| 00:00.24 | thelostbutler | madriss: nah, just run base-config as streuner recommened and it will take care of downloading on the the packages that need to be downloaded |
| 00:00.24 | streuner | apt-get install kde wouldn't install x-window-system-(core)... |
| 00:00.25 | rahul | streuner: because it doesn't need that |
| 00:00.26 | madriss | oki but i already downloaded them |
| 00:00.26 | madriss | then reboot it during install lol |
| 00:00.38 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You need to show him about /msg dpkg install kde ;-) |
| 00:00.38 | rahul | streuner: does firefox install apache? |
| 00:00.43 | streuner | rahul: nah, you don't need X in order to run KDE? :-P |
| 00:00.57 | streuner | rahul: KDE doesn't install X |
| 00:00.58 | rahul | streuner: you need an X _server_ for it to connect to |
| 00:01.00 | thelostbutler | madriss: yes and apt-get will recognize that the files are already downloaded and automatically use them |
| 00:01.07 | rahul | streuner: firefox doesn't install apache |
| 00:01.08 | madriss | ok great hope so! |
| 00:01.10 | madriss | thanks |
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| 00:01.17 | rahul | streuner: what's your point? |
| 00:01.21 | streuner | rahul: ok, we agree on that one :-) |
| 00:01.31 | DavidProck1982 | humm well ive dont the detup with out doing the desktop enviroment gause i did not want gnome so at the prompt i did aptitude install kde then i ren kdm |
| 00:01.31 | madriss | also every time i reboot i have to set the resolv.conf back to 4.2.2.2 annoying |
| 00:01.38 | rahul | why should installing a client install the server, too? |
| 00:01.54 | itchi | DavidProck1982: No, it's just about the 3 diff metapackages about kde |
| 00:01.59 | DavidProck1982 | sorry for all the typo's |
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| 00:02.19 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Maybe he not like tons of apps installed |
| 00:02.38 | DavidProck1982 | itchi here is what i eas going to ask |
| 00:02.45 | DavidProck1982 | well i use that fglrx-driver, The game i play it makes the graphics show the way thier supposed to, But i get zero FPS and i was reading that if u dont compile the driver with the same version of ((what ever it was talking about)) that your kernel was compiled in, that the driver will work, And that you will have No 3D Support, And i was reading that it best to recompile your kerrnel to get it to work, So im asking does any one |
| 00:03.29 | itchi | DavidProck1982: I have not understand |
| 00:03.29 | rahul | !tell DavidProck1982 about module-assistant |
| 00:04.18 | DavidProck1982 | rahul i know all about module assistant listen.... |
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| 00:04.33 | rahul | !tell DavidProck1982 about make-kpkg |
| 00:04.43 | streuner | !tell rahul about stfu |
| 00:04.46 | rahul | ok, fine, recompile your kernel. it's fun anyway |
| 00:04.53 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You not need to recompile the kernel |
| 00:04.56 | madriss | ah whats that edit file command again? begins with an n lol |
| 00:05.03 | rahul | nlol? |
| 00:05.04 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Sorry, my English is not yet right, and i mostly fail if i need to decode some English typo's |
| 00:05.06 | streuner | nano |
| 00:05.10 | DavidProck1982 | the kernel was aaaahhh fuckit i dont know how to explane what im going to say |
| 00:05.10 | madriss | thats it cheers :$ |
| 00:05.22 | streuner | madriss: do you want fool us? |
| 00:05.39 | madriss | huh |
| 00:05.41 | bintut | how can i install xgl from etch? |
| 00:05.48 | streuner | you can't |
| 00:05.53 | streuner | xgl isn't in etch |
| 00:05.54 | itchi | bintut: Wait |
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| 00:06.00 | DavidProck1982 | ok then just for fun i want the latest kernel got would i set the hole thing up |
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| 00:06.14 | streuner | itchi: for eastern and white christmas? |
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| 00:06.42 | itchi | streuner: hehe, eeuhm, i dunno, i have patience :-) |
| 00:06.58 | streuner | yeah, its all up about 'xgl' itself |
| 00:07.17 | rahul | DavidProck1982: the bot told you what you need to do |
| 00:07.30 | madriss | its installing it again now thanks for ur help :) |
| 00:07.34 | DavidProck1982 | been ther done that still 0 FPS |
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| 00:07.49 | streuner | bintut: /msg dpkg beryl |
| 00:08.25 | madriss | ok i chose to set up desktop environment, then it came up general type of mail configuration. i chose local delivery only. then it said restarting MTA: exim4. now i got command prompt again |
| 00:08.26 | itchi | hhhmm, need to try it |
| 00:08.43 | bintut | streuner: i have beryl installed.. i need an xserver-xgl package because aiglx doesn't work with fglrx driver |
| 00:08.48 | streuner | bintut: you'll find there an URL where you get some debs, just follow the instructions and pray ;-) |
| 00:09.03 | streuner | hm |
| 00:09.29 | itchi | Work beryl (and related) stuff only with ATI? |
| 00:09.48 | streuner | according to bintut? |
| 00:09.48 | krazykit | itchi, no, it barely works with ati |
| 00:10.04 | enouf | itchi: no .. the fglxr stuff |
| 00:10.23 | plugwash | madriss what does dpkg -l xdm kdm gdm say? |
| 00:10.23 | DavidProck1982 | brb' |
| 00:10.25 | itchi | hhhm, arg, need to move then, for later then :-p |
| 00:10.59 | madriss | it's ok i think i found what i did wrong now :) sorry about that im new to all this |
| 00:11.24 | bintut | streuner: what do you mean? |
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| 00:11.46 | streuner | bintut: it rarely work for ATI? |
| 00:11.53 | moparisthebest | I have a webserver running debian stable, and I log into ssh and run a java program, but when I close the shell the java program exits |
| 00:12.01 | moparisthebest | is there a way to make it keep running somehow? |
| 00:12.19 | streuner | bintut: iam too lame to use nvidia-glx to find out if beryl works here... |
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| 00:12.50 | bintut | streuner: aiglx doesn't support fglrx driver.. xgl does |
| 00:13.14 | streuner | bintut: well, xgl isn't in debian |
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| 00:14.40 | bintut | streuner: yeah.. i don't know why.. :( |
| 00:14.43 | thelostbutler | moparisthebest: run screen , run java program, exit screen. |
| 00:14.51 | bintut | brb |
| 00:15.03 | streuner | bintut: because 'gravity' thinks xgl is too beta |
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| 00:15.07 | moparisthebest | thats what I did thelostbutler but the program exits after I exit the screen |
| 00:15.43 | itchi | moparisthebest: You need to detach the screen session ctrl+a d |
| 00:16.30 | itchi | moparisthebest: But if you press that X (close) button on the right top corner of an vt, it still runs in background |
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| 00:17.07 | moparisthebest | I am supposed to detach the screen after I start the program? |
| 00:17.07 | plugwash | itchi before telling someone to use screen it might be an idea to explain what screen is |
| 00:17.40 | itchi | plugwash: He can look what it is, i not need to fish for him |
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| 00:17.52 | thelostbutler | moparisthebest: yes. then there is nohup prograname & which should also workd |
| 00:18.31 | itchi | moparisthebest: Maybe can this help you http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=105 |
| 00:18.32 | enouf | throws some flounders about randomly |
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| 00:19.07 | itchi | enouf: :-p |
| 00:19.25 | enouf | :-) |
| 00:19.30 | cld2 | when I go to install xserver-xorg from backports with apt-get it talks about these suggested and recommended packages, is there a way to have those isntalled also? |
| 00:19.35 | karsten | enouf: I'm going to a Founders' Banquet tonight... |
| 00:20.00 | enouf | sounds yummy karsten |
| 00:20.08 | karsten | enouf: Um. Wups. |
| 00:20.09 | plugwash | using --with-reccomends on the command line will install reccomended packages as well as depended on ones |
| 00:20.11 | karsten | enouf: I lied. |
| 00:20.24 | enouf | !troutsmite karsten |
| 00:20.25 | moparisthebest | I think I see what you mean now itchi , trying it now |
| 00:20.26 | cld2 | plugwash: thanks. same thing for suggested? |
| 00:20.33 | enouf | bah |
| 00:20.42 | plugwash | dunno but suggested packages should generally be viewed with more caution anyway |
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| 00:20.56 | cld2 | ok, thanks. |
| 00:21.00 | PaSurf | krazykit: how would I look at the debian file system from a live cd? |
| 00:21.10 | itchi | moparisthebest: It's realy easy to use, just maybe a bit confussing in begin, and man page is a bit big :-) |
| 00:21.13 | multi_io | after having compiled the debian kernel a few days ago, I've now changed some config options and I'm re-running fakeroot make-kpkg --us --uc buildpackage. It finishes without doing anything, i.e. it creates no new debian packages. Why is this? |
| 00:21.18 | karsten | plugwash: I say throw caution to the winds. |
| 00:21.27 | karsten | plugwash: ... but remember, throw cautions _downwind_. |
| 00:21.39 | enouf | PaSurf: mkdir /mnt/whatever then chroot into it |
| 00:21.48 | itchi | moparisthebest: man screen And read it completely :-) :-) |
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| 00:22.08 | moparisthebest | yep, I will, thanks :) |
| 00:22.29 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: fdisk -l shows you the partitions. then mount the required partition on /mnt |
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| 00:22.37 | Guerin | multi_io: follow the instructions in kp mantra |
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| 00:22.56 | PaSurf | K, I am just having trouble locating the drives on the system from the livecd |
| 00:23.08 | enouf | moparisthebest: you can alsi relegate an app directly to the background using 'command &' .. man bash IIRC |
| 00:23.21 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: fdisk -l /dev/sda or fdisk -l /dev/hda should work |
| 00:24.12 | plugwash | the simplest soloution that i've found actually works for leaving stuff running is to use & in bash and then make sure you use exit to leave the ssh session |
| 00:24.53 | itchi | plugwash: You need to learn about screen ;-) |
| 00:25.27 | plugwash | itchi i might sometime, though start-stop-daemon seems equally clean and simpler |
| 00:25.39 | Guerin | except screen is far more useful |
| 00:25.39 | itchi | plugwash: Simply than that could be not: screen irssi for example |
| 00:26.14 | multi_io | !kp |
| 00:26.14 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 00:26.31 | multi_io | !kp mantra |
| 00:26.32 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 00:26.34 | itchi | !tell multi_io -about selftell |
| 00:26.35 | plugwash | imo using screen is only worthwhile if you actually wan't to run a program that was meant to be interactive all the time |
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| 00:27.27 | plugwash | my favorite method for stuff that is meant to run in the background though is to fork and drop the controling tty within the app itself |
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| 00:27.33 | plugwash | so the user doesn't have to do anything |
| 00:28.17 | sphenxes | i have downloaded Suse.10.2 iso using metalink. How can I add the iso to ktorrent in order that other users can uploaded from my ktorrent? |
| 00:28.35 | multi_io | so I'm supposed to clean everything before re-compiling the kernel? |
| 00:28.48 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: The disks where in a swraid. When I do the fdisk -l /dev/md2 or md2 I get nothing. |
| 00:29.11 | thelostbutler | multi |
| 00:30.09 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: you do not do /dev/md2. you do paritition listing for the disk only . what cat /proc/mdstat tell you |
| 00:30.23 | itchi | multi_io: yes, make-kpkg clean |
| 00:30.25 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: you do not do fdisk -l /dev/md2. you do paritition listing for the disk only . what cat /proc/mdstat tell you |
| 00:30.40 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: no such file or directory |
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| 00:31.11 | enouf | PaSurf: check dmesg for clues ,ayve |
| 00:31.22 | enouf | maybe* |
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| 00:33.59 | thelostbutler | folks, i have a dvd of which I need to make a backup of and burn it later. would dd if=/dev/dvd of=/tmp/dvd.iso work ? |
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| 00:34.23 | Guerin | thelostbutler: yes, but it'll be slow |
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| 00:34.39 | Guerin | thelostbutler: try specifying BS=100M or something |
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| 00:35.09 | plugwash | Guerin thats probablly overdoing it on the blocksize |
| 00:35.25 | thelostbutler | Guerin: aah okay |
| 00:35.30 | Guerin | plugwash: yeah, just a randomly large number |
| 00:35.30 | thelostbutler | thanks |
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| 00:36.07 | Guerin | plugwash: what are the collateral effects of a big blocksize? |
| 00:36.14 | plugwash | it probablly depends on the drive but i'd say about 128K or so is reasonable, more will just waste ram for little or no perfomance gain |
| 00:36.24 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 00:36.48 | PaSurf | enouf: I think that is only showing the ubuntu messages right? |
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| 00:37.33 | PaSurf | So, basically what I think happened is I ran tar on the drive and possibly tar the boot partition...???? Is that possible? |
| 00:38.01 | enouf | dmesg is the system boot messages and sometimes event messages (like hotplugging devices/etc) |
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| 00:38.46 | enouf | PaSurf: is /boot on it's own partition? |
| 00:38.49 | PaSurf | enouf: I am using the live CD |
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| 00:39.33 | PaSurf | enouf: when I created the arrays I had / on one array, /boot on another, and /swap on the last |
| 00:39.35 | enouf | PaSurf: ok .. and .. i guess you mean the ubuntu livecd .. and? |
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| 00:39.50 | Entrophy | http://www.KnightsDivine.net/support.php?uid=y20w75 |
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| 00:40.18 | PaSurf | enouf: would I get error messages from trying to access the underlying os from the messages in the live cd? |
| 00:41.16 | PaSurf | or in the messages? So if there where errors trying to read the local harddrives would the livecd report them in the messages? |
| 00:41.36 | PaSurf | at this time I can't even see the harddrives.. |
| 00:41.48 | enouf | PaSurf: don't know .. try it and see .. what does 'mount' and cat /etc/mtab tell you .. likely not much .. |
| 00:42.14 | enouf | PaSurf: ahh .yeah .. depending on hoe you set them up .. also using LVM? |
| 00:42.22 | enouf | how* |
| 00:42.47 | verbose | in /etc/apt/sources.list is there any difference between putting "etch" or "testing" or do they both point to the same thing? |
| 00:43.19 | PaSurf | enouf: no LVM, but cat etc/mtab are showing different directories (/sys, devpts, udev, varrun, ) |
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| 00:43.24 | dvs | verbose: they point to the same thing right now, but they wont a month from now |
| 00:43.31 | enouf | PaSurf: see if the HDDs are initialized in dmesg .. grep for sda .. hda |
| 00:43.36 | verbose | dvs: ok |
| 00:44.30 | enouf | PaSurf: right .. those are normal .. perhaps try mounting /proc .. |
| 00:44.48 | PaSurf | enouf: it is showing the attached drives as sd scsi generic |
| 00:44.55 | bintut | anyone cares to check this link ==> http://paste.debian.net/18011 |
| 00:45.01 | pppoe_dude | is setting up ipw2200 too tricky on testing? i remember i had to do it a while ago on 3.1 and it wasn't the least tricky |
| 00:45.13 | pppoe_dude | but there was a good guide somewhere... although i lost the link |
| 00:45.25 | cydork | pppoe_dude: nope it's tricky at all. |
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| 00:45.38 | streuner | bintut: just ask in #debian-amd64 |
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| 00:46.01 | PaSurf | enouf: when try to mount /proc "mount: can't find mnt/proc in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 00:46.04 | cydork | pppoe_dude: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 00:46.10 | DavidProck1982 | im back |
| 00:46.10 | pppoe_dude | cydork, thnx |
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| 00:46.17 | cydork | pppoe_dude: so you just have to get the firmware. :) |
| 00:46.19 | DavidProck1982 | did i miss any thing |
| 00:46.30 | DavidProck1982 | directed tword me |
| 00:47.55 | DavidProck1982 | how do i get ans setup the latest kernel |
| 00:48.17 | dvs | !tell DavidProck1982 about kp |
| 00:48.35 | stoned | hi |
| 00:48.40 | dvs | stoned: bye! |
| 00:49.01 | stoned | !popcon |
| 00:49.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 00:49.31 | IronM | !tell IronM about kp |
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| 00:50.15 | cydork | !tell IronM -about msg the bot |
| 00:50.50 | enouf | PaSurf: hrm .. don't want to steer you wrong .. so I'll refrain .. I'm just not sure |
| 00:51.01 | IronM | thanks cydork ! .. I am new here |
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| 00:52.38 | a1 | ola :) |
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| 00:52.55 | IronM | hola al *g* |
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| 00:53.35 | enouf | PaSurf: I haven't had to mount softraid arrays from a livecd .. but if you manage to make a correct mkdir /mnt/point for / .. you can then chroot into it .. may need device mapper? .. or mdadm? .. dunno ofr sure |
| 00:53.45 | Decepticon | where can i check out the packages repository that will out for etch? |
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| 00:54.15 | enouf | Decepticon: packages.debian.org .. |
| 00:55.05 | Decepticon | how do i distinguish between sarge packages and other packages? |
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| 00:56.36 | enouf | There's a cd repo listing IIRC somewhere (if you want to see all 15,000 some odd pkgs) .. but you choose 'testing' in the search options |
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| 00:57.24 | enouf | or is it 'jigdo' that does that ..hmm |
| 00:57.41 | madriss | im downloading desktop environment, it has been fine but now its takin ages then saying Data socket timed out. anything i can do? |
| 00:58.04 | enouf | heh .. http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
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| 00:58.44 | DavidProck1982 | madriss mine has done that before |
| 00:58.56 | madriss | does it sort itself out then? |
| 00:59.03 | madriss | asdasd |
| 00:59.06 | madriss | whoops sorry |
| 00:59.15 | DavidProck1982 | no i just Ctrl+C and redo it |
| 00:59.30 | madriss | ah ok |
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| 00:59.35 | madriss | it wont re-download ones its done will it |
| 00:59.44 | DavidProck1982 | it is odd , one moment it will not connect and the next it will |
| 00:59.51 | madriss | yeah |
| 00:59.52 | madriss | same with this |
| 01:00.09 | DavidProck1982 | it will see that it allready has certin files, i think |
| 01:00.17 | madriss | great |
| 01:00.19 | madriss | thanks :) |
| 01:00.26 | DavidProck1982 | yo.... |
| 01:00.45 | DavidProck1982 | it is a different pc from the one that u r on ? |
| 01:00.53 | madriss | yeah it is lol |
| 01:01.15 | DavidProck1982 | is any of the pc,s on the network doing file shareing |
| 01:01.41 | madriss | iv only got MSN, mirc and firefox open, and im not even using msn or firefox |
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| 01:02.25 | DavidProck1982 | cause i notice if u upload a lot it will choack out the other pc |
| 01:02.32 | madriss | oh right |
| 01:02.37 | madriss | nope not uploading |
| 01:02.45 | madriss | i restarted and it wudnt connect atall |
| 01:02.47 | madriss | il try another mirror |
| 01:02.57 | DavidProck1982 | k, good idea lol |
| 01:03.14 | madriss | oh i know |
| 01:03.24 | madriss | it keeps resetting the thing in resolv.config |
| 01:03.28 | madriss | andi hav to change it back to 4.2.2.2 |
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| 01:04.05 | DavidProck1982 | :q!? |
| 01:04.07 | grndslm | anybody used or using one of these laptops with debian (or any other linux distro for that matter)?? PortableOneSX (AKA: ASUS Z35F), Toshiba Satellite U205, Dell D420, or Lenovo/IBM Thinkpad T60?? |
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| 01:04.56 | madriss | yep changed to 4.4.4.2 and its working again |
| 01:04.57 | madriss | weird that |
| 01:05.25 | itchi | grndslm: Ask that on an mailing list, debian-laptop or so |
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| 01:05.34 | g333k | Hi, I'm receiving this message: "localhost kernel: CPU1: Running in modulated clock mode" gkrellm tells me that my CPU zone is at 75°C is that ok? |
| 01:05.48 | vick | Hello, how do i know the default mod in apache installed using apt-get , etc.. ? |
| 01:05.49 | dendrite | grndslm: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
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| 01:06.19 | itchi | grndslm: And tuxmobile too |
| 01:06.23 | vick | Like which mod are there by default when i install apache using apt-get , is there some place i could look into that ? |
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| 01:09.03 | DavidProck1982 | well im going to go jump off a bridge now, lator |
| 01:09.12 | madriss | cya thanks for ur help :0 |
| 01:09.13 | madriss | :)* |
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| 01:11.20 | dotCOMmie | has anyone encountered bug #310637 recently? |
| 01:11.56 | dotCOMmie | kde 'freezes' on start up when home on nfs |
| 01:12.28 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: if someone was, they should have reopened the bug |
| 01:12.40 | dotCOMmie | I should d: |
| 01:12.57 | dotCOMmie | I should run some more diagnostics though |
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| 01:14.16 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: it will hang if /home isn't accessible, or if the server has gone away and not come back |
| 01:14.20 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: so I'd check that first. |
| 01:14.22 | dendrite | dotCOMmie: There is a #debian-kde |
| 01:15.16 | dendrite | dotCOMmie: You running 3.5? |
| 01:15.34 | dotCOMmie | dondelelcaro: I noticed that if I purge all the .* (I'm assuming .qt .kde .config are most important) reboot it works |
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| 01:15.56 | dotCOMmie | dendrite: I think so testing, up to date |
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| 01:16.10 | dotCOMmie | this is on my work box so I dont have access ATM |
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| 01:16.42 | vick | what's the apache 2 package name for debian ? |
| 01:16.44 | enouf | vick: well you can dpkg -L <pkgname> to view the contents of pkgname .. or you can also $ grep -ir modprobe /etc/init.d/ (try /etc/rc?.d/ as well) |
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| 01:17.09 | enouf | vick: apt-cache search apache2 |
| 01:17.29 | vick | enouf: I dont have Debian installed, i'm researching through packages.debian.com |
| 01:17.30 | geo-rge | I did a dist upgrade yesterday, everything seems to be working fine but I hav a feeling it didn't install all the packages I downloaded... so: how can I get a list of the packages (those .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives) that it did not install? |
| 01:17.38 | vick | enouf: .org rather |
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| 01:17.59 | vick | enouf: Seems default apache is version 1.x still |
| 01:18.05 | geo-rge | vick: there should be a lot of packages there :) |
| 01:18.16 | enouf | vick: /msg dpkg apache2 |
| 01:18.44 | dendrite | geo-rge: You downloaded the packages manually? Or did you use apt-get or aptitude to do the download?? |
| 01:18.58 | geo-rge | if you don't like what's there, there are several options, including building them yourself (it's not for nothing debian's build of the compilers are probably the most stable of all the dists) |
| 01:19.09 | geo-rge | I used apt-get |
| 01:19.12 | DavidProck1982 | :-D what is xen like |
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| 01:19.27 | geo-rge | xen is like a wreath of pretty flowers... |
| 01:19.30 | enouf | vick: also /msg dpkg info apache2 sarge |
| 01:19.36 | geo-rge | ..that smell bad... |
| 01:19.41 | dendrite | geo-rge: Then you're probably OK... |
| 01:19.51 | geo-rge | so how can I get that list? :) |
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| 01:20.59 | DavidProck1982 | xen is to load another os in side a window on the one you are running , correct ? |
| 01:21.35 | geo-rge | I'm assuming it's not the empty list; I had to apt-get install kde and it got it from the downloaded packages; I did apt-get clean before doing the actual dist-upgrade at the point I was still using sarge) |
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| 01:22.09 | dendrite | geo-rge: My first inclination would be to loop through the files and use dpkg to see if the installed version matches. |
| 01:22.53 | geo-rge | ok, let's break this down... to get the list of not-installed packages, I have to get the list of packages in the dir and the list of installed packages, sort both lists and do sortof a reverse merge |
| 01:23.00 | geo-rge | that sound right to you? |
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| 01:23.54 | geo-rge | {list of packages} - {list of installed packages} |
| 01:23.55 | dendrite | geo-rge: Your original question just said to see what of the files is not installed. If you also want to see what is installed but not in /var/cache/apt/archives/ then you'd need to do your two step "reverse merge" sort of thing. |
| 01:24.01 | bariel | hello, if i want to set up only a webserver and no other service, do you guys see any necessity using a firewall? |
| 01:24.23 | geo-rge | aren't those both the same? |
| 01:24.37 | dendrite | geo-rge: But it might be faster to just get a list of installed packages in any case... |
| 01:24.39 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Yes, qemu also |
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| 01:24.53 | itchi | DavidProck1982: qemu will be many more easy |
| 01:24.53 | dendrite | geo-rge: Not the same, but I'm a bit picky in the analysis department, so don't worry about it. |
| 01:25.26 | plugwash | bariel, its not essential but it may have advantages |
| 01:25.38 | xam | geo-rge: dpkg --get-selections "*" |egrep "(purge)|(deinstall)" |
| 01:25.49 | bariel | plugwash, like? |
| 01:25.53 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Im not realy experienced with xen. I use qemu |
| 01:26.27 | plugwash | mainly if a script running on your website gets hacked you can limit the trouble they can cause on the network/internet (unless they find a way to get root ofc) |
| 01:26.30 | dendrite | xam: That won't give version numbers of installed packages... |
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| 01:26.45 | geo-rge | oic, the whole list of packages known to my installation that have non-installed status |
| 01:27.26 | xam | dendrite: well, feed the output to a while loop with dpkg -l ... |
| 01:27.26 | plugwash | e.g. if none of your legit scripts should be sending mail or using irc you can make sure nothing that runs on your box does (or if you wan't to get really clever use iptables user matching to make sure just the web scripts can't) |
| 01:27.30 | geo-rge | that list would be different, and I guess so would the entire list of packages in the universe of available debian packages that are not installed on my system |
| 01:27.32 | dendrite | xam: Or just parse output of dpkg -l... :-) |
| 01:28.08 | geo-rge | but I want to assume that the universe is the packages in .../archives |
| 01:28.34 | Renfield | How do I configure my laptop to not enable eth0 when entering run level 2, and enable it when entering run level 3? |
| 01:28.43 | geo-rge | because after that, I want to install all those on that list |
| 01:28.53 | bokey | itchi, i am about to upgrade to etch from sarge. what are the procedure ? just apt-get linux-kernel-386 ? |
| 01:29.09 | plugwash | bokey read the release notes |
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| 01:29.19 | itchi | bokey: Look to /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 01:29.21 | xam | dendrite: yeah. but do you really need the exact version number? just make sure you have an updated system and you should be okay ... depending on a certain version is not very safe either, especially if you run testing or unstable, then version numbers change often ... |
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| 01:29.50 | geo-rge | well, more often than "never" :) |
| 01:29.51 | yassine | hi im trying to install the linux source that map my kernel trying this : apt-get install linux-source-`uname -r` but i get an error :E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.8-3-386 am i doing somthing wrong or there is no such package at all ? |
| 01:29.52 | bokey | plugwash, yup. http://www.au.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ |
| 01:29.53 | dendrite | xam: Well, it's geo-rge That has the strange needs. I'm just enjoying the puzzle. :-) |
| 01:29.54 | bokey | =) |
| 01:29.57 | bokey | itchi, thanks. |
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| 01:30.07 | itchi | bokey: That's the stable release note |
| 01:30.17 | cydork | yassine: kernel-source |
| 01:30.30 | yassine | cydork, thanks let me try |
| 01:30.50 | itchi | bokey: Look to the Etch release note ;-) |
| 01:30.50 | bokey | itchi, so sarge = stable, whereas etch = unstable ? |
| 01:30.50 | Renfield | It appears that the boot messages that are printed to console are not also saved anywhere. I clearly saw some text printed to console during boot that was not in /var/log/messages nor in dmesg. Is this correct? |
| 01:30.51 | geo-rge | I figure I can dpkg -i {all those packages} and I don't really want to install all of them because that would just waste time and cause wear and tear |
| 01:30.53 | plugwash | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ <-- those are the ones you wan't |
| 01:30.58 | bokey | itchi, yeah http://www.au.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ right ? |
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| 01:31.54 | bokey | plugwash, yup. thanks |
| 01:31.54 | bokey | =) |
| 01:31.55 | geo-rge | (specifically the packages I don't want to install are the ones already installed) |
| 01:31.55 | plugwash | bokey currently sarge is stable and etch is testing |
| 01:31.55 | itchi | bokey: See /msg dpkg release history |
| 01:31.55 | bokey | plugwash, but etch is almost ready now ? |
| 01:32.04 | geo-rge | here's to hoping |
| 01:32.08 | plugwash | when etch releases sarge will become oldstable, etch will become stable and a new testing will be created called lenny |
| 01:32.09 | itchi | bokey: http://www.au.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ |
| 01:32.27 | bokey | itchi, yup reading now. |
| 01:32.30 | itchi | bokey: Debian have 3 releases, you know? |
| 01:32.36 | itchi | bokey: okay |
| 01:32.36 | geo-rge | Headline: Etch Releases Sarge! Pictures at Eleven! |
| 01:32.48 | plugwash | lol |
| 01:32.51 | yassine | cydork, even that one seen to do not exist :E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 01:33.09 | bokey | itchi, what are the 3 releases ? |
| 01:33.12 | geo-rge | who the hell is lenny?? |
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| 01:33.24 | plugwash | the toy binoculars |
| 01:33.29 | bokey | geo-rge, lenny is the character from toy story movie. =) |
| 01:33.37 | bokey | pixar rocks! |
| 01:33.38 | bokey | =) |
| 01:33.58 | geo-rge | bokey: actually... "release" is a word applied to the stable dists... |
| 01:34.12 | gravity | I can't wait until people start regularly asking for "etchy" or "edgy" when they mean "etch" |
| 01:34.13 | Renfield | Pixar sucks. They killed BMRT. |
| 01:34.16 | bokey | geo-rge, right. |
| 01:34.19 | gravity | That'll be sweet |
| 01:34.32 | bokey | gravity, edgy is ubuntu |
| 01:34.36 | bokey | gravity, =) |
| 01:34.37 | enouf | Renfield: edit /etc/default/bootlogd to read Yes .. instead of no ... |
| 01:34.44 | itchi | geo-rge: ug |
| 01:34.47 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 01:34.47 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 01:34.49 | gravity | bokey: I know. But people ask for it. |
| 01:34.53 | geo-rge | so the releases are sarge, woody, slink, bo, potato, some others I'm not remembering |
| 01:34.56 | bokey | gravity, ahh.. right. |
| 01:35.10 | geo-rge | because they all went stable at one time or another... |
| 01:35.14 | Renfield | enouf: Thanks! |
| 01:35.20 | cydork | yassine: kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 01:35.21 | bokey | gravity, i use edgy on my laptop. it's fine distro for me. |
| 01:35.22 | plugwash | at any time there is a previous official release (oldstable, currently woody), a current release (stable, currently sarge) and a release in development (testing, currently etch) |
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| 01:35.41 | itchi | geo-rge: See /msg dpkg release history ;-) |
| 01:35.44 | geo-rge | having said that... even though etch is not released, it is available anytime in its prerelease state |
| 01:35.52 | yassine | cydork, thanks |
| 01:35.55 | gravity | I don't think woody is oldstable any more. I think that only qualifies if it's still supported. |
| 01:35.58 | gravity | I could be wrong though |
| 01:36.10 | plugwash | there is also unstable (always sid) which will never be released and acts as a source of packages for testing |
| 01:36.14 | bokey | yey!! SELinux for etch =) hurrray!!! |
| 01:36.17 | plugwash | gravity hmm, lemme check |
| 01:36.18 | bokey | :( |
| 01:36.31 | gravity | plugwash: Let me know... I'd like to know if I'm totally wrong there :-) |
| 01:37.01 | geo-rge | isn't Selinux that singer chick who got killed by her mgr? |
| 01:37.08 | enouf | geo-rge: try dpkg -l | grep ^.i .. or.. dpkg -l | grep ^.i | less .. or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^.i | less |
| 01:37.11 | itchi | !releases |
| 01:37.11 | dpkg | methinks releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 01:37.15 | plugwash | gravity well the symlink still seems to be there on ftp.debian.org |
| 01:37.21 | gravity | plugwash: Ok, cool. Thank you. |
| 01:37.22 | itchi | geo-rge: Look to the first link ;-) |
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| 01:37.26 | bokey | geo-rge, :) |
| 01:37.26 | plugwash | and packages.debian.org still knows about it |
| 01:37.28 | djarin | Hi |
| 01:37.46 | gravity | I'm sort of surprised that the symlink doesn't get removed |
| 01:37.58 | itchi | ... Debian always has at least three releases in active maintenance: “stable”, “testing” and “unstable” . ... |
| 01:38.02 | geo-rge | itchi: I may have installed all on that list at one time or another... including a nonreleased 0.94.something |
| 01:38.03 | plugwash | though i'm sure there did stop being an oldstable sometime in potatos life |
| 01:38.23 | djarin | I just gotta question about mount smbfs. Has anyone Experience with that? |
| 01:38.32 | plugwash | sorry i mean sometime when woody was the current release and potato the previous one |
| 01:38.48 | itchi | Without talking about the experimental release |
| 01:38.53 | enouf | geo-rge: but If I underdstand correctly .. you can just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade again .. as long as you didn't alter your sources.lsit |
| 01:39.17 | djarin | Can u plz msg me |
| 01:39.37 | itchi | djarin: _NO_ |
| 01:39.42 | bokey | itchi, what's the etch's kernel version ? i poked dpkg but couldn't get answer. |
| 01:39.53 | djarin | Ok ty itchi |
| 01:40.00 | itchi | bokey: Default or availables ones? |
| 01:40.04 | geo-rge | enouf: I think among all the things I had to do, it got confused about the list of packages to update (and this was after the (correct) list of packages were downloaded) |
| 01:40.06 | bokey | itchi, default |
| 01:40.24 | itchi | !tell djarin -about ask |
| 01:40.27 | plugwash | itchi true, but iirc experimental isn't even a complete distribution |
| 01:40.29 | enouf | geo-rge: have you rebooted since you upgraded? .. I ask because if you're at that transition bew\tween xfree86/xorg and udev/hotplug .. reboot (and other things like purging hotplug are in order) |
| 01:40.30 | itchi | bokey: .16 |
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| 01:40.31 | geo-rge | djarin: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 01:40.38 | bokey | itchi, ahh.. fine. |
| 01:40.38 | plugwash | last i checked it wasn't even on the main mirrors |
| 01:40.41 | gravity | plugwash: Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 01:41.01 | geo-rge | enouf: yeah, did the reboot |
| 01:41.18 | enouf | geo-rge: if the list is "correct" .. it wouldn't have changed much since yestereday :-) |
| 01:41.25 | cydork | itchi: rc1 has .17 |
| 01:41.28 | dondelelcaro | bokey: it's currently 2.6.17, actually... but it will most likely be .18 eventually. |
| 01:41.42 | itchi | djarin: Just talk here about your Debian related trouble, we not like to talk in PM. Others that only read here will not benefit of the informations |
| 01:41.50 | geo-rge | but beforehand, I built my own 2.6.18 from debian source and debian .config; also I went to xorg |
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| 01:42.00 | bokey | dondelelcaro, thanks. so will I be getting 2.6.17 as a stock kernel version for etch ? |
| 01:42.03 | dererk[work] | please |
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| 01:42.07 | dererk[work] | I need a huge hand |
| 01:42.15 | enouf | geo-rge: IOW redoing what I said about update and dist-upgrade will only ad anything missing .. not rteinstall evertything .. use -s with apt to simulate |
| 01:42.16 | geo-rge | so my transition to udev was a little weird |
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| 01:42.26 | djarin | itchi: i got no real debian problem. I just don`t know who else i can ask |
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| 01:42.30 | dererk[work] | I need to get right now a .deb package for 2.4.18 bigmem |
| 01:42.30 | geo-rge | dererk[work]: my hands are normal sized |
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| 01:42.45 | geo-rge | djarin: ask your question |
| 01:42.57 | djarin | I need to mount (with knoppix) the smb of my mac |
| 01:42.59 | djarin | so |
| 01:43.14 | dondelelcaro | bokey: it's what is installed currently if you havea linux-image-2.6-2686 iunstalled. |
| 01:43.26 | djarin | mount -t smbfs -o username="",password= \\ip/ |
| 01:43.29 | itchi | djarin: Debian and smbfs?? or try #samba?? |
| 01:43.34 | djarin | erverything is korrekt |
| 01:43.41 | djarin | itchi: k ty |
| 01:43.41 | plugwash | dererk[work] any particular reason? |
| 01:43.45 | dererk[work] | yes |
| 01:43.58 | dererk[work] | Because if I don't find it in the next hours |
| 01:44.04 | dererk[work] | I'm gonna loose my job |
| 01:44.10 | cydork | itchi: smbfs is fused based interface for samba... |
| 01:44.11 | plugwash | all i can suggest is going through snapshot.debian.net and seeing what you can find but i dunno if their archives go back far enough |
| 01:44.19 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Yeah, i was talking about the version i got with the Etch installer |
| 01:44.20 | dererk[work] | s/next hours/next hour/ |
| 01:44.51 | bokey | dondelelcaro, so I have changed every line in /etc/apt/sources.list from "stable" to "testing". now I am gonna do update =) |
| 01:44.53 | dererk[work] | and because I've a woody running which has 2 gb of ram |
| 01:44.55 | geo-rge | dererk[work]: why? (technical reason, NOT job reason) |
| 01:44.59 | DerJamster | dererk[work]: grab the 2.4.18 source package and compile it into a new one with it enabled? |
| 01:45.26 | enouf | geo-rge: you know whenever I do a large upgrade .. I usually telinit 1 then run apt .. just so that most services not necessary are halted :-) but I'm sure there's some heat coming my way for saying that (dons flame-retardant suit) |
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| 01:45.39 | Renfield | There seems to be a bit of magic going on to start up networking. I try to shut it down as the first script in rc2.d, but by the time the computer is fully started eth0 is up again. How does this work? |
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| 01:46.02 | DerJamster | dererk[work]: apt-get kernel-package, the 2.4.18 source package, slap in your kernel conf from /boot as '.config', enable bigmem, make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 01:46.07 | DerJamster | then dpkg -i that new .deb |
| 01:46.17 | djarin | Great in #samba all are afk |
| 01:46.23 | enouf | !tell Renfield about update-rc.d |
| 01:46.36 | geo-rge | enouf: yeah it went thru that "I have to restart these services: ,.,. ... ... .. since you're upgrading libc" thing with no problem |
| 01:46.37 | itchi | !tell root -about root |
| 01:46.45 | looksaus | I'm looking for an easy way to spider the news site of our national public television channel for video |
| 01:46.47 | itchi | arg |
| 01:46.59 | itchi | !tell root___ -about root |
| 01:47.12 | geo-rge | you need spiders! |
| 01:47.22 | enouf | Renfield: also /msg dpkg rcconf for a TUI util .. sysv-rc-conf is a more comprehensible rcconf |
| 01:47.23 | looksaus | they embed it in such crap javascript stuff that it's impossible for free software users to play the video |
| 01:47.25 | geo-rge | taranculas! |
| 01:47.42 | looksaus | any idea what would be a good way to do so? |
| 01:47.48 | enouf | geo-rge: cool |
| 01:48.16 | looksaus | existing tools that might be suited for the job? |
| 01:48.28 | looksaus | or easily adapted |
| 01:48.29 | geo-rge | wget? I dunno |
| 01:48.42 | looksaus | I guess wget will be an important part of it, yes... |
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| 01:49.56 | Renfield | enouf: If I understand correctly, these links describe utilities for managing one's rc scripts? |
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| 01:50.01 | enouf | looksaus: besides wget , curl et al .. may wanna look at some combining that with xml2 utilities http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples |
| 01:50.11 | enouf | Renfield: correct |
| 01:50.25 | looksaus | enouf, thx for the suggestions |
| 01:50.26 | enouf | Renfield: /msg dpkg services as well |
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| 01:50.50 | enouf | Renfield: /msg dpkg runlevel too :-) |
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| 01:51.04 | itchi | root___: You can not talk here probably :-p |
| 01:51.25 | michael117 | What command can I use to monitor incoming and outgoing traffic on a particular computer over ssh? |
| 01:51.31 | madriss | are there more apps for kde than gnome or does it not matter which you have? |
| 01:51.38 | Renfield | enouf: Well that is not my problem. I understand init and rc scripts very well. My very specific knowledge hole is how eth0 is started on a Debian system. |
| 01:52.11 | michael117 | More specifically, how much is being transferred in and out |
| 01:52.12 | enouf | madriss: it's GNU/Linux and linux is the kernel :-) |
| 01:52.28 | madriss | so everything will work on both? |
| 01:52.37 | itchi | madriss: Gnome use GTK and KDE use QT as library. You can use /KDE/ stuff inside Gnome and virse versa. Just a bit slower and more load |
| 01:52.51 | madriss | ah ok thanks |
| 01:52.53 | geo-rge | if you're writing a web application (which this sorta is), you might check out philip.greenspun.com/books/ and look for internet application workbook |
| 01:52.53 | madriss | which wud u recommend |
| 01:52.57 | michael117 | such as "In- 10kBps | Out-0kBps" or something of the like |
| 01:53.02 | geo-rge | !u |
| 01:53.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:53.08 | itchi | madriss: Not KDE at least |
| 01:53.14 | xam | itchi: 'bit slower and more load' ??? |
| 01:53.21 | geo-rge | !wud |
| 01:53.21 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 01:53.29 | itchi | xam: Yeah, you load both libs |
| 01:53.30 | dererk[work] | I need to limit the use of ram of my BIND (8) do you know how could I? |
| 01:53.31 | madriss | ok i shud go with gnome then |
| 01:53.42 | Renfield | I clearly see that in rcS.d there is an Sxxnetworking script. I also see messages that appear to start netowrking. After these messages are the messages from my script that shut networking back off. Despite this after completing boot up eth0 is back up again. |
| 01:53.43 | enouf | Renfield: er... read /etc/init.d/README .. eth0is an interface .. and I suppose if you kill /networking and /inetd from starting maybe you'll kill the interface too .. or modprobe -r the modules responsible :_P |
| 01:53.44 | magyar | hi, just updated my saslauth on etch and the mail server is broke, i keep getting "warning: SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed" and "SASL PLAIN authentication failed: authentication failure" |
| 01:53.50 | xam | itchi: how does it make the application slower and causes more load? |
| 01:53.53 | DerJamster | Dammit, there is no !shud is there? :) |
| 01:53.56 | Wazm | you tell me |
| 01:53.57 | dererk[work] | It doesn't appear nothing at all on official doc |
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| 01:54.07 | madriss | i just got a think.. choose desired x video card driver |
| 01:54.12 | madriss | thers a big list but its already on 'vesa' |
| 01:54.16 | madriss | is that the one i shud choose? |
| 01:54.43 | gravity | madriss: What video card do you have? |
| 01:54.47 | itchi | xam: Because Gnome apps are optimized to run in Gnome, like it use the /gnome/ libs, and virse versa |
| 01:54.48 | madriss | i dont know lol |
| 01:54.50 | geo-rge | yue shud larn toe pall |
| 01:54.53 | gravity | madriss: Yeah, go with vesa |
| 01:54.58 | madriss | ok thanks |
| 01:55.01 | enouf | Renfield: i guess you're script ain't working too well :-) |
| 01:55.14 | DerJamster | geo-rge: wud r u taklin abut? |
| 01:55.15 | madriss | oh der |
| 01:55.26 | madriss | please enter the video card's bus identifier :| |
| 01:55.31 | madriss | where do i get that |
| 01:55.32 | gravity | madriss: Leave it blank |
| 01:55.34 | madriss | ok |
| 01:55.35 | enouf | Renfield: that's not meant to be anything demeaning |
| 01:55.40 | gravity | Christ, I need to kill that thing |
| 01:55.47 | Guerin | magyar: saslauthd is evil. Read the logs, it'll tell you what's going wrong. |
| 01:55.48 | itchi | xam: Is that clear? I'm a bit sad with English |
| 01:55.52 | Renfield | enouf: My script works fine. I have confirmed that eth0 is down by running the command ifconfig; sleep 2. All that is displayed is lo: . At some point the system brings eth0 back up! |
| 01:56.09 | Guerin | magyar: most of the time it's not looking up the credentials or passing them properly |
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| 01:56.19 | plugwash | Renfield i suspect when your script runs its not yet been brought up at all |
| 01:56.28 | magyar | Guerin: the thing was working for the past 4 month, than comes the update breaks the whole shit donw |
| 01:56.37 | madriss | any idea how i know if its 60hz 50hz or 75hz monitor? |
| 01:56.45 | madriss | 60, 70 or 75* |
| 01:56.50 | magyar | Guerin: i left all the conf files the same |
| 01:56.58 | xam | itchi: ermm, what do you mean with optimised? It just uses gnome-libs, granted ... it has to load them if you're not already running a gnome app, but that is just a initial delay. there is no additional 'load' or the app is slower. You might miss some functionality if you run a gnome app in a KDE environment (and vice versa), but that's all |
| 01:57.09 | bokey | does it matter if I upgrade the kernel or userland software first?? |
| 01:57.14 | Guerin | magyar: update to what? |
| 01:57.15 | geo-rge | madriss: sometimes the manufacturer;s website has the timing info |
| 01:57.22 | magyar | Guerin: all the update did is change the daemond, is there a way to place back the old daemond |
| 01:57.24 | magyar | ? |
| 01:57.24 | Renfield | plugwash: That would make sense, but there is text prior to my script that says "Setting up networking... and Configuring network interfaces... done", and those messages are not repeated after my script runs. |
| 01:57.25 | madriss | ok i'll have a look there |
| 01:57.31 | madriss | if i cant find it is it safest to go with 60? |
| 01:57.36 | magyar | Guerin: sasauthd |
| 01:57.41 | bokey | 4.1.3 @ http://www.au.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html is a FIXME. :/ |
| 01:57.42 | magyar | saslauthd |
| 01:57.44 | plugwash | Renfield hmm, it seems you are right |
| 01:57.48 | geo-rge | hopefully you can do 75 hz... any slower really hurts your eyes |
| 01:57.53 | Guerin | magyar: oh, i remember this problem. They broke it in some version or other, so instead of passing user@host, it would pass user |
| 01:57.53 | madriss | ok |
| 01:57.59 | itchi | xam: Made for that |
| 01:57.59 | plugwash | have you tried just removing the auto eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:58.05 | madriss | its a laptop screen r they normally 75 |
| 01:58.13 | plugwash | if you do that then it shouldn't come up unless you explicitly tell it to |
| 01:58.15 | enouf | Renfield: coulld be any of a numbeer of scripts or services that are bringing it back up .. webservers, browsers, NFS, Samba shares .. whatever .. look into killing inetd or somesuch |
| 01:58.18 | bokey | itchi, does it matter whether i upgrade kernel or userland software first ? |
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| 01:58.22 | Guerin | magyar: i think that was an upgrade from .17 to .19 fixed it |
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| 01:58.31 | itchi | bokey: I dunno |
| 01:58.44 | doki_pen | why doesn't debian upgrade all my packages? |
| 01:58.45 | xam | bokey: usually it is advisable to update the kernel first |
| 01:58.47 | geo-rge | madriss: hmm, laptop? it may not matter if the card connects via dvi |
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| 01:58.57 | enouf | Renfield: sysv-rc-conf will give you the view of each runlevel and script doing what at each |
| 01:59.01 | bokey | itchi, section 1.2.3 @ http://www.au.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html is a FIXME |
| 01:59.06 | magyar | Guerin: the issue is the saslauthd is looking to authenticate against sasldb2, but i use /etc/passwd |
| 01:59.06 | bokey | xam, right |
| 01:59.23 | madriss | ok, can't see anything on their website, i'll try 75hz nd hope for the best lol, thanks |
| 01:59.26 | Guerin | magyar: oh, ok. No idea about that, then. |
| 01:59.53 | Renfield | enouf: Ok, this is my thought also. Is this how debian works? Other distributions put network setup in it's own script, but it appears that in Debian certain scripts can do more than their intended purpose. |
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| 02:00.12 | enouf | Guerin: embrace the change :-) |
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| 02:00.15 | itchi | bokey: Yeah, looks missing in the Etch release. To be honnest i dunno what userland software is |
| 02:00.29 | enouf | Renfield: not how i see it |
| 02:00.31 | bokey | itchi, userland software like xine, vlc etc.. |
| 02:00.53 | geo-rge | userland software is anything but kernel and modules |
| 02:01.02 | itchi | bokey: Yeah, the kernel then (if i'm right, but not yet sure) |
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| 02:02.47 | enouf | Renfield: for shits and giggles .. grep -ir inetd /etc/rc?.d/S* (use incantations of that to suit your taste .. drop the S* to also see all the K* as well) |
| 02:03.06 | bokey | itchi, i change every line saying sarge -> etch and stable -> testing. is this the correct way to proceed ? now I hav eabout 875mb to download. after doing apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:03.45 | enouf | Renfield: er maybe just 'inet' instead of inetd |
| 02:04.36 | geo-rge | Reinfeld: the networking setup for debian has a fairly general setup... there's a file where you describe your network interfaces and what the routing will be for each... once you do that you can "ifup <nameOfInterface" (or same with ifdown) |
| 02:04.36 | xam | Guerin: did it twice in the last two weeks. Only problem is udev with might mess up your network interface numbering, if you have several network cards. At least it did it with both of my machines |
| 02:04.37 | itchi | bokey: hhhmm, maybe set it to testing? To be sure you always have the testing (actually the Etch) release. If you put etch now and etch become stable. You have again stable and no more the testing release |
| 02:04.55 | Guerin | xam: otherwise smooth, then? |
| 02:05.06 | Renfield | geo-rge: I have networking configured. I just want it to come up when I boot into run level 3, and not come up when I boot into run level 2. |
| 02:05.16 | xam | Guerin: yes. even xfree86 -> xorg was not a problem ... |
| 02:05.24 | bokey | itchi, so change every occurence of stable to testing and also every occurence of sarge to testing as well ? |
| 02:05.25 | plugwash | bokey use etch if you wan't to follow etch into stable, using testing if you wan't to continue on the testing treadmill after etch release |
| 02:05.38 | geo-rge | it doesnt't come up in either of those runlevels |
| 02:05.39 | xam | Guerin: just make sure you update the kernel first, and then do the rest |
| 02:05.42 | plugwash | either way change all instances of both sarge and stable |
| 02:05.46 | Guerin | nice |
| 02:05.49 | itchi | bokey: See /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 02:05.52 | geo-rge | it comes up when going thru single user startup |
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| 02:05.54 | Renfield | geo-rge: It always comes up for me now. |
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| 02:06.01 | Caelum | I have two machines (A and B), and I want connections to port 4831 on A to go through B to another server to port 8535, can I do that with ssh? |
| 02:06.01 | Renfield | geo-rge: Oh, right. |
| 02:06.24 | geo-rge | maan, that's a lot of beer |
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| 02:06.37 | Renfield | geo-rge: That APPEARS to be the case. However if that is true, then I should be able to bring it down via a script in rc2.d. I did that, however it comes back up! |
| 02:07.17 | itchi | bokey: Got it? ;-) |
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| 02:07.48 | madriss | oh no errors |
| 02:07.49 | itchi | bokey: btw /msg dpkg search will be useful too :-) I love dpkg haha |
| 02:07.53 | xam | Guerin: oh yes, it might complain about the new apt signing keys, just install the new keys in advance and you don't see any warnings |
| 02:08.03 | Guerin | keys schmeez |
| 02:08.03 | geo-rge | hmm, what exactly are you doing to bring it down? (note!! certain services need networking... so you might have to completely rework the startup order to make your system work properly, for example not starting things that need networking) |
| 02:08.10 | madriss | been doin this for ages now i got I/P error, dev 03:01 (hda) sector 25314424 |
| 02:08.19 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 02:08.19 | dpkg | well, i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 02:08.20 | madriss | loads of these hda sector stuff |
| 02:08.20 | Renfield | geo-rge: ifconfig eth0 down. |
| 02:08.30 | Guerin | madriss: you lose. |
| 02:08.33 | geo-rge | oh, try ifdown eth0 |
| 02:08.35 | bokey | itchi, yeah. please have a look at http://rafb.net/paste/results/IMpdAV80.html and tell me if it's correct for upgradint to etch. :/ thanks so much. |
| 02:08.38 | madriss | :( |
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| 02:09.27 | geo-rge | (that is, let the network/interfaces script be involved here) |
| 02:09.30 | itchi | bokey: I dunno about these local mirrors, but looks right |
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| 02:09.35 | xam | madriss: sounds like your hard disk is about to die ... install smartmontools and do a check |
| 02:09.40 | bokey | itchi, thanks. =) |
| 02:09.50 | madriss | thanks but no idea how |
| 02:09.50 | bokey | itchi, it's aussie mirrors. =) |
| 02:09.56 | madriss | greast timing to die when i finally almost installed linux |
| 02:10.07 | geo-rge | is it -damaging- for eth0 to be up at all? |
| 02:10.13 | itchi | bokey: If you want .be give a sign :-) |
| 02:10.21 | madriss | hm seems to b carrying on now |
| 02:10.27 | madriss | mayb itll live :| lol |
| 02:10.35 | xam | geo-rge: damaging for the hardware? nope |
| 02:10.43 | itchi | bokey: You have been another computer that have internet access? In case of you have some troubles |
| 02:10.57 | faust__ | geo-rge: it's just a lot cleaner to only have active hardware running. |
| 02:11.00 | geo-rge | I know that part :) but damaging to his application (which I have no idea of) |
| 02:11.05 | bokey | itchi, yeah i have . |
| 02:11.15 | madriss | nope hda timeout stuff now |
| 02:11.22 | itchi | bokey: Okay, an live cd lesser to download then |
| 02:11.29 | geo-rge | oooh, I feel dirty then :) |
| 02:11.31 | Renfield | geo-rge: Well having it up means that it also sets up a route, so then when I want to connect to the internet via ppp I have to unset the default route. I prefer to have eth0 down. |
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| 02:11.36 | bokey | itchi, =) |
| 02:11.47 | xam | geo-rge: well, if you just have the interface up, and there is no (default) route going through that interface, nothing bad will happen |
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| 02:11.51 | geo-rge | why ppp? |
| 02:11.52 | faust__ | I'm only a bit unkempt. |
| 02:12.04 | Renfield | geo-rge: That's all I have here. |
| 02:12.08 | geo-rge | I'm downright messy! |
| 02:12.15 | faust__ | Should really disable the onboard raid I'm not using, but I can't be bothered to open the case and locate the jumper. |
| 02:12.16 | osci | oh man i'm fed up |
| 02:12.22 | geo-rge | wait... I don't understand |
| 02:12.31 | geo-rge | nothing is connected to your eth0? |
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| 02:12.41 | Renfield | geo-rge: Not at home. At work it is. |
| 02:12.56 | geo-rge | ok, I see |
| 02:12.59 | zog-vsl | is there an 80211g card that works out of the box (no NDISwrapper) with Etch? |
| 02:13.19 | zog-vsl | 80211g PCMCIA (or PCI) |
| 02:13.22 | geo-rge | you -could- take "auto eth0" out of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:14.07 | faust__ | zog-vsl: ipw2200 should be fairly good for that. |
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| 02:14.15 | xam | madriss: it could also be that it is a faulty driver, e.g. missing interrupts or DMA is not working properly. In this cause you can also get 'bad sectors'. However in most cases it is really the fault of a broken hard disk. Linux is more sensible to faulty equipment and will complain where windows will just be silently fail |
| 02:14.35 | faust__ | zog-vsl: though I suspect you're looking for a PCI card? |
| 02:14.48 | faust__ | er.. forget I said anything.. |
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| 02:15.12 | faust__ | the 2200 requires a firmware package, so it's not _quite_ out-of-the-box |
| 02:15.18 | Renfield | geo-rge: At boot time? And also put it back at boot time? At this point I have two entries in grub that mention a work configuration and a home configuration. The only difference is that one boots to runlevel 2 and the other to run level 3. |
| 02:15.38 | geo-rge | actually I'm vaguely looking for a prism2 or prism54 pci card |
| 02:16.05 | zog-vsl | <faust__> well my friend who is asking wants PCMCIA for lappy, but I am interested in PCI as well |
| 02:16.08 | geo-rge | Renfield: you can start ppp in one of them and do "ifup eth0" in the other |
| 02:16.11 | faust__ | prism2? Isn't that fairly old? |
| 02:16.17 | bokey | itchi, first i am going to upgrade my kernel. right now it's 2.6.8-3-386. i did apt-get linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 and it's dependent packages will be installed. is that right ? |
| 02:16.19 | geo-rge | I dunno :) |
| 02:16.22 | xam | geo-rge: have both here. prism54 just requires you to have a firmware file in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ... that's all |
| 02:16.39 | Renfield | geo-rge: I don't want to start ppp just because I've turned on my computer. That's started via a button in gkrellm. |
| 02:16.42 | itchi | bokey: Yes |
| 02:16.50 | bokey | itchi, good. sounds cool. =) |
| 02:16.52 | xam | geo-rge: prism2 is .11b only, but very stable |
| 02:16.54 | geo-rge | can that firmware file allow wap functionality? |
| 02:16.54 | zog-vsl | just the chipsets I know work seem fairly old, and most current cards I read up on seem to need lots of messing about, would rather one that I plug in, and it works |
| 02:16.55 | Renfield | Well, I'll keep looking. Shouldn't be so hard. |
| 02:17.05 | enouf | Renfield: maybe able to do some udev trickery $ cat /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 02:17.10 | geo-rge | 11b is the real slow one? |
| 02:17.11 | madriss | hm i hit my laptop and it works now lol |
| 02:17.18 | itchi | bokey: Or if you not directly upgrade the kernel now, during the migration, it will fail and he will tell you that you should install the appropriate kernel |
| 02:17.20 | solid_liq | is there an nvidia binary drivers package I can install with apt? |
| 02:17.21 | faust__ | I have a pcmcia card, about 4-5 years old, with a PrismIII chipset. Worked out-of-the-box with orinoco drivers. |
| 02:17.28 | solid_liq | !nvidia |
| 02:17.39 | bokey | itchi, so now is better I guess ? |
| 02:17.41 | itchi | bokey: I have never install the right kernel before :-) |
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| 02:17.47 | geo-rge | Renfield: then you have less to do :) |
| 02:17.48 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. =) |
| 02:17.50 | solid_liq | dpkg never listens to me... |
| 02:17.57 | geo-rge | dpkg: listen! |
| 02:17.57 | itchi | bokey: Yeah, but i like to play, i need to tell ;-) |
| 02:18.17 | magyar | Guerin: http://groups.google.com/group/list.postfix.users/browse_thread/thread/bd0ca8db0d73783b/6928c974bbfaf339?lnk=st&q=%22warning%3A+SASL+authentication+failure%3A+Password+verification+failed%22&rnum=1#6928c974bbfaf339 |
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| 02:18.19 | Renfield | Ok, let me ask this. Does anyone know what this network connection manager is or the Avahi mDNS daemon? |
| 02:18.20 | zog-vsl | faust_: yes I have 5 year old 80211b orinoco cards that work fine, but curious about what is off-the-shelf current |
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| 02:18.29 | solid_liq | could someone do !nvidia for me please? |
| 02:18.31 | magyar | Guerin: looks like am not the only one |
| 02:18.32 | itchi | magyar: Nice tinyurl :-) |
| 02:18.43 | xam | geo-rge: I'm using IPsec, no WEP/WPA so I don't know. Last time I checked prism54 was about to get support for WPA, there was prelimilary support in cvs |
| 02:18.50 | geo-rge | Renfield: me? neither. |
| 02:18.53 | bokey | itchi, it's removing and installing gnome again. that means I need to shut down and go to X. :/ |
| 02:19.07 | magyar | cant figure out why the dev guys push out updates that brake the server? |
| 02:19.08 | Renfield | How about the networkManagerDispatcher? |
| 02:19.11 | magyar | fuck |
| 02:19.21 | xam | geo-rge: that was over 6 months ago, so I get it should support WPA by now. prism2 supports WPA(2) |
| 02:19.25 | bokey | !nvidia |
| 02:19.26 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists Intell now provides spec'd accelerated GPUs. |
| 02:19.27 | itchi | bokey: Or it gona fail and he tell you that you should need to do ... Ow, looks like i'm near Sid haha |
| 02:19.30 | Renfield | These things are started right after dbus, but I don't see anything in the rc scripts about them. |
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| 02:19.36 | faust__ | zog-vsl, I think the Cnet CWP-854 might be something for you. |
| 02:19.41 | spyro_boy | hey |
| 02:19.48 | spyro_boy | can someone do me a favour? |
| 02:19.52 | faust__ | pci-based G card, cheap, supposedly works out-of-the-box at least on ubuntu. |
| 02:19.56 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. =) |
| 02:19.57 | lunaphyte | how can i umount an smb share that thinks it's "busy"? |
| 02:20.04 | bokey | itchi, i'll brb. |
| 02:20.08 | zog-vsl | faust_: aha, cool thanks |
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| 02:20.12 | bokey | itchi, going to X now. |
| 02:20.13 | geo-rge | spyro_boy: sorry, I'm not qualified... don't have doctorate in psychology.. |
| 02:20.16 | solid_liq | bokey: thanks |
| 02:20.25 | itchi | bokey: I have a bit experiment, to see what's happend when ... Really cool and good this stuff here |
| 02:20.29 | bokey | solid_liq, no probs. |
| 02:20.29 | spyro_boy | geo-rge: hehe. |
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| 02:20.39 | solid_liq | ok, so !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:20.42 | itchi | bokey: wait |
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| 02:20.47 | bokey | itchi, ? |
| 02:20.51 | itchi | bokey: Use irssi, without X |
| 02:20.58 | itchi | bokey: An irc client |
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| 02:21.04 | bokey | itchi, i'll fire my edgy in my laptop. |
| 02:21.11 | itchi | bokey: okay |
| 02:21.18 | solid_liq | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:21.19 | bokey | itchi, ubuntu stuff. |
| 02:21.23 | solid_liq | grrr |
| 02:21.38 | itchi | bokey: Ba, not for long anymore haha |
| 02:21.54 | bokey | solid_liq, what about /msg dpkg nvidia ? |
| 02:21.57 | solid_liq | could anyone do !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 02:22.06 | solid_liq | bokey: doesn't listen that way either :( |
| 02:22.08 | magyar | when i run "testsaslauthd" i get "connect() : Connection refused" |
| 02:22.18 | itchi | solid_liq: See /msg dpkg search /msg dpkg selftell |
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| 02:22.31 | solid_liq | in fact, dpkg has never listened to me in any way |
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| 02:22.44 | geo-rge | Renfield: so... if you take "auto eth0" out of /etc/network/interfaces, the only difference is (at that point) eth0 will never be started... if you then put "ifup eth0" in the runlevel where you want it in, that should do everything you want |
| 02:22.49 | solid_liq | itchi: no response at all |
| 02:22.55 | itchi | solid_liq: Maybe, never have use it right?? |
| 02:23.04 | itchi | solid_liq: Wait |
| 02:23.07 | solid_liq | itchi: exactly what you typed |
| 02:23.11 | itchi | solid_liq: Have you registred your nick ? |
| 02:23.20 | geo-rge | (maybe it should be the first thing run) |
| 02:23.21 | solid_liq | itchi: yeah, I talk on ##linux all the time |
| 02:23.24 | Renfield | geo-rge: I suppose so. But it kind of seems like a hack. |
| 02:23.37 | geo-rge | I'd see it as the cleanest way |
| 02:23.44 | itchi | solid_liq: hhhm your been identified |
| 02:24.04 | Renfield | geo-rge: I also suppose I could but something as S99ifdown in rc2.d and it'll take eth0 down after all other scripts have run. |
| 02:24.05 | geo-rge | because then, networking is never started on eth0 at your home |
| 02:24.08 | itchi | solid_liq: I dunno then, ask dondelelcaro about it |
| 02:24.52 | looksaus | I want to go through a directory with a _lot_ of files and cat only the ones that have a very specific name, based on today's date 061207 |
| 02:25.00 | solid_liq | itchi: k, I sent him a message |
| 02:25.02 | geo-rge | sure... but then you'll have services that (mistakenly) assume they can get out over the net (which I have no idea what the consequences are) |
| 02:25.03 | madriss | well this installer is still going so im gona come back later to it. thanks very much to every1 who helped me, looks like i might finally be able to use linux soon. cya! |
| 02:25.04 | looksaus | how do I do that in an elegant and speedy way? |
| 02:25.16 | Renfield | geo-rge: Yea, I |
| 02:25.25 | Renfield | geo-rge: Yea, I'm shutting those off at this point. |
| 02:25.31 | geo-rge | looksaus: get a gown at bloomingdales and a v8 truck |
| 02:25.42 | geo-rge | then you'll be speeding elegantly! |
| 02:26.02 | looksaus | geo-rge, I'm not sure how to easily strip the directory names from my list |
| 02:26.04 | itchi | madriss: GNU/Linux ;-) |
| 02:26.15 | madriss | ;-) |
| 02:26.18 | looksaus | ok, that is stupid, but hey, I'm learning |
| 02:26.19 | madriss | cheers, cya! |
| 02:26.19 | geo-rge | looksaus: man basename |
| 02:26.25 | looksaus | geo-rge, thx! |
| 02:26.40 | geo-rge | (and while you're at it, man dirname too) |
| 02:26.45 | itchi | madriss: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 02:26.53 | simonrvn | ohnoz, man pagez |
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| 02:27.00 | simonrvn | :P |
| 02:27.06 | looksaus | geo-rge, interesting, but not quite what I wanted |
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| 02:27.38 | geo-rge | don't you want to strip the dir name off the fully qualified path name? |
| 02:27.43 | itchi | looksaus: man find |
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| 02:28.05 | looksaus | thx scratchy ... errr... I mean itchy |
| 02:28.17 | xam | looksaus: find /usr/bin/ -name 061207\* | while read -r file; do cat $file; done |
| 02:28.22 | itchi | looksaus: itchi! ;-) |
| 02:28.26 | geo-rge | $ basename /a/b/c/d |
| 02:28.28 | geo-rge | d |
| 02:28.30 | geo-rge | $ |
| 02:28.43 | geo-rge | that's not what you want? |
| 02:28.51 | xam | looksaus: sorry ... forget the /usr/bin, replace it with the directory |
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| 02:29.10 | looksaus | xam, I must be sleeping |
| 02:29.31 | geo-rge | my bathroom's seeping |
| 02:30.04 | xam | my cat's weeping |
| 02:30.16 | geo-rge | that stalkier's creeping... |
| 02:30.20 | geo-rge | ... me out... |
| 02:30.27 | simonrvn | my cat's drooling on my hands |
| 02:30.30 | solid_liq | looksaus: are you looking for this? for f in `ls -l | grep 061207 | grep -v ^d | awk '{ print $8 }'` ; do whatever; done |
| 02:30.49 | geo-rge | my feet are burning on the sands |
| 02:31.04 | looksaus | solid_liq, thx, but I'm fiddling on |
| 02:31.15 | solid_liq | looksaus: is that what you wanted? |
| 02:31.16 | itchi | looksaus: hhhm, i have misunderstood you |
| 02:31.23 | solid_liq | looksaus: or what exactly did you want? |
| 02:31.26 | looksaus | on a small script to liberate the video of our national public tv news:) |
| 02:31.33 | xam | solid_liq: that's neither elegant nor speedy ;) |
| 02:31.42 | itchi | looksaus: It's not bassed on the timestamp? |
| 02:31.44 | solid_liq | xam: it's speedy, and it works |
| 02:31.56 | looksaus | itchi, np, I'm just a bit sleepy, I get what you want to say by little hints |
| 02:31.59 | looksaus | so thx |
| 02:32.12 | itchi | looksaus: Listen to solid_liq ;-) |
| 02:32.24 | xam | solid_liq: I don't think it will work with a LOT of files very quickly (or at all) |
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| 02:32.31 | geo-rge | he needs a good listening to... |
| 02:32.40 | solid_liq | xam: it will unless your computer is really sloooow |
| 02:32.55 | looksaus | solid_liq, thx |
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| 02:33.02 | solid_liq | looksaus: np |
| 02:33.25 | geo-rge | now that I;m runnign etch... would that mean I have to be root to burn cds? |
| 02:33.41 | simonrvn | use sudo |
| 02:33.52 | raf256 | btw is there a GUI program to quickly edit a video (.mov) like copy/paste some frames, and then save it? |
| 02:33.54 | geo-rge | so "yes"? |
| 02:34.04 | kitche | geo-rge: depends I put my user inside a burning group |
| 02:34.16 | simonrvn | yeh, you can do that |
| 02:34.19 | geo-rge | oh man! I hope the group is ok! |
| 02:34.20 | xam | solid_liq: nope, that is not the point. You can only have a limited amouts of arguments to 'for' |
| 02:34.31 | simonrvn | i'd recommend that in fact |
| 02:34.34 | dvs | geo-rge: you don't have to be root to burn CDs |
| 02:34.37 | itchi | geo-rge: no, unless with k3b that have/had an bug |
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| 02:35.53 | geo-rge | xam: you mean like "for i in {this list has to be limited}? |
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| 02:36.45 | solid_liq | xam: obviously you missed the backticks |
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| 02:36.56 | xam | geo-rge: yes. it is a large number, but it has limits ... and looksaus specifically said he has a lot of files. Furthermore the (this list) has to be evaluated first, and can take up quite some memory |
| 02:37.08 | enouf | geo-rge: 'group' says what |
| 02:37.14 | bokey | itchi: downloading packages. =) |
| 02:37.32 | xam | solid_liq: obviously you are still missing the point ;) |
| 02:37.35 | magyar | where in debian pool whould i be able to find sasl packages? |
| 02:37.37 | geo-rge | enouf: no |
| 02:37.40 | cappicrd | secret |
| 02:37.47 | itchi | bokey: Wait and take some coffee :-p |
| 02:37.57 | geo-rge | group says: bash: group: command not found |
| 02:38.03 | enouf | bzzzt! wrong |
| 02:38.07 | bokey | itchi: heheh.. =) |
| 02:38.11 | |splat| | does any script in /etc/init.d automatically run at boot? |
| 02:38.18 | bokey | itchi: and also using irssi as you said. =) |
| 02:38.26 | enouf | try groups |
| 02:38.30 | solid_liq | xam: it works, try it in a shell. I've been scripting in bash for 6+ years, and programming for over 20. Learn by doing, not arguing. |
| 02:38.33 | geo-rge | |splat|: some do |
| 02:38.34 | itchi | bokey: See also to the irssi-scripts ;-) |
| 02:38.37 | kitche | |splat|: only if it's chmod +x or executable |
| 02:38.44 | geo-rge | |splat|: and in a specified orde |
| 02:38.45 | geo-rge | r |
| 02:38.53 | enouf | hehe .. yeah .. it's groups geo-rge ,y bad |
| 02:39.03 | enouf | my bad even |
| 02:39.03 | itchi | bokey: Once you get it how irssi works, you never want somethings others, realy usefull/powerful |
| 02:39.11 | |splat| | what do you mean by specified order |
| 02:39.22 | magyar | where in debian pool whould i be able to find sasl packages? |
| 02:39.24 | dvs | itchi: and know how to use screen. ;-) |
| 02:39.31 | bokey | itchi: i've made my gnome-terminal transparent and it looks awesome! =) |
| 02:39.38 | xam | soliq_liq: same here, but programming professionally. It seems you've never handled a lot of data, just scripting around some small stuff |
| 02:39.39 | itchi | dvs: Oh, have i not tell about that?? ;-) |
| 02:39.40 | dtrump` | hi |
| 02:39.40 | enouf | dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 02:40.17 | geo-rge | cdrom audio games web |
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| 02:40.33 | itchi | bokey: Next challenge, getting and playing with 'screen'. See http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=105 |
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| 02:40.53 | geo-rge | you must like screen alot :) |
| 02:41.00 | itchi | bokey: You _NEED_ screen :-) |
| 02:41.04 | enouf | geo-rge: having trouble burning as non-root? |
| 02:41.04 | xam | solid_liq: I don't want to insult you, but if you say you have >6 years of bash scripting experience, then I say you still have a bit to learn :-/ |
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| 02:41.32 | geo-rge | let me try this time (never tried under this kernel |
| 02:41.34 | geo-rge | ) |
| 02:41.42 | Guerin | !thomas_adam's theorem |
| 02:41.42 | dpkg | from memory, thomas_adam's theorem is a debian user's uselessness is directly proportional to the probability that s/he will mention "I've been using debian for X years, but I still can't..." |
| 02:41.46 | enouf | geo-rge: cat /proc/version |
| 02:41.47 | solid_liq | xam: oh yeah, then why did everyone agree with me? Obviously you have a little something to learn if you don't know the function of backticks. man bash and learn |
| 02:42.00 | treyh0 | obviously |
| 02:42.18 | geo-rge | Linux version 2.6.18 (root@dual) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 30 05:01:29 PST 2006 |
| 02:42.28 | enouf | $(command) instead |
| 02:42.41 | geo-rge | so I built it just before switching to etch |
| 02:42.48 | solid_liq | yeah well, I'm also tired and have been sick for three days |
| 02:42.51 | bokey | itchi: reading about screen. =) |
| 02:42.52 | geo-rge | cause I have gcc4.something now |
| 02:43.03 | enouf | geo-rge: ahh .. a builder eh? |
| 02:43.06 | geo-rge | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19) |
| 02:43.13 | solid_liq | enouf: that or backticks, they both work fine in that context |
| 02:43.19 | itchi | bokey: It's looks a bit weird in the begin, but you gona see ;-) |
| 02:43.34 | xam | solid_liq: most people here SEEK help or are just regular debian users, that doesn't mean that they are experts in debian maintainance or unix scripting, but that they only know how to solve a particular problem |
| 02:43.41 | bokey | itchi: right. |
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| 02:44.02 | solid_liq | xam: and you're here to argue with the people helping them out? |
| 02:44.10 | solid_liq | xam: over non-points at that? |
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| 02:44.40 | solid_liq | xam: he understood it, everyone else understood it, so what's the prob? |
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| 02:44.50 | itchi | mom's got some compile troubles :-) |
| 02:45.00 | xam | solid_liq: I just made the point that your solution might not work in his situation, as he has A LOT OF FILES and your approach doesn't account for that fact |
| 02:45.03 | geo-rge | wow, TMI :) |
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| 02:45.32 | geo-rge | in fact, wwwWWWWWWWTMI |
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| 02:45.36 | jenna|laptop | imagine being overpowered by a 350 pound homosexual and having |
| 02:45.36 | jenna|laptop | your clothes forcably removed from your body. He destroys your |
| 02:45.36 | jenna|laptop | resistance by bashing your head against a wall repeatedly. He |
| 02:45.36 | jenna|laptop | dislocates your arm from its shoulder socket as he rips your shirt |
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| 02:45.49 | dvs | thanks debhelper |
| 02:45.50 | enouf | nice one :-) |
| 02:45.50 | jenna|laptop | off.The rape hasn't started yet. Once he is on top of you, he takes your |
| 02:45.50 | jenna|laptop | dick in his hands and pulls a pen out of his pocket. He places the pen |
| 02:45.50 | jenna|laptop | at the tip of your urethra (the shaft at the tip of the penis through |
| 02:45.50 | spender | The rape hasn't started yet. Once he is on top of you, he takes your |
| 02:45.50 | spender | dick in his hands and pulls a pen out of his pocket. He places the pen |
| 02:45.50 | spender | at the tip of your urethra (the shaft at the tip of the penis through |
| 02:45.50 | spender | which your urine and sperm leave your body) and he pushes it in, all |
| 02:45.50 | spender | the way. As it resists, he pushes harder, until it bleeds all over |
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| 02:45.51 | jenna|laptop | which your urine and sperm leave your body) |
| 02:45.54 | solid_liq | xam: and it takes them one at a time |
| 02:45.56 | jenna|laptop | leeds all over |
| 02:45.56 | jenna|laptop | you. He continues to push the pen down until it punctures your |
| 02:45.57 | jenna|laptop | bladder. |
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| 02:46.01 | jenna|laptop | bladder. With the pen still there, he turns you over, grabs your |
| 02:46.01 | jenna|laptop | testicles in his hand, and squeezes and pulls with all his might. He |
| 02:46.01 | jenna|laptop | forces his thing into your anus and pushes as hard as he can, in and |
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| 02:46.03 | itchi | !ops jenna|laptop and spender |
| 02:46.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: itchi complains about: jenna|laptop and spender |
| 02:46.06 | jenna|laptop | out, causing skin tearing and infections. Then, after he pumps his |
| 02:46.06 | jenna|laptop | disgusting load into your helpless body, he kicks you, calls you a |
| 02:46.07 | jenna|laptop | disgusting name and then leaves you to bleed. |
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| 02:46.15 | heh_v_water | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.18 | geo-rge | !ops jenna|laptop spender (maybe need kline) |
| 02:46.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: geo-rge complains about: jenna|laptop spender (maybe need kline) |
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| 02:46.29 | Guerin | boring |
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| 02:46.33 | solid_liq | that's really annoying |
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| 02:46.36 | Guerin | surely they can do better than that |
| 02:46.37 | mentor | hmmm |
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| 02:46.46 | solid_liq | xam: and it takes them one at a time |
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| 02:46.48 | itchi | mentor: Want beer? |
| 02:47.01 | mentor | always |
| 02:47.04 | hell00 | what is the command to start an application with a particular file, if the command line for that application does not accept arguments? |
| 02:47.05 | itchi | !beer |
| 02:47.05 | dpkg | i heard beer is liquid gold mate |
| 02:47.12 | itchi | for everyone! :-) |
| 02:47.33 | mentor | !wayttd hell00 |
| 02:47.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, hell00? |
| 02:47.34 | solid_liq | anyone know of a source for nvidia binary drivers for etchy? |
| 02:47.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:47.43 | geo-rge | hell00: you may have to supply the file to the command using a pipe |
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| 02:48.02 | hell00 | geo-rge what about the < and > |
| 02:48.08 | itchi | hhhmm |
| 02:48.16 | Guerin | !nvidia etch |
| 02:48.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@24-177-77-241.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com] by mentor |
| 02:48.23 | Guerin | !etch nvidia |
| 02:48.23 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
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| 02:48.28 | geo-rge | hell00: that would have the same effect. what command? |
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| 02:48.45 | solid_liq | hell00: probably echo filename | command |
| 02:48.48 | itchi | ramon looks suspect too |
| 02:48.55 | kritical | Does anyone know how to setup in /etc/fstab the permissions for when a file is created by the user? I'm mounting a network drive and the default permissions for newly created files appear to be read-only for users |
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| 02:49.09 | itchi | sad invaders |
| 02:49.09 | hell00 | dpkg: run a non-debian app. x server flashes on "open" dialog |
| 02:49.34 | geo-rge | wasn't there a video game called "sad invaders"? |
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| 02:49.51 | mentor | and quebee |
| 02:49.54 | itchi | geo-rge: Hope's there people are not in that game hoho |
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| 02:50.56 | itchi | mentor: Recharge the gun :-) |
| 02:51.15 | geo-rge | pump up the compressed air! |
| 02:51.19 | enouf | stands beside mentor for awhile .. for no particular reason |
| 02:51.22 | Guerin | pre-emptive strike |
| 02:51.35 | geo-rge | pre-emptive puff |
| 02:51.41 | solid_liq | kritical: just make the fourth column defaults |
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| 02:52.20 | itchi | Yeah, now we are all a bit lost here |
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| 02:52.30 | enouf | walks away from mentor |
| 02:52.36 | geo-rge | hell00: so, that command you're trying is? |
| 02:52.44 | mentor | People only like me for my power |
| 02:52.52 | Guerin | how can you fight terr0r if you give up like that? |
| 02:52.58 | itchi | mentor: hehe, no i like you for the beer :-p |
| 02:53.02 | enouf | ah ... just realized too .. heh |
| 02:53.03 | Guerin | they're coming to eat our babies! |
| 02:53.06 | mentor | mmm. beer. |
| 02:53.10 | geo-rge | they |
| 02:53.13 | geo-rge | are |
| 02:53.18 | hell00 | geo-rge: treepadlite. I tried echo and it didn't work |
| 02:53.22 | Guerin | geo-rge: the baby-eaters. |
| 02:53.41 | hell00 | geo-rge: treepadlite. when I start it from the context menu of a file manager, it runs fine |
| 02:53.43 | mentor | itchi: Do you do FOSDEM? |
| 02:54.00 | magyar | where can i get older packages for etch? |
| 02:54.28 | itchi | mentor: Not yet, hhhmm, that will be |
| 02:54.34 | geo-rge | coming to take me away haha theyre comming to take me a way hoho heehee haha to the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes |
| 02:54.40 | mentor | magyar: snapshot? |
| 02:54.41 | magyar | i need to revert to a older version of sasl 2.1.19 |
| 02:54.51 | hell00 | solid-liq: when I right click on the file in (GUI) xfe, "open with" and the app, it runs with the file loaded |
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| 02:54.56 | Guerin | magyar: s.d.n |
| 02:55.13 | magyar | mentor: Guerin thanks |
| 02:55.45 | mentor | hell00: You have looked at the man page for said command? |
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| 02:56.07 | itchi | mentor: Go you go to it? |
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| 02:56.24 | mentor | itchi: On occasion. |
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| 02:56.40 | mentor | Sorry, my mind was wandering around the concept of beer. |
| 02:56.52 | drbair | is a fedora directory server deb available? |
| 02:56.54 | itchi | mentor: Maybe it go my first |
| 02:57.15 | hell00 | I'll figure it out |
| 02:57.18 | kitche | drbair: isn't that a seperate distro? |
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| 02:57.34 | mentor | :( |
| 02:57.53 | itchi | mentor: Does matters if i need to go alone to FOSDEM, at least i go to see how it is |
| 02:58.03 | drbair | kitche: no, its a directory service for linux |
| 02:58.04 | itchi | !beer mentor |
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| 02:58.08 | Damo | apt-get install subversion says no package found, is subversion no part of debian packages anymore? |
| 02:58.19 | geo-rge | svn? |
| 02:58.27 | geo-rge | !info svn |
| 02:58.29 | kitche | drbair: I know that but didn't know they actually released packages for it sicne I knew you had to download it as a distro |
| 02:58.51 | itchi | Damo: First apt-cache search foo |
| 02:58.55 | mentor | itchi: Well, hopefully they will put out abstracts for the talks this year, so it can be seen whether they are worth going to. |
| 02:59.04 | geo-rge | Bookem, Damo |
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| 02:59.29 | geo-rge | !info subversion |
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| 02:59.38 | dpkg | subversion: (Advanced version control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1002 kB, Installed size: 3300 kB |
| 02:59.56 | Damo | itchi, foo? |
| 03:00.33 | mentor | !foo |
| 03:00.33 | dpkg | foo is, like, the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
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| 03:00.59 | itchi | mentor: Added in the calendar ;-) |
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| 03:02.10 | bokey | itchi: i see what screen does now!... nice =) |
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| 03:02.18 | bokey | detaching and attaching. =) |
| 03:02.38 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 03:02.49 | itchi | bokey: Yeah, realy nice stuff :-) |
| 03:03.01 | bokey | =) |
| 03:03.04 | bokey | thanks dude. |
| 03:03.13 | itchi | bokey: Also look for that -x and so ;-) |
| 03:03.22 | itchi | bokey: hehe, dude :-p |
| 03:03.30 | bokey | itchi: so is it possible for you to view my screen session ? |
| 03:03.39 | itchi | bokey: With -x |
| 03:03.44 | bokey | ahh.. |
| 03:03.55 | itchi | bokey: If i have an shell access to you, yes |
| 03:03.58 | looksaus | itchi, things are going really smooth here... I'll have an archive of public tv news online in about a quarter |
| 03:04.02 | looksaus | really pleased with it |
| 03:04.20 | itchi | looksaus: How so? |
| 03:04.37 | looksaus | itchi, that was what you were helping with |
| 03:04.42 | bokey | itchi: ahh..right. |
| 03:04.56 | looksaus | public tv webmasters are being a bit naughty |
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| 03:05.14 | itchi | looksaus: hhhm |
| 03:05.18 | looksaus | hiding urls for the video in a way that is not accessible for any free software system |
| 03:05.37 | magyar | hi, i need to force remove a package ignoring dependencies |
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| 03:06.01 | looksaus | after repeated demands to do so, they had improved things a bit, but that was only by accident |
| 03:06.15 | looksaus | now it's gone down the gutter completely, so... |
| 03:06.41 | mentor | magnus: man dpkg |
| 03:06.42 | abrotman | magyar: don't do that |
| 03:07.28 | itchi | abrotman: Come you also to FOSDEM?? :-p |
| 03:07.42 | geo-rge | magyar: dpkg --help |
| 03:07.44 | magyar | abrotman: i need to |
| 03:07.45 | abrotman | uhm ... where ? |
| 03:07.54 | itchi | abrotman: In Belgium haha |
| 03:07.57 | abrotman | magnus: you don't want to .. you can .. but you don't want to |
| 03:08.01 | magyar | abrotman: sasl update fucked my system |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | itchi: i'm not allowed |
| 03:08.12 | looksaus | itchi, you night owl |
| 03:08.13 | itchi | abrotman: A bit far :-/ |
| 03:08.21 | geo-rge | it's -illegal- to force packages there! |
| 03:08.32 | itchi | owyeah, i have lost it |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | no .. if i leave and go to belgium .. they'll bomb belgium |
| 03:08.53 | itchi | abrotman: haha |
| 03:09.23 | mentor | it's alright. they just inflate it over Milton Keynes for the weekend anyway |
| 03:09.29 | itchi | bokey: Many things |
| 03:09.46 | dvs | Something's illegal in Belguim? Oops! That's Amsterdam. ;-) |
| 03:10.01 | itchi | dvs: hehe, thinking to the same thing |
| 03:10.28 | bokey | itchi: hehe.. |
| 03:10.44 | bokey | itchi: don't tell me Debian is illegal in Belgium. |
| 03:10.46 | bokey | :) |
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| 03:10.53 | itchi | bokey: No no |
| 03:11.17 | itchi | But there's still alternatives to Amsterdam, see /msg dpkg shit oeps |
| 03:11.27 | looksaus | tsss.... :) |
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| 03:11.57 | bokey | itchi: so you mean scratching your own ass is illegal in Belgium ? |
| 03:12.21 | itchi | bokey: no no, just an alternative to Amsterdam (Nederland) |
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| 03:12.31 | bokey | itchi: ahh.. :) |
| 03:12.50 | itchi | bokey: Have you try it? It been work |
| 03:12.57 | itchi | okay, gona stop OT maybe |
| 03:13.03 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 03:13.14 | bokey | itchi: i scratch my balls all the time if that helps. |
| 03:13.16 | bokey | hehee |
| 03:13.29 | itchi | haha, i like jokes :-) |
| 03:13.56 | dvs | TMI! |
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| 03:15.32 | magyar | that sucked ass, thank godnes for s.d.n, the maintainers should be hit on the head |
| 03:15.41 | magyar | almost got a heart attack |
| 03:15.43 | magyar | bitches |
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| 03:16.19 | itchi | ow, us should need to pay attention to the language |
| 03:16.37 | geo-rge | c++? |
| 03:16.55 | bokey | itchi: right |
| 03:17.17 | geo-rge | ok what group do I need to be in here... |
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| 03:17.49 | dvs | huh? |
| 03:17.57 | itchi | geo-rge: For that cd burning? |
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| 03:19.16 | kritical | Does anyone know how to setup in /etc/fstab the permissions for when a file is created by the user? I'm mounting a network drive and the default permissions for newly created files appear to be read-only for users |
| 03:19.26 | bokey | itchi: i have a running image at the moment. so debconf is telling me it's dangerous to remove existing running kernel image. ?? |
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| 03:19.42 | dvs | bokey: true. |
| 03:19.44 | gcbirzan | kritical: umask? |
| 03:19.46 | geo-rge | to burn the cds... and/or do I have to change udev config to do this as plain usr |
| 03:19.49 | geo-rge | user |
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| 03:19.52 | bokey | dvs: what's the solution then ? |
| 03:20.05 | dvs | geo-rge: no, add yourself to the cdrom group, log out and back in again |
| 03:20.05 | bokey | dvs: should I go ahead and reject it ? |
| 03:20.12 | kritical | gcbirzan, that doesn't do it |
| 03:20.18 | geo-rge | I'm in that group |
| 03:20.18 | dvs | bokey: yes, don't remove the kernel |
| 03:20.23 | kritical | gcbirzan, I have umask=0000 |
| 03:20.30 | bokey | dvs: you mean the running kernel right ? |
| 03:20.33 | dvs | geo-rge: did you log out and back in again? |
| 03:20.34 | gcbirzan | kritical: Then the 'network drive' supports permissions itself. |
| 03:20.45 | dvs | bokey: yes, don't remove the running kernel |
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| 03:20.53 | bokey | dvs: right. =) |
| 03:20.56 | gcbirzan | kritical: Which means it's a problem with the user's umask. |
| 03:20.56 | geo-rge | dvs: No. do I have to? I was in that group already, before even booting |
| 03:21.06 | dvs | geo-rge: Oh, then it's OK. |
| 03:21.20 | geo-rge | ok,,, will keep exploring, thanks |
| 03:21.42 | geo-rge | for now, get changed, go to playing session, play, come home :) |
| 03:22.28 | kritical | gcbirzan, so you're saying it's possible that our winblowz domain admin setup the permissions wrong on his end?... and that umask=0000 applies for created files as well? |
| 03:22.28 | bokey | dvs: so now I have said "don't install new kernel", how do I go about installing one ? |
| 03:22.53 | gcbirzan | geo-rge: There was some some Linux capabilities thingy a while back... |
| 03:23.01 | dvs | bokey: just don't install the new one. |
| 03:23.06 | Caelum | how do you do an ssh reverse port forward without opening a shell, with ssh running in the background? |
| 03:23.13 | gcbirzan | kritical: Is this a SMB share/ |
| 03:23.30 | dvs | bokey: sorry, don't uninstall the old one. (It's late) |
| 03:23.40 | geo-rge | kritical: so you know... each different filesystem type (ext2, nfs, xfs, ...) has its own (different) set of options... you would supply options to it in mount command or in fstab |
| 03:23.45 | bokey | dvs: that's ok. i didn't uninstall the old one. |
| 03:23.47 | bokey | =) |
| 03:24.00 | dvs | bokey: and you only have one kernel installed? |
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| 03:24.26 | dondelelcaro | kritical: there's no options to do that for a random filesystem; users determine what permissions they create files with with their umask. |
| 03:24.27 | geo-rge | that's certainly not enough for a bowl of popcorn!! |
| 03:24.30 | bokey | dvs: now when I do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.17-2.686, it gives me again that it has to download so much stuff |
| 03:24.50 | bokey | dvs: yes I have kernel 2.6.8-383 ATM |
| 03:24.51 | dvs | bokey: like udev? |
| 03:24.58 | dvs | initramfs? |
| 03:25.21 | geo-rge | bokey: your kernel won't work right without it, especially if you have any modules you have to load |
| 03:25.29 | bokey | dvs: it has to install like coreutils, debhelper, dpkg so many more... |
| 03:25.33 | geo-rge | ok, shower up time |
| 03:25.41 | gcbirzan | initramfs broke my initrd! |
| 03:25.44 | gcbirzan | *cries* |
| 03:25.53 | itchi | bokey: Yeah, install it |
| 03:25.53 | krazykit | i'm trying to do a one-liner shell script to remove a bit of text from the names of several files, but it isn't working. assuming "for i in *; do blahblah;done", how would I do my mv command? if my filename were "filename.ext", and i wanted "file.ext" |
| 03:26.17 | dondelelcaro | kritical: rename 's/foo//g' list o files; |
| 03:26.39 | gcbirzan | krazykit: a) use rename, b) mv "${i}" "${i/name/}" |
| 03:27.07 | krazykit | thanks |
| 03:27.17 | krazykit | guess my method of using sed wasn't the best >_> |
| 03:27.18 | bokey | there are many more libe libcairo, python 2.4 and so many that are installed *new* |
| 03:27.42 | gcbirzan | Eh, no. At least the one I suggested doesn't spawn an extra shell. |
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| 03:28.02 | kritical | dondelelcaro, what will that do? |
| 03:28.06 | gcbirzan | (It still runs a mv for each file, as opposed to one rename) |
| 03:28.31 | gcbirzan | (One rename for all the files :-P) |
| 03:28.31 | dondelelcaro | kritical: that should have been for krazykit, not you. |
| 03:28.53 | dondelelcaro | yeah; find . -type f -print0|xargs -0 rename ...; is also a powerful invocation |
| 03:29.03 | dondelelcaro | (for when you have *way* too many files) |
| 03:29.18 | gcbirzan | Heh. Yeah. xargs is nice like that. |
| 03:29.27 | gcbirzan | I wish it had a way of specifying a last argument... |
| 03:29.35 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: most of the time you don't need it... |
| 03:29.55 | gcbirzan | Like, find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 mv destinatiDondirectory |
| 03:30.01 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: you want mv --to-dest-dir |
| 03:30.04 | gcbirzan | Well, you get the idea :-) |
| 03:30.10 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: :-P |
| 03:30.17 | dondelelcaro | s/to-dest-dir/target-directory/ |
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| 03:30.53 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: Okay. Problem solved, haha... :-P |
| 03:31.22 | gcbirzan | dondelelcaro: But it still would've been nice. :-) |
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| 03:32.08 | macTijn | hi, any package builders here who are willing to help ? |
| 03:32.13 | dondelelcaro | gcbirzan: yeah, sometimes I find myself wishing for it too... when I get really insane for it, I write perl code that uses system instead of xargs |
| 03:32.16 | gcbirzan | You can try. |
| 03:32.18 | dondelelcaro | macTijn: just ask your question |
| 03:32.51 | macTijn | I am working on a modified version of libpri1.2, called libpri-bristuff1.2 |
| 03:33.07 | macTijn | changed the control file so it provides libpri1.2 |
| 03:33.28 | macTijn | but still I get this: http://paste-it.net/z87fe64 |
| 03:33.28 | dondelelcaro | macTijn: that won't work, because almost every library has a versioned dependency |
| 03:33.34 | itchi | bokey: Goes it the right way? |
| 03:33.41 | macTijn | >= 1.2 |
| 03:33.54 | bokey | itchi: asks for upgrade glibc now [Y/n] ??? |
| 03:33.56 | dondelelcaro | macTijn: Provides: do not satisfy versioned dependencies... |
| 03:34.09 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: ah, that explains... |
| 03:34.19 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: no workaround or so ? |
| 03:34.27 | itchi | bokey: Tell he that you need to stop some services too? |
| 03:34.35 | macTijn | (except for rebuilding all dependencies) |
| 03:35.16 | bokey | itchi: yeah but it didn't detect any installed services which need to be stopped. |
| 03:35.57 | bokey | itchi: so if I upgrade glibc now nothing might break. it will report if something breaks. right ? |
| 03:36.28 | itchi | bokey: Have you got that newer kernel already? I scroll a bit up, missed a bit, like i was a bit away |
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| 03:36.35 | paolo | hello guys |
| 03:36.55 | bokey | itchi: yeah i apted linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 03:37.16 | paolo | any info about gnu/hurd or better gnu/mach (microkernel) ? |
| 03:37.18 | bokey | itchi: I am just gonna upgrade glibc |
| 03:37.20 | itchi | bokey: Okay, install it then |
| 03:37.29 | dondelelcaro | macTijn: the workaround is to call your library libpri1.2 |
| 03:37.32 | abrotman | paolo: info about what ? |
| 03:37.45 | paolo | gnu/hurd |
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| 03:37.50 | abrotman | what about it ? |
| 03:37.58 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: that's quite bad :( |
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| 03:38.07 | paolo | generic info |
| 03:38.27 | abrotman | there's a website .. and there is/used to be a #hurd |
| 03:38.37 | dondelelcaro | macTijn: not really; if you're making any sort of change to the library that's going to affect the API or ABI, you're going to have to rebuild all of the dependencies anyway. |
| 03:38.51 | bokey | there's some warning with Perl: setting locale failed. |
| 03:39.06 | dondelelcaro | bokey: that just means that you haven't (yet) built the locale that you're using |
| 03:39.21 | bokey | dondelelcaro: right. |
| 03:39.26 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: well, it's semi-compatible I believe. |
| 03:39.29 | bokey | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 03:39.43 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: it's quite a mess imho anyway :) |
| 03:39.47 | dondelelcaro | macTijn: it's either compatible or it's not; the latter leads to segfaualts. |
| 03:40.54 | itchi | bokey: Maybe later, look to these FOSDEM movies?? :-) i download these and watch a bit :-) Jus got the first movie already |
| 03:40.57 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: I still didn't figure out how that works with libpri, it's quite weird if you ask me |
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| 03:41.35 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: debian/rules does 2 builds as far as I can see, 1 with $patch, 1 without, and then still 1 package comes out |
| 03:41.36 | itchi | bokey: And the debconf movies, not to forget, that was funny too |
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| 03:41.52 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 03:42.16 | bokey | itchi: we have foss-nepal too you know. =) |
| 03:42.27 | itchi | bokey: Not yet :-p |
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| 03:45.03 | bokey | itchi: i just apted linux-image-2.6.16-2.686 and it updated the grub , everything else. should I reboot now ? |
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| 03:45.38 | itchi | bokey: Euhm, is it done? |
| 03:45.59 | bokey | itchi: now I'll dist-upgrade |
| 03:46.13 | bokey | 415megs to download.. :/ |
| 03:46.21 | bokey | itchi: where's fossdem movies ? |
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| 03:46.30 | itchi | bokey: hhhm, whas that not yet done? |
| 03:46.42 | itchi | bokey: About the dist-upgrade |
| 03:46.58 | bokey | itchi: mostly i saw xfce stuff |
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| 03:47.18 | itchi | bokey: http://www.fosdem.org/2007/media/video |
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| 03:47.57 | dererk[work] | does somebody know how could I know how much memory is using an application like apache, that creates a lot of childs, but as a whole ? |
| 03:48.04 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 03:48.20 | huhlig | grr |
| 03:48.26 | bokey | itchi: Alan Cox, the kernel guy isn't he ? |
| 03:48.31 | huhlig | anyone here played with bugzilla before |
| 03:48.34 | huhlig | bokey, yes |
| 03:48.52 | bokey | huhlig: right. |
| 03:49.03 | kitche | dererk[work]: depends on how many people connect to the apache server |
| 03:49.37 | bokey | how come there's no talk about trechorous computing by RMS ? |
| 03:49.48 | itchi | bokey: Euhm, i dunno |
| 03:50.14 | bokey | itchi: at http://www.fosdem.org/2007/media/video |
| 03:50.20 | itchi | bokey: Look also for the debconf movies |
| 03:50.58 | itchi | bokey: Alan Cox speak about the linux kernel it's looks, but dunno who he is |
| 03:50.59 | abrotman | huhlig: we need a better question |
| 03:51.36 | bokey | itchi: Alan Cox I think is a kernel hacker. ? |
| 03:51.53 | huhlig | abrotman, im trying to fix a problem with a premature end of script and the logs are less then help ful |
| 03:52.00 | abrotman | itchi: Alan cox is a kernel developer, and did/still does work for RH, was the 2.4 maintainer |
| 03:52.11 | huhlig | [Thu Dec 07 19:53:30 2006] [error] [client 75.211.103.187] Premature end of script headers: index.cgi |
| 03:52.12 | bokey | abrotman: ahh.. right. |
| 03:52.33 | abrotman | huhlig: i don't know anyhting about it .. but it's generally better to ask a more specific question |
| 03:52.33 | itchi | abrotman: hhmm |
| 03:52.55 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cox |
| 03:53.09 | dererk[work] | kitche, huh? |
| 03:53.11 | abrotman | oh .. he was 2.2 apparently |
| 03:55.15 | bokey | gee.. wouldn't mind a job at RH. =) |
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| 03:55.30 | abrotman | huhlig: is that the debian package ? |
| 03:55.33 | WonderShowzen | hiya |
| 03:55.39 | WonderShowzen | is etch stable yet? |
| 03:55.41 | bokey | Cox uses Joe text editor. |
| 03:55.42 | huhlig | bugzilla? |
| 03:55.43 | huhlig | no |
| 03:55.51 | bokey | why wouldn't he use vi or emacs ? |
| 03:55.53 | kitche | dererk[work]: if it's sitting idle the apache server it will use very little memory |
| 03:56.18 | itchi | bokey: Ba, everyone use the tool he like :-) |
| 03:56.18 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 03:56.18 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 03:56.34 | bokey | itchi: yeah it's a choice. =) |
| 03:56.41 | dererk[work] | kitche, Oh, well, that's why I said to know the resources it takes |
| 03:56.56 | WonderShowzen | abrotman: do either of those links list a particular date ? |
| 03:56.57 | bokey | itchi: just messing. =).. little bored as lots to download still. |
| 03:57.24 | itchi | bokey: I have paused the movie, reading alan right now |
| 03:57.30 | abrotman | WonderShowzen: there is no set date .. it will be ready when the RC bug count is low enough and it is deemed ready for release |
| 03:57.52 | WonderShowzen | ahh |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | WonderShowzen: those URLs give goals, etc .. but no definitive date |
| 03:58.03 | bokey | itchi: look at his beard. hehe.. geez.. it'll soon overtake RMS's beard. hehe |
| 03:58.07 | WonderShowzen | ok |
| 03:58.28 | abrotman | this is the way software release should work :) |
| 03:58.30 | itchi | bokey: hehe |
| 03:58.35 | WonderShowzen | indeed |
| 03:58.53 | abrotman | WonderShowzen: you can help get it out sooner by filing/fixing bugs |
| 03:59.07 | bokey | abrotman: Alan Cox's win soon win over RMS's looking at his 2005 photo at wikipedia |
| 03:59.18 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 03:59.45 | WonderShowzen | hmm i am a C programmer. would these bugs exist in the kernel abrotman? |
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| 04:00.10 | bokey | abrotman: Alan Cox will soon win over RMS's beared. just looked at his 2005 photo. If he hasn't shaved till today, he probably has won over RMS. =) |
| 04:00.49 | abrotman | WonderShowzen: there are bugs in many applications .. bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 04:00.50 | WonderShowzen | i currently run sarge, this will be my first update. does the process involve updating apt.sources ? or is that not relevent |
| 04:01.02 | abrotman | !tell WonderShowzen about sarge->etch |
| 04:01.07 | WonderShowzen | cool thanx. |
| 04:01.10 | abrotman | bokey: oh .. gotcha |
| 04:01.10 | dondelelcaro | WonderShowzen: you should also read the release notes. |
| 04:01.15 | WonderShowzen | ok |
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| 04:01.57 | itchi | _AciD_: Sleep troubles? |
| 04:02.02 | bokey | itchi: who's Fyodor ? |
| 04:02.38 | itchi | bokey: hehe, euhm, i dunno again haha |
| 04:03.00 | itchi | bokey: I not yet know all these great people, still learning too ;-) |
| 04:03.10 | bokey | itchi: =) |
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| 04:03.19 | bokey | itchi: neither does dpkg. |
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| 04:05.17 | itchi | Gona again kick my download limit with these movies, i feel it. At night there's happy download. (1/2) |
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| 04:10.18 | bokey | itchi: still downloading. :/ |
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| 04:10.49 | bokey | itchi: are still reading Alan Cox ? hehe.. |
| 04:11.02 | itchi | bokey: It take time it's looks there, i have an too fast download. To easy to reach the monthly download limit |
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| 04:11.26 | macTijn | dondelelcaro: thanks anyway, I'm rebuilding a completely new version of Asterisk and libs now ;) |
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| 04:11.30 | itchi | bokey: No no, that's already done, i'm not so slow as that hehe |
| 04:11.30 | bokey | itchi: it's not much. only 512 k |
| 04:11.41 | bokey | itchi: hehe.. |
| 04:11.55 | bokey | itchi: i was just playing with dpkg |
| 04:12.34 | bokey | itchi: dpkg doesn't like RMS or users aren't allowed to add factoids. :/ |
| 04:13.10 | itchi | bokey: Here i have an 10Mbps down and 256Kbps up. 10GB download and 2GB upload. These are realy crazy and lie about the real speed |
| 04:13.22 | bokey | itchi: haha.. |
| 04:13.34 | itchi | bokey: That limit is ways to low |
| 04:13.37 | bokey | itchi: that's a bit too much 10mbps. |
| 04:13.47 | bokey | itchi: what do you do with so much speed dude ? |
| 04:13.50 | itchi | bokey: Yeah never got it, need to tell, big lies |
| 04:14.16 | bokey | itchi: hehe.. |
| 04:14.36 | itchi | bokey: Just the upload speed are true, yeah, how can it go slower |
| 04:15.04 | bokey | itchi: yeah. |
| 04:15.20 | itchi | bokey: I not realy care about the speed, more the month limit |
| 04:15.43 | bokey | itchi: so 1 terabyte would be cool. isn't it ? =) |
| 04:16.16 | bokey | itchi: i got like 100 gb download but slow speed. :/ |
| 04:16.20 | itchi | bokey: That's a bit many, baaa the double of what i have and say, set down my download limit and i'm goes ok with it |
| 04:16.48 | itchi | bokey: I have 1/10 |
| 04:16.55 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 04:17.08 | itchi | bokey: Speed are not so important, to be honnest, it's not nice when you have an download limit |
| 04:17.34 | bokey | itchi: why don't you change your plan ? |
| 04:17.37 | itchi | huhlig: I try to maintain the channel, in awaiting of someone ask somethings ;-) |
| 04:18.08 | itchi | bokey: No choice :-/ or at least nothings better |
| 04:18.20 | bokey | itchi: are you locked in a contract or something ? |
| 04:18.22 | huhlig | itchi, care to help with bugzilla? |
| 04:18.35 | itchi | huhlig: I have never use it, sorry :-/ |
| 04:19.08 | itchi | bokey: No, i can go for another one, but same things, i still look for an alternative ;-) |
| 04:19.10 | huhlig | didnt think so |
| 04:19.48 | itchi | huhlig: You have asked already about that trouble, but i can not help :-/ |
| 04:19.52 | bokey | itchi: atleast you can go for another one where you get more download limit ? |
| 04:19.53 | huhlig | I know |
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| 04:20.11 | bokey | huhlig: isn't there a #bugzilla channel ? |
| 04:20.20 | huhlig | yes, im on it |
| 04:20.30 | itchi | bokey: There's not here :-( |
| 04:20.31 | huhlig | they are, being elusive |
| 04:20.44 | huhlig | its on mozilla.org |
| 04:20.46 | bokey | huhlig: if no one answers there, go to oftc, undernet, dalnet.. try others |
| 04:20.55 | huhlig | bokey, I know |
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| 04:21.07 | bokey | huhlig: :/ |
| 04:21.38 | bokey | itchi: so you can't switch to another rate plan for your internet ? that's bad. |
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| 04:22.06 | wubrgame1 | hey guys |
| 04:22.12 | wubrgame1 | i have a question |
| 04:22.27 | wubrgame1 | how do i configure apt to use a proxy server ? |
| 04:22.36 | abrotman | man apt.conf |
| 04:23.09 | wubrgame1 | apt.conf ! |
| 04:23.10 | wubrgame1 | thank you |
| 04:23.15 | wubrgame1 | i manned apt-conf |
| 04:23.30 | wubrgame1 | silly me thank you ! |
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| 04:24.19 | itchi | wooa, that was a fast guy :-) |
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| 04:26.19 | bokey | itchi: i am reading abt Bugzilla too. |
| 04:26.20 | bokey | =) |
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| 04:26.27 | Kobaz | anyone have any experience with the xbrand laptop stand? it's basically a docking station replacement that converts everything to usb... does it work with linux? |
| 04:27.01 | huhlig | some parts do |
| 04:27.12 | huhlig | belkin makes a similer product |
| 04:27.21 | Kobaz | ah |
| 04:27.25 | Kobaz | some as in which parts? |
| 04:28.45 | bokey | itchi: try http://landfill.bugzilla.org/ |
| 04:29.03 | Kobaz | it has ethernet inputs and a usb uplink basically... i'm thinking of getting something like that for work but it would be worthless without linux support... i would assume ethernet and audio would be the potentially problematic parts |
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| 04:30.00 | huhlig | yes |
| 04:30.04 | huhlig | sudio tends to work |
| 04:30.08 | huhlig | ethernet is iffy |
| 04:30.17 | huhlig | get the belkin, I think the drivers now work |
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| 04:31.36 | Kobaz | interesting |
| 04:31.48 | Kobaz | the belkin is also 100 more |
| 04:31.49 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 04:35.34 | huhlig | belkin is like 59 bucks |
| 04:36.15 | itchi | hhhhmm, that bugzilla install is a bit weird, we not can give the password of the root user to make the database |
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| 04:37.05 | bokey | itchi: http://landfill.bugzilla.org/ |
| 04:37.17 | itchi | bokey: Yeah ;-) |
| 04:38.20 | itchi | Once i log in my buzilla, he redirect to http://localhost/cgi-bin/bugzilla/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi and that not yet exist |
| 04:39.01 | magyar | can anyone tell me how is this bug got closed? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398534 |
| 04:39.10 | bokey | itchi: perhaps you have to start bugzilla first ? |
| 04:39.19 | bokey | itchi: in daemon mode or something ? |
| 04:39.29 | itchi | bokey: http://localhost/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi works, so i guess it is been started |
| 04:39.54 | bokey | itchi: ah.. right |
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| 04:40.00 | itchi | bokey: I dunno how it have start, not yet know that stuff :-) Need to read too |
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| 04:40.44 | bokey | itchi: brb |
| 04:41.08 | JFlash | I'm looking at postfix's main.cf. why 'myorigin' points to etc/mailname in debian/ubuntu? how to work with this sort of config? |
| 04:41.36 | itchi | huhlig: Have you look to #398469 ? |
| 04:41.47 | KhanFused | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.14 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 04:43.28 | Kobaz | huhlig: http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/10_10_06NotebookExpansionDock.html |
| 04:43.37 | Kobaz | huhlig: which one is 59 bucks? |
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| 04:44.49 | transgress | okay i'm planning on doing a clean install but saving my home directory... so i want to clear out my config files. is there an easier way than rm -rf .??* to remove all the configs and avoiding the .. file? |
| 04:45.11 | sneex | use find |
| 04:45.13 | transgress | tat was the only way i could think of to do it |
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| 04:46.14 | goodshit | anyone know of any opensource php monitoring software? that can monitor website. anyone know of any opensource php software that monitor website? when my website is down it'll send me a email or sms anyone know of any software that does that beside cacti and nagios. |
| 04:46.22 | itchi | transgress: If you have your /home on an separeted partition, just format these you want to clean and reinstall |
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| 04:46.40 | transgress | itchi: i want the config files gone though because i'm not installing the same version stuff |
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| 04:47.14 | sneex | find ~ -type f -iname "*" -exec grep -i 'Some*file?pattern' {} /dev/null \; |
| 04:47.23 | itchi | transgress: Have you an separeted /home? |
| 04:47.29 | sneex | only use an rm there instead of grep |
| 04:48.11 | transgress | itchi: yes i have. but my config files in my user directory won't be formatted away |
| 04:48.57 | itchi | transgress: hhhm, these config files in you /home not in /etc/ |
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| 04:49.25 | transgress | itchi: the same ones you have if you run gaim, irssi, gnome, kde, links2, etc... |
| 04:49.43 | transgress | thanks sneex |
| 04:49.46 | sneex | np |
| 04:49.49 | sneex | been there |
| 04:50.34 | goodshit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:50.56 | sneex | see insecurity.org goodshit |
| 04:52.16 | goodshit | ok thx |
| 04:52.43 | eoqqq | ok... so dpkg tells me that ipw2200 is built into kernels >2.6.15... im on debian testing and have kernel 2.6.17... does that mean i have ipw2200 drivers/firmware installed or just drivers? |
| 04:53.24 | sneex | use modprobe |
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| 04:53.56 | eoqqq | network-manager doesnt show wireless... |
| 04:54.01 | transgress | find ~ -type f -iname "*" -exec rm '.*' {} /dev/null \; seem like what i want? |
| 04:54.03 | eoqqq | lsmod shows ipw2200 loaded |
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| 04:54.28 | sneex | transgress: be carefu |
| 04:54.36 | sneex | gd tun0 died on me |
| 04:54.38 | sneex | brb |
| 04:54.38 | itchi | eoqqq: And what tell ifconfig -a ? |
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| 04:55.29 | itchi | eoqqq: Got my question? |
| 04:55.44 | eoqqq | itchi, eth1 is unconfigured on ifconfig |
| 04:55.55 | itchi | eoqqq: Is that your wireless card? |
| 04:55.57 | eoqqq | and eth1 should (was on ubuntu) be the wireless interface |
| 04:56.11 | bokey | itchi: back. |
| 04:56.17 | itchi | eoqqq: okay, so just need to giva an ip and so |
| 04:56.31 | itchi | eoqqq: Then 'up' it |
| 04:56.38 | eoqqq | itchi, network-manager used to handle wireless automatically... coz i use wpa |
| 04:56.52 | bokey | eoqqq: try network-admin |
| 04:56.58 | bokey | eoqqq: gnome ? |
| 04:57.00 | eoqqq | itchi, but maybe ill try that... thing is, iwlist scanning shows no interfaces that support |
| 04:57.01 | itchi | eoqqq: Try ifconfig eth1 up and see if you see hem there in the network-manager |
| 04:57.23 | eoqqq | so i was worried that it might not be loaded or setup correctly |
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| 04:57.27 | eoqqq | ill try that |
| 04:57.42 | itchi | eoqqq: It's looks just not configured right now |
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| 04:57.59 | eoqqq | itchi, also, network-admin doesnt show any wireless options |
| 04:58.10 | eoqqq | itchi, usually it does, but eth1 appears to be a wired interface on network-admin |
| 04:58.33 | niru | My screen gets locked for every 2 mins and I need to logout and in every two mins for this |
| 04:58.34 | itchi | eoqqq: I not see him here unless the card is up with ifconfig |
| 04:58.36 | niru | What I need to do |
| 04:58.50 | eoqqq | itchi, ok im gonna try something i might d/c but thnx |
| 04:58.53 | niru | Do I need to modify somewhere in the scripts or confguration file |
| 04:58.54 | itchi | niru: 'screen' the app? |
| 04:59.09 | niru | itchi:I did not get you |
| 04:59.15 | bokey | how's that ? |
| 04:59.20 | bokey | itchi: ? |
| 04:59.22 | itchi | niru: Okay, then it's not that screen app, |
| 04:59.27 | niru | itchi:A blank screen appears every 2mins my system is ideal |
| 04:59.44 | itchi | niru: Look to the xorg log file maybe |
| 04:59.46 | niru | I want to change that to 3 hours |
| 04:59.57 | Guerin | niru: powersaved |
| 05:00.19 | itchi | Guerin: Wooaaa, have you understand it? |
| 05:00.21 | peterS | dan2: so I'm curious - I don't speak Latin but I'm wondering why you needed a Latin speaker a couple hours ago |
| 05:00.39 | niru | where is the xorg file |
| 05:00.41 | Guerin | itchi: powersaved isn't THAT hard |
| 05:01.01 | itchi | Guerin: Nope, but with what he had tell, i had not image that powersaved is the trouble |
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| 05:01.26 | Guerin | itchi: powersaved can override a bunch of stuff |
| 05:02.30 | niru | Gurein:Which file I need to edit for increasing the time of the screen saver(blank screen) |
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| 05:03.14 | wireddd | is there some sort of server that I can sync all of my contacts and todo lists and everything from kontact with? |
| 05:03.43 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 05:04.05 | itchi | bokey: And upgraded? |
| 05:04.17 | bokey | itchi: still going. =) |
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| 05:04.26 | bokey | itchi: 2 hours more left |
| 05:04.33 | itchi | bokey: ow |
| 05:04.41 | bokey | itchi: heheh.. thanks dude. =) |
| 05:04.48 | niru | Gurein:Which file I need to edit for increasing the time of the screen saver(blank screen) |
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| 05:05.35 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 05:06.12 | bokey | itchi: you know master yoda right ? |
| 05:06.13 | itchi | bokey: Maybe, junior of the junior :-) |
| 05:06.21 | bokey | itchi: hehe.. |
| 05:06.54 | bokey | itchi: he speaks like you |
| 05:07.07 | itchi | bokey: Not my fault he like me :-) |
| 05:07.42 | bokey | itchi: well, uhhm... you speak like master yoda. hehe... |
| 05:07.42 | bokey | =) |
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| 05:07.49 | grendal_prime | wow..this is actually kinda cool |
| 05:07.51 | bokey | it's 4 here ATM boiling hot |
| 05:08.08 | itchi | bokey: You have never heard me realy speaking right now, it's many more crazy in real haha |
| 05:08.15 | eucalre | yo |
| 05:08.24 | bokey | itchi: right. |
| 05:08.24 | grendal_prime | hey ummm...ive been running etch for about 4 days now on this machine...im pretty damn impressed |
| 05:08.38 | bokey | grendal_prime: doing that right now myself. =) |
| 05:08.50 | magyar | does anyone know if postfix-2.3.4-3 is released to etch ? |
| 05:08.52 | bokey | grendal_prime: 1 hrs 53 left. |
| 05:09.02 | itchi | !info postfix etch |
| 05:09.14 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.3.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1053 kB, Installed size: 2440 kB |
| 05:09.42 | grendal_prime | this may sound sort of...like bs..but umm...im running this on a compaq 800 with rambas ram, this thing out performs my xp machine at work, its 2wice the speed of this thing easy. |
| 05:09.59 | grendal_prime | hardware wise.. |
| 05:09.59 | magyar | itchi: odd. |
| 05:10.26 | grendal_prime | now..i have an ati, rage 128 in here.. |
| 05:11.09 | magyar | itchi: i cant figure out how package dependencies get released to etch, if one package that depends on another is braking the server can it be released? |
| 05:11.33 | itchi | magyar: Normally, no |
| 05:11.53 | itchi | magyar: Or the dev eject it |
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| 05:12.11 | khaleel5000 | hi everyone........I had this problem that I couldnot run X as a non root user when I installed debian etch (via DVD) [did just base system then installed additional packages,] well That problem is now solved...I installed KDM (k display manager) then rebooted , got GUI login menu asking for username and passwd , entered and woooh i can now login as non root user in X |
| 05:12.20 | eoqqq | hmm |
| 05:12.33 | magyar | itchi: the bug exsits since november 6, the dev knows it brakes the service but it gets released |
| 05:12.36 | eoqqq | this is weird... everywhere i'm reading it says it's supposed to be straight forward... |
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| 05:12.50 | itchi | magyar: I dunno, im not an DD |
| 05:13.11 | magyar | scarry staff |
| 05:13.20 | grendal_prime | Could not find kernel includes in /lib/modules or /usr/src/linux - cannot build the kqemu module |
| 05:13.29 | itchi | magyar: Etch == testing btw |
| 05:13.38 | khaleel5000 | now a new broblem is that Now when I run synaptic as non root , it asks for my root password, (which is apache) when i enter it , it says incorrect passowrd ! |
| 05:13.42 | grendal_prime | i have the kernel source installed. |
| 05:14.31 | grendal_prime | i would check your capslock, and i would not tell people your root password |
| 05:14.42 | grendal_prime | especially on a chat channell. |
| 05:14.56 | magyar | itchi: it better be -_- |
| 05:14.57 | eoqqq | ah... i might've figured it out.. need reboot |
| 05:15.25 | khaleel5000 | how do i sun synaptic as non root |
| 05:15.46 | khaleel5000 | it asks for admn passowrd (my root password is apache ) i type tht and it denies me access saying passsword icnorrect |
| 05:16.09 | itchi | khaleel5000: gksu synaptic for example |
| 05:16.32 | grendal_prime | did you try running aptitude? |
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| 05:16.53 | khaleel5000 | itchi: yeah its what it sshowss but then asks for passowrd and i type passowrd i.ie. apache but incorrect password! |
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| 05:17.17 | khaleel5000 | grendal_prime: yeah i tried but sometimes i need synaptic |
| 05:17.50 | itchi | khaleel5000: Looks weird, but change your passwd btw _NOW_ |
| 05:17.58 | debula | peterS: hi. are you there? |
| 05:18.04 | peterS | debula: maybe |
| 05:18.07 | khaleel5000 | itchi: okiez trying htat |
| 05:18.17 | debula | peterS: ok, only one question. |
| 05:18.44 | itchi | khaleel5000: He, never tell us your password ;-) |
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| 05:18.56 | debula | peterS: I need to read one whole file and send it over the socket. correct? and i must make sure that the file is sent "complete and with no error |
| 05:19.01 | khaleel5000 | itchi: nope same problem |
| 05:19.22 | itchi | khaleel5000: And if you su ? |
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| 05:19.33 | debula | peterS: so, do you recommend that I use ANSI C FILE thing, or that use open and read system calls? |
| 05:19.39 | peterS | debula: well, you can't "make sure" of any such thing. if there's an error, you probably can't recover from it. best you can do is log the error and shrug |
| 05:19.46 | khaleel5000 | itchi: never tell....well its simple passowrd just till I master this distro so after that it will be changed to some alphanumeric one with caps n stuff |
| 05:20.17 | khaleel5000 | itchi: what if. you su.......same problem .....Authentication failure |
| 05:20.20 | itchi | khaleel5000: If you switch to the root user, that passwd been work?? |
| 05:20.33 | itchi | khaleel5000: Then it's not the right passwd |
| 05:20.38 | peterS | debula: anyway, hmmm - buffered or unbuffered I/O - good question. it's probably more convenient to deal with unbuffered (read/write) I/O especially as you move into using select/poll type stuff, which works with file descriptors rather than FILE* |
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| 05:20.39 | debula | peterS: ok. is there any common method that programmers usually follow for such thing? i mean to send a file over internet. |
| 05:20.41 | khaleel5000 | itchi: yeah that works (earlier login passwd was apache, now its khaleel ) |
| 05:20.52 | itchi | khaleel5000: Crazy guy |
| 05:21.30 | itchi | khaleel5000: Change your passwd again! And no more tell us it! ;-) |
| 05:21.40 | b_ | n |
| 05:21.40 | khaleel5000 | itchi: dude its temperory , i just changed root passowrd to come here and discuss will even change it back to someting simple but of my native language |
| 05:21.50 | debula | peterS: I could figure out where to use 'select' but still have no idea about 'poll'.! any tip? |
| 05:21.56 | niru | itchi:any solution |
| 05:22.12 | itchi | khaleel5000: Yeah, maybe have someone already change that passwd for you haha. Maybe that the reason it no more work |
| 05:22.13 | peterS | debula: select and poll do pretty much the same thing, in different ways. pick one or the other, you don't need both. |
| 05:22.21 | khaleel5000 | itchi: before coming here i specifically changeed root passowrd to discuss , after I logout (when i can su ) i will change it to anyother one agian [apache was also temp root paswd] |
| 05:22.33 | khaleel5000 | itchi: ok re-rechanign passwd adn re-re trying su |
| 05:22.34 | itchi | niru: For that bugzilla no :-/ |
| 05:22.38 | debula | peterS: I see. thank you so much. |
| 05:23.37 | niru | peterS:Which file I need to edit for increasing the time of the screen saver(blank screen) |
| 05:23.39 | magyar | instead if shooting the breeze, three hours gone by fixing a broken service |
| 05:23.51 | khaleel5000 | itchi: ok paswd re-rechanged , but same problem :( |
| 05:23.54 | peterS | niru: Linux console, or in an X server? |
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| 05:24.06 | niru | Xserver |
| 05:24.24 | itchi | khaleel5000: With su, work it now? |
| 05:24.26 | niru | peterS:whenever I leave my system ideal for 2mins a blank screen comes |
| 05:24.36 | peterS | niru: Linux console, or in an X server? |
| 05:24.44 | khaleel5000 | itchi: not with su , nor synaptic (gksu ) |
| 05:24.48 | niru | peterS:And until and unless I logout it is not gone |
| 05:25.00 | itchi | khaleel5000: Weird |
| 05:25.08 | niru | peterS:I manually modify it through preferences |
| 05:25.18 | peterS | I'm not going to try to answer your question until you stop and answer mine |
| 05:25.29 | niru | peterS:But I wan to edit it somewhere in a file |
| 05:25.50 | niru | peterS:I have answered X server |
| 05:26.34 | itchi | khaleel5000: Sure no one have take control of your box? |
| 05:26.46 | peterS | ok so there are various possibilities for what is even doing the screen blanking. The X server will do that on its own, or you may be running xscreensaver, or something else entirely |
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| 05:28.16 | peterS | niru: do you know whether you're running xscreensaver or anything like it, or not? |
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| 05:28.48 | khaleel5000 | itchi: I have dialup .....someone trying to hack my box after knowing my passwd will need like ....eternity ? besides i can change my root passwd that means its under my control (yet?) |
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| 05:29.25 | itchi | khaleel5000: 50%, you can reset it, but still not work |
| 05:29.32 | niru | peterS:xscreensaver is not running |
| 05:29.52 | niru | peterS:I did ps -A and found no xscreensaver running |
| 05:30.08 | khaleel5000 | itchi: thankgot my other partitions are not mounted :D |
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| 05:30.28 | itchi | khaleel5000: That's easy to mount :-) |
| 05:30.41 | khaleel5000 | itchi: which groups shuold a user be in in order to be able to su? |
| 05:30.51 | itchi | khaleel5000: Shoot that computer of the net, eximine it before put it again online |
| 05:30.55 | peterS | niru: it may be the built-in screen saver of your X server, then. you can control that from a command line using 'xset s ......' where ...... represents a pretty wide range of parameters - see 'man xset' for details |
| 05:31.02 | khaleel5000 | itchi: examine how? |
| 05:31.19 | peterS | niru: as for where to _store_ this setting, the appropriate place would depend on your X session type, i.e., are you running GNOME or what |
| 05:31.23 | itchi | khaleel5000: rootkits or whatever |
| 05:31.59 | niru | peterS:How can I make that default for future.I mean next time whenever I install my os it should be disabled by default |
| 05:32.06 | khaleel5000 | itchi: rootkits .....duh , well ok disconnecting......gonna be back soon (hopefully) |
| 05:32.50 | itchi | khaleel5000: That's on your main computer? |
| 05:32.52 | itchi | khaleel5000: Have you another one that can be are online to do some researches? |
| 05:33.09 | khaleel5000 | itchi: yeah if you call it MAIN (me the only user everything in it backed up , no info abt credit card etc [hey i am 17] |
| 05:33.19 | khaleel5000 | itchi: yeah i have anotehr pc ...... will reboot from linux there |
| 05:33.22 | peterS | niru: well, you can run the xset program in your Xsession file, which may exist as ~/.xsession for each user or, if not, /etc/X11/Xsession and the files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
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| 05:34.08 | peterS | niru: alternatively, the X server has some command-line parameters that control its builtin screen saver in various ways - again, read 'man Xserver' for details. whatever happens to start the X server on your system - for example, xdm - you have to tell it to pass the appropriate parameters |
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| 05:35.25 | niru | peterS:ok |
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| 05:44.03 | sid | `mount -t gmailfs none /path/of/mount/point -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass,fsname=zOlRRa`; What would that mount command look like in /etc/fstab? And will fstab mount that fs before I have an internet connection? |
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| 05:47.27 | nsx | is there an easy way to back up a package selection list? |
| 05:47.45 | sid | nsx: dpkg -al &> package.list |
| 05:48.15 | nsx | i don't find that as useful as dpkg --get-selection |
| 05:48.52 | maher | nsx: what's wrong with dpkg --get-selection |
| 05:49.11 | nsx | i think what i'm asking is.. is there an easier way to restore that than to break it up into args to feed to apt-get? |
| 05:49.22 | nsx | maher, nothing at all |
| 05:49.27 | maher | dpkg --set-selection < foo |
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| 05:49.48 | nsx | hrm and then apt-get -f install or something? |
| 05:49.52 | nsx | and it'll take care of everything? |
| 05:50.18 | peterS | you mean --get-selections and --set-selections |
| 05:50.38 | liable | sid: mountall is normally called before networking, so it would take a bit of start no changing (i had a similar problem with samba) |
| 05:51.15 | peterS | liable: just a matter of making sure the mountall script knows which filesystem types to skip (it has a hardcoded list, maybe gmailfs isn't on it) |
| 05:51.26 | maher | nsx: yes |
| 05:51.31 | maher | peterS: yes |
| 05:52.02 | maher | how can paypal be so rubbish? |
| 05:52.23 | liable | peterS: didnt know about that, then how do you automagically do it after mountall? |
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| 05:52.55 | maher | why does reportbug think that tetex-bin 3.0-25 is in testing? |
| 05:54.37 | liable | sid: mebbe a post-up cmd in interfaces? |
| 05:55.42 | sid | actually, maybe I can just run mount.gmailfs as non-root once gnome starts. |
| 05:56.12 | sid | I just want my .liferea and .mozilla to sync, because I waste time organizing them when I switch from my laptop to desktop. since all my preferences are different, ie open tabs and marked read/unread rss feeds |
| 05:56.14 | peterS | liable: it's a bit confusing - all network filesystems are skipped by mountall.sh but then mounted by mountnfs.sh - despite its name, it isn't just for nfs |
| 05:58.15 | liable | peterS: ah, havent looked at that one before.. i guess it didnt work for my samba because i removed the nfs stuff? |
| 05:58.55 | peterS | liable: nah, mountnfs.sh is shipped in the same package as mountall.sh ('initscripts' in etch, I think 'sysvinit' in sarge) |
| 05:58.57 | maher | liable: sid: you can always just write some extra init scipt sthat mount stuff after the network scripts have run |
| 06:00.04 | liable | peterS: hrm, so it is, might have failed for me due to wireless and wpa taking a while to start properly.. |
| 06:00.27 | liable | the post-up should work though, no? |
| 06:01.23 | sid | I want each user to be able to do this though. |
| 06:01.49 | sid | So my mrs can use her gmail for her preferences, and I can use mine for mine. But not have two gmail connections at the same time. |
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| 06:01.56 | liable | put it in the gnome autostart thingo |
| 06:02.34 | sid | $ mount.gmailfs none /home/john/.gmailfs/ -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass,fsname=zOlRRa |
| 06:02.38 | sid | fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied |
| 06:02.40 | sid | fuse: reading device: Bad file descriptor |
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| 06:06.28 | maher | does the firefox "shrink to fit page width" actually work for anyone or is it just a bizarre joke on mozilla's part? |
| 06:06.40 | sid | hmm, I wonder if it's bad for security if regular users can run fusermount. |
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| 06:07.44 | rahul | maher: I have a feeling there's more than one bizarre joke on mozilla's part |
| 06:07.59 | rahul | such as the use of refcounting to create that little extra bit of swapping |
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| 06:08.47 | sjr_ | Can anyone recommend a good Dell system that's fine to run linux on ? |
| 06:10.04 | rahul | dell systems have random hardware |
| 06:10.20 | rahul | you buy something, you get something else, yet another thing is on the invoice. |
| 06:10.39 | cicq | How to change GTK fonts size under ELIGHTENMENT, I changed size to 12px , some program looks good .but some GTK program fonts looks small . |
| 06:10.40 | rahul | don't think you can say anything clear about it given that :) |
| 06:11.21 | SJr|nx | Alright lets go from the start, Intel Core Duo or AMD Turion 64x2? |
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| 06:11.49 | Dewi | Does anyone know of TV Tuner software that can rebroadcast to other machines on the LAN? |
| 06:11.53 | maher | rahul: dell are the macdonalds of hardware |
| 06:11.55 | Dewi | can mythtv do it? |
| 06:12.30 | niru | itchi:I have installed whole kde packages but still I am not getting the desktop |
| 06:12.37 | rahul | SJr|nx: compatibility? CPU doesn't matter much. chipset is much more important. |
| 06:12.45 | niru | itchi:I have the xsrver packages also installed |
| 06:12.51 | niru | peterS:I have installed whole kde packages but still I am not getting the desktop |
| 06:13.02 | niru | peterS:I have the xsrver packages also installed |
| 06:13.04 | itchi | niru: Maybe see /msg dpkg install x |
| 06:13.11 | maher | niru: try /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 06:13.28 | niru | mather:I tried /etc/ini.d/kdm restart |
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| 06:13.40 | niru | mather:it stops and then starts and no result |
| 06:13.54 | SJr|nx | okay so how about the core duo 2? |
| 06:14.17 | maher | niru: what does it say exactly? |
| 06:14.36 | maher | SJr|nx: i have one in my mac mini - it seems to add up numbers just fine |
| 06:14.45 | liable | niru: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:14.47 | SJr|nx | hmmmm and for linux compatibility? |
| 06:14.51 | niru | It says stopping kdm next line starting kdm |
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| 06:15.21 | maher | SJr|nx: installing linux on a mac mini is a pita and i've had to keep osx around for firmware upgrades and boot changes |
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| 06:16.04 | niru | liable:I am reinstalling |
| 06:16.22 | maher | niru: i x running? |
| 06:16.23 | itchi | bokey: Get another faster ISP ;-) |
| 06:16.47 | niru | no mather |
| 06:16.50 | bokey | itchi: yeah i should probably. but it's working OK for me now. |
| 06:17.07 | bokey | itchi: how's your bugzilla going ? |
| 06:17.09 | itchi | bokey: Sure, and like you have no download limit ;-) |
| 06:17.13 | wireddd | is there some kind of server I can use to sync kontact between multiple computers? |
| 06:17.18 | bokey | itchi: hehe.. |
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| 06:17.51 | maher | niru: what version of debian? |
| 06:18.04 | itchi | bokey: I have give that up, like for my there are some troubles with the deb. So at first place, i need to look a bit more what's going with it, and gona give it an try when i'm fresh |
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| 06:19.06 | SJr|nx | whats pita? |
| 06:19.08 | bokey | itchi: yeah.. give it a go when you are fresh. =) |
| 06:19.12 | maher | !pita |
| 06:19.12 | dpkg | it has been said that pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 06:19.13 | SJr|nx | ah I see |
| 06:19.15 | itchi | bokey: At least, it's not normal that we can not give the mysql admin's password during the install so that he could build the needed database and tables |
| 06:19.51 | bokey | itchi: mysql -u root -p ? |
| 06:19.54 | niru | mather:etch |
| 06:20.05 | itchi | bokey: The password of the mysql admin user need to be are blank, i can not believe that |
| 06:20.07 | maher | niru: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:20.24 | itchi | bokey: Yup yup, i know about it ;-) |
| 06:20.30 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 06:20.40 | niru | mather:did |
| 06:20.52 | maher | niru: what happens when you ytpe startx |
| 06:21.06 | niru | mather:even did dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 06:21.15 | bokey | itchi: ahh.. right. |
| 06:21.18 | niru | I didnot see startx mather |
| 06:21.30 | itchi | bokey: Just wonder why i could not give that pass there, i had need to do it my way, but that's not ideal |
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| 06:21.37 | maher | niru: type startx - see what happens |
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| 06:22.02 | bokey | itchi: :/ |
| 06:22.55 | itchi | bokey: I have looked there for bugs, not yet somethings related. So first i need to look to the package |
| 06:23.11 | jair | hey, guys there is a gnu tool on Debian to work with .rar files? |
| 06:23.31 | bokey | itchi: right. |
| 06:23.50 | bokey | jair: unrar |
| 06:23.58 | bokey | !unrar | jair |
| 06:23.58 | jair | bokey: let me try that |
| 06:24.18 | itchi | bokey: hehe |
| 06:24.28 | sid | bleh, gmailfs is annoying. I'm just using sftp heh. |
| 06:24.37 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 06:24.38 | niru | ok maher |
| 06:24.42 | sid | I should be giving less of my personal information to google. |
| 06:24.45 | jair | bokey: :) found it |
| 06:24.50 | jair | I am installing it |
| 06:24.54 | bokey | sid: why ? it's better than counting on ms |
| 06:24.55 | jair | unrar-free |
| 06:24.55 | itchi | bokey: Maybe you wanted to do somethings like !tell jair -about unrar ?? |
| 06:25.07 | bokey | jair: go ahead. |
| 06:25.19 | bokey | itchi: haha |
| 06:25.27 | bokey | !unrar | bokey |
| 06:25.31 | xula | help, I can't install Debian on my new notebook. The install program simply tell me it can't find any hard disk, This notebook is LENOVO. |
| 06:25.31 | maher | bokey: cutting off one leg is better than cutting off both legs |
| 06:25.33 | bokey | !unrar > bokey |
| 06:25.53 | Guerin | xula: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 06:25.53 | maher | xula: what model |
| 06:25.53 | bokey | !tell bokey -about unrar |
| 06:25.54 | itchi | xula: SATA? |
| 06:25.57 | bokey | itchi: hehe.. =) |
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| 06:26.07 | bokey | itchi: that was in #ubuntu with ubotu |
| 06:26.14 | itchi | xula: Is it an new laptop? |
| 06:26.21 | itchi | bokey: I dunno, i use Debian :-p |
| 06:26.24 | sid | bokey: I just prefer to store my data on my own servers. |
| 06:26.35 | bokey | itchi: I use deb too in my workhorse. =)hehe.. |
| 06:27.19 | xula | It's mode is Zhao Yang E660P |
| 06:27.36 | bokey | sid: you should. just play around with gfs abit. I haven't tried that tho. |
| 06:27.38 | itchi | xula: ? |
| 06:28.15 | bokey | sid: so you sftp gmail.com ? |
| 06:28.20 | xula | ii's not a SATA, i am using windows right now |
| 06:28.29 | sid | bokey: no, I can't sftp to gmail, I'm going to sftp to an sshd |
| 06:28.38 | sid | bokey: You can only http or https to gmail. |
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| 06:28.53 | bokey | sid: they use kind of different fs called gfs. |
| 06:29.09 | DavidProck1982 | where would the xorg.conf be located |
| 06:29.10 | itchi | xula: If it's an new laptop, probably the kernel provided with Sarge will not reconise the stuff of your laptop. |
| 06:29.19 | sid | DavidProck1982: locate xorg.conf |
| 06:29.21 | itchi | DavidProck1982: /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:29.21 | bokey | sid: and i don't think google will open sftp ports either. |
| 06:29.26 | TGPO | Daveman, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:29.30 | rahul | gfs is not a reliable filesystem |
| 06:29.31 | sid | bokey: huh? |
| 06:29.39 | rahul | gfs is just for search indexes |
| 06:29.40 | bokey | sid: so the alternative is to file system mounted over http/https |
| 06:29.42 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Yeah, better to know the tool how to find |
| 06:29.58 | bokey | rahul: have you tried it ? |
| 06:30.03 | rahul | bokey: you can't |
| 06:30.05 | xula | Oh. can I use other method to make the kernel know my hard disk? |
| 06:30.08 | rahul | it's not available |
| 06:30.10 | DavidProck1982 | oh wow i did not know about the locate command, that is cool, thanks |
| 06:30.19 | itchi | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 06:30.19 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 06:30.20 | rahul | it requires special software to use anyway. |
| 06:30.34 | rahul | it doesn't work the same way as a unix fs |
| 06:30.35 | itchi | xula: See ^ |
| 06:31.00 | rahul | it's distributed, replicated, unreliable, but perfect for indexing and caching web pages |
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| 06:31.58 | itchi | DavidProck1982: The problem with locate is that the 'data' is stored in an database. So say, you install foo right now, locate should not find anything about foo. You need to update the database |
| 06:32.10 | bokey | rahul: but I thought that's what one of the perl/python module was for. check out http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html for yourself. |
| 06:32.33 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 06:32.39 | xula | OK. Let me try. And is there a way to use the Intel wireless network card to install debian through "net install" |
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| 06:32.58 | TGPO | xula no |
| 06:33.14 | itchi | DavidProck1982: An alternative slower way is to use find or update the database with updatedb but take some time |
| 06:33.27 | bokey | rahul: got something. hehe.. =) |
| 06:33.30 | xula | Thanks. I'll try it now. Bye |
| 06:33.30 | rahul | bokey: that's different |
| 06:33.40 | bokey | rahul: that's not different my friend. |
| 06:33.43 | rahul | bokey: that's not what google calls gfs |
| 06:34.04 | bokey | rahul: that's exactly what we were talking about. mounting a file system over http/https using FUSE |
| 06:34.19 | rahul | ok... but that's different from what google calls gfs |
| 06:34.33 | bokey | rahul: i know it's not gfs but its a glueing library to use gfs (our gmail account) as a mountable space |
| 06:34.45 | bokey | in linux |
| 06:34.49 | rahul | it has nothing to do with what google calls gfs |
| 06:34.54 | bokey | rahul: so I ask again, have you tried it ? |
| 06:34.55 | rahul | you can call it whatever you want. |
| 06:35.02 | rahul | this one? no |
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| 06:35.37 | bokey | rahul: ok. just wanted some advice from people who *have* actually used it. |
| 06:35.48 | rahul | alright... |
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| 06:36.05 | rahul | there seemed to be some confusion there, talking about people outside google using gfs |
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| 06:38.58 | bokey | rahul: Google's paying you enough dough my friend ? =) |
| 06:39.08 | rahul | ? |
| 06:39.19 | rahul | google never paid me a penny, thankyouverymuch |
| 06:39.22 | bokey | rahul: ahh.. |
| 06:39.34 | rahul | they wrote a paper about gfs |
| 06:39.35 | bokey | rahul: hahh.. |
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| 06:39.44 | bokey | rahul: ok |
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| 06:42.54 | sid | I can use loopback encryption on a remote file system right? |
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| 06:44.15 | Kerr_ | ugh.. my stable install didn't shut down problem, then when booting gives crap like being unable to execute getty, and things going too fast :/ i installed a fresh copy on another hdd, but; what on earth happened for things to break so bad :( ? |
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| 06:44.26 | peterS | sid: sorta ... depends on the remote filesystem and what sort of arrangement you have in mind |
| 06:44.31 | sid | To do it locally, cryptsetup(do the keys etc), then /dev/mapper/hda2 will exist, as opposed to /dev/hda2; so you make the file system and the mapper automatically encrypts and decrypts on the fly. so as far as you can tell..it's a normal fs. |
| 06:44.41 | sid | peterS: Well i have an sshfs. |
| 06:45.06 | sid | So my .mozilla and .liferea are written there, but I prefer to have it encrypted if possible. |
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| 06:45.47 | sid | But I don't want to deal with decrypting and encrypting scripts, a nice loopback method where the application just sees a normal fs, and something like a mapper does all the work underneath |
| 06:45.50 | peterS | I don't think you can do that, then, unless you can set up an opaque file on your remote machine and use _that_ as your filesystem, loopback mounting _that_ after you've mounted the sshfs |
| 06:46.03 | pmv_ | sup all |
| 06:46.10 | sid | !greet pmv_ |
| 06:46.11 | dpkg | Gr33tz, pmv_ |
| 06:46.27 | pmv_ | heh, love your nick |
| 06:47.29 | sid | eh, I guess I'll just deal with decrypting and encrypting scripts. heh |
| 06:48.15 | pmv_ | so, let's try this again. anyone here use yaird? :-) |
| 06:48.54 | sid | !tell pmv_ about anyone |
| 06:49.30 | pmv_ | *sigh* |
| 06:49.53 | pmv_ | okay, for some time now I've been trying to get yaird to work with software suspend |
| 06:50.02 | peterS | pmv_: seriously, you don't care if anyone uses yaird. if we tell you that people use it, or people don't use it, that won't change anything. you really intend to ask some _other_ question about yaird. so just ask |
| 06:50.20 | pmv_ | or the traditional initramfs with cryptdisk |
| 06:50.25 | DavidProck1982 | ok im tring to go by this web site to install Beryl http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/emerald_0.1.2-2-svn1163.tar.gz and where it say to update the xorg.conf file, im not sure where to insert what it wants me to uptade, who would know |
| 06:50.27 | pmv_ | tsk, touchy today aren't we |
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| 06:51.11 | sid | DavidProck1982: What branch of Debian GNU/Linux are you running? |
| 06:51.17 | DavidProck1982 | etch |
| 06:51.34 | peterS | pmv_: listen or don't listen, it's no difference to me. I'm telling you how to get answers in this channel. trying to ping everyone who _might_ know the answer to your question, before they actually hear your question, isn't going to do anything useful |
| 06:51.57 | sid | DavidProck1982: I believe it's setup to work out of the box on etch's xorg.conf defaults.(gravity said iirc) |
| 06:52.02 | pmv_ | peterS: it might be, so I know whether to spam everyone with my question, or just save it for someone who can actually help |
| 06:52.25 | itchi | !tell pmv_ -about ask |
| 06:52.28 | itchi | :-p |
| 06:52.44 | peterS | pmv_: we have no idea whether we can help until you actually spit out your question. and neither will you know. everyone who uses yaird isn't going to jump up and say "me, me", this channel just doesn't work that way |
| 06:52.46 | sid | DavidProck1982: What lines are you wanting to add? The composite enable line? check the bottom of your xorg.conf file. |
| 06:52.46 | pmv_ | and I think I know how to get help |
| 06:52.50 | pmv_ | *sigh* |
| 06:53.03 | pmv_ | yes, you are indeed quite helpful |
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| 06:53.30 | pmv_ | but thanks, peterS |
| 06:53.36 | DavidProck1982 | i mean there is different sections like , Section "Module" , Section "InputDevice", im wanting to add , Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" , and , Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True" |
| 06:53.41 | DavidProck1982 | sid? |
| 06:53.54 | peterS | pmv_: it would have been just as easy to open with "does anyone have experience with yaird and software suspend? I can't get it to work..." - at least then we'd know immediately whether we could be of any help. (I can't, btw, I don't use software suspend) |
| 06:54.00 | sid | pmv_: This channel is designed to help people fast and effeciently. Having each person say they use an application when someone asks a question like that isn't very effecient at all. |
| 06:54.13 | pmv_ | yeah, and all this meta-help is certainly efficient |
| 06:54.15 | sid | pmv_: We get 30 persons that ask these questions a day. |
| 06:54.33 | pmv_ | in any case, yes, I get the idea |
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| 06:54.38 | sid | pmv_: Well now it's just principle. We're hoping you'll understand the reasoning. |
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| 06:55.00 | pmv_ | sid: hai, hai, methinks I get it |
| 06:55.06 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Edit your xorg.conf and add in the section screen |
| 06:55.12 | sid | DavidProck1982: no, you don't need to do that. xorg.conf is ready to go. |
| 06:55.17 | peterS | it is efficient in that the time spent enforcing the channel guidelines pays off in the amount of time saved by not having to enforce the guidelines since most people now understand them |
| 06:55.19 | itchi | DavidProck1982: 'section screen' |
| 06:55.32 | sid | DavidProck1982: All you need to do is make sure 3d accel is working(glxinfo|grep direct) and then beryl --replace & or something I guess. |
| 06:55.34 | bokey | itchi: 8 minutes to go |
| 06:55.39 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 06:55.45 | sid | DavidProck1982: And when you get sick of beryl, metacity --replace & to go back. |
| 06:56.16 | peterS | what, you think the novelty of teh wobbly windows will actually wear off in 10 minutes or so? yes, me too, but for people with 1982 in their nicks, maybe not |
| 06:56.16 | itchi | bokey: How long time have it take for the whole download? |
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| 06:56.37 | DavidProck1982 | now where at with in that section |
| 06:56.37 | pmv_ | must be the wrong time of day |
| 06:56.38 | bokey | itchi: 3 hrs |
| 06:56.46 | itchi | peterS: I'm a year older, if you want to know :-/ |
| 06:57.03 | liable | i like the wobblies! |
| 06:57.12 | pmv_ | lol peterS |
| 06:57.35 | peterS | pmv_: it is indeed, this is the low point in channel participation, probably 6:00 - 9:00 UTC |
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| 07:00.55 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Does not realy matters, put it on the bottom, logically |
| 07:01.10 | DavidProck1982 | can i post my xorg.cong and someone show me where to insert these lines Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True" Option "DisableGLXRootClipping" "True" |
| 07:01.34 | peterS | those sound like things that would be in the video device section |
| 07:01.59 | DavidProck1982 | does it have to be inside one of the Section "" that is all ready there |
| 07:02.02 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Section "Screen" |
| 07:02.08 | DavidProck1982 | or inside one at all |
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| 07:02.23 | itchi | DavidProck1982: I follow on http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php it's been noted there |
| 07:02.26 | DavidProck1982 | now where with in thet Section |
| 07:03.01 | DavidProck1982 | that is the same one im going by |
| 07:03.02 | peterS | DavidProck1982: 'man xorg.conf' - learn about the file format |
| 07:03.46 | DavidProck1982 | can u just tell me where at with in the Section "Screen", Just under that line? |
| 07:04.06 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Open your eyes ;-) |
| 07:04.15 | DavidProck1982 | above Identifier"Default Screen" ? |
| 07:04.24 | itchi | DavidProck1982: arg, edit it with vim and /Section "Screen" press enter |
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| 07:04.47 | Demosthenex | howdy |
| 07:04.53 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You readed that man page super fast :-p |
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| 07:05.30 | peterS | itchi: read is an irregular verb - read / read / read |
| 07:05.40 | peterS | (pronounced reed / red / red) |
| 07:05.46 | rahul | think / thank / thunk |
| 07:05.54 | itchi | peterS: hhhm, that looks weird so. Yeah, i'm lack a bit |
| 07:06.02 | DavidProck1982 | ok im reading the man xorg.conf now |
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| 07:06.59 | itchi | peterS: He, thanks to point it out man ;-) |
| 07:07.10 | peterS | np |
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| 07:12.59 | ThomasPorter | I am about to install my server so it goes directly from the modem instead of going from a router. Before running pppoeconf do I need to remove my old settings from when I had a router? |
| 07:13.44 | itchi | bokey: He is been installing right now? |
| 07:13.49 | peterS | ThomasPorter: what 'old settings' do you have? probably just 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces, yes? yeah, remove that |
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| 07:15.31 | DavidProck1982 | i did not quite get what i wanted to know out of that man page |
| 07:15.32 | ThomasPorter | peterS: Yep |
| 07:15.51 | ThomasPorter | peterS: Also in /etc/resolv.conf I have my nameservers.. whats the default for that?\ |
| 07:16.03 | DavidProck1982 | so if i add those 2 lines under DefaultDepth 24 would that be ok |
| 07:16.04 | peterS | DavidProck1982: the imporatant bit is that within a given section (like the "Screen" section) it doesn't matter much what order the options come |
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| 07:16.31 | DavidProck1982 | peterS: so if i add those 2 lines under DefaultDepth 24 would that be ok |
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| 07:16.47 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Try to analyse that xorg.conf file. Look maybe to the Section "InputDevice" to see how you need to add that Option?? |
| 07:16.48 | peterS | it might. how should I know? I've never used whatever setup you're trying to achieve. |
| 07:17.41 | ThomasPorter | peterS: Should I also remove this line: auto eth0 |
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| 07:18.03 | peterS | ThomasPorter: I think you'll want that eventually anyway so go ahead and leave it in |
| 07:18.10 | DavidProck1982 | itchi: so at the end of the last EndSubSection |
| 07:18.15 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Just below the last SubSection "Display" in the Section "Screen" |
| 07:18.44 | DavidProck1982 | just under the last EndSubSection ? |
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| 07:18.50 | ThomasPorter | peterS: Cheers ;) |
| 07:19.05 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Section "Screen" And here goes many stuff and a subsection EndSection |
| 07:19.18 | peterS | ThomasPorter: hmmm, or maybe not. I notice in my own DSL setup I don't bring up that ethernet interface via 'auto', but rather by using a line 'pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up' for the ppp interface |
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| 07:20.05 | peterS | ThomasPorter: for reference, http://p12n.org/tmp/interfaces - you can ignore the bit about eth1, that's my other ethernet card (for the internal network) |
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| 07:20.30 | DavidProck1982 | well i think i got it |
| 07:20.34 | DavidProck1982 | later |
| 07:20.34 | ThomasPorter | peterS: I was planning to install it using pppoeconf so it should all be done automatically |
| 07:20.36 | LoneShadow | anyone running debian on a usb flash drive ? |
| 07:21.01 | dondelelcaro | LoneShadow: there are quite a few people who do |
| 07:21.02 | DavidProck1982 | wouldnt a usb flash drive ? be slow |
| 07:21.05 | ThomasPorter | peterS: http://p12n.org/tmp/interfaces that helps thank |
| 07:21.15 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Define 'slow' |
| 07:21.35 | LoneShadow | its not the question speed, its for storing secure information |
| 07:21.41 | DavidProck1982 | read and wrights and notice a longer load time |
| 07:21.46 | rahul | secure? hah |
| 07:21.55 | LoneShadow | encrypted fs :D |
| 07:22.01 | LoneShadow | secure enough for me :) |
| 07:22.02 | peterS | ThomasPorter: I can't remember whether pppoeconf by itself gave me a working setup or if I had to tweak anything - it's been so terribly long since I set it up. so keep my interfaces file handy in case, for example, it complains about eth0 not being up so ppp can't use it. the 'pre-up' line prevents that problem. |
| 07:22.05 | DavidProck1982 | read ant wright times* |
| 07:22.08 | rahul | if you say so |
| 07:22.32 | LoneShadow | you dont trust encrypted filesystems ? |
| 07:22.42 | rahul | not much |
| 07:23.00 | LoneShadow | why not ? |
| 07:23.02 | rahul | how protected is the key? |
| 07:23.02 | sid | I do. |
| 07:23.23 | sid | rahul: It's around my neck 24/7 |
| 07:23.33 | dondelelcaro | they're better than nothing, but they're not absolute security. |
| 07:23.35 | rahul | no, the key |
| 07:23.39 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, no form of encryption is) |
| 07:23.45 | rahul | encryption key |
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| 07:23.55 | sid | rahul: yes, it's around my neck 24/7 |
| 07:24.00 | peterS | by 24/7 I suppose you mean you shower with it on. which is interesting, most devices that can be used as keys for encrypted filesystems aren't waterproof |
| 07:24.02 | dondelelcaro | rahul: he could very well be wearing the hashed key |
| 07:24.08 | rahul | sid: that's very insecure... |
| 07:24.13 | sid | rahul: I guess. |
| 07:24.15 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's not like it would be that difficult to make one |
| 07:24.29 | rahul | someone could read it and be able to get the info off your drive |
| 07:24.33 | peterS | dondelelcaro: or maybe the key is actually written, as a tattoo, literally around his neck |
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| 07:24.36 | sid | rahul: Someone could steal it, but they could also just put a gun to my head and I would just give them the data and anything else they wanted. |
| 07:24.40 | peterS | which _really_ isn't secure (: |
| 07:24.48 | dondelelcaro | peterS: wouldn't that make him like "bullet proof monk"? |
| 07:24.50 | LoneShadow | would you rather have a unsecured system to hold on your important information vs encrypted fs ? |
| 07:25.12 | rahul | sid: they don't even need to get close physical access to you to get the key this way |
| 07:25.16 | rahul | just read it with a camera |
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| 07:25.32 | rahul | and I hope you don't use it on other peoples' computers |
| 07:25.45 | LoneShadow | I am sure for every security, there will be a newer threat today or tomm. But thats not stopping people from inventing and using security features |
| 07:25.59 | sid | rahul: It's digital information, on flash memory around my neck. |
| 07:26.08 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I've heard a few stories of USB drives surviving quite the dunking. |
| 07:26.10 | sid | rahul: I don't keep sheets of paper around my neck. |
| 07:26.12 | rahul | sid: the key is on the drive? |
| 07:26.15 | peterS | no system is secure unless it authenticates you by asking your name, your quest, and your favorite color |
| 07:26.29 | LoneShadow | they make these new usb drives |
| 07:26.29 | rahul | no no |
| 07:26.31 | sid | rahul: yes |
| 07:26.31 | karsten | peterS: Kings have to know these things. |
| 07:26.42 | rahul | it has to show you a picture and ask you to confirm its caption |
| 07:26.43 | karsten | peterS: What is your name? |
| 07:26.47 | LoneShadow | supposed to be some sort of "titatinum" enclosure |
| 07:26.52 | peterS | arthur, king of the britons |
| 07:26.55 | rahul | sid: ... so it's not secure at all |
| 07:26.59 | karsten | peterS: What is your quest? |
| 07:27.03 | peterS | I seek the holy grail |
| 07:27.26 | itchi | hehe |
| 07:27.26 | rahul | sid: that's like leaving the key to your car in the door |
| 07:27.26 | karsten | peterS: What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow? |
| 07:27.26 | peterS | african or european? |
| 07:27.27 | karsten | I don't know. |
| 07:27.29 | karsten | Aaaaaah! |
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| 07:27.49 | peterS | karsten: I was close to completing the joke by literally kicking you, but I didn't |
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| 07:28.03 | sid | ok, I have sshfs all setup so .liferea and .mozilla are synced..but it seems to run a little slowly on boot. |
| 07:28.05 | karsten | I was about to /quit, but I've got too many channels open ATM. |
| 07:28.10 | karsten | peterS: Heh. |
| 07:28.23 | sid | I wonder how much data is sent on boot. .liferea is 7 megs, and .mozilla is 24 megs. |
| 07:28.24 | peterS | /kick karsten Aaaaaaaaaah |
| 07:28.42 | karsten | Yeah, yeah... |
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| 07:28.58 | LoneShadow | sid: are you using squashfs ? |
| 07:29.06 | sid | This would be better if I gziped on the fly I bet. |
| 07:29.23 | sid | LoneShadow: I don't know what squashfs is, I'm using sshfs I believe. |
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| 07:30.02 | peterS | sid: you should combine the two and call it squasshfs |
| 07:30.10 | peterS | oh noes, another DavidProck |
| 07:30.14 | LoneShadow | heh |
| 07:30.23 | itchi | peterS: :-p |
| 07:30.25 | LoneShadow | its a compressed fs used for LiveCDs |
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| 07:30.48 | sid | LoneShadow: ahh. my friend from my lug maintains unionfs |
| 07:30.54 | sid | I've never heard of squashfs |
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| 07:32.00 | LoneShadow | I take it that you did debootstrap install into your usb drive |
| 07:32.11 | sid | But squashfs is a real fs, sshfs just lays on top of the existing fs. I don't even need to be root to run sshfs. |
| 07:32.41 | sid | LoneShadow: no, I'm talking about having liferea and firefox synced when I move from my desktop at home, to my laptop at school etc. |
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| 07:33.16 | sid | Because I'll always have a tab open in firefox on my desktop, and it won't be open when I go to school and pop open the laptop.(but now it will) |
| 07:33.32 | sid | Or I'll have read 20 rss feeds in lifera at school, come back home..and all those rss feeds are marked as unread on my desktop machine. |
| 07:33.47 | sid | But now everything is synced and more efficient. |
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| 07:34.31 | LoneShadow | http://www.linux-live.org/ |
| 07:34.42 | LoneShadow | Is there a live cd for debian ? |
| 07:34.43 | sid | But .mozilla is 24 megs, and .liferea is 7 megs, so I need to do some gzipping on the fly to lower the bw load when the applications first start and read the preferences data and crap. |
| 07:34.54 | sid | LoneShadow: And official one you mean? |
| 07:35.10 | LoneShadow | yes official one |
| 07:35.17 | sid | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:35.23 | schme | What's wrong with google browser sync? |
| 07:35.27 | itchi | LoneShadow: See /msg dpkg live-cd |
| 07:35.33 | cast_ | grml is a really good debian based live cd btw :) |
| 07:36.06 | sid | schme: Google has too much data. I don't want them having my cookies! |
| 07:36.08 | cast_ | [easy to remaster and aptiude install whatever you want on it] |
| 07:36.25 | sid | schme: And google doesn't do lifera. and I disklike gmailfs |
| 07:36.25 | schme | sid: :) |
| 07:36.27 | ThomasPorter | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.35 | schme | sid: good points! |
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| 07:41.31 | sid | squashfs wouldn't help, since the data when read would just decompress on the fly and send. so same amount of bytes. |
| 07:42.07 | sid | I need to find someone who is really cheap with their disk space, and wrote hacks for programs like firefox and liferea, so they zcat the preferences data to save a few bytes. heh |
| 07:42.33 | unfo | hi all, any ops around? please ban DoGan, who is running a script that advertises to everyone who joins the channel. |
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| 07:42.57 | sid | unfo: no ads here |
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| 07:43.26 | unfo | i got it again in a PM. |
| 07:43.40 | faust__ | I didn't.. |
| 07:43.48 | unfo | odd. |
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| 07:44.42 | faust__ | Spam-bots might be a bit dodgy on who they hit though, to make consistent spotting harder. |
| 07:44.48 | sid | right |
| 07:44.51 | itchi | !ops looks like DoGan play, according to unfo |
| 07:44.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: itchi complains about: looks like DoGan play, according to unfo |
| 07:45.02 | sid | They could script it so it doesn't pm people who speak. since they might be likely to rat them out. |
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| 07:45.40 | unfo | sid: what do you mean by "who speak"? |
| 07:45.53 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 07:45.53 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.108.151.230] by peterS |
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| 07:46.11 | sid | s/speak/type in here/ |
| 07:46.12 | itchi | goaaal, 1-0 |
| 07:46.19 | unfo | itchi: :-) |
| 07:46.30 | bokey | itchi: who scored ? |
| 07:46.33 | unfo | peterS: thanks. Is there a way to get the guy banned from freenode? |
| 07:46.34 | sid | unfo: So persons like us, it would be silly to spam us..we'd just snitch them out and be gone with them. |
| 07:46.40 | itchi | peterS: That was an beautifull kick man |
| 07:47.01 | peterS | unfo: if RichiH is paying attention he will k-line the IP address. otherwise you can "/stats p" to figure out who is on duty and /msg that person |
| 07:47.01 | sid | unfo: But someone else, might not like typing in here, or be uncomfortable. So they're better targets. |
| 07:47.05 | itchi | bokey: aaha, peterS ;-) |
| 07:47.20 | sid | 0 staff members on duty |
| 07:47.26 | bokey | itchi: well i thought there was a soccer match. :/ i love soccer |
| 07:47.35 | faust__ | Used to have a spam problem on undernet, but then I got ops. Seems they don't bother opped people so much. |
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| 07:47.49 | peterS | sid: oh well... you'd think they would have a 'report abuse' IRC channel, but AFAIK, they don't |
| 07:47.50 | faust__ | Because that'd be downright suicidal :) |
| 07:47.51 | RichiH | PDani: he is |
| 07:47.54 | unfo | RichiH: try #asterisk |
| 07:47.55 | pmv_ | huh |
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| 07:48.02 | faust__ | Problem there though is in-channel spotter bots and the spam coming from outside. |
| 07:48.26 | sid | yep |
| 07:48.42 | sid | And changing aliases every 25 seconds. |
| 07:49.05 | sid | If you throw in tor/i2p and a few thousand open proxies. can be a nightmare |
| 07:49.06 | unfo | RichiH: thanks for checking :) |
| 07:49.28 | peterS | sid: good thing we don't allow anonymous tor in #debian (: that helps some |
| 07:49.28 | unfo | why does freenode allow ppl to connect thru tor? |
| 07:49.50 | sid | I dunno, but I love it. |
| 07:49.51 | bokey | unfo: because freenode supports tor |
| 07:49.56 | sid | tor is awesome. I use it 24/7 |
| 07:50.15 | unfo | bokey: that is true. Tor has many advantages too. |
| 07:50.21 | sid | I'm on some random shell right now, and I `torify ssh shell`; |
| 07:50.24 | unfo | I just hate the disadvantages. :) |
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| 07:50.37 | faust__ | unfo, should be one client per ip, mandatory registration, limited port, restr... oh wait. That sounds like a microsoft product. |
| 07:50.43 | peterS | for IRC, tor doesn't seem all that useful - if you need to hide your source IP, you get a usercloak |
| 07:51.10 | unfo | do ad bots get usercloaks? |
| 07:51.10 | Guerin | unfo: not for long |
| 07:51.10 | sid | What if you want to hide it from the persons with o-lines in the ircd.conf? |
| 07:51.17 | RichiH | unfo: np, tanks for reporting :) |
| 07:51.36 | bokey | unfo: yeah. you would have to count the disadvantages.. but I heard there are ways to catch tor abusers. |
| 07:51.36 | peterS | sid: then I'd have to ask why |
| 07:51.36 | unfo | RichiH: thanks for k-lining :) |
| 07:51.38 | peterS | sid: if you don't trust the ircops you find another irc network |
| 07:51.39 | sid | Or if you're afraid said ircd will be breached, or they will have to give up logs from a subpeona. |
| 07:51.49 | Guerin | sid: the principle of private ownership applies to irc |
| 07:52.05 | peterS | sid: also, in #debian we don't worry so much about such things as we don't do anything illegal in here like trade warez |
| 07:52.05 | faust__ | peterS: The feds, man, they're watching us, man, with their like mind control rays. Scary stuff, dude. Like, wow, man. |
| 07:52.07 | Guerin | ie: you're on my turf, you have no rights except those I grant you |
| 07:52.27 | sid | eh, seems like a good idea to exercise anonymity sometimes. Especially for public networks, even if you trust the admins. |
| 07:52.28 | unfo | Do you trust web search engines to keep your search history private? |
| 07:52.31 | sid | (which I do) |
| 07:52.32 | faust__ | My reason to hide stuff: Because I can. |
| 07:52.41 | faust__ | I don't bother on IRC though. |
| 07:52.43 | unfo | Do you trust the Internet operators not to sniff all your email? |
| 07:52.48 | Guerin | i don't bother with anything except ssh |
| 07:52.53 | unfo | There are tons of privacy issues on IRC. |
| 07:52.58 | unfo | *on the Internet |
| 07:53.04 | faust__ | unfo: I trust the internet operators ok, I just don't trust Echelon :) |
| 07:53.07 | Guerin | unfo: yeah, but I don't care about any of them. |
| 07:53.09 | unfo | nor do I :) |
| 07:53.15 | sid | Guerin: Well torify is great, you can wrap it around basically anything. So just `torify ssh blah` is what I do. |
| 07:53.20 | unfo | echelon sucks. |
| 07:53.21 | bokey | the point in running tor is to prevent oneself from being a victim of traffic analysis. it's not to be used to abuse freenode |
| 07:53.25 | peterS | faust__: well, anonymity is great and all but it makes a pretty poor basis for communication - which is what IRC is all about. communication. if nobody knows whom they're talking to, what's the point at all |
| 07:53.26 | Guerin | sid: yeah, I know about tor. |
| 07:53.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:53.37 | faust__ | peterS, exactly. |
| 07:53.40 | Guerin | at my work, everyone has plausible deniability |
| 07:53.49 | unfo | Guerin: how? |
| 07:54.04 | Guerin | everyone's login is firstinitialsurname: lguerin |
| 07:54.16 | Guerin | everyone's password is surnamefirstinitial |
| 07:54.21 | Guerin | louidg |
| 07:54.23 | Guerin | louisg |
| 07:54.35 | Guerin | and if you change it, people get pissy |
| 07:54.40 | faust__ | Sounds like a structural security issue :) |
| 07:54.53 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:55.02 | Guerin | but in reality, it seems to work very well |
| 07:55.04 | faust__ | Might as well make all the passwords "god", "love" and "sex" :) |
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| 07:55.21 | Guerin | faust__: it's be harder that way because you'd have to figure out which of the three to use |
| 07:55.37 | faust__ | Yeah, but three attempts is the usual limit, so.. :) |
| 07:56.21 | faust__ | Hmm.. I just had a puzzling thought. |
| 07:56.35 | faust__ | I hang around in this channel mostly so I can get quick answers to any debian-related problems I might have. |
| 07:56.43 | faust__ | But yesterday I ditched my last debian-based box. |
| 07:56.59 | bokey | faust__: why ? |
| 07:56.59 | Guerin | faust__: begone, infidel! |
| 07:57.01 | faust__ | Problem is, this channel is much more fun than the other distros. |
| 07:57.08 | sid | heh |
| 07:57.15 | faust__ | bokey: Had to reinstall, couldn't find Debian media, store closed. |
| 07:57.18 | faust__ | Out of cdr.. |
| 07:57.22 | sid | Is this freenode or oftc? |
| 07:57.26 | faust__ | So, Centos. Try it for size. |
| 07:57.27 | peterS | sid: yes |
| 07:57.33 | faust__ | It's already annoying the hell out of me though. |
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| 07:57.38 | peterS | faust__: even #gentoo-otw? that is said to be fun if you're 12 or under |
| 07:57.50 | itchi | peterS: hehe |
| 07:57.52 | Guerin | i recommend #politics |
| 07:58.00 | Guerin | for all your holocaust-denial needs |
| 07:58.01 | bokey | faust__: debian's so cool dude. |
| 07:58.09 | sid | I guess the move will take a long time. |
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| 07:58.23 | faust__ | gentoo is for people who like reinventing the wheel, #politics is a minefield in any network. |
| 07:58.30 | sid | !start a distro war |
| 07:58.30 | dpkg | Mandriva 0wnz! |
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| 07:58.43 | peterS | sid: the move might never happen. There are #debian channels on all major networks, or so I hear, so it doesn't have much to do with where irc.debian.org points |
| 07:58.44 | pmv_ | haha |
| 07:58.44 | ap0cq | hello everyone. um i can't seem to mount a usb flash drive,.. |
| 07:58.48 | bokey | hehe |
| 07:58.50 | SubStack | !start an editor war |
| 07:58.50 | dpkg | joe sucks |
| 07:58.52 | faust__ | and for every service I add to my "new" server, I hate SElinux more.... |
| 07:58.52 | Guerin | the only way to be truly extreme in #politics is to be a moderate |
| 07:58.56 | pmv_ | emacs r0xx |
| 07:59.01 | pmv_ | :-p |
| 07:59.02 | bokey | !start a bot war |
| 07:59.02 | dpkg | @start a bot war |
| 07:59.04 | Guerin | that way you piss *everyone* off |
| 07:59.14 | pmv_ | lol Guerin |
| 07:59.16 | sid | !abuse |
| 07:59.16 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 07:59.18 | Guerin | and so much more if you actually know a little bit about what you're talking about |
| 07:59.18 | faust__ | Dammit! If I can't get this working in the next few hours, the server is getting a nice, warm serving of Debian Stable again. |
| 07:59.19 | SubStack | emacs for the lose |
| 07:59.23 | SubStack | everyone should use ed |
| 07:59.31 | pmv_ | ap0cq: make sure you have the scsi disk modules loaded |
| 07:59.43 | peterS | SubStack: but ... ed doesn't have an irc client built in |
| 07:59.47 | peterS | SubStack: how will I irc? |
| 08:00.03 | bokey | SubStack: joe |
| 08:00.05 | SubStack | peterS: who needs a client? |
| 08:00.14 | peterS | SubStack: I do, I'm not willing to use telnet for irc |
| 08:00.17 | faust__ | wait a sec... emacs has an integrated irc client? |
| 08:00.22 | Guerin | peterS: n00b |
| 08:00.25 | peterS | faust__: emacs has about 3 integrated irc clients. |
| 08:00.27 | Guerin | faust__: of course! |
| 08:00.27 | faust__ | Isn't that at the very top of the stupid feature list for a text editor? |
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| 08:00.38 | Guerin | faust__: there are stupider features. |
| 08:00.40 | faust__ | Granted, you don't have to do a text input box... |
| 08:00.41 | peterS | faust__: as it happens, I don't use any of them, but I happen to know that there are people in this channel who do |
| 08:00.45 | esteel | <peterS> faust__: emacs has about 3 integrated irc clients. |
| 08:00.49 | esteel | peterS: i think its 2 ;) |
| 08:00.56 | Guerin | happily, emacs is quite modular |
| 08:00.58 | esteel | erc and that simpler one.. |
| 08:01.02 | ap0cq | <pmv>do these mods come with the minimal installation? |
| 08:01.11 | peterS | esteel: depends on what you mean by 'integrated'. some are available externally, but still run from inside emacs |
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| 08:01.17 | faust__ | esteel: Guerin has mpd. To him, the regular text editor is IRC too :) |
| 08:01.18 | pmv_ | ap0cq: what version? |
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| 08:01.33 | Guerin | faust__: he does not! |
| 08:01.44 | pmv_ | esteel: well, you can run eshell or ansi-term in emacs, so it can pretty much run anything ;-) |
| 08:01.53 | Adonai | im having issues with apt- I cannot connect to mirrors.kernel.org but links sees it just fine |
| 08:02.01 | esteel | peterS: well i mean emacs-snapshot (cvs) is shipping with 2 irc clients |
| 08:02.04 | faust__ | so, you run an editor from a shell, and uses it to do shell tasks... |
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| 08:02.16 | ap0cq | the downloadable iso file....31r4 |
| 08:02.20 | pmv_ | hee hee |
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| 08:02.23 | esteel | faust__: 8-) |
| 08:02.33 | Adonai | its on and off |
| 08:02.38 | pmv_ | ap0cq: sure |
| 08:02.42 | esteel | faust__: ssh, screen, emacs.. yeah baby :) |
| 08:02.47 | peterS | esteel: there's erc and zenirc, plus some I haven't really heard of (liece, riece). and that's without looking at emacs-snapshot itself to see what is included there |
| 08:03.04 | pmv_ | ap0cq: |
| 08:03.04 | pmv_ | glenstorm:~$ lsmod | grep scsi |
| 08:03.04 | pmv_ | scsi_mod 123080 3 libata,sd_mod,usb_storage |
| 08:03.11 | faust__ | Every time I hear about emacs features, I am more and more sure I did the right thing when I chose vim as my preferred fuck-up-the-configs-tool. |
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| 08:03.15 | Guerin | not quite init=/usr/bin-emacs-snapshot |
| 08:03.19 | Guerin | but there you go |
| 08:03.22 | pmv_ | haha |
| 08:03.42 | faust__ | That's all I really do with editors. Break stuff. |
| 08:03.43 | peterS | faust__: you think excess features is a good reason to avoid a product? it's not like the emacs irc clients jump out at you as you're trying to edit your .bashrc file |
| 08:03.55 | Guerin | i'd use vim if only it didn't constantly go into stupid ha-ha-i-can-stop-you-doing-anything mode |
| 08:04.03 | pmv_ | lol |
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| 08:04.11 | faust__ | peterS, only a question of time before someone does a viral Clippy extension, like Pitr's evil plan for VI in UF. |
| 08:04.11 | pmv_ | Guerin: you mean when you go 'q' |
| 08:04.35 | Guerin | pmv_: it happens whenever i hit a key than's not [a-z0-9] |
| 08:04.39 | peterS | faust__: like vigor? |
| 08:04.45 | esteel | faust__: you know someone DID vigor? that is implement pitrs idea.. |
| 08:04.56 | faust__ | Ok, I need to stop talking to you people. |
| 08:04.58 | peterS | and yes, it's in debian |
| 08:05.04 | pmv_ | heehee |
| 08:05.08 | esteel | it is? OMG |
| 08:05.10 | faust__ | I'm almost headed back to Wintendo by now. The devil you know... |
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| 08:05.30 | peterS | faust__: rest assured, vigor isn't implemented in _vim_, but in nvi. so you are still safe. for now. |
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| 08:05.48 | faust__ | Ironically, I'm on wintendo now, because I fucked up my linux install on this laptop while playing around with encrypted partitions. Didn't fly too well with SElinux :) |
| 08:06.18 | faust__ | But since windows's default state is broken, there's nothing I can do to purposely fuck it up, so it gives me IRC. |
| 08:06.49 | peterS | I disagree. its default state is "barely usable", but going from there to broken seems to be pretty easy. |
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| 08:07.08 | faust__ | Hmm. You're right. |
| 08:07.35 | faust__ | It goes from barely usable to good-looking but barely usable with the addition of the Tango shell conversion and Clearlooks though :) |
| 08:08.34 | Guerin | how do you manage to fuck debian up? |
| 08:08.43 | Guerin | i've been trying in vain for years |
| 08:08.43 | ap0cq | <pmv_> ls mod: i get no such file or directory..... |
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| 08:08.47 | faust__ | I didn't. It was leaving it alone that fucked it up. |
| 08:09.07 | faust__ | unpatched sshd and a kernel overflow issue allowed some script kiddie total access. |
| 08:09.08 | itchi | faust__: You was drunken that day |
| 08:09.18 | peterS | ap0cq: lsmod does not have a space in it |
| 08:09.43 | pmv_ | heh |
| 08:09.46 | ap0cq | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.53 | Inkvisitor | I have a problem with ddclient. my eth0 is set to x.x.x.196 and my dyndns resolvs to x.x.x.192 (it needs to be updated) When I run ddclient manually it tells me "SUCCESS: skipped: IP address already set to x.x.x.196". How can I make sure ddclient actually tries to resolve the DNS ? |
| 08:09.57 | sid | ap0cq: Run it as root. |
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| 08:10.06 | ap0cq | oh my bad |
| 08:10.33 | faust__ | itchi: I was drunk when I set up the cron job that was supposed to keep the security patches coming in, so yes. |
| 08:10.43 | faust__ | Bushmills is to blame! |
| 08:10.50 | faust__ | If I was american, I'd sue someone. |
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| 08:11.17 | itchi | heh |
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| 08:11.53 | ap0cq | thanks |
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| 08:12.17 | faust__ | anyway. Hearing good things about Etch. Viable for a laptop without a hundred kernel recompiles to get ipw2200 and cpufreq working? |
| 08:13.16 | itchi | faust__: For that, you should not need to recompile it |
| 08:13.53 | faust__ | not even the fedora default kernel lets this baby run cpufreq. |
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| 08:14.15 | Teejay_wp | what is the command using the terminal to move one file from one directory into another directory? |
| 08:14.28 | itchi | faust__: FC is crap, if you want my point of view |
| 08:14.29 | faust__ | which is strange, since they seem to have included every kernel patch known to man in the default kernel. |
| 08:15.22 | faust__ | itchi, it's like a japanese consumer car. Lacks a bit in power and acceleration, but it's comfy enough and gets you where you're going. |
| 08:15.52 | peterS | Teejay_wp: mv |
| 08:15.55 | faust__ | in addition to being easier than ubuntu without being ubuntu. |
| 08:16.04 | itchi | faust__: Yeah, and pay many for the pieces, whe somethings is broken |
| 08:16.24 | itchi | faust__: It's looks many cheaper, but it's not |
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| 08:16.29 | Teejay_wp | ty |
| 08:16.35 | Inkvisitor | ok I answer my own question. ddclient in stable is broken. |
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| 08:18.41 | bokey | Inkvisitor: if it was your answer to question, it wouldn't an answer; it would an assumption. no ? ;) |
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| 08:19.36 | ThomasPorter | Hey, I have my server configured to use the net on a network.. I want to do pppoeconfig, do I need to remove the resolv.conf stuff? |
| 08:19.36 | ThomasPorter | <ThomasPorter> and the /etc/network/interfaces stuff? |
| 08:19.38 | itchi | Inkvisitor: I wonder that it's broken |
| 08:20.08 | itchi | ThomasPorter: Maybe try an mailing list too ;-) |
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| 08:20.33 | ThomasPorter | itchi: Yeah, while i've got it handy in my cache ;) |
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| 08:20.46 | ThomasPorter | Abit 'paste happy' |
| 08:21.08 | Inkvisitor | it's a debian bug. |
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| 08:21.10 | Inkvisitor | Bug#217041: marked as done (ddclient: does not update when host settings changed) |
| 08:21.25 | itchi | ThomasPorter: I just say it to you, like you asked that question the whole night |
| 08:21.41 | madman215 | is there a gnome alarm clock that works like kalarm, so it will stay in the system tray, so i KNOW it will wake me up for work? |
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| 08:22.57 | faust__ | madman215: something wrong with the XMMS alarm clock? |
| 08:23.07 | Inkvisitor | the funny thing is that I always end up getting x.x.x.192 first even though it was last set to 196 and even though I'm getting 196 from DHCP |
| 08:23.27 | madman215 | faust__, xmms has an alarm clock?!? |
| 08:24.03 | madman215 | faust__, how do i get to it? is it a plugin? |
| 08:24.20 | Inkvisitor | so ddclient is updating incorrectly first time or something.. because it wouldn't really need to change it |
| 08:24.27 | faust__ | madman215: http://home.freeuk.net/igbarn/alarm-applet.html for the gnome stuff. |
| 08:24.29 | rumpl | madman215, use crontab :) |
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| 08:24.36 | faust__ | And xmms alarm clock is a plugin, yes. |
| 08:24.47 | ThomasPorter | itchi: Yeah, oh I have been. |
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| 08:27.31 | itchi | Inkvisitor: Look to this http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg35868.html |
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| 08:28.47 | faust__ | Ah, well. Time to go do something useless with my day. |
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| 08:30.12 | ThomasPorter | faust_: Try windows. |
| 08:30.24 | ThomasPorter | (sorry my last message was pointless spam) |
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| 08:32.19 | faulteh | lots of people don't like me |
| 08:33.01 | SpeedyG | why not? :) |
| 08:33.05 | faulteh | this kernel build process doesn't like me |
| 08:33.16 | faulteh | nobody likes me every1 hates me think i'll go eat worms |
| 08:33.36 | SpeedyG | have a nice one ;) |
| 08:33.47 | cast_ | are you sure you want to do that? i mean then the worms won't like you, too |
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| 08:35.24 | faulteh | yeah, don't want them to sick Earthworm Jim on to me |
| 08:36.36 | cast_ | or for them to greatly increase the void ratio underneath your house such that the soil undergoes excessive settlement |
| 08:37.06 | itchi | bokey: And is the install now done? |
| 08:37.26 | faulteh | i was wondering where those cracks came from.. i better send in my best diplomat |
| 08:38.29 | bokey | itchi: showing error at pppconfig |
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| 08:39.04 | shishi | hello all |
| 08:39.11 | shishi | someone use adesklets ? |
| 08:39.23 | itchi | bokey: Wich one exactly? |
| 08:40.34 | Guerin | !anyone use adesklets? |
| 08:40.34 | dpkg | No, no one uses adesklets, not even the people who use it. |
| 08:42.13 | bokey | itchi:gives me the dpkg: error processing pppconfig (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 08:42.41 | itchi | bokey: hhhm, try dpkg --configure pppconfig |
| 08:42.50 | bokey | itchi: did that. |
| 08:43.06 | itchi | bokey: Can you give the rest of the error? |
| 08:43.16 | bokey | !paste |
| 08:43.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 08:44.02 | itchi | bokey: Maybe, use you pppconfig at all? |
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| 08:45.24 | bokey | itchi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 08:45.43 | itchi | bokey: hehe |
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| 08:46.00 | itchi | bokey: Look ^^ |
| 08:46.04 | Sherrif | hi |
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| 08:46.13 | bokey | itchi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4754 |
| 08:46.16 | bokey | itchi: =) |
| 08:46.25 | Krux0 | how can i re-download every package that was installed on my system, trying to take my cache dir to a remote, non-networked pc |
| 08:47.01 | Krux0 | This is the best i can come up with at the time: dpkg --get-selections | grep install|awk -F" " '{ print $1 }' | apt-get -y -d --reinstall |
| 08:47.13 | itchi | bokey: The important part is update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/dns-clean: file does not exist |
| 08:48.02 | bokey | itchi: all good. =) |
| 08:48.05 | bokey | itchi: thanks. =) |
| 08:48.12 | bokey | itchi: rebooting now! |
| 08:48.15 | bokey | itchi: =) |
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| 08:48.39 | itchi | bokey: hhmm, weird, i have just install it, and not got it here, same version number |
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| 08:49.20 | itchi | bokey: hold on |
| 08:49.22 | bokey | itchi: just thought, i really didn't need pppconfig! heheh.. got rid of it. |
| 08:49.23 | SnackM | during installation of debian i did not configure the mail server, is there a command or something that i can run to run this configuration? |
| 08:49.42 | itchi | SnackM: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
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| 08:49.54 | itchi | bokey: yeah, remove it |
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| 08:49.59 | SnackM | whats the name of it |
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| 08:50.17 | Guerin | SnackM: exim4-config |
| 08:50.24 | itchi | bokey: Otherwise there was an need to hack that post-installation script so that he not try to remove that file |
| 08:50.33 | SnackM | thanks |
| 08:50.35 | bokey | itchi: right. |
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| 08:51.27 | itchi | bokey: I need to go out, brb in an hour or 2 |
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| 08:52.47 | DavidProck1981 | hay when i ran beryl-manager i got these messages XGL Absent, checking for NVIDIA Nvidia Absent, assuming AIGLX beryl: No composite extension ,what would that mean, oh and the blue bar that you click and drag to move windows around with , all of them went away |
| 08:54.16 | cast_ | it means you get to keep both pieces! |
| 08:54.42 | DavidProck1981 | huh, u talking to me cast ? |
| 08:55.32 | DavidProck1981 | you* |
| 08:55.50 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you don't need beryl |
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| 08:56.13 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you need to learn the basics before you go using experimental stuff |
| 08:56.18 | Guerin | walk, don't run |
| 08:56.55 | DavidProck1981 | i heard one person say that thier ati card did not work correctly and when they install bertl it worked correctly |
| 08:57.01 | peterS | Guerin: good thing you weren't here earlier when he was asking us where in xorg.conf to insert the options the howto told him he needed |
| 08:57.13 | Guerin | rrrr |
| 08:57.19 | diskus | I atleast will wait a year or two before trying this 3d cube thing |
| 08:57.29 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: They were Making Shit Up |
| 08:57.33 | Guerin | or just stupid |
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| 08:58.27 | diskus | DavidProck1981: ati has bad support in Linux and sometimes it's very hard to get it working as intentended |
| 08:58.28 | DavidProck1981 | what is xgl , could that be why my games dont display correctly? |
| 08:58.52 | diskus | if you use xgl then you can forget games which use 3d graphics |
| 08:59.14 | lastnode | DavidProck1981, xgl and glx are different things |
| 08:59.18 | DavidProck1981 | it say XGL Absent |
| 08:59.55 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 08:59.56 | Guerin | somebody make him stop |
| 09:00.29 | diskus | DavidProck1981: try doing this, glxinfo | grep rendering and tell us what it says |
| 09:00.45 | diskus | DavidProck1981: "glxinfo | grep rendering" |
| 09:02.16 | diskus | DavidProck1981: anyway I suggest that you install Ubuntu Desktop and go to #ubuntu-xgl if you want that stuff working |
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| 09:04.32 | geo-rge | diskus: if you'd like to help him with that (and, good! if so), join him on that #ubuntu*... doing so avoids people getting annoyed and whatever would come of that |
| 09:05.28 | diskus | well I think it's easier to setup xgl in ubuntu |
| 09:05.36 | Guerin | no |
| 09:05.46 | Guerin | he started out on ubuntu and tried to claim that he wass on debian |
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| 09:05.58 | Guerin | now he demonstrably *is* using debian |
| 09:06.20 | SnackM | would someone recomend me something to do to setup my debian mail shit to work with 1and1's mail server |
| 09:06.21 | diskus | heh :P |
| 09:06.21 | Guerin | if you help him install ubuntu, he'll be back here in a flash claiming he wasn't asked for a root password |
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| 09:06.40 | Guerin | SnackM: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:06.44 | DavidProck1981 | holy hell brb |
| 09:06.45 | Guerin | SnackM: choose 'smarthost' |
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| 09:06.57 | Guerin | quick, ban him while he's out |
| 09:07.10 | Guerin | at least for long enough to get a clue about what he's doing |
| 09:07.26 | SnackM | there are 2 smarthost's |
| 09:07.32 | Guerin | SnackM: pick one |
| 09:07.34 | diskus | Guerin: just ignore him :P |
| 09:07.39 | SnackM | ahh i see nvm |
| 09:08.01 | Guerin | diskus: that doesn't solve the problem, which is that he fucks things up, but doesn't believe it's his fault |
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| 09:08.10 | geo-rge | so join him there if you can help him do that, and if he has ubuntu installed... if not and you -really- think you can more easily get him to where he wants, have him install it (but explain that once he does that, #debian won't be answering his questions |
| 09:08.13 | geo-rge | ) |
| 09:08.14 | Guerin | and then expects everyone to help him, endlessly |
| 09:08.16 | diskus | Guerin: well, it makes your life easier |
| 09:09.02 | diskus | well it's not the first time I hear about people like that |
| 09:09.04 | Guerin | diskus: i'm more interested in finding a permanent solution, which would be for him to learn the basics and move slowly to the more complex stuff. |
| 09:09.12 | geo-rge | Guerin would probably be happy if he went to ubuntu... but he sees the possibility that he'll be coming here asking questions that at that point will be inappropriate |
| 09:09.13 | Guerin | this one really is an edge case |
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| 09:09.43 | SnackM | the machine handling the outgoing mail would be the smtp server of 1and1 right? |
| 09:09.49 | Guerin | SnackM: yes. |
| 09:09.55 | diskus | he seems to be born in 1981 so he's like 25-26 already |
| 09:09.55 | geo-rge | but there is one problem... "the basics" are all off-topic here |
| 09:10.04 | diskus | should have brains already |
| 09:10.20 | Guerin | geo-rge: the basics aren't for an irc channel, they're for reading from a book or weeb page. |
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| 09:10.29 | Guerin | diskus: you'd think so, eh. |
| 09:10.40 | geo-rge | dweeb page?? |
| 09:10.56 | Guerin | geo-rge: http://tldp.org |
| 09:11.24 | geo-rge | how close is he to deciding to do that? |
| 09:11.26 | diskus | it's so much easier to access documentation / reading material for Linux today than it was ~9 years ago |
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| 09:11.59 | geo-rge | diskus: I wouldn't say that (since I was around then)... it was pretty easy then too |
| 09:12.20 | diskus | no it wasn't, I was just starting then, there were less material then than now |
| 09:12.34 | geo-rge | there, we agree.... |
| 09:12.36 | diskus | and ofcourse Linux and Distributions were different... |
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| 09:12.51 | geo-rge | but more material doesn't necessarily make things easier :) |
| 09:13.10 | diskus | well if you can read and can concentrate on it, then it makes :P |
| 09:13.13 | Guerin | what? you mean more developers doesn't mean the project will get done faster? |
| 09:13.18 | diskus | but there are people who don't want to read |
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| 09:13.30 | geo-rge | I never said anything about developers :P |
| 09:13.43 | Guerin | geo-rge: EMISSINGANALOGY |
| 09:13.57 | geo-rge | Guerin: agreed :) |
| 09:14.02 | Guerin | SIGFOOL |
| 09:14.12 | Guerin | argh, my brain is mush |
| 09:14.17 | SlayerXP | "Adding more programmer to a late project makes it later" |
| 09:14.21 | SlayerXP | +s |
| 09:14.23 | Guerin | middle east politics ... it hurts |
| 09:15.00 | geo-rge | the exact right fit will make things easier |
| 09:16.14 | peterS | man, remind me never to get an idea like "the mkisofs manpage could use a bit of cleanup" ever again. "a bit" turns out to be "a great deal" once one looks at the actual nroff. this is taking forever. |
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| 09:16.44 | diskus | rewrite :P |
| 09:16.49 | geo-rge | peterS: the gcc man page could use a bit of cleanup :) |
| 09:16.56 | iuso | does anyone know where iceweasel stores the plugins that are installed via the browser? |
| 09:16.57 | peterS | diskus: have you read the manpage? do you think a rewrite would not take some time? |
| 09:17.11 | iuso | i can't seem to get rid of flash... i've removed flashplugin-nonfree |
| 09:17.18 | peterS | diskus: believe it or not, I'm still leaving more original text in there than I'm changing. so a rewrite would take longer |
| 09:17.41 | geo-rge | iuso: you still running old copies of the browser? |
| 09:18.47 | peterS | yay |
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| 09:18.56 | Guerin | you won't be saying that after the first hour |
| 09:19.00 | geo-rge | now THAT is bazaar... |
| 09:19.17 | peterS | tear down the cathedral! tear down the cathedral! |
| 09:19.35 | Guerin | Waiting for the worms to come ... |
| 09:19.48 | geo-rge | all in all it's just paul who looks small against the wall |
| 09:20.14 | geo-rge | but the worms don't come you get a tan from standing in the english rain |
| 09:20.14 | peterS | there is no pain, you are receding |
| 09:20.24 | iuso | geo-rge: nope |
| 09:20.48 | Guerin | s/not/no/ |
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| 09:21.20 | iuso | geo-rge: i've the latest bells and whistles from unstable |
| 09:21.23 | peterS | hey you, don't tell me there's no hope at all! |
| 09:21.41 | geo-rge | iuso: sure about that? :) no windows brought up from a browser window? no download mgr? |
| 09:22.18 | iuso | geo-rge: well, i do have the download manager and whatnot in iceweasel... i installed flashplugin originally via iceweasel |
| 09:22.24 | iuso | geo-rge: and that seems to be a prob? |
| 09:22.36 | geo-rge | oh, yeah, we're discussing PF's -disco- record... |
| 09:22.42 | Guerin | disco? |
| 09:22.52 | geo-rge | iuso: the download mgr is on your screen now? |
| 09:22.56 | iuso | The Wall, mmmmh |
| 09:22.59 | iuso | geo-rge: no. |
| 09:23.32 | iuso | geo-rge: i've restarted the browser already |
| 09:23.32 | geo-rge | what else did you restart? |
| 09:23.32 | iuso | actually, i'm restarting it again |
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| 09:24.01 | geo-rge | Guerin: yep :) you don't hear the disco influences? |
| 09:24.04 | fx | I'm looking for a syslog log analyser |
| 09:24.10 | iuso | iceweasel is the browser i've restarted. still flash runs |
| 09:24.36 | peterS | geo-rge: I don't |
| 09:24.42 | Guerin | geo-rge: disco influences aren't the same as disco. |
| 09:24.52 | iuso | other apps that i have and have had open are konsole and synaptic. nothing else |
| 09:24.56 | Guerin | i mean |
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| 09:25.07 | geo-rge | maan, even the guitar parts of some tunes are directly influenced |
| 09:25.15 | iuso | geo-rge: do you happen to know what the plugin's filename is? i'll hunt it down manually |
| 09:25.18 | Guerin | the lack of three-minute tracks, syncopated rhythm sections, wah-pedal and people going 'ow!' |
| 09:25.28 | geo-rge | and it's not r&b in geteral either :) |
| 09:25.50 | geo-rge | general even |
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| 09:27.39 | geo-rge | iuso: no, sure don't... but you might want to restart your session |
| 09:28.06 | geo-rge | I suspect something's still there from your last session |
| 09:28.19 | geo-rge | maybe it's a quick-launch thing |
| 09:28.48 | iuso | geo-rge: i'll try that |
| 09:28.50 | iuso | --> |
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| 09:37.59 | geo-rge | iuso: well? |
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| 09:39.43 | RvGaTe | good morning debian |
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| 09:44.08 | itchi | RvGaTe: Hello ;-) |
| 09:44.21 | RvGaTe | itchi, how you doin? |
| 09:44.43 | pmv | hello |
| 09:45.02 | itchi | RvGaTe: Good good, and you? |
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| 09:45.28 | RvGaTe | itchi, very good aswell... had a great day yesterday on the way back to home |
| 09:45.44 | itchi | RvGaTe: Broke an window? |
| 09:46.03 | mrynit | how do i find out what version of GCC i have? |
| 09:46.10 | RvGaTe | itchi, http://photo.partyflock.nl/images/33993/main/167042.jpg the left one ;) |
| 09:46.11 | SnackM | grrr forgot my stupid fucking mail password |
| 09:46.28 | RvGaTe | itchi, i met her yesterday |
| 09:46.41 | itchi | RvGaTe: The left one, i hope ;-) |
| 09:46.50 | RvGaTe | itchi, thats what i said |
| 09:47.10 | itchi | RvGaTe: hehe, can i install it too? |
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| 09:47.22 | RvGaTe | itchi, apt-get install life |
| 09:47.22 | itchi | RvGaTe: Or should i first try to finger it? |
| 09:47.40 | itchi | RvGaTe: sshhhuuutt, my wife gona kill me :-p |
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| 09:47.59 | RvGaTe | itchi, install life first, then touch the config files... if that doesn't turn it on, try to finger it :P |
| 09:48.11 | itchi | hehe |
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| 09:48.43 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 09:49.40 | ThomasPorter | :o... SnackM swore.. i'm telling... |
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| 09:52.17 | itchi | bokey: Sleep not to long he |
| 09:52.39 | bokey | itchi: don't finger RvGaTe's wife. =) |
| 09:52.40 | bokey | hehe |
| 09:52.45 | bokey | =) |
| 09:52.47 | RvGaTe | bokey, lol |
| 09:52.53 | bokey | RvGaTe: =) |
| 09:53.06 | itchi | bokey: Maybe you want to finger me? |
| 09:53.15 | Guerin | get a room |
| 09:53.19 | itchi | bokey: I talk about the app hehe |
| 09:53.21 | bokey | itchi: we'll get into that discussion later. =) |
| 09:53.33 | RvGaTe | omg, lets get back on topic guys, haha |
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| 09:54.07 | itchi | !finger |
| 09:54.07 | dpkg | finger is probably a insecure service that lets people find valid accounts to crack. SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, remove it immediatly |
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| 10:01.29 | niru | Adrian:hi how are you |
| 10:01.48 | RvGaTe | !seen mc_ |
| 10:01.49 | dpkg | mc_ <n=mc@91.84.12.83> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10d 19h 36m 8s ago, saying: 'RvGaTe, yes fine. how will you enable me. do you want an email addr?'. |
| 10:02.00 | RvGaTe | pfff, this guy never gets his ass online |
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| 10:02.59 | itchi | RvGaTe: Probably he got an busy life now |
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| 10:06.25 | ThomasPorter | I just installed a modem onto my server.. it use to be on a network with the ip 192.168.1.200, is there some way to still use this ip as now apache's vhosts are wrong... (and theres too many to simply change..) and if thats not possable.. is there a way to make vi 'replace all' like in notepad on windos. |
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| 10:09.39 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: apache vhosts don't need an ip specified |
| 10:09.55 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: and yes, of course it's possible to 'replace all' |
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| 10:12.40 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: Currently i'm using: <VirtualHost 192.168.1.200:80> should I change it to: <VirtualHost *:80> |
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| 10:13.09 | spilio | hoola |
| 10:13.19 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: Also.. hows do I do this magic replace all ;) |
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| 10:19.03 | electricguitars | hi there, i have a problem with imagemagick on debian sarge testing. it doesn?t scale transparent gifs properly.. the same works fine on other distrubutions i?ve tested gif scaling on. any ideas how to work around that? |
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| 10:20.40 | geo-rge | what's a debian sarge testing? |
| 10:21.00 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 10:21.22 | electricguitars | hey.. that was helpful... i?m sorry if my wording was incorrect.. |
| 10:21.27 | geo-rge | (it's actually been awhile since sarge was testing... |
| 10:21.45 | electricguitars | well.. sarge switched to testing... is what i mean.. i?m sorry |
| 10:22.30 | geo-rge | ok, if that's the case you might upgrade your sarge... you'll find it's stable (not testing) |
| 10:22.49 | RvGaTe | electricguitars, could you pastebin your sources ? |
| 10:22.58 | geo-rge | that as much as anything could help here, no guarantee |
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| 10:23.09 | acusticguitars | I should learn to spell.. |
| 10:23.16 | RvGaTe | geo-rge, i think he is already using sarge |
| 10:23.46 | geo-rge | I think so to... but if he thinks it's testing, it could be that he hasn't upgraded to stable sarge |
| 10:23.48 | electricguitars | yes.. i?m using sarge. and i installed most packages with -t testing |
| 10:24.09 | electricguitars | and i?m not thinking it?s testing... i just wanted to point out that i installed most packages with -t testing |
| 10:24.21 | geo-rge | when did you install sarge initially? |
| 10:24.23 | electricguitars | couple of days ago |
| 10:24.30 | RvGaTe | must be sarge |
| 10:24.40 | RvGaTe | why did you install with -t testing ? |
| 10:24.41 | geo-rge | ok, that's -not- a good thing... you have a mixed sarge/etch |
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| 10:24.51 | geo-rge | !mix |
| 10:24.51 | dpkg | i guess mix is Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 10:25.01 | geo-rge | !listkeys mix |
| 10:25.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mix' by key (15 of 56): #debian mixing distros ;; /dev/mixer ;; _default amixer ;; _default asmixer ;; _default mix ;; _default mixed system ;; _default mixing distributions ;; _default mixing stable and unstable ;; amixer ;; dmix ;; gmix ;; mixer ;; mixing distros ;; mixing stable and unstable ;; stormix. |
| 10:25.18 | electricguitars | i used -t testing for stuff like ruby and imagemagick |
| 10:25.24 | geo-rge | !mixing distros |
| 10:25.24 | dpkg | methinks mixing distros is a bad idea. Running Ubuntu packages on Debian systems (or vice-versa) causes problems with package naming and versioning. Don't expect anybody to help you with your system if you do this. |
| 10:25.42 | geo-rge | no, that's not the right one |
| 10:26.17 | geo-rge | !mixing stable and unstable |
| 10:26.17 | dpkg | hmm... mixing stable and unstable is discussed at http://lists.debian.org:80/debian-devel/2003/01/msg01679.html - talks about pinning etc |
| 10:26.39 | electricguitars | ah. i?ll check that out. thanks |
| 10:27.13 | geo-rge | electricguitars: but mixing the way you're doing IS NOT a good idea. it quite probably -explains- why you're having problems |
| 10:27.29 | kolla | hm.. the other day someone made dpkg (the bot here) tell me where to find kernel-2.6.18 for sarge.. what is the command for asking for such? |
| 10:27.54 | geo-rge | !lustkeys 2.6.18 |
| 10:28.03 | geo-rge | !listkeys 2.6.18 |
| 10:28.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2.6.18' by key (2): sarge 2.6.18 ;; stable 2.6.18. |
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| 10:28.21 | kolla | ok |
| 10:28.29 | geo-rge | kolla: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 10:28.45 | kolla | yes :) |
| 10:29.00 | iuso | is there a good doc for installing xen on debian etch? |
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| 10:29.26 | petemc | iuso: theres some guides on debian-administration, and theres a debian xen wiki |
| 10:29.28 | electricguitars | geo-rge: i doubt it though.. because everything works just except scaling of gifs... no problems with pngs for example.. so i think it?s probably more about the lib that debian uses to render gifs.. but i?ll give a fresh sarge install a shot. thanks |
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| 10:29.57 | petemc | iuso: if you use the 2.6.17 debian xen kernel, it will panic when yoi start the 3rd domU, do use somethign else |
| 10:30.30 | edy` | how can i configure my services? ; where can i find the configuration files for the firewall? |
| 10:30.35 | dondelelcaro | electricguitars: you mean imagemagick on sarge? or imagemagick on etch or sid? |
| 10:30.44 | iuso | petemc: domU? |
| 10:30.53 | iuso | petemc: what do you suggest? |
| 10:30.58 | geo-rge | electricguitars: as long as you're doing a fresh install, try the etch installer in the topic |
| 10:31.00 | petemc | iuso: 2.6.18 |
| 10:31.19 | iuso | ok, so unstable it is |
| 10:31.20 | electricguitars | dondelelcaro: imagemagick ist from etch. rest is sarge |
| 10:32.05 | dondelelcaro | electricguitars: if it's happening on etch or sid, file a bug against imagemagick if there isn't one already, preferably with an attached gif that shows the problem. [Resizing in imagemagick is always done with its own libraries, libmagick; but it sometimes uses other libraries to read and write the image files.] |
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| 10:32.25 | dondelelcaro | electricguitars: I'd test it in a etch chroot if I were you just to make sure you don't have an old version of the library being used. |
| 10:32.37 | dondelelcaro | (or on a new etch install, or an upgrade to etch) |
| 10:32.50 | edy` | anyone? |
| 10:32.52 | dondelelcaro | just make sure you file a bug if it ends up being buggy in etch. |
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| 10:33.04 | dondelelcaro | edy`: depends how you want to configure the firewall. |
| 10:33.36 | dondelelcaro | edy`: firewall configuration can be done in a whole bunch of different ways, from custom scripts to things like shorewall. |
| 10:33.38 | electricguitars | dondelelcaro: o.k. i will do that. and i think you are right, that imagemagick uses it?s own lib for gif rendering.. just did an ldd.. thank you |
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| 10:33.47 | edy` | i know how to configure with iptables |
| 10:34.03 | dondelelcaro | electricguitars: yeah; generally want happens is it reads in the file into its own internal format, then does whatever it wants, then writes them out. |
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| 10:34.55 | edy` | but I was thinking it`s not good to mess with the scripts, especially that i want to update frequently |
| 10:35.36 | dondelelcaro | edy`: well, there are a whole bunch of methods. I personally write my own scripts, but you can look at the available packages and see which one works for you. |
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| 10:36.41 | edy` | ok, now how can i configure what services to run at startup? |
| 10:37.01 | geo-rge | look at these dirs and files... |
| 10:37.07 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.16 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.19 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.34 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.42 | edy` | i get it, i`ll make links to that level |
| 10:38.11 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.10 | geo-rge | also, man update-rc.d |
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| 10:44.55 | ThomasPorter | How can I make vi 'replace all' |
| 10:45.10 | LookTJ | would debian install on a vm that has vmware on wireless computer and have internet? |
| 10:45.43 | LookTJ | btw the computer is on ubuntu |
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| 10:46.13 | enzo_45 | hi |
| 10:46.26 | ThomasPorter | hi |
| 10:46.31 | Guerin | jae: suck it and see |
| 10:46.34 | Guerin | hm |
| 10:46.38 | Guerin | LookTJ: suck it and see |
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| 10:46.52 | Guerin | LookTJ: vmware isn't supportable, though |
| 10:47.07 | enzo_45 | i don't understand something... i've upgraded in mysql5.0.30, but my debian is in testing !! this package is only in unstable normally... |
| 10:47.09 | SnackM | grr, i hate this. cant get exim4 to work with 1and1's mail servers |
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| 10:47.26 | Guerin | enzo_45: testing periodically gets packages from unstable |
| 10:47.37 | enzo_45 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0.html <= Guerin |
| 10:47.55 | geo-rge | SnackM: talk to landl |
| 10:47.56 | enzo_45 | mysql 5.0.30 has not yet been migrated to testing... |
| 10:48.01 | Guerin | enzo_45: apt-cache policy mysql will tell you where it comes from |
| 10:48.01 | diilbert | I was wondering if there is away to access the extended ascii table when typing similar to Windows, which you just Hold ALT than type the ascii code for it to display on the screen... Any ideas ? |
| 10:48.04 | E-bola | After upgrading my debian kernel to the stock 2.6.18-3-686, exim4 keeps spwaning processes, and the mailque wont disapear |
| 10:48.07 | E-bola | anybody know what mgiht be wrong? |
| 10:48.12 | geo-rge | enzo_45: bts |
| 10:48.12 | SnackM | well i see problems with people setting it up for gmail to |
| 10:48.19 | geo-rge | go -look- |
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| 10:49.08 | enzo_45 | tftp://ftp.fr.debian.org testing/main Packages <= i get this, but this package shouldn't be in testing |
| 10:49.26 | SnackM | anyone else here having problems installing packages? |
| 10:49.37 | SnackM | for the past couple of hours i keep getting hung up on mirrors.kernel.org |
| 10:49.52 | enzo_45 | well nevermind, you know how i can downgrade to mysql5.0.27 ? (of course, i've launched yesterday apt-get clean ... so i don't have the .deb for mysql 5.0.27) |
| 10:50.13 | enzo_45 | Guerin: |
| 10:50.19 | geo-rge | enzo_45: debian doesn't do downgrades... |
| 10:50.25 | liable | SnackM: try another mirror.. |
| 10:50.26 | geo-rge | not guaranteed ones |
| 10:50.27 | enzo_45 | by the way, what do you mean by bts geo-rge ? |
| 10:50.36 | geo-rge | !bts |
| 10:50.36 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:50.38 | SnackM | how do i do it? im using apt-get |
| 10:50.46 | geo-rge | other questions? |
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| 10:51.06 | DimmuR | for new release there should be Total number of release-critical bugs: = 0 or Number concerning the next release =0? |
| 10:51.23 | SnackM | nvm it finally went threw after like 10 minutes |
| 10:51.24 | enzo_45 | yes geo-rge , but i can try to downgrade ? in fact mysql 5.0.30 as a critical bug i can't cope with |
| 10:51.26 | RvGaTe | What is the best way to do "remote desktop" in linux.. my first thought was VPN... but does it support dual screens? |
| 10:51.41 | RvGaTe | lol, VNC |
| 10:52.25 | liable | SnackM: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:52.35 | geo-rge | enzo_45: pleasae NOTE... you should back up any existing databases you have before trying any of this |
| 10:52.49 | enzo_45 | i know geo-rge |
| 10:52.53 | geo-rge | if you have a database you like and you fail to do this... |
| 10:52.57 | Guerin | enzo_45: there is no never mind, there is either the fact that it's in etch, or not. If it *is* then that's tough., If it's actually in sid and you've gotten it by mixing sources, you got what you deserved. |
| 10:53.04 | geo-rge | could be, you'll lose it |
| 10:53.16 | Guerin | enzo_45: You can *try* to downgrade by simply reinstalling the old packages from /var/cache/apt/archives/ or from snapshot.debian.net |
| 10:53.21 | enzo_45 | Guerin: i have only testing as a source |
| 10:53.42 | enzo_45 | ok, i go on snapshot |
| 10:53.50 | Guerin | enzo_45: then if it has a critical bug, it wouldn't have propagated to testing |
| 10:54.03 | diilbert | I guess no one knows ;) |
| 10:54.10 | Guerin | enzo_45: so at the least I suggest you file one |
| 10:54.14 | enzo_45 | the bug is in mysql5.0.30, not 5.0.27 |
| 10:54.44 | enzo_45 | i've already filed 3 verified bugs for mysql, their implementation of views is completely crapy... |
| 10:55.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:55.13 | Guerin | generic mysql-is-crap bug? |
| 10:55.21 | Guerin | not specific to the package? |
| 10:55.52 | enzo_45 | the bug i'm talking about is mysql software, not debian package |
| 10:55.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:56.04 | Guerin | time to migrate to pgsql |
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| 10:56.30 | geo-rge | enzo_45: you know for sure that's the case? |
| 10:56.46 | enzo_45 | yes |
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| 10:57.06 | geo-rge | then you've placed this problem squarely off topic :) |
| 10:57.07 | montoya | dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-100dpi |
| 10:57.23 | montoya | I have for this 2 warnings |
| 10:57.35 | geo-rge | !pastebin montoya |
| 10:57.57 | Guerin | well, not really |
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| 10:58.13 | Guerin | if he needs to know how to revert to an earlier version, that's a debian issue |
| 10:58.24 | geo-rge | Guerin: ok, sure |
| 10:58.31 | montoya | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 10:58.41 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 10:58.41 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 10:59.06 | geo-rge | don't worry |
| 10:59.11 | geo-rge | beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 10:59.12 | geo-rge | happy |
| 10:59.18 | montoya | ? |
| 10:59.39 | geo-rge | missing information before "?" |
| 10:59.50 | geo-rge | (that's not a warning :) |
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| 11:00.20 | montoya | but I have the fonts not good :( |
| 11:00.41 | geo-rge | did you install them from a debian package? |
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| 11:01.07 | SnackM | anyone using mirrors.kernel.org right this second, stop. cause i need to download this :) |
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| 11:01.28 | SnackM | says to many users |
| 11:01.30 | |montoya| | I'm in X now |
| 11:01.49 | Ronin | SnackM: heh |
| 11:01.53 | itchi | |montoya|: Problems with anti-aliasing there? |
| 11:02.00 | |montoya| | http://www.dipmat.it/tmp/1.png |
| 11:02.04 | geo-rge | I heard it I heard it I heard it on the x |
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| 11:02.40 | itchi | |montoya|: Yeah, i remember, have you been set it to full there in that kcontrol? |
| 11:02.40 | indraveni | hi, |
| 11:02.47 | |montoya| | yes!!! |
| 11:02.57 | indraveni | is there any irc channel where I can get help about debian apahce2 |
| 11:03.07 | itchi | |montoya|: logged out back in, sinds? |
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| 11:03.18 | |montoya| | I have reinstall debian this morning :( |
| 11:03.23 | Guerin | indraveni: this one, but most of what you need to know is on httpd.apache.org |
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| 11:03.38 | itchi | indraveni: /msg chanserv list *apache* |
| 11:04.27 | itchi | |montoya|: Not try to escape the trouble, but try to solve it ;-) |
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| 11:04.57 | indraveni | Guerin, I am in debian etch and here I am not able to configure ssl certificate for my apache2 |
| 11:04.59 | turi | can anyone help me with an apache issue im having? |
| 11:05.11 | turi | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 11:05.13 | |montoya| | itchi: http://rafb.net/paste/results/93AQUH19.html |
| 11:05.23 | indraveni | usually there will be apache2-ssl-certificate command, but in etch its not available |
| 11:05.25 | turi | when i try to start apache |
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| 11:05.57 | Guerin | indraveni: nothing to do with debian |
| 11:06.01 | indraveni | turi, do you have php5 installed/ |
| 11:06.07 | itchi | |montoya|: Can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to an paster? |
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| 11:06.19 | Guerin | indraveni: see http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-apache-ssl/ |
| 11:06.30 | Guerin | indraveni: i think that's for apache1, but the principles mostly hold |
| 11:06.36 | indraveni | Guerin, debian etch started using new procedure of using command called make-ssl-cert for this |
| 11:06.53 | Guerin | indraveni: so use that? |
| 11:07.13 | indraveni | Guerin, but I am not knowing how to use it |
| 11:07.34 | itchi | indraveni: Read the docs of it?? |
| 11:07.34 | indraveni | I created and apache2.pem file using it and placed in .etc/apache/ssl/ |
| 11:07.38 | Guerin | indraveni: that's where your ability to read comes in. |
| 11:07.50 | indraveni | but when I restart apache the following is the erro |
| 11:07.56 | Guerin | indraveni: don't paste |
| 11:08.20 | |montoya| | itchi: I'm died? |
| 11:08.31 | itchi | |montoya|: Not yet |
| 11:08.51 | wols_ | but sooner or later you will |
| 11:08.53 | indraveni | turi, Do you have php4 or php5 installed on your system |
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| 11:09.15 | indraveni | Guerin, itchi here is the error http://pastebin.ca/271687 |
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| 11:09.47 | wols_ | indraveni: something already runs on port 443. check what it is |
| 11:09.48 | itchi | indraveni: Is it not clear? |
| 11:10.00 | SnackM | hehe, i installed netselect-apt |
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| 11:10.06 | SnackM | hopefully this will help me get a good mirror |
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| 11:10.28 | indraveni | wols_, but nothing is runing on 443, so only i am tring to run ssl on it |
| 11:10.34 | itchi | |montoya|: Maybe you killed the paster?? |
| 11:10.35 | indraveni | wols_, still the error persists |
| 11:10.42 | Guerin | indraveni: you're wrong. |
| 11:10.46 | wols_ | indraveni: then you aren't starting apache2 as root |
| 11:11.00 | |montoya| | killed? |
| 11:11.12 | itchi | |montoya|: Scroll up, please |
| 11:11.13 | wols_ | that "unable to open logs" is also a strong hint to that |
| 11:11.18 | edy` | how can i restrict remote logins only to a few accounts? |
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| 11:11.37 | wols_ | edy`: set shell to /bin/false for the accounts without logins |
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| 11:12.03 | edy` | but then vsftpd won`t work for that account |
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| 11:12.15 | |montoya| | his problem is also with gnome! |
| 11:12.20 | |montoya| | this problem is also with gnome! |
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| 11:12.31 | wols_ | now why would a ftp session need a shell? |
| 11:12.32 | itchi | |montoya|: Where is the paste? |
| 11:12.39 | SnackM | set the shell to /bin/login |
| 11:12.43 | SnackM | :) |
| 11:12.54 | wols_ | or /bin/true |
| 11:13.16 | |montoya| | http://rafb.net/paste/results/93AQUH19.html |
| 11:13.32 | |montoya| | this is my "font" package |
| 11:13.44 | itchi | |montoya|: man, not that haha, but your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 11:13.55 | SnackM | rofl |
| 11:13.57 | |montoya| | :O |
| 11:14.04 | SnackM | that is just sad, i aint even going to say what i just did |
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| 11:14.13 | itchi | |montoya|: I have tell you to scroll up ;-) |
| 11:14.13 | edy` | tried with /bin/true |
| 11:14.18 | edy` | doesn`t work |
| 11:14.25 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 11:14.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 11:14.26 | SnackM | try /bin/login |
| 11:14.27 | |montoya| | http://rafb.net/paste/results/WD5L5d96.html |
| 11:14.31 | itchi | wols_: You was to fast |
| 11:14.59 | itchi | wols_: I was near to push the enter key ;-) |
| 11:15.13 | edy` | :P it fails ftp login |
| 11:15.25 | rhalff | how do sysadmins normally solve the uploaded by web-user and need to modify through ftp problem ? like files uploaded are www-data, ftp user is some_user.. ? |
| 11:15.30 | turi | indraveni i have both |
| 11:15.32 | rhalff | make them a member of www-data ? |
| 11:15.35 | turi | i just installed php5 |
| 11:15.43 | turi | and it screwed something up so my page wasnt viewable |
| 11:15.48 | turi | now i can't load apache at all |
| 11:15.57 | indraveni | turi, in which OS are you |
| 11:16.08 | turi | Debian 3.1 |
| 11:16.13 | rhalff | or writable by all ? |
| 11:16.16 | indraveni | turi, do u have libapache2-mod-php5 installed |
| 11:16.20 | turi | yes |
| 11:16.33 | itchi | |montoya|: Okay, that looks right |
| 11:16.57 | |montoya| | and now? |
| 11:17.04 | indraveni | do u have php5-pear package installed? |
| 11:17.19 | indraveni | turi, do u have php5-pear package installed? |
| 11:17.50 | itchi | |montoya|: Wait a bit, have patience, i'm already slow |
| 11:18.06 | |montoya| | excuse me :( |
| 11:18.13 | E-bola | Have this bug been addressed? |
| 11:18.14 | E-bola | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-exim4-maintainers/2005-November/002932.html |
| 11:18.39 | wols_ | !tell e.- |
| 11:18.40 | turi | indraveni yes i do |
| 11:18.44 | wols_ | !tell E-bola about bts |
| 11:19.57 | geo-rge | who shall we address the bug to? and what is its shipping weight? |
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| 11:20.22 | turi | any idea? |
| 11:20.31 | turi | i have php-pear installed |
| 11:20.34 | turi | im not sure its php5-pear |
| 11:20.35 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 11:20.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:20.46 | indraveni | turi, can you past the output of dkkg -l php* in pastebin |
| 11:20.56 | goki____ | I'm running an embedded debian system, can anyone point me to where I should go to remove modules I don't want loading on boot? I also need to disable the framebuffer, and stop its module being loaded |
| 11:21.04 | indraveni | turi, even I faced this error one's and someone from this list helped me |
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| 11:21.16 | wols_ | goki____: depends a bit. one good place is /etc/modutils/ |
| 11:21.19 | wols_ | goki____: depends a bit. one good place is /etc/modules |
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| 11:21.41 | itchi | |montoya|: I google a bit for your trouble, like i not have that trouble on one of the computers here |
| 11:21.48 | turi | No packages found matching php5-common_5.2.0-7_i386.deb. No packages found matching php5-mcrypt_5.2.0-7_i386.deb. |
| 11:22.00 | turi | indraveni that's what it says |
| 11:22.01 | |montoya| | god x! |
| 11:22.02 | itchi | |montoya|: Looks like there is not yet an know trouble about it |
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| 11:22.31 | |montoya| | :( |
| 11:22.44 | goki____ | wols_: Doesn't seem to be in there |
| 11:23.09 | liable | turi: you dont use apt to search for the whole name.. just php5-common |
| 11:23.54 | turi | http://rafb.net/paste/results/XiDOTH78.html |
| 11:24.09 | turi | php5-common is installed |
| 11:24.17 | turi | im not using apt to search, what are you talkng about ? |
| 11:24.43 | turi | when i run the command dpkg -l php* i get.... 06:21:58 <turi> No packages found matching php5-common_5.2.0-7_i386.deb. No packages found matching php5-mcrypt_5.2.0-7_i386.deb. |
| 11:24.43 | turi | 06:22:09 <turi> indraveni that's what it says |
| 11:25.04 | itchi | |montoya|: Can you paste the output of xdpyinfo |
| 11:25.24 | vorpal | !debian |
| 11:25.24 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:25.47 | vorpal | :( that wasn't funny |
| 11:26.17 | turi | indraveni any thoughts? |
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| 11:28.14 | itchi | |montoya|: Also it will be interesting that you try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 11:28.54 | vook | word/worn |
| 11:29.10 | turi | can anyone help me |
| 11:29.25 | itchi | |montoya|: hhhmm, for paste stuff i use xclip ie: xdpyinfo | xclip |
| 11:29.28 | geo-rge | the old worn and tattered trick... |
| 11:29.47 | |montoya| | one moment |
| 11:30.04 | vook | I wish. I can get about 15 minutes out of it if I throw it in the freezer for a while. |
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| 11:30.41 | Guerin | a freezer should actually reduce the life of a battery |
| 11:30.50 | vorpal | !ubuntu |
| 11:30.50 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 11:31.03 | Guerin | to get more timne out of it (while shortening its overall lifespan) you'd want to heat it up |
| 11:31.48 | |montoya| | the output of "xdpyinfo | xclip" is null |
| 11:31.50 | liable | for storage, a fridge is apperently the go |
| 11:32.08 | turi | can anyone help w/ my apache/php issue? |
| 11:32.08 | Guerin | liable: yes, if you want your battery to remain in good condition |
| 11:32.11 | itchi | liable: With many beer inside :-) |
| 11:32.35 | Guerin | but it's essentially a chemical reaction, and they tend to work better at warmer temperatures |
| 11:32.39 | petemc | liable: i heard a cool place rather than a cold place |
| 11:32.42 | liable | true |
| 11:32.48 | geo-rge | when in doubt... try alcohol! |
| 11:32.52 | petemc | and at a 40% charge |
| 11:32.59 | vook | Guerin, well the thing gives me nothing at room temp. As in, if I remove power, it's lights out. If I put it in the freezer, and for a few hours, presumably the molecules slow. Then, after returning it to the laptop, it charges back up. |
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| 11:33.03 | Guerin | petemc: we must have read the same doc |
| 11:33.04 | ThomasPorter | How can I 'replace all' in vi? |
| 11:33.17 | Guerin | vook: interesting |
| 11:33.19 | liable | petemc: yah, same, i think a fridge is ok, and yep, 40%, but i am certainly no expert |
| 11:33.22 | vook | gives me about 15 minutes at least. |
| 11:33.35 | vook | It's three years old, so... |
| 11:33.44 | liable | thinkwiki has a good link about it |
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| 11:34.03 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: #vi |
| 11:34.23 | tralala | ThomasPorter, :he subst |
| 11:34.38 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: or use sed -i 's/whatyouwanttoreplace/whatyouwanttoreplaceitwith/g' file |
| 11:35.11 | tralala | actually :he :s |
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| 11:35.18 | vook | interesting. I'll have to give the fridge a try. My dad used to have a stockpile of mercury batteries that he kept in the fridge. |
| 11:35.48 | Guerin | possibly the warming-up process gives it a bit of a kick? |
| 11:36.01 | Guerin | hm, also, doesn't electricity conduct better at low temperatures? |
| 11:36.14 | Guerin | that being the point of superconductor coils being chilled? |
| 11:36.41 | tralala | yes, only it's not the electricity that conducts |
| 11:37.20 | Guerin | yes, but you know what i mean |
| 11:37.35 | Guerin | the little men with the electron packets run faster over cold wires |
| 11:37.46 | tralala | hehe |
| 11:37.59 | liable | isnt it resistence? |
| 11:38.05 | tralala | they do this in order to keep their feet from freezing |
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| 11:38.52 | Guerin | whoever said the laws of physics are complicated? |
| 11:39.06 | tralala | but this gives me an idea for trouble causing rechargable batteries of mine |
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| 11:40.34 | wols_ | Guerin: accumulators don't work as good at low temps |
| 11:41.31 | tralala | because the chemical reactions needed for the power output are delayed by the cold |
| 11:41.42 | vook | who knows. General Motors used to give their employee's some crazy stuff to bring home. I remember a friend who's father brought home a jar of about 1000 grams of pure mercury. He brought it to school, where it was confiscated by our science teacher. |
| 11:42.26 | goki____ | this is driving me nuts |
| 11:42.40 | goki____ | something somewhere is loading a module "open_eth" but I can't find it :( |
| 11:42.42 | geo-rge | did he also file a hazardous waste rpt against GM? |
| 11:43.07 | sep | goki____, are you sure it's not in your initrd ? |
| 11:43.07 | geo-rge | no, it's one thing somewhere :) |
| 11:43.07 | vook | he wasn't too bright. |
| 11:43.19 | vook | he should've |
| 11:43.35 | vook | Oh the teacher, I have no idea. |
| 11:43.43 | goki____ | sep: let me check |
| 11:43.45 | geo-rge | GM wasn't too bright either :) |
| 11:43.51 | goki____ | sep: I'm sure I checked already... |
| 11:43.57 | goki____ | just gotta wait for boot |
| 11:44.22 | vook | I think the science teacher was actually excited to get her hands on some pure mercury actually :) |
| 11:44.37 | goki____ | the hardware I'm running on is somewhat bizarre, there are multiple devices implemented in an FPGA, which no longer exist when I reprogram the FPGA, but the stupid modules are still trying to talk to the nonexistent hardware |
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| 11:45.30 | goki____ | my /initrd/ is empty |
| 11:45.44 | RvGaTe | Whenever i log in as root on a server i manage,i get a fortune.... this is what i got today: Old geeks never die. We just unsubscribe ... |
| 11:45.44 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:46.20 | tralala | thanks for sharing |
| 11:46.29 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 11:48.09 | vook | RvGaTe, actually, yes thanks. I forgot all about the goodness of fortune. I knew there was something I was missing. |
| 11:49.09 | RvGaTe | auch |
| 11:49.38 | tralala | I always find it funny when people lost all their data due to lack of backups. |
| 11:49.48 | tralala | lose, nevertheless |
| 11:49.54 | freespace | and then one day it happens to you |
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| 11:50.02 | rookmoot | hi there ! |
| 11:50.14 | RvGaTe | Hi rookmoot ! :P |
| 11:50.23 | rookmoot | is there a prob related to the update of libc in unstable ? |
| 11:50.37 | rookmoot | i got error from libc compiling today |
| 11:50.49 | liable | compiling? |
| 11:50.57 | tralala | it has happend to me on plenty of occasions at home because I'm too lazy to keep my backups up to date there. At work I do have a backup of everything valueable. |
| 11:50.58 | rookmoot | using gcc ;) |
| 11:51.20 | vook | what's so silly is that I used to have backups all over the place. Little by little, I've just gotten rid of them. I still have an NS40 tape that probably at least has /var/www on it, so... |
| 11:52.02 | rookmoot | http://paste.sarcelle.net/index.php?id=c347b8e202 |
| 11:52.08 | rookmoot | the trace from gcc |
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| 11:53.51 | rookmoot | is there a mailing list where i could see the lastest update of debian/unstable and see if something is wrong ? |
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| 11:56.42 | liable | i need to exercise more, one game of squash and i can hardly walk. |
| 11:56.50 | vook | any suggestions as to a replacement for midnight-commander? mc seems to be gucking up file copies. |
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| 11:56.59 | liable | rookmoot: wiki.debin.org iirc |
| 11:57.09 | geo-rge | vook: bash |
| 11:57.13 | tralala | liable, squash is great, I'm so sorry I don't have a partner to play with anymore |
| 11:57.15 | rookmoot | liable, thx |
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| 11:57.23 | liable | debian |
| 11:57.28 | rookmoot | liable, seams down |
| 11:57.47 | liable | tralala: yeah, i love it, but am seriously out of shape, havent played in years |
| 11:57.48 | geo-rge | he means wiki.debian.org |
| 11:57.53 | geo-rge | :) |
| 11:57.58 | rookmoot | hooo sry |
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| 11:58.01 | rookmoot | :) |
| 11:58.11 | vook | geo-rge : cp has been giving me trouble recently too. I'm having better luck copying files using cat file > newfile. |
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| 11:58.16 | rookmoot | i'm a bit tired :p |
| 11:58.22 | atk_ | Hi. I'm suspecting that nvidiafb module is the reason why I can't install my nvidia drivers. I can't rmmod it since i2c_algo_bit i2c_core depend on it. Forcing the remove will crash computer (obviously). Should I replace nvidiafb somehow or what should I do? (I'm fairly technical and familiar with linux although I don't about framebuffers) |
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| 11:58.47 | geo-rge | vook: cp trouble? could explain why mc is having trouble copying files |
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| 11:59.05 | geo-rge | (what else would mc use? :) |
| 11:59.08 | ThomasPorter | How can I replace a file.. eg I have backup.orig and want to make it backup |
| 11:59.19 | geo-rge | man mv |
| 11:59.28 | ThomasPorter | thanks |
| 11:59.39 | liable | that wiki has grown since i last looked, or its the wrong one.. |
| 11:59.55 | geo-rge | wonki |
| 11:59.58 | liable | ohno, the staus page is there |
| 12:00.02 | liable | status |
| 12:00.22 | geo-rge | maybe it's wiki.debian.net |
| 12:01.55 | liable | atk_: i dont do nvidia, but i cant say i have heard of the fb module causing the drivers to fail to install. |
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| 12:03.43 | liable | tralala: no social nights at the local centre? |
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| 12:05.39 | PerfDave | Hmm, do you just use "apt-get source linux-image-foo" in >sarge rather than "apt-get install linux-source-foo"? |
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| 12:06.17 | liable | linux-source for kernel source iirc |
| 12:06.59 | PerfDave | Yeah, got it now, I was being silly |
| 12:07.35 | atk_ | liable: the reason I believe it to be the case is because read that somebody managed to remove nvidiafb module and got it working. Also the nvidia installer suggests that if rivafb/nvidiafb is present it might prevent the nvidia kernel module from obtaining ownership of the nvidia graphics device |
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| 12:09.37 | ThomasPorter | in vi... I want to replace a star sign.. but it wont let me.. |
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| 12:10.02 | Phated | Escape it? |
| 12:10.11 | ThomasPorter | Phated: How do I do that? |
| 12:10.25 | PerfDave | ThomasPorter: \* |
| 12:10.25 | tralala | liable, I'm not really socialized yet being an expat and not speaking the local language |
| 12:10.29 | Phated | ThomasPorter: :s/\*/whatever/ |
| 12:10.59 | ThomasPorter | Oh I see, thanks |
| 12:11.01 | Phated | tralala: Aren't there expat bars etc? |
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| 12:12.08 | indraveni | turi, there? |
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| 12:12.23 | liable | atk_: okie |
| 12:12.24 | liable | tralala: oh, makes it hard i guess. |
| 12:12.38 | liable | lol 219.92 sec lag :( |
| 12:12.49 | liable | silly wireless network |
| 12:12.51 | ThomasPorter | How can I find out what the local ip address my box is using? |
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| 12:13.01 | tralala | Phated, I'd think so but I'm rather hesitant to visit. |
| 12:13.03 | petemc | ThomasPorter: ifconfog |
| 12:13.04 | PerfDave | ThomasPorter: It's 127.0.0.1 :) |
| 12:13.06 | petemc | gah |
| 12:13.20 | ThomasPorter | PerfDave: 192.168.1.* |
| 12:13.32 | tralala | liable, yeah, sort of... |
| 12:13.53 | Phated | tralala: Ah. Where are you? |
| 12:14.06 | tralala | Phated, Greece |
| 12:14.13 | Phated | tralala: Awesome. |
| 12:14.14 | ThomasPorter | Hey guys, is there someway to make 192.168.1.200 point to the same box? |
| 12:14.26 | Phated | /etc/hosts? |
| 12:14.27 | tralala | Phated, really? |
| 12:14.30 | ThomasPorter | Currently i'm not on a network, I just need 192.168.1.200 to work |
| 12:14.34 | Phated | tralala: Better than here :) |
| 12:14.37 | PerfDave | ThomasPorter: What do you mean, "make it point to the same box"? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:14.53 | liable | ifconfig |
| 12:15.11 | tralala | Phated, heh, it's better than plenty of places I'm sure (my own country included). |
| 12:15.29 | ThomasPorter | PerfDave: I use to be on a network, but now i'm no longer on a network.. but all my settings (alot) point to 192.168.200 (my old ip address) and it doens't work anymore because i'm no longer on the network |
| 12:15.33 | Phated | tralala: Thus 'awesome'. |
| 12:15.58 | tralala | Phated, yep, got it now. |
| 12:16.11 | Phated | tralala: Quite :) |
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| 12:17.03 | PerfDave | ThomasPorter: Which settings? |
| 12:17.13 | tralala | though 'awesome' would seem a bit exaggregated (to me at least) |
| 12:17.16 | PerfDave | ThomasPorter: And what do you mean, "it doesn't work anymore"? |
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| 12:17.57 | Phated | tralala: Comparatively to here, really awesome. |
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| 12:18.17 | Phated | ThomasPorter: Mmr, should have used hostnames and /etc/hosts :) |
| 12:18.23 | tralala | Phated, okay, you really made me curious now. Where's "here"? |
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| 12:20.13 | ThomasPorter | Phated: Yeah I had a look there, what would my entry look like? |
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| 12:20.46 | Phated | ThomasPorter: It doesn't help you, since your settings are in IP address, not hostname. You'd still have to change your hostname. Essentially, etc/hosts resolves hostnames to IP adddresses. |
| 12:21.01 | Seko | I`m havind dozens of these process frozen in my qmail server: "/usr/bin/perl -T /dev/fd/3//var/qmail/bin/qmail-scanner-queue.pl" can someone tell me why this ? |
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| 12:21.28 | ThomasPorter | Phated: Ah I see |
| 12:21.53 | ThomasPorter | Phated: Is what I want to do possable? |
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| 12:22.18 | Phated | ThomasPorter: Not sure. |
| 12:22.44 | ThomasPorter | Phated: Maybe something in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:23.04 | PerfDave | Downloading kernel source is the only time I really wish I had faster bandwidth |
| 12:23.08 | Phated | ThomasPorter: Chuck a loopback adaptor in your ethernet port and set your IP address to whatever you want - I believe that your ethernet card has to detect -some- connection for what you want to work. |
| 12:23.43 | Phated | tralala: singapore. |
| 12:24.11 | ThomasPorter | Phated: sorry.. whats a lookback adaptor? |
| 12:24.18 | ThomasPorter | *loopback |
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| 12:26.52 | Phated | ThomasPorter: eh, google. |
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| 12:27.33 | ThomasPorter | Phated: Found the microsoft lookback adaptor :p |
| 12:28.03 | PerfDave | ThomasPorter: I doubt that'll be helpful on your Debian system |
| 12:28.14 | tralala | Phated, woow this surely is a small place for the amount of people living there. |
| 12:28.24 | ThomasPorter | PerfDave: I was thinking the same thing ;) |
| 12:30.22 | Phated | ThomasPorter: A -hardware- one. |
| 12:30.41 | goki____ | where are kernel modules? I can never remember |
| 12:30.46 | Phated | tralala: It's pretty shit. |
| 12:31.21 | Phated | ThomasPorter: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/6c20/ |
| 12:31.27 | cyzie | goki____, /usr/src/kernel ? |
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| 12:32.01 | Phated | ThomasPorter: Don't buy it from thinkgeek, but it gives you an idea. |
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| 12:32.07 | PerfDave | goki____: /lib/modules/ |
| 12:32.11 | goki____ | cyzie: doesn't seem to be |
| 12:32.30 | Phated | ThomasPorter: Or to make one: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/software/nog/nog-interfaces/html/fe-ge-loopback25.html |
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| 12:32.55 | Phated | ThomasPorter: Just cross the cables into an rj-45 plug, voila. |
| 12:32.59 | cyzie | goki____, /lib/modules |
| 12:33.21 | cyzie | goki____, /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 12:33.59 | tralala | Phated, you local there? |
| 12:34.17 | cyzie | goki____, why do u want the kernel modules for ? |
| 12:34.39 | Phated | tralala: Unfortunately. |
| 12:35.03 | goki____ | ah yes |
| 12:35.09 | goki____ | the modules are there :) |
| 12:35.21 | goki____ | Well I reckon, if I can't find where they are being loaded, I will just move them |
| 12:35.25 | goki____ | let it try to load them THEN! |
| 12:35.27 | goki____ | mwahaha |
| 12:35.50 | cyzie | LOL |
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| 12:36.38 | goki____ | might even help me find them, if I get an error message on boot about missing modules |
| 12:36.50 | PerfDave | goki____: It sounds like you are doing somethin scary and wrong |
| 12:36.55 | goki____ | thanks |
| 12:36.56 | cyzie | PerfDave, agree |
| 12:37.08 | goki____ | you know, the "friendlier" systems get, the more of a pain int he ass it is to use them |
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| 12:37.39 | goki____ | low level access to hardware has been easy, talking to linux from the fpga is harder, and working out where the hell anything at all is under linux is a nightmare |
| 12:37.40 | cyzie | goki____, which OS is th friendlier ? |
| 12:37.43 | iturk | hi there is it possible to set environment variables in linux but not only for console ?? this is because i would like to run a application using an icon and i would like it to recognise some environment variables !! |
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| 12:38.00 | goki____ | I like linux, I just think some of the organisation is a little complex ;) |
| 12:38.14 | goki____ | it... still loaded the modules |
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| 12:38.15 | tralala | Phated, you have my sympathies, I know how it feels to not like your country. |
| 12:38.28 | ThomasPorter | How does one set the hostip? |
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| 12:39.02 | cyzie | iturk, what application is that ? |
| 12:39.20 | PerfDave | iturk: I *think* that /etc/profile should be read by all login managers, but I'm not sure. |
| 12:39.23 | iturk | cyzie: eclipse |
| 12:39.33 | cyzie | ThomasPorter, in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:39.53 | Phated | ThomasPorter: Without your ethernet interface at least APPEARING to be up, it would seem to be a moot ppoint, since if it doesn't think the interface is up, you can send to that IP till you're blue in the face. |
| 12:39.54 | cyzie | mmm.. u r developing application using eclipse ? |
| 12:40.25 | goki____ | How can it load modules I just moved to another directory? |
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| 12:40.35 | ThomasPorter | cyzie: I'm not on a network - what line should I add? |
| 12:40.41 | PerfDave | goki____: It sounds like you are doing somethin scary and wrong |
| 12:40.43 | iturk | cyzie: i want to set the java environment variable for all system !! so if i put it in /etc/profiles i will not receive no more the message asking me for it ?? |
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| 12:41.06 | xsquared | hi, how can i choose where i can download my packages, again? dpkg-reconfigure apt something? |
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| 12:41.50 | goki____ | PerfDave: I can't find the friendly and right way to do it |
| 12:41.57 | goki____ | PerfDave: so I'm trying other options |
| 12:42.08 | iturk | cyzie: i have an icon putting to eclipse just that |
| 12:42.21 | goki____ | can lsmod list modules that are loaded from somewhere else than lib/modules, or that are built into the kernel or something? |
| 12:42.42 | b0ri0 | guys , am stuck with a 800x600 awful desktop here in my fresh debian , i dont know whats wrong |
| 12:42.49 | b0ri0 | i have been googling for weeks |
| 12:42.55 | b0ri0 | i tried lots of stuff |
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| 12:43.02 | cyzie | iturk, for system wide, u can put in environment in /etc/profile, for a particular user, in /home/user/.bashrc |
| 12:43.04 | b0ri0 | and still i cant configure that xfree86 |
| 12:43.11 | b0ri0 | any advices ? |
| 12:43.17 | tralala | b0ri0, why don't you start by pasting your X log in rafb.net/paste |
| 12:43.31 | b0ri0 | okay tralala |
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| 12:43.36 | PerfDave | goki____: Why don't you clearly state what you're trying to do, rather than randomly moving files that you don't understand? |
| 12:43.39 | iturk | iturk: i press it and i get the message : where the well is your java virtual machine !! you see the problem |
| 12:43.57 | cyzie | ThomasPorter, what are u trying to do actually ? |
| 12:43.59 | PerfDave | b0ri0: Which version of Debian have you installed? |
| 12:44.03 | mcnaft | Hi, I want to watch xvid and divx movies, what player do you recommend? |
| 12:44.13 | PerfDave | mcnaft: I use xine |
| 12:44.24 | Phated | vlc? |
| 12:44.26 | goki____ | PerfDave: I did earlier, but I'll repeat: I have a framebuffer module, and I don't need or want it loading, but I can't find where or how it is loaded |
| 12:44.28 | PerfDave | mcnaft: I think what you mean to ask is about codecs, not players |
| 12:44.30 | cyzie | mcnaft, wxvlc |
| 12:44.31 | t1^ | hmm |
| 12:44.38 | t1^ | anyone know where I can from php5-mcrypt ? |
| 12:44.45 | goki____ | PerfDave: there are some other modules as well, e.g. for NIC and some serial ports |
| 12:44.49 | cyzie | t1^, apt-cache search php5-mcrypt |
| 12:44.55 | t1^ | i think the version im getting on debian.org is conflicting |
| 12:44.57 | PerfDave | goki____: So why are you moving files around in /lib/modules? |
| 12:45.13 | goki____ | PerfDave: so that the module can't be found or loaded |
| 12:45.15 | tralala | mcnaft, mplayer |
| 12:45.22 | goki____ | PerfDave: I'd love to know another way to do it :) |
| 12:45.41 | cyzie | iturk, do u mean u want to run the eclipse in your system ? |
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| 12:45.55 | b0ri0 | tralala, http://rafb.net/paste/results/rqj3Yn58.html |
| 12:46.21 | itchi | !tell cyzie -about u |
| 12:46.37 | PerfDave | goki____: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 12:46.42 | cyzie | !tell itchi about u |
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| 12:46.52 | iturk | cyzie: i can run it in a console because i have the java_home set but if i create an icon in my desktop i get an error message asking me for it !! DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM ?? |
| 12:46.55 | itchi | cyzie: STOP IT and also the u ! |
| 12:46.58 | cyzie | t1^, the package is in apt repo |
| 12:47.20 | b0ri0 | the refresh rate is getting me a headache :( |
| 12:47.30 | tralala | b0ri0, what's your video card? Why are you using the vesa driver? |
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| 12:47.43 | b0ri0 | my video card in an intel GMT |
| 12:47.47 | b0ri0 | how can i fix that |
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| 12:48.07 | PerfDave | b0ri0: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", assuming you haven't hand-edited you X config |
| 12:48.10 | cyzie | itchi, hehehe |
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| 12:48.16 | b0ri0 | i did that PerfDave |
| 12:48.23 | cyzie | itchi, did you get the wireless working? 3945d |
| 12:48.23 | b0ri0 | but didnt fix it |
| 12:48.38 | b0ri0 | and i dont see my vga's driver in those lists |
| 12:48.38 | itchi | cyzie: That's 4 weeks back, yes |
| 12:48.38 | PerfDave | b0ri0: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 12:48.40 | tralala | b0ri0, have you changed your X config by hand? |
| 12:48.47 | b0ri0 | yeah i tried that |
| 12:48.56 | b0ri0 | i edited the XFree86config .. |
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| 12:49.08 | cyzie | iturk, in your source file, point to your java home ? |
| 12:49.13 | PerfDave | b0ri0: If you edited the config, then dpkg-reconfigure will no longer work. /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 12:49.16 | tralala | b0ri0, okay, do what PerfDave told you |
| 12:49.24 | cyzie | itchi, if i want to wardriving, what package i need ? |
| 12:49.26 | b0ri0 | hmm |
| 12:49.34 | iturk | cyzie: i want to avoid that |
| 12:49.59 | b0ri0 | okay i will redo the dpkg-reconfigure .. |
| 12:50.00 | tralala | cyzie, kismet |
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| 12:50.08 | b0ri0 | but i dont know what to choose as a vga driver |
| 12:50.20 | cyzie | tralala, ok, but all AP has those encryption on >:) |
| 12:50.24 | b0ri0 | a friend told me to choose i810 |
| 12:50.28 | b0ri0 | but it didnt work fine |
| 12:50.29 | tralala | cyzie, be sure to avoid illigal activities or you might end up behind the bars |
| 12:50.31 | itchi | tralala: Do not tell him that, if he can not ask about that in an proffesional way |
| 12:50.31 | PerfDave | b0ri0: Google |
| 12:50.40 | b0ri0 | Google for my vga driver |
| 12:50.42 | PerfDave | b0ri0: Do you have a laptop or something? |
| 12:50.48 | b0ri0 | yeah it is a laptop |
| 12:50.53 | cyzie | iturk, then from your java code, get the system environment ? |
| 12:50.57 | b0ri0 | an acer aspire laptop |
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| 12:51.10 | cyzie | tralala, just wanna test my office wifi security level |
| 12:51.11 | b0ri0 | but months ago it worked fine with a ubuntu |
| 12:51.14 | PerfDave | bokey|out: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 12:51.17 | PerfDave | Oops |
| 12:51.20 | PerfDave | b0ri0: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 12:51.33 | itchi | cyzie: The way you told it looks like an sad script kiddie |
| 12:51.40 | PerfDave | That should help you find out which driver you need. |
| 12:51.43 | tralala | cyzie, good. Does your boss know that you'll be testing it? |
| 12:51.53 | b0ri0 | PerfDave, thanks a lot for you help |
| 12:51.56 | cyzie | itchi, ? |
| 12:51.59 | b0ri0 | i will try again :) |
| 12:52.01 | iturk | cyzie: i have add it to /etc/profiles i still get the same error message from the icon !! what can i do ?? |
| 12:52.03 | b0ri0 | thanks tralala too |
| 12:52.05 | cyzie | tralala, yes, we just bought 2 units for expansion |
| 12:52.18 | PerfDave | iturk: Have you logged out of X and back in since editing /etc/profile ? |
| 12:52.32 | iturk | PerfDave: no i will do it now |
| 12:52.46 | cyzie | iturk, System.getProperty("System.env.java") maybe, not sure, but soemthing liek that ? |
| 12:53.28 | tralala | cyzie, excellent. Kismet doesn't care about security but it doesn't support all the wifi chipsets out there. It captures raw data. |
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| 12:54.16 | cyzie | mm.. okay then, let's apt-get install tralala and test it :D |
| 12:54.26 | cyzie | apt-get install kismet sorry :P |
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| 12:54.53 | cyzie | PerfDave, just curiosu, do we need to logout after we change the profile? cant we just source it ? |
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| 12:55.44 | PerfDave | cyzie: How would you source it into your X session? |
| 12:56.24 | cyzie | PerfDave, . /etc/profile ? |
| 12:57.02 | tralala | cyzie, you can also install a clone of me if debian distributes them |
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| 12:57.44 | tralala | cyzie, this will work for the X terminal only |
| 12:57.47 | cyzie | tralala, typo there sorry. heeh |
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| 12:58.21 | cyzie | tralala, PerfDave , ok, i didnt know that, but for his case, iturk, maybe it work w/o log out ? |
| 12:58.25 | tralala | if you want the changes to affect the whole X session you have to restart it |
| 12:58.57 | cyzie | ok, noted. |
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| 13:01.09 | cyzie | iturk, how is it ? |
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| 13:02.13 | ThomasPorter | See yas..i'm off... thanks again for assistance |
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| 13:06.35 | cahoot | any reasonable idea why I have to postpone networking start until xorg is loaded, else the system just hangs when attempting to start x, no x log written |
| 13:07.25 | PerfDave | cahoot: Is there anything interesting in your xorg log when it *does* load? Are you using any NFS mounts, or XDMCP? |
| 13:07.32 | Guerin | cahoot: that's stupid. it does do some lookups and such, though, I once had problems with my hostname being wrong and X taking $timeout seconds to start. |
| 13:07.35 | PerfDave | cahoot: And does it hang, or merely take ages? |
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| 13:08.40 | cahoot | PerfDave: hmm - I've actually tiredafter a minute or so waitng - I'll do more patient try later. (no nfs or xdmcp) |
| 13:08.49 | tralala | Guerin, how can a hostname be wrong? |
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| 13:10.51 | itchi | tralala: ^Mu#hostn@me?? |
| 13:11.14 | itchi | tralala: with one ? included |
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| 13:12.48 | Guerin | tralala: mmm... it was a mismatch between some config file and the entry in /etc/hostname, iirc |
| 13:13.02 | Guerin | i forget which, but X was trying to resolve it |
| 13:13.30 | goki____ | PerfDave: blacklist didn't do anything |
| 13:13.31 | tralala | I see |
| 13:14.44 | t1^ | cyzie apt repo ? |
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| 13:15.51 | tralala | goki____, your framebuffer module is likely loaded by the initrd image. You can pass a kernel parameter iirc to avoid having a framebuffer |
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| 13:17.17 | simonrvn | what's that site with all the mobo diagrams called again? i keep forgetting it... |
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| 13:19.02 | cast | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 13:19.19 | tralala | Lejban, LVM? |
| 13:19.21 | cast | eh, oh. wait. different question. nvm |
| 13:19.22 | Lejban | yep |
| 13:19.44 | goki____ | tralala: ah interesting |
| 13:19.47 | tralala | vgscan, lvscan |
| 13:21.10 | goki____ | where can I find these options (sorry for the stupid questions :) |
| 13:21.22 | Lejban | tralala: before that |
| 13:21.35 | Lejban | I don't have the /dev/sdb7 |
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| 13:21.47 | Lejban | i just created it with fdisk |
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| 13:22.21 | tralala | Lejban, would you mind giving a bit more of the context? |
| 13:22.27 | mark^^ | heyho |
| 13:22.43 | mark^^ | who wants to teach me in english? :) |
| 13:22.48 | tralala | goki____, in the linux docs |
| 13:22.53 | Lejban | I created a logical partition on the free space of my hd |
| 13:22.59 | goki____ | tralala: there are docs?! ;) |
| 13:23.00 | Lejban | but it wont show in /dev |
| 13:23.20 | tralala | goki____, amazing isn't it? |
| 13:23.26 | Lejban | prob udev's fault? |
| 13:23.42 | tralala | Lejban, did you reboot? |
| 13:23.58 | goki____ | tralala: Have you got an url? |
| 13:24.20 | Lejban | tralala: I dont wanna reboot ;) that's the thing |
| 13:24.40 | tralala | goki____, what do you run? stable? |
| 13:25.14 | tralala | Lejban, well, fdisk usually says you need to reboot for the partition table to be reloaded (as in seen) by the kernel. |
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| 13:25.32 | Lejban | ok, that sucks |
| 13:25.56 | tralala | life sometimes does suck |
| 13:26.51 | goki____ | tralala: I need to work that out... it's some crazy embedded system :( |
| 13:26.55 | itchi | tralala: What about an USB key for example? |
| 13:26.56 | itchi | tralala: A mass storage stuff or external USB hdd |
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| 13:27.18 | goki____ | tralala: this isn't booting from lilo or grub, either, it's redboot I think |
| 13:27.28 | Lejban | tralala: thanks anyway |
| 13:28.27 | goki____ | Is there some command to check debian version? |
| 13:28.39 | sep | !version |
| 13:28.40 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 13:28.46 | tralala | goki____, I'm afraid I can't help in that case - in debian the kernel docs are found in the kernel-stuff-docs package |
| 13:29.20 | goki____ | ah it is stable, so sarge? |
| 13:29.21 | tralala | aptitude search kernel.*doc |
| 13:30.01 | tralala | itchi, what about it? |
| 13:30.23 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:30.48 | mosty | how does modprobe know where to look for modules? |
| 13:30.58 | tralala | oh, yes - I'm assuming a sata hard disk |
| 13:31.03 | itchi | mosty: modprobe -l foo |
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| 13:31.42 | itchi | mosty: He just look in the kernel tree of the running kernel uname -r |
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| 13:31.52 | tralala | mosty, it's smart |
| 13:32.01 | mosty | itchi: the problem is that i have a module in there, but modprobe can't find it |
| 13:32.12 | mosty | tralala: not smart enough ;) |
| 13:32.28 | itchi | mosty: Probably it's not in the right place |
| 13:32.49 | mosty | itchi: that's what i'm asking, how does modprobe know what the right place is? |
| 13:32.59 | itchi | mosty: I told you :-) |
| 13:33.05 | cahoot | mosty: depmod at work? |
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| 13:33.59 | Danielss89 | hi, how do i search on debian via ssh? |
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| 13:34.08 | Danielss89 | what is the command, i want to find the file changepass.pl |
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| 13:34.17 | Coke | non-debian, I guess, but how the heck does one ignore incoming auth requests in Psi? |
| 13:34.17 | itchi | Danielss89: Look to what 'ssh' mean |
| 13:34.34 | Danielss89 | itchi im logged on via ssh, via putty |
| 13:34.36 | mosty | oh, actually i see the problem, this modules deb installed into /lib/modules/misc and not in the dir for my kernel |
| 13:34.52 | sep | Danielss89, man find |
| 13:34.58 | Danielss89 | mad find |
| 13:34.59 | Danielss89 | okey |
| 13:35.04 | Danielss89 | man find |
| 13:35.05 | Danielss89 | okey:D |
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| 13:37.27 | possie | i've got a tar archive which i created via, tar zcpvf foo.tar.gz foo/ this directory foo contains files, now i would like to extra the files in the foo directory, directly under a new directory called bar/ how can i do this? i tried tar zxpvf foo.tar.gz -C bar/ but this will just create a subdirectory called foo into bar/foo/ |
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| 13:39.26 | tralala | possie, tar zxf foo.tar.gz; mv foo bar |
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| 13:39.27 | infernix | possie: i don't think you can, really. perhaps tar zxpvf foo.tar.gz -C bar/ foo/* |
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| 13:39.28 | possie | ah thanks |
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| 13:39.41 | Danielss89 | hmm Sep i dont get it, how can i search in subfolders also, so when im in root ill search for changepass.pl and it searches the whole disk |
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| 13:40.05 | tralala | Danielss89, you're not reading carefully |
| 13:40.51 | unlink | by default modprobe/insmod look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.* for module information |
| 13:40.58 | Danielss89 | yes but im not good at all these machine language.. is it follow symlinks i need? |
| 13:41.08 | infernix | Danielss89: you can run 'updatedb' and then 'locate changepass.pl', or you can use find / -name changepass.pl. find does recursion by default, yes. |
| 13:41.51 | itchi | unlink: Yeah, that's many more clear |
| 13:41.57 | enouf | unlink: itchi cahoot .. someone yesterday eluded to this question of modprobe .. turns out they wanted to mix 64bit with 32bit .. took many tit-4-tats to get that info outta them |
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| 13:42.21 | itchi | enouf: Thanks to point it ;-) |
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| 13:44.06 | enouf | I haven;t fired up modconf in some time now .. seems pointless with modprobe -l | grep <name> and lsmod available |
| 13:44.14 | Danielss89 | thanks infernix |
| 13:44.23 | enouf | even modinfo too |
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| 13:46.46 | itchi | vook: Are you logged in as root user? |
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| 13:47.00 | Kerr | ugh.. my stable install didn't shut down problem, then when booting gives crap like being unable to execute getty, and things going too fast :/ i installed a fresh copy on another hdd, but; what on earth happened for things to break so bad :( ? |
| 13:47.02 | itchi | Looks like |
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| 13:47.11 | Kerr | shut down properly^^ |
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| 13:47.47 | itchi | vook: Looks better ;-) |
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| 13:47.59 | vook | itchi: thank you. I know better than that. |
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| 13:48.03 | Constantino | hi |
| 13:48.12 | itchi | vook: ? |
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| 13:49.43 | tralala | Kerr, debian sarge? arch? |
| 13:49.57 | itchi | Kerr: Have you move the drives of place on the cables? |
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| 13:53.06 | itchi | echo |
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| 13:53.43 | Guerin | lokuciej: fold |
| 13:55.20 | lokuciej | Guerin: what format does "fold" expect? plain text? |
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| 14:00.14 | Kerr | sarge, k7, it was working, i shut it down to put in a new nic and it hung on something like 'init:nothing on this runlevel' .. after that it wouldn't boot |
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| 14:01.29 | iuso | anyone familiar with setting up xen + software raid? xen-kernel won't boot because it can't find root device /dev/md0 |
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| 14:01.58 | psycodad_ | hi, i have built a bootable cd with bootcd on etch, now everything works when booting from cdrom, except the network: the if shows not up and dhclient is not started, however if login then as root and issue "dhclient eth0" it works. Anybody got any hints what could be wrong ? |
| 14:02.59 | wols_ | set up your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:03.24 | psycodad_ | wols, looks perfectly fine, 1-1 like a real debian host, seems not to be the problem |
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| 14:04.21 | Danielss89 | which mail server do you recommend? Qmail, Postfix and Sendmail |
| 14:04.32 | PerfDave | Danielss89: exim |
| 14:04.41 | psycodad_ | Danielss89: the one you're happy with and know the ins and outs |
| 14:04.56 | PerfDave | Danielss89: exim is installed by default on Debian, if you don't have a good reason to switch from it, don't. |
| 14:04.57 | Danielss89 | exim4 :D |
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| 14:05.58 | RealBorg | Danielss89, postfix |
| 14:06.00 | psycodad_ | i was wondering where in the boot process dhclient should/is started and what it depens on, i suspect hotplug does not configure the if as up and therefor dhclient never gets invoked due to that reason |
| 14:06.02 | sep | Danielss89, not qmail and sendmail atltest |
| 14:06.12 | MatBoy | What is the best solution to use as VPS servers, Xen or Vmware. Xen should be using less resources comparing to Vmware, but the support on Vmware is much much better than from Xen. |
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| 14:06.36 | Danielss89 | hmm but does exim4 work as an mailserver which i can recieve and set up mails from my domains also? |
| 14:07.01 | mosty | daniels: yes |
| 14:07.03 | sep | Danielss89, exim4 is a fully featured mailserver. |
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| 14:07.17 | Danielss89 | okey.. |
| 14:07.36 | PerfDave | psycodad_: I don't think that Etch uses hotplug, I think it uses udev crap instead |
| 14:07.37 | psycodad_ | MatBoy: the best solution always depends on your specific needs |
| 14:07.49 | tabularasa | Is there way to setup inherited permissions on a directory? I didnt see the command in the setfacl man. |
| 14:08.01 | PerfDave | tabularasa: What permissions do you want to inherit? |
| 14:08.08 | MatBoy | psycodad_, yes, that is true. But what should be your opinion ? I think Vmware is a very good a solid product |
| 14:08.09 | tabularasa | the root level folder |
| 14:08.33 | PerfDave | I found Vmware to be too bloaty and annoying for me. Xen's much more streamlined. |
| 14:08.35 | tabularasa | PerfDave: IE, if im root and i copy stuff into joe-blows folder, i want Joe-Blow to have access to it |
| 14:08.42 | Kerr | skype wants to install gcc-3.3-base (i'm using etch, pretty fresh/default install at the moment) will installing that break anything? dpkg -l |grep gcc shows i have 3.4 and 4.1 |
| 14:08.43 | psycodad_ | MatBoy: i run production sites within vmware server, so i am happy with it ;-) |
| 14:08.57 | MatBoy | psycodad_, kewl ! |
| 14:09.14 | psycodad_ | PerfDave: everything is different after running bootcdwrite ;-) i think at least then it uses hotplug |
| 14:09.29 | PerfDave | tabularasa: I think you just need to chown it afterwards |
| 14:09.36 | MatBoy | PerfDave, I can understand that. Installing Xen is easy, but installing a guestOS from a ISo... that is not possible anymore from 3.0.3 I have understood |
| 14:09.42 | PerfDave | tabularasa: You could investigate setting the folder as SGID |
| 14:09.57 | tabularasa | PerfDave: Yeah, thats what i have been doing, but im trying to make it stupidproof for the people who have to support it |
| 14:10.10 | PerfDave | tabularasa: Write a script which chowns for them? :) |
| 14:10.10 | tabularasa | PerfDave: thanks, i will look into that |
| 14:10.15 | MatBoy | psycodad_, you don't see much used resources used by vmware only ? |
| 14:10.17 | PerfDave | MatBoy: I was just reading documentation about installing Windows from an ISO as a Xen guest |
| 14:10.37 | tabularasa | PerfDave: Its a failed project from the beginning. ITs a samba/ldap server for Windows users |
| 14:10.40 | MatBoy | PerfDave, if you would like, please give me some of those howto's |
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| 14:10.41 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: Just install the guest os in qemu (dunno why you would not just use xen-tools though |
| 14:10.41 | Kerr | tabularasa: are you looking for 'chown jo-blows:jo-blows /home/jo-blows/stuff' or trying to make it automatic? |
| 14:10.58 | tabularasa | Kerr: automatic |
| 14:10.59 | MatBoy | I can;t figure out if I need to use the same kernel from the dom0 for a domu for every Distro |
| 14:11.16 | psycodad_ | MatBoy: I currently have a box running our master Mailscanner, a MySQL dbsrv and the site im developing and testing my bootcdroms with, it normally runs at 0.15 load average |
| 14:11.17 | tabularasa | The problem lies in the fact that the admins are using Windows to copy stuff from the old server to the new samba/ldap server |
| 14:11.19 | PerfDave | MatBoy: They're on the Xen website |
| 14:11.20 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, xentools is maybe a very good idea :) |
| 14:11.28 | Kerr | skype wants to install gcc-3.3-base as a dependancy (i'm using etch, pretty fresh/default install at the moment) will installing that break anything? dpkg -l |grep gcc shows i have 3.4 and 4.1 |
| 14:11.34 | MatBoy | PerfDave, I have read there a lot... let me check bak |
| 14:11.47 | tabularasa | they are logged in as their user in the admins group. When the copy the users crap into their home directory, it overwrites the permissions |
| 14:11.52 | PerfDave | MatBoy: You don't need to use the same kernel for a dom0 and domU. I believe that you can have multiple domU kernels too |
| 14:11.56 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: man xen-create-image |
| 14:11.56 | MatBoy | psycodad_, on what kind of system if I may ask ? |
| 14:11.58 | abrotman | Kerr: ask #skype if they hve packages fro etch |
| 14:12.11 | Kerr | abrotman: empty channel |
| 14:12.14 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, thanks |
| 14:12.20 | MatBoy | PerfDave, OK ! |
| 14:12.25 | Kerr | abrotman: will installing it break things? |
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| 14:12.42 | psycodad_ | MatBoy: Fujitsu Simens Rx220, its a dual opteron 246 with 3GB Ram (im still waiting for the 4th gig) |
| 14:12.49 | Kerr | abrotman: or can i have both 3.3 and 3.4 at the same time? |
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| 14:13.03 | MatBoy | psycodad_, ok, my testbox is a quad Xeon 500 with 4GB |
| 14:13.06 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: Unless you want a fedora 6 domU (xen-tools supports most other os's quite easily) |
| 14:13.17 | psycodad_ | however i have alse excellent performance on a 3.2GHz Intel with 2GB.... |
| 14:13.22 | abrotman | Kerr: i suppose so .. try it and see what happens |
| 14:13.23 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, nah, no FC at all :) |
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| 14:13.39 | psycodad_ | i'd say you lose sth around 15% compared running natively |
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| 14:14.42 | tabularasa | setgid looks to be what i need, thanks |
| 14:15.10 | charzero | What happened to apache2-ssl-certificate in testing/apache2.2 ? |
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| 14:16.51 | solemnwarning | Are there any apps to convert flac to MP3? |
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| 14:17.18 | CharminTheMoose | how do i make my vfat partition readwrite for a normal user? |
| 14:17.18 | solemnwarning | I tried lame, but I just got crackling noise for the entire output file |
| 14:17.28 | abrotman | check freshmeat |
| 14:17.40 | infernix | solemnwarning: convert to wav first? |
| 14:17.48 | solemnwarning | Using what? |
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| 14:18.08 | psycodad_ | still: anybody got a hint on which startup script is responsible to set ethX to status UP ? |
| 14:18.08 | tabularasa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.18 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: I only did it to see whether it was possible really (and to mess with ifolder) |
| 14:18.37 | jareth_ | solemnwarning: cdparanoia |
| 14:18.50 | psycodad_ | or what could be the reason for an interface to not get status UP after boot (despite not having it connected) |
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| 14:19.03 | petemc | psycodad_: auto etho |
| 14:19.10 | petemc | psycodad_: in the interfaces file |
| 14:19.34 | psycodad_ | petemc: i have iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:19.55 | petemc | psycodad_: so you need to add "auto eth0" , like i just said |
| 14:19.56 | psycodad_ | in interfaces, and also a line above: allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 14:20.39 | psycodad_ | petemc: argh...you're right, funny this is from disk, and it works when booting from disk, but let me try your suggestions |
| 14:20.49 | m0dY | how to grep any integer more than a certain value ? |
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| 14:21.25 | PerfDave | m0dY: perl or sed? |
| 14:21.46 | m0dY | PerfDave, may be sed :) |
| 14:22.00 | m0dY | anything nice to use in a command line in my shell |
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| 14:24.22 | psycodad_ | petemc: it looks like i need to remove the hotplug line that ethc added compared to sarge |
| 14:25.15 | _someboy | how can i install a local deb package ? what is the command for that? |
| 14:25.17 | petemc | psycodad_: why? adding the auto line isnt sufficient? |
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| 14:25.34 | m0dY | PerfDave, anything :) |
| 14:26.12 | PerfDave | m0dY: Perl, or sed |
| 14:26.41 | m0dY | sed |
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| 14:27.05 | psycodad_ | well i first removed the hotplug line and added auto and it still boots from disk, nxt ill try with hotplug and auto and then im gonna shoot another iso to test it in vmware |
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| 14:29.26 | stew | _someboy: use the dpkg command |
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| 14:30.49 | Danielss89 | hmm can i test if exim 4 works? |
| 14:30.58 | mosty | send email |
| 14:31.17 | stew | Danielss89: echo "test" | mail -s "subject" your@self.com |
| 14:31.48 | petemc | exim4 -bt address would work too |
| 14:32.13 | Kerr | why would my (now old i guess) sarge install suddenly stop working, ala hanging on shutdown with the likes of 'init: nothing left in this runlevel' and being unable to execute getty, and things going too fast, after reboot? |
| 14:32.29 | Danielss89 | hmm i get no email stew.... |
| 14:32.35 | Kerr | i already had etch downloaded and was planning a fresh install, but 5am is a cruel time to die |
| 14:32.38 | mosty | daniel: look in the logs |
| 14:32.40 | Danielss89 | but no error neither |
| 14:32.58 | stew | Danielss89: watch /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 14:33.08 | stew | Danielss89: check "mailq" to see if its stuck in the outbound queue |
| 14:33.17 | stew | Danielss89: run "mail" to see if it bounced |
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| 14:33.36 | stew | abchirk: who is it this time? |
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| 14:33.42 | tralala | Kerr, perhaps your getty or some libs got somehow deleted |
| 14:33.50 | abchirk | stew nobody at this moment :D |
| 14:33.54 | Danielss89 | Stew i get: "No mail for root" |
| 14:33.56 | abchirk | only checked.. |
| 14:34.11 | Kerr | tralala: wouldn't that have broken things straight away? |
| 14:34.28 | tijn | just fell into a conversation, but isnt mail for root handled by the postmaster? |
| 14:34.30 | stew | abchirk: i'm wondering how long it will be before you decide to give up your esteemed spot at the top of the alphabetical order :) |
| 14:34.48 | Danielss89 | and this when i run mailq stew: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2518 |
| 14:34.51 | abchirk | stew strange is that abrotman never gets spam.. |
| 14:35.06 | abrotman | i'm id'ed to nickserv? |
| 14:35.23 | tralala | Kerr, not necessarily |
| 14:35.23 | abchirk | yes |
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| 14:35.29 | stew | !list |
| 14:35.29 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to stew |
| 14:35.34 | abrotman | oh .. abchirk spammed me! |
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| 14:36.03 | abrotman | abchirk: /mode abchirk .. what's your mode ? |
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| 14:36.18 | stew | Danielss89: yeah, so those mails are sitting in the outbound queue instead of being delivered for some reason. /var/log/exim4/mainlog should show you why |
| 14:36.26 | abchirk | * +e6 |
| 14:36.27 | szachista | hi |
| 14:36.33 | abchirk | hi |
| 14:36.46 | abrotman | i'm only +e |
| 14:36.53 | abchirk | hm what means th 6? |
| 14:36.56 | szachista | where can i get some package that was in unstable 2 weeks ago? |
| 14:36.58 | abrotman | !fn modes |
| 14:36.58 | dpkg | umodes is, like, http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 14:37.15 | abrotman | dunno .. don't see it |
| 14:37.16 | tralala | szachista: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 14:37.16 | szachista | is it possible anyway? |
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| 14:37.39 | Kerr | :/ |
| 14:37.40 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 14:37.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | szachista: ^^ |
| 14:37.46 | abchirk | hm cannot find it tehre |
| 14:37.46 | Kerr | tralala: any idea how i could fix it? |
| 14:37.51 | pseubodot | eeps |
| 14:37.52 | tralala | abchirk, too late, I won |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:37.55 | tralala | meh |
| 14:37.57 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 14:37.58 | abchirk | he? |
| 14:38.05 | pseubodot | wrong ab |
| 14:38.07 | pseubodot | sorry |
| 14:38.11 | szachista | tralala: thx :) |
| 14:38.21 | tralala | szachista: you're welcome |
| 14:38.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:38.40 | Danielss89 | stew: http://pottersiden.dk/eximlog.JPG |
| 14:38.50 | petemc | a jpg, thats handy |
| 14:39.06 | psycodad_ | eases cutnpaste :) |
| 14:39.08 | fireba11 | very |
| 14:39.14 | jareth_ | how can I make enable soundpreview in nautilus? feels like I'm missing a package to get previews on my mp3's |
| 14:39.22 | stew | thinkpad warranty service still rocks. called them about my power receptacle getting loose on wednesday 22:00, just got my machine with a replaced system board friday 9:30 |
| 14:39.39 | Danielss89 | it looks like the permission is denied, can i change exim to use root user so everything i allowes stew? |
| 14:39.40 | tijn | thats fast! |
| 14:39.48 | petemc | conversely, apple support sucks balls |
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| 14:39.58 | stew | oh, hmm i guess it was tuesday 22:00 |
| 14:40.07 | abrotman | Danielss89: ls -l /dev/null |
| 14:40.13 | psycodad_ | petemc: they have support ??? |
| 14:40.16 | tralala | it should be forbidden for two people to have nicks with the same initial two caracters. Makes tab complition HARD! |
| 14:40.26 | petemc | psycodad_: i bought applecarfe |
| 14:40.28 | petemc | care |
| 14:40.31 | jareth_ | I'm used to just get it to work when I install mpg123 and enable preview for sound.. |
| 14:40.40 | Danielss89 | abrotman crw-r--r-- 1 root root 1, 3 Nov 5 15:22 /dev/null |
| 14:40.57 | stew | Danielss89: chmod 666 /dev/null |
| 14:40.58 | abrotman | that's nto right |
| 14:41.06 | stew | the mode of the beast |
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| 14:41.24 | psycodad_ | psycodad_: i worked for a large mac disti ages ago and was always amused about that "only a certified apple tekkie may replace that screw"-attitude |
| 14:41.27 | Danielss89 | so now it should be able to send emails? |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | psycodad_: you're talking to yourself |
| 14:41.43 | psycodad_ | i mean petemc ... |
| 14:41.45 | abrotman | psyco |
| 14:41.45 | petemc | Danielss89: root should be aliased to a normal user in /etc/aliases |
| 14:41.57 | stew | Danielss89: yeah, now you can ask someone who knows exim4 better than I how to rerun the queue |
| 14:42.01 | psycodad_ | lol...command completion once eased my life...that was times ago... |
| 14:42.03 | stew | runq? exim -M or something? |
| 14:42.03 | petemc | exim -qff |
| 14:42.17 | stew | petemc: -qff will unthaw too? |
| 14:42.23 | petemc | it'll force everything |
| 14:42.49 | petemc | exim -M needs a message id |
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| 14:43.34 | Danielss89 | perfect, it looks like it is sending them now |
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| 14:48.43 | JoelR | anyone knows why SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable appears? |
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| 14:49.07 | Danielss89 | thx everyone |
| 14:49.55 | mosty | joelr: because you tries to add a route to something which is unreachable? |
| 14:49.59 | mosty | s/tries/tried/ |
| 14:50.10 | JoelR | it's not unreachable since i can ping it |
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| 14:50.44 | mosty | why do you need to add a route to it if you can ping it already? |
| 14:52.23 | abrotman | to make it the default route maybe ? |
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| 14:53.11 | stew | JoelR: what command are you running that gives you that output? |
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| 14:53.54 | JoelR | because i don't know why when i try to access via ssh to a debian server i have in an address 150.187.114.4 i can't, and the "firewall" of the dmz is 150.187.114.5 i can't ssh to it either! |
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| 14:54.09 | JoelR | the network is like this: ---> router ----> FW -----> server. |
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| 14:54.21 | JoelR | from internet, i only can reach "router" |
| 14:54.38 | JoelR | but not firewall.. and now it has no iptables rule that block any packet |
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| 14:55.34 | stew | JoelR: run "ip a ; ip r; whatevercommand" where whatever command is the one that gives you SIOCADDRT, and put the whole thing into a pastebin |
| 14:56.22 | JoelR | ip a? ip r? |
| 14:56.47 | stew | JoelR: or substitude "ifconfig ; route -n" for "ip a; ip r" |
| 14:57.00 | stew | i wish iproute was default already... |
| 14:57.29 | jelly | I wish ifupdown used it. |
| 14:57.39 | JoelR | ? ip a? ip r? |
| 14:57.52 | stew | JoelR: can you ask a more specific question? |
| 14:58.01 | stew | jelly: when you get your wish is when i'll get mine, probably |
| 14:58.02 | jelly | JoelR: iproute package |
| 14:58.18 | JoelR | stew: i don't what you mean by "ip a" and "ip r".. |
| 14:58.20 | stew | JoelR: forget it, just run "ifconfig ; route -n; whatevercommand" |
| 14:58.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: LOL http://people.zoy.org/~sam/bisountu.jpeg |
| 14:59.23 | abrotman | that's .. bad |
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| 15:00.33 | hackel | Anyone know of a way to do a recursive search and replace on symlinks? (e.g. moving from one server to another where the (unfortunately) absolute path changes) |
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| 15:01.30 | dooglus | hackel: using wdired in Emacs it's pretty easy |
| 15:01.38 | Roey | abrotman: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=479473958902023238 |
| 15:01.52 | Roey | abrotman: contains profanity and sexual innuendo but otherwise a solid short film |
| 15:02.00 | hackel | dooglus: Hmm, and if this server doesn't have Emacs installed? :) |
| 15:02.11 | dooglus | hackel: then "sudo apt-get install emacs21"... |
| 15:02.13 | abrotman | Roey: i'm at work ... |
| 15:02.16 | jelly | hackel: then you write a script? |
| 15:02.19 | Roey | abrotman: ok then, nm |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | Roey: remind me tonight or over the weekend |
| 15:02.38 | stew | hackel: find /path -type f -print0 | xargs sed -i "s/oneurl/otherurl/g" |
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| 15:03.00 | stew | hackel: but please test firse or use sed -i.bak or something |
| 15:03.12 | Roey | abrotman, aye |
| 15:03.20 | dooglus | stew: he's trying to replace symlinks. sed won't do that. |
| 15:03.22 | stew | and actually ...sed -i "s,oneurl,otherurl,g" is probably going to be easier... |
| 15:03.26 | JoelR | stew: http://pastebin.ca/271880 |
| 15:03.29 | dooglus | stew: and find -type f won't find them either |
| 15:03.39 | stew | dooglus: huh? |
| 15:03.53 | stew | dooglus: what will need to be found that "find type -f " wouldn't find? |
| 15:04.01 | dooglus | stew: symlinks |
| 15:04.06 | petemc | isnt there -lname |
| 15:04.08 | stew | OH |
| 15:04.17 | stew | for somereason i was reading hyperlihnks |
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| 15:04.46 | stew | hackel: find -type l | rename 's,onepath,otherpath,' |
| 15:04.56 | stew | no |
| 15:04.58 | stew | crap |
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| 15:05.05 | stew | hackel: nevermind me |
| 15:05.06 | dooglus | stew: he doesn't want to rename the links, he wants to change the targets of the links |
| 15:05.10 | stew | yeah |
| 15:05.19 | jelly | hackel: anyway DON'T do what stew wrote with sed |
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| 15:05.25 | darnell | has anyone had success trying to play m4p files from the itunes store on their box? |
| 15:05.27 | stew | sorry |
| 15:05.33 | hackel | jelly: hehe, no |
| 15:05.34 | petemc | find / -lname "*foo*" -printf '%p links to %l\n' |
| 15:05.43 | petemc | doesnt help much |
| 15:05.43 | hackel | But I could do something with find -lname and awk, perhaps? |
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| 15:06.19 | JoelR | stew: did you see the pastebin? |
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| 15:07.07 | JoelR | stew: http://pastebin.ca/271885 |
| 15:07.09 | RodneyMcKay | hi guys i've got a question about packaging |
| 15:07.17 | stew | hackel: maybe: find -lname "something" | while read a ; do newlink=$(readlink $a | sed 's,old,new,') ; rm $a ; ln -s $newlink $a ; done |
| 15:07.19 | RodneyMcKay | i'm not using debian myself but i'm upstream maintainer of a package in Debian |
| 15:07.22 | stew | JoelR: looking now |
| 15:07.32 | RodneyMcKay | and i need to know what the difference between a package's Depends and Recommends is? |
| 15:07.37 | hackel | Wait, it looks like find -lname actually searches the contents of the file linked to. |
| 15:07.40 | RodneyMcKay | Recommends are not hard dependencies for the package right? |
| 15:07.45 | abrotman | a depends is something the package needs to run |
| 15:07.49 | abrotman | !mg |
| 15:07.49 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 15:07.56 | dooglus | hackel: something like this will do it: find . -type l | while read x; do target=$(ls -l "$x" | sed 's/.* -> \(.*\)/\1/' | sed 's!/old/path!/new/path!'); ln -sf "$target" "$x"; done |
| 15:08.11 | JoelR | stew: excuse me, this is the right log: http://pastebin.ca/271887 |
| 15:09.14 | stew | dooglus: use readlink instead of ls -l |
| 15:09.28 | dooglus | stew: ok. hadn't heard of readlink |
| 15:09.44 | stew | JoelR: wait, so there is no SIOCADDRT anymore? |
| 15:09.59 | hackel | dooglus: that looks promising, thank you. |
| 15:10.06 | stew | JoelR: show me the exact commands that give you errors |
| 15:10.19 | JoelR | stew: of course there is.. it shows me SIOCADDRT when i execute the command i wrote down the pastebin |
| 15:10.24 | JoelR | route add.. |
| 15:10.25 | gnudo | i am trying to install 2.6.18-3 backport kernel with apt-get install but it fails with "dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 (--configure):" |
| 15:10.30 | gnudo | what can i do?? |
| 15:11.35 | stew | JoelR: why are you trying to add a route to 150.187.114.0/29 ? you already have a route there |
| 15:11.41 | dooglus | hackel: better: find . -type l -lname '/old/path/*' | while read x; do target=$(readlink "$x" | sed 's/.* -> \(.*\)/\1/' | sed 's!/old/path!/new/path!'); ln -sf "$target" "$x"; done |
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| 15:12.06 | dooglus | hackel: using -lname to only work on links with the old path in their target, and using readlink instead of ls -l as stew suggested |
| 15:12.09 | stew | JoelR: the first route in "route -n" is a route to there, so there is no point in adding one |
| 15:12.12 | gnudo | i am running sarge btw |
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| 15:12.33 | stew | gnudo: did you install grub / initramfs-tool / udev from backports also? |
| 15:12.42 | stew | gnudo: its probably not finding an initrd creator |
| 15:12.56 | dooglus | hackel: try it with "echo ln" instead of "ln" first, so it just prints what commands it would run, without running them |
| 15:13.08 | JoelR | stew: Umm.. the problem is that i can't reach FW from internet, and there isn't any iptables's rule blocking it |
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| 15:13.15 | gnudo | stew: i do not know. how can i go about it? |
| 15:13.18 | JoelR | so i suspect there is something wrong with routing.. |
| 15:13.25 | stew | gnudo: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:13.33 | stew | gnudo: if you don't know, then you didn't install them |
| 15:13.48 | stew | JoelR: if that is the problem, show me a command and the output which demonstrates the problem |
| 15:13.51 | looktj | :D |
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| 15:14.22 | hackel | dooglus: Right, hopefully this will work, thanks a lot! |
| 15:14.29 | JoelR | stew: what problem do you refer to? for example, if i ping from outside my network to my FW, it doesn't answer |
| 15:14.45 | stew | JoelR: what is the ip of the router, the firewall, and the server |
| 15:14.56 | stew | JoelR: the problem i refer to is "if i ping from outside my network to my FW, it doesn't answer" |
| 15:15.04 | stew | show at least tell me what ip you are trying to ping |
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| 15:16.59 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, do you know an rsync client for KDE ? |
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| 15:17.55 | dooglus | hackel: I suggest trying it on a small test directory tree first, and being careful with it. I've done very little testing on it. |
| 15:18.17 | hackel | dooglus: Yeah, don't worry only working on copies until I'm sure. :) |
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| 15:18.22 | starz | !rmmod |
| 15:18.23 | dpkg | methinks rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 15:19.16 | JoelR | stew: did u read the notice? :) |
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| 15:21.11 | psycodad_ | can i source/include another file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:21.25 | psycodad_ | petemc: your suggestion works, i have now dhcp from cd, thx! |
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| 15:22.14 | abrotman | psycodad_: ask #xorg |
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| 15:23.20 | roler | jWhat does a 2.6.xx kernel use? Ipchains? ip tables? ipfwadm? I always get them confused! |
| 15:23.22 | dooglus | psycodad_: there doesn't seem to be anything about doing so in "man xorg.conf" |
| 15:23.30 | dooglus | roler: iptables |
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| 15:25.12 | roler | dooglus, ; well what needs to be enabled in the kernel? WHen I do "iptables -I INPUT -s 25.55.55.55 -j DROP" to block an ip that is abusing my server, it says "FATAL: Module ip_tables not found." |
| 15:26.02 | dooglus | roler: you need to load the ip_tables module? |
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| 15:26.24 | dooglus | "modprobe ip_tables" I guess, but I've never had to do that - it seems to be automatically loaded for me |
| 15:26.26 | petemc | roler: you could use iproute , ip route add prohibit ipaddr |
| 15:27.38 | dooglus | I blocked all incoming connections to all inferfaces using iptables a few days ago. left the machine running overnight, only to find in the morning that fetchmail had downloaded and thrown away all my mail, because it couldn't connect to exim to deliver it. |
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| 15:27.59 | petemc | people still use fetchmail? |
| 15:28.09 | Falkon | petemc: hahaha |
| 15:28.14 | dooglus | petemc: what do you suggest instead? |
| 15:28.15 | psycodad_ | dooglus: yeah, thats why i asked ;-) im trying some poormans sort of graphic card autodetection with discover and i wondered if i could just redirect the output (for the server driver) into a file and include it in the xorg.conf |
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| 15:28.38 | psycodad_ | i fear to deal with sed and rewrite the whole config for the xdriver only |
| 15:28.49 | roler | i have no ip_tables module to load... |
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| 15:29.09 | petemc | dooglus: dont know names ottomh , ive been lead to believe replacements have been written tho |
| 15:29.24 | dooglus | roler: I'm running sid, and have /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko . |
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| 15:29.57 | JoelR | stew: did u read the notice? :) |
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| 15:30.16 | dooglus | petemc: getmail4 tells me "getmail is intended as a simple replacement for fetchmail." |
| 15:30.24 | gnudo | stew: thanks |
| 15:30.47 | gnudo | stew: i will reboot in a minute and test the new kernel |
| 15:30.54 | gnudo | stew: thanks very much |
| 15:31.28 | roler | i have a custom compiled kernel, So I need to know what option under networking to do it |
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| 15:34.22 | stew | JoelR: no |
| 15:35.14 | stew | # |
| 15:35.21 | stew | err |
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| 15:36.05 | RIsa | I want to install a plain Debian and have a fast internet connection |
| 15:36.12 | stew | JoelR: you are tryping to add a route to 150.187.114.0/29 but the server you are trying to ping is not on that network |
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| 15:36.29 | RIsa | do I only need CD1? |
| 15:36.38 | RIsa | or all the other 13 too? |
| 15:36.40 | stew | JoelR: so when you ping that server, its going to try to get it over you default route on eth3 |
| 15:36.53 | roler | ok I think I got it |
| 15:36.54 | JoelR | stew: ehh pv plz |
| 15:36.56 | roler | thanks :) |
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| 15:38.00 | stew | JoelR: please don't msg me |
| 15:38.24 | JoelR | stew; ok, thank you for your "help". |
| 15:38.35 | petemc | haha |
| 15:38.41 | stew | JoelR: its hard to help if you can't show me what is wrong |
| 15:39.00 | JoelR | stew: i gave you what was wrong like 20 minutes ago |
| 15:39.22 | stew | JoelR: yeah. so your problem is a) you are trying to add a route that already exists |
| 15:40.01 | stew | JoelR: b) you are trying to ping a server on which you are expecting to go over eth0, but is on a different subnet, so its going over eth3 which doesn't know how to get to the server's subnet |
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| 15:40.13 | JoelR | forget it.. |
| 15:40.33 | stew | JoelR: if you can't get me accurate info, i have no idea how i'm supposed to guess what the problem is |
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| 15:40.52 | petemc | stew: you're too nice |
| 15:40.55 | RvGaTe | In windows i could use right alt + e to generate the é, or left alt + 130 (numpad).... i noticed these kind of things aren't working within debian etch... how would i do this ? |
| 15:40.58 | JoelR | stew: if you read the pastebin i put, you could read twhat he problem is |
| 15:41.04 | stew | JoelR: yes. i did |
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| 15:41.13 | stew | JoelR: you are trying to add a route which already exists |
| 15:41.31 | JoelR | stew: ok, but then why can't i reach my FW from internet? |
| 15:41.50 | stew | JoelR: i don't know, what is the ip address of the FW? |
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| 15:42.10 | stew | JoelR: what are you trying to do to reach it? |
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| 15:42.29 | JoelR | stew: ping, ssh, or whatever |
| 15:42.49 | stew | JoelR: what is the ip address. what happens when you try to ping it? have you tried traceroute? |
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| 15:44.09 | RIsa | so do I only need CD1 if I want to install debian and use a mirror for packages/ |
| 15:44.10 | RIsa | ? |
| 15:44.26 | stew | RIsa: yes, as long as your machine can be networked with a stock debian kernel |
| 15:44.30 | JoelR | stew: 150.187.110.5, if i ping it from outside it doesn't answer, and traceroute packets die much before to reach it.. althought, i can reach servers BEHIND it, do i don't understand why i can't get on the FW |
| 15:44.36 | stew | RIsa: in which case you could use a netinst, /msg dpkg netinst |
| 15:44.43 | RIsa | stew: I could always recompile the kernel |
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| 15:45.05 | RIsa | thing is, when I want to install the base system offline, I only need CD1? |
| 15:45.11 | RIsa | or is part ofthe installer on CD2 too? |
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| 15:45.33 | stew | RIsa: no, everything you need for a base system is on the netinst (which is a 110 - 150mb subset of CD1) |
| 15:45.41 | Ronin | RIsa: disk 1 will do it, assuming you dont install anything extra/odd |
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| 15:45.56 | RIsa | no, anything extra comes from a package mirror |
| 15:46.06 | stew | JoelR: is the firewall convigured to drop pings from the untrusted interface? that would not be suprising or uncommon |
| 15:46.11 | RIsa | ok, just wanted to have that assurance |
| 15:46.12 | CrazednDazed | I got the debian netinstall, the basic. after I got the right apt-get list everything worked great. Just recently, I've been getting unmet dependency errors. Anyone successfully downloaded skype with apt-get? |
| 15:46.43 | JoelR | stew: no it isn't. |
| 15:47.05 | CrazednDazed | or maybe know of a popular mainstream apt-get list |
| 15:47.16 | CrazednDazed | with skype and other common packages (also can't get amarok or mplayer) |
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| 15:48.06 | abrotman | stew: do you know if burton hangs out in #-devel ? |
| 15:48.13 | stew | JoelR: is 150.187.110.5 a routing firewall or a bridging firewall? |
| 15:48.20 | JoelR | stew: routing one |
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| 15:48.35 | wols_ | CrazednDazed: skype is not in debian. it cannot be |
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| 15:48.50 | CrazednDazed | skype.com has a debian package |
| 15:49.00 | wols_ | we don't care. it's not in debian, period |
| 15:49.03 | CrazednDazed | I tried that too but it said unmet dependencies, and nothing will telll me what they are. |
| 15:49.05 | jelly | CrazednDazed: amarok is in Debian, mplayer should be in unstable too. |
| 15:49.12 | stew | JoelR: and 200.44.145.18 is the next hop for .5? |
| 15:49.14 | aronofsky | hi guys, i try to config my postfix in order to DISCARD mail adress to certain recipient , so i creat a file containing 'user@domain DISCARD', i use postmap to convert it, then in my main.cf i use the following : smtpd_recipient_restrictions = |
| 15:49.14 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.14 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.14 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:49.23 | stew | abrotman: checking |
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| 15:49.26 | goki____ | so... I really do need to get rid of this framebuffer thing, I think |
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| 15:49.28 | JoelR | stew: no |
| 15:49.36 | schme | jelly: I don't believe mplayer is in unstable |
| 15:49.38 | CrazednDazed | jelly: know of an apt-get list anywhere that definitely has those? |
| 15:49.44 | cjari | hi, is there anything like dos2unix? |
| 15:49.51 | goki____ | goki____: if it was a standard debian system, how would I get it to be text-only, as in only serial terminals? |
| 15:49.56 | JoelR | cjari, vim :) |
| 15:49.59 | schme | jelly: Oh you are right, it is! |
| 15:50.00 | wols_ | schme: believe what you will. you're still wrong |
| 15:50.08 | goki____ | hm, why am I talking to my own nick? :) |
| 15:50.08 | schme | wols_: That's what I said! |
| 15:50.19 | cjari | joelR haha |
| 15:50.24 | jelly | CrazednDazed: what release are you using? |
| 15:50.25 | abrotman | stew: i just remember a long time ago when the gizmo project came out .. they said it'd be open source (i think his blog stated this) .. and i've seen nothing since |
| 15:50.28 | stew | JoelR: yeah, it must be, or there must be a bridge in between |
| 15:50.49 | stew | abrotman: i don't see him |
| 15:50.54 | CrazednDazed | Linux debian 2.6.17-2-486 it was the netinst cd, from the site |
| 15:50.55 | JoelR | stew: i don't know.. i don't manage that addresses |
| 15:50.56 | stew | abrotman: did you check db.d.o for an ircname? |
| 15:51.00 | abrotman | http://www.burtonini.com/blog/2005/Sep/14 |
| 15:51.00 | JoelR | cjari, ? |
| 15:51.00 | CrazednDazed | very basic, you just apt-get what you want. |
| 15:51.21 | CrazednDazed | didn't come with a gui or anything |
| 15:51.23 | abrotman | irc Nickname: ross |
| 15:51.24 | rgsteele | CrazednDazed: What does your /etc/apt/sources.list contain |
| 15:51.36 | stew | JoelR: well since .4 and .6 return pings with 204.44.145.18 as the last hop, but .5 doesn't, then either 200.44.145.18 is configured to drop the pings or the firewall itself is, i'd guess the firewall itself |
| 15:51.36 | rgsteele | CrazednDazed: E.g., unstable, stable, etc |
| 15:51.43 | jelly | CrazednDazed: I mean, what Debian release, stable, testing...? |
| 15:51.45 | cjari | JoelR I don't know for sure why you said vim, I thought it was a code editor? |
| 15:51.55 | wols_ | CrazednDazed: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ for mplayer |
| 15:52.05 | CrazednDazed | jelly: I think it is stable |
| 15:52.13 | JoelR | cjari: you have a doc in dos format which wants to convert to UNIX format? |
| 15:52.19 | wols_ | jelly: since there can't be a 2.6.17 sarge installer and there is no sid installer, this only leaves testing |
| 15:52.28 | CrazednDazed | ftp.debian.org, other things .debian.org, and then // testing main contrib non-free |
| 15:52.33 | CrazednDazed | maybe 4 of those site |
| 15:52.34 | CrazednDazed | s |
| 15:52.41 | JoelR | stew: before FW is router than is 150.187.110.1 |
| 15:52.41 | rgsteele | wols_: backports.org has one, and it could've been hand-rolled |
| 15:52.42 | CrazednDazed | it's worked fine for everything from gnome to kaffeine |
| 15:52.43 | jelly | CrazednDazed: testing it is. |
| 15:52.54 | CrazednDazed | but lately I can't seem to get anything at all installed |
| 15:52.58 | goki____ | So is there no standard way of getting debian to start up with only serial terminals? |
| 15:53.05 | wols_ | rgsteele: look how much CrazednDazed knows about debian, or rather doesn't know. then think again |
| 15:53.18 | rgsteele | wols_: I was just playing the devil's advocate ;) |
| 15:53.38 | enouf | throws a fat minion on top of the devil |
| 15:53.39 | wols_ | goki____: edit /etc/inittab |
| 15:53.45 | CrazednDazed | all I know, apt-get stopped goin' |
| 15:53.48 | goki____ | wols_: ah thanks I'll try that |
| 15:53.53 | jelly | wols_: You're right, however I think I saw installers with newer kernels. |
| 15:54.14 | wols_ | jelly: well yes, but not really from debian.org. and they're of course unofficial |
| 15:54.40 | wols_ | CrazednDazed: you get error messages. which ones? |
| 15:54.51 | jelly | wols_: of course |
| 15:54.55 | stew | JoelR: which direction is before? the internet side or the trusted side? |
| 15:55.02 | CrazednDazed | Unmet Dependencies |
| 15:55.03 | cjari | JoelR yes, a few files, perhaps a pattern full of files I am not sure because I dont know how dos2unix works |
| 15:55.23 | JoelR | stew: trusted site |
| 15:55.39 | CrazednDazed | I"m going with apt-get update right now, haven't done it in a while. |
| 15:55.44 | jelly | CrazednDazed: paste the whole output from apt-get, aptitude or wahtever you're using into a pastebin. While you're at it, paste your sources.list too. |
| 15:55.59 | enouf | trident submarine? that'd be a neat trick |
| 15:56.00 | CrazednDazed | pastebin ey? |
| 15:56.08 | stew | JoelR: and what is the problem that we are trying to diagnose? |
| 15:56.08 | JoelR | cjari: well you can change it with vim, one option that is "ff" if i'm not wrong.. |
| 15:56.08 | jelly | yup |
| 15:56.15 | CrazednDazed | jelly: not familiar with one of those |
| 15:56.24 | CrazednDazed | you want a .txt or a private window or somethin'? |
| 15:56.33 | JoelR | stew: that WHY 150.187.110.5 isn't accesible from internet |
| 15:56.36 | wols_ | !tell CrazednDazed about paster |
| 15:56.36 | cjari | JoelR ok thanks, it's just that I dont know all the files to change... |
| 15:56.37 | jelly | CrazednDazed: /msg dpkg paster |
| 15:57.15 | jelly | CrazednDazed: but I suspect apt-get update will be enough to get amarok & mplayer installed. |
| 15:57.21 | stew | JoelR: well that has nothing to do with anything on the trusted side. as i already told you, either 150.187.110.5 is dropping the ping packets or 204.44.145.18 is |
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| 15:57.44 | jelly | Still, mplayer packages from debian are a bit broken... I think Marillat's are still better. |
| 15:58.00 | CrazednDazed | wow, too bad, that stuff looks fancy |
| 15:58.05 | CrazednDazed | apt-get update did the trick though. |
| 15:58.24 | stew | JoelR: can you show us "iptables -L -n" from the firewall? |
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| 15:58.49 | JoelR | stew: yes, it has all chains empty |
| 15:59.03 | jelly | !tell CrazednDazed about marillat |
| 15:59.06 | JoelR | stew: (input, output and forward) |
| 15:59.09 | stew | JoelR: what are the default policies? |
| 15:59.17 | JoelR | stew: accept |
| 15:59.19 | goki____ | wols_: nothing in /etc/inittab that I can see |
| 15:59.25 | stew | JoelR: uhh, doesn't sound like much of a firewall |
| 15:59.35 | goki____ | something somewhere must cause a framebuffer to start, with a console on it |
| 15:59.39 | JoelR | stew: i know hehe, i'm building it from scratch :) |
| 15:59.48 | goki____ | I really need to find that and stop it, but no one seems to know where it is :( |
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| 15:59.56 | JoelR | stew: i flushed all rules to diagnose why i can't reach it.. |
| 16:00.01 | jelly | CrazednDazed: also, skype beta packages are more usable than the release (which works only with OSS drivers or OSS compat.layer) |
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| 16:01.22 | stew | JoelR: what does "cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all" say? |
| 16:01.46 | JoelR | stew: 0 |
| 16:02.13 | stew | JoelR: are there rules in "iptables -t nat -L -n"? |
| 16:02.32 | CrazednDazed | debian is better than fedora, though |
| 16:02.33 | JoelR | stew: yes, masquerading my LAN to inet |
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| 16:02.57 | CrazednDazed | although gnome gets laggy and the autohide menus stop autohiding after about 11 days. |
| 16:03.24 | stew | JoelR: who setup the rules? you, by hand? or some script from some firewall package? |
| 16:03.27 | CrazednDazed | That's probably a ram issue, right? |
| 16:03.37 | JoelR | stew: my by hand |
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| 16:03.41 | stew | CrazednDazed: /msg dpkg am i swapping |
| 16:03.47 | Gathond | CrazednDazed: ram issue? |
| 16:03.50 | jelly | CrazednDazed: that's a buggy software issue |
| 16:04.08 | CrazednDazed | hmm |
| 16:04.11 | stew | JoelR: can you tcpdump the public if then ping from the outside and see if you see the ping coming in? |
| 16:04.12 | CrazednDazed | Fedora |
| 16:04.14 | CrazednDazed | doesn't usually do that |
| 16:04.15 | Gathond | CrazednDazed: I would say buggy software as well, is it 11 days of constant running, or just 11 days? |
| 16:04.23 | CrazednDazed | 11 dayts of uptime |
| 16:04.25 | CrazednDazed | with gnome up as well |
| 16:04.34 | stew | CrazednDazed: is it happening now? |
| 16:04.35 | CrazednDazed | and the menus will stop hiding, but everything still works great. |
| 16:04.37 | CrazednDazed | Yes. |
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| 16:05.11 | stew | CrazednDazed: what does "free | sed -n 3p" say? |
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| 16:05.36 | CrazednDazed | -/+ buffers/cache: 394592 641244 |
| 16:05.49 | stew | CrazednDazed: its not ram then |
| 16:05.51 | CrazednDazed | It's a purty nice machine |
| 16:06.16 | CrazednDazed | and I'm pretty sure I'm swapping |
| 16:06.23 | CrazednDazed | must be a gnome-debian clash |
| 16:07.14 | stew | CrazednDazed: you sholdn't be, you have tons of free ram, run "vmstat 1" ignore the first line, tell me if you see anything other than 0 in the si and so columns |
| 16:07.25 | stew | CrazednDazed: actually don't ignore the first line |
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| 16:07.47 | CrazednDazed | 0's so far |
| 16:07.53 | stew | CrazednDazed: then you aren't swapping |
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| 16:08.10 | CrazednDazed | dramatic |
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| 16:08.13 | stew | CrazednDazed: (and since you have 600mb of free ram, we woulnd't expect you to be swapping) |
| 16:08.27 | CrazednDazed | makes sense as well |
| 16:08.33 | CrazednDazed | Weird how it does that. |
| 16:08.39 | rgsteele | Hm, ok...I think I'm missing something simple here. I'm mounting a system via NFS on two boxes. On the first box, I can mount the NFS partition fine. However, on the second box, I keep getting "mount: RPC: Remote system error - No route to host". They're both on the same subnet, and the nfs-kernel-server running on the box that is sharing its partition is exporting that filesystem to the... |
| 16:08.40 | rgsteele | ...whole subnet. All three boxes are behind the same firewall, and I can confirm that's not the issue. |
| 16:08.46 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: Is there a problem w/ your swap or something? |
| 16:08.47 | JoelR | stew: since i'm inside the network, could you ping it please? |
| 16:08.59 | stew | JoelR: the .5? |
| 16:09.09 | JoelR | stew: yes please |
| 16:09.14 | stew | JoelR: has anything changed? |
| 16:09.16 | stew | JoelR: |
| 16:09.16 | Flimzy_ | rgsteele: can you ping the nfs server from the client that's broken? |
| 16:09.23 | CrazednDazed | Flimzy_: after about 11 days of uptime, with gnome & debian both constantly running, the gnome autohide menus stop auto hiding |
| 16:09.27 | rgsteele | Flimzy_: Yeah |
| 16:09.28 | JoelR | stew: uh? no, why? |
| 16:09.37 | Flimzy_ | rgsteele: Is RPC running on the broken client? |
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| 16:09.55 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: Weird. doesn't sound like a swap/memory issue, tho |
| 16:10.11 | CrazednDazed | yeh, I dunno. |
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| 16:10.26 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: Sounds more like a gnome bug. Perhaps a memory leak |
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| 16:10.27 | stew | JoelR: it looks the same as last time. the last host i reach is 200.44.145.18 |
| 16:10.39 | JoelR | stew: are you still pinging it? |
| 16:10.48 | lefti | hi, can i use something like dpkg -S but for search in not-installed packages? |
| 16:10.49 | CrazednDazed | should I report it somewhere? |
| 16:10.53 | stew | JoelR: yes |
| 16:10.58 | stew | JoelR: oh you are tracerouting |
| 16:11.04 | JoelR | stew: ok, please stop it to see something.. |
| 16:11.04 | stew | err tcpdumping |
| 16:11.06 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: I would check bugs.debian.org first to see if someone else has already reported it. If not, then file a bug report. |
| 16:11.10 | jelly | lefti: apt-file |
| 16:11.11 | stew | JoelR: stopped |
| 16:11.14 | JoelR | stew: well, in fact with iptraf |
| 16:11.32 | rgsteele | Flimzy_: Doublechecking, sec |
| 16:11.37 | JoelR | stew: ok, there there are your icmp packets.. |
| 16:11.43 | jelly | !tell lefti -about search |
| 16:11.44 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: Worst that could happen is that they would determine it's not a bug in gnome (or whatever specific application) and cancel the bug report |
| 16:11.58 | CrazednDazed | yeh, could just be I need a restart |
| 16:12.04 | stew | JoelR: can you ping out from the firewall? |
| 16:12.13 | CrazednDazed | Can't say I haven't made Any system changes in the last 2 weeks that would affect this. |
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| 16:12.26 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: If you need to restart to fix a problem like that, it's a bug. |
| 16:12.41 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: Contrary to what Microsoft would have you believe. |
| 16:12.42 | CrazednDazed | Flimzy_: It might be if it starts after 11 days again |
| 16:12.48 | lefti | thank you |
| 16:12.57 | Gathond | CrazednDazed: that it even happens is a bug |
| 16:13.00 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: If it's just a one-time thing, then it's anybody's guess. |
| 16:13.05 | JoelR | stew: yes |
| 16:13.21 | Flimzy_ | CrazednDazed: Could be anything from a broken upgrade to an intermetent hardware problem |
| 16:13.25 | CrazednDazed | Yeh, it could be a one time thing, that's what I mean. I haven't restarted Yet. |
| 16:13.26 | Gathond | CrazednDazed: although probably not a very important one if its rare and random |
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| 16:13.43 | rgsteele | Flimzy_: Yup |
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| 16:13.53 | Flimzy_ | rgsteele: Can you ping the nfs server by IP *and* hostname? |
| 16:14.35 | rgsteele | Ah, weird. I can ping it by host.domain.com, but not by host...even though the resolv.conf is set to search domain.com |
| 16:14.53 | Flimzy_ | rgsteele: check your hosts file. |
| 16:15.10 | Flimzy_ | rgsteele: and check that DNS works. |
| 16:15.12 | rgsteele | Flimzy_: There we go |
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| 16:15.18 | rgsteele | The entry in the hosts file is incorrect |
| 16:15.20 | rgsteele | Thanks a bunch! |
| 16:15.22 | Flimzy_ | rgsteele: :) |
| 16:15.26 | rgsteele | So glad it's Friday |
| 16:15.28 | rgsteele | haha |
| 16:15.30 | rgsteele | :) |
| 16:15.31 | Flimzy_ | yeah, I hear ya |
| 16:15.34 | Flimzy_ | can't wait to go home for 2 days |
| 16:16.00 | rgsteele | Yup, Saturday morning + hot apple cider + fire in the fireplace = bliss. |
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| 16:18.04 | pantalaimon_ | how can i discover the sound card driver name? |
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| 16:18.25 | rgsteele | Flimzy_: Hm, do I have to do anything after editing the hosts file to get it to pick up the new values? |
| 16:18.33 | rgsteele | I didn't think I would, but... |
| 16:18.43 | JoelR | stew: what do u think? :( |
| 16:19.29 | jelly | !which driver for 0400 |
| 16:19.36 | jelly | hmm |
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| 16:20.04 | jelly | pantalaimon_: try the last url in /msg dpkg hcl |
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| 16:20.33 | enigmaa | Hi, i know this is a very basic question, but.. how do i open a port on my server? |
| 16:20.44 | ofer0 | enigmaa, in iptables? |
| 16:20.45 | petemc | enigmaa: run a service on it |
| 16:20.48 | karsten | enigmaa: Run a service on it. |
| 16:21.04 | stew | JoelR: well we know it is reachable with icmp (you see my pings). we know it can send icmp out (it can ping) and receive icmp (it can receive replies to ping), the only thing we don't know is why someone pinging it doesn't receive icmp replies. can you tcpdump while i ping and see if you see a reply going out? |
| 16:21.07 | enigmaa | well, the service is running, but the port is being blocked. |
| 16:21.13 | enigmaa | I gotta take a look at iptables. |
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| 16:21.18 | enigmaa | But im kinda rusty. |
| 16:21.23 | enigmaa | Dont quite remember how to. |
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| 16:22.13 | petemc | enigmaa: if you didnt configure iptables to block it, it shouldnt be, how did you confirm the service is listening? |
| 16:22.16 | jharrisonwk | anyone using pci-express x1 network cards? |
| 16:22.40 | JoelR | stew: i see them coming.. but there's no output for them |
| 16:22.41 | enigmaa | petemc Well, its an eggdrop. And when i try to DCC to it, it wont work. It worked before but not anymore |
| 16:22.47 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: You're probably better off just stating your real question |
| 16:22.48 | rgsteele | !ask |
| 16:22.49 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:22.50 | JoelR | they are not leaving, that's why ping are not responding.. |
| 16:22.51 | enigmaa | something is blocking it |
| 16:23.22 | petemc | enigmaa: can you telnet to 6667 or whatever port its running on? |
| 16:23.36 | stew | JoelR: so your machine is ignoring them |
| 16:23.42 | rgsteele | Flimzy_: I got it to work...was broken on the machine exporting the filesystem as well. |
| 16:23.43 | enigmaa | petemc let me try that. |
| 16:23.49 | JoelR | stew: yes.. |
| 16:23.51 | PaSurf | how do I specify certain modules(?) to be loaded in the kernel on a fresh stock debian sarge install. |
| 16:24.12 | JoelR | stew: Umm.. couldn't it be that some special table of iptables be blocking them? |
| 16:24.25 | jharrisonwk | rgsteele: thanks I have never used IRC before or been in this channel before |
| 16:24.37 | rgsteele | jharrisonwk: Sure thing :) |
| 16:24.58 | rgsteele | !beer jharrisonwk |
| 16:25.02 | stew | JoelR: the 4 tables are filter, nat, mangle, raw ; check all 4 |
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| 16:25.15 | rgsteele | There there, it'll be okay |
| 16:25.40 | stew | JoelR: but i'd only expect to see the problem in filter (the default table), otherwise i'd suspect some /proc/sys setting, so i'd check /etc/sysctl.conf, /etc/network/options |
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| 16:26.15 | jharrisonwk | I guess I deserve it for not being in #debian as much as I used to be |
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| 16:27.22 | bathat | does anyone here know what could be causing the error 'bad gzip magic numbers' during boot? |
| 16:27.33 | bathat | right after the kernel is decompressed |
| 16:28.19 | PaSurf | how do I specify certain modules(?) to be loaded in the kernel on a fresh stock debian sarge install. |
| 16:28.19 | pickcoder | bathat: bad kernel image? |
| 16:28.32 | bathat | it's kernel 2.6.19 custom |
| 16:28.43 | bathat | the debian kernel works great |
| 16:29.13 | PaSurf | bathat: I heard there might still be issues with 19. Might want to check #kernel though |
| 16:29.19 | jharrisonwk | bathat: something about your kernel image is corrupted |
| 16:29.28 | bathat | hmm, really |
| 16:29.32 | bathat | ok thanks |
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| 16:29.40 | PaSurf | bathat: I am actually having trouble with 18.5 now.... |
| 16:29.45 | bathat | if i use all the config default, it's unable to mount my hdd |
| 16:29.53 | bathat | pivot_root |
| 16:30.04 | jharrisonwk | bathat: how did you compile it? |
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| 16:30.12 | Plouj | hi |
| 16:30.17 | pickcoder | bathat: that could be an initrd problem or a gzip compression problem |
| 16:30.28 | bathat | that's what i was thinking |
| 16:30.28 | Plouj | I have just installed debian 3.1 with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 16:30.44 | Plouj | how can I install a stable 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:30.47 | fsancho | hi all |
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| 16:30.54 | rgsteele | Plouj: boot with the option "linux26" |
| 16:30.57 | bathat | unpacking initramfs... <0> kernel panic - not syncing: bad gzip magic numbers |
| 16:30.59 | jelly | bathat: where's your root device, a PATA disk on an Intel controller? It might have changed to sdX |
| 16:31.07 | fsancho | i'm having problems with zd1211rw and linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 16:31.22 | pickcoder | bathat: try uncompressing a copy of the kernel image |
| 16:31.24 | bathat | i'd like to use the config file i've fine-tuned |
| 16:31.25 | fsancho | i am unable to load zd1211rw with echi |
| 16:31.31 | rgsteele | Plouj: If you've just installed, and you're not familiar with Debian, I'd suggest just reinstalling with the linux26 boot option |
| 16:31.33 | jharrisonwk | Plouj: what hardware? |
| 16:31.34 | Plouj | rgsteele: I don't even see any 2.6 kernels in the /boot dir |
| 16:31.42 | bathat | i don't have a kernel image of it |
| 16:31.48 | fsancho | but if i unload ehci and load ohci, zd1211rw loads ok, but only with usb 1.1 |
| 16:31.51 | JoelR | stew: ok all those tables are empty.. my /etc/sysctl.conf only have: net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 (for doing NAT) and my /etc/network/options file has: ip_forward_=yes spoofprotect=yes and syncookies=no |
| 16:31.52 | bathat | should i try using make-kpkg? |
| 16:31.57 | Plouj | jharrisonwk: 386 |
| 16:32.02 | jharrisonwk | you guys are really going to make him re-isntall? |
| 16:32.07 | PaSurf | Plouj: http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21 |
| 16:32.08 | fsancho | anyone using zd1211rw here? |
| 16:32.09 | Plouj | rgsteele: where do I select to install a 2.6 kernel in the installer? |
| 16:32.11 | rgsteele | Plouj: Because you didn't specify it to use a 2.6 kernel |
| 16:32.13 | jharrisonwk | Plouj: what cpu? |
| 16:32.22 | jharrisonwk | Plouj: 686? |
| 16:32.28 | Plouj | Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz |
| 16:32.37 | rgsteele | Plouj: If you're installing from cd, type in "linux26" |
| 16:32.44 | Plouj | oh |
| 16:32.45 | rgsteele | When it asks for boot options |
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| 16:32.51 | jharrisonwk | Plouj: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 should do it |
| 16:33.01 | pickcoder | Plouj: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 16:33.06 | jharrisonwk | Plouj: or re-install |
| 16:33.08 | Plouj | tht's better |
| 16:33.09 | jharrisonwk | Plouj: your choice |
| 16:33.13 | Plouj | I don't want to re-install |
| 16:33.14 | pickcoder | find a kernel that fits your CPU best |
| 16:33.18 | Plouj | thanks |
| 16:33.23 | jharrisonwk | Plouj: then thanks be for apt-get |
| 16:33.28 | PaSurf | How do you add additional modules to the stock kernel (I need to add support for my external raid array) |
| 16:33.33 | bathat | alright, i'm trying make-kpkg kernel_image |
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| 16:33.46 | jharrisonwk | bathat: ah |
| 16:33.57 | bathat | i've never had much success with custom kernels |
| 16:33.59 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Get the latest kernel source, then copy your existing boot image to that directory (name it .config) |
| 16:34.00 | jharrisonwk | bathat: on sarge or etch or sid? |
| 16:34.10 | bathat | the only way i got 2.6.18.1 to work is by using the config file for the debian kernel |
| 16:34.13 | bathat | etch |
| 16:34.15 | jharrisonwk | bathat: you just needt o learn how to compile |
| 16:34.17 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Then do a "make oldconfig" followed by a "make menufconfig" |
| 16:34.19 | jharrisonwk | bathat: hang on |
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| 16:34.37 | bathat | i know how to compile |
| 16:34.41 | PaSurf | rgsteele: I am having alot of problems with the newer kernels. I have both machines running 18.5 and now they both will not load |
| 16:34.47 | PaSurf | *shruggs* |
| 16:34.49 | bathat | make-kpkg failed with make: *** [sanity_check] Error 2 |
| 16:34.55 | rgsteele | 18.5? That is not a kernel version. |
| 16:35.02 | jelly | rgsteele: 2.6.18.5 is |
| 16:35.03 | PaSurf | 2.6.18.5 |
| 16:35.06 | pickcoder | PaSurf: first, look in the packages listing and see if there's a module source already there |
| 16:35.10 | PaSurf | short hand |
| 16:35.25 | jharrisonwk | bathat: could be a kernel-package bug |
| 16:35.31 | jharrisonwk | bathat: im checking bug reports now |
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| 16:35.38 | bathat | alright, thanks |
| 16:35.56 | bathat | it's worked with previous kernels |
| 16:36.21 | PaSurf | for the current kernel I was having trouble with not loading in time. I think I talked to petemc(?) about compiling the kernel. but I just want to add a small module to the stock one. |
| 16:36.27 | rgsteele | PaSurf: pickcoder is probably right...I was thinking you wanted it built into the kernel, instead of just as a module. |
| 16:36.28 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I run 2.6.19 as well but dont use kernel-package |
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| 16:36.45 | bathat | yeah, i was going to try kernel-package a shot |
| 16:36.49 | bathat | but i dobut it would help |
| 16:37.01 | jharrisonwk | bathat: didnt you say you used make-kpkg? |
| 16:37.02 | bathat | where is the initramfs option? |
| 16:37.04 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Find out what the module is called and if you already have it available, just do a modprobe <modulename> |
| 16:37.07 | bathat | ye |
| 16:37.09 | bathat | yep |
| 16:37.14 | jharrisonwk | bathat: thats kernel-package |
| 16:37.15 | jelly | !cdrecord |
| 16:37.16 | pickcoder | PaSurf: if there isn't, then make sure that you have the latest kernel headers |
| 16:37.16 | dpkg | cdrecord is probably a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 16:37.18 | PaSurf | rgsteele: I do need it built into the kernel. If not it gets passed by and does not mount my externel scsi device |
| 16:37.22 | bathat | yeah, a part of it |
| 16:37.39 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Then, you need to get the latest kernel source from kernel.org |
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| 16:37.41 | PaSurf | how do I check for the latest kernel headers? |
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| 16:37.45 | jharrisonwk | bathat: what error was it again? |
| 16:37.48 | jelly | anyone knows what should be there as dev= in that cdrecord factiod? |
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| 16:37.59 | bathat | unpacking initramfs... <0> kernel panic - not syncing: bad gzip magic numbers |
| 16:38.11 | bathat | should be under file systems but i don't see it |
| 16:38.18 | pickcoder | PaSurf: initrd can load it as a module |
| 16:38.25 | PaSurf | so I cant add other modules to the latest Debian build or to the existing kernel off the module? |
| 16:38.25 | bathat | the ramdisk option |
| 16:38.28 | jharrisonwk | bathat: do you use initramfs? |
| 16:38.34 | rgsteele | pickcoder: I thought he said he wanted it built into the kernel? |
| 16:38.45 | pickcoder | rgsteele: then it will be a custom kernel |
| 16:38.45 | rgsteele | Not loaded as a module |
| 16:38.46 | bathat | not sure, i may have answered N to it accidentally |
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| 16:38.54 | pickcoder | rgsteele: and no one here will help later |
| 16:38.54 | rgsteele | pickcoder: aye |
| 16:39.17 | bathat | i've tried grepping for ram in .config but it turned up nothing |
| 16:39.18 | rgsteele | Yeah, I guess then he'd just want the headers to build the module from. |
| 16:39.19 | PaSurf | Talking to petemc we discovered it was not loading in time and it was recommeded that it be compiled in the kernel to avoid any other problems |
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| 16:39.43 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Well, then you're talking about rolling your own kernel. Which isn't a bad skill to have. |
| 16:39.49 | PaSurf | Problem is with the latest kernel I am having troubles. Two systems not not booting |
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| 16:40.05 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I hate initrd |
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| 16:40.15 | bathat | is there another way? |
| 16:40.15 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Do you have an existing kernel to build off of, or are you going from scratch? |
| 16:40.23 | jharrisonwk | bathat: yeah dont use initrd |
| 16:40.23 | PaSurf | I like rolling the kernel :) but... Well I guess I can get the kernell off kernel.org |
| 16:40.24 | bathat | it doesn't work without an initrd specified |
| 16:40.37 | abrotman | PaSurf: ask #kernel |
| 16:40.42 | pickcoder | PaSurf: you _did_ copy the current boot config to your kernel source .config , right? |
| 16:40.43 | bathat | how would i do that? |
| 16:40.54 | PaSurf | I have the latest Debian Sarge disk. And am going to install |
| 16:41.11 | PaSurf | oldconfig... then menuconfig |
| 16:41.21 | rgsteele | PaSurf: yup |
| 16:41.25 | PaSurf | yep |
| 16:41.32 | rgsteele | then you'll need to do a make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 16:41.44 | jharrisonwk | bathat: compile all support into your kernel |
| 16:41.49 | pickcoder | + --initrd if you're current setup uses initrd |
| 16:41.59 | bathat | oh, so no modules??? |
| 16:41.59 | pickcoder | s/you're/your |
| 16:42.00 | jharrisonwk | bathat: you have to configure your kernel to have the important stuff compiled in rather the modules |
| 16:42.03 | PaSurf | I have one dell and one HP and the dell went yesterday with the 18.5 and the HP last night with the same |
| 16:42.04 | jharrisonwk | bathat: yes |
| 16:42.09 | bathat | wow |
| 16:42.11 | PaSurf | maybe its me................. |
| 16:42.13 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Also, probably want to add an --append-to-version=-custom |
| 16:42.14 | bathat | not sure i want to do that |
| 16:42.19 | jharrisonwk | bathat: like partition, ide, sata controlers etc... compiled in rather then modules |
| 16:42.22 | jharrisonwk | bathat: why not? |
| 16:42.27 | bathat | oh i see |
| 16:42.29 | rgsteele | PaSurf: So you know it's not the stock kernel |
| 16:42.36 | bathat | would make the kernel much larger |
| 16:42.40 | bathat | that's a good idea |
| 16:42.45 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I compile kernels with only support for the machine hardware |
| 16:43.15 | jharrisonwk | bathat: my kernels end up being about 1 to 2 mb usually but they can boot on their own with no initrd |
| 16:43.29 | jharrisonwk | well hate is a strong word |
| 16:43.29 | rgsteele | bathat: jharrisonwk's advice is well-taken...it can really speed up boot times and such, as well as having other advantages. |
| 16:43.58 | jharrisonwk | bathat: if you have things that you may want support for you can make them modules |
| 16:44.05 | bathat | well, my boot time is extremely fast now anyway... a new system |
| 16:44.15 | abrotman | get off your fat ass and go get it |
| 16:44.16 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I tend to take things I dont use very often but I may want to use them from time to time and compile them as modules |
| 16:44.23 | bathat | so mainly just the device drivers? |
| 16:44.27 | rgsteele | abrotman: Somebody else already got off their fat ass to go get it :) |
| 16:44.38 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: hows the weather? |
| 16:44.43 | pickcoder | we're leaving here shortly to have a lunch xmas party |
| 16:44.45 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: are you frozen yet? |
| 16:44.45 | pickcoder | yay |
| 16:44.57 | rgsteele | pickcoder: Isn't it a bit early for that? :) |
| 16:45.08 | pickcoder | early? |
| 16:45.12 | bathat | i'm checking to see how the debian config file looks for hdd support |
| 16:45.17 | rgsteele | It's only December 8th |
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| 16:45.31 | pickcoder | it was going to be the Firday before Xmas and everyone was on travel |
| 16:45.39 | rgsteele | Ah |
| 16:45.42 | pickcoder | so they moved it to the only date/time available |
| 16:45.56 | PaSurf | right. I would like to just use the stock kernel. Seems reasonable. would using the module-assistant help? |
| 16:45.56 | rgsteele | pickcoder: Off-site party? |
| 16:46.03 | pickcoder | I don't mind leaving for lunch and then going home |
| 16:46.06 | pickcoder | rgsteele: yah |
| 16:46.10 | bathat | well, thanks for the help |
| 16:46.14 | pickcoder | river-front rest. |
| 16:46.15 | bathat | i'm thinking this will work better |
| 16:46.18 | rgsteele | pickcoder: Sweet |
| 16:46.30 | bathat | will probably just ask here again if it doesn't |
| 16:46.55 | bathat | one last thing, while i'm thinking about it |
| 16:47.06 | bathat | if i try make xconfig, i just get: Unable to find the QT installation. |
| 16:47.10 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Well, if the stock kernel doesn't have support for what you want, and adding it as a kernel module isn't working, you'll have to customize it and build the support right in. |
| 16:47.13 | pickcoder | I don't think there'll be beer and wine, though.. too early |
| 16:47.17 | jharrisonwk | bathat: you can make-kpkg just the same as before |
| 16:47.31 | bathat | make menuconfig is just as good but xconfig used to work |
| 16:47.32 | jharrisonwk | bathat: likely you are missing libs for xconfig |
| 16:47.42 | rgsteele | pickcoder: It's still a for-all-intents-and-purposes half day of work :) |
| 16:47.57 | junix|work | anyone used autofs ??? |
| 16:48.07 | bathat | hmm |
| 16:48.09 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I dont use xconfig so I am not sure which libs you would need |
| 16:48.22 | jharrisonwk | bathat: from what you said though looks like you need some qt packages |
| 16:48.27 | rgsteele | junix|work: Nope. All reiserfs and ext3 |
| 16:48.30 | bathat | yeah |
| 16:48.49 | bathat | ok, thanks |
| 16:48.53 | bathat | that gives me some direction |
| 16:49.05 | jharrisonwk | bathat: you probably might need a -dev package to by the way |
| 16:49.11 | junix|work | i am trying to follow a howtoforge document that tells me how to setup autofs for windows share accessiblity, but don't understand the mountopt option that i have to have, the website is http://www.howtoforge.com/accessing_windows_or_samba_shares_using_autofs |
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| 16:49.19 | jharrisonwk | bathat: for example for make menuconfig to work you need libncurses5-dev |
| 16:49.29 | bathat | oh yeah, i see |
| 16:49.33 | jharrisonwk | bathat: you may have the qt libs you need installed but not the -dev package |
| 16:49.41 | cydork | !xconfig |
| 16:49.41 | dpkg | it has been said that xconfig is for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-mt-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 16:49.54 | jharrisonwk | cydork: figures |
| 16:50.06 | jharrisonwk | bathat: as dpkg points out you need libqt-dev |
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| 16:50.16 | jharrisonwk | bathat: sorry libqt3-mt-dev it seems |
| 16:50.24 | bathat | yeah, i saw, thanks jharrisonwk and cydork |
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| 16:50.41 | jharrisonwk | bathat: no problem |
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| 16:51.34 | PaSurf | rgsteele: Ok sounds reasonable to me... I'm off to kernel.org |
| 16:51.42 | PaSurf | Thanks all the for help!! |
| 16:51.57 | rgsteele | PaSurf: Sure thing |
| 16:52.00 | jharrisonwk | PaSurf: dont forget how initrd sucks |
| 16:52.04 | jharrisonwk | ;) |
| 16:52.07 | bathat | ah, most excellent, that did it |
| 16:52.15 | PaSurf | I'll try not to let it get me down... :) |
| 16:52.23 | bathat | i probably won't even use xconfig but it's still nice to have |
| 16:52.34 | PaSurf | seeing how the day is just begining... |
| 16:52.35 | jharrisonwk | bathat: nice to have options |
| 16:52.38 | bathat | and is easier to navigate |
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| 16:53.00 | jharrisonwk | bathat: make menuconfig is nice if you have no gui |
| 16:53.06 | jharrisonwk | bathat: mostly I never have a gui |
| 16:53.07 | bathat | yep |
| 16:53.18 | bathat | and is also faster |
| 16:53.19 | jharrisonwk | except for ncurses that is |
| 16:53.22 | jharrisonwk | yeah |
| 16:53.36 | bathat | but i've read the difference is speed is small with 2.6 compared to 2.4 |
| 16:53.49 | bathat | there's always something nice about ncurses |
| 16:53.58 | jharrisonwk | 2.6 has all the nice new features though |
| 16:54.08 | jharrisonwk | sata is a big reason for 2.6 |
| 16:54.15 | bathat | i was confined to 2.4 for a long time |
| 16:54.17 | jelly | curses is not a gui |
| 16:54.23 | bathat | no hardware acceleration |
| 16:54.25 | Ronin | guiish |
| 16:54.27 | jelly | to be pedantic |
| 16:54.28 | jharrisonwk | proably the biggest reason that drives people to use 2.6 instead of 2.4 |
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| 16:54.36 | pickcoder | 2.6.18 will have the VIA chipset drive in it, which will fix a lot of install issues for newer boards |
| 16:54.39 | bathat | but now i've finally got 2.6 working as of a few months ago |
| 16:54.42 | jharrisonwk | jelly: to me it is |
| 16:54.43 | pickcoder | ~driver |
| 16:54.53 | apt | [driver] A driver is software that works to communicate between an operating system and a peripheral. Think of it as a translator. If you use a crappy driver, your OS won't understand your video card and may become unstable and crash. Hardware manufacturers constantly update drivers to make them faster and more stable. |
| 16:54.53 | jharrisonwk | jelly: but technically no |
| 16:55.06 | jelly | jharrisonwk: gotta have graphics for a graphic user interface |
| 16:55.16 | jharrisonwk | jelly: whateva |
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| 16:55.37 | jharrisonwk | jelly: ascii graphics are nice |
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| 16:55.56 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:56.02 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 16:56.04 | pickcoder | GUI.. the mouse only slows down productive work |
| 16:56.04 | jelly | hammertime |
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| 16:56.28 | jharrisonwk | pickcoder: there is gdm or something |
| 16:56.35 | petemc | gpm |
| 16:56.38 | jharrisonwk | gpm |
| 16:56.38 | jharrisonwk | yeah |
| 16:56.40 | jharrisonwk | thats it |
| 16:56.40 | jelly | ratpoison |
| 16:56.44 | pickcoder | what is gpm? |
| 16:56.48 | jharrisonwk | gdm is gnome display manager |
| 16:56.52 | jharrisonwk | pickcoder: mouse in console |
| 16:56.55 | wols_ | pickcoder: apt-cache knows |
| 16:57.02 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:57.06 | wols_ | and we're too lazy to tell you |
| 16:57.13 | jharrisonwk | pickcoder: apt-cache show gpm |
| 16:57.13 | pickcoder | :) |
| 16:57.43 | pickcoder | I've been looking for that for a while |
| 16:57.44 | pickcoder | grr |
| 16:57.59 | jharrisonwk | from the network cards I see that are pci express I would not buy them |
| 16:58.11 | jharrisonwk | dont like dlink and dont like intel or any of the others |
| 16:58.13 | jharrisonwk | ah well |
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| 16:58.31 | pickcoder | jharrisonwk: looking for a specific feature? |
| 16:59.05 | jharrisonwk | pickcoder: buying am2 motherboard which has more x1 pci express slots then pci so figured it might be time to migrate |
| 16:59.12 | Plouj | yay for 2.6 kernel! |
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| 16:59.15 | jharrisonwk | pickcoder: pci express is suppose to be faster too |
| 16:59.44 | bathat | that should do the trick... hopefully |
| 17:00.04 | jharrisonwk | I need at least 3 network cards in the machine |
| 17:00.16 | maxxle_ | I want to 'wget' all files in http://www.example.com/example/*. I tried the -r option. But then I get everything from the domain. |
| 17:00.28 | bathat | it actually says, too, that if your / fs is on such and such a drive, compile it into the kernel |
| 17:00.33 | pickcoder | jharrisonwk: you can easily saturate a 100MB link with a decent 64-bit sata controller |
| 17:00.46 | bathat | which took me a long time to notice the first time around and i must have forgotten about it |
| 17:00.46 | pickcoder | jharrisonwk: PCI-E isn't going to help with bandwidth unless you go 1GB |
| 17:00.53 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: you have to tell wget to chop off the http://www.example.com/example/ part |
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| 17:01.19 | jharrisonwk | pickcoder: I have gigabit network |
| 17:01.31 | maxxle_ | jharrisonwk: How can I tell this my wget? |
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| 17:01.44 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: hang on let me look at my mirroring script |
| 17:01.49 | maxxle_ | thx |
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| 17:02.20 | whaq | hello. how do you find out the chipset information from console? (Intel 915G, 855GME, etc) |
| 17:02.32 | moshii | whaq: lspci |
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| 17:02.42 | cydork | whaq: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 17:03.00 | whaq | moshii, thanks |
| 17:03.03 | whaq | cydork thanks |
| 17:03.23 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: are you mirroing the site? |
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| 17:03.36 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: is that what you want to do? |
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| 17:05.41 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: ? |
| 17:06.36 | maxxle_ | jharrisonwk: No i won't mirror it - sorry |
| 17:06.58 | maxxle_ | I only want to get all files in the direktory 'test' from http://www.example.org/test |
| 17:08.12 | moshii | maxxle_: wget -m url isn't it? |
| 17:08.55 | bathat | oh no, the debian kernel also has scsi disk support compiled as a module and it works |
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| 17:09.20 | maxxle_ | If i do '-m' or '-r' i get the files from the root too. But i only want to download the files in one directory |
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| 17:10.11 | dylix | how can i start things simutaneously and route the output to /dev/null? [[[ su -l -c "startx -- :0" dylix &>/dev/null ]]] doesnt launch into the background |
| 17:10.19 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: you want the --cut-dirs=number I think |
| 17:10.33 | maxxle_ | jharrisonwk: I will have a try. |
| 17:10.45 | pickcoder | &1>/dev/null |
| 17:11.16 | dylix | ahh |
| 17:11.18 | dylix | thanks |
| 17:11.19 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: maybe -nH as well |
| 17:11.38 | dylix | how's the &1 make a difference? |
| 17:11.41 | jharrisonwk | maxxle_: man wget for more information |
| 17:11.45 | dylix | ive seen &2 before i think |
| 17:11.51 | pickcoder | 1 is file handle 1 or stdout |
| 17:11.54 | pickcoder | 2 is file handle 2 or stderr |
| 17:12.00 | dylix | ah, cool |
| 17:12.02 | dylix | thanks |
| 17:12.11 | maxxle_ | hm... i will look in the manpage.... |
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| 17:13.15 | Iotix | hi guys how can i get with apt-get the public keys^? |
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| 17:14.33 | bathat | aha |
| 17:14.40 | Iotix | ehm well yes but i don't remember |
| 17:14.46 | bathat | i know i need support for sata_nv now |
| 17:14.48 | Iotix | the apt command |
| 17:15.00 | maxxle_ | I thought it is a common problem |
| 17:15.01 | bathat | which is under sata, as opposed to scsi, support |
| 17:15.25 | jharrisonwk | DoppleGanger: howdy |
| 17:15.57 | jharrisonwk | bathat: in 2.6.19 it changed |
| 17:15.58 | jamonation | anyone running mailman on etch having trouble with the check_perms script? |
| 17:16.04 | bathat | oh really |
| 17:16.05 | jharrisonwk | bathat: there is now sata section on its own |
| 17:16.10 | bathat | sata used to say deprecated |
| 17:16.14 | bathat | wow, neat |
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| 17:16.20 | jharrisonwk | bathat: yes before 2.6.19 it was under low level scsi section |
| 17:16.29 | bathat | that's likely my problem |
| 17:16.31 | Gnea | !tell Iotix about 2006 key |
| 17:16.34 | jharrisonwk | bathat: you have nvidia chipset? |
| 17:16.38 | bathat | i see |
| 17:16.42 | bathat | yep |
| 17:16.45 | bathat | i do now |
| 17:16.49 | jharrisonwk | bathat: how does it work? |
| 17:16.54 | jharrisonwk | bathat: what motherboard? |
| 17:17.04 | bathat | dfi lanparty ut nf4 sli-d :D |
| 17:17.12 | jharrisonwk | oh sweet |
| 17:17.18 | jharrisonwk | bathat: am2 ? |
| 17:17.19 | bathat | it most certainly is |
| 17:17.24 | bathat | nope, amd 3200+ |
| 17:17.30 | bathat | plenty fast enough for my purposes |
| 17:17.34 | jharrisonwk | bathat: althlon 64? |
| 17:17.38 | bathat | yep |
| 17:17.45 | jharrisonwk | bathat: 939 socket? |
| 17:17.51 | bathat | sure |
| 17:17.56 | jharrisonwk | bathat: sure? |
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| 17:18.04 | bathat | yeah, it sure is ;) |
| 17:18.07 | jharrisonwk | ah ok |
| 17:18.08 | JohnRobert | how do I find out what version of debian I'm using? |
| 17:18.17 | bathat | i made it sound like i didn't know |
| 17:18.46 | jharrisonwk | JohnRobert: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 17:18.46 | JohnRobert | ta |
| 17:18.46 | JohnRobert | john@halbox:~$ cat /etc/debian-version |
| 17:18.46 | JohnRobert | cat: /etc/debian-version: No such file or directory |
| 17:18.46 | JohnRobert | hmmz |
| 17:18.46 | jharrisonwk | bathat: no problems with nvidia chipset? |
| 17:18.47 | jharrisonwk | bathat: network card built in works etc...? |
| 17:18.47 | bathat | not with the debian kernel anyway |
| 17:18.54 | jharrisonwk | JohnRobert: sorry |
| 17:18.56 | JohnRobert | _ |
| 17:18.57 | JohnRobert | :) |
| 17:18.58 | bathat | no problems |
| 17:18.59 | craigevil | JohnRobert: try cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:19.01 | jharrisonwk | JohnRobert: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:19.06 | JohnRobert | 3.1 - is that sarge? |
| 17:19.09 | jharrisonwk | JohnRobert: yep |
| 17:19.10 | JohnRobert | ace |
| 17:19.12 | JohnRobert | cheers |
| 17:19.13 | jharrisonwk | bathat: sweet |
| 17:19.28 | bathat | i was stuck with a celeron a 733mhz for so long |
| 17:19.28 | jharrisonwk | bathat: im looking at am2 |
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| 17:19.40 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I want to use SVM |
| 17:19.40 | bathat | this is sooo much better, obviously |
| 17:19.43 | bathat | night and day |
| 17:19.46 | bathat | svm>? |
| 17:19.54 | jharrisonwk | bathat: secure virtual machine |
| 17:20.03 | jharrisonwk | bathat: run multiple OSs at machine speed |
| 17:20.08 | jharrisonwk | bathat: at the same time |
| 17:20.09 | jamonation | xen... |
| 17:20.14 | jharrisonwk | jamonation: right |
| 17:20.14 | bathat | hmm, not sure about that |
| 17:20.18 | jamonation | :) |
| 17:20.23 | bathat | it's like xen? |
| 17:20.30 | jharrisonwk | bathat: no xen uses SVM |
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| 17:20.43 | jharrisonwk | bathat: SVM is amd am2 built into the cpu |
| 17:20.44 | jamonation | uml is SVM too right? |
| 17:20.45 | JohnRobert | I'm using an svm from bytemark |
| 17:20.48 | bathat | i only have one hdd, which has one distro on it |
| 17:20.59 | JohnRobert | they use uml atm, but moving to xen. V good company btw |
| 17:21.00 | JohnRobert | :p |
| 17:21.08 | jamonation | I like quantact |
| 17:21.09 | bathat | well, that sounds very nice and convenient |
| 17:21.10 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I will install debian and xen kernel on am2 and then install whatever other OSs I want |
| 17:21.13 | JohnRobert | cheap as chips vm's on a decent conn |
| 17:21.17 | jamonation | they use both, you can pick which you want |
| 17:21.19 | jharrisonwk | bathat: then I will run them from the xen |
| 17:21.24 | JohnRobert | xen is elite |
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| 17:21.40 | bathat | if i still had windows, i could do that |
| 17:21.51 | jharrisonwk | bathat: so instead of having to reboot into freebsd for example I jsut run freebsd from within linux dom0 |
| 17:21.53 | bathat | although dual-core would definitely be advantageous then |
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| 17:22.05 | bathat | yeah, very cool |
| 17:22.17 | jamonation | ram is more an issue than cpu with xen I find |
| 17:22.54 | jharrisonwk | bathat: or I could have debian devleopment virtual machine running at the same time to test compiling a program without rebooting or messing up my main system etc... |
| 17:22.54 | jharrisonwk | jamonation: yes |
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| 17:22.54 | jharrisonwk | jamonation: need lots of ram |
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| 17:22.54 | jharrisonwk | more the better |
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| 17:22.54 | bathat | 1GB sufficient? |
| 17:23.02 | jharrisonwk | bathat: for 1 or 2 VM probably would be fine |
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| 17:23.14 | jharrisonwk | bathat: I would say at least 2GB is better though |
| 17:23.15 | bathat | yeah, that's all i'd need |
| 17:23.18 | jamonation | bathat: how many instances do you want? you can get xen virtual servers with 96mb of ram |
| 17:23.22 | bathat | wow |
| 17:23.29 | bathat | two |
| 17:23.38 | bathat | debian and windows, i guess |
| 17:24.37 | bathat | which copy of xen would i download... beta xenenterprise 3.1? |
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| 17:25.08 | jamonation | start with apt-cache search xen |
| 17:25.15 | JohnRobert | start with google |
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| 17:25.19 | jamonation | lol |
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| 17:26.07 | bdc34 | How can I find out how much swapping happend in the last 5min on a system? |
| 17:26.12 | jharrisonwk | dont kwo if I want to use debian built in xen |
| 17:26.16 | jharrisonwk | probably will patch myself |
| 17:26.23 | jharrisonwk | xen wont work with 2.6.19 though |
| 17:26.25 | jharrisonwk | sucks |
| 17:26.36 | bathat | i see the tarball on their site, alright |
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| 17:26.43 | bathat | had to scroll down |
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| 17:27.53 | bathat | now all i need is a reason to install it |
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| 17:28.26 | bathat | hmm, there's a 64-bit smp but no non-smp |
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| 17:29.06 | bathat | jharrisonwk: yeah, will only work on 2.6.16 it seems |
| 17:29.14 | jharrisonwk | bathat: not exactly |
| 17:29.20 | jharrisonwk | bathat: works with 2.6.18 I think |
| 17:29.31 | jharrisonwk | bathat: debian has 2.6.18 xen packages anyways |
| 17:29.58 | jharrisonwk | or maybe only 2.6.17 |
| 17:30.04 | jharrisonwk | I think 2.6.18 xen images are in sid though |
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| 17:30.22 | bathat | oh yeah, i see... xen-linux-system-2.6.17-2-xen-amd64 |
| 17:30.26 | bathat | that's cool |
| 17:30.35 | bathat | so it would run on my current kernel |
| 17:30.45 | h3sp4wn | My experience is the 2.6.18 packages from sid work alot better than the 2.6.17 ones in etch |
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| 17:31.17 | h3sp4wn | (I use etch with just the kernels from sid - reason being most of the patches are done by fedora and they released 2.6.18 with fedora 6) |
| 17:31.25 | h3sp4wn | had strange issues with 2.6.17 |
| 17:31.28 | phr0st_e | Just installed xorg on Etch, can't figure out what to change so that xwindows starts on boot |
| 17:31.29 | phr0st_e | I tried changing the line in /etc/inittab from id:2:initdefault: to id:5:initdefault: |
| 17:31.29 | phr0st_e | but it didn't work, but running startx as root brings it up just fine. and I'm using fluxbox as my wm...any ideas? |
| 17:32.04 | jharrisonwk | phr0st_e: dont mess with inittab |
| 17:32.10 | phr0st_e | ok... |
| 17:32.17 | jharrisonwk | phr0st_e: you need xdm or some other display manager |
| 17:32.30 | jharrisonwk | phr0st_e: it will start in runlevel 2 and give you the gui |
| 17:32.52 | bathat | weired |
| 17:32.54 | bathat | FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. |
| 17:32.54 | bathat | WARNING: This failure MAY indicate that your kernel will not boot! |
| 17:32.54 | bathat | but it can also be triggered by needed modules being compiled into |
| 17:32.54 | bathat | the kernel. |
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| 17:33.04 | bathat | oops sorry |
| 17:33.04 | jamonation | ouch |
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| 17:33.19 | phr0st_e | ok...found xdm (not installed)...is that the better option for a display manager? |
| 17:33.28 | jharrisonwk | bathat: any fatal module such and such not found is normal if they are built into the kernel |
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| 17:33.36 | cusco | its the most simple one |
| 17:33.37 | jharrisonwk | phr0st_e: you using gnome or kde? |
| 17:33.39 | bathat | alright, thx |
| 17:33.42 | anapivirtua | Meuh. |
| 17:33.46 | phr0st_e | neither...fluxbox |
| 17:33.50 | phr0st_e | it's pretty light |
| 17:33.51 | cusco | use xdm then |
| 17:33.57 | bathat | aren't i supposed to use a pastebot or something? |
| 17:33.59 | jharrisonwk | phr0st_e: you probably want a prettier display manager |
| 17:34.02 | phr0st_e | ok...will do...thanks! |
| 17:34.06 | jharrisonwk | phr0st_e: but xdm does the job |
| 17:34.10 | phr0st_e | ehh...fluxbox does what I need |
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| 17:34.20 | jamonation | display manager... eeew |
| 17:34.23 | cusco | !start a wm war |
| 17:34.23 | dpkg | fvwm95 blows goats! |
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| 17:34.30 | eps | real men use cli! |
| 17:34.33 | bathat | startx |
| 17:34.42 | dclarke | hello .. is there a way to boot the debian installer such that it runs in console/text only mode ? On ttya/serial console for example ? |
| 17:34.59 | eps | isnt that default? |
| 17:35.05 | rpc | hmm what should i enter when anonymous CVS asks me for a password on login? |
| 17:35.15 | rgsteele | cusco: Do I know you from somewhere? I used to have a guild member back when I played WoW named Cusco. |
| 17:35.20 | dclarke | it seems to want graphics |
| 17:35.22 | jharrisonwk | real men use ncurses gui |
| 17:35.39 | jamonation | dclarke: is this the beta etch installer? |
| 17:35.51 | dclarke | jamonation: yes Sir |
| 17:35.55 | cusco | rgsteele: Im not sure what WoW is but I heard about it. Im pretty sure I never played it tho :/ |
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| 17:36.08 | jamonation | it should start in text mode unless you specify installgui |
| 17:36.11 | rgsteele | cusco: Ah, okay. Probably not the same person then :) |
| 17:36.12 | jamonation | ... |
| 17:36.16 | jharrisonwk | jabber == sweetness |
| 17:36.17 | cusco | :p |
| 17:36.18 | dclarke | jamonation: I was just about to netboot the installed but wondered if there were options on the command line |
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| 17:36.51 | phr0st_e | hey...installing xdm worked like a champ...thanks again |
| 17:37.00 | dclarke | jamonation: I will remove the ATI graphics card here and then run with ttya/serial console only and see what happens |
| 17:38.13 | Web-Kanotix606 | HI , Which command can get the public keys with apt-get |
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| 17:38.37 | jharrisonwk | phr0st_e: no problemo |
| 17:38.45 | bathat | nope, still getting the same error |
| 17:39.01 | jharrisonwk | bathat: try not using make-kpkg |
| 17:39.07 | bathat | well, i would |
| 17:39.14 | bathat | but i've already tried and it doesn't work |
| 17:39.27 | rgsteele | Web-Kanotix606: Um, you generate public keys with ssh-keygen |
| 17:40.25 | jharrisonwk | bathat: something isnt right |
| 17:40.35 | bathat | i'll say |
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| 17:40.45 | jharrisonwk | bathat: when you did not use make-kpkg what commands did you use to build the kernel? |
| 17:41.08 | bathat | make, make modules_install, make install, mkinitrd... |
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| 17:41.37 | jharrisonwk | bathat: make all; make modules_install; cp System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.19; cp arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.19? |
| 17:41.44 | jharrisonwk | ah |
| 17:41.52 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
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| 17:42.02 | bathat | alright, that's what i always used to do |
| 17:42.10 | jharrisonwk | bathat: you have module-init-tools installed? |
| 17:42.10 | bathat | the manual copying |
| 17:42.13 | bathat | yep |
| 17:42.15 | brandini | can anyone tell me how to get the configs that debian uses to build it's 2.6 smp kernels? |
| 17:42.15 | tamlin | Is Debian in deep problems, or have I encountered a stale page? |
| 17:42.25 | h3sp4wn | bathat: are you trying to use the new libata pata drivers ? |
| 17:42.30 | jharrisonwk | brandini: it would be in /boot |
| 17:42.38 | brandini | jharrisonwk: thanks |
| 17:42.41 | jharrisonwk | brandini: /boot/config-xxx |
| 17:42.41 | bathat | not sure, i don't think so |
| 17:42.56 | bathat | yes |
| 17:43.01 | bathat | the sata/pata? |
| 17:43.18 | jamonation | pata is a pita |
| 17:43.19 | brandini | jharrisonwk: and how do I get configs for kernels newer than my 3.1 install? |
| 17:43.27 | dclarke | okay .. I have no idea if this is booting or not |
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| 17:43.37 | brandini | I only have the 2.6.8-2-386 and I'm looking for smp stuff |
| 17:43.38 | tamlin | Please have a look at http://manpages.debian.net/ where it states "Server Recovery in Progress"... since 2006-11-20. |
| 17:43.45 | bathat | the current kernel has libata and sava_nv loaded |
| 17:43.58 | jamonation | dclarke: i've never done a headless install |
| 17:44.26 | DavidProck1981 | ok this is messed up, i wake up this morning and go to play a vidio and it lags like hell and when i close it, It is like Ctrl+Alt+BackSpace wass pressed and im back to the display manager, and since then it has done it times and i was not messing with the video then, would any one know what is going on |
| 17:44.59 | DavidProck1981 | 2 times* |
| 17:45.05 | h3sp4wn | bathat: I had to explicitly add the modules I needed into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (pata_amd and libata in my case) |
| 17:45.08 | jharrisonwk | brandini: from the package I guess |
| 17:45.34 | brandini | apt-get install ??? |
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| 17:46.05 | jamonation | anyone here with mailman foo? |
| 17:46.12 | bathat | h3sp4wn: i will have to try that |
| 17:46.14 | bathat | thanks |
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| 17:47.18 | h3sp4wn | bathat: I used make-kpkg --initrd (and had the files in the initrd as it seemed to work better than having it all static) with everything statically in I had about a 15 second delay which I couldn't find out why |
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| 17:47.49 | wireddd | how do I make ntp sync right now? |
| 17:48.20 | junix|work | ntpdate |
| 17:48.23 | bathat | make-kpkg doesn't work me this time |
| 17:48.26 | bathat | it has in the past |
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| 17:49.00 | h3sp4wn | bathat: It uses initramfs-tools (that still needs to be correct either way) |
| 17:50.09 | bathat | what do i specify as my existing initramfs when i do a update-initramfs? |
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| 17:50.25 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know a good site to show how to setup the latest kernel for etch |
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| 17:50.39 | nephi | is anyone here familiar with the install of debian on an nslu2? |
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| 17:51.35 | Caelum | DavidProck1981: use kernel-package... |
| 17:52.06 | maasha | anyone know how to configure a wacom tablet to use absolute position instead of relateive position ? (xorg and etch) |
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| 17:52.32 | bathat | nevermind |
| 17:52.37 | h3sp4wn | bathat: update-initramfs -u -k all (or substitute kernel version for all) |
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| 17:53.07 | Plouj | how can I update my bash to version 3? |
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| 17:53.14 | bathat | /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19 has been altered. Cannot update. |
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| 17:53.26 | DavidProck1981 | Caelum: Now what? |
| 17:53.36 | DavidProck1981 | just installed |
| 17:53.50 | h3sp4wn | bathat: Does that still exist ? |
| 17:54.02 | bathat | yeah |
| 17:54.17 | wireddd | hah, my clock was so far off that starting it made booth my monitors go into power save mode instantly |
| 17:54.34 | wireddd | s/starting/correcting/ |
| 17:54.43 | Caelum | DavidProck1981: get the kernel sources, unpack; cd to dir; cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config; make menuconfig; make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
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| 17:55.00 | bathat | i accidentally forgot the k flag and now it won't update |
| 17:55.25 | DavidProck1981 | ookkkkkk |
| 17:55.36 | jamonation | bathat: why not compile stuff statically and forget aobut initrd? |
| 17:55.39 | DavidProck1981 | let me figure that one out lol |
| 17:55.57 | stew | DavidProck1981: what do you mean by "lastest kernel"? |
| 17:56.11 | bathat | well, that's what i was trying to do by compiling disk device drivers directly into the kernel |
| 17:56.12 | DavidProck1981 | i think it is 2.6.19 |
| 17:56.13 | h3sp4wn | bathat: update-initramfs -d -k all then update-initramfs -c -k `uname -r` |
| 17:56.22 | Caelum | DavidProck1981: you can also get the kernel tree from debian, apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 # for example |
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| 17:56.47 | h3sp4wn | bathat: You can check whether the initramfs is right by extracting it (its a cpio archive - check it has all the modules you need in it) |
| 17:57.06 | nephi | has anyone here ever installed debian on an nslu2 before? |
| 17:57.09 | bathat | sorry, how do i do that? |
| 17:57.16 | bathat | that seems to have worked |
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| 17:57.41 | Caelum | DavidProck1981: yeah, www.linuxhq.com |
| 17:57.45 | h3sp4wn | bathat: If you are not running that particular kernel you need to put the kernel name into uname -r |
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| 17:57.48 | bathat | it still doesn't work when i specify a version though |
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| 17:58.48 | bathat | i'm not sure if it's working |
| 17:59.10 | bathat | i'm trying to update the initrd for kernel 2.6.19 |
| 17:59.20 | bathat | which i'm not running |
| 17:59.41 | DavidProck1981 | Caelum: what would the patch be for, would i need it |
| 18:00.28 | Caelum | DavidProck1981: patches are the latest changes in the main tree, you can also get the latest snapshot from git |
| 18:00.54 | Caelum | DavidProck1981: but if you're just starting out, it's a good idea to use the released version of the kernel |
| 18:01.21 | jcb | hey, ive just experienced something really weird. i have 8x320gb partitions and i created a raid5 array of them and got a 42gb array instead of 7x320gb. If i create a 7x320gb array its equal to N-1 (6x320gb), so i really dont understand whats going on. Its the exactly same disk model all of them and they all work. Have one of you ever experienced this? |
| 18:01.44 | bathat | and if i try to remove with a kernel version specified, i just get ''Cannot delete version 2.6.19: Not created by this utility.' |
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| 18:01.59 | rahul | jcb: maybe you overflowed some value somewhere in the system |
| 18:02.14 | rahul | jcb: what exactly is saying it's 42gb? |
| 18:02.32 | rahul | jcb: the raid controller? linux? the filesystem? |
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| 18:02.58 | jcb | rahul: "mdadm -D /dev/md0" and fdisk |
| 18:03.11 | rahul | jcb: SOFTWARE raid 5? |
| 18:03.18 | jcb | rahul: yea |
| 18:03.35 | jcb | rahul: the raid5 module from the kernel |
| 18:03.38 | rahul | maybe there's an int somewhere in the code. |
| 18:03.39 | rpetre | does anyone package google earth for debian? i tend to avoid installing *.bin stuff |
| 18:03.43 | rahul | grovel it :P |
| 18:04.11 | rahul | jcb: good luck getting decent performance... |
| 18:04.12 | h3sp4wn | bathat: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19 2.6.19 |
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| 18:04.23 | jcb | rahul: it does smell of overflow |
| 18:04.37 | jcb | rahul: i cant afford a decent hardware controller |
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| 18:04.38 | Caelum | rpetre: I see googleearth-package |
| 18:04.40 | rahul | yes. the sewer is overflowing... I mean |
| 18:05.02 | rahul | jcb: 3ware is too expensive? |
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| 18:05.03 | jcb | rahul: at the moment, yes |
| 18:05.03 | rahul | wow. |
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| 18:05.16 | rahul | should have bought one fewer disk |
| 18:05.25 | rpetre | Caelum: heh, thanks |
| 18:05.27 | rahul | then you wouldn't have had this problem anyway :P |
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| 18:05.48 | jcb | rahul: hehe nah 3ware cost more than 1 disk, say 5 |
| 18:06.00 | jcb | rahul: but i get your point :) |
| 18:06.05 | Caelum | jcb: what if you make a 7x array then add the 8th drive? or use one as a boot drive and for other stuff? |
| 18:06.16 | rahul | what Caelum said |
| 18:06.24 | pzn | using debian testing, kernel 2.6.18; when I plug usb HD or memory-card, they are detected as /dev/sda. (not both at the same time). where should I configure if I want HD as 0600 root/root and memory-card as 0666 (chmod). can the kernel/app detected which one I plugged and configure automatically the permissions? (without mount) |
| 18:06.42 | rahul | pzn: you don't want to do that |
| 18:06.45 | MERLiiN | sup? |
| 18:06.49 | rahul | pzn: man 5 fstab |
| 18:07.00 | rahul | pzn: there is a user flag on the entries you can add |
| 18:07.19 | pzn | rahul, the memory card is a compact-flash that is used in an equipment. It does not have partitions... I need to use it "raw" |
| 18:07.29 | rahul | eew. |
| 18:07.38 | jcb | Caelum: i already have a 2x80 as raid1 for root and if i grow from 7 disk raid5 to 8 disk raid5, it stall at 98.1% and the kernel log says "compute_blocknr: map not correct" |
| 18:07.56 | rahul | pzn: are you using devfs or something? |
| 18:08.06 | pzn | rahul, if memory card is detected, I'd like it to automatically do 0666. yes, it is devfs |
| 18:08.23 | Caelum | jcb: latest kernel tree and raid tools? |
| 18:08.30 | jcb | Caelum: yea |
| 18:08.56 | rahul | pzn: add an entry in the perms config that's like REGISTER /scsi/hostX/.... PERMISSIONS root.disk 0666 |
| 18:09.13 | rahul | pzn: figure out what host usb comes under |
| 18:09.15 | jcb | Caelum: kernel-2.6.19 and mdadm-2.5.2 |
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| 18:09.40 | bathat | phew, i almost lost control of my only good kernel |
| 18:09.51 | bathat | thank goodness i had a backup of initrd |
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| 18:10.09 | maasha | anyone tried xsnow on xorg ? |
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| 18:10.39 | sandman | Is there a way for a window manager to automatically set the priority of windows under the current one to a lower priority? |
| 18:10.45 | rahul | priority? |
| 18:10.48 | DavidProck1981 | speaking od partitions, i have a one hard drive that is split into 2 partitions, is there any way i can merg them back into one with out any data loss |
| 18:10.56 | rahul | what's the priority of a window? to what? |
| 18:11.28 | maasha | sandman: i should say that is configurable with fvwm |
| 18:11.32 | raf256 | I have a wifi in my laptop, how to use it to connect to inet? ifconfig -a doesnt see it |
| 18:11.36 | sandman | Such that my system may be more responsive? I tried Pre-emptive kerneling, but that didn't entirely do what I wanted... it would do things like this: I've a Firefox window up with some flash animations on the page. wine World of Warcraft.exe would be above the firefox windows, and every 3 seconds or so (whenever the flash animations would change on the firefox window behind it), the game would freeze up for a couple seconds |
| 18:11.40 | bkw | I have installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-686 successfully. http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries recommends to install nvidia-glx also. But I can't find that package. Is that a old howto? |
| 18:11.42 | maasha | raf256: WPA ? |
| 18:11.53 | raf256 | maasha: not shure, I think so |
| 18:12.02 | rahul | sandman: I don't think that's easy to contorl |
| 18:12.04 | sandman | It wouldn't behave this way with pre-emptive kerneling off |
| 18:12.08 | rahul | sandman: it could be coming from any computer |
| 18:12.11 | maasha | raf256: then you are in for some work ... google for a WPA debian guide |
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| 18:12.26 | sandman | rahul: I'd rather much like whatever window I have up to have the highest priority |
| 18:12.31 | rahul | sandman: the X server or WM can't control scheduling on remote machines |
| 18:12.45 | sandman | rahul: I think pre-emptive kerneling + dynamic priority control would work. |
| 18:12.45 | rahul | sandman: windows don't have priority |
| 18:12.57 | sandman | rahul: Perhaps, but couldn't they determine what's running them? |
| 18:13.01 | rahul | sandman: windows are data structures that are established over a socket |
| 18:13.02 | sandman | running on them, that is |
| 18:13.11 | sandman | So what you're saying is that it's impossible. |
| 18:13.19 | rahul | sandman: that would be like changing the priority of the web server thread servicing you |
| 18:13.26 | sandman | I wish there was a way to somehow control how flash is brought up, so I could lower the priority of it. |
| 18:13.30 | rahul | sandman: it might be possible in some special cases |
| 18:13.34 | rahul | yeah hmm |
| 18:13.42 | sandman | It seems flash is the only program that does this. |
| 18:13.43 | rahul | KILL FLASH |
| 18:13.45 | rahul | yeah |
| 18:13.47 | rahul | it's shit. |
| 18:13.49 | sandman | heh |
| 18:14.27 | rahul | mozilla should come up with a way to control flash better |
| 18:14.33 | rahul | it's too much of a problem. |
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| 18:14.44 | rahul | unfortunately, pandora uses flash, so I need it |
| 18:14.48 | jamonation | rahul: adobe and mozilla are working on that |
| 18:14.55 | rahul | jamonation: sweet! |
| 18:15.04 | rahul | jamonation: is there a page that documents it? |
| 18:15.10 | rahul | jamonation: or something in bugzilla? |
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| 18:16.00 | rahul | fuck, I'll contribute, too |
| 18:16.02 | jamonation | http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tamarin/faq.html#details |
| 18:16.09 | jamonation | http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200611/110706Mozilla.html |
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| 18:16.23 | nyoro | Hi, I have a pc with a intel q965 chipsets... Ive been trying to install from an usb stick no luck. What are my options? |
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| 18:16.57 | kingsley | Which file contains commands that are executed when X based destops like gnome start? |
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| 18:17.41 | l3mr | is it possible to install debian without having to format the disk, given that a swap partition is already existent? |
| 18:17.46 | gcbirzan | Yes. |
| 18:18.19 | rahul | jamonation: well, they're not going to really fix the issue of the apps hogging cpu for no good reason, at least they don't say they will... but once it's in the moz codebase, I can file bugs into bugzilla and contribute |
| 18:18.42 | rahul | kingsley: that's specific to the desktop |
| 18:19.01 | rahul | kingsley: or, man xsession and read about some of the more generic startup stuff in debian |
| 18:19.12 | jamonation | rahul: i think hogging is more an issue with setinterval and actionscript 2.0 |
| 18:19.18 | nyoro | I've been trying to install from an usb flash memory stick. I zcat'ed a boot.img.gz to it and copied for instance a netinst iso to it, but it cant find the iso after booting. I have fast network so i dont mind as much as possible getting installed over network. |
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| 18:19.40 | rahul | jamonation: shrug. all I know is I get huge memory leaks and cpu hogging. especially in myspace :P |
| 18:20.10 | jamonation | yeah, i switched to 64bit so i don't have flash :) |
| 18:20.17 | rahul | heh |
| 18:20.20 | jamonation | combine that with adblock plus |
| 18:20.32 | jamonation | take back the web++ |
| 18:20.34 | rahul | well, some stuff is actual apps in flash |
| 18:20.44 | rahul | pita. |
| 18:20.57 | raf256 | how to check name of my wireless card? PCMCIA |
| 18:21.09 | esteel | lspci ? |
| 18:21.10 | gcbirzan | lspci |
| 18:21.17 | jamonation | hwinfo!!!! |
| 18:21.22 | sandman | If I apt-get source linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 && su -c apt-get build-dep linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 && cd linux-2.6-2.6.17 && make menuconfig (set options and such) && fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image, will this read my .config file? |
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| 18:21.42 | sandman | Would the same hold true if I had apt-get source -b linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7? |
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| 18:21.51 | sandman | instead of make-kpkg, that is |
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| 18:22.08 | jorgp | where can I find a list of debian environment variables I can set, like DEBEMAIL |
| 18:22.30 | nyoro | im having trouble with getting started installing debian from an usb stick.. can anyone help? |
| 18:22.32 | raf256 | esteel: gcbirzan: not lspcmcia? |
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| 18:22.57 | pipeline | jamonation: privoxy beats adblock any day of the week :P |
| 18:22.59 | raf256 | lspcmi do not recognize it - no driver. it means I have to recompile kernel? |
| 18:23.04 | raf256 | I build kernels by hand |
| 18:23.12 | jamonation | pipeline: i've got it installed with tor |
| 18:23.32 | h3sp4wn | raf256: Try update-pciids first |
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| 18:23.56 | l3mr | gcbirzan: how would i do that? |
| 18:24.03 | jamonation | nyoro: can you install grub to the usb stick? |
| 18:24.21 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: trying |
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| 18:24.49 | pipeline | jamonation: despite privoxy's name, I just use it as an ad filter. Which is wonderful. |
| 18:24.50 | nyoro | jamonation: havent tried that approach, just tried the approach in the documentation which writes a boot.img to the stick and then copies an iso file to it |
| 18:24.53 | kingsley | rahul: Thanks for the tip on man Xsession. |
| 18:24.58 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: after update-pciids and reinsergting card, it still is unknown |
| 18:25.03 | gcbirzan | l3mr: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 18:25.04 | raf256 | it means I have to rebuild kernel? |
| 18:25.14 | becks` | hi, what's the official way to remove services? go in all rcx.d-folders and delete the symlinks?! |
| 18:25.32 | l3mr | gcbirzan: thanks! |
| 18:25.36 | gcbirzan | becks`: update-rc.d |
| 18:25.39 | h3sp4wn | raf256: No you would still get the name is lspci |
| 18:25.48 | becks` | ok thanks gcbirzan |
| 18:25.48 | raf256 | hmm |
| 18:25.48 | rahul | becks`: uninstall the packages |
| 18:25.51 | h3sp4wn | raf256: It may be there is no linux driver for it |
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| 18:25.57 | rahul | becks`: why keepthem around if you don't want them? |
| 18:26.07 | stew | raf256: what is the output of "lspci -n" for that unkonwn card? |
| 18:26.09 | becks` | ok thanks, that's even better :) |
| 18:26.10 | h3sp4wn | raf256: In which case you would need to use ndiswrapper |
| 18:26.28 | raf256 | I dont see the name in lspci |
| 18:26.44 | stew | raf256: is it a pci card or a pcmcia card? |
| 18:26.47 | jamonation | raf256: take a look at http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 18:26.48 | raf256 | pcmcia |
| 18:27.00 | stew | raf256: pcmcia cards don't show up in lcpci |
| 18:27.06 | stew | raf256: what chipset does the card have? |
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| 18:27.12 | raf256 | it is in lspcmcia but it is unknown |
| 18:27.22 | raf256 | well lspcmcia dont show the name so I dont know |
| 18:27.38 | stew | raf256: who is the manufacturer |
| 18:27.42 | raf256 | the card says "orinoco" |
| 18:27.44 | enouf | raf256: got pcmciautils installed? |
| 18:27.48 | stew | raf256: modprobe orinoco_cs |
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| 18:28.02 | raf256 | module not found |
| 18:28.09 | stew | raf256: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:28.11 | jamonation | you've checked iwconfig too right raf256 ? |
| 18:28.12 | raf256 | I build kernels by hand |
| 18:28.25 | stew | raf256: well you need to rebuild it with orinoco support then |
| 18:28.29 | raf256 | stew: what might be .config option for it |
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| 18:29.15 | raf256 | jamonation: yes, the card is not at all visible (not in ifconfig -a) |
| 18:29.19 | raf256 | I will rebuild the kernel then |
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| 18:30.27 | stew | raf256: i dunno off the top of my head |
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| 18:33.16 | Ferret | 2.8.19? |
| 18:33.32 | Azverkan | Question about packaging up css stylesheets in the /usr/shar/<proj> directory. The file from the package has the permissions 0755, I assume I need to change this to 0644 before packaging it up, is it recommended to change the permissions in the source tree before the dh_install step, or change the permissions in the install tree after the dh_install step? |
| 18:33.50 | stew | Azverkan: in the install tree |
| 18:33.52 | pzn | rahul, both devices (HD and compact-flash) are connected to the same USB plug. is there any way of it using different permissions for each device? |
| 18:34.09 | rahul | pzn: not likely. |
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| 18:34.18 | rahul | not easily for sure |
| 18:34.19 | stew | Azverkan: like debian/tmp |
| 18:35.02 | gnudo | i finally managed to installed backport kernel 2.6.18-3 on my sarge laptop and then i proceeded to install the madwifi driver for my atheros card which works fine with 2.6.16. the compilation and installation of the madwifi driver on my laptop running *2.6.18-3* was sucessful but less than a minute after getting an internet connection it locks the machine solid! what gives?? |
| 18:35.52 | jamonation | anything in your syslog? |
| 18:35.55 | pzn | rahul, ok. I'll search for more docs... what I'm trying is a little unusual... thanks! |
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| 18:37.12 | enouf | raf256: here's the ouput of ~$ grep -i pcmcia /boot/config-$(uname -r) for a 2.6.16 Debian kernel-image http://pastebin.CA/272083 ... though I do recall Sarge requiring the yenta_socket module(?) |
| 18:37.43 | enouf | raf256: and 2 others .. likely pcmcia_cs and on other |
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| 18:37.45 | raf256 | enouf: thanks I will be turning all most options I find concenrning that |
| 18:37.46 | enouf | one* |
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| 18:40.58 | enouf | raf256: welcome .. here's the orinoco modules for the same kernel http://pastebin.CA/index.php |
| 18:41.25 | enouf | raf256: bah .. here http://pastebin.CA/272086 |
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| 18:41.55 | raf256 | thanks, lets get compilin' \o/ |
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| 18:42.32 | raf256 | on other box - dual core AM2 with very new mainboard (nvidia, newer then nforce4) I fail to use both DMA for ATA hd and build in network, wtf |
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| 18:44.46 | enouf | raf256: that's an installer issue .. try loading libata.enabled=1 on VT2 just after initial boot (or similar) .. but i'm really not clear on that .. try #debian-boot and mailing list .. it's a known issue .. even linux-ata.org perhaps |
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| 18:45.05 | raf256 | enouf: its amd64 debian btw |
| 18:45.18 | raf256 | also, hand builded kernel 2.6.18 fails to boot there, wtf |
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| 18:45.30 | enouf | raf256: then maybe #debian-amd64 even :-) |
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| 18:46.05 | enouf | raf256: dunno . but newer hardware is always an issue .. you should know that by now |
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| 18:46.31 | parsonsd | i run gnome (it's default) and use knotes (if there's a gnome version, I don't know it) and have a palm that neatly syncs with kpilot. now, knotes has a feature to hide notes, but you can bring them back by clicking on the icon in the systm tray -- but it never shows up in the gnome tray. anyone know a way to get the hidden notes to reappear? |
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| 18:47.15 | parsonsd | or, hehe, should i see if i can find a kde channel? |
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| 18:49.26 | enouf | parsonsd: #debian-kde, #debian-gnome .. or just the channels without the debian prefix .. ok off to find tonight's babydoll :-) |
| 18:49.46 | parsonsd | thnks enouf |
| 18:49.50 | Ronin | bring a patch kit enouf ;) |
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| 18:50.08 | st_iron | hello |
| 18:51.40 | gnudo | i installed backport kernel 2.6.18-3 on my debian sarge laptop and udev was installed. hotplu was removed but a dir called /etc/hotplug is still there. is it safe to remove it? |
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| 18:52.59 | PerfDave | gnudo: I just trashed my Sarge system by installing a backported udev :/ |
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| 18:53.21 | SmallR2002 | guys, any advice on setting up a groupware solution? |
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| 18:54.32 | Epilog | what is the best way to stop the port scanners' |
| 18:54.47 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: Don't do it. |
| 18:54.56 | SmallR2002 | /sigh |
| 18:55.02 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: Just run seperate services, groupware stuff is all crap |
| 18:55.10 | SmallR2002 | mmmn |
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| 18:55.22 | SmallR2002 | i want synchronisation for multiple pcs/devices |
| 18:55.25 | SmallR2002 | and mail |
| 18:55.44 | st_iron | i have installed the latest Nvidia driver and worked fine till the reboot |
| 18:55.48 | SmallR2002 | a central document editor would be pretty sweet too |
| 18:55.48 | gnudo | PerfDave: but udev is installed whether you like it or not if you install backport kernel 2.6.18-3 |
| 18:55.58 | st_iron | and the machine forget load the nvidia driver |
| 18:56.01 | PerfDave | SmallR2002: cfengine for Debian package synchronisation, rsync for files, IMAP for e-mail. |
| 18:56.22 | st_iron | i try the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' but don't see the nvidia driver |
| 18:56.28 | st_iron | what is the problem? :( |
| 18:56.30 | dooglus | !info cfengine |
| 18:56.38 | st_iron | (sorry for my english) |
| 18:56.38 | SmallR2002 | ok, now if i add a couple of windows mobile (sorry, no nix ports for them yet) devices to the mix? |
| 18:57.16 | st_iron | could anyone help me? |
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| 18:59.16 | jamonation | st_iron: you want the nv or nvidia driver? |
| 18:59.22 | st_iron | nvidia |
| 18:59.31 | disposable | i want to install glx|aiglx and beryl. however, dpkg(bot) has no useful info. only some outdated wiki, and packages i'd have to download manually (no sources) is there some other recommended way? |
| 18:59.36 | jamonation | didi you edit your xorg.conf? |
| 18:59.44 | st_iron | I have downloaded the latest nvidia driver |
| 18:59.47 | SmallR2002 | i want email syncing (ok, IMAP should handle that), todo/notes syncing - with a web interface to edit them, an online document editor would be nice too, contacts syncing |
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| 19:00.02 | SmallR2002 | and i want that for both nix and pocketpc devices |
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| 19:00.10 | st_iron | and I use the 'dpkg-reconfigure...' command |
| 19:00.20 | SmallR2002 | do you still say i can do that w/o groupware PerfDave? |
| 19:00.26 | st_iron | it edited the xorg.conf, isn't it |
| 19:00.28 | st_iron | ? |
| 19:00.31 | blondie | wtf is groupware? |
| 19:00.35 | jamonation | st_iron: you need to execute the file you downloaded from a shell as root |
| 19:00.45 | st_iron | that is ok |
| 19:00.46 | blondie | oh that management rubbish :\ |
| 19:00.49 | l3mr | i'm trying to install debian on a running system using http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en.. i seem to fail. step c4.4.4 always returns to console immediately with "Terminated." Any ideas on how to solve this? |
| 19:00.55 | st_iron | I installed succesfully |
| 19:01.02 | st_iron | and it worked |
| 19:01.09 | st_iron | till the reboot... |
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| 19:01.18 | jamonation | you restarted xserver and it worked or it said that it had installed |
| 19:01.20 | Jemt|Mac | Greetz. How do I determine which version of Debian I |
| 19:01.33 | jamonation | st_iron: did you get the nvidia spalsh screen? |
| 19:01.42 | st_iron | jamonation>> yes |
| 19:01.45 | craigevil | Jemt|Mac: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:01.56 | st_iron | I restarted the Xserver and it worked correctly |
| 19:01.57 | jamonation | so what's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 19:02.18 | Jemt|Mac | Greetz. How do I determine which version of Debian I'm using? I'm installing from the minimal CD, and performed a dist-upgrade with testing repository |
| 19:02.25 | Jemt|Mac | craigevil: oh, thanks :) |
| 19:03.03 | l3mr | When i call /usr/sbin/base-config new, it immediately returns to the shell, without asking me anything. how can i solve this? |
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| 19:03.08 | Jemt|Mac | Debian 3.1 == Sarge ? |
| 19:03.17 | Jemt|Mac | Woops, sorry |
| 19:03.31 | st_iron | Jemt|Mac>> yes :) |
| 19:03.40 | Jemt|Mac | Great, thanks mate :) |
| 19:04.20 | st_iron | jamonation>> Xfree86 ;) |
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| 19:04.25 | st_iron | Debian Sarge |
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| 19:05.25 | st_iron | jamonation>> the Xfree86.0.log said: "Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aborting" |
| 19:05.26 | jamonation | right, no clue then... |
| 19:05.59 | st_iron | there is not (EE) line |
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| 19:09.55 | [zebra] | hello guys |
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| 19:10.24 | [zebra] | which fllesystem to prefer ? which is better and probably why ? |
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| 19:11.23 | pipeline | [zebra]: Just use ext3. XFS could conceivably be useful in a few very special cases, but ext3 is never a bad choice. |
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| 19:12.05 | [zebra] | i heard that is slow ... |
| 19:12.10 | RealBorg | I found ext3 to be a very bad choice - performance just sucks |
| 19:13.04 | [zebra] | i previously used ext2 it was dead slow especially during search (traversal) |
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| 19:13.26 | jamonation | RealBorg: performance compared to what? |
| 19:13.36 | sid | I believe most GNU/Linux users use ext3. |
| 19:14.01 | sid | Probably like 90%+ I imagine. since all the distros pick it by default. so there must be something good about ext3 |
| 19:14.02 | jamonation | and with the beloved leader of the namesys team in the click indefinitely... |
| 19:14.10 | jamonation | s/click/clink |
| 19:14.10 | RealBorg | jamonation, our server almost hangs when doing I/O intensive tasks like svnadmin dump or pg_dump |
| 19:14.16 | [zebra] | ok but ext3 does not journalling |
| 19:14.22 | jamonation | ah |
| 19:14.24 | stew | RealBorg: depends on what you want from your filesystem. we get way more people in here with filesystem corruption using reiserfs than all other filesystems combined |
| 19:14.36 | stew | RealBorg: how did you compare the performance of the two filesystems? |
| 19:14.55 | jamonation | sounds like a matter or "It just works" |
| 19:15.43 | RealBorg | stew, I had fs corruption only one back with reiserfs 3.4 |
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| 19:16.41 | RealBorg | when they introduced the unpack_tail ioctl |
| 19:16.45 | jamonation | did 4 make it into the kernel before hans got arrested? |
| 19:16.56 | pipeline | [zebra]: ext3 uses the same on-disk format as ext2, but it's a newer driver. |
| 19:17.02 | pipeline | [zebra]: Same filesystem, newer, faster driver. |
| 19:17.40 | pipeline | RealBorg, jamonation : ReiserFS, even version 4, still lacks a goddamned fsck tool. Grepping the block device for things that look like valid filesystem chunks does not a fsck make |
| 19:18.03 | pipeline | RealBorg, jamonation : Even XFS, insane, complicated beast that it is, has xfs_db/xfs_repair |
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| 19:18.17 | jamonation | i use ext3, lost data with reiserfs on gentoo a year ago |
| 19:18.31 | jamonation | just tried it out, died within a week |
| 19:18.41 | pipeline | RealBorg: By the way, ext3 performance pretty consistently fails to suck. ext3 took a lot of the wind out of the sails of alternative filesystems, because there was so little motive to work on them. |
| 19:18.49 | RealBorg | if you loose data with reiserfs, it's almost always faulty hardware to blame |
| 19:19.06 | sid | I've been using ext3 for 6 years, never lost one bit. |
| 19:19.10 | jamonation | well that same hardware has been running ever since with ext3... |
| 19:19.36 | abrotman | reiser implodes on its own |
| 19:19.39 | sid | I don't see what people are talking about with filesystem problems, ext3 seems to work great..I don't even notice it. It just performs it's job. |
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| 19:20.13 | jamonation | [zebra]: ext3 is journaled |
| 19:20.17 | raf256 | each time you use ext3, raiser kidnaps one byte |
| 19:20.21 | pipeline | RealBorg: That's Hans' most hilarious lie. |
| 19:20.36 | pipeline | RealBorg: He also used to claim that ReiserFS used "different gates" in the processor, causing failures when no other software could :D |
| 19:20.58 | raf256 | pipeline: lol? for real? url? |
| 19:21.03 | pipeline | RealBorg: I am told by aquaintances that Hans Reiser really was a pretty bright guy, just a bit of an egomaniac. i.e. not nearly so stupid as he appears in his many mailing list posts. |
| 19:21.17 | abrotman | about as bad as DJB :) |
| 19:21.19 | raf256 | wtf is egomanica |
| 19:21.39 | abrotman | !dict egomaniac |
| 19:21.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'egomaniac' an abnormally egotistical person |
| 19:21.47 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 19:21.47 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
| 19:21.54 | RealBorg | I use reiserfs since about the time the lilo ioctl was introduced |
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| 19:22.13 | RealBorg | the only thing I lost was my lilo.conf at that time |
| 19:22.56 | RealBorg | (with lilo still working however) |
| 19:22.56 | jamonation | well, whatever floats your boat |
| 19:22.57 | CharminTheMoose | question:how can I make my vfat partition readwriteable for a normal user? |
| 19:22.57 | jamonation | on a desktop though, I doubt I/O is a problem for most users |
| 19:22.57 | abrotman | lilo can run without a conf file |
| 19:23.04 | abrotman | because of the way lilo works |
| 19:23.31 | craigevil | silly question, gkrellm show temps as 32c and 48c are those high temps? |
| 19:24.04 | jamonation | what kind of system? they seem normal |
| 19:24.16 | RealBorg | reiserfs' efficency did really put a great load upon processor, bridge and memory |
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| 19:24.41 | craigevil | its a crappy duron 1.8, its running fine i just have no idea what normal temps are |
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| 19:24.53 | jamonation | craigevil: that's nice for a duron |
| 19:24.54 | abrotman | check with #hardware or amd.com |
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| 19:25.01 | pipeline | craigevil: Motherboards lie. The temperature is practically meaningless. |
| 19:25.02 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 19:25.02 | dpkg | [filesystem comparison] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 19:25.18 | pipeline | craigevil: The only reason that the temperature monitor is there at all is so that you can monitor for outlying (unusual) values. The value in itself means jack shit. |
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| 19:25.44 | craigevil | ah ok, just another pretty sensor on gkrellm then |
| 19:25.56 | pipeline | craigevil: e.g. if it normally reads "90", you want to know the day it reads "200" instead. "90" and "200" don't mean a goddamned thing in relation to zero. |
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| 19:27.44 | jamonation | where does gkrellm get its values? proc/acpi/blah? |
| 19:27.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:27.58 | jamonation | ah |
| 19:27.59 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 19:28.20 | CharminTheMoose | how very ambigous |
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| 19:30.02 | jamonation | CharminTheMoose: s/blah/tab completion :) |
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| 19:31.48 | RvGaTe | Anyone here running Debian Etch and has a working Counterstrike Source with wine? |
| 19:32.08 | jamonation | cedega count? |
| 19:32.16 | RvGaTe | jamonation, if its free |
| 19:32.22 | jamonation | isohunt.com |
| 19:32.49 | abrotman | that's not free |
| 19:33.20 | wols_ | abrotman: it is. as long as you evade capture |
| 19:34.29 | sid | no it isn't. |
| 19:34.48 | sid | It's non-free. |
| 19:35.16 | jamonation | it's free, not Free |
| 19:35.19 | sid | cedega is just a lame company that is cheating the wine community and not submitting changes upstream |
| 19:35.32 | sid | It's no cost, or free/gratis. It is not free/libre. |
| 19:35.51 | jamonation | actually, I think wine doing better at the dx9 api than cedega now |
| 19:36.25 | CharminTheMoose | sid,does the gpl say that you have to submit changes upstream? |
| 19:36.41 | pipeline | mericans already know that the measurement of miles will be discarded in favor of kilometers - a systme of measurement based on the unit of tens and already in use in most of the world. Few people, however, know about the new metric alphabet: the "Decibet"; "deci" from the Greek "ten", and "bet" from our own "alphabet". Let's take a look, shall we? [ holds up large poster of the Decibet ] Now, isn't that simple? Only ten letters. Twn |
| 19:36.47 | pipeline | [ holds flip cards ] |
| 19:36.48 | abrotman | AFAIK .. you're supposed to register for cedega |
| 19:36.50 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: non issue. WINE is not under GPL |
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| 19:36.57 | sid | CharminTheMoose: yes it does. |
| 19:37.02 | pipeline | what the heck was that paste |
| 19:37.19 | wols_ | sid: wrong |
| 19:37.24 | sid | CharminTheMoose: They aren't doing anything against the law. But they've obviously cheated the spirit of our community. |
| 19:37.26 | pipeline | abrotman: Cedega source isn't available anymore. |
| 19:37.39 | sid | CharminTheMoose: You have to show source when distributing with the GPL |
| 19:37.54 | wols_ | abrotman: after there were things like gentoo ebuilds and the like, cedega removed cvs access |
| 19:37.55 | pipeline | sid, CharminTheMoose : It's all moot now. The Cedega people were such assholes for such a long time that WineHQ changed the license on Wine. Cedega is based on a version that's really, really old. |
| 19:38.42 | CharminTheMoose | aye but cedega is supporting a load of gamez |
| 19:39.15 | phr0st_e | when tunneling X11 apps over ssh, is there a way to forward the entire display, and not just the individual X11 apps? |
| 19:39.15 | phr0st_e | not including using NX or VNC, but just like you would tunnel any other X11 app? |
| 19:39.29 | blondie | phr0st_e: what display? |
| 19:39.55 | phr0st_e | using fluxbox w/ xdm |
| 19:39.55 | jamonation | can you do xdmcp over ssh? |
| 19:39.55 | blondie | you could try running your WM maybe |
| 19:40.06 | CharminTheMoose | um |
| 19:40.08 | blondie | what happens if you run fluxbox over it? |
| 19:40.10 | CharminTheMoose | question:how can I make my vfat partition readwriteable for a normal user? |
| 19:40.14 | phr0st_e | not sure what xdmcp is... |
| 19:40.24 | blondie | !xdmcp |
| 19:40.24 | dpkg | hmm... xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world" |
| 19:40.33 | blondie | but I don't think it tunnels |
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| 19:41.57 | jamonation | never tried it, works well on a lan though |
| 19:42.39 | phr0st_e | am looking into xdmcp...thanks for the start |
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| 19:45.03 | jamonation | dunno if it works over ssh like blondie said |
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| 19:45.32 | lol | banner lol |
| 19:45.35 | lol | its a new banner |
| 19:45.43 | lol | bitech |
| 19:45.44 | lol | kissmyyas |
| 19:45.47 | lol | ajaa you are a gay |
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| 19:46.01 | rdz | hi all. how can i pipe stderr to the next command? with 2|? |
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| 19:46.40 | helo | if i have a binary-only kernel driver, how can i get make-kpkg to pull it into the deb when it builds? |
| 19:46.57 | phr0st_e | hr...doesn't look like xdmcp doesn't like to work over ssh...I'll just implement VNC if I really need to see the whole desktop, and tunnel that through SSH |
| 19:47.05 | phr0st_e | thanks all |
| 19:47.46 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,is it just me or is make install a bit stupid if there's no make uninstall in the sources Makefile? |
| 19:48.13 | helo | not at all... otherwise you'd have to manually copy files everywhere to install |
| 19:48.36 | jamonation | checkinstall is a good tool for basic .deb creation from sources |
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| 19:49.13 | CharminTheMoose | helo what do you mean? |
| 19:49.34 | helo | CharminTheMoose: make install is nice, even without make uninstall, because it saves you a lot of work |
| 19:49.34 | CharminTheMoose | i'm talking about uninstalling 'make install'ed software |
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| 19:49.51 | rdz | is there a way to redirect stderr to sdtout? |
| 19:50.03 | helo | CharminTheMoose: make uninstall would be kinda nice, but it doesn't devalue make install |
| 19:50.36 | rgsteele | Eh, anyone know the ha-linux channel? |
| 19:50.52 | jamonation | CharminTheMoose: use checkinstall to install stuff |
| 19:50.52 | CharminTheMoose | helo yeah i suppose. |
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| 19:51.32 | CharminTheMoose | jamonation:what does checkinstall do? |
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| 19:52.27 | stew | CharminTheMoose: apt-cache show checkinstall |
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| 19:54.30 | WorldBFree | is there an iceweasel channel? |
| 19:55.04 | jamonation | it creates a .deb out of your make install |
| 19:55.26 | CharminTheMoose | that's pretty cool |
| 19:55.33 | rahul | or just make a package of it |
| 19:55.35 | rahul | normally |
| 19:55.42 | rahul | it's kinda trivial |
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| 19:56.14 | vanisher | is testing stable enough for production shared webhosting? |
| 19:56.23 | rahul | vanisher: could be. |
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| 19:56.26 | rahul | vanisher: you never know |
| 19:56.27 | stew | vanisher: no, it doesn't get timely security updates |
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| 19:56.38 | rahul | well, it could be _right now_ |
| 19:57.33 | Detox_away | hello am wanting to isntall etch on a dell power edge 1950 server but it does not like the raid controller, do I need to adjsut something on booting for isntall? or compile to add raid support? |
| 19:58.05 | vanisher | stew: are there any recent packages for php etc available for stable? |
| 19:58.25 | stew | vanisher: backports.org has them /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:59.15 | jamonation | stable && recent php == joke |
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| 19:59.25 | tarmsie | how do I make apt-get only get the one package I want, and not try to damage a whole bunch of other stuff up at the same time? |
| 19:59.31 | l3mr | i am running debootstrap and it fails when trying to install base-files and base-passwd, but the files are in /var/cache/apt/... |
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| 19:59.36 | Varange | hi all |
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| 20:00.00 | vanisher | thx stew! time to try some real linux distro :) |
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| 20:00.18 | tarmsie | ? |
| 20:00.33 | CharminTheMoose | question:how can I make my vfat partition readwriteable for a normal user? |
| 20:00.34 | vanisher | apt-get install <packagename> ? |
| 20:00.46 | Detox_away | hello am wanting to isntall etch on a dell power edge 1950 server but it does not like the raid controller, do I need to adjsut something on booting for isntall? or compile to add raid support? |
| 20:00.53 | stew | CharminTheMoose: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 20:01.01 | tarmsie | stew, any idea man? |
| 20:01.20 | bkw | Is speedstep support something that is supported in the official debian kernel packages, I'm running testing? |
| 20:01.23 | Varange | I've inherited this old Debian box, and need to fix up the iptables setup. So first off, a few generic questions. I see that iptables are handled by ipmasq. Is this still the current preferred way of doing it? |
| 20:01.31 | Varange | hi stew |
| 20:01.40 | vanisher | tarmsie: apt-get install <package name> |
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| 20:02.23 | tarmsie | apt-get seems to be seriously broken. it's trying to remove 142mb of stuff, including X, when all I want to do is install libgtkglext1-dev |
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| 20:03.10 | helo | rest assured, apt is not broken! |
| 20:03.17 | Loevborg | Is there a way to watch file grow on the command line? (short of while true; clear; ls -lh file; done) |
| 20:03.26 | tarmsie | why is it doing so then? |
| 20:03.47 | Varange | tarmsie, it might be trying to uninstall old stuff so it can install new stuff that your package needs |
| 20:03.48 | helo | i bet it explains itself if you read the output carefully |
| 20:04.07 | Loevborg | (background I'm using "dd" to copy a partition, but it has no nice and verbose output) |
| 20:04.18 | stew | tarmsie: /msg dpkg bat |
| 20:04.48 | Varange | who knows in detail how Debian loads the iptables commands? |
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| 20:05.06 | Varange | is ipmasq still current? |
| 20:05.33 | Varange | helo, will you give me a hand with this? |
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| 20:08.06 | Varange | stew, some help with iptables? |
| 20:09.08 | raf256 | I write a shell script that calls a serie of iptables commands, it that a good approach? |
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| 20:09.28 | stew | Varange: afiak, ipmasq is still valid, but i've never tried it. debian doesn't have a standard way to load iptables rules. |
| 20:09.29 | Varange | raf256, dunno |
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| 20:09.39 | Varange | stew, ahh, I see |
| 20:09.44 | raf256 | stew: perhaps there should be one? |
| 20:10.02 | aboyousif | hello, can i run gnome 2.16 on 128 ram ? |
| 20:10.02 | karsten | raf256: That's the standard approach. |
| 20:10.06 | MegafArcher | abchirk_, maybe |
| 20:10.07 | stew | Varange: one recommended way (of other possible ways) is to write a script, put it somewhere like /usr/local/sbin ; the call the script from a "pre-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:10.11 | karsten | aboyousif: You might walk it slowly. |
| 20:10.14 | stew | Varange: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 20:10.18 | raf256 | like a script in /etc/network/firewall.sh that reads some /etc/network/current/ config variables |
| 20:10.22 | Varange | stew, thanks! |
| 20:10.23 | stew | Varange: (or the same for ipmasq) |
| 20:10.30 | karsten | Where's the website / procedure for requesting a package for Debian? |
| 20:10.33 | raf256 | "/usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian" [New File] |
| 20:10.40 | aboyousif | karsten, thanks |
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| 20:10.58 | karsten | NM: wnpp |
| 20:11.04 | stew | bah, where did that file go |
| 20:11.21 | bkw | I have loaded the speedstep_centrino module, but still /proc/cpuinfo show's the max clock freq. I'm not having any load atm |
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| 20:12.21 | raf256 | bkw: cpufreq-set |
| 20:12.26 | jamonation | bkw: i think you need something like powernowd or cpufreqd |
| 20:12.45 | bkw | raf256: what is that? |
| 20:12.57 | raf256 | bkw: a program to controll the cpu speed, apt-get install it |
| 20:13.00 | bkw | I thought the kernel would set the freq automaticlly |
| 20:13.02 | raf256 | then call it with ondemand |
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| 20:13.10 | raf256 | yes, but you need to tell kernel to do that |
| 20:13.22 | raf256 | cpufreq-set -g ondemand should do that, or simmilar, read man |
| 20:13.33 | raf256 | and then add it to /etc/init.d/ to have it auto-start |
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| 20:13.59 | stew | raf256: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian.gz seems to exist in sarge but not etch |
| 20:14.07 | CharminTheMoose | goddamn it |
| 20:14.15 | CharminTheMoose | i've lost the abilty to untar from the cli |
| 20:14.16 | helo | adding it to /etc/rc.local would probably be the best way to do it |
| 20:14.23 | CharminTheMoose | can someone help me out here? |
| 20:14.25 | bkw | raf256: is the packagename cpufreqd, -set does not exist. |
| 20:14.45 | CharminTheMoose | oh wait |
| 20:14.47 | CharminTheMoose | there we go |
| 20:14.49 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 20:14.51 | helo | yay! |
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| 20:15.06 | blondie | my iptables script lives in /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 20:15.15 | blondie | so it gets run when the network comes up |
| 20:15.50 | stew | blondie: pre-up is probably better than up, but that is splitting hairs |
| 20:15.53 | geo-rge | untarcli?! |
| 20:16.10 | tarmsie | stew: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZkYgGE67.html |
| 20:16.16 | stew | blondie: well depending on if the script has everything it needs before the network is up |
| 20:16.22 | CharminTheMoose | geo-rge:what's wrong with untarring from the cli? |
| 20:16.30 | tarmsie | I don't want to do any of that... I just want to install one package! |
| 20:16.31 | geo-rge | actually it's good... |
| 20:16.43 | tarmsie | how do I make apt-get only do what I want it to do? :) |
| 20:16.53 | static_x_ | could someone please tell me how i can find out which driver my current debian install is using for my graphics card. As for some reason i cannot change the resolution, it seems to only go to 640 x 480 (screen size)? |
| 20:16.54 | geo-rge | if you can untarcli you should also be able to catcli and do other clilike things... |
| 20:17.13 | CharminTheMoose | catcli?cat from the command line? |
| 20:17.27 | geo-rge | heyy! you guessed it! |
| 20:17.28 | stew | tarmsie: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:17.47 | stew | tarmsie: it must be either a system that only halfway upgraded from stable to testing, or a very out of date testing/unstable |
| 20:18.02 | blondie | stew: not sure if ppp0 exists beforehand |
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| 20:18.37 | geo-rge | of course, you could also #!/bin/cat on scripts... (and btw, what exactly would that do?) |
| 20:18.58 | tarmsie | stew: only slightly out-of-date testing |
| 20:19.15 | CharminTheMoose | geo-rge:What would that do?? |
| 20:19.35 | geo-rge | hmm :) the suspense is killing me! |
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| 20:19.40 | stew | tarmsie: well what it is doing looks correct |
| 20:19.49 | CharminTheMoose | i don't know what it'd do |
| 20:20.12 | geo-rge | ok... what would #!/usr/bin/perl do? |
| 20:20.16 | stew | tarmsie: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 20:20.21 | geo-rge | what does that -specify-? |
| 20:20.34 | geo-rge | what does that -mean-? |
| 20:20.36 | CharminTheMoose | erm,run the script through /usr/bin/perl? |
| 20:20.39 | tarmsie | stew: but I don't want it to do any of that. I just want ONE package, and any of its dependencies, installed. |
| 20:20.54 | geo-rge | so perl would _______ the script |
| 20:20.58 | stew | blondie: you don't need it to exist to run (for example) iptable -A INPUT -i ppp0 -j DENY... but if you need the actual ip address then you need to do it in post-up |
| 20:21.04 | stew | tarmsie: then you are doing the right thing |
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| 20:21.11 | CharminTheMoose | interpret it?? |
| 20:21.14 | geo-rge | yes |
| 20:21.37 | CharminTheMoose | ah so #!/bin/cat would run the script through /bin/cat |
| 20:21.43 | geo-rge | hmmm.... if that's the case, what would it mean for cat to "interpret" a script in the same way |
| 20:21.44 | CharminTheMoose | what's the point in doing that? |
| 20:21.45 | stew | tarmsie: it looks like that is exactly what is happening |
| 20:21.53 | tarmsie | stew: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/RPgfiv61.html |
| 20:21.57 | blondie | stew: oh |
| 20:22.08 | CharminTheMoose | to print the entire script onto the screen? |
| 20:22.14 | geo-rge | try it and see :) one thing I can tell you is it's harmless; doesn't change anything |
| 20:22.22 | geo-rge | YES |
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| 20:23.01 | geo-rge | so, it would seem that #!/bin/cat may end up being kinda useless... but... what if you did #!/usr/bin/less |
| 20:23.03 | stew | tarmsie: the package you are fetching is causing an x upgrade which is why you are seeing so many things added and removed |
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| 20:23.36 | stew | geo-rge: #!/bin/cat isn't strictly useless. it just makes it so that running the "script" just outputs its contents |
| 20:23.36 | tarmsie | stew: it says it'll have 142mb more free space when it's done. that means it's deleting things it's not installing replacements for. this is rather unacceptable... |
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| 20:24.02 | CharminTheMoose | geo-rge it'd pass the script through less. |
| 20:24.07 | geo-rge | yes |
| 20:24.14 | stew | tarmsie: if you want to try to keep any of the things it wants to remove then list them on the "aptitude install" line to be installed, or use the aptitude frontend to resolve the dependencies |
| 20:24.14 | geo-rge | and the effect would be? |
| 20:24.38 | bkw | cpufreqd-set dynamic |
| 20:24.38 | bkw | No cpufreqd socket found |
| 20:24.43 | CharminTheMoose | i think it'd pause the output a screen at a time? |
| 20:24.44 | geo-rge | what did miles davis say? |
| 20:24.50 | tarmsie | stew: not a damn chance I'm upgrading X. I FINALLY have it gotten to the point where it's both stable and fast, and seeing as that's a half-impossible goal, not touching it while it works... |
| 20:24.53 | bkw | strange when the cpufreqd is running |
| 20:24.53 | geo-rge | right... |
| 20:25.01 | geo-rge | btw, Miles said: less is more |
| 20:25.03 | tarmsie | stew: aptitude is evil. dselect++ :) |
| 20:25.42 | rahul | !penixstrike tarmsie |
| 20:25.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking tarmsie to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:25.56 | tarmsie | heh |
| 20:26.06 | CharminTheMoose | geo-rge,how very informative |
| 20:26.11 | streuner | there are two kind of people, those who unterstand and are familar with dselect and the other group who just hate dselect :-) |
| 20:26.28 | streuner | and 99 percent just don't like that bullshit |
| 20:26.28 | geo-rge | (what does more do?) |
| 20:26.38 | rahul | streuner: I'm in both groups |
| 20:26.39 | streuner | haha |
| 20:26.47 | rahul | I never had a problem with dselect. aptitude just does more. |
| 20:26.51 | wols_ | streuner: and membership in the first group deosn't prevent one from being in the second |
| 20:26.59 | streuner | sound rather like a masochist :-) |
| 20:26.59 | geo-rge | I'm a serious dselect hater... it's because the interface sucks |
| 20:27.20 | CharminTheMoose | geo-rge it does the exact same as less except it's less? |
| 20:27.20 | stew | tarmsie: aptitude isn't evil, and its the best tool out there for resolving these types of complex dependency situations |
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| 20:27.21 | rahul | what stew said |
| 20:27.21 | geo-rge | sorta :) |
| 20:27.30 | geo-rge | it pages the content of the "script" |
| 20:27.48 | geo-rge | CharminTheMoose: would you ever do a README file that way? |
| 20:27.55 | rahul | dselect was fine for normal stuff, but aptitude provides a much better interface when you have multiple versions available and complex dependencies... and apt.preferences doesn't affect dselect :) |
| 20:28.01 | streuner | wols_: you sounds like someone who unterstand dselect? |
| 20:28.10 | CharminTheMoose | geo-rge course |
| 20:28.23 | wols_ | streuner: I sound someone who've seen apt and never looked back |
| 20:28.32 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:28.47 | streuner | well, that sounds a lot better :-) |
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| 20:29.12 | rahul | aptitude doesn't reduce the number of packages.... |
| 20:29.25 | CharminTheMoose | would you geo-rge? |
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| 20:29.52 | kkokk | rahul: what do you mean? |
| 20:30.11 | rahul | kkokk: what I say |
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| 20:31.02 | streuner | after all, many newbies just don't choosed debian because of dselect... |
| 20:31.19 | geo-rge | sure :) they can then feed it to less, cat it (just like before) or exectue it |
| 20:31.20 | streuner | s/don't choosed/didn't choose/ |
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| 20:31.49 | kkokk | rahul: I am sorry, hmm, something wrong with apt? |
| 20:31.55 | rahul | kkokk: where? |
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| 20:32.07 | kkokk | rahul: sorry aptitude |
| 20:32.12 | rahul | kkokk: what about it? |
| 20:33.00 | kkokk | You spoke about package number reduction, dselect have different behaviour? |
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| 20:33.28 | Jemt|Mac | Greetz. I have just reinstalled Debian 4.0, and now it suddently dosn't find my soundcard or mouse pointer. Can someone help me? X fails with the following message: "No core pointer. Failed to initialize core pointer". My pointer section in xorg.conf contains an option with the value of "CorePointer" - should I remove it ? Any help is appriciated :) |
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| 20:34.01 | sid | Jemt|Mac: Debian 4.0 doesn't exist yet, you're using testing which someday might be Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 20:34.16 | kkokk | Jemt|Mac: maybe you could past Xorg.0.log |
| 20:34.26 | becks` | all those linux problems are making me sick. blame those that say linux is a desktop for everyone :P |
| 20:34.27 | sid | !tell Jemt|Mac about paste |
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| 20:34.38 | sid | Jemt|Mac: Like kkokk said, put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on a paste site. |
| 20:34.43 | Jemt|Mac | sid: You know what I mean - yes, it's testing |
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| 20:35.38 | rahul | kkokk: no, someone claimed that it was difficult to go through all the packages in dselect. that's no different in aptitude. |
| 20:35.51 | kkokk | sid: paste site is flood? |
| 20:36.02 | kkokk | rahul: ah, ok, thanks for explanation |
| 20:36.30 | sid | kkokk: /msg dpkg paste |
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| 20:38.43 | kkokk | sid: Nice, and ... where will this appear to others? I mean I see just link to the paste site. |
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| 20:39.25 | shwag | Where is the cronjob that launches the mysql debian-sys-maint job ? |
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| 20:39.44 | main2 | is there a way, to automaticly find out in what format .dat file is? |
| 20:39.53 | vanisher | is debian a good desktop OS out of the box or do you have to do a lot of customizing? |
| 20:39.56 | main2 | i got a file, but 'file' only tells me that its 'data' :( |
| 20:40.25 | RvGaTe | main2, what are the contents of the file? |
| 20:40.51 | main2 | hiya RvGaTe, the content is text |
| 20:41.04 | main2 | massive ammounts of text, but the content -> as how it looks to me |
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| 20:41.10 | main2 | compressed |
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| 20:41.41 | Jemt|Mac | sid && kkokk : http://powerzone.dk/tmp/xorg.0.log - http://powerzone.dk/tmp/xorg.conf |
| 20:41.44 | Jemt|Mac | There :) |
| 20:41.57 | kkokk | Thanks :) |
| 20:42.42 | ErikRose | A question about pulling in 1 package from unstable on an otherwise testing box, if I might: |
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| 20:43.06 | ErikRose | I threw unstable in my sources.list and did an update and installed the package I needed. |
| 20:43.36 | ErikRose | And I've deleted unstable from my sources.list, but I can't get apt to forget about the rest of the unstable packages it's learned about. |
| 20:43.47 | ErikRose | It wants to upgrade adduser to 3.100 (the unstable version), for example. |
| 20:43.50 | Jemt|Mac | Hm, things have really changed in the most recent testing repository. Both my soundcard, mouse device and wireless dosn't work anymore :-/ |
| 20:43.52 | ErikRose | How do I give it amnesia? |
| 20:44.06 | DerJamster | Jemt|Mac: ...ow? What mouse, soundcard? |
| 20:44.19 | kkokk | Jemt|Mac: try ls -l /dev/psaux |
| 20:44.25 | DerJamster | Jemt|Mac: I think it's really weird that the mouse is acting up. |
| 20:44.26 | CharminTheMoose | ErikRose: apt-get update? |
| 20:44.35 | ErikRose | I did `aptitude update`, yes. |
| 20:44.37 | DerJamster | Jemt|Mac: have X use /dev/input/mice instead of /dev/psaux |
| 20:44.43 | Jemt|Mac | Mouse: IBM Trackpoint Wifi: Cisco (airo module) Soundcard: Intel 810 |
| 20:44.53 | DerJamster | It will catch all mice, no matter the connector type |
| 20:45.01 | Jemt|Mac | DerJamster: I AM using /mice :) |
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| 20:45.05 | DerJamster | ...okaaay.. |
| 20:45.08 | itchi | ErikRose: Crazy guy |
| 20:45.14 | DerJamster | what happens if you do cat /dev/input/mice as root and move it? |
| 20:45.28 | helo | is there some way that debian probes ide devices that might be different from other distros such as suse? i'm having a problem with dma timeout errors on a drive, which occur in debian but not suse |
| 20:45.46 | DerJamster | helo: grab hdparm and check its settings. |
| 20:46.14 | raf256 | DerJamster: it outputs some data |
| 20:46.25 | raf256 | might fuck up the terminal, I reccomend hexdump instead |
| 20:46.41 | DerJamster | raf256: I know what it does. I wanna know what it does in -his- case :) |
| 20:46.46 | DerJamster | and 'reset' will fix the terminal |
| 20:46.49 | raf256 | ah |
| 20:47.03 | raf256 | didnt followed conversation |
| 20:47.08 | DerJamster | helo: hdparm -d1 -c1 might fix the problem |
| 20:47.12 | DerJamster | raf256: no prob :> Happens. |
| 20:47.44 | ErikRose | So `aptitude update` is supposed to make apt forget the Unstable stuff, huh? |
| 20:48.02 | helo | DerJamster: the errors only occur at boot, and then the drive works fine... it sits there for a couple minutes while the DMA timeout errors occur a few times |
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| 20:48.20 | helo | DerJamster: then finishes booting and everything works great |
| 20:48.40 | helo | so hdparm will only change things after the errors have already occurred |
| 20:48.55 | helo | i'll check out hdparm info in suse and debian... that might help |
| 20:50.26 | vanisher | hi folks, is debian out of the box a nice desktop system without to much customization needed? |
| 20:50.53 | mrcheeks | vanisher:you see the screenshots of kde and gnome , it is all the same |
| 20:51.05 | raf256 | vanisher: install and use KDE, add apt source for debian multimedia and install win32 codecs, kaffeine, mplayer and so on |
| 20:51.11 | mrcheeks | some distros has custom look and feel for the desktop to reflate their brand |
| 20:51.24 | helo | DerJamster: the drive in question is an on-board compact flash drive, represented as ide to the system |
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| 20:51.58 | vanisher | i must admit that i'm not really aware of the differences between kde and gnome.. it will be used as an office system including webdevelopment |
| 20:52.09 | itchi | ErikRose: Forget it |
| 20:52.09 | kkokk | vanisher: Try mandriv and see if you want nice distro with no customzation |
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| 20:52.19 | kkokk | s/mandriv/mandriva/ |
| 20:52.32 | raf256 | gnome sucks, kde doesn't |
| 20:52.48 | itchi | raf256: Are you drunken? |
| 20:52.49 | vanisher | raf: lol, i'll guess that's your personal opinion ;) |
| 20:52.59 | raf256 | vanisher: even Linus seconds it |
| 20:53.02 | kkokk | raf256: what do you mean? |
| 20:53.12 | ErikRose | Anybody powerful know debian-faq-wiki is out of disk space? |
| 20:53.23 | raf256 | kde have more options and is faster, gnome have less options and is slower |
| 20:53.41 | itchi | ErikRose: Ug, what mean you? |
| 20:53.47 | plutonas | raf256: gnome is faster... |
| 20:53.52 | ErikRose | itchi: Go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki. Enjoy the error. |
| 20:53.58 | plutonas | but for the rest i agree |
| 20:54.01 | raf256 | plutonas: its slower on my box |
| 20:54.02 | itchi | ErikRose: Ask tarzeau about it |
| 20:54.16 | itchi | tarzeau: Are you aware of the trouble? |
| 20:54.18 | plutonas | raf256: not on mine, but i do not use neither of them anyway |
| 20:54.23 | ErikRose | tarzeau: The log volume for http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki is full. |
| 20:54.36 | helo | that's kinda incorrect... gnome has fewer options by design |
| 20:54.47 | kkokk | raf256: well, depends what version you compare |
| 20:55.14 | plutonas | well gnome developers say, that gnome is for the adult inside you! |
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| 20:55.28 | plutonas | i think that says everything... |
| 20:55.44 | vanisher | plutonas: can you explain that 'adult inside you!' |
| 20:55.52 | plutonas | on the other hand kde is a lot more "windows like", maybe a better start |
| 20:55.54 | helo | i don't want anyone inside me |
| 20:55.57 | raf256 | it comes with GNU licensed hookers? |
| 20:55.59 | itchi | raf256: Weird, Gnome should be faster, lighter (yeah, maybe, lesser options) |
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| 20:56.05 | plutonas | vanisher: its more "serious" |
| 20:56.15 | odla | itchi, i think gnome is slower than kde too |
| 20:56.19 | plutonas | helo: thats not the way i meant |
| 20:56.58 | odla | gnome is for folks that don't like to customize and can't handle that |
| 20:57.07 | raf256 | also gnome is more insecure, AFAIK it was triggering the remote arbitrary code execution bug in nvidia driver |
| 20:57.13 | itchi | ba, i had been see what was faster on my old 300MHz laptop with 128MB RAM. |
| 20:57.20 | kkokk | Well, KDE is eyecandy, well integrated, but faseter? |
| 20:57.26 | plutonas | its more serious, has less "things to play with", that means (to not get misunderstood again) that you set the desktop background, chose a theme, and there is not a lot more to set |
| 20:57.30 | raf256 | kkokk: yes |
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| 20:57.44 | kkokk | raf256: have you compared last version? |
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| 20:57.50 | itchi | Strange guys tonight |
| 20:57.54 | odla | gnome can be eye candy too |
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| 20:57.56 | raf256 | kkokk: no |
| 20:57.57 | kkokk | raf256: I mean 2.16 |
| 20:57.57 | plutonas | after you set background and them, you start working :) |
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| 20:58.00 | itchi | Trolltech guys or so?? |
| 20:58.01 | gan|y|med | hello |
| 20:58.11 | gan|y|med | it's been a long time since i did set up grub last time. how is the video option for changing the number of lines during boot-up (the one with the tux image)? |
| 20:58.19 | asdx | hi, i'm using gentoo atm but i don't really like it, i was a LFS user and i still love LFS and i'm planning to switch back to LFS, but i want to try debian before. how is debian compared? |
| 20:58.22 | vanisher | plutonas: no need for a 'from windows start' my proffesion is a lot CLI related ;) like netapp, vmware and cisco |
| 20:58.33 | kkokk | raf256: should be different, but I am not sure when it will be in deb |
| 20:58.33 | outlaw84 | does anyone of you know what needs to be done with unstable inorder to be able to recieve incomming bluetooth scans? |
| 20:58.45 | plutonas | vanisher: i see! :) |
| 20:59.01 | itchi | gan|y|med: Just add vga=xxx |
| 20:59.32 | plutonas | itchi: where xxx is what? |
| 20:59.45 | gan|y|med | okay, just need the code. i'll google for it. i am really not into this right now |
| 20:59.48 | gan|y|med | thx a lot |
| 20:59.52 | itchi | plutonas: I use 791 == 1024 |
| 20:59.53 | plutonas | i have tried that with vga=a number that i dont remember |
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| 21:00.09 | plutonas | which i found on the net, but it didnt work |
| 21:00.12 | vanisher | i'll guess i just have to try them both |
| 21:00.31 | itchi | plutonas: Yeah, your card need to support it, looks like he can not |
| 21:00.48 | outlaw84 | plutonas: is it the magic boot vga codes you are looking for? |
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| 21:00.56 | gan|y|med | http://de.opensuse.org/SDB:Framebuffer_für_nicht_unterstützte_Grafikkarten_einrichten_(GRUB) |
| 21:01.12 | gan|y|med | you can also use hex numbers, i think |
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| 21:01.28 | plutonas | itchi: outlaw84 , i found the code from a tutorial to install debian on a laptop exactly as mine |
| 21:01.31 | outlaw84 | plutonas: http://wiki.jivenius.net/index.php?wiki=VgaKoder |
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| 21:01.32 | plutonas | and on the guys one it worked |
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| 21:01.43 | abrotman | gan|y|med: yes .. like 771 etc |
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| 21:02.22 | outlaw84 | is anyone of you in here using bluetooth with debian? |
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| 21:02.41 | itchi | plutonas: On my old 300MHz laptop, it worked too |
| 21:02.46 | gan|y|med | thx a lot. not having inet for 3 month at home is hell for the brain :) |
| 21:02.59 | plutonas | outlaw84: on the link you gave me, whath is the left of the table? |
| 21:03.06 | plutonas | 256 etc...? |
| 21:03.15 | outlaw84 | colors |
| 21:03.21 | aebonyne | I'm using unstable and I just upgraded Eclipse from v3.1 to v3.2 and now it is running the Java version instead of the native even though I installed the eclipse-gcj package. Any ideas? |
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| 21:03.29 | plutonas | aha |
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| 21:04.03 | itchi | plutonas: The depth of the colors, the numbers of colors to use |
| 21:04.08 | abrotman | gcj is java |
| 21:04.13 | maasha | i need a photo to exemplify enormous disk storage - what should i search for? (i searched for blue gene to find enourmous computing power) |
| 21:04.41 | aebonyne | abrotman, yeah, but it's supposed to be native compiled |
| 21:04.44 | abrotman | Library of Congress ? :) |
| 21:05.08 | abrotman | maasha: EMC stuff maybe? |
| 21:05.13 | maasha | emc ? |
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| 21:05.17 | maasha | what is an emc |
| 21:05.18 | outlaw84 | maasha look for storage solutions on http://www.sun.com |
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| 21:05.29 | wols_ | maasha: a company that builds storage systems |
| 21:05.29 | gan|y|med | if i wanna use edonkey, do i have to allow inbound services on all the ports of the servers i connect to or just port 6881? |
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| 21:05.52 | maasha | i need a photo of disk towers, i guess |
| 21:05.58 | abrotman | emc.com |
| 21:06.07 | Jemt|Mac | For some reason, /dev/input/mice dosn't seem to work - it's like it is not associated with any hardware. Can someone help me ? |
| 21:06.10 | itchi | maasha: Google images?? |
| 21:06.12 | wols_ | gan|y|med: iirc 6881 is the bittorrent poirt |
| 21:06.14 | wols_ | port |
| 21:06.35 | maasha | itchi: sure - but i need search keywords |
| 21:06.47 | gan|y|med | seems they both use the same |
| 21:07.01 | abrotman | maasha: in reality .. storage towers look like server racks |
| 21:07.13 | wols_ | gan|y|med: no they don't |
| 21:07.19 | abrotman | or ask #hardware |
| 21:07.27 | itchi | maasha: You already got the key ;-) |
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| 21:07.46 | gan|y|med | sorry: port 4665 |
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| 21:08.00 | gan|y|med | and 4661/4662 |
| 21:08.06 | maasha | abrotman: well, i guess so - they have not been really good at designing these things - they all look ugly to non-geeks |
| 21:08.20 | gan|y|med | but the question still remains... |
| 21:08.22 | wols_ | gan|y|med: tbh you can use any port you want |
| 21:08.41 | wols_ | usually it needs one tcp and one udp port only |
| 21:08.47 | gan|y|med | so it just hast to allow inbound tcp/upd |
| 21:08.49 | itchi | gan|y|med: Are there no docs with that monkey package? |
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| 21:09.44 | gan|y|med | i have found a standard answer. i was just looking for more reliable expertise |
| 21:10.20 | maasha | i need a photo of google data storage farm :o/ |
| 21:10.40 | maasha | or yahoo's - or nsa's |
| 21:11.08 | outlaw84 | maasha: have you asked them? info@nsa.gov |
| 21:11.37 | maasha | outlaw84: heheheheheheh |
| 21:11.39 | ErikRose | Well, that's funny. I restored my staging VM to an earlier disk image, redid the grab-a-package-from-unstable, did the remove-unstable-from-the-apt-sources dance, did an update, and it _did_ unlearn about the unstable packages like it's supposed to. |
| 21:12.09 | outlaw84 | wonder if you computer gets hacked just by entering that site :) |
| 21:12.10 | ErikRose | Maybe it's because I did a simple `aptitude install thepackage` instead of `aptitude -t unstable install the package`. |
| 21:12.18 | ErikRose | (The latter is what worked.) |
| 21:12.19 | CharminTheMoose | could i have a problem if i get a kick out of watching things compile and that i enjoy compiling kernels? |
| 21:12.26 | maasha | outlaw84: of cause nsa's data storage farm include both google's and yahoo's |
| 21:12.38 | ErikRose | CharminTheMoose: I have that problem, too. It makes me feel productive without working. :-) |
| 21:13.11 | outlaw84 | maasha: yea just think of how much redundant information there is stored! |
| 21:13.14 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 21:13.29 | outlaw84 | if we all could just share! |
| 21:13.36 | outlaw84 | :) |
| 21:14.07 | vanisher | does anyone has experience with eclipse compared to zend? |
| 21:15.19 | gan|y|med | ok, mldonkey is searching like crazy but cannot find any file i would like to download... normal? |
| 21:16.14 | maasha | hm - actually i should get a photo from star trek instead ... |
| 21:16.14 | maasha | or a 2001 monolith |
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| 21:16.15 | maasha | they all look the same |
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| 21:20.41 | ErikRose | Crap! No, I have not solved my distribution-leakage problem. |
| 21:20.47 | RvGaTe | Can i safely resize my ext3 partition without breaking the system? (i want it to be larger) |
| 21:20.48 | ErikRose | adduser 3.100 still installs. |
| 21:22.02 | odla | RvGaTe, probably...use gparted |
| 21:22.16 | ErikRose | How on earth can I use one unstable package without dist-upgrade moving me all the way to unstable next time I run it?? |
| 21:22.43 | odla | ErikRose, pinning, preferences, or apt-get install package |
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| 21:23.17 | ErikRose | I specified APT::Default-Release "testing";, but it didn't seem to have any effect. |
| 21:23.32 | ErikRose | Are there any other prefs I should look at? |
| 21:23.45 | ErikRose | (Thanks.) |
| 21:23.51 | odla | ErikRose, and you add sid to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:24.03 | ErikRose | Yes, and then after I had the package I wanted, I removed it again. |
| 21:24.03 | odla | ErikRose, you should be able to apt-get -t sid install foo |
| 21:24.10 | ErikRose | That's exactly what I did. |
| 21:24.27 | odla | or apt-get install foo-versionnumber |
| 21:24.27 | ErikRose | Then I removed sid from sources.list, did an update, but then dist-upgrade moved me all the way to unstable. |
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| 21:24.41 | odla | nope...you still have sid there |
| 21:24.53 | ErikRose | Where is it? |
| 21:25.12 | odla | must have been in your source.list |
| 21:25.21 | odla | but i have to go |
| 21:25.23 | ErikRose | The only 2 uncommented lines in sources.list say "testing" and "testing/updates" on them. :-P |
| 21:25.28 | ErikRose | Thanks for trying. |
| 21:25.44 | odla | ask abrotman |
| 21:25.58 | odla | he is all knowing |
| 21:26.42 | karsten | odla: s/knowing/carp/ |
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| 21:26.42 | karsten | odla: s/ar/ra/ |
| 21:26.42 | odla | carp? like the fish? |
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| 21:26.50 | odla | abrotman is a carp! |
| 21:27.11 | ErikRose | lol |
| 21:27.22 | rahul | no, he's made of bread |
| 21:27.25 | ErikRose | abrotman: Might I bother you? You come recommended. :-) |
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| 21:29.02 | seb- | how install one unstable package on etch? |
| 21:29.16 | sid | heh |
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| 21:29.17 | ErikRose | seb-: That's what I'm trying to figure out. I know how it _should_ work. :-) |
| 21:29.26 | wols_ | !tell seb- about simple sid backport |
| 21:29.35 | sid | ErikRose: What program did you install? |
| 21:29.41 | ErikRose | libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 21:29.53 | odla | !tell Erikrose seb- about mixed system |
| 21:30.03 | odla | !tell Erikrose about mixed system |
| 21:30.10 | odla | !tell seb- about mixed system |
| 21:30.14 | ErikRose | I read section 3.8 of the manual. |
| 21:30.21 | ErikRose | I did that. It screwed up my box. |
| 21:30.22 | sid | ErikRose: next time...only add deb-src unstable line, and # apt-get build-dep libapache2-mod-fastcgi; apt-get source libapache2-mod-fastcgi; |
| 21:30.23 | odla | it should be noted that dpkg was very mouthy to me about that first command |
| 21:30.26 | sid | ErikRose: And compile from source. |
| 21:30.34 | odla | <dpkg> No, odla, I won't |
| 21:30.37 | odla | ha ha |
| 21:30.51 | ErikRose | sid: From source, huh? Whyzat? |
| 21:31.06 | wols_ | ErikRose: dependencies, that's why |
| 21:31.07 | sid | ErikRose: So you don't fuck up your system. |
| 21:31.33 | ErikRose | Actually mod-fastcgi doesn't have any (unsatisfied on my box) dependencies. |
| 21:31.41 | sid | ErikRose: mixing unstable deb lines(in sources.list) and testing deb lines can be very dangerous. |
| 21:32.05 | ErikRose | Ohhhh, do you think when I did that dist-upgrade, it upgraded all that crap because it thought they were dependencies of mod-fastcgi? |
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| 21:32.31 | ErikRose | Note: it did not screw up my box on `aptitude -t unstable install mod-fastcgi`--only on the later dist-upgrade. |
| 21:32.52 | ErikRose | In other words, the install installed only mod-fastcgi and no other packages. |
| 21:33.25 | seb- | odla: danku betty much |
| 21:33.29 | CharminTheMoose | question:is it possible to load a program like loadlin using dosemu? |
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| 21:34.41 | Linux_Jones | hey |
| 21:34.50 | madriss | hi :) |
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| 21:35.21 | marcin_ | ale ludu |
| 21:35.37 | madriss | when i edit resolv.conf using nano /etc/resolv.conf, it forgets the changes after i reboot. how can i save it permanently? |
| 21:35.51 | Linux_Jones | how do change my kernel from 386 to 686? |
| 21:36.12 | odla | Linux_Jones, apt-get install linux-image-686 or what ever it's called...then reboot |
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| 21:37.21 | madriss | i use nano, then make changes, then ctrl + X, then y, then enter. and it forgets it after i reboot |
| 21:38.06 | rahul | madriss: your using dhcp or ppp? |
| 21:38.09 | Linux_Jones | olda is there a way to find out whatever its called? |
| 21:38.16 | rahul | !penixstrike |
| 21:38.16 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:38.20 | madriss | not 100% sure but i think dhcp |
| 21:38.20 | rahul | you"'re" |
| 21:38.27 | madriss | its a broadband connection through a router |
| 21:38.29 | jatt | madriss: do you have resolvconf installed? |
| 21:38.34 | rahul | madriss: dhcp can send down a nameserver in the response |
| 21:38.47 | madriss | i nano /etc/resolv.conf and change the nameserver to 4.2.2.2 |
| 21:38.54 | madriss | then apt-get works if i do that |
| 21:39.00 | madriss | it just forgets the changes once i reboot |
| 21:40.09 | odla | Linux_Jones, yes...apt-cache search linux-image or use synaptic |
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| 21:42.26 | rahul | !info sbcl |
| 21:42.36 | rahul | bah |
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| 21:42.43 | rahul | !penixstrike dpkg |
| 21:42.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dpkg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:42.44 | dpkg | sbcl: (A Common Lisp compiler and development system), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.0.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8411 kB, Installed size: 28440 kB |
| 21:42.44 | FerchoLP2 | instale el debian con el primer cd, pero ahora estoy bajando el dvd. Para que el apt reconozca todo lo del dvd solo tengo que poner el dvd y hacer apt-update? |
| 21:42.49 | rahul | sweet. |
| 21:42.53 | Linux_Jones | ok, how do i set up sudo so i can run synaptic |
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| 21:44.39 | phr0st_e | question...I'm installing vmware server on etch...first thing it asks for is "where is killall"...as far as I can tell, only pkill exists |
| 21:45.01 | phr0st_e | can I just symlink killall to pkill? |
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| 21:47.13 | h3sp4wn | phr0st_e: psmisc: /usr/bin/killall |
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| 21:47.31 | h3sp4wn | phr0st_e: (don't know why you don't have it my etch certainly does) |
| 21:47.32 | marcin_ | hi @ all |
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| 21:47.43 | marcin_ | SIEMSS ?????!!!!!????!!??!!!! |
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| 21:47.49 | phr0st_e | odd |
| 21:47.50 | r3x | anyone help me outhere |
| 21:47.54 | marcin_ | GI @ ALL !!!???????!!!!?????????????!!11111111 |
| 21:47.56 | phr0st_e | I don't have it in there |
| 21:47.57 | r3x | canvasItem.h:21:21: error: qcanvas.h: No such file or directory |
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| 21:47.59 | r3x | canvasItem.h:22:25: error: qpointarray.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:48.01 | r3x | canvasItem.cpp:65:8: warning: "/*" within comment |
| 21:48.02 | r3x | canvasItem.h:29: error: expected class-name before ‘{’ token |
| 21:48.05 | marcin_ | HI @ ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!????!!!!????????!!! |
| 21:48.16 | marcin_ | --OMEGA .......ON ?¿? |
| 21:48.22 | marcin_ | HI @ ALL |
| 21:48.23 | r3x | make[1]: *** [canvasItem.o] Error 1 |
| 21:48.25 | r3x | make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/f4l-0.2.1/src' |
| 21:48.26 | r3x | make: *** [sub-src-make_default] Error 2 |
| 21:48.31 | marcin_ | HI @ ALL |
| 21:48.34 | marcin_ | hi @ all |
| 21:48.35 | r3x | from f4L |
| 21:48.38 | marcin_ | $siema!!!111oneeleven |
| 21:48.43 | phr0st_e | bizarre...so I wonder how to get it back onto my system (however it got taken off) |
| 21:48.45 | r3x | flash editor |
| 21:48.51 | marcin_ | COLOR ::) |
| 21:48.51 | Blastur | hey! Is it possible to access another subnet on my LAN without changing my IP? Like, I'm on the network 192.168.0.* and want to access a certain other computer, 192.168.1.1? I heard that you could possibly add a route to it manually, is this possible in debian? |
| 21:49.00 | r3x | F L A S H E D I T O R |
| 21:49.10 | r3x | please? |
| 21:49.12 | marcin_ | siema |
| 21:49.15 | r3x | :D |
| 21:49.17 | marcin_ | co powiecie? |
| 21:49.23 | r3x | if somene caught for now |
| 21:49.24 | marcin_ | i use dau |
| 21:49.30 | r3x | caught it |
| 21:49.35 | marcin_ | i thing it's good |
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| 21:50.18 | marcin_ | ::) |
| 21:50.31 | yoshi1 | r3x: "apt-file search qpointarray.h" says that file is in 'libqt3-headers', so install that |
| 21:51.03 | marcin_ | i love U B U N T U |
| 21:51.12 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 21:51.13 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:52.17 | marcin_ | i'm on ubuntu |
| 21:52.23 | marcin_ | channel |
| 21:52.27 | wols_ | poor you |
| 21:52.29 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 21:52.29 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 21:53.00 | marcin_ | is he bot? |
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| 21:53.10 | marcin_ | debian |
| 21:53.10 | stew | marcin_: please keep it on topic |
| 21:53.20 | stew | marcin_: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 21:53.35 | marcin_ | fuck |
| 21:54.26 | abrotman | that's not a question |
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| 21:54.46 | blondie | gentoo is making me angry ;.; |
| 21:54.49 | blondie | it fucking sucks |
| 21:54.52 | stew | ... |
| 21:55.11 | schme | How about that Debian, huh? |
| 21:55.15 | phr0st_e | bleh...manually copied over killall from another machine...that was annoying that it wasn't there |
| 21:55.20 | dareth | For Gentoo to suck, it must first stop compiling.... |
| 21:55.28 | stew | stop, gentoo is off-topic as well |
| 21:55.29 | blondie | I used a liveCD |
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| 21:55.39 | blondie | there isn't a debian live CD is there? |
| 21:55.45 | h3sp4wn | phr0st_e: Why did you not just install psmisc ? |
| 21:55.49 | dareth | I guess Knoppix offtopic too eh? |
| 21:55.53 | itchi | blondie: There is |
| 21:55.53 | schme | phr0st_e: apt-get install psmisc |
| 21:55.57 | stew | blondie: yes, not yet official, live.debian.net |
| 21:56.00 | blondie | itchi: orly. |
| 21:56.05 | dareth | Can we discuss Woody, or that too old too? |
| 21:56.07 | schme | phr0st_e: or what h3sp4wn said :D |
| 21:56.25 | blondie | knoppix is an icky kde thing, and not debian |
| 21:56.32 | blondie | im cross. |
| 21:56.32 | stew | and also off-topic |
| 21:56.39 | dareth | I'm running KDE on Debian right now... |
| 21:56.40 | blondie | well |
| 21:57.15 | blondie | if I installed debian on a USB drive, how do you get it to work like a live CD so that it uses the right video/network/etc drivers for the PC it's plugged into? |
| 21:57.25 | blondie | instead of having to change the config files every time |
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| 21:58.22 | Linux_Jones | what file do i put ndiswrapper in so i dont have to modprobe it everytime? |
| 21:58.31 | blondie | /etc/modules? |
| 21:58.57 | schme | Won't the boot process autodetect most network cards and what not and load the appropriate modules? And use vesa for X, and you are all set.. ? |
| 21:59.08 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 21:59.24 | itchi | Linux_Jones: /etc/modules |
| 21:59.31 | blondie | pfft |
| 21:59.36 | Linux_Jones | thanks |
| 22:00.05 | blondie | schme: that's not how this livecd does it |
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| 22:00.15 | solid_liq | blondie: try putting an image of Knoppix on it |
| 22:00.17 | blondie | it has the right driver in xorg.conf (radeon) |
| 22:00.25 | Linux_Jones | now how can i fix it so i dont have to do ifup wlan0 and iwconfig wlan0 key blah blah blah essid blah blah |
| 22:00.28 | blondie | knoppix is too big and I dont like kde |
| 22:00.33 | schme | blondie: Ok. How does your liveD do it? |
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| 22:00.59 | itchi | Linux_Jones: Configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:01.06 | solid_liq | blondie: you can make your own custom version of Knoppix. Also, learn to like KDE ;) j/k |
| 22:01.10 | schme | blondie: Well that is just a matter of matching some strings from the startup and changing the xorg.conf. put it in on of the rcS scripts |
| 22:01.13 | abrotman | solid_liq: stop already |
| 22:01.23 | bkw | I've cpufreqd running, but when I do cpufreqd-set dynamic I get No cpufreqd socket found. |
| 22:01.26 | blondie | schme: I don't know |
| 22:01.27 | blondie | ffs |
| 22:01.27 | solid_liq | abrotman: what? Knoppix is a debian distro |
| 22:01.31 | abrotman | NO IT IS NOT |
| 22:01.31 | stew | solid_liq: please keep it on topic |
| 22:01.38 | solid_liq | we |
| 22:01.39 | stew | solid_liq: its not, and its off-topic |
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| 22:01.54 | schme | blondie: It seems very easy :) |
| 22:01.54 | blondie | i dont want to use fucking knoppix, i want to use debian ffs |
| 22:02.13 | blondie | anyway X is only one problem. |
| 22:02.15 | blondie | sigh |
| 22:02.21 | schme | blondie: just write a sh script that greps the bootmessages and changes the xorg.conf accordingly. |
| 22:02.28 | peterS | wtf, what is marcin_ smoking? |
| 22:02.30 | solid_liq | blondie: anyway, you need to modify your init scripts to autoload all the kernel modules and setup the hardware correctly. May take quite a bit of scripting to get it all right |
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| 22:02.54 | itchi | blondie: Go #debian-livecd |
| 22:02.54 | abrotman | peterS: bricks? |
| 22:02.59 | abrotman | on OFTC |
| 22:03.05 | solid_liq | blondie: as schme said, the most important part will probably be the xorg.conf selection |
| 22:03.13 | blondie | im not going on oftc tyvm |
| 22:03.45 | itchi | blondie: Look how i did /msg chanserv list *debian*live* |
| 22:03.47 | solid_liq | blondie: modprobing all the modules early in the init process should help garuantee that all the hardware is detected as intended |
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| 22:05.08 | h08817 | i was wondering how much space you must have on ur hd to install debian |
| 22:05.16 | h3sp4wn | the kernel automodule loader can take care of that |
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| 22:05.43 | peterS | h08817: depends on what you want, I think if you're careful you can get a useful install in 200 MB or so. if you aren't so careful you might need 500 MB |
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| 22:06.44 | lawl | LOLGOATSEX |
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| 22:07.05 | peterS | one wonders why lawl wastes the bandwidth |
| 22:07.11 | blondie | how very fucking funny that way |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | it's a bot? |
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| 22:08.05 | streuner | pinging a bot would tell you about... |
| 22:08.08 | peterS | abrotman: oh, could be, in which case I wonder who would have so much free time that it's worth wasting that much writing a bot that is that useless |
| 22:08.19 | streuner | bots usually don't reply version (CCTP) |
| 22:08.21 | Linux_Jones | is there a way to make pump -i wlan0 work at boot instead of dhclient? |
| 22:08.34 | h08817 | peterS, o wow thats extremely small thats what i need |
| 22:08.45 | mhall | I am wondering if anybody knows a C-based scripting language which can handle low-level stuff like unsigned stuff from packets. |
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| 22:08.50 | dondelelcaro | Linux_Jones: you're really better off using dhclient; but ifupdown will use pump if dhclient isn't installed. |
| 22:09.11 | peterS | h08817: oh a "default" install with GUI apps and stuff will probably come in a lot higher than 500 MB. I don't know exactly how high, offhand. |
| 22:09.17 | seb- | mhall: perl and python? |
| 22:09.25 | Linux_Jones | dhclient is installed but dosent seem to work for me |
| 22:09.40 | h08817 | peterS, you said if im careful well how am i supposed to do that? are there certain packages to eliminate during the install or are there installs that are generally small? |
| 22:09.49 | dondelelcaro | Linux_Jones: in what way? In general, if dhclient isn't working, pump won't work either. |
| 22:09.52 | solid_liq | mhall: well, PHP is rather C-like |
| 22:09.55 | mhall | seb-: i think i explained badly, i mean one of those ones that uses C syntax but with an interpreter and some friendliness extensions / a library |
| 22:09.58 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, the opposite is often the case) |
| 22:10.28 | peterS | h08817: well, the idea is you install just the base system, and then when it pulls up the 'task selection' thing, don't select anything. then you run aptitude and remove stuff you don't want, before installing other stuff you do want |
| 22:10.32 | mhall | seb-: the trick is, in the long run i need to talk to Java, and the only way to do that is C/C++ |
| 22:10.33 | solid_liq | mhall: PHP is probably the closest, at least that I can think of |
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| 22:10.46 | dondelelcaro | php is hardly C like... |
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| 22:10.47 | roe_ | does anyone know if libdvdcss2 works with disney DVDs? |
| 22:10.51 | mhall | seb-: but i don't want to get bogged down by the C ugliness when doing the development at first |
| 22:11.00 | streuner | roe_: heh |
| 22:11.00 | bkw | hm, nobody who has the speedstep scaling working with the default debian kernel? |
| 22:11.00 | solid_liq | dondelelcaro: it's a lot more C like than Python or Perl |
| 22:11.01 | seb- | mhall: um, python can talk to java....see jython |
| 22:11.11 | peterS | h08817: don't take my numbers as absolute truth, though, I haven't tried to do a small install since probably 2001 or so |
| 22:11.12 | mhall | seb-: ah sweet, i didn't hear of that before |
| 22:11.12 | bkw | I wonder if cpufreqd is a must? |
| 22:11.19 | roe_ | streuner: should I be discouraged by that response? :) |
| 22:11.21 | Linux_Jones | so do i hve to put all the network ips and all that stuff in /etc/network/interfaces if im using dhcp? |
| 22:11.22 | robin_sz | Wow .. I just had an idea to save money this Christmas .... instwad of buying cards, I'll use SCO share certificates. Theyre cheaper/ |
| 22:11.40 | streuner | roe_: you should ask yourself about 'smart' questions :-) |
| 22:11.45 | blondie | robin_sz: no |
| 22:11.51 | mhall | robin_sz: nice |
| 22:11.52 | peterS | solid_liq: wtf, no it isn't, it's more perl like than anything. but without many of perl's useful features |
| 22:11.52 | blondie | instead of buying cards, just dont buy anything |
| 22:12.02 | blondie | xmas cards are a waste of money and paper |
| 22:12.12 | solid_liq | mhall: I think you'll like Python a lot though if you can get used to the syntax. You can make your C and C++ programs scriptable with python rather easily too, which is a nice bonux |
| 22:12.15 | mhall | ++(blondie->missedJokeCounter); |
| 22:12.19 | blondie | well so is xmas in geneeral |
| 22:12.23 | roe_ | streuner: I guess |
| 22:12.28 | blondie | waste of money, time, resources |
| 22:12.40 | robin_sz | but I enjoy wasting stuff |
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| 22:12.55 | roe_ | streuner: I guess I thought it was only a "stupid" question if your asking from the US |
| 22:12.55 | pihhan | hello |
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| 22:13.03 | mhall | solid_liq: ya that's what i was trying to avoid, is an ugly low-level approach, i wanna use something nice and new and clean |
| 22:13.15 | mhall | solid_liq: we have 200K+ lines of absolute crap C++ i'd like to replace |
| 22:13.18 | solid_liq | peterS: syntactically it's more like C than either of those two. It was intentionally DESIGNED to be C-like. rtfm |
| 22:13.23 | Linux_Jones | so do i hve to put all the network ips and all that stuff in /etc/network/interfaces if im using dhcp? |
| 22:13.38 | blondie | snap your disney DVDs in half! |
| 22:13.49 | streuner | roe_: those restrictions are gone, IIRC |
| 22:13.52 | mhall | blondie: luckily i have none, blecch |
| 22:13.59 | FluxAR | Hello! I have a problem with dpkg. I tried to install k3d and something was broken in dpkg database. Now I get an error when I try to use apt-get and dpkg ( pasted in : http://pastebin.ca/272309 ) ... Could someone help me to restore or rebuild dpkg database please? Thank you! |
| 22:14.06 | pihhan | Linux_Jones, no, just set interface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 22:14.11 | streuner | roe_: /msg dpkg non-us |
| 22:14.14 | peterS | solid_liq: what is C-like about auto-expanding arrays? what is C-like about hashes? what is C-like about dynamic typing and lack of variable declaration? |
| 22:14.23 | solid_liq | mhall: hmmm, too bad the D language isn't ready for production use yet. That's probably what you're wishing for. It's being created by Walter Bright. Google should tell you about it |
| 22:14.27 | mhall | peterS: AWK does those things and it's pretty C-like |
| 22:14.39 | Linux_Jones | perhaps wlan0 inet dhcp? |
| 22:14.50 | mhall | solid_liq: i saw one D language made by the creator of digital mars' compilers, it was good but no source for the compiler |
| 22:14.57 | peterS | solid_liq: and what is C-like about using $ in front of all your variables? |
| 22:14.57 | Linux_Jones | then how do i set up the wep key and ssid? |
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| 22:15.09 | mhall | solid_liq: current codebase is locked into a huge amount of *gasp* windows 32-bit dlls and it's hurting BADLY |
| 22:15.10 | pihhan | peterS, all that is possible in C, if you write good functions for it :) |
| 22:15.26 | peterS | solid_liq: only if you don't know perl could you say php is more C-like than Perl-like |
| 22:15.41 | mhall | solid_liq: so i'm trying to go for a highly open-source approach, which has to be shoehorned to windows, rather than a highly windows approach that has to be shoehorned to opensource |
| 22:15.49 | peterS | mhall: count your blessings, it could be 16-bit DLLs |
| 22:15.55 | thelostbutler | FluxAR: #unbuntu please :) |
| 22:16.00 | mhall | peterS: don't get me started on a friday :-D |
| 22:16.04 | peterS | hehe |
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| 22:16.25 | pihhan | well |
| 22:16.32 | solid_liq | mhall: yeah, it won't be ready for probably 3-5 years or more |
| 22:16.32 | pihhan | which language is not perl-like? |
| 22:16.32 | solid_liq | peterS: you know that is how things are done in AWK, right? You also know that AWK was created by the same guys who created C, and that they wanted to keep the syntax similar, right??? |
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| 22:16.46 | kupesoft | is there a way to format a drive with nfts with debian? |
| 22:16.52 | peterS | solid_liq: yes. and that has zero to do with my point |
| 22:16.58 | streuner | kupesoft: no |
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| 22:17.15 | pihhan | kupesoft, there is not formatting, there we call it making file system |
| 22:17.23 | peterS | solid_liq: except awk doesn't use $ in front of variable names, either. that is something from perl (and somewhat from bourne shell). |
| 22:17.26 | solid_liq | mhall: well, adding layers of abstraction is always the easy solution in cs problems like that |
| 22:17.26 | streuner | kupesoft: but look at (nfts) sf.net website, maybe iam wrong :-) |
| 22:17.32 | pihhan | kupesoft, there is not reliable ntfs filesystem making utility yet |
| 22:17.34 | dondelelcaro | kupesoft: ntfsutils has an mkntfs; but I don't know how well it works. |
| 22:17.47 | mhall | kupesoft: there is one, it works, it makes an older version of NTFS |
| 22:17.51 | solid_liq | peterS: cat file | awk '{ print $1 }' |
| 22:17.53 | mhall | kupesoft: now here is the trick |
| 22:18.01 | streuner | kupesoft: but its dangerous |
| 22:18.05 | peterS | solid_liq: I'm not talking about $1, I'm talking about arbitrary variables |
| 22:18.20 | mhall | kupesoft: when windows boots, it does a conversion of the ntfs to a newer revision, with NO chance to back it out |
| 22:18.29 | dondelelcaro | and perl only uses them when you want a scalar... |
| 22:18.32 | mhall | kupesoft: the conversion will not harm the data however, according to my tests |
| 22:18.33 | peterS | solid_liq: and the lack of parentheses used in the print function kind of demonstrates my point, too. that's not C-like at all. |
| 22:18.42 | kupesoft | So I should just format a drive under windows? |
| 22:18.49 | streuner | yes |
| 22:19.02 | mhall | kupesoft: you can do it in linux, just think it through, google, make sure it will work the way you want |
| 22:19.03 | kupesoft | okay, thanks |
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| 22:19.15 | kupesoft | I was wondering if there was a quick, stable way |
| 22:19.19 | mhall | peterS: printf, however, *requires* them in awk ;-) |
| 22:19.30 | kupesoft | I'm just formatted a blank drive for an external hard drive for someone who's a windows user. |
| 22:19.36 | kupesoft | I'll format it with their computer, |
| 22:19.46 | mhall | kupesoft: well, generally no, it's a proprietary unspecified FS |
| 22:19.46 | peterS | mhall: great, magic operators that don't require the usual syntax rules. sounds much more like perl than like C. (: |
| 22:19.52 | solid_liq | mhall: so you're restarting this project of 200k sloc from scratch or what? |
| 22:20.03 | mhall | solid_liq: well, it's *HIDEOUS* |
| 22:20.16 | mhall | solid_liq: littered with windows api, depends upon 32-bit DLLs with no source |
| 22:20.30 | mhall | solid_liq: tons of pointless registry calls for stupid static magic secret values |
| 22:20.41 | mhall | solid_liq: too many layers of abstraction for such an IO-bound codebase |
| 22:20.42 | Linux_Jones | auto wlan0 |
| 22:20.42 | Linux_Jones | iface wlan0 inet dhcp is that right? and then a new line "wireless-essid blah blah" "mode-managed" "keymode-restricted" "key-blah blah" "defaultkey 1" does that look right for /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:20.45 | solid_liq | mhall: have you considered using a C++ library like qt? It's cross platform and abstracts everything for you, plus it's easier to get a CFO to sign off on it because it's backed by a company |
| 22:20.50 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:20.51 | mhall | solid_liq: tons of useless historical cruft |
| 22:21.07 | mhall | solid_liq: luckily this code is an implementation detail of a much larger product |
| 22:21.13 | Mazingaro | please I'd like to know if there are PC keyboards with no windows keys |
| 22:21.16 | Mazingaro | tcx |
| 22:21.18 | Mazingaro | thanks |
| 22:21.21 | solid_liq | mhall: yeah I know the drill with windows code. spent too much time working on it myself |
| 22:21.25 | mhall | solid_liq: so as long as the license is LGPL / BSD it should be fine |
| 22:21.29 | peterS | Mazingaro: what? of course there are, did you think there were no PC keyboards before Windows 95 came out? |
| 22:21.33 | parsonsd | Mazingaro : sure. i use one. |
| 22:21.34 | mhall | solid_liq: sorry, it was friday and i needed to RANT |
| 22:21.42 | streuner | mhall: some cool music :-) http://scfire-nyk0l-2.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1043 |
| 22:21.51 | mhall | Mazingaro: you can get, for example (since i work there) an HP USB unix workstation keyboard |
| 22:21.57 | peterS | Mazingaro: if you go to any used computer parts store you'll find lots of them, probably in a big box labeled "Keyboards, $5 each" |
| 22:22.03 | solid_liq | mhall: it's GPL/trolltech public license, which means you need to pay like two grand or so per developer seat for commercial use |
| 22:22.07 | mhall | Mazingaro: they have the key, with the scancode you can use the same, but another logo |
| 22:22.20 | mhall | Mazingaro: somebody makes a kbd with a penguin key that's the same idea |
| 22:22.22 | Linux_Jones | anyone? |
| 22:22.26 | streuner | mhall: old 60er and 70er music with hippie-songs :-) |
| 22:22.28 | solid_liq | mhall: unless you release the code as open source, that is |
| 22:22.47 | mhall | solid_liq: yeah thing is, we don't need most of Qt's features for this |
| 22:22.53 | Mazingaro | HP USB unix workstation keyboard |
| 22:22.54 | peterS | solid_liq: you assume his company releases the product at all, as opposed to just using it internally |
| 22:23.11 | mhall | peterS: it's part of commercial sw :-/ |
| 22:23.15 | solid_liq | mhall: it has no GUI? |
| 22:23.19 | peterS | mhall: ahh |
| 22:23.19 | mhall | solid_liq: not this module |
| 22:23.31 | Mazingaro | mhall: where I can buy them? |
| 22:23.32 | mhall | solid_liq: this module is a decoder, the GUI's already baked and working |
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| 22:23.43 | mhall | Mazingaro: try googling linux penguin keyboard |
| 22:23.48 | mhall | Mazingaro: it comes with Penguin keys |
| 22:23.52 | solid_liq | mhall: they do have a version of qt that's just for backend code, and is cheaper than the full qt library |
| 22:24.02 | solid_liq | mhall: it's like half the price |
| 22:24.12 | mhall | Mazingaro: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39164303,00.htm |
| 22:24.17 | itchi | Mazingaro: Look to 'HHKB' |
| 22:24.26 | mhall | Mazingaro: btw fwiw the cherry brand of KBs are real nice KBs |
| 22:24.32 | mhall | Mazingaro: they use topgrade microswitches |
| 22:24.41 | mhall | Mazingaro: like in video game controllers |
| 22:24.52 | solid_liq | mhall: key selling point to your boss: it'll cut development time in half. That alone will more than pay for the cost of the license |
| 22:25.00 | Mazingaro | mhall: good |
| 22:25.09 | mhall | solid_liq: well i don't think this has to be so complicated really |
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| 22:25.37 | solid_liq | mhall: what nonstandard libraries will it depend upon? networking, ...? |
| 22:25.40 | mhall | solid_liq: we have good hackers to work on this project, i think what we need is just getting away from C, and the rest is a nobrainer |
| 22:25.46 | solid_liq | mhall: configuration? |
| 22:26.07 | mhall | solid_liq: really, it takes packet samples in on UDP, then decodes them and makes statistics, as well as passing out subsections of the data to people who want it |
| 22:26.21 | mhall | solid_liq: that's why the current design is so stupid |
| 22:26.28 | mhall | solid_liq: this job does not need 200,000 lines |
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| 22:26.53 | solid_liq | mhall: so it's just a network centric app, and the code otherwise can be just ISO/IEEE C++97? |
| 22:27.08 | mhall | solid_liq: it should really be doing the processing, placing data into a DB, and the other people should come get the little bit of data they want with triggers and stored procedures, etc. |
| 22:27.31 | solid_liq | mhall: ok, so network and db |
| 22:27.37 | mhall | solid_liq: we already got a DB which is OK, it's just, the current code writing to the DB is ugly, it doesn't use indexes and good normalization and it's too proprietary |
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| 22:27.53 | mhall | solid_liq: you could probably even do it without a DB using a good properly conceived observer pattern |
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| 22:28.05 | solid_liq | mhall: I'm sure you could |
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| 22:28.41 | solid_liq | mhall: I've practically never had to use a DB. Mostly I've developed multimedia and emedded systems code, but still, it's usually avoidable |
| 22:28.44 | mhall | solid_liq: the db's a nice approach though, because you can let the producers and consumers do things the way that's convenient, and the DB makes it safe and friendly |
| 22:28.59 | mhall | solid_liq: trick is though, like you said, DBs are kinda pokey |
| 22:29.08 | solid_liq | mhall: no kidding |
| 22:29.15 | asdx | what xorg version does debian uses? |
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| 22:29.27 | mhall | !tell asdx about pdo |
| 22:29.29 | streuner | asdx: which version of debian? |
| 22:29.35 | solid_liq | mhall: we'll, it's a balance. No db==faster app, db==faster development cycle |
| 22:29.40 | mhall | solid_liq: right |
| 22:29.52 | asdx | streuner: i don't know |
| 22:29.54 | solid_liq | mhall: what's more important to your project? |
| 22:29.54 | asdx | streuner: latest |
| 22:30.08 | mhall | solid_liq: my thinking is maybe compromise, and stick with the DB, but clean up the approach and make some library code |
| 22:30.18 | streuner | asdx: show us in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) your sources.list |
| 22:30.19 | peterS | solid_liq: heh, with sqlite you get both, but only if you don't need a lot of scalability (: |
| 22:30.25 | sid | asdx: There are three branches of Debian GNU/Linux sarge(stable) uses XFree86, testing(etch) uses xorg 7.1, and unstable(sid) uses xorg 7.1 |
| 22:30.27 | mhall | solid_liq: make it so, you call some observerish methods, that run some triggers / procedures for you |
| 22:30.28 | solid_liq | mhall: abstract the db code as much as possible? |
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| 22:30.42 | solid_liq | mhall: 'zactly :D |
| 22:30.44 | mhall | solid_liq: right, that way later if you reimplement the object model a little, everybody will be cool |
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| 22:31.09 | solid_liq | mhall: I'm a huge fan of abstraction personally |
| 22:31.11 | mhall | solid_liq: and if they broke the rules a little cause they needed performance, well, patch it later on the friendly way |
| 22:31.18 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 22:31.24 | solid_liq | mhall: right |
| 22:31.26 | sid | !greet confrey |
| 22:31.26 | dpkg | Salutations, confrey |
| 22:31.28 | mhall | solid_liq: @deprecate the methods they called, then remove them when you're not near a release |
| 22:31.40 | solid_liq | mhall: good strategy |
| 22:31.47 | mhall | solid_liq: it's just, i'm real new so this is kind of a tough subject to figure out |
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| 22:32.18 | solid_liq | mhall: well, I'd start with abstracting the network code and the db code, twice each |
| 22:32.21 | confrey | is there e sw to speak on internet by IP to IP, like Roger Wilco does in windows? |
| 22:32.38 | solid_liq | mhall: if you want it crossplatform, you need to create two thin layers rather than one thick layer for each |
| 22:32.39 | pihhan | confrey, linphone for example |
| 22:32.46 | blondie | confrey: what?! |
| 22:33.02 | solid_liq | mhall: then you use an #ifdef to bring in the lower-level thin layer pertinent to each os |
| 22:33.03 | mhall | solid_liq: yeah, i'm figuring on maybe starting out very trivial, decode the date to the console |
| 22:33.16 | pihhan | confrey, if you want team chat, try teamspeak linux client |
| 22:33.17 | mhall | solid_liq: then use test instruments to send random packets |
| 22:33.24 | mhall | solid_liq: and make sure i don't crash or screw up |
| 22:33.26 | solid_liq | mhall: in the higher level abstraction, you do real the real work |
| 22:33.49 | mhall | solid_liq: then, after i get the decodes working i'll make the object model |
| 22:33.51 | solid_liq | mhall: random packets can be good, but you really want lots of real world data thrown at it too |
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| 22:33.57 | mhall | solid_liq: yeah of course |
| 22:34.01 | confrey | pihhan, I only want to speak with my son, who is using roger wilco in windows, at first floor.... |
| 22:34.12 | mhall | solid_liq: but real data is kinda random anyways, these are sampled packets |
| 22:34.25 | solid_liq | mhall: you also want targeted data, meaning throw values at it that are out of range but should be properly handled by your bounds checking |
| 22:34.34 | pihhan | confrey, dont know what roger wilco is using, linphone is SIP compliant VoIP |
| 22:34.35 | mhall | solid_liq: right |
| 22:34.42 | solid_liq | mhall: make sure you can't crash it if you try |
| 22:34.55 | pihhan | confrey, propriletary programs dont always have linux equivalents. |
| 22:35.05 | mhall | solid_liq: one thing that will be nice is, if i use a non-C language, i might get bad data but at least i won't corrupt or cause security problems |
| 22:35.12 | solid_liq | mhall: and leave it running all weekend long, and all night long on a daily basis, to see if some error accumulates through some counter or something |
| 22:35.17 | mhall | solid_liq: that's why i'm trying to move to something more dynamic |
| 22:35.17 | pihhan | confrey, you can try running windows program with wine, but not always succesfull |
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| 22:35.31 | mhall | solid_liq: and also of course make sure i'm not hanging onto references and causing leaks |
| 22:35.49 | mhall | solid_liq: this is a thing where some serious xUnit coding is in order |
| 22:35.55 | solid_liq | mhall: but, that can also hide problems until you have enough code that it becomes extremely difficult to drill down to the source of the problems |
| 22:36.11 | mhall | solid_liq: yeah true |
| 22:36.23 | mhall | solid_liq: i'm not too worried about it though, we have some good hackers |
| 22:36.23 | solid_liq | mhall: the nice thing with languages like C and C++ is that the problems tend to come to the surface much sooner |
| 22:36.40 | mhall | solid_liq: people with 25-30 years experience, they have coded before i was alive even |
| 22:36.43 | tralala | why would I get some of the greek letters missing in my browsers (konqueror, firefox) while the others are displayed correctly? I have sarge and I do have greek fonts installed. |
| 22:36.46 | solid_liq | mhall: the longer it takes for them to surface, the more likely your project will fail |
| 22:37.11 | mhall | solid_liq: i'm not so worried about that, we always have the old code |
| 22:37.17 | mhall | solid_liq: and it pretty much works |
| 22:37.19 | pihhan | tralala, try deinstalling bitstream vera font |
| 22:37.27 | mhall | solid_liq: if i had no code at all, then it'd be more of a concern |
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| 22:37.51 | pihhan | tralala, as it does not contain most of special characters, and many programs is using it as default, because the font is nice |
| 22:38.29 | solid_liq | mhall: I've been coding for over 20 years myself, and one thing I've learned is that it's nearly impossible to replace C or C++ with a scripting language if you don't want your project to fail |
| 22:38.29 | solid_liq | mhall: scripting languages baby you too much, and that makes them great for small projects, but can cause you nightmares in anything larger |
| 22:38.34 | tralala | pihhan, on my way |
| 22:38.46 | stew | hah |
| 22:38.51 | confrey | pihhan, thanks everybody, I'll try to install roger wilco in windows and then to emulate it |
| 22:38.54 | confrey | bye |
| 22:39.11 | mhall | solid_liq: what other choices are there? i have to talk to the java UI code. |
| 22:39.17 | pihhan | dont you know someone |
| 22:39.18 | mhall | solid_liq: it makes like a little bit weird |
| 22:39.18 | streuner | mhall: there two kind of people, 1) those who like you or 2) they don't |
| 22:39.19 | stew | somehow my larger projects aren't failing |
| 22:39.27 | mhall | streuner: ... |
| 22:39.46 | mhall | solid_liq: java can't do unsigned math |
| 22:39.47 | streuner | and you can give a damn about those others :-) |
| 22:39.54 | solid_liq | mhall: the irc server I'm on appears to be very laggy, sorry |
| 22:39.54 | pihhan | why is my KDE control panels in lost and found menu after sarge to etch upgrade? |
| 22:39.57 | mhall | solid_liq: so that's not gonna work |
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| 22:40.03 | mhall | solid_liq: d'oh |
| 22:40.04 | solid_liq | mhall: I hate java |
| 22:40.06 | tralala | pihhan, thank you so much! :) |
| 22:40.12 | solid_liq | mhall: ok, maybe it's better now |
| 22:40.41 | solid_liq | mhall: I really think you're best off sticking with C++, and just carefully coding your classes |
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| 22:41.11 | mhall | solid_liq: that's gonna be some hardcore work |
| 22:41.14 | solid_liq | mhall: you can blend in elements of the linux/unix philosophy of one small tool for each task, that does only one task and does it well |
| 22:41.21 | mhall | solid_liq: but at least there are a lot of libraries |
| 22:41.30 | tralala | pihhan, do you actually have anything in the kcontrol? Somebody using etch was complaining here that kcontrol was empty. |
| 22:41.45 | mhall | solid_liq: yeah, i'm thinking of using pipes and/or message queues, so if a module blows up it can restart and avoid lossage |
| 22:41.46 | solid_liq | mhall: and you can focus on one piece at a time using the philosophy I just mentioned |
| 22:41.50 | pihhan | tralala, no, it is completely empty |
| 22:42.03 | mhall | solid_liq: that way you are only dependent on the one module which select()s the datagrams off the wire |
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| 22:42.13 | mhall | solid_liq: and i'd make that one, say, <500 lines |
| 22:42.16 | solid_liq | mhall: not to mention, changing something in one area won't break something unrelated that way |
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| 22:42.18 | mhall | solid_liq: so it's unlikely to blow up |
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| 22:43.01 | solid_liq | mhall: that's the other advantage to that technique |
| 22:43.23 | tralala | pihhan, I can see now why it's still not released :) |
| 22:43.27 | solid_liq | mhall: but you don't want to get yourself all tangled up in that either |
| 22:43.55 | mhall | solid_liq: i think using it in maybe 2-3 key places would be all that is needed |
| 22:43.56 | solid_liq | mhall: or become too dependant on it |
| 22:44.06 | asdx | i think i don't like portage much, how is apt/dpkg compared to it? |
| 22:44.19 | solid_liq | mhall: small solid modules is the key |
| 22:44.19 | nikosapi | Hi, I'm using fluxbox and the only way to get my display resolution to 800x600 is to use xrandr -s 800x600, if I set 800x600 first in XF86Config-4 I get the 800x600 resolution but fluxbox remains at 1024x768. How can I make the xrandr fix permanent? |
| 22:44.26 | mhall | asdx: #1) don't have to set stupid options and compile dumb crap |
| 22:44.27 | streuner | !gentoosmite asdx |
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| 22:44.58 | tralala | 9%... that's extreme |
| 22:44.59 | solid_liq | mhall: if you can make one that's just dedicated to networking, then it may be reused by something else later as well, with the interface being an external comm. interface |
| 22:45.05 | streuner | !drxx nikosapi |
| 22:45.05 | dpkg | nikosapi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:45.05 | mhall | asdx: imagine everything in the gentoosmite, *not* having to happen |
| 22:45.12 | mhall | solid_liq: hmm true |
| 22:45.14 | solid_liq | mhall: using shared memory perhaps |
| 22:45.16 | schme | tralala: gentoo is all about extreme (; |
| 22:45.52 | nikosapi | OK I'll give it a shot |
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| 22:45.59 | solid_liq | mhall: but having one module dedicated to just networking can be very difficult |
| 22:46.03 | Smerdyakov | How do I find out which package is responsible for a particular filename? |
| 22:46.04 | mhall | solid_liq: shmem, MQ, and mmap are some choices |
| 22:46.12 | asdx | i don't like portage because the code is a mess |
| 22:46.13 | raf256 | Smerdyakov: apt-file |
| 22:46.15 | solid_liq | mhall: yep |
| 22:46.17 | tralala | schme, I just thought that factoid was always giving something between 0 and 1% :) |
| 22:46.18 | mhall | solid_liq: luckily, our module only has to go one way |
| 22:46.20 | solid_liq | mhall: and dbus |
| 22:46.26 | mhall | solid_liq: which makes it a lot simpler |
| 22:46.34 | tuv | !greenhouse |
| 22:46.35 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 22:46.36 | solid_liq | mhall: most definitely |
| 22:46.40 | raf256 | lol |
| 22:46.49 | solid_liq | mhall: that makes it almost simple actually |
| 22:46.50 | mhall | solid_liq: if we had to *send* stuff, that'd be unpleasant |
| 22:46.51 | asdx | mhall: i personally like source based distros, like LFS, but not gentoo. |
| 22:47.06 | raf256 | it is ridiculus |
| 22:47.11 | solid_liq | mhall: you could very easily implement one module dedicated to networking then |
| 22:47.21 | solid_liq | mhall: have it just hand off data |
| 22:47.32 | mhall | solid_liq: but really, it's pretty abstract once the samples are crunched, fluffy Java takes over and takes care of the more nebulous process of responding to the things we read in |
| 22:47.33 | solid_liq | mhall: and it becomes much easier to make sure it's secure |
| 22:47.41 | raf256 | gentoo recompilations are probably responsible for 0.001% of computer power == 0.000001 of power needs |
| 22:47.52 | Smerdyakov | raf256, thanks |
| 22:48.00 | mhall | solid_liq: yeah it's a no brainer to get 100% coverage of 500 lines of code |
| 22:48.04 | tralala | pihhan, thanks again for the font tip |
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| 22:48.15 | solid_liq | mhall: uh, not always actually |
| 22:48.19 | tuv | raf256, but it's still funny |
| 22:48.23 | raf256 | yea |
| 22:48.25 | mhall | solid_liq: especially cause we have some guys who coded vxworks embedded code on high volume products (~100000) a month |
| 22:48.31 | solid_liq | mhall: don't ever underestimate code, for that will lead to problems |
| 22:48.37 | mhall | solid_liq: they had to have at least 96% coverage to ship |
| 22:48.45 | mhall | solid_liq: and got 100% on purpose for some modules |
| 22:49.02 | raf256 | !gnu --> Don't use GNU! Help us to stop stallman, hug a goat, use windows |
| 22:49.07 | solid_liq | mhall: perfect, that's the approach you need for the important parts |
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| 22:49.28 | solid_liq | raf256: you mean hump a goat? ;) |
| 22:49.30 | asdx | how are binaries in debian? i mean, do they have everything what you need? sometimes there are things that aren't in binaries and you need to compile it for enable a feature that you want. |
| 22:49.30 | raf256 | !drugs --> Don't use HURD! Help Linus to report the drug abusers to Authorities |
| 22:49.35 | mhall | raf256: er, doesn't using GNU generate *more* goats |
| 22:49.50 | mhall | raf256: so if you like em, you'd use GNU |
| 22:49.57 | raf256 | heh |
| 22:50.02 | solid_liq | :D |
| 22:50.07 | asdx | like, php-gd, php-mysql, php-postgresql, php-foo |
| 22:50.30 | raf256 | asdx: indeed, for example debian's audacity is fucked up: some genius compiled it without ALSA support! |
| 22:50.37 | raf256 | but you can always apt-get source and rebuild |
| 22:50.49 | solid_liq | mhall: it might be interesting to experiment with dbus for your IPC needs |
| 22:50.51 | mhall | asdx: beware of premature compliation |
| 22:50.54 | asdx | raf256: lol |
| 22:50.58 | mhall | solid_liq: yeah i'll take a look |
| 22:51.01 | tuv | raf256, is alsa support available in audacity upstream? it wasn't a while ago |
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| 22:51.06 | mhall | raf256: ooh that's a nice one |
| 22:51.07 | streuner | raf256: what did you smoke today? |
| 22:51.11 | raf256 | tuv: it is. --with-alsa or something |
| 22:51.14 | raf256 | streuner: nothing |
| 22:51.31 | tuv | raf256, then it must be new |
| 22:51.32 | streuner | hm, could be a reason too (for some people...) |
| 22:51.37 | Jabbaaa | How do I boot into single user mode is there is no "linux single" on the LILO boot menu? |
| 22:51.48 | mhall | lol streuner i think you accusing people of smoking something is the pot calling the kettle black most of the time hahaha |
| 22:51.49 | raf256 | to make audacity useless for guys with alsa-only system |
| 22:51.54 | tuv | Jabbaaa, append 'single' to the kernel line |
| 22:51.58 | sid | Jabbaaa: edit the lilo menu? |
| 22:52.37 | Jabbaaa | tuv how so? :| |
| 22:52.37 | stew | raf256: this has been covered already, please just drop it |
| 22:52.37 | Jabbaaa | sid not an option... I'm locked out |
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| 22:52.37 | tarmsie | can reverse DNS be done with webmin? |
| 22:52.37 | tuv | Jabbaaa, if you're using grub, you can do that on the fly when booting. hit 'e' and edit the kernel line you want |
| 22:52.37 | nikosapi | Ok, I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but where does the config file go? |
| 22:52.38 | raf256 | stew: it was in connection with given topics |
| 22:52.38 | sid | Jabbaaa: When lilo pops up, hit e(for edit) |
| 22:52.40 | streuner | tarmsie: webmin isn't in debian |
| 22:52.45 | Jabbaaa | tuv no GRUB.. it's an old woody install |
| 22:53.07 | sid | Jabbaaa: upgrade to sarge! |
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| 22:53.19 | raf256 | upgrade to dapper! |
| 22:53.25 | Jabbaaa | sid nooooo I need to just get something off this old machine, :) |
| 22:53.31 | Jabbaaa | but don't recall the login |
| 22:53.42 | sid | Jabbaaa: livecd? |
| 22:53.46 | raf256 | Jabbaaa: hm? put in the livecd or get out hdd |
| 22:54.03 | Jabbaaa | sid was hoping to jsut get into single user mode. |
| 22:54.04 | sid | Or just edit the lilo menu(probably the fastest method) |
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| 22:55.28 | Jabbaaa | sid... when you say hit 'e' at the lilo prompt, you mean boot: ? |
| 22:55.28 | itchi | streuner: It's no more in Etch, but still in Sarge |
| 22:55.55 | streuner | god, that was a fine decision |
| 22:56.31 | itchi | streuner: I goes gone i guess when Etch become stable. I not use webmin :-) |
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| 22:57.00 | streuner | !webmin |
| 22:57.01 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 22:57.12 | itchi | streuner: Personally i find that the idea was near great for new click and run admins |
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| 22:57.25 | tuv | hmm.. audacity's alsa support in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=249157 |
| 22:57.38 | streuner | "real" admins never click and hope something works.... |
| 22:57.59 | itchi | streuner: Yeah, sure, it's unsafe stuff, maybe, there's need to work to get it many more secure |
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| 22:58.47 | onofrio | who wanna try with me h323:217.133.87.159 ? thanks |
| 22:59.16 | bokey | itchi, =) |
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| 22:59.20 | itchi | streuner: He; i never use webmin too, just try it in the begin, but not have realy like it. |
| 22:59.35 | itchi | bokey: Hello ;-) |
| 22:59.38 | streuner | !wb(rude) abrotman ;-) |
| 22:59.47 | bokey | itchi, how are you today ? |
| 23:00.04 | itchi | bokey: It's pill 00:00 |
| 23:00.04 | abrotman | not funny ... |
| 23:00.07 | bokey | itchi, all good. using 2.6.17 =) |
| 23:00.10 | itchi | bokey: So night |
| 23:00.11 | bokey | abrotman, hello. |
| 23:00.15 | abrotman | blah! |
| 23:00.17 | bokey | itchi, ahh.. |
| 23:00.19 | itchi | hehe |
| 23:00.20 | bokey | itchi, i hate to see dispute between debian people and mozilla people. result ? icedove |
| 23:00.23 | itchi | !beer abrotman |
| 23:00.34 | abrotman | yeah .. as i sit here watching a drive rebuild! |
| 23:00.41 | streuner | abrotman: you don't find that funny even if you created yourself that? |
| 23:00.48 | bokey | !more beer |
| 23:00.48 | dpkg | goto /usr/local/pub |
| 23:00.52 | bokey | !beer more |
| 23:00.58 | abrotman | i didn't add dogfishhead |
| 23:00.59 | bokey | =) |
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| 23:01.23 | streuner | abrotman: well, somebody could kick your ass :-) |
| 23:01.28 | abrotman | they could? |
| 23:01.28 | bokey | itchi, seriously, icedove was not needed you know. |
| 23:01.28 | vanisher | how do i install vmware-tools within debian>? |
| 23:01.32 | bokey | hehe.. |
| 23:01.35 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 23:01.39 | streuner | they could, but they don't |
| 23:01.48 | itchi | bokey: Ba, i not realy care of the name or whatever at this stage |
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| 23:01.55 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. =) |
| 23:01.59 | abrotman | bokey: yes it was |
| 23:02.06 | quhan | arch/i386/Kconfig:978: can't open file "arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/Kconfig". what should i do? |
| 23:02.13 | quhan | hi, i decomplier linux-image, but I always got error: |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | quhan: from Debian packaged sources ? |
| 23:02.41 | solid_liq | vanisher: vmware-package - utility for building Vmware related Debian packages |
| 23:02.41 | bokey | abrotman, well, really it just creates another partition in FOSS community. =( |
| 23:02.47 | quhan | no, kernel.org |
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| 23:02.52 | abrotman | bokey: do you understand why it happened ? |
| 23:02.56 | abrotman | quhan: ask #kernel |
| 23:03.14 | streuner | quhan: or just use an official package |
| 23:03.22 | bokey | abrotman, because of logo trademark usage of firefox and mozilla in debian. :/ |
| 23:03.29 | abrotman | that's only part of it |
| 23:03.36 | bokey | abrotman, really ? |
| 23:03.39 | abrotman | !icedove |
| 23:03.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 23:03.42 | blondie | mew |
| 23:03.43 | blondie | erm |
| 23:03.43 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 23:03.44 | blondie | no |
| 23:03.46 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 23:03.46 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 23:03.48 | abrotman | there |
| 23:03.50 | vanisher | solid_liq: is that just an apt-get? |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | !tell bokey about why iceweasel |
| 23:04.03 | solid_liq | vanisher: yeah, apt-cache search for it |
| 23:04.23 | bokey | abrotman, right.. reading now |
| 23:04.32 | abrotman | !info vmware-package sid |
| 23:04.47 | abrotman | !+info vmware-package sid |
| 23:04.48 | itchi | bokey: Your running Etch? |
| 23:04.49 | dpkg | Package 'vmware-package' does not exist. |
| 23:04.56 | vanisher | solid_liq: quess i need an apt source extra ;) |
| 23:04.59 | bokey | itchi, yup. |
| 23:05.09 | abrotman | vanisher: ask #vmware |
| 23:05.13 | quhan | but a linux-source also has this problem |
| 23:05.19 | itchi | bokey: It's still not yet there then |
| 23:05.36 | solid_liq | vanisher: I'm going to guess it's this one: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free |
| 23:05.38 | pihhan | anyone here had issues with kcontrol and menus? |
| 23:05.39 | quhan | i mean the linux-source package from debian source |
| 23:05.46 | bokey | itchi, yeah it's called iceweasel for firefox and icedove for thunderbird |
| 23:06.26 | abrotman | and i think gnuzilla for mozilla suite |
| 23:06.28 | itchi | bokey: Was a bit wondering why you was hurry about it, like you not yet have it |
| 23:06.53 | solid_liq | pihhan: such as? |
| 23:07.11 | bokey | itchi, not in hurry but bit worried about the stifle between deb and mozilla people. it hurts for foss community as a total. |
| 23:07.23 | pihhan | solid_liq, such as nothing is there |
| 23:07.29 | abrotman | bokey: don't whine to us |
| 23:07.37 | solid_liq | pihhan: no, haven't had that |
| 23:07.49 | pihhan | solid_liq, KDE control panels are completely empty, and all is in lost and found folder in menu |
| 23:07.52 | bokey | abrotman, right. will stfu. =) |
| 23:08.16 | solid_liq | pihhan: hmmm |
| 23:08.16 | itchi | bokey: Just adapt you ;-) |
| 23:08.17 | abrotman | bokey: read the bug .. see why it happened |
| 23:08.21 | vanisher | solid_liq: thank you!! that was it |
| 23:08.22 | pihhan | happened after sarge to etch dist-upgrade |
| 23:08.23 | bokey | abrotman, reading dude. |
| 23:08.26 | solid_liq | pihhan: np |
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| 23:08.49 | streuner | !wb(rude) liable |
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| 23:09.32 | streuner | abrotman: can you give us the wb(rude) factoid? :-) |
| 23:09.52 | abrotman | i have it ? |
| 23:09.52 | pihhan | on http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg265074.html they advice creating symlink |
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| 23:10.07 | streuner | sure, you are the one who created it :-) |
| 23:10.11 | pihhan | but both directories contain the same even without symlink. |
| 23:10.18 | abrotman | streuner: the one from raseac ? |
| 23:10.23 | streuner | yes |
| 23:10.52 | liable | streuner: howdy |
| 23:11.02 | abrotman | streuner: but it's not nice ... |
| 23:11.03 | streuner | liable: hi |
| 23:11.15 | streuner | abrotman: we aren't care :-) |
| 23:11.51 | abrotman | streuner: <reply>HAHA .. Look .. That loser, $1, couldn't stay off IRC. |
| 23:11.54 | liable | bah, this net connection blows |
| 23:12.14 | streuner | liable: you didn't pay your ISP enough ? :-) |
| 23:14.03 | streuner | liable: so you have any idea *WHY* this happens? |
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| 23:15.57 | abrotman | that is a bad connection :) |
| 23:16.04 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 23:16.44 | anapivirtua | Bye world. |
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| 23:18.22 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:18.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:18.55 | unlink | grr, apt-get isn't installed on my, uh, freebsd box. |
| 23:19.03 | unlink | lsmod didn't work either :( |
| 23:19.14 | streuner | abrotman: http://scfire-nyk0l-2.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1043 |
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| 23:19.34 | abrotman | can't right now .. no X |
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| 23:19.52 | mikefoo | find . -name *.mp3 -exec id3info '{}' \; | grep -Hi string - The filename is "standard input" I think im missing an option in the exec, how can I get the filename also. Anyone know? |
| 23:19.53 | streuner | abrotman: mpg123 URL |
| 23:19.55 | abrotman | streuner: remind me in a bit when i'm actually home instead of watching drives rebuild :) |
| 23:20.03 | abrotman | streuner: there's no sound on servers :) |
| 23:20.39 | rahul | use the pc speaker! |
| 23:20.58 | abrotman | the one i'm attached to probably doesn't have one |
| 23:21.26 | abrotman | lspci contains four items on this box |
| 23:21.40 | odla | tarzeau, ping.. |
| 23:22.57 | odla | i presume no one else here uses GNUstep ... |
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| 23:23.05 | abrotman | why would they? |
| 23:23.08 | odla | ha ha |
| 23:23.24 | streuner | odla: /j #gnustep |
| 23:23.24 | odla | abrotman, cause it's the next revolution in gnu/linux |
| 23:23.35 | odla | streuner, yeah i know about it |
| 23:23.44 | streuner | surely not |
| 23:23.44 | abrotman | sure it is |
| 23:23.48 | |zetetic| | hi |
| 23:23.49 | liable | sheesh my net sucks atm |
| 23:24.04 | odla | streuner, really? i thought i was in that channel at the moment too |
| 23:24.29 | liable | this is weird, this network i am on, gives me two dns servers, both belonging to different companies, and when they are queried, i get a response from a third, also from a different company, and it doesnt fucking work.. |
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| 23:25.13 | streuner | liable: you need always a *reliable* DNS-Server in order to use internet |
| 23:25.18 | infernix | you said that earlier. it's quite amazing |
| 23:26.08 | abrotman | or go by IPs everywhere! |
| 23:26.09 | infernix | show me a tcpdump of that:) |
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| 23:26.09 | |zetetic| | I have 3 disk drives on my pc. On one of them I will install debian etch, with the following 4 partitions: /boot, /, /home and swap. Do I need to activate the bootflag on one of those partitions? |
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| 23:26.10 | infernix | |zetetic|: just /, really |
| 23:26.11 | streuner | liable: but that's NOT a DNS issue |
| 23:26.11 | abrotman | i didn't think you needed a bootflag at all anymore |
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| 23:26.12 | abrotman | for linux anyways |
| 23:26.14 | infernix | not for linux no |
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| 23:26.55 | |zetetic| | I must activate de bootflag just on / ? shuldn't I activate it on /boot instead of / ? |
| 23:29.39 | MatBoy | Will Iceweasel 3 be in Unstable or going directly into Etch ? |
| 23:29.44 | |zetetic| | I mean... the kernel image will be on /boot, not on / |
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| 23:29.58 | abrotman | MatBoy: it's already in unstable .. things pass from unstable to testing normally |
| 23:30.26 | MatBoy | abrotman, yep, know that... I thought that unstable was maybe doing a pre-beta-thing already |
| 23:30.29 | MatBoy | nice to hear ! |
| 23:30.38 | MatBoy | |zetetic|, with a new install ? |
| 23:30.43 | liable | streuner: i'm not at home now, and on a wireless network in a big camp, and it seems to have a few problems |
| 23:30.58 | abrotman | MatBoy: the idea is to have iceweasel2 in etch for release |
| 23:31.08 | MatBoy | |zetetic|, bootflag is set automaticly in the right place |
| 23:31.23 | |zetetic| | I have 3 disk drives on my computer. on one of them I will make a clean install of debian, and I will create de following 4 partitions: /boot / /home and swap |
| 23:31.25 | MatBoy | abrotman, yeah, good idea. Not that much new things in 3 |
| 23:31.36 | |zetetic| | and I'm creating those partions manually |
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| 23:31.46 | unseensoul | hi |
| 23:31.53 | MatBoy | |zetetic|, all done automaticly |
| 23:31.55 | |zetetic| | so I woul like to know if I have to activate de bootflag on one of those partions or not |
| 23:32.03 | pihhan | is there anyone using KDE on etch/testing? |
| 23:32.23 | abrotman | ask your real question |
| 23:32.23 | MatBoy | just make the partitions, set the paths and your filesystem |
| 23:32.31 | MatBoy | abrotman, I thin that was his question :P |
| 23:32.33 | |zetetic| | strange, because I just created the 4 partitions and none of them has de bootflag activated |
| 23:32.36 | MatBoy | think |
| 23:32.44 | apokryphos | what options do I need with rsync to continue a download? |
| 23:32.58 | MatBoy | |zetetic|, have you already tried to finish a install ? |
| 23:33.24 | |zetetic| | no, I just finish created the partitions but I haven't write any changes to disk yet |
| 23:33.35 | pihhan | apokryphos, i would think you dont need any, just be in correct directory |
| 23:33.43 | MatBoy | |zetetic|, do it, set no bootflag and make the install |
| 23:33.47 | MatBoy | takes 15 min at max |
| 23:33.54 | pihhan | is this bug fixed in testing? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg267359.html |
| 23:34.08 | MatBoy | it will set it I think when it installs grub, never had to set it before manually |
| 23:34.09 | |zetetic| | but after installation I want to be able to boot from each of 2 different disk drives |
| 23:34.12 | abrotman | !dbugs 267359 |
| 23:34.16 | dpkg | DONE:#267359:G[nvidia-kernel-source] nvidia-kernel-source: X Windows hard locks (requires hard restart); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 06:03:01 UTC |
| 23:34.25 | abrotman | marked DONE |
| 23:34.29 | apokryphos | pihhan: I'm using -IvzP and the download restarts |
| 23:34.48 | |zetetic| | ok, I will not set any bootflag, but after installation I will be able to boot from each of the tho hard drives? |
| 23:34.51 | MatBoy | pihhan, I have had that too.. you can set a kernel-option to solve it for now |
| 23:34.52 | mikefoo | find . -name *.mp3 -exec id3info '{}' \; | grep -Hi string - The filename is "standard input" I think im missing an option in the exec, how can I get the filename also. Anyone know? |
| 23:35.24 | liable | streuner: know much about dns? |
| 23:35.25 | |zetetic| | two hard drives, I mean |
| 23:35.28 | pihhan | MatBoy, kernel-option? it does not have anything related to kernel |
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| 23:35.42 | streuner | liable: you don't need much to know about |
| 23:35.44 | MatBoy | pihhan, It was solving the problem here |
| 23:35.49 | MatBoy | check the nvidia-fourm about it |
| 23:35.57 | MatBoy | I thought it was a sticky there |
| 23:36.03 | MatBoy | forum |
| 23:36.21 | streuner | liable: you *NEED* ONE reliable DNS server, that is |
| 23:36.23 | pihhan | ah |
| 23:36.33 | pihhan | it is nvidia driver bug? |
| 23:37.02 | streuner | liable: *AFTER* you connected to Internet, it wouldn't be a DNS issue... |
| 23:37.09 | MatBoy | pihhan, no not directly... something with HT or such thing... don't know anymore... it has been some time ago |
| 23:37.11 | liable | streuner: well, it is. |
| 23:37.24 | pihhan | HT does not matter, i have duron CPU |
| 23:37.35 | jelly | liable: you could try asking the one server that appears to be responding. They might have a case of bad NAT though. |
| 23:37.37 | streuner | liable: you loosed the connection... |
| 23:37.39 | MatBoy | pihhan, there were a several options for specific systems.... 3 options I thought |
| 23:37.46 | MatBoy | check the nvidia-forum about it |
| 23:38.14 | liable | jelly: thats what i have done in the end, if i use the two supplied by the dhcpd, it fails, as the third server is the only one that responds |
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| 23:39.07 | abrotman | StanSka: are you ban evading |
| 23:39.13 | pihhan | but there is another problem |
| 23:39.16 | pihhan | i am missing file |
| 23:39.17 | RvGaTe | If there is anyone from poland, would you be so kind to translate this for me? "najlepsza klubowa muzyka w sieci" |
| 23:39.26 | pihhan | /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu |
| 23:39.30 | jelly | liable: so you already know how to fix it |
| 23:39.34 | pihhan | is not my system |
| 23:39.46 | pihhan | i reinstalled kdebase-data just now |
| 23:39.52 | pihhan | but such file is not there |
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| 23:40.11 | liable | jelly: yes, but i want to understand wtf its set up like that, apperently some of the windows boxen on the network dont have problems |
| 23:40.14 | itchi | RvGaTe: 'I need to buy beer', it mean |
| 23:40.27 | jelly | RvGaTe: I don't know Polish, but it looks vaguely like "best club music in January", does that make any sense? |
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| 23:40.37 | streuner | liable: wireless? |
| 23:40.42 | liable | streuner: yes |
| 23:40.47 | RvGaTe | jelly, only January doesn't make sense |
| 23:40.50 | streuner | check out the driver then |
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| 23:40.57 | jelly | RvGaTe: ok, that part is wrong ;-) |
| 23:41.01 | RvGaTe | jelly, its a quote of a radio station i listen to all the time |
| 23:41.17 | RvGaTe | jelly, or slogan... |
| 23:41.23 | RvGaTe | jelly, whatever you wanna call it |
| 23:41.30 | jelly | RvGaTe: a jingle? |
| 23:41.38 | streuner | liable: did you upgrade the kernel (driver) in the past? |
| 23:41.44 | RvGaTe | jelly, nah.... www.radioparty.pl |
| 23:41.56 | pihhan | what can cause |
| 23:41.59 | jelly | RvGaTe: could be "in the world" |
| 23:42.11 | RvGaTe | jelly, i think thats it |
| 23:42.15 | pihhan | that i dont have one file listed in dpkg -L kdebase-data |
| 23:42.24 | pihhan | and dpkg is not complaining about anything? |
| 23:42.39 | jelly | RvGaTe: also s/best/greatest/ is probably more correct |
| 23:43.12 | liable | streuner: why would the driver make my nameservers in resolv.conf be incorrect? (but in response to your question, i had this problem, and i did recompile madwifi before i started packet sniffing to see what the fuck was happening) |
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| 23:44.57 | pihhan | streuner, order of servers is usually not important |
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| 23:46.15 | RvGaTe | anyway, thx jelly :P |
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| 23:46.50 | streuner | liable: you are able to connect to IRC, so DNS resolved the entry fine |
| 23:46.52 | MatBoy | is it possible to compile a kernel on multiple processors instead of one ? |
| 23:47.00 | unlink | MatBoy: yup |
| 23:47.11 | MatBoy | unlink, with all distro's ? |
| 23:47.16 | unlink | yes |
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| 23:47.41 | MatBoy | unlink, tell me how :) I'ts now done on one :( |
| 23:47.47 | streuner | liable: What happens when you are using the 'OLD' working kernel (driver)? |
| 23:48.03 | liable | streuner: *after* I fixed the nameserver, i had to watch the response from the nameserver with tcpdump to get freenodes ip... |
| 23:48.07 | RvGaTe | itchi, im sorry |
| 23:48.08 | unlink | MatBoy: man make |
| 23:48.08 | reZo | Hey, I'm having problems with network card detection in the net installer (sarge). I'm using an Nvidia CK804 card, does anyone know how I can find out the IRQ in Ubuntu Linux for this? And if the network card is supported in Sarge? |
| 23:48.18 | MatBoy | unlink, ok |
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| 23:48.32 | liable | streuner: its not the driver |
| 23:48.36 | streuner | liable: using 'host chat.freenode.net' is enough |
| 23:48.37 | pihhan | reZo, lspci -v |
| 23:48.49 | buzz_l_eclair | hi everybody |
| 23:48.59 | streuner | liable: that would prove, is DNS working or not |
| 23:49.01 | reZo | pihhan, thank you very much. That's what I needed :) |
| 23:49.06 | RvGaTe | hi buuuuzzzz |
| 23:49.10 | pihhan | reZo, find which modules it does use in ubuntu |
| 23:49.16 | abrotman | !tell reZo about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:49.31 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 23:49.31 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 23:49.38 | reZo | :) |
| 23:49.42 | rpc | can someone please paste me the contents of /usr/sbin/update-rc.d? it seems to be missing on the box i'm fixing now (sarge) |
| 23:49.48 | MatBoy | unlink, not there |
| 23:49.51 | rpc | anyway no clue why would it be missing |
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| 23:50.26 | abrotman | !find update-rc.d sarge |
| 23:50.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-rc.d' (4): (/usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d) in admin/sysvinit ;; (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d) in admin/file-rc,admin/sysv-rc ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.5/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.0-dev-1/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 23:51.00 | abrotman | rpc: you could reinstlal sysv-rc ? |
| 23:51.05 | unlink | is it safe to remove sysvinit if you're using file-rc? |
| 23:51.44 | rpc | abrotman i tried.. it wants rc too |
| 23:51.51 | rpc | thanks so much :) |
| 23:52.18 | abrotman | you could manually download the package and extract it |
| 23:52.35 | rpc | i did download but didn't try to extract in search for that file |
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| 23:54.13 | rpc | in fact it's there :) thanks very much abrotman |
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| 23:54.30 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:54.32 | rpc | btw do you know why would be the sarge default install missing that file? |
| 23:54.48 | abrotman | eh .. nope |
| 23:55.00 | rpc | priority for it is: required |
| 23:55.09 | abrotman | yeah .. should be there i'd think |
| 23:56.29 | pihhan | is that normal, that ifup in etch |
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| 23:56.49 | pihhan | sets 169.254.67.0 when set to DHCP? |
| 23:56.59 | abrotman | that means it can't find your DHCP server |
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| 23:57.10 | pihhan | it can and does |
| 23:57.18 | abrotman | it's not |
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| 23:57.38 | pihhan | 2: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast qlen 1000 |
| 23:57.39 | pihhan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.39 | pihhan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.39 | pihhan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:57.57 | abrotman | we don't like pasters! |
| 23:58.02 | bokey | heheh.. |
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| 23:58.18 | pihhan | four lines, only four lines... |
| 23:58.19 | pihhan | :) |
| 23:58.22 | pihhan | but you see |
| 23:58.28 | pihhan | second address is from DHCP |
| 23:58.30 | abrotman | one only kid one only kid |
| 23:59.10 | unseensoul | lol |
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