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| 00:00.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | boodie: That's solvable. Get the K-Lite Codec Pack from a site called edskes file server/mirror/something like that (probably the first result on searches for "edskes") |
| 00:00.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Install it under Wine |
| 00:00.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Play realmedia files with the included player, media player classic |
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| 00:00.45 | unlink | why wouldn't libgnome2-0 want to install? i don't understand the reason it gives |
| 00:00.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | unlink: God wants you to use KDE? |
| 00:01.14 | unlink | hmm |
| 00:01.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | (Just joking, God doesn't exist. :)) |
| 00:01.33 | unlink | Dark_Apostrophe: i don't see a vim-kde package ;) |
| 00:02.08 | h3sp4wn | unlink: you are running sid correct ? |
| 00:02.11 | unlink | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 00:02.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why would there be need for one when KDE has an editor like Kate |
| 00:03.03 | h3sp4wn | unlink: Broken dependancies (only option is libbonobo2-0 from experimental) maybe check incoming.debian.org |
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| 00:03.37 | cappiz_ | someone here ever tried to install ubuntu to an encrypted USB-pen? |
| 00:03.53 | unlink | h3sp4wn: i have experimental in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:04.20 | rahul | someone here ever care about ubuntu? |
| 00:04.28 | rahul | survey says: NO |
| 00:04.36 | belkin | need to blank my mini dvd-rw sudo cdrecord dev=/dev/hda/ blank=fast doesnt work , dev/hda on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 any help ? |
| 00:04.43 | h3sp4wn | unlink: aptitude gave me that as a choice - but if I wanted to run gnome I wouldn't use sid |
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| 00:05.06 | boodie | I found myself in beginning with etch without X working, and the only editor available was VI |
| 00:05.15 | unlink | h3sp4wn: thanks, though, installing that package lets me install the other stuff i wanted to |
| 00:05.16 | larsl | Is there any chance that gtkmm 2.10 will be packaged before the Etch release, or is there some sort of freeze in effect? |
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| 00:06.11 | h3sp4wn | unlink: remember that version in experimental is from the next version of gnome (and could seriously mess up stuff) |
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| 00:06.39 | unlink | h3sp4wn: well, the only gnome i'm using is evince and eog |
| 00:07.42 | h3sp4wn | unlink: maybe you would be better to take it all from experimental (and have the evince there) I don't know |
| 00:11.07 | unlink | h3sp4wn: i'll look into it...t hanks |
| 00:12.00 | unlink | h3sp4wn: unstable has 2.16 packages for eog, but 2.14 packages for libbonobo |
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| 00:17.16 | h3sp4wn | unlink: maybe something accidently got uploaded to unstable that was ment for experimental |
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| 00:22.46 | larsl | What's the sources.list line for experimental? |
| 00:23.08 | scarfy | hi |
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| 00:23.50 | HymnToLife | larsl, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib |
| 00:23.56 | h3sp4wn | !experimental |
| 00:23.56 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 00:23.57 | HymnToLife | non-free too if you want |
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| 00:24.40 | larsl | Thanks. I need GTK+ 2.10. |
| 00:24.50 | HymnToLife | larsl, xchat 2.8 ? |
| 00:25.03 | h3sp4wn | larsl: and you will recompile every program that depends on it ? |
| 00:25.13 | belkin | hehe takes 8 min to blank a mini dvd-rw (1.4GB) ? :)))) with growisofs |
| 00:25.42 | larsl | HymnToLife: No, I'm writing some software that uses it. I recently switched from Mandriva 2007, which had it. |
| 00:25.49 | larsl | h3sp4wn: I thought it was ABI compatible? |
| 00:25.58 | scarfy | Hey, i'm trieng to set up my debian server to able to send emails from apache using php. But all i came up with my google's is guides how to set up for local sending of emails and or how to let it recieve email. All these sugesst that SENDING email would just work. I changed the php.ini file to sendmail... but no messages ever seems to reach the recieptent. I don't seem to get any errors and or i don't know where to look. It's my first tim |
| 00:25.58 | scarfy | e i play around with this whole email stuff so i'm clueless.. any hints and help would be hugely apprichiated. |
| 00:26.29 | HymnToLife | well, I tried to install GTK+ 2.10 so I could compile xchat 2.8 but no luck |
| 00:26.37 | HymnToLife | the packages just wouldn't show up in apt |
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| 00:27.18 | h3sp4wn | larsl: Maybe - I wouldn't do that without rebuilding everything else though |
| 00:28.03 | btiffin | scarfy; check out docs on exim package |
| 00:28.36 | scarfy | btiffin, already been there.. it either didn't have what i needed or i just had no clue what it was talking about |
| 00:28.40 | scarfy | well writing anway |
| 00:29.13 | larsl | HymnToLife: Hm, apt-get won't find them here either. I thought 2.10 was in experimental? |
| 00:29.27 | HymnToLife | packages.debian.org says it is |
| 00:29.39 | HymnToLife | but I just couldn't install them with apt either |
| 00:29.54 | HymnToLife | I tried installing them manually but quickly gave up on it |
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| 00:30.30 | btiffin | scarfy; so you are running some form of sendmail? |
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| 00:31.51 | scarfy | btiffin, well as far as i got it so far apache/php need some kind of sendmail and my debian "sendmail" seems to be pointed to exim wich in that case must have some compatibilty layer or something to act as sendmail. |
| 00:32.21 | scarfy | btiffin, but i configured my php.ini for /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 00:33.23 | larsl | Grr, libgtk2.0-0 2.10.7 conflicts with libgnomeui-0 2.14.1. |
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| 00:34.34 | petemc | scarfy: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 00:34.45 | valdyn | scarfy: looked at /var/log/exim4/ yet? |
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| 00:35.11 | scarfy | aaaah i was wondering where he would have his log :D |
| 00:35.13 | scarfy | thanks |
| 00:35.43 | scarfy | " Mailing to remote domains not supported" |
| 00:35.46 | scarfy | hmm |
| 00:35.46 | MrKeuner | hi, there. I am planning to buy a cellular phone. Could anybody recomend me a phone that connects with GNU/Linux and syncs without any problems? |
| 00:35.55 | petemc | scarfy: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 00:38.48 | scarfy | petemc, thanks very much i actually wouldn't have found it without you. thats seems to be it |
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| 00:40.04 | scarfy | petemc, ehm if i don't care about recieving mails just to be able to send mails from this server i should choose "internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP"? i mean even though the server has a dynamic ip.. shouldn't be a problem with sending emails right? |
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| 00:40.33 | petemc | scarfy: some places wont accept mail from a residential connection |
| 00:40.37 | valdyn | scarfy: that's a severe problem, plenty destinations will refuse to take your mail |
| 00:40.43 | scarfy | darn |
| 00:42.05 | amphi | scarfy: relay through another server, like gmail's, for example |
| 00:42.05 | justin | scarfy: if you don't want to receice mails, then you shouldn't pick the one that talks about receiving mails |
| 00:42.05 | scarfy | justin, it talks about recieving AND sending |
| 00:42.05 | petemc | that would be fine, as logn as it only listens on localhost |
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| 00:42.33 | scarfy | petemc, hmm it should.. i sure didn't tell him otherwhise yet... |
| 00:42.57 | petemc | scarfy: it asks you, and the default is localhost |
| 00:43.05 | justin | scarfy: "receiving AND sending" still includes receiving |
| 00:43.15 | pipeline | MrKeuner: Blackberry. Syncs directly with your exchange server for appointments and mail, no need to futz around with your PC. |
| 00:43.25 | scarfy | justin, yes and i don't care if recieving won't work of the 2 |
| 00:43.39 | petemc | justin: you can receive mail is you're not listening on the external interface |
| 00:43.45 | justin | scarfy: then you should pick the option that doesn't mention receiving |
| 00:44.05 | justin | that is the ENTIRE POINT of the question |
| 00:44.06 | petemc | s/can/cant/ |
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| 00:44.34 | mfrisch | Man I just did a marathon install ! |
| 00:44.35 | petemc | justin: no, for his purpose that option is fine |
| 00:44.48 | MrKeuner | pipeline: I would much prefer a simple phone, just one that carries telephone numbers is fine. I would like it to sync the telephone book with evolution or something |
| 00:45.03 | scarfy | petemc, ah ok then it will be alright. in the first phase i only need to send emails to ppl i know personaly so i dynamic ip's beeing blocked shouldn't be a problem so far. Would it help though if i would go over a dinamic dns service? like dyndns? |
| 00:45.09 | justin | petemc: no, it's not. for his purpose the other option which was created exactly for his situation is not only fine, but the only one likely to work right |
| 00:45.36 | petemc | justin: which option is that? |
| 00:45.49 | scarfy | yeah good question |
| 00:45.52 | pipeline | MrKeuner: I don't think any such animal exists. |
| 00:45.52 | valdyn | scarfy: this part of mailing is not standardised, random destinations will react differently to you sending mail, plenty will not relay for you |
| 00:46.05 | petemc | scarfy: your isp should have a machine you can send mail through |
| 00:46.13 | justin | pretty sure there is only one other option that applies |
| 00:46.18 | pipeline | scarfy: valdyn is being really very nice to you. The reality is that most people, in most places, won't accept mail from you. |
| 00:46.36 | pipeline | scarfy: Only crappy chinese ISPs that send spam to begin with will accept your mail. |
| 00:46.43 | pipeline | scarfy: residential IP block = poison. |
| 00:46.53 | mfrisch | scarfy: mine ISP sucks about mail BLOCKED |
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| 00:48.21 | Raging_Hog | I've got Debian and all the toys now and life is good. Only thing is that VMWare Workstation refuses to install because there seems to be some quarrel about which kernel sources are right |
| 00:48.28 | scarfy | hm.. ok so to use a remote server to send my email i should choose "mail sent by smarthost; no local mail" and there can just send to my isp's smtp server? |
| 00:48.40 | justin | scarfy: yep |
| 00:49.00 | valdyn | scarfy: right, but not 'just', most isps require authentication now |
| 00:49.02 | Raging_Hog | tried aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and downloaded sources and untarred them in /usr/src |
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| 00:49.14 | mfrisch | scarfy: you probally need to authenticate with the server |
| 00:49.23 | scarfy | is that hard to configure? |
| 00:49.35 | scarfy | or will it just ask? |
| 00:50.01 | mfrisch | scarfy: look in /doc for exim has authentication how to |
| 00:50.53 | valdyn | dyn-ip users should probably use someting like esmtp, i haven't used it myself though.. |
| 00:51.08 | mfrisch | valdyn: e means encryption |
| 00:51.21 | valdyn | mfrisch: nah |
| 00:51.28 | scarfy | ah ok.. yeah i guess i can take it from here. Thanks alot to all of you for you're help i was really lost. thanks alot |
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| 00:53.01 | amee2k | how can i set up a script (server-side) that is executed when someone uses scp? |
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| 00:53.26 | valdyn | !wayttd amee2k |
| 00:53.26 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, amee2k? |
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| 00:54.02 | amee2k | i#m setting up an account that allows only onescp access and then automagically locks itself again |
| 00:54.02 | blimpdude | !etch |
| 00:54.02 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 00:54.25 | blimpdude | is etch going to be extraordinary? |
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| 00:54.52 | Raging_Hog | etch is really extraordinary. I'm testing it right now |
| 00:54.58 | mfrisch | blimpdude: allready is |
| 00:55.06 | amee2k | any hints? |
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| 00:55.27 | blimpdude | last time i tried it it was seg faulting |
| 00:55.31 | valdyn | amee2k: ~/.bashrc on the server maybe |
| 00:55.39 | blimpdude | but it looked nice when it didnt break |
| 00:55.53 | blimpdude | that was 2 months ago |
| 00:55.56 | valdyn | amee2k: im not sure how exactly scp uses ssh |
| 00:55.59 | blimpdude | its proabably better now... |
| 00:56.28 | valdyn | amee2k: logins are logged in /var/log/auth.log |
| 00:56.54 | Leo_II | hi guys! any hints on where to look when i have firewall-like behaviour but iptables -L doesn't bring up anything specific? |
| 00:56.54 | Raging_Hog | ameek2, could you do a script that uses scp which users should use instead of scp? |
| 00:57.17 | valdyn | Leo_II: beyond that computer |
| 00:57.35 | Leo_II | hmm ... it's a vps at strato |
| 00:57.48 | valdyn | Leo_II: then ask strato |
| 00:57.50 | amee2k | i'm trying to set it up as a security measure, not forconvenience so the solution should be server-sided |
| 00:57.52 | Leo_II | will look there |
| 00:58.26 | capiira | hmmm anyone know if there is a way to mount a drive with different drive name in fstab ? |
| 00:58.31 | Raging_Hog | amee2k, I mean that deny users scp, and allow them a script that uses scp and checks if it's been used already |
| 00:58.40 | blimpdude | capiira, drive name? |
| 00:58.49 | capiira | yeah |
| 00:59.11 | valdyn | amee2k: parse /var/log/auth.log and blacklist people who log in once |
| 00:59.17 | blimpdude | cappiz, so instead of say, mounting /dev/hda you wanna make it /dev/hdb? |
| 00:59.17 | valdyn | amee2k: not yourself ) |
| 00:59.25 | capiira | actually hda3 is mounted to /media/astorage and is showed as astorage |
| 00:59.26 | amee2k | hm... i'll try |
| 00:59.58 | amee2k | i already considered parsing the log but going over the entire auth log with a cronob every minute or so is an overkill |
| 01:00.10 | capiira | hdb1 is mounted to /media/bstorage and showed as 76.3 GB Volume: bstorage |
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| 01:00.21 | amee2k | trapping scp calls is a good idea |
| 01:00.21 | valdyn | amee2k: geez, you wouldnt use a cronjob for that |
| 01:00.26 | capiira | i want to remove the 76 gb |
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| 01:00.29 | Werdna | hey hey |
| 01:00.35 | blimpdude | capiira, ah.... |
| 01:00.46 | blimpdude | capiira, i think gnome handles that |
| 01:00.51 | niles | how can i delete a file with out sending it to the Trash bin ? |
| 01:00.55 | Werdna | I've accidentally (misaimed :() chowned my entire /var directory to www-root. Is there an easy way to restore the proper permissions? |
| 01:00.56 | capiira | hmmm yeah |
| 01:01.00 | blimpdude | niles, shift + del |
| 01:01.04 | capiira | maybe there is a way to force a name |
| 01:01.14 | valdyn | Werdna: restore from backup |
| 01:01.15 | amee2k | man sshd(8), section LOGIN PROCESS, step 8 <<< is that triggered by scp? |
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| 01:02.45 | niles | thanx |
| 01:04.06 | Raging_Hog | So anyone have an idea where to find the kernel sources? I've got very minimal install and nothing on /usr/src seems to be of use |
| 01:04.13 | Werdna | valdyn: no backup available (newish server) - does that mean I need to rebuild it? |
| 01:04.27 | abrotman | Raging_Hog: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 01:04.29 | mfrisch | yup |
| 01:05.05 | Raging_Hog | that command gave me 2.6.18 even tho uname -r gives me 2.6.17-2 |
| 01:05.14 | Raging_Hog | Am I on Twin Peaks? |
| 01:05.59 | liable | wraps even |
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| 01:06.22 | amee2k | run an update to get the latest kernel image? |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | Raging_Hog: you're out of date ... what CPU do you have ? |
| 01:06.38 | Psy-X | yo |
| 01:06.41 | eelmoo | Hi |
| 01:07.15 | Raging_Hog | Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.80GHz |
| 01:07.28 | Raging_Hog | I'll try upgrading then |
| 01:08.08 | Raging_Hog | If I can get out of this plastic wrapping |
| 01:08.24 | Raging_Hog | citsalp gnipparw |
| 01:09.53 | valdyn | Werdna: not necessarily, though restoring all owners in var might aswell be harder |
| 01:09.59 | mfrisch | xlyap whats that |
| 01:10.02 | Psy-X | I'll think about it |
| 01:10.07 | eelmoo | fun |
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| 01:12.37 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 01:12.37 | valdyn | hmm |
| 01:12.37 | valdyn | !test |
| 01:12.37 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 01:12.38 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 01:13.42 | Vme | is there a way to show who is mounting via NFS on my server?? |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | Raging_Hog: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 01:18.20 | pppoe_dude | baby netsplit |
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| 01:19.47 | Vme | is there a way to show who is mounting via NFS on my server?? |
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| 01:25.22 | Raging_Hog | abrotman, I already aptituded an upgrade. We'll see how it turns out |
| 01:25.23 | deadcat | !debian archive |
| 01:25.23 | dpkg | [debian archive] http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:25.44 | resistance | hi guys, i would like to transfer all my user information like usernames and passwords from a centos machine to a debian machine, how can i do this? |
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| 01:26.33 | resistance | is it possible? |
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| 01:27.13 | Raging_Hog | resistance, you could just copy /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow/passwd etc. files but I'm not too sure about it |
| 01:27.17 | itchi | resistance: everything is possible |
| 01:27.24 | itchi | resistance: Look to Bill |
| 01:28.04 | resistance | Bill? |
| 01:28.10 | itchi | resistance: Gates |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | itchi: what are you smoking ? |
| 01:29.02 | itchi | abrotman: Some crap Bill :-) |
| 01:29.41 | abrotman | resistance: your group file might be useful .. but debian uses certain gids etc .. and doesn't start UIDs before 1000 |
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| 01:31.25 | itchi | abrotman: Have read some more stuff about him, his realy not yet right |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | neither are you |
| 01:31.47 | itchi | abrotman: What about you? :-) |
| 01:32.25 | belkin | how do i create a directory and a subdirectory in one command ? mkdir ~dic/subdir ? |
| 01:32.31 | itchi | abrotman: Not tell me that you'r not yet weird ;-) |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | belkin: man mkdir |
| 01:32.55 | belkin | thank you :) |
| 01:32.57 | itchi | belkin: p |
| 01:33.01 | h3sp4wn | belkin: mkdir -p |
| 01:33.09 | belkin | thats it -p |
| 01:33.14 | belkin | h3sp4wn thanks |
| 01:33.22 | itchi | belkin: You want the parent directory automagically created |
| 01:33.24 | Raging_Hog | abrotman, thanks for the tips. I installed the new kernel and I'll test it tomorrow |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:35.43 | Raging_Hog | whatis love |
| 01:35.45 | Raging_Hog | love: nothing appropriate. |
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| 01:36.30 | itchi | abrotman: You know, there is a free way too |
| 01:36.33 | itchi | !shit |
| 01:36.33 | dpkg | methinks shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | itchi: you can .. shut up now :) |
| 01:37.04 | itchi | abrotman: Give me beer and i will :-) |
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| 01:38.36 | duddits | join #gentoo |
| 01:38.46 | itchi | duddits: not do that ;-) |
| 01:38.55 | duddits | sory for typo |
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| 01:41.50 | belkin | i need to install mysql-dev but there are more version, ( libmysqlclient12-dev , libmysqlclient14-dev, libmysqlclient15-dev ) which one do i need then ? |
| 01:42.24 | robin_sz | the one that matches the version of mysql you are running? |
| 01:43.05 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 01:43.06 | itchi | I have wrote a simple python script that work, but when i put it as a cronjob, it does not works. What can be happen? |
| 01:43.33 | belkin | what are the mysql dev package named ? |
| 01:43.35 | bbelt16ag | when i try to reinstall grub after windows is installed it give me the ntoskrnel.exe corrupter or not found error.. any ideas? |
| 01:44.11 | abrotman | apt-cache search -- mysql -dev |
| 01:44.34 | robin_sz | itchi, usually thats sokmeting simple like not being in the directory you think you are in when cron runs |
| 01:45.18 | itchi | This is the little code http://pastebin.ca/323142 , the file is been executable, in crontab -e i have 03,06,09,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36,39,42,45,48,51,54,57,59 * * * * /home/david/bin/bat_stater.py >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 01:45.31 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 01:45.47 | itchi | robin_sz: Is that not yet right ^ ? |
| 01:45.48 | robin_sz | whats wrong with */3 * * * * * |
| 01:45.49 | asg | itchi: you could shorten the first oper to */3 |
| 01:45.54 | charzero | itchi: Why don't you 2>&1 > /var/log/myscript.log to see what is happening? |
| 01:45.59 | ofer0 | what the heck? |
| 01:45.59 | itchi | robin_sz: hhhm, probably better, i dunno |
| 01:46.04 | ofer0 | yeah, use */3 |
| 01:46.16 | itchi | charzero: hhm, also a nice option |
| 01:46.19 | robin_sz | and ... wtf are you sending it to /dev/null before you tested it? |
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| 01:46.30 | itchi | nice, i go for */3 |
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| 01:46.44 | itchi | robin_sz: Because my script work, if i run it |
| 01:46.45 | itchi | ow |
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| 01:47.12 | robin_sz | well, kill that stuff at the end and see what cron emails you with |
| 01:47.29 | robin_sz | its not our fault you pipe the useful error messages to /dev/null |
| 01:48.34 | itchi | robin_sz: Yup, i had not think to that :-) |
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| 01:51.24 | robin_sz | and ... dont you want foo.py 2>&1 > /dev/null ?? |
| 01:52.14 | itchi | robin_sz: Euhm, i dunno :-) |
| 01:52.26 | itchi | robin_sz: kinda complicated that crontab |
| 01:52.39 | robin_sz | so .. what did it mail you? |
| 01:52.49 | itchi | robin_sz: Got nothing :-/ |
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| 01:53.30 | itchi | robin_sz: So i should do */3 * * * * /home/david/bin/bat_stater.py 2>&1 > /home/david/myscript.log ? |
| 01:53.47 | robin_sz | sounds good to me |
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| 01:54.42 | robin_sz | does the script stand alone or depend on some other pythin stuff? |
| 01:55.21 | itchi | robin_sz: It's a very simply script at this stage it use acpi, xosd-bin http://pastebin.ca/323142 |
| 01:55.25 | robin_sz | would (cd /home/david/bin && ./bat_stater.py) be better? |
| 01:55.53 | itchi | robin_sz: ./bat_stater.py works, it display my osd message |
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| 01:56.20 | itchi | Yeah, had removed the power cable of the laptop, battery had reach his end and the game was over |
| 01:56.22 | asg | itchi: then the issue is due to the DISPLAY variable not being correct in the environment the cron job runs in |
| 01:56.47 | itchi | asg: hhm, i can define that in the xosd stuff |
| 01:57.02 | cast | !tell cast about java |
| 01:57.23 | robin_sz | itchi, I need a thing for my car, I wonder if you can help me |
| 01:57.25 | cast | dpkg was ignoring me in pm :\ |
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| 01:57.44 | itchi | I use fluxbox and some wm applets, like wmbattery for the bat status, but want to have somethings printed ala osd, like i had not saw it when he was near empty |
| 01:58.48 | itchi | robin_sz: I want this http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/in-Action/emmanuel-jornada.jpg :-p with debian :-) |
| 01:58.54 | robin_sz | itchi, I need something to help my car move along, I guess I might need about 4 of them one at each corner |
| 02:00.08 | robin_sz | you know, battery alarms are already done quite well ... |
| 02:00.25 | robin_sz | gnome power manager for example |
| 02:00.39 | itchi | robin_sz: Yup, these require some applet or so, build-in in gnome too, but want to run fluxbox, much better |
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| 02:00.50 | robin_sz | better? |
| 02:01.04 | itchi | robin_sz: Many better to be honnest |
| 02:01.14 | robin_sz | but lacking basic functianlity like battery monitoring |
| 02:01.25 | robin_sz | must be a different sort of better |
| 02:01.34 | itchi | robin_sz: Just use the tools there are |
| 02:02.00 | robin_sz | life .. too short for half-complete desktops |
| 02:02.16 | itchi | robin_sz: I not realy need a tool, just want to display osd information when my battery is near empty. Like many apps i run in full screen or maximalised that overlap my wmapplets |
| 02:02.29 | itchi | s/tool/applet/ |
| 02:02.34 | robin_sz | whatever |
| 02:02.37 | amphi | robin_sz: it's a wm not a desktop |
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| 02:02.56 | amphi | itchi: sounds handy |
| 02:02.58 | Sargun | does dpkg have a development channel? |
| 02:03.02 | itchi | Gona change the factoid of fluxbox and set it like irssi :-p |
| 02:03.15 | asg | Sargun: the bot or the utility? |
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| 02:03.27 | itchi | 3th time my laptop have go off, cause of inatention |
| 02:03.28 | Sargun | the utility. |
| 02:03.36 | duddits | is dpkg still a bot in here? |
| 02:03.42 | minerale | Hi, all the sudden my whole drive has gone 'read only' what does that mean ? |
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| 02:03.48 | asg | !botsnack |
| 02:03.48 | dpkg | asg: thanks |
| 02:03.50 | robin_sz | itchi, why not just have it suspend nicely at 5% power? |
| 02:03.52 | asg | dpkg: yep |
| 02:03.52 | dpkg | hmm... yep is WOOOOHOOOO |
| 02:04.00 | asg | duddits: yes |
| 02:04.01 | duddits | -_- |
| 02:04.10 | itchi | robin_sz: yeah, that too ;-) |
| 02:04.12 | amphi | itchi: I have mine suspend to disk if battery gets too low |
| 02:04.38 | minerale | touch: cannot touch `hi': Read-only file system -- in my home directory, what does this mean ? |
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| 02:04.56 | itchi | Need to setup the both, osd and shutdown when highcritical have reach |
| 02:05.09 | asg | minerale: it means that /home is mounted read-only, try 'mount -o remount,rw /home' as root. |
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| 02:05.17 | itchi | minerale: ls -lah /home |
| 02:05.22 | asg | minerale: if /home is on /, then 'mount -o remount,rw / |
| 02:05.25 | itchi | minerale: and look |
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| 02:05.52 | Sargun | SoS is a spammer "<SoS> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos" |
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| 02:05.58 | minerale | ok, even as root I can't touch anything, not even in the home directory, |
| 02:06.15 | duddits | lol |
| 02:06.16 | asg | minerale: then remount it rw |
| 02:06.17 | minerale | itchi: /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw) (mount) |
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| 02:06.37 | minerale | it was working fine, then --- on a whim it became read only |
| 02:06.52 | charzero | minerale: What does it say when you `touch /foo` ? |
| 02:06.55 | itchi | minerale: Is the partition full? |
| 02:07.09 | liable | minerale: umount it run fsck |
| 02:07.27 | minerale | charzero: touch: cannot touch `/foo': Read-only file system, |
| 02:07.30 | minerale | itchi: it's not full |
| 02:07.36 | minerale | this is a remote system too :/ |
| 02:07.50 | asg | minerale: what does 'dmesg' say? Any ugly filesystem error messages? |
| 02:07.51 | liable | check your syslog and see if had errors at boot |
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| 02:07.59 | LunarCrisis | is there a way to wait for a CD to be put into a drive in a shell script? |
| 02:08.42 | charzero | LunarCrisis: mount /media/cdrom and check $? in a loop? |
| 02:08.48 | jelly-home | LunarCrisis: like "put disk 2, then press enter"? |
| 02:08.56 | itchi | How can i define an app to run on display x ? |
| 02:09.14 | LunarCrisis | jelly, I want to do it non-interactively |
| 02:09.20 | asg | itchi: DISPLAY=:X.Y <app to run> |
| 02:09.21 | itchi | Thought that osd_cat had an param to define it, but not :-/ |
| 02:09.32 | amphi | itchi: DISPLAY=foo command should do |
| 02:10.01 | minerale | asg: yeah, http://pastebin.ca/323167 EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal; Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 02:10.01 | LunarCrisis | charzero, that works in this case, thanks =p |
| 02:10.06 | itchi | Can i put that in a script and then run it in a cronjob, without that he modify my $DISPLAY var? |
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| 02:10.21 | minerale | I keep hearing something about unmounting it and running fsck, but if I unmount the filesystem how can I run fsck ? |
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| 02:10.35 | duddits | ... |
| 02:10.36 | charzero | itchi: You are trying to run stuff in X from cron?! |
| 02:10.36 | asg | minerale: then you need to fsck the filesystem. Rebooting would be advised if you have remote console access. |
| 02:10.41 | liable | minerale: is your / ? |
| 02:10.55 | itchi | charzero: osd_cat |
| 02:11.10 | duddits | you can fsck it in another os |
| 02:11.13 | itchi | Gona use the python osd module later, for ver 0.0.2 |
| 02:11.21 | DaveLib | hello i am running etch i had previously installed flashplugin-nonfree and it worked giving me sound for youtube in firefox and sound in secondlife |
| 02:11.34 | jelly-home | itchi: a reminder? |
| 02:11.36 | asg | duddits: he can reboot and fsck it, why would he need some other OS? |
| 02:11.48 | minerale | ok, if I reboot, how do I tell it to fsck ? |
| 02:11.51 | DaveLib | last night i upgraded and it upgrade firefox to iceweasel |
| 02:11.59 | itchi | jelly-home: just some info to show if my battery are to low or in critical |
| 02:12.08 | DaveLib | since then sound doesn't work in iceweasel or secondlife |
| 02:12.11 | duddits | asg, do you mean the single-user? |
| 02:12.26 | itchi | At least DISPLAY=:0.0 /home/david/bin/bat_stater.py works |
| 02:12.29 | asg | minerale: here's the rub. If you don't have remote console access, you are in a bind. If you do, 'touch /forcefsck ; reboot' |
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| 02:12.35 | magic_lotus | Hello |
| 02:12.45 | asg | duddits: or rebooting; it will be fscked if the filesystem is unclean, which it is. |
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| 02:12.46 | jelly-home | itchi: funny, I've installed _something_ that hibernates my machine when battery does critical |
| 02:13.07 | duddits | umm |
| 02:13.12 | itchi | jelly-home: That is for later ;-) |
| 02:13.13 | charzero | itchi: Why do you want it in cron? |
| 02:13.25 | magic_lotus | Somenone knows how can i add news itens to the debian menu panel ... "the thing like start button" |
| 02:13.33 | charzero | itchi: and you are using your users's crontab, /etc/crontab, right? |
| 02:13.47 | magic_lotus | in debian etch |
| 02:13.47 | itchi | charzero: check my bat state every x time, if on battery and if low or critical; show osdmsg |
| 02:14.34 | itchi | I just need some stuff without any applet, show it above everything, so my option is osd i think |
| 02:14.46 | charzero | itchi: you are using your user's crontab? |
| 02:14.54 | itchi | charzero: yes |
| 02:15.04 | DaveLib | i reconfigured flashplugin-nonfree and iceweasel and then reinstalled flshplugin-nonfree but that didnt fix sound in secondlife |
| 02:15.07 | itchi | I have put */3 * * * * DISPLAY=:0.0 /home/david/bin/bat_stater.py 2>&1 > /home/david/myscript.log |
| 02:15.11 | jelly-home | itchi: there's acpi events that can handle that stuff (and invoke scripts)... I don't know how are they used, though. |
| 02:15.12 | itchi | But still not work :-/ |
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| 02:15.14 | charzero | itchi: If you get it to work, let me know, it sounds like a good iea. |
| 02:15.43 | jelly-home | itchi: make it "env DISPLAY=:0.0 ..." |
| 02:15.55 | itchi | charzero: i think, like asg told (i think), it's because of the $DISPLAY var |
| 02:16.59 | itchi | I not need to logout and login back after the crontab -e ? Never mind |
| 02:17.22 | amphi | no |
| 02:17.40 | itchi | thought, i have |
| 02:17.44 | itchi | ow, it work! |
| 02:17.55 | itchi | Got it displaying!! :-) |
| 02:18.00 | itchi | */3 * * * * env DISPLAY=:0.0 /home/david/bin/bat_stater.py 2>&1 > /home/david/myscript.log |
| 02:18.03 | itchi | with that ^ |
| 02:18.26 | dvs | !prize itchi |
| 02:18.31 | charzero | itchi: pastebin bat_starer.py |
| 02:19.07 | itchi | charzero: It's some crap alpha phase right now, i not like to show crap code :-) but if you realy want http://pastebin.ca/323142 |
| 02:19.47 | magic_lotus | Why debian ... |
| 02:19.50 | itchi | charzero: Wait a day or two, i still need to work, it's still a super basic script, like i had got some crontab trouble, i have not yet work many on the code |
| 02:19.52 | asg | !why debian |
| 02:19.52 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 02:19.57 | asg | magic_lotus: ^^^ |
| 02:19.57 | magic_lotus | take off the add menus in etch ... |
| 02:19.57 | magic_lotus | :x |
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| 02:20.52 | magic_lotus | can`t see where the menus are lol |
| 02:21.34 | itchi | charzero: Normally i should use the python's osd module ans such |
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| 02:24.39 | charzero | itchi: osd_cat grinds my system to a crawl |
| 02:25.28 | itchi | charzero: Do echo 'Hello world' | osd_cat --font=-adobe-helvetica-bold-*-*-*-34-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 02:25.38 | LunarCrisis | charzero, actually, the mount thing doesn't work, as mount pulls in the CD tray if it's open |
| 02:25.43 | LunarCrisis | =( |
| 02:26.07 | itchi | charzero: red in the left top corner |
| 02:26.11 | charzero | itchi: I tailed a file that gets written constantly, and my system got really slow. |
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| 02:26.28 | itchi | charzero: aha, yeah, pay attention to what you do :-) |
| 02:26.49 | itchi | charzero: It's not made to display many stuff, just some nice |
| 02:27.22 | itchi | charzero: If you have a opengl game running, and you get some osd message, it slow down the game the time you get your osd msg |
| 02:28.21 | charzero | You wouldn't think such a simple thing would be so slow. |
| 02:28.40 | LunarCrisis | does anyone else know how to wait for a CD to be inserted? |
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| 02:28.48 | itchi | charzero: Here it not slow down, only above opengl apps |
| 02:29.14 | charzero | LunarCrisis: Put a diode in front of the cd tray motor so it won't retract. (: |
| 02:29.17 | itchi | charzero: Used the osd stuff before to on an old 300MHz laptop too, worked fine at that time too |
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| 02:29.29 | itchi | That are too's :-) |
| 02:29.30 | charzero | itchi: It is probably the fault of my stupid ATI drivers then. |
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| 02:29.43 | itchi | charzero: You have tell it ;-) |
| 02:29.47 | jelly-home | itchi: that's because OpenGL and the damage extension don't play well, so OpenGL switches to software more if there are shaped windows visible over it. |
| 02:30.02 | itchi | hhmm |
| 02:30.04 | jelly-home | s/more/mode/ |
| 02:31.01 | charzero | LunarCrisis: maybe somewhere in /proc or /sys you can find out if the drawer is open? |
| 02:31.20 | jelly-home | if xosd can make it's border non-transparent, that might help |
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| 02:32.22 | itchi | jelly-home: I think he can not do it |
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| 02:34.03 | Skrot- | Hi. I've got a LVM-setup with 4 drives. If I mess around with master/slave and which IDE-channel the disks are connected to, will that "destroy" the LVM setup? |
| 02:34.23 | jelly-home | blame crappy OpenGL drivers |
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| 02:35.38 | kisielk_jp | hm, is it possible to get dpkg to ignore a particular file when upgrading a package? |
| 02:35.39 | itchi | Thanks guys! Have again learn some nice things :-) |
| 02:35.46 | kisielk_jp | I have one file that's corrupted that I can't remove or replace |
| 02:35.49 | kisielk_jp | and I have no way to fix that right now |
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| 02:35.51 | Bogus8 | I have four 4.5gig scsi drives on a 866mhz system w/ 512mb ram... gonna use this as a headless server (samba/apache/irssi) no X and this is for personal use so "light use" |
| 02:35.57 | kisielk_jp | so I just want dpkg to ignore it when upgrading this package |
| 02:36.02 | Bogus8 | How should I set up those drives |
| 02:36.17 | Bogus8 | (obviously I'll be sticking in some bigger drivers for MASS storage) |
| 02:36.34 | Bogus8 | sorry three 4.5gig drives |
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| 02:38.29 | itchi | jelly-home: Mean you the 'outline'? |
| 02:39.04 | Bogus8 | come on... I'm asking for opinions... you guys are usually full of them when no one is asking for them :p |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:39.29 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 02:39.54 | Bogus8 | abrotman: was that for me?! |
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| 02:40.30 | cast | just so i've got this straight, tar c / --exclude /tmp WILL include /var/tmp right? |
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| 02:41.35 | itchi | cast: Will it not exclude /tmp?? not /var/tmp |
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| 02:42.30 | cast | 'exclude files matching PATTERN' |
| 02:42.42 | cast | /var/tmp matchs /tmp doesn't it? |
| 02:42.49 | jelly-home | itchi: no, something that would make it a "normal" window, not transparent |
| 02:43.05 | itchi | jelly-home: yup, it not have it :-/ |
| 02:43.07 | jelly-home | itchi: I don't see such an option for osd_cat thought |
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| 02:43.47 | itchi | jelly-home: With the irssi osd plugin i have the same trouble, but it use the same stuff i guess |
| 02:44.04 | Bogus8 | looking for opinions here |
| 02:44.34 | amphi | !opinions |
| 02:44.34 | dpkg | opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your arsehole. Well, maybe both. |
| 02:44.59 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 02:45.31 | jelly-home | Bogus8: do what you want with them, they're going to be slow any way. :-) |
| 02:45.35 | Bogus8 | *rolleyes* yeah usually you can't get people to stop giving them to you :p |
| 02:45.55 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: they are actually pretty fast SCSI drives |
| 02:46.18 | jelly-home | Bogus8: nah, they were fast in 1996. |
| 02:46.39 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: they are still faster than an ide drive |
| 02:47.56 | jelly-home | Bogus8: for random access maybe. for sustained read or write? Don't think they can do 50-60MB/s that a common SATA 7200rpm drive does these days. |
| 02:48.18 | Bogus8 | they were LVD 160MB drivers |
| 02:48.31 | Bogus8 | and 7200rpm's |
| 02:48.37 | Bogus8 | so whatcha got now? |
| 02:48.48 | jelly-home | Bogus8: hdparm, buddy. :-) |
| 02:49.17 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: well, when I get the system up I'll give them to you |
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| 02:49.20 | abrotman | i'll take his scsi over your PATA drives :) |
| 02:49.38 | jelly-home | I won't, need the storage. |
| 02:49.41 | Bogus8 | abrotman: thank you.. geez |
| 02:49.48 | deb_noob | my computer keeps powering off, can anyone help me? |
| 02:50.00 | jelly-home | they might make for a nice system disk. |
| 02:50.04 | Bogus8 | ok, so anyone want to offer an opinion other than sticking their foot in theif mouths? about partitioning these drives? |
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| 02:50.59 | jelly-home | You didn't say you wanted a _useful_ opinion :-> |
| 02:50.59 | belkin | ls wwwdata the user my installation of Apache is running as ? |
| 02:51.02 | deb_noob | does anyone know how to fix a system powering off? |
| 02:51.30 | jelly-home | deb_noob: sounds like a hardware problem |
| 02:51.34 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: I guess you are right |
| 02:51.36 | deb_noob | that never powered off in windows |
| 02:51.43 | deb_noob | no because it never powered off in windows |
| 02:51.52 | Bogus8 | belkin: you tell us.. do a ps aux |grep apache |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | Bogus8: when in doubt .. one big / :) |
| 02:52.40 | belkin | www-data |
| 02:52.42 | belkin | yes |
| 02:52.56 | jelly-home | 4 drives are just enough for a raid10 (or 0+1) :-) |
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| 02:53.05 | Bogus8 | abrotman: hardly any users will be on there... I plan on using one for a /home and at least one for / but I got a 3rd that I'm not sure what to do with |
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| 02:53.18 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: 3 drives (I corrected myself) |
| 02:53.21 | StevegPent3 | Hello, how do i install flash player 9 for iceweasel |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | Bogus8: why? |
| 02:53.32 | StevegPent3 | on etch, of course |
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| 02:53.36 | abrotman | Bogus8: make it raid and one big / |
| 02:54.00 | Bogus8 | raid 0? |
| 02:54.10 | jelly-home | 5, 0 is not raid |
| 02:54.16 | Bogus8 | agreed |
| 02:54.26 | Bogus8 | yeah raid 5 would be nifty |
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| 02:54.46 | Bogus8 | on problem is two are identical 4.6 and the 3rd is 4.3 |
| 02:55.19 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: raid 5 them and use the leftover space as swap |
| 02:55.32 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: that could work |
| 02:55.45 | jelly-home | a small raid1 for the /boot partition on first two, and md devices for other partitions. |
| 02:55.50 | Bogus8 | now I need a guide on raid 5 :D |
| 02:55.51 | jelly-home | s/md/raid5/ |
| 02:56.02 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: or maybe one part as swap and the other for /boot if it's big enough |
| 02:56.03 | MrKeuner | hi, there. I am planning to buy a cellular phone. Could anybody recomend me a phone that connects with GNU/Linux and syncs without any problems? |
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| 02:56.22 | abrotman | or use them as LVM |
| 02:56.48 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I don't really like LVM... one drive dies and you lose evryting |
| 02:57.09 | abrotman | you're the one that suggested raid0 |
| 02:57.18 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
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| 02:57.43 | jelly-home | note that he didn't really suggest it |
| 02:57.53 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I asked... surely wasn't suggesting |
| 02:58.02 | capiira | raid 0 is nice for a temp speedy drive |
| 02:58.09 | Bogus8 | thank you jelly-home ... you are redeaming yourself ;) |
| 02:58.12 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: raid is fairly simple with the debian installer...I manged to figure it out after a few tries all on my own |
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| 02:58.38 | Bogus8 | capiira: agreed... video editing or music production on a raid 0 is nice... just back up to a stable drive ;) |
| 02:58.50 | capiira | yeah |
| 02:58.51 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: cool... I'll give it a go |
| 02:58.55 | capiira | to 5 |
| 02:59.38 | GeorgeS069 | I managed to setup raid 5 with a hot spare:) |
| 02:59.38 | jelly-home | Bogus8: things to note with raid: _never_ use full disk size (you've already found out why, not all 4.5GB disks are created equal, same goes for 36GB, 72GB, etc) |
| 02:59.51 | Bogus8 | yep |
| 03:00.00 | capiira | i have done it in the bios of my scsi controller |
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| 03:01.13 | capiira | 5x72gb :)) |
| 03:01.24 | jelly-home | Bogus8: if you go for redundancy, don't think swap can be left on plain partition (or worse yet, raid0). use raid1 for swap |
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| 03:02.26 | jelly-home | also, make /boot redudant too. Verify your boot loader works if the first disk goes bye-bye |
| 03:02.33 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: would I be able to do I could put the swap on the remaining bit of one of the 4.6 gigs? I don't think I'll actually ever use swap |
| 03:02.57 | GeorgeS069 | I think I read somewhere that swap would use multiple swap partitions like raid 0 anyway so it was pointless to make them into an actual raid |
| 03:03.21 | jelly-home | Bogus8: no, but if you don't care about downtime you can ignore that bit and live with downtime if any disk crashes |
| 03:03.36 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: you mean if the swap is not raided? |
| 03:03.43 | jelly-home | Bogus8: ya |
| 03:04.12 | jelly-home | GeorgeS069: you've got it the wrong way around |
| 03:04.23 | GeorgeS069 | ok |
| 03:04.45 | capiira | hmmmm is there a way to let lvm mount wait for dm-crypt? i always get a error on start becuase of this |
| 03:05.02 | jelly-home | GeorgeS069: yes, it uses your multiple swap partitions separately, but if any one of them goes down, your precious memory pages are lost |
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| 03:05.26 | jelly-home | ie -> kernel panic, I suspect |
| 03:05.49 | Bogus8 | so in doing raid 5, I set that up after I partition the HD's in the install... I can't remember if I passed it up or not but I'm at the partioning stage right nwo |
| 03:05.55 | GeorgeS069 | jelly-home: ok...gives me something to work on now:) |
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| 03:06.41 | GeorgeS069 | should be pretty solid system having a hot spare for the swap:) |
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| 03:06.51 | jelly-home | haven't seen Debian's installer in a while so I can't make any suggestions there |
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| 03:08.20 | jelly-home | GeorgeS069: on a machine with 6 disks (2 hot spares), I've set up two raid1 swap partitions and hope only one disk dies at a time :-) |
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| 03:09.27 | GeorgeS069 | now there's an idea...I'll see if the wife will let me buy 2 more 200gig drives and another ide controller:) |
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| 03:10.42 | deadcat | what is the minimum driver do i need for /dev/dsp to be created? |
| 03:10.53 | deadcat | my server has a webcam but no sound card.. |
| 03:11.39 | jelly-home | deadcat: either an oss sound driver, or an alsa driver with snd-pcm-oss loaded |
| 03:11.39 | capiira | whats better proftpd or vftp ? |
| 03:11.57 | deadcat | jelly-home: do i need any alsa package? |
| 03:13.27 | liable | how can you load sound modules without a sound card? |
| 03:13.39 | liable | or better yet, whats the point? |
| 03:13.40 | jelly-home | deadcat: wait, you have no sound card but want a /dev/dsp? |
| 03:13.52 | deadcat | jelly-home: yes |
| 03:14.04 | jelly-home | deadcat: hmm. Debian default kernel? |
| 03:14.04 | deadcat | jelly-home: the webcam gives me error about not having /dev/dsp |
| 03:14.12 | deadcat | jelly-home: no. 2.6.19.1 |
| 03:14.13 | liable | mknod? |
| 03:14.22 | deadcat | liable: whats the command options? |
| 03:14.35 | jelly-home | deadcat: do you have snd-dummy driver compiled? |
| 03:14.43 | deadcat | jelly-home: nope |
| 03:14.48 | liable | deadcat: nfc, only used a couple of times. |
| 03:14.49 | jelly-home | deadcat: sucks to be you |
| 03:14.59 | deadcat | jelly-home: i need it eh? |
| 03:15.15 | jelly-home | deadcat: if you want something to look like a sound card, yeah |
| 03:15.15 | deadcat | jelly-home: i am gonna recompile. let me see what i need. |
| 03:15.27 | deadcat | roger that |
| 03:15.45 | jelly-home | deadcat: if Debian kernel works on your machine, try it and see if snd-dummy fits the bill |
| 03:16.03 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: to set up the swap as raid... should I specify the file system as physical volume for raid and mkswap later or do I just make them swap now? |
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| 03:16.34 | deadcat | jelly-home: i think the kernel has to be make vmlinux && strip vmlinux && bzip2 vmlinux |
| 03:16.50 | jelly-home | Bogus8: dunno for Debian... last thing I installed was RHEL and it let me specify swap as the file system |
| 03:17.08 | Bogus8 | jelly-home: yeah, it does.. so I can make it raid 1 later? |
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| 03:17.30 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: I would make it raid first then when you build the array specify swap as the fs |
| 03:17.37 | jelly-home | Bogus8: I'd first create the md |
| 03:17.46 | jelly-home | what he said :-) |
| 03:17.52 | capiira | lvm -> volume group --> logical drives -> etx3 or swap |
| 03:17.53 | deadcat | jelly-home: ok. i have OSS PCM do i need RTC Timer Support? |
| 03:17.55 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: that's pretty much where I was thinking but wanted to double check |
| 03:18.18 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: it asks for the fs type when it builds the array |
| 03:18.24 | RxDx | do you guys think that Debian is good for DesktopUsers? |
| 03:18.25 | jelly-home | deadcat: no idea |
| 03:18.28 | Bogus8 | capiira: I'm doing raid not lvm (or are the related?) |
| 03:18.40 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: cool |
| 03:18.44 | capiira | ahh right |
| 03:18.47 | cld2 | anyone have usb to serial converter that works for them in linux? |
| 03:18.48 | HymnToLife | RxDx, certainly, for my desktop at least |
| 03:19.00 | Bogus8 | RxDx: I'm using it as one... but I'm looking for minimal since this is an old laptop |
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| 03:19.25 | jelly-home | RxDx: I'd have to say no for general populace, too many rough edges |
| 03:19.38 | RxDx | i was looking on foruns.. ppl said that Debian is more used for servers |
| 03:19.49 | capiira | maybe raid -> lvm -> volume group --> logical drives -> etx3 or swap ?!?! |
| 03:19.55 | RxDx | them im using ubuntu.. but im thinking to change |
| 03:19.58 | cld2 | RxDx: the thing I like about debian on the desktop is that you only have to set it up once. i used to run gentoo on the desktop and every 6 months a major change would screw me up. with debian once its working thats pretty much it. set it and forget it. use the computer as a desktop not a second job trying to keep it running. |
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| 03:20.08 | capiira | i have done that with encryption |
| 03:20.28 | HymnToLife | RxDx, don't care about what people say, try it for yourself and see it it suits you |
| 03:20.32 | jelly-home | RxDx: it is a good starting point and you could surely customize and configure it to work well enough, then deploy it, if you have time and manpower |
| 03:20.32 | RxDx | cld2: is it easy to configure the system? |
| 03:20.44 | HymnToLife | coming trom Ubuntu, you wn't see much difference anyway |
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| 03:21.03 | capiira | yeah it is |
| 03:21.03 | Bogus8 | capiira: cool |
| 03:21.10 | theearp | the etch install is great for laptops now, it's real easy to get drive encryption |
| 03:21.10 | cld2 | RxDx: depends but for the most part yeah it was easy, using etch that is. Sarge is a little hard I think because of the 2.4 kernel. |
| 03:21.11 | RxDx | cool.. tnx a lot guys =) |
| 03:21.13 | RxDx | ill try it |
| 03:21.26 | capiira | im on linux since 3 weeks |
| 03:21.39 | capiira | and etch was easy with little help here and there |
| 03:21.47 | h3sp4wn | RxDx: Try etch not sarge definately for a desktop |
| 03:22.06 | RxDx | sure =] |
| 03:22.18 | theearp | i agree with h3sp4wn |
| 03:22.22 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: it's telling me to set a root partition :( |
| 03:22.29 | Bogus8 | puts me back at the partitioner |
| 03:22.42 | deb_noob | does anyone know anything about computers just shutting down under linux |
| 03:23.18 | capiira | sound like ACPI power management probs |
| 03:23.37 | deb_noob | capiira, is there a bios setting i can change? |
| 03:23.43 | capiira | dunno |
| 03:23.45 | capiira | hehe |
| 03:23.54 | itchi | deb_noob: cpu to hot?? |
| 03:23.56 | deb_noob | i have it set to s1 |
| 03:23.59 | deb_noob | no |
| 03:24.03 | deb_noob | open case and its cold here |
| 03:24.13 | capiira | and cpu? |
| 03:24.22 | itchi | deb_noob: Deffect hardware, like RAM |
| 03:24.35 | capiira | under linux only ? |
| 03:24.40 | deb_noob | yeah only under linux |
| 03:24.45 | capiira | hmmm |
| 03:24.45 | deb_noob | doesn't happen on windows disk |
| 03:24.46 | itchi | hmm |
| 03:24.53 | itchi | deb_noob: Is that randomly? |
| 03:24.58 | deb_noob | yes |
| 03:25.00 | capiira | is your fan spinning ? |
| 03:25.02 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: It's been almost a year sice I setup my raid so I'm not sure where you are at in the install |
| 03:25.06 | deb_noob | capiira: yes |
| 03:25.15 | capiira | hmmm |
| 03:25.25 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: I tried selecting "physical volume raid" but when I'm done it sends me back |
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| 03:25.37 | deb_noob | i'll seriously pay for help |
| 03:25.43 | capiira | yeah bogus8 |
| 03:25.48 | Bogus8 | anyone else have recent experience setting up a raid 5 for root / |
| 03:25.57 | capiira | then go down to the list select the raid and add lvm to the raid |
| 03:26.12 | Bogus8 | capiira: this is in the installer |
| 03:26.15 | capiira | its how it worked for crypt |
| 03:26.16 | itchi | deb_noob: Get you some messages in your log files? |
| 03:26.20 | capiira | i used the net installer |
| 03:26.27 | deb_noob | itchi, which should i check? |
| 03:26.27 | liable | deb_noob: still having this roblem eh? you say it doesnt happen in windows? |
| 03:26.37 | deb_noob | liable, yes |
| 03:26.44 | itchi | deb_noob: all, like you us not yet know what happend |
| 03:26.44 | deb_noob | i'm about to break down |
| 03:26.47 | abrotman | machine shuts down .. or just powers off ? |
| 03:26.54 | itchi | you > /dev/null |
| 03:26.57 | liable | deb_noob: tried a different kernel? |
| 03:27.03 | deb_noob | it powers off |
| 03:27.09 | deb_noob | i've tried the k7 kernel |
| 03:27.11 | capiira | i created a lvm inside encryption maybe you need to create one inside raid |
| 03:27.19 | deb_noob | ##kernel says i should use k8 but its not in repos |
| 03:27.19 | abrotman | apic? |
| 03:27.27 | deb_noob | apic is set to s1 |
| 03:27.29 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: do you have all 3 partitions setup as raid FS? |
| 03:27.41 | abrotman | apic .. not acpi |
| 03:27.45 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: I think I got it.. there was a new option at the very top that I was over looking |
| 03:27.56 | deb_noob | abrotman: how do i change apic |
| 03:28.10 | capiira | hehe &%$$§" 640x480 :) |
| 03:28.10 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: yeah...should be like RAID setup instead of the other options |
| 03:28.22 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: yep... silly oversight... thanks |
| 03:28.27 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: np |
| 03:28.52 | cyzie | hello, my system time time always goes fast. why si that so ? |
| 03:28.53 | deb_noob | abrotman: do you know how to change apic |
| 03:28.54 | Bogus8 | ext 3 still best option? |
| 03:28.59 | GeorgeS069 | yup |
| 03:29.03 | Bogus8 | cool |
| 03:29.09 | itchi | deb_noob: In your /boot/grub/menu.lst append the line noapic after on the 'kernel' lines on the end |
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| 03:30.00 | capiira | time for a lasagna and go sleep :) |
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| 03:30.23 | itchi | capiira: Not eat before going to sleep, fat guy |
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| 03:30.28 | capiira | 4:29am etch makes hungry |
| 03:30.29 | deb_noob | itchi: all of the lines? |
| 03:30.42 | capiira | hehe im not fat |
| 03:30.45 | Bogus8 | I assume boot flag will be automatic at some point... or grub will take over |
| 03:31.00 | itchi | deb_noob: Yeah there are 2 lines for each kernel version, yes for all diff kernel, but at this stage, do it only for these you use |
| 03:31.09 | hark | capiira: solved the link problem? |
| 03:31.15 | capiira | yeah :) |
| 03:31.19 | capiira | thx :) |
| 03:31.24 | itchi | deb_noob: Apply it only to one line, in case of ... |
| 03:31.24 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8:I'd set / as bootable once it's setup for raid |
| 03:31.33 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: no options for that :( |
| 03:31.36 | deb_noob | itchi: like this? kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-k7 root=/dev/sda1 ro noapic |
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| 03:31.44 | itchi | deb_noob: yes |
| 03:31.49 | deb_noob | and reboot? |
| 03:31.50 | hark | capiira: wait, I |
| 03:31.51 | itchi | deb_noob: wait |
| 03:31.55 | deb_noob | okay |
| 03:32.00 | capiira | yep |
| 03:32.12 | hark | capiira: I'll ask you later, have to rush |
| 03:32.20 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: shit...all comming back to me now....I had made a small,non-raid partition just for /boot and made that bootable |
| 03:32.21 | capiira | okay :) |
| 03:32.25 | itchi | deb_noob: btw add there vga=791 or somethings like that, to get a nicer resulution without x |
| 03:32.37 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: err... what if I didn't do that ;) |
| 03:32.50 | GeorgeS069 | no booty |
| 03:32.54 | capiira | i'm here for the next years :) and don't run away |
| 03:32.55 | Bogus8 | grrr |
| 03:33.02 | GeorgeS069 | sorry |
| 03:33.04 | Bogus8 | their has to be a way |
| 03:33.19 | itchi | deb_noob: Try and let us know if it solve your trouble |
| 03:33.23 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: use one of those leftover spaces on the first drive |
| 03:33.25 | Bogus8 | capiira: any clue? boot flag on raid array? |
| 03:33.40 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: I set that as the raid 1 swap |
| 03:34.02 | GeorgeS069 | crap:( |
| 03:34.05 | deb_noob | brb |
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| 03:34.11 | itchi | deb_noob: On an AMD i need noapic nolapic |
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| 03:34.19 | itchi | shit |
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| 03:35.44 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: the system can't boot from a software raid array becuase it hasn't loaded the module to read it yet so there will have to be something somewhere that is non-raid for /boot so it can load the kernel |
| 03:35.58 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: Ah, you are right |
| 03:36.00 | Bogus8 | hmm |
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| 03:36.16 | GeorgeS069 | sorry dude...I totally forgot about that |
| 03:36.18 | Bogus8 | one drive for swap and the other will be boot... or no swap? |
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| 03:36.32 | deb_noob | itchi: do you use msn or aim so i can contact you if this does not work? |
| 03:36.33 | GeorgeS069 | keep 1 for swap...swap is good |
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| 03:36.46 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: ok, will do |
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| 03:37.07 | azrail | how do i install enlightenment themes ? |
| 03:37.11 | itchi | deb_noob: no, i not use that |
| 03:37.14 | deb_noob | btw what is apic? |
| 03:37.17 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: try to put /boot on the first drive |
| 03:37.24 | Bogus8 | roger |
| 03:37.25 | abrotman | !apic |
| 03:37.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
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| 03:38.06 | deb_noob | is apic video related? |
| 03:38.08 | itchi | deb_noob: Have you not test it right now? |
| 03:38.21 | deb_noob | i can do some things to test it but they aren't for sure a test |
| 03:38.24 | deb_noob | it happens at random |
| 03:38.24 | itchi | deb_noob: On an AMD i need noapic nolapic |
| 03:38.43 | deb_noob | should i add nolapic to that menu.lst? |
| 03:38.44 | GeorgeS069 | same here...noapic nolapic |
| 03:38.52 | itchi | deb_noob: yup |
| 03:39.04 | deb_noob | itchi were you getting shutdown problems ever? |
| 03:39.12 | deb_noob | or poweroff probelms i mena |
| 03:39.16 | deb_noob | problems* |
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| 03:39.45 | itchi | deb_noob: I not have anymore that trouble right now, had that too, in the begin, but have added these stuff to the menu.lst and solved it |
| 03:40.04 | deb_noob | oh sweet |
| 03:40.07 | deb_noob | i hope this fixes it |
| 03:40.13 | deb_noob | itchi thank you for helping me |
| 03:40.17 | deb_noob | i hope this solves it |
| 03:40.21 | deb_noob | should i reboot again? |
| 03:40.33 | deb_noob | after nolapic is added? |
| 03:40.58 | itchi | deb_noob: yes |
| 03:41.04 | deb_noob | brb |
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| 03:41.44 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: try to remember that raid 5 is NOT a substitute for good backups |
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| 03:42.14 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: yeah, I'm running on a single disk setup now... just updating from FC3 to something current and had these 3 drives laying around |
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| 03:42.35 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: having issues removing that raid partition >:| |
| 03:42.53 | mo1991 | in debian etch I have installed crossover office 5 - installed fine but did not add the menu's to the start menu. The crossover menu's do show up in alacarte, but not in the actual menu - any ideas? |
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| 03:43.29 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: probably easier to just wipe the drives and start over...make the /boot the first part on the first drive and then go from there |
| 03:43.37 | itchi | mo1991: Is that packaged for debian? |
| 03:43.46 | Bogus8 | not even sure I can do that |
| 03:43.57 | deb_noob | itchi: would this vga=791 cure poweroffs as well? |
| 03:44.18 | liable | no |
| 03:44.28 | itchi | deb_noob: No, it give you a better resolution, default it is 640x480 when he boot up |
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| 03:44.34 | mo1991 | itchi - yes - it did install the menu's in sarge - also, it is in the alacarte menu editor in etch but does not show up in the menu |
| 03:44.37 | deb_noob | is the k7 kernel or the 686 kernel faster |
| 03:44.41 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: you should be able to clear the drives from the partitioning menu |
| 03:44.51 | cast | does anyone know how to tarball / but exclude /var? |
| 03:44.51 | deb_noob | oh thanks itchi |
| 03:44.59 | itchi | mo1991: That crossover stuff, is that packaged? |
| 03:44.59 | GeorgeS069 | might need to reboot after that to make the changes perm |
| 03:45.01 | deb_noob | itchi: did you do anything else to cure your shutdown problems? |
| 03:45.03 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: yeah, you would think ;) |
| 03:45.10 | itchi | deb_noob: No, just that |
| 03:45.12 | sid | Nice some maintainer + ftp master fucked up today. Anyone tried doing a dist-upgrade on sid recently today and use gnome? |
| 03:45.18 | deb_noob | how long has it been since it happened? |
| 03:45.40 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: finally got it |
| 03:45.42 | itchi | deb_noob: Maybe some weird usb stuff connected? Unplug all your usb stuff to test |
| 03:45.50 | mo1991 | itchi - yes it's a .deb |
| 03:46.01 | Hunnur | Gnome went away |
| 03:46.04 | deb_noob | usb mouse and usb keyboard? |
| 03:46.17 | itchi | deb_noob: Should be not a trouble, mostly scanners |
| 03:46.17 | GeorgeS069 | cool |
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| 03:46.44 | deb_noob | i love you itchi |
| 03:46.48 | itchi | deb_noob: You have been add the noapic nolapic on the kernel line you use? |
| 03:46.56 | deb_noob | yes |
| 03:46.59 | itchi | deb_noob: I not :-p |
| 03:47.18 | itchi | deb_noob: Work it right now? |
| 03:47.33 | deb_noob | yeah hasn't shut down yet |
| 03:47.43 | capiira | maybe later ;) |
| 03:47.43 | itchi | deb_noob: Wait, and you see ;-) |
| 03:47.57 | itchi | deb_noob: Love the guy who told me that some years back ;-) |
| 03:48.22 | deb_noob | you haven't had the problem in years? |
| 03:48.25 | capiira | or maybe you just got hacked and someone is shuting down your system for fun :) |
| 03:48.40 | itchi | deb_noob: yup |
| 03:48.56 | itchi | deb_noob: Near 2 years i think, it's now near 2 years it runs Debian |
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| 03:49.35 | struktur5 | i heard that yahoo can give users' passwords to the police if they need them. but normally they can't see the passwords because they're encrypted, what do you think ? |
| 03:49.46 | itchi | deb_noob: I think it's near a year now that the amd have no more used his crap XP :-) |
| 03:49.53 | capiira | lol |
| 03:49.58 | sid | !tell struktur5 about ot |
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| 03:50.31 | capiira | just dont use yahoo :) |
| 03:50.40 | capiira | ok night im tired |
| 03:50.47 | struktur5 | night |
| 03:50.49 | cableguy | what's yahoo? |
| 03:51.01 | itchi | cableguy: You not want to know, im sure |
| 03:51.08 | cableguy | oh |
| 03:51.21 | cableguy | is yahoo a peachy? |
| 03:51.36 | capiira | a sect fits more ;) |
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| 03:52.24 | itchi | deb_noob: Usually, after how long time it to rebooted before? |
| 03:52.52 | itchi | Yeah, i'm near to go to sleep :-) |
| 03:52.59 | cableguy | oh |
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| 03:53.08 | itchi | s/to/go/ |
| 03:54.03 | Bogus8 | is there a way to make the "bell" in ssh play a file on the client side? |
| 03:54.13 | cableguy | itchi, are you beginning to count cheep? |
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| 03:54.35 | cableguy | s/cheep/sheep |
| 03:54.55 | itchi | cableguy: :-p |
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| 03:55.02 | cableguy | hehe |
| 03:55.10 | itchi | cableguy: Need to go to family, so better that i'm a bit fit ;-) |
| 03:55.28 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: not sure but,you could have a look in /etc/sshd.conf |
| 03:55.57 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: hmm.. wouldn't it be on ssh.conf since it's cleint side that I need to interpret |
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| 03:56.06 | GeorgeS069 | yeah..sorry |
| 03:56.34 | itchi | deb_noob: Still not rebooted? |
| 03:56.40 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: no prob.. I hadn't even thought that far ;) |
| 03:57.12 | GeorgeS069 | I know you can do it in putty |
| 03:57.33 | Bogus8 | yep... this is my first X system in the 2 years of linux ;) |
| 03:58.18 | Bogus8 | pentium 866.. I should install 686 kernal right? |
| 03:58.31 | GeorgeS069 | you're on your own with X...I don't use it on my debian systems |
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| 03:58.57 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: haha.. different system... X is on my old 600mhz laptop |
| 03:59.24 | Bogus8 | GeorgeS069: debian is good for this since I can keep it small and only what I need |
| 03:59.44 | fbsduser | I installed the netinst cd, and it doesnt support my network card. it doesnt install gcc either so I cant patch the kernel and re-build it to support my network card. What should I do? I dont want to install knoppix nor ubuntu. I just want Debian! |
| 03:59.54 | abrotman | fbsduser: which NIC ? |
| 04:00.00 | GeorgeS069 | I'm not sure about which kernel to use...I probably have the wrong one on my systems:) |
| 04:00.15 | fbsduser | Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 04:00.19 | deadcat | my hda has hda1 (/), hda2 (swap), once the systemis installed. can i dd if=/dev/hda1 of=backup, when shit fuckes up. can i dd if=backup of=/dev/hda1 ? as long as the partition size are the same? what if partition size is a bit off? |
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| 04:00.39 | justin | fbsduser: weren't you told how to fix that hours ago? |
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| 04:01.00 | fbsduser | when I tried fixing it, I noticed it doesnt have gcc/make |
| 04:01.06 | fbsduser | so.. I cant fix it the way you said... |
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| 04:01.26 | justin | I wasn't aware that anyone told you to compile anything |
| 04:01.36 | GeorgeS069 | fbsduser: did you try the sk98 nic driver? |
| 04:01.50 | fbsduser | GeorgeS069: to do that I need to re-compile the kernel |
| 04:01.54 | GeorgeS069 | NOPE |
| 04:01.54 | fbsduser | and I dont have gcc... |
| 04:02.20 | subzero800 | anyone: I just got my printer working, but the margins are incorrect and text overlaps in OpenOffice, any ideas? |
| 04:02.22 | GeorgeS069 | sorry bout the caps...shift key stuck |
| 04:02.48 | jelly-home | fbsduser: does the skge driver not work for you? |
| 04:03.03 | fbsduser | jelly-home: not the one that comes with the 2.6 kernel |
| 04:03.51 | jelly-home | fbsduser: running stable? |
| 04:03.55 | fbsduser | yes |
| 04:04.06 | fbsduser | jelly-home: netinst |
| 04:04.23 | jelly-home | fbsduser: you might want to try custom installer images with a newer kernel |
| 04:04.32 | fbsduser | ok |
| 04:04.37 | jelly-home | lemme look up that guy which makes them |
| 04:04.44 | fbsduser | thanks a lot jelly-home |
| 04:05.00 | justin | fbsduser: you were told to use the custom installer images hours ago.... |
| 04:05.12 | abrotman | i told him! |
| 04:05.13 | fbsduser | justin: maybe I left |
| 04:05.19 | fbsduser | sorry, I didnt read that |
| 04:05.27 | jelly-home | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 04:05.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm ... |
| 04:05.36 | jelly-home | fbsduser: that http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm link |
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| 04:06.24 | fbsduser | thanks guys |
| 04:06.59 | jelly-home | oh well, guess it didn't take the first time :-| |
| 04:07.12 | justin | doesn't etch have that kernel too? etch might be less work at this point |
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| 04:07.27 | jelly-home | justin: might being the keyword |
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| 04:07.51 | itchi | Notorious: Sleep troubles? |
| 04:07.58 | cableguy | me? |
| 04:08.00 | itchi | Notorious: :-p |
| 04:08.03 | GeorgeS069 | I used one of those net installs and it was pretty simple |
| 04:08.44 | itchi | Notorious: us have #debian-nl too, some time it's kinda nice there. Go you to the FOSDEM in Brussels? |
| 04:08.57 | sid | watch out for unstable dist-upgrade |
| 04:08.59 | sid | Don't let this package: libgnomevfs2-common; be upgraded. |
| 04:09.02 | cableguy | where is .nl? |
| 04:09.12 | sid | !nl |
| 04:09.12 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 04:09.29 | cableguy | oh |
| 04:09.30 | Ilovemypuppy | WHOAH |
| 04:09.34 | cableguy | !cx |
| 04:09.35 | dpkg | somebody said cx was Christmas Island |
| 04:09.44 | Ilovemypuppy | tell me he didnt post that |
| 04:10.00 | itchi | cableguy: Belguim have 3 official languages, Dutch, French and German |
| 04:10.06 | Ilovemypuppy | if thats a regular word in dutch, im moving to amsterdam |
| 04:10.12 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 04:10.12 | itchi | belgium* |
| 04:10.16 | cableguy | have you heard a place called "sealand"? |
| 04:10.36 | Ilovemypuppy | can you function in Amsterdam if you only speak english? living there? |
| 04:10.47 | Ilovemypuppy | I can learn dutch but itll take a bit |
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| 04:11.02 | Ilovemypuppy | itd be a couple of weeks before I got out of the brothels |
| 04:11.04 | struktur5 | hello abrotman |
| 04:11.10 | itchi | cableguy: Zeeland |
| 04:11.17 | jelly-home | Ilovemypuppy: :-)) |
| 04:11.21 | abrotman | struktur5: got a problem ? |
| 04:11.22 | cableguy | Sealand... |
| 04:11.33 | struktur5 | abrotman : a problem with what |
| 04:11.52 | itchi | cableguy: Zeeland! ;-) It's Dutch :-p |
| 04:12.00 | cableguy | hahaha |
| 04:12.08 | itchi | cableguy: Look on google image or so |
| 04:12.25 | cableguy | is Piratebay on the Sealand? |
| 04:12.33 | abrotman | guys .. OT ... |
| 04:13.23 | struktur5 | abrotman : found a boyfriend yet ? |
| 04:13.36 | abrotman | !ops struktur5 is trolling |
| 04:13.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: struktur5 is trolling |
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| 04:14.01 | cableguy | dpkg, you are ok? |
| 04:14.02 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, cableguy |
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| 04:14.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@86.69.135.147] by mentor |
| 04:14.31 | sid | What is up with this troll struktur5. Been doing this all day? |
| 04:14.33 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 04:14.41 | abrotman | sid: we just had to kick him from #-ot |
| 04:14.45 | *** kick/#debian [struktur5!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (He's mine bitch) |
| 04:14.50 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 04:14.54 | liable | haha |
| 04:14.59 | abrotman | mentor: lovely comment :) |
| 04:15.05 | liable | nice comment |
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| 04:15.17 | hark | !confuse cableguy |
| 04:15.17 | dpkg | Yes, where are your hamster yesterday, cableguy? lederhosen of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 04:15.35 | deadcat | my hda has hda1 (/), hda2 (swap), once the systemis installed. can i dd if=/dev/hda1 of=backup, when shit fuckes up. can i dd if=backup of=/dev/hda1 ? as long as the partition size are the same? what if partition size is a bit off? |
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| 04:16.20 | SvenG | good morning |
| 04:16.31 | itchi | SvenG: You quick for a sunday ;-) |
| 04:16.37 | SvenG | sure am :) |
| 04:16.40 | jetscreamer | deadcat: yeah cept it's not partition size but freespace on the first part ofthe hd |
| 04:16.57 | SvenG | anyone got time to solve a dependency problem? |
| 04:17.00 | jetscreamer | well if it's not free it will be overwritten that is |
| 04:17.07 | deadcat | jetscreamer: what would happen to the freespace? |
| 04:17.16 | abrotman | SvenG: just ask |
| 04:17.29 | mentor | grrr |
| 04:17.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 04:17.52 | abrotman | mentor: what'd you break ? |
| 04:17.54 | deb_noob | whats wrong? |
| 04:17.58 | SvenG | ok... here goes: i am updating an old installation of knoppix 3.7 - and now i am stuck with a dependency with xutils x11-common :-/ |
| 04:18.09 | abrotman | SvenG: you should ask #knoppix |
| 04:18.11 | mentor | power-manager is having delusions over who is in control of this copmuter |
| 04:18.20 | SvenG | "apt-get -f install" wont help |
| 04:18.25 | abrotman | mentor: kickban it! |
| 04:18.26 | sid | hmm, what is up with the gnome movie player. For the first 10 seconds of some movie it doesn't let me fast forward. lame. mplayer lets me fast forward. Why is totem movie player implementing lame non-freeish specifications from the MPAA in debian |
| 04:18.41 | SvenG | abrotman: at this time of day? ;) |
| 04:18.52 | dendrite | SvenG: We have no idea about #knoppix. |
| 04:18.53 | mentor | abrotman: So far ahead of you |
| 04:18.54 | abrotman | SvenG: it's always daytime somewhere .. |
| 04:18.59 | abrotman | mentor: hehe |
| 04:19.05 | dendrite | SvenG: Or about knoppix, for that matter. |
| 04:19.22 | SvenG | um.. knoppix is based on dbian, isnt it? |
| 04:19.34 | dendrite | SvenG: Yeah, but it isn't debian. |
| 04:19.36 | Bogus8 | is there a place you can find out what "standard system" on the cd contains? |
| 04:19.45 | dendrite | SvenG: So it's like asking about cakes, in #eggs. |
| 04:19.46 | jetscreamer | !based on |
| 04:19.46 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 04:19.57 | abrotman | SvenG: we could give you a command useful for debian that could mess up your knoppix install |
| 04:20.01 | hark | !ubuntusmite SvenG |
| 04:20.35 | jetscreamer | H2SO4 |
| 04:20.46 | SvenG | okok folks... |
| 04:20.48 | dendrite | SvenG: Drinking might help. |
| 04:20.55 | SvenG | i *am* drinking already!! |
| 04:20.58 | abrotman | SvenG: you could install debian!!! |
| 04:21.09 | itchi | SvenG: You just waked up and already drink :-) |
| 04:21.29 | Bogus8 | actually it wouldn't be based on CO2 since it's only 1 oxygen... CO2 would be based on CO ;) |
| 04:21.31 | SvenG | so.. how do i change this knoppix on my disk to a pure debian[tm] without blasting away all my personal data? |
| 04:21.46 | xabbott | SvenG, do you have a seperate /home partition? |
| 04:21.51 | itchi | SvenG: Backup your stuff?? |
| 04:21.52 | SvenG | yep! |
| 04:21.55 | SvenG | weeeeeeeeellllllllll |
| 04:22.00 | dendrite | Bogus8: Unless knoppix has taken things out that were in debian... |
| 04:22.14 | cableguy | is knoppix still alive? |
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| 04:22.16 | Bogus8 | dendrite: I'm stricly speaking about CO vs CO2 ;) |
| 04:22.18 | jetscreamer | the sysv stuff is different |
| 04:22.19 | xabbott | SvenG, well you could probably use that same home partition and not lose your data. |
| 04:22.27 | dendrite | Bogus8: So am I. |
| 04:23.00 | Bogus8 | dendrite: to be BASED off of something it has to be built on it... you have to have CO before you can have CO2 |
| 04:23.18 | itchi | SvenG: Why the heck have you install Knoppix while Debian is at least 10 times better? :-) |
| 04:23.22 | dendrite | Bogus8: No, I don't see that something has to be a superset to be based on that thing. |
| 04:23.36 | xabbott | itchi, cause it has a live cd probably |
| 04:23.40 | jelly-home | itchi: it's trivially easy to install Knoppix. |
| 04:23.40 | itchi | SvenG: It's just a useful live cd when some shit happend |
| 04:23.54 | Bogus8 | dendrite: at some point it is CO before it is CO2 |
| 04:23.58 | itchi | jelly-home: Debian not?? :-) |
| 04:23.58 | dendrite | Bogus8: By your analogy, you'd include the shells in an omlette. |
| 04:24.08 | jelly-home | itchi: correct |
| 04:24.15 | xabbott | itchi, not sarge. |
| 04:24.20 | xabbott | etch is easy though |
| 04:24.22 | Bogus8 | dendrite: sorry didn't get that |
| 04:24.41 | Bogus8 | an omlette is based on an egg.. an egg is not based on an omlette |
| 04:24.43 | itchi | xabbott: You tell about the new GUI installer i guess, what's wrong with the tui? |
| 04:25.01 | dendrite | Bogus8: And yet an omlette has *less* than complete eggs... |
| 04:25.02 | xabbott | itchi, the new installer? nothing is wrong with it. I just said it was easy. |
| 04:25.13 | itchi | xabbott: tui too, realy |
| 04:25.15 | Bogus8 | dendrite: I see what you are saying about taking away the shell... I'm just saying that the root would be CO in real world.. but I get the analogy |
| 04:25.18 | xabbott | itchi, but a lot of new people end up getting sarge. |
| 04:25.36 | icicled | yes, but that's what the docs are for =] |
| 04:25.47 | icicled | testing - contains new software |
| 04:25.50 | icicled | stable - tried and true |
| 04:25.50 | itchi | xabbott: I'm sure my mother could install it, maybe just suck a bit on the exim question, but that's all |
| 04:25.53 | Bogus8 | dendrite: still say it should be CO2 based on CO but then the analogy would fail |
| 04:26.02 | xabbott | I don't care about installers, which is why I use Arch now. :P |
| 04:26.15 | dendrite | Bogus8: The horse is dead. |
| 04:26.15 | icicled | i used to use Arch, i switched =] |
| 04:26.16 | Bogus8 | is there a place you can find out what "standard system" on the cd contains? |
| 04:26.22 | hark | when there isn't enough O2 you get CO, else CO2 |
| 04:26.28 | hark | nm |
| 04:26.36 | xabbott | icicled, oh why? |
| 04:26.46 | Bogus8 | dendrite: already moved on... you should catch up ;) |
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| 04:26.53 | icicled | xabbott, not enough packages out of the box for server-related software |
| 04:27.10 | icicled | no Xen/openvz packages |
| 04:27.16 | xabbott | icicled, ah, true. Also I don't know if rolling release would be good for a server. |
| 04:27.29 | hark | Bogus8: tasksel could tell you |
| 04:27.48 | deb_noob | is firefox now called iceweasel? |
| 04:27.50 | Bogus8 | hark: is that a person, bot, website ;) |
| 04:27.50 | jelly-home | So take all O2 and replace it with O3 in !ubuntusmite, that would work |
| 04:27.50 | icicled | yea, arch is nice for desktop purposes |
| 04:27.52 | abrotman | deb_noob: yes |
| 04:27.58 | cableguy | lol |
| 04:28.01 | xabbott | deb_noob, in etch? last I checked...no. |
| 04:28.04 | icicled | pacman is almost as good as apt-get =] |
| 04:28.06 | xabbott | It's in unstable though. |
| 04:28.20 | deb_noob | but the icon didn't change |
| 04:28.24 | deb_noob | its still a fox |
| 04:28.34 | itchi | deb_noob: Still not rebooted? |
| 04:28.36 | stew | !info iceweasel etch |
| 04:28.38 | cableguy | does it mean it's the time to leave ff? |
| 04:29.05 | GeorgeS069 | Bogus8: it's a cli program |
| 04:29.05 | stew | huh? |
| 04:29.11 | hark | Bogus8: man tasksel (--list-packages or similar) |
| 04:29.11 | stew | iceweasel is in etch |
| 04:29.22 | xabbott | stew, when did that happen? |
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| 04:29.33 | itchi | stew: Yes, sinds some days it is now |
| 04:29.35 | Bogus8 | hark: I know on this laptop I didn't chose desktop enviroment but X was installed anyway.. I don't want X on this system so I'm tempted to remove "Standard system" in hopes to prevent that |
| 04:29.44 | stew | xabbott: the 18th |
| 04:29.50 | stew | xabbott: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html |
| 04:29.57 | Bogus8 | hark: GeorgeS069 cool.. I'll check it out |
| 04:30.00 | icicled | iceweasel = firefox - firefox logo + debian logo |
| 04:30.02 | xabbott | stew, nice. Is it still using the green+white icon? |
| 04:30.10 | icicled | yea it is |
| 04:30.14 | cableguy | well, is seamonkey still continue? |
| 04:30.21 | stew | cableguy: iceape |
| 04:30.30 | cableguy | ... |
| 04:30.34 | xabbott | I haven't booted into Etch in awhile. I was using iceweasel from unstable. |
| 04:30.46 | itchi | deb_noob: The new firefox have some nice features, like a spell corrector in the text fields |
| 04:31.10 | mfrisch | any pointer on getting a Intel 82801DB-ICH4 sound chip to work...alsa sees it and the mixer says everythings up. Xmms says there's no device. |
| 04:31.17 | cableguy | +spyware/adware? |
| 04:31.24 | abrotman | mfrisch: tell xmms to use alsa |
| 04:32.11 | cableguy | iirc, xmms can use whatever oss,alsa or esd... |
| 04:32.26 | abrotman | it can .. if you have those setup |
| 04:32.38 | cableguy | why not? |
| 04:32.49 | cableguy | o.o |
| 04:32.55 | mfrisch | abrotman: tried. Its a dell new build for "newbies" I was amazed I got X to work. I am about to put a sound card in it |
| 04:33.18 | cableguy | xmms even can use mp4 |
| 04:33.30 | abrotman | mfrisch: you tried the various xmms output plugins ? |
| 04:33.42 | Bogus8 | hark: I've read the man file and I'm not getting how to use this tasksel... I'm assuming --task-packages but not getting anything |
| 04:34.13 | cld2 | Bogus8: you need to give the option of what task you want to see the list of packages for |
| 04:34.14 | mfrisch | abrotman: there no devices listed when I go through them just default. |
| 04:34.22 | cld2 | like tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 04:34.29 | abrotman | mfrisch: huh ? |
| 04:34.40 | Bogus8 | cld2: it's "standard system" I tried that... either doesn't like quotes or spaces or both |
| 04:34.45 | mfrisch | abrotman: they "traded" for a p4 2.2 and it came with 128 mb of ram ;-) |
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| 04:34.59 | itchi | mfrisch: Have you restart xmm after doing the change? |
| 04:35.02 | cld2 | Bogus8: are you looking for the contents of the standard task? |
| 04:35.13 | bbelt16ag | what the heck is iceweasel and how the heck do i get rid of the mofo? |
| 04:35.15 | Bogus8 | cld2: standard system... yes |
| 04:35.26 | cld2 | Bogus8: tasksel --task-packages standard |
| 04:35.26 | mfrisch | abrotman: itchi it not only the sound in xmms |
| 04:35.36 | icicled | bbelt16ag, <icicled> iceweasel = firefox - firefox logo + debian logo |
| 04:35.39 | Bogus8 | cld2: ok, thought I needed the full name |
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| 04:35.49 | cld2 | but then you have to get the --task-packages list for ~pstandard ~prequired and ~pimportant |
| 04:35.50 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, apt-get remove? |
| 04:35.52 | icicled | bbelt16ag, apt-get remove iceweasel |
| 04:35.58 | hark | Bogus8: list the tasks first ( iirc it's desktop) |
| 04:36.14 | Bogus8 | hark: desktop is seperate |
| 04:36.31 | Bogus8 | cld2: now what do I do with those results? |
| 04:36.37 | cld2 | Bogus8: the standard task just contains 3 meta packages. i have the list of all 205 unique packages that the "standard" task installs if you would like it. |
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| 04:36.42 | mfrisch | abrotman: if you goto the alsa settings you can see the cards being seen. I have default and two others on my box |
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| 04:36.52 | cld2 | Bogus8: what are you trying to do? install the standard task? |
| 04:36.56 | abrotman | mfrisch: alsa-mixer .. turn all the levels all the way up |
| 04:37.05 | bbelt16ag | i just want a firefox that will work |
| 04:37.09 | Bogus8 | cld2: well, actually does it come w/ X .. if so can I install w/o selecting "standard"? |
| 04:37.13 | bbelt16ag | it says another is running but that is rubbish |
| 04:37.32 | cld2 | Bogus8: standard task does not contain and x server, a few x libs and x11-common but no x server |
| 04:37.34 | bbelt16ag | so i cant even use it |
| 04:37.39 | cld2 | Bogus8: the desktop task contains X |
| 04:37.55 | Bogus8 | cld2: hmm I didn't install desktop on this laptop but it had X |
| 04:37.55 | itchi | mfrisch: Maybe it is mutted, press 'm' to mutt/unmutt |
| 04:38.01 | bbelt16ag | why the those maintainers have to make my life so hard for? |
| 04:38.12 | mfrisch | abrotman: I am a moron. I need to add them to audio still right? |
| 04:38.25 | cld2 | Bogus8: did you install laptop? |
| 04:38.26 | itchi | mfrisch: yes, and logout/login |
| 04:38.27 | hark | Bogus8: the base does not contain X. Just skip tasksel. |
| 04:38.31 | abrotman | mfrisch: yes |
| 04:38.45 | Bogus8 | cld2: umm... can't recall.. I know I wanted to keep it minimal since it's an older laptop |
| 04:38.56 | cld2 | Bogus8: so what are you trying to do ? |
| 04:39.10 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, huh? It's probably more Firefox than Iceweasel's fault. |
| 04:39.20 | Bogus8 | cld2: create a "server" no head end... don't need X .. just ssh and apt-get to start really |
| 04:39.25 | Bogus8 | I can get the rest as I need |
| 04:39.31 | bbelt16ag | well how do i kill what is causing the problem or atlest what the heck is going on |
| 04:39.36 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, or some poorly written extension |
| 04:39.41 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 04:39.43 | cld2 | Bogus8: the minimal install plus and apt-get install openssh-server will do what you want then |
| 04:39.43 | SvenG | alright.. i have considered my options here. i guess i'll backup my /home - and then i'd like to do a fresh install of debian here. can you install a debian via an adsl line - without haveing to download a ton of CDs and brun them first? |
| 04:39.57 | abrotman | !d-i SvenG |
| 04:39.57 | dpkg | SvenG, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:39.58 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, kill all firefox processes? |
| 04:39.58 | bbelt16ag | its a fresh system i got no extensions except what might of been in stalled as default |
| 04:40.00 | icicled | SvenG, yes, get the netinstall of etch |
| 04:40.05 | bbelt16ag | i have tried that.. |
| 04:40.07 | bbelt16ag | it does not work |
| 04:40.07 | Bogus8 | cld2: so I can just uncheck all these options at "software selection" |
| 04:40.26 | icicled | ps ax | grep firefox # then kill -9 them =] |
| 04:40.29 | SvenG | icicled: tell me how? url to doc maybe? |
| 04:40.37 | cld2 | Bogus8: yes, you dont need to install anything after the "do you want to use a mirror" portion of the install and the system will work as a server brilliantly. |
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| 04:40.58 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, use epiphany? heh. |
| 04:41.07 | bbelt16ag | epiphany whats that |
| 04:41.09 | Bogus8 | cld2: thanks a bunch... that's what I needed.. to me THAT is the base system |
| 04:41.12 | icicled | SvenG, take a look at the second link that dpkg listed |
| 04:42.12 | icicled | just d/l that ISO, boot off it and do a network install |
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| 04:42.13 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, gnome's web browser. It uses gecko too. |
| 04:42.13 | icicled | time for CSS |
| 04:42.13 | maher | is anyone the proud possessor of a nokia n800 and prepared to answer my stupid questions about it? |
| 04:42.13 | bbelt16ag | oh ok |
| 04:42.14 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, apt-get install epiphany-browser I believe |
| 04:42.17 | hark | bbelt16ag: killall firefox-bin or try with safe mode |
| 04:42.45 | bbelt16ag | how do i do safe-mode? |
| 04:43.09 | cld2 | Bogus8: yeah, if you just install the min and pick nothing else you will get a working server, and then just install openssh-server and the debian-archive-keyring |
| 04:43.20 | bbelt16ag | why is it calle iceweasel? |
| 04:43.23 | bbelt16ag | called |
| 04:43.34 | bbelt16ag | i mean come on... seriously lame name |
| 04:43.41 | cld2 | Bogus8: also, here is a list of the packages I install after the min install to make a server a bit more useful, http://pastebin.ca/323247 |
| 04:43.45 | SvenG | from fire to ice... soemthing |
| 04:43.51 | bbelt16ag | i think debianfire-browser would of been nicer.. |
| 04:43.53 | xabbott | bbelt16ag, could be worse, could be BON ECHO. |
| 04:44.06 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: right .. it could be .. firefox |
| 04:44.09 | abrotman | it's just a damn name |
| 04:44.34 | xabbott | abrotman, they should call it. "CLICK ME FOR INTERNET" |
| 04:44.39 | bbelt16ag | yeah |
| 04:44.44 | hark | bbelt16ag: -safe-mode iirc, man iceweasel |
| 04:44.46 | bbelt16ag | would be mich better then weasel.... |
| 04:44.49 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:44.55 | cld2 | and then at least my parents would say WTF is firefox? where is the internet. |
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| 04:45.30 | xabbott | cld2, on my mother's desktop I renamed firefox to "internet" :P |
| 04:45.31 | cld2 | s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 04:45.55 | cld2 | xabbott: yeah, I always put the IE icon for firefox. I know its bad and destroys branding but hey, it makes them use it. |
| 04:46.18 | xabbott | cld2, well I have her using linux. She doesn't know the difference she just needs browser+email. |
| 04:46.30 | cld2 | xabbott: nice! :) |
| 04:46.50 | xabbott | cld2, I just laid it out like windows. I only did it because I got sick of removing spy-ware every week. |
| 04:47.09 | cld2 | my mom, is of all things an access db /excel integrator so she needs her windows. |
| 04:47.36 | xabbott | cld2, ah |
| 04:47.40 | mfrisch | cld2: mines a realtor worse |
| 04:47.53 | cld2 | I concur, I stopped doing tech support and just started claiming, look I only know unix, I cant help you. I dont even have a mouse on my computer. that seemed to work. |
| 04:48.18 | mfrisch | I got a image on a seperate ext3 partition if she borks anything! |
| 04:48.23 | xabbott | cld2, yea...I don't mind helping sometimes. I've given up on my uncle. |
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| 04:48.41 | xabbott | cld2, he seems to TRY and download every virus he can off limewire. |
| 04:48.48 | cld2 | when you tell people you have no mouse they think you are either a complete idiot or so far beyond them you couldnt deal with there little problems. |
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| 04:48.53 | cld2 | HAHA, virus.exe |
| 04:49.21 | mfrisch | I removed 180 from one machine one afternoon aargh |
| 04:49.36 | xabbott | cld2, I'm like "How many times do I have to tell you. Do not download porn.exe!" |
| 04:50.03 | cld2 | xabbott: the need to see boobies wins every time. |
| 04:51.07 | xabbott | cld2, yea. I might pyt linux on his computer too. I just don't want a million phone calls when he can't get some stupid weather, chat, etc app to work. |
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| 04:51.32 | cld2 | xabbott: with flash 9 now it shouldnt be that hard. |
| 04:51.48 | chronographer | Hi all, how do enable read/write on my new ext3 hard drive, which IS mounted and working...? |
| 04:51.53 | chronographer | looks like this: /dev/hdb2/media/hdb2ext3defaults,rw,user01 |
| 04:51.58 | xabbott | cld2, no he just downloads all this random crap. Anything with "Free" I think. |
| 04:52.00 | MrKeuner | hi, I am trying to connect nokia 6015i using a dku-5 cable. When I plug it in the system I get this error: ti_usb_3410_5052: probe of 2-2:1.0 failed with error -5 what can I do? |
| 04:52.14 | mfrisch | chronographer: mount -o remount rw / |
| 04:52.15 | cld2 | at work they have a set of people that NEED windows and what they do is give them a machine with vmware, and a windows image and then a little like 10gb chunk of the drive. and every time they reboot. blamo no more problems. |
| 04:52.26 | chronographer | this will set it permanently? |
| 04:52.41 | mfrisch | chronographer: no that done in fstab |
| 04:52.42 | chronographer | and fstab looks fine? |
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| 04:52.44 | ix | chronographer: drop the "user" option from fstab |
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| 04:52.57 | ix | or, wait |
| 04:53.03 | ix | argh, forget that one |
| 04:53.09 | abrotman | go away beerboy |
| 04:53.11 | chronographer | what about the 0 and 1 at the end? i never understood what they do? |
| 04:53.15 | ix | abrotman: hahah |
| 04:53.19 | ix | :D |
| 04:53.24 | abrotman | chronographer: man fstab |
| 04:53.39 | ix | man fstab will probably answer all your questions, yes. |
| 04:53.45 | chronographer | ok i will read the bloody man! :-) |
| 04:53.54 | mfrisch | chronographer: thats for fsck |
| 04:54.03 | ix | also, ext3 has *permissions*, that may be why you're unable to write to the partition |
| 04:54.14 | chronographer | I think that is it? |
| 04:54.34 | ix | you're able to write to the partition as root, right? |
| 04:54.44 | chronographer | says root owns it root permissions... i haven't tried, but im sure i can |
| 04:54.52 | mfrisch | ix probally |
| 04:55.27 | ix | then you want to do a "chown user:group /folder -R" for recursive permission setting on the folders you want to write to |
| 04:55.28 | chronographer | yep made dir with root |
| 04:55.35 | ix | :) |
| 04:55.57 | chronographer | i can do that in media/hdb2 and it will make the hole thing r/w ? |
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| 04:56.36 | ix | chronographer: if you want that, yes |
| 04:56.42 | threat2 | yes the 0 and 1 at the end of fstab is for dump and fsck |
| 04:56.52 | ix | replacing user with your preferred user, and group with the preferred group, of course. |
| 04:57.39 | chronographer | ok, I don't know my group.. does that matter? |
| 04:57.39 | ix | try "id username" |
| 04:57.39 | ix | every user has a group |
| 04:57.39 | ix | it's probably the same as your username |
| 04:57.44 | ix | that's the standard debian way, at least |
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| 04:58.13 | chronographer | yep hx |
| 04:58.21 | chronographer | uid = alex gid = alex! |
| 04:58.24 | threat2 | debian is great |
| 04:58.29 | ix | :) |
| 04:59.04 | ix | I seem to have convinced my boss, too |
| 04:59.15 | chronographer | thx a bunch, all good now! |
| 04:59.24 | chronographer | Beers all round! ;-) |
| 04:59.42 | threat2 | ix: although I quite like ports in FreeBSD and emerge in Gentoo :) |
| 04:59.48 | chronographer | unfortunately Ubuntu is easier, and my desktop is in Ubuntu |
| 04:59.53 | Bogus8 | man they are milking the crap out of the Silence of the Lambs movies |
| 04:59.57 | threat2 | chronographer: xubuntu is cleaner |
| 04:59.58 | cast | when fdisk says sda1 starts at 63, and i want to backup the partition table/boot loader, would i dd bs=512 count=62 or 63? [if the first sector on the disk is numbered 0 then its 62, if its 1 then its 63] |
| 05:00.00 | chronographer | my lappy is debian with xfce |
| 05:00.16 | ix | threat2: agreed. |
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| 05:00.26 | chronographer | my desky is my 'learn linux' machine, its cluttered with crap! |
| 05:00.31 | Bogus8 | chronographer: same here |
| 05:00.45 | ix | chronographer: that's the way it's supposed to be! :D |
| 05:00.46 | threat2 | chronographer: good o |
| 05:00.50 | soup__ | anyone know the name of the kde control panel executable? |
| 05:01.04 | mfrisch | kcontrol? |
| 05:01.17 | itchi | !tell P_Kable -about away |
| 05:01.24 | chronographer | i installed debian a few days ago, it didn't recognise my hard drive partitions properly, and I couldn't be bothered installing printer, belkin wireless and other things again! |
| 05:01.36 | chronographer | so back to ubuntu! |
| 05:01.39 | soup__ | mfrisch I mean the panel thingy that sits on the bottom of the screen |
| 05:01.50 | soup__ | not the control panel sorry |
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| 05:02.03 | hark | soup__: kicker |
| 05:02.27 | chronographer | anyway, see you all laterz! |
| 05:02.33 | mfrisch | soup__: the panel thingy huh..logout and login again |
| 05:02.45 | ix | chronographer: later! |
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| 05:03.18 | soup__ | hark: thx |
| 05:03.26 | mfrisch | soup__: unless you deleted it |
| 05:04.07 | soup__ | mfrisch: na just apt-getted kde want to try it out again its been yearsw |
| 05:04.19 | xabbott | Glad Chronographer could share that. |
| 05:05.05 | mfrisch | soup__: it strangely probally looks the same |
| 05:05.54 | maher | ubuntu has this add/remove programs thingy - is it packaged for debian and what is i t called? |
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| 05:06.11 | abrotman | synaptic ? |
| 05:06.14 | mfrisch | maher: there are many |
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| 05:06.55 | mfrisch | maher: apt-get aptitude dselect and gui's |
| 05:07.13 | xabbott | maher, have you tried synaptic? |
| 05:07.44 | xabbott | I believe that add/remove thing is just a very simple/limited apt-get front end. |
| 05:07.52 | xabbott | Only list a handful of packages. |
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| 05:09.03 | maher | abrotman: no - its a cut down deb manager that only lets you install remove certain things - it may be called gnome-package-manager in which case it doesn't seem to be packaged... |
| 05:09.04 | mfrisch | tasksel kpackage .... |
| 05:09.23 | abrotman | maher: run it .. find out the binary name |
| 05:09.53 | mfrisch | there's a gnome package manager. |
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| 05:10.18 | mfrisch | don't know the deb name. |
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| 05:10.22 | jd_smith | hello |
| 05:10.23 | hark | maher: it might be ubuntu specific if it only lists a few packages. |
| 05:10.36 | jd_smith | i'm receiving "error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/mysql.log........." anyone know how to fix this on debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 05:10.43 | abrotman | here's an idea .. ask #ubuntu |
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| 05:15.10 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: it means that whatever commands are being run in the logrotate postrotate script is failing. |
| 05:15.18 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: try executing them manually to see what is going on. |
| 05:15.58 | jd_smith | manually it works fine |
| 05:16.01 | jd_smith | only fails in cron job |
| 05:16.13 | jd_smith | i see the problem mentioned a lot on google, but noone seems to mention an answer |
| 05:16.31 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: does it actually work fine? Did you check the exit status? |
| 05:16.42 | dondelelcaro | (just seeing that it produced no output is not enough) |
| 05:16.47 | jd_smith | how do i check the exit status? |
| 05:16.58 | jd_smith | i figured if it had no output it worked |
| 05:17.10 | dondelelcaro | echo $?; immediately after running it |
| 05:18.16 | jd_smith | alpha:/etc/logrotate.d# /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 05:18.16 | jd_smith | alpha:/etc/logrotate.d# echo $?; |
| 05:18.16 | jd_smith | 0 |
| 05:18.16 | jd_smith | alpha:/etc/logrotate.d# |
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| 05:18.35 | jd_smith | my apologies, i figured 4 lines was ok |
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| 05:18.55 | jd_smith | 0 is a good exit status i do believe |
| 05:18.58 | Werdna | Is there an easy way to back up mysql when the server is down? |
| 05:19.39 | maher | Werdna: just copy the files/ |
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| 05:19.52 | Werdna | maher: which are located...? |
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| 05:20.31 | maher | Werdna: dunno - probably somewhere in /var |
| 05:20.51 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: that's just running the logrotate, not the postrotate script. |
| 05:21.03 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: since there are no logs to rotate, the postrotate script is not run. |
| 05:21.55 | jd_smith | how do i run the postrotate script? |
| 05:22.10 | jd_smith | i tried doing /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server |
| 05:22.22 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: you read that file, and see what it's executing, and execute it yourself. |
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| 05:23.38 | jd_smith | it all returns 0 |
| 05:24.11 | jd_smith | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5145 |
| 05:24.21 | jd_smith | at the very bottom you can see i ran it all |
| 05:24.24 | jd_smith | line by line |
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| 05:26.03 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: no, you haven't run it line be line. |
| 05:26.58 | dondelelcaro | jd_smith: look at /etc/logrotate.d/mysql-server. Read the parts that are in between the postrotate and endscript stanza, and execute them. |
| 05:27.46 | itchi | How can i avoid that the mandb runs every night? Want to let him run every 3 days |
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| 05:28.14 | benklop | hello |
| 05:28.24 | itchi | On the laptp, when i power it on, he first do that thing and is a bit annoying |
| 05:28.29 | andrewspr | does an installation of debian really require 22 CDs? |
| 05:28.39 | maher | andrewspr: no |
| 05:28.51 | ix | not at ALL. |
| 05:28.57 | GeorgeS069 | 22? |
| 05:28.57 | itchi | andrewspr: You can not install every package, some conflict with others |
| 05:28.59 | maher | andrewspr: depending on your needs you probably only need a netinstall cd |
| 05:29.13 | andrewspr | maher, would the netinstall cd have something like ndiswrapper |
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| 05:29.48 | itchi | andrewspr: Or take the first 2 cd's of the bunch |
| 05:30.04 | andrewspr | itchi: so the other cds are just for extra packages? |
| 05:30.14 | itchi | andrewspr: Not realy |
| 05:30.19 | maher | andrewspr: i don't know |
| 05:30.20 | benklop | i'm usually a gentoo user, but now i'm trying debian. i have installed kubuntu and nowq i'm trying to get xine to play an avi file. i'm having a hard time trying to find a repository that includes things like w32codecs |
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| 05:30.46 | ix | benklop: kubuntu != debian |
| 05:31.06 | itchi | andrewspr: us have 18000 packages, many cd's, but with the first 2 cd's you probably have enought. The debian distro have a system to fetch the needed data of the internet |
| 05:31.09 | benklop | but it is based on debian, no? |
| 05:31.11 | ix | benklop: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic/ |
| 05:31.15 | maher | benklop: if you had installed debian you could use marillat's .debs - i assume kubuntu has something similar |
| 05:31.21 | ix | benklop: yes, but it's still a seperate distro.. |
| 05:31.38 | GeorgeS069 | !based on debian |
| 05:31.39 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 05:31.54 | ix | GeorgeS069: thanks. :) |
| 05:31.57 | benklop | alright... i just seem to find very little help from kubuntu/ubuntu anything... most people posting on those forums seem to be pretty green |
| 05:32.08 | GeorgeS069 | np beerboy :P |
| 05:32.12 | itchi | andrewspr: The whole cd set is mostly for those who have a very limited internet connection, like dial-up |
| 05:32.22 | ix | GeorgeS069: heh :p |
| 05:32.23 | andrewspr | itchi: so, would the first two cds have ndiswrapper at least...because I can connect to the internet as soon as I have ndiswrapper |
| 05:32.32 | itchi | !cd contents |
| 05:32.32 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 05:32.44 | itchi | andrewspr: It should |
| 05:32.45 | maher | benklop: /www.debian-multimedia.org <-- i use debs from here on debian |
| 05:33.18 | benklop | dpkg, ix, maher: thanks |
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| 05:34.22 | itchi | I can not believe it on CD ['Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0a "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-14'] |
| 05:34.38 | itchi | Is that cd 14? |
| 05:34.42 | xabbott | benklop, i think one of the first steps in the ubuntu wiki tells you how to get w32codecs.... |
| 05:34.51 | andrewspr | dpkg, ok, that seems kinda complex, but I'll check it out |
| 05:35.04 | itchi | andrewspr: dpkg is a bot ;-) |
| 05:35.17 | itchi | andrewspr: look on the last 2 links |
| 05:35.18 | xabbott | heh |
| 05:35.19 | andrewspr | itchi, oh wow. I hate irc |
| 05:35.36 | itchi | andrewspr: You gona love it more as your girl friend ;-) |
| 05:35.52 | andrewspr | lol |
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| 05:37.17 | itchi | andrewspr: Yeah on cd 14 it is |
| 05:37.38 | itchi | andrewspr: Have you a DVD reader/writer? |
| 05:37.52 | benklop | xabbott: thanks, i had not yet discovered an ubuntu wiki |
| 05:37.56 | andrewspr | itchi, no, I can read dvds, but can only write cds |
| 05:38.20 | itchi | andrewspr: Maybe try with cd 1,2,14 |
| 05:38.45 | andrewspr | ok, I'll get those |
| 05:39.02 | xabbott | benklop, i just searched it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/WindowsCodecs |
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| 05:39.45 | andrewspr | itchi, no I think I do need to make sure one thing...ndiswrapper requires kernel sources, so can I just search one of those jigdo sites for that as well? |
| 05:40.58 | deadcat | jelly-home: holly crap. the new kernel even got my webcam sound WORKING... i was just hoping the software wont bitch on dsp. (= |
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| 05:41.09 | itchi | andrewspr: yup |
| 05:41.33 | itchi | andrewspr: Use http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 05:41.50 | itchi | andrewspr: The 'Fuzzy Search' |
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| 05:42.33 | andrewspr | ok, so I guess I'll need 1, 2, 13, and 14 |
| 05:44.13 | itchi | andrewspr: Are you sure you need ndiswrapper? |
| 05:44.34 | maher | andrewspr: if you know you only need one package from cd 14 you could just download that one package... |
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| 05:44.57 | andrewspr | itchi: and how would I get it into debian then? |
| 05:45.13 | itchi | andrewspr: The cd's? |
| 05:45.43 | andrewspr | but why would I make a cd with just one package? |
| 05:45.53 | andrewspr | I probably missed what you were trying to say... |
| 05:46.12 | itchi | andrewspr: No, once the base system is there, wget it or on another comp wget it to a usbkey |
| 05:46.38 | itchi | s/wget/fetch/ too |
| 05:46.53 | itchi | dunno if you know about wget right now |
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| 05:47.01 | sivik | if i have my file system encypted, that i change/edit/create files that those files will be automatically encrypted or would i have to re-encrypt everything |
| 05:47.18 | dominix | hi all |
| 05:47.22 | poncha|laptop | guys.. (how? |
| 05:47.23 | maher | andrewspr: so you could install from cd 1 and then just install the extra packages from soe other cd |
| 05:47.24 | andrewspr | itchi: no, don't know about wget. and I don't really like haggling with the system to get usb working--does debian automatically recognize and mount usb devices? |
| 05:47.24 | poncha|laptop | err |
| 05:47.27 | dominix | is the project of using the freebsd kernel evolving ? |
| 05:47.30 | poncha|laptop | (how?) is it possible to identify who is runnin a process as rsh/rexec ? |
| 05:47.41 | poncha|laptop | i mean "who" on the remote (which machine and user) |
| 05:47.42 | sivik | maher, you can also not use the disc, but other repos to install other programs from |
| 05:47.43 | maher | andrewspr: gnome does - i assume kde does as well |
| 05:48.15 | andrewspr | maher: lost me |
| 05:48.20 | itchi | andrewspr: not yet, maybe simply fetch the 4 cd's?? If you realy not have another nic card that work |
| 05:48.58 | itchi | andrewspr: It's just a trouble of network card needed during the installation? |
| 05:49.25 | andrewspr | itchi: yeah, once I have wireless internet working, I can get anything else |
| 05:49.31 | poncha|laptop | the thing is like this.. i need to track user activity on a network of machines. the network may even be a mix of *NIX and m$ boxes... i can have processlist of any given machine of course.. but in case the users are not logged as themselves while running some tasks, i would need to track down that activity as well |
| 05:49.46 | andrewspr | but I'm not impressed with linux in general's support with wireless adaptors -_- |
| 05:50.11 | ix | don't buy shitty adaptors, then :) |
| 05:50.20 | mfrisch | andrewspr: tried madwifi |
| 05:50.21 | xabbott | andrewspr, um's how about the wireless adaptor's support of linux. :P |
| 05:50.23 | maher | andrewspr: complain to the manufacturers |
| 05:50.23 | sid | andrewspr: don't buy hardware from companies that don't tell you how it works. |
| 05:50.44 | andrewspr | xabbott, maher, sid: I bought the hardware before I went to linux |
| 05:50.50 | andrewspr | so in reality, I should just stick with windows |
| 05:51.04 | andrewspr | or find a distro that has the sense to come with ndiswrapper... |
| 05:51.12 | benklop | so ubuntu : debian :: mandrake : redhat ? |
| 05:51.23 | mfrisch | andrewspr: we research every piece of hardware we use we're silly that way |
| 05:51.32 | sid | andrewspr: Companies that actually document how their hardware works(memory registers etc), realtek, ralink, prism, atmel chipsets etc all have great support by default with the linux kernel. |
| 05:51.34 | sivik | maher, you can also not use the disc, but other repos to install other programs from |
| 05:51.38 | itchi | andrewspr: no, serious, ms is crap compared to GBU/Linux, you just need to re learn some things. Like you have do on your MS box for years, learning how it work |
| 05:51.44 | sivik | if i have my file system encypted, that i change/edit/create files that those files will be automatically encrypted or would i have to re-encrypt everything |
| 05:51.47 | itchi | oh my god |
| 05:51.54 | itchi | GNU/Linux* |
| 05:52.08 | sivik | itchi, lol |
| 05:52.14 | itchi | sivik: :-p |
| 05:52.27 | maher | andrewspr: we can tell you how to install debian - we can't do anything about the fact the oem's don't release the hardware specs |
| 05:52.28 | mfrisch | sivik: no |
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| 05:52.39 | sid | andrewspr: go to windows. |
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| 05:52.47 | andrewspr | sid: I see |
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| 05:52.53 | sivik | mfrisch, no? thats not a answer that helps me |
| 05:53.02 | sid | andrewspr: ndiswrapper is non-free software.(as in freedom) we do not supply that in the main repository for debian. |
| 05:53.32 | Callahad | Hi, can someone explain why 'aptitude search scheme' doesn't find return package 'gambc' in its results? |
| 05:53.32 | sid | although technically ndiswrapper is free, it has no purpose without non-free software(windows drivers). So it belongs in the contrib section. |
| 05:53.34 | xabbott | I don't care what you use. I was simply stated the reason why "Linux doesn't support it." |
| 05:53.47 | andrewspr | sid: ok, I see |
| 05:53.47 | sivik | mfrisch, a now to what? |
| 05:53.52 | sivik | mfrisch, a no to what? |
| 05:54.05 | itchi | sid: hhhm, that's why it is so far, on cd 14 i guess |
| 05:54.28 | sid | itchi: lame. what is this Ubuntu now? |
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| 05:54.45 | mfrisch | sivik: its encrypted as a whole not as parts? |
| 05:54.51 | itchi | sid: Dunno, i not use ubuntu |
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| 05:55.38 | itchi | sid: I know better ... |
| 05:55.47 | itchi | Have a nice day guys |
| 05:56.09 | sivik | mfrisch, ok, i'm trying to encrypt my entire fs and i was wondering how to run the system as encrypted and then wanted to know if i changed/opened/created files, if they would automatically be encrypted or if i would have to encrypt the whole fs everytime i changed something |
| 05:56.33 | mfrisch | sivik: it is transparent |
| 05:56.44 | sivik | mfrisch, what is transparent |
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| 05:56.58 | sivik | i have never tried this before, just checking some options before i decide to do it |
| 05:57.19 | sid | sivik: df -h; if the device is /dev/mapper/* then it's encrypted. |
| 05:57.21 | mfrisch | sivik: when it is not been unlocked during boot it is encrypted after its like it never was |
| 05:57.31 | itchi | sid: You forget that you represent Debian! |
| 05:57.51 | sivik | sid: i haven't tried encryting anything yet |
| 05:57.55 | sivik | mfrisch, ok, you lost me |
| 05:58.06 | maher | sivik: afaik the new etch installer supports encrypted installs but i have not tried this |
| 05:58.21 | sivik | ok, y'all have all lost me |
| 05:58.28 | mfrisch | sivik: only for boastinig encryption really only makes sense on a laptop. maybe a desktop. |
| 05:58.44 | sivik | now y'all aren't listening |
| 05:59.17 | GeorgeS069 | pirate bay servers could have used some encryption |
| 05:59.19 | sivik | is there a way to run a fs while its encrypted, so in case someone hacks the machine, they can't easily see files such as /etc/shadow (and others) |
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| 06:00.24 | maher | sivik: not really - try to avoid having your machine compromised |
| 06:00.36 | mfrisch | sivik: yeah / can be a dm-crypt you just need a seperate /boot. I put lvm on top of a encrypted partition |
| 06:00.49 | sivik | mfrisch, already running a /boot partition |
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| 06:01.43 | sivik | mfrisch, does it matter the format of the /boot partition |
| 06:02.12 | sid | GeorgeS069: What makes you think they aren't encrypted? |
| 06:02.14 | mfrisch | sivik: no well usually ext3 or ext2 |
| 06:02.29 | sivik | mfrisch, mine i think is reinfs |
| 06:02.43 | GeorgeS069 | I'm sure they are now...just saying encryption isn't just for laptops and esktops |
| 06:02.52 | GeorgeS069 | desktops |
| 06:02.55 | sivik | how, in cli, do i tell what format a parition is |
| 06:03.06 | mfrisch | sivik: that reinfs do they use that in Germany |
| 06:03.10 | sivik | GeorgeS069, currently, thats all i'm running, is a laptop, my desktop's mobo died |
| 06:03.13 | maher | sivik: if its mounted mount will tell you |
| 06:03.32 | sivik | maher, how do you get mount to tell me that |
| 06:03.46 | PingFloyd | sivik: by typing mount |
| 06:03.47 | GeorgeS069 | just type mount |
| 06:03.48 | sivik | i have never used mount for that |
| 06:03.54 | maher | sivik: just type mount |
| 06:04.04 | sivik | maher, didn't know that would work |
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| 06:04.19 | PingFloyd | sivik: you sure you want to encrypt? |
| 06:04.41 | sivik | PingFloyd, no, thats why i'm asking questions before i do it, and i didn't know mount can be used that way |
| 06:04.58 | sivik | PingFloyd, i though all mount was used for was to mount partitions/cd's/flash drives |
| 06:05.07 | sivik | my /boot is a reiserfs |
| 06:05.10 | PingFloyd | sivik: the thing about encryption, is if there is any data worth the trouble |
| 06:05.18 | mfrisch | sivik: if you encrypt your data on a laptop and its stolen noone will get the data |
| 06:05.21 | hburchey | How do I turn off StrictHostKeyChecking in ssh/scp on the command line? I've tried numerous variations including -o "StrictHostKeyChecking no", -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no, but it always behaves as if it were enabled. |
| 06:05.31 | sivik | mfrisch, ok |
| 06:05.39 | sivik | mfrisch, i'm just trying to figure out if i want to do it or not |
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| 06:06.25 | maher | hburchey: just delete the old keys from .ssh/known_hosts? |
| 06:06.44 | sivik | hburchey, using vim/gedit or you favorite text editor |
| 06:06.45 | mfrisch | sivik: its password activated using luks so it prompts during boot |
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| 06:07.08 | sivik | mfrisch: this isn't making any sense, maybe i'm just too tired for it to |
| 06:07.15 | w0rd55 | for pata drives on debian sarge, does it automatically set my DMA level to the correct one for optimal transfer rate? |
| 06:07.17 | hburchey | maher, sivik: I know about that, but I want to disable checking using the command line switch. |
| 06:07.21 | w0rd55 | or is this something Ihave to do manually? |
| 06:08.07 | sivik | hburchey, if you don't want it to check, just use telnet, ssh is all but just a more secure way of telnet |
| 06:08.41 | sivik | hburchey, that would defeat the purpose of ssh |
| 06:09.01 | hburchey | sivik, telnet is just another workaround... What I would really like to know is why the StrictHostKeyChecking option doesn't appear to work as advertised in the man page. |
| 06:09.15 | GeorgeS069 | sivik: look here for some help http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/howto-disk-encryption-with-dm-crypt-luks-and-debian |
| 06:09.15 | sivik | hburchey, not sure |
| 06:09.24 | itchi | w0rd55: No you should not |
| 06:09.25 | sivik | GeorgeS069, thank you |
| 06:09.38 | enouf | w0rd55: should be fine .. check using hdparm -i /dev/hdX as root look for the * next to the udma level |
| 06:09.44 | sivik | GeorgeS069, i'm assuming that works with ubuntu as well, no one in the ubuntu channel has been any help, i have been trying to get some help with this for weeks |
| 06:10.24 | itchi | Gona fetch some sleep, see you later my lovely guys |
| 06:10.33 | itchi | :-p |
| 06:10.36 | enouf | itchi++ |
| 06:10.46 | itchi | enouf: Thank you ;-) |
| 06:10.49 | itchi | enouf++ |
| 06:11.01 | GeorgeS069 | sivik: I have no idea....you should probably look it over and see what's involved and how that compares to your system |
| 06:11.08 | sivik | ok |
| 06:11.23 | sivik | thanks |
| 06:11.57 | GeorgeS069 | sivik: you'll need to build a new kernel for one thing and that may screw up your ubuntu install |
| 06:12.23 | sivik | GeorgeS069, why do i need to build a new kernel? |
| 06:13.02 | sivik | it says i need to use 2.6.16 and i'm running 2.6.17-10 |
| 06:13.15 | w0rd55 | niec! |
| 06:13.41 | w0rd55 | thanks |
| 06:14.05 | GeorgeS069 | sivik: your kernel will need some extra options enabled...read that web site...it explains why at the begining |
| 06:14.10 | sivik | ok |
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| 06:14.55 | maher | hburchey: try ssh -v and see what it says |
| 06:15.18 | GeorgeS069 | sivik: also look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto |
| 06:17.21 | sivik | GeorgeS069, thanks |
| 06:17.58 | GeorgeS069 | yw |
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| 06:29.16 | sparr | I can't get into X. are there any svgalib (or otherwise) graphical web browsers for linux? |
| 06:30.06 | mfrisch | sparr: links2 -g |
| 06:31.52 | sparr | ok, if anyone answered, i cant read your response because svgalib devoured my console textmode so now i all i see is garbage |
| 06:31.59 | sparr | ill be back momentarily to ask again, hooray reboot |
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| 06:33.28 | sussudio | oh look. a spambot. |
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| 06:35.52 | sparr | so, never mind about svgalib, it doesnt like me |
| 06:35.57 | sparr | and im not using fb |
| 06:36.00 | mfrisch | sparr: links2 -g |
| 06:36.22 | sparr | links2 requires fb, x, or svgalib :( |
| 06:36.24 | sparr | thanks though |
| 06:36.28 | sparr | guess im up a creek there |
| 06:36.59 | sparr | either i bite the bullet and surf in text mode for a couple of days, or i take a chance and reboot again with a different video card |
| 06:37.42 | sparr | wish me luck |
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| 06:42.41 | Miesco_ | How come this video doesn't work: mms://mss.streampower.be/qmusic_ahi |
| 06:42.59 | Miesco_ | I mean music stream* |
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| 06:45.14 | sid | Miesco_: Because it's Microsoft's .asf container which probably contains some type of windows media audio codec which is proprietary and Microsoft doesn't want anyone to know how it works. |
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| 06:45.44 | sid | Miesco_: You see the idea is to create tools for people to create/watch media. But make sure the media will always be tied to the proprietary tools(Windows) |
| 06:46.01 | sid | ie, it's non-free and evil. They just want to control people and their data in hopes of squeezing more money from them. |
| 06:46.44 | Miesco_ | sid: Okay, so some video's wont work on linux? |
| 06:46.44 | Miesco_ | And trying to fix it is wasting my time? |
| 06:47.17 | sid | Miesco: yes some media might not work with the GNU/Linux operating system. They won't tell use how their format works and it's very difficult to reverse engineer. |
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| 06:48.45 | Miesco | sid: Is it just the stream format or the file format? |
| 06:49.11 | sid | Miesco: no mms protocol is documented and should work fine, the problem is the file format. |
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| 06:50.35 | sid | although if I recall correctly, mms was not documented by Microsoft. it was reverse engineered and the hackers created their own documenation. |
| 06:51.49 | sid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:52.10 | Halitherses | what is the name of a good gnutella client? |
| 06:52.57 | sid | Halitherses: gtk-gnutella ? |
| 06:53.20 | sid | Miesco: although Microsoft is being sued for anti-trust reasons in Europe, and I believe that format is part of the settlement. |
| 06:53.37 | sid | Miesco: I believe they have to document it to allow competitors to have a level playing field to compete in. iirc |
| 06:54.23 | sid | or at least that is what the European Union will try to make them do. But Microsoft has paid 2 or 3 billion to try to stop others from being compatible/interoperable. So some how I doubt Microsoft wants to be interoperable with anyone. Why else would they pay a few billion? |
| 06:54.55 | sid | at least in Europe they've paid this much in the last 5 years or so, that's not including the rest of the world. |
| 06:56.04 | Werdna | I wish MS would take the hint that nobody's into DRM anympore |
| 06:56.06 | Werdna | anymore* |
| 06:56.11 | peterS | anti-microsoft rants, as much fun as they might be, are off-topic here |
| 06:56.13 | peterS | just fyi |
| 06:56.34 | Werdna | speil? speel? |
| 06:56.37 | peterS | spiel |
| 06:56.43 | sid | Well this has nothing to do with DRM, it's just a proprietary non-free format. And it's not documented at all. That's why it isn't supported by Debian GNU/Linux at this point in time. |
| 06:56.46 | peterS | see now you can spell spiel spell spiel |
| 06:56.47 | sid | !ot |
| 06:56.48 | dpkg | i heard ot is off topic |
| 06:57.02 | sid | hmm, who changed ot factoid |
| 06:58.53 | e1z0 | ryc |
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| 06:59.32 | sid | !factinfo ot |
| 06:59.33 | dpkg | ot -- last modified 2d 4h 55m 34s ago by karsten!n=karsten@unaffiliated/karsten; it has been requested 4 times, last by sid, 2m 45s ago. |
| 07:00.39 | sid | !ot |
| 07:00.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 07:00.45 | DaveLib | hello i am running etch i had sound working here until yesterday when i did aptitude update/upgrade and firefox upgraded to iceweasel |
| 07:01.15 | sid | DaveLib: Sound with what in particular? flash? another plugin of some type? do you have sound with other applications? |
| 07:01.49 | DaveLib | sid: my applications useing sound were firefox (now iceweasel) and the linux secondlife client |
| 07:02.08 | DaveLib | my most recent sound system was flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:02.44 | DaveLib | before i installed flashplugin-nonfree sound worked in firefox but not in secondlife |
| 07:03.07 | DaveLib | i installed flahsplugin-nonfree and sound worked in both secondlife and firefox |
| 07:03.09 | Werdna | so it sounds like it's a firefox->iceweasel issue |
| 07:03.14 | DaveLib | i think |
| 07:03.15 | DaveLib | so |
| 07:03.21 | Werdna | seeing as the secondlife issue is existing. |
| 07:03.31 | DaveLib | it stopped working as soon as i upgraded |
| 07:03.47 | DaveLib | ya but sonmehow iceweasel ruined secondlife |
| 07:03.51 | Werdna | any dependencies of iceweasel that may have triggered the issue? |
| 07:04.06 | Werdna | is flashplugin-nonfree still installed? |
| 07:04.09 | DaveLib | well i had firefox installed already |
| 07:04.22 | DaveLib | and it was just a normal upgrade that gave me iceweasel |
| 07:04.27 | Werdna | hmm |
| 07:04.30 | dendrite | DaveLib: Were other things upgraded also? What about ALSA? |
| 07:04.38 | DaveLib | yes flashplugin-nonfree is installed |
| 07:04.50 | DaveLib | i dont think alsa upgraded |
| 07:05.18 | DaveLib | i am trying to recall what was listed in aptitude |
| 07:05.30 | dendrite | DaveLib: It's logged... |
| 07:05.39 | DaveLib | i reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree but that didnt change secondlife |
| 07:05.54 | DaveLib | dendrite log whichf file? |
| 07:06.13 | dendrite | DaveLib: Don't know for aptitude, but look in /var/log/ |
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| 07:07.17 | DaveLib | dendrite: thanks |
| 07:07.33 | DaveLib | all this sound business is mysterious to me |
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| 07:07.55 | DaveLib | i had firefox working with sound from the beginning without any extra installs |
| 07:07.58 | dendrite | DaveLib: You might try running alsaconf ... |
| 07:08.22 | DaveLib | ok thanks |
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| 07:15.23 | DaveLib | dendrite: i just ran alsaconf and tested sound in iceweasel and that worked! thanks |
| 07:15.38 | DaveLib | i am going to call secondlife and see if that is working too |
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| 07:22.08 | DaveLib | ok sound is working in secondlife too thanks |
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| 07:25.43 | unperson | I'm looking at setting up a new system with a software RAID. I can either put the swap partition as a RAID0 disk, or I can just create 2 swap partitions and set them to the same priority. AFAIK, the result will be similar. Is there any reason to prefer one over the other? |
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| 07:31.03 | Fear_cult | does the debian netinstall cd come with wifi drivers or where can i get a list of modules included |
| 07:32.03 | markybob | Fear_cult, yes. every wifi module in kernel 2.6.18 is included in the new installer http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:32.44 | Bogus8 | anyone know how to make conky act right? like actually stay up on the desktop displayed? mine flickers off more than it is on it seems |
| 07:33.02 | Fear_cult | double buffering Bogus8 |
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| 07:33.09 | Fear_cult | in the config file |
| 07:33.15 | Bogus8 | Fear_cult: what is that... ok, I'll look |
| 07:33.24 | Fear_cult | ~/.conkyrc i belive |
| 07:33.55 | Bogus8 | fredforfaen: yeah I see it... but it says to use it w/ it's own window.. mine is a transparent display is that still the same? |
| 07:34.10 | TGPO | Bogus8, yes |
| 07:34.20 | Bogus8 | cool |
| 07:34.50 | Bogus8 | so I just put "double_buffer on" ? |
| 07:34.54 | Fear_cult | aye |
| 07:35.00 | Fear_cult | i belive |
| 07:35.10 | Fear_cult | its been a while since ive used conky/torsmo |
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| 07:35.33 | Bogus8 | still says single buffer when it launches :-/ |
| 07:35.58 | Fear_cult | its got a main config somewhere run updatedb and then locate conkyrc |
| 07:36.02 | Bogus8 | failed to set up double buffer :( |
| 07:36.10 | Bogus8 | that config sucks :( |
| 07:36.12 | Fear_cult | updatedb has to be run as root or sudo |
| 07:36.39 | Bogus8 | yeah, I love me some updatedb |
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| 07:41.00 | Fear_cult | i thought etch was released last month |
| 07:41.10 | markybob | Fear_cult, you thought wrong |
| 07:41.56 | Fear_cult | The Debian project confirms December 2006 as the date for the next release of its distribution which will be named Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias 'etch'. This will be the first official release to include the AMD64 architecture. The distribution will be released synchronously for 11 architectures in total. |
| 07:43.36 | markybob | Fear_cult, that was the planned date. if you know anything about debian, you know that planned dates mean shit |
| 07:43.59 | markybob | Fear_cult, we're known for missing release dates by years :) |
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| 07:45.39 | GeorgeS069 | also known for having the most stable distro when they do release |
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| 07:46.15 | janttsu | in upgraded to iceweasel 2.0.0.1 and the fonts seem different now |
| 07:46.43 | Fear_cult | bah stability isint my largest concern honestly but id rather take debian than a debian spin off |
| 07:47.03 | markybob | Fear_cult, then install etch before it's released. no one really cares |
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| 07:47.54 | Fear_cult | aye aye captn |
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| 07:50.05 | janttsu | http://jonttu.sytes.net/firefox.png |
| 07:50.08 | janttsu | http://jonttu.sytes.net/iceweasel.png |
| 07:50.16 | janttsu | why are those fonts so different? |
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| 07:53.12 | cahoot | subpixel rendering on/off? |
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| 08:01.36 | hazel| | hiya :) |
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| 08:15.57 | _joey | I've installed apache on Debian; I have read apache docs to set up cgi-bin directory and run cgi scripts from it. I set correct permissions. However, when I run a script it's not getting executed |
| 08:16.06 | _joey | perms 0755 |
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| 08:16.16 | _joey | what am I not doing right? |
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| 08:20.38 | ice_cream | hi, i'm trying to make grub splash work, but my line in menu.lst, splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/soft-tux.xpm.gz, doesnt work; /dev/hda2 is mounted on /boot so i have no idea why it's not working =/ |
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| 08:22.25 | ice_cream | should it just be splashimage=(hd0,1)/grub/soft-tux.xpm.gz ...? |
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| 08:23.36 | ice_cream | testing/rebooting.. |
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| 08:25.21 | GeorgeS069 | _joey: you may want to ask about that in #apache |
| 08:25.29 | liable | wtf is listbugs so slow |
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| 08:25.43 | ice_cream | lol, ok, that worked |
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| 08:26.11 | ice_cream | i guess (hd0,1) represented /boot, so all i needed to write was /grub/<myfile>, which would point to /boot/grub/<myfile> |
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| 08:43.36 | liable | be veeewy quiet |
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| 08:51.32 | jooopyme | Hi, Is there a way to create cd distro from a running system? |
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| 08:54.11 | stoned | jooopyme, what do you mean |
| 08:54.15 | stoned | liable, yes |
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| 08:55.47 | jooopyme | stoned: a utility that records all the packages installed in the system and make a distribution cd that will install the same system. |
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| 08:57.39 | stoned | jooopyme, hmm.. I've never looked into it so I don't know.. hang around someone might know |
| 08:58.44 | liable | hrm, crip is a nifty little tool |
| 08:59.23 | deb_noob | what does it do? |
| 09:00.10 | liable | command line ripper to ogg/vorbis |
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| 09:00.48 | deb_noob | there should be like error checksums in making mp3 files |
| 09:01.03 | deb_noob | if error dont allow to be made |
| 09:01.27 | deb_noob | liable: do you know anything about KWord |
| 09:01.37 | liable | nope, sorry |
| 09:01.45 | deb_noob | you run gnome? |
| 09:02.05 | liable | yes, actually |
| 09:02.23 | liable | but as little of it as possible |
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| 09:02.45 | liable | do ipods do ogg or vorbis? |
| 09:03.36 | _JusSx_ | jooopyme: you can build it by your self |
| 09:05.28 | deb_noob | itchi: you in here? |
| 09:05.42 | deb_noob | i *think* ipods do ogg |
| 09:05.56 | Guerin | nope |
| 09:06.04 | liable | i dont want an ipod anyway, just wondering |
| 09:06.06 | Guerin | why would they? |
| 09:06.17 | liable | why wouldnt they? |
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| 09:06.25 | Guerin | apple doesn't believe in open standards or free software, they believe in lockdown |
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| 09:07.12 | liable | i am in the market for a portable player, but i mostly just want radio, and ogg support i guess |
| 09:07.26 | Guerin | liable: iAudio are the win |
| 09:07.37 | liable | radio? |
| 09:07.44 | Guerin | i had one for ages, until I burnt out the controller by plugging it into a flakey power supply |
| 09:07.47 | Guerin | yep |
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| 09:08.18 | Guerin | radio, mp3/ogg/flac/wma/wav/jpg/video/text |
| 09:08.31 | Guerin | 30+ hours battery life in my X5L |
| 09:08.44 | stoned | Guerin, sup |
| 09:08.54 | Guerin | stoned: too much red bull, not enough sleep |
| 09:08.55 | liable | how big is it? the smaller the better, i dont really want video capabilities |
| 09:08.56 | stoned | Guerin, apple sucks |
| 09:09.09 | stoned | Guerin, try NOS |
| 09:09.15 | Guerin | stoned: been reading/writing about the Taliban solidly for about four days |
| 09:09.19 | stoned | Guerin, a bit milder |
| 09:09.28 | stoned | Guerin, I'm not related to them... |
| 09:09.29 | Guerin | why yes, apple *does* suck |
| 09:09.40 | liable | nitros oxide? :P |
| 09:09.50 | Guerin | stoned: you couldn't possibly be, unless you grew up in a refugee camp ;) |
| 09:09.53 | stoned | liable, its a drink similar to the redbull |
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| 09:10.15 | stoned | Guerin, my great grandparents migrated from Afghanistan to india say 100 or so years ago |
| 09:10.22 | Guerin | liable: x5l is a hard drive player, about the size of a pack of smokes |
| 09:10.23 | stoned | 2x great or something I dunno |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | though there are smaller ones |
| 09:10.31 | Guerin | stoned: heh |
| 09:10.34 | stoned | they tried to teach us all our family lines but I forgot |
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| 09:10.47 | stoned | my brother probably knows |
| 09:10.51 | Guerin | a bit longer than a pack of smokes |
| 09:10.53 | stoned | Guerin, remember my brother... |
| 09:11.00 | Guerin | stoned: heh, yep |
| 09:11.06 | Guerin | he was a hater |
| 09:11.21 | deb_noob | ? |
| 09:11.29 | deb_noob | is lost |
| 09:11.33 | stoned | he was just a bit pissed off at life and was short of patience |
| 09:11.39 | stoned | just had his accident you see |
| 09:11.43 | Guerin | yeh |
| 09:11.46 | stoned | its been years, he's calmed down a lot |
| 09:12.25 | Guerin | ye gods, I need beer |
| 09:12.27 | stoned | anyway, why have you been researching the Taliban? |
| 09:12.33 | stoned | tyt |
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| 09:12.52 | Guerin | stoned: i'm a postgrad student of political science |
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| 09:12.55 | stoned | I've been drinking water for a few days now |
| 09:13.03 | Guerin | they're interesting in a dozen different ways |
| 09:13.08 | stoned | Guerin, ahh.. my sister did stuff like that.. Criminal Justice |
| 09:13.22 | Guerin | stoned: you can read my essay in about 24 hours |
| 09:13.27 | Guerin | it's due in 36 |
| 09:13.32 | stoned | word |
| 09:13.39 | L4m3r | hm... why is apt-get dist-upgrade removing a bunch of gnome crap? |
| 09:13.45 | stoned | I'd like to see what you have to say |
| 09:13.49 | Guerin | L4m3r: sounds like a win to me. |
| 09:13.54 | Guerin | L4m3r: i wouldn't question it |
| 09:13.56 | L4m3r | I know :D |
| 09:14.01 | L4m3r | but WHY? :P |
| 09:14.06 | stoned | L4m3r, start using aptitude |
| 09:14.10 | unlink | L4m3r: because libbonobo2-0 is broken in unstable |
| 09:14.14 | Guerin | stoned: executive summary: war and foreign meddling makes people insane |
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| 09:14.42 | stoned | L4m3r, packages not required anymore maybe. Maybe some bugs? |
| 09:14.46 | unlink | L4m3r: do apt-get -t experimental install libbonobo2-0 |
| 09:14.54 | L4m3r | whoa, slow down |
| 09:14.58 | unlink | Guerin: that's quite executive |
| 09:15.03 | L4m3r | is that package essential for anything other than Gnome? |
| 09:15.06 | unlink | L4m3r: no |
| 09:15.10 | liable | but you asked! |
| 09:15.19 | L4m3r | in that case, I'm over it ;) |
| 09:15.19 | stoned | Guerin, not I. Why? I don't care. |
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| 09:16.06 | stoned | Guerin, meaning I'm not 'people' ... I used to have thoughts about politics and then I just suddenly stopped caring. |
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| 09:16.44 | Guerin | unlink: yeh, well, if you can explain the emergence of the taliban any better in under 10 words, please do ;) |
| 09:17.20 | Guerin | stoned: as Ordell RObbie said: `That shit will rob you of your ambition.' |
| 09:17.26 | stoned | Guerin, anyway, I'd like to know what you think.. just /msg me when you get it ready |
| 09:17.41 | Guerin | stoned: to which Mel replied `Not if my ambition is to get high and watch TV.' |
| 09:17.42 | stoned | Guerin, it can for some, yes |
| 09:17.45 | unlink | Guerin: does it have to be a sentence? |
| 09:17.49 | L4m3r | Guerin: some of us don't have any ambition to lose :D |
| 09:17.58 | Guerin | unlink: hell, why should it. Hit meh! |
| 09:18.21 | stoned | unlink, it does have to be coherent though |
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| 09:18.47 | Guerin | L4m3r: just as long as you end up better off than Mel did. |
| 09:18.49 | stoned | can't just pick and chose random words to describe it.. must be an actual thought |
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| 09:20.42 | stoned | Guerin, I just got on the bandwagon |
| 09:20.55 | Guerin | stoned: which band? |
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| 09:21.10 | unlink | Guerin: afghan civil war sunni islam pakistani refugees mohammad omar saudi! |
| 09:21.17 | Guerin | hehe |
| 09:21.31 | blujay | Would anyone like to play Pioneers? |
| 09:21.37 | Guerin | that's not too bad, actually |
| 09:22.03 | stoned | Guerin, I got http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/cart.jpg and I've now got 400FSBx7 @ 2.799Ghz with a memory multiplier of 2.0 @ 1:1 ddr2 pc-5400 @ 800mhz @ 5-5-5-15 :D |
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| 09:22.31 | stoned | I sold my old system for $400 |
| 09:22.34 | Guerin | stoned: i have a black one |
| 09:22.36 | Guerin | it's shiny |
| 09:22.37 | stoned | I got a pretty good deal |
| 09:22.54 | stoned | I dunno, I just wanted a c2d system really badly |
| 09:23.07 | Guerin | stoned: wot no Dell? |
| 09:23.14 | stoned | I'd been craving one and then I was like, fuck it, I got enough people to finance their systems at dell, I can afford this |
| 09:23.18 | stoned | Guerin, fuck dell |
| 09:24.18 | stoned | Guerin, next I'm gonna try to lower the FSB and switch to 4-4-4-12 timings and see how far I can take the fsb up without hurting myself |
| 09:24.25 | stoned | anyway... ot |
| 09:24.31 | stoned | la de da |
| 09:25.53 | stoned | btw, I while testing I oc it to fsb 430 @ 3.0ghz and under full load it was topping out at a max of 48-54C :D |
| 09:26.06 | Guerin | 1337 d00d |
| 09:26.10 | stoned | I'm soooo happy.. I feel like its the first time I installed debian! |
| 09:26.14 | Guerin | did you tape a fin on it? |
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| 09:26.26 | stoned | arctic cooling freezer 7 pro |
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| 09:26.50 | Guerin | and chrome fan blades? |
| 09:26.55 | Guerin | with blue LEDS! |
| 09:26.59 | stoned | nah |
| 09:27.05 | stoned | none of that faggotry |
| 09:27.18 | narma | hello, where is the init.d service template ? I knwo there is one into /etc/ I thinks but I can't find it :) |
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| 09:27.49 | Guerin | narma: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 09:28.04 | narma | Guerin, thank you :) |
| 09:28.36 | Guerin | narma: you're awfully welcome |
| 09:29.19 | stoned | man its almost 4 am |
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| 09:29.42 | stoned | I dunno what happened earlier I got high and ate a big meal and fell asleep, I dunno when, I woke up at midnight |
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| 09:32.01 | stoned | man on this x1900xt oblivion has never looked sweeter |
| 09:32.57 | Guerin | stoned: nice to live the life of luxury |
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| 09:34.10 | unlink | for a current, linux-supported, 3d-accelerated, compositing video card, the intel i915 really sucks |
| 09:34.11 | Guerin | I got up at 0930 (sleep in with teh wife on the only day one of us doesn't have to get up, w00t); worked on this paper until noon, worked from noon until 2000, got home, just stopped working on it (2230) and am now getting drunk |
| 09:34.17 | Guerin | and I have to work again at 0700 |
| 09:34.39 | Guerin | AND tomorrow is a fucking holiday so I should be at home getting stoned and laxin' |
| 09:34.51 | Guerin | unlink: *shock* |
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| 09:37.04 | unlink | i just noticed that there was no *50 series thinkpads |
| 09:37.12 | unlink | they skipped right over them |
| 09:37.13 | Guerin | yeh there was |
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| 09:37.55 | Guerin | it's a bit budget, but I think that might be the `R' rather than the `51' |
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| 09:38.35 | unlink | hmm, well i've never heard of a T50 or an X50 |
| 09:38.48 | Guerin | nope, neither |
| 09:38.53 | Guerin | maybe they only made that one |
| 09:39.06 | unlink | T42 is a beast |
| 09:39.33 | unlink | the T series actually makes laptop computing workable ;) |
| 09:39.40 | xingu | z61p looks good |
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| 09:39.46 | unlink | xingu: haha |
| 09:39.46 | liable | expensive as fuck though |
| 09:39.50 | unlink | $8407521430918742 |
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| 09:40.01 | Guerin | i probably won't buy a lenovo stinkpad |
| 09:40.04 | unlink | i heard that was the current market price, anywya |
| 09:40.05 | liable | xingu: not the silver one? |
| 09:40.06 | xingu | pah, pocket change |
| 09:40.16 | Guerin | i'll default back to my old brand of toshiba |
| 09:40.17 | GeorgeS069 | my zv6000 works pretty good and was only $800 |
| 09:40.21 | unlink | Guerin: it's the same engineer and same machines :p |
| 09:40.24 | unlink | *engineers |
| 09:40.39 | Guerin | unlink: mm, really. |
| 09:40.40 | xingu | there's an ok a160 |
| 09:40.44 | unlink | Guerin: only the name is different...and then they licensed the name |
| 09:41.46 | unlink | Guerin: the only thing that's really worse is the return policy, but otherwise the T60s and X60s are vast improvements on their IBM predecessors |
| 09:42.22 | xingu | noname uniwill's stack up pretty well on !/£ front |
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| 09:44.59 | dominix | is the project of using the freebsd kernel evolving ? |
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| 09:46.17 | LMZ | hello to all, how to configure Internet thru LAN? |
| 09:46.28 | unlink | LMZ: uh? |
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| 09:47.31 | LMZ | I must use ifconfig? |
| 09:47.40 | unlink | no |
| 09:47.46 | unlink | it's quite useful, though |
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| 09:48.23 | LMZ | I can't understand you (sorry for my english) |
| 09:48.37 | Polleke | LMZ, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html is a good start |
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| 09:49.13 | liable | LMZ: there are gui things for the various desktops too |
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| 09:50.31 | LMZ | read already, I need SIMPLE LAN connection (not DHCP) |
| 09:50.33 | Polleke | LMZ, this is a specific debian document. Should get you going: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 09:52.10 | Halitherses | Which is the best kernel for a c2d processor? |
| 09:52.34 | shafire | is debian sid good enough too? |
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| 09:53.57 | L4m3r | Halitherses: depends |
| 09:54.25 | L4m3r | if you use flash and other proprietary junk, i386 (or 686) is probably your best bet |
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| 09:55.09 | L4m3r | I'm actually switching my dekstop from amd64 to i386 for just that reason :( |
| 09:55.25 | teledyn | hmm i put a menu item in ~/.menu and its not showing up |
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| 09:55.35 | teledyn | i copied the template from another item in /usr/share/menu |
| 09:56.09 | Halitherses | I often remove flash from my system to avoid being subjected to advertising. |
| 09:57.39 | karsten | Halitherses: flash-block on Firefox is damned useful for that. |
| 09:57.45 | heikki | Makefile:266: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory |
| 09:57.49 | karsten | !tell shafire about sid |
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| 09:58.09 | karsten | L4m3r: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 09:58.14 | karsten | L4m3r: NM. |
| 09:58.26 | crazy_penguin | good morning to all! |
| 09:58.29 | shafire | karsten, thx |
| 09:58.37 | karsten | crazy_penguin: The only good morning is a dead morning. |
| 09:58.44 | crazy_penguin | lol |
| 09:58.46 | karsten | !sunday |
| 09:58.46 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 09:58.46 | crazy_penguin | why? |
| 09:59.03 | karsten | crazy_penguin: Royal decree. |
| 09:59.15 | Halitherses | E: Couldn't find package flash-block |
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| 10:00.11 | crazy_penguin | karsten: i c |
| 10:00.12 | karsten | Halitherses: It's not packaged, it's one of the FF/Iceweasel add-ons / extensions. |
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| 10:01.11 | shafire | !tell shafire about etch |
| 10:01.19 | Raging_Hog | Honestly, I can't get my kernel compiled. I feel really impotent |
| 10:02.04 | cahoot | Raging_Hog: linux-kbuild-2.6.18 - Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 10:02.07 | *** part/#debian deb_noob (n=deb_noob@adsl-69-210-154-244.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) |
| 10:02.16 | xingu | !kernel-package |
| 10:02.16 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 10:02.27 | shafire | !monday |
| 10:02.28 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 10:02.32 | shafire | !mondays |
| 10:02.33 | dpkg | o/~ I want to shoot, shoo-oo-oo-oo-ooot the whole day down! |
| 10:02.38 | shafire | !tuesday |
| 10:02.38 | dpkg | from memory, tuesday is soylent green day |
| 10:02.38 | teledyn | ah i need to run update-menus as the user |
| 10:02.40 | teledyn | doh |
| 10:02.51 | shafire | !friday |
| 10:02.51 | dpkg | it has been said that friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 10:02.57 | shafire | !shutup |
| 10:02.58 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
| 10:03.01 | cahoot | shafire: please... |
| 10:03.05 | shafire | :D |
| 10:03.07 | shafire | sorry |
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| 10:03.32 | shafire | dpkg, bot programmed in which language? |
| 10:03.41 | liable | perl |
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| 10:04.12 | shafire | ok thx |
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| 10:07.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | What's better, xinetd or openbsd-inetd? |
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| 10:08.18 | xingu | !better |
| 10:08.18 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 10:09.54 | Raging_Hog | I've used aptitude to fetch the kernel stuff. Could it be a problem? |
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| 10:11.07 | liable | Raging_Hog: what are you actually compiling? |
| 10:12.44 | Raging_Hog | the bottom of this is that vmware workstation wants to compile a module. Then I thought there's a problem with kernel because I get errors on make menuconfig(which should work according to allmighty google) |
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| 10:13.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: As in safer, more stable etc... |
| 10:13.23 | LMZ | when installing debian i can didn't boot manager at all? |
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| 10:13.51 | LMZ | *install boot manager at all? |
| 10:14.05 | liable | Raging_Hog: what you posted before, looked like you just had headers, not source |
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| 10:14.24 | liable | Raging_Hog: if you want to use make menuconfig, you need the source |
| 10:14.50 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: much of a muchness; xinetd is more configurable and can deal with issues like rate limiting - but this comes at the cost of increased complexity, and complexity breeds fragility. |
| 10:15.30 | Raging_Hog | liable, I'll try that |
| 10:15.31 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: xinetd is usually an admission that your network architecture stinks and your applications are buggy or ill configured. |
| 10:15.51 | Raging_Hog | seems like I wanted a minimal system and I got one |
| 10:15.59 | Gnea | heh |
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| 10:18.34 | Gnea | liable: hey, do you have a cellphone? |
| 10:18.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: But that still doesn't answer my question.. :) |
| 10:18.53 | nayyares | i want to install rvskin with cpanel, any guide line? |
| 10:19.04 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: ask a vague question, get a vague answer :) |
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| 10:19.20 | Gnea | nayyares: google? |
| 10:19.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnea: I elaborated what I meant by better. :) |
| 10:19.34 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: I tell you what, you come up with a deterministic metric for "safer" and then we'll talk turkey |
| 10:20.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Has less security holes, has less bugs, doesn't have as many problems as the other, etc... |
| 10:20.35 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: not really |
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| 10:20.56 | xingu | xinetd has a larger source tree - the probability of a bug existing is constant in any given expression - more expressions, the greater the probability of at least one bug. |
| 10:20.58 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: so search some security sites and decide for yourself |
| 10:21.22 | Gnea | bugtraq likely has the most of each |
| 10:21.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnea: It's not that, I just have both installed and feel like scrapping one. It's not that important. |
| 10:22.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | My system is a personal computer, and I'm behind a NAT so it's not a big deal. I just asked quickly to see what you guys thought. |
| 10:22.28 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: if you don't know why you're using either I'd actually suggest you remove both, but that's just me |
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| 10:22.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Don't I need an inetd? |
| 10:22.56 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: ok, well think about it like this then: if one has had more vulnerabilities than the other, but the other has less vulnerabilities now, but the one has more people working on it and pushes out releases faster than the other and responses to security issues are handled faster and more efficiently, which one would you go for? |
| 10:23.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Since on this system, I don't have a lot to lose really, the latter |
| 10:23.24 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: just because you asked quickly doesn't *always* mean that you'll get a quick answer :) |
| 10:23.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
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| 10:23.55 | Gnea | not trying to be a dick, just letting you know how it is :) |
| 10:24.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok. |
| 10:24.14 | Gnea | so which would you go for? |
| 10:24.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | The one that pushes out releases faster, responds to issues more quickly and efficiently |
| 10:24.38 | christopherl | I want to have all 12 months news from a webpage rss, but it only shows me last month in my rss reader, someone know? |
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| 10:25.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | christopherl: If your RSS reader happens to be Akregator (KDE), I can help you |
| 10:25.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnea: Which one of those two fits that description? |
| 10:25.38 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: that's a good question, i haven't checked up on it in a longass time |
| 10:25.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... |
| 10:26.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | brb |
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| 10:28.17 | d4t2ill4 | hello |
| 10:28.31 | d4t2ill4 | how can I restore the php.ini file? |
| 10:29.06 | streuner__ | from backup? |
| 10:29.34 | d4t2ill4 | hmm good idea |
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| 10:31.51 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: http://www.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities select xinetd->xinetd from the pulldown menus or search for inetd in the query box |
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| 10:32.40 | Raging_Hog | ok, now the kernel problem is that I don't have version.h, autoconf.h or asm directory in the headers. If I compile the kernel will these appear? |
| 10:33.08 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: yes |
| 10:33.10 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: you can further isolate the list with the search options |
| 10:33.32 | Raging_Hog | ok, I'll do it then |
| 10:33.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, so it's had some vunrabilities |
| 10:33.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I don't see openbsd-inetd on the list |
| 10:34.04 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: you should probably tell what exactly you are tryign to do. |
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| 10:35.40 | Gnea | nor do i |
| 10:35.44 | Gnea | maybe it's called something else |
| 10:36.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gnea: Let's just do this the short way: Which would you prefer? :) |
| 10:36.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | You, personally |
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| 10:36.51 | Raging_Hog | valdyn, I need VMWare Workstation to compile a kernel module. And when I point it to kernel headers it won't find /asm, version.h nor autoconf.h |
| 10:37.43 | Gnea | Dark_Apostrophe: lol, i just stick with inetd, xinetd is too much of a hassle, plus debian tends to stay on top of it's own vulnerabilities quite well |
| 10:37.55 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: guess you mean 'when i point it to an unconfigured kernel source tree' |
| 10:38.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
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| 10:38.40 | Raging_Hog | valdyn, I guess that's right. Any other way to configure than compilation? |
| 10:38.49 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: why don't you compile against the linux-headers-* package for your kernel? |
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| 10:39.59 | Raging_Hog | valdyn, I got the linux-headers-$(uname -r) but it didn't help |
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| 10:40.16 | anapivirtua | Hi al |
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| 10:41.16 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: im confused, which kernel are you running ? 2.6.17-* ? there don't even is a header package for that in debian |
| 10:41.19 | tam | anyone here know how to remove a bios password from a toshiba QOSMIO G30-163 laptop? i know its not specific oritentated, but any info would be appreciatred |
| 10:42.05 | pumpkin0 | tam: toshs have/had master password for the BIOS. Search a bit in google. |
| 10:42.15 | Raging_Hog | valdyn, I had 2.6.17-2 yesterday and someone told me to upgrade it so now I've got 2.6.18-3 |
| 10:42.49 | tam | pumpkin0: sweet |
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| 10:43.00 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: what's the error you are getting when you try to compile against the headers? |
| 10:43.20 | pumpkin0 | tam: it is a gigant glaring security hole and not sweet ... |
| 10:43.43 | tam | pumpkin0: also not good for people who lose their passwd :( |
| 10:43.45 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: vmware says that it doesn't find /linux, /asm, or /net directories(only asm is actually missing) |
| 10:44.05 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: so maybe you gave it the wrong directory? |
| 10:44.08 | Raging_Hog | when I copy asm-generic to asm it then complains about version.h and autoconf.h |
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| 10:45.19 | desktux | Raging_Hog: are you sure you have the correct kernel-headers? These files are available on my system |
| 10:45.31 | valdyn | !vmware |
| 10:45.31 | dpkg | well, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 10:45.42 | desktux | Raging_Hog: to get the correct kernel-headers you should apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 10:45.51 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: I tried with both the 2.6.18-3 and 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 10:46.03 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: 'uname -r' so i can tell you how to fix up the whole source tree for this |
| 10:46.09 | Raging_Hog | and with the 2.6.17-3 |
| 10:46.13 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: though your 'error' does not yet make sense |
| 10:46.27 | Raging_Hog | *2.6.17-2 |
| 10:46.34 | Raging_Hog | now I've got 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 10:47.53 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: you, get into your source tree, run: 'cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) && make-kpkg --append-to-version -3-686 kernel-image', abort after a short while ( Ctrl-C ) |
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| 10:48.08 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: you, get into your source tree, run: 'cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./ && make-kpkg --append-to-version -3-686 kernel-image', abort after a short while ( Ctrl-C ) |
| 10:48.20 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: geez, i had 2 typos aboe |
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| 10:48.48 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: 'cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config && make-kpkg --append-to-version -3-686 kernel-image' |
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| 10:48.57 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: that's the right line ^^^ |
| 10:48.58 | Quibus | hi all |
| 10:49.01 | mind2 | hi |
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| 10:49.17 | Quibus | It seems I put some important file on my /tmp which got erased at reboot. Any way to recover the file? |
| 10:49.29 | valdyn | Quibus: no |
| 10:49.44 | pumpkin0 | Quibus: 2-3 weeks work with sleuthkit. |
| 10:49.45 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: did that. Now what? |
| 10:49.55 | Quibus | damn |
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| 10:50.14 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: ok, if you didn't abort to soon, try compiling the vmware module against this tree |
| 10:50.29 | mind2 | during install, where can I get a ssh over ethernet in a kind of "net-netinstall"? |
| 10:50.30 | Quibus | I thought there were these ext2 undel tools |
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| 10:50.50 | amphi | Quibus: it's ext2 or 3? |
| 10:50.57 | Quibus | I hoped they might work on ext3 as well :S |
| 10:50.59 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: still the same error. |
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| 10:51.07 | amphi | Quibus: nope, I believe not |
| 10:51.36 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: no wait |
| 10:51.41 | mind2 | I mean installing from ssh, booting from usb-stick: what have I got to search for? |
| 10:51.48 | pumpkin0 | mind2: net-netinstall ? You have a ssh-client available during netinstall. Just switch to console and start ssh. |
| 10:51.56 | amphi | Quibus: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ext3-no-undeletion.html |
| 10:51.56 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match |
| 10:51.59 | Raging_Hog | your running kernel (version 2.6.18-3-686). Even if the module were to compile |
| 10:52.40 | mind2 | pumpkin0: I just wanna install without pluggin the monitor in. (Don't have 2 monitor) |
| 10:53.29 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: make clean in your vmware tree, make-kpkg clean and make-kpkg --append-to-version -3-686 kernel-image in your kernel source tree |
| 10:53.39 | pumpkin0 | mind2: you could just switch the the HD into the other PC and use debbootstrap to install debian on that HD. |
| 10:53.57 | Quibus | OK, clear. Thanks. |
| 10:53.58 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: again you can abort the kernel compilation soonish, and try compiling vmware again |
| 10:54.13 | Quibus | see you later |
| 10:54.13 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: I'm not compiling vmware, I'm running it's perl script that wants to make a module |
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| 10:54.59 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: well, get a clean vmware module source tree. |
| 10:55.45 | Raging_Hog | kernel hacking programs are from satan |
| 10:55.51 | mind2 | pumpkin0: yea, but unfortunately, the other pc doesn't run linux |
| 10:56.07 | mind2 | uhm well live cd |
| 10:56.10 | mind2 | thnx |
| 10:56.12 | mind2 | ^^ |
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| 10:56.42 | mind2 | I want something over ethernet though |
| 10:56.47 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: I uninstalled vmware and reinstalled but it's caught on the same error |
| 10:57.38 | valdyn | Raging_Hog: maybe i can see something if you paste the whole output of compiling that module, that error message isn't 'nice' |
| 10:58.02 | craigevil | Raging_Hog: get the any-any-update from http://maledivenhilfe.com/dl/vmware/ and follow the read me |
| 10:58.06 | valdyn | !paste |
| 10:58.06 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 10:58.51 | Moorenkopf | may I use kaffe within firefox? |
| 10:59.08 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: kaffe has a java plugin? |
| 10:59.13 | valdyn | Moorenkopf: kaffe has a java plugin for firefox ? |
| 10:59.29 | lord_rob | Hi ! Does the fact that etch is frozen prevent new packages to come in sid ? |
| 10:59.37 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 10:59.40 | Moorenkopf | k |
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| 10:59.52 | HardDisk_WP | any RAR password hack programm for debian available? |
| 10:59.57 | valdyn | lord_rob: no, but it's convenient for maintainers to not upload new packages to sid |
| 11:00.03 | Raging_Hog | craigevil, thanks. I've used the update before but didn't know it fixes this too. All the pain for nothing |
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| 11:00.41 | Raging_Hog | valdyn: thank you for your help and forgive me for not knowing |
| 11:00.46 | craigevil | you keep getting the unable to find kernel header error? if thats it it will fix the problem |
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| 11:03.02 | valdyn | lord_rob: 'new' packages should get into sid still, just new versions of existing packages are practically blocked |
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| 11:06.43 | mind2 | is worth of installing a amd64 on core2 instead of x86? |
| 11:06.54 | mind2 | sarge/amd64 |
| 11:07.20 | mind2 | some time ago it was only if you have more than 4G |
| 11:08.25 | pumpkin0 | mind2: the limit is more-then-3GB-RAM. |
| 11:08.34 | dondelelcaro | it actually depends what you're doing |
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| 11:08.49 | Kryptor | dondelelcaro NO IT DOESNT HELP THE MAN |
| 11:08.59 | nvz | I am trying to run cgiirc, and all is well but the images wont display and the error I get regaurding them in the apache log is "file permissions deny server ex |
| 11:09.03 | dondelelcaro | and frankly, the ia32 instruction set is so crappy that the 64 bit overhead isn't that big of a deal. |
| 11:09.08 | dondelelcaro | Kryptor: excuse me? |
| 11:09.12 | nvz | ecution |
| 11:09.13 | HardDisk_WP | any RAR password hack programm for debian available? |
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| 11:09.46 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: why would one need such? |
| 11:10.03 | nvz | cahoot: downloaded pr0n and cant figure out how to open it |
| 11:10.04 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, i got here a archive and forgot password |
| 11:10.10 | xingu | cahoot: 0dayz debs |
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| 11:10.32 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: 1.3 mio hits: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&hs=BIa&q=rar+linux+password&btnG=Search |
| 11:10.39 | HardDisk_WP | nvz, lol...people who put porn in archives must be slapped |
| 11:11.02 | dondelelcaro | clearly compressing JPGs is important |
| 11:11.03 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: yeah.. I guess.. though they'd probably like that |
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| 11:12.02 | nvz | I am having a problem geting cgiirc to display images on apache its telling me "file permissions deny server execution" and I've been mucking with file permissions for half an hour and dont know wtf the problem is |
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| 11:12.38 | nvz | I dont know why the hell its "executing" image files to begin with |
| 11:12.42 | dondelelcaro | nvz: sounds like the CGI itself can't be executed |
| 11:12.56 | dondelelcaro | nvz: alternatively, a directory in the path isn't +x |
| 11:13.03 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the cgiirc gateway is fully operational and I can chat with it using irssi |
| 11:13.10 | shafire | someone prefer more to python or ruby? |
| 11:13.10 | nvz | dondelelcaro: just the images in it wont display |
| 11:13.28 | dondelelcaro | shafire: that's rather OT here; try asking in #python or #ruby |
| 11:13.37 | shafire | i can't |
| 11:13.37 | shafire | :( |
| 11:13.45 | shafire | i will learn ruby or python |
| 11:13.47 | shafire | don't know :O |
| 11:13.54 | dondelelcaro | shafire: well, they're the people to ask, not us |
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| 11:14.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and the links to the images don't go through the CGI? |
| 11:14.08 | shafire | i thinkruby is bigger |
| 11:14.15 | superchounet | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.17 | valdyn | shafire: 'bigger' ? |
| 11:14.24 | shafire | yes |
| 11:14.29 | shafire | rails community |
| 11:14.52 | dondelelcaro | shafire: so use ruby; this really isn't a language comparison channel. |
| 11:14.58 | xingu | nvz: sounds like the path the images are in is scriptaliased |
| 11:15.16 | dondelelcaro | that's possible too |
| 11:15.31 | dondelelcaro | ScriptAlias is often overused |
| 11:15.36 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, most of this is commercial software spam |
| 11:15.40 | nvz | dondelelcaro: umm it says the image src is |
| 11:15.54 | nvz | dondelelcaro: umm it says the image src is /cgi-bin/cgiirc/image.gif or whatever |
| 11:16.02 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: http://freshmeat.net/projects/pcl/ ? |
| 11:16.09 | xingu | nvz: so that's the expected result if /cgi-bin/ is scriptaliased |
| 11:16.10 | dondelelcaro | nvz: oh; well, yeah, it's probably because /cgi-bin is SetHandler cgi-script |
| 11:16.21 | xingu | nvz: move the images to /moo/image.gif and fix the app |
| 11:16.37 | nvz | dondelelcaro: xingu: the path was a symlink so I moved the damn images into /usr/lib/cgi-bin/cgiirc/images/ |
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| 11:16.59 | nvz | which is where it looks for them I guess cause that dir was a symlink |
| 11:17.00 | dondelelcaro | nvz: they should just be in /usr/share/cgiirc/images |
| 11:17.11 | dondelelcaro | nvz: and there probably should be a rewrite rule for them |
| 11:17.14 | nvz | dondelelcaro: thats where they were originally :P |
| 11:17.16 | xingu | nvz: not talking about filesystem, talking about web server config |
| 11:17.18 | dondelelcaro | (if you don't want to munge the app) |
| 11:17.23 | thechef | After I once ignore a package collision (dpkg), how can i let apt uprade the system by ignoring the collision too? |
| 11:17.31 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, how do i use that thing for my rar archive? |
| 11:17.39 | dondelelcaro | thechef: what do you mean by "collision"? |
| 11:17.42 | HardDisk_WP | if i read this right i still need a crack progream |
| 11:17.48 | thechef | sec |
| 11:18.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: but apache bitched about following a symlink when they were in /usr/share and symlinked |
| 11:18.37 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: yes. Make a re-depend search on that prog is using that thing (i never had to crack a rar, so i'm just reading the google-hits...) |
| 11:18.41 | dondelelcaro | nvz: they shouldn't be symlinked from /cgi-bin; there should be an Alias and a Directory stanza to make those images accessible |
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| 11:19.29 | nvz | dondelelcaro: hmm.. I dunno the thing just worked out of the box all but the images I am gonna revert it all back to the default |
| 11:19.30 | dondelelcaro | nvz: something like Alias /cgiirc-images /usr/share/cgiirc/images/; <Directory /usr/share/cgiirc/images> Order allow,deny; Allow from all; </Directory> or similar. ;==\n |
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| 11:19.55 | thechef | dondelelcaro, libswt3.2-gtk-java: Conflicts: libswt-gtk-3.2-java but 3.2.1-4 is installed |
| 11:20.16 | thechef | hum, wait.. |
| 11:20.20 | mind2 | dondelelcaro: I want a xen-sarge system |
| 11:20.33 | dondelelcaro | mind2: ? |
| 11:20.35 | mind2 | gcc64 rocks? |
| 11:20.51 | mind2 | dondelelcaro: about previous question |
| 11:20.52 | dondelelcaro | mind2: it's just gcc |
| 11:21.13 | mind2 | are the bin faster on amd64? |
| 11:21.32 | pumpkin0 | mind2: +-10%. |
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| 11:21.36 | dondelelcaro | mind2: depends; most are probably the same (maybe slightly slower or faster) |
| 11:21.37 | mind2 | ok |
| 11:21.58 | dondelelcaro | mind2: normally apps are slower on 64 bit, but the crappiness of the IA32 instruction set evens things out somewhat |
| 11:21.59 | mind2 | I gonna give it a try then :D |
| 11:22.39 | dondelelcaro | thechef: that's a correct conflict. Only one of those libraries should be installed. |
| 11:22.54 | dondelelcaro | !+info libswt3.2-gtk-java |
| 11:22.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:23.01 | dpkg | libswt3.2-gtk-java: (Fast and rich GUI toolkit for Java, gtk2 version), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.2.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1645 kB, Installed size: 1796 kB |
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| 11:23.39 | thechef | Okay, but by ignoring this conflict I can run both eclipse and azureus, otherwise the depencies force me the uninstall either eclipse or azureus |
| 11:25.19 | Moorenkopf | I can't find out which symlinks have to created to use to kaffe plugin. Can anyone give me a hint? I can't even locate a *javaplugin*.so |
| 11:25.26 | nvz | dondelelcaro: thanks, that alias did the trick. |
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| 11:26.52 | thechef | ah, i found it, apt-get has a force-option too |
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| 11:27.01 | dondelelcaro | thechef: that force option doesn't do what you think it does. |
| 11:27.16 | thechef | right now it works |
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| 11:27.42 | dondelelcaro | um... no. |
| 11:27.54 | dondelelcaro | --force-yes has nothing to do with dpkg's force options. |
| 11:28.10 | dondelelcaro | thechef: in order to fix the problem, you have to actually fix the packages by removing the conflict from libswt3.2-gtk-java using dpkg-deb and your editor. |
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| 11:28.45 | dondelelcaro | thechef: this is #340998, btw. |
| 11:28.48 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 340998 |
| 11:28.52 | dpkg | DONE:#340998:W[libswt3.2-gtk-java] libswt3.2-gtk-java: Should not conflict with libswt-gtk-3.2-java; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:33:01 UTC |
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| 11:29.55 | desktux | Moorenkopf: maybe 'update-alternatives --all' could help you |
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| 11:31.27 | Moorenkopf | desktux: no, didn't help |
| 11:32.05 | sam_uk | i am using studio 64 which is only about 90% debian so feel free to ignore me if you like.. I seem to have corrupted my filesystem and i would like some help in the usage of fsck. i have read the man page and still do not understand how to run it to check my root filesystem... |
| 11:32.22 | dondelelcaro | sam_uk: which filesystem? |
| 11:32.22 | war | there are many, collectd, cacti, etc, what is the best rrd/tool/graphing sw to graph traffic per-port using iptables' byte tracking? |
| 11:33.12 | superchounet | my problem with ati and fglrx is here : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5146 |
| 11:33.13 | dondelelcaro | munin is my favorite; you can rather easily create plugins to do that. |
| 11:33.19 | sam_uk | ext3 |
| 11:33.23 | Tempest2k | im having a problem with debian etch, when system comes up eth0 seems like it has not come up cant get into machine, if i do an ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 it fixes it but anybody no what is causing it |
| 11:33.27 | Tempest2k | > |
| 11:33.29 | dondelelcaro | sam_uk: fsck /dev/foo; will do it. |
| 11:33.38 | war | Also does anyone here have a 965 chipset w/ onboard video? how do you get 3d to work? |
| 11:33.39 | dondelelcaro | sam_uk: assuming you've got fsck.ext3 installed. |
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| 11:34.10 | dondelelcaro | sam_uk: to figure out which is your root filesystem you'll have to look at your fstab or from memory if you can't see the fstab. |
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| 11:36.24 | HardDisk_WP | where can i downlaod the MSVCRT? |
| 11:36.32 | xingu | war: cacti works well enough for that sort of thing; ntop also has a netflow probe which might be worth your time investigating |
| 11:37.46 | sam_uk | fstab: http://pastebin.ca/323449 |
| 11:37.55 | war | xingu: do you use cacti? |
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| 11:38.17 | xingu | war: not any more, but in the past yes. |
| 11:38.56 | war | xingu: do you use any type of network tools anymore? |
| 11:39.42 | xingu | war: yes, but they're all commercial |
| 11:39.49 | liable | i hate it when dvd's become coasters |
| 11:39.52 | xingu | ie, non-free |
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| 11:40.15 | dondelelcaro | liable: it's worse when they're ones you've bought |
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| 11:40.42 | liable | dondelelcaro: heh, indeed |
| 11:41.00 | war | xingu: k |
| 11:41.38 | liable | hrm, totem plays it, vlc doesnt, mplayer doesnt.. |
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| 11:41.49 | xingu | war: probably the simplest interface counter to start up is mrtg; cacti/rrdtool you'll need as the goal for poll resolution shrinks and the number monitored interfaces increases |
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| 11:42.23 | SNow | hey guys, having a big weird problem, I have a router (192.168.0.1) and a apache2 box (192.168.0.100) there are quite large number of visitors, and strange thing happened today, the ip_conntrack module floods, and drops the packets, so I increased it to 60 000 and now it uses ~ 25 000 connections. nevertheless, the page doesn't want to open, for example, doing lynx to 192.168.0.100 from 192.168.0.1 says OK, but the most interesting thing in this story is that |
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| 11:42.53 | gareth | can anyone recommend any repositories in which i can get all of the contents of the cd's without having to download all of them |
| 11:42.57 | SNow | (192.168.0.100) the router (192.168.0.1) goes way down, it starts to be unreachable, it doesn't do nat, conntrack drops the table, and I get this error too: |
| 11:43.08 | liable | correction, gmplayer doesnt, mplayer does |
| 11:43.11 | SNow | kernel: NAT: no longer support implicit source local NAT |
| 11:43.12 | dondelelcaro | gareth: all mirrors have them |
| 11:43.15 | SNow | kernel: NAT: packet src 192.168.0.1 -> dst 195.22.174.130 |
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| 11:43.48 | SNow | and the website, on (192.168.0.1) opens fine (on other, non default port) |
| 11:43.57 | christopherl | hello all, does anybody know if there are some rss reader that supports to search for old news? ex. last years news. |
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| 11:44.56 | SNow | <SNow> and the website, on (192.168.0.1) opens fine (on other, non default |
| 11:45.11 | war | xingu: k |
| 11:45.20 | boodie | Hi - I can't setup my printer in gimp ... can anybody give me a hint? |
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| 11:45.26 | SNow | no ideas? |
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| 11:45.42 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 11:45.42 | dpkg | well, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 11:45.45 | fraudster | is 8 hours enough for memtest86 to run? |
| 11:45.50 | SNow | anybody? |
| 11:45.51 | SNow | any help ? |
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| 11:46.07 | tarzeau | fraudster: plenty |
| 11:46.17 | fraudster | tarzeau, k, I had to be sure |
| 11:46.23 | Hoxzer | where should I look for errors if cdrom doesn't seem to work propelly? |
| 11:46.27 | fraudster | tarzeau, no errors yay! :P |
| 11:46.37 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: dmesg ? how does it not work properly? |
| 11:46.48 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: could be the drive, the media.. |
| 11:47.03 | boodie | In the printer dialogue of gimp, I can't set my model (which otherwise works no problem with CUPS) |
| 11:47.03 | PingFloyd | gosam: I give up, how? |
| 11:47.14 | fraudster | tarzeau, default settings are good? they will find errors? |
| 11:47.30 | Hoxzer | tarzeau: tarzeau I dont see it at df -h and also eject cdrom deosn't find it |
| 11:47.37 | boodie | How can I instruct GIMP to just send to CUPS? |
| 11:47.54 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: did you change kernel? did it ever work? is the /dev/cdrom linked tot he right device? what says dmesg about it? |
| 11:48.08 | Hoxzer | tarzeau: hell yeah, it did |
| 11:48.09 | fraudster | tarzeau, ! |
| 11:48.10 | tarzeau | fraudster: you can change anything in the settings? |
| 11:48.16 | xingu | SNow: that was a little unstructured; I'd suggest you start putting together a web page with the relevant detail - a logical (network layer) diagramme, interface configs, indications of where packet rewriting is happening, and log data. |
| 11:48.20 | sam_uk | if fsck says root; clean 214873/1769472 files, 1858205/3538316 blocks is that good? has it done anything? is it telling me that my filesystem is not actually corrupted? |
| 11:48.23 | fraudster | tarzeau, umm... like how errors displayed |
| 11:48.31 | SNow | fraudster http://p.data.lt/24 |
| 11:48.50 | tarzeau | fraudster: was it red? |
| 11:48.52 | xingu | SNow: diagnosing a melting webserver is at least half a day's work |
| 11:48.55 | tarzeau | fraudster: if it's not red, it's all fine |
| 11:49.04 | fraudster | tarzeau, no red :) |
| 11:49.05 | SNow | xingu everything was working fine, even on bigger load |
| 11:49.14 | SNow | but today this thing happened |
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| 11:49.20 | fraudster | tarzeau, the errors are in red? on the blue background |
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| 11:49.54 | Hoxzer | tarzeau: http://pastebin.ca/323456 |
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| 11:50.01 | SNow | xingu maybe's it an attack ? |
| 11:50.09 | gareth | is it safe to install stable packages on testing? |
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| 11:50.12 | SNow | everything was just fine, but today everything crashed |
| 11:50.23 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: i don't see any optical device |
| 11:50.32 | Hoxzer | tarzeau: me either |
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| 11:50.39 | Hoxzer | it is in ide1 |
| 11:50.52 | xingu | SNow: can't comment; I don't know whether your topology is stable and I don't know what's changed recently |
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| 11:51.08 | SNow | nothing changed, it happened at the night.. |
| 11:51.14 | SNow | yesterday was fine |
| 11:51.26 | fraudster | tarzeau, ! |
| 11:51.37 | SNow | the strangest part for me, is the apache2 stops, when I stop apache on the webserver the router crashes |
| 11:51.43 | SNow | it starts making weird things |
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| 11:52.21 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/323460 tarzeau whole dmesg |
| 11:52.42 | xingu | SNow: there's a host of possible failure modes; start by documenting the topology |
| 11:53.38 | SNow | the topology of what |
| 11:53.56 | oNLYFORHOBBY | list |
| 11:54.10 | blondie | this isn't a warez channel |
| 11:54.18 | xingu | SNow: your network |
| 11:54.29 | SNow | Jan 21 13:28:52 sniegas kernel: NAT: no longer support implicit source local NAT |
| 11:54.31 | SNow | that's for what ? |
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| 11:55.44 | oNLYFORHOBBY | hello everyone |
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| 11:56.00 | SNow | bet ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 11:56.08 | SNow | last message repeated 6 times |
| 11:56.12 | amorphous_ | hello everybody. I'm looking at buying caddies to save me losing so much data with my constant swapping of drives etc, and I'm wondering if I have come up with a grand idea - or id it's pants and only good in my head... If I get a 5.25" usb caddy, and then an internal hdd caddy could I slide the caddy into the caddy (so to speak) with no probs??? if so, that would give e close to hotplugged hdd, would it not? |
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| 11:58.24 | eisen | if you have a hotplug sata controller it is even closer |
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| 11:59.29 | xingu | SNow: it seems highly likely that the kernel side of iptables, specifically conntrack is running out of resource; either an internal table is full of the box is low on memory |
| 11:59.47 | Hoxzer | ok |
| 12:00.05 | SNow | total: 374 used: 204 |
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| 12:00.26 | xingu | SNow: you might consider shortening the relevant session timer in conntrack as a bandaid; you might consider a redesign to a stateless 1:1 static nat |
| 12:00.29 | SNow | the strangest part for me xingu is that when I'm stopping apache2 on 192.168.0.100 or restarting it, the 192.168.0.1 router box becomes unconnectable |
| 12:00.36 | SNow | when apache2 starts again, it becomes alive again |
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| 12:01.29 | xingu | snow: quite likely; when apache is shut down, the gateway will be recieving a metric truckload of rst's |
| 12:01.56 | SNow | so what should I do ? |
| 12:02.04 | xingu | SNow: I'm guessing that the load associated with processing them is greater than the load of rewriting and forwarding segments in active flows |
| 12:02.23 | SNow | and why when it's up, the 192.168.0.100 is not reachable, users cannot connect to the site, they get connection refused, but the apache2 is still running |
| 12:02.30 | SNow | from localhosts it connects |
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| 12:02.46 | SNow | xingu do you have any solution to this? |
| 12:02.54 | xingu | SNow: yes; switch it off. |
| 12:03.00 | SNow | :)) |
| 12:03.04 | SNow | not a good idea.. |
| 12:03.12 | SNow | maybe another one sir? |
| 12:03.20 | xingu | SNow: alternatively, start at the start - produce a logical network diagramme and publish it; also add interface configuration detail and relevant log messages. |
| 12:04.00 | xingu | SNow: then maybe someone will be interested; what you have so far are and adhoc series of symptoms, all tending toward poor design choices breaking under unexpected load |
| 12:04.14 | SNow | adhoc ? |
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| 12:06.22 | oNLYFORHOBBY | names |
| 12:07.15 | capiira | hello |
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| 12:09.37 | CAiRO | in iceweasle, how do i get the looks of my old tabbar from firefox 1.5 back/ |
| 12:09.45 | CAiRO | it was much cleaner and easier to read & use |
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| 12:10.19 | CAiRO | the backgroundcolor changes after half of the tab, that's bad |
| 12:11.02 | capiira | seach for themes |
| 12:11.15 | capiira | maybe firefox themes still works |
| 12:12.01 | SNow | http://p.data.lt/25 |
| 12:12.10 | CAiRO | but as i can see, the theme is still the same, only the looks of the tabs have changed |
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| 12:14.49 | SNow | xingu is it ok now? |
| 12:14.55 | gareth | hi, is it safe to install stable packages on a testing system or should you only use the ones that you are using e.g. in my case testing? |
| 12:15.22 | PingFloyd | gareth: what do you think? |
| 12:15.52 | gareth | obviously i am unsure, due to the naming convention i would presume stable will be fine |
| 12:15.55 | Kryptor | PingFloyd: that name is nerd |
| 12:16.27 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: how is name nerd? |
| 12:16.35 | xingu | SNow: there's so much dnat going on for that outside IP address it makes my head spin; do you understand how dnat works? |
| 12:16.36 | Kryptor | Ping Floyd |
| 12:16.41 | Kryptor | thats just homo |
| 12:17.13 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: might I suggest you become familiar with the concept of adjectives and nouns |
| 12:17.29 | valdyn | !homo |
| 12:17.29 | dpkg | i heard homo is misspelled ~ |
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| 12:17.51 | valdyn | !gay |
| 12:17.51 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 12:18.29 | SNow | xingu no I actually don't |
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| 12:18.35 | gareth | PingFloyd, am i correct? |
| 12:18.43 | {cyborg} | How can I know which package a given file does belong to ? |
| 12:18.44 | SNow | what is your suggestion, put webserver on routers place? |
| 12:18.51 | PingFloyd | gareth: it's generally a bad idea to mix branches like that |
| 12:19.04 | valdyn | {cyborg}: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 12:19.10 | kisielk_jp | gareth, what's wrong with the testing version of said package? |
| 12:19.14 | gareth | PingFloyd, thats fine thats all i needed to know |
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| 12:19.21 | karmatronic | {cyborg}, apt-file search your_file |
| 12:19.32 | {cyborg} | thanks valdyn, karmatronic |
| 12:19.36 | xingu | SNow: my suggestion would be that if you actually want to handle ~16k+ active sessions, that you ask your transit provider for a global IP address to hang it on. |
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| 12:20.39 | oNLYFORHOBBY | jetspeed? |
| 12:20.41 | oNLYFORHOBBY | hello jetspeed |
| 12:21.21 | Kryptor | hey my ftpwho command is not showing me how much % a user is downloaded from me, i'm using proftpd |
| 12:21.26 | Kryptor | it just sits on 0%, any suggestions? |
| 12:21.44 | xingu | SNow: and that you don't choose dnat as the method of working for it; if translation really is necessary, use stateless nat (via iproute2) |
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| 12:23.01 | wangxq | call for oNLYFORHOBBY ... |
| 12:23.18 | xingu | SNow: if you want to know where this perspective comes from, first you need to read up on how dnat actually works; and then ask yourself how many bits there are in a socket's port number. |
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| 12:23.45 | SNow | I really asked.. but they can't provide me that, even for additional feez they don't they say that it's technically impossible |
| 12:23.45 | SNow | because, the ip binds to routers port |
| 12:23.47 | SNow | xingu maybe I should switch servers? |
| 12:25.56 | xingu | SNow: you'll get different failure modes under stress if you rehome apache2 onto your gateway system; but the design hasn't changed, and neither has the flaw. |
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| 12:26.23 | CrocoJet | hi all |
| 12:26.36 | CrocoJet | I am an indian ! |
| 12:26.42 | blondie | CrocoJet: so? |
| 12:26.51 | CrocoJet | I was trying compile gnome 2.16.1 |
| 12:26.54 | CrocoJet | lol |
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| 12:27.07 | kisielk_jp | and I'm Polish, what's your point? |
| 12:27.29 | CrocoJet | iam kidding .. only slang from Brazil |
| 12:27.35 | blondie | if you want to compile things, try gentoo |
| 12:27.47 | CrocoJet | not bad idea, blondie |
| 12:27.58 | CrocoJet | do you use gentoo ? |
| 12:28.09 | CrocoJet | (blondie) |
| 12:28.18 | xingu | SNow: instead of crippling http, the odds will favour failure in your other tcp applications; the real answer is additional addressing - letting your gateway's socket table fill is an ultimately doomed approach |
| 12:28.20 | kisielk_jp | I hear people in #gentoo use it a lot |
| 12:28.23 | blondie | most certainly not |
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| 12:28.32 | kisielk_jp | that's the word on the street anyway |
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| 12:28.49 | CrocoJet | but gentoo have only one person responsable for decisions, right ? |
| 12:28.52 | PingFloyd | CrocoJet: Debian has quite a different philosophy than Gentoo |
| 12:28.58 | LLcoolM | hi, firefox on etch upgraded to 2.0 after the feature-freeze. however. it is now called iceweasle (which i do not mind). But what I dont like is the new theme. there seems to be no way to get the original one - as it is delivered by default (on other distros, platforms). Any suggestions? The tabs on the new theme look really stupid |
| 12:29.19 | kisielk_jp | CrocoJet, um, no, there's tons of Gentoo developers |
| 12:29.21 | blondie | it's call iceweasel not iceweasle |
| 12:29.27 | kisielk_jp | I'm sure at least some of them make decisions sometimes |
| 12:29.29 | holycow | hey guys |
| 12:29.39 | holycow | what is the debian equivalent of /etc/rcrunlevel.d ? |
| 12:29.41 | LLcoolM | blondie: whatever, as i said, name's not important to me. the looks is |
| 12:29.42 | blondie | LLcoolM: what are you talking about? it looks exacly the same as firefox 2.0 on other platforms |
| 12:29.48 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:30.01 | blondie | CrocoJet: do you have a debian question? |
| 12:30.06 | LLcoolM | blondie: well, it looks way different from 1.5 |
| 12:30.06 | valdyn | holycow: just that /etc/rcrunlevel.d/ |
| 12:30.10 | wangxq | /etc/rc<n>.d |
| 12:30.12 | SNow | xingu I'm not goin to move apache2, I'm going to move all box |
| 12:30.17 | holycow | weird i don't have that dir |
| 12:30.19 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 12:30.20 | holycow | valdyn, thx |
| 12:30.25 | CrocoJet | blondie, is possible use gnome 2.16 with debian ? |
| 12:30.25 | kisielk_jp | LLcoolM, Firefox 2.0 looks quite different from 1.5 ... |
| 12:30.26 | nvz | what the hell is the blootbot package called? |
| 12:30.55 | valdyn | LLcoolM: firefox still can download themes and use those |
| 12:31.06 | LLcoolM | blondie: i just installed the neofox IE6 to get it at least a little good looks - i cant say i like that one but it was the best i could find as a replacement |
| 12:31.24 | blondie | I think firefox 2.0/iceweasel looks fine |
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| 12:31.27 | LLcoolM | but i'd rather get the old theme |
| 12:31.29 | CrocoJet | other question is about .deb and .rpm, what is main difference |
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| 12:31.44 | valdyn | LLcoolM: old themes is available... i just do not rememeber the name |
| 12:31.53 | xingu | SNow: you can prevent the corner case you're currently experiencing by using apache2's mod_cband |
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| 12:32.00 | valdyn | CrocoJet: none that concerns users, just don't mix them |
| 12:32.42 | kisielk_jp | CrocoJet, well, usually stuff in .rpm format isn't compiled to work on Debian.. |
| 12:32.54 | xingu | SNow: but ultimately rehoming the webserver to a more technically capable isp/ transit provider is probably the answer - iff - the /goal/ is to support >16k active connections. |
| 12:33.08 | kisielk_jp | CrocoJet, but Debian has utilities that allow you to maniuplate .rpm files |
| 12:34.09 | CrocoJet | valdyn, I heard that .deb is more clean to remove packages, do not leaving config, diorectories, etc |
| 12:34.09 | karmatronic | kisielk_jp, alien |
| 12:34.09 | CrocoJet | is that ? |
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| 12:34.09 | valdyn | CrocoJet: maybe, i'd assume rpm was capable of that too |
| 12:34.09 | kisielk_jp | karmatronic, yes, that's one of them :) |
| 12:34.09 | karmatronic | !alien |
| 12:34.09 | dpkg | hmm... alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 12:34.09 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:34.10 | CrocoJet | interesting ... |
| 12:34.11 | valdyn | CrocoJet: point really isnt the package format, but the quality and availability of the packages themselves |
| 12:34.16 | karmatronic | when it works,it works well |
| 12:34.44 | CrocoJet | about debian .. is more sensate use 3.1r4 or go to "etch" ? |
| 12:34.52 | valdyn | CrocoJet: up to you |
| 12:35.05 | valdyn | !dict sensate |
| 12:35.07 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sensate' (3): Sensate \Sen"sate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Sensated; p. pr. & vb. n. Sensating.] [See Sensated.] To feel or apprehend more or less distinctly through a sense, or the senses; as, to sensate light, or an odor. ;; having physical sensation; "sensate creatures" ;; As those of the one are sensated by the ear, so those of the other are by the eye. --R. Hooke.. |
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| 12:35.27 | larsl | How do you check the reason for a package being in Experimental? |
| 12:35.33 | blondie | I think he means "sensible" |
| 12:35.42 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:35.58 | valdyn | larsl: you don't, or you ask the maintainer, or you read the changelog, there's no standard way |
| 12:36.02 | CrocoJet | but one more question |
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| 12:36.11 | dpro | hmm anyone knows why I get all sorts of weird errors from libpthread when trying to compile dssi-vst ? (etch, just apt-get upgraded) |
| 12:36.12 | CrocoJet | gnome 2.16 is more stable than 2.14 ? |
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| 12:36.19 | valdyn | CrocoJet: no |
| 12:36.29 | holycow | *hmmm* when i run this line: update-rc.d /etc/init.d/pg82 defaults i get this error: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d//etc/init.d/pg82: file does not exist |
| 12:36.30 | CrocoJet | is not new version ? |
| 12:36.36 | valdyn | CrocoJet: so? |
| 12:36.36 | holycow | the resultant path is obviously wrong, but from where would it be retrieving that? |
| 12:36.37 | CrocoJet | more recent |
| 12:36.45 | blondie | that doesn't imply stability |
| 12:36.46 | kisielk_jp | CrocoJet, new does not imply more stable |
| 12:36.50 | CrocoJet | fixed lot bugs old version ,not ? |
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| 12:37.04 | blondie | CrocoJet: and introduced new bugs |
| 12:37.04 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:37.04 | kisielk_jp | fixed some old bugs, no doubt added new ones |
| 12:37.14 | CrocoJet | oh God |
| 12:37.23 | valdyn | CrocoJet: in gnome's 2.x.y versioning, x is features, y is bug fixing release |
| 12:37.27 | dpro | I mean stuff like this I should _never_ ever see: |
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| 12:37.55 | PingFloyd | heck, sometimes newer means more buggy |
| 12:37.59 | dpro | - /usr/include/pthread.h:285: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef struct pthread_st* pthread_t' |
| 12:38.04 | dpro | - /usr/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h:152: error: 'pthread_t' has a previous declaration as 'typedef long unsigned int pthread_t' |
| 12:38.09 | CrocoJet | well .. nowadays, 3.1rc4 is very stable, right ? |
| 12:38.17 | PingFloyd | at the very least, it usually means less tested and QAed |
| 12:38.17 | valdyn | dpro: you're OT, this isn't a coding channel |
| 12:38.23 | CrocoJet | that debian version use gnome 2.14 ? |
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| 12:39.03 | PingFloyd | CrocoJet: if you want low on bugs and stable, go with stable/sarge, that's what it's about |
| 12:39.04 | valdyn | CrocoJet: you don't need to care about version numbers, think about features if you must |
| 12:39.07 | dpro | valdyn: well sorry ... I thought here people might know if libpthread is essentially broken in etch ;) |
| 12:39.15 | valdyn | !bts |
| 12:39.15 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:39.17 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:39.22 | tiolxpe | anyone know how to increase the screen brigthness via software methods. I am on my laptop its quite dull ive tried shortcut keys and they done seem to work???? |
| 12:39.29 | valdyn | dpro: i doubt it is. |
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| 12:39.59 | CrocoJet | well with 3.1r4, I can use any program, right ? |
| 12:40.07 | PingFloyd | CrocoJet: it's older version of a lot of things though, but it's about stability, if you want more up to date, etch may be the direction for you |
| 12:40.10 | CrocoJet | for linux, of course |
| 12:40.25 | CrocoJet | PingFloyd, ok |
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| 12:40.47 | xingu | dpro: pthreads is going going gone anyway isn't it? I thought that nptl was the new new holy cow of threading. |
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| 12:40.57 | CrocoJet | PingFloyd, but etch is experimental.. yet .. may be full crashed |
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| 12:41.04 | PingFloyd | CrocoJet: for programs, you're are best off sticking to getting them through debian repos where ever possible |
| 12:41.04 | CrocoJet | crashes |
| 12:41.17 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:41.18 | valdyn | !etch |
| 12:41.18 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 12:41.23 | CrocoJet | understand. |
| 12:41.31 | PingFloyd | CrocoJet: however, sometimes there is the situation where a program that you may need, is not in there |
| 12:41.43 | nvz | CrocoJet: etch is not experiental. etch is testing |
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| 12:41.56 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 12:41.56 | AnAnt | does wodim support double layer DVD ? |
| 12:41.57 | PingFloyd | CrocoJet: it's just best to stick to the outline of the distro as much as you can. You will tend to have less issues |
| 12:42.03 | valdyn | AnAnt: no |
| 12:42.13 | valdyn | AnAnt: wodim supports no dvd at all |
| 12:42.16 | AnAnt | oh |
| 12:42.22 | nvz | experimental is something far more bleeding edge than etch or even sid |
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| 12:42.32 | AnAnt | valdyn: what about cdrkit ? |
| 12:42.37 | CrocoJet | do you have url of repostory debian 3.1r4 ? |
| 12:42.43 | valdyn | AnAnt: same thing |
| 12:42.48 | CrocoJet | i would like check .. programs availables |
| 12:43.15 | valdyn | AnAnt: growisofs is for dvd burning |
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| 12:43.41 | AnAnt | valdyn: yeah but growisofs uses mkisofs from cdrkit, right ? |
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| 12:43.45 | valdyn | AnAnt: dl dvd does not require special support, that's just a dvd for your burning program |
| 12:43.57 | valdyn | AnAnt: mkisofs is something ENTIRELY different than a burning program |
| 12:44.09 | CrocoJet | found .. http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 12:44.21 | zjwei2008 | why i can install the debian-sarge on my ibmt43 laptop |
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| 12:44.42 | PingFloyd | zjwei2008: isn't that the idea? |
| 12:44.44 | AnAnt | valdyn: I know, but mkisofs in latest versions of cdrecord can make ISO's for DL ddvd |
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| 12:45.00 | AnAnt | valdyn: but then Debian lately doesn't make packages for cdrecord I hear |
| 12:45.09 | AnAnt | valdyn: something about license I think |
| 12:45.14 | yassine | anyone of you guys using asterisk .deb package ? |
| 12:45.24 | valdyn | AnAnt: what's your point? creating iso images isnt burning, mkisofs has nothing to do with burning itself |
| 12:45.26 | zjwei2008 | no no ,it say can't found netword |
| 12:45.41 | dpro | larsl: well I don't use it either but my girlfriend would find it easiser if she could use some of here beloved plugins ... but still I think those errors look like a seriously broken thread libs |
| 12:46.07 | AnAnt | valdyn: my point was about creating iso images, not burning |
| 12:46.13 | larsl | dpkg: Wah, don't change channels in the middle of a discussion. =) |
| 12:46.21 | valdyn | AnAnt: mkisofs is your tool then |
| 12:46.21 | larsl | dpkg <- dpro |
| 12:46.22 | AnAnt | valdyn: does the mkisofs in cdrkit support DL DVDs ? |
| 12:46.39 | larsl | dpro: I have never used any of the VST wrappers so I can't help you,, sorry. |
| 12:46.42 | zjwei2008 | pingfloyd are u here? |
| 12:46.56 | PingFloyd | zjwei2008: yeah |
| 12:47.21 | valdyn | AnAnt: there's nothing in creating iso images that has any relevance in what you burn or write that image too |
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| 12:47.33 | valdyn | AnAnt: so, mkisofs even supports quad layer dvds ) |
| 12:47.34 | zjwei2008 | it can't found the network-card |
| 12:47.40 | zjwei2008 | how can i do it |
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| 12:48.09 | AnAnt | valdyn: no, older mkisofs didn't support DL DVDs, because to make ISO for DL DVD, the iso image must have some special area |
| 12:48.21 | xingu | dpro: just out of interest why are you arsing about with libpthreads anyway? glibc is nptl enabled innit? |
| 12:48.52 | larsl | If I have version 0.101.1 of libjack0.100.0-dev installed, experimental in my APT sources, and libjack0.100.0-dev version 0.102.20 is in experimental, but 'apt-get install libjack0.100.0-dev' keeps saying that I already have the newest version, what could be wrong? |
| 12:48.53 | valdyn | AnAnt: umm no |
| 12:49.18 | AnAnt | valdyn: hang on |
| 12:49.25 | PingFloyd | zjwei2008: to lspci to figure out what network card you got, then figure out what module you need for it, and load it with modprobe |
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| 12:49.40 | PingFloyd | s/to/use |
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| 12:51.07 | zjwei2008 | thanks |
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| 12:51.17 | PingFloyd | zjwei2008: no problem |
| 12:52.17 | larsl | If installing a package would cause conflicts with already installed packages, does apt-get say that you already have the newest version instead of saying that there would be a conflict? |
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| 12:52.45 | AnAnt | valdyn: hmmm, ok, I think I was mistaken indeed |
| 12:52.46 | AnAnt | thanks |
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| 12:55.19 | threat2 | hi |
| 12:56.21 | valdyn | larsl: no |
| 12:56.23 | zee974 | hi |
| 12:56.30 | zee974 | guys something fucked up with my SSH in debian |
| 12:56.43 | zee974 | it's not accept the keys anymore |
| 12:56.49 | zee974 | rights ok, files ok |
| 12:56.49 | larsl | valdyn: So if I know that there is a later version in the repositories, what could the problem be? |
| 12:56.53 | valdyn | zee974: your IP changed? |
| 12:57.09 | zee974 | ip doesn't changed |
| 12:57.22 | zee974 | and I tried from different hosts |
| 12:57.31 | zee974 | it was only key based not host based auth |
| 12:57.32 | valdyn | zee974: host names changed |
| 12:57.42 | zee974 | host name of the client? |
| 12:57.53 | valdyn | zee974: key's are assigned to specific hosts |
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| 12:58.33 | valdyn | zee974: look at ~/.ssh/authorized_keys.. keys are assigned to name@host |
| 12:58.40 | zee974 | is it possible that the keys expired? |
| 12:59.01 | blondie | zee974: look in the log |
| 12:59.02 | blondie | auth.log |
| 12:59.36 | zee974 | nothing |
| 12:59.45 | blondie | .. |
| 12:59.48 | valdyn | !debug ssh |
| 12:59.51 | blondie | what do you mean nothing? |
| 13:00.01 | valdyn | !debug sshd |
| 13:00.01 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
| 13:00.02 | blondie | something will appear there when someone tries to ssh in |
| 13:00.22 | PingFloyd | larsl: the question is, what is the problem that you are having? |
| 13:00.23 | SmallR2002 | for some strange reason i can't get my bluetooth dongle to be discovered by any other device |
| 13:00.26 | SmallR2002 | any ideas anyone? |
| 13:00.44 | SmallR2002 | i can use it to send stuff and regularly use bluetooth alsa over it for my headset |
| 13:00.53 | valdyn | larsl: the 'problem' is that you are thinking there was a newer version available in your repositories while in reality there is not |
| 13:00.58 | SmallR2002 | it can discover other devices, but nothing can *see* it |
| 13:01.07 | zee974 | Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory |
| 13:01.10 | zee974 | but why? |
| 13:01.18 | blondie | that's the answer |
| 13:01.39 | blondie | what are the permissions on .ssh in the user's home directory on the server? |
| 13:01.48 | zee974 | .ssh 700 |
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| 13:01.57 | zee974 | and the files all 400 |
| 13:02.00 | blondie | and on the home directory? |
| 13:02.19 | zee974 | drwxrwxr-x |
| 13:02.46 | blondie | that's the problem |
| 13:02.46 | blondie | only the user may have write permission |
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| 13:02.46 | zee974 | and /home/ drwxrwsr-x |
| 13:02.49 | blondie | that's wrong too |
| 13:02.52 | larsl | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libs/libjack0.100.0-0 |
| 13:03.04 | valdyn | larsl: EXPERIMENTAL |
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| 13:03.15 | valdyn | larsl: you hopefully are not using that |
| 13:03.18 | larsl | Yes, I've added experimental to my sources.list. |
| 13:03.23 | blondie | zee974: permissions on /home and /home/user are wrong and that's why it doesnt work |
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| 13:03.24 | valdyn | wth |
| 13:03.25 | larsl | To get that specific package and its dependencies. |
| 13:03.34 | valdyn | larsl: why do you need that? |
| 13:03.54 | larsl | valdyn: Because I'm writing software that needs to use the latest JACK with MIDI ports. |
| 13:03.56 | PingFloyd | larsl: and let me guess, you didn't set up pinning |
| 13:03.57 | yang_ | who can help me setup a dsl connection properly, i cannot get rid of duplicate routes... |
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| 13:04.12 | valdyn | larsl: apt-get -t experimental install libjack0.100.0-0 |
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| 13:04.51 | blondie | zee974: /home should be 755 and only the user should have write permission to ~ |
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| 13:04.56 | larsl | valdyn: Ha, that does work. Thanks. |
| 13:05.12 | larsl | So it's not enough to just add the experimental repositories to sources.list and run apt-get update? |
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| 13:05.20 | zee974 | ok got it |
| 13:05.22 | zee974 | thanks |
| 13:05.26 | valdyn | larsl: releases have priorities, experimental's priority is to low by default, '-t' upgrades it for this run |
| 13:05.29 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 13:05.30 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 13:05.45 | larsl | valdyn: Ah, thanks a lot. I've only used Debian for a week. =) |
| 13:06.00 | valdyn | larsl: probably not a good idea to up experimental permanently, but what dpkg said explains that |
| 13:06.20 | larsl | No, I was planning to remove it again as soon as I got those packages. |
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| 13:08.16 | wangxq | test.. |
| 13:09.32 | blondie | fail |
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| 13:14.58 | yang_ | who can help me setup a dsl connection properly, i cannot get rid of duplicate routes... |
| 13:15.16 | valdyn | !pppoeconf |
| 13:15.16 | dpkg | from memory, pppoeconf is a user-friendly utility to configure a PPPoE connection (normally over DSL). Can be installed with "apt-get install pppoeconf" if not already preinstalled (it is on most systems). Use "ifup" instead of "pon" after using it once. |
| 13:16.39 | yang_ | valdyn: i made my configuration using pppoeconf, but it refuses to bring up my eth1 interface properly |
| 13:18.34 | yang_ | valdyn: i must do ifup dsl-provider and ifup eth1 to be able to connect to internet, then i get duplicate route... |
| 13:19.26 | tiolxpe | hi i am having trouble getting intel 2100 drivers working. I have followed dpkg instructions i have apt-get ipw2100 source files ran module assistant for it but when ever i try iwconfig it says no devices with wireless extensions. |
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| 13:21.03 | liable | sheesh, that hurt my head, rsync wouldnt work because the files were 750 and rsync couldnt read them.. |
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| 13:21.31 | hark | tiolxpe: did you get the firmware as well? |
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| 13:30.25 | tiolxpe | hark, isnt that a dependancy during the install |
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| 13:32.07 | hark | tiolxpe: no, what does modprobe ipw2100 do? |
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| 13:32.17 | pygi | hello |
| 13:32.29 | pygi | debian etch, I can't find authz_svn module |
| 13:32.34 | pygi | installed libapache2-svn |
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| 13:34.04 | esters | after an update of libgnomevfs2-common (2.14 -> 2.16.3) i just got a huge list of dependent packages removed :) |
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| 13:34.28 | tiolxpe | hark it appears to work however if i do an iwconfig it still says no wireless extensions |
| 13:34.30 | tiolxpe | debian:/var/cache/modass# lsmod | grep ipw |
| 13:34.30 | tiolxpe | ipw2100 65104 0 |
| 13:34.30 | tiolxpe | ieee80211 29416 1 ipw2100 |
| 13:34.30 | tiolxpe | firmware_class 9600 2 ipw2100,pcmcia |
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| 13:34.43 | jatt | hahaha |
| 13:34.44 | hark | esters: yes, it's a bug. file it :) |
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| 13:34.53 | pygi | anyone can help pls? ^_^ |
| 13:34.54 | tiolxpe | apologies didnt mean to paste that much |
| 13:35.13 | norc | pygi: you might wanna try #apache |
| 13:35.18 | esters | hark: not really , it is called unmet dependencies, i guess , i have to wait a while :) |
| 13:35.32 | pygi | norc, hm, I think it's more connected to debian since module doesn't exist :) |
| 13:35.34 | pygi | and it should :) |
| 13:35.54 | norc | pygi: http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 13:36.02 | norc | Maybe that helps yuo |
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| 13:36.35 | hark | esters: modprobe -r ipw2100 and then modprobe it again. |
| 13:36.40 | pygi | norc, well, I know where the module is on system, is just not in mods-available :) |
| 13:36.49 | esters | hark: wroong :) |
| 13:37.07 | esters | <tiolxpe> hark it appears to work however if i do an iwconfig it still says no wireless extensions |
| 13:37.10 | belkin | anyone using qmail ? |
| 13:37.15 | esters | i'm not tiolxpe |
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| 13:37.21 | hark | esters: check /lib/firmware/ or dmesg |
| 13:37.31 | esters | dude :> |
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| 13:38.37 | hark | afaik the firmware is not part of the source package |
| 13:39.16 | hark | !info ipw2100-source etch |
| 13:39.22 | dpkg | ipw2100-source: (Source for the Intel PRO/Wireless 2100 (ipw2100) driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 101 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 13:39.27 | tiolxpe | hark, done but still says no wireless extensions. One thing tho when i do a module-assistant for ieee80211 it fails |
| 13:39.35 | esters | !info gnome-terminal sid |
| 13:39.38 | dpkg | gnome-terminal: (The GNOME 2 terminal emulator application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 173 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 13:39.39 | aidehua | Is there a simpler way of making rsync map one user's uid to another user's uid? |
| 13:39.49 | aidehua | (Simpler than this chroot example I made: http://www.tropic.org.uk/~edward/chroot-rsync-example ) |
| 13:39.59 | holycow | *hmmm* when i run this line: update-rc.d /etc/init.d/pg82 defaults i get this error: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d//etc/init.d/pg82: file does not exist |
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| 13:40.03 | holycow | the resultant path is obviously wrong, but from where would it be retrieving that? |
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| 13:41.25 | liable | holycow: just give the script name, not the whole path |
| 13:41.34 | hark | tiolxpe: but isn't ipw2100 in the kernel now, unless you're running etch? |
| 13:41.38 | holycow | liable, oh! |
| 13:41.44 | hark | esters: just noticed :) |
| 13:41.45 | tiolxpe | i am running etch |
| 13:42.53 | holycow | indeed, thank you! |
| 13:43.10 | liable | yw |
| 13:43.25 | hark | tiolxpe: ipw2100.sf.net. Get the firmware, place it i /lib/firmware and modprobe ieee80211 and then ipw2100 |
| 13:43.47 | norc | pygi: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-subversion-maintainers/2005-December/000315.html |
| 13:44.01 | pygi | norc, I'll look, thanks |
| 13:44.35 | pygi | norc, thank you very much :) |
| 13:44.42 | hark | tiolxpe: the source package is in contrib, the firmware is definitely not included. |
| 13:45.00 | norc | pygi: next time try google, it was not hard ;) |
| 13:45.22 | pygi | norc, will do ^_^ sorry :) |
| 13:46.50 | biloti | Hi folks. Whenever I enter non-latin characters (those ones from iso-8859-1) on a web form they appear to be translated to UTF-8. My debian sarge is set to work with ISO-8859-1. Any clue? |
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| 13:51.57 | tiolxpe | hark, done that still saying no wireless extensions on an iwconfig |
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| 13:52.42 | hark | tiolxpe: what does dmesg say? |
| 13:52.50 | tiolxpe | ive put ipw2100-1.3.fw ipw2100-1.3-i.fw ipw2100-1.3-p.fw in /lib/firmware |
| 13:52.52 | tiolxpe | 1 sec |
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| 13:55.30 | tiolxpe | what sites do you guys to paste |
| 13:55.33 | tiolxpe | use* |
| 13:55.41 | esters | pastebin.se |
| 13:55.42 | hark | !paste |
| 13:55.42 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 13:56.14 | hark | just check the end of the output |
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| 13:56.49 | tiolxpe | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5148 <-- last 50 lines |
| 13:56.50 | zee974 | if my ISP does nat then is it possible that the PPTP connection through it sometimes doesn't work? |
| 13:56.58 | tiolxpe | nothing seems to strike out to me |
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| 13:57.27 | zee974 | it quits with 619 but it worked for a while :( |
| 13:58.25 | tiolxpe | hark, as i said earlier though when i do a module-assistant on ieee80211 it doesnt like it |
| 14:00.45 | knoxy | my server have a 4GB of ram.. but says "854MB" of ram... why?? |
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| 14:01.09 | dvs | knoxy: your kernel has the wrong memory model |
| 14:01.15 | hark | tiolxpe: how does it fail? |
| 14:01.23 | knoxy | dvs thanks |
| 14:01.27 | knoxy | :) |
| 14:01.29 | dvs | no prob |
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| 14:07.08 | shafire | how can i install a .deb package |
| 14:07.13 | shafire | with aptitude? |
| 14:07.16 | Hoxzer | dpkg -i |
| 14:07.31 | esters | with root :> |
| 14:07.32 | shafire | but this will not be marked with aptitude? |
| 14:07.46 | Hoxzer | shafire: it will. |
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| 14:07.57 | shafire | m autoflag? |
| 14:07.58 | abrotman | !tell shafire about refcard |
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| 14:08.06 | cyzie | Hello, other than gnutella and bittorent, any other p2p software ? |
| 14:08.14 | abrotman | cyzie: yes |
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| 14:08.59 | ji1 | hey any known to work behind squid proxy :) |
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| 14:09.09 | ji1 | (p2p software) |
| 14:10.54 | cyzie | abrotman, can u name them out ? |
| 14:11.31 | abrotman | not likely .. |
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| 14:14.12 | oldsparky | cyzie: mldonkey? |
| 14:14.45 | hark | tiolxpe: purge the modules you've built and use the ones in the kernel. That should work. |
| 14:14.59 | cyzie | thanks oldsparky is there anymore ? |
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| 14:17.40 | tiolxpe | hark, how would i go about purgin them |
| 14:19.55 | hark | either using aptitude or m-a purge |
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| 14:20.33 | tiolxpe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.23 | hark | it's present in the kernel already |
| 14:21.36 | stew | tiolxpe: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:21.48 | tiolxpe | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 14:21.52 | tiolxpe | etch |
| 14:22.01 | hark | and again, how did it fail? |
| 14:22.03 | stew | tiolxpe: ieee80211 is included in the kernel as of 2.6.15 |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 14:22.50 | tiolxpe | just said it couldnt find it in. probably because its included in etch already? |
| 14:22.51 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 14:22.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | guess that's invalid now ... |
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| 14:23.18 | tiolxpe | yup thats what threw me :p |
| 14:24.11 | stew | that's not invalid |
| 14:24.14 | hark | though it should still work.. |
| 14:24.20 | asg | !wb stew |
| 14:24.20 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! stew has returned! |
| 14:24.32 | esters | :DDDDDD |
| 14:24.33 | abrotman | does sarge have those source modules ? |
| 14:24.45 | stew | asg: hiya |
| 14:24.54 | hark | !info ipw2100-source sarge |
| 14:24.55 | dpkg | ipw2100-source: (source for the ipw2100 driver), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 14:25.01 | asg | stew: good to have you back. Hope all has been well. |
| 14:25.08 | stew | asg: yeah, just busy |
| 14:25.41 | yang_ | who can help me setup a dsl connection properly, i cannot get rid of duplicate routes... |
| 14:25.44 | yang_ | valdyn: i made my configuration using pppoeconf, but it refuses to bring up my eth1 interface properly |
| 14:25.59 | stew | hark: there is no ieee80211-source in etch, so it wouldn't still work |
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| 14:26.38 | jatt | yang_: what does plog say after you try to start the connection with pon? |
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| 14:27.14 | hark | stew: ah, it's in sid though |
| 14:27.15 | AnyFile | How can I have a xterminal that has utf-8 support enabled? |
| 14:27.22 | yang_ | jatt: i bring it up with ifup dsl-provider |
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| 14:27.47 | yang_ | jatt: and eth1 just doesnt want to get up when doing pon dsl-provider |
| 14:28.09 | asg | AnyFile: /msg dpkg UTF-8 |
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| 14:30.45 | jatt | yang_: well the configuration is really straightforward. Maybe can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces and the output of plog (or the relevant lines in /var/log/messages?) |
| 14:31.13 | jatt | yang_: my dsl connection through pppoe works, the only difference with yours is that I use eth0 instead of eth1. |
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| 14:32.03 | yang_ | jatt:could you join #flood i can paste you there...i am in coonsole |
| 14:32.23 | jatt | yang_: done |
| 14:35.51 | jatt | yang_: I got the stuff you pasted. Does /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider use eth0 or eth1? |
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| 14:36.45 | yang_ | jatt: it uses the line pty "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth1 -T 80 -m 1452" |
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| 14:39.01 | jatt | yang_: hmm... which version of debian are you using (stable/unstable)? I do have the following line in my configuration (in /etc/network/interfaces): |
| 14:39.01 | jatt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:39.14 | abrotman | !tell Nenillo about root |
| 14:39.40 | jatt | yang_: that line was added after a pppoeconf update so I am not sure in your case is also relevant (using eth1 instead of eth0 of course). |
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| 14:40.21 | yang_ | jatt: i have etch |
| 14:40.24 | yang_ | jatt: when i start connection with pon dsl-provider the eth1 deosn't come up by itself...so the route is strange then |
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| 14:41.42 | yang_ | jatt: i will run pppoeconf once again and see what happens, if you got any suggestions just tell me |
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| 14:43.18 | jatt | yang_: the only suggestion I've at this point is to try the pre-up line (which just runs the ifconfig command before the interface comes up). I had a similar problem some months ago where my connection wasn't working right and that line fixed it. |
| 14:43.39 | janttsu | Input/output error |
| 14:43.39 | shafire | how can i put a mirror into my sources.list? |
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| 14:43.42 | janttsu | sorry.. |
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| 14:43.55 | stew | shafire: using which version of debian? |
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| 14:44.05 | tiolxpe | hark, would you believe that i rebooted and its working fine :p |
| 14:44.07 | shafire | debian testing / 4.0 / etch |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 14:44.13 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 14:44.14 | stew | shafire: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:44.14 | janttsu | i'm getting errors when trying to burn with growisofs... input / output error.. any ideas? |
| 14:44.18 | tiolxpe | hark, well its detected it anyways |
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| 14:45.14 | hark | without removing the built ipw2100 module? |
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| 14:46.14 | tiolxpe | i just literally rebooted and all works fine |
| 14:47.10 | shafire | is there a tool which can put a mirror into my sources.list? |
| 14:47.16 | stew | shafire: no |
| 14:47.22 | hark | shafire: echo |
| 14:47.37 | shafire | okay |
| 14:47.43 | shafire | because i have only a console |
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| 14:47.52 | stew | shafire: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:47.55 | shafire | yeah |
| 14:48.06 | shafire | i must write down the mirrors on a piece of paper |
| 14:48.11 | hark | shafire: or use apt-spy, netselect etc. |
| 14:48.12 | abrotman | shafire: what are wrong with yours ? |
| 14:48.24 | shafire | there is no mirror, only a cd |
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| 14:49.31 | abrotman | shafire: what country are you in ? |
| 14:49.48 | hark | tiolxpe: great :) but did you modprobe -r iee80211 before? |
| 14:50.08 | hark | and ipw2100? |
| 14:50.17 | mike1o | i tried asking this in #ubuntu but no answer - im having difficulties building dependencies & i dont understand why http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2405/ |
| 14:50.29 | tiolxpe | i had done it as you said and then redone modprobe iee80211 and it didnt work |
| 14:50.33 | abrotman | mike1o: is it for an ubuntu system? |
| 14:50.33 | tiolxpe | etc |
| 14:50.40 | tiolxpe | just one of them things :p |
| 14:50.46 | tiolxpe | but hey ty very much for your help |
| 14:50.56 | mike1o | abrotman: yeah but since its a apt problem i thought it could be relevant :-) |
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| 14:51.09 | shafire | abrotman, in germany |
| 14:51.14 | abrotman | mike1o: this channel isn't for Ubuntu support .. and certainly not for supporting unofficial ubuntu repos |
| 14:51.29 | mike1o | abrotman: no prob |
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| 14:51.36 | abrotman | shafire: for etch ? |
| 14:51.46 | shafire | yes |
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| 14:51.53 | shafire | i have found a mirror |
| 14:52.03 | abrotman | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 14:52.19 | abrotman | or ftp2.de.debian.org |
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| 14:52.37 | shafire | i took esslingen |
| 14:52.42 | shafire | 10min. from here |
| 14:52.43 | shafire | :P |
| 14:52.47 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:53.00 | Hotwire | shafire: you may want to try apt-spy |
| 14:53.16 | Hotwire | but if the server is 10 minutes away ... |
| 14:53.40 | shafire | how can i change my system too utf8 |
| 14:53.56 | shafire | öäü will only displayed, if i have set iso |
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| 14:54.16 | yang__ | jatt: stil around? |
| 14:54.46 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:55.16 | jatt | yang__: yup |
| 14:55.28 | yang__ | check that error message in flood |
| 14:56.55 | wedderburn | hello all, what is the name of the source package that provides the initial boot screen ( http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/linux/2005/09/29/graphics/fig01-splash.png ) in debian, thanks for your time. |
| 14:57.03 | yang__ | jatt: do you use ifup dsl-provider or pon dsl-provider? |
| 14:57.35 | abrotman | wedderburn: maybe in the grub images package .. but that's the installer stuff that you're looking at |
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| 14:59.13 | jatt | yang__: I use pon dsl-provider... I am not sure what the arp error you are getting means. I've never had such an error. |
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| 15:00.48 | wedderburn | abrotman: thanks i found it just then, "gfxboot" thanks once again :) |
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| 15:01.01 | jatt | yang__: but maybe the ARP problem is consequence of: |
| 15:01.02 | jatt | <yang__> Jan 21 15:47:46 debian pppd[4778]: not replacing existing default route via 192.168.1.254 |
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| 15:01.53 | jatt | yang__: if I understand correctly the connection works (you get an IP address assigned from server) but the routing doesn't. Have you tried to configure the routing manually? I mean typing the route ... commands on the consol |
| 15:02.14 | jatt | e |
| 15:02.46 | yang__ | yes, the route doesnt get assigned to eth1 interface |
| 15:03.00 | mikearthur | what development libraries do I need for opengl compilation? |
| 15:03.08 | yang__ | and the defazult gateway doesnt forward the packets |
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| 15:03.56 | wqx | does debian have a special way of dealing with kernel upgrades or can I just compile a kernel the usual way? |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | you can use a debian kernel ... |
| 15:04.14 | mikearthur | wqx: you can, but using kernel-package is nicer |
| 15:04.20 | abrotman | !tell wqx about kp |
| 15:04.59 | wqx | mikearthur: why is it nicer? |
| 15:05.16 | mikearthur | because it, with no effort on your part, makes your kernel into debs |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | wqx: it makes a debian package out of the source/etc .. making installation and removal a snap! ... |
| 15:05.29 | mikearthur | meaning they can fulfil dependencies, be handled by update-grub etc |
| 15:05.42 | abrotman | wqx: however .. you still have the same problems .. if you misconfigure your kernel .. it still won't boo |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | boot |
| 15:06.04 | cahoot | but it will boo |
| 15:06.15 | abrotman | with a sheet over its head |
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| 15:07.41 | jatt | yang__: another suggestion: can you try to run the route command you got on your logs using the -v flag? E.g. route -v ... |
| 15:08.10 | LeonWP | hello |
| 15:08.19 | LeonWP | could anyone tell me what to do about this? http://pastey.net/5332 |
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| 15:08.57 | jatt | oh I just realized that is just a log message and not a route command forget what I said. |
| 15:09.18 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:09.37 | karmatronic | LeonWP: for instance run sh -X /root/.bashrc |
| 15:10.10 | LeonWP | hhee |
| 15:10.10 | LeonWP | -:[/home/leon]#> sh -X /root/.bashrc |
| 15:10.11 | LeonWP | sh: -X: invalid option |
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| 15:10.21 | stew | -x, not -X |
| 15:10.28 | LeonWP | yep |
| 15:10.39 | garotosopa | is it possible to specify the umask for each directory? I have a "shared" directory and want that anything created there to be world writable. is it possible? |
| 15:10.41 | LeonWP | wanna see the output? |
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| 15:11.07 | karmatronic | LeonWP: some googling says |
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| 15:11.08 | stew | garotosopa: you don't want to create world writable stuff. make a group containing the users that should be able to write and make the directory g+s |
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| 15:11.39 | karmatronic | LeonWP: comment lines about FAIL_DELAY in /etc/login.defs |
| 15:12.53 | karmatronic | LeonWP: solved,no? |
| 15:13.26 | LeonWP | yep |
| 15:13.38 | LeonWP | at least that one. doing it for the others.. |
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| 15:16.24 | LeonWP | -:[~]$> su |
| 15:16.24 | LeonWP | Password: |
| 15:16.24 | LeonWP | -:[root@vserver152.masterssystems.com]:[pts/1]:[0]:[501]:[So Jan 21]:[15:16:15]:- |
| 15:16.27 | LeonWP | great! |
| 15:16.30 | LeonWP | -:[/home/leon]#> |
| 15:16.30 | LeonWP | thank you |
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| 15:17.21 | garotosopa | stew, thanks! that's what I need |
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| 15:17.39 | D0ug | What is the pastebin that is used soley in this chan? |
| 15:17.50 | asg | D0ug: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:17.54 | garotosopa | stew, I've just installe debian testing now and each user has its own group. fine. but aren't they supposed to be on users:100 also? |
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| 15:18.44 | karmatronic | garotosopa: no ...? |
| 15:18.51 | marco_ | is it possible to make grub boot a non-linux iso? |
| 15:19.00 | D0ug | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5149 |
| 15:19.09 | D0ug | Can somone help me with this little prob |
| 15:19.42 | garotosopa | karmatronic, you mean they really should not share the same group? even if their primary group is their own |
| 15:20.56 | AnyFile | How can I make security update from aptitude? |
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| 15:21.43 | abrotman | no .. that doesn't look like a spambot nick .. |
| 15:22.15 | D0ug | Can somone please help me? I have no idea what to do, and the project is due tommorow. |
| 15:22.26 | D0ug | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5149 |
| 15:22.45 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:22.46 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | or use abiword/gnumeric |
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| 15:24.37 | D0ug | gnumeric is just a spreadsheet? |
| 15:26.02 | abrotman | what do you need OO for ? |
| 15:26.11 | D0ug | I am much more familiar with OO |
| 15:26.23 | D0ug | I've used it extensively on Windows |
| 15:26.47 | abrotman | aren't you just looking for a simple editor ? |
| 15:27.15 | D0ug | Does abiword have an accurate spellcheck? |
| 15:27.16 | abrotman | it's some sort of busybox error .. which i'm not familiar with .. perhaps peek in the BTS |
| 15:27.28 | garotosopa | are there any user/group naming convention? can I give any name to them? |
| 15:27.41 | abrotman | D0ug: i'm sure it has spellcheck |
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| 15:33.07 | unseensoul | hi |
| 15:34.10 | knoxy | dvs where I can to make kernel detect my memory (RAM) ? I'm compiling 2.6.19.2 but it dont detect my ram again.. |
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| 15:34.26 | amphi | knoxy: how much ram> |
| 15:34.27 | amphi | ? |
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| 15:35.17 | knoxy | amphi I've a server with 4gb of ram.. samsung (4 cards of 1 gb) but the debian sarge dont detect this memory |
| 15:35.54 | knoxy | so, I get the kernel 2.6.19.2 and compile.. but the RAM isn't detected |
| 15:36.02 | amphi | knoxy: 4GB needs CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G set I believe |
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| 15:36.30 | amphi | or maybe CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is enough |
| 15:37.32 | stew | knoxy: what cpu do you have? |
| 15:37.43 | knoxy | amphi CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y ? |
| 15:37.57 | stew | knoxy: any of the debian stock 2.6 kernels would detect the ram except the -386 one |
| 15:38.01 | stew | knoxy: no 4G |
| 15:38.15 | knoxy | stew model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
| 15:38.36 | knoxy | cpu MHz : 3000.314 |
| 15:38.36 | knoxy | cache size : 2048 KB |
| 15:39.21 | x-- | how can i trace a system crash?? |
| 15:39.30 | x-- | it's a remote pc |
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| 15:39.58 | x-- | died suddenly |
| 15:40.11 | stew | knoxy: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
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| 15:42.45 | christopherl | I want to add the trashcan to the menu in Gnome 2, someone know which command trashcan have? |
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| 15:47.05 | Chrom_ | hello |
| 15:47.22 | christopherl | open trascan from command line? |
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| 15:47.44 | Chrom_ | it depends on your window manager |
| 15:48.02 | christopherl | Gnome 2.16.1 |
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| 15:48.19 | x-- | your trash is in ~/.Trash i think |
| 15:48.31 | cahoot | christopherl: is this debian? |
| 15:48.35 | Trewas | christopherl: "nautilus trash://" seems to work, but try it from a terminal first |
| 15:48.35 | x-- | if you want to empty it: rm -rf |
| 15:48.39 | christopherl | yes |
| 15:49.10 | x-- | anyone got a clue how i can trace why a system crashed? |
| 15:49.15 | christopherl | thanks it worked |
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| 15:49.51 | stew | x--: /var/log/syslog is probably your best bet |
| 15:50.08 | x-- | couldn't find anything suspicious =/ |
| 15:50.19 | stew | x--: is the problem recurrent? |
| 15:50.19 | Chrom_ | are you sure your system crashed and not just an app or just X? |
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| 15:50.32 | x-- | it's a server |
| 15:50.48 | Chrom_ | it hung? |
| 15:50.48 | x-- | stew: no idea, the box was set up a week ago |
| 15:50.58 | x-- | probably |
| 15:51.07 | stew | x--: have them run memtest on it |
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| 15:51.39 | Chrom_ | are you saying it crashed because you couldn't access it in some way, or you saw it reboot or hung? |
| 15:52.54 | x-- | it's a remote machine, it was unreachable |
| 15:53.05 | Chrom_ | what services were it running? |
| 15:53.15 | x-- | does that matter? =/ |
| 15:53.36 | Chrom_ | yes because we have to understand if you have just ssh hung or whole machine |
| 15:53.43 | x-- | whole machine |
| 15:53.49 | stew | the syslog would make it clear if the whole machine crashed or not |
| 15:53.58 | Chrom_ | it depends |
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| 15:54.20 | Chrom_ | because the crash could have been started by a service not logging anything |
| 15:54.37 | Chrom_ | but syslog is the best place to start for sure |
| 15:54.51 | stew | Chrom_: you mean that its possible that all of the networking services and syslog crashed but not the whole machine? |
| 15:55.21 | Chrom_ | stew: the kernel is very unlikely to crash |
| 15:55.29 | Chrom_ | if it's a stable one of course |
| 15:55.59 | Chrom_ | if you just can't access the machine it's not said it crashed |
| 15:56.05 | stew | Chrom_: what is likely to crash? |
| 15:56.11 | stew | Chrom_: the hardware is likely to crash the kernel |
| 15:56.25 | Chrom_ | someone could have run into a cable. you shouldn't underestimate anything |
| 15:56.43 | Chrom_ | maybe some broken driver |
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| 15:57.21 | Chrom_ | but if the kernel is a stable version, no broken drivers are included |
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| 15:57.29 | abrotman | none ? |
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| 15:57.37 | Chrom_ | so tht's why I was asking for details before making any assumption |
| 15:57.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm trying to check a program out from git, yet when I run git, I see a midnight-commander type file manager |
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| 15:58.01 | janttsu | i have libdvdcss installed, but i can only play the beginning of a dvd.. at the last part it says "are you trying to play an encrypted dvd without libdvdcss?" |
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| 15:58.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out please? |
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| 16:03.44 | wqx | hmm, I got 2gb memory on my computer, but in linux it tells me I only have 1139mb memory |
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| 16:04.40 | Chrom_ | hat command tells you that? |
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| 16:04.46 | Chrom_ | *what command |
| 16:05.40 | wqx | top for example |
| 16:06.11 | wqx | might be that the debian default etch kernel doesnt have high memory support compiled |
| 16:06.13 | Chrom_ | see what the command "free" tells you |
| 16:06.15 | abrotman | wqx: uname -a |
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| 16:06.51 | wqx | Linux source 2.6.17-2-486 |
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| 16:07.16 | abrotman | wqx: and what's your CPU ? |
| 16:07.45 | wqx | Chrom: total 116196 |
| 16:08.03 | wqx | *1166196 |
| 16:08.06 | abrotman | and your CPU is ? |
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| 16:08.20 | wqx | Amd Athlon 64 4000+ |
| 16:08.23 | Chrom_ | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:08.46 | abrotman | wqx: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 16:08.46 | jelly-home | wqx: try using the current 2.6 kernel, and the one for -686 |
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| 16:09.13 | jelly-home | wqx: that is, install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:09.22 | christopherl | I have everything set up perfectly, I wonder if's possible to burn this current OS to a DVD or CD? |
| 16:09.24 | jelly-home | k7 is better, yeah |
| 16:09.50 | Chrom_ | christopherl, you can use partimage |
| 16:10.00 | christopherl | great |
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| 16:10.26 | abrotman | Chrom_: you do? |
| 16:10.27 | Chrom_ | it makes copies of your partitions that you can burn to a DVD and restore if needed |
| 16:10.41 | abrotman | there's quite a few ways .. apt-cache search system image |
| 16:10.48 | Chrom_ | abrotman, do I what? |
| 16:11.24 | abrotman | !info systemimager-client etch |
| 16:11.31 | christopherl | Chrom_: so if I in the future don't have anything on my harddrive, I only load the cd in and install? |
| 16:11.33 | dpkg | systemimager-client: (Utilities for creating an image and upgrading client machines), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.6.3dfsg1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
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| 16:12.22 | Chrom_ | christopherl, not quite like that, you need to boot from a live distro for example, run partimage again and restore the partitions on the physical drive |
| 16:12.44 | christopherl | aha ok |
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| 16:13.10 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 16:13.12 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 16:13.15 | Chrom_ | you could also try g4l which is similar to symantec ghost |
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| 16:15.03 | Chrom_ | christopherl, you can use the live sysresccd that contains partimage. You just use it to backup and to restore your partitions |
| 16:15.11 | Chrom_ | take a look at http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 16:15.23 | christopherl | thanks |
| 16:15.44 | Chrom_ | christopherl, np |
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| 16:21.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out with this? http://pastebin.ca/323636 |
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| 16:22.25 | temery | hi |
| 16:22.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 16:22.37 | temery | why can help me ? |
| 16:22.43 | temery | i seek libdvdcss2. |
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| 16:23.07 | Chrom_ | Dark_Apostrophe, are you trying to compile wine? |
| 16:23.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chrom_: Yes, from git |
| 16:23.58 | temery | :'( |
| 16:24.02 | cydork | !libdvdcss |
| 16:24.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat> |
| 16:24.13 | Chrom_ | first I would do a sudo apt-get install libwine libwine-dev wine-dev |
| 16:24.29 | Chrom_ | and try again from scratch |
| 16:24.34 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: you lack libSM.so |
| 16:24.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chrom_: I did apt-get build-dep wine |
| 16:24.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: Ok. |
| 16:24.57 | bobesponja | windows |
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| 16:25.32 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: use apt-file to search for that file or use packages.debian.org |
| 16:25.54 | Chrom_ | it is in xlibs |
| 16:26.13 | Chrom_ | sudo apt-get install xlibs-dev |
| 16:26.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks |
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| 16:27.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chrom_: This is Debian, cut the sudo. :P |
| 16:27.18 | Chrom_ | Dark_Apostrophe, I'm sure he's wise and not logging as root |
| 16:27.32 | Chrom_ | I men you are wise |
| 16:27.34 | Chrom_ | eman |
| 16:27.35 | Chrom_ | mean |
| 16:27.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
| 16:27.45 | Chrom_ | sorry I'm faster than the keyboard :) |
| 16:27.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know the feeling |
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| 16:27.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | You should change to the Colemak layout |
| 16:28.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Makes quick typing easier |
| 16:28.12 | Chrom_ | never tried |
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| 16:28.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Chrom_: There's a first time for everything |
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| 16:29.03 | nikosaei | hi |
| 16:29.15 | nikosaei | a irc room for mipsel |
| 16:29.20 | nikosaei | is there? |
| 16:31.13 | Ronin | nikosaei: tried #mipsel ? |
| 16:31.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: I did it and installed all packages apt-file pumped out, but it still gives me the error |
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| 16:31.51 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: about -lSM? |
| 16:32.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: I did apt-file search libSM |
| 16:32.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | and installed all packages it showed |
| 16:32.50 | nikosaei | a mipsel room??? |
| 16:33.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | They're called channels |
| 16:33.47 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: run ldconfig and then try again. if that file is present, that error should not be there. |
| 16:33.55 | abrotman | !mips |
| 16:33.55 | dpkg | well, mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. or a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. or Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #MIPSLinux. |
| 16:34.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: ok |
| 16:34.53 | nikosaei | thanks |
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| 16:36.34 | delire | what is the status of mozilla-browser? is it now a transitory package to iceape-browser? |
| 16:36.38 | Wulfen | hey, I got a newbie question. In my apache2 config files there's no DocumentRoot directive. Why is that?= |
| 16:36.55 | justin | Wulfen: likely you didn't look at all the files |
| 16:37.07 | delire | apparently iceape-calendar replaces mozilla-calendar, yet apt considers mozilla-browser a dependency of iceape-browser at install time. |
| 16:37.46 | Wulfen | justin: 'egrep -i DocumentRoot *' gives no results |
| 16:38.23 | Wulfen | and I read the whole apache2.conf (is supposed to be there) and nothing... |
| 16:38.33 | justin | Wulfen: duh, grep -ri DocumentRoot . |
| 16:39.02 | Wulfen | justin: ah ok thanks. |
| 16:39.29 | Quintin | Wulfen: default debian apache config is borked :P |
| 16:39.52 | Quintin | Wulfen: there are several files in /etc/apache2/ |
| 16:39.55 | abrotman | Quintin: i'ts there |
| 16:39.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: Still getting it |
| 16:40.12 | Wulfen | yeah it seems the parameter is in some sites-availables subdir... I am not versed in debian's particularities for apache |
| 16:40.19 | Wulfen | and thanks |
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| 16:41.38 | madd_matt | I just installed debian, and my fonts are -so- ugly. I'm using kde. I don't see anything drastically different from my last install, so what could be causing the ugly? |
| 16:42.59 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: hmm that's strange you have libsm-dev? |
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| 16:43.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: Yes |
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| 16:43.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | :/ |
| 16:43.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:44.18 | pipeline | madd_matt: Install more fonts. x-ttcidfont-conf, msttcorefonts |
| 16:44.29 | SNow | hey guys, any ideas, why when apache2 is running, it crashes the box, the processor starts to work very loud, and everything holds, can't login can't do anything, and in the monitor, when you are near the box it shows many hex information, something about kjournald and other stuff.. only reset helps then, so I can't show you exact logs.. it makes like 'die' ten start_kernel and later kernel panic advanced interruption, or something like that |
| 16:44.34 | SNow | when apache2 is off, everything is fine |
| 16:45.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | SNow: New computer or CPU fan? |
| 16:45.01 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: this is not amd64? right? |
| 16:45.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: |
| 16:45.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sysinfo for 'kobra': Linux 2.6.18-3-amd64 running KDE 3.5.5, CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ at 2010 MHz (4020 bogomips), HD: 5/231GB, RAM: 866/1004MB, 113 proc's, 3.8h up |
| 16:45.21 | PumpkinPie | bonnie doesn't give me a stright result I can read! |
| 16:45.32 | PumpkinPie | whats a simple I/O benchmark tool? |
| 16:45.33 | SNow | it was already working, today I moved it from one place to other |
| 16:45.36 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: please don't do that |
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| 16:45.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Sorry, was lazy. :) |
| 16:45.51 | SNow | it works very loud, and it is quite hot, also i inserted lan card |
| 16:46.02 | SNow | after reboot it starts to work more quietly |
| 16:46.03 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: yes/no was too hard ? |
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| 16:46.18 | AcuraX | I downloaded the kernel source for 2.6.18 where would it be located? |
| 16:46.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: "No, it is for AMD64) is slower than /sysinfo :P |
| 16:46.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | *" |
| 16:46.44 | abrotman | yes/no is easy ... |
| 16:47.00 | Quintin | AcuraX: /usr/src |
| 16:47.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Meh, it got the point through. :) |
| 16:47.08 | abrotman | sad dork |
| 16:47.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Me? |
| 16:47.29 | AcuraX | I looked in /usr/src and untar'd the bzip file and the source is there as /usr/src/linux |
| 16:47.36 | AcuraX | but i keep getting the "cannot fuind source" |
| 16:48.09 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: bwhaha you need wine64 for that.. not normal wine. |
| 16:48.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: I wanna run win32 apps on it |
| 16:48.54 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: use a chroot install .. |
| 16:49.00 | PingFloyd | SNow: sounds like it's overheating or something |
| 16:49.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: A chroot jail? Never done that before. |
| 16:49.24 | Quintin | SNow: what happens if you run burnbx or something? |
| 16:49.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | how is it done? |
| 16:49.36 | SNow | hmmz, 'burnbx' is it a package ? |
| 16:49.37 | Quintin | SNow: have you reseated all addin cards, ram, etc? |
| 16:49.45 | PingFloyd | SNow: and/or PSU starting to take a shit |
| 16:49.52 | Quintin | SNow: apt-get install burnintools .. I think. or just search for burnbx |
| 16:49.53 | madd_matt | Uh, /etc/init.d/mysql reload doesn't work because debian-sys-maint isn't a valid user.... I don't know what password it should have either? How can I fix this? |
| 16:49.55 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 16:50.02 | SNow | yeah I removed and put back again ram, lan card |
| 16:50.04 | Quintin | !info burnbx |
| 16:50.05 | cappiz_ | Quintin, correct syntax is !addinfo <release> <files> <size_in_mb>, fix your script |
| 16:50.19 | Quintin | !burnbx |
| 16:50.20 | SNow | it's strange.. |
| 16:50.33 | SNow | maybe the kernel? maybe I should reinstall it?? |
| 16:50.38 | SNow | it's something with kjournald, or whatever |
| 16:50.43 | SNow | and one more thing, NAT works fine.. |
| 16:50.48 | SNow | but the box is unreachable.. |
| 16:51.02 | SNow | the coolers on the processor works fine.. |
| 16:51.15 | Quintin | SNow: try running burnbx |
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| 16:51.52 | cactus | hi. |
| 16:52.08 | abrotman | tried #knoppix ? |
| 16:52.25 | cactus | did anyone install cacti as package on debian 4.0? |
| 16:52.34 | cactus | ... sucessfully? |
| 16:52.43 | SNow | cpuburn - a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU |
| 16:52.46 | PingFloyd | SNow: another thing, could be the HD overheating or on it's way out |
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| 16:53.13 | cactus | .. or some othe monitoring tool? |
| 16:53.18 | SNow | it's sata2 |
| 16:53.19 | cactus | other |
| 16:53.24 | SNow | it's a new box |
| 16:53.26 | PingFloyd | SNow: or the HD is having troubles from the other two possibilities |
| 16:53.43 | SNow | :) |
| 16:53.47 | SNow | I don't think it's HD |
| 16:53.47 | PingFloyd | SNow: new and sata2 don't mean anything |
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| 16:54.14 | hendry | where is acroread in etch? |
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| 16:55.42 | war | anyone here get 3d accel working on an intel 965 board (with oboard graphics) |
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| 16:56.02 | Quintin | SNow: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 16:56.12 | Quintin | SNow: and start burnbx ... does machine continue running? |
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| 17:02.15 | AcuraX | whatis the package name for the x includes |
| 17:02.47 | iturk | hi there! Is there any manual of how to use gimp-svg plugin i am searching in google and i cannot find it! i want to create svg images and i have search in gimp and i cannot find the plugin! what should i do ?! |
| 17:02.50 | abrotman | x-dev perhaps |
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| 17:03.12 | blondie | iturk: apt-get install gimp-svg ? |
| 17:03.16 | AcuraX | Ty |
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| 17:03.39 | iturk | blondie: that was the first think that i have done |
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| 17:03.57 | blondie | isn't it just a case of saving as file.svg? |
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| 17:04.14 | iturk | blondie: it doens recognise the format |
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| 17:04.39 | {cyborg} | Hi, how can I prevent a module to be loaded at startup (pcspkr) ? |
| 17:05.01 | Chrom__ | you have to blacklist it |
| 17:05.10 | iturk | blondie: it says type of file unknown !! |
| 17:05.12 | blondie | iturk: see if there's any docs in /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 17:05.19 | {cyborg} | Chrom__: already done, it still loads |
| 17:05.23 | abrotman | blacklisting pcspkr is hard |
| 17:05.45 | {cyborg} | I did a echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 17:05.59 | Chrom__ | and it still loads? |
| 17:06.00 | iturk | blondie: only this-> changelog.Debian.gz changelog.gz copyright |
| 17:06.08 | {cyborg} | Chrom__: yes |
| 17:06.21 | {cyborg} | Chrom__: I'm using etch btw |
| 17:06.22 | jelly-home | bet it gets loaded in initramfs |
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| 17:06.29 | abrotman | http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-disable-pcspkr-in-etch.html |
| 17:07.10 | rvsjoen | a screwdriver and wirecutter would do the trick :P |
| 17:07.26 | {cyborg} | jelly-home: currently investigating initramfs conf files... |
| 17:07.33 | iturk | blondie: can you try to install it and to use it? |
| 17:08.42 | iturk | blondie: for sometime that i am searching in the menus of gimp for something called svg but nothing is there |
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| 17:09.38 | {cyborg} | jelly-home: didn't find an entry for pcspkr in any file |
| 17:09.55 | Chrom__ | {cyborg}, there's also an update to the post you showed |
| 17:09.57 | Chrom__ | http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/01/disable-pcspkr-hacks.html |
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| 17:10.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: and still the solution there, "install pcspkr /bin/true" doesn't strike me as the "right" one |
| 17:10.20 | SNow | ;] |
| 17:10.27 | abrotman | jelly-home: it works! .. |
| 17:10.35 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's a very difficult module to blacklist ... |
| 17:10.55 | iturk | blondie: well i just discover it that is just for opening not for creating! |
| 17:11.03 | {cyborg} | Chrom__: thanks, will try that |
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| 17:11.28 | SNow | I've installed smartmontools and there isn't any burnbx |
| 17:11.29 | iturk | So my question is which program allow me to create svg files in linux? |
| 17:11.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: sounds like a bug somewhere |
| 17:11.58 | abrotman | jelly-home: probably not |
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| 17:12.34 | jelly-home | SNow: why would you think burnBX would be in smartmontools? They're not related |
| 17:12.55 | jelly-home | SNow: cpuburn: /usr/bin/burnBX |
| 17:13.23 | pipeline | jelly-home: update your initramfs |
| 17:13.58 | jelly-home | pipeline: a comment on that there page says even that doesn't help |
| 17:14.10 | pipeline | jelly-home: things change frequently |
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| 17:14.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, I did what the wine site said, but I got a different error this time: http://pastebin.ca/323686 |
| 17:15.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone give me a hand? |
| 17:15.26 | jonaskoelker | I want to set up my hp laserjet 1320 with cups. The cups howto says that my printer should be autodetected and show up on the admin page. The printer _isn't_ autodetected. |
| 17:15.27 | {cyborg} | I put a "modprobe -r pcspkr" in my rc.local, that should work |
| 17:15.29 | jonaskoelker | how do I debug this? |
| 17:15.31 | jelly-home | pipeline: also {cyborg} wants to know, I don't care about pcspkr |
| 17:15.40 | SNow | jelly-home because: <Quintin> SNow: apt-get install smartmontools <Quintin> SNow: and start burnbx ... does machine continue running? |
| 17:15.45 | jonaskoelker | my kernel (linux 2.6.18) notices when I power cycle the printe |
| 17:15.47 | jonaskoelker | *r |
| 17:16.09 | jonaskoelker | Jan 21 17:55:52 jonaskoelker kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6 |
| 17:16.38 | jonaskoelker | Jan 21 17:55:52 jonaskoelker kernel: usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:16.42 | jelly-home | SNow: well, I see from the log you found out yourself burnbx is a part of some other package... |
| 17:16.42 | cyzie | where does tomcat5.5 stored the pid in debian ? |
| 17:16.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried duckmaze yet? |
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| 17:17.03 | abrotman | no |
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| 17:17.19 | jelly-home | tarzeau: tried tremulous? |
| 17:17.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Tried Warsow? |
| 17:17.36 | tarzeau | jelly-home: no? |
| 17:17.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Tried KDE? ;) |
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| 17:17.56 | SNow | jelly-home yeah, I did :) |
| 17:17.59 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: tried XFCE? |
| 17:18.01 | PingFloyd | tried crack? |
| 17:18.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Not a big fan of A: Minimalism. B: Gtk |
| 17:18.22 | SNow | and if the system hangs doing burnbx, what should I do? |
| 17:18.25 | SNow | recheck all hardware ?? |
| 17:18.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: If you mean for proprietary payware, yes, otherwise, no |
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| 17:19.05 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: ick, yes but i prefer wmaker/gnustep |
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| 17:19.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: When did you try it? :P |
| 17:19.34 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: warsow is not in the distro, therefore it doesn't exist |
| 17:19.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: It should be |
| 17:20.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | You can get a static binary (or source if you prefer) from warsow.net |
| 17:20.10 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: sent the ITP yet? |
| 17:20.20 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: last week (the stuff in etch), since i've started doing etch installs |
| 17:20.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: ITP? |
| 17:20.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: You should've tried configuring it a bit, changing themes etc.. to see what you like the best. One of KDE's best features is its almost infinite configurability. |
| 17:20.56 | tarzeau | jelly-home: looks nice, it's not in debian yet? |
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| 17:21.06 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i hate configuring stuff |
| 17:21.15 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: you should really try OPENSTEP some day |
| 17:21.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | It took me three minutes to configure KDE to my liking. |
| 17:21.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Looks too old... I like shiny. ;) |
| 17:21.28 | abrotman | so maybe it's not really infinite |
| 17:21.29 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: Literally Intent to Package, a mail that says you're willing to package it an upload to the distro |
| 17:21.36 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: it took me zero seconds to configure OPENSTEP, it just works |
| 17:21.40 | jonaskoelker | ^_^ |
| 17:21.48 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: that means, i have 3 more minutes to stay with my girlfriend |
| 17:21.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Yeah, but it still looks old. :P |
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| 17:22.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Hey, that's not fair! You didn't say there was a female involved! |
| 17:22.09 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: and that time is enough for human reproduction (well kinda) |
| 17:22.10 | jonaskoelker | help? |
| 17:22.24 | krazykit | jonaskoelker, problem? |
| 17:22.24 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: it can be made look new - but that's new, and crap, really |
| 17:22.35 | jonaskoelker | krazykit: yes. Scroll up a page or to |
| 17:22.38 | jonaskoelker | *two |
| 17:22.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | jonaskoelker: Say it again.. :P |
| 17:22.53 | krazykit | jonaskoelker, how do you know i'm not in a skinny term :-P |
| 17:22.55 | jonaskoelker | I want to set up my hp laserjet 1320 with cups. The cups howto says that my printer should be autodetected and show up on the admin page. The printer _isn't_ autodetected. |
| 17:22.59 | jonaskoelker | how do I debug this? |
| 17:23.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Like this: |
| 17:23.02 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: really i can not imagine how you wasted three minutes to configure KDE |
| 17:23.03 | jonaskoelker | my kernel (linux 2.6.18) notices when I power cycle the printe |
| 17:23.07 | jonaskoelker | Jan 21 17:55:52 jonaskoelker kernel: usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:23.12 | jonaskoelker | Jan 21 17:55:52 jonaskoelker kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 6 |
| 17:23.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, I did what the wine site said, but I got a different error this time: http://pastebin.ca/323686 |
| 17:23.13 | tarzeau | s,imagine,believe, |
| 17:23.18 | jonaskoelker | oops, the last two lines in opposite order |
| 17:23.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Wallpaper, skin, window decorations, colour theme, superkaramba themes, kicker background etc- |
| 17:24.17 | krazykit | jonaskoelker, as in, it says it'll be automagically set up? you might just have to add the printer manually |
| 17:24.55 | krazykit | unfortunately, i've never owned a printer. |
| 17:24.59 | jonaskoelker | yeah, I'll have to add it manually, but there will automagically be an "add this printer" thing |
| 17:25.02 | jonaskoelker | (which there isn't) |
| 17:25.06 | abrotman | usblp |
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| 17:25.18 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 17:25.25 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 17:25.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | So can anyone please check that pastebin page, and see if you understand what's wrong? |
| 17:25.39 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: windows can waste that time too |
| 17:25.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/323686 |
| 17:26.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: This time included compiling and installing stuff. (Compilations go quickly on dual-core cpus :P) |
| 17:26.15 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: kde people have a boring time at the computer, i have a good time in bed ;) |
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| 17:26.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: As I said, it's unfair that you pull a female into this |
| 17:26.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: you make no sense |
| 17:26.31 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: my computers are slow |
| 17:26.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Most of the people in here don't have a gf |
| 17:27.00 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: oh oh, i wouldn't say that |
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| 17:27.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: We're geek |
| 17:27.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | s |
| 17:27.38 | jonaskoelker | printconf: Skipping file:/dev/ttyS${x}; no autodetection data available. (for x in 0 1 2 3) |
| 17:27.57 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: usblp? $(apt-cache search usblp) = "" |
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| 17:28.00 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah, some have wives or bf |
| 17:28.19 | abrotman | try printconf |
| 17:28.31 | AcuraX | whereis the kde icons located |
| 17:28.33 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: printconf says "Skipping file:/dev/ttyS${x}; no autodetection data available." (for x in 0 1 2 3) |
| 17:28.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: *some* |
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| 17:28.48 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: anyway, it's not relevant |
| 17:28.51 | hark | jonaskoelker: run /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp |
| 17:28.57 | knoxy | how can I do to decrypt the samba passwords? |
| 17:28.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Yeah. |
| 17:29.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | So can anyone help me out again please? http://pastebin.ca/323686 |
| 17:29.28 | wqx | when I've compiled the kernel, where do I copy the kernel image from? (arch/...?) my cpu is: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 4000+ |
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| 17:30.07 | jonaskoelker | hark: direct hp:/no_device_found "Unknown" "hp no_device_found" |
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| 17:31.04 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: hmm, do you have hplip package installed? |
| 17:31.07 | hark | jonaskoelker: what have you installed? |
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| 17:31.14 | hark | jonaskoelker: hplip or hpijs? |
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| 17:31.28 | jonaskoelker | hplip _is_ installed |
| 17:31.43 | jonaskoelker | as is hpjis |
| 17:31.47 | jonaskoelker | ^t |
| 17:31.59 | abrotman | printers suck .. have a child/transcriber! |
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| 17:32.30 | abrotman | transcriptionist? |
| 17:32.34 | abrotman | bah .. who cares :) |
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| 17:32.38 | jonaskoelker | sure. I guess the rest of the office would consider that a perfectly reasonable replacement :P |
| 17:32.47 | abrotman | it's a usb printer or network ? |
| 17:32.50 | jonaskoelker | usb |
| 17:33.00 | jonaskoelker | hp laserjet 1320 |
| 17:33.10 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: does it appear in lsusb after you plug it in? |
| 17:33.10 | hark | jonaskoelker: dmesg detect it? |
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| 17:33.20 | jelly-home | hark: it did, see above |
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| 17:33.26 | jonaskoelker | dmesg | grep usb: the above msgs |
| 17:33.44 | madd_matt | Amarok won't play MP3s. I'm assuming I need to grab some package, but I can't figure out what. |
| 17:33.58 | jonaskoelker | the only lsusb addr which isn't 0000:0000 is for my trackball |
| 17:34.00 | PumpkinPie | whats a simple hard drive benchmark program? |
| 17:34.01 | jonaskoelker | I guess that's a no? |
| 17:34.08 | jonaskoelker | PumpkinPie: find :P |
| 17:34.09 | jelly-home | madd_matt: it should play them by default. Which engine are you using? |
| 17:34.09 | tarzeau | PumpkinPie: time dd, or hdparm |
| 17:34.13 | hark | dmesg |tail instead or grep -i usb |
| 17:34.31 | madd_matt | jelly-home, xine. |
| 17:34.43 | PumpkinPie | hdparm says it tests "buffer" speed and whats not what im looking for |
| 17:35.24 | hark | jonaskoelker: normally it should autodetect the printer |
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| 17:35.34 | jelly-home | madd_matt: hmm. dpkg -l amarok\*|grep ^ii |
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| 17:36.04 | madd_matt | jelly-home, ii amarok 1.4.4-2 versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE |
| 17:36.04 | madd_matt | ii amarok-engines 1.4.4-2 output engines for the Amarok audio player |
| 17:36.04 | madd_matt | ii amarok-xine 1.4.4-2 xine engine for the Amarok audio player |
| 17:36.29 | larsl | Are there any unofficial kernel packages with the RT preemption patches applied somewhere, or does it have to be built manually? |
| 17:36.31 | jelly-home | madd_matt: looks about right... what message does it display? |
| 17:36.48 | jonaskoelker | grep *-i* usb doesn't make any difference |
| 17:36.50 | madd_matt | jelly-home, "Some media not playable" when i try to add them to playlist |
| 17:36.58 | jonaskoelker | hark: okay, so how do I make it act normal then? :P |
| 17:37.18 | jelly-home | madd_matt: if you have xine-ui installed, can you play them in xine? |
| 17:37.20 | tarzeau | larsl: you could easily make them using make-kpkg (kernel-package) |
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| 17:38.01 | larsl | tarzeau: Which package is that in? |
| 17:38.11 | krazykit | larsl, kernel-package |
| 17:38.27 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 17:38.29 | jonaskoelker | I just installed cups-pdf, and lo and behold: "New Printers Found <li> <button-image "add this printer"> PDF printer (virtual printer)" |
| 17:38.44 | jonaskoelker | so new printer autodetection isn't _completely_ b0rked |
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| 17:39.16 | christopherl | I want to see what I have in my harddrive, how can I do that using the command line? |
| 17:39.20 | madd_matt | jelly-home, yes, they play in xine. Amarok's collection seems to have broken, so its probably all just messed up. I haven't got time to fix it now |
| 17:39.57 | hark | christopherl: ls? |
| 17:40.12 | tarzeau | christopherl: if the harddrive is not mounted, mount it first |
| 17:40.24 | tarzeau | christopherl: you can check the partitions using fdisk -l disk |
| 17:40.26 | jelly-home | madd_matt: there's also #amarok for when you have more time |
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| 17:40.31 | christopherl | thanks |
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| 17:40.56 | madd_matt | jelly-home, i know. I assumed this was a debian specific "We're completely free-speech" problem ;) |
| 17:41.31 | hark | jonaskoelker: that is different. try tail -f /var/log/messages and replug it. Does it say anything else? |
| 17:42.01 | hark | madd_matt: maybe it can't find the collection. what if you drag n' drop a file |
| 17:42.11 | jelly-home | madd_matt: no, debian doesn't have a problem with mp3. |
| 17:42.22 | jonaskoelker | Jan 21 18:42:01 jonaskoelker kernel: usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 4 |
| 17:42.22 | jonaskoelker | Jan 21 18:42:04 jonaskoelker kernel: usb 1-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 7 |
| 17:42.26 | jonaskoelker | Jan 21 18:42:05 jonaskoelker kernel: usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:42.29 | jonaskoelker | that's what it says |
| 17:42.57 | hark | uh. ok |
| 17:43.34 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: does usblp get loaded? |
| 17:44.05 | jonaskoelker | it's a module? |
| 17:44.12 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: yup |
| 17:44.13 | jonaskoelker | (lsmod | grep usblp: empty) |
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| 17:44.42 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: hmm, is this a multifunction device? |
| 17:44.46 | jonaskoelker | nope |
| 17:44.48 | jonaskoelker | just a printer |
| 17:45.01 | jonaskoelker | I tried loading the module manually, cups still doesn't autodetect |
| 17:45.10 | abrotman | anything in dmesg ? |
| 17:45.16 | christopherl | don't you remove a directory with rm? |
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| 17:45.27 | abrotman | unplug/replug the printer afterloading the module |
| 17:45.27 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: does it have a card reader or something? For some reason it's not detected as a usb printer |
| 17:45.37 | slept | christopherl, -rf |
| 17:45.38 | abrotman | christopherl: you can |
| 17:45.43 | christopherl | ok |
| 17:45.44 | abrotman | slept: -f isn't needed |
| 17:45.44 | jonaskoelker | not that I know of |
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| 17:46.16 | piper69 | good morning guys |
| 17:47.03 | jonaskoelker | hm... I'll try using the parallel port instead |
| 17:47.04 | piper69 | for some odd reason i can never install debian sarge or etch in this Dell dimension 8200 |
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| 17:47.19 | abrotman | errors are helpful ... |
| 17:47.31 | hark | abrotman: really? |
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| 17:48.22 | piper69 | it get stuck in partioning the hard drive exactlly at 33% |
| 17:48.34 | garotosopa | hi. when I mount a samba share it doesn't show special chars in file names although they're ok while listing in the server. How could I fix this? |
| 17:48.48 | tarzeau | garotosopa: which encoding? |
| 17:49.02 | jonaskoelker | jelly-home: might it be because I use 2.6.18? |
| 17:49.09 | garotosopa | tarzeau, how can I check it? |
| 17:49.13 | tarzeau | garotosopa: use the nls drivers? |
| 17:49.17 | tarzeau | garotosopa: you have to know it |
| 17:49.41 | tarzeau | garotosopa: tip: mount -t smbfs -o iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=cp850,username=X,password=Y //somehost/someshare /mnt |
| 17:49.49 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: I don't know which things might be broken in 2.6.18... |
| 17:49.52 | tarzeau | garotosopa: but the better tip: don't use special chars in filenames |
| 17:50.00 | piper69 | and i know that the media"cd" is not damaged and the harddrive is not because i tried 3 diffrent drives please help |
| 17:50.03 | abrotman | piper69: might get more help at #debian-boot on OFTC |
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| 17:50.20 | tarzeau | garotosopa: special chars will cause problem: when burning cd images, when transfering to other systmes etc |
| 17:50.24 | piper69 | abrotmanOFTC |
| 17:50.28 | piper69 | what is that |
| 17:50.48 | garotosopa | tarzeau, my primary language is portuguese so I have always used special chars (I mean ãéó) |
| 17:50.55 | abrotman | irc.oftc.net |
| 17:50.58 | tarzeau | garotosopa: use them, but not in filenames |
| 17:51.10 | tarzeau | garotosopa: i also have special chars, but not in filenames |
| 17:51.19 | jonaskoelker | oh well, now /var/log/messages says usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 5 |
| 17:51.22 | jonaskoelker | usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 17:51.23 | garotosopa | tarzeau, does that mount statement assume the server handles file names in iso8859-1 ? |
| 17:51.25 | jonaskoelker | drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 5 if 0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x1D17 |
| 17:51.31 | tarzeau | garotosopa: yes |
| 17:51.32 | hark | jonaskoelker: nah, that shouldn't be a problem. The only problem I've had was with because of a faulty USB cable. |
| 17:51.47 | jelly-home | tarzeau: that's just retarded, in 2007, not to use one's full character set in filenames... |
| 17:51.47 | piper69 | abrotman ok thanks |
| 17:51.49 | hark | jonaskoelker: yes, that's the message you should expect :) |
| 17:51.52 | garotosopa | tarzeau, what if I want the server to handle as utf-8? is it possible? |
| 17:51.57 | tarzeau | jelly-home: no, it's not retarded |
| 17:52.00 | jonaskoelker | okay. How do I go from there to cups? :) |
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| 17:52.11 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I beg to differ |
| 17:52.13 | tarzeau | jelly-home: look, when you run mac os x, windows and unix systems, you will NOT use special characters |
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| 17:52.18 | tarzeau | jelly-home: go ahead, i won't |
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| 17:52.21 | AcuraX | Is there a debian osx icon package? |
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| 17:52.30 | hark | jonaskoelker: just choose add printer. it should show up in the drop down list |
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| 17:52.36 | gaygeek | hi |
| 17:52.37 | tarzeau | jelly-home: and i will especially not use spaces in filenames (makes life in console so much more pleasant) |
| 17:52.40 | jelly-home | tarzeau: Dunno about MacOS, but windows & linux work. |
| 17:52.51 | christopherl | when you want to reverse mount, isn't it unmount? |
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| 17:52.54 | pipeline | wtf |
| 17:52.58 | tarzeau | jelly-home: depends on the filesystems |
| 17:53.01 | karmatronic | christopherl: umount |
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| 17:53.06 | pipeline | windows and unix both handle UTF-8 and spaces in filenames just fine |
| 17:53.06 | christopherl | thanks |
| 17:53.15 | pipeline | colons, ascii null, question mark, and slashes, not so much ;P |
| 17:53.22 | tarzeau | jelly-home: we have 2007, and still microsoft ships a crappy mspaint.exe so what? |
| 17:53.25 | jonaskoelker | hark: add printer -> I have to input name, location and description |
| 17:53.32 | tarzeau | pipeline: unix what? which unix filesystems? |
| 17:53.33 | SNow | Hi, I've did burnbx and it was stable, but again, I started apache2 and I got server on hold, it said: kernel panic fatal exception in interrupt, and something about conntrack |
| 17:53.35 | SNow | any ideas?? |
| 17:53.40 | jonaskoelker | and next I have to pick a device |
| 17:53.41 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: only location matters |
| 17:53.46 | pipeline | tarzeau: uhhhh every filesystem linux supports? |
| 17:53.47 | tarzeau | pipeline: have fun with spaces in filenames, when quoting them by retards |
| 17:53.53 | tarzeau | pipeline: NO |
| 17:53.57 | tarzeau | pipeline: forget it! |
| 17:53.58 | pipeline | tarzeau: ... |
| 17:53.58 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: and the device,of course |
| 17:54.01 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I want to use my diacritics, and I dont use mspaint so it's a non-issue |
| 17:54.13 | pipeline | tarzeau: You're nuts. There's nothing that linux supports read/write that can't do UTF-8 spaces etc |
| 17:54.18 | tarzeau | pipeline: besides linux support of filesystems isn't that great, it's pretty buggy for some |
| 17:54.21 | jonaskoelker | so, what should I select for device? |
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| 17:54.25 | tarzeau | pipeline: bullshit |
| 17:54.26 | pipeline | tarzeau: Then don't use buggy filesystems. Duh. |
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| 17:54.41 | tarzeau | pipeline: it's not a bug in the filesystem, but the linux' implementation |
| 17:54.42 | SNow | maybe that's because that I setted ip_conntrack max to 60000 ? |
| 17:54.47 | pipeline | tarzeau: WHICH filesystem? |
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| 17:54.52 | SNow | because it talks something about not syncing and conntrack stuff |
| 17:54.56 | pipeline | tarzeau: Stick to ext3 and you will be rewarded in the afterlife :) |
| 17:55.04 | jonaskoelker | AppSocket/HP JetDirect? Backend Error Handler? hp no_device_found? IPP? HTTP? lpd/lpr host/printer? virtual printer? windows/samba printer? |
| 17:55.05 | tarzeau | pipeline: amiga filesystem support is crap, so is hfs(+), ufs and some others |
| 17:55.07 | gaygeek | anyone want to share penis pics? :] -> query pls |
| 17:55.12 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: which device should I select? |
| 17:55.19 | pipeline | tarzeau: err, UFS and amiga aren't read/write. |
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| 17:55.26 | tarzeau | pipeline: ext3 is a stupid idea if you have very much small files, or if you need really great performance (nfs server) |
| 17:55.29 | pipeline | tarzeau: HFS+ is readwrite, sort of. |
| 17:55.29 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: what kind of printer are you setting ? |
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| 17:55.34 | jelly-home | gaygeek: please don't spam here |
| 17:55.35 | pipeline | tarzeau: Linux NFS is a gigantic fucking joke. |
| 17:55.37 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: hp laserjet 1320 |
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| 17:55.47 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: connected via usb |
| 17:55.49 | pipeline | tarzeau: And ext3 does just fine with lots of small files :P |
| 17:55.58 | tarzeau | pipeline: don't forget ntfs4,5,fat |
| 17:56.08 | SNow | anyeone? |
| 17:56.09 | pipeline | tarzeau: vfat supports UTF-8 and spaces under linux |
| 17:56.11 | tarzeau | pipeline: you don't want journaling on a mailserver |
| 17:56.23 | pipeline | tarzeau: Linux does not support ntfs read/write. |
| 17:56.25 | tarzeau | pipeline: ok it's pointless |
| 17:56.30 | tarzeau | pipeline: yes it does |
| 17:56.37 | tarzeau | pipeline: same for ufs |
| 17:56.42 | pipeline | tarzeau: ... |
| 17:56.51 | jelly-home | tarzeau: what's your point? |
| 17:56.52 | pipeline | tarzeau: I think I'll be better off for putting you on ignore, bud. |
| 17:57.04 | tarzeau | pipeline: yes, please |
| 17:57.12 | tarzeau | jelly-home: that using special chars in filenames is retarded |
| 17:57.14 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: you re supposed to use the HPLIP driver |
| 17:57.22 | slept | pipeline, if you click on everthing it works nice... but use it in bash you just start to hate yourself for the whitespaces when you made your 1000000s \ in a filename |
| 17:57.25 | tarzeau | oh, with samba too |
| 17:57.26 | jelly-home | tarzeau: It's not retarded, it's useful. |
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| 17:57.34 | abrotman | pipeline: /unig! |
| 17:57.36 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: why? how? |
| 17:57.37 | tarzeau | smbfs also causes very funny problems on linux/mac os x |
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| 17:57.59 | abrotman | every network file system has quirks when used between different operating systems :) |
| 17:58.13 | tarzeau | because windows/dos doesn't allow some chars, but unix allows them giving random filenames (see samba, it's documented) |
| 17:58.27 | jelly-home | tarzeau: my users want to name their files with more than measly 26 ascii alpha characters. Down with the American hegemony! |
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| 17:59.04 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: in the device section of cups, you select usb printer |
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| 17:59.20 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: then the brand (HP) |
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| 17:59.25 | tarzeau | jelly-home: my users want to have the same filename on all available systems |
| 17:59.27 | jelly-home | tarzeau: that's correct, but has nothing to do with latin1, more with colons and stuff. |
| 17:59.36 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: there is no USB option |
| 17:59.36 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: right? |
| 17:59.41 | jonaskoelker | yeah, it's a HP |
| 18:00.00 | Fahrenheit | Hello, i know it's illegal, but i have to copy an original version of the sims 2 for my girlfriend, of course, i'm using Debian, do you know any tools for cracking safedisk v2.3 under linux ? |
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| 18:00.15 | hark | jonaskoelker: wait, check the /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp thing again.. |
| 18:00.18 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: lshw gets it right: $(lshw | grep -c 1320) >= 1 |
| 18:00.23 | abrotman | Fahrenheit: try efnet |
| 18:00.36 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: jonaskoelker choose lpd as device |
| 18:00.52 | Fahrenheit | abrotman : thx very much |
| 18:00.53 | jonaskoelker | "device uri: "? |
| 18:00.56 | SNow | anyone |
| 18:00.58 | SNow | ? |
| 18:01.34 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/install/index.html |
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| 18:06.02 | jonaskoelker | .. and I can't 'apt-get install hplip' instead of following http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/install/index.html? |
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| 18:06.11 | PumpkinPie | How do I create a 500 mb file using DD ? |
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| 18:06.30 | ihope | Hi! |
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| 18:07.29 | hark | jonaskoelker: don't use that installer |
| 18:07.33 | jonaskoelker | okay |
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| 18:07.39 | jonaskoelker | thanks ^_^ |
| 18:07.47 | christopherl | Is it possible to unmount the current filesystem? Im trying to do that but the device is busy. I don't know what things it busy with, how can I find out? |
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| 18:08.11 | thompa | hi, anyone know if beryl is possible on debian etch on a i915 gma laptop? |
| 18:08.20 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
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| 18:08.29 | abrotman | thompa: i don't think beryl is in debian |
| 18:08.34 | hark | thompa: should be, but there are no official packages |
| 18:08.42 | ix | thompa: try it with AIGLX. |
| 18:08.49 | abrotman | beerboy! |
| 18:09.12 | thompa | hark: i downloaded a script and have beryl installed and have a no composite extension error |
| 18:09.30 | ix | abrotman: fuckit, man :D |
| 18:09.36 | hark | thompa: added the Composite section in your xorg.conf? |
| 18:09.45 | hark | heh |
| 18:10.01 | jonaskoelker | anyone got a good idea what to try with my printer? |
| 18:10.13 | thompa | hark: no i didnt |
| 18:10.16 | hark | thompa: Section "Extensions"? |
| 18:10.20 | vanisher | jonaskoelker: print? ;-) |
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| 18:10.33 | thompa | hark: do i need an nvidia card? |
| 18:10.43 | jonaskoelker | vanisher: I still need cups to detect it |
| 18:10.55 | hark | thompa: etch? |
| 18:11.09 | jonaskoelker | varnisher: it's a hp laserjet 1320 connected with usb; dmes/lshw see it just fine |
| 18:11.17 | thompa | hark: yes |
| 18:11.26 | hark | jonaskoelker: /usr/lib/cups/backend/hp --> nothing? |
| 18:11.41 | Kuko | http://pastebin.ca/323748 <---- any ideas? Is there some kinda .run lib? |
| 18:12.01 | jonaskoelker | direct hp:/no_device_found "Unknown" "hp no_device_found" |
| 18:12.08 | hark | thompa: it should work. just enable the Composite extension in your xorg.conf. |
| 18:12.26 | hark | thompa: or try compiz from the repositories |
| 18:12.31 | thompa | hark: ok i found this http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian#Beryl_With_AIGLX_or_without |
| 18:12.51 | karmatronic | back |
| 18:12.58 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: you need hpid driver |
| 18:13.07 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: check the howto page i gave you |
| 18:13.09 | thompa | hark: thanks, i had blag on here (fedora based) and it had 3d by default, but no beryl settings which was weird |
| 18:13.14 | jonaskoelker | 19:07 <hark> jonaskoelker: don't use that installer |
| 18:13.22 | thompa | hark: i want to use deb only though |
| 18:13.23 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: that's what hark had to say |
| 18:13.36 | thompa | hark: thanks will try |
| 18:14.09 | hark | thompa: see section 1.5 in your link |
| 18:14.40 | thompa | hark: seems i need libxcomposite1, that too, thanks |
| 18:14.45 | hark | jonaskoelker: printers are such a pain... |
| 18:15.26 | jonaskoelker | yes |
| 18:15.27 | jonaskoelker | although I remember it being fairly easy before I reinstalled debian |
| 18:15.27 | hark | thompa: that's in the repos. IIRC |
| 18:15.27 | jelly-home | jonaskoelker: I've just tried my deskjet, and it can be seen in lsusb. Also, when it's plugged in usblp gets loaded |
| 18:15.40 | thompa | hark: got it |
| 18:15.43 | jonaskoelker | good to know |
| 18:16.22 | karmatronic | jonaskoelker: http://hplip.sourceforge.net/install/step4/cups/local.html |
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| 18:16.53 | hark | jonaskoelker: restart cups and see |
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| 18:17.22 | iturk | hi there! is there any free program for acounting in linux ?? |
| 18:17.22 | jonaskoelker | hark: still the same |
| 18:17.34 | jonaskoelker | karmatronic: 404 |
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| 18:18.07 | krazykit | iturk, gnucash |
| 18:18.09 | stew | iturk: gnucash? |
| 18:18.15 | dooglus | !info grisbi |
| 18:18.15 | cappiz_ | dooglus, correct syntax is !addinfo <release> <files> <size_in_mb>, fix your script |
| 18:18.16 | hark | gnucash, kmymoney |
| 18:18.18 | dpkg | grisbi: (Personal finance management program), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.5.8-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 866 kB, Installed size: 2316 kB |
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| 18:18.38 | dooglus | cappiz_: you fix your script. |
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| 18:19.00 | jetscreamer | sometimes with hp and usb, you want to use the string which may read similar to mc:par:something:something |
| 18:19.10 | jetscreamer | orw was that lp |
| 18:19.18 | jetscreamer | instead of the lp0 and such |
| 18:19.38 | stew | !test |
| 18:19.39 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:19.50 | shingouz | not exactly debian, but does a Thinkpad 600 2645-450 support hd's over 40GB? looks like either the hd is crappy or the system just does not see the damn drive every time |
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| 18:20.08 | karmatronic | shingouz: is it sata? |
| 18:20.15 | stew | its not |
| 18:20.18 | hark | nah |
| 18:20.22 | shingouz | karmatronic: you wish: pata |
| 18:20.22 | jelly-home | shingouz: how old is the machine? Which chipset? |
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| 18:20.36 | thompa | hark: got beryl, thanks |
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| 18:20.48 | shingouz | jelly-home: 1998 and about the chipset, no idea |
| 18:20.53 | jelly-home | shingouz: sounds like the 32GB BIOS limit |
| 18:21.00 | shingouz | it sure does... |
| 18:21.14 | Codex_ | is it normal that X11 mouse cursor is sluggish while doing apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:21.43 | jelly-home | shingouz: _some_ drives have a "clip to 32GB" jumper that makes BIOS see them as 32GB... they work in Linux with full capacity after the boot |
| 18:21.46 | thompa | on the`sony nvidia makes things get too hot, i prefer the intel gma |
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| 18:22.08 | hark | thompa: open source as well :) |
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| 18:22.14 | shingouz | jelly-home: not this drive. unfortunately |
| 18:22.16 | limpio | hi all, if i use the netinstaller, i assume i will be getting the latest apps, so, i won't need to upgrade (rebuild world) later on, just the kernel? |
| 18:22.35 | thompa | hark: is the nvidia not? |
| 18:22.42 | krazykit | Codex_, depends on the system. it's not abnormal. |
| 18:22.44 | dvs | limpio: there will be upgrades (security) later on. |
| 18:22.49 | hark | thompa: for 3d, not right now |
| 18:23.00 | Kuko | whats the thing i need to extract .run files |
| 18:23.01 | Kuko | ? |
| 18:23.05 | limpio | dvs,thx |
| 18:23.18 | dvs | no prob |
| 18:23.25 | krazykit | Kuko, you don't. you "run" them. chmod +x file.run ; ./file.run |
| 18:23.25 | iturk | krazykit: it seems nice but in this accounting programs they says its for small business! So what could be the diference between this one, regarding features, and a 500 € application for windows for the same porpuse? |
| 18:23.38 | Kuko | =\ its saying it failed |
| 18:23.39 | Codex_ | krazykit: this is slow laptop. But the X11 apps are unusable while apt-get installs stuffs. |
| 18:23.46 | krazykit | iturk, iunno. i don't do any accounting stuff |
| 18:23.50 | jelly-home | modem |
| 18:24.26 | krazykit | Codex_, you could nice the program down |
| 18:24.28 | iturk | krazykit: my question its like if you add a big enterprise would you use gnucash to manage it! this is a question for everybody! |
| 18:24.46 | tarzeau | iturk: i wouldn't |
| 18:25.00 | Codex_ | krazykit: I've tried that and also hdparm and few other tricks too, but none seems to help :( |
| 18:25.09 | shingouz | <mumblergrumble> looks like it is time to find a smaller hd or a newer laptop |
| 18:25.14 | tarzeau | iturk: it's for personal use, not an enterprise, even less so a large big one |
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| 18:25.41 | g333k | Hi, is "GLIB - version >= 2.4.0" avaiable for debian etch? |
| 18:25.52 | jelly-home | g333k: sure is. |
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| 18:26.22 | jelly-home | g333k: what are you trying to build? |
| 18:26.24 | g333k | jelly-home, I just see libglib-2.0-0 version 2.12.4-2 for me |
| 18:26.35 | g333k | jelly-home, hptalx 1.3.0 |
| 18:26.40 | jelly-home | g333k: yes, and 2.12 => 2.4.0 |
| 18:26.49 | moparisthebest | can anyone tell me what 'getty' is and if I need it running? |
| 18:26.59 | g333k | jelly-home, I dont see the 2.4.0 |
| 18:27.05 | dvs | info libglib |
| 18:27.06 | iturk | tarzeau: is there any open source for enterprise use? |
| 18:27.09 | dvs | oops |
| 18:27.13 | jelly-home | g333k: 2.12 is bigger than 2.4 ! |
| 18:27.22 | tarzeau | iturk: no idea, since i don't have an enterprise |
| 18:27.28 | jelly-home | g333k: I suggest running apt-get build-dep hptalx |
| 18:28.17 | hark | iturk: you should have mentioned 'enterprise' in the first place ;) |
| 18:28.45 | iturk | tarzeau: i am like you now but i am the guy that is trying to make the enterprise more dynamic to enter some open source ideas! |
| 18:28.50 | g333k | jelly-home, inside the hptalx directory? |
| 18:28.56 | krazykit | moparisthebest, you need it. |
| 18:29.02 | tarzeau | iturk: what does the enterprise do? |
| 18:29.17 | iturk | tarzeau: its kind of association with a lot of money |
| 18:29.18 | jelly-home | g333k: doesn't matter where you run it, it should install all the development packages needed to build hptalx |
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| 18:29.30 | moparisthebest | ok krazykit I was just curious as to why I have 6 of them running and I couldnt find anything on google |
| 18:29.31 | g333k | jelly-home, really? |
| 18:29.32 | moparisthebest | thanks |
| 18:29.35 | tarzeau | iturk: bank? insurance? |
| 18:29.44 | iturk | tarzeau: it manages live concerts |
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| 18:29.51 | g333k | jelly-home, How come I dindt know that before? |
| 18:29.58 | jelly-home | g333k: I shit you not, dude |
| 18:29.59 | tarzeau | iturk: maybe there's a less critical part where you can try to use free software |
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| 18:30.01 | krazykit | !tell moparisthebest -bout tty |
| 18:30.02 | iturk | tarzeau: with big names |
| 18:30.09 | tarzeau | iturk: say some workstation or the like? webserver? |
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| 18:30.49 | iturk | tarzeau: i was just maybe thinking to bring some ideas for accounting stuff |
| 18:31.02 | g333k | jelly-home, E: Unable to find a source package for hptalx |
| 18:31.22 | tarzeau | iturk: no company is known to me, using gnucash |
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| 18:31.35 | iturk | tarzeau: i think the same |
| 18:31.36 | jelly-home | g333k: ah, you'll need to add a deb-src line to your sources.list, then run apt-get update. |
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| 18:32.14 | jelly-home | g333k: copy your debian-mirror line and replace "deb" with "deb-src" |
| 18:32.17 | g333k | jelly-home, I already have the deb-src line |
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| 18:32.52 | g333k | had* |
| 18:32.57 | iturk | tarzeau: they told me that all the accounting programs have to be licensed but in open source world that doesnt exists so much right ? |
| 18:33.09 | jelly-home | g333k: hmm, something's funny, lemme check |
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| 18:33.35 | Zenox | Not really a Debianspecific question but is it possible to connect a 2,5" Laptop SATA harddrive to an regular ATX computers SATA connection or do you need a special adapter or cable? |
| 18:33.50 | jelly-home | g333k: ah. Sorry, hptalx is not in debian any more, I was mislead by some leftovers on my system. |
| 18:33.54 | blondie | Zenox: #hardware |
| 18:34.00 | anirban | Hi |
| 18:34.05 | jelly-home | g333k: In any case, you'll need -dev packages installed. |
| 18:34.09 | Zenox | blondie: thanks |
| 18:34.17 | anirban | How can I configure my debian so that I get the updates automatically |
| 18:34.29 | anirban | I generally do apt-get update |
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| 18:34.31 | tarzeau | iturk: yes they are licensed, under some free software license |
| 18:34.33 | jelly-home | g333k: like libglib2.0-dev and libgtk2.0-dev |
| 18:34.35 | g333k | jelly-home, ok let me try |
| 18:34.39 | anirban | and then apt-get upgrade after some days |
| 18:34.40 | tarzeau | iturk: i'm not sure what kind of license you are thinking of |
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| 18:34.53 | h3xis | anirban, possibly a cron schedule |
| 18:34.54 | iturk | tarzeau: windows type one |
| 18:35.11 | h3xis | anirban, or i think there's an update manager package that is in testing that might work |
| 18:35.12 | tarzeau | iturk: eula? |
| 18:35.13 | anirban | synacptic have no such option |
| 18:35.21 | tarzeau | iturk: i'm not sure anyone wants a license like that |
| 18:35.22 | plugwash | normally to run X apps in a chroot i do xhost + outside and export DISPLAY=127.0.0.1:0.0 inside but this no longer seems to work |
| 18:35.32 | plugwash | any ideas what might have gone wrong? |
| 18:35.33 | h3xis | anirban, cron isnt in synaptic. cron is a unix scheduler |
| 18:35.41 | anirban | I know |
| 18:35.47 | iturk | tarzeau: well i am not an expert in liceses |
| 18:36.01 | anirban | but does synaptic have such kind of option |
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| 18:36.21 | anirban | so best thing is that I write a cron script for auto update |
| 18:36.23 | jetscreamer | !cron-apt |
| 18:36.31 | jetscreamer | !info cron-apt |
| 18:36.31 | cappiz_ | jetscreamer, correct syntax is !addinfo <release> <files> <size_in_mb>, fix your script |
| 18:36.33 | dpkg | cron-apt: (automatic update of packages using apt-get), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.13 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 18:36.46 | jetscreamer | cappiz: huh? |
| 18:37.09 | jelly-home | cappiz_: fix your bot to not answer to ! in here |
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| 18:37.15 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 18:37.44 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: I'm only guessing that's the case here |
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| 18:38.01 | simon23 | hi all, has anyone of you heard about an interface for linux that uses the doom source? its just like the game, but the rooms represent your directories in the filesystem, the the people running around are the processes of you computer... anyone heard about that? i just lost the Fu***** link!... |
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| 18:38.25 | tarzeau | simon23: yes, it's pretty well known |
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| 18:38.54 | simon23 | do you have the "right" name or a link for that? |
| 18:39.01 | ix | simon23: yes. it's called "psdoom". |
| 18:39.14 | simon23 | thanks a lot!! you saved my day :-) |
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| 18:39.23 | ix | no problem :) |
| 18:39.35 | garotosopa | I used display charset, unix charset and dos charset as iso8859-1 in my smb.conf and the special chars are fine now. without these settings, what were the defaults? utf-8 ? |
| 18:39.49 | M0ppi | i cannot boot into my debian (arm) system fsck failed every time with exit code 3 and i tried to use the kernel with nofsck option but it doesnt recognizes - what can i do to avoid fsck and boot into the system? |
| 18:39.55 | jelly-home | garotosopa: cp437 probably. |
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| 18:40.52 | garotosopa | jelly-home, I wish to know if using such settings could bring me any encoding problems in the future if I move the hard disk or change the OS and stuff.. |
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| 18:41.17 | jelly-home | any ircops around? |
| 18:42.06 | rvsjoen | I see some things never change.. |
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| 18:42.16 | sphenxes | what are linux available Web Publisher blog programs (e.g. Movable Type, Typepad)? |
| 18:42.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: !ops ? |
| 18:42.46 | jelly-home | abrotman: not channel ops, ircops |
| 18:42.55 | abrotman | jelly-home: some are both |
| 18:43.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah, I don't want to alarm the others |
| 18:43.23 | Decepticon | how do i apt-get testing/unstable packages ? |
| 18:43.31 | abrotman | jelly-home: or /stats p ... to find who is on duty :) |
| 18:43.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's it, thanks |
| 18:43.40 | abrotman | !tell Decepticon about sarge->etch |
| 18:44.02 | Decepticon | wouldnt that break stuff? |
| 18:44.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's a very unusual command, I never remember it |
| 18:45.06 | jelly-home | Decepticon: I probably would. |
| 18:45.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: /who *staff ? |
| 18:45.11 | jelly-home | s/I/it/ |
| 18:45.15 | abrotman | erm .. /whois ... |
| 18:45.36 | abrotman | whatever it is |
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| 18:46.04 | tiolxpe | anyone recommend a good dvd player? |
| 18:46.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: we have quite a few in here ... |
| 18:46.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: didn't know that |
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| 18:46.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: it would be /who *freenode/staff* |
| 18:46.57 | paroneayea | anyone else find that the an apt-get dist-upgrade breaks gnome now in unstable? |
| 18:47.11 | abrotman | it's called unstable for a reason |
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| 18:47.19 | paroneayea | acknowledged |
| 18:47.24 | abrotman | start at the bts |
| 18:47.26 | paroneayea | but wanting to check if its a fault on my end |
| 18:47.30 | paroneayea | bts? |
| 18:47.34 | hark | paroneayea: with libgnomevfs2-0 right now, yes. bts! |
| 18:47.41 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 18:47.42 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:47.59 | paroneayea | hark: ok, that seems congruent with my end |
| 18:48.02 | dieb | What WM are you using? |
| 18:48.05 | paroneayea | i'll file a bug then |
| 18:48.22 | jelly-home | He who don't know about bts and/or reportbug, should not use unstable |
| 18:48.38 | paroneayea | jelly-home: I reported a bug yesterday, actually... I just didn't know the bts abbreviation |
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| 18:48.54 | paroneayea | bug that I filed: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=407813 |
| 18:48.54 | paroneayea | :P |
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| 18:49.30 | jelly-home | paroneayea: sorry |
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| 18:50.08 | jelly-home | paroneayea: sounded condescending, didn't it |
| 18:50.26 | paroneayea | it's alright ;) |
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| 18:50.30 | g333k | jelly-home, yep it worked |
| 18:51.22 | jelly-home | g333k: nice |
| 18:51.25 | hark | paroneayea: The updated package is in incoming now, i guess |
| 18:51.52 | paroneayea | hark: ah, so I guess I should abandon filing this bug |
| 18:51.56 | paroneayea | hark: how did you know? |
| 18:52.22 | abrotman | incoming.debian.org |
| 18:52.28 | paroneayea | sweet, didn't know about that |
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| 18:54.10 | hark | ah, but not 2.16.3-3 |
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| 18:57.47 | riot | hi |
| 18:57.54 | tarzeau | hi |
| 18:58.08 | riot | how do i repackage an unpacked .deb? (its just some xfonts, so no sources et al) |
| 18:58.17 | tarzeau | riot: dpkg-repack |
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| 18:58.48 | riot | tarzeau: oh, so trivial... thank you :) |
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| 18:59.55 | riot | tarzeau: uh, this doesn't include new files, does it? |
| 19:00.44 | tarzeau | riot: new files ? |
| 19:01.51 | riot | tarzeau: i want to add some new fonts to this xfonts-package. I have unpacked it using dpkg-deb. |
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| 19:02.28 | tarzeau | riot: and the new fonts are from where? |
| 19:02.43 | xingu | man, racoon with transport mode on ipv6 is kicking my ass |
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| 19:03.35 | xingu | it can't find the security association it should, will only fall through to the anonymous sainfo |
| 19:04.24 | riot | tarzeau: i copied them out of the deb and edited them to new files. |
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| 19:04.40 | DukeDrake | hi =) |
| 19:04.55 | riot | tarzeau: whats with my client-version? I'm running sid, if you want to know. |
| 19:04.59 | DukeDrake | I'd have a question concerning group administration |
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| 19:05.22 | tarzeau | riot: i'm just investigating ubuntu spys |
| 19:05.34 | tarzeau | riot: standard check, like at airports you know |
| 19:05.39 | DukeDrake | I added a new user called "nuser". 'id nuser' says he is member of 'users' but when I try "gpasswd -d nuser users" it says "unknown member nuser" |
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| 19:06.03 | sphenxes | I have download a program called blog.war written in jsp? how can I run the program (after chmod x+u) |
| 19:06.04 | riot | tarzeau: hehehe. |
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| 19:07.01 | Harley^ | Howdy :) I installed Debian Etch. I had a volume control on my panel in Gnome but I had NO SOUND. I re-ran Debian -> Apps -> System -> Admin -> Alsa Conf and now the volume control is no longer on the panel and there is still no sound. Would someone please assist me with sound. I have sight problems and I use sound to assist me. |
| 19:07.07 | riot | tarzeau: it seems necessary. They never answer questions in #ubuntu, i hear. |
| 19:07.21 | tarzeau | riot: they do, if they know |
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| 19:10.06 | eisen_ | Harley^: did you restart alsa? |
| 19:10.21 | riot | hmm. guess i'll just send those new xfonts to the maintainer (..and eventually never become a maintainer by myself..) |
| 19:10.36 | Harley^ | eisen_: I restarted the computer. |
| 19:10.52 | riot | .oO( Just gotta find a maintainer for my projects.. *duh ) |
| 19:10.58 | eisen_ | Harley^: alsaconf found your card? |
| 19:11.05 | Harley^ | eisen_: Yes. |
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| 19:11.34 | eisen_ | Harley^: when it booted did alsa start up without errors? |
| 19:12.09 | Harley^ | eisen_: Yes. I restarted and there were no errors when it said ALSA loaded |
| 19:12.21 | eisen_ | Harley^: run alsamixer, see if you can adjust the volume/unmute channels |
| 19:12.53 | eisen_ | also make sure you are in the audio group |
| 19:13.55 | Harley^ | eisen_: hrmm. I don;t see a alsamixer in the menus nor did I see an "audio" group when I looked in groups and users |
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| 19:14.10 | Ny-Ty | i have problem |
| 19:14.18 | Ny-Ty | my computer has auto starting on 00:00 |
| 19:14.18 | eisen_ | Harley^: open up a terminal |
| 19:14.19 | Ny-Ty | :D |
| 19:14.22 | Ny-Ty | anyoe know why ? |
| 19:14.27 | Ny-Ty | i look into bios and nothing is here |
| 19:14.33 | Harley^ | eisen_: Yes. I have a terminal open |
| 19:14.34 | eisen_ | Harley^: type groups to check which groups you are in |
| 19:14.58 | Harley^ | harley dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 19:15.06 | eisen_ | Harley^: that's fine |
| 19:15.12 | eisen_ | Harley^: try alsamixer |
| 19:15.20 | eisen_ | it's a console app |
| 19:15.44 | Harley^ | alsamixer |
| 19:15.44 | Harley^ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:15.54 | Harley^ | yuck. that's not good |
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| 19:16.33 | Harley^ | Does synaptic have an alsamixer ? |
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| 19:16.53 | Harley^ | nope |
| 19:16.57 | Harley^ | ugh |
| 19:17.01 | eisen_ | Harley^: any mixer would do. |
| 19:17.02 | Polleke | Harley^, means alsa did not load anything for a soundcard. Fix that, there is nothign to mix yet |
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| 19:17.21 | eisen_ | Harley^: but it seems your default soundcard is not set |
| 19:17.46 | Skiver | what's the command to limit cpu usage of certain process? |
| 19:18.01 | eisen_ | Harley^: do you have devices in /dev/snd? |
| 19:18.03 | Harley^ | eisen_: OK. How would I set my default soundcard outside of alsoconf ? |
| 19:18.10 | Harley^ | lemme look |
| 19:18.51 | Harley^ | ls /dev/snd |
| 19:18.51 | Harley^ | ls: /dev/snd: No such file or directory |
| 19:19.44 | eisen_ | hm, so no modules loaded then |
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| 19:20.04 | Harley^ | yes. lsmod says there are now no modules |
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| 19:20.23 | Harley^ | before lsmod said modules were loaded |
| 19:20.52 | Decepticon | whats a global module in znc? |
| 19:21.15 | Decepticon | in the config of znc, znc --makeconf, i get asked Do you want to load any global modules? (yes/no): |
| 19:21.44 | Harley^ | eisen_: OK I re-ran alsaconf and now the modules are re-loaded |
| 19:22.09 | Skiver | hello what's the lowest possible process priority can be set ?? |
| 19:22.12 | eisen_ | Harley^: you probably have to unmute channels now |
| 19:22.37 | eisen_ | the devices in /dev/snd should be there then |
| 19:22.42 | Harley^ | alsamixer now runds |
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| 19:23.42 | anirban | Hi there is a application in Debian Etch called Update Manager |
| 19:23.47 | anirban | what it acctually to |
| 19:23.56 | anirban | manages the updating process |
| 19:23.57 | christopherl | anyone here using partimage? |
| 19:23.59 | windowsisevil | hey is the Gimp as nice as photoshop? it doesn't seem easy to make a drop shadow and stuff like that |
| 19:24.13 | streuner | christopherl: just ask |
| 19:24.20 | anirban | then why it is showing a little bit different package lists when I do apt-get upgrade |
| 19:24.34 | eisen_ | Harley^: you should be able to also start the gnome mixer now, if that's more to your liking. |
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| 19:25.16 | streuner | !ask |
| 19:25.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:25.19 | Harley^ | eisen_: There is still NO volume control on my pannel |
| 19:25.21 | infernix | what does 'dfsg' stand for? |
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| 19:25.32 | streuner | !dfsg |
| 19:25.33 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 19:25.45 | infernix | cheers. |
| 19:25.58 | eisen_ | Harley^: hm, can't you start it from the menu? (I don't use gnome though) |
| 19:26.09 | Harley^ | eisen_: You are correct. There are now devices in /dev/snd |
| 19:26.20 | streuner | Harley^: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 19:26.30 | streuner | Harley^: What does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 19:26.50 | Harley^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.50 | Harley^ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:26.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 19:27.04 | anirban | is there any apps to control the processes which will run when my system boots |
| 19:27.15 | Harley^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.15 | Harley^ | Linux version 2.6.18-3-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:04:37 CET 2006 |
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| 19:27.36 | streuner | anirban: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:27.38 | christopherl | streuner: I downloaded and booted systemrescue cd. I want to make a image of /dev/hda1. But in the process of making the image, it says the disk is full? |
| 19:27.54 | streuner | well :-) |
| 19:28.23 | christopherl | streuner: on my harddrive there is 27gb free |
| 19:28.30 | hackeron | I have a question about software raid - I have a couple of 1.5tb arrays and whenever I cause a kernel panic or anything to cause an array resync, the system takes 4-5 hours to boot - why does the resync make the kernel just wait there until it's complete? - anyway to change this behaviour? |
| 19:28.50 | streuner | crhistop: how about to tell partimage to create the backup elsewhere? |
| 19:28.55 | Harley^ | Ah... now I hjave sound |
| 19:28.58 | Harley^ | very good |
| 19:28.59 | eisen_ | Harley^: when you ran alsaconf it stopped alsa and any process using it got killed. That's probably why your mixer applet vanished. Try to readd it to the panel (right click?) |
| 19:29.42 | christopherl | streuner: how do I do that? I couldn't find any options in the menu for storing it elsewhere |
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| 19:29.53 | Harley^ | eisen_: When you say, "right click" where should I right click ? On the panel itself ? |
| 19:29.55 | streuner | look harder then |
| 19:30.01 | eisen_ | Harley^: probably |
| 19:30.23 | christopherl | streuner: is it on the main page? |
| 19:30.26 | streuner | christopherl: via folders |
| 19:30.26 | Owdgit | <anirban> BUM Boot Up Manager |
| 19:31.02 | streuner | christopherl: not partitions, just tell partimage to create backup on the free partition (/foo) |
| 19:31.30 | Harley^ | Interesting why I the volume control when missing. |
| 19:31.38 | streuner | christopherl: show us 'fdisk -l' in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 19:32.02 | anirban | thanks |
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| 19:33.01 | nixbox | how can i revert back the changes made by apt-get update? |
| 19:33.10 | ofer0 | nixbox, update or upgrade? |
| 19:33.15 | Bogus8 | does debian etch really default to runlevel 2 when it boots up (if you haven't configured it to do otherwise)? |
| 19:33.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:33.25 | streuner | Bogus8: yes |
| 19:33.32 | ofer0 | Bogus8, yeah, you can check it yourself. cat /etc/inittab | grep initdefault |
| 19:33.35 | abrotman | but in debian .. 2,3,4,5 are the same unless you make it otherwise |
| 19:33.35 | streuner | runlevel 2 is default in debian |
| 19:33.37 | Bogus8 | yeah, I did |
| 19:33.49 | christopherl | streuner: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5150 |
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| 19:34.12 | Bogus8 | I am thinking 3 is the usual runlevel for console..... isn't two reserved for something else? |
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| 19:34.27 | abrotman | Bogus8: leave it be .. it's just fine the way it is |
| 19:34.34 | streuner | christopherl: and 'df' tell you what? |
| 19:34.54 | Harley^ | eisen_: Thank you for your excellent help and guidance. Its very much appreciated. |
| 19:35.20 | eisen_ | Harley^: you are welcome |
| 19:35.25 | Bogus8 | abrotman: yeah, I looked at the different runlevels rc*.d and nothing is different on any of the other ones |
| 19:35.30 | streuner | christopherl: You cannot backup the whole partition, if you don't have the same amount of space elsewhere. |
| 19:35.30 | abrotman | but in debian .. 2,3,4,5 are the same unless you make it otherwise |
| 19:35.43 | abrotman | Bogus8: which is why i told you to leave it the way it is |
| 19:35.44 | hark | !runlevel |
| 19:35.45 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 19:36.01 | Harley^ | streuner: Thanks also for your help as well. |
| 19:36.36 | Bogus8 | abrotman: wasn't argueing... just other distros that I've used go to 3 for console |
| 19:36.45 | abrotman | i know .. |
| 19:36.47 | christopherl | streuner: ok it backups all 3,2 that I wanted + the 27gb free space |
| 19:36.50 | abrotman | i'm telling you how it is in debian :) |
| 19:36.57 | nixbox | ofer0, yeah sorry upgrade. |
| 19:37.17 | zorton | is there a list of compatable 802.11b cards? |
| 19:37.27 | nixbox | ofer0, if we "update" then upgrade is not done automatically right? |
| 19:37.40 | ofer0 | nixbox, no. |
| 19:37.41 | Bogus8 | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:37.54 | DukeDrake | a newbie's question: how do I login as a different user in an xterm? |
| 19:38.00 | ofer0 | nixbox, basically, you can remove the packages you have upgraded and install the old versions you have @ /var/cache/apt/. |
| 19:38.05 | ofer0 | DukeDrake, su user |
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| 19:38.09 | hark | su user |
| 19:38.26 | DukeDrake | cool =) |
| 19:38.30 | nixbox | ofer0, basically the kernel has been updated and i want to revert back to the previous kernel... |
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| 19:38.54 | ofer0 | nixbox, do you use etch ? |
| 19:38.56 | nixbox | ofer0, some drivers built with the previous kernel are causing problems with the newer version |
| 19:39.00 | nixbox | ofer0, no. |
| 19:39.10 | ofer0 | nixbox, sarge? |
| 19:39.32 | nixbox | ofer0, i am using kubuntu :P |
| 19:39.44 | ofer0 | nixbox, try #ubuntu |
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| 19:40.07 | ofer0 | I don't know about the nature of the upgrades there, and I really don't want to break your system. |
| 19:40.18 | nixbox | ofer0, ok thanks. |
| 19:40.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are there any amd64 debs for wine (win32)? |
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| 19:41.29 | duaneb__ | is there a channel for debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:42.07 | streuner | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about amd64 |
| 19:42.25 | duaneb__ | !tell duaneb__ about amd64 |
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| 19:43.14 | Decepticon | !tell me about me |
| 19:43.35 | Decepticon | ('dpkg) i dunno what is 'decepticon'. |
| 19:43.40 | Decepticon | you sure dont! |
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| 19:44.12 | streuner | well, if you going to abuse the bot another time, we get a little clue then :-) |
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| 19:46.31 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 19:46.31 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:46.40 | Xorm | hahahaha |
| 19:46.58 | streuner | We know abrotman already so need to do that ;-) |
| 19:47.03 | streuner | no* |
| 19:47.24 | Xorm | Still a nice ditty though. |
| 19:47.32 | Decepticon | this was funny: telling yourself: updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 19:47.34 | abrotman | it's a command too ... |
| 19:47.38 | Decepticon | thats tell me about sex |
| 19:48.14 | Harley^ | is xmms2 stable enough to use instead of xmms and will xmms2 play mp3 files from podcasts ? |
| 19:48.28 | Xorm | is it in stable? |
| 19:48.37 | streuner | Harley^: BTS should know... |
| 19:49.44 | justin | Harley^: why not just try it? |
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| 19:52.13 | anirban | how to play a video DVD in debian |
| 19:52.21 | anirban | mplayer is not workinf |
| 19:52.25 | anirban | mplayer is not working |
| 19:52.29 | HymnToLife | anirban, libdvdcss installed ? |
| 19:53.03 | streuner | anirban: what does 'ls -l /dev/dvd' say? |
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| 19:53.50 | streuner | anirban: i guess mplayer want /dev/dvd as well as xine... |
| 19:53.51 | anirban | yeah it is installed |
| 19:53.56 | bib | anirban, is that an ex-FAQ question? |
| 19:54.12 | anirban | I do not know |
| 19:54.20 | anirban | I am using debian for just 3 days |
| 19:54.26 | streuner | anirban: what does 'ls -l /dev/dvd' say? |
| 19:54.43 | anirban | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-01-22 01:18 /dev/dvd -> hdb |
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| 19:54.58 | bib | seems to be fine |
| 19:55.10 | anirban | it is running actually some dvd which my friend made |
| 19:55.22 | streuner | use another one |
| 19:55.24 | anirban | but not running some dvd I purchased in USA |
| 19:55.53 | anirban | I got an error *** libdvdread: CHECK_VALUE failed in ifo_read.c:1567 *** |
| 19:56.05 | justin | anirban: sure you have libdvdcss installed? |
| 19:56.24 | anirban | libdvdread3 is already the newest version. |
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| 19:56.30 | bib | does that DVD use the lastest CSS protection? |
| 19:56.35 | abrotman | that only works for some DVDs |
| 19:56.41 | anirban | yeah |
| 19:56.48 | anirban | I purchased it in 2005 |
| 19:56.59 | anirban | worked with other distro like SuSe 10.1 |
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| 19:57.55 | bib | did you try to rip it to your hdd under windows? |
| 19:58.38 | streuner | anirban: try xine |
| 19:58.46 | bib | xine? |
| 19:59.00 | ragnul | damn it |
| 19:59.01 | anirban | how about totem |
| 19:59.16 | rahul | frigging X server crashed becaues of software GL rendering |
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| 19:59.23 | bib | is there a lib called "libdecss2"? |
| 19:59.27 | abrotman | i blame ragnul! |
| 19:59.35 | abrotman | !decss |
| 19:59.35 | dpkg | from memory, decss is PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html |
| 19:59.49 | rahul | heh |
| 19:59.53 | streuner | anirban: and read http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236 |
| 20:00.04 | bib | hahaha |
| 20:00.27 | streuner | !tell Harley^ about bts |
| 20:00.43 | bib | bts? |
| 20:00.43 | Harley^ | ah,, thank you ! :) |
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| 20:01.30 | Harley^ | Ah very good |
| 20:01.32 | streuner | !bts |
| 20:01.32 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:01.42 | streuner | !topicsmite bib |
| 20:01.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon bib. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 20:02.28 | anirban | what is the package name for libdvdcss |
| 20:02.33 | streuner | anirban: if you add a user to the cdrom group, don't forget to lock out and back in... |
| 20:02.40 | streuner | libdvdcss? |
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| 20:03.15 | streuner | libdvdcss2 - Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime libraries |
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| 20:03.42 | anirban | so will apt-get install libdvdcss2 will do the job |
| 20:03.45 | rahul | in reportbug, if I look at a bug and then choose "x", that will attach another email to that bug, right? |
| 20:03.47 | bib | hehehe |
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| 20:04.05 | streuner | anirban: Why didn't you read the URL we gave you? |
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| 20:04.26 | anirban | okay |
| 20:04.39 | Harley^ | streuner: WOW ! BTS is VERY useful for me ! Many thanks |
| 20:05.14 | Dembug | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 |
| 20:05.19 | Dembug | ^ passwordless logins |
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| 20:06.32 | rahul | hmm, how do I insert the contents of a whole file into the file I'm editing in vim? |
| 20:07.06 | dellthinker | Im trying to restrict other users outside of root access from su |
| 20:07.14 | dellthinker | I read the article here: http://www.puschitz.com/SecuringLinux.shtml#RestrictingSuAccessToSystemAndSharedAccounts |
| 20:07.16 | Techdeck_ | y999999999y |
| 20:07.18 | Techdeck_ | :n filename |
| 20:07.20 | Techdeck_ | p |
| 20:07.20 | dellthinker | But its not working on my os |
| 20:07.22 | Techdeck_ | :p |
| 20:07.48 | Techdeck_ | that way might be a little funky, but it works last time I checked |
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| 20:07.57 | dellthinker | I've followed the instructions, but when i add the lines it says to it completely disables su from all users |
| 20:08.00 | dellthinker | Including root |
| 20:08.03 | dellthinker | Any ideas? |
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| 20:09.22 | rahul | Techdeck_: yeah, well :P |
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| 20:09.27 | Techdeck_ | rahul :p |
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| 20:10.06 | dellthinker | Anyone? |
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| 20:11.48 | Techdeck_ | rahul, does it work for you? |
| 20:12.54 | Dembug | sigh |
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| 20:13.02 | Dembug | someone should have directed dellthinker to #redhat ffs |
| 20:13.03 | Dembug | :D |
| 20:13.30 | JordiGH | What's the deal with dbus and dbus-1? I'm running into a dependency conflict between these two packages, and I can't tell which one of them I should keep. |
| 20:13.57 | rahul | Techdeck_: well, yeah... I was hoping for something more direct :P |
| 20:14.18 | Techdeck_ | rahul, when you find out, let me know |
| 20:14.39 | rahul | Techdeck_: yeah... I'm just used to what emacs provides... oh well |
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| 20:15.06 | Techdeck_ | emacs is evil |
| 20:15.09 | Techdeck_ | it consumes all |
| 20:15.10 | Techdeck_ | :p |
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| 20:15.28 | JordiGH | Dangnabit, Emacs consumed all back when 8 megs of RAM was a lot of RAM. |
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| 20:15.51 | JordiGH | Nowadays, everyone should learn how to use the default Emacs-like keys in bash. |
| 20:16.00 | rahul | eclipse usually takes about 2x the memory emacs does |
| 20:16.08 | rahul | and is about 10x slower |
| 20:16.19 | rahul | and does about 1/4 as much for you |
| 20:16.19 | JordiGH | !praise be unto emacs |
| 20:16.37 | evilgeek | something of a kernel question, but the sata_nv module is reporting seeing my disk while the kernel doesn't think the appropriate devices exist. what gives? |
| 20:16.38 | JordiGH | !praise emacs |
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| 20:22.18 | HymnToLife | !praise vi |
| 20:22.46 | JordiGH | dpkg is a chick? |
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| 20:23.18 | rahul | when she's having babies, she is |
| 20:23.21 | abrotman | JordiGH: dpkg is everything |
| 20:23.46 | hark_ | !gender |
| 20:23.46 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 20:23.59 | HymnToLife | !gender |
| 20:23.59 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 20:24.08 | HymnToLife | hmm |
| 20:24.08 | abrotman | !gender |
| 20:24.09 | hark_ | !gender |
| 20:24.09 | dpkg | I'm gay |
| 20:24.10 | abrotman | happy ? |
| 20:24.18 | streuner | !literal gender |
| 20:24.18 | dpkg | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
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| 20:24.43 | Hoxzer | <3 sexless |
| 20:24.44 | rahul | pregnant gender? |
| 20:24.49 | blondie | how are they genders? |
| 20:24.50 | Hoxzer | :D |
| 20:24.57 | nvz | yeah thats pretty stupid |
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| 20:25.14 | nvz | gay and lesbian have nothing to do with gender either.. |
| 20:25.23 | nvz | you can be gay regaurdless of gender |
| 20:25.45 | Harley^ | Wait ! Wait ! Wait ! Lemme run and get my polyester shirt with the huge collar from the 1970's before you ask the gender question again ! |
| 20:25.52 | nvz | the factoid is not called sexual preference |
| 20:25.58 | JordiGH | It doesn't matter if you're black, white, brown, yellow, pink or polka-dotted! It' what inside that counts! |
| 20:26.07 | nvz | heh |
| 20:26.08 | streuner | !blairsmite nvz |
| 20:26.24 | nvz | !yinzersmite streuner |
| 20:26.55 | pinks | Can anyone help with ppp please? I am connected and have local and remote IP's and DNS all showing in SYSlog, but I can not ping or browse |
| 20:27.14 | abrotman | does nslookup work ? |
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| 20:29.56 | shingouz | the balky thinkpad 600 works after all. the latest bios did not want to work, downgrade to the previous version did the trick, boots off an 80GB drive with no problems |
| 20:30.06 | JordiGH | can kopete do IRC? How? |
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| 20:30.45 | ice_cream | hi, in my menu.lst, i see entries for kernel 2.6.15-25-386 and its recovery mode, but it doesnt show up in "dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image" or aptitude (as installed)... is it safe to remove, or do i need to reboot and attempt to load it |
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| 20:31.01 | sista_jah | JordiGH: yeah I think yes |
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| 20:32.08 | sista_jah | JordiGH: in my opinion you can add a server and a chan |
| 20:32.08 | JordiGH | sista_jah: Add a server as a kopete contact? |
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| 20:32.34 | sista_jah | JordiGH: wait a minute , i look |
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| 20:33.11 | Bogus8 | where is /var/www configured for apache2? it obviously works out of there but I can't find where that is configed |
| 20:33.47 | Bogus8 | looked all through /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and found squant |
| 20:33.51 | JordiGH | Ah, found it. It's in the settings dialogues. |
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| 20:34.10 | sista_jah | JordiGH: setting > propriety> account > new |
| 20:34.23 | sista_jah | JordiGH: then you choose irc |
| 20:35.22 | JordiGH | Hm, I have a really erratic DSL connection. I wonder if my wiring is bad... |
| 20:35.27 | sista_jah | JordiGH: you can add your nick and choose a network |
| 20:35.30 | JordiGH | Is there a Debian way to test this theory_ |
| 20:35.36 | JordiGH | sista_jah: Thanks, I found it. :-) |
| 20:35.47 | sista_jah | JordiGH: ;) |
| 20:35.56 | nvz | yeah its calle apt-get install new wiring |
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| 20:36.24 | doublehp | Any one could tell me where to find floppy disks for Sparc ? I can only find ISO/CD images on http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-sparc/ Potato is no more on http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ and I did not keep floppy images. I dont want to build them manually. |
| 20:36.46 | JordiGH2 | Ooh, neato. |
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| 20:37.19 | JordiGH2 | I think I like this better than Xchat. |
| 20:37.47 | ice_cream | sry, what do you like better than xchat? |
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| 20:38.14 | ice_cream | lol |
| 20:38.14 | JordiGH | No, actually, I think I don't. |
| 20:38.23 | JordiGH | Kopete. |
| 20:38.39 | ice_cream | nothing is better than xchat =P |
| 20:38.47 | JordiGH | Kopete for IRC is a tad slow on my humble Sophia. |
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| 20:38.54 | JordiGH | Probably because it's a true KDE app. :P |
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| 20:39.04 | JordiGH | And it just crashed. :P |
| 20:39.25 | ice_cream | if someone gives you a /version does it crash? =P |
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| 20:39.33 | ice_cream | the coincidence was strange |
| 20:39.38 | ice_cream | i can try again i guess |
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| 20:39.53 | marco_ | ice_cream, xchat has tons of problems |
| 20:39.54 | ice_cream | ok, nvm, xchat this time ;) |
| 20:39.59 | marco_ | it's the best GUI IRC app |
| 20:40.06 | marco_ | for linux |
| 20:40.17 | ice_cream | marco_, where it=.... |
| 20:40.31 | JordiGH | I think I had already closed the kopete IRC connection when you /versioned me. |
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| 20:40.36 | marco_ | ice_cream, look two statements above that |
| 20:40.37 | marco_ | -_- |
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| 20:41.02 | user01 | how do i install fonts (type 1 and some otf) under gnome? |
| 20:41.06 | ice_cream | marco_, well it just seemed a bit strange, you saying it has tons of problems, then saying it's best gui |
| 20:41.07 | marco_ | xchat sucks less |
| 20:41.08 | JordiGH | marco: You said that Xchat is full of problems and the best for GNU/Linux. These two statements conflict under ordinary circumstances. |
| 20:41.15 | abrotman | not really |
| 20:41.20 | marco_ | JordiGH, not when it "sucks less" |
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| 20:41.28 | ice_cream | exactly, that's why i asked what it equaled +) |
| 20:41.29 | ice_cream | =) |
| 20:41.43 | JordiGH | So we have the extraordinary circumstance that every graphical IRC client sucks. :-) |
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| 20:41.53 | marco_ | JordiGH, :) |
| 20:41.54 | ice_cream | marco_, i've only run into xchat probs when i ran it under windows... |
| 20:41.56 | pinks01 | can anyone tell me how to get my gateway sorted? I'm trying to get ppp to connect and I get as far as collecting IP's and DNS's, but no ping or browsing |
| 20:42.08 | marco_ | ice_cream, it doesn't like uncommon chars |
| 20:42.20 | marco_ | and has problems with it, such as it considering two channels to actually be the same |
| 20:42.25 | marco_ | the results are quite humerous and confusing |
| 20:42.27 | abrotman | pinks01: try a trace .. see where it's going |
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| 20:42.39 | ice_cream | i'm sure they've fixed that by now.. |
| 20:42.43 | marco_ | ice_cream, nope |
| 20:42.43 | abrotman | marco_: i've never seen that .. at all |
| 20:43.02 | marco_ | abrotman, because most sane IRC channels don't have names that have obscure characters |
| 20:43.04 | abrotman | i mean .. ever |
| 20:43.05 | marco_ | ;-) |
| 20:43.12 | abrotman | marco_: that's your OS .. not xchat |
| 20:43.21 | ice_cream | i think i did see a weird result from a python script which used those << characters (those carrots condensed into one char) |
| 20:43.42 | doublehp | How to download or create boot net-install floppies for Debian ? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ch04s03.html.en says "Creating Floppies from Disk Images" but belongs to chapter "Obtaining System Installation Media" whats WRONG !!! chapter 4.3 only says how to write disks; neither how to create images nor doanload them !!! |
| 20:43.47 | JordiGH | ?? |
| 20:43.53 | ice_cream | but it mightve just been the python plugin |
| 20:43.58 | JordiGH | ?Is something wrong?? |
| 20:44.00 | abrotman | doublehp: dd |
| 20:44.41 | ice_cream | lss |
| 20:44.42 | ice_cream | ls* |
| 20:44.49 | doublehp | abrotman: false: the page says about dd, what is how to put content on media; now how to "create image" neither "obtaining media content" |
| 20:45.04 | abrotman | eh? |
| 20:45.10 | abrotman | they're on the ftp site |
| 20:45.14 | CharminTheMoose | why does sarge still have the 2.95 gcc compiler? |
| 20:45.14 | abrotman | !sarge bf |
| 20:45.15 | dpkg | i guess sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
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| 20:45.28 | doublehp | abrotman: 2 days I am running across it, and cant find the fd images |
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| 20:45.34 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 20:45.56 | abrotman | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-sparc/current/images/ |
| 20:46.16 | abrotman | and no .. i have no idea how you get a 3.6MB image on a 1.44MB floppy :) |
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| 20:46.56 | ramazan1 | slm |
| 20:46.58 | xingu | sparc has always been netboot as far as I recall |
| 20:47.00 | user01 | abrotman: use compression? |
| 20:47.01 | ramazan1 | slm |
| 20:47.04 | xingu | the kernel is bigger than a floopy. |
| 20:47.21 | doublehp | abrotman: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-sparc/current/images/ has no floppy subdir ... |
| 20:47.40 | doublehp | abrotman: oh ... that may be why I never could find them on us miror ... |
| 20:47.58 | abrotman | doublehp: for what it's worth .. many SPARC boxen don't have floppies IIRC |
| 20:48.08 | xingu | and those that do, you wish didn't |
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| 20:49.07 | doublehp | abrotman: my sparc dont have CD after 24 CONSECUTIVE hours trying to boot it, I give up; original reader cant open tray; additional one is not recognised; the prompt have problem probing SCSI, so, I wanna try FD. |
| 20:49.21 | abrotman | doublehp: use the netboot |
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| 20:49.24 | abrotman | !tftp |
| 20:49.24 | dpkg | from memory, tftp is the trivial file transfer protocol. an insecure file transfer protocol without authentification designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. |
| 20:49.28 | marco_ | btw, is it possible to make grub boot from a cd? |
| 20:49.36 | abrotman | marco_: IIRC .. yes |
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| 20:49.47 | xingu | "authentification" ? |
| 20:49.56 | marco_ | abrotman, how about if I use dd as such: dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sda4 |
| 20:50.04 | marco_ | I imagine grub can boot from that right? |
| 20:50.07 | abrotman | xingu: "Hey, give me that file, before i beat you up!" |
| 20:50.21 | abrotman | marco_: no idea what the ISO is |
| 20:50.32 | marco_ | abrotman, osx86 |
| 20:50.39 | abrotman | ask them .. not us |
| 20:50.45 | marco_ | heh |
| 20:50.53 | doublehp | abrotman: nver could setup servers to boot for IBM/Netvista or Alpha ... would a server for sun be easier ? I know tftp; but would sun use "ONLY" tftp and DHCP ? no need for extra conf server ? |
| 20:51.27 | xingu | depending on age they don't use dhcp at all - they can use rarp though. |
| 20:51.34 | abrotman | doublehp: i don't think so .. i've never gotten TFTP to work with the alphas |
| 20:52.57 | doublehp | abrotman: alpha require 3 different servers: NFS+tftp+ a third one before tftp to send network conf files. thats the one I could never get work on Linux/x86. But if you think Sun will only need tftp, it may work it. |
| 20:53.23 | mikecd | bootp maybe? |
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| 20:53.27 | abrotman | doublehp: it doens't require nfs |
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| 20:53.46 | xingu | the sparc will probably need tftp and rarp and might need bootparamd depending on what you're doing |
| 20:54.09 | justin | depends if you are booting linux on the sun, or solaris |
| 20:54.13 | mikecd | ah, this all takes me back |
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| 20:54.50 | anirban | Hi I just able to play my video dvd |
| 20:54.51 | andrew_p | hi |
| 20:54.53 | andrew_p | where is gzcat utility in debian testing? |
| 20:55.43 | justin | andrew_p: zcat |
| 20:55.43 | anirban | I did not installed the libdvdcss |
| 20:55.43 | doublehp | xingu: oh, it will need rarp .. yes I have seen that in the console; is it hard to set up ? is bootparamd also mandatory ? |
| 20:55.43 | anirban | hence getting the problem |
| 20:55.43 | anirban | thanks for the link |
| 20:55.44 | justin | anirban: hah |
| 20:55.47 | andrew_p | justin: thanks :) |
| 20:55.47 | mikecd | andrew_p: gzip I believe |
| 20:55.52 | anirban | Actually I did apt-cache search libdvdcss and it gives the packages name as libdvdread |
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| 20:56.00 | doublehp | xingu: justin I just want to install Linux on Netra1 what is Sun-4 |
| 20:56.07 | anirban | and when I checked for that package it was there |
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| 20:56.33 | justin | libdvdread optionally(usually) uses libdvdcss, they are separate packages |
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| 20:56.40 | xingu | doubleclick: you probably don't need bootparamd; rarp's pretty simple to set up, you just need to know the system's ethernet address |
| 20:56.43 | anirban | but when I read the description of this package I come to know that for decryption it needs libdvdcss |
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| 20:56.46 | justin | doublehp: stop-a, 'boot net' |
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| 20:57.15 | anirban | actually apt-cache confuesses me |
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| 20:57.20 | justin | anirban: yes.. I told you to install libdvdcss before |
| 20:57.21 | xingu | doubleclick: single flat file, from memory et:he:ra:dd:re:ss hostname |
| 20:57.26 | doublehp | justin: Timeout waiting for ARP/RARP packet |
| 20:57.31 | xingu | doubleclick: should be in the fine manual. |
| 20:57.40 | anirban | again since libdvdcss was not in Debian Official package I unable to find ir |
| 20:57.51 | abrotman | !tell anirban about marillat |
| 20:57.53 | anirban | But I though it is already installed |
| 20:58.07 | anirban | then did a little google |
| 20:58.23 | anirban | and get the url for unofficial debain repos |
| 20:58.25 | justin | anirban: you run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread.../examples/install.... and it installs it for you |
| 20:58.45 | anirban | from there I installed libdvdcss and now all things working fine |
| 20:58.47 | justin | er, no examples |
| 20:59.00 | justin | anirban: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian |
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| 20:59.11 | anirban | okay |
| 20:59.33 | anirban | any way thanks a lot |
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| 21:02.20 | eduhat | hey guys! |
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| 21:02.49 | blondie | WHY HELLO |
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| 21:04.43 | doublehp | justin: how do I get the MAC of the machine ? |
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| 21:05.17 | mikecd | should be able to somewhere in openboot |
| 21:05.30 | mikecd | If not, you can set up a tcpdump on the same network and see what comes across :) |
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| 21:05.57 | mikecd | Also I think it's printed on the back of the system somewhere... sorry but my memory of all of this is hazy |
| 21:06.14 | ice_cream | omg no..... |
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| 21:06.31 | ice_cream | wtf, my comp will probably shut down again |
| 21:07.02 | ice_cream | 94 degrees celsius!?!? wtf?! |
| 21:07.19 | eduhat | i need to get x working, i didnt choose the "Desktop Environment" because i figured i would do it from hand, i would like to use gnome as my windows manager. Can anyone help? |
| 21:07.30 | ice_cream | how do i limit cpu during compiles? |
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| 21:07.58 | ice_cream | or just limit it, do a task, then change it back to full speed? |
| 21:08.03 | abrotman | i'd fix your fan |
| 21:08.24 | ice_cream | yea, there was a bit of dust on it, i guess |
| 21:08.32 | ice_cream | but to take it apart now would require too much work |
| 21:08.55 | ice_cream | i'd have to take out the screen, the keyboard, a few other random things... |
| 21:08.56 | abrotman | guess you'll just have to wait for the next shut down .. should be soon |
| 21:09.17 | abrotman | rahul: stop playing games! |
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| 21:09.28 | rahul | poo |
| 21:09.42 | eduhat | can someone help me? i need to download and install an x server |
| 21:09.46 | rahul | frigging linksys router keeps changing the IP it gives me via dhcp |
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| 21:10.03 | hendry | is there like a WinSCP for Debian? |
| 21:10.13 | hark | eduhat: install x-window-system-core |
| 21:10.19 | Xorm | ...scp? |
| 21:10.25 | hendry | Xorm: need a GUI |
| 21:10.28 | Xorm | ah |
| 21:10.35 | Xorm | why do you need a gui? =| |
| 21:10.38 | eduhat | hark: allright, its installing now |
| 21:10.50 | Xorm | I don't know of one, but I'm just curious |
| 21:10.51 | ice_cream | bah, gui =/ |
| 21:11.13 | stew | hendry: putty maybe? |
| 21:11.14 | Xorm | I always found the scp command line not to be real complicated |
| 21:11.15 | Chrom_ | hendry: are you under KDE? |
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| 21:11.25 | hendry | Chrom_: Gnome |
| 21:11.38 | Xorm | stew, I don't think puTTY has scp... |
| 21:11.42 | Xorm | It has an SSH |
| 21:11.44 | stew | Xorm: it has pscp |
| 21:11.47 | Xorm | oooh |
| 21:11.48 | Xorm | right |
| 21:11.50 | Chrom_ | ahh too bad, under KDE you could use the fish protocol, which is just what you need |
| 21:11.59 | Xorm | but that's just scp compiled for windows |
| 21:12.06 | stew | Xorm: and for debian |
| 21:12.08 | ice_cream | bah, >90 degrees for a while now =/ |
| 21:12.15 | Xorm | but it's still command line, right? |
| 21:12.15 | ice_cream | i can almost boil water |
| 21:12.19 | stew | Xorm: i don't know |
| 21:12.23 | Xorm | It is. |
| 21:12.47 | Xorm | I've used it. |
| 21:12.48 | Xorm | Unless it's changed, it's still commandline. |
| 21:12.48 | stew | !info secpanel |
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| 21:12.48 | cappiz_ | stew, correct syntax is !addinfo <release> <files> <size_in_mb>, fix your script |
| 21:12.53 | stew | cappiz_: owner |
| 21:12.55 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 21:12.59 | stew | !list |
| 21:12.59 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to stew |
| 21:13.04 | Xorm | oooh. |
| 21:13.05 | drbair | is it possible to write plugins for dpkg? |
| 21:13.10 | stew | hendry: maybe secpanel |
| 21:13.19 | stew | cappiz_: what are you |
| 21:13.22 | stew | !what are you |
| 21:13.23 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:13.32 | abrotman | !google blah |
| 21:13.34 | Jimmymaniac | Results for blah on Google: |
| 21:13.35 | Jimmymaniac | -- |
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| 21:13.42 | abrotman | kill them all! |
| 21:13.46 | ice_cream | can't you also just share a directory in windows, then mount it in linux instead of using scp? |
| 21:13.52 | twobitsprite | what is the format for -geometry for most x programs? |
| 21:14.06 | hendry | hmm, been told about filezilla |
| 21:14.23 | abrotman | hendry: nautilus and konqueror should both do it |
| 21:14.29 | ice_cream | geometry 68x18 (widthxheight) |
| 21:14.35 | stew | Jimmymaniac: owner |
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| 21:14.58 | eduhat | hark: allright, its done installing, what next? |
| 21:15.00 | abrotman | stew: kill them all! |
| 21:15.07 | ice_cream | twobitsprite, from my .Xresources: URxvt*geometry: 68x18 |
| 21:15.23 | hark | eduhat: what do you want to install? |
| 21:15.29 | eduhat | hark: fluxbox |
| 21:15.33 | lilferry | anyone running knoppix? |
| 21:15.38 | stew | lilferry: try #knoppix |
| 21:15.39 | eduhat | hark: apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 21:15.45 | abrotman | lilferry: in #knoppix oddly |
| 21:15.51 | ice_cream | eduhat, er... i'd go w/ compiling fluxbox from source |
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| 21:16.03 | abrotman | ice_cream: please don't do that |
| 21:16.04 | eduhat | ice_cream: why is that? |
| 21:16.05 | hark | eduhat: yes, apt-cache search fluxbox for anything else |
| 21:16.06 | twobitsprite | ice_cream: right, but I though you could specify position as well? |
| 21:16.07 | ice_cream | what vers do they offer? |
| 21:16.46 | hark | eduhat: you might also want a dm, so install that as well. |
| 21:16.50 | ice_cream | well, idk, i just prefer bleeding edge |
| 21:17.00 | abrotman | tried gentoo ? |
| 21:17.01 | craigevil | fluxbox 0.9.14-1.2 0 is the latest is Sid anyway |
| 21:17.16 | eduhat | hark: a download manager? |
| 21:17.22 | hark | !dm |
| 21:17.22 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | eduhat: Desktop Manager |
| 21:17.24 | ice_cream | abrotman, yea, and will try again when i can spare many hours straight |
| 21:17.28 | abrotman | erm .. Display :) |
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| 21:17.43 | abrotman | ice_cream: until then .. try not to have other people compile stuff for no good reason |
| 21:17.45 | eduhat | oh okay, i'll use gnome in that case |
| 21:17.56 | abrotman | eduhat: apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
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| 21:18.07 | badbugs | and xorg |
| 21:18.19 | abrotman | badbugs: x-window-system will pull xorg on etch/sid |
| 21:18.19 | eduhat | abrotman: what is the x-window-system thing? |
| 21:18.23 | abrotman | eduhat: X |
| 21:18.25 | ice_cream | twobitsprite, ok, from my fluxbox startup: "urxvt -geometry 68x18+145+100 &" |
| 21:18.26 | badbugs | Ah ok sorry |
| 21:18.28 | eduhat | oh |
| 21:18.32 | eduhat | im running sarge |
| 21:18.42 | abrotman | eduhat: that's fine .. gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 21:18.44 | badbugs | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:18.46 | maxdoubt | could i get a little help with firestarter? is there a way to setup the local lan to masq between two NICs? I have 2 cards on my local network (wired, wireless) |
| 21:18.53 | ice_cream | i believe 145 is units to the right of top-left corner, and 100 units down |
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| 21:19.01 | abrotman | really .. apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 21:19.05 | twobitsprite | ice_cream: ahh ha, thanks :) |
| 21:19.11 | ice_cream | twobitsprite, so that would start my terminal in a certain position on startup hehe =) |
| 21:19.12 | hark | eduhat: you already installed X with the metapackage |
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| 21:19.38 | hark | eduhat: aptitude install fluxbox gdm |
| 21:19.48 | abrotman | didn't he say he wanted gnome ? |
| 21:19.52 | eduhat | brb, gunna reboot |
| 21:20.07 | Miesco | How do you make rxvt go full screen? |
| 21:20.16 | ice_cream | abrotman, are you afraid of compiling on a package-based distro? |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | ice_cream: no .. but you didn't tell him about stow or checkinstall or backports.org or simple sid backport ... |
| 21:20.36 | hark | guess he changed his mind :) |
| 21:20.45 | abrotman | ice_cream: you're just doing it the silly way :) |
| 21:20.46 | craigevil | there is no reason to compile when a simple aptitude install foo will install the needed packages |
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| 21:21.27 | ice_cream | well i havent checked recently, but before when i cared, fluxbox was badly outdated as a package |
| 21:21.35 | abrotman | so what ? did he has for newer features ? |
| 21:21.41 | abrotman | !info fluxbox sid |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | !info fluxbox sarge |
| 21:21.45 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.14-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 753 kB, Installed size: 2340 kB |
| 21:21.46 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.11-1sarge0 (sarge), Packaged size: 646 kB, Installed size: 2036 kB |
| 21:21.55 | ice_cream | yea... the preferred is 1.0rc2 |
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| 21:22.19 | abrotman | so what are the differences between 9.14 and 1.0rc2 ? |
| 21:22.23 | abrotman | erm .. 0.9.12 |
| 21:22.40 | ice_cream | lot of changes, including introduction of overlay file |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | erm .. 0.9.14 :) |
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| 21:22.48 | ice_cream | can control themes better |
| 21:22.59 | abrotman | ice_cream: golly .. that's certainly worth compiling |
| 21:23.05 | ice_cream | but nobody on #fluxbox would really aid him if he had probs |
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| 21:23.22 | abrotman | i'm sure they would |
| 21:23.27 | ice_cream | i'm not the fluxbox expert, i just use it |
| 21:23.36 | ice_cream | no, they wouldnt =) |
| 21:23.41 | hark | that's unlikely |
| 21:23.41 | abrotman | i used blackbox before fluxbox even existed .. it's not a complicated WM |
| 21:23.44 | ice_cream | "upgrade, and we'll help you" |
| 21:23.46 | abrotman | ice_cream: i bet they will |
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| 21:24.07 | dexemna | On my Apache server if I navigate to .php files in a web browser it just shows the PHP code as text instead of formatting it. |
| 21:24.17 | ice_cream | but then again, i was messing w/ themes... |
| 21:24.17 | dexemna | How do I enable the PHP Apache module? |
| 21:24.31 | abrotman | dexemna: which version of apache ? and of debian? |
| 21:24.40 | twobitsprite | abrotman: #fluxbox people do tend to be a bit rude |
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| 21:24.47 | abrotman | twobitsp2ite: fuck them then |
| 21:24.49 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:24.51 | ice_cream | lol |
| 21:25.02 | abrotman | no wonder noone uses fluxbox anymore |
| 21:25.06 | ice_cream | .... |
| 21:25.06 | HymnToLife | dexemna, check your /etc/apache2/mods-enableds |
| 21:25.10 | HymnToLife | enabled* |
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| 21:25.15 | ice_cream | yes!! |
| 21:25.17 | HymnToLife | see if php is in there |
| 21:25.18 | twobitsprite | :) |
| 21:25.21 | abrotman | dexemna: ? |
| 21:25.21 | stew | the fluxbox package maintainer provides the rc version on his people.d.o page if people really want that |
| 21:25.23 | eduhat | allright, well i got x working with fluxbox it's just that my res is at like the lowest, not even 800x600 i would like it to be 1024x768... how can i do thiis? |
| 21:25.27 | `ns` | who doesn't use fluxbox ?? |
| 21:25.29 | Miesco | Can you make rxvt go full screen? |
| 21:25.33 | stew | !drxx eduhat |
| 21:25.33 | dpkg | eduhat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:25.36 | stew | Miesco: i can |
| 21:25.48 | dexemna | abrotman: Apach 1.3.37 on stable |
| 21:25.57 | abrotman | dexemna: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 21:25.58 | hark | eduhat: why reboot? |
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| 21:26.12 | Miesco | stew: How? |
| 21:26.45 | stew | Miesco: that would be something that is very window manager dependent |
| 21:26.57 | Miesco | stew: What window manager do you use? |
| 21:27.01 | twobitsprite | eduhat: you need to mess with your XF86Config/xorg.conf |
| 21:27.12 | abrotman | twobitsp2ite: XF86Config-4 |
| 21:27.13 | stew | Miesco: wmii-3, ion3, and ratpoison |
| 21:27.38 | eduhat | hark: i didnt mean reboot, i had to start x so i exited irssi, anyways i did the dpkg-reconfigure and all that and i selected 800x600 and 1024x768 so why is it still at like 640xwhatever? |
| 21:27.51 | abrotman | eduhat: what video card did you pick ? |
| 21:28.35 | eduhat | abrotman: i dont know what video card is in this. this computer is really old. i think i remeber it being something about Generic, and i picked vesa for the video driver |
| 21:28.43 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 21:28.50 | abrotman | eduhat: vesa only lets you do 800x600 |
| 21:29.07 | eduhat | oh, i need1024x768 |
| 21:29.10 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
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| 21:29.46 | eduhat | its a Intel Chipset Graphics Controller |
| 21:29.50 | abrotman | hark: help me with my wireless! |
| 21:29.54 | ice_cream | 100 degrees =/ |
| 21:29.57 | abrotman | eduhat: i wanted to know what it actually was :) |
| 21:29.57 | `ns` | eduhat, if you want to cheat a bit and have a 'run from cd' linux disk of some kind .... just run it and save the config file onto your hard drive |
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| 21:30.06 | snowbird | hee hee i got wireless |
| 21:30.10 | hark | abrotman: sshhhhh! |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | ice_cream: see .. that's why you don't compile .. you're helping global warming! |
| 21:30.38 | eduhat | abrotman: so what am i looking for? |
| 21:30.41 | `ns` | help prevent global warming, don't run Gentoo ???? |
| 21:30.44 | ice_cream | yea =/ i've been out of touch with my linux side for a bit... i need an i8k fan utility or something now =/ |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | eduhat: just show us |
| 21:30.54 | RvGaTe | For some reason i am unable to do a shutdown from the quit menu... (where you get logout, restart, shutdown)... it gives me a password prompt, i enter the root password, saying that the password is invalid or im not able to shutdown... |
| 21:31.22 | Miesco | stew: Is there a way to get wmii to run in display :1? |
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| 21:31.35 | snowbird | - 80 here today artic winds |
| 21:31.49 | eduhat | abrotman: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 21:32.08 | abrotman | !drxx eduhat |
| 21:32.08 | dpkg | eduhat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:32.11 | abrotman | eduhat: choose i810 |
| 21:32.17 | abrotman | and ONE resolution |
| 21:32.24 | ice_cream | abrotman, how about gvidm? |
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| 21:32.43 | abrotman | ice_cream: for what ? |
| 21:32.58 | ice_cream | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.58 | ice_cream | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.09 | abrotman | it confuses newbs :) |
| 21:33.23 | abrotman | i swear it does :) |
| 21:33.27 | Miesco | stew: What display manager do you use? |
| 21:34.01 | ice_cream | bah, this is bad; i'm holding a cool water bottle to the bottom of my laptop |
| 21:34.07 | eduhat | abrotman: allright |
| 21:34.22 | blondie | ice_cream: aren't you cold enough already? |
| 21:34.35 | abrotman | he's melting@! |
| 21:34.39 | hark | heh |
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| 21:34.44 | blondie | ah |
| 21:34.44 | ice_cream | blondie, but my computer is too hot :*( |
| 21:34.50 | blondie | hug it |
| 21:34.54 | blondie | but don't melt |
| 21:35.04 | ice_cream | i'll try |
| 21:35.09 | eduhat | allright brb abrotman |
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| 21:35.30 | ice_cream | eduhat has been funny so far, eh abrotman |
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| 21:35.41 | abrotman | he normally is |
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| 21:36.33 | abrotman | better ? |
| 21:36.37 | eduhat | abrotman: still 640x480 |
| 21:36.44 | abrotman | how many resolutions did you pick ? |
| 21:36.46 | twobitsprite | ice_cream: in the fluxbox ~/.fluxbox/apps file, do you know if the application name part of an [app] directive refers to the registered name, or the command that was executed? |
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| 21:37.25 | abrotman | eduhat: look in your X log .. make sure it's using i810 |
| 21:37.30 | stew | Miesco: xdm |
| 21:37.38 | ice_cream | twobitsprite, hmm, don't have an apps file there |
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| 21:37.47 | eduhat | abrotman: where would i find that? |
| 21:37.55 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 21:38.08 | Miesco | stew: Do you know how to select which display to use with xdm? |
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| 21:39.38 | Miesco | stew: I think its in /etc/X11/xdm/Xserver... |
| 21:40.02 | n3kl_ | Does anyone know what package contains the mail binary? |
| 21:40.14 | abrotman | !tell n3kl_ about search |
| 21:40.20 | abrotman | !find bin/mail$ sarge |
| 21:40.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (2): (/usr/bin/mail) in mail/mailutils,mail/mailx ;; (/usr/share/linpac/bin/mail) in hamradio/linpac. |
| 21:40.31 | stew | Miesco: i dunno, i'd look in /etc/X11/xdm |
| 21:41.07 | eduhat | abrotman: yes it is |
| 21:41.28 | abrotman | eduhat: any other warnings or errors ? |
| 21:41.57 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:41.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:41.59 | eduhat | abrotman: i didnt see any |
| 21:41.59 | n3kl_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:43.22 | ice_cream | btw, are there a lot of gentoo-haters here? |
| 21:43.51 | abrotman | mostly just fluxbox haters |
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| 21:44.22 | snowbird | debian is best os for me |
| 21:44.23 | eduhat | abrotman: i didnt see and any errors or warnings |
| 21:44.25 | ice_cream | yes!!! it dropped below 90 degrees! |
| 21:44.31 | rahul | In Soviet Russian, Gentoo hates you! |
| 21:44.35 | ice_cream | i spoke too soon |
| 21:44.40 | abrotman | eduhat: paste the whole log |
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| 21:44.43 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:44.44 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:44.46 | rahul | s/an/a/ :\ |
| 21:44.53 | eduhat | abrotman: i cant use the mouse... |
| 21:44.53 | hark | !greenhouse |
| 21:44.53 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 21:45.06 | ice_cream | rahul, what do you know about soviet russia =) |
| 21:45.07 | abrotman | !tell eduhat about pastewithoutx |
| 21:45.16 | Miesco | stew: How do you select what windows manager to use in xdm? |
| 21:45.20 | rahul | I own the KGB! :P |
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| 21:46.07 | Gnu_Raiz | ,dpkg etch release date |
| 21:46.16 | abrotman | WIR |
| 21:46.21 | abrotman | SIYH |
| 21:46.50 | rahul | HAND |
| 21:47.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't, no matter how I twist and turn it, seem to compile wine (both stable and git) on Etch AMD64 |
| 21:47.32 | abrotman | did you try asking #winehq ? |
| 21:47.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got all the 32-bit libs I could find installed |
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| 21:47.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Yes |
| 21:47.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | And in #debian-amd64 |
| 21:47.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | And some other channels too |
| 21:47.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nobody has a single clue |
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| 21:48.08 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 21:48.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | This error keeps showing up no matter what I do: http://pastebin.ca/323949 |
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| 21:48.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I asked here earlier, several times |
| 21:48.32 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i can't be here *all* the time |
| 21:48.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Well, that pastebin post shows the error |
| 21:48.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I'm not saying you can |
| 21:49.01 | abrotman | ldexter: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf64-x86-64 (/usr/lib/libsicuuc.a(ubidi.ao)) to format elf32-i386 (gdi32.4Sjtjp.o) is not supported |
| 21:49.02 | solemnwarning | Out of RSA and DSA which is better to use for an SSH public/private key pair? |
| 21:49.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | I wish they provided 64-bit Wine packages... |
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| 21:49.07 | abrotman | ldexter: sorry |
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| 21:49.18 | ubinsp | hello people |
| 21:49.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | (As in, 64-bit wine that runs win32 apps) |
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| 21:49.55 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: it tells you exactly why |
| 21:50.00 | garotosopa | what's a good permission for me to edit web pages, apache to read but nobody else access it? user: myself / group: www-data / 0640 ? |
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| 21:50.08 | eduhat | !paste |
| 21:50.08 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:50.46 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 21:51.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Problem is, I don't understand it |
| 21:51.19 | Miesco | I got xdm to run in display :1, how do I make it use wmii instead of gnome? |
| 21:51.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't speak GCC |
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| 21:51.33 | eduhat | i dont get the whole mouse in console thing... its not working for me |
| 21:51.42 | ubinsp | How Can I do to launch a script, at the boot of my system, before the logging screen, to prompt for the command as root : mount /media/sda8 ? |
| 21:51.43 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: sounds like it's trying to link a 32bit app with 64bit libs or something .. i'm not sure why #winehq doesn't understand .. maybe ask #gcc |
| 21:51.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | eduhat: apt-get install gpm |
| 21:51.53 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: and show them that error |
| 21:52.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 21:52.15 | eduhat | Dark_Apostrophe: i did that... and my mouse only stays on the top line |
| 21:52.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | eduhat: Configure it properly? |
| 21:52.27 | tiolxpe | is there a way to determine if there are any drivers that have not been detected by debian or that may be incorrect. Everything seems to be working fine just curious |
| 21:52.38 | eduhat | Dark_Apostrophe: i havnt touched the config |
| 21:52.42 | craigevil | eduhat: did you start gpm after installing it? /etc/init.d/gpm start |
| 21:53.33 | eduhat | craigevil: yes |
| 21:53.39 | eduhat | it just stays on the top line |
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| 21:56.18 | phaedral | #debian, and dpkg in particular, continue to rock; thanks for keeping the bot up to date! |
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| 21:56.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: No reply in #gcc |
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| 21:56.42 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: be patient |
| 21:56.45 | scotti_ | hello, i'm looking for a usb stick with a fingerprint reader which works with linux. is anyone using one successfuly? |
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| 21:58.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: It's 23:00. I've got another half hour before I gotta go to bed, got school tomorrow. I don't have much time to wait... |
| 21:58.31 | abrotman | scotti_: i didn't even know they made those :) |
| 21:58.51 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe show it to #debian-amd64 again .. but i really think you've done something wrong |
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| 21:59.53 | abrotman | dan2: how's it looking ? |
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| 22:01.11 | hagabaka | is there a way to list multiple versions of a package from multiple repositories, if they exist? |
| 22:01.43 | pipeline | apt-cache show will show all available versions |
| 22:02.08 | abrotman | apt-cache policy |
| 22:02.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: There's only one active guy in there |
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| 22:02.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: And he's as puzzled as I am |
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| 22:03.01 | hagabaka | ah |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i think you're going to have to wait for #gcc unfortunately |
| 22:03.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 22:03.49 | hagabaka | can i tell apt to prefer packages from one repository, even if it's less updated? |
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| 22:03.58 | abrotman | !tell hagabaka about pinning |
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| 22:04.17 | hagabaka | thanks |
| 22:05.02 | dezent | pinning :( |
| 22:05.17 | dezent | i think it is teh sux |
| 22:05.28 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 22:05.35 | Kuko | just curious, What kind of bot is dpkg |
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| 22:05.42 | ofer0 | !tell me about pinning |
| 22:05.44 | dezent | abrotman: offcourse not |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 22:05.45 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 22:05.57 | pinks02 | Can anyone tell me how to get ppp sorted? I'm trying to get ppp to connect and I get as far as collecting IP's and DNS's, but no ping or browsing |
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| 22:06.15 | abrotman | traceroute www.yahoo.com |
| 22:06.18 | blahdeblah | pinks02: Do you have a firewall configured |
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| 22:06.24 | hagabaka | what if both repositories are labeled "edgy"? |
| 22:06.33 | abrotman | hagabaka: then you would ask #ubuntu |
| 22:06.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: A single reply in #gcc. [22:05] <noshadow> Dark_Apostrophe: that looks like some 64 bit library get pulled into the 32 bit stuff. |
| 22:06.43 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Beat me to it! :-) |
| 22:06.44 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i said that! |
| 22:06.46 | pinks02 | blahdeblah: not that I know of |
| 22:06.55 | hagabaka | what if both are labeld "foo" then? |
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| 22:07.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: But it doesn't bring me any closer to a solution. :) |
| 22:07.03 | abrotman | hagabaka: you'd ask #ubuntu .. |
| 22:07.11 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: chroot time! |
| 22:07.11 | hagabaka | why is that? |
| 22:07.14 | rahul | hagabaka: find some other way to distinguish. ask #ubuntu what that way is. |
| 22:07.16 | cole | hello |
| 22:07.19 | Kuko | Okay does anyone know of a decent bot that isnt horrible hard to use? |
| 22:07.20 | pinks02 | I have entries in hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 22:07.21 | abrotman | hagabaka: because it's not about debian .. |
| 22:07.24 | blahdeblah | hagabaga: There are no Debian releases called foo. :-) |
| 22:07.33 | hagabaka | they're not ubuntu repositories either... |
| 22:07.37 | rahul | hagabaka: we didn't name them or set them up. we don't know what to use to distinguish them. |
| 22:07.41 | abrotman | hagabaka: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 22:07.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: If I'm forced to make a chroot jail, my desk will get a hole from my constant head bashing. |
| 22:07.48 | hagabaka | one if from http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt |
| 22:07.50 | blahdeblah | pinks02: Try taking them out temporarily |
| 22:07.56 | rahul | hagabaka: then ask whoever made the repos. |
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| 22:08.05 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: hehe |
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| 22:08.12 | pinks02 | blahdeblah: ok - -- brb |
| 22:08.23 | hagabaka | well they didn't make apt. so your answer is in this situation i can't distinguish between them? |
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| 22:08.39 | abrotman | hagabaka: please ask #ubuntu .. you're using Ubuntu .. use their support channel |
| 22:08.44 | humblerodent | I know THIS IS NOT #ubuntu, but my problem is sort of debian-related, so maybe someone can give me some help. |
| 22:08.54 | hagabaka | i really think this is more apt than ubuntu related |
| 22:09.07 | pipeline | "sort of" won't do |
| 22:09.09 | abrotman | hagabaka: and you got your apt from Ubuntu .. not Debian .. ask #ubuntu |
| 22:09.10 | pipeline | install debian and come back |
| 22:09.15 | pipeline | we'll even help you install debian |
| 22:09.22 | pipeline | Ubuntu, however, is very much not our problem. |
| 22:09.31 | blahdeblah | Does anyone know what it takes to get iceweasel working on etch? The upgrade to the non-trademark version borked all my menu items, strings, everything. |
| 22:09.40 | cole | how do i turn a tar.bz2 into a deb package? |
| 22:09.45 | pipeline | blahdeblah: That's normal. Delete your profile. |
| 22:09.47 | humblerodent | On a fresh Edgy install, any attempt to install/configure software packages using dpkg or apt-get results in a hard system crash (nothing responds whatsoever, and a cold system turn-off/reboot is required). It works perfectly fine as long as I don't install/configure any software packages. Can anyone help me? TIA |
| 22:09.49 | Kuko | whats the properway of running a .py file? |
| 22:09.53 | abrotman | !tell cole about mg |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | humblerodent: please ask #ubuntu |
| 22:10.00 | pipeline | blahdeblah: Pretty much every new firefox version breaks everything. Just rm -rf ~/.mozilla, ~/.firefox etc |
| 22:10.06 | blahdeblah | pipeline: Is there any way i can do it without deleting my profile? |
| 22:10.12 | pipeline | blahdeblah: 99% of the time, no. |
| 22:10.14 | craigevil | create a new profile |
| 22:10.18 | blahdeblah | I have a lot of important bookmarks, history, passwords, etc. |
| 22:10.18 | pipeline | blahdeblah: firefox just sucks that way. Get used to it. |
| 22:10.42 | craigevil | blahdeblah: create a new profile and transfer over your bookmarks, passwords etc |
| 22:10.44 | pipeline | blahdeblah: You can export your old bookmarks if you install the old firefox. The rest of it, well, kill it goodbye. |
| 22:10.50 | abrotman | there's a command to do that IIRC |
| 22:10.56 | blahdeblah | pipeline: That's not even an option. |
| 22:11.03 | blahdeblah | I'll try craigevil's suggestion |
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| 22:11.20 | craigevil | actually try deleting the localstore.rdf first then restart iceweasel |
| 22:11.30 | blahdeblah | craigevil: Thanks |
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| 22:12.32 | blahdeblah | pipeline: BTW, i've never had a problem with backwards compatibility from Netscape 4.x -> Mozilla 1.x -> Firefox 1.0 -> 1.5. |
| 22:12.39 | pipeline | blahdeblah: You've been lucky. |
| 22:12.49 | abrotman | i've never had a problem either ... |
| 22:12.55 | Miesco | Can you run GDM on two displays? |
| 22:13.00 | abrotman | oh wait .. i don't use FF :) |
| 22:13.01 | blahdeblah | abrotman: ;-) |
| 22:13.06 | pipeline | Miesco: Yup. |
| 22:13.14 | Miesco | pipeline: How, been trying for hours |
| 22:13.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: you're the weakest link! |
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| 22:13.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: we've known this for years |
| 22:13.26 | blahdeblah | abrotman: What *do* you use, out of curiosity? |
| 22:13.33 | abrotman | blahdeblah: opera or epiphany |
| 22:13.38 | pipeline | Miesco: Add both to the [servers] section. |
| 22:13.51 | Miesco | pipeline: I put 0=Standard, and 1=Standard... |
| 22:14.02 | pipeline | Miesco: They're not both standard displays, though, are they? :P |
| 22:14.11 | Miesco | pipeline: No :( |
| 22:14.12 | pipeline | Miesco: You are going to want to start one of them with a different configuration... |
| 22:14.12 | abrotman | blahdeblah: why ? |
| 22:14.35 | cole | can someone change a package from tar.z to deb i know nothing about linux and i am a complete noob |
| 22:14.40 | pipeline | Miesco: Look at the defaults.conf to figure out how to do things differently. Alternatively, use xdm and follow a tutorial on the internet. |
| 22:14.41 | abrotman | !tell cole about mg |
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| 22:15.00 | pipeline | cole: Then you're pretty screwed. "checkinstall" will create a sort-of debian package. No dependency data, but at least it makes it easy to uninstall. |
| 22:15.00 | Miesco | pipeline: I tried using xdm also |
| 22:15.11 | abrotman | pipeline: or stow! |
| 22:15.11 | Miesco | pipeline: I cant find a tutorial |
| 22:15.16 | pipeline | abrotman: stow? |
| 22:15.48 | pinks | blahdeblah: that didn't work |
| 22:15.58 | Miesco | pipeline: Where is the defaults.conf file? |
| 22:16.16 | cole | fuck you, you were no help at all |
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| 22:16.20 | pipeline | Miesco: With xdm, it's pretty easy. You can just add the exact command line you want to the Xservers file... |
| 22:16.25 | abrotman | yeah .. i only told him twice |
| 22:16.28 | pipeline | Miesco: Getting two servers to run side by side is the hard part |
| 22:16.29 | abrotman | !stow |
| 22:16.29 | dpkg | somebody said stow was a nifty program used to manage /usr/local/ hierarchy -- it keeps all programs seperate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game |
| 22:16.31 | pinks | blahdeblah: I think it's a route/gateway problem, but I'm a newbie and can't work out what's going on |
| 22:16.32 | blahdeblah | abrotman: I guess i just don't trust a proprietary browser (especially given the recent debacle where they downplayed a security vulnerability), and epiphany was (last i checked) Mozilla with all the good bits taken out. |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | blahdeblah: they're not hte only ones |
| 22:16.45 | pipeline | abrotman: I think I prefer checkinstall's wonky .debs :P |
| 22:16.50 | pipeline | abrotman: mmm dpkg -L and apt-file :) |
| 22:16.55 | blahdeblah | abrotman: true |
| 22:16.59 | abrotman | blahdeblah: i like epiphany .. i only want a browser .. having a pile of plugins is useless to me |
| 22:17.18 | pipeline | abrotman: I'm still using galeon. Epiphany needs too many "extensions" to reach feature parity with galeon. |
| 22:17.26 | blahdeblah | I just hate the "GNOME way is the only way" attitude... |
| 22:17.33 | abrotman | pipeline: i only needed the ctrl-tab plugin :) |
| 22:17.47 | blahdeblah | pipeline: galeon was cool until they took out all the features that GNOME reimplemented half as well. |
| 22:17.50 | pipeline | blahdeblah: ..and I hate the "the wrong way is the only way" attitude that firefox's developers seem to have. |
| 22:18.00 | blahdeblah | pipeline: true - LOL |
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| 22:18.04 | pipeline | blahdeblah: The galeon GTK 2.x tree eventually caught up to where it was originally. |
| 22:18.16 | pipeline | blahdeblah: Galeon got a lot better after its project lead left in order to start the epiphany project :) |
| 22:18.48 | blahdeblah | pinks: put your ip addr and and netstat -rn in the pastebin and i'll take a look |
| 22:19.15 | blahdeblah | pipeline: Sounds good - has it reached the level of coolness it had when it originally came out yet? |
| 22:19.34 | zorton | antialias fonts on Xorg? |
| 22:19.43 | pipeline | blahdeblah: Yes, but now it's dead. |
| 22:19.48 | blahdeblah | :-( |
| 22:19.54 | pipeline | no further development |
| 22:19.57 | pinks | blahdeblah: what's pastebin? is that another channel? |
| 22:20.01 | pipeline | everythingc is being reimplemented as epiphany extensions :( |
| 22:20.04 | abrotman | !paster |
| 22:20.04 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:20.07 | pipeline | pinks: http://pastebin.ca |
| 22:20.25 | blahdeblah | i personally prefer http://rafb.net/paste - seems to be faster. |
| 22:20.34 | pipeline | pastebin.ca isn't slow like pastebin.com |
| 22:20.35 | ix | !pastebin |
| 22:20.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 22:20.36 | blahdeblah | (But that could be a geographical quirk - i'm in .au.) |
| 22:20.55 | pinks | blahdeblah: I'm in NZ |
| 22:21.04 | blahdeblah | pastebin.ca is woeful from here |
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| 22:21.29 | pinks | blahdeblah: what do you want me to use? - I have to copy it all over from the laptop |
| 22:21.40 | blahdeblah | pinks: whatever works for you |
| 22:21.46 | pinks | k |
| 22:22.08 | blahdeblah | pinks: P.S. How much does it suck to be on the Kiwi cricket team ATM? :-) |
| 22:22.21 | blahdeblah | I'd hate to have Stephen Fleming's job... ;-) |
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| 22:22.32 | pinks | Dunno - I'm only visiting here - I'm Irish :-p |
| 22:22.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Do you think it's possible to install a 32-bit wine package and have it run? |
| 22:23.03 | blahdeblah | pinks: :-D |
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| 22:23.32 | abrotman | ia32-libs ? maybe .. but doubtful |
| 22:23.50 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i just don't think so ... |
| 22:23.56 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: what do you need wine for ? |
| 22:24.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Age of Empires 2 and a few other apps |
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| 22:24.26 | abrotman | oh dude .. |
| 22:24.33 | abrotman | stew: red! |
| 22:24.37 | stew | yeah |
| 22:24.43 | abrotman | merlot? :) |
| 22:24.54 | stew | malbec is what i have open |
| 22:24.58 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i doubt it will work |
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| 22:25.06 | abrotman | stew: not quite a maibock :) |
| 22:25.12 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 22:25.27 | bbelt16ag | is there a app to tell me what video card i got w/o using lspci?? |
| 22:25.32 | bbelt16ag | i know i got a nvidia driver |
| 22:25.34 | hendry | i want to mount my /home dir on another machine with nfs server. does the nfs server need an /etc/export line at all that? |
| 22:25.46 | bbelt16ag | yes |
| 22:25.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Apparently, I need a 32-bit version of libicu36-dev |
| 22:25.48 | bbelt16ag | it does |
| 22:25.49 | blondie | /etc/exports |
| 22:25.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or at least a file it contains |
| 22:26.00 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: you're going to need 32bit versions of a lot of stuff |
| 22:26.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | :( |
| 22:26.23 | abrotman | chroot time! |
| 22:26.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nah, I don't think I'll bother with a chroot jail |
| 22:26.55 | abrotman | ok |
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| 22:29.52 | pinks | blahdeblah: http://rafb.net/p/J72LfG50.html |
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| 22:35.40 | dan2 | abrotman, this is the best game of football I have ever seen |
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| 22:35.58 | abrotman | dan2: you're joking i hope |
| 22:36.05 | dan2 | no |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | you need to watch more football |
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| 22:36.34 | pinks | blahdeblah: http://rafb.net/p/J72LfG50.html |
| 22:36.41 | GeorgeS069 | we need to get dan2 a Sunday Ticket |
| 22:36.59 | blondie | offtopic. |
| 22:37.16 | abrotman | i'm sure he has it |
| 22:37.27 | dan2 | abrotman, I haven't seen a game of football this good since the 2000 Super Bowl... St. Louis Rams v. Tennessee Titans |
| 22:37.37 | abrotman | that's sad .. wathc more |
| 22:37.57 | Miesco | stew: I like wmii |
| 22:38.01 | retro_neo | is it normal that I have no apache config file after installing it : apache2ctl -k start returns "apache2: could not open document config file /etc/apache2/apache2.conf" ? |
| 22:38.10 | pinks | blahdeblah: do you want the output from ifconfig as well? |
| 22:38.33 | dan2 | abrotman, Chicago hasn't had a single flag thrown against them this whole game |
| 22:38.46 | dan2 | abrotman, the defense has been about as good as it gets (including the safety) |
| 22:38.56 | dan2 | Special Teams has made a great part of this game |
| 22:39.18 | abrotman | yes they have |
| 22:39.23 | abrotman | special teams hasn't done shit |
| 22:39.38 | dan2 | and the Jones/Cedric rushing completely blasting through the NO Saints defense |
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| 22:40.07 | dan2 | abrotman, how many football games have you seen where a touchdown is by 8 consecutive runs with the same player? |
| 22:40.21 | abrotman | more than one |
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| 22:41.14 | blondie | what does this conversation have to do with debian? |
| 22:41.24 | dan2 | abrotman, chicago has also had no turnovers |
| 22:42.03 | blahdeblah | pinks: Yeah - i saw it. I just can't get my firefox/iceweasel working at the moment. Maybe someone else can help. |
| 22:42.56 | dan2 | abrotman, _perfect_ execution |
| 22:42.59 | retro_neo | anyone? |
| 22:43.12 | abrotman | dan2: i'm not sure oyu know what you're talkinga bout :) |
| 22:43.20 | abrotman | !bts |
| 22:43.21 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 22:44.38 | pinks | Can anyone tell me how to get ppp sorted? I'm trying to get ppp to connect and I get as far as collecting IP's and DNS's, but no ping or browsing. |
| 22:44.41 | retro_neo | here is a bribe for anyone who can help me ;) http://tv.peekvid.com/ |
| 22:44.48 | dan2 | TOUCHDOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:45.28 | blahdeblah | dan2: Take it somewhere else! |
| 22:45.37 | blondie | indeed |
| 22:45.56 | pinks | I'm really stuck here guys - please help |
| 22:46.34 | blondie | pinks: have you set the route correctly? |
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| 22:47.15 | pinks | blondie: I think so - how would you like me to check? |
| 22:47.25 | blondie | type route |
| 22:47.29 | blahdeblah | pinks: Show blondie your pastebin |
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| 22:47.47 | pinks | blondie: here's the output from route -n http://rafb.net/p/J72LfG50.html |
| 22:48.39 | blondie | pinks: looks like the default is your lan connection |
| 22:49.04 | pinks | how do I fix that? |
| 22:49.15 | blondie | er |
| 22:49.40 | blondie | not sure |
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| 22:50.03 | blahdeblah | pinks: If that's the case, you need to ask: why do you have a route on your LAN connection? |
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| 22:50.32 | blahdeblah | Are there other Internet connections on your LAN? |
| 22:50.35 | blahdeblah | Or other routers? |
| 22:50.44 | dan2 | INTERCEPTION! |
| 22:50.54 | pinks | blahdeblah: I used to have an ethernet connection |
| 22:51.10 | blahdeblah | dan2: TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE |
| 22:51.15 | pinks | and I am using a PCMCIA card which is a combined eth and modem |
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| 22:51.35 | Guerin | dan2: abrotman is trying to defend NFL as a sport in #d-o |
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| 22:51.40 | Guerin | dan2: and losing ;) |
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| 22:51.57 | abrotman | i won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:52.17 | blahdeblah | Guerin, dan2, abrotman: So create #nfl-is-a-sport - just stop annoying us non-US folks with trivia. |
| 22:52.20 | g333k | hi is it possible to use the windows drivers in linux for a webcam? |
| 22:52.26 | dan2 | NFL is the only sport morons |
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| 22:52.36 | abrotman | blahdeblah: see me talking about it ? |
| 22:52.43 | blahdeblah | You just did... |
| 22:52.55 | blahdeblah | (Talking about talking about it qualifies as well... ;-) |
| 22:53.02 | Miesco | stew: You there? |
| 22:53.09 | Miesco | Guerin: What windows manager do you use? |
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| 22:53.26 | blahdeblah | Miesco: You have to call it a window manager to get noticed. ;-) |
| 22:53.37 | pinks | blahdeblah: any thoughts on my routing/gateway/whatever problem? |
| 22:53.44 | Miesco | Guerin: What window manager do you use? |
| 22:53.44 | Guerin | Miesco: evilwm |
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| 22:54.12 | Guerin | dan2: itym NFL is the only morons sport |
| 22:54.19 | blahdeblah | pinks: My guess is you've still got some routing configuration lying around from your previous connection. |
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| 22:54.23 | abrotman | blahdeblah: that had nothign to do with it asshat |
| 22:54.47 | pinks | blahdeblah: how do I find that out and fix it? |
| 22:54.55 | Miesco | abrotman: What about you, what do you use |
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| 22:55.07 | blahdeblah | pinks: Try looking at your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:55.21 | abrotman | Miesco: a car mostly .. it's a long walk to work |
| 22:55.21 | blahdeblah | Miesco: http://www.xwinman.org has some good info |
| 22:55.57 | blahdeblah | Miesco: icewm works the best for me - small footprint, keyboard oriented, not burdened by the "must not look like Windows" stigma. |
| 22:56.00 | pinks | blahdeblah: do you want me to paste that? |
| 22:56.11 | Zarephath | I am getting a message that keeps popping up says: Ok NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timeout, then it shows the link up..it seems to be going up and down how can I fix this? |
| 22:56.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Do you use a 32-bit CPU? |
| 22:56.25 | blahdeblah | pinks: Not if you want me to read it - i'm still beating my head against iceweasel. :-) |
| 22:56.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:56.34 | pinks | :( |
| 22:56.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Would you mind seeing if you have a file called libsicuuc.a ? |
| 22:57.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: If so, please send it to me. I think it's the key to my compilation problem |
| 22:57.00 | blahdeblah | pinks: There are 666 other people in here besides us. ;-) |
| 22:57.06 | abrotman | !find libsicuuc.a etch |
| 22:57.12 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: you can get it from packages.debian.org |
| 22:57.13 | stoned | oh man |
| 22:57.15 | stoned | 666 |
| 22:57.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libsicuuc.a' (1): (/usr/lib/libsicuuc.a) in libdevel/libicu36-dev. |
| 22:57.24 | Miesco | Guerin: How can I find out if I got evilwm loaded? |
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| 22:57.27 | blahdeblah | stoned: Oh, no! We're all doomed! |
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| 22:57.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... |
| 22:57.37 | Guerin | Miesco: if you didn't install it, you don't. |
| 22:57.37 | blahdeblah | stoned: Especially now that someone mentioned evilwm! |
| 22:57.41 | stoned | lol |
| 22:57.58 | Miesco | Guerin: I did install it, I ran it but its just blank |
| 22:58.16 | Guerin | yep |
| 22:58.20 | Guerin | sure is |
| 22:58.28 | Guerin | rtfm for usage details |
| 22:58.51 | stoned | I stress tested my new system for 5 hours. 428FSBx7 @ 3.0Ghz idle @ 24-29C and 38-44C under full load |
| 22:58.51 | stoned | I am very happy with my build |
| 22:58.53 | Miesco | Guerin: Okay |
| 22:59.17 | stoned | thats a 1200mhz overclock fully stable |
| 22:59.22 | stoned | yippy yay |
| 22:59.42 | pipeline | so, what's the recommended method of getting a 64 bit kernel shoehorned into a 32 bit system? |
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| 23:01.30 | dan2 | pipeline, rm -rf / |
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| 23:02.15 | Guerin | pipeline: i think cross-compiling in a chroot is the plan |
| 23:02.18 | abrotman | pipeline: make your own ... debian doesn't have any now |
| 23:02.20 | Guerin | but have never done it |
| 23:02.24 | abrotman | they have pure64 though |
| 23:02.54 | dan2 | abrotman, pure64 is the shit |
| 23:03.02 | abrotman | good |
| 23:03.07 | concept10 | stoned, is that the one you talked about purchasing last week? |
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| 23:03.13 | stoned | concept10, yes! |
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| 23:03.36 | stoned | concept10, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ss/oc.jpg |
| 23:03.42 | stoned | concept10, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/ss/stable.jpg |
| 23:03.46 | concept10 | stoned, did you get the pentium d? |
| 23:04.04 | stoned | you'll see, check the screenshots |
| 23:04.04 | dan2 | TOUCHDOWN! |
| 23:04.15 | DingoK | is there a way to make apache2's directory list expand enough to display entire filenames, and not cut off at 80 chars or however many it does? |
| 23:04.22 | blondie | stoned: wtf is that on your screen? |
| 23:04.29 | stoned | blondie, what? |
| 23:04.30 | Guerin | DingoK: #apache |
| 23:04.48 | blondie | stoned: Windows! |
| 23:05.02 | stoned | blondie, what? windows? |
| 23:05.07 | blondie | yes! |
| 23:05.26 | stoned | blondie, /exec -o echo `uname -a` |
| 23:05.31 | stoned | Linux laptop 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:37:06 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:05.32 | stoned | :) |
| 23:05.42 | blondie | ... |
| 23:05.50 | stoned | thats my gaming desktop |
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| 23:05.54 | jelly-home | stoned: dude your desktop totally looks like xp, how'd ya do it |
| 23:05.56 | stoned | you make oblivion work under linux, I'll install linux on it |
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| 23:06.04 | concept10 | stoned, I dont see anything about the processor |
| 23:06.07 | stoned | other than that, quit downing on my windows |
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| 23:06.15 | stoned | concept10, look in oc.jpg |
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| 23:06.23 | stoned | concept10, core temp beta .94 window |
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| 23:07.45 | concept10 | meh, you should have gotten the 6600 |
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| 23:08.20 | stoned | concept10, dish out the cash bro, I got no problems taking a 6600 |
| 23:08.31 | stoned | none at all |
| 23:08.49 | blahdeblah | craigevil: Thanks for the tip on localstore.rdf - didn't work though. :-) |
| 23:08.50 | concept10 | heh |
| 23:09.11 | concept10 | stoned, how much was the total build |
| 23:09.13 | stoned | the only thing that makes 6300 diff than 6600 is 2x multiplier difference, and 2MB L2 Shared Cache difference |
| 23:09.22 | stoned | $400 |
| 23:09.40 | blahdeblah | Why does iceweasel work correctly when started with -ProfileManager, but not otherwise? I only have one (working) profile. |
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| 23:09.50 | concept10 | stoned, thats not bad |
| 23:09.55 | stoned | not at all |
| 23:10.51 | Mayasha____1 | my webcam on my site www.ghidul-universitatilor.ro/?3853 |
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| 23:10.58 | stoned | concept10, I wish I knew something about computers |
| 23:10.59 | JordiGH | Was that pr0n spam? |
| 23:11.09 | JordiGH | Romanian pr0n? |
| 23:11.15 | Guerin | JordiGH: i reckon |
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| 23:11.16 | stoned | concept10, unfortunately I have no idea how computers work and I'm totally clueless |
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| 23:11.29 | concept10 | stoned, what do you mean by that>? |
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| 23:12.05 | stoned | concept10, some people in here like to think that about me since my nickname is stoned.. they are probably right |
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| 23:12.07 | stoned | :) |
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| 23:12.28 | Guerin | stoned: well, you DID work for dell ... |
| 23:12.31 | JordiGH | well, you DO smoke lots of the good herb... |
| 23:12.33 | concept10 | gosh windows irks me so much |
| 23:12.36 | Guerin | that's a good indication you're clueless |
| 23:12.52 | stoned | concept10, thats why I got Xming importing an X session |
| 23:12.57 | stoned | I can't live without debian! |
| 23:13.07 | stoned | only thing I do on windows is Oblivion |
| 23:13.17 | JordiGH2 | Wow, this version of Kopete is even more annoying for chatting |
| 23:13.23 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:13.32 | stoned | Guerin, :( |
| 23:13.48 | concept10 | I cant live without a windows box (for music) but its just plain dumb sometimes. Sometimes when I boot I cant access the taskbar |
| 23:13.58 | JordiGH | So much for that feature. Back to Xchat for me. |
| 23:14.04 | stoned | Xchat FTW! |
| 23:14.09 | blondie | concept10: why on earth do you need windows for music?! |
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| 23:14.17 | stoned | concept10, amarok > * |
| 23:14.21 | stoned | imo anyway |
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| 23:14.39 | Miesco | Guerin: evilwm is pretty neat but how do you execute stuff? |
| 23:14.49 | concept10 | blondie, music production, I meant |
| 23:14.51 | Guerin | Miesco: ? |
| 23:14.51 | JordiGH | And Kopete just crashed on me again when I tried to close its IRC window. Cute. |
| 23:14.55 | JordiGH | Is this an RC bug? |
| 23:14.59 | stoned | concept10, I do all my stuff on linux |
| 23:14.59 | phaedral | have msged dpkg re firefox and java, have installed jre, cannot seem to get iceweasel to recognize same; would love a clue |
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| 23:15.09 | concept10 | stoned, exaile |
| 23:15.15 | Guerin | JordiGH: only if it's reproducible |
| 23:15.28 | JordiGH | Guerin: It's reproducible for me. :-) |
| 23:15.38 | stoned | concept10, I use Hydrogen to make/export drums. I import drum tack into audacity and I record over it while its playing. Then I mix it down. |
| 23:15.42 | Guerin | so file with instructions on how to reproduce |
| 23:15.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Woohoo, it finished compiling! |
| 23:15.59 | Miesco | Guerin: Like programs |
| 23:16.04 | concept10 | stondhttp://www.exaile.org/trac/screenshots |
| 23:16.07 | Guerin | Miesco: foo& |
| 23:16.12 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i'm skeptical! |
| 23:16.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/darkapostrophe/downloads/wine-0.9.29/programs' |
| 23:16.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wine build complete. |
| 23:16.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | See? :) |
| 23:16.38 | concept10 | stoned, have you tried eXT2? |
| 23:16.49 | stoned | I use ext3 |
| 23:16.52 | stoned | ? |
| 23:16.55 | JordiGH | Guerin: It's probably got something to do with my low memory available. Open an IRC window in Kopete. Close it. It crashes. But maintainer will need a computer with low memory to reproduce it? |
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| 23:17.06 | tuvwx | is there a way to open file.pdf.gz directly in evince or acroread without having to extract it manuall? |
| 23:17.12 | tuvwx | *manually |
| 23:17.23 | JordiGH | tuvwx: xpdf can do it. |
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| 23:17.30 | Guerin | JordiGH: how low is low, and why are you trying to run kde on a low-memory machine anyhow? |
| 23:17.32 | concept10 | stoned, not the file system .. its a DAW that works on Linux, better than the rest, imo |
| 23:17.32 | Miesco | Guerin: What browser do you use btw? |
| 23:17.39 | stoned | can you limit a process to take up only a certain amount of ram and no more? |
| 23:17.55 | Guerin | Miesco: iceweasel/ff being the only remotely decent one. |
| 23:17.56 | JordiGH | Guerin: It's about 187 megs of ram. |
| 23:18.07 | Guerin | JordiGH: you have a rough amount of ram? |
| 23:18.09 | tuvwx | JordiGH, xpdf lacks more basic things |
| 23:18.19 | Miesco | Guerin: Is it in the debian repository? |
| 23:18.22 | stoned | kpdf is shiznit |
| 23:18.26 | concept10 | stoned, http://thepiz.org/xt/xt2vxt1.png |
| 23:18.27 | stoned | or gpdf |
| 23:18.28 | JordiGH | Guerin: I run KDE because despite this Kopete crash, it works acceptably. |
| 23:18.31 | Guerin | Miesco: of course it is |
| 23:18.49 | JordiGH | tuvwx: Really? Like what? xpdf does pretty much all I ask it to. |
| 23:19.15 | JordiGH | Guerin: free -m report 187 total. |
| 23:19.16 | stoned | concept10, what do you do? |
| 23:19.37 | Miesco | Guerin: What should I search for? |
| 23:19.44 | concept10 | stoned, you mean music wise? |
| 23:19.47 | Guerin | Miesco: what you're looking for? |
| 23:19.50 | majhoul | salam |
| 23:19.55 | stoned | yes |
| 23:20.05 | Miesco | Guerin: I search iceweasel and nothing comes up |
| 23:20.07 | stoned | majhoul, wassalam |
| 23:20.14 | unperson | Can Debian testing currently be installed such that / is on a RAID0 partition? |
| 23:20.25 | majhoul | teslam stoned |
| 23:20.30 | concept10 | stoned, I have a recording studio, but I also make music, but mostly recording right now |
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| 23:20.42 | magyar | how cam i make xorg on sid to display 2560x1600? |
| 23:20.45 | stoned | concept10, dude! may I pick your brain about something |
| 23:21.02 | stoned | concept10, I play mostly, but I try to record as well and the sound quality if always shit |
| 23:21.45 | concept10 | stoned, what bit depth do you record at? what frequency? what are you recording? |
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| 23:21.50 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 23:22.19 | stoned | concept10, I'm trying to ... wait hold on just a minute or two brb |
| 23:22.34 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 23:22.51 | jelly-home | olskolirc: ! |
| 23:22.53 | stoned | how does one register a channel on freenode? |
| 23:23.06 | Guerin | stoned: ask #freenode |
| 23:23.15 | phaedral | stoned: or check the webpage |
| 23:23.20 | stoned | can't nobody speak there |
| 23:23.22 | stoned | +m |
| 23:23.24 | tuvwx | JordiGH, xpdf has changed an awful lot since i last used it |
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| 23:23.27 | stoned | ok |
| 23:23.29 | Miesco | whois stew |
| 23:23.30 | pngwn | or /msg chanserv help |
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| 23:24.00 | Guerin | stoned: wait and the voice fairy will give you voice |
| 23:24.17 | concept10 | stoned, just goto #superdebianmusic |
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| 23:25.48 | rx | question: i am runing sarge now, is it a bad idea to install etch packages into it?? |
| 23:25.54 | stoned | concept10, ##recording |
| 23:26.23 | stoned | might as well start an unofficial recording support channel and try to get some audio people in |
| 23:26.37 | stoned | i know this other cat who has a studio too |
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| 23:29.10 | rx | DEBIAN QUESTION: is running etch packages in sarge a bad idea??? |
| 23:29.52 | ix | It's a good thing you prefixed that question with "DEBIAN QUESTION", otherwise we would probably misunderstand the whole thing. |
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| 23:30.08 | larsl | rx: If you were able to install it it should probably work OK. |
| 23:30.19 | Guerin | rx: DEBIAN ANSWER: fuck yes. |
| 23:30.22 | larsl | (if you were able to install it without forcing, I mean). |
| 23:30.23 | krazykit | rx, DEBIAN ANSWER: yes |
| 23:30.34 | rx | hell yea |
| 23:30.36 | rx | good good |
| 23:30.48 | mikecd | I'd say just run etch |
| 23:31.05 | Guerin | what larsl said is broadly true, but that doesn't take into account the fact that it will almost certainly break at some time in the future if you upgrade |
| 23:31.07 | rx | i tryed to upgrade once. and broke my video acc. |
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| 23:31.21 | rx | mach64 |
| 23:31.35 | mikecd | I think you want sarge backports instead |
| 23:31.50 | larsl | stoned: You know there is a Linux audio channel, right? |
| 23:31.59 | stoned | larsl, yes |
| 23:32.03 | rx | what are backports anyways? |
| 23:32.05 | GeorgeS069 | !tell rx about backports |
| 23:32.14 | stoned | larsl, there are a few |
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| 23:34.41 | pinks | I've got my ppp connection to allow me to ping by IP, but no ping by name, and no browsing - any ideas? |
| 23:35.04 | GeorgeS069 | pinks: DNS problem most likely |
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| 23:35.23 | GeorgeS069 | check out /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:35.42 | pinks | what am I looking for in there? |
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| 23:36.04 | GeorgeS069 | pinks; well,for starters see if it has any entries |
| 23:36.23 | pinks | yep it has |
| 23:36.45 | GeorgeS069 | ok...and it's a dial-up right? |
| 23:36.50 | pinks | including the IP allocated by the ISP |
| 23:36.57 | pinks | yes - dial-up |
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| 23:37.36 | pinks | it has 120.0.0.1 , 192.168.0.1 and the ISP nameservers |
| 23:37.48 | GeorgeS069 | hmmm....could you somehow have port 53 blocked somewhere? |
| 23:38.04 | pinks | Ooops -- I mean it has 127.0.0.1 , 192.168.0.1 and the ISP nameservers |
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| 23:38.16 | Guerin | pinks: resolv.conf only allows three `nameserver' entries |
| 23:38.18 | pinks | how can I tell about blocked port 53? |
| 23:38.22 | Guerin | so delete the first two |
| 23:38.34 | Guerin | pinks: then run `dig google.com' |
| 23:38.46 | pinks | Guerin -- cool -- I'll do that and try it again |
| 23:38.53 | Miesco | Guerin: How do I get iceweasel? |
| 23:39.07 | Guerin | pinks: unless you run a caching named on your dial-up box, those first two are useless |
| 23:39.24 | Guerin | Miesco: aptitude search iceweasel |
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| 23:43.34 | Miesco | Guerin: There we go, just needed to update aptitude, is iceweasel recent? |
| 23:43.42 | Guerin | somewhat |
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| 23:44.04 | Miesco | Guerin: Is firefox still in development? |
| 23:44.20 | Guerin | Miesco: of course; it always will be. |
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| 23:45.50 | Miesco | Guerin: So iceweasel is better then firefox? |
| 23:46.13 | Guerin | Miesco: iceweasel *is* firefox, without mozilla trademarks and proprietary TalkBack |
| 23:46.40 | Miesco | Guerin: Okay I see |
| 23:47.18 | h3xis | why is debian the only distro to have a problem with mozilla and the name? why don't ubuntu, suse, fedora et al? |
| 23:47.56 | Guerin | h3xis: you'd have to ask them |
| 23:47.57 | TGPO | h3xis, simple, the others caved in under the 'trademark' |
| 23:48.10 | Guerin | h3xis: i presume they distribute unmodified mozilla code |
| 23:48.42 | h3xis | what trademark? i'm not really up to snuff on this |
| 23:48.51 | Miesco | Guerin: Should I delete firefox? |
| 23:48.51 | Guerin | h3xis: `firefox', the little fox logo, and some other things are trademarked, and may only be attached to mozilla.org code, or code approved by them |
| 23:48.56 | TGPO | h3xis, the firefox icon is the whole of the reason. mozilla wanted it included, debian didnt want the branding |
| 23:48.56 | Guerin | Miesco: do what you like |
| 23:49.01 | Miesco | Guerin: Did you? |
| 23:49.09 | h3xis | ah i see |
| 23:49.12 | Guerin | Miesco: one replaced the other |
| 23:50.05 | JordiGH | tuvwx, agreed. xpdf used to be on my tehsuck list but now it's on my tehawesome one. |
| 23:50.29 | larsl | TGPO: I thought the point was that Debian are not _allowed_ to use the name and logo unless all security updates to the Firefox Debian packages were approved by Mozilla? |
| 23:50.31 | Guerin | if only xpdf had a less-shit UI |
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| 23:50.56 | abrotman | TGPO: no .. you're wrong |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 23:51.03 | dpkg | [why iceweasel] debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 23:51.14 | abrotman | it's a *very* long bug report |
| 23:51.16 | Guerin | basically, debian can't use the logo because it won't relinquish its right to patch the code |
| 23:51.36 | Miesco | Guerin: What email client do you use? |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | mutt! |
| 23:51.52 | Guerin | Miesco: mutt. Why the inquisition? |
| 23:52.06 | abrotman | Guerin: what's your favorite position ? |
| 23:52.17 | Guerin | abrotman: depends. |
| 23:52.21 | Miesco | I dont know what inquisition means |
| 23:52.28 | Guerin | Miesco: nobody expects you to |
| 23:52.39 | Miesco | Okay good |
| 23:52.44 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:52.46 | Guerin | whoosh |
| 23:53.07 | Miesco | abrotman: What window manager do you use? |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | Miesco: depends |
| 23:53.19 | abrotman | !polls |
| 23:53.19 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 23:54.10 | Miesco | abrotman: Im not doing that, im asking what you have |
| 23:54.29 | Miesco | abrotman: Well what are the window managers you use? |
| 23:54.34 | stoned | Miesco, what brand of toilet paper do you use? |
| 23:54.49 | abrotman | Miesco: that's a poll |
| 23:55.04 | Miesco | abrotman: Fine, whats a good window manager? |
| 23:55.15 | stoned | Miesco, xwinman.org |
| 23:55.28 | stoned | go look |
| 23:55.40 | abrotman | Miesco: depends on your needs |
| 23:55.42 | TGPO | asking what WM anyone specifically is using isnt a poll its a question, asking which is best would be a poll |
| 23:55.44 | stoned | good/bad are personal opinions. What might be for abrotman might not be for you |
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| 23:56.26 | Miesco | abrotman: What are your needs? |
| 23:56.34 | abrotman | TGPO: no ..he's polling everyone in the channel individually |
| 23:56.39 | abrotman | Miesco: stuff that works :) |
| 23:56.52 | stoned | Miesco, now if you ASK about the features you require in a WM we could possibly tell you which WMs would have it |
| 23:56.54 | pinks01 | Guerin: I got /etc/resolv.conf down to 2 nameservers, but still no luck |
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| 23:57.14 | SubStack | try them all |
| 23:57.30 | pinks01 | Guerin: I can do everything by IP numbers, but not by names |
| 23:57.31 | sphenxes | I am planning to make a clone of my internal harddrive 200 GB to an extern harddrive also 200 GB with the dd command. My Question: i have heard that both of the harddrives must be identical which is difficult, 2 different manufacuter one intern and the other extern. Is it possible to that clone will work with out a problem or should I buy 250 GB extern (no problem for losing the extra 50 GB) and clone my hard drive? |
| 23:58.14 | Miesco | abrotman: Me too, I want a window manager that works, I want it to be a tiling window manager, I want it to be able to execute programs |
| 23:58.16 | SubStack | debian is especially painless even |
| 23:58.45 | GeorgeS069 | pinks01: what are the IP's of the 2 nameservers? |
| 23:58.46 | SubStack | (in trying them all) |
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