| 00:00.11 | ppxxpp | I use gnome |
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| 00:00.46 | abrotman | it's your mouse |
| 00:00.49 | simonrvn | "i run redhat 5 with a kernel with a remote root vulnerability, and old vulnerable version of ssh and sendmail, on a publically accessible machine, all administered with webmin" |
| 00:00.51 | ppxxpp | when come into the desktop the big "X" will come out |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | ppxxpp: is it a laptop ? |
| 00:00.52 | EdLin | ppxxpp: gnome uses a window manager too, if you apt-getted the proper meta package it should "just work" |
| 00:01.09 | ppxxpp | yes |
| 00:01.15 | ppxxpp | IBM T23 |
| 00:01.22 | ppxxpp | use tow mouse |
| 00:01.27 | abrotman | does it have a touchpad and a trackpoint and you have a mouse plugged in ? |
| 00:02.00 | ppxxpp | usb and trackpoint |
| 00:02.31 | abrotman | does the mouse work at all? |
| 00:02.38 | ppxxpp | yes |
| 00:03.15 | ppxxpp | the arrowhead can work |
| 00:03.32 | ppxxpp | but the "X" can't move |
| 00:03.42 | abrotman | do you have two mice configured? |
| 00:03.48 | ppxxpp | yes |
| 00:04.34 | EdLin | ppxxpp: I should apologize for my canned answers |
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| 00:04.39 | abrotman | you should! |
| 00:04.49 | abrotman | ppxxpp: which kernel ? |
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| 00:05.12 | EdLin | abrotman: well, I did. :-) |
| 00:05.12 | ppxxpp | 2.6 |
| 00:05.17 | abrotman | EdLin: admit it .. you use KDE .. and you have a big K in the middle! |
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| 00:05.39 | EdLin | abrotman: I'm using GNU Screen at the moment, though I also use wmii |
| 00:05.52 | ppxxpp | it dos't matter |
| 00:05.54 | abrotman | does screen have a big S in the middle ? |
| 00:06.13 | abrotman | ppxxpp: more than likely .. you want to have one mouse defined at /dev/input/mice .. it should react to either mouse |
| 00:06.22 | EdLin | there's a big S near the bottom *now* |
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| 00:06.40 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:08.13 | ppxxpp | the configure |
| 00:08.15 | ppxxpp | Section "InputDevice" Identifier "TrackPoint" Driver "mouse" Option "CorePointer" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "PS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "USB Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" O |
| 00:08.21 | streuner | omg |
| 00:08.29 | dvs | ppxxpp: /dev/psaux is wrong! |
| 00:08.38 | dvs | ppxxpp: /dev/input/mice is correct |
| 00:08.39 | ppxxpp | it can work |
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| 00:08.53 | Onur_ | hi |
| 00:08.54 | ppxxpp | tow mouse |
| 00:09.04 | Onur_ | how can i get debian without jidgo ? |
| 00:09.11 | EdLin | !d-i Onur_ |
| 00:09.12 | dpkg | Onur_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 00:10.52 | abrotman | ppxxpp: use /dev/input/mice |
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| 00:11.33 | abrotman | ppxxpp: which kernel ? |
| 00:12.05 | ppxxpp | 2.6 |
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| 00:12.32 | abrotman | put "mousedev" in /etc/modules .. change your mouse device to /dev/input/mice |
| 00:13.31 | ppxxpp | the use mouse use /dev/input/mice,collision？ |
| 00:13.42 | ppxxpp | usb mouse |
| 00:14.04 | abrotman | you only need one |
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| 00:15.21 | ppxxpp | one configuration and tow mouse will all work? |
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| 00:15.45 | abrotman | two |
| 00:15.48 | abrotman | and it should |
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| 00:16.53 | g3brown | I'm running vsftpd on sarge. Looks like there was a new vsftpd release in Jul 2006. Can I apt-get an update for that and keep all the options I have or do I need to install a fresh copy? |
| 00:17.10 | abrotman | g3brown: you mean there was a security update? |
| 00:17.33 | g3brown | abrotman: I don't know. I just see there is a new version. |
| 00:17.48 | abrotman | see there's a new version .. where ? |
| 00:17.49 | epsilon | g3brown: if there's a new config to recommend, you'll be asked while upgrade |
| 00:18.08 | g3brown | abrotman: the new version supports max login attempts and I have wanted that for some time. |
| 00:18.23 | abrotman | g3brown: you mean you saw a new version on the vsftpd site? |
| 00:18.33 | g3brown | abrotman: yes |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | ah .. that's different than "in sarge" |
| 00:18.55 | g3brown | Can you post urls here? |
| 00:19.03 | epsilon | oh, vsftp not from debian package? Thaat's another question |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | g3brown: you can |
| 00:19.24 | g3brown | epsilon: yeah, I installed it original from apt-get install vsftpd |
| 00:19.24 | EdLin | !tell g3brown about backports |
| 00:19.31 | abrotman | not at backports.org |
| 00:19.41 | epsilon | then backport (if there's any) ot self-compile |
| 00:19.56 | EdLin | !tell g3brown about simple sid backport |
| 00:20.07 | epsilon | compare th sample config from vendor and your personal (old) one and update it |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | g3brown: you could also do that with iptables |
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| 00:20.57 | epsilon | BTW, proftpd supports that "feature" since ages |
| 00:21.11 | g3brown | abrotman: I'm a little intimidated with iptables |
| 00:21.38 | g3brown | epsilon: yeah, and I almost used it. I found vsftp to be faster at transfers on my network. |
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| 00:21.58 | abrotman | faster? |
| 00:22.01 | abrotman | by how much? |
| 00:22.12 | maher | if i have a mac mini and I only want to run linux which boot loader is recommended? |
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| 00:22.18 | g3brown | abrotman: I don't remember now. Enough to make me use it. |
| 00:22.39 | abrotman | g3brown: well.. you've got four options .. 1) wait 2) use /msg dpkg simple sid backport(if it's in sid) 3) use proftpd 4) use iptables |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | erm .. 5) compile it yourself and use stow/checkinstall |
| 00:22.59 | simonrvn | maher: the installer will pick it for you. FYI, it'd be yaboot. |
| 00:23.05 | g3brown | abrotman: wait, would be wait for it to be in the stable updates? |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:23.29 | epsilon | 6) if it's in LAN, use something else than FTP |
| 00:23.33 | maher | simonrvn: ummm.. on mactel? |
| 00:23.34 | abrotman | it'd be "wait for the next stable release" |
| 00:23.48 | abrotman | grub doesn't work on a mactel ? |
| 00:23.51 | simonrvn | maher: a mac mini isn't intel, it's ppc |
| 00:24.04 | maher | simonrvn: ummm.... its i386 |
| 00:24.06 | g3brown | abrotman: ah. I might look into iptables again then. thanks for help |
| 00:24.10 | simonrvn | since when? |
| 00:24.13 | maher | simonrvn: or ia32 in fact |
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| 00:24.20 | maher | simonrvn: since 18months ago |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | simonrvn: they released x86 macminis |
| 00:24.31 | simonrvn | sick bastards |
| 00:24.34 | Will_ | How can I make a directory that two users can both write to? |
| 00:24.35 | g3brown | abrotman: I will read about backport, but that sounds greek right now. |
| 00:24.49 | abrotman | Will_: groups |
| 00:24.55 | maher | abrotman: the mactel-linux page seems to think there is some issue with grub |
| 00:24.57 | abrotman | g3brown: why are you using ftp ? |
| 00:24.59 | epsilon | apple is intel unpowered now |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | maher: eh . ok |
| 00:25.14 | w3rdn4 | checking for Qt library version >= 3.1.1... no; Qt 3.1.1 or greater is required <-- I just install qt4 |
| 00:25.16 | w3rdn4 | wtf is up with this? |
| 00:25.22 | simonrvn | epsilon: i knew that, but i didn't know they had made inhel mac minis |
| 00:25.23 | g3brown | abrotman: various reasons. Mostly because of a mix environment of computers. |
| 00:25.24 | abrotman | w3rdn4: did you get the -dev package ? |
| 00:25.31 | abrotman | g3brown: use samba ? |
| 00:25.40 | epsilon | or NFS? |
| 00:25.43 | maher | abrotman: maybe i'll try grub anyway - i've foolishly nuked the osx partition which had refit on it so i'm not sure my box is bootable atm |
| 00:25.46 | w3rdn4 | abrotman, yes |
| 00:25.48 | Guerin | fckinghell |
| 00:25.49 | dvs | w3rdn4: qt4 is MUCH different than qt3 |
| 00:25.59 | g3brown | Will_: assign groups rights to a the directory and assign those 2 users to the group. |
| 00:26.03 | w3rdn4 | dvs, I am also using qt3-dev which is 3.3.6 |
| 00:26.06 | w3rdn4 | and still get the same issues |
| 00:26.08 | g3brown | abrotman: yeah, I use samba too |
| 00:26.11 | abrotman | maher: you check the mac intel site ? |
| 00:26.12 | epsilon | using FTP inside LAN for permanent file exchange is kinda pointless |
| 00:26.13 | simonrvn | maher: it'd be grub or lilo i guess. i hear the firmware is EFI based |
| 00:26.16 | Guerin | i have a rhine nic which appears to reboot my machine whenever I plug it into another computer |
| 00:26.18 | abrotman | g3brown: eh .. what OS doesn't like samba ? |
| 00:26.39 | abrotman | Guerin: hint .. stop doing that |
| 00:26.40 | epsilon | every OS except Windows :P |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | what other OSes are there ? |
| 00:27.03 | simonrvn | windows isn't an os |
| 00:27.12 | simonrvn | it's a ds |
| 00:27.15 | g3brown | abrotman: I like samba a lot. It's the enviroment I'm in. |
| 00:27.24 | simonrvn | dysfunctional system |
| 00:27.29 | Guerin | abrotman: thanks. If only you'd given me this advice before it closed down the 20-odd pdfs and 30-odd documents I'm now going to have to go back and find on LexisNexis |
| 00:27.31 | abrotman | g3brown: right .. but what OS doesn't speak CIFS ? |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | Guerin: oh .. i'm sorry .. i'm a right bastard! |
| 00:27.43 | epsilon | .oO OS-WAR!!!1111 |
| 00:28.01 | Guerin | abrotman: right ... bastard. |
| 00:28.06 | g3brown | abrotman: I have computers coming in and out my environment |
| 00:28.11 | w3rdn4 | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 00:28.16 | abrotman | g3brown: you're being intentionally vague! |
| 00:28.25 | Guerin | the good news is that it looks like the 72-hour research essay will be done in a bit over 48 hours |
| 00:28.25 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 00:28.26 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 rabid ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 00:28.27 | g3brown | abrotman: I'm not, I just don't type as fast as you. |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | w3rdn4: yeah .. install libqt3-dev |
| 00:28.43 | abrotman | g3brown: i just need one OS that doesn't like CIFS! |
| 00:28.52 | stew | if anyone has rabid ostriches i think i have the other stuff |
| 00:28.58 | w3rdn4 | abrotman, already did that and still get the same error |
| 00:29.02 | stew | abrotman: amiga? |
| 00:29.06 | g3brown | abrotman: I have computers coming in and out of my enviromennt, so samba presents me with security issues. |
| 00:29.18 | abrotman | stew: do amigas do ftp? :) |
| 00:29.35 | stew | i have no idea, they probably do, and actually they probably do cifs these days even |
| 00:29.38 | abrotman | g3brown: okeedokee .. |
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| 00:29.56 | g3brown | abrotman: where you going to suggest something besides samba? |
| 00:29.57 | stew | and it can't be worse than the cifs support in linux, which sucks |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | g3brown: nfs! |
| 00:30.08 | stew | i have a server that reboots every other day because of cifs |
| 00:30.21 | abrotman | stew: eh .. i have a samba box .. doesn't do that |
| 00:30.25 | stew | but i'm replacing the windows files server with linux on saturday!! |
| 00:30.30 | g3brown | abrotman: how well does windows support that? |
| 00:30.38 | De_Mon | if windows isn't an os, what os does windows run on? |
| 00:30.45 | saboteur | vms |
| 00:30.46 | abrotman | g3brown: there is an NFS client for win32 |
| 00:30.46 | stew | bah |
| 00:31.07 | dvs | De_Mon: faith |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | or at least one |
| 00:31.13 | g3brown | abrotman: I test it out; speed wise. That is my biggest concern. |
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| 00:31.47 | De_Mon | dvs no, seriously. (but it was funny) |
| 00:31.51 | abrotman | stew: eh ? |
| 00:32.20 | De_Mon | does anyone have a simple openSER config for doing SIP/UDP <-> SIP/TCP |
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| 00:32.46 | g3brown | abrotman: I'm off, thanks again for help |
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| 00:32.52 | stew | abrotman: i'm assuming your employer doesn't know there are more reasonable programming languages out there other than whatever mess of a language you had shown us before that you were using there |
| 00:32.56 | stew | i guess that was a stretch |
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| 00:33.26 | abrotman | stew: oh .. yeah .. they know .. they just don't know them .. so we do that RPN stack-based scripting crap :) |
| 00:33.38 | jsn | I have a headless server, can I possibly boot it with the rescue CD to change the root password? I have physical access (it is sitting right here) |
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| 00:33.54 | De_Mon | oops wrong channel |
| 00:34.11 | mattl | jsn, you can boot with 'linux single' and change it, no? |
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| 00:34.41 | jsn | mattl: What is "linux single" ? |
| 00:34.50 | mattl | single user mode. |
| 00:35.00 | jsn | How do I boot into single user mode? |
| 00:35.10 | mattl | jsn, http://linux.about.com/od/linux101/l/blnewbie3_2_3.htm |
| 00:35.15 | simonrvn | <kernel source>/Documentation/parameters.txt IIRC |
| 00:35.21 | stew | jsn: do you use grub or lilo? |
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| 00:35.45 | w3rdn4 | w3rdn4:/cvs/qjackctl# ./configure QTDIR="/usr/share/qt3/lib/" |
| 00:35.47 | w3rdn4 | checking for main in -lqt-mt... yes |
| 00:35.47 | w3rdn4 | checking for Qt library version >= 3.1.1... no; Qt 3.1.1 or greater is required |
| 00:35.47 | stew | jsn: oh nevermind, headless? you don't want single user mode then |
| 00:36.10 | w3rdn4 | in that dir there is libqt-mt.so.3.3 |
| 00:36.18 | w3rdn4 | which is per-fing-plexing |
| 00:36.27 | stew | jsn: you don't know the current root password? |
| 00:36.31 | simonrvn | don't specify the QTDIR... |
| 00:36.46 | jsn | stew: I might be able to guess it, but I set it a _long_ time ago, so, for sake of argument, no |
| 00:36.53 | Zaib | guys i m stuck in a problem .... i hv compiled linux kerner 2.6.17 with linux-patch-bootsplash applied on my debian machine which already have 2.6.17 kernel i compiled before with out the patch .. |
| 00:37.39 | mattl | jsn, you could always try linux single and just type carefully, no? stew? |
| 00:37.58 | simonrvn | oooh, fun blind typing ;) |
| 00:37.58 | stew | w3rdn4: config.log should tell you what exactly it is looking for |
| 00:37.59 | Zaib | i m using bootcd package for transfering my intalled image to a remote system via a cd |
| 00:38.17 | stew | mattl: tell him how to get into linux single mode, not knowing if he using grub or lilo |
| 00:38.38 | mattl | simonrvn, in soviet russia ;) |
| 00:38.39 | Zaib | but when i tried to make a cd write via bootcdwrite its its mounting file system readonly and erroring |
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| 00:38.44 | jsn | I don't even have a keyboard connected currently. So, linux single is not an option |
| 00:38.46 | Zaib | can ne one help me out |
| 00:38.47 | Zaib | >> |
| 00:38.55 | jsn | stew: mattl showed me the link (and i forgot to thank him) |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | can who? |
| 00:39.09 | mattl | jsn, lack of keyboard is more of a problem, i'd say ;) |
| 00:39.14 | stew | jsn: you can't log in as root remotely? can you log in as a regular user remotely? |
| 00:39.19 | w3rdn4 | configure:4115: g++ -o conftest -g -O2 -I/usr/share/qt3/lib//include conftest.cpp -L/usr/share/qt3/lib//lib >&5 |
| 00:39.19 | w3rdn4 | conftest.cpp:9:21: error: qglobal.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:39.19 | w3rdn4 | ' |
| 00:39.19 | mattl | you have physical access? |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | w3rdn4: STOP PASTING IN HERE |
| 00:39.26 | Zaib | abrotman: asking me ? |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | !tell w3rdn4 about search |
| 00:39.40 | mattl | what's stopping you popping the lid and sticking in a vga card and a keyboard? |
| 00:39.43 | jsn | mattl, stew: I have physical access. |
| 00:40.00 | jsn | It's right here, loudly whirring away. It's a 1U with a loud(compared to normal computer) fan |
| 00:40.03 | mattl | vga card. heh, for a powerpc user, i sound so street. ;) |
| 00:40.04 | stew | w3rdn4: /msg dpkg apt-file ; apt-file search qglobal.h |
| 00:40.55 | stew | jsn: do you have a null modem cable and a rs232 port? |
| 00:41.05 | w3rdn4 | stew, dpkg did nothing |
| 00:41.14 | jsn | oh, it has a monitor port and a keyboard jack, but they are in storage. Thinking about going to midtown, dragging the (too big) monitor out of storage, lugging it on the subway back... more pain than I'd hope for |
| 00:41.16 | stew | dpkg: tell w3rdn4 about apt-file |
| 00:41.37 | jsn | stew: i'm googling those things now |
| 00:41.55 | stew | jsn: where are you located? |
| 00:42.20 | stew | jsn: i'll take a cab to midtown for you and fix it for a small fortune :)( |
| 00:42.46 | jsn | stew: i'm in harlem, actually, the storage is chelsea mini-storage at 29th and 11th |
| 00:43.05 | jsn | eh, for a small fortune i could take a cab both ways |
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| 00:43.22 | jsn | or livery, even |
| 00:43.44 | stew | those are more than a small fortune these days |
| 00:43.51 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | i know .. i checked for sat 1pm game :) |
| 00:43.59 | stoned | I worked 12.5 hours today |
| 00:44.01 | stoned | I'm beat |
| 00:44.11 | stoned | stew, abrotman, hi |
| 00:44.12 | dvs | stoned: Why? Bad day? |
| 00:44.16 | abrotman | stoned: ehy |
| 00:44.18 | stoned | nah, awesome day |
| 00:44.21 | stew | hi |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | dvs: he works for dell .. come on :) |
| 00:44.30 | stoned | love my work, other wise I wouldn't be doing more than 8 hours |
| 00:44.30 | stoned | :) |
| 00:44.30 | jsn | oh, well, i do good. I just wanted to save the _time_ of going all the way down there, mucking about. Heck, I'm not even sure where the keyboard _is_ in the storage unit |
| 00:44.38 | dvs | abrotman: oh. REALLY bad day. ;-) |
| 00:44.48 | stoned | eh, fsck ya'll |
| 00:44.49 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:45.28 | stew | jsn: can't you go walking around the neighborhood until you find a kb and monitor? here in brooklyn on trash night you can always find them pretty quickly :) |
| 00:46.10 | jsn | oh, harlem is getting tres gentrified. this block had five artist studios showing during the HOAST festival last weekened |
| 00:46.22 | stoned | I grew up, well kinda, in south bronx, around montefeuri hospital |
| 00:46.32 | dvs | stew: but do they work? |
| 00:46.56 | stoned | back then pc's were expensive and the latest/greatest was windows 3.1 |
| 00:47.18 | stoned | I never saw any pc parts on trash days |
| 00:47.23 | stoned | saw a lot of homeless guys |
| 00:47.45 | jsn | i grew up all over, but mostly in /New (Jersey|Mexico)/ |
| 00:47.55 | stew | dvs: yes, i have two servers here that are trash picks |
| 00:48.05 | stew | dvs: and all of my current crts |
| 00:48.11 | dvs | o_O |
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| 00:48.18 | stoned | I found two 19" CRTs without powercables on the same street I liv eon |
| 00:48.23 | stoned | they work |
| 00:48.30 | stew | dvs: the best i've gotten so far was a dual p2 that had two 15k 18g cheetahs in it |
| 00:48.42 | stoned | nice |
| 00:48.44 | jsn | nmap 192.168.1.0/8 < - is that the right syntax? |
| 00:48.45 | stoned | scsi |
| 00:48.49 | stew | dvs: it was fully working once you disabled the broken floppy drive |
| 00:48.52 | jsn | seems to be taking a long time to return |
| 00:49.33 | stew | jsn: you probably want /24 you certainly don't want to be braoder than /16 |
| 00:49.34 | abrotman | return ? |
| 00:49.58 | stew | not that i know the syntax to nmap though |
| 00:50.08 | stoned | I bet the manpage does |
| 00:50.11 | stoned | man nmap |
| 00:50.20 | stoned | just a guess, I might be wrong ;) |
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| 00:51.13 | Hotwire | Hi. Does anyone know of an application to securely erase files and or free space? Full kde integration would be an added bonus. :) |
| 00:51.41 | stoned | Hotwire, try #KDE as well |
| 00:51.49 | stoned | I personally don't know of any |
| 00:52.00 | Hotwire | :) |
| 00:52.04 | Hotwire | thanks |
| 00:52.05 | maher | Hotwire: what fs |
| 00:52.14 | Hotwire | maher: ext3 |
| 00:53.53 | maher | Hotwire: short answer - probably isn't one - ext3 is too clever at leaving stuff lying around - you can use wipe on the whole partition though |
| 00:55.00 | Hotwire | It's not really that important, get getting paranoid in my old age ;) |
| 00:55.12 | Hotwire | s/get/just/ |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | man shred ? |
| 00:56.15 | maher | abrotman: afaik shred isn't guaranteed to work on ext3 |
| 00:57.02 | abrotman | nfc .. read the man page .. see if it says or not |
| 00:57.12 | Hotwire | Thanks for the help guys |
| 00:57.18 | abrotman | ah .. it does say so |
| 00:57.30 | jsn | I wanted /24. I had it backwards. Thanks. |
| 00:58.09 | jsn | Well, back to storage. Tomorrow after work? Hmm. |
| 00:58.20 | jsn | And, tonight, back to reading "Fractured Europe: 1600-1721" |
| 00:59.07 | jsn | Gosh those were confusing times. Dynastic ambition, Reformation and Counter-Reformation, nothing really like the modern state around, and everyone calling themselves II, and III and IV and generally confusing things. |
| 00:59.39 | maher | jsn: quentin skinner's stuff on that period is fun too... |
| 00:59.51 | jsn | Ferdinand II, Ferdinand III, Ferdinand IV, and the Cardinal-Infanta, Cardinal Ferdinand (cousin of Ferd IV) |
| 00:59.56 | Hotwire | jsn: that sounds like a good book. Next on my reading list is a full history of Europe |
| 01:00.18 | jsn | A good book? CV Wedgwood's "The Thirty Years War" was a really well-written book. |
| 01:00.30 | jsn | This one isn't nearly as engaging. |
| 01:01.12 | jsn | I do need a book on the Hundred Years War, of which the American War of Independence was a front. |
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| 01:01.35 | jsn | front? theatre? battle? something. The Seven Years War, too (part of the 100) |
| 01:01.55 | jsn | France wanted to hurt England, so they helped the Colonial rebels. |
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| 01:03.16 | jsn | Nobody survived the 100 years war (who lives to be 100?) |
| 01:03.20 | jsn | ;Op |
| 01:03.51 | lucia_ | :o |
| 01:03.52 | jsn | ok, ciao for now. |
| 01:05.16 | harmfool | hello everybody and not to body :) |
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| 01:07.23 | lucia_ | hello |
| 01:07.54 | harmfool | lucia_: can i talk to you in priv ? |
| 01:08.10 | lucia_ | sure. |
| 01:08.24 | lucia_ | but i cannot english very well.. |
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| 01:16.32 | abrotman | breezy ? |
| 01:18.12 | liable | shut the window! |
| 01:18.29 | Alexismoy | well, all privileges for /var fixed ;) |
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| 01:24.58 | knowall | my sata drive is not detected as a device. drive is Maxtor 160G, controller is Intel ICH5, kernel-2.6.15, debian etch. I have config kernel for Intel PIIX/ICH SATA support. Anthing else to do? |
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| 01:26.15 | knowall | anybody's home? where are all the debianers? |
| 01:26.26 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 01:26.42 | knowall | helloooo :D |
| 01:26.54 | amphi | !greet knowall |
| 01:26.54 | dpkg | Tag, knowall |
| 01:27.40 | knowall | any suggestion for my problem, besides the greetings? |
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| 01:28.01 | knowall | good to be greeted but it would be better if my problem is solved. |
| 01:28.03 | abrotman | knowall: where'd you get that kernel ? |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | !great amphi |
| 01:28.35 | knowall | abrotman: compile it from debian linux-source. |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | you mean 2.6.16 ? |
| 01:29.18 | abrotman | knowall: why did you compile your kernel ? |
| 01:29.19 | pstickne | how can I send a character (like \0) to a terminal? |
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| 01:29.42 | abrotman | echo -ne '\0' |
| 01:29.44 | knowall | abrotman: i need the kernel-header to install softwares. |
| 01:29.53 | pstickne | abrotman, err, to STDIN :) |
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| 01:30.09 | dan2 | abrotman: what's your favorite billy joel song? |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | make up your mind! |
| 01:30.20 | knowall | abrotman: is the problem in the kernel? |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | dan2: and so it goes |
| 01:30.27 | dan2 | ok |
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| 01:30.29 | abrotman | knowall: uh .. probably |
| 01:30.39 | Will_ | knowall: You don't need to compile the kernel to get the headers. |
| 01:30.49 | dan2 | abrotman: mine's we didn't start the fire |
| 01:30.49 | knowall | abrotman: what makes you say so? |
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| 01:31.03 | abrotman | knowall: did it work with the debian kernel ? |
| 01:31.07 | Will_ | knowall: You should reboot into the stock debian kernel, then apt-get install linux-headers-blah |
| 01:31.09 | knowall | Will_: that is another issue to be discussed some other time. |
| 01:31.11 | abrotman | dan2: you need to listen to a lot more |
| 01:31.14 | Finchwizard | Have a few problems with Apache2 on my Debian server, I've had a few of "[Thu Sep 14 11:17:32 2006] [notice] child pid 17117 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)" in error.log, what can cause that? |
| 01:31.55 | dan2 | abrotman: what's your favorite pink floyd song? |
| 01:32.17 | dan2 | or album if you can't answer song |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | i don't remember .. i stopped listening to floyd .. 10+ years ago |
| 01:32.27 | knowall | abrotman: may be it can, but if it is my kernel, then i have only to get the configs right. |
| 01:32.39 | abrotman | knowall: but why are you compiling a kernel ? |
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| 01:33.16 | knowall | abrotman: i need to install non-debian stuffs. that is not the issue now. |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | like what? |
| 01:33.53 | knowall | abrotman: do you know the correct kernel config for Intel ICH5 sata? |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | yeah .. use a debian kernle :) |
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| 01:34.59 | abrotman | knowall: ask #kernel |
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| 01:46.35 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:46.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 01:46.51 | eldowan | got to love !moo |
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| 01:48.26 | magyar | 8:53pm up 390 days, 3:34, 1 user, load average: 0.16, 0.11, 0.04 |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | your clock is offf |
| 01:48.59 | magyar | nahh, the server is in nashville |
| 01:49.15 | benjamindees2 | mkfs.msdos /dev/fd0; mount /dev/fd0; mount lists /dev/fd0 mounted as vfat ?? |
| 01:49.16 | abrotman | dude .. it's not 8:53 anywhere |
| 01:49.21 | benjamindees2 | on sarge btw |
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| 01:49.40 | eldowan | 8:49 here |
| 01:49.48 | abrotman | no shit .. it's not 8:53 |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | stoned: bored? |
| 01:50.03 | eldowan | just wait about 5 minutes |
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| 01:52.59 | benjamindees | did anyone see my question? (I wasn't identified) |
| 01:53.04 | knowall | my mtrr does not come up correctly after boot. i can manually set it but it will be lost after reboot. how tomake it stay? |
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| 01:54.24 | abrotman | benjamindees: was it a question? |
| 01:54.43 | knowall | nobody interested in, or able to, answering questions. only talking nonsense. |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | !mtrr |
| 01:54.50 | dpkg | mtrr is, like, Memory Type Range Register, a feature on modern x86 processors that can give a 2.5x performance boost when using PCI/AGP graphics cards. MTRR's are supported by Intel PPro or higher, Cyrix 6x86L and AMD K6-2 (step>=8). Ask me about 'mtrr deb', courtesy of xk, which automatically configures /proc/mtrr. Read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/mtrr.txt to find out how to enable it the hard way. |
| 01:54.51 | Piet | benjamindees: what other than vfat did you expect? |
| 01:55.50 | benjamindees | msdos ? |
| 01:56.30 | knowall | !mtrr deb |
| 01:56.30 | dpkg | mtrr deb is, like, at http://center.oftheinter.net/~debian/slink/ |
| 01:56.36 | abrotman | haha .. slink |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | benjamindees: vfat is ok for dos |
| 01:57.14 | knowall | abrotman: what's so funny about slink? |
| 01:57.24 | abrotman | !slink |
| 01:57.25 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 01:57.34 | benjamindees | okay here's what happened: I do it the way above, copy a file, take it to a freedos box and the directory listing is all garbled |
| 01:58.02 | knowall | abrotman: so you are dispensing out-of-date inf. |
| 01:58.05 | benjamindees | so I start over, fdformat, mkfs.msdos, mount -tmsdos, copy a file and it works perfectly |
| 01:58.07 | knowall | info. |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | knowall: read the .txt file ? |
| 01:58.37 | knowall | that is the hard way. |
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| 01:58.51 | sunos__ | uhh que flash, pense ue esta en tkg y decia que hacen todos hablando en ingles |
| 01:58.52 | sunos__ | :-S |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:59.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:59.37 | sunos__ | dpkg: thank you, i am no need help |
| 01:59.37 | dpkg | sunos__: de rien |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 02:00.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 02:02.44 | knowall | abrotman: xfree86 auto set the mtrr. so should xorg, and i am using xorg-7.0 |
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| 02:04.43 | PopKillaR | helo |
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| 02:05.44 | PopKillaR | anybody know if it is possible to add a debian server as a DNS server (internal network use) on a windows network enviroment. |
| 02:05.48 | PopKillaR | ? |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | why wouldn't it be? |
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| 02:07.17 | PopKillaR | the network currently has 2 dns servers (in windows 2003), they talk to each other and migrate data between each other, i was wondering if those two windows dns servers could talk to a linux dns server and prograge the information between each other. |
| 02:08.08 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:09.13 | benjamindees | okay I see freedos doesn't enable vfat support by default |
| 02:09.24 | PopKillaR | windows dns servers ingrates within Active Directory, so i wasn't sure if there was going to be issue on how different servers can talk to each other and still prograte proper information between each other. i'm trying to google a guide to intergate a linux (pefered debain) server in windows envrioment. |
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| 02:09.44 | abrotman | PopKillaR: ask #dns or #bind .. but i don't see why it wouldn't work |
| 02:10.20 | PopKillaR | cool i'll ask in dns, anything is possible with linux i'm sure =D |
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| 02:11.07 | Bonkers | new install of debian testing, added contrib and non-free to my sources.list, I have nvidia-kernel-* now, but nvidia-kernel-sources and nvidia-glx are missing, so m-a auto-install nvidia doesn't work, what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:11.27 | benjamindees | well if you're talking about domain controllers it's a Samba issue and I think there are some interoperability problems still |
| 02:11.34 | parsonsd | humph. anybody know the exit code for `sudo`? i can't find it in the manpage.... :( |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 02:12.04 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 02:12.43 | Bonkers | parsonsd, exit code? you mean exit? |
| 02:13.50 | Bonkers | why was half the nvidia stuff removed from testing? |
| 02:13.53 | bwlang | anybody know what files alsa creates in /dev ? |
| 02:14.22 | bwlang | i need to find out what's keeping me from unloading my sound modules with fuser /dev/something (not /dev/dsp) |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | Bonkers: processes usually exit 1 or 0 |
| 02:15.04 | Bonkers | well I know that, but why would that be listed in a manpage? |
| 02:15.41 | abrotman | some man pages list it |
| 02:16.02 | Bonkers | testing is called etch right now? I only see sarge and unstable stuff at that rdonald page |
| 02:16.42 | benjamindees | it should be called testing, and not etch until it's released |
| 02:18.28 | parsonsd | Bonkers : nah -- looking for the exit code/error code after the program finishes; figure that it should be able to tell me if the sudo command failed. (i'm trying to use `sudo -v` at the beginning of a script and exiting the script if the command fails) |
| 02:18.31 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: etch is what it will always be called. testing, stable, and oldstable are just symlinks. |
| 02:18.34 | abrotman | etch will be aliased with testing until it is released .. at which time it will become stable |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 02:18.42 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/08/msg00005.html |
| 02:18.59 | Bonkers | parsonsd: and it's not just standard exit codes? you can't use && ? |
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| 02:19.16 | parsonsd | Bonkers ... er... |
| 02:19.37 | Bonkers | or ||, as in 'sudo || die' |
| 02:19.45 | Bonkers | well I guess 'sudo || exit 1' |
| 02:19.54 | parsonsd | Bonkers : great, now I gotta go back to shell manpage... Thanks! (grr) :) |
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| 02:20.08 | Bonkers | that's normally what you do with utils that play nice |
| 02:20.47 | jcole | how do i make "dpkg -i {package.deb}" automatically install the depends without needing to do an "apt-get -f install"? |
| 02:21.04 | parsonsd | Bonkers : hm. i'll try it. thanks, even if it is more work. grump |
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| 02:21.29 | dendrite | jcole: dpkg doesn't know about dependencies. Use apt-get install <package> |
| 02:21.43 | dendrite | jcole: Is there some reason you don't want to run apt-get -f install ? |
| 02:21.47 | jcole | dendrite: apt will install a .deb file? |
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| 02:22.10 | jcole | dendrite: ya, it's a preseed postinstall command |
| 02:22.12 | dendrite | jcole: Ah, I see, you have a .deb in hand. |
| 02:22.32 | abrotman | dpkg -i <pkg> && apt-get -f install ? :) |
| 02:22.40 | harmfool | ieap :) |
| 02:22.46 | jcole | abrotman: right |
| 02:23.04 | jcole | abrotman: i thought there was a more beautiful way to do it |
| 02:23.07 | jcole | lol |
| 02:23.29 | dendrite | jcole: Or dump the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and rm the /var/cache/apt/*.bin files, then update and install. |
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| 02:23.57 | jcole | hmm |
| 02:24.11 | jcole | dendrite: that is a very interesting idea |
| 02:24.13 | Bonkers | why must nvidia cards on debian be so difficult? |
| 02:24.17 | dendrite | jcole: I'm not certain that would work, but It's the first thing I'd try. |
| 02:24.28 | dendrite | Bonkers: Because nvidia is closed source. |
| 02:24.29 | abrotman | Bonkers: because nvidia won't open source drivers? |
| 02:24.32 | Sixshoot | anyone had luck setting up a Dell 1704FPT chipset ATI Radeon X600 (PCIE) for X? |
| 02:24.40 | Bonkers | no other distro has this problem |
| 02:25.00 | dendrite | Bonkers: Debian is about freedom, in a big way. |
| 02:25.02 | abrotman | because they have no morals :) |
| 02:25.06 | Sixshoot | Bonkers: download the nvidia x configuring utility from nvidia's website |
| 02:25.14 | Bonkers | freedom to spend hours getting nvidia drivers working? |
| 02:25.48 | jcole | isn't there a module-assistant for the nvidia driver? |
| 02:25.50 | harmfool | Bonkers: if you dont like it, you always are free to use another system |
| 02:25.53 | Sixshoot | jcole: yea |
| 02:25.57 | keith80403 | Bonkers, Freedom to be sure that all of Debian is available to you. |
| 02:26.36 | jcole | Bonkers: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 02:26.40 | Bonkers | jcole, not working |
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| 02:26.52 | Bonkers | nvidia-kernel-sources doesn't exist in testing |
| 02:27.09 | EdLin | !why is nvidia-kernel-sources not in testing? |
| 02:27.09 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-sources is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-sources |
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| 02:27.28 | Bonkers | now i got them from the site I was pointed to, but now it complains that rivafb support is compiled into the kernel |
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| 02:27.42 | keko_ | jihuu |
| 02:27.44 | keko_ | !op |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:28.21 | Bonkers | that page is pretty much blank |
| 02:28.26 | keko_ | :D |
| 02:28.38 | jcole | Bonkers: it's saying that packages will be removed |
| 02:28.51 | Bonkers | what is? |
| 02:29.01 | Bonkers | that page that supposedly lists why, just says, it isn't there, because it isn't there |
| 02:29.09 | Sixshoot | Bonkers: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
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| 02:29.29 | Bonkers | I understand I can download nad compile them myself |
| 02:29.41 | Sixshoot | Sorry wasn't here for that part of the discussion |
| 02:29.49 | EdLin | Bonkers: that's all most distros offer. |
| 02:29.55 | Sixshoot | What's the problem though? |
| 02:30.01 | jcole | wow, nvidia has solaris drivers |
| 02:31.26 | Bonkers | EdLin: they seem to be in ubuntu and gentoo, the only others I've used recently |
| 02:31.42 | jcole | Bonkers: suse just recently removed nvidia and ati drivers from their distro due to the pain of proprietary drivers |
| 02:31.54 | EdLin | Bonkers: they aren't in Red Hat or Fedora or Slackware or SuSE |
| 02:32.07 | Bonkers | I really don't understand that philosophy |
| 02:32.16 | Bonkers | I thought linux is trying to gain mass acceptance, not mass hate |
| 02:32.35 | jcole | uh oh |
| 02:32.40 | EdLin | Bonkers: I didn't know not including unsupportable software in a distributrion was "hate" |
| 02:32.55 | Bonkers | you changed my words around there |
| 02:33.02 | Bonkers | I said users will hate linux when it doesn't work |
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| 02:33.08 | Bonkers | and clearly it's not unsupportable |
| 02:33.19 | EdLin | Bonkers: the "nv" driver works fine, even has some 2d acceleration. |
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| 02:33.50 | Bonkers | that doesn't sound like fine to me |
| 02:33.54 | EdLin | Bonkers: even generic Windows doesn't include all drivers, in fact less than Linux often. |
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| 02:34.15 | EdLin | Bonkers: unless you want to run certain games, "nv" is enough. |
| 02:34.19 | Bonkers | I guess you have a point there |
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| 02:35.52 | jcole | Bonkers: in windows language, installing proprietary drivers to an open source OS is like installing windows 98 drivers in vista |
| 02:35.59 | Bonkers | now why isn't there a linux-image.2.6.17-2-k7-smp? when I try to compile the NVIDIA driver from the site, it complains my kernel was built with gcc 4.0 and I have gcc 4.1 |
| 02:36.27 | EdLin | Bonkers: now you've got something to complain about ;-) |
| 02:36.44 | Sixshoot | Ah, I remember going through that |
| 02:37.06 | Bonkers | I assume the 2.6.17 images were built with 4.1 |
| 02:37.13 | Bonkers | but taht's just a blind assumption |
| 02:37.24 | jcole | Bonkers: cat /proc/version |
| 02:37.26 | Bonkers | can I easily install gcc-4.0 alongside gcc-4.1? |
| 02:37.44 | EdLin | Bonkers: yes |
| 02:37.50 | eldowan | Bonkers: they both are probably there now |
| 02:38.01 | Bonkers | they're not, gcc-4.0 is installing now |
| 02:38.12 | Bonkers | how do I switch the symlinks? |
| 02:38.19 | eldowan | Bonkers: you can try appending CC=4.0 or something like that to the nvidia command |
| 02:38.40 | eldowan | Bonkers: If that doesnt work, /usr/bin/gcc is just a symlink to /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 or somthing similar |
| 02:38.44 | EdLin | Bonkers: CC=gcc-4.0, and prepending is the answer rather than appending |
| 02:39.04 | EdLin | eldowan: sorry :/ |
| 02:39.07 | eldowan | EdLin: Thanks for the clarification. I didn't even realize that I wrote appending |
| 02:39.11 | eldowan | :) |
| 02:39.21 | jcole | CC=gcc-4.0 ilovehoney.bin |
| 02:39.21 | Bonkers | I'll try taht, I'm guessing that nvidia program isn't going ot pick up environment varaibles |
| 02:39.38 | EdLin | Bonkers: it should... |
| 02:39.43 | Bonkers | I guess it did |
| 02:39.56 | Bonkers | I just figured they've got that funky ncurses GUI and it was going to affect that |
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| 02:40.24 | Bonkers | ah, there we go |
| 02:40.25 | chuckyp | Anyone know of a good system monitor for gnome something like conky etc... that can be docked on the desktop? |
| 02:40.47 | jetscreamer | they have applets for that |
| 02:40.59 | abrotman | gdesklets |
| 02:41.00 | Bonkers | gkrellm? |
| 02:41.08 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 02:41.16 | jetscreamer | gdesklets |
| 02:41.20 | jetscreamer | gkrellem too |
| 02:41.24 | EdLin | run top in a xterminal :-) |
| 02:41.30 | abrotman | roottail! |
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| 02:41.42 | EdLin | yeah, rootail in a transparent term rocks |
| 02:41.44 | chuckyp | Bonkers, yeah I'm not to happy with gkrellm at the moment thats why i'm looking |
| 02:41.46 | Bonkers | top uses too much CPU |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | use watch ? |
| 02:42.00 | EdLin | Bonkers: so do a lot of applets |
| 02:42.02 | chuckyp | gdesklets has a monitor for desktop? |
| 02:42.03 | Bonkers | I just use dockapps in windowmaker myself, I know you can use them in KDE too, dunno about gnome though |
| 02:42.27 | chuckyp | Yeah thats the problem there really ins't a good just text based desktop monitor for gnome. |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | http://gdesklets.org/ |
| 02:44.03 | chuckyp | abrotman, cool I'll check it out |
| 02:44.13 | abrotman | whatever happened to the cooking duck CPU monitor ? |
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| 02:45.16 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 02:45.25 | abrotman | no? |
| 02:45.38 | jetscreamer | you may have to install the additional desklets/applets package |
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| 02:45.47 | kuin | hi |
| 02:45.49 | jetscreamer | there's a couple |
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| 02:46.17 | kuin | how can i untar and gzip a lot of files? |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | for loop! |
| 02:46.35 | kuin | tar -xfvz *.tar.gz dont work |
| 02:46.54 | Bonkers | ls -1 *tar.gz | xargs -i tar zxvf {} |
| 02:47.03 | michael117 | What's a good program I can use (in the repo) that allows me to record a video of what is going on with my screen so I can make a video of compiz in action for my friend? |
| 02:47.15 | jond3rd | is it safe to upgrade between versions? (i.e woody to sarge) ? |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | !info istanbul |
| 02:47.20 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 376 kB |
| 02:47.20 | EdLin | kuin: note that the "f" flag may need to be the last argument to tar |
| 02:47.26 | abrotman | !tell jond3rd about woody->sarge |
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| 02:47.39 | kuin | EdLin, thanks |
| 02:47.48 | EdLin | kuin: np |
| 02:48.24 | michael117 | Thanks! |
| 02:48.26 | abrotman | EdLin: you ruined my life! |
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| 02:49.11 | EdLin | abrotman: I remember the bad old days when you couldn't use "-" and had to pipe things with compress to make compressed tars. |
| 02:49.13 | kuin | Bonkers, thanks!" |
| 02:49.22 | mischko | What's the apt command to fetch only security updates? |
| 02:49.42 | EdLin | well, actually you could use "-", but not to signal options. :-) |
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| 02:49.49 | abrotman | EdLin: hehe |
| 02:51.39 | EdLin | abrotman: if you want to revisit those halcyon days there's always Solaris |
| 02:51.55 | keith80403 | mischko, Back up the /etc/apt/sources.list file, create a new one with only this line in it: |
| 02:51.57 | abrotman | EdLin: uhm .. they have lots of GNU tools now |
| 02:51.59 | keith80403 | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib |
| 02:52.04 | michael117 | abrotman: It records into ogg theora though, any way to change that? |
| 02:52.13 | EdLin | abrotman: do they have gtar now? |
| 02:52.20 | abrotman | michael117: uhm ... nfc .. never used it |
| 02:52.27 | abrotman | EdLin: somewhere on the system :) |
| 02:52.27 | keith80403 | Then run "sudo aptitude update" or, become the root user, and run "aptitude update" |
| 02:52.59 | EdLin | abrotman: that's another thing, the amount of trouble that you have to go through to have a proper $PATH |
| 02:53.32 | mischko | keith80403, thank. I've only ever run apt, not aptitude. Would apt-get upgrade to the same trick or is aptitude better? |
| 02:54.12 | abrotman | EdLin: no way .. it's there now! |
| 02:54.24 | keith80403 | mischko, I've seen comments that aptitude is a little better, but apt-get update will work better. UPGRADE is different than UPDATE - beware. |
| 02:54.29 | EdLin | abrotman: Solaris 10 or OpenSolaris? |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | EdLin: sol8 was a wreck .. i think they fixed it after that |
| 02:55.08 | EdLin | abrotman: yeah, Solaris 10 is halfway-decent. I haven't played with OpenSolaris... |
| 02:55.08 | mischko | keith80403, right. I just UPDATE'd to get a new list of available packages. UPGRADE tells me that libsasl12 and friends will be "held back". Why? |
| 02:55.33 | mischko | keith80403, s/held back/kept back |
| 02:55.35 | eldowan | I thought there was a way to specify the sources.list file for apt-get or aptitude to use... That would eleminate the need for constant re-naming of files. |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | EdLin: pull your pants down .. wait a bit |
| 02:55.46 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 02:55.52 | EdLin | abrotman: hehe |
| 02:56.00 | abrotman | eldowan: oh .. wait .. i misread |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | or not |
| 02:56.21 | keith80403 | mischko, Some sort of unmet dependency, the experts here will know exactly why, or, google for that exact message. |
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| 02:56.52 | mischko | keith80403, thanks. I'm googling. If any experts can speak to the issue, please chime in. |
| 02:57.13 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:57.13 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:57.28 | abrotman | !tell mischko about held back |
| 02:58.02 | mischko | abrotman, tanks. |
| 02:58.10 | abrotman | butter! |
| 02:59.11 | keith80403 | mischko, If you just want security updates, then you'll want to use the UPDATE command |
| 02:59.47 | mischko | keith80403, apt-get simply reads the package lists. |
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| 03:00.55 | dendrite | mischko: One trick is to apt-get install <held-back-package>, and read what will happen if you say yes to go forward. |
| 03:01.15 | dendrite | mischko: Other option, more orthodox, is to check BTS. |
| 03:01.21 | mischko | dendrite, BTS? |
| 03:01.29 | dendrite | mischko: Bug Tracking System. |
| 03:01.50 | dendrite | !bts |
| 03:01.50 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:02.00 | mischko | dendrite, it has a dependency in one package on another that's not available with the very brief sources file. |
| 03:02.25 | dendrite | mischko: That's the usual reason for a hold-back. |
| 03:02.45 | tuv | mischko, is that stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 03:02.47 | mischko | dendrite, I'm working to get the dependency met then I'll try things out again. Here's hoping I don't break anything. |
| 03:03.01 | dendrite | mischko: Don't force stuff! Good luck. |
| 03:03.04 | mischko | tuv, it's a mixed system unfortunately. I didn't learn about "backports" until it was too late. |
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| 03:03.15 | dendrite | mischko: Ewww. |
| 03:03.17 | mischko | I'll reinstall in due time and clean it all up. |
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| 03:03.34 | mischko | Things are working well now so I'm "floating". |
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| 03:03.37 | tuv | mischko, then held back packages are normal. they'll probably resolve themselves in a few days |
| 03:03.40 | dendrite | mischko: What flavors are mixed together? |
| 03:03.50 | mischko | dendrite, testing and stable. |
| 03:03.56 | nocti_ | hello. what's the difference between apt-get update and aptitude update |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | !flametrhower |
| 03:04.04 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 03:04.05 | dpkg | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 03:04.06 | dendrite | mischko: Ah. Another option, not too bad, is to just go to testing. |
| 03:04.10 | tuv | mischko, for a complete list of alternative solutions though, try aptitude interactively. it'll present you with all ways to go around it |
| 03:04.32 | dendrite | I really need to get up to speed with aptitude. |
| 03:04.38 | tuv | nocti_, nothing |
| 03:04.57 | dendrite | I mean, running apt-get dist-upgrade has it's charms, but... |
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| 03:05.21 | nocti_ | tuv, but doing apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing, says everything is new. but aptitude dist-upgrade installs alot of things |
| 03:05.23 | mischko | tuv ok. |
| 03:05.29 | tuv | mischko, consider apt-pinning if you are sure you want both testing and unstable |
| 03:06.09 | tuv | nocti_, you asked about UPDATE earlier.. don't cheat me :) |
| 03:06.09 | mischko | tuv, I'm not using unstable. |
| 03:06.14 | mischko | stable & testing. |
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| 03:06.25 | abrotman | that's unstable :) |
| 03:06.36 | nocti_ | tuv :) ok, so what's the difference between apt-get dist-upgrade and aptitude dist-upgrade? sorry :) |
| 03:06.38 | mischko | But I just told it to get libsqlite0 (which is the dependency) and it wants to upgrade about 50 packages. :( |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | that's what happens when you mix |
| 03:07.38 | mischko | Ok. I'll leave it sit until I can do a clean reinstall. I don't have time to wade through all this right now. |
| 03:08.50 | tuv | nocti_, aptitude tries harder to work around conflicts, sometimes too hard. if aptitude's default suggestion is confusing for you, go with apt-get. otherwise run aptitude interactively and go through the alternative resolutions it presents to you |
| 03:09.10 | minerale | ok, so I'm in an odd position, I have a system I need to backup, but It does not have enough free space for me to tar it, nor do I have enough bandwith to be able to scp the entire system, is there some way I could transfer it gzipped directly on a remote system ? |
| 03:09.38 | abrotman | netcat! |
| 03:09.51 | tuv | mischko, stable and (testing|unstable) is not a good idea any way. it defeats the purpose of using stable |
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| 03:11.34 | tuv | oops.. i was a little too late :\ |
| 03:11.42 | tenzing_ | hi ... does the debian repository have the amara python xml toolkit? |
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| 03:12.23 | abrotman | stoned: http://cgi.ebay.com/1928-Gibson-Florentine-Custom-Vintage-Guitar-IMPORTANT_W0QQitemZ120024277245QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33025QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 03:17.36 | Dewi | tuv: oh? |
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| 03:18.09 | findme | i luv debian, but switched to centos for Oracle reason(s). But apt-rox. |
| 03:18.14 | tuv | oftc's debian has a long way to go :) |
| 03:18.34 | abrotman | tuv: is it the love i bring? |
| 03:18.44 | findme | who ever designed apt, long live his brain. |
| 03:19.23 | tuv | i don't thing i ever felt love around a debian channel |
| 03:19.24 | abrotman | apt: what does findme pay you for? |
| 03:19.31 | apt | normally findme insists on genital shaving, abrotman, but I've really had enough... |
| 03:19.31 | abrotman | apt: hi |
| 03:19.31 | apt | what's up |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:19.55 | findme | apt, tell abrotman kindness is not paid for |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:20.11 | abrotman | findme: i believe there's an apt team |
| 03:20.26 | findme | abrotman, abrotman++ you are good 2 my friend. |
| 03:20.28 | abrotman | !maint apt |
| 03:20.32 | dpkg | apt: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org> |
| 03:21.02 | findme | !seen greycat |
| 03:21.02 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 21d 9h 34m 6s ago, saying: 'man apt-get'. |
| 03:21.07 | fluvvell | wow, in the presence of deity |
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| 03:21.48 | findme | well rpm sux big time but something that I have to live with because of Oracle. |
| 03:22.21 | tuv | findme, is it because of commercial support or doen't it work at all? |
| 03:23.15 | findme | tuv, because of RAC, so far there has been no article whatsoever on Oracle Rac Debain. There is one a very famous one by Jeff Hunter on Rac+Oracle+Centos hence the madness. |
| 03:24.37 | TweedleDumb | anyone know how to get /dev/tcp/$host/$port enabled for bash in debian? |
| 03:24.42 | tenzing_ | can i install amara in debian? |
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| 03:24.49 | tuv | findme, that would be nice to explore, given enough time :) |
| 03:25.16 | findme | tuv, true, I do have time but can't document it too much effort. |
| 03:25.56 | Firestarter | is it possible to mount a samba share in linux |
| 03:26.08 | tuv | findme, come on man.. you'll be remembered.. |
| 03:26.12 | Will_ | What is a good security policy to write an essay(2 pages) about?(Something silly but real) |
| 03:26.51 | findme | tuv, i wish bud. but someone like www.togaware.com have to jump in. |
| 03:27.19 | dendrite | Will_: Password design, aging, and the art of sticking post-it notes under the keyboard to remember 'em all. |
| 03:27.54 | dendrite | Will_: That's password aging, of course. Not CRS aging. |
| 03:28.56 | tuv | Firestarter, of cours |
| 03:28.57 | tuv | e |
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| 03:33.02 | doublehp | are there known "gain root acces" attacs against 2.2.20 ? |
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| 03:35.25 | Firestarter | tuv: like this "mount -t smbfs //robert/EXPORT/ /mnt/export" ? |
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| 03:39.25 | Will_ | doublehp: probably |
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| 03:43.53 | n3kl | hello |
| 03:44.04 | Will_ | dendrite: I need a specific corporation/company.(I need to see their security policy) |
| 03:44.06 | Will_ | !greet n3kl |
| 03:44.06 | dpkg | Nihao, n3kl |
| 03:44.25 | dendrite | Will_: Google? |
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| 03:45.21 | Will_ | dendrite: eh, their security policy is probably private and it's probably 5000 pages. |
| 03:45.40 | Will_ | My target is 2 pages for my paper |
| 03:45.56 | dendrite | Will_: No, I mean google for a security policy. |
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| 03:46.17 | Will_ | o, heh |
| 03:46.19 | dendrite | Will_: As in, "Security Policy Confidential" :-) |
| 03:46.21 | Will_ | yea, I have been |
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| 03:46.26 | Will_ | I can't think of anything good |
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| 03:46.47 | n3kl | So...my gentoo installation is crashing and I need to reinstall. In the past I have run Slackware, FreeBSD, Fedora and now Gentoo for a while. I am pretty well versed is linux, so I can lean fast. What I want to know is: how will debian run on my AMD64 Laptop and why should I run Debian over another distro? Anybody have any thoughts on the subject? |
| 03:48.08 | Will_ | n3kl: no one is going to convince you to run debian, most people in here probably don't care. |
| 03:48.16 | Will_ | n3kl: Run whatever distribution of GNU/Linux you want. |
| 03:48.16 | clocker | heh |
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| 03:49.22 | sergino | hello |
| 03:49.23 | n3kl | Will_: I have a secific reason for running Gentoo right now, Portage and Documentation. Are there some cool features or something that I should know about prior to getting half way through a configure system? |
| 03:50.38 | clocker | just stability.. that's cool |
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| 03:51.15 | Will_ | n3kl: eh, I always thought of portage as pointless. You can apt-get build-dep package; apt-get source package; |
| 03:51.24 | Will_ | So you can compile anything on debian just as you could on Gentoo |
| 03:51.41 | stew | n3kl: debian will run on your amd64. you would have the choice of running it either 32 or 64 bit. |
| 03:51.44 | stew | n3kl: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 03:53.12 | n3kl | Will_: I prefer to compile packages locally for sure. Also, is the 64 bit stable? People who use Debian swear by it and I guess I just want to know why. |
| 03:54.01 | dendrite | n3kl: Based on your list of what you've tried, Debian will be different mainly because of it's excellent ability to handle and resolve package dependencies. |
| 03:54.40 | n3kl | Gentoo also seems to be under high development. Whereas when I was running slackware, everything that you need was there, so long as you did not want all the fancy applications, even then you could compile them and install, but you were lucky to get a new software release every minth. |
| 03:54.43 | dendrite | n3kl: You'll find it contrasts considerably with Slak and Fedora. |
| 03:55.09 | dendrite | n3kl: Debian etch is pretty recent stuff. |
| 03:55.13 | n3kl | Personally, I thought Fedora was for Windows admins looking to start with linux |
| 03:55.22 | maher | n3kl: debian has stable releases every couple of years whether you need to update any software or not! |
| 03:55.38 | dendrite | n3kl: You owe it to yourself to try an apt-based Linux distro. |
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| 03:56.25 | n3kl | dendrite: I only used apt in the context of slapt-get, so as far as I understand, it is just the packaging system. Right, or isthere more to it? |
| 03:56.35 | maher | n3kl: policy! |
| 03:56.49 | dendrite | n3kl: But beyond that, Will_ is right, probably nobody here really cares, so It's not like anybody is going to try to convince you. But you do seem to be asking reasonably specific, non-trolling type questions. |
| 03:57.02 | dendrite | n3kl: It's the packaging management system, yes. |
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| 03:57.32 | dendrite | n3kl: Another thing that sets Debian apart is the adherence to rather stricter Free Software Guidelines. |
| 03:57.40 | maher | n3kl: its not really the package management system its the fact that packages in the archive are meant to play nice with each other, i.e. conform to policy |
| 03:57.42 | n3kl | dendrite: I am not looking to be convinced, and I am the same way, I don't care what other people are running, so..meh |
| 03:57.54 | dendrite | n3kl: Which means you really can run Debian in a pure free software mode. |
| 03:58.17 | AlinuxOS | hello all, can I ask you who is unifont package mantainer ? |
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| 03:58.35 | dendrite | n3kl: So, Debian is about apt, which has powerful dependency resolution, and free-as-in-freedom, which is underrated most days... |
| 03:58.43 | dondelelcaro | !+maint unifont |
| 03:58.50 | dpkg | unifont: Debian QA Group <packages@qa.debian.org> |
| 03:58.55 | dondelelcaro | AlinuxOS: see above |
| 03:58.56 | maher | n3kl: if you install enough random debs from non debian sources stuff won't work... i run debian primarily because stable upgrades in place with remarkably small amounts of breakage |
| 03:59.43 | n3kl | Ok, cool. I think I am going to get the minimal installation and try to beer through it |
| 04:00.21 | dendrite | n3kl: netinstall would be the best way to go for the install. |
| 04:00.24 | AlinuxOS | dondelelcaro, there is very ugly georgian fonts in unifont so I would like to correct them. |
| 04:00.25 | n3kl | Oh, and one other thing. How are startup scripts resolved. Are they links, are they executable, is it handled by a utility? |
| 04:00.34 | txgrease | n3kl: as someone thats used linux for years but is new to Debian I have to say I am impressed with Debian overall |
| 04:00.57 | maher | n3kl: sysvinit - symlinks from rc?.d in to init.d update-rc.d to handle the symlinks |
| 04:00.58 | dendrite | n3kl: /etc/init.d/ has scripts, and /etc/rcN.d/ contains links to the scripts. Default runlevel is 2. |
| 04:01.09 | dondelelcaro | AlinuxOS: right, your best bet is to get the source, and fix them... the maintainer is set to QA, so that usually means that the package has been orphaned |
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| 04:01.33 | dendrite | n3kl: There is also /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 04:01.33 | elif | hi folks. I have a question about keyboard layouts. When we are using an X server, the keymaps can differ from the keymaps loaded by the "loadkeys" program (that run at startup) ? |
| 04:01.35 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: the more complete answer is that it depends; the default is sysv-rc, but you can use file-rc if you'd like. |
| 04:01.36 | stew | dondelelcaro: usually means or always means? |
| 04:01.46 | AlinuxOS | dondelelcaro, thank you ;) |
| 04:02.01 | dondelelcaro | stew: as in "I can't think of an exception right now, but there probably is one" |
| 04:02.06 | stew | right |
| 04:02.35 | dondelelcaro | elif: yes. |
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| 04:02.38 | dendrite | n3kl: Utility for handling init scripts does exist, but lots of folks just manage 'em by hand. |
| 04:03.19 | n3kl | dendrite: I would prefer it that way |
| 04:03.40 | dondelelcaro | elif: you can pick keyboard layouts using xkbsel or xkeycaps, xmodmap, etc. |
| 04:03.40 | elif | dodelelcaro: How do I know what keymaps file that my X server are using ? |
| 04:03.50 | n3kl | Ok, cool. Thanks for all the insight! |
| 04:03.55 | dondelelcaro | elif: the default is in your Xorg.conf |
| 04:04.24 | dondelelcaro | elif: xmodmap -pk; and xmodmap -pm; will tell you exactly what the map is... |
| 04:05.00 | elif | dondelelcaro: thks |
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| 04:06.30 | Sixshoot | how do you switch between the remote desktop and your desktop in "Remote Desktop" that comes with the edge install? |
| 04:06.40 | Sixshoot | haha. I'm stuck in full screen |
| 04:07.12 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: you may also find a talk I gave a BALUG moderately informative: http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ss/balug_talk.pdf |
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| 04:07.30 | dendrite | Sixshoot: For some random reason, F8 comes to mind. |
| 04:07.50 | _priest | when configuring pxe boot in dhcpd.conf defining a group { hardware ethernet addr } is that of the dhcp server or the client you are trying to pxe? |
| 04:08.39 | _priest | or do i need to know the mac addr of the clients connecting at all just that of the server mac addr? |
| 04:09.00 | Sixshoot | F8 definitely not working |
| 04:09.50 | enouf | f11 maybe ? |
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| 04:10.36 | Sixshoot | Negative on the F11 too |
| 04:11.11 | dondelelcaro | some things use alt-enter to switch back and forth too, but I've never used remote desktop before... |
| 04:11.40 | enouf | okie - I was thinking browser - I missed the etch installer remote info |
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| 04:11.42 | Sixshoot | ah alt+ctrl+enter switched modes |
| 04:11.51 | Sixshoot | in case anyone runs across that problem :/ |
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| 04:12.47 | jetscreamer | so why isn't udev making my joystick stuff in /dev |
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| 04:13.07 | jetscreamer | i forgot udev was gay that way |
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| 04:16.25 | jetscreamer | so don't everybody type at once |
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| 04:18.22 | enouf | jetscreamer: usb or midi type port? |
| 04:18.35 | jetscreamer | usb |
| 04:18.43 | jetscreamer | it works fine w/o udev |
| 04:19.01 | jetscreamer | everything it needs is there and configured properly |
| 04:19.12 | jetscreamer | cept /dev/js0...1... |
| 04:19.23 | enouf | on another box that's using hotplug? |
| 04:19.29 | jetscreamer | this box |
| 04:20.06 | jetscreamer | works w/o udev, doesn't with.. the /dev nodes aren't there |
| 04:20.28 | jetscreamer | usual;ly i just apt-get install joystick and wa-lah |
| 04:20.42 | jetscreamer | no 'joy' atm |
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| 04:21.19 | jetscreamer | iirc that's one reason i didn't like udev when it came into sid |
| 04:21.44 | jetscreamer | i've been doing w/o |
| 04:22.17 | jetscreamer | w/o udev i mean |
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| 04:22.58 | kryptoz | Hi all |
| 04:23.26 | enouf | jetscreamer: guessing - shouldn't it be listed under /dev/input since the sudo modprobe -l | grep joy output shows input devices |
| 04:24.16 | jetscreamer | KERNEL=="js[0-9]*",NAME="input/%k" |
| 04:24.50 | jetscreamer | you're right |
| 04:24.52 | jetscreamer | it's there |
| 04:25.02 | jetscreamer | shame the program has to guess eh |
| 04:25.05 | jetscreamer | wtg though |
| 04:25.13 | enouf | hehe |
| 04:25.13 | jetscreamer | i guess i could symlink it |
| 04:25.31 | jetscreamer | udev is weird |
| 04:25.45 | enouf | yes indeed |
| 04:25.48 | jetscreamer | it's mounted eh... if i symlink it will go away |
| 04:25.55 | jetscreamer | on reboot |
| 04:26.05 | jetscreamer | if it works.. should though |
| 04:26.23 | jetscreamer | or i could 'edit' these rules... |
| 04:26.35 | enouf | right ... I'd think |
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| 04:30.54 | n3kl | is debian using modular xorg? |
| 04:30.56 | jetscreamer | think i'll edit this line and see what happens |
| 04:30.58 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:31.06 | jetscreamer | it's not in sarge yet |
| 04:31.09 | jetscreamer | but it's in etch |
| 04:31.15 | jetscreamer | it won't be in sarge doh |
| 04:31.20 | n3kl | What is etch? |
| 04:31.23 | jetscreamer | there is no yet |
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| 04:31.36 | jetscreamer | testing version... it will be going into the 'stable' slot soon |
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| 04:31.54 | jetscreamer | sid is the unstable version... and stays there |
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| 04:32.42 | jetscreamer | i'm gonna take " input/ " out and see |
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| 04:42.00 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 04:42.27 | jetscreamer | udev... so nice, so tidy... so FUCKED |
| 04:42.28 | enouf | yay? |
| 04:42.34 | jetscreamer | yeah worked great |
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| 04:42.40 | enouf | nay :-=( |
| 04:42.43 | jetscreamer | actually i kinda like udev |
| 04:42.51 | Capso | Is there a STEAM Linux Client Debian package? |
| 04:42.55 | enouf | aha ... |
| 04:42.55 | jetscreamer | cept for stuf like that |
| 04:42.57 | Capso | Anyone know of any? |
| 04:43.20 | jetscreamer | i know steam all versions runs in wine, and i could swear i heard of a linux client but i forget |
| 04:43.24 | Will_ | Capso: no there is no such thing |
| 04:43.28 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:43.33 | Capso | Will_: Gah. |
| 04:43.37 | jetscreamer | wine |
| 04:43.42 | Capso | Will_: Know where I can get the STEAM Linux Client, then? |
| 04:43.43 | jetscreamer | winehq.org |
| 04:43.48 | Capso | Do I NEED Wine? |
| 04:43.55 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 04:44.00 | kryptoz | cedega |
| 04:44.00 | Capso | Gentoo has non-Wine version. |
| 04:44.03 | jetscreamer | i know winehq says it works |
| 04:44.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:44.18 | jetscreamer | i've never run wine though |
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| 04:45.20 | Capso | http://www.steampowered.com/download/hldsupdatetool.bin |
| 04:45.28 | Capso | Not a gamer, so don't know... |
| 04:45.30 | Capso | Is Half-Life CS? |
| 04:45.44 | Capso | A version of Counter Strike, or a game all on its own? |
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| 04:53.29 | Capso | Ah. I get it. |
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| 05:01.47 | dn4 | i heard pacifica is going to merge with msnbc, creating PMS-NBC |
| 05:02.03 | spartako | como puedo saber en que particion esta instalado el grub en mi equipo ??? |
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| 05:06.13 | benjamindees | !es |
| 05:06.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:07.11 | spartako | dpkg, ok sorry |
| 05:07.12 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
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| 05:23.34 | ar | what should i do if /var/lib/dpkg/status is damaged? help! |
| 05:23.42 | Dewi | ar: PANIC |
| 05:23.47 | Dewi | ... actually, I don't know. |
| 05:23.52 | Dewi | but it's a good first step!@ |
| 05:25.05 | ar | that's terrible, i can not update |
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| 05:31.51 | enouf | ar: how damaged ? I seem to have a status-old file also |
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| 05:37.39 | s0| | anyone got ideas why I keep having to use the netinst disk and reinstall grub from time to time... |
| 05:37.46 | jmd | It there a package to do speech synthesis of web pages. |
| 05:39.05 | jair | hello guys... |
| 05:39.33 | jair | if I want to use debian as a gatway between two networks I will be able of do NAT? |
| 05:40.59 | benjamindees2 | yes Debian can do NAT |
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| 05:42.07 | benjamindees2 | jmd, probably depends on your browser |
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| 05:42.47 | fyrestrtr | after quite a struggle, I finally managed to get debian installed :) |
| 05:42.54 | benjamindees2 | unless that would be in lieu of a browser? |
| 05:43.05 | jmd | benjamindees2: I'm browser agnostic. I'll use anyone which comes with Debian. |
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| 05:43.29 | fyrestrtr | is upgrading from stable to testing just a matter of changes the sources list, and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:44.32 | jmd | fyrestrtr: In theory, yes. |
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| 05:45.27 | pinky_ | How do I change my "CC" environment variable to say gcc 4.0? |
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| 05:45.52 | fyrestrtr | gnome-panel-data would not install for me, complained about syntax errors in parsing files. So when I started gnome, my panel had nothing on it :( |
| 05:47.07 | deadcat | my firefox font (webpage and property) are small as fuck. what do i do to make it look like before? i AM using 2.0 beta from expermeintal but that shouldnt be the problem. i had this problem before.... |
| 05:47.14 | fyrestrtr | pinky_: export CC=/path/to/version4/gcc ? |
| 05:47.44 | jmd | pinky: Which shell? |
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| 05:49.14 | pinky_ | fyrestrtr: Ah, okay excellent... |
| 05:49.17 | pinky_ | jmd: Bash |
| 05:49.30 | pinky_ | So I need the path of the GCC 4.0 binary |
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| 05:49.40 | pinky_ | apt-file show gcc-4.0 would tell me? |
| 05:49.42 | roler | there is this option in vim that highlights the matching parenthesis or {} ... does anyone know what it is so I can turn it off?? |
| 05:49.48 | Capso | Hey for some reason... at random times, the sound stops working... |
| 05:49.52 | Capso | AC'97... |
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| 05:49.56 | jmd | pinky_: export CC=`which gcc-4.0` |
| 05:50.21 | Capso | I find out that evince is using /dev/dsp... stop it, and try again... |
| 05:50.23 | pinky_ | jmd: And the pathname to gcc 4.0 can be found...? |
| 05:50.28 | Capso | And then all I get is static... |
| 05:50.29 | Capso | Any ideas? |
| 05:50.37 | jmd | pinky_: Like I said: which gcc-4.0 |
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| 05:50.43 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 05:50.44 | jonaskoelker | the pxeboot installation dhclient is wonky: according to my syslog on Charity, Faith sends DHCPDISCOVER and Charity replies with DHCPOFFER (as per my manual allocation), yet Faith doesn't seem to pick up on the DHCPOFFERs. When I run knoppix on Faith, it all "Just Works". How do I get Faith to react on the DHCPOFFERS and actually take them? |
| 05:50.57 | Master_Medic | does anyoen know how to mount a sd usb stick??? i've asked in like 3 channels and no one seems to know |
| 05:51.13 | pinky_ | jmd: Oh, really? You mean I should type that in exactly? Even the "CC='which gcc-4.0'" part? |
| 05:51.16 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: it it detected? |
| 05:51.23 | Master_Medic | i do fdisk -l and it shows up at /dev/sda1 so i try to mount to /media/usbdrive but it says u need to specify the filesystem type |
| 05:51.25 | fyrestrtr | err, is it detected? |
| 05:51.35 | Master_Medic | yeah |
| 05:51.43 | Master_Medic | but it says i need filesystem type |
| 05:51.45 | jmd | Yes . |
| 05:51.47 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: try vfat |
| 05:51.57 | Master_Medic | what does that do? |
| 05:52.00 | jmd | pinky_: The quotes are backquotes |
| 05:52.01 | Capso | Meh. |
| 05:52.06 | Capso | None of you is going to listen. |
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| 05:52.09 | benjamindees2 | Master_Medic, mount -tvfat /dev/sda1 /media/usbdrive |
| 05:52.15 | Master_Medic | oh ok |
| 05:52.25 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: space between -t and vfat |
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| 05:52.32 | Master_Medic | cant read superblock |
| 05:52.42 | glick | excuse me does anyone have any experience with djbdns? |
| 05:52.50 | benjamindees2 | Master_Medic, is it a new usb stick? |
| 05:52.53 | jonaskoelker | meh... nevermind, it all Just Works with "boot: linux26"... :| |
| 05:52.56 | Master_Medic | no its been used before |
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| 05:52.59 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: what does fdisk -l tell you about the file system? |
| 05:53.04 | Master_Medic | says FAT16 |
| 05:53.05 | glick | i have more of a general networking question then a debian one, but i figure there might be experts in this room |
| 05:53.08 | glick | err channel |
| 05:53.20 | pinky_ | jdm: I don't think that worked. Can I not just put the pathname to my GCC 4.0 binary? |
| 05:53.27 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: try just -t fat |
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| 05:53.50 | Master_Medic | mount -t fat /dev/sda1 /media/usbdrive |
| 05:53.51 | optraz | hello, is debian supported box with itanium 2 proc? |
| 05:53.52 | jmd | pinky_: (Sigh) what happens if you type "which gcc-4.0" ? |
| 05:54.12 | fyrestrtr | pinky_: type updatedb, then which gcc |
| 05:54.18 | Master_Medic | unknown filesystem type 'fat' maybe you meant 'vfat'? |
| 05:54.26 | benjamindees2 | he meant msdos |
| 05:54.35 | fyrestrtr | oh yeah :) |
| 05:54.36 | Master_Medic | when i tried with -t vfat it says cant read superblock |
| 05:54.38 | jmd | fyrestrtr: updatedb won't affect "which" in any way. |
| 05:54.55 | fyrestrtr | jmd: is that for find then? |
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| 05:55.05 | fyrestrtr | its for something, now I forgot which. |
| 05:55.08 | jmd | fyrestrtr: No. It's for locate. |
| 05:55.11 | fyrestrtr | ah locate |
| 05:55.19 | pinky_ | jdm: Yay! THanks! I put the pathname to the binary in $CC and it works now |
| 05:55.31 | jmd | pinky_: Good. |
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| 05:55.54 | pinky_ | Thanks! |
| 05:56.03 | jmd | np. |
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| 05:57.04 | fyrestrtr | if apt tells me that there is 1 package not installed complete or not removed, how do I find out what package it is? |
| 05:57.35 | fyrestrtr | 1 not fully installed or removed. <-- this is what I get |
| 05:57.47 | benjamindees2 | add a -v I think |
| 05:57.57 | benjamindees2 | or apt-get -f install |
| 05:58.09 | Master_Medic | any ideas? |
| 05:58.48 | benjamindees2 | you tried -tmsdos? |
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| 05:58.55 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: what happend with msdos? |
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| 05:59.14 | Master_Medic | fyrestrtr, what do you mean? |
| 05:59.37 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: what happened when you ran mount -t msdos /dev/sda1 /media/usbdrive |
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| 05:59.43 | Master_Medic | ohhi dont know |
| 06:00.01 | benjamindees2 | !clue Master_Medic |
| 06:00.04 | Master_Medic | cant read superblock |
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| 06:00.33 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: are you sure there is a sda1 ? |
| 06:00.36 | benjamindees2 | is it a usb2 controller? |
| 06:00.43 | Master_Medic | i'm not entirely sure |
| 06:00.50 | Master_Medic | its a sort of old laptop |
| 06:00.54 | benjamindees2 | what did fdisk -l say? multiple partitions? |
| 06:01.19 | Master_Medic | ummm |
| 06:01.27 | Master_Medic | i9ts kinda of weird |
| 06:01.35 | Master_Medic | sometimes it doesnt even show up with fdisk -l |
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| 06:01.37 | Master_Medic | and other times it does |
| 06:01.45 | benjamindees2 | fdisk -l /dev/sda |
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| 06:02.08 | Master_Medic | nothing this time |
| 06:02.08 | Master_Medic | ugh |
| 06:02.28 | fyrestrtr | sounds like hardware problems. |
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| 06:03.00 | benjamindees2 | log in as root and unplug the device and plug it back in and see what shows up on the screen |
| 06:03.11 | optraz | hello, is debian supported box with itanium 2 proc? |
| 06:03.31 | Master_Medic | um i'm on ubuntu and there is no root |
| 06:03.42 | benjamindees2 | !itanium |
| 06:03.42 | dpkg | it has been said that itanium is intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware |
| 06:03.48 | benjamindees2 | Master_Medic, /join #ubuntu |
| 06:03.55 | Master_Medic | i'm alrady there lol |
| 06:03.58 | Master_Medic | they dont help :/ |
| 06:04.08 | benjamindees2 | they offer paid help :) |
| 06:04.16 | Master_Medic | who doesnt |
| 06:04.26 | benjamindees2 | good question |
| 06:04.58 | Master_Medic | okay |
| 06:05.02 | Master_Medic | i'm looking at dmesg |
| 06:05.03 | optraz | mmm |
| 06:05.10 | optraz | so debian does not support itanium2 proc |
| 06:05.13 | Master_Medic | when i unplug it i got usb 1-1: USB disconnect, address 15 |
| 06:05.16 | dn4 | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 06:05.16 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.16 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.22 | dn4 | how do I get something to not remove this stuff? |
| 06:05.42 | fyrestrtr | dn4: don't remove that thing? |
| 06:05.55 | dn4 | oh feck |
| 06:06.04 | stranger_stone | lol |
| 06:06.08 | Master_Medic | when i plu git in it says new full speed SUB device using uhci_hcd and address 16 |
| 06:06.14 | dn4 | dpkg: initrd-tools: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you request: kernel-image-2.6.14-1-multimedia-386 depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.76). |
| 06:06.16 | Master_Medic | it found the vendor and the model and all that |
| 06:06.32 | Master_Medic | it says its putting it at sda1 |
| 06:06.36 | simonrvn | dn4: ^c it already |
| 06:06.47 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:06.47 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:07.01 | Master_Medic | now its saying there is errors on dev sda at sector 100442 |
| 06:07.03 | dn4 | any ides on how to fix this |
| 06:07.05 | Master_Medic | i/o error |
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| 06:07.07 | dn4 | oh jesus I am screwed |
| 06:07.13 | simonrvn | dn4: ^c it already |
| 06:07.15 | Master_Medic | then there are tons of buffer i/o errors on sda1 |
| 06:07.47 | Master_Medic | and end_request: I/o error, dev sda, sector ###### |
| 06:07.49 | Master_Medic | any ideas? |
| 06:08.02 | Master_Medic | maybe i can just put fat32 on it and reformat it? |
| 06:08.03 | vin` | tell them, bug them, pay them. |
| 06:08.11 | Master_Medic | how do i do that? |
| 06:08.18 | benjamindees2 | Master_Medic, yeah reformat it |
| 06:08.32 | Master_Medic | is it like mkfs2.fat32 /dev/sda1? |
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| 06:08.33 | Master_Medic | or wut? |
| 06:08.36 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: use gparted to format it. |
| 06:08.37 | benjamindees2 | fdisk /dev/sda |
| 06:08.53 | Master_Medic | unabel to read /dev/sda |
| 06:08.59 | Kevin` | gparted is a lot more then you need, but it would work |
| 06:09.11 | fyrestrtr | it also easier to use than fdisk. |
| 06:09.18 | Master_Medic | gparted it is :P |
| 06:09.20 | Kevin` | cfdisk is plenty easy to use |
| 06:09.52 | fyrestrtr | is the kernel bound to a particular debian release? |
| 06:10.13 | benjamindees2 | fyrestrtr, loosly |
| 06:10.49 | fyrestrtr | so if I'm not happy with the kernel on testing, can I build my own and this wouldn't break anything else, right? I'm using 2.4 right now. |
| 06:10.58 | john | http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/3398 <--- I have a USB Jump Drive issue. any help will be appreciated. |
| 06:11.27 | benjamindees2 | fyrestrtr, if you use the config file in /boot no it won't break much |
| 06:12.58 | Master_Medic | gparted gives me an error while setting new disk label |
| 06:13.49 | benjamindees2 | USB drives typically should be formatted in Linux before using them |
| 06:14.10 | Master_Medic | well its meant to be used in an MP3 player |
| 06:14.14 | Master_Medic | i just want to put songs on it lol |
| 06:14.16 | benjamindees2 | delete all the extraneous partitions and crap; make one partition that is vfat or ext2 |
| 06:14.40 | benjamindees2 | maybe write zeroes to it as well |
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| 06:15.33 | Master_Medic | hmmm |
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| 06:16.04 | simonrvn | dn4: then set them to install by apt-getting them (or using aptitude) |
| 06:16.08 | fyrestrtr | if you are going to use it in a player, format it as fat16, not ext2 |
| 06:16.09 | benjamindees | Master_Medic, until you can get fdisk -l /dev/sda to work you're screwed |
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| 06:16.24 | Master_Medic | umk |
| 06:16.29 | Master_Medic | well it was working earlier\ |
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| 06:18.59 | benjamindees | Master_Medic, you're using Ubuntu! you shouldn't even be asking questions here |
| 06:19.15 | benjamindees | your problem is related to their crappy kernel or some other thing not Debian related |
| 06:19.30 | insmod | Master_Medic: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:19.52 | benjamindees | he's trying to get his USB flash drive to work reliably |
| 06:20.19 | Master_Medic | well the same problem persists on debian |
| 06:21.07 | Master_Medic | oh okay |
| 06:21.11 | Master_Medic | i'm on debian and it shows up in fdisk -l |
| 06:21.12 | Master_Medic | :P |
| 06:21.13 | Master_Medic | guess not |
| 06:21.14 | Master_Medic | hahahah |
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| 06:21.25 | insmod | Master_Medic: look through dmesg find it and write an fstab for it like i do for my ipod |
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| 06:21.41 | Master_Medic | heh it works perfectly on debian |
| 06:21.44 | Master_Medic | what is up with that |
| 06:21.49 | Master_Medic | dmesg |
| 06:22.02 | benjamindees | Ubuntu uses new kernels that are untested, duh |
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| 06:22.08 | Master_Medic | ahh hic |
| 06:22.50 | fyrestrtr | why is it, that when apt is downloading a long list of packages, you can't install anything else? You have to wait, till everything is installed. |
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| 06:23.00 | TraceGreen | Hello, I have a wireless card and use ipw2200 as driver, and now, how can i get ip through dhcp? I don't know how to config wireless in linux, thanks! |
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| 06:23.13 | fyrestrtr | well, I know why, but there should be a way to install something while its downloading. |
| 06:23.44 | benjamindees | fyrestrtr, I think I've asked that question before and come to the conclusion that it's way more trouble than it's worth |
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| 06:24.23 | insmod | fyrestrtr: no because dpkg is in use |
| 06:25.08 | insmod | fyrestrtr: you can if you d/l manual so dpkg is not being used |
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| 06:30.25 | fyrestrtr | man I hope debian will be the distro I finally settle on. I'm tired of formatting my pc because of unstable packages and 'random freezes' that never happened on any other operating system (linux or windows) |
| 06:30.43 | fyrestrtr | BUT the install process for debian froze (twice) no apparent reason. |
| 06:30.55 | raj | i have a problem with otrs |
| 06:31.12 | fyrestrtr | then, it couldn't install gnome-panel-data ... so now I'm updating to latest testing to see if that helps. |
| 06:31.16 | raj | my mail r not coming to otrs |
| 06:31.29 | fyrestrtr | what is otrs? |
| 06:31.43 | raj | ticketing system |
| 06:31.50 | benjamindees | fyrestrtr, if you want a really stable system why don't you use Sarge? |
| 06:32.14 | fyrestrtr | I *am* using sarge right now. |
| 06:32.21 | fyrestrtr | it never installed correctly. |
| 06:32.25 | benjamindees | and you have random freezes? |
| 06:32.38 | fyrestrtr | yes, during the install process. |
| 06:32.46 | psycodad | fyrestrtr: then you're hardware has problems, try disabling some of the problem stuff like apic or so |
| 06:32.56 | tremor | fyrestrtr: do you use some exotic hwardware? |
| 06:33.01 | fyrestrtr | it froze when install gstreamer-0.8-gsm (whatever that is) and then it halted (twice) on updating scrollkeeper. |
| 06:33.14 | psycodad | im installing sarge via pxe all the day...never had a freeze, except dead or faulty hw |
| 06:33.20 | psycodad | try memtesting your box |
| 06:33.22 | benjamindees | apt-get install memtest86+; nano /boot/grub/menu.lst to edit out the memtest option; grub-update; reboot |
| 06:33.37 | raj | fetchmail is also working fyrestrtr: |
| 06:33.45 | psycodad | benjamindees: is it not on the install cd ? |
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| 06:33.53 | fyrestrtr | tremor: I wish I did. This could hardly be any exotic. I have a 2.8 P4, 512 RAM, 80 GB HDD, nvidia video card, fully supported network card. Very plain system. |
| 06:34.04 | benjamindees | it is but I'm not sure which one; it isn't installed automatically normally |
| 06:34.41 | fyrestrtr | raj: can you be a bit more specific? |
| 06:35.07 | fyrestrtr | psycodad: then, when installing sarge (using 3.1 netinstall cd), it coudn't install gnome-panel-data. |
| 06:35.15 | fyrestrtr | so when gnome finally started, I had a blank panel :| |
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| 06:35.33 | benjamindees | nforce chipsets had problems but I think even those are stable in Sarge |
| 06:35.36 | fyrestrtr | the reason it couldn't, because it could not parse some files (I suppose the setup files). |
| 06:35.49 | fyrestrtr | I'm on a VIA chipset, just the video card is nvidia. |
| 06:36.04 | fyrestrtr | I suspected hardware, so I stripped all the components, replaced them with new ones. Same story. |
| 06:36.05 | psycodad | maybe you can also try to burn another install cd if youre sure your box is 101% ok |
| 06:36.11 | raj | fyrestrtr: installed orts it working it using fetchmail to fetchmail from mail server but it is not showing on otrs screen |
| 06:36.14 | psycodad | memory too ? |
| 06:36.21 | tremor | fyrestrtr: did you run memtest86+ like benjamindees suggested? |
| 06:36.30 | fyrestrtr | psycodad: memtest is okay on the memory (ran it from another livecd) |
| 06:36.41 | tremor | ok, forget about the question |
| 06:36.55 | psycodad | ok, then maybe another install medium might be worth a try |
| 06:37.07 | fyrestrtr | raj: shouldn't you ask orts support on this? |
| 06:37.12 | benjamindees | yeah md5sum your cds |
| 06:37.17 | psycodad | i've had funny things happen with defective CDs |
| 06:37.17 | raj | ya fyrestrtr: |
| 06:37.40 | fyrestrtr | benjamindees: well, the cd part installs fine (I am doing a network install from the cd). |
| 06:37.47 | fyrestrtr | the first part, where it uses the CD, all is good. |
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| 06:38.00 | fyrestrtr | Its when it reboots and then configures the system is where it just froze :( |
| 06:38.51 | tremor | then you should give disabling some things like apic a try ?! |
| 06:38.58 | tremor | like suggested before |
| 06:39.25 | benjamindees | yeah apic can be a problem on VIA chipsets |
| 06:39.52 | benjamindees | try using the 2.4 kernel; there's not a lot of difference |
| 06:40.31 | fyrestrtr | yeah I'll do that when I edit grub. |
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| 06:42.23 | fyrestrtr | the other thing I noticed that was strange was that SMART was disabled in the bios (but the disk is smart capable, it states that when it boots up). So I enabled that - no change, then I just disabled it. Since its a desktop, I really don't care for any power management other than dimming of the lcds. |
| 06:42.29 | simonrvn | Guerin: you got your dsl? |
| 06:42.36 | _diz | Hello |
| 06:42.45 | Guerin | simonrvn: cablex0rz! |
| 06:42.50 | simonrvn | oh yes |
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| 06:42.54 | simonrvn | nice |
| 06:43.35 | tremor | fyrestrtr: smart sometimes caused problems here, so I disabled that. especially with ibm hdds. |
| 06:43.36 | Guerin | simonrvn: now all I need is to know wht x is trying to run in 1680x1050, a mode the monitor doesn't even support, when i'me telling it to use 1024x768 |
| 06:43.44 | Guerin | i think i blame refresh rates |
| 06:43.50 | benjamindees | SMART is defect management and is generally worthless |
| 06:43.53 | Master_Medic | hey |
| 06:43.58 | Master_Medic | how can i tell what video card my computer has? |
| 06:44.04 | Master_Medic | like intel, ati or wut? |
| 06:44.13 | fyrestrtr | Master_Medic: lspci -v | grep VGA |
| 06:44.32 | simonrvn | Guerin: often the case, yes |
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| 06:45.02 | fyrestrtr | Guerin: you can always edit the file to disabled that resolution. |
| 06:45.02 | Guerin | simonrvn: what are sane refresh ranges for an oldish TV? |
| 06:45.10 | fyrestrtr | is there a reason xorg is not in debian? |
| 06:45.10 | Master_Medic | fyrestrtr, thanks :] |
| 06:45.19 | kristalino | how to send ssh command remotely to several computers at the same time ? |
| 06:45.28 | Guerin | fyrestrtr: it's not enabled, X is just choosing it at random. I had no idea the monitor could go that high. |
| 06:45.30 | simonrvn | Guerin: oh crap, IHNFC |
| 06:45.36 | Guerin | fyrestrtr: it is in debian. |
| 06:45.41 | benjamindees | televisions are 60 hz in north america |
| 06:45.44 | simonrvn | fyrestrtr: not in sarge, no |
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| 06:45.55 | simonrvn | he's not in n.a. |
| 06:45.56 | fyrestrtr | simonrvn: ah, thanks. |
| 06:46.47 | simonrvn | i don't think that applies to to what he's doing anyway ;) |
| 06:46.51 | tremor | Guerin: you mean real tv? on the tv-out? |
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| 06:46.56 | UstasW | yo |
| 06:47.04 | benjamindees | same frequency as the power lines |
| 06:47.35 | Guerin | tremor: i have a converter box, yeah. |
| 06:47.43 | fyrestrtr | hrmm, I think sarge really is a bit outdated for my pc. Half my usb devices aren't even turned on :| |
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| 06:48.09 | benjamindees | heh yeah usb was like a 'new feature' for sarge |
| 06:48.25 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 06:48.49 | benjamindees | the state of usb support in linux was really very sad for a long time |
| 06:48.58 | simonrvn | early 2.6, new usb stuff in 2.6, new tools, all pretty much outdated for a desktop/workstation that's newer |
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| 06:49.34 | simonrvn | wtf, *ubuntu doesn't install gawk by default?! |
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| 06:50.51 | benjamindees | they prefer some noveaux crap like python |
| 06:51.10 | fyrestrtr | when the system boots, there are some error messages, but they scroll by quite fast. What log file do I check for those? They are not in kern.log or whatever dmesg outputs. |
| 06:51.11 | simonrvn | yeh they do. heavy on the python |
| 06:51.12 | UstasW | fun |
| 06:51.23 | benjamindees | you can write a 1 meg program to parse text |
| 06:51.43 | tremor | Guerin: in germany real tv uses 50 Hz |
| 06:51.52 | simonrvn | benjamindees: or just use awk? ;) |
| 06:52.14 | simonrvn | or awk, some pipes, and grep, and some other shell tools, hehe |
| 06:52.22 | benjamindees | simonrvn, well I was trying to say a python script would be 1 meg... |
| 06:52.29 | simonrvn | i know |
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| 06:52.52 | fyrestrtr | mmm .. oregonstate.edu mirror is getting slow |
| 06:52.54 | amc | how can i turn off the message which appears when i log in in console? |
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| 06:52.58 | benjamindees | ...wasn't sure how believable that would be, but it is bloatware |
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| 06:53.42 | tremor | work cries .. have a nice day |
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| 06:54.22 | benjamindees | amc, I think that's a getty option |
| 06:54.27 | benjamindees | amc, when does it appear? |
| 06:54.34 | litage | i just created a new partition and tried running mkfs.ext3 on it. however, this error occured: "mkfs.ext3: No such device or address while trying to determine filesystem size". do i have to reboot for linux to recongise the new partition? |
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| 06:55.05 | simonrvn | it can. just like a perl app, or other language. they're ok to do some stuff, but c apps are good for speed, and other stuff. well, they're interpreted, eh, that makes them slower. an advantage is almost-on-the-fly editing, whereas a c app you have to rebuild it |
| 06:55.35 | amc | benjamindees: when i login :) i'm talking about that message which says when was the last login and that the programs in debian are free software and stuff |
| 06:55.53 | simonrvn | motd and the pam stuff |
| 06:56.23 | simonrvn | oh, and the login stuff too (which is related to the pam stuff) |
| 06:56.54 | fyrestrtr | mm, can someone point me to a list of apt mirrors for debian? |
| 06:57.16 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/mirrors/list IIRC |
| 06:57.19 | fyrestrtr | I my searching skills are not coming up with anything on debian.org (all I find is iso mirrors and torrent trackers) |
| 06:57.20 | benjamindees | !mirrors |
| 06:57.20 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 06:58.43 | benjamindees | that program that picks the fastest mirror is awesome; I wonder why the installer doesn't do that |
| 06:59.00 | fyrestrtr | can I use the ftp mirrors are apt mirrors? |
| 06:59.10 | benjamindees | yes apt uses ftp |
| 06:59.20 | benjamindees | or http or cdroms or files |
| 07:00.04 | insmod | amc: before you login or after |
| 07:00.49 | amc | after i type my username and password :) |
| 07:01.10 | amc | doesn't anyone get it? maybe i don't explain as it have |
| 07:01.18 | benjamindees | that may be in your bashrc or profile |
| 07:01.47 | benjamindees | I can sit here and guess but I'm not on a debian box so you can ignore me ;) |
| 07:02.08 | insmod | amc: edit what loads in .bash_profile |
| 07:02.15 | TraceGreen | Hello, how can i know whether a wireless router has password for wireless card connection? |
| 07:02.36 | fyrestrtr | TraceGreen: try to connect to it without one. |
| 07:02.45 | amc | insmod: thanks, but it it's not there :/ |
| 07:03.03 | insmod | TraceGreen: iwlist scan ? |
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| 07:03.24 | insmod | amc: ~/.bashrc |
| 07:03.50 | amc | it isn't there too |
| 07:03.54 | fyrestrtr | silly question but, can you setup a debian mirror on a non-debian box? |
| 07:04.05 | benjamindees | the system-wide profile and bashrc in /etc ? |
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| 07:04.17 | benjamindees | fyrestrtr, absolutely |
| 07:04.34 | insmod | amc: ? copy it from /etc/skel |
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| 07:04.44 | fyrestrtr | amc: what does the text say? |
| 07:04.57 | benjamindees | fyrestrtr, fedora used to be able to use apt as a package manager even |
| 07:05.05 | fyrestrtr | so as long as its linux |
| 07:05.38 | benjamindees | no a debian mirror can be on any ftp server but it's probably easiest on debian |
| 07:05.46 | amc | the message is like this http://www.wikilearning.com/imagescc/4731/login_48.gif |
| 07:06.14 | amc | it shows uname -a maybe and says " the most programs in debian are free software.." |
| 07:06.22 | insmod | benjamindees: why -- it can be on any -- i just serves files |
| 07:06.40 | benjamindees | insmod, why is it easiest? |
| 07:07.01 | insmod | benjamindees: ya he dump it on any ftp |
| 07:07.03 | benjamindees | I think there are some programs that make managing it easier |
| 07:07.33 | benjamindees | I mean it has to stay updated |
| 07:07.39 | TraceGreen | insmod, thanks so much! |
| 07:07.41 | insmod | benjamindees:linux is linux in the core you can install those same progs on any distro |
| 07:08.14 | benjamindees | insmod, yeah it's possible but not as easy as installing a precompiled .deb |
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| 07:09.05 | insmod | benjamindees:hmm i dissagree -- many ftp's handel several distros |
| 07:09.43 | benjamindees | insmod, you're saying it's *just* as easy? |
| 07:10.11 | insmod | benjamindees: ya |
| 07:11.07 | benjamindees | maybe I have a Fedora prejudice but surely there are some things that have to be done, extracting md5sums or something? |
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| 07:11.35 | benjamindees | it's not just copying files around |
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| 07:13.45 | insmod | benjamindees: i know -- but it can read it off the disk -- besides with progs like mkdisk it can write your own -- that's how dreamlinux is -- it's just some dudes ideal computer lol |
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| 07:14.38 | insmod | benjamindees: any way the tools are the same and extract md5 the same etc |
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| 07:15.59 | benjamindees | I don't know; I'm not convinced all linux programs are as portable as advertised |
| 07:16.19 | insmod | benjamindees: i never tried fedora -- i used redhat 2.2 -- how is it |
| 07:16.26 | benjamindees | I've seen Redhat do too many stupid things to libraries that break stuff |
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| 07:16.59 | insmod | benjamindees: ya they are -- a distro is just people saying we believe theres progs and versions work best together |
| 07:17.06 | benjamindees | I haven't used fedora since 3 |
| 07:17.29 | benjamindees | it's good if you like reinstalling from scratch once a year |
| 07:17.54 | SerajewelKS | how can i force whatever detects hardware and loads modules at boot to pass one module certain parameters when it does? |
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| 07:17.54 | insmod | benjamindees: crappy redhat 2.2 lol -- that was 10? yrs ago |
| 07:18.26 | benjamindees | and if you're dedicated to using only the programs that RH sanctions |
| 07:18.50 | insmod | SerajewelKS: look at modutils |
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| 07:19.15 | SerajewelKS | insmod: i did, i created a file in /etc/modutils and it seems to be ignoring it |
| 07:19.32 | insmod | benjamindees: that's my point any distro can use any prog even if not supported with the distro -- like lame |
| 07:19.39 | benjamindees | cd /etc; update-modutils |
| 07:19.51 | insmod | SerajewelKS: run the update |
| 07:20.04 | benjamindees | insmod, yeah but it becomes a pain in the ass if you're constantly compiling and patching |
| 07:20.09 | SerajewelKS | insmod: i did that too |
| 07:20.16 | benjamindees | might as well run Gentoo lol |
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| 07:20.44 | Guerin | winn0r |
| 07:20.44 | insmod | benjamindees: so that is when you side with your fav distro lol or make your own lfs |
| 07:20.55 | Guerin | reception is a bit flakey, but I think that's just our TV |
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| 07:21.21 | SerajewelKS | insmod: so i'm not even sure what is going on here |
| 07:21.23 | Guerin | so now I just have to finish this research and then I can watch firefly for five or six hours |
| 07:21.54 | fyrestrtr | firefly? |
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| 07:22.15 | benjamindees | fyrestrtr, do you work at an ISP? |
| 07:22.32 | benjamindees | or a college? |
| 07:22.35 | insmod | SerajewelKS: http://linuxcourse.rutgers.edu/lessons/lesson10/sec_9.html |
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| 07:22.37 | fyrestrtr | no |
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| 07:23.17 | SerajewelKS | insmod: an initscript... for this? |
| 07:23.33 | SerajewelKS | insmod: if i'm going to go that route, why not use /etc/modules |
| 07:24.09 | insmod | SerajewelKS: ya just run the command in rc -- done-- like my fix for ndiswrapper |
| 07:24.18 | benjamindees | running the update for modutils just collects the config files into something easier to parse so that it boots faster |
| 07:24.55 | SerajewelKS | insmod: /etc/modules doesn't work? |
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| 07:25.23 | insmod | SerajewelKS: well i don't think you set it up correct in modutils -- easy in a sript |
| 07:25.35 | benjamindees | they all work; sarge sources all of that crap; that's why it takes 5 minutes to boot up |
| 07:26.03 | SerajewelKS | insmod: pyromaniacs:/etc# cat modutils/tuner options saa7134 card=82 tuner=54 |
| 07:26.14 | SerajewelKS | insmod: not sure how that can be incorrect |
| 07:26.48 | insmod | SerajewelKS: well i see the flaw -- i think |
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| 07:27.36 | SerajewelKS | insmod: yes? |
| 07:27.44 | junkY_arbeit | hi, i'm searching for the Term::UI extension for perl. which packages provides this? |
| 07:27.48 | simonrvn | i don't tink the 'options' should be there, but i'm not too sure, been a while since i messed in there (since 2.4, heh) |
| 07:27.53 | simonrvn | think* |
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| 07:28.08 | insmod | SerajewelKS: in most errors like that -- you are loading it prior to the driver |
| 07:28.09 | simonrvn | !tell junkY_arbeit about search |
| 07:28.25 | satarical | cannot get my sata hd set up as a dev. can anyone help? |
| 07:28.30 | junkY_arbeit | simonrvn: : i really can't find anything wich apt-cache search or in google |
| 07:28.42 | SerajewelKS | insmod: loading what prior to what driver |
| 07:28.43 | simonrvn | read the factoid |
| 07:28.44 | benjamindees | you have to tell it to load the driver if you want that too |
| 07:29.11 | simonrvn | if it isn't in debian, install dh-make-perl and build it yourself |
| 07:29.19 | benjamindees | heh I'm sorry I'm spewing worthless generalities ;) |
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| 07:29.34 | insmod | SerajewelKS: you are setting the card options prior to the card loading -- which is why i do it via rc.d |
| 07:29.34 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: it inserts the module at boot. i just want it to use some parameters when it does |
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| 07:29.48 | simonrvn | dh-make-perl r0x, FYI |
| 07:30.08 | SerajewelKS | insmod: that's why i'm looking for a way to just tell whatever loads the module what options to use |
| 07:30.20 | junkY_arbeit | simonrvn: how can i find it with this tool? |
| 07:30.21 | simonrvn | junkY_arbeit: look for Term/UI instead of Term::UI |
| 07:30.36 | insmod | SerajewelKS: but you have to load the driver first |
| 07:30.38 | streuner | junkY_arbeit: you don't |
| 07:30.44 | simonrvn | junkY_arbeit: read carefully what i said |
| 07:30.47 | junkY_arbeit | okey |
| 07:30.55 | SerajewelKS | insmod: the driver is the module |
| 07:30.59 | SerajewelKS | insmod: isn't it? |
| 07:31.00 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i don't know how it works, but modconf allows you to specify parameters, and saves them for future |
| 07:31.09 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it is. |
| 07:31.10 | insmod | SerajewelKS: so your order is wrong |
| 07:31.16 | simonrvn | Guerin: just writes the stuff to /etc/modules |
| 07:31.17 | nevyn | office is gonna kick me out. |
| 07:31.22 | nevyn | ww |
| 07:31.23 | SerajewelKS | insmod: order of WHAT |
| 07:31.35 | satarical | insmod is deprecated. it should be modprobe! :D |
| 07:31.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: i thought it did modules.conf and all those arcane things too |
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| 07:32.07 | insmod | SerajewelKS: you need driver then options -- you are probably doing options driver |
| 07:32.09 | simonrvn | for 2.4 i think it did, not sure |
| 07:32.21 | insmod | satarical: :) |
| 07:32.25 | streuner | junkY_arbeit: CPAN if it isn't in debian, simonrvn already mentioned it... |
| 07:32.30 | simonrvn | yes, you needs driver first then it's options *without* the options word there |
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| 07:32.31 | SerajewelKS | insmod: what, the file format? |
| 07:32.41 | simonrvn | need* |
| 07:32.44 | insmod | SerajewelKS: no |
| 07:33.03 | insmod | SerajewelKS: ga! read about rc.d |
| 07:33.18 | benjamindees | heh no modutils is the way to go! |
| 07:33.27 | SerajewelKS | insmod: or you could just not be so vauge and tell me what the hell you mean |
| 07:34.17 | insmod | SerajewelKS: k my mom wants to go home so if i goto the car before i get the keys -- i am in error |
| 07:34.20 | satarical | in 2.6, you config a feature as module and it will be loaded during boot. no need to set in /etc/modules. |
| 07:34.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:34.24 | dpkg | well, qotd92 is <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
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| 07:34.44 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:34.54 | Guerin | !qotd93 |
| 07:34.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd93 is <sussudio> greycat: oil will just drip off, i used vaseline but the hamster keeps licking it off. |
| 07:34.58 | insmod | benjamindees: the loading order is set wrong |
| 07:34.59 | Guerin | winnar ^ |
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| 07:35.18 | satarical | cannot get my sata hd set up as a dev. can anyone help? |
| 07:35.27 | tarzeau | satarical: what happens? which kernel? |
| 07:35.31 | tarzeau | which sata controller? |
| 07:36.44 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, how did you get it to load the module on startup? did it just do so automatically? |
| 07:36.54 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: yes |
| 07:37.00 | satarical | tarzeau: controller is Intel ICH5, kernel is 2.6.15. In kernel config, I have enabled SCSI devices->SCSI lowlevel->Intel piiX |
| 07:37.07 | insmod | benjamindees: there you go |
| 07:37.24 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: did you not see my first question |
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| 07:37.52 | benjamindees | no not really |
| 07:37.59 | tarzeau | satarical: module or builtin? |
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| 07:38.16 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: --> how can i force whatever detects hardware and loads modules at boot to pass one module certain parameters when it does? |
| 07:38.16 | satarical | tarzeau: module, it only accepts that. |
| 07:38.20 | tarzeau | satarical: which 2.6.15 exactly? uname -a and which intel ich5 exactly? lspci -n |
| 07:38.35 | satarical | hang on. |
| 07:38.37 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, I'm thinking it's modutils but I'm checking |
| 07:40.07 | insmod | SerajewelKS: just do it in rc man |
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| 07:40.39 | satarical | tarzeau: uname -a gives: i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:40.48 | tarzeau | satarical: no it doesn't |
| 07:40.52 | SerajewelKS | insmod: i'd rather do it The Right Way if possible |
| 07:40.59 | tarzeau | satarical: it gives much more, and you don't know how to copy paste |
| 07:41.16 | satarical | hangon |
| 07:41.20 | tarzeau | satarical: do you know screen? or /exec -o ? |
| 07:41.26 | satarical | patient |
| 07:41.32 | benjamindees | yeah I'm trying to break my bad habit of hiding important stuff in random config files |
| 07:41.36 | satarical | no, what's that? |
| 07:41.45 | tarzeau | satarical: gnu screen allows copy n paste without mouse |
| 07:41.58 | satarical | how to do that? |
| 07:42.02 | tarzeau | satarical: /exec -o executes a command in your irc client and dumps the output in the window you're in |
| 07:42.12 | tarzeau | satarical: using ctrl-a ? and reading the online shortcuts |
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| 07:42.44 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, can you verify that your stuff got put in /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 07:42.52 | insmod | SerajewelKS: that is -- any way |
| 07:43.00 | eps | does any one know the correct command/switches to check a ext3 partition for bad sectors? I'm reading through the man pages though a quick line would be very nice :P |
| 07:43.07 | SlayerXP | /exec -o yes, I do love debian |
| 07:43.10 | tarzeau | eps: using badblocks ? |
| 07:43.15 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: yes: options saa7134 card=82 tuner=54 |
| 07:43.17 | SlayerXP | err minus the comma |
| 07:43.29 | eps | tarzeau: sure, or e2fsck |
| 07:43.33 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: ouch :) maybe add a nice to the beginning |
| 07:43.42 | satarical | tarzeau: when i try /exec in my irc input box, i get 'unknown command' |
| 07:43.44 | tarzeau | eps: that'll not check for bad sectors |
| 07:43.53 | tarzeau | eps: just for a bad filesystem |
| 07:43.56 | eps | which one? |
| 07:43.58 | eps | so use badblocks? |
| 07:43.59 | tarzeau | eps: yours |
| 07:44.06 | eps | righto |
| 07:44.15 | tarzeau | eps: e2fsck is completely a different thing as badblocks |
| 07:44.25 | tarzeau | satarical: your irc client is bad |
| 07:44.31 | tarzeau | satarical: check its documentation then |
| 07:44.34 | satarical | its chatzilla |
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| 07:44.47 | tarzeau | satarical: that's not an irc client |
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| 07:44.51 | tarzeau | !irc |
| 07:44.51 | dpkg | somebody said irc was Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to it's patrons |
| 07:44.54 | eps | tarzeau: according to e2fsck man it says that -c runs badblocks |
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| 07:45.16 | satarical | i am confused. what is your irc client? |
| 07:45.30 | tarzeau | eps: oh well, ok fine |
| 07:45.36 | tarzeau | satarical: irssi |
| 07:45.48 | eps | oh well, I'll just try with the options I have :| |
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| 07:46.13 | satarical | tarzeau: let me get back to the problem proper. uname -a gives: Linux themachine 2.6.15 #7 Wed Sep 13 21:47:55 SGT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:46.44 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: chatzilla is an IRC client |
| 07:46.45 | satarical | lspci -n gives a list of numerical addrs, do you mean lspci -v? |
| 07:46.56 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: ok, but it's very limited |
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| 07:47.21 | tarzeau | satarical: try a later version, www.kernel.org |
| 07:47.29 | satarical | fr lspci -v i get: 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801EB (ICH5) SATA Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO]) |
| 07:47.31 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.32 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.34 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.35 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.37 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.38 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.40 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.41 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: well it's a mozilla extension, what do you expect? =) |
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| 07:47.44 | SerajewelKS | satarical: stop |
| 07:47.45 | zanpakuto | hi, how do I use libstc++.so.5 instead of newer versions? I am getting some warning: libstdc++.so.5 may conflict with libstdc++.so.6 |
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| 07:48.12 | satarical | SerajewelKS: be tolerant. this is the fastest means. |
| 07:48.24 | SerajewelKS | !tell satarical about paste |
| 07:48.40 | eps | tarzeau: for reference the following works nicely e2fsck -c -c -C -y /dev/hda1 |
| 07:48.50 | eps | (non destructive read/write test) |
| 07:48.58 | liable | satarical: no we wont be tolerant, you be cutious and follow channel guidelines and dont paste |
| 07:49.02 | benjamindees | zanpakuto, reinstall an older version of debian |
| 07:49.08 | tarzeau | eps: but that'll only test partition one, and maybe not the whole disk |
| 07:49.17 | tarzeau | eps: you want to leave away the 1 in hda1 |
| 07:49.26 | satarical | liable: sure, gfy. |
| 07:49.32 | eps | doesn't allow it, as it isn't a real formated partition :( |
| 07:49.42 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, I don't know; that looks right to me |
| 07:49.44 | tarzeau | eps: well then you really want badblocks |
| 07:49.44 | zanpakuto | benjamindees, hmmm. |
| 07:49.52 | eps | tarzeau: I did a touch of research and it suggests that just doing badblocks doesn't save any found dead blocks to the ext2/3 tables as well |
| 07:49.53 | satarical | tarzeau: controller is alright. |
| 07:50.05 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: =/ |
| 07:50.15 | eps | and can be destructive to ext2/3 (though I'm sure that isn't the case) |
| 07:50.19 | tarzeau | eps: oh, nobody asked for that |
| 07:50.26 | tarzeau | eps: of course it can, who said it wouldn't? |
| 07:50.34 | tarzeau | eps: the guy just asked for a way finding bad blocks |
| 07:50.42 | tarzeau | eps: and the answer is simply: badblocks |
| 07:50.47 | eps | righto |
| 07:50.54 | eps | thanks for the help :) |
| 07:51.21 | insmod | SerajewelKS: trust me been there done that |
| 07:51.55 | benjamindees | insmod, so you put options in modutils and they aren't used? |
| 07:52.28 | satarical | tarzeau: fr dmesg, i get:libata version 1.20 loaded. |
| 07:52.30 | satarical | ata_piix 0000:00:1f.2: version 1.05 |
| 07:52.31 | satarical | ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:1f.2[A] -> Link [LNKC] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10 |
| 07:52.33 | satarical | PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.2 to 64 |
| 07:52.35 | satarical | ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE800 ctl 0xE402 bmdma 0xD800 irq 10 |
| 07:52.36 | satarical | ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE000 ctl 0xDC02 bmdma 0xD808 irq 10 |
| 07:52.37 | SerajewelKS | kick |
| 07:52.37 | satarical | ata1: dev 0 cfg 49:2f00 82:7c6b 83:7f69 84:4773 85:7c69 86:3e01 87:4763 88:207f |
| 07:52.39 | satarical | ata1: dev 0 ATA-7, max UDMA/133, 312581808 sectors: LBA48 |
| 07:52.40 | satarical | ata1: dev 0 configured for UDMA/133 |
| 07:52.42 | satarical | scsi0 : ata_piix |
| 07:52.43 | insmod | benjamindees: ya the card was loaded after the options |
| 07:52.43 | satarical | ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xE007 |
| 07:52.45 | satarical | scsi1 : ata_piix |
| 07:52.47 | satarical | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.48 | satarical | sorry |
| 07:52.52 | streuner | debhelper: ! |
| 07:52.54 | tarzeau | satarical: if you remember, i asked just for the lspci -n line |
| 07:52.55 | SerajewelKS | fuck |
| 07:53.02 | satarical | you |
| 07:53.03 | insmod | benjamindees: so it never made it there |
| 07:53.04 | tarzeau | satarical: but you bring me the dmesg and lspci -v stuff that i never wanted |
| 07:53.26 | streuner | satarical: who told you to flood the channel? |
| 07:53.42 | satarical | tarzeau: what will that tell you? which line? |
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| 07:54.26 | satarical | streuner: i did not, it just floods itself. i did nothing: :P |
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| 07:55.13 | tarzeau | satarical: the one of your controller of course |
| 07:55.14 | streuner | *plonk* |
| 07:55.23 | tarzeau | satarical: it'll give me the pci id of your sata controller |
| 07:55.27 | fyrestrtr | interesting nautilus bug |
| 07:55.35 | fyrestrtr | Copying files 10 of 3 |
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| 07:55.40 | Guerin | polltime |
| 07:55.45 | Guerin | best pdf viewer? |
| 07:55.47 | simonrvn | !polls |
| 07:55.48 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 07:55.53 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 07:55.57 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: xpdf or gpdf |
| 07:56.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: /msg dpkg jatfq me |
| 07:56.03 | simonrvn | xpdf |
| 07:56.06 | fyrestrtr | adobe pdf reader. |
| 07:56.11 | simonrvn | eew |
| 07:56.13 | Guerin | fyrestrtr: haha |
| 07:56.17 | simonrvn | @fuck adobe |
| 07:56.23 | insmod | Guerin: acroread is best |
| 07:56.31 | satarical | tarzeau: 0000:00:1f.2 0101: 8086:24d1 (rev 02) |
| 07:56.32 | Guerin | insmod: not at all. |
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| 07:56.38 | insmod | SerajewelKS: acroread is the adobe |
| 07:56.44 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 07:56.48 | SerajewelKS | insmod: i didn't ask |
| 07:57.09 | insmod | SerajewelKS: just saying |
| 07:57.11 | trunasuci | ermm leh tahan/j #netbsd |
| 07:57.14 | trunasuci | opsss |
| 07:57.32 | SerajewelKS | insmod: great, tell the channel, not me. i don't care. |
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| 07:57.51 | tarzeau | satarical: now check your kernel sources if it supports yours |
| 07:58.09 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe, figures |
| 07:58.13 | insmod | SerajewelKS: lol |
| 07:58.19 | satarical | tarzeau: sorry, but how do i do that? |
| 07:58.24 | tarzeau | how can i make multicolumn of alot of text? |
| 07:58.32 | tarzeau | satarical: grep/rgrep in your kernel sources |
| 07:58.42 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: the hcl says that it works with ata_piix |
| 07:58.53 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: what's the hcl? |
| 07:58.58 | insmod | SerajewelKS: when i can't figure stuff out i am am an ass as well |
| 07:59.03 | SerajewelKS | tarzeau: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 07:59.05 | tarzeau | SerajewelKS: with his particular pci id? and his version? |
| 07:59.06 | satarical | you mean kernel config?grep for 0101:8086:24d1? |
| 07:59.16 | tarzeau | satarical: without 0101: |
| 07:59.18 | zanpakuto | ben42, seems I found a safer route, install g++ 3.3 :) |
| 07:59.28 | SerajewelKS | insmod: i'm an ass whenever people direct random uninteresting information in my direction |
| 07:59.28 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, so if you rmmod the module and do modprobe manually does the option get used? |
| 07:59.44 | simonrvn | modprobe -r exists now |
| 07:59.46 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: if i modprobe with the options yeah, or do you mean without |
| 08:00.01 | Guerin | wtf, gpdf needs fam |
| 08:00.02 | insmod | SerajewelKS: well you gave shit advice <SerajewelKS> Guerin: xpdf or gpdf |
| 08:00.02 | satarical | hang on. first time i have to refer to the kernel source. |
| 08:00.03 | benjamindees | without; it should use the options in modules.conf |
| 08:00.14 | Guerin | jesusfuckingchrist, that is so wrong |
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| 08:00.34 | SerajewelKS | insmod: how is that shit advice. acroread is nonfree and i happen to know that Guerin doesn't like nonfree software. |
| 08:00.35 | Guerin | insmod: i didn't ask for advice, I asked for opinions |
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| 08:01.03 | ttl_work | greetings |
| 08:01.04 | Guerin | my problems with adobeware go beyond it being non-free, though |
| 08:01.05 | insmod | Guerin: and that was mine |
| 08:01.05 | simonrvn | who's jesusfuckingchrist, i thought his middle name was murphy |
| 08:01.10 | benjamindees | oh fuck best pdf viewer is xpdf by far |
| 08:01.12 | insmod | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 08:01.19 | zanpakuto | benjamindees, seems I found a safer route, install g++ 3.3 :) Thanks! |
| 08:01.23 | benjamindees | believe me I worked for lawyers |
| 08:01.32 | insmod | benjamindees: lol |
| 08:01.32 | benjamindees | pickiest pdf viewer users evar |
| 08:01.33 | Guerin | benjamindees: xpdf has abysmal file dialogues - for saving and shit |
| 08:01.33 | SerajewelKS | insmod: and there's the fact that adobe sucks |
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| 08:01.44 | insmod | SerajewelKS: ya but works |
| 08:01.55 | SerajewelKS | insmod: xpdf does too, and better |
| 08:02.04 | benjamindees | Guerin, yeah well try kpdf if you're adventurous |
| 08:02.12 | satarical | tarzeau: my is linux-source-2.6.15. what would be the exact grep command for that string? |
| 08:02.22 | Guerin | benjamindees: i'm allergic to k |
| 08:02.23 | insmod | SerajewelKS: trust me i program and like gnu but acroread is ok |
| 08:02.24 | SerajewelKS | insmod: windows works for the most part, but if you're here you have reasons to not use it apparently |
| 08:02.27 | insmod | SerajewelKS: no |
| 08:02.31 | SerajewelKS | inti program too |
| 08:02.40 | SerajewelKS | insmod: i program too |
| 08:02.40 | insmod | SerajewelKS: never used win sorry |
| 08:02.53 | Trewas | does any of the free pdf-readers support forms? that is the reason why I have acroread installed... |
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| 08:03.15 | SerajewelKS | are forms part of the PDF standard? |
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| 08:03.18 | benjamindees | Trewas, I don't think so |
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| 08:03.33 | insmod | :) |
| 08:03.33 | tarzeau | satarical: find the right files, something with pci and .h |
| 08:03.38 | tarzeau | satarical: i don't remember |
| 08:03.42 | ttl_work | I'm using etc and gnome desktop, i accidentally removed the volume slider from the right corner of the upper panel. Is there a way to get it back ? |
| 08:03.51 | ttl_work | etch* |
| 08:03.55 | satarical | ok, i got it fr man grep. |
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| 08:04.08 | Trewas | SerajewelKS: to my knowledge they are |
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| 08:04.21 | SerajewelKS | Trewas: hmm |
| 08:04.24 | insmod | any testers that burn dvd video? |
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| 08:04.32 | benjamindees | zanpakuto, what, are you programming? |
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| 08:05.01 | Trewas | and anyway I occasionally have to use pdfs with forms, doesn't really matter if they are part of the official standard or not... |
| 08:05.29 | Guerin | Trewas: yeah, that's a pain in the arse. |
| 08:05.34 | insmod | Trewas: i think the update acroread 7 does |
| 08:05.52 | zanpakuto | benjamindees, just a custom program that needs to be linked to stdc++ 5 |
| 08:05.56 | insmod | Trewas: not sure |
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| 08:06.25 | SerajewelKS | insmod: acroread also implements DRM, which is something i don't want on my system |
| 08:06.43 | benjamindees | zanpakuto, oh yeah well my advice wasn't useful then :p |
| 08:07.05 | simonrvn | ttl_work: right click, add to panel |
| 08:07.35 | zanpakuto | benjamindees, it was helpful in a way since installing older version of debian would mean using older g++ version :) |
| 08:07.46 | insmod | SerajewelKS: drm |
| 08:08.30 | SerajewelKS | insmod: yes? |
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| 08:08.46 | ttl_work | simonrvn: Yeah sorry for the bothering, stupid me |
| 08:08.50 | satarical | what is the command to grep a whole dir? |
| 08:08.51 | ttl_work | lol |
| 08:08.59 | SerajewelKS | satarical: grep -r |
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| 08:09.06 | satarical | thks |
| 08:09.08 | SerajewelKS | satarical: RTFM |
| 08:09.18 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 08:09.25 | insmod | SerajewelKS: if i want to protect my stuff i will |
| 08:09.36 | satarical | if all you know is to RTFM, then STFU and GFY. |
| 08:10.08 | SerajewelKS | satarical: apparently that's not all i know since i gave you the right answer |
| 08:10.32 | satarical | SerajewelKS: no time for this now, later. |
| 08:10.40 | SerajewelKS | ... |
| 08:11.37 | SerajewelKS | satarical: the docs exist so you can read them, not so i can read them for you |
| 08:11.55 | satarical | SerajewelKS: no time for this now, later. |
| 08:12.21 | SerajewelKS | satarical: expect no more help from me then. /ignore |
| 08:12.42 | jouke | what port doe gpg use to receive a key? |
| 08:13.10 | SerajewelKS | jouke: hpk, i think |
| 08:13.21 | Guerin | tarzeau: why does viewpdf.app have a binary called ViewPDF? |
| 08:13.25 | jouke | hpk? |
| 08:13.32 | SerajewelKS | jouke: i'm looking |
| 08:13.34 | Guerin | tarzeau: and not even a lowercase symlink |
| 08:13.35 | tarzeau | Guerin: what else would the name of the binary be? |
| 08:13.38 | satarical | tarzeau: can't fing the string 8086:24d1. |
| 08:13.41 | Guerin | tarzeau: viewpdf |
| 08:13.47 | tarzeau | Guerin: why is X called X and not x? |
| 08:13.48 | eps | if e2fsck returns 880 using badblocks what does that mean? :| |
| 08:13.55 | Guerin | tarzeau: because X is stupid too |
| 08:14.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: well all gnustep applications have capital letters |
| 08:14.15 | satarical | tarzeau: becos X is bigger than x. |
| 08:14.25 | tarzeau | Guerin: but what's really stupid is the ri-li game, with the binary Ri_li |
| 08:14.25 | insmod | Guerin: ? |
| 08:14.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: i know. It's stupid and wrong. |
| 08:14.34 | insmod | Guerin: viewpdf.app |
| 08:14.35 | SerajewelKS | jouke: looks like 389 |
| 08:14.40 | insmod | Guerin: ? |
| 08:14.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: prove it it's wrong |
| 08:14.46 | tarzeau | Guerin: says who? |
| 08:14.49 | jouke | ok, thanks SerajewelKS |
| 08:14.50 | Guerin | tarzeau: non-falsifiable |
| 08:14.57 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's like on Mac OS X, and on OPENSTEP and on NeXTSTEP |
| 08:14.58 | Guerin | tarzeau: says me. |
| 08:15.02 | tarzeau | Guerin: and how it's meant to be |
| 08:15.03 | Guerin | tarzeau: yes. |
| 08:15.04 | SerajewelKS | jouke: it seems to be an LDAP server |
| 08:15.07 | simonrvn | hkp |
| 08:15.10 | tarzeau | Guerin: you're not relevant, since you don't use it |
| 08:15.16 | Guerin | insmod: are you usually this random? |
| 08:15.16 | simonrvn | that's just ldap iirc |
| 08:15.22 | Guerin | tarzeau: that's a fair comment. |
| 08:15.24 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: yes ^^6 |
| 08:15.34 | Guerin | tarzeau: could you just include symlinks, for sanity's sake? |
| 08:15.34 | tarzeau | Guerin: there's no policy or rule or any recommendations about capital letters in command names |
| 08:15.42 | insmod | Guerin: ya -- you gave a wm specific answer |
| 08:15.48 | tarzeau | Guerin: no, because otherwise i'd have conflicting names |
| 08:15.49 | benjamindees | oh man there are actually people who argue for the stUpiD cApitAL letters? |
| 08:15.52 | tarzeau | Guerin: there's emacs and there's Emacs |
| 08:15.54 | Guerin | insmod: wtf? |
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| 08:16.08 | tarzeau | but you can do that on your local systems |
| 08:16.16 | benjamindees | at least there's not eMacs |
| 08:16.26 | ma3x | anyone understands phpmyadmin? |
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| 08:16.37 | Guerin | benjamindees: only because they couldn't build it on an iMac |
| 08:16.41 | tarzeau | Guerin: actually they are not even meant to be started from the commandline but graphically (dock or gworkspace) |
| 08:16.41 | SerajewelKS | !tell ma3x about ask |
| 08:16.43 | Guerin | ma3x: no. |
| 08:16.51 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i use lspci, i don't detect my wireless card, i compile my kernel own. |
| 08:16.56 | Guerin | tarzeau: bah. |
| 08:17.09 | Guerin | TraceGreen: use a debian kernel. |
| 08:17.14 | benjamindees | so SerajewelKS you never said whether it uses the options if you modprobe manually |
| 08:17.27 | satarical | tarzeau: the line "ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0xE007" fr dmesg, does that tell you something is wrong? |
| 08:17.28 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: oh right, got sidetracked |
| 08:17.31 | eps | chroot ftw for fixing horrible kernel updates in a comfy ubuntu environment :D *feels calm* |
| 08:17.36 | insmod | Guerin: what if i neverused a wm -- wtf is viewpdf.app |
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| 08:17.41 | tarzeau | satarical: i told you what you should try |
| 08:17.57 | TraceGreen | Guerin, ok, and i want to ask, if i modprobe ipw2200(my wireless card driver), can i see my wireless info through lspci? |
| 08:18.01 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: nope |
| 08:18.07 | satarical | tarzeau: i had. can't find the string in the kernelsource. |
| 08:18.31 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, hmm, mine does; do you have kernel 2.6 ? |
| 08:18.40 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: .15 yes |
| 08:18.56 | satarical | SerajewelKS: still feeling sore? |
| 08:19.15 | ma3x | okay when I go to http://localhost/phpmyadmin , I get Unknown language: english. |
| 08:19.17 | satarical | after FY? |
| 08:19.29 | satarical | :D |
| 08:19.29 | insmod | TraceGreen: iwconfig |
| 08:19.58 | SerajewelKS | satarical: sore and exasperated with an unwillingness to read the docs are different things. if you're not going to take the time to help yourself, i'm not going to help. |
| 08:20.19 | TraceGreen | insmod, i can not see my wireless card through lspci |
| 08:20.25 | satarical | TraceGreen: the ifconfig and iwconfig are the commands to use. |
| 08:20.55 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, oh so perhaps you need to be using module-init-tools instead |
| 08:20.58 | satarical | TraceGreen: have you installed the driver? |
| 08:20.59 | insmod | SerajewelKS: awsome anwer -- that is what i needed to say to you |
| 08:21.11 | SerajewelKS | insmod: w/rt what |
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| 08:21.36 | satarical | insmod: good one. :D |
| 08:22.01 | TraceGreen | satarical, I have modprobe ipw2200. but still i can not see any info from lspci |
| 08:22.05 | insmod | satarical: :) |
| 08:22.08 | stew | TraceGreen: whether or not you have a driver loaded has nothing to do with whether or not the card shows up in lspci, it should show up regardless |
| 08:22.30 | SerajewelKS | insmod: i did read the docs. i asked here when i did what the docs said and it didn't work. again, different things. |
| 08:22.30 | stew | TraceGreen: are you sure ipw2200 is the right driver? if so, did you download and install firmware? |
| 08:22.31 | satarical | TraceGreen: lsmod shows that it is loaded? |
| 08:22.44 | tolecnal | TraceGreen: lspci shows the devices connected to the PCI bus.. lsmod is the command you are looking for, and iwconfig |
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| 08:22.50 | fyrestrtr | satarical: does your card even need the driver? |
| 08:22.52 | simonrvn | @kill wmv |
| 08:23.05 | insmod | SerajewelKS: but i told you the answer |
| 08:23.22 | TraceGreen | stew, oh, i may not install firmware |
| 08:23.28 | satarical | fyrestrtr: of course, rt2500, i use module-assistant to build it, dpkg -i to install it. |
| 08:23.31 | SerajewelKS | insmod: "use rc.d" is not an answer to my question. and is also unrelated to "RTFM". |
| 08:23.52 | Guerin | insmod seems to be getting panned |
| 08:23.54 | tolecnal | TraceGreen: you need to download and install the firmware to get the ipw2200 card to work |
| 08:24.10 | satarical | fyrestrtr: then modprobe rt2500, and i am on my way to wireless. |
| 08:24.13 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i'm having trouble connecting anything he says... |
| 08:24.36 | insmod | SerajewelKS: "RTFM" ???? and yes that is the answer-- what loads fist ? the driver or your options |
| 08:24.37 | fyrestrtr | your kernel also needs to be compiled with some encryption modules (I forgot the exact ones, but ipw2200.sf.net has the exact listing of what you need to have in the kernel) |
| 08:24.39 | stew | TraceGreen: "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200" will tell you the driver version. go to ipw220.sf.net and get the corresponding firmware for that version and unpack it into /lib/firmware, then unload and reload the driver with "modprobe -r ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200" |
| 08:24.41 | simonrvn | s,panned,lobotomised, |
| 08:24.51 | insmod | first |
| 08:24.58 | TraceGreen | tolecnal, thanks! actually, i compile my own kernel, I don't know whether i should config my kernel to support firmware |
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| 08:25.04 | SerajewelKS | insmod: again, you demonstrate no knowledge of my question |
| 08:25.09 | TraceGreen | stew, thanks! |
| 08:25.16 | stew | TraceGreen: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 08:25.18 | satarical | SerajewelKS: stop bullshitting insmod. |
| 08:25.29 | stew | TraceGreen: and do you have either the "hotplug" or the "udev" package installed? |
| 08:25.30 | fyrestrtr | TraceGreen: go read what needs to be enabled (and disabled) in the kernel for the driver to work properly. |
| 08:25.31 | SerajewelKS | insmod: the driver and the options are "loaded" simultaneously |
| 08:25.32 | insmod | SerajewelKS: k just you don't understabd |
| 08:25.52 | TraceGreen | stew, I don't install hotplug, also udev, maybe. |
| 08:25.53 | simonrvn | the modules is loaded into kernel mem WITH THOSE OPTIONS |
| 08:25.59 | tolecnal | TraceGreen: if you are compiling a custom kernel, you need to install ipw2200-source and ie80211-source too, and enable it in the kernel.. as well as cryptography support (to enable WEP support).. Very important! |
| 08:25.59 | simonrvn | module* |
| 08:26.00 | insmod | SerajewelKS: no they are not |
| 08:26.06 | SerajewelKS | insmod: see simonrvn ^^^ |
| 08:26.08 | stew | TraceGreen: you need to have either hotplug or udev install to load firmware |
| 08:26.11 | satarical | tarzeau: any more suggestion for my sata problem? |
| 08:26.19 | stew | ^install^installed |
| 08:26.32 | SerajewelKS | satarical: stay out of what doesn't concern you. thank you, drive through. |
| 08:26.33 | simonrvn | the options is simply the config of the module, nothing more. some mods take them, some don't |
| 08:26.40 | tolecnal | TraceGreen: and the path for the firmware is '/usr/lib/hotplug' if I'm not enterily wrong |
| 08:26.42 | insmod | SerajewelKS: wrong if you reset them |
| 08:27.04 | insmod | SerajewelKS: anyway i don't care never get it |
| 08:27.08 | satarical | insmod: be cautious. there are a lot of bullshitters around here, kids trying to impress the world. |
| 08:27.15 | stew | TraceGreen: use /lib/firmware, not /usr/lib/hotplug (or the more correct but still incorrect /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware) |
| 08:27.29 | TraceGreen | tolecnal, do you mean after i install ipw2200 and ie80211, i should reconfig my kernel and recompile it? |
| 08:27.29 | insmod | satarical: :) |
| 08:27.39 | benjamindees | satarical, did you ever tell anyone what SATA chipset you have? |
| 08:27.41 | fyrestrtr | how can something be 'more correct' and still incorrect in the same breath. |
| 08:27.46 | simonrvn | only bs i see here is from insmod and satarical |
| 08:27.46 | stew | TraceGreen: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 08:27.49 | SerajewelKS | satarical: odd coming from someone who just got here, talking about a channel regular |
| 08:27.55 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: thank you |
| 08:28.04 | satarical | benjamindees: of course, Intel ICH5. |
| 08:28.05 | stew | tolecnal: you are entirely wrong |
| 08:28.11 | TraceGreen | stew, 2.6.14 |
| 08:28.13 | insmod | simonrvn: what have i said wrong |
| 08:28.21 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 08:28.26 | stew | TraceGreen: what version of debian? |
| 08:28.28 | fyrestrtr | TraceGreen: you really should read the docs at ipw2200.sf.net |
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| 08:28.50 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: module-init-tools seems to be modutils, the thing i'm using... |
| 08:28.53 | tolecnal | TraceGreen: you need those two sources installed when recompilig a custom kernel |
| 08:29.02 | TraceGreen | ok, fyrestrtr . stew , i recompile my kernel. |
| 08:29.03 | simonrvn | btw, this wasn't meant as a personal attack, just that you need to look deeper into things |
| 08:29.07 | stew | TraceGreen: wait |
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| 08:29.15 | tolecnal | stew: forgot the 'firmware' directory.. i blame it on the lack of sleep :/ |
| 08:29.27 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: or maybe it's modprobe.conf that i'm after? |
| 08:29.27 | satarical | tarzeau: you are another bullshitter. |
| 08:29.30 | stew | tolecnal: and you forgot that udev cannot use that directory if /usr is on a separate partition |
| 08:29.44 | stew | TraceGreen: do you have udev installed? if so, which version? |
| 08:29.50 | SerajewelKS | !ops satarical trolling 04:29 < satarical> tarzeau: you are another bullshitter. |
| 08:29.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: serajewelks complains about: satarical trolling 04:29 < satarical> tarzeau: you are another bullshitter. |
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| 08:30.13 | fyrestrtr | guys, does anyone else have problems with the gnome panel in sarge? |
| 08:30.15 | stew | satarical: please don't resort to namecalling, use /ignore |
| 08:30.22 | stew | fyrestrtr: /msg dpkg bts |
| 08:30.36 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, modprobe.conf is generated by modutils, I'm not sure about module-init-tools other than it is the 2.6 version of modutils |
| 08:30.38 | TraceGreen | stew, I don't install udev. btw, i think i should reconfig my kernel |
| 08:30.49 | satarical | SerajewelKS: "stay out of what doesn't concern you. thank you, drive through." |
| 08:30.52 | stew | TraceGreen: what version of hotplug do you have installed? |
| 08:31.03 | stew | satarical: please stop. use ignore, keep it on topic |
| 08:31.03 | fyrestrtr | stew: ah, cheers :) |
| 08:31.17 | satarical | stew: ok, i love stewed meat. |
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| 08:31.29 | TraceGreen | stew, oh, i don't install hotplug either.... |
| 08:31.38 | stew | satarical: you have been devoiced for 10 miinutes for being of-topic |
| 08:31.47 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: hmm, i don't have a modprobe.conf |
| 08:31.58 | stew | TraceGreen: you need either hotplug or udev for loading firmware. which version of debian are you running? |
| 08:32.00 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, :( |
| 08:32.22 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, cd /etc && update-modules |
| 08:32.33 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: i did already |
| 08:32.36 | jouke | how long should apt-key add - take? |
| 08:32.48 | fyrestrtr | jouke: a few seconds at best. |
| 08:32.50 | stew | jouke: not long at all, what did you pipe into it? |
| 08:32.53 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, oh shit sorry I meant modules.conf |
| 08:33.10 | jouke | Is did the /msg dpkg 2006 thing |
| 08:33.15 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: i don't have a update-modules.conf |
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| 08:33.32 | dorel__ | stew: vsftpd, proftpd, pureftpd - which would you go with? |
| 08:33.35 | stew | jouke: what is the entire command you typed? |
| 08:33.50 | jouke | stew, /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 08:33.56 | fyrestrtr | dorel__: if it were me, proftpd |
| 08:33.56 | stew | dorel__: any of them are fine |
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| 08:34.05 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, now you're just fucking with me >:-( |
| 08:34.13 | fyrestrtr | jouke: he meant, in the terminal, which command :) |
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| 08:34.36 | liable | ah, another sg troll.. |
| 08:34.39 | dorel__ | hmm, i want to go with some secure and good, i've worked with proftpd until which has its quircks |
| 08:34.46 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: update-modules update-modules.modutils |
| 08:34.49 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: that's it |
| 08:34.52 | stew | dorel__: if you want secure, you don't want ftp at all |
| 08:35.04 | dorel__ | :) |
| 08:35.24 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, no I meant you should have /etc/modules.conf generated by running update-modules |
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| 08:35.35 | jouke | fyrestrtr, copy paste, anyway: "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F" . and then "apt-key add -" |
| 08:35.36 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: oh. but i don't |
| 08:35.47 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: err |
| 08:35.56 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: i do, thought you said modprobe.conf |
| 08:36.10 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, yeah I did cause I'm an idiot |
| 08:36.29 | stew | jouke: right. you were supposed to run "gpg --export .....| apt-key add -" all as one command. the '-' tells it to accept a file on stdin, and if you didn't pipe (|) the gpg --export command into it, its going to wait forever for that file |
| 08:36.31 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: ah. the only reference there to saa7134 is the one i added to the .d |
| 08:37.17 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, are you on etch by any chance? |
| 08:37.20 | jouke | stew, ah, it was meant to be a pipe :) I tought it was a command sepperator or something |
| 08:37.43 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: yes |
| 08:38.39 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, well I think you have to ditch modutils and use something else |
| 08:38.52 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: hmm |
| 08:39.34 | stew | modutils is for 2.4, module-init-tools is for 2.6 |
| 08:40.19 | benjamindees | SerajewelKS, use /etc/modprobe.d instead |
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| 08:41.33 | benjamindees | it helps that all of these things have similar names that don't match up at all, doesn't it? |
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| 08:42.15 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: that did the trick |
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| 08:42.45 | benjamindees | for some reason I thought modutils still actually worked for 2.6 in sarge |
| 08:43.03 | SerajewelKS | benjamindees: yeah you'd think they'd pick better names =/ |
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| 08:44.20 | jouke | ok, I am running stable. I am trying to install python2.3-dev but it says it needs python2.3 (= 2.3.5-3sarge1) but 2.3.5-8 will be installed. |
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| 08:45.00 | azeem | jouke: what does apt-cache policy python2.3 say? |
| 08:45.20 | peterS | jouke: python2.3 and python2.3-dev will always be available at the same version in any given archive. install both of them from the same place, don't mix your sources |
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| 08:46.22 | jouke | I didn't change my sources for over a year or something |
| 08:46.49 | azeem | jouke: sarge is out for over a year :) |
| 08:46.50 | peterS | jouke: well, python2.3 2.3.5-8 did not come from stable. it came from _somewhere_ else. |
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| 08:47.03 | azeem | you seem to have had testing sources around at one point |
| 08:47.06 | jouke | peterS, hmm, ok |
| 08:47.13 | jouke | maybe, but I can't recall |
| 08:47.15 | peterS | jouke: wherever it came from, they should have a matching python2.3-dev |
| 08:47.36 | peterS | jouke: do what azeem says, run 'apt-cache policy python2.3' to see what versions are available |
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| 08:49.45 | jouke | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3734 (it's dutch) |
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| 08:50.36 | peterS | jouke: so wherever you got your python2.3 2.3.5-8, you have since removed that location from your sources.list |
| 08:51.24 | jouke | ok, and what's the way to fix it? |
| 08:51.40 | benjamindees | satarical, this is basically what you have to do (for sarge): http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:kkN61Zbp7zIJ:www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/SATA.html+sarge+ich5&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a |
| 08:51.46 | fyrestrtr | jouke: you can remove it and then install both from proper sources. |
| 08:51.46 | stew | i tried the etch d-i for the first time |
| 08:51.52 | peterS | jouke: if you can remember where that was (quite possibly debian testing), and _why_ you upgraded to a non-sarge version of python2.3, that would help you decide whether to try to upgrade python2.3-dev as well (in testing, both will be considerably newer than 2.3.5-8), or downgrade python2.3 to the one in stable |
| 08:52.07 | stew | i would like to swear that it got my root password wrong, but i have a feeling i did |
| 08:52.08 | peterS | jouke: we can't make that decision for you because we don't know the reason you needed the newer python2.3 in the first place |
| 08:52.31 | jouke | petemc, I really can't recall when or why I've done that |
| 08:52.38 | stew | took me forever to figure out how to get it to create a software raid for me |
| 08:52.45 | jouke | so I'll just remove it |
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| 08:53.25 | stew | this is my first late night in weeks, i'm going to be dead tomorrow |
| 08:53.34 | peterS | jouke: I'd downgrade then, by running 'aptitude' interactively, going to the python2.3 line, hitting enter, then moving down to the place where it shows the available versions, and selecting the sarge one |
| 08:53.47 | satarical | oh, is my 10 mins up? |
| 08:54.00 | peterS | jouke: but if you haven't run aptitude interactively before, it may take some time to figure out |
| 08:54.06 | stew | satarical: it is. please stay on topic |
| 08:54.07 | jouke | peterS, never done that |
| 08:54.20 | satarical | benjamindees: thks a lot for the info. looks like just what i need. saved it up for reading. |
| 08:54.25 | satarical | stew: |
| 08:55.11 | satarical | stew: please kickban me for good. here's my ass. kick it hard. i really want to get out of here. i am addicted to this place and it is destroying my life. Please, stew? Please, please, kickban me. |
| 08:55.20 | fyrestrtr | is there ever a case where you can do something with aptitude, or synaptic, that you can't do with apt-get (or something else)? They are all different frontends to the same thing (dpkg) right? |
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| 08:56.57 | Skrot_ | Hi. I've got a umount process that just won't die. The reason is that my phone got disconnected while I was umounting it. How do I kill it of for sure? I've tried kill -9 pid |
| 08:57.16 | peterS | you don't kill it, you just ignore it |
| 08:57.36 | Skrot_ | For how long? It's been there since yesterday and the load is through the roof |
| 08:57.47 | Skrot_ | assuming the roof is about 6.00 :P |
| 08:57.51 | peterS | umount is causing high load? |
| 08:57.59 | fyrestrtr | Skrot_: good grief, are you sure its umount? |
| 08:58.22 | Skrot_ | There is nothing in top using a lot of CPU, so I thought it might be umount using a lot of I/O |
| 08:58.39 | Skrot_ | Trying to transfer data to a device which got disconnected or something |
| 08:58.58 | peterS | is this NFS or something? |
| 08:59.09 | Skrot_ | The mounted device was a fat32 |
| 08:59.12 | benjamindees | fyrestrtr, yes they are all frontends to dpkg |
| 08:59.25 | cydork | fyrestrtr: aptitude is much better than apt-get when it comes to dependacies |
| 08:59.30 | peterS | Skrot_: then wtf does your phone line have to do with it, if it's not a network mount? |
| 08:59.31 | fyrestrtr | benjamindees: okay, thanks. |
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| 08:59.56 | fyrestrtr | can you install a testing system using the netinstall cd? Just curious (already have sarge installed) |
| 08:59.58 | Skrot_ | peterS: My cell phone. It's got a USB-cable and I can mount the memory card inside it as a "usb mass storage" device. |
| 09:00.08 | cydork | fyrestrtr: yes |
| 09:00.22 | Skrot_ | Which I did, and I tried to transfer about 500MB of data when the cord got loose and umount won't die :) |
| 09:00.40 | peterS | ah so when you say your phone got disconnected, what you really mean is that your USB disk got disconnected |
| 09:00.52 | Skrot_ | peterS: Right. Sorry for any confusion there :) |
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| 09:01.51 | benjamindees | cydork, the sarge netinstall cd? |
| 09:01.56 | peterS | Skrot_: see because if it were an NFS mount I'd say just reconnect the network in question and it would probably fix itself. NFS is like that. I can't say the same of usb-storage unfortunately |
| 09:02.18 | fyrestrtr | Skrot_: I have a theory for you -- perhaps the process that was copying the files is stuck, and umount can't unmount it because the device is 'busy'. |
| 09:02.55 | Skrot_ | Is there a "top" only for showing IO? |
| 09:03.05 | Skrot_ | So I could check which apps are using a lot of IO |
| 09:03.15 | cydork | benjamindees: nope, you need a etch netinstall, of course. |
| 09:03.19 | eth0x | anyone know a good honeypot for debian? |
| 09:04.09 | fyrestrtr | Skrot_: lsof, maybe. |
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| 09:09.09 | Trewas | Skrot_: linux doesn't handle disconnection a live filesystem very gracefully. however if the mount is stuck the load caused by that should be only "phantom" load, the process would like to write to the device but since it isn't there the process is not actually doing anything |
| 09:10.08 | Skrot_ | okay |
| 09:10.17 | Skrot_ | something else must be causing 7.X load then :) |
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| 09:11.46 | Trewas | Skrot_: that phantom load will show up in the real load numbers, see if top or ps is showing processes in D state |
| 09:12.21 | Skrot_ | It's D |
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| 09:14.28 | Trewas | those will increase the load without actually being real load :) |
| 09:14.55 | Trewas | reboot is the easiest way to get rid of them, process in D state cannot be killed |
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| 09:16.56 | jaski | Hi there, I'm running an unmodified 2.6.8-3-686 kernel. dmesg lists 1 PnP card, " Card 'AZT1022 PnP SOUND DEVICE'" but cat < /dev/sndstat says "no soundcards" and that the sound devs and mixers are "NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG." Question: Does "CONFIG" refer to an actual config file? |
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| 09:19.17 | cydork | jaski: that means modules are not loaded. try /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 09:24.21 | jaski | cydork: where can I see the result of "modprobe snd-pcm-oss?" |
| 09:24.38 | Skrot_ | How is Linux with Core 2 Duo btw? |
| 09:25.21 | jaski | cydork: Aren't the alsa modules in the 2.6.x kernel, anyway? |
| 09:26.05 | Skrot_ | jaski: lsmod | grep snd-pcm-oss |
| 09:26.48 | jaski | Skrot: lsmod gave no output |
| 09:27.00 | Skrot_ | Then it probably aint loaded |
| 09:27.10 | Skrot_ | lsmod | grep snd |
| 09:27.29 | jaski | Skrot: it's the last line in my /etc/modules |
| 09:27.48 | cydork | jaski: did you run alsaconf? |
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| 09:28.13 | AntiG | hi |
| 09:28.39 | AntiG | i have one problem: i must change the key map |
| 09:28.44 | AntiG | i have try this http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36 |
| 09:29.02 | jaski | cydork: trying alsaconf ... |
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| 09:29.18 | AntiG | but it doesn't work |
| 09:29.20 | AntiG | s |
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| 09:29.51 | cydork | jaski: did you read /msg dpkg alsa one-liner ?? |
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| 09:30.15 | cydork | !tell AntiG about keymap |
| 09:31.24 | AntiG | cydork: i have just try it |
| 09:31.31 | AntiG | but it doesn'tworks |
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| 09:31.38 | macko | Hej |
| 09:31.39 | AntiG | maybe i must restart ? |
| 09:31.46 | jaski | cydork: Yes, I've done what it suggested. My elderly h/w has one EISA slot and hwinfo lists 3 entries for the azt1022 |
| 09:33.04 | cydork | jaski: so now does alsamixer works? |
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| 09:34.17 | jaski | cydork: alsaconf says "no supported PnP or PCI cards found - I'll try probing for legacy ISA stuff. alsamixer says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" |
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| 09:36.19 | jaski | cydork: alsaconf suggests 8 drivers, but the ad1816a is not listed |
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| 09:36.52 | cydork | jaski: which are the other ones? |
| 09:37.06 | yaarg | hrm what's the best way to kill all ssh connections? |
| 09:37.51 | jaski | cydork: This'll take a little time ... |
| 09:37.55 | EdLin | yaarg: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
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| 09:38.23 | EdLin | yaarg: or, if you're talking about a client running on your end rather than the server, "killall ssh" |
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| 09:38.52 | yaarg | i don't think restart will work like you think |
| 09:39.07 | yaarg | i.e. i just restarted the daemon but i'm still connected |
| 09:39.10 | yaarg | :P |
| 09:39.12 | cydork | yaarg: it depends on you are on client or server |
| 09:39.43 | EdLin | yaarg: then try killall, your message wasn't specific enough for me to know if you meant client or server |
| 09:40.26 | yaarg | kill all ssh connectiosn connected to the server |
| 09:40.41 | EdLin | yaarg: "killall", not "kill all" |
| 09:40.46 | yaarg | cydork: not really surely you can just do it on a port basis |
| 09:40.49 | yaarg | i know how to use killall |
| 09:41.04 | yaarg | i guess i can just use iptables |
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| 09:41.43 | jaski | cydork: opl3Sa2, cs423{6,2}, cs4231, es18xx, es1688, sb16 and sb8 |
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| 10:03.08 | fyrestrtr | yaarg: shutdown the ssh server. |
| 10:03.13 | fyrestrtr | that'll kill it. |
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| 10:03.26 | SerajewelKS | fyrestrtr: no it won't |
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| 10:03.27 | yaarg | that's stupid |
| 10:03.35 | fyrestrtr | it won't? |
| 10:03.36 | yaarg | tcpkill is the solution |
| 10:03.48 | SerajewelKS | fyrestrtr: sshd forks new connections |
| 10:03.57 | yaarg | and it's bad just to kill stuff! |
| 10:04.02 | simonrvn | run who and kill the relevant pids |
| 10:04.05 | fyrestrtr | oh .. that could be interesting. |
| 10:04.15 | yaarg | it's inelegant not to mention innapproiate |
| 10:04.41 | simonrvn | it's bad to kill -9, kill -15/-TERM is ok, lets the process clean up after itself |
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| 10:10.07 | fyrestrtr | guys, is there an alternative to microsoft money, other than gnucash? |
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| 10:11.43 | simonrvn | there's some eqonomi{z,s}e thing i saw |
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| 10:11.46 | simonrvn | kde thingy |
| 10:12.39 | fyrestrtr | are you sure it not something like kash? KDE programs seem to like the letter k |
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| 10:14.06 | benderz0r | after the last kernel update in sid 17-2 I've had an unbootable system, I've worked through all of the errors created and I'm down to one that I can't solve |
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| 10:14.30 | benderz0r | if grub points to the kernel /boot/kernelwhatever root=/dev/hde1 |
| 10:14.50 | benderz0r | then during boot the hde (normal allocation) becomes hda |
| 10:15.06 | benderz0r | though if I change /dev/hde1 to hda1 during boot it becomes hde again |
| 10:15.22 | benderz0r | and just keeps hanging at begin: waiting for root file system... |
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| 10:15.31 | benderz0r | and the google results on that arent overly usable for me :| |
| 10:15.44 | benderz0r | any help would be great as I want my system back up and running tonight if possible |
| 10:15.45 | simonrvn | sounds like devices are getting switched around. try using UUID instead |
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| 10:16.05 | benderz0r | I saw a guide to that, is there really not an easier way? |
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| 10:16.19 | simonrvn | apt-get install volumeid; then run vol_id /dev/hde1 from a booted system |
| 10:16.27 | simonrvn | that's not exactly hard |
| 10:16.34 | benderz0r | by easier I mean cleaner, I change hdds around a lot |
| 10:17.05 | simonrvn | using the UUIDs is cleaner |
| 10:17.05 | benderz0r | and I just slap that into grub? or do I have to put it in fstab as well |
| 10:17.19 | simonrvn | yes do |
| 10:17.28 | benderz0r | kthx :) |
| 10:17.36 | benderz0r | I'll see how that goes |
| 10:17.37 | simonrvn | they're unique, and won't get switched around like device names |
| 10:19.22 | benderz0r | silly ubuntu taking ages to load :| |
| 10:19.31 | simonrvn | live cd? |
| 10:19.43 | benderz0r | indeed |
| 10:20.50 | simonrvn | that's what i hate about them. even on a fast dvd drive they're slower than hdd |
| 10:21.40 | benderz0r | indeed |
| 10:22.38 | benderz0r | I'd love if it was easy to tailer a live cd to your system easily, kind of one that already has only the hardware you know you have installed supported, and booted in like seconds with blackbox or some thing :P |
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| 10:22.51 | simonrvn | yeh, that would be nice |
| 10:23.24 | blackelf | can I chmod /dev/hda* to 000? |
| 10:23.28 | blackelf | and is it a good idea |
| 10:23.34 | blackelf | (ofcourse I will do root+rw while changing partition tables, writting GRUB and so on) |
| 10:23.35 | simonrvn | bit like a hdd snapshot copied to cd |
| 10:23.53 | fyrestrtr | benderz0r: you can create it using morphix |
| 10:23.57 | blackelf | so? |
| 10:24.25 | simonrvn | blackelf: yes. no. i'm wondering why you think you need to do that |
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| 10:25.09 | benderz0r | fyrestrtr: classy |
| 10:25.13 | blackelf | simonrvn: to increase security |
| 10:25.20 | benderz0r | grr volumeid is uninstallable via chroot and ubuntu doesn't have it :| |
| 10:25.33 | simonrvn | if the devices don't exist, how can that be any different? |
| 10:26.05 | blackelf | will debian preserve mychmod of /dev/hda* - or are thoes files recreated on boot? |
| 10:26.12 | blackelf | if recreated then by which script |
| 10:26.30 | simonrvn | and besides: the owner/group perms on them are root:disk/770 |
| 10:26.43 | simonrvn | no unless you have udev there |
| 10:26.53 | blackelf | I use udev I suppose |
| 10:27.40 | simonrvn | you suppose, or you know? dpkg -l '*udev*' does what? does it show ii or pn? |
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| 10:28.29 | blackelf | ii |
| 10:28.43 | blackelf | so it in installed, how to change the script that recreates it? |
| 10:29.15 | simonrvn | should be in /etc/udev; i'm warning you though, you might break stuff |
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| 10:30.29 | blackelf | simonrvn: thanks |
| 10:30.43 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 10:30.58 | blackelf | can I do cfdisk /dev/hda8 to create entire disc on that partition? with own partition table and own MBR |
| 10:31.16 | simonrvn | hda8 is a partition, not a disk |
| 10:31.20 | fyrestrtr | blackelf: no. |
| 10:31.21 | simonrvn | no |
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| 10:31.28 | blackelf | yes, i hope, let me finish: |
| 10:31.33 | blackelf | I want to use /dev/hda8 as a image of entire hard-drive that will work as a drive for qemu |
| 10:31.46 | simonrvn | why not use a sparse file? |
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| 10:32.06 | fyrestrtr | blackelf: why not just mount the image file somewhere else? |
| 10:32.17 | blackelf | simonrvn: I would rather use the partition |
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| 10:32.33 | blackelf | is that doable that way? for the Debian /dev/hda8 is some unformtated partition with random data |
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| 10:32.50 | simonrvn | ok; so do. i haven't used qemu in a *long* time, but IIRC you can use the part. as its disk |
| 10:32.52 | blackelf | for qemu -hda /dev/hda8 the hda8 is an entire hard drive with own MBR and partitions |
| 10:32.58 | blackelf | ok |
| 10:33.05 | simonrvn | it would use that as such IIRC |
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| 10:33.16 | simonrvn | but check the docs to confirm/deny |
| 10:33.26 | fyrestrtr | blackelf: you can't create a mbr and a separate partition table inside another disk. mbr and partition tables are tied to physical disks. |
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| 10:33.53 | blackelf | fyrestrtr: I am trying to prove you wrong |
| 10:34.05 | blackelf | fyrestrtr: as I said I will use it inside a virtual machine |
| 10:34.08 | simonrvn | yes, you can't do the mbr thingy, you can run qemu from the partition though, IIRC. like i said, check the docs |
| 10:34.49 | fyrestrtr | blackelf: a virtual disk it nothing but an image file, you don't need to mount it anywhere, or even format a disk for it. Its a file. |
| 10:34.59 | fyrestrtr | blackelf: but go ahead and prove me wrong anyway :) |
| 10:36.04 | simonrvn | s,prove,try to prove, |
| 10:36.05 | jaski | Bye now |
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| 10:37.42 | benderz0r | simonrvn: what package provides volumeid? as neither ubuntu or debian have a direct package for it |
| 10:39.26 | amphi | blackelf: you might be able to use hda8 if you boot an os installer with qemu -hda /dev/hda8 -cdrom foo.iso -boot d and let the installer 'partition' it, dunno, never tried such a thing |
| 10:40.39 | amphi | heh |
| 10:41.13 | amphi | blackelf: or just make a filesystem on the partition and create an image file on it |
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| 10:42.09 | blackelf | holly zoidberg! |
| 10:42.10 | blackelf | it worked |
| 10:42.50 | blackelf | well I am running qemu as a regular user which have rw access to /dev/hda8. all othe r/dev/hda* are chmod 000 so I am unable to screw anything up :) |
| 10:42.52 | amphi | blackelf: what did? |
| 10:45.16 | ph00 | why does my debian install use british spelling though I cose US English during install? |
| 10:45.19 | ph00 | chose |
| 10:45.39 | ph00 | (like "minimiSe window" etc) |
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| 10:49.43 | fyrestrtr | because its proper :) |
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| 11:00.57 | ion_bidon | any idea where I can find gcc cross compiler from i386 to ppc and from i386 to amd64 ? |
| 11:01.05 | Hoxzer | what was that option in xorg.conf that makes mouse not required on x boot? |
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| 11:02.07 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "boolean" |
| 11:02.13 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: from the manual page |
| 11:02.18 | Hoxzer | tarzeau: :) lets see |
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| 11:03.35 | Overand | tarzeau: you're painfully helpful. do you know that? |
| 11:03.55 | Overand | You make lots of us look bad =] |
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| 11:04.38 | kryptoz | Hi guys. |
| 11:04.47 | javiolo | how can I format a tape ? |
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| 11:05.08 | kryptoz | I am installing debian in my laptop. Its showing now "connection to security.debian.rg" |
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| 11:07.29 | kryptoz | i don't want it to fetch anything from internet now. What can i do to make this stop |
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| 11:09.36 | magnet | any op? [nuRiye] is spamming for porn |
| 11:10.29 | EdLin | magnet: use "!ops" |
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| 11:10.47 | magnet | no need :) |
| 11:10.49 | magnet | héhé :) |
| 11:10.52 | RichiH_ | magnet: thanks |
| 11:10.56 | magnet | np |
| 11:11.54 | EdLin | kryptoz: press control-c |
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| 11:15.10 | kryptoz | okay thanx EdLin |
| 11:15.20 | kryptoz | I thought soo just like i do in yum |
| 11:15.22 | EdLin | kryptoz: np |
| 11:15.53 | EdLin | I'm sure you'll find apt-get much better than yum. :-) |
| 11:16.17 | kryptoz | I am sure i will be. I already use ubuntu in one of my machine :d |
| 11:16.43 | cydork | kryptoz: aptitude is better than apt-get :) |
| 11:17.11 | kryptoz | so this time when i checked in google, i saw that debian has good reputation with dell710m .. so i thought i will have this |
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| 11:17.58 | kryptoz | cydork: will first try apt-get once i get the feeling of how it is i will ponder the options :) . Thanx for the suggestion :) |
| 11:18.13 | DevilChaos | hi folks is there a room on here that handles emulaters as i forgot to ask the last time i was here? |
| 11:18.21 | Mike_kayaker | I have etch on my new toshiba lapy |
| 11:18.32 | Mike_kayaker | mint |
| 11:18.37 | DevilChaos | sweet what laptop is it? |
| 11:18.48 | Mike_kayaker | m50 series |
| 11:18.50 | kryptoz | http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~alexr/i710m/ <- i was reading this |
| 11:18.56 | Mike_kayaker | widescreen |
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| 11:19.04 | DevilChaos | silver? |
| 11:19.05 | kryptoz | I am installing debian 3.1 sarge |
| 11:19.16 | DevilChaos | etch etch etch |
| 11:19.28 | Mike_kayaker | agree!! |
| 11:19.40 | Mike_kayaker | (*_*) |
| 11:19.49 | minerale | ugh |
| 11:20.00 | minerale | someone kline nichsrev |
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| 11:20.56 | DevilChaos | whats the deal with /server read 1 as it says i have a message then wont let me read it |
| 11:20.56 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 11:20.56 | Mike_kayaker | debian 4.0/etch released in Dec |
| 11:21.00 | liable | !ops NichSrev |
| 11:21.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: liable complains about: NichSrev |
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| 11:21.03 | EdLin | !ops NichSrev is spamming the channel |
| 11:21.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: edlin complains about: NichSrev is spamming the channel |
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| 11:21.47 | JJ|Laptop | NichSrev: lol |
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| 11:23.49 | DevilChaos | bbl |
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| 11:34.19 | Hoxzer | :E eh, I have "Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"" in ServerFlags section in xorg.conf and I'm still getting errors like "no core pointer" and x wont start |
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| 11:42.08 | sussi | try to setup your mouse correctly |
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| 11:47.43 | Hoxzer | sussi: I dont use mouse ... |
| 11:49.37 | mlux | hi there .. i want to perform a network installation and also want to boot the netinst-image from a usb-stick .. for that i need a file named "boot.img.gz" .. where do i get it? |
| 11:52.05 | simonrvn | benderz0r: volumeid: /sbin/vol_id |
| 11:52.26 | simonrvn | read what i say more carefully |
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| 11:53.06 | blackelf | it worked nicelly |
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| 11:53.26 | blackelf | on /dev/hda15 I have entire hard disc, with several own partitions (including FreeDOS) and own MBR |
| 11:54.10 | blackelf | the virtual freedos/linux is runned in qem |
| 11:54.12 | blackelf | qemu |
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| 11:54.25 | Hoxzer | lol... |
| 11:55.28 | blackelf | it works :) |
| 11:56.01 | Hoxzer | ...aargh |
| 11:56.37 | blackelf | lolz, freeDOS have vim \o/ |
| 11:56.45 | blackelf | and doom \o/ |
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| 11:57.01 | blackelf | it is called.... doom3.exe lolz! |
| 11:58.08 | Hoxzer | zzz |
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| 11:58.29 | Hoxzer | "failed to initialize core devices |
| 11:58.49 | Hoxzer | that is pretty lol if I have set up "allowmouseopenfail" "true" |
| 11:58.50 | Hoxzer | ... |
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| 12:00.27 | cydork | Hoxzer: in which section have you added that? |
| 12:01.41 | SpComb | hmm |
| 12:01.49 | SpComb | nnscript users in #debian... does that work? |
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| 12:02.23 | Hoxzer | cydork: serverflags |
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| 12:04.04 | Clinton__ | Is anyone here familiar with cpufreqd? I'm receiving a "No cpufreqd socket found" error. Could the cause be a module not loaded? (cpufreq modules and p4-clockmod are all loaded, /etc/init.d/cpufreqd starts fine) |
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| 12:06.21 | cydork | Section "ServerFlags" |
| 12:06.21 | cydork | Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" |
| 12:06.28 | cydork | danm |
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| 12:07.28 | sussi | ...and what device do u use as input? |
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| 12:13.59 | jelly-home | Clinton__: are you trying to do that as normal user? |
| 12:14.34 | MrNaz | how do you test software raid arrays? mdadm --monitor /dev/md0 doesnt work i get: SparesMissing on /dev/md0 unknown device as an error message |
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| 12:15.38 | wide-eye | i've just converted my fileserver to debian, and i'm missing raid device nodes, how to enable permanently? |
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| 12:16.35 | botox | i have an interesting problem. the fellows at bacula have no idea so im trying my luck in here. Basically, i can telnet into port 9103 over the network to my debian testing box, thus access baculas storage device, but when i try to connect via the bacula client to 9103, i get connection refused. |
| 12:16.43 | botox | all passwords are fine |
| 12:16.46 | jelly-home | Clinton__: if yes, verify that the user is in the correct group (remote_group in the config file) and that enable_remote=1 is uncommented |
| 12:16.49 | wide-eye | MrNaz: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 12:17.19 | botox | i cannot specify the dns 'name' for the storage device server, i have to specify the ip adress, otherwise, i cant access the port 9103 |
| 12:18.21 | jelly-home | botox: conflicting entries in dns or /etc/hosts? |
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| 12:19.18 | egarim | how could i remove a package and all his dependency ? |
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| 12:19.45 | mrx_ | hi all |
| 12:19.59 | botox | i thought so jelly-home but that is all ok |
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| 12:21.12 | botox | brb |
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| 12:21.41 | botox | bk |
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| 12:24.47 | egarim | how could i remove a package and all his dependency ? |
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| 12:25.04 | egarim | not only with apt-get remove |
| 12:25.14 | Ronin | synaptic and aptitgue |
| 12:25.20 | Ronin | or aptitude i mean |
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| 12:28.15 | mwarning | hi, I want to build a live cd, that's why I want do delete /usr/share/doc/ , is this a good idea or do I run into problems using apt-get (when I want to remater the cd again)? |
| 12:28.53 | kryptoz | debian cheated on me |
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| 12:29.13 | kryptoz | it hangs at one libc installation |
| 12:29.17 | kryptoz | :( |
| 12:29.28 | azeem | kryptoz: try to come up with a detailed error descriptin |
| 12:29.54 | kryptoz | i know. Its too late for me to try again today.... Will be back tomorrow |
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| 12:32.43 | masadd | i cant watch youtube videos...i installed flashplayer7 already...what else i need? |
| 12:33.26 | masadd | i cant watch some other sites too...like smartvideochannel.com |
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| 12:34.44 | rob | masadd: you may need to make sure your browser knows about the plug-in too |
| 12:35.18 | masadd | ic |
| 12:35.19 | zigkill | I have locales trouble on testing. I have tried to set up the system to use UTF, but when typing (bash) norwegian characters, they display only, and incorrectly for the last, after typing the second char. All locales are generated. |
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| 12:35.30 | masadd | but swf can be played... |
| 12:35.47 | masadd | i dont get errors that says flashplayer not present and such... |
| 12:35.59 | masadd | the movie just doesnt play...like if it is not loading... |
| 12:36.25 | wide-eye | masadd: could be a sound blocking thing, try aoss firefox |
| 12:36.26 | masadd | can u watch youtube videos? |
| 12:39.27 | wide-eye | or turn off everything using /dev/dsp |
| 12:39.27 | masadd | ok...was trying epiphany till now...i will try mozilla |
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| 12:39.28 | jsan | hi my frineds |
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| 12:39.28 | dimir | hi |
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| 12:39.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | Hello everyone :) |
| 12:39.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | Anyone knows an command equivalent of dd ? |
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| 12:39.29 | masadd | just turned off xmms...now it works...thanx... |
| 12:39.29 | SlayerXP | Ox0F0-0FF: what doesn't dd do that means you need an alternative? |
| 12:40.05 | jsan | when i try to print return this error |
| 12:40.06 | jsan | printing/printing.c:print_job_start(2297) |
| 12:40.07 | jsan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | dd doesn't work if i do dd if=/dev/acd0 of=/home/user/something |
| 12:40.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | I get a dd: /dev/acd0: invalid argument |
| 12:40.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | but it exists, I can see it |
| 12:40.46 | botox | Ox0F0-0FF, man dd |
| 12:40.56 | botox | Ox0F0-0FF, you need blocksize, count... |
| 12:40.58 | botox | perhaps |
| 12:41.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | even though |
| 12:41.05 | Ox0F0-0FF | it doesn't work |
| 12:41.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | It's a known issue on some versions of dd |
| 12:41.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | it's why I need a replacement |
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| 12:41.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | someone suggested in #freebsd cat /dev/acd0 > file |
| 12:41.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | why I'm trying now |
| 12:41.47 | botox | acd0? |
| 12:41.56 | botox | what device is that? cd drive? |
| 12:42.03 | Covener | Ox0F0-0FF: strace probably will show you that you're getting a bad return code on a read() on that device no matter what tool you use |
| 12:42.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | botox, originaly my question was generic, it's a bsd system |
| 12:42.17 | botox | oh ok |
| 12:42.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, it's a dvd drive |
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| 12:43.25 | botox | the cat method might work |
| 12:43.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | I hope it does |
| 12:43.50 | botox | Covener, is probably right |
| 12:44.24 | botox | Ox0F0-0FF, can you mount the dvd? |
| 12:44.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | I don't want to, I want an image of it |
| 12:44.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | but I'll try afterwards |
| 12:44.49 | botox | yeh, but can you mount it? |
| 12:44.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | right now the cat is working |
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| 12:45.09 | Ox0F0-0FF | a dvd is iso9660 ? |
| 12:45.55 | botox | udf |
| 12:45.59 | Covener | Ox0F0-0FF: or UDF, file -s will tell you |
| 12:46.03 | botox | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.26 | botox | brb |
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| 12:50.07 | tijn_ | if a user needs SCP only, how can i jail them to their home folder? |
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| 12:52.31 | disasm | I'm running sarge, gdm keeps hanging (black and white screen with circular waiting icon and doesn't come up) any ideas? |
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| 12:55.33 | tarzeau | disasm: yeah i've also had gdm issues on stable |
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| 12:55.40 | tarzeau | disasm: can you try/use wdm? |
| 12:56.06 | disasm | tarzeau: i'm using xdm currently |
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| 12:56.55 | kakume | i'm trying to set up a caching dns server for processing DNS requests on my local network. my local network does not have its own domain, I just need to set something up to forward requests to my isp's dns servers, then cache the requests. how do I do this? |
| 12:57.06 | disasm | tarzeau: I'm not too worried about it on my machine, problem is the other 50 or so machines running debian stable, if this is a bug introduced by a recent update, well could be disastrous |
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| 12:58.02 | wide-eye | kakume: dnsmasq is pretty easy and fast |
| 12:59.44 | cydork | kakume: or you can even use pdnsd |
| 12:59.54 | Mnabil | hello, i 've gcc4 and i install gcc 2.95, how can i use the gcc 2.95 to run the menuconfig of da kernel 2.4.x ? |
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| 13:01.08 | stew | Mnabil: "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-2.95 make menuconfig" |
| 13:01.17 | osofaux | is there a way to view the processor speed in debian? |
| 13:01.25 | stew | osofaux: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:01.31 | osofaux | ah that's it thanks |
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| 13:02.33 | Mnabil | stew, thanks alot |
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| 13:05.33 | kristalino | what it the best tool (GUI) for accessing windows2003 shared ressources ? |
| 13:05.51 | kristalino | Linneightbh,smb4k, anything else? |
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| 13:06.42 | tarzeau | !for x |
| 13:06.45 | dpkg | All real programs run in a tty. If you want a program "for X", then put "xterm -e" in front of it. E.g., mail reader for x = "xterm -e mutt". |
| 13:06.48 | kakume | ok, i've installed dnsmasq, and set the listen interface, but it still isn't working. I can resolve domain names from the computer this is installed on, and I can ping this computer from the network, but dns requests go unanswered |
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| 13:07.56 | wide-eye | kakume: hosts.allow? |
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| 13:08.49 | kakume | wide-eye: what? i dont see that in the config file anywhere |
| 13:09.02 | wide-eye | kakume: /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 13:09.05 | osofaux | what is the best firewall for debian? |
| 13:09.19 | wide-eye | kakume: not part of dnsmasq |
| 13:10.24 | kakume | wide-eye: so, what do I put there? the hosts I want to allow to be resolved by this server, or the hosts i want to allow to make the requests? |
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| 13:11.16 | wide-eye | hosts.deny blocks hosts from connecting, if you have an ALL:ALL in there that is |
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| 13:12.18 | wide-eye | if it's empty then everyone can connect to it, unless you have an iptables firewall |
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| 13:12.45 | kakume | wide-eye: that's not it. i put ALL:ALL into hosts.allow, restarted and it still doesn't work |
| 13:12.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:12.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 13:13.32 | woroski | do i have to format a new drive partition after using cfdisk to create the partition? |
| 13:13.42 | wide-eye | kakume: can you paste your dnsmasq.conf someplace? |
| 13:13.54 | tarzeau | woroski: you write a filesystem onto a partition |
| 13:14.25 | woroski | tarzeau: is that a function within cfdisk? |
| 13:14.40 | tarzeau | woroski: no, it comes with mkfs.* |
| 13:14.56 | woroski | yeah, now i remember. |
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| 13:15.04 | tarzeau | woroski: actually it's possible to write filesystems into regular files, or onto a whole harddisk without partitions |
| 13:15.42 | woroski | tarzeau: in this case, my is a new drive and i want to divide it into partitions. |
| 13:17.00 | tijn_ | if a user needs SCP only, how can i jail them to their home folder? |
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| 13:18.28 | cyzie | can debian install in itanium2 box? |
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| 13:19.00 | sep | !ia64 |
| 13:19.00 | dpkg | i heard ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 13:19.38 | sep | cyzie, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:19.43 | kakume | wide-eye no, i really can't. the machine it's on doesn't have a gui, and my network is all gummed up right now because i'm trying to get THIS working |
| 13:19.56 | woroski | is rsync the right tool to duplicate a copy of a system in the partition of one drive to the partition of another drive? |
| 13:20.05 | kakume | this computer is not that computer |
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| 13:20.39 | tijn_ | woroski: dont think so |
| 13:20.50 | tijn_ | dd is better for this purpsoe |
| 13:20.54 | tijn_ | purpose* |
| 13:21.05 | kakume | but all i changed from the default was define the listen interface |
| 13:21.07 | wide-eye | kakume: ok, did you set any of the listen_interface options in dnsmasq.conf? |
| 13:21.16 | wide-eye | to what? |
| 13:21.18 | sep | woroski, rsync is the tool if you need to run it several times each time copying over some new changes. otherways i'd look at tar or cp. or perhaps dd or even a spesific filessytem clone program liek xfs_dump and xfs_restore |
| 13:21.25 | kakume | my internal interface, eth1 |
| 13:21.27 | woroski | dd? dd if=source partition of=dest partition? |
| 13:21.42 | kakume | i also disallowed requests from eth0 |
| 13:22.29 | wide-eye | kakume: do you have nmap on a client? |
| 13:22.29 | kakume | yes |
| 13:22.35 | wide-eye | can you see if the port is open |
| 13:22.37 | wide-eye | ? |
| 13:22.48 | kakume | it'd be 55, right? |
| 13:22.50 | cyzie | tahnks sep |
| 13:23.05 | woroski | tijn_: dd if=source partition of=dest partition? do i have to specify bs=4096? |
| 13:23.41 | kakume | er, 53 |
| 13:23.44 | tarzeau | woroski: i'd even say 4096k |
| 13:24.02 | tarzeau | albeit 1024k is fast enough |
| 13:24.05 | cyzie | !ia64 |
| 13:24.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon, it is NOT ia64 |
| 13:24.11 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/ubercopy/ |
| 13:24.34 | woroski | tarzeau: how to do dd with verbose to report the progress? |
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| 13:24.59 | tarzeau | woroski: use sdd and send it signals |
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| 13:25.05 | kakume | hm. it appears to be closed. what would cause that? |
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| 13:25.27 | tarzeau | woroski: or use wmhdplop to monitor activity |
| 13:25.28 | faw | a |
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| 13:25.28 | woroski | sdd, got to read up on that first. something new. |
| 13:25.43 | tarzeau | woroski: same like dd, but can tell you how far it is on some signals |
| 13:25.57 | tarzeau | woroski: and doesn't fail as easy as dd on hw issues |
| 13:26.22 | wide-eye | kakume:iptables -L show drop by default? |
| 13:26.28 | woroski | no man entry for sdd. so have to install it first. |
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| 13:27.41 | woroski | tarzeau: is wmhdplop gui-based? |
| 13:28.00 | cydork | hehe my gf asked me about something doesn't work, i just sent her the factoid for don't work :) |
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| 13:28.38 | jetscreamer | send her ask also |
| 13:28.38 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 13:28.42 | cydork | jetscreamer: good idea :P |
| 13:28.46 | woroski | send her ass? |
| 13:29.08 | kakume | wide-eye it just has what looks like the default rules, where there INPUT FORWARD and OUTPUT are all set to ACCEPT, but they dont have anything in them |
| 13:29.13 | woroski | come on, be on topic, otherwise you will get stewed. |
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| 13:29.36 | woroski | :D |
| 13:29.57 | cydork | woroski: gotcha :P |
| 13:30.01 | kakume | and shorewall isnt installed |
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| 13:31.28 | tarzeau | woroski: yes |
| 13:31.36 | kakume | this should be SO SIMPLE. i just want to forward DNS requests! shouldn't this just work by default? |
| 13:31.44 | wide-eye | kakume: ok, that's not it, dos "lsof -i | grep dnsmasq" have the right ip? |
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| 13:31.58 | wide-eye | kakume: did you mix up eth0 and eth1 ?? |
| 13:32.40 | jetscreamer | udev has done that |
| 13:32.51 | jetscreamer | before to somebody i mean |
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| 13:33.05 | jessy | hi, anyone know where can i find the macbook keyboard layout ? |
| 13:34.37 | stefano | Hello everybody. Sid on amd64, trying to copy datas on a Lacie Firewire external disk. After some time it starts giving errors and resets the unit, so I have to unmount and remount. And cannot end with the copy. Here the message: http://pastebin.ca/170217 |
| 13:34.39 | Hoxzer | lul |
| 13:35.28 | Hoxzer | HUMMM |
| 13:35.37 | cydork | jessy: check http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook i belive they have some info about that |
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| 13:35.48 | wide-eye | kakume: you might try setting just except-interface=eth1 in dnsmasq.conf |
| 13:36.36 | jessy | yep i checked it out cydork... |
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| 13:37.46 | woroski | tarzeau: have you tried wmhdplop? i get a tiny window with blobs of colors. how to use? |
| 13:38.19 | tarzeau | woroski: i have packaged wmhdplop |
| 13:38.29 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'd like the new directories which are created via ftp to be chmod'ed to 775 automatically. What value of "umask" option should I give to my ftp daemon? |
| 13:38.33 | tarzeau | woroski: blobs of different colors mean read and write |
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| 13:39.30 | woroski | tarzeau: the window is only about half-inch square. and can't be resized. |
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| 13:40.35 | tarzeau | woroski: it's a "dockapp" |
| 13:40.52 | woroski | what does that mean? |
| 13:41.00 | tarzeau | woroski: meant to be used like here: http://florida.ethz.ch/textedit.png |
| 13:41.02 | mlux | hi there .. how do i change the console font to a smaller size? |
| 13:41.09 | tarzeau | woroski: it means, it should be docked to the dock |
| 13:41.23 | tarzeau | mlux: in vga textmode? using svgatextmode |
| 13:41.26 | tarzeau | with fb, using fbset |
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| 13:42.05 | woroski | tarzeau: ok, i think i'll learn to use sdd. |
| 13:42.17 | mlux | thanks..i'll try |
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| 13:42.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified......... <== anyone please ? |
| 13:43.10 | jelly | hid3: the inverse... 002 |
| 13:43.11 | Hotwire | Ox0F0-0FF: you need to tell apt to trust their key |
| 13:43.31 | karsten | Ox0F0-0FF: See /topic. |
| 13:43.36 | k31th | i need to change to a different user from root. wats the command?? |
| 13:43.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | ok, thanks |
| 13:43.38 | k31th | su ? |
| 13:43.42 | karsten | k31th: su |
| 13:43.53 | buggarage | Ox0F0-0FF: or import their key! |
| 13:43.55 | k31th | karsten: su username ? |
| 13:43.58 | karsten | Ox0F0-0FF: Key ID 1F41B907 |
| 13:44.01 | karsten | k31th: RTFM |
| 13:44.26 | k31th | iv rtfm |
| 13:44.35 | karsten | k31th: RTFMH |
| 13:44.37 | k31th | and im doing wat the fm says however. its not working |
| 13:44.48 | karsten | k31th: post command and output. |
| 13:45.22 | k31th | karsten: if i su - username |
| 13:45.30 | k31th | it seems to work |
| 13:45.34 | k31th | if i type id |
| 13:45.39 | k31th | it still says im root |
| 13:45.41 | abrotman | whoami |
| 13:46.12 | k31th | abrotman: root :( |
| 13:46.22 | karsten | k31th: What's the user's login shell? |
| 13:46.36 | k31th | /bin/fasle |
| 13:46.39 | k31th | false |
| 13:46.41 | k31th | DOH |
| 13:46.42 | abrotman | uhm ... |
| 13:46.47 | karsten | k31th: if it's nonexecutable or /bin/false, you need to specify the command. |
| 13:46.49 | karsten | ;-) |
| 13:46.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | Where do I find what I have to set in gpg --export ? |
| 13:46.58 | karsten | ... or anything not in /etc/shells. |
| 13:47.00 | k31th | Ok i didnt just say the last 10 lines :D |
| 13:47.00 | abrotman | or specify a shell with -s |
| 13:47.20 | karsten | Ox0F0-0FF: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key <keyid> |
| 13:47.24 | buggarage | Ox0F0-0FF: it's all explained on their home-site! |
| 13:47.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | karsten, I have done this |
| 13:47.40 | karsten | Ox0F0-0FF: ... then 'gpg --export ...' as dpkg tells you. |
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| 13:47.49 | DrCurl | hi |
| 13:47.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, it didn't.... or I didn't see it |
| 13:48.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 13:48.38 | jetscreamer | yeah, that's normal.. |
| 13:48.43 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 13:48.56 | jetscreamer | but then it gives more |
| 13:48.58 | kakume | facking wierd...ok, when i do a netstat -an it shows that i am listening on port 53, but i show the port as being closed. it also does not matter what I put as the interface, the behavior is the same |
| 13:49.12 | jetscreamer | 53 is dns |
| 13:49.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | okay, I'll paste then |
| 13:49.16 | jetscreamer | if that helps |
| 13:49.30 | jetscreamer | (iirc L( ) |
| 13:49.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | http://pastebin.ca/170244 |
| 13:50.17 | DrCurl | I installed etch, and dri isn't working. Here is the error I get when I type glxinfo: ERROR! sizeof(I830DRIRec) does not match passed size from device driver |
| 13:50.18 | DrCurl | libGL warning: 3D driver returned no fbconfigs. |
| 13:50.26 | DrCurl | What should I do? |
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| 13:50.53 | karsten | kakume: tcp or udp? |
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| 13:51.31 | jetscreamer | DrCurl: what driver/vidcard |
| 13:51.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, How do you test it ? |
| 13:51.36 | jetscreamer | not that i know anything |
| 13:51.55 | DrCurl | jetscreamer: intel chipset, i810 |
| 13:51.55 | kakume | tcp and udp |
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| 13:52.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | http://pastebin.ca/170244 <=== So no idea about that gpg thing ? |
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| 13:53.41 | jetscreamer | DrCurl: i dunno if it will help, but ftp://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/i810.4.html |
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| 13:54.45 | buggarage | what's that "couldn't mmap at 0xbe00000, len 1048576, got mapping at 0xa7ccf000 insteadensure_space: failed to validate soandso@ bytes at mem_address@" thing with cmucl, am i starting it wrong ? |
| 13:55.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | Nevermind, I think I found... |
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| 13:55.19 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: I do a netstat -an on the dns server, it shows listening 0.0.0.0, 0.0.0.0* 53, one for tcp, another for udp. i've also tried both the TCP syn scan and connect scan and the UDP scans using nmap |
| 13:55.20 | knoxy | how to upgrade backports packages to dotdeb? backports haven't a php5-pear and I need it.. :( |
| 13:55.41 | DrCurl | thanks jetscreamer |
| 13:55.54 | kakume | the packets just never make it back to the originating computer. i see no traffic from the dns server, but it can still be pinged |
| 13:55.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, firewall ? |
| 13:56.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | can you do it from the machine ? |
| 13:56.05 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: there is not one installed |
| 13:56.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | like.... telnet 127.0.0.1 53 |
| 13:56.28 | junix|work | where is the cgi-bin directory ? |
| 13:56.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, did you install bind or something ? |
| 13:56.34 | junix|work | in /var/www/? |
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| 13:56.35 | junix|work | right |
| 13:56.57 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF yes, but then i uninstalled it |
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| 13:57.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm |
| 13:57.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, netstat -putan |
| 13:57.25 | Ox0F0-0FF | see what program runs it |
| 13:57.36 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: i cannot ping FROM the dns server |
| 13:58.53 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: it is dnsmasq that is listening |
| 13:59.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm |
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| 13:59.19 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: i do not have any firewall installed on either computer |
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| 13:59.33 | jfletcher | anyone know a ratDVD player for Linux? |
| 13:59.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | It's a dns proxy |
| 13:59.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, apt-get remove dnsmasq |
| 13:59.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | as easy as 123 |
| 14:00.01 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: thats what im HOPING it will be at the end of this... |
| 14:00.37 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: what should i install in its place? |
| 14:00.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, depends your needs |
| 14:00.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | want a dns server ? |
| 14:01.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | I'm not sure what you want |
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| 14:01.48 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: i just need something to cache dns responses from the ISP and allow the computers on my LAN to use those requests |
| 14:02.00 | cydork | kakume: check http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/390 |
| 14:02.01 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF: basically, i want this to be a router |
| 14:02.05 | Ox0F0-0FF | dnsmasq then |
| 14:02.09 | mauricio | hi everyone, I got a problem with my system clock, everytime I turn on my computer the clock is 4 hours minus than the real time |
| 14:02.12 | Ox0F0-0FF | apt-get install dnsmasq :P |
| 14:02.22 | kakume | i did but it doesnt work |
| 14:02.32 | kakume | i've been trying to get it to work for an hour |
| 14:02.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | I think it does... did you configure it ? |
| 14:02.37 | kakume | yes |
| 14:02.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | did you read the documentation ? |
| 14:02.50 | kakume | yes |
| 14:03.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | If really you have issues, uninstall it and install bind as a dns cache |
| 14:03.11 | kakume | binnd doesnt work either |
| 14:03.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | wrong |
| 14:03.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | bind works fine |
| 14:03.38 | kakume | i tried both bind and bind9 before i tried dnsmasq |
| 14:03.43 | Ox0F0-0FF | but since you had this dnsmasq binding on port 53, bind couldn't work |
| 14:03.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | well |
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| 14:03.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | rtfm then |
| 14:03.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | bind works perfectly |
| 14:04.06 | Ox0F0-0FF | I use it for years |
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| 14:04.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | It does work, I guarantee it |
| 14:04.29 | ttl- | hi |
| 14:04.34 | SlayerXP | Windows XP works perfectly, I've used it for year |
| 14:04.34 | kakume | ...i have been. i followed tfm to the letter, and I get the same results as im getting here |
| 14:04.48 | ttl- | i have a prob with dist-upgrade |
| 14:04.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | Windows doesn't work, I used it for years |
| 14:05.02 | ttl- | output on http://channels.debian.net/paste/3738 |
| 14:05.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | :P |
| 14:05.45 | jetscreamer | nothing works |
| 14:05.56 | kakume | the only thing windows works with is broken microsoft shit |
| 14:06.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, actually jetscreamer is right, let's power off the whole internet and give up on this stupid "computing" technology |
| 14:06.17 | abrotman | kakume: what doesn't work ? |
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| 14:06.22 | kakume | but then again, debian is not blowing my skirt up here either |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | kakume: i use bind for windows boxen |
| 14:06.54 | Ronin | abrotman: anything good up there? |
| 14:07.17 | abrotman | Ronin: treetrunk |
| 14:07.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | damn.... debian-multimedia.org doesn't have VLC ? only VLS ? |
| 14:07.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | uhh |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | vlc is in debian |
| 14:07.27 | Shadowcat | kakume == a girl? |
| 14:07.32 | abrotman | dunno? |
| 14:07.39 | Shadowcat | because otherwise abrotman's just sick |
| 14:07.43 | Shadowcat | then again, we alreaday knew that |
| 14:07.48 | abrotman | kakume: does it route? |
| 14:07.49 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, where is vlc ? |
| 14:07.54 | abrotman | !info vlc sid |
| 14:07.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | I didn't see it |
| 14:07.57 | Shadowcat | kakume: payal me $100 and I'll get it working for you in no time |
| 14:07.58 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 14:08.04 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.6-svn20060911.0.8.5-1-svn.debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 5555 kB, Installed size: 14836 kB |
| 14:08.07 | abrotman | whee! |
| 14:08.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | hummm |
| 14:08.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | I use etch |
| 14:08.13 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in etch |
| 14:08.13 | dpkg | abrotman: I think you lost me on that one |
| 14:08.18 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 14:08.18 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 14:08.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | !info vlc etch |
| 14:08.26 | kakume | i have no damn money, and im not letting you anywhere near my computers |
| 14:08.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm |
| 14:08.29 | Ox0F0-0FF | I see |
| 14:08.53 | cydork | kakume: try pdnsd. it works for sure.. so to coming to anything :P |
| 14:09.16 | cydork | s/so to/so now/ |
| 14:09.17 | abrotman | i don't think it's his dns server |
| 14:09.31 | abrotman | he's tried two already .. that normally work out of the box |
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| 14:09.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | vlc is only 2 days old. It must be 10 days old to go in. <=== means in 8 days... |
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| 14:09.57 | Ox0F0-0FF | ? |
| 14:10.05 | cydork | abrotman: ya i tried dnsmasq somedays back. it worked |
| 14:10.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | he might be firewalled |
| 14:10.51 | wide-eye | kakume: do you have anything uncommented in hosts.deny? |
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| 14:11.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, What's between you and the machine you try to install the dns service on ? (answer me "a keyboard" and I slap you) |
| 14:11.11 | wide-eye | kakume: or any other services that do work? |
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| 14:12.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, do a iptables -L |
| 14:12.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | just to see... |
| 14:12.56 | kakume | iptables is empty |
| 14:13.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | did you actually perform the command I just told you to ? |
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| 14:13.43 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: roughly .. if no RC bugs are found |
| 14:13.50 | Supaplex | iptables-save is more verbose (traverses all chains) |
| 14:14.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, Yeah, as usual... :) ok, thanks |
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| 14:14.16 | kakume | yes. it has Chain INPUT, FORWARD,OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT) but there seems to be no entries in it at all |
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| 14:15.08 | kakume | and between the network and this computer is nothing, just the switch |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | kakume: from your windows box .. nslookup www.google.com <ipofrouter> |
| 14:15.46 | ttl- | i can't aptitude dist-upgrade, could anybody help me out with this please |
| 14:16.11 | abrotman | paste the error |
| 14:16.13 | abrotman | not here |
| 14:16.13 | kakume | abrotman: no response. the packets go out, but they dont come back |
| 14:16.14 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:16.14 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:16.19 | ttl- | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3738 |
| 14:16.30 | abrotman | kakume: where are they going ? |
| 14:16.50 | kakume | i am looking at the packet capture in wireshark. there is <nothing> coming back at me when i do nslookup |
| 14:17.35 | kakume | abrotman: you got me man....the lumineferous ether maybe? |
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| 14:18.50 | Supaplex | cydork: deadly toxic :p) |
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| 14:19.04 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, can you even ping the server ? |
| 14:19.12 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF yes |
| 14:19.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | can the server ping the client ? |
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| 14:19.53 | Tallu | Uhm. I want to set up a static ip for my box. "ifconfig eth0 inet xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx up" the correct way to do this? and how would i set the gateway? |
| 14:20.15 | kakume | cydork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_aether |
| 14:20.23 | cydork | Tallu: man interfaces |
| 14:20.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | Tallu, man ifocnfig |
| 14:21.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | s/ifocnfig/ifconfig |
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| 14:21.41 | cydork | kakume: oh that .. i was misguided by word "luminous" :P |
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| 14:22.48 | jessy | plop |
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| 14:23.11 | kakume | so, Ox0F0-0FF, the fact that i have no entries in iptables isnt a problem is it? i mean, does it work without me explicitly giving permission to everything? |
| 14:23.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | I think iptables is open by default |
| 14:23.50 | peppet | kakume: yes, with default policy |
| 14:24.37 | peppet | kakume: (ACCEPT) |
| 14:25.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm. |
| 14:25.19 | abrotman | kakume: i mean .. are they being routed out? |
| 14:25.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, What would be a solution for me to get vlc _now_ (I need it to test a vlc streaming server) ? |
| 14:25.45 | kakume | yes |
| 14:26.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | abrotman, get the package from site and install it manually ? |
| 14:26.09 | abrotman | Ox0F0-0FF: /msg dpkg simple sid backport .. or grab the package and then grab dependencies .. or use pinning |
| 14:26.31 | Ox0F0-0FF | Thanks abrotman |
| 14:26.33 | kakume | Ox0F0-0FF ok, so i have two remaining odd problems, which i think may point to the underlying issue. one is that even though i am listening, packets are not getting through, and 2, i can ping the dns machine, but it can't ping anything else on the network |
| 14:26.34 | Ox0F0-0FF | :) |
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| 14:26.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm |
| 14:26.56 | kakume | what can i check to try and resolve these? |
| 14:27.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | kakume, the dns machine can ping you ? |
| 14:27.07 | kakume | no |
| 14:27.12 | kakume | but i can ping it |
| 14:27.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | Are you firewalled ? |
| 14:27.25 | kakume | no |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | route -n |
| 14:27.41 | Ox0F0-0FF | netstat -r |
| 14:27.45 | jfletcher | does anyone know of a ratDVD port to linux? |
| 14:27.56 | jfletcher | or a codec that xine or somthing can use |
| 14:28.18 | kakume | destination 192.168.0.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 nmask 255.255.255.0 eth1 |
| 14:28.37 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:28.37 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:28.43 | kakume | destination 24.121.8.0.....blah blah blah.....eth0 |
| 14:28.45 | abrotman | kakume: paste the whole thing |
| 14:28.46 | Ox0F0-0FF | What is your ip, what is the dns ip ? can the ddns ping something else on the net ? |
| 14:29.01 | kakume | i cant....it's cli right now with no mouse |
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| 14:29.16 | kakume | i can ping things off the internet fine |
| 14:29.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | route -n > somefile |
| 14:29.23 | jfletcher | upload a log then. |
| 14:29.24 | peppet | kakume: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all |
| 14:29.26 | abrotman | kakume: does the router have lynx/links ? |
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| 14:29.49 | ttl- | abrotman: did you look at the aptitude output ? |
| 14:30.15 | kakume | peppet: 0 |
| 14:30.24 | kakume | abrotman: yes |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | ttl-: i did .. i'm not sure what you think is wrong with it |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | kakume: route -n > somefile .. then use links and pastebin.ca |
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| 14:31.07 | kakume | the final line in route -n is 0.0.0.0 24.121.8.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:31.17 | abrotman | ttl-: ignore .. i read the first half |
| 14:31.39 | mauricio | hi everyone, I've a problem with the clock of mi laptop, when i halt it i turn it on again the time it's always 4 hours before the real time |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | ttl-: this is on sid ? |
| 14:31.47 | abrotman | !find pyversions sid |
| 14:31.53 | ttl- | abrotman: no on etch |
| 14:31.58 | abrotman | !find pyversions etch |
| 14:32.06 | abrotman | grr .. stupid bot |
| 14:32.25 | abrotman | ttl-: apt-get install python |
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| 14:32.53 | abrotman | ttl-: did you mix sources ? |
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| 14:34.01 | cydork | ttl-: you are dist-upgrading from? |
| 14:34.26 | cydork | !info python sid |
| 14:34.32 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.3-11 (sid), Packaged size: 136 kB, Installed size: 532 kB |
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| 14:35.04 | ttl- | abrotman: no i did not mix sources, here is my sources list http://channels.debian.net/paste/3739 |
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| 14:35.25 | ttl- | abrotman: apt-get -f install python ? |
| 14:35.48 | ttl- | cydork: from etch to etch |
| 14:36.10 | abrotman | ttl-: if it works .. i'm not sure it will |
| 14:36.55 | ttl- | abrotman: it says i should try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
| 14:37.03 | abrotman | lovely :) |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | try it .. i doubt it will work any better than before |
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| 14:37.47 | ttl- | abrotman: apt-get -f install givers also errors |
| 14:37.51 | ttl- | -s |
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| 14:37.58 | ttl- | grr -r |
| 14:38.02 | ttl- | sorry |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:38.26 | abrotman | ttl-: same errors ? |
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| 14:38.57 | ttl- | abrotman: python-minimal conflicts with python (<= 2.4-1) |
| 14:38.57 | ttl- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.05 | mauricio | i think it may be because time it's not correctly saved when i turn off the computer |
| 14:39.08 | ttl- | i will paste the output |
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| 14:39.51 | stew | ttl-: use aptitude for better dependency resolution |
| 14:39.57 | ttl- | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3740 |
| 14:40.08 | abrotman | stew: that's how he got in this mess :) |
| 14:40.16 | ttl- | stew: hey stew, thanks for your help yesterday |
| 14:40.26 | cydork | ttl-: remove python and try again, i dont know if that might help |
| 14:40.36 | stew | abrotman: its not fair to make apt-get fix it, then, let aptitude fix its own mess :P |
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| 14:41.13 | havran | hi |
| 14:41.25 | ttl- | stew: i'm having a similar prob on another machine but it seemsaptitude can't fix it |
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| 14:41.57 | ttl- | cydork: with apt or with aptitude |
| 14:41.59 | ttl- | ? |
| 14:42.04 | cydork | ttl-: aptitude |
| 14:42.17 | ttl- | cydork: purge ? |
| 14:42.33 | cydork | ttl-: no just remove should be enough. |
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| 14:42.42 | abrotman | if he removes python .. lots of stuff will go away |
| 14:42.44 | SR|Brunelleschi | hi there, I'm giving a demo of schroot and debootstrap at the local LUG tonight. I've set up approx to cache the packages (thereby avoiding too much dramatic suspense) - I've got etch-amd64, sid-amd64, and I'm getting etch-i386 and sid-i386... anything else that would be worth fetching? |
| 14:42.44 | ttl- | cydork: k i'll try |
| 14:43.03 | havran | i have troubles with neomagic xorg driver. xterm is scrolling very slow. i have already patched a driver, but nothing changed. i am using debian testing |
| 14:43.05 | cydork | abrotman: i know but i cant think of anyother option :P |
| 14:43.21 | abrotman | cydork: manually extract python .. put pyversions in /usr/bin/ |
| 14:43.42 | ttl- | cydork: fails |
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| 14:43.57 | stew | ttl-: you cannot install both python and python-minimal, run "apt-get install python python-minimal-" |
| 14:44.00 | ttl- | cydork: i tried it apt-get too but also failed |
| 14:44.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | sounds like kakume disappeared |
| 14:44.07 | stew | ttl-: that '-' at the end is required |
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| 14:44.08 | kakume | no im still here |
| 14:44.13 | stew | !conflicts python-minimal |
| 14:44.13 | kakume | im just stumped |
| 14:44.19 | dpkg | python-minimal: python (<= 2.4-1), python-central (<< 0.5.5) |
| 14:44.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | What about the paste ? |
| 14:44.28 | stew | oh wait, that's a versioned conflict |
| 14:44.31 | kakume | which one? |
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| 14:44.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | the route thing |
| 14:44.48 | stew | ttl-: nevermind me |
| 14:44.48 | cydork | ttl-: what are the errors this time? |
| 14:44.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | that you where supposed to paste\\ |
| 14:45.07 | stew | i still vote for the aptitude frontend to solve this |
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| 14:45.20 | stew | and i vote for another espresso for stew |
| 14:45.25 | ttl- | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3741 |
| 14:45.57 | kakume | well, i typed out everything that was in the file |
| 14:45.59 | Covener | Anyone know of a X11/mouse breakage in unstable? Rebooted recently and now thinkpad trackpoint or usb mouse not working, works ootb from a live CD. ctime in /var/cache/apt/archives doesn't point to any likely culprits. struck out with bts for xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 14:46.16 | cydork | ttl-: what were the errors with aptitude when tried to remove python? |
| 14:46.18 | kakume | i have nowhere to put the file, and no way to copy and paste |
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| 14:46.35 | abrotman | stew: it's bombing because it can't find pyversions |
| 14:46.42 | ttl- | cydork: one sec... |
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| 14:47.16 | abrotman | Covener: i think it was a udev issue |
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| 14:47.37 | abrotman | Covener: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383701 |
| 14:47.40 | stew | and pyversions is in the python package |
| 14:47.43 | SR|Brunelleschi | silly question... I installed a new etch-amd64 machine for a friend of mine the other day, and he seems to be taking advantage of DiffIndex/.pdiffs - but my machine doesn't seem to in etch-amd64, but does in sid-amd64. I used the d-i beta3 installer, do you think maybe that had some newer-than-etch packages? |
| 14:47.51 | SR|Brunelleschi | (netinst cd, that is) |
| 14:48.00 | Covener | abrotman: thanks a bunch |
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| 14:48.44 | abrotman | SR|Brunelleschi: did you turn off the pdiffs ? |
| 14:48.48 | cydork | SR|Brunelleschi: check if you have Acquire::Pdiffs "false" in your apt.conf |
| 14:49.27 | SR|Brunelleschi | I didn't turn them off, but I'll go look. if it isn't set, would they be on or off by default? |
| 14:49.38 | stew | ttl-: try temporarily removing python-gnome2 maybe |
| 14:49.46 | stew | since that's actually what's complaining |
| 14:50.02 | SR|Brunelleschi | I don't have an apt.conf (and I only have apt.conf.d/70debconf) |
| 14:50.04 | Supaplex | !lart python |
| 14:50.07 | abrotman | SR|Brunelleschi: i'd think on .. but who knows what those wacky DDs do :) |
| 14:50.08 | ttl- | cydork: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3742 |
| 14:50.20 | SR|Brunelleschi | abrotman: lemme check my apt version |
| 14:50.27 | abrotman | ttl-: "Score is -47" ? |
| 14:50.53 | abrotman | /usr/share/python/runtime.d/python-gnome2.rtupdate: line 4: pyversions: command not found |
| 14:50.54 | SR|Brunelleschi | only seems to know about apt 0.6.45 |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | put the stupid pyversions program there |
| 14:51.08 | abrotman | !info apt etch |
| 14:51.10 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.45 (etch), Packaged size: 1373 kB, Installed size: 4216 kB |
| 14:51.11 | SR|Brunelleschi | apt 0.6.45 for linux amd64 compiled on Jul 26 2006 23:21:18 |
| 14:51.13 | ttl- | abrotman: i just started using aptitude it give you different solutions with a different score... |
| 14:51.27 | abrotman | ttl-: i don't want a score .. i want it fixed :) |
| 14:51.27 | ttl- | abrotman: i took the first |
| 14:51.33 | ttl- | :) |
| 14:51.47 | SR|Brunelleschi | same version in sid??? |
| 14:51.49 | ttl- | stew: i'm goint to try to remove python-gnome2 maybe |
| 14:51.50 | SR|Brunelleschi | !info apt sid |
| 14:51.52 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.45 (sid), Packaged size: 1373 kB, Installed size: 4216 kB |
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| 14:53.19 | ttl- | stew: trying to remove python-gnome2 gives me again a lot of output and failing |
| 14:53.31 | cydork | ttl-: aptitude remove ’~python’ :) |
| 14:53.36 | ttl- | stew: i tried to remove it with aptitude |
| 14:53.49 | ttl- | cydork: lol |
| 14:54.21 | abrotman | ttl-: paste the results of `ls /var/cache/apt/archives/python*` |
| 14:54.31 | ttl- | abrotman: ok |
| 14:54.44 | cydork | s/python/npython/ |
| 14:55.00 | abrotman | get a job! |
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| 14:55.20 | ttl- | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3743 |
| 14:55.26 | cydork | abrotman: actully i do have one :P |
| 14:55.43 | Covener | abrotman: working after downgrade & reboot, thanks again |
| 14:56.07 | SR|Brunelleschi | abrotman: any thoughts on other things I could do with debootstrap for my demo? |
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| 14:56.36 | SR|Brunelleschi | I was thinking I might create some pristine chroots and then demo schroot's template facility |
| 14:56.56 | abrotman | ttl-: cp /var/cache/apt/archives/python_2.4.3-11_all.deb /tmp/ && cd /tmp/ && ar x python_2.4.3-11_all.deb && tar -zxf data.tar.gz |
| 14:57.04 | abrotman | Covener: enjoy! |
| 14:57.16 | abrotman | Covener: actually .. thank greycat .. he had the same issue the other day :) |
| 14:57.41 | abrotman | ttl-: done yet? |
| 14:57.53 | ttl- | abrak: sorry is was getting a glass of water |
| 14:58.05 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 14:58.13 | ttl- | :) |
| 14:58.19 | ttl- | abrotman: done :) |
| 14:58.20 | SR|Brunelleschi | the other thing that I was thinking might be interesting was controlling services from outside of a chroot |
| 14:58.33 | abrotman | ttl-: ls /tmp/ .. do you see a usr/ directory ? |
| 14:59.00 | ttl- | abrotman: yes |
| 14:59.07 | abrotman | ttl-: cd /tmp/usr/bin/ |
| 14:59.12 | abrotman | ttl-: see a pyversions there ? |
| 14:59.24 | ttl- | abrotman: yes |
| 14:59.26 | SR|Brunelleschi | I was wondering whether I should use a wrapper script in /etc/init.d that does something like "schroot -p -c sid-amd64 /etc/init.d/somedaemon $@" |
| 14:59.36 | abrotman | ttl-: cp /tmp/usr/bin/pyversions /usr/bin/pyversions |
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| 15:00.12 | SR|Brunelleschi | or whether I should copy the init script from the chroot into the "parent"'s init.d directory, and use start-stop-daemon's --chroot option? |
| 15:00.29 | ttl- | abrotman: cp: cannot stat `/tmp/usr/bin/pyversions': No such file or directory |
| 15:00.43 | abrotman | you just said it was there! |
| 15:01.06 | abrotman | is it there or not? |
| 15:01.21 | SR|Brunelleschi | the other concern is things like multiple copies of mysql... it's init script has a fallback stop method that does "killall -9 mysqld" if it thinks it's dead |
| 15:01.27 | dareth | Anyone here getting an error number: 0x80190193 when trying to update a windows client thru a squid proxy? |
| 15:01.32 | SR|Brunelleschi | however, that would take out any other mysqlds that were running, no? |
| 15:01.35 | ttl- | abrotman: there is no tmp |
| 15:01.41 | ttl- | oops |
| 15:01.45 | abrotman | ttl-: you have no more /tmp/ ? |
| 15:01.48 | stew | dareth: wrong channel |
| 15:01.57 | dareth | which channel??? |
| 15:02.06 | abrotman | !!! |
| 15:02.07 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 15:02.19 | stew | dareth: /msg nickserv list #win* |
| 15:02.19 | abrotman | ttl-: where'd your /tmp/ go ? |
| 15:02.24 | ttl- | abrotman: i'm in /tmp/usr/bin |
| 15:02.24 | stew | dareth: maybe there is an #xp, i dunno |
| 15:02.30 | dareth | I try squid channel |
| 15:02.31 | SR|Brunelleschi | (hmm... no channel in PATH... ;)) |
| 15:02.44 | abrotman | ttl-: is there a pyversions there or not ? |
| 15:03.01 | stew | dareth: err not nickserv, chanserv |
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| 15:03.02 | SR|Brunelleschi | ttl-: why not do a find in /tmp and grep for pyversions? |
| 15:03.40 | ttl- | nova:/tmp/usr/bin# ls |
| 15:03.41 | ttl- | pdb pydoc pygettext pyversions |
| 15:03.56 | abrotman | ttl-: cp pyversions /usr/bin/pyversions |
| 15:04.33 | abrotman | ttl-: done? |
| 15:04.43 | SlayerXP | I need to rebuild a debian kernel package with one kernel option tweaked. what's the correct procedure for doing so? |
| 15:04.51 | ttl- | strange |
| 15:04.57 | abrotman | dont' say that! |
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| 15:05.02 | ttl- | pyversions -> ../share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:05.07 | abrotman | argh |
| 15:05.19 | ttl- | it's a symbolic link |
| 15:05.20 | SR|Brunelleschi | abrotman: huh? |
| 15:05.28 | cydork | SlayerXP: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 15:05.28 | SlayerXP | "debuild -us -uc" just gives me the same kernel, of course. |
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| 15:05.43 | abrotman | ttl-: cp ../share/python/pyversions.py /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
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| 15:05.58 | abrotman | ttl-: ln -s /usr/bin/pyversions /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:06.11 | abrotman | erm .. did i get that backwards ? |
| 15:06.11 | stew | someone is going to reportbug when this is all done, right? |
| 15:06.16 | abrotman | stew: you are! |
| 15:06.17 | cydork | SlayerXP: also check /msg dpkg kp-mantra |
| 15:06.20 | abrotman | NMU NMU NMU! |
| 15:06.25 | abhi_ | what is the best bit-torrent client ? |
| 15:06.29 | stew | abrotman: you did get it backwards |
| 15:06.30 | SlayerXP | cydork: thanks |
| 15:06.32 | SR|Brunelleschi | !best |
| 15:06.32 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | ttl-: i got it backwards .. ln -s /usr/share/python/pyverions.py /usr/bin/pyversions |
| 15:06.51 | ttl- | abrotman: done |
| 15:07.00 | abrotman | ttl-: ls -l /usr/bin/pyversions |
| 15:07.21 | stew | they should have named it python-pyversions.py |
| 15:07.26 | stew | more py! |
| 15:07.28 | abrotman | stew: i did this upgrade last night with no issues |
| 15:07.31 | abhi_ | help pls... |
| 15:07.33 | ttl- | abrotman: i've done both |
| 15:07.40 | abrotman | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=385307 |
| 15:07.43 | SR|Brunelleschi | abhi_: see !best. |
| 15:07.46 | ttl- | so i remove the first symlink |
| 15:07.56 | stew | i finally upgraded my 2 month stale sid machine last night |
| 15:07.56 | abrotman | ttl-: ls -l /usr/bin/pyversions |
| 15:08.06 | abhi_ | SR|Brunelleschi : what |
| 15:08.09 | stew | i haven't gotten lilo to work yet though so i can't reboot |
| 15:08.10 | ttl- | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2006-09-14 17:07 /usr/bin/pyversions -> /usr/share/python/pyverions.py |
| 15:08.21 | SR|Brunelleschi | abhi_: """Please define what you mean by "best"""" |
| 15:08.22 | abrotman | ttl-: say a prayer .. try to dist-upgrade again |
| 15:08.23 | stew | for some reason its hanging up on a non-existant /dev/sdb |
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| 15:08.38 | ttl- | oh |
| 15:08.43 | ttl- | abrotman: ok |
| 15:08.58 | abhi_ | SR|Brunelleschi : having a good gui and faster |
| 15:09.14 | SR|Brunelleschi | abhi_: well, "azureus" is quite popular. requires java 1.5 though. |
| 15:09.48 | SR|Brunelleschi | I only use it (sparingly) because I'm lazy. |
| 15:09.52 | abhi_ | SR|Brunelleschi : I have tried azureus but it was not working properly. it stops |
| 15:10.04 | SR|Brunelleschi | "stops" ? |
| 15:10.44 | abhi_ | it show some notification on right bottom side and stops working |
| 15:10.47 | SR|Brunelleschi | if you just want a simple cli (ncurses) client, consider bittornado. |
| 15:11.05 | ttl- | abrotman: errors |
| 15:11.09 | abhi_ | ok,, thanks |
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| 15:11.13 | SR|Brunelleschi | has a few niceties over the standard bittorrent package's btdownloadcurses |
| 15:11.13 | ttl- | abrotman: i'll paste output ? |
| 15:11.18 | abrotman | sure :) |
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| 15:11.25 | ttl- | abrotman: ok |
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| 15:11.37 | SR|Brunelleschi | abhi_: see "man btdownloadcurses" after you've installed bittornado |
| 15:11.58 | abhi_ | ok |
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| 15:13.06 | Ronin | geek ;) |
| 15:13.20 | ttl- | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3744 |
| 15:13.49 | SR|Brunelleschi | Ronin: it's either that, or a *cough* *spit* *hack* BCS tshirt |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | ttl-: if you run `pyversions` .. what happens ? |
| 15:14.21 | ttl- | abrotman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2006-09-14 17:07 /usr/bin/pyversions -> /usr/share/python/pyverions.py |
| 15:14.28 | abrotman | no .. just run it :) |
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| 15:14.41 | Ronin | SR|Brunelleschi: or a normal shirt heh |
| 15:14.50 | SR|Brunelleschi | (hmm.. BCS gave me a naff tshirt with "our members go further" written on it, which sounds like a "pissing contest", and IET sent me a diary - something useful.) |
| 15:14.52 | khermans | anyone know a package that measures HDD read/write performance? |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | iostat |
| 15:15.04 | khermans | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:15.05 | abrotman | it's in some package .. |
| 15:15.09 | ttl- | abrotman: -su: pyversions: command not found |
| 15:15.22 | abrotman | ttl-: ls -l /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:15.34 | SR|Brunelleschi | Ronin: I don't have any shirts printed for the Computing Society yet ;) |
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| 15:15.44 | ttl- | abrotman: ls: /usr/share/python/pyversions.py: No such file or directory |
| 15:15.47 | khermans | abrotman, sysstat |
| 15:15.54 | abrotman | khermans: yep .. that's it |
| 15:15.57 | abrotman | ttl-: where'd it go!? |
| 15:16.18 | abrotman | ttl-: cp /tmp/usr/share/python/pyversions.py /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
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| 15:16.54 | abrotman | where'd jjazz go ... |
| 15:17.13 | Mnabil | how can i i control wget so as i can , download the file in a certain directory |
| 15:17.27 | ttl- | abrotman: cp: cannot stat `/tmp/usr/share/python/pyversions.py': No such file or directory |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 15:17.45 | abrotman | ls -l /tmp/user/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:18.32 | abrotman | erm .. /tmp/usr/ :) |
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| 15:18.49 | ttl- | abrotman: ls: /tmp/user/share/python/pyversions.py: No such file or directory |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | yeah .. /tmp/usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:19.49 | SR|Brunelleschi | I notice the debian polos (at least, in the UK) are kustom kit, but they don't seem to talk about embroidering on their site... how do I get them with logos on? |
| 15:19.59 | cydork | abrotman: didn't he jsut made a link? |
| 15:20.11 | abrotman | cydork: i meant the /tmp/user/ i typed :) |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | SR|Brunelleschi: cafepress has some stuff |
| 15:21.07 | cydork | abrotman: oh that na, i am too sleepy for that (at 4 pm) :) |
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| 15:21.19 | ttl- | i did ln -s ': ln -s /usr/share/python/pyverions.py /usr/bin/pyversions and ln -s /usr/bin/pyversions /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:21.35 | ttl- | then i removed the first one |
| 15:21.46 | cydork | ttl-: wtf? |
| 15:22.00 | Hal9001 | i have a raid1 hardware controller. is there any tool i can use to monitor the hard disks, so that i get notified if one of my mirrored array disks is dying? |
| 15:22.03 | abrotman | ttl-: you can't do both .. the first was wrong |
| 15:22.14 | ttl- | abrotman swithed target and link name |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | ttl-: cp /tmp/usr/share/python/pyversions.py /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:22.23 | ttl- | *switched |
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| 15:22.44 | abrotman | ttl-: then ls -l /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
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| 15:23.25 | ttl- | abrotman: there is no /tmp/usr/share/python/pyversions.py anymore |
| 15:23.38 | ttl- | abrotman: so i cant copy it |
| 15:23.46 | abrotman | you moved it? |
| 15:23.56 | abrotman | ttl-: cd /tmp/ && tar -zxf data.tar.gz .. try again |
| 15:23.58 | ttl- | abrotman: dunno it gone |
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| 15:24.49 | kevsthabest | hey guys,, whats a good alternative to kde/gnome (one that is easy to use and not bloated at all) |
| 15:24.58 | sepski | !wm |
| 15:24.58 | dpkg | it has been said that window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 15:25.32 | abrotman | kevsthabest: many like xfce .. go to xwinman.org .. find one you like |
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| 15:26.36 | kevsthabest | thanks i'll check it out |
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| 15:27.46 | abrotman | ttl-: better? |
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| 15:28.45 | dorky | How do I restart the installation process? I rebooted, and went to select the packages to install (I want "Desktop System" "Print Server" and "Mail Server") |
| 15:28.53 | abrotman | tasksel |
| 15:28.58 | ttl- | abrotman: there is no pyversions.py in data.tar.gz |
| 15:29.06 | abrotman | darn well should be |
| 15:29.31 | dorky | Then it got an error, which I think I was able to fix (by installing an updated kernel-image) (well, it seems to have worked) |
| 15:29.32 | ttl- | abrotman: nova:/tmp# tar -vzxf data.tar.gz | grep pyversions |
| 15:29.32 | ttl- | ./usr/bin/pyversions |
| 15:30.07 | dorky | But I don't know how to get back to that menu from the command prompt. and /sbin/unconfigured.sh is missing, so rebooting probably won't do me any good. |
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| 15:30.25 | cydork | dorky: <abrotman>: tasksel |
| 15:30.36 | abrotman | ttl-: moment .. |
| 15:30.49 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 15:31.02 | ttl- | abrotman: ok :) |
| 15:31.21 | dorky | Tasksel is indeed what I wanted. |
| 15:31.49 | dorky | By calling that directly, will later parts of the installation be skipped, leaving important things undone? |
| 15:31.52 | abrotman | ttl-: mkdir /tmp/python-minimal/ && cp /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-minimal_2.4.3-8_i386.deb /tmp/python-minimal/ && ar x python2.4-minimal_2.4.3-8_i386.deb && tar -zxf data.tar.gz && cp /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/pyversions.py /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:32.10 | abrotman | ttl-: whoops .. forgot a cd /tmp/python-minimal in there :) |
| 15:32.19 | [corn] | interest |
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| 15:32.29 | abrotman | ttl-: mkdir /tmp/python-minimal/ && cp /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-minimal_2.4.3-8_i386.deb /tmp/python-minimal/ && cd /tmp/python-minimal/ && ar x python2.4-minimal_2.4.3-8_i386.deb && tar -zxf data.tar.gz && cp /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/pyversions.py /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
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| 15:33.27 | cydork | abrotman: pyversions is not in python-minimal |
| 15:33.40 | dareth | clear |
| 15:34.33 | abrotman | cydork: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python-minimal&version=testing&arch=all |
| 15:34.33 | dareth | *SHOCK* ... BEEP BEEP BEEP... we got a pulse. |
| 15:34.33 | ttl- | abrotman: cp: cannot stat `/tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/pyversions.py': No such file or directory |
| 15:34.33 | dareth | Whew.. close one. |
| 15:34.33 | abrotman | ttl-: now this is pissing me off :) |
| 15:34.33 | ttl- | abrotman: sorry man |
| 15:34.34 | abrotman | ttl-: is there a /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/ ? |
| 15:34.34 | stew | ttl-: its in python, not python-minimal |
| 15:34.41 | abrotman | stew: p.d.o says otherwise |
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| 15:34.57 | stew | python: usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:34.59 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=testing&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=pyversions.py&searchmode=searchfiles |
| 15:35.01 | ttl- | abrotman: ls: /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/: No such file or directory |
| 15:35.19 | cydork | abrotman: do a apt-files search pyversions.py |
| 15:35.28 | abrotman | cydork: i don't have an etch box at work |
| 15:35.29 | ttl- | abrotman: ls: /tmp/python/usr/share/python/: No such file or directory |
| 15:35.58 | abrotman | cydork: do you have an etch box there? |
| 15:35.58 | cydork | abrotman: well i do and it's not in python-minimal, it's in python |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | he already did the pthon package |
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| 15:36.17 | abrotman | python |
| 15:36.34 | abrotman | so either p.d.o is out of date |
| 15:37.07 | cydork | abrotman: may be he screwed up something.. he could find it first time also you can see it it is in that tar.gz |
| 15:37.38 | abrotman | cydork: and the package i *just* got from p.d.o has it in python-minimal |
| 15:38.00 | cydork | abrotman: wht the fuck ? |
| 15:38.16 | simon23 | got problems with my sources list, can anyone tell me why apt-get update tells me ftp.de.debian.org has no etch/main Packages the same for contrib or non-free Packages !? (please - really have no clue) |
| 15:38.17 | abrotman | ttl-: cd /tmp/ && ls python* .. see a python-minimal/ directory ? |
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| 15:39.11 | abrotman | cydork: try it yourself .. get the package from p.d.o .. and extract it |
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| 15:39.33 | ttl- | abrotman: yes |
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| 15:39.52 | abrotman | ttl-: inside the python-minial directory .. is there a usr/ directory ? |
| 15:39.56 | jharrisonwk | how can I tell a module not to load during boot? |
| 15:40.04 | abrotman | !tell jharrisonwk about blacklits |
| 15:40.06 | abrotman | !tell jharrisonwk about blacklist |
| 15:40.14 | ttl- | abrotman: yes |
| 15:40.34 | ofer0 | !tell me about blacklist |
| 15:40.44 | cydork | abrotman: i just did and you are right.. |
| 15:40.56 | abrotman | ttl-: cd /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/ .. does that work ? |
| 15:41.16 | abrotman | cydork: i have tools .. and i'm not afraid to use them! |
| 15:42.16 | ttl- | abrotman: no there is only a doc and man dir in /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/ |
| 15:42.52 | abrotman | ttl-: let's try this again ... |
| 15:43.06 | abrotman | ttl-: rm -r /tmp/python-minimal/ |
| 15:43.12 | cydork | abrotman: this is amazing. dpkg -L says it's in python-minimal, apt-file list says other wise |
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| 15:43.21 | abrotman | cydork: apt-file update |
| 15:43.53 | ttl- | abrotman: ok /tmp/python-minimal/ is gone |
| 15:44.08 | cydork | !beer abrotman |
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| 15:44.19 | cydork | abrotman: i was thinking something is wrong :P |
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| 15:44.27 | abrotman | ttl-: mkdir /tmp/python-minimal/ && cp /var/cache/apt/archives/python-minimal_2.4.3-11_all.deb /tmp/python-minimal/ && cd /tmp/python-minimal/ && ar -x python-minimal_2.4.3-11_all.deb && tar -zxf data.tar.gz && cd /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/ && ls -l pyversions.py |
| 15:44.27 | SpComb | abrotman is the channel drunkard it seems |
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| 15:44.42 | abrotman | ttl-: is it there ? |
| 15:45.50 | ttl- | abrotman: YES ;) |
| 15:46.16 | abrotman | ttl-: cp .. cp is important .. cp /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/pyversions.py /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:46.37 | abrotman | and if it failed .. i'm going to have to shoot cydork |
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| 15:46.53 | cydork | abrotman: heheh :P |
| 15:47.22 | abrotman | ttl-: can you run `pyversions` now ? |
| 15:47.28 | abrotman | cydork: what do you get when you run `pyversions` ? |
| 15:47.38 | cydork | abrotman: usage |
| 15:47.41 | ttl- | abrotman: so i do: cp /tmp/python-minimal/usr/share/python/pyversions.py /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
| 15:47.46 | ttl- | ? |
| 15:47.49 | abrotman | ttl-: yep |
| 15:49.38 | ttl- | abrotman: run it with full path ? |
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| 15:50.22 | abrotman | ttl-: no .. pyversions should be in your path since the soft link is in /usr/bin/ |
| 15:50.28 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:50.29 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:50.33 | simon23 | how about some help with a sources.list for a newbie ? |
| 15:50.40 | simon23 | got problems with my sources list, can anyone tell me why apt-get update tells me ftp.de.debian.org has no etch/main Packages the same for contrib or non-free Packages !? (please - really have no clue) |
| 15:50.40 | Ronin | simon23: best just to ask your question |
| 15:50.42 | abrotman | simon23: pick another mirror |
| 15:50.42 | ttl- | abrotman: i removed the links |
| 15:50.48 | abrotman | ttl-: uhm .. ok |
| 15:50.51 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:51.16 | abrotman | ttl-: ln -s /usr/share/python/pyverions.py /usr/bin/pyversions |
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| 15:51.43 | ttl- | abrotman: ok |
| 15:51.50 | ttl- | abrotman: i'll try |
| 15:51.51 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: the kernel still autoloads the module |
| 15:52.04 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: then something else being loaded might depend on it |
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| 15:53.46 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: doubt it |
| 15:53.49 | abrotman | ttl-: anything good ? |
| 15:53.57 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: do you know how to tell the kernel not to load a certain driver? |
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| 15:55.15 | jfletcher | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4748292.stm?lsf |
| 15:55.24 | jfletcher | jesus christ. |
| 15:56.19 | ttl- | abrotman: i can run it |
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| 15:56.34 | abrotman | ttl-: can you do the aptitude dist-upgrade now ? |
| 15:56.46 | simon23 | how can i use a setup to create my sources.list?? |
| 15:56.50 | abrotman | jfletcher: old news .. and OT |
| 15:56.50 | ttl- | abrotman: ok |
| 15:56.54 | abrotman | simon23: apt-setup |
| 15:56.58 | simon23 | thanks. |
| 15:57.19 | simon23 | doesnt work... |
| 15:57.28 | abrotman | are you running etch/sid ? |
| 15:57.32 | abrotman | oh nm |
| 15:57.32 | simon23 | etch |
| 15:57.34 | ttl- | abrotman: it seems to go |
| 15:57.41 | abrotman | brain fart too :) |
| 15:57.45 | abrotman | ttl-: yay? :) |
| 15:57.49 | abrotman | simon23: use vi |
| 15:58.09 | simon23 | abrotman: dont know what servers to use... |
| 15:58.15 | ttl- | abrotman: no errors so far |
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| 15:59.40 | AMB | hi. does anybody know which unstable package contains files for /etc/X11/*? especially Xwrapper.conf |
| 16:00.07 | lord_rob | is there a tool that helps managing udev rules or do I need to manage them manually ? (for example there's this guide : http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html) |
| 16:00.30 | abrotman | he just goes? no thanks .. no nothing ? |
| 16:00.45 | abrotman | simon23: use .fr. or .se. or something besides .de. |
| 16:00.46 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 16:00.46 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 16:01.01 | Ono31 | hi i need help |
| 16:01.10 | Ono31 | x chat dont instaling |
| 16:01.13 | Ono31 | i get this error |
| 16:01.20 | Ono31 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:01.20 | Ono31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.28 | buggarage | which is the best way to setup artsd parallel to alsa ? i mean whenever i start some player which uses alsa, artsd keeps going on, i want it to quit when another application requests another sound-server, so is there a script or something like that or do i have to write one? |
| 16:01.34 | lord_rob | Ono31: use xchat from testing for the moment |
| 16:02.11 | AMB | buggarage, you have to teach your programs to use artsd i guess... some have plugins |
| 16:02.12 | lord_rob | Ono31: if you use aptitude, you can see this problem before attempting to install xchat |
| 16:02.26 | abrotman | Ono31: apt-get install xchat |
| 16:02.32 | abrotman | Ono31: are you on sid ? |
| 16:02.36 | buggarage | AMB: so for realplayer too ? |
| 16:02.50 | Ono31 | debian:/home/onur# apt-get install xchat |
| 16:02.50 | Ono31 | Reading package lists... Done |
| 16:02.50 | Ono31 | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 16:02.50 | Ono31 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 16:02.50 | Ono31 | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 16:02.50 | Ono31 | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
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| 16:02.59 | lord_rob | abrotman: I'm on sid and xchat/sid is not installable due to this missing dependency |
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| 16:03.31 | Ono31 | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 16:03.32 | Ono31 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:03.32 | Ono31 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.32 | Ono31 | E: Broken packages |
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| 16:03.35 | lord_rob | hehe |
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| 16:03.47 | lord_rob | Ono31: can you read ? |
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| 16:04.08 | Ono31 | lord_rob: ok no flood :) |
| 16:04.27 | lord_rob | yes but also that I told you what to do |
| 16:04.36 | AMB | buggarage, hm... i guess not. but doesn't mplayer play real media with win32 codecs? |
| 16:04.51 | Fox | Ono31: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=387063 |
| 16:05.51 | Ono31 | ok thanks Fox |
| 16:06.02 | lord_rob | nobody knows the answer to my question about udev rules ? I hate to tweak by hand when there's a debian way :) |
| 16:06.08 | fresch | how can i split a binary file into multiple parts? and later join these parts even on windows? |
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| 16:07.30 | naranha | my "applications" menu flickers in gnome, its unusable until i do killall -9 gam_server ... is there a solution for that? im using etch |
| 16:07.37 | buggarage | AMB: i think so, but didn't test it so far |
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| 16:07.54 | AMB | fresch, any archiver can do that i think... |
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| 16:08.46 | fresch | AMB, i looked at the tar, gzip manpages. however i found no hint as to how to split files |
| 16:09.12 | AndroidData | hi. I did apt-get install burn, popped in a blank cd, issued the command "burn -I -n ubuntu.iso", and it complained that I didn't insert a blank cd/dvd. so I went to mount the cd/dvd, but I can't mount it because there's a "bad superblock". any help? |
| 16:10.46 | keith80403 | fresch, Use the split command on Debian (man split.) Then, copy the files to a Windows partition (if using FTP be sure to specity BINARY transfers) then from a command prompt on Windows, type: copy /b xaa + xab + xac + xad originalfile |
| 16:11.15 | fresch | keith80403, cool, i'll try that |
| 16:11.23 | buggarage | AndroidData: tell burn where your dvd-writer device is |
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| 16:11.59 | keith80403 | fresch, Good, let me know if it works for you. I'll be online most of the day. |
| 16:12.16 | kevsthabest | anyone had any experience with a buslink R24S usb cdrom drive? |
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| 16:13.20 | AndroidData | how? |
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| 16:13.50 | AndroidData | it keeps giving me the error. I tried using -p /dev/hdb, just /dev/hdb... |
| 16:14.04 | ma3x | hello |
| 16:14.09 | ma3x | I am having problem with postfix |
| 16:14.22 | fresch | keith80403, my problem is, i downloaded debian isos. on my server. now the only machine that can burn dvds is a laptop. and that laptop is connected to the network via wlan. and it can't see the server, since the server drops all incoming packets. so i have to copy files from the server to the laptop via smb. i tried copying the whole 4GB image, but that failed with filesize to large. so now i want to try splitting |
| 16:14.23 | david_ | How to turn off only the eth0:0 interface ? |
| 16:14.38 | ma3x | when I attach a file and then try to send the email, I get the following two errors:Sep 14 18:16:06 ma3x postfix/postdrop[19601]: warning: uid=1000: Illegal seek |
| 16:14.38 | ma3x | Sep 14 18:16:06 ma3x postfix/sendmail[19600]: fatal: ma3x@ma3x.com (1000): queue file write error |
| 16:14.45 | ma3x | can you give me some hints please? |
| 16:14.45 | cydork | david_: ifdown |
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| 16:15.09 | david_ | cydork # ifdown eth0:0 |
| 16:15.10 | david_ | ifdown: interface eth0:0 not configured |
| 16:15.13 | david_ | ! |
| 16:15.19 | david_ | ifconfig shows it |
| 16:15.39 | rjent | could someone offer help on how to point my deb-testing notebook to a cups server through the gnome printer settings? |
| 16:15.53 | cydork | david_: ifdown -i eth0:0 |
| 16:15.58 | david_ | thanks |
| 16:16.11 | AMB | please, anyone... i lost my /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config... how do i fix it? |
| 16:16.26 | cydork | david_: na it's not -i |
| 16:16.58 | keith80403 | fresch, Is the ISO on the Linux filesystem or a Windows filesystem? |
| 16:17.13 | fresch | keith80403, linux |
| 16:17.15 | david_ | I see cydork |
| 16:17.42 | keith80403 | fresch, To split the bg file into 100 meg chunks, try this: cat bigfile.iso | split -b100m |
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| 16:18.20 | keith80403 | fresch, That should get around creating > 2 gig files on other systems. Anything can handle a 100meg file, or should be able to. |
| 16:18.52 | AMB | is my question that lame? |
| 16:19.01 | fresch | keith80403, i thought about splitting it into ~1GB files |
| 16:19.12 | keith80403 | fresch, Sure, up to you. |
| 16:19.29 | fresch | keith80403, trying it now, thanks |
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| 16:21.28 | js_ | which escape sequence is used for pageup/down? |
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| 16:22.24 | buggarage | AMB: try reinstalling, forcing, or purge and reinstall tha pack of interest :) |
| 16:23.16 | AMB | buggarage, sure, but which package is it? :) i don't want to reinstall the whole X.org |
| 16:24.07 | AMB | (god, managing an unstable debian system on a 256kB/s downlink is a chore) |
| 16:24.19 | buggarage | AMB: why xserver-xorg doesn't take that much time in debian, i would understand your claim if you were on gentoo though :) |
| 16:25.00 | AMB | at least i had no problem migrating to xorg 7.0 on gentoo :) |
| 16:25.35 | buggarage | AMB: i migrated too but then downgraded, cause i lost my xorg.conf lol |
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| 16:27.27 | AMB | buggarage, normally i use gentoo, but i'm installing debian on my laptop's friend |
| 16:27.35 | AMB | errr... friend's laptop |
| 16:28.01 | buggarage | AMB: even with 256 kb/s it's easy, try it |
| 16:28.50 | AMB | is it possible to tell aptitude to reinstall a package, or do i have to uninstall and install it manually? |
| 16:29.00 | buggarage | AMB: i use as of now genoo on chroot, have to install much and don't want to wait and wait untill all i want is there :) |
| 16:29.29 | cydork | AMB: try dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 16:30.42 | buggarage | right, x11-common |
| 16:31.13 | rubajat | hi, I need some advice concerning configuration of midi on my laptop.. |
| 16:31.15 | AMB | i guess i just have to uninstall everything related to x and start from scratch... |
| 16:31.28 | cydork | AMB: try what i said ^^ |
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| 16:31.55 | buggarage | AMB: try cydorks suggestion first, i catted Xwrapper.conf and it tells it belongs to x11-common |
| 16:32.31 | fresch | keith80403, ok, file has been split, copying now ^^ |
| 16:32.35 | kevsthabest | is there any packages i need to have to make a usb cdrom drive to function? |
| 16:32.42 | keith80403 | fresch, Good deal. |
| 16:32.54 | AMB | buggarage, well i didn't help |
| 16:33.06 | buggarage | AMB: then reinstall heh |
| 16:33.52 | buggarage | AMB: rather install x11-common again |
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| 16:34.32 | b00 | hello |
| 16:34.33 | cydork | AMB: wht happens if you run that? |
| 16:34.37 | b00 | any wget leech experts ? |
| 16:35.03 | AMB | cydork, basically nothing. no output, the file doesn't appear |
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| 16:35.25 | AMB | whatever. it didn't work anyway :) |
| 16:35.37 | AMB | (i mean the whole x system) |
| 16:36.14 | buggarage | AMB: do you mean it's due to version ? |
| 16:36.34 | cydork | AMB: that is bcause of md5sums. |
| 16:36.53 | cydork | AMB: touch a file of that name |
| 16:37.26 | AMB | wait a sec, i think i made that b**ch work... |
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| 16:39.50 | AMB | IT'S ALIVE! :) |
| 16:39.56 | qbit_wrk | AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 16:39.59 | disasm | someone was telling me about a tool to remote manage a network of debian machines (package wise). Has anybody heard of this, and if so, know the name of it? |
| 16:40.03 | AMB | now i gotta make a working xorg.conf :) |
| 16:40.17 | qbit_wrk | disasm, ssh? :D |
| 16:40.29 | disasm | qbit_wrk: yeah, that's what I use now ;-) |
| 16:40.46 | qbit_wrk | :P |
| 16:40.47 | disasm | qbit_wrk: I was looking more at something where I could upgrade say 100 machines at once ;-) |
| 16:41.44 | qbit_wrk | disasm, you could use expect ;) |
| 16:41.55 | psycodad | disasm: replicator or imagemaster or sth along these lines ? |
| 16:42.36 | cydork | disasm: is it a upgrade or a install? you can try clusterssh or dsh for running same command on multiple comps |
| 16:42.46 | buggarage | or systemconfigurator! |
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| 16:44.21 | Rinnt | does anyone here use Eclipse? |
| 16:44.22 | disasm | cydork: I currently have a cron.daily script that runs apt-get upgrade with -yqq, but every now and then, a machine has a hanging dpkg process, and someone was telling me there was a tool where you could batch upgrade machines that was made for debian/ubuntu, but I can't find it via google |
| 16:44.52 | disasm | psycodad: thats more for initial installs though, right? |
| 16:45.11 | AMB | buggarage and cydork , thx for hints :) |
| 16:45.29 | buggarage | AMB: np, your'e welcome |
| 16:45.33 | stew | disasm: unattended upgrades are a bad idea, downloading the upgrades with -d is not, however |
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| 16:46.37 | disasm | stew: I know, but would you really want to login to every machine after every new security update for 100 or so machines? |
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| 16:47.16 | disasm | stew: that's why I'm trying to find a better option |
| 16:47.20 | stew | disasm: no, but not as much as I don't want to fix 100 machines that were all broken by a bad upgrade |
| 16:47.51 | tvn | I am trying to decompress using tar in a dir full of *.tar.gz file , this command doesn't work well => for singlefile in ./*.gz ; do tar xzvf . ; done |
| 16:48.15 | stew | disasm: what about clushterssh or dsh? |
| 16:48.29 | disasm | stew: googling for those atm ;-) |
| 16:48.45 | cydork | disasm: they are in debian ;) |
| 16:48.46 | stew | disasm: they would let you perform 100 upgrades in parallel, but would still give you a chance to fix stuff if something goes wrong |
| 16:49.59 | psycodad | disasm: i had that exact thing on my screen 2 days ago while searching for replication software...i can't remember the name and just surfed all my history from firefox...sorry no luck ;-( |
| 16:50.00 | cydork | tvn: for singlefile in `ls *.gz|tr "\n" ""`; do tar xzvf $singlefile; done |
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| 16:50.14 | tvn | cydork: got it , thanks |
| 16:50.21 | disasm | psycodad: thanks for looking |
| 16:51.11 | psycodad | disasm: maybe you want to look at http://pfars.sourceforge.net/pfars.html it could help you.. |
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| 16:51.41 | psycodad | but its not the one i looked for....f*cking information fl00d.. |
| 16:51.48 | AMB | do you think it's wise to install xfce for a total linux newbie? or should i go for gnome? |
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| 16:52.20 | kevsthabest | xfce is pretty easy.. im no master and im having no issues with it:) |
| 16:52.41 | kevsthabest | my thinkpad 570 runs hek of alot smoother with it also |
| 16:53.10 | AMB | i like it because it's a generally a no-bulls**t desktop :) |
| 16:53.39 | cahoot | AMB: if you have a reasonably fast system and want peripherals to 'just work' I'd say gnome (no real knowledge of xfce though) |
| 16:53.47 | psycodad | AMB: i think if someone has a win background the best go is kde...but most people adopt to good windows managers more easily than we all think :-) |
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| 16:54.36 | AMB | i'm gonna teach that guy what linux is about: mounting and unmounting the cdrom every time you need it etc :) |
| 16:54.51 | ttl- | abrotman: are you still there |
| 16:54.54 | psycodad | let him decide what he likes most |
| 16:54.57 | kevsthabest | its all a matter of taking the time to get used to something new.. i went from Winxp to winxp with litestep to deb-gnome-kde and now xfce |
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| 16:55.33 | AMB | but wait, the choice is easy. xfce is smaller than gnome and kde and i got only 256 downlink |
| 16:55.57 | ttl- | abrotman: during aptitude dist-upgrade X crashed |
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| 16:56.44 | jack | disasm: cfengine ? |
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| 16:56.54 | disasm | AMB: doesn't matter, it's just the wm/dm |
| 16:57.10 | kevsthabest | ttl- : that happens when you upgrade from stable to testing i find.. i downloaded x-server-base i beilive and it worked afterwards (its one of those packages |
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| 16:58.18 | AMB | i guess he likes fooling around with stuff, so he'll install kde and gnome in no time. and i'm too lazy for that :) |
| 16:58.26 | ttl- | kevsthabest: it was not from stable but from etch to etch |
| 16:58.55 | kevsthabest | ah i c.. could still be the same issue;-) |
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| 17:00.36 | kevsthabest | anyone knows a good easy to setup webserver that supports php? |
| 17:01.08 | AMB | are there any other webservers than apache? :) |
| 17:01.16 | Daveman | yes |
| 17:01.18 | kevsthabest | lol |
| 17:01.25 | Daveman | unfortunately |
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| 17:01.38 | kevsthabest | im too lazy to play around with the config files:P |
| 17:01.54 | AMB | then go for M$ IIS :) |
| 17:02.04 | AMB | or whatever they call it |
| 17:02.21 | fresch | keith80403, copying works, it's slow as hell, but it works =) |
| 17:02.38 | disasm | M23 is what I was looking for ;-) |
| 17:03.38 | kevsthabest | bah i'll get apache.. curse anything windows!! |
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| 17:05.01 | keith80403 | fresch, Cool. Good luck with the recombination with copy /b |
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| 17:11.29 | DigitalStimulus | kevsthabest: are you looking for something that's easy now (setup and install, no learning) or easy later (maintenance and recovery) |
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| 17:12.13 | kevsthabest | well i dont plan on having a huge site. .just a small personal webpage for now.. so maintenance and recovery is a non issue. |
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| 17:12.39 | lord_rob | DigitalStimulus: I suppose that if he wanted easy now, he wouldn't be using debian :) |
| 17:12.50 | DigitalStimulus | well if you're running debian, i'd just `apt-get install` apache then replace what's in /var/www with your docs |
| 17:13.07 | AMB | hm.... how to make startx start X AND xfwm? :) |
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| 17:13.26 | DigitalStimulus | we run both IIS and apache here (i don't maintain the IIS servers). but when IIS goes down, it's pretty much a complete rebuild and reconfigure of every site |
| 17:13.45 | kevsthabest | im installing apache2 with php5 and mysql.. i'll see how i'll manage with those (i ran apache on windoze a couple of months ago) |
| 17:14.10 | DigitalStimulus | well after you install it it's ready to go :) |
| 17:14.12 | buggarage | AMB: i recommend you install gdm and configure your xsession from there |
| 17:14.48 | buggarage | s/configure/choose/ |
| 17:14.48 | disasm | AMB: and exec xfwm to .xsession (if .xsession doesn't exist, create it) |
| 17:14.59 | disasm | AMB: s/and/add |
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| 17:15.22 | DigitalStimulus | if you add your user to the www-data group, then `chmod -R g+w /var/www` you can dump files into the apache dir as your user |
| 17:15.24 | ttl- | did abrotman say when he would be back ? |
| 17:15.47 | kevsthabest | thanks for the tip:) |
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| 17:15.53 | DigitalStimulus | i *think* /var/www comes with www-data:www-data permissions |
| 17:16.02 | DigitalStimulus | if not, that's how i always set it |
| 17:16.09 | FarrisG | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.18 | DigitalStimulus | `chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www` |
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| 17:17.11 | ttl- | abrotman was trying to help me to fix my debian but during that X crashed and it took me a while to be able to install irssi to come back |
| 17:17.12 | DigitalStimulus | one day i will be able to afford a laptop that gets 9 hour battery life |
| 17:17.24 | DigitalStimulus | 1.5 to 2.5 hours is rediculous |
| 17:17.49 | kevsthabest | lol dont complain.. i got 34min of battery |
| 17:18.27 | DigitalStimulus | yea. i don't bring the AC adapter to work with me |
| 17:18.38 | abrotman | ttl-: hi |
| 17:18.49 | kevsthabest | i never take mine off the AC.. i dont bring my laptop anywheres because of the battery life |
| 17:18.49 | ttl- | abrotman: hi |
| 17:18.55 | abrotman | ttl-: x crashed? |
| 17:19.00 | DigitalStimulus | i have 2 batteries though, it's just a little annoying when i'm in the middle of a coding breakthrough when "battery warning" pops up |
| 17:19.02 | ttl- | abrotman: yes |
| 17:19.09 | abrotman | and what happens now ? |
| 17:19.31 | ttl- | abrotman: and aptitude got interupted |
| 17:19.39 | AMB | buggarage, nah. it's a strange laptop and it may happen that a dm refuses to start :) |
| 17:19.39 | abrotman | ok .. and when you run it again ? |
| 17:19.42 | kevsthabest | i can see it, i need to get my battery refit... 7 year old battery will cause problems |
| 17:20.05 | lord_rob | dpkg --configure -a and voilà problem fixed :) |
| 17:20.06 | ttl- | abrotman: so i did dpkg --configure -a |
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| 17:20.30 | abrotman | and now your computer hates you ? |
| 17:20.47 | ttl- | abrotman: when restarting X my mouse was not working anymore |
| 17:20.55 | Daveman | sup abrotman |
| 17:21.08 | DigitalStimulus | "if i knew then what i know now" (tm), i'd have shelled out an extra couple hundred dollars for longer battery life and a better video device |
| 17:21.09 | ttl- | abrotman: so i installed irssi to come back here |
| 17:21.24 | abrotman | Daveman: are you in kansas now? |
| 17:21.31 | abrotman | Daveman: uh .. hi :) |
| 17:21.32 | lord_rob | ttl-: are you using unstable ? |
| 17:21.33 | ttl- | abrotman: but installing irssi removed gnome |
| 17:21.38 | Daveman | abrotman, haha, no :P |
| 17:21.41 | buggarage | AMB: don't have the luck to own a laptop, but perhaps i should call that luck, i hear much complains about laptops |
| 17:21.43 | ttl- | lord_rob: etch |
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| 17:22.03 | kevsthabest | free laptop here.. so yeah.. begers and be choosers.. but i wish i wouldnt have to deal with a neomagic 4mg video card |
| 17:22.04 | abrotman | ttl-: uhm ... it probbly just removed the gnome metapackage |
| 17:22.04 | Daveman | abrotman, enjoying today's weather much? |
| 17:22.04 | lord_rob | ah could be the udev 0.100 problem coming here |
| 17:22.11 | abrotman | Daveman: you know .. i just got back from WI .. had five days of the same crap |
| 17:22.18 | ttl- | abrotman: i'm re-installing gnome with aptitude |
| 17:22.25 | Daveman | ahahaha, ... wait, not cool :\ |
| 17:22.25 | kevsthabest | laptops with debian? if you got a thinkpad your in heaven:) i had no issues with anything accept my usb cdrom drive |
| 17:22.26 | abrotman | ttl-: what mouse device are you using ? |
| 17:22.31 | abrotman | Daveman: no kidding |
| 17:22.34 | ttl- | abrotman: should i remove the symlink ? |
| 17:22.35 | Daveman | :( |
| 17:22.37 | Daveman | oh well |
| 17:22.42 | abrotman | ttl-: symlink ? |
| 17:22.45 | ttl- | abrotman: tty |
| 17:22.46 | AMB | buggarage, that one fell and hit the floor once so it makes it more "special" :) |
| 17:22.53 | abrotman | ttl-: is it a serial mouse ? |
| 17:22.55 | ttl- | abrotman: serial |
| 17:22.59 | abrotman | ewwwwwww |
| 17:22.59 | ttl- | abrotman: yes |
| 17:23.05 | abrotman | mousedev should still pick that up |
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| 17:23.44 | Daveman | :p |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | ttl-: moment .. work calls |
| 17:24.01 | ttl- | abrotman: oks |
| 17:24.05 | buggarage | AMB: i have a special radio-clock to wake up in the morning to make it work before alarm time lol |
| 17:25.59 | AMB | disasm, you meant ~/,xsession should contain just "exec xfwm4"? |
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| 17:27.10 | ttl- | so for serial mouse the device is /dev/ttys0 right ? |
| 17:27.34 | ttl- | its the first serial port |
| 17:27.58 | ttl- | i'm editing xorg.conf |
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| 17:29.07 | ttl- | or /dev/ttyS0 i think |
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| 17:29.59 | dusty_ | Hey guys I was thinking of making a cron script that basically ran "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" periodically, but im not aware of any way to automate apt-get (you usually have to specify Y or N?? any ideas? |
| 17:30.25 | marcels | dusty_, look at man apt-get |
| 17:30.36 | buggarage | dusty_: install apt-cron :) |
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| 17:30.41 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 17:30.54 | dhuv | I was wondering if anybody uses rblchecks with their spamassassin |
| 17:30.54 | abrotman | ttl-: ok |
| 17:31.04 | abrotman | ttl-: is mousedev loaded ? |
| 17:31.05 | RawSushi | Anyone know of a good how-to on getting mplayer set up in debian? |
| 17:31.31 | dusty_ | buggarage, sweet! |
| 17:31.33 | abrotman | !tell RawSushi about mplayer |
| 17:31.34 | dhuv | I am looking to setup spamassassin and wanted to find out which firewall changes I will need to make |
| 17:31.39 | dusty_ | marcels, im guessing your indicating --quiet? |
| 17:31.43 | dusty_ | and -y |
| 17:31.44 | dusty_ | :) |
| 17:31.50 | marcels | -y indeed |
| 17:31.54 | dusty_ | danke |
| 17:32.06 | RawSushi | The only thing that bugs me about debian is the repositories..It's just kinda confusing |
| 17:32.11 | RawSushi | Kinda new to the whole thing |
| 17:32.11 | ttl- | abrotman: i'll check |
| 17:32.22 | dusty_ | RawSushi, Debian has the best PMS in the world! |
| 17:32.22 | RawSushi | I'm confused about the whole stable, sarge, etch, etc. thing |
| 17:32.33 | dusty_ | RawSushi, That is well explained on www.debian.org. |
| 17:32.44 | RawSushi | Well..I screwed something up last time |
| 17:32.48 | ttl- | abrotman: yes the module is loaded |
| 17:32.50 | dusty_ | RawSushi, They are different states of debian builds.. and certain sceanrios require different states. |
| 17:32.52 | RawSushi | I wanted to get xcompmgr set up |
| 17:32.58 | RawSushi | And I was running stable |
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| 17:33.06 | dhuv | RawSushi: I use deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main in sources.list and apt-get install mplayer |
| 17:33.08 | RawSushi | well...I did something..must have been when I installed X.org |
| 17:33.20 | RawSushi | and gnome vanished |
| 17:33.25 | RawSushi | I didn't have gnome anymore |
| 17:33.26 | abrotman | ttl-: have X try to use /dev/input/mice |
| 17:33.32 | RawSushi | I tried to install it again...no go |
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| 17:34.02 | RawSushi | anyway..thanks |
| 17:34.03 | dusty_ | RawSushi, You need to watch the output of the builds, it can break things... |
| 17:34.17 | ttl- | abrotman: no that does not work |
| 17:34.18 | dusty_ | Especially if you use unstable :p |
| 17:34.25 | RawSushi | Debian is definitley my favorite flavor |
| 17:34.31 | RawSushi | between Debian and Ubuntu |
| 17:34.32 | ttl- | abrotman: it was set to /dev/input/mouse |
| 17:34.40 | dusty_ | RawSushi, debian == ubuntu |
| 17:34.46 | RawSushi | yeah...heh |
| 17:34.53 | dusty_ | I use kubuntu here. |
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| 17:34.56 | abrotman | ttl-: /dev/input/mice .. |
| 17:35.03 | dusty_ | As I like to code QT :) |
| 17:35.06 | abrotman | work calls again! |
| 17:35.11 | RawSushi | I guess ubuntu focuses more on newbies |
| 17:35.17 | dusty_ | abrotman, No rest for the wicked. :p |
| 17:35.25 | RawSushi | I never understood exactly what kubuntu was |
| 17:35.27 | dusty_ | RawSushi, Not really. |
| 17:35.30 | ttl- | abrotman: yeah sorry |
| 17:35.41 | dusty_ | kubuntu == kde version of ubuntu i.e. the default desktop is KDE |
| 17:35.50 | dusty_ | xubuntu == xfce default desktop |
| 17:36.01 | RawSushi | I probably should have stuck to it though...everything worked in ubuntu |
| 17:36.04 | RawSushi | by default |
| 17:36.10 | dusty_ | :) |
| 17:36.17 | dusty_ | RawSushi, What doesn't work for you? |
| 17:36.19 | RawSushi | but debian is up there with it really |
| 17:36.22 | dusty_ | In debian that is.. |
| 17:36.28 | RawSushi | a few things |
| 17:36.31 | dusty_ | Such as.. |
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| 17:36.33 | Ronin | RawSushi: more specific |
| 17:36.34 | RawSushi | uh..USB is one of them |
| 17:36.39 | ttl- | abrotman: maybe i must reboot the machine first |
| 17:36.43 | dusty_ | I take it USB mouse? |
| 17:36.47 | RawSushi | nah |
| 17:36.51 | RawSushi | mp3 player |
| 17:36.55 | dusty_ | ports? |
| 17:37.05 | RawSushi | I hooked it up in ubuntu..and it automatically popped up |
| 17:37.08 | dusty_ | you may have to install special software for your mp3 player, what make model is it? |
| 17:37.18 | dusty_ | hrmm, you may need to configure USB support then. |
| 17:37.19 | ttl- | abrotman: maybe the serial port crashed or something |
| 17:37.26 | RawSushi | a piece of shit..I'd have to go get it |
| 17:37.30 | dusty_ | heh |
| 17:37.42 | dusty_ | RawSushi, Just google the make+model+debian. |
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| 17:37.56 | dusty_ | Stick with debian though, don't give in. |
| 17:38.13 | RawSushi | yeah definitely |
| 17:38.26 | RawSushi | once I figure out the whole repositoriy thing |
| 17:38.46 | RawSushi | It'll all be good |
| 17:38.46 | Ronin | whats the repo problem RawSushi ? |
| 17:38.58 | RawSushi | well, it's just confusing |
| 17:39.06 | RawSushi | it can be |
| 17:40.00 | xdr | anyone know why I get permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) when trying to ssh to my own box and from other places aswell |
| 17:40.06 | ttl- | abrotman: is it ok to reboot the machine ? |
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| 17:40.36 | tziku | how can i give root permission to www-data ? |
| 17:40.46 | RawSushi | it's really the whole sarge, stable, etc. thing that got me |
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| 17:41.20 | RawSushi | I want to keep all my stuff up-to-date as well |
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| 17:41.33 | Ronin | ya the naming scheme can be confusing, think of it in terms or stable, testing and unstable |
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| 17:42.16 | abrotman | ttl-: did you set it to /dev/input/mice ? |
| 17:42.20 | RawSushi | well I no longer need mplayer..I finally got vlc working |
| 17:42.21 | kevsthabest | sarge=stable, once you get the codenames to the actual type of build it is, its simple:) |
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| 17:42.36 | AMB | yeee-haw! i managed to get X working on debian on a beat-up SiS - based laptop :) i'm so proud of myself :D |
| 17:42.40 | ttl- | abrotman: should i remove the symlink for /usr/bin/pyversions ? |
| 17:43.06 | ttl- | abrotman: yes it as set from the beginning to /dev/input/mice |
| 17:43.12 | ttl- | as=was |
| 17:43.37 | RawSushi | so vlc is just as good as mplayer I take it |
| 17:44.01 | kevsthabest | mplayer is useful if you use launch.com at all |
| 17:44.21 | kevsthabest | its the only media player i seen that can be setup to run the videos from launch with greasemonkey |
| 17:44.37 | RawSushi | vlc doesn't work for embedded videos? |
| 17:44.56 | RawSushi | html embedded |
| 17:44.58 | kevsthabest | well launch will only work with IE usually |
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| 17:45.15 | RawSushi | I've been trying to watch break.com for the longest time |
| 17:45.31 | RawSushi | you have a choice whether to use flash or windows media player |
| 17:45.35 | RawSushi | well I have flash set up..still doesn't work |
| 17:45.36 | abrotman | ttl-: don't bother with the symlink |
| 17:45.41 | abrotman | ttl-: finish the upgrade |
| 17:46.07 | Covener | RawSushi: worked for me w/o tuning, mozilla mplayer plug-in in firefox |
| 17:46.22 | Covener | RawSushi: (wmp option obviously) |
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| 17:46.36 | ttl- | abrotman: ok |
| 17:46.42 | RawSushi | ah |
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| 17:47.04 | liran_ | hey abrotman |
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| 17:48.01 | abrotman | liran_: hi |
| 17:48.10 | AMB | hm... how do i go back to a console from X? ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't seem to work |
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| 17:49.52 | keith80403 | AMB, Ctrl-Alt-Backspace |
| 17:50.32 | keith80403 | AMB, Well, maybe not, that KILLS the X server - Ctrl-Alt-F1 should work. Try Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc. |
| 17:50.43 | Ronin | f7 isnt it? |
| 17:50.46 | RawSushi | now to set up X.org |
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| 17:51.05 | ttl- | abrotman: aptitude is finished |
| 17:51.18 | ttl- | abrotman: what now ? |
| 17:51.21 | AMB | ctrl-alt-backspace works - tried it earlier |
| 17:51.59 | keith80403 | AMB, That's one way, if you want to kill X. But the others should get a console for you without destroying the X session. |
| 17:52.02 | AMB | but ctrl-alt-f* doesn't do anything |
| 17:52.10 | abrotman | ttl-: say another prayer .. and try to start X |
| 17:52.20 | AMB | keith80403, ya, i know |
| 17:52.24 | keith80403 | AMB, Are you using the left side Ctrl-Alt ? |
| 17:52.31 | AMB | keith80403, yes |
| 17:52.51 | keith80403 | AMB, Right, just checking, good luck. |
| 17:53.02 | ttl- | abrotman: gdm starts fine but mouse is not moving |
| 17:53.05 | AMB | keith80403, heh, thx :) |
| 17:53.07 | keith80403 | AMB, Never know who you're talking to on this channel (-: |
| 17:53.22 | abrotman | ttl-: can you paste your X log somewhere ? |
| 17:53.24 | RawSushi | anyway..I wonder what it could have been that completely removed gnome from my system.. |
| 17:53.34 | RawSushi | when I tried to get xcompmgr going |
| 17:53.40 | RawSushi | maybe it was when I installed X.org? |
| 17:53.43 | AMB | ttl-, maybe change the mouse protocol in xorg.conf |
| 17:53.45 | ttl- | abrotman: yes what is the path to it ? |
| 17:53.53 | RawSushi | It forced me to reinstall debian |
| 17:54.00 | ttl- | abrotman: somewhere in var/log ? |
| 17:54.09 | AMB | ttl-, i had the same problem a few mins ago. changed from intellimouseps/2 to ps/2 and it works |
| 17:54.32 | abrotman | ttl-: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:54.46 | ttl- | abrotman: i will use w3m |
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| 17:55.16 | abrotman | ok |
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| 17:57.51 | ttl- | abrotman: http://channel.debian.net/paste/3746 |
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| 17:58.26 | ttl- | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3746 |
| 17:58.28 | ttl- | abrotman: sorry |
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| 18:00.41 | epsilon | is there any recommendeed HOWTO for apache & php-cgi? |
| 18:00.55 | khermans | how can i output the block size of a partition -- like i want to know if it is storing chunks of 128K, 64K, etc |
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| 18:02.21 | abrotman | ttl-: well .. try using /dev/ttyS0 then i guess .. or whereever your mouse is |
| 18:02.25 | jade | how can i see what version, release, and distro versions of debian i am running? |
| 18:02.58 | abrotman | !version |
| 18:02.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 18:03.11 | abrotman | ttl-: does your mouse really have 11 buttons ? |
| 18:03.13 | PepperBob | hello! |
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| 18:03.50 | PepperBob | i recently installed apache2. unfortunately some characters on the html page are not shown correctly |
| 18:04.11 | PepperBob | i guess due to wrong encoding. how can i fix this? |
| 18:04.35 | PepperBob | on other apaches it's no problem.. |
| 18:04.36 | ttl- | abrotman: does not work |
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| 18:04.50 | abrotman | ttl-: which doesn't ? |
| 18:04.51 | ttl- | abrotman: but is the protocol not wrong |
| 18:05.02 | ttl- | abrotman: /dev/ttyS0 |
| 18:05.51 | abrotman | ttl-: are you sure that's where your mouse is ? |
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| 18:06.06 | aubergine | I'am now setting up a new Server, do you mean i should install etch or sarge ? |
| 18:06.09 | ttl- | abrotman: it says ExplorerPS2/2 |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | ttl-: it's not ExplorerPS2/2 |
| 18:06.53 | ttl- | abrotman: yes because the PS2 port on the motherboard is broken |
| 18:07.20 | abrotman | i mean .. it should be ExplorerPS/2 |
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| 18:07.42 | ttl- | abrotman: yes tha's what is ays sorry |
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| 18:07.47 | peppo | anyone else having MASSIVE slowdowns in X/GNOME after a recent upgrade? |
| 18:07.47 | ttl- | says* |
| 18:07.54 | abrotman | ttl-: ah ok |
| 18:08.00 | abrotman | ttl-: has that device worked before ? |
| 18:08.17 | ttl- | abrotman: yes till dist-upgrade |
| 18:08.25 | abrotman | ttl-: bastards killed it! |
| 18:08.35 | ttl- | abrotman: lol |
| 18:08.51 | ttl- | abrotman: maybe the port is crashed |
| 18:09.03 | ttl- | abrotman: it it safe to reboot ? |
| 18:09.05 | abrotman | sure! |
| 18:09.06 | abrotman | what's the worst that happens |
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| 18:09.15 | abrotman | !bless ttl- |
| 18:09.18 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child ttl-, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 18:09.22 | ttl- | :)) |
| 18:09.31 | AMB | ok people. thx to all who talked to me :) |
| 18:10.16 | luke-jr_work | what's a simple way to get a NAT box setup? |
| 18:10.17 | ttl- | abrotman: i hope to be right back :) |
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| 18:10.18 | AMB | time for a beer or 10. cu! |
| 18:10.18 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 18:10.18 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 18:11.08 | lehel | hello |
| 18:11.12 | Hoxzer_ | ello |
| 18:11.21 | kevsthabest | olleh |
| 18:11.23 | thisubasa | como faço para configura uma impressora windows pelo sampa? |
| 18:11.45 | luke-jr_work | ok... so how do I configure ipmasq? |
| 18:12.10 | lehel | how do i apt-get remove something, without installing other packages? |
| 18:13.30 | luke-jr_work | lehel: ...apt-get remove somethng |
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| 18:13.30 | tarzeau | !popcon |
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| 18:13.30 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:13.30 | lehel | luke-jr_work: without installing something else; |
| 18:13.31 | luke-jr_work | lehel: and? |
| 18:13.31 | luke-jr_work | lehel: why would it install something else? |
| 18:13.34 | darrint | I have a problem where in special circumstances something is killing a java process with sighup, but I can't figure out who. How can I determine who/what sent the sighup? |
| 18:13.50 | lehel | luke-jr_work: so i want to remove postfix [apt-get remove postfix], ok, but at the mean time apt-get will install exim, which i don't want |
| 18:14.20 | luke-jr_work | lehel: you need *some* MTA... |
| 18:14.20 | lehel | hm |
| 18:14.22 | luke-jr_work | lehel: maybe ssmtp? |
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| 18:15.13 | lehel | ok, i want but not exim.. and when i'm trying to remove postfix, exim wants to install, |
| 18:16.39 | lehel | so it would be possible eliminate postfix without installing exim? |
| 18:17.22 | stew | lehel: what are you going to replace postfix with? |
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| 18:18.12 | ttl- | abrotman: back |
| 18:18.20 | lehel | why not ssmtp, so apt-get install ssmtp, and that would remove postfix? |
| 18:18.20 | abrotman | ttl-: no workie? |
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| 18:18.20 | ttl- | abrotman: still no mouse |
| 18:18.43 | ttl- | abrotman: tried /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS1 and /dev/input/mice |
| 18:18.46 | lehel | stew: ok |
| 18:18.57 | lehel | stew: done; |
| 18:19.00 | stew | lehel: yes |
| 18:19.11 | ttl- | abrotman: but it seems there is no /dev/input/mice anymore |
| 18:19.12 | fresch | keith80403, ok, now doying the copy /b |
| 18:19.13 | abrotman | ttl-: do you ahve gpm running ? |
| 18:19.22 | ttl- | abrotman: no |
| 18:19.23 | liran_ | ttl-: did you try /dev/mouse maybe? |
| 18:19.34 | fresch | keith80403, and it seems to work, at least its doing something ^^ |
| 18:19.42 | abrotman | ttl-: erm .. gmp |
| 18:19.51 | keith80403 | fresch, Good deal, how many slices did you end up with? xaa, xab .... ? |
| 18:19.55 | abrotman | no .. gpm |
| 18:20.00 | fresch | keith80403, 5 slices |
| 18:20.02 | lehel | stew: thanks, i got the ideea; |
| 18:20.03 | ttl- | abrotman: hmm strange |
| 18:20.10 | keith80403 | fresch, OK |
| 18:20.14 | ttl- | abrotman: it seems gdm is running |
| 18:20.22 | ttl- | oops |
| 18:20.30 | stew | lehel: i'm glad. i hate having to convince people that they actually need SOME mta :) |
| 18:20.36 | ttl- | no |
| 18:20.37 | abrotman | ttl-: gdm is different than gpm |
| 18:20.46 | ttl- | abrotman: no gpm is not running |
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| 18:20.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:20.56 | abrotman | ttl-: but still no mouse ? |
| 18:21.11 | ttl- | abrotman: yeah i know gdm is the graphical login for gnome |
| 18:21.22 | lehel | ciao |
| 18:21.26 | ttl- | abrotman: i will try /dev/mouse |
| 18:21.54 | abrotman | modprobe mousedev .. try /dev/input/mice |
| 18:21.59 | ttl- | abrotman: there is no /dev/mouse file |
| 18:22.16 | abrotman | i didn't say to use /dev/mouse .. liran_ did |
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| 18:25.10 | ttl- | abrotman: loaded mousedev and put /dev/input/mouse but still does not work |
| 18:25.24 | abrotman | is the device there? |
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| 18:26.35 | ttl- | abrotman: yes /dev/input/mice is present |
| 18:27.11 | abrotman | stew: do you know if serial mice work with mousedev ? |
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| 18:28.41 | ttl- | abrotman: X always worked but i don't know what device was in the conf file before |
| 18:29.02 | ttl- | abrotman: but i think it was /dev/input/mice |
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| 18:29.11 | abrotman | most likely it was |
| 18:29.18 | stew | abrotman: i would guess so. but i don't know. is sermouse loaded? |
| 18:29.23 | abrotman | stew: ask ttl- :) |
| 18:29.31 | abrotman | i didn't know another driver was needed for it |
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| 18:29.39 | stew | ttl-: is the sermouse module loaded? |
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| 18:29.55 | ttl- | stew: no |
| 18:30.04 | stew | ttl-: by doesn't work do you mean x starts but i can't move the mouse? or x doesn't start and complains about "no core pointer" |
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| 18:30.22 | abrotman | stew: it starts .. mouse no workie |
| 18:30.23 | ttl- | stew: yes |
| 18:30.29 | stew | ttl-: modprobe sermouse |
| 18:30.47 | stew | i haven't used a serial mouse since i switch from yggsdrasil probably |
| 18:30.50 | ttl- | stew: loaded |
| 18:31.13 | abrotman | ttl-: put mousedev and sermouse in /etc/modules |
| 18:31.34 | ttl- | abrotman: still no mouse movement |
| 18:32.08 | abrotman | did you restart X ? |
| 18:32.14 | ttl- | abrotman: i'm starting and stopping gdm everytime i change anything |
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| 18:37.28 | jelly | hmm. apt-get dist-upgrade has removed xserver-xorg. good thing there was a debconf dialog warning of the possibility that this could happen. :-| |
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| 18:38.51 | kevsthabest | how unstable is debian unstable right now? |
| 18:39.03 | tarzeau | kevsthabest: not so |
| 18:39.07 | pipeline | kevsthabest: Uh, very, like every other day? |
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| 18:39.18 | rockstar_ | Are there any OpenVPN users here? |
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| 18:40.18 | kevsthabest | conflicting reports:P gotta love that.. im thinking of doing a dist-upgrade, but if it will be highly unstable, i'll just stick with testing |
| 18:40.32 | stew | kevsthabest: its always unpredictably unstable |
| 18:40.41 | stew | kevsthabest: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 18:40.51 | stew | kevsthabest: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:41.56 | kevsthabest | i remember almost a year ago i tried sid.. and it worked stable on my system.. but now im on a laptop.. so im hesitant |
| 18:42.22 | rogier | can somebody recommend me a good console sysvinit symlink editor ? |
| 18:42.33 | stew | rogier: update-rc.d |
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| 18:43.54 | rogier | stew, ok thanks, will check it out |
| 18:44.21 | stew | rogier: if you just want basic "turn it off / turn it on" and ncurses, three is rcconf |
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| 18:44.56 | rogier | ok |
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| 18:45.24 | rogier | coming from gentoo, working with these numbered runlevels is totally new to me ... |
| 18:45.26 | NiklasH_work | hi, can anyone tell me how to get which package a certain file belongs to? |
| 18:45.43 | abrotman | NiklasH_work: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:45.48 | abrotman | NiklasH_work: apt-file |
| 18:46.27 | NiklasH_work | abrotman: thanks! i was looking at dpkg-*... |
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| 18:46.35 | abrotman | dpkg -S <file> |
| 18:46.36 | dpkg | Package: <file>: Status: install ok installed |
| 18:46.40 | lord_rob | rogier: are you affected by the sysv init bug in sid ? |
| 18:46.42 | abrotman | dpkg: shutit |
| 18:47.39 | rogier | lord_rob, I really wouldn't know. It just installed and have hardly any service configured yet. What's up with that bug ? |
| 18:47.44 | stew | rogier: just ignore them then. use rcconf and blissfully unaware that there are multiple runlevels, you'll only be using 2 (besides rebooting and halting) |
| 18:48.13 | rogier | ok will check rcconf first then |
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| 18:50.42 | ecliptik | any suggestions for a c/c++ SDK that supports subversion? I looked into eclipse but I was wondering if there are any others. |
| 18:50.47 | emRaffe3 | hello |
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| 18:51.15 | abrotman | where'd ttl- go? |
| 18:51.27 | emRaffe3 | im tryin to install debian but had an problem .. cannot read floppy |
| 18:51.29 | abrotman | ecliptik: eclipse .. maybe anjuta .. or kdevelop |
| 18:51.37 | fresch | keith80403, i guess it all worked, i'm burning the image right now |
| 18:51.39 | abrotman | emRaffe3: try another floppy |
| 18:51.49 | ttl- | abrotman: i'm still here |
| 18:51.52 | fresch | keith80403, so thanks a lot |
| 18:51.57 | abrotman | ttl-: still not working ? |
| 18:52.05 | emRaffe3 | dont have floppy |
| 18:52.12 | abrotman | don't have another ? |
| 18:52.15 | emRaffe3 | have cdrom |
| 18:52.25 | abrotman | so why is the floppy a problem ? |
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| 18:52.58 | keith80403 | fresch, Great, glad it worked for you - if there is a problem, run an md5sum on the ISO on the Windows side. You can download md5sum.exe programs from the web, if you want to check that, should there be a problem. |
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| 18:53.07 | ttl- | abrotman: no but i have to ga i'll try some more later is eve or tomorrow |
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| 18:53.23 | fresch | keith80403, ok, i'll do that if it gives me any trouble ^^ |
| 18:53.29 | emRaffe3 | none cdrom drive detected |
| 18:53.31 | ttl- | abrotman: thanks for all the help! |
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| 18:53.58 | ttl- | stew: thank you very much too! |
| 18:54.53 | abrotman | ttl-: uhm .. ok .. have fun |
| 18:55.19 | emRaffe3 | abrotman |
| 18:55.24 | abrotman | emRaffe3: |
| 18:55.33 | emRaffe3 | cant find cdrom |
| 18:55.39 | abrotman | emRaffe3: oh .. that's different than a floppy problem :) |
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| 18:55.46 | emRaffe3 | aseer laptop |
| 18:55.51 | abrotman | emRaffe3: anything special about the system? is it SATA or laptop or USB ? |
| 18:56.38 | emRaffe3 | usb |
| 18:56.55 | emRaffe3 | laptop |
| 18:57.00 | emRaffe3 | sorry |
| 18:57.07 | abrotman | usb *and* laptop ? |
| 18:57.10 | abrotman | emRaffe3: which installer ? |
| 18:57.43 | emRaffe3 | ? |
| 18:57.45 | ecliptik | abrotman, I found the cdt c/c++ package and that seems nice, unfortuantely now I've added my svn repo but it refuses to edit the fiesl.... oh well, I'll figure it out, thanks |
| 18:57.49 | emRaffe3 | deb |
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| 18:58.12 | madcode_ | morning ladys |
| 18:58.24 | madcode_ | how can i help you? |
| 18:58.41 | madcode_ | please let me know |
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| 18:59.34 | kameron | anyone experienced with proftpd? i'm having troubles setting permissions. |
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| 19:00.03 | abrotman | ecliptik: that sounds bad :) |
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| 19:00.12 | abrotman | madcode_: this isn't a social channel |
| 19:00.24 | bingo | hello, does firmware for bcm43xx (wifi card) will be include with etch? |
| 19:00.30 | abrotman | emRaffe3: sarge or etch ? |
| 19:00.38 | madcode_ | nope, my thinking was that you are using debian linux and therefor you need any help that you can get |
| 19:00.42 | abrotman | bingo: you'll need the fwcutter package .. it has a scirpt to download it |
| 19:00.58 | abrotman | madcode_: take your trolling elsewhere please |
| 19:00.58 | tziku | how can i give root permission to www-data ? |
| 19:01.11 | madcode_ | hrhrhr |
| 19:01.11 | abrotman | you don't want to |
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| 19:01.42 | kameron | tziku: very bad idea |
| 19:01.46 | emRaffe3 | abrotman |
| 19:01.51 | abrotman | emRaffe3: |
| 19:01.56 | emRaffe3 | cant find the cd rom |
| 19:01.59 | emRaffe3 | not detected |
| 19:02.03 | abrotman | emRaffe3: sarge or etch installer ? |
| 19:02.08 | emRaffe3 | how can i install it .. |
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| 19:02.30 | tziku | kameron my php script can't use some shell_exec |
| 19:02.33 | bingo | abrotman, yes I use fwcutter but I think it will be better if it is directly in etch no? |
| 19:02.33 | bingo | no effort, it work |
| 19:02.53 | emRaffe3 | dontknow .. but downloaded ,,19 cd and this is the 1 cd |
| 19:02.53 | abrotman | bingo: there's a script that gets it for you .. check the /usr/share/doc/fwcutter .. or whatever the package is called |
| 19:03.09 | abrotman | emRaffe3: try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:03.25 | abrotman | emRaffe3: from what i remember .. there's some trickery involved |
| 19:04.03 | emRaffe3 | hmmm |
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| 19:05.26 | madcode_ | ...have a nice day |
| 19:05.29 | madcode_ | cheers |
| 19:05.30 | madcode_ | and |
| 19:05.33 | madcode_ | bye bye |
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| 19:06.20 | qbit_wrk | is there a way to force dpkg ( or apt ) to reinstall all the files in a package? ( say if something in etc was removed ..) |
| 19:06.28 | tziku | can somebody help me to give root permission to www-data ? I need for my php script . This script have some shell_exec ... |
| 19:06.34 | qbit_wrk | apt-get install -f doesn't seem to do it |
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| 19:06.39 | abrotman | tziku: no .. really .. you DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT |
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| 19:06.49 | abrotman | !tell qbit_wrk about confmiss |
| 19:06.52 | peppo | anyone experiencing massive slowdowns in X/GNOME on unstable? |
| 19:07.33 | peppo | especially when logging in. starting a simple app like gnome-terminal takes 10 seconds (on a 2,2ghz amd64, 1gb mem). this started happening after a recent apt-get upgrade |
| 19:07.46 | peppo | nothing reports large cpu or mem usage in top |
| 19:07.52 | peppo | performance in Windows is normal. |
| 19:07.57 | peppo | I've tried 3-4 different kernels. |
| 19:08.04 | qbit_wrk | nice.. thanks abrotman |
| 19:08.28 | peppo | is there a way to see a list of which packages have most recently been upgraded? |
| 19:08.47 | tarzeau | peppo: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 19:08.53 | tarzeau | peppo: etch+ |
| 19:09.09 | peppo | what's etch? |
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| 19:09.18 | tarzeau | testing |
| 19:09.19 | tittof | hallo du biest |
| 19:09.30 | peppo | tarzeau, you suggest I try to dist-upgrade to testing? |
| 19:09.41 | tarzeau | peppo: no |
| 19:09.49 | tarzeau | peppo: i said it's availble with testing and bigger |
| 19:09.55 | abrotman | tittof: english please |
| 19:09.58 | paefchen | tittof: : hier wird nicht Deutsch gesprochen. |
| 19:10.00 | paefchen | :D |
| 19:10.04 | abrotman | !de |
| 19:10.05 | dpkg | from memory, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:10.06 | tittof | paefchen: achso na dann. Ok then. |
| 19:10.24 | paefchen | na ja kann ja mal vorkommen. |
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| 19:10.29 | tittof | shit happens |
| 19:10.36 | tittof | mostly while u use debian. :P |
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| 19:11.08 | paefchen | i dont like debian. |
| 19:11.15 | tittof | who does? |
| 19:11.52 | jfletcher | me! |
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| 19:11.55 | Ronin | must be sunday again |
| 19:12.02 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 19:12.04 | tittof | or holidays |
| 19:12.10 | keith80403 | I like Debian. |
| 19:12.21 | tarzeau | i like free software |
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| 19:12.37 | paefchen | GPL and Free? |
| 19:12.49 | tarzeau | paefchen: who said something about GPL? |
| 19:12.58 | tarzeau | paefchen: besides Apple is using GCC too |
| 19:13.08 | |DuReX| | hellow guys :) a module just gave weird error on my linux box, now i want to reboot, but it refuses to reboot, it give the message it's going down for reboot, but i still can login to ssh etc, and it doesn't reboot :( any id how i can force it to reboot ? |
| 19:13.08 | paefchen | yes i now |
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| 19:13.27 | tarzeau | paefchen: you're missing a verb |
| 19:13.28 | buggarage | yesahhh especially when tittof joins us |
| 19:13.44 | jfletcher | he means I know |
| 19:13.51 | tittof | buggarage: did we have the pleasure, yet? |
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| 19:16.30 | tittof | |DuReX|: you might want to try freebsd. such things happen rarely there |
| 19:16.31 | johnga1t | i have an error that libstdc++-lib6.1-2.so3 can't be loaded. but it exists in /usr/lib. ideas? |
| 19:17.05 | moebius | hi, i'm getting this error after a fontconfig upgrade: /usr/share/fonts: fc-cache: symbol lookup error: fc-cache: undefined symbol: FcDirCacheRead |
| 19:17.07 | paefchen | hmm it smells here badly. |
| 19:17.20 | moebius | and now all the fonts i see on the screen are completely screwed |
| 19:17.22 | tittof | paefchen: like teen spirit? ;) |
| 19:17.31 | paefchen | ahhh FreeBSD, god idea |
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| 19:17.48 | shaya | does anyone know if emacs has a redo? |
| 19:17.50 | tittof | moebius wouldnt have his problem with freebsd |
| 19:17.58 | tittof | paefchen: correct? |
| 19:18.03 | shaya | or a way to view the entire undo/redo stack? |
| 19:18.07 | shaya | want to get back to the last position |
| 19:18.13 | paefchen | yes! |
| 19:18.18 | abrotman | |DuReX|: pull the plug :) |
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| 19:20.08 | |DuReX| | abrotman: difficult when u are remote |
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| 19:20.18 | paefchen | hmm 650 User with bad System, that's funny :D |
| 19:20.37 | abrotman | |DuReX|: what's the error ? |
| 19:20.48 | peppo | suddenly my X is awfully slow. launching gnome-terminal takes 10-15 seconds, and starting gnome-session takes like 2-3 minutes. it's the same for newly created users, so it's most likely not a settings issue. anyone experience the same? |
| 19:20.57 | |DuReX| | did init 6 |
| 19:21.03 | |DuReX| | wich should reboot :p |
| 19:21.04 | |DuReX| | its gone now |
| 19:21.09 | |DuReX| | but doesn't come back :'( |
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| 19:21.33 | abrotman | uhm .. what did you do? |
| 19:21.51 | abrotman | peppo: checked the BTS ? tried another WM ? |
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| 19:22.19 | peppo | abrotman, at least the likely suspect packages' BT pages, and I tried sawfish. |
| 19:23.44 | peppo | applications themselves perform normally. it's really weird. |
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| 19:24.50 | abrotman | peppo: i've seen this .. can't remember where |
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| 19:25.45 | abrotman | peppo: maybe ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:26.02 | abrotman | peppo: any errors when you start gnome-terminal from another terminal ? |
| 19:26.02 | peppo | thnx, will do |
| 19:26.30 | peppo | hm |
| 19:26.35 | peppo | launching from a terminal is very fast |
| 19:26.39 | peppo | it's when I use the hotkey |
| 19:26.40 | peppo | (F1) |
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| 19:29.55 | abrotman | so if you start an xterm .. and run gnome-terminal .. it loads quickly ? |
| 19:30.04 | peppo | or even gnome-terminal from a gnomie-terminal |
| 19:30.07 | peppo | I think I solved it |
| 19:30.17 | peppo | I had previously used the metacity gconf options to bind arbitrary commands to quickeys |
| 19:30.25 | peppo | (to be able to use gnome-terminal --disable-factory) |
| 19:30.41 | abrotman | it fixed it ? |
| 19:30.45 | peppo | I bound F1 to the keyboard shortcuts 'launch terminal' option and it works now |
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| 19:30.55 | abrotman | uhm .. ok .. weird .. but ok :) |
| 19:30.59 | peppo | but the gnome-session slowness issue remains |
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| 19:33.10 | abrotman | do any other gnome apps start slowly? |
| 19:34.37 | peppo | hm, not really |
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| 19:34.43 | peppo | but getting smoe gnome-cups errors |
| 19:34.57 | peppo | and "gnome-panel: could not authenticate with GDM" |
| 19:34.57 | peppo | these look suspect |
| 19:35.02 | peppo | when launching gnome-session from a terminal with a new user |
| 19:35.28 | peppo | like this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/83LZTA83.html |
| 19:35.48 | abrotman | very weird |
| 19:36.01 | peppo | have no printer anyhow |
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| 19:37.21 | abrotman | peppo: yeah .. i'd ask the gnome folks at #gnome or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. it seems to be kind of messed up .. and could be some sort of transition going on |
| 19:37.33 | peppo | yup, asking in #gnome-debian |
| 19:37.53 | Bhavesh | why would I not get my login listed if i type 'w' in a kde terminal? 'w' shows no user logged in |
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| 19:38.22 | xaka | how to get list of installed packages? |
| 19:38.26 | abrotman | !installed |
| 19:38.27 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 19:38.34 | abrotman | Bhavesh: it's not a shell login |
| 19:38.55 | Bhavesh | ohhh |
| 19:39.13 | Bhavesh | i thought it always showed me my current login even if i did 'w' from kdeterm.. may be i am wrong |
| 19:40.13 | abrotman | only with certain types of logins |
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| 19:41.01 | Bhavesh | abrotman may be it shows that if i login with root but not with normal user? |
| 19:41.38 | abrotman | Bhavesh: no .. i don't think kterminal or whatever it's called is a shell login |
| 19:42.07 | Bhavesh | abrotman thanks for your help. it wasn't a problem, more like an annoyance |
| 19:42.20 | abrotman | more of a misunderstanding :) |
| 19:42.30 | Bhavesh | hehe true ;) |
| 19:43.04 | abrotman | i'm not sure if there is a better description somewhere or not |
| 19:43.09 | abrotman | google might be of some help |
| 19:43.27 | Bhavesh | I can watch tv using a BT878 chipcset, play video using mplayer, but some how after i rebuild kernel with some things disabled, i caon't seem to play music through XMMS |
| 19:43.40 | Bhavesh | that's fine.. i just wanted to make sure i was not doing something stuipd or if i didn't mess up kernel options |
| 19:43.41 | abrotman | is xmms using OSS or alsa ? |
| 19:43.49 | Bhavesh | i checked .. and tried using both |
| 19:44.06 | Bhavesh | xmms plays through the list in hurry like 2-3 seconds to go through 50 songs |
| 19:44.16 | abrotman | any errors when run from a terminal ? |
| 19:44.17 | dutche- | does anybody knows a good screencast program? |
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| 19:44.19 | Bhavesh | for a sec i thought it was so the diskwriter plugin was active but it's not the case |
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| 19:44.50 | abrotman | dutche-: to do what exactly ? |
| 19:45.18 | cahoot | Bhavesh: this used to work before kernel change? |
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| 19:45.26 | Bhavesh | yes |
| 19:45.39 | Bhavesh | so i am sure i messed something up with kernel recompile |
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| 19:46.25 | dutche- | abrotman, to record my action, like, I wanna show some programming tricks to my friend and I need a program that records my desktop actions (programming, testing, running) |
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| 19:48.01 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 19:48.06 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
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| 19:50.20 | abrotman | Bhavesh: why did you compile your own? |
| 19:50.31 | fresch | keith80403, well... burned the iso. tried it on a couple of machines, none of them booted from that dvd. now it might be the dvd, but i am running md5sum right now to see if it's the iso |
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| 19:50.57 | Bhavesh | well i am using nvidia video card and i prefer getting clean source and compiling kernel and compiling the nvidia module for X |
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| 19:51.05 | keith80403 | fresch, Hmmmm. OK, let me know what you find out. I'm sure those machines will boot from other CD's right? |
| 19:51.12 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:51.12 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 19:51.17 | fresch | keith80403, yes, they do |
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| 19:51.34 | Bhavesh | wow |
| 19:51.40 | Bhavesh | i wish i had come here earlier |
| 19:51.43 | Bhavesh | if it was that easy |
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| 19:51.55 | epsilon | what's better: using suphp or php-cgi + suexec under apache? |
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| 19:54.41 | appelza | Hi, can anyone tell me if debian(sarge) supports either of these cards by default : nforce professional 2200 or nforce professional 2050 |
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| 19:55.42 | Bhavesh | card = video card? |
| 19:56.03 | appelza | nic |
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| 19:59.01 | Bhavesh | oh |
| 19:59.16 | rockstar_ | I want to pipe ALL network traffic through my OpenVPN connection, and then through that internet connection to the outside (to monitor all VPN user traffic as well...) Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 19:59.16 | Bhavesh | i du not know.. hate to ask but have you tried doing a google search? |
| 19:59.43 | Miraterre-Jeremy | hi guys, trying to build a kernel and keep getting this error on boot: RAMDISK: incomplete write(-28 != 32768) 9437184 Anyone have ideas? |
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| 20:00.38 | rockstar_ | appelza, my nforce card worked out of the box. It uses an open source driver though. Nvidia has proprietary driver that I don't use though. |
| 20:01.42 | sepski | rockstar_, push "redirect-gateway" |
| 20:02.21 | rockstar_ | sepski, What do you mean my push? |
| 20:03.18 | sepski | i have that in my openvpn servers config. and when a client connects the server pushed it's default gw to the clients. effectivly all traffic for internet goes tru vpn and towards openvpn server's default gw |
| 20:03.47 | sepski | rockstar_, search for it in the openvpn docs if you want a better description |
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| 20:04.13 | RawSushi | How would I go about upgrading to X.org in stable without nuking my system? |
| 20:04.34 | sepski | !getxorg |
| 20:04.59 | sepski | !get xorg |
| 20:04.59 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
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| 20:05.14 | sepski | !Tell RawSushi about xorg sarge |
| 20:06.22 | RawSushi | there we go |
| 20:06.22 | RawSushi | thanks |
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| 20:06.55 | fresch | keith80403, md5sum.exe reports ok... must be a bad dvd |
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| 20:07.32 | jelly | !find bin/glxinfo$ etch |
| 20:07.54 | fresch | keith80403, i will try that dvd at home, see if that one won't boot from it... |
| 20:08.15 | fresch | keith80403, if that still won't work, i'll try different blanks |
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| 20:09.36 | jelly | which package is glxinfo in in etch? |
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| 20:10.53 | pitillo | jelly, mesa-utils? I not in etch. |
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| 20:12.49 | jelly | pitillo: that's it, thanks |
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| 20:13.54 | keith80403 | fresch, OK, give it a try, maybe try overburn or burning the dvd at a slower speed - see how it is on other machines, e.g. at your house. |
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| 20:19.37 | RawSushi | damn it |
| 20:19.43 | dn4 | Microsoft is coming to UTSA to give a tech talk |
| 20:19.51 | RawSushi | Okay, I followed this... http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 20:19.58 | RawSushi | And I tried to install xorg |
| 20:20.11 | rockstar_ | sepski, you are the man! I got it working now. Sweet! |
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| 20:20.21 | RawSushi | But it wants to unistall a bunch of other shit |
| 20:20.23 | RawSushi | such as gnome |
| 20:20.25 | RawSushi | etc. |
| 20:20.33 | RawSushi | what's the deal |
| 20:21.04 | rockstar_ | RawSushi, may I ask why you're using backports? |
| 20:21.57 | RawSushi | Well, I followed a link in here...And it seemed to be the solution |
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| 20:22.41 | RawSushi | You are running Debian stable, because you prefer the stable Debian tree. It runs great, there is just one problem: the software is a little bit outdated compared to other distributions. That is where backports come in. |
| 20:22.52 | ph00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:23.02 | ph00 | how do I check if it is? |
| 20:23.22 | ph00 | I got this mail from <almost sounding like my mail nickname>@dentroadvisors.com |
| 20:23.56 | ph00 | saying "we need to verify if you're a real human being and not a spam source" and talking a message I sent,etc |
| 20:24.08 | ph00 | but I can't remember I sent anyting to <anyone>@dendroadvisors.com |
| 20:24.29 | ph00 | that's why I suspect being a zombie |
| 20:24.58 | ph00 | btw, I'm running Gmail on the Evolution client |
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| 20:25.06 | ph00 | (yes, I know they store everything) |
| 20:25.36 | asg | ph00: ask them to send you the full headers of the message they claim you sent. You'll be able to verify everything at that point. |
| 20:25.51 | ph00 | hm |
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| 20:26.39 | xaler | Anyone help with freeserve keys? |
| 20:27.09 | ph00 | asg Nope. The message from "me" is pure spam. |
| 20:27.39 | asg | ph00: does it show that it left your machine? Do your mail logs gell with that? |
| 20:27.40 | ph00 | now, has my gmail account being hijacked or my home computer? |
| 20:28.01 | ph00 | you meen on my local client? |
| 20:28.02 | klork | hullo guys, is it possible to connect to this irc channel via a http proxy server (without tunneling) ? |
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| 20:28.47 | ph00 | nothing on my local evolution install |
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| 20:30.04 | rockstar_ | xaler, ask your question, we might be able to help. |
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| 20:30.49 | ph00 | btw, I tried to check what denatroadvisors.com was, but all I got when I browsed to www.dentroadvisors.com was a blank page with the only two words "home page" on the higher left corner |
| 20:31.22 | ph00 | I guess they are the spammers, but why did I get that kind of message instad of "regular" spam? are they trying to make me answer to a phony confirm message? and that because... |
| 20:31.38 | ph00 | dentroadvisors.com |
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| 20:31.58 | ph00 | "dentro" sonds like "in", "inside" or "within" in spanish |
| 20:32.03 | ph00 | sounds* |
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| 20:34.16 | SinnerG | hmm no idea ph00 :P |
| 20:34.36 | SinnerG | you sure your smtp server isnt useable from external sources? :P |
| 20:35.15 | jelly | WTF? Someone add the wiggly red line (the spell checker) to xchat... |
| 20:35.34 | jelly | s/add/added/ (didn't catch that, huh) |
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| 20:36.53 | CurtisH | Question, I did a netstat on a linux box and it had about 10 UDP connection that look real fishy. How do i track these down and disconnect them? |
| 20:37.10 | naranha | how can i tell apt-get to completely redownload and reinstall a package? |
| 20:37.11 | SinnerG | udp : connectionless (or how you say that?) |
| 20:37.24 | SinnerG | but you could block the ip's I guess |
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| 20:37.32 | disasm | naranha: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 20:37.33 | ph00 | all remote logins are disabled afaik |
| 20:38.00 | naranha | ah easy thx :) |
| 20:38.57 | CurtisH | hmm just wondering how they are getting established, this box on a private network |
| 20:39.04 | CurtisH | anyway to see how they got there? |
| 20:39.28 | appelza | my netword card gives me "cannot reserve IRQ 255" |
| 20:39.34 | appelza | how do I solve /change the irq |
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| 20:40.38 | abrotman | jelly: happened a while ago |
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| 20:41.57 | Dion` | Hi all :-) |
| 20:41.58 | jelly | abrotman: Oh, I just did a huge etch dist-upgrade. It stupidly makes wigglies even on nicks. |
| 20:42.11 | Fare | hi. How do I get a list of the packages that dpkg --configure -a will have to process? |
| 20:42.15 | abrotman | jelly: all over the place .. it also does some autocorrection |
| 20:42.15 | appelza | my netword card gives me "cannot reserve IRQ 255" |
| 20:42.18 | appelza | how do I solve /change the irq |
| 20:42.22 | abrotman | jelly: just try to type "teh" :) |
| 20:42.31 | Dion` | I am trying to install Debian on an old Toshiba Tecra notebook, but I don't know how to go on. |
| 20:42.33 | Fare | Appelza: what hardware is that? |
| 20:42.37 | abrotman | jelly: anti-1337 version :) |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | Dion`: CD drive? |
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| 20:42.57 | jelly | grr the |
| 20:43.01 | appelza | normal 10/100 card, i think its fucked |
| 20:43.05 | jelly | fuck |
| 20:43.08 | appelza | dont know its exact model, im not at the machine right now |
| 20:43.09 | Dion` | abrotman: it has a CD drive but it's not bootable. So I am using floppies. |
| 20:43.17 | appelza | just wanna know if theres a way to force IRQ |
| 20:43.33 | Fare | appelza: PC? There is no IRQ 255 on a PC. |
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| 20:43.48 | Fare | so it would be the driver being f'ed-up |
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| 20:43.59 | peppo | is there a way to downgrade to something like a day's old repositories? |
| 20:44.01 | jelly | abrotman: ok, teh I can understand, but "abrotman" should not be marked. :-| |
| 20:44.13 | Fare | peppo: only if you have a mirror of said repo |
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| 20:44.45 | dendrite | peppo: apt-get install packagename=version |
| 20:44.49 | dendrite | peppo: Or something like that. |
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| 20:44.58 | peppo | dendrite, I want to downgrade everything |
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| 20:45.04 | peppo | because I can't pinpoint what broke my system |
| 20:45.12 | dendrite | peppo: Ah. That's not going to happen. What's broken?? |
| 20:45.23 | cydork | yay no more stupid cable, m on wifi :) |
| 20:45.29 | Fare | peppo: unstable or testing? |
| 20:45.30 | peppo | dendrite, performance. oddness... gnome starts really slow, mplayer stalls when starting playback |
| 20:45.32 | peppo | Fare, unstable. |
| 20:45.43 | Fare | you could try downgrading to testing, using the apt-preferences system |
| 20:46.03 | Fare | and keep into unstable the few unstable packages you really need |
| 20:46.08 | Dion` | abrotman: the floppies boot ok and I passed language selection etc but now it asks for an installation CD-rom. But what installation CD-rom would that be? |
| 20:46.13 | cydork | peppo, downgrading is not supported. |
| 20:46.23 | Fare | I do that on work machine: testing for most of the packages, but unstable for those for which I wanna track the latest |
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| 20:46.58 | ramiroec | hi |
| 20:47.38 | peppo | cydork, is testing like the release target, or? |
| 20:47.56 | cydork | peppo, yes it will be stable in dec |
| 20:48.19 | b00 | hey, whats the new X system in sid called ? |
| 20:48.35 | b00 | xfree became Xorg, or , am i lost |
| 20:48.39 | cydork | b00, xserver-xorg . |
| 20:48.51 | b00 | cydork, ok |
| 20:49.00 | AciD | b00 > long time since you apt-getted ? :) |
| 20:49.11 | b00 | :) |
| 20:49.24 | disasm | cydork: there's a date for december now? |
| 20:49.44 | emRaffe3 | i cant run xserver |
| 20:49.44 | cydork | disasm, yep |
| 20:49.51 | cydork | !etch |
| 20:49.51 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 20:49.51 | emRaffe3 | how to config it |
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| 20:49.58 | peppo | okay |
| 20:50.04 | peppo | there's major borkage in some of these upgraded packages: |
| 20:50.06 | emRaffe3 | !conf |
| 20:50.06 | dpkg | [conf] a Backend configuration tool for scripts |
| 20:50.10 | peppo | I think fontconfig's to blame |
| 20:50.10 | cydork | !tell emRaffe3 about drxx |
| 20:50.21 | emRaffe3 | cydork thanx |
| 20:50.23 | peppo | http://rafb.net/paste/results/44JSHZ76.html |
| 20:50.26 | peppo | I downgraded to those packages |
| 20:50.31 | peppo | and my system is back to normal performance now |
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| 20:50.47 | cydork | !sid |
| 20:50.47 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 20:51.13 | peppo | problem is, I've no idea which package caused the slowness |
| 20:51.32 | peppo | will have to walk through these packages, install the newer one, and restart X, and test performance |
| 20:51.51 | cydork | peppo, sid is known for bugs, people enjoy debugging :) |
| 20:52.27 | abrotman | Dion`: doesn't that machine have a CD drive ? |
| 20:53.17 | Dion` | abrotman: it has, but the BIOS doesn't support booting from it. So I need to boot from floppies. |
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| 20:53.48 | abrotman | Dion`: ewwwww! |
| 20:53.49 | peppo | abrotman, the basic issue it seems, was fontconfig |
| 20:53.58 | abrotman | Dion`: ok .. get CD1 |
| 20:54.07 | abrotman | peppo: that's what the #gnome guys said ? |
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| 20:54.17 | peppo | no, I found out myself |
| 20:54.24 | peppo | abrotman, the #gnome guys would never admit that fontconfig is a piece of shit :) |
| 20:54.42 | peppo | it scales sooo badly :( |
| 20:54.51 | peppo | w large number of fonts |
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| 20:56.03 | blackelf | how the fuck |
| 20:56.10 | blackelf | can I check the freaking version of qemu |
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| 20:57.37 | EdLin | blackelf: if it's a deb, apt-cache policy qemu |
| 20:58.04 | Dion` | abrotman: ftp://ftp.belnet.be/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd <--- there's like 15 iso files. Which one do I need? Only no. 1? |
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| 20:58.28 | blackelf | yeah, damn qemu devels didnt implement -v / --ver comman |
| 20:58.30 | dotcomguy | I have a system using lvm and have been trying to upgrade the kernel on it...latest problem is that it mounts root successfully, but then I get "mount: Mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: Invalid argument" followed by "run-init: nuking initramfs contents: Directory not empty" and finally a kernel panic |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | Dion`: #1 to start with |
| 20:59.12 | dotcomguy | Any ideas? :/ |
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| 20:59.16 | Dion` | abrotman: is the entire debian repo on the CD's or what? |
| 20:59.16 | abrotman | for each release .. it can be |
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| 20:59.24 | emRaffe3 | xserver-free86 not installed in my system ,, and my laptop not connnected to internet how to install xserver -- i have the cd's |
| 20:59.26 | Dion` | abrotman: ok :-) |
| 20:59.26 | abrotman | Dion`: most use the first CD or the netinst to install |
| 20:59.36 | abrotman | though i've done complete installs from floppy |
| 20:59.42 | cydork | emRaffe3, stable? |
| 20:59.46 | Dion` | abrotman: the laptop has only a modem, so netinstall will be VERY slow I guess :-) |
| 21:00.05 | abrotman | ah .. probably |
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| 21:00.08 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 21:00.08 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the sarge cds: http://vireo.org/~stew/jigdo If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 21:00.18 | emRaffe3 | abrotman test |
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| 21:00.45 | speedy | whats the best way to keep my clock current automatically? |
| 21:00.48 | abrotman | emRaffe3: failed |
| 21:00.52 | abrotman | !tell speedy about ntp |
| 21:00.55 | cydork | emRaffe3, if it's testing you want xserver-xorg, xfree86 is in sarge |
| 21:01.00 | abrotman | or use bakcports |
| 21:01.14 | karsten | abrotman: abckprots? |
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| 21:01.29 | karsten | abrotman: ... capkb0rts? |
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| 21:01.41 | emRaffe3 | abchirk i have xorg and i have x but when i run it show me problem |
| 21:01.45 | emRaffe3 | cant run it |
| 21:02.26 | abrotman | cydork: abauer quit a while ago :) |
| 21:02.46 | cydork | emRaffe3, did you do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 21:02.57 | emRaffe3 | yes |
| 21:03.17 | cydork | emRaffe3, did it work succesfully? |
| 21:03.19 | emRaffe3 | no no bro |
| 21:03.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 21:03.24 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 21:03.24 | emRaffe3 | letme check |
| 21:03.48 | cydork | abrotman, hey got myself a wireless router. no more messy cables. I am in my bed now ;) |
| 21:03.51 | emRaffe3 | thanx cydork :)))))))) |
| 21:03.54 | dotcomguy | Anyone know anything about "mount: Mounting /dev on /root/dev failed: Invalid argument" that could point me in the right direction? I've scoured the net and been through my kernel config. can't seem to figure out what I'm missing |
| 21:03.56 | emRaffe3 | cydork you are good man |
| 21:04.04 | abrotman | cydork: TMI |
| 21:04.20 | dutche- | abrotman, have another screencast program that makes mpeg files? not ogg? |
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| 21:04.23 | cydork | abrotman, hehh |
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| 21:04.31 | cydork | emRaffe3, no problem :) |
| 21:04.34 | doublehp | how do I mount "ext2 filesystem data (compressed)" ? |
| 21:04.44 | abrotman | dutche-: nfc .. that's the only one i know of .. you could probably use another program to reencode though |
| 21:04.53 | cydork | doublehp, huh? |
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| 21:05.44 | dutche- | abrotman, the problem is that when I was recording with istanbul, sometimes the screen got too fast...and then turns to normal again |
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| 21:06.14 | abrotman | dutche-: i've never used it .. i just know it exists .. |
| 21:06.30 | dutche- | abrotman, anyways, thank a lot :) |
| 21:06.48 | abrotman | dutche-: sorry .. ask again in a bit .. perhaps someone knows of another .. or check freshmeat |
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| 21:07.36 | karsten | dutche-: video or audio? |
| 21:07.44 | karsten | dutche-: vid: kino. audi: audacity |
| 21:08.04 | karsten | dutche-: ... and what's screencasting? desktop capture? |
| 21:08.14 | dutche- | karsten, yes |
| 21:08.37 | karsten | dutche-: There's a tool that does Flash, and a toolchain that can convert that to other stuff. |
| 21:08.42 | karsten | dutche-: vnc to flash... |
| 21:08.49 | cydork | pyvnc2swf |
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| 21:09.13 | dutche- | but for debian I searched pyvnc2swf and I didnt found it |
| 21:09.19 | karsten | dutche-: vnc2swf |
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| 21:09.39 | karsten | dutche-: http://desktops.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/26/1815242&tid=6 |
| 21:10.10 | karsten | dutche-: third-party repo for Debian. |
| 21:10.23 | karsten | !vnc2swf |
| 21:10.24 | dpkg | vnc2swf is a cross-platform screen recording tool. It's not in Debian (yet?). There are two versions available, a Python and a C version. See http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/270 |
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| 21:11.16 | nvz | the damn police are fixin to block my road off again.. man I hate living here when its football season |
| 21:11.35 | emRaffe3 | cydork |
| 21:11.41 | rockstar_ | nvz, Is your rent good at least? |
| 21:11.44 | karsten | dutche-: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/desktop-video-capture.html http://linuxgazette.net/102/washko.html http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/08/16/2128226 |
| 21:11.45 | cydork | emRaffe3, |
| 21:11.47 | nvz | concert season its nice to be this close to the colleseum but football season sucks |
| 21:11.56 | karsten | nvz: It's not like you can drive anywho. |
| 21:11.57 | nvz | rockstar_: yep |
| 21:12.07 | nvz | karsten: heh, why not :P |
| 21:12.12 | emRaffe3 | cydork everything ok with xserver but i cant run it becuase it cant found the mouse |
| 21:12.16 | rockstar_ | nvz, at least people aren't parking in front of your house then. |
| 21:12.18 | karsten | dutche-: and http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2006/03/making_flash_demos_using_open.html |
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| 21:12.19 | emRaffe3 | cydork laptop touch mouse |
| 21:12.22 | rockstar_ | Can you park at your own house? |
| 21:12.23 | karsten | nvz: Got your ford fixed today? |
| 21:12.31 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
| 21:12.38 | nvz | karsten: depends on your interpretation of fixed |
| 21:12.43 | cydork | emRaffe3, which device did you select for mouse? |
| 21:12.45 | nvz | karsten: it still moves |
| 21:12.51 | nvz | karsten: as long as you put gas in it |
| 21:12.51 | karsten | nvz: Smoking at the bottom of a ditch. |
| 21:12.54 | dutche- | karsten, ok, I'll try this....thanks a lot man |
| 21:13.16 | karsten | Holy f*ck. |
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| 21:13.47 | EnsignRedshirt | I seem to have "lost" my CD drive. I haven't used in it ages, and I forget what device it is. What command would tell me what the CD drive device is? |
| 21:13.48 | emRaffe3 | cydork /div/input/mice |
| 21:13.51 | karsten | Hans Reiser's wife is missing, his home's being searched. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/14/BAGPJL5DHV1.DTL |
| 21:13.57 | emRaffe3 | explorerps/2 |
| 21:14.06 | doublehp | cydork: when I "file -s /dev/sda3" , I got upper message; mount says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock", tune2fs "Filesystem has unsupported feature(s)"; debugfs cant help |
| 21:14.24 | nvz | I generally keep my cd drive in the computer at least, if not screwed down.. makes it harder to loose |
| 21:14.44 | karsten | Not a suspect, but ... |
| 21:14.47 | cydork | emRaffe3, are you sure it's div? :P |
| 21:15.00 | emRaffe3 | no ;p |
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| 21:15.08 | emRaffe3 | how to find out |
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| 21:15.23 | gass | ppl |
| 21:15.27 | cydork | emRaffe3, it's /dev/input/mice |
| 21:15.37 | emRaffe3 | ok |
| 21:15.38 | gass | there is an large archive witj all debian packages that entered in debian |
| 21:15.50 | gass | but i don't remember the link |
| 21:15.51 | Cuddles_in_K1 | folks, i need some desperate help here. fresh install of sarge, and i can't get X working with my video card. it's an ati rage mobility [0000:01:0.0 in lspci], but X exits out with "no screens found" can someone solve this please? |
| 21:16.01 | gass | it is not archive.debian.org |
| 21:16.10 | emRaffe3 | cydork ya am sure |
| 21:16.19 | EnsignRedshirt | My hard drives are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, and the external USB drive is /dev/sdc. There is no /dev/hd* in /dev. |
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| 21:17.02 | cydork | !tell Cuddles_in_K1 about drxx |
| 21:17.10 | cydork | emRaffe3, sure about ? |
| 21:17.20 | emRaffe3 | device |
| 21:17.31 | emRaffe3 | why cant run |
| 21:17.32 | LunarCrisis | Is there a way to "force" the unmounting of a USB thumbdrive? |
| 21:17.49 | Zenox | Anyone having some experience with NVIDIA nForce 430 or 570 and Debian? Does it work (SATA and NIC)? |
| 21:18.10 | LunarCrisis | sometimes a program (read: konqueror) grabs the drive and never lets go (seemingly even after I close it), and I have to reboot to get the drive to unmount. |
| 21:18.35 | nvz | LunarCrisis: known issue and its not konqueror its kde in general |
| 21:18.46 | nvz | LunarCrisis: not usb thumbdrives either.. any removable media |
| 21:18.49 | Cuddles_in_K1 | cydork, thanks, but i tried that. no joy. related though, it now tells me, "no matching device section for instance (busid pci:1:0:0) found" even though my card is on 0:1:0 |
| 21:18.52 | LunarCrisis | okay, |
| 21:19.05 | LunarCrisis | but as a temporary solution, is there a way to force an unmount? |
| 21:19.10 | nvz | LunarCrisis: I havent dealt with it in ages.. but you basically gotta murder whatever KDE process is holding it |
| 21:19.22 | LunarCrisis | guaranteeing that the FS doesn't get corrupted is what I'm after >.< |
| 21:19.23 | nvz | LunarCrisis: use lsof, fuser.. kill kill kill |
| 21:19.47 | enouf | Closing Konq usually does it |
| 21:20.03 | LunarCrisis | When I use lsof /mnt/usb/ I get no processes, but unmount still tells me it's busy |
| 21:20.33 | enouf | then 'umount -f /mnt/usb' |
| 21:20.37 | emRaffe3 | cydork failed to initialize core devices |
| 21:20.40 | nvz | I forget how we solved this but the kde people are well aware of it and its been fixed upstream |
| 21:21.15 | cydork | emRaffe3, hmm i thing your mouse is not detected or it's on a different device |
| 21:21.23 | cydork | emRaffe3, which kernel are you using? |
| 21:21.24 | enouf | LunarCrisis: try 'ps aux' to locate the process id and kill -9 it |
| 21:21.28 | karsten | LunarCrisis: fuser -kvm <mountpoint> (RTFM first) will kill any processes accessing a given mountpoint. |
| 21:21.33 | karsten | enouf: ^^ |
| 21:21.38 | Cuddles_in_K1 | cydork, any further recommendations? |
| 21:21.43 | LunarCrisis | okay, thanks all |
| 21:21.55 | cydork | Cuddles_in_K1, busid can be left black .. |
| 21:21.59 | karsten | LunarCrisis: 'fuser -vm <mountpoint>' first to see if it's anything critical. |
| 21:22.03 | enouf | karsten: :-p I'm happy to see you too |
| 21:22.10 | karsten | enouf: Yeah, yeah. |
| 21:22.10 | cydork | s/black/blank/ |
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| 21:23.04 | enouf | makes mental notes of 'fuser -kvm mountpoint' |
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| 21:23.23 | cydork | emRaffe3, what does uname -r say? |
| 21:23.23 | Cuddles_in_K1 | cydork, rerunning dpkg with pcibus blank, still no joy. same error. |
| 21:23.29 | emRaffe3 | how to run gnome |
| 21:23.51 | emRaffe3 | 2.4.27-2-686 |
| 21:24.18 | cydork | emRaffe3, etch doesn't support 2.4 kernel. |
| 21:24.28 | cydork | emRaffe3, upgrade to 2.6 |
| 21:25.01 | emRaffe3 | can i connect in wireless |
| 21:25.01 | cydork | Cuddles_in_K1, apt-get install mdetect discover and try again i guess |
| 21:25.07 | cydork | emRaffe3, huh? |
| 21:25.47 | cydork | !tell Cuddles_in_K1 about noscreensfound |
| 21:26.59 | emRaffe3 | cydork do u have the link of daupgrade |
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| 21:27.33 | cydork | emRaffe3, apt-get install linux-image-(486/686) |
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| 21:28.13 | cydork | emRaffe3, chose which one is for you, if you want more kernels, apt-cache search linux-image |
| 21:28.21 | EdLin | !u |
| 21:28.21 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:29.06 | cydork | no i didn't, he did :) |
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| 21:30.07 | klork | guys, how do i assign write permissions to a user over a hda partition? |
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| 21:30.51 | cydork | i'll be back ;) |
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| 21:31.12 | Cuddles_in_K1 | cydork, still no progress here. |
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| 21:31.51 | Zenox | Would this mobo work with Debian Sarge? http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=731 |
| 21:31.56 | latish | How can I benchmark my videocard? glxgears doesn't print it's results anymore like it did in previous versions. |
| 21:32.24 | Zenox | SATA, GFX and NIC that is... I don't care about audio fex |
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| 21:34.23 | EnsignRedshirt | Any ideas for accessing my CD drive? There are no devices of the form hd* in /dev. The hard drives are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. |
| 21:34.24 | d0uglas_ | hi. i'm trying to get apachetop to filter referrers but when i add them in it does nothing. is there a wildcard syntax? does it only work with the complete url? |
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| 21:35.26 | EnsignRedshirt | 'MAKEDEV -v hda' and 'MAKEDEV -v hdc' didn't actually create any devices in /dev. |
| 21:36.01 | emRaffe3 | cydork there are a website learn me how can i put debian on my pc ? |
| 21:36.05 | Cuddles_in_K1 | 3 hours and i'm still no closer to getting this stupid thing to work. |
| 21:36.06 | emRaffe3 | cydork step by step |
| 21:36.22 | rockstar_ | emRaffe3, absolutely. |
| 21:37.02 | Firestarter | anyone here ever deal with avaya wireless routers |
| 21:37.54 | appelza | What package do I need for nforce ethernet cards to work? |
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| 21:38.54 | cat | hey can someone help me out i have a laptop which is a toshiba tecra 8200 but the thing is the kernel boots up, and i've been waiting 20 minutes to get my X start up, but it doesn't and now I'm stock with it, i can't even see the terminals ctrl alt f1 it doesn't allow me is there anyway i can fixed this with out instaling debian again? |
| 21:39.43 | dhuv | cat: after you boot up, are you able to login? |
| 21:39.52 | dhuv | or do you have it boot to X |
| 21:39.54 | cat | nope i can't my monitor is just black |
| 21:40.09 | dhuv | what are the last messages that you see before it goes black? |
| 21:40.12 | cat | i can't see anything it doesn't allow me to do anything is there anyway i can fixed my xorg? |
| 21:40.24 | cat | dhuv none i can't see anything my monitor is black |
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| 21:40.39 | EnsignRedshirt | The output of lspci includes this: 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 04) |
| 21:40.56 | dhuv | are you sure the computer is not crashed, if you press caplocs does the light on your keyboard turn on/off? |
| 21:40.57 | EnsignRedshirt | Should that tell me anything about what device the CD drive should be? |
| 21:41.12 | cat | yes indeed |
| 21:41.18 | dhuv | EnsignRedshirt: cd driver? |
| 21:41.22 | cat | it does but i don't know why it doesn't allow me to go in X, or GDM |
| 21:41.33 | dhuv | cat: hit alt+ctrl+bkspace |
| 21:41.41 | dhuv | does it go to the console? |
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| 21:41.43 | cat | i did nothing happends |
| 21:42.03 | cat | im wondering why does this happend, |
| 21:42.13 | cat | i don't want to reinstall debian again is a paint to get it working with this laptop |
| 21:42.19 | cat | the only choice is ubuntu but i hate it |
| 21:42.21 | Cuddles_in_K1 | bingo. found the problem. |
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| 21:42.22 | dhuv | cat: ok how about if you can ssh into the box from another location, this way you can actually read the xorg.log file and see what its complaining about |
| 21:42.26 | EnsignRedshirt | dhuv: I'm not sure what your question/comment means. I have a CD rom drive, but I don't seem to have a device for it (e.g. /dev/hdc). |
| 21:42.39 | Cuddles_in_K1 | my horiz and vert rates were way too high. |
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| 21:42.44 | cat | dhuv yeah but i need to configured my router which i don't know how to do it, |
| 21:43.07 | dhuv | so you dont know the ip of the laptop? |
| 21:43.21 | cat | i do |
| 21:43.24 | cat | brb |
| 21:43.31 | dhuv | then ssh into it and see if you can get to the log |
| 21:43.39 | appelza | how do I install the forcedeth drivers? |
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| 21:45.12 | Cuddles_in_K1 | ok, next question... |
| 21:45.54 | Cuddles_in_K1 | how can i get rid of postgresql, and put mysql in it's place? |
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| 21:46.19 | cat | okay im back |
| 21:46.24 | cat | im running debian from my pc |
| 21:46.26 | cat | now |
| 21:46.33 | stojic | hello there, I was wondering what are experiences with continuous upgrade of Testing? is it clean and flawless? |
| 21:47.10 | cat | now how do i open the ports so i can ssh to the box |
| 21:47.10 | infernix | stojic: pretty much. i wouldnt run it on servers though. |
| 21:47.31 | infernix | stojic: only on non-production to be more specific |
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| 21:47.58 | stojic | infernix: thanks, I'll give it a go then. it's for my desktop at home, nothing mission-critical |
| 21:48.02 | cat | dhuv: any ideas? |
| 21:48.04 | dhuv | stojic: its fine for my home machines, dont do it on servers |
| 21:48.16 | dhuv | cat: open the port? |
| 21:48.24 | cat | yeah |
| 21:48.25 | dhuv | did you have ssh running? |
| 21:48.36 | cat | yes i do i have ssh running on my pc and on my laptop |
| 21:48.42 | dhuv | if you are on the same network you dont have to open ports on your router |
| 21:48.49 | cat | okay |
| 21:48.52 | cat | so how do i do it? |
| 21:48.54 | dhuv | if you have it running, then ssh to the ip of the laptop |
| 21:48.56 | michael117 | I'm trying to mount some NFS folders from my Debian home server to my Ubuntu box that I'm on now and keep getting errors like this: "mount: 192.168.1.173:/home failed, reason given by server: Permission denied" but not for another folder which has the same settings in /etc/exports as that folder does |
| 21:49.07 | michael117 | whoa? |
| 21:49.20 | stojic | so I just put testing (not etch) in apt.sources and it should stay testing after etch becomes stable? |
| 21:49.26 | cat | but i don't know my laptops ip how can i see it? |
| 21:49.27 | cat | on my pc? |
| 21:49.34 | dhuv | stojic: it should |
| 21:49.36 | michael117 | I am trying to mount NFS folders from my Debian home server to my Ubuntu box that I'm on now but keep getting errors |
| 21:49.37 | rockstar_ | cat ifconfig |
| 21:49.38 | stojic | erm, sources.list, that is |
| 21:49.42 | stojic | ah, ok, thanks |
| 21:49.48 | _priest | michael117: yes youve said that already |
| 21:49.58 | cydork | !tell emRaffe3 about grounding |
| 21:50.08 | michael117 | _priest: sorry, it didn't display correctly in xchat |
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| 21:50.27 | cat | any suggestions dhuv |
| 21:50.34 | _priest | michael117: are you running a firewall |
| 21:50.53 | dhuv | cat: to get the ip, you can do the following: guess (the numbers should be withing a small range), scan for ssh with nmap, go to the web interface of your router and see what other devices are connected |
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| 21:51.00 | michael117 | _priest: actually this is internally on my home LAN |
| 21:51.02 | _priest | michael117: what does showmount -e <nfs serveR> display |
| 21:51.32 | cat | dhuv: ?? |
| 21:51.36 | cat | i already have my routers ip |
| 21:51.47 | cat | 192.168.0.1 that's my routers ip |
| 21:51.48 | stojic | one more: I am better off installing from testing netinst CD than installing Sarge and upgrading to etch, right? (I ask because I have Sarge CDs here, but I'm aware that upgrading it will require as much download as fresh installing Testing) |
| 21:51.54 | cat | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.1 port 22: Connection refused |
| 21:52.14 | jelly-home | stojic: btw, it really depends on how often do you upgrade. In my experience, if it's more than a month between upgrades, it usually doesn't come up as neither clean nor flawless. Mostly minor bugs, if you're versed in Debian specifics you shouldn't have much problems. |
| 21:52.23 | michael117 | michael@jeffery:~$ showmount -e 192.168.1.173 |
| 21:52.24 | michael117 | Export list for 192.168.1.173: |
| 21:52.24 | michael117 | /home/server 192.168.1.* |
| 21:52.51 | appelza | Is there a downloadable etch iso? |
| 21:53.12 | _priest | michael117: and /home/server is failing to mount? |
| 21:53.12 | michael117 | I have it set up in my fstab to automatically mount them: |
| 21:53.13 | michael117 | 192.168.1.173:/home /home/michael/Server/home nfs rw,user 0 0 |
| 21:53.13 | michael117 | 192.168.1.173:/disk2 /home/michael/Server/disk2 nfs rw,user 0 0 |
| 21:53.13 | michael117 | 192.168.1.173:/var/www /home/michael/Server/Web nfs rw,user 0 0 |
| 21:53.21 | stojic | jelly-home: thanks, I'm mostly around my box and have fast connection, so upgrading often won't be a problem |
| 21:53.23 | cat | any ideas dhuv ? |
| 21:53.23 | _priest | which one is failing to mount |
| 21:53.37 | cydork | !tell appelza about etch |
| 21:53.50 | keith80403 | !tell keith80403 about etch |
| 21:54.12 | cydork | !tell about msg the bot |
| 21:54.18 | michael117 | _priest: only disk2 is mounting |
| 21:54.22 | cydork | !tell keith80403 about msg the bot |
| 21:54.35 | EnsignRedshirt | What can I do to figure out why I don't seem to have a device for my CDROM drive? |
| 21:54.50 | cydork | hehe this happens after a beer i guess |
| 21:54.53 | _priest | michael117: i dont think you can mount sub directories like that over nfs if you are already mounting the parent |
| 21:54.55 | keith80403 | cydork, Thanks for that info |
| 21:55.24 | _priest | michael117: oh wait nm |
| 21:55.28 | _priest | line breaks :\ |
| 21:55.54 | michael117 | _priest: haha, yes. I actually had this working before |
| 21:56.37 | _priest | hmm not sure how you are mounting anything if on /home/server is being exported |
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| 21:57.29 | _priest | michael117: you aren't exporting /disk2 or /var/www |
| 21:57.34 | emRaffe3 | cydork |
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| 21:57.56 | emRaffe3 | i cant make upgrade from internet becouse i dont connect in internet |
| 21:58.06 | emRaffe3 | my kernel is 2.4 |
| 21:58.07 | michael117 | here is my current /etc/exports from the server |
| 21:58.10 | michael117 | /var/www 192.168.1.*(rw) |
| 21:58.27 | _priest | michael117: thats it? |
| 21:58.30 | cydork | emRaffe3, why not ? |
| 21:58.30 | michael117 | wait |
| 21:58.31 | michael117 | no |
| 21:58.32 | jelly-home | stojic: tracking testing may result in eg. missing xserver package or something like that, but, unlike unstable, never in broken libc6 ;-) This channel (and the official one) are pretty useful when researching solutions for latest fubars. |
| 21:58.38 | michael117 | it wasn't displaying correctly |
| 21:58.47 | emRaffe3 | cydork how can i connect to internet with wireless now ? |
| 21:58.58 | michael117 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.07 | _priest | michael117: re-run exportfs -a on the server |
| 21:59.08 | michael117 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.09 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: lets see your /etc/fstab - use pastebin ...do not paste the info into channel |
| 21:59.15 | _priest | and then re-run showmount -e <server> on the client |
| 21:59.16 | cydork | emRaffe3, ohh then how do you connect to internet normally ? or you dont? |
| 21:59.16 | michael117 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:59.31 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: paste the URL to the pastebin |
| 21:59.33 | emRaffe3 | cydork i have another pc |
| 22:00.14 | cydork | emRaffe3, do you have cds for testing? |
| 22:00.20 | stojic | jelly-home: thanks for the info. I'll go for testing then, looking forward to using Debian again :) |
| 22:00.22 | emRaffe3 | yes i have |
| 22:00.23 | _priest | bbl |
| 22:00.30 | michael117 | _priest: Well done, sir! |
| 22:00.39 | cydork | emRaffe3, then you can use them, check your sources.list |
| 22:01.26 | emRaffe3 | how can i check source.list ? |
| 22:01.32 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3748 |
| 22:01.41 | cat | cat emRaffe3 /etc/apt/sources.list or nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:01.47 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: But I have no /dev/hdc |
| 22:02.14 | cydork | emRaffe3, check if it has cdrom lines, if not use apt-cdrom to add cds |
| 22:02.28 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: ok .. what's your deb version cat /etc/debian_version and cat uname -r |
| 22:03.10 | emRaffe3 | cat i have kernel 2.6 in the Cd's but how can i install it or how to upgrade my kernel ? |
| 22:03.12 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: deb version: 3.1 |
| 22:03.16 | emRaffe3 | yes |
| 22:03.25 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: uname -r: 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
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| 22:04.21 | cydork | emRaffe3, then just use apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 22:04.38 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: Ok .. .. seems like sarge only - did the device ever work? and did it work ever while attached in this system ? |
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| 22:05.14 | cydork | emRaffe3, and then use apt-get install to install the kernel that you want |
| 22:05.39 | emRaffe3 | i did |
| 22:06.10 | emRaffe3 | but when i choose the kernel i want , he said put the Cd.. and the CD inside! |
| 22:06.12 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: Yes, it has worked. I installed debian from a CD. |
| 22:07.10 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: first thing that's an easy test is to take off the 0 from cdrom0 - use an editor as root to edit the file, but 1st pastebin the output of 'lsmod | grep ide' |
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| 22:07.54 | Hub441 | hi! |
| 22:08.23 | Hub441 | could anyone please tell me distcc's UID ? |
| 22:08.53 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3749 |
| 22:09.06 | karsten | Hub441: ?? |
| 22:09.09 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: ok - great - I'd also like to see cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:09.44 | Hub441 | karsten: sorry got no debian installed right now |
| 22:09.52 | simonrvn | that is nice, curl resumes even 'file:' url schemes |
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| 22:10.13 | cydork | too much beer :P |
| 22:10.15 | Supaplex | neato. sorta like rsync |
| 22:10.21 | simonrvn | if ever you find yourself having to interrupt a cp/mv transfer, try it |
| 22:10.28 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3750 |
| 22:10.29 | simonrvn | yeh, less overhead ;) |
| 22:10.33 | Supaplex | cydork: try /nick cydrunkard |
| 22:10.48 | karsten | Hub441: what do you mean by distcc and what do you mean by UID? |
| 22:11.09 | cydork | Supaplex, that will result in me getting more drunk :P |
| 22:11.12 | karsten | Hub441: users have UIDs. Specified in /etc/password. Processes have EUIDs governed by the owning user or suid. |
| 22:11.21 | karsten | Hub441: Your question doesn't make sense |
| 22:11.24 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: the lsmod looks fine - but can't hurt to (as root) modprobe ide_generic and modprobe ide_disk |
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| 22:11.49 | Hub441 | karsten: it does, i just ned the UID specified in /etc/passwd for the distcc-user, thats all :) |
| 22:11.52 | mikefoo | I keep getting device busy when I try to change partition system id, anyone have an idea? using fdisk |
| 22:12.32 | emRaffe3 | there are a website learn me how can i put debian on my pc ? |
| 22:12.33 | emRaffe3 | ? |
| 22:12.43 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: After modprobe ide_generic, /dev/hdc now exists. |
| 22:12.44 | cydork | emRaffe3, what happened now? |
| 22:12.55 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: ahhh ... |
| 22:13.00 | karsten | Hub441: check Debian policy. |
| 22:13.12 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: Should I still do modprobe ide_disk? |
| 22:13.15 | simonrvn | /etc/passwd but who's keeping track ;p |
| 22:13.27 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: now add that to /etc/modules - and should stay after rebooting |
| 22:13.46 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: ide_disk loikely isn't necessary then |
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| 22:13.48 | cydork | Hub441, didn't you just answer your own question? |
| 22:13.52 | enouf | likely* |
| 22:13.58 | simonrvn | i blame slow nfs ... |
| 22:14.09 | karsten | Hub441: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/usersid.htm |
| 22:14.09 | simonrvn | i should up the r/w size server-side... |
| 22:14.18 | cydork | !blame simonrvn |
| 22:14.18 | Hub441 | cydork: the only problem is that i dont have a debian system right here |
| 22:14.20 | Hub441 | karsten: thx |
| 22:14.44 | karsten | Hub441: ... which doesn't list the specific users. |
| 22:14.49 | cydork | Hub441, huh? then what are you doing here? :P |
| 22:14.52 | Hub441 | karsten: indeed |
| 22:15.06 | karsten | Hub441: You can d/l the package and check it / its install scripts |
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| 22:15.13 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: FYI: /etc/modules currently has ide-cd, ide-detect and sd_mod |
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| 22:15.25 | Hub441 | cydork: im building a package for a debian-like distro, that took the uid-policy from debian |
| 22:15.44 | enouf | EnsignRedshirt: that's all fine - just add the ide_generic on a new line in where the ide entries are |
| 22:15.51 | cydork | Hub441, screw that distro install debian :) |
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| 22:16.37 | appelza | what do |
| 22:16.48 | appelza | I need to type at the bootprompt so sarge installs 2.6? |
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| 22:17.10 | karsten | Hub441: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/distcc/distcc_2.18.3-3_i386.deb |
| 22:17.23 | cydork | appelza, linux26 |
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| 22:18.29 | Hub441 | karsten: and how do in unpack deb-packages? |
| 22:18.40 | karsten | Hub441: AFAICT it's just a name, no specific userid. |
| 22:18.45 | karsten | Hub441: distccd. |
| 22:19.07 | karsten | Hub441: ... it's tarballs in an 'ar' archive. Just use 'mc', it transparently access debs as a virtual filesystem |
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| 22:19.57 | cydork | Hub441, wht do you want exactly? uid for a existing user? |
| 22:20.24 | karsten | Hub441: In postinst: adduser --quiet --system --ingroup nogroup --home / --no-create-home $DISTCC_USER |
| 22:20.28 | Hub441 | cydork: i just need the uid for distcc which is used on debian-systems, thats all |
| 22:20.38 | karsten | Hub441: So it's simply assigned the next available system user ID. |
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| 22:20.58 | cydork | Hub441, so the username is distcc?? |
| 22:21.05 | karsten | Hub441: Other than root, UIDs aren't significant anyhow, other than local reference. |
| 22:21.14 | karsten | Hub441: ... where local == local system. |
| 22:21.21 | Hub441 | cydork: no, the _UID_ not the username! |
| 22:21.44 | karsten | Hub441: mu |
| 22:21.53 | karsten | Hub441: See above. |
| 22:21.59 | Cuddles_in_K1 | ok folks, another strage error... "QSettins: error creating /root/.qt" and then "Session Management error: Authentication Rejected, reason: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed." |
| 22:22.01 | karsten | All you need is the username. |
| 22:22.07 | simonrvn | aah, bit better now |
| 22:22.10 | cydork | Hub441, id -u username |
| 22:22.12 | Cuddles_in_K1 | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 22:22.13 | cydork | :P |
| 22:22.13 | appelza | thanks cydork |
| 22:22.22 | appelza | any idea if i need additional media to install 2.6 |
| 22:22.24 | rockstar_ | Does anyone here use accessors in their OOP? |
| 22:22.28 | Hub441 | i give up... |
| 22:22.28 | appelza | or does cd1 include it? |
| 22:22.29 | karsten | cydork: He's trying to find out what specific UID Debian assigns to the user distcc. There is none. |
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| 22:22.34 | simonrvn | appelza: no you don't |
| 22:22.47 | karsten | cydork: ... which I told him, specifically. Feh. |
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| 22:22.56 | appelza | awesome |
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| 22:23.21 | appelza | jeezus ive been struggling getting my new amd64 nforce 4's networking to work, then i realised 2.4 was being installed |
| 22:23.23 | appelza | no wonder? |
| 22:23.37 | JayB0b | What is the purpose of identd, and rpcbind? |
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| 22:23.44 | JayB0b | And should both be working? |
| 22:23.47 | JayB0b | running* |
| 22:23.51 | metalero9 | eso es |
| 22:24.00 | Cuddles_in_K1 | anyone? |
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| 22:24.49 | karsten | JayB0b: identd responds to ident requests (see your freenode login banner). rpcbind IIRC is for NFS or Samba. |
| 22:24.59 | karsten | JayB0b: identd: RFC 1413 |
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| 22:25.10 | nk | hi |
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| 22:25.17 | JayB0b | Ah, samba |
| 22:25.19 | nk | pheraps a little ot, but i'm looking for a good housing provider that offers VPS on debian, do you know any? |
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| 22:25.34 | karsten | nk: VPS? |
| 22:25.43 | karsten | nk: s/housing/hosting/ ? |
| 22:25.45 | nk | virtual server |
| 22:26.04 | nk | housing, uhm... shell and a lot of space |
| 22:26.06 | karsten | nk: *NOT* tin.it ;-) |
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| 22:26.12 | nk | ahahhaha |
| 22:26.18 | benkong2 | can the default desktop be changed in a debian install? |
| 22:26.26 | Cuddles_in_K1 | can someone tell me how to fix that error please? |
| 22:26.29 | karsten | nk: Scumsucking spam-meisters of S. EU. |
| 22:27.00 | nk | i know |
| 22:27.26 | nk | well, i think you call it "dedicated virtual server", i say "housing" |
| 22:27.51 | karsten | Sure. I'd call it hosting providing virtual servers. Google or check your local LUG for suggestions. |
| 22:28.34 | nk | i checked dmoz for a long time, i don't want italian services, too bad |
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| 22:29.10 | nk | i think i'll have to search for a long time |
| 22:29.11 | luke-jr_work | nk: fdcservers.com? |
| 22:29.30 | karsten | JayB0b: rpcbind: NFS/NIS |
| 22:29.51 | JayB0b | NFS/NIS? |
| 22:30.03 | stoned | !nfs |
| 22:30.03 | dpkg | methinks nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs', or http://linuxslut.net/guides/nfs.php |
| 22:30.06 | karsten | nk: What sort of virtual servers? You've got options of apache vhosts, vservers, xen, uml. |
| 22:30.09 | nk | luke-jr_work: looks good, do you know any with a flat bandwidth? |
| 22:30.10 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 22:30.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 22:30.11 | karsten | JayB0b: rpcbind. |
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| 22:30.16 | luke-jr_work | nk: flat? |
| 22:30.28 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: Thanks for you help--I was about to mount a data CD (but I had to be root). I get an error (Unable to initialize [/dev/cdrom]) when I run grip. /devcdrom does exist. |
| 22:30.30 | nk | flat gb/month |
| 22:30.33 | tuxedup | Does anyone know what ports need to be open for GnuNet to work? |
| 22:30.36 | EnsignRedshirt | s/you help/your help/ |
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| 22:31.10 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: I mean, when I run grip with a music CD in the drive, I get an error. |
| 22:31.16 | luke-jr_work | nk: FDCServers just gives you a connection speed and doesn't meter it |
| 22:31.20 | MadRush | if i install apache2 w/ php4 and mysql, do i need to do anything with config files to get mysql to cooperate with php? |
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| 22:31.30 | luke-jr_work | nk: the VPS #1, for example, is 1 Mbit |
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| 22:32.04 | JayB0b | Sorry, I'm not one for acronyms :P |
| 22:32.09 | JayB0b | crikey |
| 22:32.09 | JayB0b | Hmm |
| 22:32.10 | JayB0b | karsten, should close rpcbind? |
| 22:32.18 | nk | luke-jr_work: can i query you? |
| 22:32.28 | luke-jr_work | ... why not? |
| 22:32.32 | karsten | JayB0b: One option is to do that and see if anything breaks. |
| 22:32.44 | JayB0b | hm =/ |
| 22:32.45 | karsten | JayB0b: ... if not, sure, remove it. Easy enough to restore. |
| 22:32.47 | JayB0b | I'm running VNC too |
| 22:32.54 | Cuddles_in_K1 | ok folks, another strage error... "QSettins: error creating /root/.qt" and then "Session Management error: Authentication Rejected, reason: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed." |
| 22:32.57 | JayB0b | Could that be anythingt to do with it? |
| 22:33.12 | Cuddles_in_K1 | can someone please help me with that? |
| 22:33.33 | EnsignRedshirt | enouf: The error is just permssion problem... if I run grip with gksudo, I can play the music cd. |
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| 22:34.32 | benkong2 | that dpkg is a great read. Informative also thanks. Do all IRC bots in the various channels work like that? |
| 22:34.58 | karsten | benkong2: No. |
| 22:35.11 | karsten | benkong2: Some do, some don't. dpkg has been lovingly cared for for years here. |
| 22:35.18 | benkong2 | karsten: darn must be why I am moving to Debian |
| 22:35.18 | EnsignRedshirt | If I add myself to the cdrom group, do I have to log out and in again for it to take effect? |
| 22:35.36 | SeanTater | flashplugin-nonfree: "automatic installation failed due to network problems or upstream changes" <- what do I do to fix this? |
| 22:35.41 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Generally, yes. You can also 'newgrp cdrom' within a specific shell. |
| 22:35.58 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: However other processes (including your window manager, which spans most others) won't inherit that setting. |
| 22:36.13 | karsten | EnsignRedshirt: Which is why we say "generally, yes". |
| 22:36.18 | benkong2 | I have tried a full gammit of linux distros each has its pros and cons but debian seems to fit my bill the best. Thanks all |
| 22:36.31 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: Thanks. |
| 22:36.31 | dowdo | Nighty |
| 22:37.03 | karsten | benkong2: Works well for us. Ubuntu may be somewhat easier to get up and running, but Debian's community support kicks major ass. |
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| 22:37.08 | EnsignRedshirt | karsten: No need to worry about marauding aliens. I'm perfectly saf |
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| 22:37.20 | karsten | <grin> |
| 22:37.45 | Supaplex | newgrp. cool. |
| 22:38.08 | benkong2 | What I am finding out is, while good ubuntu seems to slow down with all the extra stuff. I want a light fast distro |
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| 22:38.11 | benkong2 | for learning java and ruby |
| 22:38.24 | karsten | benkong2: Dig. |
| 22:38.34 | JayB0b | how can you easily tell if someone is connected to you over VNC on linux? On Windows there is a security tray... |
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| 22:39.02 | JayB0b | And how can you disconnect them easily (without typing out commands, they obviously won't let you if they dont want you to) |
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| 22:39.25 | JayB0b | s/security\ tray/systray |
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| 22:39.56 | karsten | JayB0b: Unless you're running X11vnc, nobody's listening to your current desktop. |
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| 22:40.05 | boss2 | does anyone know a method to e-mail filtered syslog events, i.e. im looking to e-mail myself in the event of wan link failures, im using cisco gear and dumping to a syslog server on my gentoo box, i just want to e-mail based on a filter criteria |
| 22:40.16 | karsten | JayB0b: ... and you can always shell into the box on an independent session (or switch to a VC) and check processes. |
| 22:40.30 | JayB0b | Hmm |
| 22:40.36 | JayB0b | vino-server is what I'd be using |
| 22:40.36 | stew | boss2: there is logwatch |
| 22:40.42 | JayB0b | Comes with gnome |
| 22:40.44 | karsten | boss2: Lots of stuff. "snort" is probably the log-based tool of choice. Logwatch. Nagios. |
| 22:41.05 | boss2 | nice thx |
| 22:41.14 | withayanda | i'm trying to install (netinstall) debian (etch) for my first time. i've put in the CD, but it can't find a driver for my cdrom. |
| 22:41.30 | simonrvn | withayanda: you boot from it |
| 22:41.53 | enouf | karsten: thanks for the follow up with EnsignRedshirt ... I was busy - perhaps he should've also added himself to the 'audio' group as well |
| 22:41.59 | withayanda | simonrvn: i am booting from it, but it stops at the beginning wanting a driver. |
| 22:42.02 | JayB0b | should I use something else other than vino-server for VNC> |
| 22:42.15 | karsten | enouf: Doesn't matter. He's dead, Jim. Killed by aliens. |
| 22:42.17 | JayB0b | ?* |
| 22:42.21 | simonrvn | where? |
| 22:42.33 | simonrvn | where does it stop? |
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| 22:42.40 | karsten | simonrvn: At the end. |
| 22:42.51 | Malagmyr | Can I put wildcards in /etc/aliases? At the bottom of all others, perhaps? So that, for instance, mail sent to sdhuifhiusdhfuisd@domain.com goes to default@domain.com ? |
| 22:42.59 | simonrvn | of what? |
| 22:43.08 | withayanda | simonrvn: right after it asks me my location & keyboard. |
| 22:43.26 | Supaplex | Malagmyr: generally no. What MTA are you using? |
| 22:43.44 | Malagmyr | Supaplex: postfix |
| 22:43.46 | simonrvn | you're aware those are *testing*, and *for* testing, eh? |
| 22:43.49 | karsten | Malagmyr: I *think* so. That's a sendmail (or MTA) feature, read your docs. Point is though that you very likely don't want to do this because of spamming. |
| 22:44.05 | simonrvn | IOW, expect bugs |
| 22:44.09 | Malagmyr | karsten: good point... |
| 22:44.17 | Supaplex | Malagmyr: you can create a perlre map. first match wins. Check #postfix for more info. |
| 22:44.19 | karsten | simonrvn: ... bugs in the end? |
| 22:44.30 | Malagmyr | fuck, i'll leave it alone. people can spell my address right if they wanna nag me. |
| 22:44.32 | simonrvn | picking nits |
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| 22:45.01 | Supaplex | Malagmyr: but it's so much funner when you get all the extra spam. |
| 22:45.04 | karsten | All rusty and lost in the woods. |
| 22:45.11 | simonrvn | steel traps are too big for nits |
| 22:45.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:45.28 | simonrvn | that'll get the rust out, but you need lube |
| 22:45.33 | Malagmyr | Supaplex: Can't get enough penis pump ads |
| 22:46.02 | Malagmyr | nobody quote that. |
| 22:46.20 | simonrvn | too late |
| 22:46.22 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 22:46.39 | Supaplex | yup, bash.org ate it. |
| 22:47.11 | stoned | hey simon |
| 22:47.15 | karsten | Malagmyr: Tell it to the judge. |
| 22:47.22 | simonrvn | hello stoned |
| 22:47.23 | withayanda | could it possibly be asking for cdrom drivers at boot because it's a scsi cdrom (?)? i'm just a simple developer and don't know much of anything about hardware. sorry. |
| 22:47.27 | stoned | whats going on my man |
| 22:47.46 | simonrvn | moving my tarred up home dir to my new ~/ |
| 22:47.46 | Malagmyr | Time to aquire a botnet and vote for - ... |
| 22:47.56 | stoned | word |
| 22:48.00 | stoned | exciting work there |
| 22:48.12 | simonrvn | fs corruption+kernel bugs made my last install buggered |
| 22:48.20 | simonrvn | oh wonderfully fun |
| 22:48.24 | simonrvn | *snore* |
| 22:48.38 | stoned | I got a new account today for a big insurance company, they ordering like 5000 MS liscences and like 100k worth gear |
| 22:49.09 | stoned | then I came home and compiled a few packages |
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| 22:49.13 | stoned | now I'm toking a bowl |
| 22:49.13 | enouf | farts |
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| 22:49.35 | stoned | public flatualation is not good |
| 22:49.44 | Supaplex | !light enouf |
| 22:49.44 | nvz | that all depends |
| 22:49.50 | JayB0b | whats the difference between /usr/bin and /bin? |
| 22:50.02 | Supaplex | the path |
| 22:50.05 | simonrvn | one's on /usr the other one isn't ;p |
| 22:50.33 | nvz | you could for example clear the line at the bank, post office.. etc with a good presentation of public flatulance |
| 22:50.40 | stoned | lamb of god is about as sweet as debian |
| 22:50.57 | appelza | Hi guys, my network can ping itself and ifconfig shows the correct info, but I cant ping outside or have any hosts ping me |
| 22:51.08 | appelza | any ideas? I've tried reinstalling twice now and different cards |
| 22:51.10 | simonrvn | /usr can potentially be unmounted, so basic essential binaries "live" in /bin |
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| 22:51.25 | nvz | sounds like a routing problem |
| 22:51.33 | simonrvn | yup |
| 22:52.51 | simonrvn | JayB0b: so you'll have stuff like ln, cp, echo, etc. in /bin |
| 22:53.55 | JayB0b | why isn't everything just kept in /bin then? |
| 22:53.58 | JayB0b | lol |
| 22:54.12 | simonrvn | look who came to visit me, my cat. she's on my lap now |
| 22:54.35 | simonrvn | because not everything belongs there. see the LHS for details |
| 22:54.38 | nvz | the more important question is why doesnt everyone keep statically compiled binaries laying around? |
| 22:54.40 | simonrvn | !lhs |
| 22:54.40 | dpkg | somebody said lhs was Left Hand Side |
| 22:54.46 | simonrvn | meh |
| 22:54.50 | nvz | FHS? |
| 22:54.53 | simonrvn | !fhs |
| 22:54.53 | dpkg | fhs is probably the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
| 22:55.01 | simonrvn | yes thank you :) |
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| 22:55.18 | enouf | starts the night with a heavy swig-o-grog |
| 22:55.26 | enouf | LHS ...rofl |
| 22:56.42 | peterS | LSB, FHS, LFS, DHL, PHP.. |
| 22:57.04 | shay | STFU |
| 22:57.06 | shay | *grin* |
| 22:57.07 | simonrvn | nvz: often they're bigger, and other problems... but they're useful if your glibc is fubar ;) |
| 22:57.20 | shay | enouf, it's simple, just RTFM <g> |
| 22:57.25 | simonrvn | STFW |
| 22:57.29 | nvz | simonrvn: yep |
| 22:57.50 | karsten | simonrvn: So is STFU only half the web? |
| 22:57.58 | nvz | LSD, PCP, GHB .. |
| 22:58.09 | simonrvn | lsd, lb, fhs, hfs, jfs, nfs, sun, java |
| 22:58.16 | shay | LSD! |
| 22:58.17 | simonrvn | "java sucks!" |
| 22:58.20 | shay | yeah, I agree |
| 22:58.21 | karsten | nvz: BHT ATP PHD NCR COD DOA |
| 22:58.22 | appelza | what version of debian should i use for an opteron? |
| 22:58.24 | enouf | acromonious soup |
| 22:58.32 | karsten | appelza: 32 or 64? |
| 22:58.40 | simonrvn | acronymious soup |
| 22:58.41 | appelza | 64 |
| 22:58.43 | peterS | I don't believe in STFW, that's an ESRism that he tried to popularize on the strength of his own mighty amateur anthropologist personality |
| 22:58.46 | karsten | appelza: 32: amd64 |
| 22:58.48 | peterS | instead I just say RTFG |
| 22:58.48 | enouf | thank you |
| 22:59.12 | karsten | peterS: GIYGF |
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| 22:59.16 | shay | enouf, http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/ |
| 22:59.17 | peterS | she is not |
| 22:59.18 | simonrvn | GGAGF |
| 22:59.26 | karsten | ROFL |
| 22:59.36 | simonrvn | ROFLcopter |
| 22:59.48 | appelza | is that the same as : binary-ia64/ coz I dont see an binary-amd64 on the mirrors |
| 22:59.53 | peterS | how did the Copts get mixed up in ROFL, anyway? |
| 22:59.57 | peterS | I never quite understood that |
| 23:00.05 | simonrvn | i suppose the noise they make |
| 23:00.14 | simonrvn | rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl |
| 23:00.15 | peterS | appelza: no, ia64 is something different, you have to pay at least $3000 for one of those |
| 23:00.20 | karsten | peterS: veliciroflcopter? |
| 23:00.26 | karsten | peterS: veliciroflcopteraptor. |
| 23:00.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:00.50 | peterS | buncha philistines. none of you remember who the Copts were |
| 23:01.04 | enouf | doo bee doo bee do... burps out antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 23:01.08 | doublehp | how do I mount "ext2 filesystem data (compressed)" ? |
| 23:01.10 | simonrvn | i do |
| 23:01.12 | karsten | peterS: Well, that's 'coz they were cryptic coptics. |
| 23:01.29 | rockstar_ | karsten I hate cryptics coptics. They're so annoying. |
| 23:01.38 | appelza | I cant find the amd64 on the mirrors |
| 23:01.43 | simonrvn | they were prudish xtians who destroyed ancient egyptian monuments |
| 23:01.44 | appelza | could you please help me with a link |
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| 23:01.46 | karsten | doublehp: filesystem image? |
| 23:01.47 | peterS | karsten: they weren't cryptic, they were egyptic |
| 23:01.57 | rockstar_ | You're minding your own business and they come marching in, crawl up your leg, and start biting the insides of your ass... |
| 23:02.05 | karsten | peterS: ARe you assyrious/ |
| 23:02.11 | simonrvn | rockstar_: is that fantasy of yours? |
| 23:02.15 | enouf | I need to add to my string-of-po-LOP-onies |
| 23:02.18 | enouf | !pony me |
| 23:02.21 | peterS | nah they were way before the copts |
| 23:02.24 | enouf | thanks dpkg |
| 23:02.24 | dpkg | enouf: my pleasure |
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| 23:03.08 | karsten | appelza: stable or testing? |
| 23:03.21 | karsten | appelza: stable: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/ia64/iso-cd/debian-31r3-ia64-netinst.iso |
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| 23:03.29 | karsten | appelza: Otherwise, read: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 23:03.33 | simonrvn | !bitchx |
| 23:03.33 | dpkg | somebody said bitchx was a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. as a debian package, screwed up and not falling back to IPv4 when IPv6 ain't possible, or not as good as irssi, and needs less moronic /quit messages, or if you are an irssi user who is annoyed by said /quit messages, "/ignore -regexp -pattern BX QUITS" |
| 23:03.41 | celebaby | !dude |
| 23:03.41 | dpkg | like, y'knoow. |
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| 23:04.09 | appelza | Thanks |
| 23:04.11 | karsten | peterS: I thought that GWMGF, but then I found out she wasn't interested in my type. Heard she was lebanese. |
| 23:04.26 | peterS | she might be. I'm not certain. |
| 23:04.34 | karsten | peterS: ... it was allah for naught. |
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| 23:05.23 | Daveman | Evening, PeterS :) |
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| 23:05.55 | celebaby | hi, folks |
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| 23:09.32 | alus | looks like the "gcc" package is 4.1 |
| 23:09.42 | alus | how can I install 3.4 and make it default? |
| 23:09.55 | infernix | apt-get install gcc-3.4; update-alternatives --set gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 23:10.01 | azeem | alus: apt-get install gcc-3.4 |
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| 23:10.11 | simonrvn | it doesn't use alternatives... |
| 23:10.15 | infernix | oh. |
| 23:10.19 | azeem | alus: export CC=gcc-3.4 |
| 23:10.20 | simonrvn | how many times does one person have to say this... |
| 23:10.24 | infernix | i was just guesstimating |
| 23:10.31 | simonrvn | don't guess, know |
| 23:10.33 | azeem | alus: or just change the symlinks yourself |
| 23:10.37 | alus | ow. |
| 23:10.39 | sticky | Anyone familiar with setting a cap for bandwidth? Such as 1mbps on .38 and 5bmps on .39 ? |
| 23:10.42 | azeem | simonrvn: it *is* an educated guess |
| 23:10.46 | infernix | simonrvn: im tired :) |
| 23:10.53 | karsten | http://www.bash.org/?673771 |
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| 23:11.00 | dondelelcaro | sticky: you can use tc to do that fairly easily |
| 23:11.14 | sticky | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll look into it |
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| 23:11.28 | infernix | sticky: www.lartc.org. also look at wondershaper, might get you started. |
| 23:11.32 | dondelelcaro | sticky: the lartc has the details on how to do it |
| 23:11.52 | karsten | ... and vaguely topical: http://www.bash.org/?673372 |
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| 23:12.35 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 23:12.55 | Miraterre-J | hi guys, I've done a kernel patch/recompile and now my initrd is not loading the fs drivers can anyone help me troubleshoot? |
| 23:13.06 | karsten | The movie quote is pretty spot-on though: Hollywood loves motion, and you can do that trivially. |
| 23:13.11 | Miraterre-J | get this error on boot: debian "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,2)" |
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| 23:13.30 | karsten | Miraterre-J: You should be able to check your initrd by mounting it loopback. Usually as cramfs. |
| 23:13.32 | infernix | karsten: i've seen some hacker movies that actually used something that looked alot like ssh |
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| 23:13.46 | Miraterre-J | can you tell me the exact command? |
| 23:13.47 | karsten | Miraterre-J: mount -o loop,r -t cramfs /boot/initrd-$( uname -r ) /initrd |
| 23:13.52 | Miraterre-J | cool |
| 23:14.16 | karsten | infernix: ssh, nmap, kismet. |
| 23:14.17 | Miraterre-J | lemme try that, what should I look for? |
| 23:14.18 | harmfool | cramfs = cream fields fest ? |
| 23:14.19 | karsten | Miraterre-J: Erm. |
| 23:14.31 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.58 | infernix | there is some terrible stuff i movies though. like in Swordfish for instance. |
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| 23:15.13 | infernix | some funky 3d modelled hacking mumbo jumbo |
| 23:15.13 | karsten | Miraterre-J: More recent initrds are gzip files with other stuff in 'em. |
| 23:15.15 | Guerin | karsten: the fact that movie computers still output text one character at a time, with an annoying beep makes me want to hit people with hammers. |
| 23:15.25 | Guerin | welcome to the 1980s, people |
| 23:15.36 | dondelelcaro | bonus points if they show phosphor delay |
| 23:15.39 | karsten | Guerin: Tons of the old-school interfaces are actually done in Tcl/Tk. |
| 23:15.47 | simonrvn | welcome to a fubar terminal because someone catted a binary like X |
| 23:15.49 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: right. |
| 23:16.01 | asg | karsten: even new-school ones like sguil |
| 23:16.27 | doublehp | karsten: I made a local copy of the device, so I can either debug drive, partition, or local image ... what ever you want to test :) |
| 23:16.29 | karsten | Miraterre-J: one sec here. |
| 23:16.39 | karsten | doublehp: What was the question? |
| 23:17.02 | Miraterre-J | hey, that uname thing in the command you gave... |
| 23:17.23 | Miraterre-J | is that to mount the correct, current image? |
| 23:17.27 | karsten | Miraterre-J: shell escape/expansion. |
| 23:17.32 | nvz | Guerin: what do you expect from movies.. hell that little paralyzed kid on Rumble In The Bronx seemed fairly ammused by that Sega GameGear with no game cartridge in it |
| 23:17.48 | karsten | Miraterre-J: Yeah, initrd to match your current running kernel. WHich isn't the one giving you trouble since that's the one you can't boot ;-) |
| 23:17.53 | Miraterre-J | yeah |
| 23:17.57 | karsten | Miraterre-J: Current initrds are gzipped cpio images. |
| 23:18.08 | Miraterre-J | so should I just type the actual name of the file and omit that part |
| 23:18.13 | doublehp | karsten: mounting compressed ext, unsuported feature problem: mouting failes; the FS have been found in ROM in embeded device; I dont know how its been created, but if I boot it, I got lilo Linux and bash; now ROM is out of box, and I want to mount the ROM on my work station |
| 23:18.17 | karsten | HTF do I expand a cpio image? |
| 23:18.22 | karsten | doublehp: Right. |
| 23:18.30 | karsten | doublehp: Ah. Right. |
| 23:18.50 | karsten | doublehp: compressed ext2 or cramfs? |
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| 23:18.53 | simonrvn | it's built with -c newc or something (something about newc, sec) |
| 23:19.37 | doublehp | karsten: file /tmp/sda3 => /tmp/sda3: Linux rev 1.0 ext2 filesystem data (compressed) |
| 23:19.47 | karsten | Miraterre-J: mkdir /tmp/initrd; cd /tmp/initrd; zcat /boot/initrd.img-<spec> | cpio -i |
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| 23:19.58 | karsten | doublehp: Interesting. |
| 23:20.13 | Miraterre-J | instead of the other stuff? |
| 23:20.16 | simonrvn | early-userspace/buffer-format.txt: The initramfs buffer format is based around the "newc" or "crc" CPIO |
| 23:20.18 | epsilon | in dpkg --[get|set]-selections, is it possible to delete all as "purge" marked packages from the list? |
| 23:20.20 | karsten | Miraterre-J: Yeah. |
| 23:20.23 | Miraterre-J | ok |
| 23:20.24 | karsten | Miraterre-J: ... if it won't mount as cramfs |
| 23:20.28 | simonrvn | in debian it's newc |
| 23:20.43 | karsten | Miraterre-J: And look for your drivers under lib/modules/<kernel.version>/kernel |
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| 23:20.57 | karsten | Miraterre-J: Your fs driver should be int there. |
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| 23:21.13 | karsten | Miraterre-J: The driver script is 'init' in top-level directory. |
| 23:22.11 | karsten | Miraterre-J: Mostly it loops through drivers and loads them. |
| 23:22.12 | Miraterre-J | 20069 blocks - can I calculate mb from that? |
| 23:22.26 | simonrvn | block is usually 512B |
| 23:22.28 | karsten | Miraterre-J: 512k or 1024k = 1 block. |
| 23:22.38 | Miraterre-J | because i was getting another error too - until I increased the size from 8Mb to 16mb |
| 23:22.53 | karsten | erm . b, not k. |
| 23:23.07 | nvz | it really depends on the block size :P |
| 23:23.08 | kanzen | hi all. Running etch on amd64, and I'm running into a what appears to be a 2GB limit with null(4) when doing something like: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo ibs=xG count=y |
| 23:23.19 | kanzen | is this expected behavior on a 64bit built? |
| 23:23.21 | karsten | Miraterre-J: 1-2 MB. |
| 23:23.45 | karsten | kanzen: local operation or networked? Some apps aren't 64-bit clean yet. |
| 23:23.51 | kanzen | local |
| 23:23.58 | infernix | what fs? |
| 23:24.03 | kanzen | xfs |
| 23:24.12 | Miraterre-J | ok, in ../kernel I have fs or drivers? |
| 23:24.29 | Miraterre-J | what am i looking for? |
| 23:24.48 | karsten | bbl |
| 23:24.55 | simonrvn | you need the driver for your rootfs |
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| 23:25.22 | cat | hey how do i disable framebuffer? |
| 23:25.38 | Miraterre-J | the size of my /tmp/initrd folder is 10mb, is that what the initrd size needs to be? |
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| 23:26.00 | kanzen | cat: pass nofb console=ttySx |
| 23:26.02 | simonrvn | don't load any *fb drivers, if modular |
| 23:26.13 | simonrvn | oh yeh, forgot about that |
| 23:26.18 | Miraterre-J | what would the driver for my rootfs be? standard ide notebook |
| 23:26.38 | tuv | vesafb is compiled-in in debian kernels |
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| 23:26.39 | simonrvn | what does mount say? your computer model has nothing to do with it |
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| 23:26.42 | cat | kanzen: huh? |
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| 23:26.47 | kanzen | mira: type mount |
| 23:27.02 | simonrvn | cat: as kernel args (in append="") |
| 23:27.03 | Miraterre-J | just mount? |
| 23:27.06 | nvz | Miraterre-J: your filesystem is a matter of choice or preference and has nothing what so ever to do with your hardware |
| 23:27.06 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:27.10 | infernix | kanzen: doesnt make sense to me. ibs=1G count=4 gives the same error as ibs=4G count=1? |
| 23:27.13 | cat | simonrvn: oh |
| 23:27.17 | cat | im totally lost |
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| 23:27.29 | kanzen | cat: pass these two options to the kernel on boot: "nofb console=ttyS0" |
| 23:27.29 | cat | something easier? |
| 23:27.33 | Miraterre-J | ext3? |
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| 23:27.43 | cat | kanzen: where do i edit the kernel so i can do that? |
| 23:27.57 | simonrvn | Miraterre-J: so stick the ext3 driver in the right place in that thing |
| 23:28.10 | kanzen | infernix: no. if I do ibs=2G (or below) I can output to whatever filesize I want |
| 23:28.12 | Miraterre-J | lol, easy for you to say |
| 23:28.18 | simonrvn | it'll be under kernel/driver/fs IIRC |
| 23:28.31 | simonrvn | in your kernel driver tree in /lib |
| 23:28.32 | kanzen | however, if I do anything >2GB for ibs it stops writing after 2GB |
| 23:28.51 | Miraterre-J | ok, /kernel/fs/ext3 |
| 23:28.52 | simonrvn | Miraterre-J: make sure you use the right one |
| 23:28.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:28.55 | infernix | kanzen: so it's a 2GB read limit somewhere. just a wild guess but is your total memory close to 2GB? |
| 23:29.00 | Miraterre-J | ext3.ko |
| 23:29.05 | kanzen | infernix: 16GB |
| 23:29.08 | Miraterre-J | what should I do with it? |
| 23:29.30 | simonrvn | yes, but the right version too. the /lib/modules/foo-XXX the numnbers where XXX is matter |
| 23:29.32 | infernix | kanzen: more wild guessing, is your kernel recent and compiled with all the largefile flags? |
| 23:29.49 | Miraterre-J | should be |
| 23:29.55 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:29.59 | Miraterre-J | there's only one kernel in there |
| 23:30.03 | Miraterre-J | 2.6.16 |
| 23:30.22 | Miraterre-J | in the initrd.img |
| 23:30.36 | simonrvn | i don't have your initrd in front of me, so you'll -- ok -- to show me (use a pastebin please) or use your good judgement on it |
| 23:30.46 | kanzen | standard smp kernel, I didn't recompile |
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| 23:31.13 | kanzen | pretty sure largefile support is standard with smp kernels... but I'll double check |
| 23:31.22 | doublehp | karsten: so ... no idea ? |
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| 23:31.35 | simonrvn | he's away right now |
| 23:31.38 | Miraterre-J | largefile is for what? files above 8mb? |
| 23:31.49 | simonrvn | no :) |
| 23:31.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:31.56 | kanzen | 2 or 4, mira |
| 23:32.00 | Guerin | welcome to the 1980s, again |
| 23:32.15 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehehe |
| 23:32.21 | Miraterre-J | Gb? |
| 23:32.46 | txgrease | yeah 2G |
| 23:32.55 | enouf | 1980's ... noooo - not patty smyth |
| 23:32.58 | doublehp | GB or Gb ? |
| 23:33.01 | simonrvn | GB |
| 23:33.04 | doublehp | or GB ? |
| 23:33.12 | Miraterre-J | so maybe I deselected largefile support in menuconfig? |
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| 23:33.35 | simonrvn | it's for bigger files than that innit |
| 23:33.37 | infernix | kanzen: although i must admit i dont think its a largefile issue, and i'm not clever enough to know how dd's ibs flag works memory wise. |
| 23:33.53 | infernix | liargefile=@2TB |
| 23:33.56 | Miraterre-J | it worked before I did the kernel recompile |
| 23:33.57 | infernix | *+2TB |
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| 23:34.23 | simonrvn | yeh, i thought so |
| 23:34.25 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 23:35.29 | Miraterre-J | so does the presence of ext3.ko in my initrd.img mean that it is being loaded? so the problem is something else? |
| 23:35.30 | kanzen | going to try something to see if it's dd(1) or null(4) |
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| 23:36.04 | Guerin | hm, how to tell how much ink is left in my printr cartridge? |
| 23:36.29 | infernix | print a test page. if its blank, its gone. |
| 23:36.32 | azeem | 1. get the specs |
| 23:36.36 | azeem | 2. write a driver |
| 23:36.40 | azeem | 3. profit! |
| 23:37.24 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:37.25 | Guerin | where profit < 0 |
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| 23:37.52 | jelly-home | Guerin: brand, model? for HPs try installing hplip then run hp-toolbox |
| 23:37.58 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 23:38.03 | Guerin | yeah, it is a HP |
| 23:38.10 | simonrvn | Miraterre-J: yup |
| 23:38.11 | Miraterre-J | ok, maybe found the problem |
| 23:38.29 | enouf | Guerin: you do realize that most major inkjet cartridges have a chip onboard |
| 23:38.48 | Miraterre-J | I tried the zcat command on the working initrd.img and it says "not in gzip format" |
| 23:38.49 | simonrvn | what a waste |
| 23:38.52 | Guerin | enouf: no, i am content to know as little about printers as possible. |
| 23:39.09 | Miraterre-J | so maybe I need to get my new rdisk in gzip format? |
| 23:39.09 | simonrvn | Miraterre-J: it's probably not gzipped... and a cramfs one |
| 23:39.20 | rockstar_ | Guerin, he has a point. I've seen the wierdest printer problems go away by replacing the ink cartridges. |
| 23:39.24 | enouf | Guerin: trust me - have I got a system for you ... hang on |
| 23:39.30 | simonrvn | it already was. all that means is that it was compressed with gzip |
| 23:39.34 | Guerin | Need to get 21.8MB of archives. After unpacking 59.9MB will be used. # wtf? |
| 23:39.49 | Guerin | rockstar_: wtf? |
| 23:39.55 | Miraterre-J | but the one that works is in a different format than the bad one |
| 23:39.55 | jelly-home | Guerin: that's Linux printer drivers for you. ;-) |
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| 23:40.04 | Guerin | My printer is working fine, but the ink light just came on |
| 23:40.07 | Miraterre-J | so maybe i just need to get that new one in the other format? |
| 23:40.17 | simonrvn | doesn't mean anything. |
| 23:40.21 | Guerin | i want to know if i'm going to have enough ink to print my paper, or whether I'll have to go out. |
| 23:40.29 | simonrvn | just means that one's in a different format |
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| 23:40.38 | infernix | Guerin: considered just having spares?:) |
| 23:40.38 | Guerin | jelly-home: no, it's not. I already have the driver working. |
| 23:40.46 | Miraterre-J | what would make it change formats? |
| 23:40.54 | Miraterre-J | the way I compiled the kernel? |
| 23:40.54 | simonrvn | change of tools |
| 23:40.56 | gothtec | How can I find out which user/group a certain process is running as? |
| 23:40.56 | Guerin | infernix: this is not a trategic questions, it's a tactical one. |
| 23:41.02 | infernix | hehe |
| 23:41.11 | asg | gothtec: ps(1) |
| 23:41.13 | simonrvn | gothtec: man ps; ps auxw is handy |
| 23:41.34 | Miraterre-J | so how can I decompress the other one? what to use instead of zcat? |
| 23:42.14 | jelly-home | Guerin: eh, there's usually more than one available driver for HP's inkjet models. |
| 23:42.17 | simonrvn | using that mount command karsten showed you earlier, but substituting the right characters instead of $(uname -r) |
| 23:42.24 | Miraterre-J | ok |
| 23:43.00 | simonrvn | NNNNNEEEEEED COOOOOFFFFFEEEEEE</zombie> |
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| 23:44.29 | simonrvn | mmm, with real maple syrup in it.... :) |
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| 23:44.52 | Miraterre-J | ok, so the old one is 11MB but somehow worked with an 8MB ramdisk? |
| 23:45.14 | Guerin | ok, that was 60 wasted megabytes |
| 23:45.17 | simonrvn | oh crap. you might have to make your ramdisk size bigger |
| 23:45.24 | simonrvn | 16384 |
| 23:45.29 | Miraterre-J | the new one is 10MB and gave a nasty error (-24 != 8192) or something |
| 23:45.35 | Guerin | hp-toolbox doesn't believe i have a hp printer installed |
| 23:45.40 | simonrvn | yeh, it's too big |
| 23:45.41 | Guerin | and tells me to set one up in cups |
| 23:45.50 | Guerin | ... but it's already set up there. |
| 23:46.02 | Guerin | oh well, I suppose I'll risk it |
| 23:46.03 | simonrvn | braindead utils.... |
| 23:46.04 | dvs | Guerin: Maybe you pirated the printer! ;-) |
| 23:46.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:46.21 | Guerin | dvs: omg! that bastard who sold it to me! |
| 23:46.26 | Miraterre-J | I made it 16MB to get past that error only to get the VFS error |
| 23:46.45 | simonrvn | you rebuilt it right, after? |
| 23:46.52 | Miraterre-J | just curious how the working 11MB file fits on a 8MB ramdisk |
| 23:47.03 | simonrvn | compression |
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| 23:47.18 | Miraterre-J | oh, thought it was totally decompressed |
| 23:47.51 | simonrvn | it gets decompressed in ram, then the script(s) loads stuff, then starts init |
| 23:48.07 | Miraterre-J | ok |
| 23:48.20 | simonrvn | *sigh* 9 hours... |
| 23:48.30 | Miraterre-J | so what else can I check - still getting kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,2) |
| 23:48.45 | Miraterre-J | right ater the rdisk starts |
| 23:48.46 | jelly-home | Guerin: you should be fine if you don't mistakenly delete the old setup. I have two queues for the same printer, one b/w one for color, so i don't have to edit the configuration in cups. |
| 23:48.52 | simonrvn | it's somehow not loading the ext3 mod |
| 23:49.12 | Miraterre-J | maybe something I changed in menuconfig? |
| 23:49.15 | simonrvn | there should be a linuxrc in there. see if it has anything relevant |
| 23:49.25 | simonrvn | "in there" == the initrd |
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| 23:50.22 | simonrvn | infernix: and yes, guesstimate is better than nothing. got me in a philosophical mood *shrug* |
| 23:50.22 | Miraterre-J | no linuxrc in my rdisk image |
| 23:50.33 | simonrvn | ok |
| 23:50.54 | Miraterre-J | there is one in the good image |
| 23:50.58 | Miraterre-J | but not the bad |
| 23:51.02 | simonrvn | oh, is it using those funky scripts in *.d dirs ? |
| 23:51.06 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 23:51.11 | simonrvn | infernix: *hug* |
| 23:51.25 | infernix | and all was well with the world |
| 23:51.29 | infernix | time to sleep. gnite:) |
| 23:52.35 | simonrvn | g'night |
| 23:52.36 | Miraterre-J | the working image has linuxrc, linuxrc.conf, loadmodules, and script - the bad one has only init, and far fewer directories |
| 23:52.50 | Miraterre-J | so something is going wrong in the rdisk creation? |
| 23:53.17 | simonrvn | maybe. i don't know enough about it. sec |
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| 23:54.26 | mortal5 | if i wanted to see all the dependencies of a package, how would i do that? |
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| 23:54.29 | Miraterre-J | is there a makefile or something that guides the initrd creation? maybe i can copy over my old makefile? |
| 23:54.57 | simonrvn | wait wait |
| 23:55.06 | ugly | is there any OSS software that will give readability statistics for a document, such as the Flesch Reading Easy score? |
| 23:55.19 | ugly | (much like Word) |
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| 23:55.39 | ugly | I've heard abiword can do it, but the option is no where to be found, as far as I can see |
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| 23:56.13 | simonrvn | Miraterre-J: ok, do you have an etc/ in there, with a modules file? |
| 23:56.36 | enouf | Guerin: as promised ... http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=152353 you may have to join to see the graphics .. it's a must though - I have them stored locally, and I could upload them to photobucket if I really had to |
| 23:56.47 | nvz | ugly: whats OSS software? |
| 23:56.52 | systemerror | i have a debian sarge with gcc 3.3.5, how can i update to gcc 4.1.1? |
| 23:56.56 | Miraterre-J | etc/modprobe.d? |
| 23:57.17 | nvz | besides Open Sound System software |
| 23:57.21 | simonrvn | Miraterre-J: what i'd suggest doing is rebuild your kernel, and make sure ext3 is in ... (sec) |
| 23:57.27 | simonrvn | no, what i said |
| 23:57.46 | Miraterre-J | I don't have a modules file in either good or bad image |
| 23:57.53 | Miraterre-J | only the modprobe folder |
| 23:57.58 | ugly | nvz: open source |
| 23:57.58 | simonrvn | /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
| 23:58.07 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 23:58.08 | Miraterre-J | oh, on the hdd? |
| 23:58.09 | ugly | nvz: open source software :P |
| 23:58.19 | nvz | ugly: open source software software? |
| 23:58.22 | simonrvn | the initrd you decompressed, *and* the fs |
| 23:58.32 | ugly | nvz: I have a rare disease where everything I say is redundantly repetitive |
| 23:58.38 | systemerror | i have a debian sarge with gcc 3.3.5, how can i update to gcc 4.1.1? |
| 23:58.41 | ugly | </geeky joke> |
| 23:58.58 | Miraterre-J | ok, /etc/modules has ide-cd ide-detect and ide-disk |
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| 23:59.12 | ugly | nvz: I bet you say DNS server though :P |
| 23:59.15 | ugly | hypocrite! |
| 23:59.16 | simonrvn | stick ext3 there |
| 23:59.16 | Miraterre-J | but don't see anything like that in the rdisk |
| 23:59.19 | systemerror | oO |
| 23:59.22 | systemerror | i have a debian sarge with gcc 3.3.5, how can i update to gcc 4.1.1? |
| 23:59.35 | Miraterre-J | and then recompile? |
| 23:59.43 | nvz | !yinzersmite ugly |
| 23:59.45 | simonrvn | it's not relevant, but some other stuff might be looking for it, and might actually help |
