| 00:01.08 | twobitsprite | it mentions looking in the xkb directory, but I guess I don't have xkb installed, and I can't figure out which package to installed... |
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| 00:05.37 | secher | Slightly OT, but I have this spiffy USB pendrive. It's currently unformated. I need it to be read on Windows(tm) also. What FS ought I to use? Is there a *universal* fs? |
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| 00:05.52 | daxxar | Bah. Reinstalled, and now I just realized my homedir was on a cryptdrive, and I can't seem to get the password right. :-P |
| 00:06.21 | daxxar | Problem with having 330 days uptime (that's how long ago it is since I last entered the passphrase) and not a physical copy. ;-) |
| 00:06.46 | secher | daxxar: That /sucks/. GL man, for sure. |
| 00:07.30 | daxxar | And there's no proper way to automate passphrase-entry with cryptsetup, seems using '-d -' and giving it the passphrase on stdin *is not* the same as entering it when prompted. (I tested on a dummy-cryptdevice) |
| 00:07.36 | DarkCow | secher, vfat |
| 00:07.43 | DarkCow | vfat/fat32 |
| 00:08.11 | DarkCow | it's a crappy FS, but it is the "universal" FS |
| 00:08.13 | usr_rob | this should be right ? i'm going to open port 80 to my webserver: iptables -A forwarding_rule -i $WAN -p tcp --dport 80 -d 192.168.1.102 -j ACCEPT |
| 00:08.19 | secher | DarkCow: Damn, I was hoping it would not be that. Kk. |
| 00:08.24 | daxxar | echo -n 'asdasd'|cryptsetup -d - create testcrypt /dev/loop/0 (or just echo 'asdasd') does not yield the same as cryptsetup testcrypt /dev/loop/0 and entering 'asdasd'. Pretty fucked up. :p |
| 00:08.30 | secher | DarkCow: Thanks. |
| 00:08.40 | daxxar | secher: thanks for the empathy. :-) |
| 00:08.50 | daxxar | If I can't find the password, that's a *lot* of data lost. Teaches me a lesson. |
| 00:08.57 | daxxar | Even the raid 0 can't help me when it's PEBCAK. ;) |
| 00:09.01 | DarkCow | yeah, I wish MS would implement native ext3 support or something |
| 00:09.15 | DarkCow | ext3 flash drives would rock |
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| 00:10.30 | Cyis | just use LUKS and on Windoze FreeOFTE |
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| 00:10.55 | daxxar | Using either of them helps me *absolutely zero* |
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| 00:11.00 | secher | daxxar: For stuff like that I usually write it on a drive cable in the system, or use the scsi jumper configuration of the drive. Anyway. Peace. |
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| 00:11.14 | pzn | Hi, using debian sarge as a internet server for localnet (dnat). I need to generate daily statistics of "sum of IP traffic - bytes" to every internal host. any hint? a package name? thanks :-) |
| 00:12.08 | pzn | I need to sum the IP bytes, does not care if it is tcp/udp/other... |
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| 00:13.13 | AeonLibrarian | !recommend Celldweller |
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| 00:13.57 | petemc | pzn: i use ipaq-ng , its ok |
| 00:14.00 | bobby | if a command is listed as 25 6 * * * it will run at 6:25 am every day or will it run 6:25 hours after the machine was booted for every 24 hour period |
| 00:14.01 | bobby | ? |
| 00:14.07 | angler | why does cron not like: echo 'blah' | exim blah@domain.com ? |
| 00:14.18 | rosi | i am a female programmer and i want to participate in debian, what do i have to do? |
| 00:14.26 | secher | DarkCow: Yah, ext3 on winderz. And I might become a virgin again. |
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| 00:14.36 | secher | rosi: LOL nice way to get attention! |
| 00:14.42 | AeonLibrarian | Rosi, start visiting the homepage? |
| 00:14.47 | AeonLibrarian | lol |
| 00:14.57 | DarkCow | there is actually an ext2 driver for windows |
| 00:15.03 | DarkCow | which is cool |
| 00:15.03 | AeonLibrarian | male or female is no difference |
| 00:15.04 | daxxar | ext2fsd |
| 00:15.19 | DarkCow | but, being ext2, it doesn't have journalling |
| 00:15.31 | rosi | there is a difference. never seen it? |
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| 00:15.43 | AeonLibrarian | wtf :) |
| 00:16.02 | AeonLibrarian | in programming there is no difference |
| 00:16.15 | AeonLibrarian | unless you're 'tarded xD |
| 00:16.30 | DarkCow | and the main point of a flash drive is that you'll use it on "foreign" computers, that won't have the ext2 IFS installed |
| 00:16.37 | bobby | rosi, hehe; no one cares what gender you are on the internets...or if they do all they want is your photo |
| 00:16.42 | DarkCow | bobby, 6:25AM every day |
| 00:16.45 | Asc | I think the GNOME and Ubuntu people are headhunting females recently. Good publicity and all. |
| 00:17.04 | secher | sexism and all |
| 00:17.09 | bobby | DarkCow, right... well that causes an odd problem for me... as the task isn't running until 9:45am |
| 00:17.10 | AeonLibrarian | why would that be? |
| 00:17.10 | daxxar | sexism++ |
| 00:17.27 | Asc | But yeah, if you want to participate in the project, the website is probably your best resource for getting started. |
| 00:17.39 | DarkCow | angler, I use "echo PIES|mail blah@domain.com" |
| 00:17.44 | AeonLibrarian | !agree Asc |
| 00:17.44 | dpkg | Asc: Word to your legal guardian-- of the female sex. |
| 00:17.54 | AeonLibrarian | xD! |
| 00:18.02 | DarkCow | don't know if mail/exim makes a difference |
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| 00:18.19 | DarkCow | bobby, does it start at 9:45 or finish at 9:45? |
| 00:18.28 | rosi | Asc: which GNOME? |
| 00:18.30 | DarkCow | what kind of job is it? |
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| 00:19.00 | bobby | DarkCow, correction; it is running around that time. it used to finish at 7:42am (some one here did some thing and I can't work out what that broke it) |
| 00:19.11 | Asc | dpkg: My legal guardian of the female sex probably has never heard the phrase 'word', but I'll tell her anyway. |
| 00:19.26 | bobby | and it's logrotate |
| 00:19.33 | DarkCow | hmmm |
| 00:19.42 | bobby | the chain is logrotate -> squid logs -> sarge reports on those logs |
| 00:19.46 | bobby | and the chain is borked :P |
| 00:19.54 | DarkCow | I don't know, then, unless it is just taking a really long time to do |
| 00:19.56 | xeor | Anyone having some tricks for fixing apt? When I try apt-get upgrade i get message of trying apt-get -f install, and it fails with "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/php-pear_5.2.0-0.dotdeb.3_all.deb (--unpack):" |
| 00:19.57 | Asc | rosi: I'm not even aware if there's a fork these days. I'll do some looking, but my bandwidth is made out of pain. |
| 00:20.03 | pzn | petemc, sorry, could not find ipaq-ng, do you have any URL? |
| 00:20.12 | xeor | Any debuging tips/tricks is very welcome... |
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| 00:20.24 | DarkCow | bobby, try adding another cron job at the same time |
| 00:20.26 | bobby | DarkCow, I've just moved logrotate ahead of all the other cron daily tabs...I'll see what that does - maybe exim or some thing is taking hours |
| 00:20.31 | bobby | oh? |
| 00:20.41 | DarkCow | with something like "`date` > /tmp/crontest" |
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| 00:20.49 | bobby | very good idea |
| 00:20.56 | twobitsprite | if I need to update kde's kontrol center, what package would that be? |
| 00:21.11 | secher | rosi: http://www.gnome.org/press/releases/wsop.html |
| 00:21.27 | DarkCow | perhaps it's getting "stuck behind" other, longer jobs? |
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| 00:21.36 | bobby | yeah that was the only thing I could think of |
| 00:21.42 | DarkCow | I don't know if cron would let that happen, though |
| 00:21.56 | DarkCow | also, is the time set right on the machine? |
| 00:22.16 | DarkCow | not that it would make any difference, really... |
| 00:22.20 | DarkCow | being relative |
| 00:22.27 | AeonLibrarian | uhoh! |
| 00:22.28 | bobby | DarkCow, I believe so; I updated ntd date and the like... cron seems to do tasks one after the other so at the moment I'm thinking it's getting stuck |
| 00:22.32 | AeonLibrarian | !bye |
| 00:22.32 | dpkg | Cya, aeonlibrarian |
| 00:22.36 | bobby | I'll be able to tell tomorrow :) |
| 00:22.41 | petemc | pzn: i dont, its running on a box i set up years ago |
| 00:22.57 | DarkCow | okay |
| 00:23.30 | bobby | we'll see if it works tomorrow; thanks DarkCow |
| 00:23.38 | bobby | I'll be interested to see what the date thing turns up |
| 00:23.52 | DarkCow | no prob |
| 00:24.26 | pzn | petemc, ops... after 5 mins of google, I found... it is ipac, not ipaq. :-) |
| 00:25.24 | petemc | pzn: oh, sorry :) |
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| 00:25.45 | petemc | makes sense, ip accounting |
| 00:25.53 | petemc | not ip aquounting |
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| 00:26.10 | pzn | petemc, no problem, "apt-get install ipac-ng" solved it :-) |
| 00:26.11 | secher | Ahah! sore muscles + hot battery pack == AHHHHHHHH :) Have to recommend to to my GF when she gets cramps. Give me an excuse to lay in bed and work. But babe, if I'm using the laptop, it keeps the battery pack warmer for you! Don't you see what I'm sacrificing for you? :) |
| 00:26.26 | rosi | the debian homepage looks awfull. typical men's stuff, no wonder you have no girls in the project |
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| 00:26.34 | secher | Sorry, had to share. :) |
| 00:26.52 | magnus | Hm I ran some cool libsvga programs on my computer, until one of them failed and lockewd up the phsical console / display. The computer is however still running fine. Is there any way to "reset" the normal consol, to get back into normal text-mode? |
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| 00:27.18 | petemc | pzn: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/temp/adddhcp.pl.txt , thats a script i used to add network users, theres stuff relevant to setting up ipac at the bottom |
| 00:27.27 | DarkCow | rosi, "men's" stuff? |
| 00:27.52 | GeM | does someone know what package i'm missing for irssi to get perl scripts to work? I've installed perl / libperl and so on. This is the error message I get: Irssi: Error loading module timer/timer: /usr/share/irssi/scripts/timer.pl: invalid ELF header |
| 00:28.00 | petemc | rosi: you sound like a troll |
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| 00:28.18 | Ronin | petemc: worse i think, a ubuntu user :) |
| 00:28.37 | Niddle | is there a specialist of diablo here? ;) (nntp software) |
| 00:28.38 | petemc | Ronin: well, that comment in itself is trollish.. |
| 00:28.43 | DarkCow | "why isn't it brown?" :P |
| 00:28.45 | Ronin | very true |
| 00:29.39 | rosi | Ronin: what's debian women? |
| 00:29.58 | Ronin | rosi: do a search for it, theres all kinds of women devs etc involved in debian |
| 00:30.05 | Ronin | assuming of course petemc is incorrect about you |
| 00:30.43 | Asc | rosi: What my poor overloaded 56K turned up is http://live.gnome.org/GnomeWomen for GNOME women and http://women.debian.org/ for Debian women (which I didn't previously know existed).... Also http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals (Debian Developer's Reference sub-item) for becoming a normal dev. :p |
| 00:30.55 | rosi | Ronin: sounds good, all kinds of women |
| 00:30.59 | Ronin | there are normal devs? heh |
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| 00:32.08 | blondie | the debian name contains half a female name! |
| 00:32.20 | Asc | Ronin: The key is to average the set of individuals who are devs, not compare them to the overall population. You can make anything seem normal that way. |
| 00:32.56 | Guerin | apparently the most common FAQ they get is `whe r ur pix lol?' |
| 00:33.34 | Asc | heh |
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| 00:34.07 | cafuego_ | Hmm, what's the tool that scans disks for partitions and attempts to receover them> |
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| 00:34.42 | rosi | debian women looks much better. friendlier. not like a draft version |
| 00:35.21 | Guerin | it's been around since late 2003 or so iirc |
| 00:35.22 | jelly | rosi: uh, are you volunteering for a web page redesign? :-) |
| 00:36.03 | cafuego_ | Are the debian women going to turn up at LCA this year? |
| 00:36.13 | rosi | jelly: why not |
| 00:36.15 | secher | rosi: then do the GNU thing: if you don't like the mousetrap, make a better one, or in this case, redo the site! |
| 00:36.45 | Asc | I hope so. The way that page looks is what put me off of trying Debian when I was initially looking for a distro. |
| 00:37.34 | secher | rosi: but you are right, debian.org does leave something to be desired in the aesthetics department, but I like it that way. Keeps out the meek. |
| 00:38.30 | rosi | secher: there are better ways to keep out the meek - looking shit is not the best way |
| 00:39.12 | Guerin | rosi: patches welcome |
| 00:39.33 | secher | rosi: but can you think of one more efficient? Kk, I've been OT too much. Sorry all. |
| 00:39.54 | Guerin | this is the thing |
| 00:40.27 | Guerin | every few months some shit-hot webdev comes in here and moans about the debian site, and yet it never gets fixed. |
| 00:40.51 | Guerin | and yet debian continues to be |
| 00:41.26 | secher | No need to fix it, it's perfect. "Here's the info. Do with it as you will. 'Nuff said." |
| 00:41.44 | Asc | Wait, wait. Is anybody maintaining the site or not? |
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| 00:42.25 | mzilikazi | hmm i kind of like debian.org - no nonsense, just what i need to know |
| 00:42.46 | secher | If I'm in lynx, I can to do debian.org, navigate around, do wnat I need to do, all with minimal hassle. |
| 00:43.01 | rosi | so, how can i fix it, how do i get access? |
| 00:43.31 | Guerin | rosi: file a bug with whatever patches you like against www.debian.org using reportbug |
| 00:43.34 | ice63 | well i like debian.org |
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| 00:44.58 | rosi | Guerin: the question is: is there a cms at work? are the sources available? |
| 00:44.58 | Guerin | as long as it doesn't end up like the content-free zone which is gnome.org |
| 00:45.06 | secher | LOL |
| 00:45.51 | Guerin | rosi: sure. wget will get you the site's html, images, etc for preliminaries. |
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| 00:46.35 | vulture | Guerin: be nicer if the source could be checked out somewhere, & diffs submitted in the bug reports.. |
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| 00:46.37 | Guerin | rosi: afaik there's no cms like drupal or whatever, it's html and perl cgi |
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| 00:46.41 | vulture | which is what he's asking about |
| 00:46.54 | Guerin | vulture: yeh. |
| 00:47.09 | magnus | How can you easily choose another apt mirror? I would like to get the same list I got when first installing the system. Is this possible somehow? |
| 00:47.34 | cafuego_ | magnus: Yup, using 'apt-setup'. |
| 00:47.34 | Guerin | magnus: apt-setup, apt-spy |
| 00:47.39 | NaufraGo | Hi. what video player is recommended for debian sarge, stable ? |
| 00:47.43 | secher | gxine |
| 00:47.44 | magnus | Thanks a lot! |
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| 00:47.49 | cureless | NaufraGo: mplayer, xine, vlc |
| 00:47.55 | Guerin | NaufraGo: mplayer or vlc |
| 00:47.58 | secher | vlc is good also. |
| 00:48.18 | secher | mplayer has license problems, does it not? |
| 00:48.19 | NaufraGo | dpkg says it's probably in unstable only |
| 00:48.32 | Asc | When I click on 'Get Debian' I want a list of releases, download types, and architectures, not a list of download types, one of which I click, and am sent to a sub-page, then to a sub-sub page with a link to the instllation manual, with a link to my architecture, with separate links to my desired install method and the mirrors _for a release that I don't want_. |
| 00:48.50 | Asc | Yes, I started typing that five or ten minutes ago. My point is that it should not be that hard. |
| 00:48.53 | NaufraGo | what about realplayer? |
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| 00:49.02 | Edwin_Jaws | Hi |
| 00:49.03 | cafuego_ | Asc: Sign up to help and improve it. |
| 00:49.27 | secher | NaufraGo: YES! |
| 00:49.31 | Edwin_Jaws | I am trying to iinstall debian into Proliant ML350 64bits version |
| 00:49.56 | Edwin_Jaws | but i get this message : console shut up |
| 00:49.57 | cureless | secher: the problem is not with mplayer directly is with some codecs, mplayer is in unstable already anyway. |
| 00:50.10 | dondelelcaro | Asc: the debian-www team is always looking for more people to join in and help. The source code is available. |
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| 00:50.20 | ilyak | Hi everyone! |
| 00:50.29 | Asc | cafuego_: I couldn't't design a site if my life depended on it; I'm only trying to make the point that the design is not very good. |
| 00:50.41 | NaufraGo | secher, what do you mean with 'yes!' |
| 00:50.55 | nn-main | i think i will burst my band with if i tell the server to do any more,, currently (Mirroring debian) , Mirroring openzirus running x for limewire to proscss 50 surches per secound on over 4,200 files and up loading one of them! |
| 00:50.56 | cafuego_ | Asc: So you're complaining without giving an alternative? I doubt the www team will be impressed. |
| 00:51.03 | Asc | Like, it's a long-delayed refutation of somebody's previous comment. :p |
| 00:51.16 | Edwin_Jaws | domebody has any clues |
| 00:51.27 | dondelelcaro | everyone knows that the site isn't optimal; but just complaining about it is useless. |
| 00:51.35 | Edwin_Jaws | about instalation Proliant ML350 |
| 00:51.37 | cafuego_ | Asc: See, the design is such that it's easily maintainable for a LOT of languages; it's not intended to be a flashy ajax interface. |
| 00:51.55 | NaufraGo | anyway, is realplayer a better option? |
| 00:52.03 | Guerin | NaufraGo: absolutely not. |
| 00:52.11 | NaufraGo | why not |
| 00:52.21 | ilyak | Let's suppose I've got two audio chipsets: one in motherboard, other is SB Live. |
| 00:52.28 | Guerin | NaufraGo: because it's made by Real Inc. |
| 00:52.28 | ilyak | How do I choose one of them? |
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| 00:52.36 | ice63 | i like mplayer better |
| 00:52.49 | Guerin | ilyak: choose which module to load first in /etc/modules |
| 00:52.49 | jelly | mplayer doesn't do dvd menus well. |
| 00:52.55 | cwheeler | hi i need a hint about where to look for docs on editing the partition table on an LVM volume |
| 00:53.14 | Guerin | vlc and mplayer can play practically everything in existence, between them |
| 00:53.22 | NaufraGo | mm, well, I use mplayer and sometimes it doesn't play .wmv videos, etc. |
| 00:53.27 | Asc | cafuego_: I'll ponder that a second. |
| 00:53.28 | ilyak | Guerin: modules for both seem to be sucked into kernel during boot. |
| 00:53.29 | Guerin | including real, wmp, quicktime, all those retarded things |
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| 00:53.39 | ilyak | Are you sure specifying one of them once more would help? |
| 00:53.42 | ice63 | jelly: well what does ? |
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| 00:54.13 | Guerin | ilyak: yes, but whichever one is loaded first will be the default, and you can blacklist the other if need be. Also your onboard should be turn-offable in bios. |
| 00:54.17 | Guerin | ilyak: vlc. |
| 00:54.18 | Asc | NaufraGo: Did you install the extra codecs? WMV3 works for me. |
| 00:54.20 | Guerin | ice63: vlc |
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| 00:54.32 | BlenderKitty | hey, is anyone here dual booting linux and xp on a thinkpad? |
| 00:54.33 | ice63 | hmm |
| 00:54.38 | dondelelcaro | ilyak: loading them both is perfectly fine |
| 00:54.39 | Guerin | NaufraGo: w32codecs |
| 00:54.41 | jelly | BlenderKitty: yes |
| 00:54.51 | Guerin | BlenderKitty: ask your real question |
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| 00:55.16 | ilyak | Guerin: Oh really, I'll go straight and turn it off in bios |
| 00:55.23 | ilyak | Btw, weird thing: |
| 00:55.25 | NaufraGo | yes, I installed that codes |
| 00:55.25 | BlenderKitty | does the integrated security get in the way of this? |
| 00:55.30 | dondelelcaro | ilyak: it's not a big deal to specify which soundcard to use in almost all programs since you're using alsa. |
| 00:55.30 | NaufraGo | those codes |
| 00:55.39 | Guerin | BlenderKitty: turn that shit off in bios |
| 00:55.45 | NaufraGo | codecs.. sorry |
| 00:55.48 | ice63 | Guerin: ok i give what is vlc? |
| 00:55.55 | jelly | BlenderKitty: don't have it enabled, so I really don't know |
| 00:55.56 | ilyak | I used to have them both working, I've fired alsaconf, selected sblive as default |
| 00:56.04 | Guerin | ice63: it's a video player, like |
| 00:56.09 | BlenderKitty | I like using the fingerprint reader. |
| 00:56.13 | ilyak | And mysteriusly sblive now does not work at all |
| 00:56.19 | BlenderKitty | but it sounds like I can't have it all if I dual boot |
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| 00:56.30 | jelly | BlenderKitty: why, have you tried? |
| 00:56.31 | ilyak | dondelelcaro: I don't see where can I tune that in amaroK |
| 00:56.32 | ice63 | Guerin: is it like mplayer |
| 00:56.34 | ilyak | xine engine/alsa |
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| 00:56.44 | silvertip257 | I just bought a hard drive cable converter that goes to USB; it is this product: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812156017 ; Linux will not recognize it ... anybody have any ideas or whatnot ? |
| 00:56.47 | BlenderKitty | I haven't tried yet, just kinda checking around now |
| 00:56.48 | Guerin | BlenderKitty: oh. biometrics do work in linux. I was thinking about the treacherous computing module |
| 00:56.56 | BlenderKitty | ok cool |
| 00:57.00 | jelly | Guerin: TRUSTED! |
| 00:57.01 | Guerin | ice63: it's like something you can google |
| 00:57.10 | Guerin | jelly: trust me, I know what I'm doing |
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| 00:57.19 | ice63 | Guerin: i have never used it |
| 00:57.23 | ice63 | ok |
| 00:57.35 | jelly | Guerin: we're at war with Eurasia, we have always been btw. |
| 00:57.37 | Guerin | BlenderKitty: i say that having not used them myself, but I have seen people do so |
| 00:57.50 | BlenderKitty | ah. I'm sure there's a specific guide |
| 00:57.54 | BlenderKitty | online |
| 00:57.55 | Guerin | jelly: no! We're at war with Middleeastia! |
| 00:58.14 | BlenderKitty | speaking of asia, did you hear the latest about N korea? |
| 00:58.30 | BlenderKitty | they're about to test again, like in days |
| 00:58.47 | Guerin | BlenderKitty: yeh. Nukes in NK are really no big deal at all. |
| 00:58.54 | BlenderKitty | I hope not |
| 00:59.13 | Guerin | BlenderKitty: they've had the ability to destroy seoul, busan, tokyo or beijing more or less at will for the past 40 years |
| 00:59.20 | Guerin | why would they do so now? |
| 00:59.52 | bobby | using nukes = every one wants to beat you up |
| 00:59.52 | Asc | cafuego_: After checking the path again, I still think it would be easy to maintain the download links on one page, with a link to the manual. Even if it was just a mess of lists and sub-lists (Version, architecture, method) and all the links went to lists of mirrors. |
| 00:59.58 | jelly | BlenderKitty: I find thinkwiki to be a good resource for Linux issues on Thinkpads. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_enable_the_fingerprint_reader |
| 01:00.10 | Guerin | by `near' i mean `within the blast radius if the oil refinery blows up' :( |
| 01:00.11 | BlenderKitty | jelly: thanks |
| 01:00.15 | cafuego_ | Asc: Well, like suggested, join the team and make the change. |
| 01:00.37 | silvertip257 | I just bought a hard drive cable converter that goes to USB; it is this product: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812156017 ; Linux will not recognize it ... anybody have any ideas or whatnot ? |
| 01:00.46 | cureless | silvertip257: does your usb see anything? |
| 01:00.52 | dondelelcaro | ilyak: you set up an asoundrc to do that. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc FE. |
| 01:00.58 | silvertip257 | no cureless |
| 01:01.05 | Asc | cafuego_: It's not a very good debate if you just use that every time I make an argument. :/ |
| 01:01.11 | Guerin | silvertip257: google the model name and linux |
| 01:01.14 | silvertip257 | neither my installed OS nor my INSERT cd |
| 01:01.19 | silvertip257 | ok guerin |
| 01:01.30 | cafuego_ | Asc: Well, just joining irc and complaining the website isn't what you'd like it to be is even more pointless. |
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| 01:01.37 | ilyak | Guerin: that's too hard for a circus, are there any configurer scripts? |
| 01:01.50 | ilyak | Anyway. I'm going to turn the thing off in bios :) |
| 01:02.00 | Guerin | ...? |
| 01:02.19 | Asc | cafuego_: I didn't join to complain, I complained to support the side of an earlier debate which held that the site needs a redesign. |
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| 01:03.44 | dondelelcaro | Asc: the site's content may need to be laid out more efficiently, but the design is perfectly fine |
| 01:03.58 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, laying out the content efficiently is not trivial) |
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| 01:04.51 | Asc | As a non-web-coder, I will admit some confusion as to the difference between design and layout. |
| 01:04.52 | concept10 | are we talking about the main debian site |
| 01:04.54 | jelly | layout isn't a part of design since when? |
| 01:05.18 | maddash | are there restricted modules for deb? like the etch equiv of ubuntu's linux-restricted-modules-***? |
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| 01:05.21 | Asc | concept10, probably. |
| 01:05.24 | ilyak | Мне вот что интересно |
| 01:05.29 | ilyak | Если debian такой труправильный |
| 01:05.36 | ilyak | Как он ухитряется играть wma из коробки? |
| 01:05.45 | daxxar | o.o |
| 01:05.47 | dondelelcaro | ilyak: um... |
| 01:05.49 | jelly | ilyak: uh, that's not utf-8 |
| 01:05.50 | concept10 | i guess someone want a web 2.0 debian site that social networks with ubuntu |
| 01:05.52 | odla | ilyak: really? |
| 01:05.55 | cwheeler | how do i edit the partition table on a logical volume? |
| 01:06.01 | daxxar | ilyak:, I'd try mplayer, it ususally does wma. |
| 01:06.01 | ilyak | oh sorry, wrong channel |
| 01:06.04 | daxxar | :-P |
| 01:06.06 | ilyak | I mean actually |
| 01:06.12 | Asc | uh |
| 01:06.30 | ilyak | If debian is so true lawful, how dows it play wma out of the box? |
| 01:06.31 | jelly | concept10: hell no, but not a bad idea ;-) |
| 01:06.35 | ilyak | does* |
| 01:06.42 | odla | ilyak: it doesn't |
| 01:06.51 | ilyak | odla: It does. |
| 01:06.54 | concept10 | I wonder how long metatracker takes to index my data. anyone else use this / |
| 01:06.58 | odla | ilyak: you have to install w32codecs from a 3rd party repository |
| 01:07.03 | Asc | yay trolling ^^ |
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| 01:07.16 | ilyak | odla: amarok, xine engine, install from testing |
| 01:07.25 | Edwin_Jaws | debian cant run into Proliant ML350? |
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| 01:08.06 | Guerin | ilyak: wma playback is implemented in free software |
| 01:08.10 | ikonia | maddash: I'm curious - how did you get on with your module researching ? |
| 01:08.27 | maddash | ikonia: omg - you're in #ubuntu AND #debian? |
| 01:08.33 | ikonia | of course |
| 01:08.37 | ikonia | I'm everywhere |
| 01:08.46 | maddash | ikonia: doesn't bother your conscience? |
| 01:08.46 | ilyak | Guerin: I know. |
| 01:08.57 | ikonia | maddash: pardon ? |
| 01:09.01 | odla | maddash: are you trolling? |
| 01:09.02 | ilyak | So debian cares about code not about patents. Thats good, I mean. |
| 01:09.08 | maddash | ikonia: well, I'm on etch right now, and it loads crazy fast... |
| 01:09.17 | maddash | ikonia: it's a joke? |
| 01:09.19 | Guerin | ilyak: debian cares about patents which are actively pursued. |
| 01:09.19 | Ronin | ilyak: no need to troll |
| 01:09.21 | ilyak | You should not care about patents, because, actually, you can't anyway |
| 01:09.42 | ikonia | maddash: really, so its the actual method of which the modprobe is invoked through ubuntu |
| 01:09.47 | ikonia | rather than the actual modules |
| 01:09.49 | maddash | ikonia: and I think I can control which modules are loaded via /etc/modules.conf |
| 01:10.02 | Guerin | but it's a bit stupid to care too much about patents since ANY bit of non-trivial software could be liable to patent suit |
| 01:10.03 | ilyak | Now the harder question: what's the proper video driver for nforce 430 chipset? |
| 01:10.03 | maddash | ikonia: correct |
| 01:10.04 | ikonia | maddash: I'm surprised, I didn't think you could blacklist via modules.conf |
| 01:10.24 | ikonia | thats very interesting |
| 01:10.27 | maddash | ikonia: only problem now is that fglrx isn't loading like it should |
| 01:10.47 | maddash | ikonia: even after I added it to /etc/modules |
| 01:11.01 | ikonia | fglrx isn't a kernel module |
| 01:11.07 | ikonia | its an xorg module |
| 01:11.08 | jelly | maddash: what do you mean by "restricted modules"? |
| 01:11.12 | capiira | hmm sometimes when i click on buttons or other stuff i see a ......... rectangle around it, is there a way to remove that? |
| 01:11.22 | ikonia | jelly he's come from ubuntu with the restricted named repo |
| 01:11.28 | capiira | i mean this here http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotcomputerfilebyj5.jpg |
| 01:11.30 | maddash | jelly: I'm not sure... |
| 01:11.36 | maddash | jelly: what ikonia said |
| 01:11.49 | maddash | brb dinner |
| 01:12.11 | jelly | ikonia: I don't really get it. :-| |
| 01:12.31 | ikonia | jelly ubuntu breaks out the repo's into many different pakcage repo's with different names |
| 01:12.45 | ikonia | eg; restricted is for closed source stuff like say nvidia drivers or vmware |
| 01:12.53 | ikonia | so they are just repo names |
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| 01:13.39 | Guerin | ilyak: nv |
| 01:13.43 | dede | oi |
| 01:13.57 | dede | oi |
| 01:14.14 | Ronin | yes we see you dede |
| 01:14.35 | jelly | ikonia: what would that mean in context of <maddash> are there restricted modules for deb? like the etch equiv of ubuntu's linux-restricted-modules-***? |
| 01:14.50 | dede | what is the age? |
| 01:14.53 | jelly | ikonia: sounds like modules for kernel. |
| 01:14.59 | Ronin | dede: of debian? |
| 01:15.11 | Guerin | i think he's talking about non-gpl kernel modules, which I think are excised from debian kernels |
| 01:15.37 | Guerin | though aiui there are still some blobs in there |
| 01:15.42 | ilyak | Guerin: what about binary drivers? |
| 01:15.45 | ikonia | jelly ok - well for example there is a package called linux-restricted-modules which contains some kernel modules such as (for example) the nvidia drivers, which is stored in the "restricted" repo |
| 01:15.45 | jelly | Guerin: yeah, that sounds reasonable |
| 01:15.55 | Guerin | ilyak: binary drivers aren't in debian. |
| 01:16.13 | dede | age? |
| 01:16.53 | ilyak | Guerin: I guess i could, sort of, install it. |
| 01:16.53 | odla | dede: ??? |
| 01:16.53 | Guerin | ilyak: you could. ask dpkg about nvidia one liner |
| 01:16.53 | ikonia | Guerin: truth is - he was an ubuntu user who got a bit flamed as he wanted bleeding edge stuff to just magically work on an old box, and instead of excepting a few of the issue he made a fool of himself |
| 01:16.56 | Ronin | dede: do you know this is a support channel for a linux distro and not a general chat channel |
| 01:17.05 | ikonia | now he's come in here - he thinks he is a linux guru |
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| 01:17.17 | ikonia | but his only reference is ubuntu basics |
| 01:17.26 | ikonia | hence why he's looking for the fglx kernel module |
| 01:17.34 | ikonia | its a module - therefore in his head - its a kernel module |
| 01:17.39 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:17.57 | jelly | ikonia: ah, so for some modules this can be remedied by using module-assistant and an appropriate *-source package |
| 01:18.00 | ilyak | (will try nv now - tired of vesa) |
| 01:18.10 | ikonia | jelly totally, |
| 01:18.31 | ikonia | but he's going to struggle a bit with debian more so in etch due to it walking a harder line on it |
| 01:18.41 | ikonia | plus he doesn't really get how modules worked |
| 01:18.58 | Guerin | yeh, etch is a bit broken nowadays |
| 01:19.02 | ikonia | for example he deleted .ko files to "stop them loading" as he didn't like (understand really) how blacklsting worked |
| 01:19.06 | Guerin | particularly x |
| 01:19.47 | ikonia | yup |
| 01:19.51 | odla | x is broken in testing? not here |
| 01:19.52 | ikonia | ubuntu makes things MEGA easy |
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| 01:20.05 | ikonia | he's going to struggle with the more harsh reality of debian |
| 01:20.12 | ikonia | (thats not a negative) |
| 01:20.19 | jelly | sounds like that |
| 01:20.43 | ikonia | I don't mean that rude to him or debian - its just the truth |
| 01:20.57 | ikonia | his whole definition of how "fast" a system was, was down to how fast it boot |
| 01:21.10 | ikonia | jelly they don't - thats why its in a different repo |
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| 01:21.48 | jelly | ikonia: oh, that's all right then :-) |
| 01:21.52 | odla | ikonia: who have you been flaming for so long? |
| 01:22.01 | ikonia | odla: no-one |
| 01:22.07 | odla | yeah |
| 01:22.21 | ikonia | ? |
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| 01:23.09 | ikonia | odla: oooh, I see what you mean, sorry, I was explainig a situation and respoding to a question about an ubuntu repo |
| 01:23.11 | Guerin | odla: a bunch of new installs have been failing because xserver-xorg-input-* haven't been dragged in by a metapackage |
| 01:23.20 | Guerin | and some modules like psmouse haven't been loaded |
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| 01:24.16 | Ronin | for you only Guerin or more? not trolling i just only remember you this week having problems with it |
| 01:24.33 | ilyak | I've set up nv; now it lost the mouse pointer |
| 01:24.47 | Guerin | Ronin: nah, not for me. I just failed to help five or six people with it yesterday :) |
| 01:24.49 | ilyak | It became invisible. Once I knew the cure, but long forgot. |
| 01:25.17 | ilyak | Sorry, what did you mean by asking dpkg about nvidia one liner? I've too new to debian to understand this one. |
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| 01:25.23 | Ronin | ahh |
| 01:25.28 | odla | !tell ilyak about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:25.29 | Guerin | ikonia: concentrate on getting nv working |
| 01:25.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:25.33 | Guerin | ilyak: |
| 01:26.02 | ilyak | Oh, I see. |
| 01:26.20 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 01:26.20 | dpkg | well, qotd90 is <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there |
| 01:26.27 | ilyak | Guerin: It works, just lower freq, tilted screen and no mouse pointer. |
| 01:26.48 | Guerin | happy days |
| 01:26.59 | ilyak | Anyway, my any standards, nvidia owes me a driver and I'm going to reclain it... |
| 01:27.02 | ilyak | reclaim* |
| 01:27.08 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:27.11 | Guerin | no |
| 01:27.18 | ikonia | ahhh Jo Sheilds having a problem |
| 01:27.21 | Guerin | nvidia owns a part of you if you use their driver |
| 01:27.39 | Guerin | ikonia: this was just before he switched wholesale to ubuntu, I think |
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| 01:27.53 | ikonia | yes, I discussed the switch with him just before |
| 01:27.56 | Guerin | hexxeh does love his shiny new stuff |
| 01:28.15 | cwheeler | alas the nvidia card is useless w/o thier driver so i've had to sell my soul |
| 01:28.18 | ikonia | I think he just didn't like the approach of "it doesn't work - ok buy new hardware to make it work" |
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| 01:28.41 | Guerin | ikonia: the more sensible approach would be `buy hardware which is supported in the first place' |
| 01:28.53 | Guerin | i have had this argument with him on a number of occasions :) |
| 01:28.55 | jelly | ikonia: I go the way of "Linux sucks - first research the hardware, then buy" |
| 01:28.56 | ikonia | well, 915 is meant to be supported |
| 01:28.59 | cwheeler | nvidia makes the best 3d hardware |
| 01:29.11 | ikonia | but I see the point |
| 01:29.15 | atula | I'm trying to install Etch. and usually... I just want the bare minimum system... then install x-window-system... I did that... but it seems like it didn't even install xdm as base system... perhaps I shouldn't have uncheck everything at the selection screen.. advice? |
| 01:29.33 | Ronin | jelly: heh |
| 01:29.36 | Guerin | my idea is just to not buy bleeding-edge new stuff |
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| 01:29.53 | ikonia | its a fine line to walk |
| 01:30.00 | Guerin | but it's hard not to when you work for a supercomputing lab |
| 01:30.04 | cureless | atula: if you can log in at the console you have a workings system, no xdm needed |
| 01:30.24 | ikonia | it can be - some funky stuff ther |
| 01:30.26 | ikonia | here |
| 01:30.26 | Guerin | atula: some of the metapackages and stuff are a bit broken in etch, it seems |
| 01:30.27 | ikonia | here |
| 01:30.28 | cureless | Guerin: where do you work? |
| 01:30.29 | ikonia | there |
| 01:30.35 | ikonia | stupid sticking t key |
| 01:30.45 | Guerin | cureless: not for a supercomputing lab, that's for damn sure |
| 01:31.10 | cureless | oh |
| 01:31.18 | Guerin | cureless: i'm a polisci grad student masquerading as a media analyst masquerading as a debian geek |
| 01:31.37 | Guerin | never have actually worked in IT, a fact for which I am sometimes grateful |
| 01:31.48 | ikonia | bed time, good night guys |
| 01:31.49 | jelly | Guerin: you use plain iptables for all the masquerading? |
| 01:32.12 | cureless | Guerin: you're not missing much. |
| 01:32.14 | Guerin | jelly: yeh, nmone of the frontends were cool enough |
| 01:32.15 | ikonia | iptables -t skillset IN grade OUT debian_geek |
| 01:32.16 | atula | Guerin, what should be the steps in installing Etch... I'm at tje formating stage now... again.... |
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| 01:33.44 | Guerin | atula: let it drop you to a prompt then install xserver-xorg-input-{stuff} and the driover for your vid card, as well as the x-w-s package |
| 01:34.04 | Guerin | ikonia: g'night |
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| 01:34.55 | Guerin | !qotd0 |
| 01:34.55 | dpkg | well, qotd172 is <abrotman> !maint sex |
| 01:35.01 | Guerin | classy |
| 01:35.28 | ilyak | !tell me about etch nvidia |
| 01:35.31 | atula | Guerin, I need to install the video card seperately? |
| 01:35.43 | jelly | !qotd164 |
| 01:35.51 | atula | !tell me about etch nvidia |
| 01:36.06 | Guerin | atula: maybe, maybe not |
| 01:36.28 | ilyak | !tell me about non-free sources |
| 01:36.41 | Supaplex | ilyak: just /msg dpkg |
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| 01:37.07 | atula | Guerin, I think I deselected "standard system" the first time around... |
| 01:37.20 | atula | Guerin, could that be the reason why I didnt' have some of the basic packages? |
| 01:37.21 | Guerin | atula: do so again, and then if it doesn't work come back here |
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| 01:37.29 | ilyak | Supaplex: OK |
| 01:37.30 | Guerin | atula: don't bother reinstalling |
| 01:37.56 | atula | Guerin, too late... lol. but I selected "Standard System" this time around... |
| 01:38.10 | Guerin | oh, yeh |
| 01:38.16 | Guerin | i misread yoiur above |
| 01:38.18 | atula | Guerin, (I have two comps... well 3... so it makes it a bit easier) |
| 01:38.37 | atula | Guerin, that "Standard System" is necessary, no? |
| 01:38.47 | Guerin | atula: it's wise to install it. |
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| 01:39.13 | atula | I didn't get that option in sarge... so a bit confused with that haha.. I think it's should be better now |
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| 01:41.42 | bobby | I'm doing an upgrade which is going to pull 600meg... I need to throttle the download so I don't tie up the net connection |
| 01:41.57 | bobby | if I remember correctly there is a way to do this but I just can't think of it |
| 01:43.12 | Guerin | bobby: it's bloody hard to do in apt[itude] |
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| 01:43.26 | Guerin | there's an undocumented config key for it |
| 01:43.37 | Guerin | or at least it used to be undocumented |
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| 01:44.55 | Guerin | bobby: but you can use something like trickle to do what you want |
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| 01:49.26 | bobby | Guerin, reading into it now |
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| 01:50.34 | capiira | hmm is there a way to customize the global gtk look ? |
| 01:50.43 | capiira | with a tool or something |
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| 01:51.55 | darsie | Hi! I can't get strings to accept German Umlauts. Is strings locale aware? |
| 01:52.01 | jelly | capiira: you can choose between installed themes with gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 01:53.02 | capiira | ah oky |
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| 01:53.29 | bobby | you can also install your own themes and mix n match :P |
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| 01:54.21 | jelly | bobby: if your only worry is that all the programs on this machine have equal rights to the bandwidth, you can use wondershaper. I run "wondershaper eth0 840 144" on my 1024/192 DSL line and downloads work, streaming mp3 radio works, and ssh sessions are still responsive. |
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| 01:54.35 | bobby | perfect Guerin... downloading now :) |
| 01:55.27 | bobby | jelly, it is a boarder router I am upgrading on the fly (to resolve an issue with gnome 2.12/ffox 1.5.x) and I'm trying to avoid it swaping the net for this site |
| 01:55.37 | bobby | though I'm also googling wondershaper now :) |
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| 01:56.58 | diilbertAtWork | I want to take advantage of the higher resolutions of the new LCD 19 monitor I bought, but I can't find the place to get the res above 1024x768... what needs to be edited ? |
| 01:57.23 | diilbertAtWork | If I go to the control panel I don't have any options above 1024x768 |
| 01:58.28 | Guerin | diilbertAtWork: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:58.40 | Guerin | diilbertAtWork: never use any `control panel' to fuck with these things |
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| 01:59.38 | Dewi | except the debian one, of course :) |
| 01:59.53 | jelly | Debian has a control panel? |
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| 02:00.04 | Dewi | jelly: dpkg! |
| 02:00.12 | Dewi | it's not really a... panel |
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| 02:00.26 | Guerin | diilbertAtWork: i think he means kcontrol or such |
| 02:00.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:00.43 | jelly | Dewi: now if you said debconf I might have bought it |
| 02:00.52 | Dewi | jelly: er yeah that thing |
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| 02:00.58 | rohrbach | Etch: what`s happend with new Xorg from few dates ago updates ? Now I dont's have any X & any kernel modules don`t want to load :( Please help |
| 02:01.49 | Dewi | rohrbach: which kernel modules? |
| 02:01.49 | Guerin | rohrbach: install xserver-xorg-input-* and intally hid/usbhid and psmouse modules manually |
| 02:02.11 | rohrbach | for example nvidia |
| 02:02.24 | Guerin | rohrbach: nvidia doesn't tend to persist across upgrades |
| 02:02.41 | rohrbach | from initlevel 2 I can`t load any module |
| 02:02.59 | capiira | hmmm anyone know a site with a lot screensavers for gnome ? |
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| 02:03.24 | jelly | capiira: do you already have xscreensaver and rss-glx installed? |
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| 02:03.43 | capiira | dunno |
| 02:03.48 | capiira | i have the debian default |
| 02:04.04 | capiira | etch default |
| 02:04.19 | jelly | capiira: well, rss-glx is a nice addition if you have OpenGL working |
| 02:04.36 | capiira | yeah i have |
| 02:04.39 | jelly | !info rss-glx |
| 02:04.40 | capiira | its a engine ? |
| 02:04.47 | dpkg | rss-glx: (Really Slick Screensavers GLX Port), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.8.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4943 kB, Installed size: 6144 kB |
| 02:04.57 | jelly | capiira: no, a set of shiny screensavers |
| 02:05.07 | capiira | ahh ok : |
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| 02:05.49 | capiira | iwas looking for something where i can move the mouse to the corner and then screensaver starts |
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| 02:06.34 | osiris | hi guys i need some help |
| 02:06.57 | diilbertAtWork | Guerin: It is called the KDE Control Center... (I use Windows all day, sorry ;) |
| 02:07.05 | osiris | anyone who works with kde? |
| 02:07.25 | Guerin | osiris: work and kde in the same sentence? |
| 02:07.35 | Guerin | god, only a line after work and windows? |
| 02:07.41 | diilbertAtWork | Guerin: drxx ? |
| 02:07.45 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 02:07.45 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:08.03 | osiris | ya ya |
| 02:08.13 | cureless | osiris: ask a question, stop blabing |
| 02:08.14 | osiris | okay the problem is the following |
| 02:08.28 | barbara | ja ja |
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| 02:08.49 | osiris | i started kopete but it crashed |
| 02:09.12 | osiris | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.12 | Guerin | osiris: solution: don't use it |
| 02:09.25 | Guerin | why uninstall, just ignore the damn broken thing |
| 02:09.34 | cureless | osiris: what debian are you using? |
| 02:09.44 | osiris | thats the next point |
| 02:09.56 | osiris | its runs at startup |
| 02:10.21 | osiris | cureless:sarge |
| 02:10.34 | cureless | osiris: what kde packages are you using? |
| 02:10.45 | abrocadabro | I am using debian behind a corprate proxy within a Novell netware environment, my firefox fails to authenticate with the server, and the error msg is "the data area passed to a system call is too small", any ideas? On the same machine in Windows XP, firefox works perfectly. |
| 02:11.10 | diilbertAtWork | Guerin: Thanks |
| 02:11.14 | abrocadabro | and googleearth won't work either, but if I use my debian as a router for another Windows box, Google earth works perfectly on that box |
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| 02:11.42 | bobby | abrocadabro, talk to your admin |
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| 02:12.38 | abrocadabro | bobby: this is a Debian issue I think, because nothing is blocked, everything works on Windows on the same machine |
| 02:12.47 | osiris | cureless:i dont know i think 3.1 |
| 02:13.10 | cureless | abrocadabro: osiris let me rephrase, did you install packages from anything other than the standard sarge sources? |
| 02:13.25 | osiris | cureless: 3.3.2 |
| 02:13.28 | Guerin | abrocadabro: some firewalls block traffic based on headers |
| 02:13.39 | multi_io | abrocadabro: maybe you have a local firewall on the linux box? |
| 02:13.43 | bobby | abrocadabro, yes though the windows box is probably single sign on and thus has authentication to the web |
| 02:13.50 | Guerin | abrocadabro: i know of several cases where traffic to certain sites from certain cliernts is dropped |
| 02:13.53 | osiris | cureless; just the nvidia drivers |
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| 02:14.03 | Guerin | abrocadabro: you really need to talk to the perimeter admin |
| 02:14.03 | ilyak | Oh, now I have my nvidia driver |
| 02:14.11 | ilyak | The world is happiness and glee. |
| 02:14.20 | ilyak | nv would work if I would have a LCD, tho |
| 02:14.23 | cureless | osiris: try to delete the kopete config then. |
| 02:14.36 | osiris | okay where is it |
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| 02:15.08 | abrocadabro | Guerin: what differences would it make if it was coming from Debian as opposed to Windows XP? |
| 02:15.09 | Digamma | Hello |
| 02:15.25 | cureless | osiris: don't know, somewhere in ~/.kde/share/apps/xxx or ~/.kde/share/config (more or less) |
| 02:15.26 | osiris | cureless: i thaught i erased the whole kopete stuff but i didnt |
| 02:15.30 | Guerin | abrocadabro: look at http headers some time and you'll see |
| 02:15.37 | abrocadabro | multi_io: I don't have a local firewall at the moment |
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| 02:16.16 | osiris | cureless i erased many kopete folders |
| 02:16.28 | multi_io | abrocadabro: you're saying that if you use the linux box that GE does not work on as a router for a windows box, then GE does work on that windows box? |
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| 02:17.42 | osiris | cureless: isnt there any config like there is on at windows for run at startup ??? |
| 02:17.57 | abrocadabro | multi_io: GE doesn't work on my linux box; GE works on Windows box using my linux box as a gateway |
| 02:18.48 | osiris | and how i run gaim? |
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| 02:19.05 | multi_io | abrocadabro: ok, so yeah, talk to the admin |
| 02:19.13 | cureless | osiris: oh, you want to remove it from starting up? |
| 02:19.27 | osiris | yes that would be nice |
| 02:19.39 | osiris | and start gaim instead |
| 02:20.20 | Slyboots_ | Not quite sure whats wrong, During playback the DVD's Video and audio skips for about.. 1/2 a second constantly |
| 02:20.25 | osiris | would be satisfied if i still could talk to friends while getting familliar with debian |
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| 02:22.21 | dvs | Is etch released yet? |
| 02:22.22 | cureless | osiris: I thought you said it crashed, so in theory it's not running any more no? |
| 02:22.45 | osiris | okay @first it crashed because of msn |
| 02:22.58 | osiris | then i tried to deinstall |
| 02:23.05 | osiris | didnt work |
| 02:23.18 | osiris | then i erased files |
| 02:23.24 | osiris | now it works |
| 02:23.39 | osiris | but there is no text on buttons |
| 02:23.51 | osiris | its damaged |
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| 02:24.33 | osiris | it would also be great to rpair it |
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| 02:26.58 | cureless | osiris: find all kopete files and delete them |
| 02:27.02 | ilyak | Is there any metapackage I shoud install to print? |
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| 02:28.35 | osiris | cureless: ^^ |
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| 02:29.00 | mungewell | Hi Guys. Is there a way to get the shortname of a file on a VFAT mounted partion. I want to be able to match short <-> long names. |
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| 02:29.25 | osiris | cureless: is there no way to remove it from boot? |
| 02:29.36 | osiris | that would be enough |
| 02:31.45 | cureless | osiris: kde show store the session. Look for session manager in the kde control center. |
| 02:35.50 | osiris | cureless: and then? |
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| 02:36.49 | cureless | osiris: tell it to exclude kopete. However, if you close kopete it shouldn't start it again next time. |
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| 02:37.22 | cureless | osiris: you can also tell it to start empty session, then relog and set it to previous session. That should remove it. |
| 02:37.24 | capiira | do you people have sometimes that ...... rectangle too? http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotcomputerfilebyj5.jpg |
| 02:37.44 | capiira | appears everywhere |
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| 02:38.27 | Drgb | hi people, I just issued the following command "apt-get dist-upgrade -t experimental" causing my system to upgrade with experimental versions. I had some issues after the process, so I want to go back to unstable versions. When I try to apt-get dist-upgrade it doesn't take any package to "downgrade". What can I do? |
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| 02:39.34 | jelly | Drgb: no easy way to fix. Purge and reinstall all affected packages. |
| 02:39.51 | capiira | its faster to reinstall |
| 02:39.53 | capiira | heh |
| 02:40.05 | Drgb | jelly: I hope you're joking :D, they're like...150 packages |
| 02:40.11 | Drgb | with dependencies and so on |
| 02:40.15 | jelly | capiira: Dunno, I havent reinstalled since the last century ;-) |
| 02:40.15 | capiira | yeah |
| 02:40.22 | capiira | ;( |
| 02:40.26 | capiira | ) |
| 02:40.27 | capiira | :) |
| 02:40.28 | jelly | Drgb: no, I'm not. Either that or reinstall |
| 02:40.29 | Drgb | let's translate |
| 02:40.33 | Drgb | I'm fscked |
| 02:40.50 | capiira | can you check if you get that rectangle too ? |
| 02:40.54 | cureless | Drgb: you need to reinstall |
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| 02:40.57 | jelly | yep, you shot yourself in both feet and probably in the nether region |
| 02:41.10 | Drgb | well, thanks for your fast reply anyway |
| 02:41.25 | cureless | Drgb: what prompted you to go to experimental? |
| 02:41.43 | Drgb | I wanted to upgrade my XChat client |
| 02:41.44 | Drgb | hahahahahaha |
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| 02:41.50 | capiira | lol |
| 02:41.56 | dondelelcaro | you don't run experimental; you install some packages from it if you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 02:41.57 | capiira | then why not compile it? |
| 02:41.59 | Drgb | I needed some packages from the experimental sources |
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| 02:42.09 | jelly | Drgb: next time, use explicit packages from experimental (if you feel you must) |
| 02:42.27 | capiira | or just compile xchat |
| 02:42.36 | Drgb | jelly: be sure I will! |
| 02:42.40 | cureless | Drgb: reinstalling won't be that bad |
| 02:42.45 | Drgb | capiira: I needed those packages to compile it |
| 02:42.53 | capiira | hehe |
| 02:42.56 | rabelais | I had to install a special version of gdm for my sunray server, but now there are unmet dependancies and it is not letting me install any other applications, is there a way to tell apt to ignore this unmet dependancy problem? |
| 02:43.31 | Drgb | (someone should invent a "downgrade" command for apt...ghgh) |
| 02:43.49 | capiira | you're welcome :) |
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| 02:44.09 | Drgb | well, thanks guys |
| 02:44.15 | Drgb | see you next OS |
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| 02:44.27 | Drgb | bye :D |
| 02:44.43 | ilyak | How do I make xsane work as non-root? Scanner type is usb. |
| 02:44.49 | dn4 | Anyone know why my etch system has a mouse that double clicks randomly ? |
| 02:44.55 | ilyak | If I just run xsane it can't find scanner. |
| 02:45.00 | dn4 | It is like the mouse has a mind of its own |
| 02:45.17 | capiira | add scanner to the user |
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| 02:45.53 | jetscreamer | adduser username scanner |
| 02:46.06 | capiira | or using the user and group tool |
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| 02:46.28 | bobby | some one should have told drgb that there is a downgrade option for apt |
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| 02:46.49 | capiira | :) we know everything |
| 02:46.57 | muhoo | bah, jack etch source package won't build... on etch! |
| 02:46.58 | muhoo | automake: unrecognized option -- `--force-missing' |
| 02:47.01 | muhoo | a debian patch adds force-missing to automake |
| 02:47.21 | muhoo | yanking that from 01a_force-copy-autogen.sh.patch seems to make the thing build |
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| 02:48.06 | ilyak | Did adduser myself scanner. |
| 02:48.10 | ilyak | Same thing. |
| 02:48.45 | jetscreamer | log out and back in? |
| 02:48.53 | jetscreamer | (logged) |
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| 02:51.39 | jetscreamer | you have to log out and log back in for those changes to take affect |
| 02:51.53 | dondelelcaro | bobby: there isn't. |
| 02:52.15 | dondelelcaro | there are ways to *get* apt to downgrade, but there is no option to cause it to happen automatically. |
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| 02:53.54 | rabelais | I had to install a special version of gdm for my sunray server, but now there are unmet dependancies and it is not letting me install any other applications, is there a way to tell apt to ignore this unmet dependancy problem and just let me install other packages as I would like?? |
| 02:54.21 | dondelelcaro | rabelais: no, there isn't. You need to resolve the dependency problems. |
| 02:54.38 | dondelelcaro | (well, I lie; there are methods, but you do not want to use them) |
| 02:55.36 | rabelais | dondelelcaro, I think I may have to....I need this old version of gdm, it is supposedly incompatible with gnome-desktop-environment and also needs libgsf-1-113 (1-114 is installed in etch) |
| 02:55.56 | rabelais | gnome-desktop-environment wants a newer version of gdm, but everything is working right now |
| 02:56.09 | rabelais | I can't upgrade gdm, I tried that, and the sunray server system just crashes |
| 02:56.13 | dondelelcaro | rabelais: so you have to 1) install libgsf-1-113 2) remove gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 02:56.30 | dondelelcaro | rabelais: and gdm shouldn't be causing the sunray to crash; it's the X server that would do that. |
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| 02:57.12 | rabelais | dondelelcaro, it is something with gdm, trust me....these sunray clients are bizarre, the developers and hackers have built special versions of gdm to be compatible with the server architecture |
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| 02:57.51 | rabelais | if I uninstall gnome-desktop-environment, doesn't that mean I won't get the nice desktop that my users want? |
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| 02:59.42 | dondelelcaro | rabelais: g-d-e is just a metapackage. |
| 02:59.55 | Guerin | rabelais: gdm is an x client. A client program can't crash a machine because there's no kernel involvement |
| 03:00.08 | BrianSteffens | can someone please explain why a 'sudo apt-get update' would give me a segfault........? |
| 03:00.17 | rabelais | Guerin, it's not crashing the machine, it's crashing the sunray server software |
| 03:00.34 | Guerin | oh, it's crashing another program |
| 03:00.37 | rabelais | yes |
| 03:00.44 | dondelelcaro | you mean you aren't using gdm with X? |
| 03:00.51 | rabelais | not traditional X |
| 03:00.51 | Guerin | mm, i thought sunray was an actual machine |
| 03:00.53 | rabelais | Xnewt |
| 03:01.03 | rabelais | well, they are machines, they are thinclients |
| 03:01.11 | rabelais | and they are all running off the sunray server |
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| 03:01.20 | abrotman | Guerin: thin client |
| 03:01.27 | rabelais | it's messy and ugly, I know |
| 03:01.40 | Guerin | BrianSteffens: could be any number of reasons. |
| 03:01.53 | rabelais | but this is the only way to get these machines to work, without going to solaris (something I don't want to do) |
| 03:02.22 | rabelais | I have pinned that modified version of gdm...but it is still giving me these dependacy problems |
| 03:02.24 | dondelelcaro | doesn't Xfree86 support that hardware? |
| 03:02.35 | rabelais | no donde, it doesn't unfortunately |
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| 03:03.14 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; anyway, if you can't figure out the dependency issues, you need to give the full and complete output of apt-get or aptitude or whatever you're using, with apt-cache policy output for the relevant packages. |
| 03:04.26 | spldart | apt says i have smbfs installed... but @ prompt it says smbfs: command not found. I'm trying to setup a share map on fstab |
| 03:04.36 | rabelais | dondelelcaro, are you asking me to post it in #flood? |
| 03:04.56 | spldart | Am I missing something here? |
| 03:05.08 | vassora | hi there. anyone knows why nothing would pop up on syslog after I have plugged my webcam on the usb jack? |
| 03:05.11 | dondelelcaro | rabelais: just use one of the pastebots |
| 03:05.37 | dondelelcaro | spldart: smbfs isn't a command, it's a filesystem. |
| 03:05.51 | frogonwheels | spldart: smbmount smbumount probably |
| 03:05.52 | |zetetic| | hi, I'm using debian etch and everyday I receive automatic updates. but in the last 2/3 days I didn't receive any updates. this is happening to everyone or could my machine be broken? |
| 03:05.56 | spldart | Huh.. my bad then |
| 03:06.00 | spldart | smbmount then |
| 03:06.35 | frogonwheels | spldart: dpkg-query -L smbfs |
| 03:07.27 | spldart | that outputs alotta stuff :) |
| 03:07.55 | frogonwheels | pipe it through less then :) - or better |grep bin |
| 03:08.17 | rabelais | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/8851512 |
| 03:08.30 | rabelais | dondelelcaro, sorry typo http://pastebin.com/851512 |
| 03:09.06 | karsten | |zetetic|: Probably just you. Check to see if you're out of space, say, in /var, or if your mailer has stopped running. |
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| 03:10.36 | abrotman | etch is frozen ... |
| 03:11.54 | dondelelcaro | rabelais: 1) add 'deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool libgsf' to your sources.list 2) apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment- libgsf-1-113 |
| 03:12.08 | vassora | abrotman, really? since when? |
| 03:12.28 | abrotman | vassora: weeks ago ? |
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| 03:12.49 | |zetetic| | karsten: I have checked /var and I'm not out of space. I will wait a couple of days and then see what is wrong |
| 03:13.30 | karsten | |zetetic|: Try sending yourself (or root) mail: echo "test message" | mail -s "test message" root |
| 03:13.41 | karsten | |zetetic|: ... see if that works or fails. |
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| 03:13.53 | karsten | |zetetic|: I'm guessing your mail transport's down somewhere. |
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| 03:14.19 | vassora | abrotman, that's nice to hear.. read |
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| 03:14.59 | karsten | Anyone got a good reference for /proc PID entries, particularly 'stat' and its structure? |
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| 03:15.52 | GnuPrometheus | i have a problem with nagios->"Error: Invalid object definition type 'hostextinfo' in file '/etc/nagios/hostextinfo.cfg' on line 1." |
| 03:16.00 | GnuPrometheus | ->http://pastebin.ca/305962 |
| 03:16.08 | GnuPrometheus | i want to change status map's image |
| 03:16.18 | |zetetic| | karsten: thanks for your help. I introduced the command and nothing happened. no error message, nothing |
| 03:16.58 | karsten | |zetetic|: Check to see if the message was delivered. |
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| 03:17.13 | karsten | |zetetic|: as root, also: 'mailq' will list any pending queued mail messages. |
| 03:17.28 | karsten | |zetetic|: In general: troubleshoot your mail delivery. If you're not sure how, ask. |
| 03:17.50 | |zetetic| | karsten: where can I check if the message was delivered? on thunderbird? |
| 03:18.01 | karsten | |zetetic|: yes, or any other mail client. |
| 03:18.56 | vassora | if i plug a usb device which has no driver supporting it available, would it still produce a syslog entry for it? |
| 03:18.56 | karsten | |zetetic|: Personally I prefer mutt. Where the message is delivered depends on several things. If you've defined an alias for root in /etc/aliases, that's the user who gets root's mail. |
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| 03:19.02 | waldend | xtraceroute |
| 03:19.03 | dvs | vassora: yes |
| 03:19.12 | karsten | vassora: I think there's an insert event. lspci or one of the usb tools may show device info. |
| 03:19.52 | waldend | i was using xtraceroute to trace my link to www.debian.org and it ended in Netherland. I thought it should be US. |
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| 03:20.09 | reed[] | Hello. Is there an archive of old versions of packages somewhere? E.g. I want libc6_2.3.2.ds1-20 instead of libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22. |
| 03:20.18 | karsten | !backports |
| 03:20.18 | dpkg | somebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 03:20.23 | karsten | !archives |
| 03:20.23 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 03:20.24 | vassora | dvs, karsten, what if I plug it and nothing shows up? have I got a dead hardware? |
| 03:20.28 | capiira | hmm that's really annoying i get some kind of doted focus rectangle on everywhere i click, is that normal ? |
| 03:20.45 | karsten | capiira: Have your eyes checked ;-) |
| 03:20.53 | waldend | :D |
| 03:20.54 | karsten | vassora: Maybe. Maybe not. |
| 03:21.02 | jelly-home | reed[]: snapshot.debian.net, I think |
| 03:21.13 | capiira | hehe |
| 03:21.28 | waldend | karsten: have your head checked. |
| 03:21.34 | jelly-home | !snapshots |
| 03:21.34 | dpkg | somebody said debian snapshot was http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 03:21.42 | capiira | yeah see here an example http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotcomputerfilebyj5.jpg |
| 03:21.58 | ilyak | sane-find-scanner can see the scanner, but xsane can't. |
| 03:22.00 | ilyak | Why? :( |
| 03:22.07 | waldend | no one uses xtraceroute here? |
| 03:22.22 | vassora | karsten, that's not really informative... :( |
| 03:22.28 | karsten | vassora: The general drill is: do other devices work on the port. Does the device work on other systems (hw and/or OS). Run through HW diagnostics appropriate for the device. I'm not really versed on SUB, would recommend you start with TLDP USB howto. |
| 03:22.34 | karsten | vassora: Patience, grasshopper |
| 03:22.49 | karsten | vassora: The question wasn't very informative either. |
| 03:23.01 | karsten | vassora: ... since you raised the point. |
| 03:23.01 | jelly-home | waldend: what's so bad about www.d.o being in nl? |
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| 03:23.26 | reed[] | Thanks. Looks like snapshot.debian.net may be what I'm looking for. |
| 03:23.33 | vassora | karsten, I tried a more complete question before, but it was ignored :-) so I just started small this time |
| 03:23.41 | waldend | jelly-home: nothing bad about that, i am not sure if its correct, that's all. |
| 03:23.47 | reed[] | If I can figure out how to make its search return results... |
| 03:24.00 | karsten | vassora: See my answer above (USB howto). Sort the troubleshooting bits. Ask if you need help. I'm about tapped. |
| 03:24.03 | vassora | anyway, printer, pendrive and still camera (mass storage procotol) are working fine |
| 03:24.15 | vassora | allright, thanks |
| 03:24.40 | spldart | Anyone here have a windowsshare that is mounted by a line in their fstab that they can paste up for me to try... I'm trying every variant I can think of but no_joy |
| 03:24.40 | waldend | also, xtraceroute is not able to trace out the route when the final destination is in the US. |
| 03:24.42 | jelly-home | waldend: you can do a "host www.debian.org", then "whois re.sul.ting.ip", then draw your own conclusion? |
| 03:24.48 | karsten | vassora: Different USB devices may need different / additional / specific drivers. |
| 03:25.00 | rabelais | dondelelcaro, I updated my sources.lst file and did an apt-get upate, but the install still fails http://pastebin.com/851526 |
| 03:25.45 | abrotman | try gnome-core |
| 03:26.05 | waldend | i think i have to have a good database for xtraceroute but i don't know which or where to get it? |
| 03:26.52 | jelly-home | waldend: I don't know what xtraceroute uses, but googling for GeoIP might be a good start |
| 03:26.54 | karsten | waldend: What are you trying to do?] |
| 03:27.15 | karsten | waldend: ... and would mtr or http://www.routeviews.org ( asn.routeviews.org reverse DNS) be useful? |
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| 03:28.16 | hacker | good evening....getting a "could not open default cursor font 'cursor'" on a startx |
| 03:28.22 | hacker | debian unstable gdm/gnome |
| 03:28.30 | spldart | How bout.. In fstab.... smbmount //myserver/etc/etc /home/me/etc smbfs -o username=me,password=secret ? |
| 03:29.01 | karsten | Winner! http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man5/proc.5.html |
| 03:29.08 | waldend | karsten: i am just trying out xtraceroute, it traces out the link to a dest. graphically using a globe. it is failing for several destinations including the US. its msg says it does not have the info. so i believe i need a good database to work with it. |
| 03:29.09 | karsten | /proc/PID/stat defined. |
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| 03:29.51 | jelly-home | waldend: I think I have tried xtraceroute a few years ago and its database was inadequate even then |
| 03:29.59 | karsten | waldend: Yeah. I've found that the data to support that is relatively limited. I suspect xtraceroute uses the defined (but seldom and often inaccurately used) locattion DNS attribute. |
| 03:30.25 | spldart | maybe cifs in place of smbfs? |
| 03:30.32 | karsten | waldend: There are companies which spend significant sums of money mapping IP-to-geocoded-location data. Friend used to work at one. |
| 03:31.03 | karsten | spldart: There's some awfully fine documentation provided by the Samba project to answer such questions. |
| 03:31.10 | karsten | spldart: I'd recommend reading it. |
| 03:31.47 | spldart | I'm missing something simple cuz i read and try combinations and google and try fixes and all the time different errors |
| 03:31.54 | jelly-home | karsten: that's why I get "hot girl from A.Nearby.Town" ads while browsing pron pages! :-) |
| 03:32.09 | spldart | NM.... I'll pass on this again... it's starting to frustrate again |
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| 03:32.24 | waldend | karsten: yeah, i think the info are out there. just got to look harder. |
| 03:32.26 | karsten | jelly-home: See! It enhances the end-user experience! |
| 03:32.41 | karsten | waldend: My suggestion is that much of it is proprietary and not publically available. |
| 03:32.59 | karsten | waldend: ... and that it's hard (viz: time, human, and effort intensive) to get. |
| 03:33.20 | karsten | waldend: Approximating the same results by mtr and the Routeviews project has done me a lot of good hunting spam. |
| 03:33.28 | cwheeler | I created my own partitions using LVM how do i get the installer to use them? |
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| 03:34.13 | Trewas | jelly-home: actually those ip-to-location mappings seem to be horribly accurate, and its quite hard to believe that there are sooo many hot girls in nearby very small cities no matter where you happen to surf :) |
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| 03:35.13 | PingFloyd | anybody know what causes the HD LED to flash in 2 second intervals? |
| 03:35.28 | karsten | PingFloyd: Electrons |
| 03:35.43 | karsten | PingFloyd: Next question? |
| 03:35.47 | jelly-home | PingFloyd: if it were 5 seconds, I'd say "Linux kernel does" |
| 03:36.03 | |zetetic| | karsten: now I thing I'm understanding you. you were talking about local domains, right? if so I think the message was delivered, because I have opened a file in /var/mail which has a line saying the message was delivered |
| 03:36.09 | karsten | PingFloyd: Typical FS flush is 5s for ext3, desktop / server. |
| 03:36.27 | PingFloyd | Only happens in debian so I think it's some process just not sure which one |
| 03:36.39 | karsten | |zetetic|: I don't think you understand enough to be able to make a useful comment at this point. |
| 03:36.45 | karsten | |zetetic|: ... and I can't help, sorry. |
| 03:36.55 | |zetetic| | karsten: I was not able to find a better way for seeing if a local message was delivered to a local user |
| 03:37.07 | waldend | curious. I have 2 hard drives, one is running 'testing' and the other i use only for rsync. sometimes, when rsync is not running (i know this becos rsync is run manually), i notice read/write operation to the rsync drive. how to explain this? |
| 03:37.27 | karsten | PingFloyd: Tools to monitor specific processes making disk access are relatively poor, though there are a few. Kick apt-cache around for a while see if you can find any. |
| 03:37.34 | karsten | |zetetic|: I don't have time, sorry. |
| 03:37.36 | jelly-home | waldend: daily updatedb job? |
| 03:38.08 | waldend | jelly-home: i run rsync manually and irregularly. |
| 03:38.20 | abrotman | is the rsync drive mounted ? |
| 03:38.32 | |zetetic| | karsten: ok, thank you, you are very kind |
| 03:38.47 | karsten | |zetetic|: Sorry ;-) |
| 03:38.50 | jelly-home | waldend: but updatedb runs every day and run through most of the mounted filesystem paths |
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| 03:39.17 | cwheeler | I created my own partitions using LVM how do i get the installer to use them? |
| 03:39.21 | abrotman | i thnik the standard updatedb trims only /proc and /dev |
| 03:39.23 | waldend | abrotman: good question, i have not intentionally mount it. |
| 03:39.53 | abrotman | waldend: if you run 'mount' .. do you see it ? |
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| 03:40.08 | karsten | cwheeler: Custom partitioning, specify the LVM volumes as your partitions. It's something like /dev/lvm/xxx/ syntiax. Read the LVM howto. |
| 03:40.33 | waldend | jelly-home: that may be it. got to know more about this updatedb. can be view the job list in updatedb? |
| 03:40.39 | cwheeler | i can't figure out where to specify them, i've got them set up with file systems |
| 03:41.16 | abrotman | updatedb won't index it if it's not mounted |
| 03:41.19 | waldend | abrotman: it did not happen now. next time when it happen i'll check, thks . |
| 03:41.23 | minerale | Greetings I just installed vncserver and it works, I stareted up vncserver but gnome does not load I get an error: Gnome-session: you're already running a session manager |
| 03:41.30 | jelly-home | waldend: /etc/cron.daily/find, runs from cron usually once a day |
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| 03:42.07 | nick-default | just a quick one |
| 03:42.09 | waldend | jelly-home: k. |
| 03:42.29 | nick-default | how do i install something on debian? |
| 03:42.40 | maddash | I've got a problem with runnin fgl_glxgears -- it returns the following message: http://pastebin.ca/306190 |
| 03:42.54 | maddash | nick-default: sudo aptitude install *** |
| 03:43.03 | maddash | nick-default: or use synaptic |
| 03:43.22 | maddash | nick-default: sudo aptitude install synaptic, followed by sudo synaptic" |
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| 03:43.28 | jelly-home | is there another gui for apt/dpkg? |
| 03:43.42 | maddash | jelly-home: synaptic? |
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| 03:43.58 | jelly-home | maddash: yes, some other than that one. |
| 03:44.01 | nick-default | thanks, wasn't there something like apt-get? |
| 03:44.05 | nick-default | or is that old? |
| 03:44.08 | maddash | jelly-home: aptitude |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | apt-get or aptitude |
| 03:44.17 | maddash | nick-default: aptitude is a front end to apt-get |
| 03:44.24 | jelly-home | maddash: aptitude doesn't have a GUI, does it? |
| 03:44.32 | maddash | jelly-home: console mode gui |
| 03:44.36 | abrotman | define gui :) |
| 03:44.37 | PingFloyd | maddash: actually it's a front end to apt itself |
| 03:44.45 | nick-default | does debian have use flags? |
| 03:44.46 | jelly-home | g is for graphic |
| 03:44.47 | PingFloyd | apt-get and aptitude are front ends to apt |
| 03:44.49 | maddash | pingfloyd: apt-get != apt? |
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| 03:44.57 | jelly-home | curses ui != gui |
| 03:45.05 | dn4 | how do I view all the commands running right now on my system? |
| 03:45.06 | abrotman | jelly-home: aptitude responds to mouse clicks |
| 03:45.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: surely you jest! |
| 03:45.17 | maddash | pingfloyd: if apt-get != apt, then how come I can't issue "sudo apt"? |
| 03:45.20 | PingFloyd | maddash: afaik |
| 03:45.24 | abrotman | jelly-home: i do not .. try it! |
| 03:45.31 | rahul | maddash: because apt-get != apt |
| 03:45.43 | abrotman | apt-get is in the apt package |
| 03:45.48 | Cyis | hmm... guess if no one has filed an ITP for it... I'm gonna package tivodecode |
| 03:45.53 | rahul | maddash: apt-get is a rough frontend to the apt library |
| 03:45.55 | PingFloyd | maddash: I believe apt itself more refers to the frame-work of the package management system of debian |
| 03:46.00 | maddash | pingfloyd: can you take a look at my error log? http://pastebin.ca/306190 |
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| 03:46.12 | maddash | pingfloyd: returned when trying to run fgl_gears |
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| 03:46.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: w00t |
| 03:46.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: wierd indeed :) |
| 03:46.46 | chuckkh | hi, uh, is there a way to undo an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 03:47.04 | abrotman | chuckkh: wait .. are you the guy from south of state college ? :) |
| 03:47.19 | abrotman | chuckkh: and you can try to downgrade a package |
| 03:47.21 | chuckkh | well Philadelphia |
| 03:47.26 | maddash | pingfloyd: you're right |
| 03:47.30 | chuckkh | just a package huh |
| 03:47.30 | abrotman | that's not south of state college :) |
| 03:47.43 | maddash | pingfloyd: about apt-get/aptitude/apt |
| 03:47.47 | abrotman | chuckkh: what do you want to downgrade |
| 03:48.07 | PingFloyd | maddash: iirc, you're using xorg right? |
| 03:48.09 | chuckkh | well the automatic update said there were 3 packages that couldn't update, and to run apt-get update |
| 03:48.20 | chuckkh | apt-get update selected 100 some packages |
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| 03:48.33 | chuckkh | I thought, perfect, everything will be up to date |
| 03:48.33 | abrotman | you mean .. apt-get upgrade ? |
| 03:48.36 | cwheeler | how do i tell debian the hardware clock is set to local time not utc? |
| 03:48.39 | chuckkh | yes my bad |
| 03:48.44 | chuckkh | I did apt-get update first |
| 03:48.49 | abrotman | hwclock |
| 03:49.04 | chuckkh | anyway it appears to have replaced a few newer things with older packages |
| 03:49.10 | maddash | pingfloyd: I installed x-window-system-core, as well as xorg, but I also have libxxf86-dga/-vm1 |
| 03:49.13 | abrotman | or .. set the UTC setting in /etc/default/rc.S |
| 03:49.15 | jelly-home | cwheeler: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 03:49.27 | dn4 | Any idea on the command used to show what applications or processes are goin on? |
| 03:49.36 | abrotman | ps ? |
| 03:49.37 | dn4 | I need to close firecox so I can reopen it |
| 03:49.40 | maddash | pingfloyd: not sure how those last two ended up there, but yes, I think I'm using Xorg |
| 03:49.55 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 03:50.07 | PingFloyd | maddash: I'm not running xorg myself, but if I remember correctly, from the past, xorg is modularized. The only thing I can think of is are you perhaps missing a dri related package for xorg? |
| 03:50.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: they all will ..if you tell them to |
| 03:50.18 | dn4 | abrotman, ps only showed me two things bash ps |
| 03:50.27 | abrotman | dn4: man ps .. ps aux |
| 03:51.09 | frogonwheels | jelly-home: The windows API wouldn't support it, and there's a whole world of apps out there that assume the old broken behaviour, so I very much doubt it. |
| 03:51.26 | abrotman | you can set win32 to UTC |
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| 03:52.00 | jelly-home | frogonwheels: I wonder why apps would care about hwclock, but well, I'm not surprised |
| 03:52.01 | frogonwheels | And it shows your correct local time!? naahhh |
| 03:52.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah, but I want localtime to be shown |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 03:52.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: why bother! |
| 03:52.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: and I'm not in UK over the winter |
| 03:52.37 | abrotman | switch to swatch internet time! |
| 03:52.54 | jelly-home | !slap abrotman |
| 03:52.55 | frogonwheels | well, if you have UTC as your HWClock, then really, all your files should be stored as UTC, |
| 03:52.59 | cwheeler | hahaha i call it firecox too |
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| 03:53.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's not a horrible idea .. but it'll never catch on |
| 03:53.29 | frogonwheels | and that would mean that the api would need to be designed around getting a local time from the system time.. |
| 03:53.32 | cwheeler | debian shares this machine with windoze so the clock can't be utc :( |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | it's just as good as running everything off UTC |
| 03:53.35 | dn4 | so if I have users like 105; 103; lp; running applications did my system get hacked? |
| 03:53.41 | frogonwheels | and .. er.. hmm.. |
| 03:53.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'll have my brain damaged partial base-60 system any day, thank you |
| 03:53.53 | Pons | guys, does any of you know any guide or how can i look for how can i make a whole system bootable over nfs? |
| 03:53.56 | cwheeler | you can set windows to UTC? |
| 03:54.19 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's not that bad .. it's just readjusting .. just like if you had to switch from km to miles |
| 03:54.30 | frogonwheels | cwheeler: you just can't then have your apps display local time if you do. |
| 03:54.52 | cwheeler | so windows displays UTC not local time? |
| 03:55.07 | dn4 | My system is really fuct up b/c I cannot even open up firefox anymore |
| 03:55.09 | abrotman | eh .. that was a bad HDD noise .... |
| 03:55.15 | maddash | pingfloyd: I noticed that lsmod didn't return "fgl" or "dri"...maybe I should just reinstall etch... |
| 03:55.16 | abrotman | cwheeler: right |
| 03:55.25 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm going to bed, hear ya at 250 :-> |
| 03:55.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:55.30 | jelly-home | @ |
| 03:55.33 | cwheeler | ok I understand |
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| 03:56.21 | jelly-home | dn4: pkill firefox-bin; sleep 1; pkill -9 firefox-bin; try again |
| 03:56.30 | dn4 | ok why is it on the etch system ./mozilla/firefox <-- exists but in the ps aux it shows up as /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin in which case when I do killall -9 mozilla-firefox nothing happened |
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| 03:56.52 | abrotman | killall firefox-bin ? |
| 03:56.59 | jelly-home | dn4: you want to kill firefox-bin, that's the real thing |
| 03:57.05 | cwheeler | killall -HUP works for me |
| 03:57.16 | dn4 | well that worked but why isn't the real thing mozilla-firefox |
| 03:57.20 | cwheeler | it seems to resist the default signal |
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| 03:58.01 | abrotman | binary renamed ? |
| 03:58.02 | jelly-home | kill -9 -1, as root, that'll surely kill it! heh heh heh |
| 03:58.15 | jetscreamer | yeah maybe because they changed the name to protect the guilty |
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| 04:02.31 | skippy | I just upgraded from Sarge to Etch, because I want to use PHP's PDO stuff for a project. When I restart Apache2, it fails with this in the error log: /usr/sbin/apache2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs/pdo_mysql.so: undefined symbol: php_pdo_get_dbh_ce |
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| 04:05.50 | RogerBacon | hey, debian etch is late again !!! |
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| 04:06.47 | PingFloyd | RogerBacon: so |
| 04:07.01 | RogerBacon | what ? |
| 04:07.08 | rahul | RogerBacon is being silly again ;;; |
| 04:07.43 | RogerBacon | uhhhh ??? |
| 04:07.54 | cwheeler | late? |
| 04:07.57 | De_Mon | etch is late? is debian going to have another baby? |
| 04:07.58 | rahul | eiiiiii ~~~ |
| 04:08.17 | Guerin | De_Mon: a debian distribution is never late, it always arrives precisely when it intends to. |
| 04:08.18 | rahul | no, debian had a meeting to go to |
| 04:08.34 | De_Mon | snickers |
| 04:08.40 | rahul | mounds |
| 04:08.43 | Guerin | that said: |
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| 04:08.46 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 04:08.46 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 04:09.16 | skippy | any guidance / suggestions re: undefined symbol: php_pdo_get_dbh_ce in php5-mysql ? |
| 04:09.28 | Guerin | !undefined symbol |
| 04:09.31 | Guerin | !undefined symbols |
| 04:09.35 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 04:09.51 | Guerin | it means foo isn't built against the right version of libbar |
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| 04:10.18 | rublind | for some reason my taskbar died, how do I bring it back to life? |
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| 04:10.36 | jello | skippy: reportbug |
| 04:10.38 | skippy | Guerin, that strikes me as slightly odd, given these are the Etch binaries I just installed. |
| 04:10.56 | Guerin | skippy: are you running etch only? |
| 04:11.01 | karsten | rublind: What desktop environment? |
| 04:11.09 | skippy | Guerin, just upgraded from Sarge. |
| 04:11.09 | rublind | karsten: gnome |
| 04:11.21 | Guerin | skippy: some bits of sarge are probably still lurking around |
| 04:11.47 | karsten | rublind: Try: /usr/bin/gnome-panel |
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| 04:11.53 | skippy | Guerin, that's possible; but PHP PDO was only just added to Etch. So it's not likely an older version of PHP PDO, since there wasn't one. |
| 04:12.09 | Guerin | wtf is php pdo? |
| 04:12.14 | rublind | karsten: "I've detected a panel already running and will no quit." |
| 04:12.18 | skippy | "PHP Data Objects" |
| 04:12.23 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:12.35 | karsten | rublind: Kill any existing instances and try again. |
| 04:12.45 | karsten | skippy: Yes, data *should* object to PHP |
| 04:12.50 | rublind | karsten: remind me again how to kill is? ps -aux | grep gnome-panel |
| 04:12.55 | Guerin | skippy: well, if that's not the proiblem, file a bug. You can probably get a working version using simple sid backport (ask dpkg) |
| 04:12.55 | rublind | karsten: and then kill the pid? |
| 04:13.04 | karsten | rublind: killall gnome-panel will work. |
| 04:13.29 | hark | heh |
| 04:13.50 | PingFloyd | rublind: quick with killall |
| 04:13.59 | PingFloyd | s/quick/quicker |
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| 04:14.05 | karsten | rublind: ps waux | awk '$11 ~ gnome-panel { print $2}' | xargs kill |
| 04:14.18 | karsten | Rug: ... is another recipie. |
| 04:14.25 | rublind | that kinda killed everything, it restarted itself, and didn't fix the problem |
| 04:14.29 | rahul | oy |
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| 04:15.08 | karsten | Rug: Log out and log back in. <ctrl><alt><backspace> will kill X11. |
| 04:15.17 | eitan | How do I run the x configuration program that is run during debian install? |
| 04:15.23 | karsten | Rug: Nevermind. |
| 04:15.25 | karsten | rublind: ... see above. |
| 04:15.25 | De_Mon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.35 | eitan | There doesn't seem to be an option for it in base-config. |
| 04:15.36 | rublind | karsten: rgr, did above gonna start panel again |
| 04:15.37 | rahul | rublind: looks like your config is hosed. welcome to gnome. |
| 04:15.38 | jello | eitan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or -xfree86 |
| 04:15.51 | karsten | eitan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 | xserver-xorg |
| 04:15.52 | rahul | rublind: I used to have a complex system of backups for my gnome panel |
| 04:15.54 | rublind | rahul: =\ fixable? |
| 04:16.04 | rahul | rublind: then I got rid of gnome and never had a problem with it again :) |
| 04:16.06 | rublind | karsten: same message, already running |
| 04:16.14 | rublind | rahul: yeah, but I hate kde... fluxbox? |
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| 04:16.16 | karsten | rublind: I'd strongly recommend a better window / dekstop environment. KDE if you must. XFCE's pretty good. I prefer wmaker |
| 04:16.28 | karsten | rublind: kill all gnome processes then. |
| 04:16.36 | jello | !start a wm war |
| 04:16.36 | dpkg | metacity bites! |
| 04:16.44 | rahul | "I drive a Ford Pinto because I hate Kias" |
| 04:16.46 | rublind | karsten: it was like this at boot, I think there's a bigger problem here |
| 04:16.57 | rublind | karsten: what is wmaker? |
| 04:17.03 | karsten | rublind: ps waux | awk '$11 ~ "gnome" {print $2 " " $11}' | xargs kill |
| 04:17.10 | karsten | !wmaker |
| 04:17.10 | dpkg | i heard wmaker is at http://www.windowmaker.org, or the coolest window manager in existence |
| 04:17.55 | HymnToLife | and a down website :p |
| 04:17.59 | rublind | karsten: if I kill gnome, wont It reset everything? |
| 04:18.18 | karsten | rublind: uAnd you win! |
| 04:18.38 | karsten | It's www.windowmaker.info. |
| 04:18.42 | rublind | karsten: ... right... =p |
| 04:19.02 | rublind | karsten: is it in the apt-get thinger? |
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| 04:19.27 | karsten | dpkg: wmaker +~s/\.org/.info/ |
| 04:19.39 | karsten | rublind: Um. You really need to ask? |
| 04:19.44 | karsten | !tell rublind about search |
| 04:19.46 | rublind | karsten: ... no, I'm installing now |
| 04:19.58 | karsten | http://www.windowmaker.info/gallery.php |
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| 04:20.26 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png |
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| 04:20.39 | skippy | dpkg, backports? |
| 04:20.39 | dpkg | [backports] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 04:20.49 | karsten | ... but not: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png |
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| 04:21.01 | skippy | dpkg, simple sid backport? |
| 04:21.01 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 04:22.13 | rublind | ... where to get the xp theme? |
| 04:22.13 | karsten | rublind: In general, see http://xwinman.org/ for various X environments. |
| 04:22.53 | rublind | karsten: how to switch to wmaker from gnome? |
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| 04:23.01 | rublind | killall gnome & wmaker ? |
| 04:23.03 | rahul | rublind: man xsession |
| 04:23.18 | karsten | What rahul said |
| 04:23.25 | rahul | what karsten said |
| 04:23.29 | rublind | roger, parden my n00bness |
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| 04:24.50 | jello | karsten: does she come with it?? ;) |
| 04:25.33 | rublind | karsten: still a noob, wanna break it down for me one more step? =p |
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| 04:25.57 | rahul | rublind: have you read what's in that man page? |
| 04:26.05 | rahul | rublind: if so, ask a specific question |
| 04:26.08 | rublind | rahul: yeah, but it's all technical stuff |
| 04:26.26 | rahul | would you rather the computer talked about its feelings? |
| 04:26.33 | rublind | yes? |
| 04:26.39 | rublind | I'm concerned... =\ |
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| 04:32.49 | Cyis | lovely... a Makefile with no 'install' target :) |
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| 04:33.28 | nahirean | hello everyone. i am a bit new to debian, does it have the equivilant of system-config-display? for some reason it won't allow me to exceed 800x600 :) |
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| 04:34.25 | HymnToLife | !resolution |
| 04:34.26 | dpkg | hmm... resolution is How fine the pixels are. The higher the resolution, the more pixels that can be squeezed onto a screen, thereby giving the appearance that the pictures on your screen are smaller without losing any detail. Because the pictures are smaller you now have room to place more on your screen.. Use ctrl-alt-numpad_plus/minus to change it. Or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, or man xrandr, or see hwinfo, or ask me about drxx |
| 04:37.29 | nahirean | Thank you, HymnToLife ;) |
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| 04:49.59 | DaveQB | what do these [y|N|m|r|q|s|f| mean in reportbug when bugs are listed ? |
| 04:50.18 | DaveQB | y = yes, N = now and the rest ? |
| 04:50.26 | DaveQB | N = no i mean |
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| 04:52.35 | Schiz0 | I'm running Deb Etch in VMWare, no x server or anything, just cli. How do I increase the resolution so I can view more text on the screen? |
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| 04:54.26 | ice_cream | hi, how would i do math inside an echo statement? |
| 04:54.39 | ice_cream | er.. something like echo "1000/10" to have it echo 100 |
| 04:55.12 | ice_cream | say that 1000 was assigned to a variable |
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| 04:56.49 | Guerin | ice_cream: #bash |
| 04:57.03 | ice_cream | k |
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| 04:57.22 | Rusty1 | ice_cream: there is a #bashscripts channel, IIRC ask there? |
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| 04:59.34 | DaveQB | ice_cream I think you need ()'s around it, there is a way, google bash maths |
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| 05:00.30 | NaufraGo | does anybody know opennap package? |
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| 05:01.28 | Zack_ | ola tias |
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| 05:07.06 | xopey_ | i'm trying to install debian from the netinst |
| 05:07.23 | xopey_ | is debian still using xfree86 rather than xorg? |
| 05:07.54 | Schiz0 | I think testing is using xorg, and stable is using xfree86 |
| 05:08.05 | Schiz0 | But I may be wrong, I'm not a regular here, I'm waiting for help ;-) |
| 05:08.30 | xopey_ | okay, so i'm coming from mandriva -> suse -> debian |
| 05:08.46 | Asc | If I select the 'desktop' option in the 'select and install software' part of the install, will it include very large packages like CUPS, tetex, Java, OpenOffice, Firefox/Iceweasel, or Thunderbird? |
| 05:09.03 | xopey_ | is there any tool other than xf86config Schiz0 ? |
| 05:09.12 | eap | testing in on Xorg yes, got awhile now... |
| 05:09.28 | Asc | yeah, pretty sure Etch is using xorg... the x configuration thing came up yesterday sometime |
| 05:09.32 | Schiz0 | I dunno, I can't remember the last time I used a xserver on my linux boxes, they're all servers. |
| 05:09.50 | xopey_ | is debian a poor choice for a laptop? |
| 05:10.02 | eap | xopey_, no it is not |
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| 05:10.32 | eap | xopey_: i have run deb on my laptop for +3 years now |
| 05:10.41 | xopey_ | i'm dying on installation here. other distros have auto-detected everything, but i'm struggling |
| 05:11.02 | eap | xopey_: and it was the first one to go into my turion'64 :) |
| 05:11.31 | Schiz0 | Anyone know what I have to add to the boot param to change the resolution of the tty's? |
| 05:11.38 | xopey_ | so, any install pointers eap ? |
| 05:11.39 | eap | xopey_: are u using stable/testing? |
| 05:11.46 | xopey_ | stable |
| 05:12.10 | eap | xopey_: which laptop? might be newer hardware + older kernel... |
| 05:12.25 | xopey_ | dell inspiron 1200 |
| 05:12.35 | eap | xopey_: sarge is a bit dated on the hardware support out of the box now on some ardware.. |
| 05:12.57 | eap | xopey_: what exactly is failing? |
| 05:13.15 | xopey_ | i can't get it to recognize my touchpad/mouse |
| 05:13.22 | xopey_ | can't startx |
| 05:13.50 | eap | xopey_: ok, u need to know your display card |
| 05:14.17 | xopey_ | intel 915 |
| 05:14.38 | xopey_ | i've been trying to use the generic vesa |
| 05:15.01 | eap | xopey_: for mouse touchpad, usually one of two: synaptics and something else |
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| 05:15.24 | eap | xopey_: intel? that _should_ be out of the box.. |
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| 05:15.58 | xopey_ | that's what i was assuming going into this thing |
| 05:16.51 | eap | xopey_: the 915 is newer right? perhaps u need an updated driver.. checking google.. |
| 05:17.29 | xopey_ | thnx for your help eap |
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| 05:19.27 | jetscreamer | allowmouseopenfail true or so |
| 05:20.29 | xopey_ | i'm trying to use xf86cfg right now |
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| 05:21.16 | xopey_ | is it easier using debian current? |
| 05:22.17 | eap | xopey_: well it is, though it depends on your perspective |
| 05:22.19 | eap | xopey_: what is the error startx is giving |
| 05:22.31 | eitan | General question about debian: why is "debian" made to be a huge package of 1000's of packages? Why not make debian a core operating system, with all of the optional packages being "de-linked" from the core releases? |
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| 05:22.56 | jetscreamer | it like is |
| 05:22.56 | xopey_ | i'm not that dedicated to the current install. i think i'm going to start over against the current sources |
| 05:22.59 | Schiz0 | eitan: Ever hear of a net install? |
| 05:23.14 | zinx | eitan: you may be interested in Ubuntu |
| 05:23.42 | eap | xopey_: then i would suggest coming on over to 'testing/etch ;-) |
| 05:23.47 | jetscreamer | required, standard, optional, extra, others |
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| 05:23.57 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 05:23.59 | hark | xopey_: boot with linux26 to get the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:24.18 | eitan | zinx: I tried Ubuntu... let me tell you... all of you are saints... compared to the crowd in #ubuntu. |
| 05:24.22 | xopey_ | okay, is etch a development branch? |
| 05:24.24 | eitan | zinx: saints! |
| 05:24.31 | zinx | eitan: that scares me |
| 05:24.42 | xopey_ | yeah, i just realized that stable was using 2.4 still |
| 05:24.43 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:24.48 | eitan | zinx: they were very immature, very hostile, and very unfriendly, and very unknowledgable. |
| 05:25.00 | jetscreamer | 2.6 is option on install with sarge |
| 05:25.04 | xopey_ | i've gotten jaded by the other distros |
| 05:25.08 | eitan | zinx: I swore never to install ubuntu again and sent off emails to the ubuntu heads saying so. |
| 05:25.24 | xopey_ | just didn't realize all the stuff they did for me |
| 05:25.59 | eitan | Schiz0: I did the net install... but that doesn't change the fact that the core releases are delayed while all of the optional packages are being tested for stability... that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. |
| 05:26.14 | zinx | eitan: if you're worried about needing 14 CDs to install debian, don't - either use the netinstall CD (best), or just get the first CD. the important packages are placed on the first CDs |
| 05:26.39 | zinx | eitan: ah, well. people use them. |
| 05:26.54 | xopey_ | so is "testing/etch" the best to use? |
| 05:27.19 | hark | !best |
| 05:27.19 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 05:27.26 | hark | heh |
| 05:27.27 | xopey_ | ha |
| 05:27.43 | eitan | zinx: Got that... but I'm talking about the way the core is delayed because of the fringe optional programs... why is that the best way to do things? |
| 05:28.04 | xopey_ | i don't mean this badly, but i liked what i had with suse10.1 on my laptop, but got sick of RPM |
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| 05:28.13 | xopey_ | that's why i wanted to go debian |
| 05:28.17 | zinx | eitan: it's not neccesarily the best way |
| 05:28.18 | xopey_ | to get away from rpm |
| 05:28.22 | zinx | eitan: it is the way it's done :D |
| 05:28.37 | xopey_ | but i want the 2.6 kernel and all the hardware support i had with suse |
| 05:28.48 | zinx | eitan: and it does mean there's a very large amount of software available that will probably work |
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| 05:29.24 | hark | xopey_: you get the 2.6 kernel when installing with the linux26 option |
| 05:29.48 | xopey_ | i don't remember specifying the kernel during install |
| 05:29.55 | eitan | zinx: right... and that can be good, but it also means that debian is carrying an enormous burden of "certifying" 1000's of unrelated accessory programs. I just don't understand why that is better... or why that's the way it's done. |
| 05:29.57 | xopey_ | just whether i wanted to use stable or not |
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| 05:30.39 | hark | !linux26 |
| 05:30.39 | dpkg | linux26 is probably the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
| 05:30.56 | eitan | has anyone suggested to the debian heads to de-link the optional programs from the core os, so that the core can be updated more regularly without depending on the status of all kinds of other unrelated programs? |
| 05:30.58 | xopey_ | i see |
| 05:31.43 | grelli_ | eitan: you mean the ubuntu approach? |
| 05:31.52 | hark | xopey_: also it's better to use dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver instead of xf86cfg |
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| 05:32.26 | xopey_ | thanks hark that's exactly the kinda stuff i need to know |
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| 05:32.32 | jetscreamer | it's really better to hand edit :) but only when you know how |
| 05:32.34 | xopey_ | i know absolutely nothing of dpkg |
| 05:32.41 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 05:32.41 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 05:33.09 | xopey_ | but in order to use xorg, i don't use stable. is that right? |
| 05:33.24 | eitan | grelli_: in a way, but not exactly... de-linking the core from accessories, but also more throrough testing than ubuntu... more ease of customization... and no immature cretins like they have in the ubuntu irc. |
| 05:33.26 | jetscreamer | is this a desktop? |
| 05:33.46 | xopey_ | jetscreamer: it's a laptop |
| 05:33.51 | hark | xopey_: there are backports, but if it's a desktop, i think you could try etch as well |
| 05:34.00 | grelli | eitan: it'd certainly be interesting |
| 05:34.05 | jetscreamer | just use etch imo ymmv |
| 05:34.22 | grelli | I guess a lot of it depends on what the end goal is |
| 05:34.31 | Supoib | -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; if you have a question about Debian GNU/Linux, ask and /quit |
| 05:34.48 | xopey_ | hark: it's not a desktop |
| 05:34.54 | eitan | grelli: ... look I like debian... it's my choice of os, certainly. And that's why I'm worried that it's really lagging behind as far as the "stable" "supported" version. |
| 05:35.03 | jetscreamer | not a server .... |
| 05:35.07 | hark | xopey_: as in 'not a server' |
| 05:35.13 | xopey_ | right |
| 05:35.13 | hark | heh |
| 05:35.21 | xopey_ | the only thing i'm serving is ssh |
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| 05:36.24 | xopey_ | i restarted the install with linux26 options as you suggested |
| 05:36.26 | grelli | eitan: hey, I do understand that. wouldn't the need you're describing be covered by running testing instead of stable, or am I missing something? |
| 05:36.45 | jetscreamer | you could have just installed a 2.6 |
| 05:36.57 | grelli | eitan: maybe I just have uses for the branches so ingrained in my head that I don't get it |
| 05:37.53 | xopey_ | i just grabbed the "network install cd" from debian.org. is there a different iso i should've gotten jetscreamer |
| 05:38.04 | eitan | grelli: In general I found that it's hard for people to "get" others in irc... it has major drawbacks as means of communication between people.... but I see what you're saying. I don't use "testing" because it doesn't get security updates. That's not good. |
| 05:38.34 | grelli | eitan: ah, gotcha |
| 05:39.04 | jetscreamer | xopey_: if you wanted etch yeah but you can install etch with the sarge net install iirc |
| 05:39.06 | eitan | grelli: how did you get me? what do you mean? |
| 05:39.22 | xopey_ | jetscreamer: okay. what's iirc |
| 05:39.28 | jetscreamer | !iirc |
| 05:39.28 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 05:39.40 | xopey_ | lol. sorry |
| 05:39.45 | grelli | eitan: I run stable on my servers, and that's just what they run. if I need something more up to date, then I'll either back-port or possibly run testing |
| 05:39.45 | eitan | grelli: oh... you mean you understand me... you see... it's tough to communicate in irc. |
| 05:39.57 | xopey_ | so how do i install etch from this installer |
| 05:40.04 | xopey_ | at what point do i make the selection |
| 05:40.12 | jetscreamer | it will ask you about the sources |
| 05:40.22 | jetscreamer | there should be an option for etch |
| 05:40.23 | eitan | grelli: ok... let me ask this question of everyone: |
| 05:40.25 | grelli | eitan: but I can see there being situations where 6 or 12 month core rollout that gets security updates might make more sense than backporiting or running testing |
| 05:40.34 | grelli | er, backporting |
| 05:40.41 | xopey_ | okay, i'm on sources now. asking for protocol... |
| 05:40.48 | eitan | Does anyone have a relatively accurate idea of when Etch is going to be released as stable? |
| 05:40.59 | jetscreamer | !etch pool |
| 05:40.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch pool is Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 05:41.03 | eitan | grelli: right |
| 05:41.24 | xopey_ | i selected ftp, and USA and it's assuming i want stable/main |
| 05:42.10 | eitan | ... I get that there's betting on a date... but aside from that, does anyone have any information on a probably projected date? 1 week, 1 month, 1 year... what? |
| 05:42.27 | jetscreamer | not really |
| 05:42.29 | xopey_ | jetscreamer: can i edit my sources and just specify "etch/main" instead? |
| 05:44.00 | eitan | Or is everyone saying that no one knows even approximately? |
| 05:45.36 | grelli | it's really hard to say |
| 05:45.36 | jetscreamer | xopey_: you can, but it's been so long since i used the sarge stuff or even needed to use an installer that i don't know offhand what to tell you (alt F2 && nano /etc/apt/sources.list or so ) |
| 05:45.58 | jetscreamer | there's also another place it asks you about the sources, but i can't remember if that's only in the etch installer |
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| 05:46.06 | grelli | I've already switched a few of my virtual machines over, and it's been pretty painless so far |
| 05:46.09 | jetscreamer | might be inthe sarge one too |
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| 05:46.29 | jetscreamer | you need to do the base install with the flavor the cd is... sarge in this case |
| 05:46.35 | xopey_ | jetscreamer: yeah, i've kinda figured out how to edit the sources file, but what do i make the entry |
| 05:46.37 | eitan | grelli: is it expected in the next month? |
| 05:46.54 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list iirc |
| 05:47.16 | grelli | I would say within the next 2-4, but I'm not a dev |
| 05:47.57 | xopey_ | so, just append etch main |
| 05:48.05 | jetscreamer | you want the etch ones... |
| 05:48.09 | jetscreamer | but |
| 05:48.14 | eitan | grelli: 2-4 hmmm... ok... |
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| 05:48.52 | jetscreamer | there is a point, early on, that if you change the sources the install will bork. or so. just don't do it too early. |
| 05:49.05 | xopey_ | okay |
| 05:49.29 | xopey_ | "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" |
| 05:49.32 | jetscreamer | best advice is do a minimal install then change sources when it's over |
| 05:49.43 | xopey_ | i.e. "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" |
| 05:49.52 | grelli | jetscreamer: yeah, I haven't had a successfull debootstrap straight to etch yet |
| 05:49.57 | jetscreamer | you want the security and the debian ones |
| 05:50.04 | samuel | I am trying to watch encrypted dvds, ive got libdvdcss installed, but it states ive not got it installed... its a new laptop, do I NEED to use regionset? ive DVDs from region 1 and 4, will I be able to watch both regions afterwards? |
| 05:50.07 | grelli | but bootstrap sarge then dist-upgrade seems to work well |
| 05:50.23 | jetscreamer | you don't want the alioths |
| 05:50.31 | jetscreamer | the nerims are old |
| 05:50.36 | jetscreamer | bad addy |
| 05:50.39 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 05:50.39 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 05:51.22 | xopey_ | do i want etch main and "etc contrib non-free" for mp3's and stuff? |
| 05:51.35 | jetscreamer | etc? |
| 05:51.44 | xopey_ | sorry, etch |
| 05:51.54 | jetscreamer | the marillat is mostly a/v related |
| 05:52.12 | jetscreamer | you don't need contrib/non-free just to play mp3's |
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| 05:52.28 | xopey_ | alright |
| 05:52.31 | jetscreamer | least i don't believe so... |
| 05:52.42 | jetscreamer | nah |
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| 05:53.01 | xopey_ | so also add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" |
| 05:53.15 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:53.21 | xopey_ | yipes |
| 05:53.21 | jetscreamer | that's the old address |
| 05:53.25 | xopey_ | sorry, i misread |
| 05:53.29 | jetscreamer | !tell xopey_ -about marillat |
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| 06:00.02 | jetscreamer | we can't see you sorry |
| 06:00.19 | xopey_ | heh |
| 06:00.49 | xopey_ | aw, jetscreamer look what you've done |
| 06:01.03 | jetscreamer | omg |
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| 06:07.21 | xopey_ | jetscreamer: while i'm re-re-reinstalling... if i set my sources to etch and then select the "Desktop" option, what likelihood will it recognize the majority of my hardware? |
| 06:08.02 | eitan | I have 2 debian sarge desktops linked in a lan through a router. I want to transfer files between the two using the gnome gui. Can I do this without terminal commands? |
| 06:08.04 | jetscreamer | don't select the desktop option... then change the sources to etch |
| 06:08.15 | xopey_ | why in that order? |
| 06:08.43 | xopey_ | that install has you set your sources before you'd make that selection |
| 06:08.47 | jetscreamer | because after you do the tasksel (desktop option / others ) the install is done |
| 06:09.14 | jetscreamer | the idea is d/l as little as possible |
| 06:09.18 | jetscreamer | when installing |
| 06:09.33 | jetscreamer | because you will just have to d/l updated versions again |
| 06:09.39 | xopey_ | good point |
| 06:09.43 | jetscreamer | when changing to etch |
| 06:09.57 | xopey_ | but if i can set the sources up front, then i can straight-up install etch |
| 06:10.29 | jetscreamer | but like i said, sometimes that didn't work too well for me... i don't remember particulars though. so i told you the safe way. |
| 06:10.41 | xopey_ | okay. i'll obey |
| 06:10.45 | jetscreamer | feel free to change the sources whenever you like though |
| 06:10.59 | xopey_ | the only caveat... where is the "Desktop" option after you leave the installer |
| 06:11.35 | eitan | does anyone want to take my question? |
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| 06:11.55 | jetscreamer | i find that to be a bloated option personally... but just run tasksel, or base-config (iirc it's one or the other) |
| 06:11.57 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 06:12.16 | jetscreamer | you can use secpanel but i think it's deprecated |
| 06:12.23 | xopey_ | i want a basic gnome desktop |
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| 06:12.25 | jetscreamer | !info secpanel |
| 06:12.54 | xopey_ | i really don't want the desktop option if it installs a ton of extra apps |
| 06:13.01 | jetscreamer | just when done, apt-get install xorg gnome (or gnome-desktop, or gnome-base, or gnome-something) |
| 06:13.12 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 06:13.17 | xopey_ | cool. thnx man |
| 06:13.26 | jetscreamer | it installs a little of everything iirc, the desktop option |
| 06:13.45 | xopey_ | then i really don't want that. it's just a buttload of downloads |
| 06:13.49 | jetscreamer | !info xorg etch |
| 06:13.58 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-8 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 06:14.05 | cwheeler | my X configuration failed how can i re-run the config thing? |
| 06:14.17 | jetscreamer | yeah ok xorg is the metapackage name in etch |
| 06:14.26 | jetscreamer | !tell cwheeler -about drxx |
| 06:14.27 | eitan | I have 2 debian sarge desktops linked in a lan through a router. I want to transfer files between the two using the gnome gui. How do I do this without using the terminal? |
| 06:14.36 | xopey_ | !info gnome-desktop etch |
| 06:14.41 | jetscreamer | secpanel eitan |
| 06:15.15 | xopey_ | do you have samba setup eitan ? |
| 06:15.22 | eitan | I don't think so. |
| 06:15.24 | jetscreamer | !info gnome-core etch |
| 06:15.26 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1:2.14.3.4 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 06:15.35 | eitan | xopey_: I don't think so. |
| 06:15.44 | xopey_ | how about ssh |
| 06:15.48 | eitan | xopey_: I don't think so. |
| 06:16.06 | eitan | xopey_: Let's just say these are fresh installs. |
| 06:16.13 | xopey_ | i don't know how the experts do it, but i have samba running at home |
| 06:16.20 | jetscreamer | nfs is my preference eitan , but that involves the dreaded cli |
| 06:16.23 | xopey_ | i'm still trying to get a fresh install myself :) |
| 06:16.26 | jetscreamer | for lin to lin |
| 06:16.47 | eitan | jetscreamer: I don't want anything that's dreaded. |
| 06:17.14 | eitan | Give me the easy way for beginners (not the easy way for linux experts.) |
| 06:17.15 | jetscreamer | i just meant you seem to dread it :) |
| 06:17.16 | xopey_ | do you have windows machines on your network too eitan |
| 06:17.23 | jetscreamer | scp |
| 06:17.29 | jetscreamer | you need ssh going |
| 06:17.31 | xopey_ | yeah or rsync |
| 06:17.35 | eitan | I have 1 windows machine and 2 debians. |
| 06:17.44 | eitan | 1 windows 2000 and 2 sarges, to be specific. |
| 06:17.49 | jetscreamer | samba for all 3 then |
| 06:17.52 | eitan | ok |
| 06:17.54 | eitan | sounds good |
| 06:17.55 | xopey_ | agreed |
| 06:18.04 | xopey_ | it'll suit you best in the long run |
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| 06:18.27 | eitan | (Let me put in an aside and say that you guys are super friendly and professional. It's very heartening. :) ) |
| 06:18.39 | jetscreamer | i have found it easiest just to read/write to the windows shares from lin |
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| 06:19.03 | xopey_ | okay jetscreamer , i need to hit the hay. i did as you recommended. i didn't select any option on the screen with the "Desktop" option and just clicked ok |
| 06:19.09 | jetscreamer | setting up the shares on the linux boxes so the windows can read them is a pain for me |
| 06:19.11 | eitan | Let's first get the debians sharing files. |
| 06:19.30 | eitan | xopey_: goodnight to you. |
| 06:19.39 | xopey_ | thnx eitan, you too |
| 06:19.51 | xopey_ | actually, my install's 97% |
| 06:19.54 | jetscreamer | but it seems to 'just work' (tm) reading/writing to win from lin |
| 06:19.57 | eitan | thanks, unfortunately I need stay up and finish these setups |
| 06:20.00 | xopey_ | i bet i'll get addicted again shortly |
| 06:20.21 | cwheeler | is 256MB 256000KB? |
| 06:20.31 | xopey_ | anything for the next linux fix |
| 06:20.38 | jetscreamer | 1024*256 |
| 06:21.05 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 06:21.23 | jetscreamer | some companies count it as 1000*256 but that's sales |
| 06:21.38 | jetscreamer | or somelthing |
| 06:21.41 | xopey_ | okay jetscreamer , i'm at my first login prompt |
| 06:21.53 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:22.04 | xopey_ | so, update sources and then call the apt-gets you referenced, right? |
| 06:22.10 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:22.22 | xopey_ | lol |
| 06:22.32 | xopey_ | i listen so well. now you know how my wife feels |
| 06:22.38 | jetscreamer | edit the sources, do apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade, then apt-get install xorg gnome-core |
| 06:23.02 | xopey_ | writing it down... |
| 06:23.35 | jetscreamer | make that apt-get install xorg gnome-core gdm gdm-themes |
| 06:23.45 | jetscreamer | if you want |
| 06:23.51 | xopey_ | yeah, i do |
| 06:24.17 | jetscreamer | you might want to use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 06:24.30 | xopey_ | how come? |
| 06:24.31 | jetscreamer | either/or |
| 06:24.35 | xopey_ | okay |
| 06:24.48 | xopey_ | i got lost finding what i wanted in aptitude |
| 06:25.23 | eitan | let me know when you guys are ready. |
| 06:26.29 | jetscreamer | samba 'just works' for me browsing to the windows box... you can /join #samba maybe for detailed help |
| 06:26.48 | jetscreamer | as well as ask here i mean |
| 06:26.56 | WaREX | which is the most common traffic shaper tool used in debian? |
| 06:27.52 | xopey_ | apt-get upgrade-dist = 204. i'm off to bed this time. thanks a ton! |
| 06:28.12 | jetscreamer | edit the sources, do apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade, then apt-get install xorg gnome-core |
| 06:28.19 | xopey_ | jetSCREAMER is cooler than Limozeen! |
| 06:28.25 | xopey_ | i wrote it down. thnx man |
| 06:28.37 | jetscreamer | upgrade-dist ? |
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| 06:29.01 | xopey_ | ha. i type it the right way |
| 06:29.10 | cwheeler | when I try to start my X server I get: |
| 06:29.12 | jetscreamer | WaREX: i dunno, but there's shaper and shaperd |
| 06:29.13 | xopey_ | or found an undocumented feature |
| 06:29.19 | NaufraGo | I installed quake2, now I don't know how do I run it. can anybody help me? |
| 06:29.38 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: try looking in /usr/local/bin |
| 06:29.42 | cwheeler | Failed to load modules "kbd" and "mouse" (module does not exist) |
| 06:29.55 | samuel | how can i see what dvd drive model I have installed in my laptop? |
| 06:30.21 | eitan | Should I keep waiting? |
| 06:30.48 | WaREX | any clues about shaper vs shaperd? |
| 06:31.01 | jetscreamer | it's cat /proc/ide/hdb/model for me |
| 06:31.06 | jetscreamer | change hdb to whatever |
| 06:31.13 | jetscreamer | none WaREX |
| 06:31.22 | jetscreamer | what are you waiting for, eitan ? |
| 06:31.44 | eitan | How do I set up file sharing between 2 debians on a lan using gnome (not terminal commands)? |
| 06:31.53 | jetscreamer | secpanel |
| 06:31.55 | samuel | jetscreamer: thanks, now to see if I can find firmware for this... i didnt know that they made dvd players region locked now-a-days... |
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| 06:32.04 | jetscreamer | also smb4k |
| 06:32.19 | jetscreamer | !info smb4k |
| 06:32.26 | dpkg | smb4k: (A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.8.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1768 kB, Installed size: 3440 kB |
| 06:32.39 | NaufraGo | I could run quake2, but there's not sound in the game, how can I solute it? |
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| 06:33.09 | eitan | jetscreamer: where do I find secpanel? |
| 06:33.10 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log or the xfree equiv |
| 06:33.17 | jetscreamer | apt-get install secpanel |
| 06:33.20 | eitan | jetscreamer: Do I just install smb4k on both computers? |
| 06:33.22 | msingh | anyone know of an audio player that will play archived albums without explicit decompression? |
| 06:33.22 | NaufraGo | ------- sound initialization ------- loading oss sound output driver, ok /dev/dsp: Success SNDDMA_Init: Could not mmap /dev/dsp. |
| 06:33.26 | cwheeler | looking |
| 06:33.39 | jetscreamer | eitan: ask in #samba , i don't know much about it |
| 06:33.55 | eitan | ok... I'll go there now. |
| 06:34.03 | jetscreamer | i just know it 'just works' from lin to win |
| 06:34.04 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 06:34.48 | deb_noob | I'm having troubles connecting a camera |
| 06:34.50 | cwheeler | it says the kbd and mouse drivers don't exist too |
| 06:34.55 | cwheeler | did something not get installed? |
| 06:35.07 | deb_noob | or I'm having troubles getting media off of a camera |
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| 06:36.15 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: are you running etch or sarge or what.. and is it xorg or xfree |
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| 06:36.43 | cwheeler | etch and xorg |
| 06:36.46 | jetscreamer | deb_noob: usually they're sda1 or so, and you just mount them |
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| 06:37.32 | jetscreamer | not sure cwheeler |
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| 06:37.55 | jetscreamer | what did you choose in the config? |
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| 06:38.12 | cwheeler | the defaults |
| 06:38.20 | cwheeler | except the video card name |
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| 06:38.29 | jetscreamer | are they usb ? the kb/mouse |
| 06:38.46 | cwheeler | no atx |
| 06:38.57 | cwheeler | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:39.32 | c|int | hey all |
| 06:39.32 | deb_noob | jetscreamer: how can I mount it? |
| 06:39.35 | jetscreamer | you also want the ImPS2 option for that one (if it has a wheel) |
| 06:39.37 | c|int | I"m really enjoying xfce alot |
| 06:39.40 | heapme | whats the diff between ubuntu and debian? |
| 06:39.50 | jetscreamer | packaging, support, other |
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| 06:39.53 | c|int | I still got some problems with banshee though.. |
| 06:40.08 | cwheeler | right i chose ImPS2 |
| 06:40.19 | cwheeler | or choose? |
| 06:40.24 | c|int | however still got gnome... and I got rid of enlightenment.. and some other stuff, only because I got alot to do with vmware, and power scripting as well |
| 06:40.31 | deb_noob | are there any other good kde messengers besides kopete? |
| 06:40.32 | cwheeler | hmm i hate it when i dunno how to spell |
| 06:40.33 | xopey_ | hey man, what exim4 option do i choose: large file or small files |
| 06:40.34 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: at an xterm, type modprobe mousedev, as root |
| 06:40.37 | c|int | hi jetscreamer, long time no see |
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| 06:40.41 | jetscreamer | large |
| 06:40.43 | xopey_ | i'm not hosting a mail server or anything |
| 06:40.44 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 06:40.44 | xopey_ | okay |
| 06:40.59 | xopey_ | yeah |
| 06:41.01 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer, do you know how can I make quake2 audio work? |
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| 06:41.14 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: if it gives you a sucess message you need to edit /etc/modules and add mousedev |
| 06:41.17 | c|int | are you using wine, or codeweavers? |
| 06:41.18 | deb_noob | NaufraGo: I know, you have to add a line to a file to say oss |
| 06:41.25 | deb_noob | google quake oss |
| 06:41.28 | c|int | you might try.. CodeWeavers CrossOver Beta 6, or even Cedega |
| 06:41.40 | c|int | I have them all etc.. into hacking myself.. as well and reverse engineering :- ) |
| 06:41.58 | cwheeler | ok that worked |
| 06:42.01 | jetscreamer | there's a snd_alsa_oss-compat or so |
| 06:42.07 | c|int | filetopia voice protocol, is working on codeweavers crossover 6 beta, but 6 beta is still a little buggy :) |
| 06:42.14 | jetscreamer | not sure about the kb though |
| 06:42.22 | c|int | hey jetscreamer |
| 06:42.28 | PingFloyd | well, I couldn't find any program to correlate disk activity to processes, but I figured out the process responsible for making the HD LED blink at 2 second intervals |
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| 06:42.34 | jetscreamer | hey |
| 06:42.35 | c|int | you think if you get some time, you can help me figure out the banshee issue, with my ipod nano etc |
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| 06:42.48 | c|int | I'm going to be watching.. Blood Diamond.. DVD quality :-) |
| 06:43.02 | jetscreamer | never used banshee and don't have any ipod :0 |
| 06:43.06 | PingFloyd | anybody want to know which one, in case they run into the same? |
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| 06:43.18 | c|int | k |
| 06:43.18 | xopey_ | i've been using amarok and LOVE it with my ipod |
| 06:43.53 | xopey_ | i tried banshee, but couldnt figure out how to get mp3 and mp4 to work with gstreamer |
| 06:44.00 | c|int | well, I use RedChair Software, on win.. etc.. and show alot of other users about anapod which is nice, I couldn't get floola to work right etc. but I'm using etch so>> :P.. testing.. anyone hear when stable is being released claimed anyways :P |
| 06:44.11 | PingFloyd | it's hald that causes it |
| 06:44.11 | c|int | ah |
| 06:44.15 | xopey_ | good stuff. i used to use it too |
| 06:44.22 | c|int | how can I get aramok to sync :) |
| 06:44.30 | c|int | yeah, wouldn't work with wine though :P |
| 06:44.39 | c|int | or codeweavers |
| 06:44.40 | c|int | :P |
| 06:44.58 | xopey_ | amarok just synced |
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| 06:45.05 | xopey_ | i mean, it autodetected the pod |
| 06:45.18 | cwheeler | jetscreamer I get the same error messages starting gdm |
| 06:45.20 | c|int | I have vmware workstation on etch (testing) anyways.. you have to use the any any update script though. funny because on ubuntu back in spring.. with vmware wks 5.5 it didnt' require that script no more |
| 06:45.24 | xopey_ | and i just right clicked on a playlist and said "sync to media device" |
| 06:45.31 | eitan | I just came from the #samba channel and there is no one active there who can help me. Is there anyone here who's willing? |
| 06:45.33 | c|int | erm |
| 06:45.41 | c|int | maybe I should just format my ipod again then? |
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| 06:45.55 | c|int | I shouldn't have to do that though |
| 06:45.57 | xopey_ | is your ipod fat formatted c|int ? |
| 06:46.06 | c|int | of course, I'm not a rookie |
| 06:46.21 | xopey_ | sorry, just asking ;) |
| 06:46.22 | c|int | I been studying file systems, over the year |
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| 06:46.42 | c|int | XFS, is just something i"m not ready to use long base yet :) |
| 06:46.48 | xopey_ | i missed the first part of your conversation, what are you not able to do wit banshee? |
| 06:47.03 | c|int | it won't display in the explorer :( |
| 06:47.24 | c|int | it will mount okay, and recognized by pmount etc.. |
| 06:47.31 | c|int | any ideas o>O |
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| 06:48.03 | xopey_ | in the banshee explorer? |
| 06:48.10 | c|int | right |
| 06:48.17 | c|int | banshee doesn't seem to recognize it.. |
| 06:48.20 | xopey_ | don't you have to define the mount point in banshee? |
| 06:48.23 | c|int | I always have luck you know.. :-) |
| 06:48.28 | c|int | bad luck that is :) |
| 06:48.29 | xopey_ | i know you do in gtkpod and amarok |
| 06:48.35 | c|int | ah |
| 06:48.39 | c|int | didn't know that :( |
| 06:48.39 | NaufraGo | deb_noob I can't find the solution by google |
| 06:48.42 | xopey_ | i.e. /media/IPOD for udev |
| 06:48.42 | NaufraGo | can you help me? |
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| 06:49.04 | c|int | o_O - 0)===j small gun |
| 06:49.12 | xopey_ | i have no clue how debian mounts though |
| 06:49.20 | c|int | lmao ! :P |
| 06:49.28 | c|int | are you using ubuntu |
| 06:49.29 | xopey_ | jetscreamer: does debian do the whole udev automounting? |
| 06:49.38 | c|int | I know ubuntu will make my stuff work right.. meh |
| 06:49.39 | xopey_ | lol, no i'm in the process of installing debian now |
| 06:49.42 | c|int | :P |
| 06:49.43 | xopey_ | i'm coming from suse |
| 06:49.52 | c|int | I jus tam into the whole power system :) |
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| 06:50.01 | c|int | I used ubuntu for the longest time lol |
| 06:50.09 | cwheeler | jetscreamer loading mousedev module didn't solve the problem |
| 06:50.15 | c|int | maybe might work with it still, seeing how i have all there books etc.. |
| 06:50.24 | eitan | I see that no one really wants to help. Thanks anyway. |
| 06:50.36 | c|int | the latest builds with etch.. really have proved themselves.. and programmers/developers |
| 06:50.37 | xopey_ | so, what's the mount point for the ipod c|int ? |
| 06:50.44 | c|int | 1 min |
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| 06:51.32 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: as root, try apt-get install xorg |
| 06:51.33 | c|int | looks like there is 2 of them.. /media/IPOD and 1 /media/NANO/ |
| 06:51.41 | NaufraGo | deb_noob, maybe I have to change this line: set snddevice "/dev/dsp" ? |
| 06:51.47 | c|int | might explain some things .. o.o |
| 06:51.55 | xopey_ | i just launched banshee on my sys and i don't see where you identify it |
| 06:52.06 | cwheeler | ok jetscreamer |
| 06:52.08 | NaufraGo | or: set snddriver "oss" |
| 06:52.13 | c|int | argh >_< |
| 06:52.17 | c|int | I"ll jus twork on it later |
| 06:52.30 | xopey_ | i would install gtkpod (since it's small) to make sure that when you specify the mount point that the app recognizes it |
| 06:52.39 | c|int | I tried that already |
| 06:52.42 | c|int | nice try |
| 06:52.42 | cwheeler | it says "xorg is already the newest version" |
| 06:52.43 | c|int | :P |
| 06:52.48 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: apt-get install modconf, run it, go to the sound section, look for snd_alsa_oss_(stuff) |
| 06:52.49 | cwheeler | and didn't install anything |
| 06:52.53 | jetscreamer | k |
| 06:52.54 | xopey_ | did gtkpod see it? |
| 06:52.58 | c|int | nope :) |
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| 06:53.06 | c|int | my luck huh |
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| 06:53.12 | xopey_ | and did you setup /media/IPOD in its prefs? |
| 06:53.17 | c|int | always has been, thats why I been reading alot more :) |
| 06:53.21 | xopey_ | cause i know you have to for that app |
| 06:53.22 | c|int | oops.. |
| 06:53.26 | c|int | nope :P |
| 06:53.30 | xopey_ | i used it religiously for quite a while |
| 06:53.41 | c|int | still getting better with understanding how to hack the system :) |
| 06:53.53 | xopey_ | amarok handles podcasts seamlessly though. that's why i switched |
| 06:53.54 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep EE is all i can really say atm |
| 06:53.56 | c|int | well xopey I appreciate that help lol |
| 06:54.01 | xopey_ | no prob |
| 06:54.10 | c|int | well I don't mind using amarok either. its quite nice :) |
| 06:54.12 | xopey_ | you should have seen my questions in here |
| 06:54.12 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: ask gravity if he comes around though |
| 06:54.22 | c|int | maybe we can team up on things :) |
| 06:54.31 | xopey_ | once you get a large library, rescanning for files takes forever |
| 06:54.33 | cwheeler | thanks jetscreamer |
| 06:54.39 | xopey_ | yeah, no joke |
| 06:54.42 | c|int | you see, I help alot of users with windows all the time.. and they all ask alot hows my progress with open source going as well |
| 06:54.45 | xopey_ | i'll add you to my list |
| 06:54.55 | c|int | pcbsd 1.3.. look out distro's :P |
| 06:55.01 | c|int | there really improving.. :) |
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| 06:55.30 | c|int | I was messing with pcbsd, back when its was first coming about.. 0.8.1 etc.. and DesktopBsd wasnt' so bad.. they just need to work on more embedded hardware support. etc.. |
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| 06:55.49 | xopey_ | man, seriously. i keep thinking about going to bed and then i look over and i see "92%" update completed |
| 06:56.00 | c|int | what you doin |
| 06:56.07 | xopey_ | installing etch |
| 06:56.14 | xopey_ | and trying to get gnome installed |
| 06:56.14 | c|int | haha |
| 06:56.20 | c|int | patience.. key word for etch :P |
| 06:56.27 | c|int | its worth it though |
| 06:56.38 | c|int | you got to install xfce man |
| 06:56.43 | c|int | its really rockin out |
| 06:56.55 | c|int | I" like gnome too as well, but gnome is experiencing crashing bugs etc |
| 06:57.03 | xopey_ | i started reformatting when i got home 10 hrs ago |
| 06:57.04 | c|int | could be for me... though.. but thats what I been reporting |
| 06:57.37 | c|int | I need something to clean up my gnome session, and give me a clean session.. some things when I opened up windows.. were smaller and compacted and not like default.. erm |
| 06:57.56 | xopey_ | such as |
| 06:58.08 | jetscreamer | rm -R ~/gnome* :o |
| 06:58.12 | c|int | I was messing with bum too, maybe I disalbed someting on accident :P |
| 06:58.12 | jetscreamer | err |
| 06:58.18 | jetscreamer | rm -R ~/.gnome* |
| 06:58.25 | c|int | disabled |
| 06:58.28 | jetscreamer | and .gconf* |
| 06:58.30 | c|int | ? |
| 06:58.30 | xopey_ | gnome-session-properties |
| 06:58.38 | c|int | thanks xopey and jet.. |
| 06:58.42 | xopey_ | you can define what's auto-starting and stuff |
| 06:58.44 | jetscreamer | and others |
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| 06:59.04 | c|int | I knwo I should be up on this.. I"ve been accelarting with linux distro's and understanding.. alot more with the system.. since 2004 |
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| 06:59.23 | c|int | was off and on though with stuff, and discouraged many times, but thats something I'm kicking in the as* :) |
| 06:59.57 | c|int | couldn't open it up xo |
| 06:59.59 | c|int | xop |
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| 07:00.04 | c|int | argh! xopey |
| 07:00.28 | c|int | jetscreamer: , doesn't that remove gnome, or you want me to pull the configuratino out, and make a new 1? |
| 07:01.18 | xopey_ | after specifying /media/IPOD in properties |
| 07:01.36 | c|int | 1 thing I say, with broadcom. on windows its a solid light, if its connected, on linux distro's.. it blinks off an on.. thats weird.. |
| 07:01.36 | xopey_ | and then, read ipod or something on the main menu |
| 07:01.40 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer I alrady installed alsa modules and audio work great on my system, the unique problem I have is in quake2,probably I have to change /dev/dsp or something.. I don't know if it is necessary do that of modconf.. what do you say? |
| 07:01.58 | xopey_ | CRAAAAP |
| 07:02.18 | xopey_ | i did all the installs and stuff and was just hoping that startx would work flawlessly |
| 07:02.41 | cwheeler | xopey_ what error did you get? |
| 07:02.42 | c|int | ah? |
| 07:02.53 | xopey_ | failed to load module kbd, mouse, synaptics |
| 07:03.01 | c|int | i been there with debian.. like 30 times on stuff :) |
| 07:03.09 | cwheeler | i just installed X and got the same error i think the package is broken |
| 07:03.11 | c|int | especially with X issues, or graphic drivers :) |
| 07:03.13 | xopey_ | what x config app do i use |
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| 07:03.36 | cwheeler | my other debian system wants to update xorg |
| 07:03.36 | c|int | lmao guess what guys |
| 07:03.40 | cwheeler | but it works |
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| 07:03.52 | xopey_ | erm, it works |
| 07:03.56 | c|int | walmart has a nice logitech, wireless usb.. lx7 , etc.. works really awesome.. on etch :P |
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| 07:03.58 | jetscreamer | !tell xopey_ -about drxx |
| 07:04.30 | hark | xopey_: relax this seems to be a very common bug. |
| 07:04.39 | xopey_ | i figured |
| 07:04.45 | xopey_ | i'm just ready to see a desktop again |
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| 07:04.52 | c|int | always common bugs with deban xopey :) |
| 07:04.59 | hark | xopey_: install xserver-xorg-input-kbd/mouse/synaptics |
| 07:05.01 | c|int | debian*** |
| 07:05.02 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian (for reference) |
| 07:05.09 | c|int | hehe |
| 07:05.26 | xopey_ | apt-get install xserver-xort-input-kbd |
| 07:05.36 | jetscreamer | xorg |
| 07:05.36 | hark | xopey_: yes, for each |
| 07:05.39 | jetscreamer | not xort |
| 07:05.45 | hark | xort? |
| 07:05.47 | xopey_ | :) |
| 07:05.50 | xopey_ | type |
| 07:05.56 | jetscreamer | there is a metapackage for all the xorg drivers iirc |
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| 07:06.08 | jetscreamer | i thought it got installed with xorg |
| 07:06.10 | hark | input-all, iirc |
| 07:06.11 | c|int | lmao. maybe we all should get together at a convention, and talk about a debian install, and issues :) |
| 07:06.22 | c|int | that'd be cool :) |
| 07:06.32 | xopey_ | nope |
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| 07:06.37 | xopey_ | wasn't installed |
| 07:06.40 | jetscreamer | udev and 2 pata controllers is the worst install hell |
| 07:06.47 | jetscreamer | when nobody knew |
| 07:06.52 | c|int | hee |
| 07:07.19 | hark | xopey_: then check the Driver: section of your xorg.conf (Section Device). It'll probably be incorrect as well |
| 07:07.28 | xopey_ | should i do the input-all option instead? |
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| 07:07.36 | hark | xopey_: no need |
| 07:07.39 | xopey_ | okay |
| 07:07.52 | maddash | I tried to setup my x to use fglrx. so I ran the ati installer, loaded the fglrx modules, and first tried fglrxinfo - this returned "Error: unable to open display :0". next I tried to startx. all I got was a blank screen, but ctrl+alt+del still works. I check /var/log/Xorg.0.log...the only error ("(EE)") I can find is that X has trouble loading some file: "Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so"...any ideas? |
| 07:07.52 | hark | xopey_: just install those 3 |
| 07:08.02 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: ^^ might help you too |
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| 07:08.31 | hark | hmm |
| 07:08.34 | hark | !fglrx |
| 07:08.34 | dpkg | i guess fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 07:09.06 | jetscreamer | maddash: if you get desperate |
| 07:09.08 | jetscreamer | http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh |
| 07:09.12 | maddash | hark: I did not use the fglrx-driver from the repos, b/c that is version 8.28, while the one the ati installer installed was 8.32.5 |
| 07:09.26 | xopey_ | hark, isn't there a decent xorg configuration tool |
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| 07:09.45 | PingFloyd | xopey_: configuration tools are hit and miss |
| 07:09.54 | hark | !drxx xopey_ |
| 07:09.54 | dpkg | xopey_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 07:10.13 | hark | xopey_: but, did you do what I said? |
| 07:10.33 | xopey_ | yes, i installed the 3 pkgs |
| 07:10.43 | xopey_ | now i'm looking at the driver section of my xorg.conf |
| 07:10.55 | hark | xopey_: great. does it say apm? |
| 07:11.04 | jetscreamer | make that when, not if |
| 07:11.28 | jetscreamer | yes there is a kickass xorg configuration too |
| 07:11.32 | jetscreamer | it's called gedit |
| 07:11.33 | xopey_ | i see apm |
| 07:11.40 | xopey_ | ha |
| 07:11.49 | hark | xopey_: what graphics card? |
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| 07:11.50 | xopey_ | ah, but gedit is gui based |
| 07:11.59 | maddash | btw....with regards to the "fglrx_drv.so" mentioned previously, the file exists, in the proper location... |
| 07:11.59 | xopey_ | intel 915GM |
| 07:12.00 | jetscreamer | see also nano -w |
| 07:12.04 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer I don't find snd_alsa_oss_ |
| 07:12.05 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 07:12.13 | jetscreamer | NaufraGo: what kernel |
| 07:12.29 | jetscreamer | uname -r in a terminal |
| 07:12.32 | NaufraGo | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 07:12.35 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:12.58 | jetscreamer | you don't have alsa in the kernel. or so. |
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| 07:13.14 | xopey_ | hark: , in the log, open acpi failed |
| 07:13.21 | jetscreamer | i was telling you about 2.6 sorry |
| 07:13.28 | NaufraGo | I installed alsa, alsa-modules .. audio works great on my system |
| 07:13.31 | xopey_ | i see a pci scan (in hex) |
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| 07:13.47 | jetscreamer | there is an alsa-oss-compat package iirc |
| 07:14.15 | hark | xopey_: yes, install xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 07:14.16 | BlenderKitty | so what are the hot p2p clients these days? |
| 07:14.16 | maddash | anyone have an idea of why startx can't find fglrx_drv.so ? |
| 07:14.16 | jetscreamer | !info alsa-oss |
| 07:14.16 | dpkg | alsa-oss: (ALSA wrapper for OSS applications), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 07:14.28 | maddash | I even ran sudo startx |
| 07:14.35 | maddash | though that shouldn't be necessary |
| 07:14.36 | xopey_ | hark: , where'd you find that? |
| 07:14.57 | xopey_ | still "fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 07:15.10 | hark | xopey_: yes, you have to change apm as well |
| 07:15.12 | xopey_ | and (EE) no devices detected |
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| 07:15.30 | hark | xopey_: to whatever is used for intel |
| 07:15.36 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer xmms works great with oss 1.2.10 , does it mean quake2 qhould work with oss? |
| 07:15.49 | NaufraGo | should |
| 07:15.54 | xopey_ | what, does intel use acpi? |
| 07:16.11 | hark | xopey_: change "apm" to "i810" and try |
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| 07:16.49 | xopey_ | i love you hark |
| 07:16.52 | xopey_ | i c a desktop!!! |
| 07:17.13 | xopey_ | a beautiful beautiful desktop |
| 07:17.31 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer, I installed alsa-oss , quake2's audio doesn't work |
| 07:17.33 | xopey_ | so, how did you know i needed the i810 driver? where did you find that |
| 07:17.53 | hark | maddash: I found the free ati drivers give me stisfactory 3d. But, you could use the option in the ati installer to generate Ubuntu packages and install them. |
| 07:18.12 | maddash | hark: never mind, I solved the problem myself.... |
| 07:18.20 | maddash | hark: thank you, though |
| 07:18.25 | hark | maddash: just run the usual m-a a-i stuff then. |
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| 07:18.31 | maddash | hark: I failed to install libstdc++5 |
| 07:18.49 | jetscreamer | kano does it for ubuntu also |
| 07:18.49 | jetscreamer | or did |
| 07:18.52 | hark | maddash: ah, i see |
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| 07:19.04 | NaufraGo | jetscreamer, SNDDMA_Init: Could not mmap /dev/dsp. |
| 07:19.22 | BlenderKitty | leave |
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| 07:19.33 | maddash | hark: if you don't mind, could you tell me the specs on your hardware? |
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| 07:19.50 | maddash | harK: what does fgl_glxgears give in maximized window? |
| 07:19.52 | jetscreamer | not sure NaufraGo. it will work if you do it right, but my only advice is 'get a 2.6 kernel' |
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| 07:20.00 | hark | maddash: ati 9700 mobility radeon --> probably that's why |
| 07:21.09 | maddash | hark: what's the fps from the fgl_glxgears prog? I have a mobility x300... |
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| 07:21.49 | maddash | hark: the fps chgs with window size - that's a bit weird |
| 07:21.56 | hark | maddash: i don't have that command. Maybe it's a fglrx thing |
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| 07:22.42 | maddash | hark: you don't have fglrx. I see. |
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| 07:23.08 | maddash | hark: fglrx is quite pitiful...probably not worth the effort I placed to install it |
| 07:23.09 | hark | maddash: yes, just the r300/350 drivers |
| 07:23.18 | NaufraGo | will I have any problem installing kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 07:23.51 | NaufraGo | will all devices, applications work great? |
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| 07:24.55 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 07:24.59 | Ramattack | anybody there? |
| 07:25.02 | enguillem | hi |
| 07:25.09 | maddash | is there a list somewhere that shows the contents of the "Standard" option (amongst "Desktop","Laptop","Mail Server", etc) of the etch installer? |
| 07:25.16 | enguillem | how are u Ramattack? |
| 07:25.38 | xopey_ | are binaries in /usr/bin in debian? |
| 07:25.46 | Ramattack | what could happen If I change debian default mta and don't allow mail to local users created by debian packages, I say www-data, rsync, root...? |
| 07:26.06 | maddash | I'd prefer to leave out "Standard" and only keep "Laptop" -- boots significantly faster than "Standard" + "Laptop" |
| 07:26.16 | maddash | xopey_: was that directed at me? |
| 07:26.22 | xopey_ | whoever |
| 07:26.30 | streuner | local users don't get any mails then? ;-) |
| 07:26.30 | xopey_ | i just installed elinks and cant find it |
| 07:26.32 | PingFloyd | xopey_: that's one of the places |
| 07:26.41 | maddash | xopey_: locate elinks |
| 07:26.46 | teledyn | maddash: do you know if the current xorg ati driver supports DRI? |
| 07:26.47 | Ramattack | could this damage debian system? |
| 07:26.47 | maddash | xopey_: sudo locate elinks |
| 07:26.55 | xopey_ | updating db now |
| 07:27.01 | maddash | teledyn: yes. it should. |
| 07:27.12 | maddash | teledyn: xserver-xorg-video-ati, that is |
| 07:27.25 | PingFloyd | or find / -name elinks |
| 07:27.30 | c|int | back |
| 07:27.34 | PingFloyd | takes longer though |
| 07:27.37 | cam | when i read a movie with totem movie palyer, I can play the sound. When i try to use VLC, i don't have any sound, "cannot write to output device /dev/dsp" . How can I check which device Totem is using ? |
| 07:27.40 | teledyn | maddash: i read somewhere that recently it was performing equal or better to proprietary driver, but didn't know if it was included or was and extra compile |
| 07:27.43 | xopey_ | found it |
| 07:27.46 | maddash | pingfloyd: isn't it find / -iname elinks? |
| 07:27.49 | c|int | so xopey, I want to specify prefs for the mount.. yeah.. I been meaning to get to that as well.. |
| 07:27.51 | Ramattack | could anybody help me please? |
| 07:28.02 | c|int | i might be able to help |
| 07:28.08 | PingFloyd | iirc -iname just means case-insenstive |
| 07:28.13 | teledyn | xopey_: just type "which elinks" |
| 07:28.13 | PingFloyd | insensitive |
| 07:28.17 | c|int | depending on what kind of issue it is, and that I have experience or research on |
| 07:28.17 | xopey_ | yeah, so did you find in the prefs where tha's located |
| 07:28.19 | NaufraGo | nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-2-686 what kernel does it work in? |
| 07:28.26 | teledyn | xopey_: or "dpkg -L elinks |less" to see all the contents |
| 07:28.30 | xopey_ | thanks teledyn, maddash |
| 07:28.36 | maddash | teledyn: I'd love to get my hands on that link... |
| 07:28.52 | bokey | cam, lsof | grep totem | grep dsp |
| 07:28.52 | teledyn | maddash: about the ati performance? |
| 07:28.52 | maddash | teledyn: perhaps all this effort is unnecessary.... |
| 07:28.58 | maddash | teledyn: yep |
| 07:29.05 | PingFloyd | or dpkg -c on the archive itself will show you where it put everything from the package |
| 07:29.21 | c|int | I did studying on the nvidia drivers, and I have an nvidia ge force fx 5200 in my workstation, and what I can recommend to do best, and get the best 3d graphic acceleration, is get the official nvidia drivers from nvidia, and run the sh script |
| 07:29.28 | c|int | believe they wrote it in perl |
| 07:29.43 | c|int | at least thats where I Think sh scripts come from |
| 07:29.50 | c|int | :) |
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| 07:30.09 | c|int | thats what I will do anyways :) |
| 07:30.17 | teledyn | maddash: look in the "User experience" section here: http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx |
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| 07:30.46 | maddash | ok, I just wrote a script to install the minimal packages necessary to jump from a "Laptop"-option only setup to one with startx (start X) -- going to test it now |
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| 07:30.50 | hark | maddash: man tasksel for the list |
| 07:31.05 | teledyn | maddash: "With recent x11-drm-20060608 driver (gentoo) and thinkpad t42 (ati 9600) the speed is confirmed as 1900fps without any single crash so far." i think that entry's a bit old |
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| 07:31.23 | Ramattack | hey hark maddash teledyn would you know please something abut my question? |
| 07:31.23 | maddash | hark: huh? man tasksel...how's that related to list of packages installed by "Standard"? |
| 07:31.25 | k-man | hi |
| 07:31.45 | PingFloyd | c|int: some people don't like proprietary drivers though |
| 07:31.53 | c|int | i understand that |
| 07:31.57 | c|int | its np |
| 07:32.01 | k-man | when i plug my usb mp3 player in, somehow the kernel finds it but just says "usb 1-1.2: no configuration chosen from 1 choice" |
| 07:32.02 | hark | maddash: it tells you how to list them. |
| 07:32.21 | c|int | nvidia doesn't reveil there source code though, and how everything to get the full hardware performance, out of it |
| 07:32.23 | k-man | and then i can't seem to find any mount point to mount my usb mp3 player |
| 07:32.33 | c|int | so if you can reverse engineer enough, and do it, go for it by all means :) |
| 07:32.36 | PingFloyd | ideally, nvidia would take the free open source approach with their drivers, but I think hell will freeze over before then :) |
| 07:32.45 | c|int | ye[ "_ |
| 07:32.48 | c|int | yep :) |
| 07:32.55 | c|int | but we all have vision :) |
| 07:33.05 | teledyn | you guys, i know this is totally OT, but i found this cool site that predicts when you can view passing satellite flares from your location: heavens-above.com |
| 07:33.06 | c|int | I do what I want to do, on my systems.. period |
| 07:33.25 | maddash | teledyn: glxgears fps output varies HIGHLY with the window size, and window iconification state (when minimized, it gives the highest fps...) |
| 07:33.40 | c|int | funny thing is.. |
| 07:33.48 | maddash | teledyn: I'm using a t43 w/ radeon x300, though...so I'm not sure if the same rules apply |
| 07:33.59 | c|int | running my windows xp pro vlk , in vmware, and showing instructors and other people at Barnes & NObles :) |
| 07:34.43 | xopey_ | hey c|int , i hooked up my ipod for the first time in deb |
| 07:34.47 | teledyn | tonight i saw the ISS pass overhead. its *really* bright now with the new solar array |
| 07:34.48 | c|int | k |
| 07:34.50 | xopey_ | how do i get it to auto mount |
| 07:34.55 | xopey_ | or do i have to manually mount it |
| 07:34.59 | c|int | well, I'm in xfce |
| 07:35.03 | c|int | right now |
| 07:35.08 | maddash | hark: whoa cool. didn't know what tasksel was for until now. thought it was some cron/anacron clone...haha. |
| 07:35.10 | c|int | gnome is diff for that, it should automount |
| 07:35.11 | maddash | hark: thanks |
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| 07:35.33 | hark | maddash: np :) |
| 07:35.35 | c|int | I'm so liking xfce alot more than I used to use it.. :) |
| 07:35.35 | PingFloyd | iirc, with gnome it's gnome-volume-manager along with hald or something |
| 07:35.43 | teledyn | maddash: from that entry it sounded like you had to compile the driver from a special branch of x11 or something |
| 07:35.43 | c|int | stable, fast, leight weight :) |
| 07:35.59 | PingFloyd | might be more involved than just those 2 though |
| 07:36.06 | c|int | I still run gnome though |
| 07:36.17 | hark | c|int: no city lights in the way? |
| 07:36.19 | PingFloyd | I like gnome, but it's a bit of a hog |
| 07:36.32 | c|int | gave enlightenment, and fluxbox a try many times.. just not what I really want to develop off of.. but still there awesome window managers.. for power needs :) |
| 07:36.42 | maddash | teledyn: technically, you did...I actually followed the instructions from the ubuntu wiki ("BINARY DRIVERS HOWTO") - well, modified a bit to apply to Etch.... |
| 07:36.45 | PingFloyd | I like it's interface, but wish it had option for tiling |
| 07:36.49 | teledyn | hark: was that for me? |
| 07:36.56 | c|int | yep |
| 07:37.03 | hark | teledyn: ah, oops |
| 07:37.08 | maddash | teledyn: just install the appropriate tools and the ati installer will compile on it's own. |
| 07:37.11 | teledyn | hark: its magnitude was at least -1 which is very bright |
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| 07:37.25 | PingFloyd | I have yet to find any DE or WM that aren't either lacking something I want, or do something in a way I'm not wild about |
| 07:37.41 | teledyn | maddash: i'm not talking about the ati installer, but the x11 driver mentioned in that entry |
| 07:37.46 | c|int | xfce, man I tell ya, my vmware workstation is performing alot higher than it was in gnome, and 512 ddr 2 ram, in acer aspire.. wil get more.. pci express. celeron m, workstation has more power on the graphic side.. but not the pci express.. |
| 07:38.08 | xopey_ | alright, i'm really going to bed y'all |
| 07:38.09 | PingFloyd | still hoping to someday find a wm that works best for my habits |
| 07:38.09 | teledyn | hark: i read that with the new panel it might be as bright as -3 which is close to venus' magnitude |
| 07:38.22 | rahul | teledyn: wow |
| 07:38.26 | c|int | my next system, I'm just going go with either an AMD FX / Opteron , etc.. 512 minimum pci graphics, or 1 GB :) and probably 4 GB of ram :) |
| 07:38.26 | maddash | teledyn: fglrx, you mean? |
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| 07:38.28 | hark | teledyn: that's quite bright! |
| 07:38.28 | xopey_ | thanks for stepping me through the whole debian install and X config everybody!! |
| 07:38.40 | rahul | I need some hot pepper jelly to celebrate that |
| 07:38.49 | c|int | well |
| 07:38.50 | teledyn | hark: it was! it was really cool to watch it haul ass across the sky tonight! |
| 07:38.53 | xopey_ | special thanks to jetscreamer, hark, c|int |
| 07:39.00 | PingFloyd | for me, xfce and gnome seem about around same performance, but my comparison is based upon older versions for sarge |
| 07:39.02 | c|int | we can develop are own you know pinkfloyd, as anyone can |
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| 07:39.22 | PingFloyd | also, with my gnome install, I've omitted alot of the superfluous crap |
| 07:39.24 | c|int | well, just manage the services. and startup scripts etc. and run levels |
| 07:39.33 | c|int | you'll see a difference guranteed |
| 07:39.36 | maddash | !where hark |
| 07:39.41 | maddash | !where teledyn |
| 07:39.46 | c|int | it also depends on what you choose for file system |
| 07:39.50 | PingFloyd | c|int: totally |
| 07:39.51 | maddash | arghhhhhhh I wanna see the ISS!! |
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| 07:40.00 | PingFloyd | seem like managing those can make a world of difference |
| 07:40.01 | teledyn | maddash: check the site i posted |
| 07:40.17 | PingFloyd | one thing I did was stip away all the accessible stuff |
| 07:40.25 | PingFloyd | and get rid of alot of 'recommends' |
| 07:40.31 | PingFloyd | helped a bit |
| 07:40.38 | maddash | I did...doesn't come around until the 7th... |
| 07:40.44 | teledyn | plus you can see iridium flares, some of which are -8 magnitude. they list when they will occur at your coordinates |
| 07:40.52 | c|int | I don't consider myself an expert with platform or file systems, and knowing everything, but I'm well off and on the right path, and for being into multiple platforms, and hardware, understanding... for the most part.. and familar with BSD system as well |
| 07:40.54 | PingFloyd | nice thing about debian is how they try to divide up packages nicely |
| 07:41.00 | PingFloyd | where possible |
| 07:41.21 | c|int | PingFloyd: , we so should team up as well bud |
| 07:41.25 | maddash | pingfloyd: nicer thing about debian is how it boots faster than molasses |
| 07:41.30 | PingFloyd | c|int: it all gives a large perspective on alot |
| 07:41.37 | c|int | yeah |
| 07:41.38 | teledyn | i got my coordinates from terraserver.microsoft.com. there's probably other ways |
| 07:41.47 | maddash | pingfloyd: molasses being ubuntu-desktop/-server |
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| 07:42.07 | maddash | maddash: stop trolling |
| 07:42.08 | c|int | you just have to take the rudeness with a grain of salt, and I don't spend much time chatting on IRC< etc.. I use a decentralized peer to peer... and support alot of users on there |
| 07:42.15 | PingFloyd | maddash: I haven't used ubuntu, but I suspect they add alot of extra services and add-on by default |
| 07:42.18 | atrus | the etch release notes refer to volatile.debian.org as the source for official volatile packages... but that doesn't seem to exist yet. is that an oversight, or something that's still being worked on? |
| 07:42.32 | PingFloyd | my guess is they take the approach of adding everything that someone somewhere may want |
| 07:42.37 | c|int | a programmer, that wrote a nice community based client, in delphi, asked me to design a virtual machine for him, with kylix running in it |
| 07:42.47 | teledyn | maddash: are you telling yourself to stop trolling :-) |
| 07:42.48 | maddash | pingfloyd: yeah. ubuntu is highly cross-platform and works with a variety of hardware, but the tradeoff is speed and size. |
| 07:42.58 | maddash | teledyn: that was my conscience |
| 07:43.06 | c|int | exactly |
| 07:43.12 | c|int | I agree with you maddash |
| 07:43.36 | PingFloyd | yeah, it seems like everything is always a tradeoff one way or another |
| 07:43.57 | rahul | they install everything "just in case" you need it |
| 07:43.59 | PingFloyd | for extra speed, seems like often functionality is sacrificed |
| 07:44.01 | maddash | 'course. scarce resources. |
| 07:44.01 | rahul | because you wouldn't know |
| 07:44.17 | PingFloyd | the key usually seems to be stripping away the functionality you don't care about, if possible |
| 07:44.21 | c|int | I used ubuntu for a very long time, and even when I do get fustrated, I think about installing ubuntu, and using all the books I got, even to hack the system, but then I ask myself, is it really worth going through all them troubles, just to get something to work how I want, and power optimize a system, that has been bulked out way too much, when I can just force myself to understand so many things with debian, and include my own |
| 07:44.21 | c|int | ideas |
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| 07:44.50 | maddash | pingfloyd: most of the stuff is integrated into the kernel... |
| 07:44.54 | PingFloyd | c|int: the nice thing about Debian is that it's nice and versatile |
| 07:44.56 | c|int | sorry for all that |
| 07:45.07 | PingFloyd | it's a distro that grows more and more a person |
| 07:45.24 | maddash | haha - "sudo free" returned < 90 MB phys mem used....even w/icewm loaded... |
| 07:45.25 | c|int | well, it can be fustrating alot, as we all know.. and I started back with getting familar with it, and I sitll don't know everything I should know.. back in 2005 |
| 07:45.33 | PingFloyd | maddash: yeah, but that's what custom kernel builds are for ;) |
| 07:45.38 | c|int | with Sarge, Xandros showed me the way to debian world |
| 07:45.51 | c|int | heck my first distro I tried, was Mandrake 10.0 |
| 07:45.51 | chemaja | one thing that ubuntu is nicer about than debian... they turn off listening ports by default |
| 07:45.57 | maddash | pingfloyd: I guess...but if you choose that path, why not go gentoo? |
| 07:46.04 | c|int | well we can do that as well, right? right |
| 07:46.13 | cwheeler | can I install older .debs with apt-get? |
| 07:46.19 | c|int | this how I see it as well |
| 07:46.25 | PingFloyd | gentoo is cool, but in alot ways, you still wouldn't be better off than debian |
| 07:46.29 | teledyn | chemaja: and debian doesn't? |
| 07:46.30 | c|int | would you rather remodel a house, and go through so much to remodel it, |
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| 07:46.38 | c|int | or would you rather build it how you want :) and so on |
| 07:46.39 | maddash | how come "free" returns successively larger numbers (for used phys mem) over a period of usage? |
| 07:46.44 | PingFloyd | to see a real difference, you probably would want to go with LFS |
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| 07:47.07 | c|int | lol PingFloyd |
| 07:47.13 | c|int | i won't go there :P |
| 07:47.16 | chemaja | teledyn: etch doesn't |
| 07:47.24 | maddash | c|int: being the paranoid fool I am, I'd leave the house and find myself a cave |
| 07:47.33 | teledyn | chemaja: which ports are you talking about? |
| 07:47.37 | chemaja | teledyn: ie. after i install some packages, the services in those packages are turned on instead of waiting for me to do it |
| 07:47.37 | c|int | with LFS or gentoo no offense, I tried alot of systems and to do things, even I knew this Slackware user, and he worked at this computer tech place |
| 07:47.42 | chemaja | teledyn: avahi-daemon, portmap, etc. |
| 07:47.48 | c|int | you guys wouldn't believe what system he went from. .from slackware |
| 07:47.56 | c|int | lol maddash |
| 07:47.56 | maddash | how come "free" returns successively larger numbers (for used phys mem) over a period of usage? |
| 07:47.59 | teledyn | chemaja: is portmap only listening to localhost by default? |
| 07:48.08 | chemaja | teledyn: iirc, no |
| 07:48.10 | vulture | dpkg: tell maddash about free |
| 07:48.15 | PingFloyd | slackware is one of the earliest ones |
| 07:48.16 | chemaja | teledyn: i don't care about local listeners |
| 07:48.19 | c|int | anyone want to take a guess? |
| 07:48.31 | c|int | you'll laugh |
| 07:48.32 | c|int | :P |
| 07:48.35 | maddash | !tell me about fre |
| 07:48.37 | PingFloyd | my only gripe about slackware is lack of good installation over the internet |
| 07:48.38 | maddash | !tell me about free |
| 07:48.39 | teledyn | chemaja: i think i recall having to tell it to only listen to localhost |
| 07:48.47 | chemaja | teledyn: yea. |
| 07:48.47 | c|int | he told me he was programming since 5 too, really he is a bright cat, :) |
| 07:48.52 | PingFloyd | guess there are third-party options that address that though |
| 07:48.52 | maddash | vulture: nothing... |
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| 07:49.11 | vulture | maddash: lots of things.. |
| 07:49.20 | teledyn | chemaja: OPTIONS="-i 127.0.0.1" in /etc/default/portmap |
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| 07:49.25 | maddash | vulture: I meant that I wasn't seeing anything |
| 07:49.28 | c|int | PingFloyd: , guess what distro he went from slackware too :P |
| 07:49.35 | vulture | dpkg will have messaged you with the info |
| 07:49.37 | maddash | c|int: ubuntu |
| 07:49.40 | c|int | yep :P |
| 07:49.44 | vulture | alternatively |
| 07:49.45 | c|int | i was like no way |
| 07:49.45 | vulture | !free |
| 07:49.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 07:49.46 | c|int | :P |
| 07:49.46 | chemaja | teledyn: i know how to fix it, it's just annoying |
| 07:49.50 | chemaja | teledyn: fedora core does it too |
| 07:49.57 | PingFloyd | c|int: to debian? |
| 07:50.07 | maddash | c|int: oh god, I was speaking in jest |
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| 07:50.07 | c|int | then says.. first thing he does, it remove gnome |
| 07:50.11 | teledyn | chemaja: ubuntu doesn't? |
| 07:50.13 | c|int | lmao.. forget installing it, install it as a server.. duh :P |
| 07:50.44 | c|int | if your going to go through all that trouble.. lmao.. just develop , code, program, hack off of debian, heck even BSD, or even yeah.. LFS |
| 07:50.45 | c|int | :P |
| 07:50.52 | maddash | vulture: still not clear...do I take into accnt the value under "buff/cache" by adding? |
| 07:50.55 | chemaja | teledyn: well, it installs a Gnome desktop by default, and there were no non-local TCP/UDP listeners. If I install xorg and gnome on Debian, there are. |
| 07:51.05 | c|int | or openbsd. I hear is a really awesome system for security :) |
| 07:51.14 | chemaja | teledyn: this is for Dapper, iirc. |
| 07:51.31 | chemaja | not that i use Ubuntu anymore |
| 07:51.31 | PingFloyd | c|int: yeah, isn't ubuntu pretty much built around gnome? |
| 07:51.38 | c|int | yep |
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| 07:51.50 | PingFloyd | plain ubuntu that is, I know about kubuntu |
| 07:51.51 | vulture | maddash: In short: look at the second line of output instead of the first.. |
| 07:51.51 | chemaja | c|int: i'm building up an LFS at the moment |
| 07:52.18 | c|int | sounds interesting |
| 07:52.18 | PingFloyd | chemaja: me too |
| 07:52.19 | vulture | maddash: Free memory is wasted memory. Linux decides not to waste it and instead uses it to cache data from your disks and things like that. |
| 07:52.24 | PingFloyd | I'm building an LFS also |
| 07:52.27 | c|int | lmao @ u guys |
| 07:52.30 | vulture | so you should always have close to no free memory |
| 07:52.32 | c|int | wish I had the time :) |
| 07:52.50 | c|int | at least thats the desktop environment for Mark, PingFloyd, and was.. |
| 07:53.11 | PingFloyd | c|int: something I do in spare time |
| 07:53.14 | PingFloyd | little by little |
| 07:53.22 | maddash | vulture: uhhh |
| 07:53.29 | c|int | in my opinion though.. and I use to be a KDE user all the way, preference ya know.. etc.. but I seen how KDE crashed more, and gnome was alot more stable, and xfce, I'm really enjoying alot more, from experiencing with on that live cd, PHLAK :) |
| 07:53.31 | maddash | vulture: you said "second line"? |
| 07:53.55 | c|int | it gets to the point though |
| 07:53.55 | vulture | yes - the one titled "-/+ buffers/cache:" |
| 07:53.57 | maddash | vulture: so the intersection of "used" column and "buff/cache" is the actualy memory used? |
| 07:54.09 | c|int | and what i understand, and researched, its how you compile the packages for your architecture |
| 07:54.14 | maddash | vulture: ie, the phys memory used? |
| 07:54.19 | c|int | for your system. your hardware, and how they can be optimized, and how they are optimized, |
| 07:54.20 | vulture | no - the second line, taken alone, is the memory free/used by things other than the cache |
| 07:54.27 | c|int | and goes beyond that as well |
| 07:54.33 | maddash | vulture: ie, the phys memory used by apps, right? |
| 07:54.34 | vulture | It's all in use, just some of it's used by kernel caches, and some is used by applications & the like.. |
| 07:54.40 | chemaja | PingFloyd: same... spare time, slowly. mine's in a vmware guest under XP |
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| 07:54.43 | maddash | vulture: ie, the phys memory used by Xorg, wm, etc? |
| 07:54.47 | vulture | right.. |
| 07:54.56 | PingFloyd | chemaja: I'm doing mine under a chroot |
| 07:55.08 | maddash | omg. this is insane...Im using 38 mb phys memory |
| 07:55.08 | c|int | the thing is.. I want really for debian.. to run like i586, because I know thats what my processor is.. its a celeron m , but I know its just a downgraded pentium m, and its cpu class, still is i586 |
| 07:55.13 | chemaja | PingFloyd: im using the LFS life CD :) |
| 07:55.16 | maddash | while running icewm |
| 07:55.17 | vulture | maddash: Why's that insane? |
| 07:55.27 | maddash | vulture; the amt of phys mem I'm using |
| 07:55.31 | vulture | *shrugs* |
| 07:55.37 | c|int | I'm just not near enough, to understand how to recompile kernels, etc.. I got the books though, understanding linxu kernel and more, tons more, and just need to read hee |
| 07:55.40 | PingFloyd | chemaja: if I used the live CD it would probably save me from these perplexing errors that I'm getting with the test suite with glibc |
| 07:55.45 | chemaja | heh |
| 07:55.46 | diazepam | can anyone send me a link or breifly outline how one removes a package and then marks it so it doesnt get installed the next time the system upgrades (e.g. remove kde games, etc..) |
| 07:55.46 | chemaja | pwnt |
| 07:55.52 | maddash | thanks vulture |
| 07:56.03 | c|int | and you know what PingFloyd and others |
| 07:56.24 | c|int | point is too, a system that could be engineered for specific hardware, and focus on those architectures.. |
| 07:56.48 | c|int | its kind of hard.. for a developer.. to really be an expert on every architecture that has been implemented.. and debian runs on alot |
| 07:56.49 | moshii | c|int: tests have shown that compiling all your stuff for i586, i686 sin't worth a shit |
| 07:56.53 | chemaja | PingFloyd: i think i might do mine with EVMS |
| 07:56.57 | c|int | oh really? |
| 07:57.04 | PingFloyd | c|int: configuring the kernel is about educated guess work and some trial and error |
| 07:57.17 | PingFloyd | unless you just throw everything in there |
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| 07:57.35 | moshii | c|int: there are benchmarks somewhere showing a stock debian system outperforming a tweaked gentoo system in most cases |
| 07:57.36 | c|int | so even though I know acer aspire 3610, is an i586 class, it doesn't matter if its running on i686? |
| 07:57.38 | PingFloyd | alot of the options I kind of understand, but there is alot of ambiguity involved |
| 07:57.43 | c|int | haha |
| 07:57.55 | c|int | that would be diff as well, for intel and amD< and so on :) |
| 07:58.11 | PingFloyd | also, kernel-package is your best friend |
| 07:58.19 | c|int | it is ? |
| 07:58.20 | c|int | :P |
| 07:58.31 | c|int | see, there still is thousands of things i"m not into PingFloyd :P |
| 07:59.15 | c|int | yet :) |
| 07:59.19 | PingFloyd | c|int: in my case, I had to, to get my ancient sound card working :) |
| 07:59.32 | c|int | haha |
| 07:59.33 | moshii | c|int: just install the closest kernel and libc to your arch and leave it at that |
| 07:59.58 | teledyn | the amount under "Used" in the second line is the actual memory usage minus the extra being used for disk caching? |
| 08:00.11 | c|int | well, I had to hack my broadcoms firmware etc.. and teach myself how to get vmware working, and understanding all them services, and runlevels, stil not a pro, but I'm into alot of the security and performance :) |
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| 08:00.39 | c|int | thing is moshii, I'm never going to leave something at that, because I have the undying ambition that never stops :).. thanks though |
| 08:01.21 | c|int | why don't you go tell Ian Murdock, Gates, Kris Moore, or reverse engineers, to leave something at that.. :) |
| 08:01.30 | moshii | c|int: the point is that any gains are going to be in operating memory etc ... and applications are all going to use libc or kernel interfaces to do that stuff, so there is *NO* point in rebuilding applications |
| 08:01.33 | c|int | not going to happen as long as theres life in me :) |
| 08:01.46 | c|int | I hear ya :) |
| 08:01.55 | c|int | <--- open minded cat |
| 08:02.10 | c|int | I need help with banshee :) |
| 08:02.11 | RvGaTe | \o/ |
| 08:02.16 | c|int | then I'll be smiling |
| 08:02.23 | c|int | hee hee |
| 08:02.25 | moshii | you might get some gains in mplayer etc, but that operates dynamically now and there is no need for per-cpu builds |
| 08:02.42 | PingFloyd | the crazy optimization ricing usually seems to be very minimal in performance gains |
| 08:02.44 | c|int | you good with ipods etc? |
| 08:02.45 | PingFloyd | in most cases |
| 08:03.03 | moshii | PingFloyd: and causes lots and lots of segfaults in return |
| 08:03.05 | PingFloyd | if anything, more than anything, hurt stability |
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| 08:03.18 | c|int | I've got all kinds of books and everything, but I"m wondering if its my ipod nano 4gb, shouldn't be.. nothing is wrong with it at all |
| 08:03.21 | PingFloyd | I don't think it's a worthy tradeoff imho |
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| 08:03.50 | PingFloyd | I'll take a system running .02% slower on average for gaining rock solid stability |
| 08:03.55 | chemaja | why do most major distros default to LVM if EVMS is more advanced? |
| 08:04.04 | moshii | PingFloyd: the best things to do would to be build a system with intel's compiler, but I don't think that can be done :( |
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| 08:04.10 | c|int | heya chemaja btw.. and Happy New year to u all :P |
| 08:04.18 | chemaja | c|int: yo |
| 08:04.22 | teledyn | PingFloyd: spend the time wasted compiling working a job and buy a machine with a faster CPU |
| 08:04.28 | c|int | moshii: , never think never :) |
| 08:05.04 | moshii | yeah, or just buy faster hardware hah |
| 08:05.10 | c|int | anything can be done.. dam it.. we traveled to the moon for cryin out loud.. and break through research, with SGi systems.. they can view the starter molecules that cause the HIV |
| 08:05.33 | c|int | were just in 2007, wait til we get in 2010 and so on :) |
| 08:06.14 | moshii | c|int: anything can be done. but anything won't be done if there's no cash in it |
| 08:06.48 | PingFloyd | moshii: if that's the case, we wouldn't have linux and gnu software |
| 08:07.09 | c|int | was dang hillarious.. back when I was full time at Robert Morris college, when instructors/professors said.. wel, to class, I think windows xp will allow you to dual boot 2 systems.. lmao I said with Acronis Disk Director Suite , I can boot and manage as many operating systems, that my hard drives will hold... cough |
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| 08:07.18 | c|int | yep haha |
| 08:07.19 | c|int | :D |
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| 08:07.29 | nayyares | i want to open 11001 port on my squid server, currently it is not giving connection, what iptables rule will do this, squid server is doing masquerading ? |
| 08:07.47 | rahul | "open" to what? |
| 08:07.49 | c|int | people are a gag |
| 08:07.58 | PingFloyd | lol, multi-booting has been around before windows ever existed |
| 08:07.58 | c|int | ^_^ |
| 08:08.06 | c|int | yeah I know.. |
| 08:08.27 | moshii | PingFloyd: why do you think linux has got where it is? |
| 08:08.28 | c|int | I just wasn't so much a geek... until 2004 :), and started with my ambition.. but its all good.. |
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| 08:08.49 | c|int | if I really would read all the books I got.. I would get even alot further, and I Do, when I really focus |
| 08:08.59 | moshii | PingFloyd: if there wasn't big business using it people like intel wouldn't be submitting pathces to the kernel that's for sure |
| 08:09.09 | c|int | I started taking centrum, the equate version, and it really has been helping |
| 08:09.29 | PingFloyd | linux would still be around if no big business had any interest in it |
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| 08:09.45 | PingFloyd | as long as there is an interest in developing it and using it, it will always exist |
| 08:09.51 | c|int | moshii, thing is, and point is. AMD was making processors for Intel, befoer Intel got where they are, and AMD beat intel to 64 bit processing |
| 08:09.55 | PingFloyd | same thing for foss |
| 08:10.01 | c|int | and now. with the Quad FX, there going loose them in the dust |
| 08:10.10 | c|int | smile :) |
| 08:10.17 | moshii | c|int: Intel own a nice stake in AMD IIRC |
| 08:10.38 | PingFloyd | you're right about the commercial organization submitting patches etc though |
| 08:10.55 | moshii | c|int: And the whole 64bit thing was pretty moot, ia64 was out before AMD64.. it's just no one using EPIC archs :P |
| 08:10.58 | PingFloyd | they definitely wouldn't have any interest in it if there was no interest by businesses to use it |
| 08:11.07 | c|int | http://virtualexperience.amd.com/ |
| 08:11.25 | c|int | :) |
| 08:11.31 | moshii | c|int: s/no one/no one is/ |
| 08:11.41 | rahul | as if ia64 was the first 64-bit chip.... |
| 08:11.41 | c|int | we all work together |
| 08:11.44 | c|int | period, end of story :) |
| 08:11.53 | c|int | and some of us, decide to go on are own vision and ambition :) |
| 08:11.58 | moshii | rahul: yup ;) |
| 08:12.14 | rahul | heh |
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| 08:13.21 | rahul | was the alpha the first commercial one? |
| 08:13.29 | rahul | that would be 1992 |
| 08:13.43 | moshii | Probably, either Alpha or MIPS? |
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| 08:13.54 | rahul | I think mips started as 32 bit |
| 08:14.03 | rahul | they probably took longer |
| 08:14.23 | moshii | Alpha was 64bit from the get-go? |
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| 08:14.54 | rahul | oh no. the 64 bit r4000 released in 1991 |
| 08:14.57 | rahul | moshii: yes |
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| 08:15.21 | rahul | moshii: that's why symbolics wrote their lisp machine emulator for it |
| 08:15.28 | mesut | hi, how do i install iptables sources ? |
| 08:15.38 | moshii | mesut: apt-get source iptables |
| 08:15.39 | cwheeler | looks like the latest xorg .debs are broken hopefull they'll be fixed soon |
| 08:16.00 | mesut | thankx moshii |
| 08:16.00 | rahul | moshii: the lisp machine worked on a 36-bit architecture and they didn't want to worry about people who might expect 32-bit software |
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| 08:16.21 | cwheeler | is there some easy way to download and install older packages? |
| 08:16.30 | c|int | give me a sec |
| 08:16.32 | moshii | rahul: What arch was 36bit? |
| 08:16.39 | moshii | cwheeler: snapshots.. |
| 08:16.41 | rahul | moshii: the lisp machine |
| 08:16.49 | mesut | moshii~ where does it install ? (not in /usr/src) |
| 08:16.55 | rahul | moshii: well, and the pdp-10, which was dominant in the lisp community before that |
| 08:17.03 | moshii | mesut: in the current working directory |
| 08:17.12 | mesut | oh ,i see |
| 08:17.17 | PingFloyd | you were right about MIPs producing the first 64-bit processor according to wikipedia |
| 08:17.20 | rahul | moshii: the problem with the pdp-10 was 16-bit addressing. the problems they were working on couldn't fit in that |
| 08:17.29 | moshii | rahul: I'm not old enough to have used any of that stuff :P |
| 08:17.31 | cwheeler | moshii where should I look for docs? |
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| 08:18.25 | moshii | rahul: First machine I owned was 32bit :) |
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| 08:19.27 | PingFloyd | first machine I owned was 8-bit |
| 08:20.00 | rahul | hmm, mine probably was, too |
| 08:20.00 | PingFloyd | was a ti99/4a |
| 08:20.06 | rahul | yeah, then it was :) |
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| 08:20.57 | PingFloyd | second one was a C64 |
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| 08:21.08 | rahul | my second one was a Mac SE/30 |
| 08:21.18 | PingFloyd | and my school had trash-80s |
| 08:21.38 | rahul | but that was just a loaner. we bought a Classic after that, and then got a used IIcx from my dad's company |
| 08:21.56 | PingFloyd | and later on, Apple II series |
| 08:22.12 | rahul | school had apple IIe till 5th grade, where we had a IIgs |
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| 08:22.20 | moshii | I had one Amiga 1200 for like 10 years |
| 08:22.24 | PingFloyd | mac SE was my 5th computer |
| 08:22.34 | PingFloyd | original SE |
| 08:22.44 | PingFloyd | with the 20 MB HD |
| 08:22.47 | messju | what should I preferably use for a sever a debian based webserver XEON 2,13 GHz, or a Pentium D 3.4 GHz? |
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| 08:22.55 | moshii | went 020, 030, 040 + PPC 603e + Permedia 2 based graphics :) |
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| 08:24.31 | rahul | messju: use a Mac IIfx |
| 08:25.04 | rahul | messju: or a Quadra 840 if you want to get fancy |
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| 08:25.42 | moshii | rahul: why not an Atari or Amiga .. macs are poo :P |
| 08:25.49 | rahul | bah |
| 08:25.59 | rahul | macs did all kinds of wacky shit |
| 08:26.09 | PingFloyd | except play games :) |
| 08:26.15 | rahul | those roms. crazy. |
| 08:26.23 | rahul | PingFloyd: actually, the ones they had were quite good |
| 08:26.25 | PingFloyd | erm, games that were worth playing anyway |
| 08:26.46 | rahul | but they weren't major commercial games |
| 08:26.46 | rahul | macski rocked |
| 08:27.00 | rahul | my friend would come over to my place to play games on my mac |
| 08:27.05 | PingFloyd | dark castle |
| 08:27.19 | rahul | and asterax |
| 08:27.40 | rahul | that one seriously rocked |
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| 08:29.19 | PingFloyd | remember crystal raiders? |
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| 08:31.47 | krenin | Hi folks. |
| 08:33.50 | krenin | Anyone awake? |
| 08:34.01 | c|int | http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/?action=view&slideshow=true |
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| 08:35.34 | neoalex | hi guys, what should I put in fstab so that the partition I'm mounting is writable by everyone |
| 08:36.20 | jetscreamer | what fs |
| 08:36.26 | neoalex | ramfs |
| 08:37.04 | rahul | neoalex: you don't |
| 08:37.19 | rahul | posix-compliant FSes have posix permissions |
| 08:38.15 | c|int | moshii: , you check that out? |
| 08:38.18 | c|int | ; ) |
| 08:38.28 | mesut | where is "iptables library directory" located ? |
| 08:38.36 | jetscreamer | chown the dir maybe |
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| 08:40.18 | dusan | hi |
| 08:40.31 | c|int | hi |
| 08:40.35 | dusan | i have mysql-server, mysql-server-4.1 and mysql-server-5.0 installed |
| 08:40.47 | dusan | 5.0 was installed with the recent upgrade i did |
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| 08:40.58 | dusan | but my apps won't work with 5.0...just 4.1 |
| 08:41.16 | dusan | when I want to remove 5.0...apt wants to remove all 3 versions |
| 08:41.27 | dusan | how do i tell debian to use mysql-server-4.1 |
| 08:42.26 | PingFloyd | dusan: are you trying to remove the meta-package for it? |
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| 08:42.40 | c|int | PingFloyd: .. did you check that out :-) |
| 08:42.44 | TraceGreen | #ubuntu |
| 08:42.46 | dusan | i'm trying to do apt-get remove mysql-server-5.1 |
| 08:42.51 | dusan | i'm trying to do apt-get remove mysql-server-5.0 |
| 08:43.00 | fireba11 | dusan: what you mean "apps won't work with 5.0" ? they all should |
| 08:43.16 | dusan | fireba11, it's kinda specific app |
| 08:43.31 | dusan | believe me that it won't work :) |
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| 08:44.16 | dusan | do you have any idea how to make debian use mysql-server-4.1 instead of 5.0? |
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| 08:45.14 | fireba11 | dusan: can't imagine why .. it should be fully backwards compatible |
| 08:45.25 | PingFloyd | dusan: not sure, but you might see if an environmental variable or symlink is involved to do that |
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| 08:45.58 | messju | you are sooo funny |
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| 08:46.33 | PingFloyd | maybe check into update-alternatives as well |
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| 08:48.51 | nayyares | howcan i check , what port is open in my proxy server? |
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| 08:49.14 | dusan | PingFloyd, nothing :( |
| 08:49.15 | brick | nayyares, nmap? |
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| 08:49.22 | cwheeler | i can't figure out how to install a snapshot |
| 08:49.38 | c|int | vmware? |
| 08:49.55 | PingFloyd | netstat? |
| 08:50.04 | c|int | what kind of snapshot :) |
| 08:50.16 | rahul | lvm? |
| 08:50.24 | c|int | lmao @ all of us asking questions |
| 08:50.37 | c|int | specify what you mean by snapshot :P |
| 08:50.37 | rahul | camera? |
| 08:50.40 | cast | ls? |
| 08:50.45 | rahul | cheese? |
| 08:50.53 | c|int | to what snapshot, are you referring to lol |
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| 08:50.59 | PingFloyd | I'm guessing he means some kind of debian snapshot |
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| 08:51.07 | c|int | or. what type of snapshot are you referring to :) |
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| 08:52.01 | cwheeler | right i want to install an older version of xorg |
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| 08:52.16 | cwheeler | the current version appears to be broken |
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| 08:52.49 | cwheeler | i'm looking at snapshot.debian.net but it's not clear how to install it |
| 08:53.04 | jetscreamer | did you see that download the xorg input packages cwheeler |
| 08:53.10 | jetscreamer | earlier |
| 08:53.36 | cwheeler | no let me scroll back |
| 08:53.38 | jetscreamer | apt-get install |
| 08:53.43 | jetscreamer | it's way up there i guess |
| 08:54.00 | cwheeler | another guy came along with the same problem i have so my guess is the current package is broken |
| 08:54.16 | PingFloyd | looks pretty straight forward |
| 08:54.25 | jetscreamer | <hark> xopey_: install xserver-xorg-input-kbd/mouse/synaptics |
| 08:54.46 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg-input-kbd etch |
| 08:55.04 | c|int | * is watching.. " Blood Diamond * ( DVD Transparent ) ^_^ |
| 08:55.20 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-input-kbd: (X.Org X server -- keyboard input driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.0-4 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 08:55.40 | jetscreamer | !info xserver-xorg-input-all etch |
| 08:55.47 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-input-all: (the X.Org X server -- input driver metapackage), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-8 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 08:56.06 | jetscreamer | try apt-getting that last one cwheeler |
| 08:56.27 | jetscreamer | the -all |
| 08:56.38 | cwheeler | ok |
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| 08:58.01 | concept10 | i wonder if decaf coffee is really decaf |
| 08:58.26 | saftsack | hi, does someone know a nice webmail client? i heard from some called something with box? |
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| 08:58.38 | cwheeler | that installed some stuff said there were unmet dependancies |
| 08:59.00 | jetscreamer | try apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:59.49 | cwheeler | now the error is "No devices found." |
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| 09:00.15 | hark | haha, another one |
| 09:00.32 | cwheeler | doing dist-upgrade now |
| 09:00.43 | c|int | guys, this movie is kick arse quality :P |
| 09:00.45 | Kryptor | quick question. i just apt-get install xinetd on debian, however inetd is still there.. whats the inetd package called so i can remove it? |
| 09:00.57 | c|int | * tries deeply to always get some great quality :) |
| 09:01.07 | cwheeler | there seem to be a lot of upgrades for something I installed late yesterday |
| 09:01.24 | cast | Kryptor: dpkg -l|grep inetd |
| 09:01.44 | Kryptor | thankyou |
| 09:01.59 | c|int | hey cast long time no see, lol |
| 09:02.09 | cast | hey c|int :> |
| 09:02.12 | c|int | :-) |
| 09:02.17 | Kryptor | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 09:02.17 | Kryptor | at bind exim4-base exim4-daemon-light mailx netbase netkit-inetd ppp |
| 09:02.17 | Kryptor | pppconfig pppoe pppoeconf telnet xinetd |
| 09:02.19 | Kryptor | hmm |
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| 09:02.26 | hark | cwheeler: what is the driver specified in xorg.conf? |
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| 09:02.37 | Kryptor | oops |
| 09:02.39 | c|int | I'm watching.. Blood Diamond, dvd quality too :P |
| 09:02.44 | cwheeler | i'll look hark |
| 09:02.52 | Kryptor | can i migrate it all to xinetd before i remove it |
| 09:02.53 | Kryptor | :P |
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| 09:03.31 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 09:03.51 | cwheeler | the driver is "apm" which is incorrect for an nvidia card right? |
| 09:04.01 | hark | cwheeler: yup, you've met the cool input and driver Xorg bug |
| 09:04.04 | c|int | correct |
| 09:04.15 | c|int | the actual driver, officially should be nvidia |
| 09:04.21 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: it's depends on their dependencies |
| 09:04.23 | c|int | others that are non official are usually "nv" |
| 09:04.35 | Ramattack | I wanted to know what could happen if you disable/uninstall debian mta and install a dummy mta package with equivs for fixing dependencies? |
| 09:04.37 | c|int | "nvidia" officially "nv" non official |
| 09:04.43 | cast | c|int: 'officially' according to debian or nvidia ;) |
| 09:04.46 | Kryptor | PingFloyd so there is no simple comamnd to migrate it accross |
| 09:04.49 | Kryptor | :( |
| 09:04.52 | c|int | ;) |
| 09:05.04 | cwheeler | i have to install the nvidia non-free drivers to use "nvidia" right? |
| 09:05.04 | c|int | each does what they want :-) |
| 09:05.12 | hark | cwheeler: you could try xserver-xorg-video-nv and change apm to "nv" |
| 09:05.18 | c|int | you can do it many ways :) |
| 09:05.22 | Kryptor | should i just remove xinetd and stick with inet? |
| 09:05.26 | cwheeler | so fix bug by using "nv"? |
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| 09:05.32 | cwheeler | it's still doing other stuff |
| 09:05.35 | hark | cwheeler: that's the FREE option |
| 09:05.44 | PingFloyd | I don't think xinetd is a replacement for inetd |
| 09:05.46 | cwheeler | right |
| 09:05.50 | c|int | on my workstation, I'm just going to get the latest drivers from nvidia, and run the sh script |
| 09:05.55 | cwheeler | i'm trying to get the free opton working first |
| 09:05.57 | c|int | which I believed.. sh is perl scripts |
| 09:06.10 | cwheeler | the latest drivers were in a .deb a couple days ago |
| 09:06.13 | c|int | the official driver from nvidia, is free as well |
| 09:06.16 | cast | PingFloyd: 'Description: replacement for inetd with many enhancements |
| 09:06.26 | hark | cwheeler: yeah, when that's done, just install xserver-xorg-video-nv and change "apm" to "nv" |
| 09:06.27 | c|int | and your going to get the best performance, and hardware acceleration, why settle for less |
| 09:06.31 | hark | !free |
| 09:06.31 | dpkg | i guess free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 09:06.46 | cast | PingFloyd: i see what you mean though, that its not on the conflicts list |
| 09:06.47 | c|int | it should be chanced to "nvidia" though |
| 09:06.57 | PingFloyd | cast: exactly |
| 09:07.07 | c|int | do what you want :) |
| 09:07.12 | cwheeler | i was trying to get the x server to run then install the nvidia drivers |
| 09:07.20 | Kryptor | cast: is there an easy way to migrate all the packages to xinetd? |
| 09:07.36 | jetscreamer | nv is the xorg 2d driver, nvidia is the nvidia.com version |
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| 09:07.40 | Kryptor | debian by default comes with inetd |
| 09:07.44 | hark | for nvidia, it's better to go with the non-free ones. That's the only 3d option i think. |
| 09:07.44 | cast | don't ask me, ive never used xinetd :\ |
| 09:07.59 | jetscreamer | there are also the debian nvidia packages |
| 09:08.04 | Kryptor | ok |
| 09:08.04 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: my guess is it comes down to how the apps were compiled, but I'm not sure |
| 09:08.05 | c|int | Blood diamond is something else :P |
| 09:08.19 | c|int | hark, its not the only option.. |
| 09:08.20 | cwheeler | right i'm planning to use the non-free nvidia drivers i've used them on anohter machien |
| 09:08.21 | Kryptor | i will just remove xinetd and stick with inetd |
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| 09:08.35 | c|int | do you think with open source.. we have only 1 option.. come on :P |
| 09:08.38 | cast | as if the debian community should recommend something nonfree! let me remind you of the nvidia.com potential root exploit |
| 09:08.42 | Kryptor | i just hear that xinetd is more secure and has many advantages over inetd :) |
| 09:08.47 | Kryptor | but it sounds to hard |
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| 09:08.53 | Kryptor | to migrate it all accross |
| 09:08.58 | cast | and that most of us don't need fast 3d acceleration |
| 09:08.58 | c|int | as an exploit couldn't come from users as well, cough |
| 09:09.21 | c|int | the choice is ultimately up to the user, and what they desire |
| 09:09.22 | c|int | :) |
| 09:09.36 | hark | c|int: I've heard of the nouveau effort, but for 3d with nvidia cards, what other options does he have |
| 09:09.42 | c|int | people should also be glad technology is where it is today :) |
| 09:10.05 | cwheeler | cast is that a local exploit? |
| 09:10.14 | c|int | as a driver that isn't wrote by nvidia? |
| 09:10.14 | cwheeler | I want fast 3d acceleration |
| 09:10.28 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: if those apps it wanted to remove could depend on xinet instead (or possibly depend on a depend on depend and so on), then it should keep them |
| 09:10.30 | c|int | why don't you just design your own hardware too while your at it cast.. cough |
| 09:10.43 | c|int | and do an LFS< etc.. or something else.. :) |
| 09:10.50 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: that's the way apt is supposed to work providing everything is kosher like it's supposed to be |
| 09:10.52 | TraceGreen | Hello, The speed i use partimage backup one primary partition to another primary partition is about 100M/min less than one primary partition to another logical partition. Why? |
| 09:10.58 | cast | cwheeler: http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228 |
| 09:11.36 | TraceGreen | Does Linux read/write data different between primary partition and logical partition? |
| 09:11.56 | cwheeler | cool at last it works thanks for the help |
| 09:12.04 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: instead, the apps like exim (and whatever else it wanted to removed) depended on inetd in some manner (directly or indirectly). |
| 09:12.30 | cwheeler | so the basic problem is the nvidia card doesn't get detected and the wrong packages get installed? |
| 09:12.50 | PingFloyd | Kryptor: so it comes down to keep inetd or find other packages that won't depend on inetd somewhere along the dependency chain |
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| 09:13.42 | PingFloyd | for instance, if see if there is another MTA to use in place of exim that doesn't depend on inetd at some point in the dependency chain |
| 09:13.59 | PingFloyd | personally, I wouldn't worry about it though, it appears that inetd and xinetd don't conflict |
| 09:15.08 | PingFloyd | As far as if there is a way, there is usually always a way to accomplish almost anything, it's usually a matter of how much work and trouble |
| 09:15.16 | pstickne | grr. large file access on my heavily fragmented USB locks up X |
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| 09:15.40 | cast | pstickne: for a second or two? or perm? |
| 09:16.09 | pstickne | like up to 30s :( |
| 09:16.33 | pstickne | it'll happen during large file allocations (700+MB, torrents) and such |
| 09:16.35 | cast | :( ive notied heavy disk io in linux makes my system performance in non-disk related things really bad :\ |
| 09:16.51 | pstickne | cast, it makes my X plain un-responsive sometimes :-/ |
| 09:17.00 | pstickne | (un-responsive = no screen updates, etc) |
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| 09:17.12 | PingFloyd | pstickne: is there any errors like dma_timer_expiry in your logs? |
| 09:17.43 | PingFloyd | i.e. /var/log/syslog |
| 09:17.52 | pstickne | PingFloyd, not seeing anything, only crons |
| 09:18.40 | pstickne | I think it has something to do with the USB (not sure if it's the horrid fragmentation or just the interface); haven't noticed it do this on the internal |
| 09:19.08 | PingFloyd | try monitoring your system with say top during the transfer |
| 09:19.12 | PingFloyd | might shed some clues |
| 09:19.17 | cahoot | cast: actually reading the discussion on kerneltrap makes the exploit issue less convincing |
| 09:20.11 | pstickne | PingFloyd, will try ^^ |
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| 09:24.13 | c|int | so I have to do some custom prefs for my ipod nano 4gb, to be able to be read by banshee , aramok, etc |
| 09:24.25 | pstickne | hmm. the problem seems like file IO will block during full USB-hdd access. |
| 09:24.36 | c|int | maybe you can help with that cast |
| 09:24.40 | pstickne | *all file write IO* |
| 09:25.26 | c|int | or anyone.. that knows what there doing with ipods.. I got 1 for hooking this associate up with alot of digital software, producing, mixing, editing :) |
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| 09:27.32 | c|int | I use redchair software, anapod on windows.. and usually run vmware etc.. for alot of things with windows.. run a windows xp pro vlk |
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| 09:28.25 | c|int | cast.. know why banshee isn't reading ipod right? I can mount it.. erm |
| 09:28.32 | pstickne | fat32 is such shit :( |
| 09:28.39 | c|int | come on debian expert, u |
| 09:28.46 | cast | whats an ipod? |
| 09:29.10 | pstickne | and this linux IO is biting |
| 09:29.26 | jetscreamer | something about peas in a pod, i think |
| 09:29.53 | c|int | I got 1 of these bad boys.. http://www.amazon.com/Apple-iPod-Nano-Silver-Generation/dp/B000EP35US/sr=8-1/qid=1167989357/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-2463399-6879236?ie=UTF8&s=electronics |
| 09:29.54 | jetscreamer | try using hdparm pstickne the debian defaults are conservative |
| 09:30.07 | pstickne | jetscreamer, no, I mean, -all write IO blocks- |
| 09:30.07 | jetscreamer | you might think about using it, rather |
| 09:30.11 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 09:30.29 | pstickne | jetscreamer, not like, it's slow but accessing the USB hdd and xchat is about my only program still responding in X :( |
| 09:31.13 | pstickne | jetscreamer, it might be -all IO- but it's at least all write IO :( |
| 09:31.14 | jetscreamer | no idea i don't have a usb anything cpet a joystick |
| 09:31.33 | pstickne | (and IO at the program level, I could still launch top so it worked for some things) |
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| 09:33.51 | fireba11 | *wee* TB-harddisks are announced :-) |
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| 09:34.38 | ThomasPorter | Hi, I have a mail server - how would I save all the emails? |
| 09:34.58 | fireba11 | ThomasPorter: what exactly do you want to do ? |
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| 09:35.16 | ThomasPorter | I have 600 un-read inportant emails. |
| 09:35.30 | ThomasPorter | and I can't afford to loose them.. but the mail server needs to be re-installed |
| 09:35.35 | ThomasPorter | and by doing so i'd loose all these emails |
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| 09:35.49 | prumprum | hi |
| 09:36.01 | cwheeler | are they in the spool file ThomasPorter ? |
| 09:36.02 | ThomasPorter | Is there a folder where the emails are located on linux or something? I need to save them then put them back. |
| 09:36.08 | cwheeler | /var/spool/mail I think |
| 09:36.12 | c|int | lmao -> The group wanted to do this because Debian has a long history of being late. That, in fact, is one reason why the Debian-based Ubuntu distribution was started. |
| 09:36.15 | ThomasPorter | cwheeler: Where is that? |
| 09:36.24 | ThomasPorter | cweeler: I'll have a look |
| 09:36.25 | c|int | :P |
| 09:36.34 | c|int | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2074499,00.asp |
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| 09:37.39 | sinizzl | hello fizzolkz |
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| 09:38.06 | sinizzl | i'm looking for the quickest way to remove gnome (meta package) from my system... any ideas? |
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| 09:38.13 | ThomasPorter | cwheeler: Cheers |
| 09:38.44 | jetscreamer | just the metapackage or all of gnome |
| 09:38.51 | sinizzl | all of gnome |
| 09:38.59 | epsilon | apt-get remove --purge gnome |
| 09:39.10 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:39.12 | cwheeler | cheers ThomasPorter |
| 09:39.15 | sinizzl | the metapackage as such is not installed |
| 09:39.19 | ThomasPorter | cwheeler: Hmm.. but where are the emails...? /var/spool/mail |
| 09:39.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge libgnome iirc |
| 09:39.24 | sinizzl | i installed debian etch with the "desktop" option |
| 09:39.26 | jetscreamer | err |
| 09:39.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge libgnome* iirc |
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| 09:39.35 | sinizzl | jetscreamer: i still need the gtk stuff |
| 09:40.01 | cast | see if you used aptitude ^_^ |
| 09:40.11 | jetscreamer | tasksel blows |
| 09:40.13 | sinizzl | na, i did not |
| 09:40.22 | sinizzl | well, i guess i'm going to uninstall apps by hand |
| 09:40.35 | jetscreamer | dselect can do what you want |
| 09:40.45 | jetscreamer | but nobody likes dselect except me |
| 09:40.55 | epsilon | thought dselect is obsolte? |
| 09:40.56 | jetscreamer | highlight the section and hit _ |
| 09:41.34 | sinizzl | what i wanna do is simply remove all the packages that show up when i do the follwing |
| 09:41.41 | sinizzl | dpkg --list | grep \ gnome- |
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| 09:41.57 | Niklas- | Hey. I have a problem setting the clock on a computer. If i use rdate -s its acts okay, but doesn't set the time. If i use rdate -a i get "Invalid argument", and with ntpdate -B i get Invalid Argument too, what can cause that? |
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| 09:41.59 | sinizzl | like gnome-panel, gnome-screensaver etc. all the useless things |
| 09:42.00 | epsilon | then do it with package manager of your choice... |
| 09:42.14 | sinizzl | hm yeah |
| 09:42.34 | epsilon | and if you want to keep any gtk pakage, set it to hold in manager - if you hit any dependency, you will be informed |
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| 09:42.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge gnome-* |
| 09:43.21 | ThomasPorter | Would saving /var/spool/mail somewhere save all my emails? |
| 09:43.41 | c|int | anyone here, might be able to help me with my ipod nano 4gb plz |
| 09:44.13 | c|int | I've tried, banshee, have it on, gtkpod, even aramok, anything I'm doing wrong, why the ipod isn't displayed in the browsers of the applications etc |
| 09:44.39 | jetscreamer | c|int: apt-cache search ipod maybe |
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| 09:45.44 | c|int | cool |
| 09:45.51 | c|int | I think I was missing the libgpod etc |
| 09:46.24 | c|int | that might be why |
| 09:47.45 | c|int | you know how.. sometimes when you want to install a package, it ask you to insert the debian cd, etc.. I used netinstall, but I don't want to do that all the time, when I'm just wanting to install a package or packages.. |
| 09:48.09 | PingFloyd | sources.list probably |
| 09:48.14 | c|int | well yeah |
| 09:48.16 | hark | c|int: get your sources.list right |
| 09:48.36 | c|int | yeah I know it had to be something with that.. |
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| 09:49.07 | PingFloyd | you might check out apt-cdrom or something like that |
| 09:51.15 | c|int | yeah I was reading about that as well |
| 09:51.16 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 09:51.16 | dpkg | somebody said qotd129 was <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
| 09:51.20 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out/delete the cd entry |
| 09:51.29 | sinizzl | where does dpkg save downloaded packages? |
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| 09:51.35 | c|int | lmao |
| 09:51.41 | c|int | vmware :) |
| 09:51.43 | jetscreamer | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 09:51.45 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 09:51.59 | c|int | and others :) |
| 09:52.03 | sinizzl | yeah |
| 09:52.04 | sinizzl | wow |
| 09:52.05 | sinizzl | 2GB |
| 09:52.06 | sinizzl | :( |
| 09:52.12 | jetscreamer | apt-get clean |
| 09:52.16 | hark | sinizzl: apt-get clean |
| 09:52.21 | c|int | yeah I know about apt-get clean |
| 09:52.32 | jetscreamer | that was for sinizzl |
| 09:52.33 | sinizzl | hm |
| 09:52.34 | sinizzl | nice :D |
| 09:52.35 | c|int | k get this 1.. how to you get a clean gnome session, like default, after an install |
| 09:52.37 | xingu | c|int: http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:52.53 | sinizzl | wow... now i have 5GB free space KEKEKE |
| 09:52.58 | jetscreamer | apt-get install mc and delete anything gnome-ish in ~ |
| 09:53.02 | c|int | thats why I'm using xfce right now.. but I do like xfce alot :) |
| 09:53.13 | sinizzl | mc? midnight commandeR? |
| 09:53.21 | c|int | yes thats what he means sinizzl lol |
| 09:53.26 | sinizzl | ghey |
| 09:53.27 | jetscreamer | yes, but that was for clint |
| 09:53.33 | sinizzl | ah mkay :D |
| 09:53.39 | sinizzl | i think mc's ghey anyways. |
| 09:53.44 | c|int | ~? |
| 09:53.44 | jetscreamer | it's not |
| 09:53.51 | jetscreamer | /home/user |
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| 09:54.02 | jetscreamer | try cd ~ from somewhere else |
| 09:54.02 | c|int | oh okay |
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| 09:54.21 | pogoj | I never got the point of using a file manager. |
| 09:54.22 | jetscreamer | it's an alias for your home |
| 09:54.33 | c|int | oh I see |
| 09:54.41 | sinizzl | pogoj: like if you got 500GB of videos on a partition and wanna manage them? |
| 09:54.42 | c|int | thats why I really need to read alot still :P |
| 09:54.47 | jetscreamer | the point of using a file manager is to manage files... |
| 09:54.50 | sinizzl | okay, i use mysql for my media |
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| 09:55.10 | pogoj | sinizzl: I'd say stop downloading porn :) |
| 09:55.15 | c|int | lol I found |
| 09:55.21 | c|int | some ~ things |
| 09:55.32 | sinizzl | pogoj: hehe :D |
| 09:55.35 | c|int | .xsessi~-errors 1thats 1 |
| 09:55.39 | sinizzl | did i say anything bout porn OR downloading? |
| 09:56.09 | c|int | .gtkrc-~-gnome2 |
| 09:56.13 | pogoj | Don't deny it. |
| 09:56.21 | c|int | del those? |
| 09:56.40 | c|int | or I"ll just remove gnome-desktop environment all together :D |
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| 09:56.54 | c|int | :D |
| 09:57.42 | pogoj | Good luck trying to cleanly remove any of the desktop environments... |
| 09:57.57 | c|int | I should of been using mc along time ago.. a slackware user told me , its great to manage files etc |
| 09:58.12 | c|int | pogoj, |
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| 09:58.36 | c|int | I may not know everything about debian, or the distro file system structures.. |
| 09:58.48 | c|int | but I do know my way around, and to manage alot of things :) |
| 09:58.56 | hark | xingu: Is the Debian GNU/w32 port usable? |
| 09:59.04 | c|int | and I already am running in xfce, and I have used fluxbox, and others, and I can rip out gnome if I so choose |
| 09:59.22 | xingu | hark: no clue, there's a mailinglist though |
| 09:59.24 | c|int | um... |
| 09:59.24 | pogoj | Sure you can...But cleanly? |
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| 09:59.27 | c|int | http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/?action=view&slideshow=true |
| 09:59.29 | c|int | cough |
| 10:00.00 | PingFloyd | yeah filemanagers are a crutch |
| 10:00.15 | c|int | I just am not busy with open source systems all the time... I work on alot of systems.. that users mess there window systems up all the time |
| 10:00.21 | jetscreamer | real men write asm progs for everything |
| 10:00.28 | jetscreamer | or jue hexedit the disk |
| 10:00.34 | jetscreamer | just* |
| 10:00.37 | c|int | so jetscreamer |
| 10:00.37 | xingu | disk? luxury. |
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| 10:00.47 | c|int | just delete those files, with ~ in them |
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| 10:00.55 | dimir | Moin. |
| 10:00.57 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 10:01.01 | jetscreamer | no... |
| 10:01.04 | c|int | k |
| 10:01.12 | jetscreamer | cd ~ and ls -lA |
| 10:01.23 | c|int | too bad we can't get together in a nice cafe somewhere me and you and some others jetscreamer :) |
| 10:01.26 | jetscreamer | remove .gnome* .gconf* and others |
| 10:01.41 | pogoj | Haha. |
| 10:01.45 | jetscreamer | jsut to remove customizations you made to gnome, right? |
| 10:01.48 | c|int | be we could share alot .. all of us together |
| 10:01.57 | c|int | for some reason |
| 10:02.37 | c|int | I did something, or something got a bug, and when I started up gnome.. I was getting a bunch of windows same 1's.. and I would open say.. my usb up.. or even my home.. and it would be a small as* window.. and I would have to resize it. things like that |
| 10:02.53 | c|int | 1 person had say.. ou should have an option in sessions, to give me a clean session.. I didn't see stuff like that |
| 10:03.22 | c|int | I"m liking mc alot |
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| 10:04.06 | c|int | and I can always.. hee.. back up my data in home.. etc.. and just del my account, and create a new 1 :P.. |
| 10:04.08 | c|int | but thats the lazy way |
| 10:04.13 | c|int | :-) |
| 10:04.23 | pogoj | Gnomes are evil. |
| 10:04.24 | ekkikrist | Hi guys... I need some help installing kernel v 2.4.33.4 from kernel.org... I'm in sarge. I am using the config from debian kernel 2.4.27-3 and make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image. |
| 10:04.29 | c|int | hee |
| 10:04.33 | c|int | right now I"m using xfce |
| 10:04.47 | c|int | and I have to say.. its really stable, and smooth.. I used it before with other distro's |
| 10:04.47 | jetscreamer | i've just mv'd my homedir and made a new one, put the .bash* stuff in it and viola! |
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| 10:04.58 | ekkikrist | Then I install the deb and reboot... the start-up sequence stops after pivot_root with cannot find /dev/console |
| 10:05.06 | c|int | lol @ u jetscreamer |
| 10:05.39 | jetscreamer | you need to make oldconfig first |
| 10:05.40 | pogoj | Is there a reason why you don't use the 2.6 kernel ekkikrist |
| 10:05.52 | c|int | you read about the devs weren't working as hard for etch 4 released, supposely on the 4th.. its all good though.. i would be going crazy as well |
| 10:05.58 | jetscreamer | and why not just use the stock debian 2.4 anyway |
| 10:06.05 | jetscreamer | if you just have to have 2.4 |
| 10:06.06 | c|int | dec 4th |
| 10:06.14 | ekkikrist | I'm trying grescurity. |
| 10:06.36 | c|int | hey jetscreamer |
| 10:06.48 | c|int | I did get past the issues with graphic support for my laptop on debian, and wireless :) |
| 10:06.52 | c|int | all them days are long past :) |
| 10:07.08 | jetscreamer | yay team! |
| 10:07.13 | c|int | quite happy with alot of my hard focusing and research.. but had to join up here, to give support |
| 10:07.21 | pogoj | Oh man, I just sneezed all over myself. |
| 10:07.30 | c|int | I felt, , I had too |
| 10:07.55 | jetscreamer | you ever hear that old kiss song, pogoj? |
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| 10:08.05 | valdyn | ekkikrist: that error indicates that your initrd is none-existant or broken while the boot manager / kernel options are suggesting there was one |
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| 10:08.16 | pogoj | What song would you be refering to? |
| 10:08.18 | jetscreamer | LICK IT UP |
| 10:08.18 | c|int | jetscreamer: , did you check out those setups I did |
| 10:08.26 | rxKaffee | where do I get latest nvidia beta drivers for etch? |
| 10:08.32 | pogoj | Haha, no...can't say I have. |
| 10:08.38 | c|int | its a pretty good song |
| 10:08.39 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/ |
| 10:08.44 | valdyn | rxKaffee: experimental may work |
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| 10:09.13 | valdyn | rxKaffee: but you really dont want the beta driver, as the _released_ by nvidia is newer |
| 10:09.19 | rxKaffee | valdyn: sid only has up to 1.0.8776 |
| 10:09.25 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 10:09.33 | jetscreamer | that nvidia driver |
| 10:09.34 | valdyn | rxKaffee: sid isnt experimental |
| 10:09.42 | rxKaffee | there's less stable than sid?? |
| 10:09.44 | jetscreamer | i'm using 9746 or something |
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| 10:10.03 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 10:10.04 | valdyn | jetscreamer: that's a release anyway |
| 10:10.16 | jetscreamer | it's the evil nvidia.com one |
| 10:10.25 | c|int | okay |
| 10:10.26 | rxKaffee | I was using 925x, but cannot remember what repository I found it at |
| 10:10.37 | c|int | jetscreamer: , I did some things in mc. I'll be back on gnome. to let you know how things went |
| 10:10.42 | valdyn | rxKaffee: in experimental |
| 10:10.56 | c|int | what were you saying about the gnome config though... so I could restore gnome to default |
| 10:11.08 | c|int | lets just say.. I had to.. for myself, or to show some people or work on systems etc |
| 10:11.11 | jetscreamer | http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh |
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| 10:11.33 | jetscreamer | delete .gnome* and .gconf* in your homedir |
| 10:11.46 | c|int | gotcha |
| 10:11.51 | c|int | rm -R right |
| 10:11.51 | PingFloyd | or move them somewhere if in doubt |
| 10:11.57 | c|int | that command is cool as heck :) |
| 10:12.03 | jetscreamer | mv is always safe and functional |
| 10:12.07 | peterrus | Good morning |
| 10:12.07 | c|int | ah |
| 10:12.12 | pogoj | rm -rf / is better |
| 10:12.16 | c|int | lmao |
| 10:12.18 | peterrus | DONT |
| 10:12.19 | peterrus | xd |
| 10:12.21 | c|int | :D |
| 10:12.26 | pogoj | Yeah, don't. |
| 10:12.32 | peterrus | Somebody got kicked for that earlier :p |
| 10:12.32 | c|int | i've been teaching myself alot, but I got to go way deeper, |
| 10:12.35 | rxKaffee | valdyn: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 10:12.42 | rxKaffee | valdyn: that what I need in sources for 'experimental'? |
| 10:12.52 | jetscreamer | no |
| 10:12.56 | c|int | if anyone can help me out with my ipod nano issues as well, I would be greaful |
| 10:13.06 | peterrus | c|int: whats up? |
| 10:13.07 | pogoj | Now, in my defence, I never told anyone to do it. |
| 10:13.16 | PingFloyd | teaching yourself is Linux's middle name |
| 10:13.17 | peterrus | not that i can help, probably, but i am wondering, what is it |
| 10:13.25 | c|int | first let me do that gnome modifications.. thanks jet, and everyone |
| 10:13.35 | pogoj | Peace |
| 10:13.41 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 10:13.45 | valdyn | rxKaffee: no, only the source line |
| 10:13.55 | valdyn | rxKaffee: and what jetscreamer sais |
| 10:14.00 | PingFloyd | I'm out too later all |
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| 10:14.18 | rxKaffee | valdyn: what do you mean only the source line? |
| 10:14.22 | peterrus | Anyone here knows how I can use the contents of computer:/// (gnome) as desktop? |
| 10:14.28 | valdyn | rxKaffee: deb-src ...., not 'deb' |
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| 10:14.42 | rxKaffee | oh, I thought all nvidia drivers were binary... |
| 10:14.54 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 10:14.54 | c|int | and got to get back to watching.. Blood Diamond.. and its DVD Quality pretty dam close.. hee hee.. just started watching it |
| 10:15.03 | sinizzl | peterrus: check out gconf-editor |
| 10:15.04 | valdyn | rxKaffee: that has nothing to do with it, its stupid to blindly use experimental binaries |
| 10:15.07 | sid | rxKaffee: There is a free/libre "nv" driver from xorg, which does not support 3d acceleration. |
| 10:15.20 | sinizzl | peterrus: it's somewhere at apps -> nautilus -> desktop or so |
| 10:15.31 | sid | rxKaffee: Only Nvidia(tm) Inc.'s non-free/proprietary "nvidia" driver supports 3d acceleration. |
| 10:15.31 | peterrus | sinizzl: AFAIK thats not possible with the editor, as i have been searching for it alot, also there |
| 10:15.49 | jetscreamer | your desktop is a directory |
| 10:16.02 | jetscreamer | computer:/// isn't. not sure if you can or not. |
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| 10:16.07 | peterrus | jetscreamer: i know, and I want to get rid of that dir, |
| 10:16.13 | iuso | hi. configuration of wpasupplicant is different in sarge and etch. there is a recent wpasupplicant for sarge in backports, but does it also work like in etch by configuring /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:16.14 | sinizzl | peterrus: that computer:/// what exactly does that show? can't look it up for i have got rid of nautilus 20 minutes ago :D |
| 10:16.16 | jetscreamer | you can change the dir |
| 10:16.26 | valdyn | rxKaffee: deb-src = upstream software + debian patch, deb = .deb file. It does not have any meaning whatsoever concerning the format that upstream is in, be it binary or chinese or whatever |
| 10:16.33 | peterrus | sinizzl: it show all your drivers and network shares etc. |
| 10:16.36 | rxKaffee | sid: I'm not interested in the free driver... I want teh latest nvidia beta drivers availiable from any repository thats known that has GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap and such |
| 10:16.37 | peterrus | drives* |
| 10:16.49 | jetscreamer | src = source |
| 10:16.57 | jetscreamer | aka compile away |
| 10:17.07 | sinizzl | peterrus: thought so. but you can tick in gconf-editor some options to show your drives, network etc. |
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| 10:17.28 | SpeedyG | hi, is it possible to give a user permission to write, but not to delete files in a directory ? |
| 10:17.29 | peterrus | sinizzl: yeah, but thats not really what i want, but it comes close, so ill stick to that |
| 10:17.59 | sinizzl | you could change nautilus' source code too :D |
| 10:18.11 | sinizzl | there's lots of ways to accomplish waht you wanna do |
| 10:18.14 | peterrus | sinizzl: lets do that -_- |
| 10:18.14 | c|int | already I'll be back |
| 10:18.18 | c|int | alright* |
| 10:18.22 | sinizzl | peterrus: not us, you :D |
| 10:18.35 | peterrus | sinizzl: thats what i said, see you back in five years :p |
| 10:18.52 | sinizzl | lucky for me i don't know squat about programming whatsoever. i only USE free software, i don't contribute to it :D |
| 10:18.54 | iuso | what package sets up/reads /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:18.56 | valdyn | SpeedyG: not without acl |
| 10:19.34 | pogoj | the farthest into programming I ever got was print hello world haha |
| 10:19.39 | SpeedyG | crap :( |
| 10:19.53 | jetscreamer | yes it it, btw, SpeedyG |
| 10:19.55 | valdyn | SpeedyG: you should use an upload mechanism for this i suggest |
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| 10:20.11 | peterrus | pogoj: i got to pointers in c and c++ |
| 10:20.21 | peterrus | sinizzl: parasite! |
| 10:20.26 | c|int | when I open up say.. computer, or my home.. or my usb, it still is bringing up a small compact window.. why is that |
| 10:20.29 | pogoj | peterrus: Yeah...I have no idea what that is :) |
| 10:20.32 | SpeedyG | valdyn: ok, back to finding out how to get pure-ftpd working then |
| 10:20.33 | SpeedyG | :) |
| 10:20.35 | c|int | argh |
| 10:20.44 | valdyn | SpeedyG: no, not really |
| 10:20.52 | peterrus | pogoj: because there is a resize button? |
| 10:20.56 | jetscreamer | you missed |
| 10:21.17 | valdyn | SpeedyG: im not sure what your requirements are, but a suid root script doing only the 'upload' ( a simple cp ), could suffice |
| 10:21.56 | SpeedyG | well, to be honest, it has to do with ftp'ing stuff |
| 10:22.14 | SpeedyG | so I guess setting up pure-ftpd the right way should be the easiest sollution in this case |
| 10:22.49 | saintiss | hi |
| 10:22.56 | saintiss | how can I see what sans-serif is mapped to? |
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| 10:24.55 | deadcat_ | can rsync exclude a dir? i dont want to rsync a 120M cache dir |
| 10:24.59 | rxKaffee | valdyn: after adding the experimental line, and doing an apt-get update, m-a auto-install nvidia still trys to install 1.0.8776-4 |
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| 10:25.07 | rxKaffee | am I doing something wrong here? |
| 10:25.44 | gebruiker_ | what does bin/sh -e mean as shebag? |
| 10:26.20 | blondie | deadcat_: yes, read the man page |
| 10:26.35 | deadcat_ | blondie: the exclude option does file. not sure if it means dir as well |
| 10:27.05 | blondie | it does |
| 10:27.06 | deadcat_ | blondie: thanks |
| 10:27.06 | jetscreamer | man sh |
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| 10:27.13 | valdyn | rxKaffee: apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx && apt-get -t experimental -b source nvidia-glx |
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| 10:27.56 | valdyn | rxKaffee: then you dpkg -i the resulting deps, then you can use m-a, then you install those debs that failed on the first dpkg -i |
| 10:28.52 | valdyn | rxKaffee: or did you only add the deb ( no deb-src ) line? |
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| 10:29.26 | rxKaffee | I only added the deb-src line |
| 10:29.32 | rxKaffee | deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 10:29.39 | valdyn | rxKaffee: ok, fine, just do what i said.. |
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| 10:30.18 | HardDisk_WP | !pastebin? |
| 10:30.18 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 10:30.19 | c|int | hey valdyn |
| 10:30.24 | rxKaffee | latest availiable nvidia-glx is still only 1.0.8776 |
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| 10:30.37 | valdyn | rxKaffee: and? |
| 10:30.50 | valdyn | rxKaffee: watch what apt-get -t experimental -b source nvidia-glx grabs |
| 10:31.13 | rxKaffee | wouldn't I need to do that before the apt-get build-dep then? |
| 10:31.22 | valdyn | rxKaffee: nope |
| 10:31.26 | rxKaffee | oh, ok |
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| 10:31.33 | c|int | I'm going to do an experiment, and testing. jetscreamer, will see how it goes :P |
| 10:33.25 | nelf | Are there any debian kernel packages that are enabled for high memory (ie a PAE enabled kernel). I have an 8G memory machine, and it's only using 4GB) |
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| 10:33.56 | azeem | nelf: it's not an em64 or amd64? |
| 10:34.08 | nelf | azeem: no, intel |
| 10:34.10 | Mark_Iron | no idea nelf .. a really nice machine with 8 gig RAM !!! |
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| 10:34.23 | azeem | nelf: em64t is from Intel |
| 10:34.41 | nelf | azeem: Sorry - just checkin the chips (not em64s thought) ! |
| 10:34.42 | azeem | nelf: can you paste the content of /proc/cpuinfo to paste.debian.net? |
| 10:35.17 | valdyn | nelf: you'd have to build one yourself, unless you use debian/amd64, which you can if this is a new computer |
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| 10:35.48 | h00t | hey guys can anyone point me to a debian (or linux) tweak guide. I |
| 10:36.06 | azeem | what do you want to tweak in particular? |
| 10:36.08 | h00t | something to speed the os up |
| 10:36.11 | valdyn | !tell h00t -about ask |
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| 10:36.16 | valdyn | h00t: its fast by default |
| 10:36.32 | azeem | h00t: what computer do you have, and what desktop environment are you using? |
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| 10:37.37 | h00t | pIII 1ghz 256RAM (the amount of ram is chocking the system (getting more soon)) |
| 10:37.48 | h00t | i'm using gnome |
| 10:38.08 | h00t | i'd like to improve response time after i click |
| 10:38.21 | Caitriona | what's the status of debtakeover? |
| 10:38.45 | valdyn | !debtakeover |
| 10:38.45 | dpkg | methinks debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 10:38.58 | nelf | azeem: Done that |
| 10:39.00 | nelf | valdyn: Thought as much. |
| 10:39.10 | Caitriona | valdyn: I mean, it doesn't look like it's been touched it a while... |
| 10:39.16 | azeem | nelf: paste the url here |
| 10:39.17 | Caitriona | in |
| 10:39.22 | Ronin | h00t: dont run gnome :) |
| 10:39.24 | h00t | mybe you can tell me guys how can i find out what is running (like system tray in windows) and then how can i remove unnecessary stuff |
| 10:39.30 | azeem | Caitriona: yeah, it hasn't, AFAIK |
| 10:39.35 | valdyn | Caitriona: that's right, latest debian supported by debtakeover is woody |
| 10:39.39 | valdyn | !woody |
| 10:39.39 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 10:39.43 | azeem | the author excepts patches I guess |
| 10:39.58 | h00t | Ronin, I like to watch movies and stuff ... do you have better recomendation for window manager |
| 10:40.12 | rxKaffee | h00t: <3 fluxbox |
| 10:40.17 | nelf | azeem: Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean - there must be something about paste.debian.net I don't know. |
| 10:40.20 | Ronin | h00t: well till you get more ram look into things like fluxbox etc |
| 10:40.40 | Caitriona | Hmm... are there semi-current instructions for doing a Fedora -> Debian conversion manually? |
| 10:40.57 | azeem | nelf: each paste has a destinctive url you need to share with others in order for them to be able to look at it |
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| 10:41.40 | h00t | how about telling me about the equvialent of system tray in debian |
| 10:42.04 | valdyn | Caitriona: why not reinstall? |
| 10:42.19 | OsRo | I need put this firmware aic94xx-seq.fw in my debian sarge |
| 10:42.21 | azeem | h00t: it's the notification area I guess |
| 10:42.29 | OsRo | in ubuntu i put in /lib/firmware |
| 10:42.30 | nelf | azeem: I just join the channel and pasted - no sign of a URL anywhere - I'll go find some instructions and get back to you - It has a pair of dual core xeon |
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| 10:42.36 | OsRo | in sarge where? |
| 10:42.44 | Caitriona | valdyn: system's remote, no console access - and yes I know, it's a recipee for disaster. |
| 10:42.44 | azeem | nelf: which channel? |
| 10:42.58 | valdyn | Caitriona: debootstrap |
| 10:43.07 | azeem | nelf: anyway, I assume those are 64bit capable, so your best bet is to just install the amd64 version of Debian, if you can |
| 10:43.16 | Caitriona | The last time I tried such an upgrade was rh7 -> woody |
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| 10:43.22 | valdyn | Caitriona: that way you can keep the old system first |
| 10:43.39 | Caitriona | kindof what I was thinking. |
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| 10:44.53 | c|int | okay, its probably because of this |
| 10:44.55 | c|int | iPod directory structure must be present before synching to the iPod can be performed. |
| 10:45.02 | nelf | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/19514 |
| 10:45.28 | Caitriona | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5014 in the process I'm thinking of following. |
| 10:45.34 | c|int | thats why I can't sync, and thats why the ipod isn't displayed properly no wonder |
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| 10:46.08 | Caitriona | I need to keep services on this system up, or it would be a lot simpler. |
| 10:46.42 | nelf | azeem: How to I swap to that dist without reinstalling from scratch? |
| 10:46.53 | azeem | nelf: you cannot |
| 10:46.56 | c|int | jetscreamer: , see what i"m saying |
| 10:46.57 | Caitriona | it's Fedora Core 1, which, hasn't had security support for a while. |
| 10:47.13 | azeem | nelf: those are double-core ones, so 64bit I guess |
| 10:47.19 | OsRo | /usr/lib/hotplug/firware ? |
| 10:47.44 | c|int | nelf I'm sure it could be done |
| 10:48.03 | c|int | i know this gentoo programmer, said he used knoppix to install gentoo |
| 10:48.10 | c|int | so go figure |
| 10:48.19 | nelf | azeem, c|int: This is a production server, so I can't really do a full reinstall at this point. |
| 10:48.46 | c|int | well I'm just trying to get my ipod working properly :P |
| 10:49.09 | azeem | nelf: ok |
| 10:49.11 | c|int | and then, I'm also going to be starting the movie, " Blood Diamond " AGain :P |
| 10:49.16 | valdyn | Caitriona: is it really necessary that you deboostrap twice? no spare partition? |
| 10:49.19 | c|int | heya azeem, long time no see , and happy new year bud |
| 10:49.20 | azeem | nelf: in that case, you will need to recompile your kernel maybe |
| 10:49.34 | c|int | same to you valdyn |
| 10:49.41 | azeem | nelf: I don't know which option you'd need, though |
| 10:49.54 | Caitriona | valdyn: unfortunately, no spare partition, and I have to keep all services running. |
| 10:50.03 | Caitriona | which means I need to move them all to the chroot. |
| 10:50.11 | nelf | azeem: Thats a shame, I like the stock kernels.. I think it's just removing CONFIG_HIMEM, but I'll read around. |
| 10:50.23 | fireba11 | Caitriona: hm .. lot of room for screwups there .-/ |
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| 10:50.49 | Caitriona | fireba11: yeah, I know. |
| 10:51.16 | c|int | anyone here, really good with troubleshooting ipod setups? in the mount structure whatnot |
| 10:51.17 | cydork | OsRo: yes |
| 10:51.25 | Caitriona | it's been ages since I tried this kind of upgrade. |
| 10:51.32 | OsRo | thank you cydork |
| 10:51.35 | fireba11 | Caitriona: i usually try to setup a new system and thens witch over, that's a lot saver, if you messed up you can even switch bakc while you fix it |
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| 10:52.01 | c|int | got this back, from gtkpod |
| 10:52.02 | c|int | iPod directory structure must be present before synching to the iPod can be performed. |
| 10:52.03 | Caitriona | fireba11: that's what I'm sortof trying to do by debootstrapping twice. |
| 10:52.14 | c|int | it is! |
| 10:52.24 | Joachim | Does anyone here know why the libmail-audit-perl package from sarge is not longer available in etch ? Security reasons ? Vanished maintainer ? |
| 10:52.27 | xingu | nelf, azeem: lm flag in cpuinfo says that xeon is em64t. |
| 10:52.54 | azeem | yes |
| 10:53.02 | azeem | I googled that now :) |
| 10:53.06 | Caitriona | get a working system within the chroot, which I can migrate services to one at a time and make sure they work. |
| 10:53.58 | c|int | okay.. I think what I am going do, is rename some things, on my ipod.. on windows.. and then come back, and see about some other things |
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| 10:54.26 | c|int | but for now.. I'm going to watch " Blood Diamond " dvd quality :) |
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| 10:54.49 | erchache | hi |
| 10:54.58 | erchache | im trying to update my debian etch amd64 |
| 10:55.04 | erchache | and mysql-common are broke |
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| 10:55.13 | erchache | i try to repair with apt-get -f install |
| 10:55.19 | erchache | and aptitude without sucess |
| 10:55.21 | erchache | how i can solve it? |
| 10:56.13 | Shadur | erchache: What's the error? |
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| 10:56.41 | fireba11 | Joachim : RoM; obsolete; alternative (libemail-filter-perl) exists |
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| 10:58.18 | Joachim | fireba11: Thanks |
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| 11:03.57 | rxKaffee | dpkg -i /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-1-multimedia-386_1.0.9746-2_i386.deb |
| 11:04.06 | rxKaffee | says it installs fine |
| 11:04.14 | rxKaffee | but if I dpkg -L it, it says not installed |
| 11:04.22 | sinizzl | what is thename of french debian channel? |
| 11:04.27 | cydork | !fr |
| 11:04.28 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:04.33 | sinizzl | ah thx |
| 11:04.34 | rxKaffee | when I modprobe nvidia, it loads up a 1.0.9625 module |
| 11:04.40 | Backytak | hey i'm trying to mount a partition on my usb drive i have, 100gb, i fdisk -l and i can see the /dev/sdan where n = 1-4 sda2 shows the ntfs partition, so i mount -t ntfs /dev/sda2 /mnt/usb and it says its not a valid block device - i don't have udev to mount usb devices automatically as it says i need a kernel |
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| 11:04.41 | rxKaffee | any ideas whats up with this? |
| 11:05.14 | rxKaffee | I believe /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.14-1-multimedia-386_1.0.9746-2_i386.deb is whats made by m-a auto-instal nvidia |
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| 11:07.46 | HardDisk_WP | rxKaffee, i have a nvidia too |
| 11:07.48 | rusher | hello |
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| 11:08.21 | LeVA | hi |
| 11:08.29 | HardDisk_WP | rxKaffee, follow http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 11:08.32 | rusher | how do you setup your sound in etch, my sound stops after a few seconds. |
| 11:08.53 | HardDisk_WP | rxKaffee, if you have a stock ernel (you didnt make your own), then there should be no problem |
| 11:09.07 | rxKaffee | I have a custom kernel, but I have kernel headers in place |
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| 11:09.31 | OsRo | cydork: but no /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ is /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/<kernel-name> ? |
| 11:09.36 | HardDisk_WP | rxKaffee, there are also instructions for custom kernel |
| 11:09.49 | LeVA | has Glade3 been included in one of the debian releases? |
| 11:09.53 | rxKaffee | cool :D |
| 11:09.56 | rxKaffee | thanks alot HardDisk_WP |
| 11:10.02 | erchache | shadur: i can solve it |
| 11:10.10 | erchache | now i have a mtop problem |
| 11:10.11 | HardDisk_WP | rxKaffee, no problem. i also lost my nerves with nvidia, but i had a stock kernel |
| 11:10.12 | erchache | :-P |
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| 11:13.16 | erchache | i solve all problems myself |
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| 11:16.20 | rusher | how do you configure your sound? My sound does not work until I reload ALSA. AFter alsa loads, it sounds crappy then stops. |
| 11:16.36 | ^Timo^ | Good morning fellows |
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| 11:17.08 | Zap-W | what does salt mean in "This password, after being prefixed by a two character ``salt'', is encrypted (with crypt(3))" |
| 11:17.22 | ^Timo^ | anyone know the problem that my server mails from root@root@domain.net |
| 11:17.46 | ^Timo^ | why does he get the second root@ |
| 11:18.06 | ^Timo^ | should there be a host file thats say mail always from root@ ? |
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| 11:18.43 | ^Timo^ | anyone knows this problem? |
| 11:19.17 | moshii | Zap-W: salt is extra free randomness |
| 11:19.17 | ^Timo^ | i am running debian r4 with postfix dovecot |
| 11:19.17 | ^Timo^ | both are working fine :) |
| 11:19.32 | ^Timo^ | it mails but only from root@root@domain.net |
| 11:20.11 | ^Timo^ | thats a'n example when i mail from user then he mails from user@root@domain.net |
| 11:20.15 | ^Timo^ | why does he do that |
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| 11:20.25 | ^Timo^ | is that a known issue with debian r4 ? |
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| 11:24.14 | OsRo | I put the firmware aic94xx-seq.fw in /lib/firmware/ , /lib/firmware/<kernel-name> and /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 11:24.29 | OsRo | but boot report |
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| 11:25.18 | OsRo | Failed to load sequencer firmware file aic94xx-seq.fs, error -2 |
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| 11:26.34 | valdyn | OsRo: on which debian release? |
| 11:26.57 | OsRo | sarge |
| 11:27.15 | OsRo | but kernel is 2.6.19 |
| 11:27.23 | valdyn | ^Timo^: cat /etc/mailname /etc/hostname |
| 11:28.09 | valdyn | OsRo: try if that works with a debian kernel |
| 11:28.11 | OsRo | and i compiling this kernel |
| 11:28.56 | OsRo | the debian kernel no support sas and aic94xx |
| 11:29.13 | OsRo | the machine is ibm xseries 306m |
| 11:29.22 | rxKaffee | can I check what package owns a specific file on disk? |
| 11:29.32 | valdyn | rxKaffee: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 11:29.42 | ^Timo^ | valdyn : cat /etc/mailname says root@domain.net |
| 11:29.42 | rxKaffee | dpkg :) has so many usefull options |
| 11:29.44 | rxKaffee | thanks |
| 11:29.55 | valdyn | ^Timo^: edit that file to be 'domain.net' |
| 11:29.56 | ^Timo^ | valdyn : cat /etc/hostname says only domain.net |
| 11:30.04 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 11:30.25 | valdyn | ^Timo^: you must have entered that ( nonsensical ) value at some point.. |
| 11:30.41 | rxKaffee | hrm |
| 11:31.02 | rxKaffee | `find` does not work from a periodically updated pre-generated index, does it? |
| 11:31.06 | OsRo | I cannot install debian in that single machine works with opensuse |
| 11:31.09 | rxKaffee | iirc `locate` does that... |
| 11:31.14 | nelf | xingu, azeem: I'm using etch, so what about the -bigmem kernels? |
| 11:31.15 | OsRo | i use debootstrap for instalation |
| 11:31.18 | valdyn | rxKaffee: right |
| 11:31.24 | ^Timo^ | thank you valdyn |
| 11:31.25 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 11:31.27 | ^Timo^ | it workz |
| 11:31.28 | OsRo | and the kernel source 2.16.19.1 |
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| 11:31.44 | tarzeau | anyone has got non-i386 architecture, about 10gb diskspace and network bandwith wants to provide lzma packaged debian packages? |
| 11:31.51 | valdyn | OsRo: backports.org has fine kernels for sarge, i cant debug your custom kernel |
| 11:31.57 | xingu | nelf: sorry, can't help you there; if I had your hardware I'd be running amd64 on it. |
| 11:32.23 | nelf | xingu: If I'd installed the machine, I wouldn't be in this pickle :) |
| 11:32.37 | xingu | mmm, pickles. |
| 11:32.43 | xingu | and salt beef |
| 11:32.46 | xingu | yum |
| 11:32.47 | valdyn | !pae |
| 11:32.55 | azeem | nelf: I guess you can try |
| 11:33.13 | nelf | !pae ? |
| 11:33.18 | azeem | nelf: do you have a second machine to test on? |
| 11:33.34 | valdyn | nelf: thats just a blind query to the dpkg bot |
| 11:33.56 | nelf | azeem: Unfortunately not, but we could schedule in some downtime to give it a whirl. |
| 11:34.02 | nelf | valdyn: no worries |
| 11:34.11 | azeem | nelf: if you can access it locally, that'd be fine |
| 11:34.22 | azeem | it'd just suck if it was remote and you couldn't boot the old kernel |
| 11:34.29 | azeem | if things go wrong |
| 11:34.30 | nelf | azeem: Engineer going in Monday |
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| 11:36.45 | OsRo | it is impossible, debian does not serve for IBM xseries 306m I have tried it during 3 weeks with sarge with etch |
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| 11:37.13 | OsRo | I wrote to IBM but nobody knows as to install they debian in this machine |
| 11:37.22 | OsRo | Very I am disappointed. I have tried it with all my forces but it is impossibl |
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| 11:38.56 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 11:39.07 | valdyn | !whine |
| 11:39.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 11:39.35 | rxKaffee | hmm. why would find see a file, but dpkg -S not see it? |
| 11:40.13 | valdyn | rxKaffee: because that file is not from a debian package? |
| 11:40.14 | azeem | rxKaffee: dpkg -S only knows of files which got shipped in .deb files, some files get created by installation scripts of by applications when running |
| 11:40.43 | valdyn | rxKaffee: maybe tell us which file you are talking about |
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| 11:41.33 | rxKaffee | oooh, ok... I thought dpkg was saying it could not find the file on disk |
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| 11:41.43 | rxKaffee | it just means it doesn't belong to a package |
| 11:41.46 | FuriousRage | is there a way in debian sarge (console only) so show what ramsticks i got, how many and what amount those have? (like sisoft sandra in windows can) |
| 11:42.02 | cydork | FuriousRage: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 11:42.12 | FuriousRage | cydork: thanks |
| 11:42.43 | cydork | FuriousRage: i suggest lshw |
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| 11:43.28 | FuriousRage | cydork: oki, thanks you, jut have to get it. |
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| 11:45.31 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.19 |
| 11:45.36 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 11:45.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm ... |
| 11:47.07 | valdyn | OsRo: sarge-custom-1115.iso supports your disk controller, to be found at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 11:49.00 | FuriousRage | cydork: lshw is a great tool, thanks ;> |
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| 11:50.38 | cydork | FuriousRage: np :) |
| 11:51.21 | OsRo | I am going to see this new option thank you valdyn |
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| 11:52.16 | DeFender1031 | hi i have a mio digiwalker p350 and i am having trouble getting raki to recognize it. |
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| 11:57.34 | khaleel5000 | Hi everyone , i Have Debian Etch , Msi fx5600 Vtdr card (Nvidia fx5600 chip based) I want to install drivers , I have doen a fresh install , can I get a HOW TO (I got some on the net but none that was authentic in terms for debain etch and since I fscked trying to install drivers using the how-to at nvidia, I would like sone authentic FOR_DEBAIN howto for this new , fresh install |
| 11:58.12 | blondie | !etch nvidia |
| 11:58.13 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 11:58.23 | blondie | o.O |
| 11:59.14 | khaleel5000 | blondie: thanks , but I didnot get the 'Use something less than -3 version of 8756 driver part (does this mean use 8753 or less? ) |
| 11:59.28 | blondie | dunno |
| 11:59.32 | valdyn | dpkg: no, etch nvidia is <reply>As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php. |
| 11:59.32 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
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| 12:02.01 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: blondie a little bit fucktard n00b here , should I get only three things mentioned under testig i.e: nvidia-graphics-drivers 1.0.8776-3, nvidia-kernel-common 20051028+1 , nvidia-graphics-modules-i386 1.0.8776+5 ? |
| 12:02.13 | blondie | sorry I don't know |
| 12:02.49 | khaleel5000 | blondie: etch still classified as testing ? |
| 12:03.08 | valdyn | khaleel5000: the modules are a precompiled kernel module and only for a specific kernel, probably not yours |
| 12:04.04 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: sorry I am not getting you exactly |
| 12:04.31 | blondie | khaleel5000: yes |
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| 12:10.39 | piyush_patel | My session could't startup showing "mkdtmp: private socket dir: permission denied" |
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| 12:14.41 | czr | does anyone use gnome here? |
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| 12:15.09 | czr | I have a question about gnome-system-monitor and the right-most field (by default) called 'Memory' |
| 12:15.36 | cast | czr: don't take 3 lines to ask 1 line of question ;) |
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| 12:16.33 | Arafangion | How do I install the "fixed" font? |
| 12:16.46 | cydork | Arafangion: /msg dpkg fixed |
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| 12:17.14 | cydork | Arafangion: install xfonts-base ,IIRC |
| 12:17.25 | czr | cast, it's a long question and I'd rather not spend time explaining it to people who have no interest |
| 12:17.44 | Arafangion | could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 12:18.09 | ozzloy | i just plugged in a webcam, ekiga is displaying images from it, how do i find out where the actual device is under /dev/* |
| 12:18.12 | ozzloy | ?? |
| 12:19.18 | piyush_patel | my session could't startup showing "mkdtmp: private socket dir: permission denied" |
| 12:19.38 | cast | czr: well, its two keys of typing to repeat a question in another room. {up,enter}. i use gnome-system-monitor, but not gnome, i'm sure a few people here use gnome. but no one has any idea if they can help until they hear your actual question, if no one here answers, join #gnome and ask the same question, though i'd start in #gnome since it is room policy here to ask app specific questions in rooms dedicated to them, if they exist |
| 12:20.01 | cydork | ozzloy: it should be /dev/video* |
| 12:20.03 | czr | cast, fine. thanks for that helpful information. |
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| 12:21.50 | Arafangion | How do I install the "fixed" font? I'm trying to use vncserver |
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| 12:22.38 | iLLf8d | anyone running kde4? |
| 12:23.09 | x_link | Not me. |
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| 12:26.10 | barravince | hi to all |
| 12:26.19 | barravince | i've a problem with alien |
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| 12:26.48 | cydork | noo alien got him! |
| 12:26.48 | iLLf8d | I'm sure you do |
| 12:26.49 | iLLf8d | alien is a bad idea |
| 12:27.01 | iLLf8d | debs=good alien=bad |
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| 12:27.14 | Arafangion | Only thing I ever used alien for was Sun Java. |
| 12:27.19 | Arafangion | And OpenOffice.org |
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| 12:27.44 | iLLf8d | barravince I've been using debian for years and aliens never worked when I've tried it |
| 12:28.05 | cydork | iLLf8d: stop talking to dead people .. |
| 12:28.05 | blondie | ALIEN INVASION |
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| 12:28.36 | iLLf8d | cydork, ah didn't see him leave |
| 12:28.42 | cydork | iLLf8d: :) |
| 12:28.53 | iLLf8d | guess he didn't like the fat that noone responded in under a minute |
| 12:29.01 | iLLf8d | s/fat/fact |
| 12:29.02 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 12:29.05 | cydork | blondie: you want me to hold your hand? :p |
| 12:29.27 | blondie | cydork: I'll get back to you on that. |
| 12:29.45 | khaleel5000 | Hi again , from which repo can I get kernel source for debian etch (uname -r tells me its 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 12:30.06 | cydork | khaleel5000: all repos should have it. |
| 12:30.10 | dimir | Poor guy could not say another word. |
| 12:30.13 | blondie | apt-get source linux-image... |
| 12:30.35 | cydork | s/image/source/ |
| 12:30.43 | cydork | bahh |
| 12:31.32 | iLLf8d | can anyone running kde tell me if there are any decent looking applets to control cpu throttling and lmsensors readouts? |
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| 12:31.43 | ozzloy | cydork: thank you |
| 12:31.48 | iLLf8d | the ksensors package looks like ass |
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| 12:32.29 | sinizzl | hmm |
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| 12:33.48 | cydork | iLLf8d: there is SuperKaramba or something like that for kde .. |
| 12:33.57 | khaleel5000 | cydork: I have debian etch , i dont have not added any repo ,and it seems that its 3 dvds dont ahve it , can you please tell me a link to repo of etch which would have em |
| 12:34.23 | Arafangion | khaleel5000: You dowwnloaded 3 DVD's? |
| 12:34.25 | iLLf8d | cydork, heh I was just checking the page to see whats out and how difficult it'd be to make my own desklets |
| 12:34.48 | khaleel5000 | Arafangion: ordered (dialup user can affford to download dvds , else would ahve done netinst |
| 12:34.56 | cydork | khaleel5000: do apt-cache search linux-source-2.6.17 |
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| 12:35.19 | Arafangion | khaleel5000: Ahh, cool. :) Still, most places I looked at only sold the first 3 *CD's* |
| 12:35.20 | khaleel5000 | linux-patch-debian-2.6.17 - Debian patches to version 2.6.17 of the Linux kernel |
| 12:35.20 | khaleel5000 | linux-source-2.6.17 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.17 with Debian patches |
| 12:35.38 | cydork | khaleel5000: you have it then :) |
| 12:36.28 | khaleel5000 | Arafangion: Copyleft.com.pk they sell any linuxdistro you want (for some more charges than the ones they have already at their website) |
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| 12:38.58 | rxKaffee | ok, I got apt to install the nvidia kernel drivers for me |
| 12:39.23 | rxKaffee | but when I try to install nvidia-glx, it trys to install udev |
| 12:39.43 | OleMoudi | does cron daemon need a restart to be affected by changes in /etc/crontab ? |
| 12:40.01 | rxKaffee | and stuff like linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 and busybox |
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| 12:42.20 | czr | OleMoudi, /etc/init.d/cron reload |
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| 12:43.43 | OsRo | valdyn: it does not work sarge-custom-1115.iso does not recognize the hard disk just as the other installers of sarge and etch |
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| 12:44.43 | xopey_ | jetscreamer: , you still at it? |
| 12:45.26 | Arafangion | Why is it that installing xserver-xorg installs ten zillion drivers but no fonts? |
| 12:45.56 | xopey_ | hey c|int, you still up? |
| 12:46.01 | valdyn | Arafangion: why should it? |
| 12:46.36 | Arafangion | valdyn: So that at the very least the default font can run. |
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| 12:48.00 | valdyn | Arafangion: so? |
| 12:48.29 | valdyn | Arafangion: read the description, its to install a functional xserver, that is all, not more, not less, its NOT sufficient to run X locally |
| 12:49.06 | Arafangion | valdyn: I could've done without the drivers too. |
| 12:49.16 | valdyn | Arafangion: then do without |
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| 12:49.51 | valdyn | Arafangion: no one forces you to install that package |
| 12:50.38 | valdyn | Arafangion: maybe if you told us what you really want, someone could help you |
| 12:51.47 | Arafangion | valdyn: To run vncserver |
| 12:52.06 | Arafangion | Currently downloading some extra fonts. |
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| 12:52.41 | valdyn | Arafangion: i dont see where installing vncserver has a thing to do with xserver-xorg |
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| 12:53.08 | capiira | hmmmmm strange sound is working here but i can get login sounds to play in etch |
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| 12:53.17 | capiira | even starting it manually |
| 12:53.28 | valdyn | capiira: using gnome? |
| 12:53.33 | capiira | yeah |
| 12:53.58 | CharminTheMoose | are the man pages on debian sarge supposed to be in /usr/local/share/man? |
| 12:54.04 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: no |
| 12:54.09 | Arafangion | valdyn: Hmm, your right. |
| 12:54.17 | capiira | maybe its because it says (ESD) |
| 12:54.36 | capiira | its beside the enable software mixing button in sound tab |
| 12:54.39 | CharminTheMoose | valdyn: where are they supposed to be then? |
| 12:54.55 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: /usr/share/man |
| 12:55.24 | capiira | no idea valdyn ? |
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| 12:55.30 | CharminTheMoose | thanks |
| 12:55.39 | Kryptor | what imap deamon should i use with debian? |
| 12:55.43 | valdyn | capiira: ls -l /dev/dsp |
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| 12:55.55 | sep | Kryptor, courier or dovecot |
| 12:56.22 | Kryptor | whats the most popular |
| 12:56.28 | valdyn | !popcon |
| 12:56.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:56.29 | capiira | thats what i get crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2007-01-05 13:40 /dev/dsp |
| 12:56.45 | valdyn | capiira: which error does running esd in a shell give? |
| 12:57.04 | capiira | how can i do that? |
| 12:57.14 | valdyn | capiira: open a terminal, run 'esd' |
| 12:57.35 | capiira | device resource busy |
| 12:57.51 | valdyn | capiira: fuser /dev/ds |
| 12:57.52 | valdyn | capiira: fuser /dev/dsp |
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| 12:58.11 | Stephaknee | My computer is swapping a *LOT* lately. how can i find out what's using so much ram? |
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| 12:58.28 | rxKaffee | Stephaknee: top |
| 12:58.28 | valdyn | Stephaknee: run 'top', hit Shift-M |
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| 12:58.45 | Stephaknee | it's especially annoying since it's swapping out whatever controls the screensaver timer, and my screensaver often starts *while i'm actively using the machine* |
| 12:59.15 | Stephaknee | hmm. thanks. |
| 12:59.18 | capiira | is there no way to get it to use alsa? |
| 12:59.45 | valdyn | capiira: there is, but that's not really your issue right now... |
| 13:00.14 | capiira | its one now because xmms stoped working after starting esd |
| 13:00.22 | capiira | even with alsa selected |
| 13:00.44 | valdyn | capiira: why do you think alsa would fix this? |
| 13:00.45 | cydork | capiira: esd sucks |
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| 13:01.17 | capiira | because alsa can mix sound from different apps at same time |
| 13:01.56 | valdyn | capiira: can it? can you run more than 1 xmms instance at a time? |
| 13:02.17 | cydork | valdyn: with dmix you can |
| 13:02.27 | capiira | yeah |
| 13:02.33 | valdyn | cydork: yea i know, but i dont know if capiira can |
| 13:02.40 | valdyn | capiira: alright, apt-get install libesd-alsa0 |
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| 13:02.48 | capiira | not anymore after starting esd :) |
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| 13:03.19 | cydork | valdyn: :) |
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| 13:03.21 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 13:03.22 | valdyn | capiira: that might fix it, i dont remember if esd uses alsa properly |
| 13:03.29 | capiira | ahh fine |
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| 13:03.49 | capiira | let me kill esd then |
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| 13:08.40 | capiira | do i need to configure it or start it like esd? |
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| 13:08.51 | Techdeck | ahoy |
| 13:08.53 | stranger | hi all |
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| 13:09.09 | Techdeck | is Ian's wife name is Debra or Debbie? |
| 13:09.19 | Techdeck | s/second is// |
| 13:09.21 | Techdeck | :p |
| 13:09.35 | stranger | I have a windows .hlp help file, how can I convert it to a linux readable format? |
| 13:09.51 | guonzo | hi, i'm currently running php 4 - what's the easiest way to upgrade to php 5.1? |
| 13:10.03 | `6og | Techdeck, i *think* deborah |
| 13:10.18 | Techdeck | anyone disagrees? |
| 13:10.34 | cydork | capiira: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 13:10.52 | `6og | guonzo, its probably at backports.org |
| 13:10.52 | capiira | i already read about dmix |
| 13:11.00 | capiira | and its already up |
| 13:11.11 | capiira | by default |
| 13:11.15 | `6og | stranger, is taht the windows compiled html things? |
| 13:11.26 | `6og | oh, thats chm actually |
| 13:11.37 | Techdeck | `6og, ok, thank you |
| 13:11.50 | `6og | Techdeck, hope its right :) |
| 13:11.56 | Techdeck | :p |
| 13:12.06 | `6og | :P |
| 13:12.12 | cydork | Techdeck: Debra it is :) |
| 13:12.54 | Techdeck | cydork, are you _SURE_? |
| 13:13.08 | stranger | `6og, no it is an old .hlp file and i want to convert it to something standard, say html |
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| 13:13.10 | Techdeck | this is for an article, and I wouldn't want to be wrong :p |
| 13:13.14 | capiira | i read that with the alsa version that comes with debian i dont need to setup dmix anymore |
| 13:13.20 | capiira | and its working too |
| 13:13.22 | guonzo | ok, thanks `6og |
| 13:13.33 | `6og | Techdeck, looked at debian.org? :) |
| 13:13.34 | capiira | just startup sounds wont play |
| 13:13.35 | jakkass | afternoon all some guy named dreamer is bitchin in kubuntu about being banned from here |
| 13:13.37 | jakkass | just to let you know |
| 13:13.41 | `6og | stranger, no idea sorry tehn :( |
| 13:13.48 | Techdeck | `6og, heh actually no :p let me check |
| 13:13.55 | `6og | lol |
| 13:13.55 | CharminTheMoose | jakkass, what a tool |
| 13:14.02 | cydork | Techdeck: yep |
| 13:14.02 | jakkass | what did he do? |
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| 13:14.29 | cydork | !debra |
| 13:14.29 | dpkg | debra is, like, ian murdock's wife |
| 13:14.39 | `6og | hehe |
| 13:14.41 | cydork | !win me |
| 13:14.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, cydork! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 13:14.48 | `6og | rofl |
| 13:14.59 | Techdeck | Since many people have asked, Debian is pronounced /?de.bi.?n/. It comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. |
| 13:15.01 | Techdeck | w00t :> |
| 13:15.10 | jakkass | De.bi.n |
| 13:15.12 | jakkass | really? |
| 13:15.20 | Techdeck | http://www.us.debian.org/intro/about#who |
| 13:15.24 | jakkass | i pronounced it Debeean |
| 13:15.26 | Techdeck | check the "How'd it all get started?" |
| 13:15.33 | jakkass | Deb-ee-in rather |
| 13:16.17 | Techdeck | jakkass, it's de.bi.an |
| 13:16.17 | Techdeck | somehow it got ruined when I pasted it |
| 13:16.44 | Techdeck | thanks all |
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| 13:19.35 | aubergine | Where can i configure top? Because an other admin has sorted it after RAM usage which isnt needed anymore |
| 13:19.37 | malebria | Hello, I want to do an ssh tunnel to connect to a machine via ssh, which is behind a NAT gateway. |
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| 13:20.14 | malebria | She can connect via ssh to me, but I can't connect to her because I she doens't have a valid IP (she uses the proxy one). |
| 13:20.35 | sep | aubergine, /etc/toprc ? |
| 13:20.40 | ofer0 | malebria, okay, so do it |
| 13:21.14 | malebria | ofer0: I'm reading a text talking about ssh tunnel, but it doesn't talk about the case when I do not know her IP. |
| 13:21.25 | sep | aubergine, can also be ~/.toprc afaik |
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| 13:22.04 | bloo_sky | how do I find the owner of a PID? |
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| 13:22.16 | bloo_sky | I mean user who started the PID |
| 13:22.18 | aubergine | (sep) thank there it is |
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| 13:22.27 | jakkass | Techdeck so thats like De-by-an |
| 13:22.35 | jakkass | or like De-bee-an |
| 13:22.36 | sep | bloo_sky, use -u on the ps tool |
| 13:22.43 | blondie | bloo_sky: ps -ef | grep pid? |
| 13:22.58 | kombi_ | in the debian version of apache, where do modules go? (non debian ones like mod_publisher) |
| 13:23.00 | blondie | sep: that's the wrong way roudn |
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| 13:23.11 | malebria | Is it possible? I think I'll have to connect from her to me, and after that use her connection to connect to her. |
| 13:23.23 | malebria | But I can't find a doc about it, does anyone know where I can find? |
| 13:23.30 | kombi_ | malebria: your girl friend? |
| 13:23.46 | malebria | kombi_: yes. |
| 13:23.54 | kombi_ | s/girl friend/girlfriend/.. cool! |
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| 13:24.02 | bloo_sky | blondie: thanks. I'll note that for next time. |
| 13:24.18 | malebria | kombi_: but do you know how I can make a ssh tunnel to work ;like that? |
| 13:25.10 | kombi_ | malebira: by ssh tunnel you mean a password-less connection? |
| 13:25.55 | malebria | kombi_: it doesn't need to be without password. I just want to connect via ssh to her, but she is behind a nat gateway. |
| 13:25.59 | blondie | malebria: she needs to use the "-R" option to connect to you |
| 13:26.03 | blondie | and then you can ssh back |
| 13:26.08 | sep | malebria, she must connect to you |
| 13:26.18 | blondie | or, she can ssh to a third party |
| 13:26.27 | kombi_ | malebira: ok.. |
| 13:26.48 | malebria | blondie: thanks.. |
| 13:26.54 | malebria | I'm reading about -R in ssh doc |
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| 13:30.07 | Mark_Iron | what is the difference between: [ ] debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso 01-Jan-2007 10:39 636M AND debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso 01-Jan-2007 10:47 646M |
| 13:30.26 | SlayerXP | Mark_Iron: "-kde" |
| 13:30.29 | daxxar | I guess one of them ships with KDE per default, the other Gnome? |
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| 13:31.41 | kombi_ | how do you add a non-apache non-debian module to debian's apache? Can't user apache-modconf there.. |
| 13:32.11 | pablo__ | i have this problem with the x, it says ee failed to load module kdb mouse synaptics |
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| 13:32.34 | Mark_Iron | SlayerXP: thank you ... :-) |
| 13:32.42 | SlayerXP | np |
| 13:33.09 | guonzo | how can i overwrite existing directories with my? i get "mv: cannot overwrite directory" |
| 13:33.25 | Mark_Iron | there are 10MB more software on the KDE CD @ SlayerXP |
| 13:33.32 | guonzo | worry with "mv", not "my" ;) |
| 13:34.00 | pablo__ | how can i autodetect my video card |
| 13:34.11 | cb | check your rights on the folder? |
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| 13:34.23 | guonzo | cb i'm root :S |
| 13:34.31 | cb | hmm |
| 13:36.34 | pablo__ | i have this problem with the x, it says ee failed to load module kdb mouse synaptics |
| 13:37.08 | Arafangion | How do I hide decorations for a window, and completely maximize it in fluxbox? |
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| 13:41.06 | Zap-W | question , in pam , it says module-type > password , "is required for updating the authentication token associated with the user" in that case why does "su" service name in /etc/pam.d/ have an entry of module-type password , afaik su dosen't change passwords , only authenticates ? |
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| 13:45.11 | overridden | I was asked by a user to inform this channel that he was banned for quit/joins because of his faulty ISP, and he would like to be re-allowed since his ISP has solved the problem |
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| 13:45.28 | overridden | greets |
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| 13:47.53 | c|int | hey jetscreamer |
| 13:47.55 | c|int | i fixed it |
| 13:48.03 | c|int | and I didn't remove gnome lol |
| 13:48.30 | c|int | now .. to get my ipod working properly, with banshee, gtkpod, and amarok |
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| 13:51.26 | obstfliege | tag zusammen! |
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| 13:58.29 | mc__ | obstfliege: english |
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| 14:00.20 | palmax | Hello! |
| 14:00.39 | palmax | I wanna install debian stable with a raid5 mount / |
| 14:00.45 | palmax | how can I do that? |
| 14:01.06 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
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| 14:01.23 | ^Timo^ | is there anyone that have experince with bopm |
| 14:01.24 | ^Timo^ | ? |
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| 14:01.30 | ^Timo^ | i have problem with it |
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| 14:03.15 | mc__ | !anyone |
| 14:03.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 14:04.14 | palmax | voy a probarlo |
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| 14:04.16 | palmax | hasta luego |
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| 14:07.43 | ^Timo^ | ok well |
| 14:07.45 | ^Timo^ | my problem is |
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| 14:08.40 | _Brandon_ | hi, i can't get my mic to work under debian, could someone help me? |
| 14:08.41 | ^Timo^ | [Jan 05 13:54:34 2007] MAIN -> Error opening /some/path/bopm.pid: No such file or directory |
| 14:08.43 | ^Timo^ | [Jan 05 13:54:34 2007] MAIN -> Error opening /some/path/bopm.pid: No such file or directory |
| 14:09.03 | ^Timo^ | thats what the log i saying |
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| 14:09.08 | ^Timo^ | not more |
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| 14:11.09 | mc__ | _Brandon_: does sound work at all? |
| 14:11.24 | _Brandon_ | mc__: yes |
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| 14:11.41 | mc__ | _Brandon_: double check that you Mic isnt muted |
| 14:11.55 | mc__ | _Brandon_: with alsamix,kmix or somethin |
| 14:12.09 | _Brandon_ | mc__: i've already checked that |
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| 14:12.26 | mc__ | _Brandon_: how are you testing your mic? |
| 14:12.36 | _Brandon_ | mc__: with krec |
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| 14:15.17 | fireba11 | http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/eu_streaming_service_for_everybody <- could more people please sign this petition to stream from the council of EU ina a platform-independent format ? thanks |
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| 14:17.15 | sam_uk | i run a amd64 install, i have installed a chroot from which i run ooffice and iceweasel. I cannot get iceweasel plugins to work. when i visit a webpage that says 'missing plugins click here' it never finds the plugin- even for things like flash that i know work. is there another approach for installing media plugins on a chroot'ed 32bit iceweasel? |
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| 14:18.04 | schme | fireba11: signed. |
| 14:18.06 | abrotman | might want to ask #debian-amd64 |
| 14:18.33 | sam_uk | OK thanks abrotman |
| 14:18.53 | capiira | ohh its working now thx valdyn |
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| 14:25.24 | abrotman | god FF sucks ... |
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| 14:29.13 | cydork | FF+flash sucks a lot more |
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| 14:30.36 | ben23 | hey i want a folder than deletes any contents older than 20mins |
| 14:30.43 | ben23 | is there anyway of doing this |
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| 14:31.36 | Thumper_ | good morning! I have a number of Debian machines on a LAN running various versions of testing/sid. Is there a way to add the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives to the available list in aptitude? |
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| 14:31.56 | Thumper_ | I'm having issues with debmirror so my current mirror is out of date and I'd rather grab a package from the LAN if it's available first |
| 14:32.10 | abrotman | ben23: cron task ? |
| 14:32.17 | abrotman | cydork: it was actually a win32 issue :) |
| 14:32.32 | ben23 | i dont know any commands that could do this though |
| 14:32.58 | cydork | ben23: man 5 crontab |
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| 14:33.20 | devilmaycry` | hi all |
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| 14:33.33 | ben23 | i know ow to make cron |
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| 14:34.08 | ben23 | job |
| 14:35.25 | abrotman | ben23: man find |
| 14:35.41 | abrotman | ben23: you can use find to find files older than 20 minutes |
| 14:35.49 | ben23 | oh |
| 14:35.52 | ben23 | ill look |
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| 14:36.24 | schme | Does opera lock up as much as firefox does? |
| 14:36.33 | ben23 | more |
| 14:36.48 | schme | damn |
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| 14:39.55 | sam_uk | I cant get my ooffice dictionary working. I have installed the correct dictionary and tried to enable it. When installing it I got these errors http://pastebin.ca/306494 how can i set the locale correctly please? |
| 14:40.30 | cast | sam_uk: dpkg-reconfigure locales is how i set them |
| 14:40.45 | sam_uk | cast thanks |
| 14:43.38 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 14:43.40 | Ny-Ty | hi all |
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| 14:44.26 | abrotman | schme: in my case .. far far less |
| 14:44.32 | abrotman | or rather .. my experience |
| 14:44.49 | schme | abrotman: I'll try it out.. it is getting annoying :D |
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| 14:45.03 | abrotman | schme: caveat .. i use the static build .deb |
| 14:45.22 | schme | Sounds like a good idea |
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| 14:48.59 | kombi_ | can't insert a 3rd party module into apache, how does one do it in debian? |
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| 14:53.54 | kombi_ | I wouldn't quite want to recompile apache for that.. |
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| 14:56.17 | PupenoR | Hello. |
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| 14:58.18 | PupenoR | Is there same place where packages post-etch are being gathered ? |
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| 15:00.10 | cast | like, sid? |
| 15:01.16 | PupenoR | cast: is sid the one labeled "unstable" in packages.debian.org ? |
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| 15:02.05 | cast | yes, there's stable [sarge], testing [etch], unstable [sid] |
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| 15:02.46 | PupenoR | cast: oh! great. |
| 15:03.00 | PupenoR | Is anyone working on packages for the recently released Asterisk 1.4.0 ? |
| 15:03.04 | azeem | unstable is not supported here |
| 15:04.02 | bhagabhi | Setting up a new harddrive in gparted I get the question: "Set disk label on /dev/sdb" - it defaults to msdos - is there a problem with this? Should I use something else? Feels _very_ wrong to set it to msdos, but that might just be me ;) This is on a new SATA drive intended for debian use only. |
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| 15:04.25 | MsgToThePpl | Hi, there's a way to command application with voice in DebIan ? |
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| 15:07.42 | nOp | bhagabhi |
| 15:08.03 | nOp | > for linux, disk label is not very important |
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| 15:09.08 | Tenkawa | is there a package in debian to bind a process's net calls to a specific ip kinda like taskset can do with cpus? |
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| 15:20.51 | Nazcafan | hi is there a stronger way to shutdown the X server that pkill -9 xorg ? |
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| 15:21.16 | Nazcafan | because that was not enough to kill the app, the other day |
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| 15:23.30 | blondie | Nazcafan: the executable isn't called xorg |
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| 15:23.41 | blondie | it's called X |
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| 15:25.24 | |capiira | anyone know if there is a way to configure the grid space where icons aligns in gnome |
| 15:25.32 | Nazcafan | blondie: so what is xorg, then ? |
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| 15:26.37 | blondie | Nazcafan: it's the name of the X server, but not the name of the actual program (binary) |
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| 15:27.15 | Nazcafan | blondie: fou@majnoun:~$ ps -A | grep X |
| 15:27.16 | Nazcafan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.47 | ofer0 | /usr/bin/Xorg: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.6, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 15:28.00 | blondie | well mine's not called that |
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| 15:28.09 | devilmaycry` | !help |
| 15:28.09 | blondie | anyway, xorg != Xorg |
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| 15:28.28 | Nazcafan | blondie: I am case insensitive, today |
| 15:28.42 | blondie | but linux isn't ;) |
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| 15:29.20 | ofer0 | Argument "xorg" isn't numeric in numeric ne (!=) at blondie line 1. \n Argument "Xorg" isn't numeric in numeric ne (!=) at blondie line 1. |
| 15:29.36 | Nazcafan | I stated that by memory, so I did not remember the exact case, however, I couldn't kill the app, neither through pkill -9 Xorg nor throuh kill -9 #### |
| 15:29.37 | devilmaycry` | after installation xserver (XFree86) and graphic server kde my pc show black screen howto fix this bug |
| 15:29.57 | ofer0 | devilmaycry`, it's not a bug, it's a mis-configuration |
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| 15:31.10 | Nazcafan | so is there something in between kill -9 and the reset button ? |
| 15:31.26 | devilmaycry` | mm |
| 15:31.32 | devilmaycry` | I not understand |
| 15:31.33 | devilmaycry` | you |
| 15:31.36 | devilmaycry` | ;) |
| 15:31.43 | cbr | so how far is etch? i want to have dangerous things in sid already :p |
| 15:31.44 | blondie | devilmaycry`: turn the monitor on? |
| 15:31.50 | devilmaycry` | I speak little english |
| 15:31.55 | devilmaycry` | yes hahaha |
| 15:31.57 | devilmaycry` | is turn on |
| 15:32.01 | devilmaycry` | ofcourse |
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| 15:32.33 | cast | Nazcafan: if you find it tell me :>, run pstree and kill whatever spawned it? |
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| 15:32.44 | devilmaycry` | I am not a biglame |
| 15:32.47 | devilmaycry` | balama |
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| 15:33.33 | devilmaycry` | gluapk ti si tup kato cqlo stado vulci s elektrojeni navri si malkoto pishe v diviq i taka shte budesh tolkowa zadovolen che chak priqtelkata ti shte se chudi .. (ako imash takawa) |
| 15:33.59 | blondie | english only |
| 15:34.20 | devilmaycry` | yes sorry |
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| 15:37.39 | iopk | what would the regex be to tell grep to show me all lines from a file that DON'T contain "favicon" ? |
| 15:37.49 | ofer0 | iopk, grep -v |
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| 15:37.55 | ofer0 | iopk, grep -v 'favicon' |
| 15:38.12 | ofer0 | iopk, but just touch favicon.ico, so you won't get those stupid 404's |
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| 15:47.40 | Roey | evilbulgarian: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2005/01/04/drunk-bulgarian-050104.html |
| 15:47.51 | Roey | evilbulgarian: guy had a .9+ BAC |
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| 15:50.18 | rahul | eek, an evil bulgarian |
| 15:50.24 | rahul | I know a hot bulgarian chick :P |
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| 15:51.52 | ^Timo^ | can someone tell me where i can find some support from bopm |
| 15:52.01 | blondie | what's bopm? |
| 15:52.21 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.31 | ^Timo^ | its a proxy scanner for irc |
| 15:52.32 | cahoot | any problem involved in resorting to /var/lib/dkpkg/status.old if the original is corrupted? |
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| 15:53.09 | azeem | cahoot: it's better than reinstalling |
| 15:53.21 | azeem | cahoot: also check /var/backup |
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| 15:53.58 | cahoot | azeem: thanks |
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| 15:56.28 | norc | I changed my console font to a proggy font, but the control chars for curses applications like mc are missing, I couldn't simply add those control chars with fontforge for example, after adding them I couldn't find them with xfontsel. Now my problem is that mc -a doesnt work either, it isnt even using | - and + instead of the control chars, but black boxes. |
| 15:56.33 | norc | Any idea? |
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| 15:57.20 | azeem | norc: which terminal emulation client are you usign? |
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| 15:58.15 | norc | azeem: xterm |
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| 15:58.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 15:59.02 | norc | azeem: but the error is definetly in mc (im on etch), because when I connect to another computer in my local network running a stable debian via ssh mc -a works fine there |
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| 15:59.09 | norc | ok jetscreamer :) |
| 15:59.35 | jetscreamer | noguarrantees though |
| 15:59.51 | norc | no, its not my problem |
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| 16:02.44 | kombi_ | does debian's apache not use apxs? |
| 16:02.56 | azeem | what is apxs? |
| 16:02.56 | abrotman | apt-file search apxs |
| 16:03.05 | abrotman | !find apxs etch |
| 16:03.13 | abrotman | azeem: some module thing IIRC |
| 16:03.15 | abrotman | !apxs |
| 16:03.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apxs' (4 of 6): (/usr/bin/{apxs|apxs-perl|apxs-ssl}) in devel/apache-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache-doc/manual/programs/apxs.html) in doc/apache-doc ;; (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libapache-request-perl/examples/c/testapreq/Makefile.apxs) in perl/libapache-request-perl. |
| 16:03.24 | abrotman | !prize me |
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| 16:04.00 | kombi_ | medal deserved, but why does locate apxs not find it.. |
| 16:04.09 | abrotman | because you don't have the -dev package installed ? |
| 16:04.23 | kombi_ | ohhkaay.. |
| 16:04.23 | azeem | !prize abrotman |
| 16:04.26 | azeem | ! |
| 16:04.32 | abrotman | i want a regular pony ... |
| 16:04.41 | azeem | you're greedy |
| 16:04.41 | kombi_ | a Pony even, I'm jealous.. |
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| 16:08.11 | abrotman | kombi_: did you find it ? |
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| 16:09.44 | kombi_ | abrotman: did and already compiled my little module |
| 16:10.04 | kombi_ | regular pony well deserved! |
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| 16:10.19 | kombi_ | isn't there even a band by that name..? |
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| 16:10.33 | kombi_ | the international pony or sth like that |
| 16:10.37 | mindframe | etch is nice :)))) |
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| 16:12.43 | utab | looking for a good and concise installation manual, the official manual is too long, any comments on this |
| 16:13.00 | rahul | utab: are you familiar with how to use a table of contents? |
| 16:13.17 | rahul | or should I just randomly delete half the sections and you'll be happy? |
| 16:13.52 | utab | rahul: hmmm you are not happy with what I wanted |
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| 16:14.30 | rahul | if you want an incomplete manual, I can provide you with one |
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| 16:14.50 | rahul | if you want to ignore the sections that don't apply to you, I can't help you with that |
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| 16:15.47 | utab | rahul: the meaning of concise was not deleting sections, I just wondered if there was sth more direct |
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| 16:15.59 | rahul | utab: it's plenty direct |
| 16:16.08 | utab | rahul: I am reading that now |
| 16:16.09 | rahul | YOU need to go directly to the sections that interest you |
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| 16:16.37 | utab | rahul: thx anyway |
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| 16:18.07 | norc | does dpkg-buildpackage also configure the source? |
| 16:18.17 | azeem | yes |
| 16:18.21 | norc | how do I set certain configure flags then? |
| 16:18.26 | norc | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
| 16:18.32 | azeem | norc: no, you edit debian/rules usually |
| 16:18.49 | norc | azeem: er? |
| 16:18.54 | azeem | ? |
| 16:18.58 | norc | what do you mean |
| 16:19.09 | azeem | what part did you not understand? |
| 16:19.14 | norc | [17:18:32] < azeem> norc: no, you edit debian/rules usually |
| 16:19.16 | norc | that one? ;) |
| 16:19.21 | norc | what is debian/rules |
| 16:19.26 | azeem | ok, no is the opposite of "yes" |
| 16:19.29 | azeem | ah |
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| 16:19.44 | azeem | it's a file in your debianized source tree |
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| 16:20.03 | azeem | $EDITOR debian/rules should work if you're at the same location you would run dpkg-buildpackage from |
| 16:20.04 | utab | rahul: was that a so weird question? |
| 16:20.13 | rahul | utab: yes |
| 16:20.22 | norc | azeem: but I must get the source with apt-get source then? |
| 16:20.22 | azeem | utab: the installation is pretty self-explanatory |
| 16:20.24 | rahul | utab: not weird actually, just immature |
| 16:20.39 | azeem | norc: the same is true if you want to run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:20.58 | utab | rahul: yes could be, sorry |
| 16:21.08 | azeem | rahul: why do you think people who install Debian are trying to be savvy in computers? |
| 16:21.12 | norc | azeem: is there another way to create a .deb file from a source I got somewhere else? |
| 16:21.22 | rahul | azeem: because linux is 1337 :P |
| 16:21.34 | azeem | rahul: you seem to be living in the 90s stil |
| 16:21.42 | rahul | I am listening to Pantera |
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| 16:21.49 | azeem | norc: they all call dpkg-buildpackage eventually, AFAIK |
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| 16:21.52 | Grub_Now | pantera |
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| 16:22.07 | Grub_Now | rahul: nice band |
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| 16:22.51 | rahul | Grub_Now: not my favorite, but I like hearing their songs every so often |
| 16:23.14 | Grub_Now | sepultura |
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| 16:24.43 | rahul | heh |
| 16:24.49 | rahul | I like some sevendust |
| 16:25.16 | Grub_Now | i like food |
| 16:25.25 | rahul | I like Julia |
| 16:25.27 | rahul | mmmmm |
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| 16:27.13 | Raspberry | is anybody else having problems using .htaccess files with DAV_SVN & Apache 2 in Testing? |
| 16:27.54 | Raspberry | everything has been working fine for 3 years and it apparently broke a few weeks ago during my last update... although I see there's a package update today -- so maybe that'll resolve it |
| 16:28.01 | abrotman | checked the BTS ? |
| 16:28.05 | Raspberry | yeah |
| 16:28.15 | Raspberry | nothing obvious regarding this issue |
| 16:29.12 | Raspberry | if I comment out Require valid-user in the apache conf then it works fine w/o authentication |
| 16:29.21 | Raspberry | but that's obviously not a solution :) |
| 16:29.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:29.47 | Raspberry | I have 4 separately configured repos running on the same box with different .htaccess files and they're all broken |
| 16:29.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm in the valley of the dead |
| 16:30.00 | samuel | im trying to build a kernel from the source provided by debian, it fails in make menuconfig stating "make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1"... I dont see any recommends in linux source, are there other packages I need to build a kernel? |
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| 16:30.20 | rahul | samuel: why don't you try to tell us the actual error? |
| 16:30.42 | samuel | rahul: i thought i just did |
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| 16:30.45 | rahul | nope |
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| 16:30.56 | rahul | that's an error saying that something else reported an error |
| 16:31.27 | samuel | oh |
| 16:31.33 | samuel | "In file included from scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
| 16:31.34 | samuel | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory" |
| 16:31.42 | rahul | good. you need libncurses-dev |
| 16:31.47 | rahul | are you using kernel-package? |
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| 16:32.03 | samuel | rahul: yes, kernel package i have |
| 16:32.09 | Raspberry | it's just strange it's like my passwords aren't valid -- I recreated the dav_svn.passwd file and that doesn't fix it either... just keeps prompting me for password over and over no matter what I type |
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| 16:32.22 | rahul | samuel: ok, this package is in the suggests for k-p |
| 16:32.27 | abrotman | Raspberry: you could report the bug :) |
| 16:32.54 | Raspberry | well I assume I'm doing something wrong because this would be such a showstopped it'd be reported already |
| 16:33.07 | samuel | rahul: oh, ok, thanks... I thought it would be in the suggests for linux-source, didnt think about k-p |
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| 16:39.07 | jinda2 | hello guys i need to install a module for freeradius (rlm_eap_tls.so) .. but am unable to find it |
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| 16:41.57 | OsRo | I can include firmware within intird? |
| 16:42.39 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 16:42.47 | abrotman | how would it know where to find it ? |
| 16:42.57 | abrotman | firmware for what ? |
| 16:43.09 | abrotman | !tell jinda2 about search |
| 16:43.20 | lunaphyte_ | does backuppc on debian not follow the documented convention of /etc/backuppc/hostname/config.pl, but rather /etc/backuppc/hostname.pl ? |
| 16:43.45 | abrotman | the docs don't say ? |
| 16:43.56 | lunaphyte_ | haven't found mention yet. |
| 16:44.07 | abrotman | check /usr/share/doc/backuppc/ also |
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| 16:44.24 | OsRo | this morning I received a message with this |
| 16:44.30 | lunaphyte_ | that's where i'm looking. |
| 16:44.30 | Raspberry | what's the best way to force the upgrade of a package that won't upgrade or remove |
| 16:44.35 | OsRo | Not being a Debian user, I don't know how to coerce mkinitrd to include |
| 16:44.36 | OsRo | the firmware blob so that udev can pick it up. I think you'll have to |
| 16:44.36 | OsRo | ask Debian about that one. In Ubuntu 6.10, it's a simple matter of |
| 16:44.36 | OsRo | putting it in /lib/firmware, but YMMWV. |
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| 16:44.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: my mirror of sid/i386/main is up and running at "deb http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ sid main" |
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| 16:45.04 | Raspberry | I'm trying to get past the imapproxy bug in the init.d script |
| 16:45.19 | khaleel5000 | Hi I have debian etch , I wanted to make some image or something of my current distro , so when ever (I screwup or I need a new install ) i can reinstall so I get to get similar settings etc (like norton ghost in windows? ) |
| 16:45.21 | lunaphyte_ | ok - there it is. |
| 16:45.37 | lunaphyte_ | that seems a bit "un-debian" :) |
| 16:46.03 | Raspberry | khaleel5000: make a copy of your /etc directory? |
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| 16:46.21 | Raspberry | I suppose you could write a script to install a new base set of packages |
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| 16:46.49 | lunaphyte_ | kind of a bummer - backuppc runs as user backuppc to be safe, but then it can't backup quite a few files that are only readable by root. |
| 16:46.50 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: no i am quite illiterate , have etch dvds , got some quite extensive set of updates for some bugs , |
| 16:47.00 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: so just /etc seems unfeasable |
| 16:47.17 | Raspberry | there's always an extensive set of updates for debian |
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| 16:48.39 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: ok , but would (what you just said be ) a suggestion , or theonly way to do what i wanted? |
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| 16:48.59 | Raspberry | no -- I'm sure there are plenty of ways to what you want to do |
| 16:49.12 | Raspberry | what in particular are you concerned about breaking? |
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| 16:49.57 | OsRo | sorry |
| 16:50.11 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: installing nvidia drivers etc |
| 16:50.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: telnet 80.219.76.117 27015 |
| 16:50.25 | jinda2 | can i unpack a rpm in debian? how? |
| 16:50.31 | tarzeau | jinda2: sure, using rpm |
| 16:50.36 | OsRo | somebody know include firmware in initrd ? |
| 16:50.38 | jinda2 | oks |
| 16:50.44 | Raspberry | just backup the /etc/X/Xorg.conf or XFree86.conf file |
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| 16:51.05 | Raspberry | that's about all you can screw up updating the nvidia drivers |
| 16:51.11 | Raspberry | then read the Readme.Debian |
| 16:51.21 | Raspberry | file in the nvidia kernel source file and follow the instructions |
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| 16:51.44 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: improper shutdowns ???.... |
| 16:51.46 | Raspberry | they're a bit off though... the readme says to run the kpkg command in the headers directory -- that's not true... you have to run it in the kernel source directory |
| 16:52.11 | Raspberry | khaleel5000: what does updating your video drivers have to do with improper shutdowns? |
| 16:52.28 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: no breaking away has connecction |
| 16:52.40 | Raspberry | english man, english |
| 16:52.41 | Raspberry | what? |
| 16:52.41 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: In pakistan a lot of times you get power probs , |
| 16:52.52 | marchino | hi! why there is NO_START to control if apache must be lunched at boot time? /etc/rc isn't enough |
| 16:52.59 | marchino | ? |
| 16:53.03 | Raspberry | I guess I wouldn't worry about that |
| 16:53.14 | Raspberry | because power problems could happen anytime |
| 16:53.23 | Raspberry | so if it breaks during an upgrade then it breaks |
| 16:53.32 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: the Concers reagarding breaking away are 1)nvidia , 2)improper shutdown , |
| 16:53.33 | jinda2 | tarzeau, i cannot find options in rpm command to unpack.... |
| 16:53.38 | Raspberry | you pop in the original debian dvds and overwrite the broken/half-installed drivers |
| 16:53.46 | tarzeau | jinda2: ask #redhat or #fedora ? |
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| 16:53.56 | tarzeau | jinda2: mc can do it |
| 16:53.57 | Raspberry | khaleel5000: seriously -- just install the drivers |
| 16:54.02 | jinda2 | oks |
| 16:54.04 | tarzeau | jinda2: isn't it cpio archives? |
| 16:54.11 | mc__ | what can i do? |
| 16:54.13 | Spliffster | nslookup! which package do i need to install ? apt-cache search doesn't seem to find anything |
| 16:54.20 | jinda2 | tarzeau, dunno got it from rpmfind.net |
| 16:54.22 | Raspberry | khaleel5000: if you're really worried about power and improper shutdowns -- install a new machine turn the power on and off 50 times and see what happens |
| 16:54.29 | tarzeau | jinda2: what is it? |
| 16:54.34 | tarzeau | mc__: midnight commander, not you |
| 16:54.42 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: I hve read howtos from Linuxquestions and nvidia and both the times they fscked up and I had to reinstall etch |
| 16:54.43 | mc__ | tarzeau: oh,alright |
| 16:55.02 | Raspberry | khaleel5000: well I'm running Etch right now and I upgraded my nvidia drivers last weekend and no issues |
| 16:55.06 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: ey get isntalled , modify Xorg , but then when loading it says : Module nvidia not found |
| 16:55.20 | Raspberry | khaleel5000: then you didn't follow the README |
| 16:55.22 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: which how to you followed / what did you do |
| 16:55.24 | Spliffster | hmm, nslookup should be installed by default. it isn't! in which package can i find it ? |
| 16:55.25 | jinda2 | tarzeau, libfreeradius..... i need deb rlm_eap_tls.so file from it (as it aint available in debian) |
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| 16:55.37 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: which READ me shoud I read? |
| 16:55.55 | Raspberry | I read the README and ran the kpkg in the linux source directory instead of the linux source headers directory |
| 16:56.05 | Raspberry | the README that comes with the Nvidia kernel module |
| 16:56.18 | Greyhound | just wanted to watch a dvd using vlc + libdvdcss2 |
| 16:56.23 | Greyhound | got this: |
| 16:56.24 | Greyhound | libdvdnav: ifoOpenVTSI failed - CRASHING!!! |
| 16:56.32 | Raspberry | that is extracted from the .tar.gz file that is placed in the /usr/src directory when you "install" the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 16:56.33 | Greyhound | (and some other stuff) |
| 16:56.49 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: so I get nvidia kernel module from the no free repo , then also get kernel headers , and kernel source |
| 16:56.58 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: and nvidia-kernel-common |
| 16:57.00 | Raspberry | khaleel5000: and did you extract those? |
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| 16:57.11 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: yup :( |
| 16:57.21 | Raspberry | you should be able to google a solution |
| 16:57.38 | Raspberry | ok then go into the /usr/src/modules/nvidia directory and read the README.debian |
| 16:58.12 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: I have fresh install , will just get nvidia-kernel module , kernel source , kernel headers and kernel-headers as we speak |
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| 16:59.50 | Raspberry | installing the nvidia kernel used to be hard -- then I read the instructions |
| 17:00.31 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: which instructions ? (i got no readme WITH nvidia-kernel module , it may have extrected one After the installation ) |
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| 17:00.38 | Raspberry | the actual path to the README you need to read is: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/README.debian |
| 17:00.40 | Raspberry | that answers |
| 17:00.44 | Raspberry | ALL of your questions |
| 17:00.57 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: Ok thanks |
| 17:01.04 | khaleel5000 | Raspberry: wil read it immediately |
| 17:03.06 | kombi_ | to replace every <VirtualHost *> with <VirtualHost *:80> - sed -e s/\<VirtualHost \*\>/\<VirtualHost\ \*:80\>/ ? |
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| 17:03.30 | kombi_ | cause that is now working.. |
| 17:03.41 | kombi_ | not. |
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| 17:04.08 | kombi_ | ..cause that is so not working.. |
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| 17:04.33 | strcat | hi |
| 17:04.37 | strcat | Someone can tell me what is used to show cpu usage, mem, disk etc on the following screenshot: http://www.xfce-look.org/content/pre2/36225-2.png ? |
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| 17:05.36 | kombi_ | strcat: cat /proc/cpuinfo meminfo df |
| 17:06.05 | kombi_ | oh screenshot, never mind, I'm blind to graphics |
| 17:06.57 | Flimzy | For a production Linux firewall, does it make more sense to use 3.1 stable, or 4.0 frozen? |
| 17:07.14 | mc__ | Flimzy: stable |
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| 17:07.23 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 17:07.40 | HardDisk_WP | in a debian book from frank ronneberg i read debian supports the SH3 architecture |
| 17:07.41 | kombi_ | Flimzy: either one will do |
| 17:07.42 | Flimzy | My only concern with stable is that once 4.0 becomes stable, I don't want to be forced to do a remote dist-upgrade to mantain security patches... |
| 17:07.48 | HardDisk_WP | and i have a hp 620lx organzier... |
| 17:07.58 | HardDisk_WP | it has a sh3 cpu. how doi i get debian on it? |
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| 17:09.34 | cast | HardDisk_WP: and is it listed under ports on debian.org? |
| 17:10.50 | HardDisk_WP | cast, yes it is, but the link is 404 |
| 17:11.06 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Is that Hitachi SuperH/sh? |
| 17:11.19 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: My recollection is that that is in-process but unreleased. |
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| 17:11.41 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, yes. sh3 |
| 17:12.09 | |capiira | hmm anyone know if there is a way to find installed but but used/needed libs and other stuff like that? |
| 17:12.18 | karsten | !tell Tchaka about auto away |
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| 17:12.25 | cast | |capiira: deborphan or some such |
| 17:12.31 | karsten | !tell Tchaka about away |
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| 17:12.48 | cast | |capiira: using aptitude instead of apt-get [suggested since sarge] solves that problem, anyway |
| 17:12.49 | |capiira | ohh cool thx |
| 17:12.52 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/itri-gist/ftp.m17n.org/ |
| 17:13.01 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: The website's moved. |
| 17:13.10 | |capiira | im using the gui tool |
| 17:13.15 | |capiira | synaptics |
| 17:13.23 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: However I don't see any SuperH there. |
| 17:13.31 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, i dont see sh :-( |
| 17:13.50 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: I think the short answer is "no" then. |
| 17:14.20 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, :-( |
| 17:14.28 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: I'm thinking a specific distro, or possibly Gentoo, may be your best bet. Basically: compile. |
| 17:14.47 | cast | http://netbsd.org/Ports/#ports-by-cpu mmm |
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| 17:15.08 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: http://www.superh-linux.org/ http://linux-sh.org/shwiki/FrontPage |
| 17:15.29 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, :-) thx |
| 17:15.57 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: I'm asking in #gentoo. There's limited support, 2-3 devs working on it. |
| 17:16.53 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, :-) |
| 17:17.55 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: 09:17 <+DrEeevil> karsten: compiling is prohibitive, crosscompiling is difficult |
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| 17:18.55 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: And one of those links above points to a current(?) Debian project: http://www.nigauri.org/~iwamatsu/debian/superh/packages/ |
| 17:19.06 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: From: http://linux-sh.org/shwiki/FrontPage |
| 17:19.30 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Also specifically mentions Gentoo. So those look like your two best bets. Good luck. |
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| 17:24.23 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, thks... |
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| 17:24.36 | Raspberry | yup the SVN problem was with apache -- it's fixed -- yay! |
| 17:24.40 | HardDisk_WP | <-- thinking about a way to get linux on the thing...bootloader for Win CE 2.0? |
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| 17:25.06 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: I'd think the links provided would cover that. |
| 17:25.15 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Sounds like a research task for you. |
| 17:25.43 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 17:27.44 | Edwin_Jaws | como entre a otra sala |
| 17:27.46 | Edwin_Jaws | ?? |
| 17:28.16 | blondie | Edwin_Jaws: english |
| 17:28.46 | Edwin_Jaws | ok |
| 17:28.47 | Edwin_Jaws | sorry |
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| 17:29.21 | necr00ne | does anybody know how i menage my processes in debian that some wont be started at startup(apache; sql etc)? |
| 17:29.24 | blondie | !es |
| 17:29.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:29.55 | rahul | necr00ne: man update-rc.d |
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| 17:31.33 | necr00ne | thx |
| 17:32.14 | necr00ne | another q. which firewall/anti virus programm do u provide for debian/kde 3.3.1? |
| 17:32.24 | rahul | debian/kde? |
| 17:32.46 | necr00ne | kde is running on it |
| 17:32.56 | rahul | and what does that have to do with routing? |
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| 17:33.16 | rahul | linux IS a firewall, with iptables compiled in and using the iptables tool to configure it |
| 17:33.30 | rahul | and what do viruses have to do with linux? |
| 17:34.35 | samuel | rahul: mabe hes asking about scanning for windows viruses from linux |
| 17:34.41 | rahul | in KDE? |
| 17:34.46 | necr00ne | id ont know iam using it for 2 days |
| 17:34.54 | necr00ne | sry man |
| 17:35.01 | samuel | if your worried about viruses in linux, dont be |
| 17:35.01 | rahul | don't install viruses. |
| 17:35.14 | samuel | just have a good password in your user |
| 17:35.19 | samuel | youll be ok |
| 17:35.23 | rahul | or don't allow remote login |
| 17:35.32 | rahul | don't install server software that you don't want. |
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| 17:37.02 | necr00ne | okay rhen i uninstall it |
| 17:37.07 | samuel | necr00ne: for firewall you probably dont have to worry about that unless you use things like banshee (share with itunes) or similar... you can use "firestarter" in gnome to help you configure it |
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| 17:37.17 | samuel | very nice gui oriented firewall tool |
| 17:37.19 | becki | hi |
| 17:37.37 | becki | what architekture is debian etch on x86? i486 or higher? |
| 17:37.48 | samuel | 386 or higher |
| 17:37.49 | h3sp4wn | becki: Yes |
| 17:37.56 | h3sp4wn | 486 or higher |
| 17:38.04 | becki | h3sp4wn: is there a i386 version available? |
| 17:38.16 | samuel | h3sp4wn: i thought it was for 386 |
| 17:38.32 | becki | samuel: hehe, it doesn't boot on i386 |
| 17:38.33 | OleMoudi | whats with apache2 on testing?, apt is telling me there is no such package |
| 17:38.55 | necr00ne | iam used to have a sql server running in windows for testing webseites and so, i thaught i need a runtimeenvironment in linux too |
| 17:38.59 | h3sp4wn | becki: Don't think so |
| 17:39.03 | becki | ok |
| 17:39.06 | becki | thx |
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| 17:39.50 | h3sp4wn | samuel: run gcc -v (says Target: i486-linux-gnu and there is no -386 kernels) |
| 17:39.53 | samuel | debian.org has i386 as the cd name |
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| 17:39.59 | samuel | odd |
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| 17:40.04 | samuel | oh well |
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| 17:40.34 | becki | is there a i386 distribution? |
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| 17:42.03 | OsRo | where I must keep firmware aic94xx-seq.fw so that carge during the starting? or it is necessary to put it in initrd? |
| 17:42.20 | samuel | becki: slack? |
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| 17:42.44 | becki | its i486, too |
| 17:42.48 | sharperguy | Anyone know of a real time software sampler for linux? Dosn't have to be advanced or anything, just assign buttons/keys to samples in whatever format. Prefereably supporting ALSA if possible. |
| 17:42.49 | h3sp4wn | becki: basic linux maybe |
| 17:42.52 | becki | k |
| 17:42.52 | SexyKen | Guys, if I dont have the drivers for a RAID card, and I need to know what it is without physically seeing it, is this possible? |
| 17:42.58 | cast | hmm, if there's not than the naming of http://www.debian.org/ports/i386/ is a bit wrong |
| 17:43.02 | becki | i trie this |
| 17:43.07 | h3sp4wn | becki: depends what you want to use it for |
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| 17:43.41 | rahul | SexyKen: lspci |
| 17:43.47 | SexyKen | ? |
| 17:43.54 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/something also |
| 17:44.08 | JordiGH | Some of the threads in the mailing lists... I can't believe someone is arguing about sex and gender. |
| 17:44.28 | JordiGH | Wtf is Amaya? |
| 17:44.29 | sharperguy | JordiGH, rofl |
| 17:44.31 | cast | becki: well, i know that with sarge it wouldn't boot off the first cd, you had to use one of the others in the set, something about booting off cds for old computers |
| 17:44.41 | SexyKen | rahul? |
| 17:44.49 | rahul | SexyKen? |
| 17:44.58 | rahul | JordiGH: w3c's web browser |
| 17:45.05 | JordiGH | sharperguy: You know the thread I'm talking about? Something about a gender field in db.debian.org |
| 17:45.05 | jetscreamer | amaya is the w3c web browser |
| 17:45.08 | SexyKen | lspci will do it? |
| 17:45.22 | JordiGH | rahul: amaya@debian.org? (who the fuck....) |
| 17:45.22 | rahul | SexyKen: no, I just said that for kicks |
| 17:45.23 | rahul | wtf |
| 17:45.25 | rahul | oh |
| 17:45.35 | SexyKen | :-( |
| 17:45.53 | rahul | debian.org doesn't allow finger? wtf. |
| 17:45.56 | cast | becki: that was on a 100mhz p1 iirc, if your problem is just it wont boot off the cd then maybe investigate fixing that? |
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| 17:46.11 | cast | [i know, a p1 isn't a 386/486] |
| 17:46.12 | rahul | why does debian need to be secretive as to who its members are? |
| 17:46.14 | SexyKen | rahul: Neither does my girlfriend |
| 17:46.33 | SexyKen | Yea cast, a p1 is an 86 |
| 17:46.33 | rahul | SexyKen: no wonder your brain's fried |
| 17:46.33 | JordiGH | rahul: why not? |
| 17:46.44 | rahul | JordiGH: is debian the CIA or something? |
| 17:46.59 | rahul | if someone is known to be a member, their life is in danger? |
| 17:47.19 | jetscreamer | lilo |
| 17:47.27 | cast | before releasing information on a user/member of any organisation wouldn't you have to ask that user/member? |
| 17:47.40 | JordiGH | rahul: What's important is to verify individual's credentials and commitment to the project. That's about it. E.g. if they work for Microsoft, they might not want it to be widely known that they are also contributing to Debian. |
| 17:47.43 | rahul | cast: just name is enough |
| 17:47.59 | JordiGH | I hear it that free software is anathema in Redmond. |
| 17:48.06 | rahul | I hear that my ass is hot |
| 17:48.16 | rahul | it said so on /. |
| 17:48.18 | jetscreamer | microsoft loves debian |
| 17:48.27 | cydork | :) |
| 17:48.40 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Really? I know a friend who wrote the DVD howto while working in Microsoft and got into hot water for that. |
| 17:48.49 | JordiGH | Or some other howto... one sec. |
| 17:48.50 | cast | becki: out of curiosity...why don't you go to the city dump and tradeup the 386? ;) |
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| 17:49.31 | cast | s/have to/should |
| 17:49.35 | becki | it works. my 80386 works well with netbsd, the 80386 of a friend should also run with linux well. |
| 17:49.41 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: It could have been a little hard to spot. After all, Mac does seem to love free software, but won't publicise it. |
| 17:50.02 | JordiGH | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-Playback-HOWTO/index.html |
| 17:50.06 | jetscreamer | microsoft has a linux lab. (seriously) |
| 17:50.07 | cast | becki: well if you can't boot from cd then do a debootstrap install from netbsd |
| 17:50.18 | jetscreamer | but it's not to be nice , imo |
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| 17:50.39 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: And MS has released at least one piece of GPLed software... I can't remember what it is, though. |
| 17:50.58 | becki | first i need a i386 dstribution ;) we install on a new computern and put the hdd into the i386 box |
| 17:50.59 | jetscreamer | they've done some free as in beer stuff |
| 17:51.03 | becki | thats the fastest way |
| 17:51.10 | jetscreamer | but i don't know about any gpl |
| 17:51.25 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: No, there is... hold on. It's a secret to everybody.\ |
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| 17:51.25 | cast | windows has 'unix services' or some such don't they? i wonder if some of that is gpl software |
| 17:51.26 | jetscreamer | i could have missed it in the rush :) |
| 17:51.29 | becki | afk |
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| 17:52.06 | cast | becki: well, like the manual says i386 is supported, [http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s01.html.en#id2516968] |
| 17:52.14 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrr |
| 17:52.16 | grendal_prime | mssql |
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| 17:52.26 | jetscreamer | i like 2005 grendal_prime |
| 17:52.31 | jetscreamer | but i'm wierd |
| 17:52.37 | rahul | better than sybase |
| 17:52.44 | grendal_prime | how does 4100 work out to 12:30? |
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| 17:53.25 | grendal_prime | i need to set up a script that generates a job. i need to figure out how to write 12:30 into the time format that mssql understands |
| 17:53.40 | rahul | you don't store raw times in a database |
| 17:53.45 | JordiGH | KDE 4 is looking nice... :-) |
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| 17:54.00 | rahul | dealing with time of day or whole days in anything is horrendous |
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| 17:54.14 | rahul | you can only deal with single, specific moments in time |
| 17:54.54 | grendal_prime | when i pull up a job that is scheduled to run every hour at..12:41 it works out to...nevermind i figured it out |
| 17:55.26 | rahul | this is why crontab has the format it does |
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| 17:55.38 | JordiGH | Or maybe I'm complete off. I think cast is correct and it's not that MS has released a fully GPLed piece of software, just that that the Unix Services thing includes GPLed code. |
| 17:55.59 | JordiGH | !anacron |
| 17:55.59 | dpkg | it has been said that anacron is a cron-like program that runs jobs that cron would have skipped if the system was shutdown. |
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| 18:13.58 | _presto_ | hi all |
| 18:14.17 | _presto_ | I'm trying to install a Realtek 8029(AS) on my Debian using NE2000 as built-in |
| 18:14.37 | _presto_ | but, when I boot up my box, it returns: "eht0: no device was found" |
| 18:14.40 | _presto_ | any tip?? |
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| 18:15.19 | goodshit | anyone know of a good php ftp script to use? for the webbase?? i want to install a php webftp on the server so they can access that way, cuz they are dumb you know what i mean :0 anyone know of a good one commerical or opensource dont' matter as long as its easy for the end users. thanks.. |
| 18:15.35 | azeem | _presto_: which version of Debian do you use, and which kernel? |
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| 18:15.49 | _presto_ | debian sarge 3.1, kernel 2.6.19.1 |
| 18:15.52 | _presto_ | AZB, |
| 18:15.55 | _presto_ | azeem, |
| 18:16.09 | azeem | a custom-made kernel? |
| 18:17.08 | _presto_ | sorry azeem ?? |
| 18:17.14 | _presto_ | I downloaded the sources |
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| 18:17.20 | azeem | _presto_: from where? |
| 18:17.28 | _presto_ | then compile with kpkg |
| 18:17.30 | _presto_ | kernel.org |
| 18:17.34 | azeem | so a custom-made kernel |
| 18:17.40 | azeem | you probably configued it wrong then |
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| 18:17.50 | azeem | did you try the Debian 2.6 kernel for 3.1? |
| 18:18.00 | _presto_ | where I can found it?? |
| 18:18.01 | _presto_ | apt-get?? |
| 18:18.13 | azeem | yes |
| 18:18.18 | azeem | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:19.12 | _presto_ | tks azeem |
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| 18:20.04 | angler | why does cron not execute the following correctly?: echo 'Subject: blah' | exim blah@domain.com ? |
| 18:20.10 | ehc | how do i install firefox with the tar.gz that i get from there website? |
| 18:20.19 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, it seems jlime is that what i search for... |
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| 18:21.15 | pifpaf_ | hil all |
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| 18:21.41 | _presto_ | sorry azeem... I've downloaded it from apt-get yet |
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| 18:21.49 | _presto_ | nothing kernel.org |
| 18:21.52 | _presto_ | sorry my mistake... |
| 18:21.59 | _presto_ | just try to recompile it? |
| 18:22.06 | JordiGH | No. |
| 18:22.07 | mmlj4 | angler: i'd use a different syntax: mail -s "Subject: blah" them@example.com |
| 18:22.22 | JordiGH | _presto_: With apt-get you get a kernel-image. |
| 18:22.25 | JordiGH | IMAGE. |
| 18:22.30 | JordiGH | That is it, it's a binary. |
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| 18:22.40 | blondie | compiling things is for gentoo :) |
| 18:22.48 | _presto_ | just boot from it?? o.O |
| 18:22.52 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 18:23.04 | _presto_ | blondie, I'm a gentoo user... :P I'm trying to enter in the apt-get world!! ^^ |
| 18:23.31 | blondie | _presto_: good choice |
| 18:23.36 | mmlj4 | apt-get install branes |
| 18:23.36 | Trentster | hey all, how do I get a debian package to reinstall the conf files that came with the package, eg i reinstall snmpd and there still is no /etc/snmp/snmpd.conf file? |
| 18:23.45 | JordiGH | Probably best to get into the aptitude world before it's too late. |
| 18:24.04 | JordiGH | Switching from apt-get to aptitude may be rocky, but it's always been smooth sailing from that point onwards for me. |
| 18:24.26 | _presto_ | tks blondie |
| 18:24.30 | _presto_ | tks JordiGH |
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| 18:24.33 | _presto_ | tks azeem |
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| 18:28.21 | zaphands_ | Helloo again. Does anyone know how to configure the network? |
| 18:28.35 | _presto_ | whats your doubt zaphands_ ? |
| 18:28.53 | JordiGH | !interfaces |
| 18:28.53 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 18:28.56 | blondie | !anyone |
| 18:28.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:29.46 | zaphands_ | JordiGH: Thanks! but wasn't there an ncurses tool? |
| 18:29.57 | pifpaf_ | hi, need some help: doing make menuconfig (linux-source-2.6.18) I can not found vesafb, I look in Device drivers-> Graphics support ---> 'lot of things but not VESA ', do I have todo something before to enable this entry? |
| 18:29.58 | solemnwarning | Is there some program I can use to capture the audio+video from an OpenGL game? |
| 18:30.13 | abrotman | !info istanbul |
| 18:30.20 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 233 kB |
| 18:30.29 | abrotman | and i don't know if that will work for a game or not |
| 18:30.41 | solemnwarning | sid :\ |
| 18:30.43 | _presto_ | !interfaces |
| 18:30.43 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 18:31.00 | solemnwarning | That reminds me, I had a really scary dream last night |
| 18:31.05 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you didn't specigy .. but it is in etch |
| 18:31.14 | JordiGH | !OT |
| 18:31.15 | dpkg | [ot] off topic |
| 18:31.29 | solemnwarning | Etch release got pushed to 2013 :O |
| 18:31.30 | satchmo | !apt |
| 18:31.30 | dpkg | apt is probably Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 18:31.36 | solemnwarning | *2012 |
| 18:31.38 | JordiGH | Unless your dream is somehow about Debian being bought out by Microsoft or something... :-) |
| 18:34.06 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
| 18:34.09 | JordiGH | zaphands_: There's probably a GNOME or a KDE app for configuring stuff about the network. I can't think of an ncurses tool. |
| 18:34.17 | solemnwarning | I wonder how istanbul will react to my machine |
| 18:34.30 | solemnwarning | I play UT2004 on one of my monitors, using xinerama for dual monitors |
| 18:35.07 | pifpaf_ | hi again, need some help: doing make menuconfig (linux-source-2.6.18) I can not found vesafb, I look in Device drivers-> Graphics support ---> 'lot of things but not VESA ', do I have todo something before to enable this entry? |
| 18:35.25 | zaphands_ | Thanks anyone. bye for now. |
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| 18:37.30 | solemnwarning | gah |
| 18:37.42 | solemnwarning | istanbul requires gstreamer 0.10+ |
| 18:37.54 | JordiGH | What was that video capture tool? Not in Debian. Xvidcapture or something like that... |
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| 18:40.13 | sam_uk | jordiGH xvidcap |
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| 18:40.55 | JordiGH | As I recall, xvidcap was ITP or something. I think it was in the works. |
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| 18:41.20 | JordiGH | !info xvidcap |
| 18:41.35 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
| 18:41.43 | solemnwarning | Compile is getting heaps of warnings |
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| 18:41.58 | JordiGH | #289169 |
| 18:42.14 | JordiGH | It's been in the works for two years. :-( |
| 18:42.36 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: Warnings are ok. Someone casting an int to a pointer is naughty, but ok. ;-) |
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| 18:42.59 | solemnwarning | A few warnings is ok |
| 18:43.12 | solemnwarning | Enough warnings to look like you are compiling windows is just lazy |
| 18:44.32 | JordiGH | You've compiled Windows? |
| 18:44.36 | pifpaf_ | no answer, anyway THX |
| 18:44.49 | solemnwarning | No, but I can guess that it has 9999999 warnings per file :P |
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| 18:45.00 | solemnwarning | Or is that a little low? ;) |
| 18:45.28 | JordiGH | Maybe if they compiled it with gcc they would get that many warnings, but I bet their own compiler doesn't care. ;-) |
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| 18:45.46 | solemnwarning | O_O |
| 18:45.56 | solemnwarning | All those warnings were from CONFIGURE |
| 18:46.08 | solemnwarning | ok, configure ran make |
| 18:46.16 | JordiGH | ? |
| 18:46.21 | sam_uk | Anyone know how to fix a gnome network monitoring applet that shows no network connection- even when there is one? |
| 18:46.21 | JordiGH | That's rather odd.... |
| 18:46.23 | solemnwarning | It runs! |
| 18:46.30 | JordiGH | w00t |
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| 18:47.08 | solemnwarning | And crashes |
| 18:47.12 | solemnwarning | ..yay |
| 18:48.12 | rororo | how i change the int.d files to stop apache and sql from starting up? |
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| 18:48.47 | solemnwarning | rororo: rm -v /etc/rc*.d/S*{apache{,2},mysqld} |
| 18:48.49 | sam_uk | solewarning with this repo deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main i just did apt-get install xvidcap... |
| 18:48.55 | cydork | rororo: Or use rcconf |
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| 18:49.17 | JordiGH | sam_uk: Oh, that's interesting. Is xvidcap patent-encumbered? |
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| 18:49.49 | sam_uk | ffmpeg support i think? not sure? |
| 18:50.24 | JordiGH | ffmpeg is in Debian. |
| 18:50.38 | sam_uk | dunno then |
| 18:50.50 | JordiGH | maybe we can ask Marillat (who according to a thread in the Italian mailing lists should be hung by the balls) to put xvidcap in Debian. |
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| 18:51.50 | tarzeau | xvidcap was in new queue |
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| 18:54.03 | grendal_prime | what does it mean when aptitude...just hangs there...trying to dowload? |
| 18:54.29 | blondie | network connection being slow? server being slow? |
| 18:54.48 | grendal_prime | it can get package info from the repos, but i try and install a particular file..(kompare to be exact) it just hangs there. |
| 18:55.09 | grendal_prime | i have a couple diff repos.. |
| 18:55.12 | samuel | how can I tell from /proc/bus/input/devices what device is the mouse? the mouse and keyboard both say "Apple Computer Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad" |
| 18:55.16 | grendal_prime | oregon start being one of them |
| 18:55.23 | grendal_prime | state that is |
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| 18:55.54 | mcgreg | is 2.6.19 expected to be soon in unstable? |
| 18:55.58 | samuel | also is there a way to know what order different kernel modules are loaded in? |
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| 18:57.02 | tabris|away | they're loaded in the order they're in /proc/modules |
| 18:57.06 | tabris|away | top is most recent |
| 18:57.19 | samuel | tabris|away: thx |
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| 18:57.52 | JordiGH | grendal_prime: That's odd. Can you install with apt-get? |
| 18:57.59 | shao_lap | ok, i dont know what I did but if I press and hold any key on the keyboard it only "works" one time. for deleting a word with backspace for example, I have to press it several times |
| 18:58.04 | shao_lap | how to change that back? |
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| 18:58.26 | ice63 | how can i get epiphany-browser to use mozilla-mplayer plugin for mplayer ? |
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| 18:59.01 | JordiGH | shao_lap: In KDE? I think it's a sticky-key thing. Accessibility options somewhere. GNOME must have a similar thing. |
| 18:59.07 | shao_lap | hm |
| 18:59.12 | shao_lap | i'm in enlightenment |
| 18:59.17 | shao_lap | no gnome, no kde |
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| 18:59.32 | shao_lap | but i logged onto gnome today...but only for 5 minutes or so |
| 18:59.47 | JordiGH | Then maybe it's an X setting that I only know how to set with GNOME and KDE configuration tools. :-/ |
| 19:00.10 | shao_lap | well, gonna log onto gnome agian and see if i cna find the option |
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| 19:01.14 | samuel | tabris|away: so let me get this right... the one that cat /proc/modules prints out closest to the bottom of the terminal is the first loaded? (sorry im abit dixlexic) |
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| 19:01.29 | grendal_prime | nevermind...patients paid off |
| 19:01.38 | grendal_prime | just never had aptitude act like that |
| 19:01.46 | sam_uk | anyone know where network monitoring info comes from? ie why my network monitor applet incorrectly reports a lack of connectivity (gnome)? |
| 19:01.53 | tabris|away | samuel: yes. |
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| 19:02.00 | samuel | thx |
| 19:02.02 | haldrik | I want install Debian on a Xeon Dual Core 64bits, wich of this images I must select http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
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| 19:02.19 | rororo | solemnwarning: done hope wont start next time (the request didint work but didi manually) |
| 19:02.21 | haldrik | *witch |
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| 19:02.41 | shao_lap | its *which |
| 19:02.45 | shao_lap | sorry, english teacher :D |
| 19:03.18 | haldrik | jeje shao_lap yes |
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| 19:03.27 | hark | *it's |
| 19:03.36 | shao_lap | hehe |
| 19:03.36 | blackelf | I think debian should include new kernels quicker |
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| 19:03.39 | solemnwarning | argh |
| 19:03.41 | haldrik | I want install Debian on a Xeon Dual Core 64bits, which of this images I must select http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 19:03.45 | solemnwarning | Does nothing ever build? >:( |
| 19:03.55 | blackelf | I have one laptop and one box (amd64) that MUST use 2.6.19 to operate normally |
| 19:04.11 | JordiGH | !shoot configure |
| 19:04.18 | solemnwarning | yay |
| 19:04.19 | rororo | thx a lot cu all |
| 19:04.31 | solemnwarning | Now I just need to try and work out why bugle won't build :| |
| 19:04.47 | blackelf | !gentosmite solemnwarning |
| 19:04.48 | solemnwarning | configure said I had everything |
| 19:05.07 | blackelf | !gentoosmite solemnwarning |
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| 19:06.00 | blackelf | solemnwarning: why that choice of.. weapon |
| 19:06.18 | solemnwarning | Bloated, so it's heavy :P |
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| 19:06.52 | haldrik | blackelf: but in need select any of these images |
| 19:07.06 | blackelf | haldrik: ? |
| 19:07.11 | Flimzy | How long will 3.1 continue to receive security updates after 4.0 becomes stable? |
| 19:07.12 | haldrik | I want install Debian on a Xeon Dual Core 64bits, which of this images I must select http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 19:07.32 | solemnwarning | haldrik: i386 |
| 19:07.36 | Flimzy | haldrik: amd64 |
| 19:07.39 | blackelf | solemnwarning: wtf? |
| 19:07.46 | solemnwarning | 64-bit builds suck |
| 19:07.47 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: I think you're on crack |
| 19:07.56 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: Now I know you're on crack. |
| 19:08.02 | haldrik | solemnwarning: Flimzy on a Xeon dual core 64 bits? |
| 19:08.03 | solemnwarning | I have an Athlon X2 4200+ |
| 19:08.07 | Flimzy | haldrik: Yes. |
| 19:08.12 | solemnwarning | I'm running sarge i386! :D |
| 19:08.19 | Flimzy | haldrik: Intel licensed AMD's 64-bit arch from them. |
| 19:08.19 | haldrik | ok |
| 19:08.21 | blackelf | no wait, solemnwarning is right, the debian 64 is quiet unusable for now |
| 19:08.27 | Flimzy | haldrik: (after Debian called it amd64) |
| 19:08.51 | Flimzy | I've been using amd64 on my home machine (on an AMD chip) for over a year |
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| 19:09.03 | Flimzy | and we're deploying amd64 on a quad Xeon in production at work |
| 19:09.16 | Flimzy | blackelf: unstable how? |
| 19:09.28 | cureless | I use amd64 just fine. Some people have issues with apic, but that's about it |
| 19:09.35 | landexem | Why can Debian distribute VLC in its repositories when the libdvdcss code is in that software project? I use a USA Debian mirror and it can play DVDs... what about the DMCA? |
| 19:09.44 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: How many people play win32 videos on a quad Xeon? |
| 19:09.45 | blackelf | Flimzy: fails to use DMA on hdds, fails to boot |
| 19:10.05 | Flimzy | solemnwarning: I use 32-bit binaries on my amd64 install all the damn time |
| 19:10.28 | Flimzy | blackelf: Sounds like a kernel issue that would be easily fixed by installing a working kernel... no? |
| 19:10.53 | blackelf | Flimzy: self builded kernel? I failed to start any network card for one |
| 19:11.07 | Flimzy | blackelf: I don't understand your question. |
| 19:11.09 | minerale | I'm looking for a package: jetty (http://packages.debian.org/unstable/web/jetty) I have added the backports but yet I can't see jetty when I do apt-cache search |
| 19:11.16 | Flimzy | blackelf: I've used custom amd64 kernels for over a year without any problems like you describe. |
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| 19:11.29 | Flimzy | blackelf: But even if I had that problem, I could revert to a working kernel. |
| 19:11.34 | defcon8 | I have found a turkish tranlation error on one of the debian pages. Who should I contact? |
| 19:11.36 | cureless | Flimzy: I use the normal kernels with no problems too |
| 19:11.37 | blackelf | Flimzy: perhaps its my new mobo |
| 19:11.43 | Flimzy | blackelf: Very likely. |
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| 19:11.54 | Flimzy | blackelf: I can easily see DMA issues on a new/unsupported/untested chipset. |
| 19:12.04 | cureless | For the DMA, are you using SATA? |
| 19:12.06 | Flimzy | blackelf: But that's definately *not* Debian's fault. |
| 19:12.06 | blackelf | Flimzy: how to help with it |
| 19:12.13 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:12.27 | Mazingaro | please I could not run iceape: Starting calendar alarm service |
| 19:12.27 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars -- probably already exists |
| 19:12.27 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars_prefs -- probably already exists |
| 19:12.27 | Mazingaro | observer added |
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| 19:12.38 | Mazingaro | sorry! |
| 19:12.41 | dkr | defcon8: checkout bugs.debian.org, I'm not sure if you submit the bug to the package it is for or to a special palce for translations |
| 19:12.47 | blackelf | Flimzy: I belive debian should include the newest kernel available as kernel-i386-experimental |
| 19:12.55 | Flimzy | blackelf: Make sure you have the correct IDE/SATA chipset installed... You might try the other IDE driver, too, if you're using 2.6.19. If you're using libsata now, try the old method. If the old, try libsata |
| 19:13.08 | blackelf | Flimzy: how to install chipset? |
| 19:13.09 | solemnwarning | blackelf: Just compile a kernel |
| 19:13.17 | solemnwarning | I have a custom kernel |
| 19:13.19 | blackelf | solemnwarning: yeah I will try |
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| 19:13.24 | Flimzy | blackelf: Regardless of how you think Debian's kernel policy should be handled, if the kernel does not support your chipset, it's still not Debian's fault. |
| 19:13.29 | Flimzy | blackelf: find out what chipset you have. |
| 19:13.29 | defcon8 | dkr, thanks |
| 19:13.31 | minerale | what does it mean when it takes a very long time to perform a apt-cache search ? |
| 19:13.32 | solemnwarning | And stable is frozen after release anyway, new kernel won't be going in |
| 19:13.43 | JordiGH | 107 RC bugs! |
| 19:13.50 | blackelf | Flimzy: for example a laptop's audio work only on 2.6.19.1 which is not in debian |
| 19:13.54 | Flimzy | minerale: Probably that you're low on memory and/or have a very slow CPU |
| 19:14.02 | Flimzy | blackelf: So use 2.6.19.1 then. |
| 19:14.13 | Flimzy | blackelf: I almost never use official Debian kernels, anyway. |
| 19:14.37 | blackelf | Flimzy: why not add thoes to debian to make installing them easier |
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| 19:14.49 | Flimzy | blackelf: They will be added. |
| 19:14.56 | Flimzy | blackelf: but it takes time for testing to be complete. |
| 19:15.09 | Flimzy | blackelf: And now that etch is frozen, no new software will be added to it. |
| 19:15.17 | Flimzy | blackelf: But compiling a custom kernel is trivial anyway. |
| 19:15.24 | blackelf | for newbie? |
| 19:15.31 | minerale | flimzy: how can I look at the iowait -- the average time for io requests |
| 19:15.35 | Flimzy | Well I haven't been a newbie since about 1996 |
| 19:15.39 | Flimzy | But I compiled my own kernel then |
| 19:15.44 | Flimzy | and it was much harder at that time. |
| 19:15.53 | Flimzy | minerale: vmstat maybe? I dunno. |
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| 19:19.36 | User664 | hi |
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| 19:20.16 | User664 | please help me to install a graphical web browser for xfce |
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| 19:20.27 | Flimzy | User664: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 19:21.09 | Longkong | hi :) |
| 19:21.11 | JordiGH | User664: aptitude install epiphany |
| 19:21.18 | cureless | Flimzy: you were a newbie in 1996... I could smell you a mile away :-) |
| 19:21.33 | User664 | how do i put the link between xfce and mozilla? |
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| 19:21.44 | JordiGH | User664: apt takes care of that. |
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| 19:21.53 | Flimzy | cureless: ? |
| 19:21.59 | User664 | so it installs the icons automatically? |
| 19:22.10 | cureless | Flimzy: it was a joke of you not being a newbie, nvm |
| 19:22.13 | JordiGH | User664: Yes. But it'll install the "community" icons. |
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| 19:22.13 | Flimzy | User664: I have no idea. That's entirely dependant on xfce. |
| 19:22.18 | Flimzy | cureless: ah |
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| 19:22.37 | JordiGH | User664: That is, no fox humping the Earth. Just a nice, clean, PG-13, unhumped Earth. |
| 19:23.02 | User664 | i do not see any icon |
| 19:23.12 | JordiGH | User664: In the Xfce menu? |
| 19:23.15 | cureless | minerale: install systat, that comes with iostat |
| 19:23.26 | cureless | minerale: I mean, sysstat |
| 19:23.27 | User664 | yes, i want to have an icon in the xfce menu |
| 19:23.47 | JordiGH | User664: It should be there. If not under Internet or whatever, then under Debian/internet |
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| 19:24.34 | JordiGH | Also.... |
| 19:24.36 | User664 | there is nothing |
| 19:24.48 | JordiGH | !tell Flimzy about iceweasel |
| 19:25.11 | User664 | only the pre-installed nautilus and konqueror |
| 19:25.27 | JordiGH | User664: And is Firefox installed? |
| 19:25.34 | Flimzy | JordiGH: Is that supposed to interest me? |
| 19:25.36 | blackelf | whats the deal with iceweasel, they do not agree about some logo changes and therefore make a fork O_o ? |
| 19:25.47 | User664 | ah .. i see, it's in the context menu |
| 19:25.52 | JordiGH | Flimzy: Well, you told them to install Firefox, which will soon be phased out from Debian. |
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| 19:26.09 | JordiGH | !tell blackelf about why iceweasel |
| 19:26.15 | landexem | Anybody know of a place with precompiled non-SVN Beryl 0.1.4 .debs? |
| 19:26.22 | User664 | if i press the right mouse button on the desktop, mozilla appears but without any icon ... |
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| 19:26.51 | JordiGH | User664: Did you install the Mozilla suite or the Firefox browser? |
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| 19:27.20 | User664 | i used apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 19:28.00 | User664 | mozilla suite should include thunderbird etc., shouldn't it`? |
| 19:28.01 | JordiGH | No icon? Not even the unhumped earth? That's a new one to me. |
| 19:28.02 | obstfliege | nabend |
| 19:28.02 | HardDisk_WP | How do I fix partition taable errors?? |
| 19:28.15 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: what did you do? |
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| 19:28.23 | User664 | perhaps i restart it |
| 19:28.35 | JordiGH | No, Mozilla used to be a single huge thing that you had to install all together. Thunderbird is different from the Mozilla mail client (but derived from it). |
| 19:28.52 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, adding a ext2 partiton and a fat32 on compact flash card |
| 19:29.13 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: how did you add them and what is the error? |
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| 19:29.24 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, error is http://channels.debian.net/paste/5019 |
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| 19:29.54 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, i added them w/ parted and mkpartfs |
| 19:30.21 | User664 | jordigh: the earth is now assigned to mozilla |
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| 19:30.25 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: do they have any data in them? |
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| 19:30.32 | JordiGH | w00t |
| 19:30.37 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, a bit but i have backup |
| 19:30.42 | User664 | but it used to be assigned to a different piece of software before |
| 19:30.45 | JordiGH | Can't wait for the weasel-humped Earth. |
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| 19:30.53 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: easiest thing is to delete them and recreate them, use fdisk |
| 19:31.01 | User664 | i.e. after installation of debian |
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| 19:31.14 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: also, what do you use the fat partition for? |
| 19:31.29 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: if you share stuff with windows I would suggest putting it at the beginning. |
| 19:31.43 | User664 | thanks a lot, have a nice day |
| 19:31.54 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, i use it on a 620lx pda from hp to get linux on it |
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| 19:32.02 | HardDisk_WP | i need the linux part as first |
| 19:32.11 | HardDisk_WP | it's a 128mb card |
| 19:32.24 | HardDisk_WP | i need 32 mb for Fat32 and remaining for ext2 |
| 19:32.37 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: what do you use the fat for then? |
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| 19:33.08 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, Windows CE (from which the bootloader runs) only knows Fat |
| 19:33.21 | HardDisk_WP | i need the partition only once to get bootloader |
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| 19:33.34 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: what bootloader are you using? |
| 19:33.45 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, some JLime stuff |
| 19:33.52 | HardDisk_WP | wait, I try something |
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| 19:34.06 | MTecknology | I'm trying to use Komatsu Airprojector software in Linux. I can find the windows version of the client software, but not a Linux version. I was wondering if anybody knows of a Linux version or can tell me how to use a network connection through wine |
| 19:34.30 | cureless | HardDisk_WP: anyway, if you repartition you should be ok partition wise. |
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| 19:35.42 | kombi_ | trying to compile a module for apache2, file build/special.mk is missing, is that in apache2-dev maybe? |
| 19:36.17 | lindenle | Ok so I want to buy a web cam what works ? |
| 19:36.26 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, ok |
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| 19:36.49 | cast | lindenle: certainly advisable over buying a webcam that doesn't work, yes |
| 19:38.37 | lindenle | cast: Sorry "I want to buy a web cam. What works for other people in debian?" |
| 19:38.40 | HardDisk_WP | cureless, hmm...how do I format the whole thing (/dev/sda) to one big fat ext2? |
| 19:38.42 | lindenle | ^^^ |
| 19:38.57 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: mkfs.vfat <devic> |
| 19:39.05 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: erm. mkfs.ext2 |
| 19:39.17 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: saw "fat" and thought you meant MS DOS format. |
| 19:39.43 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
| 19:39.43 | HardDisk_WP | done |
| 19:39.46 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 19:39.47 | lindenle | !tell me about web cam |
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| 19:39.57 | karsten | lindenle: /msg bots please |
| 19:40.02 | tralala | lindenle, /msg dpkg selftell |
| 19:40.06 | lindenle | **blushes |
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| 19:40.45 | nvz | lindenle: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 19:41.17 | ikonia | solemnwarning: dan - don't you come in the LFS channel a bit |
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| 19:42.54 | zinx | !ops eDitor!n=alendelo@85.106.175.224 <- free porno video guy |
| 19:42.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: eDitor!n=alendelo@85.106.175.224 <- free porno video guy |
| 19:42.59 | solemnwarning | ikonia: Huh? |
| 19:43.11 | ikonia | solemnwarning: didn't you use to visit the lfs channel a bit |
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| 19:43.40 | ikonia | solemnwarning: or maybe cross-lfs |
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| 19:44.01 | CharminTheMoose | ;) |
| 19:44.03 | puff | Evening, anybody know how easy/graceful it is to downgrade mysql from 5 to 4 without losing the databases? |
| 19:44.03 | CharminTheMoose | i kid |
| 19:44.14 | solemnwarning | I used to use LFS on one of my machines |
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| 19:44.30 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Don't talk about kids and porno in the same breath. |
| 19:44.34 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... or sheep |
| 19:44.37 | nvz | heh |
| 19:44.40 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... or moose. |
| 19:44.45 | ikonia | solemnwarning: ahh right, I knew I'd seen you before |
| 19:44.49 | CharminTheMoose | karsten: or mooses |
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| 19:44.54 | CharminTheMoose | it's the plural |
| 19:44.55 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 19:45.03 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: The plural of moose is ... |
| 19:45.09 | Mazingaro | please help me with iceape on unstable: segmentation faults on load |
| 19:45.09 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... mice! |
| 19:45.16 | CharminTheMoose | what? |
| 19:45.18 | abrotman | Mazingaro: BTS ? |
| 19:45.22 | karsten | Mazingaro: iceape? |
| 19:45.27 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: It only gets worse. |
| 19:45.33 | CharminTheMoose | oh god noes! |
| 19:45.35 | solemnwarning | I wonder if my nightmare will come true :\ |
| 19:45.44 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... particularly when there are terns around. |
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| 19:46.04 | RvGaTe | any good ftp apps for debian etch? (im looking for something like flashfxp on windows...) |
| 19:46.20 | CharminTheMoose | filerunner is rather good i find |
| 19:46.21 | Mazingaro | karsten: yes, iceape segmentations faults on load |
| 19:46.24 | ikonia | solemnwarning: what nightmare ? |
| 19:46.33 | Mazingaro | $ iceape |
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| 19:46.35 | solemnwarning | Etch being pushed back to 2012 |
| 19:46.44 | Mazingaro | karsten: $ iceape |
| 19:46.53 | solemnwarning | It was supposed to release at dec 2006 :| |
| 19:46.56 | cast | RvGaTe: lftp and ncftp are both very good ftp clients, but i don't know what flashfxp is [gftp works, if you're into gui things] |
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| 19:46.56 | karsten | Mazingaro: strace is your friend. |
| 19:46.57 | Mazingaro | karsten: segmentation faults |
| 19:47.36 | karsten | Mazingaro: run strace. capture output. Post to a pastebin. Ask somebody else for help (I'm busy). strace iceape > /tmp/iceape.strace 2>&1 |
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| 19:47.52 | Mazingaro | karsten: ok, I'm on my way |
| 19:47.58 | RvGaTe | cast, http://www.nexcess.net/hosting/support/tutorials/ftp/ffxp9.gif <-- flashfxp has the ability to have 2 server views and do an fxp transfer |
| 19:48.08 | ilyak | Where are wine's d3d8.dll.so and ddraw.dll.so in testing? |
| 19:48.15 | ilyak | Looks like there aren't :( |
| 19:48.57 | Mazingaro | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5021 |
| 19:49.02 | karsten | !tell ilyak about search |
| 19:49.11 | karsten | Mazingaro: Ask someone else / ask channel. |
| 19:49.45 | cast | RvGaTe: i think lftp supports that, never used that particular feature before |
| 19:49.58 | ilyak | Oh, now it's called libwine-gl |
| 19:50.11 | ilyak | I wonder, why don-t apt-get install wine install that? |
| 19:50.16 | karsten | Mazingaro: Looks like possible bad RAM. |
| 19:50.34 | karsten | ilyak: check wine deps. If it should, file a bug. |
| 19:50.43 | cast | 'You can mirror between two servers if you specify URLs instead of directories. FXP is used automatically for transfers between ftp servers, if possible.' |
| 19:50.59 | karsten | ilyak: It's possible that it's recommended, not required. Or that the dlls aren't part of WINE's current port list. |
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| 19:51.09 | karsten | ilyak: Um. Nevermind last. |
| 19:51.15 | ilyak | karsten: oh yeas, recommendation |
| 19:51.23 | Mazingaro | karsten: I ran memtest++ |
| 19:51.27 | Mazingaro | karsten: I ran memtest86++ |
| 19:51.29 | ilyak | They suck because you can't watch them anyway |
| 19:51.35 | CharminTheMoose | i'm getting an error in bittorrent it says 'Problem connecting to tracker > -urlopen ( -3 temporary failure in name resolution)' anyone know what this means? |
| 19:51.44 | abrotman | your dns is borked ? |
| 19:52.09 | CharminTheMoose | if my dns was borked i wouldn't be here right now |
| 19:52.10 | karsten | Mazingaro: I'd recommended looped high-J kernel compiles: while :; do make clean; make -j 32 bzImage; done |
| 19:52.17 | karsten | Mazingaro: ... in your kernel tree. Run overnight. |
| 19:52.48 | Mazingaro | karsten: I got problem with prelink, but now it works great |
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| 19:53.48 | vanisher | i want to install debian as dualboot on my laptop, how can i easily shrink my current winxp partition? |
| 19:53.50 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: just because it worked when you came here doesn't mean it's working now |
| 19:54.16 | CharminTheMoose | aye,thou art correct |
| 19:54.31 | sam_uk | vanisher put in a live cd and run qtparted |
| 19:54.33 | karsten | Mazingaro: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2006-December/002662.html |
| 19:54.55 | vanisher | sam_uk: is that without risk of loosing data on my xp part? |
| 19:54.59 | karsten | Mazingaro: ... for a story involving _two_ bad RAM sticks (of four total) in a server. I was somewhat involved in the project. |
| 19:55.38 | sam_uk | not entirely, i have done maybe 6 without problem,; back up your data first anyway |
| 19:55.52 | sam_uk | it's good to have backups.... |
| 19:56.10 | karsten | Mazingaro: Followup here: http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2006-December/002668.html |
| 19:56.21 | karsten | sam_uk: It's better to have recent backups. |
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| 19:56.34 | karsten | sam_uk: .... better still, _restoreable_ (read: tested) recent backups. |
| 19:56.58 | sam_uk | ;) |
| 19:56.58 | karsten | sam_uk: .... and best of all: of data you need backed up (as opposed to the other sort, or omitting data of the first reference). |
| 19:56.59 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman: could be that i've borked my resolv.conf file? |
| 19:57.34 | vanisher | luckely i can backup everything on an external usb disk |
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| 19:59.20 | Mazingaro | karsten: I've removed ~/.mozilla/default/to8cgk34.slt |
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| 19:59.29 | Mazingaro | karsten: but won't start |
| 19:59.35 | Mazingaro | karsten: it seems freezed |
| 19:59.48 | vanisher | which version can i install best on a laptop with wireless? |
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| 20:02.35 | karsten | Mazingaro: iceape issues? |
| 20:02.48 | karsten | Mazingaro: Try renaming your entire profile or mozilla directory tree. |
| 20:03.03 | Mazingaro | karsten: let's see |
| 20:03.47 | Mazingaro | karsten: segmentation fault |
| 20:04.11 | karsten | Mazingaro: My usual method for troubleshooting Mozilla-type config file issues (and there are relatively many of these) is to move roughly half the files, see if the problem persists, then the other half, and od a binary bifurcation to identify which file(s) are the culprits. |
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| 20:04.19 | karsten | Mazingaro: I really can't walk you through that ATM though. |
| 20:05.22 | Mazingaro | ok, thanks |
| 20:05.36 | Mazingaro | it seems it hangs on gettimeoftheday() routine |
| 20:05.45 | heapme | whats the name of the distro of debian that uses the netbsd kernel? |
| 20:06.05 | karsten | Mazingaro: Hangs or repeats on? |
| 20:06.18 | Mazingaro | strace iceape |
| 20:06.37 | karsten | Mazingaro: That's usually an inidication of a loop timer iterating frequently. The problem isn't the timer, it's the loop termination condition test. |
| 20:06.52 | karsten | heapme: debian/bsd |
| 20:07.04 | Mazingaro | read(4, 0xbf8d29f3, 1) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 20:07.04 | Mazingaro | ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [0]) = 0 |
| 20:07.04 | Mazingaro | poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}, {fd=9, events=POLLIN}, {fd=13, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=16, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=17, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=18, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN}], 7, -1) = 1 |
| 20:07.04 | Mazingaro | ioctl(3, FIONREAD, [32]) = 0 |
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| 20:07.05 | karsten | heapme: ... or netbsd. |
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| 20:07.17 | Mazingaro | sorry |
| 20:07.21 | karsten | !tell tell Mazingaro about flood |
| 20:07.24 | karsten | !tell Mazingaro about paste |
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| 20:07.38 | Mazingaro | ok ok |
| 20:07.40 | Mazingaro | sorry |
| 20:07.44 | karsten | Mazingaro: I'd suspect it's that read. |
| 20:07.54 | karsten | Mazingaro: ... which if I'm reading it right is coming from memory. |
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| 20:08.52 | Mazingaro | mmmh maybe I got 133 MHz ram |
| 20:09.01 | Mazingaro | and it's only 100 MHz |
| 20:09.28 | Mazingaro | let's try reconfigure it |
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| 20:10.20 | karsten | ... which is suspiciously close to a kernel limit. |
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| 20:10.50 | karsten | From bc: ibase=16; BF8D29F3; 3213699571 |
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| 20:14.06 | Zvpun | does debian use pax or something else to randomize stack address? |
| 20:14.20 | azeem | Zvpun: I don't think so |
| 20:14.38 | Zvpun | because I read that environment variables address in memory are below 0xbffffffa, is this information outdated? |
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| 20:14.51 | kyle_ | how long does a freeze usually last? |
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| 20:15.05 | karsten | kyle_: Until release |
| 20:15.07 | atSquiGgs | hey guys |
| 20:15.11 | karsten | kyle_: ... or escape. |
| 20:15.16 | atSquiGgs | what do you guys use for QOS? |
| 20:15.31 | karsten | atSquiGgs: Define |
| 20:15.56 | azeem | Zvpun: why do you need to know? |
| 20:16.06 | kyle_ | karsten: oh... I mean, is it a long phase that Etch still has to go through? (will it be a month before it is stable?) |
| 20:16.07 | atSquiGgs | traffic shaping or prioritizing traffic |
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| 20:16.17 | azeem | kyle_: unkonwn |
| 20:16.28 | kyle_ | ah ok |
| 20:16.30 | karsten | kyle_: You can review the historical freeze announcements and release dates and tell us what you find. |
| 20:16.33 | atSquiGgs | like VOIP traffic on a network, that gets top priority |
| 20:16.37 | karsten | kyle_: That's public, archived informmation. |
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| 20:16.59 | kyle_ | ok |
| 20:17.00 | karsten | atSquiGgs: It's not a commonly used feature. iptables has tools for same. |
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| 20:17.23 | Mazingaro | karsten: now the bus works at 100MHz |
| 20:17.28 | atSquiGgs | iptables can prioritize traffic? |
| 20:17.36 | Mazingaro | karsten: but iceape won't load |
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| 20:17.45 | blondie | IP isn't designed for streaming audio (VOIP) |
| 20:17.49 | blondie | or video |
| 20:17.59 | sam_uk | i have firefox installed on a 32bit chroot, if i look at "about:plugins" it shows loads of them, however none of them actually work.. |
| 20:18.03 | tralala | blondie, wrong |
| 20:18.15 | blondie | not wrong. |
| 20:19.03 | blondie | it's not required for protocols that require constant high speed connections |
| 20:19.07 | atSquiGgs | it doesn't matter if it was desiged for it or not! people are using it and the will continue to do so |
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| 20:19.35 | blondie | it's designed to prevent errors, not slowness |
| 20:19.39 | atSquiGgs | I know people say that prioritizing voip traffic helps |
| 20:19.57 | karsten | Does Debian have any info regarding updated US timezones? |
| 20:20.19 | blondie | updated? they changed them? |
| 20:20.23 | solemnwarning | VOIP is bad |
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| 20:20.36 | cwheeler | daylight saving time changed i believe |
| 20:20.39 | solemnwarning | Why not use that new fangled phone thingey you have? |
| 20:20.54 | karsten | cwheeler: It changes in the US 26 March 2007 |
| 20:21.28 | cwheeler | it used to change in May correct? |
| 20:21.29 | atSquiGgs | why is voip bad? |
| 20:21.41 | Zvpun | azeem: I'm reading on buffer overflows |
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| 20:23.06 | Mazingaro | karsten: but it is strange |
| 20:23.33 | Mazingaro | karsten: it is polling on ioctl |
| 20:23.36 | karsten | atSquiGgs: http://www.lugod.org/meeting/past/2004.03.15.php was a relatively good presentation on the topic. |
| 20:23.46 | scyrma | I can't update iceape-browser because "/usr/lib/iceape/defaults also belongs to mozilla-imagezoom" .. but I can't remove mozilla-imagezoom because I've got a broken package (iceape-browser) .. any easy way out ? |
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| 20:24.07 | karsten | traffic shaping notes for anyone interested: http://www.lugod.org/presentations/trafficshaping/ |
| 20:24.15 | kombi_ | how do you make header files see each other? |
| 20:24.25 | karsten | kombi_: paint eyes on them. |
| 20:25.17 | kombi_ | karsten: lol, not quite what I had in mind.. |
| 20:26.02 | karsten | kombi_: Define "see" |
| 20:26.02 | kombi_ | header file says #include "foo" but foo is not found.. |
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| 20:26.04 | karsten | kombi_: In general #INCLUDE directives in your source. |
| 20:26.11 | karsten | kombi_: Define your search path then. |
| 20:26.30 | kombi_ | that would be in the .c file? |
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| 20:27.15 | karsten | kombi_: I'm not really a coder, but there are several lib path variables (read the gcc docs) and you can also explicitly define paths. Or modify your makefile appropriately. |
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| 20:27.34 | kombi_ | karsten: ok.. |
| 20:28.25 | karsten | kombi_: from man gcc: gcc -print-search-dirs: Print the name of the configured installation directory and a list of program and library directories gcc will search---and don't do anything else. |
| 20:28.54 | kombi_ | kewl! I try that next.. |
| 20:29.18 | karsten | kombi_: or define $LIBRARY_PATH |
| 20:29.44 | karsten | Also GCC_EXEC_PREFIX C_INCLUDE_PATH, and others. |
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| 20:30.02 | karsten | kombi_: Typically defined in your Makefile. |
| 20:30.13 | kombi_ | vi is on it.. |
| 20:30.23 | jelly | karsten: Hey, nice idea about binary searching the config files! |
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| 20:31.44 | PeNNiSmEn | mm some have problems with Mysql in debian sarge |
| 20:32.00 | PeNNiSmEn | m i can╢t upgrade my sistem |
| 20:32.01 | PeNNiSmEn | system |
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| 20:34.48 | landexem | beryl |
| 20:34.50 | PeNNiSmEn | please |
| 20:34.53 | PeNNiSmEn | help |
| 20:35.22 | karsten | jelly: That's a *very* common debug technique. |
| 20:35.37 | karsten | jelly: See if the problem's in one half of whatever it is you have, or the other. |
| 20:36.14 | karsten | jelly: ... then divide and conquor. If it's not in either, then it's an interaction. If you can't cut whatever you've got in half ... well, that's a problem. You should design such that you can. |
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| 20:37.43 | taylorjonl | Will packages from ubuntu work on debian? |
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| 20:39.20 | rahul | taylorjonl: not reliably |
| 20:39.31 | rahul | taylorjonl: it's not supported |
| 20:39.53 | taylorjonl | figured it wasn't but Debian doesn't have Xgl support nor does it have Beryl support |
| 20:40.06 | taylorjonl | but I am hating ubuntu |
| 20:40.16 | tralala | taylorjonl, generally if you install packages from other distributions and ask here for support you will be asked to reinstall debian before you get any |
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| 20:40.35 | karsten | taylorjonl: No |
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| 20:41.17 | taylorjonl | Ya, I may just compile it from scratch |
| 20:41.22 | karsten | taylorjonl: What Debian release are you looking at? |
| 20:41.43 | taylorjonl | Well, I had Etch installed, but couldn't get Xgl to work |
| 20:41.49 | karsten | taylorjonl: May be something in or for unstable/experimental, or third-party archives. Google term+debian for hits. |
| 20:42.28 | taylorjonl | I will figure it out, just wanted to check if there was an easy way by using ubuntu packages. |
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| 20:43.59 | Zvpun | I read that environment variables address in memory are below 0xbffffffa, is this information outdated? |
| 20:44.02 | karsten | taylorjonl: Not reliably, as given. Different distro, different stuff, may break. |
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| 20:44.14 | karsten | Zvpun: Read where? |
| 20:44.24 | CHodapp | Anyone have suggestions for reducing the size of a PDF? It's just one page of text but it's like 500K. |
| 20:44.24 | Zvpun | karsten: book on buffer overflow why? |
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| 20:44.36 | CHodapp | same basic size from Abiword and Openoffice |
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| 20:45.19 | cast | CHodapp: its *just* text? no images? thats weird |
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| 20:45.24 | CHodapp | cast: yes |
| 20:45.29 | Zvpun | karsten: ping |
| 20:45.44 | k31th | Guys this sounds obvious but how do you guys go about changing the host name of a linux box? |
| 20:45.47 | cast | CHodapp: i don't use oo/o pr abiword, but i'd be surprised if latex generated such a giant pdf |
| 20:45.50 | k31th | of a debian box* |
| 20:45.51 | SeanTater | I'm trying to compile supertux but it says it needs the opengl libraries, I have libgl1-mesa-* installed, anything else I should install? |
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| 20:45.57 | k31th | change it then reboot ? |
| 20:45.58 | cast | k31th: /etc/hostname |
| 20:46.02 | jelly | taylorjonl: you might or might not have luck "backporting" ubuntu sources to debian, but using ready binary packages is a bad idea. |
| 20:46.05 | CHodapp | cast: that's because LaTeX doesn't suck quite as hard... |
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| 20:46.18 | cast | lol. |
| 20:46.20 | tralala | k31th, change and reboot is what you do on windows, not on debian |
| 20:46.27 | k31th | lol. |
| 20:46.30 | taylorjonl | jelly: I think I can get it working by compiling from the various sources |
| 20:46.31 | k31th | so wat? |
| 20:46.35 | Zvpun | karsten: thanks for your extremly helpful answer |
| 20:46.36 | k31th | restart networking? |
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| 20:46.56 | taylorjonl | I think my problem was that Xgl and Beryl really don't have a lot of good instructions since they are pretty new |
| 20:46.56 | karsten | Zvpun: My suggestion would be to find out where that's defined (likely kernel) and read the source. |
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| 20:47.04 | CHodapp | cast: but what I'm writing requires me to control layout pretty explicitly rather than let the software handle it, so LyX and LaTeX are somewhat out of the question |
| 20:47.10 | karsten | Zvpun: ... patience, grasshopper |
| 20:47.13 | CHodapp | I think Scribus might simplify things greatly |
| 20:47.19 | Zvpun | karsten: hehe, thanks. |
| 20:47.26 | karsten | k31th: echo hostname > /etc/hostname |
| 20:47.42 | karsten | k31th: Note that canonical hostname and DNS name need not have any relation. |
| 20:48.24 | rahul | heh |
| 20:48.31 | k31th | I know i just used to name my servers after southpark caracters kenny kyle stan etc. |
| 20:48.53 | k31th | People get confused when they get errors like "stan refused to relay your mail" etc. |
| 20:49.04 | rahul | OMG, you killed kenny! |
| 20:49.11 | abrotman | xgl also isn't in debian ... |
| 20:49.20 | karsten | rahul: Like I didn't see *that* coming ;-) |
| 20:49.20 | rahul | it would have to be the server with the flaky app running on it |
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| 20:49.37 | SeanTater | what package conatins the opengl libraries? |
| 20:49.40 | rahul | run some wacky multi-threaded java app on it |
| 20:49.50 | karsten | !tell SeanTater about search |
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| 20:50.17 | Mazingaro | karsten: kernel compiling is ok |
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| 20:51.07 | galorin | I'm having issues with setting up a NFS server, portmap is having troubles and I don't know how to trace problems to give a better idea on what's happening. |
| 20:51.08 | tralala | Mazingaro, are the nights in Italy really *that* short?! |
| 20:51.18 | Mazingaro | yes |
| 20:51.38 | karsten | Mazingaro: How long have you been running it? What j level? Are you hitting swap (run: vmstat 4 and if you don't see si/so values you're not). I'd suggest j= at least 4x CPUs, or something outrageously high (eg: 128) if you've got a lot of ram. |
| 20:51.50 | karsten | tralala: Might explain the birthrate ;-) |
| 20:51.53 | Mazingaro | one time |
| 20:52.01 | karsten | Mazingaro: Not nearly enough. |
| 20:52.02 | abrotman | at band camp? |
| 20:52.11 | tralala | karsten, hehe :) |
| 20:52.26 | karsten | Mazingaro: 2 hrs minimum. Overnight preferred. The idea is to get the box hot and bothered, exercise all RAM, and watch for errors. |
| 20:54.30 | Mazingaro | karsten: I did run memtest86++ overnight last weekend |
| 20:54.55 | karsten | Mazingaro: Read the 'conspire' list posts I pointed you at earlier for limitations of that. |
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| 20:55.24 | karsten | Mazingaro: It's your system and your problem. I'm just telling you what works. In spades. From a couple of guys who deal with boxes by the gross. |
| 20:55.46 | Mazingaro | karsten: ok, take it easy |
| 20:55.50 | Mazingaro | karsten: thanks again |
| 20:55.53 | ice63 | ok is there a plugin for epiphany-browser for mplayer ? |
| 20:57.45 | ice63 | hmm |
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| 20:58.23 | Mazingaro | karsten: I'm trying to recompile iceape too |
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| 20:59.58 | Mazingaro | karsten: I got problem with prelinking too, but when they upgrade the version it's working great |
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| 21:02.16 | abrotman | ice63: mozilla-mplayer or something like that |
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| 21:05.08 | wedgeV | i just updated from apache 2.0 to 2.2 and apache doesnt listen on the SSL port anymore. i cant find any error messages in the logs, anyone know what might be wrong, or how to get an error message? |
| 21:07.07 | abrotman | did you enable mod_ssl ? |
| 21:07.12 | wedgeV | yes |
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| 21:07.59 | abrotman | what's in ports.conf ? |
| 21:08.00 | ice63 | abrotman: i installed mozilla-mplayer but it will not work for epiphany :( |
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| 21:08.33 | Eitan | hello all |
| 21:08.52 | karsten | Any way to decompile a TZ zonefile. Eg: reverse of zig |
| 21:08.57 | karsten | erm. zic |
| 21:09.03 | Eitan | Does anyone know if there is something wrong with the debian ftp servers? |
| 21:09.09 | ice63 | abrotman: jest firefox |
| 21:09.21 | ice63 | hmm |
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| 21:10.18 | CharminTheMoose | good evening everybody |
| 21:10.21 | wedgeV | abrotman: "Listen 80", but i have "Listen 443" in the ssl config file |
| 21:10.29 | Eitan | hello? |
| 21:10.34 | wedgeV | sites-enabled/ssl |
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| 21:11.12 | wedgeV | abrotman: inside "<IfDefine SSL>", i'll try removing that ifdefine |
| 21:11.24 | Muffin | Ooh, someone else having SSL-related issues! |
| 21:11.49 | abrotman | Eitan: try another |
| 21:12.12 | Muffin | My problem is this: OpenSSL isn't functioning properly: I get a lot of "incorrect block type" messages and the like. So, trying to compile it with apt-get -b source, I end up with the "make check" failing on BN Right Shift test. Any suggestions? Note: I'm using an oooold Sparc 20. |
| 21:13.24 | CHodapp | anyone here on Scribus who can test something out for me? |
| 21:13.48 | CHodapp | scribus-ng, rather |
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| 21:14.45 | sam_uk | i cannot start my chrooted 32 bit firefox from my 64bit install. I am trying dchroot -c ia32 -d mozilla-firefox |
| 21:14.45 | sam_uk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.00 | Eitan | Is there a new debian release today that is flooding the ftp.debian.org with traffic? Does anyone know? |
| 21:15.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen hannah's horse? |
| 21:15.17 | abrotman | no |
| 21:15.24 | abrotman | Eitan: no .. try another mirror |
| 21:15.28 | sam_uk | Chodapp what? |
| 21:15.49 | cureless | Eitan: mirrors are pull, not push. ftp.debian.org is a round robin anyway |
| 21:15.59 | cureless | (most mirrors are pull) |
| 21:16.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=185553 |
| 21:16.29 | Eitan | What does it mean to be push or pull? |
| 21:16.39 | CHodapp | sam_uk: set the grid size to something else, set it to snap grid and show grid, and see if text frames or shapes properly snap to the grid or if it seems they're offset in weird ways |
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| 21:17.37 | sam_uk | CHodapp i only understood half of that but i will try... |
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| 21:18.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: HAHAHA help hanna's horse is SOOO FUNNY |
| 21:18.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's a little gem, with great music! |
| 21:18.36 | vanisher | Is debian running out of the box with a intel pro/wireless 2915ABG nic? |
| 21:19.11 | tarzeau | vanisher: which debian? |
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| 21:20.31 | sam_uk | CHodapp sorry i fell at the first hurdle how do i set grid size? file>????>??? |
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| 21:21.07 | abrotman | Eitan: pick a different mirror near you |
| 21:21.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: like pacman ? |
| 21:21.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: but with REALLY funny music and sound effects |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | okay |
| 21:21.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn i need to play this and get drunk |
| 21:22.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll have to code a little cheat into it, it's not that easy |
| 21:22.40 | abrotman | cheater! |
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| 21:22.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's really hard. try it |
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| 21:23.35 | mistery_stuff | Hello :) |
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| 21:24.13 | Eitan | abrotman: thanks for the help. All is well. |
| 21:24.25 | Eitan | Bye all. |
| 21:24.34 | vanisher | tarzeau: i was thinking of etch |
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| 21:26.47 | tarzeau | vanisher: do you have a pci id of your card? you can find out by trying |
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| 21:26.57 | tarzeau | vanisher: or read the linux kernel documentation of the kernel version of etch? |
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| 21:27.34 | mistery_stuff | the amd64 work`s fne whoth debian? and have compilation to x86_64 ? |
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| 21:27.55 | mistery_stuff | or the compilated software is all in i386 or something |
| 21:27.56 | mistery_stuff | :| |
| 21:27.58 | vanisher | tarzeau: i'm not that familiar yet with that kind of stuff, just asking before going into some kind of driver hell |
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| 21:28.09 | abrotman | mistery_stuff: in english ? |
| 21:28.26 | mistery_stuff | lol right probably i╢m not mking me understand very well lol |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | there is pure64 and i386 |
| 21:28.36 | asg | abrotman: thought he was on about wesnoth |
| 21:28.41 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:28.43 | abrotman | he lives! |
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| 21:28.51 | abrotman | asg: i got a My Little Pony today ... |
| 21:28.58 | asg | abrotman: ah, you rock |
| 21:29.00 | tarzeau | vanisher: you can always use kernel-package |
| 21:29.04 | abrotman | asg: like there was doubt! |
| 21:29.11 | asg | hehe |
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| 21:30.27 | zaphands | Hello. Is it safe to kill mount? |
| 21:30.34 | zaphands | It's stuck in an endless loop trying to mount a bad CD. |
| 21:30.45 | asg | zaphands: yeah, it won't hurt your cd |
| 21:31.02 | abrotman | the laser will go crazy .. exit the side of the case and blind your cat! |
| 21:31.20 | asg | zaphands: you might end up with a zombie process but that's nothing to worry about. |
| 21:32.32 | zaphands | Thanks |
| 21:32.39 | lindenle | Has anyone had any success with the creative live web cam for notebooks. |
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| 21:35.29 | zanidip | bonsoir |
| 21:35.49 | m0rbid | Anyone else having troubles with ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 21:40.15 | asg | m0rbid: no, it's pingable and ftpable from here |
| 21:40.46 | SeanTater | has anyone here gotten supertux 0.3 to compile? |
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| 21:44.52 | Knightmare | hi |
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| 21:45.23 | Knightmare | can someone tell me how can i open *.rar files :) i am using Debian unstable |
| 21:45.34 | asg | Knightmare: /msg dpkg rar ; /msg dpkg unrar |
| 21:45.59 | Knightmare | yes but unrar can open *.rar only till 2.80 version |
| 21:46.04 | Knightmare | what about 3.0 ? |
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| 21:46.56 | Knightmare | ? |
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| 21:48.23 | abrotman | file a bug ? |
| 21:48.34 | Knightmare | what do u mean ? |
| 21:48.46 | rahul | ? |
| 21:49.43 | Muffin | Anyone have an idea why "make test" would fail when doing an "apt-get -b source openssl"? The error is: "Right shift test failed!" on the "big number library test." |
| 21:49.44 | asg | Knightmare: there might not be FOSS code available |
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| 21:51.58 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:51.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 21:52.10 | m0rbid | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) uptime: 1day 24mins 54secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ at 1998MHz (21% Load) gfx: S3 Graphics, Inc. MB res: 1024x768 32bit 1Hz ram: 346/479.48MB (72.16%) [|||||||---] hdd: C:\ 9.84GB/37.26GB Free G:\ 8.54GB/16.89GB Free net: NETGEAR FA311 Fast Ethernet Adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 100MB/s -556.94MB In, 1.98GB Out |
| 21:52.15 | Ilovemypuppy | wtf i moo? |
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| 21:53.09 | Ilovemypuppy | 1Hz ram is pretty slow |
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| 21:53.51 | SeanTater | Ilovemypuppy: how many years did it take to load it's current contents? |
| 21:53.57 | abrotman | m0rbid: noone cares .. asshat |
| 21:54.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll package hannahs-horse, or do you want to? |
| 21:54.06 | abrotman | you do it! |
| 21:54.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 21:54.30 | m0rbid | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) uptime: 1day 27mins 17secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ at 1998MHz (0% Load) gfx: S3 Graphics, Inc. MB res: 1024x768 32bit 1Hz ram: 357/479.48MB (74.42%) [|||||||---] hdd: C:\ 9.84GB/37.26GB Free G:\ 8.54GB/16.89GB Free net: NETGEAR FA311 Fast Ethernet Adapter - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 100MB/s -556.8MB In, 1.99GB Out |
| 21:54.35 | abrotman | m0rbid: turn it off |
| 21:54.46 | abrotman | wait ... |
| 21:54.55 | abrotman | !foo |
| 21:54.56 | dpkg | i heard foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
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| 21:56.08 | cwheeler | how do i get glxgears to print it's frame rate? |
| 21:56.17 | SeanTater | cwheeler: -printfps |
| 21:56.28 | abrotman | cwheeler: -printfps or -iacknowledgethisisnotabenchmark |
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| 21:56.32 | cwheeler | thanks, no manpage :( |
| 21:56.41 | abrotman | cwheeler: strings `which glxgears` |
| 21:56.57 | cwheeler | ah yes, i forgot |
| 21:57.02 | cwheeler | i've lost my edge |
| 21:57.07 | abrotman | getting old :) |
| 21:57.12 | SeanTater | abrotman: Warrning: unknown parameter: -iacknowledgethisisnotabenchmark |
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| 21:57.21 | SeanTater | abrotman: :P |
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| 21:57.25 | abrotman | !glxgears |
| 21:57.25 | dpkg | glxgears is probably an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
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| 21:57.29 | abrotman | i was close!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:57.40 | IMMORTAL | what is this? |
| 21:57.44 | asg | abrotman: you get an 8 from the .ru judge |
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| 21:57.48 | abrotman | IMMORTAL: this is #debian |
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| 21:58.09 | IMMORTAL | what about,im new,can you explain me? |
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| 21:58.25 | asg | IMMORTAL: www.freenode.org (or www.freenode.net) |
| 21:58.32 | abrotman | !tell IMMORTAL about debian |
| 21:58.46 | IMMORTAL | im from croatia! |
| 21:58.52 | SeanTater | *wonders* |
| 21:58.57 | IMMORTAL | hehe |
| 21:59.02 | asg | SeanTater: aptitude moo |
| 21:59.07 | abrotman | SeanTater: aptitude -vvvvv moo |
| 21:59.08 | IMMORTAL | how old are you? |
| 21:59.15 | abrotman | IMMORTAL: this is not a social channel |
| 21:59.21 | abrotman | IMMORTAL: try #freenode |
| 21:59.23 | rahul | IMMORTAL: is that any excuse for being annoying? |
| 21:59.34 | rahul | not all croatians are cretins. |
| 21:59.53 | rahul | don't defame your country. |
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| 22:00.01 | IMMORTAL | what,what means debian???????? |
| 22:00.07 | rahul | and you're hungarian anyway. |
| 22:00.15 | abrotman | hostmasks can lie |
| 22:00.17 | asg | IMMORTAL: www.debian.org |
| 22:00.29 | rahul | countries shouldn't |
| 22:00.30 | Elive_user38 | debian means evil empire we all belong to a cult of sodom |
| 22:00.38 | Elive_user38 | ;) |
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| 22:00.48 | abrotman | rahul: like yours says you're in NYC .. but we know you're from switzerland! |
| 22:00.49 | rahul | unless he's on someone else's box, which is even more lame |
| 22:00.51 | abrotman | Elive_user38: try #elive |
| 22:00.51 | rahul | heh |
| 22:01.28 | rahul | Warum denkst du das ich from die Schweitz ist? |
| 22:01.35 | Elive_user38 | abrotman: i am i was just kidding cause he asked what debian means |
| 22:01.37 | rahul | from |
| 22:01.40 | rahul | doh, von |
| 22:01.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:01.47 | rahul | um, and that would be von der |
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| 22:05.16 | IMMORTAL | HAIL SATAN! |
| 22:05.32 | jesperj | how do I reload oss when an application has crashed and sound doesnt work anymore |
| 22:05.37 | jesperj | I guess it needs to be reset |
| 22:05.58 | jesperj | IMMORTAL, very impressive |
| 22:06.08 | IMMORTAL | yeah! |
| 22:06.18 | SeanTater | !confuse IMMORTAL |
| 22:06.18 | dpkg | Yes, who is your snake yesterday, IMMORTAL? pants of the democracy of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 22:06.19 | asg | IMMORTAL: go away please. Thanks. |
| 22:06.41 | IMMORTAL | i made it by miself! |
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| 22:06.54 | IMMORTAL | jebem vam boga glupog!ok mater vam! |
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| 22:07.19 | abrotman | IMMORTAL: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 22:07.21 | jesperj | ok so, after /ignore :ing IMMORTAL, anyone know how to reset oss? |
| 22:07.33 | IMMORTAL | i know! |
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| 22:07.35 | abrotman | jesperj: modprobe -r the module .. then remodprobe it |
| 22:07.45 | dkr | I think that was something mean, if mater == mother :) |
| 22:07.48 | jesperj | Thank you very much abrotman. |
| 22:08.00 | abrotman | jesperj: or try fuser or lsof to find what is holding it |
| 22:08.14 | IMMORTAL | ask your mother! |
| 22:08.21 | abrotman | !ops IMMORTAL is lost |
| 22:08.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: IMMORTAL is lost |
| 22:08.21 | IMMORTAL | fuckin gay! |
| 22:08.30 | cwheeler | !confuse dpkg |
| 22:08.30 | dpkg | No, what are my hamster today, dpkg? wellies of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
| 22:08.40 | asg | IMMORTAL: the My First Internet (tm) channel is at #aol |
| 22:08.41 | jesperj | IMMORTAL, that's just ...pathetic |
| 22:08.47 | jesperj | mr satan |
| 22:08.57 | IMMORTAL | yes? |
| 22:09.00 | IMMORTAL | jes? |
| 22:09.09 | IMMORTAL | whats up? nigga? |
| 22:09.09 | asg | IMMORTAL: have you read the /server joke? |
| 22:09.11 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 22:09.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@83-131-72-178.adsl.net.t-com.hr] by peterS |
| 22:09.12 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 22:09.31 | abrotman | !beer peterS |
| 22:09.48 | peterS | yay, two beers. there's a way to start a Friday evening |
| 22:09.55 | jesperj | IMMORTAL, just ...go away. |
| 22:09.58 | jesperj | :) |
| 22:10.02 | jesperj | be gone |
| 22:10.02 | abrotman | jesperj: he's muted |
| 22:10.07 | jesperj | Thanks |
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| 22:12.29 | Elive_user38 | how do u use fuse or lsof to locate a crash |
| 22:12.35 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:12.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:12.51 | jesperj | abrotman, well, if the modules is "in use" so it can not be removed then? |
| 22:12.52 | asg | Elive_user38: probably lsof | grep /dev/dsp |
| 22:12.54 | cwheeler | j00 |
| 22:13.10 | abrotman | jesperj: so you use fuser or lsof to find out what is using it |
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| 22:13.37 | jesperj | Ok. To man fuser and man lsof it is |
| 22:13.44 | Elive_user38 | asg: cool thx |
| 22:14.01 | Elive_user38 | i have got 2 warnings is that something to worry about |
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| 22:14.27 | asg | Elive_user38: paste them if they are less than 4 lines; otherwise, put them in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 22:14.43 | pickcoder | tgif |
| 22:14.55 | asg | s/f/pubtime/ |
| 22:15.01 | Elive_user38 | does it need to be activated |
| 22:15.09 | Elive_user38 | ;) |
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| 22:15.18 | karsten | pickcoder: You're welcome |
| 22:15.38 | asg | karsten: didn't know your name was Greg |
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| 22:15.43 | _THE_MAXX_ | hello |
| 22:16.04 | pickcoder | karsten: so.. you finally figured out a way to alter time? |
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| 22:16.10 | _THE_MAXX_ | i am having trouble mounting an smb share as user |
| 22:16.16 | pickcoder | other than ntp and setdate |
| 22:16.24 | roue | hola |
| 22:16.26 | asg | _THE_MAXX_: have you consulted #samba yet? |
| 22:16.29 | _THE_MAXX_ | here is the line in my fstab: |
| 22:16.32 | karsten | pickcoder: time++ |
| 22:16.36 | pickcoder | ah |
| 22:16.37 | karsten | pickcoder: I run that once a second. |
| 22:16.42 | _THE_MAXX_ | //tvbox/data /mnt/data smbfs user,credentials=/root/.smbcredentials,dmask=777,fmask=777 0 0 |
| 22:16.52 | pickcoder | but that's just a counter |
| 22:16.54 | _THE_MAXX_ | it mounts it correctly at boot time |
| 22:16.59 | _THE_MAXX_ | and root can mount it |
| 22:17.05 | roue | I've installed the (etch) urxvt package. When I ssh into other servers they say they don't recognize the rxvt-unicode term type (and things like screen fail to start). what's the right way to fix this? |
| 22:17.08 | roue | thanks. |
| 22:17.10 | _THE_MAXX_ | but users can't mount it |
| 22:17.13 | karsten | pickcoder: Time is what happens when nothing else does. |
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| 22:17.18 | karsten | roue: Painfully. |
| 22:17.21 | roue | oy. |
| 22:17.23 | asg | roue: TERM=rxvt ssh ... |
| 22:17.37 | roue | yick. |
| 22:17.38 | pickcoder | karsten: heh.. true |
| 22:17.43 | asg | roue: if the servers are old, TERM=vt100 ssh ... |
| 22:17.46 | roue | there's not a way to set it so it sticks. |
| 22:17.59 | roue | maybe plant it in .bashrc? |
| 22:18.33 | asg | roue: I long ago aliased all my servers so that typing 'servername' ssh's with correct options. |
| 22:18.38 | pickcoder | roue: .bash_profile for logins |
| 22:18.52 | roue | okay. |
| 22:19.04 | roue | thanks for the suggestions. |
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| 22:19.52 | _THE_MAXX_ | does anyone have an idea for my problem? |
| 22:19.55 | pickcoder | another Debian box will be going live @ 5:45pm ET |
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| 22:20.30 | asg | _THE_MAXX_: sudo(1) |
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| 22:20.53 | tarzeau | pickcoder: but will it run popularity-contest ? |
| 22:21.03 | pickcoder | unfortunately, I have been unable to get lm-sensors to work with the new Intel board |
| 22:21.15 | pickcoder | tarzeau: I believe so |
| 22:21.17 | tarzeau | pickcoder: tried mbmon instead? |
| 22:21.23 | pickcoder | nope |
| 22:21.25 | pickcoder | but I will |
| 22:21.30 | pickcoder | thx |
| 22:21.51 | _THE_MAXX_ | sudo on mount? |
| 22:21.51 | _THE_MAXX_ | why would i need sudo? |
| 22:22.11 | _THE_MAXX_ | i want to mount it as user |
| 22:22.36 | asg | _THE_MAXX_: so a regular user could mount the share with the working rootly privileges. |
| 22:23.00 | blondie | _THE_MAXX_: do the users have access to the credentials file? |
| 22:23.08 | _THE_MAXX_ | yes |
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| 22:23.08 | asg | blondie: one would hope not |
| 22:23.21 | blondie | asg: I dont see how it would work otherwise |
| 22:23.39 | asg | blondie: by using sudo to limit the users to running mount /mnt/data |
| 22:23.42 | pickcoder | _THE_MAXX_: what group owns /root/? |
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| 22:23.51 | asg | s/users/specific users coded correctly in /etc/sudoers/ |
| 22:23.56 | _THE_MAXX_ | root |
| 22:24.03 | pickcoder | then users can't get to files there |
| 22:24.13 | pickcoder | unless you use sudo |
| 22:24.28 | pickcoder | or change the group to users/staff/etc |
| 22:24.35 | pickcoder | and make the files group readable |
| 22:24.37 | asg | pickcoder: users probably couldn't mount on /mnt/data anyway |
| 22:24.44 | _THE_MAXX_ | currently i have: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 2006-07-01 18:50 /root/.smbcredentials |
| 22:24.50 | alecjw | hi. does anyone know of some really lightweight (ie pen drive) debian like distros _with apt_ (~10mbish, or even a floppy) |
| 22:24.51 | asg | _THE_MAXX_: ls -ld /root |
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| 22:25.41 | _THE_MAXX_ | drwxr-xr-x 49 root root 4096 2007-01-05 23:11 /root |
| 22:25.46 | blondie | !paste |
| 22:25.46 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:25.50 | _THE_MAXX_ | sorry for repeat post |
| 22:25.52 | jatt | hm |
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| 22:26.15 | asg | then they should be able to read it. What are the perms on /mnt/data? |
| 22:26.46 | _THE_MAXX_ | 755 |
| 22:27.26 | _THE_MAXX_ | perms on /mnt/data are 755 root root |
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| 22:28.12 | peterS | alecjw: hmmm, flash-based drives are down to US$20 for 512 MB now, I don't think most people see a need to cram something into 10 MB |
| 22:28.42 | peterS | alecjw: you might check on damnsmalllinux, though, that's kind of their goal |
| 22:29.03 | alecjw | peterS: ok. thanks |
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| 22:31.09 | _THE_MAXX_ | on a similar note, USB keys don't auto mount in on my debian but do on ubuntu. |
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| 22:31.37 | _THE_MAXX_ | each time i have to log in a s root and mount it manually |
| 22:31.53 | karsten | _THE_MAXX_: automounter |
| 22:31.53 | _THE_MAXX_ | instead of using the mount applet as user |
| 22:33.29 | Thaiger | How do I pick new apt sources, I thought I could it using dpkg-reconfigure, but I don't remember what package I do that to |
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| 22:33.47 | karsten | Thaiger: apt-setup |
| 22:34.06 | Nameeater | I have swapped from having ubuntu on my 'server' box to debian, one of the things I am missing is the ability to have the machine cleanly shutdown by hitting the power button, but in debian it just turns straight off which isnt great, what package do I need to install to get that power button function back? |
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| 22:35.02 | Thaiger | karsten: Are you saying I should install apt-setup? I thought there was a way to do it without that, but if thats the only way then I'll do it |
| 22:35.21 | karsten | Nameeater: probably apic / apmd or something like that. |
| 22:35.22 | karsten | power management |
| 22:35.31 | Elive_user38 | Nameeater: why did u swapped ? |
| 22:35.53 | karsten | Thaiger: It's not the only way but it's among the easier. vim /etc/apt/sources.list is how *I* do it ;-) |
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| 22:36.04 | _THE_MAXX_ | is that a daemon? |
| 22:36.04 | _THE_MAXX_ | is autofs what i am lookin for? |
| 22:36.15 | Nameeater | Elive: I wanted to have a go at the debian experiance :) |
| 22:36.20 | [Cadet] | _THE_MAXX_: try adding the user to the plugdev group |
| 22:36.21 | Nameeater | thanks karsten |
| 22:36.25 | Elive_user38 | :) |
| 22:36.29 | karsten | _THE_MAXX_: Yes. |
| 22:36.34 | karsten | _THE_MAXX_: Twice. |
| 22:36.53 | karsten | Nameeater: Erm, apci, not apic. That's a kernel option. apmd is the power management daemon. |
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| 22:37.15 | karsten | Nameeater: ... and you might want to get a second opinion on that. |
| 22:37.21 | _THE_MAXX_ | i don't have a plugdev group |
| 22:37.22 | Thaiger | karsten: OK, I'm OK vimming the sources.list, its just I'm trying to get a package and it keeps 404ing and I want to add another mirror, I just don't know the address of another mirror |
| 22:37.42 | pickcoder | Thaiger: is it ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 22:38.05 | _THE_MAXX_ | oups, sorry i do... |
| 22:38.13 | Thaiger | pickcoder: No, its Berkeley, I'll try ftp.us.debian.org |
| 22:38.14 | _THE_MAXX_ | it was hidden |
| 22:38.27 | pickcoder | Thaiger: I've had 404 problems with us.deb.. try ftp.debian.org |
| 22:38.30 | karsten | Thaiger: http://ftp.us.debian.org/MIRRORS IIRC. |
| 22:38.34 | karsten | !mirrors |
| 22:38.34 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 22:39.10 | [Cadet] | _THE_MAXX_: logout/login required |
| 22:39.12 | _THE_MAXX_ | doh! i am already in it! |
| 22:39.17 | linux2 | how can i make it so /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh doesn't run at boot? |
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| 22:39.36 | Thaiger | karsten pickcoder : Thanks, thats what I was looking for |
| 22:39.43 | ilyak | Do I understand correctly hostapd does not support ndis? |
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| 22:40.38 | pickcoder | linux2: is hwclock causing problems? |
| 22:41.20 | m0rbid | Thaiger: Ive been having troubles with ftp.debian.org (and us as well) the same. |
| 22:41.27 | pickcoder | m0rbid: really? |
| 22:41.38 | pickcoder | m0rbid: I rarely ever see 404 errors from it |
| 22:41.38 | linux2 | pickcoder: yeah im stil having that clock issue. it boot up and set the clock to some way off time |
| 22:41.49 | m0rbid | yup, since last night actually |
| 22:41.50 | linux2 | pickcoder: my hardware clock is on local time |
| 22:41.54 | pickcoder | linux2: set the time on your system and them hwclock --systohc |
| 22:42.13 | pickcoder | that will set the hwclock to your system |
| 22:42.45 | pickcoder | then install ntp |
| 22:42.47 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:43.05 | linux2 | pickcoder: select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 22:43.18 | _THE_MAXX_ | ok, mounting the usb drive is working |
| 22:43.34 | pickcoder | maybe your battery is dying or you have a flakey rtc |
| 22:43.48 | linux2 | pickcoder: battery should be good |
| 22:44.00 | pickcoder | time to swap hardware.. bbl |
| 22:44.20 | craigevil | ftp.debian.org is working just fine, i just did d-u a few minutes ago |
| 22:44.24 | _THE_MAXX_ | any more ideas on mounting the smb share by a user? |
| 22:44.49 | pickcoder-wrk | craigevil: sarge to deb? |
| 22:44.50 | pickcoder-wrk | gah |
| 22:44.54 | pickcoder-wrk | deb == etch |
| 22:45.23 | craigevil | sorry don't know about the sarge,etch repos I run Sid but they shouldn't be any different |
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| 22:45.35 | pickcoder-wrk | never mind.. I'm tracking a bug I filed |
| 22:45.38 | pickcoder-wrk | sarge to etch |
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| 22:46.17 | steve_ | I cant seem to get my printer to work with debian sarge. I already read all of the how-to's . Can anyone help? |
| 22:47.42 | blondie | steve_: explain, what happens? |
| 22:48.04 | steve_ | Nothing happens. I try to print a test page, and nothing happens. |
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| 22:49.31 | Elive_user38 | maybe u need a new ink |
| 22:49.34 | Elive_user38 | :=) |
| 22:49.39 | Elive_user38 | refill |
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| 22:50.02 | steve_ | I can print a test page perfectly from the printer offline. |
| 22:50.06 | cahoot | steve_: might take a look at /var/log/cups/error_log |
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| 22:50.13 | steve_ | ok .... checking. |
| 22:50.47 | [Cadet] | _THE_MAXX_: actually one problem is that it should be users not user in /etc/fstab |
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| 22:51.07 | treitter | I've got a repository where, if I run "apt-get upgrade" on a client, it will upgrade a specific package every single time (for the same version). Does anyone know what might cause this? |
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| 22:51.47 | steve_ | !pastebin |
| 22:51.47 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 22:51.53 | co1onel | Got a query regarding the definition between architectures of pt_regs. |
| 22:51.54 | co1onel | Under Intel I get the ebx, ecx, edx variables declared in the pt_regs |
| 22:51.54 | co1onel | structure found in asm/ptrace.h. However, under Sparc they are not |
| 22:51.54 | co1onel | there. Am I attempting to do Intel only things on a Sparc by using the |
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| 22:52.13 | co1onel | :[ |
| 22:52.26 | tuv | is there any good compiz replacement in debian? |
| 22:52.32 | sam_uk | trying to get vlc plugin working on firefox, this is the error http://pastebin.ca/307204 any ideas? |
| 22:53.14 | co1onel | Got a query regarding the definition between architectures of pt_regs.Under Intel I get the ebx, ecx, edx variables declared in the pt_regs structure found in asm/ptrace.h. However, under Sparc they are not there. Am I attempting to do Intel only things on a Sparc by using the wrong do_execve()? |
| 22:53.45 | steve_ | I've pasted the output of the cups error log: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5026 |
| 22:53.46 | blondie | co1onel: umm not sure this is the best channel for that question |
| 22:53.59 | co1onel | blondie, why not? |
| 22:54.06 | blondie | doesn't very debian-related to me |
| 22:54.30 | cahoot | Hint: Do you have ESP Ghostscript installed? - do you steve_ ? |
| 22:54.43 | steve_ | let me see... |
| 22:54.45 | blondie | programming channnels would be more appropriate (and likely to get a response) |
| 22:55.17 | cahoot | steve_: did you even look at the log? |
| 22:55.30 | cafuego_ | co1onel: if you're just using C calls, I don't see why execve() shouldn't work across all arches Linux 9and libc6) are ported to. |
| 22:55.42 | Muffin | Anyone familiar with compiling openSSL logged in recently? |
| 22:55.50 | peterS | co1onel: that said, sparc does not have registers named ebc, ecx or edx. nobody does except i386 and amd64. other architectures name their registers other things |
| 22:56.09 | co1onel | cafuego_, LOL |
| 22:56.15 | co1onel | petemc, yes |
| 22:56.16 | cafuego_ | co1onel: The way around that is to sue a higher level langaueg and let the compiler worry about it ;-) |
| 22:56.27 | co1onel | i'll explain |
| 22:56.31 | cafuego_ | but perhaps without the typo3s. |
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| 22:57.08 | steve_ | cahoot: No... i'm installing it now. Hopefully that will solve the problem.... checking. |
| 22:57.16 | co1onel | sparc uses the %i7, %fp (%i6), %i0 %17%sp %o0 registers |
| 22:57.32 | co1onel | and the global registers are %g7 %g6 and %og0 |
| 22:57.46 | co1onel | its alot like the mips processor, as it has alot of numbers |
| 22:58.01 | ilyak | How do I make my adhoc wlan0 become 802.11g? |
| 22:58.05 | co1onel | they're also alot like the mepis registers, its unfortunate |
| 22:58.07 | peterS | co1onel: _most_ processors number their registers, Intel i386 is kind of an exception for giving them cute names instead |
| 22:58.11 | ilyak | It's now 802.11b... |
| 22:58.26 | co1onel | that http://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2002/02/msg00183.html regards matters of these to be of such reverence |
| 22:58.29 | cwheeler | cute names and they aren't orthogonal |
| 22:58.34 | co1onel | by people such as chris mason |
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| 22:58.39 | co1onel | i'm highly disappointed |
| 22:58.40 | Malagmyr | With intel processors in macintosh machines, I'm waiting for an amd cpu for my amiga. |
| 22:58.47 | co1onel | petemc, hahaha |
| 22:58.56 | steve_ | cahoot: Nothing yet. Do I need to logout/login again before trying it? |
| 22:58.57 | peterS | co1onel: this is not really subject matter for #debian, though |
| 22:58.59 | markit | any debian kernel manteiner? I need to know if a bug is Asterisk or Debian matter |
| 22:58.59 | cwheeler | did 68000s go extinct? |
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| 22:59.06 | co1onel | petemc, silence child. |
| 22:59.07 | cafuego_ | cwheeler: Not really |
| 22:59.10 | peterS | co1onel: perhaps you'd like to take it up in #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net or something |
| 22:59.26 | co1onel | petemc, this is a matter that came up on the debian mailing list |
| 22:59.38 | peterS | co1onel: I repeat, this is not really for #debian. please take it elsewhere. |
| 22:59.50 | co1onel | 'i repeat' haha |
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| 23:00.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 23:00.13 | cafuego_ | cwheeler: afaik, they were used for a long time (still may be) as controllers in conjunction with other stuff. |
| 23:00.27 | HardDisk_WP | years ago i have played a game similar to xdigger |
| 23:00.33 | cafuego_ | peterS: well, pop() that! |
| 23:00.41 | zenwryly | Is there a dvd player available that supports menus *and* handles multiple dvd drives gracefully? |
| 23:00.47 | HardDisk_WP | but i cannot find it. the game used a Tux as player...any idea how the game was named? |
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| 23:00.59 | HardDisk_WP | it had something with diamonds in his name |
| 23:01.02 | steve_ | cahoot: Are you still there? |
| 23:01.42 | peterS | HardDisk_WP: I know the one you're talking about, I think it was called rocksndiamonds or something, I believe it was removed for licensing reasons a couple years back |
| 23:02.01 | HardDisk_WP | peterS, yes! than |
| 23:02.02 | HardDisk_WP | ks |
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| 23:02.39 | steve_ | Still having trouble printing in debian sarge. Can anyone else help? |
| 23:02.44 | _THE_MAXX_ | Cadet: why do you say it should be "users" the manual sais "user"? |
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| 23:04.25 | CrocoJet | hi all |
| 23:04.40 | CrocoJet | who use last version kernel 2.6.19-1 ? |
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| 23:04.52 | [Cadet] | _THE_MAXX_: actually man page shows it can be either |
| 23:05.11 | CrocoJet | is possible use kernel vanilla with debian distro ? |
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| 23:05.38 | jatt | CrocoJet: yes |
| 23:05.50 | peterS | CrocoJet: it is possible. but on sarge (debian 3.1) you will run into problems with other software not being new enough to use with 2.6.19, such as udev |
| 23:05.55 | steve_ | Can anyone help me with printing in sarge? |
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| 23:06.07 | pickcoder | hrm.. I've hit a lib issue with an old application |
| 23:06.22 | jatt | peterS: does this apply to unstable too? |
| 23:06.26 | pickcoder | I have installed libstdc++5 so I can get the required lib, but for some reason the application still doesn't see it |
| 23:06.37 | peterS | jatt: no, unstable should be fine for 2.6.19. 2.6.18 is already _in_ unstable. |
| 23:07.44 | jatt | peterS: thanks, I am running vanilla 2.6.18.1 so it is safe to upgrade to 2.6.29 when needed I guess |
| 23:07.52 | jatt | 2.6.19 sorry |
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| 23:08.28 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 23:08.37 | peterS | jatt: I guess so, I haven't heard of problems with that. it won't appear in Debian for some time, though, since we're concentrating on getting 2.6.18 in shape for the etch release (it isn't quite, yet) |
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| 23:09.05 | teledyn | pickcoder: symlink? |
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| 23:09.25 | pickcoder | teledyn: the files are present |
| 23:09.34 | pickcoder | teledyn: but the application says they don't exist |
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| 23:10.09 | teledyn | pickcoder: run strace and verify the exact path its looking for it |
| 23:10.13 | pickcoder | true |
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| 23:10.31 | teledyn | pickcoder: you can always make a symlink... |
| 23:10.59 | peterS | good call, debhelper |
| 23:11.07 | pickcoder | good greif |
| 23:11.10 | pickcoder | grief too |
| 23:11.12 | devicenull | I'm trying to install etch via the RC1 netisnt CD, and I'm seeing modprobe crash shortly after the system starts booting |
| 23:11.18 | pickcoder | it was statically linked to some i486 build directory |
| 23:11.32 | devicenull | It's an amd64 system, and I have to start it with "install acpi=off" to avoid a kernel panic |
| 23:12.07 | devicenull | any ideas on how to get the install to work? |
| 23:12.39 | peterS | devicenull: I don't know what to do about it, but can you figure out what module it is trying to load when it crashes? |
| 23:12.50 | samuel | ive put into fstab some nfs shares, the system mounts them on boot, how can i get them to mount only when requested? |
| 23:13.07 | blondie | samuel: put noauto in the options |
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| 23:13.45 | devicenull | peterS: I don't know how to do that.. |
| 23:13.53 | samuel | blondie: thanks! |
| 23:14.06 | devicenull | I can see around half the crash message, the other part scrolls up too quick |
| 23:14.24 | pickcoder | still won't open it |
| 23:14.36 | cureless | devicenull: so even with acpi=off it doesn't work? |
| 23:14.54 | peterS | devicenull: the way to make it scroll back down is shift-pgup |
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| 23:15.36 | devicenull | qh |
| 23:15.41 | devicenull | cureless: nope, |
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| 23:15.53 | devicenull | that gets me past the kernel panic, but then modprobe crashes |
| 23:16.03 | cureless | devicenull: try to boot with "linux enable_8254_timer" |
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| 23:17.10 | devicenull | ok |
| 23:17.14 | pickcoder | hrm.. I think I need the 32-bit libs |
| 23:17.34 | cureless | devicenull: otherwise, you can also try to boot with: "noapic nolapic acpi=off" |
| 23:18.41 | devicenull | ok, I'll give it a shot |
| 23:19.06 | treitter | I've got a repository where, if I run "apt-get upgrade" on a client, it will upgrade a specific package every single time (for the same version). Does anyone know what might cause this? |
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| 23:20.07 | cureless | treitter: do other packages get upgraded too or just that one? |
| 23:20.16 | pickcoder | crap |
| 23:20.25 | pickcoder | it needs the 32-bit versions of the libstdc++ |
| 23:20.30 | Thaiger | Let say I have networked windows box and disconnected deb box is there something similar to apt-zip I could use that would let met get packages to the deb box? |
| 23:20.31 | pickcoder | I have to run em64t |
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| 23:20.44 | vulture | Thaiger: what's wrong with using apt-zip? |
| 23:21.07 | Thaiger | vulture: isn't it for *nix only? |
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| 23:25.15 | treitter | cureless: that's the only one that keeps getting upgraded |
| 23:25.35 | cureless | treitter: maybe it's not installing correctly. |
| 23:25.55 | treitter | cureless: apt-cache showpkg shows it as having the same package as both Reverse Depends and Dependency |
| 23:26.26 | treitter | cureless: though the control file only lists that package as a Recommends, not Depends |
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| 23:26.59 | cureless | treitter: what debian? what repo? what package? |
| 23:27.17 | kombi | got a deb file, now what? (it's a kFreeBSD Port and I wonder how to install it..) |
| 23:27.31 | treitter | cureless: this is a custom package in a custom repo (but it's based off of a Ubuntu 6.06 mirror) |
| 23:27.39 | vulture | Thaiger: Probably runs ok in Cygwin or similar.. |
| 23:27.58 | vulture | kombi: Um.. unless you're installing the deb file on Debian, it's not really a #debian question.. |
| 23:28.03 | cureless | treitter: well, then the package has a problem and it's not a debian problem. |
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| 23:28.34 | kombi | vulture: ablolutely debian, wouldn't dare to ask here otherwise..;) |
| 23:28.46 | treitter | cureless: yeah. I'm sure it's either the fault of my package or my repo. I'm just trying to figure out if there's anything obvious that could be causing this |
| 23:28.53 | kombi | can you install a local file with apt-get? |
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| 23:28.59 | vulture | kombi: so what's it got to do with kFreeBSD? anyway - you can install it with dpkg. |
| 23:29.04 | vulture | dpkg -i |
| 23:29.06 | treitter | kombi: with dpkg -i |
| 23:29.16 | kombi | thanks! |
| 23:29.51 | kombi | vulture: you find them on packages.debian.org, not official bot on there.. |
| 23:30.00 | usr_rob | i need some tips about video conversion software, any suggestions ? |
| 23:30.05 | kombi | s/bot/but/ |
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| 23:30.10 | cureless | usr_rob: menconder |
| 23:30.19 | usr_rob | cureless, thx! |
| 23:30.21 | treitter | cureless: do you know what would happen if I did have a strict circular dependency? Would apt-get detect it, or just install the packages anyhow? |
| 23:31.08 | cureless | treitter: I haven't tried. Your question is not really a debian question tough. |
| 23:31.24 | treitter | cureless: is there a channel for apt-get and dpkg specifically? |
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| 23:31.38 | cureless | treitter: are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 23:31.56 | treitter | cureless: Ubuntu. But it doesn't seem Ubuntu-specific at all |
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| 23:32.24 | cureless | treitter: ubuntu customizes their software, that can include dpkg and apt. |
| 23:32.52 | treitter | cureless: yeah |
| 23:33.13 | treitter | cureless: thanks for the help. I'll see if I can figure the rest out on my own |
| 23:33.17 | cureless | which means that it's an unbuntu problem (or a packaging problem) |
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| 23:35.44 | cwheeler | are there non-free plugins for xine for debian? where do i find them? |
| 23:36.03 | abrotman | cwheeler: /msg dpkg w32codecs |
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| 23:36.20 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 23:37.46 | Thaiger | I just installed xserver-xorg, but when I call Xorg it says Failed to load module kbd (module does not exist), it says the same for mouse |
| 23:39.00 | abrotman | !find usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so etch |
| 23:39.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so' (1): (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so) in x11/xserver-xorg-input-kbd. |
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| 23:42.24 | markit | any clear and updated howto on what is needed for compiling a kernel module (i.e. mISDN) from a tar.gz or svn? (no from debian sources) |
| 23:42.25 | psychonate | Is there any other file besides /etc/network/interfaces I need change to specify my static IP? |
| 23:43.18 | psychonate | I've got a strange issue where after a while I realize my box has been assigned a new IP via dhcp, even though I have specifically set up a static IP in interfaces. |
| 23:43.46 | psychonate | If I restart the networking script, all goes well and I get my old IP address back; but after so long it switches again. |
| 23:45.14 | cureless | psychonate: dhcp is running? |
| 23:45.30 | cureless | psychonate: ps ax | grep dhc |
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| 23:45.41 | evilbulgarian | what is the best raid and filesystem for many small files random read through nfs? |
| 23:45.50 | Thaiger | So anyone have any idea what to do when Xorg says Failed to load module kbd (module does not exist) |
| 23:45.55 | abrotman | !find usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so etch |
| 23:46.03 | samuel | whats the replacement for hotplug when youve got HAL installed? network-manager? |
| 23:46.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so' (1): (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so) in x11/xserver-xorg-input-kbd. |
| 23:46.23 | cureless | Thaiger: make sure you have xserver-xorg-input-kbd installed |
| 23:46.56 | psychonate | cureless, I see a dhclient3 and a dhcdbd |
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| 23:47.23 | cureless | psychonate: are you using dhclient for anything? have you rebooted since you changed to static address? |
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| 23:47.43 | samuel | or what else does what hotplug did? |
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| 23:48.26 | psychonate | cureless, no I haven't rebooted. I suppose that's the problem since the former line (for dhclient) reads "dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient3.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0" |
| 23:48.35 | pickcoder | is it possible to get both cores to work on a non-em64t kernel? |
| 23:48.49 | cureless | psychonate: in that case just kill dhclient, you should be set, no need to reboot |
| 23:48.59 | Thaiger | cureless: Thanks, that took care of it! |
| 23:49.04 | psychonate | cureless, excellent; I hate the reboot |
| 23:49.06 | psychonate | ty |
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| 23:49.15 | pickcoder | I'm presently stuck in a bad position due to a commercial application that "runs on 64-bit" but still relies on 32-bit binaries not available on Debian amd64 |
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| 23:49.43 | abrotman | talk to the morons that sold you that |
| 23:49.54 | pickcoder | I have no choice but to run it |
| 23:49.55 | sanmarcos-trabaj | is there a way to get the process name of the proess which is using the most cpu? (without actually having to loook at the list in top)? |
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| 23:50.01 | pickcoder | they blow, but I'm stuck with it |
| 23:50.35 | pickcoder | I tried 686 Etch before and it didn't recognize both cores |
| 23:50.35 | samuel | pickcoder: ia32-libs |
| 23:50.53 | pickcoder | samuel: I get i/o errors when the library is accessed |
| 23:50.57 | pickcoder | libstdc++ 6 |
| 23:50.59 | samuel | oh |
| 23:51.24 | tuv | any recommendation for an html editor (preferably with a wysiwyg mode too)? |
| 23:51.31 | samuel | nvu |
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| 23:51.43 | samuel | bluefish |
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| 23:51.47 | samuel | screem |
| 23:51.59 | unlink | gvim |
| 23:52.02 | tuv | samuel, that is a list, not a recommendation |
| 23:52.08 | cydork | tuv: google aptana it doesn't have wysiwyg afaik |
| 23:52.10 | cureless | vim.... oh, wait, wysiwyg .... vim + firefox :-) |
| 23:52.18 | unlink | gvim is my sole recommendation |
| 23:52.24 | samuel | tuv: i recommend nvu/bluefish combo |
| 23:52.50 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: Did you try a 32 bit chroot and adding the library paths to /etc/ld.so.conf there is always LD_PRELOAD |
| 23:52.54 | cydork | Or emacs alone :) |
| 23:52.55 | tuv | anyone tried amaya? |
| 23:53.03 | samuel | sucks |
| 23:53.08 | tuv | samuel, thanks.. will look into that |
| 23:53.12 | unlink | the web browser? |
| 23:53.23 | unlink | it's unusable by modern standards |
| 23:53.25 | tuv | unlink, it's got an editor too |
| 23:53.27 | samuel | what else is there? |
| 23:53.36 | unlink | i'm sure if you like nedit, you'll love amaya |
| 23:53.46 | samuel | oh |
| 23:54.32 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: hmm.. I look at the ld.so.conf |
| 23:54.36 | pickcoder | chroot won't help me |
| 23:54.40 | pickcoder | I'm copying the libs manually |
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| 23:55.10 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: I just mean to get all the 32 bit libs installed more easily (and keep them upto date) |
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| 23:55.18 | pickcoder | hm |
| 23:55.27 | pickcoder | I'll try that |
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| 23:57.10 | pickcoder | I needed ia32-libs |
| 23:57.21 | pickcoder | which.. I thought were installed since emul was there |
