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| 00:00.23 | PcDark | thanks ;) |
| 00:00.33 | guru | is there any way to disable the suspend/resume of usb devices? |
| 00:01.44 | PcDark | i still can't disable it !! |
| 00:01.49 | PcDark | the prcoess is over |
| 00:01.54 | PcDark | yet i can't delete /psybnc/ |
| 00:02.04 | PcDark | can some1 do it for me |
| 00:02.14 | Wyzard | What happens when you try to delete the directory? |
| 00:02.20 | PcDark | it says directory deleted |
| 00:02.22 | PcDark | in sftp |
| 00:02.23 | PcDark | but |
| 00:02.26 | PcDark | it's not |
| 00:02.46 | shingouz | PcDark: do an lsof on the thing. and use enter a little less if possible |
| 00:02.46 | Wyzard | That could be an sftp problem |
| 00:02.59 | Wyzard | Having a process running doesn't prevent a directory from being deleted, btw |
| 00:03.09 | PcDark | o. |
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| 00:03.15 | PcDark | this is wierd |
| 00:03.26 | h3sp4wn | If you cannot delete it as root you have other problems |
| 00:03.31 | Wyzard | Try plain rmdir from a shell |
| 00:04.07 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 00:04.09 | Ny-Ty | hi all |
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| 00:06.27 | groggy | What's the easiest way to find out what packages I have installed (directly, not dependencies) on my system? |
| 00:06.31 | snowbird | ive got a slave a prtion how can i make it bigger |
| 00:06.52 | MatBoy | Who can tell me the following. I have switched from KDE to gnome because of better performance, but I miss some nice features liek kpdf and so on. Is this really gnome or is there much more dev on KDE ? |
| 00:07.28 | Wyzard | I haven't used kpdf, but GNOME has a PDF viewer called Evince |
| 00:07.29 | shingouz | groggy: dpkg --get-selections | less |
| 00:07.35 | MatBoy | *like |
| 00:07.41 | snowbird | how do u use g parted |
| 00:08.22 | groggy | shingouz: That appears to give me all packages. |
| 00:08.37 | PcDark | How do I enable mod_python2.3 |
| 00:08.42 | PcDark | it's not showing up in apache |
| 00:08.43 | shingouz | groggy: the installed packages are markes with 'ii' |
| 00:08.45 | snowbird | going to try someting brb |
| 00:08.53 | shingouz | marked even |
| 00:09.04 | PcDark | whats the command |
| 00:09.07 | PcDark | a3something |
| 00:09.11 | PcDark | to enable a module for apache |
| 00:09.12 | groggy | shingouz: Not on my output, but I can handle that. |
| 00:09.24 | shingouz | hm? sec |
| 00:09.38 | groggy | shingouz: The real problem is that it shows all installed packages, not just the ones that I have installed explicitly. |
| 00:09.52 | groggy | shingouz: I don't want to see packages installed as dependencies. |
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| 00:10.12 | shingouz | ah. true, groggy. 'install' |
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| 00:10.23 | shingouz | grep it... |
| 00:10.36 | groggy | shingouz: Right. I can grep for that, but I can't grep for depenencies/non-dependencies. |
| 00:11.07 | shingouz | sorry.. misunderstanding on my part this time. looks like caffeine would help me a little |
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| 00:12.16 | groggy | What's the easiest way to find out what packages I have installed (directly, not dependencies) on my system? |
| 00:12.55 | Ny-Ty | aptitude |
| 00:13.05 | Ny-Ty | aptitude and installed packages |
| 00:13.16 | amitar | groggy: I don't think that dpkg (or even apt) stores that info. However, aptitude does if you did all your installs with it. |
| 00:13.18 | geo-rge | groggy: no easy way to do that. installed is installed, whether dep or not |
| 00:13.36 | Ny-Ty | hmm |
| 00:13.39 | groggy | *sigh* |
| 00:13.40 | Ny-Ty | i think there is some file |
| 00:13.42 | groggy | Thanks for the answers, anyway. |
| 00:13.46 | Ny-Ty | where is listed installed files |
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| 00:13.50 | Ny-Ty | ehm .deb |
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| 00:14.04 | sabrewulf | curious- in debian, how can i schedule a program to execute everytime a certain module is loaded ? |
| 00:14.10 | trend | what is a good light weight tool I can use to see how much bandwidth is being consumed on my deb box? |
| 00:14.11 | geo-rge | Ny-Ty: man dpkg, dpkg --help |
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| 00:14.56 | Ny-Ty | i`m lame |
| 00:15.05 | Ny-Ty | i do make |
| 00:15.19 | Ny-Ty | how i can retranslate the out text of make to file |
| 00:15.19 | Ny-Ty | ;\ |
| 00:15.22 | sabrewulf | i would also like for when /dev/js0 is open()'ed that joydev.o is loaded |
| 00:15.26 | sabrewulf | anyone know how? |
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| 00:15.46 | Ny-Ty | make &1 > log ? |
| 00:15.47 | Ny-Ty | or how |
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| 00:16.02 | groggy | my-ty: Yes, sort of. |
| 00:16.05 | sabrewulf | nyty: make > log 2>&1 |
| 00:16.10 | PcDark | finally python installed :)! |
| 00:16.22 | groggy | my-ty: I do make 2>&1 | tee -a log |
| 00:16.36 | groggy | my-ty: That way you can have your cake and eat it too. |
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| 00:16.52 | sabrewulf | any idea with my module question? |
| 00:17.02 | Ny-Ty | ok thx |
| 00:17.14 | geo-rge | groggy: yeah that works too |
| 00:17.21 | sabrewulf | hmm |
| 00:17.29 | sabrewulf | i think joydev can be loaded without a joystick attached |
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| 00:17.56 | maxamillion | anyone have a recomendation for a good light weight web server? |
| 00:18.22 | geo-rge | maxamillion: there are lots of web servers... probably the first thing to do is get a list |
| 00:18.30 | trend | lighttpd |
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| 00:18.44 | maxamillion | trend: not offered for sarge |
| 00:18.58 | cb | thttpd? |
| 00:19.02 | h3sp4wn | maxamillion: check backports.org |
| 00:19.03 | maxamillion | geo-rge: yes, i know ... i have been reading all over wikipedia for a couple hours, just wanted opinions |
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| 00:19.20 | maxamillion | h3sp4wn: oh yeah, forgot about that ... thanks |
| 00:19.32 | maxamillion | cb: i read about that ... you have any experience with it? |
| 00:19.42 | maxamillion | i was looking into Boa also ... |
| 00:20.38 | h3sp4wn | /bin/busybox httpd |
| 00:20.38 | h3sp4wn | that is probably the lightest |
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| 00:20.56 | maxamillion | it doesn't have to be the lightest ... just kinda looking for a decent light web server to host a wiki on |
| 00:21.12 | cb | ok no thttpd :-) |
| 00:21.32 | maxamillion | apache is just too bulky and i don't find it practical for what i want to do with a web server ... lemme add backports to my sources.list and see if lighttpd is thre |
| 00:21.35 | maxamillion | ** |
| 00:21.38 | maxamillion | there( |
| 00:21.42 | PcDark | o noes |
| 00:21.43 | grelli | h3sp4wn: what about the embeded webserver they put into a dead fly? |
| 00:21.47 | geo-rge | why would busybox have a httpd?? |
| 00:21.57 | PcDark | my internet is being gay |
| 00:22.00 | PcDark | dns servers went out ;S |
| 00:22.10 | grelli | h3sp4wn: that's got to be a bit lighter |
| 00:22.16 | geo-rge | PcDark: oh, perfect for you then... go have sex with it |
| 00:22.26 | PcDark | you're sick |
| 00:22.37 | geo-rge | I din't bring up "gay"... |
| 00:22.44 | PcDark | it's an expression |
| 00:22.52 | geo-rge | and? |
| 00:23.02 | grelli | PcDark: and the expression is wrong |
| 00:23.06 | groggy | "Happy" |
| 00:23.07 | h3sp4wn | geo-rge: busybox does its used for other things and at least on current sid it is enabled |
| 00:23.07 | PcDark | You're not supposed to take it literally |
| 00:23.13 | grelli | either your net connection is happy and jovial |
| 00:23.24 | PcDark | I take that back |
| 00:23.28 | PcDark | my internet is joyous |
| 00:23.36 | grelli | OH! well ok then! good to hear! |
| 00:23.37 | PcDark | it got so happy it decided to cut its dns servers |
| 00:23.40 | geo-rge | ahh... no problem then :) |
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| 00:23.50 | snowbird | iam on live distro |
| 00:23.51 | grelli | PcDark: that does happen when connections get too happy |
| 00:23.58 | PcDark | lol... |
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| 00:24.01 | grelli | like a small puppy that loses bladder control |
| 00:24.15 | PcDark | yea mine lost it on my xmas tree ;( |
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| 00:25.35 | snowbird | i want to deleate a partion and create a new one |
| 00:25.39 | bkw | http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/kernel-image-2.6-686-smp doesn't list Xeon, but is that the right kernel for xeon cpu? |
| 00:26.40 | geo-rge | PcDark: when looking closer at your "expression" you are using "gay" to mean "bad", when "gay" actually means "people who have sex with others of their same gender" and applying it to anything you think is bad |
| 00:26.51 | snowbird | brb |
| 00:27.08 | PcDark | I understand |
| 00:27.13 | geo-rge | I know you do |
| 00:27.21 | PcDark | You like talking |
| 00:27.38 | geo-rge | so is that gay or bad? |
| 00:27.43 | PcDark | ......... |
| 00:27.45 | PcDark | bad. |
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| 00:28.14 | geo-rge | I see, so now you're picking one or the other :) |
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| 00:29.06 | PcDark | Yes |
| 00:29.33 | rahul | how... "gay", huh? |
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| 00:29.54 | geo-rge | the question becomes, did you realize the difference before or after you first used the expression? |
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| 00:30.29 | Wyzard | Question for anyone here who's using a dual-core or hyperthreaded system... do you ever see display corruption when launching aptitude? |
| 00:30.30 | snowbird | i need help to get partions |
| 00:30.40 | snowbird | i want to add one and remove one |
| 00:30.42 | Wyzard | as if a bunch of strings that aptitude was about to print on the screen got corrupted in memory? |
| 00:30.59 | rahul | Wyzard: corrupted char-by-char? |
| 00:31.01 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, can you be specific? |
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| 00:31.32 | snowbird | one i got is 729.48mb na i want to remove |
| 00:31.37 | Wyzard | rahul: http://schala.dyndns.org/~mike/aptitude-b0rken/ |
| 00:31.42 | geo-rge | what is it mounted on |
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| 00:32.06 | snowbird | hda |
| 00:32.14 | rahul | Wyzard: yes, that's a multithreading bug |
| 00:32.19 | Wyzard | rahul: known bug? |
| 00:32.31 | snowbird | master 1 drive 80 gb |
| 00:32.35 | geo-rge | hda<what>? |
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| 00:32.38 | rahul | Wyzard: dunno |
| 00:32.54 | rahul | haha |
| 00:32.57 | rahul | I like the chinese one |
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| 00:33.20 | Wyzard | rahul: I've seen similar symptoms in vim on a few occasions too... I've done some testing and it definitely seems to be concurrency-related, so I'm just looking to make sure it's a known and minor problem rather than something I need to worry about |
| 00:33.29 | geo-rge | but... that's gay... err... blue! |
| 00:33.41 | snowbird | the fist and only hd |
| 00:33.51 | snowbird | is hda or hd1 |
| 00:34.03 | Wyzard | rahul: In another case that I didn't get a screenshot of, the three hyphens that aptitude uses to mark section headings instead appeared as two hyphens and a yen sign |
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| 00:34.04 | geo-rge | is there a number after hda? |
| 00:34.06 | snowbird | dev/hda/1 |
| 00:34.17 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.22 | snowbird | right |
| 00:34.32 | rahul | Wyzard: decrement yen |
| 00:34.37 | rahul | SELL YOUR YEN |
| 00:34.39 | snowbird | thats a working one |
| 00:34.47 | geo-rge | ok. that would be the answer to "what are you mounting" |
| 00:34.55 | snowbird | geo-rge this is hda/2 |
| 00:35.03 | geo-rge | now need the answer to "where is it mounted" |
| 00:35.05 | snowbird | this one i want to deleate |
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| 00:35.22 | geo-rge | hda/2 doesn't make sense |
| 00:35.26 | snowbird | right |
| 00:35.28 | geo-rge | hda2 does |
| 00:35.35 | snowbird | hda/2 is na partion |
| 00:35.44 | snowbird | hda/1 is the hd |
| 00:35.45 | Wyzard | rahul: decrement yen? |
| 00:35.53 | Wyzard | rahul: oh, nm, I get it :-) |
| 00:35.55 | geo-rge | what is this / |
| 00:35.55 | rahul | heh |
| 00:35.57 | snowbird | hda/1 should be only hd |
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| 00:36.21 | Wyzard | rahul: Anyway, if you have a multi-core/HT system, does that problem happen for you too? |
| 00:36.25 | snowbird | /dev/hda/1 |
| 00:36.34 | geo-rge | you're not yet making sense. I do not know what "hda/1" is, but I do know what "/dev/hda1" is |
| 00:36.35 | Wyzard | rahul: I find I can consistently reproduce it by repeatedly launching, quitting, and re-launching aptitude |
| 00:36.51 | rahul | Wyzard: yeah |
| 00:37.01 | rahul | Wyzard: could be threading bug in your terminal, too |
| 00:37.02 | geo-rge | all: am I missing something? |
| 00:37.11 | rahul | Wyzard: try it in different terminal emulators |
| 00:37.11 | snowbird | well use /dev/hda/1 |
| 00:37.15 | Wyzard | rahul: It happens both in gnome-terminal and on the console |
| 00:37.21 | rahul | Wyzard: well, then |
| 00:37.25 | geo-rge | third / makes no sense. |
| 00:37.25 | Wyzard | rahul: but if it happens to you too, I'm less worried about it |
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| 00:37.40 | rahul | Wyzard: no, doesn't happen on my single proc box |
| 00:37.49 | geo-rge | why do you see: |
| 00:37.53 | geo-rge | hda/1 |
| 00:37.55 | snowbird | how do i remove dev /hda/2 |
| 00:37.56 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.09 | Wyzard | rahul: I originally thought it was a hardware problem with the new dual-core system I built, because it was also having weird disk-corruption problems |
| 00:38.13 | geo-rge | that /? |
| 00:38.14 | raf256_ | snowbird: not /dev/hda2 ? |
| 00:38.24 | snowbird | there are two |
| 00:38.38 | Wyzard | rahul: but the disk corruption turned out to be a kernel bug and it's just coincidence that I saw both problems for the first time on the same new computer |
| 00:38.46 | rahul | Wyzard: ah, that bug |
| 00:38.51 | raf256_ | Wyzard: oh what bug? I saw simmilar bug |
| 00:39.02 | raf256_ | rahul: got url describing "that bug"? |
| 00:39.09 | rahul | hmm |
| 00:39.12 | Wyzard | I have one, hang on |
| 00:39.14 | snowbird | that one raf256_ Is na partion |
| 00:39.18 | geo-rge | snowbird: I can't advise you until we have common understanding... getting this wrong could erase your entire hd. |
| 00:39.31 | raf256_ | the one on 2.6.18.x / 2.6.19.x? it corrupted my hard disc totally |
| 00:39.41 | raf256_ | I thought it was fault of grsecurity patch |
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| 00:40.13 | Wyzard | raf256_, rahul: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/12/msg00362.html |
| 00:40.24 | Wyzard | That's the one I was hitting -- I'm using encrypted RAID-5 on this new box |
| 00:40.58 | truenicoco | hi ! how to set permissions for kpowersave ? |
| 00:40.59 | raf256_ | oh I think I was experiencing other bug |
| 00:41.01 | Wyzard | I happened to find that message while browsing the debian-kernel archives while at work |
| 00:41.13 | geo-rge | snowbird: use rafb.net/paste to show the output of: fdisk -l |
| 00:41.33 | raf256_ | FS corruption bugs are scarry |
| 00:41.45 | Wyzard | quite |
| 00:41.52 | rahul | raf256_: don't break them |
| 00:41.54 | geo-rge | which fs does that involve in this case? |
| 00:42.02 | rahul | geo-rge: I think it was all |
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| 00:42.07 | geo-rge | ugh |
| 00:42.20 | geo-rge | so could it be a VFS bug? |
| 00:42.38 | raf256_ | geo-rge: we talk about http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2006/12/msg00362.html |
| 00:43.20 | geo-rge | ohh, mainly dm-crypt? |
| 00:43.22 | Wyzard | raf256_: I tested all sorts of configurations -- with/without RAID, with/without encryption, with/without LVM... in retrospect I only saw the disk corruption when using crypt+RAID, but in all cases I saw the aptitude display issue, and I thought that was another symptom of the same root problem so I was thinking it was a hardware problem or something |
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| 00:43.36 | snowbird | were do i put flood |
| 00:43.47 | edison04 | Help some one know the name of the noise created when you put your finger on the input of an amplificator ? does it's a hum ? |
| 00:44.07 | Wyzard | raf256_: ended up wasting a month and a half trying to get this new system working right, and then came across that message on debian-kernel and realized it was just a kernel bug that'd been known for over a year |
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| 00:44.12 | geo-rge | snowbird: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 00:44.22 | raf256_ | Wyzard: :/ |
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| 00:45.00 | geo-rge | one thing that will provide is line numbers so we can point at things on that listing |
| 00:45.10 | snowbird | done |
| 00:45.17 | geo-rge | ok, what url? |
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| 00:45.19 | snowbird | got it? |
| 00:45.34 | geo-rge | you have to tell us the url of the paste :) |
| 00:45.46 | snowbird | ok |
| 00:46.03 | snowbird | http://rafb.net/p/Dm1O4C48.html |
| 00:46.06 | snowbird | like that? |
| 00:46.12 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 00:46.15 | snowbird | sorry |
| 00:46.39 | geo-rge | OK, now we're talking... (no problem. you just learned something. happy new year.) |
| 00:46.50 | snowbird | happy new year |
| 00:46.55 | idealm | Excuse me, ALSA doesn't work well. After I execute alsaconf, it sounds. But when I attempt to tune volume, there is no sound at once. May anyone help on this problem? |
| 00:46.56 | snowbird | y see that na partion |
| 00:47.03 | geo-rge | ok, I see three partitions |
| 00:47.09 | snowbird | how i get rid rid |
| 00:47.13 | geo-rge | hda1, hda2 and hda3 |
| 00:47.21 | snowbird | right |
| 00:47.24 | geo-rge | err |
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| 00:47.26 | geo-rge | 5 :) |
| 00:47.29 | snowbird | hda2 no active |
| 00:47.37 | geo-rge | hda1, hda2 and hda5 even |
| 00:47.47 | snowbird | yeah two cd drives |
| 00:47.54 | snowbird | 1 is master has linux |
| 00:47.59 | snowbird | 2 is non active |
| 00:48.04 | snowbird | 3 is swap |
| 00:48.24 | snowbird | then 4-5 dvd and cdrw |
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| 00:48.36 | geo-rge | 2 is your extended. extendeds contain logicals. you have one logical, which is /dev/hda5 |
| 00:48.44 | geo-rge | do you wish to keep hda5? |
| 00:48.55 | snowbird | yeah that a cd or hd |
| 00:49.03 | snowbird | cd burner or dvd burner |
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| 00:49.16 | geo-rge | hda is one drive, hda<anything> is on hda. |
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| 00:49.24 | snowbird | hda5 is swap |
| 00:49.28 | geo-rge | yes. |
| 00:49.33 | snowbird | yes keep |
| 00:49.41 | geo-rge | then you must keep hda2 |
| 00:49.46 | geo-rge | because: |
| 00:49.51 | snowbird | why |
| 00:49.56 | geo-rge | hda5 is INSIDE hda2 |
| 00:50.07 | geo-rge | 2 is your extended. extendeds contain logicals. you have one logical, which is /dev/hda5 |
| 00:50.15 | snowbird | can we get rid oof 5 and two and recate swap? |
| 00:50.20 | geo-rge | sure |
| 00:50.24 | snowbird | great |
| 00:50.36 | snowbird | then make a 20gb or 30 gb partion |
| 00:50.59 | geo-rge | how much ram this machine got? |
| 00:51.10 | snowbird | whats next sorty iam makeing things hard |
| 00:51.15 | geo-rge | how much ram this machine got? |
| 00:51.16 | snowbird | 256 |
| 00:51.18 | puggan | dovecot: 2007-01-07 01:49:37 Error: auth-worker(default): sql(puggan,127.0.0.1): User query failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FROM mail_users WHERE username LIKE 'puggan'' at line 1 |
| 00:51.22 | snowbird | will be 512 |
| 00:51.26 | geo-rge | ok, you running a lot of stuff? |
| 00:51.32 | geo-rge | when will you add that ram? |
| 00:51.33 | snowbird | nope |
| 00:51.42 | snowbird | in short time |
| 00:51.51 | geo-rge | do you have it now? |
| 00:51.56 | snowbird | 7 gigs used so far on 80 |
| 00:52.05 | snowbird | no just 256 ram in it now |
| 00:52.31 | puggan | Any one here tested Dovecot + mySQL? |
| 00:52.51 | geo-rge | why not dovecot and pg? |
| 00:53.01 | snowbird | geo-rge, need more info? |
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| 00:53.31 | geo-rge | snowbird: well you have decision to make... I want you to see in a bit of detail what is lvm |
| 00:53.41 | snowbird | ok how |
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| 00:54.11 | puggan | becose i tried to use syscp, and courier didnt work, so i tested dovecot but the i get mysql errors |
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| 00:54.58 | snowbird | u mean like gparted? |
| 00:55.08 | geo-rge | well... not exactly |
| 00:55.18 | snowbird | ive got that |
| 00:55.19 | geo-rge | there's this thing called lvm |
| 00:55.23 | snowbird | i see |
| 00:55.28 | puggan | ah, just remeber i got /var/log/mysql.log, and i was checking the wrong row in the config |
| 00:55.55 | geo-rge | one thing it does is let you take a single partition and divide it up |
| 00:56.08 | snowbird | i see |
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| 00:56.26 | geo-rge | I guess we can take care of the swap now... |
| 00:56.30 | snowbird | kk |
| 00:56.32 | geo-rge | do this: swapoff -a |
| 00:56.38 | geo-rge | err wait |
| 00:56.47 | snowbird | i can do that in g parted |
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| 00:59.20 | snowbird | geo-rge, run and hide |
| 00:59.32 | geo-rge | why? :) |
| 00:59.42 | snowbird | i thought u were |
| 00:59.50 | snowbird | cause i make this hard |
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| 01:00.44 | snowbird | ge0-rge |
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| 01:01.59 | robin_sz | ok, so why don;t I have a /dev/parport huh? |
| 01:02.12 | Wyzard | Now that the RSA patent is expired, is it preferable to use RSA for newly-generated SSH keys, or should I stick with DSA like I've been doing for the past few years |
| 01:02.14 | robin_sz | seems to be there ... |
| 01:02.40 | robin_sz | DSA is better technically IIRC |
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| 01:03.18 | geo-rge | snowbird: I'm asking you to do this in a specific way so that I know what to expect... don't use gparted |
| 01:03.22 | Wyzard | robin_sz: I've always thought DSA was preferable, but on the other hand, ssh-keygen defaults to RSA unless you tell it otherwise, so I'm wondering if there's a reason for that |
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| 01:03.42 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:03.48 | robin_sz | not afaik ..but I know little |
| 01:04.07 | geo-rge | instead, nano /etc/fstab and look for the line that mounts swap |
| 01:04.47 | geo-rge | and comment it out (put "# " at start of line) |
| 01:04.50 | Cyis | Wyzard: not sure myself... although I can say that most smartcards only support RSA and not DSA... |
| 01:04.59 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:05.04 | Wyzard | robin_sz: http://lists.netisland.net/archives/plug/plug-2004-05/msg00201.html FWIW |
| 01:05.22 | robin_sz | now .. /dev/parport I have udev installed ... |
| 01:05.28 | snowbird | want me to go nano? |
| 01:05.34 | robin_sz | wheres my parallel port gone? |
| 01:05.57 | geo-rge | ok, I have to divide the line up |
| 01:06.09 | geo-rge | nano /etc/fstab |
| 01:06.16 | geo-rge | look for the swap line |
| 01:06.19 | geo-rge | comment it out |
| 01:06.30 | snowbird | hda 5a |
| 01:06.39 | geo-rge | hda5. yes |
| 01:07.17 | snowbird | how i get it to save that |
| 01:07.22 | geo-rge | that's what it's called, not hda/5 or hda 5 or hda 5a |
| 01:07.38 | geo-rge | look at bottom of term |
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| 01:07.41 | snowbird | right |
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| 01:08.04 | geo-rge | you will see (some of) the available commands |
| 01:08.19 | snowbird | right i seeexit |
| 01:08.25 | geo-rge | yes |
| 01:08.29 | geo-rge | try that |
| 01:08.30 | snowbird | ^g |
| 01:09.03 | Dunedan | Cpu(s): 16.4%us, 7.3%sy, 9.1%ni, 0.0%id, 63.6%wa, 0.0%hi, 3.6%si, 0.0%st <- that's one line from top. Could somebody tell me what wa, hi, si and st means? |
| 01:09.06 | geo-rge | well not on my nano... look again |
| 01:09.28 | geo-rge | ^g is get help |
| 01:09.32 | snowbird | cant figure how to save it |
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| 01:10.01 | geo-rge | don't say the answer just yet |
| 01:10.09 | geo-rge | let him think |
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| 01:11.10 | geo-rge | snowbird: ^G is get help, not exit |
| 01:11.21 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:11.24 | geo-rge | but exit is listed very close |
| 01:11.30 | snowbird | what i do? |
| 01:11.37 | snowbird | were do i type that |
| 01:11.40 | geo-rge | look at the bottom of the term |
| 01:11.56 | snowbird | ^x |
| 01:12.00 | geo-rge | -yes |
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| 01:12.13 | snowbird | dont see were to type it |
| 01:12.13 | geo-rge | good. he got it himself |
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| 01:12.32 | geo-rge | ^x means: "hold down control, type x" |
| 01:13.07 | snowbird | done |
| 01:13.30 | snowbird | new comand leared |
| 01:13.39 | geo-rge | ok, so you're out of nano? |
| 01:13.40 | snowbird | ty |
| 01:13.49 | snowbird | yes |
| 01:13.53 | geo-rge | ok. |
| 01:14.02 | geo-rge | now do this: swapoff -a |
| 01:14.25 | cydork | tarzeau: ping |
| 01:14.30 | snowbird | done |
| 01:14.52 | tarzeau | cydork: pong |
| 01:15.00 | cydork | tarzeau: pm? |
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| 01:15.19 | tarzeau | cydork: pm! |
| 01:16.31 | geo-rge | snowbird: fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 01:16.39 | geo-rge | snowbird: p |
| 01:16.50 | geo-rge | you will see your partition table |
| 01:16.59 | geo-rge | then: |
| 01:17.00 | snowbird | were i p |
| 01:17.11 | geo-rge | d5 <enter> |
| 01:17.11 | snowbird | i see |
| 01:17.18 | SirFawnBug | which option enables fusion mpt support in kernel ? |
| 01:17.18 | geo-rge | d2 <enter> |
| 01:17.20 | geo-rge | p |
| 01:17.21 | robin_sz | well, this lack of /dev/parport is weird ... I know I have one |
| 01:17.31 | robin_sz | but it doesnt seem to be in /dev |
| 01:17.32 | snowbird | dev/hda1 * 1 9636 77401138+ 83 Linux |
| 01:17.33 | snowbird | /dev/hda2 9637 9729 747022+ 5 Extended |
| 01:17.33 | snowbird | /dev/hda5 9637 9729 746991 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 01:17.35 | MatBoy | has someone experience with the fact here that Gnome is lower in load on my system than KDE was ? |
| 01:17.36 | snowbird | like that |
| 01:17.39 | SirFawnBug | it defaults to yes and i want it to be module |
| 01:17.41 | geo-rge | you should see one partition |
| 01:17.49 | snowbird | i posted it |
| 01:18.06 | snowbird | swap still shows up |
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| 01:18.19 | geo-rge | after d5? |
| 01:18.28 | snowbird | yes |
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| 01:18.50 | snowbird | /dev/hda5 9637 9729 746991 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 01:19.01 | snowbird | geo-rge, |
| 01:19.14 | MatBoy | cydork, ping |
| 01:19.24 | geo-rge | ok, I got it wrong... |
| 01:19.26 | cydork | MatBoy: pong |
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| 01:19.29 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:19.33 | geo-rge | d <enter> 5 <enter? |
| 01:19.39 | MatBoy | cydork, what do you use KDE or gnome ? |
| 01:19.42 | robin_sz | ahh, modprobe ppdev |
| 01:19.56 | snowbird | thats help |
| 01:20.01 | geo-rge | p |
| 01:20.06 | tarzeau | MatBoy: there's more than KDE or gnome |
| 01:20.08 | geo-rge | hda5 gone? |
| 01:20.11 | cydork | MatBoy: ion3 on workstation. and gnome with compiz on laptop. (Just to show off :P ) |
| 01:20.12 | snowbird | no |
| 01:20.22 | MatBoy | cydork, hehe :P |
| 01:20.27 | geo-rge | hda5 still present? |
| 01:20.32 | snowbird | ge-rge |
| 01:20.39 | MatBoy | tarzeau, I know, but I don't like them ;) |
| 01:20.40 | snowbird | err yeah |
| 01:20.42 | tarzeau | there's also more than linux |
| 01:20.44 | geo-rge | hda5 still present? |
| 01:20.49 | snowbird | yes |
| 01:20.52 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 01:20.53 | MatBoy | cydork, I see that KDE has a damn high load by default |
| 01:21.04 | geo-rge | d <enter> |
| 01:21.16 | tarzeau | MatBoy: yeah, it's a known fact that 90 % of the people don't like good stuff, and chose to suffer (i.e use Microsoft Windows) |
| 01:21.17 | geo-rge | does it ask you which poartition? |
| 01:21.17 | snowbird | now 1-5 |
| 01:21.21 | geo-rge | 5 |
| 01:21.26 | geo-rge | <enter> |
| 01:21.28 | cydork | MatBoy: i am waiting for e18 :0 |
| 01:21.29 | tarzeau | MatBoy: and you are no different to those of 90 % of computer users |
| 01:21.31 | MatBoy | tarzeau, yeah yeah, fluxbox is good |
| 01:21.36 | snowbird | now enter |
| 01:21.41 | MatBoy | cydork, me too |
| 01:21.42 | tarzeau | MatBoy: i wasn't thinking of some ugly window managers |
| 01:21.44 | geo-rge | right |
| 01:21.48 | tarzeau | MatBoy: i was thinking wmaker/GNUstep |
| 01:21.49 | MatBoy | tarzeau, what than ? |
| 01:21.53 | tarzeau | MatBoy: then |
| 01:21.58 | snowbird | 5 still there |
| 01:21.58 | cydork | tarzeau: stop marketing :P |
| 01:21.59 | geo-rge | then, p <enter> |
| 01:22.07 | snowbird | gone |
| 01:22.13 | snowbird | thanks |
| 01:22.19 | tarzeau | cydork: go sleep! |
| 01:22.20 | snowbird | just 1 and 2 |
| 01:22.26 | geo-rge | ok, d <enter> 2 <enter> |
| 01:22.37 | cydork | tarzeau: it's saterday and it's just 2:30 |
| 01:22.40 | geo-rge | then p <enter> |
| 01:22.52 | MatBoy | cydork, is it known when it will come to debian and run well ? evolution ? |
| 01:23.09 | snowbird | done |
| 01:23.16 | geo-rge | right now, you're just editing a ghost of the partition table... this is not written to disk yet |
| 01:23.22 | rahul | evolution? run well? it's supposed to be like outlook |
| 01:23.29 | snowbird | ok |
| 01:23.30 | rahul | how COULD it run well and achieve its goals? |
| 01:23.42 | snowbird | thunder bird is like out look |
| 01:23.44 | nameless | could anyone help me with apt ? |
| 01:23.47 | cydork | MatBoy: have no idea.. |
| 01:23.50 | robin_sz | so .. to load the ppdev module automagically on reboot .. |
| 01:23.50 | tarzeau | rahul: it sucks, no matter what they say |
| 01:23.57 | snowbird | i on my outher box use that not eveoltion |
| 01:23.58 | rahul | snowbird: not really |
| 01:23.59 | MatBoy | cydork, ok... how does it run with compiz ? |
| 01:24.01 | tarzeau | snowbird: yeah, it's also crap |
| 01:24.01 | MatBoy | gnome |
| 01:24.04 | snowbird | thunder box rocks |
| 01:24.09 | robin_sz | /etc/modules doesnt seem the right place does it? |
| 01:24.17 | rahul | tbird is crap, but of a different type than evolution/outlook |
| 01:24.19 | robin_sz | as the /dev fs may not be up at that point |
| 01:24.25 | tarzeau | rahul: exactly |
| 01:24.31 | robin_sz | ?? |
| 01:24.39 | rahul | bird crap as opposed to donkey crap. |
| 01:24.41 | snowbird | geo-rge, |
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| 01:24.46 | MatBoy | cydork, only problme is Xinerama with Gnome and backgrounds |
| 01:24.54 | MatBoy | I can;t set a background for every screen |
| 01:25.00 | nameless | :| |
| 01:25.13 | snowbird | geo-rge, save it to disk? |
| 01:25.33 | geo-rge | if you are VERY SURE you want to get rid of that thing, yes... |
| 01:25.43 | geo-rge | to do that, w <enter> |
| 01:26.17 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:26.17 | nameless | i have a problem with apt |
| 01:26.17 | nameless | could someone help me ? |
| 01:26.17 | nameless | :E |
| 01:26.39 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 01:26.40 | dpkg_ | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 01:26.54 | snowbird | geo-rge, |
| 01:26.54 | cydork | nameless: you have to tell the problem first.. |
| 01:26.56 | snowbird | done |
| 01:27.11 | geo-rge | ok, now you have only one partition on the driver |
| 01:27.13 | geo-rge | drive |
| 01:27.15 | geo-rge | AND |
| 01:27.28 | geo-rge | right now you have no swap |
| 01:27.29 | snowbird | right have to reeboot to take afect |
| 01:27.33 | nameless | gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--format violated |
| 01:27.34 | nameless | Err http://debian.corsac.net unstable/ Packages |
| 01:27.35 | nameless | this |
| 01:27.52 | SirFawnBug | shit why is symbol value m invalid for fusion ? |
| 01:27.57 | nameless | i have added deb http://debian.corsac.net unstable/ to sources.list |
| 01:28.01 | snowbird | want to make swap now or after the reboot |
| 01:28.05 | tarzeau | nameless: that looks wrong |
| 01:28.19 | nameless | http://rafb.net/p/WYGCr544.html |
| 01:28.20 | tarzeau | nameless: try deb http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ sid main |
| 01:28.33 | MatBoy | cydork, but with Gnome, damn, My PC is fast |
| 01:28.47 | MatBoy | cydork, I had a load from 1-2 standard with kde, with gnome... 0.25 :) |
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| 01:28.56 | geo-rge | snowbird: either should be fine |
| 01:28.58 | cydork | MatBoy: :) |
| 01:29.00 | nameless | tarzeau: http://debian.corsac.net is Xfce4 unstable repos |
| 01:29.01 | MatBoy | with XP in vmware open and working on the system |
| 01:29.11 | snowbird | kk ge0-rge |
| 01:29.12 | MatBoy | I still need those kde apps :S |
| 01:29.15 | geo-rge | why not before |
| 01:29.23 | snowbird | lets make swap and partion then il reeboot |
| 01:29.25 | tarzeau | nameless: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ is debian sid repo with lzma compressed debian packages |
| 01:29.31 | geo-rge | ok |
| 01:29.37 | geo-rge | fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 01:29.42 | geo-rge | p <enter> |
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| 01:29.50 | geo-rge | you should see one partition. yes? |
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| 01:30.23 | nameless | there are xfce4 unstalbe too ? |
| 01:30.25 | nameless | :D |
| 01:30.27 | snowbird | yeah only boot left |
| 01:30.30 | nameless | *unstable |
| 01:30.47 | snowbird | geo-rge, |
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| 01:31.25 | maher | does anyone have a working version of the vlc mozilla plugin? |
| 01:31.29 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, now: n <enter> |
| 01:31.41 | cydork | maher: what's wrong with debian one? |
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| 01:32.13 | dan__ | Does the debian install cd have wireless internet capibility? |
| 01:32.18 | maher | cydork: it doesn't work |
| 01:32.30 | geo-rge | snowbird: what does it say? |
| 01:32.32 | dan__ | sorry, i mean the debian net install |
| 01:32.51 | MatBoy | can I check my processor temps easy in Debian ? |
| 01:32.53 | maher | cydork: or rather, it doesn't work for me - does it work for you? |
| 01:33.11 | williamham | I have taken over a machine for a client which runs shorewall. I have found that /var/log/messages is created as a directory rather than a file.. thus breaking some functions within shorewall. Why would this be happening? How could I fix this? |
| 01:33.22 | snowbird | like what u looking for |
| 01:33.29 | tarzeau | MatBoy: yes with mbmon |
| 01:33.34 | cydork | maher: what doesn't work exactly? |
| 01:33.34 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, now: n <enter> |
| 01:33.35 | MatBoy | tarzeau, thanks ! |
| 01:33.36 | geo-rge | snowbird: what does it say? |
| 01:33.45 | tarzeau | MatBoy: i do that like this: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
| 01:33.49 | snowbird | change partion seize |
| 01:33.56 | snowbird | listy partion table |
| 01:34.03 | geo-rge | (this is NOT optimal... you need to be learning how to work fdisk and about partitions) |
| 01:34.06 | snowbird | give seize in blocks |
| 01:34.07 | maher | cydork: i get a black screen that says (no video) |
| 01:34.11 | snowbird | f disk version |
| 01:34.34 | geo-rge | when you say n <enter> what does it reply? |
| 01:34.35 | MatBoy | tarzeau, you must be drunk by now ? :p |
| 01:35.02 | tarzeau | MatBoy: no? i've just had about 0.4 dl of red wine with my gf, but sure not drunk. we actively monitor our systems |
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| 01:35.16 | MatBoy | tarzeau, looking to those names :p |
| 01:35.18 | snowbird | odd |
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| 01:35.26 | tarzeau | MatBoy: the hostnames? not my idea |
| 01:35.49 | MatBoy | tarzeau, indeed :) |
| 01:35.55 | tarzeau | MatBoy: my hostnames are most like, rasenmaeher, kettensaege and blutorange |
| 01:35.56 | MatBoy | damn, my CPU is 55 |
| 01:36.03 | snowbird | iam trying geo-rge |
| 01:36.09 | MatBoy | tarzeau, hehe, and you are Hannibal :p |
| 01:36.11 | tarzeau | s/most/more/ |
| 01:36.32 | cydork | maher: which version of debian? |
| 01:36.33 | snowbird | geo-rge mayeb i should flood again |
| 01:36.40 | maher | cydork: testing |
| 01:36.41 | geo-rge | snowbird: these are things that can be done very quickly... I'm giving you all the baby steps, and you're not responding quickly enough |
| 01:36.46 | geo-rge | no, NEVER flood here |
| 01:36.52 | iLLf8d_ | MatBoy, 55C? |
| 01:36.58 | dan__ | Does the debian net install cd have wireless internet capibility? |
| 01:37.03 | tarzeau | MatBoy: that's very low |
| 01:37.09 | MatBoy | iLLf8d, yep, P4 3,2 |
| 01:37.14 | snowbird | iam trying as fast as i can |
| 01:37.16 | geo-rge | dan__: you could try the etch one |
| 01:37.22 | tarzeau | MatBoy: i've found one at work at 90C, and those making holes into the earth go far beyond 100, 150, 200 |
| 01:37.24 | iLLf8d_ | MatBoy, yeah most of the intel stuff tops out at like 95-100C |
| 01:37.26 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.26 | tarzeau | MatBoy: for several weeks |
| 01:37.30 | MatBoy | is there no toll that I can run as user in a systemtray >? |
| 01:37.32 | cydork | maher: check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400720 |
| 01:37.38 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, look... hit ctrl-C |
| 01:37.54 | iLLf8d_ | mines running at 36C atm |
| 01:37.54 | geo-rge | are you out of fdisk? |
| 01:37.56 | MatBoy | iLLf8d, yep indeed, but I don't like running fans :D |
| 01:38.04 | MatBoy | it's silent now btw |
| 01:38.27 | geo-rge | I only like when my fans run towards me :) |
| 01:38.28 | snowbird | /dev/hda1 * 1 9636 77401138+ 83 Linux |
| 01:38.29 | iLLf8d_ | I can't hear the fans on my lappy even when they're on |
| 01:38.33 | snowbird | there geo |
| 01:38.49 | snowbird | geo-rge sorry iam slow |
| 01:38.55 | iLLf8d_ | although my workstation fans under the desk might be drowning it out |
| 01:38.56 | maher | cydork: yeah - i would really like the plugin to make it in to etch so I was wondering if anyone knew a current working version so i could see if I could backport the fixes... |
| 01:38.59 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, look... hit ctrl-C |
| 01:39.03 | geo-rge | are you out of fdisk? |
| 01:39.10 | snowbird | no |
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| 01:39.54 | snowbird | should i get out |
| 01:40.51 | snowbird | geo-rge |
| 01:40.56 | snowbird | out of fdisk |
| 01:41.09 | geo-rge | ok, fdisk /dev/hda |
| 01:41.20 | geo-rge | are you now in fdisk? |
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| 01:41.48 | snowbird | yeah in it |
| 01:42.10 | geo-rge | ok. NOW: n <enter> |
| 01:42.18 | geo-rge | what does it say AFTER you hit enter? |
| 01:42.34 | cydork | maher: bts says it should be fixed in 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1.1 which is in unstable. |
| 01:42.42 | snowbird | doent show a partion |
| 01:43.04 | snowbird | should type p then enter? |
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| 01:43.34 | snowbird | ge0-rge /dev/hda1 * 1 9636 77401138+ 83 Linux |
| 01:43.37 | snowbird | after p |
| 01:44.23 | snowbird | geo-rge, |
| 01:44.35 | snowbird | looks good |
| 01:44.38 | geo-rge | ok. NOW: n <enter> |
| 01:44.40 | geo-rge | what does it say AFTER you hit enter? |
| 01:44.49 | geo-rge | this is the third time |
| 01:44.57 | geo-rge | PLEASE PAY ATTENTION |
| 01:44.59 | snowbird | extended |
| 01:45.05 | snowbird | primary |
| 01:45.12 | geo-rge | this will DESTROY YOUR HARD DRIVE if you get it wrong |
| 01:45.16 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:45.29 | maher | cydork: that's the same version as in testing |
| 01:45.33 | snowbird | primary partion 1-4 |
| 01:45.57 | snowbird | dev/hda/1 |
| 01:46.49 | geo-rge | 1 exists already |
| 01:46.54 | snowbird | yeah |
| 01:47.03 | cydork | maher: then you should reopen the bug |
| 01:47.10 | snowbird | swap and partion are gone |
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| 01:49.22 | maher | cydork: they're going to fix the bug by removing it from testing |
| 01:50.16 | snowbird | geo-rge, |
| 01:50.24 | geo-rge | snowbird: so you want a primary partition for swap, yes? |
| 01:50.49 | snowbird | yeah and a 20 gig or 3o for partion |
| 01:51.02 | snowbird | its 80 gig |
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| 01:51.02 | cydork | maher: oh sorry i didn't read that |
| 01:51.29 | cydork | maher: then i dont think i can help you.. |
| 01:52.12 | geo-rge | snowbird: you're already using approx 77g |
| 01:52.48 | snowbird | geo-rge no that whole drive alloted as 1 partion |
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| 01:52.57 | snowbird | 7 gigs total used |
| 01:53.42 | snowbird | geo-rge |
| 01:53.55 | CrocoJet | new debian etch .. use gnome 2.16 ? |
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| 01:54.49 | h3sp4wn | CrocoJet: No |
| 01:54.57 | CrocoJet | no ? |
| 01:55.05 | CrocoJet | why ? |
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| 01:55.28 | h3sp4wn | google status of gnome 2.16 in debian |
| 01:55.34 | jetscreamer | why ask why... drink bud dry |
| 01:55.43 | snowbird | bber gross |
| 01:55.52 | CrocoJet | debian distro is getting oldfashioned |
| 01:55.57 | snowbird | geo-rge needs rum from me |
| 01:56.32 | rahul | getting? |
| 01:56.42 | CrocoJet | well .. it is |
| 01:56.45 | rahul | debian has always been ol' skool. |
| 01:56.54 | rahul | even when it was new skool. |
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| 01:57.26 | CrocoJet | I think distro more modern .. nowadays is Fedora Core 6 |
| 01:57.35 | Makenai | Or Yggdrasil |
| 01:57.36 | CrocoJet | more updates |
| 01:57.48 | jetscreamer | ok use it cya later good luck buhbye |
| 01:57.52 | snowbird | this is my best os again |
| 01:58.16 | snowbird | geo-rge |
| 01:58.21 | rahul | CrocoJet: ok, now you're trolling. |
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| 01:58.31 | rahul | CrocoJet: what is newer in fc6 than in debian? |
| 01:58.41 | CrocoJet | gnome 2.6 |
| 01:58.46 | CrocoJet | kernel 2.6.18-1 |
| 01:58.46 | snowbird | fc6 yuck |
| 01:59.00 | h3sp4wn | CrocoJet: Compare things of a similar quality at least - RHEL with Debian for example |
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| 01:59.08 | rahul | gnome-desktop-environment (5 1:2.16.2) |
| 01:59.09 | jetscreamer | 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 01:59.09 | HymnToLife | CrocoJet, kernel 2.6.18-3 in Debian |
| 01:59.15 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 01:59.16 | HymnToLife | and who cares about GNOME ? |
| 01:59.23 | CrocoJet | well I like gnome |
| 01:59.29 | jetscreamer | compile it |
| 01:59.29 | geo-rge | snowbird: almost the whole drive... there is some more space not in any partition |
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| 01:59.38 | CrocoJet | can you use last kernel 2.6.19-1 in debian ? |
| 01:59.45 | rahul | CrocoJet: I guess that goes along with being ignorant/trollish so yeah |
| 01:59.46 | jetscreamer | if you want |
| 01:59.46 | SpeedyG | hey, I wanna look in my access.log from apache to see how many times a specific file has been downloaded, whats the best way to do that ? |
| 01:59.48 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:59.52 | rahul | CrocoJet: DUH |
| 01:59.55 | jetscreamer | compile it |
| 02:00.03 | snowbird | geo=rge |
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| 02:00.23 | CrocoJet | debian use kernel vanilla ? |
| 02:00.36 | HymnToLife | no, neither does Fedora |
| 02:00.36 | rahul | CrocoJet: do you even know what that means? |
| 02:00.44 | snowbird | what should i do geo-rge |
| 02:00.56 | rahul | ge(o-r) |
| 02:01.00 | geo-rge | snowbird: you want to put a swap there? |
| 02:01.04 | CrocoJet | no idea, rahul |
| 02:01.05 | snowbird | yeah |
| 02:01.16 | snowbird | and a partion for for my downloadds |
| 02:01.20 | rahul | CrocoJet: then why are you asking questions that you don't understand? |
| 02:01.38 | karmatronic | SpeedyG:run a script using grep |
| 02:01.45 | CrocoJet | to undestand .. and choice one distro |
| 02:02.02 | rahul | CrocoJet: if you don't know what the question means, how will the answer help? |
| 02:02.10 | rahul | moron. |
| 02:02.17 | rahul | !blairsmite CrocoJet |
| 02:02.31 | CrocoJet | you are saying .. that I dont know .. |
| 02:02.41 | rahul | 21:01 < CrocoJet> no idea, rahul |
| 02:02.57 | rahul | YOU said you don't know |
| 02:02.58 | CrocoJet | no idea about "ge(o-r)" |
| 02:03.03 | rahul | wtf |
| 02:03.31 | geo-rge | use fdisk to create a primary partition. primary partitions are 1,2,3,4. 1 is taken. |
| 02:03.36 | geo-rge | so you will use? |
| 02:03.37 | rahul | !ge(o-r) is a simplification of geo-rge |
| 02:03.38 | dpkg_ | okay, rahul |
| 02:03.39 | CrocoJet | rahul, what is your kernel version ? |
| 02:03.49 | rahul | CrocoJet: I use 2.6.9, because I don't trust newer kernels |
| 02:03.55 | geordie | geo what now? |
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| 02:04.03 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 02:04.04 | jetscreamer | rahul is using 2.2 don't let him fool you |
| 02:04.07 | karmatronic | raul:u should trust newer kernels... |
| 02:04.07 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:04.30 | CrocoJet | "trust" .. can you give me more details ? |
| 02:04.33 | snowbird | 2 wil be swap |
| 02:04.40 | geo-rge | karmatronic: what a loaded statement that is :) |
| 02:04.48 | rahul | heh |
| 02:04.49 | rahul | wtf |
| 02:05.05 | CrocoJet | if Mr. Linus says .. stable .. why do not trust him ? |
| 02:05.09 | karmatronic | (ge)o-r\1:thank u :) |
| 02:05.09 | rahul | CrocoJet: it makes my applications crash because other applications are buggy |
| 02:05.14 | rahul | CrocoJet: he doesn't. |
| 02:05.22 | rahul | CrocoJet: you lose. |
| 02:05.25 | CrocoJet | lol |
| 02:05.26 | CrocoJet | ok |
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| 02:05.44 | rahul | Linus says that his kernels are not meant to be used. the distro's job is to fix it to be stable. |
| 02:05.45 | karmatronic | rahul: i m just saying 2.6.9 is quite old |
| 02:05.51 | rahul | karmatronic: yes, it is |
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| 02:06.08 | rahul | I just wish I could trust that a newer kernel won't break my apps. |
| 02:06.26 | snowbird | geo-rge |
| 02:06.27 | karmatronic | rahul:what are the buggy applications you re running? |
| 02:06.28 | jetscreamer | man... i like gedit better, but kedit works better :/ |
| 02:06.36 | rahul | karmatronic: they're the NON buggy applications |
| 02:06.38 | karmatronic | kedit sucks |
| 02:06.46 | karmatronic | like all kde stuff |
| 02:06.51 | karmatronic | except maybe k3b |
| 02:06.52 | jetscreamer | but it functions better than gedit |
| 02:06.56 | karmatronic | and kdevellop |
| 02:06.56 | rahul | karmatronic: but they manage their own memory, and the kernel forbids that. |
| 02:06.57 | CrocoJet | I think that 2.6.18-1 run pretty smooth |
| 02:07.26 | rahul | karmatronic: it doesn't technically forbid, but it makes a big mess of the memory map |
| 02:07.30 | geo-rge | karmatronic: I would say "if you want to trust newer software more, the thing to do is read the source code and evaluate whether it's deserving of trust (as defined by: won't make my computer format my hard drive more than once per second and therefore fall on my cat") |
| 02:07.39 | CrocoJet | any idea about release new debian ? |
| 02:07.45 | snowbird | dont see how to create |
| 02:07.48 | jetscreamer | yes... |
| 02:07.51 | geo-rge | CrocoJet: I have an idea! |
| 02:07.57 | jetscreamer | would you like to place a wager, CrocoJet ? |
| 02:07.58 | CrocoJet | more 30 days ? |
| 02:08.02 | rahul | go look at debian.org! |
| 02:08.06 | jetscreamer | !etch pool |
| 02:08.07 | dpkg_ | etch pool is probably Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 02:08.36 | snowbird | how do i create partion in f disk |
| 02:08.41 | geo-rge | snowbird: n <enter> |
| 02:08.47 | snowbird | ty |
| 02:08.55 | jetscreamer | m is the help isn't it |
| 02:08.59 | Drgb | hi people, I'd like to compile the 2.8.0 version of XChat which requires package libgtk2.0-dev at version >= 2.10.0. When I try to install that package with "-t experimental" option it asks me to remove many other packages (I suppose 'cause they're uncompatible with the new version). Isn't there a way to make two versions of the same package coexist? |
| 02:08.59 | karmatronic | geo-rge:u re being a litle pessimistic |
| 02:09.02 | jetscreamer | and it lists the keys |
| 02:09.21 | karmatronic | Drgb: dont... |
| 02:09.28 | geo-rge | karmatronic: so maybe I exaggerate a bit... but not about raw possibility |
| 02:09.30 | karmatronic | Drgb:just compile it |
| 02:09.45 | Drgb | just compile what? |
| 02:09.56 | karmatronic | Drgb:Xchat version u need |
| 02:10.06 | CrocoJet | well .. gotta go |
| 02:10.09 | Drgb | hmmm...it's not possible, without that package installed |
| 02:10.10 | CrocoJet | bye bye |
| 02:10.24 | geo-rge | need is a strong word? it's irc... |
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| 02:10.38 | Drgb | (well, it's possible, but without the gtk frontend I'd like to have) |
| 02:10.42 | shingouz | Drgb: and if you install something out of experimental you usually run into problems |
| 02:10.46 | geo-rge | Drgb: you're here now... what do you need other than that? |
| 02:10.52 | LightKnight | is there a way to make "diff" ignore any difference in carriage returns (or in the way a paragraph is formatted) and to spot only the changes in the visible characters? |
| 02:11.10 | peterS | LightKnight: see -w and -b |
| 02:11.17 | peterS | LightKnight: see also the 'wdiff' command |
| 02:11.19 | Drgb | geo-rge, effectively being alive is the only things that really cares, but being alive with XChat 2.8.0 would be better |
| 02:11.42 | snowbird | i pick extended or primary for swap |
| 02:11.49 | peterS | snowbird: doesn't matter at all |
| 02:11.51 | Drgb | -cares +matters |
| 02:11.51 | karmatronic | Rdgb:being healthy is cool too :) |
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| 02:12.03 | snowbird | kk |
| 02:12.04 | Drgb | ok, healthy and alive :D |
| 02:12.11 | grummund | hi, can anyone tell me pls how exim conf makes use of other_hostnames setting? i grep'd the whole of conf.d but can't find it... |
| 02:12.11 | Drgb | but...the problem persists |
| 02:12.13 | geo-rge | Drgb: being alive with Halle Berry would be wayyyyyy better! |
| 02:12.17 | LightKnight | peterS: I'll try, thx :) |
| 02:12.29 | karmatronic | Drgb: beeing dead with hall berry would also be cool :) |
| 02:12.30 | snowbird | cyinder defalt |
| 02:12.40 | Drgb | lol |
| 02:12.43 | geo-rge | snowbird: accept the default |
| 02:12.53 | geo-rge | by hitting <enter> |
| 02:13.01 | Drgb | ok, I suppose there's no solution then |
| 02:13.06 | Drgb | well, thanks |
| 02:13.10 | snowbird | kk |
| 02:13.16 | peterS | snowbird: actually I don't think too much of swap partitions at all. I mainly just use swapfiles, which are a lot more flexible and pretty much just as fast |
| 02:13.17 | karmatronic | Drgb:why do u need gtk front end anyway (i know that s not a good answer ...) |
| 02:13.21 | geo-rge | like he said, you could build it |
| 02:13.54 | Drgb | karmatronic, 'cause otherwise I will not be able to see XChat on my screen (I suppose) |
| 02:13.59 | Drgb | tell me I'm wrong |
| 02:14.11 | karmatronic | Drgb:dont get you? |
| 02:14.15 | shingouz | Drgb: have you tried installing xchat already? |
| 02:14.35 | geo-rge | Drgb: if you build it against your -existing- libs, it will more than likely build against them |
| 02:14.38 | Drgb | shingouz, I'm using XChat actually, but this version upgrade asks me for that package |
| 02:15.03 | Drgb | geo-rge, the point is that it refuses to configure itself using an older version of that package |
| 02:15.08 | karmatronic | Drgb:but why do u want to upgrade ? |
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| 02:15.26 | Drgb | a: 'cause I'm a luser, and lusers always want new versions |
| 02:15.36 | Drgb | b: 'cause I saw there are some cool new features |
| 02:15.41 | geo-rge | Drgb: why does it refuse? |
| 02:15.46 | karmatronic | Drgb:like what ? |
| 02:15.53 | Drgb | like systray shit |
| 02:16.00 | Drgb | let me check the changelog |
| 02:16.04 | shingouz | Drgb: using packages out of experimental is not for normal people, even sid can bite badly. if you know how to make the experimental packages work, use them. if not, keep your system working and do not screw with the experimental stuff |
| 02:16.05 | Drgb | I don't remember actually |
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| 02:16.24 | LightKnight | peterS: -w and -b didn't do :/ Trying with wdiff... |
| 02:16.30 | Drgb | shingouz, thanks but I was already bitten by experimental packages |
| 02:16.46 | shingouz | i rest my case... ;) |
| 02:16.49 | Drgb | two nights ago I tried apt-get dist-upgrade -t experimental (trying to solve this problem) |
| 02:16.55 | geo-rge | sometimes packages in experimental and sid are not enough to remove themselves properly upon purge or upon plain remove... |
| 02:16.57 | peterS | LightKnight: well, even with -w or -b, diff is still line-based. wdiff looks at words and paragraphs so that is probably what you want |
| 02:16.58 | Drgb | I let you imagine what happened |
| 02:17.10 | geo-rge | heh |
| 02:17.13 | shingouz | reinstall i guess |
| 02:17.18 | Drgb | yes. |
| 02:17.27 | shingouz | !win Drgb |
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| 02:17.28 | Drgb | pure, holy, reinstall. |
| 02:17.28 | dpkg_ | Congratulations, Drgb! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:17.31 | karmatronic | Drgb,that was quite adventurous |
| 02:17.39 | Drgb | karmatronic, not adventurous |
| 02:17.40 | Drgb | stupid |
| 02:17.43 | Drgb | really stupid |
| 02:17.44 | karmatronic | lol |
| 02:18.01 | geo-rge | at least you learned something in the process |
| 02:18.10 | maher | Drgb: if you want to play with experimnental why not do so in a chroot |
| 02:18.11 | snowbird | i got swap seize set how i save it |
| 02:18.18 | Drgb | when I came here to ask some help to apt-get dist-""downgrade"" to unstable |
| 02:18.32 | Drgb | someone told me experimental was not a release |
| 02:18.37 | Drgb | so I shouldn't have ran it |
| 02:18.43 | Drgb | and he was damn right |
| 02:18.48 | geo-rge | I'd like to see. p <enter> and show me the hda2 line |
| 02:18.56 | snowbird | P |
| 02:19.00 | shingouz | Drgb: and downgrading is pretty much impossible unless you do it manually and are very lucky |
| 02:19.01 | snowbird | trying that |
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| 02:19.27 | geo-rge | you can put the one line here. |
| 02:19.39 | Drgb | in fact shingouz the options were the following: |
| 02:19.51 | snowbird | kk hold on |
| 02:19.59 | peterS | Drgb: hehe - indeed, there's a reason why even if you have experimental in sources.list, apt won't use it by default (: |
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| 02:20.03 | Drgb | 1) downgrading EVERY package in a painful one-by-one process |
| 02:20.08 | Drgb | 2) reinstall |
| 02:20.09 | karmatronic | Drgb:which debian are you using ? |
| 02:20.17 | LightKnight | peterS: yeah, seems to be almost what I want. Now, if only I could have an output as near to that of "diff -u" as possible... |
| 02:20.31 | snowbird | not saving |
| 02:20.40 | peterS | LightKnight: diff -u output is line-based, I don't know how you would achieve that in a diff process that must, by your requirements, transcend lines |
| 02:20.47 | geo-rge | what do you mean? |
| 02:21.04 | peterS | LightKnight: but a bit of fancy 'sed' work could color the output so deleted portions are marked in red and inserted portions marked in green, for example |
| 02:21.07 | snowbird | i tried to make swap partion |
| 02:21.10 | snowbird | would save it |
| 02:21.11 | geo-rge | ok |
| 02:21.14 | maher | Drgb: 1) need not be so bad if you didn't pull all that much out of experimental |
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| 02:21.43 | maddash | "su" followed by "echo disk > /sys/power/state" issues, "swsusp: not enough free memory"...wtf? I've got ~650 mb swap free, and only about 250 mb phys mem in use... |
| 02:21.49 | geo-rge | ok, make it again, then show me what you made (do not exit fdisk yet) |
| 02:21.58 | snowbird | ok |
| 02:22.00 | snowbird | 2 |
| 02:22.01 | Drgb | karmatronic, sid |
| 02:22.36 | snowbird | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (9637-9729, default 9729): seizem256 |
| 02:22.38 | snowbird | thatsit |
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| 02:22.53 | snowbird | seize is m256 |
| 02:23.32 | snowbird | cant get it to save |
| 02:23.36 | snowbird | screen is blank |
| 02:23.38 | geo-rge | snowbird: for size, put +256m |
| 02:23.45 | karmatronic | Drgb,and i guess apt-cache search xchat-systray doesnt do anything ....? |
| 02:23.52 | Drgb | yes it does |
| 02:23.58 | Drgb | but you forgot an important point |
| 02:24.04 | Drgb | [03:18:02] Drgb a: 'cause I'm a luser, and lusers always want new versions |
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| 02:24.13 | snowbird | how do i save it |
| 02:24.22 | geo-rge | did it work? |
| 02:24.25 | LightKnight | peterS: yep... I'd just like to have the neighbourhood where text has changed, not the whole document in the output. Let's see if there's an option that suits my needs. |
| 02:24.27 | snowbird | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (9637-9729, default 9729): +256m |
| 02:24.33 | snowbird | thst the line |
| 02:24.37 | karmatronic | Drgb, so ure not ok with sid version of xchat-systray ? |
| 02:24.40 | snowbird | i dont see save it any were |
| 02:24.43 | geo-rge | ok, now do: p <enter> |
| 02:24.51 | geo-rge | (prints the partition table) |
| 02:24.54 | Drgb | I have not tried it |
| 02:24.56 | Drgb | I confess |
| 02:24.58 | geo-rge | and show the hda2 line |
| 02:25.05 | snowbird | done |
| 02:25.09 | peterS | LightKnight: try this: pipe wdiff output to: | perl -pe 'BEGIN {($r,$g,$n)=("\e[31m", "\e[32m", "\e[m")} s/\{\+(.*?)\+\}/$g$1$n/g; s/\[-(.*?)-\]/$r$1$n/g' |
| 02:25.15 | snowbird | come up comand m for help |
| 02:25.39 | peterS | LightKnight: hmmm, I might just write a tiny shell script that invokes wdiff and pipes to that, it might be useful someday |
| 02:25.48 | geo-rge | no, the hda2 line |
| 02:25.51 | snowbird | /dev/hda2 9637 9668 257040 5 Extended |
| 02:25.54 | snowbird | is that right |
| 02:26.00 | geo-rge | no |
| 02:26.08 | snowbird | i did think so |
| 02:26.11 | shingouz | i begin to suspect peterS has to be part machine from the way he types :p |
| 02:26.12 | snowbird | what can i doo |
| 02:26.12 | geo-rge | d <enter> 2 <enter> |
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| 02:27.06 | peterS | shingouz: eh? how so? |
| 02:27.06 | Pc_Dark | hey |
| 02:27.06 | geo-rge | you want to define a primary partition, not extended |
| 02:27.06 | geo-rge | hey |
| 02:27.06 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to make a www directory automatically when adding a user |
| 02:27.06 | LightKnight | peterS: Cool :) |
| 02:27.06 | Pc_Dark | and then http://ip/~user/ |
| 02:27.07 | Pc_Dark | would point to that www dir |
| 02:27.07 | snowbird | d ent 2 ent |
| 02:27.07 | shingouz | ..all the ?$??$???$ and other specials... i guess i better go sleep, i get strange again |
| 02:27.07 | Pc_Dark | i see it on a lot of servers |
| 02:27.07 | snowbird | then waht |
| 02:27.07 | peterS | LightKnight: if you like bolder colors, use 1;31m instead of 31m and 1;32m instead of 32m |
| 02:27.10 | LightKnight | peterS: pity I have to send my diff to a friend, so I'll send the script too :) |
| 02:27.10 | geo-rge | Pc_Dark: well, you could write a script that includes the adduser |
| 02:27.23 | peterS | heh |
| 02:27.30 | Pc_Dark | but i see a lot of servers that have /~user for web |
| 02:27.38 | geo-rge | that's apache stuff |
| 02:28.05 | Pc_Dark | how'd I do it |
| 02:28.15 | Pc_Dark | I'd like to put a www dir in each user account, automatically |
| 02:28.21 | shingouz | eugh! lemmesleep! |
| 02:28.38 | snowbird | i a am in fdisk |
| 02:28.38 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:28.47 | maddash | time |
| 02:28.49 | maddash | .time |
| 02:29.04 | geo-rge | snowbird: remake the partition, but make it primary, not extended |
| 02:29.04 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.11 | snowbird | kk |
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| 02:29.36 | karmatronic | Pc_Dark:search for public_html in apache default httpd.conf file |
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| 02:30.05 | karmatronic | Pc_Dark: and change it |
| 02:30.40 | maher | Pc_Dark: yes - try adding the dir in /etc/skel - but read man adduser and /etc/adduser.conf first - you also need to configure apache to ue th dirs |
| 02:31.04 | bbelt16ag | how do i download the 2.6.18 kernel? so i can install some nvidia drivers.? |
| 02:31.10 | maddash | what's the #debian standard time? |
| 02:31.27 | bbelt16ag | they did away with the .17 so i cant get it from the repos i got on my sources :( |
| 02:31.28 | geo-rge | you can find out... install ntpd and ntpdate :) |
| 02:31.32 | snowbird | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (9637-9729, default 9729): +256m |
| 02:31.35 | snowbird | is that corect |
| 02:31.37 | geo-rge | good |
| 02:31.43 | snowbird | now how i save it |
| 02:31.56 | snowbird | no were to type |
| 02:31.58 | jello | Pc_Dark: it's a setting in your apache.conf |
| 02:32.04 | geo-rge | let's see if you can find it... type m for menu |
| 02:32.10 | geo-rge | m ent |
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| 02:32.58 | snowbird | n add? |
| 02:33.03 | geo-rge | no |
| 02:33.17 | snowbird | o create |
| 02:33.20 | bbelt16ag | :( |
| 02:33.22 | geo-rge | adding didn't save before... |
| 02:33.26 | bbelt16ag | what happen to 2.6.17 ?? |
| 02:33.29 | geo-rge | right? |
| 02:33.33 | snowbird | right |
| 02:33.34 | bbelt16ag | its gone from etch repos ? |
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| 02:33.46 | geo-rge | right now, yuou |
| 02:33.53 | snowbird | yes |
| 02:34.04 | geo-rge | right now, you're in fdisk and you are editing the partition table |
| 02:34.13 | snowbird | right |
| 02:34.24 | Drgb | karmatronic, you know what? It crashed after the first "click" on the Open Browser button |
| 02:34.29 | geo-rge | and the thing you're editing is this ghostly copy of the table, all in ram |
| 02:34.35 | snowbird | right |
| 02:34.36 | Drgb | but I'm half-happy |
| 02:34.37 | karmatronic | belt16ag,ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
| 02:34.41 | geo-rge | but it does no good in ram (as you found out) |
| 02:34.47 | karmatronic | Drgb,sorry for the crash |
| 02:34.53 | Drgb | uhh |
| 02:35.00 | Drgb | why sorry? |
| 02:35.03 | snowbird | right |
| 02:35.08 | geo-rge | keep looking at the m listing |
| 02:35.09 | Drgb | I installed it, I ran it, I crashed |
| 02:35.11 | Drgb | my fault |
| 02:35.12 | karmatronic | Drgb,well i thought it would work |
| 02:35.18 | peterS | bbelt16ag: the debian kernel team really would prefer not to have to maintain more than one kernel version at a time, if possible. since etch will release with 2.6.18, it was time to remove 2.6.17 |
| 02:35.22 | geo-rge | I know you'll find it] |
| 02:35.37 | snowbird | w |
| 02:35.39 | geo-rge | you'll just have to look at the whole thing |
| 02:35.40 | geo-rge | yes. |
| 02:35.52 | snowbird | tried w |
| 02:35.57 | geo-rge | and? |
| 02:36.01 | Drgb | anyway....I try to repeat my question: isn't there any way to run two versions of the same package at the same time? |
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| 02:36.13 | snowbird | dev/hda2 1 32 257008+ 83 Linux |
| 02:36.20 | Drgb | for example: if I compile the new version from sources, should it work? |
| 02:36.27 | geo-rge | oh, right, we have to change the type |
| 02:36.36 | snowbird | what? |
| 02:36.46 | geo-rge | t ent 2 ent 82 ent p ent |
| 02:36.49 | karmatronic | Drgb,yes if you configure with a different install directory |
| 02:37.05 | geo-rge | and if you want to see what t does... look at the m listing |
| 02:37.16 | Drgb | then, different install directory and different read directory to the ./configure script for XChat |
| 02:37.19 | bbelt16ag | peterS: what do i put in apt-get to download the 2.6.18 kernels? |
| 02:37.29 | peterS | bbelt16ag: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.18 |
| 02:37.31 | Drgb | ok, I try |
| 02:37.31 | peterS | bbelt16ag: that will give you a list |
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| 02:38.05 | snowbird | invalid comand |
| 02:38.06 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 02:38.15 | geo-rge | hmm, did you w already? |
| 02:38.27 | snowbird | yeah |
| 02:38.43 | geo-rge | ok... now answer this: are you still in fdisk? |
| 02:38.54 | snowbird | no |
| 02:38.57 | snowbird | geting back in |
| 02:38.58 | geo-rge | aha |
| 02:39.17 | geo-rge | so the invalid command was because fdisk was not the thing interpreting |
| 02:39.21 | karmatronic | george and snowbird,use cfdisk , it smore intuitive and probably available |
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| 02:39.44 | geo-rge | karmatronic: sometimes the low level thing is the best to use tho |
| 02:40.02 | karmatronic | geo,cfdisk and fdisk are quite similar |
| 02:40.13 | snowbird | try t 2 comand |
| 02:40.18 | geo-rge | he's just starting to learn about partitions, linux, the shell... |
| 02:40.35 | geo-rge | ok, and? |
| 02:40.35 | karmatronic | geo,so he should use cfdisk ! |
| 02:40.43 | jello | Drgb: install the one you compile manually into /usr/local |
| 02:40.50 | jello | Drgb: and leave the packaged one in /usr |
| 02:41.06 | geo-rge | he's already using fdisk :) not changing in the middle... (he was using gparted before) |
| 02:41.07 | Drgb | thanks jello |
| 02:41.32 | geo-rge | I did it this way so he could see under the hood a little |
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| 02:42.06 | snowbird | maybe i should give up before i kill the hd |
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| 02:42.24 | geo-rge | snowbird: nono! so far so good. |
| 02:42.32 | snowbird | kk |
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| 02:42.46 | geo-rge | all we have to do is change the type to 82 |
| 02:42.57 | snowbird | how |
| 02:43.10 | geo-rge | t ent 2 ent 82 ent |
| 02:43.12 | geo-rge | p ent |
| 02:43.21 | stoned | huh |
| 02:43.27 | geo-rge | heh |
| 02:43.35 | geo-rge | bub |
| 02:43.43 | stoned | oh enter |
| 02:43.47 | snowbird | were |
| 02:43.55 | snowbird | il try that |
| 02:43.58 | stoned | the flying dutman |
| 02:44.01 | stoned | dutchman |
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| 02:44.27 | LightKnight | peterS: Maybe I've come to a good end :) Many thanks for your patience and help! :-) |
| 02:44.38 | snowbird | primary 2 |
| 02:44.40 | snowbird | back in |
| 02:44.57 | bbelt16ag | dang! |
| 02:44.57 | bbelt16ag | its like night and day from .17 to .18 |
| 02:44.57 | bbelt16ag | my gui problems are alieviated now woot |
| 02:45.12 | geo-rge | snowbird: so is it now type "Linux Swap"? |
| 02:45.15 | karmatronic | bbelt16ag, yes ! |
| 02:45.23 | snowbird | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (9637-9729, default 9729): +256m |
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| 02:45.31 | snowbird | i dont see linux swap yet |
| 02:45.38 | snowbird | ext primary |
| 02:45.42 | snowbird | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (9637-9729, default 9729): +256m |
| 02:45.47 | geo-rge | you don't need new partition. |
| 02:45.53 | snowbird | ok |
| 02:45.55 | geo-rge | just change the type only |
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| 02:46.04 | snowbird | oh ok |
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| 02:46.47 | snowbird | dontr see that option |
| 02:46.59 | geo-rge | t ent 2 ent 82 ent |
| 02:47.03 | geo-rge | p ent |
| 02:47.23 | snowbird | t |
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| 02:47.42 | snowbird | its got syntabx error |
| 02:48.06 | geo-rge | ok, start over... |
| 02:48.10 | geo-rge | hit ctrl-c |
| 02:48.16 | snowbird | go slow i fooked up |
| 02:48.16 | geo-rge | out of fdisk? |
| 02:48.28 | snowbird | yeah confused as hell |
| 02:48.39 | geo-rge | so was fdisk :) |
| 02:48.45 | snowbird | maybe |
| 02:48.45 | n3kl | Is there anything special you have to do to burn a dual layer dvd? |
| 02:48.56 | geo-rge | back to fdisk: fdisk /dev/hda |
| 02:49.09 | snowbird | done |
| 02:49.13 | geo-rge | have a dual layer dvd to burn? |
| 02:49.25 | snowbird | now what? |
| 02:49.32 | geo-rge | ok, look at the partition table (p ent) |
| 02:49.46 | geo-rge | how many partitions are there? |
| 02:49.52 | snowbird | /dev/hda1 * 1 9636 77401138+ 83 Linux |
| 02:50.00 | snowbird | tht it |
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| 02:50.17 | geo-rge | ok, so it turns out you do need to make the new one |
| 02:50.26 | snowbird | yeah |
| 02:50.31 | snowbird | lets go slowly |
| 02:50.39 | snowbird | now waht |
| 02:50.48 | snowbird | what? |
| 02:50.50 | geo-rge | n ent p ent 2 ent ent +256m ent |
| 02:51.01 | n3kl | geo-rge: I just got some. Anything else, other than the hardware? |
| 02:51.31 | snowbird | done |
| 02:51.34 | geo-rge | not sure about the software... cdrecord can't do it? |
| 02:51.38 | snowbird | now p again |
| 02:51.41 | geo-rge | ok, p ent |
| 02:51.46 | snowbird | k3b can do dual alyer |
| 02:51.47 | geo-rge | yeah, look at the table |
| 02:52.01 | snowbird | dev/hda2 9637 9668 257040 83 Linux |
| 02:52.08 | snowbird | thats it |
| 02:52.08 | geo-rge | ok, now do this: |
| 02:52.15 | snowbird | kk |
| 02:52.19 | geo-rge | t ent 2 ent 82 ent |
| 02:52.22 | geo-rge | p ent |
| 02:52.29 | geo-rge | look at the table again |
| 02:52.38 | jello | n3kl: you need wodim |
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| 02:52.47 | snowbird | t82 value out of range |
| 02:52.58 | jello | n3kl: assuming you're using >= etch |
| 02:53.00 | geo-rge | try again |
| 02:53.06 | geo-rge | t ent 2 ent |
| 02:53.10 | geo-rge | then: |
| 02:53.11 | nameless | does exists an nvidia repos with latest drivers ? |
| 02:53.13 | geo-rge | 82 ent |
| 02:53.18 | snowbird | done |
| 02:53.23 | snowbird | says swap |
| 02:53.24 | geo-rge | p ent |
| 02:53.30 | geo-rge | good! |
| 02:53.30 | geo-rge | w |
| 02:53.32 | geo-rge | ent |
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| 02:53.40 | snowbird | what p first or w |
| 02:53.53 | geo-rge | p ent if you want |
| 02:54.13 | snowbird | wdev/hda2 9637 9668 257040 83 Linux |
| 02:54.28 | snowbird | is it 256 mb? |
| 02:54.31 | geo-rge | it's still 83 |
| 02:54.38 | geo-rge | yes, approx |
| 02:54.43 | snowbird | /dev/hda2 9637 9668 257040 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 02:54.48 | geo-rge | good. |
| 02:54.54 | nameless | :E |
| 02:54.54 | snowbird | no reeboot? |
| 02:54.55 | geo-rge | now w ent |
| 02:55.17 | karmatronic | nameless,u just get it at their site |
| 02:55.20 | snowbird | woh oh back at create |
| 02:55.33 | geo-rge | did you w? |
| 02:55.41 | snowbird | must of |
| 02:55.49 | geo-rge | ok,,, try the reboot |
| 02:55.51 | nameless | yes, but how install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-686 ? |
| 02:55.54 | snowbird | kk |
| 02:55.59 | maddash | i got a 1089% speed increase using debian... |
| 02:56.16 | peterS | only 1089 percent? |
| 02:56.33 | geo-rge | maddash: instead of multitiered and clustered abacusses? |
| 02:56.48 | rahul | heh |
| 02:56.49 | maddash | geo-rge: yep |
| 02:56.55 | maddash | geo-rge: called "ubuntu" |
| 02:57.07 | geo-rge | that's gotta be the kernel |
| 02:57.20 | streuner | heh |
| 02:57.29 | geo-rge | well educated guess |
| 02:57.30 | cwheeler | where do i find docs on making my joystick work? |
| 02:57.31 | rahul | gotta be the shoes |
| 02:57.36 | maddash | I have a harem of asian teenagers who memorize numbers for me |
| 02:57.39 | streuner | that's a fucking lie |
| 02:57.47 | cwheeler | cool maddash |
| 02:57.50 | jello | cwheeler: it should "just work" |
| 02:58.01 | cwheeler | i could use some for sysadmins |
| 02:58.05 | geo-rge | guarding the unix? |
| 02:58.15 | cwheeler | jello it needs to be plugged in at boot time? |
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| 02:58.21 | rahul | cwheeler: did you load the joystick driver for your sound card? |
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| 02:58.23 | jello | cwheeler: is it usb? |
| 02:58.26 | snowbird | back |
| 02:58.29 | rahul | or that |
| 02:58.31 | cwheeler | I have 2 soundcards/gameports |
| 02:58.36 | geo-rge | ok. fdisk -l |
| 02:58.46 | geo-rge | how many partitions? |
| 02:58.49 | cwheeler | yes i modprobed the driver and gameport was loaded |
| 02:58.50 | snowbird | run like hell geo] |
| 02:59.01 | cwheeler | how do i get it to use the soundcard I want? |
| 02:59.02 | maddash | if I download linux-source-$(uname -r) and compile it using /boot/config-($uname -r), it ought to work, right? |
| 02:59.04 | rahul | cwheeler: you need to load the driver for the joystick, too |
| 02:59.09 | snowbird | 1 |
| 02:59.22 | geo-rge | snowbird: I'm getting the strong feeling you've been in my position before... |
| 02:59.31 | cwheeler | rahul: sidewinder.ko for example? |
| 02:59.33 | jello | maddash: you mean for a debian/kernel? |
| 02:59.36 | snowbird | what postion? |
| 02:59.37 | rahul | cwheeler: yes |
| 02:59.40 | geo-rge | helper |
| 02:59.46 | snowbird | maybe |
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| 02:59.52 | snowbird | i have some help |
| 02:59.55 | snowbird | not that |
| 03:00.06 | cwheeler | how do i make sure I use the soundblaster sound card and not the on board sound? |
| 03:00.10 | snowbird | should hide under desk raise flag for remote |
| 03:00.17 | rahul | cwheeler: hmm, I think it'll just use all of them |
| 03:00.22 | geo-rge | Gumby_: your brain is on #perl... |
| 03:00.24 | rahul | cwheeler: are you using alsa? |
| 03:00.25 | streuner | cwheeler: BIOS |
| 03:00.29 | maddash | jello: yes. i'm using $(uname -r) version of etch right now |
| 03:00.40 | cwheeler | I think so I'm using whatever etch installed |
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| 03:00.43 | rahul | yeah or just disable the onboard crap completely in bios |
| 03:00.45 | snowbird | geo-maybe should fire up g parted? |
| 03:01.01 | karmatronic | or use cfdisk |
| 03:01.03 | jello | maddash: just run apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 03:01.05 | geo-rge | snowbird: we'll try this once more |
| 03:01.08 | cwheeler | all I did was modprobe sidewinder, js_demo isn't finding the joystick |
| 03:01.08 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:01.14 | snowbird | fdisk |
| 03:01.16 | geo-rge | DO NOT get ahead of me |
| 03:01.18 | jello | maddash: why do you want it anyhow? |
| 03:01.21 | geo-rge | ok? |
| 03:01.26 | cwheeler | perhaps i should compile my own kernel |
| 03:01.42 | streuner | cwheeler: so you have 2 soundcards installed? |
| 03:01.45 | jello | cwheeler: nah, check syslog... does it show it detected? |
| 03:01.55 | snowbird | iam in fdiskl |
| 03:01.56 | streuner | 1 onboard and one in the mobo? |
| 03:01.58 | maddash | jello: the one available via repos if optimized for PPro...I'm using a Pentium. plus, I want to compile fglrx into the kernel. |
| 03:02.04 | cwheeler | no dmesg doesn't show the joystick |
| 03:02.12 | jello | cwheeler: you may have to pass options to your soundcard to activate the joystick port |
| 03:02.13 | snowbird | n first |
| 03:02.20 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, no getting ahead of me... don't do anything without me saying so |
| 03:02.32 | cwheeler | streuner mb has a sound chipset but I want to use a soundblaster |
| 03:02.35 | snowbird | right |
| 03:02.39 | streuner | cwheeler: BIOS |
| 03:02.40 | cwheeler | it's using the soundblaster for sound now |
| 03:02.44 | maddash | jello: but the compiled result should work, right? the previous kernel I tried to compile (version 2.6.18.7) oops-ed on me (could not find sda5 root partition or something). |
| 03:02.52 | geo-rge | n ent p ent |
| 03:02.53 | streuner | cwheeler: disable the onboard chip in BIOS |
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| 03:03.02 | geo-rge | what does it say now? |
| 03:03.09 | jello | maddash: you probably didn't generate an initrd for it... |
| 03:03.10 | cwheeler | I will check that streuner |
| 03:03.17 | snowbird | partion 1-4 |
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| 03:03.23 | maddash | jello: omg...I have to do that too? |
| 03:03.24 | tarzeau | They think we are retarded. They are retarded. |
| 03:03.26 | karmatronic | maddash,what you are trying to do is a make oldconfig from your new sources |
| 03:03.28 | snowbird | pick 2? |
| 03:03.30 | geo-rge | so you say 2 |
| 03:03.35 | geo-rge | and ent |
| 03:03.43 | jello | maddash: yes, that's why it's better to use packaged kernels |
| 03:03.43 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:03.44 | maddash | jello: I used make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot [etc etc] |
| 03:03.49 | geo-rge | and it says? |
| 03:03.56 | karmatronic | maddash, and you dont necessary need an initrd |
| 03:03.58 | snowbird | first cy defalt |
| 03:04.07 | geo-rge | accept the default: ent |
| 03:04.13 | geo-rge | now what? |
| 03:04.19 | snowbird | last cylinder |
| 03:04.23 | jello | karmatronic: he does if he compiles his root fs as a module... |
| 03:04.25 | geo-rge | +256m |
| 03:04.28 | geo-rge | ent |
| 03:04.28 | pstickne | maddash, I use the config from the default kernels when building a custom one. |
| 03:04.31 | orkid | etch release? |
| 03:04.34 | cwheeler | soundcard driver params are in linux/Documentation? |
| 03:04.36 | snowbird | kk ent |
| 03:04.37 | karmatronic | maddash, only if you put some important stuff (file system , chipset of your moyherboard,...) as modules |
| 03:04.46 | geo-rge | and it replies? |
| 03:05.00 | maddash | karmatronic: I'm confused...do I sudo cp /boot/config-[...] /usr/src/linux[...]/.config ? or do I make oldconfig? |
| 03:05.02 | snowbird | comand m for help |
| 03:05.06 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 03:05.08 | geo-rge | t ent |
| 03:05.23 | snowbird | then partion number |
| 03:05.26 | geo-rge | 2 |
| 03:05.38 | snowbird | hex code |
| 03:05.42 | snowbird | 82 |
| 03:05.42 | geo-rge | 82 |
| 03:05.43 | karmatronic | maddash , first make a copy of your current kernel and its config file |
| 03:05.46 | geo-rge | right |
| 03:05.51 | geo-rge | and then? |
| 03:05.53 | snowbird | m again |
| 03:05.53 | maddash | jello: how do I know if I compiled the root fs as a module? |
| 03:05.56 | snowbird | i type w |
| 03:05.57 | geo-rge | w |
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| 03:06.05 | jello | maddash: check the config |
| 03:06.10 | karmatronic | maddash , and a copy of /lib/modules/yourcurrentkernel |
| 03:06.10 | geo-rge | and it says? |
| 03:06.17 | snowbird | rewrite table |
| 03:06.20 | maddash | karmatronic: don't think I need to...I added a --revision and --appent-to-verson in make-kpkg |
| 03:06.23 | jello | maddash: what is your root fs? ext3? |
| 03:06.27 | snowbird | new table atr next booooot |
| 03:06.30 | snowbird | press p |
| 03:06.33 | maddash | jello: yes |
| 03:06.40 | maddash | jello: what am I looking for in .config? |
| 03:06.46 | snowbird | back at root |
| 03:06.49 | geo-rge | you are out of fdisk, yes? w exits... |
| 03:06.56 | snowbird | it kicked me out of fdisk |
| 03:07.08 | snowbird | right |
| 03:07.19 | geo-rge | ok, try rebooting... seems good this time |
| 03:07.21 | snowbird | re wrote table |
| 03:07.25 | snowbird | kk brb |
| 03:07.26 | jello | maddash: grep CONFIG_EXT3_FS /boot/config-... |
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| 03:07.39 | jello | maddash: if it's =m, then it's a module |
| 03:07.40 | karmatronic | maddash , grep CONFIG_EXT3_FS .config |
| 03:07.51 | jello | maddash: which is usually the case with debian kernels... |
| 03:08.34 | maddash | jello: so I should chg it to "m"? |
| 03:08.37 | geo-rge | so you have a choice... you can either use --initrd when you make-kpkg,,., or |
| 03:08.39 | maddash | jello: so I should chg it to "y"**? |
| 03:08.47 | geo-rge | change to y |
| 03:09.00 | geo-rge | maddash: two choices |
| 03:09.04 | maddash | geo-rge: was that for me? |
| 03:09.07 | geo-rge | yes |
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| 03:09.18 | karmatronic | maddash, you dont have to change it to module but if you do , be aware you ll need an initrd |
| 03:09.36 | jello | maddash: if you're going the "compile it in" methond, make sure you get everything you need in order to boot |
| 03:09.47 | jello | s/methond/method/ |
| 03:09.49 | maddash | karmatronic: ahh. so I have to make initrd in a step seperate from make-kpkg kernel_image? |
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| 03:09.58 | geo-rge | you can get a package capable of building an initrd when installed |
| 03:10.12 | jello | maddash: no, you give the --initrd option to make-kpkg |
| 03:10.20 | karmatronic | yes |
| 03:10.23 | geo-rge | all you have to do is have the supporting packages installed, then do what jello just said |
| 03:10.33 | geo-rge | you probably do have those installed |
| 03:10.54 | maddash | jello: crap. I'm running a make-kpkg right now (with the linux-source from repos [ not kernel.org])...do I have to restart it? |
| 03:11.23 | maddash | geo-rge: "supporting packages"? for make-kpkg -ing successfully, right? |
| 03:11.26 | geo-rge | maddash: if you didn't --initrd, yes... and debian/rules clean too |
| 03:11.31 | jello | maddash: yes |
| 03:11.38 | jello | maddash: apt-get install initramfs-tools |
| 03:11.53 | geo-rge | maddash: to get the initrdey stuff to work |
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| 03:12.00 | snowbird | back |
| 03:12.04 | geo-rge | fdisk -l |
| 03:12.19 | karmatronic | maddash, i suspect you are building your new kernel using the config file from your default installation , is that right ? |
| 03:12.19 | geo-rge | look at the listing |
| 03:12.19 | maddash | karmatronic: yes |
| 03:12.22 | snowbird | got swap |
| 03:12.22 | geo-rge | how many |
| 03:12.27 | geo-rge | ok good |
| 03:12.33 | anapivirtua_ | Pom Pom Pom all (hi) |
| 03:12.34 | karmatronic | maddash, then you definitely need an initrd file |
| 03:12.36 | snowbird | /dev/hda2 9637 9668 257040 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 03:12.42 | geo-rge | now, mkswap /dev/hda2 |
| 03:12.46 | snowbird | dev/hda1 * 1 9636 77401138+ 83 Linux |
| 03:12.49 | geo-rge | (whew. finally.) |
| 03:12.52 | jello | maddash: make that yaird or initrd-tools |
| 03:12.57 | snowbird | were i make swap |
| 03:13.03 | jello | maddash: not initramfs-tools |
| 03:13.05 | geo-rge | at root prompt |
| 03:13.12 | snowbird | done |
| 03:13.29 | geo-rge | now we edit your fstab |
| 03:13.35 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:13.38 | geo-rge | nano /etc/fstab |
| 03:13.41 | karmatronic | maddash , cos default debian install uses mostly modules |
| 03:13.43 | snowbird | back in fdisk? |
| 03:13.46 | geo-rge | look for the swap line |
| 03:13.55 | geo-rge | no! we are done with fdisk |
| 03:13.55 | maddash | karmatronic: how do you mean? |
| 03:14.25 | karmatronic | maddash , i mean : do a lsmod and check with modinfo some of the modules |
| 03:14.30 | geo-rge | fdisk has done its job already |
| 03:14.31 | snowbird | ev/hda1 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 |
| 03:14.35 | snowbird | whats that |
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| 03:14.53 | snowbird | # /dev/hda5 none swap sw |
| 03:14.56 | geo-rge | that's for mounting your / partition (which is most of your drive |
| 03:14.59 | geo-rge | ) |
| 03:15.07 | karmatronic | maddash, if you want to know if you will need an initrd |
| 03:15.09 | snowbird | now what? |
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| 03:15.17 | geo-rge | take away the # |
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| 03:15.23 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:15.28 | geo-rge | and |
| 03:15.30 | maddash | !initrd |
| 03:15.30 | dpkg_ | hmm... initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 03:15.44 | geo-rge | change /dev/hda5 to /dev/hda2 |
| 03:15.51 | snowbird | ctr x |
| 03:16.07 | snowbird | no hd 5 |
| 03:16.19 | karmatronic | maddash, if you want to know if you will need an initrd |
| 03:16.25 | geo-rge | you don't have a hda5 anymore, so you have to change it so it says /dev/hda2 |
| 03:16.39 | karmatronic | just see if you have a sata disk , or sata chipset on motherboard |
| 03:16.40 | maddash | karmatronic: what module am I looking for? |
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| 03:16.48 | maddash | karmatronic: that's a definite yes |
| 03:16.59 | karmatronic | maddash, do you know if you have a sata disk , or sata chipset on motherboard ? |
| 03:17.03 | maddash | karmatronic: I thought libata and ata_piix were enough |
| 03:17.17 | maddash | karmatronic: that's a definite yes |
| 03:17.34 | snowbird | done |
| 03:17.49 | g333k | hi, why when I try to open a php file firefox ask to what to do with it? |
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| 03:17.53 | geo-rge | maddash: so you have a sata disk AND you have a sata controller on the motherboard? |
| 03:18.21 | karmatronic | maddash , in that case check in your lsmod to find which module is managing that chipset |
| 03:18.21 | snowbird | so exit? |
| 03:18.21 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, save it |
| 03:18.24 | karmatronic | maddash , lsmod | grep ata |
| 03:18.29 | snowbird | i forget how to get out |
| 03:18.34 | karmatronic | should do the trick |
| 03:18.37 | snowbird | shift x |
| 03:18.39 | maddash | geo-rge: pata hd, sata-pata bridge |
| 03:18.47 | geo-rge | no you didn't :) ctrl x |
| 03:18.52 | snowbird | ahh |
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| 03:19.04 | maddash | karmatronic: libata and ata-piix...both of which are "m"-ed in the .config |
| 03:19.06 | geo-rge | shift x just makes a capital x insert into your document |
| 03:19.13 | snowbird | done |
| 03:19.15 | geo-rge | so be careful you have the file right |
| 03:19.26 | snowbird | done |
| 03:19.28 | snowbird | now waht |
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| 03:19.38 | geo-rge | look at the output of... free |
| 03:19.40 | snowbird | want to make another partion? |
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| 03:19.51 | geo-rge | how much swap does it say you have |
| 03:19.51 | g333k | hi, why when I try to open a php file firefox want to download it? |
| 03:19.51 | karmatronic | maddash, lsmod | grep ext |
| 03:19.56 | maddash | karmatronic: make oldconfig vs. straight copying .config out of /boot? |
| 03:20.10 | snowbird | in were swap in fdisk |
| 03:20.20 | geo-rge | type: free ent |
| 03:20.23 | maddash | karmatronic: ext3, jbd, mbcache |
| 03:20.26 | karmatronic | maddash, cant tell u , i dont like make oldconfig |
| 03:20.35 | snowbird | dev/hda2 none swap sw |
| 03:20.37 | snowbird | none |
| 03:20.45 | maddash | karmatronic: so you straight cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config?? |
| 03:20.45 | Azar | g333k: your nick is misleading: check the url of the file you need to open.. |
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| 03:20.57 | snowbird | odd no swap |
| 03:21.03 | geo-rge | karmatronic: but it's often handy for bringing a config file for a prev version up to date |
| 03:21.11 | g333k | Azar, I'm opening the test.php in my computer |
| 03:21.11 | geo-rge | snowbird: swapon -a |
| 03:21.32 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:21.38 | maddash | geo-rge so do straight copy from /boot, then make oldconfig? |
| 03:21.39 | geo-rge | snowbird: free |
| 03:21.44 | Azar | g333k: maybe it installs the file before opening it.. |
| 03:21.53 | snowbird | were |
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| 03:22.05 | karmatronic | maddash, if you compile libata and ata_pixx as module or ext3 , you will need an initrd |
| 03:22.08 | Azar | is that a ftp or http? |
| 03:22.13 | geo-rge | maddash: well wait... did you already run make menuconfig and made changes? |
| 03:22.14 | snowbird | Swap: 257032 0 257032 |
| 03:22.27 | geo-rge | snowbird: so you have swap now? |
| 03:22.32 | snowbird | yeah |
| 03:22.37 | maddash | geo-rge: no, I fresh untarred the source and just cp'ed the old config from /boot |
| 03:22.39 | snowbird | 256964 |
| 03:22.43 | geo-rge | ok, reboot and see if you still have it |
| 03:22.56 | snowbird | ok |
| 03:23.01 | geo-rge | maddash: ok, first go into the fresh untar,,, |
| 03:23.36 | geo-rge | run make mrproper |
| 03:23.36 | snowbird | what abought that outher partion |
| 03:23.37 | karmatronic | maddash, if you compile libata and ata_pixx and ext3 as built in , you dont need initrd |
| 03:23.37 | geo-rge | you only have a coupla gigs left :P |
| 03:23.37 | g333k | Azar, I think I have to configure something i apache or php.ini |
| 03:23.37 | snowbird | should have more |
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| 03:23.39 | snowbird | 6 gigs used or 80 gig |
| 03:23.44 | snowbird | should be free space |
| 03:23.48 | syberdave | i'm trying to have a thin client (X over the network), but ESD isn't too good at forwarding sound. does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 03:23.48 | Azar | g333k: my bad I thought you were just surfing the net |
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| 03:24.00 | maddash | maddash: mrproper? what's that do? |
| 03:24.01 | geo-rge | I thought I saw that you have a 77g / |
| 03:24.07 | snowbird | right |
| 03:24.16 | snowbird | 77 gig |
| 03:24.20 | snowbird | thats a 80 |
| 03:24.25 | snowbird | and 70 free |
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| 03:24.39 | Azar | geo-rge is under fire, two students at once |
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| 03:24.50 | snowbird | one idut here |
| 03:24.53 | maddash | azar: care to unburden him? what's make mrproper? |
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| 03:25.05 | snowbird | stuped is a shot one |
| 03:25.16 | Azar | maddash: newbie here but I used it too... is some debian tool |
| 03:25.19 | snowbird | cant sware peice of sh __t one hre |
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| 03:25.28 | maddash | geo-rge: ah nvm...ok, any .configs are gone now...next step? |
| 03:25.36 | maddash | geo-rge: make oldconfig? |
| 03:26.05 | snowbird | 69. gigs free |
| 03:26.05 | geo-rge | now copy the config from /boot |
| 03:26.21 | maddash | geo-rge: make oldconfig after that? |
| 03:26.26 | geo-rge | snowbird: 69?? I misread the number then :) |
| 03:26.26 | geo-rge | yes |
| 03:26.28 | snowbird | un alocated 478,50 mb |
| 03:26.31 | karmatronic | maddash, which kernel are you currently running ? |
| 03:26.40 | snowbird | lets get rid of unallocated |
| 03:26.43 | maddash | karmatronic: etch 2.6.18.3 |
| 03:26.47 | karmatronic | maddash,which kernel sources have u downloaded? |
| 03:26.50 | snowbird | aand make 20 gig partion |
| 03:27.06 | geo-rge | snowbird: in one partition, all the unallocated space? |
| 03:27.19 | maddash | karmatronic: well, I was traumatized after my fiasco w/2.6.19.1, so I downloaded the src for the same kernel |
| 03:27.19 | snowbird | no |
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| 03:27.28 | geo-rge | ok, then what? :) |
| 03:27.31 | maddash | karmatronic: that's why I used $(uname -r) before |
| 03:27.37 | snowbird | then maybe hidden |
| 03:27.58 | karmatronic | maddash, then why do you want to compile a new kernel ? |
| 03:28.03 | geo-rge | hidden? I dunno how to do that |
| 03:28.07 | maddash | geo-rge: so, "make mrproper" --> "cp /boot/config-$(uname -r)" --> "make oldconfig" --> "make-kpkg"? |
| 03:28.15 | kritical | Hi there, my debian server was running sweet for several days when it started getting this error (http://pastebin.com/853233) after rebooting the problem is gone but I fear it's only a matter of time until it happens again, can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be? |
| 03:28.19 | snowbird | i dont why its showing up like that |
| 03:28.20 | geo-rge | almost... |
| 03:28.24 | maddash | karmatronic: that one's optimized for ppro. I'm running a P-M. |
| 03:28.25 | snowbird | on outside of partion |
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| 03:28.40 | geo-rge | let make oldconfig run its course... does it get to the end? |
| 03:28.56 | maddash | karmatronic: plus I want to see if I could compile fglrx and swsusp2 into the kernel |
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| 03:29.15 | unlink | what's a friendly frontend to smbclient? |
| 03:29.16 | karmatronic | maddash,ok |
| 03:29.27 | karmatronic | unlink, linneighborhood |
| 03:29.28 | geo-rge | the config from your /boot has most of the questions already answered... so make oldconfig should make it whiz by all the way |
| 03:29.32 | snowbird | geo-rge how what i make new partion back to f disk? |
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| 03:29.44 | maddash | geo-rge: yes. make oldconfig all done |
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| 03:30.07 | geo-rge | maddash: ok, you may wish to backup that .config |
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| 03:30.26 | maddash | geo-rge: why? does make-kpkg alter it? |
| 03:30.27 | unlink | oh smbfs |
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| 03:30.45 | karmatronic | maddash, i insist,since you re compiling against same kernel version , make a copy of your current kernel , of the config file and the /lib/module |
| 03:31.00 | geo-rge | but after that, make menuconfig or xconfig, then definitely back it up, because that will be your working .config at that point |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | who's in charge here? |
| 03:31.17 | snowbird | not me iam in corner |
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| 03:31.26 | maddash | karmatronic: did it already (after you told me before) |
| 03:31.30 | geo-rge | then make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 03:31.36 | karmatronic | maddash, ok |
| 03:31.42 | maddash | geo-rge: thanks |
| 03:31.51 | snowbird | geo-rge picked me up trew me in corner with hunderead books |
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| 03:32.44 | geo-rge | what you get from that is a package with that kernel you can install on any compatible machine, and it will build the initrd when you install that package |
| 03:32.46 | g333k | Hi, I have enabled the php5 module, but whwn I try to restart apache2 I receive this output: http://pastebin.ca/309008 any clue? |
| 03:33.10 | maddash | geo-rge: why kernel_headers? is there a later step I'll need to take after make-kpkg? |
| 03:33.27 | maddash | geo-rge: oh, never mind |
| 03:33.32 | geo-rge | maddash: you might like to build modules after the fact |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | reinstall libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 03:33.55 | geo-rge | abrotman: fasblemy! |
| 03:33.57 | kritical | Hi there, my debian server was running sweet for several days when it started getting this error (http://pastebin.com/853233) after rebooting the problem is gone but I fear it's only a matter of time until it happens again, can anyone help me figure out what the problem might be? |
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| 03:34.18 | g333k | abrotman, same thing |
| 03:34.31 | abrotman | kritical: someting wrong with your NIC or the driver |
| 03:34.33 | abrotman | g333k: ? |
| 03:34.42 | abrotman | g333k: oh .. restart apache |
| 03:34.59 | abrotman | !find lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so etch |
| 03:35.06 | g333k | abrotman, yep it is still failing |
| 03:35.14 | dpkg_ | Debian Search of 'lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so' (1): (/usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so) in net/libapache2-mod-php5. |
| 03:35.24 | abrotman | g333k: does the file actually exist ? |
| 03:35.49 | geo-rge | maddash: so you know... I don't like oldconfig either, not for actually editing my config |
| 03:36.06 | karmatronic | Kritical,did you add some memory to your system ? |
| 03:36.10 | g333k | abrotman, nop |
| 03:36.11 | snowbird | got to reeboot |
| 03:36.20 | Azar | geo-rge was in charge helping two people in the same time |
| 03:36.24 | maddash | geo-rge: what's wrong with old config? |
| 03:36.28 | g333k | abrotman, /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so doesnt exist |
| 03:36.36 | geo-rge | not good user interface |
| 03:36.40 | abrotman | damn well should |
| 03:36.48 | geo-rge | Azar: you ain't seen nuthin :P |
| 03:36.51 | Azar | the duck ate it |
| 03:36.55 | multi_io | any information on when kernel 2.6.19 will be added to unstable? |
| 03:37.01 | maddash | geo-rge: too much text scrolling by? why not "less make oldconfig"? |
| 03:37.06 | Azar | :) im watching too and learning |
| 03:37.19 | Wyzard | abrotman: The dm-crypt patch fixed the corruption problems :-) |
| 03:37.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: how was VT ? |
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| 03:37.32 | geo-rge | maddash: say you didn't have a config yet, and you ran make oldconfig... |
| 03:37.45 | maddash | geo-rge: LOL |
| 03:37.51 | Azar | multi_io: no word yet all I read is that .19 is fulla bugs |
| 03:37.55 | geo-rge | that's why :) |
| 03:38.01 | Wyzard | abrotman: The conditions kinda sucked, so I didn't do much skiing... fortunately I brought my laptop |
| 03:38.02 | abrotman | Wyzard: did you submit a bug report at all ? |
| 03:38.10 | abrotman | Wyzard: doh! .. that stinks |
| 03:38.25 | Azar | abrotman: you going to debconf? |
| 03:38.35 | abrotman | Azar: are you? |
| 03:38.37 | geo-rge | where is it this time |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | geo-rge: edinburgh scotland |
| 03:38.48 | Azar | abrotman: no such luck , not a dev |
| 03:38.52 | maddash | sudo aptitude install debconf |
| 03:38.53 | Wyzard | abrotman: The bug is known and is already fixed in 2.6.19... I just hadn't known about it until I came across the patch for 2.6.18 to fix it |
| 03:38.58 | maddash | geo-rge: sudo aptitude install debconf |
| 03:39.00 | abrotman | Azar: neither am i .. you don't have to be to go |
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| 03:39.09 | geo-rge | coincidentally, I saw a guy in a kilt in the store today |
| 03:39.15 | Azar | scottland in winter... not attractive |
| 03:39.17 | abrotman | Wyzard: sure .. but etch will release with the bug .. file a bug report! |
| 03:39.27 | abrotman | Azar: scotland in summer |
| 03:39.40 | geo-rge | maddash: that's installed in the base :) |
| 03:39.40 | karmatronic | buddys, im leaving , going to sleep ... |
| 03:39.50 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's already in the BTS and the patch will be included in the next version of the linux-2.6 source package |
| 03:40.02 | g333k | abrotman, so, how to solve my problem? |
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| 03:40.08 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah ok |
| 03:40.10 | snowbird | back stil got swap |
| 03:40.12 | maddash | geo-rge: is it not unusual to get some warning while make-kpkg-ing? |
| 03:40.16 | abrotman | g333k: the module should be part of the package |
| 03:40.22 | abrotman | https://debconf7.debconf.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 03:40.34 | geo-rge | abrotman: oho, so you weren't ignoring me for the past 3-5 hours :) |
| 03:40.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: I learned of it when I came across a message on the debian-kernel list that talked about getting it fixed for etch :-) |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | geo-rge: you didn't talk to me! |
| 03:41.03 | geo-rge | I know |
| 03:41.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: ah .. okay |
| 03:41.12 | geo-rge | I figured you might tho |
| 03:41.15 | Azar | abrotman: you did not asked for help |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | g333k: and that's not a conf file |
| 03:41.24 | geo-rge | wouldn't blame you one bit |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | Azar: do i normally ? |
| 03:41.43 | snowbird | geo-rge, |
| 03:41.47 | snowbird | swap here still |
| 03:41.53 | g333k | abrotman, what do I have to do then? |
| 03:41.59 | snowbird | like to make 20 gig partion |
| 03:42.03 | abrotman | g333k: purge it .. reinstall it |
| 03:42.06 | geo-rge | snowbird: ok, that's after reboot, and you didn't have to do anything right? |
| 03:42.06 | snowbird | hop back into fdisk? |
| 03:42.10 | Azar | < abrotman> geo-rge: you didn't talk to me! |
| 03:42.14 | snowbird | right |
| 03:42.16 | Azar | :) |
| 03:42.39 | karmatronic | maddash,geo: what i usually do when compiling new kernel for a new machine is using the one there:wget http://people.via.ecp.fr/~alexis/formation-linux/config/config-2.6.x |
| 03:42.46 | g333k | abrotman, libapache-mod-php5? |
| 03:42.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:42.54 | geo-rge | snowbird: so... /etc/fdisk is the file read to mount partitions at boot time |
| 03:43.02 | karmatronic | maddash,geo:and adjusting it , |
| 03:43.13 | karmatronic | bye |
| 03:43.29 | geo-rge | and while swap is not technically "mounted" it's in there too |
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| 03:43.45 | maddash | karmatronic: whoa french. |
| 03:43.53 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 03:43.55 | maddash | karmatronic: why pick that one? |
| 03:43.56 | karmatronic | oui |
| 03:44.12 | snowbird | geo-rge |
| 03:44.14 | maddash | karmatronic: that's yours? |
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| 03:44.25 | geo-rge | snowbird: understand all that? |
| 03:44.27 | karmatronic | maddash, that s not mine |
| 03:44.30 | snowbird | yeah |
| 03:44.49 | karmatronic | maddash, but i t s basic and good to begin with |
| 03:44.51 | snowbird | how would i make a 20 gig partion |
| 03:45.03 | snowbird | take space from /dev 1 |
| 03:45.07 | geo-rge | ok... if you want to know exact details of /etc/fstab.... then: man 5 fstab |
| 03:45.14 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:45.15 | karmatronic | maddash, but that means you have to check for your hardware from there |
| 03:45.24 | karmatronic | maddash , doing a lspci |
| 03:45.30 | snowbird | if i make a 20 gig partion how many mbs |
| 03:45.41 | geo-rge | 20,000 |
| 03:45.46 | karmatronic | maddash, finding out which sound card you re using |
| 03:45.47 | g333k | abrotman, same problem |
| 03:45.55 | g333k | abrotman, is that a bug? |
| 03:45.58 | abrotman | g333k: it's not a conf file |
| 03:46.04 | geo-rge | but you should be able to say +20g |
| 03:46.05 | abrotman | g333k: i doubt it .. i suspect it's your box |
| 03:46.13 | geo-rge | or +20000m |
| 03:46.26 | maddash | karmatronic: well, the sound didn't work with my current setup until aptitude-ed alsa-base, alsa-utils and libesd0 |
| 03:46.27 | jello | geo-rge: 20480m |
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| 03:46.38 | maddash | karmatronic: any chance I could compile it into the kernel? |
| 03:46.42 | geo-rge | jello: oh, ok |
| 03:46.46 | karmatronic | maddash,yeah |
| 03:46.54 | karmatronic | maddash, lsmod | grep snd |
| 03:47.12 | g333k | abrotman, so how can I solve this problem? reinstalling php5 and apache2? |
| 03:47.19 | snowbird | cant say 20 g |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | g333k: sure ... try it |
| 03:47.38 | geo-rge | snowbird: no? howcome? |
| 03:47.56 | snowbird | not a c\option |
| 03:47.58 | maddash | karmatronic: how do I compile the kernel so that all those modules are rolled into it already? |
| 03:48.19 | karmatronic | maddash, dont understand the question ? |
| 03:48.22 | jello | maddash: change the "m" into "y" in the config |
| 03:48.24 | geo-rge | you're right, just checked... so: +20480m |
| 03:48.36 | geo-rge | like jello said |
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| 03:48.57 | maddash | jello: so make-kpkg automatically looks in /usr/src/modules? |
| 03:49.06 | jello | maddash: huh? |
| 03:49.29 | geo-rge | maddash: rolled into... the kernel? the initrd? |
| 03:49.48 | jello | maddash: yes it does... |
| 03:49.54 | jello | iirc |
| 03:49.56 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:49.57 | karmatronic | maddash , it looks in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 03:50.02 | jetscreamer | maddash: make-kpkg --targets, you need to specify modules, iirc |
| 03:50.06 | geo-rge | when you do the make-kpkg it compiles from the source, including for the modules |
| 03:50.16 | jetscreamer | if 3rd party modules |
| 03:50.32 | maddash | geo-rge: so what if I'm using a third party module? |
| 03:50.35 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: I had him also build kernel_headers |
| 03:50.43 | cwheeler | if my joystick is detected js0 will appear in /dev/input on it's own correct? |
| 03:50.47 | maddash | geo-rge: got it |
| 03:51.02 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: yes, but many things look for it in /dev |
| 03:51.06 | jello | cwheeler: yes, udev will put it there... |
| 03:51.18 | jetscreamer | i amended my udev rules to put it in /dev |
| 03:51.22 | brick | what are all the layers that might be responsible for blanking my LCD screen and turning off its backlight? BIOS, linux kernel, userspace programs...? (currently it blanks without turning off the backlight, which wastes a lot of power) |
| 03:51.31 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 03:51.41 | jetscreamer | there is a backlight module, all i know |
| 03:51.44 | maddash | karmatronic: but the sources aren't in /lib/modules... |
| 03:51.46 | cwheeler | i will reboot soon and disable the onboard sound board |
| 03:51.59 | geo-rge | maddash: for each (potential) driver... it sees what to do from the config file... which could be... don't include it at all... build it into the kernel.... build it as a module |
| 03:52.05 | karmatronic | maddash, my mistake, i meant kernel looks there when loading |
| 03:52.10 | snowbird | shift w saves in fdisk? |
| 03:52.18 | geo-rge | w |
| 03:52.20 | jetscreamer | cfdisk |
| 03:52.27 | karmatronic | snow, i told you to use cfdisk :)) |
| 03:52.27 | geo-rge | well maybe shift w |
| 03:52.32 | jetscreamer | cfdisk makes you do shift w |
| 03:52.39 | jetscreamer | type m in fdisk for a menu |
| 03:52.47 | maddash | geo-rge: what if i have a module that isn't listed in the config file? |
| 03:52.54 | jetscreamer | it's just w like he said, iirc |
| 03:52.54 | maddash | geo-rge: kernel patch? |
| 03:53.03 | maddash | !define iirc |
| 03:53.10 | jetscreamer | !iirc |
| 03:53.10 | dpkg_ | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 03:53.12 | Flash_ | -!- Image Identity Review Committee |
| 03:53.29 | snowbird | kk rebboting |
| 03:53.51 | geo-rge | if the source of the module that isnt listed is packaged separately, then you would build it after the fact |
| 03:53.54 | g333k | abrotman, same problem damn!!1 |
| 03:54.12 | abrotman | g333k: doesn't make any sense |
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| 03:54.41 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:54.44 | abrotman | good plan |
| 03:54.52 | geo-rge | abby is a deer isn't it? |
| 03:55.19 | g333k | can somebody help me? I receive this error when trying to restart apache2: http://pastebin.ca/309016 |
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| 03:55.24 | jetscreamer | dear abby... i have no linux skillz, and don't fit in to my peer group. can you help me? |
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| 03:55.46 | maddash | god...make-kpkg takes forever and a day using my 2ghz p/m... |
| 03:55.48 | snowbird | it made partion 250 mb |
| 03:55.53 | snowbird | how i reseize |
| 03:56.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i recommend you get married and have a few kids .. you'll find fulfillment there |
| 03:56.16 | jetscreamer | just delete it and redo, snowbird |
| 03:56.21 | snowbird | kk |
| 03:56.22 | jetscreamer | good plan abrotman |
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| 03:56.27 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 03:56.38 | abrotman | g333k: but the does exist ? |
| 03:56.43 | Azar | like Guerin (minus kids) |
| 03:56.51 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: wow, he's making partitions by himself now... you shoulda seen him 5 hours ago... |
| 03:56.57 | sudo_maddash | geurin has kids? |
| 03:57.00 | jetscreamer | Guerin got married? |
| 03:57.07 | karmatronic | g333k, apt-gut install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 03:57.09 | sudo_maddash | !guerin |
| 03:57.13 | Azar | wow jetscreamer where have you been? |
| 03:57.23 | jetscreamer | making money |
| 03:57.26 | snowbird | how do i rezize one aprtion to give more sapce |
| 03:57.29 | snowbird | space |
| 03:57.30 | Azar | Guerin is _happily_ married |
| 03:57.36 | g333k | karmatronic, it is installed |
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| 03:57.42 | karmatronic | karma is _happily_ married |
| 03:57.49 | geo-rge | snowbird: which one? |
| 03:57.51 | abrotman | g333k: erm .. the file exists right ? |
| 03:57.57 | jello | g333k: dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php5, does it list the file?? |
| 03:57.59 | g333k | abrotman, what file? |
| 03:57.59 | maddash | married ppl chat on irc? |
| 03:58.01 | jetscreamer | happy 'most' of the time |
| 03:58.03 | snowbird | that dv1 |
| 03:58.06 | snowbird | big bugger |
| 03:58.11 | maddash | azar: don't get too happy... |
| 03:58.15 | geo-rge | which one is that? |
| 03:58.18 | mutante | uhm, one this one box , i have ii php5-mysqli 5.2.0-0.dotdeb and ii php5-pear 5.2.0-0.dotdeb showing in dpkg --list (i use the dotdeb packages to have php5 on stable), then i copy the exact sources.list to another box, apt-get update there, it gets the package list Hit http://packages.dotdeb.org stable/all Release but then: E: Package php5-mysqli has no installation candidate E: Couldn't find package php5-pear,, same sources, installed on one, cant |
| 03:58.29 | karmatronic | g333,check path to libphp5.so |
| 03:58.43 | g333k | jello, abrotman : ii libapache-mod-php5 5.2.0-8 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module) |
| 03:58.52 | snowbird | my dev hda 1 |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | g333k: no .. the actual file |
| 03:58.53 | jetscreamer | mutante: sounds like apt-pinning to me |
| 03:59.07 | jello | g333k: that's the apache *1* module!! |
| 03:59.20 | Azar | this seems to be the apache day |
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| 03:59.24 | jello | g333k: apt-get install libapache*2*-mod-php5 |
| 03:59.27 | maddash | karmatronic: do you usually get warnings while making/make-ing kernels? |
| 03:59.41 | karmatronic | maddash, some |
| 03:59.42 | geo-rge | this seems to be the php/mysql day... |
| 03:59.43 | g333k | jello, and whats the apache2 module? |
| 03:59.49 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 03:59.52 | jetscreamer | yeah there's always errors |
| 03:59.54 | karmatronic | geo, hae phph |
| 03:59.56 | abrotman | like i told you 20 minutes ago |
| 03:59.56 | jetscreamer | when compiling a kernel |
| 03:59.58 | jello | g333k: apache 1 and apache 2 use different modules |
| 03:59.59 | karmatronic | hate php |
| 04:00.04 | snowbird | geo-rge f disk dont have remount option |
| 04:00.05 | maddash | jetscreamer: errors? |
| 04:00.07 | karmatronic | apache 2 sucks |
| 04:00.12 | Azar | speaking of mysql rumors are they changed the licence to avoid gplv3 |
| 04:00.22 | g333k | jello, so what pkg do I need to install? |
| 04:00.25 | maddash | jetscreamer: or warnings? |
| 04:00.26 | geo-rge | snowbird: which partition do you want to resize? |
| 04:00.28 | abrotman | karma sucks |
| 04:00.29 | jello | g333k: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 04:00.35 | abrotman | like i told you 20 minutes ago |
| 04:00.36 | jello | g333k: note the *2* |
| 04:00.42 | jello | abrotman: yes |
| 04:00.45 | snowbird | hd dev1 |
| 04:00.59 | geo-rge | you mean /dev/hda1? |
| 04:01.05 | jello | abrotman: i guess he likes wasting time... |
| 04:01.08 | snowbird | yes |
| 04:01.09 | geo-rge | what does df / say? |
| 04:01.14 | abrotman | jello: probably |
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| 04:01.17 | snowbird | what |
| 04:01.34 | geo-rge | what does df / say? |
| 04:01.36 | jetscreamer | maddash: usually both i 'think' been a while |
| 04:01.47 | snowbird | got it |
| 04:01.59 | maddash | jetscreamer: if you get errors, how do you get binaries? |
| 04:02.07 | jetscreamer | maddash: but never (for the most part) anything that borks stuff |
| 04:02.23 | jetscreamer | i don't do those modules |
| 04:02.33 | jetscreamer | aka redo make menuconfig |
| 04:02.47 | snowbird | what u mean fd |
| 04:02.52 | jetscreamer | nothing like compiling for a few hours only to have it bork out eh |
| 04:03.03 | karmatronic | help |
| 04:03.12 | geo-rge | out of fdisk, type: df / |
| 04:03.40 | SerajewelKS | !tell snowbird about u |
| 04:03.42 | snowbird | /dev/hda1 76185728 2809640 69506032 4% / |
| 04:03.43 | jello | karmatronic: what's up? |
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| 04:04.01 | snowbird | /dev/hda1 76185728 2809640 69506032 4% / |
| 04:04.06 | SerajewelKS | sigh, dpkg borked again? |
| 04:04.07 | karmatronic | karmatronic, i m ok , just really need to sleep :) |
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| 04:04.09 | snowbird | u? |
| 04:04.14 | abrotman | karmatronic: so go to sleep |
| 04:04.14 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 04:04.14 | jello | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 04:04.15 | dpkg_ | Test Failed. |
| 04:04.21 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: "u" is a letter, not a word |
| 04:04.26 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 04:04.27 | dpkg_ | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 04:04.28 | snowbird | ok |
| 04:04.28 | karmatronic | abro, why are u being so mean? |
| 04:04.38 | geo-rge | YET |
| 04:04.43 | abrotman | if you are tired .. go the fuck to bed .. stop being a tard |
| 04:04.43 | snowbird | you did |
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| 04:05.07 | snowbird | yes u threew me in corner with fddisk text wrote sribble reat tfq |
| 04:05.22 | snowbird | not tired |
| 04:05.33 | snowbird | feell like over worked a helper |
| 04:05.42 | abrotman | !wud |
| 04:05.43 | dpkg_ | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 04:05.54 | snowbird | kk |
| 04:06.10 | snowbird | dont see rezeize option |
| 04:06.25 | geo-rge | snowbird: this part will have to wait |
| 04:06.29 | geo-rge | because |
| 04:06.34 | maddash | jelly, geo-rge, karmatronic: thanks for all the help |
| 04:06.45 | geo-rge | maddash: welcome |
| 04:06.49 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: what are you trying to accomplish |
| 04:06.59 | snowbird | rezeize a partion |
| 04:07.05 | abrotman | resize |
| 04:07.11 | snowbird | tehn make another out of free space |
| 04:07.12 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: does it have data on it? |
| 04:07.16 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 04:07.22 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: what filesystem? |
| 04:07.22 | geo-rge | snowbird: you're wanting to resize an -existing- -live- -with data- partition |
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| 04:07.34 | geo-rge | ext3? dunno |
| 04:07.39 | snowbird | right |
| 04:07.45 | karmatronic | abrot, i m leaving |
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| 04:07.53 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: you may try booting from a livecd and using gparted |
| 04:07.58 | snowbird | kk |
| 04:07.59 | karmatronic | i ll mis syou |
| 04:08.05 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: but you can't do it while the filesystem is mounted, period |
| 04:08.10 | snowbird | ahh |
| 04:08.12 | geo-rge | he might have that much unpartitioned space |
| 04:08.12 | snowbird | kk |
| 04:08.31 | snowbird | there is 4 perecnt used |
| 04:08.39 | nvz | is there some way to adjust the brightness, contrast, gamma, in xfree? I can use the nvidia control panel on system that use that.. but can I do it on systems without? |
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| 04:08.46 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: my version of gparted says that it can shrink ext3, so if you have a livecd with gparted you should be set |
| 04:08.47 | snowbird | i can wait |
| 04:08.54 | Azar | geo-rge: it sounds like he tries to do a partition in woody.. :) |
| 04:08.58 | snowbird | kk |
| 04:09.03 | geo-rge | ironically, xfs -requires- the partition to be mounted in order to resize it |
| 04:09.21 | snowbird | geo got away to do it mounted? |
| 04:09.48 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: no, you can't resize ext3 while it's mounted |
| 04:09.52 | geo-rge | snowbird: if there even is a way, it's dangerous |
| 04:10.01 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: don't try unless you like destroying your partition |
| 04:10.01 | Azar | nvz what about the monitor controls? |
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| 04:10.05 | snowbird | ii know lol |
| 04:10.11 | snowbird | il do it with live cd |
| 04:10.14 | nvz | Azar: not giving me what I want :P |
| 04:10.20 | geo-rge | back up the data |
| 04:10.39 | Azar | nvz :) that means you got a bad monitor... |
| 04:10.40 | nvz | Azar: I can probably put that nvidia card in here.. I want to test some new games in etch anyhow, and this box needs upgraded. |
| 04:11.18 | nvz | Azar: na I just like to set a dim mode that is high contrast with zero brightness |
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| 04:11.20 | Azar | nvz some three years ago I was reading a howto by ESR but it sounded so complicated I gave up |
| 04:11.39 | snowbird | kk |
| 04:11.53 | jello | nvz: xvidtune, xgamma |
| 04:11.53 | geo-rge | the first is like 13 bux |
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| 04:12.03 | Azar | nvz I kept the link but is on the other, dead windows PC |
| 04:12.07 | maddash | Finally!! make-kpkg is complete |
| 04:12.10 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: i learned linux without any books |
| 04:12.21 | geo-rge | I didn't :) |
| 04:12.31 | geo-rge | maddash: look in .. |
| 04:12.39 | maddash | geo-rge: how? |
| 04:12.40 | snowbird | well i want debian iso bible |
| 04:12.45 | SerajewelKS | geo-rge: in fact google was about all i used :) |
| 04:12.47 | geo-rge | cd .. |
| 04:12.48 | geo-rge | ls |
| 04:12.49 | maddash | geo-rge: I don't know how to decompress ar pkgs |
| 04:12.52 | snowbird | dont hide folks next is wifi |
| 04:12.57 | maddash | geo-rge: oh |
| 04:12.59 | snowbird | r\alink chipset |
| 04:13.07 | Azar | wifi ewwwwwwww |
| 04:13.17 | maddash | geo-rge: technically, that's look "out" (cd ..)... |
| 04:13.22 | nvz | jello: cool xgamma is what I want |
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| 04:13.33 | Azar | !beer jello |
| 04:13.42 | snowbird | wires fine u fall over brake legs |
| 04:13.44 | maddash | !deb decompress |
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| 04:13.53 | maddash | !tell deb decompress |
| 04:13.58 | maddash | !tell me about deb decompress |
| 04:14.02 | snowbird | got dob/germ/sheap /rotie |
| 04:14.06 | Azar | maddash: decompress what? |
| 04:14.08 | geo-rge | maddash: you should just install the pacages |
| 04:14.17 | nvz | Azar: this monitor works but not to set the gamma which is what I need. I want to be able to dim video and still see it clearly at 0% brightness :P |
| 04:14.20 | maddash | azar: AR packages (ie, .deb) |
| 04:14.24 | snowbird | snoreing must be late |
| 04:14.27 | maddash | azar: nvm I'll just install |
| 04:14.36 | jello | maddash: ar x foo.deb |
| 04:14.43 | snowbird | thanks for help |
| 04:14.55 | maddash | geo-rge: the initrd should be installed along w/the kernel img, right? |
| 04:14.56 | jello | maddash: ar and tar don't compress |
| 04:15.01 | snowbird | ill be oof to bed soon |
| 04:15.10 | snowbird | late here no supper yet |
| 04:15.22 | geo-rge | maddash: it did not build the initrd yet... when you install the .deb, it will |
| 04:15.23 | maddash | jello: cool "ar"...my brain's still in "windows mode"... |
| 04:15.51 | maddash | sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.18maddash.deb |
| 04:15.59 | maddash | oops wrong window |
| 04:16.01 | geo-rge | my brain's still in gumby mode |
| 04:16.18 | snowbird | what? grumpy i know why stress |
| 04:16.31 | geo-rge | no, gumby not grumpy |
| 04:16.37 | snowbird | windows i ahve to use for dsl |
| 04:16.55 | snowbird | they dont support linux if u have linux they wont give u dsl |
| 04:17.13 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.21 | snowbird | have to dull run em |
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| 04:17.32 | snowbird | whats grumby |
| 04:17.35 | maddash | ok, installed new kernel...sudo shutdown -r 0 -ing, here I go... |
| 04:17.39 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: so don't tell them you run linux... the modem should be able to handle the athentication itself |
| 04:17.47 | SerajewelKS | authentication too |
| 04:17.49 | snowbird | it does |
| 04:17.54 | snowbird | i wanted router |
| 04:17.57 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: then they should not care what you run |
| 04:18.16 | snowbird | i told linux tha said go off then caue will not work on linux |
| 04:18.23 | snowbird | the doo |
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| 04:18.31 | snowbird | stupped rules |
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| 04:18.51 | geo-rge | snowbird: what do you have to run on windows to get it to work? |
| 04:19.12 | snowbird | some routers |
| 04:19.18 | snowbird | and one program |
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| 04:19.25 | geo-rge | what program |
| 04:19.39 | snowbird | one voice progam |
| 04:19.47 | geo-rge | voice? |
| 04:19.47 | snowbird | thats all |
| 04:19.56 | snowbird | yeah |
| 04:20.03 | geo-rge | you have that vonage thing? |
| 04:20.06 | snowbird | could go mac and linux |
| 04:20.11 | snowbird | helll with windows |
| 04:20.14 | snowbird | vonage |
| 04:20.16 | snowbird | hell now |
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| 04:20.22 | SerajewelKS | !enter |
| 04:20.22 | snowbird | nothing progie |
| 04:20.23 | dpkg_ | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 04:20.25 | SerajewelKS | snowbird: ^^^ |
| 04:20.40 | snowbird | kk |
| 04:20.49 | snowbird | sorry |
| 04:20.50 | maddash | yay, it worked! this.happiness *=256! |
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| 04:21.08 | geo-rge | really it makes it difficult to follow what everyone else says |
| 04:21.21 | jello | !beer maddash |
| 04:21.21 | snowbird | thats it routers i had u had to have pluged into windows |
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| 04:22.01 | maddash | jello: what's Jever? never heard of it... |
| 04:22.10 | jello | maddash: google |
| 04:22.21 | snowbird | thanks i am out of here over to fridge i wounder whats edible gf left overs she not good cook dog wont eat her cookin |
| 04:22.40 | snowbird | any take care thanks for the help |
| 04:22.45 | maddash | jello: haha, I under the drinking age |
| 04:23.13 | maddash | jello: s\I\I'm |
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| 04:26.20 | maddash | jello: do you enable large block device support? |
| 04:27.33 | jetscreamer | anybody know offhand the namebrand of a good tv/cable card which is well supported under debian? |
| 04:27.55 | maddash | jetscreamer: have you tried google? |
| 04:28.02 | jello | jetscreamer: iirc the all-in-wonder ones are |
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| 04:28.28 | jetscreamer | maddash: i've heard of google... what is it? |
| 04:28.32 | jetscreamer | thanks jello |
| 04:29.02 | maddash | jetscreamer: did I offend you? |
| 04:29.08 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:29.17 | jetscreamer | the repetitionusness did though |
| 04:29.22 | jetscreamer | oops sp |
| 04:29.29 | jetscreamer | repetitiousness |
| 04:29.31 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 04:29.36 | maddash | repetitiveness? |
| 04:29.59 | jetscreamer | yeah but i'm not trying for repetetive |
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| 04:31.52 | maddash | can I apply as many patches as I want on the kernel source? |
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| 04:32.31 | jetscreamer | not sure, but you can also ask in #kernel |
| 04:32.59 | jello | maddash: as long as they don't conflict |
| 04:33.04 | jetscreamer | iirc it's slow in there though |
| 04:33.40 | jello | maddash: you can start at 0.99 and patch all the way to 2.6.19 if you like... :) |
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| 04:34.07 | maddash | jello: no, I meant non-version patches |
| 04:34.26 | jello | like what? |
| 04:35.14 | maddash | jello: swsusp2 |
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| 05:01.02 | irkite | A newbish question from a lazy person, when I type startx on a newly installed person it tells me "xinit:no such file or directory errno(2) , no server X in PATH" |
| 05:01.19 | irkite | how do i start X and gnome which have been installed? |
| 05:02.00 | orkid | logout and log back in perhaps |
| 05:02.06 | cast | what i would do, is find out what package this xinit and X is in, and make sure its installed and that X is in the path |
| 05:02.17 | devicenull | PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device ..? |
| 05:02.22 | devicenull | how do I fix that? |
| 05:02.29 | irkite | cast: k thanks |
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| 05:03.21 | devicenull | using pci=biosirq like it says to doesnt help |
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| 05:03.42 | _Atomo64_ | how can I recompile krec with mp3-exporting support? |
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| 05:04.52 | chuckfromchan | hey |
| 05:05.06 | chuckfromchan | how do you change network info like ip address, router, dns, etc? |
| 05:05.27 | tonsofpcs | ifconfig |
| 05:05.41 | chuckfromchan | so i just type that and then enter in the info? |
| 05:05.58 | _Atomo64_ | chuckfromchan: man ifconfig |
| 05:06.27 | chuckfromchan | there's an easier way though |
| 05:06.29 | chuckfromchan | emm |
| 05:06.34 | chuckfromchan | someone told it to me |
| 05:06.45 | chuckfromchan | ahh damn it what's the command |
| 05:08.21 | chuckfromchan | can someone just tell me the full command to change the ip address because i'm a linux n00b lol |
| 05:08.38 | chuckfromchan | say i want to change the ip address to 192.168.10.5 |
| 05:08.47 | cast | two ways in debian |
| 05:09.01 | cast | use ifconfig, or use ifup and ifdown and edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:09.08 | cast | probably use the later |
| 05:09.35 | chuckfromchan | so i just type ifup, then ifdown, then vi /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:09.53 | cb | firstly edit the file |
| 05:09.59 | cast | vi /etc/network/interfaces ; ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 05:10.19 | cb | and then you also can type /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 05:10.20 | cast | back up interfaces incase you break, too, i suppose. if you only have 1 computer |
| 05:10.45 | _Atomo64_ | or modify the dhcp config files if you use dhcp |
| 05:12.01 | devicenull | ffs |
| 05:12.14 | orkid | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.19 | devicenull | I just found out there were undocumented changes to linux support with one of the bios updates I havent applied |
| 05:12.25 | orkid | I have had this problem before (in gentoo), and installing coldplug resolved this issue. However, coldplug is not available in the default apt/sources.list |
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| 05:12.32 | orkid | I realize that coldplug is now rolled into udev-0.103, ... so what could be the issue? |
| 05:12.52 | orkid | a modem reboot fixes the issue... however, this happens very often and a modem reboot everytime is ludicrous |
| 05:13.11 | dansushi | Does the debian net install cd have wireless internet capibility? |
| 05:14.17 | devicenull | dansushi: I've found that wireless can be quite annoying to get working under linux.. for the install at least you are probably better with a wired connection |
| 05:14.22 | devicenull | but I'm not certain either way |
| 05:14.23 | dansushi | same here |
| 05:14.34 | dansushi | i've had real problems with wireless |
| 05:14.56 | dansushi | i finally switched to wired, but i'm trying to help a friend who is determined to do it with wireless |
| 05:15.17 | scx | Anyone here from Europe ? |
| 05:15.17 | dansushi | i ran a cord from the romm with my router all the way to my room |
| 05:15.30 | scx | I want an european email |
| 05:15.54 | dansushi | devicenull: know any good place that can help with wireless setup on debian? |
| 05:15.58 | cb | just go to oehm gmx.de |
| 05:16.06 | scx | Due to my American location I can not use gmx |
| 05:16.18 | devicenull | not specifcally |
| 05:16.30 | devicenull | I wouldnt be surprised if the installer doesnt have wireless support though |
| 05:16.36 | _Atomo64_ | ... how can I know the gzip compression level used on a file? |
| 05:16.47 | cb | scx web.de? |
| 05:16.50 | scx | Well, I tried using an european address and the server continues reffusing toi make a new account |
| 05:17.38 | cb | btw: for what an european address? |
| 05:18.45 | scx | I hete US law |
| 05:18.53 | scx | err: hate :p |
| 05:19.06 | scx | long story... |
| 05:19.32 | jetscreamer | you threaten the moral fibre of the world |
| 05:19.45 | irkite | apt-get install gives me unmet dependencies errors. Can't install anything else using it. What can I do? |
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| 05:19.56 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f |
| 05:20.06 | scx | US is the moral fibre of the world ?! |
| 05:20.06 | jetscreamer | or apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:20.32 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 05:20.32 | scx | oh no! it's doom! |
| 05:20.32 | irkite | jetscreamer: just run apt-get -f or apt-get -f install <package>? |
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| 05:20.35 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f |
| 05:20.40 | irkite | k let me try |
| 05:20.45 | jetscreamer | or was it apt-get -f install |
| 05:21.08 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install |
| 05:21.17 | irkite | it's -f install afterall but i've tried it, i still get the same error :( |
| 05:21.38 | scx | what error? |
| 05:21.40 | jetscreamer | try apt-get update |
| 05:21.49 | irkite | scx: unmet dependencies |
| 05:22.02 | jetscreamer | then maybe apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 05:22.05 | irkite | scx: related to kdebase dpending on kwin which is not going to be installed |
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| 05:22.17 | jetscreamer | add kwin |
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| 05:22.31 | irkite | jetscreamer: ok |
| 05:22.36 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 05:22.36 | dpkg_ | from memory, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 05:22.38 | scx | irkite: what kernel you have? |
| 05:22.44 | scx | uname -r |
| 05:23.20 | irkite | umm said corrupted package archive, think it is problem with the repo? |
| 05:23.43 | jetscreamer | do apt-get clean then check/change the source |
| 05:23.43 | scx | maybe |
| 05:23.46 | irkite | scx: 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 05:23.57 | irkite | jetscreamer: ok i will do that |
| 05:24.05 | irkite | thanks |
| 05:24.30 | scx | yah, as jetscreamer said: dist-upgrade will do it the easy way |
| 05:24.37 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
| 05:24.42 | chuckfromchan | thanks for the help guys |
| 05:24.44 | scx | and the clean yes |
| 05:24.51 | jetscreamer | then dist-upgrade or whatever |
| 05:25.09 | irkite | ok |
| 05:25.45 | cwheeler | where can I find docs on getting my joystick to work with a soundblaster sound card? |
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| 05:26.43 | devicenull | to get usb working I had to tell my OS i didn't have PNP OS |
| 05:26.45 | Miesco | What is an RSS reader? |
| 05:26.46 | jetscreamer | did you load the gameport module cwheeler ? |
| 05:26.53 | jetscreamer | it reads rss feeds |
| 05:26.56 | devicenull | is there anything that would fix this, and let me re-enable that setting |
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| 05:26.58 | cwheeler | jetscreamer yes |
| 05:27.26 | cwheeler | jetscreamer were you helping me with that X problem a couple days ago? |
| 05:28.01 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: is the js not working in a game or what? (probably not but i helped you with something) |
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| 05:28.24 | elik | Anyone can help me sort out an encoding problem |
| 05:28.27 | cwheeler | joystick is not working at all |
| 05:28.36 | devicenull | also, is there anyplace I can go to tell people how to get debian working with my MB? |
| 05:28.43 | cwheeler | no js? devices in /dev/input and no messages in dmesg |
| 05:28.51 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: ls /dev/input/ and see if you have js0 js1 whatever |
| 05:28.53 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:29.04 | cwheeler | no js0 or js1 |
| 05:29.28 | jetscreamer | is there one in /dev ? |
| 05:29.36 | cwheeler | rebooting don't know |
| 05:29.39 | devicenull | what was that nice 3d desktop called? |
| 05:30.51 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: what i do, and what works for me, i amend the udev rule to put them in /dev, not /dev/input, and also i use the program called 'joystick' from sarge. not the etch/sid version, doesn't work for me. |
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| 05:31.16 | jetscreamer | and i put the joystick program on hold so it doesn't ge tupdated |
| 05:31.24 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 05:31.41 | jetscreamer | compiz? |
| 05:31.50 | cwheeler | no /dev/js[01] |
| 05:32.04 | cwheeler | how do i use the sarge joystick program? |
| 05:32.09 | devicenull | that was it, thx |
| 05:32.18 | jetscreamer | go to pdo and d/l it |
| 05:32.34 | jetscreamer | but it only works for me if i amend the udev rule |
| 05:32.37 | cwheeler | what's pdo? |
| 05:32.41 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 05:32.42 | dpkg_ | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 05:33.08 | cwheeler | download the .deb file and install with dpkg? |
| 05:33.16 | jetscreamer | it's what i did |
| 05:33.19 | psychonate | rtorrent and nfs don't seem to mix well |
| 05:33.30 | jetscreamer | there's probably a better way, but i just know it works for me |
| 05:33.39 | cwheeler | thanks what works is good |
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| 05:34.14 | devicenull | is there a page telling me what desktop managers are available? |
| 05:34.19 | jetscreamer | i've done this for so long, just installing the current version of joystick might work for you |
| 05:34.32 | jetscreamer | they might have fixed it |
| 05:34.43 | elik | I'm having a filename encoding problem on a ext3 partition. Anyone can help me with that? |
| 05:34.48 | jetscreamer | before udev, just installing joystick worked |
| 05:35.08 | cwheeler | i will check to be sure i have joystick |
| 05:35.17 | cwheeler | what does joystick do? |
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| 05:35.29 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show joystick |
| 05:35.35 | jetscreamer | creates /dev nodes |
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| 05:37.46 | cwheeler | i've got joystick, latest version. should installing it have configured it? |
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| 05:38.18 | jetscreamer | well it asks you if you want to check on_boot, when you install it, but yeah. |
| 05:38.31 | jetscreamer | this is why i use the sarge version |
| 05:38.35 | cwheeler | i don't rememer if it asked |
| 05:38.37 | jetscreamer | are you on sarge or what |
| 05:38.42 | cwheeler | etch |
| 05:38.46 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 05:39.43 | jetscreamer | you're sure the module for the gameport is getting loaded eh |
| 05:39.47 | cwheeler | how can i see if it's configured? |
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| 05:40.04 | cwheeler | gameport is loaded and sidewinder, i put them in /etc/modules |
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| 05:40.17 | jetscreamer | i have a usb sidewinder2 |
| 05:40.27 | cwheeler | no gameport sidewinder |
| 05:40.42 | cwheeler | game port is on my soundblaster with is playing sound |
| 05:41.07 | jetscreamer | so which version of joystick is installed |
| 05:41.10 | jetscreamer | the etch? |
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| 05:41.48 | cwheeler | 20051019-1 |
| 05:41.49 | jetscreamer | or did you go to pdo |
| 05:41.58 | cwheeler | haven't gone to pdo yet |
| 05:42.29 | jetscreamer | 20010903-2 is what works for me |
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| 05:42.38 | jetscreamer | and the amending of the udev |
| 05:42.46 | cwheeler | I can use the sarge version without compiling it myself? |
| 05:42.52 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 05:42.55 | jetscreamer | i run sid |
| 05:44.41 | cwheeler | found that package |
| 05:44.48 | ice63 | jetscreamer: hay can you check to see if xfburn is in sid for me :) |
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| 05:50.44 | cwheeler | I need a hint on how to install the .deb file |
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| 05:51.09 | cb | dpkg -i blah.deb? |
| 05:51.10 | dpkg_ | package blah.deb is already installed |
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| 05:51.30 | protocol1 | I prefer Etch |
| 05:51.37 | geo-rge | !blah |
| 05:51.37 | dpkg_ | bleh means insert appropriate value here. see bleh, or meh |
| 05:52.43 | geo-rge | cwheeler: other than that you can find out all the tricky things dpkg can do... dpkg --help |
| 05:53.01 | cwheeler | thanks that was enough hint |
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| 05:53.14 | themolester | if i was to buy a core2duo processor... what arch would i run off of? i386? amd64? ia64? other? |
| 05:53.30 | cast | amd64 i suspect |
| 05:53.32 | pstickne | i686 |
| 05:53.33 | dstanek | i am looking to virtual host email for a few personal domains - i want to use postfix but i am not sure where to store the account info |
| 05:53.37 | cast | amd64 includes EMT64 |
| 05:53.40 | pstickne | oooh. |
| 05:53.47 | themolester | cool |
| 05:53.49 | cast | and EMT64 be what the new intel processes use |
| 05:54.02 | dstanek | postfix flatfiles, mysql, ldap, etc. - anyone have experience doing this? |
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| 05:54.08 | themolester | i know the pent d's use emt64 |
| 05:54.13 | themolester | do the core2s also? |
| 05:54.25 | cast | the ia64 is different, i think that was more itanium |
| 05:54.49 | pstickne | yeah, it's true-64 from the ground-up |
| 05:55.09 | pstickne | not just a shoe-horn :( |
| 05:55.39 | themolester | ya... i figured that too... but they were the only two with 64 in it, and figured it might be one of those things that got thrown in (like you said with emt64 on amd64 branch) |
| 05:56.11 | cast | i dont have any complaints with amd64 :) |
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| 05:57.23 | devicenull | hrm, thats interesting |
| 05:57.34 | devicenull | my ide drives werent detected |
| 05:57.39 | devicenull | and i just noticed now |
| 05:57.52 | cast | devicenull: last time that happened to me was because one was dead : |
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| 05:58.10 | devicenull | I dont think they have ever been detected |
| 05:58.27 | devicenull | my sata ones were, so it didnt matter |
| 05:58.36 | cast | in anything? windows? freebsd? |
| 05:58.46 | devicenull | just in debian |
| 05:58.51 | devicenull | its probably my kernel |
| 05:59.03 | cast | what kernel? |
| 05:59.13 | devicenull | I compiled my own |
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| 05:59.21 | devicenull | I probably forgot my ide controller support |
| 05:59.23 | cwheeler | can I mark joystick to be held back with synaptic? |
| 05:59.24 | cast | lol. |
| 05:59.39 | cast | cwheeler: sure can, there should be a 'hold' option |
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| 06:00.03 | cast | cwheeler: *i assume synaptic has a hold option, aptitude does |
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| 06:00.05 | PingFloyd | hit '=' on it |
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| 06:00.14 | cwheeler | I still don't have any js? devices |
| 06:00.14 | PingFloyd | erm nevermind |
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| 06:00.25 | PingFloyd | you said synaptic, thought you said aptitude |
| 06:00.37 | cwheeler | except the ones installing joystick created in /dev/.static |
| 06:00.37 | devicenull | is there any reason not to use the command line stuff? like apt-get? |
| 06:00.38 | PingFloyd | but I know that synaptic can hold too if iirc |
| 06:00.56 | PingFloyd | devicenull: aptitude is better |
| 06:01.00 | cast | devicenull: no, command line is better. but we use aptitude now, or should :> |
| 06:01.03 | devicenull | for what reason? |
| 06:01.12 | devicenull | because I really hated the aptitude gui |
| 06:01.18 | cast | its faster, less resources, very much faster remotely |
| 06:01.24 | PingFloyd | devicenull: better dependency handling, and keeps track of history and more package state info |
| 06:01.27 | geo-rge | you can use aptitude like apt-get |
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| 06:01.36 | PingFloyd | devicenull: you can use aptitude through command line too |
| 06:01.36 | devicenull | cast: I know why to use commandline :P |
| 06:01.36 | themolester | followup on previous question... if i bought this mobo " ASUS P5B LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard" for the previously mentioned core2 proc... other than ide compatibility during install which i can get around... any major bugs for linux? |
| 06:01.40 | devicenull | oh |
| 06:01.41 | cast | devicenull: it...wait, gui? don't use it then. gui only pops up when you run it with no arguments |
| 06:01.42 | deb_noob | does anyone know how to install mtp support for amarok? |
| 06:01.44 | themolester | did that all go through? |
| 06:01.44 | devicenull | that would work |
| 06:01.49 | devicenull | didn't know that |
| 06:01.49 | PingFloyd | devicenull: i.e. aptitude install foo |
| 06:01.53 | themolester | ending in "under linux" |
| 06:01.57 | PingFloyd | aptitude clean |
| 06:02.00 | PingFloyd | and so on |
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| 06:02.22 | PingFloyd | pretty much pass all the same arguements to it that you can to apt-get and friends |
| 06:02.39 | devicenull | holy shit, sound was detected and installed correclty |
| 06:02.44 | devicenull | without me having to do anything |
| 06:02.47 | devicenull | this is a first |
| 06:02.47 | PingFloyd | the main advantage and difference is that aptitude keeps track of automatically installed packages |
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| 06:03.01 | devicenull | I'm impressed |
| 06:03.18 | orkid_ | so, still no dice. Perhaps I should file a bug under udev. |
| 06:03.31 | PingFloyd | one thing though, is decide up front how you want it to handle recommends |
| 06:03.47 | PingFloyd | otherwise if you change it, it will want to remove a ton of recommends |
| 06:04.05 | PingFloyd | can be overridden on per package bases with holding of course though |
| 06:04.09 | ice63 | aptitude is all i use :) |
| 06:04.15 | PingFloyd | ice63: me too, anymore |
| 06:04.19 | devicenull | I have figured out the gnomes computer thing is fairly useless |
| 06:04.54 | PingFloyd | I didn't like aptitude at first, but now I can't see settling on apt-get anymore |
| 06:04.58 | deb_noob | does anyone know how to install mtp support for amarok? |
| 06:05.38 | PingFloyd | devicenull: gnome what? |
| 06:05.53 | PingFloyd | devicenull: you mean gnome itself> |
| 06:05.53 | devicenull | theres a "Computer" thing on the desktop by default |
| 06:06.11 | devicenull | all I know is it sucks at mounting stuff |
| 06:06.12 | PingFloyd | oh, the computer icon the root window? |
| 06:06.14 | devicenull | yea |
| 06:06.15 | cast | only problem is the transition from apt-get to aptitude imho [A: people don't know how to use it like apt-get, B: it'll try to remove lots of things if you've been using apt-get, C: people think apt-get is entrenched to an extent] |
| 06:06.36 | PingFloyd | devicenull: yeah, it sometimes confuses Linux under the right circumstances |
| 06:06.52 | PingFloyd | where you mount something and it won't let you unmount accept as root |
| 06:06.59 | devicenull | well I mounted all my drives before I even clicked on it, so whatever |
| 06:07.21 | PingFloyd | and then won't let you umount as root because it's 'busy' but really nothing is open, but the mount icon is keeping it from |
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| 06:07.43 | devicenull | gnome seems to be worse the windows atm, it wont let me remove the icons I want |
| 06:07.50 | devicenull | Computer, trash, etc |
| 06:08.09 | PingFloyd | it's like gnome-volume-manager and fam sometimes interfere with eachother |
| 06:08.30 | PingFloyd | I like gnome, but it's a bit a resource pig |
| 06:08.51 | PingFloyd | so I use a slimmer wm more now a days |
| 06:09.09 | cast | e17 :> |
| 06:09.11 | devicenull | I think I might go to activestep |
| 06:09.11 | PingFloyd | but I do like gnome, just wish it was more zippy |
| 06:09.15 | devicenull | or whatever its called |
| 06:09.26 | PingFloyd | right now I'm using blackbox |
| 06:09.35 | devicenull | afterstep |
| 06:09.39 | PingFloyd | it's very fast and responsive |
| 06:09.41 | SerajewelKS | i would use slimmer wms if they weren't such a pita to configure |
| 06:09.46 | PingFloyd | but is spartan in some areas |
| 06:10.03 | PingFloyd | SerajewelKS: yeah, they can be alot of tweaking to get them how you want |
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| 06:10.13 | devicenull | I'm not at my desktop 95% of the time anyway |
| 06:10.17 | SerajewelKS | i have used icewm and xfce4 |
| 06:10.21 | PingFloyd | SerajewelKS: and they all seem to get a little tunnel visioned in their design |
| 06:10.33 | devicenull | and since I dont have to wade throw rows of control panel applets to change stuff anymore |
| 06:10.36 | PingFloyd | like what I want, is a wm that handle both tiling and overlapping windows well |
| 06:10.46 | PingFloyd | seems like all the ones I've found do one or the other |
| 06:10.49 | SerajewelKS | PingFloyd: nod, i can live with gnome because in other wms i can't get anything done |
| 06:10.53 | PingFloyd | and they get all extreme about it |
| 06:11.18 | PingFloyd | and too idealistic and lose sight of making something that is good all around |
| 06:11.20 | SerajewelKS | but if you want a real resource hog, there's beryl+emerald |
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| 06:12.16 | SerajewelKS | nice eye candy though |
| 06:12.20 | PingFloyd | If gnome had better performance, and handled tiling in some form, it would probably be the ultimate gui for my tastes |
| 06:12.34 | cwheeler | jstest says "No such device", joydev module it loaded |
| 06:12.40 | devicenull | I need something that handles multiple montiors decently too |
| 06:12.48 | SerajewelKS | eyecandy aside, the beryl scaler is nice |
| 06:12.59 | PingFloyd | I do most stuff through a terminal or vc, but certain things are more fitting to do through gui |
| 06:13.01 | SerajewelKS | devicenull: KDE does multihead perfectly btw |
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| 06:13.11 | SerajewelKS | devicenull: one of the things i really miss since switching to gnome actually |
| 06:13.13 | devicenull | I dont like kde |
| 06:13.22 | devicenull | just a personal thing |
| 06:13.25 | PingFloyd | I'm not real fond of kde either |
| 06:13.26 | ice63 | PingFloyd: are you runing ked? |
| 06:13.31 | PingFloyd | ice63: no |
| 06:13.35 | SerajewelKS | devicenull: yeah that's how i was about gnome, now i like it |
| 06:13.36 | ice63 | ok |
| 06:13.45 | zinx | there's only one window manager that handles xinerama to my liking, and that's only because i've made a module to make it handle it to my liking :/ |
| 06:13.47 | PingFloyd | ice63: it's even harder on performance than gnome for me |
| 06:14.02 | ice63 | i know |
| 06:14.13 | SerajewelKS | KDE is the ultimate resource hog, but it does some things very intelligently |
| 06:14.21 | PingFloyd | I would probably like it if my computer wasn't so ancient though |
| 06:14.26 | SerajewelKS | so meh, it's not a perfect world |
| 06:14.32 | ice63 | im runing xfce right now |
| 06:14.44 | PingFloyd | yeah, I have yet to find any wm I really felt was just what I was looking for |
| 06:15.09 | SerajewelKS | zinx: that is kinda... impossible with X as it's shipped, yeah |
| 06:15.24 | zinx | SerajewelKS: not anywhere near impossible for the window manager |
| 06:15.43 | SerajewelKS | zinx: well it depends, are they two displays, or two screens on one display? |
| 06:15.44 | zinx | that's how i've currently got mine set up, in fact |
| 06:15.53 | zinx | SerajewelKS: :0.0, and only :0.0 |
| 06:16.06 | SerajewelKS | so no xinerama even? |
| 06:16.09 | zinx | SerajewelKS: with xinerama passing info |
| 06:16.15 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 06:16.38 | zinx | desktops are a window manager concept anyway |
| 06:16.52 | zinx | although my implementation is somewhat of a hack, it does work |
| 06:17.32 | zinx | (when you switch just one screen to a different desk, it swaps windows on the other, but remembers how it swapped them) |
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| 06:17.56 | PingFloyd | zinx: which wm did you do that with? |
| 06:18.27 | zinx | Ping: fvwm |
| 06:19.02 | PingFloyd | I liked that one, but it seemed like it's going to be a bit of project to get it to how I'll be happy |
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| 06:19.48 | zinx | definitely |
| 06:19.56 | PingFloyd | it's default configuration, seemed pretty atrocious though |
| 06:19.58 | zinx | it's a pain to configure |
| 06:21.09 | PingFloyd | I was messing around with ion3, and it was confusing for me to configure |
| 06:21.14 | SerajewelKS | and this is why i like gnome :) |
| 06:21.16 | zinx | i probably need to switch WMs but i'm not in the mood to implement the xinerama desktops thing in another WM at the moment :/ |
| 06:21.40 | PingFloyd | zinx: if you like it, you should stick with it |
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| 06:21.48 | SerajewelKS | my only major gripe with gnome is how it handles wallpaper on multiple heads. KDE got that right. |
| 06:21.59 | zinx | SerajewelKS: Gnome isn't a WM, and Metacity isn't the greatest WM, though it's better than compiz, which is like an old metacity that's crappified + special effected:/ |
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| 06:22.23 | zinx | gnome does do the desktop background though |
| 06:22.37 | zinx | Ping: it has some issues that i very much do not like |
| 06:22.39 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i know, it's a desktop environment, etc, etc. btw i am using beryl+emerald as the wm. |
| 06:22.53 | PingFloyd | I kind of like how metacity is rather simplistic and vanilla |
| 06:22.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx: it's quite the resource hog, but i can switch back to metacity if i want |
| 06:22.59 | zinx | SerajewelKS: haven't gotten around to seeing how much like old metacity beryl is yet :P |
| 06:23.19 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i have a few shots if you'd like |
| 06:23.20 | PingFloyd | if it had something to where I could automatically tile the windows, it would probably be my wm of choice |
| 06:23.33 | zinx | (old metacity had window placement issues, and won't let you move the title bar off the top of the screen) |
| 06:23.36 | PingFloyd | I would even settle for good snaps |
| 06:23.45 | cwheeler | I need more clues to figure out why my joystick doesn't work |
| 06:23.46 | zinx | new metacity has really weird ass resizing for windows with the title bar off the screen |
| 06:23.52 | PingFloyd | I hate having to fidget with the placement of windows all of the time |
| 06:23.57 | SerajewelKS | zinx: in beryl you can configure placement constraints |
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| 06:24.01 | zinx | or, actually it may be weird resizing for windows larger than the screen is tall |
| 06:24.02 | zinx | i forget. |
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| 06:24.08 | deadcat | what order should i partition my system (partition)? / swap /home /tmp/ /usr /var ? |
| 06:24.16 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i have it set so that windows cannot move off the top of the screen but you can disable that |
| 06:24.26 | PingFloyd | zinx: think that's what it was |
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| 06:24.31 | zinx | SerajewelKS: old metacity, and compiz, will not let you configure that :) |
| 06:24.39 | PingFloyd | I've noticed with gnome there is a problem if the default windows size is too big |
| 06:24.41 | SerajewelKS | zinx: yes, beryl is much nicer |
| 06:24.44 | djdb | Hi everyone! I have problems with etch install on HP BL20p G3. Where i can read about how to submit this bug to developert team? |
| 06:24.55 | PingFloyd | you have to use alt+move window or ctrl+window to fix it |
| 06:24.55 | SerajewelKS | zinx: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45234845/ http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45280644/ shots of my setup |
| 06:24.59 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i tried beryl.. very configurable.. TOO configurable |
| 06:25.02 | djdb | Problems near qla2xxx |
| 06:25.13 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: yeah i waste a lot of time tweaking it :) |
| 06:25.21 | PingFloyd | drag the window using the alt and/or ctrl keys I mean |
| 06:25.23 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: but i like the direction it's going |
| 06:25.35 | devicenull | hrm |
| 06:25.55 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ya.. i just stop configuring it and quit testing beryl (= |
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| 06:26.20 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: i have it on metacity by default, but when i want eyecandy i can turn it on too |
| 06:26.22 | zinx | SerajewelKS: does the cube try to display like both screens are one large screen in xinerama, in beryl? |
| 06:26.28 | PingFloyd | I've never used compiz, my system can't handle it |
| 06:26.35 | SerajewelKS | zinx: you can configure that |
| 06:26.41 | PingFloyd | but doesn't it handle virtual desktops in some sort of 3d method? |
| 06:26.52 | PingFloyd | like looking at a cube |
| 06:26.52 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: i am just waiting for openbox to have some of the features in the near future. |
| 06:27.01 | deadcat | what order should i partition my system (partition)? / swap /home /tmp/ /usr /var ? |
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| 06:27.22 | SerajewelKS | zinx: (1) multiple cubes, one per head, (2) one big cube, (3) a shape with heads*desktops surfaces |
| 06:27.44 | SerajewelKS | zinx: i use multiple cubes because it's the most intuitive and doesn't distort like hell |
| 06:27.59 | deadcat | one cube per head is confusing |
| 06:28.13 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: it's less confusing than the other two |
| 06:28.40 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: with (3) it looks like you *could* release the cube with the monitors switched if you know what i mean |
| 06:28.58 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: but when you release it snaps to a desktop |
| 06:29.05 | deadcat | damn |
| 06:29.15 | SerajewelKS | so i think that's a lot more confusing |
| 06:29.42 | SerajewelKS | (2) is less confusing but distorts when you look up/down, so from the eyecandy perspective it's irritating |
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| 06:30.17 | unsucht | has anyone here heard of viewgate dvr |
| 06:30.24 | themolester | is 3w9xxx supported out of the box (patchless) by any of the 2.6 tree? |
| 06:30.34 | themolester | especially in the kernel-image form |
| 06:31.05 | SerajewelKS | IMO the scaler is nice (the OS X expose -type thing) |
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| 06:31.34 | SerajewelKS | and probably one of beryl's only usability plugins, except maybe annotate. the rest are all candy :) |
| 06:31.38 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: ya.. thats a nice feature to have. |
| 06:32.04 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: the scaler could handle multihead better, but i'll take what i can get |
| 06:32.21 | cwheeler | which version of qt does make xconfig need? |
| 06:32.38 | SerajewelKS | like when you choose to scale all the windows on only one head, they move to all of the heads |
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| 06:32.57 | SerajewelKS | which is annoying, without even considering that sometimes they scale behind the windows on those other heads |
| 06:33.22 | devicenull | ugh, I miss adblock alredy |
| 06:33.24 | deadcat | hehe |
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| 06:33.53 | PingFloyd | cwheeler: I like make gconfig since it allows you see every single setting if you want (i.e. expand all), but it sometimes likes to crash |
| 06:34.02 | SerajewelKS | but like i said i like the direction beryl is heading, especially as compared to compiz |
| 06:34.23 | SerajewelKS | and i'm sure these will get fixed in time (maybe i'll even submit a patch or two) |
| 06:34.43 | devicenull | so how would I go about switcing to a different desktop? |
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| 06:35.06 | cwheeler | thanks PingFloyd i'll try that since i can't figure out what qt stuff to install |
| 06:35.18 | PingFloyd | cwheeler: just remember to save often |
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| 06:35.24 | PingFloyd | if you go the gconfig route |
| 06:35.34 | SerajewelKS | btw i prefer the setting "inside cube" -- seems more intuitive to me, and you can see what's on a neiboring desktop without rotating at all |
| 06:35.42 | SerajewelKS | neighboring* |
| 06:35.45 | PingFloyd | it hasn't been around as long, so it's a little less stable |
| 06:37.17 | SerajewelKS | damn, rotating the cube with an appropriate skymap fits in perfectly with the vangelis i'm listening to |
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| 06:38.36 | HAMM3R | How can i make a tar of an entire directory? |
| 06:38.40 | PingFloyd | cwheeler: this page may be helpful with figuring qt and gtk dependencies, whichever way you go, but also alot helpful information all around http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 06:38.40 | HAMM3R | .tar.gz i mean |
| 06:38.53 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R: tar -zcf foo.tar.gz somedir |
| 06:38.57 | HAMM3R | <3 |
| 06:39.00 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R: man tar |
| 06:39.17 | PingFloyd | one of the best how-tos I've found for custom kernel from a debian perspective |
| 06:39.22 | HAMM3R | i say that coming :p |
| 06:39.40 | SerajewelKS | HAMM3R: then you should have done it before i said anything |
| 06:39.57 | devicenull | how do I get rid of gonome without uninstalling it. |
| 06:40.11 | devicenull | I'm assuing theres some dpkg-reconfigure command to execute |
| 06:40.11 | SerajewelKS | devicenull: define "get rid of" |
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| 06:40.28 | devicenull | I want to switch to afterstep instead of gnome |
| 06:40.36 | devicenull | so switch window managers basically |
| 06:40.39 | SerajewelKS | devicenull: which display manager do you use |
| 06:40.56 | devicenull | right now its all default gnome |
| 06:40.59 | PingFloyd | devicenull: there's a few wms that are supposed to work well with gnome |
| 06:41.04 | SerajewelKS | devicenull: so gdm? |
| 06:41.06 | devicenull | yea |
| 06:41.18 | devicenull | PingFloyd: I really dont like any of gnome |
| 06:41.19 | PingFloyd | devicenull: I don't think metacity is the only option, with some perserverence |
| 06:41.36 | SerajewelKS | devicenull: log out, and in gdm click the options button and hit select session |
| 06:41.57 | deadcat | how would i extract .daa formats? i think its some windows software. |
| 06:42.04 | devicenull | ok |
| 06:42.09 | devicenull | I'll give it a shot |
| 06:42.12 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: what does "file" say it is? |
| 06:42.32 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: data |
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| 06:43.01 | SerajewelKS | deadcat: hmm... not too helpful... but i seem to recall messing around with daa files before |
| 06:43.45 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: too bad i cant just mplayer *.daa )= |
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| 06:50.27 | Skiver | !xgl |
| 06:50.27 | dpkg_ | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 06:52.13 | Valmarko | Hello there. What is tha latest version (stable) of Debian and, where can I get ISO of the operating system? Thank you |
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| 06:52.46 | cb | debian.org? |
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| 06:52.54 | Supaplex | is the rt2570 a prism chipset? |
| 06:52.58 | Skiver | lol. |
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| 06:55.01 | devicenull | hrm, no easy way to install cedega, damn |
| 06:56.12 | Skiver | devicenull, what for ? |
| 06:56.32 | cast | just play ut/quake/et :> |
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| 06:56.43 | Skiver | what's et ? |
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| 06:56.56 | PingFloyd | are you talk about that old atari 2600 game :) |
| 06:56.57 | Supaplex | !cedega |
| 06:56.57 | dpkg_ | methinks cedega is the new name for Transgaming's WineX - a proprietary fork of WINE designed to play Windows games. Limited CVS available at http://transgaming.org/cvs/ but missing key components such as copy protection or installshield functionality, or and the packaging saga summarised at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200205/msg02823.html |
| 06:56.58 | cast | enemy territory [free download] |
| 06:56.59 | PingFloyd | E.T. |
| 06:57.03 | devicenull | Skiver: ventrilo |
| 06:57.43 | cast | devicenull: surely transgaming supplies debs? |
| 06:58.14 | devicenull | I have to look at it again |
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| 06:58.23 | Skiver | like those gamers use for voice comm ? |
| 06:58.24 | devicenull | a long time ago they only charged for binary builds |
| 06:58.29 | devicenull | yea, exactly |
| 06:58.39 | devicenull | I have to see if I can still get a copy of the source and compile it |
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| 06:58.45 | Skiver | i see, good luck. |
| 06:58.51 | Skiver | cast : tell me about et. |
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| 06:59.18 | cast | well check this out man...its a game right |
| 06:59.46 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein:_Enemy_Territory |
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| 07:01.00 | Skiver | FPS, not my kind of game =/ |
| 07:01.37 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenArena hmm, [game from ids gpl'd q3 source] |
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| 07:01.50 | Skiver | I miss nwn. |
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| 07:02.22 | cast | i quite like id's policy of releasing their old game engines under the GPL, :) |
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| 07:04.05 | SerajewelKS | Skiver: nwn has a linux binary |
| 07:04.37 | Skiver | SerajewelKS, yes, i'm done with that. Now there's nwn2 =[ |
| 07:04.53 | SerajewelKS | Skiver: ah, have they ported that too? |
| 07:04.56 | Skiver | without linux port though. |
| 07:05.03 | SerajewelKS | oh well |
| 07:05.06 | Skiver | that's why i'm gonna miss it. |
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| 07:05.53 | SerajewelKS | i keep around windows for things like that, like guild wars, need for speed, etc |
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| 07:06.07 | erpo | Would someone recommend a good HTTP proxy that requires minimal configuration and won't interfere with my browsing too much? I just need to bounce my web traffic off of another host. |
| 07:06.41 | SerajewelKS | erpo: privoxy maybe... it's mangling features can be disabled with one switch |
| 07:07.16 | SerajewelKS | erpo: or there's mod_proxy for apache |
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| 07:07.33 | unsucht | how come i don't have /dev/dsp? |
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| 07:08.37 | SerajewelKS | unsucht: maybe you are using alsa and don't have oss emulation on, or maybe you don't have a sound card, or maybe it's not being detected |
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| 07:19.30 | erpo | Thanks all. |
| 07:19.51 | erpo | Especially SerajewelKS. |
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| 07:21.55 | PingFloyd | unsucht: I think it usually won't create /dev/dsp until something needs it, you're set up with udev, and have the alsa-oss emulation module running |
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| 07:22.58 | PingFloyd | if everything is working like it should, an app that makes use of oss, the device should be created and it works (providing everything else is in place and set up right) |
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| 07:27.03 | devicenull | so, will bbkeys launch itself automatically, or do I have to do something to get it to launch |
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| 07:29.09 | PingFloyd | devicenull: I think usually, but you might try checking in the menus for it or something |
| 07:30.05 | PingFloyd | if you don't see anything in the menus, then maybe try running update-menus (though packages will usually take care of that automatically as a part of their postinst script). |
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| 07:31.26 | PingFloyd | I'm not using bbkeys right now, so I can't tell you for sure, but you might check into that. Seems like blackbox is pretty sparse about any sort of manual configuring of a configue file. That .blackboxrc seems like it doesn't really have any settings outside of what you can set through blackbox it's self. |
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| 07:33.27 | iLL_Afk | you may wanna try fluxbox then |
| 07:33.37 | iLL_Afk | flux is pretty nice and has decent docs |
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| 07:33.59 | devicenull | I think I'm just going to add it to my xsession file |
| 07:34.11 | scx | I want to adopt a rabbit! http://nabaztag.com |
| 07:34.22 | scx | :) |
| 07:34.28 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know a good step by step guide for Debian Linux to take an .avi file or any type of movie / video file and make it so it can be burned on a DVD to play in a standard DVD Player? |
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| 07:35.21 | jintr | hello guys, am facing trouble with linux kernels 2.6.18-2 and 2.6.18-3 and vmware(working fine with 2.6.18-1)..... check out http://jindal.pastebin.ca/309102 |
| 07:35.30 | scx | just use k9copy or kmediafactory |
| 07:36.03 | DavidProck1981 | scx you talking to me |
| 07:36.13 | jetscreamer | avidemux |
| 07:36.17 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 07:36.18 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 07:36.29 | scx | DavidProck1981: sure |
| 07:36.51 | scx | avidemux may help although I've never used it |
| 07:37.18 | jetscreamer | it even has presets for that |
| 07:37.25 | scx | and the "marillat" is 4 you also |
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| 07:38.26 | DavidProck1981 | ok ill check it out |
| 07:38.30 | jetscreamer | # ffmpeg -i /mnt/hde2/hfdsbackup/mi1-cd1.avi -target ntsc-dvd -aspect 4:3 -acodec copy -acodec copy /mnt/hde3/output/mi1-cd1.mpg |
| 07:39.05 | jetscreamer | of course whatever you use to convert, you'll still have to put it in dvd format with dvdauthor or something |
| 07:39.15 | jetscreamer | if you want to actually burn a dvd |
| 07:39.28 | scx | yah: jetscreamer, that's it |
| 07:39.33 | jetscreamer | ffmpeg is easiest |
| 07:39.41 | cwheeler | jetscreamer the old joystick package didn't get it working. i'm compiling my own kernel now |
| 07:39.45 | jetscreamer | mplayer gives you more control |
| 07:39.53 | scx | vlc can do it also |
| 07:40.01 | jetscreamer | must be the gameport or so |
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| 07:40.24 | jetscreamer | if you edited the udev correctly |
| 07:40.25 | cwheeler | gameport is on a soundblaster card so it should work |
| 07:40.39 | cwheeler | i didn't change udev, i passed jstest the device to use |
| 07:40.45 | cwheeler | that works right? |
| 07:40.45 | jetscreamer | aha |
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| 07:41.15 | cwheeler | if jstest won't work nothing will right? |
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| 07:42.01 | jetscreamer | KERNEL=="js[0-9]*",NAME="%k" |
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| 07:42.11 | cwheeler | when i ran jstest I got "no such device", i checked the major and minor numbers of the device file they are correct |
| 07:42.12 | DavidProck1981 | out of all the ways you guys mentioned to make a dvd movie, which one of those are more flexable / gives more options |
| 07:42.18 | cwheeler | the modules are all loaded |
| 07:42.25 | cwheeler | what's that do jetscreamer ? |
| 07:42.28 | jetscreamer | not #KERNEL=="js[0-9]*",NAME="input/%k" |
| 07:42.40 | jetscreamer | nano -w /etc/udev/udev.rules |
| 07:42.40 | unsucht | how do i create a /dev/dsp file? |
| 07:42.50 | tonsofpcs | you don't |
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| 07:43.04 | unsucht | y is it not there? |
| 07:43.13 | multi_io | ln -s /dev/dsp0 /dev/dsp |
| 07:43.42 | jetscreamer | DavidProck1981: use avidemux at first, man mencoder or ffmpeg when you want to |
| 07:43.57 | cwheeler | jetscreamer that just puts the device files where other programs expect them correct? |
| 07:44.19 | cwheeler | if i run jstest and pass it the device file changing udev won't matter right? |
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| 07:44.40 | linux__alien | when is Etch getting released |
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| 07:44.48 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: as i said, i've told you what works for me |
| 07:44.56 | jetscreamer | all the programs find my js |
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| 07:45.06 | multi_io | if /dev/dsp0 doesn't exist either, mknod /dev/foo c 14 3 |
| 07:45.08 | jetscreamer | haven't had one not yet |
| 07:45.20 | DavidProck1981 | ok later all and thanks |
| 07:45.25 | multi_io | but usually that shouldn't be necessary |
| 07:45.28 | cwheeler | jstest docs says you have to give it the path to the device file |
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| 07:45.53 | PingFloyd | in other words, it needs to be under /dev/input instead of just /dev, right |
| 07:45.55 | jetscreamer | after i edit the rule and installjoystick i reboot |
| 07:46.05 | multi_io | errm mknod /dev/dsp0 c 14 3 |
| 07:46.16 | jetscreamer | no for me i has to be in /dev, not /dev/input |
| 07:46.21 | jetscreamer | if you mean the js |
| 07:46.33 | PingFloyd | I see now, looked again |
| 07:46.34 | cwheeler | there's a program called "jstest" |
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| 07:46.39 | PingFloyd | got them reversed |
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| 07:46.56 | sac | hi, what is the minimum recommended space required for /boot? |
| 07:46.57 | cwheeler | you pass it the path to the device file so i assume it doesn't matter where it is |
| 07:47.08 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: ok... |
| 07:47.52 | cwheeler | when i run jstest it says "no device", the major and minor numbers are correct and the modules are loaded |
| 07:47.57 | PingFloyd | cwheeler: don't know for sure, until you try |
| 07:48.04 | cwheeler | so i'm compiling a kernel |
| 07:48.20 | PingFloyd | cwheeler: there may be other stuff going on in the program that what it presents to the user |
| 07:48.40 | cahoot | sac: why have a separate /boot partition if space is an issue? |
| 07:48.43 | PingFloyd | s/that/than |
| 07:49.07 | cwheeler | I can use mknod to make a file in /dev to test right? |
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| 07:49.51 | jetscreamer | jetx:~ > jstest --normal /dev/js0 Joystick (Microsoft Microsoft SideWinder Precision Pro (USB)) has 6 axes and 9 buttons. Driver version is 2.1.0. |
| 07:49.55 | PingFloyd | cwheeler: the idea, is that udev should take care of that |
| 07:49.56 | jetscreamer | hey seems to work just fine |
| 07:50.07 | cwheeler | i just want to see if it works |
| 07:50.15 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 07:50.34 | cwheeler | then i'll change udev |
| 07:50.49 | cwheeler | so i don't have to reboot all the time and feel like i'm using windows |
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| 07:50.51 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: |
| 07:51.09 | jetscreamer | ALWAYS back up the file you are about to edit , first. |
| 07:51.20 | jetscreamer | unless you're 1337 like jeffk |
| 07:51.28 | landexem | What software can I use to decode an MPEG-4 .m4a into WAV/MPW/FLAC? |
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| 07:51.42 | jetscreamer | there's some stuff on marillat |
| 07:51.43 | PingFloyd | that's a good thing to mention, I always assume everyone always does anyway :) |
| 07:51.45 | cwheeler | good advice jetscreamer , I do |
| 07:51.49 | jetscreamer | mencoder might |
| 07:51.51 | cwheeler | saved me |
| 07:51.57 | jetscreamer | i forget never mess with mp4 |
| 07:53.02 | landexem | Same here jetscreamer, but I acquired a small amount of M4A's and I'd like them decoded into FLACs |
| 07:53.22 | cwheeler | jetscreamer what are the major & minor numbers of your js0 device? |
| 07:53.34 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 07:53.50 | cwheeler | ls -l /dev/js0 |
| 07:54.44 | jetscreamer | alias char-major-13-0 joydev ? |
| 07:55.04 | cwheeler | thanks, that's what i have too |
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| 07:55.13 | jetscreamer | 1 root root 13, 0 |
| 07:55.26 | cwheeler | and what devices.txt says are the correct numbers |
| 07:55.27 | jbrouhard | Anyone have a good Debian back-up how to ? |
| 07:55.44 | jetscreamer | boot a live cd and zip it up |
| 07:55.48 | jetscreamer | seriously |
| 07:55.59 | jetscreamer | but no not really |
| 07:56.08 | jetscreamer | i think on debian.org there is |
| 07:56.11 | jbrouhard | jetscreamer: yeah.. sure.. if I have physical access |
| 07:56.19 | jbrouhard | This is a colocated box that I'd prefer NOT to take down |
| 07:56.43 | unsucht | how can i tell what my sound dev is? |
| 07:57.16 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
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| 07:57.50 | PingFloyd | what I do is create a bzipped tarball of the entire system besides the virtual filesystems, and /tmp |
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| 07:58.13 | PingFloyd | but also create a seperate tarball for my /home |
| 07:58.19 | PingFloyd | seems to work pretty good for me |
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| 07:59.13 | PingFloyd | *nixes are nice and easy when it comes to back ups and images |
| 07:59.44 | jbrouhard | Well |
| 07:59.49 | jbrouhard | I used dump and restore before |
| 07:59.55 | jbrouhard | however, I need to run dump on a box |
| 07:59.59 | jbrouhard | without unmounting the file system |
| 08:00.04 | PingFloyd | In the Windows world you get overcharged for crappy "backup" software that doesn't even work right half of the time, and if it does, it's very limited. |
| 08:00.07 | jbrouhard | this is still possible to do right ? |
| 08:00.27 | jbrouhard | The file system i have is a single partition, / |
| 08:00.34 | jetscreamer | i zip windows also |
| 08:00.35 | jbrouhard | if i put the backup directory as /backup |
| 08:00.46 | jbrouhard | can i just run dump -0 / /backup ?? |
| 08:00.59 | jbrouhard | (i think i got that partially wrong..) |
| 08:01.15 | PingFloyd | yeah, but apps like ghost are hit and miss |
| 08:01.45 | PingFloyd | whereas dd seems to work for all sorts of scenarios |
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| 08:03.13 | PingFloyd | jbrouhard: I don't know, I don't use dump, if you're trying to make an image though, dd usually works great |
| 08:03.22 | jbrouhard | hmm |
| 08:03.27 | jbrouhard | well making an image would work |
| 08:03.34 | jbrouhard | if i had a way to restor... grr |
| 08:03.39 | jetscreamer | i dd also, always good. the zip used to be iffy for win, but |
| 08:03.43 | jetscreamer | dd.exe for win even |
| 08:03.44 | jbrouhard | dd if=Soure of=destination |
| 08:03.45 | jbrouhard | ?? |
| 08:03.54 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 08:04.00 | jetscreamer | source |
| 08:04.03 | jbrouhard | so if i wanted to make an exact snapshot of my file system |
| 08:04.11 | PingFloyd | how was dd.exe? |
| 08:04.15 | jetscreamer | works |
| 08:04.18 | PingFloyd | never knew about a dd.exe for win |
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| 08:04.29 | jbrouhard | i'd do dd if=/ of=/backup/2007-01-07-adama ? |
| 08:04.30 | jetscreamer | yeah there's a gnuutils for win |
| 08:04.36 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 08:04.43 | jetscreamer | i use adama also |
| 08:04.48 | jetscreamer | thief! |
| 08:04.52 | jbrouhard | LOL |
| 08:04.55 | jbrouhard | sorry :) |
| 08:05.06 | jetscreamer | oh no |
| 08:05.15 | jetscreamer | dd is more like for the partition |
| 08:05.23 | PingFloyd | yep |
| 08:05.24 | jbrouhard | so... |
| 08:05.39 | jetscreamer | and i 'think' it should be unmounted but i dunno |
| 08:05.41 | jbrouhard | dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/backup/2007-01-07-adama ? |
| 08:05.50 | PingFloyd | jbrouhard: if I were you, I would use tar |
| 08:05.57 | PingFloyd | that way you can verify it |
| 08:06.02 | jbrouhard | Yeah |
| 08:06.02 | jetscreamer | tar is for backing up |
| 08:06.03 | JeroenE | jbrouhard: you can't dd where both the source and destination are on the same partition |
| 08:06.09 | jbrouhard | Okay |
| 08:06.10 | PingFloyd | and that's one of tar's main purposes -- backups |
| 08:06.17 | jbrouhard | at my old job |
| 08:06.22 | jbrouhard | we'd have three linux servers |
| 08:06.22 | PingFloyd | then make yourself some sort of rescue disk |
| 08:06.31 | jbrouhard | so what I did was created a huge file server |
| 08:06.36 | jbrouhard | that I could store backup images on |
| 08:06.39 | PingFloyd | be it something like a knoppix cd etc |
| 08:06.41 | jbrouhard | what each client did at different times |
| 08:06.50 | jbrouhard | was dump (full backup) to a partition |
| 08:06.53 | jbrouhard | then tar that dump file up |
| 08:06.55 | PingFloyd | then you got a full time restore solution |
| 08:06.56 | jetscreamer | that's what i do but i keep running out of room |
| 08:06.58 | jbrouhard | and scp it over the file system |
| 08:07.07 | jbrouhard | and once that scp is finished |
| 08:07.11 | jbrouhard | it'd delete the dump file |
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| 08:07.20 | jbrouhard | Would that work ? |
| 08:07.24 | jbrouhard | Please note |
| 08:07.41 | jbrouhard | I'm backing up a machine that is over 800 miles away (Colocation in Portland, ORegon, and i'm just north of Kansas City, MO) |
| 08:08.21 | jetscreamer | also, rsync while excluding the virt dirs maybe but i know nothing |
| 08:08.26 | PingFloyd | jbrouhard: I'm not sure of the ramification of dump |
| 08:08.36 | PingFloyd | like whether you need to umount or anything like that |
| 08:08.44 | jbrouhard | I know |
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| 08:08.51 | jbrouhard | unmounting pretty much means everything is backed up |
| 08:08.54 | jbrouhard | and if someone changes a file |
| 08:08.58 | jbrouhard | it won't affect anything |
| 08:09.04 | jbrouhard | There was one other option |
| 08:09.06 | jbrouhard | rdiff-backup |
| 08:09.16 | jbrouhard | Problem is |
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| 08:09.24 | jbrouhard | I have root login disabled via SSH |
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| 08:09.40 | PingFloyd | there may be some files you won't have read access to |
| 08:09.50 | jbrouhard | Well |
| 08:09.56 | jbrouhard | I can re-enable root login |
| 08:09.58 | JeroenE | what's wrong with sudo? |
| 08:09.59 | PingFloyd | but I think that will mostly be under /var |
| 08:10.10 | jbrouhard | JeroenE nothing. haven't enabled it |
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| 08:10.31 | JeroenE | you can enable sudo so you without have to ssh as root |
| 08:10.47 | JeroenE | Do you really want to backup the entire box? |
| 08:10.57 | JeroenE | Perhaps only stuff like /var/ww ? |
| 08:10.57 | jbrouhard | Haven't been able to find a decent document that shows me precisely how |
| 08:10.59 | jbrouhard | to set it up |
| 08:11.06 | jbrouhard | I need the *ENTIRE* box backed up |
| 08:11.38 | JeroenE | if the box crashes how are you going to restore? |
| 08:11.49 | jetscreamer | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux-Complete-Backup-and-Recovery-HOWTO/index.html |
| 08:11.53 | jbrouhard | Coloc provider is a good friend of mine |
| 08:11.58 | pogo_FUBAR | jbrouhard, uhmm... cp -a -x /src /dest |
| 08:11.59 | jbrouhard | He can get to the box and run restore for me |
| 08:12.22 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/search?q=backup+site%3Atldp.org |
| 08:12.44 | JeroenE | Can't you get another hd in so you can backup to that for example? |
| 08:12.50 | PingFloyd | whatever you do, I would make sure your solution has some way to verify |
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| 08:13.04 | PingFloyd | so you know up front any catch 22s |
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| 08:13.29 | nayyares | what is the best linux online technical aritcle magzine ? |
| 08:13.36 | jetscreamer | that oughta shut him up for a while :) |
| 08:13.43 | jetscreamer | (a joke) |
| 08:14.09 | JeroenE | I don't know what you run on the box, but it's possible that if you get a good hd image the backup is still not complete; sometimes programs also keep info in memory |
| 08:14.12 | jbrouhard | heh |
| 08:14.37 | jbrouhard | Well |
| 08:14.39 | karsten | Does anyone remember the name of the smiley expo? |
| 08:14.41 | karsten | Oh yeah. |
| 08:14.43 | jbrouhard | my original backup scripts did this: |
| 08:14.45 | karsten | EmotiCon. |
| 08:14.48 | jbrouhard | a) ran dump on all file systems |
| 08:14.58 | jbrouhard | b) tarballed (bz2 compression) all dump files |
| 08:15.06 | jbrouhard | c) scp'd the tarball to a backup server |
| 08:15.16 | jbrouhard | and when the script is run next time, it deletes the tarball and dump files |
| 08:15.28 | jbrouhard | i was able to restore like four machines from these dump files |
| 08:15.35 | JeroenE | So why do you want to change? |
| 08:15.40 | jbrouhard | I don't. |
| 08:15.44 | jbrouhard | I don't have that script anymore ;( |
| 08:15.52 | pogo_FUBAR | hi: "eth1: unregister usbnet" along with "ax8817x_interrupt_complete failed"-hardware works fine except with stable (kernel 2.6.8-3)...any help on keeping the usbnet from unregistering the eth device? |
| 08:15.53 | jbrouhard | *THAT* is my problem :) |
| 08:16.02 | JeroenE | can't resist: you didn't backup your backup script? ;) |
| 08:16.04 | karsten | jbrouhard: You forgot to backup your backup script? |
| 08:16.06 | karsten | Heh. |
| 08:16.24 | jbrouhard | LOL |
| 08:16.28 | PingFloyd | computer shit can be ironic like that sometimes |
| 08:16.31 | jbrouhard | I had the backup script on my computer at my old job |
| 08:16.36 | jbrouhard | When i left |
| 08:16.44 | jbrouhard | I didn't take the script with me |
| 08:16.54 | jbrouhard | in fact I think i had it deleted months prior to my leaving |
| 08:17.04 | jbrouhard | cause the new Net Admin converted all my linux boxes to Windows (the horror...) |
| 08:17.12 | Guerin | wtf |
| 08:17.20 | JeroenE | but if you wrote it once you can write it again, no? |
| 08:17.25 | PingFloyd | you company is run by idiots |
| 08:17.37 | PingFloyd | migrating from Linux to Windows is assbackward as it gets |
| 08:17.46 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 08:17.57 | jbrouhard | lol |
| 08:17.58 | Guerin | migrating from linux to 0s/2 |
| 08:18.01 | jbrouhard | it was a government job <G> |
| 08:18.04 | karsten | On a related note, there's a new Gartner report on future directions in IT infrastructure out. |
| 08:18.17 | jbrouhard | JeroenE: I could write it again |
| 08:18.24 | jbrouhard | but I am having trouble with the proper dump syntax |
| 08:18.26 | PingFloyd | it's like being born free in life and aspiring to be put in shackles |
| 08:18.27 | jbrouhard | and if it actually works |
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| 08:18.45 | JeroenE | I don't know dump, so I can't help you there. man dump ? |
| 08:18.46 | karsten | Question on "what would Microsoft have to do to become a credible enterprise systems service vendor", multiple choices, percentages listed. Option: "They already are". |
| 08:18.57 | karsten | Percentage of respondents selecting same: 0. |
| 08:19.06 | jbrouhard | No surprise |
| 08:19.09 | orkid | i've fixed my network problem. it was fixed by doing echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 08:19.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:19.17 | karsten | 750ish tech managers, Las Vegas convention late Nov / early Dec. |
| 08:19.19 | orkid | my modem prolly doesn't support it |
| 08:19.44 | karsten | jbrouhard: backup scripts can (and IMO should) be pretty simple. |
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| 08:20.00 | karsten | jbrouhard: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+backup+faq |
| 08:20.09 | karsten | jbrouhard: ... *still* points to my page on the topic ;-) |
| 08:20.57 | karsten | jbrouhard: What's the name of this fucked company by chance? |
| 08:21.14 | Guerin | karsten: DOD Corp |
| 08:21.59 | Guerin | bah, I was just at a conference ... the mics were wired through a flash mixing desk and all ... but nobody was recording them |
| 08:22.14 | jbrouhard | karsten: City of Saint Joseph, Missouri |
| 08:22.28 | Guerin | which is a pain in the arse because I would have liked to refer to some of the comments for my thesis |
| 08:22.32 | karsten | jbrouhard: You can run dump but it's pretty old-school. I'd prefer tar or rsync myself these days. |
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| 08:22.43 | Guerin | yes, rsync FTW |
| 08:22.55 | karsten | FTW? |
| 08:23.02 | Guerin | !ftw |
| 08:23.02 | dpkg_ | hmm... ftw is wtf backwards, or for the win |
| 08:23.12 | karsten | What's with dpkg? |
| 08:23.19 | karsten | dpkg_: Who are you? |
| 08:23.20 | Guerin | he has a tail |
| 08:23.29 | karsten | Guerin: Stop feeding him viagra! |
| 08:23.37 | jbrouhard | lol |
| 08:23.38 | jbrouhard | okay |
| 08:23.40 | Guerin | hehe |
| 08:23.40 | jbrouhard | so if I run tar |
| 08:23.48 | jbrouhard | Gimem an example please? |
| 08:23.56 | jbrouhard | i have one file system mount.. and its / |
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| 08:24.11 | karsten | jbrouhard: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html |
| 08:24.16 | karsten | jbrouhard: Your example is there. |
| 08:24.21 | jbrouhard | I'm reading that |
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| 08:24.28 | Guerin | jbrouhard: man tar is not hard |
| 08:24.32 | karsten | jbrouhard: End of page. |
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| 08:24.41 | jbrouhard | I'm reading the example... |
| 08:24.46 | Guerin | the most important thing is to either do it as root, or use -p |
| 08:24.53 | jbrouhard | so.. tar cf /path/to/backup $path 1>/dev/null |
| 08:24.53 | jbrouhard | ?? |
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| 08:25.26 | karsten | jbrouhard: My examples assume you're writing to tape, with HW tape compression. |
| 08:25.36 | Guerin | jbrouhard: you will want to exclude cwd and some other things (like /tmp, /proc, /sys, usw) |
| 08:25.36 | PingFloyd | tar cf junk.tar / |
| 08:25.37 | jbrouhard | Yeah.. i noticed |
| 08:25.43 | karsten | jbrouhard: Generally: tar cf <archive to create> <path to archive> |
| 08:25.49 | PingFloyd | as simple as that, with whatever extra spice you want to add |
| 08:26.08 | karsten | jbrouhard: if the archive is tape: /dev/nrst0 (nonrewinding scsi tape 0). |
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| 08:26.11 | jbrouhard | karsten can your script be adapted to use Bz2 compression ? |
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| 08:26.24 | Guerin | jbrouhard: man tar |
| 08:26.26 | karsten | jbrouhard: -j == bzip1. -z == gzip. man tar |
| 08:26.32 | jbrouhard | Well, yeah |
| 08:26.34 | jbrouhard | I mean |
| 08:26.38 | Guerin | mantar! sounds like a cartoon baddie |
| 08:26.44 | jbrouhard | Your verifying part.. |
| 08:26.48 | jbrouhard | t means test right |
| 08:27.08 | jbrouhard | hmm |
| 08:27.11 | Guerin | jbrouhard: man tar |
| 08:27.12 | jbrouhard | mesa gotsa some stuff to do |
| 08:27.14 | Guerin | grrr |
| 08:27.16 | karsten | jbrouhard: technically, "list". man tar. |
| 08:27.24 | jbrouhard | Oy |
| 08:27.30 | karsten | jbrouhard: ... and whatever your next question is: man tar. |
| 08:27.31 | jbrouhard | If I had a deiban box handy i'd run that |
| 08:27.46 | karsten | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/tar.1.html |
| 08:27.59 | karsten | jbrouhard: manpages are frequently online. |
| 08:28.32 | karsten | jbrouhard: Or from a Debian box: http://olympus.het.brown.edu/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man1/tac.1.gz |
| 08:28.45 | JeroenE | you can also login to the box you want to backup right? |
| 08:28.50 | jbrouhard | heh |
| 08:28.50 | karsten | Erm: http://olympus.het.brown.edu/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man1/tar.1.gz |
| 08:29.35 | karsten | JeroenE: With ssh it doesn't particularly matter where you start. You can invoke tar remotely via SSH, or locally, and tunnel output to another system over ssh. |
| 08:29.35 | jbrouhard | karsten, one last question. |
| 08:29.40 | karsten | jbrouhard: 42 |
| 08:29.40 | jbrouhard | that 1>/dev/null |
| 08:29.53 | jbrouhard | would that be required if you use a local path rather than a tape drive ? |
| 08:30.14 | Guerin | in what way is a tape non-local? |
| 08:30.18 | karsten | jbrouhard: The test is concerned with the exit status, not the output itself of tar (a file listing). So we discard stdout. |
| 08:30.24 | JeroenE | karsten: sure, but he can login to the box and do man tar there |
| 08:30.26 | karsten | Guerin: When it's remote ;-) |
| 08:30.35 | jbrouhard | ah. |
| 08:30.36 | jbrouhard | gotcha |
| 08:30.38 | Guerin | karsten: a remote tape is local somewhere :) |
| 08:30.43 | jbrouhard | so the 1>/dev/null helps for checking |
| 08:30.53 | jbrouhard | i.e. verify the archive ? |
| 08:30.57 | karsten | JeroenE: We can short-circuit that problem by pointing to someone's dwww-hosted manpages though. |
| 08:31.04 | jbrouhard | Guerin: There is NO tape drive |
| 08:31.04 | JeroenE | true |
| 08:31.08 | karsten | jbrouhard: It just eliminates a lot of garbage output. |
| 08:31.13 | jbrouhard | ah. Ok |
| 08:31.22 | karsten | Guerin: Isn't that a famous saying? "All tape is local"? |
| 08:31.23 | Guerin | jbrouhard: that's definitely not local |
| 08:31.24 | jbrouhard | definitely not usint tar cvjpf :P |
| 08:31.50 | jbrouhard | v would just clutter up the screen or worse yet end up on my log file ;) |
| 08:32.03 | Guerin | karsten: if that's a coirollary to the Law of Backups as espoused by SlayerXP: "If you can't take it with you, it's not a backup." |
| 08:32.07 | karsten | jbrouhard: 1>/dev/null or 2>/dev/null or 1>/dev/null 2>&1 are frequently seen in shell scripts. It basically means "discard output" or "discard errors". |
| 08:32.28 | karsten | jbrouhard: might be useful to log. |
| 08:32.58 | jbrouhard | Ah. Ok |
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| 08:33.08 | jbrouhard | If i want to use your script and exclude.. say.. /backup |
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| 08:33.20 | jbrouhard | add excludedir="/backup" ? |
| 08:33.25 | karsten | Guerin: In an earlier cut of The Godfather, Marlon Brandon made a backup you couldn't restore.... |
| 08:33.36 | karsten | jbrouhard: man tar ;-) |
| 08:33.38 | jbrouhard | and add -X $excludedir ? |
| 08:33.56 | jbrouhard | Actually |
| 08:34.00 | jbrouhard | i just shot myself in the foot on that |
| 08:34.05 | jbrouhard | if i"m backing up / |
| 08:34.09 | jbrouhard | it'll back up /backup anyway |
| 08:34.13 | karsten | jbrouhard: Yeah. |
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| 08:34.24 | Techdeck | hey |
| 08:34.26 | karsten | jbrouhard: That's why I created seperate archives for the filesystem tree. |
| 08:34.34 | jbrouhard | Yeah |
| 08:34.43 | karsten | jbrouhard: read the rest of the essay for why I'm including/excluding specifics. |
| 08:34.44 | jbrouhard | It'll drop backup.tar.bz2 if I'm writing to it |
| 08:34.44 | Techdeck | Does anyone know why is 'dmesg' more updated than /var/log/dmesg? |
| 08:34.45 | Guerin | karsten: hah |
| 08:34.54 | Techdeck | isn't there a way to keep /var/log/dmesg updated? |
| 08:35.08 | karsten | Techdeck: That's not what it's for. |
| 08:35.18 | karsten | Techdeck: /var/log/kern.log has current kernel log messages. |
| 08:35.32 | karsten | Techdeck: /var/log/dmesg has the *boot* time kernel-ring buffer. |
| 08:35.43 | Techdeck | thank you |
| 08:35.48 | karsten | Techdeck: 'dmesg' will also give you current state, should dupe what's in /var/log/kern.log |
| 08:35.56 | karsten | Techdeck: ... minus timestamps. |
| 08:36.22 | karsten | Guerin: On a related note, I happened to be emailing Rob Enderle recently. From my linuxmafia account. |
| 08:36.39 | karsten | Guerin: ... he expressed some concern over dealing with such an organization. |
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| 08:36.51 | Guerin | HAHAH |
| 08:37.01 | Guerin | nice joke if untrue |
| 08:37.04 | Guerin | hilarious if true |
| 08:37.45 | hanneso_ | hello, i'm really getting desperade with xdmcp. i would like to use xwin.exe from a windows machine and connect to a debian box, but i do not get the loginscreen and there are no logfiles which i could use. could anyone please give me a hand? |
| 08:37.59 | Sneg | how can i use sed to keep the first 2 characters of a line, and delete the rest? i try echo "abc" | sed s/\([a-z][a-z]\).*/\1/g with no luck. |
| 08:38.08 | karsten | Guerin: ... I noted that our disciplinary actions were largely restricted to issuing kill -9 directives to local processes. Though we might make an offer he can't compile. |
| 08:38.16 | JeroenE | Sneg: use cut |
| 08:38.25 | Guerin | hehe |
| 08:38.25 | karsten | Guerin: Absolute god'strewth. Would I lie to you? |
| 08:38.31 | Guerin | karsten: nevar! |
| 08:38.43 | Guerin | karsten: it does sound stupid enough to be Enderle |
| 08:39.27 | JeroenE | Tat's the Rob Enderle of groklaw fame? |
| 08:39.43 | karsten | Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5029 |
| 08:39.49 | karsten | JeroenE: Same. |
| 08:39.53 | Sneg | JeroenE, thanks, looks like i was over-complicating it. |
| 08:39.59 | karsten | JeroenE: His SCO Forum keynote sorta disappeared. |
| 08:40.15 | karsten | JeroenE: I got it turned up again. |
| 08:40.32 | Guerin | hehe |
| 08:41.01 | JeroenE | So why would you want to email him? You were bored or something? |
| 08:41.48 | karsten | JeroenE: I was looking for the keynote. |
| 08:41.49 | Guerin | he got it turned up again |
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| 08:42.53 | karsten | http://web.archive.org/web/20060426050408/http://fallinggrace.com/article.php?story=20040811015739829 |
| 08:42.56 | JeroenE | I think there's a link to it on Groklaw ? |
| 08:43.06 | JeroenE | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20040810032827912 |
| 08:43.21 | karsten | JeroenE: They had something to do with turning it up. |
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| 08:47.33 | jbrouhard | karsten Thanks for pointing me to your site |
| 08:47.43 | jbrouhard | I think i've got this script where I want it, but I need to test it on a working machine first |
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| 08:48.31 | karsten | jbrouhard: Testing good ;-) |
| 08:48.35 | jbrouhard | always |
| 08:48.41 | jbrouhard | I think i've adapted your script |
| 08:48.48 | jbrouhard | but I need to double check to see if I got most of this right |
| 08:48.59 | jbrouhard | Speaking of which |
| 08:49.08 | jbrouhard | echo "Backup Complete" | wall |
| 08:49.09 | jbrouhard | what's wall ? |
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| 08:49.36 | jbrouhard | Er.. writa message to all users? |
| 08:49.51 | jbrouhard | I wonder |
| 08:49.58 | JeroenE | http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl1_wall.htm |
| 08:50.02 | jbrouhard | Can i execute wall <file> and then mail that to me? |
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| 08:50.37 | karsten | jbrouhard: man wall |
| 08:50.38 | jbrouhard | like so: wall /root/backupmsg.txt | mail admin@domain.com -s "Backup Information for '$date'" ??? |
| 08:50.39 | JeroenE | jbrouhard: why wall a file and then email it? |
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| 08:50.58 | JeroenE | cat ? |
| 08:51.03 | jbrouhard | hmm |
| 08:51.06 | JeroenE | or just pipe it to mail? |
| 08:51.07 | jbrouhard | I used to do that :) |
| 08:51.19 | jbrouhard | cat /root/backupmsg.txt | mail always worked |
| 08:51.34 | Guerin | !uuoc |
| 08:51.34 | dpkg_ | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
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| 08:52.01 | JeroenE | http://partmaps.org/era/unix/award.html |
| 08:52.19 | JeroenE | Guerin: My googleing for the link takes too long... |
| 08:52.22 | jbrouhard | Oh, whatever |
| 08:52.27 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:52.52 | Guerin | by shaming offenders we make the unixverse a marginally better place |
| 08:53.15 | Guerin | this is what prevents bastardations like the windows registry and OSX's stupid terminal |
| 08:53.30 | jbrouhard | *rolls eyes* |
| 08:53.34 | jbrouhard | wtfe. goodnight |
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| 08:53.43 | Guerin | ooh, he took is personal-like |
| 08:53.45 | hanneso_ | should the port 177 be listet as listening if i enable xdmcp for remote X? |
| 08:53.47 | Guerin | for shame! |
| 08:54.22 | Guerin | hanneso_: i think so |
| 08:54.50 | hanneso_ | Guerin i'm really in trouble the port is not listet at all when i look with netstat |
| 08:55.45 | hanneso_ | i use gdm as loginmanager and i have setup xdmcp=enabled in gdm.conf but still i can not use it |
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| 09:00.46 | wireddd | a/users/user/ |
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| 09:03.09 | PingFloyd | do you have kittens when people use the wrong sized fork for the wrong dish too? |
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| 09:06.22 | cahoot | PingFloyd: is that a general question to the channel? |
| 09:06.42 | cahoot | PingFloyd: if so - no |
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| 09:06.52 | threat2 | hey |
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| 09:09.22 | Sneg | how can i make an output of a command a variable? |
| 09:09.50 | JeroenE | x=`command` |
| 09:09.57 | hanneso__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.21 | Sneg | ah so thats what those weird looking quotes do that ive been seeing all over the place |
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| 09:10.43 | JeroenE | Ehm, yes ;) |
| 09:11.08 | multi_io | x="`command`" is better |
| 09:11.31 | multi_io | (it also works if the output contains whitespaces) |
| 09:11.44 | JeroenE | var=`ls`; echo $var |
| 09:11.52 | JeroenE | but it works better if there ar enewlines, I think |
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| 09:17.28 | Sneg | im writing some scripts to automate the generation of panoramic images |
| 09:18.22 | multi_io | alright |
| 09:18.28 | JeroenE | I would assume that you have to line-up the overlapping part of the images? But I nerver made panorama shots, so I'm probably wrong |
| 09:19.09 | Sneg | for three in `cat 14` ; do two="`echo $three | cut -c1-2`" ; echo images/$two/$three/ ; done |
| 09:19.11 | Sneg | that look good? |
| 09:19.49 | Sneg | pretty much the raw images are stored in a directory thats like images/ab/abc |
| 09:21.01 | JeroenE | so in "14" theres "abc", "def" ? |
| 09:21.46 | Sneg | in 14 there are names of panoramas that have 14 images per set |
| 09:22.12 | Sneg | i use a base 24 numbering system, using letters a-x |
| 09:22.52 | Sneg | my panorama generating software is picky with batch mode, so i have to segregate the images based on number of images per panorama |
| 09:22.54 | JeroenE | then In that case $three can have more than 3 letters |
| 09:23.03 | JeroenE | I'm not sure if that's waht you want |
| 09:24.34 | Sneg | to organize things, all of the panoramas arent all stored in one folder, and have 24 in one folder according to the first 2 letters |
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| 09:25.57 | JeroenE | The command you gave will take each line in the file 14 and echo a line back. If 14 contains "abcdef" then the echoed line will be images/ab/abcdef |
| 09:26.09 | JeroenE | sorry, with a slash at the end too |
| 09:26.20 | JeroenE | I don't know if that is what you want |
| 09:26.52 | Sneg | it is, i'll be echoing names into the file 14, and each line will contain 3 letters |
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| 09:27.40 | multi_io | you want to read from 14 echo echo into 14? |
| 09:28.16 | multi_io | cause the line you posted reads from 14 and echos to stdout |
| 09:30.14 | Sneg | no, thats just a partial script right now |
| 09:30.25 | Sneg | its doing exactly what it will need to do when finished |
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| 09:30.55 | JeroenE | So what was the question again? |
| 09:31.07 | multi_io | then why do you need us? :-D |
| 09:31.32 | Sneg | i was just posting what i came up with to see if there were any big errors |
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| 09:31.52 | Sneg | although it now seems like i was just ranting |
| 09:32.24 | JeroenE | No problem, just thought I missed the question or something like that |
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| 09:35.54 | Vyrus001 | anybody know what deb pack contains the command "strip" ? |
| 09:36.11 | cast | Vyrus001: packages.debian.org has a search function |
| 09:36.23 | Vyrus001 | didnt turn it up |
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| 09:36.28 | Vyrus001 | neather did apt-cache search |
| 09:37.06 | JeroenE | man strip --> binutils |
| 09:37.59 | Vyrus001 | JeroenE, thnx :D |
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| 09:40.03 | JeroenE | Vyrus001: the search would also work: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=strip&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 09:40.23 | JeroenE | You have to use the "search contents" one, though |
| 09:40.41 | multi_io | apt-file search bin/strip |
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| 09:41.06 | Vyrus001 | ah |
| 09:41.07 | Vyrus001 | ic |
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| 09:44.40 | oga | I forgot the name of the gui used by Opera |
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| 09:44.49 | oga | tk no, Qt, no, GTK, no... |
| 09:44.56 | oga | it was... ... ... |
| 09:46.06 | oga | motif? |
| 09:46.31 | multi_io | Qt |
| 09:46.59 | oga | no, |
| 09:47.13 | oga | just partially |
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| 09:49.06 | MarkT- | Is there a jdk6 package for debian? |
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| 09:49.32 | multi_io | oga: don't know what you mean with "gui", then. opera uses libqt |
| 09:49.33 | oga | multi_io: oh, youre right, 9 uses Qt, cool |
| 09:50.24 | oga | gui toolkit should I say |
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| 09:52.21 | MarkT- | hmmmm.... what does it mean that it took 6 hours to back up 50gig worth of data and only 10 minutes to restore it? |
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| 09:52.46 | Performa | slow write speed on the backup device/ |
| 09:52.49 | Performa | ? |
| 09:52.51 | MarkT- | most puzzling... especially since the backup medium is a hard drive... |
| 09:52.52 | Performa | stupid shift key |
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| 09:53.15 | MarkT- | It was a brand new hard drive, performa |
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| 09:53.42 | cahoot | MarkT-: the restored data are valid/complete? |
| 09:53.51 | MarkT- | apparently, yep... |
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| 09:54.29 | MarkT- | I am doing the restore on a different distro, but other than that, everything is the same. |
| 09:54.29 | JeroenE | Can you restore to an empty hd? |
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| 09:54.58 | JeroenE | You put the hd in a different machine? |
| 09:55.05 | MarkT- | Nope... same computer. |
| 09:55.15 | MarkT- | The only thing that is different is the linux distro. |
| 09:55.21 | MarkT- | I did the backup from slackware |
| 09:55.27 | MarkT- | I did the restore from debian |
| 09:55.49 | JeroenE | Perhaps other ide/sata drivers in the different distro's? Other hdparm settings? |
| 09:56.24 | MarkT- | actually, I was just thinking of that... slackware doesn't do any hdparm stuff by default |
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| 09:57.17 | MarkT- | but if debian does, it would be faster... I'm amazed at the speed difference though... this is just huge. |
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| 09:57.38 | MarkT- | almost a hundred times faster |
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| 09:58.15 | JeroenE | Are the slackware and debian distro's on the same hd? |
| 09:58.20 | MarkT- | well, I exaggerate... about 50 times faster, now that I think of it... but still, huge. |
| 09:58.49 | MarkT- | jeroene: the slackware distro was on the hd, I did a backup to another hd and replaced the slackware with debian and did a restore. |
| 09:59.16 | MarkT- | I was only backing up my personal data, not the whole drive |
| 09:59.29 | JeroenE | Ok. If they were on different hd's than it could also be a channel issue. But apperently not :) |
| 09:59.41 | protocol1 | I agree that debian is much more memory friendly than ubuntu |
| 09:59.56 | protocol1 | Im happy I migrated |
| 10:00.03 | MarkT- | Anyways, could using hdparm make THAT much of a difference? |
| 10:00.08 | JeroenE | but things like not using dma cause use differences on it's own |
| 10:00.43 | cahoot | dma enabled makes like a 10 fold diff here |
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| 10:00.50 | MarkT- | wow... |
| 10:01.21 | MarkT- | I really expected to just start the restore and go to bed and have it done when I woke up, but it finished before I even logged off. |
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| 10:01.46 | cahoot | MarkT-: but any sane kernel should have dma enabled by default |
| 10:02.14 | maddash | I just recompiled 2.6.18.3, but I can't find any of my old modules (ie, /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq is empty, even though CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO is clearly set to "y" in my .config file)... |
| 10:02.34 | maddash | can someone point out what is wrong? |
| 10:02.43 | cahoot | not installed? |
| 10:03.21 | JeroenE | if it's "y" then it's not a module? |
| 10:03.31 | JeroenE | should be "m" if you want a module? |
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| 10:04.40 | maddash | cahoot: it ought to be...set to "m" |
| 10:04.50 | maddash | jeroene: so what does "y" mean, then? |
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| 10:05.28 | JeroenE | afaik "y" = it's compiled *in* the kernel |
| 10:05.28 | multi_io | compile statically into the kernel |
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| 10:05.40 | JeroenE | so always loaded and not a module |
| 10:06.06 | marius_ | Hello, I have multiple hosts that need to be updated with several debian flavours (even some ubuntu etc). For this I use a dutch ftp mirror but lately i'm tripping their max requests. So I want to set up a local mirror. However apt-mirror seems not the way to go since it will mirror all packages ( times the number of different flavours= a lot). I was hoping for a 'smart' solution that will just retrieve the packages as they are requested. Like |
| 10:06.06 | marius_ | a proxy as it where. is there some tool for this or should i start looking at a general proxy like squid? |
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| 10:06.48 | maddash | but if it's loaded, shouldn't it be doing it's thing? (in the default etch 2.6.18.3, *loading* speedstep-centrino writes so /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/)...? |
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| 10:06.59 | multi_io | marius_: there are several packages for that, e.g. approx |
| 10:07.13 | MarkT- | hmmmm... how reliable are debian's package recommendations? |
| 10:07.16 | JeroenE | marius_: I never found a usable package which could be a package mirror without getting everything |
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| 10:08.42 | multi_io | JeroenE: what do you mean? |
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| 10:08.53 | maddash | jeroene: let me compile with "m", see if that does the trick |
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| 10:09.28 | JeroenE | Hm, I never tried apporx, but apt-proxy was not working and downloading too many or too little |
| 10:09.46 | pogoj | Oh wow, I much prefer this Xchat to irssi. |
| 10:09.47 | JeroenE | Perhaps I can try approx one of these days |
| 10:09.55 | multi_io | dependencies will also be fetched from the cache |
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| 10:11.31 | MarkT- | I'm just trying to figure out why installing a kernel source would recommend libqt3.... |
| 10:11.38 | jintr | hello guys, am facing trouble with linux kernels 2.6.18-2 and 2.6.18-3 and vmware(working fine with 2.6.18-1)..... check out http://jindal.pastebin.ca/309102 |
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| 10:12.15 | multi_io | MarkT-: xconfig |
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| 10:14.42 | MarkT- | oh... |
| 10:14.59 | MarkT- | Hmmm.... why wouldn't it be okay with libqt4 then? |
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| 10:15.25 | mazinyer_Z | http://groups.msn.com/MARDELPLATABUENOSAIRESARGENTINA |
| 10:17.11 | marius_ | ok, i'm going to try appox.. thank you |
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| 10:20.11 | scx | If linking vmnet0 ---> eth0 in vmware, will all the virtual hosts have a direct connection to WON? |
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| 10:20.27 | scx | 'cause I want them to connect trough me |
| 10:20.44 | scx | i.e. my machine as router/gateway for them |
| 10:20.58 | scx | I'm not sure |
| 10:21.23 | scx | mmm, I better ask in #vmware isn't it? |
| 10:21.27 | scx | :) |
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| 10:28.11 | marius_ | does anyone here know how I get in touch with someone that admins ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 10:28.25 | marius_ | or is anyone here the admin for that |
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| 10:32.06 | multi_io | marius_: have you looked at the greeting message (or whatever it's called) of the server? |
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| 10:32.39 | Zweisteine | Hi! I'm using Sarge and I am attempting to compile a custom kernel, using kernel-package. I have an nForce motherboard and a SATA hdd, for which I need nv_sata loaded. I've set it to be built-into the kernel, not modulized. I've also loaded some other stuff as modules, such as my network card, etc. I've tried setting the target to amd64, to compile a 64-bit kernel, but I don't think that had any effect. Anyway, the new kernel doesn't boot, it doesn't recogn |
| 10:32.39 | Zweisteine | ize the SATA hdd. What should I check? |
| 10:32.41 | multi_io | it should contain contacr information |
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| 10:33.26 | cahoot | Zweisteine: need scsi also |
| 10:34.24 | marius_ | multi_io: yep it's saying that we passed the connection limit of 550. but the problem is that this limit is not per server but seems to be onforced on our entire subnet including all of our customers etc. So its really a nasty issue |
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| 10:34.50 | marius_ | multi_io: I cannot connect. hmm maybe from a different localtion, .. sure i'll check |
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| 10:38.05 | netfrog-work | Hi all. Somewhere between dpkg ver 1.10.28 and ver 1.13.24 it changed the behaviour. Inside a chroot it (start-stop-daemon) won't run a daemon (sysklogd for example) if it has the same name as a daemon running outside of the chroot. Traced to the change: it now readlink()s /proc/*/exe . Is there any workaround ? I couldn't find anything related on google. |
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| 10:40.27 | yang | I have apache+apache2 installed and i want to remove apache2 - this is the error i get http://paste.debian.net/19637 |
| 10:41.07 | Zweisteine | "SCSI Device Support"? |
| 10:41.43 | Flash_ | yang, might be worth moving/renaming /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so so it doesn't barf on it being corrupt |
| 10:41.50 | Flash_ | then retrying the --remove |
| 10:41.50 | cahoot | Zweisteine: need scsi disk |
| 10:42.02 | Zweisteine | yeah, it's with module |
| 10:42.04 | yang | Flash_: ok thanks |
| 10:42.11 | cahoot | Zweisteine: no in kernel i e Y |
| 10:42.27 | krinns_ | hai when am opening w website in apacte2 |
| 10:42.30 | cahoot | Zweisteine: unless you use an initrd |
| 10:42.40 | krinns_ | its opens a popup for saving doc |
| 10:42.45 | krinns_ | whats this |
| 10:42.49 | krinns_ | how i remove this |
| 10:42.53 | krinns_ | its a website |
| 10:43.02 | Zweisteine | i am; but not very sure it works. i "made" it with --initrd |
| 10:43.09 | krinns_ | not a doc that apache2 is asking in popup to sve |
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| 10:43.45 | yang | Flash_: http://paste.debian.net/19638 |
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| 10:44.27 | Flash_ | hehe, different error anyway :) |
| 10:44.29 | yang | Flash_: it doesn't want to remove it wants to upgrade |
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| 10:46.20 | yang | Flash_: what should i enter there? |
| 10:46.30 | Flash_ | that's on a " apt-get remove apache2 " ? |
| 10:46.42 | yang | Flash_: aptitude remove apache2-common |
| 10:47.13 | Flash_ | groping a bit, but isn't apache2 a metapackage containing all the deps? |
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| 10:47.33 | meldron | Hi everybody, do i have to make a restart before every programm recognize the new content of the /etc/hostname? |
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| 10:47.56 | Flash_ | meldron, no. |
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| 10:47.59 | multi_io | meldron: no |
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| 10:48.31 | meldron | hm i changed it but many programs return the old hostname |
| 10:48.43 | meldron | are there more files which set the server commonname or so? |
| 10:48.49 | multi_io | meldron: you might have to restart those programs though, depending on whether they cache the hostname internally or something |
| 10:49.10 | yang | Flash_: aptitude remove apache2 worked, but it only removed libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 10:49.14 | meldron | i did several times |
| 10:49.22 | meldron | postfix is the programm i talk about |
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| 10:50.57 | Flash_ | yang, try again? I'd run dselect or aptitude and try to remove via that interface, which should give you realtime dependancies before committing. If that doesn't work then I'm outta my depth and can't help you further. Sorry. |
| 10:51.18 | yang | ok |
| 10:52.18 | yang | Flash_: i removed the libphp4.so |
| 10:52.26 | yang | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:52.26 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.27 | yang | now i get |
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| 10:52.50 | avalon | Is there a way to use my USB memory stick as a general login for my installation? Also, can I store all my passwords on it? |
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| 10:53.46 | Skiver | yang: i've missed your question. come again ? |
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| 10:54.18 | yang | Skiver: http://paste.debian.net/19638 |
| 10:54.29 | yang | Skiver: trying to remove apache2-commmon |
| 10:55.36 | Skiver | yang: i've experienced that, ended up with apache1.3, that okay with you ? |
| 10:55.46 | cydork | avalon: there is some pam module for that iirc. google for pamusb(Or check pamusb.org not sure about that.) |
| 10:56.10 | avalon | Okay. Thanks cydork. That's step one in my major lockdown |
| 10:56.21 | yang | Skiver: yeah, i have both installed, i want to keep apache1.3 |
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| 10:57.05 | yang | but now i think i managed to remove apache2-comon through aptitude |
| 10:57.15 | yang | only apache2-utils are left |
| 10:57.35 | multi_io | meldron: errm, I think the hostname is kept in the kernel, /etc/hostname is used at boot time only |
| 10:57.46 | Skiver | yang: just remove it. |
| 10:57.47 | meldron | oh k |
| 10:57.52 | meldron | so i have to do a restart |
| 10:58.02 | multi_io | meldron: no |
| 10:58.03 | yang | Skiver: if i want to remove it...it wants to remove also apache1.3 |
| 10:58.12 | multi_io | try running hostname <new name> |
| 10:58.23 | yang | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:58.23 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:58.49 | multi_io | or hostname --file /etc/hostname to set it to the name contained in /etc/hostname |
| 10:58.51 | Skiver | yang: you're on unstable ? |
| 10:58.56 | yang | testing |
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| 10:59.05 | multi_io | (which is what should also happen at boot time) |
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| 11:00.15 | Skiver | yang: i have apache2-utils kept. |
| 11:01.04 | yang | Skiver: now on aptitude upgrade i get shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 11:01.14 | yang | Skiver: i think it deleted one package by mistake |
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| 11:01.54 | multi_io | yang: change to an existing directory |
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| 11:02.08 | yang | multi_io: ah ok |
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| 11:02.56 | Skiver | yang: these should be packages left untouched. apache, apache-common. apache2-utils |
| 11:02.57 | thp | is there anyone who knows something about etch release? |
| 11:03.18 | yang | Skiver: ok, i think i solved it now |
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| 11:04.04 | Skiver | yang: sure, you can then install other libs for php etc. |
| 11:06.50 | meldron | multi_io: i did a hostname and restartet postfix, but still postfix tells fetchmail its old server commonname |
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| 11:07.45 | multi_io | meldron: what does just running "hostname" say? |
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| 11:08.01 | meldron | the new hostname |
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| 11:08.34 | multi_io | you sure you don't configure the hostname in postfix's config somewhere? |
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| 11:10.24 | meldron | i configured it in its main.cf but i used the new hostname |
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| 11:10.58 | meldron | i've also got the problem with the ssl certificates |
| 11:10.59 | ubushine | hey folks -- quick question, after a debian etch install no desktop. what are the packages i would now need to use a working desktop with x? |
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| 11:11.44 | cast | ubushine: xorg. |
| 11:11.53 | cydork | ubushine: run tasksel and select desktop |
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| 11:12.27 | ubushine | cydork, would that give me more than i might want? |
| 11:12.58 | ubushine | could i just apt-get kdesktop or gnome-desktop just to get basics. or do i need other packages. other than xorg? |
| 11:13.02 | dooglus | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg tells me "No X server known for your hardware", but it's an ATI card - surely that's known |
| 11:13.16 | cydork | ubushine: then like cast said install xorg, also /msg dpkg install kde |
| 11:13.27 | cydork | ubushine: or /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 11:13.33 | Skiver | ubushine: apt-get install xorg kde-base |
| 11:13.46 | ubushine | Skiver, and that will get me running. |
| 11:13.51 | Skiver | ubushine: should be light weighted. |
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| 11:14.15 | ubushine | i just wanted to avoid extra stuff i might not need during the install when it asked me to choose xDesktop. i didn't want both kde and gnome |
| 11:14.17 | Skiver | ubushine: you can get other metapacks later for kde. |
| 11:14.21 | multi_io | meldron: well, maybe reboot :) unless it's a problem for other people |
| 11:14.41 | multi_io | although I'm sure that's not technically necessary |
| 11:14.49 | dooglus | !radeon |
| 11:14.50 | dpkg_ | rumour has it, radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 11:15.21 | meldron | hm |
| 11:15.24 | meldron | multi_io: thanks |
| 11:15.40 | multi_io | or grep the config files for the old hostname just to be sure :) |
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| 11:16.50 | Skiver | oops ubushine |
| 11:16.56 | Skiver | it's kdebase |
| 11:17.01 | Skiver | not kde-base |
| 11:17.34 | ubushine | Skiver, ya, thought so |
| 11:17.43 | ubushine | i've been trying /msg dpkg kde install and it's not doing anything? should i get another window with info? |
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| 11:19.04 | Skiver | ubushine: maybe there's no entry regarding that topic |
| 11:19.05 | cydork | !install kde |
| 11:19.06 | dpkg_ | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 11:19.20 | Coke | Hi. I'm trying out cgdb, are there any GTK (or any X) interfaces to gdb? |
| 11:19.37 | cydork | !info xgdb |
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| 11:19.40 | ubushine | ok, so then -- with xorg and kdebase i'll get a working x-desktop with kde? |
| 11:19.59 | cydork | ubushine: yes. |
| 11:20.06 | ubushine | cydork, cheers |
| 11:20.14 | Skiver | ubushine: theoritically, yes =P |
| 11:20.21 | ubushine | ya -- wish me luck |
| 11:20.32 | JeroenE | ubushine: good luck |
| 11:20.40 | ubushine | cheers |
| 11:21.10 | Skiver | you probably don't need it, from my confidence in debian. |
| 11:22.01 | Coke | cydork: hm. actualy cgdb is nicer. :) |
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| 11:22.17 | Skiver | Coke: what's cgdb ? |
| 11:22.34 | cydork | Coke: actully i never tried anything else than gdb :P |
| 11:22.44 | Jemt | Greetings. Is it possible to install Debian *without* Grub/Lilo or any other bootloader, and instead create a bootCD that will start the harddisk installation? |
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| 11:23.36 | Coke | Skiver: curses interface. |
| 11:23.53 | cast | Jemt: of course |
| 11:23.55 | Coke | cydork: it colors the syntax and provides a stepping arrow as well as highlight break points. |
| 11:24.12 | Coke | For those of us who are too feeble minded to keep track of which line we're on and where all the breakpoints are. |
| 11:24.12 | Jemt | cast: Well, I was kind of looking for the solution ;) |
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| 11:24.17 | wskowron | Hi |
| 11:24.29 | wskowron | I have a problem with a webmin |
| 11:24.38 | wskowron | can u try to help me?? |
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| 11:24.50 | cydork | Coke: hmm sounds good.. |
| 11:24.58 | cast | Jemt: i can't remember if the install cd forces you to install a bootloader, i have a 51% feeling its optional in the install |
| 11:25.19 | wskowron | When i go to my site: https://localhost:10000/ i get an error "access denied from <IP> |
| 11:25.21 | Jemt | cast: It is. You can always press "Go back" and jump over the section :) |
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| 11:25.39 | Jemt | cast: But I need to know how to create a bootable CD that boots the harddisk installation :) |
| 11:25.54 | wskowron | that is problem with firewall or configuration? |
| 11:26.01 | wskowron | heve u some idea? |
| 11:26.45 | Jemt | !tell wskowron about enter |
| 11:26.46 | multi_io | wskowron: if this shows up in the browser, then it's most likely the webmin configuration |
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| 11:27.12 | wskowron | yes in browser |
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| 11:27.49 | cast | Jemt: oh, well. http://sourceforge.net/projects/btmgr/ http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD-ROM.html, hmm, suppose you could whack lilo on a cd too,.. |
| 11:27.49 | wskowron | multi_io and do u know where can i find .conf file? |
| 11:27.57 | Skiver | wskowron: what about http://localhost:10000/ ? |
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| 11:28.12 | Jemt | cast: Thanks a lot !! :) |
| 11:28.14 | blenda | hi! how do i find out which package owns a certain file? |
| 11:28.27 | Zweisteine | OK, I recompiled the kernel with builtin support for SATA disks, but it still doesn't boot. It says kernel panic, doesn't sync. attempting to kill init. And it doesn't see the hard disk. What else could I check? |
| 11:28.27 | Eulex | apt-file or dpkg -S |
| 11:28.50 | cast | Jemt: i like grub best, booting an os even when you dont have the boot loader configured to boot it is easy enough |
| 11:28.51 | Zweisteine | attempted* |
| 11:29.15 | multi_io | wskowron: no, I don't know or use webmin. sorry. read the manual :) |
| 11:29.17 | Jemt | cast: Sounds great. I think I'll go with Grub too :) |
| 11:29.18 | Eulex | blenda, apt-file, dpkg -S or dlocate |
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| 11:29.55 | wskowron | Skiver: i dont know i instaled it on my server, and i have only cmd access |
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| 11:30.01 | wskowron | and liks dont support ssh |
| 11:30.03 | blenda | Eulex: thanks! |
| 11:30.17 | Eulex | blenda, dpkg -S and dlocate will work only if the package is installed, apt-file works even if the package isn't installed |
| 11:30.21 | Eulex | blenda, yw :) |
| 11:30.23 | wskowron | multi_io: ok thx :) |
| 11:30.39 | cast | Jemt: to boot you'd go something like root (hd0,0); kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda1; initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-2-amd64; boot. on my computer, anyway |
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| 11:31.51 | Jemt | cast: Ok, I see. I'll haft to read a little more into the links you just gave me I think :) |
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| 11:32.08 | wskowron | Skiver: it dont work to |
| 11:32.09 | hcy | hi, is there a way I can get a command to be run at a certain time, and then stopped at a certain time? I want to do a 'dvgrab' on a television feed coming through my DV camcorder, starting at a certain time and breaking at a certain time, when I won't be home to do it manually. |
| 11:32.14 | wskowron | by localhost |
| 11:32.28 | cahoot | hcy: atd |
| 11:32.56 | Coke | cydork: ot question; when I next it looks like it goes through subroutines as well, could these be macros? if so, how does one simply execute the entire line of code without going through any jumps? |
| 11:33.12 | Jemt | cast: Bugger, seems the Grub solution you linked to requires a BIOS - I don't have any - I'm trying to make Linux run on a Mac Mini Intel |
| 11:33.26 | Jemt | cast: "El Torito is a specification for bootable CD using BIOS functions." |
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| 11:34.32 | cydork | Coke: use step |
| 11:34.41 | cast | lol. |
| 11:35.03 | multi_io | I think it'S "next", not "step" |
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| 11:35.17 | cast | wont you have a bios, but its intels new extendable bios? |
| 11:35.28 | cydork | multi_io: next goes through the fuctions, step doesn't. |
| 11:35.33 | Jemt | cast: Huh ? |
| 11:35.40 | Jemt | cast: I didn't understand that :) |
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| 11:35.58 | cast | Jemt: EFI |
| 11:36.02 | Jemt | cast: To my knowledge, Mac Intels dosn't have BIOSes - they have something called EFI |
| 11:36.04 | Skiver | wskowron, you probably will find the conf in /etc/webmin.... try man webmin and read |
| 11:36.05 | Jemt | Exactly :) |
| 11:36.16 | Jemt | cast: So El Torito will still work ? |
| 11:36.34 | multi_io | cydork: really? ok. haven't used gdb in a while I guess :) |
| 11:36.50 | cast | 'Linux systems have been able to use EFI at boot time since early 2000, using the elilo EFI boot loader' |
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| 11:36.58 | cast | hmm, guess look into elilo |
| 11:37.19 | Jemt | cast: Yep, thanks :) |
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| 11:37.54 | cydork | multi_io: :) |
| 11:38.37 | Coke | cydork: step is suposed to go down subroutines. |
| 11:38.46 | Coke | cydork: I think what my next follows are macros |
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| 11:39.01 | Coke | cydork: I'm still unable to find the problem, though. C++ is not my game. |
| 11:39.12 | multi_io | see, I was quite sure "next" steps over, "step" steps into |
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| 11:40.16 | cydork | next executes the fuction and stops at next line. step just stops at first line |
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| 11:41.14 | multi_io | that's what I meant |
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| 11:42.56 | Coke | cydork: I absolutely loath C++. |
| 11:43.05 | multi_io | Coke: afaik, gdb doesn't support stepping over macros |
| 11:43.23 | Coke | multi_io: I dunno what it does, but next doesn't just step down one line, it jumps around |
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| 11:45.06 | multi_io | Coke: you can set a temporary breakpoint at some other line you want to arrive at, and then use "c" (continue) |
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| 11:45.24 | hcy | cahoot: how does 'atd' work? I'm trying to test it. I did "at 13:43" and then gave it a dvgrab line on its prompt. It gave me another prompt. In another terminal I said 'atq' and it showed me the session I started in the other window, but when 13:43 came, it didn't start. |
| 11:46.01 | christopher_l | how do I disable tooltips?anyone? |
| 11:47.45 | cahoot | http://www.yiluda.net/manual/linux/rute/node40.html - hcy |
| 11:47.54 | hcy | thanks cahoot |
| 11:48.01 | Kim^J | &j #kde |
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| 11:48.20 | HyperDevi | is the rotation of auth.log hardcoded in debian?\ |
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| 11:49.28 | multi_io | hcy: the command is run as a child of the atd daemon, not in the terminal where you run at |
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| 11:49.52 | Malagmyr | Is -p 0-65535 the best way to make nmap scan all ports? I can't seem to find the flag to append to scan all... |
| 11:49.57 | hcy | multi_io: ok, but ps aux doesn't show it running, and the file isn't showing up in the directory i ran it out of |
| 11:50.49 | mazinyer_Z | ? |
| 11:50.55 | multi_io | hcy: so you have to run atd |
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| 11:51.01 | mazinyer_Z | ? |
| 11:51.02 | multi_io | /etc/init.d/atd start |
| 11:51.16 | hcy | multi_io: according to ps aux , atd is running already |
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| 11:51.43 | HyperDevi | why cant i make a custom rule for the rotation of auth.log? its just being ignored... |
| 11:51.58 | multi_io | hcy: didn'T you just say it's not running? :P |
| 11:52.16 | hcy | multi_io: the daemon's running, but the command I told it to run isn't |
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| 11:52.43 | multi_io | oh, I see |
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| 11:53.29 | CharminTheMoose | question: why when I play a midi file in linux it sounds different compared to when i play it in windows? |
| 11:53.45 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: because they are using different samples |
| 11:54.00 | CharminTheMoose | also for some reason there are instruments missing on linux |
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| 11:54.16 | HyperDevi | why cant i make a custom rule for the rotation of auth.log? its just being ignored... |
| 11:54.21 | CharminTheMoose | Sera, I thought it just accessed the soundcard's built in soundbase? |
| 11:54.23 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: because you don't have a complete set of samples on your system |
| 11:54.30 | SerajewelKS | !tell HyperDevi about repeat |
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| 11:54.41 | SerajewelKS | !repeat |
| 11:54.42 | dpkg_ | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:54.44 | SerajewelKS | HyperDevi: ^^^ |
| 11:55.00 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: your soundcard has no idea what midi is |
| 11:55.03 | cb | HyperDevi: tried another logdaemon? |
| 11:55.12 | multi_io | hcy: try some simple command like echo foo >/tmp/lala |
| 11:55.21 | CharminTheMoose | really? |
| 11:55.23 | hcy | multi_io: ok |
| 11:55.24 | mazinyer_Z | hola |
| 11:55.31 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: really |
| 11:55.45 | mazinyer_Z | hoolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:56.04 | CharminTheMoose | I thought that your sound card processed the notes in the midi file by accessing the samples...... |
| 11:56.13 | mazinyer_Z | HOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 11:56.17 | CharminTheMoose | hola |
| 11:56.17 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: the "midi" channel on your soundcard is provided by the windows driver |
| 11:56.24 | mazinyer_Z | jajaja |
| 11:56.28 | hcy | multi_io: hmmmm, could it be that at can't handle one command being piped into another? |
| 11:56.36 | SerajewelKS | !ops mazinyer_Z idiot |
| 11:56.36 | mazinyer_Z | hablas español? |
| 11:56.37 | dpkg_ | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: serajewelks complains about: mazinyer_Z idiot |
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| 11:56.39 | CharminTheMoose | right.. |
| 11:56.42 | hcy | multi_io: because a simple command does work |
| 11:56.52 | peterS | mazinyer_Z: English please |
| 11:57.00 | CharminTheMoose | !debian-es |
| 11:57.00 | dpkg_ | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:57.00 | mazinyer_Z | ok |
| 11:57.10 | multi_io | hcy: when in doubt, write a script that does it all :) |
| 11:57.23 | mazinyer_Z | http://groups.msn.com/MARDELPLATABUENOSAIRESARGENTINA |
| 11:57.24 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: when midi data is sent to it, the driver samples the data and sends that to the pcm channel |
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| 11:57.49 | CharminTheMoose | oh right |
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| 11:58.12 | cahoot | hcy: fwiw - the principle described in the url works as intended |
| 11:58.15 | CharminTheMoose | that'd explain it |
| 11:58.15 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: only the data sent explicitly to the pcm channel by applications is adjusted with the pcm volume level |
| 11:58.35 | hcy | multi_io, cahoot: piping in a script doesn't work in 'at' either |
| 11:58.40 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: this is why adjusting the pcm volume does not adjust the midi volume. it's an ugly hack. :) |
| 11:58.46 | hcy | even though the script works fine when called by itself |
| 11:58.49 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 11:58.49 | hcy | i mean, by me |
| 11:59.03 | multi_io | does atd write any logfiles? |
| 11:59.16 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: at least this is how i understand it to work. because no card i've ever seen on linux has a midi channel volume fader. |
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| 12:00.03 | SerajewelKS | CharminTheMoose: if your /dev/sequencer works it may just be an alsa hook to run timidity (a software sampler) |
| 12:00.15 | CharminTheMoose | one other question: Why does Muse look for /dev/snd/sequencer and doesn't find it and i can't play back audio in muse compared to the fact that I can in timidity |
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| 12:00.50 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: 'cause timidity does everything in software, whereas muse tries to use the hardware, which either doesn't include midi capabilities or the driver doesn't think it does |
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| 12:01.41 | CharminTheMoose | oh.. |
| 12:01.43 | pinguim_funny | Hello |
| 12:01.49 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: timidity chews a lot of CPU, the idea of 'wave table' sound cards back in 1996 was to avoid this by having the sound card do all the work. it never quite caught on with Linux drivers, not least because you have to load up the sound banks with samples that may or may not exist as free software |
| 12:02.05 | pinguim_funny | is the amd64 (unofficial port) stable secure to be used? |
| 12:02.12 | multi_io | hcy: heh, atd writes a mail to you if the command failed :) |
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| 12:03.44 | CharminTheMoose | peterS: How can you have free samples? |
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| 12:04.03 | CharminTheMoose | that'd be like saying: you cannot listen to any music because it's not free! |
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| 12:04.48 | rusher | hello |
| 12:04.52 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: well, someone has to create them. sound card vendors did it for their Windows drivers but those samples are not free software. someone else has created a set of midi samples now, in the package 'freepats' |
| 12:05.03 | multi_io | hcy: atd also puts the job (as a runnable script) into /var/spool/cron/atjobs/ (as long as the job hasn't run yet) |
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| 12:05.33 | multi_io | hcy: so you might copy it away from there and try to run it manually to see what happens |
| 12:05.37 | CharminTheMoose | peterS: Oh right, that makes sense |
| 12:05.39 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 12:06.52 | rusher | sup room |
| 12:06.58 | peterS | !room |
| 12:06.59 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:07.38 | cahoot | the debian boudoire? |
| 12:08.00 | peterS | La Salle Debain |
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| 12:08.22 | peterS | which is actually the name of jaldhar's blog, I believe |
| 12:08.32 | peterS | or someone, I forget who |
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| 12:16.00 | Zap-W | is pam_pwdb deprecated? |
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| 12:18.06 | rusher | moin |
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| 12:19.48 | Eulex | moin moin |
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| 12:22.24 | PDani | hi |
| 12:22.39 | tesoro_girl | hello |
| 12:22.41 | PDani | how can i make a bootable dvd from a bootable cd-image? |
| 12:23.30 | tesoro_girl | have no idea |
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| 12:26.06 | rusher | burn it lol |
| 12:26.12 | cast | just burn the cd iso to the dvd |
| 12:26.26 | rusher | k3b |
| 12:26.28 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 12:26.29 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 12:26.54 | rusher | sumimasen, ha ha ha |
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| 12:34.15 | Zap-W | question , i set "mesg n" in tty1 , yet wall command still manages to broadcast to tty1 |
| 12:35.58 | abrotman | wall isn't the same as mesg afaik |
| 12:36.03 | abrotman | and who is running the 'wall' ? |
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| 12:38.00 | Zap-W | regular user |
| 12:38.06 | wskowron | exit |
| 12:38.26 | blondie | access denied |
| 12:38.47 | Zap-W | abrotman, ok how do i disable wall broadcasts |
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| 12:39.59 | abrotman | a wall from a regular user shouldn't write on another user's screen |
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| 12:40.40 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 12:40.52 | rusher | change ownership 2 |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | Zap-W: did you read 'man wall' ? |
| 12:41.01 | abrotman | you shouldn't change hte ownership |
| 12:41.10 | dazjorz | I just got an e-mail from cron, saying that logrotate didn't work because Asterisk wasn't configured yet, but Aptitude says that asterisk isn't installed at all yet |
| 12:41.59 | dazjorz | How can that be ? |
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| 12:42.05 | mystic_flame | Hello :) |
| 12:43.36 | abrotman | Zap-W: mesg n is related to wall .. but i think a wall from root can override that |
| 12:43.50 | abrotman | erm .. wa/l/mesg |
| 12:44.32 | dazjorz | How is it possible I get a message about an uninstalled program ? |
| 12:44.43 | abrotman | dazjorz: if you run it manually (the crontask )? |
| 12:45.33 | dazjorz | abrotman: 1 sec (btw, I already got the exact output of logrotate in the e-mail message) |
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| 12:45.50 | abrotman | you could paste it somewhere for us |
| 12:45.56 | abrotman | if it's not top secret |
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| 12:46.12 | dazjorz | Okay |
| 12:46.22 | dazjorz | do you have a preferred pastebin or can I choose any ? |
| 12:46.33 | dazjorz | any good one ofcourse |
| 12:46.40 | abrotman | !paster |
| 12:46.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 12:50.06 | dazjorz_ | :/ |
| 12:50.08 | dazjorz_ | Internet dropped |
| 12:50.10 | dazjorz_ | or something |
| 12:50.19 | Zap-W | abrotman, did you test it ? |
| 12:50.32 | abrotman | not my problem .. it's your job to test it :) |
| 12:50.34 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 12:50.38 | abrotman | !paster |
| 12:50.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:51.45 | bbelt16ag | is there anyway i could use cron to make sure a program is running 24/7 ? and NOT make multiple instances of said program if its already running? i have an inkling that the app will not let you have two instansces of it running.. |
| 12:51.57 | bbelt16ag | but i might be wrong |
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| 12:52.13 | abrotman | pidof .. if it's not there .. spawn |
| 12:52.24 | bbelt16ag | pidof ? |
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| 12:52.44 | xingu | bbelt16ag: I think you're confusing cron with init, personally. |
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| 12:53.00 | [1]dazjorz | Argh |
| 12:53.02 | [1]dazjorz | Internet dropping constantly |
| 12:53.31 | blondie | [1]dazjorz: get new internets from ebay |
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| 12:53.57 | dazjorz | Yeh |
| 12:53.58 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 12:54.02 | bbelt16ag | should i use init? |
| 12:54.10 | dazjorz | Anyhow |
| 12:54.10 | dazjorz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5031 |
| 12:54.16 | bbelt16ag | i got a script that some times runs out of memory.. |
| 12:54.23 | bbelt16ag | and dies on me wasting valuable time |
| 12:54.35 | bbelt16ag | daz mine does that too |
| 12:54.53 | abrotman | dazjorz: does /etc/default/asterisk exist ? |
| 12:54.57 | cast | bbelt16ag: can you make the script report its pid to a file? and any rate write a script like this: if program-not-running: start program |
| 12:55.17 | Ny-Ty | hmm |
| 12:55.20 | Ny-Ty | its function in C |
| 12:55.20 | dazjorz | abrotman: Yes, but I don't want asterisk to run at this moment, so RUNASTERISK=no |
| 12:55.25 | Ny-Ty | cast.. |
| 12:55.44 | Ny-Ty | getpid() or any function in C |
| 12:55.45 | dazjorz | abrotman: But why does it logrotate if asterisk isn't installed ? |
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| 12:56.02 | abrotman | something installed that file ... |
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| 12:56.20 | cast | bbelt16ag: thats if you really want to use cron, though, why not nest it in a script that auto restarts it when it dies? a while [ 1 ] loop would probably do |
| 12:56.21 | abrotman | dazjorz: which version of debian ? |
| 12:56.23 | Pntkl | sup? |
| 12:56.24 | dazjorz | abrotman: Etc |
| 12:56.25 | dazjorz | Etch* |
| 12:56.28 | eltopo | hi |
| 12:56.32 | abrotman | dazjorz: the real problem is that logger-repload fails |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | !find default/asterisk etch |
| 12:56.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'default/asterisk' (1): (/etc/default/asterisk) in comm/asterisk. |
| 12:57.03 | abrotman | dazjorz: dpkg -l asterisk | tail -1 |
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| 12:57.25 | dazjorz | abtorman: rc asterisk 1.0.7.dfsg.1-2sarge4 open source Private Branch Exchange (PBX) |
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| 12:57.45 | dazjorz | abrotman: I recently upgraded from sarge to etch though |
| 12:57.47 | abrotman | dazjorz: do you want the conf files there ? |
| 12:58.05 | dazjorz | abrotman: where ? what ? |
| 12:58.06 | eltopo | tell me |
| 12:58.16 | abrotman | dazjorz: the conn ffiles for asterisk are still in place .. hwich includes your logrotate stuff |
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| 12:58.51 | dazjorz | abrotman: I tried --purge, but it just says asterisk isn't installed |
| 12:58.58 | abrotman | dazjorz: man dpkg |
| 12:59.37 | dazjorz | Ah |
| 12:59.44 | dazjorz | dpkg --purge asterisk did the job :) |
| 13:00.11 | abrotman | dazjorz: conf files should be gone .. shouldn't affect cron anymore |
| 13:01.07 | dazjorz | Thanks :) |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | dazjorz: enjoy .. now get your intarweb fixed :) |
| 13:01.45 | bbelt16ag | inittab seems like it will work. kinda worried i will have a messed up system if i start calling a app from the initd |
| 13:01.58 | bbelt16ag | thats not suppose to be there... |
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| 13:02.13 | dazjorz | abrotman: the ISP server that serves my internet is supposed to be upgraded in 3 days, they say all problems will be fixed then .. |
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| 13:02.26 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:02.31 | dazjorz | abrotman: I had completely no internet for two days, 31 december and 1 january |
| 13:02.32 | dazjorz | so |
| 13:02.46 | abrotman | eep |
| 13:03.48 | mystic_flame | I´m sorry the question but the is the debian etch suported from security updates and good to desktop use? |
| 13:04.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://80.219.77.169/bash.jpg |
| 13:04.30 | abrotman | mystic_flame: it's fine for desktop .. but security updates aren't fully in place yet i don't think |
| 13:04.35 | dazjorz | Lol |
| 13:04.41 | dazjorz | summer night bash |
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| 13:05.19 | mystic_flame | abrotman but the base probably will have no problem i think :| |
| 13:05.29 | mystic_flame | the rest of the software i install myself :| |
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| 13:05.44 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's no fun! |
| 13:06.12 | mystic_flame | well gona try to catch the netinstall to try the debian beta :) |
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| 13:06.36 | abrotman | mystic_flame: okay! |
| 13:06.39 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
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| 13:06.43 | xingu | hmm |
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| 13:07.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: here's where i work http://80.219.77.169/lake.jpg |
| 13:07.53 | Neeesat25 | I have install x-window-system, kdm and kde-devel. I am using nvidia card with nvidia drivers from their site. When I try to startx I get: (EE) Failed to load module "kbd" (module does not exists, 0) and the same for mouse. |
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| 13:08.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: would it be funnier if i stroked bash and wrote zsh on the picture with gimp? |
| 13:08.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: rough life |
| 13:08.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: not really ... |
| 13:08.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: in spring it's great, there's so much flowers and plants there |
| 13:08.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: you've got no or strange sense of humour |
| 13:09.05 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: (1) don't use nvidia's installer, and (2) which debian release? |
| 13:09.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried helping hannah's horse yet? |
| 13:09.16 | Neeesat25 | debian 4.0 |
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| 13:09.26 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: which is? etch? |
| 13:09.28 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i always do (1) and it's the best thing i think one can do |
| 13:09.31 | Neeesat25 | etch |
| 13:09.33 | xk | why is telnet linked to libncurses.so.3.4? |
| 13:09.36 | mystic_flame | abrotman thanks |
| 13:09.37 | mystic_flame | gone |
| 13:09.53 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: any particular reason? |
| 13:09.57 | tarzeau | Neeesat25: that's not an nvidia driver problem, you seem to be missing some x software package |
| 13:09.58 | Neeesat25 | I have build the same system with the same custom kernel and drivers and it's ok |
| 13:10.00 | cahoot | it works? |
| 13:10.04 | SerajewelKS | Neeesat25: have you installed the input x.org packages? |
| 13:10.05 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: because the debian way installation is like crap |
| 13:10.16 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: what, you mean painless? |
| 13:10.31 | Neeesat25 | xorg is installed |
| 13:10.32 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: yes the nvidia drivers are painless with www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 13:10.51 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i run that on about 50 computers, and i do linux kernel updates, and don't have to do anything, it's all automatic, and it just works |
| 13:10.52 | xk | wtf, i have a telnet binary dating back from 1998 ;) |
| 13:10.53 | xingu | Neeesat25: try reinstalling xserver-xorg-input-{kbd,mouse} |
| 13:11.01 | tarzeau | xk: so new? |
| 13:11.12 | xingu | xk: is it y2k compliant? :) |
| 13:11.12 | tarzeau | xk: i've got telnet bsd versions of 1991 on my OPENSTEP system |
| 13:11.25 | tarzeau | xingu: of course, why should it not be so? |
| 13:11.41 | xk | no idea why it is on my system - probably cruft remaining from 1.3 ;) |
| 13:11.51 | tarzeau | xk: i wouldn't call telnet cruft |
| 13:11.54 | abrotman | xk: how old is th box ? |
| 13:12.19 | Neeesat25 | fixed |
| 13:12.23 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: seems more like m-a's fault then |
| 13:12.28 | xk | abrotman: hmm.. probably 2.2, but I copied config files from my old install from 1.3. I don't remember copying binary files over. |
| 13:12.30 | Neeesat25 | with xserver-xorg-input-{kbd,mouse} |
| 13:12.52 | Neeesat25 | thanks xingu |
| 13:12.57 | xingu | another victim |
| 13:13.03 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: yeah, still if m-a is faulty, you can't use it. that's not something i can do to 50 users |
| 13:13.04 | abrotman | xk: trojan! |
| 13:13.11 | Neeesat25 | why I got this with this machine? |
| 13:13.16 | xingu | there's something straaaaaaange going on with xorg-xserver-input-all |
| 13:13.18 | abrotman | xk: now you just need to telnet to a remote box and then use su ... |
| 13:13.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: and hope for someone to sniff it? |
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| 13:13.37 | Neeesat25 | is it a bug with latest xorg? |
| 13:13.47 | xingu | nfi, but you're not the first to get bit. |
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| 13:14.22 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: i guess the difference is that you like the driver to be up to date regardless, where i like to have control over what's installed on my box. so if i update my kernel then i'd rather update the m-a-built modules myself. |
| 13:15.06 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: you build your own kernels? did you automate your m-a module stuff? |
| 13:15.08 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: when did i say i built my own kernels |
| 13:15.52 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: and yes, i have a simple script something along the lines of for i in nvidia ... ; do m-a a-i $i; done |
| 13:15.56 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: it was just a question, not an accusation |
| 13:16.18 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: ah, no i use stock kernels. |
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| 13:25.52 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: say, i CAN use stock kernels |
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| 13:26.09 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: i have hardware there are no working kernels for by debian, or very unoptimized ones |
| 13:26.15 | jnjb | i have problems to install an brother DCP 315CN someone can help me please |
| 13:28.29 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 13:28.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
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| 13:32.58 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you know how to make html page with a button to "make this page my start page"? i want to put such a button to http://www.vi.mine.nu/ |
| 13:33.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: nerp .. maybe ask #web ? |
| 13:35.06 | Lorvija | hey, is there any way to limit the badwith of certain program...? even though it could have several instances running at the same time... |
| 13:35.23 | Lorvija | like several ctorrents in their own screens running... |
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| 13:36.30 | Cuddles_in_KY | morning all. |
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| 13:37.30 | abrotman | Lorvija: trickle |
| 13:37.44 | Cuddles_in_KY | little question... i just recently switched to debian from another distro, and one of the packages is different enough to be causing me some trouble. specifically, i need a female english voice for festival. any ideas? |
| 13:38.01 | Lorvija | abrotman does it work on commandline? |
| 13:38.32 | abrotman | should |
| 13:38.38 | Lorvija | okay, thanks (: |
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| 13:41.19 | Lorvija | abrotman hmm... but i cant set certain limit so that when i launch several instances of a program their bw would be counted together and then limited if needed... |
| 13:41.22 | Lorvija | right? (: |
| 13:42.05 | abrotman | i don't think you can do it that way .. i think it's per instance |
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| 13:42.18 | Lorvija | duh :/ too bad |
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| 13:43.13 | HyperDevi | does somebody know how i can convert hex to decimal on the command line? |
| 13:43.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: man come on, you find nothing funny, what about this? http://www.tangerinefuck.ch.vu/ |
| 13:43.39 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: using bc |
| 13:44.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: why would that be funny ? |
| 13:44.22 | HyperDevi | tarzeau: do you have an example for me please? |
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| 13:47.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: tangerines reproduce different? |
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| 13:49.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: germination ? |
| 13:49.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: germination? |
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| 13:50.16 | HyperDevi | hex to decimal converter: echo $(( 16#7df3 )) |
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| 13:51.47 | pumpkin0 | i want to watch a file (watch -n 10 cat /proc....) in a gnome panel. It is a one-line file. Any recommanded gnome-applets for that ? (alternative: where is the gnome-channel ?) |
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| 13:52.44 | xingu | pumpkin0: gnome-system-log? |
| 13:53.13 | xingu | pumpkin0: either that or gnome-terminal -e ... or whatever |
| 13:54.02 | abrotman | pumpkin0: #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:54.27 | xingu | oh, panel applet |
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| 13:55.37 | pumpkin0 | xingu: the system-log-thingy ... well i can use a normal terminal and get more-or-less the same thing. |
| 13:55.40 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 13:56.19 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: i think i've got an example of it in http://www.linuks.mine.nu/helpers/tftpboot/makesys |
| 13:56.27 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: it's the other way around though decimal to hex |
| 13:56.35 | tarzeau | HyperDevi: echo "obase=16; ${a}"|bc |
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| 13:57.45 | HyperDevi | hex to decimal converter: echo $(( 16#7df3 )) |
| 13:57.51 | napoleao | what is the best backup software to use with a HP 72GBs tape device? |
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| 13:58.42 | Lacr0ix | how can i solve ''http://rafb.net/p/shDkB195.html'' ? |
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| 14:00.24 | cahoot | Lacr0ix: gentoo is not very well supported here |
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| 14:01.05 | xingu | s/ here// |
| 14:01.11 | Lacr0ix | cahoot : Ok,sorry. |
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| 14:02.16 | abrotman | s/very well// |
| 14:03.12 | cahoot | stop backporting my input |
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| 14:03.41 | abrotman | stop inputting into my backport ? |
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| 14:09.35 | virgil669 | i have a problem whit kde i try to start > startkde.. Results xsetroot: unable to open display xset unable to open display kwin cannot connect to X server |
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| 14:09.46 | virgil669 | howto fix it |
| 14:10.41 | threw | are under console ? |
| 14:10.45 | cahoot | virgil669: echo 'startkde'>>$HOME/.xinitrc; startx |
| 14:10.46 | threw | are you* |
| 14:10.48 | virgil669 | yes |
| 14:11.09 | threw | so use cahoot commannd ;) |
| 14:12.06 | virgil669 | cahoot Thank You so much |
| 14:12.55 | threw | but if i ware you, i would use gnome insta kde ;-p |
| 14:13.01 | threw | were* |
| 14:13.39 | virgil669 | i like kde |
| 14:13.55 | virgil669 | GNOME is the best but my machine is too slow |
| 14:14.03 | cahoot | virgil669: don't mind unlooked-for-advice ;) |
| 14:14.20 | virgil669 | hah |
| 14:14.20 | virgil669 | :) |
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| 14:15.04 | threw | cahoot, i know kde i started with, but i think that gnome is really _less_ ugly than kde: its too much eye candy to my mind |
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| 14:15.32 | threw | virgil669, weird i was thinkink that kde was taking more "cpu power" than gnome oO |
| 14:15.35 | cahoot | threw: still - the OP didn't ask for advice in that matter |
| 14:15.42 | abrotman | too slow for gnome but okay for kde ? |
| 14:15.51 | threw | yes, but cant we chat in irc ? |
| 14:16.05 | cahoot | not in #debian |
| 14:16.14 | threw | arf |
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| 14:16.23 | threw | ok chief ! |
| 14:16.54 | virgil669 | aaxam |
| 14:18.00 | cast | lies, e17 is the best! |
| 14:18.14 | dvs | !start a wm war |
| 14:18.15 | virgil669 | whatever to say me i not understand most thing |
| 14:18.15 | dpkg | CDE makes me vomit! |
| 14:18.36 | xingu | cast: it's alright, it's really alright |
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| 14:19.33 | Zweisteine | hello. What is the "deprecated IDE driver" that some webpages reference? |
| 14:19.34 | cast | its not alright...my computer keeps making noise and only stops when you hit it. im afraid this will make me a bad parent in future :( |
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| 14:20.29 | Blissex | xingu: don't worry, it is very old. |
| 14:20.42 | Blissex | xingu: oops. |
| 14:20.51 | xingu | Zweisteine: there's two of them in current 2.6; there's the old hd.c driver, as well as now the ide stack itself is deprecated in favour of libata |
| 14:20.57 | Blissex | Zweisteine: don't worry it is very old. |
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| 14:21.37 | xingu | Zweisteine: but there's been from memory two rewrites of the ide layer itself betwixed hd.c falling off its perch and libata; so maybe a link to "some webpages" would be a starting point. |
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| 14:22.20 | Zweisteine | This page http://kerneltrap.org/node/3978 describes what I'm trying to do on my system |
| 14:22.35 | Mooi | Hello, I'm bit confused. I installed phpmyadmin using apt-get. How do I use phpmyadmin now? |
| 14:23.01 | Anarka | Mooi cat /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian shout exit |
| 14:23.06 | Anarka | should |
| 14:23.21 | Mooi | ok, thx |
| 14:23.31 | abrotman | Anarka: exist ? |
| 14:23.40 | Zweisteine | I have an nforce3 motherboard and want to get a SATA hdd to be mounted. The debian installer installed a 2.4 kernel which works, but i can't see sata_nv in the output of lsmod, so am I correct to assume that my current kernel is using the "deprecated IDE driver"? |
| 14:23.41 | Anarka | eheh |
| 14:23.51 | Anarka | abrotman ok that :P |
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| 14:25.13 | xingu | Zweisteine: they're talking about the normal 2.6.8 ide layer the I'd guess and driving the disks/controller in emulation mode. |
| 14:25.16 | eltopo | hey |
| 14:25.17 | _wall` | hi |
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| 14:26.03 | anapivirtua_ | Reboot. |
| 14:27.43 | chib | Hi. I want to use the custom NEO-Layout on Xorg (as a layout rather than with xmodmap) , but I have no clue how to do that. The File installed |
| 14:27.43 | chib | to /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/neo_de, but I cant activate it with setxkbmap neo_de(Error loading new keyboard description). What am I doing wrong? |
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| 14:28.30 | Zweisteine | How do I have my kernel drive the controller in emulation mode? |
| 14:28.38 | eltopo | I'll find out |
| 14:28.45 | sts | hello folks |
| 14:29.55 | sts | when i run apt-get upgrade, apt lists the packages to upgrade, when i press Y, it reads the changelogs and afterwards i clears the console and doesn't do anything |
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| 14:30.16 | xingu | Zweisteine: you don't have to do anything special; your surmise is correct - you have a kernel running with the festival of surprises that is the late 2.4 ide layer. |
| 14:30.59 | sts | when i remove apt-listchanges, it runs the normal upgrade |
| 14:31.03 | sts | is this a known bug? |
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| 14:32.06 | Zweisteine | I want to compile a 2.6 kernel which does the same thing, to be able to use my network card (which needs forcedeth). |
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| 14:32.38 | Cuddles_in_KY | ok folks, my problems continue... |
| 14:33.03 | xingu | Zweisteine: you probably don't need to, probably the debian 2.6 image for your release has it already; however please be aware that if you start using the libsata/sata_nv driver your block devices will change name to sdxn instead of hdxn |
| 14:33.17 | Cuddles_in_KY | just installed x, and when i go to start it, i get this: "no screens found" full error log is at: http://pastebin.ca/309292 |
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| 14:33.54 | pumpkin0 | Cuddles_in_KY: get the config-file into a pastebin too. |
| 14:33.54 | virgil669 | amm.. howto upgrade KDE to last version |
| 14:34.04 | virgil669 | by synaptic |
| 14:34.16 | abrotman | virgil669: what's wrong witht he one you have ? |
| 14:34.23 | dvs | Cuddles_in_KY: the "mouse" and "kbd" modules don't exist |
| 14:34.34 | virgil669 | it's ugly |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | it's kde |
| 14:34.42 | abrotman | get used to it :) |
| 14:35.17 | capiira | hmmmm i need to find a way to remove that stupid win key logo from my keyboard |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | screwdriver |
| 14:35.31 | pumpkin0 | capiira: hammer |
| 14:35.35 | capiira | heh |
| 14:35.38 | Cuddles_in_KY | pumpkin0, ok, pasting to pastebin. |
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| 14:36.04 | Cuddles_in_KY | dvs, yes, i see that. there's a keyboard plugged in, but eventually i'd like to do away with it. |
| 14:36.09 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: you need to install xserver-xorg-input-kbd/mouse |
| 14:36.10 | capiira | screwdriver would scratch the key |
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| 14:36.22 | pumpkin0 | Cuddles_in_KY: how did you install the xserver ? |
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| 14:36.26 | hendrix | hi |
| 14:36.33 | dvs | Cuddles_in_KY: I don't have either a "kbd" or "mouse" module in my config |
| 14:36.44 | pumpkin0 | capiira: what about scratching the logo of the key ... |
| 14:36.58 | capiira | hmmm |
| 14:37.03 | hendrix | I want to know if there is a soft for debian like "Ares" o "kazaa" |
| 14:37.04 | Cuddles_in_KY | pumpkin0, apt-get install xserver-xorg-core xorg |
| 14:37.07 | Zweisteine | xingu: I have tried to compile a 2.6 kernel and boot, and it panics, unable to mount the root filesystem. However, I have not tried to change the name of the block device from hdgn to sdan. Thank you for the suggestion. I will reboot and try that and come back afterwards |
| 14:37.13 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: do what i say |
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| 14:37.40 | hendrix | I want to know if there is a soft for debian like "Ares" o "kazaa" |
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| 14:37.49 | hendrix | I want to know if there is a soft for debian like "Ares" o "kazaa"..can you help me? |
| 14:38.05 | hark | hendrix: amule maybe? |
| 14:38.18 | Cuddles_in_KY | pumpkin0, paste of xorg.conf - http://pastebin.ca/309294 |
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| 14:38.37 | hendrix | hark:thank and i can install that with "apt"? |
| 14:38.43 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: just install the input modules.... |
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| 14:39.13 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, shouldn't that be automatic? |
| 14:39.31 | dvs | Cuddles_in_KY: when you install "xserver-xorg" |
| 14:39.40 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, E: Release 'mouse' for 'xserver-xorg-input-kbd' was not found |
| 14:39.46 | Cuddles_in_KY | dvs, yes? |
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| 14:40.04 | dvs | Cuddles_in_KY: you said you installed xserver-xorg-core xorg |
| 14:40.10 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse (separate packages) |
| 14:40.13 | Cuddles_in_KY | dvs, yes. |
| 14:40.15 | pumpkin0 | Cuddles_in_KY: you have a very strange setup ... using fglrx on a Intel-gfx chip is a very unusual move. (apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-kbd and apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse) |
| 14:40.46 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: you are #11 this week to have this issue that i am aware of |
| 14:40.57 | sam_uk | i am in gnome and have nounted a external drive using usb, I would like to unmount it but when i right click on the icon in a file browser remove is 'greyed out' it is mounted at /media/ how can i unmount it please? |
| 14:41.11 | hendrix | hark:do you run xgl?? |
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| 14:41.42 | hark | hendrix: no, but i tried out compiz with aiglx ( in Xorg 7.1 ) |
| 14:41.52 | Grub_Now | how do i even install php? |
| 14:41.53 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, same error, no screens found. |
| 14:41.56 | Grub_Now | what do i apt-get? |
| 14:42.15 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: yes, now you have to fix the driver as well |
| 14:42.25 | Grub_Now | apt-cache search php doesnt seem to list one single meta package |
| 14:42.26 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: what graphics card? |
| 14:42.29 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, okay, i'm listening |
| 14:42.37 | Cuddles_in_KY | i810 onboard |
| 14:42.39 | dvs | Braintix: apt-get install php4 |
| 14:42.47 | dvs | Grub_Now: : apt-get install php4 |
| 14:42.54 | hendrix | ..ok..and do you know if it can run with an ATI 9250 ? |
| 14:42.54 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: install xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 14:43.20 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: and change "fglrx" to "i810" in your xorg.conf. |
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| 14:43.39 | Grub_Now | dvs: but after that, i dont have the php cli installed :( |
| 14:43.50 | hark | hendrix: yes, you should be able to with the free radeo driver. no need for Xgl |
| 14:44.02 | Grub_Now | dvs: do ihave to do a apt-get install php-* seperately for each package? |
| 14:44.12 | dvs | Grub_Now: apt-get install php4-cli |
| 14:44.49 | hendrix | hark: ahha..ok...thanks...then i'll try...now i'm installing amule |
| 14:44.54 | Grub_Now | dvs: isnt there some meta package which would install all such php-stuff ? or do i have to do that seperately? |
| 14:44.57 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, failed to initialize core devices |
| 14:45.08 | dvs | Grub_Now: don't know |
| 14:45.19 | hendrix | hark: amule is for graphic mode?? |
| 14:45.55 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:46.08 | hark | hendrix: graphics mode? |
| 14:46.20 | nima | What should I use to print an image at 300 DP |
| 14:46.28 | nima | oops, DPI* |
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| 14:46.56 | nima | Gimp stops at ~180, and I couldn't fine anything else good |
| 14:46.58 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux |
| 14:47.17 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, but i need this system set up as a display only. no kbd/mouse |
| 14:47.20 | hendrix | hark: yes..for gnome |
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| 14:47.48 | |capiira | i'm scratching it carefully |
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| 14:48.08 | mby | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.14 | |capiira | with a sharp knife |
| 14:48.16 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: then why do you have it in your xorg.conf? |
| 14:48.50 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, defaults |
| 14:48.57 | Trewas | nima: gimp shouldn't care about the dpi it is printing at, maybe there are some driver issues... or how do you notice too low dpi anyway? |
| 14:49.13 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: i see. just remove the inputdevice section then |
| 14:50.33 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, still no go |
| 14:50.52 | nima | Trewas, If I have a 100x100 image, my printer is set to 100 DPI, I print at 100 DPI, I should get a 1x1 inch image, no? |
| 14:50.53 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, failed to initialize core devices |
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| 14:51.16 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: again, grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:51.24 | nima | Trewas, If not, that's what I meant |
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| 14:52.16 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, http://pastebin.ca/309306 |
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| 14:53.16 | Trewas | nima: yes that's right, but gimp may rescale images so it's may not be easy to determine which step is failing (is the printer's dpi something else than 100dpi or is gimp rescaling) |
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| 14:53.50 | nima | Trewas, I want the gimp to rescale it to something higher than 183 DPI |
| 14:54.19 | hendrix | hark: bye bye..thank you....i'm from argentina..thank you.. |
| 14:54.26 | sam_uk | hark could you look at my Xorg log too? http://pastebin.ca/309308 i'm trying to set up fglrx + XGL |
| 14:54.45 | cydork | sam_uk: why XGL? |
| 14:54.55 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: do you really, really need fglrx ? |
| 14:54.56 | cydork | sam_uk: i mean we have aiglx .. |
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| 14:55.08 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: you removed the inputdevice section from "ServerLayout" as well? |
| 14:55.08 | sam_uk | cos i have a crap graph card |
| 14:55.16 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: which one ? |
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| 14:55.53 | sam_uk | it is unsuppored by radeon driver |
| 14:56.03 | nima | Trewas, Any ideas? |
| 14:56.15 | Trewas | nima: do you have gimp-print installed? I seem to remember it has quite crappy printing dialog without it |
| 14:56.26 | hendrix | sam_uk : i have an ATI 9250 -- RV280 |
| 14:56.29 | hark | sam_uk: aiglx is not supported by the fglrx driver, afaik |
| 14:56.40 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: it is fully supported by the open-soucre radeon-driver in 7.0. |
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| 14:56.57 | nima | Trewas, It has a crappy print dialog with it, and no printing dialog without it |
| 14:56.59 | nima | :-P |
| 14:57.01 | toad_ | anyone know a utility to wait until a pid has finished? |
| 14:57.11 | hark | sam_uk: you have to explicitly turn off AIGLX in your xorg.conf if you are going to use fglrx |
| 14:57.14 | Trewas | nima: oh it was that way :) |
| 14:57.18 | sam_uk | pumpkin has that come out in the last week or so? |
| 14:57.32 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 14:57.32 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: about 6 months ago. |
| 14:57.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 14:57.45 | blondie | !voip |
| 14:57.46 | dpkg | [voip] voice over ip for info on voip go to http://voip-info.org, or pulver.com and gratissip.dk |
| 14:57.57 | Trewas | nima: hrm, I have always managed to print images at whatever size I want with it, and there are separate printer dpi and image size settings |
| 14:58.00 | hark | sam_uk: did you try with the radeon driver? |
| 14:58.08 | sam_uk | yes |
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| 14:58.55 | sam_uk | "So, at the moment, you are stuck with XGL and the binary ATI driver." http://vale.homelinux.net/wordpress/?p=106 this could be wrong.... |
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| 14:59.04 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: and you removed the fglrx-mesa implemenation first ? (you on sarge or etch ?) |
| 14:59.11 | sam_uk | etch |
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| 14:59.24 | sam_uk | no i dont think i did |
| 14:59.33 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: etch has xorg 7.1 and full Xpress 200M support. |
| 14:59.53 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, yes. no lines for inputdevice |
| 14:59.56 | sam_uk | so i can use aiglx and beryl? |
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| 15:00.33 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: (that html-page is about ubunut, no idea which driver they use). I'm sure about aiglx and compiz, not so usre about berly. |
| 15:00.56 | nima | Trewas, Here's a screenshot of what mine is doing: http://khazaei.net/~nima/gimp-print.png |
| 15:01.02 | sam_uk | ok so what do i need to do first? |
| 15:01.23 | nima | Trewas, Look in the box at the bottom marked "Image Size" |
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| 15:01.49 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: remove fglrx (ALL parts) and switch (for now) to vesa. |
| 15:01.52 | nima | Trewas, Weird, eh? |
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| 15:02.24 | sam_uk | apt-get remove fglrx-driver ? or do i need to do somthing extra? |
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| 15:03.04 | Trewas | nima: I have dpi-settings in the printer settings tab, probably because I have ppd installed for the printer |
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| 15:03.32 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: everything that was fglrx-related. |
| 15:03.40 | Trewas | nima: maybe it goes wrong somewhere when the default postscript driver is used (printer assumes some dpi other than gimp etc) |
| 15:03.59 | nima | Trewas, I'll try that, thanks! |
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| 15:04.26 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, any ideas/ |
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| 15:05.57 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: add this Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "1" |
| 15:06.26 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, to which section/ |
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| 15:07.05 | sam_uk | fglrx is gone |
| 15:07.28 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: a new section Section "ServerFlags", iirc |
| 15:07.39 | nima | Trewas, That added a little resolution selector, but I can't still can't do scaling |
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| 15:08.46 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, it's working, thanks. |
| 15:09.15 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: great :) |
| 15:09.27 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, know anything about festival/ |
| 15:09.47 | Trewas | nima: hrm... if scaling the image smaller before trying to print it doesn't help I am out of ideas |
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| 15:09.54 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: install xserver-xorg-video-ati and reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 15:10.23 | sam_uk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.23 | nima | Trewas, Actually, screwing around with the settings worked :-D I set paper type to "Manual" |
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| 15:10.43 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: heh, nope, though i have wanted to try it out ;) |
| 15:10.54 | Trewas | nima: heh |
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| 15:11.11 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, i had it on this box under "another distro", but on debian, there is no female voice. |
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| 15:11.37 | xingu | Cuddles_in_KY: I think the voices might have come from a later-than-sid-current-1.4 |
| 15:11.55 | xingu | Cuddles_in_KY: I'm not a user, but I do notice that the upstream is 2.0 now |
| 15:12.04 | xingu | Cuddles_in_KY: seems a plausible theory to me anyway. |
| 15:12.19 | Cuddles_in_KY | xingu, so how would i get them/ |
| 15:12.21 | |capiira | cool now i feel free |
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| 15:12.37 | |capiira | no win key anymore |
| 15:13.07 | pumpkin0 | |capiira: did you install a lose-key instead ? |
| 15:13.26 | krazykit | hehe |
| 15:13.44 | |capiira | i scratched it off then polished it with a mobile phone display polishing creme |
| 15:13.46 | krazykit | a lose key would be sweet |
| 15:13.55 | |capiira | :) |
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| 15:14.38 | sam_uk | pumpkin0 http://pastebin.ca/309321 |
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| 15:15.50 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: "apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri" ? |
| 15:15.54 | unlink | how do i get send host-name in /etc/dhclient.conf to send the machine's real node name? |
| 15:16.17 | unlink | according to /proc/sys/kernel/hostname |
| 15:16.23 | unlink | or /etc/hostname |
| 15:16.41 | hark | sam_uk: you have to install it first ;) |
| 15:16.55 | sam_uk | Ok done |
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| 15:18.22 | redmonkey | hi |
| 15:18.26 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: reconfigure X to use the "radeon"-driver. |
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| 15:18.49 | redmonkey | when i do apt-get update i get a warning: |
| 15:18.52 | redmonkey | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 15:18.52 | redmonkey | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 15:19.14 | hark | redmonkey: /topic |
| 15:19.29 | redmonkey | oh, thanks :) |
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| 15:22.50 | sam_uk | like this http://pastebin.ca/309331 ???? |
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| 15:24.24 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: remove the BusID "PCI:1:5:0" in line 80 and test. (no aiglx yet, just to test the basic X) |
| 15:24.35 | nima | 202284 |
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| 15:24.48 | nima | Sorry |
| 15:25.03 | nima | Another other window crashed |
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| 15:25.52 | sam_uk | ok biab |
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| 15:27.49 | Maguire | Hallo zusammen |
| 15:28.26 | pumpkin0 | !de |
| 15:28.26 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 15:30.49 | sam_uk | hi again, well i still have a x session ;) |
| 15:31.21 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: So X is working ? good, install the glxutils and run glxinfo. |
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| 15:32.47 | nima | 202284 |
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| 15:33.22 | Ny-Ty | viva ati |
| 15:33.25 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 15:33.29 | Ny-Ty | and dont come back |
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| 15:34.27 | pif | *scratches balls* |
| 15:34.53 | hark | viva? |
| 15:35.32 | sam_uk | glxinfo; http://pastebin.ca/309341 |
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| 15:36.38 | joeamined | hi |
| 15:37.05 | joeamined | i'm using alsa as sound controller |
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| 15:37.28 | joeamined | and i can't save changes in gnome-alsa mixer |
| 15:37.36 | abrotman | !tell virgil669 about away |
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| 15:37.49 | joeamined | i lose the changes i make when i reboot my system |
| 15:38.04 | pumpkin0 | sam_uk: somethings not 100% right. put your xorg.0.log into a pastebin ... |
| 15:38.05 | abrotman | i think you're missing a gstreamer package |
| 15:38.37 | joeamined | the sound works great |
| 15:39.01 | joeamined | it's just that when i start the system it is set to mute |
| 15:39.18 | joeamined | and when i change it with gnome-alsamixer and reboot |
| 15:39.39 | joeamined | i lose changes and it is mute again |
| 15:39.59 | cahoot | joeamined: etch? |
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| 15:40.01 | joeamined | so i have to change it every time i lauch the system ! |
| 15:40.10 | joeamined | yes i'm using etch |
| 15:40.10 | cydork | joeamined: gnome enables esd, which sucks.. try to disable it. |
| 15:40.11 | asg | !tell virgil669 about away |
| 15:40.22 | sam_uk | Xorg log; http://pastebin.ca/309343 |
| 15:40.25 | joeamined | ok i'll disable esd |
| 15:40.30 | cahoot | joeamined: run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 15:40.52 | Edwin_Jaws | I cant up my X |
| 15:41.14 | Edwin_Jaws | I get the error : Failed to LoadModule kbd |
| 15:41.43 | cydork | EdwardElric: do you have xserver-xorg-input-kbd installed? |
| 15:41.45 | cusco | Edwin_Jaws: grep -i kbd /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:41.51 | cusco | what does it output? |
| 15:41.52 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: you're number 12 |
| 15:41.58 | joeamined | edwin : i had the same problem |
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| 15:42.03 | cahoot | Edwin_Jaws: might need xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 15:42.12 | Averell | Anyone able to help me get my Compose key working? i set it in the X config file, and with kcontrol and setxkbmap, xev shows it as Multi_Key and still nothing. |
| 15:42.23 | Edwin_Jaws | cahoot: wthat is it? |
| 15:42.29 | joeamined | edwin : you have to install xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 15:42.42 | cahoot | Edwin_Jaws: aptitude show xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 15:43.08 | Edwin_Jaws | cahoot: ok |
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| 15:43.33 | Zap-W | what's netinfo |
| 15:43.52 | vanisher | is there some kind of counterparty for firefox but then on linux? |
| 15:44.06 | Averell | opera on linux? |
| 15:44.21 | Averell | konqueror maybe. or what? |
| 15:44.59 | cusco | so manny.. |
| 15:45.07 | Edwin_Jaws | cusco: Driver kbd |
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| 15:45.27 | cusco | Edwin_Jaws: install the xorg input as reffered above... |
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| 15:45.51 | vanisher | sorry folks, i meant fireworks |
| 15:46.02 | cusco | the gimp |
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| 15:46.10 | cusco | inkscape |
| 15:46.11 | hark | !confuse vanisher |
| 15:46.12 | dpkg | Yes, who is your pants yesterday, vanisher? trousers of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra cream |
| 15:46.28 | cydork | mmm cream! |
| 15:46.33 | asg | pie! |
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| 15:46.40 | loopdee | i anm wondering if there is a command to update the gnome menu, i installed a few packages that I know have a menu item but they are not there |
| 15:47.02 | asg | loopdee: update-menus perhaps? |
| 15:47.18 | cydork | asg: that's for debian menu right? |
| 15:47.25 | hark | yes |
| 15:47.32 | vanisher | cusco: is that also appropriate for webdesign? |
| 15:47.32 | asg | cydork: *nod* |
| 15:47.41 | loopdee | hmm did something, but no everthing |
| 15:47.44 | Edwin_Jaws | cusco: ok |
| 15:47.48 | Edwin_Jaws | let me see so |
| 15:48.00 | loopdee | i install vino, but do not see the item in desktop preferences for remote desktop |
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| 15:48.30 | tarzeau | !seen damog |
| 15:48.30 | dpkg | damog <n=damog@debian/developer/damog> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23h 24m 22s ago, saying: 'So, who's Lenny? :)'. |
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| 15:48.48 | sam_uk | hmm is anyone else able to help me set up aiglx? anyone know how to fix; (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable http://pastebin.ca/309343 or does it indicate that i was correct and aiglx is not possible on this video card? |
| 15:49.07 | asg | tarzeau: he hasn't been in -ot recently either |
| 15:49.23 | tarzeau | asg: i hate him! |
| 15:49.28 | asg | hah |
| 15:49.32 | tarzeau | asg: closing bugs like him should be forbidden! |
| 15:49.36 | tarzeau | asg: #218773 |
| 15:49.44 | tarzeau | asg: why do morons like him close bugs like that? |
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| 15:49.47 | cydork | !dbugs 218773 |
| 15:49.49 | tarzeau | i've just fixed one that is 1600 days old |
| 15:49.51 | dpkg | DONE:#218773:W[wnpp] RFP: pixie -- RenderMan like photorealistic renderer; Sun, 2 Nov 2003 15:33:04 UTC |
| 15:49.53 | tarzeau | I HATE DAMOG |
| 15:50.43 | tarzeau | stupid bts doesn't allow reopening archived bugs |
| 15:50.43 | Edwin_Jaws | cusco: it didnt work! :( |
| 15:50.43 | azeem_ | tarzeau: try to unarchive it |
| 15:50.44 | Edwin_Jaws | where can I put a log\ |
| 15:50.44 | tarzeau | azeem_: is that possible? |
| 15:50.47 | Edwin_Jaws | from X |
| 15:50.50 | azeem_ | I thought so |
| 15:50.52 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: the driver will also need to be changed ( section Device ) |
| 15:50.54 | Edwin_Jaws | for seeing |
| 15:51.07 | abrotman | asg: he was there last night |
| 15:51.12 | abrotman | asg: and here i believe |
| 15:51.22 | Edwin_Jaws | hark How do I do? |
| 15:51.24 | asg | abrotman: yeah, 23h ago according to the bot |
| 15:51.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: admittedly .. if you were that concerned about it .. you would have been working on it :) |
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| 15:51.54 | tarzeau | azeem_: i find http://osdir.com/ml/debian-debbugs@lists.debian.org/msg01478.html but man bts doesn't say anything about unarchive |
| 15:52.04 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: what graphics card? |
| 15:52.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm just looking at it right now again |
| 15:52.11 | abrotman | see ... |
| 15:52.15 | joeamined | i tried dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:52.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: and heck i am in contact with upstream about the licensing |
| 15:52.19 | azeem_ | tarzeau: check the docu on bugs.debian.org |
| 15:52.20 | joeamined | and i disabled esd |
| 15:52.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: and it's progressing |
| 15:52.22 | azeem_ | or just file a new bug |
| 15:52.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: open a new one |
| 15:52.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: NO |
| 15:52.43 | joeamined | but i still have the sound set to mute when i start he system |
| 15:52.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: whine some more ? |
| 15:52.46 | joeamined | any idea ? |
| 15:52.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's a PAIN for all involved to merge multiple bug reports for the same |
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| 15:53.02 | joeamined | how to configure alsa mixer ? |
| 15:53.07 | abrotman | tarzeau: you're a big whiner .. have you tried #gentoo? :) |
| 15:53.10 | cydork | joeamined: set the volume and then use alsactl store |
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| 15:53.40 | Edwin_Jaws | hark: Matrox gRAPHICS mga200 |
| 15:53.41 | abrotman | says you can reopen a bug |
| 15:53.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: people abusing the BTS should be punished |
| 15:53.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: not those working on bugs |
| 15:53.51 | hark | cydork: yesterday, valdyn said that is the wrong thing to do! |
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| 15:54.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: reopen only works if a bug isn't archived |
| 15:54.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: uhm .. even *I* knew he was archiving old WNPP bugs .. not his fault if you don't pay attention |
| 15:54.24 | joeamined | i don't want to install gnome-media |
| 15:54.29 | cydork | hark: why? |
| 15:54.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: he is an idiot, he shouldn't close bugs like that |
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| 15:54.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: he does so even if you tell him not to |
| 15:54.39 | joeamined | is it necessary to set audia preferences ? |
| 15:54.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: then work on the package you lazy fuck |
| 15:54.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: he did the same with one of my bugs |
| 15:54.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: TWICE |
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| 15:54.52 | abrotman | work on the package .. problem solved |
| 15:55.02 | azeem_ | they usually ping the bugs first |
| 15:55.02 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: what does Driver: say in your xorg.conf (Section Device) |
| 15:55.06 | abrotman | he sent an email to the bug saying he was going to close it |
| 15:55.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm working on it, HE interrupts my work with his FUCKING CLOSING MY BUGS |
| 15:55.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: DAMOG IS AN ARSE |
| 15:55.17 | cahoot | joeamined: you *do* have alsa-utils installed? |
| 15:55.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: he told you he was going to do it .. STOP WHINING |
| 15:55.32 | Edwin_Jaws | hark video driver? |
| 15:55.41 | azeem_ | tarzeau: stop writing in all caps |
| 15:55.43 | Drgb | highlight is so annoying sometimes |
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| 15:55.48 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: yes, in your xorg.conf |
| 15:56.24 | hark | cydork: dunno, something about there isno mpre need for this, and something else must be broken |
| 15:56.39 | joeamined | cahoot : no, i will install them |
| 15:56.41 | hark | cydork: * is no more |
| 15:56.50 | joeamined | cahoot: i hava gnome-alsamixer |
| 15:56.54 | joeamined | and alsa-base |
| 15:56.55 | cahoot | joeamined:do that and then run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 15:57.05 | Edwin_Jaws | hark: device , driver apm |
| 15:57.12 | joeamined | cahoot : ok |
| 15:57.18 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: that's the problem then |
| 15:57.23 | Edwin_Jaws | :S |
| 15:57.40 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: install xserver-xorg-video-mga |
| 15:57.52 | cahoot | hark: als-utils takes care of the mixer issue |
| 15:58.06 | Edwin_Jaws | hark: ok. I 'll do it now! |
| 15:58.22 | hark | cahoot: ah, that makes sense |
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| 15:58.59 | cahoot | hark: hence dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base should be enough |
| 15:59.01 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: then change "apm" to "mga" |
| 15:59.23 | Edwin_Jaws | hark: Ok |
| 15:59.34 | hark | !mga |
| 15:59.35 | dpkg | methinks mga is Matrox drivers are at http://www.matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/files/linux_09.cfm. Download and copy them to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers |
| 15:59.58 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: yes, it's mga for sure |
| 16:00.16 | abrotman | you shouldn't have to download anyhting for a matrox G200 |
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| 16:00.39 | hark | abrotman: he has the not so famous etch Xorg bug |
| 16:00.52 | abrotman | be less vague ? |
| 16:01.32 | Edwin_Jaws | hark : this driver I need to download |
| 16:01.36 | hark | abrotman: input devices ( kbd,mouse,synaptics) missing and wrong driver selected. usually apm or itv |
| 16:01.52 | abrotman | apt-get install xorg doesn't fix it ? |
| 16:02.00 | hark | Edwin_Jaws: no, you installed the other package right? |
| 16:02.13 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all seems to fix it |
| 16:02.23 | Edwin_Jaws | hark: yes |
| 16:02.24 | hark | ^ that does |
| 16:02.25 | jetscreamer | i've seen a few ppl with it so far |
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| 16:02.32 | hark | 12 so far here |
| 16:02.53 | jetscreamer | no idea why, just that fixes their whining .. :) |
| 16:03.38 | jetscreamer | i 'think' tasksel 'might' be the culprit but i'm not sure at all |
| 16:03.51 | Edwin_Jaws | hark:Thks! I get up the X but I have a resolution so big |
| 16:04.15 | hark | !drxx Edwin_Jaws |
| 16:04.15 | dpkg | Edwin_Jaws: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:04.39 | hark | hmm, but you hand edited it |
| 16:04.52 | jetscreamer | !xdm5 |
| 16:04.54 | Edwin_Jaws | hark: drxx, it is a command |
| 16:05.01 | jetscreamer | !xdm5sum |
| 16:05.05 | karmatronic | Edwin_Jaws: you can also ctrlalt+ or ctrlalt- |
| 16:05.09 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 16:05.17 | jetscreamer | i forget it |
| 16:05.21 | cydork | jetscreamer: it's xmd5 :) |
| 16:05.22 | abrotman | it just freaking told you |
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| 16:05.31 | jetscreamer | ah :) |
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| 16:05.49 | hark | !xorgmd5 |
| 16:05.50 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 16:05.51 | joeamined | yeahh ! everything is alright now |
| 16:05.59 | joeamined | i had to install alsa-utils |
| 16:06.15 | joeamined | cahoot : thanks ! |
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| 16:06.22 | Edwin_Jaws | harjk: how can I change the resolution |
| 16:06.46 | cahoot | joeamined: good |
| 16:06.56 | karmatronic | Edwin_Jaws: try the ctrl alt plus thing |
| 16:06.57 | iuso | hi, i have debian unstable installed with kde on my laptop. after some recent apt-get upgrade and/or reboot, the functions in klaptop behind "hibernate" and "suspend" options have switched place. it used to do suspend-to-ram from selecting hibernate and suspend-to-disk from suspend, but now it's vice versa. anyone heard of this? |
| 16:07.26 | asg | iuso: if nobody here has, try #debian-kde and also the bts |
| 16:07.50 | Edwin_Jaws | karmatronic: ctrl alt +? get nothing! |
| 16:08.01 | azeem | iuso: it seems correct now |
| 16:08.06 | jetscreamer | !drxx Edwin_Jaws |
| 16:08.06 | dpkg | Edwin_Jaws: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:08.10 | jetscreamer | that's how |
| 16:08.36 | karmatronic | Edwin_Jaws: type ctrl alt then symbol plus or minus |
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| 16:08.49 | abrotman | that will only work if he has more than one defined |
| 16:08.49 | jetscreamer | the kp +/- btw |
| 16:09.01 | karmatronic | Edwin_Jaws: agree with abotman |
| 16:09.02 | azeem | kp? |
| 16:09.05 | jetscreamer | left ctrl alt |
| 16:09.09 | abrotman | keypad |
| 16:09.10 | asg | azeem: keypad |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | numberpad |
| 16:10.09 | karmatronic | Edwin_Jaws: if it doesnt do anything, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:10.24 | karmatronic | Edwin_Jaws: u ll have to do it anyway ... |
| 16:10.31 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:10.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:10.48 | jetscreamer | remember remember |
| 16:11.05 | Edwin_Jaws | karmatronic: I am gonna go to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:11.06 | karmatronic | Edwin_Jaws: you ll have to do it anyway |
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| 16:13.15 | mystic_flame | Hello |
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| 16:13.52 | mystic_flame | i install the etch but i´m having problems in xr.conf |
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| 16:14.25 | mystic_flame | about run the mouse he say and my keyboard :| that what say and then the gdm dont run and nathing :| |
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| 16:15.25 | jetscreamer | modprobe mousedev maybe, mystic_flame |
| 16:15.31 | mystic_flame | something about mice and kdb in xorg :\ |
| 16:15.32 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 16:15.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:15.37 | hark | abrotman: no. 13 ^ ;) |
| 16:15.49 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 16:15.49 | jetscreamer | mystic_flame: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 16:15.59 | abrotman | !tell utab about root |
| 16:16.12 | jetscreamer | #13 he said, abrotman |
| 16:16.14 | asg | !tell abrotman to blow asg where the pampers is |
| 16:16.14 | mystic_flame | jetscreamer i type in the command line "modprobe mousedev " ? |
| 16:16.19 | abrotman | hark: i'm sure there's a bug in the BTS |
| 16:16.23 | jetscreamer | mystic_flame: abort that one |
| 16:16.26 | jetscreamer | mystic_flame: apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all |
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| 16:16.34 | mystic_flame | ok |
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| 16:17.36 | mystic_flame | is strange because :\ |
| 16:17.47 | mystic_flame | the keyboard works fine in the command line :| |
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| 16:18.01 | jetscreamer | x has it's own drivers |
| 16:18.08 | mystic_flame | and don`t start the gdm because the kdb "something about the keyboard" |
| 16:18.20 | mystic_flame | jetscreamer ohhh ok |
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| 16:18.40 | Edwin_Jaws | karmatronic: I run dpkg but it didnt work !:( |
| 16:18.54 | mystic_flame | i will change hd try to reboot and type what you say to i type thanks for the advice |
| 16:19.10 | Zap-W | does pam use /etc/nsswitch.conf , or it dosent have to do with pam? |
| 16:19.17 | Edwin_Jaws | I try tried to change resolution by prefereces/video resolution |
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| 16:19.25 | utab | I mount my cdrom which includes my backup, the problem is that its size is less that it is actually is, what could be the problem |
| 16:19.25 | Edwin_Jaws | and just has 640x480 |
| 16:20.11 | utab | I see that it has 3.2 GB on another system |
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| 16:21.38 | jetscreamer | ah he must have been dual booting i guess |
| 16:21.47 | robin_sz | utab, cdroms are only 780mb, not 3.2gb |
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| 16:22.15 | utab | robin_sz, sorry dvd |
| 16:22.31 | utab | robin_sz, how to mount a dvd |
| 16:22.36 | jetscreamer | Edwin_Jaws: did you do the xmd5sum thing |
| 16:23.21 | robin_sz | there are multiple types of DVD ... dvdrw dvdrw+ dvdrw- ... ive had various different systems report them in various ways |
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| 16:24.13 | utab | robin_sz, I have an ordinary dvd, not rewritable |
| 16:24.49 | robin_sz | and the two drives are the same? |
| 16:25.30 | utab | robin_sz, I could not understand, |
| 16:25.43 | blondie | utab: and how big is it on debian? |
| 16:25.56 | blondie | utab: what command are you using to mount it? |
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| 16:27.15 | abrotman | utab: are you watching it or is it data ? |
| 16:27.21 | Custopo | Hi, what is the way to connect to a AP without key, iwconfig ra0 key none, or what? |
| 16:27.28 | utab | blondie: the file is 3.2 gb but I am checking how to mount that I used mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom, but I guess it is not |
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| 16:27.40 | karmatronic | +i |
| 16:27.41 | utab | abrotman, sorry, yes |
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| 16:27.47 | Quark | hi all |
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| 16:27.58 | abrotman | utab: that wasn't a yes/no question |
| 16:28.07 | krazykit | Custopo: just don't do anything with the key... iwconfig ra0 essid whatever && dhclient ra0 |
| 16:28.07 | blondie | utab: dvds could be udf instead of iso9660 |
| 16:28.12 | christopher_l | someone know why firefox doesn't remember password for yahoo, when I |
| 16:28.14 | christopher_l | have the, remember password for sites, checked in preferences. |
| 16:28.16 | Quark | i have a problem, so, comeone use the eclipse in repository ? |
| 16:28.21 | blondie | abrotman: it *was* a yes/no question :) |
| 16:28.22 | Quark | someone* |
| 16:28.30 | abrotman | blondie: no it was not |
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| 16:28.33 | python | hi |
| 16:28.34 | python | http://www.enlargeyourpenis.de/61893/ |
| 16:28.34 | blondie | abrotman: it was. |
| 16:28.35 | python | :o |
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| 16:28.38 | utab | blondie: I have never done sth like that before so I am searching the right answer |
| 16:28.43 | Custopo | krazykit: ahh, without using iwconfig ra0 key off/none ?? |
| 16:28.47 | abrotman | blondie: it was an 'or' question |
| 16:28.48 | blackelf | abrotman: OH NOES SPAM |
| 16:28.57 | blondie | abrotman: or is true if either choice is true |
| 16:28.59 | blondie | or both |
| 16:29.02 | abrotman | blackelf: are you stupid? |
| 16:29.05 | Custopo | krazykit: thanks!! |
| 16:29.07 | pingouin | :) |
| 16:29.25 | krazykit | Custopo: yup. |
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| 16:29.56 | abrotman | blondie: okay .. you're not making sense |
| 16:29.59 | blackelf | abrotman: heh ;) Well this WAS a real off topic spam. |
| 16:30.04 | blondie | abrotman: it's basic logic |
| 16:30.12 | abrotman | blackelf: don't fucking tell me .. tell the ops |
| 16:30.16 | abrotman | blondie: no |
| 16:30.22 | blondie | yes |
| 16:30.31 | abrotman | blondie: it was not a yes/no question |
| 16:30.31 | blackelf | abrotman: I will |
| 16:30.37 | abrotman | why the fuck am i arguing this? |
| 16:30.38 | blondie | abrotman: it so was. |
| 16:30.40 | iuso | azeem: i've had the understanding that "hibernate" means suspend-to-ram and "suspend" means suspend-to-disk, which is not how it's now. but do you disagree? |
| 16:30.42 | abrotman | blackelf: no you didn't |
| 16:30.52 | abrotman | blondie: don't care .. argue with blackelf about it |
| 16:30.57 | blondie | no! |
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| 16:31.03 | blackelf | abrotman: "I will" referes to the future doesnt it |
| 16:31.05 | krazykit | either that, or stop arguing here about it... |
| 16:31.16 | robin_sz | shh, its fun |
| 16:31.18 | abrotman | blackelf: and yet .. you still haven't done anything about it |
| 16:31.19 | utab | abrotman, blondie: will you give this poor guy some ideas |
| 16:31.21 | pingouin | poor abrotman ;) |
| 16:31.22 | blondie | iuso: that's the wrong way round. |
| 16:31.27 | blackelf | abrotman: I messages staff. |
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| 16:31.36 | abrotman | blackelf: i hope they ban you for it |
| 16:31.46 | blondie | utab: type mount /dev/cdrom |
| 16:31.47 | daxxar | Hm. Could cryptsetup have changed its default options in the last .. year or so? (e.g. cipher) |
| 16:31.51 | abrotman | probably why greycat used to ban you :) |
| 16:31.51 | _joey_ | there's a directory, public_html for a user. How do I set permissions so that individual documents are readable but no listing of the directory is possible? |
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| 16:31.56 | DiamonD | Hellow |
| 16:31.58 | abrotman | utab: is it a movie, or data ? |
| 16:32.00 | DiamonD | i have question |
| 16:32.01 | blackelf | abrotman: me? |
| 16:32.05 | iuso | blondie: so you think "hibernate" should be suspend-to-ram? |
| 16:32.08 | utab | abrotman: data |
| 16:32.13 | DiamonD | is it possible to change a filename under ssh |
| 16:32.14 | blondie | iuso: no, hibernat is to disk |
| 16:32.19 | iuso | blondie: ok, thanks |
| 16:32.25 | blondie | +e |
| 16:32.26 | abrotman | utab: how many optical drives do you have ? |
| 16:32.27 | DiamonD | example : bla.txt to bla.conf |
| 16:32.32 | _joey_ | buh |
| 16:32.39 | _joey_ | is anybody reading me? |
| 16:32.40 | utab | abrotman: one, on a laptop |
| 16:32.40 | abrotman | DiamonD: man mv |
| 16:32.43 | robin_sz | DiamonD, certainly ... any remote command can be executed |
| 16:32.47 | abrotman | utab: where does /dev/cdrom point to ? |
| 16:33.01 | blackelf | is it just me or #debian could use more user friendly active users. |
| 16:33.07 | _joey_ | how do I setup resitricted shell account? |
| 16:33.20 | blackelf | _joey_: set rssh as login shell, or scponly |
| 16:33.28 | karmatronic | _joey_: you have to check your httpd.conf file |
| 16:33.33 | utab | abrotman from my fstab "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 16:33.37 | abrotman | you didn't even ask him what kind of restriction ... |
| 16:33.38 | _joey_ | blackelf sorry? |
| 16:34.00 | blackelf | _joey_: rssh or scponly are restricted shells. |
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| 16:34.07 | blondie | _joey_: chmod -r directory |
| 16:34.10 | _joey_ | I have public_html hosting documents in that account. I want to make it as secure as possible |
| 16:34.26 | blondie | chmod -r public_html |
| 16:34.27 | abrotman | so you don't want them to have a real shell ? |
| 16:34.33 | _joey_ | restricted shell is what I need. isn't it? |
| 16:34.36 | blackelf | _joey_: so you mean confiugration of http server, not shell access? |
| 16:34.40 | _joey_ | abrotman no |
| 16:34.45 | blondie | _joey_: no, change the permissions of it! |
| 16:34.49 | bkw | does debian by default come with any email server, (sendmail) ? |
| 16:34.50 | blackelf | _joey_: no you want to secure http |
| 16:34.55 | abrotman | wow |
| 16:35.00 | _joey_ | blackelf what for? |
| 16:35.01 | blondie | bkw: yes, exim |
| 16:35.02 | daxxar | Is it possible to check which cipher a crypted (cryptsetup) disk uses? |
| 16:35.03 | blackelf | bkw: it have AFAIK exim by default |
| 16:35.06 | robin_sz | bkw, exim4 .. |
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| 16:35.12 | _joey_ | i don't need crypt |
| 16:35.13 | DimmuR | how to check motherboard name/type under debian (if yes then how can i do this) ? |
| 16:35.15 | abrotman | is it just me or #debian could use more knowledgeable people |
| 16:35.22 | blackelf | daxxar: mount and or losetup -a |
| 16:35.24 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 16:35.24 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 16:35.25 | blondie | _joey_: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:35.27 | pingouin | DimmuR: open the tower ;) |
| 16:35.29 | blondie | abrotman: yes |
| 16:35.36 | abrotman | DimmuR: only way to get the exact model is to crack the case |
| 16:35.39 | blackelf | abrotman: yes |
| 16:35.45 | _joey_ | just don't want pesky n00bs hacking away on my box via http access |
| 16:35.45 | abrotman | blackelf: you're not helping |
| 16:35.59 | blondie | _joey_: did you read what I said? several times. |
| 16:36.00 | DimmuR | pingouin, opening the tower it not "under debian" :< |
| 16:36.06 | blondie | _joey_: I already gave you the answer |
| 16:36.09 | robin_sz | "hacking away --- via http" ?? |
| 16:36.10 | blackelf | abrotman: oh yes. WAIT WAIT PEOPLE, please discard all the helpfull responses I gave above. |
| 16:36.11 | robin_sz | weird |
| 16:36.12 | blondie | DimmuR: it's not possible. |
| 16:36.20 | pingouin | DimmuR: it's also "under debian" ;) |
| 16:36.27 | _joey_ | robin_sz aha |
| 16:36.33 | DimmuR | blondie, so there is no programs like aida32? |
| 16:36.47 | blackelf | abrotman: here you go: <blackelf> daxxar: mount and or losetup -a <blackelf> bkw: it have AFAIK exim by default |
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| 16:36.52 | _joey_ | via POST and GET |
| 16:36.54 | abrotman | didn't help did it ... |
| 16:36.59 | blondie | DimmuR: open the case, it's the easiest/only way |
| 16:37.01 | abrotman | Elive_user74: try #elive |
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| 16:37.10 | robin_sz | _joey_, eh? post and get are dangerous how exactly |
| 16:37.12 | Elive_user74 | hi |
| 16:37.13 | blackelf | abrotman: "yes exim" is not a valid response to questin "do debian have by default mail server"? |
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| 16:37.22 | abrotman | blackelf: please put me on /ignore |
| 16:37.26 | pingouin | :) |
| 16:37.30 | blondie | _joey_: wtf do POST/GET have to do with directory listings? |
| 16:37.32 | utab | blondie:udf did the trick, thx |
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| 16:37.38 | blackelf | abrotman: I cant, you will still ramble nonsense and be asshat |
| 16:37.42 | _joey_ | robin_sz dangerious to have thousands of sites to be hacked and defaced |
| 16:37.42 | abrotman | blackelf: please put me on /ignore |
| 16:37.46 | blackelf | abrotman: I cant, you will still ramble nonsense and be asshat |
| 16:37.47 | pingouin | hard sunday on #debian ;) |
| 16:37.48 | DimmuR | blondie, if it's for me it's not problem i have no even tower closed but it's for some friend that use debian and can't open tower (guaranty) and can't find motherboad book |
| 16:37.51 | karmatronic | _joey_: <Directory /> Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch AllowOverride None |
| 16:37.53 | karmatronic | </Directory /> |
| 16:38.03 | abrotman | should have had the spammer banned |
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| 16:38.06 | _joey_ | blondie shush, don't take my comments out of context, I was answering robin_sz |
| 16:38.07 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 16:38.11 | enouf | DimmuR: apt-get install dmidecode hwinfo lshw |
| 16:38.11 | robin_sz | _joey_, you seem to not understand about webhosting, appache, http, post, get or security |
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| 16:38.27 | abrotman | DimmuR: you can tell the chips, etc .. but not the actual mobo model |
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| 16:38.28 | blackelf | abrotman: cry me a river |
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| 16:38.34 | Elive_user74 | lol |
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| 16:38.41 | Elive_user74 | :) |
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| 16:38.53 | _joey_ | robin_sz how else information is sent to the web server? I am not aware of other methods by only POST and GET |
| 16:38.56 | abrotman | see .. blackelf drives away helpful people |
| 16:38.59 | Nazcafan | when I dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, I don't get the ncurses menu anymore, but at text answers and questions script, how can I get it back ? |
| 16:39.16 | daxxar | blackelf: one that is'nt used. :( |
| 16:39.20 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 16:39.27 | Nazcafan | abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 16:39.29 | daxxar | isn't mounted* |
| 16:39.34 | abrotman | Nazcafan: choose Dialog |
| 16:39.35 | krazykit | oh man, elive... so not up to date with e17 D: |
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| 16:39.51 | robin_sz | _joey_, well, mostly thats not how people get in to deface sites, unless of course its through insecure operations withi applications, but application security is a different topic entirely |
| 16:39.52 | blackelf | daxxar: /etc/fstab might inform what crypto will be used on mounting |
| 16:39.55 | sebas891 | hi, any idea why it is not using the /etc/hosts to resolve in firefox before using a dns service? |
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| 16:40.43 | abrotman | sebas891: yeah .. they decided to not have dns utils check it for some reason |
| 16:40.52 | daxxar | I've got a problem with me not recalling the passphrase for the partition my home area is on, and I've tried a *lot* of different ones. (I recently reinstalled and rebooted (for the first time in a year)) I'm beginning to suspect that perhaps cryptsetup on this installation (testing) uses a different cipher than the cryptsetup on the previous setup (unstable, ~330 days ago) |
| 16:40.56 | DimmuR | abrotman, lshw is showing model on my motherboard so it could show model there thans enouf |
| 16:40.59 | enouf | DimmuR: then as reg user do ~$ sudo hwinfo | grep -i -A 5 Manufacturer |
| 16:41.11 | abrotman | DimmuR: eh ... okay |
| 16:41.19 | enouf | DimmuR: ok .. there are many ways .. yes |
| 16:41.30 | blackelf | daxxar: what is the /etc/fstab entry for that partition |
| 16:41.37 | sebas891 | abrotman: ah!!!! is there a way to change this? |
| 16:41.53 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369922 |
| 16:41.57 | abrotman | sebas891: not that i'm aware .. |
| 16:42.06 | abrotman | sebas891: at least .. i'd guess this is the same problem as that bug describes |
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| 16:42.55 | daxxar | blackelf: it's not automagically decrypted, I had a manual script I ran before mounting it |
| 16:42.56 | Elive_user74 | i installed my wlan usb adapter with ndiswrapper |
| 16:43.01 | Elive_user74 | but i doesent work |
| 16:43.08 | Elive_user74 | here is my iwconfig http://paste.uni.cc/12616 |
| 16:43.09 | abrotman | Elive_user74: have you asked #elive ? |
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| 16:43.33 | _joey_ | robin_sz you have no clue about http protocol, so shush |
| 16:43.35 | blackelf | daxxar: the information probably is not stored on the partition itself, so unless you have that script my GUESS would be that you can not check it. |
| 16:43.43 | sebas891 | abrotman: yes, more or less, but I do not run the dns service in local. |
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| 16:43.51 | mystic_flame | Hello |
| 16:43.58 | _joey_ | robin_sz to have anything done with http server you need to be able to communicate with it |
| 16:44.05 | abrotman | sebas891: is this on etch/sid or sarge ? |
| 16:44.08 | mystic_flame | don`t work all the xorg.conf :\ |
| 16:44.11 | robin_sz | _joey_, correct. |
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| 16:44.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:44.23 | Elive_user74 | abrotman: no but if you would at my iwconfig ... |
| 16:44.27 | HardDisk_WP | any way to get debian into hibernate/standby mdoe? |
| 16:44.29 | Nazcafan | usually, when I reconfigured my xserver, It would propose by default, my current settings, since I edited my xorg.conf to fit with my new screen and try some nasty things with beryl, it won't do it anymore |
| 16:44.34 | abrotman | sebas891: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=355286 |
| 16:44.39 | Nazcafan | is there a way to get the previous behaviour ? |
| 16:44.41 | _joey_ | robin_sz and how do you think information is exchanged between http server and the clients? |
| 16:44.43 | sebas891 | abrotman: when I do ping, it uses de /etc/hosts but it is not the case when I put in domain in the browser... |
| 16:44.46 | abrotman | Elive_user74: please go to #elive for support, or install Debian |
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| 16:44.53 | Elive_user74 | omg |
| 16:45.01 | sebas891 | abrotman: etch |
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| 16:45.06 | Elive_user74 | it is just a nick |
| 16:45.06 | tralala | Nazcafan, /msg dpkg xmd5 |
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| 16:45.21 | abrotman | Elive_user74: are you using Elive or not ? |
| 16:45.26 | mystic_flame | abrotman the xorg.conf to the keyboard and mouse works but keeps don`t have no gdm :| |
| 16:45.32 | Elive_user74 | i could change it you would never know |
| 16:45.33 | sussudio | Elive_user74 on #debian #kanotix #elivefun #elive |
| 16:45.34 | abrotman | mystic_flame: gdm won't start ? |
| 16:45.38 | Elive_user74 | yes i do, so what |
| 16:45.40 | mystic_flame | nooo :| |
| 16:45.43 | Elive_user74 | am i damned now? |
| 16:45.44 | mystic_flame | no gdm |
| 16:45.50 | Elive_user74 | calm down dude |
| 16:45.54 | abrotman | Elive_user74: we do NOT support distros other than Debian here .. try #elive or ##linux |
| 16:46.08 | daxxar | blackelf: I have the script, it was just 'cryptsetup create crypted /dev/raid/encrypted' |
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| 16:46.18 | sussudio | !elive |
| 16:46.19 | dpkg | methinks elive is a livecd (installable) project and a perfectly distro based in debian and have only the enlightenment WM for managing all the system, utilities, libs, instalation, programation in EFL... the best distro in the world for this moments :), or supported in #elive |
| 16:46.21 | abrotman | mystic_flame: check the X log /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:46.25 | daxxar | (plus some checks for if it was already decrypted) |
| 16:46.25 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: http://www.suspend2.net/ perhaps |
| 16:46.26 | abrotman | mystic_flame: look for EE lines |
| 16:46.29 | mystic_flame | (ee) no devices detected ------- fatal error - no screens founds |
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| 16:46.40 | robin_sz | _joey_, well im sure you are right. |
| 16:46.43 | abrotman | mystic_flame: are you IRCing from the affected box ? |
| 16:46.46 | blackelf | daxxar: fell free to PM me that script |
| 16:46.48 | sussudio | !factinfo elive |
| 16:46.49 | dpkg | elive -- last modified at Tue Jul 25 02:32:32 2006 by abrotman!n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman; it has been requested 7 times, last by sussudio, 30s ago. |
| 16:46.55 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 16:46.55 | abrotman | i did ? |
| 16:47.01 | mystic_flame | abrotman i don`t understand sorry :| |
| 16:47.01 | abrotman | what ? |
| 16:47.12 | abrotman | mystic_flame: the box with no GDM .. is that the box you IRC from ? |
| 16:47.18 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i mean something where i dont have to recompile the kernel...last time i changed kernel it took me hours to get all workin again |
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| 16:47.28 | tralala | I couldn't even understand the meaning of it nor get an idea what the distro is all about. |
| 16:47.30 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: dunno |
| 16:47.41 | mystic_flame | i finish to install debian etch and the gdm don`t run |
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| 16:47.47 | olskolirc | ? |
| 16:47.57 | olskolirc | ? |
| 16:47.57 | abrotman | tralala: do have debian-based E17 distro |
| 16:48.01 | abrotman | tralala: erm .. to have |
| 16:48.05 | hark | mystic_flame: does it give the kbd and mouse error now? |
| 16:48.07 | mystic_flame | debian testing |
| 16:48.11 | mystic_flame | etch |
| 16:48.17 | mystic_flame | netinstall |
| 16:48.20 | abrotman | mystic_flame: did you check the log ? |
| 16:48.25 | _joey_ | does anyone know a site which will scan my public ip and provide me with information? |
| 16:48.28 | abrotman | mystic_flame: /join #flood |
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| 16:48.46 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search suspend a start HardDisk_WP .. also /msg dpkg laptop an visit the URLs about your make/Model |
| 16:48.53 | mystic_flame | abrotman i only have one pc ... :\ |
| 16:48.58 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i dont have a laptop |
| 16:49.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: hehe ..doh |
| 16:49.14 | mystic_flame | to catch the log i need to change the hd ... take and input another :\ |
| 16:49.21 | abrotman | mystic_flame: are you in debian right now ? |
| 16:49.32 | abrotman | mystic_flame: you can't login at the command prompt ? |
| 16:49.46 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: uswsusp - tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux |
| 16:49.53 | mystic_flame | yes i can login |
| 16:50.05 | olskolirc | i want to upgrade from sarge to etch can someone give me the etch repositories and do i just do dist-upgrade? |
| 16:50.05 | mystic_flame | fine |
| 16:50.12 | mystic_flame | i bealiver that because i have one |
| 16:50.17 | mystic_flame | grafic card new |
| 16:50.22 | mystic_flame | from ati |
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| 16:50.30 | hark | mystic_flame: does it still give the kbd and mouse error now or is it gone? |
| 16:50.36 | mystic_flame | the old pne never gives me problems |
| 16:50.37 | abrotman | mystic_flame: this will be much easier if you IRC from Debian instead of whatever OS you're in now |
| 16:50.46 | mystic_flame | yes the mouse and keyboard problem are gone |
| 16:50.53 | mystic_flame | but no gdm :| |
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| 16:51.05 | abrotman | mystic_flame: please put the Debian HDD in .. and IRC from debian |
| 16:51.05 | hark | mystic_flame: then check the Driver in xorg.conf (Section Device) |
| 16:51.06 | mystic_flame | ee no devices detected |
| 16:51.10 | daxxar | Hmm. Something peculiar has happened to my filesystem. I had a software-raid that worked fine under my unstable-system, but now, when I mount it, first it showed the files and dirs, but the permissions were totally borked (ls showed ? for uid/gid, permissions were all wrong). Now it shows nothing, and an fsck on it gives me a *million* Inode <some number>, i_blocks is <number larger than 104, up to many thousand>, should be 104. What could be wrong? |
| 16:51.24 | hark | mystic_flame: what does it say? |
| 16:51.24 | daxxar | Also one "Directory inode 670435, block 0, offset 0: directory corrupted" |
| 16:51.44 | HardDisk_WP | !info uswsusp |
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| 16:51.51 | dpkg | uswsusp: (tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3~cvs20060928-6 (sid), Packaged size: 499 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB |
| 16:51.56 | Ny-Ty | hmm |
| 16:52.01 | Ny-Ty | daxxar: software raid |
| 16:52.09 | mystic_flame | i´m in windows easy never use ... irc from command line only xchat like this i will try one moment |
| 16:52.14 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, how do i get information what a package provides? |
| 16:52.16 | mystic_flame | ok i will try |
| 16:52.18 | Ny-Ty | and software raid supported by motherboard or system ? |
| 16:52.25 | daxxar | system |
| 16:52.26 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache show uswsusp |
| 16:52.29 | daxxar | I.e. linux |
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| 16:52.48 | Ny-Ty | hmmm |
| 16:52.53 | Ny-Ty | it can be problem |
| 16:53.00 | daxxar | "EXT3-fs warning (device dm-1): ext3_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous mount: IO failure" |
| 16:53.11 | nikosapi | If I created a RAID 5 array and /proc/mdstat says it's still being created can I safely turn off the computer? |
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| 16:53.36 | abrotman | i probably wouldn't ... |
| 16:53.37 | daxxar | "EXT3-fs error (device dm-1): ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #4202749: rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=0, inode=0, rec_len=0, name_len=0" "Aborting journal on device dm-1." "EXT3-fs error (device dm-1): ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #3810221: rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=0, inode=0, rec_len=0, name_len=0" - these are from my dmesg |
| 16:53.54 | krazykit | daxxar: have you tried fsck? |
| 16:54.02 | war | nikosapi: yes |
| 16:54.10 | war | nikosapi: when you sttart back up it should continue where it left off |
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| 16:54.16 | abrotman | for swraid ? |
| 16:54.18 | war | nikosapi: I had this happen because of a lightning storm on a raid5 w/ ups |
| 16:54.19 | war | yes |
| 16:54.26 | war | my ups shut my box down |
| 16:54.29 | war | when it was doing a rebuild |
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| 16:54.33 | daxxar | krazykit: Yep. As I said, fsck on it gives me a *million* Inode <some number>, i_blocks is <number larger than 104, up to many thousand>, should be 104. |
| 16:54.34 | abrotman | use fedex! |
| 16:54.35 | war | and hwen it came back up it picked up where it left off |
| 16:54.45 | olskolirc | i want to upgrade from sarge to etch can someone give me the etch repositories and do i just do dist-upgrade? |
| 16:54.58 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, :-( |
| 16:54.59 | abrotman | olskolirc: show us what you have now .. |
| 16:55.00 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:55.01 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:55.06 | SerajewelKS | !sarge->etch |
| 16:55.06 | olskolirc | i have sarge |
| 16:55.06 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 16:55.08 | nikosapi | war: Does it make sense that it says it's going to take 70Hrs to build an array with 3 320GB disks? |
| 16:55.09 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, it didnt give me a list of commands it porivdes |
| 16:55.10 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: ^^^ |
| 16:55.13 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: :-( |
| 16:55.23 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: what do you mean? |
| 16:55.40 | daxxar | Basically, I have a software (md0) raid mirror, on top of it I have a lvm, and that lvm is partitioned into two partitions (one "encrypted" and one "plain"). I can't seem to either a) recall the passphrase (for the encrypted one) or b) something with the crypted is broken, and the plain one seems to be broken :( |
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| 16:55.43 | olskolirc | Linux debianrokz 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:55.44 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, in the info text it didnt provide any command which i can sue to hibernate the system |
| 16:56.04 | olskolirc | thats all i know how to do abrotman :-( |
| 16:56.10 | SerajewelKS | olskolirc: did you see what i soid |
| 16:56.14 | SerajewelKS | said* |
| 16:56.17 | abrotman | !tell olskolirc about sarge->etch |
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| 16:56.31 | SerajewelKS | !lose abrotman |
| 16:56.32 | Tox | hi, what is the last debian distr ? |
| 16:56.32 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 16:56.32 | olskolirc | oh ok |
| 16:56.33 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 16:56.34 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 16:56.39 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: he still didn't see it ... |
| 16:56.42 | abrotman | or see yours |
| 16:56.44 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: documentation usually accompanies the pkg .. or install hte "Recommends" as well |
| 16:56.45 | HardDisk_WP | Tox, Sarge |
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| 16:56.56 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i know, just being an ass |
| 16:57.04 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: try #poland |
| 16:57.06 | Tox | is it better than ubuntu ? |
| 16:57.10 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: though that's your job... |
| 16:57.12 | war | nikosapi: it depends on how uhave it hooked up |
| 16:57.13 | enouf | bah .. Sid only it appears .. bpo time HardDisk_WP |
| 16:57.17 | war | nikosapi: but 70hrs is wrong |
| 16:57.17 | tralala | Tox, you can find out this and much more about debian on debian.org |
| 16:57.21 | SerajewelKS | Tox: defire "better" |
| 16:57.23 | abrotman | Tox: depends on what you're looking for in a distro |
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| 16:57.27 | war | nikosapi: I can tell you I had 10 400GB disks, it took 36hrs |
| 16:57.29 | SerajewelKS | define too, god i can't type today |
| 16:57.31 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, aah, packages.debian.org showed it |
| 16:57.35 | war | nikosapi: 3 disks shouldn't take longer than 2-3 hours |
| 16:57.35 | Tox | stability |
| 16:57.43 | war | nikosapi: and if it is, you cabled your drives wrong |
| 16:57.43 | SerajewelKS | Tox: either should be stable |
| 16:57.52 | war | nikosapi: if you are using slave drives, then it will take 70hrs |
| 16:57.57 | war | nikosapi: same is true if you don't have dma on |
| 16:58.11 | SerajewelKS | Tox: and you realize you are asking in a debian channel, right? so you're not going to get, you know, neutral opinions? |
| 16:58.14 | abrotman | Tox: Debian Sarge is probably a good bit more stable than ubuntu |
| 16:58.20 | Tox | just want to try debian |
| 16:58.33 | SerajewelKS | Tox: then try it |
| 16:58.42 | nikosapi | war: ok, I'll check that out. Thanks! |
| 16:59.08 | yang | hehe, I figured out a free shell provider that uses PDP-10 servers |
| 16:59.11 | Tox | is it true ubuntu made on debian ? |
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| 16:59.21 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 16:59.22 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 16:59.26 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: actually it is in Etch too |
| 16:59.31 | Tox | yes i mean based |
| 16:59.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.12 | SerajewelKS | Tox: ubuntu uses dpkg, that's about all they have in common |
| 17:00.14 | magic_stone | re |
| 17:00.20 | hark | !ubuntu Tox |
| 17:00.24 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, yay, i installed it but it don't work |
| 17:00.26 | magic_stone | let`s me see if i can use this :\ |
| 17:00.31 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: :-( |
| 17:00.32 | SerajewelKS | Tox: or at least it's the most you can be guaranteed that they have in common at any particular point in time |
| 17:00.35 | krazykit | SerajewelKS: not really... ubuntu is source compatible with debian... |
| 17:00.39 | abrotman | magic_stone: are you on irssi now ? |
| 17:00.59 | magic_stone | yes i'm abrotman and in flood to |
| 17:00.59 | robin_sz | krazykit, and how do you figure that? |
| 17:01.07 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: source as in any program X in source form, or source packages? |
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| 17:01.15 | robin_sz | i suppsoe it depends on how you define "compatible" |
| 17:01.16 | Tox | thats good ! last question why debian on dvd but ubuntu only on one cd ? |
| 17:01.27 | abrotman | debian is way bigger |
| 17:01.31 | hark | magic_stone: you did not tell what the driver was in your xorg.conf... |
| 17:01.36 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: did you read the output of apt-cache show uswsusp ? |
| 17:01.38 | krazykit | robin_sz: because they say so. both use pbuilder and the exact same syntax for building packages |
| 17:01.41 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: To use this package you need a Linux kernel version 2.6.17-rc1 or newer |
| 17:01.41 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.42 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.47 | daxxar | Okay, Ny-Ty and krazykit (and anyone else that have an opinion on the subject): this is the relevant data from my system: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5032 |
| 17:01.53 | olskolirc | its going the it |
| 17:01.54 | Tox | btw wot recommended disk space usage for debian ? |
| 17:01.56 | olskolirc | thanks guys |
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| 17:01.59 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i have 2.6.18 |
| 17:02.11 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:02.12 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 17:02.14 | SerajewelKS | Tox: depends what you're using it for |
| 17:02.15 | daxxar | mdadm info, lvm info, dmesg errors and fsck errors. Also note, I can't mount the crypted fs, could be I just don't remember the passphrase, :-) |
| 17:02.18 | robin_sz | krazykit, thats not exaclty a long way down the compatible road is it |
| 17:02.18 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i ran s2both, for a sec the screen got black and then was back |
| 17:02.23 | Tox | desktop pc |
| 17:02.45 | daxxar | Any suggestions would *really* be appreciated. I just reinstalled from my (outdated) Debian Unstable to Debian Testing, and after that I've gotten all these errors. |
| 17:02.49 | SerajewelKS | Tox: the system should run fine with a few gigs, probably 10 would be my recommended minimum |
| 17:03.01 | SerajewelKS | Tox: but the system should fit on 4 |
| 17:03.07 | krazykit | robin_sz: which is why it's source compatible and not binary compatible. in development, ubuntu syncs with sid a few times and goes from there. |
| 17:03.14 | robin_sz | krazykit, and the dependencies are differetn ans some packages in ubuntu dont even exist in debian, and some of them require versions entirely different to the ones in the other and ... |
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| 17:03.23 | hark | magic_stone: you did not tell what the driver was in your xorg.conf... |
| 17:03.43 | Tox | thank you very much guys gonna download iso :) |
| 17:03.48 | robin_sz | krazykit, that doesnt mean you can take an ubuntu source and compile it on debain and have it work |
| 17:04.15 | SerajewelKS | krazykit: as i said, dpkg is the only thing they have in common *at some point in time*. they may be "source compatible" now but that may not be the case in a day, and maybe they weren't yesterday too. |
| 17:04.19 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: maybe your kernel is bunged, maybe you also need proper acpi support, maybe your cmdline disables it .. maybe apt-get install initramfs-tools |
| 17:04.41 | abrotman | hark: /j #flood |
| 17:04.50 | cyberix | jello: Why is the Festalon package in contrib? |
| 17:04.51 | abrotman | hark: nm :) |
| 17:05.05 | cyberix | jello: A new version coming out any day soon? |
| 17:05.10 | SerajewelKS | cyberix: because it depends on something nonfree |
| 17:05.19 | cyberix | GNU C Library |
| 17:05.26 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, are newsest version, ernel is stock kernel |
| 17:05.30 | cyberix | http://packages.debian.org/stable/sound/festalon |
| 17:05.37 | olskolirc | after upgrading from sarge to etch, do i have to mess with the kernel? |
| 17:05.48 | cyberix | jello: The current one is missing support for nsfe-files. |
| 17:05.54 | HardDisk_WP | olskolirc, not necessarily |
| 17:05.59 | olskolirc | ok |
| 17:06.00 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: stock Debian kernel is a good start |
| 17:06.10 | SerajewelKS | cyberix: "depends" not meaning exclusively a .deb dependency. |
| 17:06.23 | SerajewelKS | cyberix: maybe you need to download something nonfree yourself to use it. |
| 17:06.32 | cyberix | Nope |
| 17:06.36 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: what's cat /proc/cmdline say? |
| 17:06.48 | olskolirc | what was that command that you use to bring up the kernel panel to click what you want enabled? |
| 17:07.03 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, marco@debian:~$ cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 17:07.03 | HardDisk_WP | root=/dev/hda4 ro |
| 17:07.05 | cyberix | SerajewelKS: Didn't download anything. Works like a rdeam. |
| 17:07.25 | olskolirc | works like its redeemed huh |
| 17:07.35 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: pastebin the output of dmesg | grep -i acpi |
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| 17:08.19 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, wait a bit, i reinstalled the 3: acpi acpid acpi-support |
| 17:08.24 | HardDisk_WP | lemme try now |
| 17:08.26 | MatBoy | was someone able to use skype + webcam ? |
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| 17:08.40 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, failed :( |
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| 17:08.46 | SerajewelKS | cyberix: file a bug saying it's in the wrong repo |
| 17:09.17 | yacc | Anyone got an idea why cups is returning a "printer not connected, will retry in 30s" without even trying to access the port (/dev/usb/lp0)? |
| 17:09.26 | HardDisk_WP | MatBoy, current skype version for linux dont support webcam |
| 17:09.34 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: logout and back in to X and try again |
| 17:09.39 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 17:09.41 | MatBoy | HardDisk_WP, nope indeed, but maybe there was a BETA ? |
| 17:09.49 | Tox | is 3.1_r4 sarge ? i dont know wich exactly download ? |
| 17:09.49 | HardDisk_WP | i dunno |
| 17:09.59 | MatBoy | me neither |
| 17:10.05 | abrotman | Tox: for a desktop .. isntall etch |
| 17:10.09 | abrotman | !d-i Tox |
| 17:10.09 | dpkg | Tox, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:10.18 | abrotman | Tox: second link .. get the RC1 |
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| 17:10.47 | Tox | can u look urself and recommend ? |
| 17:10.55 | abrotman | i did :) |
| 17:11.01 | Tox | ftp://ftp.litnet.lt/pub/debian-cd |
| 17:12.01 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, still dont work |
| 17:12.10 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: :-( dunno |
| 17:12.31 | abrotman | Tox: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and get the RC1 |
| 17:13.54 | Tox | ill try. dz it support all possible langs ? |
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| 17:14.10 | pingouin | ~/.xinitrc is deprecated ? |
| 17:14.12 | apt | ...but /.xinitrc is already something else... |
| 17:14.36 | pingouin | better user ~/.xsession or something like that ? |
| 17:14.44 | magic_stone | abrotman can you see something there ? |
| 17:14.44 | abrotman | depends on how you start X |
| 17:14.57 | pingouin | abrotman: i type...startx |
| 17:14.59 | abrotman | magic_stone: it's still going in ... gonna take a while .. hark is looking too |
| 17:15.37 | cast | is apt-src suggested over apt-build? |
| 17:16.49 | Tox | 2dvds almost 9gigs debian so large? |
| 17:17.20 | krazykit | Tox: only if you want to download that much... you can do a netinstall, and download only ~150 megs |
| 17:17.37 | krazykit | and then download all the packages while it installs |
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| 17:18.09 | Tox | And all other stuff download later if only i neede it ? |
| 17:18.22 | krazykit | yup |
| 17:18.33 | Tox | like in ubuntu |
| 17:18.37 | _joey_ | how do I set domain name specific to one host only? |
| 17:18.48 | _joey_ | in /etc/hosts? |
| 17:18.50 | krazykit | like in any sane distro, really... |
| 17:19.06 | krazykit | the package dvds are good if the box will never have a connection to the internet |
| 17:19.24 | cast | or dialup..oh, same thing almost |
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| 17:19.42 | Tox | thats good too no need to spend traffic |
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| 17:22.10 | hark | magic_stone: ati card right? |
| 17:22.15 | Tox | what is jigdo ? |
| 17:22.43 | hark | !jigdo |
| 17:22.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
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| 17:22.55 | roxy_ | I am trying gmailfs on testing. when mounting I got this error: fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.59 | roxy_ | fuse: reading device: Bad file descriptor |
| 17:23.18 | roxy_ | I do not have /dev/fuse . What can I do ? |
| 17:23.55 | tralala | roxy_, modprobe fuse |
| 17:23.56 | olskolirc | whats the kde version for etch please? |
| 17:23.58 | utab | Can someone name some reasons why it takes ages to copy from a dvd to my home drive, the process is still on but so slow |
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| 17:24.34 | krazykit | utab: no DMA on one of the drives, perhaps? |
| 17:24.53 | utab | krazykit : what is that? |
| 17:25.14 | karmatronic | utab: apt-get install hdparm |
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| 17:25.28 | roxy_ | tralala: working, thanks a lot . |
| 17:25.31 | utab | karmatronic: thx, what is that used for? |
| 17:26.03 | karmatronic | utab: to check and improve performances on your hard disk and cd/dvd drievs |
| 17:26.15 | karmatronic | s/drievs/drives |
| 17:26.47 | karmatronic | utab: if your dvd device is |
| 17:27.09 | karmatronic | utab: /dev/hda , you would do hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 17:27.22 | karmatronic | utab: to activate dma on that drive |
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| 17:28.12 | utab | karmatronic; I see, thx |
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| 17:29.48 | Cuddles_in_KY | afternoon folks, i'm back. |
| 17:30.04 | Cuddles_in_KY | x is working perfectly now, but i have one little thing to change. |
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| 17:30.19 | roxy_ | is gmailfs automatically encrypted or should I do something for it to be ? |
| 17:30.27 | Cuddles_in_KY | how can i -stop- it from blanking the screen and going into powersave mode/ |
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| 17:31.43 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: get rid of dpms? |
| 17:31.46 | Cuddles_in_KY | anyone? |
| 17:31.55 | Cuddles_in_KY | okay hark, how? |
| 17:32.58 | hark | !dpms |
| 17:32.59 | dpkg | hmm... dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 17:33.18 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: do you have it in your xorg.conf? |
| 17:33.43 | Cuddles_in_KY | well, the option is there. |
| 17:34.01 | yacc | Anyone experienced with cups here? |
| 17:34.32 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, but all it says is Option "DPMS" |
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| 17:35.33 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: yeah, that's ok. you can specify the blank time and all here or use xset etc. |
| 17:35.38 | runa | hi i am new to debian how can i upgrade from stable to testing |
| 17:35.51 | olskolirc | dpkg is ugly |
| 17:35.53 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, could i just add ''off'' to the end/ |
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| 17:36.05 | runa | i just changed source.list but it does not work |
| 17:36.10 | hark | !tell runa about sarge->etch |
| 17:36.13 | olskolirc | he says nothing |
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| 17:36.29 | olskolirc | !tell dpkg ugly |
| 17:36.33 | FarrisG | Anyone know of any FOSS web-based project management tools? I really like Basecamp, but it's not as free as I'd like |
| 17:36.36 | roxy_ | runa: did you "aptitude update & aptitude dist-upgrade" ? |
| 17:36.46 | azeem | olskolirc: it only answers on questions it knows |
| 17:36.53 | juh | Hi after an upgrade of stable apache will not install it stops with this line Stopping web server: apacheNo process in pidfile `/var/run/apache.pid' found running; none killed. |
| 17:36.57 | olskolirc | i see |
| 17:37.24 | olskolirc | oh it sent me a msg no olskolirc i wont |
| 17:37.25 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: not sure. maybe? |
| 17:37.29 | juh | there are some apache processes in ps aux | grep which i cannot kill with -9 |
| 17:37.36 | hark | Cuddles_in_KY: or comment it out |
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| 17:37.44 | olskolirc | target invalid |
| 17:38.15 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, trying it with the comment out. |
| 17:38.23 | g333k | Hi, now that icedove is installed my extensions for thunderbird dont work anymore |
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| 17:41.42 | Cuddles_in_KY | hark, i think that fixed it. |
| 17:42.12 | Cuddles_in_KY | ok, next question... |
| 17:42.23 | Cuddles_in_KY | is there a config file for gkrellm? |
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| 17:43.34 | schme | Cuddles_in_KY: man gkrellm |
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| 17:43.47 | Cuddles_in_KY | schme, done that, no joy. |
| 17:43.57 | schme | Cuddles_in_KY: it clearly sasy there are config files |
| 17:44.01 | schme | says |
| 17:44.30 | Cuddles_in_KY | schme, yes, but the specific file isn't on my system. |
| 17:44.58 | schme | darn. |
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| 17:47.40 | schme | Cuddles_in_KY: it ought to write one if you set some options in the program .. ? |
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| 17:47.57 | Cuddles_in_KY | tried that schme. |
| 17:48.27 | Cuddles_in_KY | schme, the config is being saved -somewhere-, but i can't find it, and it's not saving the theme i chose |
| 17:48.28 | schme | oh. |
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| 17:49.15 | schme | maybe create ~./gkrellm2 ? |
| 17:49.18 | runa | dpkg i did what u said but it gives me some errors like there is not a public key for the following id A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 17:49.18 | dpkg | runa: what are you talking about? |
| 17:49.28 | krazykit | runa: dpkg is a bot |
| 17:49.41 | runa | sorry |
| 17:49.46 | krazykit | runa: also, read the topic |
| 17:50.05 | AeonLibrarian | !macdonalds |
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| 17:50.40 | Cuddles_in_KY | schme, that fixed it, but it's still not saving the theme. |
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| 17:51.05 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 17:51.05 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 17:51.05 | schme | :S |
| 17:51.06 | runa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:51.14 | schme | Cuddles_in_KY: can't help you there.. never used gkrellm |
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| 17:52.38 | utab | karmatronic: hdparm -d1 <drive> is not working I have checked the manual but wanted to ask again, when I even untar a tar archieve it is too slow to write to the drive |
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| 17:53.00 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: wtf? |
| 17:53.12 | tarzeau | jetscreamer? |
| 17:53.30 | jetscreamer | [11.52.06] <tarzeau> http://www.tangerinefuck.ch.vu/ |
| 17:53.50 | cydork | heh |
| 17:53.54 | Cuddles_in_KY | schme, thanks. i'll get there. |
| 17:54.00 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: biology class |
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| 17:55.40 | g333k | Hi, I have installed the php5 module for apache2, but when I want to open a test.php file firefox wants to download it, why? |
| 17:55.58 | singe | your content type isn't being set properly |
| 17:56.06 | jetscreamer | you have to set the thingy in the apache.conf.. mimetype or something |
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| 17:56.10 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 17:56.24 | PcDark | Why can't I delete my apache2 files |
| 17:56.25 | jetscreamer | ppl ask that one all the time |
| 17:56.25 | PcDark | I"m root |
| 17:56.33 | jetscreamer | because you're not worthy |
| 17:56.36 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:56.38 | PcDark | ... |
| 17:56.40 | utab | why is untar so slow |
| 17:56.47 | PcDark | Please someone help |
| 17:56.50 | jetscreamer | maybe they're locked/open , no idea |
| 17:56.57 | PcDark | .... |
| 17:56.59 | g333k | singe, what option do I have to edit? |
| 17:57.00 | utab | is that related with dma of my drive |
| 17:57.05 | PcDark | i tried apt-get install apache2 |
| 17:57.08 | PcDark | and it wouldn't install it all |
| 17:57.14 | PcDark | Do I seriously have to reinistall debian |
| 17:57.28 | jetscreamer | only if you can't figure it out :o |
| 17:57.35 | PcDark | ... |
| 17:57.38 | PcDark | you're no help |
| 17:57.44 | jetscreamer | seriously, i don't know anything about apache |
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| 17:58.04 | craigevil | why not remove --purge then reinstall apache |
| 17:58.05 | MoDaX | PcDark: what the error? |
| 17:58.09 | jetscreamer | the php/mimetype one is very common though |
| 17:58.12 | MoDaX | what's* |
| 17:58.13 | PcDark | yeah |
| 17:58.17 | PcDark | It says permission denied |
| 17:58.24 | PcDark | I accidently destroyed openssl |
| 17:58.25 | jetscreamer | as root? |
| 17:58.31 | singe | g333k: it usually indicates that your php isn't installed correctly, have you enabled the mod in /etc/apache2/mods_enabled ? |
| 17:58.32 | PcDark | thus completely destroying all my apache2, mods |
| 17:58.33 | PcDark | etc |
| 17:58.44 | sam_uk | i have to run alsaconf at every reboot to get sound working. I tried: "alsactrl save" but i still need to do it every reboot. is there another way? |
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| 17:58.57 | PcDark | this sucks |
| 17:58.59 | MoDaX | PcDark: what files are you removing? please be more specific |
| 17:59.03 | PcDark | the /apache2 |
| 17:59.12 | g333k | singe, I did: gaf1:/usr/lib/apache2/modules# a2enmod php5 and I got this oupu:t This module is already enabled! |
| 17:59.13 | PcDark | I want to completely remove all apt-get'd files |
| 17:59.15 | PcDark | is that possible |
| 17:59.20 | PcDark | besides gnome |
| 17:59.20 | azeem | PcDark: use apt-get remove |
| 17:59.22 | PcDark | and x |
| 17:59.27 | PcDark | I tried apt-get remove apache2 |
| 17:59.30 | PcDark | and it won't delete it ! |
| 17:59.31 | azeem | and? |
| 17:59.33 | craigevil | aptitude purge apache2 |
| 17:59.34 | azeem | delete what? |
| 17:59.38 | g333k | singe, then I restart apache and the problem persists |
| 17:59.48 | MoDaX | PcDark: tell us errors |
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| 18:00.00 | g333k | PcDark, #apt-get clean |
| 18:00.05 | PcDark | hopefully that worked |
| 18:00.08 | azeem | g333k: that doesn't help |
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| 18:00.21 | g333k | azeem, about my problem? |
| 18:00.24 | PcDark | aptitude didn't delete apache2 |
| 18:00.25 | i7ch | how do i tell make-kpkg to run make with the -j2 option? |
| 18:00.26 | singe | g333k: check your error log, what does it say? |
| 18:00.27 | MoDaX | PcDark: apt-get --purge remove apache2 post output to |
| 18:00.30 | MoDaX | !pastebin |
| 18:00.30 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 18:00.46 | abrotman | apache2-common |
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| 18:01.59 | crono- | if a card doesnt support mii is there some other way i can make it half-duplex? |
| 18:02.09 | PcDark | it says an apache process is running |
| 18:02.13 | PcDark | Yet there is none, with ps -e |
| 18:02.13 | abrotman | ethtool maybe ? |
| 18:02.30 | PcDark | wait |
| 18:02.33 | PcDark | it removed apache2 |
| 18:02.34 | PcDark | thanks |
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| 18:03.48 | utab | why is my file transfers from cdrom to drives and untar operations so slow, this is sth related with dma I guess |
| 18:03.52 | g333k | singe, there are no errors |
| 18:03.56 | MoDaX | indeed, debian is not windows. reboot usually doesn't help neither reinstall does |
| 18:03.59 | PcDark | there removed apache |
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| 18:04.23 | MoDaX | utab: hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom |
| 18:04.24 | PcDark | Finally, apache webserver online |
| 18:04.31 | jetscreamer | utab: it could be dma.. what MoDaX said |
| 18:05.25 | g333k | How is the correct way to enable the php5 module for apache2? |
| 18:05.40 | abrotman | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:05.50 | singe | g333k: and the other logs? Does the file have the extension '.php'? |
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| 18:06.00 | utab | MoDaX, jetscreamer I tried that but there is still a problem, How can I understand dma is on/enabled |
| 18:06.16 | joeamined | are there backports for etch ? |
| 18:06.16 | g333k | singe, the file I'm trying to open? yeah! is the test.php |
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| 18:06.24 | singe | g333k: the command you used is correct, you can check the symlink in mods_enabled to confirm. |
| 18:06.28 | MoDaX | utab: what did hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom tell you? |
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| 18:07.47 | g333k | singe, so whats my problem? |
| 18:08.02 | MoDaX | g333k: have you reloaded apache? |
| 18:08.19 | abrotman | cleared cache, restarted browser ? |
| 18:08.29 | singe | g333k: not sure, check the other logs, make sure the php file is valid php and has the extension .php |
| 18:08.40 | jetscreamer | it told him... wait for it.... |
| 18:08.42 | g333k | MoDaX, yep |
| 18:08.47 | abrotman | cleared cache, restarted browser ? |
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| 18:09.01 | jetscreamer | there, it told him that :o |
| 18:09.15 | g333k | singe, in syslog I have this: Jan 7 12:39:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[22181]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) |
| 18:09.25 | utab | MoDaX, I even can not check that it is so slow during untar |
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| 18:09.59 | MoDaX | utab: what was hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom output? |
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| 18:11.49 | g333k | abrotman, that was what I was missing... to clear the cache |
| 18:11.56 | g333k | abrotman, no it works, thanks bra |
| 18:12.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:13.51 | daxxar | Stupid "linux-gate"-thingmabob refuses my messages because I'm "not registered", even though I just did! :( |
| 18:14.20 | dvs | daxxar: isn't that a newsgroup? |
| 18:14.34 | azeem | daxxar: I don't think we can help you with that |
| 18:14.37 | daxxar | It's a, seemingly, mirror (both ways) of the debian-user-ML. |
| 18:14.43 | daxxar | I'm just venting, no problem. ;-) |
| 18:14.54 | utab | MoDaX operation not permitted |
| 18:15.03 | MoDaX | utab: as root |
| 18:15.20 | AeonLibrarian | (sudo)(su) |
| 18:15.24 | utab | MoDaX, since it is my laptop I can not give the full output |
| 18:15.33 | crono- | i take down an interface, and start it up again, and now it doesnt respond to ping but im still using it to be here.. |
| 18:15.41 | utab | MoDaX I am root |
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| 18:15.57 | MoDaX | utab: it said dma off? |
| 18:16.21 | MoDaX | utab: 0 or 1 ? |
| 18:16.39 | utab | MoDaX using dma=0 off |
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| 18:17.10 | MoDaX | utab: sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 18:17.29 | utab | MoDaX sarge |
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| 18:18.19 | AeonLibrarian | crono: how do you ping an interface? |
| 18:18.48 | MoDaX | utab: I will need your dmesg output |
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| 18:19.20 | utab | MoDaX I am not sure I will be able to get that because the system is hell slow |
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| 18:19.37 | Zweisteine | hi, i've upgraded to testing and unfortunately can no longer start x. I have an ATi video card which uses the driver 'fglrx'. WHen I type startx, my screen goes black, and i have to reboot my machine. I ran aticonfig and disabled TV display (that worked the last time i had this problem) and now it doesn't black my screen anymore, it just shuts down with an error: failed to initialise core devices. I have the stderr output in a file and i can post it if needed |
| 18:20.08 | JohnLenin | Hi, I was wondering if some of you can help me...I have a package I'd like to submit to the debian project, but after reading all the docs and everything I'm not entirely sure about how to go about it...can anyone help? |
| 18:20.15 | ahmednitul | anyone know any way to run CentOS & Windows 98 same time ???? like Parellel Workstation ???? |
| 18:20.19 | utab | MoDaX tell me now |
| 18:20.22 | abrotman | ahmednitul: wrong channel |
| 18:20.29 | abrotman | ahmednitul: try #centos |
| 18:20.32 | ahmednitul | abrotman oh :/ |
| 18:20.33 | ahmednitul | abrotman |
| 18:20.35 | ahmednitul | what about debian ? |
| 18:20.45 | abrotman | what about it ? are you running debian ? |
| 18:20.56 | ahmednitul | i wanna run |
| 18:20.57 | ahmednitul | debian |
| 18:20.57 | ahmednitul | then ? |
| 18:21.00 | ahmednitul | under windows |
| 18:21.06 | ahmednitul | any emulator ? |
| 18:21.08 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 18:21.08 | MoDaX | utab: upload /var/log/kern.log to |
| 18:21.08 | dpkg | methinks colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC ... |
| 18:21.09 | JohnLenin | VMWare |
| 18:21.10 | hark | ahmednitul: colinux |
| 18:21.11 | JohnLenin | Bochs |
| 18:21.15 | MoDaX | !pastebin |
| 18:21.16 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 18:21.29 | ahmednitul | checking |
| 18:21.31 | utab | MoDaX OK |
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| 18:22.07 | ahmednitul | it will work like primary ? |
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| 18:22.23 | abrotman | ahmednitul: ask them .. not us |
| 18:22.32 | AeonLibrarian | !shoot hark |
| 18:22.33 | Zweisteine | I'm sorry, this is the first time i use ircii. Was my message received? |
| 18:22.46 | abrotman | Zweisteine: yes |
| 18:22.53 | ahmednitul | oh |
| 18:22.53 | ahmednitul | ok |
| 18:22.54 | Zweisteine | ok |
| 18:22.58 | utab | MoDaX I even can not type during the untar |
| 18:23.09 | MoDaX | utab: ctrl+c that untar |
| 18:23.45 | jetscreamer | df -h too |
| 18:23.58 | jetscreamer | while the untar |
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| 18:25.15 | PIRATE | after reinstalling samba on my debian server and using the same configfile it doesnt seem to accept any connections, could nayone help me troubleshoot that? |
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| 18:26.19 | PIRATE | the samba channal doesnt offer me any help couse everyone is quite |
| 18:26.37 | MoDaX | PIRATE: smbclient -L localhost |
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| 18:26.48 | MoDaX | PIRATE: do you get anything? |
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| 18:27.27 | PIRATE | the standerd windows cannot connect: busy or offline thing |
| 18:27.43 | PIRATE | all i get |
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| 18:27.59 | PIRATE | oops, hold on |
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| 18:28.11 | JohnLenin | OK, I've figured out I should use reportbug, but after I enter the package name that I want to submit I get "Checking status database" and then, after a few seconds, it dies with just the message "Killed". Anyone got any idea what's going on? |
| 18:28.12 | *** part/#debian joeamined (n=joeamine@196.203.165.90) |
| 18:28.39 | k31th | any ideas how i can extract an image from a pdf |
| 18:28.40 | MoDaX | JohnLenin: lack of free memory? |
| 18:28.41 | PIRATE | timeout connecting to 127.0.0.1:445 |
| 18:28.48 | PIRATE | thats what i get |
| 18:29.04 | JohnLenin | possibly, modax |
| 18:29.09 | JohnLenin | i'll close a few things and try again |
| 18:29.28 | MoDaX | PIRATE: ps aux | grep -e '\(smbd\|nmbd\)' |
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| 18:30.02 | jetscreamer | k31th: maybe xpdf, i know it can copy text using ocr or something |
| 18:30.03 | PIRATE | smbd is not running, nmbd is |
| 18:30.11 | JohnLenin | MoDaX: top gets 145000kb free memory :| |
| 18:30.12 | JohnLenin | how odd |
| 18:30.21 | PIRATE | it doesnt start either if i restart it trough initd |
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| 18:31.03 | MoDaX | PIRATE: try smbd -F |
| 18:31.04 | PIRATE | but it does apear to be running O_o |
| 18:31.04 | PIRATE | Unknown01NL:/etc/samba# ps aux | grep -e '\(smbd\|nmbd\)' |
| 18:31.05 | PIRATE | root 2534 0.0 0.5 8192 2572 ? S Jan04 0:00 /usr/sbin/smbd -D |
| 18:31.05 | PIRATE | root 7706 0.0 0.4 5940 1932 ? Ss 19:42 0:00 /usr/sbin/nmbd -D |
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| 18:31.27 | dvs | !tell PIRATE -about flood |
| 18:31.30 | JohnLenin | thing is, I'm completely confused here...I have my package all made up and ready to go, just needs to be sent off |
| 18:31.34 | PIRATE | sorry, you were saying? |
| 18:31.46 | snowbird | u flodded |
| 18:31.51 | PIRATE | iu know sorry |
| 18:32.08 | utab | MoDaX it is very strange, pastebin is http://pastebin.ca/309465 |
| 18:32.33 | MoDaX | PIRATE: netstat -ap | grep smbd |
| 18:33.03 | craigevil | k31th: pdfimages which is part of poopler-utils will let you extract pdf images |
| 18:33.04 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about u |
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| 18:33.49 | snowbird | sory |
| 18:34.34 | PIRATE | MoDax: unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 7038 2534/smbd |
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| 18:35.59 | k31th | craigevil: cheers |
| 18:36.03 | JohnLenin | OK, this is weird...I was choosing "Intent To Package" via bugreport, which got it killed, but now I've chosen to orphan the package it comes up with nano and allows me to edit details...wtf? |
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| 18:36.44 | MoDaX | PIRATE: and is that it? |
| 18:36.55 | PIRATE | thats all |
| 18:37.26 | utab | MoDaX: could you check my output |
| 18:37.27 | MoDaX | PIRATE: your config is messed up. check again |
| 18:37.47 | PIRATE | hold on, i'll pastebin it |
| 18:38.24 | MoDaX | utab: has it always been slow while copying data from cd? |
| 18:38.47 | utab | MoDaX I have installed Debian on my laptop today |
| 18:39.02 | utab | MoDaX : so no comparison |
| 18:39.07 | snowbird | sweet |
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| 18:39.28 | utab | but on this historic desktop it was faster even on network |
| 18:39.34 | PIRATE | MoDax: http://pastebin.com/853632 |
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| 18:39.51 | snowbird | old pc less than a gig cpu |
| 18:39.57 | MoDaX | utab: ok, post `lsmod` output to pastebin |
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| 18:41.13 | olskolirc | mannnn this upgrade is taking forever! |
| 18:41.16 | PIRATE | MoDaX, its custom one. its work for about 2 years |
| 18:41.18 | utab | MoDaX: what did you check on the kern.log |
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| 18:41.34 | dvs | olskolirc: what upgrade? |
| 18:41.35 | utab | MoDaX and what are you going to check on lsmod |
| 18:41.35 | olskolirc | its been almost two hours now and its still downloading |
| 18:41.44 | olskolirc | from sarge to etch dvs |
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| 18:42.02 | MoDaX | utab: specific module for your ide controller |
| 18:42.06 | dvs | olskolirc: O I C |
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| 18:42.20 | utab | MoDaX is that ok on kern.log |
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| 18:42.28 | MoDaX | utab: it needs to be loaded *before* ide-generic |
| 18:43.21 | MoDaX | utab: no, I couldn't find it there. btw, I recommend you to upgrade to 2.6 kernel |
| 18:43.36 | MoDaX | utab: is your laptop new? |
| 18:43.43 | Pc_Dark | is there an easy way to install mod_perl2 |
| 18:43.48 | Pc_Dark | because I tried apt-get |
| 18:43.52 | Pc_Dark | but it won't appear on a2enmod |
| 18:43.55 | MoDaX | that's how old is hardware |
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| 18:44.25 | MoDaX | PIRATE: weird |
| 18:44.25 | utab | MoDaX : http://pastebin.ca/309474 |
| 18:44.30 | utab | MoDaX : it is a Dell latitude d610 from 2005 |
| 18:44.58 | utab | MoDaX how to upgrade the kernel btw |
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| 18:45.22 | MoDaX | utab: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
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| 18:45.45 | sam_uk | can anyone help me to get jack to start? this is the error; http://pastebin.ca/309475 |
| 18:46.04 | Pc_Dark | MoDaX: How do I add 'perl' to a2enmod |
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| 18:46.36 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: install appropriate package |
| 18:47.17 | abrotman | is jackd running ? |
| 18:47.18 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: I guess you need this one libapache2-mod-perl2 |
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| 18:47.29 | Mark_Iron | !make |
| 18:47.30 | dpkg | make: *** No rule to make target. Stop. See also Makefile |
| 18:47.47 | Mark_Iron | !tell Mark_Iron about make |
| 18:47.51 | raf256 | !make bill my bitch |
| 18:48.12 | Pc_Dark | I did install that |
| 18:48.15 | MoDaX | PIRATE: /etc/init.d/samba stop |
| 18:48.18 | dvs | Mark_Iron: /msg dpkg make |
| 18:48.26 | MoDaX | PIRATE: and try starting smbd manually |
| 18:48.29 | Pc_Dark | I did apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 18:48.31 | MoDaX | PIRATE: smbd -F |
| 18:48.31 | Mark_Iron | tnx ! @ dvs |
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| 18:49.56 | Pc_Dark | there we go |
| 18:49.59 | Pc_Dark | I had to purge it and reinstall |
| 18:50.22 | utab | MoDaX, what could be the reason of this problem |
| 18:51.00 | MoDaX | utab: maybe 2.4.27 does not support your hadware well |
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| 18:51.13 | MoDaX | utab: upgrade to a new kernel and reboot. then we will see |
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| 18:51.44 | utab | MoDaX: hmm thx I will try later will you be around lets say one hour later |
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| 18:52.22 | MoDaX | utab: ping me |
| 18:52.30 | runa | hi i am trying to upgrade from stable to testing but i couldnt can sb give me his working source list |
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| 18:52.46 | utab | MoDaX thx I will |
| 18:52.56 | centrx | wow, I actually found a computer running NetBus |
| 18:54.15 | dvs | runa: just change "stable" to "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:54.45 | runa | it does not work |
| 18:54.59 | dvs | runa: did you run apt-get update afterwards? |
| 18:55.25 | runa | yes it says that there is not such a public key |
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| 18:57.00 | dvs | runa: that doesn't stop the upgrade |
| 18:57.08 | aitherios | runa: this will not interfere with update |
| 18:57.20 | ilyak | Why can't I apt-get cvs? |
| 18:57.38 | dvs | ilyak: apt-cache search cvs |
| 18:57.39 | ilyak | It tells me about update-inetd dependence, but that package can't be installed |
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| 18:58.04 | HardDisk_WP | hello |
| 18:58.07 | MoDaX | ilyak: try aptitude install cvs |
| 18:58.17 | HardDisk_WP | my ipod wont connect to debian anymore |
| 18:58.19 | HardDisk_WP | usb 3-5.3: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 24 |
| 18:58.21 | HardDisk_WP | usb 3-5.3: device not accepting address 24, error -32 |
| 18:58.22 | runa | aitherios is that not a problem? what is that for? |
| 18:58.47 | aitherios | package auth |
| 18:59.39 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: since when? |
| 18:59.43 | sam_uk | abrotman: i thought that you started jackd with qjackctl? |
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| 18:59.50 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, since half an hour |
| 18:59.56 | craigevil | runa the update should pull in the new keys |
| 18:59.57 | abrotman | sam_uk: your paste indicates it is crashing |
| 18:59.59 | ilyak | MoDaX: Thanx, that worked |
| 19:00.08 | MatBoy | which packages do I need for xfce to install it properly ? |
| 19:00.12 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, this error happened before, but rebooting debian helped. this time not |
| 19:00.21 | dvs | !xfce |
| 19:00.22 | dpkg | it has been said that xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 19:00.28 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: I suspect hardware problem |
| 19:00.28 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, but the iPod works on windows (it registers as normal mass sotrage) |
| 19:00.32 | Zta | When I mount my nfs4 mount point from my client, I get: Warning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running. All uids will be mapped to the nobody uid. However, rpc.idmapd is running both on the client and server. |
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| 19:00.38 | MatBoy | ok thanks ! |
| 19:00.39 | Zta | Which one of the rpc.imapd's is it that cannot be found? The client's or the server's? Are they both suppose to be running? |
| 19:00.40 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: hmm |
| 19:00.46 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, ipod or computer prob? |
| 19:01.04 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: device not accepting address 24, error -32 |
| 19:01.13 | MoDaX | tell something about device |
| 19:01.17 | MoDaX | tells* |
| 19:01.22 | HardDisk_WP | damned. |
| 19:01.33 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: replug it a few times |
| 19:01.37 | HardDisk_WP | well, i did a apt-get upgrade before this happened |
| 19:01.51 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: and what was upgraded? |
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| 19:02.03 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, mainly kde stuff |
| 19:02.09 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, i run etch |
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| 19:02.53 | HardDisk_WP | usb 3-5.3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 29 |
| 19:02.54 | HardDisk_WP | usb 3-5.3: device descriptor read/all, error -71 |
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| 19:02.54 | HardDisk_WP | hub 3-5:1.0: Cannot enable port 3. Maybe the USB cable is bad? |
| 19:02.55 | *** kick/#debian [HardDisk_WP!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 19:03.00 | HardDisk_WP | usb 3-5.3: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 33 |
| 19:03.01 | HardDisk_WP | usb 3-5.3: device descriptor read/64, error -32 |
| 19:03.02 | HardDisk_WP | :-p |
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| 19:03.09 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: stop pasting in here |
| 19:03.12 | HardDisk_WP | !paste |
| 19:03.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:03.30 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, http://paste.debian.net/19650 |
| 19:04.02 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: err, maybe your usb cable is too long? |
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| 19:04.21 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: replug to other usb port |
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| 19:04.54 | HardDisk_WP | MoDaX, strange. |
| 19:05.03 | HardDisk_WP | it works now but i had to unplug my mouse :-p |
| 19:06.09 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: so what happens if you plug in your mouse now? |
| 19:06.19 | MoDaX | while ipod is plugged |
| 19:06.35 | HardDisk_WP | works both |
| 19:06.37 | HardDisk_WP | strange! |
| 19:06.49 | HardDisk_WP | even stranger: |
| 19:06.53 | MoDaX | HardDisk_WP: I really believe it's some kind of hardware bug |
| 19:06.56 | HardDisk_WP | now it works on all usb hubs |
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| 19:08.36 | MatBoy | !remove gnome |
| 19:08.36 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 19:08.42 | MatBoy | !gnome remove |
| 19:09.13 | *** part/#debian keith (n=keith@keithsudbury.co.uk) |
| 19:09.15 | abrotman | msg the bot ? |
| 19:10.26 | MatBoy | abrotman, everyone does it sometimes |
| 19:10.44 | MatBoy | see the message from <dunno who> about xfce |
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| 19:11.40 | MoDaX | is there any way to tell dpkg to say something to a person, but in the channel? like nick: <the message> |
| 19:12.01 | MatBoy | MoDaX, /msg <name> about foo |
| 19:12.09 | MatBoy | or !tell |
| 19:12.19 | MatBoy | no it was tell |
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| 19:12.26 | MatBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.29 | MoDaX | MatBoy: not personally, but in the channel |
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| 19:12.51 | MatBoy | tell |
| 19:13.04 | MatBoy | !tell MoDaX about sarge |
| 19:13.07 | MatBoy | mhh |
| 19:13.13 | MatBoy | it was possible |
| 19:13.16 | New2Debian | Hello. I just intalled debian in a vmware session and insalled x. I am not able to get x to execute when I type startx it chugs then dies aith a failed to initalize core devices message |
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| 19:13.37 | MoDaX | MatBoy: no, it sent me a private message |
| 19:13.44 | MatBoy | I aw it |
| 19:13.46 | MatBoy | saw |
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| 19:16.56 | hark | !zoo MoDaX |
| 19:17.32 | MoDaX | !sarge MoDaX |
| 19:17.36 | MoDaX | heh |
| 19:18.56 | hark | New2Debian: what else does it say? |
| 19:19.33 | New2Debian | Hak`M No core pointer |
| 19:19.52 | New2Debian | looks like it can't find the mouse |
| 19:20.12 | hark | New2Debian: installing etch? |
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| 19:20.19 | magic_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:20.19 | Nazcafan | hi again |
| 19:20.25 | stoned | hola |
| 19:20.38 | dvs | bonjour! |
| 19:20.40 | dooglus | a day or two ago all my GNOME panel applets died, and I've been unable to add them back to the panel. (this is on unstable). which package is this likely to be reported under? |
| 19:20.44 | New2Debian | what's etch? |
| 19:20.45 | magic_stone | :) |
| 19:20.55 | stoned | !etch |
| 19:20.56 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 19:21.23 | New2Debian | uname -a shows 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 19:22.01 | hark | !tell New2Debian about drxx |
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| 19:22.54 | MoDaX | dooglus: try to determine which upgrade caused this |
| 19:22.57 | dvs | New2Debian: if this is a new install, I'd advice getting a 2.6 kernel\ |
| 19:23.18 | dooglus | MoDaX: I don't remember even whether it was yesterday or the day before. |
| 19:23.20 | janttsu | cups is asking the root password but i don't have root account active.. any ideas? how can i change the cups account? |
| 19:23.35 | dooglus | MoDaX: whatever applet I try to add, I see "The panel encountered a problem while loading ..." |
| 19:23.47 | MoDaX | dooglus: /var/log/dpkg.log check for something gnome related |
| 19:23.47 | blondie | janttsu: why dont you have it active? |
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| 19:24.16 | janttsu | blondie: i don't want it. i use sudo :) |
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| 19:24.31 | blondie | janttsu: this isn't #ubuntu |
| 19:24.35 | janttsu | :D |
| 19:24.42 | hark | heh |
| 19:25.03 | janttsu | blondie: why is there an option to leave root account away in the debian-installer then? ;) |
| 19:25.13 | New2Debian | dvs when I installed I chose linux26 which I thought would give me a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:25.20 | blondie | what are you going to do when your system wont boot and it asks for root password |
| 19:25.20 | dooglus | MoDaX: could "2007-01-07 01:07:49 status installed python-gnome2 2.12.4-6" be responsible? I don't know whether GNOME uses Python or not |
| 19:25.23 | blondie | ? |
| 19:25.26 | dvs | New2Debian: it shoud have |
| 19:25.27 | hark | New2Debian: it would |
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| 19:25.32 | cast | blondie: this is #debian, where we customize things ;) |
| 19:25.38 | New2Debian | Should I try to install etch and blow away what I have? |
| 19:25.43 | blondie | cast: break things |
| 19:25.53 | blondie | disabling the root account completely is just asking for trouble |
| 19:25.53 | dvs | New2Debian: I would if you're using it for personal use |
| 19:26.10 | MoDaX | janttsu: it gives you an option |
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| 19:26.36 | janttsu | MoDaX: what option? |
| 19:26.40 | MoDaX | janttsu: create a root password with `passwd` |
| 19:26.51 | MoDaX | janttsu: to use sudo instead of su |
| 19:26.58 | MoDaX | janttsu: for daily tasks |
| 19:27.04 | blondie | the last time I installed there was no option to disable the root account |
| 19:27.15 | New2Debian | I will look into etch |
| 19:27.22 | janttsu | i'm using "sudo -i" sometimes |
| 19:27.33 | dvs | !topicsmite New2Debian |
| 19:27.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon New2Debian. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 19:27.59 | MoDaX | dooglus: try downgrading it |
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| 19:28.30 | MoDaX | dooglus: though I doubt it will help |
| 19:28.33 | janttsu | MoDaX: i use sudo for daily tasks yes, but i can't change the cups account |
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| 19:28.43 | hark | dvs: why the smite? |
| 19:28.47 | rhalff | what is an affordable sollution for remote powermanagement, or the ability to reboot remotely ? |
| 19:28.50 | Nazcafan | I have a scrolling issue with firefox on certain sites, most sites will work fine, but in some pages, like http://www.jeuxvideo.com/articles/0000/00007256-gottlieb-pinball-classics-test.htm, the mouse scrolling is way slower |
| 19:28.51 | MoDaX | janttsu: add your use to lpadmin |
| 19:28.58 | MoDaX | janttsu: group |
| 19:29.03 | dvs | hark: it's more fun that way. ;-) |
| 19:29.12 | christopher_l | how do I change file permissions? |
| 19:29.15 | MoDaX | janttsu: so it will be essentially the same as root for cups |
| 19:29.17 | dooglus | MoDaX: I found it. "gnome-applets" wasn't installed! |
| 19:29.20 | Nazcafan | I don't know if I have something wrong settings |
| 19:29.24 | abrotman | chmod |
| 19:29.27 | abrotman | christopher_l: why ? |
| 19:29.30 | janttsu | MoDaX: thanks! |
| 19:29.35 | janttsu | that worked |
| 19:29.44 | base3 | to setup the x server again like i failed to do during installation is likely to be what, dpkg reconfigure x-window-system ?? |
| 19:29.55 | hark | !drxx |
| 19:29.56 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 19:30.04 | christopher_l | abrotman: I want to make a file only accessibly with root |
| 19:30.12 | abrotman | chmod |
| 19:30.20 | base3 | thanx hark, dpkg |
| 19:30.21 | hark | !tell christopher_l about chmod |
| 19:30.21 | dpkg | pas de quoi, base3 |
| 19:30.29 | dooglus | christopher_l: chown root:root file; chmod 600 file |
| 19:32.14 | olskolirc | ok fellas all packaged downloaded (upgrading from stable to etch) but nothing installed - where are they so i can do a dp |
| 19:32.23 | olskolirc | dpkg -i *deb |
| 19:32.24 | dpkg | package *deb is already installed |
| 19:32.33 | olskolirc | dang |
| 19:32.43 | stoned | lol |
| 19:33.03 | MoDaX | olskolirc: aptitutde dist-upgrade |
| 19:33.08 | olskolirc | ok |
| 19:33.25 | stoned | I love Xming |
| 19:33.41 | MoDaX | olskolirc: don't mess up with dpkg manually for such big upgrades |
| 19:33.47 | olskolirc | MoDaX i just did that and it all downloaded except one but nothing installed |
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| 19:33.58 | olskolirc | ok |
| 19:34.09 | olskolirc | i tried to burn etch to a disk and it won't let me |
| 19:34.13 | olskolirc | its not bootable |
| 19:34.14 | snowbird | when u create partions should there be unallocated space |
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| 19:34.16 | MoDaX | olskolirc: what's the error? |
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| 19:34.30 | dvs | olskolirc: burn the .iso as an image and not a file |
| 19:34.31 | MoDaX | snowbird: indeed |
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| 19:34.41 | olskolirc | libgucharmap didn't install to do a --fix-missing |
| 19:34.51 | olskolirc | apt-get --fix-missing |
| 19:34.54 | snowbird | cause i got partion then unallocated space |
| 19:35.23 | snowbird | can i remove unallocated s |
| 19:35.33 | MoDaX | snowbird: your partionion can take up all unallocated space |
| 19:35.40 | snowbird | right |
| 19:35.41 | olskolirc | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:35.41 | olskolirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.41 | olskolirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.42 | MoDaX | snowbird: expand partition |
| 19:35.49 | olskolirc | too much |
| 19:35.49 | snowbird | i got xtra space |
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| 19:36.03 | snowbird | non allocated out side of partions |
| 19:36.28 | olskolirc | i still see my kde 3.3 |
| 19:36.28 | snowbird | il try that |
| 19:36.28 | olskolirc | supposed to be 4 |
| 19:36.28 | MoDaX | snowbird: or create a new partition in unallocated space |
| 19:36.34 | MoDaX | olskolirc: kde 3.5.5 |
| 19:36.48 | MoDaX | olskolirc: use aptitude dist-upgrade not apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:36.57 | DiamonD | Hi |
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| 19:37.03 | DiamonD | i have a problem |
| 19:37.10 | Supaplex | sounds personal |
| 19:37.17 | linux_user400354 | Whats the difference between a 3d card and a vga card? |
| 19:37.23 | snowbird | cant seem to acsess un alocated sapce |
| 19:37.27 | Supaplex | !tell DiamonD -about ask |
| 19:37.31 | olskolirc | i did MoDaX |
| 19:37.32 | pumpkin0 | DiamonD: most people have at least one... |
| 19:37.48 | DiamonD | well ok :) |
| 19:37.57 | olskolirc | it says i have umet dependencies |
| 19:38.05 | olskolirc | on two files |
| 19:38.05 | MoDaX | olskolirc: upload your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin |
| 19:38.05 | pumpkin0 | linux_user400354: 3D cards do OpenGL in hardware, VGA are gone a long time ago. |
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| 19:38.11 | dvs | olskolirc: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:38.18 | olskolirc | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:38.18 | olskolirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.18 | olskolirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.21 | DiamonD | mabey i am not @ the right place but mabey you guys know |
| 19:38.30 | Supaplex | !tell olskolirc -about paste |
| 19:38.39 | olskolirc | i don't have nothing to paste |
| 19:38.42 | Pc_Dark | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.42 | Pc_Dark | |
| 19:38.43 | olskolirc | that was all of it |
| 19:38.43 | DiamonD | i get constanlty a mail from root |
| 19:38.45 | Pc_Dark | how do i fix that |
| 19:38.53 | blondie | olskolirc: so you do have something to paste |
| 19:38.57 | DiamonD | wait i paste everything in pastebin |
| 19:39.08 | dvs | Pc_Dark: you installed another version of apache instead of the prefork version |
| 19:39.09 | Supaplex | olskolirc: but you just pasted into the channel |
| 19:39.17 | olskolirc | so there it is |
| 19:39.25 | blondie | Supaplex: he was using double negatives! |
| 19:39.30 | olskolirc | not worth going through all the web trouble when its all right there |
| 19:39.30 | Pc_Dark | ummm |
| 19:39.32 | Pc_Dark | what do i do |
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| 19:39.42 | blondie | Pc_Dark: eat cakes |
| 19:39.44 | Pc_Dark | ... |
| 19:39.48 | olskolirc | libfam0 frpblem |
| 19:39.50 | dvs | Pc_Dark: either install the prefork version of you can't use that package |
| 19:39.51 | Supaplex | blondie: oh yeah :) hehe |
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| 19:39.58 | olskolirc | problem |
| 19:40.00 | Pc_Dark | dang, i tried apt-get install apache2 |
| 19:40.03 | MoDaX | olskolirc: upload your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin |
| 19:40.13 | olskolirc | ok |
| 19:40.47 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: use aptitude instead of apt-get. it's smarter |
| 19:41.00 | dvs | MoDaX: Pc_Dark is gone |
| 19:41.07 | MoDaX | damn quick |
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| 19:41.19 | Pc_Dark | stupid wine |
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| 19:41.28 | olskolirc | whats pattebin address again |
| 19:41.30 | Pc_Dark | is it possible to reinstall apache w/o losing my mods |
| 19:41.37 | dvs | olskolirc: pastebin.ca |
| 19:41.39 | MoDaX | !tell olskolirc about pastebin |
| 19:41.44 | Pc_Dark | Because I have ruby, python, and perl installed |
| 19:41.54 | jetscreamer | !botsex |
| 19:41.55 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
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| 19:42.08 | sam_uk | jack complains that another process is using hd0 I have no idea what it is, how can i find out? this is the error http://pastebin.ca/309522 |
| 19:42.14 | abrotman | when did tha thappen ? |
| 19:42.18 | jetscreamer | jack? |
| 19:42.19 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: apt-get install --reinstall apache ... |
| 19:42.20 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: aptitude reinstall apache2 |
| 19:42.31 | Pc_Dark | will it keep my mods? |
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| 19:42.39 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: yes |
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| 19:43.07 | DiamonD | well |
| 19:43.08 | jetscreamer | you sure you don't mean hw0 sam_uk ? |
| 19:43.10 | DiamonD | this is my erro |
| 19:43.11 | dvs | Pc_Dark: apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 19:43.11 | DiamonD | http://pastebin.ca/309525 |
| 19:43.22 | sam_uk | yeah that's what i mean |
| 19:43.23 | DiamonD | anyone knows what is means ? |
| 19:43.43 | snowbird | modax ok now what? |
| 19:43.46 | jetscreamer | something else is using the speaker channel, pcm,something likethat |
| 19:44.07 | MoDaX | snowbird: em? |
| 19:44.17 | sam_uk | jetscreamer how can i find out what it is? |
| 19:44.17 | DiamonD | i am getting about 50 mails a day with all the same msg |
| 19:44.26 | DiamonD | why is that ? |
| 19:44.32 | MoDaX | DiamonD: ls -l /var/run/sendmail/msp |
| 19:44.39 | jetscreamer | sam_uk: not sure, look for sound like things in top or something |
| 19:44.40 | dooglus | DiamonD: 'is' is the 3rd person conjugation of 'to be' |
| 19:44.45 | jetscreamer | sound-like |
| 19:44.54 | cmo-0 | i'm trying to compile the kernel version 2.6.17 but when i boot with it i get a kernel panic where VFS is complaining about being unable to mount root file (note: 1) ext3, ext2 and Ram disks supports are built into the kernel 2) I've also created an initred.img file with mkinitrd in /boot dir) |
| 19:45.09 | jetscreamer | cramfs |
| 19:45.10 | davi | What are those 2007-01-05-2006.24.pdiff files ? |
| 19:45.24 | jetscreamer | davi: a bad implementation of a good idea |
| 19:45.38 | davi | jetscreamer, interesting :) |
| 19:45.39 | dooglus | davi: they're updates to the package lists, rather than having to download a whole new package list. like a patch if you like |
| 19:45.47 | dvs | cmo-0: you must add the ext2 filesystem and your IDE controller in your kernel and not as a module |
| 19:45.53 | MoDaX | jetscreamer: what's wrong with it? |
| 19:46.00 | DiamonD | MoDaX : there is no dir calls like that |
| 19:46.01 | jetscreamer | but if you go for a long time d/l'ing the .pdiff's takes longer,and you have no choice |
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| 19:46.09 | jetscreamer | that's what's wrong |
| 19:46.11 | davi | dooglus, cool |
| 19:46.17 | MoDaX | DiamonD: create it |
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| 19:46.36 | jetscreamer | long time since last update i mean |
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| 19:46.54 | Pc_Dark | grr |
| 19:46.58 | jetscreamer | it should somehow be optional |
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| 19:46.58 | DiamonD | ok |
| 19:46.58 | MoDaX | jetscreamer: you have |
| 19:46.58 | DiamonD | :) |
| 19:47.06 | jetscreamer | yeah been there |
| 19:47.07 | TurboLover | hi, is freespire any less broken than mandriva? |
| 19:47.11 | Pc_Dark | darnit |
| 19:47.16 | MoDaX | jetscreamer: ctrl+c apt-get update |
| 19:47.18 | Pc_Dark | it wouldn't replace my php.ini config file |
| 19:47.21 | jetscreamer | TurboLover: maybe |
| 19:47.24 | Pc_Dark | I wish I could install this stupid php5 |
| 19:47.26 | davi | jetscreamer, if it is a long time since your last update it will not better neither worse. |
| 19:47.36 | jetscreamer | worng |
| 19:47.42 | MoDaX | jetscreamer: next it will download whole Packages files |
| 19:47.42 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 19:47.46 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:47.54 | davi | [OT]: Dunk tank was a mistake ;) |
| 19:48.06 | dvs | davi: no #*% ! |
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| 19:48.21 | davi | dvs, I think it was |
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| 19:48.36 | olskolirc | ok here is my pastebin http://pastebin.ca/309532 |
| 19:48.38 | Pc_Dark | there we go |
| 19:48.38 | dvs | davi: I meant "no s**t"! |
| 19:48.39 | jetscreamer | i think he meant 'no shit sherlock' |
| 19:48.39 | snowbird | modox made it and deleated see if its still there |
| 19:48.43 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 19:49.06 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 19:49.06 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 19:49.16 | dvs | olskolirc: why do you have proposed updates? |
| 19:49.30 | cmo-0 | ext2 and ext3 are already in the kernel |
| 19:49.34 | olskolirc | what do you mean dvs |
| 19:49.46 | dvs | cmo-0: and the IDE controller |
| 19:49.47 | olskolirc | i was upgrading from sarge to etch and it didn't take |
| 19:49.49 | jetscreamer | it's nice that when the problem is over i can always go online and ask dpkg... a few months later... :) |
| 19:49.54 | dvs | olskolirc: the last line in sources.list |
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| 19:50.03 | dooglus | I was just sitting away from the computer, reading this window (in screen ctl-alt-f7) when it suddently switched to screen ctl-alt-f8 without me touching it! |
| 19:50.16 | olskolirc | dpkg told me to change everything sarge and stable to etch |
| 19:50.17 | cmo-0 | i just check all ata drivers |
| 19:50.26 | olskolirc | so i changed just those words and didn't take out no repositories |
| 19:50.31 | dvs | olskolirc: but why have proposed updates at all. |
| 19:50.33 | dvs | ? |
| 19:50.38 | digime | anyone recommend a good VPS run on debian????? |
| 19:50.40 | olskolirc | hey im new |
| 19:50.42 | olskolirc | i don't know |
| 19:50.49 | snowbird | dont know what to do ill try bbl thanks |
| 19:50.52 | olskolirc | take out proposed updates? |
| 19:50.57 | dvs | cmo-0: not a good idea. including only the ones you need? |
| 19:51.01 | MoDaX | olskolirc: remove proposed-updates line |
| 19:51.04 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: get a new keyboard. |
| 19:51.05 | dvs | olskolirc: yes |
| 19:51.12 | olskolirc | ok let me see |
| 19:51.13 | olskolirc | hold on |
| 19:51.16 | dooglus | pumpkin0: it's a whole new laptop |
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| 19:51.32 | cmo-0 | i have an 80G segat harddisk |
| 19:51.34 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: well... |
| 19:51.37 | MoDaX | olskolirc: btw, that Failed to fetch stuff is not good |
| 19:51.38 | dooglus | pumpkin0: I don't think it accidentally pressed control, alt and f8 all at once... |
| 19:51.52 | olskolirc | ok i took it out |
| 19:51.57 | MoDaX | olskolirc: you have internet connection problems |
| 19:52.01 | olskolirc | i know :-( |
| 19:52.05 | dvs | olskolirc: aptitude update |
| 19:52.09 | olskolirc | comcast |
| 19:52.15 | olskolirc | ok dvs hold on |
| 19:52.34 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: i had one pressing tab and pageup at the same time ... |
| 19:52.46 | MoDaX | olskolirc: aptitude must fetch those packages for you to successfully proceed with upgrade |
| 19:52.48 | dooglus | I've asked this before, but never found an answer: this laptop has 3 speakers (left, right, woofer). the woofer doesn't work in Debian, but is fine in Windows. How can I fix it? |
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| 19:53.11 | abrotman | laptop ? |
| 19:53.13 | olskolirc | ok i did aptitude update and got errors |
| 19:53.15 | MoDaX | dooglus: unmute channel in mixer |
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| 19:53.32 | dvs | olskolirc: paste it in paster |
| 19:53.33 | olskolirc | ok MoDaX |
| 19:53.38 | olskolirc | ok |
| 19:53.49 | dooglus | MoDaX: curiously, in mixer, the only channel which shows up is "front", which I assume refers to the woofer, but it actually controls the regular left and right speakers |
| 19:54.07 | bkw | is it easier to setup exim than postfix with ecryption in debian? |
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| 19:54.41 | MoDaX | dooglus: check if alsa supports your card fully |
| 19:54.58 | MoDaX | dooglus: isn't it hda-intel ? |
| 19:55.24 | dooglus | MoDaX: yup: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:55.30 | olskolirc | here guys :-( http://pastebin.ca/309542 |
| 19:56.12 | MoDaX | olskolirc: you have duplicated security.debian.org in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:56.13 | dvs | olskolirc: yeah, security is in sources.list twice |
| 19:56.42 | MoDaX | dooglus: yeah, those card are problematic |
| 19:56.49 | MoDaX | cars* |
| 19:56.52 | MoDaX | cards* |
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| 19:56.58 | olskolirc | ohhh ok |
| 19:57.01 | olskolirc | brb |
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| 19:57.49 | olskolirc | take out the non free line or the regular? |
| 19:57.59 | dvs | olskolirc: nonfree |
| 19:58.02 | olskolirc | ok |
| 19:58.17 | dooglus | MoDaX: I see a lot of people having trouble getting them to work at all on google, but nobody with just 2 of the 3 speakers working |
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| 19:58.31 | utab | MoDaX: hi |
| 19:58.52 | MoDaX | utab: hi |
| 19:59.03 | williamham | I have a machine where adding user gives me useradd: cannot open shadow password file any suggestsions as to why and how to fix? |
| 19:59.18 | utab | MoDaX: when I upgraded my kernel the system did not open, now I used my older kernel to open that |
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| 19:59.31 | MoDaX | dooglus: check out snd-hda-intel module options |
| 19:59.56 | dooglus | MoDaX: I did try looking into that, but couldn't find any docs |
| 20:00.01 | Supaplex | williamham: check /etc for shadow and shadow- files. optionally use strace -e open -- <command> to see what files it's attempting to access. |
| 20:00.08 | h3sp4wn | Given the choice of booting with either 'noapic' or 'acpi=off' (cannot boot normally only with one of the other above) for a desktop am I best disabling acpi ? |
| 20:00.08 | utab | MoDaX: secondly my laptop does not cut power automatically on shutdown, what should I do for that |
| 20:00.38 | MoDaX | utab: you need a new kernel. what error did you get when booted 2.6.8? |
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| 20:01.02 | williamham | Supaplex thanks both shadow files exist I will try strace option now |
| 20:01.03 | dooglus | MoDaX: I just remembered - last time I looked I wasn't online... I'll try google, eh? |
| 20:01.17 | olskolirc | ok i took out the extra security line in sources.list apt-get update again |
| 20:01.29 | dvs | olskolirc: aptitude update |
| 20:01.33 | olskolirc | ok |
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| 20:01.44 | utab | MoDaX : I was at the university and left the note there but I remember that sth like "dev/console could not open no such file" |
| 20:02.01 | olskolirc | perfect |
| 20:02.03 | sam_uk | pumpkin0 i still dont have aiglx working.. the links from here suggest it is not possible http://forum.beryl-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1849 what made you think it would work? |
| 20:02.23 | olskolirc | do i have to start all over with the dist-upgrade? :-( |
| 20:02.33 | olskolirc | it took hours |
| 20:02.36 | dvs | olskolirc: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:02.36 | Supaplex | williamham: also, "-fo strace.log" will keep everything in a log for review. |
| 20:02.41 | olskolirc | ok |
| 20:02.44 | dvs | olskolirc: and yes... you have to start over |
| 20:03.01 | olskolirc | ok :-( |
| 20:03.07 | olskolirc | what about all the files it downloaded |
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| 20:03.13 | MoDaX | utab: I think it will better if you reinstall sarge with linux26 option. Or better yet, install etch |
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| 20:03.20 | olskolirc | will it skip them and start the install? |
| 20:03.21 | dvs | olskolirc: hopefully, they'll overlap |
| 20:03.30 | olskolirc | brb |
| 20:03.38 | dvs | olskolirc: right back? |
| 20:03.41 | dvs | :-> |
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| 20:03.51 | williamham | Supaplex looks like heapd of filesystem issues. reporting lots of no such file errors with perl |
| 20:03.52 | utab | MoDaX kidding |
| 20:03.59 | williamham | thanks for the tip I will keep a note if that |
| 20:04.01 | olskolirc | ok back to that ument dependencies error about the same two files |
| 20:04.03 | utab | MoDaX I spent nearly all my day |
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| 20:04.21 | olskolirc | http://pastebin.ca/309532 |
| 20:04.31 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 20:04.31 | dpkg | from memory, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 20:04.52 | abrotman | apt-get -f install ? |
| 20:05.01 | olskolirc | ok |
| 20:05.03 | MoDaX | utab: hmm, sarge will be oldstable very soon |
| 20:05.07 | utab | MoDaX: what is the problem, you think is |
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| 20:05.38 | MoDaX | utab: the kernel does not find your hard disk. it's compilated |
| 20:05.43 | MoDaX | complicated* |
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| 20:06.02 | olskolirc | here guys |
| 20:06.05 | olskolirc | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 873 not upgraded. |
| 20:06.06 | utab | MoDaX: cant I upgrade to etch |
| 20:06.13 | olskolirc | tahts all it said |
| 20:06.17 | MoDaX | utab: you can |
| 20:06.47 | utab | MoDaX : cant I use the kernel that etch is using |
| 20:06.55 | olskolirc | aptitude dist-upgrade gave me that ument problem again even after apt-get install -f |
| 20:07.13 | MoDaX | utab: no, until you upgrade to etch |
| 20:07.27 | MoDaX | olskolirc: fetch failures again? |
| 20:07.34 | olskolirc | strange how i can't get the etch iso that i burded to be bootable |
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| 20:07.54 | dvs | olskolirc: what was on the CD that your burned? |
| 20:07.56 | olskolirc | http://pastebin.ca/309532 |
| 20:08.02 | olskolirc | the same umpet problem |
| 20:08.21 | olskolirc | no i took out that line MoDaX in sources.list |
| 20:08.29 | utab | MoDaX: if I reinstall the system what was the option you have specified today I followed the steps I followed before but the computer I used before was an old one, not my laptop |
| 20:08.35 | dvs | olskolirc: dpkg -P libfam0c102 |
| 20:08.41 | olskolirc | says i have something installed that won't let me install the other |
| 20:08.44 | olskolirc | ok dvs |
| 20:09.20 | MoDaX | utab: etch has much better overall support for laptops |
| 20:09.39 | MoDaX | utab: when sarge install cd boots |
| 20:09.44 | MoDaX | utab: type linux26 |
| 20:09.50 | olskolirc | ewwww a whole list of software and says these softwares won't let me something o rother |
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| 20:09.55 | olskolirc | i know |
| 20:09.58 | olskolirc | back to pastebin |
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| 20:10.24 | utab | MoDaX: you mean on the first splash screen |
| 20:10.33 | MoDaX | utab: yes |
| 20:11.06 | utab | MoDaX: late night, bad news for the poor guy |
| 20:11.13 | MoDaX | utab: but I recommend you, go with etch |
| 20:11.27 | utab | MoDaX upgrade |
| 20:11.39 | olskolirc | noooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:11.41 | olskolirc | lmao |
| 20:11.44 | olskolirc | geezus |
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| 20:12.11 | olskolirc | http://pastebin.ca/309555 ok there is my new pastebin |
| 20:12.20 | MoDaX | utab: you can try upgrading if you want |
| 20:12.26 | olskolirc | what about that purge command |
| 20:12.42 | olskolirc | even if it does take out all of kde i'll get it back |
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| 20:13.05 | dvs | olskolirc: yeah, you can install it again. |
| 20:13.05 | utab | MoDaX: but you recommend a fresh install of etch |
| 20:13.12 | MoDaX | utab: yes |
| 20:13.25 | olskolirc | ok what am i purging |
| 20:13.40 | MoDaX | utab: but if you fast internet connection, trying upgrade won't hurt |
| 20:13.41 | utab | MoDaX : offff, anyway thx for the help |
| 20:13.53 | MoDaX | if you have* |
| 20:13.55 | dvs | olskolirc: everything that depends on libfam0c102 |
| 20:14.19 | utab | MoDaX: I will try that |
| 20:14.25 | MoDaX | olskolirc: do you still get "failed to fetch" errors? |
| 20:15.16 | olskolirc | oh i didn't try to fetch nothing else yet because it won't let me get paste libfam0c102 |
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| 20:16.03 | olskolirc | oh wait let me finish dpkg instructions |
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| 20:16.45 | MoDaX | olskolirc: apt-cache policy libfam0 |
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| 20:20.18 | olskolirc | ok here MoDaX http://pastebin.ca/309563 |
| 20:20.38 | olskolirc | i don't know what it means |
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| 20:21.15 | olskolirc | thats the file that wouldn't download and install |
| 20:21.24 | olskolirc | the two libfam0 files |
| 20:21.56 | Thor[away] | Eulex Ny-Ty remember me? |
| 20:22.00 | MoDaX | olskolirc: are you on kde now? |
| 20:22.02 | Thor[away] | i solved the problem |
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| 20:22.06 | olskolirc | yes |
| 20:22.23 | Eulex | Thor[away], I do, but I don't remember your problem |
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| 20:22.28 | stoned | I am using Xming + KDE 3.5.5 latest in Debian/sid with an exported KDM session over XDMCP. When I go to Kcontrol>Backgrounds and change stuff, the changes do not take effect. Is this because of using KDE over the network, or because there is a bug? I did not find anything on debian BTS. |
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| 20:22.35 | olskolirc | oh it wont come out because im using kde |
| 20:22.36 | stoned | Please advise if I should file a bug with KDE or Debian |
| 20:22.41 | MoDaX | olskolirc: no |
| 20:22.48 | olskolirc | go to gnome MoDaX |
| 20:22.50 | Thor[away] | Eulex my notebook that were impossible to enter in X |
| 20:22.55 | MoDaX | olskolirc: dpkg -P --force-all libfam0c102 |
| 20:23.00 | Eulex | Thor[away], oh, now I remember |
| 20:23.04 | MoDaX | olskolirc: beware, might crash your kde |
| 20:23.05 | olskolirc | ok |
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| 20:23.19 | Thor[away] | i have just run kurumin linux, a brazilian livecd debian-based linux, and i coppied the kernel |
| 20:23.29 | Thor[away] | and now my system is perfect |
| 20:23.35 | Eulex | oh |
| 20:23.35 | Thor[away] | thank you =) |
| 20:23.36 | Eulex | odd |
| 20:23.45 | olskolirc | it says its removing it MoDaX |
| 20:24.02 | MoDaX | olskolirc: yes, but that action was dangerous :) |
| 20:24.18 | MoDaX | olskolirc: now try aptitutde dist-upgrade |
| 20:24.25 | MoDaX | aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 20:24.29 | olskolirc | everything went well here is he last line: Purging configuration files for libfam0c102 ... |
| 20:24.29 | olskolirc | @ |
| 20:24.34 | olskolirc | oops |
| 20:24.35 | olskolirc | ok |
| 20:24.59 | MoDaX | olskolirc: don't restart your pc or log out of kde. kde won't load |
| 20:25.00 | magic_stone | i'm try to install the firefox 2 in my debian etch in one 64 bits processor and are asking me the file |
| 20:25.01 | magic_stone | libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
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| 20:25.09 | magic_stone | the problem is that libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 don`t exist |
| 20:25.23 | magic_stone | someone knows some ideia ho to resolve this ? |
| 20:25.25 | magic_stone | :\ |
| 20:25.45 | MoDaX | magic_stone: what's wrong with iceweasel? |
| 20:26.17 | magic_stone | MoDaX sorry ?! |
| 20:26.21 | magic_stone | :\ |
| 20:26.30 | MoDaX | !iceweasel |
| 20:26.30 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
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| 20:26.44 | olskolirc | ok its doing it and it showed some files that are recommended but won't be upgraded like abiword |
| 20:26.46 | magic_stone | :\ |
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| 20:26.58 | olskolirc | i copied all those file so that i can get them later. |
| 20:26.59 | MoDaX | olskolirc: cool |
| 20:27.01 | olskolirc | is that good? |
| 20:27.09 | dvs | olskolirc: no |
| 20:27.21 | MoDaX | olskolirc: don't log off until it finishes |
| 20:27.24 | olskolirc | ok don't install those recommended ones later |
| 20:27.27 | dvs | olskolirc: etch will have it's own version of abiword |
| 20:27.34 | olskolirc | ohhhh ok |
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| 20:27.42 | CaligoSpiritus | <why iceweasel> |
| 20:27.50 | CaligoSpiritus | !<why iceweasel> |
| 20:27.59 | olskolirc | so im getting everything i used to have only mine will all be etch now right? |
| 20:28.10 | dvs | olskolirc: right |
| 20:28.11 | MoDaX | !tell CaligoSpiritus about why iceweasel |
| 20:28.15 | olskolirc | cool |
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| 20:28.33 | dvs | heh |
| 20:28.54 | factotum | ugh, i could never quite get a hang of sundays...im back in the mon-fri life again |
| 20:29.31 | factotum | anyone have a good suggestion for a portible music player that isnt a friggin iPod? |
| 20:29.57 | dvs | factotum: I liked Rio but they're out of business now |
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| 20:30.10 | factotum | what, Rio is gone? |
| 20:30.15 | dvs | yup |
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| 20:30.26 | olskolirc | does this mean im starting over or its finishing |
| 20:30.28 | olskolirc | 741 packages upgraded, 397 newly installed, 146 to remove and 84 not upgraded. |
| 20:30.30 | factotum | darrrg. I was going to go either Rio or whatsitcalled iRiver maybe? |
| 20:30.32 | MoDaX | olskolirc: fyi, you encoutered http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405165 |
| 20:30.53 | Lethargy_4 | Iriver is a good brand |
| 20:30.57 | jetscreamer | dist-upgrade not good for you eh |
| 20:30.59 | olskolirc | i encountered a big? |
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| 20:31.00 | dvs | olskolirc: it's probably asking for confirmation for the upgrade |
| 20:31.02 | olskolirc | bug |
| 20:31.16 | MoDaX | olskolirc: yeah, with that fam thing |
| 20:31.16 | Lethargy_4 | I have an Iriver 795 for about 4 years got to love it, plays ogg. |
| 20:31.17 | olskolirc | after taht part |
| 20:31.24 | MoDaX | olskolirc: we solved it |
| 20:31.25 | olskolirc | ohhh |
| 20:31.43 | olskolirc | see my bash03 was white and i couldn't use internet unless i power cycled |
| 20:31.48 | olskolirc | how did i get that bug? |
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| 20:31.52 | magic_stone | firefox change the name? |
| 20:31.52 | magic_stone | lol |
| 20:31.53 | magic_stone | ops |
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| 20:31.55 | olskolirc | thanks MoDaX |
| 20:31.55 | magic_stone | :x |
| 20:31.59 | magic_stone | MoDaX i see thanks :) but is one suprise :\ and is strange :\ |
| 20:32.01 | magic_stone | alll this stuff |
| 20:32.11 | olskolirc | wait let me get that link |
| 20:32.27 | sid | Anyone know a good site with up to date cost per gig price comparisons for hard disk drives? |
| 20:32.40 | dvs | sid: tom's hardware? |
| 20:32.48 | sid | thanks dvs |
| 20:32.59 | MoDaX | olskolirc: is it upgrading now? |
| 20:33.02 | dvs | no prob |
| 20:33.09 | magic_stone | MoDaX don`t like iceweasel i think it is one wate of time |
| 20:33.17 | MoDaX | magic_stone: em? |
| 20:33.18 | olskolirc | yes MoDaX its chugging along |
| 20:33.31 | olskolirc | im excited |
| 20:33.35 | jetscreamer | wel don't use it |
| 20:33.36 | olskolirc | COMPIZZZZZZZZZZ HERE I COME |
| 20:33.38 | olskolirc | sorry |
| 20:33.59 | sid | dvs: Did they used to have one? I can't seem to find one anymore. |
| 20:34.04 | MoDaX | compiz is a toy and not stable |
| 20:34.05 | olskolirc | driving linux is like riding a mechanical bull |
| 20:34.18 | olskolirc | is that toy for etch? |
| 20:34.22 | Supaplex | with no saddle |
| 20:34.28 | olskolirc | thats why im getting etch :-( |
| 20:34.33 | olskolirc | say it is so lol |
| 20:34.53 | amphi | olskolirc: there are beryl packages for etch |
| 20:34.54 | MoDaX | olskolirc: yes, it is in etch (to play with) |
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| 20:34.56 | Seb | hello |
| 20:35.01 | jetscreamer | you have to compile debian for that feature |
| 20:35.09 | MoDaX | amphi: is beryl more stable? |
| 20:35.10 | Supaplex | olskolirc: have fun. we reserve the right to ignore support requests for anything but offical sarge. |
| 20:35.14 | jetscreamer | only takes about 2 weeks |
| 20:35.19 | olskolirc | im an eye candy girl or i lose interest in what im doing |
| 20:35.22 | Skiver | lol. |
| 20:35.32 | MoDaX | Supaplex: and etch/sid |
| 20:35.33 | amphi | MoDaX: seemed fairly stable - I only played with it briefly |
| 20:35.41 | olskolirc | hahaha understood Supaplex |
| 20:35.53 | olskolirc | my friend told me about beryl |
| 20:35.54 | Lethargy_4 | ouchie |
| 20:35.56 | Seb | german speakers, how do you say "to forward" in the context of emails ? |
| 20:36.03 | Supaplex | MoDaX: that falls under 'we reserve the right'. We might support it, but we won't babysit :) |
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| 20:36.23 | amphi | olskolirc: ask the #debian bot about beryl |
| 20:36.35 | MoDaX | Supaplex: sarge might be more difficult to support than etch |
| 20:36.37 | amphi | olskolirc: aiglx is in etch's xorg |
| 20:36.40 | dvs | sid: I found http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/12/08/pc-hard-drives-that-pack-more-power-for-less-dough/ |
| 20:36.40 | MoDaX | on new systems |
| 20:36.42 | olskolirc | i just did and dpkg didn't say nothing :-( |
| 20:36.55 | Supaplex | MoDaX: I agree. |
| 20:37.00 | olskolirc | yes, read about xgl |
| 20:37.10 | olskolirc | and xorg that i need to run it all |
| 20:37.15 | MoDaX | olskolirc: you don't need that xgl crap |
| 20:37.29 | MoDaX | aiglx is enough |
| 20:37.31 | olskolirc | so im going to have to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg right? |
| 20:37.40 | olskolirc | aiglx i never heard of |
| 20:37.40 | dvs | olskolirc: probably |
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| 20:37.44 | olskolirc | let me write that down too |
| 20:37.45 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c |
| 20:37.47 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:48:25: openssl/md5.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:37.49 | Ny-Ty | Thor[away] hi |
| 20:37.49 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c: In function `generate_random': |
| 20:37.51 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1014: error: `MD5_CTX' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 20:37.53 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1014: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 20:37.55 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1014: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 20:37.57 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1014: error: syntax error before "md5" |
| 20:37.59 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1046: warning: implicit declaration of function `MD5_Init' |
| 20:38.01 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1046: error: `md5' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 20:38.03 | dvs | Pc_Dark: stop pasting |
| 20:38.03 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1047: warning: implicit declaration of function `MD5_Update' |
| 20:38.05 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop.c:1048: warning: implicit declaration of function `MD5_Final' |
| 20:38.06 | Skiver | dvs, you need --> this http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128400-page,1/article.html |
| 20:38.07 | Pc_Dark | make: *** [rdesktop.o] Error 1 |
| 20:38.08 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: fllod |
| 20:38.09 | Pc_Dark | how do u fix thaat |
| 20:38.09 | Supaplex | !tell Pc_Dark -about paste |
| 20:38.11 | Pc_Dark | I'm trying to install RDesktop |
| 20:38.14 | Skiver | ??? |
| 20:38.15 | Pc_Dark | Sorry |
| 20:38.20 | samuel | MoDaX: how can you get beryl/compiz working on ATI cards if youve not got XGL? |
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| 20:38.23 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: install a package |
| 20:38.25 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: apt-get install it ... |
| 20:38.25 | amphi | olskolirc: you get a PM from the bot? |
| 20:38.30 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: why do you bother compiling it? |
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| 20:38.36 | olskolirc | RDesktop |
| 20:38.41 | amphi | samuel: aiglx |
| 20:38.42 | olskolirc | wow wth is that! |
| 20:38.51 | olskolirc | you guys keep me excited! |
| 20:38.54 | amphi | olskolirc: wth is what? |
| 20:38.55 | samuel | amphi: on an ATI card? |
| 20:39.04 | olskolirc | RDesktop |
| 20:39.17 | amphi | samuel: aiglx + beryl ran fine here on my old radeon |
| 20:39.19 | Supaplex | olskolirc: aptitude show rdesktop |
| 20:39.22 | olskolirc | someone say something stoopid like you need sarge for it and get smacked |
| 20:39.25 | Pc_Dark | can you apt-get install rdesktop ?? |
| 20:39.29 | olskolirc | ok |
| 20:39.35 | Pc_Dark | and why won't the make work though |
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| 20:39.36 | samuel | amphi: ive a rather new X1600 macbook |
| 20:39.55 | samuel | i read only xgl work |
| 20:39.56 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: you're missing build dependences |
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| 20:40.01 | jetscreamer | you need sarge for it |
| 20:40.03 | Pc_Dark | So what would I install |
| 20:40.15 | samuel | amphi: will opensource drivers work??? |
| 20:40.20 | amphi | samuel: no idea, I loll oon the trailing edge |
| 20:40.23 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: aptitude install rdesktop |
| 20:40.28 | factotum | im looking at a 500mHz ibook for about $300 on craigslist, does that seem reasonable? |
| 20:40.34 | Pc_Dark | I want to install the build's |
| 20:40.40 | amphi | samuel: the xorg radeon driver supports my old card |
| 20:40.48 | Pc_Dark | so I can install things |
| 20:40.54 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: any good reason for this? |
| 20:41.02 | Supaplex | factotum: yea, but they're a touch slow. try 900 or better. |
| 20:41.11 | petemc | factotum: that would be a fairly slow machine |
| 20:41.12 | Pc_Dark | Yeah, i want a linux computer that I can install things on without aptitude/apt-get |
| 20:41.12 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: every package need different build dependences |
| 20:41.22 | Pc_Dark | Well I'd like to isntall them all |
| 20:41.26 | Pc_Dark | or a fair amount |
| 20:41.38 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: selfmade compiles are the best way to kill a debian box quickly. You sure ? |
| 20:41.40 | samuel | amphi: i never thought about trying aiglx... i guess opensource drivers could work... ati drivers? |
| 20:41.44 | factotum | even with a stable install using something like fluxbox? |
| 20:41.51 | Pc_Dark | yes I'm sure pumpkin |
| 20:42.00 | amphi | samuel: I have no idea about your card |
| 20:42.04 | MoDaX | samuel: no. x1600 works only with fglrx |
| 20:42.10 | factotum | i would like something just for a portible swiss army knife more or less. Minimal and practical |
| 20:42.14 | dvs | Pc_Dark: and we can't help you if you do compile yourself |
| 20:42.15 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 20:42.15 | amphi | !tell samuel about laptop |
| 20:42.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about ... |
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| 20:42.19 | novata_peleona | hi... |
| 20:42.37 | Pc_Dark | rdesktop isn't in aptitude OR apt-get |
| 20:42.44 | Pc_Dark | wait |
| 20:42.45 | pumpkin0 | Pc_Dark: then you do not need support from here. Selfcompilers are usually very well aware of the steps needed. |
| 20:42.48 | Pc_Dark | i am using wrong sources |
| 20:43.02 | Pc_Dark | No I'd really like to know what builds I need to install |
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| 20:43.15 | novata_peleona | how to mount a iso file from hd ? I am trying mount discografica_tracy_chapman.iso tracy_chapman/ -o loop but it requires me type |
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| 20:43.47 | factotum | ah well, im on a 800 mHz g4 right now, runs os 10.3 pretty well if i didnt open anything adobe related then it would griiind down. Deb is quite perky on the other hand |
| 20:43.56 | jetscreamer | novata_peleona: sudo mount -t auto -o loop /path/to/image.iso /path/to/mount |
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| 20:44.16 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: apt-get build-dep rdekstop |
| 20:44.16 | pumpkin0 | novata_peleona: run "file discografica_tracy_chapman.iso" (see the iso9660-note ?) and add the parameter -t iso9660 |
| 20:44.18 | amphi | novata_peleona: -t iso9660 |
| 20:44.31 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: but this won't work if the package is not in debian repos |
| 20:44.34 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 20:44.37 | factotum | seems like a lot of kids are ditching their ppc boxes left and right |
| 20:44.49 | jetscreamer | -t auto or -t iso9660 |
| 20:44.56 | factotum | i would love a dual quad g5 anytime though |
| 20:45.02 | novata_peleona | pumpkin0, ig i add -t iso9660 it looks for in cdrom |
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| 20:45.23 | Pc_Dark | thanks modax |
| 20:45.24 | novata_peleona | mount -t auto discografica_tracy_chapman.iso tracy_chapman/ -o loop |
| 20:45.24 | novata_peleona | mount: debe especificar el tipo de sistema de ficheros |
| 20:45.25 | Pc_Dark | anyways |
| 20:45.27 | Pc_Dark | i have it installed now |
| 20:45.30 | Pc_Dark | Where do I find it |
| 20:45.35 | Pc_Dark | so i can drag it out to gnome desktop lol |
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| 20:45.47 | samuel | has anyone had any luck getting Xgl working on amd64??? |
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| 20:45.53 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: there is a gnome frontend for it |
| 20:45.59 | pumpkin0 | novata_peleona: no. "mount -o loop -t iso9660 discografica_tracy_chapman.iso tracy_chapman" will mount the iso, not the cdrom. |
| 20:46.01 | jetscreamer | that translates to ' you must specify filesystem type' btw you non spanish ppl |
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| 20:46.06 | CaligoSpiritus | novata_peleona: mount -o loop -t iso9660 isofile isodir |
| 20:46.11 | Pc_Dark | ? what do you mean by that |
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| 20:46.40 | olskolirc | should man and mandb be installed 'setuid man'? |
| 20:46.47 | olskolirc | its makeing me do debconf |
| 20:46.56 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: grcm or grdesktop |
| 20:47.05 | novata_peleona | mount: tipo de sistema de ficheros incorrecto, opción incorrecta tail -f /var/log/syslog--->Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 20:47.07 | Skiver | samuel, http://www5.autistici.org/debian-xgl/ |
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| 20:47.47 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: rdesktop can be controled via command line only |
| 20:47.49 | samuel | Skiver: doesnt seem to work for me, ive Xgl server installed and it "seems" to start but all i ever see is a checkered screen and mouse |
| 20:48.07 | pumpkin0 | novata_peleona: and "file discografica_tracy_chapman.iso" says ? |
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| 20:48.15 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: I mean username, password, host to connect to |
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| 20:48.55 | Pc_Dark | ok worked thanks modax |
| 20:48.56 | MoDaX | Pc_Dark: frontends provide nice interface for rdesktop options |
| 20:48.57 | ghatak | Hi, i am banned when i try to connect from work |
| 20:49.04 | ghatak | can i ask why ? |
| 20:49.13 | Pc_Dark | I installed with apt-get install rdesktop grdesktop |
| 20:49.19 | novata_peleona | pumpkin0, wgat you wanna say? |
| 20:49.20 | Pc_Dark | and it works perfectly |
| 20:49.46 | ghatak | /bans |
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| 20:50.36 | MoDaX | ghatak: are you sure that it's not a firewall blocking irc chat? |
| 20:50.39 | Skiver | novata_peleona, the output of this command "file discografica_tracy_chapman.iso", he wants. |
| 20:51.20 | novata_peleona | discografica_tracy_chapman.iso: data |
| 20:51.27 | ghatak | MoDaX: yea i am sure, because i can join other channels such as Linux and Redhat on same server. When i try to join debian i get the message that i am banned |
| 20:51.36 | CaligoSpiritus | ghatak: I had similar problem - firewall blocks irc ports, use proxy with port 80 to connect |
| 20:51.40 | pumpkin0 | novata_peleona: are you sure that is a valid iso-file ? |
| 20:51.53 | olskolirc | omg my system is installing! |
| 20:51.57 | Skiver | samuel, then you are better off wait for it to be "official". |
| 20:52.01 | ghatak | CaligoSpiritus: Firewall aint blocking mate |
| 20:52.06 | olskolirc | error on my locals thought says i have to set it up to en_us |
| 20:52.07 | dvs | !beer olskolirc |
| 20:52.09 | olskolirc | i can handle that |
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| 20:52.30 | olskolirc | prorat |
| 20:52.32 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 20:52.35 | olskolirc | anwyway |
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| 20:52.46 | olskolirc | woooo hoooooo etch here i come |
| 20:52.54 | Skiver | ghatak: perhaps you can log the message for us next time you're in office. |
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| 20:53.06 | magic_stone | how can i install the normal firefox and not the iceweasel there are no library libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 20:53.30 | magic_stone | i can`t bealiver i'm here for more then 60 minuts try to install the new firefox lol |
| 20:53.31 | magic_stone | :| |
| 20:53.38 | ghatak | can anyone just list current bans and see if there is one from plus.net or force9.co.uk etc. coz these are the ISP's our work place has, and it might be the case everything on those domains is blocked |
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| 20:53.48 | blondie | apt-get install firefox |
| 20:53.52 | MoDaX | magic_stone: you're on 64bit system. firefox from mozilla.org is for 32bit |
| 20:54.15 | MoDaX | magic_stone: do you have ia32-libs installed? |
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| 20:54.44 | ghatak | Skiver: Okay mate will do that. But i am sure it is a ban for entire domain, because i do not remember doing anything to deserve a ban |
| 20:55.03 | Skiver | ghatak, you were banned from this channel alone, or the whole freenode.net ? |
| 20:55.06 | magic_stone | MoDax i need to install ia32-libs ? |
| 20:55.21 | magic_stone | yes i have 64 processor |
| 20:55.34 | MoDaX | magic_stone: and debian amd64 |
| 20:55.35 | ghatak | Skiver: From this channel only, i can join other channels that i have tried in the same time |
| 20:55.42 | magic_stone | correct amd 64 x2 |
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| 20:56.23 | Skiver | ghatak, try /banlist |
| 20:56.47 | ghatak | Skiver: ok dude let me have a look at that |
| 20:57.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: i really tried to get pixie to work, but it fails here: i486-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I.. -g -O2 -MT execute.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/execute.Tpo -c execute.cpp -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/execute.o i486-linux-gnu-g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) Please submit a full bug report. |
| 20:57.24 | MoDaX | magic_stone: yes, and you also need ia32-libs-gtk |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | ghatak: /mode #debian +b .. will list them |
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| 20:58.41 | MoDaX | magic_stone: then try to run that firefox again. I still fail to understand why you are against iceweasel. it is essentially the same with a better logo |
| 20:58.45 | Skiver | =/ |
| 20:59.09 | Skiver | MoDaX, the logo is.. |
| 20:59.09 | ghatak | abrotman: Okies |
| 20:59.21 | MoDaX | Skiver: don't like it? |
| 20:59.24 | MoDaX | :) |
| 20:59.34 | MoDaX | I like green color |
| 20:59.35 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 21:00.06 | Skiver | that weasel looks too small. |
| 21:00.16 | abrotman | file a bug ? |
| 21:00.25 | Skiver | hahaha. |
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| 21:00.55 | MoDaX | scruffy: blame mozilla |
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| 21:01.52 | linuxnewuserr | what up |
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| 21:02.19 | abrotman | pumpkin0: why? because there are five browsers that use the same rendering engine ? |
| 21:02.31 | Skiver | pumpkin0, tell me about it ? |
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| 21:03.30 | pumpkin0 | if the people behind open-soucre cannot get their act together and agree on something simple like a license ... |
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| 21:03.32 | linuxnewuserr | anyone: no one in the ubuntu chat will help a newbie like me, I had to reinstall ubuntu because i tried to adjust display in terminal to 1400 and then the partition wiped windows off |
| 21:03.52 | jetscreamer | so install debian |
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| 21:03.53 | pumpkin0 | linuxnewuserr: hint: we do not support ubunut. |
| 21:03.57 | abrotman | pumpkin0: you're only covering half the argument .. nice try though |
| 21:04.09 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: and the other half is ? |
| 21:04.19 | linuxnewuserr | pump |
| 21:04.20 | abrotman | pumpkin0: that we're not allowed to call it firefox |
| 21:04.22 | linuxnewuserr | ubuntu is debian based |
| 21:04.24 | scruffy | how does one pronounce Piraat? |
| 21:04.28 | linuxnewuserr | why can't you support it |
| 21:04.30 | linuxnewuserr | ? |
| 21:04.36 | pumpkin0 | !ubuntu |
| 21:04.37 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:04.39 | MoDaX | linuxnewuserr: it has diverged too much |
| 21:04.56 | linuxnewuserr | i'm a newb |
| 21:05.14 | abrotman | linuxnewuserr: please go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 21:05.24 | magic_stone | MoDaX nathing :\ don`t install even whith ia32libs |
| 21:05.24 | magic_stone | :\ |
| 21:05.24 | magic_stone | keeps asking me the libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 |
| 21:05.35 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: yes ? i say the people driving open-soucre are to simple-minded to argee on simple things like licenses. That creates absurd things like iceweasel. |
| 21:05.41 | magic_stone | :x |
| 21:05.42 | MoDaX | magic_stone: you also need ia32-libs-gtk |
| 21:05.43 | magic_stone | o0 |
| 21:05.45 | magic_stone | 0o |
| 21:05.51 | Ny-Ty | ubuntu is shit |
| 21:05.52 | Ny-Ty | :| |
| 21:05.54 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i just told oyu .. that's only half the issue .. |
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| 21:06.14 | magic_stone | MoDaX ok will try to thanks |
| 21:06.23 | MoDaX | pumpkin0: come on. debian people has not started all this |
| 21:06.35 | MoDaX | have* |
| 21:06.39 | ghatak | foudn it >>> [21:02:14] Ban listing for debian: *!*@84-93-217-6. plus. net (set by mentor!n=matthew at unaffiliated/mentor on Thu 28. Dec 18:18:43 2006) |
| 21:06.44 | MoDaX | mozilla did |
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| 21:07.11 | abrotman | ghatak: and ? |
| 21:07.25 | pumpkin0 | MoDaX: i never said debianer started it. I say it is one sign showing that the people behind open-soucre cannot or do not want to cooperate. Got it this time ? |
| 21:07.40 | abrotman | the license issue is only part of it .. |
| 21:07.44 | ghatak | abrotman: Well i dont know why i was banned. .... |
| 21:07.45 | abrotman | the logo issue |
| 21:07.48 | MoDaX | pumpkin0: mozilla is getting more like corp |
| 21:07.51 | abrotman | ghatak: ask mentor .. |
| 21:07.56 | abrotman | ghatak: what's your normal nick ? |
| 21:08.06 | ghatak | same nick |
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| 21:08.19 | ghatak | this is the nick i use, but i am at home at the moment |
| 21:08.29 | pumpkin0 | MoDaX: so does suse and redhat. it is no good sign ... |
| 21:08.30 | MoDaX | ghatak: I will search my logs |
| 21:08.43 | abrotman | ghatak: you'll have to ask mentor |
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| 21:09.21 | MoDaX | pumpkin0: why should debian do how mozilla wants? |
| 21:09.21 | ghatak | I have pm'ed, waiting for response |
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| 21:09.29 | Skiver | other distros are not allowed to use the firefox name too ? |
| 21:09.42 | ghatak | MoDaX: thanks mate |
| 21:09.43 | pumpkin0 | MoDaX: why should anyone agree on the mozilla license ? |
| 21:09.48 | magic_stone | MoDaX thanks :) it works |
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| 21:09.51 | george_looney | hello people |
| 21:09.54 | abrotman | pumpkin0: do you have any idea why we can't call it firefox ? |
| 21:10.00 | walk_outside | will python 2.5 make it into etch? |
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| 21:10.09 | MoDaX | pumpkin0: this has nothing to do with licence |
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| 21:10.14 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: yes, the logos are trademarked. |
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| 21:10.18 | MoDaX | pumpkin0: it's a trademark issue |
| 21:10.23 | abrotman | pumpkin0: that's HALF of it ... |
| 21:10.34 | ghatak | Okay now someone tell me, how do i setup my network card so it has a static config, currently it automatically gets ip address from DHCP, i do not use any X |
| 21:10.38 | abrotman | which i've said three times now .. and you still don't get it |
| 21:11.19 | magic_stone | MoDaX because everyone need to respect the other work ... and they licence i think |
| 21:11.21 | magic_stone | :| |
| 21:11.32 | Flash_ | ghatak, /etc/network/interfaces is where you should be looking |
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| 21:11.38 | MoDaX | magic_stone: that's not licence issue |
| 21:11.51 | magic_stone | no ?! |
| 21:11.57 | george_looney | ghatak: man interfaces will help you |
| 21:12.10 | MoDaX | magic_stone: no. trademark |
| 21:12.13 | abrotman | pumpkin0: there was also the issue of vetting patches |
| 21:12.15 | ghatak | kewl |
| 21:12.24 | magic_stone | trademark how like that? |
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| 21:13.05 | magic_stone | because the logo? |
| 21:13.17 | magic_stone | so why you can use the logo of they ? :\ |
| 21:13.34 | olskolirc | my etch upgrade is installing but i keep seeing this: per wating locals could not be set |
| 21:13.34 | blondie | magic_stone: because some people are hypocrits |
| 21:13.35 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 21:13.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 21:13.40 | olskolirc | then it shows me the settings |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 21:13.42 | dpkg | methinks why iceweasel is debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 21:13.46 | karsten | MoDaX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceWeasel |
| 21:14.07 | CaligoSpiritus | We can not use the Firefox name because, the license asks to use fx logo with it, but logo's license is not compatible with debian license guidelines |
| 21:14.26 | MoDaX | magic_stone: logo is not free |
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| 21:14.45 | abrotman | holy god .. that's only part of the issue |
| 21:14.55 | karsten | abrotman: You called? |
| 21:15.30 | magic_stone | ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes i understand now that one problem this :| |
| 21:15.30 | abrotman | karsten: tell them IT'S NOT JUST THE LOGO |
| 21:15.30 | enouf | it's sunday .. yay |
| 21:15.30 | karsten | !sunday |
| 21:15.30 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 21:15.30 | magic_stone | so every linux distribution will start to have problems whoth firefox ? |
| 21:15.30 | abrotman | magic_stone: no |
| 21:15.32 | CaligoSpiritus | iceweasel is a fork of firefox, it has some features, that firefox does not... but of course everyone can use oficial firefox |
| 21:15.38 | magic_stone | so noone can use firefox lol |
| 21:15.40 | karsten | magic_stone: May. May not. |
| 21:15.41 | CaligoSpiritus | *official |
| 21:15.50 | magic_stone | this is one history bad sing lol |
| 21:16.07 | meldron | Does ipop3d creats a new ssl certificate after apt-get install? |
| 21:16.22 | karsten | meldron: check the postinst. |
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| 21:16.36 | Ny-Ty | i dont like KDE |
| 21:16.37 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
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| 21:16.43 | magic_stone | strange thing i think :\ |
| 21:16.49 | Ny-Ty | because i dont know what the word K means |
| 21:16.58 | meldron | karsten: How? |
| 21:17.01 | karsten | abrotman: What's your read beyond logo? |
| 21:17.06 | karsten | meldron: man less |
| 21:17.08 | MoDaX | ghatak: you were banned for no reason. 2 minutes after you left |
| 21:17.13 | abrotman | karsten: eh ? |
| 21:17.15 | karsten | meldron: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.postinst |
| 21:17.22 | meldron | thx |
| 21:17.25 | karsten | abrotman: ff/iw |
| 21:17.26 | olskolirc | olskolirc |
| 21:17.27 | matju | how do i reduce the priority of X11 ? I have a problem in which an OpenGL program seems to have priority over a realtime audio application that ought to be higher-priority |
| 21:17.31 | abrotman | karsten: read the whole bug |
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| 21:17.41 | karsten | abrotman: Reading ;-) |
| 21:17.42 | olskolirc | someone say my name so i can see if it highlights |
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| 21:18.02 | enouf | my name |
| 21:18.06 | CaligoSpiritus | lkskolirc |
| 21:18.07 | olskolirc | lol |
| 21:18.08 | karsten | olskolirc: |
| 21:18.12 | olskolirc | yeahhh |
| 21:18.13 | CaligoSpiritus | olkskolirc |
| 21:18.16 | olskolirc | brigth green |
| 21:18.24 | MoDaX | ghatak: http://pastebin.ca/309612 |
| 21:18.28 | CaligoSpiritus | olskolirc |
| 21:18.28 | olskolirc | it didn't flash though |
| 21:18.33 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 21:18.43 | Mark_Iron | Hi volks :) .. would you recommend using make or cdbs for new debian projects ? |
| 21:18.44 | CaligoSpiritus | lol - twice a mistake :) |
| 21:18.58 | olskolirc | im using mirc sysreset through crossover |
| 21:19.00 | karsten | olskolirc: Log in again under a second nick and msg between the nicks or create your own private chat. |
| 21:19.07 | olskolirc | i'll never leave sysreset |
| 21:19.09 | dondelelcaro | Mark_Iron: uh... you have no choice but to use make. I personally don't recommend CDBS, but some people do. |
| 21:19.10 | minerale | I'm doing `ssh -X some.host` but once I SSH in $DISPLAY is not set, what is the default $DISPLAY value when one does ssh -X ? |
| 21:19.10 | abrotman | MoDaX: there's no ban there |
| 21:19.21 | dondelelcaro | minerale: there is no default. |
| 21:19.21 | timthelion | hey, urxvt is acting up under ssh. one, the backspace key seems to act as the space key, and the control-n control -p control-f control-b key sequences don't work. xterm works(but the font is impossibly small) |
| 21:19.23 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
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| 21:19.35 | minerale | dondelelcaro: how can I find out where it's listening ? |
| 21:19.39 | Mark_Iron | tnx dondelelcaro .. why do you have no choice ? |
| 21:19.45 | minerale | what :1 number |
| 21:19.46 | dondelelcaro | minerale: what it's set to depends on which socket was created. If DISPLAY is not set, then it's not been set up properly. /msg dpkg sshx |
| 21:19.51 | karsten | minerale: does local allow X11 forwarding? Does remote allow X11 forwarding? Is $DISPLAY set locally? Are xlibs installed remotely? |
| 21:19.57 | karsten | minerale: Troubleshoot that. |
| 21:20.00 | dondelelcaro | Mark_Iron: because debian/rules must be a makefile |
| 21:20.29 | minerale | karsten: xlibs need to be installed remotely? I dont think I installed those |
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| 21:20.30 | Mark_Iron | hmm @ dondelelcaro ... right |
| 21:20.35 | MoDaX | it seems mentor was doing some spam banning and banned ghatak by mistake |
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| 21:20.39 | olskolirc | is that perl waring during my install can't set locals going to be a big problem? |
| 21:20.45 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: no |
| 21:20.56 | karsten | minerale: *client* side X. Not server. But you can't run X clients w/o client lib support |
| 21:21.00 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: it just happens because the locale you're using hasn't been built yet. |
| 21:21.01 | olskolirc | i can't get over can't remove /etc/shh directory is full thing |
| 21:21.20 | olskolirc | ohhh ok dondeleclacaro |
| 21:21.30 | olskolirc | my completion isn't set up on here i see |
| 21:21.40 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: if you run the upgrade with LANG=C ...; you won't see it. |
| 21:22.29 | Mark_Iron | do you have any experience in creating debian source packages dondelelcaro ? .. and maybe some recommendation for a good tutorial? ;-) |
| 21:22.56 | MoDaX | !newmaint |
| 21:22.57 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 21:22.59 | karsten | Mark_Iron: Debian New Maintainer's Guide. Debian Policy. |
| 21:23.00 | olskolirc | ok |
| 21:23.10 | karsten | Mark_Iron: http://www.debian.org/doc/ in general. |
| 21:23.30 | Mark_Iron | thank you karsten ... :) |
| 21:23.34 | dondelelcaro | Mark_Iron: I'm a DD. It's pretty much required... |
| 21:23.41 | Mark_Iron | and MoDaX ;o) |
| 21:23.52 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I always thought of you more as a DM. |
| 21:23.54 | magic_stone | i think all this strange from mozilla because they cannot refuse one software to be installed i think r then probably the distros start to need change the licence acording the software that the persons wahts to install in they pc whith the service that distros provide |
| 21:23.55 | Mark_Iron | rgiht dondelelcaro ! ;o))) |
| 21:24.03 | abrotman | pretty much ? |
| 21:24.17 | karsten | magic_stone: English much? |
| 21:24.18 | Mark_Iron | *g* @ abrotman |
| 21:24.27 | tarzeau | Mark_Iron: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ ? |
| 21:24.32 | scruffy | I'm just making a general statement here.. I don't understand why so many people use distributions like Fedora when the recommended upgrade path is to backup important files, then wipe and install fresh the new version. And then I say "well, there's debian or ubuntu", and the people carry on weighing their options as if I didn't say anything. |
| 21:24.39 | tarzeau | Mark_Iron: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 21:24.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if you're doing documentation work, you may not *have* to be an expert... but most people become one |
| 21:25.01 | ghatak | Ok got that file sorted and did /etc/init.d/networking restart too but it is not picking up default gateway. DNS resolution is working and host's on same network are reachable. but when i try to send something out of default gateway i get network unreachable .... any help ? |
| 21:25.05 | karsten | scruffy: ask them, not us. |
| 21:25.06 | abrotman | i was under the impression in order to pass the skills test you had to know how to do it |
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| 21:25.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you like chopin? |
| 21:25.26 | MoDaX | magic_stone: iceweasel is not different. it's just a freaking name and better integration debian which mozilla won't let to do in firefox proper |
| 21:25.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: he's okay |
| 21:25.38 | MoDaX | a freaking different* |
| 21:25.39 | karsten | tarzeau: No, abrotman like's hackin |
| 21:25.41 | Mark_Iron | great tarzeau ! ... merci beaucoup !!! |
| 21:25.52 | karsten | s/'// |
| 21:26.00 | scruffy | karsten: hey! why didn't I think of that? |
| 21:26.18 | tarzeau | Mark_Iron: de rien, c'est interdit parler francais ici |
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| 21:26.36 | karsten | scruffy: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 21:26.40 | azeem | tarzeau: please talk in english |
| 21:26.42 | craigevil | You can always cahnge it to say Firefox> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061205 Firefox/2.0.0.1 (Debian-2.0.0.1+dfsg-1) |
| 21:26.43 | CaligoSpiritus | MoDaX: actually iceweasel has couple of features implemented... |
| 21:26.46 | karsten | scruffy: ... may explain bits of that. |
| 21:26.57 | MoDaX | CaligoSpiritus: e.g.? |
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| 21:27.24 | karsten | scruffy: There are some relatively valid reasons for going RH/RH-like routes if you insist, but I agree that the DEB / Debian upgrade path is compelling. |
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| 21:28.11 | CaligoSpiritus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.13 | CaligoSpiritus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.14 | CaligoSpiritus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:28.26 | MoDaX | CaligoSpiritus: wrong wrong wrong |
| 21:28.28 | CaligoSpiritus | © http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 21:28.41 | craigevil | That isnt the Iceweasel that is in Debian |
| 21:28.47 | CaligoSpiritus | MoDaX: why? |
| 21:28.51 | abrotman | GNU iceweasel isn't Debian iceweasel |
| 21:28.55 | olskolirc | i can't /msg dpkg |
| 21:29.04 | olskolirc | says in my motd screen message blocked |
| 21:29.10 | karsten | abrotman: Clearly, iceweasel needs a trademark policy to address this confusion. |
| 21:29.14 | MoDaX | CaligoSpiritus: gnu iceweasel is a different thing |
| 21:29.21 | craigevil | Facts about Debian and Mozilla Firefox http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=97 |
| 21:29.22 | karsten | olskolirc: register |
| 21:29.32 | abrotman | karsten: they could call it snowfox ? |
| 21:29.33 | olskolirc | i am registered :-( |
| 21:29.49 | olskolirc | maybe i expired |
| 21:29.57 | karsten | abrotman: I thought that was MSIE. |
| 21:30.07 | Mark_Iron | really nice link karsten :) ... http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 21:30.10 | karsten | abrotman: s'nofox. |
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| 21:30.18 | karsten | Mark_Iron: Danke |
| 21:30.29 | magic_stone | MoDaX yes i understand but that one good question this one :| |
| 21:31.40 | MoDaX | magic_stone: is official firefox (tm) working for you? :) |
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| 21:31.45 | ghatak | Okay it is working now :) |
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| 21:31.48 | Mark_Iron | tarzeau: .. just reading your link :=) ... http://www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 21:32.04 | whadar | !inotify |
| 21:32.05 | dpkg | A replacement for dnotify, currently in kernels >=2.6.X -- see: http://www.edoceo.com/creo/inotify/ |
| 21:32.18 | tarzeau | Mark_Iron: it's really only for when you're in a hurry |
| 21:32.51 | tarzeau | Mark_Iron: like the nethack short guide compressed down to some lines |
| 21:32.52 | magic_stone | MoDaX but if is the logo problem you can allways change the logo yo the debian i think :\ |
| 21:33.00 | Mark_Iron | tarzeau: just for me :) |
| 21:33.05 | magic_stone | ok forget just think |
| 21:33.12 | magic_stone | you know bwther then me this problems |
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| 21:33.56 | Givade | Zygentoma |
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| 21:35.05 | MoDaX | magic_stone: logo, custom patch for debian needs, security support for old versions |
| 21:35.11 | MoDaX | patching* |
| 21:35.24 | scruffy | karsten: great write-up (linux-new.html) |
| 21:35.36 | karsten | scruffy: Thanks. |
| 21:35.48 | magic_stone | MoDaX ok :) |
| 21:35.49 | karsten | scruffy: It's *way* longer than I wanted it to be, but .... |
| 21:35.49 | abrotman | !br |
| 21:35.50 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:35.51 | olskolirc | the install isn't removing directories that are full. am i getting a half assed install? |
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| 21:36.02 | MoDaX | olskolirc: no |
| 21:36.07 | olskolirc | ok |
| 21:36.18 | aabbccdd | /join #debian |
| 21:36.25 | magic_stone | MoDaX yes is working fine thanks now :) |
| 21:36.32 | aabbccdd | /join #debian |
| 21:36.36 | aabbccdd | sorry |
| 21:36.41 | MoDaX | aabbccdd: you're in #debian |
| 21:36.45 | aabbccdd | for annoying |
| 21:36.46 | aabbccdd | :) |
| 21:37.02 | disposable_ | i used cfdisk to 'print' my partition table to a file. (i have the raw, sector and table version) how do i use these files now (when my partition table is completely screwed)? i have a live cd booted but i don't want to manually type in these partition details in fdisk. |
| 21:37.20 | karsten | What is icelizards? (comment in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622) |
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| 21:37.52 | karsten | disposable_: That is the usual method. I believe you can script-drive fdisk, but generally don't play with that. |
| 21:38.27 | abrotman | karsten: gecko maybe ? |
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| 21:39.26 | laktop | i can't tell if this is a debian or kde problem, but i can't get text to show up in my kde menus |
| 21:39.39 | laktop | i'm assuming i'm missing a font or something |
| 21:40.15 | laktop | i also get weirdness at the debian login window, where some of the session items have no text until i mouse over them, then the text appears |
| 21:40.32 | disposable_ | karsten: aargh. i was afraid of that. very typo prone method |
| 21:40.48 | laktop | any ideas on what the problem might be? |
| 21:41.11 | MoDaX | laktop: install ttf-dejavu |
| 21:41.31 | MoDaX | laktop: btw, how did this happen? |
| 21:41.36 | laktop | MoDaX: ttf-dejavu is already the newest version. |
| 21:41.45 | laktop | MoDaX: heh, if i knew that... |
| 21:41.54 | MoDaX | laktop: etch? |
| 21:41.55 | laktop | i don't think i've ever tried kde on debian |
| 21:41.57 | laktop | yeah |
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| 21:42.05 | laktop | gnome still seems to work fine |
| 21:42.31 | laktop | i'm using a custom xorg config from ages ago (because i can't seem to find a program that can find both of my screens) |
| 21:42.35 | disposable_ | laktop: i had the same problem when i last updated/upgraded. X restart was all it needed. |
| 21:42.54 | zamaliphe | i need to install the apache "mod_rewrite" so i can use "RewriteEngine " what is the pkg name for it ??? |
| 21:42.55 | laktop | but i think all of my fonts are set up in xorg.conf correctly, altho i can't seem to get xorg to talk to xfs |
| 21:43.06 | laktop | disposable_: i've restarted x about 20 times :/ |
| 21:43.33 | MoDaX | laktop: was this after libqt3-mt upgrade? |
| 21:43.45 | laktop | MoDaX: i really have no idea |
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| 21:43.56 | laktop | i just installed the kde core on friday |
| 21:44.05 | abrotman | !tell zamaliphe about search |
| 21:44.13 | laktop | MoDaX: so i don't really know what it could have to do with |
| 21:44.35 | dendrite | laktop: Maybe #debian-kde can help? |
| 21:44.47 | laktop | ah, didn't know it existed :) |
| 21:44.51 | laktop | dendrite: thanks |
| 21:45.12 | disposable_ | laktop: maybe a fontconfig problem? did reboot help? |
| 21:45.26 | MoDaX | laktop: try running fc-cache -fv |
| 21:45.28 | laktop | disposable_: would that ever make a difference? |
| 21:45.29 | disposable_ | s/did reboot help?/have you tried rebooting? |
| 21:45.46 | MoDaX | disposable_: rebooting won't help |
| 21:45.50 | karsten | abrotman: Hrm. |
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| 21:46.03 | karsten | disposable_: check your work. That's why fdisk has "p" |
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| 21:46.09 | laktop | disposable_: i've not tried rebooting |
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| 21:46.32 | MoDaX | laktop: try running fc-cache -fv |
| 21:46.35 | MoDaX | first |
| 21:46.41 | laktop | MoDaX: i'm trying that now, brb |
| 21:46.44 | MoDaX | then restart X |
| 21:47.22 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
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| 21:47.34 | karsten | abrotman: gecko/icelizard |
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| 21:47.35 | utab | MoDaX: hi again |
| 21:47.39 | laktop | MoDaX: no dice |
| 21:47.43 | laktop | same problem |
| 21:47.45 | abrotman | karsten: just a guess .. maybe ask google ? |
| 21:47.47 | EricBlade | hi all.. just installed Debian, after a couple of years away.. having a problem |
| 21:47.50 | MoDaX | utab: hi |
| 21:47.51 | disposable_ | karsten: fdisk has 'p' to print but nothing to load :( |
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| 21:48.15 | EricBlade | startx tells me: failed to load "kbd" and failed to load "mouse" modules are not available .. is this a problem in the installation routines? |
| 21:48.19 | Rawplayer | hey, is there standard vlan support in debian? |
| 21:48.30 | MoDaX | EricBlade: yeah |
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| 21:48.41 | Rawplayer | (yes, i know howto install vnconfig and compile a kernel) |
| 21:48.44 | laktop | MoDaX: altho, strangely, fc-cache claimed i have no fonts in /usr/share/fonts/X11misc |
| 21:48.51 | abrotman | karsten: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/118-IceLizard-application-names.html |
| 21:48.58 | karsten | disposable_: Right. I was referrying to typo issues. |
| 21:48.59 | EricBlade | modax: is there something i need to apt-get to fix it, or change in configuration? |
| 21:49.06 | laktop | and there are a bunch of other dirs in there that it listed no fonts for, e.g., 100dpi and 75dpk |
| 21:49.12 | anapivirtua | Night |
| 21:49.13 | MoDaX | EricBlade: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405639 |
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| 21:49.31 | utab | MoDaX my full error message with kernel 2.6.8-3-686 is "/sbin/init:432 can not open dev/console:No such file; Kernel panic:Attempted to kill init!" |
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| 21:49.37 | karsten | disposable_: echo "p" | fdisk /dev/hda |
| 21:49.44 | karsten | disposable_: fdisk will read stdin. |
| 21:49.55 | EricBlade | hmm.. no mouse support in text mode, no web browser.. heh |
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| 21:50.18 | EricBlade | oh, got links, woot |
| 21:50.24 | karsten | disposable_: Your task is then to generate a script (or find one) that will parse your partition table description into the appropriate commands to (re)create a new one. |
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| 21:50.39 | MoDaX | EricBlade: install xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 21:50.51 | abrotman | !tell karsten about icelizard |
| 21:51.11 | karsten | abrotman: Danke. |
| 21:51.22 | abrotman | karsten: see what i can fill the bot with! |
| 21:51.23 | CaligoSpiritus | hey, men, what about swiftfox? (http://www.getswiftfox.com/) has anyone tried it? |
| 21:51.23 | MoDaX | utab: yeah, that one is difficult to solve |
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| 21:51.29 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, yeah. |
| 21:51.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: and icecream? |
| 21:51.41 | karsten | tarzeau: That's the new pr0n browser? |
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| 21:51.53 | bruenig | how do I open a .deb package, I don't want to install it just look at its contents |
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| 21:51.55 | tarzeau | karsten: links2 has a porn browsing mode |
| 21:52.01 | karsten | bruenig: ar |
| 21:52.03 | karsten | bruenig: ... or mc |
| 21:52.06 | LinuxHelp | How does one forcibly turn off the power to ones system? /sbin/halt -f tells me "System Halted", but I can still run programs o_O |
| 21:52.18 | tarzeau | LinuxHelp: remove the power cord? |
| 21:52.19 | LinuxHelp | I think this is a case where the linux kernel is just a little too resilient |
| 21:52.28 | karsten | LinuxHelp: acpi |
| 21:52.32 | bruenig | karsten, thans |
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| 21:52.35 | bruenig | thanks* |
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| 21:52.44 | EricBlade | thank you.. can I just install the kbd and mouse parts? |
| 21:52.48 | EricBlade | i don't need the other 20mb of stuff |
| 21:52.52 | EricBlade | i don't think |
| 21:53.00 | MoDaX | EricBlade: yes you can |
| 21:53.06 | tarzeau | EricBlade: not thinking is bad |
| 21:53.21 | LinuxHelp | I have acpi support in my kernel, but what userspace binary would do such a thing? |
| 21:53.25 | EricBlade | i do think i don't think i need the other stuff :P |
| 21:53.36 | karsten | Is there a DEB format factoid? Search 'deb' lists 15 of 3873 factoids.... |
| 21:53.43 | MoDaX | laktop: is it just menus? |
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| 21:53.47 | abrotman | ar x <pkg> |
| 21:53.53 | EricBlade | sweet.. now i'm at "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 21:53.56 | utab | MoDaX, I was still searching but no use i will try to upgrade but I am afraid of losing everything and start from scratch again tomorrow morning |
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| 21:54.13 | karsten | LinuxHelp: enable it at boot. If you have power control, you can physically power down the box with shutdown -h / halt -f. If not, the system just halts (and really *shouldn't* run commands). |
| 21:54.17 | laktop | MoDaX: yeah, from what i can tell, altho i can't seem to correctly guess what icons mean so i can't open many aps |
| 21:54.27 | karsten | !tell EricBlade about setupx |
| 21:54.32 | laktop | MoDaX: but the startup tips work, and the one time i got a terminal opened it worked |
| 21:54.35 | tarzeau | karsten: it's just an ar archive of control.tar.{gz,bz2,lzma} and data.tar.{gz,bz2,lzma} and another file |
| 21:54.39 | karsten | !tell EricBlade about set up x |
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| 21:54.57 | karsten | tarzeau: I know what it *is*. I'm wondering if there's an existing factoid i'm about to dupe. |
| 21:55.02 | tarzeau | oh wait control is only supported as tar.gz i think |
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| 21:55.14 | tarzeau | karsten: well i don't know then |
| 21:55.15 | EricBlade | wow i just got like 3 pages of PMs .. |
| 21:55.24 | MoDaX | utab: try upgrading to etch with sarge 2.4.27 kernel. then install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 and reboot |
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| 21:55.31 | MoDaX | utab: maybe it will boot :) |
| 21:55.41 | abrotman | EricBlade: karsten had the bot tell you stuff |
| 21:55.51 | EricBlade | yeah and someone else dumped me a bunch too |
| 21:55.53 | karsten | dpkg: DEB format is debian packages consist of an ar archive containing two tar.gz archives, plus a few control files. You can unpack using dpkg, ar and tar, or typically, with mc. |
| 21:55.54 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 21:55.57 | EricBlade | and it all scrolled right off my screen :D |
| 21:56.03 | karsten | tarzeau: ^^ |
| 21:56.16 | tarzeau | karsten: but nowadays data.tar can be also bzip2 or lzma |
| 21:56.18 | MoDaX | laktop: hmm |
| 21:56.25 | EricBlade | and it's been oh, about 20 years since i've used ircII so i am not sure how/if i can go back |
| 21:56.27 | karsten | tarzeau: Feh. |
| 21:56.30 | laktop | did the smp kernel packages disappear? |
| 21:56.32 | MoDaX | laktop: try installing ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 21:56.43 | laktop | my latest kernel upgrade is not listed as smp... |
| 21:56.48 | MoDaX | laktop: yes |
| 21:56.50 | karsten | dpkg: DEB format is also ... may also contain bzip2'd or lzma compressed tarballs. |
| 21:56.51 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 21:56.58 | karsten | !DEB format |
| 21:56.59 | dpkg | well, deb format is debian packages consist of an ar archive containing two tar.gz archives, plus a few control files. You can unpack using dpkg, ar and tar, or typically, with mc. |
| 21:57.00 | MoDaX | laktop: smp is now runtime-detected |
| 21:57.16 | laktop | MoDaX: ah, cool, 'bout time :) |
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| 21:57.28 | utab | MoDaX so there is the possibility of not booting, anyway I have a problematic system now so far |
| 21:57.32 | laktop | MoDaX: i didn't have that bitstream pkg, so i'll see if that helps |
| 21:57.32 | karsten | WTF? |
| 21:57.37 | karsten | !deb format |
| 21:57.38 | dpkg | i guess deb format is debian packages consist of an ar archive containing two tar.gz archives, plus a few control files. You can unpack using dpkg, ar and tar, or typically, with mc. |
| 21:57.40 | karsten | !DEB format |
| 21:57.40 | dpkg | deb format is probably ... may also contain bzip2'dlzma compressed tarballs. |
| 21:57.41 | utab | MoDaX nothing can be worse I guess |
| 21:57.46 | h3sp4wn | karsten: dpkg-deb -x does it not need something about that ? |
| 21:57.48 | karsten | dpkg: forget DEB format |
| 21:57.49 | dpkg | karsten: i forgot deb format |
| 21:57.56 | karsten | dpkg: deb format is also ... may also contain bzip2'd or lzma compressed tarballs. |
| 21:57.57 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 21:58.00 | karsten | !deb format |
| 21:58.00 | dpkg | well, deb format is ... may also contain bzip2'dlzma compressed tarballs. |
| 21:58.10 | LinuxHelp | ... |
| 21:58.21 | MoDaX | utab: yeah, dog slow cdrom and hdd is a bad thing |
| 21:58.51 | utab | MoDaX you are right |
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| 21:59.08 | MoDaX | utab: you will be more satified with etch anyway |
| 21:59.10 | abrotman | !deb format |
| 21:59.12 | tarzeau | !fruitsmite abrotman |
| 21:59.14 | LinuxHelp | !gothsmite abrotman |
| 21:59.15 | abrotman | oh good .. you killed it |
| 21:59.16 | enouf | karsten: =~ .. eveb I can remember that much :-p |
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| 21:59.31 | laktop | MoDaX: now the startup tips don't work, and i've confirmed that other apps don't have fonts either |
| 21:59.36 | utab | MoDaX is that close to release as stable |
| 21:59.39 | laktop | e.g., my home dir has no fonts, nor does kwrite |
| 21:59.46 | utab | MoDaX do you have some idea |
| 21:59.56 | MoDaX | utab: very close |
| 22:00.06 | karsten | dpkg: deb format is Debian packages (.deb files) consist of an ar archive containing two tar.gz (or bzip2 or lmza) archives, plus a few control files. You can unpack using dpkg, or ar and tar, or typically with mc. |
| 22:00.06 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 22:00.11 | karsten | !deb format |
| 22:00.12 | dpkg | i heard deb format is Debian packages (.deb files) consist of an ar archive containing two tar.gz (or bzip2 or lmza) archives, plus a few control files. You can unpack using dpkg, or ar and tar, or typically with mc. |
| 22:00.13 | enouf | karsten: one of my fav sayings is .. "if I could do it, so can any half-advanced ape" |
| 22:00.35 | karsten | enouf: And what do you have against quarter-advanced apes such as myself? |
| 22:00.39 | MoDaX | laktop: hmm, it's the first I hear this |
| 22:00.45 | utab | MoDaX: the only thing I have to do is to point to testing repositories and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:00.48 | EricBlade | ok is there some way to change my text-mode video-mode while i'm running? |
| 22:00.51 | MoDaX | laktop: boot gnome |
| 22:00.55 | MoDaX | utab: yes |
| 22:00.58 | karsten | EricBlade: yes |
| 22:01.10 | MoDaX | utab: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:01.10 | laktop | MoDaX: is there a canonical "fonts on debian" page or something? it seems pretty scattered and not all that clear, at least to me |
| 22:01.10 | EricBlade | i just reconfigured xserver-xorg, and that didn't solve the problem, the rest of the instructions i totally missed due to scroll |
| 22:01.20 | laktop | MoDaX: you mean give up on kde? |
| 22:01.29 | MoDaX | laktop: no |
| 22:01.29 | LinuxHelp | uRm, so yeah I'm still wondering how to turn my power off using software, and no, halt -f, doesn't work, just says "System Halted", but I can still run nano etc after that |
| 22:01.36 | utab | MoDaX : yeah |
| 22:01.41 | abrotman | tried executing .. poweroff ? |
| 22:01.41 | karsten | Violins fill the air..... |
| 22:01.42 | enouf | (i drew a blank) .. |
| 22:01.47 | MoDaX | laktop: I mean boot gnome and we will examine the situation |
| 22:02.05 | enouf | ouvh |
| 22:02.10 | enouf | er .. nm |
| 22:02.29 | karsten | EricBlade: What specifically did you have in mind? |
| 22:02.52 | EricBlade | karsten: i'd like to get up to a 43 or 50 line display, and then see if i can figure out how to get X working :) |
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| 22:03.12 | karsten | EricBlade: console? |
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| 22:03.23 | EricBlade | yeah, i'm stuck in console right now |
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| 22:03.28 | enouf | there |
| 22:03.36 | karsten | EricBlade: svgatextmode can dynamically change your screen rez. Or you can specify a framebuffer mode at boot with 'vga=NNN' |
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| 22:03.59 | MoDaX | laktop: ready? |
| 22:04.01 | EricBlade | i don't have that command .. bah |
| 22:04.02 | WinLux | hello guys |
| 22:04.28 | laktop | MoDaX: give me a couple of minutes, i decided to reboot (which i hadn't done in 200 or so days...) so now i have to reinstall my nvidia driver |
| 22:04.29 | WinLux | I'm a bit new to Linux, especially to for debian |
| 22:04.36 | karsten | !installit |
| 22:04.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 22:04.39 | karsten | EricBlade: ^^ |
| 22:04.51 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, When I try that, it say "/dev/initctl" not found, which makes sense since I haven't created it and I'm using my own custom /sbin/init |
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| 22:05.20 | karsten | EricBlade: FB modes <=> screen res |
| 22:05.22 | WinLux | I want to install debian on my laptop, but I'm a little afraid of a problem that occurs with my old pc |
| 22:05.23 | karsten | EricBlade: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.3 |
| 22:05.42 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: i mean while the system is actually running |
| 22:05.48 | abrotman | might need apcid too |
| 22:05.53 | WinLux | it was a pc of type Pentium I 266 MHz with 64 MB RAM and 2 GB of HD |
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| 22:05.59 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, yes, while its running |
| 22:06.05 | EricBlade | framebuffer? are we back in 1994? |
| 22:06.20 | WinLux | The problem was that grub couldn't boot |
| 22:06.23 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, and why do you suggest acpid? |
| 22:06.25 | MoDaX | utab: and don't forget to install a new kernel afterwards. linux-image-686 or linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 directly |
| 22:06.29 | karsten | EricBlade: I'd pick the 8bpp values, so: 0x300, 0x301, 0x303, 0x305, 0x161, 0x307, 0x31C for 640x400, 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1152x864, 1280x1024, 1600x1200 resp. |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: power management ? |
| 22:06.50 | karsten | EricBlade: Do you want useful advice from someone who knows what he's talking about ... |
| 22:06.53 | karsten | EricBlade: ... or ... |
| 22:07.01 | karsten | EricBlade: ... would you care to consider what I've just given you. |
| 22:07.15 | WinLux | but my laptop has 256 MB RAM and a AMD processor of about 1.x GHz |
| 22:07.21 | barefoot | anyone running root-tail? It backgrounds with no errors but I dont see anything on my desktop, Im trying the following: root-tail --color black -g 400x200+100+50 /home/user/test.log --frame |
| 22:07.29 | WinLux | would Debian work properly? |
| 22:07.36 | amphi | WinLux: sure |
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| 22:07.44 | karsten | barefoot: Dump something to the logfile. |
| 22:07.45 | amphi | WinLux: use a lightish wm |
| 22:07.58 | karsten | barefoot: eg: dmesg >> /home/user/test.log |
| 22:08.13 | WinLux | wha t do you mean by lightish wm Amphi? |
| 22:08.25 | CaligoSpiritus | WinLux, sure, but don't use heavy desktops like kde... it will work actually, but not fast... |
| 22:08.33 | utab | MoDaX I got an error during dist-upgrade, here it is http://pastebin.ca/309663 |
| 22:08.35 | barefoot | karsten: I tried it with this and still nothing: for i in `seq 1 1000`; do echo "test $i" >> test.log; done |
| 22:08.38 | WinLux | ooh ok |
| 22:08.54 | karsten | barefoot: That would suggest it's not working ;-) |
| 22:08.55 | WinLux | and if I only want to work with bash and don't use GUI at all? |
| 22:09.11 | barefoot | karsten: yeah, but its not giving any errors |
| 22:09.12 | CaligoSpiritus | WinLux, it will fly :) |
| 22:09.22 | WinLux | hahahahaha nice to read that |
| 22:09.40 | WinLux | By the way, why has Debian about 14 CD's ???? |
| 22:10.04 | LinuxHelp | Caus' it has 'bout 14000 packages |
| 22:10.06 | enouf | whole lotta rosie? |
| 22:10.10 | CaligoSpiritus | coz it has a huge set of packages |
| 22:10.14 | cydork | WinLux: coz all the packages wont fit on a single cd :P |
| 22:10.15 | craigevil | you only need the 1st cd or use the netinstall |
| 22:10.15 | barefoot | karsten: shouldnt it atleast draw the frame? I dont see that either |
| 22:10.18 | MoDaX | utab: dpkg -P --force-all libfam0c102 |
| 22:10.22 | MoDaX | utab: known bug |
| 22:10.30 | MoDaX | utab: and try again |
| 22:10.48 | robin_sz | enouf, angus! |
| 22:11.00 | utab | MoDaX Ok yhx |
| 22:11.01 | WinLux | what kind of packages do we talk about, I mean 14000, how can I know which one I need? |
| 22:11.05 | utab | MoDaX thx |
| 22:11.14 | enouf | robin_sz: if you want love .. you got it! |
| 22:11.30 | karsten | WinLux: twm, vtwm, fvwm, icewm, fluxbox (or other *box WMs), maybe windowmaker, xfwm4 |
| 22:11.40 | karsten | WinLux: erm, xfce4 |
| 22:11.42 | CaligoSpiritus | WinLux, you won't need them all, actually if you're going to work in bash, you will only need the first one, and then you can use apt-get/aptitude and one of on-line repositories |
| 22:11.49 | robin_sz | enouf, I think it was blood actually, but hey, close enough |
| 22:11.51 | MoDaX | karsten: twm, hmmm |
| 22:11.54 | LinuxHelp | WinLux, well theres "openoffice-writer" and "evolution" etc etc |
| 22:11.57 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 22:12.00 | karsten | !small window managers |
| 22:12.01 | dpkg | it has been said that small window managers is blackbox, oroborus, 9wm, ctwm, Ion, PWM, Larswm |
| 22:12.05 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15749 packages, 1472 maintainers, 29193 MB installed size, 9115 MB compressed size. |
| 22:12.07 | cydork | karsten: you forgot ion :) |
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| 22:12.22 | LinuxHelp | WinLux, its easy to find what you need, you just do apt-cache search |
| 22:12.24 | snowbird | i have drive isue |
| 22:12.24 | enouf | robin_sz: doh! .. i gave away one of my quarters to karsten :-) |
| 22:12.30 | karsten | cydork: Sure. |
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| 22:12.47 | olskolirc | dang this install is taking a wholeeee day |
| 22:12.54 | utab | MoDaX this time I got errors related to xlibmesa-glu and libglu1-mesa |
| 22:13.02 | WinLux | ok, so all the possible app's I got it in one of 14 cd's |
| 22:13.06 | karsten | WinLux: Also google "window managers for x" for a good overview of a bunch of options. |
| 22:13.16 | snowbird | i need partion help |
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| 22:13.17 | karsten | WinLux: Install from net mirrors if at all possible. |
| 22:13.23 | enouf | robin_sz: hehe .. blood shows love anyway .. |
| 22:13.26 | karsten | snowbird: ask |
| 22:13.30 | MoDaX | utab: paste |
| 22:13.32 | karsten | !tell snowbird about ask |
| 22:13.47 | karsten | !tell snowbird about smart questions |
| 22:13.48 | craigevil | 18676 packages in Etch and with Sid and debian-multimedia 20k packages |
| 22:13.58 | snowbird | i got partions abought un allocated |
| 22:14.00 | WinLux | well, in that case I'll download 2 dvd iso's ;) |
| 22:14.05 | robin_sz | enouf, well true enough... althoug it depends a bit on how exactly the blood is being let out ;) |
| 22:14.07 | snowbird | cant remove the unalocated space |
| 22:14.07 | enouf | but it ain't quite high-voltage .. |
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| 22:14.22 | karsten | snowbird: 'fdisk -l <device>' and paste to a pastebin |
| 22:14.25 | karsten | !tell snowbird about paster |
| 22:14.29 | EricBlade | alright, next question, is there a NV driver that works? |
| 22:14.32 | utab | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/309676 |
| 22:14.37 | enouf | robin_sz: heh |
| 22:14.37 | karsten | EricBlade: No. |
| 22:14.37 | EricBlade | or am I stuck using framebuffer? |
| 22:14.46 | karsten | EricBlade: Buy supported HW with open specs. |
| 22:14.51 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 22:14.51 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 22:15.12 | robin_sz | enouf, damn, now I'm going to waste the entire evening searching for old songs on youtube ... again. |
| 22:15.20 | MoDaX | utab: are you using aptitude? |
| 22:15.26 | karsten | snowbird: OK, "wnpg" is winnipeg, but what's daphmb? |
| 22:15.31 | WinLux | Oooh, just one more question, is debian also fit for embedded systems, I mean is there some kind of software in those 14 cd's which makes linux on embedded systems possible? |
| 22:15.32 | enouf | !tell EricBlade about drxx |
| 22:15.34 | EricBlade | karsten: Well, let's see. There are two video manufacturers, effectively. ATI and NVidia. If neither of them work, then why would anyone use Linux? |
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| 22:15.41 | karsten | WinLux: Yes. |
| 22:15.43 | utab | MoDaX yes |
| 22:15.48 | karsten | WinLux: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:15.55 | robin_sz | although I might spend a few minutes winding up newbies first .. wheres _joey_ got to? |
| 22:16.00 | enouf | robin_sz: yep ... "... and we'll have a ball" |
| 22:16.08 | karsten | WinLux: .... though you might consider a source-based distro for that, somewhat less overhead once built. Eg: Gentoo. |
| 22:16.24 | snowbird | dauphin |
| 22:16.29 | robin_sz | enouf, now now, thats a touch too much |
| 22:16.31 | karsten | !intel graphics |
| 22:16.31 | dpkg | i heard intel graphics is 3D acceleration from Intel, open spec. Onboard chips only (sorry, AMD users). See http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm |
| 22:16.37 | karsten | EricBlade: You missed one. |
| 22:16.37 | WinLux | oooh ok, well karsten and others, thankyou very very much for your help,I really appreciate that |
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| 22:16.44 | karsten | WinLux: NP. |
| 22:16.54 | karsten | EricBlade: Radeon stuff works reasonably well. |
| 22:17.04 | enouf | robin_sz: well .. after all .. I'm on a highway to hell .. |
| 22:17.06 | MoDaX | utab: are you sure there is no trace of stable in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 22:17.12 | snowbird | http://pastebin.ca/309681 |
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| 22:17.17 | snowbird | paste is there |
| 22:17.17 | abrotman | MoDaX: or sarge ... |
| 22:17.29 | utab | MoDaX I have tree lines only but let me check |
| 22:17.32 | WinLux | c u next time guyz, bey!! :) |
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| 22:17.35 | EricBlade | karsten: Intel graphics hardware is at least AS bad if not worse, than all the other video hardware out there that isn't NV or ATI. I have an ATI 9600 and a GF6200, and neither of them work. |
| 22:17.36 | snowbird | one unalocated is 24 gigs and on 4oo megs |
| 22:17.37 | samuel | what package contains the alsa mixer settings save/restore daemon? |
| 22:17.38 | EricBlade | in Linux |
| 22:17.40 | enouf | robin_sz: alright .. no more beatin around the bush .. |
| 22:17.46 | enouf | ya hear? |
| 22:17.54 | robin_sz | enouf, you are, well, id be careful out there ... I hear there are people who will do som dirty deeds dirt cheap .. |
| 22:17.58 | karsten | EricBlade: A *major* institutional problem with Nvidia is that it's in bed with MSFT (XBox) and has massive disincentives to Play Well with Debian. |
| 22:17.58 | utab | MoDaX all is fine |
| 22:18.03 | karsten | EricBlade: ... or linux in general. |
| 22:18.15 | karsten | EricBlade: Intel _is_ supported, GPLd, and specced. |
| 22:18.20 | snowbird | modax |
| 22:18.34 | EricBlade | karsten: businesses do not play politics like that, businesses believe in one thing: $ |
| 22:18.34 | karsten | EricBlade: ... which is a win in my book. Anyhow, you've got the data, it's your problem, have fun resolving it. |
| 22:18.49 | karsten | EricBlade: Please talk to me after you stop dreaming. |
| 22:18.56 | snowbird | its etch |
| 22:18.57 | samuel | karsten: to be fair 3d drivers from nvidia are better than ati drivers |
| 22:19.06 | abrotman | they both suck |
| 22:19.07 | MoDaX | utab: what happens if you apt-get -f install ? |
| 22:19.14 | snowbird | abortman |
| 22:19.20 | abrotman | snowbroad |
| 22:19.22 | MoDaX | snowbird: um? |
| 22:19.23 | samuel | you force it to install something |
| 22:19.27 | enouf | robin_sz: I wonder how long we can keep this going .. hehe I'll have to dig out my old albums .. |
| 22:19.27 | karsten | samuel: To be fair, Nvidia's track record for being absolutely fucked on Linux is ginormous. |
| 22:19.30 | samuel | might break deps |
| 22:19.31 | snowbird | i got two unallocated partions |
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| 22:19.46 | utab | MoDaX After unpacking 427MB disk space will be freed. |
| 22:19.49 | EricBlade | karsten: i appreciate the help that you did give, when it was useful, but now i consider you part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. You should stick to keeping quiet when you have nothing to offer. |
| 22:19.51 | krazykit | heh, and ati's track record is any better? |
| 22:19.51 | snowbird | i want to remove and give space to my main partion |
| 22:20.02 | utab | MoDaX the last line of the command |
| 22:20.07 | MoDaX | utab: hmm, not good |
| 22:20.19 | karsten | EricBlade: I do believe that relevant organizational incentives _are_ part of the decision matrix. kthxbye |
| 22:20.19 | robin_sz | enouf, well, I got a bit on vinyl, more on CD, but im enjoying all the old footage on youtube a lot more .. theres some real old archive stuff |
| 22:20.23 | snowbird | did any one read my paste? |
| 22:20.27 | utab | MoDaX what does that mean |
| 22:20.29 | karsten | snowbird: Repeat. |
| 22:20.33 | abrotman | karsten: you eat yellow snow! |
| 22:20.41 | enouf | crap .. didn't even let me @!slap him karsten .. |
| 22:20.42 | snowbird | i have 20 gb unallocated partion |
| 22:20.46 | karsten | abrotman: Better than the brown stuff. |
| 22:20.47 | Trewas | karsten: btw xbox360 does not use nvidia chips anymore, there's no unholy allience between them |
| 22:21.00 | MoDaX | utab: dpkg -P --force-all xlibmesa-glu |
| 22:21.05 | abrotman | Trewas: they have .. and so has sony .. and they've both used ATI |
| 22:21.06 | karsten | Trewas: Ref? |
| 22:21.15 | snowbird | karsten |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | karsten: wikipedia .. don't be lazy |
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| 22:21.19 | enouf | robin_sz: I have most of it on albums .. getting a Denon real soon to tranfer to digital :-) |
| 22:21.35 | MoDaX | appearantly some upgrade issues have not been solved yet |
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| 22:21.40 | utab | MoDaX there are some packages that are installed and some to remove if you want I may paste |
| 22:21.45 | enouf | robin_sz: youtube .. you mean flashcrap stuff? |
| 22:21.51 | karsten | snowbird: Um. That wasn't fdisk output. |
| 22:22.02 | MoDaX | utab: no, say no |
| 22:22.08 | MoDaX | utab: do dpkg -P --force-all xlibmesa-glu |
| 22:22.09 | snowbird | ok |
| 22:22.21 | snowbird | what u want |
| 22:22.23 | MoDaX | snowbird: use cfdisk |
| 22:22.26 | snowbird | kk |
| 22:22.26 | Trewas | abrotman: sure, both nvidia and ati have worked with many large companies, so what? :) |
| 22:22.44 | robin_sz | enouf, well yeah, but since a lot of the originals were on crappy VHS, the flash is not the weakest link in the chain |
| 22:22.52 | abrotman | Trewas: i was just pointing out that MS has used nvidia in the xbox (not the 360) |
| 22:22.55 | maddash | I've compiled my own version of etch 2.6.18.3, but I can't load any of my old modules... |
| 22:22.55 | MoDaX | utab: now try aptitude dist-upgrade again |
| 22:23.00 | snowbird | got three in there my unallocated aint showing up |
| 22:23.07 | abrotman | Trewas: and Sony used Nvidia in PS3 while using ATI in PS2 |
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| 22:23.08 | robin_sz | enouf, and anyway, its the content thats important |
| 22:23.12 | karsten | snowbird: 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' |
| 22:23.29 | utab | MoDaX now aptitude dist-upgrade ok and will install new packages |
| 22:23.33 | Trewas | abrotman: yes, but I was just pointing out that there is not that close relationship between nvidia and microsoft like karsten implied |
| 22:23.34 | maddash | for instance, I specifically set CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO=m, but I can't find the corresponding ko module in /lib/modules/... |
| 22:23.41 | MoDaX | utab: ok |
| 22:23.45 | MoDaX | proceed |
| 22:23.47 | abrotman | Trewas: they still suck :) |
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| 22:24.12 | enouf | robin_sz: my ears are plenty for stimulation .. if you get my drift .. |
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| 22:24.33 | karsten | Trewas: Ah. ATI. |
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| 22:25.26 | snowbird | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5034. |
| 22:25.40 | snowbird | two are not there |
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| 22:25.59 | snowbird | karsten |
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| 22:26.25 | snowbird | /dev/hda5 |
| 22:26.27 | snowbird | not there |
| 22:26.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i eat apple ice cream |
| 22:26.42 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:26.57 | snowbird | any one got clues |
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| 22:27.03 | MoDaX | utab: how long will the process take? |
| 22:27.41 | juanma_ | hello, there are anyplace to look for anjuta2 on testing? |
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| 22:28.07 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 22:28.19 | abrotman | !info anjuta etch |
| 22:28.21 | dpkg | anjuta: (A GNOME development IDE for C/C++), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.4a-5 (etch), Packaged size: 912 kB, Installed size: 2040 kB |
| 22:28.27 | abrotman | i'm not even sure |
| 22:28.30 | abrotman | !info anjuta sid |
| 22:28.32 | dpkg | anjuta: (A GNOME development IDE for C/C++), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:1.2.4a-5 (sid), Packaged size: 912 kB, Installed size: 2040 kB |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | !info anjuta experimental |
| 22:28.51 | enouf | maddash: /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko |
| 22:28.53 | maddash | anyone know what's wrong with my compile? |
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| 22:29.01 | utab | MoDaX hell slow connection it shows nearly 2 hours |
| 22:29.02 | maddash | enouf: huh? |
| 22:29.02 | abrotman | 2 isn't packaged anywhere |
| 22:29.07 | juanma_ | neither sid? |
| 22:29.21 | utab | MoDaX %4 already :)) |
| 22:29.21 | maddash | enouf: er...did you read my question? |
| 22:29.27 | abrotman | juanma_: nope |
| 22:29.29 | enouf | maddash: didn't you say you couldn't find it? |
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| 22:29.34 | abrotman | juanma_: maybe apt-get.org |
| 22:29.43 | laktop | MoDaX: painfully, rebooting seems to have fixed the problem; i mean, i'm happy it's fixed, but fonts shouldn't be related to reboots, i'd think :/ |
| 22:29.49 | juanma_ | thanks abrotman |
| 22:29.50 | laktop | MoDaX: thanks for the help |
| 22:29.53 | maddash | enouf: I said I couldn't find it BECAUSE it didn't exist |
| 22:30.03 | MoDaX | utab: so I won't be around when it completes. just don't reboot until upgrade completes and you install a new kernel |
| 22:30.05 | maddash | enouf: if it did exist, of course I could find it on my own |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | juanma_: or ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 22:30.06 | enouf | maddash: then use a Debian kernel |
| 22:30.16 | maddash | enouf: did you read my question? |
| 22:30.29 | enouf | I caught the 2nd half only ... |
| 22:30.34 | maddash | maddash> I've compiled my own version etch 2.6.18.3, but I can't load any of my old modules... |
| 22:30.53 | MoDaX | laktop: em, you haven't rebooted for 200 days and etch is a moving target |
| 22:30.57 | utab | MoDaX I am not sure if I will wait, at the office connection rockets |
| 22:31.00 | maddash | <maddash> for instance, I specifically set CONFIG_X86_SPEEDSTEP_CENTRINO=m, but I can't find the corresponding ko module in /lib/modules/... |
| 22:31.07 | laktop | MoDaX: yeah, but fonts? |
| 22:31.09 | samuel | what package contains the alsa mixer settings save/restore daemon? |
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| 22:31.26 | enouf | that's the part I orig caught |
| 22:31.35 | MoDaX | laktop: probably some old lib still lurking around in the memory |
| 22:31.46 | maddash | enouf: any new ideas? |
| 22:31.47 | Guerin | maddash: ask a kernel channel, not here |
| 22:31.48 | laktop | yeah |
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| 22:32.05 | maddash | guerin: I am, it's kind of slow there |
| 22:32.28 | maddash | guerin: being that it's etch i compiled, i think it's obvious the relevance to debian.... |
| 22:32.29 | Guerin | maddash: well, #debain pretty much supports debian kernels, not yours. |
| 22:32.34 | enouf | maddash: not sure .. dusing initramfs-tools ? did you do make_modules install? |
| 22:32.46 | enouf | er s/dusing/using |
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| 22:33.00 | snowbird | any one got ideas? |
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| 22:33.03 | Guerin | maddash: you don't compile etch, debian compiles it for you. If you compile it yourself chances are it ain't debian any more. |
| 22:33.07 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 22:33.07 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:33.18 | MoDaX | utab: don't reboot. gnome/kde won't start |
| 22:33.29 | maddash | enouf: ah. sounds like I missed that part...make-kpkg make_modules? |
| 22:33.34 | utab | MoDaX right you are |
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| 22:33.46 | enouf | maddash: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 22:33.56 | utab | MoDaX then I have to wait |
| 22:34.16 | MoDaX | utab: because we did a few force removals. almost everything depends on libfam |
| 22:34.26 | MoDaX | (desktop related) |
| 22:34.28 | jetscreamer | make-kpkg --targets |
| 22:34.38 | jetscreamer | fam blows |
| 22:34.56 | utab | MoDaX: I will have to wait then |
| 22:35.19 | MoDaX | utab: yes |
| 22:35.24 | samuel | /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: debian/rules: /usr/bin/make: bad interpreter: Permission denied? im doing it as root? permission denied? |
| 22:35.24 | utab | MoDaX %10 not bad :) |
| 22:35.33 | jetscreamer | !info gamin |
| 22:35.34 | maddash | jetscreamer: so make-kpkg modules compiles w/e modules I selected in make menuconfig? |
| 22:35.36 | dpkg | gamin: (File and directory monitoring system), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 22:35.50 | jetscreamer | maddash: no, that's for 3rd party modules i believe |
| 22:36.16 | maddash | jetscreamer: 3rd party = "/usr/src/modules/"? |
| 22:36.22 | amphi | maddash: yeah, for out-of-tree modules |
| 22:36.34 | maddash | amphi: what about in-tree modules? |
| 22:36.35 | jetscreamer | yes maddash |
| 22:36.57 | amphi | maddash: make-kpkg kernel-image does that |
| 22:37.03 | jetscreamer | just doing a regular compile does the in-tree.. what amphi said |
| 22:37.18 | enouf | amphi: jetscreamer possible no mkae oldconfig was done? .. since there's mention of "old modules" |
| 22:37.32 | jetscreamer | you use initrd / supplied --initrd on the make-kpkg line? |
| 22:37.41 | LinuxHelp | Is it possible to have multiple monitor support when running X on the framebuffer? |
| 22:37.50 | utab | MoDaX thx, I will notify you soon |
| 22:37.59 | jetscreamer | make menuconfig takes care of that enouf , iirc |
| 22:38.13 | maddash | jetscreamer: so if I set one of the standard modules, like speedstep-centirno or ibm-acpi, it ought to show up inside the deb package I created, right? ie, it ought to automatically install to /lib/modules/[...]/, right? |
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| 22:38.46 | amphi | maddash: yup |
| 22:38.52 | jetscreamer | it 'should' as long as it's done correctly |
| 22:39.00 | enouf | ok jetscreamer .. thanks .. |
| 22:39.32 | maddash | jetscreamer: how incorrectly could it be done, via menuconfig? setting the "m" to "y"? |
| 22:39.53 | jetscreamer | grep the .config |
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| 22:40.32 | kraehe | moin |
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| 22:41.00 | Mark_Iron | moin kraehe |
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| 22:41.26 | kraehe | i was trying to upgrade from Sarge+backport(Xorg) to Etch ... but failed: the mouse does'nt move and the ATI(r200 chipset) has no 3D accelleration |
| 22:42.07 | maddash | jetscreamer: ok, I've got CONFIG_ACPI_IBM=y, and I assume that means that ibm acpi extras are compiled *into* the kernel...so does that kill off any chance I have at finding it in /lib/modules? |
| 22:42.13 | Guerin | kraehe: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 22:42.45 | satHan | anyone else having problems with OpenGL with the latest sid X.org? |
| 22:42.50 | Mark_Iron | LinuxHelp: I am runnig a ThinkPad A31p with two TFTs ... 1600x1200 (15" a31p) and 1920x1200 (Eizo s2410w) |
| 22:42.53 | Guerin | satHan: BTS |
| 22:43.14 | maddash | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.51 | kraehe | any idea, why a logitech-usb mouse could hang (xorg loads, wm starts - but mouse does not move)? |
| 22:44.08 | kraehe | and what do you mean with this /msg dpkg drxx? |
| 22:44.24 | abrotman | !mousedev |
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| 22:44.24 | dpkg | This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
| 22:44.57 | enouf | kraehe: type that into your irc client |
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| 22:45.14 | FeNRiR | oeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:45.30 | Cholito | ?? |
| 22:45.36 | FeNRiR | ^^ |
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| 22:46.11 | amphi | what is it about rime-tde? |
| 22:46.28 | kraehe | ok ... weeboot |
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| 22:47.07 | karsten | snowbird: Sorry? |
| 22:47.13 | snowbird | ok |
| 22:47.23 | snowbird | reebooted grub 17 error |
| 22:47.32 | karsten | snowbird: ... and been busy, not paying super-close attention particularly if you're not snappy w/ response |
| 22:47.33 | enouf | maddash: try ##kernel .. and here's an overall good source of info http://lxr.linux.no/source/ .. though also see wiki.debian.org .. I think you may have an oldconfig issue if you're trying t ouse modules built against an older/diff kernel .. but I could be very worng too |
| 22:47.47 | snowbird | soory |
| 22:48.11 | Cuddles_in_KY | ok folks, still having a little trouble here. |
| 22:48.18 | abrotman | you're in KY... |
| 22:48.48 | enouf | maddash: one more .. apt-cache show linux-doc-2.6.18 |
| 22:49.05 | Cuddles_in_KY | is there -any- way to stop the system from turning off the monitor? commenting out the DPMS line didn't help, just made it take longer before it blanks out. |
| 22:49.13 | snowbird | karsten |
| 22:49.16 | Cuddles_in_KY | abrotman, yes, i am. |
| 22:49.36 | abrotman | Cuddles_in_KY: you actually have to set the DPMS to 'off' |
| 22:49.43 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 22:49.43 | dpkg | it has been said that dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 22:49.47 | enouf | Cuddles_in_KY: using a DE like kde or gnome? |
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| 22:50.07 | Cuddles_in_KY | enouf, fluxbox actually. |
| 22:50.28 | enouf | Cuddles_in_KY: see abrotman's and dpkg's comments |
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| 22:50.50 | acemo | I am not sure wich distro to use.. Kubuntu or Debian, depending on what should i pick wich distro? |
| 22:51.06 | Cuddles_in_KY | enouf, trying that method again. but it didn't work the last time. |
| 22:51.08 | dondelelcaro | acemo: this is #debian; we're biased... |
| 22:51.12 | karsten | acemo: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/linux-new.html |
| 22:51.20 | LinuxHelp | My framebuffer only starts on one monitor, how can I enable it on my second monitor from the console? |
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| 22:51.33 | RogerBacon | anyone have read this ?: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt |
| 22:51.37 | acemo | dondelelcaro what do u mean with you are biased? |
| 22:51.42 | karsten | acemo: Ubuntu == hitting release schedule, package selection, polish. |
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| 22:51.56 | tarzeau | karsten: now that i've seen the same linke over and over within an hour from you, i see how annoying it is |
| 22:52.11 | karsten | acemo: Debian == when it's ready, technical proficiency, many more packages. |
| 22:52.13 | karsten | tarzeau: ? |
| 22:52.22 | abrotman | RogerBacon: does that apply to debian ? :) |
| 22:52.25 | enouf | !dict bias |
| 22:52.25 | tarzeau | karsten: who cares about ubuntu in here? |
| 22:52.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'bias' (4 of 17): . Bias \Bi"as\, a. 1. Inclined to one side; swelled on one side. [Obs.] --Shak. ;; . Bias \Bi"as\, adv. In a slanting manner; crosswise; obliquely; diagonally; as, to cut cloth bias. ;; 2. A leaning of the mind; propensity or prepossession toward an object or view, not leaving the mind indifferent; bent; inclination. ;; 2. Cut slanting or diagonally, as cloth.. |
| 22:52.38 | karsten | acemo: If you're newer to Linux, I'd tend to point you at Ubuntu. Debian's my pref. |
| 22:52.45 | mx-zoom | hey...I kinda screwed up something. I was going to remove /usr/local/beryl but for some reason unknow to me (have I mention that I am stupid as hell) I pressed tab and /bin came up... I only noticed it after the harm had been done. what kind of files were in there. have I lost anything critical? |
| 22:52.46 | RogerBacon | abrotman : indirectly, yes |
| 22:52.48 | Guerin | RogerBacon: everyone who reads /. has seen it |
| 22:52.59 | Guerin | RogerBacon: it doesn't apply one whit to debian |
| 22:53.02 | mx-zoom | lol... yes I am embarassed |
| 22:53.03 | karmatronic | acemo, if you re new you should turn to debian ! |
| 22:53.08 | karsten | tarzeau: What's "it' that's annoying? |
| 22:53.14 | RogerBacon | because the hardware will be designed for windows vista .. |
| 22:53.18 | tarzeau | karsten: to see the same link over and over |
| 22:53.20 | acemo | ive been using kubuntu for one and a half year now |
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| 22:53.29 | tarzeau | karsten: besides i'd also recommend debian to people new to linux |
| 22:53.41 | tarzeau | karsten: because with ubuntu you won't learn anything, it's for users |
| 22:53.53 | karsten | tarzeau: Would you rather I posted the 40+ pages of text? |
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| 22:54.06 | tarzeau | karsten: of course not |
| 22:54.10 | acemo | thinking i should have enough basic knowledge now, im trying to find the right distro for me |
| 22:54.11 | karmatronic | acemo,using ubuntu will make you think debian is complicated |
| 22:54.18 | abrotman | it will ? |
| 22:54.25 | kraehe | *hm* both idea failed ... to cryptic |
| 22:54.28 | tarzeau | karsten: no it won't |
| 22:54.34 | tarzeau | karmatronic: no it won't |
| 22:54.34 | kraehe | what is drxx? |
| 22:54.36 | karsten | acemo: Recommend you take a look at that link. If you have any remaining questions /join #debian-offtopic |
| 22:54.38 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 22:54.38 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 22:54.38 | tarzeau | !drxx |
| 22:54.45 | abrotman | karsten: !! |
| 22:54.54 | acemo | karma, if thats true, im going debian xD |
| 22:54.55 | karsten | abrotman: :: |
| 22:54.56 | kraehe | and i dont have a mousedev kernel module ... only usbmouse |
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| 22:55.00 | acemo | i like complicated ^^ |
| 22:55.02 | abrotman | karsten: $_ |
| 22:55.15 | karmatronic | acemo, glad i ve convinced you :) |
| 22:55.23 | karsten | abrotman: .. |
| 22:55.23 | Guerin | debian isn't complicated |
| 22:55.27 | Eclipser | foo |
| 22:55.31 | abrotman | lasdfasef! |
| 22:55.36 | Guerin | all debian systems are to ensure robustness and simplicity |
| 22:55.40 | Guerin | to make hard things easy |
| 22:55.42 | karsten | !lose abrotman |
| 22:55.43 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 22:55.48 | karmatronic | guerin , debian is simple actually so why use ubuntu |
| 22:55.48 | Eclipser | debian sid gtkmm claims to be 2.10 but it doesn't have Gtk::StatusIcon |
| 22:55.49 | abrotman | !nopony karsten |
| 22:55.49 | dpkg | karsten: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 22:55.52 | Eclipser | lame :< |
| 22:55.56 | kraehe | abrotman: i dont want the bot answer ... but what is drxx ? its not installable with apt-get install drxx |
| 22:56.10 | Guerin | karmatronic: ubuntu makes decisions for you. If you like that, it's a benefit. |
| 22:56.12 | Eclipser | or :o |
| 22:56.18 | Eclipser | have I updated or not |
| 22:56.20 | Eclipser | the big question :> |
| 22:56.25 | abrotman | kraehe: no kidding .. it's a shortcut we use to tell you about `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86` or similar |
| 22:56.37 | kraehe | i did |
| 22:56.40 | karmatronic | Guerin, if you dont want to understand what you re doing, yeah you could use ubuntu |
| 22:56.42 | kraehe | X -configure |
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| 22:57.01 | Guerin | karmatronic: not really. You can learn as much on ubuntu as anything else ... the internals are all the same. |
| 22:57.07 | Guerin | karmatronic: you just have to try harder. |
| 22:57.18 | tarzeau | Guerin: they're a bit more screwed in ubuntu |
| 22:57.21 | Guerin | karmatronic: X -configure doesn't count |
| 22:57.22 | Eclipser | arf duh |
| 22:57.25 | Eclipser | nevermind, stupid me |
| 22:57.38 | Guerin | kraehe: |
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| 22:57.46 | karmatronic | guerin , really what bothers me about ubuntu is that apt doesnt work so well |
| 22:58.03 | abrotman | kraehe: no .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or whatever .. not X -configure |
| 22:58.17 | karmatronic | debian packages are better , so really it s simpler to use when you re newby |
| 22:58.27 | Eclipser | where can I see the status of gtkmm 2.10 if it's on its way and if not, what should I do to request it? |
| 22:58.41 | Guerin | karmatronic: file bugs at ubuntu, but there's no use in talking about it in here. |
| 22:58.43 | tarzeau | Eclipser: check p.d.o |
| 22:59.00 | maddash | .. |
| 22:59.02 | maddash | weird |
| 22:59.07 | karmatronic | Guerin, you re right |
| 22:59.29 | tarzeau | Guerin: i want to give you a pony |
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| 22:59.41 | enouf | kraehe: 'drxx' is for cofiguring/reconfiguring installed X packages .. perhaps you need to install some .. so .. /msg dpkg setup x |
| 22:59.41 | Guerin | tarzeau: all ponies gratefully accepted. |
| 22:59.50 | Guerin | unfortunately I can't collect it., |
| 22:59.50 | gravity | heh |
| 22:59.53 | tarzeau | Guerin: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/pony.jpg |
| 22:59.55 | karmatronic | maddash,compiled new kernel ? |
| 22:59.59 | Guerin | well, I can, but not from .ch |
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| 23:00.05 | Eclipser | tarzeau, 2.10 isn't in sid (I use sid) and p.d.o doesn't find any matches from experimental |
| 23:00.07 | kmag | so I'm having some trouble debugging start-stop-daemon... |
| 23:00.08 | maddash | karmatronic: yep, but I can't find my modules |
| 23:00.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: :( |
| 23:00.19 | tarzeau | Eclipser: then it's not there. make it |
| 23:00.21 | kmag | does start-stop-daemon change LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 23:00.46 | maddash | karmatronic: ie, the stuff in my old etch (/lib/modules/`uname -r old etch`/...) is not in /lib/modules/`uname -r new etch` |
| 23:00.59 | kraehe | i now did: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:01.04 | Guerin | Eclipser: UTSL |
| 23:01.05 | karsten | OT: NYTimes recommendations on protecting your computer from malware: Using a non-Windows-based PC may be one defense against these programs, known as malware http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/07/technology/07tips.html?_r=1&oref=slogin |
| 23:01.15 | Eclipser | gah, this channel is so cryptic :> |
| 23:01.16 | abrotman | spammer! |
| 23:01.17 | maddash | karmatronic: I think it's b/c I set the modules I wanted from "m" to "y" |
| 23:01.18 | karsten | pwhysalldickwad/pwhysalldickwad user/pass |
| 23:01.21 | kraehe | answerd the questions ... but still ... mouse does not move ... X is without r200 dri |
| 23:01.30 | Guerin | karsten: world realises what others have known for decades, film at 11 |
| 23:01.43 | maddash | guerin: hah. nice. |
| 23:01.48 | karsten | Guerin: The fact that they're actually recommending it in print is nice. |
| 23:02.00 | Guerin | karsten: in the NYT, weekend edition, too |
| 23:02.18 | amphi | maddash: 'y' means compile monolithically, not as a module |
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| 23:02.40 | Guerin | kraehe: /msg dpkg xmd5; try that |
| 23:03.09 | Guerin | kraehe: you may need to purge all x config and start again. Is your DRI standard, or do you have to compile some retarded module for it? |
| 23:03.11 | karsten | Guerin: Da. |
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| 23:03.46 | GudyX2 | how can I reset the apache2 config. files? I've removed them and tried to apt-get remove / install , but my default apache2.conf file is not added back ... I also tried to dpkg-reconfigure about any apache2 package ... What am I missing? |
| 23:04.13 | Guerin | yay, police thwarted a mass-killing only a few dozen KM from my house! |
| 23:04.19 | maddash | amphi: if it compiles monolithically, then it ought to run automatically, right? |
| 23:04.27 | Guerin | (by shooting the guy's leg to bits) |
| 23:04.51 | kraehe | guerin: OpenGL should become standard ati/r200 free tungsten driver ... not the non free broken fglrx |
| 23:04.57 | amphi | maddash: what 'it'? |
| 23:05.08 | Guerin | kraehe: patches welcome, I'm sure |
| 23:05.28 | maddash | amphi: various modules from make menuconfig, like ibm-acpi and speedstep-centrino |
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| 23:05.54 | Guerin | maddash: why are you using your own kernel? Use a debian kernel. |
| 23:06.04 | Guerin | istr speedstep-centrino being built in |
| 23:06.05 | amphi | maddash: yeah, at least WRT speedstep_centrino |
| 23:06.14 | maddash | guerin: read my msgs. I recompiled etch 2.6.18.3 |
| 23:06.19 | amphi | maddash: ibm-acpi I've only had as a module |
| 23:06.22 | Guerin | maddash: i did. WHy? |
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| 23:06.26 | Guerin | maddash: for fun? |
| 23:06.43 | maddash | guerin: p/m optimizations. the 686 version only does p/pro optimizing |
| 23:06.45 | Guerin | and why would you build a .18 kernel nowadays? |
| 23:06.51 | amphi | maddash: you should have /proc/acpi/ibm and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq with both those loaded |
| 23:06.54 | Guerin | maddash: you lose. |
| 23:06.56 | kraehe | guerin: dpkg-reconfigure changed the /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 23:07.09 | elik | Hi, I recently moved and my original repository is pretty slow... I would to find a faster repository for me... So far, I didnt even find a full list of debian repository? |
| 23:07.29 | Guerin | kraehe: ok. |
| 23:07.29 | elik | Is there only in the installer where there is a list of repositories sorted by location? |
| 23:07.29 | Guerin | !mirrors |
| 23:07.30 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 23:07.30 | kraehe | i'm not upgrading from sarge/xfree but try to upgrade from backport xorg to etch xorg |
| 23:07.31 | amphi | maddash: if you're building your own pentium m kernel, you might as well go for the undervolting patch too ;) |
| 23:07.33 | maddash | guerin: what did I lose? |
| 23:07.46 | maddash | amphi: would that break my machine? |
| 23:07.53 | amphi | maddash: no |
| 23:08.06 | Guerin | maddash: hours of your life which would have been better spent doing something else, instead of the futility of rebuilding a kernel for nil performance gain. |
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| 23:08.23 | maddash | guerin: various patches as well... |
| 23:08.28 | Guerin | amphi: mm, that's not a bad plan for the battery life win |
| 23:08.48 | amphi | Guerin: and temp; it went from 70+C under load to barely 50C |
| 23:08.57 | Guerin | maddash: ok, so you didn't actually build an etch kernel at all - you built some unsupportable bastardisation of a kernel which #debain can't help you with. Next, please. |
| 23:09.09 | Guerin | amphi: how much of a difference does it make for speed? |
| 23:09.19 | amphi | Guerin: none that I can see |
| 23:09.24 | amphi | maddash: https://www.dedigentoo.org/trac/linux-phc/wiki |
| 23:09.35 | maddash | amphi: well, I'm pretty sure the speedstep_centrino that was compiled monolithically into my etch isn't running...."sudo find / -iname cpufreq" doesn't return "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/" |
| 23:09.41 | amphi | maddash: that patch applies cleanly to debian 2.6.18 source |
| 23:09.51 | kraehe | dmesg tells: radeon_cp_init called without lock held |
| 23:09.58 | maddash | guerin: I'm using make-kpkg and it's killing me |
| 23:10.09 | amphi | maddash: well, of course not - does /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq exist? |
| 23:10.10 | Guerin | maddash: make-kpkg isn't the problem. |
| 23:10.17 | GudyX2 | anyone knows which package creates the apache2.conf file? |
| 23:10.20 | elik | Anyone know where I could find the closest repository from my new location? |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | apache2-common |
| 23:10.25 | maddash | amphi: that it did not exist was my point... |
| 23:10.37 | amphi | maddash: oops, I misread ;) |
| 23:10.40 | maddash | amphi: do you mind if I /msg you? guerin seems to be on edge as of late |
| 23:10.49 | amphi | of late?? |
| 23:10.50 | Guerin | elik: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 23:10.57 | elik | mirrors, wow |
| 23:11.05 | elik | thought they called that repositories |
| 23:11.08 | elik | trhx |
| 23:11.09 | elik | -r |
| 23:11.18 | stoned | suppositories? |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | +anks ? |
| 23:11.24 | Guerin | maddash: I'm not on edge, I'm telling you your homebake kernel isn't supportable in here and you should piss off ans ask someone else. |
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| 23:11.29 | GudyX2 | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure apache2-common doesn't re-create it ... any idea? |
| 23:11.30 | amphi | Guerin: it just allows you to reduce the voltage for each supported freq - I used mprime to find functional minimum voltages |
| 23:11.43 | abrotman | !tell GudyX2 about confmiss |
| 23:11.58 | kraehe | so any idea, how to fix the broken mouse, or to get the r200/tungsten driver running ? |
| 23:12.03 | elik | stoned and abrotman, nice |
| 23:12.26 | magic_stone | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.32 | GudyX2 | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 23:12.46 | abrotman | !tell magic_stone about search |
| 23:12.50 | magic_stone | and the file is there lol |
| 23:12.51 | elik | stoned and abrotman, you often answered my question... are you good with encodings? been struggling with a file name problem for 4 days and it's still not solved |
| 23:12.56 | magic_stone | o0 |
| 23:12.57 | magic_stone | 0o |
| 23:12.58 | magic_stone | :x |
| 23:13.11 | Guerin | !enter |
| 23:13.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 23:13.12 | abrotman | elik: that's not a real question |
| 23:13.22 | maddash | amphi: so speedstep_centrino should run on its own, but it isn't...what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:13.37 | Guerin | maddash: building your own kernel without the requisite expertise. |
| 23:13.39 | elik | abrotman, ok, here it comes |
| 23:13.47 | maddash | guerin: bite me. |
| 23:13.52 | Guerin | maddash: already did. |
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| 23:14.35 | elik | abrotman, might take some time though |
| 23:14.48 | maddash | guerin: if you've got some emotional problem or grudge, take it to your therapist. I never asked for your help, nor will I ever. So /ignore me if you find my msgs in the way, and stop embarassing yourself. |
| 23:15.00 | amphi | maddash: what does "grep -i centrino /boot/config-`uname -r`" say? |
| 23:15.22 | Guerin | maddash: I don't have any of the problems you'd like to imagine are behind my objection to your REPEATED and SUSTAINED retarded offtopicness. |
| 23:16.11 | maddash | amphi: good god - I can't find my config... |
| 23:16.11 | stoned | both of you stop waving your dicks around |
| 23:16.11 | stoned | no one cares |
| 23:16.43 | maddash | stoned: read the msgs. I haven't "waved my dick around" until guerin gave me a gratuitous insult. |
| 23:16.49 | stoned | shhh... |
| 23:17.08 | Guerin | maddash: this is not #kernelnewbies. That's my only point. |
| 23:17.55 | amphi | maddash: did you actually install the kernel you built with make-kpkg? ;) |
| 23:17.55 | stoned | shhh... |
| 23:17.55 | stoned | wtf |
| 23:17.55 | stoned | goddamn up arrow key |
| 23:17.55 | maddash | amphi: god, I just sudo aptitude purged it. hold on, let me re-make-kpkg... |
| 23:17.56 | enouf | light up already |
| 23:17.56 | stoned | hold on man |
| 23:17.56 | stoned | trying to pack a bowl |
| 23:17.56 | abrotman | elik: i'm walking out the door |
| 23:17.56 | stoned | will light up soon |
| 23:18.03 | elik | abrotman, :( |
| 23:18.04 | amphi | maddash: the deb should still exist - are you drunk? |
| 23:18.04 | enouf | pass it around .. is my point |
| 23:18.08 | abrotman | elik: ask the whole channel |
| 23:18.16 | elik | abrotman, ok, I'll catch you later :P |
| 23:18.20 | stoned | abrotman, where you goin? |
| 23:18.27 | stoned | abrotman, you goin to the park? |
| 23:18.28 | abrotman | food time :) |
| 23:18.32 | elik | abrotman, I asked yesterday and noone could realy figure it out... |
| 23:18.36 | maddash | amphi: no, I just remembered that was in the process of recompiling, this time with "m" instead of "y" for ibm-acpi and speedstep-centrino |
| 23:18.40 | elik | abrotman, maybe stoned will be able :P |
| 23:18.47 | abrotman | elik: well . i'll be back in a bit .. |
| 23:18.58 | abrotman | elik: if noone solves it .. just ding me .. and i'll look when i return |
| 23:18.59 | elik | abrotman, it's ok, not holding you :P |
| 23:19.01 | maddash | s/that was/that I was |
| 23:19.09 | stoned | elik, try not to single people out. Ask the whole channel. |
| 23:19.16 | elik | yes |
| 23:19.31 | elik | I'm writting the whole story in a text file as I'm tired to rewrite it :P |
| 23:19.37 | amphi | maddash: modules are fine; just mpdprobe 'em and stick 'em in /etc/modules - speedstep_centrino should load automatically I think, but the governator modules may need to be in there |
| 23:19.38 | stoned | lol |
| 23:19.41 | karmatronic | abrotman s got a fame |
| 23:19.56 | stoned | watch |
| 23:19.56 | stoned | !debstats |
| 23:19.57 | dpkg | i guess debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 23:20.28 | maddash | amphi: gotcha. can I get back to you later? 20 min <= time(recompile) <= 30 min |
| 23:20.44 | amphi | maddash: I may be here still |
| 23:20.56 | stoned | I used to be #2 for a while, but never beat this abrotman guy, hes on from home AND work, he isn't normal. |
| 23:21.21 | maddash | stoned: how's that possible? what about in-between? |
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| 23:21.26 | karmatronic | ok stoned i ll put you #2 on my ranking |
| 23:21.28 | timthelion | hmm, is there a way to make it so that duing an apt get upgrade, the cached .debs are delleted as they are unpacked? |
| 23:21.44 | timthelion | I have 20 megs of free disk space. |
| 23:21.51 | maddash | timthelion: sudo apt-cache clean? |
| 23:21.53 | stoned | karmatronic, awe. |
| 23:21.59 | maddash | timthelion: apt-get one at a time? |
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| 23:22.47 | timthelion | well if I did clean, it would just download the packages again and run out |
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| 23:23.13 | maddash | timthelion: what's your swappiness? maybe you could utilize some from swap... |
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| 23:23.27 | stoned | wasn't it Tim the Enchanter? |
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| 23:23.39 | stoned | There are some who call me... Tim? |
| 23:24.20 | minerale | Ok, I'm told by someone to check my iowait using `sar` searchandrescue, I installed it but it seems to be a game -- and the package `sar` does not exist, anyone know what the `sar` for hard drive is named ? |
| 23:24.51 | su_maddash | god. debian's so freakin' fast and small. |
| 23:25.37 | su_maddash | the default etch installed boots in 13 sec |
| 23:25.54 | su_maddash | compared to windows, which takes 26 sec. |
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| 23:26.06 | su_maddash | and ubuntu, which takes 79 sec. |
| 23:26.12 | timthelion | su_maddash: you obviosly don't have a 3 gig hardrive and a pentium 2 |
| 23:26.47 | timthelion | it takes 50 secconds here, windows took about 2 minuts |
| 23:26.49 | su_maddash | timthelion: I used to. :P. what vers are you using? |
| 23:26.53 | timthelion | ubuntu don't install |
| 23:26.58 | su_maddash | LOL |
| 23:27.10 | timthelion | su_maddash: I am using sed |
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| 23:27.54 | timthelion | su_maddash: if you wan't fast and small. go net bsd! |
| 23:28.31 | timthelion | that boots in about 3 secconds, though it doesn't load any hardware support, having none |
| 23:28.57 | elik | I have two computers: desktop and laptop. Both have mutliboot with linux and WinXP. I was moving and took my laptop with me. I needed data from my desktop and my laptop hard drive was too small, so I purchased an external hard drive. I wanted to make it ext3 as I mainly work on linux... I copied some of the stuff on it with my linux desktop, namely my mp3 directory which contains accents (I'm french). I will call that encoding 1. After tha |
| 23:28.57 | elik | t, I found ext2ifs, which allowed me to mount ext partitions on Windows, so I copied some of my stuff on the hard drive from windows, namely my gf's directory. We'll call that encoding 2. When I mount the hard drive on windows, encoding 1 shows up correctly, but encoding 2 messes up. If I mount it on linux, it's the other way around. I want to make it consistant.... |
| 23:29.05 | elik | there you go stonned :D |
| 23:29.11 | su_maddash | timthelion: too complex for a newb like me...plus, I'm not sure that | sizeof(*bsd.repos) | >= |sizeof(debian.repose)| /2 |
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| 23:31.20 | timthelion | elik: so you can see the gf stuff on linux but not the mp3 |
| 23:32.44 | timthelion | elik: you there? |
| 23:32.45 | elik | timthelion, actually, I can see all the stuff |
| 23:33.01 | elik | timthelion, yes, sry, Also trying to find a new debian repository |
| 23:33.04 | timthelion | elik: so you lied? you still having any troubles |
| 23:33.11 | elik | timthelion, the thing, is the encoding |
| 23:33.20 | elik | timthelion, name are not showing up correctly |
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| 23:33.34 | timthelion | ah, unicode problems |
| 23:33.51 | timthelion | what happens if you do apt-get install rxvt-unicode |
| 23:33.55 | timthelion | then type urxvt |
| 23:34.01 | elik | let me see that |
| 23:34.02 | timthelion | then cd /the drive |
| 23:34.06 | timthelion | then ls |
| 23:34.08 | elik | karmatronic, sra pas long |
| 23:34.30 | elik | timthelion, let me try that |
| 23:35.57 | elik | karmatronic, name already registered |
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| 23:36.43 | elik22 | ok, sry for this nick change, previous nick wasnt registered |
| 23:37.33 | timthelion | is there a relational filesystem in development? |
| 23:37.57 | dendrite | timthelion: What is a relational FS? |
| 23:38.16 | timthelion | dendrite: one that instead of having folders, you have each file in a catagory |
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| 23:38.45 | elik22 | timthelion, this urxvt help me see filenames with different encodings |
| 23:38.54 | timthelion | dendrite: an email might be taged with 'userfiles' 'timothy' 'mail' 'personal' 'linux' |
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| 23:39.21 | elik22 | timthelion, it aint helping |
| 23:39.35 | timthelion | elik22: ok, so the names are still messed up? |
| 23:39.45 | grummund | hi, in exim4 where would be the correct place to set hosts_treat_as_local ? |
| 23:40.13 | elik22 | timthelion, yes |
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| 23:40.17 | dendrite | timthelion: Hmm. Interesting. Are you familiar with the OS X's Spotlight? |
| 23:40.41 | timthelion | dendrite: yes, it is a search program, just like msn or google desktop right? |
| 23:40.46 | timthelion | dendrite: or beagle |
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| 23:40.56 | dendrite | timthelion: Right, it indexes local data. |
| 23:41.13 | timthelion | dendrite: yes, but that has little or nothing to do with a relational filesystem |
| 23:41.18 | dendrite | timthelion: So, how is, say, Beagle different? |
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| 23:41.36 | timthelion | dendrite: from what? |
| 23:41.51 | Danamania | have I done something daft with this sources.list (attempting a move from sarge->etch) - http://www.danamania.com/temp/sources.txt |
| 23:41.56 | dendrite | timthelion: From the subject of our conversation; relational databases. |
| 23:42.06 | elik22 | timthelion, any idea? |
| 23:42.30 | timthelion | dendrite: a relational filesystem might have a folder called linux, and a folder called mail both folders would contain the message that was marked with both 'linux' and 'mail' |
| 23:42.57 | dendrite | timthelion: Ah. Sounds chaotic. |
| 23:43.26 | timthelion | elik22: no, but I think you need to have something somewhere telling urxvt to use a font that supports western unicode |
| 23:44.14 | elik22 | timthelion, that wont fix my windows problem |
| 23:44.19 | MatBoy | wow, xfce is really great on Debian ! |
| 23:44.30 | timthelion | elik22: no, it won't |
| 23:44.31 | elik22 | timthelion, and the fact I'm using two encodings on the same hard drive |
| 23:44.33 | dendrite | timthelion: relfs? |
| 23:44.43 | elik22 | timthelion, so the other dir will be messed up |
| 23:44.53 | dendrite | timthelion: (Not in Debian) |
| 23:45.01 | timthelion | elik22: you need to change the mp3's to western unicode I think, |
| 23:45.03 | karmatronic | MatBoy, yeah especially when you add some launchers on desktop |
| 23:45.14 | MatBoy | karmatronic, and damn fast ! |
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| 23:45.21 | MatBoy | no resources used |
| 23:45.25 | MatBoy | in idle |
| 23:45.37 | MatBoy | and everything works |
| 23:45.40 | MatBoy | like HPtools |
| 23:45.43 | MatBoy | for printers |
| 23:45.52 | karmatronic | MatBoy, yeah it s cool but when you have choice m i prefer gnome |
| 23:46.13 | MatBoy | karmatronic, gnome is not nice with 4 screens |
| 23:46.15 | elik22 | timthelion, western unicode, what is that? |
| 23:46.20 | elik22 | timthelion, iso8859-1? |
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| 23:47.48 | wathek | hello all |
| 23:48.05 | wathek | how can I add a new printer to cups without using the CGI interface ? |
| 23:49.42 | dendrite | wathek: man printers.conf |
| 23:49.47 | wathek | ok |
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| 23:50.31 | setog3 | hi all I don't ffind apache2-ssl-certificate .. on unstable |
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| 23:50.39 | setog3 | how can I create apache.perm ? |
| 23:50.47 | setog3 | with ssl-cert ? |
| 23:50.50 | wathek | dendrite, do I need the ppd file in the ppd/ too ? |
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| 23:51.32 | dendrite | wathek: I'd guess so, but I don't know, since I use the CGI tool. |
| 23:51.33 | setog3 | apache.pem not perm |
| 23:51.42 | wathek | dendrite, ok |
| 23:52.45 | elik22 | abrotman, :( |
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| 23:54.48 | Cholito | how is that webmin allows a normal user to install packages, stop services (well, as he would be a su) |
| 23:55.33 | rBo3Db | my fresh etch (dist-upgrade) is irresponsive to keyboard layouts specified in xorg.conf (en,ru,lt), entries copied from XF86Config-4... what do I miss?.. |
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| 23:56.02 | snowbird | how do i reinstall grub |
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| 23:57.04 | wakejagr | snowbird: you mean, if your mbr has been overwritten? grub-install |
| 23:57.13 | minerale | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.24 | snowbird | i booted up to kanotix |
| 23:57.26 | robin_sz | Cholito, because various bits of webmin are stuid root |
| 23:57.38 | robin_sz | Cholito, because various bits of webmin are setuid root |
| 23:57.42 | snowbird | wakejagr |
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| 23:58.34 | snowbird | then what |
| 23:59.05 | wakejagr | snowbird: probably the best thing to do is to chroot to your hd install, then run grub-install within the chroot |
| 23:59.10 | yetifoot | hi, i'm thinking of ordering the sarge 3.1r4 CD's, as i am on dialup, will it be easy to upgrade to etch from them when its released (considering i'm on dialup)? Or would people recommend i wait it out until etch is done? |
| 23:59.23 | robin_sz | Cholito, so, whoever can access and authenticate themsoeves as a webmin user can hove root-like powers, through the setuid bits of webmin ... this is why many administrators wont have webmin near their boxes |
| 23:59.47 | elik22 | snowbird, just make sure your filesystem is mounted in read and write, otherwise grub-install wont work |
