| 00:00.04 | rosen37 | cydork: where is located? |
| 00:00.12 | krazykit | not a specific one, but abcde does most of them. |
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| 00:00.24 | nvz | krazykit: no, he didnt. he specified that he wanted to encode the raw audio he ripped, he didnt specify which encoding, so I couldnt specify an encoder |
| 00:00.24 | cydork | rosen37: in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 00:00.28 | k-man | rfrank, bmp? do you have a url for it? |
| 00:00.54 | cydork | rosen37: and start using aptitude ;) |
| 00:00.58 | k-man | i'd like to encode to mp3 (i know its evil) |
| 00:01.21 | krazykit | nvz: well, any ripper+encoder worth its salt will encode to pretty much everything. |
| 00:01.30 | rfrank | k-man, bmpx is a media player too but it can also rip cds http://beep-media-player.org |
| 00:01.31 | styvy | still good k-man, but don't forget to have lame for mp3 |
| 00:01.40 | wireddd | lame is still pretty much the best mp3 encoder isn't it |
| 00:01.49 | krazykit | yeah, pretty much |
| 00:01.51 | k-man | is there a tool to automate the encoding of cds? ie, you pop it in the drive and it rips and encodes and then ejects it |
| 00:02.03 | krazykit | k-man: abcde will do that in non-interactive mode |
| 00:02.14 | krazykit | once you set up the .conf file, it's great |
| 00:02.16 | k-man | krazykit, ah, cool |
| 00:02.35 | styvy | grip will do using lame |
| 00:02.41 | rfrank | someone reaally needs to port cdex to linux |
| 00:02.46 | rfrank | 'cause that was a pownage ripper in win |
| 00:02.49 | krazykit | meh, eac > cdex |
| 00:02.59 | rosen37 | okok |
| 00:03.06 | krazykit | xiph needs to hack on cdparanoia some more though |
| 00:03.18 | krazykit | i thought they were going to do that once vorbis went 1.0 |
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| 00:03.55 | krazykit | oh holy crap, they are! |
| 00:04.03 | rfrank | how can I edit the system menu |
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| 00:04.52 | wireddd | rfrank, which menu? |
| 00:05.04 | wireddd | grub? |
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| 00:06.26 | duckx | Hy |
| 00:06.52 | duckx | Currently doing and apt-get source I got a segfault on my debian sid/experimental ... |
| 00:07.10 | duckx | Am I the only to have such a behavior ? |
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| 00:08.45 | rfrank | hm.. I'm liking grip |
| 00:08.56 | rfrank | wireddd, the system's program menu |
| 00:09.07 | krazykit | you mean in gnome? |
| 00:09.11 | rfrank | in xfce when I edit the xfce menu it says include system where allm y programs are |
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| 00:09.22 | efaistos | is there a way to format a partition with HFS+ under linux ? I'm searchig on the web but didnt find anythin' .... |
| 00:09.22 | rfrank | And I want to edit that because some are in the wrong places |
| 00:09.34 | rfrank | efaistos, why would you want to do that |
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| 00:10.14 | efaistos | rfrank: because i have an external harddisk that i want to share with linux and macosx ... |
| 00:10.21 | efaistos | and fat is not good enough |
| 00:10.44 | efaistos | making some videos and 4gb is about 15 minutes with dv camera |
| 00:10.48 | cydork | efaistos: there is hfsutils but dont know if it supports formating.. |
| 00:10.49 | krazykit | uh, what is OSX's Linux filesystem support? |
| 00:11.03 | krazykit | iirc, it has support for the "linux filesystem", which i took to mean ext2 |
| 00:11.07 | abrotman | ask #osx |
| 00:11.17 | krazykit | it was a suggestion :-P |
| 00:11.18 | abrotman | or #macos .. whatever it is |
| 00:11.27 | efaistos | cydork: didnt see anything about formating |
| 00:11.32 | DavidProck1982 | yo im setting debian testing up on another pc for a friend, how do i tell what drivers i will need for any hardware that needs support, like sound or video |
| 00:11.49 | abrotman | !ig |
| 00:11.49 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 00:12.07 | cydork | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg which driver |
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| 00:12.30 | |nn4n| | hi everyone |
| 00:12.41 | DavidProck1982 | i dont know what driver it will need yeat |
| 00:12.54 | DavidProck1982 | is still installing the base system |
| 00:13.27 | krazykit | DavidProck1982: they're built in. |
| 00:13.31 | abrotman | so wait until it might not work .. then ask us |
| 00:13.46 | |nn4n| | can someone please tell me, how to change the default messages that appear, when I log in in a shell? |
| 00:13.56 | Guerin | |nn4n|: which messages? |
| 00:14.11 | abrotman | /etc/issue ? |
| 00:14.15 | DavidProck1982 | i know it is a nvidia card but i dont know what modle / brand |
| 00:14.23 | Guerin | yeah, well, there are several files called |
| 00:14.49 | cydork | |nn4n|: or /etc/motd.tail ? |
| 00:14.51 | |nn4n| | something like last login <date> THIS SOFTWARE IS.... |
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| 00:15.13 | abrotman | /etc/motd |
| 00:15.30 | |nn4n| | ah, got it. Thanks |
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| 00:17.03 | DavidProck1982 | how do i tell what nvidia driver i will need, what command do i use to see the hardware info |
| 00:17.33 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:17.33 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
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| 00:17.57 | Varange | hi all |
| 00:18.13 | niles | hi |
| 00:18.18 | niles | when will etch be stable ? |
| 00:18.18 | Varange | how do I get a virtual interface to forward to another interface? I need to forward all port 80 requests on eth2:1 to eth0, destination 192.168.1.40 |
| 00:18.21 | Varange | hi niles |
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| 00:18.56 | abrotman | !tell niles about wwer |
| 00:19.06 | abrotman | Varange: ask #iptables |
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| 00:19.29 | sid | I have 6 choices, I want to make a simple vote for my GNU/Linux users group. What should I use so they can check off say 4 of 6 boxes and cast their vote? |
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| 00:20.19 | abrotman | a piece of paper |
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| 00:20.37 | krazykit | sid: some html. |
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| 00:21.52 | Arron | is there a howto for how to compile a module driver to update just one module, with a default kernel? |
| 00:22.25 | Varange | abrotman, no one there :( |
| 00:22.37 | abrotman | just be patient .. or here .... |
| 00:22.38 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 00:22.39 | dpkg | hmm... iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 00:22.40 | abrotman | go read! |
| 00:23.07 | karsten | Arron: For some stuff, module-assistant (m-a) may help. |
| 00:23.26 | Varange | abrotman, you'lll laugh, I've read most of it ;) |
| 00:23.42 | abrotman | then you should have found your answer |
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| 00:23.56 | Varange | I'm too thick |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | okay .. then #iptables is your best bet .. just be patient |
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| 00:24.23 | duckx | The bug I encontered was this one: |
| 00:24.26 | duckx | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400874 |
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| 00:25.01 | Arron | karsten: i looked at that, but couldnt figure how to compile a custom driver.c file, it seemed to have its own list of modules for updating |
| 00:26.07 | rosen37 | someone know a http solution to configure openldap? |
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| 00:26.37 | abrotman | labe i think |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | not in debian IIRC |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | ask #ldap |
| 00:27.05 | DavidProck1982 | ok this is fucked up, durring setup it did not ask for a root password, and i need the root password so i can use aptitude, there is no gui yeat |
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| 00:27.20 | Varange | how about ipmasq .... also ask in #iptables? |
| 00:27.27 | DavidProck1982 | what would it be if i did not set it |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | not the same .. no |
| 00:27.34 | abrotman | it wouldn't be debian |
| 00:27.53 | Varange | empty? |
| 00:27.56 | krazykit | DavidProck1982: you should be able to boot into single user mode and `passwd` |
| 00:27.57 | vulture | DavidProck1982: Pretty sure Debian setup does ask for a root password (& even creates a non-root account too.. queries for account name & password) |
| 00:28.11 | Varange | vulture, yep, it sure does |
| 00:28.25 | DavidProck1982 | debian is not |
| 00:28.33 | Arron | varnage: what are u tryn to do in iptables? |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | then you're not installing debian |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:28.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 00:29.07 | DavidProck1982 | i rold it to not let the root user login |
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| 00:29.28 | abrotman | which installer did you use? which ISO ? |
| 00:29.47 | Renfield | Hello. |
| 00:29.47 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: there is no way to 'not set' root password in debian. |
| 00:29.49 | DavidProck1982 | the net install, the latest daly buile |
| 00:29.59 | Renfield | How do I get some applications to start up when I log in if I am not using a desktop environment like gnome or kde? |
| 00:30.04 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: if you didn't set a root pass, you're likely using ubuntu |
| 00:30.14 | Guerin | Renfield: man xsession |
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| 00:30.42 | Renfield | Guerin: Ok, I did create a .xsession file and made it executable but it doesn't execute it. |
| 00:30.46 | Arron | ubuntu = nice, big step for "normal pc" useage |
| 00:30.54 | Guerin | Renfield: rtfm |
| 00:30.58 | DavidProck1982 | i saw the option to allow root login, i say NO, then it ask to i want to setup the regular user accound and i did |
| 00:31.00 | slept | DavidProck1982, chroot ; mount /proc ; passwd and you should be good - in anycase you can solve your problem like this if you have an other linux install or a live cd |
| 00:31.05 | DavidProck1982 | AND THIS IS NOT UBUNTU |
| 00:31.15 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: then you got asked for a root password. |
| 00:31.21 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: debian does. Always. |
| 00:31.22 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: are you sure that wasn't the SSH setup? |
| 00:31.34 | pickcoder | you can disallow root login for sshd |
| 00:31.48 | Guerin | disallowing root over ssh is a bit pointless anyhow |
| 00:31.50 | pickcoder | I can't imagine a console without root login |
| 00:32.23 | DavidProck1982 | hold up, what is thee default password it i do not set one , it did not sak me to set one |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | then it's not debian |
| 00:32.32 | pickcoder | there is no default password |
| 00:32.40 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: THERE IS NO DEFAULT PASSWORD |
| 00:32.45 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: YOU WERE ASKED |
| 00:32.51 | Guerin | (or you're not running debian) |
| 00:32.53 | DavidProck1982 | well a blank password does not work SO....... |
| 00:33.03 | abrotman | redo the install |
| 00:33.10 | DavidProck1982 | hold up let me read up some |
| 00:33.13 | DavidProck1982 | BRB |
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| 00:34.52 | abrotman | maybe you really should use ubuntu |
| 00:35.11 | DavidProck1982 | HOW THE HOLY FUCKING HELL CAN I TELL WHAT THE ROOT PASSWORD IS WHEN IT DID NOT ASK ME TO SET ONE, SORRY FOR THE CAPS |
| 00:35.32 | krazykit | if you're sorry for the caps, don't set the lock. |
| 00:35.45 | krazykit | DavidProck1982: there is no root password, since you didn't set one. try reinstalling. |
| 00:36.01 | DavidProck1982 | then how can i su root |
| 00:36.09 | krazykit | you can't |
| 00:36.21 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 00:36.22 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 00:36.28 | muh2000 | i really hate marvell... damn nic cant get found :( (new kernel 2.6.19) |
| 00:36.30 | DavidProck1982 | then what is the command to set it |
| 00:36.45 | DavidProck1982 | i dont have time to wast ot redownload all that |
| 00:36.53 | krazykit | DavidProck1982: then read what dpkg just said. |
| 00:36.54 | Guerin | !ifrp |
| 00:36.55 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 00:37.00 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: ↑ |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | i just did that! |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | copycat! |
| 00:37.09 | Guerin | abrotman: he seems stupider than usual |
| 00:37.11 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 00:37.15 | dan2 | abrotman: you know latin? |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | Guerin: you don't say |
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| 00:37.34 | abrotman | dan2: openay |
| 00:37.45 | dan2 | abrotman: huh? |
| 00:37.47 | abrotman | dan2: you need helix or something |
| 00:37.52 | abrotman | dan2: pig latin :) |
| 00:38.18 | DavidProck1982 | i do not understasnd tyhat |
| 00:38.27 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: then you need to reinstall |
| 00:38.28 | krazykit | abrotman: haha, pig latin ;-) |
| 00:38.31 | DavidProck1982 | i have grub |
| 00:38.39 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: if you can |
| 00:38.44 | pickcoder | ugh |
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| 00:38.52 | abrotman | DavidProck1982: just install again .. this time remember the password you put in |
| 00:38.58 | pickcoder | if you can't follow those simple instructions then just reinstall |
| 00:39.07 | pickcoder | or install Windows |
| 00:39.10 | DavidProck1982 | if i install over with out format , will it make a bad install |
| 00:39.12 | pickcoder | on second thought |
| 00:39.26 | pickcoder | n/m |
| 00:39.27 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:39.35 | Renfield | Is there something special I need to do to get gdm to run my .xsession on login? |
| 00:39.36 | DavidProck1982 | IT DID NOT ask me to set one for the first time |
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| 00:39.51 | pickcoder | the debian installer _always_ asks for a root password |
| 00:40.14 | DavidProck1982 | what if i tell it to now laaow the root login, i |
| 00:40.25 | krazykit | allow root login. |
| 00:40.25 | pickcoder | if you're <enter> happy and ignoring the screens then you may get to the position you're at now |
| 00:40.27 | DavidProck1982 | i think it skiped it cause i say no |
| 00:41.24 | DavidProck1982 | what do i type to setup user accounts with out useing a gui |
| 00:41.30 | abrotman | yes it did ask you |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | adduser |
| 00:41.53 | rfrank | useradd / usermod? |
| 00:42.05 | slept | DavidProck1982, what happens if you do sudo su ? |
| 00:42.42 | krazykit | slept: sudo isn't installed by default. |
| 00:42.49 | rosen37 | PLease I would like to change an NIS/NFS server by something more strong and more secure , is Ldap will be a good choice? |
| 00:43.02 | slept | on some distros it is |
| 00:43.07 | DavidProck1982 | it wants a password when i do that |
| 00:43.16 | krazykit | slept: yes, but we're in #debian. |
| 00:43.17 | slept | type in your password |
| 00:43.21 | DavidProck1982 | and this is debian |
| 00:43.24 | slept | krazykit, I know |
| 00:43.40 | DavidProck1982 | it NEVER ASK ME to set a root password |
| 00:43.42 | krazykit | and afaict, sudo isn't installed by default in etch or sid. |
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| 00:43.59 | slept | apparently it is installed for him |
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| 00:44.26 | DavidProck1982 | what is the god damn default if u dont set one |
| 00:44.31 | wireddd | DavidProck1982, type your password not the root password |
| 00:44.39 | pickcoder | there is no default password |
| 00:44.44 | DavidProck1982 | that did not work |
| 00:44.47 | krazykit | DavidProck1982: there is no default if you don't set one. it's that simple |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | either you're not installing debian .. or you have a very short memory |
| 00:45.04 | wireddd | can't he boot into single user or something |
| 00:45.05 | slept | DavidProck1982, sudo asks you ? if so use the password of your USER |
| 00:45.13 | pickcoder | wireddd: that solution was already pasted |
| 00:45.21 | pickcoder | wireddd: apparently it's too complicated |
| 00:45.35 | rfrank | vragh |
| 00:45.41 | rfrank | whats a good replacement for samba that is easy to setup in windows |
| 00:45.42 | wireddd | bah, thats the eas |
| 00:45.45 | wireddd | iest way |
| 00:45.51 | abrotman | i suggest a reinstall using RC1 .. not a daily |
| 00:46.01 | DavidProck1982 | yo sudo su works when i use the normal user pass but su does not , WHY |
| 00:46.08 | rfrank | .... |
| 00:46.12 | rfrank | because sudo uses your user password |
| 00:46.15 | abrotman | because you don't know root's password |
| 00:46.17 | rfrank | su switches user so it uses root's password |
| 00:46.20 | rfrank | :P |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | just do a god damn reinstall |
| 00:46.27 | slept | DavidProck1982, now do passwd and set the passwort you like |
| 00:46.28 | rfrank | what, he forgot root pword? |
| 00:46.28 | abrotman | stop fucking being intentionally obtuse |
| 00:46.36 | kitche | don't think he's using debian :) |
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| 00:46.38 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
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| 00:46.52 | abrotman | no shit .. we've been over this .. it's either not debian .. or he's got issues |
| 00:47.00 | pickcoder | or both |
| 00:47.15 | wOOt | lol guys |
| 00:47.21 | rfrank | hey, hey |
| 00:47.29 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: you're running fucking ubuntu |
| 00:47.33 | slept | DavidProck1982, could you paste cat /proc/version in #flood or somewhere else ? |
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| 00:47.44 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: o know this because you have sudo set up to run ALL |
| 00:47.48 | kitche | I know he's not using debian sicne he was in the #ubuntu channel eariler |
| 00:47.58 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: which only ubuntu is retarded enough to have set up by default |
| 00:48.03 | abrotman | DavidProck1982: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say |
| 00:48.32 | DavidProck1982 | THANK YOU, to the one that told me sudo su and THANK YOU slept for telling me to passwd, it works now |
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| 00:48.35 | pickcoder | sudo is setup for _everything_ ? |
| 00:48.45 | Guerin | pickcoder: and everyone. |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | DavidProck1982: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say |
| 00:48.49 | pickcoder | oh geez |
| 00:48.51 | Guerin | pickcoder: and there's no root pass |
| 00:48.52 | rfrank | in ubuntu sudo is setup to be able to be used by anyone |
| 00:48.57 | pickcoder | talk about hackability |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | it's tailor-made for idiots :) |
| 00:49.07 | rfrank | yeah, thats terribly insecure |
| 00:49.10 | h3sp4wn | Its not you need to be in the admin group |
| 00:49.18 | conreyt | rfrank: I think it's just set up for the 1st user created actually. |
| 00:49.25 | DavidProck1982 | Guerin: if this ubuntu LOL LMAO i got it off the DEBIAN INSTALLER CD |
| 00:49.28 | h3sp4wn | (just like usually you need to be in sudoers |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | DavidProck1982: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say |
| 00:49.40 | rfrank | conreyt, really, I never added new users in ubuntu so I guess I wouldn't know, I just know it was auto setup for the first user |
| 00:49.45 | DavidProck1982 | ok one sec to dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 00:49.48 | pickcoder | ok.. atleast it's group restricted |
| 00:49.51 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: just asnwer abrotman's fucking question |
| 00:49.59 | DavidProck1982 | going to type it now |
| 00:50.11 | conreyt | rfrank: I can't say that I'm 100% sure either... |
| 00:50.13 | DavidProck1982 | it that a L or I |
| 00:50.15 | rfrank | :P |
| 00:50.17 | Guerin | l |
| 00:50.25 | pickcoder | lower case ell |
| 00:50.29 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: get a real font |
| 00:50.39 | DavidProck1982 | cap L or cap i |
| 00:50.40 | Guerin | ... but I suppose he's using the default ubuntu font |
| 00:50.45 | zood_ | What is the video format I should be recording into if I want to author a dvd later? |
| 00:50.49 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: lowercase fucking L |
| 00:50.49 | conreyt | such hostility.... |
| 00:50.52 | rfrank | zood_, mpeg2 |
| 00:50.58 | Guerin | conreyt: retardedness breeds hostility |
| 00:50.58 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 00:51.09 | conreyt | alot of retards then.... |
| 00:51.11 | krazykit | dpkg -"ell", tail -"one" |
| 00:51.14 | Guerin | conreyt: yes. |
| 00:51.39 | DavidProck1982 | so type """"dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1"""" |
| 00:51.50 | Guerin | ... |
| 00:51.52 | rfrank | wihtout hte four quotes |
| 00:51.57 | rfrank | o_O |
| 00:52.13 | conreyt | "breeds" still means something like "sires" does it not? |
| 00:52.25 | Guerin | peterS: can we fucking ban DavidProck1982 the retarded fuckwith who for the past christ knows how long has been cl;aiming to not be using ubuntu? |
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| 00:52.33 | conreyt | lol |
| 00:52.38 | wOOt | haha |
| 00:52.42 | DavidProck1982 | it say........ |
| 00:52.55 | slept | !beer Guerin |
| 00:52.57 | wireddd | just paste it already |
| 00:53.16 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: I have a Google link if you need to find out what it's supposed to say for Debian |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:53.29 | wireddd | haha |
| 00:53.37 | rfrank | haha |
| 00:53.51 | DavidProck1982 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library Shared libraries |
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| 00:54.06 | DavidProck1982 | is that good or bad |
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| 00:54.14 | wOOt | lol |
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| 00:54.33 | conreyt | give him some credit... He's standing up well to the onslaught. |
| 00:54.44 | rfrank | So, uh, what was the point of that |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | he's been going for weeks |
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| 00:55.00 | rfrank | I think we just wasted 10 minutes to see what version of libc he has |
| 00:55.06 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: that's more recent than sid |
| 00:55.35 | krazykit | no it isn't... |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | it is? |
| 00:55.35 | krazykit | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:55.35 | rfrank | well I'm using debian usntablle and I have that version |
| 00:55.35 | wireddd | I have that version in testing |
| 00:55.35 | pickcoder | should he really be running Sid in the first place? |
| 00:55.36 | rfrank | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:55.44 | DavidProck1982 | im useing etch / testing |
| 00:55.45 | rfrank | haha not if he doesn't know the difference between sudo and su |
| 00:55.48 | DavidProck1982 | BRB |
| 00:55.48 | pickcoder | I have 1-7 |
| 00:55.59 | pickcoder | but I'm updateing right now |
| 00:56.02 | slept | DavidProck1982, cat /proc/version |
| 00:56.16 | pickcoder | gah.. key is outdated |
| 00:56.53 | DavidProck1982 | 4.0 |
| 00:57.04 | rfrank | .... |
| 00:57.31 | krazykit | that isn't what /proc/version has in it for etch... |
| 00:57.43 | abrotman | that's not /proc/version on any distro |
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| 00:57.48 | rfrank | hah |
| 00:57.50 | slept | DavidProck1982, Linux version 2.6.18-2-686 (Debian 2.6.18-5) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19)) #1 SMP Wed Nov 8 19:52:12 UTC 2006 |
| 00:57.59 | slept | should look like this |
| 00:58.02 | rfrank | Linux version 2.6.18.3 (root@rfrank-linux) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 Sat Dec 2 20:03:51 EST 2006 |
| 00:58.09 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: you lose. |
| 00:58.09 | rfrank | or this |
| 00:58.13 | rfrank | I have newer kernel :D |
| 00:58.17 | rfrank | just compiled that last night |
| 00:58.17 | Guerin | peterS: can we ban him for fabricating output now? |
| 00:58.26 | rfrank | haha |
| 00:58.28 | slept | rfrank, SMP - you loose |
| 00:58.31 | pickcoder | gah.. I'm having key issues now |
| 00:58.31 | abrotman | slept: hint .. wait for him to provide it |
| 00:58.34 | rfrank | Aww. |
| 00:58.39 | rfrank | I shall have SMP soon |
| 00:58.43 | DavidProck1982 | aptitude is bizzy now |
| 00:58.47 | rfrank | in.. twenty-two days |
| 00:58.48 | rfrank | :D |
| 00:59.04 | slept | abrotman, no with the 4.0 he made him self loose |
| 00:59.04 | zood_ | so I can record some video by just doing `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg` but the files seem to be huge. I'm copying a very old vhs and don't need too much resolution. How can I lower the recording resolution? |
| 00:59.17 | kitche | DavidProck1982: jsut alt+F2 then do cat /proc/version |
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| 00:59.21 | abrotman | slept: but that's a valid number for an etch box .. |
| 00:59.25 | Guerin | zood_: raw files are huge. You should compress them using mencoder |
| 00:59.26 | rfrank | zood_, no, becuase thats capturing in some other raw format and you have to run it through an mpg encoder |
| 00:59.38 | grim | is dbus-viewer still provided in debian? and if so under what package? |
| 00:59.38 | DavidProck1982 | i was guessing ,,,,,,,,,, |
| 00:59.39 | slept | DavidProck1982, to repair you ubuntu do sudo passwd -d |
| 00:59.40 | rfrank | not sure how to run that through mencoder using stdout |
| 00:59.45 | rfrank | haha |
| 00:59.49 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: don't fucking guess, you fuckwit |
| 01:00.00 | slept | abrotman, yes, and everybody knows but cat gives back more |
| 01:00.04 | abrotman | DavidProck1982: are you IRCing from the box with problems ? |
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| 01:00.13 | rfrank | DavidProck1982, I would leave now, one of these guys will give you a command to reformat your disks and you won't know thats what it's doing |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | slept: you should have told him to do it again |
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| 01:00.25 | rfrank | DavidProck1982, for your own protection :P |
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| 01:00.33 | zood_ | Is there perhaps an easier way that cat /dev/video0... ? |
| 01:00.38 | DavidProck1982 | this is what it say on my machine , and will be the same on the other cause im useing the same cd to install |
| 01:00.56 | DavidProck1982 | on im on chat with the pc that does not need help |
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| 01:01.01 | abrotman | DavidProck1982: on your box that you're using right now .. in your IRC window type /exec -o cat /proc/version |
| 01:01.11 | abrotman | !tell castoff about root |
| 01:01.32 | DavidProck1982 | /exec -o cat /proc/version |
| 01:01.37 | rfrank | .... |
| 01:01.37 | abrotman | without the space |
| 01:01.47 | Guerin | abrotman: he's using gaim |
| 01:01.51 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 01:01.56 | abrotman | it has no /exec support ? |
| 01:01.57 | rfrank | oh, damn |
| 01:01.58 | rfrank | :P |
| 01:02.00 | rfrank | no it doesn't |
| 01:02.02 | DavidProck1982 | Linux version 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 |
| 01:02.05 | rfrank | whup |
| 01:02.05 | Guerin | no, because it's not actually an irc client |
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| 01:02.26 | DavidProck1982 | that is on my machine, it does not need the help |
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| 01:02.40 | DavidProck1982 | but i got the other one going now |
| 01:02.55 | rfrank | anyone here know how to pipe data from a dev to a program |
| 01:02.55 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: good. Can you fuck off now please? |
| 01:02.56 | rfrank | I forget how |
| 01:02.58 | pickcoder | what is up with the apt keys |
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| 01:03.13 | zood_ | What would be a good program to record video? (don't need anything like tv program schedualing. just need to do this once) |
| 01:03.16 | abrotman | damn it .. "Grandma Got Runover By a Reindeer" was on tv |
| 01:03.20 | rfrank | something like cat /dev/video0 >> mencoder (options) - |
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| 01:03.34 | abrotman | !tell castoff about root |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | castoff: you can't speak in here as root |
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| 01:04.54 | abrotman | --> castoff (n=root@rrcs-24-242-182-43.sw.biz.rr.com) has joined #debian |
| 01:05.01 | Guerin | abrotman: at least we know he's running debian |
| 01:05.04 | abrotman | rfrank: wouldn't you want a | |
| 01:05.06 | Guerin | or at least, not ubuntu |
| 01:05.13 | abrotman | Guerin: i'm still skeptical :) |
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| 01:06.00 | rfrank | abrotman, yeah, I guess I haven't every done stuff like this before |
| 01:06.10 | rfrank | piped stuff to more but nothing much else.. |
| 01:06.33 | rfrank | ever * |
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| 01:07.32 | rfrank | zood_, you might want to check out http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 01:07.47 | pickcoder | I've removed all the apt keys and reinstalled them, but I'm still getting a missing key error |
| 01:07.47 | pppoe_dude | http://g.unsa.edu.ar/ututo/ |
| 01:08.09 | Guerin | pppoe_dude: we don't care, |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | pickcoder: which key ? |
| 01:08.30 | pickcoder | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 01:08.36 | mosquitopsu | \quit |
| 01:08.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: apt-key list ? |
| 01:08.54 | pppoe_dude | Guerin, who are you? |
| 01:08.57 | pickcoder | just shows the recent 2D230C5F |
| 01:09.10 | abrotman | pppoe_dude: i don't care either :) |
| 01:09.20 | Guerin | pppoe_dude: someone who knows that e-ututo, noble though it is, is offtopic in #debian. |
| 01:09.38 | pppoe_dude | oh lol i just made a booboo |
| 01:09.39 | wols_ | spammers always interest me |
| 01:09.42 | pppoe_dude | ;) |
| 01:09.48 | pppoe_dude | (i.w. wrong chan) |
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| 01:09.54 | Guerin | ... |
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| 01:10.14 | Guerin | it seems the aliens have invaded earth and made everyone more stupid overnight |
| 01:10.28 | wols_ | that happened a long time ago |
| 01:10.39 | krazykit | wols_ beat me :-( |
| 01:10.45 | wols_ | the bad news is they repeatedly visit again and each time the iq drops another point |
| 01:10.47 | Guerin | wols_: seems to be a gradual degradation |
| 01:10.51 | Guerin | wols_: right. |
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| 01:11.19 | pppoe_dude | im not a spammer |
| 01:11.24 | abrotman | Guerin: or to paraphrase my boss ... "much more stupider" |
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| 01:11.35 | pickcoder | gah |
| 01:11.37 | pppoe_dude | and i don;t think im stupid. i made an honest mistake |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | conreyt: would you rather we torture you ? |
| 01:11.53 | DavidProck1982 | question i notice all these commands start with LS lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, what does the LS stand for |
| 01:12.02 | pickcoder | this is annoying |
| 01:12.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to make convert a single mpg file into the DVD format, and have the video automatically run (no menu) when the disc is put into a player? |
| 01:12.14 | pickcoder | I can't tell which source contains that key |
| 01:12.18 | conreyt | abrotman: feel free I'll start... I'm overweight |
| 01:12.20 | krazykit | Dark_Apostrophe: yes. list |
| 01:12.24 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: list, maybe |
| 01:12.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | list? |
| 01:12.36 | itchi | Dark_Apostrophe: oeps |
| 01:12.39 | abrotman | conreyt: so that makes you ... fat and stupid? :) |
| 01:12.48 | itchi | DavidProck1982: list, maybe |
| 01:12.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | itchi: Speak in full sentences please :P |
| 01:12.52 | conreyt | abrotman: and american and overpaid |
| 01:12.58 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 01:13.05 | conreyt | abrotman: and not that good looking |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | conreyt: ah .. no need to torture you .. you'll be dead soon |
| 01:13.40 | conreyt | abrotman: thx. *phew* I was worried. |
| 01:13.54 | conreyt | abrotman: I'll will you my server. |
| 01:13.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | krazykit: What do you mean by list? |
| 01:14.00 | abrotman | yeah .. i wouldn't want the world afflicted with you much longer either |
| 01:14.02 | Guerin | wols_: that's why they call it REtarded - they've been tarded again and again |
| 01:14.11 | krazykit | Dark_Apostrophe: wrong person, wasn't paying attention to tab-completion |
| 01:14.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | krazykit: Ok.. |
| 01:14.31 | itchi | krazykit: hehe :-p |
| 01:14.44 | Guerin | conreyt: you deign to be among we torturers or poor schmucks? |
| 01:14.50 | Guerin | conreyt: it's not wrong? |
| 01:14.57 | Guerin | or degrading? |
| 01:15.33 | zood_ | loosing.... patience... must... restrain self from... asking stupid... questions... |
| 01:15.41 | conreyt | guerin: I prefer the middleground... I assume that makes me a schmuck though |
| 01:15.47 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Looks to the command 'ls' and for what the abrevation stand for man ls ;-) |
| 01:15.47 | stoned | debian afaik doesn't even install sudo by default, base install that is. the installer asks you for a password for root, right before it asks you for to create a user. |
| 01:16.04 | Guerin | conreyt: not really, just uninformed |
| 01:16.23 | stoned | but if yours is setup like with sudo and you don't know the root password, then its not debian, or someone else set it up for you like that |
| 01:16.46 | conreyt | Guerin: so do I get my pretentious attitude when I get informed? Or is that seperate? |
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| 01:16.57 | stoned | way too late eh |
| 01:17.16 | Guerin | conreyt: nothing pretentious about anything ... just a matter of right place/time |
| 01:17.34 | conreyt | guerin: ah. |
| 01:17.41 | Guerin | but you can write it off as offensive if you like, by and large we don't care |
| 01:17.51 | pickcoder | dpkg's notes on the apt key aren't working |
| 01:17.54 | conreyt | guerin: I love that word "we" |
| 01:18.03 | pickcoder | I'm still getting a missing public key error on update |
| 01:18.06 | stoned | is it ever gonna stop |
| 01:18.09 | Guerin | pickcoder: /topic |
| 01:18.35 | Guerin | conreyt: we we we we, all the way home. |
| 01:18.43 | Guerin | :) |
| 01:18.46 | pickcoder | that should be in the key topic |
| 01:18.53 | abrotman | !no public key |
| 01:18.53 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 01:18.55 | stoned | Guerin, you like talking about your we we huh |
| 01:18.56 | stoned | lol |
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| 01:19.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to make convert a single mpg file into the DVD format, and have the video automatically run (no menu) when the disc is put into a player? |
| 01:19.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | (I hope I don't sound like a broken record) |
| 01:19.50 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: doom9.org |
| 01:20.11 | pickcoder | the keyring package is a nice addition |
| 01:20.15 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: this is almost as far from debian as you can get, since debian contains no dvd-making tools |
| 01:20.24 | abrotman | pickcoder: so does it work now ? |
| 01:20.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Yeah...but I don't know where to ask. |
| 01:20.37 | pickcoder | yes |
| 01:20.39 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: happily, you now do! |
| 01:20.42 | pickcoder | with the keyring pack installed |
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| 01:21.02 | bokey | where do i get mysql header files ? |
| 01:21.26 | abrotman | apt-cache -- search mysql -dev |
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| 01:21.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Those are all windows apps... |
| 01:22.26 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: the principles hold, you can use mencoder or other such. |
| 01:22.51 | pickcoder | Dark_Apostrophe: review the SVCD format |
| 01:23.02 | pickcoder | if you don't want chapters don't bother with DVD |
| 01:23.09 | bokey | abrotman, =) |
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| 01:23.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: I know I can, I just got no idea what options to pass to it. Or transcode for that manner. |
| 01:23.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | *matter. |
| 01:24.00 | htaccess | what does 'rc' mean in dpkg -l output mean? |
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| 01:24.23 | Guerin | htaccess: removed, config files remain |
| 01:25.32 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe #mencoder |
| 01:25.34 | Maakuth | !etch key |
| 01:25.34 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 01:25.36 | h3sp4wn | htaccess: aptitude search \~c (will give you all packages in that state) aptitude purge \~c will get rid of them |
| 01:26.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: It's empty |
| 01:26.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | pickcoder: I don't know if my DVD player supports video CDs. |
| 01:27.30 | pickcoder | you burn SVDC on CD |
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| 01:27.36 | krazykit | Dark_Apostrophe: if it was made in the last 5 years, it probably does |
| 01:27.46 | pickcoder | but you can burn SVCD on a DVD |
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| 01:27.57 | Ichigo | hi. |
| 01:28.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | krazykit: k... |
| 01:28.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | pickcoder: Alright, how do I make a SVCD? :P |
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| 01:28.30 | stylish | anyone here use bootsplash |
| 01:28.40 | Guerin | !anyone use bootsplash? |
| 01:28.41 | dpkg | No, no one uses bootsplash, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:30.17 | stylish | anyone here dare to use FreeBSD |
| 01:30.46 | rfrank | .. why can't I find mencoder in synaptic |
| 01:30.47 | rfrank | ftw |
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| 01:31.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | rfrank: It's part of mplayer |
| 01:31.53 | Guerin | rfrank: because it's not in debain, ask dpkg about it |
| 01:32.37 | abrotman | stylish: in #freebsd maybe ? |
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| 01:33.03 | rfrank | ah.. wait |
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| 01:33.17 | rfrank | just realized I forgot to run make install as root |
| 01:33.25 | rfrank | !dpkg mencoder |
| 01:33.31 | rfrank | .. how do I ask dpkg things |
| 01:33.44 | rfrank | ah I see |
| 01:33.45 | rfrank | nvm |
| 01:33.45 | Guerin | !selftell |
| 01:33.46 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 01:33.57 | DavidProck1982 | ok when i do lspci, the video card is nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x (rev a2), so what will i install to get the correct drivers, can someone please tell me |
| 01:34.06 | rfrank | it just tells me the usage |
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| 01:34.17 | optraz | hello, just curious, if i use rm -rf /home/admin/blah // can i undo the process? |
| 01:34.18 | rfrank | not why it isn't in debian O_O |
| 01:34.24 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 01:34.25 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 01:34.41 | DavidProck1982 | abrotman r u aasking me that |
| 01:34.48 | rfrank | ... |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | !r |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | it has been said that r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:34.55 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: try debian-multimedia |
| 01:34.58 | DavidProck1982 | are you, sorry |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | no . i'm showing how to find out for yourself |
| 01:35.11 | abrotman | something you need practice in |
| 01:35.13 | rfrank | o_O well I was able to compile mencoder so it isnt' really aproblem |
| 01:35.30 | odla | ne1 that's clever |
| 01:35.39 | DavidProck1982 | lspci tells me NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x (rev a2) |
| 01:35.44 | krazykit | optraz: no, not really. |
| 01:35.50 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 01:35.51 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 01:36.01 | optraz | krazykit, :( bad.... really no? |
| 01:36.10 | DavidProck1982 | nvidia but wghat is the command |
| 01:36.41 | krazykit | optraz: i think there might be an ext3 recovery tool, but i don't know much about it... i've always treated rm as something permanent |
| 01:36.53 | optraz | ok |
| 01:37.04 | optraz | krazykit, can u recall what is the name of the ext3 recovery tool ? |
| 01:37.04 | DavidProck1982 | how do i get the driver for that individule card |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | use nv |
| 01:37.15 | krazykit | optraz: nope. never used it. google would know |
| 01:37.17 | DavidProck1982 | and how do i tell what the name of the driver is |
| 01:37.27 | Ilovemypuppy | I sure would appreciate some help getting ndiswrapper set up. Ive got it installed, the system tries to wake up wlan0, but I can't get an ipaddress. i know i have something set incorrectly for /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf. if anyone's got a working one, or a good howto (theres so many) for using ndiswrapper with wpasupplicant on debian stable, I'd REALLY appreciate it |
| 01:37.30 | pickcoder | Dark_Apostrophe: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#menc-feat-vcd-dvd |
| 01:38.08 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: the driver is 'nv' |
| 01:38.20 | Ichigo | I;m trying to config mrtg in my debian box. I got this error in the cfgmaker and I get the no response received and this error skipping public@127.0.0.1 as no info could be retrieved |
| 01:39.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | pickcoder: Thanks |
| 01:39.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | pickcoder: PAL SVCD480x576 |
| 01:39.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think I'll stick to DVD |
| 01:40.12 | abrotman | peterS: they let anyone drive in kansas .. don't they ? |
| 01:40.25 | rfrank | bah svcds suck |
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| 01:40.38 | Guerin | rfrank: tell that to asia |
| 01:40.53 | pickcoder | Dark_Apostrophe: you can use the same tool with dvdauthor to output a DVD |
| 01:41.10 | Ichigo | It's having problems with the version of snmp that cfgmaker is using |
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| 01:41.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | pickcoder: k, thanks :) |
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| 01:43.44 | DavidProck1982 | when i do module-assistant how do i know if i chose nvidia-kernel OR nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 01:44.17 | DavidProck1982 | NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x (rev a2) |
| 01:44.18 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: you read the doc |
| 01:44.31 | DavidProck1982 | whick documents |
| 01:44.40 | DavidProck1982 | which* |
| 01:44.41 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: to those packages |
| 01:44.48 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: or fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 01:44.50 | DavidProck1982 | how whast and where |
| 01:44.56 | DavidProck1982 | later |
| 01:44.59 | odla | Guerin, it's justfuckinggoogleit.com |
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| 01:45.04 | Guerin | odla: try it |
| 01:45.19 | odla | Guerin, that's a porn site! |
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| 01:45.26 | Guerin | odla: nope. |
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| 01:46.03 | odla | that's great :) |
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| 01:46.58 | optraz | krazykit, what is the keyword to googlef or ? |
| 01:47.31 | krazykit | optraz: iunno. i recall other people asking and finding something. i assumed it was like "ext3 file recovery deleted" |
| 01:48.12 | rfrank | how do I edit the system programs menu |
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| 01:48.25 | rfrank | the menu in the corner in xfce |
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| 01:48.35 | rfrank | at the place where the programs are it just says include system |
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| 01:49.35 | optraz | krazykit, thanks |
| 01:49.41 | optraz | krazykit, dont think can revert back :( |
| 01:50.37 | krazykit | optraz: you don't "revert back" anyway. maybe "ext3 undelete" |
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| 01:55.01 | peerless | has anyone else had problems with xmlXPathSetContextCache being needed by libxslt and not finding it when dpkg is configuring packages, this is on testing |
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| 01:57.59 | stylish | is kde-look down |
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| 01:58.36 | Guerin | !htfswk stylish |
| 01:58.37 | wOOt | stylish, it seems so |
| 01:58.37 | dpkg | stylish: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:58.44 | wOOt | lol |
| 02:00.04 | dark_light | dark_light, it seems so |
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| 02:00.20 | dark_light | ah |
| 02:00.33 | dark_light | it's !htfswk, heh |
| 02:01.28 | DavidProck1982 | can any one in here be of any help at all to me, tell me exzactly what to do, i cant get the xserver running, i have a nvidia card, oh and if YOU did not notice im chatting on a different pc |
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| 02:02.32 | dark_light | DavidProck1982, any error message? |
| 02:02.52 | DavidProck1982 | can not start xserver, dont remember it word for word |
| 02:03.09 | dark_light | try |
| 02:03.11 | dark_light | it |
| 02:03.22 | DavidProck1982 | try what |
| 02:03.24 | rfrank | hm.. |
| 02:03.31 | dark_light | without knowing what is happening, i can't help you, DavidProck1982 |
| 02:03.42 | DavidProck1982 | i need the drivers i think |
| 02:03.43 | dark_light | try opening X again |
| 02:03.51 | rfrank | dd if=/home/mybrother/sandwhich of=/home/rfrank/sandwhich |
| 02:03.57 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: just use fucking nv |
| 02:04.02 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: not nvidia-anything |
| 02:04.08 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 02:04.23 | Quintin | Mail sent by my host is going to bitbucket on remote host :( |
| 02:04.35 | Guerin | Quintin: why? |
| 02:04.39 | dark_light | DavidProck1982, so get it. but you * do not * need nvidia's driver to open X with a nvidia card (the default vga driver just works with nvidia cards) |
| 02:05.02 | abrotman | Guerin: wait for the proof! |
| 02:05.08 | DavidProck1982 | i have did the reconfigure of xserver-xorg |
| 02:05.13 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: do it again |
| 02:05.13 | Quintin | Guerin: dunno :( cause IP is dynamic? I've never been an open relay or anything like that |
| 02:05.17 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: choose nv this time |
| 02:05.18 | Quintin | abrotman: bitching won't get it sooner. |
| 02:05.21 | Miesco | How come I have like 6 processes of proftpd running and I cant close them? |
| 02:05.21 | DavidProck1982 | 3 times all ready |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | Quintin: won't make you correct either :) |
| 02:05.32 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: do it fucking properly |
| 02:05.37 | Quintin | abrotman: that makes no sense, but ok |
| 02:05.44 | Guerin | !htfswk Miesco |
| 02:05.45 | dpkg | Miesco: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 02:05.53 | Quintin | Guerin: want me to send you a message? |
| 02:05.58 | Quintin | Miesco: man kill |
| 02:06.00 | DavidProck1982 | fucking BRB |
| 02:06.01 | Guerin | Quintin: all remote hosts, or just some? |
| 02:06.03 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 02:06.13 | Quintin | Guerin: Yahoo > bitbucket. Gmail > spam folder |
| 02:06.27 | Miesco | Guerin: Well I did /etc/init.d/proftpd stop, and killall proftpd, and their still there |
| 02:06.34 | Guerin | Quintin: probably want to wash it through a legitimate mail server. |
| 02:06.35 | Quintin | Miesco: killall -9, n00b |
| 02:06.43 | Miesco | Quintin: Thanks |
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| 02:06.51 | Guerin | Miesco: yes, killing the daemon won't kill any extant connections. |
| 02:06.57 | Guerin | nooo |
| 02:06.57 | Quintin | KILL -9 AND YOUR PROCCESSES ARE MINE |
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| 02:07.05 | Quintin | Everyone heard that song? |
| 02:07.06 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.08 | pickcoder | -9 can be dangerous |
| 02:07.13 | Quintin | Pussies!! |
| 02:07.20 | Quintin | I don't have a server to wash it through. :\ |
| 02:07.22 | kolla | pkill -9 -f proftpd |
| 02:07.23 | krazykit | -9 is short for "smite" |
| 02:07.50 | Miesco | ??? |
| 02:07.53 | pickcoder | -9 is a last resort if nothing else in the universe will make it stop |
| 02:07.56 | Guerin | Quintin: technical impossibility doesn't appear to be an obstacle for you in other areas ... |
| 02:07.57 | rfrank | ps faux | grep "proftpd" |
| 02:08.08 | rfrank | kill all the ones you don't want: kill <pid> |
| 02:08.09 | rfrank | o_O |
| 02:08.20 | Quintin | Guerin: I didn't say that that was something I could do, but that someone else has done it. |
| 02:08.29 | Quintin | kill -9! Don't listen to these guys. :) |
| 02:08.30 | DaftDog | how can i install a certain (old) version of a tool, or rather downgrade from a newer version to an older one again? |
| 02:08.38 | Quintin | DaftDog: UTSL! |
| 02:08.39 | kolla | pgrep -l proftpd |
| 02:08.49 | Guerin | DaftDog: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 02:08.56 | rfrank | sudo dpkg --purge packagename |
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| 02:09.02 | rfrank | then find the newer package in synaptic and install it |
| 02:09.10 | Miesco | Does not work |
| 02:09.17 | Guerin | Miesco: offer it more money |
| 02:09.26 | Miesco | How is -9 dangerous? |
| 02:09.28 | Quintin | zomg |
| 02:09.32 | Quintin | I'm the best admin ever |
| 02:09.33 | Guerin | Miesco: man kill |
| 02:09.34 | DavidProck1982 | pickcoder: it say o packages will be install or upgraded or removed |
| 02:09.35 | rfrank | Miesco, type ps faux | grep "ftpd" |
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| 02:09.42 | Quintin | My router's been up longer than your whole network combined, I'll wager. |
| 02:09.44 | rfrank | the second column is the pid |
| 02:09.47 | rfrank | so kill <pid? |
| 02:09.50 | rfrank | so kill <pid> |
| 02:09.51 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: why have you not done what I fucking told you to do? |
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| 02:09.53 | rfrank | of the ones you do'nt ant |
| 02:09.53 | DavidProck1982 | aka nothing to do |
| 02:09.56 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: if you're running Etch it should be there |
| 02:10.04 | DavidProck1982 | ya etch |
| 02:10.09 | Guerin | pickcoder: already installed. |
| 02:10.20 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:10.28 | DavidProck1982 | Guerin: You have Not gave me any info that has worked so far, |
| 02:10.33 | Quintin | So what kind of free thing can I use for a "smart host"? |
| 02:10.43 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: only because you're too fucking stupid to actually follow my goddamn instructions |
| 02:10.49 | Miesco | K -9 worked |
| 02:10.55 | DaftDog | rfrank: i want to DOWNgrade not upgrade |
| 02:10.58 | Quintin | Miesco: <3 |
| 02:11.00 | DavidProck1982 | then list the command for me to run |
| 02:11.11 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg drxx. choose 'nv' |
| 02:11.16 | DavidProck1982 | command(s) |
| 02:11.23 | DavidProck1982 | that did not help |
| 02:11.26 | Guerin | then you cap piss off back to #ubuntu |
| 02:11.31 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: then you did it wrong |
| 02:11.32 | DavidProck1982 | dpkg: i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 02:11.32 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, DavidProck1982 |
| 02:11.57 | DavidProck1982 | 1981 not 1982 |
| 02:12.03 | DavidProck1982 | brb bath room |
| 02:12.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:12.17 | kolla | hehe |
| 02:13.19 | kolla | is there a newer udev for sarge around, for those of us who want to use newer kernels? |
| 02:13.36 | wols_ | Quintin: googlemail |
| 02:13.39 | Guerin | kolla: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 02:13.41 | DavidProck1982 | IM BACK |
| 02:13.49 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: HOW SAD |
| 02:13.51 | Quintin | wols_: hmmmm? |
| 02:14.01 | wols_ | 03:10 < Quintin> So what kind of free thing can I use for a "smart host"? |
| 02:14.10 | DaftDog | problem is eversince i upgraded apache to 2.2.3 from 2.0.55 i only get 403 errors on my zope-site... |
| 02:14.14 | kolla | thanx |
| 02:14.16 | Quintin | wols_: Yes. more details, please. |
| 02:14.25 | DaftDog | so i thought i'd go back to 2.0.55 |
| 02:14.31 | Quintin | #ubuntu2 is better :) |
| 02:14.34 | Guerin | DaftDog: why not fix the problem? |
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| 02:14.56 | wols_ | Quintin: google will relay your mail for you if you have a gmail account |
| 02:14.59 | wols_ | using smtp auth |
| 02:15.15 | Quintin | wols_: mmm. ok, I will look into that. |
| 02:15.43 | Guerin | wols_: woo, cool. |
| 02:15.46 | DaftDog | Guerin: i'd love to, but i have no clue where it's coming from |
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| 02:16.03 | Guerin | wols_: does it rewrite the from: and reply-to: |
| 02:16.04 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:16.16 | Guerin | DaftDog: neither do I, but the apache logs do. |
| 02:16.17 | wols_ | Guerin: then it wouldn't be a relay, now would it? |
| 02:16.26 | DaftDog | Guerin: no they don't... |
| 02:16.27 | Guerin | wols_: a proper relay! |
| 02:17.03 | Guerin | wols_: you know it's just so they can read ALL your email ;) |
| 02:17.09 | wols_ | problem is, it does a few bad things |
| 02:17.14 | wols_ | http://pluralsight.com/blogs/mike/archive/2005/10/18.aspx |
| 02:17.15 | pickcoder | DaftDog: the first place to look would be the site-specific configs |
| 02:17.18 | Quintin | Guerin: Paranoid, much? |
| 02:17.24 | wols_ | Quintin: he's right |
| 02:17.30 | Quintin | so |
| 02:17.32 | Guerin | Quintin: i'd reply, but someone might notice. |
| 02:17.36 | Quintin | I've got nothing to hide!!! |
| 02:17.46 | Quintin | (if I do it's encrypted) |
| 02:17.56 | grendal_prime | well that went nice..etch is pretty damn cool |
| 02:18.07 | grendal_prime | lots of kinky desktop stuff |
| 02:18.08 | Guerin | grendal_prime: did it ask you for a root password? |
| 02:18.23 | Guerin | grendal_prime: and does it have sudo configured for ALL by default? |
| 02:18.31 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 02:18.31 | DaftDog | pickcoder: i've been through them... they look fine, and as i said, they worked in 2.0.55 |
| 02:18.43 | pickcoder | DaftDog: then something in the config changed |
| 02:18.45 | grendal_prime | hmmm not sure...on the second one..the first one ya it asked for a root password |
| 02:18.48 | Guerin | Quintin: your ISP should provide a smtp relay as well |
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| 02:18.59 | Quintin | Guerin: My ISP can go to hell! |
| 02:19.08 | DavidProck1982 | how can i seg the source |
| 02:19.12 | DaftDog | rewrites work fine too, it's just the zope stuff it won't access |
| 02:19.15 | Quintin | I'm probably going to have a business DSL line installed soon. 'cause this cable shit isn't cutting it. |
| 02:19.15 | Guerin | Quintin: most of them are already there, if you have one which isn't, you should look after it. |
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| 02:19.57 | grendal_prime | wow...straight to hell? |
| 02:20.01 | mike- | anyone know when 4.0 release date? |
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| 02:20.03 | grendal_prime | as in do not pass go even? |
| 02:20.16 | Guerin | mike-: the day after the day before it's ready |
| 02:20.24 | grendal_prime | Guerin, did you have a problem with an etch install? |
| 02:20.24 | mike- | wow |
| 02:20.35 | Guerin | grendal_prime: most of them get one free go around the board |
| 02:20.43 | Guerin | grendal_prime: no |
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| 02:21.18 | mike- | i would like to net install kde only? |
| 02:21.31 | Quintin | I hate dumbasses trying to protect users from themselves. :\ |
| 02:21.33 | Guerin | wols_: wow, that's a funky bit of evilness |
| 02:21.38 | grendal_prime | the konq browser is miles ahead of the one in sarge 3.3 i believe |
| 02:21.49 | grendal_prime | yahoo mail even works |
| 02:21.50 | pickcoder | it still blows up, though |
| 02:22.03 | grendal_prime | hasnt on me..well not yet. |
| 02:22.39 | pickcoder | but, yeah, it's a lot better |
| 02:22.43 | grendal_prime | i did put the beta 9 flash plugin on though |
| 02:22.56 | grendal_prime | that thing is pretty damn cool |
| 02:23.04 | mike- | it works for me |
| 02:23.06 | pickcoder | I only use Gnome occasionally |
| 02:23.06 | Quintin | grendal_prime: barf |
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| 02:23.15 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 02:23.27 | Guerin | Quintin: OMG, we agree! |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | PROOF! |
| 02:23.47 | Quintin | !dict barf |
| 02:23.49 | grendal_prime | you can actually use the desktop if you have that browser installed |
| 02:23.51 | dpkg | Dictionary 'barf' (1 of 7): 3. To fail to work because of unacceptable input, perhaps with a suitable error message, perhaps not. Examples: "The division operation barfs if you try to divide by 0." (That is, the division operation checks for an attempt to divide by zero, and if one is encountered it causes the operation to fail in some unspecified, but generally obvious, manner.) "The text editor barfs if you try to read in a new file before ... |
| 02:24.08 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: I still install mozilla and use it instead of konq |
| 02:24.12 | Quintin | !puke |
| 02:24.17 | Quintin | .. |
| 02:24.19 | Quintin | !vomit |
| 02:24.20 | dpkg | i guess vomit is what you do when you see the start menu |
| 02:24.25 | Quintin | hehe |
| 02:24.28 | pickcoder | I use it mostly for the 3DM2 tools for 3ware |
| 02:24.43 | krazykit | especially when i have to start supporting windows vista i'll barf :-( |
| 02:24.43 | grendal_prime | ya pickcoder in fact i have found sites (with the old konq anyway) that simply will not work unless you use mozilla... |
| 02:24.44 | CrippsFX | I tried to install the "serel" package, but dpkg had issues with it, so I dercided to not instsall it ... now, every time I try to run "apt-get install <pkg>", apt bitches about dpkg and dpkg's issues trying to configure serel. I've tried running "apt-get clean all" and "apt-get update" ... is there anything else I can try to make the problem go away? |
| 02:24.51 | grendal_prime | and i dont mean firefox |
| 02:25.02 | Guerin | grendal_prime: those sites probably aren't worth using |
| 02:25.13 | grendal_prime | ? turbotax for the web? |
| 02:25.20 | grendal_prime | ya...kinda needed it bro |
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| 02:26.06 | grendal_prime | at the time it was the only tax service i could find that would work with linux in any way. and they didnt guarentee it but it did work. |
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| 02:27.08 | rfrank | how do I find the busid for a certain pci card |
| 02:27.12 | grendal_prime | well, all in all, im still using sarge on my laptop. i do too much stuff with it to change it at this time. However the machine i just built if for the wife and kids... |
| 02:27.16 | rfrank | lspci does it but in hex.. how do I convert that for use in xorg conf |
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| 02:27.44 | donkey_shot | waaah haahh haaaa cool -O9 |
| 02:27.56 | grendal_prime | already they see marked improvements...1 etch acutally with xorg installed the 3d acc drivers for the card with no assistance, (and finally googleearth works.) |
| 02:27.57 | donkey_shot | strip strip strip |
| 02:29.11 | grendal_prime | one bazar thing im looking into now though...as soon as i set up the second drive and mounted it..things seem to have slowed down? that make any sence at all? |
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| 02:29.29 | CrippsFX | *coughs* "bizarre" |
| 02:29.47 | grendal_prime | ya bizarre...that too |
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| 02:30.00 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 02:30.09 | krazykit | grendal_prime: the whole time? it could just be locate indexing the files |
| 02:30.10 | CrippsFX | spelling nazi strikes again! ;) |
| 02:30.43 | grendal_prime | krazykit, there isnt very much on it.. |
| 02:30.59 | krazykit | strange. it /shouldn't |
| 02:31.03 | krazykit | / |
| 02:31.05 | grendal_prime | i mean..its the media storage disk |
| 02:31.15 | grendal_prime | and its only 20 gigs |
| 02:31.20 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: USB? |
| 02:31.32 | grendal_prime | no...ide..on the second ide channell |
| 02:31.52 | pickcoder | primary on channel "2"? |
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| 02:33.04 | grendal_prime | ya, think so |
| 02:33.52 | grendal_prime | abrotman, the default install i put on the machine yesterday, needed a desktop, and it put gnome on there |
| 02:33.56 | grendal_prime | i tore it off though. |
| 02:34.01 | rfrank | hope this works |
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| 02:34.11 | pickcoder | I use gnome on etch |
| 02:34.14 | CrippsFX | I used to run gnome, but I like openbox ... it's very unobtrusive |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: does epiphany work for you ? |
| 02:34.25 | pickcoder | can't imagine why anyone would want to do that |
| 02:34.27 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:34.31 | pickcoder | I don't use it |
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| 02:34.36 | CrippsFX | pickcoder, :P |
| 02:34.43 | pickcoder | except pulling up mozilla once every 3 months |
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| 02:35.04 | grendal_prime | i dont like the way dialog boxes work in gnome. i can never seem to get them to do what i want. |
| 02:35.14 | CrippsFX | it's good enough to do what I need. |
| 02:35.16 | pickcoder | abrotman: I can install it tomorrow if you want |
| 02:35.33 | abrotman | pickcoder: nah .. i was just wondering .. it seems to be looking for something it can't find .. just keeps polling |
| 02:35.45 | pickcoder | hm |
| 02:35.54 | pickcoder | wonder if I can get X to load here |
| 02:35.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:36.11 | pickcoder | I think X didn't like the vid card |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | which video card ? |
| 02:36.37 | grendal_prime | how often does locate run the update feature? |
| 02:36.43 | pickcoder | I dunno.. it was a free gateway desktop |
| 02:36.47 | pickcoder | lemme look in lspci |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | neomagic! |
| 02:36.58 | CrippsFX | does anybody have serel or something similar running on their box/boxen ? |
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| 02:37.09 | rfrank | x11 config file is /etc/x11/xorg.conf right |
| 02:37.19 | enouf | rfrank: yeah |
| 02:37.24 | enouf | no |
| 02:37.32 | rfrank | okay.. is there any reason why it wouldn't be reloaded |
| 02:37.33 | pickcoder | riva tnt2 |
| 02:37.35 | enouf | it;s /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:37.36 | rfrank | I just put in stuff for dual monitor |
| 02:37.38 | rfrank | and it didn't work |
| 02:37.39 | rfrank | yeah |
| 02:37.44 | rfrank | with capitalization, I know |
| 02:37.44 | CrippsFX | .. basically, I'm looking for a way to dramatically increase my boot time, and apparently serel allows the bootscripts to run in paralell ... |
| 02:37.50 | enouf | rfrank: notice the caps |
| 02:37.54 | enouf | oh ok |
| 02:37.56 | rfrank | CrippsFX, remove services you dnon't need |
| 02:37.57 | rfrank | yeah |
| 02:37.59 | rfrank | I had the caps |
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| 02:38.05 | rfrank | but for some reason I just rebooted and no dual monitors |
| 02:38.07 | rfrank | I'm not sure why |
| 02:38.19 | CrippsFX | rfrank, yeah, that's another way I'm going about improving my boot time. |
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| 02:38.22 | krazykit | CrippsFX: decrease your boot time, you mean? initng is pretty good, too |
| 02:38.22 | pickcoder | CrippsFX: you want to increase your boot time? |
| 02:38.35 | rfrank | o_O |
| 02:38.39 | CrippsFX | er ... sorry, DECREASES boot time ;) |
| 02:38.59 | CrippsFX | krazykit, isn't initng in etch by default? |
| 02:39.24 | simonrvn | it's in etch, and no not part of base |
| 02:39.38 | pickcoder | brb.. hopping on the other machine |
| 02:40.08 | CrippsFX | hm ... "apt-cache search initrg" produces no results, and I don't see initng in "apt-cache search init" |
| 02:40.39 | CrippsFX | ... I have "main contrib non-free" in my /etc/apt/sources.list" ... so, it *should* be there ... |
| 02:42.08 | DaftDog | how can i get apache 2.0.55 back with apt? in noob-form please |
| 02:43.15 | odla | what's noob-form? |
| 02:43.21 | odla | is that like point form? |
| 02:43.24 | CrippsFX | odla, spoon-feeding |
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| 02:44.22 | DaftDog | exactly |
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| 02:45.22 | CrippsFX | DaftDog, well ... the closest thing to spoon-feeding that you're going to get here is either: "!apache" or "try apt-cache search apache, then read man apt" |
| 02:45.23 | zood_ | I can `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg` with no problems but when I `ffmpeg test.mpg` I get "Could not find video grab device". What's the problem? |
| 02:45.30 | CrippsFX | !apache |
| 02:45.30 | dpkg | methinks apache is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; see (apache-common ; apache-dev ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl); they are also Native Americans. or cool helicopters, or ask me about apache-perl5.6, or ask me about apache manual |
| 02:46.14 | bucky_ | !apache2 |
| 02:46.15 | dpkg | i heard apache2 is a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
| 02:46.30 | CrippsFX | bucky_, you one-upped me on this one ;) |
| 02:46.43 | bucky_ | he did say apache2 |
| 02:46.58 | CrippsFX | bucky_, yeah ... a minor oversight on my behalf. |
| 02:47.11 | CrippsFX | alright .. Imma go restart to check out initng |
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| 02:47.40 | enouf | heh |
| 02:48.18 | pickcoder2 | epiphany loaded google just fine |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | no .. the browser won't even start for me |
| 02:50.13 | pickcoder2 | lemme see if there's an update |
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| 02:51.57 | pickcoder2 | nope.. only totem got upgraded after I finished putting gnome on |
| 02:52.06 | CrippsFX | yep ... initng definitely sped things up some ... sooo ... anything else I can to do further decrease my boot-time ? |
| 02:52.30 | krazykit | CrippsFX: buy a faster processor |
| 02:52.35 | CrippsFX | krazykit, :P |
| 02:52.40 | CrippsFX | ...I'm on a laptop. |
| 02:52.44 | krazykit | so? |
| 02:52.47 | krazykit | you can upgrade them |
| 02:53.00 | CrippsFX | ...okay ... I'm a student ;) |
| 02:53.02 | krazykit | core2duo is the same socket as core duo, as i recall |
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| 02:53.06 | krazykit | me too |
| 02:53.12 | pickcoder2 | abrotman: strace it from command line |
| 02:53.15 | CrippsFX | I'm using a turion64 |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | pickcoder: i did .. it keeps polling .. i'll see if it persists tomorrow |
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| 02:54.50 | pickcoder | polling what? the socket? |
| 02:54.55 | nvz | CrippsFX: remove any unneeded init.d script links, build a small custom kernel with modules you need.. or just reorder the init.d scripts.. you could perhaps make inetd, exim, and all those net related things come up after your display manager to make it appear as though it loaded faster |
| 02:55.14 | abrotman | probably a system service |
| 02:55.17 | CrippsFX | nvz, hm. good ideas. |
| 02:55.37 | CrippsFX | I think I shall work on those. |
| 02:55.57 | nvz | CrippsFX: thats one of the tricks windows uses, loads a lot after login.. and also uses a series of different screens with moving stuff to make the illusion its booting faster, when actually they just added like 3 extra screens from previous versions |
| 02:56.07 | nvz | gives you more of a sense its doing something |
| 02:56.24 | kr0nos | lol |
| 02:56.26 | CrippsFX | haha ... just gets the user using things sooner ... |
| 02:56.35 | pickcoder | nvz: I was just thinking .... "yeah.. make it act more like windows booting.." |
| 02:56.38 | pickcoder | sad.... |
| 02:56.54 | CrippsFX | sure is sad ... |
| 02:57.10 | CrippsFX | ... oh well ... getting me using it sooner isn't all bad. |
| 02:57.40 | nvz | pickcoder: the reordering of init.d scripts is the best idea i've ever had for boot time.. U'll have to play around with that and try something that gets the login screen up real fast without sacrificing anything. |
| 02:58.04 | pickcoder | I'm not denying it doesn't work |
| 02:58.18 | Ichigo | HI, mi gcc is giving some troubles |
| 02:58.26 | pickcoder | provided the memory, disk, and CPU can finish the pre-loads before the desktop manager loads |
| 02:58.33 | Ichigo | it's say that my C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 02:58.49 | CrippsFX | yeah ... I just moved kdm to just past ssh and all that jazz, but before cron, etc. |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | pickcoder: it's a dbus problem .. go figure |
| 02:58.57 | pickcoder | my PC at work is a fairly beefy box and Win XP won't let me do anything for 1-2 minutes after my desktop shows up |
| 02:59.05 | pickcoder | quite annoying |
| 02:59.11 | solid_liq | is it possible to install the root partition in debian under an LVM? |
| 02:59.25 | CrippsFX | pickcoder, yeah ... same here. |
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| 02:59.34 | yassine | do i have to make modules_install after a custom kernel compiling to a deb package ? |
| 02:59.38 | viator | anyone use gdesklets |
| 02:59.44 | pickcoder | I'd rather see a boot screen when it's actually booting stuff |
| 02:59.44 | solid_liq | that is, in a logical volume under LVM? |
| 02:59.46 | viator | i keep getting this error |
| 02:59.48 | pickcoder | but that's personal preference |
| 02:59.50 | viator | http://pastebin.ca/266410 |
| 02:59.53 | CrippsFX | ...that's why I love linux .... because I can choose lighter utilities to make the damn machine use less resources. |
| 03:00.04 | grendal_prime | who prefers xine over mplayer |
| 03:00.05 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:00.22 | CrippsFX | umm ... I'm using kaffeine with xine instead of mplayer ... |
| 03:00.22 | nvz | I say you could probably delay apache,samba,ssh,exim,inetd..etc from rc2.d untill after the dm is loaded and get do your DE a lot faster |
| 03:00.35 | CrippsFX | I prefer the xine UIs over the standard mplayer one. |
| 03:00.40 | anddreaz | can i change my os's fingerprint? |
| 03:00.41 | solid_liq | I think I'm using xine in my kaffeine too |
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| 03:00.50 | zood_ | I prefer xine |
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| 03:01.05 | pickcoder | nvz: true |
| 03:01.10 | nvz | I dont figure its a good idea to move scripts from rc.S to rc.2 to speed things up |
| 03:01.15 | zood_ | Since were talking about video... |
| 03:01.16 | CrippsFX | nvz, oddly enough, I have ssh and apache starting in rc5 |
| 03:01.25 | zood_ | I can `cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg` with no problems but when I `ffmpeg test.mpg` I get "Could not find video grab device". What gives? |
| 03:01.25 | CrippsFX | nvz, and I don't even use samba ;) |
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| 03:01.49 | solid_liq | anyone know if I can install / into a logical volume using LVM? |
| 03:01.50 | grendal_prime | is there a mozilla plugin for xine? |
| 03:01.52 | nvz | CrippsFX: well by default debian puts the same links in all runlevels 2-5 and boots to 2 |
| 03:01.56 | pickcoder | zood_: is video4linux installed? |
| 03:02.00 | CrippsFX | ahh |
| 03:02.14 | Ichigo | mplayer rocks |
| 03:02.19 | zood_ | pickcoder: I believe... How would I check? |
| 03:02.24 | CrippsFX | nvz, so anything I want to play around for booting, I should do in rc2.d then? |
| 03:02.27 | grendal_prime | ive always used mplayer. |
| 03:02.53 | grendal_prime | but ummm this install on etch sort of defaulted in the way of xine |
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| 03:03.14 | nvz | CrippsFX: at first.. I've never tried any of this.. but I have thought many times before about how to make it boot faster and shit for new users to make it a little more attractive |
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| 03:03.41 | CrippsFX | nvz, ach so. Well, I'll give it a shot ... and then I'll report back with some results. |
| 03:03.43 | grendal_prime | amen nvz |
| 03:03.44 | nvz | CrippsFX: sounds like a good idea.. and who knows maybe you could move some things from rcS to rc2 |
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| 03:03.59 | CrippsFX | hm ... I really should write this stuff down. |
| 03:04.25 | CrippsFX | I think I'll go to bed now so that I can get up in the morning for work ... but I'll try some of this tweaking tomorrow in the office. |
| 03:04.53 | wireddd | can't you initiallize a binch of things at the same time? |
| 03:04.56 | nvz | CrippsFX: because rcS gets processed first, and does essential things, but if you are delaying network services, you could probably delay bringing up the network at all |
| 03:05.12 | CrippsFX | hm. valid point. |
| 03:05.23 | zood_ | pickcoder: yeah video4linux seems to be installed. I can v4lctl |
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| 03:05.40 | nvz | the main reason the boot system works this way is because it wants things to come up in order and all be running before anyone can login so they dont try to do something and it not work |
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| 03:06.44 | nvz | but if you for whatever reason cannot get DHCP that hangs on network start, then again on exim.. and like tripples your boot time.. where if you are offline anyhow moving them till after gdm allows you to login and work while they are starting |
| 03:06.53 | FarrisG | anyone know how to rename a file that starts with a hyphen? |
| 03:07.04 | CrippsFX | yeah. alright, I'm out for now guys (and gals?) ... I'll ruffle some more feathers tomorrow ;) |
| 03:07.32 | nvz | FarrisG: heh |
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| 03:07.54 | FarrisG | nvz: :) Yeah, and then my next question would be, does anyone know how the hell I managed to create it? |
| 03:08.20 | nvz | FarrisG: I was thinking you d/l it off some p2p network and its pr0n |
| 03:08.40 | kr0nos | haha |
| 03:08.44 | krazykit | FarrisG: mv \-filename filename |
| 03:08.47 | FarrisG | nvz: No, I actually created it somehow. It's a folder in my Maildir. |
| 03:08.58 | FarrisG | nvs: *doh* |
| 03:09.15 | DaftDog | ok i found the error (after only 3 hours...)... the proxy module was split up into several submodules and unless one loads proxy_http.load it doesn't work |
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| 03:10.04 | FarrisG | krazykit: No go |
| 03:10.14 | krazykit | FarrisG: i just noticed that that didn't work... |
| 03:10.54 | nvz | FarrisG: mv -- -foo foo |
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| 03:11.39 | FarrisG | nvz: That worked, thanks |
| 03:11.48 | zood_ | can anyone recommend a simple way to grab video (besides ffmpeg)? |
| 03:11.50 | krazykit | oh, you -- then? good to know |
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| 03:17.41 | lastnode | is there an alternate dhcp client i can use? for soem reason dhclient just doesn't work sometimes. |
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| 03:20.54 | loopdee | hey that dd to make a disk image, can the image be read by norton ghost explorer? |
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| 03:21.41 | bucky | !pump |
| 03:21.41 | dpkg | hmm... pump is the default DHCP client in potato, but it has Issues with lease expiration, and passing data to the DHCP server (see "home-dhcp"). Try "apt-get install dhcp-client". try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" |
| 03:21.42 | krazykit | loopdee: no, don't think so |
| 03:21.58 | loopdee | ok |
| 03:22.52 | grendal_prime | xine seems to be working quite well with the exception of the konq browser plugin. |
| 03:22.54 | grendal_prime | bummer |
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| 03:26.59 | loopdee | hmmm, is there a way to read and extract the contents of a dd image? |
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| 03:28.32 | krazykit | loopdee: you can mount it. mount -t auto -o loop /your/image /mnt/point |
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| 03:29.11 | loopdee | sweet |
| 03:29.18 | loopdee | thanks krazykit |
| 03:29.29 | krazykit | you can mount iso images the same way |
| 03:30.03 | zood_ | what does myth actually use to capture video? |
| 03:30.10 | nvz | hmm "102 1012 0.0 0.3 5304 980 ? Ss 11:22 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4..." o.O |
| 03:30.13 | loopdee | well i definatly learned something new |
| 03:31.01 | rfrank | can someone here help me with dual monitors |
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| 03:31.46 | lastnode | are there country specific debian mailing lists? id like to create one for Sri Lanka. who do i talk to? |
| 03:32.19 | krazykit | lastnode: as far as i know, they tend to be language specific. |
| 03:32.25 | nvz | the user and group "Debian-exim" have the respective u/g ids 102 but for some reason that shows up as just 102 in my ps output |
| 03:32.26 | lastnode | krazykit, oh right |
| 03:32.43 | abrotman | what's the country code for sri lanka? |
| 03:33.02 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 03:33.08 | krazykit | ce, i think |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/i18n.html |
| 03:33.09 | nvz | making a long distance call? :P |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | does sri lanka have their own language? |
| 03:33.54 | krazykit | sinhala and tamil |
| 03:34.02 | krazykit | sinhala being used much more |
| 03:34.03 | nvz | I never heard of the damn place |
| 03:34.07 | abrotman | engrish ? |
| 03:34.22 | krazykit | 10% speak it competantly |
| 03:34.25 | krazykit | https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ce.html |
| 03:34.33 | krazykit | factbook is useful. |
| 03:34.49 | abrotman | i thought everyone spoke english :) |
| 03:35.33 | wireddd | everyone i have talked to has :) |
| 03:36.07 | krazykit | i've been yelled at by a german bum before. |
| 03:36.12 | krazykit | i don't think he spoke english |
| 03:36.23 | krazykit | he REALLY wanted me to move my queen over a few spaces. |
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| 03:42.19 | bassinbo1 | how do you install a deb package? |
| 03:42.35 | krazykit | dpkg -i |
| 03:43.20 | bassinbo1 | Cool thanks |
| 03:44.13 | solid_liq | anyone know if I can install / into a logical volume using LVM? |
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| 03:47.08 | abrotman | hey .. where's jet* been ? |
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| 03:50.16 | mick_linux | anyone here know how i can format my HFS+ nano to FAT32 |
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| 03:55.19 | bucky | !seen jetscreamer |
| 03:55.20 | dpkg | jetscreamer <n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 33d 13h 47m 50s ago, saying: 'by accident'. |
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| 03:57.15 | ice_cream | hi, i created a network share by editing /etc/samba/smb.conf ; share was created and was able to access from windows computer by \\<linux ip>\sharename ... but then i changed my user's smbpasswd and restarted samba.. but windows is still tring to connect using old passwd.. how do i change this? |
| 03:57.28 | ice_cream | trying* |
| 03:58.24 | pstickne | ice_cream, restart windows |
| 03:58.27 | Kurt2x | you have to change your windows password |
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| 03:58.38 | Kurt2x | windows xp stores session passwords |
| 03:58.45 | ice_cream | yea, it sucks =/ |
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| 03:59.23 | Kurt2x | go to "manage my passwords" under user accounts in control panel |
| 03:59.38 | Kurt2x | "manage my network passwords" |
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| 04:00.03 | ice_cream | it stores it in plain text?! |
| 04:00.11 | pstickne | no. |
| 04:00.12 | Kurt2x | nope |
| 04:00.20 | Kurt2x | its all encrypted |
| 04:00.25 | Kurt2x | somewhere in the registry |
| 04:00.26 | ice_cream | hmm ok.. good... cause the windows comp is not mine =) |
| 04:00.58 | mick_linux | Kurt2x: i thought smb is allso stored in a sam file? |
| 04:01.25 | ice_cream | you mean system32\config\sam? |
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| 04:01.45 | ice_cream | oh, actually i can't make the change right now |
| 04:01.54 | mick_linux | i *thought* it was the same (based on if you have LMhash on or off) |
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| 04:02.47 | mick_linux | correct me if i'm wrong |
| 04:02.59 | mick_linux | but i doubt that the password is stored in the hive |
| 04:03.12 | ice_cream | 'hive' lol |
| 04:03.29 | mick_linux | why 'lol'? |
| 04:04.04 | ice_cream | why are you making it seem like windows is a group of bugs with a queen? |
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| 04:05.17 | pstickne | ice_cream, it's what the registry files are collectively called. |
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| 04:05.40 | mick_linux | i stopped responding to those comments lately :) |
| 04:05.50 | pstickne | heh |
| 04:05.52 | solid_liq | ice_cream: because it is, bg is the queen of bugs ;) |
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| 04:06.20 | ice_cream | sry, i haven't used windows in a while =) |
| 04:06.21 | mick_linux | after reading about "poisonous people" i've become much more productive ;) |
| 04:06.53 | ice_cream | ooh, tell us more about "poisonous people" |
| 04:06.56 | stazich | hi, i am trying to change permissions of a file to have full access to it, what should i do? right now only apache has access i have been told |
| 04:07.38 | mick_linux | stazich: what are the permissions to it right now? |
| 04:07.43 | solid_liq | stazich: probably leave it alone :D |
| 04:07.52 | solid_liq | stazich: but root always has access |
| 04:07.57 | stazich | -rw-r--r-- |
| 04:08.08 | solid_liq | stazich: and where is it located? |
| 04:08.15 | mick_linux | stazich: what "problems" are you having?\ |
| 04:08.15 | enouf | control userpasswords2 |
| 04:08.37 | mick_linux | stazich: in other words, what would you like accomplished |
| 04:09.10 | enouf | what a fsken shame that I actually know that .. :-( |
| 04:09.14 | stazich | no, i need to do something with these files. right now they are in a folder where they are being used by gallery script.. thats why i cant do anything with them there the way they are. i have copied them into another place and am now trying to change using chmod so i can run this command on them |
| 04:09.25 | stazich | what should i put in chmod? |
| 04:09.51 | solid_liq | stazich: chmod 666 filename |
| 04:09.56 | stazich | thanks guys |
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| 04:10.23 | mick_linux | you want them executable? - you can either change it w/ +x or w/ a numerical value (asnoted above) |
| 04:10.28 | stazich | totally worked.. il have to remember 666. |
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| 04:10.34 | ice_cream | people don't use +- anymore? |
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| 04:11.12 | stazich | no i want to run this tool on them which rotates jpegs. they are on remote server so to save time. |
| 04:12.58 | ice_cream | 666 gives read and write to everyone... i guess you could do that.. |
| 04:13.07 | liable | convert in a batch file? |
| 04:13.15 | mick_linux | stazich: mogrify? ;) |
| 04:13.51 | stazich | yeah baby ;-) |
| 04:14.01 | stazich | useful thingie |
| 04:14.36 | zood_ | I use netpbm for that kind of stuff |
| 04:15.01 | stazich | is it also shell util? |
| 04:15.07 | zood_ | yah |
| 04:15.16 | ice_cream | mick_linux, cmon, don't stray from the topic... you were talking about poisonous people... |
| 04:15.30 | zood_ | a whole collection of them actually. try `man netpbm` |
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| 04:15.56 | liable | handy link for IM http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-graf2/?ca=dgr-lnxw15GraphicsLine |
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| 04:18.37 | stoned | g'night, I'm out |
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| 04:19.08 | liable | laters |
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| 04:27.25 | peterS | <abrotman> peterS: they let anyone drive in kansas .. don't they ? |
| 04:27.37 | peterS | abrotman: err ... same as any other state, I guess. you have to pass an eye exam, etc. |
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| 04:27.44 | abrotman | peterS: i was commenting about the state of stoned's car |
| 04:27.52 | peterS | oh, I missed the context |
| 04:28.02 | liable | abrotman: ta, i was wondering what to have for lunch |
| 04:28.02 | abrotman | no . it was in #-ot |
| 04:28.31 | peterS | abrotman: does his car use a non-free driver? |
| 04:29.01 | abrotman | no .. but i think i might know where you can find a free car tomorrow :) |
| 04:29.02 | liable | ding dong |
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| 04:29.20 | mitridate | using etch with lvm2. screwed up my /var and /usr partitions, can't use most programs. tried to use apt-get/aptitude to reinstall everything, but they're screwed up too. Can't use installer CDs either -- they give me errors on the installing base system part. |
| 04:29.20 | peterS | err, ok ... where? |
| 04:29.30 | abrotman | sitting busted on the side of the highway |
| 04:29.33 | Guerin | peterS: make sure you bring an egg with you |
| 04:29.34 | peterS | w00t |
| 04:29.37 | mitridate | is there anything I can do? |
| 04:29.41 | abrotman | Guerin knows all about it :) |
| 04:29.43 | peterS | one egg, check. raw or hard-boiled? |
| 04:29.47 | Guerin | peterS: raw |
| 04:29.52 | peterS | *nod*. |
| 04:29.53 | Guerin | peterS: and some coolant |
| 04:29.55 | mitridate | I've thought about just wiping the hdd, but I"ve got 40GB of data on there |
| 04:29.55 | abrotman | Guerin: chances of him making it to work ? |
| 04:30.01 | Guerin | lots and lots of coolant |
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| 04:30.08 | Guerin | abrotman: what did he end up deciding? |
| 04:30.15 | abrotman | i think to just drive to work .. not sure |
| 04:30.16 | peterS | nobody needs coolant in this state at this time. it's well below freezing right now. |
| 04:30.26 | Guerin | peterS: coolant=antifreeze |
| 04:30.34 | abrotman | peterS: but what happens if you keep topping off the radiator with water ? |
| 04:30.37 | Guerin | peterS: but stoned's car is overheating, despite the cold |
| 04:30.50 | peterS | Guerin: lies. |
| 04:30.54 | Guerin | abrotman: he might get away with it |
| 04:30.54 | liable | hrm, is replacing a radiator that hard? |
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| 04:31.14 | abrotman | liable: this isn't .au .. we have rules about disposing of antifreeze |
| 04:31.20 | peterS | abrotman: you have to wonder why the radiator is losing water then when it should be frozen solid right now |
| 04:31.21 | Guerin | peterS: he claims. The again, he does smoke $600 worth of dope every month |
| 04:31.31 | peterS | good point |
| 04:31.31 | abrotman | peterS: frozen water expands |
| 04:31.38 | peterS | yeah but it doesn't _drip_ |
| 04:31.40 | Guerin | abrotman: i drove a 1990 toyota celica 600km on a busted radiator |
| 04:31.42 | liable | abrotman: ah, we just put it in our kids drink bottles.. you guys sure are anal over there |
| 04:31.51 | liable | :) |
| 04:31.53 | abrotman | peterS: he didn't say it's dripping .. just that the car overheats |
| 04:31.55 | Guerin | had to stop every 50-100km to refill it, but it worked |
| 04:32.44 | abrotman | i had to do that .. turns out the bird i had killed a week earlier had actually flown up into the engine compartment and gone through a hose |
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| 04:32.56 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:33.03 | abrotman | yay k-cars! |
| 04:33.15 | damejiar | what about the debian Etch release? |
| 04:33.18 | Guerin | i should put some coolant in my mitsi |
| 04:33.20 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 04:33.21 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
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| 04:33.38 | Guerin | the radiator is full, but the reservoir just has grime in it, totally dry |
| 04:33.50 | Guerin | g'night |
| 04:33.51 | peterS | I'm not sure, given brooks' law, whether we should be recruiting more people to help release etch right now |
| 04:33.59 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:34.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:34.32 | liable | looks like dunktank hasnt helped much.. |
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| 04:34.42 | peterS | liable: I think it has actually |
| 04:34.45 | abrotman | not enough beer |
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| 04:35.04 | liable | peterS: faster or slower? :) |
| 04:35.18 | senti | hi |
| 04:35.20 | peterS | faster. vorlon and aba have been working very hard and helping get a lot of bugs closed. |
| 04:35.22 | abrotman | hrm .. shutdown damn you |
| 04:36.11 | senti | i like to start translate to tamil |
| 04:36.25 | senti | this chennal ok va |
| 04:36.39 | Guerin | senti: what do you want to translate? |
| 04:36.51 | lastnode | anyone here runs bcm4318? |
| 04:36.53 | liable | words! |
| 04:37.03 | wireddd | I think etch is ready now! |
| 04:37.04 | peterS | senti: cool - I don't know if there is a tamil translation started yet or not. you might email debian-i18n@lists.debian.org introducing yourself and offering to help |
| 04:37.05 | senti | tamil translate |
| 04:37.08 | Guerin | !anyone use bcm4318? |
| 04:37.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses bcm4318, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:37.16 | senti | debian installer |
| 04:37.16 | Guerin | senti: translate WHAT? |
| 04:37.18 | Guerin | senti: ok. |
| 04:37.40 | senti | this chennal ok va |
| 04:38.17 | Guerin | senti: email debian-i18n@lists.debian.org |
| 04:38.25 | senti | ok |
| 04:38.38 | damejiar | Guerin : I made bcm4318 worked with ndiswrapper only |
| 04:38.46 | Guerin | senti: that's a mailing list, you can read archives at http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/ |
| 04:39.00 | Guerin | damejiar: sucks to have bought shitty hardware. |
| 04:39.02 | peterS | senti: actually you might email debian-boot@lists.debian.org instead, since you want to get started in debian-installer |
| 04:39.16 | Guerin | hm, fair enough |
| 04:39.35 | peterS | senti: I know Christian Perrier reads both lists, he's the guy who does the most to organise the translation teams, so he'll probably have information for you |
| 04:39.40 | damejiar | Guerin : my laptop works with that card |
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| 04:40.08 | Guerin | damejiar: i still don't quite get why you're telling me. |
| 04:40.57 | damejiar | Guerin : look at this link |
| 04:40.58 | damejiar | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/401 |
| 04:41.04 | peterS | senti: hrrrm ... it seems Tamil is already supported in the debian 4.0 (etch) installer |
| 04:41.04 | Guerin | damejiar: but WHY? |
| 04:41.35 | senti | but not completed 2 to 5 |
| 04:41.38 | senti | level |
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| 04:42.14 | peterS | senti: very well - anyway, it seems debian-i18n is the right list for this |
| 04:42.15 | senti | only 1st level is compleled |
| 04:42.42 | senti | ok |
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| 04:47.06 | slept | i need help to look at an email attachment, in the mail i found out that it is a ppt so i base-encoded it but still file says that it is a ASCII text , how do i change the magic number of it so that i can open it with open office or something else |
| 04:47.24 | slept | base64-encode |
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| 04:50.43 | ftp3 | will "debtakeover" trash a production machine? I have a redhat 7.3 that I need to upgrade.. |
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| 04:51.32 | Guerin | ftp3: very probably. |
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| 04:51.47 | Guerin | ftp3: better/saner would be to use debootstrap\ |
| 04:51.51 | cafuego_ | Back it up, take it down, install it, put data back. |
| 04:51.54 | rfrank | still can't get these damn dual monitors to work |
| 04:52.14 | Guerin | cafuego_: far too sensible. |
| 04:52.35 | cafuego_ | Guerin: snesible isn't my middle name |
| 04:52.37 | ftp3 | ok, thanks |
| 04:53.07 | Guerin | ftp3: http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49672 has been known to work |
| 04:53.16 | Guerin | but note red warning text |
| 04:53.30 | cafuego_ | users are far more understanding about a few hours of downtime for system maintenance than they are about trashed data |
| 04:53.41 | Guerin | ** USE AT YOUR OWN RISK! ** ** DANGER DANGER DANGER ** ** YOU MAY WIPE YOUR DRIVE ** ** DANGER DANGER DANGER ** |
| 04:54.16 | rfrank | How do I edit the system menu of applications thats included into the xfce menu |
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| 04:54.47 | ftp3 | thanks, looking at that now |
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| 04:57.25 | tuv | from bash manpage: 'NOTE: Bash, as packaged for Debian, does not support using the /dev/tcp and /dev/udp files.' |
| 04:57.28 | tuv | why is that? |
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| 04:57.57 | dondelelcaro | tuv: it was just discused (again) on -devel; the main reason is that you should use netcat instead. |
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| 05:02.25 | DavidProck1982 | ok i went to 3.1r4 and all seam to go well, but when i run kdm OR gdm the monitor blinks 2 times and returns to the prompt, with no error, andi got the nvidia source and it built the driver off that |
| 05:02.55 | tuv | DavidProck1982, check X logs |
| 05:03.35 | DavidProck1982 | im just able to get around in linux barly |
| 05:03.44 | DavidProck1982 | How |
| 05:04.04 | peterS | DavidProck1982: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log, look for "(EE)" lines, which indicates errors |
| 05:04.25 | DavidProck1982 | how do i read it with no gui |
| 05:04.32 | krazykit | DavidProck1982, less |
| 05:04.33 | tuv | DavidProck1982, use 'less' |
| 05:04.40 | peterS | DavidProck1982: I use the 'less' package, other people use other things |
| 05:04.50 | DavidProck1982 | huh |
| 05:04.54 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: so you installed debian this time? |
| 05:05.16 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: and it asked you for a root password, which you entered? |
| 05:05.20 | DavidProck1982 | ya, And it was Debain last time too |
| 05:05.30 | DavidProck1982 | yes i got the root pass |
| 05:05.34 | DavidProck1982 | set |
| 05:05.41 | Guerin | sure it was, buddy |
| 05:05.47 | Guerin | debian with no root pass, and sudo ALL |
| 05:06.00 | Phated | sounds like... ubuntu? :) |
| 05:06.06 | peterS | Phated: that's his point (: |
| 05:06.13 | DavidProck1982 | last time i use etch / testing this time im useing 3.1r4 |
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| 05:06.36 | Guerin | sure you don't mean eft? |
| 05:06.45 | DavidProck1982 | /........... |
| 05:07.01 | Phated | peterS: Quite :) |
| 05:07.02 | peterS | careful, you'll push him over the edgy |
| 05:07.10 | DavidProck1982 | the monitor blinks 2 times and returns to prompt with no error |
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| 05:07.12 | slept | DavidProck1982, did someone tell you abou nvidia one-liner if not /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 05:07.48 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 05:07.55 | DavidProck1982 | brb |
| 05:08.25 | iswm | Anyone happen to have a canon sd600? I'm considering getting one, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to use it with linux. gphoto claims to support the sd500 and the sd700, so just wondering if anyone can give any insight on the sd600. |
| 05:08.35 | Guerin | peterS: heh |
| 05:09.40 | peterS | iswm: those canons all seem to use PTP (picture transfer protocol) so I'm guessing it'll be fine, though gphoto2 may need to be educated to include that model |
| 05:09.58 | Guerin | eew, canon ptp |
| 05:10.06 | peterS | iswm: but I've never tried to use an unsupported camera in gphoto, so don't take _my_ word for it |
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| 05:11.14 | Guerin | if only canon would stop being evil |
| 05:11.23 | peterS | is ptp evil? I don't know much about it |
| 05:11.30 | Guerin | peterS: it's semi-open |
| 05:11.40 | iswm | peterS, yeah, I guess I'll shoot an email over to the gphoto guys and see. I don't need anything fancy, just want to be able to transfer files from (and hopefully to) the camera. |
| 05:11.44 | iswm | Thanks |
| 05:12.03 | Guerin | peterS: aiui there's no published spec, but there is some data which facilitated swift reverse-engineering |
| 05:12.11 | slept | iswm, if you have an alternative dont buy canon they make you buy drivers for your printer since the cups stuff doesnt work propper |
| 05:12.17 | peterS | iswm: worst case you buy one of those USB multi-flash-type card readers, an extra what, $15? |
| 05:12.22 | Guerin | but basically it's just overcompliocating something which need not be any harder than usb mass storage |
| 05:12.51 | peterS | ...though that wouldn't let you get at the pictures on the camera's built-in memory |
| 05:12.52 | slept | iswm, but thats my personal littel hatred ... |
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| 05:13.42 | iswm | slept, yeah, I agree totally. I'm open to any suggestions as far as any comperable camers go. Same price and feature range. |
| 05:14.09 | senti | guerin: i added that mailing lists ... but still now they didnt send response |
| 05:14.20 | tuv | my canon works perfectly with standard connection, no ptp. haven't used ptp ever |
| 05:14.36 | slept | iswm, well i have a nikon camera, it works fine with linux, but the camera it self sucks ... |
| 05:14.50 | Guerin | i have undying loyalty to nikon since falling off the great wall of china, striking my camera on a stair on the way down, and having it continue to work perfectly for a yeah |
| 05:15.28 | Guerin | then taking it to nikon HQ in shanghai and having it fixed on warranty, despite not having one, three years after purchase, and damaged through my own stupidity |
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| 05:15.32 | slept | well yes that is true i wasnt abel to break it eventough i hate this slow machine ... |
| 05:15.33 | zinx | i'm too careful to know how sturdy my camera is |
| 05:15.38 | peterS | Guerin: that's pretty cool. I mean, that's really cool. |
| 05:15.46 | Guerin | zinx: i was careful! it was just dark. |
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| 05:16.32 | stylish | anyone here know where to get the current kernel configuring a new kernel |
| 05:16.43 | stylish | sorry |
| 05:17.37 | Guerin | peterS: replaced the ccd and tidied the whole thing up, including a new rubber slip and battery compartment for ¥400 |
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| 05:17.52 | Guerin | about US$50 |
| 05:18.12 | stylish | it there a config script in debian repository |
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| 05:18.17 | peterS | Guerin: not bad at all |
| 05:18.51 | stylish | how do you configure a debian kernel release |
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| 05:19.30 | stylish | i could just make a single kenrel image |
| 05:19.34 | tuv | 'configure a debian kernel'? does such thing exist? |
| 05:19.35 | stylish | kernel |
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| 05:20.18 | Defty | install the sources and compiler yourself |
| 05:20.28 | Defty | compile |
| 05:20.29 | dondelelcaro | stylish: there's no configuration necessary for Debian kernels in modern releases; udev should deal with loading the proper modules from the precompiled kernels itself. |
| 05:20.34 | Guerin | senti: copy the config from /boot |
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| 05:21.11 | Ilovemypuppy | i set up ndiswrapper on debian stable for my kernel. I can get ndiswrapper to load the module and detect the card. I set up wpasupplicant. I cannot seem to get the wireless device to associate with the AP. Can anyone help? |
| 05:21.48 | iswm | Just a heads up, did a little more poking around and found that the newest version of gphoto supports the sd600. |
| 05:21.56 | Guerin | iswm: winner! |
| 05:22.05 | iswm | Indeed |
| 05:22.13 | Ilovemypuppy | I have entires in /etc/network/interfaces, i have ifplugd set up, I set up wireless tools and it says that its not associated with my AP |
| 05:22.34 | Ilovemypuppy | I followed http://www.vollink.com/gary/deb_wifi.html but im not able to get logged online |
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| 05:27.01 | senti | guerin: i cant get u what is means /boot |
| 05:27.19 | Guerin | senti: misfire |
| 05:27.47 | slept | Ilovemypuppy, what chipset do you use ? |
| 05:28.09 | Ilovemypuppy | sis900 |
| 05:28.16 | Ilovemypuppy | ndiswrapper, supposedly stable |
| 05:29.03 | peterS | uh, sis900 isn't wireless, that's 10/100 ethernet, no? |
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| 05:31.39 | niru | hello all |
| 05:32.10 | niru | can I get an free nad open source tool for transfering english text to oriya |
| 05:33.44 | peterS | niru: not that I've ever heard of |
| 05:33.52 | Guerin | wtf is oriya? |
| 05:33.58 | peterS | a language |
| 05:34.14 | peterS | I think niru means 'translate' |
| 05:35.17 | Guerin | where is this language from? |
| 05:35.46 | peterS | seems to be related to Bengali, from India |
| 05:36.06 | peterS | I don't know much about it |
| 05:36.25 | Guerin | crikey |
| 05:37.31 | niru | like whatever I type in english in a text box and when asked to convert it inot oriya language that should convert it inot oriya |
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| 05:37.44 | slept | niru, http://www.odia.org/ |
| 05:37.54 | peterS | niru: I don't know any translator applications like that, at least not open source |
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| 05:38.00 | slept | niru, http://www.odia.org/ |
| 05:38.28 | slept | niru, i didn't check for licence - i just looked at wikideia and the links |
| 05:38.53 | litage | what's the location of user-specific crontabs (eg: `crontab -e some_user`)? |
| 05:40.01 | peterS | litage: /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 05:40.11 | litage | thanks |
| 05:41.46 | grendal_prime | i dont know what the hell happend but all of the sudden NONE of the plugins i have want to work ...and ..is it even possible to get konq to recognize mozilla-mplayer plugin? |
| 05:42.21 | grendal_prime | in etch that is |
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| 05:45.08 | slept | grendal_prime, do update-mozilla.... , kmplayer might be what you are looking for |
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| 05:56.39 | DavidProck1982 | yo i need help on the bus id |
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| 05:56.54 | DavidProck1982 | i run lspci and..... |
| 05:57.18 | DavidProck1982 | it is on 0000:01:00 |
| 05:57.41 | DavidProck1982 | it is on 0000:01:00.0 , typo on the line above |
| 05:57.59 | loca|host | where can i find the "tth" package for debian (i can't navigate on internet) |
| 05:58.08 | dondelelcaro | !+info tth |
| 05:58.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:58.10 | peterS | DavidProck1982: you can almost always leave that field blank |
| 05:58.12 | dpkg | tth: (TeX/LaTeX to HTML converter), section non-free/tex, is optional. Version: 3.67-4 (sid), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 852 kB |
| 05:58.19 | DavidProck1982 | so when i reconfigure the xserver when it ask for the pci bus what would i put |
| 05:58.26 | peterS | DavidProck1982: it's only useful in case you have multiple graphics cards of the same brand, so the server will know which one you want to use |
| 05:58.29 | dondelelcaro | loca|host: see above, or visit packages.debian.org/tth |
| 05:58.53 | DavidProck1982 | well the card has 2 plugs for a monitor |
| 05:59.19 | peterS | DavidProck1982: but if it's just one card with one PCI interface, giving the interface address won't help choose |
| 06:00.05 | DavidProck1982 | well still at the piont to where the monitor blinks a few times and with NO erroe it returns to the console |
| 06:00.20 | dondelelcaro | that's what the Screen 0 and Screen 1 options are for. |
| 06:00.37 | DavidProck1982 | and i did this and all when well,,,, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:00.47 | peterS | DavidProck1982: most likely there is at least one (EE) line in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 06:01.03 | Phated | Is he still not actually checking his log? :) |
| 06:01.18 | peterS | I have no idea, I just popped back into the channel after half an hour of doing other things.. |
| 06:01.21 | DavidProck1982 | what would i use that dont need a gui , so i can read it |
| 06:01.30 | peterS | we told you. 'less'. |
| 06:02.00 | loca|host | dondelelcaro, how to add the non-free section in my sources ? (i can't go through any http://* site) |
| 06:02.27 | peterS | loca|host: add the word 'non-free' to the end of the line that begins with 'deb http://' |
| 06:03.00 | peterS | well, there may be multiple such lines - probably add it to all of them, if they end in 'main' |
| 06:03.50 | loca|host | i've added it alone : http://******/debian unstable non-free |
| 06:04.04 | DavidProck1982 | cool i did not know of less |
| 06:04.13 | DavidProck1982 | good to know |
| 06:04.44 | peterS | loca|host: it should say '.../debian unstable main non-free' |
| 06:04.57 | peterS | loca|host: so after that, run 'apt-get update' and you will have non-free stuff available |
| 06:04.58 | loca|host | k |
| 06:05.09 | DavidProck1982 | and i just notice my nick i registered is DavidProck1981 but i see DavidProck1982, WTF |
| 06:06.08 | peterS | DavidProck1982: it's 'cause DavidProck1981 is already logged in - maybe you're running multiple copies of gaim? |
| 06:06.27 | peterS | DavidProck1982: so the server rejected your attempt to use that nick and gaim picked the next available one, I guess bumping the year up |
| 06:06.56 | DavidProck1982 | huh why |
| 06:07.07 | peterS | it's true, both of you are logged on. from the same IP address. |
| 06:07.16 | peterS | you tell me why |
| 06:07.19 | DavidProck1982 | we app, WHAT |
| 06:07.27 | DavidProck1982 | i am , WHAT |
| 06:07.38 | peterS | you and Mr. 1981 are both logged on |
| 06:07.49 | DavidProck1982 | WHAT THE FUCK |
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| 06:08.08 | peterS | someone apparently cloned you in your sleep. one of you should kill the other before it gets out of hand |
| 06:08.19 | DavidProck1982 | how |
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| 06:09.17 | DavidProck1982 | BRB |
| 06:09.41 | DavidProck1982 | i only have onwe session going thow |
| 06:09.55 | yassine | anyone of you guys running asterisk with zaptel module ? |
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| 06:10.57 | DavidProck1982 | can you tell if 1981 logs out, and when |
| 06:12.26 | krazykit | just ghost it. |
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| 06:13.33 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
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| 06:13.57 | DavidProck1982 | what is the command to login on a nick name |
| 06:14.00 | peterS | DavidProck1982: no, I can't, not without asking the IRC server ever 5 minutes |
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| 06:14.15 | jonathan_ | hello |
| 06:14.15 | peterS | DavidProck1982: you can ghost your other nick if you really did register it. /msg nickserv help |
| 06:14.35 | DavidProck1982 | (notice) The nickname [DavidProck1982] is not registered |
| 06:14.47 | DavidProck1982 | how can i login on it |
| 06:15.19 | DavidProck1982 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.30 | peterS | I said, /msg nickserv help |
| 06:15.35 | peterS | but don't mind me |
| 06:15.37 | liable | DavidProck1982: /msg nickserv ghost foonick passwd (will kill it) |
| 06:15.48 | peterS | liable: that, or tell him to read the fecking help |
| 06:15.59 | DavidProck1982 | what do u mean by kill |
| 06:15.59 | slept | DavidProck1982, /msg nickserv release help |
| 06:16.04 | liable | peterS: i am feeling generous today :) |
| 06:16.22 | peterS | yeah, besides it's clear that asking him to read the fecking help is way too much |
| 06:16.45 | liable | even spoonfeeding him seems to be not working :) |
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| 06:17.23 | slept | !read |
| 06:17.23 | dpkg | from memory, read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
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| 06:17.53 | DavidProck1982 | fuck it , im in chat |
| 06:18.00 | liable | DavidProck1982: why dont you just kill the other client that you have logged in? |
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| 06:18.17 | DavidProck1982 | how |
| 06:18.36 | liable | by banging your head on the desk three times |
| 06:18.36 | slept | he told you i told you .... |
| 06:18.49 | DavidProck1982 | i domnt see that tyext any more |
| 06:19.02 | slept | since youve been logged out i have to do it again |
| 06:19.05 | slept | !read |
| 06:19.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, read is what no one does these days, especially ex-redhat users who expect EVERYTHING to appear infront of them without fuss. or what you must do in order to learn. 'man <something>', 'apropos <something>', or check out the files in /usr/share/doc/<PACKAGE> |
| 06:19.11 | jonathan_ | hey does anyone know much about how debian/linux manages memory? |
| 06:19.53 | jonathan_ | whenever i start up my computer, even before i log into gnome, i have about ~300M of memory cached for... what? |
| 06:20.11 | karsten | jonathan_: Linux caches disk reads. |
| 06:20.46 | karsten | jonathan_: If the memory wasn't being used for cache, it would be wasted and your disk access would be slower. If the memory's needed for something else, the disk cache is dumped. |
| 06:21.12 | DavidProck1982 | well the onlt (EE) i see is............ |
| 06:21.15 | jonathan_ | karsten: is there someplace I can read about this, for curiosity's sake? |
| 06:21.52 | karsten | jonathan_: I'm looking for that. |
| 06:22.12 | DavidProck1982 | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 06:22.43 | karsten | jonathan_: A start: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management |
| 06:23.23 | DavidProck1982 | Be Right Back |
| 06:23.35 | mike- | ok |
| 06:25.06 | DavidProck1982 | im back, so what would thaat mean |
| 06:25.27 | DavidProck1982 | that is the only EE i see in the log |
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| 06:27.22 | liable | DavidProck1982: chose nv when you reconfigure x |
| 06:27.48 | DavidProck1982 | i did |
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| 06:28.23 | liable | DavidProck1982: ok, what desktop do you have? |
| 06:28.30 | DavidProck1982 | kde |
| 06:28.42 | liable | DavidProck1982: and kdm? |
| 06:28.44 | DavidProck1982 | useing gdm login manager |
| 06:28.58 | liable | DavidProck1982: pkill gdm; apt-get remove gdm |
| 06:29.04 | liable | DavidProck1982: then try startx |
| 06:29.13 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 06:29.21 | liable | not as root |
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| 06:29.58 | jonathan_ | karsten: thanks... anything else? |
| 06:30.15 | karsten | jonathan_: http://google.com |
| 06:30.20 | karsten | jonathan_: Linux memory disk cache |
| 06:30.34 | a6hishek | dpkg was interrupted you must manually run dpkg --configure -a |
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| 06:30.42 | a6hishek | please help |
| 06:31.14 | karsten | jonathan_: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/free-mem.html |
| 06:31.15 | liable | why not do as it says? |
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| 06:31.26 | karsten | jonathan_: That's written by Martin Pool, kernel hacker, and is *very* worth reading. |
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| 06:31.43 | Azar | ok is debfoster still used around? |
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| 06:31.50 | Azar | err I ment hello honorables |
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| 06:31.57 | karsten | jonathan_: Related article on swap space and how much and/or whether to allocate any at all (short answer: yes): http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 06:32.13 | karsten | Azar: Yes, debfoster's still used. |
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| 06:32.26 | Azar | yay! thanks Im gonna install it |
| 06:32.30 | DavidProck1982 | still no go , BRB |
| 06:32.43 | jonathan_ | karsten: haha, thanks |
| 06:32.44 | liable | DavidProck1982: but was there any errors? |
| 06:33.32 | DavidProck1982 | no |
| 06:34.07 | liable | DavidProck1982: /j #flood |
| 06:34.50 | DavidProck1982 | why |
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| 06:35.05 | liable | never mind then, good luck.. |
| 06:35.19 | DavidProck1982 | and kdm dont automadicly start i have to login |
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| 06:38.26 | mike- | DavidProck1982, I install gdm ,it prompts which you want as default them uninstall gdm |
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| 06:38.53 | Azar | holycrack! debfoster rocks! |
| 06:39.16 | DavidProck1982 | ok mike |
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| 06:39.48 | DavidProck1982 | i hate all that cd swaping |
| 06:40.43 | liable | mike-: eh? if you said what i thought you said, try update-alternatives --config x-display-manager |
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| 06:43.48 | Azar | Im gonna try the debsecan too.. |
| 06:44.43 | Azar | ouch my aptitude got crazy again: trying to remove packages without my consent |
| 06:45.18 | DavidProck1982 | dude i can run kdm over ansd over and i do not get a error message, the monitor blinks once or twice and i dont get a error and when i do kdm is does Not say it is allerady running |
| 06:45.45 | DavidProck1982 | does not warn that it is running |
| 06:45.48 | cast | Azar: i start it using just 'aptitude' to get the ncurses gui...then just + on everything it makes for removal. aptitude will do that if you mix using aptitude and apt-get, you should always just use aptitude imo :> |
| 06:46.33 | DavidProck1982 | what the fuck is going on |
| 06:47.21 | DavidProck1982 | dont u all love windows |
| 06:47.24 | DavidProck1982 | LOL |
| 06:47.33 | Azar | well I am using aptitude, but this time, when I tried to install debsecan, it says it can't find such package and "by the way your xfonts-base are UNUSED therefore will be removed" |
| 06:47.37 | Azar | fixed it |
| 06:47.44 | DavidProck1982 | well linux can be a BITCH Worse |
| 06:48.14 | Miesco | How do I get my panel back |
| 06:48.15 | Azar | ok why can't I find debsecan? liable , debsecan is not in the stable repos? |
| 06:48.20 | Kevin` | try finding a windows driver for a simple ac97 based soundcard sometime |
| 06:48.22 | Miesco | It closed unexpectedly |
| 06:48.22 | Kevin` | the pain.. |
| 06:48.46 | DavidProck1982 | Azar: aptitude update? |
| 06:49.00 | Azar | nah, I fixed it DavidProck1982 |
| 06:49.27 | DavidProck1982 | i neeed help........................................................... |
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| 06:50.04 | Azar | eck.. I don't know anything about .dm so I cant help you |
| 06:50.07 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: apt-get update |
| 06:50.14 | DavidProck1982 | fine ill format it a FUCKING again |
| 06:50.23 | DavidProck1982 | Format** |
| 06:50.35 | Azar | boooo, stop crying, I installed 57 times on my first year |
| 06:50.44 | DavidProck1982 | i use aptitude |
| 06:50.46 | freebse | lol |
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| 06:51.27 | DavidProck1982 | i notise if u swap back and forth from aptitude and apt-get it will go wacko |
| 06:51.53 | liable | yes |
| 06:52.00 | Azar | I want debsecan..The Debian Security Analyzer (debsecan) reports vulnerabilities for the system it runs on based on Debian Security Advisories. |
| 06:52.01 | DavidProck1982 | liable: yes to my statment? |
| 06:52.06 | liable | DavidProck1982: yes |
| 06:52.15 | DavidProck1982 | why is that any way |
| 06:52.59 | DavidProck1982 | as i understand aptitude ias better than apt-get |
| 06:53.07 | liable | DavidProck1982: not 'exactly' sure, but its one of aptitudes config/package files. purging it and reinstalling fixes it. i knew at one point which file it was, but i cant remember know |
| 06:53.22 | DavidProck1982 | BRB |
| 06:53.26 | freebse | Kevin`: I changed my mainboard yesterday, no prob with GNU/Linux, BSD whatever, but XP does not start nymore.... Bluescreen... or try to simply swap PCI cards from one slot to another, winDOS will install new drivers for every single device, same with USB.... but let's not get into that :) |
| 06:54.43 | DavidProck1982 | back |
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| 06:55.07 | JerJer | can i force apt (whatever) to install a specific version of apache2 ? |
| 06:55.22 | DavidProck1982 | i think apt-get is for the people that cant spell aptitude, LOL |
| 06:55.40 | cast | JerJer: i suppose you can install the version you want, then set it on 'hold' |
| 06:56.06 | JerJer | cast: how ? |
| 06:56.09 | DavidProck1982 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.11 | holycow | freebse, windows doesn't handle hardware changes very well lindeed |
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| 06:56.28 | JerJer | i just went to install php5 and it upgraded my apache2 which blew up Embperl, which hasn't been updated for the new apache version |
| 06:56.31 | Miesco | How do I get my old panel settings back in gnome? |
| 06:56.38 | freebse | holycow: you call this handle :) |
| 06:57.07 | DavidProck1982 | FUCKING BACK, im getting pissed |
| 06:57.19 | DavidProck1982 | at life and the computor |
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| 06:57.50 | freebse | holycow: with a not stolen version I bet I also would have called MS support and get a new 48 digits no. |
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| 06:58.21 | holycow | freebse, not without a good bit of explaining, but of course |
| 06:58.33 | freebse | lol |
| 06:58.35 | DavidProck1982 | does any one have a clue what is going on with my video |
| 06:58.47 | liable | JerJer: aptitude install apache2=<version> |
| 06:59.20 | DavidProck1982 | i have talked my ass off about it |
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| 07:00.03 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: you're clearly doing something really fucking wrong |
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| 07:00.17 | Guerin | because the nv module HAS ALWAYS worked perfectly with that video card |
| 07:00.24 | holycow | i scrolled but i cant figure out what it is your trying to solve DavidProck1982 |
| 07:00.44 | freebse | I don't get the problem either |
| 07:00.59 | Guerin | he's too stupid to run drxx and choose 'nv', at a guess |
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| 07:01.08 | Guerin | he claims to already have tried it |
| 07:01.22 | Guerin | but then, he claimed to be running debian earlier today, when it was clear he was running ubuntu |
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| 07:01.28 | holycow | if hes got an anvidia card, i've never had one not work |
| 07:01.43 | Guerin | holycow: exactly. |
| 07:01.54 | JerJer | liable: thanks man |
| 07:02.04 | freebse | ah Ubuntu :) |
| 07:02.06 | liable | np |
| 07:02.18 | DavidProck1982 | Guerin: the module-assistant the getting every thning all went well |
| 07:02.19 | liable | the bane of #debian :) |
| 07:02.22 | freebse | isn't it a forbidden word in here :) |
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| 07:02.40 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: fucking hell |
| 07:02.44 | holycow | well hopefully not forbidden, but its a complicating factor indeed |
| 07:02.46 | DavidProck1982 | OK LOOK............. |
| 07:02.54 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: as i told you, DO NOT USE MODULE-ASSISTANT |
| 07:02.58 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: use fucking nv |
| 07:03.02 | Guerin | JESUS |
| 07:03.07 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 07:03.08 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 07:03.10 | holycow | what Guerin said |
| 07:03.17 | Guerin | follow those instructions |
| 07:03.18 | shingouz | must be sunday somewhere :p |
| 07:03.26 | DavidProck1982 | nv : command not found. NOW WHAT |
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| 07:03.30 | Guerin | shingouz: Procksville, Retardia |
| 07:03.32 | liable | hehe |
| 07:03.41 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: nv is a fucking DRIVER you imbecile |
| 07:03.54 | DavidProck1982 | i fucking did this (02:04:01 PM) dpkg: i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 07:03.57 | holycow | Daveman, in your xorg.conf file change vesa to nv or whatever you had it in there |
| 07:03.57 | holycow | or |
| 07:04.06 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: DO IT PROPERLY THIS TIME |
| 07:04.19 | DavidProck1982 | LOOK i dont get a error it just returns to the console |
| 07:04.23 | holycow | via root do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the nv driver where it asks you WHAT DRIVER to use |
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| 07:04.31 | freebse | damn, tell me why I don't like mondays :) |
| 07:04.40 | DavidProck1982 | holycow: via root do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the nv driver where it asks you WHAT DRIVER to use I DID THAT |
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| 07:04.46 | liable | Halitherses: he apparently has sarge, dont confuse the poor lad :) |
| 07:04.46 | holycow | then do restart either gdm or kdm or whatever sessions manager you are using |
| 07:04.50 | liable | holycow: ^^ |
| 07:04.59 | DavidProck1982 | holycow: then do restart either gdm or kdm or whatever sessions manager you are using I DID THAT |
| 07:05.01 | holycow | DavidProck1982, cool how far did you get? |
| 07:05.11 | holycow | k. |
| 07:05.20 | holycow | did you double check that xorg.conf has nv as the driver in it? |
| 07:05.28 | liable | xfree |
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| 07:05.32 | DavidProck1982 | all seam to go well BUT nothing AT ALL happens |
| 07:05.37 | DavidProck1982 | yes it does |
| 07:05.40 | holycow | k. |
| 07:05.48 | holycow | when you restart gdm/kdm what happens? |
| 07:06.23 | DavidProck1982 | the display blinks and it returns to the console with NO Error at all |
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| 07:06.35 | holycow | weird |
| 07:06.45 | JerJer | liable: aptitude install apache2=2.0.55 doesn't seem to work :( |
| 07:07.06 | holycow | DavidProck1982, are you tailing your xorg log file to see whats going on? |
| 07:07.12 | freebse | DavidProck1982: maybe you post your xorg.conf to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ and maybe the output of X when it does not start |
| 07:07.24 | DavidProck1982 | XFree86 |
| 07:07.34 | holycow | ohhhhh |
| 07:07.38 | holycow | lol *ummm* |
| 07:07.43 | holycow | xfrees not really supported :) |
| 07:07.44 | freebse | you use XFree86 ? |
| 07:07.47 | holycow | try using xorg pls |
| 07:07.49 | DavidProck1982 | there is no way to paste it, it is not the pc im talking on |
| 07:07.57 | holycow | :) |
| 07:07.59 | liable | JerJer: is it in your cache? |
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| 07:08.24 | JerJer | no clue - i haven't specifically deleted anything |
| 07:08.24 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: that machine has no network? |
| 07:08.24 | holycow | we cant really help with xfree its just not supported by any distro |
| 07:08.32 | Guerin | xfree is supportable |
| 07:08.38 | DavidProck1982 | fine i will format AGAIN for the 1000 time and use the net install |
| 07:08.41 | freebse | na forget about it... use xorg, the nv driver of xfree is kinda old... it does not support newest chipsets... besides nv should still work |
| 07:08.43 | Guerin | it *does* *work* with that card |
| 07:08.47 | DavidProck1982 | Yes i got it on my network |
| 07:08.48 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: no |
| 07:08.58 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: if you have a network, you can use a web browser |
| 07:09.07 | Guerin | !console paste |
| 07:09.07 | liable | JerJer: try aptitude in interactive mode and look at apache2 |
| 07:09.10 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:09.15 | holycow | that freebse is hinting at might be actually close |
| 07:09.20 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: aptitude install lynx gpm |
| 07:09.23 | holycow | you probably have an older driver and a newer vid card |
| 07:09.39 | Guerin | no, geforce4 *is* supported by nv |
| 07:09.42 | holycow | try using xorg, just my humble suggestion. no need to reinstall the whole thing i think |
| 07:09.49 | DavidProck1982 | what is lynx gpm |
| 07:09.52 | Guerin | it's a card from 2002 for fuck's sakes |
| 07:09.54 | holycow | is that what he has?hmmm |
| 07:10.20 | freebse | anyway, update to xorg... |
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| 07:10.43 | liable | ok, i can see the backports transition going well.. |
| 07:10.46 | DavidProck1982 | it is geforfce4 |
| 07:10.49 | DavidProck1982 | brb |
| 07:12.07 | DavidProck1982 | LOOK................... LISTEN......................... LET ME TYPE........................................ |
| 07:12.16 | freebse | DavidProck1982: did you have a Debian 3.01 CD to install debian, because on some disks, xfree is broken, I can remember that 2 years ago or so, we had problems with a broken package on a CD... |
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| 07:13.14 | JerJer | liable: i don't see apache2 in aptitude at all |
| 07:13.21 | ods15 | for I in `< filelist`; do ls $I; done - this fails with filenames with spaces, what should i do? |
| 07:13.55 | freebse | ods15: for a space you use this : "\ \" |
| 07:14.00 | liable | JerJer: it will be there. keep looking, i actually hate the ui of it, so i am not really very good with it. |
| 07:14.26 | ndowens | does apt-get resume downloads if my connection is stoped/lost |
| 07:14.27 | ods15 | freebse, if i write that in the filelist, it is treated as a literal '\' |
| 07:14.30 | stmz | anyone recall how to create key shortcuts to run programs? for example ctrl+t to open up a new terminal. i can't recall how to |
| 07:14.47 | stmz | using gnome |
| 07:14.53 | liable | JerJer: installed packages, main, web |
| 07:15.00 | DavidProck1982 | i while back i hade that macking running i did need need help getting the nVidia drivers going cause it was my first tiem for a nvidia card, well he took the pc home used it for a few days and all of a suddon his xserver will not start i try to work on it and cant get it going so i do it all over again LIKE A REPLAY FROM THE FIRST TIME, pirty much, and this time it will not work |
| 07:15.05 | JerJer | liable: its not listed there |
| 07:15.30 | freebse | ods15: so filname xtz.bin would be filename\ xtz.bin |
| 07:15.59 | ods15 | ls: a\: no such file or directory |
| 07:16.03 | ods15 | ls: b: no such file or directory |
| 07:16.08 | ods15 | (instead of 'a b') |
| 07:16.25 | liable | JerJer: strngely, its not in mine either. lemme have a poke around, sec |
| 07:16.25 | ods15 | did you understand the question? i'm using a for loop on a list of files |
| 07:16.33 | ods15 | i'm not manually writing the filenames |
| 07:16.47 | freebse | ods15: a ok, sorry about that |
| 07:17.00 | JerJer | my dpkg -l show it |
| 07:17.25 | JerJer | ii apache2 2.2.3-3.1 |
| 07:17.25 | JerJer | rc apache2-common 2.0.55-4 |
| 07:17.30 | DavidProck1982 | lator |
| 07:17.33 | JerJer | but i want 2.0.55-4 for apache2 :( |
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| 07:18.01 | ndowens | does apt-get resume downloads? |
| 07:18.10 | holycow | yep |
| 07:18.18 | holycow | poor david |
| 07:18.24 | holycow | workedhim self up into a tizzy |
| 07:18.45 | freebse | mdowens: no I don't think so |
| 07:18.53 | holycow | yes it does actually |
| 07:19.01 | freebse | really |
| 07:19.07 | holycow | *nod* |
| 07:19.08 | holycow | try it |
| 07:19.08 | freebse | I never tried |
| 07:19.18 | ndowens | holycow it does resume? |
| 07:19.42 | holycow | yep |
| 07:19.43 | liable | JerJer: search your /var/cache/apt/archives/ for the version you want, if it aint there try s.d.n and install with dpkg (if depends allow) |
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| 07:20.14 | ndowens | ty, i am on gentoo may install debain sarge that have until etch is officially released |
| 07:20.58 | holycow | welcome |
| 07:21.30 | JerJer | liable: yep doing now - depends dont' allow |
| 07:21.38 | JerJer | the apache2 upgraded all kinds of shit :( |
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| 07:22.08 | liable | JerJer: bizarely, apache2 is in the 'net' section.. |
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| 07:23.04 | liable | wtf woul 1.3 be in www and 2 be in net.. |
| 07:23.32 | JerJer | loverly |
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| 07:29.05 | Ilovemypuppy | ndiswrapper sucks a fat dick |
| 07:29.30 | holycow | lol |
| 07:29.49 | freebse | Ilovemypuppy: sure does, why use it |
| 07:29.58 | Ilovemypuppy | i can get the module loaded, device started etc, but b/c im using WPA its impossible to get associated with my AP |
| 07:30.00 | Ilovemypuppy | im not |
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| 07:30.16 | Ilovemypuppy | im not going to use wireless unless its in windows where it works correctly |
| 07:30.17 | freebse | go get a prism54 card :) |
| 07:30.23 | Ilovemypuppy | why? |
| 07:30.46 | holycow | i wouldn't necessarily lay the blame on ndis as i would on the idea that drivers should remain binary, proprietary and hardware remain undocumented |
| 07:30.47 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: ndiswrapper supports wpa, what driver for wpa are you using? |
| 07:30.58 | freebse | you will never get WPA working with ndiswrapper I bet, I mean I heard rumors about guys who handled to get it working... lol |
| 07:30.59 | Ilovemypuppy | wpasupplicant |
| 07:31.08 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: i mean in your conf |
| 07:31.09 | Ilovemypuppy | im not going to bother aNYMORE |
| 07:31.11 | Ilovemypuppy | WHATS THE POINT |
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| 07:31.18 | holycow | yeah |
| 07:31.23 | Ilovemypuppy | what do you mean in my conf. |
| 07:31.25 | holycow | its cheaper to just buy properly supported hardwqare |
| 07:31.28 | Ilovemypuppy | which conf |
| 07:31.41 | Ilovemypuppy | no, its cheaper to just use wired internet in linux |
| 07:31.49 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: have you even read any of the wpa_supplicant docs? |
| 07:31.52 | Ilovemypuppy | Yes. |
| 07:32.00 | Ilovemypuppy | i have read and read and read, all day long |
| 07:32.06 | Ilovemypuppy | docs and webpages and faq's |
| 07:32.09 | Ilovemypuppy | I give up |
| 07:32.15 | Ilovemypuppy | screw wireless in linux |
| 07:32.36 | liable | yes, just because you cant understand its fucked.. |
| 07:32.37 | holycow | actually wireless works amazingly well |
| 07:32.42 | holycow | you just need to buy the right hardware |
| 07:32.45 | Ilovemypuppy | its not my understanding, sorry. |
| 07:32.54 | Ilovemypuppy | No, I dont need to buy anything. |
| 07:32.55 | holycow | well i have 50 laptops in our company |
| 07:32.56 | freebse | it is not, get a supported card |
| 07:32.57 | holycow | all running linux |
| 07:32.59 | holycow | and wireless |
| 07:33.02 | holycow | its really quite simple |
| 07:33.03 | Ilovemypuppy | good for you. |
| 07:33.05 | Ilovemypuppy | sure it is. |
| 07:33.08 | holycow | buy righ thardware and it just works |
| 07:33.12 | Ilovemypuppy | sure it does. |
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| 07:33.20 | holycow | *shrug* lol |
| 07:33.27 | pstickne | I've never like WiFi. Linux, Windows, whatever, it sucks. |
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| 07:33.38 | Ilovemypuppy | works great in windows |
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| 07:33.49 | holycow | naaw |
| 07:33.53 | pstickne | Ilovemypuppy, until it randomly stops workings. |
| 07:33.55 | liable | good, so use windows and stop bleating |
| 07:33.56 | holycow | the problems are exactly the same on all platforms |
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| 07:33.59 | holycow | you just haveto have a clue |
| 07:34.02 | holycow | and have the right hardware |
| 07:34.04 | Ilovemypuppy | not here it doesnt. |
| 07:34.19 | Ilovemypuppy | Ive got a clue, and the right hardware, just the wrong OS to run wireless in. |
| 07:34.20 | holycow | most of the problems are a combination of users being dumbasses and mismatching hardware to software |
| 07:34.30 | holycow | and of course not having a clue actually is a big headache too |
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| 07:34.47 | freebse | well ndiswrapper is ^$&^#@* not wifi on linux... there isa difference, I never had such problems with linux supported hardware |
| 07:34.52 | Ilovemypuppy | its ok, I can wire my server |
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| 07:35.23 | freebse | get a prism54 card... and it works "like on Windows" |
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| 07:35.32 | holycow | indeedf |
| 07:35.34 | holycow | -f |
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| 07:36.08 | freebse | no you don't if you need to use ***%^&$#$@# like ndiswrapper |
| 07:36.59 | Ilovemypuppy | i dont need to use it. Wired is good for me. |
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| 07:37.15 | Ilovemypuppy | and yes, ndiswrapper is definitely excrement. |
| 07:37.20 | Ilovemypuppy | pure, 100% feces. |
| 07:37.32 | liable | paste your interfaces and wpa_supp config |
| 07:37.32 | freebse | nobody said anything else |
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| 07:37.55 | holycow | heh |
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| 07:38.16 | holycow | sometimes this channel seems like #12stepprogram |
| 07:38.23 | wlnet | ? |
| 07:38.47 | holycow | part of learning is venting i guess |
| 07:39.02 | freebse | lol but pssst |
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| 07:39.14 | Ilovemypuppy | liable, why bother |
| 07:39.20 | wlnet | anyone using splashy? |
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| 07:39.31 | Ilovemypuppy | its not going to work no matter what you do |
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| 07:39.48 | rxkaffee | what do I need to do to get a joystick working under etch? when telling gpm to use /dev/input/js0 for mouse emulation, it says /dev/input/js0 does not exist... I've verified with `ls` that it does infact exist... is this an indication that I don't have the proper modules loaded for joystick? |
| 07:39.50 | Ilovemypuppy | let me boot that crappy box up and Ill post it |
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| 07:40.34 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: indeed, so why dont you stop whining? |
| 07:40.50 | Ilovemypuppy | im not whining |
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| 07:41.02 | niru | hello |
| 07:41.14 | d0uglas | hi.. i'd like to capture audio that plays on a flash page.. |
| 07:41.15 | niru | I want to have my whole os in an usb |
| 07:41.21 | holycow | Ilovemypuppy, i thought you came here for emotional support |
| 07:41.28 | niru | is it possible |
| 07:41.30 | rxkaffee | I'd like to use the joystick in unreal tournament, but figured it'd be simplier to confirm its working with gpm mouse emulation first |
| 07:41.35 | niru | what is the terminology called |
| 07:41.35 | liable | rxkaffee: why are you trying to get gpm to use a joystick? |
| 07:41.38 | holycow | niru, yep! |
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| 07:41.47 | niru | holycow:hi |
| 07:41.56 | holycow | niru, lots and lots of google tuts on that |
| 07:41.58 | niru | holycow:did you get my question |
| 07:42.01 | Ilovemypuppy | sure |
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| 07:42.26 | rxkaffee | liable: I'd like to use the joystick in unreal tournament, but figured it'd be simplier to confirm its working with gpm mouse emulation first |
| 07:42.41 | holycow | d0uglas, yeah there are a few plugins for firefox to capture the video from the flash |
| 07:42.45 | rxkaffee | just incase ya didn't notice me type that a sec ago ;) |
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| 07:42.57 | holycow | you should be able to then take that extract the sound fia mplayer or similar |
| 07:43.29 | rxkaffee | liable: am I taking the wrong approach here? |
| 07:43.38 | JerJer | wholy cluster*uck batman |
| 07:43.48 | Ilovemypuppy | http://pastebin.ca/266613 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:44.08 | JerJer | liable: thanks for pointing me in the right direction - a major website was down for 30 minutes :( |
| 07:44.40 | liable | rxkaffee: why not just 'cat /dev/input/js0' and try moving it? |
| 07:44.48 | JerJer | actually down almost an hour |
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| 07:45.08 | liable | JerJer: did you fix it or not? |
| 07:45.13 | JerJer | yeah |
| 07:45.31 | JerJer | i had to remove everything, then add the right version back in |
| 07:45.36 | rxkaffee | liable: that tells me "no such device too" but I can *see* js0, js1, and js2 in there |
| 07:45.45 | wlnet | Why is syslog reporting 2 CPUs when my is a one CPU Intel motherboard? CPU0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz stepping 09. CPU1: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz stepping 09. Total of 2 processors activated (10380.64 BogoMIPS). |
| 07:45.50 | Ilovemypuppy | http://pastebin.ca/266615 /etc/network/wpa_supplicant |
| 07:45.58 | liable | rxkaffee: what did dmesg say when you plugged it in? |
| 07:46.09 | fooz | wlnet, it's dual-core or has hyperthreading |
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| 07:46.53 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: and your interfaces file? |
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| 07:46.58 | wlnet | fooz: it is not dual-core but yes, hyperthreading. hyperthreading is not dual-cpu, surely? |
| 07:47.19 | fooz | no, it's not |
| 07:47.24 | fooz | which model of CPU is it? |
| 07:47.26 | Ilovemypuppy | http://pastebin.ca/266617 /etc/default/wpasupplicant |
| 07:47.27 | liable | i love how people edit there wireless keys.. ok, maybe i am not paranoid enough |
| 07:47.28 | Ilovemypuppy | http://pastebin.ca/266613 /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:47.50 | rxkaffee | liable: absolutely nothing |
| 07:47.51 | wlnet | fooz: so, reporting it as 2 CPU is definitely wrong. |
| 07:48.03 | fooz | no, it's not |
| 07:48.14 | wlnet | fooz: what is not? |
| 07:48.20 | rxkaffee | liable: I thought midi-port was like serial in that it does not announce its self when you plug it in |
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| 07:48.23 | liable | rxkaffee: replug it |
| 07:48.31 | fooz | wlnet, linux |
| 07:48.39 | liable | rxkaffee: oh, i have no idea about midi ports |
| 07:48.52 | rxkaffee | do people use USB for joystick these days or somethinG? |
| 07:49.00 | liable | yeah |
| 07:49.06 | rxkaffee | weak :/ |
| 07:49.14 | holycow | rxkaffee, never tried it. i should look into that my self |
| 07:49.15 | fooz | i use my neural interface for joysticks |
| 07:49.18 | wlnet | fooz: is Linux the reason? would Window not detect it as such? |
| 07:49.36 | fooz | wlnet, linux is written to treat an HT CPU as more than one CPU |
| 07:49.48 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: ok, looks correct, did you try the -d (debug) option? |
| 07:50.57 | wlnet | fooz: i see, considering that HT is only a few years old, this must be a recent addition to Linux. |
| 07:51.04 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: is that sarge wpa_supp? |
| 07:51.13 | fooz | wlnet, http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-htl/ |
| 07:51.19 | Ilovemypuppy | yes |
| 07:51.23 | Ilovemypuppy | and yes |
| 07:51.36 | Ilovemypuppy | and the wpa_supp doesnt detect or see the AP |
| 07:52.40 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: ok, i havent used the sarge version for a long time, try pasting your debug output to a mailing list |
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| 07:53.38 | Ilovemypuppy | the wpa_supplicant -i wlan0 -D ndiswrapper -c /etc/network/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd output? |
| 07:53.38 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: i would actually be more inclined to blame wpa-supp than ndiswrapper. can you connect without wpa? |
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| 07:53.52 | wlnet | fooz: thks for the link. my is a 2.6G P4, not a Xeon. |
| 07:53.58 | Ilovemypuppy | there is no connecting w/o wpa |
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| 07:54.12 | Ilovemypuppy | im not taking my wireless network down b/c linux can't deal |
| 07:54.20 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: cant you find an open ap to test? |
| 07:54.25 | Ilovemypuppy | no |
| 07:54.34 | Kevin` | what's wrong with your wireles? |
| 07:54.45 | Ilovemypuppy | let me pastebin the output |
| 07:54.52 | Kevin` | oh ndiswrapper |
| 07:54.56 | Kevin` | why do people use that :/ |
| 07:54.58 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: cant you just disable wpa for 5 minutes to test it? |
| 07:55.09 | liable | Kevin`: because they have no choice? |
| 07:55.23 | Kevin` | liable 'no choice' isn't very common :) |
| 07:55.39 | Kevin` | it just takes some advance thought |
| 07:55.39 | Ilovemypuppy | ill try it without any security |
| 07:55.43 | rxkaffee | Kevin`: because cashflow quickly eliminates "choices" |
| 07:56.22 | liable | Kevin`: well, just because you dont like it, do you think the devs should stop coding it? |
| 07:56.28 | Kevin` | rxkaffee it's not hard to find a very cheap wireless adapter that supports linux, there's no difference from the windows only ones |
| 07:56.32 | Ilovemypuppy | how do I net up my /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:56.37 | Kevin` | liable no, it serves a purpose I suppose |
| 07:56.46 | liable | i think its great, even though luckily i have not had to use it |
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| 07:57.06 | liable | its a kludge, sure, but if it works for some.. |
| 07:57.12 | Kevin` | it encourages some companies to NOT release linux drivers though |
| 07:57.23 | liable | i very much doubt that |
| 07:57.24 | holycow | i'm with kevin on this |
| 07:57.49 | Kevin` | if you look at the linuxant version of ndiswrapper they even encourage this |
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| 07:57.58 | Kevin` | (forgot what that was called) |
| 07:58.05 | liable | which companies have released a truley open source driver without a binary blob? |
| 07:58.11 | Kevin` | driverloader |
| 07:58.19 | Kevin` | liable quite a few |
| 07:58.30 | holycow | well for wireless they HAVETO do the binary blob for legal reasons |
| 07:58.51 | Kevin` | with some chipsets the device itself has it's own software and checks |
| 07:59.00 | Kevin` | so they can release a fully open driver |
| 07:59.05 | liable | Kevin`: older ones, yes |
| 07:59.10 | Ilovemypuppy | liable, how can I get this thing to see the access point |
| 07:59.17 | Ilovemypuppy | I have no encryption at all on |
| 07:59.19 | Kevin` | liable old ones like intel and ralink? |
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| 07:59.40 | liable | i still dont believe ndis makes those companies think they dont have to care about linux. they didnt care to start with |
| 07:59.41 | fooz | rt2x00 cards are open source.. but works very badly |
| 08:00.03 | liable | a lot arent made by the companies to start with |
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| 08:00.17 | fooz | it's a shame too, because cards with that chip cost like $6 |
| 08:00.19 | holycow | liable, well semantics i mean how do you quantify the reality of the situation |
| 08:00.30 | Kevin` | fooz that one works fine for me, heh :) |
| 08:00.32 | wlnet | fooz: i use Belkin board with rt2500 and it works great. well supported by debian. |
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| 08:00.39 | fooz | really? |
| 08:00.40 | holycow | i think what kevin is saying is that at minimum ndis gives them a way out when you ask for specs of the device |
| 08:00.46 | holycow | or an open source driver |
| 08:00.52 | fooz | i get kernel panics, and even when it doesn't panic, it won't associate |
| 08:01.11 | holycow | we shouldnt give them a way out, we should try to get them to realize there is money to be made pandering to us |
| 08:01.14 | Ilovemypuppy | mine wont panic but it wont associate. no matter what I do |
| 08:01.16 | fooz | but I have the newest chips (RT61, RT2600) |
| 08:01.26 | liable | the realtecks are an example, the manufacturer didnt support those drivers to stat with.. |
| 08:01.27 | wlnet | Ilovepuppy: dhclient <wlan dev> |
| 08:01.48 | fooz | wlnet, dhcp won't work if it won't associate first |
| 08:01.53 | Kevin` | liable they support them now.. |
| 08:01.56 | Monk- | hi, screen -L -d -m -S name /path/script is not running. where does screen output its error messages? the screen is working normally though |
| 08:01.59 | Ilovemypuppy | its putting out dhcpdiscover but if it can't see the AP its not going ot get anything |
| 08:02.25 | fooz | I still use an Intersil Prism2 |
| 08:02.31 | liable | Kevin`: but they didnt originally, thats the point i am trying to make. they never cared, and the cards were probably supported by ndis |
| 08:02.47 | Kevin` | liable yes, what made them care then |
| 08:03.00 | Ilovemypuppy | so no way to make it scan for wireless networks like the windows client? |
| 08:03.01 | fooz | it's entirely too much work to find a modern linux-supported FOSS-driver wireless card that does AP mode and sniffing |
| 08:03.05 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: i thought your iface file had a static ip? |
| 08:03.12 | rxkaffee | Ilovemypuppy: iwlist interfacehere scan |
| 08:03.12 | Kevin` | ndiswrapper is a crap solution for a commercial device |
| 08:03.13 | wlnet | iwlist scan |
| 08:03.21 | Kevin` | doesn't even support ap mode |
| 08:03.24 | rxkaffee | Ilovemypuppy: I believe most cards require you set the current essid to off though |
| 08:03.28 | Ilovemypuppy | liable, im trying for a dhcp now, its how I can tell its associating |
| 08:03.37 | Kevin` | fooz it's very easy.. |
| 08:03.46 | Kevin` | fooz anything atheros, which is rather common |
| 08:03.52 | fooz | Kevin`, so which product can I go to a store and buy? |
| 08:03.53 | Kevin` | and a couple others like ralink |
| 08:03.58 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: dhclient can suck too, try dhcp3client and/or pump if it fails |
| 08:04.00 | fooz | ralink doesn't work here at all |
| 08:04.04 | fooz | I tried. kernel panics. |
| 08:04.05 | Kevin` | fooz most abg cards for a while were all atheros |
| 08:04.13 | Ilovemypuppy | wlan0 no scan results |
| 08:04.21 | fooz | Never seen an abg product in the store |
| 08:04.23 | Kevin` | there are probably some intel now too, but the intel driver supports ap mode I believe |
| 08:04.37 | Kevin` | fooz if not, then you might have to look at a hardware list |
| 08:04.38 | Kevin` | oh the pain |
| 08:04.43 | Ilovemypuppy | if I can get it to recognize the AP i'll worry about that first |
| 08:04.53 | wlnet | Ilovemypuppy: ifconfig wlan, and what do u get? |
| 08:05.00 | wlnet | wlan0 |
| 08:05.00 | fooz | you ever try to find out what chip a particular card on the shelf has? it's not easy |
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| 08:05.16 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: and the iface actually shows up and running in ifconfig? |
| 08:05.17 | Ilovemypuppy | if gives me a ton of info, none of which is an ip address |
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| 08:05.28 | wlnet | fooz: its easy. /proc... |
| 08:05.35 | Ilovemypuppy | shows up but with no IP |
| 08:05.41 | SlayerXP | !ops [Aycha] is an on-join porn spammer |
| 08:05.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: slayerxp complains about: [Aycha] is an on-join porn spammer |
| 08:05.50 | Kevin` | Ilovemypuppy if ifconfig doesn't show an ip then none is assigned |
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| 08:05.57 | fooz | wlnet, sure. I'm going to buy a wireless card just to see what chipset it has... |
| 08:05.58 | Ilovemypuppy | I know that. |
| 08:06.19 | wlnet | fooz: get the info fr the vendor's website. |
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| 08:06.37 | Kevin` | the vendors website doesn't have that information |
| 08:06.42 | Kevin` | most vendors are too stupid to put useful information on the site |
| 08:06.43 | Kevin` | :) |
| 08:06.55 | Ilovemypuppy | im going to hang myself. |
| 08:06.59 | Kevin` | just check the lists from the driver or drivers you want to use |
| 08:07.09 | wlnet | many website do, ndiswrapper website, |
| 08:07.25 | Kevin` | ndiswrapper isn't a vendor |
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| 08:07.31 | Kevin` | and you shouldn't check it before buying anyway |
| 08:07.37 | Ilovemypuppy | driver is loaded, just can't associate with the AP |
| 08:07.40 | fooz | ndiswrapper isn't an FOSS solution to my problem |
| 08:07.42 | Kevin` | since the point is to get something better then ndiswarpper supported |
| 08:07.53 | wlnet | there is a website for it, which list cards n chips info. |
| 08:08.17 | Kevin` | oh, I suppose it would list chipsets wouldn't it |
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| 08:08.32 | Kevin` | but I suspect it tends more towards unsupported cards then ones with open drivers |
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| 08:08.39 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: does dmesg give any usefull output when you modprobe ndiswrapper module? |
| 08:08.45 | Kevin` | where the people would never even go to the ndiswrapper site |
| 08:08.54 | Kevin` | Ilovemypuppy iwlist wlan0 sacn |
| 08:08.57 | Kevin` | Ilovemypuppy iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 08:08.57 | Kevin` | * |
| 08:09.06 | liable | not all cards support scanning.. |
| 08:09.09 | wlnet | Ilovemypuppy: ifconfig wlan0 up, iwconfig wlan0 |
| 08:09.11 | Ilovemypuppy | no scan results |
| 08:09.26 | Kevin` | liable I doubt that.. |
| 08:09.32 | Kevin` | how does windows get a list then |
| 08:09.37 | wlnet | iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid off |
| 08:09.40 | Ilovemypuppy | its not listing my wireless network |
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| 08:10.07 | Kevin` | Ilovemypuppy out of curiosity, could you give me the output of lspci for your card |
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| 08:10.14 | Kevin` | assuming it's pci or cardbus |
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| 08:10.26 | Ilovemypuppy | usb |
| 08:10.39 | Kevin` | lsusb then |
| 08:10.56 | ndc | how to connect usb infrared ....so i googled but i dont find it |
| 08:11.11 | Ilovemypuppy | bus 005 Device 002: ID 0457:0163 Silicon Integrated Systems Corp. |
| 08:11.27 | Kevin` | which usb infared.. is it an irda or other, so many choices.. |
| 08:12.04 | ndc | i dont know which kind its look like mouse |
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| 08:12.18 | Kevin` | ndc what is it made for |
| 08:12.43 | ndc | its cheeper its made in china |
| 08:12.47 | Kevin` | irda? remote control? some vendor specific toy? |
| 08:12.59 | Kevin` | more information is needed |
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| 08:13.03 | Kevin` | lots of stuff uses infared |
| 08:13.21 | ndc | ya i wanna use it for my mobile |
| 08:13.37 | Kevin` | so it's a device that came with the mobile? |
| 08:13.51 | Ilovemypuppy | fuck wireless, i give up |
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| 08:14.13 | wlnet | Ilovemypuppy: love wireless. |
| 08:14.15 | Kevin` | suit yourself, all my wireless devices work great in linux.. |
| 08:14.26 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: you pussy. |
| 08:14.28 | ndc | no its external |
| 08:14.31 | Ilovemypuppy | if it can't see the AP its useless. |
| 08:14.45 | Gnea | perhaps the AP isn't configured properly |
| 08:14.50 | wlnet | u haven't set it up right. |
| 08:14.55 | Ilovemypuppy | works fine with my windows clients |
| 08:15.17 | Ilovemypuppy | probably not, but im tired of wasting hours to set this up correctly |
| 08:15.22 | Gnea | did you set it up with encryption turned on or off? |
| 08:15.32 | Ilovemypuppy | I tried it with both |
| 08:15.37 | liable | Kevin`: just to back me previous comment.. root@linux:~# iwlist ath0 scanning |
| 08:15.37 | liable | ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument |
| 08:15.40 | Kevin` | do you have ssid cloaking on? |
| 08:15.43 | Ilovemypuppy | it wont see the AP either way |
| 08:15.44 | solid_liq | anyone know how to fix this problem? dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 08:15.47 | Gnea | what is it setup with currently? |
| 08:15.50 | Ilovemypuppy | no, ssid broadcast is enabled |
| 08:15.50 | wlnet | Gnea: not likely, there could not many up and working around his area. |
| 08:15.59 | Kevin` | liable iwconfig ath0 |head -n 1 |
| 08:16.03 | Ilovemypuppy | currently im changing it back to wpa-psk |
| 08:16.09 | Gnea | wlnet: huh? |
| 08:16.38 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: well i could help you, but since you don't want the help, i'll just let you go hang yourself then. |
| 08:16.38 | liable | Kevin`: and what info do you want from that? |
| 08:16.43 | wlnet | Gnea: if the client is working, it could detect other networks nearby. |
| 08:16.43 | Kevin` | mode |
| 08:16.46 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, thanks :) |
| 08:16.47 | ndc | so how i configer this usb infrared device |
| 08:16.51 | Gnea | lol |
| 08:16.59 | liable | Kevin`: b, but its a b/g card |
| 08:17.00 | wlnet | not only his own network. |
| 08:17.07 | cydork | liable: which card is this? firmware is correctly setup? have you done ifconfig ath0 up? |
| 08:17.09 | wlnet | Gnea: Agree? |
| 08:17.12 | Kevin` | ath0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"testing" Nickname:"kwzs" |
| 08:17.12 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.15 | Kevin` | no, like that mode |
| 08:17.22 | Ilovemypuppy | theres no other wireless networks here |
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| 08:17.43 | Gnea | wlnet: well since i'm in the dark on the details, i'm not going to agree or disagree at this time. |
| 08:17.53 | liable | cydork: the card works perfectly, i am just making a point |
| 08:18.16 | solid_liq | anyone know how to fix this problem? dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 08:18.23 | Kevin` | liable I can do the same thing you did quite easily, then make it work again like you know it does :) |
| 08:18.24 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, here: |
| 08:18.32 | Ilovemypuppy | http://pastebin.ca/266613 /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:18.36 | Ilovemypuppy | http://pastebin.ca/266617 /etc/default/wpasupplicant |
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| 08:18.42 | Ilovemypuppy | http://pastebin.ca/266615 /etc/network/wpa_supplicant |
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| 08:18.44 | cydork | liable: oh ok.. just joined :P |
| 08:18.45 | wlnet | Gnea: when i got my pci wlan card working, i get many stations. |
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| 08:18.56 | Ilovemypuppy | if you can tell me what im doing wrong i'd appreciate it |
| 08:19.00 | Gnea | wlnet: yeah well, that depends on where you live |
| 08:19.01 | ndc | so what about infrared |
| 08:19.06 | wlnet | wlan is very common nowadays. |
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| 08:19.23 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: i'll let you know when it loads in a few years :) |
| 08:19.26 | Kevin` | ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument |
| 08:19.26 | Kevin` | root@kwzs:~# wlanconfig ath0 destroy |
| 08:19.26 | Kevin` | root@kwzs:~# wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta |
| 08:19.26 | Kevin` | ath0 |
| 08:19.26 | Kevin` | root@kwzs:~# iwlist ath0 scan |
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| 08:19.28 | Ilovemypuppy | ok |
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| 08:19.35 | Gnea | !paster |
| 08:19.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:19.52 | liable | Kevin`: whether or not its associated, the card gives that from iwlist, of course it works fine with kismet, once again i am making a point that not all cards support iwlist scan |
| 08:19.56 | Gnea | pastebin.ca has been extremely unreliable lately |
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| 08:20.16 | Kevin` | liable I suspect you are doing something wrong, intentionally or otherwise |
| 08:20.24 | Ilovemypuppy | ok im going to go smoke |
| 08:20.30 | Gnea | :) |
| 08:20.35 | Ilovemypuppy | but i give the hell up on wireless |
| 08:20.39 | liable | Kevin`: even with the old code it didnt support it. |
| 08:21.01 | Kevin` | can you humor me and do the same thing I did? :) |
| 08:21.22 | Ilovemypuppy | im going to go take an Ndiswrapper and wipe my wpa_supplicant |
| 08:21.25 | Kevin` | oh and make sure the interface is up before you scan |
| 08:21.27 | wlnet | Gnea: maybe the first thing to find out is where does thta puppy live. |
| 08:21.29 | Kevin` | or it will give an error |
| 08:21.41 | Gnea | wlnet: maybe it doesn't matter |
| 08:21.52 | Kevin` | ath0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Invalid argument |
| 08:21.55 | Kevin` | if the interface is down |
| 08:22.19 | Kevin` | perhaps it's misleading, but the error IS documented :) |
| 08:22.29 | Gnea | Kevin`: if the driver doesn't support scanning then it doesn't support scanning. |
| 08:22.38 | Kevin` | Gnea i'm using the same driver he is |
| 08:22.43 | liable | Gnea: he has the same driver as me |
| 08:22.45 | wlnet | Gnea: if he is giving up, its none of our business. |
| 08:22.53 | Gnea | Kevin`: with the same card? |
| 08:22.58 | liable | yeah |
| 08:23.02 | Kevin` | Gnea unknown.. liable what card? |
| 08:23.03 | Gnea | same make, same model, same firmware? |
| 08:23.06 | Kevin` | (chipset) |
| 08:23.11 | liable | well, same chipset |
| 08:23.22 | liable | prolly |
| 08:23.25 | Gnea | yada yada |
| 08:23.33 | Gnea | i've seen ath0 not scan before |
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| 08:23.44 | Gnea | it's usually a flaw in the chipset |
| 08:23.48 | Gnea | could be a version off |
| 08:23.54 | Kevin` | it will give that error if it's not a client mode interface, or not active |
| 08:24.08 | Gnea | or could be a driver version/kernel diversion |
| 08:24.15 | Kevin` | and probably some other situations you could manage to cause |
| 08:24.26 | acc_ | #Debian: I'm trying to get ACPI working properly on my Toshiba M45 S359. I've read through the ACPI HOWTO and followed the advice at http://www.cantrip.org/toshiba-m45.html. When I come back from standby, it runs /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh and powers off. How can I fix this? |
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| 08:24.39 | Kevin` | since the default mode of the driver is Master I believe, it could happen easily |
| 08:24.48 | Alex_Jones_Rocks | What programs are out there on GNU/Linux systems for playing midi files? |
| 08:24.49 | Kevin` | and of course the interface starts down |
| 08:24.55 | liable | no, default is sta, with the debian package |
| 08:25.06 | Gnea | Alex_Jones_Rocks: apt-cache search midi |
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| 08:25.18 | Kevin` | well i'm just using madwifi from svn (rather out of date svn actually), not from package |
| 08:25.35 | Gnea | Kevin`: instead of using the debianized version? |
| 08:25.46 | Kevin` | Gnea I use a custom kernel, so it's easier |
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| 08:25.55 | Kevin` | just make && make install |
| 08:26.03 | Gnea | Kevin`: non-debian kernel, non-debian driver, sorry, we can't help. |
| 08:26.10 | Kevin` | I don't have problems with it |
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| 08:26.28 | Ilovemypuppy | well other than wireless im very happy with deb stable, it even ran shoutcast |
| 08:26.34 | ericP | i am using cups with the Hp940c driver cdj970, which seems to be configured by /usr/share/foomatic/db/source/driver/cdj970.xml |
| 08:26.38 | liable | Gnea: he doesnt have problems, this is just a pissing contest between him and me :) |
| 08:26.38 | ericP | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_940C recommends hpjis, but i don't know how to find the .xml file for it. any ideas? |
| 08:26.49 | Ilovemypuppy | i couldnt get centos to run shoutcast, which made me sad |
| 08:27.12 | Gnea | liable: ok, well the fact that he's not using proper debian software automatically puts him in the wrong for asking for help in here in the first place :) |
| 08:27.18 | Kevin` | I really do suspect your doing something wrong though, liable. most likely leaving the interface down before scannign |
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| 08:27.32 | Kevin` | which would work for a normal connection because dhclient brings it up |
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| 08:28.04 | Ilovemypuppy | if anyone is using wpa-supplicant and ndiswrapper successfully i'd be really grateful for some help |
| 08:28.11 | Ilovemypuppy | I might even not act like a punk |
| 08:28.13 | Gnea | Kevin`: if liable could get his to work with debian software and you can't get it to work with non-debian software, then quite frankly, that tells me that you're doing something doubly wrong. |
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| 08:28.25 | Kevin` | I have used it successfully for 802.1x, but not for wpa, never had a need, sorry :) |
| 08:28.47 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: ok, well if you want help, then don't act like a punk. |
| 08:28.49 | Kevin` | Gnea I can get it to work with non-debian software, and his won't work with debian software, you have it backwards |
| 08:28.52 | Ilovemypuppy | im wondering what im missing that makes it not see the access point |
| 08:29.01 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, ill do my best |
| 08:29.12 | Gnea | Kevin`, liable: fuck it, i give up on both of you. good luck. |
| 08:29.29 | Kevin` | specifically, he can't get the wireless card to scan |
| 08:29.32 | Kevin` | while I can.. |
| 08:29.37 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: let's forget all about wpa for now... |
| 08:29.38 | FyFa | hi, i got working postfix + amavis + clamav + postfixadmin on debian, pop3 works, but i cant login to mail, i guess, becouse, in courier is something wrong.. |
| 08:30.10 | liable | Kevin`: its not that i cant (kismet works fine) its that i was trying to make a point that not all linux drivers support scanning |
| 08:30.11 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, what i'd REALLY like is a working /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf for ndiswrapper and WPA-PSK with tkip |
| 08:30.24 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, no problem |
| 08:30.25 | Kevin` | liable but yours does support scanning :) |
| 08:30.29 | liable | Kevin`: from iwlist |
| 08:30.32 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, ive got a wrt546 |
| 08:30.35 | Ilovemypuppy | g |
| 08:30.36 | Kevin` | from iwlist. |
| 08:30.39 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: start at the beginning - what kernel version do you have, what kind of card is it (make/model/firmware/chipset)? |
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| 08:30.48 | Ilovemypuppy | and I am using ndiswrapper with the sis163u driver |
| 08:30.49 | Kevin` | I suspect your just using it wrong |
| 08:30.54 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: i don't see why, wpa is fake and crap anyway |
| 08:31.05 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, this is deb stable with 2.6.8-3-6876-smp |
| 08:31.11 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, this is deb stable with 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 08:31.20 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: btw, pastebin.ca timed out. |
| 08:31.24 | Gnea | !paster |
| 08:31.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:31.27 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, lame |
| 08:31.29 | Gnea | use the debian paster instead |
| 08:31.36 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: like i said, they've had problems lately |
| 08:31.37 | markybob | i cant figure out how to let apache launch something into X. i keep getting "AUDIT: Mon Dec 4 03:21:17 2006: 5368 X: client 3 rejected from local host" any ideas? www-data's home has .Xauthority file and actually x is being run as www-data, so why wouldnt i be able to -display into it? |
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| 08:31.50 | Kevin` | kismet scans using a different method then iwlist, and happens to be more forgiving with configuration because it understands the atheros driver and how to config it |
| 08:32.25 | Gnea | markybob: a web server is supposed to execute an X app? please, take your crack elsewhere. |
| 08:32.31 | Kevin` | (it creates it's one virtual interface in monitor mode) |
| 08:32.58 | FyFa | can anyone help with this error http://www.paste.lt/paste/efbe2a59506b2ce9a91e7485ccc1a7e5 |
| 08:33.07 | Ilovemypuppy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4698 |
| 08:33.08 | markybob | Gnea, yes, actually. using openoffice, headless server mode, to convert odt to pdf. |
| 08:33.19 | blondie | that's a stupid idea |
| 08:33.30 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: are you familiar with backports? |
| 08:33.38 | Gnea | markybob: what blondie said. |
| 08:33.59 | markybob | Gnea, pretty smartass comment for not giving a better idea |
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| 08:34.12 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, no |
| 08:34.22 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, and im too burnt to try and figure that out too right now |
| 08:34.39 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, the ndiswrapper driver will load though and try for an ip and all |
| 08:34.47 | Ilovemypuppy | hotplug and all |
| 08:35.03 | Kevin` | liable if you really want to test, modprobe -r ath_pci; modprobe ath_pci; wlanconfig ath0 destroy; wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta; ifconfig ath0 0.0.0.0 up; iwlist ath0 scan |
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| 08:35.17 | markybob | Gnea, got a better one or do you just like to talk trash? |
| 08:35.35 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: what happens when you just do ifup wlan0 instead of dhclient wlan0? |
| 08:35.44 | Ilovemypuppy | same thing |
| 08:35.59 | Ilovemypuppy | I gotta get associated with the AP |
| 08:36.06 | liable | Kevin`: i have been avoiding this, but, yes, you are right |
| 08:36.12 | Kevin` | :D |
| 08:36.12 | dondelelcaro | markybob: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 08:36.22 | dondelelcaro | markybob: why should the apache server ever be running something in X? |
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| 08:36.42 | liable | Ilovemypuppy: so iwconfig wlan0 <yourap> |
| 08:36.52 | liable | err, add a essid in there |
| 08:36.53 | Kevin` | Ilovemypuppy can you pastebin the output of iwconfig and ifconfig? |
| 08:37.05 | Ilovemypuppy | that doesnt do anything |
| 08:37.08 | markybob | dondelelcaro, openoffice in headless mode. i cant find another method to convert odt and ods to pdf. couldnt find any command line only options that dont need x fb |
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| 08:37.46 | Ilovemypuppy | ok let me find a more convienent pastebin |
| 08:37.56 | Kevin` | starting a gui program from webserver was a lot easier in win98 :) |
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| 08:38.48 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: got it finally |
| 08:38.51 | Kevin` | pastebin.ca usually works well |
| 08:38.56 | dondelelcaro | markybob: the headless mode should not need to connect to the X server |
| 08:39.13 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: okay, that's /etc/default/wpasuppliment |
| 08:39.14 | Ilovemypuppy | i reset the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:39.17 | Gnea | that doesn't help me |
| 08:39.21 | markybob | dondelelcaro, i agree with you, however that's not the case. it errors out |
| 08:39.34 | dondelelcaro | markybob: file a bug, because it shouldn't be trying to connect to the X server in that mode. |
| 08:39.35 | Ilovemypuppy | so any kind of help would be nice |
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| 08:40.13 | Gnea | man, i've gotta get a new router |
| 08:40.13 | dondelelcaro | markybob: then start something like xmove and have OO connect to it |
| 08:40.19 | Kevin` | Ilovemypuppy ifconfig wlan0 up; iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 08:40.23 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: the pastebin.ca just came up |
| 08:40.28 | Kevin` | might make a difference, probably not |
| 08:40.40 | markybob | dondelelcaro, good thinking. thanks |
| 08:40.44 | Ilovemypuppy | Kevin`, just scans and gets nothing |
| 08:41.01 | dondelelcaro | markybob: running a real X server is silly, and since all you want is to allow OO to work, running a single xmove server on an odd port on localhost that allows connections from anything is the right way to go. |
| 08:41.22 | Ilovemypuppy | now im turning off wireless encryption |
| 08:41.25 | markybob | dondelelcaro, much appreciated |
| 08:41.33 | Ilovemypuppy | im uninstalling wpasuuplicant |
| 08:41.53 | Gnea | Ilovemypuppy: you know what, i say shelve the whole thing and try again later. i just got home from work and i can't deal with piss-moan-and-bitch-i-need-it-to-work-now-or-i'll-cry-and-bitch-like-the-bitch-that-i-am right now. |
| 08:42.07 | Kevin` | Ilovemypuppy try reloading ndiswrapper (remove and reload the module), then take the interface up and scan, without starting any other programs |
| 08:42.14 | Kevin` | sometimes drivers can get confused |
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| 08:43.03 | sobersabre | hi. I am planning to migrate an old RH server to Debian Sarge. |
| 08:43.17 | sobersabre | the problem is that it has a software RAID, with users files. |
| 08:43.24 | sobersabre | it is reiserfs. |
| 08:43.25 | Ilovemypuppy | Gnea, I dont know what you're talking about, but by all means , feel free to fuck off |
| 08:43.35 | Kevin` | might want to use etch, as it's about to be released as stable |
| 08:43.41 | Kevin` | or has been |
| 08:43.42 | Kevin` | iono |
| 08:43.46 | blondie | I wouldn't use etch on a server till it was stable |
| 08:43.46 | sobersabre | Shall I *expect* data loss ? |
| 08:43.48 | liable | haha |
| 08:43.58 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: always expect data loss |
| 08:44.00 | Kevin` | sobersabre always |
| 08:44.01 | blondie | sobersabre: you can always restore from backup, can't you |
| 08:44.07 | sobersabre | 'expect the unexpected' |
| 08:44.08 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 08:44.29 | sobersabre | the problem is that 300GB is a long downtime. |
| 08:44.30 | dondelelcaro | I'd be surprised if you had to use your backups, but you *are* using reiserfs... |
| 08:44.46 | blondie | how do you know what FS he's using? |
| 08:44.49 | blondie | oh |
| 08:44.52 | blondie | :) |
| 08:45.06 | dondelelcaro | blondie: magick. ;-) |
| 08:45.07 | Kevin` | I remember hearing about some problems using old reiserfs filesystems with newer versions of the driver |
| 08:45.07 | sobersabre | blondie ... rt<fine>message |
| 08:45.37 | sobersabre | Kevin` and the 'some problems' resulted in data loss or 'some problems' ? |
| 08:45.39 | Kevin` | or was that something else |
| 08:45.50 | sobersabre | OK... I get the point. |
| 08:46.27 | Kevin` | what version of reiserfs does debian sarge have? |
| 08:46.36 | sobersabre | 3.x something. |
| 08:46.46 | Kevin` | and yours? |
| 08:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: depends on which version of the kernel you're using |
| 08:47.03 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro 2.4 |
| 08:47.10 | liable | 4 is even in the kernel? |
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| 08:48.57 | sobersabre | reiserfs utils on sarge are 3.6.19-1 |
| 08:49.07 | sobersabre | and on the old server they are 3.6.x older |
| 08:49.31 | sobersabre | 3.6.4-5 |
| 08:49.44 | Kevin` | Will it be possible to read/write ReiserFS partitions created now with future versions of ReiserFS? |
| 08:49.45 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:50.03 | sobersabre | hmm.... |
| 08:50.12 | sobersabre | I hope I won't spend my time waiting for the restore. |
| 08:50.17 | Kevin` | but the old (3.5) format could be converted to the new one (3.6) with the "-o conv" mount option. |
| 08:50.27 | sobersabre | actually it is not SO much ( It is now 140G only ) |
| 08:50.35 | sobersabre | ok |
| 08:50.41 | sobersabre | thanks Kevin` |
| 08:50.53 | Kevin` | which you probably don't want to use on the first mount :) |
| 08:50.59 | Kevin` | hope it works for you |
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| 08:51.12 | sobersabre | me too... |
| 08:51.20 | sobersabre | I will backup it again... just in case. |
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| 08:58.33 | Phil2 | anyone know what's wrong with my apt-get update?: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=312 |
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| 09:00.54 | dondelelcaro | Phil2: something's wrong with that mirror; not sure what. |
| 09:01.00 | dondelelcaro | Phil2: just try agian. |
| 09:01.14 | Phil2 | tried a few mirrors dondelelcaro |
| 09:01.24 | Phil2 | .uk, .us and .fr |
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| 09:02.01 | dondelelcaro | Phil2: do you have a proxy in between you and those mirrors? |
| 09:02.07 | Phil2 | no dondelelcaro |
| 09:02.30 | dondelelcaro | Phil2: well, try again, or try one of the non-main mirrors. |
| 09:02.39 | Phil2 | ok, thanks |
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| 09:03.01 | RvGaTe | good morning freenode |
| 09:03.26 | dimir | Moin |
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| 09:04.13 | RvGaTe | i had the greatest experience with Debian etch this weekend :P i installed xfce on it, and a whole new world opened up.. haha :P |
| 09:04.35 | RvGaTe | now i just need to convince my boss in using it |
| 09:05.42 | mrspock1980 | Hi! Is there a way to prevent apt-get to install certain packages? For example: I don't want to have all the time the new kernel updates |
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| 09:06.00 | boodie | hi |
| 09:06.07 | chemaja | mrspock1980: yes, put it on hold. |
| 09:06.15 | chemaja | mrspock1980: `aptitude --help' |
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| 09:07.56 | mrspock1980 | thanks... how ever... now it refuses to update the rest, as there seams to be any stupid deps... welll.. I will unhold it again... |
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| 09:09.33 | mrspock1980 | oh! not as I thought... the hold / unhold options does not seam to have any impact to apt-get |
| 09:09.40 | mrspock1980 | whther it's hold or not... |
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| 09:11.24 | chemaja | mrspock1980: just always use aptitude |
| 09:11.36 | TolstoyInLove | did debian etch RC1 releaseed??? |
| 09:11.46 | chemaja | mrspock1980: doing a hold/unhold in apt-get means using dpkg --get-selections etc. |
| 09:11.49 | blondie | ETOOMANYQUESTIONMARKS |
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| 09:11.59 | chemaja | lol |
| 09:12.12 | chemaja | TolstoyInLove: there is no such thing. do you mean debian-installer? |
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| 09:13.05 | cydork | TolstoyInLove: read /topic ;) |
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| 09:13.24 | mrspock1980 | thanks! Now I know what to do, but still not sure If I want to do it... gotta think a little about that! |
| 09:13.37 | chemaja | mrspock1980: good luck |
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| 09:14.02 | TolstoyInLove | chemaja, what is it? |
| 09:14.19 | chemaja | TolstoyInLove: what is what |
| 09:14.29 | mrspock1980 | thx! bye! |
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| 09:14.40 | TolstoyInLove | debian installer |
| 09:14.49 | mcnaft | hi, I'm using xpdf to view pdf files, but it lacks a text tool, so I don't see any way to select text in the pdf and copy it? anyone know? |
| 09:14.49 | chemaja | TolstoyInLove: it umm... installs debian |
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| 09:15.11 | Zap-W | how to combine local users with NIS users without having to specifiy a separate homedir for each nis user in /etc/passwd file |
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| 09:15.28 | chemaja | mcnaft: i had that problem... i think there's some xpdf-utils package or something, but i couldn't be bothered so i installed kpdf :) |
| 09:15.33 | bruddah | is there a debian distro that looks as sexy as fedora core t3? This isn't trollbait, i love the look of fc6t3 but i hate red hat (personal preference) |
| 09:15.41 | cydork | mcnaft: there is evince |
| 09:15.51 | chemaja | bruddah: you know, FC6 is released... |
| 09:16.10 | plutonas | bruddah: get debian stable, and make it look like whatever you like |
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| 09:16.31 | bruddah | plutonas: good point, that requires effort tho ;) |
| 09:16.45 | TolstoyInLove | chemaja, whats defrent between debin etch betta3 and debian etch installer RC1? |
| 09:16.56 | chemaja | bruddah: you're not going to get an FC6 lookalike out-of-the-box |
| 09:17.21 | plutonas | bruddah: not very much effort |
| 09:17.27 | chemaja | TolstoyInLove: www.debian.org/doc |
| 09:17.38 | bruddah | chemaja: i don't want a lookalike its just visually stunning (gnome) anyway. stock debian gnome is .... lacking |
| 09:17.38 | holycow | why would anyone want fc6 anyway? |
| 09:17.40 | plutonas | if you use gnome, it will be already similar |
| 09:17.40 | holycow | :) |
| 09:17.50 | mcnaft | cydork: thanks |
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| 09:18.02 | plutonas | and you can find backgrounds, themes etc on the net |
| 09:18.16 | holycow | bruddah, i think you mean probably that horrid xgl stuff right? |
| 09:18.21 | bruddah | does gnome have a themes engine (for lack of a better word) |
| 09:18.22 | chemaja | bruddah: what plutonas sayd. |
| 09:18.38 | bruddah | !xgl |
| 09:18.39 | dpkg | it has been said that xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 09:18.40 | chemaja | bruddah: http://art.gnome.org |
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| 09:18.41 | holycow | if so you can probablu just enable aiglx in xorg.conf if you have nvidia vid card and binary drivers |
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| 09:19.08 | holycow | if its just a theme, you can probably poach the gnome theme from the fedora website somewhere |
| 09:19.23 | plutonas | and bruddah let me tell you a secret (the look is really the less important -once you get debian, you will start thinking about more serious things, and off course you will forget everything about fedora) |
| 09:19.42 | holycow | i agree with that |
| 09:19.43 | plutonas | chemaja: i got to debian from fedora too |
| 09:19.47 | holycow | i started out trying thousands of themes |
| 09:19.48 | bruddah | plutonas: i have debian etch. thats why i don't already have fedora installed |
| 09:19.53 | chemaja | FC6 sucks balls |
| 09:19.55 | holycow | then i got very bored very very quickly |
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| 09:20.06 | bruddah | plutonas: i just like the aesthetics of fc6 |
| 09:20.09 | chemaja | i tried to do an install with a custom package selection and i got a python backtrace in the installer |
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| 09:20.23 | chemaja | and the frikkin VC2 shell doesn't respawn in the installer. |
| 09:20.28 | chemaja | and it's as slow as hell |
| 09:20.30 | plutonas | bruddah: ok... and you want to install fedora? or another distro because of the aesthetics? |
| 09:20.40 | chemaja | and it can't unmount CDs with a space in the volume label |
| 09:20.41 | chemaja | and.. |
| 09:20.42 | chemaja | :) |
| 09:20.56 | holycow | chemaja, lol really? |
| 09:20.57 | bruddah | plutonas: i just want the eye-candy |
| 09:21.02 | holycow | sounds like they need to start using di |
| 09:21.03 | xcyborg | what is the address I can find older packages ? it was something like arhive.debian.net ? |
| 09:21.03 | holycow | >_> |
| 09:21.16 | plutonas | bruddah: do you use gnome or kde? |
| 09:21.27 | bruddah | plutonas: neither right now |
| 09:21.27 | chemaja | the only 2 good things FC has going for it is that it packages FreeNX, and vmware co-operates (ie. installs) on it, but doesn't on a fresh stock debian |
| 09:21.45 | chemaja | holycow: they really do. d-i rules. |
| 09:21.55 | plutonas | bruddah: fc uses gnome, maybe, you want to use gnome too... |
| 09:21.59 | bruddah | holycow: why do you call xgl horrid? (ive never used it before) |
| 09:22.12 | plutonas | and then take a look at gnome-look.org |
| 09:22.20 | bruddah | plutonas: thnx |
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| 09:22.21 | plutonas | or something like that |
| 09:22.27 | plutonas | maybe looks |
| 09:22.34 | chemaja | art.gnome.org ... |
| 09:22.35 | holycow | bruddah, mostly because its such a gargantuan waste of time for devs to be working on that |
| 09:22.39 | holycow | when aiglx is the future |
| 09:22.39 | plutonas | there you can find a lot of themes |
| 09:22.44 | holycow | !aiglx |
| 09:22.44 | dpkg | i guess aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 09:22.55 | plutonas | and other stuff to make gnome look exactly as you like |
| 09:23.03 | holycow | glx and that compiz crap is basically a dead end, except of course at novel |
| 09:23.14 | bruddah | holycow: do you have to have an nvidia card? |
| 09:23.23 | holycow | its all i use yep |
| 09:23.36 | bruddah | i don't think i have an nvida.. i forget lemme check |
| 09:23.40 | nst | i was trying to install tMsnC but when i perform ./configure appears: configure: error: libcrypto is required by tmsnc |
| 09:24.00 | nst | the problem is that i ready already downloaded libcrypto++-dev |
| 09:24.02 | bruddah | holycow: will it work on a tnt2? |
| 09:24.21 | chemaja | bruddah: no. |
| 09:24.27 | holycow | bruddah, i dun think so |
| 09:24.29 | chemaja | bruddah: GeForce MX ++ |
| 09:24.37 | chemaja | bruddah: i run a TNT, i should know :) |
| 09:25.03 | bruddah | damn... |
| 09:25.06 | bruddah | oh well heh |
| 09:25.18 | chemaja | bruddah: heh yeap. but on the brightside, you get to keep metacity. |
| 09:25.39 | bruddah | !metacity |
| 09:25.40 | dpkg | hmm... metacity is a lightweight, "crack free" windowmanager for gnome2 which nobody makes documentation on |
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| 09:25.48 | bruddah | crack kills |
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| 09:25.54 | holycow | nothing wrong with playing around with compiz but ... |
| 09:26.02 | dondelelcaro | nst: check config.log, and see exactly what it was trying to build against. |
| 09:26.13 | holycow | its pre alpha software to begin with |
| 09:26.31 | chemaja | there's only 1 good feature of compiz that i found --- the top-right corner hotspot that zooms out and tiles all the windows for easy window-switching. the rest is poo |
| 09:26.50 | chemaja | but the hotspot thing could be done in 2D with a smart window manager. |
| 09:26.54 | bruddah | holycow: does compiz work with tnt2? |
| 09:27.00 | chemaja | bruddah: nooooo. |
| 09:27.05 | holycow | nope |
| 09:27.09 | bruddah | dang |
| 09:27.13 | chemaja | pwnt |
| 09:27.15 | bruddah | so i can't get either... :( |
| 09:27.16 | holycow | compiz is part of glx |
| 09:27.29 | bruddah | oh gotcha |
| 09:28.18 | holycow | try to save up for an nvidia card if you can |
| 09:28.18 | holycow | i just bought a 256 meg dual head for $80 canadian |
| 09:28.18 | bruddah | tnt2 is nvidia yeah? |
| 09:28.18 | holycow | which is like $30 euro or something for those accross the pond |
| 09:28.18 | chemaja | bruddah: or get an i965, which lets you do without the binary blobs :) |
| 09:28.18 | holycow | way old bruddah |
| 09:28.29 | bruddah | gotcha. im not surprised i got this comp for like 150 bucks ;) |
| 09:28.45 | holycow | yeah nothin wrong with that at all actgually |
| 09:28.52 | holycow | i have lots of tnt cards sitting in a box |
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| 09:29.30 | bruddah | no fedora themes at art.gnome.org :( |
| 09:29.36 | bruddah | oh well |
| 09:29.37 | cableroy | i've been looking, but i can't find out how to not include kernels in a apt-get upgrade. where do i conf that? |
| 09:29.41 | bruddah | guess its manual mod time |
| 09:29.44 | holycow | well there are a lot of nice ones anyway |
| 09:29.44 | chemaja | bruddah: just mooch the rpm from fedora's ftp |
| 09:29.48 | holycow | try the fedora people |
| 09:29.53 | holycow | i'm sure they have it packaged up somewhere |
| 09:29.55 | chemaja | fedora-artwork*.rpm |
| 09:30.03 | bruddah | oh! good idea! |
| 09:30.14 | holycow | lol |
| 09:30.18 | holycow | oh shame on you |
| 09:30.19 | holycow | :) |
| 09:30.20 | chemaja | heh |
| 09:30.23 | chemaja | yes for shame |
| 09:30.30 | holycow | actually in the last little while redhat has really gotten some street cred |
| 09:30.33 | bruddah | its not that i don't like fedora... its just at the apt system is sooooooo much better than the rpm system |
| 09:30.33 | chemaja | nah it's mostly pooware, but it does have its good points |
| 09:30.39 | holycow | i'm impressed at how NON EVIL they remain |
| 09:30.55 | holycow | i'm really starting to dig the company and brand despite the fact i don't like their package management |
| 09:30.59 | bruddah | s/at/that/ |
| 09:31.01 | chemaja | bruddah: apt is to yum as dpkg is to rpm |
| 09:31.05 | nst | algm ae sabe como resolver o problema do ./configure no tmsnc? aqui diz q libcrypto is required by tmsnc |
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| 09:31.21 | chemaja | holycow: yum is pretty cool, there's some nice plugins for it |
| 09:31.28 | bruddah | so fedora guys can be like yum install package? |
| 09:31.34 | chemaja | bruddah: yep. |
| 09:31.38 | bruddah | oh... |
| 09:31.38 | holycow | chemaja, it just doesn't work :/ |
| 09:31.39 | holycow | never had |
| 09:31.40 | holycow | has |
| 09:31.43 | chemaja | heh |
| 09:31.48 | chemaja | define "work" ;) |
| 09:31.58 | holycow | work =debian |
| 09:31.59 | holycow | :) |
| 09:32.01 | chemaja | i used FC for a few months |
| 09:32.03 | chemaja | LOL |
| 09:32.12 | bruddah | i might have to download a file system image to see if i like it or not. if my gfx card doesn't support agx will it still run? |
| 09:32.14 | chemaja | i've been running debian me-love-you-longtime tho |
| 09:32.35 | chemaja | like since 2001 or something |
| 09:32.49 | chemaja | which is pretty new compared to The Ancients (TM), but meh, i'm only 25 :-D |
| 09:32.53 | holycow | i've tried everythign |
| 09:32.57 | holycow | i just need something that works |
| 09:33.14 | holycow | people tell me windows an dmac just work |
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| 09:33.25 | holycow | i keep on trying those pieces of crap and can't figure them out :) |
| 09:33.37 | chemaja | holycow: i'm starting to dig windows again... never thought i would. |
| 09:33.46 | holycow | how is that possible? |
| 09:33.48 | bruddah | im using mIRC on windows right now... i know, im a masochist ;) |
| 09:33.52 | chemaja | holycow: i... dont..... know. |
| 09:34.00 | holycow | i tried to be fair |
| 09:34.01 | chemaja | mIRC isn't too bad |
| 09:34.14 | holycow | i just ca n't wrap my mind around how something can be so poorly thought out |
| 09:34.34 | chemaja | holycow: if you dont care about security, windows is great ;) |
| 09:34.40 | holycow | i've finally figured out that when people tell me windows 'just works' they really mean them memorized the clicks |
| 09:34.48 | holycow | they haven't actually learned how to operate a computer |
| 09:35.02 | holycow | chemaja, windows requires a lobotomy to appreciate imho |
| 09:35.02 | chemaja | holycow: you could say the same thing about apt-get install, update-*, etc. |
| 09:35.09 | holycow | not really |
| 09:35.14 | holycow | everything is componetized |
| 09:35.18 | holycow | it makes perfect sense |
| 09:35.18 | bruddah | if you don't know machine code then you really don't know how to operate a computer |
| 09:35.22 | chemaja | heh |
| 09:35.22 | holycow | debian is like lego |
| 09:35.27 | holycow | everyone understands lego |
| 09:35.28 | holycow | thus |
| 09:35.32 | holycow | everyone understands debian |
| 09:35.48 | chemaja | holycow: ok here's one for you, how do i list packages by distro/component with apt? |
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| 09:36.10 | chemaja | ie. i just added BobsNew3rdPartyRepo, i want a consise list of all packages in it. |
| 09:36.12 | boodie | Well, I'm running skype on windows, and I'm calling people and receiving calls, etc. I've tried ekiga on Linux and no way I can configure it |
| 09:36.14 | holycow | not sure, never cared to do that. i'm sure i could write something to sift through that |
| 09:36.22 | holycow | i'm not even sure what the question means |
| 09:36.27 | chemaja | and no, i'm not allowed to look in /var/{cache,lib} :) |
| 09:36.49 | holycow | sounds like a patch for apt, what I WOULD DO is hire the apt coders to write that patch |
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| 09:36.52 | holycow | *cough* |
| 09:36.53 | chemaja | holycow: i think dlocate has something... |
| 09:37.07 | holycow | just because it doesn't exist doesn't mean its not logical |
| 09:37.14 | chemaja | i always get bored and go discover something else :) |
| 09:37.30 | holycow | ah you must be a gentoo user at heart then |
| 09:37.31 | holycow | :) |
| 09:37.36 | holycow | endless discovering |
| 09:37.39 | chemaja | heh probably |
| 09:37.44 | chemaja | i'm a bit of a fool |
| 09:37.47 | holycow | usually of the 'oops' and 'uhoh' kind |
| 09:37.48 | holycow | :) |
| 09:37.53 | boodie | when programs run on linux they usually run better and even faster, problem is, the configurations are, most of the times, beyond the average user capabilities |
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| 09:38.10 | chemaja | boodie: nice. |
| 09:38.19 | holycow | boodie, not true |
| 09:38.41 | holycow | boodie, i have a fairly large pilot project with linux desktops and we have found something interesting |
| 09:38.53 | boodie | aha? |
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| 09:38.57 | chemaja | holycow: KDE pwnz? ;-) |
| 09:39.02 | holycow | people don't learn 'how to use computers' say like a mechaninc learns how to use different tools in different ways |
| 09:39.12 | holycow | people actually memorize menu items |
| 09:39.22 | holycow | they litterally memorize the size and position of the icon |
| 09:39.25 | holycow | they don't even read icons |
| 09:39.34 | holycow | they memorize its colour and visual attributes |
| 09:39.42 | holycow | you modify a single attribute and they can't find it any more |
| 09:39.46 | holycow | if you turn that around |
| 09:40.01 | holycow | what people have been conditioned to do is antithetical to using something like linux |
| 09:40.09 | holycow | where you haveto sit back and think about how to solve a problem |
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| 09:40.31 | holycow | reading a config file with nano is no more difficult than memorizing open office icons, its just a different skillset |
| 09:40.36 | holycow | one people are not even aware exists |
| 09:40.38 | chemaja | i must say that in my 2-3 years of freenoding, the #debian channel seems to have the most intellegent people :) |
| 09:40.39 | bruddah | holycow: thinking hurts man |
| 09:40.57 | bruddah | chemaja: because the most intelligent people choose debian ;) |
| 09:40.57 | holycow | bruddah, not really, its like any excercise |
| 09:41.00 | holycow | hurts at first |
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| 09:41.07 | tarzeau | chemaja: i disagree, it just has the most people |
| 09:41.09 | holycow | then you gain the muscle mass to handle the workload |
| 09:41.11 | plutonas | holycow: what's the editor of your choice? |
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| 09:41.17 | boodie | Well this is the whole windows and icons concept - we know that most of the times a textual shell approach is faster and more efficient |
| 09:41.17 | tarzeau | chemaja: and that there are a few intelligent ones is normal |
| 09:41.21 | holycow | plutonas, nano, i don't do a lot of coding |
| 09:41.25 | bruddah | plutonas: vim 0wners ;) |
| 09:41.36 | chemaja | tarzeau: i especially love how anal they get in here :) |
| 09:41.42 | chemaja | reminds me of ... me |
| 09:41.42 | tarzeau | chemaja: haha |
| 09:41.53 | holycow | boodie, thats one of the strange things we have discovered as well |
| 09:42.06 | holycow | boodie, explain to people that shell is very easy and fast and they will resist it like the plague |
| 09:42.10 | chemaja | vim and emacs are goddamed hard |
| 09:42.15 | bruddah | boodie: but icons are so purty! (im right brained) |
| 09:42.28 | plutonas | chemaja: i disagree |
| 09:42.30 | tarzeau | holycow: is your results publicly available on a webpage? |
| 09:42.37 | holycow | boodie, i haven't figured out a way to get people to actually like the shell and understand its power but then i think that is probably a function of time spent at the system |
| 09:42.43 | tarzeau | chemaja: not if you use emacs.app |
| 09:42.44 | holycow | tarzeau, not yet no |
| 09:42.47 | chemaja | plutonas: i use vim daily, but yea i still suck balls at it |
| 09:42.52 | chemaja | tarzeau: orly |
| 09:42.53 | tarzeau | holycow: can i get an email when it is? |
| 09:43.03 | chemaja | tarzeau: is that an openstep thingy |
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| 09:43.09 | tarzeau | chemaja: yes |
| 09:43.17 | plutonas | i was a year long vi user, which in a bit hard, but if you want to do stuff that nano does, its easy |
| 09:43.18 | tarzeau | chemaja: well it also exists for gnustep and debian |
| 09:43.25 | holycow | i'll probably put up a website dedicated to this sort of thing we are too busy to develop that just yet ... :/ |
| 09:43.35 | plutonas | and now i started using emacs, which is easier |
| 09:43.50 | boodie | but take my wife: she considers tha computer equivalent to a washing machine: she puts dirty washing in, she wants it clean to come out, by pressing few keys. She is not interested in the mechanics and the hydraulics of the equipment |
| 09:43.53 | plutonas | but i think more powerfull too |
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| 09:44.06 | bruddah | plutonas: why use an operating system to edit text? ;) |
| 09:44.27 | chemaja | tarzeau: cool, i'll check it out. i noticed that emacs doesn't have a texinfo page anymore.. |
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| 09:44.43 | tarzeau | chemaja: many years ago: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/emacs.png , today: http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/emacs.app.png |
| 09:44.43 | chemaja | oh crap, time to go, my friend is coming around in 10 and i'm SNIFOTC |
| 09:44.48 | plutonas | bruddah: it's not really an operating system, and i don't use only for editing text |
| 09:44.50 | bruddah | boodie: thats a good analagy [sic] |
| 09:44.54 | TraceGreen | Hello, Can i create a hide partition area in linux? |
| 09:45.00 | plutonas | but for reading documentation |
| 09:45.09 | bruddah | plutonas: i was joking |
| 09:45.09 | plutonas | hacking in lisp with slime... |
| 09:45.21 | plutonas | at least trying to |
| 09:45.24 | tarzeau | chemaja: here's my package (it's also on the livecd.gnustep.org). you'll need to rebuild it: http://gnu.ethz.ch/repository/emacs/ |
| 09:45.40 | holycow | boodie, that right there is the cause of about 98% of all computer user related frustrations |
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| 09:45.48 | holycow | boodie, they fundamentally misunderstand computers |
| 09:45.53 | holycow | they want them to be like toasters |
| 09:46.04 | holycow | except when yo utry to sell them a toaster like device they don't want to pay for it |
| 09:46.12 | holycow | infact |
| 09:46.13 | tarzeau | holycow: like they want buttons for every task they do? |
| 09:46.20 | holycow | that is 100% the reason windows sucks ass |
| 09:46.22 | chemaja | tarzeau: thanks. gotta go, ttyl |
| 09:46.25 | holycow | ms just gave the user what they wanted |
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| 09:46.27 | holycow | a piece of crap |
| 09:46.39 | holycow | tarzeau, yep pretty much it for our users too |
| 09:46.39 | tarzeau | holycow: but apple did it better with mac os x? |
| 09:46.53 | tarzeau | holycow: what kind of users do you have, how many on what systems? |
| 09:47.08 | holycow | tarzeau, 200, regular secratary level and below users |
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| 09:47.13 | bruddah | http://72.253.6.203/screen.png <--- is that sexy? |
| 09:47.15 | holycow | 200 systems i mean |
| 09:47.24 | concept10 | How do I determine the UUID of a partition? |
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| 09:47.35 | tarzeau | bruddah: no, it's very cumbersome and ugly |
| 09:48.00 | bruddah | tarzeau: really? :( |
| 09:48.06 | holycow | lol |
| 09:48.08 | holycow | i don't like it either |
| 09:48.09 | tarzeau | holycow: you could play with them, like: https://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats/ |
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| 09:48.11 | tarzeau | bruddah: yes really |
| 09:48.19 | bruddah | oh. whats wrong with it? |
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| 09:48.30 | tarzeau | bruddah: it feels like windows |
| 09:48.35 | holycow | bruddah, well to me its kinda ugly first of all |
| 09:48.39 | holycow | second its just a theme |
| 09:48.44 | holycow | lots of nicer themes on art.gnome.org |
| 09:48.48 | ax7 | no |
| 09:48.51 | bruddah | it IS windows heh |
| 09:48.54 | tarzeau | as holycow said: is 100% the reason windows sucks ass |
| 09:48.56 | holycow | the wallpaper is overbearing to my eye, it demands to be stared at |
| 09:49.14 | bruddah | holycow: thats precisely why i got it heh |
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| 09:49.35 | bruddah | thats the fedora one i was talking about |
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| 09:49.45 | holycow | bruddah, well i'm not suggesting my tastes are anything to speak of :) |
| 09:49.52 | tarzeau | holycow, bruddah: how do you like: http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/ladder.png |
| 09:49.58 | holycow | bruddah, if you like bling yeah totally cool |
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| 09:50.18 | bruddah | holycow: ok yeah i guess why just have different preferences. i luv da bling ;) |
| 09:50.26 | holycow | tarzeau, thats a neat .ch link dude :) |
| 09:50.29 | holycow | i like that |
| 09:50.34 | Phil2 | dondelelcaro: it's working now, thanks |
| 09:51.07 | tarzeau | holycow: 100 mbit, universitary link :) |
| 09:51.23 | tarzeau | holycow: served by debian gnu/kfreebsd #gnu-kbsd |
| 09:51.35 | bruddah | tarzeau: woah that was like a flashback to 1996 |
| 09:51.45 | holycow | tarzeau, sweet :) |
| 09:51.59 | tarzeau | bruddah: i want work get done. if i want to play, i've got a wife |
| 09:52.09 | holycow | heh |
| 09:52.10 | bruddah | haha |
| 09:52.13 | tarzeau | bruddah: but obviously some people like to play with computers |
| 09:52.21 | bruddah | tarzeau: BURN! |
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| 09:52.35 | bruddah | heh |
| 09:52.49 | bruddah | is that ladders game for work? |
| 09:52.55 | tarzeau | hehe :) |
| 09:53.01 | tarzeau | damn |
| 09:53.41 | boodie | Well, a car, can at the same time be used for work or for taking you to the beach ... but it's still a car |
| 09:54.00 | bruddah | i walk to the beach, its like a block away |
| 09:54.00 | tarzeau | boodie: how many people theme their car? |
| 09:54.09 | blondie | cars suck |
| 09:54.09 | bruddah | tarzeau: a lot of people do here |
| 09:54.12 | tarzeau | boodie: does it run better if it looks fancy? |
| 09:54.24 | tarzeau | bruddah: but it's still a car, and it won't drive faster |
| 09:54.34 | bruddah | tarzeau: bumper stickers add horsepower dude, common known fact |
| 09:54.36 | tarzeau | so whatever motor/engine you insert, it's the same |
| 09:54.57 | tarzeau | whatever you have, gnome, kde, windows or mac os x, it'll be just that |
| 09:55.24 | cydork | blondie: you cant drive! can you? |
| 09:55.36 | boodie | I think that linux would be great in a work environment, less so at home |
| 09:56.00 | bruddah | i wish source code was like DNA you could mix it together and get sweet stuff. duckbilled platypus OS beotch! |
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| 09:56.44 | blondie | cydork: nope, wouldn't want to |
| 09:57.12 | concept10 | How do I determine if a _swap_ partition is being used after turning it on? free and top still reports nothing. Does this mean i am unsuccessful with the mount? |
| 09:57.16 | bruddah | blondie: are you a ralph nader fan? |
| 09:57.24 | blondie | never heard of them |
| 09:57.28 | tarzeau | boodie: it's just a modern unix |
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| 09:57.44 | zimnyx | I forgot package name, maybe someone does remember: this was for bandwidth shaping, and i was using it like: $theshaper someapp |
| 09:57.47 | tarzeau | boodie: and missing many graphical powerful software (that you get with mac os x0 |
| 09:57.57 | holycow | boodie, depends on the requirements of each environment |
| 09:57.58 | bruddah | concept10: if it shows up in free then it should be installed. maybe you don't have enough running for it to use swap yet? |
| 09:58.09 | tarzeau | concept10: free -m will tell you |
| 09:58.10 | cydork | blondie: hehe :) |
| 09:58.12 | blondie | much nicer than windows |
| 09:58.13 | holycow | we are able to use linux at work and at home environment for a lot of stuff |
| 09:58.17 | tarzeau | concept10: if it has a Swap line, you've got it, otherwise not |
| 09:58.21 | boodie | I work for a large corporation - there would be lots of benefits in linux, but the management has balls only to squeeze and bully small employees, not to undertake strong moves |
| 09:58.33 | holycow | the kids that want high end games are suggested to get consoles which really solves a huge set of problems even for windows users |
| 09:58.38 | bruddah | i don't even get to use a computer at work :( |
| 09:58.49 | concept10 | Still shows 0 with free after mounting with swapon -a. Firefox is open so something should be in the swap |
| 09:58.55 | tarzeau | boodie: it's best if you have specific tasks that you can solve simple and painless |
| 09:59.08 | tarzeau | boodie: that's when you can put linux or debian somewhere and remove something else |
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| 09:59.20 | tarzeau | concept10: do you have a line with Swap in it? |
| 09:59.22 | bruddah | concept10: not necessarily, it usually waits for your real ram to get full before it pus anything in swap |
| 09:59.25 | tarzeau | concept10: when you say free -m? |
| 09:59.31 | bruddah | s/pus/puts/ |
| 10:00.06 | concept10 | it says total 0 used 0 free 0 |
| 10:00.15 | tarzeau | concept10: so that means you've got no swap |
| 10:00.22 | bruddah | oH! 0 free? |
| 10:00.29 | bruddah | yeah what tarzeau said |
| 10:00.31 | concept10 | No enabled or not used? tarzeau |
| 10:00.39 | tarzeau | concept10: not enabled and not used |
| 10:00.46 | concept10 | Crap! |
| 10:00.49 | tarzeau | concept10: but it's probably still existing |
| 10:00.52 | tarzeau | concept10: what do you want to do? |
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| 10:01.03 | bruddah | concept10: how big is your swapfile? |
| 10:01.10 | tarzeau | bruddah: he said partition |
| 10:01.18 | tarzeau | concept10: i use dphys-swapfile |
| 10:01.25 | bruddah | tarzeau: don't you need a filesystem inside the partition? |
| 10:01.32 | tarzeau | bruddah: no |
| 10:01.35 | bruddah | oh... |
| 10:01.39 | tarzeau | bruddah: and you can have a swapfile on a filesystem |
| 10:01.40 | concept10 | is that a swap file manager? |
| 10:02.01 | tarzeau | concept10: it creates a swapfile of the size memory*2 (max 2gb) and you can set it to be something else if you don't like this |
| 10:02.08 | bruddah | tarzeau: i meant file system image by file system |
| 10:02.33 | tarzeau | concept10: you can try apt-cache show package to find out more about packages |
| 10:02.54 | bruddah | concept10: or msg dpkg |
| 10:03.00 | boodie | Let's suppose a very centralized IT dept (which we have), and hundreds of terminals with OO, evolution etc.; the programs can be installed and configured centrally. Instead we have win, and every user tampoers the pc with screensavers, cats walking across the screen and various crap alike. The IT is overloaded with cleansing the pc's fromn the rubbish, virus alerts, but when you need a database designed, they have no time |
| 10:03.07 | concept10 | My swap has never been enabled since I installed this system. Its in fstab and it will not mount. I have been ignoring it, but when I open something large, my system gets to the point were it is accessing toooo much disk |
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| 10:03.24 | tarzeau | boodie: centrally installed software doesn't scale well |
| 10:03.45 | concept10 | For example, On accident I opened 40 instances of File roller. It sent the system to a crawl |
| 10:03.56 | tarzeau | boodie: we also have hundreds of computers, and they are all automatically administred (install+software updates) |
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| 10:03.59 | concept10 | I think that is because my swap isnt working properly |
| 10:04.15 | tarzeau | boodie: we also have the same with windows and mac os x |
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| 10:04.55 | tarzeau | concept10: why don't you just enable some swap? |
| 10:05.01 | boodie | Well, what we need is office application, a backup system, and ok, we use ipass for remote logins |
| 10:05.02 | tarzeau | concept10: or insert more memory? |
| 10:05.18 | bruddah | !ipass |
| 10:05.22 | tarzeau | boodie: well, there's no serious office application for linux |
| 10:05.30 | concept10 | tarzeau, I tried.. with no success. Maybe I need to delete those partitions and start over |
| 10:05.30 | holycow | we have found that when we install linux workstations our call rates litterally go down to 0 for those users after about 2 weeks of introduction to the system |
| 10:05.40 | bruddah | tarzeau: open office? |
| 10:05.49 | tarzeau | concept10: did you create the partition? did you mkswap ? |
| 10:05.55 | holycow | tarzeau, open office is A VERY serious applicatio |
| 10:05.57 | tarzeau | bruddah: you must be kidding me, that's crap software |
| 10:05.59 | holycow | we just finished our oo testing |
| 10:06.00 | concept10 | holycow, thats because users do not know how to install shit |
| 10:06.03 | tarzeau | holycow: biggest shit i've ever seen |
| 10:06.05 | holycow | it just kills ms office hands down |
| 10:06.13 | holycow | especially for very very large documents |
| 10:06.14 | tarzeau | holycow: same shit, nothing else |
| 10:06.23 | tarzeau | holycow: bullshit |
| 10:06.36 | holycow | tarzeau, no bullshit at all |
| 10:06.38 | holycow | i wish it was |
| 10:06.42 | tarzeau | holycow: fonts look different on different computers, prints look different |
| 10:06.42 | holycow | it was a surprise to us too |
| 10:06.51 | tarzeau | holycow: it's just not usable in any office |
| 10:06.53 | holycow | we regularly make 400 - 1200 page documents |
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| 10:06.57 | holycow | its a breeze in oo |
| 10:07.01 | concept10 | tarzeau, Im talking about the default swap that was created during install. It never mounts. I was saying maybe I need to erase those and start over |
| 10:07.06 | tarzeau | holycow: we do the same, with LaTeX |
| 10:07.10 | holycow | tarzeau, fonts arent a problem for us |
| 10:07.15 | holycow | yeah we would never use latex |
| 10:07.16 | tarzeau | holycow: it is for us |
| 10:07.23 | holycow | its a waste of time for anyone not computer saavy |
| 10:07.31 | holycow | tarzeau, i understand you don't believe me thats fine |
| 10:07.35 | tarzeau | holycow: what documents do you write? text only? |
| 10:07.37 | holycow | i'm just telling you, our users love oo |
| 10:07.41 | holycow | it really is a fantastic application |
| 10:07.54 | tarzeau | no, it's not a fantastic application |
| 10:07.57 | bruddah | everytime i hear LaTeX i think of BDSM pr0n.... thats probably a personal problem though |
| 10:07.59 | holycow | it looks like it will replace our need for a few adobe products and publisher too once we get our templates done |
| 10:08.09 | holycow | tarzeau, your right its an amazing application |
| 10:08.11 | holycow | we love it |
| 10:08.11 | concept10 | OOo is nice enough for anyone to get work done. If you cant get it done with OO you are bullshitting yourself |
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| 10:08.33 | tarzeau | it's for small letters without graphics |
| 10:08.41 | holycow | eh no |
| 10:08.42 | tarzeau | any other use is just rape and pain |
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| 10:08.49 | holycow | tarzeau, let me know when you are in vancouver next time |
| 10:08.52 | holycow | i can show yo u:) |
| 10:08.52 | concept10 | who needs graphics |
| 10:09.03 | bruddah | holycow: vancouver BC or washington state? |
| 10:09.07 | holycow | bc |
| 10:09.13 | tarzeau | concept10: who needs openoffice then? |
| 10:09.15 | bruddah | freakin canadians ;) j/k |
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| 10:09.23 | tarzeau | concept10: i can write text only documents with any editor |
| 10:09.28 | tarzeau | much faster even |
| 10:09.29 | holycow | :) gawdamned americans :) |
| 10:09.40 | holycow | tarzeau, your not an average user |
| 10:09.44 | holycow | average users cannot use latex |
| 10:09.48 | tarzeau | i never said i was |
| 10:09.49 | bruddah | holycow: i live in hawaii, brah we don't consider ourselves part of that country ;) |
| 10:09.51 | holycow | not ours anyway |
| 10:09.58 | holycow | bruddah, lol :) right on! |
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| 10:10.04 | concept10 | bruddah, what part of hi? |
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| 10:10.10 | weggpod | hy all |
| 10:10.19 | bruddah | concept10: Maui |
| 10:10.28 | tarzeau | an average user can't take debian stable and replace the stone age kernel with something newer either, to have it installed on his computer bought this year |
| 10:10.37 | concept10 | ahhh.. Maui. |
| 10:10.41 | bruddah | Maui stey Na Ka Oi bruddah! |
| 10:10.48 | bruddah | s/Na/No/ |
| 10:10.52 | concept10 | bruddah, is that one club still in Maui? |
| 10:11.14 | bruddah | concept10: that one club? you know how many clubs we got here? be more specific |
| 10:11.31 | holycow | tarzeau, we jus tlove it. we had our policy analyst just do our 600 page corporate policy manual done on oo |
| 10:11.43 | holycow | she now swears up and down at never again using msoff |
| 10:11.48 | concept10 | bruddah, I cant remember the name. Its in umm Lahania (?) |
| 10:11.53 | holycow | appearently oo is gods gift to humans according to her |
| 10:11.54 | holycow | :) |
| 10:12.02 | Guerin | holycow: a 600-page document in openoffice? |
| 10:12.08 | holycow | i don't quite believe her but the damned thing really works great |
| 10:12.08 | tarzeau | holycow: can she cook? |
| 10:12.11 | holycow | Guerin, yep! |
| 10:12.12 | bruddah | concept10: most of the clubs are in lahaina. is it a bar? |
| 10:12.16 | Guerin | holycow: the pain! |
| 10:12.17 | holycow | tarzeau, lol |
| 10:12.21 | holycow | Guerin, not at all |
| 10:12.24 | holycow | ist soooooo easy |
| 10:12.27 | holycow | master subdocuments |
| 10:12.28 | Guerin | a document like that is *worth* learning latex for |
| 10:12.36 | holycow | no not at all |
| 10:12.42 | holycow | its swiss cheeze in oo |
| 10:12.55 | bruddah | holycow: isn't swiss cheeze full of holes? |
| 10:12.56 | tarzeau | holycow: do they ever print their documents? or exchange them with different people? |
| 10:12.58 | concept10 | bruddah, its a club. its all upstairs. IIRC... we had a big bar fight there, it was fun |
| 10:13.01 | tarzeau | holycow: oo2 or 1.x? |
| 10:13.09 | tarzeau | bruddah: not all cheese, just some |
| 10:13.21 | holycow | tarzeau, all the time, oo2, pdf out to everyone, for collaboration everyone must have oo installed |
| 10:13.22 | bruddah | tarzeau: good point |
| 10:13.29 | holycow | because everything is a master/subdocument |
| 10:13.35 | holycow | she only sends out the parts the user needs |
| 10:13.35 | tarzeau | holycow: point is you can't edit pdf |
| 10:13.39 | bruddah | concept10: moose McGillacuddy's? |
| 10:13.43 | holycow | merges the docs into master document on retreival |
| 10:13.51 | holycow | tarzeau, thank you capn obvious :) |
| 10:14.09 | holycow | tarzeau, i'm not trying to chang eyour mind btw. i'm simply stating the result of our experience. |
| 10:14.12 | holycow | take it for what you will |
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| 10:14.28 | ma3x | what was the name of the famous program for editing images in linux? |
| 10:14.35 | Guerin | bruddah: there was a bar in my home town called that |
| 10:14.41 | holycow | ma3x, gimp |
| 10:14.41 | Guerin | ma3x: gimp? |
| 10:14.42 | bruddah | ma3x: gimp? |
| 10:14.46 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:14.47 | bruddah | LOL |
| 10:14.47 | concept10 | bruddah, no, not moose's , I cant remember, but i know McGillacuddy's, I lived in Pearl Harbor for close to 4 years |
| 10:15.08 | bruddah | concept10: navy? |
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| 10:15.47 | concept10 | How did you guess :) (I know the "bruddahs" hate the Navy..hehe) |
| 10:16.14 | Guerin | holycow: i've relearned latex for my thesis next year, because working in an office program was just too much work |
| 10:16.19 | ma3x | thanks |
| 10:16.27 | bruddah | freakin haole come fo our place, we bus you up cuz! ;) |
| 10:16.41 | concept10 | heh |
| 10:16.55 | ma3x | I have a few jpg pictures, I need to convert them to bmp, pdf, various formats.... |
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| 10:16.59 | ma3x | will gimp do that? |
| 10:17.04 | Guerin | manual style and layout management ... useless contents/index/citation/bibliography management |
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| 10:17.14 | holycow | Guerin, for technical people, i agree latex is probably the right way to do it |
| 10:17.15 | Guerin | ma3x: yes. |
| 10:17.24 | Guerin | holycow: i'm not a technical person. |
| 10:17.31 | boodie | Well, I use Office at work (I'm forced to), sometimes I work at home and use OO to work on the same files (.doc and .xls) - never experienced problems. Of course the menus are different, in a minor way. In fact most needs are primitive (letters or simple docs, flat lists in a spreadsheet format). What I can't do is use Access on Linux: the alternative is MySQL which is alrready a totally professional DB ... |
| 10:17.32 | holycow | i'm just pointing out that people discount oo faaar too quickly |
| 10:17.33 | Guerin | holycow: i'm doing political science, ffs |
| 10:17.36 | concept10 | bruddah, im glad im online at the moment :) |
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| 10:17.41 | holycow | Guerin, your in #debian bro |
| 10:17.46 | holycow | :) seriously |
| 10:17.57 | holycow | you actually know what irc is then you figured out how to get in #debian |
| 10:17.59 | holycow | and god knows why :) |
| 10:18.00 | holycow | lol |
| 10:18.11 | Guerin | but man |
| 10:18.16 | Anarka | because #debian has free cake! |
| 10:18.28 | Guerin | the pain of a 600-page document in a 'productivity' program |
| 10:18.38 | holycow | yeah no you completely DO NOT understand oo |
| 10:18.40 | holycow | seriously |
| 10:18.46 | holycow | everything in oo is a style |
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| 10:18.50 | bruddah | concept10: why? |
| 10:18.50 | concept10 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haole |
| 10:18.52 | holycow | it really is a frickin kick to use |
| 10:19.02 | Guerin | holycow: i've used it a fair bit |
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| 10:19.23 | Guerin | but having to manually set things to the style you want ... major pain in the arse |
| 10:19.23 | concept10 | bruddah, j/k, that was amusing to say the least |
| 10:19.35 | holycow | Guerin, infact the only thing we want to see is a visual of the style markup |
| 10:19.39 | bruddah | concept: oh you mean da kine pidgin? |
| 10:19.59 | holycow | would be nice to know where the style begins and ends visually like with an latexy kinda deal |
| 10:20.00 | Guerin | holycow: eh? |
| 10:20.00 | holycow | :) |
| 10:20.00 | Guerin | right |
| 10:20.00 | Guerin | yes, |
| 10:20.13 | Guerin | holycow: the main thing with styles is that they're not compulsory |
| 10:20.18 | bruddah | the word latexy sounds so kinky |
| 10:20.32 | concept10 | bruddah, I never heard of haole before you said it |
| 10:20.43 | Dewi | Guerin: there's no such thing as a non-technical latex user |
| 10:20.48 | bruddah | concept10: really? and you lived in ahwaii for 4 years? |
| 10:21.07 | Dewi | Guerin: embrace your geekdom |
| 10:21.10 | bruddah | they really don't speak pidgin on oahu though |
| 10:21.13 | Guerin | holycow: i.e: when you go to make a heading, it doesn't *have* to be a heading, semantically and stylistically speaking. It can be (and is, unless the author is very much onto it) just normal text with 24-point sans and bold |
| 10:21.17 | bruddah | mostly maui and the big island |
| 10:21.48 | Guerin | Dewi: i thought he was meaning the content I was using it for was technical, as in ingineering or maths or such |
| 10:21.52 | holycow | Dewi, lol |
| 10:22.04 | holycow | Guerin, hey no doubt latex is the way to go indeed |
| 10:22.23 | Dewi | Guerin: heh. Well, it is possible to use both Office and OpenOffice "properly", but I don't know anyone apart from me who *always* uses styles |
| 10:22.25 | concept10 | bruddah, Yep. I guess most of my friends were in the Navy, I knew many locals though. And also knew many people from many other countries including Japan, Australia and Canada. They love Hawaii |
| 10:22.31 | DimmuR | Dewi: there is non-technical latex user - my brother just use it as normal editor |
| 10:23.06 | Guerin | Dewi: i find that the stock builtin styles are so useless, if I want to get anything using them I need to spend hours fixing them all |
| 10:23.07 | bruddah | concept10: i was in the navy too brah. fuck the navy! :) |
| 10:23.14 | Guerin | and there's such an unnecessary proliferation |
| 10:23.25 | Guerin | Dewi: latex isn't an editor |
| 10:23.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:23.27 | Dewi | Guerin: there certainly aren't many useful ones; so many crap ones |
| 10:23.32 | Guerin | DimmuR: latex isn't an editor |
| 10:23.40 | holycow | Dewi, we are teaching all our users about styles |
| 10:23.44 | bruddah | concept10: what rate were you? |
| 10:23.51 | concept10 | bruddah, really? heh. what was your last assignment |
| 10:23.51 | holycow | Dewi, or plan on to we have a core group that have tought them selves |
| 10:23.55 | Guerin | holycow: first step: get rid of 90% of them |
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| 10:24.00 | holycow | or actually i tought the 1 main user she tought the other ones |
| 10:24.11 | Dewi | holycow: it won't work unless you whip them with actual whips |
| 10:24.19 | bruddah | concept10: USS Abraham Lincoln, everett washington |
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| 10:24.21 | DimmuR | Guerin: i know what latex is - i was thinking rather about its function - my brother use it to make text based documents so i shortly called it as editor. |
| 10:24.25 | holycow | lol naw it will work you just gotta know how |
| 10:24.27 | Guerin | Dewi: not just bits of string that look like whips |
| 10:24.36 | concept10 | bruddah, i got out as a GSE1 |
| 10:24.41 | boodie | I think that nowadays work environments are way too frenzied to let anybody sit and think. Of course a system can be set better with a DBRMS and XML interaction, using smarter approaches like LaTeX, but corporate decision makers are just greedy ... so in the end the quick and dirty way is always preferred (Bill Gates knows it only too well) ... |
| 10:24.41 | Guerin | holycow: fascist document audits |
| 10:24.43 | DimmuR | Guerin: i'm using latex for few years since i'm mathematician |
| 10:24.45 | holycow | they may be stupids but you cant understimate them, they surprise me a lot |
| 10:24.54 | Dewi | holycow: this isn't a technical thing; I'm talking about users. You can't make users style things consistently unless you really punish them. |
| 10:24.57 | holycow | infact if you treat them like stupids they will behave like stupids |
| 10:25.05 | Guerin | DimmuR: then why on earth would you think it's an editor? |
| 10:25.06 | holycow | treat them with respect and some remarkeable things happen |
| 10:25.12 | Dewi | holycow: hahaha. |
| 10:25.13 | bruddah | concept10: i was an ET3 then got downed to a ETSN, then got kicked out :) |
| 10:25.16 | holycow | Dewi, oh you can actually |
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| 10:25.18 | Guerin | holycow: where do you work? |
| 10:25.28 | holycow | what we are doing is deploying a whole shitload of templates |
| 10:25.36 | vaq | Hello, ain't it possible to predefine a password with scp? I tried piping it but it doesnt work. |
| 10:25.40 | DimmuR | Guerin: when you use tools like kile and write much documents and forget that you need to write |
| 10:25.47 | holycow | users actually don't want to style anything but THEY DO want to have a tempalte that does it for them ore or less |
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| 10:25.58 | DimmuR | latx commands (i'ts natural) you think of it as editor |
| 10:26.00 | concept10 | bruddah, I wish I did a carrier. I wanted to get some at-sea-pussy |
| 10:26.07 | Guerin | holycow: actual templates with [click here to enter stuff] fields, or just partially-cooked documents? |
| 10:26.20 | holycow | Guerin, medium sized company that runs social programs for the government |
| 10:26.24 | concept10 | bruddah, then i would have gotten out as a gsefn :) |
| 10:26.24 | holycow | no |
| 10:26.35 | utrrrongeeb | Is it possible to use Windows ttf fonts in Debian? |
| 10:26.36 | holycow | just regular documents containing all our default corporate style guides |
| 10:26.40 | ma3x | Guerin: how do I create pdf from the jpg picture? |
| 10:26.42 | Guerin | utrrrongeeb: yes. |
| 10:26.44 | DimmuR | utrrrongeeb: yes |
| 10:26.55 | holycow | meaning you hit f11 and you use the stylesheet presented to you with the template |
| 10:26.57 | Cicci0 | hi all... I deleted my /etc/mysql config dir, how I can recover it via apt? (a default mysql/my.cnf is perfect to me)... |
| 10:27.03 | bruddah | concept10: navy pussy is nasty brah |
| 10:27.04 | Guerin | ma3x: dunno. Know it's possible, though. Can't see why you'd want to. |
| 10:27.07 | Guerin | holycow: nice. |
| 10:27.12 | holycow | of course because we are working on switching all our desktops to linux deploying style sheets is a breeze |
| 10:27.19 | Cicci0 | tried removing mysql and apt-getting again but my.cnf didn't come back.. |
| 10:27.27 | utrrrongeeb | Guerin,DimmuR: Thanks, what do I run to edit font paths? (or what config file?) |
| 10:27.28 | DimmuR | Cicci0 you can use apt-get install --reinstall |
| 10:27.30 | ma3x | Guerin: cause the person I'm sending to, can't open the jpg. it doesn't recognize the format |
| 10:27.35 | Cicci0 | tryin... |
| 10:27.38 | Dewi | Cicci0: that sounds unlikely. does it work? |
| 10:27.39 | vaq | Hello, ain't it possible to predefine a password with scp? I tried piping it but it doesnt work. |
| 10:27.41 | ma3x | Guerin: so I'm creating various formats now |
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| 10:27.52 | DimmuR | utrrrongeeb: install msttcorefonts |
| 10:28.03 | Guerin | utrrrongeeb: there's a font howto ... but the basic story is put them in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ and run some commands |
| 10:28.10 | Guerin | utrrrongeeb: fc-cache and something else |
| 10:28.14 | Guerin | utrrrongeeb: google knows |
| 10:28.16 | DimmuR | Cicci0: then just unpack .deb archive and the config is there |
| 10:28.23 | Dewi | Cicci0: unfortunately --reinstall probably won't do anything that removing and installing didn't. Perhaps try purging when you remove? |
| 10:28.25 | concept10 | Are msttcorefont s patented? |
| 10:28.29 | Guerin | vaq: no. |
| 10:28.42 | Guerin | vaq: if you want unattended ssh, google those two words |
| 10:28.51 | C0sm0p0lit4n | hi all .. sorry for my english but i have a big problem with dos an ddos attack i need a good firewall anybody can help me please !! thks |
| 10:29.05 | bruddah | iptables? |
| 10:29.05 | Guerin | concept10: fonts can't be patented, since they're not a method |
| 10:29.14 | C0sm0p0lit4n | i have but is not sufficient |
| 10:29.23 | evad | A per machine firewall will not stop a ddos attack... |
| 10:29.29 | concept10 | Guerin, oh, but copywritten |
| 10:29.30 | Cicci0 | I'd like to understand better apt... when I install something when it decides to put some /etc files and when to not? |
| 10:29.44 | Guerin | concept10: like anything, they are subject to copyright |
| 10:29.47 | C0sm0p0lit4n | any link for see ? and i will try install |
| 10:29.52 | bruddah | Guerin: but don't fonts consist of images, and can't _those_ be patented? |
| 10:29.55 | Dewi | C0sm0p0lit4n: iptables makes you do all the work yourself, of course. Personally I let shorewall write my iptables rules for me. |
| 10:29.55 | C0sm0p0lit4n | i have that in my server debian |
| 10:29.56 | Cicci0 | why reinstalling mysql-server (just did now) didn't reinstalled also original etc files? |
| 10:30.03 | Guerin | and it's copyrighted,. not copywritten. the orioginal word isn't copywrite |
| 10:30.12 | Guerin | bruddah: nope. |
| 10:30.20 | bruddah | Guerin: why not? |
| 10:30.21 | petemc | Cicci0: you removed them, dpkg assumed you wanted them to stay removed |
| 10:30.23 | Phated | bruddah: You can trademark and copyright an image. you cannot patent it. |
| 10:30.26 | C0sm0p0lit4n | mod_auth_passthrough/1.8 mod_bwlimited/1.4 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_ssl/ debian apache 1.3.37 |
| 10:30.32 | petemc | Cicci0: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 10:30.33 | utrrrongeeb | Guerin,bruddah: Even if they are, I'll just create a bunch of symlinks. |
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| 10:30.35 | Phated | An image is a -work-, not a process. |
| 10:30.41 | Guerin | bruddah: a patent is given on an implementation of some idea |
| 10:30.43 | bruddah | Phated: oh yeah i guess you're right i was thinking trademark in my head |
| 10:30.52 | Guerin | bruddah: a picture isn't an implementation of anything |
| 10:31.22 | C0sm0p0lit4n | any link for read ??? for my problem !! |
| 10:31.54 | Guerin | <theory type="conspiracy">all this stuff is purposefully made complicated so normal people don't understand and go 'ah well, doesn't worry me'!</theory> |
| 10:32.14 | Phated | Guerin: Likely true too, darling. |
| 10:32.50 | Guerin | I watched Infernal Affairs tonight, the movie The Departed is a remake of |
| 10:33.01 | Guerin | it's good watchings, too |
| 10:33.28 | C0sm0p0lit4n | anybody know a good iptables for help me :D |
| 10:33.44 | Phated | Guerin: "Internal", innit? |
| 10:34.14 | Toast | Anyone know a way to set up an etch box to reboot automaticly if it crashed? |
| 10:34.54 | Dewi | Guerin: actually fonts are considered programs |
| 10:35.02 | Dewi | Guerin: is that what we're talking about? |
| 10:35.11 | eSa| | hi, i've installed iceweasel-l10n-it on my box (a debian etch am64 wich I've started at the time official amd64 repostories weren't yet available) |
| 10:35.24 | eSa| | but mi iceweasel is not localized |
| 10:35.35 | concept10 | Toast, pay someone to wath the /var/log/messages with a finger on the reset button |
| 10:35.45 | Toast | :) |
| 10:35.56 | eSa| | I don't have such a problem on a freshly installation of etch amd64 on my laptop |
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| 10:36.13 | eSa| | any suggestion? |
| 10:36.28 | Guerin | Phated: nope. |
| 10:36.40 | concept10 | Toast, sorry, I wish I knew |
| 10:36.43 | Toast | It's a nasty one. I have a video driver problem which seems to lock the box up, but unfortunatly the machine is in the loft and not easy to restart! |
| 10:36.51 | Guerin | Dewi: eh, since when? I thought they were an edge case, and subject to a loophole in the law. |
| 10:37.06 | Dewi | concept10: I have heard of vector fonts, being as they are *instructions on how to assemble text*; I have seen people refer to them as software and therefore they could be perhaps be patentable in a jurisdiction that allows software patents |
| 10:37.09 | concept10 | Toast, in the loft? |
| 10:37.17 | Guerin | C0sm0p0lit4n: http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt |
| 10:37.18 | Toast | yes |
| 10:37.22 | Guerin | C0sm0p0lit4n: edit to your needs |
| 10:37.39 | concept10 | Toast, whata means this loft |
| 10:37.43 | Toast | always seemed like a good place to keep a server. |
| 10:37.45 | Guerin | C0sm0p0lit4n: then put it in an 'up' link in /etc/network/interfaces - see man interfaces for details |
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| 10:37.55 | Toast | Americans might call it an attick |
| 10:38.03 | Toast | though I don't know how they spell that. |
| 10:38.10 | Dewi | concept10, Guerin : http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 10:38.10 | Guerin | Dewi: hm, interesting. |
| 10:38.31 | Dewi | Guerin: that's if you believe anything the FSF has to say. :) |
| 10:38.32 | blondie | "attic" is used in uk english too. |
| 10:38.34 | concept10 | Dewi, thanks |
| 10:38.35 | Cicci0 | no way... tried purging and reinstalling, tried as told in dpkg bot help: "apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install .." nothing... |
| 10:38.53 | Toast | blondie: yes, but loft is more common in England |
| 10:39.02 | Skiver | !picotux |
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| 10:39.30 | Skiver | hello, what are these for ? --> http://www.picotux.com/producte.html |
| 10:39.32 | Dewi | Guerin: actually I find I believe the FSF unless stallman himself has tainted it |
| 10:39.43 | Guerin | Dewi: infidel! |
| 10:39.44 | DimmuR | Cicci0: just go to /var/cache/apt/ar*, run mc, go "inside" mysql package, navigate to configu you want and copy it |
| 10:39.46 | Toast | I may make up a serial lead to cat 5 addaptor and remote control my UPS through a spare network line. |
| 10:39.50 | Skiver | someone please help, i'm curious about this. |
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| 10:40.06 | concept10 | Toast, thats weird, its usually hot (or cold) up there |
| 10:40.12 | Guerin | Dewi: thanks for that link, that answers the questions |
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| 10:40.27 | Guerin | dpkg, fonts is also http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 10:40.28 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 10:40.36 | terraces | hi. what's the logfile to look for outcoming network ? I can wget files, but I can't access them using lynx, as if nothing was send |
| 10:40.44 | blondie | I wouldn't think an attic/loft is good for a server... they tend to be very dusty, and have extreme temperatures in the summer and winter |
| 10:40.59 | Cicci0 | dimmur ok for the "by hand" way, trying now... but it should be fun having working automagic methods ! :D |
| 10:41.17 | petemc | blondie: if you can grow weed in an attic you could keep computers there :) |
| 10:41.24 | DimmuR | Cicci0: apt-get install --reinstall always worked for me |
| 10:41.47 | Dewi | Skiver: that's awesome |
| 10:41.55 | Dewi | Skiver: they are small computers! |
| 10:41.58 | Cicci0 | maybe mysql-server-5.0 .deb is missing this file? |
| 10:42.01 | Cicci0 | looking... |
| 10:42.15 | Toast | In my last house, my server ran fine for years and it got very hot. My new loft is much better ventilated, so should be better. |
| 10:42.21 | Skiver | Dewi: to be used in windows ?? |
| 10:42.30 | Dewi | Skiver: no, it's a whole computer. you could serve small web pages off it, or control things over serial interface, or whatever you want |
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| 10:42.48 | concept10 | Toast, why dont you put it in the closet |
| 10:42.49 | Toast | concept: not a lot yet, but who knows what will end up there... |
| 10:43.11 | h3sp4wn | They don't run linux though uClinux is not really linux |
| 10:43.12 | Toast | concept: there isn't enough room, and I would need to run too much wiring. |
| 10:43.15 | DimmuR | Cicci0: in /usr/share/doc/mysql* you have configs |
| 10:43.43 | DimmuR | Cicci0: and in mysql-common_5.0.24a-9_all.deb for example there also is config |
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| 10:44.21 | concept10 | Toast, do you run X on your server? |
| 10:44.33 | Toast | I needed to put power into the loft anyway and there was a conveniant internal wall to run networking though. The loft already had the TV cables I needed. I would have had to run all of those to any closet, and the only one which would be even remotly suitable is already full. |
| 10:44.53 | Skiver | Dewi: one RJ45, and one monitor, will do the job ? |
| 10:44.56 | Toast | concept: yes for now, though I may take that off when everything is fully setup. |
| 10:45.09 | Dewi | Skiver: I doubt that's a monitor - it's probably serial |
| 10:45.35 | uwe | um, is testing and etch still the same? or is etch now diffrent than etch ? |
| 10:45.44 | concept10 | Toast, that will eliminate your problem right there. If you have problems with video drivers, get rid of X and just remotely ssh into the box |
| 10:45.45 | uwe | err , diffrent from testing |
| 10:46.05 | Dewi | Skiver: embedded systems are not normally for humans to use; they do mostly automatic and portable things |
| 10:46.06 | Toast | concept: by video, I meen video, not graphics. |
| 10:46.12 | Toast | video as in TV |
| 10:46.18 | Skiver | Dewi: i'm totally confused, there's no need of a keyboard ? |
| 10:46.24 | Toast | the system is to be a mythtv backend |
| 10:46.47 | RvGaTe | !bluefish |
| 10:46.48 | dpkg | methinks bluefish is probably a GTK+ HTML editor for linux at http://bluefish.linuxbox.com/ |
| 10:47.09 | Dewi | Skiver: lots of machines don't have keyboards. You're using dozens of them just to speak to me. |
| 10:47.09 | Skiver | Dewi: don't you have to set it up for the 1st time ? |
| 10:47.20 | Toast | So far, the box doen't see my DVB card and crashes with my old analogue card. |
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| 10:47.54 | anddreaz | hi |
| 10:47.57 | anddreaz | the best ftpd? |
| 10:47.58 | Toast | I know it can work with the DVB card as I had knopmyth running on it, but I haven't got to that card yet. |
| 10:48.14 | Dewi | Skiver: you can probably flash it via the serial or network |
| 10:48.17 | dererk[work] | anddreaz, I prefer vsftpd |
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| 10:48.22 | anddreaz | thanks |
| 10:48.27 | Toast | it's the analogue TV card that totally locks up the machine when I try to capture through it. |
| 10:48.28 | dererk[work] | Dunno if it's "the best" |
| 10:48.42 | dererk[work] | Toast, Using which app ? |
| 10:48.55 | Toast | mythtv |
| 10:49.13 | h3sp4wn | anddreaz: I use proftpd (but probably just because I haved used it for years) |
| 10:49.13 | dererk[work] | have you tried another app ¿ |
| 10:49.33 | Toast | I am going to look up the more simple apps and try them next, though I'm not sure how easy that will be on a headless server, as most of them are ment to be used interactivly. |
| 10:49.39 | Skiver | Dewi: what's the possible usage of this picotux ?? |
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| 10:50.01 | dererk[work] | Toast, I remember using an app which was purely console based |
| 10:50.24 | Toast | Can you remember what it was called? |
| 10:50.29 | dererk[work] | I know that it's stupid, but why does debhelper set limits everytime ? |
| 10:50.31 | Skiver | dewi: router is one i can think of. |
| 10:50.33 | Dewi | Skiver: anything you want. It's just a computer with no keyboard or video. You talk to it via serial or network |
| 10:50.57 | bruddah | did they update etch servers? apt-get update is downloading a lot of stuff |
| 10:50.58 | Dewi | Skiver: most adsl modems are that sophisticated these days. Some even run modified linux's |
| 10:51.06 | dererk[work] | Toast, I'm afraid not :| If I say one, I probably would invent it... |
| 10:51.18 | Toast | ok. |
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| 10:51.34 | Dewi | Skiver: and there are much simpler (but still similar) computers in your car |
| 10:51.40 | Toast | Is it common for systems to get locked up by driver issues? |
| 10:51.48 | dererk[work] | Toast, just ftr, have you tried xawtv or mencoder ? |
| 10:51.54 | Kevin` | no it isn't common |
| 10:52.04 | Toast | no. just myth for now. I'll look them up. |
| 10:52.07 | dererk[work] | no it's really not Toast |
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| 10:52.26 | dererk[work] | In fact, I had once a similar problem, and was a hardware failure |
| 10:52.40 | Toast | in the card or the pc? |
| 10:52.53 | dererk[work] | well, It was a firewire issue |
| 10:53.00 | dererk[work] | so none of them :P |
| 10:53.01 | Toast | ok |
| 10:53.10 | Skiver | Dewi: thanks man. |
| 10:53.23 | dererk[work] | dpkg, doing good ? |
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| 10:54.20 | dererk[work] | dpkg, doing good ? |
| 10:54.20 | dpkg | Just going... |
| 10:54.24 | dererk[work] | hehe |
| 10:54.38 | jethro | hello |
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| 10:56.53 | terraces | no idea re. why I can access a URL with wget, but not with lynx ? |
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| 10:58.49 | petemc | terraces: define access, it could be that all wget gets is a page that says "your browser needs to support frames" or some such |
| 11:01.39 | Sherpya | apt-get apt-cache etc are crashing on a sid, it's my specific problem? |
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| 11:03.37 | Sherpya | it's not an hw problem since the compiler works |
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| 11:04.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell Sherpya -about bat |
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| 11:05.18 | matholio | I have a utility which outputs "data error...blah blah" if it fails, I'm trying to write a bash script to test for "data earror", can anyone help ? |
| 11:05.29 | Sherpya | dondelelcaro: no output it just segfaults :P |
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| 11:06.07 | Dewi | Has anyone found a good way to version-control OpenOffice documents? They are XML, but it's stuck inside a ZIP archive, which is neither space efficient or at all easy to diff... |
| 11:06.16 | dondelelcaro | Sherpya: then rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; and run apt-get update; again. |
| 11:07.10 | dererk[work] | Sherpya, maybe perl issues, dunno really |
| 11:07.13 | Sherpya | dondelelcaro: I was thinking about doing this |
| 11:07.16 | Sherpya | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4699 |
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| 11:07.59 | Zap-W | any difference between chmod o+x and chmod a+x |
| 11:08.08 | dondelelcaro | Zap-W: loads. |
| 11:08.20 | Dewi | Zap-W: o is other, whereas a is user,group,other |
| 11:10.24 | dondelelcaro | Sherpya: uh.. what version of apt-get is this? what do you have on line 42 of your update file? |
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| 11:10.39 | Sherpya | dondelelcaro: fixed by wipeing the cache |
| 11:11.00 | hitthebooks | My laptop battery ran out and the laptop switched its self off, now when I run apt-get I get a segfault, gdb's reports it as '0xb7d1e783 in strlen () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6' |
| 11:11.06 | Toast | is debian any good at auto detecting hardware changes and reconfiguring it's self? |
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| 11:11.24 | dondelelcaro | Toast: if you're using udev, yes. |
| 11:11.46 | Toast | if udev is a standard install with etch, then I am. |
| 11:11.52 | Capkirk | question : when installing a perlprogram with libs where should the libs be placed in debian? |
| 11:12.29 | Sherpya | dondelelcaro: 42 -> fi after STATUS=0 apt 0.6.46.3 |
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| 11:13.45 | dondelelcaro | Capkirk: depends |
| 11:14.01 | Sherpya | dondelelcaro: btw thx |
| 11:14.19 | Garo_ | hello. I'm running debian stable (installed via newest netinstall) on x86 platform. I downloaded a proprietary RAID administration client software (binary only) which requires libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 -library. What's the best/correct way to obtain that library to my debian installation? |
| 11:14.51 | Sherpya | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 11:14.57 | dondelelcaro | !tell Garo_ -about pdo |
| 11:15.13 | Capkirk | dondelelcaro: could it be /usr/lib/perl5/my_perl_lib/ ? |
| 11:15.16 | dondelelcaro | Capkirk: no. |
| 11:15.20 | bruddah | haha |
| 11:15.22 | bruddah | !yum |
| 11:15.26 | bruddah | so much for that |
| 11:15.47 | Capkirk | dondelelcaro: hm ok do you have a better proposal? :) |
| 11:15.49 | Garo_ | dondelelcaro: thanks =) |
| 11:16.01 | hitthebooks | So can anyone offer me any advice to what to do next? |
| 11:16.06 | dondelelcaro | Capkirk: in general, you'll find that almost every perl library you want is already packaged; if it's a custom one that you want to install, if you're using the standard Makefile.PL or Build.PL, dh-make-perl will build a deb which will install the libraries in the proper location. |
| 11:16.15 | dondelelcaro | Capkirk: if you want the full details, it's all discussed in the perl policy. |
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| 11:16.28 | Capkirk | dondelelcaro: its a custom one |
| 11:16.51 | RvGaTe | Who's at work atm? who's using debian etch at work? who's using xfce at work? and finaly, who's a web-developer? |
| 11:16.58 | hitthebooks | how do I fix apt-get? |
| 11:17.03 | hitthebooks | I get segfaults. |
| 11:17.07 | petemc | RvGaTe: just ask your question |
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| 11:17.27 | dondelelcaro | hitthebooks: delete the cache; rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin; and try again. |
| 11:17.28 | RvGaTe | petemc, just want to know what editor they use |
| 11:18.00 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: emacs, vim, etc. are going to be the popular responses; then the various domain specific editors. |
| 11:18.04 | Quintin | RvGaTe: vi, you fool |
| 11:18.26 | hitthebooks | Thanks dondelelcaro; that did the trick. |
| 11:18.31 | Quintin | now, I must play tremulous |
| 11:18.39 | Quintin | ...while I still can |
| 11:18.41 | RvGaTe | Quintin, isn't vi console only? |
| 11:18.50 | Quintin | RvGaTe: yes. |
| 11:18.56 | blondie | vim isn't though |
| 11:18.57 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: it's an editor; it's job is to edit text... the console displays text |
| 11:19.21 | Quintin | vim looks like an accident at a paint store. |
| 11:19.29 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, ehmm... thanks? :s |
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| 11:21.00 | bruddah | anyone know how to make yum find repos? |
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| 11:21.10 | santibiotico | hi |
| 11:21.27 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: yum has nothing whatsoever to do with #debian. |
| 11:21.33 | santibiotico | does anybody know how to uninstall a packet with apt-get remove and all its dependencies??? |
| 11:21.43 | dondelelcaro | santibiotico: use aptitude. |
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| 11:21.58 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: it does if its a debian packaged yum ;) |
| 11:22.09 | santibiotico | i mean through terminal |
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| 11:22.28 | santibiotico | i thought apt-get remove --auto-remove would work |
| 11:22.32 | santibiotico | but it doesn't |
| 11:22.39 | Gnea | !yum |
| 11:22.40 | santibiotico | any other idea? |
| 11:23.01 | dondelelcaro | santibiotico: aptitude is console based, and you can't invent options to apt-get and expect them to work... |
| 11:23.02 | matholio | can sed strip of a newline from a string ? |
| 11:23.38 | santibiotico | dondelelcaro: that option worked time ago |
| 11:23.52 | dondelelcaro | santibiotico: it has never worked, because it has never existed. |
| 11:24.12 | schme | santibiotico: You could use deborphan and pipe the output to apt-get remove .. That could get rid of some libraries and what not. |
| 11:24.39 | dondelelcaro | santibiotico: you're better off using aptitude to install the packages, and then when you remove them, those dependencies which have been automatically installed will be automatically removed. |
| 11:24.40 | santibiotico | dondelelcaro: http://www.kbglob.com/gnulinux/comandos-utiles-de-linux/como-desinstalar-un-paquete-y-todas-sus-dependencias-no-usadas/ |
| 11:24.49 | dondelelcaro | santibiotico: if you ahven't been |
| 11:24.52 | h3sp4wn | santibiotico: only works on ubuntu (not debian) and not as well as aptitude |
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| 11:25.18 | santibiotico | h3sp4wn ok, it explains ir all :) |
| 11:25.23 | dondelelcaro | santibiotico: if you haven't been using aptitude the entire time, it's pretty easy to start and mark all libraries as automatically installed, and anything that you don't necessarily want installed. |
| 11:25.33 | santibiotico | ok, thanks :) |
| 11:25.37 | Gnea | hrm |
| 11:26.36 | PingFloyd | can also use deborphan and debfoster |
| 11:27.10 | dondelelcaro | yerp, but they're no where near as flexible |
| 11:27.17 | PingFloyd | aptitude is the best way to do though IMHO, because it brings a whole new level to managing packages |
| 11:27.56 | PingFloyd | I find it's all too much micro-management without aptitude |
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| 11:28.17 | dondelelcaro | that, and trying to resolve complex dependency issues without it is a nightmare. |
| 11:28.22 | PingFloyd | dondelelcaro: yeah, I agree |
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| 11:28.32 | PingFloyd | yeah |
| 11:28.41 | dondelelcaro | (well, not as bad as it could be, but you can resolve things much, much faster with it than you can without) |
| 11:30.00 | PingFloyd | I used to use synaptic, but I found it seemed to lack some of the nicer aspects of aptitude |
| 11:30.40 | dondelelcaro | I do too much work on remote machines, so there's pretty much no way that I'd be able to use a non-console based package manager. |
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| 11:31.14 | openexit | in Etch, what do i have to put in sources.list to get amd64 packages? |
| 11:31.36 | schme | openexit: Did you install a native amd64 system? |
| 11:31.37 | openexit | it currently has http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ |
| 11:31.38 | azeem | openexit: you cannot control it like that |
| 11:31.38 | dondelelcaro | openexit: nothing; it happens automatically if you've done an amd64 install. |
| 11:31.46 | openexit | great |
| 11:31.49 | openexit | thats what i wanted to hear :) |
| 11:32.33 | openexit | cheers guys |
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| 11:33.17 | PingFloyd | openexit: that must mean yes to schme's question :) |
| 11:34.23 | h3sp4wn | Is aptitude not supporting build-dep and source deliberate (so you don't leave loads of -dev packages around you only need once) |
| 11:34.37 | h3sp4wn | or is that feature just not made yet ? |
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| 11:39.57 | cydork | h3sp4wn: there was a perl script written by peterS which did build-dep afaik.. you can ask him when he is around |
| 11:40.08 | dondelelcaro | h3sp4wn: there are better ways to do that than using aptitude frankly |
| 11:40.54 | dondelelcaro | h3sp4wn: you can use apt-get source to get the packages, and use pbuilder to actually handle the building, FE. |
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| 11:42.55 | Toast | is there a log file you would recommend looking at to try to find why my tv card killed my server? |
| 11:43.20 | Gnea | hm, this netboot is broken - got dhcp3-server setup right, and the client can obtain an ip okay, but when it comes to transfering the pxelinux.0 via tftp, it simply doesn't make it across... using tftpd-hpa, has anybody done this lately? |
| 11:43.44 | h3sp4wn | dondelelcaro: Understood (it is useful if the packages don't clutter the system I suppose) |
| 11:43.45 | bruddah | are there debian packes for fedora core rpms? |
| 11:44.08 | Gnea | bruddah: why? |
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| 11:44.52 | bruddah | Gnea: cause i can't get the debian-yum to connect to any repos. im lost when it comes to yum.conf |
| 11:45.18 | Gnea | bruddah: why would you use yum to install debian packages when apt works just fine and, in fact, better? |
| 11:45.19 | blondie | perhaps you could use alien if you can't find a .deb? |
| 11:45.33 | blondie | assuming it's not available throught apt... |
| 11:45.44 | bruddah | Gnea: i want to use yum to install fedora packages |
| 11:46.01 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: there's no reason to even be using yum; it's presence on Debian is only for installing into chroots and the like. |
| 11:46.06 | Gnea | bruddah: what's the point? the same applications already have debian packages |
| 11:46.10 | PingFloyd | bruddah: personally, I would use an rpm package as a very last ditch resort, It seems like it tends to be a bit sketchy in my experiences |
| 11:46.33 | bruddah | because the files i want are inside an rpm but i don't have the required dependencies |
| 11:46.49 | Gnea | bruddah: what files, exactly? |
| 11:47.00 | bruddah | Gnea: gtk2 theme files |
| 11:47.23 | Gnea | bruddah: then you don't need to do that - just use alien to convert them to .tgz files and pull the files out directly |
| 11:47.37 | bruddah | Gnea: oh! now somebody tells me |
| 11:47.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 11:47.51 | Gnea | !alien |
| 11:47.52 | dpkg | alien is, like, a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 11:48.05 | bruddah | oh...... sexy! |
| 11:48.14 | Gnea | yeah, alien is the shit |
| 11:48.22 | nst | anyome know when debian etch comes stable? |
| 11:48.25 | dondelelcaro | !wir |
| 11:48.25 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:48.37 | Gnea | !rsn |
| 11:48.37 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: LOL! |
| 11:48.37 | nst | *anyone |
| 11:48.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 11:48.58 | blondie | release date was today :( |
| 11:49.10 | bruddah | in hawaii, we say 'bumbye' to mean wir or rsn |
| 11:49.10 | Gnea | blondie: no it wasn't #) |
| 11:49.13 | blondie | it was |
| 11:49.14 | bruddah | !bumbye |
| 11:49.23 | blondie | according to a website I read anyway |
| 11:49.32 | Gnea | it hasn't even been frozen yet... has it? |
| 11:49.37 | bruddah | don't believe everything you read on the internet |
| 11:49.46 | dondelelcaro | blondie: that was a projection made months ago |
| 11:49.58 | bruddah | man pages suck ;) |
| 11:50.08 | openexit | is adding apt-get upgrade to a crontab a good idea? |
| 11:50.12 | dondelelcaro | openexit: no |
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| 11:50.27 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: why not? |
| 11:50.27 | dondelelcaro | openexit: if you want to do something like that, use cron-apt, and only have it download the packages, not actually install them. |
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| 11:50.47 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: oops i thought he typed apt update.. im tired |
| 11:51.12 | dondelelcaro | openexit: it's also set up to e-mail you when there are new packages to be installed, which is really useful. |
| 11:51.14 | bruddah | i learned the hard way that apt update != apt upgrade hehe |
| 11:51.30 | dondelelcaro | (well, can be set up) |
| 11:51.33 | Gnea | blondie: http://www.debian.org/releases/ please read that and tell me where the release date is at. |
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| 11:52.02 | openexit | mmm is there a way to automate security updates? |
| 11:52.03 | Gnea | oh wait, what's that? it's not on the official site? then it's not official. :P |
| 11:52.14 | blondie | Gnea: please ask again using correct grammar. |
| 11:52.28 | Gnea | blondie: sorry. please, stop talking shit. :) |
| 11:52.31 | dondelelcaro | Gnea: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00005.html is what he's getting at. |
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| 11:53.06 | damnshock | hi all |
| 11:53.39 | bruddah | hi damnshock |
| 11:53.53 | Gnea | N = Mon 4 Dec 06: |
| 11:53.55 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:54.09 | Gnea | it says that it's slated to go into freeze today, not release. |
| 11:54.16 | ma3x | how do I identify the disk I have inside the cdrom? |
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| 11:54.41 | Gnea | but it ALSO says earlier in the message that the dates are tentative and not written in stone. |
| 11:55.58 | Gnea | dondelelcaro: did i read that right? |
| 11:56.32 | bruddah | woohoo its done! |
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| 11:59.32 | bruddah | i feel powerfull when i use --force with any command |
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| 12:01.42 | ecolinux | soory it s for fvwm |
| 12:01.50 | bruddah | try #fvwm |
| 12:01.50 | ecolinux | sorry |
| 12:02.27 | Gnea | !beer bruddah |
| 12:02.56 | bruddah | hefeweizen == good |
| 12:04.17 | bruddah | RvGaTe: no way! |
| 12:04.23 | RvGaTe | its true |
| 12:04.39 | bruddah | RvGaTe: missin out bruddah! its da kine! |
| 12:04.45 | liable | its like VB |
| 12:04.50 | ecolinux | noboby work on fvwm?? |
| 12:04.55 | RvGaTe | VB ? |
| 12:05.04 | bruddah | why even use fvwm? |
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| 12:05.12 | bruddah | thats like.... the console... with pictures |
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| 12:05.48 | ecolinux | it 's the most configurable wm |
| 12:06.08 | openexit | so sorry nobody answered.. is there a way to apply security updates on a weekly basis? |
| 12:06.14 | bruddah | i like fluxbox. |
| 12:06.21 | bruddah | but i don't run a window manager |
| 12:06.31 | bruddah | i pipe all X stuff to remote computer |
| 12:06.41 | petemc | openexit: run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade every week |
| 12:06.45 | holycow | openexit, rup apt-get update with cron on a weekly basis |
| 12:06.50 | liable | openexit: yes, every monday morning type 'apt-get update; apt-get upgrade' |
| 12:07.05 | petemc | *bam* |
| 12:07.12 | liable | i lose |
| 12:07.17 | openexit | cool... now which one do i do |
| 12:07.18 | openexit | lmfao |
| 12:07.27 | RvGaTe | bruddah, now i know why i dont know Hefeweizen... its german :P I drink Heineken... |
| 12:07.36 | niru | hello all |
| 12:07.54 | bruddah | RvGaTe: are you from holland? |
| 12:08.02 | niru | I am trying with kde packages with debian-installer |
| 12:08.02 | liable | openexit: auto-apt, cron-apt |
| 12:08.03 | bruddah | thast were heinekens from yeah? |
| 12:08.05 | RvGaTe | bruddah, yup |
| 12:08.24 | bruddah | RvGaTe: wow man you guys got even better weed than we do. |
| 12:09.12 | cableroy | how can i remove kernel upgrades when runnig apt-get upgrade ? |
| 12:09.30 | Shadur | Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.nl/debian/dists/sid/non-free/binary-i386/PackagesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
| 12:09.36 | Shadur | ... that's a new one. |
| 12:09.36 | RvGaTe | bruddah, + its legal :P |
| 12:09.50 | ecolinux | nobody use fvwm?? |
| 12:10.04 | Shadur | ecolinux: I use fvwm-crystal these days. |
| 12:10.09 | bruddah | RvGaTe: it ain't illegal if they don't enforce it. the cops burn ova here |
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| 12:10.23 | xabbott | If you do not use gdm/xdm what file would you edit to change the default wm/de? |
| 12:10.39 | liable | xintrc |
| 12:10.41 | liable | ./ |
| 12:10.43 | liable | . |
| 12:10.48 | Gnea | ~/.xinitrc |
| 12:10.53 | apt | ~/.xinitrc is the traditional personal startup script used by xinit/startx, but in Debian ~/.xsession is preferred. xdm and startx use ~/.xsession; gdm uses ~/.gnomerc instead. |
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| 12:11.05 | xabbott | ok...was about to say |
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| 12:11.12 | xabbott | didnt see xintrc >.< |
| 12:11.18 | xabbott | im used to that from arch |
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| 12:11.31 | Gnea | it's not a default file, you have to create it from scratch - usually just a shell script format |
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| 12:11.51 | Gnea | ecolinux: again, #fvwm |
| 12:12.02 | xabbott | Ah, yea for some reason I've typically had it made for me when I installed x. |
| 12:12.20 | niru | how can I get kde packages in the debian cd |
| 12:12.32 | liable | they are in iso1 |
| 12:12.37 | Gnea | niru: use the cd as a source for apt to install |
| 12:14.21 | niru | Gnea:I have added the kde package list to the /usr/share/debian-cd/kdepackagelist |
| 12:14.29 | niru | Gnea:and created the cd |
| 12:14.48 | PingFloyd | niru: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 12:15.02 | niru | Gnea:The cd is working till some extend but at package selection it stops |
| 12:15.10 | niru | No packages are getting installed |
| 12:15.46 | niru | Gnea:I am doing the same.using the cd as source |
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| 12:16.33 | niru | This worked for gnome packages but why not for kde |
| 12:16.41 | niru | am I going wrong somewhere |
| 12:16.46 | niru | Gnea? |
| 12:17.40 | Gnea | niru: sorry, i'm a bit lost as to your logic - the only way you can install packages from cd is to insert the proper cd when apt asks for it |
| 12:17.58 | Gnea | unless you're using dpkg directly on a .deb |
| 12:18.22 | niru | Gnea:let me explain |
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| 12:18.32 | Gnea | i don't see how adding to a file in /usr/share would affect what's in /var/lib |
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| 12:18.59 | niru | Gnea:debian-cd is a package that looks after creation of the cd |
| 12:19.07 | cydork | Gnea: debian-cd is a script to create custom install cds |
| 12:19.20 | niru | Gnea:which gets installed in /usr/share |
| 12:19.24 | Gnea | aaah |
| 12:19.29 | Gnea | ok, i see |
| 12:19.30 | niru | Gnea:so I mentioned /usr/share |
| 12:19.38 | niru | cydork:any idea |
| 12:19.41 | Gnea | then i don't know, someone else might |
| 12:19.48 | niru | how can I come up with kde packages |
| 12:19.55 | niru | cydork? |
| 12:20.01 | cydork | niru: do you see any packages in apt-cache search? |
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| 12:20.21 | niru | cydork I did not get you |
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| 12:20.32 | niru | cydork apt-cache search what |
| 12:20.52 | cydork | niru: did you create a cd? |
| 12:20.57 | niru | yes |
| 12:21.12 | niru | a 673 MB cd |
| 12:21.43 | larstr | I'm trying out etch and wondering where the kernel headers are? I have tried apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` and my sources.list look fine, but that package doesn't exists it says... |
| 12:22.03 | cydork | niru: did you add it to your sources.list? |
| 12:22.12 | niru | no |
| 12:22.35 | niru | cydork,you mean I have to check in that way |
| 12:22.50 | cydork | niru: use apt-cdrom add |
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| 12:23.06 | PingFloyd | niru: look at that link I gave you |
| 12:23.22 | PingFloyd | it tells about using cdroms with apt |
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| 12:23.32 | rutski | In base-config there is a section about exim. The first option is "Internet site; mail is sent and received by SMTP". Does this choice make exim an open relay? |
| 12:23.33 | larstr | the package linux-kernel-headers is already installed, but there's nothing in /usr/src |
| 12:23.37 | niru | ok PingFloyd |
| 12:23.54 | DavidW2 | Hi. Can someone explain how dh_install works? It seems to install everything except for files under /usr/include |
| 12:24.31 | azeem | DavidW2: did you read the manpage? |
| 12:24.57 | niru | cydork:So this way I can find whether cd contains the kde packages or not? |
| 12:25.52 | DavidW2 | azeem: yes. It comaplins about missing files, though no options are given (seems to conflict witht he mapage) |
| 12:25.59 | cydork | niru: yes if after adding the cdrom via apt-cdrom you should see it with apt-cache. But what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 12:26.21 | azeem | DavidW2: do you have a debian/<package>.install? |
| 12:26.29 | niru | cydork:I want to come up with an installable cd with all kde packages |
| 12:27.00 | cydork | niru: oh ok.. |
| 12:27.10 | niru | so what I need to do now? |
| 12:27.12 | cydork | kdebian :P |
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| 12:27.58 | azeem | RvGaTe: those are called `regulars' |
| 12:28.02 | larstr | ah.. I figured.. The package has been renamed. It's no longer linux-kernel-headers, but linux-headers |
| 12:28.07 | larstr | thx anyway :-) |
| 12:28.08 | DavidW2 | azeem: yes |
| 12:28.17 | RvGaTe | azeem, guess so... am i a "regular" ? :P |
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| 12:28.18 | azeem | DavidW2: and does it mention /usr/include? |
| 12:28.27 | cydork | niru: give it a go :) |
| 12:28.42 | DavidW2 | azeem: well i put usr/include in package.dirs, and usr/include/* in package.install |
| 12:29.13 | azeem | DavidW2: does the upstream install target actually install the headers into $(DESTDIR)? |
| 12:29.25 | azeem | i.e. are they present in (presumably) debian/tmp/usr/include? |
| 12:29.25 | rutski | In base-config there is a section about exim. The first option is "Internet site; mail is sent and received by SMTP". Does this choice make exim an open relay? |
| 12:29.35 | petemc | rutski: of course not |
| 12:29.36 | DavidW2 | azeem: Yes, tmp is filled correctly, but they don't get moved to the package dirs |
| 12:29.57 | DavidW2 | azeem: So, I see files under tmp, yet they are missing under the tmp/package |
| 12:29.58 | cydork | RvGaTe: unless you are you cant see the same people everyday! :) |
| 12:30.00 | azeem | DavidW2: paste your package.install to a pastebin |
| 12:30.10 | RvGaTe | cydork, true... true... |
| 12:30.14 | azeem | tmp/package? you mean debian/package/? |
| 12:30.29 | DavidW2 | azeem: I mean debian/package and debian/tmp |
| 12:30.34 | DavidW2 | azeem: sorry |
| 12:30.41 | petemc | rutski: of course, it may be possible for some of the answers you give later to make you an open relay |
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| 12:31.06 | DavidW2 | azeem: can you answer 2 questiosn first. Do I need to list directories and files separately always? And, do I need to specify -p --autodest for everything? that's a workaround I guest |
| 12:31.08 | ma3x | how do I identify the disk I have inside the cdrom? |
| 12:31.16 | ma3x | if its a blank cd or not |
| 12:31.16 | DavidW2 | azeem: guess* i mean |
| 12:31.17 | rutski | petemc: ah, oops; didn't realize that there were questions beyond the first one |
| 12:31.33 | azeem | DavidW2: no and no |
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| 12:32.11 | DavidW2 | azeem: So, where does it explain the point of .dirs vs. .install? I don't really understand |
| 12:32.29 | ma3x | azeem: you know anything about how to display disk (cd) info? (I want to know if it's an empty disk) |
| 12:32.38 | azeem | ma3x: why do you ask me? |
| 12:32.46 | DavidW2 | azeem: I mean, dh_make made both, so I figured it would be mostly correct |
| 12:32.50 | azeem | DavidW2: .dirs is for dh_installdirs and .install is for dh_install |
| 12:33.18 | azeem | DavidW2: dh_make is not correct on anything, it just provides you with some more or less sane defaults |
| 12:33.49 | ma3x | azeem: because I asked twice and nobody replied |
| 12:33.53 | ma3x | I thought you might know |
| 12:34.14 | azeem | ma3x: then either your question is too broad or unspecific, or nobody knows |
| 12:34.23 | azeem | harassing individuals doesn't get you anywhere |
| 12:34.39 | ma3x | but it's a simple question, how come nobody knows? |
| 12:34.43 | azeem | ma3x: you can try again in a couple of hours, try in the other #d or the mailinst lists or web forums |
| 12:34.52 | ma3x | I mean I want to see if the disk is a blank cd or not |
| 12:35.10 | azeem | I refuse to answer questions needlessly directed at me personally |
| 12:35.24 | ma3x | i see |
| 12:35.31 | azeem | DavidW2: .dirs is for stuff under debian/tmp |
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| 12:35.47 | azeem | .install is for moving stuff from debian/tmp to the respective debian/package/ dirs |
| 12:36.03 | azeem | to first order, at least |
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| 12:38.41 | openexit | anyone know of a util or something to put system status in motd? |
| 12:38.42 | neoalex | how do I mount a nfs folder in debian? |
| 12:39.03 | azeem | neoalex: see the mount manpage |
| 12:39.09 | openexit | mount -t nfs ipaddres:/home/username /mnt/nfs |
| 12:39.12 | Kevin` | mount computer:/dir /dir |
| 12:39.14 | azeem | neoalex: KDE and GNOME can do those transparently |
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| 12:40.09 | neoalex | don't have kde or gnome on the host, it's debian-arm running off a 256 MB SD :)) |
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| 12:40.28 | azeem | then follow the other advice. |
| 12:40.56 | Kevin` | 256mb is enough for gnome and kde if you use lossy compression and are extremely lucky |
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| 12:41.17 | cusco | dudes... long ago since xorg7 on etch, I lost my synaptic drivers (my laptop touchpad mouse is not very good) |
| 12:41.57 | cusco | it used to work good, I could touch it to click and stuff... not it goes very slow and I cannot clin unless I push the click button |
| 12:41.58 | neoalex | even so, it's just 200 Mhz |
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| 12:43.30 | kryptoz | Hi all, i have a little problem with 32 bit deb 3.1 in a xeon hardware |
| 12:43.48 | Kevin` | neoalex what device are you using? |
| 12:43.50 | kryptoz | It shows only 1 GB memory (i have 6GB) and the smp kernel didnt get installed |
| 12:43.55 | neoalex | ts7300 |
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| 12:44.07 | neoalex | embeddedarm.com |
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| 12:44.46 | Kevin` | mmm fpga goodness |
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| 12:51.50 | DavidW2 | azeem: missing files (usr/lib/lib*.so.*), aborting; but this regex is in package.install, it's just that dh_install doesn't install it |
| 12:52.02 | DavidW2 | azeem: anyway i can't paste now. i might try later |
| 12:52.06 | CrippsFX | good morning my fine debian-ian friends. |
| 12:52.32 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 12:52.36 | chemaja | teehee |
| 12:52.43 | CrippsFX | how's it going? |
| 12:52.47 | azeem | DavidW2: check whether you invoke dh_install with --sourcedir=debian/tmp, otherwise it will not find usr/lib/ |
| 12:53.04 | chemaja | CrippsFX: sick of GNU :-( |
| 12:53.18 | CrippsFX | chemaja, why is that, may I ask? |
| 12:53.25 | chemaja | CrippsFX: because i'm lazy |
| 12:53.35 | openexit | alright i know its a longshot... but anyone know anything about installing HP server monitoring software on Etch? |
| 12:53.35 | CrippsFX | hahaha. |
| 12:53.36 | chemaja | feeling veeery lazy this week. |
| 12:53.55 | CrippsFX | chemaja, yeah ... me too ... but that's mostly because exams start tomorrow. |
| 12:54.05 | chemaja | CrippsFX: Linux seems to drain my energy more than Windows |
| 12:54.08 | azeem | openexit: is there no documentation by HP? |
| 12:54.12 | chemaja | CrippsFX: i think it's because i'm a fiend |
| 12:54.14 | openexit | no |
| 12:54.20 | azeem | openexit: I thought they had a deb source somewhere |
| 12:54.21 | openexit | HP only offically support suse and redhat |
| 12:54.35 | openexit | i heard there were PLANS to release debian stuff |
| 12:54.48 | openexit | and i've also seen a script to do RPM to DEB conversion of the package |
| 12:54.49 | azeem | openexit: http://www.hp.com/go/debian |
| 12:54.58 | CrippsFX | chemaja, yeah ... for everything worthwhile, there's a bit of work involved ;) |
| 12:55.13 | chemaja | CrippsFX: aah spoken like a true battler |
| 12:55.25 | chemaja | ;) |
| 12:55.26 | CrippsFX | when I get it figured out, maybe I'll write a script to do it auto-magically. |
| 12:55.39 | chemaja | i'm not, i just piss and moan on freenode :P |
| 12:55.40 | azeem | openexit: http://h20293.www2.hp.com/portal/swdepot/displayInstallInfo.do?productNumber=T2811AA |
| 12:55.41 | CrippsFX | :D |
| 12:55.42 | openexit | mmm lets have a look |
| 12:55.43 | azeem | dunno if that is helpful |
| 12:55.53 | CrippsFX | haha. I like to do that once in awhile. |
| 12:56.02 | azeem | openexit: they don't support etch yet, of course |
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| 12:56.10 | DavidW2 | azeem: it already looks starting in debian/tmp |
| 12:56.21 | openexit | naturally |
| 12:56.27 | azeem | DavidW2: how so? |
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| 12:56.32 | openexit | looks like they dont support the DL360 either |
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| 12:57.25 | DavidW2 | azeem: because adding what you say makes tmp/debian appear twice (tmp/debian/tmp/debian/usr/lib/*.so |
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| 12:58.25 | CrippsFX | damnit. Initng's wiki/website is down :/ ... stupid trac errors. |
| 12:59.02 | DavidW2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.06 | DavidW2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.10 | DavidW2 | OK, so it's not guessing :P |
| 12:59.19 | DavidW2 | or guessing badly |
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| 13:00.35 | CrippsFX | there we go. |
| 13:00.35 | DavidW2 | Also, the manpage does say `dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp' but liek I said, that makes debian/tmp appear twice |
| 13:00.59 | CrippsFX | !flood > DavidW2 |
| 13:01.44 | DavidW2 | flood? i pasted 2 lines |
| 13:02.03 | chemaja | yea, 2 lines is soo not a flood |
| 13:02.12 | CrippsFX | my bad. |
| 13:02.15 | chemaja | it's a trickle :) |
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| 13:05.09 | DavidW2 | anyway, i give up for now. time for sleep |
| 13:05.24 | CrippsFX | g'night |
| 13:06.06 | DavidW2 | goodnight :) |
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| 13:07.12 | chemaja | me 2 |
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| 13:23.25 | RvGaTe | Not debian related: "What is the best way to visualise an existing network?" any tips? things i need to do in advance... etc etc? |
| 13:23.40 | mosty | is there a mail server for debian that would work easily with two different ISP's? it could either send to the correct smarthost, or act as a full mail server itself, keeping in mind that the machine's ip/dns name will change (exim seems to want the dns name in it's config file- but this will change when the isp changes) |
| 13:23.54 | mosty | rvgate: draw a diagram |
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| 13:25.24 | sunnyhours4130 | Could anyone tell me how to set my DNS server's IP address statically? I'm not configured as a dhcp client.... |
| 13:25.24 | RvGaTe | mosty, ofcourse... but where to start :P |
| 13:25.36 | mosty | rvgate: draw switches, routers, hosts |
| 13:25.47 | mosty | then draw lines where there are cables joining them |
| 13:25.58 | mosty | then label with ip/netmask/dns |
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| 13:29.12 | sunnyhours4130 | yeeaahhhhh |
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| 13:31.50 | niru | hello all |
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| 13:32.01 | x_link | Hi everybody ! |
| 13:32.10 | underpressure | hi u too |
| 13:32.12 | x_link | I just mounted my second hdd |
| 13:32.21 | x_link | And I made it Read & writable |
| 13:32.35 | x_link | So I rebooted, but when I reboot I hadve to do it again ? |
| 13:33.04 | x_link | I don't know how to make it to mount on boot. |
| 13:33.09 | x_link | Can somebody help me with me? |
| 13:33.10 | x_link | brb 5min |
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| 13:34.17 | sunnyhours4130 | hmm.... actually don't know how to do that in debian. |
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| 13:34.54 | niru | whiwhy does my installation of debian os hangs at configuring the package manager |
| 13:35.13 | niru | ie while it scans for cd-rom |
| 13:35.26 | niru | The base packages are getting installed properly |
| 13:35.29 | tarzeau | niru: maybe the optical drive has some problem? |
| 13:35.36 | tarzeau | or the media? |
| 13:35.41 | niru | but while configuring the package manager it hangs |
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| 13:36.22 | niru | means it is not proceeding to next step |
| 13:36.33 | yess | Hello. I have just installed postgresql-8.1, but with wrong locale. How do I reconfigure the package? |
| 13:37.08 | yess | dpkg-reconfigure postgresql-8.1 just restarts the server. |
| 13:37.40 | niru | tarzeau:it is not showing any error msg for the cd corruption |
| 13:37.51 | niru | only it is not forwarding to next step |
| 13:38.00 | tarzeau | niru: yes, does it make any noise? |
| 13:38.27 | niru | no |
| 13:38.39 | niru | It is coming back to the list of steps |
| 13:38.57 | mosty | yess: i believe you need to edit some files |
| 13:39.24 | niru | I even though I select confiogure the package manager it comes back to same step once again with error |
| 13:39.28 | streuner | http://www.tburke.net/fun_stuff/pictures/computers/stupida.gif |
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| 13:42.15 | niru | tarzeau? |
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| 13:42.56 | triplc | hi all, please help to install Free Pascal (Error: "can't find unit System"), i am using Etch. Or please tell me what chat channel for Free Pascal. (Sorry for asking FP here... i do not know where to ask) |
| 13:43.15 | niru | what happened tarzeau |
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| 13:44.06 | rpetre | i want to use data from ssh-agent when setting up devices via cryptsetup. can i read the private key from some socket, must i do some challenge/response trick or it just can't be done? |
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| 13:46.47 | tarzeau | niru: no idea, i think it's a hardware problem |
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| 13:54.57 | mhterres | hey everybody |
| 13:55.11 | mhterres | anybody has an idea of when etch will be released ? |
| 13:55.30 | blondie | !wir |
| 13:55.31 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 13:55.40 | Phil|Away | lol |
| 13:55.50 | mhterres | i read that beta1 is released, am I right ? |
| 13:55.57 | blondie | "some time in the future" |
| 13:56.04 | mhterres | hehhhe |
| 13:56.15 | mhterres | I know, but maybe this year ? |
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| 13:59.01 | minerale | how may one run .desktop files from the command line ? |
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| 13:59.13 | cusco | I believe that you don't |
| 14:00.02 | minerale | cusco: ok then, how do I run them from fluxbox |
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| 14:10.15 | Malagmyr | I've set up a reverse proxy to allow people outside to access an internal webserver through another one. However, now I'm worried I'm running an open proxy. I have ProxyRequests Off in my proxy.conf, but I still get lines like these in my logs. |
| 14:10.16 | Malagmyr | 82.96.96.3 - - [04/Dec/2006:15:00:50 +0100] "CONNECT 82.96.96.3:802 HTTP/1.0" 405 322 "-" "-" |
| 14:10.16 | Malagmyr | 82.96.96.3 - - [04/Dec/2006:15:00:50 +0100] "POST http://82.96.96.3:802/ HTTP/1.0" 200 619 "-" "-" |
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| 14:12.03 | Malagmyr | Anyone? |
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| 14:13.05 | eps | any eta when the current nvidia drivers will replace nvidia-glx? |
| 14:13.37 | Assassin5 | are there any apps available that open flash files? |
| 14:13.50 | SlayerXP | Assassin5: vi |
| 14:13.52 | SlayerXP | in binary mode |
| 14:14.03 | blondie | adobe flash player ;) |
| 14:14.04 | tarzeau | Assassin5: gnash |
| 14:14.28 | Assassin5 | not to play them, to edit/export. |
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| 14:18.52 | Phated | vi in binary mode? :) |
| 14:18.57 | underpressure | hi all |
| 14:19.09 | underpressure | what is the most recommended CMS ? |
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| 14:20.16 | Malagmyr | How can I make sure I'm not running an open proxy with apache? |
| 14:20.32 | CaBiDe | Anybody have a frontend for administration of cyrus with OpenLdap? |
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| 14:33.55 | bintut | i'm running debian etch.. how can i add fonts in openoffice.org? i used to use spadmin tool but it seems that i don't have that command already.. any idea? |
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| 14:40.42 | DerJamster | by adding fonts to the X Server in general, I'd say. |
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| 14:47.19 | cr3 | in the init scripts, I sometimes see "Required-start" to determine which scripts need to be started before. Is there an equivalent to determine which scripts must not be started before? |
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| 14:50.04 | Flimzy | I am going to be migrating aprox 1000-2000 servers from FC3 to Debian for a spam filter product we sell. My company will also likely begin selling other Linux based products to clients. Long and short of it is that Debian stable is too outdated, and testing is too dynamic. My goal is to set up our own Debian mirror subset based on testing, but that will only be updated manually as we need added features or bugfixes. What options exist to help automate |
| 14:50.04 | Flimzy | the management of a _partial_ debian mirror? |
| 14:50.19 | eps | I cannot get window boarders to come up under compiz. I've checked my xorg.conf many times now and I can't find a syntax error... I've also tried several different versions of the nvidia 9xxx series driver |
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| 14:50.51 | cr3 | Flimzy: why not go with Ubuntu which does exactly that: builds a stable released based on debian testing |
| 14:51.07 | Flimzy | cr3: Because we want Linux for computers, not for humans :P |
| 14:51.11 | eps | alternatively you could just maintain your own 'pool' based off the debian repos |
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| 14:51.17 | wols_ | cr3: its built on sid |
| 14:51.24 | Flimzy | cr3: I don't trust Ubuntu for production servers. I'd consider using it for a workstation. |
| 14:51.27 | tarzeau | Flimzy: just create your own repository |
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| 14:51.31 | scenestar | sigh |
| 14:51.35 | scenestar | i got a bit of an issue |
| 14:51.36 | Flimzy | tarzeau: That's what I intend to do. |
| 14:51.41 | tarzeau | Flimzy: add it to sources.list, and you'll only get the newer stuff you put in that |
| 14:51.50 | tarzeau | Flimzy: no need for any mirror at all |
| 14:51.51 | eps | Flimqy we use ubuntu on several servers at work; you are correct in your assumption |
| 14:52.00 | scenestar | ubuntu? |
| 14:52.06 | cr3 | eps: really? what issues have you had? |
| 14:52.12 | Flimzy | eps: My assumption that it's not good for servers? |
| 14:52.13 | tarzeau | cr3: please stop the ubuntu talk here, it's off-topic |
| 14:52.16 | eps | Flimqy I believe there is a guide to setting up your own repo in the wiki some where |
| 14:52.17 | scenestar | i wouldnt touch that shit with a 10 foot pole in a production environment |
| 14:52.25 | scenestar | i swear to god |
| 14:52.31 | x-ip | hi, i need help to mount a hard drive (hdb), the system had raid 1, hda died, i buy a new hda, installed a new debian sarge stable with a kernel with raid modules and now dont know how to mount hdb hard drive. In the past it was /dev/md0. In dmesg i see this: md:raid0 personality registered as nr 2 <-- thats confuse me because my frind says that he installed a raid 1. This mean that debian is detecting a raid 0 ? (as i read, if it was a raid 0, |
| 14:52.33 | eps | Flimqy it isn't idle for the production server environment |
| 14:52.37 | cr3 | tarzeau: sure, I honestly thought it would be a viable option for Flimzy and might help him save some work |
| 14:52.54 | Flimzy | cr3: Ubuntu's objective is to make Debian easy for idiots to use on their workstation. |
| 14:53.00 | scenestar | yeah |
| 14:53.05 | eps | scenestar windows admins at my company refuse to use debian (it's not pretty enough)... |
| 14:53.07 | scenestar | real men use debian |
| 14:53.14 | Flimzy | cr3: That is not a bad objective, but it is wholey incompatible with production servers. |
| 14:53.14 | wols_ | Flimzy: they aren't idiots |
| 14:53.24 | scenestar | eps, people like that will be out of a job in 10 years :) |
| 14:53.29 | bintut | i'm running debian etch.. how can i add fonts in openoffice.org? i used to use spadmin tool but it seems that i don't have that command already.. any idea? |
| 14:53.34 | eps | scenestar I damn well hope so |
| 14:53.45 | scenestar | bintut |
| 14:53.48 | Flimzy | wols_: I'm not sure which 'they' you're talking about. |
| 14:53.51 | tarzeau | bintut: it's in /usr/lib i think |
| 14:53.55 | scenestar | add them to /usr/share/fonts |
| 14:53.58 | tarzeau | bintut: but really just put the fonts in /usr/share/fonts |
| 14:54.19 | tarzeau | scenestar: problem is not everyone is root on his box |
| 14:54.35 | tarzeau | scenestar: a problem, solved 18 years ago by NeXT |
| 14:54.37 | scenestar | uhm |
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| 14:54.47 | scenestar | tarzeau what? |
| 14:54.51 | eps | cr3 ubuntu has many issues ranging from limited packaging, release specific fuck ups (eg releasing with a gcc that wasn't compatible with the kernel), not upgrading important system files, general instability (and limited bloat) |
| 14:54.52 | wols_ | Flimzy: all of them. except you. cause you're statement certainly was idiotic. so I can't make the call what you are right now. Jury's out on it |
| 14:54.55 | tarzeau | oh wait debian partially supports font directories in user homes |
| 14:55.00 | wols_ | *your |
| 14:55.00 | scenestar | they can add them to their own home dir |
| 14:55.05 | tarzeau | scenestar: not everyone can write to /usr/ |
| 14:55.10 | tarzeau | scenestar: for all software? |
| 14:55.13 | scenestar | well homedir? |
| 14:55.23 | scenestar | for all software use /usr/share |
| 14:55.25 | Flimzy | wols_: I have NO idea what you're talknig about. |
| 14:55.29 | scenestar | otherwise NO FONTS FOR YOU |
| 14:55.38 | tarzeau | scenestar: no i mean do all software look in user homedirs? |
| 14:55.44 | p3rti | there is any problem with alsa? i was fine like 2 weeks ago and i upgrade my system and then the volume sound it's too low i have to rmmod all alsa modules and put oss again :'( |
| 14:55.45 | wols_ | 15:52 < Flimzy> cr3: Ubuntu's objective is to make Debian easy for idiots |
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| 14:55.49 | scenestar | yeah they do tarzeau |
| 14:55.58 | possie | where do i store "static routes" in debian? |
| 14:55.59 | tarzeau | scenestar: where in the home? |
| 14:56.09 | wols_ | possie: interfaces |
| 14:56.10 | Flimzy | wols_: Oh. I see. So you're trolling. Cool. |
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| 14:56.35 | k31th | Anyone recommend a decent howto for iptables? |
| 14:56.35 | scenestar | http://f3wm.free.fr/linux/fonts.html |
| 14:56.45 | Flimzy | k31th: GIYF |
| 14:57.02 | scenestar | wols_ : you forgot too add repackage debian with a shitcolor theme |
| 14:57.11 | k31th | Excuse me Flimzy ? |
| 14:57.12 | petemc | possie: in an "up" line for the interface in /etc/network/interfaces should work |
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| 14:57.24 | Flimzy | k31th: GIYF (Google is your friend) |
| 14:57.40 | k31th | oh i was guessing that was, google it you fag |
| 14:57.42 | streuner | scenestar: that's for rpm-based distro... |
| 14:57.53 | scenestar | wuts rpm |
| 14:57.59 | cr3 | k31th: I was guessing almost the same, except for "fag" :) |
| 14:58.03 | scenestar | sorry, ONCE YOU GO APT YOU NEVER GO BACK |
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| 14:58.30 | Flimzy | k31th: haha... that's a good one, too. But I'm not that rude :P |
| 14:58.33 | scenestar | im gonna order a nice new dedicated server for my work projects |
| 14:58.40 | scenestar | they gave me a FBSD server |
| 14:58.42 | scenestar | but i can use it |
| 14:58.54 | scenestar | i hate ports |
| 14:59.04 | k31th | scenestar: why |
| 14:59.13 | scenestar | but, right now im installing debian etch on my asus a6k laptop |
| 14:59.43 | scenestar | the installer automatically detects the chipset itself, but im assuming i cant yet add the firmware |
| 14:59.49 | scenestar | can someone confirm ? |
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| 15:00.50 | scenestar | anyways, im really starting to hate all those ubuntu fags |
| 15:01.00 | scenestar | theyre like the retarded brother of gentoo ricers |
| 15:01.29 | blondie | poor you |
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| 15:01.43 | scenestar | yes, i am a very bitter man |
| 15:01.44 | k31th | Would you guys use shorewall or just use iptables? |
| 15:01.44 | streuner | scenestar: "wireless: working with ndiswrapper and WinXP64 driver or with open source drivers." |
| 15:01.53 | scenestar | opensource |
| 15:01.57 | scenestar | native kernel module |
| 15:02.01 | streuner | scenestar: http://www.maxxer.it/?page=a6k |
| 15:02.21 | bintut | scenestar and tarzeau: do you have any idea if the spadmin tool has been excluded to the release of the openoffice.org in debian etch? |
| 15:02.35 | scenestar | isnt that for 64bit gentoo and with ndiswrapper\ |
| 15:02.50 | streuner | scenestar: yeah, but it should work with debian too |
| 15:02.50 | scenestar | bintut, not sure im still installing ;) |
| 15:03.29 | scenestar | bintut just build your own package from source if its excluded |
| 15:03.34 | tarzeau | bintut: no idea, i haven't needed it for many years |
| 15:03.36 | bintut | scenestar: ok.. please tell me if you have the spadmin tool.. |
| 15:03.41 | cydork | bintut: check p.d.o or /msg dpkg search |
| 15:03.44 | streuner | scenestar: the proceture to extract the firmware should be the same... |
| 15:03.49 | scenestar | ya |
| 15:03.51 | scenestar | i know that |
| 15:03.53 | tarzeau | bintut: try dpkg -L pkg | grep spadmin or the search tool on packages.debian.org |
| 15:04.01 | streuner | good, what you waiting for? |
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| 15:04.03 | scenestar | but im was talking during install |
| 15:04.05 | bintut | ok |
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| 15:04.21 | scenestar | screw it |
| 15:04.28 | scenestar | ill just hook it up to some cat5 for now |
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| 15:09.51 | cr3 | if my init.d script has Default-Start: S in an INIT INFO header, why doesn't update-rc.d defaults not create a symlink in /etc/rcS.d |
| 15:12.21 | Flimzy | If I have a debian repository set up that contains a small subset of the official debian packages, is there an easy way to, perhaps nightly, automatically update those pacakges only from an official testing mirror? |
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| 15:13.17 | cr3 | Flimzy: do repositories have rsync access? |
| 15:13.35 | Flimzy | cr3: My repository doesn't exist yet. But I can do whatever I want with it. |
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| 15:15.21 | cr3 | Flimzy: I mean, the "official testing mirrors", do they have rsync access? you could rsync your repository against that one, perhaps with the --existing option. |
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| 15:15.46 | cr3 | that would only update the subset you happen to have on your own repository |
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| 15:21.22 | laurens_ | hi |
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| 15:22.20 | h3xis | hi |
| 15:22.57 | Flimzy | cr3: Oh... I dunno |
| 15:23.48 | scenestar | enough trolling in #ubuntu for today |
| 15:23.52 | scenestar | god i hate them |
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| 15:26.15 | cr3 | scenestar: we should just all hold hands and get along together. debian folks should be happy that #ubuntu is attracting folks that would otherwise be distracting in #debian. the reciprocal is probably true, the #ubuntu folks are probably happy to have so many people starting with Linux. it's all good! |
| 15:26.18 | dragonfly | has there been any word on a target release date for etch? |
| 15:26.22 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 15:26.23 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 15:26.40 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 15:26.47 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:26.58 | stew | diff: added wwer |
| 15:27.06 | scenestar | i tried the installer today |
| 15:27.13 | wols_ | as if anyone reads the topic :) |
| 15:27.19 | scenestar | i should probably file a bug report |
| 15:27.21 | scenestar | -_- |
| 15:27.22 | abrotman | what's a topic? |
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| 15:27.36 | tarzeau | Flimzy: i wouldn't do that automatically |
| 15:27.36 | wols_ | some sort of useless ornament |
| 15:27.40 | dragonfly | !wir |
| 15:27.40 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 15:27.45 | wols_ | supposedly makes channels prettier |
| 15:27.45 | scenestar | abrotman: that line of text that gives your pr0n links when you enter the chan |
| 15:27.48 | dragonfly | !siyh |
| 15:27.48 | tarzeau | Flimzy: testing packages are known to break |
| 15:27.48 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
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| 15:28.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: like tropic without r |
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| 15:31.34 | XChatTer | hello |
| 15:31.48 | XChatTer | how may I boot my system from the Debian etch iso? |
| 15:32.01 | XChatTer | in orderd to avoid burning the CD |
| 15:32.14 | Shadowcat | why don't you want to burn it? |
| 15:32.28 | scenestar | maybe his parents died in a fire |
| 15:32.37 | amee2k | how can i convert ascii to postscript? |
| 15:32.40 | madclicker | kernel 2.6.16 and 2.6.17 got into etch way faster than 2.6.18, is there a reason for the long delay? |
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| 15:32.50 | tarzeau | amee2k: a2ps? |
| 15:32.59 | scenestar | madclicker not that i know of? |
| 15:33.01 | scenestar | oh wait |
| 15:33.02 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 15:33.08 | scenestar | yeah here's a hint |
| 15:33.09 | Aladin | What are the criteria to evaluate a patent in view of putting a regarding package to main or non-free (Example: mp3-codec vs progress bar). |
| 15:33.14 | Shadowcat | scenestar: pick another day to be a smartass please |
| 15:33.21 | amee2k | will try, ty |
| 15:33.37 | XChatTer | scenestar, what are you saying? I would answer you bad but I don't :@ |
| 15:33.41 | XChatTer | I didn't like your answer |
| 15:33.42 | wols_ | Aladin: licensing conditions of that patnent |
| 15:33.42 | XChatTer | :@ |
| 15:33.54 | Shadowcat | XChatTer: again, why don't you want to burn a cd? |
| 15:34.04 | Shadowcat | because HD booting the iso is a PITA |
| 15:34.06 | wols_ | Shadowcat: saving 50c |
| 15:34.20 | scenestar | madclicker : the dev team decided that etch would be released with 2.6.17 |
| 15:34.22 | Shadowcat | what did I say about smartasses? |
| 15:34.31 | XChatTer | because booting from a hard disk is faster |
| 15:34.34 | tarzeau | scenestar: are you sure? |
| 15:34.35 | wols_ | that you're the biggest one around? |
| 15:34.42 | Shadowcat | XChatTer: err?? |
| 15:34.45 | scenestar | err |
| 15:34.49 | scenestar | tarzeau afaik |
| 15:34.51 | Shadowcat | !whack wols_ |
| 15:34.57 | wols_ | XChatTer: congrats for the stupidest reason given so far |
| 15:35.00 | scenestar | my meth habit is starting to rot out my brain |
| 15:35.03 | tarzeau | scenestar: i thought they go w/ 2.6.18 |
| 15:35.11 | Shadowcat | I agree with wols_ on that |
| 15:35.13 | scenestar | not sure |
| 15:35.17 | scenestar | and XChatTer |
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| 15:35.29 | scenestar | if you want to install from hd, try windows vista |
| 15:35.30 | wols_ | scenestar: it was planned to use 17 for etch but sometime this autumn I was under impression .18 was chosen |
| 15:35.31 | tarzeau | network booting is even faster |
| 15:35.41 | tarzeau | XChatTer: why not netboot/netinstall it? |
| 15:35.46 | wols_ | especially since .17 has some issues with newish harddisk controllers |
| 15:35.49 | Shadowcat | I don't see why he won't burn a cd |
| 15:35.59 | Shadowcat | and unless I get a good enough reason I'm not gonna explain how to hd boot to him |
| 15:35.59 | scenestar | tarzeau : becuz it r teH faster |
| 15:36.00 | tarzeau | that way you can even sell your optical device and make some extra money |
| 15:36.17 | XChatTer | thank you guys |
| 15:36.17 | stew | XChatTer: "/msg dpkg ig" the install guide gives you links on finding hard drive install media |
| 15:36.19 | XChatTer | I explain you |
| 15:36.22 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i'd like to know how to hd boot an iso image... |
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| 15:36.30 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: is that even possible? |
| 15:36.31 | scenestar | XChatTer please try #ubuntu |
| 15:36.40 | scenestar | people have more patience for bullshit reasons there |
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| 15:36.43 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: you mean boot an iso off an hd? |
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| 15:36.47 | Shadowcat | well of course it's "possible" |
| 15:36.49 | stew | XChatTer: #ubuntu isn't going to help him inststall debian |
| 15:36.55 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: yeah? i don't mean vmware/qemu |
| 15:36.58 | cydork | scenestar: .18 is the target for etch. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 15:37.02 | stew | scenestar: #ubuntu isn't going to help him inststall debian |
| 15:37.03 | XChatTer | I tried isoemu |
| 15:37.04 | scenestar | cydork ok |
| 15:37.17 | XChatTer | and it makes me boot from the debian etch iso |
| 15:37.20 | scenestar | let me think |
| 15:37.26 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: using grub? |
| 15:37.26 | XChatTer | but there is a problem |
| 15:37.29 | wols_ | tarzeau: should be possible with loadlin and such |
| 15:37.32 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 15:37.34 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: like i have an iso image on some filesystem? |
| 15:37.35 | XChatTer | the debian installer is not able to mount |
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| 15:37.42 | Shadowcat | XChatTer the deiban documentation describes how to HD boot |
| 15:37.44 | Shadowcat | GO READ T |
| 15:37.45 | tarzeau | wols_: i don't mean from dos. but windows xp or linux |
| 15:37.45 | scenestar | you could repartition your drive, mirror a debian install and later on whipe your current partition |
| 15:37.46 | Shadowcat | IT* |
| 15:37.53 | tarzeau | wols_: errr, from a boot manager like gnu grub |
| 15:37.53 | Shadowcat | debian even |
| 15:37.57 | Shadowcat | before someone beats me with that |
| 15:38.02 | scenestar | thats what i do with ssh installs |
| 15:38.08 | XChatTer | tarzeau, I'm asking the same thing :P |
| 15:38.18 | XChatTer | what a coincidence :D |
| 15:38.29 | Shadowcat | XChatTer: you're asking with a stupid reason and you haven't read the documentation |
| 15:38.31 | tarzeau | XChatTer: i don't know any boot loader that can do that |
| 15:38.47 | Shadowcat | there's a whole section on booting from the hd in the sarge install manual |
| 15:38.48 | stew | XChatTer: did you read the install guide? there is hd-media. you put that on a hard drive, with a .iso |
| 15:38.55 | Shadowcat | and probably the etch install manual |
| 15:38.56 | XChatTer | Shadowcat, there are lots of reasons |
| 15:39.07 | XChatTer | if I have different ISO images |
| 15:39.09 | stew | is there an etch install manual? |
| 15:39.10 | tarzeau | well i don't want to boot a linux kernel, but an iso image |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | cheapness is one :) |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | stew: draft .. yes |
| 15:39.16 | XChatTer | and I don't want to burn 'em all |
| 15:39.21 | Shadowcat | what abrotman said |
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| 15:39.33 | Shadowcat | XChatTer: there's somethign called a cdrw |
| 15:39.35 | Shadowcat | something* |
| 15:39.43 | scenestar | maybe he's just too cheap |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
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| 15:40.01 | Shadowcat | we should send him to #ubuntu, he seems like their kind of target audience |
| 15:40.03 | itguru | I just got an email, with an interesting question - Do wireless LAN cards support WOL?? |
| 15:40.18 | abrotman | i saw it somewhere else too |
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| 15:40.56 | abrotman | draft release notes too http://www.us.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ |
| 15:41.52 | Shadowcat | damnit abrotman |
| 15:41.55 | Shadowcat | look what you did |
| 15:41.59 | Shadowcat | you killed the conversation! |
| 15:42.01 | abrotman | i did ? |
| 15:42.08 | XChatTer | Shadowcat, yeah.. a cdrw... but it is still too slow |
| 15:42.14 | Shadowcat | slow? |
| 15:42.15 | Shadowcat | wtf |
| 15:42.26 | Shadowcat | are you reading it at 0.2x or something? |
| 15:42.27 | abrotman | oh .. looks like 2.6.18 will go into etch |
| 15:42.43 | Shadowcat | I really don't buy the "too slow" argument |
| 15:42.43 | scenestar | AND THE PEOPLE REJOICED |
| 15:42.45 | Shadowcat | it takes five min to load the bloody kernel into memory |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | madclicker: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html |
| 15:42.57 | abrotman | scenestar: are you drunk? |
| 15:43.03 | scenestar | no just plain bored |
| 15:43.03 | Shadowcat | if you're using the business card iso that's the last you'll ever see of the cd |
| 15:43.09 | Shadowcat | everything else is just repositories |
| 15:43.10 | stew | abrotman: yeah, on friday, vorlon was talking about moving it to etch very soon |
| 15:43.10 | scenestar | im reinstalling etch on a laptop |
| 15:43.16 | abrotman | stew: he's a slacker |
| 15:43.21 | scenestar | takes a while |
| 15:43.29 | Shadowcat | anyway |
| 15:43.34 | Shadowcat | I'll let you people duke this out |
| 15:43.42 | Shadowcat | there's a C++ book with my name on it |
| 15:43.56 | scenestar | uhm |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | stew: i'd guess it needs to happen within a week or so ? |
| 15:44.04 | scenestar | you a published author? |
| 15:44.06 | scenestar | :P |
| 15:44.15 | Shadowcat | scenestar: that means I gotta read the thing |
| 15:44.21 | Shadowcat | all 800 pages of it |
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| 15:45.22 | ribasushi | hello |
| 15:45.33 | ribasushi | does wodim write dvds? |
| 15:45.49 | stew | !when will etch release is also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html |
| 15:45.49 | dpkg | stew: what are you talking about? |
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| 15:45.59 | stew | !literal wwer |
| 15:45.59 | dpkg | "wwer" is "<reply> see when will etch release" |
| 15:46.03 | ribasushi | from what I could gather from the docs it should, but I get "CUE sheet not accepted" errors |
| 15:46.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:46.53 | abrotman | stew: easier to do =~ |
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| 15:47.00 | stew | abrotman: yeah, that's what i did in /msg |
| 15:47.03 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:48.03 | stew | ribasushi: yes, "apt-cache show wodim" |
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| 15:48.48 | ribasushi | stew: any ideas on what can cause my problems then? |
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| 15:49.06 | ribasushi | stew: the same recorder burns cds like a charm |
| 15:49.14 | stew | ribasushi: no idea |
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| 15:49.47 | RvGaTe | stew, just for interest... could you create a screenshot right now? |
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| 15:50.17 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:50.29 | stew | RvGaTe: my slightly out of date screenshot is http://vireo.org/tmp/screenshot.png |
| 15:50.43 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:51.05 | stew | though i recently switched from ion3 to wmii |
| 15:51.11 | RvGaTe | ... |
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| 15:52.31 | enouf | ribasushi: DVDs and CDs are different .. man growisofs for DVDs and see this as it pertains to .cue, .toc, and .bin files http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wiwimod/index.php?page=HOWTO+CD-IMAGES |
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| 15:53.28 | enouf | ribasushi: both wodim(cdrkit: which replaces cdrecord) and growisofs call mkisofs for their purposes .. AFAIK |
| 15:53.38 | ribasushi | enouf: I know that the iso composition is very different, but I have a downloaded 4gb dvd iso - do I still burn it with growisofs? |
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| 15:54.05 | enouf | ribasushi: absotively :-) .. or try k3b .. though I found k3b has a 4GB limit |
| 15:54.22 | enouf | ribasushi: so I use growisofs for all DVDs |
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| 15:54.52 | ribasushi | enouf: ok |
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| 15:55.05 | enouf | ribasushi: got dvd+rw-tools installed? .. also see the URL from within growisofs man page |
| 15:55.06 | stew | RvGaTe: updated |
| 15:55.09 | ribasushi | enouf: out of curiosity - what does the "DVD support" of wodim imply then? |
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| 15:55.46 | RvGaTe | stew, wth is that? :S |
| 15:55.54 | stew | RvGaTe: what? |
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| 15:56.11 | RvGaTe | stew, the window manager... wich one is it? looks so... boring... :P |
| 15:56.30 | stew | RvGaTe: wmii ; its more exciting than the previous screenshot though, right? |
| 15:56.39 | enouf | ribasushi: well .. I guess it's a frontend to mkisofs .. the way growisofs is .. haven't been keeping up on it lately .. try #debian-cdrkit maybe? .. i forget the name .. chack the mailing lists at lists.debian.org |
| 15:56.40 | RvGaTe | stew, true |
| 15:56.53 | RvGaTe | stew, cant believe you work like that |
| 15:57.30 | stew | RvGaTe: i can't believe other work with eye candy WMs that require you to use the mouse |
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| 15:58.10 | RvGaTe | stew, using a mouse is a bit more easyer then remembering shortcuts really.. :P |
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| 15:58.42 | ribasushi | RvGaTe: but it requires an additional hand :) |
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| 15:59.39 | RvGaTe | ri:) |
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| 16:00.50 | enouf | ribasushi: the channel is #cdrkit at irc.debian.org (same as irc.oftc.net) |
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| 16:02.20 | enouf | uses grow-3rd-arm-hand-fingers to use the rodent |
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| 16:06.21 | enouf | squashes the rodent with a sleadgehammer .. cuts off useless third arm |
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| 16:06.47 | enouf | opts for gear shifters instead :-) |
| 16:07.05 | madclicker | abrotman, so scenestar is yanking my yanker about 2.6.17? |
| 16:07.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:07.29 | esteel | * stew has a keyboard with footpedals |
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| 16:07.33 | esteel | hmm i could use that for emacs too :P |
| 16:07.47 | madclicker | that would be a shame if 2.6.17 is default with all the new hardware support on 2.6.18 |
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| 16:08.49 | jeremy_c | How hard is it to upgrade between major releases? i.e. debian 3.1 to 4.0 when it comes out? I am purchasing a dedicated server and they will be installing debian 3.1, just wondering. |
| 16:09.17 | wols_ | imho debian is probably the best linux distro for this |
| 16:09.21 | esteel | jeremy_c: just update /etc/apt/sources and aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 16:09.42 | esteel | then wait till its finished.. voila new system :) |
| 16:09.45 | wols_ | debian is designed for this unlike many others which like to sell you <newest version> |
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| 16:09.48 | pipeline | jeremy_c: As long as you use Apache 2, no, it should be easy :P |
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| 16:10.08 | jeremy_c | pipeline: I'll be using Lighttpd actually. |
| 16:10.12 | cydork | stew: where can i get one? :P |
| 16:10.37 | eps | when I use compiz my background is like a grey screenshot of what the desktop looked like when I started compiz..any suggestions on a fix |
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| 16:11.04 | stew | cydork: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/ |
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| 16:11.24 | pipeline | jeremy_c: I just meant don't use apache 1, as it's being shitcanned. |
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| 16:11.31 | jeremy_c | pipeline: k |
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| 16:12.46 | cydork | stew: ooooh thats amazing .. :) |
| 16:12.47 | stew | pipeline: huh? apache1 is being removed? |
| 16:12.47 | esteel | eps: sorry no idea.. its running fine here. |
| 16:12.53 | eps | righto |
| 16:12.54 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 16:13.07 | LinuxHelp | Hi. I just installed usplash in debs testing, and I'm getting this error every time I run it (and indeed every time my computer starts up): chdir: No such file or directory # Of course it doesnt actually tell which directory cant be found.. |
| 16:13.15 | bintut | is there an option in apt-get to force install a package? |
| 16:13.36 | eps | I finally worked out why the window boarders weren't working for those wanting to know the solution; you need to add 'decoration' into your gconf -> apps -> compiz options for loaded modules |
| 16:13.45 | stew | bintut: why do you think you need to force it? |
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| 16:14.16 | bintut | stew: i'm trying to install the packages in http://boisson.homeip.net/amd64/beryl/binary-amd64/binary-amd64/ |
| 16:14.45 | bintut | stew: and i'm getting dependency problems with libwnck and other packages |
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| 16:15.35 | stew | bintut: show us the actual output with the dependency problems, use a pastebin |
| 16:17.33 | LinuxHelp | " if I strace usplash it is trying to chdir to /dev/.initramfs, which does not exist here." Well thats great program design! I mean basically then usplash has no advantages over the kernel bootsplash patch. So now I'm doomed to spend the rest of my days trying to get an initramfs working :/ |
| 16:17.54 | RvGaTe | !ping |
| 16:17.54 | dpkg | pong |
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| 16:18.22 | dimir | !bong |
| 16:18.23 | dpkg | bong is probably like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
| 16:18.33 | dimir | !song |
| 16:19.23 | bintut | stew: http://paste.debian.net/17799 |
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| 16:21.39 | eps | esteel that fixed the going grey problem (moved stuff from device to one of the other areas) |
| 16:21.54 | eps | still a weird desktop screen shot as the back ground though |
| 16:22.04 | eps | note there are several apps openw hen I start compiz |
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| 16:23.33 | eps | :) |
| 16:23.58 | pipeline | stew: There are mumblings within apache to that tune. When upstream support is gone, how long can it remain in debian? I wouldn't be very surprised if etch+1 lacked apache 1. |
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| 16:25.28 | RvGaTe | im off |
| 16:25.29 | RvGaTe | cya |
| 16:25.43 | esteel | ciao RvGaTe |
| 16:26.04 | esteel | eps: hmm sorry, really no idea this time :) |
| 16:26.42 | eps | all good, I'm under the impression (from reading some blogs) that once metacity is in most of it will work in a more civil fashion |
| 16:26.58 | eps | 2.16* |
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| 16:27.20 | eps | if nto i'll just try beryle |
| 16:27.21 | eps | -e |
| 16:28.03 | stew | bintut: try apt-get -f install |
| 16:28.17 | stew | pipeline: sure, but that doesn't affect him going from 3.1 to 4.0 |
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| 16:30.57 | bintut | stew: it just removes the beryl packages |
| 16:31.23 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: hey |
| 16:31.27 | stew | bintut: try aptitude |
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| 16:32.11 | bintut | stew: aptitude -f install ? |
| 16:32.31 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:32.32 | stew | bintut: yeah, or try the aptitude frontend |
| 16:32.32 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: today i got an intel lan card and it works perfectly :) |
| 16:32.37 | abrotman | see :) |
| 16:32.55 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: thanks for the help mate.. :) |
| 16:32.59 | pipeline | stew: I'm futureproof :P |
| 16:33.01 | abrotman | yep |
| 16:33.30 | stew | pipeline: when apache1 goes away i'm going to have a lot of work to do |
| 16:33.31 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: u use unstable ? |
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| 16:34.17 | madclicker | abrotman, from the email i gather that etch is in RC mode? |
| 16:34.39 | Ronin | Linux_Freek: he is unstable |
| 16:34.54 | Linux_Freek | heh |
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| 16:35.14 | Linux_Freek | Ronin: i have a problem with etch can u help ? |
| 16:35.30 | stew | Linux_Freek: if you have a question, just ask the channel |
| 16:35.39 | pipeline | stew: That would be a reason to be thinking about it now :P |
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| 16:35.46 | Linux_Freek | no one seems to solve it |
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| 16:36.10 | Ronin | then be patient and ask again in a proper amount of time |
| 16:36.18 | pickcoder | modprobe crystal_ball |
| 16:36.21 | abrotman | Linux_Freek: 'u' is NOT a word |
| 16:36.27 | bintut | stew: i can't install it.. |
| 16:36.27 | stew | it is in dutch |
| 16:36.39 | stew | bintut: ask the beryl package maintainer then |
| 16:36.46 | Linux_Freek | gnome-volume-manager --sm-disable This line is always present in my sessios-> starup programs and comes back even if i delete it |
| 16:36.46 | pickcoder | stew: dutch is spoken here? |
| 16:36.52 | abrotman | madclicker: kind of ... /msg dpkg wwer .. to see how they think it's coming along |
| 16:37.06 | bintut | stew: ok.. |
| 16:37.28 | Linux_Freek | it mutes my sound mixer each time i reboot.. |
| 16:37.42 | Linux_Freek | how do i stop that ? |
| 16:37.44 | stew | Linux_Freek: unmute, then "alsactl store" |
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| 16:38.13 | Linux_Freek | stew: i don`t have a command alsactl |
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| 16:38.24 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: ya... sorry |
| 16:38.31 | stew | Linux_Freek: are you using oss or alsa? |
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| 16:38.41 | Linux_Freek | stew: alsa i guess |
| 16:38.55 | stew | Linux_Freek: run "alsactl store" as root |
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| 16:39.17 | Linux_Freek | stew: no command there as well |
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| 16:39.26 | stew | Linux_Freek: aptitude install alsa-utils |
| 16:39.36 | Linux_Freek | stew: can i install it using apt ? |
| 16:39.43 | stew | Linux_Freek: sure |
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| 16:40.09 | stew | Linux_Freek: wait. how are you unmuting? |
| 16:40.21 | stew | Linux_Freek: which mixer are you using? |
| 16:40.37 | Linux_Freek | stew: gnome volume manager |
| 16:40.57 | Linux_Freek | i just increase the volume each time |
| 16:40.58 | stew | Linux_Freek: huh? g-v-m doens't have anything to do with audio |
| 16:41.08 | Linux_Freek | gnome-volume-manager --sm-disable |
| 16:41.25 | Linux_Freek | This is what mutes all the mixer channels |
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| 16:41.37 | stew | gnome-volume-manager - GNOME daemon to auto-mount and manage media devices |
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| 16:42.09 | CaBiDe | Anybody have a frontend for administration of cyrus with OpenLdap? |
| 16:42.16 | abrotman | stew: it's an applet .. it's like gnome-volume or something |
| 16:42.26 | abrotman | CaBiDe: try asking #ldap or #cyrus |
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| 16:42.58 | Linux_Freek | stew: alsa-utils installed.. |
| 16:43.56 | gypsymauro | I've installed debian etch on a laptop but fans are almost always turned on. I've installed cpufreqd but it's always at top |
| 16:44.48 | abrotman | is acpi installed ? |
| 16:45.26 | CaBiDe | :( |
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| 16:46.07 | Gromgull | on my newly installed "testing" machine inserted USB keys etc will automagically be mounted , whereas on my old "dist-upgraded to testing" machine this is missing - what packages/config changes do I need to make this happen? |
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| 16:46.07 | gypsymauro | abrotman: acpi and acpi-support yes |
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| 16:47.44 | harm | is it possible to install 2.6.18-xen kernel into etch? |
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| 16:48.34 | Linux_Freek | stew: it worked :) Thanks ! |
| 16:48.37 | harm | using the xen packages from sid? |
| 16:49.20 | Linux_Freek | stew: but do i have to run alsactl store each time i change the mixer settings ? what about the other users ? |
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| 16:50.41 | stew | Linux_Freek: run "alsactl store" anytime you want to change the mixer settings that will be applied at boot time. it is set system-wide, so you do not need to do it for otehr users. |
| 16:50.52 | Linux_Freek | Fine.. |
| 16:51.12 | Linux_Freek | stew: thanks mate.. |
| 16:51.46 | Linux_Freek | stew this has been happening from the install .. does this happen to everyone ? |
| 16:52.00 | stew | Linux_Freek: yes |
| 16:52.06 | Linux_Freek | is it a default set by debian devs ? |
| 16:52.20 | Linux_Freek | Oh..ok |
| 16:52.21 | stew | Linux_Freek: no, by the alsa devs |
| 16:52.28 | Linux_Freek | ok. |
| 16:52.36 | Linux_Freek | bye guys.. thanks again |
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| 16:53.05 | neoalex | has anyone here worked with a ts7300 board? |
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| 16:56.27 | abrotman | gypsymauro: and acpid ? |
| 16:56.30 | harm | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.58 | SlayerXP | harm: there's no technical reason why not, no |
| 16:57.21 | harm | SlayerXP, can you tell how to do this then? do i need to upgrade my entire system? |
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| 16:57.54 | SlayerXP | harm: start by reading the xen docs and choose whether to use packages or the xen tarball. |
| 16:58.10 | harm | SlayerXP, ofcourse I already did this |
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| 16:58.25 | harm | however there seems to be a bug in 2.6.17 debian binary kernel |
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| 16:58.32 | harm | which is solved in 2.6.18 |
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| 16:58.49 | harm | however there is no package for it in etch yet |
| 16:58.56 | harm | but there is in 'sid' |
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| 16:59.14 | harm | so my question is, can I use the Sid packages in Etch? |
| 16:59.17 | freebse | hi, I got a dumb question, I can not remember the name of an application, it displays CPU speed etc and weather on the desktop... |
| 16:59.29 | harm | without updating the entire system |
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| 16:59.38 | freebse | while writing... forget it, it is gkrellm |
| 16:59.40 | freebse | :) |
| 16:59.46 | harm | is that possible? |
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| 17:00.06 | Ronin | harm: simple sid backports |
| 17:00.10 | plutonas | freebse: to find the name of an app, give apropos purpose |
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| 17:00.20 | plutonas | for example: apropos cpu frequency |
| 17:00.31 | harm | Ronin, can you explain a bit further? where should i look? |
| 17:01.31 | Ronin | !tell harm about backports |
| 17:01.41 | abrotman | /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 17:02.19 | Roey | abrotman: hey there |
| 17:02.23 | abrotman | hi |
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| 17:03.09 | Roey | abrotman: I went to check out this postgrey package's configuration, but it wasn't under /etc/postgrey/; instead, the documetnation said to modify /etc/default/postgrey. Why does Debian have two places for configuration? |
| 17:03.23 | freebse | plutonas: yes right, well I found it, so |
| 17:03.54 | stew | Roey: /etc/default/foo is the place for local settings for the foo init.d script |
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| 17:05.12 | Mitja | Can kdegames be removed without removing entire kde? |
| 17:05.17 | abrotman | kde is a metapackage |
| 17:05.51 | Roey | stew: oh, ok. |
| 17:06.09 | Mitja | abrotman what does that mean the actual kde isn't going to be removed? |
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| 17:06.51 | freebse | Mitja: just remove kdegames |
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| 17:07.01 | Mitja | freebse but apt has to remove kde as well |
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| 17:07.07 | abrotman | Mitja: right |
| 17:07.11 | abrotman | !info kde etch |
| 17:07.16 | DavidProck1982 | yo i figure out why the nvidia one liner will not work, it is simple as to why it dont work |
| 17:07.17 | DavidProck1982 | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable) |
| 17:07.17 | stew | Mitja: the "kde" package doesn't provide any functionality, its just a metapackage that exists to pull in lots of other kde packages via dependencies, so in removing it you don't lose anything |
| 17:07.23 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 17:07.33 | abrotman | Mitja: notice the installed size |
| 17:07.35 | Mitja | stew ah, thanks :) |
| 17:07.36 | freebse | Mitja: I just tried, I can remove kdegames without touching kde |
| 17:08.01 | DavidProck1982 | instead of doing it all in one line i ran the commands seperatly and on the line....... |
| 17:08.02 | Kevin` | 40kb wtf? that's a lot if I want to install kde on a floppy disk or something where space is tight.. |
| 17:08.13 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:08.17 | freebse | Mitja: no excuse me, it does in fact remove kde ??? |
| 17:08.45 | Mitja | nah, it's just a metapackage |
| 17:09.07 | freebse | I sse |
| 17:09.10 | freebse | see |
| 17:09.11 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone actually use floppies anymore? |
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| 17:09.34 | abrotman | i do |
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| 17:09.59 | freebse | <CharminTheMoose> sometimes, when old data is needed |
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| 17:10.03 | CharminTheMoose | do any modern compootors come with floppy drives? |
| 17:10.09 | abrotman | i build ours with them |
| 17:10.11 | CharminTheMoose | anymore? |
| 17:10.24 | DavidProck1982 | m-a a-i nvidia it say installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed ignoreing this package maby you need to add something to the sources list, maby the contrib and non-free archives |
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| 17:10.28 | abrotman | for a case just like i'm facing now with a laptop with no floppy but i need the damn drivers for the sata controller |
| 17:10.45 | freebse | <CharminTheMoose> no I don't think so... some maybe... I haven't seen one in ages |
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| 17:10.57 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: you can order them that way if you choose |
| 17:11.21 | DavidProck1982 | now my question is how do i edit the sources list with out a GUI |
| 17:11.32 | abrotman | vi |
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| 17:12.05 | debianito2 | or nano |
| 17:12.06 | pipeline | DavidProck1982: You have to set the CC environment variable to the correct GCC version. |
| 17:12.20 | DavidProck1982 | how |
| 17:12.23 | freebse | or emacs :) lol |
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| 17:13.10 | freebse | <DavidProck1982> man vi |
| 17:13.11 | petemc | while : ; do echo "'#debian is not #ubuntu!" ; done |
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| 17:13.51 | freebse | haha lol |
| 17:15.08 | DavidProck1982 | how do i exit vi |
| 17:15.22 | petemc | esc :q! |
| 17:15.53 | possie | how can i reconfigure apt in order to fill in proxy settings? i tried dpkg-reconfigure apt |
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| 17:16.16 | DavidProck1982 | esc & q & esc+q both dont work |
| 17:16.28 | valdyn | possie: apt-get respects the http_proxy environment variable |
| 17:16.31 | DavidProck1982 | it say recording |
| 17:16.53 | zinx | David: esc :q! |
| 17:16.56 | DavidProck1982 | and ctrl+c dont work ither |
| 17:16.58 | zinx | David: the colon and the ! are important. |
| 17:17.08 | possie | valdyn, but during install of debian, it asks to use a proxy server |
| 17:17.24 | DavidProck1982 | oh cool thanks |
| 17:17.38 | valdyn | possie: what has that to do with apt? |
| 17:18.41 | valdyn | possie: i have no idea what you really want |
| 17:19.20 | possie | valdyn, during installation of debian, the apt configurator asks for the proxy settings for apt, and it stores it into apt.conf i thought, i would like to reconfigure apt that way |
| 17:19.38 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Maybe look to 'vimtutor' |
| 17:19.51 | DavidProck1982 | yo all of them in the sources.list all ready have main non-free contrib |
| 17:19.55 | valdyn | possie: man apt.conf |
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| 17:20.03 | DavidProck1982 | so now that is going on |
| 17:20.38 | possie | valdyn, hehehe |
| 17:20.53 | DavidProck1982 | and when i do m-a a-i nvidia it say installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed ignoreing this package maby you need to add something to the sources list, maby the contrib and non-free archives |
| 17:20.54 | possie | valdyn, i asked todo it via dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:21.09 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Which release run you? |
| 17:21.09 | valdyn | possie: you cant, its part of d-i |
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| 17:21.58 | DavidProck1982 | the net install of etch / testing, build on Dec |
| 17:21.59 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Did you apt-get update before? |
| 17:22.16 | DavidProck1982 | ya ill do it again one sec |
| 17:22.26 | cydork | possie: man apt.conf |
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| 17:22.47 | BleSS | hi! |
| 17:22.49 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You just need to do that, when you change the sources.list and to get the new packages list (the new version numbers of apps (if you want)) |
| 17:22.58 | BleSS | I don't know if is better create: logical partition -> crypto volume -> LVM VG -> logical volumes or |
| 17:22.59 | BleSS | logical partition -> LVM VG -> logical volumes -> crypto volume (in each LV) ? |
| 17:23.16 | BleSS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.56 | itchi | Was nvidia stuff not removed of the Etch branch? |
| 17:24.12 | DavidProck1982 | the nvidia source still fails |
| 17:24.42 | cydork | itchi: yep! you cant install it the debian way. |
| 17:24.43 | itchi | DavidProck1982: I not find these to here |
| 17:24.53 | DavidProck1982 | huh |
| 17:25.01 | itchi | cydork: We had need to get the unstable stuff of it?? |
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| 17:25.37 | cydork | itchi: well if you need to... yes. I am happy with nv :P |
| 17:25.40 | DavidProck1982 | when u typed ""I not find these to here"" did u make a grammer-O |
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| 17:26.49 | itchi | DavidProck1982: I'm not yet right with English, if you want to know :-) It's not my native language, 4th |
| 17:27.16 | cahoot | DavidProck1982: you being ok? |
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| 17:27.26 | DavidProck1982 | tell me what to do "m-a a-i nvidia" the nvidia-kernel-source source failed |
| 17:28.12 | itchi | DavidProck1982: If i remember you need to get the unstable source of it. _If_ you realy need too |
| 17:28.13 | DavidProck1982 | ok, how |
| 17:28.30 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Is it an test box? |
| 17:28.37 | DavidProck1982 | unstable is better than nothing at all |
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| 17:28.55 | DavidProck1982 | yes etch /testing |
| 17:29.14 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Keep in mind _unstalbe_, and you been aware of it, take of unstable then |
| 17:29.19 | itchi | shit |
| 17:29.51 | DavidProck1982 | dont want the hole thing unstable just need the nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 17:30.19 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Add an unstable source line in the sources.list then apt-get update, do your stuff there with m-a an #comment the unstable source line in the sources.list |
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| 17:31.06 | itchi | DavidProck1982: ... after your done with m-a, you need to remove the unstable source line, not install some stuff other than you need |
| 17:31.22 | CharminTheMoose | what's the latest version of the gpl? |
| 17:31.38 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: 2? |
| 17:32.16 | h3sp4wn | nvidia-kernel-source is the binary package though is it not ? nvidia-graphics-drivers is the source package |
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| 17:32.21 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: oh no, 3 it's looks now |
| 17:32.53 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: Looks like it's 2 month's old |
| 17:32.54 | cydork | itchi: 3 is not released yet afaik |
| 17:33.40 | itchi | Im on http://gplv3.fsf.org/, yeah need to read :-p |
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| 17:34.27 | Vir0aX-andy | how can I hide a user ? ( in /home ) ? |
| 17:34.33 | itchi | woooaaa ... In fifteen years of use, version 2 of the GNU General Public License ... That rule man |
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| 17:35.38 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: What does it mean to hide a user? |
| 17:35.40 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: you can't |
| 17:35.51 | Vir0aX-andy | to don"t see it in /home :p |
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| 17:36.01 | zinx | Vir0aX-andy: don't put it in /home |
| 17:36.01 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: I've never seen a user in /home. |
| 17:36.02 | Vir0aX-andy | stew can I install something in /etc so ? |
| 17:36.04 | DavidProck1982 | what the holy fuck, im tring to type in vi and it is going fucking crazy in my sources.list HOW CAN I MAKE SURE IT DONT SAVE |
| 17:36.09 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: I occasionally see home directories there... |
| 17:36.12 | DerJamster | Vir0aX-andy: you can't. You can however make sure other users can't enter the directory. |
| 17:36.12 | Vir0aX-andy | zinx howtodo ? |
| 17:36.13 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: And you can't hide those. |
| 17:36.17 | zinx | Vir0aX-andy: Just don't. |
| 17:36.19 | DerJamster | DavidProck1982: :q! |
| 17:36.25 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: rtfm |
| 17:36.33 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: or use a different editor |
| 17:36.41 | itchi | DavidProck1982: esc :q! |
| 17:36.51 | stew | DavidProck1982: maybe you should try nano instead |
| 17:36.52 | penrod | greetings, I have a debian box that is playing "fur elise" I have checked for root kits and the system comes up clean, any ideas where this coming from ? |
| 17:36.59 | Vir0aX-andy | How can I change the directory of a user ? ( not /home so ) |
| 17:37.02 | Ronin | DavidProck1982: man vi |
| 17:37.02 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: i'm not sure I understand what you are asking? |
| 17:37.07 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Look to 'vimtutor' it's about vim but realy useful and helful |
| 17:37.12 | DerJamster | penrod: ....what the heck? :) It's playing it via your soundcard? |
| 17:37.21 | Flimzy | penrod: How exactly did you check for rootkits? |
| 17:37.22 | Vir0aX-andy | stew I want to install something which can't be seen |
| 17:37.29 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: you can't |
| 17:37.40 | penrod | DerJamster: no soundcard in system, no gui, jusrt cli |
| 17:37.42 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Maybe use nano at this stage ;-) |
| 17:37.46 | Vir0aX-andy | stew I can't install something in /etc/apt ? =) |
| 17:37.46 | DerJamster | penrod: and it's playing it..how? |
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| 17:37.48 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: Unix has no concept of "hidden files" (except dot files... but those really aren't hidden) |
| 17:37.57 | valdyn | penrod: no root kits being found means nothing more than it sais |
| 17:38.03 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: install what? |
| 17:38.04 | penrod | I downloaded and ran rkrootkithunter |
| 17:38.11 | penrod | and chrootkit |
| 17:38.13 | Vir0aX-andy | stew a eggdrop |
| 17:38.21 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: apt-get install eggdrop |
| 17:38.21 | Flimzy | penrod: How is it playing a song if it has no sound card? |
| 17:38.25 | madclicker | hey guysm how do i remove RAID device in installation of etch? (partitioning) part |
| 17:38.28 | Vir0aX-andy | stew okay |
| 17:38.40 | penrod | it is playing through the speaker |
| 17:38.49 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: are you trying to install an eggdrop in such a way as the system owner won't be able to tell its there? |
| 17:38.52 | DerJamster | penrod: welllll...strange. |
| 17:39.02 | valdyn | penrod: you're compromised, reinstall |
| 17:39.09 | penrod | DerJmaster : my thoughts exactly |
| 17:39.13 | Vir0aX-andy | stew yes because IRC is forbidden by my provider XD |
| 17:39.19 | Flimzy | penrod: Then you must have the speaker-as-sound-card driver installed (don't remember what that's called) |
| 17:39.25 | DavidProck1982 | look i need the GOD DAMN nvidia-kernel-source , how can i get it, in my souece list it say etch main non-free contrib |
| 17:39.35 | valdyn | !etch nvidia |
| 17:39.36 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 17:39.38 | zinx | David: it's not in etch |
| 17:39.38 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: Hiding your eggdrop files will not hide the fact that you're using IRC. |
| 17:39.38 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: find a different provider |
| 17:39.56 | Vir0aX-andy | stew no! |
| 17:39.57 | Vir0aX-andy | :D |
| 17:40.14 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: Your options are a) get another provider b) don't use eggdrop. |
| 17:40.19 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: but since xorg is in etch now you can probably use the latest version |
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| 17:40.26 | Vir0aX-andy | Flimqy I want a eggdrop |
| 17:40.26 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: How much do you pay for your current provider? |
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| 17:40.32 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: apt-get install eggdrop |
| 17:40.36 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: I want a supermodel to marry me. |
| 17:40.40 | Vir0aX-andy | Flimzy 19€ |
| 17:40.44 | Vir0aX-andy | sre |
| 17:40.52 | DavidProck1982 | HOW |
| 17:40.53 | Vir0aX-andy | stew and where is the eggdrop.conf with that ? |
| 17:40.59 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: /etc |
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| 17:41.09 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: I'll sell you an IRC-able shell for less than that. |
| 17:41.24 | Vir0aX-andy | Flimqy I have a root server with 100 mbits :) |
| 17:41.32 | DerJamster | penrod: check the running processes for a moment. slap the output of 'ps afx' on some nopaste site. |
| 17:41.38 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You need to add deb-src http://ftp.tiscali.be/pub/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 17:41.38 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: I'll sell you an IRCable root server for less than that. |
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| 17:41.50 | valdyn | itchi: hell no |
| 17:41.58 | Vir0aX-andy | Flimqy witha 160go SATA HD :p |
| 17:42.03 | DavidProck1982 | with what editor BESIDES vi |
| 17:42.12 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: nano |
| 17:42.13 | stew | DavidProck1982: nano |
| 17:42.15 | itchi | valdyn: He want the unstable version of the nvidia source stuff there |
| 17:42.19 | WifiBrain | I'll soon find out |
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| 17:42.48 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: I get my root server for US$15/mo |
| 17:42.49 | valdyn | itchi: yea, i see that, he doesnt want to just add unstable sources though, but he's to clueless to know that |
| 17:42.55 | zamaliphe | dos any one know a book or info about dev internet apps in linux using (c) language ? |
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| 17:43.04 | Vir0aX-andy | Flimzy address ? :p |
| 17:43.20 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: If you have your own physical machine, then why are you trying to hide your files? |
| 17:43.31 | itchi | valdyn: Yup, that's right, i have insist too, about unstable branch, about that he know |
| 17:43.42 | penrod | DerJamster: http://pastebin.ca/267160 |
| 17:43.43 | Vir0aX-andy | Flimqy because IRC is forbidden by my provider |
| 17:43.53 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: You're totally missing my question. |
| 17:44.03 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: Hiding the files ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT hide the fact that you're using IRC |
| 17:44.06 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: as soon as you start making outgoing port 6667 connections from your machine, they are going to know... |
| 17:44.19 | Vir0aX-andy | maybe ^^ |
| 17:44.23 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: Even if it did, though, you have your own physical server... so where your files are doesn't matter. They can't look at it. SO WHY BOTHER TRYING TO HIDE IT? |
| 17:44.31 | Vir0aX-andy | do you think the provider has a system to see ? |
| 17:44.37 | valdyn | zamaliphe: any unix c programming book should do |
| 17:44.49 | Vir0aX-andy | Flimzy for provider d"ont see |
| 17:44.52 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: If they have a policy against IRC, they most likely have IRC ports blocked on their firewall. At the very least, they will monitor those ports. |
| 17:45.07 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: The provider can't see your filesystem anyway, dude. |
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| 17:45.16 | stew | Vir0aX-andy: yes, they absolutly will ahve a router/firewall |
| 17:45.21 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: and they undoubtedly don't CARE about your filesystem. |
| 17:45.34 | Vir0aX-andy | okay |
| 17:45.49 | Vir0aX-andy | there is a way to use another port ? :p |
| 17:46.01 | Flimzy | Vir0aX-andy: Not in a useful way. |
| 17:46.11 | Vir0aX-andy | shit :( |
| 17:46.44 | valdyn | Vir0aX-andy: there is irc servers accessible on different ports |
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| 17:47.48 | DerJamster | penrod: one sec.. |
| 17:48.48 | Vir0aX-andy | valdyn yes but not my just 6667 and 6669 |
| 17:48.48 | valdyn | Vir0aX-andy: you can also use ssl irc, irc.oftc.net is accessible on 6667-6670 and 7000 |
| 17:48.48 | DavidProck1982 | god damn it it still fucking fails |
| 17:48.48 | DerJamster | penrod: looks clean there, so yes...yes, you got something weird running. does it play it all the time? |
| 17:48.52 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: get someone who can read error messages and irc chat to help you |
| 17:49.09 | DavidProck1982 | i added the deb-src http://ftp.tiscali.be/pub/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 17:49.32 | zamaliphe | valdyn: name one please that help me to create a simple download tool ? |
| 17:49.35 | theHat | how can i know the file system from a partition ? |
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| 17:49.38 | penrod | DerJamster:fur elise plays in a loop |
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| 17:49.47 | itchi | DavidProck1982: And what did you exactly after adding that line? |
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| 17:50.26 | DavidProck1982 | after adding that line i aptitude update, you say get someone that can still read the error THIS IS THE ERROR m-a a-i nvidia it say installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed ignoreing this package maby you need to add something to the sources list, maby the contrib and non-free archives |
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| 17:51.02 | DavidProck1982 | installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed ignoreing this package maby you need to add something to the sources list, maby the contrib and non-free archives THAT IS THE FUCKING ERROR |
| 17:51.07 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You need to get the source of the -t unstable branche |
| 17:51.07 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: there's a real error message above, that 'maybe' indicates that m-a is just guessing |
| 17:51.30 | DavidProck1982 | NO NUMBER |
| 17:51.33 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: but you probably just didnt run apt-get update anyway |
| 17:51.54 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: ops, nm |
| 17:52.10 | DerJamster | penrod: yeah, completely reinstall the box. |
| 17:52.36 | itchi | valdyn: Need he not manually apt-get install source -t unstable nvidea-stuff? |
| 17:52.39 | DavidProck1982 | BRB |
| 17:52.52 | valdyn | itchi: yea |
| 17:52.58 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 17:52.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 17:53.02 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: ^^^^ |
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| 17:53.21 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: you already did 1) and 2), you need to do 3) |
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| 17:54.09 | DavidProck1982 | and what is 3, what is the command exzactly |
| 17:54.17 | madman215 | so sarge is pretty outdated right? |
| 17:54.19 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Open your eyes |
| 17:54.24 | penrod | DerJamster: That looks like the prudent thing to do. |
| 17:54.25 | valdyn | !etch nvidia |
| 17:54.26 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 17:54.30 | DavidProck1982 | so much text went by |
| 17:54.37 | bier__ | hi guys... got a problem with make-kpkg... i compiled a 2, |
| 17:55.06 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: read what dpkg said, you can just download complete packages and install those |
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| 17:55.21 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Use irssi as irc client ;-) |
| 17:55.36 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: after you installed those, you can run your m-a command |
| 17:55.42 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Much better as xchat or whatever there |
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| 17:56.05 | solars | hi, does anyone know if it is possible to send mail to local users directly when using ssmtp ? |
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| 17:56.20 | DerJamster | solars: mail blah@localhost |
| 17:56.42 | Phated | DavidProck1982: Have you maybe, like, added contrib and non-free to your sources? |
| 17:56.49 | bier__ | hi guys... got a problem with make-kpkg... i compiled a 2.6.19 kernel from kernel.org a few days ago. it just worked as expected. now i needed to change something, so i did a make menuconfig and just run make-kpkg again, but it told me: "nothing to be done" |
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| 17:57.08 | DerJamster | bier__: delete the debian and stamp-* dirs |
| 17:57.09 | DavidProck1982 | YES I HAVE Phated: DavidProck1982: Have you maybe, like, added contrib and non-free to your sources? |
| 17:57.10 | valdyn | bier__: you should run make-kpkg clean |
| 17:57.17 | DerJamster | bier__: or run that, yes ;) |
| 17:57.27 | bier__ | i ran make-kpkg clean, same thing: nothing to be done |
| 17:57.29 | solars | DerJamster, does ssmtp send it directly then ? |
| 17:57.29 | cydork | bier__: make-kpkg clean |
| 17:57.38 | DerJamster | solars: yes, locally. |
| 17:57.48 | solars | DerJamster, great thank you |
| 17:58.11 | bier__ | i even deleted the whole linux-2.6.19 directory, re-extracted the linux-2.6.19.tar.bz2, copied my config there and tried it again |
| 17:58.20 | bier__ | no go |
| 17:58.29 | bier__ | it keeps on telling me "nothing to be done" |
| 17:58.49 | Phated | DavidProck1982: OK, if you're going to be shouting when someone asks, fine, carry on. |
| 17:58.52 | DerJamster | bier__: that's rather unlikely, if you deleted the whole dir. |
| 17:59.07 | itchi | Phated: Hehe ;-) |
| 17:59.13 | bier__ | yes, i can't explain it to myself... i have no clue |
| 17:59.14 | DerJamster | bier__: make sure there's no 'debian' and stamp-* dirs in the kernel dir. |
| 17:59.30 | pickcoder | bier_: what config file did you save to |
| 17:59.34 | DerJamster | bier__: then make mrproper, copy the config into the dir, run make menuconfig, then run make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 17:59.35 | Phated | itchi: You'd think just poking in wouldn't get you shouted at :( |
| 17:59.41 | DerJamster | config should be '.config' |
| 17:59.45 | anapivirtua_ | Kikoo. |
| 18:00.14 | pickcoder | Phated: don't take it personally, he's been bashing people here for a while and somehow people still help |
| 18:00.15 | itchi | Phated: No, just that it is not the first time he do that, yesterday i got many of him, i still ask me why i reply to him |
| 18:00.26 | bier__ | DerJamster: i'll give it a try |
| 18:00.33 | Phated | pickcoder: Cor, really? I'll just sit back and watch then, more fun than trying to help ^.^ |
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| 18:00.43 | Phated | itchi: You're too nice. I'm just -such- a bitch, y'know. |
| 18:01.01 | itchi | Phated: No, your not ;-) |
| 18:01.10 | Phated | itchi: Naw, I am, and it's more fun anyways ;) |
| 18:01.22 | DavidProck1982 | i dont see that as shouting , just east on the eyes to skim through |
| 18:01.22 | itchi | Phated: hehe |
| 18:01.42 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Take it as 'shouting' and there's the . |
| 18:01.51 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: caps means yelling, unless you've been hiding under a rock the past 10 years |
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| 18:02.20 | DavidProck1982 | oh ok let me get out from under that rock then |
| 18:02.23 | bier__ | DerJamster: no go - it still says "nothing to be done" 0.o |
| 18:02.36 | Phated | DavidProck1982: No, sorry, if you can't be arsed to follow standard IRC etiquette... well, y'know, itchi's always helpful. And no, it doesn't make it -easier- for me to read. Addressing me makes it easier to spot. Spelling correctly and punctuating makes it easier to spot. Shouting, LIKE THIS, IN ALL CAPS WITHOUT ACTUALLY PUNCTUATING ANYTHING IN BETWEEN - doesn't. |
| 18:02.39 | pickcoder | if you want help, don't be verbally abusive |
| 18:02.40 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You need some help it's looks ;-) |
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| 18:03.17 | underzsod | THE BEST WAREZ SITE IN THE PLANET! UPLOADING BATTLE BEGAN 2DAY,3 WINNERS TAKE ONE MONTH RAPIDSHARE PREMIUM! ONLY AT--> WWW.UNDERZSOFT.COM |
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| 18:03.26 | DavidProck1982 | sorry |
| 18:03.29 | CharminTheMoose | http://downstairscomputer.homelinux.net/irc/ is my little personal revenge on those damn ubuntu users who insist on asking questions about ubuntu in #debian |
| 18:03.30 | DerJamster | ....the heck? |
| 18:03.37 | underzsod | THE BEST WAREZ SITE IN THE PLANET! UPLOADING BATTLE BEGAN 2DAY,3 WINNERS TAKE ONE MONTH RAPIDSHARE PREMIUM! ONLY AT--> WWW.UNDERZSOFT.COM |
| 18:03.39 | pickcoder | ban time! |
| 18:03.41 | cydork | !ops underzsod is spamming |
| 18:03.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: underzsod is spamming |
| 18:03.46 | DerJamster | kban in the nose! |
| 18:03.52 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
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| 18:03.59 | itchi | DavidProck1982: _Just_ listen to people, that's already an good begin, maybe you need to filter some ones |
| 18:04.16 | DavidProck1982 | on that site the line " deb http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia unstable nvidia-graphics-drivers" since i dont have unstable would i replace that with etch |
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| 18:04.42 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: dpkg has the answers you want, you just refuse to read them |
| 18:04.55 | RichiH | yar |
| 18:04.59 | Phated | DavidProck1982: No, since that person probably doesn't have etch sources set up. If you use his sources, for whatever reasons, you are liable to cause fuckups due to mixed sources. Do not do it. |
| 18:04.59 | itchi | !beer mentor |
| 18:05.10 | mentor | mmm. beer. |
| 18:05.16 | itchi | mentor: You was the quickest :-) |
| 18:05.17 | pickcoder | !simple sid backport |
| 18:05.19 | dpkg | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 18:05.23 | DavidProck1982 | im read ing what dpkg say i dont get it all couse for one i can brows web pages |
| 18:05.33 | RichiH | klined |
| 18:05.36 | RichiH | thanks cydork |
| 18:05.38 | Phated | DavidProck1982: Do this in your irc client: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner, -read- everything in there, do -exactly- what it says - it has worked for many, many people. |
| 18:05.57 | Phated | DavidProck1982: Is that "can", or "can't"? |
| 18:06.01 | cydork | RichiH: np! can i have a pony now :P |
| 18:06.09 | RichiH | sure |
| 18:06.15 | DavidProck1982 | Phated: that is what i am doing , the one liner |
| 18:06.21 | RichiH | on a spit or bbq? |
| 18:06.29 | DavidProck1982 | and part of it messes up |
| 18:07.03 | bier__ | DerJamster: http://nopaste.debianforum.de/4636 - if you still can't believe it... |
| 18:07.03 | cydork | RichiH: hehe bbq will better :) |
| 18:07.03 | DavidProck1982 | cant get the nvidia kernerl source |
| 18:07.04 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: to answer your question, no. Unstabled is not Etch (Testing) |
| 18:07.04 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Wich irc client use you? |
| 18:07.04 | pickcoder | -d |
| 18:07.04 | DavidProck1982 | gaim |
| 18:07.07 | itchi | DavidProck1982: ah |
| 18:07.23 | DerJamster | bier__: the heck.. |
| 18:07.24 | DavidProck1982 | why does that mater |
| 18:07.30 | Phated | See, funny enough... nvidia one-liner worked perfectly for me. Do apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source on its own, what error then? -Use a pastebin-, please. |
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| 18:07.50 | DavidProck1982 | ok one sec |
| 18:07.54 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Like you told that it messed up your screen there ... |
| 18:08.07 | Phated | TolstoyInLove: Turn your away announcements off, please. |
| 18:08.24 | DerJamster | bier__: hmh..mind adding a normal user account on your box and copying the kernel bz2 over? I wanna check this out. |
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| 18:09.51 | DavidProck1982 | "No candidate versoin found for nvidia-kernel-source", Did you get that, that is what it say |
| 18:09.55 | pickcoder | bier_: did you manually run make at some point? |
| 18:09.59 | parakletos | no |
| 18:10.23 | bier__ | DerJamster: one sec |
| 18:10.34 | Phated | Lovely, sources messed up again. DavidProck1982, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin somewhere. |
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| 18:11.04 | DavidProck1982 | on the pc that is messed up i cant do that |
| 18:11.13 | Phated | Why, pray tell? |
| 18:11.15 | DavidProck1982 | it is not the pc im typeing on |
| 18:11.36 | Phated | DavidProck1982: Well, here's something. |
| 18:11.40 | DavidProck1982 | it is another pc sitting on the floor |
| 18:11.43 | Phated | DavidProck1982: Execute this on the 'messed up' PC. |
| 18:12.09 | pickcoder | bier_: why are you copying a KConfig to .config and then using the ncurses config menu? |
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| 18:13.21 | Phated | DavidProck1982: grep -v \# /etc/apt/sources.list - then, _manually copy_, if you have to, everything that appears, to a pastebin. |
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| 18:13.55 | richee | I am trying to install debian on my laptop and it says it found a network hardware as linux floopy |
| 18:14.18 | richee | can some help me ? |
| 18:14.23 | Phated | DavidProck1982: There is information we need in order to help you. If you are unable to provide it, we will be crippled in providing said help. If you don't like the fact that you may have to do some work (considering you've been on IRC for more than 12 hours seeking help, I'd say you were willing), then ignore me and move on to asking the rest of the channel again. |
| 18:14.34 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Have you 2 monitors and keyb and mouse? |
| 18:14.34 | DavidProck1982 | useth the default debian site and the security thing and that one linu i just added that that preson told me to |
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| 18:14.55 | Rprp | How can i 'forward' a port in apf? |
| 18:15.07 | DavidProck1982 | 2 monitors, but not on the same pc |
| 18:15.39 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Okay, maybe is it easier to start an irc client on that box?? use irssi maybe |
| 18:15.49 | DavidProck1982 | how |
| 18:15.55 | DavidProck1982 | what no gui |
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| 18:15.57 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Install irssi |
| 18:16.01 | abrotman | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 18:16.08 | itchi | DavidProck1982: It's for when without X too ;-) |
| 18:16.13 | Phated | DavidProck1982: irssi is a -command-line- client! |
| 18:16.36 | Phated | DavidProck1982: I do not, in fact, know what your sources are. I do not, in fact, have the debian default sources memorized. Please provide me with your sources.list. Instead of whining about how you -can't-, start typing. I even gave you a command so that you wouldn't have to search the file manually. If you don't -want- to be helped, then tell me that I can stop wasting my time. |
| 18:16.59 | DavidProck1982 | cool is installing |
| 18:17.19 | itchi | Phated: Sorry :-/ |
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| 18:17.42 | Phated | itchi: He's clearly not listening to me at all. He's all yours. Have fun with the fuckwit. |
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| 18:18.09 | DavidProck1982 | here it is the same that is on my pc... what is the past bin link |
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| 18:18.44 | itchi | Phated: I think he is new with it and need an bit more patience and help assistance. Yeah, i remember in the begin, the people had it also not so easy with me ;-) |
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| 18:19.04 | Phated | itchi: Heh, this'll be fun ^.^ |
| 18:19.53 | Phated | itchi: No, there's a difference between patience and wilful ignoring of help offered. And a clear lack of willingness to work. "How do I paste when it's on a different box" is not a valid question. "Where should I send it to" is. |
| 18:19.56 | itchi | Phated: Yeah, im not good to write right :-) Still learning too, but that's not so easy too. hehe |
| 18:20.01 | DavidProck1982 | sorry u not tell me so hwerre it is............ |
| 18:20.07 | DavidProck1982 | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 18:20.13 | itchi | Phated: Yup, sure |
| 18:20.14 | DavidProck1982 | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
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| 18:20.18 | Phated | ... |
| 18:20.21 | Phated | And impatient to boot. Have fun, itchi. |
| 18:20.23 | DavidProck1982 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:20.33 | DavidProck1982 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:20.34 | bier__ | DerJamster: sent you everything via query |
| 18:20.37 | DavidProck1982 | and that is it |
| 18:20.51 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You have not an unstable deb-src line |
| 18:21.01 | itchi | Phated: I had need to shut up, sorry |
| 18:21.08 | DavidProck1982 | so what will i add |
| 18:21.22 | Phated | itchi: Rmmm? |
| 18:21.34 | DavidProck1982 | and that one line that that other person say add |
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| 18:21.48 | DavidProck1982 | the text is in the room look up |
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| 18:22.22 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Copy that 2de line and replace the word etch by unstable |
| 18:22.35 | richee | I am trying to install debian but after installing from the first cd. I am getting an error hw_random : can't be loaded and also insmod hci_usb failed. Now it's hung |
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| 18:22.39 | richee | Can't go in ? |
| 18:22.41 | DavidProck1982 | do whast |
| 18:22.49 | DavidProck1982 | 2de? |
| 18:23.00 | Phated | itchi: ... are you upgrading him to unstable? Could be a bad idea... |
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| 18:23.07 | richee | plz help I don't wanna use Ubuntu.... |
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| 18:23.22 | DavidProck1982 | i dont what to upgrade |
| 18:23.24 | itchi | Phated: Nope, just the source line, he need sid simple source backports there for his nvidia |
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| 18:23.47 | richee | Can someone help me plz? |
| 18:23.51 | rjent | greetings, could someone tell me the best filesystem type for writing lots of images (needing performance and images about 60k)? |
| 18:23.53 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Heh, look like you not know what you are doing?? |
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| 18:24.14 | DavidProck1982 | so replace att the etch with unstable temparly |
| 18:24.25 | bkhl | Does someone have a suggestion for a really simple WYSIWYG presentation program? |
| 18:24.25 | bkhl | I.e. something simpler than the one that comes with OO.org. |
| 18:24.30 | itchi | DavidProck1982: somethings like that, yes, without errors |
| 18:24.43 | abrotman | bkhl: there's a KDE one .. you mean like powerpoint right ? |
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| 18:24.58 | Phated | itchi: And... someone who isn't able to read and follow nvidia one-liner, you're telling to use backports? Because, you know, he's going to have to read instructions for that as well. |
| 18:24.59 | bkhl | abrotman: yeah, only not that overloaded. |
| 18:25.13 | GrimWald | richee, your system is frozen then ? |
| 18:25.14 | bkhl | abrotman: you're thinking of the koffice one? |
| 18:25.18 | DavidProck1982 | i was doing the nvidia one-liner |
| 18:25.23 | richee | GrimWald: yes |
| 18:25.34 | itchi | Phated: Yup, he not like dpkg :-/ |
| 18:25.51 | GrimWald | you can put the boot option init=/bin/sh |
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| 18:25.58 | GrimWald | and then blacklist these modules |
| 18:25.59 | Phated | itchi: No. Fucking. Kidding. |
| 18:26.07 | itchi | Phated: He just need to quick make an /unstable/ package for his nvidia, then remove or comment that line |
| 18:26.12 | richee | GrimWald: u mean in grub prompt ? |
| 18:26.15 | GrimWald | yeah |
| 18:26.20 | richee | ok |
| 18:26.24 | jduggan | hi, anyone upgraded on sid and found gaim broke? =] |
| 18:26.27 | itchi | Phated: Me? |
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| 18:26.53 | Ronin | jduggan: somethign broke on sid? how odd ;) |
| 18:26.57 | GrimWald | during the upgrade i just found gaim deleted jduggan ^^ |
| 18:26.59 | jduggan | Ronin: nod |
| 18:27.00 | Phated | DavidProck1982: Not, my dear, if you're using anything other than standard debian sources, because dpkg sure as hell doesn't ask you to use the nvidia-graphics-drivers package. |
| 18:27.01 | richee | GrimWald: I am upgrading to the stable version is it advisable to install the testing? |
| 18:27.08 | GrimWald | after* |
| 18:27.22 | Ronin | jduggan: did you check the bts? |
| 18:27.23 | GrimWald | i don't think it'll change anything richee |
| 18:27.31 | richee | GrimWald: ok |
| 18:27.36 | Phated | itchi: That he doesn't like dpkg or something, yeah, because I dont' see anything in nvidia one-liner that asks to use a people.debian.org repos. :) |
| 18:27.39 | Phated | itchi: And, er, shouldn't he be using etch nvidia? |
| 18:27.39 | Phated | itchi: As in the factoid? |
| 18:28.06 | richee | GrimWald: so should I remove root=/dev/hda1 ro and put init=/bin/sh |
| 18:28.11 | GrimWald | no |
| 18:28.14 | itchi | Phated: the nvidia source is removed of etch |
| 18:28.22 | GrimWald | root=........ and then init=/bin/sh |
| 18:28.23 | Phated | itchi: Lessee, -that's- on people.d.o... |
| 18:28.25 | itchi | !etch nvidia |
| 18:28.25 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 18:28.34 | GrimWald | at the end of line |
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| 18:28.44 | richee | GrimWald: k |
| 18:28.46 | Phated | OH! |
| 18:28.56 | richee | GrimWald: it's gone in |
| 18:29.08 | richee | GrimWald: what do I do ? |
| 18:29.12 | itchi | Phated: Suck a bit, but there's stil a way to get it |
| 18:29.13 | GrimWald | boot ? |
| 18:29.14 | Phated | *smack* |
| 18:29.26 | richee | GrimWald: it's in the prompt |
| 18:29.35 | Phated | itchi: Eh, why doesn't he just use the rdonald unstable packages instead of switching his repos to unstable? |
| 18:29.36 | GrimWald | type b |
| 18:29.37 | itchi | Phated: Yust get it of unstable, but just _that_ |
| 18:29.42 | bier__ | DerJamster: oh my god, just forget about it... i ran make.kpkg --revision soapbox.1 --initrd - so guess what, i forgot to attach kernel-image |
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| 18:29.50 | Phated | itchi: Can I msg you to explain the whole thing instead of hashing it out on a busy channel? |
| 18:29.51 | richee | GrimWald: I already did that I am in bash prompt |
| 18:29.56 | GrimWald | ok |
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| 18:30.05 | richee | GrimWald: now ? |
| 18:30.11 | itchi | Phated: Maye it will be interesting here, for these that follow too |
| 18:30.15 | GrimWald | then edit /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 18:30.29 | simonrvn | anyone here heard of "camstudio" or "wink"? |
| 18:30.30 | GrimWald | and don't forget to mount -o rw,remount / before |
| 18:30.37 | DavidProck1982 | ok i set it to unstable and did apt-get update & aptitude update |
| 18:30.47 | itchi | simonrvn: To record of screen? |
| 18:30.47 | Phated | itchi: all right, long story coming then. |
| 18:30.51 | simonrvn | seems wink is in debian |
| 18:31.04 | DavidProck1982 | now in going to do the nvidia one-liner, Correct? |
| 18:31.09 | simonrvn | well, i need to dump a google earth tour to flash |
| 18:31.12 | Rprp | How can i 'forward' a port in apf? |
| 18:31.17 | Phated | itchi: If he's using etch, then rdonal doesn't actually provide the nvidia-graphics-drivers package anymore, as dpkg claims he does. |
| 18:31.33 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Maybe, like phated told, take that prepackaged if there's one?? |
| 18:31.49 | jade | Hi, i hope this is the right place to ask... I have 2 Soundcards, how do choose the default sound device for apps to use? (Im running gnome on etch also and oss are instlled) |
| 18:31.50 | Phated | DavidProck1982: Hush for a moment while itchi and I try to work this out. Just read. |
| 18:31.57 | abrotman | hahah |
| 18:31.57 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 18:32.02 | itchi | Phated: There was not that way when i did it, need to look to that other way right now |
| 18:32.19 | richee | GrimWald: checking .... |
| 18:32.21 | Phated | itchi: In which case, he'd need to either a) upgrade to sid (BAD) or b) backport stuffs (GOOD, but harder). |
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| 18:32.44 | richee | GrimWald: edited the file |
| 18:32.57 | itchi | Phated: It was easy to do (when you know) :-p |
| 18:33.07 | richee | GrimWald: now ? |
| 18:33.08 | GrimWald | remount read only and reboot |
| 18:33.08 | Phated | itchi: Yeah, because DDs have fiddled with the sources and taken the nvidia stuff out of etch. |
| 18:33.10 | Phated | itchi: Er, he doesn't ;) |
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| 18:33.39 | Phated | itchi: Hang on, let me poke around the repos and see what's there. |
| 18:33.39 | richee | GrimWald: what am I suppose to do in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 18:33.48 | itchi | Phated: hehe |
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| 18:34.22 | GrimWald | put at the end of fil the name of the modules |
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| 18:34.24 | abrotman | he could grab the packages from sid .. unpack them .. then compile them |
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| 18:34.32 | Phated | itchi: Naw, rdonald only has sarge and sid sources. Which, hey, now you get to teach pinning to him! ^.^ |
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| 18:34.37 | richee | GrimWald: which modules |
| 18:34.40 | richee | ? |
| 18:34.49 | richee | GrimWald: which gave error ? |
| 18:34.54 | GrimWald | the two you were talking about |
| 18:34.58 | GrimWald | yes |
| 18:35.03 | richee | ok |
| 18:35.08 | itchi | Phated: That sucks to teach haha |
| 18:35.15 | Phated | abrotman: He says he can't browse the web from his machine without a gui, d'you really dare ask him to use a CLI browser? ^.^ |
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| 18:35.28 | Rprp | How can i 'forward' a port in apf? |
| 18:35.38 | itchi | Phated: Show him some good tools ;-) |
| 18:35.50 | Phated | itchi: <shrug> Like I said, I'm not interested in helping -him-. I'm interested in how this could be solved, but not in his interest. Call me a selfish bitch. |
| 18:36.10 | itchi | Phated: hehe |
| 18:36.45 | cahoot | jade: you can decide what card is to be card0 by setting: options <snd-module-for-default> index=0 |
| 18:36.54 | itchi | Phated: I not call somebody somethings, or when i do it it's when i'm in an dumb period, that's all |
| 18:37.38 | Phated | itchi: But hey, if he's reading, he could be learning. You can hope. :) Anyways, how -hard- can APT::Default-Release be? :) |
| 18:37.45 | Phated | itchi: Meh, it's just an expression. |
| 18:39.03 | abrotman | Phated: wget! |
| 18:39.15 | itchi | Phated: Yup, just trying to show him how to fish, shows maybe a bit to many :-/ |
| 18:39.28 | richee | GrimWald: I have a compaq presario, I have a wireless card ipw2200, I hope it gets detected |
| 18:39.38 | richee | GrimWald: worked like an angel in ubuntu |
| 18:39.41 | Phated | abrotman: Hahahaha. :) |
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| 18:40.24 | Phated | itchi: There's a difference between "this is how you fish" and "look, I'll do it for you, just watch this once". |
| 18:40.26 | GrimWald | etch should detect it, but i think with sarge you'll have to install it manually |
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| 18:40.58 | itchi | Phated: Just show him after told him 3 times, yeah, i feel where you will come too ;-) |
| 18:41.01 | richee | GrimWald: is it advisable to install etch then ? |
| 18:41.24 | richee | GrimWald: I have already tried suse and fc6 and it's pain |
| 18:41.25 | Phated | itchi: Again, have fun. I'm going to research this. I'm off. |
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| 18:41.34 | GrimWald | it depends on what you want to do with your system |
| 18:41.36 | itchi | Phated: ;-) |
| 18:41.52 | GrimWald | for a personal use i think it's advisable to use etch yes |
| 18:41.59 | richee | GrimWald: I just want my wireless configure and for personal use |
| 18:41.59 | talat | hi iwant to connect from debin to windows with windows remote assitant |
| 18:42.17 | talat | but i dont know how to connect can you help me ? |
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| 18:42.21 | itchi | richee: You need to know about the ipw2200 project?? |
| 18:42.24 | abrotman | smbclient |
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| 18:42.40 | abrotman | talat: wtf is windows remote asssist? |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | i think you want rdesktop |
| 18:42.54 | richee | itchi: I know that, I also compiled from source, but it doesn't work properly |
| 18:42.54 | ma3x | hi I have a laptop connected to external LCD screen. The screen is fine, but when I play a movie, it's not displaying it. what could be the problem? |
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| 18:43.07 | solars | DerJamster, hm that does not work for me if I use solars@localhost, ssmtp sends it to the remote mailserver |
| 18:43.11 | blondie | remote assistance is like remote desktop but it lets you share |
| 18:43.16 | blondie | i doubt there's a *nix client |
| 18:43.17 | richee | itchi: Sometimes I reboot and the device doesn't show up .... |
| 18:43.22 | _Brandon_ | hi, anyone knows if there is some program that tag a list of mp3 automatically using online database? |
| 18:43.23 | talat | abrotman: but if i use rdesktop ,real user dont see me |
| 18:43.24 | Ronin | but from debian to windows using it? humm |
| 18:43.24 | kr0nos | talat, do you meen Terminal Services? |
| 18:43.29 | richee | itchi: I have those kinda problems..... |
| 18:43.50 | abrotman | talat: uhm ... your other option is VNC |
| 18:43.51 | talat | no, Xp accpect us share desktop screen same as vnc |
| 18:44.05 | richee | GrimWald: this is the ISO for etch right http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:44.15 | itchi | richee: I dunno about that kind of card nor have such one, have an ipw3945 based thing here |
| 18:44.27 | richee | ok |
| 18:44.27 | GrimWald | yes, but cant you just dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:44.33 | talat | but i know vnc but i try to connect remote assitants |
| 18:44.47 | blondie | talat: you can't |
| 18:44.53 | richee | GrimWald: dist-upgrade, I am freshly installing debian |
| 18:45.00 | talat | i build a xml file i opened and i take soma informatino but krdf didnt connect |
| 18:45.03 | Phated | itchi: *cough* http://benhay.blogspot.com/2006/11/installing-nvidia-drivers-in-etch.html *cough* |
| 18:45.23 | Phated | itchi: If he can't follow those, I'd consider a discreet suicide pill. |
| 18:45.26 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to dist upgrade to etch and still have my system under 4.50gb? |
| 18:45.32 | talat | blondie: why ? we dont support this ? |
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| 18:45.46 | blondie | afaik you can't anyway |
| 18:46.07 | itchi | Phated: Depend, if you like to troubleshoot or not |
| 18:46.16 | GrimWald | richee i didn't understand (english isnt my native tongue) |
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| 18:46.30 | Phated | itchi: <shrug> You read that yourself. It's -not difficult-. |
| 18:46.52 | Squall` | How do I force apt-get to use gcc-4.0 instead of gcc-4.1? |
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| 18:47.27 | itchi | Phated: I not understand |
| 18:47.39 | stew | Squall`: what do you mean? apt-get doesn't use gcc at all |
| 18:47.49 | Squall` | Oh, I'm sorry, I meant *install* |
| 18:47.55 | Phated | itchi: What, the blog page with step by step instructions on how to get nvidia drivers in etch? |
| 18:48.00 | Phated | itchi: Clearly he's lost then. |
| 18:48.05 | talat | blondie: what is proble for this connection can you give some info ? |
| 18:48.07 | stew | Squall`: apt-get install gcc-4.0 |
| 18:48.08 | itchi | Phated: No, you, you that i not understand haha |
| 18:48.43 | itchi | Phated: Looks good that stuff |
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| 18:48.48 | Phated | itchi: You can ignore me. |
| 18:48.52 | DavidProck1982 | ok with the unsatble modifycation the one liner seam go great, But the monitor blinks 3 times and each time it shows the nvidia logo and returnt with no eror |
| 18:49.13 | Squall` | stew: I did that, and removed 4.1, and even symlinked gcc-4.0 to gcc, but that's not apparently good enough to compile my nvidia kernel mod (I compiled my kernel with gcc-4.0) |
| 18:49.15 | itchi | Phated: You just install a bit more stuff of the unstable branch, that's all i think |
| 18:49.22 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 18:49.22 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 18:49.24 | Phated | itchi: Yeah, no kidding. |
| 18:49.36 | Phated | itchi: Which are depended on for it to work, anyway <shrug> |
| 18:50.28 | itchi | Phated: Maybe now then, not when i did it last time |
| 18:50.50 | Squall` | I want gcc-4.0 to be installed as the package gcc, and I want that package to be excluded from all updates in the future |
| 18:51.07 | Phated | itchi: Eh, you give him step by step - I just thought that was helpful. |
| 18:51.12 | stew | Squall`: you shouldn't mess with that symlink, you should be setting the CC and HOSTCC env variables instead (assuming that nvidia supplies sane makefiles which check these variables) |
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| 18:51.35 | itchi | Phated: I did it a bit otherwise and had only got the deb-src and build it, here it's looks you get that whole stuff right now. Before he was building his deppends |
| 18:51.39 | pickcoder-wrk | talat: another option is using a web-based desktop sharing product |
| 18:52.11 | Phated | itchi: good lord, building. Meh, go ahead, he's your client now ;) |
| 18:52.13 | CharminTheMoose | boing |
| 18:52.25 | itchi | Phated: To keep it shot, i had take the sources and build it, here you get the prepackaged |
| 18:52.31 | stew | Squall`: if you really want that (which i really don't think you do): /msg dpkg sdn ; /msg dpkg hold ; you'll have to grab a gcc package from when 4.0 was the default and put it on hold (but again, this is not recommanded) |
| 18:52.32 | talat | pickcoder-wrk: i try to add amsn remote help support for msn users |
| 18:52.35 | itchi | shit s/shot/short/ |
| 18:53.17 | talat | pickcoder-wrk: why we sholuld setup a program i think we use this protokol |
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| 18:53.44 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Are you still here and following? |
| 18:53.56 | DavidProck1982 | im back |
| 18:53.59 | DavidProck1982 | do what |
| 18:54.09 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Read, that's all a good begin |
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| 18:54.14 | Phated | talat: Er, gross, no, we shouldn't. |
| 18:54.28 | Phated | itchi: Eee, see, that's why I'm happy with my sid install :) |
| 18:54.31 | pickcoder-wrk | talat: there are no applications written for Linux that support "remote assistance" |
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| 18:54.45 | Phated | So you haven't, in fact, been paying attention while people discussed your problem... nice, very grateful of you. |
| 18:54.49 | pickcoder-wrk | talat: you can use rdesktop, which uses the desktop protocol via terminal services, or you can use VNC |
| 18:55.08 | talat | ok pickcoder-wrk thx |
| 18:55.21 | itchi | Phated: Yup, some time i'm fighting to not switch to sid, still etch here on all my desktop's and sarge on the servers. Sid is used in virtual computers |
| 18:56.03 | Squall` | stew: Thanks |
| 18:56.13 | Squall` | I'll take your recommendation. |
| 18:56.41 | Phated | itchi: Ah, production environment? |
| 18:56.48 | itchi | Phated: Need you to setup it right now? |
| 18:57.25 | talat | Phated: i think we try to use this protocol |
| 18:57.25 | Phated | itchi: What? |
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| 18:58.07 | itchi | Phated: myeah, Etch is on my main computer, on the laptop also, maybe just the laptop to migrate, i dunno, i not feel me of the level to use sid right now. Still need to learn some stuff |
| 18:58.26 | Phated | talat: We'll "try to use" it when Microsoft "try to" OPEN IT SO THAT WE CAN WRITE AN APPLICATION USING IT - yes, I am shouting there, I may be rude, but I'm no hypocrite. |
| 18:58.29 | itchi | Phated: But with sid, i have heard, you can learn very fast with it |
| 18:58.43 | Phated | itchi: Ah, yeah. Mine's my desktop, I just was very carefulsetting it up. |
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| 19:00.45 | pickcoder-wrk | talat: are you sure rdesktop won't share the screen with the remote user? |
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| 19:01.15 | stew | pickcoder-wrk: it won't |
| 19:01.25 | talat | i try to connect but it show login screen |
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| 19:01.35 | talat | when i write user name |
| 19:01.43 | lexi_ | hi @all. ran into trouble with update-initramfs after a release-update of initramfs-tools. since i am on kubuntu edgy i asked in #(k)ubuntu first but no one could help me there. this is what update-initramfs says : http://rafb.net/paste/results/8flK6l18.html of course the created initrd didnt work at bootup. downgrading to the once working package version didnt change anything, same error. any suggestions ? |
| 19:01.47 | talat | you cant enter this user |
| 19:01.50 | talat | says me |
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| 19:02.14 | itchi | lexi_: ask #kubuntu |
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| 19:02.52 | itchi | lexi_: It's not because these not know his stuff that we should know about it |
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| 19:03.07 | pickcoder-wrk | all I can find are RDP clients |
| 19:03.44 | Althaser | I get * skipping already loaded module where can I see the modules on boot ? |
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| 19:03.58 | Zap-W | can pam_access be used for restricting the time and day a user may login? |
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| 19:04.07 | shwag | dig mydomain.com shows me where the ip resolves to, but its not listing the authoritative nameservers. How can I get these ? |
| 19:04.17 | pickcoder-wrk | shwag: man dig |
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| 19:05.20 | Zvpun | i have "netstat -tanp" with "tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 3851/sshd" I dont want it to be tcp6 and I dont remeber changing anything, how can I tell sshd to use tcp4 instead of tcp6 |
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| 19:07.16 | shwag | pickcoder-mtg: i used +nssearch ...lists off about 10 authoritative servers for the domain. dont seem to be in any particular order. |
| 19:07.20 | talat | pickcoder-mtg: yes i can all connect rdp connection |
| 19:07.31 | talat | but i dont connect remote asstiants |
| 19:07.35 | lexi_ | itchi: i did that several times over the last 4 days and wasting time by explaining the problem to someone with even fewer expertise than i have ;). |
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| 19:07.58 | Zap-W | what is ttyp* |
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| 19:10.29 | abrotman | lexi_: maybe ##linux or #kernel .. this isn't the channel for you |
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| 19:11.01 | madclicker | where do i make changes to debian boot to clear the screen on boot and display linuxlogo/ |
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| 19:11.32 | Zap-W | what's the differenece between ttyp* devices and pty |
| 19:12.16 | Zvpun | how can I tell sshd to use tcp4 instead of tcp6? |
| 19:12.34 | madclicker | how can i enable copy/paste in aptitude |
| 19:12.36 | madclicker | ? |
| 19:14.07 | abrotman | Zvpun: it shouldn't matter |
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| 19:14.41 | Zvpun | abrotman: I cant sshd to my machine from outside. I can ssh myip from my machine but not from outside. |
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| 19:15.16 | stew | Zvpun: why do you need it to not use ipv6? |
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| 19:15.45 | Zvpun | stew: I cant connect from outside. I dont know why, and suspect tcp6 to be the problem |
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| 19:15.53 | stew | Zvpun: its not the problem |
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| 19:16.20 | Zvpun | stew, abrotman: this is what netstat says: "tcp6 0 704 myip:ssh remoteip:54485 ESTABLISHED9131/sshd: [accepte |
| 19:16.22 | abrotman | Zvpun: that has nothing to do with it |
| 19:16.45 | Zvpun | stew, abrotman: What is the problem? |
| 19:17.18 | kingsley | After upgrading a lot of packages, oowriter stopped printing. Does anyone here happen to have any suggestions for where to start looking? |
| 19:17.31 | solars | I'm looking for a way to securely store passwords, can anyone suggest something ? |
| 19:17.37 | cydork | kingsley: cups? |
| 19:17.38 | stew | Zvpun: doesn't look there is a problem. that seems to indicate that you have a cconnection established |
| 19:17.55 | kingsley | cydork: Can you elaborate? |
| 19:18.06 | abrotman | solars: apt-cache search password store |
| 19:18.06 | Zvpun | stew: on the remote host it looks like: "ssh foo@myip" and nothing more |
| 19:18.14 | cydork | kingsley: did you update cups? |
| 19:18.16 | abrotman | try a -v |
| 19:18.20 | moshii | solars: shell based? |
| 19:18.21 | Zvpun | stew: auth.log doesnt show anything |
| 19:18.23 | stew | Zvpun: run ssh -v and see how far it gets |
| 19:18.30 | bbelt16ag | hey how do i find the source for Chromium its in unstable and stable but not testing?? |
| 19:18.44 | solars | abrotman, did you try one of those tools |
| 19:18.54 | solars | moshii, if possible, yes |
| 19:18.59 | abrotman | nope |
| 19:19.00 | Zvpun | stew: thanks for the hint! It gets to debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent |
| 19:19.02 | schme | Where would I report a lil' bug in aptitude that annoys the heck out of me? |
| 19:19.06 | solars | abrotman, okay thank you |
| 19:19.10 | kingsley | cydork: Yes, I upgraded cupsys from version 1.1.23-12 to 1.2.7-1. |
| 19:19.19 | cydork | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg why is chromium is not in testing |
| 19:19.24 | moshii | solars: I have a pretty unrobust system that you can stick in your .profile |
| 19:19.39 | cydork | bbelt16ag: oh remove that second is :P |
| 19:19.51 | solars | moshii, so tell me |
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| 19:20.15 | moshii | solars: it uses GPG to encrypt passwords, and gives you commands like addpasswd, showpasswd |
| 19:20.17 | Zvpun | stew: on the remote machine it says local version "SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.6" and remote version "Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-6" |
| 19:20.28 | Zvpun | stew: is there incompatibility between 3.8 and 4.3? |
| 19:20.38 | abrotman | wtf is debian-6 ? |
| 19:20.46 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 19:20.52 | solars | moshii, sounds good, anything online about that ? |
| 19:21.00 | kingsley | cydork: Do you happen to know if upgrading cups tends to be problematic? |
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| 19:21.31 | cydork | kingsley: well go to localhost:631 and check the printer |
| 19:21.49 | moshii | solars: Just findind the wiki I jammed it on.. |
| 19:21.49 | Zvpun | kingsley: do you use usb to connect the printer. I got the usb://url-thing messed up once in a while on upgrades |
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| 19:22.03 | Zvpun | kingsley: readding the printer seems to fix it for me |
| 19:22.16 | buggarage | what tools are there for copying cd's properly to disk ? i'm getting io errors when i do it with cp |
| 19:22.19 | solars | moshii, thanks |
| 19:22.25 | tarzeau | it's there? ETCH? IT'S THERE?? |
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| 19:22.35 | buggarage | sorry not cd's but contents thereof |
| 19:22.37 | bbelt16ag | what |
| 19:22.56 | bbelt16ag | cydork: so what am i suppose to do with that link? |
| 19:23.03 | Zvpun | stew, abrotman: any ideas? |
| 19:23.22 | bbelt16ag | all i want is the source |
| 19:23.23 | bbelt16ag | anybody got it? |
| 19:23.37 | RvGaTe | good evening freenode |
| 19:23.37 | moshii | solars: it's taking awhile, my VPS has 128meg of ram used and 200 swapped hah |
| 19:23.51 | cydork | bbelt16ag: you can do a /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:23.53 | solars | moshii, haha no problem :) |
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| 19:23.59 | kingsley | Zvpun: Thanks for asking. The printer isn't connected to a USB port. |
| 19:24.26 | abrotman | Zvpun: nothing else ever comes up ? |
| 19:24.30 | moshii | some people just don't like taking money |
| 19:24.32 | bbelt16ag | ok .. |
| 19:24.33 | Zvpun | abrotman: nothing |
| 19:24.42 | abrotman | Zvpun: can you test with another box ? |
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| 19:25.09 | Zvpun | abrotman: ssh -v says "SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent" and nothing more |
| 19:25.09 | RvGaTe | esteel, didn't know you where in here aswell |
| 19:25.25 | kingsley | cydork: Thanks for the tip on localhost:631. It revealed several pending print jobs. |
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| 19:26.09 | esteel | RvGaTe: for quite a while already :) |
| 19:26.24 | bbelt16ag | cydork: so what does that do? |
| 19:26.52 | RvGaTe | esteel, ready to show me some tricks in Nexuiz? |
| 19:27.03 | cydork | bbelt16ag: gets the source from unstable and build a deb package. |
| 19:27.07 | Zvpun | abrotman: I was testing from different remote machines to connect to local machine but it never worked. |
| 19:27.11 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 19:27.58 | bbelt16ag | dspkg said sid.. |
| 19:28.13 | abrotman | Zvpun: checked the bts at all ? |
| 19:28.18 | Vibe-- | can someone help me, i'm reinstalling debian on my laptop, but after first boot it hangs at usb universal host controller interface driver v2.2 |
| 19:28.20 | esteel | RvGaTe: hmm in a few minutes.. just helping someone with slight problems :) |
| 19:28.24 | cydork | bbelt16ag: sid is unstable. |
| 19:28.46 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 19:28.59 | Vibe-- | i had this problem the first time too, i need options at boot but can't remember/ find which one |
| 19:29.24 | Zvpun | abrotman: no, I didnt think about that. I will check it now |
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| 19:31.08 | kingsley | What username and password does cups expect at localhost:631? |
| 19:31.11 | bbelt16ag | ty cydork |
| 19:31.16 | bbelt16ag | its working cool |
| 19:31.38 | cydork | kingsley: root /password |
| 19:31.45 | cydork | bbelt16ag: np :) |
| 19:32.03 | bbelt16ag | will mesa mess up my nvidia drivers? |
| 19:33.27 | kingsley | cydork: Thanks. |
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| 19:35.10 | esteel | RvGaTe: still there? |
| 19:35.37 | bokey | anyone here can give me a hand to compile this tcl library for mysql ? |
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| 19:35.49 | DavidProck1982 | how can i install the X.Org SDK/devrlopment package you my distribution |
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| 19:36.21 | azeem | DavidProck1982: there is no one big SDK I think, install the relevant development libraries |
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| 19:36.31 | RvGaTe | esteel, yes |
| 19:36.32 | bokey | I've asked some people at ##c++ . no one seems to have a clue. :/ |
| 19:36.38 | bokey | RvGaTe, hi. =) |
| 19:36.40 | RvGaTe | esteel, just give me an ip of an empty server |
| 19:36.52 | valdyn | kingsley: root and root's password |
| 19:36.53 | esteel | RvGaTe: query :) |
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| 19:37.16 | valdyn | bbelt16ag: not if you use debian packages for both |
| 19:37.42 | bokey | ok if anyone can help me. do let me know. it's writen in c++ and the offending line I can provide |
| 19:37.56 | azeem | bokey: this is off-topic here |
| 19:38.02 | bokey | azeem, yeah. |
| 19:38.15 | abrotman | tried asking ##c ? |
| 19:38.20 | bokey | azeem, but since no one knows how to deal with it, I am asking here. |
| 19:38.24 | bokey | abrotman, thanks. =) |
| 19:38.28 | azeem | bokey: that's fine, but stop repeating, please |
| 19:38.32 | valdyn | !they don't know |
| 19:38.32 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 19:38.35 | bokey | azeem, =) |
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| 19:43.07 | bbelt16ag | ls |
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| 19:46.39 | ehj20 | I've got an .iso file that's 602K in size. When it's mounted (with the -o loop option), then resulting filesystem is 703M. Is this sane? |
| 19:46.48 | ehj20 | s/then/the |
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| 19:47.06 | valdyn | ehj20: yes |
| 19:47.16 | zinx | ehj20: the size is obtained from the filesystem info |
| 19:47.39 | ehj20 | Good, thanks |
| 19:47.41 | zinx | ehj20: if you've got a truncated iso, it's just going to give you read errors when you try to access blocks that aren't there |
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| 19:47.44 | Esaj | hmm, logrotate stopped working about 3 weeks ago, anyone know why? |
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| 19:48.01 | blondie | try restarting it :S |
| 19:48.26 | Esaj | blondie: it's not a daemon... |
| 19:48.26 | valdyn | blondie: its not a daemon |
| 19:48.36 | blondie | oh |
| 19:48.40 | tarzeau | ShdB: from which kantoenli? |
| 19:48.41 | blondie | doesn't syslogd call it? |
| 19:48.51 | yang | Which software must I use to establish GPRS pcmcia card connection on my laptop? |
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| 19:49.06 | stew | blondie: no, cron |
| 19:49.09 | blondie | oh |
| 19:49.15 | blondie | dunno then |
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| 19:50.00 | solars | moshii, don't forget me :D |
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| 19:50.36 | moshii | solars: having major issues with my server.. sorry mate |
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| 19:51.03 | solars | moshii, oh, no problem |
| 19:51.19 | stew | Esaj: no logs are being rotated at all? |
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| 19:51.24 | ehj20 | zinx: it shouldn't be a truncated iso, but I guess iso images can define larger volumes than what they actually are (hmmm, if that makes any sense). |
| 19:51.37 | zinx | ehj20: not really |
| 19:51.48 | zinx | ehj20: it's probably a trucated iso. try isovfy on it. |
| 19:51.49 | Esaj | stew: I've just worked out why, nevermind |
| 19:51.51 | zinx | erh, truncated |
| 19:52.02 | tarzeau | omg it got UPDATED: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/size |
| 19:52.02 | ehj20 | zinx: okay, thanks |
| 19:52.08 | Esaj | stew: I hadn't specified the correct directories in the new conf |
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| 19:53.30 | klohunt | On a default install of Etch, do I need to install some header files in order to write C or C++? |
| 19:53.37 | klohunt | I have gcc |
| 19:53.52 | valdyn | klohunt: you need g++ |
| 19:54.13 | klohunt | ahh |
| 19:54.26 | tralala | klohunt: you need the headers of the libs you're going to use |
| 19:54.29 | valdyn | klohunt: err, you need g++ for C++, you probably need build-essential |
| 19:54.32 | abchirk | !ops ComPuTeR spam on join...he is in asterisk and redhat too ;) |
| 19:54.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: ComPuTeR spam on join...he is in asterisk and redhat too ;) |
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| 19:54.50 | klohunt | valdyn: build-essential, thats what it was, I think |
| 19:54.53 | klohunt | valdyn: thanks |
| 19:55.12 | abchirk | Hey 100 extra points for such fastness :D |
| 19:55.34 | valdyn | klohunt: raw C is good for (almost ) nothing, see what tralala said... |
| 19:55.46 | RichiH | *sigh* |
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| 19:55.57 | Malagmyr | VMWare creates virtual machines, which can have their own IP addresses on the network. Is there a simple way I can create just a virtual interface, without vmware, to have two ip addresses on a single network card? I need another port 22 :/ |
| 19:56.03 | abchirk | hehe hi RichiH ;) |
| 19:56.12 | RichiH | hmm, i don't get anything |
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| 19:56.23 | valdyn | Malagmyr: wrong channel |
| 19:56.23 | abchirk | RichiH he got already klined |
| 19:56.31 | RichiH | oh |
| 19:56.32 | Malagmyr | valdyn: how come? |
| 19:56.33 | RichiH | booooooooring! |
| 19:56.37 | stew | RichiH: no there seems to be someone with some elaborate botnet that only ever spams abchirk :) |
| 19:56.46 | abchirk | Yes you was to slow i guess azeemwas it? |
| 19:56.50 | abchirk | lol |
| 19:56.57 | valdyn | Malagmyr: ops, my fault, i should have read more carefully |
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| 19:57.02 | jeremy_c | I will be setting up a dedicated server this evening and one of it's functions will be to provide mail for multiple domains. I currently have a setup (CentOS yuk) on my VPS, however, it is doing hardly anything for virus and spam detection. Can someone point me to a good debian based mail solution? Virtual hosts and spam detection. I was hoping to do some greylisting. |
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| 19:57.17 | azeem | probably RichiH k-lined first and checked later |
| 19:57.21 | azeem | ;) |
| 19:57.21 | valdyn | Malagmyr: add interfaces like eth0:1 and add ips |
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| 19:57.49 | mick_linux | jeremy_c: clamav + spamassasin |
| 19:57.52 | Phil2 | jeremy_c: I use postfix coupled with spamassassin to receive mails/remove spam |
| 19:57.55 | RichiH | abchirk: never :) |
| 19:58.00 | Malagmyr | valdyn: that's the plan, yes, but how is it done? is there a small guide to doing that somewhere? any tips on what I should google for? |
| 19:58.16 | Malagmyr | valdyn: I don't know what to call what I'm looking for, so it's kinda hard to search for it. |
| 19:58.20 | tralala | there was a way to limit the resources a user can have but I cannot recall it. Any help? |
| 19:59.14 | valdyn | Malagmyr: ifconfig eth0 add <newIP> |
| 19:59.16 | abchirk | ehm does anyone knows a freeversion of knoppicillin? |
| 19:59.22 | Delgul_ | ok... I need libapache-mod-auth-mysql or another mysql authentication module in apache under Etch. Cant find it... Googling shows me others cant find it too... Can anyone point me in the right direction here? I mean, this MUST be a moduel that is frequently used... |
| 19:59.22 | yess | There is /etc/hostname file - I understand that this is the place to set hostname. Where should I set my domainname? |
| 19:59.36 | abchirk | This livecd with Virusscan for windows? |
| 19:59.39 | valdyn | Malagmyr: run ifconfig -a after that and look.. |
| 19:59.52 | h3sp4wn | tralala: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 20:00.20 | Delgul_ | perhaps there is a backport for libapache2-mod-auth-mysql ? |
| 20:00.32 | tralala | h3sp4wn: yupee! Thanks |
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| 20:01.14 | Malagmyr | valdyn: yay. thanks |
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| 20:01.44 | Delgul_ | libapache2-mod-auth-mysql anyone? |
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| 20:05.42 | Roey | (hello |
| 20:05.50 | Roey | are there any spam traps out there for postfix on debian etch? |
| 20:06.41 | solars | moshii, something about that topic: http://technocrat.watson-wilson.ca/blosxom/computer/encrypted-storage.html he decrypts the files only to ram there |
| 20:07.18 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to save a text file kedit that notepad will open in proper format/ |
| 20:07.20 | madclicker | ? |
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| 20:09.51 | cureless | madclicker: you can run the text file through unix2dos |
| 20:09.55 | ehj20 | zinx: I can't find isovfy in my sarge repositories. FYI, the iso concerned is one of two created from a .bin/.cue pair with bchunk. When I try to mount -o loop the second iso I get a 'you must specify the filesystem type' error. |
| 20:10.08 | cureless | madclicker: otherwise, wordpad I think might be able to open it. |
| 20:11.29 | madclicker | cureless, thanks |
| 20:11.45 | yang | Which software must I use to establish GPRS pcmcia card connection on my laptop? |
| 20:13.28 | geo-rge | yang: a driver for the card plus "card services" (which may include that driver) |
| 20:13.32 | zinx | ehj20: it comes with mkisofs |
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| 20:13.46 | zinx | ehj20: bchunk isn't that smart |
| 20:14.03 | abrotman | madclicker: or use wordpad |
| 20:14.25 | blondie | run notepad.exe in wine! |
| 20:14.31 | yang | geo-rge: but which program to establish the GPRS connection? |
| 20:14.35 | geo-rge | and if that doesn't work... use notepad :) |
| 20:14.40 | geo-rge | err wordpad |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | see .. it's people like that who make the world a crappy place |
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| 20:15.36 | geo-rge | yang: not familiar with gprs... but if you can say more about that, we can find out |
| 20:15.57 | Zvpun | abrotman, stew: to me it looks like ssh from stable (1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.6) cannot connect with ssh from testing (1:4.3p2-6) |
| 20:16.13 | yang | geo-rge: ok, let me just plug the laptop and see what dmesg says about it |
| 20:16.23 | Flimzy | It is possible to set up a Debian repository that requires authentication, for internal-use-only .deb's, right? |
| 20:16.36 | geo-rge | sounds reasonable |
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| 20:17.45 | geo-rge | Flimzy: internal-only, yes.. auth, maybe |
| 20:17.58 | Flimzy | Auth is what I need |
| 20:18.04 | ehj20 | zinx: well isovfy isn't too happy with the iso from bchunk. Do you know of anything cleverer than bchunk? |
| 20:18.06 | Flimzy | because network topology speaking, it won't be internal |
| 20:18.07 | rfrank | Easiest way to isntall JRE on unstable? |
| 20:18.12 | Flimzy | It will be for use by about 2000 of our clients |
| 20:18.21 | geo-rge | aha |
| 20:18.21 | zinx | ehj20: not really |
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| 20:18.33 | Flimzy | So needs to be accessable over the Internet... but needs authentication so only authorized ppl can use it |
| 20:18.39 | moshii | Flimzy: maybe some sort of auth on the ftpd.. |
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| 20:18.58 | Flimzy | moshii: Sure, setting up ftpd for auth is easy. The question would be... does apt support authetnicated ftp? |
| 20:19.08 | Flimzy | it probably does... |
| 20:19.09 | Flimzy | heh |
| 20:19.17 | moshii | Flimzy: that's what I was thinking about |
| 20:19.25 | Flimzy | Oh, and a bittorrent method would be totally awesome for a deb line, too :P |
| 20:19.40 | moshii | Flimzy: it exists.. |
| 20:19.46 | Flimzy | bittorrent does? |
| 20:19.46 | ehj20 | zinx: Okay, cool. Thanks for your help. |
| 20:19.52 | Flimzy | sweet |
| 20:19.59 | Flimzy | Does *that* support authentication? :P |
| 20:20.04 | RvGaTe | Is the macromedia flash plugin in the debian etch repositories? |
| 20:20.15 | moshii | Flimzy: apt-torrent I think, but to be honest getting a mirror at your isp is better idea |
| 20:20.17 | geo-rge | if aptitude or apt-get can get its stuff in one auth session, it would at least be easier to add auth |
| 20:20.33 | Flimzy | moshii: We can manage our own mirrors. |
| 20:20.55 | moshii | Flimzy: I meant instead of everyone torrenting packages ;) |
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| 20:21.25 | Flimzy | moshii: The main reason we might consider a torrent is so that our 2000+ clients can host packages for each other, rather than depending on our own network resources to feed every single client |
| 20:21.38 | moshii | Flimzy: true |
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| 20:21.42 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 20:21.45 | bbelt16ag | i am here |
| 20:21.47 | geo-rge | could "to be honest" mean you weren't before? (from "things that make you go 'wow! coffee!'") |
| 20:21.48 | Flimzy | moshii: And/or so our 3 network locations can all feed the 2000 clients, rather than just one of them. |
| 20:22.25 | moshii | Flimzy: have you tried ftp://user:password@host in a deb source line? |
| 20:22.38 | Flimzy | moshii: Not yet. But it probaby is that easy :) |
| 20:22.44 | Zvpun | does someone have acces to ssh from stable and testing (version 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.6 and 1:4.3p2-6)? Could you please try to connect from stable to testing? |
| 20:22.45 | Flimzy | moshii: I don't have a repository set up yet. |
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| 20:23.25 | geo-rge | Flimzy: but you can at least test to see if an ftpd could do that |
| 20:23.43 | Flimzy | geo-rge: good idea |
| 20:23.43 | CharminTheMoose | BOLLOCKS. |
| 20:23.48 | rfrank | Zvpun, why would that not work |
| 20:23.50 | blondie | testicles |
| 20:23.52 | CharminTheMoose | Dpkg just ruined Lost on me! |
| 20:24.01 | geo-rge | BOLLOCKS becomes you |
| 20:24.03 | rfrank | Anyone know how to install JRE on unstable |
| 20:24.09 | abrotman | rfrank: /msg dpkg install java |
| 20:24.12 | Zvpun | rfrank: did it work for you? It doesnt for the machines I have access to. |
| 20:24.28 | moshii | rfrank: IIRC jdk and jre binary packages are in unstable now |
| 20:24.28 | CharminTheMoose | i'm sad now |
| 20:24.42 | CharminTheMoose | like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
| 20:24.51 | Flimzy | okay, time for an exciting meeting... bbiab |
| 20:25.19 | moshii | Flimzy: so exciting you sit there wishing you could eat your own head? |
| 20:25.27 | rfrank | E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk |
| 20:25.31 | Flimzy | moshii: You're pretty smart :) |
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| 20:25.47 | bbelt16ag | anybody know what is wrong with this person's gdm or X? |
| 20:25.59 | bbelt16ag | all he gets is a gray screen and a mouse icon.. |
| 20:26.01 | stew | rfrank: its in non-free: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 20:26.01 | moshii | rfrank: sun-java5-jre |
| 20:26.04 | geo-rge | rfrank:hmmmmmm... could it beeeee in non-freeeeee? |
| 20:26.07 | bbelt16ag | i am getting his specs |
| 20:26.11 | wols_ | bbelt16ag: he has no windowmanager |
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| 20:26.45 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 20:26.50 | bbelt16ag | he has gdm installed |
| 20:26.51 | abrotman | or isn't actually running GDM |
| 20:27.02 | bbelt16ag | it says its installed |
| 20:27.19 | abrotman | doesn't mean it's running |
| 20:27.19 | bbelt16ag | he did apt-get install gdm, and it sayed the package was installed |
| 20:27.22 | geo-rge | btw you will get the jre wiht a jdk... and what you will also get is java compilers and other software development tools |
| 20:27.25 | moshii | bbelt16ag: what happends when you do /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 20:27.29 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 20:27.43 | pickcoder-lunch | is gnome installed? |
| 20:27.45 | pickcoder-lunch | heh |
| 20:27.52 | abrotman | gnome doesn't need to be installed to have gdm work |
| 20:27.57 | moshii | bbelt16ag: gdm won't start if you run startx etch |
| 20:27.58 | geo-rge | yeah, there's two on my lawn!~ |
| 20:28.01 | pickcoder-lunch | to get to a desktop it does |
| 20:28.11 | abrotman | no .. you can use gdm to login into KDE |
| 20:28.17 | bbelt16ag | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600] that is his card |
| 20:28.26 | Squall` | after updating some X-related stuff, I get this error message upon starting init and x won't start: Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
| 20:28.27 | abrotman | that's irrelevent |
| 20:28.29 | Squall` | Fatal server error: |
| 20:28.32 | Squall` | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 20:28.33 | geo-rge | howcome? |
| 20:28.35 | pickcoder-lunch | true, but there has to be a desktop environment to load into |
| 20:28.35 | Squall` | oops, sorry, I didn't think that would paste all at once |
| 20:28.37 | moshii | bbelt16ag: if your getting the funky grey screen x is a least working |
| 20:28.43 | bbelt16ag | thats good |
| 20:29.14 | geo-rge | Squall`: that's just a warning |
| 20:29.19 | moshii | bbelt16ag: what does "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" do if you run it from a virtual terminal |
| 20:29.29 | shwag__ | is Etch being released today ? |
| 20:29.30 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 20:29.30 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 20:29.31 | geo-rge | oh, that's the font server |
| 20:29.36 | abrotman | pickcoder-lunch: tha'ts not what he is saying |
| 20:29.44 | RvGaTe | anyone ? |
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| 20:29.58 | pickcoder-lunch | my food seems more appealing at the moment... |
| 20:30.00 | pickcoder-lunch | <g> |
| 20:30.57 | Squall` | !fontfix |
| 20:30.58 | dpkg | i heard fontfix is that some people have been having problems with XFree 4.0.x; if you have xfonts-base installed, but it still can't find the "fixed" font, ask me about "install xf4" and make sure /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc is in your font path. ask me about fonts.alias, or don't forget to restart xfs, or ask about fixedfont, or ask about "squares" |
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| 20:31.48 | geo-rge | the squares were a berkeley band that had the yet-unsigned Joe Satriani |
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| 20:32.28 | abrotman | stew: it's borked! |
| 20:32.29 | pickcoder-lunch | Satch Boogey |
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| 20:32.50 | geo-rge | gotta boogey! |
| 20:32.55 | jeremy_c | Phil2: can spamassassin reject mail at the server w/a 550 code, for instance? Or does it just mark spam for the client to handle? |
| 20:33.07 | geo-rge | gotta boogey on muh finger and I can't get it off! |
| 20:33.21 | pickcoder-lunch | I also listen to Yngwie |
| 20:33.24 | pickcoder-lunch | occasionally |
| 20:33.26 | stew | abrotman: what? |
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| 20:33.28 | Guerin | oh god |
| 20:33.32 | Guerin | guitar-wank |
| 20:33.33 | abrotman | stew: your hostname |
| 20:33.41 | geo-rge | pickcoder-lunch: start listening to Scott Henderson... |
| 20:33.42 | Guerin | listen to a real guitarist, like neil young |
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| 20:33.52 | abrotman | stew: i only noticed because of rcox |
| 20:33.57 | geo-rge | THAT guy is amazing |
| 20:34.07 | geo-rge | if you like the kinda stuff he does |
| 20:34.35 | stew | abrotman: what do you mean? just that i have a default rr.com ptr? |
| 20:34.49 | abrotman | yeah |
| 20:34.57 | pickcoder-lunch | personally, I prefer BMG |
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| 20:35.26 | geo-rge | what;s bmg? |
| 20:35.36 | wols_ | bertelsmann music group |
| 20:35.40 | wols_ | one of the big five |
| 20:35.44 | wols_ | aka evil RIAA |
| 20:35.45 | pickcoder-lunch | I used to really like Yngwie until he became such an arse to people |
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| 20:35.52 | biopyte | hi. is there a channel for xara xtreme? couldnt google it. |
| 20:35.54 | pickcoder-lunch | BMG = Blue Man Group |
| 20:36.01 | Guerin | pickcoder-lunch: you seriously choose music on the basis of which of the big-5 labels? |
| 20:36.05 | geo-rge | perhaps he was always an ass :) |
| 20:36.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 20:36.19 | Guerin | biopyte: never heard of it |
| 20:36.20 | pickcoder-lunch | he was, but didn't diss people who helped him along the way |
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| 20:36.31 | biopyte | Guerin, ok |
| 20:36.31 | pickcoder-lunch | anyway |
| 20:36.48 | wols_ | Guerin: vector graphics. closed. or at least payware iirc |
| 20:36.54 | stew | abrotman: its been that way since we moved, this is a box that we parked in a client's office |
| 20:36.58 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:37.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:37.18 | pickcoder-lunch | Guerin: what are you suggesting? |
| 20:37.26 | Guerin | pickcoder-lunch: ? |
| 20:37.33 | pickcoder-lunch | big-5 labels? |
| 20:37.34 | rfrank | how can I add non-free sources to my synaptic |
| 20:37.43 | moshii | rfrank: nano or vi |
| 20:37.45 | Guerin | pickcoder-lunch: i thought you really did mean BMG the music label |
| 20:37.50 | Guerin | colour me gullible |
| 20:37.52 | pickcoder-lunch | oh |
| 20:37.53 | abrotman | !tell rfrank about non-free |
| 20:37.54 | moshii | rfrank: or sed.. |
| 20:37.54 | geo-rge | you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:37.56 | wols_ | rfrank: add the repo to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 20:38.01 | wols_ | rfrank: add the repo to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:38.02 | rfrank | I nkow |
| 20:38.04 | geo-rge | what color is that?? :) |
| 20:38.07 | rfrank | you can edit sources.list |
| 20:38.13 | rfrank | just, where on my mirror would it be |
| 20:38.15 | geo-rge | so do that :) |
| 20:38.25 | wols_ | rfrank: how would we know your mirror? |
| 20:38.29 | rfrank | I nkow its in pool/nonfree |
| 20:38.31 | pickcoder-lunch | I saw the BMG show in Vegas in 03. Can't wait to go back, if I can even get tickets now. |
| 20:38.34 | rfrank | but.... egh |
| 20:38.35 | moshii | rfrank: you add non-free next to main basically |
| 20:38.41 | geo-rge | you just add non-free, if the mirror has it, it will find it |
| 20:38.49 | rfrank | but unstable is in the dists/ folder and non-free is in the pool/ folder |
| 20:38.50 | rfrank | on the mirror that is |
| 20:38.56 | geo-rge | main contrib non-free |
| 20:38.56 | moshii | rfrank: you don't add another source unless that one doesn't have non-fre.. |
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| 20:39.01 | geo-rge | should be that |
| 20:39.09 | geo-rge | you might only have main |
| 20:39.16 | Viking1 | anyone help with kernel-2.6.19? |
| 20:39.36 | abrotman | #kernel ? |
| 20:39.39 | geo-rge | not until you read /msg dpkg sicco |
| 20:39.44 | blondie | is that even in debian? |
| 20:39.52 | geo-rge | I think it might be |
| 20:39.55 | Guerin | nope |
| 20:40.13 | Guerin | unless it went in overnight |
| 20:40.16 | abrotman | not evne in experimental |
| 20:40.20 | geo-rge | dunno |
| 20:40.30 | stew | 2.6.19 is not likely to enter unstable until after etch |
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| 20:40.39 | geo-rge | so the guy isnt' working on it yet maybe? |
| 20:40.49 | moshii | I have a debian xen server running what looks like a redhat kernel installed by the people that host it, does anyone know xen enough to help me get a debian kernel going without breaking it? ;) |
| 20:41.06 | Guerin | moshii: why bother, if the red hat kernel works? |
| 20:41.16 | geo-rge | yeah, what da deal? |
| 20:41.23 | Viking1 | upgraded from 2.6.18 to 2.6.19 and have problem now with getting past twinhan usb device at boot.. |
| 20:41.27 | moshii | Guerin: because it's been seriously retarded |
| 20:41.27 | abrotman | jim ? |
| 20:41.34 | Guerin | Viking1: 2.6.19 isn't in debian |
| 20:42.09 | moshii | Guerin: If I need a module I have to get them to install it and wait months for it |
| 20:42.16 | abrotman | Viking1: please ask #kernel |
| 20:42.17 | Viking1 | kernel.org |
| 20:42.19 | Viking1 | ok |
| 20:42.24 | Viking1 | thanks |
| 20:42.39 | Guerin | moshii: that's just poor service. I'd ask in #xen |
| 20:43.00 | moshii | Guerin: they won't even take more money off of me >_< |
| 20:43.08 | Guerin | the fools! |
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| 20:43.33 | Zvpun | does someone have acces to ssh from stable and testing (version 1:3.8.1p1-8.sarge.6 and 1:4.3p2-6)? Could you please try to connect from stable to testing? |
| 20:43.46 | blondie | Zvpun: yes it works fine. |
| 20:44.00 | asg | Zvpun: works fine here |
| 20:44.26 | Zvpun | so I am out of ideas |
| 20:44.39 | geo-rge | Zvpun: perhaps each is missing the other's protocol in the config? |
| 20:44.44 | asg | Zvpun: /msg dpkg debug ssh (migh be debug sshd) |
| 20:44.45 | geo-rge | like ssh1 and ssh2 or somethign |
| 20:45.16 | pickcoder | Zvpun: is there an error? |
| 20:45.31 | blondie | ssh -v |
| 20:46.07 | Zvpun | pickcoder: no, there is no response after ssh foo@bar |
| 20:47.11 | blondie | Zvpun: ssh -v |
| 20:47.21 | blondie | and how long did you wait? |
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| 20:47.40 | pickcoder | try foo@IP |
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| 20:48.07 | Cald | hello |
| 20:48.10 | Zvpun | blondie: infinitly long |
| 20:48.35 | blondie | and did you try -v ? |
| 20:48.36 | Cald | does someone know how can i limit bandwidth, or set priority to bandwidth, per user in the system plz ? |
| 20:48.42 | abrotman | Zvpun: that's nto true .. you'd still be waiting |
| 20:48.52 | abrotman | Cald: wondershaper .. maybe ? |
| 20:49.13 | asg | abrotman: does wondershaper lift and separate also? |
| 20:49.14 | Cald | i don't know that, i take a look |
| 20:49.20 | Qshadowp | Hmm, first time user to linux. i just installed it and when i boot up i get a grey background with a white mouse pointer, nothing else |
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| 20:49.33 | blondie | not sure if you can restrict bandwidth per user... maybe you can |
| 20:49.35 | Qshadowp | a friend of mine said it might be something to do with the fact im useing a ATI Graphics card, or that im useing 2 monitors |
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| 20:49.51 | blondie | Qshadowp: more likely you haven't isntalled something like gnome or kde |
| 20:50.01 | Cald | well, if i can't restrict, setting priority anyway :/ |
| 20:50.01 | abrotman | asg: you wish |
| 20:50.10 | asg | damn |
| 20:50.13 | Qshadowp | blondie no i havn't installed anything apart from the debian iso which i downloaded ;P |
| 20:50.23 | protocol1 | Etch suppose tp release today? |
| 20:50.23 | asg | Cald: #iptables may also be a helpful resource |
| 20:50.27 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
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| 20:50.35 | blondie | Qshadowp: try apt-get install gnome |
| 20:50.37 | bbelt16ag | Qshadowp: try doing apt-get install kde kdm |
| 20:50.37 | asg | protocol1: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 20:50.38 | stew | asg: it does. it lifts my ssh packets into a queue above the one containing my wife's bittorrent pacakges which are separated |
| 20:50.40 | blondie | or kde |
| 20:50.41 | bbelt16ag | or that |
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| 20:50.50 | asg | stew: ah haha |
| 20:50.51 | Qshadowp | lol |
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| 20:50.58 | abrotman | and install x-window-system |
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| 20:51.08 | stew | s/pacakges/packets/ |
| 20:51.21 | asg | stew: if etch releases on the 7th, what do I win? |
| 20:51.31 | stew | asg: probably a pony |
| 20:51.46 | Guerin | \o/ |
| 20:51.52 | abrotman | !etch pool 1 |
| 20:51.53 | dpkg | well, etch pool 1 is caphuso=WIR/SIYH/RSN! Guerin=2007-03-13 node3667=2007-01-18 luna35=2006-12-24 sid=2006-12-20 bibe=2007-02-15 bloom=once_in_a_blue_moon_like_last_time HelmutG=2007-12-01 Eulex=2007-05-17 Arsion=2006-04-15 scarynetworkguy=2006-01-03 streuner=2006-06-06 mdh=2006-09-11 antgel=2006-12-05 asg=2006-12-07 resiak=2007-04-21 greycat=2007-07-07 abrotman, chealer=2007-10-02 r3v=2008-07-23 simonrvn=when_the_cows_come_home, or stew: 2007-01-15 |
| 20:51.56 | Zvpun | blondie: http://www.copypot.com/1181 |
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| 20:52.06 | lumpy | hi folks |
| 20:52.11 | abrotman | i've still got almost a year to go! |
| 20:52.24 | Zvpun | abrotman: yes you are correct, ... |
| 20:52.25 | stew | asg: hopefully you'll win a ticket back to reality, becuase it ain't happening by the 7th |
| 20:52.30 | abrotman | Zvpun: ? |
| 20:52.43 | lumpy | anyone using dyndns? |
| 20:52.44 | Guerin | stew: hater! |
| 20:52.48 | blondie | lumpy: yes |
| 20:52.49 | Zvpun | abrotman: you are right, I have not waited forever |
| 20:52.49 | Guerin | !anyone use dyndns? |
| 20:52.50 | dpkg | No, no one uses dyndns, not even the people who use it. |
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| 20:53.01 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:53.12 | lumpy | blondie: are the dyndns username and the hostname the same? |
| 20:53.37 | blondie | er |
| 20:53.41 | lumpy | Guerin: k, Guerin |
| 20:53.53 | Zvpun | geo-rge: I cant get version 1 to work but AFAIK both use ssh version 2 |
| 20:54.03 | lumpy | blondie: i mean you have a username + password ... |
| 20:54.11 | geo-rge | Zvpun: ok, that sounds good... |
| 20:54.22 | lumpy | blondie: and e.g. yourname.dyndns.org |
| 20:54.23 | Qshadowp | blondiei tried apt-get install kde kdm and it scrolled alot of stuff, still the same problem when i try to login though |
| 20:54.23 | geo-rge | there's ssh -v |
| 20:54.26 | blondie | no they're different |
| 20:54.36 | geo-rge | you can watch that to see what it's doing |
| 20:54.40 | lumpy | blondie: ok |
| 20:54.43 | blondie | did you do dpkg-reconfigure ddclient? |
| 20:54.57 | Qshadowp | nope |
| 20:55.18 | lumpy | blondie: no haven't installed a ddclient yet |
| 20:55.34 | lumpy | blondie: i was about getting an account. |
| 20:55.35 | Qshadowp | dd client isn't installed it says :P |
| 20:55.47 | bbelt16ag | no no |
| 20:55.56 | blondie | oh |
| 20:55.57 | bbelt16ag | Qshadowp: did you hit yes ? |
| 20:56.10 | bbelt16ag | its got to install packages |
| 20:56.15 | bbelt16ag | try gnome |
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| 20:56.19 | Qshadowp | ok |
| 20:56.28 | Qshadowp | what do i type for that again? |
| 20:56.32 | bbelt16ag | when its asks y/n (yes/no) yes yes |
| 20:56.35 | bbelt16ag | hit yes |
| 20:56.42 | bbelt16ag | apt-get install gnome |
| 20:56.58 | Qshadowp | yup loads of writeing again |
| 20:57.01 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:57.05 | Qshadowp | 2 questions about installing stuff, answered y to both |
| 20:57.06 | bbelt16ag | just wait |
| 20:57.08 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:57.10 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.12 | bbelt16ag | cool |
| 20:57.18 | bbelt16ag | downloading? |
| 20:57.41 | asg | stew: yeah, I was rather optimistic in my wager |
| 20:57.45 | geo-rge | damn dood likes enter key |
| 20:57.50 | geo-rge | !enter |
| 20:57.50 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 20:57.50 | Qshadowp | from what i can see all the downloads said Temporary failure resolveing []ftp.uk.debian.org[] |
| 20:58.10 | bbelt16ag | ohh |
| 20:58.17 | Qshadowp | lol |
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| 20:58.21 | bbelt16ag | try ping www.google.com |
| 20:58.28 | bbelt16ag | see if you can get out of the lan |
| 20:58.33 | geo-rge | you don't have to exit, but stop entering so much! |
| 20:58.37 | Qshadowp | ping: unknown host www.google.com |
| 20:58.41 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:58.44 | Qshadowp | geo-rge lol |
| 20:59.03 | bbelt16ag | check ur ethernet connection |
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| 20:59.05 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 20:59.12 | Qshadowp | bbelt16ag my ethernet is fine, direct cable into a router |
| 20:59.19 | bbelt16ag | you got a light in the back? |
| 20:59.23 | Qshadowp | been useing it in windows for months |
| 20:59.29 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 20:59.35 | bbelt16ag | check the back |
| 20:59.40 | ShdB | tarzeau: zh |
| 20:59.49 | Qshadowp | yup theres a light :P |
| 21:00.01 | bbelt16ag | ping your router( usually 192.168.1.1) |
| 21:00.16 | tarzeau | ShdB: your lag felt like you're from be :) |
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| 21:00.34 | sid | http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-i320 |
| 21:00.34 | ShdB | *g* |
| 21:00.34 | sid | When I add a network printer, what driver do I chose for that printer? |
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| 21:00.41 | Guerin | sid: none |
| 21:00.51 | Qshadowp | my router is 192.168.2.1 |
| 21:00.53 | ShdB | wasn't on the pc |
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| 21:01.02 | Qshadowp | however, 192.168.2.1 and 1.1 do not reply :( |
| 21:01.04 | bbelt16ag | ok ping 192.168.2.1 |
| 21:01.05 | Guerin | sid: oh, you mean a printer with an ethernet jack |
| 21:01.08 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:01.09 | Guerin | ? |
| 21:01.12 | geo-rge | bbelt16ag: and if not that, you can find router by doing route -n and looking for the gateway route |
| 21:01.14 | sid | Guerin: I can't click next(forward) if I don't click one. |
| 21:01.17 | Qshadowp | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 21:01.24 | Kevin` | my router is 192.168.182.3 |
| 21:01.25 | sid | Guerin: I have this printer attacked to a windows XP machine. |
| 21:01.30 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 21:01.38 | Kevin` | I should go to sleep now, saying random things like that |
| 21:01.39 | sid | Guerin: And I'm on Debian sid now, trying to add it as a network printer. |
| 21:01.39 | bbelt16ag | no network Qshadowp |
| 21:01.49 | Qshadowp | linux lies? :P |
| 21:01.52 | sid | But that printer isn't listed in the cups list for "Canon" |
| 21:01.56 | Qshadowp | or else i wouldn't be talking right now? |
| 21:02.01 | bbelt16ag | nope |
| 21:02.12 | bbelt16ag | on that box not setup properly |
| 21:02.12 | Guerin | sid: bah, no idea how to do that. Using CUPS, you just publish the printer on the server, and it shows up automagically on all other cups clients |
| 21:02.17 | bbelt16ag | you need to fix it first |
| 21:02.22 | bbelt16ag | afk a min bathroom |
| 21:02.24 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.24 | Qshadowp | but it works fine in windows bbelt16ag |
| 21:02.25 | geo-rge | sid: what if you were to attach it to a linux/unix machine and establish a lpd there? then you could print to it from anywhere on your net |
| 21:02.28 | Qshadowp | ok :) |
| 21:02.38 | bbelt16ag | does not matter Qshadowp linux is diff then windblows |
| 21:02.54 | Guerin | !works in windows |
| 21:02.54 | dpkg | liar ! |
| 21:02.59 | Guerin | :) |
| 21:03.12 | geo-rge | bbelt16ag: but that's not to say that it could work across the net |
| 21:03.17 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 21:03.25 | geo-rge | couldn't even |
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| 21:04.43 | geo-rge | barbobarbo! |
| 21:04.56 | Guerin | _ |
| 21:05.03 | geo-rge | oh, forgot |
| 21:05.09 | bbelt16ag | anyways |
| 21:05.24 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 21:05.28 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 21:05.30 | bbelt16ag | you got problems |
| 21:05.36 | Qshadowp | lol i know |
| 21:05.37 | bbelt16ag | reinstall and pay attention again! |
| 21:05.43 | Qshadowp | aww |
| 21:05.47 | Qshadowp | what did i do wrong last time? |
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| 21:05.49 | spyro_boy | hi |
| 21:05.50 | Phated | Er... |
| 21:05.54 | bbelt16ag | you skipped stuff |
| 21:05.58 | spyro_boy | How well does debian install from QEMU? |
| 21:05.59 | Qshadowp | it did ask me if i used a proxy but i said no, i take it that was a wrong decision? |
| 21:06.00 | bbelt16ag | did you setup the ethernet? |
| 21:06.06 | Phated | Reinstall because of a network issue? RECONFIGURE, maybe, but NOT REINSTALL. |
| 21:06.06 | bbelt16ag | no |
| 21:06.18 | bbelt16ag | now i am getting hounded |
| 21:06.20 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 21:06.24 | bbelt16ag | he has bad packages.. |
| 21:06.31 | geo-rge | right you dont' have to reinstall unless you want to |
| 21:06.33 | bbelt16ag | prolly set the wrong driver for X too |
| 21:06.42 | geo-rge | bbelt16ag: that sounds like a medical issue :) |
| 21:06.44 | Qshadowp | bbelt16ag i never set any drivers :( |
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| 21:06.50 | Qshadowp | hey :( |
| 21:06.55 | Phated | ... er, whatever, you can have it, because you get to fix it if you ask him to reinstall over a trivial network config issue. |
| 21:06.56 | Qshadowp | first time i ever used linux lol |
| 21:07.03 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:07.06 | bbelt16ag | see? |
| 21:07.09 | Phated | And you know fuckall, because you're talking about X when he's asking about networking. |
| 21:07.15 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 21:07.21 | geo-rge | Qshadowp: out of idle curiousity, why linux now? |
| 21:07.21 | bbelt16ag | he has X issues too |
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| 21:07.33 | bbelt16ag | we got to the network problem when we tried to apt-get install gnome |
| 21:07.33 | Qshadowp | geo-rge because its better than windows? |
| 21:07.35 | geo-rge | there's magazines for that :) |
| 21:07.36 | Zap-W | Is it possible to publish pam limit,access and time restrictions set on the Master NIS server to all NIS clients? |
| 21:07.38 | Phated | bbelt16ag: Without fixing the network, I sincerely doubt he should bother with X. |
| 21:07.38 | bbelt16ag | failure in name resolution |
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| 21:07.53 | bbelt16ag | qsh do this : |
| 21:07.55 | bbelt16ag | ifconfig |
| 21:07.55 | boodi1 | hi |
| 21:08.08 | bbelt16ag | do you got a eth0? |
| 21:08.09 | Phated | i.e., if he can't get a network going, he a) DOESN'T need to reinstall, b) should fix it before getting Gnome. |
| 21:08.35 | Qshadowp | i don't see anything to do with eth0 but i have alot of other networking stuff |
| 21:08.41 | Qshadowp | i'll pastey it. |
| 21:08.47 | wols_ | !paster |
| 21:08.48 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:08.48 | bbelt16ag | on pastebin pls |
| 21:08.50 | wols_ | not in here |
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| 21:09.00 | asg | Qshadowp: does 'ifconfig -a' show an eth0 (or and ethX of any kind) |
| 21:09.09 | Qshadowp | thats what i meant by pastey :P |
| 21:09.12 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:09.36 | Qshadowp | it shows a eth0, a lo, and a sit0 |
| 21:09.41 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:09.45 | bbelt16ag | atleast you got that |
| 21:09.47 | Qshadowp | ifconfig just shows the lo. |
| 21:09.55 | bbelt16ag | ifconfig -a |
| 21:09.59 | Phated | Qshadowp: ifconfig eth0 up |
| 21:10.13 | Qshadowp | phated done |
| 21:10.25 | Phated | ifconfig? |
| 21:10.25 | bbelt16ag | try to ping the router again |
| 21:10.28 | Qshadowp | bbelt16ag eth0 is at the top now |
| 21:10.34 | bbelt16ag | good |
| 21:10.43 | Qshadowp | Network is still unreachable |
| 21:10.54 | bbelt16ag | ... |
| 21:10.58 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 21:11.00 | geo-rge | Phated: you're thinking he doesn't have interfaces set up properly? |
| 21:11.08 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:11.11 | Phated | geo-rge: I'm thinking he doesn't, but bbelt16ag has his own ideas. |
| 21:11.13 | asg | geo-rge: we know he doesn't |
| 21:11.19 | bbelt16ag | cd /etc/network |
| 21:11.22 | boodi1 | hi: does anybody know where the cgi-bin programs go in apache2? |
| 21:11.27 | geo-rge | oh ok |
| 21:11.29 | bbelt16ag | he does not have it setup for dhcp. |
| 21:12.07 | Qshadowp | bbelt16ag done |
| 21:12.08 | geo-rge | he could pastebin the file :) |
| 21:12.08 | Kevin` | boodi1 wherever you want, as defined by the config |
| 21:12.08 | Phated | Psychic friends hotline, dude. |
| 21:12.08 | Kevin` | even in with the normal files if you wanty |
| 21:12.08 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:12.12 | bbelt16ag | type dir |
| 21:12.17 | geo-rge | there should be a Psychic Ambivalent Individuals Hotline |
| 21:12.18 | bbelt16ag | do you see interfaces? |
| 21:12.22 | Phated | "ls" ;) |
| 21:12.23 | bbelt16ag | then |
| 21:12.25 | asg | bbelt16ag: dir? |
| 21:12.25 | Qshadowp | bbelt16ag yes |
| 21:12.28 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:12.34 | geo-rge | it's a alias usually |
| 21:12.35 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to help here |
| 21:12.38 | Phated | geo-rge: It is. |
| 21:12.41 | geo-rge | probably commented out tho :)_ |
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| 21:12.48 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 21:12.49 | boodi1 | well, in the old apache they were by default in the directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin, i think |
| 21:12.49 | asg | geo-rge: why would anyone alias a two letter command to a three letter one? |
| 21:12.53 | bbelt16ag | "vi interfaces" |
| 21:12.54 | Phated | bbelt16ag: Yeah, and have shown that you know less about linux than most, if you're still using dir ;) |
| 21:13.00 | Phated | asg: DOS. |
| 21:13.05 | bbelt16ag | i use ls |
| 21:13.14 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to get him comfortable here |
| 21:13.14 | geo-rge | asg: it's aliased to a 5-char cmd :) |
| 21:13.15 | Phated | so... why does -he- need to use dir? |
| 21:13.15 | Qshadowp | bbelt16ag done |
| 21:13.18 | bbelt16ag | using commands he knows |
| 21:13.19 | stew | dir is not an alias in debian |
| 21:13.21 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 21:13.23 | asg | Phated: it was a rhetorical question |
| 21:13.25 | Phated | stew: Yes it is. |
| 21:13.26 | Qshadowp | lol |
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| 21:13.44 | stew | Phated: what does "file $(which dir)" say? |
| 21:13.45 | asg | geo-rge: a two character command with some useful options |
| 21:13.51 | bbelt16ag | you see whhere eth0 is in the files? |
| 21:13.54 | geo-rge | right |
| 21:13.59 | bbelt16ag | does it look like this ? |
| 21:14.01 | bbelt16ag | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:14.01 | Phated | stew: OK, fine, not an alias, sure, whatever. semantics. |
| 21:14.01 | geo-rge | ls -l specifically |
| 21:14.07 | geo-rge | 5 chars :) |
| 21:14.09 | Qshadowp | bbelt16ag yes |
| 21:14.14 | Phated | bbelt16ag: Maybe typing sentences on one line would help him read better too, and set a better example for his typing? |
| 21:14.20 | Qshadowp | also there is allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 21:14.22 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 21:14.27 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 21:14.33 | Qshadowp | and auto lo... and iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:14.37 | Qshadowp | the rest of it is #'d out. |
| 21:14.39 | bbelt16ag | ok thats cool |
| 21:14.40 | Phated | bbelt16ag: One line ;) |
| 21:14.40 | asg | geo-rge: ls is the command, '-l' is an option |
| 21:14.56 | geo-rge | and including the space, that's 5 chars :) |
| 21:15.06 | bbelt16ag | allright i forget the propersyntax, |
| 21:15.16 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 21:15.36 | bbelt16ag | what is the way to restart the interfaces, and its not ifconfig eth0 up, ifup??? |
| 21:15.42 | geo-rge | thepropersyntaxusuallycontainsspacesbutgofigure... |
| 21:15.50 | stew | bbelt16ag: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 21:16.11 | Qshadowp | i gotta type that i take it |
| 21:16.18 | Phated | Win. |
| 21:16.24 | geo-rge | dows |
| 21:16.26 | Phated | bbelt16ag: One. Line. |
| 21:16.29 | Qshadowp | blows |
| 21:16.37 | geo-rge | goats |
| 21:16.45 | Qshadowp | how do i get out of this interfaces file? |
| 21:16.51 | Qshadowp | and back to the prompt? |
| 21:17.01 | abrotman | depends on the editor |
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| 21:17.02 | asg | Qshadowp: what did you type to get into it in the first place? |
| 21:17.03 | Phated | Qshadowp: Esc, type :wq. |
| 21:17.08 | Qshadowp | thanks :P |
| 21:17.24 | Phated | asg: Because bbelt16ag is trying to get him COMFORTABLE, but has him using vim instead of nano or summat ;) |
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| 21:17.50 | asg | Phated: probably nvi |
| 21:18.04 | Phated | asg: Worse yet ^.^ That thing doesn't even -tell- you what mode you're in :) |
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| 21:18.22 | asg | Phated: when in doubt, hit ESC (twice) :) |
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| 21:18.30 | Qshadowp | Phated ping reply from 192.168.2.1 |
| 21:18.33 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 21:18.43 | geo-rge | yeah yeah, there are reasons to like your fav editor and not like others... |
| 21:18.46 | Phated | Qshadowp: Good for you. |
| 21:18.56 | Guerin | and no reasons to like vi |
| 21:19.14 | Phated | geo-rge: No, I like vim, but it runs contrary to "I'm asking him to use it even though i've asked him to use dir instead of ls to make him comfortable". |
| 21:19.16 | asg | Guerin: but plenty of reasons to love it |
| 21:19.20 | geo-rge | I did, but only ed and vi were available at the time :) |
| 21:19.22 | Phated | asg: When in doubt, wait for it to beeeeeep. |
| 21:19.36 | asg | Phated: I've disabled beeping to reduce stress |
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| 21:19.49 | Guerin | asg: stockholm syndrome |
| 21:20.10 | Phated | Guerin: Will people STOP saying that about me, first it was me and timgoh, now me and beeps... |
| 21:20.18 | geo-rge | do we need the entire history of Stockholm to understand that reference? :) |
| 21:20.19 | Phated | asg: Heh. As have I, but on a stock machine, it'll beep plenty ;) |
| 21:20.20 | asg | Guerin: haha |
| 21:20.25 | Guerin | Phated: i was talking about why vidiots still like vi |
| 21:20.33 | asg | Phated: true |
| 21:20.34 | Phated | Guerin: Eh, it works, what's not to like. |
| 21:20.42 | Guerin | yeah, well |
| 21:20.49 | Guerin | ed works, too, if you force it enough |
| 21:20.58 | asg | Guerin: it became comfortable for me before I had enough drive space to even download emacs. |
| 21:20.59 | Phated | Agree to disagree, please. Not something I care to argue. |
| 21:21.15 | Guerin | geo-rge: stockholm syndrom is when a captive begins to side with his or her captors |
| 21:21.38 | Guerin | asg: lies! emacs was only available on tape in those days! |
| 21:21.39 | geo-rge | ohh, there was a study at Stanford about that? |
| 21:21.46 | Guerin | geo-rge: there have been lots |
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| 21:21.59 | Guerin | geo-rge: it's even the subject of a james bond movie |
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| 21:22.11 | Phated | I thought it was the subject of all of them ^.^ |
| 21:22.42 | geo-rge | I wouldn't know... I don't really go for those |
| 21:22.42 | asg | Guerin: the thought of running emacs from tape makes me twitch |
| 21:22.42 | Guerin | Phated: that was it! If i'd wanted you to come and have a beer with me, i should have captured you! |
| 21:22.42 | Phated | asg: So would a blowjob, and you wouldn't turn that down :) |
| 21:22.48 | Phated | Guerin: After a while, I would have sided with you when they wanted me back! |
| 21:22.56 | geo-rge | in fact, I also don't go for the mission: impossible movies because they all miss the point of mi and become bond movie clones |
| 21:22.59 | Phated | Guerin: I'd never have left you willingly! |
| 21:22.59 | Guerin | Phated: right! |
| 21:23.03 | asg | Phated: not from you, no ;) |
| 21:23.07 | Guerin | not sure what deb would have thought |
| 21:23.09 | Phated | Guerin: And then I'd be dead! |
| 21:23.12 | tuxedup | what is the current status of etch, is it still in soft freeze, or had the hard freeze begun? |
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| 21:23.20 | Guerin | would depend how good at cooking and cleaning you are |
| 21:23.23 | Phated | Guerin: All for a drink with you. My god, but you are devious. |
| 21:23.26 | Guerin | tuxedup: soft, i believe |
| 21:23.35 | cydork | !tell tuxedup -about wwer |
| 21:23.37 | Phated | I'm good at cooking, I'll kill anyone who wants me to clean for them. |
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| 21:23.48 | asg | Phated: I'll clean, you cook |
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| 21:24.03 | Guerin | I cook, deb cleans. Except toilets, she draws the line there. |
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| 21:24.06 | Phated | asg: Domesticity with you? Oh, I can -hardly- wait. |
| 21:24.12 | cydork | asg: are you sure? :P |
| 21:24.14 | abrotman | Guerin: not like you ever hit it |
| 21:24.19 | Guerin | hah |
| 21:24.25 | DavidProck1982 | how do i fix this error message """No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel""" ? |
| 21:24.43 | Guerin | geo-rge: yes, life is too short for shit movies |
| 21:24.46 | DavidProck1982 | i need one |
| 21:24.48 | asg | Phated: I keep a very clean house, believe it or not. my $HOME, on the other hand, is permanently in disarray |
| 21:24.51 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: why? |
| 21:24.55 | streuner | DavidProck1982: cat /proc/version |
| 21:24.56 | geo-rge | """"""""""why so many quotes?""""""""""" |
| 21:25.02 | abrotman | it's ASP |
| 21:25.08 | Guerin | geo-rge: because he's """"retarded"""" |
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| 21:25.26 | asg | geo-rge: he was wikifying his output for some unknown reason |
| 21:25.32 | DavidProck1982 | i got some drivers off the site and when i set them up i get that message |
| 21:25.33 | Phated | asg: It's got nothing to do with how clean your house is. I plan on entering no domestic arrangements except with my boyfriend. You might have met him. At some point. |
| 21:25.47 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: which drivers? |
| 21:26.00 | Phated | Guerin: nvidia. |
| 21:26.05 | Guerin | these had better fucking not be nvidia drivers again |
| 21:26.18 | DavidProck1982 | brb, kids |
| 21:26.27 | shingouz | kids? |
| 21:26.30 | pickcoder | LOL |
| 21:26.32 | geo-rge | cmon guys n gals... I know you """helpers""" can do better than to discourage people |
| 21:26.32 | pickcoder | ok |
| 21:27.20 | Phated | Kids, says he to the people including at least two who were DESPERATELY trying to help him! MOTHERFUCKER. |
| 21:27.20 | Guerin | geo-rge: """piss off""" |
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| 21:27.20 | pickcoder | I'm fine |
| 21:27.20 | adamt | hi, i'm using konqueror + macromedia flash, but i have no sound - any ideas? |
| 21:27.20 | Guerin | adamt: complain to macdobedia |
| 21:27.36 | blondie | you mean adobe |
| 21:27.38 | blondie | oh |
| 21:27.44 | geo-rge | Phated: at least you're responding to what you see :) |
| 21:28.02 | Phated | geo-rge: What are you referring to, pray tell? |
| 21:28.08 | geo-rge | and not assuming it means he's dumb |
| 21:28.27 | asg | Phated: ;) |
| 21:28.28 | geo-rge | it's on the screen now unless it scrolled off yours :) |
| 21:28.29 | disposable | when i go to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ to download new jigdo files, i see i386(27th november) and i386.tmp(4th December). why .tmp? |
| 21:28.32 | Phated | Oh, he's not dumb, he's just wilfully unwilling to read. |
| 21:28.33 | adamt | Guerin: Sorry, but that answer is useless |
| 21:28.45 | Guerin | adamt: asking about flash in #debian is similarly so. |
| 21:28.49 | Phated | Kids. If his nick means anything, he's barely SIX YEARS older than me. Guerin is like TWICE MY AGE! |
| 21:28.57 | Guerin | adamt: when flash is in debian, we'll support it. |
| 21:29.13 | Guerin | Phated: you're back under the age of consent again? |
| 21:29.19 | adamt | Guerin: and how should i know it was useless before i tried asking? |
| 21:29.33 | Phated | Guerin: You're under 36 again? |
| 21:29.34 | Guerin | adamt: because we can't support things which aren't in debian? |
| 21:29.39 | Guerin | Phated: always have been |
| 21:29.42 | stew | adamt: are you using also or oss? |
| 21:29.43 | adamt | besides, it's in non-free in etch... |
| 21:29.46 | Phated | Guerin: Always will be? ;) |
| 21:29.47 | Guerin | nope |
| 21:29.49 | geo-rge | under... over... under... over... at least the motion is exciting... |
| 21:29.54 | Guerin | a script to download it is in non-free |
| 21:29.55 | adamt | stew: alsa |
| 21:30.03 | Guerin | the program is utterly 100% out of our control |
| 21:30.09 | stew | adamt: make sure snd-pcm-oss is loadad and restart your browser |
| 21:30.18 | Guerin | Phated: hopefully not |
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| 21:30.27 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah, me too. |
| 21:30.33 | adamt | Guerin: but none the less almost any other distroes is capeable of getting it working..... |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:30.42 | dpkg | <ananke> erps : here. let me rub my crystal ball. <erps> ananke, awesome, can I borrow that? :) <ananke> erps : nope. company policy, we can't give away our crystall balls. <erps> ahhh :( But I assume you let special people rub them for you? <ananke> erps : you're not that special |
| 21:30.44 | adamt | stew: thanks, i'll try |
| 21:30.51 | geo-rge | Phated: what I mean is you're more properly interpreting his statements, or rather more completely |
| 21:30.53 | Eulex | adamt, the big problem is that flash 7.x for linux uses oss -- and thus (1) you need an oss driver or oss emulation for alsa (2) usually no other programs can use the sound card while alsa or another application that is using oss is using the sound card |
| 21:30.53 | Guerin | adamt: oh, i'm sure it's *possible*, just nothing to do with us. |
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| 21:31.21 | Phated | geo-rge: I have no idea what "statements" you're talking about, and I'm sure I don't entirely care. |
| 21:31.30 | geo-rge | "Kids" for one |
| 21:31.35 | adamt | Eulex: thank you for showing Guerin how to be helpful ;-) |
| 21:31.55 | itchi | DavidProck1982: What are you doing? |
| 21:31.59 | abrotman | adamt: the big hint of the day .. flash still sucks :) |
| 21:32.04 | Guerin | adamt: i know how to be helpful,. I just choose not to be when people use retarded software and ask for support in the wrong place. |
| 21:32.08 | adamt | abrotman: yeah, indeed |
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| 21:32.11 | Eulex | adamt, oh, that should've been "usually no other program that is using oss can use the sound card while alsa or another application that is using oss is using the sound card" |
| 21:32.18 | itchi | shit the screen whas scolled up |
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| 21:32.32 | adamt | abrotman: but sometimes evil **** is nessecary.. |
| 21:32.53 | Eulex | adamt, yw :) |
| 21:32.58 | streuner | adamt: better try to fix your problem... |
| 21:32.59 | abrotman | yeah |
| 21:33.06 | adamt | great, it works now, thank you stew |
| 21:33.20 | adamt | streuner: ehh? |
| 21:34.10 | geo-rge | adamt: the main thing probably, is you'll overannoy your welcome if you make comments like that... sucks, yes... but it's also annoying. |
| 21:34.17 | streuner | adamt: we don't support stuff which aren't in debian and which is not free |
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| 21:34.46 | geo-rge | I don't support stuff which aren't in debian OR is not free |
| 21:35.14 | adamt | streuner: well, then please do tell me where i should ask questions like that instead.... |
| 21:35.14 | geo-rge | not all the time anyway, and definitely not when I'm being annoyed at the time |
| 21:35.25 | streuner | we aren't care |
| 21:35.41 | adamt | then get gnash working ;-) |
| 21:35.51 | Guerin | adamt: siyh ;) |
| 21:35.54 | Phated | Why don't you help, if you need it so much? |
| 21:36.20 | abrotman | it only has one RC bug keeping it out of etch |
| 21:36.36 | adamt | Phated: I don't need it, evil adobe flash works for me. |
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| 21:36.51 | adamt | Guerin: siyh? |
| 21:36.54 | Phated | adamt: Then you don't need to ask questions about it if it works. See? We're all good. |
| 21:36.56 | Guerin | !siyh |
| 21:36.57 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 21:36.57 | Phated | !siyh |
| 21:37.21 | geo-rge | adamt: wellthen :) so you're willing to be annoying AND not contribute back :) |
| 21:37.29 | geo-rge | oh. well. |
| 21:37.57 | adamt | geo-rge: how do you know that i do not contribute anything to the community? |
| 21:37.58 | Phated | geo-rge: There are annoying people asking for help, and then there are those who lurk in an IRC channel, presumably offering to help, and then judge people for -not- helping. Tut. |
| 21:38.22 | geo-rge | of course, you're not exactly being encouraged to do so by our barrage upon you :) |
| 21:38.27 | stew | can we please drop this pointless conversation. it's not going anywhere productive |
| 21:38.56 | cureless | I think flash is ok. What I don't think is ok is webmasters/designers who think it's ok to not use html and build everything in flash. |
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| 21:39.01 | Guerin | stew: you know you're a manager when ... you issue a question as a statement. |
| 21:39.05 | Zap-W | what is the difference between soft and hard limits in pam limits.conf |
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| 21:39.14 | geo-rge | adamt: last comment: because you're not willing to contribute to your own solution :) |
| 21:39.17 | Phated | Guerin: Bwahaha. |
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| 21:39.52 | adamt | geo-rge: Ehh? contributions to the community is not only the same as programming.... |
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| 21:40.54 | adamt | Zap-W: soft limits doesn't enforce the rules immediately, or something like that, long time since i read about that ;-) |
| 21:41.11 | elis | is there a way to move between windows by direction as in Vim .. ike move to the window on the left ... ? |
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| 21:41.40 | pickcoder | if you make the soft and hard limits the same then they are identical |
| 21:41.45 | cureless | elis: what windows are you talking about? |
| 21:42.06 | adamt | elis: yup. use hjkl for that + the meta buttons required |
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| 21:42.15 | pickcoder | soft limits take place first and provide "first warning" before rules in hard limits take literal effect |
| 21:43.16 | elis | cureless: windows in emacs |
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| 21:47.23 | stew | elis: ask #emacs |
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| 21:48.01 | eilker | !alsa |
| 21:48.02 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
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| 21:50.45 | rgsteele | Hm, so... if you go for your normal run at the end of the work day, and you notice the Girls Gone Wild bus sitting at the motel on Main Street on your run through campus, is that the universe telling you to buy a case of beer, call off work tomorrow, and find out which sorority you need to show up at tonight? |
| 21:51.30 | asg | rgsteele: now we know the reason for etch's release being delayed. |
| 21:51.32 | cydork | rgsteele: wrong channel?? |
| 21:51.38 | geo-rge | rgsteele: ggw mixes whatever campus girls they can get with porn stars |
| 21:51.45 | streuner | asg: haha |
| 21:51.48 | cydork | asg: heh |
| 21:51.51 | geo-rge | so be sure to wear your raincoat :P |
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| 21:52.35 | rgsteele | cydork: Nah, this is pertinent information for just about everyone, IMHO. :) |
| 21:52.58 | Phated | It's not for girls. |
| 21:53.04 | Phated | And it's entirely offtopic here. |
| 21:53.06 | geo-rge | well only "certain" girls... |
| 21:53.09 | rgsteele | That's not universally true :) |
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| 21:53.21 | Phated | No, but it is certainly offtopic here. |
| 21:53.40 | cydork | rgsteele: not for me! i am too drunk to think on such deep issues.. |
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| 21:54.28 | Phated | The only thing measured in depth around here is head-up-arseness. |
| 21:54.45 | Phated | Or, well, recursion levels, but who actually discusses those. |
| 21:54.53 | geo-rge | I guess one possibility is, if you see that bus parked near the school you go to and you have friends who are female that go there, you could call campus security |
| 21:55.25 | Phated | Unless your friends are complete slags, in which case you point and laugh when the videos come out. |
| 21:55.45 | geo-rge | doesn't matter. they're friends. |
| 21:55.51 | rgsteele | slags? |
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| 21:55.57 | geo-rge | (well hypothetically)] |
| 21:56.04 | asg | rgsteele: .uk term for slutty women |
| 21:56.09 | Phated | Friends with slags? My how our tastes have sunk, geo-rge. |
| 21:56.24 | rgsteele | asg: Ah. |
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| 21:56.45 | geo-rge | Phated: you brought that up, I didn't :P |
| 21:56.58 | tralala | dpkg: say debian, debian, debian! |
| 21:56.58 | dpkg | debian, debian, debian! |
| 21:57.14 | Phated | Vini, vedi, vhen is etch releasing? |
| 21:57.26 | tralala | any time now |
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| 21:57.41 | asg | Phated: non esse |
| 21:57.43 | Phated | Kind of like a woman giving birth, isn't it. |
| 21:57.50 | Phated | "Any time now, doctor!" |
| 21:57.54 | asg | push! |
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| 21:57.58 | tralala | hehe, kind of |
| 21:58.17 | geo-rge | Phated: are you a mom? |
| 21:58.33 | coach | hi@all |
| 21:58.53 | Phated | geo-rge: No, I practise safe sex. |
| 21:58.56 | coach | does anyone know where/how to get the gaim-atuoprofile plugin for testing? |
| 21:59.24 | streuner | coach: try /msg dpkg simple sid backport, if its in debian. |
| 21:59.44 | Phated | asg: Oh, fuck off, you :) |
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| 22:00.10 | geo-rge | hah :) was wondering when you caught that :) |
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| 22:00.38 | Phated | i never know what the fuck you're referring to. I don't think I'll bother. |
| 22:00.43 | asg | Phated: :) |
| 22:00.48 | coach | streuner, what? |
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| 22:01.03 | streuner | coach: well, so it isn't. |
| 22:01.08 | geo-rge | you pretend to be dumb... but I don't buy it |
| 22:01.11 | tralala | I wonder why I don't get a power button acpi event on my abit av8. |
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| 22:01.25 | streuner | coach: so what's HARD to compile that plugin? |
| 22:02.04 | coach | streuner, nothing |
| 22:02.16 | coach | streuner, but where do i get it in the rigt version? |
| 22:02.20 | coach | +h |
| 22:02.21 | Phated | geo-rge: Pretend, eh? Why do you need to assume that someone's pretending to be dumb when the truth is you refer to things so obliquely that, by your own admission, someone who is smart (because they're only PRETENDING to be dumb) doesn't understand you? |
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| 22:02.53 | geo-rge | yeah. pretend. |
| 22:03.04 | tralala | !irritate Phated |
| 22:03.05 | dpkg | Phated: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 22:03.12 | streuner | coach: did you ask #gaim about? |
| 22:03.13 | geo-rge | not buying it. not for a minuge. |
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| 22:03.26 | Phated | dpkg: You can't annoy me, dpkg, not when I've survived #debian on SUNDAY |
| 22:03.48 | asg | Phated: and not just any Sunday, THE SUNDAY |
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| 22:03.51 | coach | streuner, yes, i'm in there |
| 22:04.05 | wols | dpkg has an advantage: limitless endurance. well until someone presses the red switch |
| 22:04.06 | coach | streuner, they finally answered |
| 22:04.07 | coach | ^^ |
| 22:04.16 | wols | not even sunday people have that advantage |
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| 22:04.32 | Phated | geo-rge: Who's asking you to? Or is this "I am man, look how good I am at seeing through deceptive women and their 'pretending to be dumb'?" Because yes, that's exactly what it is, instead of being the normal, non-dumb person I am, I'd pretend to be dumb just so it's OBVIOUS I'm female. |
| 22:04.37 | wols | peerless: on the back "on a Sunday!" |
| 22:04.37 | asg | pickcoder: "... and all I got was a bunch of grief and a RTFM n00b" |
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| 22:05.08 | pickcoder | wonder if thinkgeek would do it |
| 22:05.10 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:05.17 | asg | pickcoder: cafepress would |
| 22:05.21 | pickcoder | true |
| 22:05.32 | however | i messed up my timezone configuation, but can't figure out which package I have to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:05.41 | asg | however: run tzconfig as root |
| 22:05.42 | tralala | I survived #debian... and I'm doing just f1n3!!!11 |
| 22:05.48 | however | asg: thanks |
| 22:05.54 | asg | however: you're welcome |
| 22:06.06 | n3kl | Hi. I need to change the permissions to all files and oflers below a directory to 770. I thought the sticky bit woud do it, but it only allows write and execute. |
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| 22:06.16 | however | asg: how do I change whether cmos stores the time in UTC or local? |
| 22:06.28 | n3kl | I need to actually change the files so that group has write permissions as soon as any file is dropped into teh directory |
| 22:06.30 | wols | n3kl: man chmod |
| 22:06.38 | wols | tip: look for "R"s |
| 22:06.39 | asg | however: hwclock |
| 22:06.48 | pickcoder | recursion flags are notable for most file commands in *nix |
| 22:06.58 | n3kl | wols: I can't script it, it needs to be instant, pretty miuch |
| 22:07.12 | geo-rge | Phated: and all this constitutes "not bothering"? |
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| 22:07.22 | Phated | geo-rge: Naw, but I -am- bored. |
| 22:07.23 | wols | n3kl: do what I told you |
| 22:07.25 | asg | however: you might want to look at /etc/default/rcS also |
| 22:07.26 | tralala | n3kl: you'll probably need to use a separate mount with the appropraite umask |
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| 22:07.45 | Phated | geo-rge: I'm a girl, pretending to be dumb, easily amused, sure you'll understand, tra-la. |
| 22:07.48 | n3kl | tralala: ah, thats a good idea |
| 22:07.58 | Snakez | hi |
| 22:08.03 | tralala | Phated: talking to me?! |
| 22:08.09 | n3kl | tralala: I was thinking about setting a umask for a user account, but now a mount point |
| 22:08.17 | geo-rge | trala: la |
| 22:08.25 | n3kl | tralala: I think thats what I am looking for, thanks |
| 22:08.28 | raja | how do i reconfigure network settings from command line .. is there a tool.. dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 22:08.36 | tralala | n3kl, you're welcome |
| 22:08.42 | streuner | raja: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 22:08.54 | tralala | raja: there is a tool - vi |
| 22:08.55 | n3kl | raja: man ifconfig |
| 22:08.56 | stew | raja: no, edit /etc/network/interfaces ; or install and run etherconf |
| 22:09.21 | streuner | stew: sometimes you sound like an echo |
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| 22:09.44 | boid | Hi, is a good idea to put this -m limit -limit 1/s on services like imap,pop,smtp,http? using iptables on debian :) |
| 22:09.50 | however | asg: thanks, but I should point out the underlying problem: ntpd keeps adjusting my local clock (which has horrible drift) too much; it tries to move the clock forward by 6000 seconds at a time, and that fails, but it shouldn't even have to do that |
| 22:09.51 | stew | STEW stew stew tew ew w .... |
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| 22:10.21 | tralala | !tell DoberMann[ZZZzzz -about away |
| 22:10.41 | pickcoder | however: set the time with ntpdate first and then let ntpd keep up |
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| 22:12.21 | however | pickcoder: the problem is that something is already screwed up; I purged adjtimex and reinstalled, and when it's done it thinks the clock needs to be adjusted by 6850 seconds per day |
| 22:12.28 | however | this I know to be wrong |
| 22:12.34 | however | the rtc is bad, but not that bad |
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| 22:12.51 | geo-rge | Phated: the truth is, I just think it's facinating how you're continually trying to step on me :) |
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| 22:14.00 | pickcoder | however: did you try ntpdate with a good time server? |
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| 22:15.35 | geo-rge | isn't there a pointer to the whole group of stata-2 ntp servers? |
| 22:15.36 | Phated | I like that, how his nick kind of works into a sentence :) |
| 22:15.59 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: pool.ntp.org FE. |
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| 22:16.30 | fax | hi |
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| 22:16.36 | geo-rge | however: see: dondelelcaro |
| 22:16.42 | fax | see libmodelfile.. |
| 22:16.54 | fax | it doesnt seem to have any ability to export md3 |
| 22:17.04 | fax | but it can load... is there somthing that can export md3 format? |
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| 22:17.29 | geo-rge | is that format licensed in some proprietary way? |
| 22:17.38 | however | pickcoder: yes, I'm using the NIST tier 2 pool |
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| 22:17.43 | fax | not that I know of |
| 22:17.58 | fax | I mean its just a bunch of bytes.. |
| 22:18.04 | n3kl | are there some good resources for learning the difference between excryption methods like dmcrypt and cryptoloop? |
| 22:18.19 | however | is there a way to reset any current adjtime settings in the kernel? |
| 22:18.33 | pickcoder | however: did you remove your drift file and resync? |
| 22:18.39 | geo-rge | fax: then perhaps it's possible to find a program that reads and writes that format (and note, ntfs is also a "bunch of bytes") |
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| 22:18.51 | however | pickcoder: probably not, which file is that? /etc/adj*? |
| 22:18.54 | debian_gnu_linux | hello |
| 22:18.57 | klohunt | What date is Etch going to be stable? |
| 22:19.08 | fax | geo-rge: well hm I did a _lot_ of searching already |
| 22:19.13 | pickcoder | however: look in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 22:19.19 | fax | and if modelfile doesnt do it I guess ill just make it do it |
| 22:19.21 | pickcoder | it's normally in /var/lib/ntp |
| 22:19.38 | geo-rge | fax: you're pretty far ahead of me then |
| 22:19.48 | fax | how come? |
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| 22:20.14 | geo-rge | never had occasion to use that format |
| 22:20.20 | pickcoder | fax: just a bunch of bytes can still be copyrighted |
| 22:20.29 | n3kl | ! kernel 2.6.19 |
| 22:20.30 | fax | im trying to convert some levels from tomb raider to quake 3 lol |
| 22:20.34 | pickcoder | fax: a GIF format is "just a buncha bytes" |
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| 22:20.53 | fax | pickcoder: ok well ill fight it out with the owners of the patents, but _WE_ really dont need to worry about this |
| 22:20.57 | geo-rge | fax: I'd say that's proprietary |
| 22:21.11 | fax | oh well sue me :p |
| 22:21.59 | geo-rge | I'm not a party to that... but I'm not sure debian has what you're looking for, and I'm also not sure who or what to refer you to |
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| 22:22.31 | roe_ | is anyone else having a problem from debian.lcs.mit.edu? |
| 22:22.32 | fax | geo-rge: libmodelfile seems to be a debian thing |
| 22:22.41 | jatt | rhythmbox --print-playing |
| 22:22.42 | jatt | Unknown option --print-playing |
| 22:22.48 | geo-rge | !find libmodelfile |
| 22:22.57 | jatt | the option is described in the man page and I think it worked before... |
| 22:23.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libmodelfile' returned no results. |
| 22:23.47 | fax | top hit on google for 'libmd3' |
| 22:24.16 | geo-rge | is it in main, contrib or non-free? |
| 22:24.30 | fax | I dont know, tbh I dont use debian |
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| 22:24.58 | jatt | sudo apt-get source print-pl |
| 22:24.58 | jatt | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 22:24.58 | jatt | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0000000000582e60 *** |
| 22:25.00 | jatt | aggghghg |
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| 22:25.09 | fax | lol |
| 22:25.12 | jatt | my apologies |
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| 22:26.10 | azeem | jatt: known bug (#400874) |
| 22:26.21 | jatt | azeem: thanks I was about to fill a new one |
| 22:26.31 | fax | anyway LZW compressions fine now |
| 22:26.35 | stew | jatt: downgrade apt to 0.6.46.2 |
| 22:26.42 | fax | the patent expired so we can all use gif again! |
| 22:26.48 | geo-rge | jatt: if you control a web server you could build a web page that (1) describes your situation and asks your question and (2) collects new things you learn about it |
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| 22:27.44 | jatt | stew: will do, thanks. |
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| 22:28.52 | jabka | what should it be after "info" in control file (when creating a package ?) |
| 22:29.24 | pickcoder | fax: http://www.blitzbasic.com/Community/posts.php?topic=41529 |
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| 22:30.55 | pickcoder | gah |
| 22:30.57 | pickcoder | never mind |
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| 22:31.02 | pickcoder | that's a spam link |
| 22:31.03 | pickcoder | grr |
| 22:31.09 | fax | ohwell |
| 22:31.28 | pickcoder | try the ID dev forums |
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| 22:32.43 | jatt | stew: just for the record I've just downgraded to 0.6.46.2 |
| 22:32.43 | jatt | ii apt 0.6.46.2 |
| 22:32.44 | jatt | but |
| 22:32.50 | jatt | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0000000000582e70 *** |
| 22:33.05 | BleSS | is there any disadvantage in using swap from a logical volumen of LVM? |
| 22:33.23 | jatt | so the problem was there already for 0.6.46.2, will try with 0.6.46(.1) |
| 22:33.32 | stew | jatt: hmm, i thought that was the one that worked for me, perhaps you have to go back farther, check the bts |
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| 22:33.44 | jatt | ok |
| 22:34.05 | stew | BleSS: no. there isn't a noticable performance degradation, if that is what you are worried about |
| 22:34.25 | BleSS | stew, yes, it was by that, thx |
| 22:35.35 | stew | BleSS: http://blog.andrew.net.au/2006/08/09#lvm_vs_straight_disk |
| 22:37.46 | Qshadowp | how do i change into a folder that has a space in it in command line? |
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| 22:38.09 | stew | Qshadowp: cd "some dir" ; or cd some\ dir |
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| 22:38.28 | jatt | agggh, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/ only has apt 0.6.46.2 and 0.6.46.3... seems I will need to apply the patch that was posted to the bts, but apt-get source itself doesn't work so how do I get the package sources easily? How nice...:( |
| 22:38.33 | Qshadowp | doesn't seem to work for me |
| 22:38.34 | pickcoder | Qshadowp: it really shouldn't have a space in it... |
| 22:38.42 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 22:38.50 | Qshadowp | oh i got it |
| 22:38.53 | jatt | I think I will try with an apt I do have on a chroot |
| 22:38.53 | Qshadowp | its case sensative :) |
| 22:38.59 | stew | Qshadowp: it does work. or use tab completion to escape the spaces for you |
| 22:39.25 | Qshadowp | stew yes it does work, didn't realize it was case sensative :) |
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| 22:40.43 | blondie | . |
| 22:40.46 | blondie | hm |
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| 22:41.00 | stew | jatt: you can do what apt-get source does by hand: go to packages.debian.org/apt ; click on unstable, and download the .tar.gz and the .dsc and run "dpkg-source -x apt_$version.dsc" |
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| 22:41.46 | mirak | is there a way to run a console on a serial port ? |
| 22:42.01 | jelly-home | mirak: yes, there is! |
| 22:42.17 | stew | mirak: yes, there are lines commented out in /etc/inittab |
| 22:42.20 | jatt | stew: great! thanks for those instructions. I am trying them right now. |
| 22:42.26 | mirak | stew: ok |
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| 22:42.47 | stew | mirak: look for the getty lines for ttyS0/ttyS1 |
| 22:43.18 | Qshadowp | does konqeror support addons for that are wrote for mozilla, netscape and opera? |
| 22:43.24 | Qshadowp | (like macromedia flash player) |
| 22:43.38 | jelly-home | Qshadowp: Netscape compatible plugins work. |
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| 22:43.49 | Qshadowp | good that should work then |
| 22:43.58 | Qshadowp | and where does linux store konqeror? |
| 22:44.04 | Qshadowp | konqueror* |
| 22:44.22 | streuner | Qshadowp: look in ~/ |
| 22:44.34 | streuner | kde or such |
| 22:44.45 | Qshadowp | yea im on kde lol |
| 22:44.52 | Qshadowp | sigh theres so many folders in there |
| 22:44.56 | streuner | no, ~/kde |
| 22:45.01 | Qshadowp | ah ok :P |
| 22:45.11 | jelly-home | ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror |
| 22:45.40 | Qshadowp | thanks jelly-home :) |
| 22:45.43 | jelly-home | ... is where the settings are. The installation is all over /usr as usual |
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| 22:46.54 | n3kl | Does anyone know of a good graphical web editor? |
| 22:47.03 | streuner | mozilla |
| 22:47.06 | blondie | gedit c.c |
| 22:47.20 | _JusSx_ | Qshadowp: linux doesn't store konqueror |
| 22:47.37 | mirak | stew: in fact I fail to make work that prolific usb to rs232 adapater |
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| 22:47.51 | mirak | wondering if anyone is using that around |
| 22:47.54 | Flimzy | Is there a way to make fetch a .deb from a repository using apt-*, but not install it? |
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| 22:48.00 | _JusSx_ | Qshadowp: you store konqueror while compiling by supplying a path |
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| 22:48.07 | mirak | Flimqy: no |
| 22:48.13 | streuner | Flimzy: yeah :-) man apt-get ? |
| 22:48.14 | jelly-home | Flimzy: check out -d option to apt-get |
| 22:48.16 | mirak | Flimqy: well yes |
| 22:48.16 | tarzeau | Flimzy: -d |
| 22:48.29 | mirak | but it download it in the apt/cache |
| 22:48.30 | pickcoder | wysiwygs rarely produce quality code |
| 22:48.31 | Flimzy | does that work as a standard user, tho? doesn't that just dump it in the apt cache? |
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| 22:48.40 | mirak | Flimqy: no it doesn't |
| 22:48.44 | Flimzy | mirak: that was myc oncer. grr |
| 22:48.57 | Flimzy | my concern, even |
| 22:48.58 | streuner | Flimqy: only root has the chance to use apt-get |
| 22:49.03 | jelly-home | Flimzy: also check --print-uris |
| 22:49.28 | Flimzy | jelly-home: cool, that should work. thanks |
| 22:49.33 | streuner | or you use sudo |
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| 22:50.12 | pickcoder | mirak: what is on the rs232 port? |
| 22:50.14 | Flimzy | hrmph, that doesn't seem to do it. |
| 22:50.15 | Flimzy | grr |
| 22:50.31 | mirak | pickcoder: depends |
| 22:50.31 | Flimzy | streuner: I don't want to actually use apt-get. I want to just grab the .deb quickly. |
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| 22:50.41 | pickcoder | then so does the cable |
| 22:50.47 | streuner | Flimzy: wget? |
| 22:50.48 | mirak | pickcoder: I have a smartcard reader or a IR receiver dongle |
| 22:50.57 | Flimzy | streuner: wget is fine if I had the URIs. |
| 22:51.03 | mirak | I would like to use it with the IR receiver. pickcoder |
| 22:51.04 | pickcoder | you want to display the console on a smartcard reader? |
| 22:51.15 | jelly-home | Flimzy: "apt-get --print-uris -d install stuff" gets you URLs |
| 22:51.16 | mirak | pickcoder: I also bought a PCI serial card, and this one work |
| 22:51.17 | streuner | Flimqy: how many or better which debs you want to download? |
| 22:51.31 | Flimzy | streuner: Probably a few hundred. |
| 22:51.34 | mirak | pickcoder: no no I am just trying various things |
| 22:51.40 | Flimzy | streuner: Populating a local repository |
| 22:51.58 | pickcoder | the USB dongle shouldn't be the issue |
| 22:52.01 | pickcoder | it's probably the cable |
| 22:52.14 | streuner | !uri |
| 22:52.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, uri is a generic URL, eg anything://something. Uniform Resource Indicator |
| 22:52.18 | streuner | !url |
| 22:52.18 | dpkg | url is, like, the Uniform Resource Locator, also mistakenly called Universal Resource Locator. This is used to give Web addresses for HTML, VRML, WAV and other files. It simply contains the Internet name of the machine containing the data and the path to the file. Much like the UNC, except specifically for the Internet. The address also includes the protocol to be used. or the name of the original infobot on EFnet, or pronounced "earl" by the weird |
| 22:52.42 | jelly-home | pickcoder: though some usb dongles don't work with some hardware |
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| 22:53.23 | pickcoder | how can it not work with some hardware if it's rs232 compliant? |
| 22:53.28 | Flimzy | jelly-home: I think a URL is used specifically to refer to protocols that can be used over the Internet, where as a URI can refer to local resources as well. But that may be only an informal distinction. *shrug* |
| 22:53.48 | jelly-home | pickcoder: obviously some of those dongles aren't that compliant :-P |
| 22:53.57 | pickcoder | er..ok |
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| 22:54.22 | h3xis | is etch still slated for december 6? |
| 22:54.30 | azeem | no |
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| 22:54.38 | h3xis | when then? |
| 22:54.40 | mirak | pickcoder: the cable works on windows. |
| 22:54.43 | azeem | check the release updates on debian-devel-announce |
| 22:54.47 | sandman | I was under the impression that the MBR was outside of the partitions on a hdd? |
| 22:54.47 | mirak | pickcoder: it works with winlirc |
| 22:54.50 | h3xis | thx |
| 22:54.59 | pickcoder | mirak: it works with your console device on that computer, under windows |
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| 22:55.47 | mirak | pickcoder: I have no console device. I tried to run a console on a serial port and plug it in the rs232 usb adapter, but I have not sutiable cable |
| 22:55.49 | pickcoder | mirak: what exactly are you using for a console device? |
| 22:55.57 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 22:56.03 | mirak | pickcoder: just for test purpose |
| 22:56.11 | Kim^J | Hi there. Is Debian and Xen a good combo? Do we have what's needed and such? |
| 22:56.14 | mirak | I just want to use that dongle |
| 22:56.19 | dondelelcaro | Kim^J: yes, and yes. |
| 22:57.01 | pickcoder | mirak: well it's quite hard to diagnoes a serial console problem if you have no suitable serial console device hooked up |
| 22:57.08 | mirak | pickcoder: problem with lirc is that the lirc_serial module wants an irq and a port. I don't know how I can know this for that usb devie |
| 22:57.10 | mirak | device |
| 22:57.11 | Kim^J | dondelelcaro: Is there a Debian page for it? |
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| 22:57.26 | jelly-home | sandman: that is correct for a typical pc (dos) partition table, the MBR is first cylinder, first head, first sector on the disk, while the first partition usually starts at first cyl, second head, first sector |
| 22:57.33 | sandman | I'm taking a test to "predict my employee success" on brainbench.com, and its questions are absolutely ludicrous |
| 22:57.34 | mirak | pickcoder: actually it's not a serial consol problem |
| 22:57.56 | mirak | pickcoder: any help welcome though |
| 22:57.56 | Malagmyr | sandman: man brain |
| 22:58.07 | jelly-home | sandman: and you're cheating with irc, shame on you! |
| 22:58.16 | h3sp4wn | mirak: What driver does it use ? (is it pl2303 ?) |
| 22:58.42 | h3sp4wn | mirak: (I had to manually add the usb id's to get my cable to work) |
| 22:58.43 | mirak | h3sp4wn: yes absolutely |
| 22:58.43 | sandman | jelly-home: It says you're supposed to |
| 22:58.46 | h3sp4wn | mirak: adapter sorry |
| 22:58.48 | sandman | jelly-home: Not IRC, but any resources you have available. |
| 22:58.52 | mirak | h3sp4wn: mine is also a cable ;) |
| 22:58.55 | jelly-home | sandman: oh, carry on then! :-) |
| 22:59.08 | mirak | h3sp4wn: what did you do exactly ? |
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| 22:59.48 | jelly-home | sandman: so how are your employees faring? :-> |
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| 23:00.03 | quintin_ | Can someone here help me with setting up exim4 to use gmail as a 'smart host'? |
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| 23:00.28 | quintin_ | I've got it working, but the emails are 'from' my gmail account, not from mydomain.com |
| 23:00.29 | Janos | anyone knows why the etch slapd init script doesn't run db_recovery on the databases, is it implemented somewhere else ? |
| 23:00.51 | azeem | quintin_: edit /etc/email-addresses or what's it called |
| 23:01.33 | quintin_ | azeem: duhhh |
| 23:01.37 | quintin_ | azeem: looking at it |
| 23:02.16 | h3sp4wn | mirak: found out the vendor id and product id from lsusb (added #define 's for it in the same way as in pl2303.h and added the an extra line to static struct usb_device_id id_table [] = { (in pl2303.c it worked) |
| 23:02.52 | mirak | h3sp4wn: what was your problem ? I don't think I have this problem |
| 23:03.02 | mirak | h3sp4wn: what is your kernel ? |
| 23:03.32 | h3sp4wn | mirak: That was on 2.6.16 I think (I have since trashed the cable) |
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| 23:04.05 | h3sp4wn | mirak: The driver got loaded but no /dev/ttyUSB0 (was created) |
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| 23:04.28 | mirak | h3sp4wn: for me the driver and device are loaded |
| 23:04.33 | mirak | no issue |
| 23:04.43 | mirak | but the driver doesn't work, setserial doesn't work |
| 23:05.11 | mirak | I don't see how I should setup lirc |
| 23:05.22 | h3sp4wn | I have never used setserial with one of those just minicom |
| 23:05.27 | mirak | lirc needs a irq and a port, but since setserial doesn't work I can't see it |
| 23:05.56 | mirak | I need something plugued I guess |
| 23:06.25 | enouf | sandman: it's easier to envision like this CHS=0,0,1=MBR/MPT .. CHS=0,1,1=1st primary partition boot sector .. all others can be anywhere on the HDD ..see en.wikipedia.org MBR for further info |
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| 23:08.52 | pickcoder | mirak: can you do stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 23:09.21 | concept10 | Is there something comparable to fdisk/cfdisk in linux for managing drives ? possibly with GTK frontend? |
| 23:09.43 | mirak | :~# stty -F /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 23:09.43 | mirak | speed 9600 baud; line = 0; |
| 23:09.43 | mirak | -brkint -imaxbel |
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| 23:10.05 | pickcoder | it's working properly as a serial tty |
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| 23:10.16 | pickcoder | you aren't going to get a port/irq since it's USB |
| 23:10.29 | pickcoder | ports and IRQs are for real UARTs |
| 23:11.11 | mirak | pickcoder: so I can't use it ? |
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| 23:11.21 | mirak | it works on windows |
| 23:11.29 | mirak | with winlirc :-/ |
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| 23:11.53 | pickcoder | does winlirc use a com device? |
| 23:13.05 | mirak | what is it ? |
| 23:13.40 | jatt | stew: I just patched apt with |
| 23:13.40 | jatt | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi/aptsource-fix2.diff?bug=400874;msg=63;att=1 |
| 23:13.40 | jatt | and rebuilt the package. The patch fixes the problem :) nice. |
| 23:13.41 | pickcoder | com devices are mapped to port/irqs in windows |
| 23:13.56 | pickcoder | just like /dev/ttyS* is set to port/irq in Linux |
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| 23:15.15 | pickcoder | http://www.lirc.org/faq.html |
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| 23:17.08 | quintin_ | azeem: mm still lost with that file :\ |
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| 23:17.51 | quintin_ | can't find what I need on dejanews or google |
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| 23:20.22 | mirak | Can I use a home-brew LIRC receiver with a Serial to USB adapter? |
| 23:20.22 | mirak | No, this won't work. But there is a project working on a dedicated USB transceiver. Using an Irman with USB adapter should work though. |
| 23:20.26 | mirak | pickcoder: crap |
| 23:21.02 | pickcoder | it does interrupt polling |
| 23:21.13 | robin_sz | meep? |
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| 23:22.07 | quintin_ | w |
| 23:22.32 | RvGaTe | hurray \o/, i survived my third day without windows |
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| 23:23.13 | mirak | pickcoder: I don't understand the problem |
| 23:23.21 | itchi | RvGaTe: Only your third day?? :-p |
| 23:23.28 | RvGaTe | cydork, what was that good for ? |
| 23:23.40 | RvGaTe | itchi, yes |
| 23:23.42 | mirak | pickcoder: "Using an Irman with USB adapter should work though." what does this mean ? |
| 23:23.55 | cydork | RvGaTe: for lying :) |
| 23:24.03 | cydork | bahh |
| 23:24.08 | mirak | pickcoder: so there is no com emulator for windows ? |
| 23:24.11 | pickcoder | mirak: http://www.evation.com/irman/ |
| 23:24.16 | itchi | RvGaTe: Get your mail working in Debian, and everything what should push you to reboot you to windows |
| 23:24.24 | RvGaTe | cydork, true... i was forced to use windows at work :( |
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| 23:24.59 | RvGaTe | itchi, you already know, only 1 thing that stops me from using linux... counterstrike source |
| 23:25.09 | esteel | play a real game :PP |
| 23:25.14 | itchi | RvGaTe: Myeah |
| 23:25.15 | cydork | RvGaTe: man i will quit that job on the first day! :) |
| 23:25.22 | RvGaTe | cydork, :P |
| 23:25.26 | itchi | RvGaTe: And how find you nexiuz? |
| 23:25.36 | RvGaTe | itchi, ask esteel ;) |
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| 23:26.12 | itchi | RvGaTe: Want to learn some Python + Pygames? Write it your own, hhhmm, you can get my help. Interesting in it ;-) |
| 23:26.26 | RvGaTe | not really |
| 23:26.37 | quintin_ | Need a exim guru plz kthnx |
| 23:26.45 | Kim^J | Hmm... Gonna setup a virtual server in school. What can I use it to? Dom0 - Host, VPC1 - Apache2 + PHP5, VPC2 - MySQL, VPC3 - Mail. What more can I do. This is just for learning and fun. |
| 23:26.49 | blondie | #exim pls kthnx |
| 23:27.06 | mirak | pickcoder: mouais |
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| 23:27.11 | itchi | RvGaTe: Or maybe, try to find some very well games, and ask to package it, there are lot's realy, just splend many time to search. If you want, i can package it |
| 23:27.23 | mirak | pickcoder: why can't linux do the same thing than windows with com ports ? |
| 23:27.59 | Kim^J | Anyone got any cool ideas on my above? |
| 23:28.12 | esteel | itchi: he seems to like it ;) |
| 23:28.13 | pickcoder | mirak: what are you using for IR? |
| 23:28.27 | itchi | esteel: hehe |
| 23:28.38 | mirak | pickcoder: what ? |
| 23:28.53 | pickcoder | mirak: what are you plugging into the serial port? |
| 23:28.54 | mirak | pickcoder: it's a little dongle. no brand, second hand one |
| 23:28.54 | esteel | itchi: you also play Nex? |
| 23:29.10 | itchi | esteel: Yeah, have test it :-) |
| 23:29.14 | mirak | pickcoder: it fits in a rs232 plug |
| 23:29.26 | pickcoder | I know that, but what exactly is it? |
| 23:29.38 | pickcoder | make/model/etc |
| 23:29.40 | itchi | RvGaTe: It is here |
| 23:29.50 | RvGaTe | itchi, why is it there ? :P |
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| 23:29.51 | h3sp4wn | Kim^J: Plan 9 Resource Sharing for Linux (that is something I have been meaning to try you could probably get the idea with 3 v servers) |
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| 23:30.12 | fsl | hello, i am installing debian unstable from floppies. but i have a problem, install cannot detect my hard disk drive (2.5" 40gb in laptop) |
| 23:30.16 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe non-free or contrib, i need to look and think to that magic command there |
| 23:30.20 | fsl | is there a floppy with drivers for it? |
| 23:30.28 | Kim^J | h3sp4wn: Anything else? |
| 23:30.34 | JordiGH | I've never been able to figure out what causes KDE to save window settings (i.e. positioning and size). Any help? |
| 23:30.35 | esteel | itchi: sounds like you want more :) 2.2 should noon be out.. |
| 23:30.56 | pickcoder | JordiGH: gremlins |
| 23:30.59 | quintin_ | fsl: floppies sux |
| 23:31.02 | RvGaTe | !thunderbird |
| 23:31.02 | dpkg | hmm... thunderbird is mozilla.org's cross-platform email client using XUL (GTK+), packaged in mozilla-thunderbird in Sarge and the thunderbird package in Etch. http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/ For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
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| 23:31.12 | fsl | quintin: my cd-rom does not work |
| 23:31.24 | JordiGH | pickcoder: We can't do better than that? :-/ |
| 23:31.30 | pickcoder | I can't |
| 23:31.38 | pickcoder | I don't use KDE |
| 23:31.41 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:31.48 | RvGaTe | itchi, ah, its called IceDove in etch |
| 23:31.50 | mirak | pickcoder: it's similar to a homebrew IR receiver |
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| 23:32.02 | itchi | RvGaTe: thunderbird - Transition package for icedove rename |
| 23:32.02 | Kim^J | Anyone else got any cool things to try and to setup on a virtual PC? |
| 23:32.16 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Every time you don't use KDE, God kills a Konqui. |
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| 23:32.21 | fsl | !floppy |
| 23:32.22 | dpkg | hmm... sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
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| 23:32.30 | pickcoder | mirak: if there isn't a driver for it, then you have to plug it into a real RS232 port |
| 23:32.31 | itchi | RvGaTe: So at least, you should see that thunderbird package |
| 23:32.37 | pickcoder | driver = lirc driver |
| 23:32.43 | pickcoder | like the irman driver |
| 23:33.14 | pickcoder | hm |
| 23:33.42 | esteel | oh regarding iceweasel/dove.. are there any plans for iceape yet? |
| 23:33.49 | JordiGH | iceape? |
| 23:33.50 | fsl | hello, i am installing debian unstable from floppies. but i have a problem, install cannot detect my hard disk drive (2.5" 40gb in laptop) is there a floppy with drivers for hard disk? |
| 23:33.52 | esteel | i always like the mozilla suite more |
| 23:33.52 | JordiGH | Oh, dear. |
| 23:33.55 | gravity | esteel: It's already in unstable |
| 23:33.59 | JordiGH | !info iceape |
| 23:34.02 | esteel | it is? great! |
| 23:34.05 | concept10 | Kim^J, You should reference the software itself |
| 23:34.08 | JordiGH | gravity: liar. |
| 23:34.21 | gravity | Hrm, maybe I'm wrong |
| 23:34.25 | gravity | I swear I saw it |
| 23:34.27 | pickcoder | mirak: cat /proc/tty/driver |
| 23:34.33 | azeem | what is iceape? |
| 23:34.34 | pickcoder | mirak: cat /proc/tty/driver/serial |
| 23:34.34 | RvGaTe | itchi, reading my mail works perfect :P |
| 23:34.36 | mirak | pickcoder: ok, then I will build longer rs232 cable then. I wanted usb because I can put my desktop at 5 meters away in a shelf. With VGA proongator and usb prlongator and also for sound. |
| 23:34.36 | stew | iceape: Candidate: 1.0.6-1 |
| 23:34.36 | esteel | gravity: is it the 1.7 suite or the 1.x seamonkey? (if you know) |
| 23:34.40 | JordiGH | Indeed, what is iceape? |
| 23:34.45 | gravity | http://packages.debian.org/iceape |
| 23:34.46 | mirak | not build, buy |
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| 23:34.50 | gravity | There it is |
| 23:34.50 | pickcoder | mirak: paste in #flood or a pastebin |
| 23:34.54 | esteel | JordiGH: the mozilla suite.. |
| 23:34.57 | stew | azeem: seamonkey |
| 23:35.02 | itchi | RvGaTe: Get the rest done, so you no more need to reboot, or just for that counterstrike ;-) |
| 23:35.05 | azeem | JordiGH: heh, so you're a sucker for calling gravity a liar |
| 23:35.08 | azeem | stew: thanks |
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| 23:35.14 | JordiGH | esteel: You mean, the big fat browser/composer/mailclient/Emacs-wannabe? |
| 23:35.15 | esteel | JordiGH: when it was abandon seamonkey was founded.. its the same basicly |
| 23:35.20 | gravity | !lose JordiGH |
| 23:35.21 | dpkg | JordiGH: You Lose. |
| 23:35.25 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 23:35.31 | JordiGH | dpkg: liar! |
| 23:35.31 | dpkg | hey, I just work here; I don't have to take that kind of abuse from you |
| 23:35.32 | esteel | JordiGH: it always was faster/smaller then firefox for me.. |
| 23:35.36 | RvGaTe | itchi, or get wine to work :P |
| 23:35.38 | mirak | pickcoder: http://pastebin.ca/267621 |
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| 23:35.58 | pickcoder | ah |
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| 23:36.09 | pickcoder | look at serial 2 |
| 23:36.24 | pickcoder | irq 217 sounds awfully high for a normal serial device |
| 23:36.26 | itchi | RvGaTe: That's peace of cake ;-) |
| 23:36.27 | mirak | pickcoder: 0 is onboard rs232, 1 and 2 are pci card rs232 ports, and the 3 is probably my usb device |
| 23:36.38 | pickcoder | lspci then |
| 23:36.44 | RvGaTe | itchi, well, yeah, but will counterstrike run smooth? :P |
| 23:36.46 | pickcoder | see if irq 217 is indeed your PCI card |
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| 23:37.07 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: Who needs Counterstrike when we have Wesnoth? |
| 23:37.14 | itchi | RvGaTe: I dunno, not have that game |
| 23:37.17 | mirak | pickcoder: 05:07.0 Serial controller: NetMos Technology PCI 9835 Multi-I/O Controller (rev 01) |
| 23:37.32 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: Also, tremulous, although it's in non-free. |
| 23:37.33 | mirak | pickcoder: don't know how to find the irq, but I am sure this ports are working |
| 23:37.34 | JordiGH | !tremulous |
| 23:37.38 | JordiGH | !info tremulous |
| 23:37.39 | pickcoder | mirak: you need to do -v |
| 23:37.40 | dpkg | tremulous: (Aliens vs Humans, team based FPS game with elements of an RTS), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 1.1.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 642 kB, Installed size: 1447 kB |
| 23:38.03 | pickcoder | look at Flags for the card |
| 23:38.16 | mirak | http://pastebin.ca/267626 |
| 23:38.27 | pickcoder | gah |
| 23:38.29 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 23:38.31 | esteel | JordiGH: is wesnoth free and native linux? |
| 23:38.35 | pickcoder | a wild guess that didn't pan out |
| 23:38.42 | quintin_ | how is tremulous non-free ? |
| 23:38.50 | quintin_ | and who gives a fuck |
| 23:38.57 | mirak | pickcoder: what ? |
| 23:39.00 | quintin_ | esteel: wesnoth is free sure. and kind of fun |
| 23:39.11 | pickcoder | mirak: you can try port 3 |
| 23:39.15 | RvGaTe | im off to bed, cya all tom. at work :P |
| 23:39.32 | JordiGH | esteel: Indeed. And roxx0rz, imho. So does Nexuiz, which is also GPLed and natively GNU/Linux. |
| 23:39.38 | JordiGH | !nexuiz |
| 23:39.38 | dpkg | well, nexuiz is a back-to-basics deathmatch game, originally based on the Quake 1 engine but since heavily modded and customised, completely GPLed, including data files. |
| 23:39.39 | pickcoder | mirak: if your machine only has one serial port then your USB dongle could be COM port "2" |
| 23:39.53 | pickcoder | which is actually device 3 in that list |
| 23:40.01 | stew | quintin_: tremulous must be free if it is in contrib |
| 23:40.06 | esteel | JordiGH: and in debian :) |
| 23:40.07 | stew | quintin_: well should be, at least |
| 23:40.18 | quintin_ | stew: someone above said it wasn't |
| 23:40.24 | esteel | quintin_, JordiGH hmm sounds like i should try it ;) |
| 23:40.25 | quintin_ | stew: fix my exim? <3 |
| 23:40.27 | mirak | pickcoder: how do you know it's port 2 ? |
| 23:40.31 | pickcoder | provide lirc with 2E8 as the port and irq 3 |
| 23:40.32 | quintin_ | esteel: tremulous is super |
| 23:40.41 | pickcoder | mirak: anyone with PC knowledge knows COM ports and irqs |
| 23:40.41 | quintin_ | esteel: and I'll be happy to kick your ass any time <3 |
| 23:40.51 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:40.54 | esteel | quintin_: i do not like it that much.. but maybe i'm biased :) |
| 23:41.03 | mirak | pickcoder: not me, that's too old |
| 23:41.06 | stew | JordiGH: tremulous must be free if it is in contrib |
| 23:41.09 | esteel | quintin_: hehe, lets see about that ass kicking :) |
| 23:41.12 | JordiGH | stew: Its data files aren't. |
| 23:41.20 | stew | JordiGH: ah ok |
| 23:41.23 | pickcoder | hm |
| 23:41.25 | mirak | pickcoder: I need to rebuild a lirc module I guess |
| 23:41.31 | pickcoder | except 2E8 is com3 |
| 23:41.34 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:41.46 | pickcoder | mirak: no, use the lirc_serial driver |
| 23:41.49 | quintin_ | esteel: I'd pwnz0r j00h |
| 23:42.02 | JordiGH | Also, I want to play xtux, because I really want to play a game where I get to be rms and fight against an evil proprietary software company. |
| 23:42.04 | JordiGH | !info xtux |
| 23:42.12 | dpkg | xtux: (legacy package that you should remove), section games, is optional. Version: 0.2.030306-10 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 23:42.16 | JordiGH | But right now, I'm still downloading Vegastriek. |
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| 23:42.19 | mirak | pickcoder: that's the one I used, but it's built with the serial pci card irq and port |
| 23:42.22 | JordiGH | Vegastrike. |
| 23:42.31 | esteel | quintin_: hehe, let me first take a look at it :) |
| 23:42.58 | quintin_ | proprietary software is evil? |
| 23:43.05 | quintin_ | communists |
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| 23:43.22 | esteel | quintin_: that one? p wesnoth - fantasy turn-based strategy game |
| 23:43.35 | quintin_ | esteel: that's wesnoth. I can kick your ass in it too, probably! |
| 23:43.37 | JordiGH | quintin: YOU HATE FREEDOM! Terrorist. |
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| 23:43.45 | quintin_ | JordiGH: hah |
| 23:43.47 | pickcoder | I'm confused now.. what's the address for COM4 |
| 23:43.59 | esteel | turn based strategy is not really 'my kind' of game.. for sure you will kick my ass there :) |
| 23:44.04 | esteel | though i like nethack :) |
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| 23:44.23 | JordiGH | esteel: Let me know about tremulous. It has elements of RTS. It's going to be my next download. |
| 23:44.29 | JordiGH | Also, supertuxkart is kinda fun. |
| 23:44.32 | gbw | hello, i am trying to run an application, but it tells me that exec: 8: /usr/local/esterelv5_21/bin/strlsh: not found, although there is such file in the directory, what could be wrong? |
| 23:44.39 | pickcoder | 2e0 |
| 23:44.44 | pickcoder | gah.. it's been too long |
| 23:44.46 | mirak | pickcoder: I don't undertsatnd |
| 23:45.05 | pickcoder | mirak: you can specify the driver paramters without recompiling it |
| 23:45.20 | mirak | pickcoder: ah good to know |
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| 23:46.00 | JordiGH | Ooh, xtux is a shooter! |
| 23:46.33 | mirak | pickcoder: I have /dev/ttyS{0,1,2,3} I think the third one is just a dummy or something like that. because I already have /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 23:46.36 | pickcoder | you have to specify them as module options |
| 23:46.40 | pickcoder | like options lirc_serial irq=4 io=0x3e8 |
| 23:46.49 | mirak | /dev/ttyS3, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 3 |
| 23:47.00 | mirak | damn, it might be it then |
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| 23:47.39 | mirak | pickcoder: or maybe the motherboard have this port on the chipset but it's not present "hardware" |
| 23:48.11 | esteel | JordiGH: well i never played it much.. i'm sure it can be fun.. team based, strategiy like.. but realtime and guns :) |
| 23:49.27 | pickcoder | mirak: it would not show up in /dev/ or /proc if it was disabled in BIOS |
| 23:49.46 | mirak | I think I have only one port in the bios |
| 23:50.52 | pickcoder | mirak: you either have 1 or 2 male DB connectors |
| 23:51.03 | pickcoder | excluding the PCI card |
| 23:51.21 | mirak | just one I must put a prolongator to a pci bay |
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| 23:53.03 | pipeline | JordiGH: Tremulous can be fun, but the pubbie players are pure shit. |
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| 23:53.50 | mirak | pickcoder: I really don't know where this device is comming from /dev/ttyS3, UART: unknown, Port: 0x02e8, IRQ: 3 |
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| 23:54.01 | mirak | because I only have one port |
| 23:54.04 | JordiGH | pubbie? |
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| 23:54.11 | JordiGH | pipeline: pubbie? |
| 23:54.27 | pipeline | JordiGH: Casual noname players who join servers randomly :P |
| 23:54.40 | pipeline | JordiGH: i.e. most pickup games |
| 23:54.54 | pickcoder | mirak: in /etc/modutils create a file called lirc_serial |
| 23:54.55 | pipeline | JordiGH: There are a few servers with real communities, usually centered on the old Q2 mod |
| 23:55.07 | JordiGH | pipeline: Ah. |
| 23:55.16 | pickcoder | mirak: put in it " options lirc_serial irq=3 io=0x2e8 |
| 23:55.22 | pickcoder | " |
| 23:55.38 | pickcoder | then run update-modules |
| 23:55.38 | pipeline | JordiGH: It's not the locked-up clan/tournament-only world that the old Q2 mod was, though. You just have to find some people who play decent pickup games :P |
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| 23:56.25 | JordiGH | pipeline: How about Nexuiz? I'm getting tired of killing bots, and I wonder if working around my network restrictions is worth it. |
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| 23:57.07 | pipeline | JordiGH: I don't like nexuiz at all, so I wouldn't know. |
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| 23:58.03 | pickcoder | mirak: I don't think that will take effect on the live module. you may have to rmmod the lirc_serial module and then modprobe lirc_serial with those options |
| 23:58.23 | mirak | I tried modprobe lirc_serial irq=3 io=0x2e8 |
| 23:58.28 | JordiGH | Ooh, yippee. OpenDocument has been ISO standardised. |
| 23:58.45 | JordiGH | I wonder if the loyal opposition really will adopt an ISO standard? |
| 23:59.01 | pipeline | easier said than done |
| 23:59.04 | pipeline | opendocument is non-trivial |
| 23:59.19 | JordiGH | pipeline: So is .doc |
| 23:59.44 | pipeline | JordiGH: And how many things implement .doc capably? :P |
| 23:59.48 | JordiGH | Especially since the Beast from Redmond rises again, changing the .doc format once more. |
