| 00:00.10 | Sashi | to store the debian netinstall iso? |
| 00:00.11 | bronaugh | panthera: ok, when will that be? |
| 00:00.11 | panthera | bronaugh: he's uploading his latest packages again, and then i'll have a look at them. |
| 00:00.15 | bronaugh | oh, ok. |
| 00:00.22 | panthera | bronaugh: presumably tomorrow. |
| 00:00.26 | bronaugh | cool. |
| 00:00.32 | linux_jones | how do i make my mouse move faster? |
| 00:00.32 | kelm_ | bye all |
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| 00:00.43 | blondie | linux_jones: move your hand faster |
| 00:00.50 | linux_jones | haha |
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| 00:01.02 | bronaugh | well, I can wait a day; at least I know that there's a bug, and I don't have to waste more time bashing my head against a wall. |
| 00:01.08 | Werdna | I just reinstalled apache2 and php 5 using aptitude purge and aptitude install. When I try to open a php file, it should execute, but instead I get a download window for application/x-httpd-php |
| 00:01.14 | blondie | linux_jones: quite obvious wasn't it |
| 00:01.22 | bronaugh | linux_jones: you can set mouse acceleration using xset. |
| 00:01.55 | jelly-home | Jamsi: trivial suggestion #2: try #exim |
| 00:02.02 | piper69 | blondie: ok now i need your help, i have learned that i can use the 'export' command to put the /sbin/ifconfig in my PATH but this will just be temp, if i restart i will loose it... can you please show me how to put it in the PATH? |
| 00:02.20 | jelly-home | Jamsi: oh sorry, you already got that :-| |
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| 00:02.46 | blondie | piper69: you need to edit you .bash_profile file and put it in there |
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| 00:03.07 | blondie | there may already be examples in that file of setting the path |
| 00:03.20 | linuxpoet | hmmm a little help with sendmail. I have mailman running (with correct virtual hosts) but I am unable to get mailman to correctly send as its designated domain |
| 00:03.25 | linuxpoet | It always sends as the machine domain |
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| 00:03.35 | piper69 | blondie: since i don't know where is the .bash_profile show i use which .bash_profile |
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| 00:03.47 | blondie | it's in your home directory. |
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| 00:04.11 | Drizzt321 | is the hdparm in debian/testing not have the -U/-R option enabled? I just tried to use the -U on a sata (/dev/sdb) drive and it just came back with the help printout |
| 00:04.13 | piper69 | blondie: and i will use the pico |
| 00:04.23 | blondie | right |
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| 00:05.01 | Dembug | does anybody know what i need to modprobe for a Gigabyte 965-GM-S2? |
| 00:05.11 | Dembug | eek, for Sata2Raid, :< |
| 00:05.58 | jelly-home | Dembug: onboard? |
| 00:06.27 | Drizzt321 | ok, to rephrase, what I am trying to do is hot swap sata drives, and I know the chipset + hdd have support for it, and the drivers, but I don't know how to tell libata to stop the device, or to look for a new one when its plugged in |
| 00:06.35 | piper69 | blondie: that is the only thing i have on my .bash_profile "if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then |
| 00:06.39 | piper69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.42 | piper69 | fi |
| 00:06.43 | piper69 | " |
| 00:07.14 | piper69 | blondie: hmmm. can i change it in the passwd file |
| 00:07.35 | jelly-home | Dembug: /msg dpkg hcl, then paste the lspci -n into that last url... that'll tell you which modules to use |
| 00:07.38 | blondie | make a new line with PATH=/sbin:"${PATH}" |
| 00:07.42 | blondie | piper69: no |
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| 00:09.53 | piper69 | blondie: still didn't work |
| 00:10.04 | blondie | piper69: you have to restart bash. |
| 00:10.11 | Sashi | well |
| 00:10.13 | Sashi | getting etch |
| 00:12.21 | piper69 | blondie: should i just type bash, or should i switch to a diffrent sh and then come back to bash |
| 00:12.36 | blondie | well the second one won't work. |
| 00:12.39 | blondie | type bash. |
| 00:12.50 | blondie | or log out and back in (or open a new terminal window) |
| 00:13.17 | piper69 | ifconfig |
| 00:13.20 | piper69 | opps |
| 00:13.37 | piper69 | blondie: didn't work too |
| 00:13.40 | jelly-home | "exec bash -l" ftw |
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| 00:14.49 | piper69 | jelly-home: is that for me |
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| 00:15.48 | jelly-home | piper69: yeas |
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| 00:16.06 | piper69 | jelly-home: well that too didn't work |
| 00:16.10 | heatman | whats is the name of the packages that install X? trying to install it via apt-get |
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| 00:17.09 | jelly-home | piper69: then you probably didn't add it to the path properly |
| 00:17.44 | gravity | heatman: If you're running stable, x-window-system. If you're running testing or unstable, xorg. |
| 00:18.01 | heatman | gravity: ty |
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| 00:18.06 | Jamsi | jelly-home: yeah no luck there sorry :( |
| 00:18.15 | Jamsi | jelly-home: Trying experts exchange now :) |
| 00:18.27 | blondie | that website is awful |
| 00:18.28 | jelly-home | piper69: you should have put something like PATH=$PATH:/sbin in there |
| 00:18.44 | blondie | "please pay money to see the answer" - fuck off |
| 00:18.49 | Jamsi | lol |
| 00:19.00 | jelly-home | blondie: or just scroll down, I think |
| 00:19.11 | Jamsi | Its good because people want to answer your question .. because they get points |
| 00:19.12 | Jamsi | or whatever |
| 00:19.20 | Jamsi | So its like a reward :) |
| 00:19.44 | blondie | I see |
| 00:19.59 | blondie | I prefer usenet |
| 00:20.05 | piper69 | jelly-home:this is what i got there |
| 00:20.09 | Dembug | jelly-home: yes onboard (sorry for late reply up late at work) |
| 00:20.13 | piper69 | jelly-home:this is what i got there "PATH=~/sbin:"${PATH}" |
| 00:20.43 | blondie | epsilon: there shouldn\t be a tilde there |
| 00:20.45 | jelly-home | piper69: delete that tilde there |
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| 00:21.05 | blondie | (where the hell is tilde on an american keyboard) |
| 00:21.11 | Dembug | ~ |
| 00:21.11 | Dembug | :P |
| 00:21.11 | piper69 | jelly-home: which one you guys talking about |
| 00:21.16 | jelly-home | blondie: left of 1 |
| 00:21.18 | blondie | the tilde. |
| 00:21.22 | blondie | ~ |
| 00:21.23 | Dembug | ` |
| 00:21.24 | blondie | oh |
| 00:21.31 | jelly-home | blondie: shifted, even |
| 00:21.40 | blondie | it should be shift-# :P |
| 00:21.49 | jelly-home | The sea! ~~~~~ |
| 00:21.50 | jelly-home | ~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 00:22.28 | piper69 | ifconfig |
| 00:22.33 | piper69 | errrrrrr |
| 00:22.48 | piper69 | omg that even didn't work |
| 00:23.12 | piper69 | sorry guys , i will just have to step out and go read a little bit |
| 00:23.32 | jelly-home | piper69: remeber to restart the shell or re-login after ed iting |
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| 00:23.54 | blondie | mwubergeek: no need to shout ;) |
| 00:24.02 | piper69 | jelly-home: blondie : will do and thank you guys so much ...will come back again tomorrow |
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| 00:24.27 | piper69 | exit |
| 00:24.50 | mwubergeek | I have the package db-4.5.20.tar.gz I would like to unzip it. What would be the command be |
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| 00:25.10 | Dembug | tar zxvf |
| 00:26.05 | mwubergeek | I get "gzip: stdin not in gzip format" |
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| 00:26.16 | heatman | after installin x-window-system, i get the following error: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 know processed) with 0 events remaining. |
| 00:26.28 | Zerial | mwubergeek, file db-4.5.20.tar.gz |
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| 00:27.46 | mwubergeek | OK. Its not tar.gz |
| 00:27.50 | mwubergeek | sorry |
| 00:27.52 | mwubergeek | just tar |
| 00:27.58 | Dembug | tar xvf |
| 00:28.00 | Zerial | mwubergeek, tar xfv file.tar |
| 00:28.12 | mwubergeek | thanks |
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| 00:30.07 | mwubergeek | there is no help on this in the file. how do I install berkeley DB |
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| 00:30.26 | Dembug | lool |
| 00:30.42 | Dembug | find a howto mwubergeek |
| 00:31.28 | Dembug | stuff like that is simple to find out |
| 00:31.30 | heatman | after installin x-window-system, i get the following error: XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 know processed) with 0 events remaining. Anyone know how to fix that problem? |
| 00:31.39 | Dembug | eek |
| 00:32.55 | Dembug | what x-server are you using heatman? |
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| 00:32.55 | heatman | Dembug, the one on 31r4-i3's cds |
| 00:33.18 | Dembug | ohh |
| 00:33.59 | Dembug | try a different x-server maybe? |
| 00:34.36 | heatman | Dembug: is that the full name of the packageÉ |
| 00:34.36 | heatman | ?* |
| 00:34.43 | Dembug | apt-cache search xorg |
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| 00:36.15 | SlimG | how should i separate the items in a param like this? --requires=<list> |
| 00:36.17 | SlimG | it's a list of deb packages (checkinstall param) |
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| 00:38.18 | dondelelcaro | SlimG: generally commas is used, but it depends on the parser. |
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| 00:46.34 | SlimG | dondelelcaro: figured it out: --requires="item1, item2, item3" |
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| 00:46.55 | SlimG | dondelelcaro: thanks for your help! |
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| 00:54.33 | Drizzt321 | yay! I figured out sata hotswap |
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| 00:56.47 | Dembug | Drizzt321 pld |
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| 00:56.56 | Dembug | im fiddling with sata 300 raid-0 |
| 00:57.12 | Dembug | not sure if the super O case is designed for hotswap nor the mobo :D |
| 00:57.20 | Dembug | since its raid 0 it doesnt matter :P |
| 00:57.22 | Dembug | but it could be raid 1 :D |
| 00:57.27 | Drizzt321 | Dembug: ahh |
| 00:57.32 | Drizzt321 | I used a tool called scsiadd |
| 00:57.36 | Dembug | ohhh |
| 00:57.38 | Dembug | sexy |
| 00:57.44 | Drizzt321 | first you need to make sure your controller supports it, than the drivers support it |
| 00:57.51 | Dembug | hah |
| 00:57.57 | Drizzt321 | generally speaking, all sata devices (end point, like hdd) support it also |
| 00:58.03 | Dembug | i doubt it, im using a gigabyte ga-965-GM-S2 |
| 00:58.10 | Drizzt321 | what chipset? |
| 00:58.13 | Drizzt321 | sil/sil24? |
| 00:58.14 | Dembug | intel 965 |
| 00:58.18 | Dembug | yeah it probably is sil |
| 00:58.21 | Dembug | sil3114 |
| 00:58.22 | Drizzt321 | lspci it |
| 00:58.22 | Dembug | or something :) |
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| 00:58.43 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:59.00 | Dembug | Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge. |
| 00:59.21 | Drizzt321 | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#sil |
| 00:59.30 | stoned | hi |
| 00:59.33 | Dembug | nice one Drizzt321, thanks dude |
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| 00:59.41 | Drizzt321 | yw |
| 00:59.47 | Dembug | im almost positive its 3114 btw :D |
| 00:59.51 | Dembug | at least the sata chip is. :P |
| 00:59.58 | appreciate_it | hi , niggaz ! |
| 00:59.59 | Drizzt321 | gotcha |
| 01:00.35 | stoned | appreciate_it, refrain from such language. You might mean it harmless, but people might take offence etc. Just a heads up |
| 01:00.52 | appreciate_it | ok |
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| 01:01.22 | appreciate_it | why are you ban people with tor connection ? |
| 01:01.30 | Dembug | hmm |
| 01:01.37 | Dembug | as in a tor proxy? |
| 01:01.57 | stoned | appreciate_it, anonymous people like to come in sometimes and cause trouble. Other than that, don't worry about it. |
| 01:02.01 | gravity | appreciate_it: Because most everyone the channel ever gets from tor is outright trolls |
| 01:02.16 | appreciate_it | yes i mean that this channel bans clients connected through tor network ? why ? |
| 01:02.33 | stoned | appreciate_it, two people just told you. Now you know, drop it. |
| 01:02.49 | Dembug | haha |
| 01:02.52 | Dembug | tortrolls |
| 01:02.52 | ndowens | well i am still waiting on my debian dvds, right now i am using atleast one based on it heh |
| 01:03.12 | Dembug | ndowens why not get from mirror or jigdo and burn yourself? |
| 01:03.19 | Dembug | you just like debian memoribilia or something , hehe. |
| 01:03.27 | stoned | I print debian stickers :) |
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| 01:03.33 | Dembug | heh |
| 01:03.46 | Dembug | thats cool stoned |
| 01:03.48 | Dembug | do you smoke dope too? |
| 01:03.49 | stoned | custom ones, one of these days I'll show them off on my website |
| 01:03.55 | ndowens | Dembug, way toooo slow |
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| 01:04.02 | stoned | wow, you're the millionth person to ask me that :) |
| 01:04.12 | stoned | exactly 1 millionth, I kept a count |
| 01:04.16 | Dembug | i hate it when i get a burning smell from my mobo |
| 01:04.17 | Dembug | lawl |
| 01:04.33 | Xorm | hah |
| 01:04.43 | stoned | heh, I've got a prescott p4 2.4ghz overclocked to 3.2 with stock cooling |
| 01:04.45 | Dembug | yesterday i connected an 0.86A 12V fan to a mobo |
| 01:04.48 | Dembug | btw: dont do this. |
| 01:04.50 | stoned | fsb clocked from 133 to 166mhz |
| 01:04.53 | Xorm | One time I found an old computer, and I had an old mac monitor that fit a connector on the back |
| 01:04.56 | Dembug | results in blue smoke ;-) |
| 01:04.58 | Drizzt321 | lol |
| 01:05.01 | stoned | I forget the multiplier. its not burned, its running a debian server :) |
| 01:05.04 | Xorm | so, I hooked it up, and turned it on... |
| 01:05.09 | Dembug | !! :D |
| 01:05.11 | Xorm | And instantly it's pouring smoke. |
| 01:05.18 | stoned | temps range from 55-60C on this overclock |
| 01:05.20 | Drizzt321 | well, I had one of those 60mm 6K rpm cpu fan's at one point in time...the mobo header eventually burned out. |
| 01:05.27 | Drizzt321 | at least it didn't smoke though |
| 01:05.28 | Dembug | holy cow |
| 01:05.34 | Dembug | hehe |
| 01:05.35 | Xorm | O-o |
| 01:05.39 | Drizzt321 | you get pictures? |
| 01:05.41 | Dembug | this mobo header is now unusable |
| 01:05.42 | Drizzt321 | or video? |
| 01:05.44 | Dembug | luckily it was south bridge |
| 01:05.58 | Drizzt321 | yea, at least it wasn't the mobo that burned out |
| 01:06.07 | Dembug | aye |
| 01:06.11 | Dembug | i turned it off as soon as i saw it |
| 01:06.22 | Dembug | pissed me off actually |
| 01:06.29 | Dembug | wasnt a big issue though |
| 01:06.34 | Dembug | was quite fun |
| 01:06.38 | Dembug | especially when its not your hardware :: |
| 01:07.01 | Dembug | ahh crap |
| 01:07.07 | Dembug | sound is always last in my kernel compiles |
| 01:07.20 | Dembug | ive compiled sound in with this debian box, im such a wally, its a production server |
| 01:07.20 | Dembug | ;( |
| 01:07.38 | Dembug | sodit, it can go in like this and stay that way. |
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| 01:08.59 | ndowens | so atleast i am on a debian based, but on ubuntu(yuck i know) but i am hoping the dvds comes in tomorrow and i will install it |
| 01:09.15 | stoned | why not just do a net install? |
| 01:09.18 | stoned | you on dialup? |
| 01:09.26 | ndowens | stoned, yep |
| 01:09.27 | comfrey | hey all... how to determine which sound card is which dsp using alsa-oss |
| 01:09.28 | comfrey | ? |
| 01:09.55 | stoned | ndowens, this is the new millenium |
| 01:10.00 | stoned | might wanna move into it |
| 01:10.01 | stoned | :) |
| 01:10.16 | stoned | unless of course, you live in the the middle of nowhere |
| 01:10.24 | Dembug | heh |
| 01:10.29 | Dembug | dialup eek |
| 01:10.37 | Dembug | im on like 8mbit now, and cant live without it |
| 01:10.43 | stoned | you know, if you were dilligent, you could download the debian cd in like 1 day |
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| 01:10.53 | stoned | or maybe 2 |
| 01:10.58 | Dembug | my provider has given me such a terrible dsl modem that i heard a "pop" - probably a capacitor :) now its 50ms instead of 8ms |
| 01:10.59 | ndowens | stoned, i am in nowhere land |
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| 01:11.01 | Dembug | quite annoying tbfh |
| 01:11.22 | Dembug | least im not a gaymer or id be bitching all day long like our customers |
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| 01:14.27 | Eroick | Abi says it can't find any fonts. How do I configure my font file? |
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| 01:17.01 | Eroick | AbiWord that is... |
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| 01:17.49 | stoned | Eroick, afaik, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 01:17.59 | Eroick | stoned: its been tried |
| 01:18.10 | stoned | Eroick, just answering your question :) |
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| 01:18.21 | Eroick | stoned: :) thanks |
| 01:20.06 | stoned | Eroick, have you tried #abiword |
| 01:20.17 | Eroick | yep |
| 01:20.35 | stoned | it doesn't seem like a debian issue imo, seems like your X fonts are fine, unless other x apps can't use the same fonts |
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| 01:21.01 | stoned | I don't even know if what I just said makes any grammatical sense |
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| 01:21.34 | stoned | !sex dvs |
| 01:21.34 | dpkg | dvs is about 3% female |
| 01:21.39 | quhan | hi, is there someone tell me how to use the snapshot of qemu? |
| 01:21.40 | stoned | doh |
| 01:21.49 | dvs | ahh! |
| 01:21.59 | stoned | life's a bitch huh dvs |
| 01:22.04 | dvs | damn! |
| 01:22.15 | stoned | quhan, never used it, try #qemu hehe |
| 01:22.28 | stoned | I dunno if anyone is around besides me right now, haven't seen anyone say anything |
| 01:22.35 | stoned | well, dvs n stuff |
| 01:22.38 | quhan | i ask there, but get no reply |
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| 01:23.24 | quhan | and another question, how can i read the manual in x |
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| 01:23.35 | stoned | xman |
| 01:23.38 | stoned | I think |
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| 01:24.18 | efaistos_ | I just saw that spamassassin is removeing some mails it shouldnt ... is there a way to configure that ... |
| 01:24.30 | efaistos_ | s/removeing/removing |
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| 01:24.55 | superlinux | hello |
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| 01:26.18 | Drizzt321 | Dembug: scsiadd working for you? |
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| 01:32.34 | karsten | WTF is a GART error? |
| 01:32.57 | karsten | !gart |
| 01:32.57 | dpkg | methinks gart is Graphics Address Re-Mapping Table. |
| 01:32.58 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 01:33.04 | karsten | !win dpkg |
| 01:33.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 01:33.11 | karsten | Google was bing fscking useless. |
| 01:33.12 | karsten | being. |
| 01:33.12 | shwag | what should I change in /etc/sshd so that my server doesnt log me out ? |
| 01:33.30 | karsten | shwag: On the *local* system, your tcp timeout value. |
| 01:33.51 | shwag | karsten: why not on the server ? |
| 01:34.02 | karsten | shwag: Because that's the wrong place for it. |
| 01:34.07 | shwag | karsten: says who! |
| 01:34.21 | karsten | shwag: Me. |
| 01:34.26 | shwag | karsten: who the hell are you! |
| 01:34.41 | karsten | shwag: Someone who's _not_ going to give you the answer you're looking for. |
| 01:34.51 | shwag | karsten: because you dont know. |
| 01:35.02 | pstickne | uhm. |
| 01:35.04 | karsten | shwag: Um. Don't abuse those who are helping you. |
| 01:35.36 | shwag | karsten: its a gentlemens debate. |
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| 01:37.05 | pstickne | hmm. it seems ClientAliveInterval for version 2. |
| 01:37.13 | pstickne | (or ServerAliveInterval from the client) |
| 01:37.33 | pstickne | damn using "man" to lookup information |
| 01:37.38 | karsten | pstickne: ... which is something that can be fixed by sending client-side keepalives. Which isn't an sshd setting at all. |
| 01:37.53 | karsten | pstickne: ... or (hint) an ssh setting. |
| 01:37.56 | pstickne | karsten, I don't doubt that at all |
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| 01:38.09 | karsten | pstickne: Sucks to be a rude, arrogant asshole, I guess. |
| 01:38.19 | karsten | pstickne: ... not referring to yourself of course. |
| 01:38.24 | pstickne | karsten, hehe |
| 01:38.33 | Ronin | karsten: talking to or about me? :) |
| 01:38.42 | karsten | Ronin: Hush, sweetie. |
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| 01:46.11 | Lonnie | enouf_; I managed to get that miserable rodent working. Went back to the 2.4.17 kernel, installed all the goodies I could find for the 2.6.18 kernel, edited GRUB so it was looking for the proper vmlinuz image, rebooted and it is working fine. |
| 01:46.31 | Lonnie | Again, I thank you all for getting me back on the right track. |
| 01:47.01 | dvs | uh ok |
| 01:48.27 | Lonnie | Evening geo-rge. |
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| 01:50.13 | karsten | pstickne: /msg ? |
| 01:50.28 | pstickne | karsten, if you want |
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| 01:51.14 | SJr|Work | Hmmmm anyone know where /dev/shm is physically? |
| 01:51.24 | Lonnie | dpkg; I won. |
| 01:51.34 | dvs | !win Lonnie |
| 01:51.34 | dpkg | Congratulations, Lonnie! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:51.39 | dvs | $10! |
| 01:52.21 | shwag | so phpmyadmin setup generate /var/lib/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php do I move this to /etc/phpmyadmin/ ? |
| 01:52.24 | Lonnie | Oh, I Seriously doubt that, unless all the contestants are middle aged fat boys. |
| 01:53.21 | Lonnie | dpkg; But I did get the 2.6.18 kernel and the mouse working on my Debian system, so I am a happy camper again. |
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| 01:54.41 | sciboy | Hey guys, what am i missing that's causing this? http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/17/helpsb3.jpg |
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| 01:56.29 | Pons | sciboy, it seems that it is loading a font that doesn't match the characters |
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| 01:56.53 | jelly-home | !blocks |
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| 01:57.24 | sciboy | Pons, Well, is there some default fonts that what ever the library for that dialog would depend on? |
| 01:57.45 | Pons | i think it depends on xfonts |
| 01:57.56 | sciboy | I'll give that a go then. |
| 01:57.56 | Pons | but if X starts that should be enough |
| 01:58.51 | Lonnie | Nite |
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| 02:00.07 | jelly-home | this is gtk+ probably uses ttf fonts |
| 02:00.53 | jelly-home | but it's not only a font problem -- some button icons are missing too |
| 02:02.03 | jelly-home | sciboy: I'd try changing the font and theme setting in xfce's settings manager -> User Interface |
| 02:03.17 | jelly-home | sciboy: (I'm guessing you're using xfce from the window decoration looks) |
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| 02:08.05 | sciboy | jelly-home, Yup. |
| 02:08.22 | linux_jones | why does my mouse move way slow and my computer run noticable slower on etch? |
| 02:08.31 | sciboy | Pango-CRITICAL **: _pango_cairo_font_map_get_renderer: assertion `PANGO_IS_CAIRO_FONT_MAP (fontmap)' failed |
| 02:08.39 | sciboy | There's the culprit. |
| 02:09.13 | Drizzt321 | anyone know of an XFS driver for windows? I know, I know, I probably should be hurt for asking...but really, anyone know of one? |
| 02:11.04 | linux_jones | anyone? |
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| 02:13.20 | Kensey | I just installed squid, and can't get it to allow me any http access. I'm using an ssh forward with acls to allow the local nets (on the other end) to have http_access. |
| 02:13.52 | Kensey | so I'm portforwarding client:13128 to host:3128; squid is running on host:3128. |
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| 02:14.28 | Kensey | the acls are: acl localnets src 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 |
| 02:14.28 | _Sam-- | you sure you ahve your acl access list right |
| 02:15.41 | Kensey | and http_access allow localhost localnets |
| 02:15.42 | _Sam-- | you are trying to an ssh tunnel to your squid? |
| 02:15.42 | Kensey | I even tried http_access allow localhost localnets all |
| 02:15.42 | _Sam-- | to do |
| 02:15.43 | Kensey | yeah |
| 02:15.43 | _Sam-- | did you try it without the tunnelling to make sure its ok? |
| 02:15.43 | _Sam-- | like just plain port forward from the outside to 3128 squid |
| 02:15.53 | Kensey | without the tunneling I have to punch a hole in my wireless router to forward a port through |
| 02:16.03 | _Sam-- | but it does work? |
| 02:16.04 | Kensey | might try that next though. |
| 02:16.25 | Kensey | I'm just now setting this up from work, have to be connected locally to manage my router |
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| 02:16.48 | linux_jones | does anybody know why my mouse moves crazy slow? |
| 02:16.49 | Kensey | (the whole setup except for the client is at home) |
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| 02:16.58 | _Sam-- | sounds like you know what you're doing...so as long as you can forward around what you need to i cant imagine it'll be that hard for ya |
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| 02:17.18 | Kensey | linux_jones: you might need to fiddle your mouse acceleration |
| 02:17.36 | _Sam-- | what is the preferred imapd server? uw-imapd? |
| 02:17.36 | hosler | Can anyone give me a link to a Debian Firewall howto? |
| 02:17.44 | _Sam-- | google can |
| 02:17.48 | linux_jones | kensey in the gnome contole center its turned all the way up |
| 02:18.42 | hosler | _Sam--, its not helping that well. Actualy, im looking for a control panel to help configure firewall rules. Im looking for a setup similar to IPCop, but on a Debian Sarge system. |
| 02:18.59 | heatman | can anyone tell me how i can specify the X GUI after installing both KDE and Gnome |
| 02:19.27 | _Sam-- | hosler: sorry my friend....i dont even run a GUI |
| 02:19.54 | gravity | heatman: How are getting in to X? |
| 02:20.20 | nk | heatman: guess to remember that it's in /etc/default_??? |
| 02:20.21 | heatman | gravity: using startx |
| 02:20.38 | linux_jones | what is the dpkg-reconfigure for the xserver thing |
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| 02:20.49 | gravity | !drxx |
| 02:20.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:21.35 | _Sam-- | what are the advantages of imap over pop3 email fetching? |
| 02:21.35 | gravity | heatman: Create a ~/.xsession file. In it, if you want to run gnome, put the line "gnome-session". If you want to run kde, I think it's startkde. If you want to run something else, put that in there. |
| 02:21.54 | heatman | gravity: ty |
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| 02:23.25 | _Sam-- | nevermind |
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| 02:26.16 | linux_jones | how do i figure out what xserver i have |
| 02:26.54 | gravity | linux_jones: X -version |
| 02:28.05 | hosler | Does anyone know how to get ipcop, or something similar installed on a debian system? |
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| 02:28.24 | linux_jones | ok it says xwindows version whatever, so what do i use for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-????? |
| 02:28.33 | gravity | What version? |
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| 02:28.54 | linux_jones | 7.1.1 |
| 02:28.57 | gravity | xorg |
| 02:29.53 | dendrite | hosler: What is 'ipcop' ? |
| 02:30.08 | hosler | dendrite, a linux firewall distrobution |
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| 02:30.45 | geo-rge | debian can be a perfectly good firewall |
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| 02:30.51 | dendrite | hosler: Depending on your specific needs, a simple iptables script may be all you need. |
| 02:30.51 | Dembug | hi all , Im having some strange problems with my 2.6.19-rc3 kernel yet again (sorry) , Im using the 2.6.19-rc3 unofficial backport netboot cd, and you know what? It's great... until I added a Raid 0 stripe , now lm-sensors 2.10.1 doesnt work, and im modprobing i2c-dev as normal but something isnt right, I dont get an smbus/ISA choice in sensors-detect, how the hell could raid 0 do that? :<<< |
| 02:31.20 | dendrite | hosler: A simple script has the advantages of being small and simple and transparent, and also of coferring to you some understanding of iptables. |
| 02:31.29 | dendrite | conferring, even. |
| 02:31.51 | Dembug | hehe |
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| 02:32.28 | geo-rge | plus if a masqing gateway is what you're really after, it's just install one package, done |
| 02:33.15 | Dembug | meh im officially fedup. I've several machines and lm-sensors 2.10.1 worked great... until i used raid 0 :< |
| 02:33.40 | Dembug | it modprobes, but lm-sensors is now different, It must be something to do with boottime and sensors-detect, but what I can't think of |
| 02:33.50 | geo-rge | all machines failed in thie circumstance? |
| 02:33.54 | Dembug | nope |
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| 02:34.02 | Dembug | just this latest one ;< they are all identical boxxen |
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| 02:34.12 | Dembug | its since ive added this raid 0 , same kernel, same backport etc |
| 02:34.20 | Dembug | even the same version of lm-sensors |
| 02:34.30 | geo-rge | did you add raid-0 to any of the others? |
| 02:34.36 | Dembug | nope :< |
| 02:34.40 | Dembug | i did a raid 1 though |
| 02:34.42 | Dembug | seems fine |
| 02:34.54 | geo-rge | on a different machine? |
| 02:34.59 | Dembug | no all the machines are identical |
| 02:35.00 | Dembug | :D |
| 02:35.07 | Dembug | I'm really gobsmacked |
| 02:35.23 | Dembug | i modprobe i2c-dev like normal, run sensors-detect, but i get no smbus/ISA controller option for some strange reason |
| 02:35.27 | geo-rge | ok, there's a communication problem going here |
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| 02:35.52 | geo-rge | give the machine that's failing with raid0 a name |
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| 02:36.13 | Dembug | it has one, "loki" :) |
| 02:36.17 | Dembug | apt name , tbh |
| 02:36.22 | Stevie-O | well then |
| 02:36.36 | geo-rge | ok, howbout the machine that you have working raid1 on? |
| 02:36.42 | Stevie-O | I found a minor glitch with the Debian partitioner |
| 02:36.45 | Dembug | well thats called socrates actually :) |
| 02:36.46 | Dembug | ehh |
| 02:36.49 | Dembug | *heh |
| 02:36.56 | Dembug | no im not joking dude |
| 02:36.57 | geo-rge | ok, cool :) |
| 02:37.01 | Dembug | every single thing about these machines are identical :) |
| 02:37.21 | geo-rge | but I still want to refer to them individually |
| 02:37.25 | Dembug | only thing thats different is the raid, which is great, because i know what it is at least |
| 02:37.30 | Dembug | Ok geo-rge |
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| 02:37.54 | Dembug | well socrates is running a 2.6.19-rc3 backport just like loki. Socrates has raid 1 but lok has raid 0. |
| 02:38.21 | geo-rge | had you tried raid0 on any machine besides loki? |
| 02:38.30 | Dembug | usually i will just modprobe i2c-dev , install latest lm-sensors 2.10.1 make user; make user_install; sensors-detect, reboot, DONE, works. |
| 02:38.35 | geo-rge | (among all the identical ones) |
| 02:38.44 | Dembug | nope this is the first time ive tried raid 0 |
| 02:38.49 | geo-rge | ok |
| 02:38.52 | Dembug | im 100% positive it can be the only thing causing it. |
| 02:39.00 | dendrite | Dembug: I don't suppose you want to bother swapping the RAID hardware between the two machines? |
| 02:39.04 | Dembug | Just heh, im out of ideas how to fix it, after several installs |
| 02:39.05 | geo-rge | tested ram, that kind of thing? |
| 02:39.11 | Dembug | yeah sure ;) |
| 02:39.19 | Dembug | all these machines are tested carefully |
| 02:39.31 | Dembug | memtest, mprime etc |
| 02:39.43 | dendrite | Dembug: Well, RAID 0 is a disaster waiting to happen anyhow. :-) |
| 02:39.49 | Dembug | Im basically getting "no sensors found" |
| 02:39.55 | pipeline | I set up a 13-drive RAID-0 the other day :) |
| 02:39.58 | Dembug | dendrite: heh ive been running raid 5. |
| 02:40.16 | Dembug | dendrite: ive been asked for high performance soo :) give them stripe and add a mirror when i can ehehe |
| 02:40.21 | Dembug | wow pipeline |
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| 02:40.44 | dendrite | Dembug: What can ya do, eh? |
| 02:40.47 | Dembug | geo-rge: its totally the raid 0 causing it, your right. |
| 02:41.01 | Dembug | dendrite: commit suicide in this case |
| 02:41.25 | dendrite | Dembug: Nah, you're not done torturing your clients!!! =) |
| 02:41.31 | Dembug | hahaha |
| 02:41.31 | geo-rge | I'd be curious to know whether a raid0 setup on another machine will yield the same result |
| 02:41.38 | Dembug | dendrite: business as usual i think |
| 02:41.48 | Dembug | geo-rge aye, i think its a problem at init boot time |
| 02:41.52 | Dembug | when md0 is mounting |
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| 02:41.59 | yassine | gn8 everyone |
| 02:42.03 | Dembug | its almost definately related to the cramfs issue on debian systems |
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| 02:42.12 | Dembug | not to be confused with the "corrupt initrd" issues |
| 02:42.32 | Dembug | Anyway guys, thats my thinking |
| 02:42.47 | Dembug | raid is doing something at init 1 or 2, i think it is? |
| 02:43.10 | Dembug | simply for lm-sensors to complain there is no module is bizarre |
| 02:43.18 | geo-rge | what if you tried literally swapping the drives between an identical machine that's not socrates and not loki, with loki |
| 02:43.24 | Dembug | heh |
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| 02:43.33 | Dembug | you actually really think it could be the hard drives? |
| 02:43.42 | Dembug | like some sort of raid conflict, with the names of the drives? |
| 02:43.52 | Dembug | i bet the damn supplier has given me slightly different drives. |
| 02:43.54 | devian | how do I (easyest way) change screenmode in X? |
| 02:43.55 | Dembug | fucking morons |
| 02:43.59 | geo-rge | dunno what to think :) but the result would narrow things down |
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| 02:44.05 | dendrite | Dembug: Well, that would eliminate a lot of corner cases. |
| 02:44.16 | Ronin | Dembug: ya think? no such thing as identical hardware |
| 02:44.24 | Dembug | hard drives there is |
| 02:44.25 | dendrite | 21:38 < dendrite> Dembug: I don't suppose you want to bother swapping the RAID hardware between the two machines? |
| 02:44.35 | dendrite | Dembug: Not even hard drives. |
| 02:44.37 | Dembug | heh . not really :O this is about my 30th install |
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| 02:44.44 | Dembug | im going to have to try without raid 0 though on this one |
| 02:44.48 | dendrite | Dembug: Don't reinstall, just swap. |
| 02:44.57 | Dembug | hmm |
| 02:45.01 | Dembug | interesting idea |
| 02:45.07 | geo-rge | yeah, if you swap n boot, then the other machine becomes loki |
| 02:45.08 | Dembug | i hadnt though of that |
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| 02:45.15 | Dembug | your so much superior to my intellect |
| 02:45.22 | dendrite | Dembug: Since the hardware is more or less identical, you should either see the problem change, or not... |
| 02:45.26 | linux_jones | i think theres something wrong with my swap space, how do i find out for sure? |
| 02:45.32 | Dembug | Think i need to finish this cig first, i mean really.. this is rediculous as much as i love debian ;-) |
| 02:45.32 | geo-rge | it's because I eat better pizza :) |
| 02:45.37 | amphi | devian: xrandr perhaps |
| 02:45.44 | Dembug | geo-rge: hahaha |
| 02:45.49 | Dembug | its true, im on a diet now :< |
| 02:45.57 | Dembug | gf left me for ubuntu |
| 02:45.57 | odla | Dembug, is that why you're smoking? |
| 02:46.08 | Dembug | naa im smoking because im just generally a loser |
| 02:46.14 | amphi | linux_jones: why do you think that? you could always swapoff, mkswap, and swapon again |
| 02:46.14 | dendrite | linux_jones: Does 'free' show swap? |
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| 02:47.12 | geo-rge | Dembug, just take any US country song, and play it backwards |
| 02:47.16 | Dembug | haha |
| 02:47.21 | Dembug | been there, done that. |
| 02:47.31 | Dembug | got the badge, and the tin foil hat :) |
| 02:47.43 | Dembug | that increases radiomicrowave resonance, ;< |
| 02:47.47 | linux_jones | dendrite, yes it dose show swap, but my computer is running way slower now |
| 02:47.53 | Dembug | geo-rge: oh cruel world |
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| 02:47.58 | geo-rge | and the teeshirt with the picture of the rat? :) |
| 02:48.03 | Dembug | hahaahah |
| 02:48.15 | Dembug | i have an X-files "oil" shirt |
| 02:48.17 | Dembug | does that count? :D |
| 02:48.19 | dendrite | linux_jones: Any time you use a lot of swap, your system will crawl. |
| 02:48.38 | Dembug | unless you have 10GB of multiple disk swap raid 5 LVM |
| 02:48.41 | Dembug | its quite fun :O |
| 02:48.48 | Dembug | i lost interest after a year though |
| 02:49.32 | geo-rge | lvm on a hardware raid5 must be nice... |
| 02:49.49 | Dembug | heh |
| 02:49.52 | Dembug | yeah dude |
| 02:49.56 | Dembug | X2 4400+ |
| 02:50.07 | Dembug | 2GB 2-2-2-5 PC3200 in 1GB sticks @ 1T |
| 02:50.22 | Dembug | and the raid 5 ;-) i was cheaky, and used 3 drives + 1 spare.. bit cheap. |
| 02:50.35 | Dembug | fantastic io though |
| 02:50.38 | linux_jones | is 15704 alot? |
| 02:50.50 | Dembug | lol |
| 02:50.58 | Dembug | 15704 what? |
| 02:51.05 | Stevie-O | bits |
| 02:51.07 | geo-rge | yeah, depends on the units :) |
| 02:51.22 | Dembug | should be about 2.5X the ram |
| 02:51.26 | Stevie-O | 15704 bits RAM |
| 02:51.27 | geo-rge | no, but 15704 kibbles is slightly more volume |
| 02:51.40 | Stevie-O | no, 15704 liters is more volume |
| 02:51.45 | Dembug | haha |
| 02:52.11 | geo-rge | or 15704 dB |
| 02:52.11 | Dembug | the noise of these 1U fans is causing me brain damage |
| 02:52.18 | Dembug | lawl snap |
| 02:52.39 | dendrite | Dembug: Slap some Peltier junctions on those suckers! :-) |
| 02:52.45 | geo-rge | sheesh :) don't hang in the server room :) |
| 02:52.46 | Dembug | heh i have 10 x 110W's |
| 02:52.54 | Dembug | i need a stupid psu if i want to do anything useful though ;( |
| 02:52.59 | linux_jones | thats just what free says is used swap |
| 02:53.07 | Stevie-O | george: That's pretty loud (sound) or strong (signal) or great amplficiation (signal delta) |
| 02:53.28 | Dembug | heh Stevie-O: consider the db of a supernova if there was an atmosphere |
| 02:53.33 | Dembug | that'd be brain shattering |
| 02:53.35 | Dembug | :D |
| 02:53.40 | geo-rge | Stevie-O, yeah, really loud, or strong or large difference :) |
| 02:54.20 | geo-rge | I guess when you ignore the effects of the supernova itself, it could be pretty loud :) |
| 02:54.27 | Dembug | haha |
| 02:54.40 | Dembug | aye its truly fascinating stuff.. |
| 02:54.51 | Dembug | was watching a program on neutron stars and black holes |
| 02:54.58 | geo-rge | "HEY MARS!! Close your windows would ya?" |
| 02:55.04 | Dembug | lawl |
| 02:55.19 | Dembug | "thats bright!!!!!!!!! what is it?" "gamma, owned." |
| 02:55.37 | geo-rge | heh |
| 02:55.39 | Dembug | scary prospect actually :O) if you value your processor |
| 02:55.40 | Dembug | hehehe |
| 02:56.07 | Dembug | even with an atmosphere there are still stray particles |
| 02:56.09 | Kage` | Can someone help me with screen? |
| 02:56.16 | Kage` | It's suddenly not working right L/ |
| 02:56.17 | Dembug | sounds easy enough Kage` ;-) |
| 02:56.17 | Kage` | :/^ |
| 02:56.23 | Ronin | define not workign right |
| 02:56.24 | Stevie-O | it's working left? |
| 02:56.28 | Ronin | damn i type that a lot |
| 02:56.31 | Dembug | its working middle :O |
| 02:56.38 | Kage` | Dembug, ok, know how you can do `screen -t NAME`, and recall that screen using `screen -r NAME` |
| 02:56.41 | Kage` | Right? |
| 02:56.42 | Dembug | oki.. time to get these drives :D |
| 02:56.49 | Dembug | screen -S name |
| 02:56.52 | Dembug | screen -x name or PID |
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| 02:57.29 | Dembug | ok chaps time to test this lm-sensors problem by swapping drives |
| 02:57.29 | Kage` | Dembug, oh dammit |
| 02:57.37 | Kage` | I've been doing the wrong param :/ |
| 02:57.39 | Kage` | Thanks :P |
| 02:58.08 | Stevie-O | swapping drives? |
| 02:58.14 | Stevie-O | what the hell kind of sensors are you using? |
| 02:58.49 | geo-rge | Have you been doing the wrong parameters? Have they come back to haunt you? Is your command structure melting into the pressure cooker? |
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| 02:59.40 | geo-rge | Enquiring minds want to know! |
| 02:59.55 | Stevie-O | what the hell? |
| 03:00.09 | Stevie-O | also, I think it's Inquiring |
| 03:00.21 | Dembug | Kage`: np m8 |
| 03:00.33 | Dembug | moment of truth :> |
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| 03:01.48 | geo-rge | let me make sure I understand here... the raid0 worked but the sensors failed? |
| 03:01.58 | Dembug | yessir |
| 03:02.02 | pstickne | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 # did something change? |
| 03:02.08 | Dembug | drives are swapped, booting up |
| 03:02.24 | Dembug | yup |
| 03:02.26 | Dembug | sensors work |
| 03:02.27 | Dembug | ehehhe |
| 03:02.28 | pstickne | ohh, hmm, ran it again and it worked. strange. |
| 03:02.37 | geo-rge | ok, so it's the hardware |
| 03:02.43 | Dembug | aye :) |
| 03:02.49 | Dembug | well.. the software |
| 03:02.52 | Dembug | hardware works ;) |
| 03:03.05 | pstickne | no sirens going off from the controller? o.o |
| 03:03.06 | Dembug | soo you think its the physical drives? or? |
| 03:03.07 | geo-rge | wait, sensors work on the original loki? |
| 03:03.12 | Dembug | yes :) |
| 03:03.22 | Dembug | sensors work on both with the disks swapped from socrates :) |
| 03:03.51 | geo-rge | ok, so the new socrates is the old loki? |
| 03:04.05 | Dembug | yup |
| 03:04.20 | Dembug | only difference one was raid 0 and one was raid 1 |
| 03:04.24 | geo-rge | (if you didn't change hostnames, then loki went with the drives) |
| 03:04.29 | dendrite | Dembug: Now all you have to do is forget everything! :-) |
| 03:04.35 | Dembug | dendrite lol :( |
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| 03:04.45 | geo-rge | which machine did you boot? |
| 03:04.59 | geo-rge | the new socrates/old loki? |
| 03:05.01 | Dembug | ok geo-rge.. as you asked i swapped the hdd's from a machine that sensors worked. |
| 03:05.09 | Dembug | i.e. moving from working socrates, to loki |
| 03:05.12 | Dembug | and sensors now poll |
| 03:05.33 | Dembug | the difference between the two machines is, loki was raid 0 and the socrates is raid 1 |
| 03:05.37 | Dembug | so raid 1 works on this hardware. |
| 03:05.37 | geo-rge | ok... howbout booting the new loki/old socrates? |
| 03:05.39 | dendrite | Dembug: Back. Away. Slowly... |
| 03:05.55 | Dembug | thats what i was saying to the server earlier |
| 03:06.23 | Dembug | i think i better just install with raid 1 |
| 03:06.26 | Dembug | its probably faster |
| 03:06.37 | Dembug | its too bad though because im going to lose 60MB/s read from a 140MB/s read |
| 03:06.49 | dendrite | Dembug: For reads, RAID1 isn't slower, usually... |
| 03:06.53 | geo-rge | well sure... but I took back my (too early) conclusion |
| 03:06.57 | Dembug | dendrite it is |
| 03:07.01 | Dembug | ive ran benchmarks :) |
| 03:07.12 | dendrite | Dembug: I bow to your metrics. |
| 03:07.23 | Dembug | heh well metrics they are , and nothing more :-) |
| 03:07.33 | Dembug | one sync's from drive to drive, the other is simultaneous access |
| 03:07.48 | Dembug | so the simultaneous is bound to have a greater bus speed (bandwidth) combined on each channel providing the controller can do it. |
| 03:07.55 | Dembug | not a faster seek time ;-) |
| 03:08.23 | geo-rge | oh, this -is- hardware raid? |
| 03:08.28 | Dembug | nope |
| 03:08.30 | Dembug | software |
| 03:08.49 | Dembug | software raid still depends on the hardware limitations per channel though. and the method of raid 0 and raid 1 are quite different |
| 03:09.20 | Dembug | i was saying to my friend mike the other day, i didnt get why mirror couldnt do simultaneous read access too and be just as fast as stripe, but actually reliable. |
| 03:09.27 | Dembug | turns out thats raid 0+1 or something ;-) |
| 03:09.31 | geo-rge | I'd like to see a multi-ide controller card with cpus per channel |
| 03:09.43 | Dembug | yum , sounds like something from uplink |
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| 03:10.56 | Dembug | right |
| 03:11.00 | Dembug | geo-rge: i know what the problem is |
| 03:11.06 | geo-rge | you do? |
| 03:11.10 | Dembug | the drives have fucking different firmwares |
| 03:11.11 | Dembug | no wonder. |
| 03:11.19 | Dembug | fucking supplier |
| 03:11.24 | Dembug | scuse my language |
| 03:11.33 | geo-rge | how would that affect sensors? |
| 03:11.47 | Dembug | from my understanding its important in raid that the drives are identical totally. |
| 03:11.48 | geo-rge | I'm not saying it wouldn't... I do find that strange tho |
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| 03:12.16 | Dembug | me too, but if the bus is screwing up |
| 03:12.16 | Dembug | isa/smbus |
| 03:12.16 | Dembug | i'd have some serious problems with sensors |
| 03:12.28 | Dembug | yes because ive had loki with one drive and that was fine. this must be it geo-rge |
| 03:12.45 | Dembug | i mean i could try raid 1. but its either ^ the above, or the raid 0 causing this issue |
| 03:12.49 | dendrite | Dembug: What supplier? |
| 03:12.54 | geo-rge | so the problem followed the drive |
| 03:12.55 | Dembug | scan.co.uk |
| 03:13.00 | Dembug | geo-rge aye |
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| 03:13.46 | Dembug | i can fix the problem by one of two things. A) dont use raid 0, use raid 1 which i know works on exact matched hardware and software B) replace drives with identical firmwares |
| 03:14.19 | Dembug | those are the only differences :-) and yeah geo-rge, the problem followed the hdd, so i'd say it was pretty resoundingly conclusive, right? |
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| 03:14.32 | Dembug | its ok, i can test for this i have another 2 hdd's |
| 03:14.39 | Dembug | brb :) |
| 03:14.41 | geo-rge | I'd be curious to know if the raid1 machine has matched drives (and therefore eliminate that possibility) |
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| 03:14.50 | Dembug | yes me too geo-rge :D |
| 03:14.57 | Dembug | going to grab the stock from downstairs bbias |
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| 03:15.34 | geo-rge | heh, just call me curious geo-rge :) |
| 03:15.46 | dendrite | :-) |
| 03:16.40 | nocti | what's the console command to download a website? thanks |
| 03:16.44 | geo-rge | or the same test but for the other machine would be, try doing raid1 using those drives... still problem? again, eliminates the possibility |
| 03:16.52 | geo-rge | man wget |
| 03:17.18 | nocti | geo-rge, hm is there another one? |
| 03:17.30 | geo-rge | dunno, maybe |
| 03:17.53 | geo-rge | apt-get downloads pieces of web sites |
| 03:18.00 | geo-rge | but not for that purpose |
| 03:18.09 | nocti | ah ok |
| 03:18.13 | nocti | thanks geo-rge |
| 03:18.39 | geo-rge | it also imposes additional structure that makes it not be a "website" |
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| 03:19.49 | geo-rge | Just call me UbuntuRHEL |
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| 03:20.09 | daedalus_ | !troll geo-rge |
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| 03:20.23 | daedalus_ | *pokes dpkg* |
| 03:20.32 | geo-rge | doesn't say anything about what I run :) |
| 03:20.39 | geo-rge | or what I ever tried even :) |
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| 03:21.25 | geo-rge | I did run redhat, umm, 2.0.something after my slackware died because I didn't expect anything bad to happen when I upgraded my libc :) |
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| 03:21.44 | Stevie-O | !pony geo-rge |
| 03:21.54 | Stevie-O | daedalus_: dpkg seems to be awake |
| 03:22.07 | geo-rge | I used it after that for a time... but I got tired of not being able to build things... so redhat was next |
| 03:22.21 | plugwash | sid seems to get new versions of libc quite frequently and they don't usually break stuff ;) |
| 03:22.23 | Stevie-O | ah, slackware. My first and only linux distro until I found Debian |
| 03:23.06 | sandman | Same. |
| 03:23.09 | geo-rge | plugwash: I upgraded pretty far :) (and it was my own libc build too) |
| 03:23.46 | plugwash | i think i tried redhat and failed, tried slackware and failed, tried mandrake with some success (i had a working system but i certainly didn't understand its package management) and then discovered debian |
| 03:24.22 | plugwash | think i also used knoppix for a while |
| 03:24.59 | geo-rge | sid is of course allowed to break like that... if (say) libc is upgraded to a new major version, then everything else needs to be rebuilt to still work (ok, that's usually but not always the case, and not necessarily the case with every executable) |
| 03:25.02 | Stevie-O | knoppix isn't really a distro |
| 03:25.04 | Dembug | :) |
| 03:25.12 | Stevie-O | Although I'd like to see a Gentoo livecd |
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| 03:25.18 | Dembug | geo-rge: right firmwares matched, AEE AEE instead of AEE AAC |
| 03:25.18 | Stevie-O | takes 12 hours to boot |
| 03:25.42 | geo-rge | so that's on the socrates drives? |
| 03:26.06 | Dembug | geo-rge i have 6 blanks here |
| 03:26.07 | Dembug | ;) |
| 03:26.07 | Kevin` | what's the name of the program that will download a base debian system to a specified dir? |
| 03:26.18 | Dembug | just matched the drives firmware mate |
| 03:26.19 | geo-rge | umm |
| 03:26.22 | Stevie-O | debootstrap |
| 03:26.24 | geo-rge | debootstrap? |
| 03:26.25 | Kevin` | ty |
| 03:26.45 | geo-rge | ftp? :) |
| 03:26.57 | dendrite | Heh. Gentoo Live CD. Niiiiice... |
| 03:27.04 | plugwash | there are two, debootstrap and cdebootstrap, sometimes one works when the other doesn't sometimes neither works |
| 03:27.13 | dendrite | Boots into a compiler... |
| 03:27.19 | plugwash | depending on exactly what you are trying to bootstrap and what you are starting from |
| 03:27.22 | Stevie-O | dendrite: hehe |
| 03:27.27 | dan2 | cdebootstrap tends to be faster, but usually more unreliable |
| 03:27.33 | geo-rge | isn't that a contradiction in terms? oh, wait, takes 12 hours to boot... riiiight |
| 03:27.39 | Kevin` | plugwash from etch-mips to etch-mips |
| 03:27.41 | Stevie-O | dendrite: Oh, perfect: have it boot a minimal system so it can build the kernel, then kexec |
| 03:27.54 | odla | there is a gentoo live cd |
| 03:28.11 | plugwash | Kevin` only way to find out which if any of the two will work is to try it |
| 03:28.14 | odla | it's called gentoo 2006.0 and 2006.1 |
| 03:28.26 | plugwash | with etch still current though at least your bug reports may get listened too |
| 03:28.29 | dendrite | LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU... |
| 03:28.32 | Stevie-O | gentoo dead cd |
| 03:28.34 | dendrite | odla: ;-) |
| 03:28.49 | Stevie-O | dendrite: Eyes. See. IRC is a visual medium |
| 03:29.02 | dendrite | Stevie-O: Dang. I knew something was wrong. |
| 03:29.09 | Stevie-O | ;) |
| 03:29.14 | geo-rge | for those who read visually :) |
| 03:29.20 | dendrite | Stevie-O: Even though I did once try piping irc into festival... |
| 03:29.26 | Stevie-O | is that like MS Agent? |
| 03:29.31 | dendrite | It wasn't very good. |
| 03:29.44 | Stevie-O | use recite |
| 03:29.49 | Stevie-O | which uses the pc speaker :D |
| 03:29.57 | dendrite | o_O |
| 03:29.59 | Dembug | advice for #debian: dont ever use the function "erase data from partition :<" |
| 03:30.07 | Dembug | its zeroing the drive ffs |
| 03:30.08 | Stevie-O | I was gonna have a shitty emachines box 'recite' its IP address |
| 03:30.21 | Kevin` | Dembug perhaps you should stop it somehow if you dont want that |
| 03:30.34 | Dembug | not sure how to stop it, its the netboot :< |
| 03:30.40 | Stevie-O | Power switch |
| 03:30.42 | Kevin` | power button |
| 03:30.43 | Dembug | hahaha |
| 03:30.46 | dendrite | Stevie-O: Wow. You could drive people crazy with that.. "Huh? I don't hear nothin' " ... |
| 03:30.51 | Dembug | ill end up having to format it again or something bad |
| 03:30.54 | Dembug | :D |
| 03:30.57 | Kevin` | most likely |
| 03:31.01 | geo-rge | switch!! button!! more filling!! tastes worse!! |
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| 03:31.07 | afaik | Your apache2 configuration is broken, so we're not restarting it for you. |
| 03:31.11 | afaik | huh? |
| 03:31.14 | afaik | how can I fix this? |
| 03:31.17 | Dembug | lool |
| 03:31.22 | amphi | heh |
| 03:31.24 | Kevin` | i've been able to recover from partially erasing an ext3 partition before |
| 03:31.26 | k-man_ | i have a bunch of postscript files i'd like to print out, but i want to print the filename on the same page, how can i do that? |
| 03:31.26 | Dembug | fixing the configuration |
| 03:31.28 | Kevin` | who knows, you might be lucky |
| 03:31.40 | Dembug | Kevin` ahh its ok, the data isnt important |
| 03:31.49 | Dembug | i was creating a raid, and thought gee shucks software raid manager is going to moan abou tthe data |
| 03:31.56 | Dembug | and refuse to release the sd drive to the partitioner |
| 03:32.11 | geo-rge | Dembug: you're just installing tho, it's not like you have data outside of the installation (other than your answers to the config questions) |
| 03:32.16 | nocti | k-man_, im not sure if scribus is what you're looking for |
| 03:32.20 | Dembug | haha yeah geo-rge |
| 03:32.20 | afaik | I am not using anything with apache2 right now |
| 03:32.27 | afaik | can I just blow it out and reinstall it? |
| 03:32.31 | Dembug | im more pewed off geo-rge, now i have to sit here another 30 minutes waiting for it to zero the drive |
| 03:32.47 | k-man_ | nocti, yeah, i was more looking for a command line solution as i have about 20 files to print out |
| 03:32.49 | Kevin` | you could just kill the process that's erasing it |
| 03:32.55 | geo-rge | oh, maybe you could stop that and just reformat the partition |
| 03:33.00 | Dembug | i would if i knew busybox |
| 03:33.05 | Dembug | yeah oki |
| 03:33.07 | linux_jones | i have a laptop with a touchpad, and i installed etch today, but the mouse dosent move nearly as fast as i would like it to |
| 03:33.11 | nocti | k-man_, ouch, im not into commandline printing stuff sorry ;) |
| 03:33.16 | Kevin` | busybox behaves like a mostly posix shell |
| 03:33.20 | Kevin` | nothing to.. know |
| 03:33.21 | k-man_ | oh well |
| 03:33.24 | k-man_ | thanks anyway |
| 03:33.26 | geo-rge | pwr switch... err... button... err... I'M SO CONFUSED!! |
| 03:33.35 | Dembug | wow |
| 03:33.41 | Dembug | i actually found the PID with busybox |
| 03:33.41 | nocti | geo-rge, pull the plug |
| 03:33.42 | Dembug | go me! |
| 03:33.46 | dendrite | !reset geo-rge |
| 03:34.11 | geo-rge | !seen geo-rge |
| 03:34.12 | dpkg | geo-rge is currently on #debian (13h 35m 12s). Has said a total of 91 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '!seen geo-rge'. |
| 03:34.13 | dendrite | Worth a try... |
| 03:34.28 | Stevie-O | !seen Stevie-O |
| 03:34.29 | dpkg | stevie-o is currently on #debian (58m 18s). Has said a total of 29 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen Stevie-O'. |
| 03:34.36 | Stevie-O | Only 29 messages? |
| 03:34.41 | Stevie-O | I'm quite sure it's more than that |
| 03:34.44 | Kevin` | mm |
| 03:34.47 | Stevie-O | at least thirty-two |
| 03:34.47 | Kevin` | !seen Kevin` |
| 03:34.48 | dpkg | kevin` is currently on #debian (9m 29s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen Kevin`'. |
| 03:34.50 | sakya | how to write apt.conf if i want to use ftp proxy? |
| 03:34.54 | Dembug | bugger! its refusing to realease the drive! lmao :D |
| 03:34.54 | Dembug | knew it |
| 03:35.17 | geo-rge | uhoh... |
| 03:35.23 | Stevie-O | fdisk? |
| 03:35.29 | Stevie-O | only wimps use fdisk |
| 03:35.40 | geo-rge | sfdisk buddy! |
| 03:35.45 | Stevie-O | real men handcraft their partition table with echo and dd |
| 03:35.49 | linux_jones | anyone? |
| 03:35.53 | Dembug | heh |
| 03:35.56 | pipeline | Stevie-O: echo and dd are for hosers. Real men use bvi. |
| 03:36.09 | Stevie-O | bvi doesn't come with busybox |
| 03:36.12 | plugwash | sakya afaict that is controlled by the ftp_proxy envrionment variable |
| 03:36.12 | Dembug | Stevie-O: i used the linux equivalent of wiping the mbr :P |
| 03:36.17 | plugwash | not by a config file |
| 03:36.39 | dendrite | linux_jones: In X, you may be able to configure the mickeys-to-pixels and acceleration.. |
| 03:36.54 | Stevie-O | Dembug: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/whatever bs=512 count=1 |
| 03:36.59 | geo-rge | Real men hand-assemble the program to write a static partition table, and uses it to cookie-cutter drives for thousands of identically-partitioned machines... |
| 03:37.19 | sakya | e,i have add ftp_proxy to .bashrc,it doesn't work |
| 03:37.44 | linux_jones | dendrite, how would i do that? i go to the gnome controle pannel and turned that all the way up but it didnt do anything |
| 03:37.46 | Dembug | thx Stevie-O |
| 03:37.47 | geo-rge | I never had to use a proxy |
| 03:37.52 | Kevin` | hmm gentoo doesn't have a package for cdebootstrap :( |
| 03:38.07 | geo-rge | wonder why... |
| 03:38.14 | Kevin` | it has one for -c |
| 03:38.19 | plugwash | sakya this may sound like a silly question but is apt set up to use ftp? |
| 03:38.24 | Dembug | geo-rge: because that would be too easy |
| 03:38.29 | dendrite | linux_jones: I don't know, I was just offering a hopefully useful thought. |
| 03:38.37 | plugwash | if the sources.list says http then it won't use a ftp proxy |
| 03:38.54 | sakya | i know that |
| 03:39.05 | sakya | i just use ftp |
| 03:39.10 | Dembug | hmm |
| 03:39.17 | Dembug | apt-get install danted |
| 03:39.25 | Dembug | use SOCKS4/5 or something |
| 03:39.26 | Stevie-O | danted? |
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| 03:39.35 | Dembug | its a proxy server for debian Stevie-O |
| 03:39.41 | Dembug | its really cool, i use it |
| 03:39.47 | Kevin` | what type of proxy |
| 03:39.51 | Dembug | oh wait |
| 03:39.53 | Dembug | it might be danted-server |
| 03:39.58 | geo-rge | dante the daemon |
| 03:39.59 | Dembug | well it supports SOCKS4/SOCKS5 |
| 03:40.02 | Dembug | thats all I've used it for :D |
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| 03:40.25 | Kevin` | i've been looking for a socks proxy other then ssh for a while, heh |
| 03:40.30 | Dembug | Kevin`: just a simple relay proxy with socks ;-) |
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| 03:40.38 | Dembug | ahh Kevin` its great |
| 03:40.44 | Dembug | if you need help configuring it just ask |
| 03:41.01 | Dembug | reminds me of IOS the config file.. , stupid range permissions |
| 03:41.08 | Kevin` | I probably won't install it for another month, I just wrote it down in my notes |
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| 03:41.10 | Dembug | if you work out a way to use less than /24 let me know ;-) |
| 03:41.11 | Elive_user67 | here is a question I hate asking, because I had the answer, and have lost it. I can see the ip and hostname of my win pc's in my router's dhcp client lsit, but my linux pc's only show the ip address. How do I get my router's dhcp client list to see the "name" of my linus pc'? |
| 03:41.20 | Elive_user67 | I edited a file to fix this ,, but do not remember waht I did |
| 03:41.59 | dendrite | Elive_user67: Perhaps the router is using WINS? |
| 03:42.01 | Kevin` | that's an option for the dhcp client |
| 03:42.19 | dendrite | Elive_user67: Ah, more likely what Kevin` said... |
| 03:42.37 | Dembug | the "promise" of software raid eh? |
| 03:42.37 | Elive_user67 | how fo I fix? |
| 03:42.41 | Dembug | did anybody get that poor joke? |
| 03:43.06 | dendrite | Dembug: Sorry, you'll have to explain it... ;-) |
| 03:43.37 | Dembug | well heres a clue dendrite : raid controller |
| 03:43.57 | dendrite | Dembug: Yeah yeah. Nothing worse than explaining yer jokes, ya know? =) =) |
| 03:44.04 | Dembug | bah |
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| 03:44.13 | Dembug | thought i was going to fall into that one |
| 03:44.17 | dendrite | Elive_user67: Maybe check dhclient.conf man page... |
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| 03:44.32 | Elive_user67 | ok thank you |
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| 03:44.46 | Dembug | as george bush would say.. fool me once shame on me, fool me twice, shame on, shame on, uhm and shame on me |
| 03:45.20 | dendrite | Dembug: Yeah, that was classic. |
| 03:45.25 | Dembug | haha |
| 03:45.32 | Dembug | he shouldve said "fool me thrice, shame on us both" |
| 03:45.35 | Dembug | id have died |
| 03:46.19 | Dembug | you know i think the george bush fan club is quite big |
| 03:46.28 | Dembug | people jsut find him funny |
| 03:46.28 | dendrite | Elive_user67: I'm guessing it's something like send host-name "andare.fugue.com"; |
| 03:46.50 | dendrite | Dembug: As someone pointed out, Americans (US) don't seem to mind stupidity... |
| 03:47.00 | Dembug | hehe |
| 03:47.07 | Dembug | average is afterall, defined by majority dendrite |
| 03:47.10 | geo-rge | today on a news show, they said they conducted a poll that said that bush approval rating is 25% |
| 03:47.18 | Dembug | haha |
| 03:47.19 | Dembug | awwwww ;< |
| 03:47.22 | Dembug | but he's so funny |
| 03:47.27 | Dembug | not his fault he killed thousands of people |
| 03:47.30 | Dembug | cough |
| 03:47.40 | dendrite | geo-rge: Which is terrifying when you realize that one in four *approve* ... |
| 03:47.54 | geo-rge | Yeah, did you catch the latest installment of the Osama and Georgie Jr show? |
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| 03:48.06 | Dembug | yeah 1 in 4 int poll_function {return false}; |
| 03:48.10 | Dembug | heh |
| 03:48.40 | geo-rge | dendrite: but this is down from 80% just after 9/11 |
| 03:48.51 | Dembug | mmm |
| 03:48.54 | minerale | Has anyone tried to manually compile truecrypt? I keep getting errors about a certain DM_MSG_PREFIX -- google shows others have had the problem |
| 03:49.01 | Dembug | maybe thats because theyve seen the C4 blowing up the building geo-rge :) |
| 03:49.04 | dendrite | geo-rge: Yeah, I know. |
| 03:49.06 | Dembug | the most secure building in the world btw |
| 03:49.06 | Dembug | :D |
| 03:49.17 | Dembug | including pentagon :D |
| 03:49.27 | Dembug | I don't know.. |
| 03:49.32 | geo-rge | which? those towers? |
| 03:49.56 | Dembug | yeahh.. i mean they have satellite protection |
| 03:50.07 | Dembug | lots of it, The CIA love their nav toys |
| 03:50.18 | geo-rge | a lotta good they did :P |
| 03:50.21 | Dembug | they saw that plane from like 20 miles away :O) |
| 03:50.35 | Dembug | unless they were sitting playing pacman, someone either a) screwed up b) let it happen |
| 03:50.36 | Dembug | :) |
| 03:50.42 | Dembug | IMHO |
| 03:50.46 | geo-rge | I was on irc just before, during, after 9/11 |
| 03:50.59 | Elive_user67 | that did it.. tahnks a bunch for the help |
| 03:51.11 | dendrite | Elive_user67: Great. |
| 03:51.14 | geo-rge | and someone posted the news video clips |
| 03:51.19 | geo-rge | stunning |
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| 03:51.25 | Dembug | ;< |
| 03:51.28 | Dembug | yeah it was... |
| 03:51.36 | Dembug | a day to remember for the world |
| 03:51.52 | Dembug | im still fucked off with our government geo-rge |
| 03:52.03 | geo-rge | a day to remember for the homeless dudes in Central Park... |
| 03:52.07 | Dembug | marching into other countries in the name of good, creating the sort of tension we needed to avoid |
| 03:52.15 | Dembug | heh geo-rge |
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| 03:52.30 | Dembug | why do you say that geo-rge, im not american :-) and my geography, well im dyslexic :-) |
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| 03:53.30 | Dembug | geo-rge: raid 0 installed :) lets see |
| 03:53.45 | geo-rge | I basically agree with you... bush is a war criminal, and he made major enemies among his own people |
| 03:54.18 | Dembug | meh im more worried about the people he fucked off :< tbh |
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| 03:54.44 | Dembug | vietnam vietnam man |
| 03:54.48 | Dembug | "go home" |
| 03:54.50 | hosler | How can I get shorewall to forward ports to certain computers based on domains? |
| 03:55.13 | nk | hosler: i somehow do not get it to forward ports at all |
| 03:55.26 | hosler | nk, well thats cool. |
| 03:55.40 | geo-rge | that kinda sounds like a script you have to write that takes a list of domains as input |
| 03:55.42 | nk | no, that sucks :) |
| 03:56.27 | hosler | I want it so that server1.foo.bar goes to 10.0.0.2, and server2.foo.bar goes to 10.0.0.3 |
| 03:56.32 | afaik | I forget |
| 03:56.38 | afaik | the vim command to jump to line number? |
| 03:56.45 | Dembug | geo-rge: ok lm-sensors installed ;-) here we go for reboot :D now we will find out if its the pain of raid 0 or the firmware not ;-) |
| 03:57.15 | amphi | afaik: :<line number> |
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| 03:57.54 | geo-rge | Dembug: cool... mot |
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| 03:58.09 | Dembug | bah |
| 03:58.12 | Dembug | geo-rge: its the raid 0 :< |
| 03:58.15 | Dembug | buggery |
| 03:58.22 | geo-rge | so it doesn't work? |
| 03:58.26 | Dembug | nope |
| 03:58.33 | Dembug | raid 0 is causing the problem |
| 03:58.50 | Dembug | damn that sucks |
| 03:59.01 | Dembug | as i cant fix that really :< |
| 03:59.03 | geo-rge | howbout: try installing to a small partition without any raid |
| 03:59.11 | Dembug | have already done it on this box |
| 03:59.32 | Dembug | works a treat |
| 03:59.32 | geo-rge | with the drives that are now in there too? |
| 03:59.34 | Dembug | mmm |
| 03:59.40 | Dembug | ive actually mathced the firmware |
| 03:59.47 | Dembug | and run single drive |
| 03:59.49 | Dembug | works fine |
| 03:59.54 | Dembug | either port |
| 03:59.54 | Dembug | :D |
| 04:00.20 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 04:00.27 | Dembug | heres my theory: |
| 04:00.32 | Dembug | at boot time i2c-dev doesnt load |
| 04:00.41 | Dembug | because of the priority of the mma or whatever it is |
| 04:00.49 | geo-rge | so the sensors work if you don't run raid0 |
| 04:00.53 | Dembug | yup |
| 04:01.00 | Dembug | which is a pain because its for a gaming customer |
| 04:01.01 | Dembug | :< |
| 04:01.15 | Dembug | theyre not looking for raid 5 or whatnot |
| 04:01.21 | geo-rge | what happens if you modprobe i2c-dev now? |
| 04:01.27 | Dembug | same thing |
| 04:01.28 | Dembug | says it loads |
| 04:01.50 | geo-rge | lsmod shows it there? |
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| 04:02.26 | Dembug | the most annoying thing is sensors-detect finds it |
| 04:02.30 | Dembug | geo-rge not sure just rebooting |
| 04:02.42 | Dembug | but yeah i assumed it would be in lsmod if i get a poll saying the driver was loaded |
| 04:02.44 | Dembug | sanity checking, etc |
| 04:03.05 | Dembug | its probably worth noting im using 64 bit io |
| 04:03.12 | Dembug | which is experimental in 32bit environments |
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| 04:03.39 | geo-rge | that's why I'd be asking, is to make sure I have my sanity :) |
| 04:03.49 | ndowens | hmm according to a local cable provider i can get cable internet yay! just have to get the approval of my father in law |
| 04:04.00 | Dembug | lol ndowens random :D |
| 04:04.23 | Dembug | i cant believe im flipping over lm-sensors so much |
| 04:04.24 | Dembug | its a core 2 duo |
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| 04:04.30 | Dembug | hits like 75C |
| 04:04.41 | Kevin` | ndowens s/approval/money? |
| 04:04.42 | Dembug | i want my bash script to turn it off it touches 78C without fail |
| 04:05.05 | Dembug | which is a peice of piss ;-) when lm-sensors works, ofc. |
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| 04:05.43 | Kevin` | Dembug does that computer by chance have a hardware watchdog? |
| 04:05.56 | Dembug | possibly |
| 04:06.07 | Dembug | i know there is a hardware probe as well as a onchip one |
| 04:06.13 | ndowens | Kevin`: approval meaning it's ok to let them set it up here i gues, i would be paying |
| 04:06.34 | ndowens | sorry to be offtopic just happy b/c i am on dialup and hate it heh |
| 04:06.46 | Dembug | its pretty official Kevin`: raid 1 causes lm-sensors to stop working in 2.9.19-rc3 |
| 04:06.50 | Dembug | confirmed and re-affirmed :) |
| 04:06.58 | Dembug | uhm.. raid 0 |
| 04:07.12 | Kevin` | Dembug linux software raid 1? |
| 04:07.16 | Kevin` | you said something about firmware.. |
| 04:07.19 | Dembug | linux raid 0, sorry, not 1 |
| 04:07.23 | Dembug | yup the drives firmware was diff |
| 04:07.25 | Dembug | AAE and AAC |
| 04:07.30 | Dembug | so i used 2x AAE :) |
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| 04:07.46 | Zbyshek | congratz to freezing :) |
| 04:07.48 | Dembug | thats not the problem though, unfortunately. |
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| 04:08.01 | Kevin` | Dembug can't you just load the raid drivers after the system is up? |
| 04:08.13 | Dembug | thats a really good idea |
| 04:08.21 | Dembug | but i still think it would interfere with i2c-dev once it was |
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| 04:08.40 | Dembug | however i am pretty sure its to do with the init at bootime for raid 0 |
| 04:08.45 | geo-rge | how would he mount his volumes in that case |
| 04:09.00 | Kevin` | geo-rge if he's using hardware raid it shouldn't matter |
| 04:09.02 | Dembug | geo-rge: its possible i think, just beyond me a bit |
| 04:09.06 | Dembug | im not, im using software ;-) |
| 04:09.14 | Dembug | hardware raid needs sil drivers and im like :( |
| 04:09.21 | Dembug | "fakeraid" tbh |
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| 04:09.41 | unseensoul | hi |
| 04:09.43 | Dembug | i2c_i801 7692 0 |
| 04:09.45 | Dembug | i2c_core 21264 1 i2c_i801 |
| 04:09.45 | Kevin` | pfft bios/fakeraid :( |
| 04:09.47 | Dembug | rawr... :( |
| 04:09.52 | Dembug | its not loading i2c-dev |
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| 04:10.02 | Kevin` | what happens if you load it? |
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| 04:10.08 | Dembug | i2c_dev 7556 0 |
| 04:10.10 | Dembug | i2c_i801 7692 0 |
| 04:10.10 | Dembug | i2c_core 21264 2 i2c_dev,i2c_i801 |
| 04:10.10 | Dembug | it loads :D |
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| 04:10.15 | Zbyshek | lol |
| 04:10.17 | Zbyshek | :)) |
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| 04:10.47 | venger | I'm using dyndns with an MX record and getting Too many hops error when sending mail to user@host.dyndns.org (<-example). It looks like its looping in the message header. I'm using exim4 and I thought I would simply add host.dyndns.org into dc_other_hostnames in update-exim4.conf.conf. I also added user@host.dyndns.org: localuser in /etc/aliases. Anyone have any ideas on what I'm missing? |
| 04:11.06 | Dembug | something odd is going on bud, it doesnt ask if i want to use isa or smbus when i use raid 0 |
| 04:11.12 | Dembug | (sensors-detect) |
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| 04:11.18 | unseensoul | what's super-key? |
| 04:11.22 | Kevin` | venger host.dyndns.org is you? |
| 04:11.25 | Zbyshek | hey, do someone use here apache2 and mysql on testing? I've got the problem that there is no module for connection between... or there is, but only for 2.0.50 apache, not for 2.2.3 which is in testing now... |
| 04:11.33 | venger | unseensoul, correct |
| 04:11.51 | unseensoul | venger, excuse me? |
| 04:12.01 | venger | unseensoul, its pointed to the current dynamic IP, so yes its me |
| 04:12.38 | Dembug | well, looks like i wont be using sensors and raid 0 , oh well :-) |
| 04:12.56 | venger | sorry unseensoul I meant Kevin`,, I have bad eyesight it seems |
| 04:13.02 | Kevin` | it's odd that they should interfere |
| 04:13.13 | Dembug | yeah i agree bud |
| 04:13.20 | Dembug | ive never seen anything quite like it |
| 04:13.37 | unseensoul | venger, that's ok, but, by the way, can you help me? |
| 04:13.39 | Dembug | im assuming that its an init issue, kernel issue, or some sort of bus sharing conflict |
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| 04:14.23 | Dembug | it actually says no sensors found when the drivers are loaded :D |
| 04:14.30 | Dembug | cant even see the ram slots |
| 04:14.36 | Zbyshek | gyes... have anybody idea about the mysql? |
| 04:14.49 | venger | unseensoul, well what is your question |
| 04:14.52 | Zbyshek | shit.. it's to late :) |
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| 04:15.14 | geo-rge | BIOS issue? |
| 04:15.21 | unseensoul | venger, Take screenshot: Super-key + left-click drag, i'm using compiz, but i don't know what's super-key... |
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| 04:15.40 | Dembug | geo-rge: if it is i'd be surprised |
| 04:16.04 | geo-rge | so would I, but it is worth a look |
| 04:16.08 | Dembug | could bea native bus issue in general for it to see no sensors even though it detects them |
| 04:16.21 | L4m3r | unseensoul: I believe the "super-key" is usually the "windows" key iirc |
| 04:16.33 | L4m3r | if that was your question |
| 04:17.14 | unseensoul | L4m3r, you rock |
| 04:17.19 | unseensoul | thank you |
| 04:17.20 | unseensoul | :) |
| 04:17.23 | L4m3r | :) |
| 04:17.55 | heatman | I am in need of my kernel build to install ndiswrapper. It seems it was not installed when i used the cds. Could someone plz tell me what package im looking for so that I can install it using apt-getÉ |
| 04:18.04 | washbear | hi if i need to run an install script that expects Fedora architecture: /etc/rc.d/rc.local which doesnt exist (and script exits with err msg: ': No such file or directory). - what is the easy way out? |
| 04:18.19 | Dembug | heatman: apt-cache search ? |
| 04:18.20 | venger | Kevin`, did you have any suggests for the Too many hops problem? |
| 04:18.32 | Dembug | venger: network hops? |
| 04:18.42 | heatman | Dembug: search what? |
| 04:18.44 | Dembug | that totally depends on the tables on each peer |
| 04:18.46 | Kevin` | venger the problem is obvious, but I don't know the solution for exim |
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| 04:18.50 | venger | Dembug, no email being rejected hops |
| 04:18.54 | Dembug | heatman: ndiswrapper? |
| 04:19.17 | venger | Kevin`, obious in that its probably my server not knowing that it is host.dyndns.org ? |
| 04:19.22 | Kevin` | correct |
| 04:19.25 | venger | c/obious/obvious |
| 04:19.42 | heatman | Dembug: apt-get cant find ndiswrapper, so need to install it manually using a tarball that i had on a usb key |
| 04:19.58 | L4m3r | Okay then, I've got a somewhat-fresh install of Etch on my new Acer Travelmate 6460 (Intel pro wireless 3945). |
| 04:20.04 | Kevin` | from tarball you can just type make |
| 04:20.06 | Kevin` | and make install |
| 04:20.09 | venger | Kevin`, yes i dont either because exim4 is quite split up for me, i thought it would be where i suggest and it looks as if /etc/mailname is already set correctly |
| 04:20.18 | Kevin` | but I'm pretty sure ndiswrapper is in apt |
| 04:20.27 | L4m3r | I installed the necessary packages for wireless to work, and it did, but whenever I use wireless, it breaks on next boot. |
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| 04:20.48 | L4m3r | I get to "Configuring network interfaces..." and the boot halts there. ctrl+c has no effect. |
| 04:20.49 | xipietotec | Is anyone familiar with Moblock? |
| 04:20.49 | Kevin` | heatman what wireless chipset are you using? |
| 04:20.55 | amphi | L4m3r: breaks? |
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| 04:21.14 | venger | so my question would be whats to exim4 as /etc/mail/local-host-names is to sendmail |
| 04:21.27 | heatman | Kevin: I know that ive installed it in the past... my problem is that i get the following error: Can't find kernel build files in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/build |
| 04:21.34 | amphi | heatman: you can use module-assistant to install ndiswrapper I believe |
| 04:21.51 | L4m3r | I have to load up a Kubuntu (yuck!) live CD and mess with my /etc/network/interfaces to make the system start again |
| 04:21.53 | Kevin` | headmonkey you likely don't have the kernel source/headers installed.. what wireless chipset do you have? |
| 04:22.02 | Kevin` | erm |
| 04:22.06 | Kevin` | heatman * |
| 04:22.12 | amphi | heatman: ndiswrapper works on 2.4? |
| 04:22.14 | xipietotec | Moblock (Peerguardian) is um....blocking sourceforge, and I can't really find any documentation on it, for adding sourceforge to the exceptions list |
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| 04:22.52 | heatman | Kevin: I have a Wireless G: Linksys Speedboster: Broadcom i do believe |
| 04:23.21 | Kevin` | heatman that's one of the first things you should find out about the card. there is an opensource broadcom driver that works fairly well |
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| 04:23.32 | heatman | Kevin: what is the name of the package that install the source/headers? |
| 04:23.40 | hosler | How can I get shorewall to forward ports to certain computers based on domains? |
| 04:23.52 | Kevin` | heatman I don't know, I always install them manually. someone else will know |
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| 04:24.10 | geo-rge | that kinda sounds like a script you have to write that takes a list of domains as input |
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| 04:24.15 | Kevin` | heatman if it is broadcom, or something better, you don't need ndiswrapper |
| 04:24.50 | L4m3r | So, anyone know how to configure Intel 3945 wireless so that it will work more than once? :) |
| 04:24.52 | heatman | Kevin: oh no? always used that in linux... since debian is unable to automaticly detect it |
| 04:25.15 | Kevin` | heatman the driver has only been included with recent kernel versions |
| 04:26.04 | Kevin` | I just buy cards using hardware lists, so I never need ndiswrapper |
| 04:26.16 | Kevin` | broadcom is one of the lesser supported ones, but it works |
| 04:26.17 | heatman | Kevin: lol seems a bit problematic! need a more recent version of the kernel but i dont have access to the internet... hence i need to use ndiswrapper to make the download so that eventually i dont need to use it! |
| 04:26.28 | Kevin` | lol heatman |
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| 04:27.09 | Kevin` | hm I forget what I was doing |
| 04:27.18 | heatman | rofl |
| 04:27.20 | Dembug | right lol reinstalling again without raid 0 lol |
| 04:27.25 | xipietotec | If anyone is familiar with Moblock I could seriously use the help |
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| 04:28.18 | Kevin` | ** You can safely turn off the power |
| 04:28.18 | Kevin` | Dembug: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! |
| 04:28.22 | Kevin` | *shrug* |
| 04:28.32 | Kevin` | stupid autocomplete |
| 04:28.55 | DavidProck1981 | ok i deside to do with out the video drivers for a while cause it is too complated, but i have a question |
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| 04:30.54 | heatman | Kevin: rofl, the package i need is kernel-source but i get this error trying to install: Package kernel-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. |
| 04:31.54 | Kevin` | heatman linux-source? |
| 04:32.32 | Dembug | is there an easy way to spread home directories accross 2 disks? |
| 04:32.32 | Dembug | :D |
| 04:32.48 | Dembug | if i mount one disk partion as /home and another as home2/ is it easy to adduser to home2/ ? |
| 04:32.56 | L4m3r | spread? o_O |
| 04:33.12 | Dembug | have half users on /home and other half on /home2 |
| 04:33.16 | L4m3r | you could symlink, maybe |
| 04:33.29 | Dembug | hmm good idea |
| 04:33.33 | Dembug | thanks ;-) |
| 04:33.37 | L4m3r | :) |
| 04:34.00 | heatman | Kevin: kernel-source |
| 04:34.12 | geo-rge | Dembug: take a look at man adduser and useradd and usermod |
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| 04:34.19 | Dembug | oki geo-rge thanks :D |
| 04:34.27 | DavidProck1981 | there certin things that lock up the hole pc some times , like if a game resize the screen, And i have to restart the pc 4 times to be able to get into the system, i have to load all the way on each restart, just to see that it is all locked up, Now i think it is restoring the sesion or restoreing to the last state or some thing, Am i Correct about the Restore last Sesion/State, and if so how can i force it to make a new one eve |
| 04:34.29 | Dembug | take it its easy to do without symlinking then ;-) |
| 04:34.39 | heatman | Kevin: found my problem... dont have the cd that contains that package... cd 13 |
| 04:34.49 | geo-rge | oh, right... man 5 passwd too :) |
| 04:35.17 | geo-rge | (to answer the question of "how does my machine know where my home dir lives?" |
| 04:35.18 | geo-rge | ) |
| 04:36.03 | Dembug | thanks geo-rge nice of you :) |
| 04:36.27 | geo-rge | np... reading is FUNdamental :) |
| 04:37.39 | L4m3r | AHA! |
| 04:37.48 | L4m3r | it's that damned wireless switch |
| 04:37.57 | xipietotec | If anyone is familiar with Moblock I could seriously use the help |
| 04:38.04 | L4m3r | if I touch it, b0rk. :) |
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| 04:39.55 | Dembug | geo-rge: aye but the helping hand was welcome at 4:41AM |
| 04:39.56 | Dembug | :) |
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| 04:42.08 | geo-rge | Dembug: np |
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| 04:44.09 | RyanTMulligan | Does debian with default behavior, not allow you to run a TCP server on an arbitrary port? Do you need to use iptables to write some rule about the port? |
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| 04:45.01 | Guerin | RyanTMulligan: no. |
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| 04:45.14 | Guerin | RyanTMulligan: clarification: no, debian does not prevent anything of the sort. |
| 04:45.28 | geo-rge | RyanTMulligan: no, but typically debian will opt to turn off tcp where it makes sense (example, xdmcp over tcp) |
| 04:46.36 | RyanTMulligan | Okay.. I'm running a TCP(specifically telnet) server in Ruby (though the language shouldn't really matter) and when I try to do telnet myip thatport it is refusing me.. |
| 04:46.44 | venger | I found what I need to for handling virtual domains in exim4 on debian here http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/140/print , but I'm not understand why the examples are not showing that debconf is maintaining the configs. Is there an option to disable debconf for specific packages or is there another reason why my install would be managed by debconf? |
| 04:47.22 | pstickne | does anyone use a personal accounting program? I'm trying gnucash but it feels cludgy at time; any suggestions? (I've tried kdecash/grishi and they were pretty awful :-/) |
| 04:47.30 | geo-rge | RyanTMulligan: so you get connection refused... check your netstat -a or -na |
| 04:48.17 | geo-rge | the question you'd be looking for the answer of, is "do I see anything in netstat saying something is listening at that port" |
| 04:48.42 | pstickne | a -t might help O.o |
| 04:48.53 | geo-rge | wazzat? |
| 04:49.02 | pstickne | limit to TCP |
| 04:49.06 | geo-rge | ok |
| 04:49.35 | RyanTMulligan | geo-rge: ah it says tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:4000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 04:49.42 | RyanTMulligan | so that means it listening to the wrong ip address? |
| 04:49.51 | Dembug | its only listening to localhost |
| 04:49.55 | Dembug | so you can only locally telnet |
| 04:49.58 | Dembug | try telnetting locally |
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| 04:50.06 | Dembug | if it works you've discovered your problem |
| 04:50.17 | RyanTMulligan | yea I can locally telnet |
| 04:50.26 | Dembug | you need to bind to the ip you want it to listen on |
| 04:50.27 | RyanTMulligan | I think I see now. |
| 04:50.31 | RyanTMulligan | thank you very much! |
| 04:50.35 | Dembug | np |
| 04:50.40 | RyanTMulligan | geo-rge too! |
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| 04:50.54 | Dembug | yup he's very helpful |
| 04:50.56 | geo-rge | ditto |
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| 04:52.17 | RyanTMulligan | ha, thanks guys that worked like a charm! |
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| 04:52.40 | Dembug | np secure binds ftw |
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| 04:53.35 | Dembug | lol me and the netinstall today man, my ISP must think im running a piracy ring |
| 04:53.36 | Dembug | lmao |
| 04:53.52 | linux_jones | where do i find kernel build files in etch? |
| 04:53.53 | awesomess3 | Hi everyone :D -- is there a tool to install all packages and their dependencies by source with the GCC options of i686 and Pentium4 optimizations? I'm eating oatmeal right now thank you for asking. |
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| 04:54.32 | geo-rge | will building from source give you more oatmeal? |
| 04:54.44 | awesomess3 | lol maybe |
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| 04:55.12 | linux_jones | anyone? |
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| 04:55.26 | awesomess3 | because with Gentoo everything is awesome i686! I want to be cool like Gentoo on Debian. |
| 04:55.33 | DavidProck1981 | OH MY FUCKING GOD, i have a darn good pc, except for my graphic card, NOW i normaly use KDE and on my favorite game if i juse the default drivers that debian uses with out setting them up , the game is playable but no textures on the sides on the walls, it's just verticle lines, Now listen to this, the only difference it that im useing gnome as of now instead of kde, Now......... |
| 04:56.03 | geo-rge | awesomess3, there's something called buildd you can look at, but I don't know of any way to install by building packages |
| 04:56.25 | geo-rge | buildd is what the debian archive gets binary packages from |
| 04:56.26 | Guerin | awesomess3: are you taking the piss? |
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| 04:57.16 | DavidProck1981 | Now i like to make larg complated maps that normaly give me 7 FPS but now that im useing gnome i get 30 some on the maps i make, WOW, AND HOW? |
| 04:57.30 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you changed something else. |
| 04:57.35 | xipietotec | If anyone is familiar with Moblock I could seriously use the help |
| 04:57.35 | DavidProck1981 | no |
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| 04:57.45 | L4m3r | gdm instead of kdm? |
| 04:57.50 | DavidProck1981 | just did not install kde yeat |
| 04:58.05 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you did, because kde/gnome has absolutely no bearing on graphical stuff |
| 04:58.09 | pstickne | sounds like driver or colordepth or gl version or... |
| 04:58.11 | DavidProck1981 | notinng kde related is installed |
| 04:58.11 | Guerin | *none* whatsoever |
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| 04:58.37 | Dembug | lol I cant believe this geo-rge |
| 04:58.39 | awesomess3 | Guerin: actually i was getting more oatmeal |
| 04:58.43 | Dembug | I still have the same problem here and im not using raid 0 anymore! lol |
| 04:58.48 | Dembug | crazy |
| 04:59.08 | Guerin | awesomess3: not taking A piss, taking THE piss. |
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| 04:59.16 | Guerin | awesomess3: otherwise known as the mickey |
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| 04:59.33 | awesomess3 | geo-rge: mickey mouse? |
| 04:59.37 | DavidProck1981 | i just did a format and have not even used apt-get or aptitude or module-assistant tyat SO... what now Guerin |
| 04:59.39 | geo-rge | Dembug: hmm, so it's not related to raid |
| 04:59.48 | Dembug | not sure now :< |
| 04:59.52 | geo-rge | weeeeerrreee... |
| 04:59.53 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: it's working. Don't fuck with it. |
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| 05:00.05 | Dembug | sigh its 5am and im in the same place i was 5 hours ago |
| 05:00.06 | Dembug | oh well. |
| 05:00.07 | geo-rge | off to see the mickey... the wndrfl mickey of mouse |
| 05:00.21 | awesomess3 | Dembug: that happens to me a lot :( |
| 05:00.22 | pstickne | DavidProck1981, pfft. you can make it go faster. randomly change configuration settings. |
| 05:00.35 | Guerin | !punish geo-rge for his bad punsmanship |
| 05:00.36 | Dembug | awesomess3: aye i guess its the only way we learn |
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| 05:00.59 | DavidProck1981 | still no graphic on the sides of walls, but the FPS is way beter with out kde |
| 05:01.08 | geo-rge | you're punfusing me!! |
| 05:01.13 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean pstickne |
| 05:01.23 | Guerin | geo-rge: no, i'm PUNishing you |
| 05:01.28 | pstickne | make it run fastAR! |
| 05:01.34 | DavidProck1981 | how |
| 05:01.35 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 05:01.45 | geo-rge | oops, gotta go for a min... I have the puns... |
| 05:01.47 | DavidProck1981 | i have a ati card |
| 05:01.57 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg ati |
| 05:01.59 | Kensey | hey _Sam-- |
| 05:02.06 | Kensey | I figured out my Squid issue |
| 05:02.06 | Dembug | right ive found the problem i think |
| 05:02.18 | Dembug | for some reason... on this machine.. i2c-dev isnt being loaded at boot time |
| 05:02.23 | Dembug | that'd do it wouldnt it geo-rge |
| 05:02.29 | DavidProck1981 | i have done the ati video stuff and it gets worse |
| 05:02.55 | cast | hmm, so ff2 isn't in etch then? |
| 05:03.00 | geo-rge | is it in /etc/modules? |
| 05:03.03 | xipietotec | If anyone is familiar with Moblock I could seriously use the help |
| 05:03.09 | Kensey | turns out if you do http_access <acl> <acl> the incoming traffic has to match *both* acls, and since one was localhost and one wasn't, no traffic matched :) |
| 05:03.33 | Dembug | omfg i found out the problem |
| 05:03.34 | Dembug | its disgusting |
| 05:03.40 | Dembug | modprobe it87 |
| 05:03.42 | Dembug | wtf!!! |
| 05:03.48 | Dembug | KILL ME |
| 05:03.53 | DavidProck1981 | what is a good cd / dvd burning program for gnome |
| 05:03.56 | geo-rge | working now? :) |
| 05:04.01 | tonsofpcs | cdrecord |
| 05:04.03 | Dembug | now im going to have to go and reinstall STRIPE |
| 05:04.03 | Dembug | lmao |
| 05:04.04 | rf-a | DavidProck1981, gnomeburner or nerolinux |
| 05:04.06 | Kensey | David: I usually end up using xcdroast |
| 05:04.08 | Dembug | <--- anal |
| 05:04.20 | geo-rge | wait, why reinstall? |
| 05:04.25 | Dembug | i want stripe |
| 05:04.27 | Dembug | lol :)) |
| 05:04.31 | Dembug | no stripe :( |
| 05:04.48 | Dembug | big sigh for azio |
| 05:05.04 | De_Mon | time correction of 3534 seconds exceeds sanity limit (1000); set clock manually to the correct UTC time. |
| 05:05.06 | DavidProck1981 | well looks like im going to do away with kde |
| 05:05.19 | Dembug | haha |
| 05:05.22 | De_Mon | ntpd doesnt like my timezone setting any more it seems |
| 05:05.25 | Kensey | DavidP: this is actually in flux now as the cdrecord guy has made himself unwelcome in the Linux community, so expect to see some new and possibly less-reliable cd recording apps soon |
| 05:05.29 | Dembug | i feel like that at the moment De_Mon |
| 05:05.29 | Dembug | :D |
| 05:05.34 | Dembug | <De_Mon> time correction of 3534 seconds exceeds sanity limit (1000); set clock manually to the correct UTC time. |
| 05:05.38 | geo-rge | you can use modconf to arrange module loading at boot |
| 05:05.50 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 05:05.52 | cast | De_Mon: ntp shouldn't care, you [or i] set the bios clock to utc |
| 05:05.57 | DavidProck1981 | Kensey, huh ? |
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| 05:06.17 | geo-rge | De_Mon: get ntpdate |
| 05:06.33 | De_Mon | cast I havent it was working fine last nite, maybe its this server thats fubar |
| 05:06.36 | De_Mon | the time server |
| 05:06.50 | De_Mon | geo-rge I've read that ntpdate is depriciated |
| 05:06.52 | Dembug | geo-rge: anyways its my fault for calling the machine loki tbh |
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| 05:07.08 | Kensey | DavidProck1981: the guy who writes cdrecord is a Solaris fanboy and writes very tangled impenetrable code |
| 05:07.17 | cast | De_Mon: oh. use multiple timeservers then :), though, pool.ntp.org has always worked for me |
| 05:07.22 | geo-rge | ntpd won't move the clock if it's too far |
| 05:07.33 | Kensey | recently he changed his license in such a way that it's probably illegal for anyone but him to distribute his code |
| 05:07.38 | awesomess3 | geo-rge: i looked up buildd, i had to read two paragraphs and that exceeded my reading laziness quota of 50, heeellpp! |
| 05:07.44 | DavidProck1981 | so is cdrecord still good |
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| 05:07.51 | amphi | DavidProck1981: wodim |
| 05:08.01 | DavidProck1981 | wodim ? |
| 05:08.09 | Kevin` | is wodim a fork of cdrtools? |
| 05:08.14 | awesomess3 | geo-rge: ok i'm going to try again |
| 05:08.14 | amphi | DavidProck1981: a fork of cdrecord |
| 05:08.18 | BhaalWK | Hey guys, quick question, how do I fix the old X server fixed fonts not found problem? |
| 05:08.22 | Kensey | and since everything in the Linux world that burns discs is basically just a front-end to cdrecord, the situation has been getting more and more critical |
| 05:08.42 | geo-rge | awesomess3: oh man, holy vampires, batman! |
| 05:08.47 | Kensey | amphi, how reliable is it? |
| 05:08.57 | Kensey | fork of the lasyt GPL version? |
| 05:09.07 | cast | Kensey: growisofs is quite neat though [for dvds] :> |
| 05:09.15 | amphi | Kensey: haven't used it yet - I only recently upgraded to etch |
| 05:09.23 | Dembug | hmm |
| 05:09.24 | xipietotec | If anyone is familiar with Moblock I could seriously use the help |
| 05:09.27 | Dembug | why not change the hardware clock? |
| 05:09.29 | awesomess3 | geo-rge you forgot oatmeal man, he's the most powerful of all, i mean you got strawberry, blueberry, maple |
| 05:09.44 | Kensey | last I saw about it they were talking about rewriting cdrecord from scratch because the code was such a mess |
| 05:09.48 | geo-rge | and oats! |
| 05:09.55 | awesomess3 | yes! |
| 05:10.22 | DavidProck1981 | will k3b work in gnome |
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| 05:10.38 | Kevin` | Kensey hmm may I never see that "unintentional and not supported" message again :) |
| 05:10.42 | BhaalWK | Guys, my X server wont start, its saying it cant find the default fixed font, how do I remedy this? |
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| 05:10.56 | amphi | DavidProck1981: yes - you can use kde progs in gnome and vice versa |
| 05:10.58 | Kensey | Kevin: one can always hope :) |
| 05:11.26 | Kensey | David: I have the KDE libs installed solely because of amaroK |
| 05:11.26 | amphi | !tell BhaalWK about fixed |
| 05:11.26 | Kevin` | anyone see a problem with this line? T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 |
| 05:11.33 | Kevin` | INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
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| 05:11.44 | xipietotec | actually even just a way to turn it off temporarily would be helpful...it's blocking sourceforge CVS servers, so I can't install some things I want |
| 05:11.49 | Kensey | do you actually have a serial device ttyS0? |
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| 05:11.52 | BhaalWK | amphi: Thanks :) |
| 05:11.54 | geo-rge | tbh, buildd might be a pain to set up and learn about... I dunno, never did it myself |
| 05:12.09 | Kevin` | root@kwzs:/nfsroot# ls -l /dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:12.09 | Kevin` | crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 4, 64 1994-07-17 18:48 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 05:12.14 | Kevin` | erm oops |
| 05:12.21 | Kevin` | no, I don't |
| 05:12.23 | Kevin` | wonder why not |
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| 05:12.26 | JdGordon | any news on when debian 4.0 will be released? |
| 05:12.37 | Kensey | do you have serial support in your kernel? |
| 05:12.42 | Kevin` | aye |
| 05:12.50 | Kevin` | or I wouldn't see that message |
| 05:12.51 | Kensey | figured, but some people don't :) |
| 05:12.54 | DavidProck1981 | does Gnome have like a Ctrl+Alt+Delete AKA taks manager |
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| 05:13.34 | De_Mon | oh man, the time was off by more than 24 hours, geez I really need to fix the clock on this thing! |
| 05:13.34 | DavidProck1981 | task* |
| 05:13.35 | amphi | DavidProck1981: dunno - if not, ps and top in an xterm will be useful |
| 05:13.39 | Kensey | you mean a process viewer or something like alt-tab? |
| 05:13.41 | geo-rge | but given the laziness factor, why not just use binary packages? after all, you have debian maints who are using a fairly good amount of care in setting up how they're built |
| 05:13.44 | Dembug | everytime you recompile a kernel, a rabbit dies. |
| 05:13.45 | Kevin` | DavidProck1981 I remember seeing one once |
| 05:13.59 | geo-rge | admittedly, it's a trust issue too |
| 05:14.04 | DavidProck1981 | what does "ps and top in an xterm will be useful" mean |
| 05:14.18 | Kensey | if you want a process monitor, use Gnome System Monitor |
| 05:14.30 | geo-rge | every time you compile a kernel, you get one more for popcorn! |
| 05:14.35 | Kevin` | DavidProck1981 most people don't use the gui for that sort of thing, they use a terminal |
| 05:14.36 | Dembug | DavidProck1981: that the person it was said to has never used the console before? |
| 05:14.36 | Dembug | lol |
| 05:15.21 | geo-rge | if the rabbit dies, doesn't that mean you're pregnant?? |
| 05:15.26 | Kensey | David: you have Gnome up right now? |
| 05:15.30 | DavidProck1981 | Kevin how do i use the terminal to subsuite the Task Manager |
| 05:15.34 | Kevin` | what package contains the command w |
| 05:15.35 | Dembug | geo-rge holy cow, im having quincuplets |
| 05:15.43 | DavidProck1981 | YES Gnome is up now |
| 05:15.46 | Kensey | David: in a terminal, just type "top" |
| 05:15.58 | Dembug | doesnt have to be xterm tbh. |
| 05:16.00 | Kevin` | DavidProck1981 commands ps, kill, top, killall, pidof, etc, depending on the situation |
| 05:16.07 | Dembug | thats why im a little dazed at the question ;-) |
| 05:16.07 | geo-rge | stop, drop, and type top |
| 05:16.10 | DavidProck1981 | cool |
| 05:16.28 | Kensey | there are key commands to sort the list however you need |
| 05:16.30 | Dembug | top is like the core of interactive unix on the console of in xterm |
| 05:16.37 | Kensey | I believe h or H will give you quick help |
| 05:16.42 | Kevin` | !find bin/w |
| 05:16.54 | geo-rge | there's also watch which is pretty cool |
| 05:16.55 | Dembug | its useful for finding naughty users actually |
| 05:16.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/w' (11 of 81): (/usr/bin/wbd) in net/wbd ;; (/usr/bin/wayv) in x11/wayv ;; (/usr/bin/w9wm) in x11/w9wm ;; (/usr/bin/wget) in web/wget ;; (/usr/bin/weex) in net/weex ;; (/usr/bin/wcat) in admin/sac ;; (/usr/bin/we) in editors/xwpe ;; (/usr/bin/wdiff) in text/wdiff ;; (/usr/bin/wammu) in comm/wammu ;; (/usr/bin/wcalc) in math/wcalc ;; (/usr/bin/webfsd) in web/webfs. |
| 05:17.01 | Dembug | when mrtg isnt there to save the day ;-) |
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| 05:17.09 | DavidProck1981 | i ran a server for a game and i chose the wrong option the i cant see it in a console and i want too be able to kill it |
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| 05:17.22 | Kevin` | hm none of those are just w |
| 05:17.24 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 05:17.42 | Kensey | David: what's the server called? |
| 05:17.55 | DavidProck1981 | server |
| 05:18.08 | DavidProck1981 | is the name of the file |
| 05:18.10 | Kensey | just server? |
| 05:18.14 | Kevin` | if the name is unique you can just do killall server |
| 05:18.15 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 05:18.30 | De_Mon | hmm my cellphone says its 12/14/2006 |
| 05:18.35 | Kensey | is the file the actual server binary or a script that runs the binary? |
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| 05:18.47 | De_Mon | what a nusance |
| 05:19.10 | linux_jones | where are kernel build files on etch? |
| 05:19.11 | geo-rge | set your tz right :) |
| 05:19.35 | Kevin` | linux_jones /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 05:19.39 | Kevin` | as always |
| 05:19.39 | geo-rge | try http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 05:19.56 | DavidProck1981 | how do i kill something by its pid = 6154 |
| 05:20.02 | geo-rge | man kill |
| 05:20.03 | Kevin` | kill 6154 |
| 05:20.18 | Kensey | if it won't die that way, kill -9 6154 |
| 05:20.22 | linux_jones | Kevin`, there is no build dir |
| 05:20.36 | Kevin` | linux_jones that could indicate the files aren' |
| 05:20.37 | geo-rge | but -9 is a pretty extreme, gorey kill |
| 05:20.39 | Kevin` | t installed |
| 05:20.41 | Kevin` | look in /usr/src |
| 05:21.01 | geo-rge | chester? |
| 05:21.10 | Kensey | yeah don't go around kill -9 ing everything in sight :) |
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| 05:21.16 | geoaxis | !exim |
| 05:21.16 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 05:21.41 | Kensey | that's a nice friendly kill |
| 05:21.46 | amphi | heh |
| 05:21.52 | geoaxis | !sendmail |
| 05:21.52 | dpkg | from memory, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
| 05:21.57 | Kensey | after that I had APT GET |
| 05:22.02 | Kevin` | hmm the minimal install didn't include apt |
| 05:22.17 | Kensey | apt-get install apt... oh wait... :) |
| 05:22.18 | geo-rge | !sendmail is also see |
| 05:22.18 | dpkg | geo-rge: okay |
| 05:22.21 | geoaxis | i need to configure exim , any pointers |
| 05:22.24 | geo-rge | err damn |
| 05:22.24 | Kevin` | Kensey indeed :) |
| 05:22.34 | Kevin` | gonna be a fun few minutes working out the dependencies |
| 05:22.40 | geo-rge | !sendmail |
| 05:22.40 | dpkg | methinks sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see |
| 05:22.47 | Kensey | hopefully you already have most of it |
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| 05:23.21 | geo-rge | !sendmail =~ s/see/see the oreilly book of the same name./ |
| 05:23.21 | dpkg | geo-rge: OK |
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| 05:23.58 | geo-rge | !sendmail |
| 05:23.59 | dpkg | from memory, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 05:24.14 | Kensey | yay backporting apt and manually fixing busted package installs! |
| 05:25.03 | Kensey | slightly off-topic, anybody know if Ubuntu has the whole dapper -> edgy upgrade mess sorted out? |
| 05:25.24 | Kensey | or was there no mess and it was all "streamlining" packages causing the trouble all along? |
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| 05:26.36 | geo-rge | Kensey: the debian answer would be... if they released edgy with the same standards as debian, then -definitely-, -no question about it-, it all works |
| 05:27.05 | geo-rge | if not... file a bug :) |
| 05:27.06 | odla | Kensey, ask #ubuntu |
| 05:27.38 | Goyim | is linuxant the only source for drivers for conexant modems? |
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| 05:27.48 | Kensey | amphi: apparently many people were getting unbootabnle or otherwise severely borked systems using official upgrade tool |
| 05:28.14 | Kensey | the devs in turn were noting the high proprtion of those users using compiz and automatix |
| 05:28.50 | amphi | I heard bad things about automatix... |
| 05:28.55 | Kensey | yeah me too |
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| 05:29.06 | odla | ubuntu and automatix are off-topic |
| 05:29.12 | geo-rge | under debian an "official upgrade tool" would not exist without a -released- -stable- dist to upgrade to :) |
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| 05:29.46 | amphi | Goyim: I spent time trying with alsa and slmodem drivers for my abomination, but no go, nothing but linuxant would work - I might have another bash at it |
| 05:29.49 | geo-rge | well it might exist but would not be called "official" |
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| 05:30.45 | niru | geo-rge:is it possible to write a shell script to see the preview of a .pdf file |
| 05:31.09 | Kevin` | can I have tar warn, and stop, instead of overwriting a file? |
| 05:31.15 | Kevin` | or warn and ask |
| 05:31.20 | niru | i mean all the slides in .pdf file can I see at a glance using a script |
| 05:31.45 | niru | if not the real pages atleast the page numbers |
| 05:31.46 | geo-rge | niru: more to the point, you'd find a program whose purpose it is to show previews |
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| 05:32.28 | niru | yes geo-rge |
| 05:32.33 | jjones | anyone know if lvm/mdadm supports multiple raid levels on the same disk span? |
| 05:32.46 | geo-rge | once you find such a program which is runnable from the shell, then the direct answer to your question is yes |
| 05:32.57 | niru | ok |
| 05:32.59 | Kensey | Kevin: -w |
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| 05:33.33 | Kensey | "When the --interactive (-w) option is specified, before reading, writing, or deleting files, tar first prints a message for each such file, telling what operation it intends to take, then asks for confirmation on the terminal." |
| 05:33.46 | niru | geo-rge:will google search do |
| 05:34.09 | Kevin` | Kensey I don't want to confirm every action, just the ones that would overwrite files |
| 05:34.12 | geo-rge | !info libxul0d etch |
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| 05:34.42 | dpkg | libxul0d: (Gecko engine library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.8.0.8-1 (etch), Packaged size: 5206 kB, Installed size: 13608 kB |
| 05:34.44 | awesomess3 | u guys...i just tried to upgrade a package...but then the Universe EXPLODED AND EVERYONE DIED BLOOD EVERYWHERE |
| 05:34.52 | centrx | sounds like a feature |
| 05:34.57 | Kensey | Kevin -k |
| 05:35.01 | geo-rge | a creature feature |
| 05:35.12 | Kevin` | awesomess3 somehow I think you are slightly exaggerating? |
| 05:35.16 | Kensey | "The --keep-old-files (-k) option prevents tar from replacing existing files with files with the same name from the archive." |
| 05:35.29 | Kevin` | that will silently fail though |
| 05:35.33 | Kevin` | I want it to ask |
| 05:36.43 | Kensey | dunno if you can do that |
| 05:37.14 | Kensey | like the man with the lips said, "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find... you get what you need." |
| 05:37.21 | geo-rge | well... of course you can get the source |
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| 05:38.02 | qiyong | offtpic, any1 free to offer some IT english review? |
| 05:38.37 | linux_jones | Kevin`, they are not there wither, can i apt-get them? |
| 05:38.52 | Kevin` | linux_jones yes, you can |
| 05:39.01 | geo-rge | packages.debian.org to look at packages |
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| 05:39.14 | Kevin` | apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 05:39.15 | Kevin` | iirc |
| 05:39.19 | linux_jones | Kevin`, what do i apt-get install ???? |
| 05:39.24 | geo-rge | packages.debian.org to look at packages |
| 05:39.30 | awesomess3 | Kevin`: Well I tried `apt-get install libc6-i686` but then it wants to uninstall 999382 packages and then install 7283 packages, I just don't get, just install and stop being a bad computer *slaps mouse* |
| 05:39.32 | Kevin` | i'm waiting for the command to complete on my little atheros computer |
| 05:39.38 | Kevin` | as it's the only one here running debian |
| 05:39.52 | Kevin` | linux_jones the one that matches your current kernel |
| 05:39.54 | geo-rge | awesomess3: you seem to be having a mixed pickle |
| 05:40.27 | linux_jones | Kevin`, but do i get the kernel-image or linux-image or what? |
| 05:40.30 | awesomess3 | geo-rge pickles and oatmeal...the relationship is just not working! |
| 05:40.45 | Kevin` | linux_jones you most likely already have kernel-image installed |
| 05:40.54 | Stevie-O | linux-image is used for the newer 2.6 kernels |
| 05:40.57 | Kevin` | for the kernel binary loaded on boot |
| 05:41.10 | Stevie-O | kernel-image is used for the older stuff (2.4 and older 2.6) |
| 05:41.27 | linux_jones | ok so what do i need to download? |
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| 05:41.35 | geo-rge | you need mayo, lemons, peanut butter, toasted ginger root, really strong onions and butter pecan ice cream |
| 05:41.41 | Kevin` | linux_jones linux or kernel-headers that matches your current kernel |
| 05:41.45 | Stevie-O | confused the hell out of me when they did that; I couldn't figure out where my kernel went |
| 05:41.53 | awesomess3 | Kensey: yeah because my stomach is not strong enough for coffee, I think I might switch to tea |
| 05:41.53 | geo-rge | add dish soap, lather, rince, repeat |
| 05:41.54 | Kensey | I just finished off a pint of pumpkin ice cream last night |
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| 05:42.05 | niru | geo-rge:not getting any solution |
| 05:42.09 | awesomess3 | geo-rge lol |
| 05:42.21 | Stevie-O | If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. |
| 05:42.35 | linux_jones | so for 2.6 it will be linux-headers according to stevie? |
| 05:42.59 | Stevie-O | newer 2.6 |
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| 05:43.08 | Stevie-O | linux_jones: if your kernel is installed by 'kernel-image-' it's kernel-headers. |
| 05:43.10 | awesomess3 | Steve-O: is that when water vapor turns into water droplets? |
| 05:43.12 | linux_jones | is 2.6.17 newer? |
| 05:43.18 | Stevie-O | yes |
| 05:43.22 | Stevie-O | I'm pretty sure |
| 05:43.25 | geo-rge | pre-cip-a-taayyyayyyshun... it's making me mix... |
| 05:43.40 | linux_jones | so it will be linux-headers for me? how do i find out for sure? |
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| 05:44.06 | awesomess3 | Kensey: 'tis the season for eggnog ice cream and egg nog oatmeal! |
| 05:44.12 | Kevin` | linux_jones install the one that matches your kernel version, like linux-headers-2.6.18-3 |
| 05:44.16 | Kevin` | not just linux-headers |
| 05:44.20 | Kevin` | or maybe you can |
| 05:44.23 | Kevin` | but |
| 05:44.28 | geo-rge | linux_jones: find out the name of the package you installed for the kernel |
| 05:44.39 | Kensey | awesomeness: I tried Jack Daniels oatmeal once |
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| 05:44.57 | awesomess3 | Kensey: is that a special brand? |
| 05:44.59 | amphi | linux_jones: what branch? |
| 05:44.59 | Kensey | it wasn't very good, but then again I just poured JD on top of plain oatmeal |
| 05:45.10 | geo-rge | usually the version of the neaders should match the version of the running kernel |
| 05:45.23 | xipietotec | actually even just a way to turn it off temporarily would be helpful...it's blocking sourceforge CVS servers, so I can't install some things I want |
| 05:45.24 | awesomess3 | Kensey: oh jeez :( lol |
| 05:45.25 | xipietotec | If anyone is familiar with Moblock I could seriously use the help |
| 05:45.29 | venger | can anyone tell me where I could see that emails were hung in exim4. I had a config problem earlier and during this time exim4/mainlog maded it appear everything was ok although emails weren't showing up. I'm not seeing anything in /var/log/exim4/* or /var/log/[mail*|syslog|messages] so it would be conveinaint to know elsewhere during the troubleshooting process.. |
| 05:45.30 | Kensey | a friend informes me I should have flambed it after I did that |
| 05:45.33 | geo-rge | branch-davidian! |
| 05:45.38 | Kevin` | hm that reminds me I should copy my kernel headers |
| 05:46.25 | geo-rge | niru: there are programs out there that do pdf stuff |
| 05:46.27 | linux_jones | apt-get says media change: please insert disk labled blah blah blah, what is this about |
| 05:46.28 | yoshio | linux_jones: what does the output of "dpkg -l |grep kernel-image" show? |
| 05:46.50 | Kensey | linux: it's trying to load it off an install CD |
| 05:46.54 | geo-rge | maybe his older kernels |
| 05:47.07 | Stevie-O | I can never remember the freaking syntax for egrep |
| 05:47.19 | awesomess3 | linux_jones: maybe check: /etc/apt/sources.list to make sure it's accessing the right place |
| 05:47.24 | rahul | Stevie-O: regex |
| 05:47.27 | geo-rge | perldoc perlretut :) |
| 05:47.29 | rahul | isn't it? |
| 05:47.41 | rahul | pcre are NOT regex |
| 05:47.47 | Stevie-O | not all regex are created equal |
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| 05:48.03 | rahul | Stevie-O: I think it's the non-emacs regex syntax |
| 05:48.10 | linux_jones | yoshio, nothing |
| 05:48.19 | geo-rge | Stevie-O: but all of them use regular grammars to define the language |
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| 05:48.23 | rahul | Stevie-O: that is, you use backslash to not get special behavior |
| 05:48.25 | rahul | geo-rge: no they don't |
| 05:48.41 | geo-rge | then they cannot be regexes |
| 05:48.45 | rahul | geo-rge: perl re is almost a little context-sensitive |
| 05:48.52 | geo-rge | oic |
| 05:48.54 | rahul | geo-rge: exactly. perl re is not regex. |
| 05:48.55 | yoshio | linux_jones: how about "dpkg -l |grep linux-image" |
| 05:49.12 | Kevin` | linux_jones you could just do uname -r |
| 05:49.12 | geo-rge | but it's close enough to learn from |
| 05:49.15 | rahul | except that it calls itself regex :P |
| 05:49.55 | Stevie-O | dpkg -l | grep -e "-image-$(uname -r)" |
| 05:49.56 | linux_jones | yoshio, linux-kernel2.6 |
| 05:49.56 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep -e "-image-$(uname -r)" |
| 05:50.00 | Stevie-O | bingo |
| 05:50.03 | Stevie-O | bah |
| 05:50.07 | geo-rge | egrep isn't regex either... it's (by definition) extended |
| 05:50.09 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 05:50.10 | iLLf8d | lo all |
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| 05:50.36 | rahul | geo-rge: er... I think grep is not regex |
| 05:50.38 | geo-rge | hehlo to yue tue |
| 05:50.40 | rahul | it's just globbing |
| 05:50.59 | geo-rge | rahul: I guess that's possible too |
| 05:51.03 | linux_jones | so i did apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 05:51.16 | Stevie-O | and? |
| 05:51.25 | rahul | In GNU grep, there is no difference in available functionality using either of the first two syntaxes. |
| 05:51.47 | rahul | first two being basic and extended regex |
| 05:51.51 | geo-rge | linux_jones: so the running kernel (uname -r) version is 2.6.17-2-686? |
| 05:51.57 | linux_jones | thats when it gives the stupid media change thing |
| 05:52.03 | Stevie-O | media change? |
| 05:52.07 | rahul | interesting. |
| 05:52.08 | Stevie-O | is it asking for a cd? |
| 05:52.11 | geo-rge | well look at your sources.list |
| 05:52.21 | Stevie-O | if you installed from a non-netinst cd it will default to pulling stuff from the cds |
| 05:52.23 | geo-rge | I'll bet that you have a cdrom source there |
| 05:52.24 | linux_jones | geo-rge, yes |
| 05:52.30 | Stevie-O | comment it out and apt-get update |
| 05:52.40 | linux_jones | i installed netinst |
| 05:52.40 | geo-rge | linux_jones: you've got the matching headers then |
| 05:53.09 | linux_jones | geo-rge, but it says some strange media change error when i try to apt-get it and asks for a cd |
| 05:54.17 | geo-rge | linux_jones: so: |
| 05:54.18 | geo-rge | I'll bet that you have a cdrom source there |
| 05:54.28 | geo-rge | well look at your sources.list |
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| 05:55.10 | DiamonD | Hellow fellows :) |
| 05:55.11 | geo-rge | apt-get -can- be used on cds which have (some of) the archive on it |
| 05:55.23 | linux_jones | where is the sources.list again? |
| 05:55.29 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.59 | geo-rge | same place it was the first time :) |
| 05:56.14 | linux_jones | do i just comment out the cd line? |
| 05:56.38 | geo-rge | you can, yes. I think the comment char is # but you can man 5 sources.list to make sure |
| 05:57.35 | geo-rge | after you change sources.list, what do you do next to update the package list files? |
| 05:57.50 | Stevie-O | comment char is # |
| 05:57.54 | Stevie-O | then apt-get update |
| 05:57.57 | geo-rge | (argh, I left the answer in there... argh) |
| 05:58.22 | geo-rge | he'll never learn himself if you keep handing out the answers :P |
| 05:58.41 | xipietotec | If anyone is familiar with Moblock I could seriously use the help |
| 05:59.28 | linux_jones | laptop:/etc/apt# apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 05:59.28 | linux_jones | Reading package lists... Done |
| 05:59.28 | linux_jones | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 05:59.28 | linux_jones | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 05:59.28 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 05:59.28 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 05:59.29 | linux_jones | oops |
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| 06:00.54 | niru | can I club two zenity commands to get all in one window |
| 06:01.37 | geo-rge | maybe... look into it... try... experiment... |
| 06:01.56 | linux_jones | what? |
| 06:02.51 | xipietotec | geo-rge: okay, my specific question is how to edit the blocklist so it'll stop blocking sourceforge cvs servers |
| 06:03.16 | yoshio | linux_jones: I looked for "linux-kernel2.6" on http://packages.debian.org/ - there is no kernel by that name - you must still be using the kernel installed by the installer - what does "uname -r" say? |
| 06:03.57 | amphi | linux_jones: you should be able to do '/exec -o uname -r' in your client |
| 06:05.55 | linux_jones | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:06.51 | geo-rge | !info fftw |
| 06:06.55 | atperez | The you used kernel-image2.6.17-2-686, that depends on linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:07.17 | linux_jones | 2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 06:08.32 | linux_jones | ? |
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| 06:09.27 | geo-rge | !info fftw etch |
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| 06:09.52 | geo-rge | !info fftw2 etch |
| 06:09.53 | linux_jones | so do i want kernel headers or linux-headers/? |
| 06:09.54 | dpkg | fftw2: (library for computing Fast Fourier Transforms), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-20 (etch), Packaged size: 220 kB, Installed size: 496 kB |
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| 06:10.49 | rahul | fftw! |
| 06:11.00 | rahul | wtfftw |
| 06:11.09 | atperez | kernel-headers is now a metapacakage that installs linux-headers I guess |
| 06:11.37 | linux_jones | metapackage |
| 06:11.40 | linux_jones | ? |
| 06:12.20 | linux_jones | so i need kernel-build package for ndiswrapper, so how do i do that |
| 06:12.29 | linux_jones | i mean kernel build files |
| 06:15.16 | linux_jones | all the options it gives me for kernel-headers are for 2.6.18 i need 2.6.17 |
| 06:16.50 | Stevie-O | use linux-headers |
| 06:17.22 | linux_jones | thats what it is, linux-headers 2.6.18 |
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| 06:19.06 | hooya | hi, the drives i need to install are on a card supported by the aacraid module which isn't available on the kernel used by the installer. they are available on the latest stable kernel. what's my best bet to change the kernel that the installer uses? |
| 06:19.19 | Unknow2007 | hello to all |
| 06:19.33 | geoaxis | how can i check if my exim is configured properly , (looking for a one liner) |
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| 06:19.44 | Unknow2007 | have a program that sender mailing lists? |
| 06:20.09 | hooya | last time i did the install, i hooked up an ide drive to where the cd was connected and did a cross install from that ide drive. a painful process. need to reinstall since i need to reconfigure the raid settings etc.. ideas? |
| 06:20.18 | Unknow2007 | Somebody knows to say me, where I find a program that mailing lists? |
| 06:20.30 | bobbyz | Hi, my laptop has difficulties getting an ip address on the wireless network at my college campus using dhclient, but pump works every time. Is there a way to change the networking scripts to use pump instead of dhclient for dhcp? |
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| 06:23.39 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
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| 06:23.51 | geo-rge | geoaxis: send some mail, receive some mail |
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| 06:25.17 | PumpkinPie | where can I shove a file in ram? I tried to create a file in /proc but it didn't let me? |
| 06:25.35 | bobbyz | PumpkinPie: mount a tmpfs filesystem |
| 06:25.35 | cahoot | bobbyz, tried dpkg-reconfigure dhckient (maybe) ? |
| 06:25.47 | geoaxis | geo-rge : yes , any command for doing that , i looked up one some time back ...dont remember |
| 06:25.50 | bobbyz | cahoot: no, I'll give that a shot |
| 06:26.06 | geo-rge | mail |
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| 06:26.36 | Kevin` | PumpkinPie use tmpfs |
| 06:26.44 | PumpkinPie | use tmpfs? |
| 06:26.44 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.49 | PumpkinPie | ok.. |
| 06:26.50 | Kevin` | otherwise mount one |
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| 06:27.12 | PumpkinPie | how do I see if /dev/shm is? |
| 06:27.28 | bobbyz | PumpkinPie: run 'mount' without args |
| 06:27.28 | cahoot | mount? |
| 06:27.36 | bobbyz | it will tell you the type of each mounted fs |
| 06:28.01 | atperez | Here is my question: What files can I see to find what's wrong when I try to use the "nv" driver on debian etch with a nvidia 7600 GS card? If /var/log/Xorg.0.log has no "(EE)" lines |
| 06:28.02 | PumpkinPie | mount /dev/shm ? |
| 06:28.20 | PumpkinPie | ah crap |
| 06:28.30 | PumpkinPie | that doesn't do anything bad right |
| 06:28.39 | PumpkinPie | it doesn't work either |
| 06:28.57 | bobbyz | [23:27] <bobbyz> PumpkinPie: run 'mount' without args |
| 06:29.15 | PumpkinPie | hrm |
| 06:29.40 | tenzing_ | hi .... can i install iceweasel by : apt-get install iceweasel? |
| 06:30.00 | PumpkinPie | devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) |
| 06:30.22 | rahul | wtf is this iceweasel that people keep blathering about? |
| 06:30.29 | rahul | !iceweasel |
| 06:30.29 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
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| 06:31.38 | tenzing_ | ohh.. so theres no iceweasel for etch? |
| 06:31.57 | bobbyz | !why iceweasel |
| 06:31.58 | dpkg | it has been said that why iceweasel is debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
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| 06:32.35 | tenzing_ | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 06:32.35 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 06:33.00 | bobbyz | interesting |
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| 06:35.12 | DavidProck1981 | in kde what ever folder you are in if u press F4 it will open a konsole with its current path the same as the folder that you are in, in Gnome it dont do that, How can i make it do that? |
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| 06:38.39 | pstickne | DavidProck1981, install KDE? ;)) that's like a feature of konqueror? |
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| 06:43.59 | PumpkinPie | are symlinks stored in ram ? |
| 06:44.31 | PumpkinPie | when you access a symlink in a repetitive fashion its going to access the hard drive just as many times as it accesses the resulting file? |
| 06:44.53 | rahul | yes |
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| 06:45.09 | rahul | PumpkinPie: it's just another name for the same file |
| 06:45.29 | rahul | a = b, b = c -> a = c |
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| 06:46.31 | geo-rge | stored in ram? symlinks are stored in a filesystem... if the filesystem is a ramdisk, then yes |
| 06:46.34 | Xormic | transitivve? |
| 06:47.03 | PumpkinPie | geo-rge: yeah im just trying to come up with what I want :P |
| 06:47.17 | rahul | PumpkinPie: what are you trying to stop? |
| 06:47.34 | geo-rge | the world he wants to get off?? |
| 06:47.43 | PumpkinPie | I want to move a file into ram but im guessing I dont want to symlink to over |
| 06:47.49 | rahul | PumpkinPie: then copy it |
| 06:47.55 | ^scott^ | Well, the disk cache should be kicking in shouldn't it? |
| 06:48.01 | PumpkinPie | rahul: I will |
| 06:48.05 | rahul | ^scott^: sane people would believe that :) |
| 06:48.28 | rahul | PumpkinPie: note that files in an shmfs can still be on disk |
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| 06:56.26 | geo-rge | !info bookmarkbridge etch |
| 06:56.28 | dpkg | bookmarkbridge: (tool to synchronize bookmarks between browsers), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.76-2 (etch), Packaged size: 280 kB, Installed size: 664 kB |
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| 06:58.17 | geo-rge | !info libasound2-plugins etch |
| 06:58.21 | dpkg | libasound2-plugins: (ALSA library additional plugins), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-3 (etch), Packaged size: 66 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
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| 06:59.49 | cast | if you cat a symlink twice surely it only accesses the disk once? |
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| 07:00.13 | cast | assuming you have enough memory anyway, |
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| 07:01.10 | geo-rge | twice within a few secs maybe,,, twice a year maybe not :) |
| 07:01.21 | cast | aye. |
| 07:02.07 | DavidProck1981 | hay in kde the is a clipboard app called klipper (i think), what is it called in gnome, or is it even installed? |
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| 07:03.30 | rahul | DavidProck1981: you can use any apps whenever you want |
| 07:03.34 | rahul | install what you want. |
| 07:03.38 | cahoot | DavidProck1981, try apt-cache search |
| 07:03.46 | rahul | kde and gnome are collections, not restrictions |
| 07:03.59 | rahul | but they are constrictions ;) |
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| 07:06.50 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:07.20 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: one day, you will find that you can do things for yourself, like get dressed and wipe your own arse |
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| 07:09.08 | niru | geo-rge:is there any command is bash for counting the number of pages |
| 07:09.14 | niru | and displaying them |
| 07:09.21 | niru | anybody else please |
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| 07:10.28 | sep | niru, how long is a page ? |
| 07:11.07 | pstickne | 130 lines. duh. |
| 07:11.36 | sep | niru, but wc -l would count lines divided by your idea of nr lines/page :) |
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| 07:13.15 | pstickne | then you have nasty ^L's and the like sneaking in. |
| 07:14.08 | sep | yeah well :) |
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| 07:36.07 | sid | How hard is nagios to setup on 10 machines? |
| 07:36.58 | sep | less hard then a rock, but more hard then a sponge |
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| 07:37.48 | sid | If I can setup php/mysql/apache2/phpbb2 on debian, can I setup nagios? |
| 07:38.23 | sep | sid if you can read man pages and know what /usr/share/doc is for, and you can use google. you should be fine. |
| 07:39.21 | sid | sep: some guy at my lug makes it seem ridiculously hard and crazy to setup...I've set stuff up before..but I feel intimidated by nagios.. is this the case is nagios "crazy"? |
| 07:39.54 | sep | nagios may seam hard and complex to configuer, becouse it can do a _lot_ |
| 07:40.29 | sep | if all you want is graphs munin is easier |
| 07:40.37 | niru | sep:I want page count in a pdf file |
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| 07:40.50 | sep | if you need multi machine, multi admin, multi alter depending on service group vs admin groups nagios is the way to go |
| 07:41.48 | kintaro0e | hi guys...how to redirect lsof output to a file? |
| 07:41.49 | tuv | cacti is nice too |
| 07:43.18 | sep | niru, use pdf2ps to make a postscript out of it, then count it with psutils's pselect -p_1 or something. |
| 07:43.23 | sep | i have basicaly no clue to pdf's |
| 07:43.26 | qiyong | anyone free here? |
| 07:43.41 | niru | pdf2ps? whats that sep |
| 07:43.44 | sep | qiyong, no i carde 900$/hoer |
| 07:43.54 | sep | niru, converts pdf to postscript |
| 07:44.06 | sep | s/carde/charge |
| 07:44.45 | sep | qiyong, or if you mean if im available for marriage, that's a no too :) |
| 07:45.59 | niru | how sep:is psutils for page count |
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| 07:47.31 | qiyong | sep: i expect some english help here |
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| 07:47.53 | sep | niru, you might even get away with grep -c %%Page: file.ps on the postscript file if it's formatted correctly |
| 07:48.01 | lastnode_ | [crystalgirl], is a spambot |
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| 07:48.37 | sep | qiyong, you ask stupid questions, you get stupid answers. dont ask for "free" people to hold your hand, ask the whole channel in as much detain as possible |
| 07:48.46 | sep | !tell qiyong about ask |
| 07:48.46 | niru | sep:it came :) |
| 07:48.53 | Supaplex | !ops [crystalgirl] = spambot |
| 07:48.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: supaplex complains about: [crystalgirl] = spambot |
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| 07:49.20 | niru | sep:now how can i display those pages |
| 07:50.29 | sep | niru, xpdf / kpfd/acroread depending on your religion |
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| 07:50.55 | qiyong | sep: it's a bit offtopic, so i don't like to ask here |
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| 07:51.06 | sep | qiyong, then dont ask here :) |
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| 07:51.33 | qiyong | sep: i expect some warm heart pepple lend a hand from here |
| 07:51.39 | niru | sep:I did not mean that |
| 07:51.56 | sep | qiyong, hahahahhaaaaaa (sorry) :) |
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| 07:53.16 | sep | qiyong, it's generaly impossible to get help when you don't even give a clue to what it's about. how can anyone in here know if they have a clue about your problem when your so secretive |
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| 07:56.03 | yunhual | hi, is there any official Debian liveCD ? |
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| 07:56.23 | Supaplex | !live |
| 07:56.23 | dpkg | i guess live is not evil. |
| 07:56.31 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 07:56.49 | Supaplex | silly dpkg |
| 07:57.01 | tuv | dsl is good, not official though |
| 07:57.21 | sep | !livecd |
| 07:57.21 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 07:57.22 | Supaplex | there is debian-live |
| 07:57.25 | stew | yunhual: live.debian.net, not yet official though |
| 07:57.38 | Supaplex | it's more so then dsl :P |
| 07:58.00 | Supaplex | it's actually in etch now |
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| 07:58.52 | dorel__ | ODD |
| 07:58.57 | dorel__ | apt-get seg faulted |
| 07:59.12 | Xorm | utoh. |
| 07:59.16 | dorel__ | stew: check this out http://pastebin.ca/277505 |
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| 08:00.45 | qiyong | sep: it's about some IT bussiness paragraph |
| 08:02.00 | dorel__ | ahh, seems like its just a corrupted file issue |
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| 08:07.10 | sep | qiyong, then atlest i know i have no clue about it. :) perhaps if it's a legal matter and somewhat debian related then debian-legal might aid you |
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| 08:14.12 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 08:14.44 | peterS | morning, Mr. XP |
| 08:15.13 | SlayerXP | fo sup m'nizzle |
| 08:16.43 | qiyong | sep: i've /msg ed you |
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| 08:17.54 | sep | qiyong, you are not identified so you can not. and even if you could it would server no purpose |
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| 08:20.04 | coywolf | sep: i forget my password :( |
| 08:20.17 | Grub_Now | where to? |
| 08:20.25 | Grub_Now | oh |
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| 08:20.58 | coywolf | sep: would you like to see my offtopic paste in #flood? |
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| 08:21.27 | karsten | coywolf: "Care to look at my etchings" is _so_ much more effective. |
| 08:21.39 | sep | coywolf, i am confused what are we talking about again ? |
| 08:22.41 | sep | opps... sorry... :/ |
| 08:23.12 | sep | haha :) |
| 08:23.31 | sep | i dont know much abuot art... luckily :) |
| 08:24.10 | coywolf | karsten: hi, what you problem is, would you help me with my english? |
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| 08:26.34 | karsten | coywolf: I'm not up for much longer, sorry. |
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| 08:27.54 | karsten | coywolf: bu shi |
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| 08:34.49 | dimir | Moin |
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| 08:36.56 | maxamillion | if i just do a debian base install for home server use, would this machine be sufficient with its default hardware specs? http://www.ztechshop.net/computers/sub-100/ ? |
| 08:37.26 | karsten | maxamillion: What sort of services? |
| 08:37.44 | maxamillion | all i plan to do with it is run lighttpd, moinmoin (stripped down), and vsftpd for personal play and testing of web development |
| 08:38.01 | maxamillion | i was thinking i might want to up the ram ... that's my only concern |
| 08:38.10 | karsten | maxamillion: Probably. |
| 08:38.11 | maxamillion | i know the cpu will be enough and i don't need much hdd space |
| 08:38.21 | karsten | maxamillion: It's a bit light on RAM, and 8 GB is a *tiny* HD. |
| 08:38.50 | geo-rge | maxamillion: sufficiency is all well and good... but compatibility is a necessary thing |
| 08:38.54 | maxamillion | karsten: yeah, but i have a test server i use at work for the same thing that has 500gb of storage and i have only used 2.5 :/ |
| 08:39.03 | maxamillion | geo-rge: compatibility? |
| 08:39.05 | karsten | maxamillion: ... by current standards. Thing is you could probably buy an old PIII, toss a few hundred GB of storage, andclose to 1 GB of RAM, for the same price. |
| 08:39.20 | geo-rge | sure, you need hardware that linux can talk to |
| 08:39.31 | maxamillion | karsten: think i could pull off a $75 price tag for something like that? |
| 08:39.41 | karsten | maxamillion: If you wanted to use this for file storage, 8 GB is minuscule. |
| 08:39.44 | maxamillion | geo-rge: this company ships all its machines with linux pre-installed |
| 08:39.48 | karsten | maxamillion: Fairly close. |
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| 08:40.02 | geo-rge | debian? |
| 08:40.09 | maxamillion | karsten: not really file storage, maybe a backup of no more than 500mb of personal data |
| 08:40.14 | maxamillion | geo-rge: yup |
| 08:40.24 | karsten | maxamillion: I usually end up with that sort of thing for free ;-) |
| 08:40.25 | maxamillion | geo-rge: anything you request actually, debian is on their list |
| 08:40.32 | geo-rge | I see |
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| 08:40.45 | karsten | maxamillion: Kentucky/ |
| 08:40.49 | karsten | maxamillion: s,/,?, |
| 08:40.57 | maxamillion | karsten: yeah, there are services ... this would just be for fun and the price seemed right but, like you, i am concerned about the ram |
| 08:41.03 | maxamillion | karsten: no, Texas |
| 08:41.09 | karsten | OK. |
| 08:41.16 | maxamillion | karsten: why you ask? |
| 08:41.16 | karsten | Tyler, TX, I'll bet. |
| 08:41.21 | maxamillion | karsten: nope |
| 08:41.27 | karsten | Feh. |
| 08:41.33 | karsten | Your IP's there, then ;-) |
| 08:41.36 | maxamillion | karsten: huntsville ... at shsu for my comp sci under grad |
| 08:41.40 | maxamillion | karsten: lol |
| 08:41.51 | maxamillion | karsten: 74 miles actually |
| 08:41.54 | maxamillion | :) |
| 08:41.55 | karsten | !win me |
| 08:41.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 08:42.10 | maxamillion | karsten: where you sitting on the globe? |
| 08:42.22 | karsten | maxamillion: No globes here. |
| 08:42.25 | maxamillion | lol |
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| 08:42.33 | karsten | On top. |
| 08:43.04 | maxamillion | karsten: well ... i think i will be getting this machine, the small size is nice too .... that's also a selling point, but i will try to justify the price for the ram ... thanks for your advice :) |
| 08:43.22 | karsten | maxamillion: Small size: limited upgrades and watch out for component failure. |
| 08:43.22 | maxamillion | i have to go study for finals ... ttyl |
| 08:43.32 | karsten | maxamillion: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sys?maxAsk=125&query=pentium%20III |
| 08:43.41 | maxamillion | karsten: rgr, thanks :) |
| 08:43.47 | maxamillion | i'm off to my studies |
| 08:43.49 | maxamillion | laters |
| 08:43.54 | karsten | SF, not TX, but FYI. |
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| 08:57.19 | niru | #! /bin/bash |
| 08:57.19 | niru | f=$(grep -c %%Page: Bugzilla-Guide.ps) |
| 08:57.19 | niru | for i in $f; |
| 08:57.19 | niru | do |
| 08:57.19 | niru | echo "page" $i |
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| 08:57.39 | E-bola | hostname: Unknown host |
| 08:57.46 | E-bola | what does this mean when apt-get fails with that message? |
| 08:57.53 | E-bola | I was trying to upgrade my mailscanner installation |
| 08:58.10 | SlayerXP | E-bola: at a guess, a host lookup failed. |
| 08:58.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:58.20 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:59.10 | Kevin` | how can I build a cross compiler on arch a, that will run on arch b and compile for arch b |
| 08:59.13 | E-bola | why would mailscanner do a host lookup when upgrading? |
| 08:59.20 | E-bola | salyerxp? |
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| 09:00.06 | Kevin` | alternately, |
| 09:00.22 | Kevin` | if anyone has a mips computer of reasonable performance I could do some compiling on.. :) |
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| 09:07.04 | saintiss | can I request a version update of a pkg somewher? |
| 09:07.40 | g333k | hi, can I use a printer connected to a winbugs box in the net? |
| 09:07.51 | tarzeau | damn a debian etch standard install costs 576mb after apt-get clean? |
| 09:09.15 | pstickne | g333k, I haven't heard of "winbugs" before.... |
| 09:09.34 | g333k | pstickne, windows |
| 09:10.00 | pstickne | oh, in that case, can't you just use samba? |
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| 09:10.29 | pstickne | or does windows support IPP? (in which case you could use uhh, whatever it's called) |
| 09:10.48 | g333k | pstickne, I was trying with cups |
| 09:10.58 | pstickne | ahh. cups. that is what I was looking for. |
| 09:11.15 | pstickne | that works directly with printers shared via smb? |
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| 09:12.44 | g333k | pstickne, I think that no... my tests are failing |
| 09:12.58 | pstickne | :( |
| 09:14.26 | g333k | do I need to install some pkg? |
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| 09:15.52 | sep | !cups setup |
| 09:15.52 | dpkg | cups setup is probably Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 09:16.05 | sep | you should be able to print both using smb and directly with cups. |
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| 09:17.17 | sep | for smb printing you probably need smbclient too |
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| 09:20.01 | karsten | pstickne: Yes, cups supports SMB/CIFS printing. |
| 09:20.15 | karsten | pstickne: ... as well as ipp, and a few other options. |
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| 09:22.54 | pstickne | cool. |
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| 09:30.07 | crazy_penguin | could someone tell me that the passwd database in the postfix chroot must contain also the system and daemon accounts or could just contain the user accounts (the receipient accounts)? |
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| 09:30.48 | crazy_penguin | p.s. is configured to read the passwd and use thos accounts |
| 09:31.01 | crazy_penguin | err /is/postfix is* |
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| 09:34.21 | Han | What's the name of the console application that manages servers and runlevels? (not bum) |
| 09:34.45 | crazy_penguin | sysv-rc-conf |
| 09:34.47 | Guerin | Han: /msg dpkg services |
| 09:34.50 | crazy_penguin | Han:^^ |
| 09:34.54 | Guerin | there are several |
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| 09:35.58 | Han | crazy_penguin, cheers. |
| 09:36.33 | crazy_penguin | Han: :) |
| 09:36.56 | g333k | karsten, so I can add a network printer using ipp? |
| 09:37.19 | g333k | karsten, I think the problem is that windows XP doesnt support ipp |
| 09:37.28 | Guerin | crazy_penguin: in response to your postfix question, the database must contain any account which needs to be accessed by the authentication mechanisms |
| 09:37.39 | crazy_penguin | i see |
| 09:37.44 | crazy_penguin | thx Guerin |
| 09:37.58 | Guerin | g333k: so use http:// |
| 09:39.02 | saintiss | can I request a version update of a pkg somewher? |
| 09:39.09 | Guerin | saintiss: no. |
| 09:39.18 | Dembug | Hey guys i want to die, im trying to compile a udev kernel but it keeps looking for the devfs :< anything i can do ? |
| 09:39.28 | saintiss | ok |
| 09:39.31 | Guerin | saintiss: (the answer is`maybe', but you need to be more specific) |
| 09:39.38 | Kevin` | Dembug "it"? |
| 09:39.42 | Guerin | Dembug: use a debian kernel |
| 09:39.59 | saintiss | Guerin, I've noticed libgphoto2 is up to version 2.3.0 now, but even experimental hasn't got it yet |
| 09:40.00 | Dembug | i cant |
| 09:40.03 | Dembug | i need latest unfortunately |
| 09:40.11 | Kevin` | that might actually be the easiest way, if you install a debian kernel it will install udev too |
| 09:40.17 | Guerin | Dembug: define `latest' |
| 09:40.19 | saintiss | Guerin, and 2.3.0 has a bugfix I need :) |
| 09:40.21 | Kevin` | don't have to USE it, of course ;) |
| 09:40.22 | Dembug | 2.6.19-rc3 |
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| 09:40.29 | g333k | karsten, even if it is a local network printer? |
| 09:40.35 | Dembug | pretty recent backport |
| 09:40.39 | Guerin | saintiss: is there a bug filed in the BTS? |
| 09:40.50 | Dembug | most recent ive used, I've always been able to dodge the cramfs magic issue |
| 09:40.54 | Guerin | Dembug: rc kernels are't ever in debian |
| 09:41.08 | Dembug | ive been sitting here for about 9 hours trying to get devfs to go away and boot my kernel |
| 09:41.11 | Kevin` | Dembug why are you using cramfs? |
| 09:41.12 | Guerin | Dembug: the answer is that you need to configure your kernel properly - to not use devfs |
| 09:41.14 | saintiss | Guerin, in libgphoto's BTS I'd imagine, since it's not debian specific |
| 09:41.18 | Guerin | which is deprecated, i think |
| 09:41.24 | Dembug | Kevin`: I dont want to ;/ I just cant work out how to compile udev into the kernel |
| 09:41.31 | Dembug | and im searching frantically for a howto, cant find any :< |
| 09:41.41 | Guerin | saintiss: it should still be filed in debian's BTS |
| 09:41.46 | Kevin` | Dembug hold, I almost remember the required option |
| 09:41.54 | saintiss | Guerin, ok, I'll do that |
| 09:41.57 | Guerin | saintiss: so check, and file if necessary, with an indication that it's fixed upstream |
| 09:42.03 | Dembug | Kevin` Thanks dude, im banging the wall atm mate ;( |
| 09:42.14 | Dembug | this about my 30th compile tonight |
| 09:42.24 | Guerin | you have a fast compyter |
| 09:42.26 | Kevin` | Dembug http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml |
| 09:42.28 | Dembug | yeah |
| 09:42.30 | Dembug | its a core 2 duo |
| 09:43.04 | Kevin` | obviously some of that isn't applicable, but it should be useful |
| 09:43.28 | Dembug | cool :) |
| 09:43.30 | Dembug | thx dude |
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| 09:45.09 | psycodad | running sarge, do you have any recommendations for a nice gui-ftp client (i.e. like filezilla for winblows) ? |
| 09:45.16 | petemc | gftp |
| 09:45.58 | Guerin | mm, what tools should I install to make my laptop's battery performance more betterer? |
| 09:47.04 | Dembug | i suppose i should use the backport sources :) |
| 09:47.21 | Dembug | (for apt) |
| 09:47.22 | Kevin` | are you sure the problem is in the kernel, and not the init system? |
| 09:47.33 | Kevin` | if I were me I would just use etch :) |
| 09:47.37 | Dembug | well could be the init system :< I really have no idea |
| 09:47.41 | Dembug | Kevin` ;-) |
| 09:47.50 | Dembug | im tempted tbh because this is becoming madness |
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| 09:48.08 | nyk2005 | hello! |
| 09:48.18 | Dembug | i have absolutely no idea to stop devfs from loading :D |
| 09:48.21 | Dembug | must be a kernel issue, must be. |
| 09:48.33 | Kevin` | apt-get install udev? :) |
| 09:48.34 | nyk2005 | I don't find zope.conf in debian... |
| 09:48.35 | Dembug | complains about teh wrong magic anyway |
| 09:48.42 | Dembug | Kevin`: come on ;-) ive tried that sorta stuff hehe |
| 09:48.45 | Kevin` | Dembug "magic"? |
| 09:48.52 | Kevin` | Dembug are you using an initrd? |
| 09:49.08 | Dembug | apparently ;| |
| 09:49.11 | Kevin` | why? |
| 09:49.12 | Dembug | ive tried without |
| 09:49.19 | Dembug | i get a similar error |
| 09:49.22 | Dembug | as it dries devfs anyway |
| 09:49.25 | Dembug | *tries |
| 09:49.38 | Kevin` | well remove it from fstab or wherever it tried it |
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| 09:50.10 | Dembug | ok my last recompile |
| 09:50.11 | Dembug | heh |
| 09:52.03 | Dembug | im gonna use initramfs i think |
| 09:52.07 | Dembug | ive had some success with that |
| 09:52.11 | Kevin` | why use it |
| 09:52.14 | Kevin` | why do you need it |
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| 09:55.30 | Dembug | heh |
| 09:55.47 | Dembug | Kevin` i cant get a kernel to compile ;/ |
| 09:55.54 | Dembug | uhm shit , i mean I can.. |
| 09:55.56 | Kevin` | Dembug well that's not good |
| 09:55.57 | Dembug | I just cant get it to boot reliably |
| 09:55.59 | Dembug | :( |
| 09:55.59 | Kevin` | ah |
| 09:56.05 | Dembug | yeah im sooo tired |
| 09:56.07 | Dembug | its 10am |
| 09:56.08 | Dembug | no sleep |
| 09:56.20 | Dembug | i just want to get udev working and stop cramfs, but ive no idea how :( |
| 09:56.26 | Kevin` | well any ideas what would cause this? :) http://pastebin.ca/277520 |
| 09:56.39 | Kevin` | cramfs is probably used for the initrd |
| 09:56.41 | Kevin` | as it's read only |
| 09:56.46 | Kevin` | why are you using an initrd |
| 09:56.53 | Dembug | looks like mixed environment |
| 09:56.57 | Dembug | 32bit and 64bit modules |
| 09:57.01 | Dembug | that are dependant |
| 09:57.02 | Dembug | maybe? |
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| 09:57.15 | Dembug | Kevin` how can i get rid of initrd in the kernel? |
| 09:57.21 | Dembug | afaik cramfs isnt in the kernel anymore |
| 09:57.22 | Kevin` | that's just it. the only thing 64 bit is that stupdi error message |
| 09:57.29 | Guerin | Dembug: build your kernel properly |
| 09:57.59 | g333k | now that Etch is frozen... is it safe if I upgrade all my pkgs? |
| 09:57.59 | Kevin` | Dembug initrd is NORMALLY (see: x86 computers with lilo/grub) provided by the bootloader |
| 09:58.04 | Kevin` | so configure grub |
| 09:58.09 | Dembug | heh |
| 09:58.24 | Dembug | i might be able to remove it i guess |
| 09:58.50 | Kevin` | why would they remove cramfs from the kernel |
| 09:58.53 | Kevin` | that doesn't make much sense |
| 09:58.56 | nyk2005 | I have a problem with zope: My zope-DB gets rapidly bigger even if I don't make any changes in zope. It just because the pages in ZMS are being watched and logged. It creates some GB every day and HDD space is limited! Does someone know that problem? Or how to set the zope-DB read-only? |
| 09:59.02 | Dembug | hmm ok |
| 09:59.03 | Kevin` | unless there's a much better readonly compressed filesystem? |
| 09:59.07 | Dembug | so filesystems-> pseudo filesystems |
| 09:59.24 | g333k | karsten, Guerin, pstickne: I finally added the windows printer using samba+cups, what I need was smbclient so when you add a printer then appears the option Windows smb printer |
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| 10:00.01 | Kevin` | Dembug if you have support for your hardware in your kernel, having initrd support will not cause trouble, it will just go unused if you don't use it |
| 10:00.17 | Dembug | i have all the support i need in the kernel |
| 10:00.20 | Dembug | its just cramfs farking it up |
| 10:00.24 | Dembug | and fsdev ;\ |
| 10:00.32 | Kevin` | wtf are you talking about :/ |
| 10:00.37 | Kevin` | why are you using cramfs at all |
| 10:00.43 | Dembug | look |
| 10:00.46 | Dembug | ive been doing this 10 hours |
| 10:00.50 | Dembug | im not going to make the best of sense m8 |
| 10:00.55 | Kevin` | ok fine |
| 10:00.57 | Kevin` | type this: |
| 10:01.00 | Kevin` | make |
| 10:01.13 | Kevin` | cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot |
| 10:01.15 | Kevin` | reboot |
| 10:01.18 | Kevin` | c |
| 10:01.24 | nyk2005 | I've seen that I can set 'read-only-database on' in zope.conf, but I don't HAVE that file in my debian installation. I even used locate and find/grep... |
| 10:01.27 | Kevin` | kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/whatever |
| 10:01.28 | Kevin` | boot |
| 10:02.20 | pstickne | g333k, ahh |
| 10:02.24 | Dembug | heh |
| 10:03.05 | g333k | see ya tomorrow.... gotta go to bed |
| 10:03.07 | Kevin` | you may have to wait for the exact correct amount of time between some of those lines, of course |
| 10:03.12 | Kevin` | and you might need additional lines |
| 10:03.21 | Dembug | im well aware of that |
| 10:03.22 | Kevin` | but all that should be obvious |
| 10:03.25 | Kevin` | :) |
| 10:03.28 | Dembug | believe it or not im not completely useless |
| 10:03.34 | Dembug | but i am after 10 hours constant compiling :< |
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| 10:04.40 | Speeder | whoa |
| 10:04.42 | Speeder | big chan |
| 10:04.49 | Kevin` | hi Speeder |
| 10:05.09 | Speeder | can someoen here help me with a little server problem? |
| 10:05.25 | Kevin` | that depends what the problem is |
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| 10:06.11 | Speeder | both apache and SunUO keep saying that they are on 127.0.0.1, overring any manual address configuration... |
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| 10:06.28 | Speeder | And also my network boards keep changing the name |
| 10:06.39 | Dembug | Kevin` what if i actually removed the initramfs support from the kernel? |
| 10:06.41 | Kevin` | you have it configured to use 0.0.0.0? |
| 10:06.51 | Speeder | eth0 turn into eth1 and eth1 turn into eth0 everytime that I reboot... |
| 10:06.58 | Kevin` | Dembug I think the information from the bootloader would be ignored |
| 10:07.09 | Kevin` | Speeder ifrename |
| 10:07.11 | utrrrongeeb | How can I change the speed that pppd dials phone numbers at? |
| 10:07.18 | Speeder | ifrename? |
| 10:07.22 | Speeder | let me see... |
| 10:07.24 | Kevin` | you can configure it to name the interfaces based on mac address |
| 10:07.35 | Kevin` | so it's static |
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| 10:07.46 | Speeder | where I find it? |
| 10:07.52 | Speeder | it does not seen to be a command... |
| 10:07.57 | Kevin` | google or apt perhaps |
| 10:08.04 | Speeder | thanks |
| 10:08.05 | Dembug | Kevin` so remove from kernel then yea? |
| 10:08.15 | Kevin` | Dembug it shouldn't matter |
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| 10:08.20 | Dembug | oki oki |
| 10:08.35 | Dembug | im booting off raid 1 so maybe it does ;-D |
| 10:08.42 | Dembug | it should probably be there :< |
| 10:08.50 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 10:09.01 | Dembug | im reducing the kernel size too |
| 10:09.02 | Kevin` | remember when I asked why you were using an initrd? :) |
| 10:09.02 | Dembug | maybe that will help |
| 10:09.07 | Kevin` | that would be a good reason to use one :) |
| 10:09.07 | Dembug | aye :O |
| 10:09.11 | Dembug | haha yeah :)) |
| 10:09.12 | Dembug | it would |
| 10:09.20 | Dembug | at least if i actually want it to boot |
| 10:09.20 | Dembug | :) |
| 10:09.23 | Kevin` | I hate using them though |
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| 10:09.28 | Dembug | yes |
| 10:09.36 | Dembug | im getting fucked off tbh ;O so plz excuse my spam/bs |
| 10:09.47 | Kevin` | if I ever use one it's hand made |
| 10:09.54 | nyk2005 | Why is there no zope.conf in the debian install of zope?? I just can't believe it! |
| 10:11.17 | k31th | Guys might sound dumb but how do you change a username ? |
| 10:11.42 | k31th | usermod -l oldname newname ??? |
| 10:11.49 | Kevin` | usermod -l newname oldname |
| 10:11.59 | L4m3r | lol |
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| 10:12.16 | Dembug | Kevin` one more question before i goto bed and die mate ;< how can i use initramfs-tools to generate me a initramfs that isnt going to give me magic fs / kernel panic :< |
| 10:12.19 | Kevin` | be careful of references to the old name |
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| 10:12.29 | Dembug | i feel like a troll tbh ;< but meh 10 hours.. |
| 10:12.30 | Dembug | :D |
| 10:12.37 | Mikel0 | help! my swap has been deactivated |
| 10:12.40 | Kevin` | Dembug as I said, in the rare cases I use an initrd I make it by hand |
| 10:12.55 | Kevin` | Mikel0 activate it? |
| 10:13.13 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, how? :-) |
| 10:13.21 | Kevin` | swapon file |
| 10:13.37 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, which file? |
| 10:13.45 | Kevin` | the one you want to use as swap |
| 10:13.50 | geo-rge | but debian's make-kpkg creates the ramfs image automatically based on how you've configured some of the ramfs things... by default it includes the modules it sees are necessary to mount root |
| 10:13.51 | Kevin` | device node or regular file |
| 10:14.05 | Mikel0 | oh |
| 10:14.07 | Mikel0 | ok |
| 10:14.11 | Kevin` | or just do swapon -a |
| 10:14.13 | Kevin` | I suppose |
| 10:14.17 | utrrrongeeb | How can I change the speed that pppd dials phone numbers at? |
| 10:14.48 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, swapon: /dev/disk/by-uuid/03a57325-6f57-4554-99ab-c1c006640044: Invalid argument |
| 10:14.49 | Kevin` | utrrrongeeb the device or driver does this, have a loot at the AT command set |
| 10:14.50 | geo-rge | you don't change pppd, you change the modem by sending it appropriate commands |
| 10:15.01 | sussudio | utrrrongeeb: ats11? |
| 10:15.08 | Kevin` | Mikel0 wtf @ that name |
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| 10:15.18 | Kevin` | Mikel0 check what dmesg says |
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| 10:15.20 | Kevin` | for errors |
| 10:15.39 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, Unable to find swap-space signature |
| 10:15.49 | geo-rge | utrrrongeeb: /msg dpkg repeat |
| 10:16.03 | Kevin` | Mikel0 it is either not swapspace, is not formatted, or was damaged |
| 10:16.24 | utrrrongeeb | Kevin`,sussudio: So I need to have it send this command to the modem first? |
| 10:16.28 | Kevin` | Mikel0 if your sure it's swapspace you could format it |
| 10:16.32 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, probably the last one u said |
| 10:16.40 | Kevin` | utrrrongeeb you'd put in in the script that does the dialing |
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| 10:17.00 | sussudio | utrrrongeeb: you mean the time between digits, right |
| 10:17.46 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, it should be /dev/hda5 |
| 10:18.11 | Kevin` | if you are sure that's correct you can do mkswap /dev/hda5 |
| 10:18.24 | Kevin` | modems don't come with manuals |
| 10:18.30 | Kevin` | they come with windows install booklets |
| 10:18.31 | utrrrongeeb | sussudio: Yes, WinXP dials much faster than KPPP here. |
| 10:18.36 | geo-rge | mine do |
| 10:18.39 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, how do i check? what if it's wrong? |
| 10:18.44 | geo-rge | I never bought a winmodem |
| 10:19.03 | Kevin` | Mikel0 if it's wrong you would erase whatever is there. it's something you should know |
| 10:19.11 | Kevin` | you could check by tryign to mount it normally |
| 10:19.14 | Kevin` | or run file -s on it |
| 10:19.21 | geo-rge | always bought rockwell chipset modems, with hardware uarts |
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| 10:19.51 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, how do i check /dev/hda5's size? |
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| 10:20.05 | Kevin` | Mikel0 easiest to look at /proc/partitions |
| 10:20.30 | geo-rge | or fdisk -l |
| 10:20.32 | sussudio | utrrrongeeb: you can either put it in the pppd config or you can write it to your modem permanently. if you want to write it permanently, go into minicom and do atz ats11=50 at&w on seperate lines |
| 10:20.43 | L4m3r | you know, I always think of setting up linux as a PITA |
| 10:20.56 | L4m3r | and then, I boot Windows and start installing its drivers... >_< |
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| 10:21.25 | geo-rge | so your conclusion is both OSes are PITAs? |
| 10:21.30 | utrrrongeeb | sussudio: Thanks a lot. The modem will remember that? |
| 10:21.55 | sussudio | utrrrongeeb: it should unless someone removed those features. |
| 10:22.12 | geo-rge | you send that in the dial script, the dial script remembers, the modem might but doesn't have to |
| 10:22.16 | L4m3r | no... Debian has its issues, but next to Windows it's pretty good about recognizing hardware :x |
| 10:22.37 | geo-rge | debian used to have zero hardware detection |
| 10:22.41 | L4m3r | :o |
| 10:22.43 | geo-rge | you had to KNOW your hardware |
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| 10:23.07 | utrrrongeeb | sussudio: This modem is a Intel Winmodem. Would it have those features? |
| 10:23.50 | L4m3r | I love how 90% of it works OOTB and another 9% just needs you to fetch something via apt-get :) |
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| 10:24.09 | geo-rge | and to the extent you experiment with hardware, you still have to know |
| 10:24.23 | sussudio | utrrrongeeb: i don't know, i've never used crap. |
| 10:24.30 | geo-rge | yeah, that can be nice |
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| 10:25.10 | L4m3r | then another 0.9% is a PITA to make work, and the remaining 0.1% will never, ever work. Ever. |
| 10:25.30 | utrrrongeeb | sussudio: One more thing, does the modem remember that setting through shutdowns and reboots? Or does it have to be run each time I boot to Debian? |
| 10:25.31 | L4m3r | Like, it's cursed by some paperclip-shaped demon or something |
| 10:26.01 | sussudio | utrrrongeeb: if it support at&w it should remember. |
| 10:26.26 | utrrrongeeb | sussudo: Okay, thanks! Should be all I need! |
| 10:27.02 | sussudio | k. |
| 10:27.27 | sussudio | don't set s11 lower than 50 or your phone exchange might not recognize the numbers |
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| 10:29.09 | Dembug | hey thanks for your help Kevin` im well on my way to getting back on track |
| 10:29.19 | Dembug | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initramfs.html |
| 10:29.22 | Dembug | ^ well worth the read |
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| 10:36.21 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, when i reboot the swap does not activate itseld automatically & even when i activate it uses only 10% of it despite the fact i would normally require it |
| 10:37.17 | Kevin` | Mikel0 put /dev/hdawhatever in fstab instead of that long entry |
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| 10:40.11 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, in my fstab there seems to be a problem relataed to the upgrade to edgy but i understand what http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36812/ |
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| 10:41.52 | Kevin` | Mikel0 that uuid thing is probably messing it up. there is no debian release called "edgy", perhaps you mistyped? |
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| 10:42.25 | Speeder | erm |
| 10:42.31 | Grub_Now | hi |
| 10:42.33 | Mikel0 | Kevin`, i am actually an ubuntu intruder :-) |
| 10:42.44 | Speeder | ifrename gone comletly wrong |
| 10:42.50 | Esaj | intruder alert! |
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| 10:42.57 | Speeder | ??? |
| 10:43.00 | Speeder | intruder alert? |
| 10:43.05 | Grub_Now | the src dfolder is pretty empty, and the pysql i try to install neds python.h , what do i do? |
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| 10:44.43 | Speeder | I am becoming tired of changing the cables place all the time that I reboot :/ |
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| 10:45.35 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 10:45.42 | Speeder | someone? |
| 10:45.46 | DiamonD | does anyone know how to start imap server on debian |
| 10:45.57 | DiamonD | i have installed it with apt-get |
| 10:47.10 | Grub_Now | !someone |
| 10:47.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 10:49.00 | xipietotec | okay, does anyone know how to add exceptions to Moblock? |
| 10:49.12 | xipietotec | because its blocking the sourceforge CVS servers |
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| 10:50.00 | blondie | Grub_Now: not really appropriate |
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| 10:51.45 | xipietotec | yeah...thought not...I've been asking this question all day |
| 10:51.46 | xipietotec | =\ |
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| 10:52.05 | Speeder | When I tryed to use ifrename here, my boards intead of having the correct name, disapeared, why? How I make my machine stop renaming the boards all the time that I reboot? |
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| 10:52.59 | kryptoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.54 | geo-rge | what does which vim return if vim is not present |
| 10:54.23 | blondie | which vim && do something |
| 10:54.28 | geo-rge | (or, more to the point, not in your $PATH) |
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| 10:54.47 | kryptoz | which vi33 |
| 10:54.47 | kryptoz | /usr/bin/which: no vi33 in (/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin) |
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| 10:54.58 | kryptoz | which vi33 && /usr/bin/which: no vi33 in (/usr/kerberos/sbin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/root/bin) |
| 10:55.17 | kryptoz | geo-rge: something similar to that |
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| 10:55.46 | RoyK | does anyone know a minidistro suitable for flash boot? preferably debian-based |
| 10:56.07 | blondie | debian |
| 10:56.12 | geo-rge | ok, take a look at man which, look for exit status |
| 10:56.47 | RoyK | blondie: where can i find more info about booting debian from flash/usb plug/something? |
| 10:56.51 | geo-rge | it may -print- all that stuff, but it -returns- exit status |
| 10:57.03 | blondie | RoyK: just install it to the usb disk, that's all |
| 10:57.14 | geo-rge | (anyway, that's one way to look at it) |
| 10:57.19 | blondie | assuming your bios can boot usb, it should just work like it was a harddisk |
| 10:57.28 | blondie | im typing from such an OS now ;) |
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| 10:58.28 | geo-rge | I guess you could get say a 2g or 4g usb key and boot from it |
| 10:59.22 | geo-rge | who knows, maybe they're partitionable AND the driver can use those partitions (you can partition a floppy but the driver doesn't consider floppy partitions) |
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| 11:00.22 | blondie | geo-rge: like I said they work exactly the same as a harddisk |
| 11:01.04 | geo-rge | lately they use ide subsystem? |
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| 11:01.55 | DiamonD | just a question which debian is the newest |
| 11:02.03 | geo-rge | sid |
| 11:02.06 | azeem | DiamonD: 3.1 |
| 11:02.08 | DiamonD | 3.1 r4 |
| 11:02.10 | revolutionstudio | hello everyone |
| 11:02.16 | azeem | DiamonD: yeah, sounds about right |
| 11:02.18 | sudharsh | isnt sid always the latest |
| 11:02.29 | azeem | sudharsh: sid is not released |
| 11:02.29 | geo-rge | that;s the lastest stable release |
| 11:02.38 | azeem | geo-rge: which is the obvious first answer |
| 11:02.56 | revolutionstudio | have a question about distros...is there a really newbie friendly debian distro?...or possibly slackware? |
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| 11:03.00 | blondie | geo-rge: well they appear as /dev/sdX |
| 11:03.02 | geo-rge | I actually read his question :) |
| 11:03.15 | geo-rge | blondie: ahh... scsi subsystem |
| 11:03.26 | sudharsh | azeem, oh so sid will become the next testing..i thought unstable branch was always known as sid.. |
| 11:03.42 | cydork | sudharsh: no sid is always unstable. |
| 11:03.47 | azeem | sudharsh: I didn't say that |
| 11:03.48 | geo-rge | I didn't reinterpret said question as a different one :) |
| 11:04.01 | cydork | sudharsh: next testing is lenny :) |
| 11:04.14 | azeem | geo-rge: we don't support unstable in here, so please don't advocate it either |
| 11:04.22 | geo-rge | sid doesn't "become" anything, it stays what it is |
| 11:04.28 | azeem | geo-rge: unless you offer 1-to-1 support to the people |
| 11:05.01 | sudharsh | cydork, yup..i prefer sid..though.. |
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| 11:05.40 | revolutionstudio | hey off topic but what kind of a server would you call myspace?...lol |
| 11:06.17 | azeem | revolutionstudio: if it's off-topic, don't ask |
| 11:06.17 | geo-rge | sometimes what happens is when releases of testing draw near, maints tend to get more conservative, and the effect is sid gets more stable... don't depend on that tho, it's very subjective, and is an observation, not any kind of rule |
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| 11:06.52 | geo-rge | revolutionstudio: a web server |
| 11:07.01 | geo-rge | ohh, toolate |
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| 11:07.23 | Sup3rkiddo | geo-rge, sid has been always stable for me..:) |
| 11:07.35 | geo-rge | but that's not the truth |
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| 11:08.00 | Sup3rkiddo | again it is subjective.. |
| 11:08.08 | Dembug | try and tell that to someone using a backport |
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| 11:08.37 | geo-rge | no, that's fact... the fact is that sid allows breakage |
| 11:09.04 | geo-rge | and in saying that, I say to you, I hope you keep backups of your important data |
| 11:09.46 | geo-rge | mistakes are -allowed-... bad BAD mistakes |
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| 11:10.06 | geo-rge | the kind that make your computer fall on your cat |
| 11:10.12 | Sup3rkiddo | yup..i do..fortunately my box is just a desktop..doesnt have any _valuable_ data around |
| 11:11.33 | geo-rge | the kind that causes your drives to start erasing themselves (due to accidental things, maybe driver instability) |
| 11:11.34 | cydork | Sup3rkiddo: the rule is simple if you are using sid, you should know how to fix stuff :P |
| 11:11.43 | geo-rge | yes |
| 11:11.47 | Sup3rkiddo | very true.. |
| 11:12.05 | geo-rge | the fact is you might have a problem that no one has yet found |
| 11:12.21 | geo-rge | you might see it first |
| 11:12.22 | Sup3rkiddo | that makes sid fun to use |
| 11:12.36 | azeem | that's fine, just don't tell others to |
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| 11:13.14 | Sup3rkiddo | i have had bad experiences about that.... |
| 11:13.16 | geo-rge | azeem: the obvious exception to that is someone who states intent to find and report problems |
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| 11:13.37 | azeem | geo-rge: sure, there are exceptions |
| 11:14.00 | geo-rge | someone who obviously knows what they're doing, as well |
| 11:14.21 | geo-rge | which I do, but I don't run sid |
| 11:15.13 | geo-rge | if I want some later version my tendency is to build it myself (and therefore maintain it myself) |
| 11:15.23 | azeem | geo-rge: well, not sure where you're getting at. I didn't tell you not to use sid, I just asked you not to recommend it/advertise it to people you aren't sure are capable of handling it |
| 11:15.25 | geo-rge | and I DO advocate doing that |
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| 11:16.33 | goil | i need switch my realtec 8139 internet card to protect mode. What 802.1x autorized users have aceess to pc. Switch not itellectual. For wireles card i found hostapd. i need analog. |
| 11:17.11 | geo-rge | unless I'm doing an actual teaching job (with pay), I usually don't evaluate someone's abilities... having said that, I might notice someone who doesn't know certain basics |
| 11:18.08 | geo-rge | my opinion and policy is, they make their choice, and I can't do anything except possibly let them know some of the consequences |
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| 11:19.05 | geo-rge | (as I did here and now) |
| 11:19.11 | niru | geo-rge:i got ppt to pdf conversion |
| 11:19.18 | niru | :) |
| 11:19.20 | geo-rge | good :) |
| 11:20.06 | geo-rge | one thing I won't do is hide information as a way to block someone from doing what they want |
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| 11:22.32 | Gumby | lo all, I am trying to reinstall a package as I have accidentally delete a directory but when I try to reinstall it, that directory doesnt get recreated. Can anyone suggest what I might be done wrong? |
| 11:22.36 | niru | geo-rge:still I want to get something |
| 11:23.19 | geo-rge | niru: you have shown you know how to do that |
| 11:23.24 | fireba11 | Gumby deinstall with --purge and reinstall |
| 11:23.55 | Gumby | fireba11: so apt-get remove --purge packagename and then reinstall? |
| 11:24.08 | niru | geo-rge:no that |
| 11:25.18 | geo-rge | dpkg --purge pkgname |
| 11:26.29 | geo-rge | if you have to, force the removal (dpkg --force-help) but don't leave it like that, reinstall as soon as you can so that the dep database is consistant |
| 11:26.36 | niru | geo-rge:Suppose I have some pages in a pdf file.suppose some 5 pages.I want to keep different transitions for different pages |
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| 11:28.04 | geo-rge | and also try to make sure you're installing the same version you removed... much simpler that way |
| 11:28.29 | geo-rge | if it's not, and it depends on additional packages, it might not let you do it |
| 11:29.14 | niru | geo-rge:is it clear |
| 11:29.41 | geo-rge | (assuming that you will have had to force the removal... which isn't always necessary and in any case is -not- a normal or recommended thing to do) |
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| 11:32.07 | _mh | hi all, could someone please tell me if they're successfully running sarge on an asus m2npv-mx board? |
| 11:32.54 | _mh | or an intel SE7230NH1 board? -- any issues or hardware incompatibility one should be aware of? |
| 11:32.59 | geo-rge | niru: |
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| 11:33.38 | geo-rge | I'm not really following how you're doing things |
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| 11:34.51 | geo-rge | I don't understand how pdf and ppt fit or how you're fitting them together, and so I'm not really the best person to help |
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| 11:37.11 | aidehua | My PC doesn't have a PXE boot network card in it. Can I run something from CD that does the same thing as PXE booting? (ie: configure the network card then grab something to boot via tftp.) |
| 11:37.54 | Kevin` | aidehua there are some pxe boot things out there, but it's hardware dependent of course |
| 11:38.07 | SlayerXP | aidehua: grub has a boot floppy you can use |
| 11:38.08 | xipietotec | okay, does anyone know how to add exceptions to Moblock? |
| 11:38.10 | Kevin` | if you have a cd you might as well load a linux kernel |
| 11:38.37 | niru | geo-rge:I am not fitting anything |
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| 11:39.24 | aidehua | Kevin`: and from within linux, there are tools to get data via tftp and 'boot' it? |
| 11:39.31 | Kevin` | of course |
| 11:39.43 | Kevin` | or http or nfs or ftp or.. |
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| 11:40.05 | aidehua | This is excellent news! |
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| 11:42.23 | Neeesat25 | Is there an easy way to clone a debian Hard Disk? |
| 11:43.03 | niru | geo-rge:just tring to open a .ppt file also through a tool that was opening pdf file only |
| 11:43.12 | petemc | Neeesat25: parted might be worth a look |
| 11:43.36 | petemc | niru: can openoffice impress not open ppt files/ |
| 11:43.36 | Neeesat25 | hmm |
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| 11:44.30 | burd_tu | Neeesat25, there is a way I have done it a few times.. easy I would probably say no |
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| 11:45.08 | blaheva | can anyone post a url about upgrading a stable/main to testing? |
| 11:46.21 | niru | petemc:I am using keyjnote that opens only pdf files |
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| 11:46.49 | petemc | niru: the osx app? so why are you asking here? |
| 11:47.04 | petemc | blaheva: sed -i 's/stable/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:47.10 | geo-rge | blaheva: it's pretty simple, but as you're asking for a url, I'll find the etch install guide |
| 11:47.20 | blaheva | thanks :) |
| 11:47.43 | niru | petemc:osx |
| 11:47.45 | niru | petemc:osx? |
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| 11:48.11 | petemc | niru: keynote is an osx app, anyway your question isnt clear and seems to be changing |
| 11:50.43 | niru | petemc:then could you tell me where can i ask keyjnote questions |
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| 11:51.12 | blahdeblah_ | Hi all. Is there a CD installer (or any other way, for that matter) that i can get etch installed on a machine with a G965 chipset? |
| 11:51.13 | blahdeblah_ | I've tried the sarge installer (i386) and the etch rc1 installer (i386 & amd64), and none can boot successfully. |
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| 11:51.51 | petemc | niru: i have no idea what you're on about, you want to open ppt that only opens pdf and is also called "keyjnote" |
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| 11:52.15 | Speeder | how I make the networkd boards stop changing their names when I reboot? |
| 11:52.37 | tarzeau | ifconfig -a shows me eth0_rena |
| 11:52.40 | petemc | niru: of course, now that i check and see theres a linux app called "keyjnote" , things are a lot clearer.. |
| 11:52.48 | tarzeau | wtf does debian do with sparc/linux network interfaces? |
| 11:53.37 | aidehua | SlayerXP: did you mean that I can get grub to boot via tftp (instead of off a disk, as per normal) ? |
| 11:53.40 | blaheva | tarzeau, join #debian-sparc :) |
| 11:53.50 | blaheva | i'm on sparc64 |
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| 11:54.41 | LLcoolM | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html <-- there is a typo on that site |
| 11:55.01 | LLcoolM | Number "on" packages not in testing: should be Number "of" instead |
| 11:55.34 | blaheva | geo-rge , is what petemc typed corrct? |
| 11:55.57 | blaheva | dont need a url |
| 11:56.03 | blaheva | if someone seconds it :) |
| 11:56.07 | geo-rge | petemc: is what you typed corrct? |
| 11:56.18 | blaheva | hey! dont pick on my typos!!! |
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| 11:56.35 | earthian | hello, wtf i get these mesasges during the apt-get update ??? |
| 11:56.36 | earthian | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/P ackages.gz 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
| 11:56.49 | earthian | whats wrong there? |
| 11:56.50 | earthian | :/ |
| 11:56.52 | geo-rge | why type what you can pick off the page with a mouse swish :) |
| 11:57.35 | heh_v_water | aidehua, you can boot say a dumb terminal with an etherboot floppy, thsi requires some work, the best way to do it is with ltsp IMHO. I have also created etherboot CD's from the floppies that work fine |
| 11:57.50 | geo-rge | aside from that, what did he type? |
| 11:57.56 | heh_v_water | earthian, P ackages.gz space in the word? |
| 11:58.02 | earthian | no |
| 11:58.09 | earthian | its just from a new line |
| 11:58.20 | earthian | Err http://security.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 11:58.20 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.25 | earthian | wtf? |
| 11:58.25 | blaheva | blaheva: sed -i 's/stable/etch/g' /etc/apt/sources.list ; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:58.50 | earthian | heh_v_water, its like 3/10 are successful tries to update |
| 11:58.55 | earthian | others are with that 404 error |
| 11:58.56 | earthian | :/ |
| 11:59.37 | geo-rge | earthian: the sed command altered your sources.list file... maybe you need to verify each thing |
| 11:59.54 | earthian | sed? what is sed? |
| 12:00.02 | blaheva | lol |
| 12:00.03 | geo-rge | err, I'm getting confused with who said what :) |
| 12:00.10 | heh_v_water | lol |
| 12:00.27 | earthian | :/ |
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| 12:01.19 | geo-rge | earthian/blaheva: howbout commenting out the security line for now, and updating |
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| 12:01.25 | earthian | now apt-get update went successfully but apt-get upgrade did errors |
| 12:01.26 | earthian | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hostname/hostname_2.93_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
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| 12:02.11 | earthian | i believe it could be caused by security.debian.org server overload |
| 12:02.20 | geo-rge | possible |
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| 12:02.34 | earthian | which i would like to be fixed ASAP! ;S |
| 12:02.44 | geo-rge | I would think you wouldn't get 404 tho |
| 12:03.12 | geo-rge | service temporarily unavailable, what is that, 406? |
| 12:03.39 | earthian | hm |
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| 12:03.55 | geo-rge | again, you could comment out the security source for the moment |
| 12:03.58 | cyzie | hello, any cd that has memory check ? |
| 12:04.08 | earthian | but then it would mean that somebody at the server is moving that damn package.gz file all around |
| 12:04.09 | earthian | :p |
| 12:04.18 | geo-rge | try installing memtest86 |
| 12:04.24 | loswillios | I have a program which floods my syslog. Now I want syslog to log all messages regarding this program into /var/log/vdr.log. How would I do that? |
| 12:04.44 | geo-rge | cyzie: try apt-get install memtest86 |
| 12:05.06 | earthian | geo-rge, how i would upgrade package security from security.debian.org if i would comment it? :S |
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| 12:05.18 | heh_v_water | earthian, what is weird is the package you couldn't get I just started the download with firefox |
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| 12:05.36 | cyzie | geo-rge, the system doesnt have the OS yet |
| 12:05.39 | earthian | heh_v_water, i get this package 3 out of 10 times |
| 12:05.46 | earthian | which is even more strange :p |
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| 12:06.35 | dererk[work] | Morning :) |
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| 12:06.36 | geo-rge | it is an interesting point tho, that a memory checker should appear on debian-installer cds |
| 12:06.45 | nostZZZZZ | did the debian-mono group die? |
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| 12:07.14 | heh_v_water | earthian, I just tried it several times to see, it worked fine not saying there's not a problem though there obviously is somewhere.. maybe you found a bug |
| 12:08.04 | earthian | erm... ok look: |
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| 12:08.13 | earthian | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hostname/hostname_2.93_amd64.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 12:08.38 | earthian | fostral:/home/earthian# wget http://security.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hostname/hostname_2.93_amd64.deb <-- that successfully downloaded the deb file |
| 12:08.40 | geo-rge | there are a coupla possibilities, one is as you say the file is being moved around or the wrong packages file in the right place... |
| 12:08.40 | earthian | lol? |
| 12:09.18 | earthian | i start thinking that apt-get is suddently fuked up in my system :o |
| 12:09.21 | geo-rge | another is the security line for etch is totally different, and needs to be edited |
| 12:09.36 | Neeesat25 | Anyone used parted? |
| 12:09.40 | heh_v_water | earthian, yah it almost looks like some buggy thing... |
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| 12:10.03 | earthian | ok now it downlaod |
| 12:10.05 | geo-rge | tiiimmme for a sandwitch! |
| 12:10.05 | earthian | downloads |
| 12:10.06 | earthian | lol |
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| 12:11.14 | ericP | is thre are particular recipe (say, convention for configure flags) for building a debug image from a debian source? |
| 12:11.32 | Speeder | can someple please help me with the problem of the network interface names? |
| 12:11.33 | nostZZZZZ | any way to get a recent mono (1.1.13 or pref. 1.2.x) running on debian stable ? |
| 12:11.41 | earthian | where do i fail a bug report for apt-get and apt related stuff.. or even debian repos server issues? |
| 12:11.47 | geo-rge | ericP: probably you'd just add -g |
| 12:11.50 | Speeder | mono 1.1.13 is not recent |
| 12:11.53 | Speeder | nor it is stable |
| 12:11.54 | tarzeau | earthian: you fail to file a bug. try reportbug |
| 12:12.09 | earthian | oj.. fail=file |
| 12:12.11 | earthian | sorry :) |
| 12:12.12 | Speeder | 1.2.x work well |
| 12:12.18 | nostZZZZZ | Speeder, it's more recent than the ancient 1.1.12 that is in backports |
| 12:12.27 | amphi | Speeder: what problem of interface names? |
| 12:12.32 | nostZZZZZ | if i can get 1.2.x to work, the better -- just don't find out how |
| 12:12.38 | ericP | geo-rge, re: -g, will let you know |
| 12:12.51 | Speeder | amphi when I reboot, eth0 and eth1 keep exchanging their names |
| 12:13.10 | Speeder | nostZZZZZ, get the mono installer from mono site :) |
| 12:13.10 | amphi | Speeder: different cards? |
| 12:13.16 | Speeder | amphi, yes |
| 12:13.18 | geo-rge | foiled! failing to file forbes fish feverishly flops for five farttimes |
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| 12:13.28 | Speeder | nostZZZZZ, 1.2.x work well :) |
| 12:13.38 | nostZZZZZ | ok |
| 12:13.47 | nostZZZZZ | so first perhaps i shuold clean up the mess from the backports mono |
| 12:13.55 | geo-rge | what's a mono |
| 12:13.56 | nostZZZZZ | i always get lost in package management :( |
| 12:14.00 | Speeder | nostZZZZZ, oh yeah, remember to init 6 after installing it with the installer... |
| 12:14.07 | heh_v_water | mono is a .net environment iirc |
| 12:14.10 | Speeder | I took many time to figure this |
| 12:14.45 | nostZZZZZ | you need a reboot to install mono? why's that? |
| 12:14.52 | Speeder | well |
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| 12:15.07 | Speeder | when comiling, or installing from apt-get it does not needed to reboot |
| 12:15.20 | amphi | Speeder: you could use ifrename perhaps |
| 12:15.23 | Speeder | but when using the installer, you need to reboot, or some programs go nuts |
| 12:15.39 | geo-rge | ericP: while your results will look weird in gdb, you probably shouldn't take out the compiler optimization... a bug might be because it's optimized in some way |
| 12:15.51 | Speeder | amphi I tried, but insteazd of making the boards stay with the right name, they made the boards disapear |
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| 12:16.09 | heh_v_water | Speeder, are they the exact same chipsets? |
| 12:16.28 | Speeder | heh_v_water, I think that not |
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| 12:16.43 | Speeder | heh_v_water, one of them are a onboard interface, the other one is a real board |
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| 12:16.58 | MadneX | Anyone here have a problem using Htb tolls and all the network goes realy slow??? |
| 12:16.58 | heh_v_water | Speeder, I can't recall exactly bu tthere is a way to load one module before the other thus making the cards load in the same order each time |
| 12:17.15 | amphi | Speeder: huh? did you configure /etc/iftab correctly? another way is to make sure the modules load in a consistent order, perhaps putting them in /etc/modules will do that |
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| 12:17.30 | Speeder | humm... |
| 12:17.35 | Speeder | /etc/modules... |
| 12:17.39 | heh_v_water | listen to amphi |
| 12:17.40 | Speeder | this one I do not tried |
| 12:17.45 | rreck | anyone know why ubuntu cant find stuff it looks for even when its there like ->sh: /usr/bin/vmware-ping: not found |
| 12:18.21 | amphi | rreck: the shebang line is incorrect (assuming that's a script) ? |
| 12:18.32 | Speeder | udev here bugged comletly too |
| 12:18.46 | ericP | geo-rge, re: Od, agree in general. i'm just debugging to get to know my way around the code |
| 12:18.50 | heh_v_water | Speeder, upgrade to etch did this? |
| 12:18.55 | rreck | amphi: that's what i thought but thats not it, a bunch of stuff acts like this |
| 12:18.59 | xipietotec | if anyone can help me figure out how to whitelist IP addresses with this, I'd much appreciate it http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36819/ |
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| 12:19.01 | Speeder | etch??? |
| 12:19.09 | heh_v_water | testing |
| 12:19.34 | Neeesat25 | petemc are you around? |
| 12:19.49 | Speeder | how I know what module the kernel loads for each interface? |
| 12:20.06 | amphi | Speeder: what are the cards? |
| 12:20.29 | petemc | Neeesat25: i am, but im not a parted user |
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| 12:20.57 | Speeder | erm |
| 12:21.00 | Speeder | I do not know |
| 12:21.07 | heh_v_water | Neeesat25, parted will not clone disks it is only for partitioning i believe |
| 12:21.27 | amphi | Speeder: handy ;) try lspci |
| 12:21.57 | Neeesat25 | Any tool for cloning? |
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| 12:22.24 | Speeder | Realtek RTL-8139/8138C/8139C+ is one... |
| 12:22.26 | heh_v_water | Neeesat25, i can tell you how i do it, I make no guarantees as far as reliability nor ease |
| 12:22.37 | Neeesat25 | ok |
| 12:22.38 | Speeder | SiS900 is the other one |
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| 12:23.03 | loswillios | this debian-syslogd is just disgusting |
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| 12:23.07 | Speeder | amphi, saw it? |
| 12:23.37 | heh_v_water | Neeesat25, I take the new disk and put it in the machine I want to clone, then I boot the working machien up, partition the new disk and mount it on the original machine |
| 12:24.00 | loswillios | its impossible to make it log messages regarding a program to an external file |
| 12:24.00 | heh_v_water | Neeesat25, this is mounting the new root in the current root |
| 12:24.02 | amphi | Speeder: 8139 is likely using 8139too or 8139cp module; lsmod | grep 8139 to see |
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| 12:24.20 | amphi | Speeder: no idea about the other, lsmod | grep sis might be of use |
| 12:24.38 | heh_v_water | Neeesat25, then i do >> cp -ax / /newroot/ << check this command it may be hokey |
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| 12:25.08 | heh_v_water | Neeesat25, once it is finished copying I can do the same with say /home or /var |
| 12:25.28 | Neeesat25 | what is newroot? |
| 12:25.42 | petemc | heh_v_water: parted can clone partitions |
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| 12:26.10 | heh_v_water | Neeesat25, listen to petemc my way is a pain |
| 12:26.31 | Neeesat25 | petermc I have install latest parted |
| 12:26.48 | petemc | Neeesat25: what is it exactly you want to do? |
| 12:27.13 | Neeesat25 | make a clone of my Hard Disk or an ISO it is better |
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| 12:27.48 | petemc | Neeesat25: you can use dd to do that |
| 12:27.54 | Neeesat25 | dd? |
| 12:27.57 | petemc | yes |
| 12:28.07 | Neeesat25 | is it a command or software? |
| 12:28.19 | petemc | both |
| 12:28.26 | petemc | dd bs=1M if=/dev/hda | gzip | ssh user@remote 'dd of=hda.gz' |
| 12:28.36 | tarzeau | or | lzma | |
| 12:29.04 | Neeesat25 | I have an nfs share 300GB |
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| 12:29.13 | Neeesat25 | Can I copy all into that? |
| 12:29.18 | tarzeau | if it fits, sure |
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| 12:29.26 | Neeesat25 | my disk is only 5G |
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| 12:29.43 | tarzeau | looks fine 5 G fits easily into 300 GB |
| 12:29.49 | Neeesat25 | so I have mount it in /mnt/nfs |
| 12:29.49 | petemc | it would appear so |
| 12:29.59 | Neeesat25 | what would be the command please? |
| 12:30.24 | Neeesat25 | I have /dev/hda as my hard disk |
| 12:30.34 | petemc | dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/nfs/file bs=1M |
| 12:30.48 | petemc | thats an odd way to backup tho, why not just copy the files? |
| 12:31.03 | Neeesat25 | this will create what kind of file? |
| 12:31.08 | heh_v_water | could also do partimage |
| 12:31.12 | infernix | what privileges does the 'adm' group give, besides read access to many logfiles in /var/log? |
| 12:31.16 | Neeesat25 | can it create a ziped file or even better an iso? |
| 12:33.26 | Gnea | id: adm: No such user |
| 12:34.13 | petemc | its a group |
| 12:34.36 | petemc | infernix: its for reading log files |
| 12:34.36 | Gnea | infernix: find / -group adm |
| 12:35.11 | infernix | yea I was already on that. |
| 12:35.19 | Gnea | ah |
| 12:35.22 | infernix | looks like reading log files is all it can do, but just wanted to make sure |
| 12:35.44 | Gnea | any results that come up with that and the adm group can read 'em |
| 12:36.55 | Neeesat25 | petemc: If I do 'dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/nfs/filesystem.gz bs=1M' it will create a gz ziped file with all my system in the directory /mnt/nfs? |
| 12:37.18 | infernix | I don't think dd does gzip |
| 12:37.34 | petemc | Neeesat25: no, you would need | gzip | between the input and output |
| 12:37.43 | Neeesat25 | ah |
| 12:38.09 | petemc | Neeesat25: in which case you would also need the bs=1M on the left side of the pipe |
| 12:38.10 | Neeesat25 | so it will be 'dd if=/dev/hda | gzip | of=/mnt/nfs/file.gz bs=1M' ? |
| 12:38.11 | infernix | something like 'dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/stdout bs=1M | gzip > /mnt/nfs/filesystem.gz" |
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| 12:38.30 | infernix | not sure on that of=/dev/stdout |
| 12:38.53 | petemc | dd bs=1M if=/dev/hda | gzip | dd of=hda.gz |
| 12:39.03 | petemc | with the full path.. |
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| 12:39.59 | heh_v_water | petemc, thats interesting does it do all the partitions if there is more than one? |
| 12:40.00 | Neeesat25 | Should'nt be like dd bs=1M if=/dev/hda | gzip | dd of=/mnt/nfs/hda.gz? |
| 12:40.10 | petemc | heh_v_water: the whole disk, yes |
| 12:40.17 | petemc | Neeesat25: yes |
| 12:40.30 | Neeesat25 | ok Thanks man, I will try |
| 12:40.50 | heh_v_water | petemc, when one goes to restore that how does it work? |
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| 12:41.03 | petemc | heh_v_water: in reverse |
| 12:41.17 | petemc | there are better ways to backup |
| 12:41.29 | heh_v_water | petemc, do you have to create the partitions first or will dd manage that? |
| 12:41.48 | petemc | heh_v_water: its a complete clone of the disk, partition table and all |
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| 12:50.17 | Speeder | forcing the modules to load in the right order do not worked to |
| 12:50.31 | Speeder | the thing here still make me need to exchange the cables everytime that I reboot |
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| 12:51.39 | ma3x | what function should I select in GIMP to cut the surounding? If for eg. I put something on a blue background, how do I cut out the blue background and just keep the image? |
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| 12:53.33 | amphi | Speeder: use ifrename to bind iface names to mac addresses |
| 12:53.54 | petemc | ive seent that happen with dell poweredges |
| 12:55.08 | Speeder | amphi how I use ifrename correctly? last try resulted in the interfaces disapearing |
| 12:55.25 | ma3x | anyone understands gimp or not |
| 12:55.27 | amphi | ma3x: you could select the bg by colour, invert the selection, and crop to selection I think |
| 12:55.33 | ma3x | oh there we go |
| 12:55.40 | ma3x | let me try |
| 12:56.03 | amphi | Speeder: I have no idea what you did |
| 12:56.11 | Speeder | erm |
| 12:56.30 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 12:56.31 | Speeder | I installed it with apt-get, then I made my own iftab file... |
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| 12:58.24 | C-Nem | hi all. |
| 12:58.43 | C-Nem | how can i download Debian the latest version, can you help me ? |
| 12:58.50 | C-Nem | i can not download at offical site |
| 12:58.54 | C-Nem | i cant find. |
| 12:59.14 | jzu | anyone bored? |
| 12:59.37 | amphi | ma3x: that worked? |
| 12:59.46 | petemc | C-Nem: google for debian etch installer |
| 12:59.52 | C-Nem | etch ? |
| 12:59.59 | petemc | yes |
| 13:00.05 | C-Nem | a moment. |
| 13:00.07 | ma3x | amphi: I can invert it, but then when I click crop, it says nothing to crop |
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| 13:00.18 | C-Nem | http://www.google.com.tr/search?q=debian+etch+installer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:tr:official&client=firefox-a |
| 13:00.20 | C-Nem | nothing. |
| 13:00.24 | C-Nem | i am from Turkey. |
| 13:00.35 | xoz | C-Nem: or msg dpkg which cd |
| 13:00.52 | amphi | ma3x: you clicked the 'from selection' button in the crop dialog? |
| 13:00.54 | C-Nem | full CD/DVD sets |
| 13:00.54 | C-Nem | CD: [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] |
| 13:00.58 | C-Nem | which one ? |
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| 13:01.02 | C-Nem | what is ALPHA. |
| 13:01.08 | C-Nem | what is amd64 |
| 13:01.16 | dimir | ALPHA is a letter! |
| 13:01.17 | C-Nem | diffent ? |
| 13:01.21 | C-Nem | letter? |
| 13:01.27 | petemc | C-Nem: you can find this information out easily yourself |
| 13:01.27 | C-Nem | meaning :( [not good eng.] |
| 13:01.50 | amphi | C-Nem: processor architectures |
| 13:01.50 | xoz | C-Nem: most likely, you are running i386 processor |
| 13:01.50 | C-Nem | i have a laptop ACER |
| 13:01.51 | ma3x | amphi: there is no crop dialog. only zealous crop and autocrop under the image menu |
| 13:01.56 | xoz | C-Nem: yep |
| 13:01.57 | C-Nem | AMD Turion 2.0 |
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| 13:02.18 | amphi | ma3x: select the crop tool and click somewher in the selection |
| 13:02.27 | C-Nem | what shoult i download from these versions. |
| 13:02.34 | C-Nem | "amd64"? |
| 13:02.40 | amphi | ma3x: I expect you can click anywhere in the image in fact |
| 13:02.51 | perlmonk | konqueror is a pain.... I have to choose if my dia diagram will be opened by a zip archiver or if my zip files will be opened by dia... :( |
| 13:03.05 | Neeesat25 | Petemc: It started copying but I got: File size limit exceeded |
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| 13:03.12 | amphi | ma3x: then 'from selection' & 'crop' |
| 13:03.37 | Neeesat25 | The command I used is: dd bs=1M if=/dev/hda | gzip | dd of=/mnt/system/hda.gz |
| 13:04.25 | ma3x | amphi: where do you see this crop tool? |
| 13:04.41 | Neeesat25 | The file that it copied so far is 2.1GB. Does it has a limitation? |
| 13:05.04 | amphi | ma3x: in the toolbox ;) icon looks like a scalpel blade |
| 13:05.27 | ma3x | oh I saw it |
| 13:05.36 | Neeesat25 | petemc are you around? |
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| 13:06.07 | amphi | ma3x: or tools->transform tools->crop & resize |
| 13:07.31 | petemc | Neeesat25: i thought fileutils had large file support , perhaps im wrong |
| 13:08.01 | petemc | Neeesat25: some things also rely on the size of /tmp |
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| 13:09.13 | Neeesat25 | it has limitation of 2.1GB |
| 13:09.17 | petemc | Neeesat25: ill say it again, using dd isnt an ideal way to backup, look at dirvish or something |
| 13:09.44 | Neeesat25 | what about partimage? |
| 13:09.46 | petemc | try it |
| 13:10.15 | Neeesat25 | Are you familiar with it? |
| 13:10.25 | petemc | no |
| 13:10.40 | t2ktemp | how can i see how much memory has been seen by the kernel ? |
| 13:10.49 | amphi | ma3x: done it? |
| 13:11.02 | amphi | t2ktemp: free or top |
| 13:11.13 | petemc | t2ktemp: dmesg, free, top |
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| 13:14.30 | amphi | ma3x: BTW, it seems autocrop will crop to the selection for you |
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| 13:15.37 | amphi | ma3x: 'zealous crop' does something I don't understand; it seems to crop to the size of the selection, but based at 0,0 |
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| 13:16.17 | ma3x | amphi: I want to crop out the background but I cant do it |
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| 13:16.37 | amphi | ma3x: the bg is a uniform colour? |
| 13:16.46 | ma3x | the invert selection blacks (highlights) one time the background and one time the important thing |
| 13:16.53 | ma3x | so what should I select (black) |
| 13:17.09 | ma3x | well it's a blue color, but more blue colors |
| 13:17.15 | amphi | ah... |
| 13:17.24 | Neeesat25 | partimage canot work on mounted partitions |
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| 13:18.18 | amphi | ma3x: that makes it harder; it might be easier to manually select the area you want, and then autocrop |
| 13:18.34 | ma3x | hm |
| 13:18.44 | amphi | ma3x: or you can fiddle with the threshold for the select-by-colour tool |
| 13:19.21 | ma3x | but can I select a space where to fiddle |
| 13:19.31 | amphi | ma3x: if the bit you want contains pixels of the same colour as any in the bg, the select by colour thing will not work |
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| 13:19.44 | ma3x | because it also starts selecting parts out of the *not to be touched object |
| 13:20.49 | amphi | ma3x: yeah, that's the problem; why not just make the selection manually? |
| 13:22.07 | amphi | ma3x: the select-by-colour tool options box lets you mess with the threshold |
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| 13:24.16 | kombi__ | how can I tell apt-get to never touch the kernel? |
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| 13:24.38 | kombi__ | something in sources.list? |
| 13:25.06 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.00 | perlmonk | hum |
| 13:26.20 | perlmonk | apt won't touch the kernel as far I know.... You mean to not upgrade it ? |
| 13:26.33 | kombi__ | perlmonk: yip |
| 13:26.49 | perlmonk | Well, apt won't touch it |
| 13:27.05 | perlmonk | as far as you're talking about apt-get dist0upgrade or so |
| 13:27.14 | kombi__ | petemc: how do I mark a package with 'hold'? |
| 13:27.25 | kombi__ | perlmonk: dist-upgrade, exactly |
| 13:27.55 | perlmonk | well, no worries then, dist-upgrade won't touch your kernel |
| 13:28.26 | kombi__ | perlmonk: just did -s dist-upgrade and it threatened to install a kernel-image.. |
| 13:28.36 | Gnea | !hold |
| 13:28.36 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 13:29.19 | perlmonk | kombi__, never did with me |
| 13:29.38 | kombi__ | perlmonk: lucky you ;) |
| 13:29.43 | perlmonk | But maybe because I use my own kernel version |
| 13:29.50 | perlmonk | compiled from kernel.org |
| 13:29.52 | infernix | does aptitude respect the hold flag set in dselect? |
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| 13:30.31 | kombi__ | Gnea: logical problem here, since the kernel on that box is hand roled, what package would on put on hold? |
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| 13:30.45 | infernix | hmm, seems like aptitude doesnt. how do you put something on hold for aptitude then? |
| 13:31.13 | SmallR2004 | hmmm |
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| 13:31.37 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 13:32.05 | faber3 | how can i copy a file to a destination while preserving the relative directory structure ? |
| 13:32.05 | SmallR2004 | belinda carlisle caused an entire generation to start singing along when certain songs came on the radio, then immediately blush and try and forget they had |
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| 13:32.18 | nostZZZZZ | i'm somewhat growing tired of running in stable, i have to install backports for pretty much all the usefull things i do |
| 13:32.26 | kombi__ | faber: cp -r? |
| 13:32.36 | nostZZZZZ | how unstable are unstable and testing for running on aproduction web/mail server ? |
| 13:32.44 | Gnea | kombi__: use make-kpkg to build and install the kernel |
| 13:32.45 | nostZZZZZ | and how risky is it to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 13:32.46 | petemc | infernix: i would think it does, as its a dpkg thing |
| 13:32.50 | faber3 | kombi_: no, i want to preserve the directory structure on the destination side |
| 13:32.51 | infernix | petemc: it sure doesnt. |
| 13:32.55 | kombi__ | Gnea: did.. |
| 13:33.02 | Gnea | kombi__: and booted into it? |
| 13:33.08 | faber3 | nostZZZZZ: testing is no problem for us |
| 13:33.16 | infernix | petemc: i've got xserver-xorg-input-evdev on hold; dselect and apt-get respect that. aptitude -d upgrade tries to upgrade it. |
| 13:33.24 | Gnea | kombi__: since you rolled the .deb yourself, it's not likely that it will ever get uninstalled automatically |
| 13:34.35 | perlmonk | nostZZZZZ, testing is working fine here |
| 13:34.50 | perlmonk | nostZZZZZ, though, i don't use it for servers, only workstations |
| 13:35.14 | perlmonk | nostZZZZZ, what do you so desesperatly need that's not in stable ? |
| 13:35.42 | Grub_Now | hello, i have this supybot and the conf file, how do i set permissions that only me, the bot and root are able to see it? |
| 13:35.49 | Grub_Now | the conf file i mean |
| 13:35.53 | Grub_Now | something.conf |
| 13:37.17 | ma3x | amphi: can I select a certain space (round it with a line) and then select by color in that space? |
| 13:37.22 | nostZZZZZ | perlmonk, mono |
| 13:37.45 | nostZZZZZ | perlmonk, for asp.net |
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| 13:38.22 | heatman | would anyone know if there is someekind of ftp server where i could download kernel-source for debian 31r4-i3É |
| 13:38.25 | heatman | ?* |
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| 13:39.08 | perlmonk | Well, you said ""i have to install backports for pretty much all the usefull things i do"" |
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| 13:40.23 | nostZZZZZ | perlmonk, oh, i thought specifically :) well, right now i wouldn't even remember what i got where. i know i have postfix from some external repo, ditto for apache and php if i'm not mistaken |
| 13:40.39 | mzilikazi | i configured my sid system for UTF8, when I fire up mc in a terminal it looks horrible like this: http://mzilikazi.sexypenguins.com/images/mc-utf8.png |
| 13:40.43 | nostZZZZZ | for that matter, is it possible to get a list of installed packages along with the repository they came from ? |
| 13:40.45 | ishamael | i'm trying to setup wlan on my thinkpad x60. the interface ath0 is configured properly (i think) and i can scan available networks via wlanassistent. i get messages like 'no default gateway' although wlan is configured with dhcp. any idea? |
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| 13:40.52 | mzilikazi | in the interim I do this: LANG=c mc |
| 13:41.07 | mzilikazi | which works but what is the proper way to address this? |
| 13:41.52 | kombi__ | Gnea: sorry, phone rang.. yes booted into it, are you positive it will not get replaced by dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:44.34 | heatman | would anyone know if there is someekind of ftp server where i could download kernel-source for debian 31r4-i3? |
| 13:45.00 | kombi__ | heatman: kernel.org |
| 13:45.07 | ishamael | heatman: why not us kernel.org? |
| 13:45.12 | ishamael | :) |
| 13:45.44 | heatman | ty |
| 13:45.54 | amphi | ma3x: dunno |
| 13:46.05 | kombi__ | how do you re-install a a package again with it overwriting existing conf? |
| 13:46.24 | kombi__ | s/a a/a |
| 13:47.01 | amphi | ma3x: what you have is an image on a non-uniform bg, and you want to remove the bg, right? |
| 13:47.19 | ma3x | yes |
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| 13:48.46 | amphi | ma3x: why not just drag a selection rect around what you want to keep, and use autocrop? |
| 13:48.47 | ma3x | amphi: the thing is : when I crop the image, it's not displayed immediately or it is selected. so I should first save it and then open it to view the result |
| 13:49.30 | amphi | ma3x: no, you've done it wrong in that case; the crop occurs at once |
| 13:49.43 | ma3x | amphi: why when I drag, I cant select with a line, I must always select with a rectangle? |
| 13:50.10 | amphi | ma3x: huh? |
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| 13:51.29 | amphi | ma3x: why don't you post this image on imageshack.us or somewhere? I don't see why this is being such a torment |
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| 13:53.12 | cast | hey folks. say i have a debian system running on a single partition sda1, is there a way to move /var onto sda2? moving home to another partition is easy, but /var might not be doable without booting off a livecd? |
| 13:53.21 | mrec | hi, does anyone know a tool for spinning down a harddisk? I know hdparm supports that but I think there are better tools out there |
| 13:53.32 | tarzeau | mrec: ide or scsi? |
| 13:53.36 | mrec | ide |
| 13:53.40 | tarzeau | mrec: hdparm is just fine for it |
| 13:53.52 | tarzeau | -Y then |
| 13:54.03 | mrec | tarzeau: hmm is there an option to spin it down if the disk hasn't been used for several minutes? |
| 13:54.19 | tarzeau | mrec: there's some tool for the laptops yes, a frontend to hdparm |
| 13:54.29 | tarzeau | noflushd - allow idle hard disks to spin down |
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| 13:54.34 | mrec | that was it right! |
| 13:54.35 | tarzeau | mrec: but you'll want to remount noatime |
| 13:54.35 | mrec | thanks |
| 13:55.02 | mrec | i used noflushd a few years ago |
| 13:55.09 | tarzeau | mrec: for a laptop? |
| 13:55.12 | tarzeau | mrec: with noatime ? |
| 13:55.12 | mrec | yes |
| 13:55.20 | mrec | never heard about noatime |
| 13:55.30 | tarzeau | mrec: hahaha, you're not serious, are you? |
| 13:55.32 | amphi | mrec: hdparm -S |
| 13:56.05 | tarzeau | mrec: if you don't mount partitions with noatime, spinning down the disks will shorten their lifetime |
| 13:56.07 | mrec | tarzeau: no I'm serious |
| 13:56.19 | tarzeau | mrec: then read some documentation about noatime, and USE it |
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| 13:58.07 | mzilikazi | cast: usually easiest to use a live cd BUT you can just copy everything in /var to the new partition, edit fstab and reboot but you should move the data in /dev/sda1/var eleswhere |
| 13:58.22 | mzilikazi | notice i saw move not rm :) |
| 13:58.25 | mzilikazi | say |
| 13:58.46 | cast | hmmm. alright, i'll copy it then reboot |
| 14:00.03 | goil | Is wired internet card could work with net80211 layer mode? |
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| 14:01.38 | st_iron | hello |
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| 14:02.02 | r4663r | hello, can anybody tell me where i can find proftpd with mod_shaper as deb package? |
| 14:02.29 | st_iron | could you help me to make the dynamic cpu freqency? |
| 14:02.45 | r4663r | ehm |
| 14:02.52 | r4663r | i have done this a long time ago |
| 14:03.05 | st_iron | what packages are needed? |
| 14:03.05 | r4663r | you need a special tool, cpufreq or cpudyn |
| 14:03.11 | st_iron | yes-yes |
| 14:03.20 | r4663r | i dont know, look for it with apt-cache search cpu freq |
| 14:03.23 | st_iron | cpudyn is installed |
| 14:03.24 | r4663r | or something else |
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| 14:04.18 | st_iron | now i try powernowd |
| 14:04.23 | st_iron | maybe it helps |
| 14:04.49 | st_iron | it is debian ethc on amd64 |
| 14:05.10 | st_iron | reboot... |
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| 14:06.43 | st_iron | not good |
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| 14:11.06 | Neeesat25 | Anyone using rsync? |
| 14:11.17 | cast | a few hours ago |
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| 14:11.55 | r4663r | my computer is using ut, but it doesnt work that i like |
| 14:12.04 | Neeesat25 | cast can you copy all the debian system with rsync? |
| 14:12.07 | cast | does the etch installer check for and download security updates? I saw it checking the repo, but it didn't dl anything afaics, cool if it does :) |
| 14:12.34 | cast | Neeesat25: i don't know, never rsynced the contents of /dev before |
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| 14:13.28 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: yes you can copy the debian repository with rsync |
| 14:14.19 | Neeesat25 | I want to copy as an iso or gz ziped. Do you know the command line please? |
| 14:14.37 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: what? |
| 14:15.15 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: rsync is mostly used for mirroring the debian repository |
| 14:15.18 | Neeesat25 | I want to copy my debian system /dev/hda which is 5GB to /mnt/nfs drive |
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| 14:15.34 | Neeesat25 | Can this be done? |
| 14:15.35 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: so just use cp |
| 14:15.40 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: sure |
| 14:15.46 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: but why use rsync for that? |
| 14:15.47 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 a suggestion, |
| 14:15.51 | Kevin` | mkdir /mnt/root |
| 14:15.55 | Kevin` | mount -o bind / /mnt/root |
| 14:16.00 | Kevin` | then cp the files from there |
| 14:16.01 | Kevin` | so you don' |
| 14:16.05 | cast | jharrisonwk: because the second time her does it it'll be a whole lot faster with rsync |
| 14:16.06 | Kevin` | t get virtual filesystems |
| 14:16.18 | Kevin` | other then that, you can just copy files |
| 14:16.22 | heh_v_water | could also use -x |
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| 14:16.33 | cast | Kevin`: neat :> |
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| 14:16.38 | jharrisonwk | cast: it will be faster because of incremental |
| 14:16.58 | jharrisonwk | cast: but he never mentioned that he wanted to copy it over and over with updates |
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| 14:17.09 | jharrisonwk | cast: he just said he wants to copy from point a to point b |
| 14:17.16 | jharrisonwk | it really helps to know what someone wants to do |
| 14:17.24 | jharrisonwk | some vague idea is not helpful |
| 14:17.39 | Neeesat25 | Please, What is the easier way to do this? cp or rsync? I want to be as iso or gz if possible |
| 14:17.41 | Kevin` | use cp with the -a option, if you use cp |
| 14:18.06 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 will you be doing this often, overwriting the backup? |
| 14:18.15 | Kevin` | if so, use rsync, and don't compress it or archive it |
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| 14:19.01 | Neeesat25 | Is the line 'rsync /dev/hda /mnt/nfs' correct? |
| 14:19.16 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 no |
| 14:19.17 | Neeesat25 | Or I need some option for it? |
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| 14:19.38 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.55 | jharrisonwk | seems like he wants an image |
| 14:20.02 | Kevin` | i'd use cat instead of cp |
| 14:20.05 | Neeesat25 | yes thats what I want |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | CAst: there aren't security updates for etch really |
| 14:20.10 | jharrisonwk | I see the term 'iso' peppered throughout his sentences |
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| 14:20.27 | Kevin` | it will not be an "iso", since iso implies a cd filesystem |
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| 14:20.32 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: hows the weather |
| 14:21.03 | jharrisonwk | Kevin`: he could create an iso with mkisofs |
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| 14:21.16 | cast | abrotman: i was figuring it checked for them but found none, in future will be a neat feature though :) |
| 14:21.17 | Neeesat25 | so how will be the line with rsync? |
| 14:21.24 | jharrisonwk | Kevin`: not the greatest idea to have 5GB backup as an iso if you ask me though |
| 14:21.49 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 if your making an image backup don't use rsync |
| 14:22.02 | Neeesat25 | Ok If just coping the files and when needed I can copy them back to a new pc |
| 14:22.14 | Neeesat25 | Can I do that? |
| 14:22.15 | Kevin` | it might be persuaded to work as expected, but still it would have to read the entire disk |
| 14:22.23 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: if you want a backup system why dont you write a script to backup your data or use something like backuppc? |
| 14:22.23 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 sure |
| 14:22.38 | Neeesat25 | I need all the file system |
| 14:22.51 | Kevin` | just use cp -ax |
| 14:22.51 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: you need /proc? |
| 14:22.53 | Neeesat25 | so as to create a new pc with the same |
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| 14:23.30 | jharrisonwk | Neeesat25: sounds like you need a system mirror program |
| 14:23.31 | Kevin` | he doesn't need proc |
| 14:23.37 | jharrisonwk | Kevin`: yes I know |
| 14:23.46 | Neeesat25 | I need all |
| 14:23.50 | Kevin` | jharrisonwk you can "mirror" a linux system with cp and some basic knowledge |
| 14:24.29 | jharrisonwk | Kevin`: yes I know that also but if he cannot figure out cp or rsync do you think he has the basic knowledge? |
| 14:24.37 | Kevin` | no |
| 14:24.48 | Neeesat25 | Is 'cp -ax /dev/hda /mnt/nfs/debian/' correct for the copy? |
| 14:24.56 | Kevin` | no |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: rain |
| 14:24.59 | jharrisonwk | there is some tool used to create mirror image for duplicating one system on another |
| 14:25.11 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 if you want to copy the files, copy files |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | cast: /msg dpkg testing security .. it's there .. but no real updates |
| 14:25.14 | Kevin` | cd / |
| 14:25.18 | jharrisonwk | mostly used for making exact copies of one system to other systems for cluster nodes |
| 14:25.19 | Kevin` | cp -a . /mnt/nfs/debian |
| 14:25.20 | Kevin` | erm |
| 14:25.23 | Kevin` | cp -ax |
| 14:25.25 | jharrisonwk | cant remember what its called though |
| 14:25.40 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: is it cold? |
| 14:25.43 | Kevin` | jharrisonwk you could do that with cat :/ |
| 14:25.46 | abrotman | it's 50F todaty |
| 14:25.52 | Kevin` | no 'special' tools needed |
| 14:25.58 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: heartbeat and drbd |
| 14:26.30 | Neeesat25 | So just to be sure. Can this be done with 'cp -ax . /mnt/nfs/debian'? |
| 14:26.54 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 make sure the current directory is / |
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| 14:27.00 | Neeesat25 | yes |
| 14:27.02 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: sounds icky |
| 14:27.03 | Kevin` | or do cp -ax / /mnt/nfs/debian |
| 14:27.12 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you know .. typical october weather |
| 14:27.26 | Kevin` | I try to avoid using absolute paths for things like that though, it always seems to cause problems later |
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| 14:27.52 | Fokker680 | hi everyone |
| 14:28.00 | abrotman | hello dr neal |
| 14:28.09 | Fokker680 | On boot up, MTA under 2.6.x takes an awfully long time to load |
| 14:28.19 | Fokker680 | how important is the mail transport agent? |
| 14:28.21 | abrotman | any errors in the logs ? |
| 14:28.21 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: typical october weather for me is like this http://bulgar.no-ip.info/downloads/snimki/wall/Taino%20Beach,%20Bahamas.jpg |
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| 14:28.22 | lastnode | Hi Fokker680 |
| 14:28.24 | petemc | Fokker680: essential |
| 14:28.32 | petemc | Fokker680: you can remove it from start up tho |
| 14:28.33 | abrotman | Fokker680: it's needed |
| 14:28.34 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: actually thats typical december weather too |
| 14:28.44 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: try not to rub it in |
| 14:28.51 | azeem | Fokker680: I bet it doesn't load, but trying to lookup localhost's name |
| 14:28.53 | Fokker680 | i don't mean to remove it |
| 14:28.59 | azeem | Fokker680: check /etc/hosts |
| 14:29.04 | Fokker680 | but i just want to you know |
| 14:29.06 | Neeesat25 | I get a lot of operation not permited |
| 14:29.07 | Fokker680 | make it faster or something |
| 14:29.08 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: :) |
| 14:29.15 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: sorry |
| 14:29.15 | jareth_ | which tool do I use to check file-format? |
| 14:29.18 | Fokker680 | it boots perfectly under 2.4 tho |
| 14:29.23 | Fokker680 | i don't know if that helps |
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| 14:31.30 | Fokker680 | is there any way to improve the performance of MTA? |
| 14:31.39 | Neeesat25 | I got this while copy with cp -ax : cp: failed to preserve ownership for `/mnt/nfs/debian/./var/lib/mysql/mysql/help_relation.MYI': Operation not permitted |
| 14:32.14 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 you likely don't have full permissions on the nfs share |
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| 14:33.24 | abrotman | Fokker680: what you're seeing isn't normal .. check the logs .. or try restarting it .. see if it comes up more quickly |
| 14:33.31 | cast | hmmm. does debian remove the non-free parts of linux? the binary firmware blobs or some such... |
| 14:33.40 | abrotman | some of them ... |
| 14:33.49 | Neeesat25 | Can I copy all to a directory on the same disk? |
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| 14:33.50 | abrotman | cast: like whihc ones ? |
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| 14:34.05 | Fokker680 | abrotman: i've tried that already |
| 14:34.08 | smakk | i installed a documentation package. where would i find the file to read it. say if it is a pdf |
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| 14:34.14 | Fokker680 | and that's why i'm asking |
| 14:34.15 | jharrisonwk | Fokker680: do you have networking in 2.6 kernel? |
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| 14:34.37 | jharrisonwk | Fokker680: sounds like the MTA might be timing out for some reason |
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| 14:34.44 | Fokker680 | jharrisonwk: i haven't check, i did an apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-smp |
| 14:34.46 | jharrisonwk | Fokker680: maybe resolution |
| 14:35.01 | Fokker680 | i guess it should have networking enabled by default |
| 14:35.17 | Fokker680 | but the problem is that it's not timing out |
| 14:35.23 | Fokker680 | it justs sits there forever |
| 14:35.28 | Fokker680 | Starting MTA... |
| 14:35.30 | Fokker680 | and that's it |
| 14:35.32 | cast | abrotman: i'm not sure, someone pointed me at http://www.gnewsense.org/ and i said "i use debian, it doesn't have anything non-free in it" keeping in mind i don't use contrib or non-free, they seem to think i'm wrong :\ |
| 14:35.35 | jharrisonwk | yes I know |
| 14:35.37 | Fokker680 | but it works perfectly under 2.4.x |
| 14:35.52 | jharrisonwk | Fokker680: and that usually means something is not right with networking |
| 14:35.59 | abrotman | cast: i think they allow some blobs ... |
| 14:36.02 | Fokker680 | should i check the syslog then? |
| 14:36.14 | abrotman | cast: this has been discussed a few times .. i don't remember the final outcome |
| 14:36.18 | jharrisonwk | Fokker680: sure or boot under 2.6 and see if you have network connectivity |
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| 14:36.47 | abrotman | cast: are oyu actually looking to use some ? |
| 14:36.53 | Fokker680 | how can i check if i have network connectivity if i can never get to the login prompt |
| 14:37.00 | Fokker680 | should i watch the kernel init? |
| 14:37.07 | Kuko | Hello. I just did a fresh install of debian and upgraded it to etch. But the thing is i installed the kde metepackage and it removed hotplug now its not even detecting my keyboard.... how do i fix this? |
| 14:37.23 | Fokker680 | (the server is in a datacenter like 10 miles away from this office, that's why i'm asking) |
| 14:37.49 | asg | Fokker680: do you not have some out-of-band management tools? serial console, kvm/ip ? |
| 14:38.02 | Fokker680 | asg: not here |
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| 14:38.27 | Fokker680 | i should probably ask in the datacenter (i'm housing the server) |
| 14:38.55 | Kuko | Anyone at all |
| 14:39.05 | blondie | dmesg says something like "eth0 up 100Mbps" when you boot? |
| 14:39.11 | abrotman | Kuko: usb keyboard ? |
| 14:39.14 | Kuko | Yes |
| 14:39.21 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: udev is installed? |
| 14:39.28 | abrotman | usbhid module loaded ? |
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| 14:39.33 | Kuko | I doubt it... but why did kde remove hotplug |
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| 14:40.02 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: kde did not remove hotplug |
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| 14:40.07 | Kuko | Yes it did |
| 14:40.12 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: ok |
| 14:40.22 | Kuko | when i ran apt-get install kde it came up as a package needed to be removed |
| 14:40.35 | Neeesat25 | Kevin: can I copy all in a directory on the local disk like cp -ax / /debian? |
| 14:40.38 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: kde depends on many things |
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| 14:40.49 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: in etch udev replaces hotplug |
| 14:41.00 | Kuko | okay... well uhh |
| 14:41.03 | Kevin` | Neeesat25 if /debian is part of the / partition you might end up copying itself |
| 14:41.06 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: if I were you I would make sure udev was installed and then if it is I would not worry about hotplug missing |
| 14:41.06 | Kuko | =\ udev isnt working then |
| 14:41.20 | Kuko | well the thing is my keyboard isnt working =\ |
| 14:41.24 | Kuko | So i really cant check |
| 14:41.26 | Neeesat25 | hmm |
| 14:41.37 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: if you wanted to install etch why did you not use the etch installer? |
| 14:41.51 | Kuko | I was told i should use the netinst |
| 14:42.00 | abrotman | hotplug isn't used anymore |
| 14:42.10 | jharrisonwk | the srage netinst? |
| 14:42.14 | jharrisonwk | sarge |
| 14:42.14 | Kuko | The only one |
| 14:42.16 | abrotman | etch has a netinst |
| 14:42.23 | Kuko | The only one listed that i could find atleast |
| 14:42.24 | Kuko | =\ |
| 14:42.28 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:42.28 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
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| 14:42.51 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:42.51 | fireba11 | Kuko etch netinstall is a bit hidden .. or was the last time i searched for it |
| 14:43.48 | Kuko | Thank you jharrisonwk |
| 14:43.50 | Kuko | :) |
| 14:44.04 | Kuko | To bad i went through the kde & xorg though already xD |
| 14:44.35 | abrotman | Kuko: really though .. just try installing udev |
| 14:44.45 | Kuko | -_- and how do i do that without a keyboard |
| 14:45.00 | Fokker680 | good question. |
| 14:45.08 | Fokker680 | go get yourself a ps/2 keyboard |
| 14:45.19 | Fokker680 | you should get one for less than 20 bucks at any walmart :P |
| 14:45.22 | Kuko | lol |
| 14:45.26 | Kuko | The thing is |
| 14:45.32 | Kuko | When i start up my puter even in debian |
| 14:45.40 | Kuko | Theres a bunch of error type things lol |
| 14:45.46 | Kuko | So i would most likely be safer to reinstall |
| 14:45.47 | fireba11 | Fokker680: got a whole box with 10 laying around collecting dust soemwhere *g* |
| 14:46.08 | Fokker680 | well, then you have bigger problems than a non-functioning keyboard |
| 14:46.25 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: ssh? |
| 14:46.28 | Kuko | huh? |
| 14:46.30 | Kuko | Nah cant |
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| 14:46.40 | Fokker680 | why not |
| 14:46.42 | Fokker680 | it makes sense |
| 14:46.43 | Kuko | Router is all blown to hell |
| 14:46.50 | Kuko | Would never let you in |
| 14:47.00 | fireba11 | Kuko: connect it directly ? |
| 14:47.06 | Kuko | lol |
| 14:47.10 | Fokker680 | hyperterminal? |
| 14:47.13 | Kuko | I dont have 40$ to spend on ethernet cord |
| 14:47.19 | Fokker680 | Oh come on. |
| 14:47.28 | jharrisonwk | Kuko: crimp your own? |
| 14:47.32 | Fokker680 | all you need is a utp |
| 14:47.38 | Fokker680 | you can cross the cables yourself |
| 14:47.46 | Kuko | Or i could just reinstall and hope it works =\ |
| 14:47.51 | epsilon | 40$ for a cable?! |
| 14:47.53 | Kuko | Since i did mess up some things in the reinstall |
| 14:47.54 | Kuko | And yes |
| 14:47.56 | Kuko | 40$ |
| 14:48.01 | epsilon | 100m role something? |
| 14:48.05 | Kuko | to run from downstairs to my room |
| 14:48.09 | Ronin | Kuko: that cable better come with a hand then |
| 14:48.14 | Fokker680 | tru. |
| 14:48.16 | Kuko | Yeah i know lol |
| 14:48.20 | Kuko | Its rediculus |
| 14:48.26 | fireba11 | Kuko: of course you can just reinstall |
| 14:48.26 | Kuko | But. Its the way it is >< |
| 14:48.34 | Fokker680 | we are not telling you to buy a 20 inches long fiber optic cable |
| 14:48.39 | Kuko | It might be a safer bet though haha |
| 14:48.41 | Kuko | lmao |
| 14:48.44 | Kuko | I like this room :P |
| 14:48.47 | Kuko | hahaha |
| 14:48.54 | Ronin | haul the damn machine then to where you are? |
| 14:48.57 | fireba11 | Fokker680: for my 3m optical cable i paid 7 € ^^ |
| 14:49.02 | Whitman | oh dear, all I saw in my summary bar was "20 inches" |
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| 14:49.11 | Fokker680 | hah. |
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| 14:49.23 | cast | hmmm. this compromise of debian policy with non-free firmware in main [for wifi it seems] troubles me :\ |
| 14:49.27 | Fokker680 | Whitman: you only read what you want to read ;) |
| 14:49.28 | the_mug | Whitman: what summary bar? in xchat? |
| 14:49.38 | SmallR2004 | am i right in believing that postfix sends, receives, but offers no way to view (remotely) mail? |
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| 14:49.43 | saltia | which server is there alive for public key for apt-get update errors? |
| 14:49.52 | Whitman | Fokker680, yea, you're probably right :) |
| 14:50.00 | saltia | W: GPG error: http://www.vollstreckernet.de testing Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron verificar porque su llave pública no está disponible: NO_PUBKEY D63913EF50D0AE60 |
| 14:50.05 | Whitman | the_mug, nah, HydraIRC, I'm on windows at work |
| 14:50.14 | saltia | any help guys? |
| 14:50.20 | Ronin | saltia: /topic |
| 14:50.21 | the_mug | ah. |
| 14:50.23 | SmallR2004 | !tell saltia about edge key |
| 14:50.35 | SmallR2004 | !tell saltia about 2006key |
| 14:50.41 | SmallR2004 | fine... |
| 14:50.43 | Fokker680 | hah. |
| 14:50.46 | asg | saltia: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 14:50.47 | SmallR2004 | !tell saltia about no public key |
| 14:50.55 | Fokker680 | "Dammit just tell the guy about the fucking edge key" |
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| 14:51.08 | Ronin | etch not edge |
| 14:51.12 | SmallR2004 | arg |
| 14:51.13 | stew | SmallR2004: that is neithr the etch key, nor the 2006 key |
| 14:51.21 | SmallR2004 | ive got GSM technology on the mind |
| 14:51.26 | SmallR2004 | i've too |
| 14:51.28 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: are you the lone wolf with cub? |
| 14:51.37 | SmallR2004 | (EDGE = faster GPRS) |
| 14:51.39 | saltia | Ronin, SmallR2004,asg: i want that key |
| 14:51.50 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: i could tell you but then ide have to kill you |
| 14:51.55 | SmallR2004 | i believe google is your friend |
| 14:51.57 | saltia | i tried wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc -O - | apt-key add |
| 14:51.57 | saltia | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.04 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: thats not right |
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| 14:52.19 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: what if I am looking to give you a job for 500 ryu? |
| 14:52.28 | stew | saltia: /msg dpkg apt-key 50D0AE60 |
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| 14:52.48 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: well in that case :) |
| 14:53.24 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: Ogami Itto never killed people just cause they knew who he was |
| 14:53.30 | saltia | stew, i does not underestand you |
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| 14:53.36 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: do you know Lone Wolf and Cub? |
| 14:53.57 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: yes i do, i have the graphic novels somewhere at home |
| 14:54.04 | jharrisonwk | true |
| 14:54.18 | SmallR2004 | does anyone want to make my mailserver work for me? |
| 14:54.19 | jharrisonwk | samurai stuff is cool |
| 14:54.29 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: no |
| 14:54.40 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: unless you are paying? |
| 14:54.41 | SmallR2004 | fine |
| 14:54.46 | SmallR2004 | i was going to offer beer |
| 14:54.51 | SmallR2004 | and a bed for the night |
| 14:55.26 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: I charge $100 an hour |
| 14:55.31 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: whats the problem though |
| 14:55.50 | SmallR2004 | mmmn, being overworked more than anything else >.< |
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| 14:56.05 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: the problem with your mail server is it is being overworked? |
| 14:56.06 | SmallR2004 | i believe i've got postfix working with smtp |
| 14:56.11 | petemc | SmallR2004: you can get free support in this channel if you ask correctly |
| 14:56.28 | SmallR2004 | petemc, i know this already, i'm being humorous :P |
| 14:56.44 | SmallR2004 | and, me being over worked ;) |
| 14:56.47 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: can you post main.cf and master.cf to pastebin or something? |
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| 14:57.07 | SmallR2004 | it's the IMAP/POP3 side which i need to get working |
| 14:57.18 | saltia | Ronin, can you help me with that? |
| 14:57.23 | petemc | dovecot works for me |
| 14:57.31 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: ah ok |
| 14:57.39 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: what pop3/imap are you wanting to use? |
| 14:57.45 | stew | saltia: that key is not a debian key. I got that key from a keyserver by running "gpg --recv-keys 50D0AE60". however that key doesn't have any 3rd party signatures on it, which means there is no way to verify that it was signed by who claimed to sign it |
| 14:57.52 | stew | !apt-key 50D0AE60 |
| 14:57.52 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 50D0AE60 ; gpg --export 50D0AE60 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 14:57.57 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: as petemc said dovecot is nice |
| 14:57.59 | Ronin | saltia: did you do what the topic says to do and what dpkg say? |
| 14:58.00 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: I use it also |
| 14:58.01 | stew | saltia: that is how you would add it to your keyring ^^^ |
| 14:58.36 | AmGull | How i can enable in debian ip forwarding forever ? |
| 14:58.40 | saltia | Ronin, dpkg did not say me nothing obout it |
| 14:58.44 | Ronin | please continue you to hold your patience is appreciated, dell gold support my butt |
| 14:58.45 | stew | saltia: why are you getting packages from that repository instead of a debian repository? |
| 14:58.47 | Ronin | saltia: it sure did |
| 14:59.01 | stew | AmGull: edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:59.05 | saltia | i am trying to add emule cvs |
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| 14:59.14 | stew | AmGull: (then run sysctl -p) |
| 14:59.20 | saltia | i added:deb http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian/ testing amule wx |
| 14:59.20 | saltia | deb-src http://www.vollstreckernet.de/debian/ testing amule |
| 14:59.27 | SmallR2004 | i spent ~20h yesterday researching various MTA's and decided on (and hopefully configured) postfix (correctly i hope), i now don't especially feel like going through all the IMAP/SMTP alternatives to pick one for use with postfix |
| 14:59.39 | Wink|Work | then use dovecot 8) |
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| 14:59.40 | SmallR2004 | in other words, pass the coffee please someone ;) |
| 14:59.43 | SmallR2004 | okey |
| 14:59.45 | Wink|Work | also postfix is your SMTP server |
| 14:59.47 | stew | saltia: read what dpkg said |
| 14:59.49 | Wink|Work | and dovecot would be IMAP/POP3 |
| 14:59.55 | SmallR2004 | that's what i meant >.< |
| 14:59.57 | Wink|Work | ;) |
| 15:00.09 | stew | saltia: and you should encourage the guy who runs that repository to get his key signed |
| 15:00.10 | SmallR2004 | sorry, 36h sleep in nine days |
| 15:00.35 | SmallR2004 | dovecot gets three votes, i'll go with that then |
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| 15:01.13 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: postfix sends and receives mail but pop3/imap is used to retrieve the mail from your inbox |
| 15:01.22 | abrotman | SmallR2004: do you have other needs than just imap ? |
| 15:01.51 | SmallR2004 | imap *should* be ok, but i believe some mobile|cell phones only do pop3 |
| 15:02.01 | abrotman | SmallR2004: i meant .. shared folders or anything like that ? |
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| 15:02.01 | SmallR2004 | so, support for both sounds a good idea to me |
| 15:02.11 | SmallR2004 | um, not to my knowledge |
| 15:02.25 | SmallR2004 | i just want it to send, receive, and let me view mail |
| 15:02.30 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Sorry, had to run away from the desk |
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| 15:02.46 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: But what you really want is DRBD and Heartbeat, if you want realtime mirrored clusters |
| 15:02.51 | SmallR2004 | dovecot installed |
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| 15:03.48 | k31th | If i want to copy a remote box whats the best option? (its debian) i want an exact copy... |
| 15:03.50 | saltia | stew, did you know a debian repository for emuled? |
| 15:03.50 | rgsteele | I use it for our clusters and it works great. Although, I did have to backport the etch version of DRBD (there was a minor annoyance starting at version 0.7.21, and etch has 0.7.22), and grabbed the latest Heartbeat from backports.org |
| 15:03.56 | saltia | stew, did you know a debian repository for *amuled? |
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| 15:04.09 | k31th | Should i just install debian this end and copy the various confs over |
| 15:04.10 | k31th | ? |
| 15:04.13 | SmallR2004 | it should all fit together hand and glove style right? |
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| 15:05.22 | stew | saltia: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:05.35 | abrotman | SmallR2004: you have to tell postfix to deliver to Maildir |
| 15:05.44 | SmallR2004 | OK |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | at least .. i think dovecot uses maildir by default |
| 15:05.52 | stew | abrotman: it will use either |
| 15:05.55 | k31th | Yeah it does. |
| 15:06.04 | SmallR2004 | i'm wandering through the config now |
| 15:06.09 | abrotman | I <3 Maildir |
| 15:06.11 | abrotman | :) |
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| 15:06.17 | k31th | But it does work with mbox |
| 15:06.25 | k31th | iv used it with both. |
| 15:06.38 | k31th | Do any of you guys run a hosting for various domains ? |
| 15:06.39 | stew | k31th: in what way is mailir the default? |
| 15:06.43 | petemc | it can use both simultaneously |
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| 15:06.56 | saltia | stew, deb ftp://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 15:07.00 | stew | id argue uses mbox by default |
| 15:07.06 | k31th | stew tbh default was the wrong word to use |
| 15:07.09 | stew | !info amule-daemon testing |
| 15:07.11 | dpkg | amule-daemon: (non-graphic version of aMule, a client for the eD2k and Kad networks), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.1.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 938 kB, Installed size: 2330 kB |
| 15:07.23 | stew | saltia: any debian mirror, /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:07.43 | stew | saltia: yes, that one, ftp.es will have it, apt-cache policy amule-daemon |
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| 15:08.29 | SmallR2004 | ok, all going well so far |
| 15:08.36 | humbolt | how can I set the ppp interface for one of my peers to be some custom name like ppp-peer? |
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| 15:08.53 | abrotman | petemc: does the dovecot in etch do shared maildirs now ? |
| 15:09.26 | abrotman | eh .. i guess not |
| 15:09.30 | petemc | abrotman: dont know off the top of my head |
| 15:09.30 | saltia | stew, http://paste.debian.net/18316 |
| 15:09.36 | abrotman | wait .. it should |
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| 15:09.46 | abrotman | it was supposed to be part of 1.0 .. they have 1.0rc15 |
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| 15:09.54 | petemc | 1.0 isnt released |
| 15:10.01 | petemc | rc15 is latest aiui |
| 15:10.05 | abrotman | yeah ... |
| 15:10.17 | rejurajeev | friends .. i need help .. unable to install etch on core2duo+intel dg965whmkr based box .. error unable to install CDROM |
| 15:10.17 | abrotman | too bad it wasn't fully done a year ago .. oh well |
| 15:10.28 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: I know all about heartbeat and drbd |
| 15:10.42 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: but I was talking about mirroring a base system for install of mutliple cluster nodes |
| 15:10.56 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: like for use in a network install so all cluster nodes are exactly the same |
| 15:11.21 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: there is some tool mentioned in Linux Enterprise Cluster about it |
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| 15:11.50 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: FAI |
| 15:12.29 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: I use that on our clusters too. Lets me have a single node back up in less than 3 minutes, full base install. Even fills in all the info for the setups, so it's completely automated |
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| 15:12.37 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: yes but the tool I mean creates an image of the system that can be used to install on another system |
| 15:12.38 | afaik | how do I reload my bash profile> |
| 15:12.53 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: sort of like norton's thing |
| 15:12.57 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: cant remember what its called |
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| 15:13.10 | cahoot | afaik, you can 'source' it |
| 15:13.11 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: I think you're thinking of Norton Ghost |
| 15:13.12 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: yeah FAI is sweet |
| 15:13.15 | afaik | source it? |
| 15:13.16 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: yes |
| 15:13.31 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: what kind of clusters to you operate? |
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| 15:13.33 | JoelR | One question, i have in a machine 3 NICs, and i want to know what module is using each network interface (ethX) is there a way to know it? |
| 15:13.36 | SmallR2004 | to make postfix use maildir i want to do: postconf home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 15:13.38 | SmallR2004 | right? |
| 15:13.40 | RoyK | hi. how can i make initrd on etch? |
| 15:13.51 | afaik | I sourced it |
| 15:13.54 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Database, Web Server, and Mail |
| 15:13.59 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: yes |
| 15:14.04 | SmallR2004 | :) |
| 15:14.11 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: do you use lvs? |
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| 15:14.15 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Yup |
| 15:14.16 | SmallR2004 | i am a bit more intelligent than a cabbage! i knew it |
| 15:14.17 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: how many nodes in your cluster? |
| 15:14.19 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: sweet |
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| 15:14.38 | AmGull | stew:i do what you say , but after reboot in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward the value is 0 |
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| 15:14.42 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: I think that is right anyways |
| 15:14.49 | jharrisonwk | SmallR2004: I would have to look at documentation to make sure |
| 15:14.50 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: only 6 at the colo facility, but I manage our office cluster as well |
| 15:15.08 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: er, s/6/8/ |
| 15:15.12 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: I operate a 6 node cluster as well |
| 15:15.24 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: however we do not use lvs anymore unfortuately |
| 15:15.31 | naitram | using pico, how do you copy a section of text to the clipboard or out to a file |
| 15:15.40 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: we now use foundry devices which I have learned to like and dislike |
| 15:15.47 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: I like lvs much better |
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| 15:15.58 | rejurajeev | Hi GURUS.. i need help ,i am new to debian, unable to install etch on my new box(intel core 2 duo + intel dg965whmkr) ..issue cdrom not detecting..please help |
| 15:16.07 | jharrisonwk | maybe one day I will be able to run my own cluster my own way |
| 15:16.08 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Yeah, I like lvs. My boss even contributed to the development of lvs |
| 15:16.09 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 15:16.13 | SmallR2004 | hmmm, that doesn't work :~/ |
| 15:16.17 | abrotman | try legacy mode for the controller perhaps |
| 15:16.20 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: sounds like you have a cool boss |
| 15:16.22 | fireba11 | rejurajeev: sata cd-rom ? |
| 15:16.43 | rejurajeev | fireball : no ide |
| 15:16.52 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Eh, most of the time. He's a very I'm-always-right kind of guy. Usually he is, but in the few instances in which I am, it sort of bugs me. |
| 15:17.08 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: I totally understand |
| 15:17.16 | rgsteele | But, all things considered, a boss could be a lot worse I suppose :) |
| 15:17.36 | SmallR2004 | right, got that fixed |
| 15:18.27 | Neeesat25 | Kevin: Just copied no prop |
| 15:18.29 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Also, I'm a relatively young sysadmin, and he's got a lot more experience, so I learn to just absorb as much as I can, even if just his methodologies and not the specific techniques themselves. |
| 15:18.30 | fireba11 | rejurajeev: did what abrotman suggested .. legacy mode for controller ? |
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| 15:18.38 | abrotman | rejurajeev: i'd almost guarantee that cd drive is SATA |
| 15:18.43 | bolly | hi how can i do netbios lookups |
| 15:18.51 | abrotman | with samba stuffs |
| 15:19.18 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: building experience is essential |
| 15:19.51 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: in certain things I am more experienced here in my office |
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| 15:20.12 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: however sometimes i have to do things not necessarily the right way but just so it works |
| 15:20.24 | stew | AmGull: what exactly did you add to /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 15:20.29 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: that sort of bugs me as I am a very by the book sort of fellow |
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| 15:21.05 | SmallR2004 | i then want to set mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir in dovecot, right? |
| 15:21.17 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Yeah, agreed. I think that's part of the learning process... levying "just works" and "the right way" |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 15:21.36 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: yes |
| 15:21.43 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: I am not a big fan of the just works though |
| 15:21.50 | perlmonk | jharrisonwk, A good plannification will have you do it the right way. The only BIG issue is the deadline which oftens kills some the the plannification |
| 15:21.52 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: because then when it breaks guess who has to fix it? |
| 15:22.05 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: you need to work for the govt more, we're big fans of if its working dont muck wit hit |
| 15:22.06 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: "Just works" is almost never the right way...it's just unmaintainable for us :) |
| 15:22.14 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: heh |
| 15:22.18 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: heh I mean |
| 15:22.21 | AmGull | stew:i just uncoment the line :net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 |
| 15:22.37 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: we have a saying in the bahamas |
| 15:22.38 | saltia | stew, are you? |
| 15:22.48 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: "Its good enough for government work" |
| 15:23.01 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: meaning well it works so leave it alone |
| 15:23.04 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: yep, only we use close enough for govt work |
| 15:23.11 | AmGull | stew:and then run #sysctl -p |
| 15:23.15 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: :) |
| 15:23.23 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: where are you? |
| 15:23.30 | bolly | brave brave sir ronin |
| 15:23.40 | bolly | bravely ran away away |
| 15:23.50 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: new brunswick canada |
| 15:24.01 | Ronin | thats sir robin iirc :) |
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| 15:25.24 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: ah |
| 15:25.33 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: I am half canadian |
| 15:25.41 | jharrisonwk | Ronin: never been to new brunswick though |
| 15:26.23 | abrotman | not missing much :) |
| 15:26.57 | stew | AmGull: oh, that sets the default, not the actual interfaces, so it won't affect interfaces which were already brought up. "/etc/init.d/networking restart" might set it on the individual interfaces, rebooting definately will |
| 15:27.21 | Ronin | abrotman: your just upset that we don't let you in |
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| 15:30.57 | Ronin | heh |
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| 15:31.46 | SmallR2004 | hmmm |
| 15:31.52 | jharrisonwk | [Cadet]: how do you like the wii? |
| 15:31.54 | SmallR2004 | that's great, it's working :) |
| 15:32.15 | [Cadet] | jharrisonwk: We're all quite pleased with it |
| 15:33.11 | spyda | *Brilliant!* |
| 15:33.15 | jharrisonwk | mmmmm guinness |
| 15:33.39 | spyda | I'm a huge fan of Boulavard |
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| 15:33.55 | [Cadet] | Does compiz on sid actually work? I've tried the stuff on the wiki and whenever I do the compiz --replace & X just freezes |
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| 15:34.28 | SmallR2004 | ok, that's working, postfix *seems* to be working, egroupware was working the last time i checked, now lets bring all three together |
| 15:34.39 | enouf | AmGull: could 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' for iface already up |
| 15:34.41 | SmallR2004 | i believe i got postfix working with greylisting too |
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| 15:37.34 | AmGull | enouf:i Want when i restart computer to have ip_forwarding set to all network interfaces i have this pc will be a router |
| 15:37.53 | SmallR2004 | what do people advise, mapping with ldap? mysql? |
| 15:38.19 | abrotman | Ronin: at least i know how to use homonyms! |
| 15:38.30 | k31th | I don't rate LDAP i wish id used mysql for auth on a box i setup tbh |
| 15:38.38 | Ronin | :) |
| 15:38.56 | enouf | AmGull: ok .. you should be set then .. stew knows more than I |
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| 15:40.47 | markybob | wasnt software suspend removed from the kernel in favor of the user space software suspend? and if so, why's uswsusp giving me a message saying that my kernel doesnt support software suspend? where am i going wrong here? using sid with 2.6.19.1 |
| 15:42.35 | stew | AmGull: when you restart, ip_forward will be set on all network interfaces |
| 15:42.55 | rgsteele | [Cadet]: Sid is, as it's name implies, unstable :) |
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| 15:45.03 | [Cadet] | rgsteele: Yes I know, I've used debian for many years |
| 15:45.09 | rgsteele | :) |
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| 15:45.21 | [Cadet] | Just a general question to see what says the masses |
| 15:45.28 | rgsteele | !ask |
| 15:45.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:46.31 | rgsteele | Oh, I can answer that for you. Occasionally :) |
| 15:46.40 | rgsteele | !beer [Cadet] |
| 15:46.53 | rgsteele | Friends? Hehe |
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| 15:47.58 | cydork | [Cadet]: i am using compiz on testing without any probs, cant say about the sid :P |
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| 15:48.04 | vano | Please can someone point me to any howto/docs on how to install a debian on a live system (on another HD) without booting up a livecd? Thanks a lot! |
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| 15:48.16 | asg | vano: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 15:48.39 | t2ktemp | does xgl and compiz work now , last time i tryed i had a problem with dbus i think ? |
| 15:49.01 | [Cadet] | cydork: nvidia? If so what version of the driver? |
| 15:49.08 | vano | asg: thats it chroot installation is what I need. Thanks a lot! |
| 15:49.14 | asg | vano: you're welcome |
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| 15:49.23 | t2ktemp | it was a month ago and katest driver then |
| 15:49.24 | cydork | [Cadet]: nvidia sucks! i am using it on i810 :P |
| 15:49.27 | t2ktemp | it was nvidia |
| 15:49.40 | [Cadet] | cydork: Well not much choice here, this is a laptop |
| 15:49.41 | cydork | t2ktemp: debian doesn't have xgl, it has aiglx |
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| 15:50.07 | t2ktemp | that was it sorry it was aiglx |
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| 15:52.27 | humbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.43 | fas3r | for use the command mkinitrd i need to specifie an argument in the "make modules modules_install bzImage" when i recompil my kernel ... :s ? |
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| 15:53.00 | DanO | Hi all |
| 15:53.07 | cydork | fas3r: use kernel-package |
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| 15:53.36 | DanO | Do i need to make an initrd if i have used the make-kpkg and installed the .deb file? |
| 15:53.55 | stew | DanO: did you use the --initrd parameter to make-kpkg? |
| 15:53.58 | fas3r | because i haven't /initrd folders after my recompilation ... :s |
| 15:54.18 | DanO | no I just did make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image after menu makeconfig |
| 15:54.20 | fas3r | i don't use make-kpkg |
| 15:54.45 | stew | DanO: then no initrd would be created. do you need an initrd? |
| 15:54.46 | cahoot | fas3r, use it |
| 15:54.47 | fas3r | and i say no at all question ? |
| 15:55.05 | DanO | . config-2.6.16.35 grub System.map-2.6.16.35 vmlinuz-2.6.16.35 |
| 15:55.05 | DanO | .. config-2.6.8-2-386 initrd.img-2.6.8-2-386 System.map-2.6.8-2-386 vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 15:55.08 | naitram | im using sarge, it comes with kontact 1.0.2, how do i get the latest version installed |
| 15:55.13 | DanO | thats whats In my /boot dir |
| 15:55.31 | fas3r | stew yes i think because i have an error after my recompilation " cannot open root device "808" or unknow-block(8,8) " |
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| 15:55.51 | cast | naitram: a newer version might be in backports.org, or you could make your own .deb from the latest, or upgrade to etch |
| 15:56.25 | fas3r | i think it's by my fault i have make an error during the compilation but i suppose if i generate a initrd files it's good ... |
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| 15:57.06 | stew | fas3r: you forgot to include either your filesystem driver (ext3?) or the hard disk controller |
| 15:57.17 | fas3r | i have it .. :s |
| 15:57.29 | abrotman | no .. you don't :) |
| 15:57.32 | stew | fas3r: those need to be compiled in directly (*), not as modules (M) |
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| 15:57.41 | fas3r | stew all ? |
| 15:57.47 | stew | fas3r: all? |
| 15:57.57 | DanO | bah |
| 15:58.11 | fas3r | yes for SATA setting .. |
| 15:58.13 | abrotman | fas3r: if you're not using initrd .. you need to have the drivers for those items compiled into the kernel |
| 15:58.19 | fas3r | nvidia2_... |
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| 15:58.51 | fas3r | yes i have it but i don't know if it's (M) or (*) i make error all type '^^ |
| 15:59.06 | abrotman | boot the old working kernel .. fix your config |
| 15:59.23 | JamieCope | hello. You people advised me to install the GNU implementation of Java. However, i am deeply disappointed with it. It simply does not want to follow the SUN Java Api. |
| 15:59.32 | stew | fas3r: if you compiled any of them as M then you'll either need to recompile, or build an initrd |
| 15:59.42 | fas3r | abrotman, i make it in parrallele with a knoppix i chroot my partition ... |
| 15:59.58 | beardy | JamieCope: Which is this "you people?" A bit more specific when you're talking to ~800 people. |
| 16:00.10 | JamieCope | for example i get an error "insufficient_security" on a code that works on all other Java implementations. And, above all, that exception is raised in a method that really does not exist in the SUN API. |
| 16:00.18 | JamieCope | beardy, several people on this channel |
| 16:00.27 | beardy | JamieCope: So install what you want instead? |
| 16:00.35 | JamieCope | but no one seemed to argue with usign GNU Java |
| 16:00.41 | fas3r | stew ok but do you think i don't touch my .config files ( with make menuconfig) and i create a initrd files it's possible it's work if it's just a problem of (M) or (*) ... :s ? |
| 16:00.51 | DanO | ok so does any kind person know whether it will just boot off the kernel image in the /boot dir? |
| 16:00.54 | JamieCope | beardy, yes, but I dont understand how could anyone recommend GNU Java at all |
| 16:01.27 | beardy | JamieCope: Lots of things that people recommend I don't understadn either, you have to know what you want to have. |
| 16:01.54 | beardy | But I wasn't here, so I don't know who did, I don't even know of a GNU Java. |
| 16:02.15 | stew | JamieCope: the gnu java will work for many people. It just depends on what parts of java you need. and we will usually recommend free software over non-free software. |
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| 16:02.35 | stew | JamieCope: did you try altering the security settings in java.security? |
| 16:02.48 | mc__ | im trying to compile enlightnement form cvs the autogen script gives me followin error:./autogen.sh: line 10: aclocal: command not found |
| 16:02.55 | JamieCope | stew I did nothing. Simply took a very simple Echo client/server using SSL sockets |
| 16:02.55 | mc__ | does someone have an idea how to fix that? |
| 16:03.23 | JamieCope | and I can't run it because of that security error. I asked the guys on the Java channel and all tehy could say was uninstall GNU Java and install the SUN Java |
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| 16:03.29 | stew | JamieCope: well the answer to you question is, "becuase gnu java is free, sun java is not, and gnu java works fine for many people" |
| 16:03.34 | asg | mc__: install build-essential |
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| 16:04.00 | JamieCope | stew, SUN Java is also as free as it can be. It's just not open source |
| 16:04.07 | asg | mc__: if that doesn't pull in autoconf, make sure to install the autoconf package |
| 16:04.09 | cydork | mc__: you need automake or autoconf. i always forget which one |
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| 16:04.21 | mc__ | build-essential is installed |
| 16:04.31 | stew | JamieCope: as far as this channel is concerned, free is defined by the debian free software guidelines: /msg dpkg dfsg |
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| 16:04.52 | JamieCope | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.54 | JamieCope | sorry |
| 16:04.58 | RichiH | heh |
| 16:05.13 | RichiH | burn him! |
| 16:05.22 | asg | !burn JamieCope |
| 16:06.05 | mc__ | JamieCope: SUN java is Open Source |
| 16:06.20 | stew | mc__: a small part of it is. the bulk of it is not |
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| 16:06.42 | beardy | And not Free Software. Which is what is recommended here, as said.. |
| 16:06.49 | mc__ | stew: i thought jdk1.7 is released under the gpl |
| 16:06.58 | abrotman | mc__: not fully yet .. check again in six months or so |
| 16:07.13 | abrotman | mc__: sun's FAQ covers this |
| 16:07.13 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 16:07.15 | abrotman | !java |
| 16:07.16 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 16:07.24 | beardy | ANything else I've missed besides "GNU java"? |
| 16:07.35 | JamieCope | Anyway, I remember why i installed GNU Java. Because it was much more simple to install than the SUN one |
| 16:07.47 | tarzeau | did you ever NEED java? |
| 16:07.49 | stew | JamieCope: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:08.06 | Supaplex | won't chocolate milk do? ;) |
| 16:08.06 | stew | mc__: none of the class libraries are open, for example. |
| 16:08.20 | tarzeau | Supaplex: i'm getting that right now |
| 16:08.28 | mc__ | stew: alright |
| 16:08.41 | mc__ | cydork: i've got automake and autoconf but i still get the same error |
| 16:08.50 | JamieCope | stew, Etch testing/unstable, i forgot which release exactly |
| 16:09.11 | stew | JamieCope: add non-free to your sources.list and apt-get install sun-java5-jre or -jdk |
| 16:09.20 | stew | JamieCope: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 16:09.49 | Supaplex | it's magicly delicious |
| 16:10.08 | cydork | mc__: automake should have aclocal |
| 16:11.21 | cydork | mc__: which version of debian is this? |
| 16:11.30 | JamieCope | oh i already had contrib non-free at the end of my list. so it's just as easy as that |
| 16:11.39 | mc__ | cydork: sarge |
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| 16:12.27 | cydork | !find aclocal sarge |
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| 16:12.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'aclocal' (7 of 23): (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.6) in devel/automake1.6 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.8) in devel/automake1.8 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.9) in devel/automake1.9 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.7) in devel/automake1.7 ;; (/usr/bin/aclocal-1.4) in devel/automake1.4 ;; (/usr/share/vdkb2/res/aclocal.m4) in devel/vdkbuilder2 ;; (/usr/share/libtool/libltdl/aclocal.m4) in devel/libtool. |
| 16:12.46 | JamieCope | and how exactly could i uninstall the GNU Java? |
| 16:13.02 | Kuko | Hello i was in here earlyer with a hotplug issue & i was told to check udev. Well i found a ps/2 keyboard and checked and it is installed but its not detecting anything |
| 16:13.23 | Kuko | So im thinkin i should reinstall with the etch cd |
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| 16:13.55 | stew | JamieCope: apt-get remove packagename |
| 16:13.58 | cydork | Kuko: what is the issue? |
| 16:14.10 | stew | JamieCope: or you can just make sun the default with "update-alternatives --config java" |
| 16:14.10 | Kuko | udev isnt working and hotplug was removed when i installed kde |
| 16:14.29 | Kuko | I installed sarge from netinst and upgraded it to etch with the sources list & dist-upgrade |
| 16:14.31 | stew | Kuko: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:14.54 | Kuko | ^ |
| 16:14.56 | cydork | !hotplug |
| 16:14.57 | dpkg | well, hotplug is a auto detect that are pluged into a running system (USB / IDE) http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ , or see discover, or now replaced by udev in etch+ |
| 16:15.01 | stew | Kuko: what version of udev is installed? |
| 16:15.08 | Kuko | What ever the newist in etch is |
| 16:15.12 | JamieCope | stew i mean how can i see exactly the name of my GNU Java package |
| 16:15.28 | JamieCope | i tried dpkg -l gcj and i cant find it |
| 16:15.35 | Kuko | Im not in debian right now |
| 16:15.38 | stew | JamieCope: dpkg -l | grep gcj |
| 16:15.52 | cydork | Kuko: so why do you say udev is not working? |
| 16:15.56 | stew | Kuko: what is the question then? |
| 16:16.07 | Kuko | Its not detecting my keyboard & mouse |
| 16:16.08 | Kuko | =\ |
| 16:16.12 | stew | Kuko: if the question is "should i reinstall" the answer is almost certainly, no |
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| 16:16.23 | stew | Kuko: what kernel version is it running? |
| 16:16.24 | cydork | Kuko: which kernel are you using now? |
| 16:16.28 | Kuko | Uhhhh |
| 16:16.36 | Kuko | Here one second i will reboot into debian & install irssi |
| 16:16.40 | Kuko | be right back k? |
| 16:16.53 | stew | you are going to be able to use irssi without a keyboard? |
| 16:17.01 | cydork | heh |
| 16:17.03 | Kuko | I have a ps/2 keyboard that works |
| 16:17.09 | Kuko | my good keyboard is usb |
| 16:17.14 | Kuko | so is my mouse |
| 16:17.18 | Kuko | lol |
| 16:17.22 | Kuko | So i will brb |
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| 16:20.27 | kuko | Hello im on debian now ;) |
| 16:20.37 | stew | kuko: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:20.40 | kuko | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 16:20.47 | cydork | kuko: use the etch kernel |
| 16:20.50 | stew | kuko: udev requires a 2.6.15 or later kernel |
| 16:20.56 | kuko | Ahh |
| 16:20.59 | kuko | How do i upgrade that |
| 16:20.59 | stew | kuko: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
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| 16:21.45 | abrotman | that's not an etch installer kernel |
| 16:22.02 | stew | abrotman: yeah, he installed sarge and dist-upgraded |
| 16:22.03 | karsten | Bah. Morning. |
| 16:22.17 | kuko | sexy its installing ^_^ |
| 16:22.24 | kuko | Yay i finally get a 686 kernel :P |
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| 16:22.47 | kuko | thx stew :P life saver |
| 16:23.17 | vook | in the absense of the 'rmmod' command in the debian installer, how would I go about removing and reloading a module? |
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| 16:23.20 | pickcoder | I still can not get this Dell 420 workstation to install |
| 16:23.22 | kuko | now after thats done all i gotta do is get xorg working =\ |
| 16:23.24 | kuko | lol |
| 16:23.24 | cydork | !rmmod |
| 16:23.24 | dpkg | well, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 16:23.26 | stew | vook: modprobe -r |
| 16:23.43 | vook | stew: thank you :) |
| 16:23.51 | petemc | pickcoder: im running debian on a few sc420s |
| 16:23.54 | kuko | stew one more question :P |
| 16:24.00 | pickcoder | ide-detect fails with missing modules |
| 16:24.02 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 16:24.13 | bbelt16ag | how do i find 0 byte files with find? |
| 16:24.14 | pickcoder | the CD-ROM won't mount |
| 16:24.18 | pickcoder | yet it boots from it |
| 16:24.21 | kuko | I have a nvidia card. I tried to setup my xorg.conf and i filled everthing in right as far as i know but it still didnt work =\ |
| 16:24.26 | bbelt16ag | mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom no work: |
| 16:24.26 | stew | bbelt16ag: info find, go to finding files -> size |
| 16:24.27 | pickcoder | and loads the kernel/ramfs |
| 16:24.27 | cydork | bbelt16ag: man find look for size |
| 16:24.30 | kuko | im using the nv driver |
| 16:24.32 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 16:24.38 | kuko | Do you think the kernel upgrade might help |
| 16:24.39 | stew | pickcoder: intel sata chipset? |
| 16:24.39 | kuko | ? |
| 16:24.53 | pickcoder | stew: it's older than that.. it's IDE and SCSI |
| 16:24.58 | pickcoder | I have an I20 card in it |
| 16:24.58 | cydork | stew: damn! you type to fast :P |
| 16:25.03 | pickcoder | but the CD is EIDE |
| 16:25.04 | vook | cydork: enlightened as I now am, I'm curious as to what the problem is with rmmod? (a url, whatever...) |
| 16:25.11 | cydork | s/to/too/ |
| 16:25.33 | AmGull | stew:about ip forwarding i want it everytime to be set for all interfaces because i will use this pc for router |
| 16:25.33 | pickcoder | speed != quality |
| 16:25.37 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:25.54 | pickcoder | I've tried beta1, beta2, and RC1 |
| 16:25.57 | pickcoder | ISO images |
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| 16:26.02 | pickcoder | even burned one @ 12X |
| 16:26.10 | pickcoder | just to make sure the CD was good |
| 16:26.27 | magyar | how can i tell amavis not to remove doc file extentions ? |
| 16:26.34 | cydork | vook: google it, :P |
| 16:26.45 | stew | kuko: no, it wouldn't affect your xorg. what is the error you get when running "startx"? no screens found? no core pointers? |
| 16:26.51 | stew | AmGull: yes. i understand |
| 16:27.12 | pickcoder | there are no bugs filed on this specific issue |
| 16:27.24 | stew | vook: "modprobe -r" can do everything rmmod can do but is smart enough to also remove dependencies first |
| 16:27.30 | kuko | fatal server error. Failed to initilize core devices |
| 16:27.30 | pickcoder | but I would think that there's plenty of Dell 420 systems out there running Debian |
| 16:27.43 | petemc | yes |
| 16:27.50 | petemc | i dont recall having any issues |
| 16:28.01 | vook | cydork: I see how you are. Ah, coo. thanks. I'm a debian --> ubuntu --> soon to be back to debian convert. :) |
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| 16:28.07 | stew | kuko: modprobe mousedev ; add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 16:28.10 | stew | kuko: then try again |
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| 16:28.14 | pickcoder | petemc: this is a Precision 420 MT |
| 16:28.21 | petemc | pickcoder: ah, different beast |
| 16:28.30 | bbelt16ag | ok what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:28.31 | petemc | pickcoder: theres a debian dell iso |
| 16:28.31 | bbelt16ag | find . -size 0b |
| 16:28.33 | pickcoder | with RIMM.. |
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| 16:28.43 | pickcoder | tho that doesn't matter.. except for performance |
| 16:28.45 | asg | bbelt16ag: what error are you getting? |
| 16:28.50 | pickcoder | petemc: eh? where? |
| 16:28.56 | pickcoder | installer page? |
| 16:28.56 | bbelt16ag | it just displays all the directories |
| 16:28.58 | bbelt16ag | find . -size 0b |
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| 16:29.24 | asg | bbelt16ag: do you have any 0 byte files in or below . |
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| 16:29.43 | kuko | AIGLX screen 0 is not DRI compatable |
| 16:29.51 | kuko | But when i comment it out it complains that its not there |
| 16:29.52 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 16:29.56 | bbelt16ag | i think i figured it out.. |
| 16:29.58 | stew | bbelt16ag: to ensure that its the correct command, try this: "mkdir /tmp/a; touch /tmp/a/b ; find /tmp/a -size 0" |
| 16:29.59 | bbelt16ag | it was working |
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| 16:30.50 | kuko | any ideas stew? |
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| 16:31.07 | petemc | pickcoder: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers |
| 16:31.22 | kuko | i guess i could just try to install nvidia-glx |
| 16:31.35 | kuko | then use the nvidia package with dri and it should work =\ |
| 16:31.37 | Spliffster | hi all, if i want to install an older version of a program how would i do this (i'd preferrably use a deb instead of compiling it myself) ? |
| 16:31.39 | stew | kuko: the nv driver doesn't support aiglx, afaik |
| 16:31.47 | kuko | i didnt know i was using aiglx though lol |
| 16:31.49 | bbelt16ag | is find by default recursiver? |
| 16:31.53 | bbelt16ag | recursive |
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| 16:31.56 | asg | bbelt16ag: yes |
| 16:31.58 | kuko | i didnt really want to either im not sure what that is |
| 16:31.58 | kuko | =\ |
| 16:31.59 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 16:32.07 | stew | Spliffster: what version of debian are you running, what software? what version? |
| 16:32.19 | kuko | what would be the command to start KDE without aiglx? |
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| 16:32.28 | Spliffster | stew: i am running sarge-r4, want to install php 4.0.6 |
| 16:32.40 | stew | Spliffster: yikes |
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| 16:32.47 | stew | Spliffster: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 16:32.50 | Spliffster | stew i know ... i don't really want i have to |
| 16:33.07 | stew | kuko: can you put the exact error you are seeing into a pastebin along with your xorg.conf ? |
| 16:33.20 | kuko | uhh i dont know how with no desktop :( |
| 16:33.27 | kuko | i cant use the termianl browsers well at all |
| 16:33.35 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 16:33.50 | bbelt16ag | is there any apps out there that check mp3s and oggs if they are corrupt? |
| 16:33.51 | kuko | how would i go about starting kde without aiglx? |
| 16:34.00 | enouf | pickcoder: this may help |
| 16:34.01 | Spliffster | stew: thank you! |
| 16:34.03 | enouf | http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/linux/debian-gnulinux-on-dell-d620/ |
| 16:34.03 | stew | kuko: run "w3m http://pastebin.ca/upload.php" and upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:34.17 | enouf | pickcoder: remake the initrd |
| 16:34.29 | stew | kuko: do the same for xorg.conf |
| 16:34.29 | enouf | pickcoder: see the dvd-rom section in that link |
| 16:34.32 | CharminTheMoose | what happened? |
| 16:34.43 | kuko | one sec installing w3m |
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| 16:35.24 | stew | kuko: or, tell me of "grep -i aiglx /etc/X11/xorg.conf" returns any matches |
| 16:35.24 | asg | CharminTheMoose: look at your aliases, see if one has reconfigured ls (i.e., alias ls=ls --with-some-lame-param) |
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| 16:35.48 | earthian | helo |
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| 16:36.09 | asg | 220 helo erthian, pleased to meet you |
| 16:36.13 | earthian | does anybody know what is vlc player channel? if it is in this server..? |
| 16:36.17 | kuko | stew no it doenst =\ |
| 16:36.21 | CharminTheMoose | asg: just ls='ls --colour=auto' which is the norm |
| 16:36.45 | CharminTheMoose | or maybe i'm just being a tool |
| 16:36.47 | asg | CharminTheMoose: well, now check if ls is actually a binary and not some shell script wrapper. Verify the md5sum also |
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| 16:37.09 | CharminTheMoose | oh right |
| 16:37.09 | stew | CharminTheMoose: you ahve a file which is longer than half the width of your eterminal |
| 16:37.12 | CharminTheMoose | that's the problem |
| 16:37.22 | earthian | colors for ls can be defined somewhere in alliases |
| 16:37.22 | kuko | stew theres no output on that grep command |
| 16:37.42 | earthian | aliases* |
| 16:37.43 | kuko | But i commented out glx and now im not getting any error that its showing me but it still isnt starting =\ |
| 16:37.50 | pickcoder | petemc: thanks I'll try it |
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| 16:39.06 | earthian | anyway... i am here with a vlc problem: it does not show video for the 1st 9 seconds... why? sound is playing everything is like ok except the video does not start. I have a dual opteron workstation so system resources should not be a problem tho |
| 16:39.13 | kuko | all it says is waiting for xserver to shutdown free font path |
| 16:39.33 | kuko | then it says refcount is 2 should be 1; fixing |
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| 16:39.47 | stew | kuko: if you could just post the log, it would be much better |
| 16:39.54 | kuko | okay command one more time plz |
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| 16:40.02 | PZ | OpenOffice.org 2.1 Is Here |
| 16:40.07 | kuko | i just got w3m installed and i cant scroll up because keyboard it being a pain |
| 16:40.08 | kuko | lol |
| 16:40.18 | PZ | - Automatic notification of updates |
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| 16:40.30 | kombi__ | anyone know wether an RTL8201 NIC is supported? |
| 16:40.32 | PZ | easy to think as a story like firefox |
| 16:41.03 | kuko | stew |
| 16:41.09 | stew | kuko |
| 16:41.11 | kuko | could i have that command one more time? |
| 16:41.21 | kuko | the w3m one |
| 16:41.34 | stew | w3m http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 16:41.53 | enouf | kuko: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
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| 16:42.42 | kuko | umm when i click on the upload thing it says opening socket then does nothing =\ |
| 16:42.43 | thepianoguy | will sun java be included in Debian now that it's GPL? |
| 16:42.54 | kuko | ugg what a pain |
| 16:42.54 | stew | thepianoguy: no, its still non-free |
| 16:43.25 | stew | thepianoguy: not much of it is actually gpl, not enough to make it usable on its own |
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| 16:43.36 | thepianoguy | really?? |
| 16:43.58 | stew | thepianoguy: yes. they only opened the compiler, not the entire runtime, and none of the class libraries are open yet |
| 16:43.59 | kuko | stew would you be willing to join another room and i could just run like cat then the log n you could see it there? |
| 16:44.02 | enouf | kuko : try the instructs using curl if pasting issues persist .. see /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:44.08 | stew | thepianoguy: the rest is supposed to be opened over time |
| 16:44.48 | stew | kuko: it would take a long time, what is wrong with w3m? |
| 16:44.57 | kuko | it doesnt want to open the upload thing |
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| 16:45.03 | kuko | it just says opening socet then does nothing =\ |
| 16:45.19 | kuko | when i press the upload thing |
| 16:45.20 | thepianoguy | hm... what was opened and what wasn't |
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| 16:45.40 | thepianoguy | obviously "Sun opened J2SE, J2ME, J2EE" doesn't include jvm? |
| 16:45.45 | JamieCope | incredible, i already had the SUN Java installed and i didnt even know it |
| 16:46.06 | Malagmyr | What's the easiest way to get my external ip, in a format that can easily be used in a script? I know I can get it with ping and such, but that outputs so much more, which I must discard. |
| 16:46.12 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've a typhoon webcam (0c45:612c) is possible to make it work ? |
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| 16:46.54 | stew | thepianoguy: the classlibraries are not included |
| 16:47.16 | kuko | stew wheres the log at? |
| 16:47.16 | asg | Malagmyr: that's why there are tools like sed, awk, and grep and pipelines for combining them. |
| 16:47.24 | kuko | /var/log/xorg.log? |
| 16:47.45 | stew | !myip |
| 16:47.45 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
| 16:47.55 | stew | kuko: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:48.05 | dooglus | Malagmyr: run this: wget -qO- http://marp.retrogames.com/cgi/myip.cgi |
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| 16:48.37 | thepianoguy | doesn't jdk include classlibraries? |
| 16:48.40 | JamieCope | stew, the applications now works perfectly with the SUN Java. Thanks a bunch |
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| 16:49.25 | JoelR | One question, when i install samba it launchs "dpkg-reconfigure" and asks me some stuff.. after that it initiates samba (/etc/init.d/samba start), is there a way i could avoid that? |
| 16:49.33 | kuko | stew im at the part where it lets me upload. If i press / is opens a "forward" thing at the bottom |
| 16:49.40 | kuko | How do i put it in that field? |
| 16:49.43 | tarzeau | is it okay for iopl() to wait several seconds, or a minute until it does something? |
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| 16:50.07 | stew | kuko: hit esc to quit the "forward" search. then hit enter to edit the field you are trying to type / into |
| 16:50.37 | kuko | okay it should be up |
| 16:50.53 | JamieCope | i suppose there is no Debian package for Eclipse though |
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| 16:51.19 | stew | kuko: did you hit the upload button? |
| 16:51.25 | stew | JamieCope: tehere is |
| 16:51.27 | kuko | yep |
| 16:51.36 | stew | kuko: what was the resulting url? |
| 16:51.44 | kuko | didnt give me one =\ |
| 16:52.31 | kuko | okay try now? |
| 16:52.52 | JamieCope | stew, apt-cache search eclipse shows only some additional packages. should i add something else at sources.list? |
| 16:52.57 | kuko | yeah go to newist i forgot to hit submit after upload |
| 16:53.04 | smacnay | I am using abcde for cd ripping/encoding and cannot seem to get the chance to edit track names... I use 'abcde -n' but bypass the blank track names. Anyone know the settings to allow this? |
| 16:53.11 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've a typhoon webcam (0c45:612c) is possible to make it work ? |
| 16:53.45 | kuko | get that stew? |
| 16:54.01 | stew | !info eclipse testing |
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| 16:54.14 | stew | kuko: yes, i don't see any errors in there, it looks like it starts normally |
| 16:54.18 | kuko | =\ |
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| 16:54.23 | kuko | it doesnt though |
| 16:54.25 | JamieCope | !info eclipse testing |
| 16:54.43 | stew | JamieCope: looks like it was removed from testing |
| 16:54.51 | kuko | It just stops =\ |
| 16:54.53 | stew | JamieCope: /msg dpkg why is eclipse not in testing |
| 16:55.10 | stew | JamieCope: although since testing is frozen, i guess it probably missed the release |
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| 16:55.32 | Fokker680 | I'm sorry to ask again but, is there anyway to homehow bypass the MTA bootup proccess? |
| 16:55.33 | stew | kuko: do you have either an ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc? |
| 16:55.45 | petemc | Fokker680: update-rc.d -f exim4 remove |
| 16:55.51 | asg | Fokker680: boot into single user mode, remove the mta's rc.d links |
| 16:55.56 | stew | Fokker680: hit ctrl-c |
| 16:56.04 | kuko | i have a xinitrc and its empty... |
| 16:56.05 | kuko | doh |
| 16:56.21 | Fokker680 | stew: are you sure Ctrl+C will bypass the MTA startup on bootup? |
| 16:56.36 | JamieCope | !info eclipse unstable |
| 16:56.40 | petemc | debian has an interactive boot, so yes |
| 16:56.41 | dpkg | eclipse: (Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.2.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 121 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 16:56.46 | stew | Fokker680: works for me |
| 16:56.49 | Fokker680 | asg: And how is that going to affect my system? |
| 16:56.50 | Fokker680 | i mean |
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| 16:57.04 | Fokker680 | what happens if i remove MTA all together |
| 16:57.13 | kuko | lmao stew thanks man |
| 16:57.17 | asg | Fokker680: don't do that. Many subsystems communicate via email |
| 16:57.18 | petemc | Fokker680: as you were told earlier, debian needs a mta |
| 16:57.20 | kuko | -_- i cant beleive i didnt see that |
| 16:57.21 | stew | Fokker680: you don't want to do that, it would take a lot of packages with it |
| 16:57.23 | kuko | but it works |
| 16:57.30 | asg | Fokker680: if you don't need a full mta, install nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 16:57.36 | Fokker680 | i understand |
| 16:57.39 | kuko | Thanks a tun i gotta reboot with the new kenrel though so i will see you in a minuit :) |
| 16:57.49 | Fokker680 | what are the advantages of having mta instead of nullmailer/ssmtp? |
| 16:57.59 | stew | Fokker680: if your mta is taking a long time to start at boot, you likely have a problem with DNS resolution |
| 16:58.19 | stew | Fokker680: the ability to receive mail |
| 16:58.21 | Fokker680 | stew: the problem is that it boots just fine when i use the 2.4 kernel |
| 16:58.40 | Fokker680 | but it doesn't when i use the 2.6 kernel |
| 16:58.41 | stew | Fokker680: it sounds like you have a problem with DNS resolution when you are booting a non 2.4 kernel |
| 16:58.57 | Fokker680 | stew: so MTA handles internal incoming and outgoing mails? |
| 16:59.09 | Fokker680 | i understand |
| 16:59.20 | Fokker680 | how can i check or fix that? |
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| 16:59.35 | Fokker680 | should i bypass it and see if i can resolve hosts? |
| 16:59.35 | stew | Fokker680: are you running the 2.6 kernel now? |
| 16:59.37 | JamieCope | stew, so my only option is to download Eclipse from their website? |
| 16:59.38 | Fokker680 | no |
| 16:59.39 | Fokker680 | 2.4 |
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| 17:00.14 | Fokker680 | the problem is that the server has two dual xeons of 3.4 Ghz each |
| 17:00.16 | stew | JamieCope: or install it from unstable |
| 17:00.22 | Fokker680 | and somehow, i selected the wrong kernel |
| 17:00.34 | Fokker680 | and i need it to use the 2.6.8-3-smp |
| 17:00.40 | Fokker680 | to support dual proccessors. |
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| 17:00.58 | Fokker680 | right now the server has 1500 users on our forum |
| 17:01.13 | Fokker680 | and it's running with only one proccessor |
| 17:01.20 | Fokker680 | so it's awfully slow |
| 17:01.55 | Triona | Should I *really* be having failures running migrate_all_online.sh on a freshly installed etch system -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/4789 |
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| 17:03.13 | quintin | I want to add 500g of redundant storage to a PII 350mhz server |
| 17:03.17 | quintin | what should I do? :P |
| 17:03.56 | asg | quintin: build another box with lots of RAIDed filesystems, mount filesystems over smbfs or nfs |
| 17:03.59 | pickcoder | Fokker680: at what point is the boot stalling? |
| 17:04.09 | Fokker680 | pickcoder: on "Starting MTA" |
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| 17:04.31 | petemc | Fokker680: it should time out eventually |
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| 17:04.56 | Fokker680 | well..how can i change the timeout then? |
| 17:04.59 | stew | Fokker680: hit ctrl-c |
| 17:05.06 | stew | Fokker680: you can't change the timeout |
| 17:05.10 | Fokker680 | i don't want to travel 10 miles each time that the server needs a reboot |
| 17:05.18 | stew | Fokker680: after it boots we'll fix your dns |
| 17:05.23 | Fokker680 | (The server is located at a datacenter) |
| 17:05.30 | asg | Triona: out of curiosity, is /tmp large enough to hold the exported LDIF? |
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| 17:06.34 | pickcoder | Fokker680: fix your resolv.conf |
| 17:06.53 | pickcoder | Fokker680: put your hostname in /etc/hosts first, though, with your real IP |
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| 17:07.05 | Fokker680 | not the network ip but the real ip right? |
| 17:07.06 | JoelR | where can i define $PATH for the entire system? |
| 17:07.07 | quintin | asg: I rather just have 1 server. |
| 17:07.09 | stew | i'm guessing eth0 and eth1 are flipped in 2.6 or something |
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| 17:07.25 | Triona | asg: |
| 17:07.25 | Triona | sandstorm:/usr/share/migrationtools# df -h |
| 17:07.25 | Triona | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 17:07.25 | Triona | rootfs 5.0G 490M 4.2G 11% / |
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| 17:07.26 | stew | JoelR: /etc/profile |
| 17:07.28 | pickcoder | Fokker680: unless you are serving local DNS, yes.. put the LAN IP in with your box's hostname |
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| 17:07.40 | stew | dpkg: tell Triona about flood |
| 17:07.45 | Triona | bah, that was < 4 lines. |
| 17:07.47 | petemc | ive found ifplugd can help with problems like Fokker680 |
| 17:07.49 | Fokker680 | i'm editing resolve.conf right now. |
| 17:07.53 | asg | quintin: then buy a raid card and big drives. |
| 17:08.04 | pickcoder | Fokker680: postfix is trying to resolve your box's name which isn't in DNS.. so it needs to be in hosts |
| 17:08.05 | asg | Triona: the 'asg:' counted as one ;) |
| 17:08.07 | quintin | asg: hum |
| 17:08.18 | stew | Fokker680: i don't think its your resolv.conf or else 2.4 wouldn't be working |
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| 17:08.30 | pickcoder | stew: unless "search hostname" is missing |
| 17:08.31 | quintin | asg: I was thinking maybe sata controller and 2 big drives .. at first I was thinking 2 500gb usb2 drives... but I think usb has more latency |
| 17:08.34 | Fokker680 | this is what i have under hosts |
| 17:08.36 | pickcoder | hostname = hostname of the box |
| 17:08.38 | Fokker680 | pickcoder: nono, it's there. |
| 17:08.43 | pickcoder | ok |
| 17:08.46 | pickcoder | you're fine then |
| 17:08.57 | JoelR | stew: i have a problem, when i do echo $PATH it only shows me: /bin:/usr/bin |
| 17:08.57 | JoelR | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:09.03 | Fokker680 | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 17:09.03 | Fokker680 | 192.168.10.122 webserver |
| 17:09.11 | Fokker680 | this are the two first lines of hosts |
| 17:09.16 | stew | Fokker680: can you "ping 72.14.207.99" ? |
| 17:09.21 | Triona | asg: I'm trying this in a non-production enviroment right now, so its pretty much just a base system and the ldap packages |
| 17:09.23 | Fokker680 | let's see. |
| 17:09.26 | stew | Fokker680: can you ping your gateway? |
| 17:09.28 | asg | quintin: well, 2 drives will only give you RAID 1. If you want RAID 5, you'll need at least 3 |
| 17:09.43 | stew | Fokker680: does this machine have more than one ethernet card? if so, eth0 and eth1 could be switched in 2.6 |
| 17:09.51 | Fokker680 | stew: i can reach 72.14.207.99 |
| 17:09.53 | Fokker680 | and.. |
| 17:09.56 | pickcoder | stew: gotta love hotplug.... |
| 17:09.56 | asg | Triona: oh, okay, just checking. |
| 17:10.08 | Fokker680 | stew: uhm.. |
| 17:10.12 | Fokker680 | good suggestion. |
| 17:10.18 | stew | Fokker680: can you ping your nameserver? |
| 17:10.26 | Fokker680 | i should be able to ping it |
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| 17:10.28 | Fokker680 | lemme try |
| 17:10.29 | stew | Fokker680: can you "ping googel.com"? |
| 17:10.41 | Fokker680 | stew: yes |
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| 17:10.46 | Fokker680 | but i'm running 2.4 now |
| 17:10.49 | droolubuntu | how do i know if my processor is celeron1 or celeron2? |
| 17:10.56 | Fokker680 | the problem only happens with 2.6 |
| 17:11.00 | quintin | asg: I'm not sure if I'm even doing raid. backups is surely needed.. raid is a maybe |
| 17:11.04 | pickcoder | stew: the problem isn't DNS itself, its the fact that the MTA can't resolve the machine's hostname |
| 17:11.14 | stew | Fokker680: you do, in fact have 2 eth cards? |
| 17:11.18 | Fokker680 | yes. |
| 17:11.20 | pickcoder | webserver != FQDN |
| 17:11.21 | droolubuntu | can etch manage to be out before 2007? |
| 17:11.26 | droolubuntu | how do i know if my processor is celeron1 or celeron2? |
| 17:11.34 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 17:11.39 | asg | quintin: you said you wanted redundancy, RAID (hardware or software) is pretty much a given in that case. |
| 17:11.43 | stew | droolubuntu: maybe |
| 17:11.45 | quintin | droolubuntu: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:11.45 | Fokker680 | stew: yes, i have to eth cards. |
| 17:11.52 | Fokker680 | *two |
| 17:11.53 | stew | Fokker680: do you know which cards you have? and which drivers they use? |
| 17:12.01 | Fokker680 | no idea |
| 17:12.07 | Fokker680 | let's see. |
| 17:12.08 | quintin | asg: shrug. daily rsync would be fine to for the application I'm looking at.. |
| 17:12.12 | Fokker680 | (it's a brand new server) |
| 17:12.21 | quintin | what is the biggest hard drive my PII is likely to support? 92 or whatever? |
| 17:12.21 | asg | quintin: then use that; your server, your choice |
| 17:12.29 | Malagmyr | Is there a program that will return just the IP of a given address, like microsoft.com? |
| 17:12.40 | stew | Fokker680: what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" say? |
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| 17:12.41 | quintin | Malagmyr: ping |
| 17:12.42 | asg | Malagmyr: host |
| 17:12.59 | asg | Malagmyr: you'll still need some post-processing to get *just* the ip. |
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| 17:13.18 | Fokker680 | localhost:/etc# lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 17:13.19 | Fokker680 | 8086:1079 |
| 17:13.25 | stew | hrm |
| 17:13.33 | stew | if they are both the same driver then they shouldn't be switching |
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| 17:14.25 | Malagmyr | asg: i'll work it out. thanks |
| 17:14.26 | stew | Fokker680: when you boot 2.6 does your networking work at all? |
| 17:14.34 | Fokker680 | stew: i have no idea. |
| 17:14.42 | droolubuntu | quintin, it tells me that i hav Intel Celeron 2.40 GHz...model 2...is it celeron 2 then??? |
| 17:14.42 | stew | oh |
| 17:14.45 | Fokker680 | like i said before, the server is located at 10 miles from my location |
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| 17:15.00 | stew | Fokker680: but you have console access, right? |
| 17:15.06 | quintin | droolubuntu: better question... why does it matter? :) |
| 17:15.11 | Fokker680 | i'll do the trip, but i need to know how to solve it first |
| 17:15.14 | Fokker680 | stew: yes. |
| 17:15.24 | stew | Fokker680: oh, wait, i figured you had remote console access |
| 17:15.36 | Fokker680 | i -have- remote console access |
| 17:15.46 | stew | Fokker680: then why do you have to do the trip? |
| 17:15.47 | Fokker680 | i'm connected thru ssh. |
| 17:16.03 | stew | that's not what i meant |
| 17:16.05 | Fokker680 | because i can't get connected when i reboot the server |
| 17:16.11 | stew | that's what I meant |
| 17:16.16 | Fokker680 | i mean |
| 17:16.26 | droolubuntu | quintin, coz i want to install swiftfox for my particular processor http://getswiftfox.com/debian.htm |
| 17:16.28 | Fokker680 | 2.6 is the default option in grub |
| 17:16.41 | Fokker680 | and if the server boots the 2.6 kernel i can't get connected |
| 17:16.50 | Fokker680 | because it stalls under "Starting MTA" |
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| 17:17.15 | quintin | droolubuntu: firefox is crap on linux. use opera. |
| 17:17.39 | cast | opera is nonfree. thus crap. use firefox |
| 17:17.41 | Eulex | firefox is at least open source |
| 17:17.41 | quintin | droolubuntu: you can of course just get the binary and try to run it. if it segfaults or whatever you're probably using the wrong arch |
| 17:17.54 | quintin | who gives a fuck? opera is plenty free, and works great |
| 17:17.55 | stew | Fokker680: make sure "e1000" is listed in /etc/modules |
| 17:18.11 | droolubuntu | quintin, :( plz i know opera is better in some ways...but i prefer FF for certain reasons.. |
| 17:18.11 | stew | quintin: its not free, if it were it would be in debian |
| 17:18.16 | Eulex | quintin, ever heard about dfsg? |
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| 17:18.20 | Fokker680 | stew: what's that for? |
| 17:18.23 | quintin | Eulex: nope |
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| 17:18.28 | Eulex | !dfsg |
| 17:18.28 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 17:18.34 | droolubuntu | !pastebin |
| 17:18.34 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 17:18.43 | quintin | which I could not care less about.. if it costs nothing, it's plenty free. |
| 17:18.47 | stew | Fokker680: your ethernet cards are intel eepro 1000s, e1000 is the driver in 2.6 that supports them |
| 17:18.53 | quintin | I'm not some FSF hippie |
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| 17:19.04 | Fokker680 | stew: i understand. Done. |
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| 17:19.11 | droolubuntu | can anyone hepl me with this plz:) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36782/ |
| 17:19.14 | stew | quintin: in this channel "free" is defined by the dfsg. |
| 17:19.19 | droolubuntu | can anyone help me with this plz:) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36782/ |
| 17:19.30 | asg | droolubuntu: #ubuntu can |
| 17:19.49 | Fokker680 | stew: Anything else? |
| 17:19.52 | Fokker680 | or that should work |
| 17:19.53 | quintin | droolubuntu: Install the pentium4 build. |
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| 17:20.13 | droolubuntu | asg, thats just my nick....ubuntu's crap in front of stable debian.. |
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| 17:20.30 | ericP | what utility checks a source package and installs all your dependencies? |
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| 17:20.40 | quintin | stew: then.. this channel is run by FSF hippies. :p |
| 17:20.41 | jovans | what is broffice? |
| 17:20.43 | stew | ericP: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 17:20.48 | jovans | openoffice? |
| 17:20.54 | cast | hmm. so in etch [amd64] how is the xserver configuration ncurses gui gone and it all does it automagically? it seems to have done it, but i need to change a few things to get it running better and that old way way would be a nicer way to do it :) |
| 17:20.58 | ericP | stew, rock (means thanks!) |
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| 17:21.02 | droolubuntu | quintin, thanx...i hpe ur sure...coz one person told me to install pentium3 build..:( |
| 17:21.05 | TheBearded1 | does debian ppc run on as/400 systems? |
| 17:21.09 | stew | ericP: paper (beats rock) |
| 17:21.19 | jovans | and what is iceape |
| 17:21.23 | jovans | mozilla? |
| 17:22.19 | Eulex | stew, scissors! |
| 17:22.19 | quintin | droolubuntu: that person is an idiot. |
| 17:22.19 | cast | s/how/now |
| 17:22.19 | droolubuntu | quintin, lol...thanks! |
| 17:22.19 | kuko | Thanks a lot stew :D im on kde ^_^ |
| 17:22.19 | jovans | can everybody help me with my iceweasel problem |
| 17:22.19 | droolubuntu | quintin, actually he was from #ubuntu!! ;) |
| 17:22.19 | kuko | and i didnt know it was possible for a desktop to be this fast =\ |
| 17:22.22 | quintin | droolubuntu: what you have is a p4 with 1/2 the level 2 cache. |
| 17:22.32 | quintin | droolubuntu: #ubuntu is morons... /join #ubuntu2 ! :) |
| 17:22.43 | stew | quintin: please drop the namecalling |
| 17:22.52 | quintin | meh |
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| 17:22.56 | stew | droolubuntu: why would you ask #ubuntu if you are running debian? |
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| 17:23.09 | Fokker680 | so that's it.. |
| 17:23.11 | Bracki | can i move a process into screen after i have started it? |
| 17:23.17 | Fokker680 | i just installed bitchx on the server |
| 17:23.23 | JordiGH | Which package contains the info docs for "shred"? I'm guessing it's a GFDLed package, eh? |
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| 17:23.25 | Fokker680 | i'll come back if i can't get it to work :P |
| 17:23.40 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.41 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 17:23.44 | Fokker680 | stew: if i don't see you again, thank you very very much. |
| 17:23.53 | JordiGH | Another BitchX user. I feel so lonely sometimes! |
| 17:23.54 | stew | Fokker680: you're welcome |
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| 17:24.05 | Fokker680 | JordiGH: ircii? |
| 17:24.14 | Fokker680 | Or XChat? |
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| 17:24.22 | JordiGH | Fokker680: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/BitchX-FAQ.html |
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| 17:24.29 | Bracki | irssi |
| 17:24.36 | blondie | JordiGH: well use a nice irc client then |
| 17:24.36 | droolubuntu | stew, coz i dont have debian sarge...n im waiting for some mag to ship with etch asap...i have slow connection n cant download debian! im in india btw.. |
| 17:24.38 | blondie | i.e. irssi |
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| 17:24.50 | blondie | no! |
| 17:24.51 | JordiGH | Well, my BitchX FAQ. |
| 17:24.54 | blondie | no! |
| 17:24.57 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 17:25.03 | Fokker680 | JordiGH: i get it know. |
| 17:25.07 | droolubuntu | stew, and coz ubuntu seems the best among other debian-derivatives..except for DSL i guess.. |
| 17:25.07 | Fokker680 | *now |
| 17:25.10 | Fokker680 | well. |
| 17:25.13 | Fokker680 | Goodbye. |
| 17:25.15 | Fokker680 | wish me luck :P |
| 17:25.18 | stew | droolubuntu: which do you run? |
| 17:25.24 | quintin | JordiGH: irssi ... |
| 17:25.34 | asg | stew: swiftfox-* doesn't appear to exist in any Debian that I have |
| 17:25.45 | JordiGH | You people are not reading my FAQ: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/BitchX-FAQ.html |
| 17:25.46 | Bracki | any screen users? |
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| 17:25.51 | stew | Bracki: many |
| 17:25.56 | asg | Bracki: yes and no, to your previous question |
| 17:25.57 | JordiGH | !anyone |
| 17:25.57 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:26.12 | Bracki | asg: how? |
| 17:26.22 | stew | !info retty |
| 17:26.26 | stew | anyone tried that yet? |
| 17:26.28 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 17:26.40 | droolubuntu | stew, currently im on dapper....as edgy has too many probs.. |
| 17:26.40 | quintin | ooh |
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| 17:26.49 | stew | droolubuntu: go away |
| 17:26.58 | asg | Bracki: you can't. |
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| 17:27.14 | droolubuntu | stew, :( |
| 17:27.16 | JordiGH | Anyways, what package has the info page for shred? |
| 17:27.34 | stew | droolubuntu: if you are a) not running debian b) going to lie about your isntalled system ; we are not going to be able to help you here |
| 17:27.42 | asg | JordiGH: info shred just pulls up the manpage in the info viewer |
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| 17:28.00 | JordiGH | asg: So there is no info page? Or is it GFDLed? |
| 17:28.14 | asg | JordiGH: man shred. That's all you get. There isn't really to much to it |
| 17:28.27 | stew | !find shred.1.gz |
| 17:28.30 | droolubuntu | stew, i never lied...i did say im currently on dapper.. |
| 17:28.34 | JordiGH | asg: So you're sure that there is no info shred. |
| 17:28.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'shred.1.gz' (6): (/usr/share/man/man1/shred.1.gz) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/share/man/pl/man1/shred.1.gz) in doc/manpages-pl ;; (/usr/share/man/ja/man1/shred.1.gz) in doc/manpages-ja ;; (/usr/share/man/de/man1/shred.1.gz) in doc/manpages-de ;; (/usr/share/man/it/man1/shred.1.gz) in doc/manpages-it ;; (/usr/share/man/fr/man1/shred.1.gz) in doc/manpages-fr-extra. |
| 17:28.56 | droolubuntu | stew, but try n understand dat its bcoz ive no other choice at the moment.. |
| 17:29.15 | JordiGH | stew: Those are the manpages. |
| 17:29.29 | DevilChaos | ok i have finished downloading some videos which are in a 700mb archive in .7z format then split into 7 files .7z.001 -007 how do i put all these back into one archive to get the videos these were downloaded from rapidshare? |
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| 17:29.30 | dendrite | droolubuntu: We don't care what you run... Just don't ask us for help with non-Debian systems. |
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| 17:29.36 | unseensoul | hi |
| 17:29.39 | stew | JordiGH: oh, i thought you were getting a undocumented(7) instead of a manpage |
| 17:29.55 | JordiGH | stew: The manpage says there is an info page. Is it lying? |
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| 17:30.16 | asg | JordiGH: if there is one, it would be in the coreutils package |
| 17:30.17 | DevilChaos | ive got the decompression software needed for the .7z files but just dont know how to put them back together |
| 17:30.17 | JordiGH | !find shred.info.gz |
| 17:30.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'shred.info.gz' returned no results. |
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| 17:30.35 | kuko | !dpkg skype |
| 17:30.38 | JordiGH | asg: It isn't. The manpage says to look at "info shred" not "info coreutils shred" |
| 17:30.44 | droolubuntu | dendrite, well ok...didnt know u'd get so firm wid all dis..aint helping ppl a good deed? |
| 17:30.47 | kuko | uhhhh how would i get dpkg to tell me about skype? |
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| 17:31.00 | blondie | !skype |
| 17:31.00 | dpkg | well, skype is a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols, or debs for skype are available with and without a static qt library from http://debian-unofficial.org, or for official debs, add "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" to sources.list. |
| 17:31.07 | asg | JordiGH: then file a bug. As far as I know, Debian doesn't have a specific info file. |
| 17:31.14 | dendrite | droolubuntu: Helping someone *wrong* is not a good deed. Ubuntu is different enough that what works with one does not work, and may break the other. |
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| 17:31.19 | JordiGH | asg: Oops, sorry, you're right. It's "info coreutils shred". |
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| 17:31.32 | JordiGH | asg: It's a bug in the shred manpage. |
| 17:31.36 | kuko | Thx :) |
| 17:31.42 | asg | JordiGH: there you go then |
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| 17:31.53 | AmGull | stew:What will happens if i add the following line in sysctl.conf -net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding = 1 |
| 17:32.27 | JordiGH | What's the name of the VoIP software that Eben Moglen uses? |
| 17:32.34 | JordiGH | Asterisc, is it? |
| 17:32.42 | raf256 | why Debian can not have stable Krusader? for over a year, every one version there was is freaking unstable when using net connections |
| 17:32.43 | stew | AmGull: what is wrong with the one you originally used? |
| 17:32.56 | stew | raf256: did you check wnpp? |
| 17:32.56 | tarzeau | raf256: #debian-kde ? |
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| 17:33.22 | tarzeau | raf256: do your own more stable krusader package? |
| 17:33.22 | stew | raf256: oh wait, debian already has krusader |
| 17:33.25 | droolubuntu | dendrite, okkkk..will keep dat in mind...thx anyways:) |
| 17:33.28 | cjkihlbom | Hi! Anyone here using catdoc? |
| 17:33.32 | tarzeau | raf256: i've been doing my own much better mplayer and lame packages for years |
| 17:33.40 | JordiGH | !info kphone |
| 17:33.41 | raf256 | tarzeau: hmm |
| 17:33.41 | cjkihlbom | or more specifically, xls2csv |
| 17:33.44 | dpkg | kphone: (Voice over IP (VoIP) phone application), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:4.2-6 (sid), Packaged size: 412 kB, Installed size: 1224 kB |
| 17:33.47 | tarzeau | cjkihlbom: i use antiword |
| 17:34.01 | raf256 | well my krusader crushes horribly when working over network |
| 17:34.01 | stew | raf256: what exactly are you asking? |
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| 17:34.01 | tarzeau | oh it's for excel sheets |
| 17:34.01 | stew | raf256: did you check the bts? |
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| 17:34.01 | raf256 | all the freaking time, for over a year |
| 17:34.06 | cjkihlbom | tarzeau: exactly |
| 17:34.09 | raf256 | stew: I am asking "god why, why oh why?!" |
| 17:34.10 | tarzeau | raf256: is the bug reported to BTS? |
| 17:34.10 | AmGull | everytime when i check with cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward the result is allways 0 |
| 17:34.19 | cjkihlbom | antiword doesn't support that, right? |
| 17:34.22 | raf256 | stew: tarzeau: I reported it gazilion times to BTS |
| 17:34.25 | tarzeau | cjkihlbom: i don't think so |
| 17:34.33 | tarzeau | raf256: then make your own package |
| 17:34.42 | tarzeau | raf256: they don't hear your gazilion bugs |
| 17:34.48 | cjkihlbom | Anyone else? |
| 17:34.54 | tarzeau | raf256: maybe it's not possible, you'll find out |
| 17:34.57 | raf256 | but I dont know what is the bug and how to fix |
| 17:35.10 | tarzeau | raf256: hire someone who knows? |
| 17:35.14 | tarzeau | raf256: or just use Windows XP? |
| 17:35.16 | stew | AmGull: have you rebooted since setting it? |
| 17:35.27 | raf256 | erm |
| 17:35.28 | tarzeau | raf256: does kubuntu also have the problem? the latest kde from source? |
| 17:35.29 | AmGull | stew:yes |
| 17:35.34 | raf256 | tarzeau: didn't checked |
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| 17:36.08 | tarzeau | raf256: do it |
| 17:36.27 | tarzeau | raf256: i've reported 3 bugs today, and one to upstream. and another one in #ocp |
| 17:36.41 | stew | AmGull: try putting "net.ipv4.ip_forward=1" and running sysctl -p |
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| 17:37.27 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Are you showing off? |
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| 17:37.37 | stew | raf256: did you check http://bugs.kde.org/ ? |
| 17:37.44 | tarzeau | JordiGH: no, i just try to get things fixed i need and care about |
| 17:37.59 | tarzeau | JordiGH: and if he reports the same thing, the same way, to the same guys, and nothing changes |
| 17:38.11 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i'm not sure if he'll ever get happy repeating so |
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| 17:38.52 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I think I should fix one of my own bug reports, since the DD in question is MIA. |
| 17:38.52 | tarzeau | JordiGH: which one? |
| 17:39.03 | JordiGH | tarzeau: The documentation for libnoise is severely fuXX0r3d. |
| 17:39.17 | jazbo2188 | So I've got my debian box hooked up to about a 50 in tv that will display in 1024x768 via a monitor cable. Problem is that when I go into fluxbox all the fonts are so tiny I can't read them. Also window bars etc are extremely tiny. What do I need to change to fix this? |
| 17:39.26 | jazbo2188 | 50 inch |
| 17:39.34 | JordiGH | tarzeau: I've got a fix already. I probably should just ask for someone to do a NMU with it. |
| 17:39.48 | tarzeau | JordiGH: did you send your patch to the bts? |
| 17:39.57 | asg | jazbo2188: make sure you have -dpi 100 in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
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| 17:40.01 | quitte | is there a debian way to make an initrd for a nfsroot system? |
| 17:40.05 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Also, the sample code should be slightly modified. #includes should point to Debian paths. |
| 17:40.17 | tarzeau | JordiGH: true |
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| 17:40.42 | jazbo2188 | asg: ah k thanks |
| 17:40.51 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Not yet. It's not really a patch. I completely regenerated the /usr/share/doc/libnoise/html tree with httrack. |
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| 17:42.44 | JordiGH | Er, I meant, /usr/share/doc/libnoise-dev/html |
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| 17:43.29 | AmGull | stew:10x finaly works now after reboot cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward say 1 |
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| 17:44.23 | JordiGH | The bug fix is probably to create a separate libnoise-doc package, since the documentation is *huge*. |
| 17:44.30 | jazbo2188 | asg: I do seem to have -dpi 100 in that file |
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| 17:44.45 | JordiGH | (Well for a Debian package. 7.1 megs of docs( |
| 17:44.46 | JordiGH | ) |
| 17:45.15 | quitte | if someone used initrd-netboot-tools when it still worked i'd like to hear how it's supposed to be used. the docs are nonexistant. |
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| 17:45.45 | asg | jazbo2188: hmmm, make sure that you have dpi 100 fonts in your X config also (and they are before the 75 dpi ones). Otherwise, verify with xdpyinfo that the display is actually 100x100 dots per inch. |
| 17:47.10 | JordiGH | Is doing, say, "shred /dev/hda" a good way to wipe my hard drive a in a spook-safe way? |
| 17:47.21 | JordiGH | Or do I really need to melt it? |
| 17:48.11 | asg | JordiGH: it does 25 passes by default; DoD level is only 3 passes so you should be fine. The feds are probably already reading your brainwaves remotely anyway. |
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| 17:49.39 | jazbo2188 | asg: Are these font size issues going to effect the size of the window bars? 'Cause the window bars also seem abnormaly small... |
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| 17:50.16 | asg | jazbo2188: in my experience, at least with fluxbox, the dpi settings affect the window bars simply because the fonts cause an increase in size. |
| 17:50.42 | jazbo2188 | asg: cool |
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| 17:51.12 | asg | jazbo2188: granted, my experience doesn't extend to 50" televisions though |
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| 17:53.44 | jazbo2188 | asg: when you mentioned "100 dpi font in your X config" were you refering to lines like "FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"" in XF86Config-4 for example? |
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| 17:57.06 | asg | jazbo2188: yes |
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| 17:58.00 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've a typhoon webcam (0c45:612c) is possible to make it work ? |
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| 17:58.53 | nearfar` | Is it possible to resize a partition (mounted as /) without shutting down the computer (which is running Linux, of course)? |
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| 17:59.42 | cast | depends on the filesystem, some can do online resizing |
| 17:59.51 | nearfar` | ext3 |
| 17:59.55 | cast | [oh, dunno about partitions] |
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| 18:00.07 | nearfar` | only one partition here. |
| 18:00.16 | cast | i have a feeling people using lvm do things like that all the time |
| 18:00.24 | nearfar` | I badly want to back my music (~ 3gb) before installing another OS. |
| 18:00.29 | nearfar` | backup* |
| 18:00.49 | cast | eh, wouldn't you want to back it up to another drive? |
| 18:01.08 | nearfar` | cast: I only have one hard disk, with single partition in it. I run Ubuntu now. |
| 18:01.15 | nearfar` | I want to switch to debian. |
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| 18:02.34 | Eulex | !debtakeover |
| 18:02.34 | dpkg | from memory, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 18:02.56 | quitte | tarzeau made something like debtakover, but specific for ubunu |
| 18:03.22 | JordiGH | Ooh, a convert. |
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| 18:03.29 | JordiGH | nearfar`: Step into the light, brother! |
| 18:03.39 | nearfar` | Thanks. I will check it out. |
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| 18:04.25 | quitte | tarzeau: are you there? whats the debtakeover for the distribution you have on ignore? |
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| 18:04.34 | Phil2 | anyone have any idea how to stop Etch clearing /etc/motd on boot? |
| 18:04.38 | littleboy | sasa@marvin:~$ curl -I packages.debian.org |
| 18:04.40 | JordiGH | nearfar`: For backing up purposes, if you really have no other place, I guess you can repartition your hard drive, put the music there, install Debian on the free space after you delete the old partition, move your music to the Debian partition, and repartition again. Whew! |
| 18:04.40 | littleboy | curl: (7) Connect failed; Operation now in progress |
| 18:04.42 | littleboy | sasa@marvin:~$ |
| 18:04.47 | littleboy | server is not reapsonding. |
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| 18:05.36 | cydork | quitte: are you talking about this http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
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| 18:06.01 | quitte | cydork: right |
| 18:06.11 | quitte | nearfar`: ^^ |
| 18:06.56 | cydork | Phil2: edit motd.tail |
| 18:07.03 | stew | nearfar`: i strongly discourage you from running that sript |
| 18:07.19 | stew | quitte: do you really think that encouraging someone to switch from ubuntu to sid is a good idea? |
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| 18:07.30 | sashi | logout |
| 18:07.36 | nearfar` | JordiGH: How do I repartition the hard drive without losing my music? |
| 18:07.42 | nearfar` | stew: oh |
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| 18:08.26 | JordiGH | nearfar`: You'll need a livecd for maximum comfort. Knoppix or Kanotix. |
| 18:08.36 | nearfar` | oh boy. that's a silly script. |
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| 18:08.55 | cydork | nearfar`: you use a etch installer to resize the partitions too i guess. |
| 18:08.59 | nearfar` | JordiGH: oh. then it should take another 6,7 hrs for me to download the livecd. :/ |
| 18:09.02 | cast | not that it's the question...but you should really think about another hard drive or *anything* to backup to. my 250GB drive with ~/ died on it at the start of this month :( |
| 18:09.07 | quitte | stew: i didnt know it was sid. i assumed tarzeau would have used etch. but the telnet command gives me a connection refused anyways. so it wouldnt have worked |
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| 18:09.27 | Phil2 | ah cydork |
| 18:10.00 | stew | quitte: if you don't know what it does, you probably shouldnt' be blidnly recommending it |
| 18:10.16 | JordiGH | nearfar`: In my country, we have a saying: "si quieres azul celeste, que te cueste." If you want skyblue, it'll cost you. Alternatively, you could download minimal boot floppies for repartitioning and moving data around, provided that you're cool with doing these operations from a shell prompt. |
| 18:10.17 | stew | quitte: and you'll never see tarzeau recommend anyone ever run testing |
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| 18:10.41 | Phil2 | any ideas what I edited a while ago to (I though) stop it doing that, when infact it just stopped it reloading the contents of /etc/motd.tail to it? |
| 18:10.57 | littleboy | hey |
| 18:11.06 | littleboy | how can i stop apt-get |
| 18:11.11 | quitte | stew heh. i dont recall him recommending him anything but popcon |
| 18:11.12 | JordiGH | nearfar`: I'm going to google around. There ought to be a minimal livecd out there that's useful for repartitioning stuff. |
| 18:11.18 | nearfar` | JordiGH: hmm.. I know that, repartitioning is something that I fear of losing the data. |
| 18:11.20 | JordiGH | littleboy: ctrl-c. Why do you want to do that? |
| 18:11.21 | littleboy | to download some files... which he can't download because of some serious package depend problems |
| 18:11.26 | littleboy | no not that |
| 18:11.37 | littleboy | few months ago i tryed to upgrade to xorg |
| 18:11.38 | stew | and actually it says "sid" right at the top of the script |
| 18:11.42 | cydork | Phil2: huh? i didn't get you. |
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| 18:11.45 | littleboy | and it broke... dependencies |
| 18:11.52 | littleboy | now i can't install anything else |
| 18:11.59 | littleboy | it still tryes to install xorg |
| 18:12.03 | nearfar` | there is gparted livecd, I think. JordiGH |
| 18:12.05 | littleboy | i tryed apt-get -f install |
| 18:12.06 | JordiGH | littleboy: I think that the best way to handle apt conflicts is to use aptitude and learn how to use its conflict resolution scheme. It'll take some reading, unfortunately. :-/ |
| 18:12.06 | quitte | stew. okok. ill sit in the corner |
| 18:12.08 | littleboy | but that don;t work |
| 18:12.12 | Phil2 | nevermind, found it. I commented out the 2 lines in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 18:12.32 | JordiGH | littleboy: It's relatively unwise to try to override apt. |
| 18:13.30 | littleboy | heh, never mind ... anyway in a few days i'll install latest debian. since this one is old few years. |
| 18:13.31 | nearfar` | JordiGH: I am going to try out this http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 18:13.55 | littleboy | for now, i'll download and install dia (the program i need) on other box, and export display to my. |
| 18:14.06 | littleboy | box. |
| 18:14.19 | JordiGH | nearfar`: ooh, that looks good. gparted is nice. I likes it. :-) |
| 18:14.28 | nearfar` | just 30mb |
| 18:14.36 | nearfar` | and it has X11! |
| 18:14.49 | Eulex | littleboy, why are you trying to install xorg on woody or sarge or whatever you've got there? |
| 18:15.12 | JordiGH | nearfar`: You should consider having a full-blown livecd sometime. Download it during a rainy day. They're massively useful things. |
| 18:15.22 | littleboy | Eulex, this is some unstable/testing dist i installed few years ago. |
| 18:15.27 | nearfar` | JordiGH: yes, should do. |
| 18:15.34 | littleboy | don't remember. i tryed to do that half a year ago. |
| 18:15.51 | nearfar` | I have iPod, but it died a couple of days back. otherwise, I could have used it for backup. |
| 18:16.00 | Eulex | littleboy, ok. then you'll have to run a dist-upgrade before installing *anything* |
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| 18:17.14 | littleboy | Eulex, well .. the system is pretty much broken ... i did dist-upgrade before trying xorg install... dist-upgrade went fine, however xorg broke... but never mind. |
| 18:18.04 | stew | littleboy: show us the actual errors |
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| 18:18.25 | stew | littleboy: we need something more sepecific than "xorg broke" |
| 18:19.30 | tuv | aptitude update finishes like: Fetched 7534kB in 33s (224kB/s) \n Segmentation faultsts... 0%. what could cause this? |
| 18:19.30 | cusco | like: grep "(EE)" /var/log/X.*log |
| 18:19.52 | zinx_ | !ops ReaL!n=Miss_Dur@88.242.33.230 is the onjoin free porno bot again |
| 18:19.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx_ complains about: ReaL!n=Miss_Dur@88.242.33.230 is the onjoin free porno bot again |
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| 18:20.17 | JordiGH | tuv: Crap. That's an aptitude bug. :-( |
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| 18:20.29 | rgsteele | Hm, what's the preferred place for user-written scripts that are intended to be invoked by, say, a cron job? /usr/local/sbin or /usr/sbin? |
| 18:20.36 | cydork | tuv: strace it |
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| 18:20.57 | stew | rgsteele: are they ever to be executed by a user? by root? |
| 18:21.21 | tuv | JordiGH, the same happens with apt-get update |
| 18:21.31 | RichiH | arr |
| 18:21.33 | rgsteele | stew: They're actually going to be calling some Amanda binaries |
| 18:21.42 | rgsteele | stew: But, cron will invoke them. |
| 18:21.45 | JordiGH | rgsteele: I prefer to be reserve /usr/local for files outside of the Debiang dpkg system. |
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| 18:22.10 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i've a typhoon webcam (0c45:612c) is possible to make it work ? |
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| 18:22.53 | aronofsky | Hi , I just installed debian sarge rc4 and when I want dis-upgrade to testing, it wants to remove kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386 ( the current kernel In use ) ... can anyone tell me why ? |
| 18:23.06 | stew | rgsteele: /usr/local/sbin |
| 18:23.20 | rgsteele | stew: I thought as much, but thanks for the confirmation |
| 18:24.04 | Phil2 | it'll be upgrading it to the latest image aronofsky |
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| 18:24.19 | tuv | cydork, last 3 lines of the strace: stat64("/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=19565554, ...}) = 0 |
| 18:24.19 | tuv | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 18:24.19 | tuv | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 18:24.21 | Phil2 | which, as of yesterday, is 2.6.18 |
| 18:24.38 | stew | aronofsky: are you using apt-get or aptitude? |
| 18:24.38 | aronofsky | Phil2, no actually it wont, its only removing it without installing any other kernel |
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| 18:24.44 | Phil2 | :S |
| 18:24.47 | Phil2 | it shouldn't be |
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| 18:25.48 | aronofsky | Phil2, thats why I ask the question actually ... |
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| 18:26.11 | stew | aronofsky: one of the kernel-image's dependencies are being removed, probably initrd-tools or modutils |
| 18:26.11 | cydork | tuv: bad file i guess |
| 18:26.34 | Vorbote | aronofsky: that would be because package names have changed. |
| 18:26.55 | stew | Vorbote: which package? |
| 18:27.00 | aronofsky | Vorbote, what do you mean ? |
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| 18:27.15 | tuv | cydork, i doesn't look like it has to do with the mirror, as there are many similar lines all over the strace.. i think it's something after that that is not shown |
| 18:27.23 | tuv | *it doesn't |
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| 18:27.51 | aronofsky | Stew, yeah actually initrd-toos is to be removed too .. i dont get why neither ... |
| 18:28.01 | stew | aronofsky: that is why then |
| 18:28.03 | stew | aronofsky: you can try putting your kenrel-image on hold: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:28.20 | cydork | tuv: i dont think so. this has happened before with someone too.. |
| 18:29.02 | aronofsky | Stew,yeah I know but id like to understanf whats wrong here ... |
| 18:29.13 | stew | aronofsky: nothing is wrong |
| 18:29.18 | tuv | cydork, hmm.. so could it be the mirror? i commented out the mirror that used to appear last and now i have m.k.o showing. either both are infected or none |
| 18:29.41 | aronofsky | Stew, then why does it try to remove those package ? |
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| 18:29.55 | tuv | cydork, i mean is it possible that these two mirrors are bad and there exists good ones? |
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| 18:30.19 | stew | !conflicts libc6 |
| 18:30.23 | dpkg | libc6: strace (<< 4.0-0), libnss-db (<= 2.2-6.1.1), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-doc, libc5 (<< 5.4.33-7), libpthread0 (<< 0.7-10), libc6-bin, libwcsmbs, apt (<< 0.3.0), libglib1.2 (<< 1.2.1-2), netkit-rpc, wine (<< 0.0.20031118-1), cyrus-imapd (<< 1.5.19-15), e2fsprogs (<< 1.35-7), initrd-tools (<< 0.1.84.1), libterm-readline-gnu-perl (<< 1.15-2) |
| 18:30.27 | cydork | tuv: i guess it's possible.. try another mirror :P |
| 18:30.38 | stew | aronofsky: what version of initrd-tools is currently installed? |
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| 18:31.16 | aronofsky | Stew, 0.1.81.1 |
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| 18:31.50 | stew | aronofsky: right, and so the newer libc6 conflicts with that one, so its being removed. since your kernel-image depends on initrd-tools, it gets removed too |
| 18:31.53 | ks | what about mysql support for debian being dropped ? |
| 18:31.54 | Vorbote | aronofsky: previously debian linux packages went by the moniker kernel-blah-architecnture. On the way to 4.0 the kernel packages changed names to linux-image-architechture. Furthermore, 2.6 kernels requires a different userspace support suite (iniramfs, udev, the works). |
| 18:32.16 | stew | aronofsky: are you using apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 18:32.24 | aronofsky | Stew, aptitude |
| 18:32.38 | stew | aronofsky: try upgrading initrd-tools which should satisfy the conflicts |
| 18:32.39 | cydork | ks: huh? where did you hear that? |
| 18:32.52 | stew | ks: ask them |
| 18:32.55 | stew | cydork: from mysql.com |
| 18:33.28 | Vorbote | aronofsky: sooo, you'll need to help the upgrade process by hand a bit. |
| 18:33.49 | aronofsky | Vorbote, how ? |
| 18:33.50 | stew | cydork: oh, i dunno if there is somehting on the site. but what I mean is that the company that writes mysql is no longer supporting debian |
| 18:33.53 | JordiGH | Ooh, aptitude conflict resolution. |
| 18:34.32 | stew | aronofsky: if you are using the frontend, you could likely hit , to cycle though other wasy s of resolving the dependency |
| 18:34.38 | cydork | stew: oh ok.. i wonder why? |
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| 18:35.42 | naitram | how would i update my kontact to a newer version, im using sarge but apt-get install will only get me the older versions, i need newer versions |
| 18:35.47 | Vorbote | aronofsky: install the linux-image for your archivtechture and then run the dist-upgrade. You'll have to clean up a bit by hand afterwards. |
| 18:36.35 | aronofsky | Vorbote, Ok thx, just to know, what do you mean 'clean up a bit' ? |
| 18:36.38 | JordiGH | aronofsky: You can help the conflict resolution mechanism. Instead of cycling through the hundreds of solutions it generates for complex problems, you can tell it stuff like "this package definitely needs to get installed" and "this one doesn't." and so on. |
| 18:36.49 | stew | naitram: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 18:37.10 | ks | cydork, stew that's why i'm here :) |
| 18:37.29 | ks | just need to know from first hands |
| 18:37.48 | stew | ks: we will continue to support mysql on debian |
| 18:38.17 | Vorbote | aronofsky: there may be some loose pieces of the 2.4 support apps (devfsd, whatever) still around afterwads. In fact, if you weren't already commited, I'd upgrade the kernel to 2.6 first; make sure that it is working OK and then do the upgrade from stable to testing. |
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| 18:39.18 | aronofsky | Stew, actually i just checked and there is no newer version of initrd-tools on testing ? |
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| 18:39.30 | stew | !info initrd-tools testing |
| 18:39.33 | dpkg | initrd-tools: (tools to create initrd image for prepackaged Linux kernel), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.1.84.1 (etch), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
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| 18:40.17 | ks | stew ok good to know |
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| 18:42.01 | Vorbote | initrd was relevant up to linux 2.6.15 or so. initramfs-tools is the supported initrd building method for later kernels |
| 18:42.25 | Vorbote | At least I read that in LKML at the beginning of this year. |
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| 18:42.38 | wathek | hello all |
| 18:42.38 | backtick_ | hi all.. how do i set network interface parameters in /etc/network/interfaces? i want to set media=1 for eth0 |
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| 18:44.01 | kuko | Question. Im trying to get debian-multimedia.org working in my repos and it says i need the public key. What would be the command to get that? |
| 18:44.03 | stew | Vorbote: he wan'ts initrd-tools because his kernel-image-2.4.27-2 depends on initrd-tools |
| 18:44.15 | stew | kuko: /msg dpkg marillat key |
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| 18:44.40 | sanity_ | hello, 1.0-9629 .run script compil with success my /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 but whan i launch startx the screen freeze |
| 18:44.51 | Vorbote | stew: exactly. If trying to upgrade to testing, it will be removed because the default is to install a 2.6 kernel. |
| 18:45.01 | stew | aboyz: cp -p |
| 18:45.15 | stew | Vorbote: no, it won't necessarily be removed, and the default is not to install a 2.6 kenrel |
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| 18:45.38 | sanity_ | nvidia channel don't reply |
| 18:46.06 | kuko | Is the nvidia driver gone? |
| 18:46.07 | Vorbote | stew: for testing, yes. |
| 18:46.08 | kuko | =\ |
| 18:46.31 | stew | Vorbote: what would cause a dist-upgrade to install a 2.6 kernel by default? |
| 18:46.41 | stew | Vorbote: there is some "default"? |
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| 18:48.08 | kuko | stew is there a repo with the nvidia-glx driver? |
| 18:48.33 | stew | !info nvidia-glx testing |
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| 18:48.52 | kuko | !info nvidia-glx testing |
| 18:48.54 | stew | !info nvidia-glx unstable |
| 18:48.55 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 18:48.57 | Vorbote | stew: the problem is that aptitude is far too smart for its own good and resolves dependencies aggresively. There's your answer. On defaults, that's a matter of the installer. The Etch installer will use 2.6.18 in rc2. |
| 18:49.11 | stew | Vorbote: this has nothing to do with the etch installer |
| 18:49.32 | kuko | stew why is it experimental? =\ |
| 18:49.34 | kuko | Is it that broken? lol |
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| 18:49.35 | PDani | hi |
| 18:49.40 | cusco | hello |
| 18:49.59 | PDani | how can i check that which process uses a specified port? |
| 18:50.02 | stew | Vorbote: and nothing in aptitude's agressive dependency resolution that would cause a 2.6 kernel to be installed in his case |
| 18:50.05 | Vorbote | stew: Have you tried to dist-upgrade a system, like this week? |
| 18:50.10 | stew | PDani: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 18:50.12 | stew | Vorbote: yes |
| 18:50.46 | stew | Vorbote: and i can guarantee that nothing is going to make aptitude randomly decide to isntall a linux-image-2.6-foo package |
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| 18:51.33 | kuko | stew what would the command be to pull from another branch? i read it somewhere... i jsut cant remember |
| 18:52.10 | aronofsky | Stew, so just to know if I get you right, I should upgrade initrd-tools so it would solve conflicts problem with lic6 and then dist-upgrade wont have to uninstall initrd and so 2.4 kernel ... right ? |
| 18:52.12 | CharminTheMoose | ping |
| 18:52.15 | cusco | pog |
| 18:52.17 | cusco | pong |
| 18:52.22 | cusco | Ping |
| 18:52.25 | streuner_ | !closing ports |
| 18:52.26 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 18:52.26 | cusco | oops |
| 18:52.31 | cusco | sorry! |
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| 18:52.51 | abrotman | oops my ass |
| 18:52.55 | cusco | :( |
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| 18:53.21 | Vorbote | stew: I never said that. You are trying to read too much, into my words. I'm sorry but I am not going to engage in a rethorical discussion with a person evidently trying to demonstrate some ill self-percived punditry. |
| 18:53.47 | CharminTheMoose | whenever i cat /dev/urandom it prints out a screen of garbage and sends the rest to my printer. |
| 18:53.49 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 18:54.20 | stew | Vorbote: sorry, you just said a 2.6 kernel is going to be installed by default. and it isn't, which aronofsky has already confirmed |
| 18:55.02 | stew | aronofsky: i believe so, yes. try it |
| 18:55.26 | stew | aronofsky: you should be able to mark initrd-tools as being explicitly reqested to be upgraded, and see what it does next with dependency resolution |
| 18:55.27 | aronofsky | stew, Vorbote , yeah and I confirm It again, dist-upgrade doesn't install 2.6 , it only remove 2.4 ! |
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| 18:55.50 | erudified | you guys hear about mysql pulling debian support? |
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| 18:56.01 | kuko | Could someone quickly tell me why this doesnt work apt-get -t distribution install package |
| 18:56.03 | erudified | I say we get together and burn their headquarters down |
| 18:56.09 | kuko | errrrr |
| 18:56.11 | stew | kuko: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 18:56.15 | kuko | apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx that |
| 18:56.31 | stew | kuko: did you add sources for sid ? |
| 18:56.41 | aronofsky | Stew, sorry to be silly but what is the command to upgrade only a specific package ? |
| 18:56.43 | stew | kuko: be careful, you don't want to upgrade your entire machine to sid |
| 18:56.47 | kuko | Uhh no... i dont really want it to get anything from sid aside from that |
| 18:56.48 | kuko | Yeah |
| 18:57.04 | stew | aronofsky: 'i' in the frontend |
| 18:57.15 | kuko | lol i really wish nvidia was in testing >< |
| 18:57.24 | stew | kuko: do you need 3d support? |
| 18:57.24 | aronofsky | stew, no way to do that from command line ? |
| 18:57.29 | kuko | Uhhh |
| 18:57.37 | stew | aronofsky: aptitude install packagename |
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| 18:57.37 | kuko | Not overly but i like running xcompmgr =\ |
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| 18:59.15 | JordiGH | kuko, what's that? |
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| 19:01.18 | kuko | !apt-spy |
| 19:01.18 | dpkg | i guess apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 19:01.58 | aronofsky | Stew, are you sure initrd-tools-0.1.84.1 is on etch ? because I got 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free' in my sources.list and when I browse aptitude, the only version available is 0.1.81.1 ... i did update , i dont get it ? |
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| 19:03.23 | aronofsky | stew, actuallu it seems 0.1.84.1 is only available in unstable : http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/initrd-tools.html |
| 19:03.28 | erudified | Tremulous sucks |
| 19:03.30 | erudified | hard. |
| 19:03.43 | JordiGH | erudified: Do you mean that the same way a girlfriend sucks hard? |
| 19:03.47 | kuko | Its fun for about...half hour... then you get board |
| 19:04.28 | stew | aronofsky: hrm, pdo must be incorrect then |
| 19:04.33 | poopybutt | im trying to run something from an .iso image. its a program i want to install but dont have any cds to burn. i know there is a way to do that. how can i? |
| 19:04.53 | zinx | mount it |
| 19:04.56 | deadcat | can someone help me look at this log file: http://pastebin.ca/277982 we are being told by godaddy that we have reached our current SMTP relay limit of 1000/day, but we dont know how to prevent it using qmail.. obviously i am not a sysadmin (= |
| 19:05.06 | JordiGH | You can mount an iso image? |
| 19:05.06 | markw | poopybutt: mount -o loop isoimage.iso /mountpoint |
| 19:05.13 | JordiGH | That's fascinating. |
| 19:05.16 | zinx | JordiGH: of course |
| 19:05.35 | markw | knowledge too. |
| 19:06.01 | poopybutt | markw: then how do i run it? |
| 19:06.01 | aronofsky | Stew, what are my options now lol |
| 19:06.01 | JordiGH | markw: There's too much common knowledge out there to know it all. ;-) |
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| 19:06.01 | zinx | poopybutt: same way you run any other CD |
| 19:06.02 | markw | poopybutt: the whole ISO directory tree will be under the mount point. |
| 19:06.07 | poopybutt | markw: ok thanks |
| 19:06.12 | markw | JordiGH: na, just takes time to absorb it. |
| 19:06.23 | stew | aronofsky: get a linux-image-2.6.foo package working before you remove your kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 19:06.53 | stew | aronofsky: or install intitrd-tools from unstable |
| 19:07.08 | markw | JordiGH: I've been absorbing for 13 years so, a lot of this seems like common knowledge to me. :) |
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| 19:08.27 | overpointe | Can someone help me out with trying to apply a patch? |
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| 19:08.45 | stew | overpointe: ask a more specific question |
| 19:08.53 | aronofsky | Stew, is using a 2.6 kernel at install time a good solution, it would have made things easyer ? |
| 19:08.55 | overpointe | Hey stew! |
| 19:09.05 | overpointe | I'm on debian now!!! |
| 19:09.26 | JordiGH | markw: I was born yesterday compared to you. I've only been using Debian and POSIX systems since 2001 or so. |
| 19:09.29 | poopybutt | markw: i mounted it in my home directory. is that a bad idea? also konq seems to be hanging on me when i try to get into /home |
| 19:09.34 | DevilChaos | i hate windowwwwwwwwssssssssss |
| 19:09.36 | stew | aronofsky: no, you'd still be depending on initrd-tools |
| 19:09.48 | JordiGH | DevilChaos: Hear hear. Two minute hate for Steve Ballmer. |
| 19:10.13 | markw | JordiGH: started with slackware and a stack of floppies in 93 or so. |
| 19:10.27 | CharminTheMoose | lol JordiGH 1984 is the best book ever |
| 19:10.27 | overpointe | Anyway, I have vidix-0.9.9.2 and vidix0.9.9.1-9.9.2.diff And I'm trying to apply the patch. |
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| 19:10.30 | markw | poopybutt: yeah, probably a bad idea. |
| 19:10.46 | poopybutt | markw: where is a good place to mount it? |
| 19:11.06 | markw | poopybutt: since there were open files in your ~/ when you mounted it. |
| 19:11.13 | DevilChaos | just spent the last hour trying to get the wireless to work on my laptop arrrrrrg seeing as i cant read the archive through linux i thought id give windblows a try and i might have done it if it hadnt fucked up on me bill gate s needs therapy! |
| 19:11.26 | poopybutt | hmm, what can i do to fix it |
| 19:11.32 | markw | poopybutt: usually under /cdrom or /mnt or something. |
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| 19:11.37 | poopybutt | ps, im a moron |
| 19:11.37 | markw | poopybutt: umount it. |
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| 19:11.57 | poopybutt | same thing? just unmount instead of mount with the same exact commands after? |
| 19:12.13 | markw | poopybutt: if you did mount -o loop blah.iso /home |
| 19:12.20 | irq | poopybutt: umount, not unmount |
| 19:12.21 | markw | then just do a umount /home |
| 19:13.52 | markw | poopybutt: there's some good tutorials out there on linux. |
| 19:13.58 | poopybutt | yeah i know |
| 19:14.09 | markw | mount is kind of a basic command to learn. :) |
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| 19:14.21 | markw | heh, he quit. |
| 19:14.34 | markw | "Damnit, those guys expect me to read stuff!" |
| 19:14.38 | markw | :) |
| 19:14.44 | erudified | Yeah I hate that too |
| 19:14.44 | CharminTheMoose | "run away!" |
| 19:14.50 | JordiGH | mount isn't a Linux command... |
| 19:15.00 | JordiGH | It's a GNU coreutil! :D |
| 19:15.06 | markw | JordiGH: nothing is really a linux command. |
| 19:15.25 | markw | JordiGH: maybe echo "1" > /proc/sys/..... |
| 19:15.27 | azeem | JordiGH: it's not |
| 19:15.45 | azeem | Source: util-linux |
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| 19:16.00 | JordiGH | Oops. |
| 19:16.06 | JordiGH | I guess it is Linux, then. |
| 19:16.11 | loswillios | I wrote an init-script for VDR which is rather simple. Its working too, but only start|stop. With restart, the script finishes after 'killall vdr'. Is this normal behavior? |
| 19:16.13 | markw | hey, why isn't my desktop working now that I mounted that under /home. |
| 19:16.15 | azeem | well, it's used on other Unices as well |
| 19:16.24 | azeem | not on the GNU system though, except for a shell-wrapper |
| 19:16.26 | markw | guess it was a learning experience, he probably won't do that again. |
| 19:16.39 | pipeline | markw: on the contrary, almost everything is a linux command. |
| 19:16.50 | pipeline | markw: People seem to forget that while linux is the market leader, #2, #3, and #4 are all SysV :P |
| 19:17.06 | erudified | 'killall' is probably overkill |
| 19:17.12 | erudified | and I don't think -9 is the signal you want to sent |
| 19:17.18 | markw | pipeline: slackware wasn't sys V. |
| 19:17.32 | markw | pipeline: mount was around before linux. |
| 19:17.34 | azeem | slackware doesn't fit in there anyway |
| 19:17.40 | erudified | You can use a non-sysv init system on debian too |
| 19:17.42 | azeem | anyway, off-topic |
| 19:17.45 | markw | azeem: it brings back memorys. :) |
| 19:17.49 | markw | memories too. |
| 19:17.57 | markw | dang, I can't spell today, time for a new keyboard. |
| 19:18.00 | azeem | we're talking about sysv based operating systems, not inits |
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| 19:18.03 | erudified | and frankly BSD init is better than everything else ever in the history of the past and future |
| 19:18.09 | azeem | erudified: off-topic |
| 19:18.12 | erudified | =D |
| 19:18.26 | markw | erudified: emacs or vi? :) |
| 19:18.27 | loswillios | erudified: talking to me? I'm not using -9 |
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| 19:19.24 | markw | "NOBODY Expects the Spanish Inquisition!" |
| 19:19.37 | poopybutt | markw: what was that mount command again? sorry i restarted because it wouldnt let me unmount because my home files were obviously being used |
| 19:19.49 | markw | man mount :) |
| 19:19.53 | markw | look for loopback |
| 19:19.57 | pipeline | markw: What does slackware have to do with anything? I haven't seen slackware actually in use, anywhere, for many years :P |
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| 19:20.13 | erudified | It was pretty awesome that slackware was basically done by just one guy though |
| 19:20.14 | azeem | pipeline: thanks for continueing this... NOT |
| 19:20.25 | markw | pipeline: said it brought back memories. handwritten modelines for X, been there done that. |
| 19:20.29 | JordiGH | poopybutt: Just don't mount to your home directory. Create a subdirectory in home and use that as the mountpoint. |
| 19:20.39 | pipeline | markw: The point I was trying to make is that most people are familiar with the mishmash of BSD, SysV, and other function that GNU tools provide. But there are systems that do not use the GNU tools, and they're rather popular. |
| 19:20.41 | JordiGH | erudified: And still is, no? |
| 19:20.52 | erudified | I suppose so, yeah |
| 19:20.56 | pipeline | markw: e.g. "ps -ef" versus "ps aux" |
| 19:21.08 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 19:21.11 | JordiGH | pipeline: Doesn't Solaris put the GNU tools in a /usr/bin/freeware directory? |
| 19:21.14 | DiamonD | evening everyone |
| 19:21.21 | JordiGH | I bet that pissess off the GNU folks. :-) |
| 19:21.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: thye move them with every release :) |
| 19:21.24 | stew | ... ask #solaris |
| 19:21.26 | markw | pipeline: I'm known for a modeline... sigh.. http://www.lysator.liu.se/~jonass/graveyard/linux6091.html |
| 19:21.30 | DiamonD | can someone tell me how to reconfigure videocard drivers and settings |
| 19:21.43 | azeem | !drxx |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:21.52 | DiamonD | my server refuses to start desktop invoirment |
| 19:22.28 | pipeline | JordiGH: Not by default, no. I've never seen them installed on anything but folks' personal desktops :D |
| 19:22.29 | DiamonD | azeem : is that for me ? |
| 19:22.34 | azeem | yes |
| 19:22.43 | DiamonD | ok thnx :) |
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| 19:22.58 | markw | JordiGH: they use pkg-get |
| 19:23.12 | JordiGH | markw: What's that? (And we're being OT, y'know...) |
| 19:23.12 | azeem | markw, JordiGH, pipeline: move this discussion elsewhere, kthxbye |
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| 19:25.31 | naitram | installed kontact from backports, when open says cant find mime type application/octet stream ? |
| 19:25.52 | DiamonD | hmm mabey a stupid question but what means a bus idenitfier ? i am not english you know is. that the slot where the videocard is in ? IRQ ? or something else ? |
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| 19:26.12 | stew | DiamonD: leave it blank unless you have more than one card or are on a mac |
| 19:26.16 | nearfar` | I downloaded the netinst ISO. It could not detect my network card. So I am here back to Ubuntu. |
| 19:26.20 | aronofsky | Stew, just to be sure, I should have the exact same problem tryin to dist-upgrade a sarge rc3 ? |
| 19:26.29 | stew | aronofsky: yes |
| 19:26.32 | nearfar` | It showed me list of ethernet modules to choose from. none of them worked. |
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| 19:26.35 | naitram | oops, forget that last post from me |
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| 19:27.29 | JordiGH | nearfar`: Hmm... that's a shame. |
| 19:27.34 | aronofsky | Stew because i did it last week and I didn't had the problem ... ! |
| 19:27.49 | kuko | !skypoe |
| 19:27.51 | kuko | !skype |
| 19:27.51 | dpkg | [skype] a non-free (beer) voip application that is cross platform. See http://www.skype.com/, or based on proprietary, closed-source protocols, or debs for skype are available with and without a static qt library from http://debian-unofficial.org, or for official debs, add "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" to sources.list. |
| 19:28.10 | stew | aronofsky: yes, i believe initrd-tools was only recently removed |
| 19:28.21 | JordiGH | !tell kuko about message the bot |
| 19:28.30 | aronofsky | Stew, ok I see |
| 19:28.43 | kuko | thx JordiGH :) |
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| 19:28.55 | stew | aronofsky: i'm trying to figure out why and if it is returning |
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| 19:29.13 | JordiGH | kuko: The factoid says to message apt, but message dpkg instead. |
| 19:29.21 | kuko | Yeah i figured :P |
| 19:29.58 | stew | aronofsky: looks like its been brought up: #393092 |
| 19:29.59 | aronofsky | stew, ok , let me know if you learned something ... I stay here |
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| 19:30.36 | JordiGH | nearfar`: What network card are you using? |
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| 19:31.27 | nearfar` | JordiGH: I couldn't find that! lsmod is showing nothing appropriate. How to find out? Mine is thinkpad R52. |
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| 19:32.03 | naitram | anyone have any idea what mime type application/octet stream is |
| 19:32.15 | asg | nearfar`: lspci ; ifconfig -a ; dmesg |
| 19:32.17 | JordiGH | nearfar`: What does lspci is? I'm guessing it's a PCI card? |
| 19:32.18 | stew | nearfar`: probably an e1000, what does "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" say? |
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| 19:32.28 | asg | nearfar`: just a generic byte stream |
| 19:32.28 | stew | naitram: binary data |
| 19:32.39 | stew | !lost asg |
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| 19:32.44 | asg | !lose asg |
| 19:32.44 | dpkg | asg: You Lose. |
| 19:32.57 | JordiGH | Heh, asg self-flaggelates. :-) |
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| 19:33.09 | nearfar` | stew: JordiGH 14e4:167d |
| 19:33.21 | asg | JordiGH: I've been known to beat myself historically |
| 19:33.40 | stew | nearfar`: thats a tg3 |
| 19:33.51 | stew | odd, wtf is that doing on a thinkpad |
| 19:33.58 | nearfar` | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 11) |
| 19:34.06 | abrotman | !qotd139 |
| 19:34.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd139 is <asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off |
| 19:34.07 | nearfar` | stew: tg3? |
| 19:34.19 | buu | Hrm. |
| 19:34.29 | cydork | bwahahah |
| 19:34.32 | JordiGH | hehehe... |
| 19:34.42 | asg | abrotman: thanks for that trip down amnesia lane |
| 19:34.44 | stew | nearfar`: its a "tigon3" supported by the tg3 module, it required non-free firmware at some point and might not be supported by all debian kerenls |
| 19:34.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:34.57 | buu | /etc/init.d/bind9 start; "Starting domain name service...: bind failed" |
| 19:34.57 | azeem | nearfar`: what kind of Thinkpad do you have? |
| 19:35.08 | nearfar` | azeem: R52 |
| 19:35.16 | stew | did sarge ship without tg3? i seem to remember it did |
| 19:35.34 | nearfar` | stew: I downloaded the netinst ISO (100mb) |
| 19:35.37 | asg | stew: it has it, it doesn't work with all tigon3 hardware though |
| 19:35.46 | naitram | stew: any idea how to correct the cannot find mime type octet stream |
| 19:35.56 | nearfar` | hmm.. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Installing_Debian/Sarge_on_a_ThinkPad_T43p#Network |
| 19:35.56 | JordiGH | Does Ubuntu have an official philosophical position on freedom? Or are they just "meh, we'll be free only as long as it's practical"? |
| 19:35.59 | asg | stew: works with dell latitudes, doesn't work with IBM HS20 blades |
| 19:36.12 | buu | Anyway, where should I look for the error messages from bind? |
| 19:36.24 | stew | JordiGH: ... |
| 19:36.32 | JordiGH | stew: Fine! |
| 19:36.37 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 19:36.56 | azeem | or look at their website or use google. |
| 19:37.05 | schme | I have an R52. Exact same card. Netinst detected it and it worked with no problem. |
| 19:37.05 | stew | naitram: where do you see that error? |
| 19:37.17 | nearfar` | stew: looks like I am stuck. chicken and egg problem. :| |
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| 19:37.24 | aronofsky | Stew, what does it mean when package have the 'c' flag in aptitude ? |
| 19:37.41 | azeem | aronofsky: don't ask people, ask the channel |
| 19:37.51 | naitram | stew: when trying to start Kontact |
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| 19:38.41 | karsten | JordiGH: Go to ... |
| 19:38.41 | nearfar` | Used count for my tg3 module is 0! |
| 19:38.46 | karsten | JordiGH: ... #redhat |
| 19:38.50 | aronofsky | sorry , what does it mean then when package have the 'c' flag in aptitude ? |
| 19:39.08 | karsten | JordiGH: IIRC Ubuntu does have a social contract. Website should point that out. |
| 19:39.23 | zinx | aronofsky: i'm pretty sure that's in the help :P |
| 19:39.32 | karsten | aronofsky: '?' gives help screen |
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| 19:39.50 | karsten | Anyone know of ITP status of Postgresql 8.2? |
| 19:39.59 | stew | aronofsky: config files (removed but not yet purged, so the config files remain) |
| 19:40.01 | JordiGH | karsten: I can't find one. And the people in #ubuntu are like "we don't care about philosophical positions". :-) |
| 19:40.11 | stew | JordiGH: karsten: please take it to #ubuntu |
| 19:40.18 | JordiGH | stew: I did. :-) |
| 19:40.25 | stew | !tell JordiGH about they don't know |
| 19:40.27 | buu | abrotman: bind9 error logs. Where?! |
| 19:40.35 | stew | buu: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 19:41.17 | buu | stew: Oh, well, ok, I see logs, but it doesn't tell me why 'stop' is telling me: Stopping domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: connection refused |
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| 19:41.56 | abrotman | yeah that :) |
| 19:42.06 | buu | stew: ps aux | grep named; gives me a named service running, and it's resolving domains and such like. |
| 19:42.12 | karsten | JordiGH: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy |
| 19:42.20 | karsten | JordiGH: "ubuntu philosophy" googled. |
| 19:43.11 | azeem | (note that people suggested changing that slightly, now that they plan to ship binary-only video drivers by default in their next release) |
| 19:43.11 | karsten | JordiGH: Note it's ubuntu.com, not ubuntu.org. |
| 19:43.30 | karsten | JordiGH: ... and ubuntu.upc.es is right out. |
| 19:43.37 | deadcat | what the f "telnet 0 smtp" ? |
| 19:43.38 | JordiGH | Ubuntu is a commercial distribution? I've neverr seen them selling stuff. |
| 19:43.44 | nearfar` | I am downloading etch netinst (businesscard). |
| 19:43.50 | stew | karsten: JordiGH: STOP |
| 19:44.00 | azeem | JordiGH: off-topic |
| 19:44.09 | karsten | OK |
| 19:44.42 | naitram | is there a package that defines mime types |
| 19:45.35 | karsten | naitram: In general, /etc/magic, or your browser, or KDE/GNOME file associations. |
| 19:45.53 | nearfar` | naitram: mime-support ? |
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| 19:46.21 | sanity_ | hi |
| 19:46.39 | WorldBFree | how do i find out the host name of the computer i am using. i know this is basic but im unsure |
| 19:46.40 | sanity_ | shared library libxpcom.so can not be found |
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| 19:47.03 | sanity_ | anyway to resolve this under debian |
| 19:47.11 | nearfar` | WorldBFree: hostname is the command. |
| 19:47.12 | stew | WorldBFree: type "hostname" or "hostname -fqdn" |
| 19:47.16 | sanity_ | i apt-get install libxpm* |
| 19:47.32 | sanity_ | but firefox still unlaunchable |
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| 19:48.03 | stew | sanity_: what version of debian are you running, which version of firefox? |
| 19:48.21 | sanity_ | firefox 2 and 2/6.18.1 sid debian |
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| 19:48.44 | stew | sanity_: how did you install it? |
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| 19:49.04 | sanity_ | i find it on a sourceforge |
| 19:49.37 | stew | sanity_: remove it and "apt-get install iceweasel" |
| 19:50.07 | karsten | WorldBFree: 'hostname' if defined locally, or 'host < address>"' for the DNS-assigned hostname. Note that these need not have any relationship to one another. |
| 19:50.16 | n3kl | Hi |
| 19:50.32 | sanity_ | the package is called granparadiso-alpha1.tar.bz2 |
| 19:50.32 | WorldBFree | yeah im aware |
| 19:50.39 | sanity_ | i don't think it is iceweasel |
| 19:50.47 | sanity_ | it is new version |
| 19:51.15 | stew | sanity_: iceweasel is the name of the debian pacakge for firefox 2 |
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| 19:51.33 | sanity_ | granparadiso is firefox3.0 |
| 19:51.39 | n3kl | when I generate an ssh key for automatic authentication, does ssh actually use that key as the encryption key, or just for the log in? If I have a 4096 bit key, will that slow down my network transfers? |
| 19:51.40 | sanity_ | the new release |
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| 19:52.13 | sanity_ | any way to compil libxpcom.so shared library ? |
| 19:52.35 | nearfar` | stew: can I 'compile' the tg3 module source within the netinst cd? |
| 19:52.42 | n3kl | !debian books |
| 19:52.49 | karsten | n3kl: ssh generates a session key, encrypted against your/the remote server's public keys, IIRC. |
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| 19:53.05 | sanity_ | libxpcom.so library sorry |
| 19:53.15 | stew | nearfar`: not from the netinst, no |
| 19:53.20 | karsten | n3kl: http://debian.org/docs/ and/or Martin Krafft's _The Debian System_ |
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| 19:53.46 | n3kl | karsten: so the larger the key only matters for authentication? also what is IIRC? |
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| 19:53.52 | karsten | dpkg: debian books is see http://www.debian.org/docs/, or Martin Krafft's _The Debian System_. |
| 19:53.52 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 19:53.53 | nearfar` | stew: any other suggestions then? |
| 19:53.56 | karsten | n3kl: RTFRFC |
| 19:54.02 | xaka | how change time to GTM?! |
| 19:54.16 | CharminTheMoose | karsten:what's RTFRFC? |
| 19:54.22 | nearfar` | stew: perhaps a different ISO? |
| 19:54.24 | karsten | n3kl: http://free.lp.se/fish/rfc.txt |
| 19:54.27 | nearfar` | later I can upgrade |
| 19:54.29 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Read the Fine RFC |
| 19:54.31 | karsten | !rfc |
| 19:54.31 | dpkg | hmm... rfc is Request For Comments. They are available at http://www.rfc-editor.org/, http://www.rfc.net, or ask about rfc 1918 for private address ranges |
| 19:54.40 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 19:54.43 | stew | !find tg3.ko stable |
| 19:54.46 | CharminTheMoose | indeed |
| 19:54.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tg3.ko' (4 of 20): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/net/tg3.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386. |
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| 19:55.01 | karsten | !rtrfc |
| 19:55.11 | karsten | !rtfrfc |
| 19:55.11 | dpkg | i heard rtfrfc is Read the F* RFC. See RFC, RTFM, STFW, GIYF. |
| 19:55.23 | xaka | any body know how set time in GTM format? |
| 19:55.33 | karsten | xaka: 'date -u' |
| 19:55.44 | mick_linux | anyone remember a package called ftape? i could swear that that package used to exist... |
| 19:55.44 | karsten | !tell xaka about set time |
| 19:55.51 | nearfar` | stew: now I am wondering how to find the ISO images that contain one of those kernels. |
| 19:56.16 | stew | nearfar`: all of them contain those kernels. are you booting the 2.6 kernel or the 2.4 kernel? |
| 19:56.17 | karsten | xaka: And WTF is GTM? GMT? Too much LDS back in Berkeley? |
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| 19:57.03 | nearfar` | stew: the default. oh, netinst has 2.6? |
| 19:57.08 | nearfar` | I will try again |
| 19:57.22 | mick_linux | i'm trying to get my old tape backup working :) (iirc, there was an easy utility called ftape that did this) |
| 19:57.25 | stew | nearfar`: yes, type "linux26" at the boot: prompt |
| 19:57.38 | mick_linux | that was with slink though (iirc) |
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| 20:01.39 | xaka | karsten, yes, sorry, i need set time in GMT |
| 20:02.33 | crookshanks | is there a tutorial somewhere on how to make your own module source tarballs for use with module-assistant? |
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| 20:02.48 | karsten | xaka: man hwclock as well. |
| 20:03.30 | karsten | xaka: Default for Debian is to store system time in GMT, represent it in the default locale. There are variants on this. Determine what you've got and what you want, modulate any discrepencies accordinglyi. |
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| 20:04.09 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 20:06.03 | yoshio | xaka: I put "UTC=yes" in /etc/default/rcS ; BIOS time is set to UTC ; /etc/timezone is set to "US/Pacific" ; /etc/localtime is a copy of /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific |
| 20:06.18 | crookshanks | the fact that a later fuse-source isn't in repository miffs me |
| 20:06.22 | simonrvn | us/pacific != UTC |
| 20:06.40 | xaka | solvware5:~# date -u |
| 20:06.40 | xaka | Thu Dec 14 08:07:20 UTC 2006 |
| 20:06.46 | Flimzy | I'm trying to create an i386/sources/all mirror of etch... I'm using rsync as described on some official looking Debian page... heh... But I notice it's grabbing every version of a package, not just the one in etch. There's got to be a better way to do this... right? |
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| 20:07.38 | simonrvn | crookshanks: because fuse is now in mainline kernel |
| 20:07.43 | buu | Hrm. Where do I change dns servers? |
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| 20:07.54 | simonrvn | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:07.55 | crookshanks | simonrvn: yes, but i'd like to avoid upgrading the kernel if i can |
| 20:07.58 | buu | Ohhh, right, thanks. |
| 20:08.16 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:08.22 | piper69 | buu: "pico /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:08.26 | WorldBFree | how do i delete a directory? i tried rm -d /directory but it says cannot remove because its a directory or whatnot |
| 20:08.52 | piper69 | WorldBFree: are you sure that the directory is empty |
| 20:08.57 | buu | What the.. |
| 20:09.24 | WorldBFree | yes |
| 20:09.30 | stew | WorldBFree: rmdir /path/to/directory |
| 20:09.53 | WorldBFree | stew: thanks |
| 20:09.58 | simonrvn | crookshanks: *shrug*. it's that, or tough it out |
| 20:10.10 | crookshanks | simonrvn: apparently so |
| 20:10.12 | piper69 | stew: how are you man |
| 20:10.40 | piper69 | stew: can i ask a personal question? you are here 24/7 do you sleep buddy |
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| 20:10.58 | stew | piper69: both |
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| 20:11.10 | piper69 | :) |
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| 20:12.34 | nearfar` | now netinst failed to detect my hard disk!! |
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| 20:12.51 | cydork | piper69: he is bot :P |
| 20:12.55 | stew | piper69: i'm here more this week than I have been the last few becuase neither I nor my clients are very motivated to get real work done lately |
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| 20:14.07 | piper69 | cydork: what is a bot? |
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| 20:14.31 | cydork | piper69: nevermind :P |
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| 20:14.53 | piper69 | cydork: no seriously i really need to know the meaning of it |
| 20:15.00 | stew | piper69: he was saying i'm a bot |
| 20:15.02 | xaka | hm...mb i'm stupid, but how set GMT+0? )) |
| 20:15.25 | Fokker680 | hello again everyone |
| 20:15.34 | blondie | xaka: you just set it to gmt? |
| 20:15.51 | piper69 | stew: i know , it must have a meaning |
| 20:16.22 | Fokker680 | hey guys, i recently installed the 2.6.8-smp kernel on my machine |
| 20:16.22 | piper69 | and i just would like to know it , i think that bot is something related to irc server right |
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| 20:16.37 | helo_ | how do i get the packages depended on by a package? |
| 20:16.42 | Fokker680 | and somehow, it just stopped communicating with my mysql server |
| 20:16.51 | Ronin | piper69: bot? robot perhaps |
| 20:16.58 | Fokker680 | are you aware of any issues with mysql/2.6.8-smp? |
| 20:16.59 | overpointe | I tried to install livemedia-utils by using apt-get, but it couldn't be found. What do I do? |
| 20:17.39 | xaka | blondie, no |
| 20:17.42 | piper69 | Ronin: ok, thanks for clearfying this to me i do appreciated |
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| 20:17.53 | piper69 | blondie: hey how are you sir? |
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| 20:18.19 | cydork | !bot |
| 20:18.19 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 20:18.33 | little_slug | ello all, someone here, who could give me a realy good link for "step by step" kernel configuration ? dont need any howto compile kernel, need some guid for newest ck patched kernel 2.6.19 |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | ask #kernel ? |
| 20:19.44 | SmallR2002 | is it me or is groupware the ultimate bugware? |
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| 20:20.05 | piper69 | wow i must be in luck today all the good guys are here... abrotman and stew |
| 20:20.13 | abrotman | that's "all" ? |
| 20:20.22 | piper69 | nope |
| 20:20.30 | piper69 | blondie too |
| 20:20.51 | piper69 | and much more if i start writting name the "bot" my kick me ;P |
| 20:21.00 | little_slug | who cares?' |
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| 20:21.19 | piper69 | little_slug: who cares if i got kicked? |
| 20:21.27 | SmallR2002 | we all care, because we're a kind and caring community, right? |
| 20:21.41 | piper69 | right |
| 20:21.58 | piper69 | anyways |
| 20:22.12 | little_slug | please help, need good walkthrough kernel config |
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| 20:22.31 | Ronin | little_slug: didnt abrotman suggest #kernel all ready? |
| 20:22.32 | abrotman | ask #kernel |
| 20:22.33 | Quibus | hi all |
| 20:22.43 | piper69 | if i can find a way i can connect my self to a linux box and right a script for me so that i can quit smoking |
| 20:22.54 | piper69 | hi Quibus |
| 20:23.03 | Quibus | I just got an MP3 player, when I plugged it in my PC, Rhythmbox came up with the device listed and stuff! Great! But now I plugged it again, and it doesn't happen anymore. |
| 20:23.07 | Quibus | demsg says now: |
| 20:23.14 | Quibus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.19 | Quibus | while the first time it said: |
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| 20:23.46 | Quibus | oh, wait, it said that all times |
| 20:23.46 | mz_work | overpointe, looks like livemedia-utils is only in testing/unstable |
| 20:23.47 | piper69 | Quibus: i am new00be but i think you need to mount that |
| 20:23.50 | Quibus | bt the first time it said: |
| 20:23.56 | Quibus | FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive! |
| 20:24.07 | Quibus | well, it seemed to get automounted the first time, but not anymore |
| 20:24.12 | overpointe | Ahh, I see. |
| 20:24.22 | mz_work | overpointe, check backports? |
| 20:24.36 | overpointe | node`, I haven't, mz_work. |
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| 20:24.52 | overpointe | node` = no |
| 20:25.00 | xaka | how set time to gmt+0? :'( |
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| 20:25.09 | sts | hello folks! |
| 20:25.25 | asg | xaka: tzconfig, hwclock, date |
| 20:25.29 | Quibus | Does anyone know why it doesn't work anymore, minutes after the first try? |
| 20:25.30 | sts | i accedently created a directory called ~, how can i remove it? |
| 20:25.43 | SmallR2002 | with care? |
| 20:26.14 | asg | sts: rmdir -- \~ |
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| 20:27.03 | Quibus | where are USB devices supposed to get auto-mounted? |
| 20:27.15 | stew | Quibus: /media/ |
| 20:27.44 | Quibus | stew: hmm, it's not automounted, unlike the first time I plugged it... |
| 20:27.47 | sts | asg: rmdir: ~: Directory not empty |
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| 20:28.18 | asg | sts: then cd \~ and remove the stuff in it. |
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| 20:28.27 | stew | Quibus: run "lshal --monitor" then unplug and replug the device and tell me if anything is printed |
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| 20:28.58 | xnor | Does anyone know of some kind of HOWTO to get spamassasin to work with exim |
| 20:29.13 | Quibus | stew: nothing happens, when plugging in and out |
| 20:29.28 | asg | xnor: if there are no docs in /usr/share/doc/spamassassin, buy the O'Reilly book; it's well covered there. |
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| 20:29.39 | overpointe | mz_work, How do I make apt-get install the dependencies along with a package? |
| 20:29.40 | js_ | what do i need to do to make udev create /dev/md* devices? i thought they would be created automatically |
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| 20:30.21 | sts | asg: thanks |
| 20:30.24 | stew | Quibus: that's your problem then |
| 20:30.38 | stew | Quibus: does it start working after you /etc/init.d/dbus restart ? |
| 20:30.52 | mz_work | overpointe, well usually they just come along - if that is not the case you may need to specify a package by name, if the package cannot be found you may need to add a repo to sources.list |
| 20:30.57 | xnor | Quibus: ok thanks |
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| 20:31.49 | stew | overpointe: "apt-get install packagename" will install the dependencies if they are installable, what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 20:34.43 | geo-rge | what's the modern mouse detector these days? |
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| 20:34.51 | stew | mdetect |
| 20:35.02 | geo-rge | ok |
| 20:35.25 | overpointe | Right now stew, I'm tring to install livemedia-utlils, but I get this: http://pastbin.ca/278065 |
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| 20:35.48 | overpointe | I tried the -f switch too. |
| 20:36.01 | apfel_ | After an upgrade ls highlights symlinks and directories with write permissions for every user. How can I change this? |
| 20:36.06 | stew | overpointe: you can't mix testing and stable |
| 20:36.40 | stew | overpointe: remove the testing/etch/unstable/sid repositories from your sources.list and /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:38.17 | overpointe | I didn't know I had that in my sourc.list, stew. Here's what mine looks like now: http://pastebin.ca/278030 |
| 20:38.24 | geo-rge | mdetect says /dev/psaux intellimouse, but I have a logitech in a usb |
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| 20:38.39 | De_Mon | uugh. dhcp-client is overwriting my custom resolv.conf settings |
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| 20:39.32 | stew | overpointe: how did you install livemedia-utils? |
| 20:39.53 | overpointe | I didn't, stew. That's the problem. |
| 20:40.16 | overpointe | I installed liblivemidea-dev, though. |
| 20:40.53 | rEdPi1 | hello all :) |
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| 20:41.15 | stew | overpointe: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy livemedia-utils" ? |
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| 20:41.30 | stew | !+info liblivemidea-dev stable |
| 20:41.31 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:41.32 | dpkg | Package 'liblivemidea-dev' does not exist. |
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| 20:42.37 | stew | well livemedia-utils doesn't have any reverse dependencies |
| 20:42.46 | stew | so it must have been explicitly requested |
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| 20:43.37 | overpointe | Here it is stew: http://pastebin.ca/278076 |
| 20:43.48 | rEdPi1 | someone know a good howto "step by step howto" kernel compile? and please dont start this "ask question to some bot |
| 20:43.53 | rEdPi1 | crap" |
| 20:43.54 | Quibus | stew: yes, after restarting dbus, I at least see messages in the lshal --monitor output |
| 20:44.05 | SmallR2002 | ok, i pretty much give up |
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| 20:44.22 | stew | Quibus: sounds lie a bug in hal, someone else in here was reporting that yesterday |
| 20:44.22 | SmallR2002 | what shall i replace the major components of groupware with? |
| 20:44.26 | geo-rge | but... it worked |
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| 20:44.44 | asg | rEdPi1: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 20:44.56 | asg | rEdPi1: if that is not what you want, ask ##linux |
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| 20:45.07 | stew | overpointe: where did you install it from? that shows that its not available from any of your current repositories, so you either downloaded that by hand and installed it, or you had some other repositories that you have since deleted |
| 20:45.12 | Quibus | stew: but rhythmbox isn't started now |
| 20:45.14 | stew | overpointe: you should remove that package |
| 20:45.16 | De_Mon | rEdPi1 its not that complicated, really. |
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| 20:45.27 | SmallR2002 | i want mail viewing, pda/pc/etc syncing, and preferably some way of keeping eachother's schedules in sync |
| 20:45.27 | stew | Quibus: what is rhythmbox? |
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| 20:45.36 | Quibus | stew: aptitude show rhythmbox :P |
| 20:45.44 | Zap-W | what's the difference between IN NS pentium.mine.lanserver.no. and @ IN NS pentium.mine.lanserver.no. what does the @ do |
| 20:45.47 | SmallR2002 | stew, it's a music player i believe |
| 20:45.49 | stew | Quibus: does it have anything to do with hal? |
| 20:45.57 | asg | Zap-W: #dns |
| 20:46.00 | overpointe | All the stuff I couldn't install with apt-get, I did by downloading .debs, stew. |
| 20:46.03 | Quibus | stew: it's a music organizer GTK+ app |
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| 20:46.12 | PerfDave | I've got an Etch system, and I want to automatically mount a USB key to a mountpoint when I plug it in. I'm not using X, KDE or Gnome, so I'm guessing this needs to be a udev thing. Any hints? |
| 20:46.16 | overpointe | I've been installing stuff left and right, trying to get the svn of mplayer to work. |
| 20:46.19 | stew | overpointe: you shouldn't install debs from testing onto stable. you should try to remove all of those. /msg dpkg backports |
| 20:46.27 | Quibus | stew: I think it uses dbus. But it stilld didn't notice the plugin |
| 20:46.34 | tarzeau | quitte: yes |
| 20:46.42 | stew | Quibus: it has nothing to do with the problem you are talking about |
| 20:46.43 | rEdPi1 | :-[ whant to compile kernel totaly sloshed, so i can join my friends in a battle3 of et in the next half of an hour :-P |
| 20:46.48 | tarzeau | quitte: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse/ |
| 20:46.50 | tarzeau | quitte: www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 20:46.59 | rEdPi1 | :p |
| 20:47.03 | Quibus | stew: well, it worked the first time. Note that the device is still not mounted in /media |
| 20:47.39 | stew | Quibus: yes, this is a known bug |
| 20:47.46 | overpointe | Do I just do dpkg --uninstall whatever-I-installed.deb? |
| 20:47.49 | Quibus | stew: is there a workaround? |
| 20:48.01 | stew | Quibus: /etc/init.d/dbus restart |
| 20:48.03 | rEdPi1 | doh! damn it.. |
| 20:48.11 | Quibus | stew: I did that |
| 20:48.13 | stew | !dbugs 402835 |
| 20:48.17 | dpkg | #402835:I[hal] hal: no device events after auto-unmount; Tue, 12 Dec 2006 23:04:22 UTC |
| 20:48.44 | Quibus | stew: that restart gave action on the lshal monitor, but didn't solve the automount problem |
| 20:49.43 | mz_work | PerfDave, i use ivman for automount - ivman needs to runo on boot as user ivman (done automatically) then run it once as user, configure what you want ivman to do when you insert a drive/media with this file: ~/.ivman/IvmConfigActions.xml |
| 20:49.43 | overpointe | Nevermind, I found out how. |
| 20:49.47 | stew | Quibus: what is supposed to be automounting it? gnome-volume-manager? ivman? |
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| 20:50.05 | rEdPi1 | i had like realy good "step by step" howto compile all kernel options, but i cant find it under google, its not that i dont know howto compile a kernel just need help on each option there is configuration the damn thing |
| 20:50.13 | Quibus | stew: I don't konw, but I do know that it got automounted the first time I plugged it in, because it became accessible in rhythmbox |
| 20:50.19 | Quibus | (which was auto-started even) |
| 20:50.21 | stew | mz_work: ivman doesn't "need" to run on boot |
| 20:50.30 | stew | Quibus: is it still mounted? |
| 20:50.33 | PerfDave | mz_work: Run it once each boot as a user? |
| 20:50.35 | asg | rEdPi1: src/Documentation |
| 20:50.41 | Quibus | stew: not in /media at least |
| 20:50.46 | Quibus | and I didn't mount it manually |
| 20:50.49 | stew | PerfDave: its started by /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 20:50.57 | stew | Quibus: are you a gnome user? |
| 20:50.57 | mz_work | PerfDave, wel i just run it when i log into my desktop |
| 20:51.03 | PerfDave | stew: I'm not using X |
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| 20:51.14 | stew | PerfDave: ho |
| 20:51.16 | stew | oh |
| 20:51.20 | PerfDave | Or rather, I want the mounting to happen without any user interaction, before X is started. |
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| 20:51.43 | stew | PerfDave: i missed the original question. ivman will start as user "ivman" and will pmount removable drives, doesn't require etch |
| 20:51.46 | mz_work | hmm ivman does not start as $USER unless I specifically tell it to do so |
| 20:51.46 | stew | err X |
| 20:51.48 | stew | it does require etch :) |
| 20:51.55 | rEdPi1 | @asg is there also an html documentation ? |
| 20:51.58 | stew | mz_work: how do you log into x? |
| 20:52.07 | rEdPi1 | :p |
| 20:52.08 | stew | mz_work: startx? gdm? |
| 20:52.11 | asg | rEdPi1: not that I'm aware of; kernel.org might have some |
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| 20:52.20 | mz_work | entrance (e17 login manager) |
| 20:52.52 | mz_work | but if ivman only runs as ivman then user cannot umount the devices |
| 20:53.16 | stew | mz_work: then entrance might not be running /etc/X11/Xsession (which eventually would run /etc/X11/Xsession.d/70ivman_launch) |
| 20:53.34 | stew | mz_work: is your user in the plugdev group? |
| 20:53.38 | mz_work | yep |
| 20:53.41 | rEdPi1 | brb |
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| 20:54.29 | stew | mz_work: change the "mountcommand" in /etc/ivman/IvmConfigBase.xml from "mount" to "pmount" |
| 20:55.04 | stew | hmm, that should arguably be the default |
| 20:55.17 | rEdPi1 | hmm lets go... |
| 20:55.33 | mz_work | line 32 of /etc/ivman/IvmConfigBase.xm : <ivm:Option name="mountcommand" value="mount '$hal.block.device$'" /> |
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| 20:56.12 | stew | mz_work: yeah, if you cahnge that to: value="pmount...." then your user will be able to punmount |
| 20:56.20 | stew | pumount* |
| 20:56.21 | jovans | stew did you think of a bug in iceweasel? |
| 20:56.27 | xaka | which time now in UTC? |
| 20:56.36 | stew | jovans: no, i'm stumped on that one, you might consider filing a bug |
| 20:57.02 | jovans | but it seems to be one? |
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| 20:57.24 | stew | PerfDave: if you have questions, just ask |
| 20:57.40 | PerfDave | stew: Yeah, I just noticed your name at the bottom of /usr/share/doc/ivman/README.Debian ;) |
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| 20:57.51 | Rprp | -bash: screen: command not found |
| 20:57.53 | Rprp | How can i fix that? |
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| 20:58.06 | stew | Rprp: aptitude install screen |
| 20:58.13 | PerfDave | Rprp: Install the "screen" package |
| 20:58.26 | mz_work | hmm restarted ivman after editing the file but still same error: |
| 20:58.27 | mz_work | $ pumount /dev/sda1 |
| 20:58.27 | mz_work | Error: device /dev/sda1 was not mounted by you |
| 20:58.33 | Rprp | oke. |
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| 20:58.50 | Rprp | thnx |
| 20:59.07 | stew | mz_work: is the device marked as removable in lshal ? |
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| 20:59.15 | coach | hi@all |
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| 20:59.25 | coach | i've got a problem with my firefox |
| 20:59.32 | rahul | your firefox |
| 20:59.33 | stew | mz_work: (or hal-device-manager, which is a clicky version) |
| 20:59.38 | coach | it don't play sound on youtube |
| 20:59.44 | rahul | heh |
| 20:59.47 | stew | coach: using alsa or oss? |
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| 20:59.52 | coach | dunno |
| 20:59.53 | coach | ^^ |
| 20:59.55 | rahul | coach: you need the OSS compat drivers |
| 21:00.02 | rahul | well, then |
| 21:00.02 | coach | how to get to know? |
| 21:00.09 | Rprp | How can i cp a dir with everything in it |
| 21:00.17 | coach | Rprp, -R |
| 21:00.20 | coach | or -r |
| 21:00.20 | rahul | coach: why should sound work anywhere if you haven't loaded drivers.... |
| 21:00.22 | coach | ^^ |
| 21:00.32 | coach | no, my normal sound works |
| 21:00.41 | mlv | does debian support slot-type dual-cpus? |
| 21:00.51 | rahul | coach: sounds like you're using alsa. you need snd-pcm-oss loaded |
| 21:01.08 | rahul | mlv: why should debian need to care what kind of wires are in the computer? |
| 21:01.18 | coach | how can i test it? |
| 21:01.25 | rahul | coach: test what? |
| 21:01.33 | rahul | coach: you already know what doesn't work, try that as a test |
| 21:01.35 | coach | if the module is loaded |
| 21:01.40 | mlv | rahul; who said anything about wires? |
| 21:01.42 | rahul | coach: you need to restart the browser, I think |
| 21:01.46 | stew | coach: lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss |
| 21:01.54 | rahul | coach: at least, I need to before it works |
| 21:02.03 | rahul | mlv: you did. slot-type is just how the wires work |
| 21:02.19 | rahul | mlv: if it's a supported chipset, it's supported. |
| 21:02.24 | mlv | should i use smp though? |
| 21:02.32 | rahul | mlv: if it's dual-proc, yes |
| 21:02.58 | l3mr | mlv: sure, why not |
| 21:02.58 | mz_work | stew, i don't see that it is marked as removeable - where exactly would it say this? status? device type? |
| 21:02.58 | coach | thx, it wokrs |
| 21:02.58 | coach | ^^ |
| 21:02.58 | coach | works |
| 21:02.58 | rahul | np |
| 21:02.58 | coach | lol |
| 21:02.58 | coach | ^^ |
| 21:03.00 | stew | mz_work: storage.removable |
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| 21:03.28 | rahul | strange fella |
| 21:03.32 | Quibus | stew: yes, I'm a GNOME user |
| 21:03.39 | rahul | Quibus: my condolences |
| 21:04.03 | mlv | does it matter if i use smp or normal? what are the advantages of smp? |
| 21:04.12 | stew | Quibus: then its gnome-volume-manager. i don't know if there is a way to restart that without logging out and back in |
| 21:04.13 | Quibus | well, it came default on my Debian potato system and I've been using it ever since |
| 21:04.15 | rahul | mlv: you're the one who bought the smp system |
| 21:04.19 | PerfDave | mlv: Do you know what SMP stands for? |
| 21:04.30 | l3mr | !smp |
| 21:04.30 | dpkg | i heard smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMP-HOWTO.html, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
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| 21:04.34 | mlv | yes |
| 21:04.35 | rahul | mlv: why did you buy an smp system if you don't understand its advantages? |
| 21:04.35 | mz_work | stew, it says: hal-device-manager>Cruzer Mini>Cruzer Mini>Device Type: storage |
| 21:04.36 | stew | mlv: if you have a 2 cpu system and dont use a smp kernel only one of the 2 cpus are ever going to be used |
| 21:04.50 | stew | mz_work: that shoudl be removable |
| 21:04.59 | Quibus | stew: I'll try that then |
| 21:04.59 | rahul | Quibus: interesting. it didn't come default on mine. |
| 21:05.17 | mlv | stew; so smp is recommended? |
| 21:05.21 | Quibus | rahul: I'm not going to fight this holy war |
| 21:05.26 | mlv | been a while since i touched debian |
| 21:05.33 | l3mr | mlv: yes |
| 21:05.33 | Quibus | dpkg, start a desktop war |
| 21:05.33 | dpkg | enlightenment: the choice for the -smarter- debian user. |
| 21:05.44 | mlv | i see |
| 21:05.49 | mlv | just want to make sure |
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| 21:06.15 | MUTU | is the power usage of a thin client comparable to a laptop's? |
| 21:06.21 | rahul | mlv: if you have a feature in your computer that you relaly want to use, use it. |
| 21:06.42 | rahul | MUTU: no, it's comparable to anything. |
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| 21:07.07 | pstickne | rahul, oh, come on... just because it's nearly impossible to have a full-motion-video setup... |
| 21:07.07 | Drizzt321 | anyone know anything about hotplug pciehp/acpiphp drivers?I need help |
| 21:07.08 | MUTU | rahul: you mean laptop uses less than a thin client? |
| 21:07.08 | rahul | MUTU: you can run thin clients on dual opterons |
| 21:07.18 | rahul | MUTU: or more |
| 21:07.32 | MUTU | nah, mine has 56MB RAM :) |
| 21:07.48 | rahul | what does that mean? |
| 21:08.51 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 21:09.24 | Quibus | stew: hey, running gnome-volume-properties seems to trigger a mount |
| 21:09.34 | Fokker680 | hey..everyone, i'm having some problems getting connected to my mysql server after installing the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 21:09.41 | Fokker680 | can anyone give me a hand with this? |
| 21:10.19 | stew | Fokker680: be more specific |
| 21:10.44 | tarzeau | Fokker680: http://www.extremzertifikator.de/bilder/amigaHand.gif |
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| 21:11.56 | Fokker680 | i have a mysql server and a webserver |
| 21:12.13 | tarzeau | i have a car and a yoghurt |
| 21:12.15 | Fokker680 | like two hours ago, the webserver was running the 2.4 kernel |
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| 21:12.29 | fs-a | why does linux-source-2.6.19 take ages to be released. |
| 21:12.30 | piper69 | if i don't know nothing about scripting and i wish to learn can someone please guide me thru the right path? |
| 21:12.30 | stew | Fokker680: please don't use the enter key in place of punctuation |
| 21:12.33 | tarzeau | the yoghurt is in my stomach now |
| 21:12.39 | odla | a yoghurt? |
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| 21:13.00 | stew | fs-a: presumably its being held out becuase 2.6.18 is what is going to release with etch |
| 21:13.04 | tarzeau | odla: try dict yoghurt |
| 21:13.28 | odla | i know what yogurt |
| 21:13.29 | tarzeau | odla: raspberry, btw |
| 21:13.30 | valdyn | 2.6.19 has broken fs/vm code anyway |
| 21:13.31 | odla | is |
| 21:13.35 | odla | he he |
| 21:13.42 | tarzeau | valdyn: does 2.6.19.1 fix it? |
| 21:14.01 | rEdPi1 | O:-) |
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| 21:14.07 | Fokker680 | and it could perfectly get connected to the mysql server. After installing the 2.6.8 kernel, the webserver can't get connected to the mysql server and gives me the error "ERROR 2003: Can't connect to Mysql Server on <IP> (113)" |
| 21:14.11 | valdyn | tarzeau: i looked at that patch, seems to only unrelated fixes |
| 21:14.17 | valdyn | tarzeau: i looked at that patch, seems to be only unrelated fixes |
| 21:14.47 | piper69 | stew: can you guide me where to start so i can learn how to script? |
| 21:14.51 | piper69 | !script |
| 21:14.52 | dpkg | methinks script is This refers to a group of commands usually stored in a file and run one at a time so that you don't have to type them in one at a time. Script is the newer, sexier term for batch. Don't talk about batch files anymore! It's all scripts and scripting languages. We're on the INTERNET, for goodness' sake!, or my brother on #windowmaker |
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| 21:15.22 | stew | Fokker680: is the mysql server running? is it listening on the ip (check with netstat) |
| 21:15.25 | stew | helo |
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| 21:15.51 | stew | !list |
| 21:15.51 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to stew |
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| 21:16.02 | stew | piper69: /msg dpkg bashfaq |
| 21:16.17 | Fokker680 | stew: yes, it is |
| 21:16.23 | stew | !bashfaq is <reply> see bash faq |
| 21:16.23 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 21:16.23 | Fokker680 | and i can get connected to it from this machine |
| 21:16.42 | Fokker680 | it is listening on port 3308 as well |
| 21:16.48 | stew | not 3309? |
| 21:17.01 | mlv | hey, i don't see smp iso |
| 21:17.01 | creature | Hello. How can I find out what package provides my kernel, and exactly what version of Debian I'm running? |
| 21:17.14 | stew | mlv: there aren't any, you have to install an smp kernel after the install is finished |
| 21:17.15 | tarzeau | creature: dpkg -S /your/kernel |
| 21:17.20 | mlv | i see |
| 21:17.25 | mlv | that's what i thought |
| 21:17.26 | Fokker680 | stew: no..just 3308 |
| 21:17.27 | tarzeau | creature: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:17.55 | Fokker680 | it worked before..i don't understand why it's not working now |
| 21:18.19 | dimir | !key |
| 21:18.19 | dpkg | For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters. you can then use "apt-key" to install it. |
| 21:18.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: what? |
| 21:18.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: just annoying you |
| 21:19.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 21:19.23 | stew | Fokker680: can you connect with "mysql -u username -p -h ip.address -P 3308" ? |
| 21:19.41 | Fokker680 | stew: no, i can't. |
| 21:19.50 | Quibus | !list |
| 21:19.50 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to quibus |
| 21:19.52 | Quibus | cool |
| 21:19.53 | Quibus | :-) |
| 21:20.06 | Quibus | !warez |
| 21:20.07 | dpkg | hmm... warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 21:20.07 | stew | Fokker680: does it show up when you run "netstat -plant | grep :3308"? |
| 21:20.11 | creature | tarzeau: Well. I have the main debian repository as "testing main", have the non-US stuff as "sarge/non-US", and security as "testing/updates", and a multimedia thing as etch. |
| 21:21.20 | stew | creature: you can get rid of non-US, it doesn't exist anymore |
| 21:21.20 | tarzeau | creature: so you have testing |
| 21:21.20 | creature | tarzeau: Great, thanks. |
| 21:21.20 | tarzeau | creature: i wouldn't call testing great |
| 21:21.21 | Quibus | tarzeau: no? I like it :P |
| 21:21.21 | malverian | tarzeau: wooo! |
| 21:21.21 | creature | tarzeau: Well, I think it's great that I know what it is. |
| 21:21.21 | Fokker680 | stew: uhm, i don |
| 21:21.22 | stew | creature: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
| 21:21.22 | Fokker680 | stew: uhm, i don't have root on that machine |
| 21:21.22 | Fokker680 | (the mysql server) |
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| 21:21.22 | tarzeau | Quibus: no. great is when you have 3 women in your house and all want to give you a blowjob |
| 21:21.33 | creature | stew: 2.3.6.ds1-8 |
| 21:21.35 | Quibus | tarzeau: well, there's great and greater |
| 21:21.51 | stew | Fokker680: you don't need root |
| 21:21.52 | tarzeau | Quibus: greater is, when you have another 3 who want to cook for you |
| 21:21.55 | stew | creature: yeah, that is testing |
| 21:21.56 | creature | stew: But this is on a not-yet-networked laptop, so it hasn't had an apt-get update/upgrade lately. |
| 21:22.02 | tarzeau | malverian: your nick sounds familiar |
| 21:22.03 | mlv | i gotta do a fresh install then |
| 21:22.04 | mlv | :/ |
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| 21:22.12 | Quibus | tarzeau: theres probably 10 types of greater |
| 21:22.14 | malverian | tarzeau: porn-get ;) |
| 21:22.19 | piper69 | stew: that just took me right away to the FAQ "how can i read a file line-by-line |
| 21:22.22 | malverian | tarzeau: #gift |
| 21:22.31 | tarzeau | malverian: haha. man where the fuck have you been |
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| 21:22.37 | mz_work | stew, so should we edit /etc/ivman/IvmConfigActions.xml or use ~/.ivman/Ivm.ConfigActions.xml? It seems that ~/.ivman/Ivm.ConfigActions.xml is not read unless $USER runs an instance of ivman |
| 21:22.39 | tarzeau | malverian: but have you tried http://livecd.gnustep.org/ ? |
| 21:22.40 | malverian | tarzeau: I'm always around on various channels. |
| 21:22.52 | malverian | tarzeau: I haven't. |
| 21:23.21 | stew | mz_work: /etc/ivman is for root (which drops priveleges to ivman) |
| 21:23.22 | malverian | Hey, does anyone know which --arch linux-image-2.6-486 is using? is it "--arch i486" ? |
| 21:23.32 | creature | OK, I find my kernel package is linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 . I need to recompile it with a couple of changed options. Which packages do I need to do that? Presumably the relevant headers and the source package, but what are they called, and will I need anything else? |
| 21:23.33 | malverian | I'm referring to the make-kpkg argument. |
| 21:23.46 | stew | malverian: no i386 |
| 21:23.50 | malverian | creature: kernel-package |
| 21:23.51 | stew | malverian: there is no i486 arch |
| 21:23.51 | tarzeau | malverian: try dpkg-architecture |
| 21:24.00 | malverian | stew: That's misleading ;) |
| 21:24.31 | andriijas | debian:/etc/apt# dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:24.32 | andriijas | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 21:24.33 | Fokker680 | stew: well, nothing shows up here. |
| 21:24.34 | creature | malverian: I've got kernel-package, presuming that's the beast that provides make-kpkg. |
| 21:24.34 | stew | malverian: not really unless you consider that the -k7 -686 are also i386 misleading |
| 21:24.36 | andriijas | how do i fix? :O |
| 21:24.45 | stew | Fokker680: then its not listening to that port |
| 21:24.50 | Eulex | andriijas, install the locales package? |
| 21:24.54 | stew | Fokker680: are you sure it is started? how did you check? |
| 21:24.55 | malverian | stew: Ah.. so "486" is --subarch ? |
| 21:25.05 | Fokker680 | stew: but i -can- get connected using a client from another machine |
| 21:25.07 | malverian | creature: Yes, those are the ones. |
| 21:25.16 | stew | malverian: 486 is what is being used as a compiler flag by the kernel makefile |
| 21:25.18 | Eulex | malverian, why don't you just select the cpu you want to compile it for in the kernel config? |
| 21:25.19 | Fokker680 | stew: i'm connected to it right now |
| 21:25.38 | Seven_Six_Two | would it be at all advantageous to have an old pc as a firewall if it has no hd and booted over the network, e.g. from my desktop's bootpd? |
| 21:25.49 | malverian | Eulex: Eulex arch isn't the only thing.. -486 one for exapmle also disables smp |
| 21:26.06 | Eulex | malverian, disable smp in the kernel config? |
| 21:26.08 | creature | malverian: So what will I need for the source? |
| 21:26.14 | malverian | Eulex: I'm building grsec enabled kernels for several different architectures, and there's good reason to use the config.<xyz> that kernel-package generates |
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| 21:26.29 | stew | Fokker680: can you "telnet ip.address 3308" from any machine and get a connection? |
| 21:26.30 | Eulex | malverian, ok |
| 21:26.30 | malverian | Eulex: Why not use the functionality make-kpkg provides? |
| 21:26.39 | Fokker680 | stew: let me try. |
| 21:26.40 | tarzeau | http://digg.meluxconf.ro/err/05.jpg |
| 21:26.56 | stew | malverian: you mean have make-kpkg directly edit the .config? |
| 21:26.57 | Eulex | malverian, was thinking you were just the regular user compiling his own patched kernel... |
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| 21:27.19 | odla | tarzeau, that's funny |
| 21:27.28 | tarzeau | malverian: just get this: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.19.1/ |
| 21:28.10 | malverian | tarzeau: That worries me ;) |
| 21:28.15 | Fokker680 | stew: well, i've tried the telnet and it says that i can't get connected to the DB |
| 21:28.30 | Fokker680 | but if i use a mysql client like mysql front i -can- get connected |
| 21:28.44 | tarzeau | malverian: why? rock solid |
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| 21:29.07 | malverian | stew: I believe it copies debian/Configs/config.xxx depending on the arch/subarch you select. |
| 21:29.20 | malverian | tarzeau: "ROFL" ? :-P |
| 21:29.26 | stew | tarzeau: how do you know that it would be able to boot his machine? do you know what disk controller he has / on? or what filesystem? |
| 21:29.33 | malverian | tarzeau: Also, no grsec patches which I need. |
| 21:29.35 | tarzeau | stew: not again |
| 21:29.45 | stew | tarzeau: then you shouldn't be recommending it to him |
| 21:29.53 | tarzeau | stew: he's my friend |
| 21:30.02 | tarzeau | malverian: better than the LOL kernels |
| 21:30.25 | stew | tarzeau: so you do know which fs / controller he's trying to boot from? |
| 21:30.32 | tarzeau | stew: no, but that's not the point |
| 21:30.39 | tarzeau | malverian: can you tell him to shut up? |
| 21:30.42 | critch_ | so what does a mozilla fan need to do to get iceape installed on a new etch install? |
| 21:30.49 | Rprp | How can i give a FTP user fuill rights to all the maps in my server? |
| 21:30.55 | stew | tarzeau: that's my point. you shouldn't keep recommending your kernel to poeple if you don't know its going to work |
| 21:31.16 | keith80403 | Debian Sarge - I've added another ethernet card, now I have eth0 and eth1 - how to configure eth1 so it's recognized. No luck doing so with /sbin/ifconfig |
| 21:31.21 | abrotman | that wouldn't be the first time :) |
| 21:31.44 | malverian | stew: From the looks of the .config it appears he modularized almost all drivers, so it probably would function. |
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| 21:31.49 | malverian | stew: For most setups anyhow. |
| 21:31.52 | critch_ | keith80403: does it show up using /sbin/ifconfig -a? |
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| 21:32.05 | stew | malverian: its not an initrd kenrel though |
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| 21:32.13 | tarzeau | stew: it's not so, by purpose |
| 21:32.17 | shafire | http://nopaste.php-q.net/260964 |
| 21:32.22 | shafire | what is wrong? |
| 21:32.25 | tarzeau | stew: and when did i say, it is one? |
| 21:32.41 | keith80403 | critch_, Yes, it's there. I see a separate MAC address from eth0 and everything. |
| 21:32.46 | Fokker680 | so, does anyone else knows what my problem could be? |
| 21:32.48 | stew | tarzeau: no you said it isn't one. which is why if as malverian said, its mostly modularized it WONT work for many people |
| 21:32.58 | tarzeau | stew: yes it will |
| 21:33.04 | malverian | stew: That's a valid point.. |
| 21:33.11 | tarzeau | stew: because what NEEDS to work on most host, IS not modularized |
| 21:33.17 | Seven_Six_Two | keith80403: they both have ip? |
| 21:33.17 | tarzeau | malverian: no, it's not |
| 21:33.18 | slept | quitte, are you here ? |
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| 21:33.24 | malverian | tarzeau: :-P |
| 21:33.38 | critch_ | keith80403: have you added the appropriate lines to /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 21:34.03 | keith80403 | critch_, Seven_Six_Two, No, I haven't, I can look that up though. |
| 21:34.04 | malverian | Is there somewhere I can see what make-kpkg flags were used to build the linux-image kernels? ;) |
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| 21:34.33 | keith80403 | critch_, Wondered if there was a Debian setup to configure it. |
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| 21:34.53 | Seven_Six_Two | keith80403: What are the two cards hooked up to? |
| 21:35.06 | critch_ | keith80403: it is really simple text file, just open up $editor and add the lines similar to what you have for eth0 |
| 21:35.40 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:35.41 | keith80403 | Seven_Six_Two, Both NICs are cabled to a Linksys wireless router, eth0 gets its IP from there. |
| 21:36.28 | critch_ | keith80403: I guess maybe you should think/tell what you want to accomplish if both are connected to the same other end point |
| 21:36.29 | shams | Hi, whilst upgrading from XFree to X.Org my xserver can no longer handle direct rendering. It's been filed as a bug for about ten months, although the bug is now closed implying that the issue has been fixed. It's a RAGE 128 card using the xorg-ati xserver..basically it gets stuck in an endless loop of CCENOUSECTIMOUT resets. Anyone familiar with this? |
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| 21:37.27 | keith80403 | critch_, Found /etc/network/interfaces, edited, it's very easy as you said. I'm setting up a firewall between the cablemodem and the Linksys router using a basic Sarge system. |
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| 21:37.54 | creature | OK, I find my kernel package is linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 . I need to recompile it with a couple of changed options. Which packages do I need to do that? Presumably the relevant headers and the source package, but what are they called, and will I need anything else? |
| 21:38.01 | critch_ | keith80403: odd since the linksys should have a firewall, but have fun |
| 21:38.24 | l3mr | keith80403: btw, shorewall is nice if you want to easily setup a linux firewall... |
| 21:38.25 | shams | dpkg: ati? |
| 21:38.25 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 21:38.51 | Seven_Six_Two | keith80403: and some linksys you can put linux on |
| 21:38.52 | stew | creature: what, for example, do you need to change? |
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| 21:39.11 | critch_ | creature: you shouldn't need the headers package if you have the source. check out builddeps or something like that |
| 21:39.12 | shams | dpkg, rage |
| 21:39.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rage is http://avis.lightband.com/david/rage128-howto.html |
| 21:39.18 | malverian | creature: linux-source-2.6.17-2 |
| 21:39.20 | creature | stew - I need to modify a couple of parameters in the hostap driver that support firmware upgrades to the Prism chipset. |
| 21:39.31 | malverian | creature: Or linux-tree-2.6.17-2 depending on your needs. |
| 21:39.39 | keith80403 | critch_, OK - saved the file, ran "ifup eth1" - asked for DHCPDISCOVER several times, then failed with No DHCPOFFERS received. Waaaaah. |
| 21:39.46 | shams | too bad that link is broken |
| 21:39.53 | stew | creature: you need linux-source-2.6.17 build-essential kernel-package fakeroot |
| 21:39.56 | keith80403 | l3mr, OK, I'll check out shorewall. Thanks. |
| 21:39.57 | stew | creature: and /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:40.23 | critch_ | Back to asking, what might be possible to do to get iceape on etch? |
| 21:40.24 | keith80403 | Seven_Six_Two, I've heard of some Linux distros for the Linksys. |
| 21:40.26 | malverian | creature: linux-tree-* comes also depends on the kernel-patch-debian package so you can apply/unapply the debian patches if you want to. |
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| 21:40.44 | creature | God, this is getting complicated. |
| 21:40.45 | malverian | creature: And unlike linux-source is pre-patched with the debian patches. |
| 21:40.56 | odla | critch_, i think iceape is in experimental..why do you want it? |
| 21:41.01 | creature | I like my existing kernel. I want it just like this, but with two changed options. So I want linux-tree? |
| 21:41.02 | stew | malverian: linux-source is pre-patched with the debian patches |
| 21:41.02 | odla | critch_, why not just use mozilla? |
| 21:41.19 | critch_ | odla: because mozilla isn't in etch curently |
| 21:41.21 | malverian | stew: Ah, that's right. Sorry. |
| 21:41.30 | stew | malverian: np |
| 21:41.34 | creature | malverian: How come that the comment for linux-source-2.6.17 is "Linux kernel source for version 2.6.17 with Debian patches"? |
| 21:41.34 | odla | critch_, ok |
| 21:42.07 | creature | Ah, I see. |
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| 21:42.37 | malverian | creature: I was confused... linux-tree is only different because it depends on the kernel-patch-debian package |
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| 21:43.46 | creature | OK. |
| 21:43.47 | shams | i love choppy scrolling. |
| 21:44.08 | CharminTheMoose | what's the debian way of compiling a kernel again?do i have to do make modules and make modules install? |
| 21:44.13 | malverian | Hmmm.. I guess I can see how the package was created by 'apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-3-486' eh? |
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| 21:44.33 | creature | CharminTheMoose: You shouldn't have to make modules in 2.6 any more. |
| 21:44.55 | creature | Or is that "make dep" that's no longer required? |
| 21:44.59 | creature | Basically, you should ignore me. |
| 21:45.04 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 21:45.14 | stew | malverian: yeah, but i wouldn't recommend rebuilding that source package, you'd end up building every i386 flavor |
| 21:45.20 | creature | "make clean; make menuconfig; make dep; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --append_to_version myname kernel_image" is what I do, sometimes. |
| 21:45.39 | malverian | stew: I just want to look at the control/rules files |
| 21:45.44 | stew | yeah |
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| 21:46.00 | malverian | stew: Because I'd like to set up my own situation that builds a few 386 flavors, and x86_64 |
| 21:46.13 | malverian | stew: With the grsecurity patches of course. |
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| 21:47.10 | malverian | stew: If there's any documentation other than the source package you could point me to on doing this, I'd definitely be appreciative :) |
| 21:47.56 | bronaugh | hey |
| 21:48.12 | malverian | stew: You seem pretty knowledgeable about the ways of debian, so I assume you're a good person to ask if any. |
| 21:48.23 | malverian | I've exhausted my google search / wiki crawling skills already ;) |
| 21:48.25 | keith80403 | critch_, Working - somebody didn't plug in the cable to the new eth1 card. THANKS FOR THE HELP. |
| 21:48.27 | stew | malverian: if there was it would be in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$version/ but i dont' see any |
| 21:48.49 | malverian | stew: Alright, I guess I'll just stumble my way around as usual ;) |
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| 21:49.11 | creature | Ok, is packages.debian.org broken? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-patch-debian-2.6.17&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all returns nothing. |
| 21:50.02 | malverian | creature: use apt-cache search |
| 21:50.07 | shams | Soo...nobody has a crappy Rage 128 card with DRI working under X.org? |
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| 21:50.14 | malverian | creature: And its' "kernel-patch-debian" it has all of the patches for each supported version. |
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| 21:50.28 | shams | i've only spent a week on it so far... |
| 21:50.57 | malverian | creature: Crap.. I'm wrong again. |
| 21:51.08 | malverian | creature: Just use apt-cache though either way.. it is linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 |
| 21:51.11 | creature | malverian: Well, my apt-cache search tells me it's linux-patch-debian. |
| 21:51.20 | malverian | creature: Why not just apt-get install it then? |
| 21:51.23 | creature | The machine this is for has no net access. |
| 21:51.28 | creature | But I can copy files across to it. |
| 21:51.32 | shams | and apt-get seems to think it should uninstall 700mb of stuff to 'downgrade' back to XFree. |
| 21:51.34 | malverian | creature: It installs to /usr/src/kernel-patch/all/<version>/ |
| 21:51.40 | _flamesrock_ | does anyone know why no linux video playing software is capable of seeking short intervals in .mov files? |
| 21:51.59 | malverian | creature: Ah. |
| 21:52.12 | _flamesrock_ | also anyone know if there's a way in gmplayer or vlc to stretch the picture to fit the screen? (like in media player classic on windows) |
| 21:52.22 | malverian | creature: Can you on another machine apt-get -d ? |
| 21:52.24 | shams | _flamesrock_, press 'f' |
| 21:52.39 | _flamesrock_ | do you know what I'm talking about shams? |
| 21:52.50 | shams | nvm, you probably mean 'pan-n-scan' |
| 21:52.59 | _flamesrock_ | somtimes the picture is pseudo-widescreen |
| 21:53.10 | _flamesrock_ | with black bands on top and bottom |
| 21:53.16 | shams | that's called pan'n'scan |
| 21:53.16 | _flamesrock_ | and conforming to 4:3 |
| 21:53.19 | creature | malverian: I can, yes. What is -d? |
| 21:53.27 | malverian | creature: "download only" |
| 21:53.36 | creature | Right. Where will it put it? |
| 21:53.47 | Guerin | _flamesrock_: you have a widescreen display? Or no? |
| 21:53.58 | malverian | creature: /var/cache/apt/archives I believe |
| 21:54.16 | creature | *sigh*. |
| 21:54.22 | _flamesrock_ | yup, could never go back to 4:3 Guerin |
| 21:54.26 | Guerin | _flamesrock_: mplayer can seek short intervals, as can vlc. |
| 21:54.31 | creature | I think I need to get this machine hooked up to the internet. It's using an out of date sources list, so God knows what else has changed. |
| 21:54.52 | _flamesrock_ | in all files but .mov ones it seems |
| 21:55.06 | Guerin | _flamesrock_: nope. Works fine. |
| 21:55.20 | _flamesrock_ | maybe just the rails demos then, eh? |
| 21:55.35 | Guerin | _flamesrock_: of course, a `.mov' file is actually just mpeg-4, which mplayer understands fine |
| 21:56.03 | Guerin | it might be something broken about the file, or it might be a different container format |
| 21:56.12 | Guerin | just renamed to .mov by retards |
| 21:56.28 | _flamesrock_ | yeah, you gotta hate container formats :/ |
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| 21:56.56 | Guerin | well ... without them you don't have much use for mpeg-4 |
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| 22:00.00 | creature | Bah. No plug-in to the internet tonight for this laptop. |
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| 22:01.26 | andriijas | http://pastie.caboo.se/27458 can anyone help me with this? |
| 22:01.27 | andriijas | please |
| 22:01.52 | creature | I know routers have super-duper "Will detect crossover cables and standard cat5" ports, but do desktops/laptops have those these days too? |
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| 22:02.10 | PerfDave | creature: It's not uncommon on desktop kit these days |
| 22:02.14 | abrotman | andriijas: did you think to run apt-get -f install ? |
| 22:02.14 | Inf3rn0 | Is there a channel for hybrid ircd? |
| 22:02.18 | stew | creature: many do these days |
| 22:02.22 | Guerin | creature: i have been told so, but have never actually come across such |
| 22:02.36 | creature | PerfDave: Is there an easy way to tell? And if it doesn't, will anything get damaged? Or will it just not work? |
| 22:02.52 | PerfDave | creature: It will just not work. I suggest reading the spec for the hardware in question. |
| 22:02.57 | andriijas | abrotman: It clearly says in the paste what happens when i run that |
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| 22:03.12 | andriijas | abrotman: so yes, i did think to run it, because i already did |
| 22:03.14 | stew | Inf3rn0: /msg chanserv list #*hybrid* |
| 22:03.18 | creature | Presumably I'll get a link light if it does work, right? |
| 22:03.26 | abrotman | andriijas: paste the output of apt-get -f install |
| 22:03.30 | stew | creature: yes |
| 22:03.36 | Guerin | andriijas: aptitude search openssh # what branch of debian are you using? Looks like mixed distros to me. |
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| 22:04.07 | andriijas | abrotman: http://pastie.caboo.se/27459 |
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| 22:04.23 | stew | andriijas: apt-get remove ssh openssh-client+ openssh-server+ |
| 22:04.46 | andriijas | Guerin: i was trying to upgrade from stable to unstable |
| 22:04.51 | andriijas | with dist-upgrade |
| 22:04.59 | Guerin | ok, that's the problem |
| 22:05.03 | stew | Guerin: we've seen this a few times recently. ssh is still owning the config files |
| 22:05.05 | Guerin | stew's idea will probably fix it |
| 22:05.16 | Guerin | stew: good spotting |
| 22:05.29 | andriijas | stew: lets just hope my ssh session to the server not dies now |
| 22:05.30 | andriijas | or? |
| 22:06.03 | Guerin | it won't |
| 22:06.07 | Guerin | it should persist |
| 22:06.07 | creature | Yeah, that didn't work. :( |
| 22:06.14 | stew | andriijas: it won't die. but don't close it until you can initiate a new session after the upgrade |
| 22:06.20 | blondie | cookies! |
| 22:06.21 | stew | i should check to see if it's been filed |
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| 22:06.45 | andriijas | stew abrotman thanks for help |
| 22:06.54 | stew | actually, hmm would ssh need to be purged? |
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| 22:07.09 | andriijas | stew: dunno , your line just made it |
| 22:07.19 | andriijas | now, which is the PROPER way to do utf 8 with debian? |
| 22:07.26 | andriijas | encoding that is |
| 22:07.42 | andriijas | i dont give shit about locale (what now the difference is) |
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| 22:08.28 | Guerin | andriijas: dpkg-reconfigure locales; choose a utf-8 locale as default; then /msg dpkg extended chars and set up a compose key |
| 22:08.34 | Guerin | !extended chars |
| 22:08.34 | dpkg | [extended chars] to enter chars like ïÇô¿ or éâßñ in X, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key'". After that, you can use your rightmost windows key as a Compose key, e.g. pressing windows-key, ~, n in sequence will produce ñ or ñ, or the complete list of combinations is in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/*/Compose, where * depends on your locale (iso8859-1 is default), or similar functionality for the console can be achieved using the loadkeys command |
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| 22:10.09 | Guerin | mm, can someone with iso-8859 fix that factoid? The first block after `like' should be iso-8859 accented, the character after `produce' should be ~n as in `mañana' |
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| 22:11.09 | vlt | Hello. How can I find out what process is still using /dev/hdc? When I try to tell the kernel (2.6.15) to re-read the partiton table but I get "BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy". |
| 22:11.33 | asg | vlt: fuser or lsof |
| 22:11.51 | vlt | asg: Thanks, I'll try. |
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| 22:13.49 | cusco | dudes Im currently using alsa and dmix |
| 22:13.52 | cusco | whats the line command to play a file? |
| 22:13.55 | cusco | trhu alsa? |
| 22:14.12 | Guerin | cusco: depends on the file |
| 22:14.17 | Guerin | cusco: do you just want to test? |
| 22:14.20 | stew | cusco: aplay |
| 22:14.23 | cusco | Guerin: a.way |
| 22:14.26 | cusco | wav |
| 22:15.09 | streuner_ | bplay |
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| 22:15.34 | amphi | cusco: or mplayer if you have it |
| 22:15.41 | vlt | asg: `fuser -va /dev/hdc` tells me that no one is using /dev/hdc. There's no match in `lsof | grep hdc`. What's wrong here? |
| 22:16.28 | Inf3rn0 | Anybody want to help me with hybserv? |
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| 22:17.11 | LLcoolM | hi, i can choose between 3com 905c-tx-m and an intel etherexpress pro 100. which one works better in linux (both driver and cpu usage)? |
| 22:17.33 | Guerin | both are very well supported |
| 22:17.35 | stew | LLcoolM: they are both excellent |
| 22:17.43 | Guerin | to know for sure you'd have to benchmark them |
| 22:17.45 | LLcoolM | cpu is a little slow so i do not want realtek 8139 performance :) |
| 22:17.58 | Guerin | buy the more expensive |
| 22:18.08 | LLcoolM | Guerin: i already have both |
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| 22:18.15 | Guerin | oh, then you can test |
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| 22:18.58 | LLcoolM | one cam with an old pc and i already had the other one (bought a bunch of those etherexpress a while ago). those are both cheap and very good |
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| 22:20.33 | LLcoolM | is there a special network benchmark test program? |
| 22:20.59 | LLcoolM | or will i have to do real-world benchmarks like ftp transfer etc. |
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| 22:23.48 | andriijas | ok, how do i make iso-8859 the default locale but i want utf8 support enabled for just those apps who require it? |
| 22:24.32 | stew | andriijas: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:24.58 | andriijas | stew: selecting iso 8859 and utf8, and iso 8859 the defualt? |
| 22:25.04 | stew | yes |
| 22:25.12 | andriijas | ok, thx |
| 22:25.44 | cusco | bplay: /dev/dsp: resource busy |
| 22:25.44 | stew | sudo ip r a 192.168.22.0/24 dev ppp0 |
| 22:25.49 | stew | ewps |
| 22:25.57 | cusco | it doesn't use /etc/asound.conf? |
| 22:26.36 | stew | it appears to not use alsa |
| 22:27.42 | MUTU | how much wattage would you say a laptop's TFT would use? I found out my thin client uses up to 40W and my laptop up to 60W |
| 22:28.04 | smooc | does someone have experience with MPT fusion based systems? |
| 22:28.23 | smooc | eg a sun x4200 |
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| 22:30.20 | flixil | Hello,i am reading the debian-reference-en and i don't know whats the difference between dpkg --get-selections \* > selections.txt and dpkg --get-selections > selections2.txt... The first one is larger and have the purge files on it |
| 22:31.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:31.15 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:31.24 | stew | MUTU: my battery reports about 20w discharging with the backlight on, and about 14 with it off |
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| 22:31.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: how like? http://thebastardfairies.com/ |
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| 22:32.06 | abrotman | i'm at work .. no sound |
| 22:32.20 | MUTU | stew: so your TFT monitor uses just 6W? |
| 22:32.37 | Chiko_Medina | what chipset sound have ? |
| 22:32.42 | stew | MUTU: no idea |
| 22:33.26 | andriijas | how do i revert original /etc/environment ? |
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| 22:34.23 | MUTU | stew: thanks |
| 22:34.45 | Xaero_Vincent | I use SUSE but hate how it has so little packages.. is there a way I could get Debian and install YaST on it? |
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| 22:36.07 | cb | just use apt instead of _yast_ :) |
| 22:36.26 | Xaero_Vincent | cb, no I mean the configuration tools |
| 22:36.38 | DeathWo1f | hello all, not really debian related, but since i think it was in here that i heard of it.... anyone remembers about these carefully crafted gzip/bz2 archive that would expand into themselves and/or reccursively create bigger and bigger files? |
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| 22:37.02 | junix|work | when is Debian 4.0 coming out? |
| 22:37.05 | junix|work | this month? |
| 22:37.11 | stew | junix|work: when the rc bug count is zero |
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| 22:37.40 | MUTU | is there a Linux distro that would fit on 32MB disk space? |
| 22:37.58 | stew | MUTU: yes, ask ##linux |
| 22:38.19 | MUTU | i did, they told me to use freedos >:( |
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| 22:39.03 | smooc | mutu: of course, embedded-linux |
| 22:39.46 | MUTU | smooc: is that a distro name or a generic term? |
| 22:39.57 | Inf3rn0 | Where do log files end up? |
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| 22:40.07 | amphi | Inf3rn0: /var/log normally |
| 22:40.13 | Inf3rn0 | Thanks |
| 22:40.56 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 22:40.56 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 22:41.06 | vlt | There is no file system mounted and no swap partition used on /dev/hdc. WTF could be a reason for "BLKRRPART: Device or resource busy"? |
| 22:41.12 | slept | MUTU, ask in #debian-anarchy they might be doing good with embedded debian ot something else to use enventough they deal mor with debian onjournada / sh3 |
| 22:41.39 | MUTU | thanks slept |
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| 22:44.32 | slept | MUTU, http://www.emdebian.org/ |
| 22:45.04 | groogs_ | how can I prevent debug syslog messages from getting displayed on the console screen? |
| 22:45.39 | blondie | dmesg -n1 |
| 22:46.46 | groogs_ | blondie: thanks |
| 22:48.09 | MUTU | slept: perfect, seems that uses 32MB of memory |
| 22:48.26 | MUTU | *storage |
| 22:49.48 | tarzeau | is it wrong when amsn shows -11% ? |
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| 22:51.10 | abrotman | is that how many buddies you have ? |
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| 22:52.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: no that's some file i get transfered |
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| 22:53.18 | Roey | hello all |
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| 22:53.21 | Roey | what'sthis about |
| 22:53.23 | Roey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/2aJGQ936.html |
| 22:53.31 | Roey | gtk-gnutella gives me this weird message when I start it, and then dies. |
| 22:53.36 | Roey | I'm using the latest version. |
| 22:53.43 | Roey | (debian sid/amd64) |
| 22:53.43 | abrotman | did you read the whole message? it tells you what to do |
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| 22:54.02 | Roey | well yeah but I figured it may be some bigger thing |
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| 22:54.18 | Roey | since I didn't deliberately to screw it up |
| 22:54.29 | Roey | s/do/do anything |
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| 22:55.08 | ma3x | hi. how can I stop the 'ipv6' module from loading? I tried to blacklist it, but it still loads |
| 22:55.27 | mark_ | I added the ip address to a windows computer on the network but it wont show up in networks in the Gnome GUI |
| 22:55.39 | mark_ | I have Samba installed and working |
| 22:55.46 | peterS | whoa, a version from 2006-09-23 is now considered "ancient"? |
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| 22:55.54 | peterS | that's pretty rude |
| 22:56.10 | abrotman | i blame the svn maintainer |
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| 22:57.02 | mark_ | I added the ip address to /etc/hosts |
| 22:57.42 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 22:58.08 | mark_ | So like how do you get a windows computer to show up in the network gui thingy? |
| 22:58.30 | Guerin | !htfswk mark_ |
| 22:58.30 | dpkg | mark_: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 22:58.48 | mark_ | huh???? |
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| 22:59.15 | Guerin | mark_: how would we know what you have to do to configure a windows machine to show up on debian? |
| 22:59.24 | Guerin | ask a networking channel |
| 22:59.27 | sussudio | !confuse mark_ |
| 22:59.28 | dpkg | Yes, what are their badger yesterday, mark_? pants of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cream |
| 22:59.51 | moshii | mark_: install samba |
| 22:59.51 | Guerin | mark_: i presume you mean for filesharing? |
| 23:00.02 | mark_ | I want to configure the Debian machine so the windows machine shows up. |
| 23:00.15 | mark_ | Samba is installed. |
| 23:00.18 | Guerin | `so it shows up' means nothing |
| 23:00.22 | moshii | mark_: shows up where? |
| 23:00.25 | mark_ | I can print to a windows machine |
| 23:00.26 | blondie | in the sky |
| 23:00.57 | mark_ | When I click on computer icon and then network |
| 23:01.04 | Roey | peterS: hey now that I saw config_gnet, I understand your surprise |
| 23:01.07 | moshii | mark_: in gnome, kde, what? |
| 23:01.10 | Roey | <peterS> whoa, a version from 2006-09-23 is now considered "ancient"? |
| 23:01.12 | mark_ | GNOME |
| 23:01.12 | Roey | heh |
| 23:01.16 | PingFloyd | sounds more like a gnome configuration thing |
| 23:01.22 | blondie | it probably has to be in the same smb workgroup |
| 23:01.23 | Roey | ok |
| 23:01.24 | peterS | Roey: http://bugs.debian.org/396132 has details |
| 23:01.28 | Roey | thanks man |
| 23:01.48 | Roey | peterS: I wear, you and abrotman, infinitely helpful, thanks :) |
| 23:01.53 | dooglus | I have a USB linksys wireless network adaptor. is there any chance it might work with debian? |
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| 23:02.09 | Guerin | dooglus: what does google say? |
| 23:02.16 | Guerin | ask the oracle |
| 23:02.20 | moshii | mark_: you need to read the gnome docs and work out how it's smb browser works, if it has one |
| 23:03.14 | mark_ | Does Gnome have a newsgroup? |
| 23:03.14 | mark_ | I thought most Debian people use Gnome? |
| 23:03.20 | Guerin | mark_: they might, but most #debian people don't |
| 23:03.24 | blondie | you thought wrong probably |
| 23:03.30 | blondie | though I use it c.c |
| 23:03.38 | moshii | mark_: we all use kde :P |
| 23:03.46 | Guerin | mark_: this is generally looking like a samba question - should be standard across distros. So you might try asking #samba |
| 23:03.51 | mark_ | Isnt Gnome the default? |
| 23:04.02 | Guerin | mark_: since when do people respect the defaults? |
| 23:04.09 | moshii | mark_: the default is blinky blinky text mode |
| 23:04.11 | PingFloyd | mark_: the thing about Linux, is there are tons of WMs and DEs that anyone may possibly use |
| 23:04.36 | Guerin | blondie: blinky blinky! |
| 23:04.41 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:04.46 | Guerin | moshii: blinky blinky! |
| 23:04.58 | PingFloyd | default is VC |
| 23:05.05 | flixil | In the manual debian-reference-en y debian-reference-es thre is a difference. The en manual contains dpkg --get-selections \* > selections.txt and the es code dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt... I think it doesn't matter, do it¿ |
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| 23:05.13 | Guerin | PingFloyd: technical name for which is `blinky blinky! |
| 23:05.15 | Guerin | ' |
| 23:05.20 | moshii | PingFloyd: the thing about linux is that once the kernel's booted whether it's linux, netbsd, windows with some compat kludge on top no longer matters |
| 23:05.24 | shwag | can someone tell me how to get the setup script on phpmyadmin working? |
| 23:05.25 | peterS | flixil: try both and see what they do |
| 23:05.29 | PingFloyd | yep :) |
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| 23:05.43 | blondie | Guerin: NO MUMMY NO! |
| 23:05.46 | flixil | peterS: the difference is that first one lists purged packages and second one doesn't |
| 23:05.57 | moshii | Guerin:yeah man , I loves the blinky blinky text mode, makes me fell special |
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| 23:06.00 | moshii | *feel |
| 23:06.03 | PumpkinPie | Help me understand my iostat output? |
| 23:06.04 | PumpkinPie | Device: tps Blk_read/s Blk_wrtn/s Blk_read Blk_wrtn |
| 23:06.04 | peterS | flixil: ahh. well, it should make no real difference, then |
| 23:06.04 | PumpkinPie | sda 74.52 7478.24 64.68 3734057214 32294000 |
| 23:06.07 | flixil | does it matter for a manual to have such a tinny difference? |
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| 23:06.22 | PumpkinPie | whats Blk_read? |
| 23:06.25 | flixil | ok, i won't report it then :) |
| 23:06.27 | H2OyJaBoN | hi all! |
| 23:06.49 | Guerin | PingFloyd: reads from the block device? |
| 23:07.20 | PumpkinPie | what is 7478.24? |
| 23:07.38 | blondie | a number |
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| 23:07.39 | PingFloyd | Guerin: you mean PumpkinPie? |
| 23:07.53 | Guerin | PingFloyd: yes |
| 23:08.11 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: bytes per second? kbytes per second? |
| 23:08.16 | pickcoder | PumpkinPie: man iostat explains it all |
| 23:08.18 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: read the iostat manpage |
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| 23:12.20 | PumpkinPie | good debian package to test hard drive speed? |
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| 23:12.48 | Gr1ncheux | PumpkinPie, man hdparam |
| 23:12.55 | peterS | hdparm you mean |
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| 23:13.03 | tarzeau | PumpkinPie: badblocks |
| 23:13.20 | Gr1ncheux | peterS, yep sorry :) |
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| 23:13.24 | eXiSt | how can i remove X windows from startup? |
| 23:13.30 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 23:13.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 23:14.44 | PumpkinPie | hdparm seems to only bench the hard drive's buffer |
| 23:14.46 | Caelum | what are the debian tools for pushing updates to multiple machines called? |
| 23:14.57 | PumpkinPie | hdparm says "testing buffer speed" |
| 23:15.08 | Caelum | PumpkinPie: bonnie |
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| 23:16.42 | jokester | stupid question : anyone program c++ ? what ide do you use ? |
| 23:17.11 | blondie | vim |
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| 23:17.46 | LnxSlck | jokester: eclipse |
| 23:18.08 | jokester | i know |
| 23:18.18 | jokester | but its taking like way to much memory |
| 23:18.30 | pickcoder | systat won't run as daemon for some reason |
| 23:19.03 | jokester | btw is debug really work now in cdt ? |
| 23:19.23 | Guerin | jokester: emacs |
| 23:19.29 | Caelum | I've heard good things about kdevelop, too |
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| 23:19.48 | Guerin | it depends if you want a tool or a toy |
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| 23:20.01 | pickcoder | I use a text editor as well |
| 23:20.08 | PingFloyd | vi works pretty good |
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| 23:20.24 | PingFloyd | if you want light weight on memory |
| 23:20.27 | pickcoder | I get caught up in making IDEs do what they need to do |
| 23:20.35 | pickcoder | instead of writing code |
| 23:21.04 | jokester | emacs i have it installed but its pretty hard to learn the combinations |
| 23:21.11 | Guerin | jokester: not really |
| 23:21.20 | Guerin | jokester: they all have a long-version which is easy to remember |
| 23:21.35 | Guerin | and chances are you only need a few anyhow |
| 23:21.39 | jokester | Guerin: do you have the cross ref tool too ? |
| 23:21.53 | Caelum | ctags :) |
| 23:22.01 | Guerin | jokester: I don't code c++ |
| 23:22.05 | jokester | oh |
| 23:22.14 | Guerin | I mostly use it for TeX and XML |
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| 23:22.24 | jokester | ctags is all i need to install then Caelum ? |
| 23:22.47 | peterS | ctags does little by itself, only generates an index which can be used by vi |
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| 23:23.03 | Caelum | emacs can use the index too |
| 23:23.06 | peterS | it's not a full cross-ref index, either, just shows where _definitions_ are |
| 23:23.12 | jokester | i used a xref or something tool but i heard it wasn't free |
| 23:23.26 | peterS | Caelum: emacs uses a different index, generated by etags. exuberant-ctags can emulate etags though. |
| 23:23.27 | Caelum | emacs has an OO browser for c++ and Java |
| 23:23.28 | jokester | that's the other thing i hated about eclipse |
| 23:23.33 | jokester | the indexer sucked |
| 23:23.41 | jokester | pardon my french |
| 23:24.03 | Guerin | since when was `sucked' french? |
| 23:24.17 | jokester | it's an expression |
| 23:24.22 | peterS | l'indexer suckait |
| 23:24.23 | Caelum | it's freedom! |
| 23:24.24 | Guerin | yeah |
| 23:24.25 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:24.36 | pickcoder | my box from Monarch still has no been built |
| 23:24.43 | PingFloyd | since when was 'sucked' considered something needed pardoning? |
| 23:24.45 | Guerin | but that's arguably the mildest term of distatste ever employed in #debian |
| 23:24.53 | pickcoder | it's been 4 days shy of a month |
| 23:25.03 | jokester | lol |
| 23:25.12 | peterS | pickcoder: they're waiting for component prices to go down (: |
| 23:25.17 | pickcoder | funny |
| 23:25.31 | pickcoder | their sales mailbox is full too |
| 23:25.34 | pickcoder | grrr |
| 23:25.38 | pickcoder | voicemail box |
| 23:25.41 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:25.47 | Guerin | why are you buying from these people |
| 23:25.54 | pickcoder | b/c they're one day from me |
| 23:25.57 | Guerin | cancel your order immediately and GO TO THE SHOP |
| 23:25.57 | pickcoder | shipping wise |
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| 23:26.05 | pickcoder | I don't have a SHOP |
| 23:26.12 | pickcoder | the closest shop is Best Buy |
| 23:26.20 | Guerin | why is `closest' relevant? |
| 23:26.22 | pickcoder | which is not where I like to buy server parts |
| 23:26.29 | Guerin | surely you live in a town with some computers for sale? |
| 23:26.35 | pickcoder | nope |
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| 23:26.48 | PingFloyd | go to the next town |
| 23:26.53 | pickcoder | all of the big PC stores stopped making custom systems |
| 23:27.04 | PingFloyd | or use an online vendor that dependable |
| 23:27.05 | Guerin | is this one of those `i live in the US and am 100 miles out of town in a suburban wasteland' things? |
| 23:27.11 | pickcoder | the closest "town" is about 4.5 hours away |
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| 23:27.31 | pickcoder | ok.. well Raleigh is about 2.5 hours |
| 23:27.51 | Guerin | pickcoder: you don't have any need for a server in your cave in the ozarks |
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| 23:28.27 | teledyn | cotton, soy, or corn? |
| 23:28.27 | pickcoder | I normally buy from Insight, but I got in a bind the last time I ordered parts |
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| 23:28.37 | eduhat | hey guys |
| 23:28.38 | Guerin | man |
| 23:28.41 | pickcoder | they dropship everything |
| 23:28.56 | Guerin | 4.5 hours from here I'm either halfway down or halfway up the country |
| 23:29.14 | pickcoder | I actually live in a small metro area |
| 23:29.16 | eduhat | what do i do after installing debian, i have just logged in for the first time... |
| 23:29.24 | Guerin | pickcoder: ... without any computer shops |
| 23:29.25 | pickcoder | but it's all yuppy retired people |
| 23:29.25 | peterS | Guerin: 18 hours driving time from tip to tip, then? |
| 23:29.35 | pickcoder | and a college |
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| 23:29.40 | pickcoder | yup |
| 23:29.41 | jokester | you enjoy eduhat |
| 23:29.42 | PingFloyd | funny how the definitions of metro are different in different places |
| 23:29.45 | pickcoder | most of them closed due to a lack of business |
| 23:29.48 | Guerin | peterS: i know people who've done it in 1.5 days, yeah |
| 23:29.50 | pickcoder | everyone orders online |
| 23:30.09 | pickcoder | fedex and UPS fly parcels out of the airport here |
| 23:30.11 | Caelum | eduhat: probably run tasksel |
| 23:30.15 | Guerin | god, the US sounds horrible |
| 23:30.19 | pickcoder | as well as I-40 stops here |
| 23:30.39 | Guerin | pickcoder: how many people, ish? |
| 23:30.40 | PingFloyd | Guerin: not everyone in the US lives in BF Egypt |
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| 23:30.45 | jokester | its not that bad Guerin but its no france either ;) |
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| 23:30.51 | teledyn | not even a walmart? what the heck? |
| 23:31.01 | pickcoder | we have 3 wal-marts and a Cosco |
| 23:31.02 | peterS | teledyn: and you buy your servers from walmart, then? |
| 23:31.11 | pickcoder | but only 1 or 2 small PC stores |
| 23:31.15 | eduhat | jokester: i kow that, but what do i need, i obviosly want fluxbox and xfce |
| 23:31.17 | pickcoder | that don't carry server hardware |
| 23:31.18 | Guerin | PingFloyd: no, but you all live so far from everything that you have to basically lay in provisions if you want to go to the movies |
| 23:31.20 | teledyn | peterS: lol. i wish. |
| 23:31.24 | eduhat | Caelum: what is tasksel? |
| 23:31.28 | jokester | you have x ? |
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| 23:31.32 | peterS | teledyn: well, that's what we're talking about, pickcoder can't buy a server locally |
| 23:31.38 | teledyn | peterS: though they do carry linux systems |
| 23:31.42 | pickcoder | I thought about opening one, but hell.. the other ones went outta business.. <g> |
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| 23:32.04 | Guerin | jokester: what's france like? |
| 23:32.16 | PingFloyd | Guerin: that's only when you get to the parts that are out in the middle of nowhere |
| 23:32.19 | teledyn | a server for where? is there a colo in the cornfield? |
| 23:32.19 | jokester | quite nice i guess |
| 23:32.34 | krychu | hi, how can i check whether i have 'testing' or 'stable' version of debian? /etc/apt/sources.list lists stable sources but i know that admin edited this file so i'm not sure whether it's stable or testing |
| 23:32.38 | Guerin | PingFloyd: and the sprawling burbs of doom. |
| 23:32.51 | Guerin | there are a few parts of NZ which are becoming burb-ised |
| 23:32.53 | jokester | better than pittsburgh that's for sure |
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| 23:33.02 | Caelum | eduhat: it's for selecting sets of packages to install |
| 23:33.25 | peterS | jokester: oh, I dunno, in pittsburgh you're allowed to use strong encryption without a license from the government |
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| 23:33.37 | XYZZZ | Anyone know anything about dual monitors on dual video cards? |
| 23:33.37 | jokester | there are other alternatives but that is probably the best for non x |
| 23:33.47 | XYZZZ | I'm in a real conundrum |
| 23:33.56 | jokester | yeah but you're not allowed to drink whenever you want |
| 23:34.10 | XYZZZ | /etc/X11/xorg.conf has been kicking my butt for hours now |
| 23:34.14 | jokester | i'll give encryption away for some beer most of the time... |
| 23:34.24 | peterS | ugh, beer |
| 23:34.34 | eduhat | Caelum: allright, got that... what do i need to install for fluxbox? |
| 23:34.35 | XYZZZ | http://pastebin.ca/278238 |
| 23:34.43 | amphi | jokester: has anyone been prosecuted in .fr for using things like gpg? |
| 23:34.50 | pickcoder | from what I gathered, talking to store owners.. the biggest problem with stocking server hardware is the fact that no one ever wants what you stock. They always want a specific model that you don't have. |
| 23:34.50 | XYZZZ | There's the text of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 23:34.59 | XYZZZ | If anyone can figure it out, please let me know |
| 23:35.17 | ryan` | does anyone know of a program to automaticly lock and idle termnial? |
| 23:35.20 | jokester | probably apt-get fluxbox |
| 23:35.24 | ryan` | er, and idle shell? |
| 23:35.26 | teledyn | XYZZZ: just a tip - the xorg channel might be able to better help. or just googling for some example xorg configs |
| 23:35.27 | Caelum | eduhat: apt-get update; apt-get install fluxbox |
| 23:35.37 | krychu | how can i check whether i have 'testing' or 'stable' version of debian? |
| 23:35.37 | peterS | amphi: I imagine it's one of those things like carrying unlicensed firearms in the US - you're mostly prosecuted if you're a suspected criminal picked up for some other reason |
| 23:35.40 | Caelum | ryan`: screen |
| 23:35.54 | jokester | haven't done this from console in a while :P |
| 23:35.55 | ryan` | Caelum: I don't want to use screen for this. |
| 23:35.56 | XYZZZ | Googled for about ten hours, checked everything |
| 23:36.08 | XYZZZ | No guides help, at this point |
| 23:36.12 | amphi | peterS: yeah, selectively enforced |
| 23:36.17 | XYZZZ | I'm on PPC, too, if that makes a difference |
| 23:36.18 | PingFloyd | peterS: depends on the firearm and the state |
| 23:36.25 | jokester | eduhat: also a good idea is apt-get install synaptic |
| 23:36.26 | Caelum | ryan`: there's no other way |
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| 23:36.58 | eduhat | Caelum: wont i also need to be installing xserver or any of that? also xorg or xfree86 |
| 23:37.07 | teledyn | XYZZZ: i don't know, i've never tried it. but can you get each card to run seperately? |
| 23:37.11 | jokester | magic of apt |
| 23:37.13 | peterS | PingFloyd: certainly |
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| 23:37.23 | Caelum | ryan`: unless you want to run a job to kill idle users |
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| 23:37.27 | jokester | eduhat: magic of apt |
| 23:37.34 | eduhat | jokester: kewl |
| 23:37.39 | jokester | it installs what you need automatically :) |
| 23:37.41 | PingFloyd | peterS: that's about the only thing I like about TX is that they're not a bunch of pansy's about gun laws |
| 23:37.51 | peterS | heh |
| 23:38.02 | jokester | eduhat: synaptic is your friend! ;) |
| 23:38.11 | PingFloyd | otherwise, I don't much like it here compared to where I grew up |
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| 23:38.31 | peterS | PingFloyd: I'm surprised kansas is so far behind the rest of the country - we only get concealed carry starting in 2007 |
| 23:38.41 | pickcoder | 07? |
| 23:38.42 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:38.51 | Guerin | peterS: man, you guys must hate freedom. |
| 23:38.51 | ryan` | Caelum: So... you'd have to either patch bash or run bash inside some other program to get that functionality? |
| 23:39.13 | teledyn | lol Guerin |
| 23:39.14 | peterS | Guerin: well, it's the law _now_, taking effect in January, I'm just surprised most other states beat us to it |
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| 23:39.26 | xpato | maybe someone can help me here |
| 23:39.29 | PumpkinPie | I have something using up all of my disk i/o and I dont know what it is, Ive checked top and theres nothing using a lot of CPU or ram |
| 23:39.34 | Caelum | ryan`: screen is definitely worth learning |
| 23:39.39 | PumpkinPie | how can I check the i/o that processes are using |
| 23:39.53 | xpato | i have a sco cobol app that im runnig on debian, but im having problem with the arrows keys to work |
| 23:39.58 | ryan` | Caelum: I know how to use screen. It uses too much memory. |
| 23:40.00 | eduhat | Caelum: how do i start up fluxbox? |
| 23:40.14 | PingFloyd | peterS: The funny about here, is I never need to worry about anyone ever messing with my property. It's just not something people do around here. |
| 23:40.20 | xpato | any idea how can resolv this? |
| 23:40.29 | Guerin | xpato: complain to sco |
| 23:40.31 | peterS | xpato: I think it's safe to say nobody in this channel is running cobol apps on debian :/ |
| 23:40.34 | Caelum | eduhat: startx (ctrl+alt+backspace if it doesn't work) |
| 23:40.37 | Guerin | xpato: tell them their shit is shit |
| 23:40.57 | ryan` | At least, too much memory in some situations. |
| 23:41.01 | teledyn | PumpkinPie: i don't know of a way |
| 23:41.22 | teledyn | PumpkinPie: maybe try shutting stuff down one at a time... |
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| 23:41.28 | peterS | xpato: if you can figure out what escape sequence the cobol app is expecting for each arrow key, you can adjust your keymap appropriately |
| 23:41.39 | maxamillion | is there any way to make aptitude search package discriptions? |
| 23:41.43 | peterS | xpato: assuming you can't fix the cobol runtime itself, which is probably what's really at fault |
| 23:41.51 | eduhat | Caelum: it says that it is unable to connect to X server (i installed dibain through the net-inst cd) |
| 23:43.19 | Caelum | eduhat: it sounds like you should start with tasksel, and once you know a little more about Debian, play with changing your window manager and such |
| 23:43.55 | eduhat | iight |
| 23:44.08 | jokester | it's not that complicated |
| 23:44.20 | jokester | install what you need eduhat and it will work |
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| 23:45.00 | Caelum | eduhat: the xserver package is called "xorg" btw |
| 23:45.09 | eduhat | Caelum: oh okay |
| 23:45.17 | eduhat | i installed the Desktop Environment |
| 23:45.18 | dooglus | it appears that my wireless adaptor will work with ndiswrapper - but there's no ndiswrapper-modules package available for unstable? |
| 23:45.31 | peterS | xpato: if you're running this app in a linux console window (not in graphics mode), you can play with keyboard mapping by editing /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz and applying it with 'loadkeys /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz' |
| 23:45.57 | xpato | mm |
| 23:46.02 | xpato | cheking |
| 23:46.09 | PingFloyd | or ditch the app since it's sco |
| 23:46.25 | xpato | not for now, but this is the first step |
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| 23:46.50 | PingFloyd | trying to migrate away from it? |
| 23:46.56 | xpato | yes |
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| 23:47.37 | ryoohki | anyone here knowledgable concerning the lvm? |
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| 23:47.52 | blondie | !anyone |
| 23:47.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:47.54 | blondie | !root |
| 23:47.54 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 23:49.20 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 23:50.32 | ryoohki | i want to assign a lv name to a lv which has no lvm name |
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| 23:50.52 | krychu | how can i check whether i have 'testing' or 'stable' version of debian? without looking into /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:51.06 | ryoohki | sorry - a volume name - not a lv |
| 23:51.12 | dendrite | krychu: apt-cache policy |
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| 23:51.28 | stew | krychu: compare the installed version from "dpkg -l libc6" to available versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 23:51.29 | ryoohki | pvdisplay shows volume name is blank |
| 23:51.31 | Reality-X | sup ppl |
| 23:51.37 | efaistos | for mailing lists with spamassassin should I use whitelist_from, whitelist_to or whitelist_from_rcvd ? |
| 23:51.49 | dendrite | krychu: Or look at /etc/debian_version |
| 23:52.00 | Reality-X | whats the command to add a server to the system-v init system? |
| 23:52.05 | Reality-X | service* |
| 23:52.07 | krychu | thanks |
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| 23:52.22 | Sashi | a question |
| 23:52.23 | xpato | peterS: You know another way? |
| 23:52.37 | Sashi | how do i install Windows Media Player Plugins in firefox? |
| 23:52.41 | Sashi | so it will play sound |
| 23:52.45 | Sashi | and video |
| 23:52.50 | blondie | maybe you run windows |
| 23:52.58 | Sashi | lol.. |
| 23:52.59 | dendrite | Reality-X: update-rc.d |
| 23:53.16 | peterS | xpato: I don't know anything about your app except that (a) it is from SCO and (b) it is written in COBOL |
| 23:53.21 | Reality-X | dendrite, k i've been trying this and it doesnt seem to be working, update-rc.d ssh default |
| 23:53.22 | peterS | since that is all you told us about it |
| 23:53.27 | blondie | I shouldn't have thought those things were available in debian |
| 23:53.38 | peterS | I don't know if it's a GUI app, or uses a console window, or uses its own console from a cobol runtime, or uses a 3270 emulator, or what |
| 23:53.49 | Reality-X | the ssh script is in /etc/init.d as well |
| 23:53.52 | peterS | so I can't help you any further |
| 23:53.59 | stew | Reality-X: can you be more specific than "doesn't seem to be working"? |
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| 23:54.15 | xpato | peterS: its a rmcobol runtime and im running the sco binary with linux-abi |
| 23:54.31 | Reality-X | as in, when i issue the command, all i get back is the same as if i did update-rc.d --help |
| 23:54.39 | dendrite | Reality-X: Well, first off, it would be update-rc.d ssh defaults ... |
| 23:54.52 | xpato | its a console windows, today is used throug telnet |
| 23:54.58 | stew | Reality-X: defaults not default |
| 23:55.07 | Reality-X | doh |
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| 23:55.44 | peterS | xpato: most terminal emulators have ways to override key mapping, one way or another. pick one and read about it. but first figure out what escape sequences your runtime expects to see for the several arrow keys |
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| 23:56.15 | tosh| | any way of setting the umask of mails written to file by postfix to a maildir? |
| 23:56.48 | Reality-X | dendrite, this should set it so that it starts on bootup correct |
| 23:57.14 | dendrite | Reality-X: The man page should help you understand... But the install of sshd should have already done this. |
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| 23:57.53 | dendrite | xpato: Don't know much about what you're doing, but have you looked into x3270 or similar programs? |
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| 23:58.21 | XYZZZ | Anyone running PPC Debian? |
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| 23:58.37 | streuner_ | #debianppc |
| 23:58.46 | streuner_ | most likely |
| 23:58.51 | peterS | XYZZZ: you don't care if anyone is running PPC Debian. you only ask that because you really have some _other_ question you want to ask. so just go ahead and ask that. |
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| 23:59.23 | PingFloyd | !anyone |
| 23:59.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
