:25.30 | amphi | heh |
| 10:25.48 | MercuryFree | this means i can go back to compiling it properly |
| 10:25.51 | MercuryFree | cheers people :) |
| 10:26.07 | liable | why oh why do you want to compile it from source? |
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| 10:26.45 | MercuryFree | because that's how i've always done it |
| 10:26.47 | MercuryFree | ;) |
| 10:26.57 | liable | thats stupid |
| 10:27.09 | MercuryFree | YUS |
| 10:27.11 | MercuryFree | IT'S ALIIIIVE |
| 10:27.16 | liable | why do you think debian bothers to package things if you use out of repo sources |
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| 10:27.55 | MercuryFree | rofl |
| 10:28.45 | MercuryFree | well since you guys helped me beat debian into submission, all i needed to do was go "make, make install, cd .., cd ipw3945-1.2.0, make, make install, modprobe ipw3945" |
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| 10:29.11 | MercuryFree | compiling in this case is painless enough |
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| 10:30.32 | qiyong | can I safely hotplug com1 and com2? |
| 10:31.37 | blondie | qiyong: do you mean ttyS0 and 1? |
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| 10:33.11 | qiyong | blondie, hotplug the serial, which connects two running boxes. is it safe, not result in any hardware damage? |
| 10:33.27 | blondie | qiyong: should be ok. |
| 10:33.55 | blondie | qiyong: com1 and com2 are windows names. |
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| 10:34.42 | qiyong | blondie, yes, but we still have them as aliases in freebsd |
| 10:34.51 | qiyong | blondie, some tools |
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| 10:36.56 | qiyong | is debian now xen based by default? |
| 10:37.06 | larstr | qiyong: no |
| 10:37.13 | larsl | There are xen kernel packages. |
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| 10:37.47 | qiyong | larsl, so I should install xen separately in order to use xenkernel? |
| 10:37.56 | blondie | qiyong: I thought this was #debian |
| 10:38.11 | larsl | qiyong: I don't know, I've never used them. I've just seen kernel packages marked with "xen". |
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| 10:39.15 | fantomas | Hi *. AFS replication question: as it follows from docs, to replicate information in AFS one should copy a Volume to few hosts; the question is - is that volume writable after that -- can AFS distribute changes to the rest of Volume copies automaticaly? Any AFS gurus here? :) |
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| 10:41.20 | vlt | Hello. On two nearly identical Debian Sarge installations I have two different /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-k7. The main differences are in initrd's /loadmodules (addidtional "raid1" and "dm-mod") and in /script (different "ROOT=..." and some "mdadm" and "vgchange" commands). Are there any files outside the initrd (maybe in /etc/) that affect the creation of the initrd when the next kernel update proceeds? |
| 10:42.27 | vlt | I mean apt's update procedure ... |
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| 10:45.13 | Juggy | ive just started learning linux...i already have an ok understanding of it...but when i do "apt-get apache2" it says "E: Invalid Operation apache2"...im using Linux Debian |
| 10:45.37 | Juggy | Can anyone help me? and explain why i get this? |
| 10:45.38 | Ronin | Juggy: apt-get install |
| 10:45.43 | Juggy | oh >.< |
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| 10:47.02 | Juggy | ok another thing...what do i look for for unzipping zip files? |
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| 10:47.49 | larsl | Juggy: 'unzip'? |
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| 10:48.00 | Juggy | but that dnt work |
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| 10:48.29 | Juggy | dnt matter i got it working |
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| 10:48.33 | Juggy | thx |
| 10:52.25 | earthian | hello |
| 10:52.52 | earthian | is it possible that i386 architecture repository lacks some packages that are in amd64 one? |
| 10:53.14 | tralala | possible but unlikely |
| 10:54.01 | earthian | I am moving my system from amd64 to i386 by installing all packages i have on my current system to the new one and some packages are not in the 32bit repos... like libmodapache2-fcgid or so .. |
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| 10:54.23 | tralala | testing/unstable? |
| 10:54.27 | earthian | etch |
| 10:54.37 | earthian | both etch |
| 10:54.43 | tralala | probably the package has been dropped |
| 10:54.52 | earthian | "S |
| 10:54.54 | earthian | :S |
| 10:54.55 | tralala | !info libmodapache2-fcgid |
| 10:54.56 | earthian | mh |
| 10:55.20 | tralala | no such package |
| 10:55.59 | tralala | if it has ever been in debian it's not anymore |
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| 10:56.53 | earthian | !info libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 10:56.56 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fcgid: (an alternative module compat with mod_fastcgi), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 10:57.09 | earthian | !info libapache2-mod-fcgid etch |
| 10:57.46 | earthian | mh.. it does not exist in etch.. only in sid :X |
| 10:57.58 | earthian | i did install it some time ago in etch |
| 10:58.30 | blondie | !why is libapache2-mod-fcgid not in testing? |
| 10:58.30 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fcgid is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 10:58.46 | earthian | but it is in amd64 ? |
| 10:59.01 | blondie | #401938: libapache2-mod-fcgid: Segfaults on startup with Apache 2.2 |
| 10:59.22 | blondie | earthian: it is not |
| 10:59.38 | enouf | the file /etc/kernel-img.conf is what's called when you dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-XXXX .. "/msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel" tlaks about that file's settings .. vlt |
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| 11:00.57 | enouf | man kernel-img.conf vlt |
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| 11:02.13 | enouf | whenever doing a large upgrade or many pkgs .. or dist-upgrade , I make good use of the apt-get -s option |
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| 11:09.05 | scx | !who |
| 11:09.05 | dpkg | It was the one armed man, I tell you ! |
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| 11:15.41 | liable | vlt: the initrd is made depending on what is loaded when the image is made (afaik, i am a bit of an initrd tard, seeing as i dont use debian kernels) |
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| 11:17.55 | scx | wow, Solaris takes too much to install... |
| 11:18.08 | scx | opps, sry, wrong channel |
| 11:18.55 | liable | !solarissmite scx |
| 11:19.05 | liable | didnt think that would work... |
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| 11:19.44 | scx | srry, me no comprende |
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| 11:20.06 | liable | scx: ignore me, just being silly |
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| 11:27.30 | liable | !boring |
| 11:27.30 | dpkg | yes, you are liable |
| 11:27.37 | liable | dpkg: aww |
| 11:27.37 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 11:46.25 | hellop | How do I get the directory /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/build ? |
| 11:46.35 | hellop | What is the build directory for? |
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| 11:47.02 | hellop | I'm trying to make a USB touchscreen driver. |
| 11:47.03 | liable | hellop: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 11:47.13 | hellop | liable, I thought I had the headers.. |
| 11:47.18 | GeorgeS069 | Where can I find a Sarge net-install with a backported kernel? |
| 11:47.30 | liable | hellop: then you should have the build dir, linking to them |
| 11:47.39 | liable | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 11:47.39 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 11:47.46 | GeorgeS069 | thanks liable |
| 11:47.54 | liable | np |
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| 11:48.50 | hellop | nope that was it, thanks |
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| 11:48.58 | GeorgeS069 | My windoze laptop is all messed up so now I have an excuse to wipe it and make it dual boot:) |
| 11:50.00 | hellop | it worked! |
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| 11:50.04 | hellop | thanks liable |
| 11:50.13 | liable | no wuckers |
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| 11:54.33 | GeorgeS069 | my laptop CPU is a AMD Athlon64...is it worth bothering with 64 bit OS or should I just install a normal OS with a K8 kernel? |
| 11:54.57 | x_link | GeorgeS069: debian amd64 ? |
| 11:55.03 | x_link | Is that the OS you want to install? |
| 11:55.13 | GeorgeS069 | Yes...it's what i am considering |
| 11:55.20 | x_link | GeorgeS069: Okey. |
| 11:55.24 | x_link | I wouldn't install it. |
| 11:55.49 | x_link | I heard that it's better to use the 32bit os right now, cause the 64 is not really done yet. |
| 11:55.59 | x_link | But you could try if you want to. |
| 11:56.04 | GeorgeS069 | from what I understand it's not any faster either |
| 11:56.33 | x_link | Some programs are I guess. |
| 11:57.12 | blondie | I don't have any problems... but i don't use pointless programs like flash |
| 11:57.56 | GeorgeS069 | I'll still have windoze on the laptop so I don't need all the fancy stuff on the debian install |
| 11:58.13 | x_link | blondie: But is it any faster? |
| 11:58.21 | liable | GeorgeS069: apparentley unless you do stuff like video editing or need huge memory, its not worth the hassle |
| 11:58.29 | blondie | x_link: I don't know, that's hard to say. |
| 11:58.46 | x_link | Okey. |
| 11:58.49 | blondie | I ran XP before :P |
| 11:59.20 | GeorgeS069 | I just feel like I'm wasting the potential of the CPU if I don't use a 64bit OS....then again...I don't use XP 64 either:) |
| 11:59.35 | GeorgeS069 | XP 64 sux |
| 11:59.58 | blondie | indeed |
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| 12:00.41 | GeorgeS069 | crappy hardware support and alot of software problems too |
| 12:01.03 | blondie | don't worry, vista's out on monday :P |
| 12:01.08 | blondie | or tuesday |
| 12:01.12 | GeorgeS069 | ummm...eeewwwwww |
| 12:01.17 | GeorgeS069 | nevah |
| 12:01.38 | x_link | blondie: In the stores? |
| 12:01.42 | GeorgeS069 | I think Vista is gonna be the new ME |
| 12:01.56 | blondie | x_link: yes |
| 12:02.14 | scx | 'cmon Vista is just XP plus some things stolen from Mac |
| 12:02.15 | x_link | blondie: Okey. |
| 12:02.23 | blondie | scx: not really |
| 12:02.25 | GeorgeS069 | they have the display racks setup for vista at the local CompUSA already |
| 12:02.25 | blondie | it's a pita |
| 12:02.35 | x_link | I didn't like the Vista theme I used on my Windows XP before. |
| 12:03.50 | scx | blondie: well there are ofcourse other things like IPV6 but there's no big difference |
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| 12:04.18 | blondie | I've been using it at work for a while, and there is |
| 12:04.20 | scx | as far as I tried the Beta about 5mnths ago |
| 12:04.20 | blondie | and it's a PITA |
| 12:04.33 | scx | pointless |
| 12:04.37 | blondie | what is? |
| 12:05.21 | GeorgeS069 | I'm pretty sure that with a bazillion XP installs out there sooner or later they will patch XP for IPV6 |
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| 12:06.40 | stoned | I like pita |
| 12:06.45 | stoned | good bread |
| 12:06.46 | scx | maybe they will sel the IPv6 as a product |
| 12:07.12 | blondie | XP has IPv6 support |
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| 12:07.23 | GeorgeS069 | like apple selling the OS X upgrades? |
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| 12:07.35 | stoned | well if you slap some colorful butterflies on it and put on a MS label, I'm sure everyone and their grandmother would buy ipv6 |
| 12:07.49 | liable | hehe |
| 12:07.51 | stoned | all you ever need is marketing |
| 12:07.51 | scx | archi super wonderful XP, now with MS-IPv6 included ! |
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| 12:09.53 | Juggy | how do i find my debian servers ip address? |
| 12:10.05 | GeorgeS069 | so with a dual boot system I should install XP first? |
| 12:10.14 | scx | surely |
| 12:10.22 | scx | and of course yes |
| 12:10.22 | blondie | Juggy: ifconfig |
| 12:10.43 | scx | unless Win will take GRUB from behind and... |
| 12:11.02 | GeorgeS069 | hehehe...ok |
| 12:11.09 | blondie | s/unless/otherwise/ |
| 12:11.12 | stoned | GeorgeS069, yes |
| 12:11.34 | valdyn | Juggy: ifconfig |
| 12:11.44 | stoned | GeorgeS069, install XP first. Make another partition. Install grub to that partition, NOT THE MBR! |
| 12:11.48 | GeorgeS069 | this will be my first laptop linux install |
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| 12:12.23 | liable | stoned: then you need to mess with windows bootloader files |
| 12:12.27 | valdyn | stoned: how's he supposed to boot if grub isnt on the mbr? |
| 12:12.27 | scx | GeorgeS069: hda1 /boot hda2 Win hda3/ / |
| 12:12.38 | stoned | valdyn, grub for NT |
| 12:12.51 | liable | just put windows first, then install grub to mbr |
| 12:12.52 | cyzie | itchi, u there? |
| 12:13.05 | scx | well BIOS can boot from any 'boot' flaged partition |
| 12:13.12 | stoned | valdyn, also you can um.. set the boot flag on the p artitions |
| 12:13.25 | scx | you can set hda4 as bootable |
| 12:13.26 | dxy | where can i find supported ethernet 3com NIC's, cant find it in the official website |
| 12:13.27 | cyzie | hello, i have a quite latest laptop with the sata drive and dvd burner. how come when install netinst, it cant detect my hdd ? |
| 12:13.49 | liable | cyzie: because the kernel doesnt support it prolly |
| 12:13.56 | stoned | When you're done with linux, just do cfdisk or fdisk, and set the windows partition at boot/active and reboot. |
| 12:14.00 | scx | cyzie: 2.6 should |
| 12:14.23 | valdyn | stoned: why should I ( or anyone ) use griub for NT ( isntead of grub for debian ) ? |
| 12:14.24 | liable | scx: how do you know what chipset his hard drive is running from? |
| 12:14.35 | valdyn | stoned: just curious, btw |
| 12:14.39 | liable | scx: thats a pretty broad and silly comment |
| 12:14.57 | scx | too complicated... just install Win and then install Debian, that al |
| 12:14.57 | stoned | valdyn, I just said why. I don't like to mess with an XP MBR because grub has done shit to me in the past, rendering both partitions useless |
| 12:15.26 | liable | what about everyone else that it works fine for? |
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| 12:15.48 | stoned | valdyn, also, you can use grub for nt to install debian. You can boot the netboot images with it. That is what I've used on many a system which do not have optical media or USB |
| 12:15.50 | scx | liable: Well, I have my Sata2 working fine, even on RAID |
| 12:15.51 | liable | i havent ever had grub fuck a windows install, though i have only dual booted two machines |
| 12:15.51 | GeorgeS069 | Well,it's no big deal...the drive is going to be wiped and re-partitioned so if I screw up I won't lose anything |
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| 12:16.06 | Scurz | yo |
| 12:16.15 | cyzie | liable, scx, if i remember correctly, u need to pass a certain parameter to the installer in order to detect the hdd. but i've forgotten the paramter |
| 12:16.36 | liable | scx: so, just because *your* chipset is supported (with who knows what kernel) means that everyones will be supported by 2.6? |
| 12:16.36 | stoned | valdyn, grub is grub. Compiled for windows or linux. Its still grub. |
| 12:16.47 | valdyn | stoned: yea, I see |
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| 12:17.06 | liable | cyzie: hit f3, look for libata option and try that one |
| 12:17.07 | scx | liable: read backwards |
| 12:17.28 | scx | cyzie: you mean chainloader ? |
| 12:17.33 | liable | scx: huh? |
| 12:18.01 | stoned | chainloader +1 means you pass the boot control from grub to ntldr |
| 12:18.06 | liable | scx: i am beginning to wonder if i should send the crack police to your place |
| 12:18.07 | stoned | it has nothing to do with HDD detection |
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| 12:18.54 | stoned | well, not just ntldr, any other boot loader |
| 12:19.01 | scx | daaah... I'll better get a beer.. |
| 12:19.27 | cyzie | scx, i think liable answer my question, gonna give it a try after i done burn the installer |
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| 12:21.41 | liable | cyzie: which controller chipset is it anyway? |
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| 12:22.45 | cyzie | liable, dual core @ 1.83Ghz, 2GB RAM, geforceGO 7400 256MB, with 120GB hdd. i think it is intel chipset |
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| 12:23.13 | stoned | cyzie, what motherboard is it? |
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| 12:23.26 | jelly | !seen kakalto |
| 12:23.27 | dpkg | kakalto <~kakalto@wired-210-54-56-41.ps.net.nz> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 4h 44m 16s ago, saying: 'thankyou very much.'. |
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| 12:23.36 | doublehp | Debian@Sun: is it possible to use BSD disklabel instead of SunDiskLabel ? |
| 12:24.07 | liable | cyzie: intel should be supported fine, set it to ahci mode in bios |
| 12:24.20 | jelly | doublehp: I suspect not on a boot disk. |
| 12:24.24 | cyzie | liable, ahci ? |
| 12:24.37 | liable | cyzie: yes |
| 12:24.37 | valdyn | doublehp: your boot manager needs to support whichever partitioning scheme you use, its it works similar to grub |
| 12:24.43 | doublehp | jelly: why ? O_O |
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| 12:25.12 | yacc | Just wondering, why there is no python2.5-profiler package? |
| 12:25.12 | liable | the only time grub fucked my dual boot was when i tried a free suse dvd |
| 12:25.23 | valdyn | doublehp: if it works like lilo.. sure you can use whatever scheme you want |
| 12:25.29 | liable | and a friend who raved about suse, said it fucked hs too |
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| 12:25.31 | liable | his |
| 12:25.56 | cyzie | liable, what is ahci ? |
| 12:26.00 | jelly | doublehp: PROM should be able to access your boot manager somehow... to be honest I haven't messed with Linux on sparc for a while so I can't remember how is silo set up. |
| 12:26.01 | HymnToLife | yacc, most likely because no one hade made one yet... |
| 12:26.17 | yacc | HymnToLife: Yeah, but it should come out of the python2.5 source. |
| 12:26.28 | liable | cyzie: its the mode the controller runs in, you should have compatibility or ahci in bios for it |
| 12:26.31 | yacc | HymnToLife: Guess I'll file it as a bug against python2.5 then. |
| 12:26.55 | daxxar | Are there any good cli-tools for cleaning up relative and absolute pathnames? (Like /foo/../bar/baz/./meep -> /bar/baz/meep, and ../foo/bar/baz -> bar/baz when `basename $(pwd)` is "foo") |
| 12:27.05 | daxxar | It's for aiding me in bash-scripting. :) |
| 12:27.24 | yacc | HymnToLife: If I wanted to compile all my stuff by myself, I'd move on to gentoo *g* |
| 12:28.27 | yacc | daxxar: python -c "import os; print os.path.absname('$YOURPATH')" |
| 12:28.31 | daxxar | I'd rather not depend on ruby, python, perl, etcetera. :-) |
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| 12:28.47 | liable | daxxar: sounds like a good question for #bash |
| 12:28.54 | daxxar | (this is inside a small chroot) |
| 12:29.01 | daxxar | liable: thanks, I'll try. :-) |
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| 12:29.18 | smimp | i've got php in mods-enabled, but it doesn't appear to be loading as any php file is presented as a download instead of a script to run. i've done a purge on apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5.. any suggestions? |
| 12:29.43 | valdyn | smimp: read the documentation |
| 12:30.01 | GeorgeS069 | smimp: try clearing your browsers cache also |
| 12:30.01 | liable | oooh, whats that damn php factoid again |
| 12:30.12 | liable | ya, thats one answer |
| 12:30.21 | valdyn | smimp: /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-php5/ |
| 12:30.31 | GeorgeS069 | that messed me up for hours :) |
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| 12:30.45 | liable | GeorgeS069: its quite a common problem :) |
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| 12:31.01 | liable | GeorgeS069: had me scratching head too |
| 12:31.17 | thinkmassive | I'd like to remove ISA from my kernel, but is there a way to tell if I have any ISA devices? (lspci only lists the ISA bridge) |
| 12:31.40 | valdyn | thinkmassive: you probably have sensors on your isa bus |
| 12:31.52 | valdyn | thinkmassive: but why the hell bother isa support anyway? |
| 12:31.53 | liable | !#debian php wants me to download still |
| 12:32.09 | valdyn | thinkmassive: but why the hell bother removing isa support anyway? |
| 12:32.09 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 12:32.10 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, restart your browser. |
| 12:32.25 | thinkmassive | valdyn: thanks, just figured I'd remove anything unnecessary |
| 12:32.41 | GeorgeS069 | hehehehe...same thing we told him |
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| 12:33.26 | smimp | heh.. just browser cache .. oops :) thanks |
| 12:33.30 | liable | theres another one, that is a little better |
| 12:34.25 | GeorgeS069 | yw smimp |
| 12:35.57 | stoned | there is a simple fix for it IIRC. just need to uncomment the .php extentions in a certain section in httpd.conf |
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| 12:36.14 | stoned | been a while since I setup apache |
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| 12:38.14 | stoned | #AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 12:38.14 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.19 | stoned | at least I remembered something |
| 12:38.21 | stoned | doh! |
| 12:38.43 | GeorgeS069 | and clear your browser cache when testing :) |
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| 12:43.17 | mortal5 | is there a way of determining what package a program came from? |
| 12:43.41 | cydork | mortal5: dpkg -S /path/to/program |
| 12:43.43 | liable | apt-file, or your friendly dpkg bot, or dpkg -S if its installed |
| 12:44.49 | mortal5 | ty |
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| 12:47.42 | cyzie | just downloaded debian netinst yesterday, can netinst resize the hdd partition ? |
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| 12:47.44 | liable | no :( |
| 12:48.03 | liable | its a damn shame they didnt include that |
| 12:48.03 | BrickTop | hi @ all |
| 12:48.20 | liable | seeing as its been done by so many other installers already |
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| 12:50.36 | cyzie | yes, i think ubuntu has the gparted where u can resize it using GUI. i think it's usefull |
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| 12:50.57 | BrickTop | hey guys I just wanted to confirm the procedure I should follow to upgrade MySQL 4.0->4.1 on my hosting debian box. Should I do an apt-get remove mysql-server before doing an apt-get install mysql-server-4.1? Or simply proced directly with the upgrade/install? |
| 12:51.51 | valdyn | BrickTop: just apt-get install, that's how it is always done in debian, packages know about conflicts |
| 12:52.25 | BrickTop | thx valdyn |
| 12:52.27 | liable | docs should mention any hiccups hopefully too |
| 12:53.02 | BrickTop | there are known issues with db passwords but since I don't have any installed there's no issue |
| 12:53.15 | BrickTop | brand new |
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| 12:54.30 | primepie | when I change the settings using stty, how can save them to be active ? I did stty werase ^O . however it didnt work. |
| 12:56.00 | BrickTop | hmmmm E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
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| 12:56.37 | BrickTop | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 12:56.45 | GeorgeS069 | BrickTop: check and see if you have Synaptic or Aptitude running somewhere and close it |
| 12:57.06 | BrickTop | right I launched aptitude early this morning so that should be it |
| 12:57.11 | BrickTop | service still active |
| 12:57.30 | BrickTop | should I run aptitude again and quit from there? |
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| 12:57.47 | BrickTop | or there's another way around? |
| 12:58.07 | GeorgeS069 | should find out where it's running and close it or just use that to update mysql |
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| 12:58.37 | primepie | anyone has an idea regarding my problem? |
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| 12:59.44 | BrickTop | thx GeorgeS069 |
| 12:59.49 | BrickTop | tryin' out ;) |
| 12:59.59 | GeorgeS069 | you're welcome |
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| 13:05.51 | mosty | i can't get the amd64 installer to boot, it gives two fatal warnings about the hid and usbhid modules not existing, then switches to the framebuffer and stops there. how can i get around this? |
| 13:08.14 | bloo_sky | mosty, amd64 is, AFAIK still unofficial and being heavily worked on, is what you have considered stable, CVS or a nightly build? |
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| 13:09.09 | mosty | bloo_sky: i tried the unofficial sarge netinstall image (two different versions of it). i'm downloading the (official?) etch rc1 installer now |
| 13:09.35 | bloo_sky | mosty, same error with both versions of the netinstall? |
| 13:09.50 | mosty | yes |
| 13:10.10 | liable | yes, etch officially supports 64 |
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| 13:10.38 | liable | mosty: theres #debian-amd64 |
| 13:11.00 | mosty | liable: i'm trying there also, nobody seems to be awake |
| 13:11.07 | liable | mosty: most people dont bother with it, and seem of little help in here |
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| 13:12.00 | mosty | actually, i tried to debootstrap it from knoppix, but it barfed when trying to chroot in to install the bootloader (32bit knoppix kernel couldn't exec the 64bit bash) |
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| 13:13.22 | bloo_sky | mosty, maybe it's a hardware problem - perhaps you have something esoteric that Debian doesn't yet support? |
| 13:13.56 | cyzie | weird, i cant resize hdd partition using ubuntu 6.06 . it said the drive is read only. any idea why ? |
| 13:14.01 | mosty | it's a dell opteron 1U server, shouldn't be too unusual |
| 13:15.01 | primepie | how can I deactivate werase using stty? |
| 13:15.05 | vlt | enouf, liable: Thank you for your patience, I simply dont't want to mess up something here ... The file /etc/kernel-img.conf is identical on both installations. If no other file (than initrd.img itself) is taken into account the next kernel update should run fine, right? |
| 13:15.31 | bloo_sky | mosty, there is also an amd64 mailing list. It's quite active, you may get an answer there, lists.debian.org look for amd64 |
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| 13:16.10 | mosty | bloo_sky: i'll try that if the etch installer doesn't work, thanks |
| 13:16.13 | liable | cyzie: i dunno about ubuntu live, but knoppix i think i had to remount the drive rw when i wanted to futz with stuff |
| 13:16.36 | liable | cyzie: just mount -o remount rw /foo/mnt |
| 13:16.44 | cyzie | mmm |
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| 13:18.40 | liable | primepie: wait for some old scholl debian users that used to mess with serial :) |
| 13:18.48 | liable | school |
| 13:18.57 | GeorgeS069 | skewl |
| 13:19.04 | liable | kewl! |
| 13:19.04 | primepie | hehe |
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| 13:19.59 | liable | vlt: yep, why are you so concerned, what have you done that you think it wont upgrade smoothly? |
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| 13:21.57 | _Tinozaure | Hello |
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| 13:22.14 | belkin | how do i get a list of all the printers supported for debian ? |
| 13:22.36 | liable | go to linux-printing.org |
| 13:22.56 | belkin | ok |
| 13:23.16 | _Tinozaure | I would like to start an ether without giving it an ip and "iface eth1 inet static" in /etc/network.interfaces give me an error at /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 13:24.50 | vlt | liable: I repotted a complete Sarge installation (the hole "/", except /boot where kernel and initrd is) to another disk. |
| 13:24.57 | belkin | liable that link its shit , doesnt help me . its a search engine |
| 13:24.58 | liable | _Tinozaure: just do 'ifconfig eth<foo> up |
| 13:25.22 | _Tinozaure | liable in /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 13:25.25 | _Tinozaure | liable in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 13:25.40 | liable | vlt: shouldnt be a problem, you will need to edit fstab and menu.lst though |
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| 13:25.46 | liable | _Tinozaure: on console |
| 13:26.01 | _Tinozaure | I want to start it automatically at boot time |
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| 13:26.02 | liable | from a console/xterm |
| 13:26.03 | vlt | liable: menu.lst is in /boot/grub |
| 13:26.15 | vlt | liable: so it's ok |
| 13:26.22 | liable | vlt: yeah, and it points to where / is |
| 13:26.29 | liable | vlt: so it needs to be changed |
| 13:26.54 | enouf | vlt: a New kernel-image implies a new initrd .. afaik |
| 13:27.38 | enouf | vlt: You have your initrd and vmlinuz in / .. most (or default) do not (again AFAIK) .. |
| 13:27.50 | enouf | vlt: such that; initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 13:27.55 | vlt | liable: old menu-lst points to /dev/hda, new one to /dev/mapper/..., so I take the new one |
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| 13:28.06 | liable | _Tinozaure: i dont think you can just bring an iface up from the networking scripts without giving it all the parameters, the script will fail |
| 13:29.40 | _Tinozaure | it is |
| 13:29.40 | enouf | vlt: initrd.img.old -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 13:29.41 | GeorgeS069 | _Tinozaure: can you just use a private IP? like 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 13:29.41 | liable | vlt: new one is lvm? |
| 13:29.41 | enouf | vlt: so when I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.16, it renamed the symlink and inird to .old and installed/reconfigured the new one |
| 13:29.41 | liable | vlt: were you asking about this the other day? |
| 13:29.41 | vlt | enouf: Both, old and new initrd are in /boot. Old /boot is really on hda1, the new one is mounted into the new / from /dev/md0 |
| 13:29.41 | vlt | liable: Yes, it#s me ;-) |
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| 13:29.48 | mosty | belkin: i think openprinting.org is the site to check if you want recommendations for printers to suit linux |
| 13:29.54 | liable | !hard disk upgrade |
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| 13:30.04 | liable | bah |
| 13:30.09 | cahoot | linuxprinting.org? |
| 13:30.15 | liable | must be time to sleep |
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| 13:30.30 | E-bola | Where does debian's exim package get the logfile location value from? |
| 13:30.36 | E-bola | as in what decides where the logs are placed? |
| 13:30.43 | stein | hi. how do i monitor some directory (dnotify) for uploaded files after completion?? is there some proftpd pre command? |
| 13:31.02 | hellop | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only gives monitor options for CRTs, how do I get it to configure an LCD? |
| 13:31.11 | stein | err post |
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| 13:31.13 | GeorgeS069 | E-bola: I think that is set in /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 13:31.58 | enouf | E-bola: have a look at /etc/syslog.conf |
| 13:32.07 | enouf | heh |
| 13:32.14 | enouf | !win GeorgeS069 |
| 13:32.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, GeorgeS069! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 13:32.23 | GeorgeS069 | kewl! |
| 13:32.34 | vlt | liable: Yes, the new one is lvm. i didn't know what exactly to modify in my current initrd, so I decided to let debian-insaller do the job. I installed a minimal fresh Sarge on the new disk in lvm on raid. Now I copied the old system to the new partitons. Seems to work. My only worry is about next initrd change when kernel is updated. |
| 13:32.55 | belkin | mosty thanks |
| 13:33.27 | PingFloyd | what a neat prize |
| 13:33.27 | liable | vlt: if it works now, i dunno why you should worry, you will always have the old kernel to fall back on |
| 13:33.44 | vlt | liable: :-) |
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| 13:34.10 | PingFloyd | I don't know about you, but I could use some more drink coasters |
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| 13:34.29 | Ronin | PingFloyd: get teh aol ones, theyre great as coasters and sun catchers |
| 13:34.45 | PingFloyd | Ronin: I know, that's why I'm jealous of GeorgeS069 |
| 13:34.55 | GeorgeS069 | I'll share |
| 13:35.36 | enouf | vlt: I'm not sure what'll happen .. since you have a customized initrd (the installer created) you should be ok .. read as much documnetation as you can, and always keep backups or files and partition tables and kernels and initrd handy ;-) |
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| 13:35.59 | elshaa | hi |
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| 13:36.37 | enouf | vlt: I was under the impression you had to add your specific controller support into your initrd .. but now you seem to say that the installer detected your HDD fine (confused) |
| 13:36.45 | elshaa | What is this command (not screen) to start a command in background that will not end when you close a term ? |
| 13:37.20 | PingFloyd | elshaa: just append & to it |
| 13:37.23 | enouf | elshaa: command & |
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| 13:37.31 | justin | elshaa: nohup |
| 13:37.39 | enouf | !lose me |
| 13:37.40 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 13:37.41 | elshaa | thanks. nohup is the good one |
| 13:38.00 | elshaa | thanks anyway PingFloyd , enouf :) |
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| 13:38.39 | extreme | hello |
| 13:38.43 | GeorgeS069 | enouf: 0-2 not a good morning for you yet :) |
| 13:39.02 | enouf | GeorgeS069: but I'm not upset :-) not trying to hard .. |
| 13:39.06 | enouf | er too |
| 13:40.08 | enouf | besides it took me 10 seconds just to find the & key .. |
| 13:40.21 | GeorgeS069 | hehehe |
| 13:40.42 | vlt | enouf: No, not a specific controller. The old initrd just completely seemed to lack md and lvm support or spoken more simply: Just copying the old / and modifying grub and fstab didn't work => kernel panic. |
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| 13:41.25 | enouf | vlt: right .. so just added a new HDD , or a full other new system? |
| 13:42.13 | enouf | vlt: right .. er so you just added a new HDD (or more) , or is it a full other new system? |
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| 13:42.47 | vlt | enouf: I replaced hd AND switched from root-on-hda to root-on-lvm-on-md mode. |
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| 13:43.03 | enouf | vlt: ahhh |
| 13:43.04 | E-bola | GeorgeS069 and enouf: doesnt specify where exim stores logfiles |
| 13:43.17 | E-bola | syslog.conf that is |
| 13:43.18 | enouf | E-bola: see the word Mail? |
| 13:43.23 | E-bola | yes, thats not for exim |
| 13:43.25 | enouf | in there? |
| 13:43.27 | E-bola | thats for imap/pop3 stuyff |
| 13:43.29 | enouf | sure it is |
| 13:43.40 | enouf | exim4 is default on debian |
| 13:43.53 | E-bola | enouf: but /var/log/exim which is where the logs are |
| 13:43.59 | E-bola | are not mentioned at all in syslogd.conf |
| 13:44.18 | liable | E-bola: exim has logs |
| 13:44.27 | enouf | E-bola: there;s gazillions of exim4 docs on your HDD already .. suggest you see the various man pages as well .. look at the man update-* pages too |
| 13:44.37 | enouf | !exim4 |
| 13:44.37 | dpkg | it has been said that exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 13:44.38 | E-bola | enouf: i know how to specify it |
| 13:44.45 | E-bola | im asking about how debian uses it |
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| 13:45.01 | GeorgeS069 | E-bola: maybe exim is not set to use syslog so look in Exim's config and see hwre it sends logs |
| 13:45.07 | E-bola | since there doesnt seem to be a logfile variable anywhere in the default confs |
| 13:45.08 | GeorgeS069 | where |
| 13:45.16 | E-bola | GeorgeS069: i tried.... |
| 13:45.54 | enouf | E-bola: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 13:45.57 | GeorgeS069 | I never used exim so I can't help more |
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| 13:46.06 | E-bola | enouf: that doesnt ask you about logfiles |
| 13:46.14 | E-bola | ? |
| 13:46.19 | enouf | E-bola: ok .. I never used it either |
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| 13:46.33 | tuxub | hi, my debian server crashed. After the reboot my openldap server stopped working. the process is running, no tcp port 389 is on netstat and I get no error on the log files. can anyone help me? |
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| 13:47.09 | liable | tuxub: no full partitions? |
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| 13:47.18 | E-bola | enouf: why do you sugest it then? |
| 13:47.22 | GeorgeS069 | tuxub: try a restart /ete/init.d/ldap restart |
| 13:47.23 | E-bola | no harm in saying I dont know :) |
| 13:47.44 | tuxub | GeorgeS069, tried... the slapd process doesnt get killed and another starts up and they get accumulated |
| 13:47.52 | BrickTop | when upgradin MySQL is it a good idea to keep the old `/etc/mysql/my.cnf' or use the new one? |
| 13:48.00 | enouf | E-bola: sysctl.conf controls the default mail logs wihich exim4 is .. hence sdoesn't need a logfile entry in it's .conf .. Unless you need to alter that .. then read about it and Add it where necessary |
| 13:48.05 | GeorgeS069 | tuxub: kill them all and start fresh |
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| 13:48.16 | cahoot | sysctl.conf? really? |
| 13:48.25 | enouf | er |
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| 13:48.37 | enouf | er /etc/syslog.conf |
| 13:48.39 | E-bola | enouf: umm as i already said unless there are other syslog.conf files |
| 13:48.39 | tuxub | liable, 320GB free |
| 13:48.44 | E-bola | its not controlled in /etc/syslog.conf |
| 13:48.55 | E-bola | since the actual path where debian stores exim logs in isnt mentioned |
| 13:49.26 | enouf | E-bola: now you know one reason why many like me don;t even bother with email |
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| 13:50.17 | enouf | but the documentation is certainly out there somewhere or .. even locally |
| 13:50.24 | liable | tuxub: so /var isnt on its own partition or anything? |
| 13:50.27 | tuxub | GeorgeS069, doesnt work... |
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| 13:50.49 | tuxub | the /var has 300GB free |
| 13:50.49 | Caitriona | I usually see them in /var/log/mail/ or /var/log/exim/ |
| 13:51.06 | liable | gah, even reading exims logs makes me want to stab myself in the eyes |
| 13:51.14 | E-bola | Caitriona: on debian? |
| 13:51.18 | GeorgeS069 | tuxub: it didn't start up or it started but,still isn't opening the port? |
| 13:51.19 | enouf | liable: haha |
| 13:51.23 | liable | not logs, configs |
| 13:51.49 | enouf | liable: I recall being asked if I want 50,000 small config files .. or 1 HUGE one lol |
| 13:52.04 | tuxub | tuxub, it starts up, no error on the logs (the usual starting messages only) and the port doesnt show up and the service doesnt work |
| 13:52.04 | liable | its insane |
| 13:52.38 | enouf | liable: it IS meant as a server mail though and does quite well when used with maildir .. or so I hear |
| 13:52.47 | enouf | er system |
| 13:53.09 | liable | enouf: well, thank god i dont have to actually admin a mail server |
| 13:53.25 | enouf | you said it |
| 13:53.29 | liable | i have postfix on my home one, which seems so much saner |
| 13:53.49 | GeorgeS069 | I use postfix too...was pretty simple to setup |
| 13:54.11 | cyzie | just curious if i run memtest86, will it gonna loop forever or it stop after it done the test? |
| 13:54.20 | cahoot | E-bola: might look inteo /etc/exim4/main/02_exim_conf... |
| 13:54.26 | justin | cyzie: loops forever |
| 13:54.31 | GeorgeS069 | tuxub: not sure what else to tell ya dude...I don't use ldap....my next idea would be to remove it and re-install...maybe back-up the configs first too |
| 13:55.00 | tuxub | GeorgeS069, txs |
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| 13:56.41 | enouf | E-bola: on cahoot's lead .. found this --> /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options:# log_selector = <unset> |
| 13:56.43 | E-bola | cahoot: nothing there? |
| 13:57.10 | enouf | E-bola: I'm on sid/etch though |
| 13:57.39 | cahoot | E-bola: there's a reference to some file called spec.txt |
| 13:57.41 | enouf | also /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options:# customize logging. See spec.txt 48.15. |
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| 13:58.33 | E-bola | log_selector determines WHAT gets logged i think |
| 13:58.37 | E-bola | acording to exim docs u need to use logfile = |
| 13:58.45 | E-bola | but the problem is i cant find that specified anywhere in the exim docs |
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| 13:58.52 | E-bola | maybe it was compiled in, and not specified anywhere.... |
| 13:59.22 | cahoot | E-bola: it's DM seems to be a frequent guest in this channel |
| 13:59.34 | GeorgeS069 | maybe the default location was compiled in and you need to specify something else to change it |
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| 14:00.42 | GeorgeS069 | try logfile = /dev/null and see if it stops logging |
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| 14:01.17 | sphenxes | where can i download dabain test "etch"? is there any ktorrent link for such download? |
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| 14:01.34 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 14:01.53 | GeorgeS069 | !d-i etch |
| 14:01.54 | dpkg | etch, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 14:02.01 | jeffrin | iam not able to download files using amule |
| 14:02.37 | mark1234 | hi, im trying to enable quotas on a non-root xfs filesystem. quotas and xfs quotas are *definitely* enabled in the kernel (2.6.19.1) and i have recompiled the kernel after a make mrproper, but when trying to use the quota option in fstab or mount -t, i just get "unknown mount option [quota]". have also tried usrquota, xfsquota, quotas etc but nothing works. anyone know why? |
| 14:02.52 | SlayerXP | jeffrin: and? |
| 14:03.58 | jeffrin | SlayerXP : when i search iam getting results but when i click dowload it is showing "waiting" in the transfer area |
| 14:04.14 | SlayerXP | jeffrin: and? |
| 14:04.30 | SlayerXP | jeffrin: I'm waiting for the debian-specific part of your question to appear. |
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| 14:04.56 | SlayerXP | jeffrin: i.e. "The reason I mention this here, rather than on amule's support channel is....." |
| 14:05.04 | jeffrin | SlayerXP : sorry |
| 14:05.25 | jeffrin | SlayerXP : i will look for a amule channel |
| 14:06.03 | mark1234 | anyone know why xfs quotas dont work? |
| 14:06.28 | justin | mark1234: does /proc/version have what you think it should in it? |
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| 14:06.55 | GeorgeS069 | that whole mule/donkey p2p thing is a crock-O-s**t anyway....everyone runs with a que of like 50000....you need to stay online waiting for your file for 3 days and then you get like 2mb's and they log off |
| 14:07.17 | mark1234 | justin: yes, it shows the kernel was compiled about ten minutes ago |
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| 14:09.09 | mikearthur | linux in dilbert: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20070125.html |
| 14:09.12 | PingFloyd | try section 48.1 in spec.txt |
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| 14:09.31 | mikearthur | mark1234: do you have the quota module loaded |
| 14:09.51 | mikearthur | including iirc the XFS quota support |
| 14:09.54 | mikearthur | and the userspace tools |
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| 14:10.19 | mark1234 | mikearthur: i have normal quota and xfs quota support compiled into the kernel, not as a module |
| 14:10.19 | hellop | I want to rebuild my kernel, should I get linux-tree? |
| 14:10.29 | mark1234 | and yeah the quota tools are on here |
| 14:10.50 | abdul | hi debian u der? |
| 14:11.03 | PingFloyd | say it's determined by LOG_FILE_PATH |
| 14:11.05 | enouf | file:///usr/share/doc/exim4-doc-html/html/spec_html/ch48.html E-bola |
| 14:11.12 | PingFloyd | s/say/says |
| 14:11.59 | abdul | hi |
| 14:12.32 | enouf | The destination for Exim's logs is configured by setting LOG_FILE_PATH in Local/Makefile or by setting log_file_path in the run time configuration. |
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| 14:13.11 | PingFloyd | all the info is there in the spec.txt and more than you want to know |
| 14:13.29 | enouf | This latter string is expanded, so it can contain, for example, references to the host name: log_file_path = /var/log/$primary_hostname/exim_%slog |
| 14:14.22 | Andy_CARP | hi all, I'm trying tu use webmin to manage 2 servers' cluster, when I try to add a new user to the cluster one of them fails with the error: Login to RPC server as root rejected, I'm not figure out what this means... |
| 14:15.06 | PingFloyd | enouf: the funny this is, is there is a comment in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template that essentially says to refer to the spec.txt for details :) |
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| 14:15.32 | enouf | PingFloyd: I know .. I pasted that earlier :-) |
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| 14:16.05 | enouf | PingFloyd: earlier I said--> "also /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options:# customize logging. See spec.txt 48.15." |
| 14:16.12 | PingFloyd | and the /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template is essentially just an amalgamtion of everything under /etc/exim4/conf.d/ which was determined when he ran dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 14:16.44 | enouf | PingFloyd: really? .. hehe go figure .. must be windonts or adhd |
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| 14:17.36 | azi` | hm.. i have a debian like system without apt-get and the pkg database.. is there any way i could install that? ie. which pakcages should be used to get a working system with apt-get |
| 14:17.40 | azi` | ? |
| 14:18.18 | PingFloyd | enouf: and the things of it is, is that I don't know jack shit about exim |
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| 14:18.36 | enouf | PingFloyd: never even tried it :-) |
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| 14:18.38 | PingFloyd | enouf: yet, I could figure out where to look for something I don't even care about |
| 14:19.01 | PingFloyd | enouf: I only have it there because it's the default |
| 14:19.06 | enouf | and there ya go .. the / key is a beautiful thing |
| 14:19.17 | PingFloyd | enouf: only have it there because programs like croc need an MTA |
| 14:19.30 | enouf | right.. |
| 14:19.35 | PingFloyd | cron I mean |
| 14:19.46 | enouf | alligator? |
| 14:20.00 | enouf | or crock o shit :-) |
| 14:20.05 | PingFloyd | only thing it's doing for this system, as far as mail, is local mail from cron etc. |
| 14:20.15 | PingFloyd | that I check with 'mail' |
| 14:20.23 | PingFloyd | the crude old gnu one |
| 14:20.25 | enouf | PingFloyd: mine doesn't do anything .. no email for me :-) |
| 14:20.48 | PingFloyd | I use my isp's web mail for email myself |
| 14:21.06 | enouf | I'm blissfully ignoramus .. yet when I need to, I use the b0z0 mfree web crapola |
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| 14:21.16 | PingFloyd | that way I can easily check it anywhere on any type of machine with no fuss and don't need to worry about managing and backing up email |
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| 14:22.40 | PingFloyd | I also use like extra storage for backups etc |
| 14:22.53 | enouf | PingFloyd: there have been issues with ISPs banning huge swaths/domains .. so some who need/rely on email for business, do need an alternative such a exim4 (et al) can give them |
| 14:22.54 | PingFloyd | s/use/use it |
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| 14:23.37 | PingFloyd | yeah, but I don't :) |
| 14:23.41 | enouf | especially when expected email is likely from unknown future customers .. like |
| 14:23.46 | enouf | me neither :-) |
| 14:24.02 | PingFloyd | the extra 2 gigs on their server is very handy |
| 14:24.18 | enouf | yep .. |
| 14:24.26 | PingFloyd | I have old hardware |
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| 14:24.34 | enouf | ditto |
| 14:25.07 | PingFloyd | so I email backups to my email address on there |
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| 14:25.50 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:26.35 | E-bola | thanks enouf |
| 14:26.42 | E-bola | i guess it must have been compiled in |
| 14:27.00 | PingFloyd | E-bola: did you look at section 48 in the spec.txt? |
| 14:27.26 | hellop | how do I tell my X version? |
| 14:27.41 | PingFloyd | E-bola: it will tell you everything you were wondering and then some |
| 14:27.45 | hark | X -version |
| 14:27.55 | hellop | hark, tks |
| 14:28.28 | E-bola | PingFloyd: the exim specs u mean? |
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| 14:28.33 | enouf | unfortunately it points to 48.15 . when 48.1 or .2 is needed, yet scrolling up in that doc is atleast more than a few pages |
| 14:28.41 | PingFloyd | E-bola: about how logging works etc |
| 14:28.47 | E-bola | i read them on the exim.org site |
| 14:28.48 | E-bola | but ya |
| 14:28.55 | E-bola | i just missed the makefile part |
| 14:29.06 | E-bola | also i think its bad practice of the debian package maintainer |
| 14:29.13 | E-bola | to not include the directivbe somewhere in the config files |
| 14:29.16 | PingFloyd | they're in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 14:29.17 | E-bola | so its easier for users to override |
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| 14:30.05 | PingFloyd | E-bola: the thing with exim4 is that it can have it configuration in two different ways |
| 14:30.31 | PingFloyd | E-bola: i big mess of file in conf.d or everything in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 14:31.02 | PingFloyd | when you ran dpkg-reconfigure for it, one of the options what which style you want |
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| 14:31.19 | PingFloyd | s/what/was |
| 14:31.33 | hellop | I have xorg version 7.1, is there a way to use apt to get Xorg 0.8.1? |
| 14:31.49 | PingFloyd | Debian is just going with the default |
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| 14:32.00 | PingFloyd | like a good distro should |
| 14:33.11 | PingFloyd | hellop: try search in the cache |
| 14:33.23 | kralj_humora | vfv |
| 14:33.25 | enouf | http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4?highlight=%28exim4%29 says * The documentation we deliver seems to be overwhelming for the novice user. We'd appreciate patches simplifying the docs, and/or adding information that is missing. |
| 14:33.40 | enouf | so help out E-bola :-) |
| 14:34.02 | PingFloyd | E-bola: looks like there is your calling |
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| 14:34.25 | enouf | PingFloyd: ahh .. you're reminding me of the either many many conf. files or one HUGE one :-) |
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| 14:35.09 | PingFloyd | Then maybe exim4 will, in the future, won't require people like me who just want to be able to use cron and nothing else, from having to go weeding through miles of docs to get such a simple thing working :) |
| 14:35.38 | mark123 | hi, i am going insane trying to make quotas work on my xfs partition (/home). i keep getting 'bad option' when trying to use the 'usrquota' mount option, despite xfs quota support being very definitely enabled in the kernel config. anyone got any ideas? |
| 14:35.43 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config isnt exactly complicated |
| 14:36.00 | PingFloyd | enouf: yeah, I just went with it's recommendation of keeping them in 1 file. I'm glad I did |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | mark123: might want to query #xfs also |
| 14:36.41 | GeorgeS069 | simple mail install: apt-get install postfix :) |
| 14:37.26 | mark123 | thanks abrotman |
| 14:37.33 | kralj_humora | jebo te dusan petrovic |
| 14:37.48 | kralj_humora | CCV |
| 14:37.57 | kralj_humora | CCV |
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| 14:37.59 | kralj_humora | CCV |
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| 14:38.04 | enouf | !ops |
| 14:38.04 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 14:38.35 | enouf | we are getting drive-bys ops |
| 14:38.46 | azeem | hrm? |
| 14:38.59 | enouf | azeem: you asked us to tell you .. |
| 14:39.00 | abrotman | enouf: worst !ops .. ever |
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| 14:39.08 | azeem | enouf: tell you waht? |
| 14:39.15 | enouf | abrotman: give me lessons ? |
| 14:39.27 | abrotman | no way .. i get in enough trouble! |
| 14:39.31 | GeorgeS069 | !lose enouf |
| 14:39.31 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 14:39.44 | enouf | azeem: yesterday/night you asked on oftc why nobody called for ops |
| 14:39.55 | enouf | drats! |
| 14:40.04 | GeorgeS069 | we don't need no ops |
| 14:40.18 | azeem | ok, what does that have to do with (i) this situation (ii) "getting drive-by ops" |
| 14:40.37 | abrotman | azeem: i think he meant "ops, we're getting drive-bys" |
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| 14:40.39 | enouf | azeem: drive-by spam? |
| 14:40.45 | enouf | azeem: yes .. thanks |
| 14:40.50 | enouf | er abrotman |
| 14:41.19 | azeem | kralj_humora was flodding, not spamming, anyway |
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| 14:41.29 | abrotman | kind of hard to tell :) |
| 14:41.36 | hark | liable sure will be pleased. ;) |
| 14:41.43 | GeorgeS069 | that was no flood...wanna see a real flood?? hehehehe |
| 14:41.46 | abrotman | enouf: do you get sheared ? |
| 14:41.46 | enouf | looks like a russian exploit |
| 14:41.49 | topa_ | where do I put in request for new packages which are not in debian repositories ? |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | !tell topa_ about RFP |
| 14:41.59 | enouf | abrotman: don't even |
| 14:42.08 | azeem | it's not really critical unless, they repeatedly do that rejoining after getting kicked by debhelper, or evading debhelper by slowing down |
| 14:42.08 | abrotman | !tell topa_ about wnpp |
| 14:42.37 | enouf | azeem: ok .. I'll wait for two or three times like last night |
| 14:42.50 | azeem | enouf: anyway, if you call ops, add a reason |
| 14:42.53 | topa_ | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:42.56 | cydork | huh? what happened last night? |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | it doesn't work without a reason |
| 14:42.58 | enouf | azeem: yep |
| 14:43.02 | azeem | otherwise, it's just useless |
| 14:43.14 | azeem | cydork: on oftc |
| 14:43.14 | enouf | cydork: go back to bed |
| 14:43.19 | abrotman | enouf: you've been here enough to know how to use !ops |
| 14:43.32 | hellop | I see references to X version 0.8.1 and version 6.8.1 which one is it? |
| 14:43.38 | enouf | abrotman: too quick on the draw .. |
| 14:43.38 | abrotman | X -version |
| 14:43.48 | cydork | azeem: oh ok.. |
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| 14:45.25 | enouf | GeorgeS069: last night (or whenever) on oftc, it started out small an harmless like that .. within say 3 minutes .. the channel was flooded with mulirple drive-bys at once .. thought I'd nip it in the bud |
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| 14:45.38 | enouf | er cydork ^^^ |
| 14:46.33 | cydork | enouf: hmm got it.. :) |
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| 14:46.43 | fasta | Does find have an option such that it prints the whole filename (instead of using a dot)? |
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| 14:51.26 | topa_ | sometimes during upgrade why does apt stall for a long time (~4 hrs) which upgrading the tetex-bin package ? |
| 14:51.54 | azeem | topa_: and then it moves on? |
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| 14:53.12 | cydork | fasta: you can use -printf Or use sed :P |
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| 14:53.28 | fasta | cydork: what control character gives the full name? |
| 14:53.29 | topa_ | azeem, yes and then it moves on |
| 14:53.36 | topa_ | azeem, is that normal ? |
| 14:53.42 | cydork | fasta: %f i think.. check man |
| 14:54.16 | topa_ | azeem, only problem is during that 4 hours CPU utilization shoots to 100% and lappie heats up.. |
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| 14:54.35 | azeem | topa_: it's strange |
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| 14:54.45 | azeem | topa_: tetex-bin can take quite long to configure, but 4 hours... |
| 14:54.49 | azeem | topa_: what CPU do you have? |
| 14:54.56 | topa_ | azeem, Core Duo |
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| 14:55.00 | RichiH | azeem: a dead racoon? |
| 14:55.08 | azeem | topa_: well, then it's a bug |
| 14:55.15 | a-atwood | heh, my old 486-66 doesn't take that long |
| 14:55.33 | topa_ | it runs something called fmutil |
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| 14:55.48 | topa_ | umpd-something and a bunch of other stuff |
| 14:56.06 | NiklasH_work | hi, can anyone tell me how to enable file upload in atftpd. I can't seem to find any decent docs for it, and apparently (according to the minimyth docs), it can be done |
| 14:56.31 | topa_ | and mediawiki has a dependency on tetex-bin.. :( |
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| 14:56.50 | cydork | !dbugs 315762 |
| 14:56.57 | dpkg | #315762:I[tetex-bin] tetex-bin: Fork bomb in postinst/fmtutil?; Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:03:02 UTC |
| 14:57.00 | fasta | cydork: This works: find `pwd` -type d -printf "%p\n" |
| 14:57.01 | cydork | topa_: ^^ |
| 14:57.03 | sorl_ | how can i create a 10mb empty file? |
| 14:57.13 | NiklasH_work | sorl_: man dd |
| 14:57.18 | topa_ | cydork, hmm lemme have a look |
| 14:57.21 | amphi | cydork: heh |
| 14:58.16 | sorl_ | NiklasH_work, uh, but dd is a science |
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| 14:59.15 | NiklasH_work | sorl_: ok then... :) dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile bs=1M count=10 |
| 14:59.31 | topa_ | cydork, yep, that sounds similar |
| 14:59.40 | NiklasH_work | write zeroes in blocks of 1M ten times |
| 14:59.52 | sorl_ | NiklasH_work, :) thanks |
| 14:59.59 | NiklasH_work | np |
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| 15:01.35 | mcquaid | hello, i seem to be having an issue with df reporting the incorrect amount free |
| 15:02.07 | mcquaid | it reports: 73307164 70563564 509280 which s/b about .2.6G free not 500 megs |
| 15:02.16 | mcquaid | gparted agrees taht 2.6 is free |
| 15:02.24 | mcquaid | and i ran fsck but same thing |
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| 15:04.15 | mcquaid | any suggestions on troubleshooting this? |
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| 15:06.46 | enouf | mcquaid: Ext2fs reserves some blocks for the super user (root). Normally, 5% of the blocks are reserved. This allows the administrator to recover easily from situations where user processes fill up filesystems. |
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| 15:07.44 | mcquaid | enouf, i think i read about something like that before, |
| 15:07.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I've been getting locale errors when doing stuff in the command line lately. I've tried dpkg-reconfigure locales, but it's not helping, as you can see here: http://pastebin.ca/328103 . Can anyone give me a hand? |
| 15:08.27 | mcquaid | i guess my concern is i just did some partitioning changes (not the part but one right after) and i thought prior to this df agreed on the space free |
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| 15:08.40 | enouf | mcquaid: plus .. that isn't a safe amt of diskspace .. get another or more HDDs |
| 15:08.40 | mcquaid | enouf, can you show me your df of your / part? |
| 15:09.13 | mcquaid | yes i was about to clear up some room, and thats when i thought i had about 2.5 gigs and not 500 megs |
| 15:09.15 | enouf | mcquaid: sure --> /dev/hdc1 8.0G 5.1G 2.6G 67% / |
| 15:09.42 | mcquaid | can you give it to me again with the -h? |
| 15:09.54 | mcquaid | i want to see how off the difference of the two is |
| 15:09.56 | enouf | mcquaid: that is with the -h :-) |
| 15:10.02 | mcquaid | err without |
| 15:10.04 | mcquaid | i meant ;) |
| 15:10.12 | hellop | can I apt-get my xorg source? Is this xorg.dev or xserver-xorg-dev? |
| 15:10.31 | enouf | mcquaid: /dev/hdc1 8364900 5267536 2672448 67% / |
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| 15:11.00 | enouf | !source |
| 15:11.00 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 15:11.35 | mcquaid | ok so your is about half a gig off from the diff of the two |
| 15:11.47 | enouf | hellop: you need a deb-src line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:11.53 | mcquaid | and you say this is about 5%? so i guess it's normal that i lose about 2 gigs? |
| 15:11.56 | mcquaid | seems like a lot |
| 15:12.09 | mcquaid | and found it strange that gparted didn't agree |
| 15:12.12 | enouf | 2GB ain't nothing nowadays |
| 15:12.19 | mcquaid | no i know |
| 15:12.34 | mcquaid | just curious does parted agree with df? as mine doesn't here |
| 15:12.49 | jelly | Which package do I need (in stable) to make firmware-loading modules work? Only hotplug, or something else? |
| 15:12.50 | mcquaid | as i mentioned parted says i have 2.6 gigs free |
| 15:13.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, can anyone help me? :) |
| 15:13.39 | Ronin | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about ask |
| 15:13.46 | enouf | mcquaid: you DO .. you can't access it (unless you use a liveCD and look at it from a non-live perspective) .. it's for root .. and FS management |
| 15:13.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ronin: I already asked my question |
| 15:14.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just look up a bit ^ |
| 15:14.15 | Ronin | doh |
| 15:14.24 | jelly | /lastlog ftw |
| 15:14.25 | abrotman | need more coffee eh ? |
| 15:14.26 | mcquaid | hmm, well what i just did was boot from a live cd to run fsck, and then i mounted the part and getting the same values |
| 15:14.36 | Ronin | abrotman: that or less beer |
| 15:14.49 | enouf | mcquaid: stop talking in circles and move on :-) |
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| 15:15.19 | enouf | mcquaid: once you mount .. guess what .. it's live |
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| 15:15.23 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have "nb_NO" in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 15:15.30 | mcquaid | ah |
| 15:15.31 | mcquaid | doh |
| 15:15.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Yeah, several |
| 15:15.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Some ISO, some UTF |
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| 15:16.00 | mcquaid | ok i'll drop the issue, just thought i was losing space, and then i thought parted mucked up something |
| 15:16.29 | mcquaid | after all these years i still get a little nervous when mucking with partitions |
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| 15:16.36 | enouf | mcquaid: no biggy .. just be careful using any partition resizing util and BACKUP your important stuff |
| 15:16.52 | mcquaid | backup? |
| 15:16.55 | mcquaid | ;) |
| 15:16.56 | enouf | mcquaid: anyone who doesn't is foolish |
| 15:17.10 | mcquaid | well hence the nervous part ;) |
| 15:17.13 | belkin | wtf does printer calibration mean ? |
| 15:17.19 | enouf | --> "get a little nervous when mucking with partitions" |
| 15:17.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Any idea what's wrong? |
| 15:17.25 | jelly | belkin: color calibration probably |
| 15:17.42 | belkin | jelly is it emoty or what ? |
| 15:17.50 | PingFloyd | belkin: usually it's aligning the b/w heads with the color one |
| 15:18.05 | PingFloyd | s/heads/head |
| 15:18.16 | mcquaid | well thx for the info enouf, i feel more at ease, thought something was wrong |
| 15:18.29 | belkin | i still dont undestand you PingFloyd |
| 15:18.40 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: you're taking into account 1024^x right? |
| 15:18.47 | mcquaid | yes |
| 15:18.50 | RichiH | how do i remove exim4 and install qmail in one go? |
| 15:19.08 | Ronin | RichiH: apt-get remove then love the compile :) |
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| 15:19.22 | belkin | how do i do that ? the printer isnt working anymore PingFloyd |
| 15:19.26 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: not sure but maybe an LC_ALL=C may help |
| 15:19.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | RichiH: dpkg -r exim4 && apt-get install qmail? |
| 15:19.44 | stoned | I think if you install another mailserver exim will get marked for removal |
| 15:19.46 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: what's cat /etc/environment say? |
| 15:19.47 | stoned | I think |
| 15:19.54 | PingFloyd | belkin: say you have an inkjet with one head for black and another for your colors, it has to make sure, that on the paper, they align up, otherwise images will look funny |
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| 15:19.58 | stoned | man I'm back on irssi and I feel great |
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| 15:20.14 | RichiH | Ronin: that will remove stuff i would rather keep (and i do not fancy to remove it and then reinstall the stuff) |
| 15:20.22 | mcquaid | PingFloyd, i was just doing 73307164 - 70563600 = 2743564/1024 = 2679 so expected 2.6 gigs and not the 500 megs it was reporting |
| 15:20.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 15:20.30 | RichiH | Dark_Apostrophe: does not really want to let me do it due to deps |
| 15:20.41 | mcquaid | i remember reading way back when that some was reserved, just didn't realize it's that high |
| 15:20.44 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: then divide by 1024 again for you gigs |
| 15:20.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | RichiH: Use synaptic to find a smart way to solve the dependency problems? |
| 15:20.52 | belkin | PingFloyd yes one for black one for color. but now the printer doesnt work anymore |
| 15:20.53 | PingFloyd | s/you/your |
| 15:21.00 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: is there no LANGUAGE= there? |
| 15:21.04 | mcquaid | yes i know which is 2.61 |
| 15:21.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: No |
| 15:21.23 | Ronin | RichiH: synaptic perhaps? |
| 15:21.49 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: dunno. Did you run update-locale after? |
| 15:21.50 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: edit it and place something similar to this there LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 15:21.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ronin: I already told him that. :) |
| 15:22.04 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: but use your Language |
| 15:22.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: No |
| 15:22.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Should I run update-locale first? |
| 15:22.27 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: you could try... |
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| 15:23.11 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: sure why not .. before AND after |
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| 15:23.19 | PingFloyd | belkin: in what way? |
| 15:23.32 | RichiH | also, i kinda do not have X on that machine ;) |
| 15:23.36 | Ronin | Dark_Apostrophe: im a day late and a dollar short apparenlty all day |
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| 15:23.48 | debianito2 | buenas wakejagr_ |
| 15:23.57 | debianito2 | i'm sorry !!! |
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| 15:24.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf, jelly: http://pastebin.ca/328123 |
| 15:24.27 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: (even though dpkg-reconfigure locales does it too, so it should work) |
| 15:24.41 | belkin | PingFloyd it just doesnt move the colors anymore .. they should be moving from left to right... when i start it |
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| 15:25.53 | PingFloyd | belkin: did you try resetting the printer? |
| 15:26.14 | belkin | is there a reset button ? |
| 15:26.17 | belkin | let me check |
| 15:26.23 | PingFloyd | belkin: you tell me :) |
| 15:26.23 | enouf | Ronin: don't feel bad, I lost twice already today |
| 15:26.39 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: meh, pastebin your /etc/locale.gen and output from "debconf-get-selections|grep locales/locales_to_be_generated" |
| 15:26.44 | belkin | it says clear jam and press ok .. and next says print cartridge cradle is stuck |
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| 15:27.03 | PingFloyd | belkin: well, that's progress at least :) |
| 15:27.14 | belkin | ;) |
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| 15:27.16 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: also, do installed versions of libc6 and locales packages match? |
| 15:27.22 | PingFloyd | belkin: see if anything is jammed up |
| 15:27.37 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: (I'm just guessing wildly here, don't take me too seriously) |
| 15:28.02 | enouf | jeward: (what do you think I do most all day) |
| 15:28.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Match? How? |
| 15:28.06 | enouf | jelly: |
| 15:28.11 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: are they the same |
| 15:28.24 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: ...version |
| 15:28.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Seems so |
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| 15:28.34 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:28.56 | PingFloyd | seems and being aren't always one in the same :) |
| 15:29.19 | jelly | dpkg -l libc6 locales|grep ^.i will confirm |
| 15:29.19 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 locales|grep ^.i will confirm |
| 15:29.22 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: what's set | grep LANG say? |
| 15:29.34 | enouf | shaddup dpkg |
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| 15:29.44 | jelly | !cookie enouf |
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| 15:29.50 | dpkg | Hey jelly, is |
| 15:29.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: But now I think I know the reason for this. A few days ago, I tried running Warsow (a game). It complained that glibc was too old, so I compiled one and installed it. After some errors, I reverted to Debian's, and it seems that all problems except for this locale thing are solved. :/ |
| 15:30.02 | enouf | huh? |
| 15:30.16 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: and the answer is revealed |
| 15:30.17 | enouf | dpkg must've burped |
| 15:30.17 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: it's a PEBCAK |
| 15:30.21 | enouf | or farted |
| 15:30.26 | PingFloyd | and most likely locales are the least of worries now |
| 15:30.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: PEBCAK? |
| 15:30.32 | enouf | heheheh |
| 15:30.42 | Ronin | Dark_Apostrophe: problem exists between chair and keyboard |
| 15:30.45 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: also known as id10t problem |
| 15:30.45 | enouf | er PEBKAC |
| 15:30.50 | PingFloyd | building glibc is NOT a simple thing |
| 15:30.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Very funny. |
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| 15:30.56 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: you were warned about this iirc.. |
| 15:31.14 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: I suggest a reinstall. :-| |
| 15:31.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | I was, but the problems disappeared after I reverted. I only noticed this not long ago.... |
| 15:31.29 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: don't be building glibc, leave that to people that know what they're doing |
| 15:31.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I thought it might have been something else. |
| 15:31.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: Gotcha. |
| 15:32.00 | dkr | any idea why my sendmail server would stop accepting plain auth after I restarted even thoough I didn't change config and /etc/mail/databases still lists plain in AUTH_MECHANISMS and TRUST_AUTH_MECHANISMS?? |
| 15:32.03 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: it's one of the quickest way to obliterate your system |
| 15:32.23 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: you could try reinstalling locales and libc6, but who knows what leftovers your CUSTOM GLIBC has left on the system. |
| 15:32.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: Well, locale aside, I'm not experiencing any problems. |
| 15:32.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: I did reinstall them. |
| 15:32.50 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: oh. You're on your own then ;-) |
| 15:32.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Do you think if I redownload glibc and run make uninstall, it'll get rid of them? |
| 15:33.12 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: uhm, that will leave you without libc |
| 15:33.12 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: edit /etc/environment and place something similar to this there LANGUAGE="en_US:en_GB:en" |
| 15:33.18 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: I have no opinion, sorry. |
| 15:33.23 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: there's alot more to building glibc than ./configure ; make ; make install |
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| 15:33.32 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: alot more |
| 15:33.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: And if I instantly reinstall the debian packages? |
| 15:33.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: Well, you live and you learn :) |
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| 15:33.57 | azeem | buildd@beethoven:~$ ldd /usr/bin/dpkg | grep libc |
| 15:33.58 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's not the first time I screwed up my system, and it probably won't be my last. |
| 15:34.02 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: dpkg needs libc |
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| 15:34.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Guess not then... |
| 15:34.11 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: that's right |
| 15:34.16 | lepton | dkr: no idea, but I would check logfiles |
| 15:34.33 | jelly | azeem: what arch/system is _that_? :-) |
| 15:34.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | But the best way to learn is to undo your own damage, right? :) |
| 15:34.38 | azeem | GNU/Hurd |
| 15:34.44 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah |
| 15:34.45 | azeem | first system I found a shell |
| 15:34.46 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: worth a shot |
| 15:35.34 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: take a look at LFS if you're interested about building glibc |
| 15:35.39 | xsdg | what time is the dinstall run, usually? |
| 15:35.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: I only did it to get Warsow to run |
| 15:35.53 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: add this LANGUAGE="en_US.UTF-8:nb_NO" to the top of that file |
| 15:36.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: I added it to the bottom |
| 15:36.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does it make a difference? |
| 15:36.08 | RichiH | Ronin: i would like the fact more if DJB was not such a prick ;) |
| 15:36.10 | enouf | not really |
| 15:36.26 | enouf | now .. what happens now? pastebin? |
| 15:36.37 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: you could try configuring glibc source in the exact same way, then do make; make -n install and take note of every file which would have been installed, compare to contents of libc6 and locales packages and try to remove superfluous stuff. |
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| 15:36.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Same error it seems |
| 15:36.56 | Ronin | RichiH: i prefer the term egotistical ass |
| 15:36.57 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: logout and login |
| 15:37.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 15:37.08 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: what's set | grep LANG say? |
| 15:37.15 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: also, next time, rebuild the app instead of rebuilding glibc, it'll create less damage |
| 15:37.18 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: let me give you a link to something that gives some helpful information about that |
| 15:37.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | LANG=nb_NO |
| 15:37.34 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: logout and login |
| 15:37.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: I tried building it but could find no executables after make finished |
| 15:37.45 | xsdg | jelly, Dark_Apostrophe: jelly's plan would be easier by setting the prefix to some fake directory, doing the make install there, and comparing `ls -lR` or similar |
| 15:38.30 | PingFloyd | http://www.diy-linux.org/reference-build/temptools.html#tt-glibc |
| 15:38.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: Don't worry, I won't touch glibc again |
| 15:39.06 | jelly | xsdg, Dark_Apostrophe: right. However I have no idea whatsoever about glibc build scripts and whether they have something like DESTDIR or instroot ... |
| 15:39.07 | PingFloyd | http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2004-03/msg00114.html |
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| 15:40.09 | yhan | hi I would like to prevent an account to login remotly, access.conf is supposed to do that, but how can I activate it ? |
| 15:40.13 | xsdg | jelly: if it uses configure, I would trust that and cross my fingers; it generally works |
| 15:40.20 | xsdg | (especially if you do `make install` not as root) |
| 15:40.37 | RichiH | Ronin: pity that he is as brilliant ;) |
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| 15:40.40 | yhan | I tried this : -:useraccound:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL |
| 15:40.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yeah, glibc used autotools |
| 15:40.56 | yhan | it doesn;t work, what's wrong ? |
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| 15:42.13 | xsdg | yhan: "useraccound"? not "useraccountd" or "useraccount"? |
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| 15:42.50 | yhan | useraccount = someuser |
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| 15:43.13 | yhan | could be -:yhan:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL |
| 15:43.59 | humbolto | If there is a "frozen" mail in my exim mailq, what does that mean? |
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| 15:44.24 | xsdg | humbolto: it tried to send it multiple times and failed each time; it's waiting for some amount of time then will try sending again |
| 15:45.07 | xsdg | humbolto: if it hasn't succeeded after 3 days, it'll return a permanent failure message to the sender |
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| 15:45.46 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: there is probably alot of educational value in trying to fix it, but if you want to have your system up and running without possible problems and be over and done with it, then your best bet is to probably just reinstall Debian |
| 15:46.15 | lexa | hey! anyone know how start q3 server? |
| 15:46.36 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe you can figure out the timesframe when you hand-installed glibc and search /usr/lib and /lib and others for files from that time for possible replacement |
| 15:46.51 | dkr | lepton: my onlu clue in logs is "sm-mta[4808]: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: No such file or directory" but I've never enabled sasl. I just updated everything, this is an etch box. and I explicitly set TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN PLAIN')dnl and ran sendmailconfig but get the same error |
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| 15:47.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: i honestly couldn't be arsed to reinstall Debian... |
| 15:47.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Well, it was few days ago, that's all I remember. :P |
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| 15:48.05 | dkr | lepton: this is one of the situations where all of the debian modifications to the config of an already somewhat complicated daemon get frustrating, :) |
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| 15:48.33 | aleph0 | hello everyone |
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| 15:49.22 | aleph0 | I'm having trouble with debians courier-maildrop. I think that my /etc/courier/maildroprc is not read at all... is there some other place where I have to keep my config in debian? |
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| 15:50.36 | rmrfchik | hi |
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| 15:50.48 | rmrfchik | is there way to dump usb stream? |
| 15:51.02 | rmrfchik | i.e. data between driver and device |
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| 15:54.59 | ragno2 | from non-root user I try to mount a samba share, it says: cannot mount on ...: Operation not permitted smbmnt failed: 1 |
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| 15:55.33 | ragno2 | in fstab there is //192.168.1.2/linux_condivisa /mnt/linux_condivisa smbfs rw,user,noauto,suid,username=claudio 0 0 |
| 15:55.44 | ragno2 | if I mount form root, it works |
| 15:56.32 | oramirez_ | hi, probably is not a debian question, but I will ask it anyway. Does anyone have a clue where is can be the problem: The Settings Daemon restarted too many times. |
| 15:56.32 | oramirez_ | The last error message was: |
| 15:56.32 | oramirez_ | System exception: IDL:Bonobo/GeneralError:1.0 : Child process did not give an error message, unknown failure occurred |
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| 15:57.04 | oramirez_ | after I updated debian-gnome this error started to appear. |
| 15:57.04 | aleph0 | does anybody have courier-maildrop working? |
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| 15:58.17 | n2iko | don't have it on either system |
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| 16:01.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly, enouf: I logged out and logged back in, but it didn't help... http://pastebin.ca/328154 <-- Got that while apt-getting something |
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| 16:04.50 | aTypical | Hello all. How do I tell Debian to use the version of Java that I installed? |
| 16:05.14 | rmrfchik | update-alternatives --config java |
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| 16:06.00 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: I'm not an expert, but my guess is that you'll probably see alot of programs beginning to break due to dependencies somewhere on down the line to the libc that Debian uses |
| 16:06.01 | aTypical | rmrfchik, thank you. When I run that it returns "There is only 1 program which provides java" |
| 16:06.11 | aTypical | rmrfchik, this is a version that I downloaded directly from Sun. |
| 16:06.21 | aTypical | "this" meaning the one I would like to use. |
| 16:06.56 | quitte | aTypical: sun java is now free and in debian. why dont you use that? |
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| 16:07.29 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: why are you not ficing your locales, rather thsn apt-get .. might as well try export LC_ALL=C |
| 16:07.30 | quitte | aTypical: unless you use stable, of course |
| 16:07.32 | aTypical | quitte, no reason, I guess. I was just following a tutorial on setting up Tomcat. |
| 16:07.36 | rmrfchik | aTypical: you have 2 options: make java packages with java-package or use sun-jdk from unstable |
| 16:07.36 | aTypical | Oh, I'm on stable. |
| 16:07.40 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: sorry, dude, I have no idea what else might be broken by your installing glibc from source, could be leftover libraries, locale setting in funny paths, anything really. |
| 16:07.42 | enouf | s/ficing/fixing |
| 16:07.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: Ok. |
| 16:07.58 | aTypical | rmrfchik, oh. Bummer. |
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| 16:08.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: I'll try export soon, I'm a little busy right now though |
| 16:08.08 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: you installed glibc from source?? |
| 16:08.09 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: and you cetainly mangled that /etc/environment edit :-P |
| 16:08.12 | rmrfchik | aTypical: java-package can create package from sun distibution |
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| 16:08.28 | rahul | rmrfchik: that didn't work for me, recently |
| 16:08.31 | jelly | rahul: correctamundo :-) |
| 16:08.37 | rahul | for whatever that's worth |
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| 16:09.06 | rmrfchik | does any body knows about usbfs_snoop? |
| 16:09.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | rahul: Yes. Stupid mistake, I know. |
| 16:09.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: What do you mean? |
| 16:09.26 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not supposed to be an easy task, heh |
| 16:09.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did the usual ./configure;make;make install... |
| 16:09.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I didn't know it was difficult |
| 16:09.49 | rahul | eh... |
| 16:10.01 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: your recent pastebin |
| 16:10.11 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: add this LANGUAGE="en_US.UTF-8:nb_NO" to the top of that file |
| 16:10.29 | enouf | not Great Britian and other examples I gave |
| 16:10.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... |
| 16:11.13 | PingFloyd | enouf: I think at this point, it's like unravelling a ball of yarn |
| 16:11.23 | linux_jones | so i installed etch on my laptop last night, and the mouse curser moves really slow, is there a way to fix this? |
| 16:11.35 | enouf | PingFloyd: yeah // a knotted ball of yarn |
| 16:11.39 | amphi | linux_jones: xset peraps |
| 16:11.42 | amphi | *perhaps |
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| 16:12.55 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: the debian build uses 4 different tarballs of code, btw |
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| 16:13.12 | mcquaid | does grub support logical parts? |
| 16:13.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | rahul: I didn't know that. :P |
| 16:13.28 | rahul | mcquaid: logical in what context? |
| 16:13.31 | PingFloyd | also there is a tight relationship between version of gcc and glibc |
| 16:13.50 | PingFloyd | and I believe binutils for that matter |
| 16:13.52 | jelly | rahul: in the primary vs. logical (PC/DOS partition table) sense? |
| 16:13.58 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not as complex as xfree86 tho |
| 16:13.58 | enouf | mcquaid: ofcourse |
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| 16:14.06 | rahul | jelly: you asking me? :P |
| 16:14.12 | mcquaid | logical parts inside an extended partition, i can't seem to get grub to boot my xp install |
| 16:14.14 | jelly | rahul: I'm suggesting |
| 16:14.24 | enouf | oh boy |
| 16:14.25 | mcquaid | it's not at 0,0 so i don't know if thats the issue |
| 16:14.27 | rahul | jelly: wasn't sure if he was talking about LVM |
| 16:14.37 | rahul | mcquaid: it should be fine with them |
| 16:14.47 | rahul | mcquaid: you might need to do remapping tricks |
| 16:14.53 | enouf | XPoop won't boot as a logical .. why I know that? .. I dunno |
| 16:14.56 | jelly | mcquaid: Can Windows NT systems be installed in a logical partition at all? |
| 16:15.15 | mcquaid | yes i installed it there and xp booted fine from it |
| 16:15.24 | mcquaid | just can't access now that i wrote back grub |
| 16:15.38 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: is it set to chainload your XP? |
| 16:16.28 | mcquaid | yes |
| 16:16.56 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: it's probably like what enouf is saying then. It wouldn't surprise me if it has that sort of limitation |
| 16:16.59 | mcquaid | not sure if i have the syntax right though, first i tried chainloader +1, then chainloader (hd0,4)+1 |
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| 16:17.22 | mcquaid | do you mean it won't boot from grub? |
| 16:17.32 | mcquaid | becuase if i write back the mbr win the xp disc it will boot |
| 16:17.35 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: don't know off hand, I would have to look at the grub docs, so check in there |
| 16:17.38 | enouf | no .. it means what I said |
| 16:17.41 | rahul | rootnoverify (hd0,0) // makeactive // chainloader +1 |
| 16:17.47 | mcquaid | well i installed there and it does boot |
| 16:18.06 | mcquaid | i thought i read that too, but i took a chance installed it to hda5 and it booted fine |
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| 16:18.13 | enouf | ok.. |
| 16:18.22 | mcquaid | http://www.pastebin.ca/328174 thats what i have in grub now |
| 16:18.33 | mcquaid | i've tried so many combinations of things to get it to boot |
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| 16:20.00 | quitte | has anyone here got a box that uses the shpchp module for pci hotplug and got it working? |
| 16:20.38 | mcquaid | PingFloyd, i went through various grub docs, forum postings etc. can't see what i'm doing wrong |
| 16:20.48 | enouf | mcquaid: pastebin fdisk -l /dev/hda ..or if you know you have more .. those as well |
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| 16:21.04 | mcquaid | ok |
| 16:21.12 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: one thing the docs imply is that the partition has to be set as active |
| 16:21.45 | GeorgeS069 | nap time...bbl |
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| 16:21.53 | mcquaid | http://www.pastebin.ca/328182 |
| 16:22.02 | rahul | look at what I said above |
| 16:22.04 | rahul | that works for me |
| 16:22.13 | enouf | mcquaid: remove the map commands. that's for separate drives |
| 16:22.16 | mcquaid | now from what i've read, you grub will only allow you to use makeactive on primary parts |
| 16:22.17 | rahul | it's what the grub docs said to do |
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| 16:22.30 | mcquaid | yes i disocovered that, gave up on the mapping |
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| 16:22.44 | PingFloyd | so you would have something rootnoverify(hdX,Y) ; makeactive ; chainloader +1 (make sure that hd(X,Y) is set right and remember it begins at 0 instead of 1 like Linux). |
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| 16:23.32 | mcquaid | rahul, you can use makeactive though becuase it's a primary part |
| 16:23.45 | mcquaid | grub won't allow makeactive on non primary parts |
| 16:24.02 | rahul | then it won't boot |
| 16:24.02 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: then you may be sol |
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| 16:24.25 | mcquaid | hmm, so i think it's a grub limitation then |
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| 16:24.37 | enouf | It's the Ext'd partition that's mucking it up .. not to mention the hidden one |
| 16:24.39 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 16:24.41 | mcquaid | might have to go back to lilo |
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| 16:24.54 | mcquaid | i hid it in desperation, the fat32 part |
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| 16:25.09 | mcquaid | didn't make a diff hidden or not |
| 16:25.57 | Cavey|Lab | Probably a stupid question, but last time I downloaded a DVD iso for debian was a while back and it was only one DVD - What are the three DVDs for? The seperated into specific parts or do they blend together? |
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| 16:26.48 | rhsanborn | Anyone know where the file that contains all my available pacakges repositories? |
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| 16:26.53 | belkin | how do i remove a package with all the depends on that ? |
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| 16:27.02 | bigwig | hi |
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| 16:27.17 | PingFloyd | rhsanborn: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:27.32 | rhsanborn | PingFloyd, thanks |
| 16:29.02 | bigwig | i have debian sarge. i would like to install a package, namely libdbix-searchbuilder-perl. |
| 16:29.02 | bigwig | now in my package list i have version 1.26 |
| 16:29.02 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: the makeactive part is probably more dependant upon if XP requires it's boot partition to be set active |
| 16:29.03 | bigwig | and i would really like to have version 1.45 |
| 16:29.03 | bigwig | it does not appear |
| 16:29.03 | mcquaid | ah |
| 16:29.03 | enouf | Cavey|Lab: there's over 17,000 pkgs .. aka 3 DVDs worth |
| 16:29.03 | belkin | how do i remove a package with all the depends on that ? |
| 16:29.04 | mcquaid | hmm, must be some workaround |
| 16:29.04 | bigwig | however if i browse http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libd/... |
| 16:29.04 | bigwig | i find the new package |
| 16:29.04 | bigwig | what can i do? |
| 16:29.05 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: whatever partition you have NTLDR on I think |
| 16:29.06 | jelly | mcquaid: xp partition wasn't active before (since that's impossible), so why not just omit makeactive? |
| 16:29.17 | mcquaid | it's cause i screwed up this drive and used up all my primary's |
| 16:29.18 | bigwig | (i wouldn't like to dpkg -i) |
| 16:29.31 | mcquaid | it just sits there without makeactive when selecting xp to bootup |
| 16:29.56 | mcquaid | with it there i get error 12 invalid device requested |
| 16:29.58 | enouf | !tell bigwig -about pinning |
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| 16:30.06 | enouf | !tell bigwig -about apt howto |
| 16:30.06 | jelly | mcquaid: how did it boot before, did you have Windows' own MBR? |
| 16:30.15 | shingouz | bigwig: dont! /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:30.16 | mcquaid | yes |
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| 16:30.28 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: give it a shot just without the makeactive part, you may want to check your reference of (hdX,Y) though, I believe this must point to whatever partition contain the NT loader |
| 16:30.34 | rhsanborn | what is the name of unstable? |
| 16:30.37 | shingouz | sid |
| 16:30.41 | rhsanborn | thanks |
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| 16:31.02 | bigwig | ok, i'll read those. thank you. |
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| 16:31.24 | shingouz | bigwig: pinning usually causes problems, the backport is safer |
| 16:31.25 | jelly | mcquaid: one possible workaround reinstall windows' MBR code, put grub not in MBR, but on a primary part. Then make that one active. |
| 16:31.55 | mcquaid | heh, i'm asking a guy in #grub and he said how did i install xp to hda5 |
| 16:32.02 | mcquaid | somehow i've done the impossible |
| 16:32.07 | PingFloyd | mcquaid: just remember that for instance, /dev/hda1 would be (hd0,0) to grub and so on |
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| 16:32.16 | aFlag | hello. The goal was to deliver debian etch in december, wasn't it? What made it not happen? Is there an official position about that? |
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| 16:32.33 | jelly | mcquaid: I thought Windows boot loader couldn't handle booting from secondary part. too. |
| 16:32.39 | Ronin | aFlag: too many bugs that weren't fixed at the release date |
| 16:32.45 | bigwig | shingouz: but i don't find it on backports.org |
| 16:32.56 | shingouz | read the docs... |
| 16:32.58 | mcquaid | i assure you, it was booting fine |
| 16:33.34 | jelly | mcquaid: so step one would be to regress to "Windows booting fine". ;-) |
| 16:33.35 | aFlag | Ronin: is there a list of the most important ones? |
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| 16:33.56 | mcquaid | yes i can do that, from xp disc, rewrite mbr but then no lin |
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| 16:35.19 | Ronin | aFlag: iirc http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
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| 16:35.57 | jelly | mcquaid: slightly related, I have a rather crazy setup here imposed by Thinkpad's BIOS code... I had to keep the original MBR code else IBM's hidden partition wouldn't work. Also, their code can boot only from the first partition. So I installed grub on hda2 (Linux partition), dumped first sector into a file and added that file to XP's boot.ini ;-) |
| 16:36.41 | mcquaid | jelly thx |
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| 16:36.45 | jelly | mcquaid: is your Linux on a primary partition? |
| 16:36.56 | mcquaid | funny, someone in grub just said the same thing, so that sounds like the only course of action |
| 16:36.59 | mcquaid | yes |
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| 16:37.38 | jelly | mcquaid: try installing grub on it. Then use Windows' CD to restore MBR, then make the Linux partition active. |
| 16:37.44 | bigwig | thanks all. bye |
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| 16:39.02 | rhsanborn | Aren't there a number of sites that have a list of apt-get repositories? |
| 16:39.15 | linux_jones | how do i use xset to speed up my curser? |
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| 16:39.29 | jelly | mcquaid: that's a step easier than using GRUB from boot.ini, but I don't know if it'll help for booting Windows from grub menu. |
| 16:39.51 | mcquaid | he said to restore mbr as your saying, copy the boot sector to a file and then chainload the file |
| 16:40.03 | Thms | is it normal my iceweasel is in english ? |
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| 16:40.25 | albert__ | Como puedo jugar a modo multijugador en Crack Attack! ? |
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| 16:41.10 | rahul | Thms: no, ancient greek is the normal language for firefox. |
| 16:42.03 | pirast | hi! i made an updated version for a package in debian, of which i am not the maintainer (maintainer seems to be inactive). how can i upload it or could anyone do this for me? |
| 16:42.16 | dkr | argh, this is so frustrating. how do I get sendmail to use my passwd file for authentication? I installed sasl2-bin and I ran /usr/share/sendmail/update_auth and I see that it did, % cat /usr/lib/sasl2/Sendmail.conf |
| 16:42.17 | dkr | pwcheck_method: passwd |
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| 16:42.48 | dkr | but auth.log has: saslpasswd2: error deleting entry from sasldb: DB_NOTFOUND: No matching key/data pair found |
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| 16:43.40 | MaTTh- | Thms, take iceweasel-l10n-fr |
| 16:43.52 | Thms | thanks MaTTh- |
| 16:44.44 | MaTTh- | de rien Thms |
| 16:44.48 | Cavey|Lab | enouf - Ta, just wanted to make sure I wasn't being dumb. Is there any order? Like the first DVD has the most popular packages... |
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| 16:45.13 | rahul | pirast: usually it doesn't work that way |
| 16:45.19 | jelly | mcquaid: heh. Well, whatever works, right |
| 16:45.30 | mcquaid | exactly |
| 16:45.35 | pirast | rahul, so, what can i do? |
| 16:45.41 | rahul | pirast: either submit a bug with the patches you applied or talk to the maintainer |
| 16:46.00 | rahul | pirast: only the maintainer should be doing package uploads, except for extreme situatoins |
| 16:46.51 | pirast | rahul, there are no patches.. a new upstream version fixed the issue.. ;-) |
| 16:46.51 | pirast | the problem is that the maintainer did not reply to the bug report for 3 months now.. |
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| 16:46.57 | MaTTh- | pirast, wich package ? |
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| 16:47.11 | pirast | zatacka |
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| 16:47.55 | enouf | Cavey|Lab: yeah something like that .. /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 16:47.57 | rahul | pirast: you might want to discuss it with the debian QA group then |
| 16:48.05 | d0uglas | hey now.. for an amd athlon 64 x2 dual core 4200+, what might i want to install? starting fresh |
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| 16:48.07 | Cavey|Lab | Ta |
| 16:48.21 | pirast | rahul, how can I contact them ( I am fairly new to Debian) |
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| 16:48.34 | hark | !maint zatacka |
| 16:48.45 | dpkg | zatacka: Gürkan Sengün <gurkan@linuks.mine.nu> |
| 16:48.51 | belkin | my printer its getting crazy |
| 16:49.08 | rahul | pirast: http://qa.debian.org/ |
| 16:49.09 | Ronin | belkin: have it committed then |
| 16:49.10 | belkin | when i click to print a page .. the printer will never stop :) |
| 16:49.22 | belkin | it will use all available papers ;) |
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| 16:49.30 | belkin | and all come out empty |
| 16:49.31 | belkin | :) |
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| 16:49.49 | PingFloyd | a maintainer disappearing off the face of the earth? never....! |
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| 16:51.18 | rahul | hwell, eyeeeh nhevah! |
| 16:53.40 | mcquaid | thx for all the suggestions, pointed me in the right direction with this grub/xp issue |
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| 16:55.08 | humbolto | Is it possible to let "find" search in all dirs /home/*/xyz ? |
| 16:55.29 | humbolto | or grep to grep a certain file in each or these dirs? |
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| 16:55.46 | rahul | grep pattern /home/*/xyz/file |
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| 16:56.11 | pirast | rahul, echelon does not know him: https://db.debian.org/ |
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| 16:56.33 | rahul | maybe he retired |
| 16:57.02 | rahul | pirast: then definitely it's an orphaned package and the QA group is in charge of the package |
| 16:57.28 | pirast | rahul, so? |
| 16:57.34 | rahul | contact the qa group |
| 16:57.41 | rahul | see what they'd like to do about it |
| 16:57.53 | pirast | ok |
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| 17:00.08 | dkr | so I fixed my sendmail smtp authentication problems by setting up saslauthd (and changing Sendmail.conf to pwcheck_method: saslauthd). I don't know why the ol dmethod stopped working out fo the blue. But at least I have encrypted authentication working now whereas before we were using plain text login, :) |
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| 17:00.45 | pirast | rahul, thanks |
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| 17:07.16 | hardcoffee | someone iis playing guild wars? |
| 17:08.48 | Ronin | hardcoffee: im sure lots of folks are |
| 17:09.02 | Ronin | especially those that haven't kissed a girl yet ;) |
| 17:09.24 | Guerin | Ronin: so true. Or a boy. |
| 17:09.24 | rahul | does kissing a female character in the game count? |
| 17:09.35 | krazykit | this is a really sad conversation. |
| 17:09.42 | Guerin | Ronin: no, becauise they're all played by 43 year-old obese men called Neville |
| 17:09.50 | a-atwood | rahul: nope. especially if it's a girl played by a guy |
| 17:09.54 | rahul | a-atwood: doh |
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| 17:09.57 | hardcoffee | what ronin? |
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| 17:10.08 | Guerin | rahul: kinky, huh |
| 17:10.24 | Guerin | hardcoffee: that one ---> Ronin |
| 17:10.25 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:10.26 | krazykit | all i know about guild wars is that /dance can be amusing. |
| 17:10.35 | krazykit | especially on someone else's account. |
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| 17:10.53 | hardcoffee | Ronin: what's ? |
| 17:11.53 | rgsteele | Hm, anyone care to explain how this works...my brain is having trouble connecting the dots: # Example: "/pathtotools/logresolvemerge.pl *.log |" |
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| 17:12.10 | rgsteele | Seems to me that'd generate a syntax error in bash |
| 17:12.14 | extreme | hello |
| 17:12.18 | rahul | rgsteele: it works because it's a comment, and therefore it's ignored |
| 17:12.22 | Flimzy_ | I think I'm gonna set up a wiki that I can contribute Linux-related documentation to. I'd like the ability for others to submit updates/changes, but I want the ability to approve them before they are made permanent. Can anyone recommend some good wiki software for this type of thing? |
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| 17:21.10 | rgsteele | rahul: :P I think I understand now. It's piping the output to STDIN of the calling program. |
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| 17:22.16 | rahul | calling program? |
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| 17:23.53 | HymnToLife | rgsteele, you need to tel the "calling program" to read for stdin though |
| 17:24.22 | rgsteele | HymnToLife: Yeah, it actually wasn't something I wrote, I was just trying to read the code. |
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| 17:24.34 | rgsteele | HymnToLife: I had to wait for the light bulb in my brain to flicker ;) |
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| 17:24.57 | zzz | Hi! How can i check on the computer where nfs runs what directories are mount by clients? (all distros are debian). |
| 17:25.23 | io2 | the SD card slot doesn't work in my toshiba satellite M45... using kernel 2.6.18 |
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| 17:25.28 | io2 | what could be wrong? |
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| 17:28.26 | cahoot | io2: no msg in dmesg when you insert a card? |
| 17:28.44 | io2 | nope. |
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| 17:29.15 | cahoot | io2: no sign of it in lsusb either? |
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| 17:29.45 | io2 | cahoot, what would a isusb be? |
| 17:29.46 | agentbob | i know it's not deb related by can't find and djbdns help chans.. anyone know if it's possible to add ns records in form of nsX.domain.com in tinydns? |
| 17:30.01 | cahoot | io2: L not i |
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| 17:30.23 | io2 | ah |
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| 17:30.40 | io2 | i see it on lspci |
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| 17:30.45 | io2 | 05:06.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller |
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| 17:31.13 | cahoot | io2: usb-storage and sd_mod loaded? |
| 17:31.27 | marculix | zzz: showmount -e $(hostname) |
| 17:31.31 | io2 | lsusb gives me several bus devices, one identified as "sunplus technology co." |
| 17:32.13 | zzz | marculix: thanks, this is what i need :- ). |
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| 17:32.23 | cahoot | io2: is this a debian kernel or self-compiled? |
| 17:32.33 | io2 | it's the debian one |
| 17:32.47 | io2 | although i should recompile it for more power saving options :// |
| 17:32.48 | cahoot | io2: usb-storage and sd_mod loaded? |
| 17:33.01 | io2 | yeah |
| 17:33.03 | io2 | both are loaded |
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| 17:34.10 | cahoot | io2: no further questions - and no useful idea ;) |
| 17:34.24 | io2 | >< |
| 17:34.55 | io2 | when i insert a card nothing happens at all... |
| 17:34.57 | krang | Does anyone know where in the boot process does dhclient get called from? I can't seem to find /etc/ -exec grep -h "dhclient" {} ';' a relevant reference to it. |
| 17:35.04 | io2 | no dmesg message, no reactions anywhere. |
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| 17:36.47 | cydork | karsten: what are you looking for? it starts with ifup in init.d/networking |
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| 17:36.54 | cydork | bahh |
| 17:36.57 | posterdati | hi |
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| 17:37.02 | cydork | krang: &|^^ |
| 17:37.15 | posterdati | please is there anyone using amd760 chipset with agpgart and kernel 2.6.18? tx |
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| 17:38.00 | agentbob | anyone know any good free dns services they can recommend? |
| 17:38.26 | io2 | there's dyndns |
| 17:38.41 | ofer0 | agentbob, xname.org, zoneedit, depends on your needs. |
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| 17:39.41 | agentbob | have about 70 domains i'd like to have a backup dns for... gonna run djbdns locally |
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| 17:40.07 | toad_ | suggested email client? must be able to monitor a large dir full of maildir's from procmail; must have a next-box-with-mail or next-mail button? currently i use (while true; do mutt -Z || sleep 5; done) but that tends to crash and suck all my cpu |
| 17:40.28 | krang | cydork: I don't get it |
| 17:41.08 | toad_ | well it doesn't crash; when i shutdown and forget to kill it, it sucks all my cpu |
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| 17:41.43 | cydork | krang: what do you want to do? |
| 17:42.07 | jelly | toad_: report a bug for mutt? |
| 17:42.30 | toad_ | jelly: arguably it's a bug in my script |
| 17:42.32 | krang | cydork: find out where dhclient gets launched from on boot |
| 17:42.48 | toad_ | jelly: the script keeps going even though it's lost its terminal |
| 17:42.57 | toad_ | but i dunno how to fix it |
| 17:43.10 | toad_ | maybe i could check mutt's return value |
| 17:43.18 | cydork | krang: from init.d/networking |
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| 17:43.44 | ram-raid | hi |
| 17:43.59 | jelly | toad_: what is the exact thing you do when you "shutdown"? ACPI event? shutdown -r now? some sort of suspend? |
| 17:44.20 | toad_ | usually ctrl+alt+bksp :) |
| 17:44.34 | jelly | toad_: that's no shutdown, that's killing X |
| 17:44.37 | toad_ | how do i test whether the terminal has died from a script? |
| 17:44.37 | ram-raid | how many disks is debian ? |
| 17:44.47 | toad_ | jelly: or logout, yeah |
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| 17:45.02 | toad_ | ram-raid: roughly 2 dvd's |
| 17:45.08 | ram-raid | {W}hÅt Thê FµÇ{k} |
| 17:45.20 | toad_ | or is it more than that now? |
| 17:45.32 | io2 | it's depressing. |
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| 17:45.34 | toad_ | ram-raid: most ppl use the netinstaller disk |
| 17:45.37 | ram-raid | i wouldnt mind debian isnt even that good |
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| 17:45.39 | krang | cydork: nope, no call to it in there |
| 17:45.44 | jelly | toad_: well, the script should have gotten a HUP signal in that case... try running it with strace and see what happened |
| 17:45.52 | toad_ | ram-raid: there is absolutely no need to download the whole thing ahead of time |
| 17:45.58 | cydork | krang: there is ifup in that file which take cares of that. |
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| 17:46.14 | krang | cydork: not in there either |
| 17:46.18 | toad_ | jelly: would that normally kill a bash? |
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| 17:46.44 | io2 | anyone has any idea how can i get a builtin SD card slot working? (Toshiba Satellite M45 laptop) |
| 17:46.46 | krang | cydork: try it: find /etc/ -exec grep -H "dhclient" {} ';' |
| 17:46.47 | jelly | toad_: It would kill an interactive session. |
| 17:47.00 | krang | cydork: not many references to it |
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| 17:47.19 | cydork | krang: i told you read man ifup, man interfaces |
| 17:47.22 | justin | krang: wouldn't grep -r dhclient /etc/ be a little easier? |
| 17:47.33 | cahoot | io2: one last q - does it have a valid irq in lspci? |
| 17:48.00 | cydork | krang: init.d/networking has ifup which takes care of that.. |
| 17:48.26 | io2 | seems to...... |
| 17:48.58 | krang | justin: yeah, but I'm used to doing it that way, and it's easier to throw in a filename regex if you want |
| 17:48.58 | io2 | 05:06.3 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller <- that's the line it shows |
| 17:48.58 | cahoot | io2: one last q - does it have a valid irq in lspci -v |
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| 17:49.24 | jelly | toad_: this is what I'd do: run the script, run screen in another terminal, run strace -ff -o /tmp/strace.log -p PID-of-script inside screen, detach screen. Then do whatever makes your script go crazy. |
| 17:50.00 | jelly | io2: is the sdhci driver loaded? |
| 17:50.08 | io2 | it says irq 5 here.. |
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| 17:50.19 | toad_ | jelly: i think it's a problem with ssh actually ... |
| 17:50.29 | io2 | yes it is |
| 17:50.38 | toad_ | jelly: if i just run a loop on a terminal, and then kill the terminal, the loop stops |
| 17:50.52 | jelly | io2: what about mmc-block ? |
| 17:50.54 | krang | cydork: Oh, ifup does the DHCP, not dhclient on boot? that would explain it |
| 17:51.14 | io2 | no, not that one |
| 17:51.56 | jelly | io2: try loading it manually, then insert your SD or MMC, then take a look in dmesg (or kern.log) |
| 17:52.20 | io2 | just did.. nothing at dmesg |
| 17:52.26 | io2 | lemme look kern.log |
| 17:52.29 | cahoot | test another card? |
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| 17:53.46 | jelly | io2: last time in looked, sdhci only spported MMC and SD, not other types (even though eg. my reader is a 4-in-1) |
| 17:53.57 | io2 | this card is working perfectly in the other windows laptop and in my palm TX |
| 17:54.02 | CharminTheMoose | is there some ftp/http site that has old versions of debian? |
| 17:54.08 | io2 | it's an SD card. |
| 17:54.14 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: archive.debian.org |
| 17:54.42 | io2 | my reader is a 4-in-1 too |
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| 17:55.02 | CharminTheMoose | jelly: is that ftp? |
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| 17:55.40 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: it's both, take a look. |
| 17:56.53 | io2 | nothing shows on kern.log either... |
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| 17:57.58 | jelly | io2: btw, no need to look at both, they're pretty much the same thing |
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| 18:00.54 | io2 | yeah. i noticed they looked very like. |
| 18:00.58 | io2 | but just to make sure. |
| 18:01.03 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to do a chroot install of old debian releases? |
| 18:01.20 | justin | CharminTheMoose: how old? |
| 18:02.04 | CharminTheMoose | 1.3 bo? |
| 18:02.34 | justin | maybe.. you'd have to find the files first |
| 18:02.34 | CharminTheMoose | or even 2.0 |
| 18:02.42 | cydork | o.0 |
| 18:02.51 | justin | CharminTheMoose: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 18:03.26 | justin | CharminTheMoose: I think http://archive.debian.org/dists/bo/main/disks-i386/1997-10-13/base1_3.tgz is the whole system |
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| 18:04.46 | jelly | io2: I think you're in the "google up and build the latest svn/cvs module version" territory |
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| 18:05.20 | jelly | io2: start with eg: sd/mmc linux |
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| 18:07.40 | sparrw | how can i install/configure/etc everything i need to build a copy of a given package? |
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| 18:08.41 | jelly | sparrw: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:08.51 | sparrw | jelly: build openoffice.org |
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| 18:09.10 | jelly | sparrw: why? |
| 18:09.12 | solemnwarning | Is etch likely to be out this month? |
| 18:09.19 | cookiecaper | Hey guys. Sup?!?! How would you all recommend I go about imaging my drive, so I can make thousands of little baby drives that are the same? |
| 18:09.24 | norc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.24 | norc | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: diversions involved - output may be incorrect |
| 18:09.26 | norc | ^- any ideas? |
| 18:09.27 | jelly | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 18:09.30 | cookiecaper | because I see dd and partimage and some others, and I was wondering, which is better, or if any is. |
| 18:09.56 | sparrw | jelly: does it matter? |
| 18:09.58 | justin | cookiecaper: cloning machines by copying partition images is pretty lame |
| 18:10.07 | jelly | sparrw: yes. |
| 18:10.11 | justin | cookiecaper: using something like fai and cfengine is much more flexible |
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| 18:10.17 | solemnwarning | jelly: That doesn't answer my question |
| 18:10.24 | cookiecaper | justin, oh. Why? justin, oh, what are thsoe? |
| 18:10.39 | sparrw | jelly: because i have patches to test |
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| 18:10.58 | sparrw | and because the normal OOo build process sucks |
| 18:11.02 | jelly | sparrw: running testing/unstable? |
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| 18:11.38 | sparrw | experimental, mostly |
| 18:11.46 | sparrw | some incoming, some unstable |
| 18:11.54 | abrotman | recipe for disaster |
| 18:12.00 | abrotman | c |
| 18:12.05 | io2 | oh well |
| 18:12.10 | io2 | i will try it jelly |
| 18:12.13 | sparrw | abrotman: i know, if i ran stable i wouldnt need to reinstall every few years :) |
| 18:12.15 | io2 | thanks for the hint :) |
| 18:12.17 | jelly | sparrw: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:12.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:12.54 | sparrw | dpkg doesnt like me |
| 18:13.00 | jelly | sparrw: insert "messing with the source" between the two sentences of step 3) |
| 18:13.11 | sparrw | ~tell sparr about simple sid backport |
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| 18:14.01 | sparrw | ok, thanks |
| 18:14.12 | sparrw | OOo has the worst build process ive ever seen |
| 18:14.16 | sparrw | non-debian-way |
| 18:14.28 | solemnwarning | sparrw: What about java? :) |
| 18:14.36 | solemnwarning | Or flash plasyer |
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| 18:15.12 | sparrw | solemnwarning: not even close |
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| 18:15.36 | perlmonk | Mozilla mail moved to be "IceApe" and sounds like this "IceApe" has brand new bugs that Mozilla mail didn't have.... great... |
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| 18:15.54 | jelly | java or flash DON'T have a build process |
| 18:16.18 | jelly | ... visible outside of the company |
| 18:16.31 | jelly | (ok, maybe java has, now) |
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| 18:18.32 | sparrw | jelly: but i know java and OOo came from the same place, so i consider what they do and when they started... and i dont think java could be close |
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| 18:20.05 | toad_ | if i run mutt from a script, it hangs |
| 18:20.11 | toad_ | any idea? |
| 18:20.18 | justin | openoffice used to be staroffice, which sun bought from stardivision |
| 18:20.55 | jelly | toad_: ran that strace yet? |
| 18:21.00 | justin | though I don't think it had nearly as much java code in it until sun bought it |
| 18:21.06 | toad_ | jelly: i'm trying to write a better script |
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| 18:21.21 | toad_ | jelly: at the moment the problem is if i run mutt from a script, it hangs in fread() |
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| 18:21.38 | jelly | toad_: fread from what? |
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| 18:23.50 | jelly | toad_: you could use something else to check the inbox(es), and only if there's something new run the mail reader. |
| 18:24.13 | jelly | toad_: preferably like xterm -e mutt |
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| 18:25.12 | toad_ | jelly: hmmm... stdin! |
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| 18:25.32 | azi` | what's the easiest way to apt-get a package that's marked unstable, on a stable system? |
| 18:25.50 | Sebboh | I always forget to add --purge to my command line when I apt-get remove a package that I don't want. How can I purge those configuration files after I've already done a normal remove? |
| 18:25.59 | toad_ | jelly: but stdin is accessible |
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| 18:27.08 | Zvpun | When I press Pos1 at gnuplot I get "OH" insert into the prompt |
| 18:27.11 | toad_ | hmmm |
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| 18:27.59 | kupesoft | Why does my hostname = 127.0.1.1, but localhost = 127.0.0.1?? |
| 18:28.01 | Zvpun | When I start it from a real console (Alt-F1) it inserts some other random crap ~1 ... |
| 18:28.25 | Zvpun | Any idea where I can start to search for a solution? |
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| 18:30.26 | h3xis | lovely |
| 18:30.27 | blackelf | hehe |
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| 18:30.27 | blackelf | oh noes |
| 18:30.28 | blackelf | debhelper should increase the limit |
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| 18:32.21 | Sebboh | black, don't worry, when the other server rejoins, it will bring the chan modes with it. Now, let's hope that no bot on the other server sets the limit there. ;) That's why smart, old IRC channels have no bot, or one bot, but not more. |
| 18:33.32 | PingFloyd | toad_: maybe your script is bad? |
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| 18:33.48 | toad_ | PingFloyd: :| |
| 18:34.29 | kupesoft | Why does my hostname = 127.0.1.1, but localhost = 127.0.0.1? |
| 18:34.37 | PingFloyd | toad_: what kind of script? |
| 18:34.54 | Sebboh | kupe, I've seen that once before.. I just changed it back. |
| 18:35.21 | toad_ | PingFloyd: if i just write a "#!/bin/bash\nmutt\n" script then it hangs |
| 18:35.25 | Sebboh | kupe, edit /etc/hosts *shrug* |
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| 18:36.36 | PingFloyd | toad_: hmm, that doesn't look right, right there |
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| 18:36.51 | PingFloyd | toad_: I don't know much about mutt, but your bash scripts should usually start with #!/bin/bash or the like |
| 18:37.05 | toad_ | PingFloyd: yeah i know |
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| 18:37.25 | toad_ | #!/bin/bash<newline>mutt<newline> |
| 18:37.29 | kupesoft | Sebboh: What's the rational behind Debian coming out of the box like that? |
| 18:37.54 | toad_ | hmmm that does work... hmmm |
| 18:39.11 | mindframe | whats the default mount point for usb storage devices? |
| 18:39.35 | PingFloyd | the "shebang" line tells it to run the script under bash |
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| 18:40.05 | abrotman | mindframe: depends on other system items .. but usually sda or sdb |
| 18:40.12 | abrotman | mindframe: use dmesg to see |
| 18:40.34 | azi` | 45 |
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| 18:41.07 | perlmonk | Okay... iceweasel crashed on me, and Iceape is buggy.... Anyone may tell me how to get back to firefox and mozilla mail please ? non-free ? |
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| 18:41.41 | Ronin | uninstall icefoo and reinstall mozilla-firefox |
| 18:41.56 | cahoot | why would the be more stable? |
| 18:42.08 | ofer0 | the shebang line tells UNIX to take the rest of the script, put it to STDIN inside the shebang program, and provide as the first argument, the name of the file. |
| 18:42.19 | perlmonk | well, I have no idea, firefox doesn't crash on me, iceweasel does... |
| 18:42.27 | perlmonk | I'll give an other try |
| 18:42.41 | perlmonk | or might aswell move back to epiphany |
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| 18:42.45 | cahoot | I thought the icon is the only diff - wrong? |
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| 18:42.57 | perlmonk | I thought so too |
| 18:43.09 | perlmonk | talkback also certainly has been removed |
| 18:43.14 | Ronin | perlmonk: why not just uninstall them and reinstall firefox? |
| 18:43.23 | concept10 | perlmonk, the easy way is to get it from mozilla |
| 18:43.32 | perlmonk | Ronin, Where is firefox ? non-free ? |
| 18:43.33 | concept10 | but firefox sucks also |
| 18:43.40 | Ronin | concept10: not |
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| 18:43.47 | Ronin | perlmonk: its mozilla-firefox |
| 18:43.54 | PingFloyd | perlmonk: to get back, the usual way is to remove what you don't want, and install what you want, through apt-get or aptitude |
| 18:43.54 | concept10 | Ronin, not, what? |
| 18:44.10 | Ronin | concept10: suck, or its not any worse then any other software |
| 18:44.26 | perlmonk | hum, mozilla-firefox.... the thing is I never asked to move to iceweasel |
| 18:44.34 | perlmonk | I didn't even have been asked |
| 18:44.42 | PingFloyd | there's some things about firefox that sucks, but pretty much every browser has things about them that suck IMHO |
| 18:44.42 | perlmonk | which I find anormal |
| 18:44.43 | Ronin | perlmonk: ahh |
| 18:44.49 | Ronin | PingFloyd: indeed |
| 18:45.02 | concept10 | Ronin, are you kidding? Believe me, im a fan, but firefox has more problems than any other software on my box. It segfaults on all types of stuff, dailty |
| 18:45.04 | PingFloyd | there's some things that firefox does the right way though, for what I am after |
| 18:45.06 | perlmonk | I just updated firefox |
| 18:45.06 | abrotman | only thing that sucks about opera is the complete and total lack of source :) |
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| 18:45.21 | Ronin | perlmonk: that may be it then, |
| 18:45.36 | norc | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: diversions involved - output may be incorrect diversion by nvidia-glx from: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 18:45.38 | Ronin | concept10: which debian? mines rock solid |
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| 18:45.43 | norc | ^- do I have to worry about that?! |
| 18:45.45 | norc | o_O |
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| 18:46.10 | perlmonk | Well, I find anormal that debian decides for me to change the software I use, a choice should be given to me, go firefox or go iceweasel |
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| 18:46.47 | perlmonk | concept10, You certainly have flash installed then |
| 18:46.47 | PingFloyd | perlmonk: it will let you have both if you want |
| 18:46.47 | Ronin | perlmonk: not anymore, we/they had to remove firefox due to licensing iirc correctly so its been forked to iceweasel |
| 18:46.47 | concept10 | perlmonk, debian always decides :) |
| 18:46.47 | perlmonk | flash crashes ff all the time |
| 18:47.38 | concept10 | perlmonk, the newest flash (stable release) is decent, but now firefox crashes on xml feeds it doesnt like |
| 18:47.39 | Ronin | hardly ff fault though in that case |
| 18:47.45 | toad_ | PingFloyd: ssh -t :) |
| 18:48.16 | PingFloyd | toad_: huh? |
| 18:48.30 | toad_ | it was an ssh problem |
| 18:48.37 | toad_ | need to allocate a pseudo-tty |
| 18:49.08 | toad_ | "Force pseudo-tty allocation. This can be used to execute arbitrary screen-based programs on a remote machine, which can be very useful, e.g., when implementing menu services." |
| 18:49.23 | perlmonk | Well, I'm no licensing expert but all this bullshit around firefox/iceweasel really was necessary ? |
| 18:49.34 | PingFloyd | perlmonk: yes |
| 18:49.50 | perlmonk | Moz fondation proposed a way to get through... |
| 18:50.00 | PingFloyd | perlmonk: it's about not stomping on licensing on either side |
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| 18:50.01 | perlmonk | fundation * |
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| 18:50.23 | perlmonk | Well, if it only was the name and logo that would change, it's be ok... |
| 18:50.26 | rahul | perlmonk: which was to delay the release of etch |
| 18:50.27 | perlmonk | now the code... |
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| 18:50.50 | concept10 | Someone enlighten me, Why should I care about UTF-8 in my application? |
| 18:51.04 | rahul | concept10: because people might use languages other than english, or need special symbols |
| 18:51.22 | PingFloyd | perlmonk: yeah, but Debian want to be able to make it so it can install in a manner that is more with their logic |
| 18:51.29 | Ronin | concept10: so if you dont need those you dont need to care |
| 18:51.39 | concept10 | rahul, do you rely on it much? |
| 18:51.42 | PingFloyd | perlmonk: I can't blame them for wanting consistency |
| 18:51.43 | rahul | concept10: depends. |
| 18:51.54 | toad_ | i.e. if nobody will ever use your app in a non-english charset... |
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| 18:52.10 | PingFloyd | perlmonk: they're looking after their users' interest by doing so |
| 18:52.29 | concept10 | If you dont know english, you shouldnt be using a computer anyway |
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| 18:52.35 | mindframe | whats fs type for usb storage devices? |
| 18:52.45 | rahul | mindframe: whatever it was formatted with |
| 18:52.48 | abrotman | vfat usually |
| 18:52.48 | mindframe | does it depend on the device? (apple ipod) |
| 18:52.48 | belkin | is there any way to access a printer from debian to windows ? (the printeris installed in windows box) ? |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | !tell mindframe about ipod |
| 18:52.59 | abrotman | !tell mindframe about vfatrw |
| 18:52.59 | mindframe | thx |
| 18:53.03 | abrotman | !tell mindframe about usb storage |
| 18:53.04 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.08 | rahul | belkin: use cups with smbprint |
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| 18:53.51 | belkin | rahul that will only work if the printer is in linux box .. and it will enable windows users to use the linux printer isnt it ? |
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| 18:54.15 | rahul | belkin: use cups with smbprint... seriously |
| 18:54.31 | rahul | look at what smbprint does |
| 18:54.32 | belkin | aint no matter where the printer is ? |
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| 18:54.39 | perlmonk | <concept10> If you dont know english, you shouldnt be using a computer anyway <---- LOTS of stuff is translated and nowadays, you can find almost every documentation you want is any language... you're american right ? |
| 18:54.55 | belkin | i did use it when i had the printer connected to my linux box .. now i change it .. its conected to the windows box |
| 18:55.06 | concept10 | perlmonk, I was kidding on that one. |
| 18:55.09 | hark | perlmonk: you fell for it.. |
| 18:55.10 | rahul | belkin: that makes no sense |
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| 18:55.15 | mindframe | im running etch - why does apt try to remove my kernel when i ask it to install hotplug ? |
| 18:55.17 | rahul | !troll perlmonk |
| 18:55.29 | Bogus8 | I always forget this (I'll write it down this time) how do I delete/remove symlinks? |
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| 18:55.32 | Bogus8 | made with ln -s |
| 18:55.37 | belkin | rahul i does. how can i use samba to print file when the printer its on windows ?????? |
| 18:55.39 | perlmonk | troll ? |
| 18:55.40 | perlmonk | heh |
| 18:55.41 | concept10 | perlmonk, sorry about that one |
| 18:55.41 | rahul | Bogus8: um, rm... |
| 18:55.45 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: simply rm them |
| 18:55.49 | perlmonk | concept10, No worries |
| 18:55.51 | rahul | belkin: SMBPRINT |
| 18:55.55 | rahul | !penixstrike belkin |
| 18:55.55 | Bogus8 | rahul: I thought so but it's saying "can't not a directory" |
| 18:55.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking belkin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:56.03 | rahul | Bogus8: then it's not a symlink |
| 18:56.04 | belkin | rahul do you understand what im trying to tell you ? i dont want to share a linux printer with windows .i want the other way |
| 18:56.09 | Bogus8 | rahul: but it is |
| 18:56.12 | rahul | belkin: SMBPRINT |
| 18:56.17 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: sounds like you were using rmdir on it |
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| 18:56.21 | rahul | Bogus8: but it's not |
| 18:56.24 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: just rm |
| 18:56.34 | perlmonk | I just try to have _some_ american people (I like americans and have a lot of american friends) understand that the world doesn't go around USA :) |
| 18:56.38 | rahul | Bogus8: ls -ld thing |
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| 18:56.45 | Bogus8 | rahul: I'm looking at the ls -l and I created it so I know it was done with "ln -s" |
| 18:56.52 | perlmonk | Just some don't get it, hehe |
| 18:57.14 | Bogus8 | rahul: doesn't show it as a directory.. but an ls -l shows it as the link |
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| 18:57.33 | perlmonk | Well, that's fine, thanks :) |
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| 18:57.38 | rahul | Bogus8: then rm will delete it |
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| 18:57.45 | Bogus8 | rahul: but it's not :( |
| 18:57.50 | rahul | ... |
| 18:57.55 | rahul | !confuse rahul |
| 18:57.55 | dpkg | Yes, what is my gouda yesterday, rahul? shirts of the republic of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 18:57.56 | concept10 | The world does revolve around the USA |
| 18:58.02 | Bogus8 | rahul: rm: cannot remove `Video-Movies/': Not a directory |
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| 18:58.19 | Bogus8 | Ah, I'm tagging on the trailing / I always do that |
| 18:58.19 | Bogus8 | ! |
| 18:58.36 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: hello Mcfly! |
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| 18:58.42 | rahul | df: cannot format c: not a network |
| 18:58.47 | junocake | what's the best way to fix a package that fails an install? For example udev attempts to install but then fails with an exit status 2 on post-installation. Is there anywhere I can find out why it failed? |
| 18:58.50 | PingFloyd | haha |
| 18:58.53 | Bogus8 | for future reference if I or someone else does this... remember you can't have a trailing / when rm'ing it |
| 18:59.04 | enouf | take away the trailing / Bogus8 |
| 18:59.10 | Bogus8 | enouf: got it now |
| 18:59.12 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: that's because the shell is expecting a dir when you do that |
| 18:59.21 | Bogus8 | soon as I realized it (from reading it in my paste) |
| 18:59.26 | rahul | junocake: set -e at the top of the script that failed to see what it's doing |
| 18:59.33 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: yeah, I've done this like 5 times now :( |
| 18:59.37 | rahul | junocake: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.<script> |
| 18:59.44 | junocake | rhaul, thanks, I'll give it a go |
| 18:59.46 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: maybe the 6th time will be a charm :) |
| 18:59.47 | Bogus8 | I just get spoiled w/ tab-completion ;) |
| 18:59.47 | rahul | junocake: then dpkg --configure <package> |
| 18:59.59 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: I freakin hope so! |
| 19:00.01 | rahul | Bogus8: zsh strips the trailing / if you don't use it |
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| 19:00.13 | rahul | Bogus8: zsh spoils you further :) |
| 19:00.35 | Bogus8 | rahul: I like the trailing / usually.. only during removal of symlinks does it bite me in the ass |
| 19:00.37 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: in general though, it's good to get into a habit of doing a double-take of the command line you wrote when it involved 'rm' somewhere in it |
| 19:00.56 | rahul | friends don't let friends rm drunk |
| 19:01.14 | PingFloyd | rm, cp, and mv |
| 19:01.32 | rahul | friends don't let friends have botsex drunk |
| 19:02.08 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: I agree... Just when it happend I imediatly went "Man, this always happens, what was it that I did last time" |
| 19:02.08 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: there are alot worse ways to be bit in the ass with those commands, especially when done as root :) |
| 19:02.38 | Bogus8 | word |
| 19:03.00 | Bogus8 | I try to remember to only use my -rf at the end and double check the path before |
| 19:03.27 | rahul | heh, gnuisms |
| 19:03.56 | belkin | how do i get ghostscript installed ? |
| 19:04.02 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: especially check that there isn't extra or missing "/"s |
| 19:04.09 | rahul | belkin: gs(-whatever) package |
| 19:04.26 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: I hope this will be the last time that happens |
| 19:04.53 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: I've had some close calls, where I didn't catch a catasrophic one until after I double-checked |
| 19:05.17 | junocake | rahul, the -e was already there in all the udev.* scripts, but dpkg --configure udev still gives an error without any explanation |
| 19:05.22 | PingFloyd | luckily I double-check before hitting enter in those cases, which can be sort of habit |
| 19:05.45 | Bogus8 | ok, so now... how do I make a symlink so that a nother computer can mount the directory below it and follow it? |
| 19:06.05 | Bogus8 | I thought I just needed to do relative vs absolute but then I see that that isn't good enough either |
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| 19:06.15 | rahul | junocake: but you know what command is causing it? |
| 19:06.16 | rahul | OH |
| 19:06.23 | rahul | junocake: I think one of the scripts is not set +x |
| 19:06.27 | junocake | rahul, is there a way to remove the udev package then install it from scratch? Or would that break that system? |
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| 19:06.36 | rahul | junocake: chmod +x the scrip that's -x |
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| 19:08.17 | junocake | rahul, all udev.* scripts are set to x |
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| 19:08.40 | junocake | rahul, and the only message I get is: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 |
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| 19:08.58 | junocake | rahul, then the "errors were encounted while processing: udev" |
| 19:09.11 | junocake | I checked the bug reports but I didn't see anything related to this |
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| 19:09.43 | PingFloyd | junocake: maybe look at the script and see if you can make out what condition causes it to exit with status 2 |
| 19:10.21 | junocake | PingFloyd, yeah, that's what I'm checking out now, thanks |
| 19:10.23 | PingFloyd | junocake: might give some clues to what the problem may be |
| 19:10.47 | junocake | does dpkg keep any logs to maybe show more verbose info? |
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| 19:10.51 | enouf | junocake: make sure hotplug is purged |
| 19:11.03 | PingFloyd | that's the nice thing about when things are scripted |
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| 19:11.16 | enouf | junocake: if necessary, add an exit 0 to the top of the postinst script |
| 19:12.20 | enouf | junocake: but best to resolve hotplug issues correctly ,, dpkg -l hotplug udev hal will show you status of each |
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| 19:12.54 | junocake | enouf, thanks, dpkg -l is show only udev installed |
| 19:13.06 | enouf | junocake: it say ii ? |
| 19:13.14 | junocake | enouf, it says un |
| 19:13.23 | junocake | udev is showing iF |
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| 19:13.37 | enouf | ahh .. can you apt-get update && apt-get install udev |
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| 19:14.09 | enouf | wait hotplug says un and udev says iF ? |
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| 19:14.22 | junocake | enouf, yeah |
| 19:14.36 | junocake | enouf, I don't know if it matters but it's a testing install running on a SPARC machine |
| 19:14.48 | belkin | how come there is no smbprint in /usr/bin ? Samba is installed |
| 19:15.04 | Sebboh | You know, I started on Slack, and moved to debian a couple of months later, and I've been there for the past six years. ... Now I've got a client who runs RHEL. Oh, my god.. I had no idea how lucky I was. :/ |
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| 19:15.13 | Sebboh | Does uname -a show 32 vs 64? |
| 19:15.44 | enouf | junocake: so hotplug is not the issue , and udev has a failed config .. maybe aptitude can sort it for ya (dependencies) |
| 19:15.55 | junocake | enouf, cool, I'll give it a shot |
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| 19:16.19 | enouf | junocake: dunno if sparc has anything to do weith it .. but check the errata on the installer page |
| 19:16.57 | enouf | junocake: 32 v 64 may have something to do with it .. as Sebboh asked |
| 19:17.09 | Sebboh | what? |
| 19:17.14 | enouf | who? |
| 19:17.23 | Sebboh | I'm not involved in that conversation. |
| 19:17.26 | Sebboh | I'm sorry. |
| 19:17.28 | justin | Sebboh: could be worse, he could have solaris :) |
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| 19:17.30 | enouf | Sebboh: my bad |
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| 19:17.44 | Sebboh | justin, no, I've used solaris. It's a unix. |
| 19:17.51 | Sebboh | It's fine. |
| 19:17.53 | junocake | enouf, it's a 64bit install (well at much 64bit at the debian port can do) with a 64bit kernel |
| 19:18.06 | enouf | junocake: right .. I see |
| 19:18.23 | PingFloyd | something being unix[tm] is meaningless IMHO |
| 19:18.42 | junocake | I had to custom build the kernel cause of the weird Fibre HD Controller, it's currently 2.6.17 |
| 19:18.54 | enouf | but XPoop[TM] pulls me in millions :-P |
| 19:18.58 | PingFloyd | I mean what does that mean beside having jump through some hoops? Is it like trading in one dictator for another? |
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| 19:19.13 | asulao | hello. is it possible to run a program in linux that is not in a physical disk file? (for example, from a user memory location, or a variable in bash or something) |
| 19:19.49 | justin | asulao: why? |
| 19:20.05 | overnout | shared memory perhaps ? |
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| 19:20.42 | asulao | if a system gets hijacked, stop hackers from getting that program. for example. |
| 19:20.58 | Sebboh | Pink, it means that I can get the job done on a Solaris machine although I've never been trained to use one. ...I mean, booting off a CD, etc, details like that vary. =P |
| 19:21.04 | asulao | or to have a program in an ftp, have it executed without having to cfreate a local file copy |
| 19:21.12 | overnout | asulao: you can make a tmpfs filesystem |
| 19:21.29 | asulao | but that would be accesible locally ? |
| 19:21.36 | asulao | using standard shell commands? |
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| 19:22.05 | enouf | junocake: ahh .. you used make-kpkg? didn't build using initrd or yaird .. right? used iniramfs-tools, yes? not that I'm any auth on it |
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| 19:22.20 | belkin | rahul what would be the url for the printer ,, any idea >? |
| 19:22.34 | PingFloyd | Sebboh: but doesn't it have the usual commercial type licensing mumbo jumbo attached to it? (Like "we reserve the right to sodomize you the user") |
| 19:22.39 | rahul | belkin: URL? there are no URLs in SMB. |
| 19:22.44 | xDebiannewb | Hi my Debian (Testing, + XFCE) isnt palying and Sounds! |
| 19:22.45 | rahul | belkin: //server/printer |
| 19:22.49 | belkin | rahul cups is saking me |
| 19:23.00 | belkin | http://localhost:631/admin |
| 19:23.05 | enouf | localhost:600 or something? |
| 19:23.05 | justin | the url is smb://server/printer |
| 19:23.08 | rahul | oh, I don't know cups |
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| 19:23.14 | rahul | I just know people say to use it :P |
| 19:23.30 | belkin | justin printer will be the name of the printer ? whole name ? |
| 19:23.37 | rahul | if I want to print something, I send it to kinkos via their form on the web :P |
| 19:23.40 | justin | belkin: run smbclient -L server |
| 19:23.41 | junocake | enouf, yeah, I had to build a new initrd package for it, it was pretty crazy to get it all working |
| 19:23.52 | dkr | using gnome desktop.. admin.. printers gui tool to add printer didn't work. using applications .. system..printer foomatic-gui to add printer didn't work. using http://localhost:631 to add printer via cups interfaces directly worked. perhaps we should link that from the default menu, :) |
| 19:24.11 | enouf | junocake: just trying to see if you did everything the debian way :-) |
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| 19:24.22 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:24.23 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:24.26 | junocake | enouf, yup, helps out later when looking for help, haha |
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| 19:24.37 | junocake | enouf, aptitude did the same thing |
| 19:24.41 | xDebiannewb | Sorry, imy IRC Cleint dicsocnnected |
| 19:24.41 | enouf | indeed junocake |
| 19:24.52 | asulao | overnout: tmpfs is like a normal mount, as I'm reading, except data is on swap, so a compromised root can get access to that fs. |
| 19:25.06 | xDebiannewb | I (Etch testing, + XFCE) cant hear any Sounds? |
| 19:25.08 | overnout | right |
| 19:25.20 | rahul | a compromised root can get access to anything. |
| 19:25.23 | enouf | junocake: hrm .. last ditch is the exit 0 trick .. but try to resolve somehow .. BTS, mailing lists etc |
| 19:25.27 | asulao | overnout: any other ideas? :) |
| 19:25.28 | junocake | enouf, oops, aptitude removed apache2 and failed on apache2.2..... yay |
| 19:25.30 | abrotman | are you in the audio group ? |
| 19:25.32 | junocake | enouf, will do |
| 19:25.37 | enouf | junocake: hehe |
| 19:25.39 | PingFloyd | asulao: just face it, if root is compromised, you're screwed |
| 19:25.43 | jelly-home | asulao: uh, root can get access to ANY fs? |
| 19:25.46 | asulao | rahul: even running programs in memory? |
| 19:25.47 | asulao | xD |
| 19:25.47 | xDebiannewb | audio group? |
| 19:25.49 | asulao | OKAY! |
| 19:25.54 | asulao | :-) |
| 19:26.01 | asulao | just trying to make it harder for them |
| 19:26.03 | PingFloyd | asulao: isn't programs running in memory kind of a moot point at that point? |
| 19:26.04 | rahul | asulao: of course |
| 19:26.06 | enouf | junocake: I know apt-get has the -s for simulation option |
| 19:26.33 | asulao | PingFloyd but I don't know of any shell command that says... copy the program running X to my ftp |
| 19:26.42 | overnout | asulao: you mean something like write a programma directly to memory and execute ? |
| 19:26.46 | overnout | is |
| 19:26.47 | asulao | yes |
| 19:26.50 | junocake | enouf, whew, got apache back at least |
| 19:26.59 | overnout | hi dont htink so |
| 19:27.18 | enouf | asulao: try selinux, enable it then |
| 19:27.21 | belkin | justin failed |
| 19:27.22 | overnout | that would be a security hole |
| 19:27.28 | enouf | asulao: The NSA will thabnk you |
| 19:27.31 | xDebiannewb | I (Etch testing, + XFCE) cant hear any Sounds? |
| 19:27.37 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:27.37 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:27.42 | rahul | root can do ANYTHING |
| 19:27.45 | asulao | I use that too. |
| 19:27.46 | rahul | that's the point |
| 19:28.02 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 19:28.03 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 19:28.05 | overnout | yes agree :D |
| 19:28.13 | overnout | root is god |
| 19:28.18 | PingFloyd | asulao: if someone has gained root access to your system, everything else is a moot point |
| 19:28.19 | rahul | indeed |
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| 19:28.57 | PingFloyd | your system is as secure as Windows at that point :) |
| 19:28.57 | asulao | okay, how would you do to say get a copy of a running program that has been deleted upon execution? |
| 19:29.22 | clever | once they have root they effectively own the box |
| 19:29.27 | asulao | not easy is it? |
| 19:29.35 | asulao | clever: please answer then to that question |
| 19:29.36 | overnout | but you cant just put something in memory as a normal user and let root execute it ..except you have a buffer overflo or something similar |
| 19:29.40 | belkin | i can see Printer Printer hp photosmart 1115 series listed in smbclient -L //servername |
| 19:29.43 | clever | if the root on my box is taken over |
| 19:29.47 | belkin | how do i use it now ? |
| 19:29.50 | clever | i can pull the network cableand repair it with a livecd |
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| 19:30.27 | abrotman | smbprint |
| 19:30.37 | clever | asulao: if the program unlinks itself after starting |
| 19:30.44 | clever | a debuger may be able to view its code |
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| 19:31.01 | asulao | clever: need to protect a program, least compromised at least. |
| 19:31.12 | clever | but i dont know of any debuger made to attack and extract the code from the ram |
| 19:31.22 | jelly-home | asulao: dude, /proc/<pid>/exe |
| 19:31.38 | Bogus8 | What is the proper way to create a symlink so that when viewed on a remote machine (mounted NFS) it follows it properly? |
| 19:31.43 | clever | jelly-home: i beleive thats a symlink to the programs code |
| 19:31.50 | rahul | asulao: /dev/core |
| 19:32.01 | clever | and if the original name is gone the symlink is bad |
| 19:32.05 | rahul | rather /dev/mem |
| 19:32.11 | clever | also if the program spawns a thread and kills the main thread |
| 19:32.17 | asulao | jello: to the relocated program in memory? |
| 19:32.22 | clever | the /proc/pid/exe is dead |
| 19:32.27 | rahul | clever: not at all |
| 19:32.30 | jelly-home | clever: I believe you should try: cp /bin/sleep /tmp; /tmp/sleep 3600 &; rm /tmp/sleep; cat /proc/`pgrep sleep|tail -1`/exe |
| 19:32.33 | rahul | it's still loaded |
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| 19:32.39 | rahul | parse the map and you'll know where it is |
| 19:32.53 | rahul | if they have root, you're _screwed_ |
| 19:33.01 | nweaver916 | I'm having problems with a new supermicro server's onboard NIC |
| 19:33.02 | abrotman | come on .. it was funny! |
| 19:33.03 | jelly-home | asulao: try it. Security is NOTHING if you're doing theory only. |
| 19:33.07 | justin | abrotman: tac |
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| 19:33.23 | abrotman | justin: i know .. i remembered after i looked at the output of 'rev' :) |
| 19:33.38 | jelly-home | asulao: also jello != jelly, that other guy is not me |
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| 19:33.48 | asulao | I know MISTAKE |
| 19:33.51 | asulao | mistake |
| 19:33.53 | nweaver916 | In windows, it shows up as an Intel Pro 1000 PM |
| 19:34.01 | abrotman | e1000 module doesn't work ? |
| 19:34.08 | nweaver916 | I can modprobe e1000, but it doesn't work |
| 19:34.27 | jelly-home | nweaver916: which kernel? |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | nweaver916: in etch ? |
| 19:34.37 | junocake | nweaver916, did you try noapic as a kernel option? |
| 19:35.42 | nweaver916 | I am running deb stable |
| 19:35.42 | nweaver916 | kernel.... |
| 19:35.43 | clever | lrwxrwxrwx 1 clever clever 0 2007-01-25 15:34 /proc/28873/exe -> /tmp/sleep (deleted) |
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| 19:35.43 | nweaver916 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.44 | clever | hexdump is able to read it somehow |
| 19:35.44 | jelly-home | clever: of course... it's trivial. |
| 19:35.46 | clever | but if your on another username |
| 19:35.53 | clever | do you have the perms to access that? |
| 19:36.18 | nweaver916 | from a fresh boot, lsmod | grep e1000 shows nothing |
| 19:36.22 | jelly-home | clever: meaning whoever thinks that's a good security measure doesn't really know his stuff |
| 19:36.26 | nweaver916 | so I modprobe e1000 |
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| 19:36.47 | nweaver916 | now I get e1000 87204 0 |
| 19:36.48 | clever | ls: /proc/28873/exe: Permission denied |
| 19:37.01 | clever | aslong as im not under the programs uid and im not root |
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| 19:37.09 | clever | i dont think i can access its code after it unlinks itself |
| 19:37.12 | jelly-home | clever: if you're some other user then one doesn't even need to delete it. |
| 19:37.27 | clever | yeah |
| 19:37.29 | earthian | hello, can somebody help me and paste here a link to the ati radeon card driver version 8.33.6 for linux x86 (32bit) ... seem that ati's ssl pages and my freshly installed lynx does not talk today :( |
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| 19:37.33 | FernandoMM | Hello, how can i lock my users on their home? Especially those connecting with ssh. |
| 19:37.36 | clever | what was the point of it self deleting again?:P |
| 19:37.38 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.55 | jelly-home | clever: exactly my point :-) |
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| 19:38.18 | nweaver916 | I can do that, but loading it doesn't matter as much as getting it working at this point :D |
| 19:38.32 | nweaver916 | lspci shows |
| 19:38.36 | nweaver916 | 0000:06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 108c (rev 03) |
| 19:38.36 | nweaver916 | 0000:07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 108c (rev 03) |
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| 19:39.02 | enouf | FernandoMM: see debian-administration.org and also google for chroot jail |
| 19:39.17 | FernandoMM | enouf: thank you! |
| 19:39.18 | enouf | FernandoMM: also see UML .. for that |
| 19:39.29 | enouf | FernandoMM: Usermode Linux |
| 19:40.14 | jelly-home | and maybe vserver too |
| 19:40.33 | jelly-home | uml is a bit heavy |
| 19:41.30 | nweaver916 | any ideas on my ethernet controller? |
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| 19:41.58 | justin | nweaver916: what does dmesg say after you load the module? |
| 19:42.19 | nweaver916 | e1000: Ignoring new-style parameters in presence of obsolete ones |
| 19:42.19 | nweaver916 | Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 5.2.52-k4 |
| 19:42.19 | nweaver916 | Copyright (c) 1999-2004 Intel Corporation. |
| 19:43.17 | justin | nweaver916: can you try a backported newer kernel? |
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| 19:44.50 | asulao | jelly-home: is it not possible to erase /proc/pid/exe, make it null or something? it does actually contain the binary original exe, even if erased. |
| 19:44.54 | nweaver916 | does a backported newer kernel mean futzing with apt sources and stuff? I don't see a newer module in apt-cache search |
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| 19:45.19 | Dee- | Hello. |
| 19:45.23 | nweaver916 | well, I see 2.6.8-12, but not for 386 or 486 |
| 19:45.25 | Dee- | What is the name of the Debian legal channel? |
| 19:45.32 | nweaver916 | just amd64 and em64t |
| 19:45.58 | justin | nweaver916: yeah, backports.org |
| 19:46.09 | nweaver916 | thanks, brb |
| 19:46.21 | justin | I have tons of e1000 cards that work fine under sarge, yours must be too new |
| 19:46.27 | justin | er, to :) |
| 19:46.30 | nweaver916 | it's very new |
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| 19:47.48 | brendan_ | is it possible to get apt-get to resolve and download dependancies for a local .deb package? |
| 19:48.46 | justin | brendan_: sort of. there are other programs that do a better job of that |
| 19:48.46 | asulao | thanks for the help. bye. |
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| 19:49.53 | nweaver916 | getting errors when running apt-get update after adding backports |
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| 19:50.21 | nweaver916 | I added (from their page) "deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main" |
| 19:50.25 | justin | nweaver916: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ? |
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| 19:52.46 | nweaver916 | doh...been playing with iptables, that was the problem |
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| 19:53.03 | junocake | enouf, the exit 0 at the top of the script finished the package install, and thankfully it didn't break anything on reboot |
| 19:53.26 | junocake | enouf, so it might have been a bug |
| 19:53.45 | nitro4ce | hi. i installed kde (apt-get install kde) but some applications still doesnt look properly. the menus arent like the chosen theme. what packages am i missing? |
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| 19:54.58 | Dee- | I was refunded for an amount that the merchant said would take 10-12 days to appear in my account. |
| 19:55.05 | Dee- | But my credit card is expiring before then. |
| 19:55.10 | Dee- | What will happen? |
| 19:55.26 | justin | ask your credit card people? |
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| 19:55.50 | rahul | Dee-: it makes no difference |
| 19:55.55 | rahul | expiration date is meaningless. |
| 19:55.59 | Dee- | rahul, How so? |
| 19:56.04 | rahul | just so |
| 19:56.12 | Dee- | I will receive the refund no problem? |
| 19:56.14 | rahul | yes |
| 19:56.26 | nweaver916 | the account does not expire on that date, only that physical card |
| 19:56.33 | PingFloyd | Dee-: ask your credit card company |
| 19:56.35 | Dee- | But it will not appear on my statement because my last statement for the card will be before then, right? |
| 19:57.12 | FernandoMM | Hello, how can i show a message to all users who login using ssh? |
| 19:57.22 | rahul | Dee-: "last"? |
| 19:57.34 | rahul | Dee-: are you _cancelling_ the account? |
| 19:57.40 | Dee- | Yes, rahul. |
| 19:57.41 | Dee- | I am. |
| 19:57.48 | cusco | FernandoMM: edit /etc/motd |
| 19:57.52 | rahul | then you need to call the CC company |
| 19:58.09 | rahul | see what they suggest |
| 19:58.20 | Dee- | rahul, You think I might not receive my refund as it stands? |
| 19:58.30 | Ronin | and it may still show up as a charge on the bill, then the next bill it shows as refunded |
| 19:58.31 | rahul | Dee-: call the CC company. |
| 19:58.31 | PingFloyd | Dee-: one way to know for sure |
| 19:58.37 | FernandoMM | rahul: thank you |
| 19:58.41 | FernandoMM | ops |
| 19:58.41 | Dee- | OK, I will call. |
| 19:58.45 | FernandoMM | cusco: thank you |
| 19:58.49 | Ronin | or debian legal |
| 19:59.01 | Dee- | Ronin, It is related to a legal issue. |
| 19:59.21 | cusco | no prob |
| 19:59.33 | Ronin | but not debian or what debian legal would be concerned about Dee-, just playing devils advocate |
| 19:59.41 | Dee- | Yep, I have been using Debian since the Potato days. |
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| 19:59.56 | rahul | does you credit card use debian? |
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| 20:00.11 | Ronin | or did you buy debian from debian.org? |
| 20:00.21 | Dee- | rahul, Part of the beauty of Debian is the free community, as we have here. |
| 20:00.25 | rahul | god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 20:00.32 | rahul | need to open it up and clean it out |
| 20:00.39 | PingFloyd | Dee-: but none of us are lawyers |
| 20:00.44 | Dee- | What concerns one Debian user concerns all the other Debian users. That sense of community is important to me. |
| 20:00.52 | rahul | ... |
| 20:01.03 | abrotman | !qotd181 is <reply><rahul> god, this keyboard is getting icky |
| 20:01.03 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 20:01.05 | rahul | heh |
| 20:01.10 | Ronin | Dee-: honestly your cc problems dont concern folks, just as mine shouldn't |
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| 20:02.32 | enouf | junocake: good to hear .. please notify BTS/lists/maint though? help get it fixed just by letting ppl know perhaps .. |
| 20:02.42 | brendan_ | justin, what programs can i use? |
| 20:03.04 | junocake | enouf, will do |
| 20:03.05 | Dee- | Actually, I had thought that Verotel would be responsible for my security against this malicious party in the event that I feel threatened (as I do). Therefore, I had presumed their legal team would fight for me. |
| 20:03.20 | abrotman | tardbot ? |
| 20:03.24 | enouf | FernandoMM: there's also Wall which can send a lessage to all users at once(when you need to, if ever) .. man wall |
| 20:03.25 | nweaver916 | hmm...installed 2.6.15 from backports, now grub appears to be dead |
| 20:03.38 | abrotman | did you go from 2.4 to 2.6 ? |
| 20:03.41 | nweaver916 | no |
| 20:03.45 | enouf | er s/lessage/message |
| 20:03.47 | nweaver916 | 2.6.8 |
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| 20:04.09 | enouf | junocake: thank you :-) |
| 20:04.10 | Ronin | Dee-: ok im really slow today but i still dont see a debian problem , yes abrotman i meant slower then normal, Dee- call the CC and cancel the purchase |
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| 20:04.19 | Dee- | Verotel did not handle my personal information in the "discreet" manner suggested on its website. |
| 20:04.31 | Dee- | Any problems resulting from this are not mine but Verotel's. |
| 20:04.31 | justin | brendan_: http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/gdebi |
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| 20:04.42 | abrotman | nweaver916: is this a server or workstation ? |
| 20:04.54 | nweaver916 | server |
| 20:05.04 | abrotman | !tell nweaver916 about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 20:05.09 | nweaver916 | fairly new supermicro |
| 20:05.10 | Dee- | Ronin, Cancel the purchase? The merchant said I was being refunded, but that it would take 10-12 days for the refund to appear in my account. |
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| 20:05.47 | Ronin | Dee-: so whats the problem then |
| 20:06.06 | nweaver916 | thanks abrotman...except I can't boot my box now :D |
| 20:06.06 | Dee- | Ronin, My card is expiring on the 31st and I am not renewing it. |
| 20:06.17 | dondelelcaro | Dee-: if you have problems with your credit card the right people to talk to is the credit card company, not us. |
| 20:06.33 | Ronin | thank you dondelelcaro, thats what i was trying to get across |
| 20:06.36 | abrotman | nweaver916: it's an install image with a newer kernel |
| 20:06.40 | justin | dondelelcaro: well, if he gave us the credit card number and expiration date, we might be able to help |
| 20:06.46 | Ronin | justin: heh |
| 20:06.53 | abrotman | quick .. max it out! |
| 20:06.56 | dondelelcaro | justin: the CSV number and billing address would be useful too |
| 20:06.59 | Ronin | we need the code off the back of the card as well though |
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| 20:07.18 | Dee- | I had presumed Verotel was an excellent company and all was well |
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| 20:07.28 | Dee- | Until I received the nasty letter from the site administrator this morning. |
| 20:07.45 | Dee- | NOW Verotel is stalling in response to me. |
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| 20:08.16 | extreme | heyy |
| 20:08.18 | extreme | hello |
| 20:08.34 | extreme | is there anyone here |
| 20:08.37 | rahul | Dee-: and what are we supposed to do? |
| 20:08.37 | Ronin | extreme: nope |
| 20:08.40 | iter | haha |
| 20:08.50 | rahul | Dee-: go to their office and bust some heads? |
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| 20:08.56 | kb3ien | having a problem setting up nat. I have one iptables rule, do more. iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:09.25 | extreme | what are yo saying |
| 20:09.26 | kb3ien | eth0 has my default route all other eth do not. |
| 20:09.32 | clever | sudo modprobe netconsole |
| 20:09.32 | clever | Warning: ignoring netconsole=12345@192.168.1.52/eth0,12345@192.168.1.102/00:0f:66:a8:fd:83, no such parameter in this module |
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| 20:09.48 | Dee- | Thanks, folks, for any assistance. |
| 20:09.49 | clever | did i make a typo or is the netconsole module im using way too old? |
| 20:10.00 | deb_noob | does anyone know how to force a dpi in kde debian etch? the setting in kcontrol didn't work. |
| 20:10.00 | Dee- | Perhaps Digg would be a good place to post a preliminary report. |
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| 20:10.08 | Dee- | But I will wait for a response from Verotel. |
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| 20:10.50 | Dee- | If I should have to sue Verotel and the malicious other party, will Verotel cover my expenses if I am successful? |
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| 20:11.00 | Ronin | Dee-: how the heck should we know? |
| 20:11.03 | kb3ien | all my policies are ALLOW |
| 20:11.14 | Dee- | There is no way I should have to pay to achieve justice. |
| 20:11.28 | PingFloyd | we're not attorneys, we're just computer geeks |
| 20:11.47 | Ronin | Dee-: go get a lawyer then, a real one not a debian legalteam member or us |
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| 20:12.04 | Dee- | I am actually not well versed in dealing with lawyers. |
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| 20:12.24 | PingFloyd | Dee-: they're all blood suckers. That's all you need to know about them. |
| 20:12.29 | Dee- | The idea can be a bit intimidating. |
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| 20:13.15 | Dee- | I would like to have an initial consult with a lawyer in a medium such as this. |
| 20:13.23 | Dee- | It is much more comfortable. |
| 20:13.35 | kb3ien | no iptables gurus? |
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| 20:15.12 | jelly-home | kb3ien: #iptables is --> that way |
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| 20:15.50 | Dee- | I suppose a lawyer would be eager to suckle as much money out of Verotel as possible. |
| 20:16.10 | krang | Hey all, just trying to install zabbix, and it claims that I need the "MySQL Headers and libraries >=3.22" What would the package name for that be? |
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| 20:16.23 | g333k_work | how do I kick a user? |
| 20:16.28 | g333k_work | from the system? |
| 20:16.32 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: with slay |
| 20:16.37 | Dee- | Well, thanks for your time and talk, folks. |
| 20:16.42 | dondelelcaro | (or you can do it manually with pkill) |
| 20:16.48 | Dee- | I really hate injustice. |
| 20:16.53 | Dee- | It makes my blood boil. |
| 20:17.01 | g333k_work | the w command tells me that it is connected but it is really not |
| 20:17.04 | jelly-home | Dee-: dude, but what does this have to do with Debian support? |
| 20:17.04 | Dee- | The just state shall be upheld. |
| 20:17.45 | Dee- | jelly-home, My blood is boiling. Verotel has compromised my life. |
| 20:17.46 | PingFloyd | no such thing as a just state |
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| 20:17.58 | jelly-home | Dee-: I repeat my inquiry. |
| 20:18.01 | Dee- | jelly-home, As a long-time Debian user, I appreciate the community of support I have here. |
| 20:18.26 | krang | Aw, cmon, *someone* must know the package name I need? |
| 20:19.02 | jelly-home | krang: probably some -dev package |
| 20:19.17 | dkr | aptitude install zabbix-server-mysql |
| 20:19.24 | g333k_work | how do I kick a user that it logged to the system? |
| 20:19.33 | Ronin | g333k_work: didnt dondelelcaro tell you all ready? |
| 20:19.47 | krang | jelly-home: Yeah, I got that far :-) |
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| 20:19.53 | g333k_work | Ronin, oohh, I'm sorry I just read |
| 20:20.08 | Ronin | :) |
| 20:20.10 | valdyn | g333k_work: kill all processes of that user |
| 20:20.15 | jelly-home | krang: there are zabbix packages in testing and unstable btw |
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| 20:20.30 | Dee- | If there is not a pot of money to be made here, I will have a difficult time with a lawyer. Because I am not wealthy. |
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| 20:20.56 | krang | jelly-home, dkr: yeah, not sure how much I trust them, so I thought I'd build from source |
| 20:21.22 | PingFloyd | Dee-: use small claims court, no lawyers needed there |
| 20:21.22 | krang | jelly-home, dkr: I sort of prefer stable :-) |
| 20:21.35 | jelly-home | s |
| 20:21.39 | dkr | krang: well, at he least you could look at the package to see what other packages it depends on |
| 20:21.57 | jelly-home | krang: you could try making a backport |
| 20:21.59 | krang | dkr: um, silly question, but how do you do that? |
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| 20:22.31 | jelly-home | !tell krang -about simple sid backport |
| 20:22.39 | dkr | krang: I use aptitude for that below the package description there is a section for depends, recommends, etc. |
| 20:23.00 | g333k_work | Hi, the user is now not connected to the system but I cant delete it, "userdel: user ws002 is currently logged in" why no? |
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| 20:23.33 | fraco | hi, I'm using testing, how can i tell apt-get to grab a linux-image from unstable? |
| 20:23.36 | valdyn | g333k_work: are processes belonging to that user running? |
| 20:23.40 | krang | dkr: Oh yeah. Cheers, I'll give that a shot. |
| 20:24.29 | g333k_work | valdyn, noup |
| 20:24.40 | valdyn | g333k_work: what's 'w' showing for that user? |
| 20:24.51 | g333k_work | valdyn, ps aux tells me that not, and the w command either |
| 20:25.32 | g333k_work | ws002 appears to be disconnected but I cannot delete it |
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| 20:26.08 | g333k_work | valdyn, w tells me that: 15:25:40 up 2 days, 11 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.08 |
| 20:26.08 | g333k_work | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
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| 20:26.12 | valdyn | g333k_work: try deluser |
| 20:26.24 | g333k_work | valdyn, I did |
| 20:26.36 | g333k_work | valdyn, doent work |
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| 20:26.54 | valdyn | g333k_work: remove it manually from /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow and /etc/groups |
| 20:26.56 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: w sometimes lies, because it's reading from wtmp, which is sometimes wrong. |
| 20:27.03 | agentbob | wasn't there an apt-get deinstall option before? |
| 20:27.11 | dondelelcaro | agentbob: it's called remove |
| 20:27.22 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: deleting the user like that won't do anything to fix wtmp. |
| 20:27.29 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: right |
| 20:27.30 | agentbob | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 20:27.49 | valdyn | dondelelcaro: however that user has no process running and wtmp isnt showing that user, seems right |
| 20:27.49 | dondelelcaro | g333k_work: what tty/pty were they on? Has the getty or ssh or whatever that controlled that pty restarted? |
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| 20:29.06 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, the user logged remotely to the server a X windows session |
| 20:29.28 | dondelelcaro | that makes no sense. |
| 20:29.33 | g333k_work | dondelelcaro, then I turn off the ws002 PC, and tried to delete it |
| 20:29.37 | dondelelcaro | they have to have been using a pty. |
| 20:29.44 | dondelelcaro | (or a tty) |
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| 20:31.41 | valdyn | g333k_work: via vnc or what? |
| 20:31.41 | mikearthur | I'm aware I'll get stabbed for this question |
| 20:31.44 | mikearthur | how long does it normally take things like KDE to move from unstable to testing? |
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| 20:31.48 | valdyn | !stab mikearthur |
| 20:32.00 | valdyn | mikearthur: more than 10 days |
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| 20:32.05 | MustangMatt | Is there any way to use debian to load balance two internet connections? Such as if you had both DSL and cable. |
| 20:32.07 | mikearthur | ok, cool |
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| 20:32.26 | mikearthur | is the 10 days a minimum freeze or something |
| 20:32.31 | valdyn | mikearthur: there's no 'normal' , maybe there's an average, but that's not useful |
| 20:32.38 | valdyn | mikearthur: minimum |
| 20:33.47 | mikearthur | ok, thanks a lot |
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| 20:35.13 | anirban | Hi how to make my bootsplash work under debian |
| 20:35.21 | anirban | I Installed the packages |
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| 20:35.45 | eisen_ | anirban: on etch? |
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| 20:35.55 | anirban | now what change I have to make in menu.lst |
| 20:35.58 | anirban | yeah |
| 20:36.01 | anirban | on etch |
| 20:36.24 | eisen_ | anirban: did you recompile your kernel with the appropiate options? |
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| 20:36.43 | eisen_ | anirban: ...and the patch? |
| 20:36.43 | anirban | No I installed the kernel patch |
| 20:36.51 | MasterRa | Anyone know what it means when i see this in my logs repeatedly (also note that the network connection on this machine dies and then comes back every now and then, seems to be related): eth0: Autonegotiation advertising 0x5e1 partner 0x00. (preceeded by an Link Down, and Link Up afterwards) |
| 20:36.59 | anirban | I am using the default kernel by etch |
| 20:37.20 | justin | MasterRa: what is your computer plugged into? |
| 20:37.38 | anirban | though passing "splash on" as kernel parameter in boot time |
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| 20:37.54 | eisen_ | splash=silent is probably what you want |
| 20:37.55 | anirban | I am getting a very ugly looking bootsplash |
| 20:38.14 | anirban | okay |
| 20:38.24 | eisen_ | and vga=0x317 |
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| 20:38.37 | anirban | thanks I was using vga=791 |
| 20:38.48 | eisen_ | the default bootsplash isn't so pretty |
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| 20:39.36 | anirban | ohh sorry 791 is 0x317 in hex |
| 20:39.37 | MasterRa | justin: a switch (which is plugged into a router with routing off, the machine has a static ip). note also that we have tried a different network card, and a different network cable, and have tried the same cable on a different machine (which shows none of the same errors), and there are 2 other machines on the switch without the error.. :-| |
| 20:39.44 | anirban | okay |
| 20:39.45 | eisen_ | anirban: be aware that the progress bar does not work out of the box though |
| 20:39.52 | anirban | okay |
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| 20:40.13 | anirban | any link on this matter ?? |
| 20:40.43 | justin | MasterRa: router irrelevant, static ip irrelevant. what kind of switch? |
| 20:40.47 | PingFloyd | I have the little tux penguin instead :) |
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| 20:41.29 | eisen_ | anirban: you can grab the sysv-rc-bootsplash from unstable, but it will also upgrade sysv-rc to unstable as they deviate currently. |
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| 20:42.17 | eisen_ | it works fine though |
| 20:42.59 | MasterRa | justin: brand is linksys (all routing equipment is linksys).. it's a 10/100 switch.. anything else you need? |
| 20:43.03 | anirban | okay |
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| 20:43.09 | anirban | is it good looking ?? |
| 20:43.25 | justin | MasterRa: is it a managed switch? can you reconfigure the ports to not to autonegotiation? |
| 20:43.38 | eisen_ | anirban: with the appropiate theme it looks good. |
| 20:43.40 | jonaskoelker | I have a question |
| 20:43.54 | valdyn | !idea |
| 20:43.54 | dpkg | it has been said that idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 20:43.59 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 20:44.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 20:44.13 | MasterRa | justin: i beleive it's just an inexpensive off-the-shelf consumer switch with no configuration settings.. i'm not actually physically at the location though to check it, but i'm pretty sure |
| 20:44.20 | jonaskoelker | my mobo, intel D865GLC, has the (surprise) 865G graphics chip on it |
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| 20:44.48 | jonaskoelker | I've tried dozens of xorg.conf configurations, mostly all resulting in "Fatal server error:\nno screens found" |
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| 20:45.02 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 20:45.03 | dpkg | it has been said that noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
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| 20:45.46 | jonaskoelker | I'm not using fb; the EE is "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 20:46.33 | abrotman | look farther up in the error file |
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| 20:47.26 | jonaskoelker | "check http://wiki.x.org"? |
| 20:47.38 | sivik | anyone here use serial -> usb adaptor to configure routers in linux |
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| 20:48.04 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 20:48.04 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:48.04 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: what should I look for? "Intel bridge workaround enabled"? |
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| 20:48.11 | agentbob | is there a default/preferred mailserver for etch? |
| 20:48.16 | Cybersoft | Im in ur country, stealing ur president |
| 20:48.17 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: for EE |
| 20:48.20 | abrotman | agentbob: the one you like |
| 20:48.40 | jonaskoelker | valdyn: the one, first and _only_ EE is "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 20:48.49 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: /j #flood |
| 20:49.00 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: are you IRCing from the box ? |
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| 20:49.05 | jonaskoelker | yeah |
| 20:49.11 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: which driver is it using? |
| 20:49.20 | jonaskoelker | xorg? i810 |
| 20:49.31 | tonyb2006 | mythtv just says "Floating point exception" when i start it :\ |
| 20:49.45 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: which xorg version is this? |
| 20:49.51 | agentbob | abrotman: any idea which is the least bloated? |
| 20:49.57 | abrotman | postfix or exim most likely |
| 20:50.11 | jonaskoelker | `dpkg -l xserver-xorg' says 7.1.0-10 |
| 20:50.16 | eisen_ | anirban: I'm surprised that you didn't have to recompile the kernel. It would not work with the stock kernel for me. |
| 20:50.18 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: did oyu try to specify the PCI Bus ID ? |
| 20:50.30 | agentbob | abrotman: k thanks, i liked postfix's pcre support |
| 20:50.35 | PingFloyd | http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/04/msg00071.html |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | okay .. sounds like a plan :) |
| 20:50.44 | jonaskoelker | yep, I tried 00:00:0, 00:00:1 and 00:00:2, plus more |
| 20:50.52 | anirban | I think I apt-get install linux-patch-bootsplash |
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| 20:50.55 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: try leaving it blank |
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| 20:50.59 | valdyn | jonaskoelker: you should not use any |
| 20:51.08 | abrotman | unless you have two video devices |
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| 20:51.16 | jonaskoelker | same thing |
| 20:51.26 | snowbird | sb audigy card should work |
| 20:51.27 | jonaskoelker | yeah, I have an nvidia card too, on AGP |
| 20:51.43 | eisen_ | anirban: don't you have to compile the kernel with that patch then? As it is the same package I have installed. |
| 20:51.44 | abrotman | you have two ? |
| 20:51.53 | jonaskoelker | yep |
| 20:51.53 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: lspci .. which one is the right one ? |
| 20:52.14 | abrotman | paste in #flood if you need help finding it |
| 20:52.15 | jonaskoelker | "lspci | grep DRAM" => 00:00.0 |
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| 20:52.25 | abrotman | grep VGA ? |
| 20:52.33 | jonaskoelker | see http://jonaskoelker.homeunix.org/~jonas/filetranser/xorg |
| 20:52.40 | abrotman | no workie! |
| 20:52.47 | jonaskoelker | :| |
| 20:53.12 | abrotman | just paste lspci in #flood |
| 20:53.17 | abrotman | use the /exec -o lspci |
| 20:53.27 | PingFloyd | add an f to it where it should be, it comes up that way |
| 20:53.34 | PingFloyd | http://jonaskoelker.homeunix.org/~jonas/filetransfer/xorg/ |
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| 20:54.02 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: funny thing is .. lspci doesn't think you have an intel card |
| 20:54.26 | jonaskoelker | oops |
| 20:54.29 | jonaskoelker | see http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-March/014151.html |
| 20:54.31 | jonaskoelker | sorry |
| 20:54.31 | abrotman | oops indeed |
| 20:54.33 | jonaskoelker | thanks, PingFloyd |
| 20:54.36 | PingFloyd | abrotman: perhaps he doesn't have an intel card doh |
| 20:54.37 | jonaskoelker | someone else thinks it's an intel card |
| 20:54.47 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: who is someone else ? |
| 20:55.02 | eisen_ | anirban: I have a session script on my bootsplash install. I can msg it to you. |
| 20:55.07 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: your motherboard might disable the onboard VGA when a card is found in another slot |
| 20:55.07 | jonaskoelker | "JCA" |
| 20:55.09 | jonaskoelker | see the url |
| 20:55.26 | jonaskoelker | okay, brb, I'll go poke the bios and pull the other card out |
| 20:55.26 | abrotman | that hostbridge has nothing to do with your video |
| 20:55.42 | abrotman | well .. not nothing .. but it's not going to help :) |
| 20:55.45 | vertz | Hi, how do i change so i uses nb_NO.ISO-8859-1 instead of UTF-8? without my whole system turning norwegian? |
| 20:55.51 | PingFloyd | why not just use the nvidian instead? |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:56.06 | vertz | abrotman: then everything turns norwegian |
| 20:56.19 | abrotman | if you choose it as your default it will |
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| 20:56.36 | PingFloyd | vertz: maybe choose a different locale that isn't norwegian? :) |
| 20:56.42 | cahoot | vertz: export LC_CTYP? |
| 20:56.45 | cahoot | vertz: export LC_CTYPE |
| 20:57.02 | anirban | thanks |
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| 20:57.11 | anirban | I well be very glad to have it |
| 20:57.41 | vertz | abrotman: i want to do this so i can use norwegian charactures, got this weird problem.. they work, cept when i use irssi and bitlbee to connect to msn, then i see the norwegian charactures as normal, but the reciver see them as weird signs.. been messing around for ages trying to get it to work |
| 20:57.55 | abrotman | sounds like ap roblem on their end |
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| 20:58.10 | moshii | vertz: use UTF and make sure your irssi is running in UTF |
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| 20:58.43 | vertz | moshii: my irssi uses UTF-8 and so do my system |
| 20:58.58 | irule | I configured NFS manually to share a directory on a debian, could not mount from an opensuse, after many other tries trying to mount debian:/dir on an open use I created and tried mounting an exact same type of share but from opensuse:/dir to a debien as a client and it worked! what else could be wrong? |
| 20:58.59 | vertz | my system uses en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 20:59.05 | PingFloyd | vertz: then it's on their end |
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| 20:59.29 | vertz | PingFloyd: so its on their on for like 20 different people? |
| 20:59.43 | moshii | vertz: as PingFloyd said, it's probably that their client is broken |
| 21:00.25 | dondelelcaro | irule: 1) do you have postmaster listening on a public port? |
| 21:00.30 | vertz | i dont think thats the case, since everyone complains about "your ø æ å" is broken |
| 21:00.43 | vertz | but other people using irssi + bitlbee, see them just fine |
| 21:00.44 | cahoot | vertz: they look ok |
| 21:00.50 | vertz | yes on irc |
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| 21:01.03 | dondelelcaro | that's because most other people don't use UTF8; they use iso8859-1 or something else. |
| 21:01.11 | Dee- | I don't believe Verotel should have given ANY information to this suspect party. |
| 21:01.15 | vertz | they do for me as well, but not when i connect to msn via bitlbee.. i see everything ok, cept people using MS MSN |
| 21:01.22 | moshii | vertz: maybe their clients aren't UTF8 |
| 21:01.27 | Dee- | I had paid through Verotel with the belief that all my information was kept with Verotel. |
| 21:01.34 | dondelelcaro | Dee-: that's great; it's totally OT here. |
| 21:01.49 | vertz | moshii: i've tried with like 10 different machines, with different installs of windows and msn |
| 21:01.57 | vertz | moshii: thats why its driving me crazy :) |
| 21:02.14 | Dee- | I have STILL not recveived a response from Verotel. |
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| 21:02.24 | moshii | vertz: I have no problems using UTF8 for Japanese between kopete and the offical msn clients |
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| 21:02.57 | vertz | moshii: let me try another client. |
| 21:03.55 | PingFloyd | are they using msn messenger? |
| 21:04.18 | vertz | PingFloyd: yeah, or that live or what its called, same happens with both |
| 21:04.54 | bhagabhi | The Settings I find in gnome under sessions -> startup program preferences - is there a config-file somewhere representing those? |
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| 21:07.24 | Crissi | hello... |
| 21:07.39 | Crissi | kde 3.5.6 is out... |
| 21:07.41 | Phlogiston | What command do I need to reinstall __ALLL__ debian packages? |
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| 21:08.01 | Crissi | when debs will be available in unstable? |
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| 21:08.17 | rahul | !tell Crissi about wir |
| 21:08.41 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 21:08.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 21:09.16 | Crissi | hm. undefinied answer. |
| 21:09.38 | jzxu | hi, I'm having a problem with the testing version of libcairo2. Specifically, certain programs that are using it to render fonts such as gvim and firefox are crashing with the error "cairo-ft-font.c:680: _cairo_ft_unscaled_font_set_scale: Assertion 'error == 0' failed." |
| 21:09.42 | nvz | when it's ready |
| 21:09.53 | Phlogiston | abrotman: thanks it was for me right? |
| 21:09.59 | daxxar | What packages uses the /dev/mapper filestruct? dmcrypt, lvm, mdadm, any others? (software crypto, lvm and software raid) |
| 21:10.00 | jzxu | I've noticed that this error doesn't happen when I'm running the programs as root |
| 21:10.08 | rahul | Crissi: did you expect something else? |
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| 21:10.20 | abrotman | Phlogiston: yep |
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| 21:10.23 | jzxu | anyone have any idea how I can resolve this? I'm guessing I have to change the permissions on some files |
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| 21:10.52 | vertz | moshii: works with another client just tried with amsn |
| 21:11.09 | moshii | vertz: what client were you using |
| 21:11.17 | vertz | irssi + bitlbee |
| 21:11.26 | jonaskoelker | abrotman, valdyn: eheh... I'm embarrased now. It turned out I had only _thought_ I had moved the cable from nvidia card to the intel card :\ |
| 21:11.28 | vertz | moshii: irc IM gateway |
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| 21:11.49 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: shouldn't have matter really ... |
| 21:11.50 | jonaskoelker | sorry (sorry sorry sorry) and thanks for your time. It Just Works now |
| 21:11.57 | jonaskoelker | ^_^ |
| 21:12.00 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: everything okay now ? |
| 21:12.02 | jonaskoelker | yep |
| 21:12.06 | abrotman | okeedokee |
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| 21:12.31 | jonaskoelker | next time I'm gonna' ask if you just happen to have backed up my thesis :) |
| 21:13.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:13.18 | PingFloyd | jonaskoelker: huh? |
| 21:13.29 | jonaskoelker | me being the computer illiterate n00b |
| 21:13.30 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: no .. i read it .. it was crap .. start from scratch :) |
| 21:13.35 | jonaskoelker | :D |
| 21:14.26 | PingFloyd | jonaskoelker: are you using the nvidia or intel now? |
| 21:14.34 | jonaskoelker | intel |
| 21:14.51 | PingFloyd | I don't get why it didn't show up on lspic |
| 21:14.59 | PingFloyd | *lspci |
| 21:15.28 | PingFloyd | did you end up having to pull out the nvidia for it come up? |
| 21:15.39 | g333k_work | Hi if I installed my system in english and now I want to change it up to spanish, what do I have to do? |
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| 21:16.02 | jonaskoelker | PingFloyd: I did _that_, plus set the bios to use pci graphics as default (don't know if this matters), plus unplug the cable from the nvidia card and plug it into the intel card |
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| 21:16.55 | PingFloyd | jonaskoelker: I bet you could probably get away with leaving the nvidia in, and just change that bios setting for which one you want to use |
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| 21:17.41 | jonaskoelker | yeah, I'll put that on the "things to do next time I reboot" list |
| 21:17.56 | Ronin | g333k_work: reconfigure locales? |
| 21:18.03 | jonaskoelker | and now, for some *ACTION*!! (omfgroflolz0rzbbqstfun00bsupertux) |
| 21:18.05 | PingFloyd | jonaskoelker: and if it doesn't work, then you'll know a little caveat about your system |
| 21:18.24 | jonaskoelker | I love those; nothing beats good caveats |
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| 21:19.44 | PingFloyd | jonaskoelker: so the intel is an onboard? |
| 21:19.49 | jonaskoelker | yep |
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| 21:21.55 | PingFloyd | vertz: your issue may be something as simple as they don't have their clients set to use utf8 |
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| 21:23.35 | vertz | PingFloyd: yeah, but don't MSN messenger supports utf8? |
| 21:24.16 | vertz | PingFloyd: how do i change so my system uses ISO_8859-1? instead of utf |
| 21:25.55 | dxy | i just installed debian from network minimall install iso, i want to install xorg, gdm and gnome is already installed, i have problem with xorg, i always received this message from: apt-get install xserver-xorg " cant find xorg-server package" |
| 21:26.30 | jonaskoelker | dxy: check /etc/apt/sources.list, do an apt-get update |
| 21:26.47 | rahul | xserver-xorg ... xorg-server ? |
| 21:27.02 | jonaskoelker | o_o |
| 21:27.05 | jonaskoelker | O_o |
| 21:27.08 | daxxar | Hm. Does something set up like "iface eth0 inet dhcp\nup /root/dyndns" run /root/dyndns *after* a IP has been recieved, or just after dhcp client has been started? |
| 21:27.17 | rahul | !confuse jonaskoelker |
| 21:27.18 | dpkg | No, how is your weasel today, jonaskoelker? wellies of the democracy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 21:27.27 | jonaskoelker | :D |
| 21:28.15 | dxy | jonaskoelker i did update apt-get i still get those message |
| 21:28.38 | justin | daxxar: after I think.. why not just try it and see? |
| 21:28.39 | jonaskoelker | dxy: listen to rahul, he can read much better than I can |
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| 21:28.48 | jonaskoelker | dxy: you want `xserver-xorg', not `xorg-xserver' |
| 21:29.08 | jonaskoelker | or.. well, maybe that's not it.. |
| 21:29.14 | jonaskoelker | wow, I _really_ suck at reading today |
| 21:29.15 | daxxar | justin: I don't know how to try it. The issue is that when I reboot the box, it doesn't seem to update the dns record like it should, yet running /root/dyndns after login updates it fine. |
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| 21:29.42 | daxxar | So I'm guessing it's either not run, or failing when running (e.g. because the interface isn't configured so that it can reach the dyndns-server) |
| 21:29.56 | justin | daxxar: well you could always add a sleep 30 to the dyndns script, that should work |
| 21:29.58 | rahul | jonaskoelker: I have no idea what he's doing either, fwiw |
| 21:30.08 | daxxar | justin: Ugh. :-| |
| 21:30.08 | dxy | lolz |
| 21:30.12 | justin | daxxar: there is also 'post-up' not just 'up' |
| 21:30.14 | CyberGabber | Hello, when installing VMware-server by executing 'vmware-config.pl' i got an error saying'The directory of kernel headers' does not match, See http://paste-it.net/1082. What's wrong ? |
| 21:30.18 | PingFloyd | dxy: WMs and DEs don't do you much good without an X server ;) |
| 21:30.40 | dxy | nevermind |
| 21:30.42 | justin | daxxar: and, depending on which dhclient you use, it may have hooks to run a script.. dhclient has them |
| 21:30.42 | PingFloyd | nor do DMs |
| 21:30.44 | daxxar | justin: After what I could understand from 'man interfaces', 'up' and 'post-up' are the same, so are 'pre-down' and 'down' |
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| 21:31.57 | justin | daxxar: doing it from the dhcp client hooks, or from cron is a better idea, incase your ip changes while the system is running |
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| 21:32.52 | shafire | help |
| 21:32.53 | shafire | hi |
| 21:32.56 | shafire | what does sh: xv: command not found mean? |
| 21:32.59 | shafire | what is xv? |
| 21:33.09 | justin | shafire: an image viewer |
| 21:33.14 | karsten | What's Debian's behavior if both rsh and ssh are installed WRT rsh client and ssh client? |
| 21:33.27 | rahul | karsten: /etc/alternatives |
| 21:33.30 | karsten | Default IIRC is rsh symlinks to ssh, with the real rsh available elsewhere. |
| 21:33.34 | nitro4ce | hi. do u know how to improve the look of gnome apps in kde? (let gnome apps use the kde theme) |
| 21:33.37 | karsten | rahul: Yeah, I sorta noticed that ;-) |
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| 21:33.41 | karsten | rahul: Diversion? |
| 21:33.43 | nitro4ce | there is a package to do that right? |
| 21:33.44 | mystic_touch | Hello :) |
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| 21:33.48 | rahul | karsten: don't think there's a diversion |
| 21:33.54 | rahul | karsten: it's just installed like that |
| 21:34.06 | daxxar | justin: I think the dhclient hooks will do fine, thanks a lot. :-) |
| 21:34.08 | shafire | justin, how do i install that? |
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| 21:34.32 | justin | shafire: you don't, better idea would be to make a symlink from xv to any other image viewer that you already have installed |
| 21:34.33 | daxxar | justin: 'bound'-event happens each time it binds to a new IP, and it's also cronned (though not extremely frequent) |
| 21:35.02 | shafire | justin, and which? |
| 21:35.21 | shafire | i am programming with python |
| 21:35.21 | justin | shafire: PIL? |
| 21:35.33 | shafire | yeah |
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| 21:35.34 | rahul | /var/lib/dpkg/info/rsh-client.postinst |
| 21:35.40 | justin | daxxar: if you make your cron script save the last IP it started with, you could make it run every 5 minutes with no adverse effects |
| 21:35.44 | shafire | justin, img = Image.new('RGB', (100,100), (255, 255, 255)) |
| 21:35.44 | shafire | img.show() |
| 21:35.52 | justin | yeah, PIL has xv hardcoded |
| 21:36.00 | shafire | and it shows me this message: sh: xv: command not found |
| 21:36.06 | shafire | :( |
| 21:36.06 | justin | linking eog, gqview, xli, etc to xv will make it work fine |
| 21:36.16 | vertz | thanks for the help moshii and PingFloyd :) i'm out |
| 21:36.17 | justin | though there is probably a way to change it in PIL itself |
| 21:36.21 | shafire | how can i do it? justin i am new sry |
| 21:36.28 | daxxar | justin: True, true. But this setup will work fine, the help is appreciated. :) |
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| 21:36.48 | eisen_ | nitro4ce: gtk-qt-engine |
| 21:36.58 | justin | shafire: ln -s /usr/bin/eog /usr/local/bin/xv or such |
| 21:37.10 | abrotman | or an alias ... |
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| 21:37.18 | jelly-home | or install xv ;-) |
| 21:37.20 | shafire | i have no eog justin |
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| 21:37.36 | justin | shafire: any image viewer that you do have will work... |
| 21:37.40 | shafire | jelly-home, which package? |
| 21:37.47 | justin | shafire: it also seems that show() takes a command= parameter |
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| 21:37.53 | shafire | yes |
| 21:38.04 | jelly-home | shafire: It has long been thrown out of Debian... |
| 21:38.24 | shafire | mhm |
| 21:38.29 | shafire | :-( |
| 21:38.48 | justin | shafire: YOU DO NOT NEED xv |
| 21:38.56 | justin | shafire: ffs, install ANY image viewer, and use that instead |
| 21:39.08 | shafire | i don't know any name of any image viewer |
| 21:39.09 | shafire | ! |
| 21:39.14 | justin | !tell shafire about search |
| 21:39.21 | jelly-home | <justin> linking eog, gqview, xli, etc to xv will make it work fine |
| 21:39.27 | shafire | thanks |
| 21:39.54 | jelly-home | shafire: there's some names for ya. Some more: qiv, pornview |
| 21:40.19 | pixelmasochist | is there a way to install debian without using a boot cd or floppy (direct from hd)? |
| 21:40.32 | justin | pixelmasochist: yes, read the install guide |
| 21:40.45 | pixelmasochist | justin: thanks :) |
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| 21:40.56 | shafire | justin, :P |
| 21:40.56 | shafire | typex:/home/dennis/typex/cgi-bin# xv: Cannot open display '' |
| 21:40.58 | justin | installing from HD is tricky, as you usually only get one shot at it |
| 21:41.05 | justin | shafire: don't run things as root |
| 21:41.27 | jelly-home | shafire: don't run stuff as root unless REALLY needed |
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| 21:41.44 | shafire | yes |
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| 21:41.45 | shafire | ok |
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| 21:43.16 | fxard | im running into a problem setting up my dhcpd.conf file... When I try to start dhcpd i get these errors for lines 95 and 98 "expecting a parameter or declaration" line 95 reads: DHCPDARGS "ath0"; - line 98 reads: ddns-update-style "ad-hoc"; - Anyone know what the problem could be? |
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| 21:44.32 | shafire | justin, this doesn't work |
| 21:44.40 | shafire | i need another image viewer |
| 21:44.46 | shafire | i tried xiv |
| 21:44.48 | jelly-home | fxard: look for problems above that line too. Perhaps a missing ; or } separator |
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| 21:46.15 | fxard | jelly-home : Thanks ;) |
| 21:46.42 | justin | shafire: eog should work fine |
| 21:46.50 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 21:46.54 | shafire | justin, to much packages |
| 21:47.00 | shafire | i have no gnome and so one |
| 21:47.06 | shafire | only shell |
| 21:47.12 | justin | xloadimage |
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| 21:48.12 | daxxar | Hmm. |
| 21:48.14 | shafire | justin, the same: Cannot open display |
| 21:48.15 | shafire | :( |
| 21:48.23 | justin | shafire: don't run things as root |
| 21:48.39 | shafire | dennis@typex:~/typex/cgi-bin$ : Cannot open display |
| 21:48.42 | shafire | :-O |
| 21:48.42 | daxxar | mdadm --create gives me 'mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda: Device or resource busy' - Anyone have any suggestions as to what could cause this? lsof /dev/sda and lsof|grep sda yields no results. |
| 21:48.50 | justin | shafire: are you even running X at all? |
| 21:48.54 | shafire | no |
| 21:49.03 | justin | shafire: then how the fuck do you expect to see an image! |
| 21:49.14 | shafire | i want to have the code |
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| 21:53.44 | mfrisch | how can I open a x program on a remote machine using ssh |
| 21:53.58 | karsten | !sshx |
| 21:53.59 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 21:54.01 | mfrisch | on the remote x |
| 21:54.19 | karsten | mfrisch: ssh remotehost DISPLAY=:0 xlogo |
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| 21:54.57 | mfrisch | karsten: I need to write that down THANKS |
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| 21:57.31 | mfrisch | karsten: so I could set the display var when I ssh in ? |
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| 22:00.11 | es0 | I know this isn't exclusivel a debian question.. but... does anyone know how I enable email relay for an IP with exim4? |
| 22:01.23 | fxard | anyone know something about coLinux-debian ? |
| 22:01.24 | dendrite | es0: eximconfig? |
| 22:01.29 | daxxar | Ugh, why does mdadm --create take *ages* for the initial creation? What does it do to the disks? :o |
| 22:01.47 | daxxar | (3+ days) |
| 22:01.55 | es0 | dendrite. I just found it.. update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 22:01.57 | es0 | thansk |
| 22:02.19 | GeorgeS069 | 3 days??? how big is the array? |
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| 22:02.38 | daxxar | 1.2tb |
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| 22:03.15 | daxxar | /proc/mdstat says it uses about .. 1024K/sec (which seems a bit slow) |
| 22:03.22 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: well,that is a bit large but,geez how slow are the drives? |
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| 22:04.07 | daxxar | GeorgeS069: SATA drives |
| 22:04.30 | belkin | what do i need to be able to record streams with streamtuner ? |
| 22:04.33 | daxxar | According to hdparm, running with udma6 |
| 22:04.35 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: sounds lie they are not running at full speed |
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| 22:04.41 | GeorgeS069 | like* |
| 22:04.56 | daxxar | What could cause that? |
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| 22:05.39 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: what kernel? |
| 22:05.39 | daxxar | 2.6.15 amd64 |
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| 22:06.53 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: you could try some other hdparm settings....1024K does sound really slow...or perhaps a newer kernel with better SATA support |
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| 22:09.01 | daxxar | It seems to hog /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min |
| 22:09.17 | daxxar | but speed_limit_max is 200 times larger :p |
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| 22:09.42 | GeorgeS069 | let me see if I can find the raid How-To I used...it had lots of speed tips on it...just a sec |
| 22:09.52 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can somebody explain what this kernel dump means ? http://rafb.net/p/d0er6e31.html |
| 22:10.10 | belkin | why i cannot use a smaller screen resolution then 1024x768 ? |
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| 22:11.47 | daxxar | If I change /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min, it adjusts speed (according to mdstat) accordingly |
| 22:12.31 | Flimzy_ | belkin: Uhm... I give up. why can't you use a smaller screen resolution then [sic] 1024x768? |
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| 22:13.03 | belkin | Flimzy_ yeah i want 1280x960 not 1024x768 |
| 22:13.03 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: I used this I think http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html see the Performance section |
| 22:13.37 | fxard | how can i learn connection speed of a data ip ? |
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| 22:14.00 | belkin | Flimzy_ please have a look at my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/328572 |
| 22:14.01 | sivik | fxard, like what your getting or what you need to set the router at |
| 22:14.03 | daxxar | Performance seems to talk about how the raid-levels increase performance over stand-alone disks |
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| 22:14.09 | Flimzy_ | belkin: Oh, so you want higher resolution? |
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| 22:14.17 | GeorgeS069 | I'm pretty sure the "speed limits" are simply to keep the raid system from using up the whole CPU while building |
| 22:14.22 | Flimzy_ | belkin: Maybe your monitor and/or video hardware don't support higher resolutions. |
| 22:14.40 | belkin | Flimzy_ yeah all the icons are too big right now, they do support higher resolutions |
| 22:14.59 | Flimzy_ | belkin: you probably need to reconfigure X then |
| 22:15.06 | daxxar | I set /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min to 8000, and that's where the new speed hovers, according to mdstat. What the heck is going on? (It varies between 7950 and 8200K/sec) |
| 22:15.10 | belkin | did you look at my xorg.conf ? |
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| 22:15.14 | belkin | i just did mate |
| 22:15.18 | belkin | Flimzy_ ^^ |
| 22:15.28 | Flimzy_ | belkin: No. |
| 22:15.37 | belkin | well done ;) |
| 22:15.40 | Flimzy_ | thanks |
| 22:15.50 | Flimzy_ | I try to avoid looking at my own xorg.conf |
| 22:16.07 | muntz | asd |
| 22:17.02 | belkin | Flimzy_ then you have to stop helping people without looking at they config files |
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| 22:17.12 | spike | hi |
| 22:17.13 | Flimzy_ | belkin: Good idea. |
| 22:17.21 | Flimzy_ | belkin: I'll stop helping you now. |
| 22:17.34 | belkin | aight , have a nice day |
| 22:17.35 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: is it a raid-5 array? |
| 22:17.35 | spike | how does it come that after dpkg-reconfigure locales, and picking up one, running "locales" at the promt five me POSIX? |
| 22:17.47 | spike | I've also tried to logout and back |
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| 22:17.58 | daxxar | GeorgeS069: yep |
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| 22:18.47 | robin_sz | #debian, like world war 3, but without the social niceties :0 |
| 22:19.16 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: Ok...I thought so...setting up raid 5 is a pretty intense proccess.....my 4 200gig IDE drives took about 24 hours to finish building |
| 22:19.17 | iwkse | hi all, where i can find info about writing .fonts.conf? |
| 22:19.43 | GeorgeS069 | Did you know that you can use the array while it's being built? |
| 22:19.48 | daxxar | GeorgeS069: But why does it increase speed if I set the 'minimum'? That is a clear signal that it isn't maxing the disk-IO, and somehow thinks my system is under heavy load. |
| 22:20.04 | spike | intense process? |
| 22:20.08 | iwkse | i would like to add hinting and antialiasing to fonts to make them looks better |
| 22:20.09 | spike | you meant *insane* probably |
| 22:20.33 | robin_sz | iwkse, sub-pixel antialiasing? |
| 22:20.41 | iwkse | robin_sz: yes |
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| 22:21.15 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: i'd say keep adjusting the speed until it is maxed out |
| 22:21.22 | robin_sz | iwkse, I *thought* that was done as part of the xserver, features, not the fonts themsleves, |
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| 22:21.59 | iwkse | robin_sz: its done by fontconfig i guess, and it reads .fonts.conf |
| 22:22.44 | daxxar | GeorgeS069: I set it to 80000, now it's at 21588K/sec, which is bearable. :) |
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| 22:23.48 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: I had a hell of a time setting up my arrays...with kernel 2.4 it was gong to take 7 days to build the arrays |
| 22:23.55 | GeorgeS069 | going* |
| 22:24.10 | robin_sz | iwkse, hmmm ... but its hardware dependent, depending onthe color order on your LCD |
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| 22:25.19 | iwkse | robin_sz: i don't use kde, but it has a configure anti-alias settings where you can use sub-pixel hinting |
| 22:25.45 | robin_sz | iwkse, and if you have two LCDs with different color order? |
| 22:26.01 | GeorgeS069 | daxxar: 21588K sounds more like "normal" for those drives...you should be ok |
| 22:26.01 | robin_sz | iwkse, I thought it was in int he display section of xorg .. i could be wrong |
| 22:26.03 | iwkse | robin_sz: it applies on different levels |
| 22:26.13 | iwkse | robin_sz: btw i use CRT:) |
| 22:26.44 | daxxar | GeorgeS069: yep. Thanks for your help, anyway :-) |
| 22:26.47 | robin_sz | iwkse, well, you cant do sub-pixel anti-aliasing on a CRT anyway, so forget it |
| 22:27.09 | rahul | X's color model is not sophisticated enough for that |
| 22:27.16 | rahul | you need a Mac :) |
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| 22:27.56 | robin_sz | rahul, ive had it on X before, including being able to sleect the color order of the LCD segemnts |
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| 22:28.04 | rahul | on different monitors? |
| 22:28.11 | rahul | with Xinerama? |
| 22:28.26 | iwkse | robin_sz: i'm talking about fonts, sorry |
| 22:28.29 | rahul | Macs can have a window straddling two monitors with different color models on them |
| 22:28.41 | iwkse | robin_sz: make them to look more readable |
| 22:28.42 | robin_sz | right |
| 22:29.00 | iwkse | robin_sz: using font config settings |
| 22:29.03 | robin_sz | iwkse, you cannot do sub-pixel antialiasing on a CRT full stop. |
| 22:29.15 | rahul | neither gtk2 nor qt use the X server for fonts, I hear |
| 22:29.29 | iwkse | robin_sz: there's a tutorial on ubuntu that works, and worked here too when i had ubuntu..i still had a crt..sorry |
| 22:29.49 | jelly-home | robin_sz: ... but you can enable it an get funny colors at edges of letters! |
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| 22:29.58 | robin_sz | jelly-home, exactly |
| 22:30.18 | iwkse | jelly-home: yeap, thats it |
| 22:30.23 | robin_sz | jelly-home, there no predicting where the color segemtn will hit on a CRT like you can on a lcd |
| 22:30.36 | iwkse | robin_sz: i catch what do you mean.. |
| 22:30.38 | jelly-home | robin_sz: ya |
| 22:30.46 | robin_sz | http://jmason.org/howto/subpixel.html |
| 22:30.52 | robin_sz | iwkse, read that ^ |
| 22:30.58 | iwkse | robin_sz: ok.. |
| 22:31.37 | iwkse | robin_sz: oh, great, i was searching right this |
| 22:32.02 | robin_sz | iwkse, http://www.grc.com/ctwhat.htm is a better explanaition |
| 22:32.05 | iwkse | jelly-home: when its few hinting, its ok |
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| 22:32.34 | robin_sz | iwkse, the long and short of it is, it does not and CANNOT work on a CRT |
| 22:32.41 | robin_sz | it will just look blurry |
| 22:32.48 | iwkse | i see.. |
| 22:33.02 | iwkse | but it looked nice before.. |
| 22:33.23 | iwkse | i installed gnome 2.17.90 and it has such feature enabled |
| 22:33.44 | iwkse | it wasn't so bad |
| 22:34.40 | robin_sz | iwkse, read http://www.grc.com/ctwhat.htm and look at the demo images at the bottom |
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| 22:34.57 | robin_sz | wait, I past you a /msg :) |
| 22:35.08 | iwkse | yes i was looking;) |
| 22:35.25 | robin_sz | While the application of Sub-Pixel Graphic Rendering will absolutely benefit virtually all users of LCD displays, it's important to understand that this technique is not applicable to high-resolution Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) displays. Yes, I know, the sample above looked really great on your CRT, but that's mostly because any mature sub-pixel rendering technology also incorporates aspects of anti-aliasing (as we'll see on the next page of this little |
| 22:35.26 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.36 | robin_sz | oops, apologies |
| 22:35.39 | iwkse | ;) |
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| 22:37.40 | Sor_Zitroen | buenas |
| 22:37.49 | robin_sz | ick |
| 22:38.39 | robin_sz | still no one kicke me :0 |
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| 22:39.31 | jaye | Does anyone know what bind is trying to say in the syslog when it reports: extra input text? |
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| 22:39.36 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 22:39.52 | jes-o-mat | which package includes ifup ifdown and so on? |
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| 22:40.17 | rahul | dpkg -S |
| 22:40.53 | jes-o-mat | rahul: dpkg: /etc/network/interfaces not found |
| 22:40.56 | streuner | !tell jes-o-mat about search |
| 22:40.58 | jes-o-mat | already tried it ;) |
| 22:41.10 | jes-o-mat | but I found the package name - thnx |
| 22:41.21 | rahul | jes-o-mat: well, you asked about the binaries |
| 22:41.52 | HymnToLife | jes-o-mat, dpkg -S $(which ifup) ftw. |
| 22:41.59 | rahul | psht |
| 22:42.03 | rahul | dpkg -S =ifup |
| 22:42.03 | dpkg | Dingos ate my =ifup! |
| 22:42.12 | rahul | dpkg: we know. we know. |
| 22:42.18 | HymnToLife | dpkg -l |
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| 22:42.31 | rahul | dpkg -i dpkg |
| 22:42.38 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:42.54 | rahul | last night he said something about dpkg being my secret pr0n stash or something |
| 22:43.34 | karsten | rahul: It's not? |
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| 22:44.21 | blondie | duck |
| 22:44.28 | streuner | hm |
| 22:44.31 | streuner | !dpkg -l |
| 22:44.31 | rahul | duck |
| 22:44.48 | streuner | dpkg -l |
| 22:45.01 | rahul | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 22:45.02 | dpkg | ii dpkg 3.7-4 rahul's private stamp collection |
| 22:45.07 | rahul | haha |
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| 22:45.12 | streuner | dpkg -l dpkg |
| 22:45.13 | dpkg | ii dpkg 1.9-3.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:45.15 | tonyb2006 | lol |
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| 22:46.14 | streuner | it seems, 'somebody' modified that... |
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| 22:46.28 | cafuego_ | Nah, that can't happen. |
| 22:46.44 | streuner | "dpkg -l" showed us the same before (dpkg -l dpkg) |
| 22:47.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: literal -l |
| 22:47.20 | dondelelcaro | hrm... I only personally remember creating the command |
| 22:47.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: factinfo cmd: -l (.*?) |
| 22:47.31 | dpkg | CMD: -l (.*?) -- last modified at Sat Dec 6 07:03:27 2003 by dondelelcaro!~don@archimedes.ucr.edu; it has been requested 366 times, last by streuner, 2m 19s ago. |
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| 22:51.51 | sid | For Debian what is the compiz key combination to make a window semi-transparent? |
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| 22:53.13 | jonaskoelker | meh |
| 22:53.15 | jonaskoelker | (me again) |
| 22:53.19 | jonaskoelker | direct rendering doesn't work |
| 22:53.32 | jonaskoelker | "it says on the tin it should" |
| 22:53.33 | sid | ie, make my gnome-terminal and irssi transparent so while I'm talking in #debian I can see the movie behind this window. |
| 22:53.46 | iwkse | sid: lol |
| 22:54.41 | jonaskoelker | egrep -c '^\(EE\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log is 1, and the line is "(EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable" |
| 22:55.13 | jonaskoelker | `glxinfo | grep -i render' says `direct rendering: No' and `OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect' |
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| 22:57.22 | jonaskoelker | .. and the glxgears render painfully slow (as does supertux 2 svn) even though glxgears -printfps claims to achieve > 250 fps |
| 22:57.54 | Flimzy_ | jonaskoelker: Maybe it does 250 painfully slow frames per second :P |
| 22:57.56 | jonaskoelker | I've STFW for tons of people asking about their problems with direct rendering for intel cards, but none of their solutions applied |
| 22:58.04 | jonaskoelker | ^_^ |
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| 22:58.34 | jonaskoelker | yeah: it only renders 5 different frames, but it renders each frame 50 times :D |
| 22:58.36 | Flimzy_ | Do you have DRI support in the kernel? (is it even available for your chipset?) |
| 22:58.39 | extreme | hello |
| 22:58.42 | extreme | girls |
| 22:58.46 | extreme | how are you |
| 22:58.47 | dpkg | just great, extreme |
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| 22:59.11 | mlehrer | how so i limit the number of RAM disks without recompiling the kernel? |
| 22:59.11 | extreme | where are you from |
| 22:59.15 | Eulex | jonaskoelker, umh, any processor from the latest years is capable of achieving 250fps in glxgears without 3d acceleration |
| 22:59.25 | extreme | the guys |
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| 22:59.32 | extreme | ooh talk me |
| 22:59.39 | jonaskoelker | Flimzy_: how would I check if there's DRI support in my kernel? |
| 22:59.43 | Eulex | extreme, have you got any debian question? |
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| 22:59.50 | extreme | what is your problem |
| 23:00.06 | jonaskoelker | fsf.org says that there's free software support for the chipset 865G |
| 23:00.07 | extreme | what is debian question |
| 23:00.12 | Eulex | !debian |
| 23:00.13 | dpkg | i guess debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 23:00.13 | Flimzy_ | jonaskoelker: *I* would do it by recompiling my kernel, and selecting my video card in the list of DRI drivers during menuconfig. But most people don't like compiling kernels as much as I do. |
| 23:00.20 | Eulex | extreme, question about debian |
| 23:00.22 | extreme | pass the links |
| 23:00.32 | extreme | talk me girls |
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| 23:01.03 | jonaskoelker | Flimzy_: then you probably know the CONFIG_FOO names? |
| 23:01.05 | karsten | extreme: If you've got a debian question, ask. If you don't, leave. |
| 23:01.25 | extreme | what is your problem karsten |
| 23:01.39 | Flimzy_ | jonaskoelker: No... haven't a clue. 1) I never pay attention. 2) I don't use an intel video chip... |
| 23:01.46 | jonaskoelker | :| |
| 23:01.53 | extreme | pass the subjects, |
| 23:01.57 | karsten | !ops extreme troll |
| 23:01.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: extreme troll |
| 23:02.02 | RichiH | hmm? |
| 23:02.10 | extreme | we must talk love |
| 23:02.12 | extreme | sex |
| 23:02.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 23:02.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@88.229.41.175] by dondelelcaro |
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| 23:02.24 | jonaskoelker | karsten: thank you |
| 23:02.25 | karsten | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 23:02.28 | LoRez | karsten: perhaps you should point towards the troll next time. |
| 23:02.35 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: pft, spoilsport |
| 23:02.36 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Don't try cashing those all in at once. |
| 23:02.41 | RichiH | LoRez: he did |
| 23:02.47 | karsten | LoRez: Nick "extreme". |
| 23:02.47 | RichiH | 'extreme' is the nick |
| 23:02.51 | iwkse | jonaskoelker: intel 810 based? |
| 23:02.53 | RichiH | took me some time to figure out, too |
| 23:02.56 | jonaskoelker | iwkse: yep |
| 23:03.08 | iwkse | forget the direct rendering |
| 23:03.12 | LoRez | yeah, that's a bit vague. |
| 23:03.22 | jonaskoelker | iwkse: why? |
| 23:03.27 | iwkse | cause doesnì't work |
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| 23:06.06 | iwkse | jonaskoelker: maybe you're lucky? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=402003 |
| 23:07.00 | streuner | Okt 11 10:53:21 <azeem> dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 23:07.00 | streuner | Okt 11 10:53:22 <dpkg> ii | grep ^ii 1.7-13.1 azeem's private stamp collection |
| 23:07.49 | streuner | You don't see if somebody modify the factoid (cmd) either... |
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| 23:12.13 | protocol1 | is there a way to stream yahoo tunes on debian etch |
| 23:12.15 | protocol1 | ? |
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| 23:14.07 | protocol1 | or should I try using opera? |
| 23:14.38 | streuner | opera isn't in debian, so what do you expect? |
| 23:15.30 | deconvolution | hi, I am configuring my openldap server which request a admin with rootpw. Which tool that I can easily to gen a sha phrase by a given string without dpkg-reconfigure slapd? |
| 23:15.41 | protocol1 | maybe running IE on my system |
| 23:15.48 | protocol1 | but I dunno |
| 23:16.04 | nvz | protocol1: whatever socks match your outfit, I always say. |
| 23:16.15 | protocol1 | lol |
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| 23:16.28 | nvz | heh |
| 23:16.38 | nvz | actually I just started saying that.. but its catching on fast |
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| 23:17.38 | JordiGH | Konqueror displays some characters as empty boxes. Why? |
| 23:17.57 | nvz | couldnt Conqueror them? |
| 23:18.13 | JordiGH | Har, har, har. :-) |
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| 23:18.44 | multi_io | is there any usable reference documentation on the install-menu program (and thus the syntax and semantics of the /etc/menu-methods/* files)? |
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| 23:18.50 | JordiGH | Y'all are so anti-KDE... I feel oppressed. |
| 23:18.56 | nvz | heh |
| 23:19.06 | stoned | maybe you should do a million man march |
| 23:19.12 | stoned | fight the opression brother |
| 23:19.15 | nvz | liberate yourself |
| 23:19.16 | multi_io | or are you actually supposed to find all you need to know about that in the manual section? |
| 23:19.18 | streuner | JordiGH: no |
| 23:19.20 | JordiGH | Power to the glitzy desktops. |
| 23:19.23 | nvz | wear mismatching socks! |
| 23:19.36 | multi_io | (which would be http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30046/2/menu-one-file.html#s7.2 ) |
| 23:19.41 | streuner | JordiGH: the only reason why i run fluxbox is, because it needs not much RAM... |
| 23:19.41 | JordiGH | streuner, no what? |
| 23:19.48 | multi_io | !menu-methods |
| 23:19.48 | dpkg | You can remove the icons from your window manager's menus by editing /etc/menu-methods/foobar but beware! The docs in /usr/share/doc/menu are out of date. When they say remove `$%{icon}' they actually mean to remove `cond_surr(icon(),"%","%")'. |
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| 23:20.42 | multi_io | :-? |
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| 23:21.11 | JordiGH | The rampant KDEism around here makes me sick. |
| 23:21.22 | streuner | another no |
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| 23:21.56 | JordiGH | streuner, oh yeah? Then kiss my aRTs. |
| 23:22.28 | JordiGH | (Actually, this computer doesn't have a sound card. But y'know what I mean...) |
| 23:23.09 | nvz | If it wasnt for inclusion of kde we couldnt say debian has it all.. even the kitchensync |
| 23:23.27 | JordiGH | The kitchen sink is already in Emacs. |
| 23:23.53 | nvz | oh really.. |
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| 23:24.16 | JordiGH | nvz: apt-cache show emacs21 | grep kitchen |
| 23:24.36 | pigrOS | o.O |
| 23:25.04 | nvz | JordiGH: nothing |
| 23:25.15 | JordiGH | Huh, funny. I thought it was there. |
| 23:25.22 | multi_io | did anybody here ever write or significantly change a menu-methods file? |
| 23:25.27 | nvz | !info kitchensync |
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| 23:25.33 | dpkg | kitchensync: (Synchronization framework), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5.dfsg.1-6 (sid), Packaged size: 807 kB, Installed size: 2444 kB |
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| 23:27.44 | hagabaka | a script for a package in /etc/init.d isn't removed unless i purge the package. so if i only remove the package, do those scripts check that the packages are not installed and do nothing? |
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| 23:28.43 | maddash | !install-menu |
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| 23:28.58 | hagabaka | what if a package i removed had a program with identical path/name with a new package, and the script of the removed package refers to that new program? |
| 23:29.02 | AndroidData | Hi. I have the file "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3" and I'm writing a tutorial for installing a program that needs it... in my case I had to manually download this "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3" file and put it in /usr/lib for the program to work. Is there a package where "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3" is included in? Is there a way for me to check which files are in which package, or perhaps search for "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3" in packages? |
| 23:29.18 | AndroidData | with apt* |
| 23:29.38 | maddash | is dpkg dead or something? |
| 23:29.40 | multi_io | !apt-file |
| 23:29.41 | dpkg | i heard apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
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| 23:30.02 | maddash | is it /msg dpkg search [package name] or have I gotten it wrong? |
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| 23:30.12 | streuner | maddash: wrong factoid (cmds) doesn't get an response |
| 23:30.33 | streuner | s/search find |
| 23:30.38 | streuner | s/search/find/ |
| 23:30.42 | maddash | can I still search for packages by name using dpkg? |
| 23:30.50 | maddash | thanks streuner |
| 23:30.50 | streuner | maddash: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:33.43 | protocol1 | yay! |
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| 23:33.56 | maddash | Internet Explorer??? |
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| 23:34.20 | protocol1 | well...I need it to stream music and use certain sites |
| 23:34.22 | protocol1 | so |
| 23:34.30 | maxamillion | will etch stable include xfce4.4-stable? |
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| 23:34.53 | maddash | protocol1: wine? |
| 23:34.54 | maxamillion | (when etch is released stable of course) |
| 23:35.08 | protocol1 | yes |
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| 23:35.17 | protocol1 | its nice |
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| 23:36.15 | maddash | no speed issues? |
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| 23:37.07 | streuner | modern browsers needs plenty of RAM nowadays, running that in emulator is almost insane. |
| 23:37.13 | ajs | Does anybody know when Etch is going stable? |
| 23:37.20 | streuner | !wir |
| 23:37.20 | ajs | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.23 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 23:38.11 | jonaskoelker | we get render! |
| 23:38.17 | jonaskoelker | main speed turn on |
| 23:38.19 | jonaskoelker | (sorry) |
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| 23:39.01 | jonaskoelker | (I needed to unload the i830 module) |
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| 23:42.00 | Provito | is there any problem with having a lot of --bind mounts, is there any limit to the number? |
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| 23:44.18 | jello | there's a limit on loopback mounts, dunno about bind mounts... |
| 23:44.43 | Provito | the reason being is that I'm chrooting a number of services and --bind mounting /usr and /lib |
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| 23:45.06 | jello | Provito: why not use automount -- that way they're only mounted when needed... |
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| 23:45.32 | jello | unless you plan on using them all simultaneously |
| 23:45.43 | Provito | yes, they are for web virtual hosts |
| 23:46.50 | jello | why not use uml or xen? |
| 23:47.00 | Provito | probably a better idea |
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| 23:48.17 | jello | freebsd_fan in #debian ?!? |
| 23:50.20 | streuner | it has a long tradition here :-) |
| 23:50.41 | maddash | what's wrong with openbsd? |
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| 23:50.47 | streuner | nothing |
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| 23:53.03 | jelly-home | is there a pastebin for screenshots? |
| 23:53.16 | maddash | box.net |
| 23:53.21 | maddash | are you guys related? |
| 23:53.24 | streuner | well, there are several website which host pictures |
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| 23:54.20 | jelly-home | streuner: hm, an url would be nice |
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| 23:54.31 | redstelwerk | imageshack.us maybe? |
| 23:54.32 | streuner | jelly-home: imageshack.us |
| 23:54.36 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 23:54.43 | maddash | thanks |
| 23:54.44 | jelly-home | keywords: image hosting |
| 23:54.57 | jello | flickr? |
| 23:55.01 | maddash | lol |
| 23:55.12 | jello | snapfish? |
| 23:55.29 | redstelwerk | photobucket? |
| 23:57.15 | jelly-home | I meant, keywords "image hosting" were good enough, unlike pastebin screenshot |
| 23:57.26 | ulf_k_ | hi i need some help, i try to install etch via pxe boot, this is working i get the welcome debian screen and can type in install or expert - fine |
| 23:57.52 | ulf_k_ | but after booting the kernel i got a waiting for root file system |
| 23:58.07 | jello | sata? |
| 23:58.13 | ulf_k_ | and after a minute i get a busybox |
| 23:58.21 | maddash | is your initrd.gz in the right place? |
| 23:58.27 | ulf_k_ | yes |
| 23:58.41 | maddash | gah initrd* |
| 23:58.42 | ulf_k_ | the kernel and initrd |
| 23:58.53 | maddash | so what's the problem? |
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| 23:59.26 | ulf_k_ | while starting i get the kernel and initrd.gz with loading many ..... |
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| 23:59.40 | ulf_k_ | so where is the mistake? |
