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| 00:00.14 | NoPlan | jlaw: I tried with and without CONFIG_FONTS. |
| 00:00.26 | NoPlan | jlaw: Both with the exact same result. |
| 00:00.38 | dvs | NoPlan: you have both the vesa and nvidia framebuffer devices selected too |
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| 00:01.31 | NoPlan | dvs: Yes. I first tried just with the nvidia fb device, but I thought maybe VESA works? |
| 00:01.38 | jlaw | NoPlan, dvs: i've just seen it. never select the nvidia fram buffer support it just causes problems |
| 00:01.51 | dvs | NoPlan: but not both at the same time |
| 00:02.11 | NoPlan | jlaw: I'll disable the NVIDIA one AND compile more fonts :) |
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| 00:02.20 | NoPlan | brb |
| 00:02.37 | tuv | i'm pretty confused in matters of framebuffers. i installed splashy and used vga=0x317. now splashy works although the display flashes when it tries to fade. no fb modules loaded at all. nvidia display adapter |
| 00:02.54 | izzyb | could someone help me find a document that explains how to install squashfs on a debian sarge machine? |
| 00:02.56 | tuv | how does it work with no framebuffers? |
| 00:03.06 | jlaw | NoPlan, just select the vesa. i've selected 8x8 and 8x16, nothing else. and keep CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y !-) |
| 00:03.06 | izzyb | I found the kernel patch in apt-get |
| 00:03.11 | izzyb | but don't know what to do with it |
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| 00:03.29 | lmosher | sometimes the ubuntu folks are not very informative. Can someone help me resolve this? |
| 00:03.32 | lmosher | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:03.32 | lmosher | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.40 | Presently42 | Guess not. Cheers. |
| 00:03.40 | NoPlan | jlaw: Sir, yes Sir :) |
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| 00:04.19 | jlaw | NoPlan, decorous !-) |
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| 00:05.20 | tuv | lmosher, looks like an old gnome-terminal package. BTW, it's a dangerous business asking about ubuntu in #debian. you've been warned |
| 00:05.42 | jlaw | lmosher, i once encountered similar problems when installing kde in etch, try to install the unmet dependencies by hand (ie "apt-get install gnome-terminal-data") ... it worked fine for me |
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| 00:06.12 | NoPlan | Well, I'll reboot ... brb |
| 00:06.14 | lmosher | Basically what I'm looking for is an equivalent to yum's --nodeps option :) |
| 00:06.24 | lmosher | I want to just force install gnome-terminal |
| 00:06.38 | jlaw | lmosher, this option is not really a good solution |
| 00:06.41 | tuv | lmosher, man apt-get and look for --forece-* options |
| 00:07.12 | epsilon | anyone with experience in SYSCP or VHCS? Any recommendation which one I should take on a sarge box? |
| 00:07.12 | lmosher | tuv, I did :/ --force-yet is just the same thing as yum -y |
| 00:07.20 | lmosher | it just answers 'yes' to questions. |
| 00:07.22 | jlaw | lmosher ... you may also try --fix-missing |
| 00:07.38 | tuv | lmosher, hmm.. i guess --forece-* is a dpkg option and not apt-get |
| 00:07.51 | lmosher | tuv, yeah, I suppose I coudl always download the .deb manually :P |
| 00:08.02 | lmosher | ahh I can use --ignore-missing |
| 00:08.04 | lmosher | there we go |
| 00:08.10 | lmosher | I'll try --fix first |
| 00:08.42 | tuv | i'm pretty confused in matters of framebuffers. i installed splashy and used vga=0x317. now splashy works although the display flashes when it tries to fade. no fb modules loaded at all. nvidia display adapter. how does it work with no framebuffer modules loaded? |
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| 00:09.07 | jlaw | lmosher, believe me, ignoring dependencies is not a good idea, try to install the mentioned packages first and then try again to install the base-package |
| 00:09.30 | evilgeek | ignoring dependencies is *usually* not a good idea. there are times when it's necessary. |
| 00:09.42 | lmosher | jlaw, the (Weird) issue is that gnome-terminal-data is installed but is actually a version ABOVE what gnome-terminal itself says it needs. stupid 64-bit repos |
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| 00:10.09 | jlaw | lmosher, that -indeed- is weird^^ |
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| 00:10.41 | NoPlan | jlaw: Of course that kernel setting did not change anything, because the grub menu comes *before* the kernel loads ... |
| 00:10.49 | tuv | lmosher, if gnome-terminal-data was upgraded very recently you may want to wait for a while until the corresponding gnome-terminal is available |
| 00:10.58 | lmosher | jlaw, it's happened before, i think the repo is just broken |
| 00:11.14 | lmosher | tuv, yeah I'm sure that's true, but I really hate the terminal bell in xterm :P |
| 00:11.14 | NoPlan | jlaw: So, when the kernel loads and sets up the console font, *then* it starts working. |
| 00:11.32 | tuv | lmosher, unload the pcspkr module |
| 00:11.41 | lmosher | tuv, hehe ty :) |
| 00:11.46 | jlaw | NoPlan ... where exactly did you apply the vga= option? |
| 00:12.17 | NoPlan | jlaw: In the grub menu.lst |
| 00:12.28 | dvs | NoPlan: where in the menu.lst? |
| 00:12.32 | NoPlan | before the kernel menu stanzas. |
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| 00:12.41 | jlaw | NoPlan, k ... you#re description bewildered me ... sooo, what exactly is your problem? |
| 00:12.50 | dvs | NoPlan: which line exactly? |
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| 00:13.29 | jlaw | *your, nor you#re |
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| 00:13.43 | dvs | jlaw: looks like you#re to me! |
| 00:13.53 | ArmEagle | hmm the official debian channel is not here on freenode anymore? |
| 00:13.53 | dvs | (the octothorpe) |
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| 00:13.59 | NoPlan | jlaw: Well, I boot up with vga=795 (1280x1024@24bit) and all I get is garbled crap. I then press "enter" to boot into the first menu item and when the kernel reaches "Setting up console font ..." it gets readable. |
| 00:14.06 | dvs | ArmEagle: nope |
| 00:14.11 | dvs | ArmEagle: irc.debian.org |
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| 00:14.31 | ArmEagle | hmm just read somewhere that debian moved to irc.oftc.net |
| 00:14.44 | ArmEagle | or.. not really so.. |
| 00:14.49 | dvs | ArmEagle: irc.debian.org will take you to irc.oftc.net |
| 00:14.54 | ArmEagle | ah :) |
| 00:14.56 | jlaw | NoPlan ... i think you mixed up some entries ... the vgq= option should not change anything to grub itself |
| 00:15.07 | ArmEagle | anyway. i'm happy here.. |
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| 00:16.21 | m1ke_l | can anyone tell me why debian wont install a this mobo? |
| 00:16.23 | m1ke_l | http://www.edmunds-enterprises.com/linux/modules/products/product_detail.php/mode/Books/ASIN/B0007MSNSW |
| 00:16.40 | NoPlan | jlaw: I thought so ... since it sits before even the first bit of kernel is booted, it can only use some BIOS supported video mode but the vga=... should be passed on to the kernel, right? |
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| 00:17.15 | jlaw | NoPlan .. if you really want to start grup with the higher res than vga standard you should try the grub embedded testing option when booting ... just can't remember how to start it |
| 00:17.43 | tuv | is vesafb compiled into debian kenrels or is it a module? |
| 00:17.49 | jlaw | NoPlan, right the vga= option should be in the kernel line |
| 00:18.00 | NoPlan | jlaw: I don't want to start up grub in a higher res, I just want my boot messages to be readable and in vga=795 (aka 1280x1024) mode with a cute penguin on the top left :) |
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| 00:18.13 | Mitar | any suggestion for big file editor for console? |
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| 00:18.46 | NoPlan | Mitar: How big is big? |
| 00:18.49 | tuv | Mitar, what's wrong with nano or emacs? |
| 00:18.50 | jlaw | NoPlan, for example "kernel/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-486 root=/dev/hdd3 ro vga=791" |
| 00:18.51 | dvs | tuv: grep CONFIG_FB_VESA /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:18.52 | Mitar | 1 GB |
| 00:19.03 | tuv | dvs, just found out it's y :) |
| 00:19.09 | Mitar | i do not use none of them |
| 00:19.13 | Mitar | i am trying vim ... |
| 00:19.19 | Mitar | but it is taken long .. |
| 00:19.28 | NoPlan | jlaw: the vga= ... option can be placed in the top to be "global", I believe. |
| 00:19.37 | Mitar | ahh ... it trayed to color the whole file :-) |
| 00:19.48 | NoPlan | jlaw: But I will try and set it on the kernel line ... |
| 00:20.01 | jlaw | NoPlan .. well you see how i do it and how it works fine for me !-) |
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| 00:20.17 | NoPlan | brb |
| 00:20.55 | userdefined | hola. i'd like to configure postfix such that it deposits all outbound mail to a file, and considers it 'sent' at that point |
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| 00:21.03 | userdefined | my theory is that setting default_transport appropriately would do it, but i can't seem to find what i should set it to to get the desired behavior... |
| 00:21.13 | userdefined | (i asked on #postfix but they're sleeping i guess, and since i'm running debian, not totally off topic here i hope?) |
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| 00:22.53 | NoPlan | ok, booted my second pc, so I won't have to log in and out all the time :) |
| 00:23.06 | jlaw | NoPlan ... your machine seems to be pretty fast |
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| 00:23.17 | jlaw | NoPlan, lol, ahh ok |
| 00:23.36 | dvs | jlaw: it's a Cray! |
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| 00:24.01 | NoPlan | jlaw: ok, I got rid of the stupid splash screen and set the vga= in the kernel line. Works fine now :) |
| 00:24.15 | NoPlan | I think it was the splash screen that upset the menu |
| 00:24.25 | jlaw | dvs, rofl ... i think a cray would take some hours in case you even get a current debian running on it !-) |
| 00:25.02 | jlaw | NoPlan, i told you you mixed up the lines !-) |
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| 00:25.21 | nutshell42 | userdefined, |
| 00:25.21 | nutshell42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.29 | NoPlan | jlaw, Oh great, now I get a "kernel panic -- not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) ... grrr |
| 00:26.17 | dvs | NoPlan: Either the IDE controller or the file system is not compiled into the kernl |
| 00:26.32 | jlaw | NoPlan ... that means there is a problem with the boot device ... forget something in the kernelconfig when compiling or altered the kernel line in the menu.list? |
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| 00:27.29 | NoPlan | dvs: Hmm ... it was a bit complicated when I did the last kernel (stupid NVidia SATA driver) |
| 00:27.32 | userdefined | nutshell42: not sure for outbound mail, i'll look at that. thanks |
| 00:28.12 | jlaw | NoPlan, there you got the point, i love my asus nforce4 |
| 00:28.31 | nutshell42 | hi, is samba in unstable currently fscked? I suddenly get an "ERRnosuchshare (You specified an invalid share name)" when I try to mount a share; konqueror smb:/ and windows explorer both show the share but give an error (doesn't exist, invalid, something like that) when I try to access it |
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| 00:28.59 | dvs | jlaw: hours? don't you mean seconds? |
| 00:29.24 | NoPlan | jlaw: Well, I have the a8n sli without the 32 ... and it also suffers from the NVidia nforce4 |
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| 00:29.44 | jlaw | NoPlan, yeah it's chipsets are nice shit^^ |
| 00:30.21 | jlaw | grrr ... its, not it's |
| 00:30.28 | jlaw | i have to sleep |
| 00:30.36 | NoPlan | jlaw: I just wish NVidia would finally just open source their drivers. |
| 00:30.38 | dvs | jlaw: get them before they become ATI chipsets |
| 00:30.43 | jlaw | !sleep |
| 00:30.46 | dpkg | methinks sleep is For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 00:31.05 | NoPlan | dvs: ATI is no more :) |
| 00:31.27 | jlaw | i think i just got wimpy, gdn8 ... especially to NoPlan and dvs !-) |
| 00:31.37 | dvs | NoPlan: And you think Nvidia is going to continue to make chipsets for AMD? |
| 00:31.40 | NoPlan | jlaw, night. |
| 00:32.05 | NoPlan | dvs: I think so, yes. |
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| 00:32.10 | dvs | heh |
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| 00:33.35 | NoPlan | dvs: and I hope ATI drivers will be open sourced once AMD gets their butts in gear after the takeover. |
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| 00:36.34 | Mitar | so, any suggestions? |
| 00:36.46 | Mitar | does vim handle big files? |
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| 00:37.19 | karsten | Mitar: In general, yes. How big, specifically? |
| 00:37.20 | tuv | Mitar, i usually use nano or emacs. i find them more user friendly than vim |
| 00:37.33 | tuv | Mitar, have no experience with BIG files though |
| 00:37.55 | waiting | tuv: so your statement was a little unrelated to the question, don't you think? |
| 00:38.12 | jvm | hi; i use debian etch and want to configure a not natively supported wlan-device; i installed ndiswrapper, it works if if rmmod prism54, but if not, prism54 conflicts with ndiswrapper when i insert the card; how can i configure that prism54 should NEVER be loaded? |
| 00:38.17 | karsten | Mitar: vim works with a buffer, in general it's only got a part of a file actually loaded up at a time, IIRC. |
| 00:38.50 | tuv | waiting, that's because the question leaves too much room for unrelated statements. if i consider 1kB+ files big i'm in |
| 00:39.07 | waiting | tuv: in what? :) |
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| 00:39.25 | karsten | Mitar: If you're trying to make edits to select bits of a file, I'd suggest a stream editor (eg: sed, awk, perl), and chunk the changes back in |
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| 00:39.38 | karsten | Mitar: s,and,and/or, |
| 00:39.44 | tuv | waiting, in the set of related statements to the question ;) |
| 00:39.50 | waiting | tuv: ;) okok |
| 00:39.58 | karsten | Mitar: So the question becomes, as usual: what are you trying to do, how big is the file, what sort of edits? |
| 00:40.03 | tuv | waiting, i can go on you know |
| 00:41.30 | Mitar | 1 GB big file |
| 00:41.43 | karsten | Mitar: Yeah, I saw that. What sort of file? |
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| 00:42.00 | Mitar | mbox file |
| 00:42.06 | karsten | Mitar: English text, delimited fields, etc.... |
| 00:42.08 | Mitar | i would liek to search and replace |
| 00:42.11 | karsten | Mitar: Ah, I see. |
| 00:42.16 | Mitar | regex |
| 00:42.21 | karsten | Mitar: Use sed. |
| 00:42.24 | tuv | Mitar, how about mutt then? |
| 00:42.37 | Mitar | the problem is, that it is a broken mbox file |
| 00:42.38 | NoPlan | mitar: sed is your friend then. |
| 00:42.43 | Mitar | so i have to repair it a little |
| 00:42.44 | karsten | Mitar: sed -e 's/original/replacement/g' < inbox > outbox > |
| 00:43.05 | karsten | Mitar: has the benefit of preserving the original. |
| 00:43.06 | karsten | Nuke that last '>' |
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| 00:43.31 | karsten | Mitar: You can write a more complex sed script and run that if you want as well. |
| 00:44.16 | karsten | Mitar: Nice thing is that you can try a fix, see if it takes, if it doesn't change the fix, re-run it, until you've got it right. Very difficult to do that interactively with an editor. |
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| 00:44.30 | karsten | Mitar: It's one of the key reasons a lot of us old farts are so keen on scripting solutions to stuff. |
| 00:44.52 | Mitar | i use perl a lot :-))) |
| 00:45.03 | Mitar | so i never used shell scripting ... |
| 00:45.08 | karsten | Mitar: Same difference. |
| 00:45.09 | tuv | scripting: learning curve vs. power |
| 00:45.28 | Mitar | but it is strange that i have not though about perl when searching for solution .. |
| 00:45.30 | karsten | tuv: Steep learning curve, high payoff function. |
| 00:45.47 | Mitar | probably because i was first looking around what exactly is a problem with the mbox |
| 00:45.51 | karsten | Mitar: It's a way of looking at problems. |
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| 00:46.05 | Mitar | and when found a problem wanted to make a fast search and replace to correct it |
| 00:46.31 | karsten | Mitar: Usually 'less' or head -1000 < file > foo to look at some sample problems, then try a fix, see if you've got it, etc. |
| 00:46.36 | karsten | Mitar: rinse, wash, repeat. |
| 00:47.00 | karsten | Mitar: Applied that one time to scrub some HTML files from a forum which had gotten badly trashed. |
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| 00:47.10 | tuv | karsten, are you setting in a laundry room? |
| 00:47.34 | karsten | Mitar: Managed to fix ~125000 files in a few hours using an iterated scripting approach. |
| 00:47.37 | Ronin | karsten: if so i have some that need cleaning as well |
| 00:47.43 | karsten | tuv: No, a den of iniquity. |
| 00:47.47 | dvs | karsten: only? ;-) |
| 00:47.49 | karsten | Ronin: Do tell. |
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| 00:48.40 | karsten | Ronin: My approach was to run tidy on a set of files, look for errors (just outputting errors, no actual fixed HTML), find the most commonn problems, figure ut a fix, run that, re-run tidy, look for th enext problem ... |
| 00:49.06 | karsten | Ronin: Since the damange was mostly programattically generated in the first place, getting the fixes in was for the most part also. |
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| 00:51.16 | newbcoder | how do I get chinese to work in firefox under devian? |
| 00:51.19 | newbcoder | *debian* |
| 00:51.26 | newbcoder | I've installed the mozilla-firefox-ch-cn, tw pacakges |
| 00:51.39 | newbcoder | I've installed xfonts-intl-chinese |
| 00:51.48 | newbcoder | yet when I visit chinese pages; I still get little squares with 4 chars in them |
| 00:51.57 | tuv | newbcoder, do you have some sort of truetype chinese fonts installed? |
| 00:51.57 | newbcoder | oh, and I've restarted X as well |
| 00:52.06 | dvs | newbcoder: That could be a locale problem |
| 00:52.19 | newbcoder | xfonts-intl-chinese doesn't count? |
| 00:52.25 | newbcoder | how do I resolve locale problems |
| 00:52.37 | dvs | newbcoder: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:52.50 | tuv | newbcoder, i don't think it's a locale problem. you should be able to see text of another language than your locale |
| 00:53.37 | tuv | newbcoder, in the browser at least. in the console it might be locale-related |
| 00:54.27 | tuv | newbcoder, do "apt-cache search chinese truetype font" and install what you find best |
| 00:54.28 | newbcoder | hmm |
| 00:54.32 | newbcoder | renegerating locales is slow |
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| 00:55.03 | newbcoder | err, it's a bunch of stuff for TeX |
| 00:55.11 | tuv | newbcoder, i'd recommend the ones starting with ttf-* |
| 00:55.26 | bws42 | so, I'm having problems getting my DSL connection to start on boot, anyone here use pppoe that could look at their configuration and tell me what's supposed to happen? |
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| 00:55.44 | struct | comrads! |
| 00:55.45 | tuv | newbcoder, some of them only. the ones starting with ttf- are not TeX-related |
| 00:56.01 | struct | any of you guys got dsl? |
| 00:56.14 | dvs | struct: yup, but I use a router |
| 00:56.14 | struct | how do you make the dsl connect on boot up? |
| 00:56.22 | tuv | bws42, add "auto <iface-name>" to your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 00:56.26 | struct | dvs: like linksys or some such? |
| 00:56.34 | dvs | struct: yup |
| 00:56.44 | tuv | struct, , add "auto <iface-name>" to your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 00:56.55 | struct | tuv: yes I was asking for bws42 actually |
| 00:56.56 | bws42 | tuv there's no definition for the iface in the file |
| 00:57.12 | struct | bws42: you can make one if you have to |
| 00:57.20 | struct | bws42: was that the way it was done before? |
| 00:57.26 | struct | bws42: or do you not remember? |
| 00:57.30 | tuv | bws42, that's probably your problem |
| 00:57.36 | bws42 | struct unfortunately I don't remember |
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| 00:57.54 | bws42 | I set it up 2 years ago and wouldn't have touched it if the harddrive hadn't died |
| 00:58.02 | tuv | bws42, did you use pppoeconf to set up your connection? |
| 00:58.08 | bws42 | tuv yes |
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| 00:58.28 | tuv | bws42, i think it does create an entry in interfaces.. ! |
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| 00:58.56 | tuv | bws42, did you use pppoeconf after the harddrive died? |
| 00:59.09 | bws42 | hmm, well looking at my interfaces file there's nothing in there except my eth0, eth1, and lo |
| 00:59.16 | bws42 | tuv yes I reinstalled debian from scratch |
| 00:59.47 | tuv | bws42, and how do you connect now? |
| 01:00.02 | bws42 | someone has to log on as root and do `pon dsl-provider` |
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| 01:00.22 | struct | bws42: which sucks |
| 01:00.26 | struct | bws42: as you know |
| 01:00.42 | bws42 | struct: especially since no one there knows shit about linux and I'm 300 miles away :) |
| 01:00.50 | struct | hehe |
| 01:03.19 | tuv | bws42, it's been a while since i last used pppoeconf myself. i'm using a router now (linksys). but you might find this page useful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE#head-658cfcefdedede9e2ef2f3cd3e1ad5d8609fa9e0 |
| 01:03.22 | bws42 | I can't believe there's not just some document somewhere that tells you to put X in your interfaces file and you'll be set :P |
| 01:03.43 | struct | bws42: you got it? |
| 01:04.00 | YeTr2 | does anyone know of any work in debian on iptables extensions and how to install them properly? |
| 01:04.06 | tuv | bws42, or better yet, man interfaces and look for the ppp method |
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| 01:04.11 | struct | bws42: maybe there are docs in /usr/share/doc/pppoeconf or something? |
| 01:04.16 | newbcoder | okay; firefox displays ehinse now |
| 01:04.19 | newbcoder | where can I learn chinese online? |
| 01:04.22 | struct | bws42: yeah or man interfaces and look for ppp |
| 01:04.29 | bws42 | tuv, never thought of looking at the interfaces man page, I'll take a look |
| 01:04.30 | tuv | bws42, yes.. i think that's it. the ppp method in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:04.54 | tuv | newbcoder, which fonts package did you use? |
| 01:05.00 | NoPlan | I need a little help with a custom vanilla 2.6.17.8 kernel |
| 01:05.08 | struct | NoPlan: what help? |
| 01:05.17 | NoPlan | my system hangs during bootup when entering runlevel 2 |
| 01:05.26 | struct | NoPlan: why? |
| 01:05.36 | bws42 | tuv yeah it looks like it, okay now to see what I can come up with :) |
| 01:05.37 | NoPlan | struct: That is a good question. |
| 01:05.45 | struct | NoPlan: you must find the answer |
| 01:05.53 | struct | NoPlan: errors? logs? |
| 01:05.56 | struct | NoPlan: dmesg? |
| 01:06.05 | NoPlan | struct: At first it did hang at the mysqld startup. So I disabled mysqld (removing from the rc.2 |
| 01:06.06 | struct | NoPlan: all those things might help answer the question of why |
| 01:06.27 | struct | NoPlan: where does it hang at? |
| 01:06.31 | NoPlan | struct: Now it hangs when starting the hardware abstraction layer (hald). |
| 01:06.32 | tuv | NoPlan, try disabling services started at runlevel 2 one by one to find out which is responsible |
| 01:06.39 | struct | NoPlan: oh |
| 01:06.47 | NoPlan | tuv: Well, I cannot disable them all, can I? |
| 01:07.07 | newbcoder | tuv, err, I just installed all the ttf one's |
| 01:07.08 | struct | NoPlan: use update-rc.d to remove things |
| 01:07.10 | tuv | NoPlan, i didn't say that. you would be in runlevel 1 if you do. i said one by one |
| 01:07.25 | struct | NoPlan: like update-rc.d -f mysql remove |
| 01:07.29 | struct | I think |
| 01:07.49 | struct | NoPlan: the fact that you are entering runlevel 2 is good |
| 01:07.56 | NoPlan | struct: I thought so :) |
| 01:08.03 | tuv | NoPlan, i had a similar problem once and by disabling the runlevel 2 services one by one i found out that dbus was conflicting with the network adapter driver |
| 01:08.05 | struct | NoPlan: it might not be a kernel problem but rather some daemon or something |
| 01:08.32 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.48 | NoPlan | struct: it should not be a daemon problem, since the exact same runlevel setup works fine with 2.6.16 ... |
| 01:09.13 | NoPlan | but I will comply and remove services ... :) |
| 01:09.16 | tuv | NoPlan, but the kernel modules might be different and one could conflict with some daemon |
| 01:09.29 | tuv | NoPlan, you don't have to remove them. just disable them |
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| 01:10.22 | NoPlan | tuv: could be, yes. And of course I "disable" them by reomving the script from the rc.2 directory, not from the "runlevel" dir, right? |
| 01:10.51 | tuv | NoPlan, right.. and as struct said, you could use update-rc.d's help |
| 01:11.11 | struct | NoPlan: did you use the 2.6.16 config with your 2.6.17 build? |
| 01:12.07 | NoPlan | struct: Nope, I did a new config. |
| 01:12.19 | struct | NoPlan: try using old config from 2.6.16.x |
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| 01:12.37 | struct | NoPlan: in your 2.6.17.x do 'make mrproper' |
| 01:12.51 | struct | NoPlan: then copy 2.6.16.x config to 2.6.17.x/.config |
| 01:12.57 | struct | NoPlan: then 'make oldconfig' |
| 01:12.58 | blackelf | damn |
| 01:13.03 | NoPlan | struct: I rather disable services one by one :) |
| 01:13.05 | blackelf | how do I print something via USB printer? |
| 01:13.09 | blackelf | like an PDF |
| 01:13.11 | NoPlan | struct: Which service starts the hald? |
| 01:13.23 | struct | NoPlan: dont know |
| 01:13.53 | struct | NoPlan: if you compiled your kernel with all support for your hardware I dont see why it would have a problem |
| 01:14.12 | blackelf | I have USB printer, and cups (but I am not shure is cups working actually, either cups or kde print manager is broken) how to print somthing |
| 01:14.28 | zimm2 | blackelf, what printer ? |
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| 01:14.37 | blackelf | what tool can I use to checkis CUPS server is working at all? |
| 01:14.41 | struct | blackelf: there is some evil bug for kde printing service and cups |
| 01:14.44 | NoPlan | struct: see? Neither could I. But I want to disable it anyhow. I'll disable all services it hangs. And then I'll see what it was. |
| 01:14.50 | blackelf | zimm2: not important - the KDE print manager cn not connect to local CUPS server |
| 01:14.50 | struct | blackelf: I dont think it is fixed yet |
| 01:14.58 | blackelf | struct: damn! |
| 01:15.00 | struct | blackelf: I have not been able to print for some time now |
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| 01:15.04 | struct | blackelf: yes sucks eggs |
| 01:15.08 | zimm2 | struct, works for me .. .. ?? .. |
| 01:15.17 | struct | zimm2: using which? |
| 01:15.23 | struct | zimm2: sarge, etch, sid? |
| 01:15.23 | blackelf | struct: can I install stable's cps or something? is it a bug in cups? how to work around? |
| 01:15.36 | struct | blackelf: dont know of a work around |
| 01:15.40 | zimm2 | struct, etch, usb printer (epson) cups, kde .. |
| 01:15.53 | struct | blackelf: I tried some things others said to try but it has not worked for me |
| 01:15.55 | blackelf | damn, how they could messed up suc h important thing in testing |
| 01:15.57 | struct | maybe there is some fix now? |
| 01:16.10 | blackelf | in testing... it is not like unstable or experimental |
| 01:16.11 | struct | blackelf: I think its broken in sid as well |
| 01:16.21 | struct | blackelf: but maybe its fixed now? |
| 01:16.22 | blackelf | daaamn |
| 01:16.26 | struct | blackelf: I have not tried in some time to print |
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| 01:16.39 | blackelf | I downloaded newest cups hour ago, still not working |
| 01:16.40 | struct | zimm2: it works for you? |
| 01:16.45 | tuv | blackelf, cups conf. file's format has changed a few weeks ago with an upgrade. you may want to revise your cups.conf |
| 01:16.46 | struct | blackelf: its not cups problem |
| 01:16.49 | blackelf | so.. now most Debian users can not print? wow, awesome |
| 01:16.54 | blackelf | struct: so who is to blame? |
| 01:16.57 | struct | blackelf: its some bug in how kdeprint talks with cups |
| 01:17.06 | zimm2 | struct, yup, i did an update, then printed to check about an hour ago when blackelf came on asking about it .. |
| 01:17.18 | blackelf | zimm2: it works? in testing or stable? |
| 01:17.23 | zimm2 | testing |
| 01:17.31 | blackelf | zimm2: can you use KDE print manager? |
| 01:17.36 | struct | hhmmm |
| 01:17.36 | zimm2 | yup |
| 01:17.53 | struct | zimm2: you did updates today and it works now for you when it did not work before? |
| 01:17.54 | blackelf | so...why it wrks for zimm2 box, but not for mine two boxes nor struct's box |
| 01:17.55 | NoPlan | I'll be darned. No start file in my init.d includes the phrase "hardware abstraction layer" or "hald". |
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| 01:18.04 | zimm2 | sorry as i said before i cant be much help beyond confirming that it "should" work, |
| 01:18.07 | tuv | blackelf, to make sure cups is working print a test page from cups web interface: http://localhost:631/ |
| 01:18.14 | NoPlan | so how can it hang at "starting hardware abstraction layer (hald)"?? |
| 01:18.29 | tuv | NoPlan, i think it's dbus |
| 01:18.33 | blackelf | tuv wooo nice page |
| 01:18.35 | struct | blackelf: maybe this helps? |
| 01:18.37 | struct | blackelf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=370403 |
| 01:18.47 | zimm2 | struct, no its worked all week, since i bought the printer.. i did an update to see if it had broken with recent updates to try and help blackelf .. |
| 01:19.00 | struct | zimm2: some people have all the luck? |
| 01:19.21 | blackelf | tuv: where exacly is trhe option to print test page |
| 01:19.30 | tuv | blackelf, in the printer's page |
| 01:19.31 | struct | zimm2: share some of the luck please |
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| 01:20.03 | struct | sweet |
| 01:20.06 | struct | hope the luck works |
| 01:20.34 | tuv | blackelf, hit "Printers" link |
| 01:21.03 | Rug | Is it possible to convert an old redHat v7 system over to woody? |
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| 01:21.23 | tuv | NoPlan, does hald still start if you disable dbus? |
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| 01:22.26 | horatio | Hello |
| 01:22.37 | dvs | Rug: ??? No way |
| 01:22.46 | tuv | !tell Rug about debtakeover |
| 01:22.46 | Rug | dvs: bummer.. |
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| 01:23.32 | karsten | Rug: chroot install. |
| 01:23.58 | karsten | Rug: You can preserver your user space (/home, etc.), but package selection, etc., is a seperate story. |
| 01:24.01 | Rug | no joke? |
| 01:24.16 | karsten | Rug: No joke. Install manual, appendix C4. |
| 01:24.21 | karsten | Rug: I'm the original author. |
| 01:24.30 | amphi | Rug: or give debtakeover a try ;) |
| 01:24.58 | Rug | i don't care about anything on the original system, I just want debian on there so I can use it again. |
| 01:24.59 | karsten | amphi: Woah, debtakeover's for real ;-) |
| 01:25.12 | struct | yeah |
| 01:25.17 | struct | debian ownz all |
| 01:25.22 | amphi | karsten: yeah - I've never come across anyone that tried it... |
| 01:25.23 | dvs | Rug: So why are you worried about converting it? |
| 01:25.32 | karsten | Rug: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 01:25.37 | struct | I ran debtakeover on my car the other day |
| 01:25.42 | struct | it runs much better now |
| 01:26.03 | karsten | struct: Just make sure that's DebTakeover and *not* DebtTakeover |
| 01:26.17 | Rug | This old computer that I have: floppy controller doesn't work. BIOS won't boot from CD, and won't take booting from NIC. |
| 01:26.25 | karsten | struct: And under absolutely *no* circumstances should you ever look in the trunk. |
| 01:26.32 | struct | hehe |
| 01:26.33 | horatio | Sorry to interupt your conversation. I need to learn Debian Linux ASAP. Any ideas on a decent course in Montreal? |
| 01:26.39 | karsten | Rug: Interesting. |
| 01:26.47 | struct | karsten: how am I to get out my diving gear? |
| 01:26.51 | karsten | horatio: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 01:26.53 | amphi | Rug: sbm might boot the cd |
| 01:27.06 | karsten | struct: Easy. |
| 01:27.08 | Rug | it was my old firewall, and I want to still use it. |
| 01:27.14 | karsten | struct: get somebody *else* to look in the trunk |
| 01:27.15 | Rug | amphi: sbm? |
| 01:27.30 | struct | karsten: :) ah I see |
| 01:27.33 | amphi | Rug: oh, wait, no floppy :( |
| 01:27.35 | karsten | struct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repo_Man |
| 01:27.43 | Rug | =) |
| 01:27.43 | karsten | Rug: USB? |
| 01:27.48 | Rug | no usb either |
| 01:28.03 | amphi | Rug: stick the hd in another machine and install ;) |
| 01:28.06 | karsten | Rug: Another alternative is to swap drives with another system, do the install there, then swap back. |
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| 01:28.19 | Rug | =) great minds think alike? |
| 01:28.22 | horatio | Thanks |
| 01:28.26 | amphi | heh |
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| 01:29.07 | Rug | yeah that is a good idea. |
| 01:29.09 | karsten | Rug: Yeah, but how does thta explain us? |
| 01:29.43 | Rug | I'll try the debtakeover first though |
| 01:30.11 | struct | karsten: I have seen it before for not in a long time |
| 01:30.26 | karsten | struct: Yeah, I think it's been a couple of decades here... |
| 01:30.53 | Rug | any of you guys/gals devs for Debian? |
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| 01:31.01 | dvs | device? |
| 01:31.07 | Rug | developers |
| 01:31.14 | Rug | code monkeys |
| 01:31.17 | dvs | :-D |
| 01:31.18 | Rug | hackers |
| 01:31.25 | karsten | dvs: Remember, in Linux, *everything* is a file. |
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| 01:31.54 | karsten | Rug: More likely to find devs in #debian-devel, possibly on oftc. |
| 01:32.03 | amphi | except for some things which aren't ;) |
| 01:32.10 | karsten | amphi: Name two. |
| 01:32.16 | amphi | network interfaces |
| 01:32.18 | karsten | amphi: Processes are files ;-) |
| 01:32.19 | Rug | ahh, not a big deal. |
| 01:32.26 | karsten | amphi: phhhbt! |
| 01:32.27 | Rug | cat /proc/cpu |
| 01:32.48 | karsten | amphi: sockets are a blight unto Unix. |
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| 01:33.26 | amphi | karsten: plan 9? |
| 01:33.28 | bws42 | tuv thanks for the suggestion, I'm pretty sure that's how it must have worked before |
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| 01:33.42 | karsten | amphi: y'know, I really don't know how it does networking. |
| 01:33.57 | amphi | karsten: network interfaces are files there |
| 01:34.06 | karsten | amphi: OK. |
| 01:34.22 | karsten | amphi: With a sufficiently bastardized bash, they are on Linux too. |
| 01:34.28 | amphi | heh |
| 01:34.34 | karsten | amphi: /dev/tcp/port/hostspec |
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| 01:34.38 | struct | Rug: you dont have to be a developer |
| 01:34.39 | karsten | I think. |
| 01:34.51 | struct | Rug: lots of people contribute to debian and are not developers |
| 01:35.04 | karsten | amphi: /dev/tcp/host/port or /dev/udp/host/port. |
| 01:35.12 | karsten | amphi: ... though Debian's hacked that out of bash. |
| 01:35.17 | karsten | amphi: man bash for details. |
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| 01:35.43 | amphi | zsh here... |
| 01:35.44 | Rug | struct: yes, debian is awesome. |
| 01:35.55 | Rug | so are all the people who help |
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| 01:36.37 | karsten | I'd still love to see a debtakeover which targeted Windows. |
| 01:36.54 | Xenguy | hah |
| 01:37.04 | amphi | heh |
| 01:37.09 | Rug | karsten: first line: fdisk /dev/hda ? |
| 01:37.19 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.23 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.23 | Xenguy | now yer half there |
| 01:37.28 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.31 | karsten | ;-) |
| 01:37.40 | struct | karsten: there is debtakeover for windows |
| 01:37.48 | karsten | Rug: Seriously, what it would take is getting a bootloader and a ramdisk image on the box. |
| 01:37.51 | karsten | struct: There is? |
| 01:37.56 | struct | karsten: yes |
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| 01:38.04 | struct | karsten: netinstall cd |
| 01:38.06 | struct | ;) |
| 01:38.09 | Xenguy | umm krazy |
| 01:38.10 | karsten | Rug: ... once your'e there, reboot, and wam, bam, thank'ye ma'am. |
| 01:38.21 | karsten | struct: ?? |
| 01:38.29 | Rug | karsten: thanks again |
| 01:38.34 | struct | karsten: debian install cd |
| 01:38.46 | karsten | struct: That's not _quite_ what I had in mind. More something like a distributable worm. |
| 01:39.04 | Xenguy | the debian virus |
| 01:39.09 | karsten | struct: It would be pretty damned funny if half the world woke up one morning and was running Debian. |
| 01:39.13 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 01:39.13 | struct | karsten: I know I was being funny |
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| 01:39.20 | Xenguy | heh |
| 01:39.21 | struct | karsten: yes |
| 01:39.38 | karsten | struct: ... and I think that's a scenario that's becoming likelier by the day. |
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| 01:39.53 | Xenguy | pure *nix kaos |
| 01:40.26 | jpinto | hmm.. hi, does anyone know how can i check the current FSB speed? |
| 01:40.35 | cooner750 | Wanting to install debian, have a big NTFS partition housing Windows XP, a 6GB FAT32 Partition with the HP Recovery Software on it, I booted with the Gparted LiveCD to attempt to resize the NTFS partition, but I just get an error? |
| 01:40.36 | Xenguy | dvs: I used to, but now I work where they are timid |
| 01:40.44 | karsten | jpinto: BIOS? Should report it, no? |
| 01:40.49 | dvs | Xenguy: or bullied? |
| 01:40.50 | Hoxzer_ | http://pastebin.ca/136972 I have crossover cable connected to the linuxbox and network cable goes from linuxbox to ADSL router should I be able to share this internet connection between linuxbox and PC which is connected to it? |
| 01:40.57 | karsten | cooner750: What sort of error? |
| 01:40.58 | Xenguy | dvs: yeh, both |
| 01:41.03 | jpinto | karsten: well... that kind of needs for me to reboot? |
| 01:41.17 | cooner750 | karsten: GParted just says "The operation could not be appled." |
| 01:41.22 | karsten | jpinto: Indeed. 'dmidecode' *might* give that to you. |
| 01:41.29 | jpinto | karsten: thanks |
| 01:41.34 | cooner750 | I've used it to resize NTFS before and it worked |
| 01:41.49 | karsten | cooner750: Clean shutdown of XP? If you don't umount NTFS properly nothing's going to touch it. |
| 01:42.26 | struct | hey braindmg wrote debtakeover |
| 01:42.31 | karsten | Hoxzer_: What're you trying to do? |
| 01:42.34 | struct | so it has to be good |
| 01:42.48 | karsten | struct: Who's braindmg? |
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| 01:42.57 | cooner750 | karsten: XP crashed on shutdown and I had to hold the power button. Should I attempt to reboot XP and shut it down properly? Does that matter? |
| 01:43.08 | karsten | cooner750: Yes, it matters. |
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| 01:43.27 | syntaxx | i misconfigured my lilo and now when i boot it says kernel panic is there a way i could bypass lilo and edit my lilo.conf? |
| 01:43.28 | struct | karsten: one of the debian developers |
| 01:43.28 | karsten | cooner750: FYI, Partition Magic would be giving you a similar error. |
| 01:43.47 | karsten | cooner750: NTFS *really* doesn't like being messed with if it's in an inconsistent state. |
| 01:43.58 | struct | karsten: /whois braindmg for more info |
| 01:43.58 | karsten | struct: Yeah. Boot with grub ;-) |
| 01:44.03 | karsten | syntaxx: ^^ |
| 01:44.05 | karsten | struct: NM. |
| 01:44.18 | cooner750 | I'll go reboot the machine into Windows XP and try to shut it down properly and see what happens, brb |
| 01:44.28 | karsten | syntaxx: Barring that, boot a rescue disk. I recommend GRUB over LILO largely as grub lets you recover form situations like this proprely. |
| 01:44.33 | jpinto | karsten: hmm.. dmidecode gives me "External Clock: 133 MHz", do you think this is correct? what do you have on yours? |
| 01:44.42 | karsten | jpinto: Sec. |
| 01:44.49 | syntaxx | karsten, where can i get a rescue disk? |
| 01:45.09 | amphi | syntaxx: sysreccd.org has a useful iso that fits on an 80mm disk |
| 01:45.19 | amphi | syntaxx: er, sysresccd.org |
| 01:45.39 | amphi | syntaxx: no X, just zsh and many useful implements |
| 01:45.55 | karsten | syntaxx: knoppix, lnx-bbc, DSL, etc. |
| 01:46.09 | karsten | syntaxx: Any bootable Linux distro. I'd recommend Knoppix or Damned Small Linux. |
| 01:46.31 | Xenguy | puppy |
| 01:46.31 | karsten | jpinto: I'm not finding FSB info... |
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| 01:46.42 | karsten | jpinto: dmidecode's verbose but not always usefull. |
| 01:46.45 | jpinto | karsten: grep -i clock |
| 01:47.22 | karsten | jpinto: External Clock 100 MHz on a ThinkPad T21 here. |
| 01:47.24 | syntaxx | amphi, ok |
| 01:47.28 | karsten | Sounds about right. |
| 01:47.43 | jpinto | hm.. karsten, read this one http://forums.theplanet.com/viewtopic.php?t=18612& |
| 01:47.47 | syntaxx | karsten, i have a ubuntu live cd and im using it right now this is only a bootable cd i have is it ok? |
| 01:48.00 | karsten | jpinto: I think that's it. |
| 01:48.06 | karsten | jpinto: http://www.google.com/search?q=thinkpad+t21+fsb&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 01:48.14 | karsten | syntaxx: That'll be fine. |
| 01:48.44 | jpinto | karsten: ok |
| 01:48.48 | jpinto | thanks :-) |
| 01:49.04 | syntaxx | karsten, ok so what do i need to do? im trying to mount my linux but it wont let me it says wrong fs type mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /win |
| 01:49.09 | karsten | jpinto: BIOS or manufacturer's spec is your surest bet. |
| 01:49.10 | jpinto | karsten: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=asus+w2+fsb&btnG=Search |
| 01:49.34 | jpinto | i should get something like 533 i thinkg |
| 01:49.41 | karsten | jpinto: Yep, that's my read. |
| 01:49.52 | jpinto | ok then, thanks karsten |
| 01:49.52 | karsten | syntaxx: does /win exist? |
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| 01:50.00 | syntaxx | karsten, yes |
| 01:50.15 | karsten | syntaxx: ... and what's your filesystem type? Try '-t ext2' which should work for both ext2 & 3. |
| 01:50.56 | syntaxx | karsten, i did tried that also but it says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2, missing codepage or other error |
| 01:51.31 | karsten | syntaxx: cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:51.41 | karsten | syntaxx: What partitions do you actually have there? |
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| 01:52.07 | syntaxx | karsten, i have 6 partitions |
| 01:52.19 | karsten | syntaxx: Do they have names or do you just say "hey you!"? |
| 01:52.37 | syntaxx | karsten, err sorry hda1 to hda6 |
| 01:52.38 | five0` | Lame! |
| 01:52.45 | karsten | !tell syntaxx about paster. |
| 01:52.47 | karsten | syntaxx: Thanks. |
| 01:53.04 | dvs | !nickometer five0` |
| 01:53.05 | dpkg | 'five0`' is 28.000% lame, dvs |
| 01:53.16 | karsten | syntaxx: Is anything else mounted at /win? Otherwise, try mounting one of the other partitions. |
| 01:53.19 | Dewi | !nickometer Dewi |
| 01:53.20 | dpkg | 'Dewi' is 0.000% lame, dewi |
| 01:53.32 | Dewi | hurrah! |
| 01:53.39 | jair | hello guys, I am using debian sarge 3.2 r2, kernel 2.6.8-3-686 and centrino wireless PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05). but I can not get the wireless work yet, I has been trying drivers and firmware version and also the ieee80211-1.0.3.tgz and nothing :( what I am doing wrong? it is any specific firmware and driver version I should use with that model of centrino? 2200BG? |
| 01:53.43 | syntaxx | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3484 |
| 01:53.48 | five0` | if you're after a book, get 'Debian System: Concepts and Techniques' by Kraft |
| 01:53.53 | five0` | it's a tremendously useful resource |
| 01:53.59 | karsten | five0`: Second that. |
| 01:54.29 | syntaxx | karsten, i can mount it with my ntfs partition |
| 01:54.49 | amphi | jair: I'm using an old version, 1.0.4 IIRC, and it works well - I'm running a home-made vanilla kernel though |
| 01:54.52 | karsten | syntaxx: ?? |
| 01:55.11 | karsten | syntaxx: hda2 is an extended partition I believe. 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' |
| 01:55.14 | amphi | jair: I didn't try building the driver against the debian kernel |
| 01:55.28 | karsten | syntaxx: ... or whatever it is is 1 block long. |
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| 01:55.43 | sitri | does anyone know where I can download Engage? I've looked at the project website (andy.elcock.org) but can't find anything about how to download |
| 01:55.58 | jair | amphi: what do you mean 1.0.4 IIRC? |
| 01:56.10 | amphi | jair: 'if I recall correctly' |
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| 01:56.28 | karsten | sitri: You might write Mr. Williams. |
| 01:56.34 | syntaxx | karsten, ok thanks i thought it was hda2 i try my boot cd boot: linux root=/dev/hda2 to hda4 but it wont let me |
| 01:56.36 | jair | amphi: I have the kernel 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 01:57.07 | amphi | jair: yes, you said - I didn't try to build the driver against that kernel |
| 01:57.10 | karsten | syntaxx: I'd suggest generating some mount points, mounting partitions, seeing what's in them, and running 'fdisk -l' to show you what the partitions actually are. |
| 01:57.30 | jair | ohhh ok |
| 01:57.40 | jair | I want to make it work with the kernel of debian |
| 01:57.55 | karsten | syntaxx: mkdir /mnt/hda{1,2,3,4,5,6}; for i in $( seq 6 ); do mount -t auto /dev/hda${i} /mnt/hda${i}; done |
| 01:58.02 | amphi | jair: what error do you get, and when? |
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| 02:00.32 | syntaxx | karsten, ok here's my lilo image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 label="linux" initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.15-26-386 read-only and my root=/dev/hda3 hmm how come im getting kernel panic |
| 02:00.51 | syntaxx | karsten, /dev/hda3 is my linux native |
| 02:00.54 | jair | amphi: I found a tutorial I will be following let me check ok |
| 02:00.58 | karsten | sitri: AFAICT there's no DL link there, within the files section, or at the E17 site. Ping Mr. Williams. |
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| 02:01.10 | zimm2 | laters all .. |
| 02:01.23 | karsten | syntaxx: What's the KP about? |
| 02:01.48 | amphi | jair: good luck - you have to be a bit careful matching fw and module versions, but if you have multiple fw versions it's no problem, the module will figure it out |
| 02:01.48 | jair | amphi: basically after I install all the tgz files make and everything the wireless adapter did not work, so I think I have to do some internal configuration. |
| 02:01.49 | syntaxx | karsten, it says cannot mount vfs i think |
| 02:01.50 | karsten | syntaxx: Note that you won't get a KP if you can't find your kernel. So maybe something's wrong with your initrd or root filesystem. |
| 02:02.04 | amphi | jair: you tried modprobing the module? |
| 02:02.04 | jair | amphi: ohh ok |
| 02:02.07 | karsten | syntaxx: Sounds like a possible initrd issue. Before or after mounting initrd? |
| 02:02.14 | jair | amphi: actually nope? |
| 02:02.18 | jair | amphi: how? |
| 02:02.38 | amphi | jair: modprobe ipw2200 - it should pull in the ieee stuff |
| 02:02.47 | syntaxx | karsten, i think before |
| 02:02.56 | karsten | syntaxx: Helps to know, not to think. |
| 02:03.02 | amphi | jair: tailing /var/log/syslog when you modprobe it can be helpful |
| 02:03.05 | karsten | syntaxx: You'll see messages about initrd starting up. |
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| 02:03.28 | syntaxx | karsten, ill be right back ill check it i forgot i just woke up :D |
| 02:03.31 | bws42 | does anyone know the status of net_snmpd? it's terribly borked over here |
| 02:03.38 | karsten | syntaxx: wait. |
| 02:03.46 | syntaxx | ok |
| 02:03.48 | karsten | syntaxx: See paster for one sec (let me paste first. |
| 02:04.13 | amphi | jair: dumping the log to a spare VT is always a good idea IMHO; append '*.* /dev/tty12' or whatever to /etc/syslog.conf and restart syslogd if you want that |
| 02:04.34 | amphi | jair: then you can just switch to VT12 whenever you want to see kernel blather |
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| 02:04.59 | m1ke_l | anyone have a link to a debian hcl? |
| 02:05.10 | karsten | syntaxx: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3485 |
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| 02:05.38 | karsten | syntaxx: Note that initrd image comes immediately after "Checking 'hlt' instruction" early in boot. |
| 02:06.20 | syntaxx | hmm.. ok ill check it |
| 02:06.22 | syntaxx | cant remember |
| 02:06.32 | syntaxx | brb |
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| 02:14.04 | syntaxx | karsten, its before |
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| 02:14.30 | syntaxx | karsten, it just having 5 lines and i get the kernel panic |
| 02:14.35 | mhall | dpkg marillat |
| 02:14.35 | dpkg | i guess marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 02:18.10 | Marupa | besides Audacity, are there any really simple .wav editors? I'm looking for something that can just volume cut. |
| 02:18.26 | mhall | What the fuck happened to marillat? I keep getting Failed to fetch http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-multimedia/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 02:18.58 | karsten | syntaxx: OK. |
| 02:19.05 | karsten | syntaxx: What are you seeing? |
| 02:19.40 | Emiml | Marupa: "really simple" is what gnome people do. Maybe thay have some sound editor ? |
| 02:19.50 | syntaxx | karsten, cannot mount change 'root=' boot option |
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| 02:20.05 | Marupa | uh...thanks, Emiml. |
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| 02:20.30 | karsten | syntaxx: Confirm that the partition is correct and properly specified. I'd also re-run lilo from the rescue disk to ensure that your changes are current. |
| 02:20.32 | bwlang | anybody know if it's possible to tell google to give directions "via" a certain location - ie directions from portland ,me to newport ri VIA route 128 , or via worchester (to force it to take a ring road for example) |
| 02:21.02 | karsten | bwlang: Best I can think of is to plot your waypoints as independent routes. |
| 02:21.24 | Emiml | Marupa: this gnosie http://gnoise.sourceforge.net/gfx/screenshot/v0.1.16A_screen1.html seems to be simple |
| 02:21.24 | karsten | bwlang: ... and sum them. |
| 02:21.25 | mhall | bwlang: yeah mapquest *USED* to allow that |
| 02:21.25 | syntaxx | karsten, yeah it is correct in lilo.conf root=/dev/hda3 but i cant seem to re-run lilo |
| 02:21.27 | mhall | bwlang: but then they don't. afaict google's never allowed it. |
| 02:21.34 | mhall | bwlang: best i found is rand mcnally |
| 02:21.39 | karsten | syntaxx: There's a syntax for doing it to specify a given mountpoint. |
| 02:21.40 | mhall | bwlang: their trip planner has a road trip mode |
| 02:21.41 | bwlang | hmm - seems like such an obvious feature... |
| 02:21.42 | woaro | which program can do faxing via 56K modem? right now, in my kde menu there is only KFax which is only a viewer. |
| 02:21.47 | mhall | bwlang: yes, it's totally obvious |
| 02:21.49 | karsten | syntaxx: ... or you can chroot into your root filesystem and run lilo normally. |
| 02:21.58 | karsten | woaro: efax |
| 02:21.58 | newbcoder | does valgrind not run on 64bit machines? |
| 02:22.00 | mhall | bwlang: my dad used to swear by it and was very pissed when it got cut from mapquest |
| 02:22.12 | karsten | woaro: ... or hylafax but everytime I've looked at that my head exploded. |
| 02:22.12 | syntaxx | karsten, ok ill boot again to ubuntu live cd |
| 02:22.13 | bwlang | easy to do too - just concatenate two route |
| 02:22.29 | mhall | bwlang: unfortunately the modern computer usability school of thought is, delete it if it's not 100% immediately useful and intelligible; fuck power users |
| 02:22.37 | bwlang | karsten - sorry to hear about your head ;) |
| 02:22.39 | mhall | bwlang: this is what Gnome does, and why Linux hates it |
| 02:22.43 | mhall | karsten: head? |
| 02:22.47 | karsten | bwlang: Actually, I'm doing much better since. |
| 02:22.51 | karsten | mhall: ^^ hylafax. |
| 02:22.53 | mhall | newbcoder: no. not even. valgrind is kind of an emu. |
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| 02:23.02 | mhall | newbcoder: so some of it's asm. |
| 02:23.05 | karsten | mhall: And how're you doing you hunka hunka burnin? |
| 02:23.07 | woaro | karsten: thks. is there no email or wordpro program which supports faxing? |
| 02:23.18 | mhall | karsten: better before you got all homoerotic ;-) |
| 02:23.26 | bwlang | woaro: i use faxitnice - pretty cheap |
| 02:23.30 | karsten | woaro: efax essentially becomes a printer, I think, soyou can "print" to it. Or I may be confused. |
| 02:23.37 | karsten | mhall: ;-) |
| 02:23.56 | mhall | Has anybody found a Linux substitute for dvdshrink yet? |
| 02:23.58 | karsten | mhall: How's stockton these days? |
| 02:24.10 | woaro | bwlang: faxitnice is not free? |
| 02:24.14 | five0` | ah, i was hunting arond for an alternative these past couple of weeks |
| 02:24.30 | five0` | no hits on dvdshrink for linux, besides the dvdshrink _for_ linux |
| 02:24.39 | mhall | karsten: I graduated and moved to Roseville. I work for HP. |
| 02:24.45 | mhall | five0`: just found some shit btw |
| 02:24.49 | karsten | mhall: Sweet. |
| 02:24.52 | karsten | mhall: Doing what? |
| 02:24.53 | bwlang | woaro: it's a service you pay for on a per use basis... for low volume i think it's a good value (faxitnice.com) |
| 02:24.59 | mhall | five0`: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ unstable main |
| 02:25.05 | five0` | mhall: i found a lot of forum posts on why dvdshrink should be made open |
| 02:25.08 | mhall | five0`: apt-cache search dvd shrink afterward |
| 02:25.09 | woaro | bwlang: i see. |
| 02:25.21 | mhall | five0`: problem is if they did it could cause a flareup with the copyright police |
| 02:25.27 | mhall | five0`: aka the thought gestapo |
| 02:25.30 | five0` | yep |
| 02:25.47 | mhall | karsten: I am a security solutions engineer. |
| 02:26.36 | tuv | five0, check out lxdvdrip |
| 02:26.40 | five0` | is that fancier than it sounds? :) |
| 02:26.52 | five0` | tuv: yeah, i have |
| 02:27.11 | five0` | tuv: it's just that dvdshrink is such a great (free) product |
| 02:27.12 | tuv | five0, doesn't it do what dvdshrink does? |
| 02:27.19 | five0` | tuv: not quite |
| 02:27.26 | tuv | five0, what does it lack? |
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| 02:27.59 | five0` | tuv: it just works |
| 02:28.12 | five0` | tuv: i never had the time and patience to fiddle around with lx |
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| 02:28.37 | tuv | five0, so how can you tell it does not do what dvdshrink does? |
| 02:28.42 | mhall | five0`: there are several other choices at deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ unstable main |
| 02:28.49 | tuv | five0, by dvdshrink for linux, did you mean xdvdshrink |
| 02:28.50 | tuv | ? |
| 02:28.50 | kminor | hey guys I installed a bunch of software I dont need and would like to start all over, is there any way to uninstall all the software updates made by the apt or whatever graphical interface? |
| 02:29.14 | kminor | er get back to the basic install without reinstalling all of debian and having to delete grub from the mbr |
| 02:29.22 | mhall | tuv: what he said was, he wanted point and click, if it is not point and click and only does what dvdshrink does by manual adjustment, then it does not do what dvdshrink does |
| 02:29.28 | MustangMatt | So etch is sounding exciting eh? |
| 02:29.31 | mhall | kminor: ok. this is pretty easy. |
| 02:29.38 | MustangMatt | I'm curious what the performance hit is on those encrypted partitions. |
| 02:29.43 | mhall | kminor: first what did you install? |
| 02:29.53 | dendrite | kminor: What flavor of Debian? |
| 02:29.58 | tuv | mhall, i see |
| 02:29.59 | mhall | MustangMatt: which encryption code base (dmcrypt or loop-aes) and which cipher |
| 02:30.14 | tuv | mhall, thanks for saving the conversation from growing into *^$# |
| 02:30.28 | MustangMatt | mhall: Whichever the install defaults. |
| 02:30.29 | five0` | ah, it wasn't really headed there |
| 02:30.39 | mhall | tuv: i'm sorry if i came off rude, was just trying to make the best summary i could |
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| 02:30.48 | five0` | tuv: but yeah, as mhall mentioned, i prefer the simplicity of dvdshrink |
| 02:30.52 | tuv | mhall, it's perfectly fine |
| 02:31.01 | kminor | mhall: like a mysql server and all sorts of stuff |
| 02:31.06 | terminal|giga | anyone have an nforce 2 socket A motherboard or a pci-express socket 939 motherboard they'd like to sell me? |
| 02:31.15 | mhall | MustangMatt: hmm. i'm not sure which it uses, but on my last setup of loop-aes with aes128 i got about 5% penalty on a celeron 2.5 |
| 02:31.26 | MustangMatt | mhall: wow that's not bad at all. |
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| 02:31.49 | mhall | MustangMatt: now on my dual opteron box i'm using plain raid 5 instead and it seems to take more opteron time than partition encryption did on the celeron |
| 02:31.50 | erichapkido | Hi, does anyone know what permissions a svn repository needs to have/ |
| 02:31.53 | tuv | five0`, i know some names only and haven't used any (prefer to rip to 700MB avi), but did you try xdvdshrink? or is it what you referred to as dvdshrink for linux? |
| 02:31.54 | five0` | terminal|giga: i've several dfi lanparties |
| 02:31.57 | PumpkinPie | how do I use "wall" without specifying a file? |
| 02:32.06 | MustangMatt | mhall: I assume the boot partition is unencrypted. |
| 02:32.09 | mhall | MustangMatt: so my summary of it would be that, encryption doesn't seem that bad from my experience |
| 02:32.17 | terminal|giga | five0, price? |
| 02:32.24 | mhall | MustangMatt: well you see unencrypted boot partitions cause some scary security issues |
| 02:32.30 | five0` | terminal|giga: 80AU ? |
| 02:32.37 | kminor | dendrite: the newest wekly testing hang on let me uname it |
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| 02:32.41 | mhall | MustangMatt: the issue is, what happens when somebody trojans your crypto utilities |
| 02:32.43 | terminal|giga | whats that in USD? |
| 02:32.50 | mhall | tuv: maybe 60 |
| 02:32.52 | MustangMatt | mhall: Ah I see. |
| 02:32.53 | kminor | im on a non debian box right now gotta go in the other room |
| 02:32.54 | mhall | shit |
| 02:32.58 | mhall | terminal|giga: maybe 60 |
| 02:33.00 | five0` | terminal|giga: bout 75% |
| 02:33.02 | mhall | tuv: wrong dude sorry |
| 02:33.05 | Hoxzer___ | is somebody here using shorewall? |
| 02:33.16 | dendrite | kminor: The command to remove packages completely is apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 02:33.22 | mhall | MustangMatt: so, if you want it to work like it's supposed to, you're supposed to use initrd |
| 02:33.31 | terminal|giga | five0, email me? terminal.recluse@gmail.com |
| 02:33.35 | mhall | MustangMatt: sadly debian install crypto is so now i don't know if that's what it does |
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| 02:33.47 | mhall | MustangMatt: i will note to you that, on my box, i never did patch that hole |
| 02:33.51 | terminal|giga | I'll prolly end up getting it me thinks shoudl shipping not be too expensive to the stats |
| 02:33.51 | dendrite | kminor: And your install history is logged, in /var/log/<name of package management tool> |
| 02:33.58 | mhall | MustangMatt: because at the time it all had to be done by hand |
| 02:34.04 | five0` | terminal|giga: heh, i shall. bear in mind that I'm considering going diskless with a couple of them :) |
| 02:34.12 | mhall | MustangMatt: and was very difficult work, and i was very busy at university just then |
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| 02:34.23 | MustangMatt | mhall: Gotcha |
| 02:34.27 | terminal|giga | five0, that's fine. |
| 02:34.35 | mhall | MustangMatt: i will say, most things in debian seem to use initrd all around |
| 02:34.36 | dendrite | kminor: So it just becomes a matter of looking at the logs and removing what you don't want. |
| 02:34.37 | kminor | dendrite: yeah kos it installed like 2.6.16-2-vserver and all that and i have a bunch of diff. kernel options after one update heh ;) |
| 02:34.42 | mhall | MustangMatt: so chances are good that it works |
| 02:35.13 | MustangMatt | mhall: I need to setup a test machine and start playing around with it. |
| 02:35.23 | kminor | dendrite: kool thanks, anything in particular diff. for uninstalling kernels from the grub.conf |
| 02:35.26 | five0` | tuv: sorry, it's dvdshrink under wine |
| 02:35.34 | dendrite | kminor: So it's just a matter of working backward using that log. |
| 02:35.42 | dendrite | kminor: How were the kernel images installed? |
| 02:35.56 | dendrite | kminor: With the package manager? |
| 02:35.59 | kminor | dendrite: via gnome bs |
| 02:36.01 | kminor | yeah |
| 02:36.22 | dendrite | kminor: Then you can remove them the same way. Just don't remove the one you use to boot... =) |
| 02:36.29 | kminor | dendrite: should i just unselect them from package manager? |
| 02:36.41 | kminor | dendrite: haha thanks, sorry for the idiocy |
| 02:36.48 | kminor | dendrite: haha ya |
| 02:36.56 | mhall | MustangMatt: vmware gsx server version is free now |
| 02:36.58 | dendrite | kminor: I don't use a GUI package manager, so I can't tell you the details. Try one or two, and see. |
| 02:37.02 | mhall | MustangMatt: that could be a good choice |
| 02:37.34 | dendrite | kminor: Note that some removes will also remove dependencies -- packages that depend on the one being removed. |
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| 02:38.33 | MustangMatt | mhall: I'm scared of the eula a bit. I guess I need to read it and see how much evil it contains. |
| 02:38.35 | dendrite | kminor: There is a program called deborphan that may come in handy to track down any libs not needed after remove. However, I understand that the new GUI package managers are smarter about removing libs that were installed only for the package being explictly removed. If that makes sense... |
| 02:39.21 | mhall | MustangMatt: hmm. not a bad point. could be a bit... scary. |
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| 02:41.41 | kminor | dendrite: indeed, i usually use commandline, from now on I will, that way the files go where i want them ;) |
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| 02:42.14 | dendrite | kminor: So, what prompted this package installation frenzy? |
| 02:42.24 | karsten | mhall: What does that entail (SSE)? |
| 02:43.53 | Hoxzer___ | dsad |
| 02:44.23 | mhall | karsten: well, i work to design good network architectures which lead to secure networks |
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| 02:44.53 | mhall | karsten: for example right now i am using snmp security events to automate the network's response to threats |
| 02:45.15 | karsten | mhall: Ah... |
| 02:45.25 | karsten | mhall: *Intelligent* DoS response ;-) |
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| 02:48.09 | kminor | dendrite: me leaving the console for a week hah |
| 02:48.27 | mhall | karsten: well we engineer very flexible architectures and want to make it so essentially anything could be defined as a threat |
| 02:48.35 | dendrite | kminor: HA HA. =) |
| 02:48.44 | dendrite | kminor: Like a kid in a candy store? |
| 02:48.47 | mhall | karsten: although of course we have some heuristics and sensible defaults for what we think's most important |
| 02:49.01 | karsten | mhall: Dig. Seriously, sounds interesting. |
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| 02:49.09 | kminor | dendrite: I put fedora on my laptop and debian on my server and went on vacation, i have to say im becoming more and more partial to debian for SURE |
| 02:49.12 | karsten | mhall: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/cidr-house-rules.pdf |
| 02:49.20 | kminor | i guess they have their own ups and downs |
| 02:49.27 | karsten | mhall: Might want to take a look at that, identifying problem areas using BPG routing data. |
| 02:49.34 | dendrite | kminor: I bailed from the RedHat clan at 7.3. :-) |
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| 02:49.53 | karsten | mhall: Eg: once you've identified threat-profile behavior, see if it's coming from any particular sources with greater prevalence tan others. |
| 02:50.02 | karsten | dendrite: 5.2 ;-) |
| 02:50.17 | karsten | dendrite: I was on for one major rev. |
| 02:50.30 | dendrite | karsten: Yeah yeah, I was late to the party. I worked at places that used it... |
| 02:50.37 | karsten | dendrite: OK, *maybe* 6.0, don't recall. |
| 02:50.54 | dendrite | karsten: So that means you would have jumped ship from slak to rh? =) |
| 02:50.55 | karsten | dendrite: Oh, I've been _paid_ to "service" it, but mind ... |
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| 02:51.01 | karsten | dendrite: ... I'm a whore, not a slut. |
| 02:51.15 | karsten | dendrite: No, started w/ RH at 4.2, switched to Debian in 1999. |
| 02:51.37 | dendrite | karsten: Ah. Nice. |
| 02:52.12 | karsten | dendrite: RH 6.0 came out April, 1999, so I may have deployed, it, recollection is I didn't. http://www.owlriver.com/redhat_versions.html |
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| 02:52.41 | shuveb|home | is there a full iso of etch available? |
| 02:53.07 | tuv | yes. CDs and DVDs |
| 02:53.20 | tuv | DVDs via jigdo only i guess |
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| 02:54.26 | kminor | dendrite: thanks again, i'll be back aftah my night class bleg (im sure anyway :) ) |
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| 02:55.53 | woaro | karsten: in efax, the 'Send to Fax' box is only one line. Yet it is supposed to be used for direct entry of texts to be sent. Is that right? |
| 02:56.20 | karsten | woaro: Sorry? I haven't used it in a while. CLI or GUI? |
| 02:56.30 | woaro | karsten: i m talking about efax-gtk |
| 02:56.38 | karsten | woaro: Never used it. |
| 02:56.42 | woaro | ok |
| 02:57.00 | karsten | woaro: I used the CLI, IIRC it was just 'efax <option> <phonenumber> |
| 02:57.06 | karsten | woaro: .. and the file to send. |
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| 02:57.33 | woaro | thks, i'll figure it out myself. |
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| 02:59.24 | shuveb|home | is it safe to use etch on a home system - i just do some coding/browsing, not mission critical like a server |
| 02:59.40 | MustangMatt | yes |
| 03:01.04 | bws42 | shuveb|home totally |
| 03:01.21 | bws42 | I use it for routers that are very stable (at least until their hd dies) |
| 03:01.28 | shuveb|home | so etch is the best way to have latest s/w on debian and you guys tell me etch is pretty stable for regular use.... |
| 03:01.41 | karsten | shuveb|home: Sure. |
| 03:02.37 | karsten | shuveb|home: You might think twice about it on servers. Debian's testing/unstable tends to be higher quality than _most_ distro's "stable" release. Debian's "stable" refers to the fact that the packages themselves do *not* change or update, except for security / bugfixes, backported if at all possible. |
| 03:03.32 | karsten | shuveb|home: ... which is very appropriate for a production server environment but less critical for desktops where a bit of system slop can be tolerated. Ubuntu tends to shave this even better for desktop use with a somewhat tighter mix of currency and stability. |
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| 03:04.12 | shuveb|home | Dapper Drake is very flaky :( - i used the first release |
| 03:04.41 | karsten | shuveb|home: OK. I don't run Ubuntu principally myself, though I've tried it out a few times. What's current/ Warty? |
| 03:04.56 | shuveb|home | Dapper Drake |
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| 03:05.01 | karsten | shuveb|home: OK. |
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| 03:05.39 | shuveb|home | karsten, the installer needs to be started from a GNOME live CD and its slow |
| 03:06.12 | karsten | shuveb|home: Yeah, I've used the installer |
| 03:06.19 | shuveb|home | karsten, hmm |
| 03:06.33 | shuveb|home | is the binary-1 CD of Etch bootable? |
| 03:06.47 | karsten | shuveb|home: #ubuntu |
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| 03:11.53 | YeTr2 | does anyone know of any work in debian on iptables extensions and how to install them properly? |
| 03:12.23 | bws42 | YeTr2 did you have a particular extension in mind? |
| 03:12.31 | YeTr2 | bws42: ipt_time |
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| 03:14.19 | bws42 | isn't that in the kernel? |
| 03:14.24 | YeTr2 | bws42: no |
| 03:15.32 | bws42 | hmm, sorry I must have been thinking of something else then |
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| 03:18.17 | YeTr2 | so, nothing on iptables extensions? |
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| 03:20.07 | _ericb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:22.41 | Hoxzer___ | Somebody here using shorewall? |
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| 03:23.28 | mesc | cu |
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| 03:29.29 | slaq | anyone running linux (deb?) on a macbook? |
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| 03:31.31 | sid | !tell slaq about ppc |
| 03:32.04 | slaq | macbook is not ppc :) |
| 03:32.10 | sid | What is it? |
| 03:32.16 | bws42 | intel |
| 03:32.19 | sid | weird |
| 03:32.29 | bws42 | ? |
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| 03:32.36 | sid | never heard of that |
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| 03:32.42 | slaq | i'm getting mine tomorrow.. just curious what kinda trouble i have to expect |
| 03:32.46 | slaq | sid, goto apple.com |
| 03:32.51 | bws42 | yeah I believe they just came out |
| 03:33.08 | sid | slaq: If you're using an intel processor why do you are you asking if anyone is on a macbook |
| 03:33.11 | sid | !tell slaq about anyone |
| 03:33.29 | sid | !macbook |
| 03:33.29 | dpkg | i guess macbook is now known to work under bootcamp, details still sparse. |
| 03:34.07 | slaq | sid, im just curious about personal expirience.. i know linux runs on it and everything is supposed to work except the camera |
| 03:34.19 | slaq | i wonder about heat, fan noise etc |
| 03:34.27 | sid | slaq: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 03:34.29 | slaq | whether acpi works properly |
| 03:34.40 | slaq | ah nice |
| 03:34.41 | slaq | thx |
| 03:34.57 | sid | I searched google with this # macbook site:debian.org |
| 03:35.00 | sid | fyi |
| 03:35.30 | slaq | well, im on my old laptop right now, no X ;) |
| 03:35.49 | slaq | but will look that up later |
| 03:36.44 | woaro | i am having "tcgetattr on fd=3 failed i/o error" and "fax device write i/o error" when i put efax on'Sstandby'. can anyone help? |
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| 03:37.54 | trygg | jetscreamer: I think its working now. :D |
| 03:38.06 | trygg | That script is a keeper! :) |
| 03:38.59 | bws42 | anyone know how to get cron to log into a file other than syslog? |
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| 03:39.30 | woaro | the errors occur for 'Answer Call" and Take over call' too. |
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| 03:41.58 | sid | Is etch going to support suspend2 out of the box? so people are able to hibernate/sleep? |
| 03:42.18 | karsten | slaq: macbook pro is intell. macbook is ppc. |
| 03:42.45 | karsten | bws42: man logger |
| 03:43.16 | sid | slaq: ahh, you see. You're getting powerpc chip |
| 03:44.31 | karsten | bws42: logger -f <file> "log message" |
| 03:44.47 | tuv | bws42, i have /var/log/cron.log |
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| 03:45.12 | sid | karsten: wikipedia says it's intel |
| 03:45.13 | sid | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macbook |
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| 03:45.39 | bws42 | tuv did you set up anything special? mine goes to syslog and I don't have that file |
| 03:45.44 | tuv | bws42, no |
| 03:46.00 | bws42 | karsten that seems to add more stuff to the log, not send cron to a different file |
| 03:46.03 | tuv | bws42, syslog is a catch-all log file. things can go to multiple log files |
| 03:46.24 | tuv | bws42, check your /etc/syslog.conf |
| 03:46.42 | tuv | bws42, i have "cron.* /var/log/cron.log" there |
| 03:46.49 | bws42 | ahh I see that, thanks |
| 03:46.52 | karsten | bws42: Well, write your cronjob to log whatever info you want it to log, to the file you want to log it to. YOU can also pipe output: <command> | logger -f <file> |
| 03:46.58 | bws42 | it's easy once you know where to look :P |
| 03:47.28 | tuv | :) |
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| 03:54.11 | reums9183 | I am new to installing debian and am having troble with booting up debian |
| 03:55.40 | dendrite | reums9183: Remember, people on IRC can't see what you're seeing, so you have to be descriptive, and ask very specific questions. |
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| 03:56.30 | reums9183 | sorry, I'm not seening anything rightnow, I am in Knoppix. |
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| 03:57.14 | reums9183 | I am having troble all the same, the boot goes to a DHCP error screen when starting the computer |
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| 03:59.14 | BarryAllen | hi all |
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| 03:59.39 | dan2 | asg, yo dude |
| 04:00.11 | reums9183 | I have installled debian but I can't get it to boot, what is wrong? I am using a jfs system. |
| 04:03.04 | reums9183 | I"ll be back soon and send the error sover the IRC chat. |
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| 04:05.26 | alpaca | does anyone have any experience installing the nvidia drivers for laptops? |
| 04:07.07 | g333k | alpaca, in the same way doing in a desktop |
| 04:07.16 | g333k | alpaca, is* |
| 04:07.28 | alpaca | ...what? |
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| 04:18.20 | remus | hayo this is remus9183 |
| 04:19.12 | remus | I wrote the error info from boot |
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| 04:19.39 | remus | to let you know it never gets to the OS at all |
| 04:19.56 | Ronsonolz | Im using iptables -A FORWARD -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT to try to iptables to auto open ports |
| 04:20.00 | Ronsonolz | is this the wrong thing to do? |
| 04:21.16 | remus | the error is: CLIANT MAC ADDR: 00 50 70 56 AB 0B |
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| 04:21.44 | remus | GUID: FFFFFFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFF-FFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 04:21.49 | dendrite | remus: Do you have a working DHCP server on your network? |
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| 04:22.11 | remus | PXE-E53: No boot filename recived |
| 04:22.12 | taylor | Which font package or packages are required by firefox to display http://www.yahoo.co.jp/? |
| 04:22.36 | dendrite | remus: Looks like you've set your machine to boot from the network...? |
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| 04:23.10 | remus | PXE-M0F: Exiting NVIDIA Boot Agent |
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| 04:23.50 | remus | DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYTEMDISK AND PRESS ENTER |
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| 04:24.03 | remus | that is my error |
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| 04:24.31 | remus | dendrite: network? |
| 04:25.21 | remus | we are trying to make the system a Personal Desktop, dendrite |
| 04:25.31 | dendrite | Looks like the installer didn't get the OS loader into your boot partition. Or, do you have your machine set up to "network boot" ? |
| 04:25.37 | phorce1 | remus: so you either have a bad hard drive or you didn't allow the install to put grub onto the boot sector or you are set up in bios to boot only from network or from the wrong drive |
| 04:26.55 | remus | it did have a error that the installer had broblems wiht installing GRUB, so, I thaught it could just put LILO on insted |
| 04:27.14 | dendrite | remus: Does your BIOS have any anti-virus type settings turned on? |
| 04:27.26 | phorce1 | will a Debian install of perl freak out in any way if cpan is used for all the modules I need to install? (Sarge -- The program that uses perl frequently wants the latest version of the modules) |
| 04:28.26 | trygg | Apt's fastness is almost unreal! :D |
| 04:28.27 | dendrite | phorce1: I'd guess that as long as you consistently use CPAN, and don't turn around and use apt to install Perl modules, you should be OK. |
| 04:28.46 | phorce1 | remus: yes, check for a setting in BIOS that prevents the boot sector from being written and turn that off. Then re-do the install. You may be able to break of the install at the drive partitioning point and have it install grub then reboot |
| 04:28.48 | dendrite | phorce1: Or at least don't use apt to install the *same* modules. |
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| 04:29.54 | phorce1 | dendrite: I hate having to figure oput the Debian package names for the modules anyway. And once this system works the install won't be touched. |
| 04:29.54 | dendrite | phorce1: I'm not sure if checkinstall can build packages from CPAN installs... |
| 04:29.57 | remus | where is cmos do I look, I am really new to installing debian |
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| 04:30.11 | dendrite | phorce1: Sounds like you're making a strong case for using CPAN. |
| 04:30.14 | remus | *in cmos |
| 04:31.13 | dendrite | remus: Your BIOS has nothing directly to do with Debian, it's the stuff in your computer _before_ any operating system boots. Look for security settings, or anti-virus... |
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| 04:31.29 | phorce1 | dendrite: Freeside ISP billing system. Our legacy billing system bit us in the a$$ so it's now become a "priority project". I just wish I knew perl because support is spotty. Small community of users |
| 04:31.37 | dendrite | remus: And also turn off network booting while you're at it. |
| 04:32.41 | phorce1 | remus: in most BIOS screens it is on the "second" screen (usually labeled "Advanced BIOS settings") |
| 04:35.37 | phorce1 | dendrite: sure would have been nice if the author had written a bundle for the 43 modules the system wants installed. I tried to write one but it just barfed when I tried to use it. I must have gotten some of the syntax wrong somewhere. |
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| 04:35.58 | remus | Thank you. I'll try these things! |
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| 04:36.25 | phorce1 | he develops on a Sarge system but won't maintain a package for the program <sigh> |
| 04:36.35 | dendrite | phorce1: That would make it too easy. |
| 04:38.35 | phorce1 | OK, /me is gone back to my ssh session to finish setting up PostgreSQL. Need to have this done by Monday. |
| 04:39.35 | treyh0 | what do i need to configure so the fonts in the openoffice.org gui aren't fuzzy? the rest of my gnome desktop is using subpixel anti-aliasing, but openoffice.org wants to blind me with fuzzies |
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| 04:44.57 | dragonfly | hi all, i have two debian boxes and on one of them when I go to add a printer I have a huge list of available brands and models under each....on the other box there are only a few brands and not all the models of each under them....how can i determine what package i installed or what I did to get the rest of the options to my other box |
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| 04:49.30 | Bitz | hi, is there a netinstall cd for amd64? |
| 04:50.22 | Bitz | i see ia64 but no amd64 |
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| 04:50.33 | dragonfly | hi all, i have two debian boxes and on one of them when I go to add a printer I have a huge list of available brands and models under each....on the other box there are only a few brands and not all the models of each under them....how can i determine what package i installed or what I did to get the rest of the options to my other box |
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| 04:53.35 | Bitz | i guess amd64 is not availible yet. |
| 04:54.54 | pstickne | it's not? |
| 04:55.21 | dragonfly | bitz, what u tryin' to do? |
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| 04:55.31 | dragonfly | last i heard 64 is available in etch |
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| 04:55.44 | dragonfly | i do have sarge running quite well on an amd64 |
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| 04:56.47 | Bitz | install debian on amd opteron 64 |
| 04:56.50 | sid | amd64 has been available for a long time. Now it's just official. Or at least that's how I understand it. |
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| 04:57.52 | Bitz | you mean it has been ported to amd64 |
| 04:58.20 | dragonfly | i've got debian running on an amd64 with SATA hard drive |
| 04:58.34 | dan2 | asg, yo dude |
| 04:58.36 | dragonfly | i could try to remember what I did and help you through it if you'd like |
| 04:58.37 | Bitz | where can i download it? i see only ai64 on debian site |
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| 04:59.03 | dragonfly | i got the install image from an other than debian site, i'll see if i can find it and/or where i got it from |
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| 04:59.04 | dragonfly | one moment |
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| 05:00.20 | dragonfly | try kmuto.jp/b.cgi i blieve is where i got the installer from |
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| 05:00.31 | Bitz | cool |
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| 05:01.27 | dragonfly | glad to help....i finally know enough (i think) to start giving back to this community from which i've taken so much |
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| 05:01.58 | codynotes | I see on my fresh install of etch here that there is a system user named 'backup'. I can't seem to find any information about why it's there. Would that be an appropriate user to run automated rsync backups under, or is the user for some special system purpose? |
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| 05:04.42 | dragonfly | codynotes, never heard of that before....but then again, i haven't played with etch yet |
| 05:04.54 | enouf | treyh0: try KDE or GNOME Control Center and disable, the REenable antialiasing |
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| 05:05.09 | enouf | then* |
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| 05:32.31 | idioterna | re |
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| 05:32.42 | idioterna | does anyone know where can i get locale packages? |
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| 05:32.54 | idioterna | what goes in /usr/share/locale ? |
| 05:33.28 | idioterna | i'm missing the utf-8 set of locales |
| 05:33.47 | idioterna | anyone? |
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| 05:34.22 | simonrvn | locales package, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 05:34.56 | idioterna | great, thank you |
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| 05:42.06 | Celi | hi |
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| 05:45.48 | sid | !greet Celi |
| 05:45.48 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Celi |
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| 05:46.41 | Celi | I've got an offtopic question: Is there a french person here who could answer me a question about the Futur I in french please? |
| 05:47.26 | sid | Celi: /join #debianfr |
| 05:47.35 | sid | Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debian-fr dans irc.debian.org ou #debianfr dans irc.freenode.net |
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| 05:48.28 | sid | #debian-fr has more people go there |
| 05:48.43 | Celi | thank you sid |
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| 05:52.39 | tonsofpcs | possible reasons for kernel panic on boot after memory upgrade (64 MB to 320 MB) ? |
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| 05:52.48 | Coweater | bad memory |
| 05:53.33 | tonsofpcs | that's what I was afraid of |
| 05:53.43 | tonsofpcs | I guess i'll push memtest on it in the morning and figure out which stick it is |
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| 05:56.41 | Sonic^Work | Hi all! |
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| 05:56.48 | Sonic^Work | I've got a question. |
| 05:57.11 | simonrvn | I've got an answer. |
| 05:57.12 | streuner | fine, just ask |
| 05:57.13 | Sonic^Work | I need to compress captured video in a format suitable for writing to the DVD disc. What software should i use? |
| 05:57.24 | Sonic^Work | I've tried mencoder but it outputs only MPEG4. |
| 05:57.30 | Sonic^Work | ffmpeg? |
| 05:57.35 | tonsofpcs | it doesn't matter, just output MPEG2 |
| 05:57.41 | g333k | A nice front end for iptables? |
| 05:57.44 | tonsofpcs | vlc or ffmpeg should work |
| 05:57.50 | tonsofpcs | g333k - bash :) |
| 05:58.03 | g333k | Lp |
| 05:58.05 | g333k | :p |
| 05:58.18 | streuner | !info shorewall |
| 05:58.26 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall), a high-level tool for configuring Netfilter), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 232 kB, Installed size: 1096 kB |
| 05:58.37 | Sonic^Work | tonsofpcs, BTW, is there any DVD authoring software (menu editor/creator etc)? |
| 05:58.52 | karsten | Sonic^Work: kino? |
| 05:58.53 | simonrvn | !tell Sonic^Work about search |
| 05:58.53 | Emiml | Sonic^Work: what happens If you drop video file to dvd project in k3b ? It should encode into dvd-format I think |
| 05:59.24 | g333k | streuner, I think shorewall is not like a front end, is like a tool that uses iptables right? |
| 05:59.29 | karsten | Emiml: I don't think that's what he's looking for, more the DVD meus and such you'd see on a commercial release or with some Windows stuff. |
| 05:59.44 | sid | Sonic^Work: I've used dvdstyler before. It seems to work well. |
| 05:59.49 | g333k | streuner, doest it have a gui? |
| 06:00.01 | Sonic^Work | simonrvn, Just don't answer if yoy don't want to. Of course i know about Google, but i'm at work and have a little time to surf. And in my practice asking someone usually speeds things up (of course if that someone knows the answer) |
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| 06:00.32 | sid | Sonic^Work: I believe it's the best dvd authoring/menu creating software out there. The only other software that comes close is qdvdauthor |
| 06:00.54 | Sonic^Work | sid, Thanks |
| 06:00.54 | simonrvn | um, read the factoid. |
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| 06:01.27 | wahjava | hi channel |
| 06:01.44 | wahjava | can anybody tell me what privileges do I grant to 'debian-sys-maint' user in my mysql database |
| 06:01.56 | wahjava | which I copied from another computer |
| 06:01.57 | streuner | g333k: apt-cache show shorewall |
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| 06:02.05 | Guerin | wahjava: the documentation can |
| 06:02.25 | wahjava | Guerin: is it mentioned documentation ? |
| 06:02.27 | Guerin | wahjava: but you shouldn't fuck with this; the install script should do it all for you |
| 06:02.33 | Guerin | wahjava: yes. |
| 06:02.54 | wahjava | Guerin: I removed the default /var/lib/mysql and restored my /var/lib/mysql |
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| 06:03.07 | wahjava | Guerin: copied from another box |
| 06:03.10 | Guerin | you get to keep the pieces |
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| 06:05.14 | tlotze | hi |
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| 06:05.37 | Sonic^Work | And one more question: during video encoding i want to see what i'm encoding. Can i do this? I can't launch for example Zapping and mencoder, second program fails to open video4linux device. |
| 06:05.44 | tlotze | I wonder where to find the packages for the AMD64 testing release? |
| 06:05.44 | wahjava | tlotze: hi |
| 06:06.07 | tlotze | http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html seems to list only mirrors of AMD64 stable/unstable archives |
| 06:06.13 | streuner | !tell tlotze about amd64 |
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| 06:06.30 | tlotze | thx |
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| 06:07.58 | Wood1 | How do I install the latest kernel in Debian Etch ? |
| 06:07.58 | jontec | I have a question, but it has mistaches associated with it. |
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| 06:08.45 | Mportnoy | anyone from costa rica? |
| 06:09.00 | simonrvn | people from costa rica are |
| 06:09.18 | jontec | I'm a Kubuntu user trying to install ubuntu 5.10 on one of my old laptops. I used the debian directions to get all of the things setup for a usb boot. I have the boot floopy that appears to work and my usb I used an image. |
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| 06:09.40 | simonrvn | and you should ask #ubuntu |
| 06:09.44 | jontec | I got an error in the installation, but I'm not sure on which end the problem occured. |
| 06:10.36 | jontec | the installation talked about a mismatch in the kernals used between the installation and the .iso image on my usb disk. Can anyone help me figure out what is going on |
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| 06:10.48 | jontec | or should I ask in an ubuntu channel? |
| 06:10.56 | Guerin | jontec: duh. |
| 06:11.11 | jontec | okay, then. |
| 06:11.14 | streuner | jontec: why do you ask in #debian? |
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| 06:11.42 | jontec | that was where the installation insturctions came from. |
| 06:11.52 | jontec | for a boot from floopy disk to boot from usb disk |
| 06:11.58 | streuner | !drxx jontec |
| 06:11.58 | dpkg | jontec: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:12.06 | streuner | !tell jontec about ig |
| 06:12.20 | streuner | just install debian |
| 06:12.34 | jontec | I'm on dial-up. My cds here are my only options |
| 06:13.08 | streuner | in which country are you? |
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| 06:13.16 | jontec | United States |
| 06:13.25 | Wood1 | hello all |
| 06:13.40 | Wood1 | I need some help to install the latest kernel in Debian Etch ? |
| 06:13.51 | Wood1 | anybody out there can help me with that ? |
| 06:14.36 | streuner | jontec: look at the vendor list of debian.org, you can buy DVD's or CD's there |
| 06:15.14 | jontec | I'm a cheapo, I'll ask it in ubuntu |
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| 06:15.29 | sid | !tell jontec about ubuntu |
| 06:15.37 | streuner | that all depends how expensive dial-up is for you |
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| 06:15.48 | sid | jontec: You're in the wrong place. Debian is not Ubuntu. Ubuntu is completely different. /join #ubuntu |
| 06:15.53 | sid | jontec: yes |
| 06:16.04 | streuner | sid: we already spoke about this |
| 06:16.10 | ph00 | wood1 I installed 2.6.16 by apt-get |
| 06:16.18 | ph00 | apt-get install linux-image-2.6-<your cpu> |
| 06:16.28 | ph00 | probly because ubuntu is debian-based. most ppl don't even try #ubuntu |
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| 06:16.34 | ph00 | no wait, the installation howto *must* come from ubuntu, not debian |
| 06:16.40 | ph00 | !xmd5 |
| 06:16.40 | dpkg | i heard x md5sum is If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. Ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are ... |
| 06:16.42 | jontec | I know this. I think you guys are missing my point. The instructions for boot using floppy for usb boot were in your installation manual. I want to adopt them for ANY .iso image. |
| 06:16.48 | sid | !tell Wood1 about anybody |
| 06:16.48 | ph00 | what was his name Mark "something", who said>: "Ubuntu: an ancient African word meaning "can't install Debian" |
| 06:16.49 | jontec | I wanted to know if it was possible. |
| 06:16.56 | ph00 | wood1 I answered you bout kernel: did you try apt-get? worked for me? |
| 06:16.58 | karsten | ph00: Mark Pilgrim. |
| 06:16.58 | ph00 | worked for me |
| 06:17.03 | ph00 | apt-get install linux-image-2.6-<your cpu> |
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| 06:17.30 | Tallu | 2.6.17 isn't available in sarge it seems, but the recent security advisory suggested that it be upgraded. How should I go about doing this, just manually downloading and installing it, or..? |
| 06:17.40 | simonrvn | rather obnoxious thing to say .... |
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| 06:18.12 | sid | !tell Wood1 about apt-cache |
| 06:18.20 | Wood1 | ph00, did you face any problems with: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.1602-686 |
| 06:18.23 | simonrvn | Tallu: /msg dpkg kp + recent kernel source from the usual place (kernel.org) |
| 06:18.31 | sid | Wood1: apt-cache search linux-image; apt-get install linux-image-pick.one |
| 06:18.36 | Tallu | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 06:18.48 | Wood1 | Will I have any problems with apt-get install linux-image |
| 06:19.13 | fireba11 | hm .. loads of updates in etch/amd64 lately .. ^^ |
| 06:19.15 | elqic | Wood1, the answer is no. go try and let us know if you encounter problem. |
| 06:19.44 | Wood1 | What about install the new kernel by sources ? |
| 06:20.04 | ph00 | karsten. yes Pilgrim. he was right. it took me 6 month of ubuntu before I could properly install sarge, and 4 or 5 failed upgrade to etch before I could get it to work |
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| 06:20.39 | simonrvn | took me about 2-3 hours of fiddling with aptitude and switching my sources.list to debian sources |
| 06:21.02 | simonrvn | and a fuck of a lot of patience... |
| 06:21.08 | fireba11 | ph00: hm .. upgrading to etch is easy .. just a few minor glitches to fix manually, at least without desktop now |
| 06:21.17 | ph00 | wood1 I idi apt-get install linux-image-2.6.k7 (I have an AMD Duron) and it went smoothly. I guess you shoud do apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 06:21.25 | karsten | ph00: Experiences vary widely. Ubuntu's installer is/was based pretty much on Debian's just managed to get the stuff in testing/unstable polished ahead of release. |
| 06:21.56 | ph00 | fireball you have to do things in the right sequence, it took me some tries to figure that out. than yes,it is easy |
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| 06:22.27 | simonrvn | they consist of following the instructions on-screen |
| 06:22.44 | fireba11 | ph00: it's just replace stabl or sarge in sources with etch, aptget-update; apt-get dist-upgrade ... and i needed to install gnupg manually |
| 06:23.14 | Wood1 | I am also having a problem installing the Zabbix package |
| 06:23.22 | trygg | what does 'alsa-play: xrun of at least 0.019 msecs. resetting stream' means when playing songs in mplayer? Its not just mplayer, happens with every player |
| 06:23.31 | Wood1 | does any body here use Zabbix ? |
| 06:23.47 | ph00 | karsten the dapper installer is actually very user friendly: loads a live system and then you only need to click a install icon on the desktop, you can even use the box while it copies stuff. the ubuntu 5.10 installer is very similar to debian's one but it asks less questions (good for n00bs) |
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| 06:25.00 | karsten | ph00: OK. Chroot install. Hrm. I think I've heard of that somewhere... |
| 06:25.48 | jontec | Okay, I'm doing this on my own using debian instructions. If I get an install of ubuntu. I'm going to laugh in your faces :P |
| 06:26.16 | sid | !confuse jontec |
| 06:26.16 | dpkg | No, what was my gouda tomorrow, jontec? pants of the people's republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 06:26.45 | ph00 | karsten the funny thin is that the first time I installed ubuntu 6.06 it had the live cd-installing thing, but on reinstalling from the same cd after a while I got the regular blue-screen debian-like installer (like on U5.10) |
| 06:26.56 | ph00 | thinG |
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| 06:27.14 | ph00 | !whatever |
| 06:27.15 | dpkg | from memory, whatever is the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
| 06:27.26 | ph00 | hehehehe |
| 06:27.27 | karsten | ph00: I seem to recall textmode or GUI installers but not live, last install was kubuntu this winter, prior to that, ubuntu in 2005 or so. |
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| 06:28.14 | predder | I just plugged a second drive into a working debian system, installed mdadm, made the second drive a raid device, rsynced the data from the first drive and took all the required steps to make the new drive bootable |
| 06:28.15 | ph00 | karsten that was a live cd with an install icon on desktop, the very first stable dapper (6.06) |
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| 06:28.39 | ph00 | came out one month or 6 weeks ago |
| 06:28.45 | predder | however, when I try to boot it comes up with "invalid uuid on superblock" and kernel panics |
| 06:29.09 | sid | karsten: Ubuntu recommends you install via live cd. Then double click on the installer and it installs while the live cd is running. |
| 06:29.16 | jontec | :D 6.06 was relased first of june. |
| 06:29.17 | liable | predder: eww |
| 06:29.35 | Wood1 | I need help regarding my IPTABLES log mesages |
| 06:29.40 | ph00 | kubuntu/ubuntu 5.10 have a text installer very similar to debian's the live based one is 6.06 dapper drake (one thing is good about ubuntu: cool names) |
| 06:29.49 | Wood1 | They get logged on the console itself |
| 06:29.54 | predder | liable, i've tried messing around with the mdadm.conf to no avail. Any idea where it's getting the uuid for the drives from? |
| 06:30.02 | Wood1 | It doesn't not let me type anything on the console ? |
| 06:30.08 | predder | If i boot back into the other hdd the raid comes up fine |
| 06:30.09 | Wood1 | Any ideas how to avoid it ? |
| 06:30.23 | liable | predder: check this page, see if it covers anything you didnt.. http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 06:30.24 | ph00 | woah, have already 2 - 3 months gone? where does time go? |
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| 06:30.32 | sid | karsten: The next release, is going to grab windows stuff like ie favorites, or win-firefox shortcuts and import them into firefox. Grab outlook stuff and import to thunderbird. And copy over My Documents stuff and things like this. which seems interesting. |
| 06:30.41 | sid | Also it might use SMART on top of apt. which would be great |
| 06:30.54 | liable | predder: never heard of uuid bits for drives. |
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| 06:31.55 | ph00 | !xorgmd5 |
| 06:31.56 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made |
| 06:32.05 | liable | predder: i think the cfdisk thing might be what you missed.. |
| 06:32.12 | liable | err.. sfdisk |
| 06:32.52 | karsten | sid: Quite. |
| 06:33.01 | karsten | sid ... and quite |
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| 06:35.18 | karsten | What's ServerMode? |
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| 06:35.52 | karsten | sid: ... and what's SMART? I know of the HD test stuff of the same name. |
| 06:36.16 | predder | liable, it says sfdisk is for copying partition information from one drive to the next? My disks have completely different partition information, I cfdisk'd & mkfs'd the new drive before rsyncing the data from the old one |
| 06:36.32 | sid | karsten: http://labix.org/smart |
| 06:36.36 | sid | karsten: It's the future(tm) |
| 06:37.30 | predder | i can mount the md devices and chroot into it no problems, it's just getting the superblock uuid from somewhere when I boot which is incorrect somehow :( |
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| 06:37.55 | Guerin | fucking telecommunications in this country are so goddamn evil |
| 06:38.04 | liable | predder: you need the same size partitions for raid 1, and when you sync the drives, it makes the fs for you. |
| 06:38.19 | karsten | Guerin: Not only that, but everyone sounds funny on the phone. |
| 06:38.27 | karsten | Guerin: ... wait a minute... |
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| 06:38.38 | karsten | Guerin: ... they sound funny IRL too ;-) |
| 06:38.39 | liable | karsten: they sound like that in real life too! |
| 06:38.43 | Guerin | hilarious, yeah |
| 06:38.44 | liable | !lose me |
| 06:38.45 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 06:38.46 | karsten | liable: Beat you ;-)_ |
| 06:38.53 | liable | :) |
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| 06:39.10 | karsten | Guerin: What's teh suck this time? |
| 06:39.21 | karsten | Guerin: ... and does NZ suffer from Telstra as well/ |
| 06:39.21 | mariust | im using rdiff-backup and have told it to keep my backups for 28 days, what that means is that i can rebuild the folder backed up to look like it did any one of those 28 days ago? |
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| 06:39.33 | Guerin | it's going to take 3 fucking weeks to get fast internet on |
| 06:39.44 | Guerin | karsten: yes. In NZ telstra are the GOOD guys |
| 06:39.57 | karsten | !comfort Guerin |
| 06:39.57 | dpkg | There, there, Guerin. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:39.59 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 06:40.03 | ph00 | what country? |
| 06:40.03 | karsten | Guerin: Who're the bad guys? |
| 06:40.09 | karsten | ph00: NZ. |
| 06:40.13 | simonrvn | ph00: he said it, NZ |
| 06:40.16 | karsten | ph00: A/k/a Middle Earth. |
| 06:40.18 | Guerin | karsten: telecom, the formerly-government-owned monopoly |
| 06:40.28 | predder | liable, i'm bringing one drive up first, then the other later. After reading more I think the problem is with my initrd that I made, i'll re-create that inside the chroot environment |
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| 06:40.38 | simonrvn | Guerin: eew, privatised |
| 06:40.40 | karsten | Guerin: So, the AU government monopoly is better than the homebrew? |
| 06:40.54 | Guerin | who sell services to other telecomms at the same rates they sell to the public, thereby making competition untenable |
| 06:41.03 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 06:41.08 | liable | predder: ok |
| 06:41.16 | Guerin | karsten: they somehow manage to provide a better service for marginally less money |
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| 06:42.49 | ph00 | I guess it's like that when there's not enough competition: we have ONE company that has somethin (somewhat) faster than adsl and we have to take their mafia.like prices and conditions (Italy) |
| 06:43.12 | simonrvn | i hear it's bad in .it too |
| 06:45.02 | Sonic^Work | Is there any GUI for ffmpeg in Debian Sarge distribution? "apt-cache search ffmpeg gui" gives nothing |
| 06:45.49 | ph00 | the *best* you get here is is a lousy 10Mb/sec fiber for 67 euros a month including *mandatory* telphone land line, and the connection is behind NAT (and thy charge extra to let you get incoming connections: 4 fkg euros a DAY!) |
| 06:45.57 | Wood1 | What's the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:46.04 | Guerin | ph00: cry me a fucking river. |
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| 06:46.46 | fireba11 | Wood1: dist-upgrade may upgrade major versions and thus could break your config |
| 06:47.01 | ph00 | yup |
| 06:47.01 | ph00 | very bad |
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| 06:47.30 | sep | Wood1, dist-upgrade will also pull inn additional dependencies, if needed. |
| 06:47.45 | Wood1 | So which should I use then ? |
| 06:47.54 | Wood1 | apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 06:48.01 | g333k | Hi, whats the differente between the kernels 386 and 686 ? |
| 06:48.12 | ph00 | no competition on cables, ONE company makes all the prices and the conditions, just like the mob. it's somewhat better if you take adsl, but for me fiber is slow, adsl would be like crawling |
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| 06:48.39 | eggzeck | Sonic^Work: I'm not sure if there's a GUI, but when using 'apt-cache search', searching for 'ffmpeg gui' (as a pattern) is incorrect. Try: apt-cache search ffmpeg.*(gui)? |
| 06:48.42 | karsten | simonrvn: Not sure how the business competition is, but both Tiscali and TIN are absolutely notorious spamhavens. |
| 06:48.54 | karsten | g333k: 300. |
| 06:48.58 | ph00 | apt-get upgrade won't *really* upgrade |
| 06:49.08 | g333k | karsten, :p |
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| 06:49.34 | karsten | g333k: One is optimized for bog-standard i386 architecture (not even Pentium optimizations), the other has PPro/PII/PIII optimizations. |
| 06:49.40 | g333k | If I'm planning to do a firewall using a P1 133Mhz 32M RAM, what kernel do you recommend me? 2.6 or 2.4 ? |
| 06:49.55 | Wood1 | Also what's the difference in 386, 486 and 686 ? |
| 06:49.55 | karsten | g333k: You'll see improved performance for some high-cpu stuff, notably SSL cod.e |
| 06:50.13 | karsten | g333k: 2.6 586 optimized. |
| 06:50.14 | liable | Sonic^Work: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmffmpeg/ |
| 06:50.19 | sep | g333k, if you need any of the 2.6 features use 2.6 if you don't need any of the 2.6 features use 2.4 |
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| 06:50.50 | g333k | sep, I will use it just as a firewall and web server |
| 06:50.51 | karsten | sep: Why avoid 2.6 (other than the bog flakey releases and trying to sort out what kernels are solid or not)? |
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| 06:51.22 | karsten | g333k: For low loads you're not likely to see any differences. In a heavy production envrionment ... I'd probably upgrade the HW ;-) |
| 06:51.44 | karsten | g333k: That said, apparently Cornel University runs its mail on 50 MHz Sun Sparcstations. |
| 06:51.47 | g333k | karsten, so? |
| 06:52.03 | karsten | g333k: It Probably Doesn't Matter[tm]. |
| 06:52.11 | karsten | g333k: That said: I'd go with what I told you. |
| 06:52.25 | unstable | My mouse doesn't work. And X won't start. I did a dist-upgrade a few hours ago. And I believe it's udev. I can modprobe psmouse fine with no errors.(I'm using a trackpad with my laptop) The trackpad worked fine a few hours ago. AFter a reboot it doesn't work anymore. |
| 06:52.27 | g333k | karsten, I mean, finally I must use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:52.47 | karsten | g333k: Did I say "you must use a 2.6 kernel"? |
| 06:52.50 | sep | karsten, there are more upgrades to 2.6 then 2.4, and 2.4 is more predictable (since i have longer experience with it) |
| 06:52.51 | unstable | When I do /etc/init.d/gpm restart; it says /dev/input/mice no such device |
| 06:52.59 | karsten | sep: I'm with you there. |
| 06:53.01 | unstable | And X doesn't start either, probably because /dev/input/mice no such device |
| 06:53.07 | karsten | sep: How much has iptables changed since 2.4? |
| 06:53.16 | g333k | karsten, You said many things but not what I asked |
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| 06:53.29 | karsten | g333k: Either will run. |
| 06:53.34 | karsten | g333k: 2.6 may run faster. |
| 06:53.41 | karsten | g333k: 2.6 may offer additional features. |
| 06:53.44 | ph00 | guerin I guess it's more or less the same shit on both sides of the world (you should be the farest I can get from here) |
| 06:53.50 | ph00 | I did dist-upgrade and it wored... at the third try |
| 06:53.51 | karsten | g333k: It probably REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. |
| 06:53.54 | ph00 | worked |
| 06:53.59 | ph00 | dist-upgrade |
| 06:54.04 | ph00 | HEH |
| 06:54.06 | ph00 | rofl |
| 06:54.07 | g333k | karsten, 2.6 may run faster but the hardware matters? |
| 06:54.14 | ph00 | 386 is compatible with virtually *anything* including ancient P1 |
| 06:54.19 | karsten | Feh. |
| 06:54.22 | unstable | Should I just grab an older udev from snapshot.debian.net ? I don't really know much about udev. There might be a way to manually make psmouse work properly. not sure. But no errors when I load the module into the kernel. |
| 06:54.22 | ph00 | the competition problem is about high speed stuff, fiber and over= one company. there is enough competition on adls and dial-up |
| 06:54.33 | ph00 | 2.4 will do fine IMO |
| 06:55.21 | sep | unstable, modprobe mousedev, it should create /dev/input/mice |
| 06:55.25 | liable | unstable: modprobe mousedev? |
| 06:55.28 | liable | gah |
| 06:55.37 | unstable | !lose liable |
| 06:55.37 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 06:55.37 | jontec | :P So far so good, if nothing else I got ubuntu to begin installation. It still refuses to stop failing the detect hardware step, however. |
| 06:55.41 | liable | i am on a losing streak! |
| 06:55.45 | sep | unstable, and put mousedev in /etc/modules if you dont get it on boot. |
| 06:56.16 | liable | karsten: i need *all* the help i can get |
| 06:56.23 | karsten | liable: Get in line ;-) |
| 06:56.26 | unstable | sep: yea I did it once I saw mousedev worked. |
| 06:56.42 | liable | heh |
| 06:56.47 | unstable | sep: Should I file a bug with the bts about mousedev not loading? |
| 06:56.51 | g333k | Is avaiable a small X windows manager to install in my old P1? which one do you recommend me? |
| 06:56.57 | unstable | X didn't start so I haven't checked the bts to see if such a bug existed already |
| 06:57.12 | unstable | But when I did apt-get dist-upgrade a few hours ago, apt-listbugs showed a dosen+ bugs for udev |
| 06:57.22 | sep | karsten, im not sure if iptable have changed much, but conntrack + helpers and other matching targets probably have brand new and shining features in 2.6 if you need those.. use 2.6 |
| 06:57.23 | unstable | g333k: Use damn small linux. |
| 06:57.26 | unstable | !tell g333k about dsl |
| 06:57.29 | sep | i dont so i use 2.4 :) |
| 06:57.36 | g333k | unstable, I know it |
| 06:57.37 | unstable | g333k: dsl + dillo and you're set. |
| 06:57.39 | deadcat | digital subscriber line |
| 06:57.57 | unstable | g333k: That machine will run like a monster with dsl + dillo |
| 06:58.20 | g333k | unstable, I have sarge installed now.. I just want to add a x manager |
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| 06:58.27 | liable | i never tire of 'mash' for some inexplicable reason. |
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| 06:58.55 | g333k | unstable see: !dsl |
| 06:59.00 | g333k | !dsl |
| 06:59.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 06:59.13 | unstable | g333k: yes. damnsmalllinux.org |
| 06:59.20 | g333k | digital susbriber line? |
| 06:59.30 | unstable | g333k: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 fluxbox ? |
| 06:59.37 | karsten | sep: Well, it wasn't my question ... and question ... and question ... and question... |
| 06:59.47 | fireba11 | how can i feed the list deborphan outputs to apt-get remove ? |
| 06:59.49 | g333k | flukbox, let me see it, I hace 1G of hdd |
| 06:59.54 | g333k | have* |
| 06:59.56 | sep | g333k, i perfer leaf.sf.net over damnsmall. |
| 07:00.16 | karsten | fireba11: Might want to run awk over that to grab the right column. |
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| 07:00.42 | g333k | sep, I did a benchmark of many lightweight linux distros, so I know some of them |
| 07:00.47 | liable | doesnt deborphan have an option for that? |
| 07:00.58 | fireba11 | karsten: mind providing an example ? i'm not that used to pipe yet |
| 07:00.59 | sep | g333k, what was your conclusion |
| 07:01.11 | fireba11 | liable: didn't find one |
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| 07:01.21 | sep | dsl is 50MB i use 16MB flash card on my firewalls |
| 07:01.34 | Siddharta | hello evrybody |
| 07:01.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:01.35 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:01.35 | g333k | sep, Puppy Linux is the best if you have enough RAM (128M) to load the system to RAM and not mess you CD rom drive |
| 07:01.36 | liable | fireba11: i must be mistaken, been a while |
| 07:01.37 | karsten | fireba11: Actually, something like : aptitude remove $( deborphan | awk '{print $<columnnumber>}' ) |
| 07:01.41 | unstable | !greet Siddharta |
| 07:01.41 | dpkg | Hello, Siddharta |
| 07:01.58 | karsten | fireba11: Could you past a few lines of deborphan output, I don't have it installed. NOT IN CHANNEL. |
| 07:02.03 | karsten | !tell fireba11 about paster |
| 07:02.16 | sep | g333k, what makes puppy forward/filter packets better then the other tiny distros ? |
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| 07:02.38 | unstable | g333k: bigger network buffers in /etc/sysctl.conf? |
| 07:02.44 | Guerin | answer: puppies like to fetch and carry |
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| 07:02.53 | unstable | er sep rather |
| 07:03.02 | fireba11 | karsten: never mind, got it already :-) |
| 07:03.11 | g333k | sep, You can personalize your own Puppy adding/removing the pkgs that you want... besides has a good performance |
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| 07:03.46 | unstable | sep: ahh g333k is talking about pretty gui friendly lightweight GNU/Linux distros |
| 07:03.49 | unstable | heh |
| 07:03.56 | sep | wasnt we takling about firewalls? :) |
| 07:04.13 | g333k | unstable, yep |
| 07:04.18 | unstable | I thought he had a shitty machine(which he does?) and he wanted a good distro to run it. |
| 07:04.19 | g333k | sep, I was |
| 07:04.30 | unstable | I still say Damn Small Linux + dillo web browser is the best way to go |
| 07:04.32 | itchi | Hey, crazy guys, just discovered that 'qemu-launcher', coooool He thanks crazy guys :-p |
| 07:04.40 | sep | out of my ~30 machines only this workstation have X |
| 07:04.44 | unstable | Although DSL has a modified firefox. But that might be too slow |
| 07:04.59 | g333k | unstable, I have the "shitty machine" and sarge installed, now I want a lightweight X windows manager |
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| 07:05.10 | unstable | You can buy an emachine with 2.8 celeron processor headless box for like $150 now a days |
| 07:05.16 | karsten | fireba11: OK. |
| 07:05.17 | itchi | It's not long time that it's available in the Etch branch i think, someone know how long time that exist? |
| 07:05.26 | unstable | g333k: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 fluxbox |
| 07:05.35 | karsten | itchi: Wozzat? |
| 07:05.42 | liable | itchi: check the changelog |
| 07:05.59 | itchi | karsten: Yeah, it's my first cup of coffee, i hope you understand ;-) |
| 07:06.04 | fireba11 | karsten: apt-get remove $(deborphan) was enough |
| 07:06.10 | karsten | itchi: Eew! Who'd want to put a gui in front of a perfectly good commandline. |
| 07:06.12 | itchi | karsten: What's wozzat? |
| 07:06.25 | g333k | unstable, what about icewm, flwm ? |
| 07:06.44 | karsten | fireba11: OK, Wasn't sure if it just listed package names. awk is good at stripping a single (or subset of) column(s) from multi-column output. |
| 07:06.51 | karsten | itchi: wozzat == what's that |
| 07:06.56 | itchi | karsten: Bwa, just that i discover that right now ;-) Yeah i love the cli :-) But i can sugest now that GUI and tell there are an GUI :-) |
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| 07:08.18 | itchi | Oeg, sinds 11 Nov 2005 11:29:00, but never saw that before, oeps |
| 07:08.52 | unstable | java is going to be open sourced in october |
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| 07:10.56 | karsten | unstable: Sun's got interesting ideas as to what open source means. |
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| 07:11.38 | unstable | karsten: You think java will not be in debian main in the next few years? |
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| 07:13.27 | bonez39 | how do i find out the name of printer SHARES on my box? |
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| 07:13.46 | itchi | Cool you see the command line options when you start that, will be nice for next 'future' users |
| 07:14.04 | jzx | hyyy |
| 07:14.26 | olij | HELLO! |
| 07:14.50 | itchi | olij: Also on the first cup of coffee? |
| 07:14.58 | olij | Google for "best operating system" and Volià! |
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| 07:15.02 | jzx | hyyy |
| 07:15.07 | karsten | unstable: nI'm not holding my breath. |
| 07:15.16 | olij | itchi: Yes~ |
| 07:15.25 | cat | olij: ?? |
| 07:15.45 | olij | Debian is first hit for "best operating system"! I just noticed,,,,. |
| 07:16.09 | cat | nice |
| 07:16.44 | itchi | it's normal :-p im already convicend :-) |
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| 07:19.16 | Dwonis | olij: what site shows up? |
| 07:19.28 | Dwonis | olij: I get www.itreviews.co.uk/guide/sguide2.htm |
| 07:20.07 | karsten | Dwonis: Here too. |
| 07:20.18 | itchi | Yeah, google not show the same result here, Debian is not as first :-/ But Google need to sleep a bit :-) |
| 07:20.28 | unstable | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=best+operating+system&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial |
| 07:20.41 | unstable | Maybe he's using google.co.uk or some other one |
| 07:21.28 | unstable | I bet that is an easy page rank to steal. |
| 07:21.35 | itchi | hey, still the same result, oerg, need already to get my second cup?? |
| 07:22.53 | Dwonis | itchi: You sure you didn't just unconsciously type "Debian" instead? |
| 07:22.55 | unstable | Just make a good debian article on wiki.debian.org and title it "Best Operating System" and say "Best Operating System" a few times in the article. Post it to digg, if it's popular you're set. You'll have #1 page rank I bet |
| 07:23.10 | unstable | lol Dwonis |
| 07:23.12 | itchi | wait screenshot in proggres |
| 07:23.59 | unstable | best operating system site:debian.org |
| 07:24.07 | unstable | That search gives you --> http://www.debian.org |
| 07:24.08 | unstable | heh |
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| 07:25.22 | donopan | anyone in here use thp-0.4.6 ? (Tiny Honey Pot) |
| 07:25.31 | karsten | unstable: Schwing! |
| 07:25.40 | itchi | Here we go http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/google_search.jpg |
| 07:26.03 | itchi | Have you the same search results? |
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| 07:26.30 | row | anyone here use mysql workbench on a debian system? |
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| 07:28.26 | itchi | ... and? I'm a bit confused of not to have the same search results |
| 07:28.31 | Dwonis | itchi: for the top 4 results, it looks the same, then it deviates (the "What is the best operating system and why" comes before "Operating Systems - Network World" for me) |
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| 07:29.01 | itchi | Dwonis: Strange not? |
| 07:29.45 | itchi | arg, the second cup is here faster that i was expected ;-) |
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| 07:30.29 | Dwonis | itchi: it doesn't surprise me that Google's results change. If I were Google, I'd probably have a large worldwide cluster of search machines, and replicate the results to them eventually. |
| 07:30.41 | Dwonis | itchi: So subtle differences are bound to happen |
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| 07:31.24 | itchi | Dwonis: Yup, need to update the stuff there, like it's becaume realy big these days |
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| 07:32.09 | itchi | bwa, gona retry that search in an day or 2. if i not forget. Then make an screenshot of it for the archieves :-) |
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| 07:33.21 | Dwonis | I wonder if olij was just trolling... Does anybody here know him? |
| 07:33.24 | g333k | waaaaaaaaa I need a faster cpu, my 133mhz are taking too much just to install fluxbox :p |
| 07:33.31 | appelza___ | Mooooo |
| 07:34.11 | itchi | g333k: hehe |
| 07:34.29 | itchi | g333k: Upgrade to an 166?? Is many faster :-p |
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| 07:34.42 | RalleAb | does any of your guys know anything about powernowd? when I say: sudo powernowd -l 10 It thinks that I am saying powernowd -h So I cant set anything |
| 07:34.43 | Dwonis | g333k: oh, I remember that. dpkg ate up a joyous amount of memory on a P133, back around the time of slink. I can't imagine how long it would take on sarge or etch |
| 07:35.12 | Wood1 | My debian server keeps rebooting every 10 minutes |
| 07:35.13 | Dwonis | g333k: You can gain a little performance, I think, by running "dpkg --clear-avail" before running apt. |
| 07:35.19 | Wood1 | Can somebody tell me what's going on ? |
| 07:35.29 | Dwonis | Wood1: Does it reboot sooner if you run cpuburn? |
| 07:35.49 | Wood1 | I don't have cpubrun |
| 07:35.53 | Wood1 | *cpuburn |
| 07:36.21 | Dwonis | Wood1: cpuburn is designed specifically to head up your processor, so if it's an overheating issue, it'll make a difference. |
| 07:36.40 | Dwonis | Wood1: Or does it go through the shutdown process and everything? |
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| 07:36.52 | g333k | Dwonis, thanks |
| 07:36.57 | liable | RalleAb: unless you have a real need for powernowd, i would just use one of the governors that dont need a daemon |
| 07:37.15 | Wood1 | It's goes the shutdown process |
| 07:37.23 | g333k | Dwonis, I installed woody ones in a 486 66Mhz, it took like 11hours just to install vim |
| 07:37.31 | RalleAb | liable: its because my idle cpu use is at 600 mhz I want to put it down at around half of that |
| 07:37.33 | Dwonis | g333k: I believe it |
| 07:37.42 | liable | RalleAb: ok |
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| 07:38.02 | RalleAb | but I heard so much good about powernowd |
| 07:38.06 | Dwonis | g333k: To be fair, a P133 with 80 MiB of RAM is MUCH quicker than with, say, 16-24 MiB. |
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| 07:38.41 | Dwonis | g333k: The problem is that dpkg loads the entire list---of all the packages you have installed on your system---into RAM before doing anything. |
| 07:38.46 | itchi | g333k: Hey, my 133 with 32MB RAM have realy not take an crazy time to install flux |
| 07:39.08 | Dwonis | g333k: If you purge a bunch of packages, I think it'll also get faster, though I'm not sure if you'd want to do that. |
| 07:39.31 | g333k | itchi, I think it is taking 45minutes.... it is about to finish |
| 07:39.44 | itchi | g333k: oela :-/ |
| 07:39.49 | Dwonis | g333k: Personally, I'd stick the hard drive in a faster machine, install all the stuff I want to install, and then put it back... but that requires faster machines to do that with. |
| 07:39.52 | g333k | Dwonis, The option that you gave me does that? |
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| 07:40.17 | Wood1 | Sorry I notice that the debian server reboots automtically |
| 07:40.29 | SpeedyG | it does? |
| 07:40.29 | Wood1 | without going through the shutdown process |
| 07:40.36 | RalleAb | so liable what do I do? |
| 07:40.40 | Dwonis | g333k: I clears /var/lib/dpkg/available (which can be regenerated, and I think it's used by dselect). I'm not sure whether aptitude uses it. |
| 07:40.46 | itchi | g333k: I did an base install, and bit by bit installed what i had need, maybe that? |
| 07:40.54 | Dwonis | g333k: It's just a trick I remember reading about somewhere, back when I had a similarly slow computer. |
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| 07:40.58 | itchi | g333k: I'm realy not an expert, just an Debian lover |
| 07:41.13 | J-_ | how can i reference upon building a printer driver for my lexmark x2330 all in one? |
| 07:41.51 | predder | liable, fixed the mdadm "invalid uuid on superblock" problem. My initial ramdisk didn't have all the required md modules. Thanks for your help. |
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| 07:42.21 | liable | predder: sweet |
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| 07:42.58 | PPP | Where i can set up routes and keep them after reboot? |
| 07:43.08 | TiMiDo | ?? |
| 07:43.22 | Dwonis | PPP: /etc/network/interfaces, probably. Read "man 5 interfaces" |
| 07:43.39 | liable | phew, i almost lost again! |
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| 07:43.49 | Dwonis | heh. ramdisks are fun to get right when you're not using d-i |
| 07:43.54 | RalleAb | how should I decrease the lower CPU limit from 600 mhz to less? |
| 07:44.25 | Dwonis | RalleAb: Trade with g333k |
| 07:44.29 | J-_ | how can i reference upon building a printer driver for my lexmark x2330 all in one? |
| 07:44.34 | RalleAb | g33k lets trade |
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| 07:45.27 | PPP | Dwonis, I can not find useful info here... I think interfaces just for ethernet configuation, and it"s not for routes |
| 07:45.40 | PPP | ohhh sorry |
| 07:45.47 | Dwonis | PPP: But you can put arbitrary commands into interfaces |
| 07:45.54 | Dwonis | PPP: like "up ip -4 route add ..." |
| 07:45.57 | J-_ | is there a driver for a x2330 lexmark all in one printer that i can use? |
| 07:46.11 | PPP | Dwonis, thx I am goint to try |
| 07:46.15 | liable | J-_: linuxprinting.org is your friend |
| 07:46.41 | g333k | What option should I choose to pick a Serial Mouse? /dev/input/mice? |
| 07:46.48 | J-_ | liable: been there, done that, they offer the 2030 driver, and it doesn't work. |
| 07:46.50 | Dwonis | Debian's interfaces(5) beats Fedora's networking scripts hands-down. |
| 07:46.51 | streuner | J-_: usually most of them are in debian, but use linuxprinting.org to find out |
| 07:47.15 | liable | J-_: then you may be out of luck :( |
| 07:47.27 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 07:47.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 07:47.31 | Dwonis | g333k: ugh, I feel your pain. I'm not sure if there's a kernel driver to map a serial mouse to /dev/input/mice. You might just have to use /dev/ttyS0 or whatever |
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| 07:47.55 | Dwonis | g333k: I stand corrected |
| 07:47.58 | Dwonis | g333k: modprobe sermouse |
| 07:48.03 | Dwonis | g333k: so yeah |
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| 07:48.27 | RalleAb | g33k I am the 2nd in the line |
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| 07:48.30 | streuner | J-_: what kind of printer is that? |
| 07:48.32 | Dwonis | g333k: you can always spend a day doing dpkg-reconfigure, if you already entered the wrong thing ;) |
| 07:48.41 | J-_ | x2330 lexmark all in one |
| 07:49.08 | streuner | uh |
| 07:49.18 | streuner | those all-in-one are nasty :-) |
| 07:49.26 | J-_ | yeah |
| 07:49.34 | itchi | hey crazy guys, my MicroShit doesn't work anymore :-) Time to get that partition back :-) |
| 07:49.41 | liable | brothers at least have drivers |
| 07:49.48 | g333k | Dwonis, yep |
| 07:49.54 | Dwonis | streuner: H.P.'s LaserJet 3015 (which is an all-in-one) seem work work well, at least as a printer and a scanner. |
| 07:50.05 | Dwonis | streuner: s/work work/to work/ |
| 07:50.06 | J-_ | hmm |
| 07:50.27 | itchi | arg, to tell after have get there Yet Another Virus, it will not more boot :-) |
| 07:50.31 | streuner | Dwonis: yes, not in general, but some works ;-) |
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| 07:50.46 | J-_ | could i potentially use a "hp" driver for my lexmark printer? lol |
| 07:50.58 | Dwonis | streuner: true. I didn't mean to correct you so much as I meant to add to what you were saying |
| 07:51.35 | streuner | no |
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| 07:52.10 | itchi | I have an dualboot on this computer, i no more use that other crap, so i can easy format that NTFS partition without that my MBR are affected? |
| 07:52.15 | Dwonis | J-_: sure, if you want to write an HP<->Lexmark protocol translator |
| 07:52.28 | liable | J-_: learn the mantra, 'google for linux drivers before you buy any hardware' :) |
| 07:52.30 | g333k | Yep I have a HP 2175 All-in-one, working perfectly, it prints and scans... also I can see the panel on My PC,, there are HP tools too |
| 07:52.44 | Dwonis | itchi: "that other crap"... FreeBSD? |
| 07:52.57 | itchi | Dwonis: Eeuhm Microsoft XP :-/ |
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| 07:53.15 | itchi | Dwonis: Attention, it's the Pro edition, is not the same ;-) |
| 07:53.36 | KlemenS | hi, can somebody tell me how does yum work on debian? yum is for .rpm packets but debian use .deb? |
| 07:54.15 | J-_ | HEH, you could conver the rpm to deb, good luck =\ |
| 07:54.16 | Dwonis | itchi: AFAIK, Microsoft's bootloader expects there to be a filesystem there (to read boot.ini or whatever it's called), so you might need a new MBR as well |
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| 07:54.35 | g333k | Dwonis, modprobe sermouse, doesnt exists |
| 07:54.59 | Dwonis | g333k: It might be a new thing. I'm running 2.6.17-1-686 |
| 07:55.03 | phorce1 | itchi: yes, you can format it without messing up your boot if you were using grub or lilo for booting. If you were using the NTLoader I have no idea. |
| 07:55.17 | g333k | Dwonis, so pick the tty0 I think |
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| 07:55.32 | Dwonis | itchi: Have a rescue disc on hand :) |
| 07:55.36 | TiMiDo | /bin/sh: ./jre-1_5_0_08-linux-i586.bin: Permission denied how can i give permission isn't it chmod a=x /bin/sh: ./jre-1_5_0_08-linux-i586.bin |
| 07:55.51 | Dwonis | g333k: yes, but ttyS0, not tty0. They both exist, but they're different things |
| 07:56.02 | liable | TiMiDo: /msg dpkg install java |
| 07:56.07 | J-_ | KlemenS: alien -d <filename> to convert rpm to deb, it's a rough go though, as i've heard. |
| 07:56.08 | itchi | phorce1: I have the grub loader, and a when i selected the Crap os in the list, he then run that NTLoader thing. |
| 07:56.10 | TiMiDo | i ready did |
| 07:56.27 | ph00 | !dsl |
| 07:56.28 | dpkg | it has been said that dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ |
| 07:56.38 | phorce1 | itchi: If you were using NTLoader make a rescue CD and then install grub in the mbr -- use rescue cd if you "oops" |
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| 07:56.52 | KlemenS | J-_: than if u use yum u need to make from rpm to deb? |
| 07:56.53 | liable | ph00: stop pimping dsl |
| 07:57.05 | phorce1 | itchi: you should be fine to format then |
| 07:57.08 | liable | KlemenS: why do you want to use yum? |
| 07:57.14 | Wood1 | Does anybody here use pppoe |
| 07:57.24 | TiMiDo | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ contrib non-free unstable main |
| 07:57.26 | itchi | Euhm just choose of my rescue cd, so many choice :-) |
| 07:57.26 | TiMiDo | is this right |
| 07:57.28 | g333k | Dwonis, trryin |
| 07:57.30 | Dwonis | TiMiDo: If you're trying to execute jre-1_5_0_08-linux-i586.bin, read the factoid again. You don't use the Sun installer on Debian. |
| 07:57.30 | KlemenS | liable: i just want to test something :) |
| 07:57.32 | TiMiDo | because when i update it it gives me error |
| 07:58.00 | Wood1 | Has anybody here setup a Debian PPPoE Server ever ? |
| 07:58.09 | phorce1 | itchi: use fdisk to change the partition type from NTFS to linux then reboot and format with ext3 (or whatever) |
| 07:58.11 | itchi | ... and need to read a bit more about Grub, like i had never need to reinstall that. |
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| 07:58.23 | liable | TiMiDo: paste the errors to a psatebot |
| 07:58.24 | g333k | Dwonis, bad luck :( |
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| 07:58.48 | phorce1 | itchi: shouldn't need to reinstall grub if it's already in the MBR and is the first thing that comes up now |
| 07:59.09 | Wood1 | So can Debian be made a PPPoE server too ? |
| 07:59.19 | itchi | phorce1: So just need to format it then |
| 07:59.31 | liable | TiMiDo: paste the errors to a psatebot |
| 07:59.44 | TiMiDo | liable: i just want some non-free mirrors |
| 08:00.08 | Dwonis | Wood1: probably, since ppp isn't client-server, but I don't know how simple it is to configure. |
| 08:00.23 | liable | TiMiDo: um, you need to put 'contrib non-free' after main, not before unstable... |
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| 08:00.37 | phorce1 | itchi: yes. And edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to remove the section that shows the Windows boot stuff |
| 08:00.43 | Dwonis | Wood1: If you have a choice, don't use PPPoE. It breaks things. |
| 08:00.52 | rvalles_ | configure: WARNING: You don\'t have S/Key libraries |
| 08:00.56 | rvalles_ | where do I get those? |
| 08:00.59 | itchi | phorce1: No gona point it to an blue screen picture :-) |
| 08:01.08 | phorce1 | itchi: (always good to have a rescue CD anyway though <grin> |
| 08:01.23 | itchi | phorce1: Yeah, i have an buch here of it :-) |
| 08:01.39 | Dwonis | rvalles_: S/Key support for *what*? |
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| 08:02.13 | itchi | phorce1: I have never find so many nice stuff as in this world man, and gooood stuff and that for free, in the spirit :-0 |
| 08:02.38 | Dwonis | rvalles_: If you run "apt-cache search one time password", you'll get a bunch of packages with OTP support, and IIRC some of them (notably, OPIE) are backward-compatible with S/Key |
| 08:02.46 | itchi | Guys are gona to put my on the suck list :-p Does not matters ;-) |
| 08:03.25 | rvalles_ | Dwonis: I need the devel libs so that I can compile stuff with SKEY support |
| 08:03.37 | phorce1 | hey, is a full set of Etch binaries available with bittorrent like the Sarge CDs? I'd like to build a local mirror but I hate downloading that much stuff from one upsource machine at a time. I can average over 500Kb/sec using bittorrent. |
| 08:03.38 | rvalles_ | Dwonis: not just packages with S/KEY support. |
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| 08:04.01 | liable | ph00: dont believe so, yet |
| 08:04.05 | Dwonis | rvalles_: s/key is a protocol (and probably a trademark), not a library, as far as I know |
| 08:04.06 | liable | phorce1: ^^ |
| 08:04.33 | liable | phorce1: maybe from one of those linuxcd sites? |
| 08:04.42 | itchi | Thanks guys for your great help here ;-) |
| 08:05.19 | KlemenS | when im using aptget upgrade and i have packets that i dont want to upgrade, how to i keep them back ? |
| 08:05.38 | liable | KlemenS: /msg dpkg hold |
| 08:05.45 | phorce1 | liable: OK. For Sarge I used BT to grab the CD set then dumped all the .debs into an apt cache directory and used apt-move to build the mirror. Only problem so far is it didn't link the distro name (Sarge), I have to hit it using "stable" and I don't like doing that. |
| 08:05.54 | TiMiDo | liable: i've installed java from non-free but i cannot play the pool game in yahoo |
| 08:05.57 | liable | KlemenS: using aptitude is much simpler |
| 08:05.57 | rvalles_ | Dwonis: skey.h is what I am missing. |
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| 08:07.04 | Dwonis | rvalles_: According to http://packages.debian.org/, the only package that has an "skey.h" is postgresql-dev, but that's almost certainly *not* what you're looking for |
| 08:07.14 | liable | TiMiDo: you use firefox? check 'about:plugins' and make sure java plugins are enabled (should be if you did everything right) |
| 08:07.15 | Dwonis | rvalles_: It looks like whatever library you're looking for isn't packaged. |
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| 08:07.32 | TiMiDo | im using mozilla |
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| 08:07.53 | Dwonis | TiMiDo: mozilla has an about:plugins |
| 08:08.05 | rvalles_ | Dwonis: yup, was just looking at that :/ |
| 08:08.07 | TiMiDo | ? |
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| 08:08.37 | liable | TiMiDo: type it in the url bar |
| 08:09.34 | phorce1 | I'm all over the place with questions tonight. If there is a package that is a .deb only built for i386 and the source as a separate tarball what do I need to do to create a .deb for AMD64? Would it be easier to just compile and install the binary by hand into /usr/local/...? |
| 08:10.06 | TiMiDo | what do i type |
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| 08:11.09 | liable | phorce1: making a deb isnt so hard, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 08:11.43 | liable | TiMiDo: about:plugins... |
| 08:11.50 | liable | without the ...'s |
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| 08:12.55 | TiMiDo | liable: i cannot play the pool in yahoo |
| 08:12.59 | TiMiDo | it says i need the plugin |
| 08:13.01 | TiMiDo | i wonder why |
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| 08:15.44 | phorce1 | liable: and, apparently, weekly builds of an Etch DVD were available via BitTorrent but they're down right now while they are getting ready for a freeze and playing with the d-i |
| 08:15.47 | phorce1 | liable: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 08:15.51 | g333k | I'm trying to boot my P1 133Mhz with the 2.6.8-3-686 kernel, and The PC just resets after 5 seconds when is trying to boot, why? |
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| 08:16.24 | TiMiDo | liable: it says i need Java Runtime Environment |
| 08:16.29 | TiMiDo | any ideas on how i can download it? |
| 08:16.40 | SpeedyG | from java.sun.com |
| 08:16.40 | SpeedyG | ? |
| 08:16.47 | liable | TiMiDo: apt-cache search java |
| 08:16.48 | TiMiDo | is there any packages for debian |
| 08:16.51 | KlemenS | liable: yes i was using it by aptitud but, if i make cron for my server.. i need to some hold packets |
| 08:16.55 | TiMiDo | yuck there is a lot of packages |
| 08:16.56 | liable | SpeedyG: its in etch/sid |
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| 08:17.16 | liable | KlemenS: huh? that made no sense to me |
| 08:17.19 | SpeedyG | liable: oh :) |
| 08:17.31 | SpeedyG | sid is unstable right? |
| 08:17.41 | liable | yes |
| 08:17.43 | SpeedyG | i'm always confused by those names |
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| 08:19.21 | phorce1 | KlemenS: once you "hold" a package it doesn't "un-hold" automatically. You can upgrade as many times as you want and will never upgrade until you remove the hold manually. |
| 08:19.38 | ph00 | java.com |
| 08:19.51 | ph00 | download, do ./<package name> then follow the isntrucions on the java site (very detailed) |
| 08:19.52 | ooly | g333k: 686 kernels don't work with P1's. |
| 08:20.06 | phorce1 | KlemenS: so if you use dpkg to "hold" some packages you can set up a cron to apt-get upgrade |
| 08:20.07 | ph00 | sid=unstable etch=testing |
| 08:20.17 | liable | ph00: its in the repos... |
| 08:20.45 | liable | ph00: and thats not the best way to install the java package anyway |
| 08:20.48 | phorce1 | KlemenS: though why anyone would apt-get upgrade without being physically present is beyond me |
| 08:21.06 | g333k | ooly, Ohh thanks |
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| 08:23.43 | KlemenS | yes thats true, im just asking, and testing on some server :) |
| 08:23.45 | SpeedyG | ph00: and stable? |
| 08:24.30 | ph00 | sarge |
| 08:24.42 | ph00 | stable=sarge |
| 08:24.44 | phorce1 | SpeedyG: stable currently=Sarge |
| 08:24.47 | SpeedyG | oh ok :) |
| 08:25.15 | TiMiDo | how can u share files with another linux pc? |
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| 08:26.06 | SpeedyG | nfs or samba |
| 08:26.15 | SpeedyG | tho i'd rather use nfs than samba |
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| 08:26.49 | phorce1 | SpeedyG: I prefer using the actual distro names rather than stable/testing/unstable -- especially as a release gets near and they add "frozen". I don't want any mission critical machines to suddenly be apt-get updating from the wrong pool. |
| 08:27.31 | ph00 | nfs |
| 08:28.41 | phorce1 | Etch is pretty freaking cool with the new toys it has. Samba was painless for accessing the shares on my Winblows machines (so I could get the 30+Gig of MP3 files over here). And there's even a Remote-Desktop client that lets me connect to my Winblows-XP machines here and at work. |
| 08:30.24 | ph00 | btw what are the "right" repo sources to use? (etch) I copied the first three or four that google found for me and it is working |
| 08:30.37 | ph00 | but I may be using wrong packages here and there |
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| 08:33.01 | TiMiDo | [Press RETURN to try again, 'no' + RETURN to abort] no |
| 08:33.01 | TiMiDo | Abort installation of J2SDK documentation |
| 08:33.01 | TiMiDo | dpkg: error processing sun-java5-doc (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 08:33.04 | TiMiDo | Errors were encountered while processing: sun-java5-doc |
| 08:33.04 | TiMiDo | any ideas why? |
| 08:33.07 | TiMiDo | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 08:34.19 | apfel | Does there exists some hardware/software combination such that I can do some kind of "webcam-chat" (where the other host uses windows)? |
| 08:34.43 | TiMiDo | how can i fixed this |
| 08:35.02 | ph00 | how do I restore grub after reinstalling windoze? would grub-install (hd0) work like on ubuntu? |
| 08:35.46 | liable | ph00: with the sarge installer? no |
| 08:36.32 | TiMiDo | liable: how can i fixed that error |
| 08:36.34 | liable | ph00: the etch installer has a rescue option, and yes |
| 08:36.37 | liable | TiMiDo: no idea |
| 08:37.21 | ph00 | apfel I have the same problem: voice conversations on msn messenger. I couldn't find any solution but insatlling a striped-to-the-bone version of windoze for voice chatting only |
| 08:37.22 | TiMiDo | damn |
| 08:38.01 | ph00 | liable can I use the ubuntu CD? would that work? (I don't have any etch installer CD, only the first 2 sarge dvds) |
| 08:38.02 | liable | TiMiDo: the first thing you should check is the bts |
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| 08:38.33 | Hoxzer | YEAH, I finally got my shorewall work on my debian/HTPC |
| 08:38.34 | liable | ph00: yes |
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| 08:38.47 | ph00 | hm |
| 08:39.29 | ph00 | liable and what if it doesn't work? where 's the official howto for restoring grub? |
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| 08:39.58 | ph00 | OK I guess I can google that up, never mind... |
| 08:40.19 | liable | ph00: for sarge disk, http://liable.mine.nu/debian/grub-reinstall.html |
| 08:40.35 | ph00 | I'm on etch |
| 08:41.02 | ph00 | but OK I'll taake a look @ that thx |
| 08:41.10 | ph00 | take* |
| 08:41.41 | debi_newb | hi guys, ineed help dual booting debian and windows on an "nv sata raid array" someone know of an easy howt???? |
| 08:43.32 | ph00 | debi_nwd the trick is the right sequence: install windoze first and (any) linux last, that works almost every time @ the first try |
| 08:43.49 | ph00 | BUT |
| 08:44.00 | ph00 | I don't know squat about sata raid arrays |
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| 08:44.03 | ph00 | sorry |
| 08:45.32 | itchi | I search for an 'lightscribe' application to burn an picture on an CD. Is there already an app for that? Not yet find it |
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| 08:46.00 | TiMiDo | !amor |
| 08:46.00 | dpkg | i guess amor is love |
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| 08:47.02 | ph00 | amor Amusing Misuse Of Resorces (but it *is* amor in Latin, and in Spanish) |
| 08:47.25 | ph00 | it is Love in latin & spanish I mean |
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| 08:53.24 | itchi | It does not realy matters, i have get that option as bonus, and like we never know in the /good/ world. ;-) |
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| 08:54.26 | karambus | Hallo |
| 08:54.57 | Codemaster_ | hallo |
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| 09:02.10 | g333k | What option should I choose to pick a Serial Mouse? /dev/input/mice? |
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| 09:13.04 | liable | mmm, steak |
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| 09:23.04 | SlackRa1 | hmn, finally got sarge running on the laptop....if i update OOffice to the lastest, will it bork anything important? :P |
| 09:24.36 | Gnea | ooffice :) |
| 09:24.44 | Gnea | not likely |
| 09:25.28 | SlackRa1 | heh, seems to get bigger and more complicated with each release....last distro i upgraded it on, i had to finally completely remove the old one andstart again....cant live without OO tho... |
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| 09:25.47 | Gnea | yeah |
| 09:25.54 | Gnea | the helpfiles take up a bit of room too |
| 09:26.07 | Gnea | i guess that's why they're optional ;) |
| 09:26.09 | SlackRa1 | i just apt get remove it, then and get the latest deb release for it |
| 09:26.37 | Gnea | well as long as it's backported, it shouldn't be an issue |
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| 09:27.28 | SlackRa1 | cool, thanks |
| 09:28.29 | SlackRa1 | hmn, brb |
| 09:28.38 | Lounis | hi, Eterm was removed from debian testing because a problem of license : there is a "cannot be sold for profit" in some source file. is it possible to include Eterm in non-free? |
| 09:29.02 | cat | Lounis: i have eterrm |
| 09:29.05 | cat | *eterm |
| 09:29.14 | Lounis | in testing? |
| 09:29.53 | cat | in unstable |
| 09:29.58 | Lounis | the problem is here : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359707 |
| 09:30.26 | Lounis | Eterm is in unstable but not in testing, Eterm will not be in Etech |
| 09:30.39 | Lounis | *Etch |
| 09:30.48 | Ronin | eterm wont be in etch? ohoh |
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| 09:31.22 | Lounis | sorry for my bad english |
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| 09:32.35 | Ronin | well unless that gets sorted out guess i wont be doing any updates for a long time when etch goes stable |
| 09:32.42 | liable | looks like the mainatiner is awol |
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| 09:33.01 | Gnea | !eterm |
| 09:33.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, eterm is at http://www.eterm.org/ or better than wterm or bloated as hell. A guide to customizing Eterm can be found at http://q3test.2y.net/~moyix/etweak.html (shameless plug). evil term, or not going to be in Etch, due to compounded licensing issues, http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/03/msg00572.html and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=359707 |
| 09:33.35 | majors | oi |
| 09:33.42 | Ronin | good grief |
| 09:33.50 | Gnea | that blows, i love eterm |
| 09:33.55 | Ronin | Gnea: indeed |
| 09:34.13 | majors | my too i love you |
| 09:34.14 | Gnea | i'm gonna have to bitch at kainx now :P |
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| 09:34.37 | Lounis | so is it possible to include Eterml in non-free with a "cannot be sold for profit" |
| 09:34.39 | majors | hi |
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| 09:34.51 | Gnea | Lounis: ask the legal department |
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| 09:36.02 | majors | hi for all pleope |
| 09:36.16 | Gnea | what's a pleope? |
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| 09:36.42 | majors | my and u |
| 09:36.50 | Gnea | your what? |
| 09:37.06 | Gnea | majors: i'm guessing that english is not your first language |
| 09:37.33 | Gnea | it should be "me and you" |
| 09:38.00 | Gnea | 'my' is possessive, ie. "my debian system rocks!!" |
| 09:38.06 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 09:38.43 | majors | sim madanne i speak portugues |
| 09:38.51 | Gnea | ah |
| 09:39.36 | majors | u speak portugues |
| 09:39.43 | Gnea | no. |
| 09:40.05 | Gnea | !br |
| 09:40.05 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:40.22 | majors | where from |
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| 09:40.39 | Gnea | usa |
| 09:41.15 | majors | my im from mozambique |
| 09:41.53 | Gnea | oh wow, you're on the edge of the conflict |
| 09:42.12 | majors | pk eh k eu posso falar em portugues meu? |
| 09:42.28 | Gnea | majors: /join #debian-br |
| 09:42.36 | Gnea | we only speak english in this channel |
| 09:42.38 | majors | ok |
| 09:42.46 | Lounis | is there a channel for the legal department? |
| 09:43.01 | Gnea | Lounis: not sure... there's definately a mailing list |
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| 09:43.39 | Lounis | hum.. |
| 09:43.56 | majors | how old u gnea? |
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| 09:44.30 | Ronin | majors: do you have a debian related question? |
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| 09:46.04 | kwa29 | hy all |
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| 09:46.22 | kwa29 | i have a problem to install oo2 on debian sarge |
| 09:46.31 | kwa29 | anyone can help me ? |
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| 09:46.42 | Gnea | not if you don't explain the problem in detail |
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| 09:46.52 | streuner | kwa29: did you read instructions at bpo? |
| 09:46.57 | kwa29 | yes |
| 09:47.06 | Fear_Moth | I'm trying to install Kubuntu Dapper, Ubuntu Dapper and/or Yellow Dog on my iMac g3, and when I boot from the cd with "live" or "liveppc" it runs through loading up with the kubuntu logo, and then after a while it stops with "restarting system logger [fail]" or something along those lines and freezes.. anyone know why it does this? |
| 09:47.07 | kwa29 | and the oo package on blackport have a bug |
| 09:47.23 | streuner | Fear_Moth: #(k)ubuntu |
| 09:47.27 | kwa29 | if i take the testing package |
| 09:47.32 | cat | Fear_Moth: this is debian |
| 09:47.46 | kwa29 | i don't crash my server |
| 09:47.47 | kwa29 | ? |
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| 09:48.04 | kwa29 | a mixin testing and stable |
| 09:48.07 | Fear_Moth | streuner/cat: I know, but it's happening with whatever distro I try so I figured maybe someone in one of these channels would know. |
| 09:48.16 | Fear_Moth | expected that response though |
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| 09:48.35 | SlammerXP | Fear_Moth: is "get a real computer" an expected response also? :) |
| 09:48.36 | Ronin | Fear_Moth: well seeing your not installing debian what do you think we'd say? |
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| 09:48.50 | Fear_Moth | hmm... cocksuckers use debian? |
| 09:48.56 | Fear_Moth | :) |
| 09:49.07 | Gnea | how to get yourself banned in 3 easy steps. |
| 09:49.12 | Ronin | ahh trolling season i see |
| 09:49.12 | Fear_Moth | oh, and debian has given me that response too |
| 09:49.48 | streuner | if you want get help, insulting people wasn't a clever way... |
| 09:49.49 | Fear_Moth | just wondering if anyone has had the same problem.. guess not ? |
| 09:49.56 | pinky | Where is the file that has the log of all the lines of text at boot? |
| 09:49.56 | Fear_Moth | streuner: :) |
| 09:49.58 | Gnea | Fear_Moth: i have the answer you're looking for, but unfortunately you obviously don't need it. |
| 09:50.00 | Ronin | Fear_Moth: no, we're running debian it works great |
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| 09:50.11 | Fear_Moth | Ronin: on ppc? |
| 09:51.35 | Fear_Moth | well guess nobody can help me.. anyone want to talk about cats? |
| 09:52.01 | streuner | go away |
| 09:52.06 | Fear_Moth | :) |
| 09:52.08 | Fear_Moth | yay! |
| 09:52.09 | Gnea | getting colder... |
| 09:52.19 | Fear_Moth | thanks for the help guys! |
| 09:52.45 | Gnea | !imac |
| 09:52.46 | dpkg | methinks imac is a... err...err *puh* i just know that there exists a Vibrator called iMac, or the name of hair removal cream in .uk, or http://debian-imac.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 09:54.17 | itchi | Hey, how can i do an search on the irc with that /list command? I try '/list #*debian*' but that does not work, im in irssi |
| 09:54.31 | Fear_Moth | all i was wondering if anyone else has had this problem with any distros and ppc, or if it might be a memory or other hardware problem that's causing hte error |
| 09:54.39 | itchi | I want debian related channels |
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| 09:56.34 | itchi | That /squery is an unknow command here. Or maybe know you the right place for these questions? |
| 09:56.40 | Tallu | Fear_Moth: you could try ##linux if you want a distro-free opinion.. not ask about ubuntu on other distro channels |
| 09:56.53 | JovAnie | hi , i have hostname bend.exorcist.com how to make alias for NTP server to be ntp.exorcist.com |
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| 09:57.35 | Tallu | JovAnie: do you have access to the dns records for the exorcist.com or just bend.exorcist.com? |
| 09:57.36 | Fear_Moth | Tallu: is ubuntu based on debian? |
| 09:57.44 | Tallu | !based on debian |
| 09:57.44 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:57.56 | Ronin | although you may want to hold off on insulting folks if you actually want help |
| 09:58.06 | Fear_Moth | hm. |
| 09:58.09 | Fear_Moth | #cold-response |
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| 09:58.43 | JovAnie | Tallu i have root on server |
| 09:58.48 | JovAnie | so i have accesss to dns config |
| 09:59.38 | JovAnie | and :) |
| 10:00.19 | Tallu | JovAnie: so you own exorcist.com? Then add a cname for ntp |
| 10:00.48 | Fear_Moth | well, I get the response "get a real computer" .. from slammerXP wasn't too kind.. it's just a $20 computer i'm trying to set up. I also tried the debian net install cd and got the same error, does that validate my question in here? |
| 10:01.44 | petemc | no |
| 10:01.47 | Tallu | Fear_Moth: no, since you're not trying to install debian anymore. atleast, not from my point of view. why dont you just bug the people in ubuntu |
| 10:01.56 | Fear_Moth | jesus christ |
| 10:02.13 | Tallu | Fear_Moth: you have no idea how many people come here with different distros saying they also failed at installing debian so we should help them |
| 10:02.29 | Fear_Moth | I'm sorry |
| 10:02.35 | SlammerXP | dear friends, let us pray for the soul of Fear_Moth who shall shortly be departing this happy channel to lands beyond the +b |
| 10:02.44 | Ronin | and im sure you put off the rest by insulting them |
| 10:03.08 | Fear_Moth | well, got a few new people to hunt down for my people to kill list |
| 10:03.16 | Fear_Moth | :) |
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| 10:03.28 | Fear_Moth | people aren't too jolly here in #debian at 3am |
| 10:03.38 | petemc | its 11am |
| 10:03.47 | Fear_Moth | 3am here.. |
| 10:03.51 | Coweater | its 5am! |
| 10:03.53 | Tallu | Fear_Moth: people to kill? for not helping you? Wow.. |
| 10:03.59 | Fear_Moth | :( |
| 10:04.06 | Fear_Moth | i'm a depressed man |
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| 10:05.15 | quad3datwork2 | oh nos! my stock of ramens is depleted! |
| 10:05.33 | Fear_Moth | see, everyone in here is depressed! |
| 10:05.59 | cydork | Fear_Moth, install debian again and then comeback, we might be able to help you then :) |
| 10:06.07 | PumpkinPie | how do I send CRL+C ? or how to I tpye that to a program instead of typing it? |
| 10:06.39 | SlammerXP | PumpkinPie: use "kill" to send it a signal. -HUP for example. |
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| 10:08.10 | cydork | PumpkinPie, man signal |
| 10:08.12 | Fear_Moth | cydork: well thanks for the kindest response i've had in here so far, I keep trying, and I keep getting the "exception in kernel mode, sig: 5" error. not just with debian, with everything. it won't even get past installing it. so it's not a debian specific question, but i just figured maybe someone in here might know what that error might be leaning towards so I can figure it out. |
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| 10:12.11 | liable | Fear_Moth: ask on the debian-ppc mailing list, but give actuall errors from the debian installer. once you work it out, you should be able to port the fix to others |
| 10:12.25 | cydork | Fear_Moth, like i said we cant help unless you have debian on that machine and give more details of the problem. |
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| 10:14.21 | Tallu | Fear_Moth: http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ and also if you decide to try again with debian you might want to check out #debianppc on irc.debian.org.. or here. I dont know, just saw a reference to it, maybe someone else has had the similar problems. :) |
| 10:15.02 | PumpkinPie | cydork: I dont know how to use it |
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| 10:16.53 | PumpkinPie | how do I send a command to wget to quit? |
| 10:17.15 | itchi | wterm is that lighter than xterm? btw how can i check that x is lighter than y? |
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| 10:18.56 | Blackhold | hello |
| 10:19.20 | Blackhold | I know that I need to use screen to access to a console that is using an other user |
| 10:19.35 | Blackhold | but I only want to see what is doing the other user |
| 10:19.44 | cydork | PumpkinPie, man pkill |
| 10:19.47 | Blackhold | how I can use screen? |
| 10:20.06 | itchi | Blackhold: screen -x ? |
| 10:20.22 | Blackhold | and how I indicate what tty I want to enter |
| 10:20.29 | Blackhold | the user is entering remotely |
| 10:20.48 | itchi | Blackhold: xwatch who whowatch? |
| 10:20.56 | Fear_Moth | cydork, Tallu: thanks |
| 10:21.06 | liable | Blackhold: screen -r will tell you currently attached screen sessions |
| 10:21.32 | Blackhold | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:21.35 | liable | Blackhold: as long as there isnt a detached one, then it will stick you in that one :) |
| 10:21.39 | cydork | Blackhold, you cant do that with screen. |
| 10:21.44 | Fear_Moth | oh and liable thanks too :) |
| 10:21.46 | Blackhold | I'm pts/1 and would like to see what is pts/0 doing |
| 10:21.51 | Blackhold | but only see |
| 10:22.05 | itchi | Blackhold: oeps misunderstand, i had understand how can i see tty ... |
| 10:22.06 | Blackhold | so with what? |
| 10:22.08 | Tallu | Fear_Moth: you're welcome. sorry about not being too polite.. it's just that i for one have never even installed ubuntu and thus it annoys to see people try to come here for help thinking that we'll automatically know. hope to see you install debian later though. :) |
| 10:22.19 | itchi | These fonts are to less, need to read that wterm doc |
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| 10:22.41 | itchi | But wterm is that lighter than xterm? |
| 10:23.02 | cydork | Blackhold, it's possible with ttysnoop. but it requires some more configration in inittab AFAIK |
| 10:23.24 | PumpkinPie | cydork: im not trying to kill the process like that.. just exit like pressing crl + c |
| 10:23.25 | raavi | Hello, Problem in getting sound on Acer Aspire 1640z? |
| 10:24.07 | itchi | But wterm looks usefuller with that left scrollbar in an screen session, so that is already an good point. I not think is an huge thing that wterm. It's for on my old laptop with 128MB RAM |
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| 10:24.40 | raavi | Does anyone had success in getting sound on Acer Aspire 1640z? |
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| 10:25.32 | liable | !tell raavi about laptop |
| 10:25.41 | cydork | PumpkinPie, you can send sigint with kill or pkill |
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| 10:25.45 | liable | raavi: visit those sites dpkg just gave you |
| 10:26.18 | itchi | hhhmm, but that scrollbar give also some little troubles in an screen session |
| 10:26.18 | raavi | Its Acer Aspire 1640z, and what are all those sites... |
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| 10:26.58 | raavi | lsmod, lspci shows everything alright... |
| 10:27.28 | liable | raavi: check your ircv client for a query from dpkg |
| 10:27.29 | liable | irc |
| 10:28.09 | cydork | !tell raavi about alsa one-liner |
| 10:28.27 | vorsprun1 | hi, I have a probably off topic question. I want a linux distro that will start and boot from a CD and which includes tools for network analysis |
| 10:28.32 | itchi | Maybe im in the ignore list of everyone here right now? |
| 10:28.37 | cydork | raavi, try what dpkg messaged you. |
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| 10:29.19 | cydork | vorsprung, ever heard about knoppix? |
| 10:29.33 | BladeRunner05 | Hallo, I'm behind a proxy and I need to use wget, what I have to configure ? |
| 10:30.10 | vorsprung | cydork, yes- does it contain suitable tools like tcpdump though? I guess I need to ask on #knoppix :) |
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| 10:30.23 | cydork | vorsprung, AFAIK it does. |
| 10:30.51 | cydork | BladeRunner05, /msg dpkg http_proxy |
| 10:31.10 | vorsprung | cydork, thanks :) |
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| 10:31.59 | raavi | cydork, I have tried, but no use. |
| 10:32.19 | raavi | alsamixer, could not find the pcm and master volume levels. |
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| 10:32.55 | cydork | raavi, and what does alsaconf say? |
| 10:32.58 | javiolo | hi |
| 10:32.59 | javiolo | is there any site or email to report spam ? |
| 10:33.00 | tombo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:33.08 | JovAnie | how to make alias on my domain for example i have bank.bla.com and want to be alias on ntp.bla.com |
| 10:33.23 | raavi | alsaconf, told that all modules were loaded, and that is confirmed from lsmod |
| 10:33.54 | itchi | javiolo: In the header of the email normally there is an section with the abuse informations |
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| 10:34.24 | itchi | javiolo: Or to your ISP provider |
| 10:34.49 | raavi | cydork, I have seen this problem in some of the mailing list, but no solution provided... |
| 10:34.57 | raavi | I am running etch... |
| 10:35.11 | JovAnie | ahhh :) |
| 10:35.11 | cydork | raavi, which soundcard? |
| 10:35.36 | raavi | Its from RealTek |
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| 10:36.26 | raavi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.26 | javiolo | itchi I don?t see the abuse email |
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| 10:38.19 | JovAnie | ntp 14400 IN CNAME mail.015inter.net |
| 10:38.23 | itchi | javiolo: Yup, im also looking to it, with that of the Usenet mails, there it's been noted. Most time it's to an abuse@isp of the sender |
| 10:38.24 | JovAnie | is this correct sintay |
| 10:38.29 | JovAnie | syntax |
| 10:38.46 | JovAnie | i wnt alias ntp for mail.015inter.net |
| 10:38.56 | cydork | raavi, does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 10:39.00 | JovAnie | ntp 14400 IN CNAME mail.015inter.net |
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| 10:40.27 | javiolo | itchi heres what I see http://pastebin.ca/137369 |
| 10:40.29 | raavi | cydork, nope, cat: write error: Invalid argument |
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| 10:41.26 | cydork | raavi, invalid?? check the command you typed.. |
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| 10:42.02 | peterrus | ello |
| 10:42.47 | itchi | javiolo: Problem with most spammers is that these use complete false informations, like there, but not all header informations are visibile in the pastebin. But many changes that you not get the rights informations if it are smart spammers |
| 10:42.53 | murrayfoss | yello |
| 10:43.09 | raavi | cydork, what should I expect from that.. |
| 10:43.38 | PumpkinPie | what else is there to use besides wget or curl ? |
| 10:43.43 | Mitar | why this does not work: sed -e 's/\([^\n]\)\nFrom/\1\n\nFrom/g' < brokenmbox |
| 10:43.55 | peterrus | i have installed the complete debian base system and some other stuff, now i just need some help, i hace already installed x-windows-system-core and fluxbox, now i want to have a graphical display manager, i installed wdm, but when i do : wdm, i get the login screen, i login and then i get the login screen again, and again etc... what to do? |
| 10:44.12 | peterrus | PumpkinPie, not much i think |
| 10:44.13 | cydork | raavi, if the card has been configured you should hear some strange noises. |
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| 10:45.04 | itchi | javiolo: In your case i think the best solution is to report the trouble to your ISP, many changes that these are gona trash it, but give it an try we never know |
| 10:45.29 | liable | peterrus: try xdm, see if it does the same thing |
| 10:45.44 | peterrus | liable, is xdm avaiable in etch? because i cant find it... |
| 10:45.47 | raavi | cydork, the problem is I dont see pcm or master volume in alsamixer... |
| 10:46.05 | liable | peterrus: should be |
| 10:46.07 | peterrus | raavi, soundcard not right configured or detected |
| 10:46.15 | peterrus | liable, apt-get xdm gives and error |
| 10:46.18 | liable | !+info xdm etch |
| 10:46.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:46.26 | dpkg | xdm: (X display manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 162 kB, Installed size: 760 kB |
| 10:46.31 | itchi | peterrus: Is installed and actually make use of |
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| 10:46.41 | raavi | peterrus, everything is perfect according to lsmod and lspci |
| 10:46.53 | peterrus | itchi, i didnt have x installed, i did that manually |
| 10:47.05 | peterrus | raavi, well i dont know :/ it was a suggestion just in case :) |
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| 10:47.34 | liable | peterrus: what error? (dont paste here) |
| 10:47.37 | JovAnie | can someone lok at this gld script for errors ? http://pastebin.ca/137372 |
| 10:47.41 | peterrus | wait a min |
| 10:48.15 | JovAnie | its simply wont starrt with deb. |
| 10:48.44 | peterrus | liable, xdm is not available but is reffered to by another package. ... bla ... or is only available from another source |
| 10:48.54 | cydork | raavi, that's why i am interested the output of last command.. |
| 10:49.11 | raavi | cydork, I dont get anything... |
| 10:49.20 | JovAnie | cone someone look http://pastebin.ca/137372 :) |
| 10:49.24 | liable | peterrus: run apt-get update and try again |
| 10:49.31 | peterrus | liable, i did |
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| 10:49.45 | Boter | hello |
| 10:49.54 | Boter | kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 10:50.01 | Boter | when i try to compile new kernel |
| 10:50.03 | Boter | wtf? |
| 10:50.04 | peterrus | liable, my sources list contains the two binary cds and (1 and 2) and a src-deb and a deb repostiry, which was standard |
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| 10:50.23 | liable | peterrus: is the deb repository uncommented? |
| 10:50.25 | peterrus | Boter, make sure to compile the filesystem you use |
| 10:50.28 | peterrus | liable, nope |
| 10:50.31 | fireba11 | wtf ? i'm trying to run a file ... and bash tells me it's not existing .. |
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| 10:50.43 | Boter | peterrus i have ext2 everywhere |
| 10:50.46 | peterrus | its just two lines, and two other lines for the two cds |
| 10:50.56 | liable | peterrus: so its commented? or not? |
| 10:51.09 | peterrus | Boter, and that is compiled, marked with a * and not compiled as modules? |
| 10:51.13 | peterrus | liable, no |
| 10:51.21 | fireba11 | please someone take a look at what i pasted in #flood.. how the hell can that happen ? |
| 10:51.31 | jvm | hi; i use ndiswrapper, but it's VERY unstable. my wlan-card isn't natively supported; is there some workaround? is it always unstable? is there something i could've done wrong? |
| 10:51.41 | peterrus | liable, not commented just okay |
| 10:51.47 | Boter | hm |
| 10:51.50 | Boter | need to check |
| 10:51.52 | Boter | brb |
| 10:51.54 | peterrus | k |
| 10:52.25 | liable | peterrus: it should be available to you. pick another mirror |
| 10:52.53 | peterrus | liable, i use security.debian.org/ :S |
| 10:53.07 | liable | peterrus: thats not a normal mirror |
| 10:53.14 | peterrus | liable, oh, wait :) |
| 10:53.32 | peterrus | so what could be a valid line? i want a nl mirror (holland |
| 10:53.33 | peterrus | ) |
| 10:53.34 | cydork | peterrus, that is a mirror for security packages only. |
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| 10:53.55 | peterrus | cydork, i see |
| 10:54.03 | liable | ftp.nl.debian.org (should work) |
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| 10:54.08 | peterrus | nothing else? |
| 10:54.15 | liable | !mirrors |
| 10:54.15 | dpkg | hmm... debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 10:54.34 | Boter | peterrus hmm where is that? |
| 10:55.04 | peterrus | when you did make menuconfig it should be somewhere :p i dont know but it is there |
| 10:56.05 | itchi | wterm not support for example the 'midnight blue' color? |
| 10:56.10 | Boter | i checked .config |
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| 10:56.24 | Boter | and there is not anything about filesistem and ext2 |
| 10:57.05 | liable | Boter: you need your fs support compiled in, also your chipset modules for your drive controller. if you are going to compile a kernel, read *every* help option for each kernel module |
| 10:57.08 | peterrus | liable, think i got it |
| 10:57.12 | itchi | Yeah, sorry, it's my 'strange questions' day :-) |
| 10:57.33 | Boter | but I CANT FIND fs menu or any fs config |
| 10:57.45 | Boter | that's the problem |
| 10:57.45 | peterrus | Boter, then you better do make menuconfig? |
| 10:57.45 | liable | Boter: then dont compile kernels |
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| 10:57.57 | Boter | peterrus i do |
| 10:58.01 | peterrus | hmm |
| 10:58.09 | peterrus | well it is there so its your fault then |
| 10:58.18 | Boter | doh |
| 10:58.22 | Boter | i compile 2.4 |
| 10:58.29 | Boter | and there is no such menu |
| 10:58.36 | peterrus | yes there is |
| 10:58.58 | peterrus | in the folder where you extracted the kernel source: make menuconfig |
| 10:59.10 | Boter | i'm not stupid |
| 10:59.16 | Boter | i recompiled kernel severeal times |
| 10:59.20 | Boter | but newer had this error |
| 10:59.20 | peterrus | i see |
| 10:59.31 | itchi | Nice the wterm man page: In most cases, -option turns the option on, +option will turn it off. This may seem a little illogical, but such is life. :-) |
| 10:59.34 | peterrus | well then i can not help you |
| 10:59.39 | liable | read the damn help taxts in menuconfig |
| 10:59.57 | Boter | liable can i tell you again that I AM NOT STUPID |
| 11:00.01 | Boter | i know what i'm working |
| 11:00.13 | Boter | just there is no such thing you're trying to say there is |
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| 11:01.27 | peterrus | liable, its happening again, i think something is wrong with my script that starts fluxbox, well in fact i dont even have any |
| 11:01.45 | peterrus | Boter, please refrain from using capslock |
| 11:01.47 | liable | Boter: i didnt call you stupid, i was telling you to read the help texts, because they tell you about the important drivers when they need to be compiled in |
| 11:02.06 | liable | peterrus: xdm does it to eh? |
| 11:02.16 | peterrus | liable, yepzorz |
| 11:02.26 | Boter | fine but it wont help |
| 11:02.32 | Boter | i used same config in older kernels and worked fine |
| 11:02.38 | liable | peterrus: you shouldnt need a start script if you use a dm |
| 11:03.27 | liable | Boter: this is still a 2.4 kernel you say? |
| 11:03.34 | Boter | yes |
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| 11:03.54 | Boter | so anyway i dont bealive there is a problem with config |
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| 11:07.06 | liable | peterrus: what if you just run startx startfluxbox |
| 11:07.17 | peterrus | wait a min rebooting and then we will see |
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| 11:10.35 | peterrus | liable, its happening agian, soi think i need to give each user a .xinitrc file in his home dir, right? |
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| 11:11.53 | liable | peterrus: switch to vt1 and kill xdm |
| 11:11.59 | liable | then try startx |
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| 11:12.41 | peterrus | liable, thats starting fluxbox, because i just made a .xinitrc file in my home dir |
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| 11:12.57 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 11:13.11 | peterrus | yoho |
| 11:13.32 | liable | peterrus: i dunno why xdm didnt start it, check /usr/share/xsessions/ and see if theres a entry for flux |
| 11:14.37 | peterrus | liable, there is a file kalled fluxbox.desktop which contains some stuff to start fluxbox |
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| 11:15.02 | peterrus | liable, but to me this looks like a desktop icon :/ |
| 11:15.10 | liable | peterrus: hrm, xdm should have started it then.. |
| 11:15.37 | liable | peterrus: that file is for dm's |
| 11:15.45 | peterrus | /var/log/xdm.log reports nothing |
| 11:16.37 | liable | peterrus: check auth.log |
| 11:16.53 | Boter | thanks for all the help here |
| 11:16.58 | peterrus | no problem |
| 11:17.11 | peterrus | liable, session open for user root |
| 11:17.17 | peterrus | session closed for user root |
| 11:17.29 | peterrus | with a interval of just onesecond |
| 11:17.44 | peterrus | same with user peterrus |
| 11:17.59 | liable | peterrus: hrm, dunno |
| 11:18.03 | peterrus | poop |
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| 11:18.29 | murrayfoss | type failure into a google search hit enter |
| 11:18.37 | peterrus | murrayfoss, :D |
| 11:18.45 | mynullvoid | exit |
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| 11:18.52 | murrayfoss | seriously, do it |
| 11:18.58 | dendrite | peterrus: Why did you install X "manually" ? |
| 11:19.04 | peterrus | murrayfoss, LOOL |
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| 11:20.04 | cydork | murrayfoss, it's old news :) |
| 11:20.43 | liable | dendrite: he means as opposed to using the installer, ala tasksel |
| 11:20.45 | peterrus | dendrite, because i didnt want gnome, this is what i did: i installed the base system from binary cd 1 then i booted my system and installed the x-window-system-core package then fluxbox and then xdm, but i have no idea if that is correct. oen of you guys said i couldnt just install debian without gnome and with fluxbox |
| 11:21.22 | peterrus | murrayfoss, ive stopped using slackware. its wasnt really what i was looking for. so now i am a debianist :p |
| 11:22.14 | cydork | petemc, you can use debian without gnome with fluxbox. |
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| 11:24.36 | zanpakuto | hello i have a mount point owned by a use, what should be the option in fstab so that when I mount the partition attributes are retained? |
| 11:24.47 | peterrus | cydork, but how do i install it this way? i have binary cd one and two. so if you can tell me how i should install debian with fluxbox and without gnome i would be very happy |
| 11:24.54 | blondie | zanpakuto: what kind of attributes? |
| 11:25.21 | liable | peterrus: the way you installed it, is the way you should have.. |
| 11:25.24 | zanpakuto | blondie, rwx stuff. |
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| 11:25.39 | peterrus | liable, but then i have gnome, which doesnt fit on my disk at all |
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| 11:25.56 | liable | peterrus: i am saying that you did it the right way... |
| 11:26.00 | blondie | zanpakuto: change them when it is mounted |
| 11:26.03 | peterrus | liable, i see |
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| 11:26.30 | raavi | I am having problem in getting sound from my laptop, Acer Aspire 1640z |
| 11:26.40 | peterrus | is there a tutorial or howto available on doing it this way, so i can do it the very right way instead of doing it with my li ited debian knowledge |
| 11:26.43 | zanpakuto | blondie, ok ill try that |
| 11:26.44 | miroon1 | hi im new here who can help me using the PuttY ? |
| 11:26.45 | cydork | peterrus, what is the problem you are facing now? |
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| 11:27.30 | miroon1 | how can i open onther window weill chating here ? |
| 11:27.45 | dendrite | miroon1: You're running windows? |
| 11:27.53 | blondie | miroon1: another irc window? |
| 11:28.36 | peterrus | cydork, i would like to know if it is possible to install debian with fluxbox and not gnome right from the install cd. |
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| 11:29.12 | miroon1 | blondie yes and also to control my |
| 11:29.15 | dendrite | 07:28 <miroon1> i have windows and im using putty to log on to my dabian os |
| 11:29.29 | dendrite | miroon1: Please don't msg me, the info is best kept in channel. |
| 11:29.30 | liable | peterrus: there is nothing more to do. you have x-window-system and flux, thats all you needed to install. i dont know why flux isnt starting viam the dm, maybe check the flux docs (/usr/share/doc/fluxbox) or more likely theres a bug in pam or something |
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| 11:29.52 | liable | peterrus: check wdm/xdm bugs (bugs.debian.org) |
| 11:29.55 | peterrus | liable, :( blegh |
| 11:29.57 | peterrus | liable, okay |
| 11:30.01 | blondie | miroon1: click the putty menu (top left) and click duplicate session |
| 11:30.26 | cydork | peterrus, so the problem is that fluxbox is not starting?? |
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| 11:30.47 | liable | peterrus: its most likely not in pam seeing as you can log in to console, but its somewhere in the auth bit |
| 11:30.49 | miroon1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.52 | dendrite | miroon1: Or, run 'screen' before you run irc in your login shell. Screen gives you multiple virtual screens. |
| 11:30.56 | blondie | miroon1: no |
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| 11:30.57 | peterrus | cydork, no, it does start, but when i use xdm or wdm i cant start fluxbox |
| 11:31.05 | NiCeBoY | hi |
| 11:31.12 | peterrus | liable, can i check this somehow? |
| 11:31.20 | zanpakuto | blondie, thanks a lot! mount with user ownership worked! |
| 11:31.20 | NiCeBoY | anyone can tell me which apt-get install i should do to install open ssl library plz? |
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| 11:31.28 | miroon1 | tnx all |
| 11:31.28 | liable | peterrus: you just did, it starts with startx :) |
| 11:31.29 | blondie | zanpakuto: good |
| 11:31.30 | dendrite | peterrus: Is Fluxbox listed as an option in the dm menu? |
| 11:31.32 | miroon1 | cu |
| 11:31.39 | ph00 | I need to set up an encrypted partition with LUKS, I'm running etch and don't know squat about encryption: what should I start with? |
| 11:31.42 | fireba11 | how is it possible that i can see a file with ls and so on, it's amrked executable and still bash tells me "no such file or directory" ? |
| 11:31.55 | fireba11 | when i try to run it fo course |
| 11:31.58 | peterrus | liable, but i want graphical login by default with a display manager to preven unautohorized use |
| 11:32.18 | liable | peterrus: yes, check the bts for xdm |
| 11:32.24 | peterrus | liable, how? |
| 11:32.30 | dendrite | fireba11: Is the file in your PATH? If not, try running it with /path/to/file . |
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| 11:32.31 | liable | fireba11: even with full path supplied? |
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| 11:32.42 | liable | peterrus: go to bugs.debian.org |
| 11:32.46 | fireba11 | dendrite liable yes, with full path |
| 11:32.50 | userdefined | fireba11: check the first line in the file to make sure the #!/bin/bash (or whatever) is correct |
| 11:32.55 | peterrus | liable, what to search for |
| 11:32.58 | dendrite | fireba11: What type of file are you trying to execute? |
| 11:33.06 | liable | peterrus: just put xdm in the search box |
| 11:33.07 | cydork | !tell peterrus about xsession |
| 11:33.08 | CaptainNuss | greetings. i'm running the testing distribution of debian on my new dell inspiron 9400 notebook. i'm having trouble getting the nvidia geforce go 7900 gs to run |
| 11:33.14 | zaher | hello |
| 11:33.24 | RichiH | !thx |
| 11:33.25 | dpkg | well, thx is a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. THX is also a certification programme for sound reproduction associated with George Lucas. |
| 11:33.40 | zaher | anyone succedeed in installing ati fglrx drivers in etch? |
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| 11:33.51 | cydork | !anyone |
| 11:33.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:33.54 | zaher | what is the exact procedure? |
| 11:33.59 | RichiH | dpkg: no, thx is <reply> THX (C) is the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified) |
| 11:33.59 | dpkg | okay, RichiH |
| 11:34.03 | RichiH | !thx |
| 11:34.03 | dpkg | THX (C) is the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified) |
| 11:34.19 | fireba11 | dendrite: it's a binary |
| 11:34.31 | peterrus | lol i think i got it, wait a min |
| 11:34.43 | CaptainNuss | i've tried following method three of this tutorial: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Latest_Nvidia_Dapper |
| 11:34.47 | dendrite | fireba11: Can you paste the exact error? One line? |
| 11:34.59 | CaptainNuss | it's for ubuntu, but the nvidia-glx package is available in the unstable dist |
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| 11:35.21 | fireba11 | dendrite bash: /usr/bin/vmware-ping: No such file or directory |
| 11:35.29 | cydork | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:35.29 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 11:35.31 | CaptainNuss | still, with the nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx package of the unstable distribution, the x server init stops when trying to load the gl extensions |
| 11:35.44 | cydork | CaptainNuss, check what dpkg said ^^ |
| 11:36.00 | zaher | anyone succeded in installing fglrx in etch? |
| 11:36.06 | peterrus | not ... :( |
| 11:36.08 | CaptainNuss | cydork: thanks |
| 11:36.23 | dendrite | fireba11: And this is not a shell script? |
| 11:36.26 | cydork | !fglrx |
| 11:36.27 | dpkg | fglrx is probably add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 11:36.33 | cydork | zaher, ^^ |
| 11:36.58 | fireba11 | dendrite: definitely not .. i can even look into taht file with mc |
| 11:37.29 | DimmuR | I've two cards in server on debian stable. Is it possible to configure them for 1 ip to make network load smaller ? If it's possible any1 can give me hints on that? |
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| 11:37.46 | dendrite | fireba11: OK, run this: strace -eopen /usr/bin/vmware-ping |
| 11:38.03 | dendrite | fireba11: And look for the line where it complains about a missing file. |
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| 11:39.01 | fireba11 | dendrite strace: exec: No such file or directory ^^ |
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| 11:39.27 | Sandwich | i am doing a study, and its mainly because a lot of debian users i have met have been grumpy, however some of my best friends use debian. Because of this im doin g survey on the popular distributions, of who has the most grumpiest people and why. |
| 11:39.31 | peterrus | well no bugs for pam that look somewhat like my error |
| 11:39.36 | zaher | yes |
| 11:39.37 | dendrite | fireba11: Are you using tab completion to type that program in? |
| 11:39.41 | Sandwich | oh and my best friends aren't grumpy. |
| 11:39.55 | fireba11 | dendrite: yes ^^ |
| 11:39.56 | crazy_penguin | Good afternoon everyone! |
| 11:39.58 | Sandwich | any grumpy people here? |
| 11:40.04 | cusco | yea! |
| 11:40.13 | peterrus | so you say there is no way to install debian with fluxbox and without gnome from cd? |
| 11:40.13 | dendrite | Sandwich: Do you have a proplerly calibrated Grump-o-meter? |
| 11:40.19 | Sandwich | yeah i do |
| 11:40.27 | peterrus | Sandwich, please go to #slackware for some reaaaly grumpy people |
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| 11:40.32 | Coweater | Sandwich: give me a few hours, i won't have slept enough and i'll be pretty grumpy |
| 11:40.35 | cusco | haha |
| 11:40.38 | Sandwich | i see |
| 11:40.39 | dendrite | Sandwich: Nooooo, nooo, no grumpy people heeeere.... |
| 11:40.45 | Sandwich | ive never met any slackware users |
| 11:40.47 | peterrus | #slackware |
| 11:40.52 | Sandwich | lol they are far and few between |
| 11:40.56 | peterrus | grumpy++ |
| 11:41.03 | Sandwich | must have all died from heart attacks |
| 11:41.08 | dendrite | Sandwich: There are a few ex-slackers here... :-) |
| 11:41.09 | Coweater | it's probably the lack of package management |
| 11:41.12 | peterrus | like me |
| 11:41.29 | Sandwich | a friend of mine who uses gentoo believes debian users are grumpy because they have old packages in their repository |
| 11:41.36 | dendrite | Sandwich: Why not expand your research to include all seven dwarves? |
| 11:41.39 | peterrus | gentoo stinks |
| 11:41.41 | Sandwich | which kind of supports coweater's opinion |
| 11:41.55 | peterrus | i hate waiting six days until compiling is complete |
| 11:42.04 | Sandwich | nothing takes that long |
| 11:42.05 | Sandwich | ;P |
| 11:42.09 | peterrus | Coweater, is right |
| 11:42.19 | cydork | !gentoosmite Sandwich |
| 11:42.23 | peterrus | Sandwich, yes it does, openoffice and stuff |
| 11:42.23 | Coweater | old packages that work isn't bad compared to dealing with dependencies and unofficial packages that slackware often requires for a full desktop |
| 11:42.28 | fireba11 | dendrite any ideas ? |
| 11:42.33 | peterrus | dpkg, WTF |
| 11:42.42 | Sandwich | cydork, i dont use gentoo |
| 11:43.01 | dendrite | fireba11: Not off hand. Oh, what is the output of ls -l /usr/bin/vmware-ping ? |
| 11:43.14 | cydork | Sandwich, i know :) i just felt like using that factoid :P |
| 11:43.17 | peterrus | !gentoosmite gnome-coffee-machine |
| 11:43.21 | fireba11 | dendrite: -r-sr-xr-x 1 root root 10852 2006-08-18 12:42 /usr/bin/vmware-ping |
| 11:43.27 | peterrus | better than nothing |
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| 11:43.42 | Sandwich | i must admit i havn't met any grumpy gentoo users |
| 11:43.45 | Sandwich | except for one |
| 11:43.52 | Sandwich | but he uses lfs mainly. |
| 11:44.05 | dendrite | fireba11: and 'file /usr/bin/vmware-ping' ? |
| 11:44.06 | peterrus | and if i use this debian expert install does that give me the posibilty to install debian without gnome but with fluxbox and X ? |
| 11:44.22 | cydork | Sandwich, guys who can wait that long for installing pakages must have managed to reach zen :) |
| 11:44.38 | Sandwich | most are instant actually. |
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| 11:45.00 | dendrite | peterrus: I generally just install absolute minimum, then after the install is sane, and I'm sure all the basics work, I go in and install just what I want... |
| 11:45.03 | Sandwich | as ive used gentoo before, the only things that take ages are, glibc, gcc, qt, gtk, gnome-desktop, and all of kde |
| 11:45.13 | fireba11 | dendrite /usr/bin/vmware-ping: setuid ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped |
| 11:45.15 | Sandwich | which don't come out with new versions anyway frequently. |
| 11:45.20 | peterrus | dendrite, then how do you install X and fluxbox and xdm if you would? |
| 11:45.30 | userdefined | peterrus: i think there's an option to do custom package selection when you get to the 'tasksel' portion of the install |
| 11:45.45 | peterrus | userdefined, where is that? in expert |
| 11:45.45 | userdefined | that may be an option which would allow you to do what you're looking to |
| 11:45.45 | cydork | peterrus, apt-get install xserver-xorg fluxbox xdm :) |
| 11:45.54 | userdefined | no, just during normal install. |
| 11:45.59 | dendrite | peterrus: I'd expect installing fluxbox and xdm to pull in X. |
| 11:46.10 | userdefined | though, i typically only use netinst images, may be different with other installation methods |
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| 11:47.14 | dendrite | fireba11: And what about 'which vmware-ping' ? |
| 11:47.44 | fireba11 | dendrite: just gives filename with full path |
| 11:48.07 | dendrite | fireba11: I'm pretty sure that vmware-ping is calling another program that can't be found. |
| 11:48.15 | fireba11 | dendrite: sounds likely |
| 11:48.20 | Sandwich | i made DKPG say that they like gentoo |
| 11:48.24 | Sandwich | dpkg rather |
| 11:48.31 | dendrite | fireba11: And a little quality time with strace should have it sorted. |
| 11:48.41 | Sandwich | dpkg gentoo is cool isn't it? |
| 11:48.42 | dpkg | ...but gentoo is already something else... |
| 11:48.50 | Sandwich | damn it didn't do that before. |
| 11:48.51 | multi_io | dselect makes me cry |
| 11:49.16 | CaptainNuss | dpkg: etch nvidia |
| 11:49.17 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
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| 11:51.28 | multi_io | I set eclipse to "install" in dselect's selection screen, hit Enter to get back to the main screen, then "Install". Then eclipse is listed among the packages that will be REMOVED. Is there some deeper sense in this that I'm just too stupid to understand? |
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| 11:54.05 | fireba11 | dendrite: aww crap .. looks like i forgot to install 32-bit libaries on that box |
| 11:54.21 | dendrite | fireba11: Details, details... |
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| 11:54.51 | dendrite | fireba11: What was the clue that tipped you off? |
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| 11:55.24 | fireba11 | just looked inside that file and found a lib referenced that didn't exist |
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| 11:57.13 | kintaro0e | hi guys...how to disable a port? like in the /etc/networks, then comment out those ports, does this will do?for example i want to disable a port in ssh, then i'll just put # on the port for ssh, is this right? |
| 11:57.26 | fireba11 | dendrite so i remembered VMware requiring some 32-bit libs on amd64 to be installed manually |
| 11:58.09 | infernix | strange. I apt-get upgraded my etch last night, and now I am having funky terminal emulation problems, like page up/down not working as before in remote shells. |
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| 11:59.50 | fireba11 | dendrite: everything working now, thanks a lot for your help |
| 12:00.06 | CruX| | hi i have this in /etc/exports |
| 12:00.06 | CruX| | /work/xorg 192.168.32.36(rw) |
| 12:00.06 | CruX| | i am mounting this drive with mount -t nfs 192.168.32.193:/work/xorg -o rw,exec,nolock,rsize=8192,wsize=8192 1 |
| 12:00.09 | CruX| | and when i try to create file i get permission denied, i am root on both machines, any idea ? |
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| 12:00.22 | userdefined | kintaro0e: do you mean /etc/services ? |
| 12:00.23 | infernix | like, i can start Eterm, vi some file, and whereas pushing Insert twice would change the mode to Replace, now pushing Insert twice gives an error |
| 12:00.47 | userdefined | kintaro0e: what are you looking to accomplish ? |
| 12:00.52 | infernix | CruX|: you need (rw,no_root_squash) |
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| 12:01.15 | kintaro0e | userdefined: i just want to make a static port for my program |
| 12:01.24 | kintaro0e | userdefined: is it posible |
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| 12:01.54 | userdefined | are you trying to force a port on outbound connections ? |
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| 12:02.14 | jlaw | good morning |
| 12:02.23 | CaptainNuss | cydork: i did what dpkg said, but it still doesn't work. the screen is repeatedly switched on and off, then i get an error message that the xserver couldn't be started. the last log message is 'initializing extension GLX', so that's where it halts |
| 12:02.44 | multi_io | other dselect problem: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/dselect-xfwm4-instversion-wrong.png |
| 12:02.52 | CaptainNuss | in the log, i noticed the line 'Loading extension NV-GLX'. does that conflict with GLX? |
| 12:03.08 | multi_io | why doesn't it display the correct available version (4.3.90.2-2 0) ? |
| 12:03.48 | azeem | multi_io: did you run dselect update? |
| 12:03.55 | multi_io | azeem: yes |
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| 12:04.11 | userdefined | kintaro0e: if you're trying to set which port ssh listens to for incoming connections, that's in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 12:04.15 | multi_io | (umm. I chose "Update" in dselect) |
| 12:04.33 | azeem | multi_io: no idea then |
| 12:04.36 | kintaro0e | userdefined: ah..i see |
| 12:04.41 | kintaro0e | thanks for the advice |
| 12:04.49 | userdefined | kintaro0e: if you're trying to set which port ssh connects to on outbound connections, that can be done in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, even to a per host level |
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| 12:05.05 | CruX| | infernix: thx, it worx |
| 12:05.09 | petemc | i dont it in ~/.ssh/config |
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| 12:11.18 | OPU|Leviathan | can some one help me please? i want a small debian install then icewm. should i just get the 1st cd image? |
| 12:11.49 | yeager | yes |
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| 12:12.02 | SlammerXP | !d-i OPU|Leviathan |
| 12:12.02 | OPU|Leviathan | ty |
| 12:12.02 | dpkg | OPU|Leviathan, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 12:13.40 | kasper | OPU|Leviathan: i'd get the netinstall cd, from the url above. and then install a base system. and 'apt-get intsall x-window-system-core icewm' |
| 12:14.07 | kasper | that way your just installing what you need |
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| 12:16.40 | mr_claus_ | if i copy a 80mb directory on the local system it takes 2 seconds, if i copy it accross a 1gbit fiber nfs it takes 80 seconds, is that normal? |
| 12:17.12 | CaptainNuss | ha! i got it to work! the problem was that the nvidia-glx-legacy stuff obviously wasn't uninstalled properly, so it was still being started on bootup along with the newer nvidia-glx |
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| 12:18.28 | multi_io | azeem: I solved it. update complained that one of my sources wasn't available anymore. After I removed it from apt.sources and re-ran update, everything works |
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| 12:19.05 | multi_io | (I didn't think the unavailability of a source would trigger such behaviour in dselect :) ) |
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| 12:19.59 | row | mr_claus_: if coping to same drive on local system why can it not take the same amount of time? |
| 12:20.17 | row | constant read and write if using nfs, read/write/read/write with local. |
| 12:20.37 | row | 80 secs tho for 80mb seems a lot. |
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| 12:21.20 | nomed | hi all |
| 12:21.24 | mr_claus_ | row: i tested now the difference between read and write access, read the 80mb from nfs takes 9 seconds |
| 12:21.37 | mr_claus_ | row: write the same data to nfs takes 94 seconds |
| 12:21.59 | mr_claus_ | row: copy the files on the nfs server directly without using nfs takes 2 seconds |
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| 12:22.12 | waiting | mr_claus_: did you make sure that the read data was not cached? |
| 12:22.16 | mr_claus_ | row: the disks are fast but the nfs write performance seems to be slow |
| 12:22.31 | mr_claus_ | waiting: no, how i can be sure? |
| 12:23.53 | sep | mr_claus_, sync or async nfs ? check logs for nfs timeouts |
| 12:24.41 | waiting | mr_claus_: use data that never was read before |
| 12:24.44 | waiting | mr_claus_: ^^ |
| 12:24.58 | sep | mr_claus_, read some data that have not been touched since last reboot, or last mount |
| 12:25.32 | mr_claus_ | sep: rsize=4096,wsize=4096,retrans=10,bg,soft,intr |
| 12:25.40 | mr_claus_ | sep: that are my mount parameters |
| 12:26.19 | row | it will be set in /etc/exports mr_claus_ |
| 12:26.23 | sep | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/performance.html read about sync and async. especialy if you have nfs v2 anywhere |
| 12:26.39 | mr_claus_ | row: it's sync |
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| 12:27.14 | sep | mr_claus_, try async then |
| 12:27.23 | syntaxx | how can i go back to grub when i installed lilo? |
| 12:27.35 | sep | mr_claus_, but read that url so you know what that means |
| 12:27.54 | sep | !lilo->grub |
| 12:28.00 | sep | !test |
| 12:28.00 | dpkg | Sorry, sep, I didn't get your test. |
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| 12:28.20 | sep | !lilo->grub |
| 12:28.28 | mr_claus_ | sep: it seems that async send a ok before all the data were written |
| 12:28.43 | sep | is dpkg@freenode !=dpkg@oftc ? |
| 12:28.50 | sep | mr_claus_, exactly. |
| 12:29.17 | sep | or rather sends ok when data is recived on nfs server. sync say ok when data is commited to disk |
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| 12:29.53 | azeem | sep: they use the same database |
| 12:29.54 | mr_claus_ | sep: ok, so the sync is the better choice but 80mb and 94 seconds are very poor, perhaps something is wrong configured, is the nfs protocol really so slow? |
| 12:30.25 | sep | syntaxx, <dpkg> aptitude install grub; aptitude purge lilo; edit /etc/kernel-img.conf, so both postinst_hook and postrm_hook are equal to /sbin/update-grub - then run update-grub and install-grub /dev/harddiskdevice to be sure. |
| 12:30.57 | sep | mr_claus_, sync is not the better option. sync is the safe option, async the fast one. what's better depends on your needs |
| 12:30.57 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 12:31.01 | syntaxx | il try to reboot now |
| 12:31.39 | mr_claus_ | sep: i know, but if i think that the performance problem ist not due the disks or the cpu of the nfs server |
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| 12:31.55 | mr_claus_ | sep: if the data are on the nfs server the commit would not need so much time |
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| 12:34.21 | sep | mr_claus_, perhaps you write to a journaled fs, and nfs dont consider the data commited to disk until the fs have actualy commited the journal to. |
| 12:34.28 | sep | that's why you should test with async to see |
| 12:34.56 | mr_claus_ | sep: ok, i would test it but at the moment it's not possible because it's a production system |
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| 12:35.11 | mr_claus_ | sep: the nfs-server use a ext3 journaling fs with acl's |
| 12:35.14 | sep | besides you do have ups on your nfs server dont you ? and a raid controller with batterybackup |
| 12:35.35 | mr_claus_ | sep: yes there is a raid controller with backup |
| 12:36.31 | ph00 | I have one small problem here but I can't ask in the "right" channel because I already had some arguments with ppl therein: problem is, java -verion says I'm using 1.4.2 gij, I have installed sun's 1.5.0_06 and it works in the browser, but if I try to java -jar a jar file it still uses gij, I added the java directoy to PATH but it didn't work. how do I fix that? |
| 12:37.22 | sep | ph00, call suns java executable with a full path ? |
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| 12:38.18 | ph00 | sep yes that should work, but I want the system to use the "right" java by default |
| 12:38.36 | ph00 | maybe I've got it |
| 12:38.48 | sep | purge gij ? or make sure sun java is earlier in path then gij java |
| 12:38.52 | ph00 | update-alternatives --config java should work, let's see... |
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| 12:40.20 | mr_claus_ | sep: if i add an export to my exportlist and reload the nfs-server will the connections going down? |
| 12:40.24 | ph00 | ok |
| 12:40.34 | thelostbutler | hello folks, is there is a guide on how to remaster a debian installation disk to run the latest kernel ? |
| 12:41.38 | liran_ | does anyone have an idea if it's possible to get the result of 'lsof -n -i' from /proc? |
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| 12:42.16 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:42.17 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:42.27 | sep | thelostbutler, why not use one of the allready backported installers ? http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 12:43.02 | thelostbutler | sep: aah okay, i didn't know about that |
| 12:44.13 | thelostbutler | sep: while i can use, those cd's , to rtfm, do you know of a guide ? |
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| 12:44.29 | sep | no |
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| 12:44.45 | thelostbutler | sep: thanks for pointing to the link. appreciate it |
| 12:46.16 | mr_claus_ | sep: with async it's 25 seconds, to slow with 1gbit fiber |
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| 12:50.11 | jharrisonwk | comrads! |
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| 12:51.10 | nvz | howdy |
| 12:51.30 | jharrisonwk | nvz: fine |
| 12:51.32 | jharrisonwk | nvz: you? |
| 12:51.52 | nvz | I finally got internet the other day.. I should be happy as a technophile in a computer store with a credit line |
| 12:52.04 | amphi | nvz: ;) |
| 12:52.05 | jharrisonwk | you should be? |
| 12:52.08 | jharrisonwk | or you are? |
| 12:52.31 | nvz | but my downstream signal is -19dB, my upstream is 8dBmV and my signal to noise ratio is 17dB |
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| 12:52.42 | nvz | I cant get connected too much damn line noise |
| 12:52.54 | nvz | pisses me off. |
| 12:52.59 | jharrisonwk | nvz: ah so you are not happy as a technophile in a computer store with a credit line? |
| 12:53.12 | nvz | gotta wait for a tech to come out and figure out where the noise is comming from |
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| 12:53.33 | jharrisonwk | nvz: dsl? |
| 12:53.37 | nvz | I went out an picked up a self-install kit and a modem and came home and weaped when it didnt work |
| 12:53.40 | nvz | no, cable |
| 12:53.47 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
| 12:53.50 | jharrisonwk | that sucks |
| 12:54.02 | nvz | I need like about 35dB and I am only getting 19 |
| 12:54.14 | nvz | because of all the damn noise |
| 12:55.22 | nvz | I told the tech support all this crap, so hopefully they put it all on the work ticket.. cause if a tech comes out and wants to start playing around in my house and messing with my computer asking questions about where my "start menu" is and shit I am gonna stab him |
| 12:55.43 | nvz | I already diagnosed the problem 100% I just need them to fix it :P |
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| 12:55.54 | jharrisonwk | start menu? |
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| 12:56.09 | peterS | nvz: just get out your guitar and show them the Strat menu |
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| 12:56.15 | zamuro | LOL |
| 12:56.17 | jharrisonwk | nvz: you mean tty1? |
| 12:56.23 | kasper | whats a start menu? |
| 12:56.24 | jbrimble | how do i set up my wireless card in debian? |
| 12:56.25 | nvz | yeah you know how ISP's and cable/phone techs are.. they only understand microsoft windows |
| 12:56.32 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 12:56.36 | jharrisonwk | dont I know it |
| 12:56.49 | kasper | jbrimble: iwconfig - 'apt-get install wireless-tools' |
| 12:56.52 | jharrisonwk | I work in the ISP facility here |
| 12:57.12 | jharrisonwk | we use about 98% linux in our office and data centre |
| 12:57.22 | jharrisonwk | but they use windows |
| 12:57.22 | nvz | peterS: the guitar I have right now, that my friend gave me is an "Indian" whatever the hell that is |
| 12:57.32 | jharrisonwk | and they know just about nothing about what they are doing |
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| 12:57.41 | jharrisonwk | I guess windows is not easy enough for them |
| 12:57.42 | zamuro | nvz: The all around question ISPs make is: "Which Windows version are you using, sir?" |
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| 12:58.02 | nvz | peterS: my Takamine G-Series acoustic-electric is stranded in texas if my uncle hasnt pawned it |
| 12:58.04 | jharrisonwk | I tell them I use linux and they are like hhmmm whats a linux? |
| 12:58.48 | Tallu | 'Just go to your control panel and doubleclick system and you will see the windows version..." |
| 12:58.53 | nvz | zamuro: thats when I say sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 |
| 12:59.03 | Althaser | how can I stop the sysklogd loggin ? please |
| 12:59.17 | nvz | zamuro: and they give me a funny look |
| 12:59.24 | zamuro | jharrisonwk: LOL... I Said "I'm using freebsd 6 through ssh via Debian Etch on a Kernel 2.6.16" |
| 12:59.25 | azeem | Althaser: please do not cross post immediately |
| 12:59.37 | zamuro | nvz: Same here.. |
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| 13:00.03 | zamuro | When I said that, there was a uncomfortable 10s silence on the phone rofl |
| 13:00.08 | jharrisonwk | whats a cross post? |
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| 13:00.39 | zamuro | Some kind of bad traslation, I guess... |
| 13:00.42 | nvz | I dont tell them anything.. I just translate.. they explain the long click-map through the graphical shell to some control panel into some network properties dialog, and I just hit the tab key a few times and end up in my editor looking at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:00.56 | sep | jharrisonwk, a post on debian@oftc at the same time as on debian@freenode ? :) |
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| 13:01.12 | jharrisonwk | sep: are you kidding me? |
| 13:01.28 | peterS | jharrisonwk: it's true, that's what azeem meant |
| 13:01.40 | Althaser | azeem sorry |
| 13:01.41 | jharrisonwk | can debian@oftc see what we say here? |
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| 13:01.47 | jharrisonwk | and vice versa? |
| 13:01.47 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 13:01.54 | peterS | jharrisonwk: no. two different channels. |
| 13:01.57 | mr_claus_ | sep: scp takes the same time like nfs, so the performanceproblem comes from the network or the server? |
| 13:01.57 | kasper | how can i get 'tail' to print the output directly to the desktop (transparently) like in this pic? http://barca.linuxstorm.org/artykuly/torsmo.jpg |
| 13:01.58 | jharrisonwk | right |
| 13:01.59 | Tallu | nvz: haha the best one i got was when i reported a problem with the isps dhcp server (which was at fault, they admitted later on) and they told me to start doing them windows commands and i told them i run linux "oh, why are you calling us then.. shouldnt you like fix it yourself?" |
| 13:02.07 | peterS | jharrisonwk: but Althaser posed the same question on both, without waiting for an answer on the first |
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| 13:02.14 | jharrisonwk | so what the deal with someone saying something in one network and then again on another network? |
| 13:02.29 | nvz | in this case I dont expect them to worry about anything inside my walls other than their modem. and right now the damn thing wont connect cause there is too much noise in my line. I'll take care of the rest past the modem's transparent bridge device |
| 13:02.35 | jharrisonwk | peterS: yeah so? I dont understand what the problem is |
| 13:02.43 | Althaser | jharrisonwk my bad :P |
| 13:02.45 | peterS | jharrisonwk: it wastes the window real estate of those of us who follow both |
| 13:03.22 | jharrisonwk | isnt that a little nit picky? |
| 13:03.27 | Tallu | kasper: wow that looks nice.. sort of makes me want to have a gui :P |
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| 13:03.40 | peterS | jharrisonwk: in fact it wasted the support resources of those who don't follow both, too - he didn't wait to see if he got an answer on the one channel before bothering everyone on the other. he set up the distinct possibility of getting simultaneous answers both places from people who didn't know the other channel had already done the work to answer |
| 13:03.59 | nvz | I should be at home right now getting drunk and chatting with you guys.. but my tech isnt scheduled to come out until tomorrow.. so I've been just sitting there watching my modem lights flash |
| 13:04.04 | azeem | which is more relevant, IMHO |
| 13:04.33 | jharrisonwk | peterS: yes I realize that but still to tell someone what they can do or not do on two different networks is out of line if you ask me |
| 13:04.38 | jharrisonwk | but thats just my opinion |
| 13:04.42 | kasper | Tallu: heh. i've got a few "toys" that are console only (i.e oldskool panisonic toughbook 25 (military issue)) running obsd in console :) |
| 13:04.42 | sep | mr_claus_, seams like it,. try scp testfile remote:/dev/null to see if that's faster |
| 13:04.45 | azeem | jharrisonwk: eh, I said "please" |
| 13:04.47 | DustyDingo | i am searching /etc/modprobe.conf or the /etc/modules.d/ dir, but ca't find them on debian, what are the equivalent files? |
| 13:04.52 | azeem | jharrisonwk: you made a issue out of it |
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| 13:05.02 | kasper | Tallu: and check this one. http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/big5s5v5c.png |
| 13:05.03 | jharrisonwk | azeem: I did not make an issue outo f anything |
| 13:05.07 | jharrisonwk | I just questioned it is all |
| 13:05.14 | jharrisonwk | is there a problem with that? |
| 13:05.16 | peterS | jharrisonwk: yeah, well, #debian on both networks are more or less officially supported - by most of the same people |
| 13:05.27 | sep | jharrisonwk, becouse many of those helping out on debian is on both networks |
| 13:05.27 | jharrisonwk | peterS: yes I know |
| 13:05.29 | azeem | jharrisonwk: you got your answer |
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| 13:05.34 | DustyDingo | i must load a module on startup but can't find those files where i normaly set it |
| 13:05.37 | jharrisonwk | azeem: yes I did |
| 13:05.40 | NoPlan | Anyone with experience in localization of debian online? I have a very strange accented char problem I need to resolve. |
| 13:06.06 | Tallu | kasper: now i know the enxt thing i'll be setting up then.. :P |
| 13:06.07 | NoPlan | All characters look fine on screen, but when I print, the accents disappear! |
| 13:06.11 | nvz | oh well I thought I'd drop in since I was over here near a working internet connection... I am gonna walk up the hill and watch my cousin hang some gutter.. I already got off work this morning, so I figure I'll go watch someone else work |
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| 13:07.16 | kasper | Tallu: the system monitors in that last pic are from this prog a just found: http://conky.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:07.48 | Tallu | kasper: thanks! |
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| 13:08.25 | mr_claus_ | sep: 80mb file takes 2 seconds with nfs and scp, perhaps the amount of files is the performanceproblem |
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| 13:08.49 | shingouz | nvz: work is veyr entertaining, i can watch it for hours |
| 13:08.56 | shingouz | s/veyr/very/ |
| 13:09.23 | nvz | yeah, hanging gutter is simple.. but that doesnt mean I am going to participate |
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| 13:10.22 | shingouz | nvz: yeah, you sit there with your laptop and irc while you watch, probably giving us a running commentary. 'looks like the gutter is... oops! no, the cousin just fell off the ladder..' |
| 13:10.27 | nvz | I am a condiment technician now, I cant be bothered with labor work.. I am Colonel Ketchup, or Major Mustard.. Private Pickles.. or something of the sort |
| 13:11.00 | ph00 | I can get the st00pid PC to use sun's jvm instead of gij |
| 13:11.03 | OPU|Leviathan | what folder should i put icewm-1.2.x.tar.gz into to extract? |
| 13:11.14 | azeem | OPU|Leviathan: up to you |
| 13:11.15 | sep | OPU|Leviathan, ~ |
| 13:11.16 | jharrisonwk | ph00: java sucks |
| 13:11.33 | ph00 | I know that |
| 13:11.44 | sep | OPU|Leviathan, why dont you just apt-get ice ? |
| 13:11.49 | kasper | OPU|Leviathan: if you running debian just apt-get it |
| 13:11.52 | ph00 | But I need to have sun's java up to run some stuff |
| 13:12.04 | jharrisonwk | ph00: that sucks |
| 13:12.30 | jharrisonwk | ph00: if you follow the documentation you should not have a problem |
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| 13:13.02 | nvz | oh well I am hungry too.. I'll be around more once I get that line noise problem sorted out and can get my network at home online. |
| 13:13.18 | amphi | ph00: you've installed the sun jre? |
| 13:13.25 | nvz | I'll probably upgrade my boxes to etch once I get online :) |
| 13:13.30 | shingouz | nvz: have fun sorting out the noise :) |
| 13:13.58 | Tallu | There. Just set up 3rd monitor so I can run gnome. :P |
| 13:14.16 | shingouz | geek :p |
| 13:14.16 | nvz | if I could sort out the noise I would have done it already.. I'd get arrested for climbing the telephone poles.. thats why I am waiting for the damn cable tech |
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| 13:14.36 | Tallu | shingouz: I know! :p |
| 13:14.47 | nvz | I am not sure if its something in the area, or in my house.. may just need a seperate line ran for the modem *shrug* |
| 13:14.51 | ph00 | I followe the instructions I found on the java website, and it does work as long as it's about running java stuff while browsing the net, but when I try to run some .jar file it always runs gij, I tried adding the path to sun's java to PATH but that didn't help, symlinking the java directory to the gij dir didn't work either |
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| 13:15.12 | OPU|Leviathan | where should i install icevm to? |
| 13:15.34 | ph00 | amphi I followed all the steps as explained in the java.com website |
| 13:15.34 | sep | OPU|Leviathan, /usr/local |
| 13:15.57 | amphi | ph00: try updating /etc/alternatives/java to point at the correct jvm - did you use make-jpkg? |
| 13:16.15 | sep | OPU|Leviathan, you _should_ install the package using apt-get, but since you insist on shootin yourself in the foot, better make it the left one, (/usr/local/) :) |
| 13:16.26 | nvz | following instructions from sun and using make-jpkg are kind of mutually exclusive I would imagine |
| 13:16.49 | nvz | anyhow I am leaving before I sit here all day unproductivly :P |
| 13:16.56 | ph00 | amphi, gonna try that thx |
| 13:17.12 | shingouz | me too, need to raid the refrig |
| 13:17.28 | ph00 | apmphi what's the exact line plz? |
| 13:17.53 | amphi | ph00: there is an article about how to do this on debian-administration.org IIRC - don't listen to sun ;) |
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| 13:19.09 | ph00 | amphi gonna check that out, thx |
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| 13:20.08 | AndroidData | ! |
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| 13:20.14 | AndroidData | It's a Goa'uld! Run! |
| 13:20.28 | azeem | AndroidData: do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:20.33 | AndroidData | Yes |
| 13:20.55 | AndroidData | I know the group NAMES, now I want to get the GIDs for them. Is there a command to retrieve the GIDs of groups? |
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| 13:22.22 | Codemaster_ | Heu .... ls -n to get the gid |
| 13:22.23 | absentage | Heu .... ls -n to get the gid |
| 13:22.51 | OPU|Leviathan | on apt-get install x-windows-system i get E: Couldn't find package x-windows-system |
| 13:22.51 | absentage | on apt-get install x-windows-system i get E: Couldn't find package x-windows-system |
| 13:23.14 | AndroidData | ok. thanks! |
| 13:23.15 | absentage | ok. thanks! |
| 13:23.15 | shingouz | wtf? we have an echo here? |
| 13:23.16 | absentage | wtf? we have an echo here? |
| 13:23.22 | AndroidData | uh |
| 13:23.22 | absentage | uh |
| 13:23.25 | AndroidData | No Comment. |
| 13:23.26 | absentage | No Comment. |
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| 13:23.36 | shingouz | thank you :) |
| 13:23.37 | OPU|Leviathan | any ideas? |
| 13:23.50 | OPU|Leviathan | i installed debian but need X |
| 13:24.16 | shingouz | OPU|Leviathan: x-window-system perhaps? |
| 13:24.49 | OPU|Leviathan | ty |
| 13:24.54 | shingouz | np |
| 13:24.56 | OPU|Leviathan | som1 wrote it wrong |
| 13:25.13 | Codemaster_ | AndroiData ... it was not what you asked for ? |
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| 13:25.46 | syntaxx | is it possible to mount .iso file? |
| 13:25.57 | ph00 | yes |
| 13:25.59 | shingouz | syntaxx: yes it is. -o loop |
| 13:26.15 | syntaxx | thanks |
| 13:26.40 | evilgeek | azeem: a stupid question perhaps, but what's the purpose of a ban without a kick? |
| 13:26.55 | azeem | evilgeek: it quiets the nick |
| 13:27.01 | ph00 | mount -t iso9660 -o loop /path/to/iso.iso /path/to/mountpoint (I'm not 100% sure but it must be something like that) |
| 13:27.08 | evilgeek | (i've seen people ban <funny-character>*!*@stuff to shut people up, but yeah.) |
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| 13:27.21 | evilgeek | ah. |
| 13:27.36 | peterS | evilgeek: when you see that, it's a +q flag, which I believe is only supported on a few networks like freenode |
| 13:27.56 | peterS | evilgeek: it's like a ban except that it doesn't actually prevent the person from re-joining if they get disconnected. just keeps them from talking. |
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| 13:29.09 | dan2 | hey peterS |
| 13:29.26 | peterS | dan2: whoa ... where'd you come from? I haven't seen you in like ... many months |
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| 13:32.11 | ph00 | I'm still trying to get the damn java to use the right jre/jvm or whatever it is... |
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| 13:32.54 | w0ls0n | hi all. |
| 13:33.24 | ph00 | I hate having to ask something in the #java channel |
| 13:33.25 | w0ls0n | I am helping someone with their Debian box and I am a FreeBSD user. |
| 13:33.36 | w0ls0n | How do I find out if perl with suid is installed? |
| 13:33.42 | w0ls0n | or even if perl is installed? |
| 13:33.57 | ph00 | try running something that requires it? |
| 13:34.07 | Pryon | ls -l `which perl` |
| 13:34.09 | realist | w0ls0n: dpkg -l |grep perl |
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| 13:34.42 | w0ls0n | okay next question, how can I install perl with suid |
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| 13:35.09 | Pryon | apt-cache search perl | grep suid |
| 13:35.33 | peterS | Pryon: simpler and does pretty much the same thing: apt-cache search suid perl |
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| 13:35.56 | realist | apt-get install perl-suid |
| 13:35.58 | realist | perhaps? |
| 13:36.04 | w0ls0n | NICE |
| 13:36.07 | w0ls0n | TYTY |
| 13:36.16 | realist | w0ls0n: you're welcome |
| 13:36.21 | Pryon | Interesting. Both return perl-suid and one other package, but the other package is different in each case. |
| 13:36.25 | realist | Nice to see another BSD user here by the way ;-) |
| 13:37.11 | w0ls0n | freebsdrocks.net is a new site im working on |
| 13:37.53 | realist | I use all of openbsd/freebsd/debian/ubuntu for work |
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| 13:38.16 | realist | Have to say, much love for dpkg + apt |
| 13:38.35 | w0ls0n | I only use freebsd on my production boxes here. I just got vmware installed and im trying debain out to install something proprietary |
| 13:38.37 | realist | Has made me so lazy, I've almost forgotten how to manually compile from source ;p |
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| 13:39.17 | realist | We use openbsd for network ops, freebsd file/application servers |
| 13:39.30 | realist | A few purpose built debain servers |
| 13:39.40 | realist | A few Ubuntu desktops |
| 13:39.58 | realist | Some in-house propriatry products running on linux too |
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| 13:41.33 | roby | I have apache2 installed, how do I turn this service off without removing it? |
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| 13:42.45 | realist | oops |
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| 13:43.02 | realist | accidently typed /quit |
| 13:43.04 | CaptainNuss | dpkg: nvidia |
| 13:43.04 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 13:43.15 | CaptainNuss | dpkg: nvidia one-liner |
| 13:43.16 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 13:43.36 | realist | CaptainNuss: what was the IRC network #debian migrated to? |
| 13:43.42 | azeem | CaptainNuss: please /msg dpkg |
| 13:44.10 | sep | realist, irc.debian.org |
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| 13:44.27 | CaptainNuss | azeem: right. sorry :) |
| 13:44.37 | CaptainNuss | realist: i'm not sure i understand |
| 13:44.42 | realist | sep, oh of course :-) |
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| 13:44.57 | realist | Forgot that was a CNAME |
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| 13:46.28 | OPU|Leviathan | configure: error: X Window System or development libraries not found. Make sure you have headers and libraries installed! |
| 13:46.35 | OPU|Leviathan | i just installed X |
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| 13:47.18 | azeem | OPU|Leviathan: you need the development packages |
| 13:47.56 | OPU|Leviathan | so that i can use icevm? |
| 13:48.02 | OPU|Leviathan | u know the apt-get cmd for it ?? |
| 13:48.10 | azeem | OPU|Leviathan: apt-get install icewm |
| 13:48.17 | Dantix | can anyone point me to a "how to" implement a pppoe server on debian? |
| 13:48.20 | OPU|Leviathan | no i have icevm |
| 13:48.25 | OPU|Leviathan | i get that error on config |
| 13:48.35 | OPU|Leviathan | of it |
| 13:48.35 | azeem | OPU|Leviathan: so why do you need to build from source? |
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| 13:49.41 | OPU|Leviathan | just though i had to |
| 13:49.45 | azeem | no |
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| 13:50.38 | sep | OPU|Leviathan, just apt-get install icewm like all other software in debian |
| 13:50.45 | Condector | hey, a few time ago, a user tell me about one Debian with suport to SATA system... |
| 13:50.48 | OPU|Leviathan | ok ty |
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| 13:51.29 | Condector | anyone can help me? |
| 13:51.31 | sep | OPU|Leviathan, if there is a pice of software you want search for it with apt-cache search icewm then you see if something matches |
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| 13:53.36 | ph00 | how do I manually add a path those that update-alternatives --config java looks at? |
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| 13:55.44 | erf | Hey, how do I solve: FATAL: Module ipv6 not found. |
| 13:56.25 | erf | modprobe ipv6 |
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| 13:57.21 | azeem | what problem are you trying to solve with `modprobe ipv6'? |
| 13:57.35 | erf | Seeing if I have IPv6 |
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| 13:57.41 | erf | Trying to setup an IPv6 tunnel |
| 13:57.50 | azeem | erf: did you compile your kernel yourself? |
| 13:58.08 | erf | No, It was compiled from my VPS provider |
| 13:58.13 | erf | It's a xen vps. |
| 13:58.26 | azeem | so tell them to build the ipv6 module as well |
| 13:58.55 | erf | 2.6.16-xen |
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| 13:59.00 | ph00 | what a bunch of assholes |
| 13:59.10 | ph00 | not you guys |
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| 13:59.19 | ph00 | I mean ppl on #java |
| 13:59.35 | loumz | hey, anyone have experience setting up svnserve to run on startup using an init script? |
| 13:59.37 | azeem | ph00: so keep it there |
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| 14:00.08 | ph00 | where? what? |
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| 14:00.24 | erf | test -f /proc/net/if_inet6 && echo "Running kernel is IPv6 ready" returns that it exists. |
| 14:01.04 | azeem | erf: so they probably compiled it in |
| 14:01.07 | ph00 | I tried to get some help about the stupid java but all they could do was talking about how debian sucks |
| 14:02.07 | syntaxx | is there a virtual cd rom drive on linux? ^^ |
| 14:02.29 | _gmak | ok i am at a 60% - 40% dilemma to choose debian over ubuntu |
| 14:02.34 | erf | azeem, and how do I solve my original problem of modprobe -a returning "FATAL: Module ipv6 not found." |
| 14:02.42 | _gmak | the idea is to use testing though |
| 14:02.56 | _gmak | stable is too outdated for my liking on some things |
| 14:03.04 | azeem | erf: it is not a problem, running modprobe seems to be a solution to a problem which does not exist |
| 14:03.07 | roby | _gmak: then you'd have to choose debian... ubuntu is basted on unstable i believe |
| 14:03.20 | azeem | roby: that's a non-sequitur |
| 14:03.25 | erf | Ok. |
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| 14:03.42 | _gmak | i cannot find the testing isos roby |
| 14:03.56 | ph00 | anyways,problem is this: when I try to run java -jar the system keeps using java 1.4 gij but I need sun's 1.5, which I have installed, but I can't configure the system to use it, it works only fro running java stuff in the browser. I did update-alternatives --config java but I didn't get the option to select my install. anyone can help with this? |
| 14:03.56 | _gmak | sequitur is latin :P |
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| 14:04.16 | azeem | roby: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29 |
| 14:04.17 | signuts | Any folk familiar w/ mdadm and software raid5 on debian here? |
| 14:04.34 | ph00 | non-sequitur is kinda on sense in Latin, two things that don't match |
| 14:04.36 | ph00 | nonsense |
| 14:04.55 | peterS | the latin term does not have a hyphen: "non sequitur" |
| 14:05.09 | ph00 | some day I'll learn to keep my mouth (fingers) shut... |
| 14:05.10 | _gmak | yes peterS that is correct |
| 14:05.11 | ph00 | pters yes |
| 14:05.19 | ph00 | no hyphens in latin |
| 14:05.29 | ph00 | I spelled it wrong, sorry |
| 14:05.29 | _gmak | veritas filia temporis |
| 14:05.35 | peterS | I only remember this so clearly because I'm usually such a pedant but someone caught me saying 'non-sequitur' once |
| 14:06.18 | ph00 | that must be someone who caught you "typing" thet (how do you pronounce a hyphen?) |
| 14:06.27 | ph00 | now, who's pedant? |
| 14:06.28 | peterS | ph00: of course it was typing. you think I talk to people in _real life_? |
| 14:06.37 | ph00 | hehe |
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| 14:07.04 | ph00 | anyone can help me with that java thing? |
| 14:07.09 | _gmak | so where do i find isos for the testing debian branch please |
| 14:07.15 | _gmak | the packages there are up to date |
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| 14:07.26 | peterS | _gmak: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:08.30 | sengun | who generates /etc/kernel-img.conf ? |
| 14:08.57 | _gmak | peterS: which one of the testing isos? weekly or the first one |
| 14:09.03 | roby | well, i don't see how my response was non sequitur :) |
| 14:09.05 | peterS | _gmak: read the page |
| 14:09.18 | peterS | it should give you enough information to decide which snapshot you want |
| 14:09.45 | _gmak | well for production i know that you guys would not reccomend a testing branch |
| 14:09.52 | _gmak | but thing is the stable branch is butt - old |
| 14:10.07 | _gmak | i would have to recompile all my favourite apps :s |
| 14:10.09 | peterS | you define a year and a half as butt-old? |
| 14:10.13 | ph00 | [way off topic] is Easter Island part of Chile? |
| 14:10.17 | peterS | ph00: yes |
| 14:10.32 | _gmak | peterS: when it gets stuck on majorly used apps yeah |
| 14:10.38 | peterS | ph00: it's also known as Rapa Nui |
| 14:10.45 | _gmak | gnome is still in 2.8 for exampl |
| 14:10.48 | _gmak | e* |
| 14:10.55 | ph00 | it was before the europeans got there |
| 14:11.08 | ph00 | that's as far from chile as mexico... |
| 14:11.25 | peterS | _gmak: did linux work well for you 2 years ago? if so, at what point did it suddenly stop working? |
| 14:12.00 | _gmak | peterS: linux has always worked for me |
| 14:12.04 | _gmak | and freebsd too |
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| 14:12.21 | _gmak | i am only looking for having some shoe polish too mate for the desktop that is all |
| 14:12.29 | peterS | _gmak: does your software expire? does it stop working? I am having trouble understanding what it is about debian sarge which worked 2 years ago but doesn't work now |
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| 14:12.57 | _gmak | peterS: well, why not use gnome 2.14 for example in the stable branch as an upgrade |
| 14:13.01 | _gmak | that is what i am talking |
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| 14:13.06 | peterS | _gmak: because that will break people's working systems |
| 14:13.07 | _gmak | it is not available in the backports |
| 14:13.24 | _gmak | and here is the catch |
| 14:13.29 | peterS | _gmak: I know red hat and gentoo and suse are all about breaking your working system from time to time, but debian tries very hard to avoid that |
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| 14:13.52 | _gmak | i know, and many people are thankful for debian's presence |
| 14:13.59 | roby | peterS: do you know if sarge is still using oss for sound, where as latest testings use alsa? |
| 14:14.03 | _gmak | gentoo is not what I would use in any case |
| 14:14.08 | peterS | roby: you can use either one in sarge |
| 14:14.17 | _gmak | peterS: how is multimedia support in debian btw |
| 14:14.31 | roby | peterS: is the default oss?how does one switch between the two in sarge? |
| 14:14.36 | peterS | _gmak: what do you mean by 'multimedia'? I can see pictures and hear sound. what does multimedia mean to you? |
| 14:14.49 | _gmak | dvd playback, HE- |
| 14:14.55 | ph00 | what repos sources shoud I use to *always* get the "right" packages? |
| 14:15.00 | _gmak | HE-AAC VBR / DTS |
| 14:15.09 | _gmak | that sort of stuff |
| 14:15.10 | peterS | roby: the default depends on the kernel you chose to install. if you chose linux 2.4.27, I don't think the alsa drivers are installed by default |
| 14:15.16 | amphi | _gmak: mplayer works perfectly here, but there are no official debian packages |
| 14:15.18 | _gmak | and thank you for your time |
| 14:15.29 | roby | I need to go back to sarge, cus sound workd perefecly there... and alsa is blowing up on me in testing |
| 14:15.37 | _gmak | amphi: you have libdts? |
| 14:15.52 | roby | thanks for your help peterS |
| 14:16.07 | Tallu | Hmm I've been using sarge for some time now.. I think it's time for me to try testing out.. I can always roll back if it doesnt work out for me. :) So if I change all my sources to etch now it'll become stable in december? |
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| 14:16.50 | peterS | _gmak: yes, libdts is in stable |
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| 14:19.13 | Matias | Hi, I'm new to debian. I've installed debian from the netinst cd and it's booted in the very stripped installation. I've figured out how to use aptitude, but it suddenly asks for a cdrom which i dont have any more.. can I somehow deactivate this and force it to use the network? |
| 14:19.31 | Baughn | Matias: Yes; edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:19.37 | Baughn | Matias: Then rerun apt-get update |
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| 14:21.57 | azeem | dpkg: xgl is also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9FgLr9oTk |
| 14:21.58 | dpkg | that's too long, azeem |
| 14:22.08 | azeem | whatever. |
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| 14:22.46 | Matias | Baughn: thanks, I've found the entry, so I'll see if it'll work :) |
| 14:22.50 | stew | azeem: the videos are on the wiki page anyway |
| 14:24.07 | GoAuLd | wiki moki loki |
| 14:24.17 | GoAuLd | tururu |
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| 14:25.31 | ph00 | hey! the thing is "not recognizing" file formats in .so |
| 14:25.34 | roby | Hey, I'm remotely connect to my box by ssh... is it possible to somehow install sarge remotely at thsi point? |
| 14:25.39 | ph00 | what do I need to install? |
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| 14:27.35 | ericP_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.17 | Tallu | 548 upgraded, 276 newly installed, 35 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 14:28.17 | Tallu | Need to get 474MB of archives. |
| 14:28.27 | Tallu | oh wow.. :( this is going to take a while on 256/256 |
| 14:28.38 | ericP_ | am kinda working around the wireless (on an uncomfortably short teather) but have no idesa what device name now handles the synaptics driver |
| 14:29.03 | mr_claus_ | is it possible to increase the nfs performance while copying a lot of small files? |
| 14:29.08 | five0` | Tallu: utilise someone elses bandwidth and implement apt-move :) |
| 14:29.15 | mr_claus_ | i tested the performance with on big 300mb file now |
| 14:29.22 | mr_claus_ | 2 sec to read and 4 sec to write |
| 14:29.29 | Baughn | Is there a 2.6.18-based bootcd somewhere I could use to install with? I've got a jmicron PATA controller, so nothing older will work.. and yes, I know it's not officially out yet. |
| 14:29.36 | _gmak | peterS: i will give a go for stable |
| 14:29.40 | ericP_ | also, i plugged in a usbmouse, installed the module, saw friendly looking messages, but still none of /dev/input/{mice,mouse{0,1,2,3}} connect to devices |
| 14:30.20 | _gmak | after all, all i want is a functional desktop, i will go on compiling what I do not have or want to have :s |
| 14:30.27 | five0` | ericP_: you could use evdev if you're using xorg |
| 14:30.29 | Tallu | five0`: hehe nah.. i'll just leave the house for 10 hours and come back and hope they've downloaded :P this is supposed to be 8/1 mbit connection but the isp messed something up pretty bad hehe |
| 14:30.47 | ericP_ | (am now working from a text console with the unlikely irc prompt "Are you sure you want to quit (Y/N)?" -- things aren't going well) |
| 14:30.54 | Baughn | Tallu: You have, of course, read them the riot act? |
| 14:31.43 | ericP_ | five0, looking fro a module or a device in /dev called "evdev"... |
| 14:31.49 | Tallu | Baughn: well, I've been fighting with them for 1,5 months with no luck.. I'm having the line changed to another isp by the end of the month though |
| 14:32.35 | Baughn | Tallu: You should be able to get your money back too. You have not, after all, gotten what you paid for. |
| 14:33.23 | Tallu | Baughn: heh well. I'm not paying anything for this connection.. even they agreed on it. But they just can't fix it because they accidentally deleted all my records or something |
| 14:33.44 | Baughn | Tallu: Well, that's pretty ridiculous |
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| 14:33.57 | Baughn | Tallu: If you're not paying for it, perhaps you should keep it and just add another one. ;) |
| 14:34.31 | Tallu | Baughn: yeah it is ridiculous. well that'd mean i'd have to pull another copper line here, and I really don't want to do that |
| 14:34.33 | ericP_ | five0, rmmod'ing and modprobing evdev didn't manifest in /var/log/{dmesg,syslog} or a change in /proc/devices -- what should i be looking for? |
| 14:34.55 | Tallu | Baughn: next wires i'll be pulling here will be optic fibre, someday, somehow ;) |
| 14:35.02 | Baughn | Tallu: Fii foo fum. Around here, we're about ready to start dragging fiber home. |
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| 14:35.52 | cahoot | ericP_: nothing in /dev/input? |
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| 14:36.01 | Tallu | Baughn: they're not offering that too openly here yet.. because they're getting such good prices from dsl they have no reason to offer anything better. like they can charge a company 250 euros for a 2,5mbit shdsl... |
| 14:36.06 | Baughn | Tallu: I'm quite looking forward to having a 12/12 network line. :P |
| 14:36.36 | Baughn | Tallu: What, no competition? |
| 14:36.51 | Tallu | Baughn: I sure could use one right about now. Heh, even a 8/3 dsl would be just fine. Anything would be fine compared to what I have now |
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| 14:37.24 | Baughn | Tallu: Any company in the city could get 12/12 for ~130 euros a month. Not including the 1K required to drag the fiber inside, but still.. |
| 14:37.27 | Tallu | Baughn: not enough.. they just started bringing down the prices on dsl a year or two ago, because a new isp started offering it cheaper as they had just brought new dslams.. |
| 14:37.35 | _gmak | peterS: debian stops at gcc 3.4.3 versions in stable, correct? |
| 14:37.43 | Tallu | Baughn: just 1k? I think it's around 8 here.. hehe |
| 14:37.54 | peterS | _gmak: I can't remember for sure. that sounds about right. |
| 14:38.06 | Baughn | Tallu: No, it's 500. I hadn't checked in a while. |
| 14:38.15 | _gmak | hmm i wanted some 4.x stuff lol no problem though |
| 14:38.18 | ericP_ | cahoot, /dev/input/event1 is tied to my synaptics, but is gpm or X supposed to drink directly from that? |
| 14:38.21 | peterS | _gmak: yeah, 3.4.3-13, and 4.x is not available. |
| 14:38.22 | Tallu | Baughn: that sounds nice. Where's there? I'm ordering plane tickets. ;) |
| 14:38.35 | Baughn | Tallu: Tromsø, the supposed back end of Norway. :P |
| 14:38.57 | _gmak | peterS: your opinion about testing? |
| 14:38.57 | Tallu | Baughn: ahh nice, never been to norway but met some great fellows from there :) |
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| 14:39.31 | peterS | _gmak: works great most of the time. breaks sometimes. I use unstable. |
| 14:39.42 | ericP_ | cahoot, any idea what kind of protocol (or, more directly, what type to specify to gpm) if i read from /dev/input/event1 ? |
| 14:39.43 | Baughn | Is there a 2.6.18 bootcd somewhere I could use to install with? |
| 14:39.54 | peterS | ericP_: gpm doesn't support evdev yet |
| 14:40.08 | _gmak | peterS: define a major situtation you had with testing and/or unstable |
| 14:40.10 | peterS | ericP_: which means it can't read directly from /dev/input/event* |
| 14:40.11 | _gmak | situation* |
| 14:40.20 | ericP_ | cahoot, note, all the mouse* and /dev/mice devices give me a "no such device" |
| 14:40.31 | ericP_ | peterS, can i get X to read from it? |
| 14:40.44 | ericP_ | or is it just supported by cat... |
| 14:40.55 | azeem | do you have mousedev loaded? |
| 14:41.02 | peterS | _gmak: I don't have problems with testing or unstable because I know how to fix systems, and I don't tend to run desktop bloatware. the problems people report about newish debian snapshots tend to be related to xorg and gnome and kde and such |
| 14:41.31 | ericP_ | azeem, that was it. tx! |
| 14:41.34 | mtomczak | So I just constructed a machine from discarded scrap this week. It's mostly working, but I think my NIC might be hosed strangely... Does anyone know of a network utility or web service that will route some data to your machine and then have you feed it back to verify that the round-trip is stable? |
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| 14:41.49 | peterS | ericP_: the xserver-xorg-input-evdev package supports it, if you're using unstable |
| 14:41.50 | Baughn | mtomczak: ping. :P |
| 14:42.14 | peterS | ericP_: but azeem's suggestion to use /dev/input/mice instead is probably simpler, both for gpm and for X |
| 14:42.25 | mtomczak | Bughn: That's the weird part... ping works! |
| 14:42.40 | _gmak | peterS: i only need a regular SLIM gnome or kde desktop; no fancy stuff; mostly interested in Java/C#/C++ working environments without problems because of missing libraries in the "developer tools" section of the distro |
| 14:42.52 | _gmak | i know how to fix things too, but i do not want to have to do it mate, that is all |
| 14:42.55 | mtomczak | But when I go to a website, text comes in fine but images are corrupted. I think my NIC might be corrupting a tiny percentage of bits at the post-verify stage. |
| 14:42.59 | _gmak | do not always have the time for that |
| 14:43.03 | ph00 | how do I keep firefox to switch focus to the google search box if goole's page finishes loading while I'm typing in the address box ? |
| 14:43.11 | ericP_ | peterS, yeah, chasing that down. got the mouse-all-over-the-page effect in X which, iirc, is a problem when using gpmdata incorrectly |
| 14:43.20 | _gmak | so if you are using a particular flavour of testing / unstable that is relatively ok, i would be glad to take on that bandwagon |
| 14:43.21 | ph00 | you didn't understand much did you? |
| 14:43.27 | mtomczak | (I should have been clearer: when I say "discarded scrap" I mean "Someone slam-dunked this case into a municipal garbage bin") ;) |
| 14:43.29 | Baughn | mtomczak: That doesn't sound quite right - your OS verifies CRCs on all tcp packets at least |
| 14:43.31 | madclicker | how do i mark a message unread in mutt? |
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| 14:43.35 | ericP_ | peterS, though now (post mousedev) i have gpm support on the console |
| 14:43.36 | ph00 | I'll try to say that again, and in English |
| 14:43.37 | peterS | madclicker: N |
| 14:43.50 | madclicker | peterS, Thanks |
| 14:43.52 | Baughn | mtomczak: Have you run memtest86+ on it? |
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| 14:44.10 | Baughn | mtomczak: For that matter, can it compile Linux successfully? |
| 14:44.21 | peterS | ericP_: yeah if you're using kernel 2.6 there is little reason to use /dev/gpmdata at all. may as well tell gpm _not_ to use the repeater, and tell X to use /dev/input/mice directly. |
| 14:44.50 | ericP_ | peterS, tx for the advice. taking same... |
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| 14:45.08 | mtomczak | Baughn: It installed alright from CD, but I did a binary-install from a complete-enough distro. During the install, it did fail to connect to the repository to pull updates. |
| 14:45.15 | peterS | ericP_: in case you missed it, the protocol names in gpm and X are "exps2" and "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 14:45.23 | madclicker | peterS, I have a message marked with "D" i need to unmark it but if I go to it the curser skips to the next message? |
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| 14:45.33 | ph00 | I launch firefox, start typing something in the addres field, but in the meanttime google.com loads (it's my home page) so it finishes loading while I'm still typing, it switches the focus to the google search box and I finish end up typing half the address in the address files and the other half in the google searchbox. ho do I keep it from doing that focus switch thing? |
| 14:45.37 | Baughn | mtomczak: Binary install are notorious for working even on slightly-broken MBs or CPUs. |
| 14:45.41 | peterS | madclicker: J K for moving up and down without skipping deleted messages |
| 14:45.50 | Baughn | mtomczak: I suspect that's what's happened, to be honest |
| 14:46.00 | peterS | madclicker: j k (lowercase) are the same as up / down arrows |
| 14:46.14 | peterS | madclicker: or you can go directly to a message by typing its number and hitting Enter |
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| 14:46.52 | madclicker | peterS, last one, ..removing the "D" |
| 14:46.58 | peterS | madclicker: u |
| 14:47.24 | madclicker | peterS, thank you for your input |
| 14:47.33 | peterS | np |
| 14:47.56 | mtomczak | Buaghn: Thanks :) I'll give that a look. |
| 14:48.06 | five0` | are any of you familiar with the following error? (this is a fresh installation of sarge on lvm2/raid1 : no noticeable problems) devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc |
| 14:48.24 | mtomczak | memtest86+ I've never tried... will I need to pull that in, or should it be in my install? |
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| 14:49.18 | Baughn | mtomczak: It'll be a separate boot cd/disk. Google. |
| 14:50.29 | syntaxx | im trying to install a 4 cd software using wine but when the first cd installed it search for cd2 how can i do that? |
| 14:51.06 | Baughn | syntaxx: Um, insert cd 2? |
| 14:51.13 | five0` | is it possible to mirror both a release and it's corresponding security-branch with apt-move? |
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| 14:51.50 | syntaxx | Baughn: it says cannot find installer |
| 14:52.14 | Baughn | syntaxx: Then I wouldn't know. You're not installing it with apt-get, are you? |
| 14:52.37 | syntaxx | Baughn: i just said im installing it with wine :D |
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| 14:52.59 | mtomczak | Sounds good. Thank you! |
| 14:53.01 | Baughn | syntaxx: Rihgt. I'm no expert in malfunctioning windows programs, I'm happy to say. |
| 14:53.08 | Baughn | syntaxx: Check the wine database. |
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| 14:53.55 | gniretar_work | hi all |
| 14:54.11 | gniretar_work | what is the correct way to add an entry to /etc/ld.so.conf using a deb? |
| 14:54.37 | gniretar_work | should i just write some perl to check for the entry and if its not there then add it? |
| 14:54.47 | gniretar_work | is that considered safe? |
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| 14:55.55 | ericP_ | ahh, now working in a reasonable sized console under irssi -- ready to attack my ipw2200 (preseumed) firmware problems. tx peterS, cahoots, and someone else |
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| 14:59.55 | YeTr2 | does anyone know of any work in debian on iptables extensions and how to install them properly? |
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| 15:01.07 | pp | Hi folks, anyone here use maconlinux? |
| 15:01.19 | gniretar_work | nope, i want to try it out tho |
| 15:01.28 | realist | pp, yes I have. |
| 15:01.43 | pp | its pretty cool |
| 15:01.56 | realist | On a G4 Mac running Ubuntu, incidently |
| 15:01.59 | pp | Anyone know how I can start it up in windowed mode instead of full screen mode? |
| 15:02.30 | pp | I just re-installed it and now it defaults to full screen mode |
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| 15:03.29 | pp | realist did you compile the modules? |
| 15:03.44 | shingouz | pp: is this debian? |
| 15:03.48 | realist | pp: I didn't actually set it up. |
| 15:03.50 | pp | ubuntu |
| 15:03.57 | Tallu | Heh. Now upgrading from sarge to etch.. bit nervous. Will have to see how it goes. :P |
| 15:03.57 | shingouz | pp: #ubuntu |
| 15:04.04 | pp | :-) |
| 15:04.05 | realist | pp: you're probably better asking in #ubuntu |
| 15:04.15 | realist | Or reading the maconlinux docs |
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| 15:05.09 | pp | yeah the problem is that my keyboard hasn't been mapped properly, just the default |
| 15:05.15 | berzerka | what do i have to put into fstab to make an ext2 partition user-mountable and in also writable for that user? i always get root:root as owner, and i dont see any ext2-options like uid=, gid= in man mount. |
| 15:05.36 | pp | but there must be a way of starting it up in windowed mode |
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| 15:06.15 | shingouz | pp: really. you run ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu. ubunbtu and debian are not the same |
| 15:06.31 | pp | almost the same |
| 15:06.39 | zinx | pp: #ubuntu |
| 15:06.51 | pp | you guys crack me up |
| 15:06.51 | Tallu | !tell pp about based on debian |
| 15:07.04 | shingouz | pp: yeah... and if you buy yourself a ford you probably go have it serviced at the local gm 'because they both have four wheels' |
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| 15:07.28 | Ronin | pp: how about go to #redhat and ask about mandriva |
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| 15:07.37 | azeem | pp: you're free to ask questions in here, but please do not expect answers |
| 15:07.53 | azeem | most people in here chose to support people running Debian, not Ubuntu |
| 15:07.55 | pp | listen guys no need to take the piss mol on ubuntu is the same as mol on debian |
| 15:08.01 | eps | I want to know what the sed command cut off the first five chars (inc whitespace) of around 1000 files is if any one feels nice and wants to construct it for me :D |
| 15:08.04 | Tallu | Or we could have debian forward to ##windows and ask our questions there.. after all, they both run on a pc! |
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| 15:08.19 | Ronin | pp: no its not the same as debian, thats our point |
| 15:08.27 | eps | Tallu windows runs? since when? :P |
| 15:08.37 | dendrite | pp: Put another way, the vast majority of issues we see are configuration based. And, configuration is the MAJOR difference between one Linux and the next, including Debian derivitives. |
| 15:08.39 | Tallu | eps: haha :P |
| 15:08.54 | azeem | pp: what does dpkg -l mol say? |
| 15:09.06 | ph00 | how do I rout *all* connections thru tor? I aldready used the net proxy configuration tool in the menu/preferences but I'm afraid that not everything is going thru tor. how do I check that? |
| 15:09.29 | ph00 | route* |
| 15:09.42 | eps | through* |
| 15:09.44 | eps | already* |
| 15:09.44 | pp | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 15:09.44 | pp | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 15:09.45 | pp | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 15:09.45 | pp | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 15:09.45 | pp | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
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| 15:09.55 | peterS | oh, one of the _intelligent_ ubuntu users |
| 15:10.03 | Ronin | everyone raise your hands if you didnt see that coming |
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| 15:10.20 | eps | peterS hey I'm one of those! ...which is why I use debian :) |
| 15:10.22 | shingouz | i love debhelper |
| 15:10.24 | waylandbill | shingouz: if you've got cash I bet the gm dealer would be more than happy to work on your ford. ;-) |
| 15:10.29 | realist | Ronin: apparently it was inevitable :-) |
| 15:10.54 | shingouz | waylandbill: doesnt change the fact that it is still a ford :p |
| 15:11.26 | waylandbill | for sure |
| 15:11.31 | eps | gm dealers happily service fords in many cases, there is nothing in the service contracts about it...though I recommend not doing it cause all their data is for gm cars |
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| 15:12.03 | five0` | are any of you familiar with the following error? (this is a fresh installation of sarge on lvm2/raid1 with no noticeable problems) "devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc" |
| 15:12.05 | peterS | eps: it's not, however, a very good idea to ask the GM dealer whether they will honor the Ford warranty and do your work for free |
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| 15:12.38 | eps | peterS yes it is, to see if they will laugh at you or to see if they will laugh at you and ring the nice men in the white coats to take you awar |
| 15:12.40 | ericP_ | allright, that wasn't too convincing looking on my irc client |
| 15:12.40 | eps | away* |
| 15:13.04 | peterS | "they're made of meta!" |
| 15:13.10 | eps | kk so I think I have the right sed command to get rid of the first five chars in a file name...now how do I get it to run through all files in a dir? |
| 15:13.24 | peterS | eps: rename 's/.....//' * |
| 15:13.24 | shingouz | it's full of meta? :p |
| 15:13.38 | peterS | eps: the 'rename' command is great. it's perl, not sed, but it's still great. |
| 15:13.40 | eps | mmm rename? *mans* |
| 15:14.00 | eps | ah nice, it's not sed but it does what I want :D |
| 15:14.05 | eps | thx |
| 15:15.05 | kth`` | Hello, is there a cpu underclocking tool under linux? I've a ECS k7som with a soldered in ~800mhz cpu that's overclocked to 1ghz that heats up to 80C in minutes and does random panics/bsods if I don't use cpucool(over/underclocking tool for windows) to underclock it, is there a similar tool that runs under linux? |
| 15:15.06 | cahoot | peterS: what happends to the file with an 5 char name? |
| 15:15.11 | eps | perfect! :D *hugs his now rightly named files* |
| 15:15.32 | peterS | cahoot: try it and see. I'm guessing that file will be untouched because the kernel will return an error |
| 15:15.33 | eps | kth`` underclock it in bios? |
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| 15:16.21 | PepperBob | hi all |
| 15:16.25 | eps | hi |
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| 15:17.18 | kth`` | eps; I've no options for anything cpu related in bios... Though... You remind me that I should probably look for a bios upgrade, may be they made one in the later updates, thanks |
| 15:17.22 | PepperBob | i know this question isn't a debian one.. but when i have a RAID. are the harddrives connected to it seen as one single device? |
| 15:17.51 | stew | PepperBob: yes, each raid array appears as a single partitionable drive |
| 15:17.52 | peterS | PepperBob: depends on what sort of RAID it is |
| 15:18.08 | stew | PepperBob: (yeah that is assuming it is real RAID and not fakeraid) |
| 15:18.35 | PepperBob | peterS: yes real raid over a real raid controller. no software raid or stuff like that... it's a raid 1 |
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| 15:18.56 | peterS | PepperBob: then most likely your raid controller will present the OS with a single emulated SCSI disk, /dev/sda or whatever. |
| 15:19.02 | shingouz | PepperBob: each array looks like a drive to the system then |
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| 15:19.17 | PepperBob | ah okay. thank you! that was helpful. |
| 15:19.20 | tosco | hi all |
| 15:19.23 | eps | hi |
| 15:19.30 | pp | ubuntu is too easy to install so the folks over at #ubuntu aren't as helpful :-) |
| 15:19.49 | azeem | pp: please do not paste in here more than 1 or 2 lines |
| 15:19.49 | peterS | pp: the one doesn't follow from the other. there could be many reasons they aren't as helpful |
| 15:19.54 | pp | k |
| 15:19.58 | azeem | pp: we all know the first three lines of dpkg -l output |
| 15:19.59 | blondie | pp: don't come here for ubuntu help ;) |
| 15:20.06 | shingouz | tempting... very tempting.. the /ignore... |
| 15:20.47 | tosco | i need to configure my apache for libapache-asp-perl, it's installed but i can't load my asp files, have another configuration? |
| 15:21.04 | Nosf3ratu | Is there a definite method of changing between wireless identities? e.g. taking your debian laptop from your home to a coffee shop and easily flipping between the two networks? |
| 15:21.53 | pp | Nosf3ratu: System --> Administration --> Networking |
| 15:21.57 | peterS | Nosf3ratu: apt-cache search laptop network config |
| 15:22.01 | pp | set up locations |
| 15:22.08 | peterS | Nosf3ratu: there's like 600 implementations of that concept in debian |
| 15:22.13 | peterS | take your pick |
| 15:22.17 | Nosf3ratu | pp, please don't give me some GUI stuff. |
| 15:22.21 | Nosf3ratu | Thanks peterS. |
| 15:22.22 | realist | pp: debian isn't ubuntu |
| 15:22.36 | eps | ubuntu users aren't as helpful as they aren't as knowledgeable about their distro ... if you aim some thing at newbs that is who you will get in your support community, though it is nice to see that the ubuntu community has a decent mixture - they just can't help with anything really advanced |
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| 15:23.16 | mr_claus_ | is there any way to increase the performance of nfsv3 to handle a lot of small files or do i have to upgrade to nfsv4 or any other remote filesystem? |
| 15:23.20 | pp | eps: totally |
| 15:23.23 | stew | eps: please keep it on topic |
| 15:23.46 | eps | stew I'm just pointing out the blatant to pp as he seemed to miss it |
| 15:24.25 | stew | eps: and i'm asking you not to |
| 15:24.29 | pp | eps i said the same as you but the debian nazis disagreed |
| 15:24.38 | YeTr2 | kth``: you could consider seeing if you can throttle down the cpu, or see if there is a jumper configuration to lower the multipier or bus speed |
| 15:24.42 | azeem | pp: look, please keep it down, ok? |
| 15:24.46 | pp | k |
| 15:24.51 | eps | stew and I'm noticing you're asking me not to say anything, want to state it again? |
| 15:25.05 | azeem | pp: you have failed to provide detailed version information of your mol package up till now |
| 15:25.09 | Nosf3ratu | peterS, have you personally used any of these? There _are_ quite a few... |
| 15:25.18 | peterS | Nosf3ratu: I don't have a laptop, so no |
| 15:25.31 | Nosf3ratu | Alright :) |
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| 15:25.53 | pp | azeem Mac-on-Linux 0.9.70 |
| 15:26.11 | stew | eps: huh? i'm asking you to keep your comments on topic. i'm not sure why you would want me to repeat that. |
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| 15:26.14 | jelly | Is there something like google desktop, but for Linux? |
| 15:26.23 | waylandbill | Nosf3ratu: you'll just have to up the number of strikes higher than 3 and try em all. |
| 15:26.27 | azeem | pp: the package version, not the upstream version |
| 15:26.31 | tosco | i need to configure my apache for libapache-asp-perl, it's installed but i can't load my asp files, have another configuration? |
| 15:26.35 | eps | stew thanks |
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| 15:28.11 | pp | azeem: what's the difference? to packages come it different configurations hence different versions? |
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| 15:28.17 | pp | do* |
| 15:28.34 | peterS | pp: if you don't want to supply any information, fine. you're not making it easy for anyone to have any desire to help you, though. |
| 15:28.37 | azeem | pp: Debian and Ubuntu modify packages, you know |
| 15:28.39 | eps | pp work it out for yourself...try and use ndiswrapper from ubuntu on debian or debians on ubuntu and quit your complaining |
| 15:29.02 | azeem | pp: if the version information contains `ubuntu', you should check what they changed, we won't be able to tell you |
| 15:29.41 | pp | all I want to know is how would you do it on debian |
| 15:29.44 | zinx | pp: yes, packages come in different configurations, with different patches, etc |
| 15:30.00 | azeem | pp: we would have to read the documentation to find out as well |
| 15:30.18 | pp | fair point azeem |
| 15:30.19 | azeem | pp: as you have that package installed already, I suggest you research it yourself |
| 15:30.20 | ph00 | how do I grant a regular user permission to write to a LUKS encrypted partition? (the right-click thing isn't working) |
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| 15:30.38 | kth`` | YeTr2; This is a very cheap board with a soldered in cpu, I see only about 3 jumper pins on the board, none of which are related to cpu according to the motherboard handbook |
| 15:30.44 | azeem | pp: if somebody just knew, they would have told you already |
| 15:31.20 | pp | Can someone suggest a good terminal logger for compiling kernels and the like (on debian) |
| 15:31.32 | zinx | terminal logger? o_O |
| 15:31.36 | azeem | just redirect the output to a file |
| 15:31.55 | zinx | on debian i'd use make-kpkg, and not bother with logging the output, because unless there's an error, i don't need to. |
| 15:31.56 | stew | pp: script |
| 15:32.11 | pp | stew cheers |
| 15:32.25 | YeTr2 | kth``: consider putting a heatsink on it? |
| 15:32.31 | zinx | if you really want to log it, you can use 'tee', or just redirect it if you don't care about seeing it |
| 15:32.36 | eps | mmm if I had two folders full of files and I wanted to check for dupes across the two folders (see if folder a has some thing from folder b) how would I do it...noting that folder a has 13k files and folder b has 8k files |
| 15:32.45 | eps | k = thousand |
| 15:32.59 | zinx | but might i suggest gentoo may be better for you if you like watching lines of useless information fly by |
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| 15:33.13 | pp | zinx :-) |
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| 15:33.52 | pp | okay folks I'm going to leave you thanks for you help |
| 15:33.52 | waylandbill | my computer tells me k = 1024. ;-) |
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| 15:34.15 | the_mug | anyone here uses Evolution and has had problems with the OWA url being https ?? |
| 15:34.22 | zinx | k = *1000, kB = 1024 bytes |
| 15:34.29 | roby | w |
| 15:34.33 | zinx | it's Magic |
| 15:34.36 | eps | waylandbill odd that your computer is wrong...I've always assumed having a thousand files ment you only had 1000 (or 999 - which ever you consider is correct :P) |
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| 15:34.48 | eps | the_mug indeed |
| 15:35.06 | the_mug | eps: any workarounds? |
| 15:35.21 | kth`` | YeTr2; Don't want to waste any money on this pc as I'm not going to use it for long I think, since it works fine if I underclock it, I'll keep that in mind as a last resort |
| 15:35.30 | eps | the_mug I assume you have the latest evolution? else iirc the solution is in the ms kb |
| 15:35.53 | eps | we had to work through it at work so I assure you there is a solution...though I did it about a year ago now so I can't think of it off hand |
| 15:36.26 | the_mug | eps: what would I search for on the Microshaft KB ? |
| 15:36.30 | YeTr2 | kth``: 1Ghz and no heat sink?! dude! |
| 15:36.50 | eps | the_mug because it's a weird problem that doesn't only effect evolution ... |
| 15:37.15 | kth`` | YeTr2 Oops... I thought you mean better heatsink, there is one, but it's tiny with an improvised fan |
| 15:37.18 | eps | thus there is a kb post where it effects some other microsoft partnered programs that also have troubles, to which there is a solution some where |
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| 15:38.01 | reggy2 | Hey guys does anyone in here use ADSL with PPPOA (PPP over ATM) and the USB ADSL Alcatel Speedtouch modem revision 4 (silver model) in debian unstable? |
| 15:38.11 | quitte_ | wow. you know you shouldn't have left your laptop in the sun when its screen looses hsync |
| 15:38.14 | reggy2 | I mean, have they managed successfully to install it? |
| 15:38.29 | YeTr2 | kth``: ohh.. I'd still consider getting a real heatsink, and some thermal epoxy to attach it with |
| 15:38.59 | shingouz | reggy2: polling 'does anyone' usually does not help a lot. what is the problem you have with the alcatel? |
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| 15:39.35 | eps | reggy2 used it for about a year at my fathers under ubuntu...the install method is the same I believe |
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| 15:41.00 | Firestarter | is it possible and safe to allow normal users permission to enable and configure network connections |
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| 15:41.24 | shingouz | Firestarter: possible yes, safe no |
| 15:41.33 | blondie | Firestarter: no |
| 15:41.55 | quitte | not even possible without letting them run ifconfig as root somehow |
| 15:42.03 | shingouz | personally i would *never* let a user configure a network, they usually screw something up |
| 15:42.14 | blondie | indeed |
| 15:42.20 | eps | sudo with the ability to only use ifconfig :P |
| 15:42.22 | blondie | even on a desktop machine |
| 15:42.24 | shingouz | s/usually/always/ |
| 15:42.27 | quitte | Firestarter: ifplugd might help there? |
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| 15:42.31 | blondie | eps: bad. |
| 15:42.57 | eps | blondie of course it's bad; though I'm answering his question, not grilling him for asking it |
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| 15:43.12 | blondie | eps: except you didn't answer it :P |
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| 15:43.28 | eps | blondie I pointed out a simple solution |
| 15:43.28 | quitte | Firestarter: why do you want that? |
| 15:44.37 | blondie | eps: that's not what he asked |
| 15:44.46 | eps | mmm what makes up load averages? |
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| 15:45.12 | Nwallins | I need a program like tcpdump, except instead of dumping packet headers, it dumps packet payloads to STDOUT. I have been using tcpflow, but it inserts newlines (supposedly to delimit messages, but I am seeing them within a binary message now) |
| 15:45.29 | eps | I always assumed it was an average of the main stats of a system...though I'm only using the hdd now (no ram or cpu) and it's maxed |
| 15:45.37 | kth`` | YeTr2 I don't believe I'll need this pc that much -- I don't expect to be at home much in the next few years or so... I'd prefer to underclock this pc and put it as a file server/jukebox or some such... Anyhow, need put a floppy drive in here for bios patching, who uses floppies nowadays anyway? >_> Good evening to all |
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| 15:48.03 | chable | hi |
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| 15:48.18 | chable | anyone have a minute to spare ? |
| 15:48.33 | eps | mmm does the following perl statement work 's//name name -/' * where working is adding name name -* ? |
| 15:48.36 | eps | chable no |
| 15:48.39 | chable | ok |
| 15:48.40 | azeem | chable: just ask your question to the channel |
| 15:48.40 | chable | see ya |
| 15:48.52 | azeem | eps: please do not give confusing answers |
| 15:49.01 | Firestarter | I was just thinking about making a script to enable and make it so I can switch to and from wireless/wired internet. |
| 15:49.01 | Firestarter | on my notebook |
| 15:49.02 | Firestarter | I didn't think it was safe |
| 15:49.03 | eps | azeem what confusing answer? |
| 15:49.04 | chable | well azeem , can u tell me how do i change icons size , on debian 3.1 |
| 15:49.18 | Firestarter | Thanks all for the help |
| 15:49.19 | azeem | chable: don't ask individuals, ask the channel |
| 15:49.22 | quitte | Firestarter: use ifplugd |
| 15:49.25 | chable | OK |
| 15:49.28 | azeem | chable: because I don't know |
| 15:49.35 | chable | someone can tell me how do i change icons size , on debian 3.1 |
| 15:49.39 | chable | ? |
| 15:49.58 | eps | what window manager? |
| 15:50.00 | quitte | Firestarter: just add a simple command to bring down wireless if wired is available |
| 15:50.01 | chable | kde |
| 15:50.06 | eps | no idea |
| 15:50.17 | chable | uhm |
| 15:50.22 | chable | they are kinda big |
| 15:50.23 | chable | :) |
| 15:50.31 | chable | and the font size also |
| 15:50.39 | chable | i just installed debian , its my first time |
| 15:50.40 | eps | there will be an option in the control centre |
| 15:50.47 | shingouz | chable: doesnt it have some kind of configuration thingie in there? i have no idea where to look because i do not use KDE though |
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| 15:50.55 | chable | i see |
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| 15:51.11 | chable | shingouz ive looked everywhere , but i got lost :) |
| 15:51.18 | chable | this i why i came here for help |
| 15:51.18 | eps | yay my perl statement worked :) |
| 15:51.39 | shingouz | chable: it has to be somewhere there, a control center or something as eps said |
| 15:51.55 | tosco | i need to configure my apache for libapache-asp-perl, it's installed but i can't load my asp files, have another configuration? |
| 15:51.57 | shingouz | chable: something point and click... |
| 15:51.59 | eps | I think most people in here use gnome or similar (xfce) or more hardcore window managers |
| 15:52.01 | chable | ok its sorted |
| 15:52.06 | eps | chable where was it? |
| 15:52.08 | chable | in the control center |
| 15:52.13 | chable | pfff |
| 15:52.14 | eps | :) |
| 15:52.27 | chable | never used *nix , as desk |
| 15:52.28 | eps | it's okay, for awhile you get to say 'I'm new' :P |
| 15:52.32 | chable | only remote |
| 15:52.38 | ph00 | how do I grant a regular user permission to write to a partition? |
| 15:52.39 | chable | i can be dumb too |
| 15:52.42 | eps | just explore for a touch first before looking for help |
| 15:52.44 | realist | chable: what window manager are you using? |
| 15:52.47 | chable | i dont care too much :) |
| 15:52.50 | stew | ph00: what filesystem is on the partition? |
| 15:52.52 | chable | realist im using kde |
| 15:52.58 | shingouz | chable: come here on a sunday and you see what 'dumb' really means ;) |
| 15:52.59 | ph00 | linux as desktop/laptop is great |
| 15:53.14 | eps | why sundays? |
| 15:53.18 | eps | ph00 agreed! |
| 15:53.31 | ph00 | stew it's an ext2 |
| 15:53.32 | shingouz | eps: never been here on a sunday i think? |
| 15:53.33 | blondie | linux on a laptop isn't so great |
| 15:53.48 | ph00 | linux, it's grrRRReat! |
| 15:53.50 | shingouz | blondie: i beg to differ |
| 15:53.55 | eps | it took 30 minutes to print a word document at uni today...most of that was logging into the windows system...I just sat their laughing considering I'd written the assignment in 30 mins at the debian labs :| |
| 15:53.57 | cydork | blondie, this is from laptop debian powered ... :) |
| 15:54.01 | stew | ph00: then change ownership / permissions as you would any other file / directory: /msg dpkg Permissions |
| 15:54.09 | blondie | depends if your hardware is fully supported |
| 15:54.12 | eps | shingouz I normally help during the week, bounce around on friday nights (now) and ignore weekends :P |
| 15:54.42 | shingouz | !sunday |
| 15:54.42 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:54.48 | ph00 | stew I tried with the right click thing but it doesn't work |
| 15:55.28 | stew | ph00: read the link in "/msg dpkg permissions" ; man chmod ; man chown |
| 15:55.28 | eps | why sundays thought? people get bored then? |
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| 15:55.50 | shingouz | eps: msg dpkg sing sunday |
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| 15:56.01 | chable | ok , thank you for your help guys |
| 15:56.02 | eps | just a note to who ever pointed out rename earlier tonight...much <3 for you! you have no idea how much time you are saving me on this renaming project :D |
| 15:56.07 | chable | im out |
| 15:56.10 | chable | bye |
| 15:56.10 | ph00 | also I tried changing ownership with chown -R <user> <path> but that didn't work either |
| 15:56.12 | eps | later ChanServ |
| 15:56.26 | eps | ph00 chown -R user:group /path |
| 15:56.30 | stew | ph00: be more specific than "didn't work" |
| 15:56.31 | eps | you may need to be root |
| 15:56.38 | stew | you definately need to be root |
| 15:56.41 | eps | wait....that isn't advised depending on the path :P |
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| 15:57.12 | icyfire0573 | I'm having a rather odd problem. KDE isn't working on my computer. I installed Etch about a month ago and whenever I'm running KDE I get kernel faults and have to reboot the machine. I don't know what the issue is but this dosen't happen when I run Gnome. Has anyone encountered something like this? |
| 15:57.12 | eps | I got flamed in here for doing it to whole partitions in /mnt :| |
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| 15:59.40 | ethna | hi , someone knows which is the package to get sasl support in postfix _? |
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| 16:00.30 | Ryengoth | ethna: postfix-tls? |
| 16:00.49 | ethna | Ryengoth: i dont have sasl utilitys :S |
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| 16:01.02 | ethna | and this packages give me tls |
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| 16:01.12 | ethna | but i need sasl for smtp auth |
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| 16:01.22 | Ryengoth | ethna: what debian version? |
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| 16:01.39 | ethna | sarge testing |
| 16:01.41 | ethna | etch |
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| 16:01.45 | five0` | are any of you familiar with the following error? (this is a fresh installation of sarge on lvm2/raid1 with no noticeable problems) "devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc" |
| 16:02.00 | stew | ethna: postfix-tls |
| 16:02.16 | ethna | i have installed stew |
| 16:02.23 | jbalcomb | Does anyone know how to set up loggin bash commands to syslog in Debian? In Gentoo you just specify USE flag bashlogger. |
| 16:02.23 | Maliuta_ | tls is good 'mkay? |
| 16:02.24 | ethna | but dont have sasl utilitys |
| 16:02.32 | abrocadabro | is it possible to boot my debian Live CD from another computer across the network onto my laptop? my laptop doesn't have a cdrom |
| 16:02.39 | eps | interesting that gnome nautilus only allows you to be doing 13 operations at once :| |
| 16:02.47 | ethna | and i repeat that this packages gives postfix tls but not sasl |
| 16:02.48 | ethna | ÑS |
| 16:02.52 | jbalcomb | abrocadabro: does you laptop have a usb port |
| 16:02.57 | ethna | :S |
| 16:03.08 | abrocadabro | jbalcomb: yes it does |
| 16:03.09 | stew | ethna: postfix-tls depends on libsasl2 which is what you need to do sasl with postfix |
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| 16:03.31 | jbalcomb | abrocadabro: how about just booting off a usb drive of the cd image? |
| 16:03.31 | ethna | stew: let me check some things |
| 16:04.06 | shingouz | abrocadabro: boot off a usb stick, usb cdrom should work. boot off a floppy... many ways to boot so that you can install |
| 16:04.07 | stew | ethna: and you definatly need the postfix-tls package to do sasl, you can't just add the sasl packages and not the -tls package and expect sasl to be working |
| 16:04.09 | ethna | for example saslpasswd2 sasldblistusers2 |
| 16:04.21 | ethna | i dont know what packages give me this tools |
| 16:04.41 | ethna | stew: i have isntalled postfix-tls |
| 16:04.56 | abrocadabro | jbalcom: how do I boot from a usb disk? do I just copy everything on the CD to a usb disk? |
| 16:04.56 | stew | ethna: /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg search |
| 16:05.21 | ethna | stew: thx, ^^ |
| 16:05.22 | stew | ethna: iirc that is the sasl-bin package (or something similarly named) |
| 16:05.54 | jbalcomb | abrocadabro; i'm not versed on the specfifics but i know it can be done. you'll need to do something to make the usb drive bootable. |
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| 16:06.25 | jbalcomb | abrocadabro: try search for booting or installing linux from a usb drive |
| 16:06.51 | ethna | dpkg dont say me nothing :S |
| 16:06.56 | stew | jbalcomb: "/msg dpkg usb-install" (even if you aren't trying to install, this page will give you some insights on making usb media bootable) |
| 16:07.09 | stew | dpkg: tell ethna about apt-file |
| 16:07.15 | stew | dpkg: tell ethna about search |
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| 16:08.38 | abrocadabro | jbalcomb: found it at http://www.pendrivelinux.com/knoppix.html |
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| 16:09.32 | Ryengoth | stew: sasl2-bin |
| 16:09.34 | jbalcomb | abrocadabro: nice work. good luck! |
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| 16:09.57 | jbalcomb | How do I log my bash command line to syslog in Debian? |
| 16:10.05 | five0` | is there a frontend to mdadm operations (much like the one offered in the sarge installation cd?) |
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| 16:12.13 | Talnakh | hey guys does anyone know how to convert tinyurl into a proper long URL? |
| 16:12.34 | zinx | Talnakh: go to it |
| 16:12.39 | Ryengoth | <g> |
| 16:13.17 | Talnakh | well, i need a simple script which would do it automatically using any language |
| 16:13.19 | five0` | Talnakh: there's no algorithm |
| 16:13.59 | zinx | Talnakh: write a script that hits it, and extracts the destination |
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| 16:14.09 | Talnakh | thanks |
| 16:14.37 | zinx | afaik that's the only way the tinyurl database is accessable |
| 16:14.50 | Talnakh | i guess so. |
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| 16:15.19 | Ryengoth | write your own tinyurl DB, if you need pass short urls around |
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| 16:19.31 | ethna | stew: thx so much ^^, just learned how util is apt-file :) |
| 16:19.49 | ethna | and found the package :) |
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| 16:21.51 | sepski | !msg if he didnt quit but heraled my ped might have worked |
| 16:23.24 | elkid | is somebody ever had a usb2.0 pen and it never write over 10 mb/s? |
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| 16:26.21 | Siddharta | excuse me i'm running sid on a laptop, and since myupgrade of linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 (from 2.6.15) my usb keyboard was not recognized anymore , so i wrote a bug report, and a person told me to install udev, so what i found strange is that udev is nt installed on my system, and the usb keyboard always worked with hotplug , furthermore the latest version of udev is really not stable !! |
| 16:26.52 | gord | Is there a guide for how to install debian from within another linux distro - live? I know someone who did it regularily using debootstrap and some careful planning |
| 16:26.56 | azeem | Siddharta: when did you last upgrade before? |
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| 16:27.24 | Spec | heya....I have two kernels that I've compiled myself, one's a 2.4 and one's a 2.6. When I run python on the 2.4 kernel it threads correctly, however, when I run python on the 2.6 kernel, it doesn't thread at all....what could be in the kernel that won't allow python to thread? |
| 16:27.25 | Siddharta | you mean i changed the kernel ? |
| 16:27.34 | Siddharta | or i dist-upgraded |
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| 16:27.53 | azeem | Siddharta: the latter |
| 16:28.58 | Siddharta | i 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade && aptitude autoclean && updatedb' almost everyday |
| 16:29.07 | shingouz | !tell gord about chroot install |
| 16:29.16 | shingouz | !tell gord about debootstrap |
| 16:29.56 | Siddharta | Spec: i had the same pb with a fbsd kernel |
| 16:30.05 | Siddharta | it was what you described |
| 16:30.11 | Spec | have you fixed it? :p |
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| 16:31.21 | Siddharta | yeah in fill in the box 'support python thread r something like that |
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| 16:31.32 | Siddharta | in the kernel config |
| 16:31.42 | azeem | gord: there is debtakeover, but it has not been updated for sarge yet |
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| 16:32.35 | LinuxHelp | loll, my mouse just dissapeared |
| 16:32.35 | Siddharta | azeem: if i install udev with sid i will getthe latest version of it and i'm not in trust with it |
| 16:32.48 | azeem | Siddharta: well, it's unstabel |
| 16:32.55 | Siddharta | ;) |
| 16:33.17 | LinuxHelp | straight out of x |
| 16:33.17 | Siddharta | but udev is to much unstable i think |
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| 16:33.45 | LinuxHelp | but gpm still works |
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| 16:35.04 | dos000 | is there a way to restart a network interface via ssh whithout getting yourself locked out ? i just tried it on a remote server and i had to get it rebooted |
| 16:35.42 | die_z | Hi! I'm trying to set up X11 forwarding through ssh and can't find the right info using google, are there any detailed (nearly-idiot-proof) howtos out there? |
| 16:35.56 | azeem | dos000: why do you need to restart the network interfaces in the first place? |
| 16:36.02 | Siddharta | dos000: well i would say yes if it's not the same interface |
| 16:36.10 | azeem | !x11 forwarding |
| 16:36.14 | azeem | hrm |
| 16:36.26 | Siddharta | you're connectin' |
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| 16:36.49 | jelly | !sshx |
| 16:36.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 16:36.53 | dos000 | Siddharta, would creen work ? |
| 16:37.00 | dos000 | creen/screen |
| 16:37.53 | die_z | thx, I was exactly stuck on automatically setting DISPLAY |
| 16:37.59 | azeem | dos000: screen will make sure you can take over your terminal session again after you relogin |
| 16:38.15 | azeem | but as you said you had to get it rebooted, I assume sshd did not work afterwards? |
| 16:38.33 | Siddharta | azeem: what do you think about installiing udev? |
| 16:38.49 | azeem | Siddharta: I don't have an opinion on it |
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| 16:39.06 | azeem | apparently you can still circumvent installing it, but it is getting more difficult every day |
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| 16:39.08 | Siddharta | why does hotplug not recognize my usb keybord anymore |
| 16:39.12 | dos000 | azeem, the problem i think is that maybe the init.d script dies before completing the restart . it does a stop first right ? |
| 16:39.19 | azeem | it certainly does not make sene to run unstable and not use udev IMHO |
| 16:39.28 | bart416 | What was the last debian distro that allowed floppy install ? |
| 16:39.29 | azeem | dos000: which init script? |
| 16:39.32 | bart416 | i mean full floppy install :| |
| 16:39.50 | dos000 | azeem, i did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:39.55 | azeem | dos000: why? |
| 16:40.00 | Spec | Siddharta: that option was for a free bsd kernel right? not a linux kernel? |
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| 16:40.16 | dos000 | azeem, i did not know any other way .. ergo my question :-) |
| 16:40.18 | Siddharta | yes that is what i said |
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| 16:40.58 | rbc | hello ... any idea on how to tell yaird to pass some parameters to a module, when loading it? |
| 16:40.59 | azeem | dos000: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:41.11 | dos000 | azeem, how would you restart a network interface via ssh otherwise ? |
| 16:41.12 | rbc | something like: MODULE foo bar=1 |
| 16:41.18 | azeem | dos000: look |
| 16:41.18 | shingouz | bart416: /msg dpkg chroot install ; / msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 16:41.29 | azeem | dos000: please explain why you need to restart your network interfaces |
| 16:41.31 | die_z | thx again guys, it was just xauth missing on my ssh server (why does all those tutorials I read skip this?) it all works now! |
| 16:41.34 | bart416 | shingouz, I only have a floppy drive on this thing :| |
| 16:41.40 | azeem | dos000: this sounds totally broken to me if you do that on a server |
| 16:41.44 | bart416 | And the network card is pcmcia |
| 16:42.04 | shingouz | bart416: yes i know and that does not matter. just boot it on *any* linux and install whatever debian version manually |
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| 16:42.20 | dos000 | azeem, the machine has virtual servers (vservers) running in it .. and changing the ips of the guest requires the host to restart the network interface. it works fine in the local lan btw |
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| 16:42.51 | bart416 | shingouz, how can i bootstrap a network install if i can't even load a network driver |
| 16:43.01 | azeem | dos000: I don't know about vservers |
| 16:43.02 | bart416 | its supported by pcmcia-cs |
| 16:43.03 | bart416 | :| |
| 16:43.05 | dos000 | azeem, so far this is how i was able to fix these problem |
| 16:43.06 | shingouz | bart416: did you actually msg dpkg already? |
| 16:43.10 | bart416 | no |
| 16:43.17 | shingouz | bart416: then do so and read |
| 16:43.19 | bart416 | I'm not downloading anything before i'm a bit sure it can work |
| 16:43.19 | bart416 | :| |
| 16:43.20 | dos000 | azeem, the original question was not about vsers |
| 16:43.28 | Eulex | what window managers are there that have got a composite manager built-in? (excluding xfwm4 and compiz) |
| 16:43.34 | shingouz | !tell bart416 about debootstrap |
| 16:43.37 | azeem | dos000: I'd just do ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 in one line |
| 16:43.43 | shingouz | !tell bart416 about chroot install |
| 16:43.47 | azeem | dos000: or just run dhclient, for that matter |
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| 16:44.03 | bart416 | oh great, this sucks |
| 16:44.05 | bart416 | 'really usefull' |
| 16:44.15 | shingouz | bart416: and why does it suck? |
| 16:44.19 | bart416 | i can barrely partition something in text mode :| |
| 16:44.29 | rbc | hey, anyone here passing parameters to yaird initrd? |
| 16:44.31 | azeem | bart416: then buy a better computer |
| 16:44.37 | azeem | bart416: or just try it |
| 16:44.52 | shingouz | bart416: well, if you need something with pretty pictures and you only have a computer with a floppy, i think you are pretty much stuck |
| 16:45.17 | dos000 | azeem, hmm .. when i do if down will the shell execute the rest of the command ? |
| 16:45.41 | azeem | dos000: try somewhere where you can reboot easily :) |
| 16:45.42 | shingouz | bart416: personally i have not bothered using the fancy installers in ages, a hell of a lot easier and faster to install with a chroot |
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| 16:45.53 | azeem | I say yes, but this is not legal advise |
| 16:46.10 | bart416 | shingouz, for you it might be, but my last linux experience wasn't all that great |
| 16:46.13 | dos000 | azeem, restarting the interface works locally |
| 16:46.14 | bart416 | mainly cause of driver issue's |
| 16:46.26 | bart416 | each time i tried modprobe the whole system crashed and needed to chroot to fix it |
| 16:46.28 | bart416 | :| |
| 16:46.32 | dos000 | azeem, then it breaks when i do remote :-( |
| 16:46.36 | bart416 | Tried it for like 10 hours in a row on several methods |
| 16:46.50 | azeem | dos000: what do you mean, locally |
| 16:46.59 | shingouz | bart416: tried what exactly? installing? |
| 16:47.05 | beardy | bart416: You didn't find the right way, or performed it wrong, then. |
| 16:47.08 | dos000 | azeem, on the machine next to me .. same software ! |
| 16:47.13 | bart416 | ndiswrapper :| |
| 16:47.33 | bart416 | try it with a SiS 163U chipset and laugh at how funny it crashes each single time :| |
| 16:47.35 | beardy | bart416: What computer are you going to install on? |
| 16:47.36 | shingouz | bart416: get another wlan card, something that is actually running with a native driver |
| 16:47.38 | azeem | dos000: via ssh? |
| 16:47.44 | bart416 | beardy, IBM Thinkpad 760 EL |
| 16:47.56 | bart416 | but its somewhat upgraded |
| 16:47.58 | dos000 | azeem, yes same commands .. exactly same script |
| 16:47.59 | shingouz | bart416: you do not need ndiswrapper for a tp760 |
| 16:48.01 | bart416 | (more ram and bigger hd) |
| 16:48.05 | bart416 | no shingouz |
| 16:48.16 | bart416 | And i don't need ndiswrapper anymore for my desktop |
| 16:48.16 | azeem | dos000: so find out why it doesn't work on your server |
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| 16:48.23 | azeem | preferably through serial console |
| 16:48.23 | bart416 | Cause tomorrow were rewiring the house |
| 16:48.28 | bart416 | so i can put a lancable to my room :| |
| 16:48.31 | shingouz | bart416: i run a few tp755's here. on custom 2.6'es |
| 16:48.40 | azeem | dos000: or check the logs from the last time you tried |
| 16:48.55 | shingouz | bart416: do you have a cdrom for the thing? |
| 16:48.57 | bart416 | shingouz, the problem is i'm not sure if the 2.6 kernel branche supports my pcmcia network card |
| 16:49.00 | bart416 | no |
| 16:49.01 | bart416 | lost it |
| 16:49.05 | dos000 | azeem, thanx |
| 16:49.07 | shingouz | bart416: and what card is it? |
| 16:49.08 | beardy | bart416: Sounds nice, inside-the-wall cables, or nailed on the walls? |
| 16:49.20 | bart416 | inside :| |
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| 16:49.34 | bart416 | beardy, i can't see a drill anymore :| |
| 16:49.58 | bart416 | oh well, any sugestions for a good linux floppy :| |
| 16:50.10 | shingouz | bart416: what wlan card you have there? |
| 16:50.19 | bart416 | shingouz, i don't need the wlan anymore :| |
| 16:50.25 | bart416 | and the laptop has a regular lan card |
| 16:50.31 | beardy | bart416: A Debian installer floppy? |
| 16:50.39 | shingouz | bart416: then just boot with the debian installer floppies |
| 16:50.56 | beardy | bart416: Or what kind of floppy? |
| 16:51.17 | five0` | urgh, how do i reduce the size of mozilla-firefox' interface fonts? I've made the appropriate changes in userChrome, but that was fruitless |
| 16:51.18 | bart416 | a linux floppy |
| 16:51.20 | bart416 | http://patter.mine.nu/thinkpad.html |
| 16:51.22 | shingouz | bart416: boot with the install floppies, configure pcmcia, configure networking, install packages. in this order or you wil not get the network up |
| 16:51.37 | Siddharta | azeem: do you think i could install udev (0.093-1) which is released on etch , on a sid ? |
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| 16:51.52 | Siddharta | instead of the sid version |
| 16:52.05 | azeem | Siddharta: I don't care |
| 16:52.20 | azeem | Siddharta: you use unstable, you should know and/or figure it out for yourself, sorry |
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| 16:52.59 | bart416 | huh, the debian site doesn't link to any network install floppy :| |
| 16:53.03 | bart416 | oh gosh, this is lame :| |
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| 16:53.07 | Ronin | bart416: sure it does |
| 16:53.08 | bart416 | they claim they have it but they don't link to it :| |
| 16:53.17 | bart416 | atleast not on a place you can find |
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| 16:53.24 | bart416 | or its cause i'm using the dutch version of the site |
| 16:53.41 | beardy | bart416: Might be, where are you looking, where are they mentioned? |
| 16:53.48 | bart416 | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/index.en.html |
| 16:54.03 | Ronin | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:54.17 | bart416 | http://www.debian.org/CD/index.en.html |
| 16:54.31 | beardy | !sarge bf |
| 16:54.31 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
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| 16:54.41 | beardy | bart416: ^^^ |
| 16:54.51 | bart416 | oh great Ronin that are cd's & dvd's |
| 16:54.52 | bart416 | :| |
| 16:55.02 | Ronin | bart416: keep reading |
| 16:55.34 | bart416 | oh well, i still have the win nt 4.0 setup flopies here somewhere if something goes wrong :| |
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| 16:56.08 | shingouz | bart416: just read the docs. installing on a tp760 is a piece of cake if you have a network |
| 16:56.13 | Ronin | http://linux.simple.be/debian/floppy |
| 16:56.21 | Tallu | Another 2,5 hours before distupgrade from sarge->etch has finished downloading :p |
| 16:56.37 | shingouz | !chroot install |
| 16:56.37 | dpkg | i guess chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 16:56.45 | shingouz | !debootstrap |
| 16:56.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 16:57.24 | bart416 | I'm downloading the images shingouz :| |
| 16:57.33 | shingouz | bart416: excellent |
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| 16:57.50 | bart416 | shingouz, i concluded i still have the NT 4.0 setup flopies incase it goes totaly wrong :| |
| 16:58.33 | shingouz | bart416: jsut be smart and install only a command line system first. for X you do *NOT* want gnome of kde on that laptop. fluxbox or xfce3 is pretty snappy |
| 16:58.57 | bart416 | i don't like gnome & kde :| |
| 16:59.12 | Ronin | bart416: then dont run them |
| 16:59.19 | shingouz | bart416: and on a p1-133 (or so) you would hate them) |
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| 16:59.26 | Ronin | shingouz: no kidding :) |
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| 16:59.28 | bart416 | maybe the first gnome release would work |
| 16:59.31 | bart416 | :P |
| 16:59.49 | Ronin | im thinking anything bigger then fluxbox will be painful |
| 17:00.06 | beardy | You don't have to install X at all. |
| 17:00.12 | shingouz | bart416: Ronin xfce3 is decent too |
| 17:00.26 | Ronin | beardy: iirc they need x? |
| 17:00.34 | bart416 | uhm i will install x on this thing :| |
| 17:00.37 | beardy | Ronin: they? and for what? |
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| 17:00.45 | five0` | urgh, what's the deal with Fx' interface fonts? I can't seem to adjust the settings via userChrome |
| 17:00.52 | Ronin | beardy: bart416 i belive needs x, new to linux perhaps? |
| 17:00.57 | shingouz | bart416: just do a commandline first, instll the X later |
| 17:01.05 | bart416 | i was planning to |
| 17:01.22 | bart416 | but Ronin, that laptop isn't going to lay in a dusty corner |
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| 17:01.30 | bart416 | so uhm having x on it is usefull |
| 17:01.37 | bart416 | not sure if i'll let it start automaticly tough |
| 17:01.38 | shingouz | and ffs do not install gnome or kde on the poor p1 or the laptop is going to melt :p |
| 17:01.44 | beardy | Ronin: I believe it is then you need to only have access to a shell the most, to learn. |
| 17:01.51 | Ronin | bart416: so? useful doesnt mean having x but shingouz is right pick a smaller one |
| 17:02.08 | bart416 | shingouz, unless i overclock it and have liquid cooling in it |
| 17:02.26 | shingouz | bart416: the tp is going china syndrome on you |
| 17:02.28 | Ronin | bart416: i think you'd need to strap a rocket to that laptop for it to run kde |
| 17:02.53 | bart416 | shingouz, the fact is i'm not used to non graphical stuff anymore :| |
| 17:03.03 | shingouz | Ronin: just a nuclear powerplant from Nukes-R-Us |
| 17:03.03 | bart416 | Blame it on Amiga Workbench :P |
| 17:03.23 | beardy | !amiga shell |
| 17:03.28 | zaher | anyone succeeded in installing fglkrx drivers in etch? |
| 17:03.31 | beardy | hmm, there is one.. |
| 17:03.58 | beardy | !amigashell |
| 17:03.58 | dpkg | i heard amigashell is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/amigashell/ |
| 17:04.20 | bart416 | oh noes, amiga |
| 17:04.21 | bart416 | RUN |
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| 17:04.52 | bart416 | i guess workbench never was that bad |
| 17:04.56 | beardy | There's also some workbench-like windowmanager, and/or themes for some, to make it look like it |
| 17:04.59 | bart416 | atleast it was stable compared to windows me |
| 17:05.05 | bart416 | but yeah, anything is stable compared to that :| |
| 17:05.11 | Ronin | bart416: everything is,never mind |
| 17:05.19 | shingouz | bart416: *anything* is stable compared to that |
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| 17:06.59 | bart416 | yay, lagzor |
| 17:07.01 | bart416 | flopies in win xp |
| 17:07.45 | bart416 | Its funny how win xp tends to get locked up when you try to delete a file from a floppy |
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| 17:08.25 | shingouz | xp is not fun at all... :p |
| 17:08.41 | Ryengoth | I wouldn't comment on Windows here. People get ticked off. |
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| 17:08.46 | Ryengoth | :P |
| 17:09.36 | shingouz | Ryengoth: you mean me? |
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| 17:09.47 | bart416 | atleast it still has BSOD's :| |
| 17:09.58 | bart416 | Oh well, shower & food time :| |
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| 17:11.14 | Spec | Siddharta: i found out the problem and the solution |
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| 17:11.38 | Spec | Siddharta: kernel 2.6 uses NPTL(?) threading, where as python2.2.3 wants to use linuxthreads, the fix is: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 python |
| 17:12.11 | Siddharta | Spec: great |
| 17:12.59 | Siddharta | well i'm wondering to upgrade from sid to etch , as etch is freezing now... |
| 17:13.37 | shingouz | Siddharta: there will be a new testing when etch releases, dont worry |
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| 17:13.57 | GoAuLd | etch freezing ? |
| 17:14.09 | Tallu | GoAuLd: it'll become the new stable in december |
| 17:14.46 | GoAuLd | so fast? there was only 9 or 12 months of the last stable release |
| 17:14.47 | dendrite | Siddharta: While many would agree that going from sid to etch is an upgrade, did you mean from *sarge* to etch? |
| 17:14.57 | Siddharta | shingouz: well but if i dist-upgrade now , the transition to stable will be more easier , no, and it would be the first time i run a stable release onmy laptop |
| 17:14.59 | GoAuLd | wasnt that slower in the past? |
| 17:15.14 | Ronin | GoAuLd: yes, thankfully theyve picked it up a bit |
| 17:15.18 | shingouz | Siddharta: huh? what do you run now? |
| 17:15.23 | Siddharta | sid |
| 17:15.41 | Siddharta | sid is always sid and wll always be |
| 17:15.46 | shingouz | Siddharta: and you are planning on doing what? going from unstable to testing? |
| 17:15.52 | Siddharta | yes |
| 17:16.01 | dendrite | Siddharta: Via a reinstall, yes? |
| 17:16.09 | shingouz | Siddharta: reinstall time |
| 17:16.12 | Siddharta | no |
| 17:16.20 | Malagmyr | How can I get the network setup mage from the install to pop up again? |
| 17:16.23 | dendrite | Siddharta: If you succeed, be sure to document how you did it. |
| 17:16.43 | jelly | Siddharta: you can't dist-upgrade to etch from sid. you'll have to install all the packages which get downgraded by hand |
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| 17:16.51 | shingouz | Siddharta: and if you do not succeed, take another aspirin/tylenol and reinstall |
| 17:17.13 | Siddharta | for those who can read french |
| 17:17.14 | Siddharta | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-user-french%40lists.debian.org/msg122810.html |
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| 17:17.22 | dendrite | I imagine a little hackery with dpkg --get-selections might go a long way with such a downgrade... |
| 17:17.48 | designdream | is there a way to alias something like du -h $1 | grep $1 ? |
| 17:17.50 | shingouz | ...and a *lot* of caffeine... |
| 17:18.09 | designdream | or do i just make a 1 line shell script |
| 17:18.11 | Siddharta | in you bashrc file |
| 17:18.12 | jelly | designdream: a shell function. |
| 17:18.34 | designdream | Siddharta: is this an 'alias' thing? or make /usr/bin/smallscript |
| 17:18.34 | jelly | designdream: stuff() { du -h "$1| | grep "$1" }; stuff foo |
| 17:19.32 | Siddharta | excuse me i didn't understood |
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| 17:20.17 | jelly | designdream: hmm, there's a typo in there. du -h "$1" | grep "$1" |
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| 17:25.00 | blondie | grrrness |
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| 17:25.12 | blondie | libapache-auth-ldap package doesn't support LDAPS :( |
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| 17:25.29 | simonrvn | you have to rebuild it |
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| 17:25.56 | simonrvn | because unlike what the package docs say, OL *does* support SSL/TLS |
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| 17:26.23 | designdream | jelly: do i just drop the function into bashrc? |
| 17:26.44 | designdream | jelly: typing it into shell does nothing other than make me recognize further ignorance |
| 17:27.11 | jelly | designdream: hm. |
| 17:27.12 | designdream | i have always just made files headed with #!/usr/bin and not actually made functions |
| 17:27.27 | AciD | designdream > type it without the ending ; |
| 17:27.37 | AciD | in you .bashrc |
| 17:27.39 | AciD | your |
| 17:27.44 | zaher | anyone succeeded in installing fglkrx drivers in etch? |
| 17:27.55 | jelly | designdream: whatever works for you. a shell function is a shortcut much like an alias. |
| 17:27.56 | designdream | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `|' |
| 17:28.11 | jelly | designdream: I made a typo in that first version... |
| 17:28.23 | designdream | jelly i corrected it and still received an error |
| 17:29.16 | cydork | designdream, why do you want to write a shell script, you can easily add that as alias... |
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| 17:29.30 | designdream | cydork: thats what i wanted to do... |
| 17:29.43 | designdream | cydork: i dont know how to pass input to the alias |
| 17:29.59 | jelly | designdream: hm, putt a newline after { and the rest in the second line |
| 17:30.08 | cydork | designdream, alias xxx='command 1|command 2' |
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| 17:30.32 | blondie | simonrvn: OL? |
| 17:30.39 | jelly | designdream: this works: stuff() { du -h "$1| | grep "$1"; } |
| 17:30.48 | jelly | argh |
| 17:30.56 | jelly | designdream: stuff() { du -h "$1" | grep "$1"; } |
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| 17:31.05 | cydork | jelly, but why when you can do that in alias?? |
| 17:31.14 | jelly | cydork: how? |
| 17:31.36 | cydork | jelly, check my reply to designdream ^^ |
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| 17:32.02 | orcdestroyer | hello... how can I config my keyboard ? |
| 17:32.10 | blondie | configure it for what? |
| 17:32.18 | orcdestroyer | for characters |
| 17:32.21 | jelly | cydork: how do you pass an argument to both commands in an alias? |
| 17:32.27 | designdream | thats what i am wondering |
| 17:32.31 | designdream | 1 2 doesnt do it |
| 17:32.39 | stew | orcdestroyer: maybe you want /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 17:33.16 | cydork | designdream, oh you want arguments.. hrm.. |
| 17:33.42 | cydork | designdream, then i guess alias is of no use. |
| 17:33.56 | orcdestroyer | st00pid yes, but I know that you can be more directly |
| 17:34.05 | orcdestroyer | stew yes, but I know that you can be more directly |
| 17:34.10 | orcdestroyer | I don't know what to do about it |
| 17:34.31 | stew | orcdestroyer: i don't understand what you are trying to say |
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| 17:34.47 | orcdestroyer | stew what I raelly need to do is config my keyboard |
| 17:34.49 | orcdestroyer | you know? |
| 17:34.53 | orcdestroyer | really* |
| 17:34.58 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use Bittorrent? How do you cap your upload speed on the client? |
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| 17:35.02 | stew | dpkg: tell orcdestroyer about keymap |
| 17:35.04 | designdream | jelly: you rock! =D |
| 17:35.28 | orcdestroyer | thanks |
| 17:35.30 | stew | what is the case where the output of "du -h $1" differs from the output of "du -h $1 | grep $1" ? |
| 17:35.46 | jelly | designdream: and yes, you can just put it into bashrc. I prefer a separate file and sourcing it from the main one. |
| 17:36.17 | cydork | designdream, you can use $1 in the alias also.. |
| 17:36.30 | jelly | designdream: so I have "source $HOME/.zfunct" in my .zshrc and all the nifty functions in .zfunct |
| 17:36.51 | blondie | simonrvn: lame - the docs in the source package tell you the ldap_ssl.h file is provided elsewhere... how helpful |
| 17:37.03 | jelly | cydork: have you tried it? |
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| 17:39.05 | designdream | its not working for me.. as alias... as function i have dud() { du -h "$1" | grep "$1"$; } so dud folder tells me its size |
| 17:39.59 | jelly | designdream: if you just want that, du has an -s option |
| 17:40.47 | jelly | designdream: du -hs foo |
| 17:41.10 | designdream | jelly: yup... |
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| 17:41.16 | cydork | jelly, i was just gonna say that. |
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| 17:43.01 | designdream | it was not the functionality i was going after, it was the ability to pass arguments to multiple commands and whether it was possible with alias |
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| 17:44.52 | orcdestroyer | anyone knows some program or software to mount ISO for linux? |
| 17:45.08 | liran_ | no need for a 'software' |
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| 17:45.10 | simonrvn | just loop mount it |
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| 17:45.19 | moshii | orcdestroyer: mount -o loop |
| 17:45.22 | liran_ | mount -t iso9660 source dst -o loop |
| 17:45.28 | simonrvn | blondie: OL == openldap |
| 17:45.29 | jharrisonwk | bleh |
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| 17:45.45 | utricul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.49 | jharrisonwk | OLD == openldap |
| 17:45.51 | jharrisonwk | :) |
| 17:45.54 | designdream | how about listing all files older than todays date? |
| 17:46.06 | Ronin | oh someone kline him already :) |
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| 17:46.07 | cydork | designdream, yes you can pass arguments i have tried for example try alias xxx='ll|grep $1' |
| 17:46.10 | jelly | designdream: nope, my understanding is that alias does simple string expansion in the command line and appends rest of the line |
| 17:46.14 | simonrvn | @ops utricul (n=username@81.25.43.147) spamming |
| 17:46.21 | jharrisonwk | kline who? |
| 17:46.25 | simonrvn | !ops utricul (n=username@81.25.43.147) spamming |
| 17:46.25 | jharrisonwk | ah nevermind |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: simonrvn complains about: utricul (n=username@81.25.43.147) spamming |
| 17:46.36 | jharrisonwk | just tell lilo about it |
| 17:46.41 | stew | simonrvn: there is no such person in this channel |
| 17:46.47 | cydork | designdream, that you can do with find, man find. |
| 17:46.49 | jharrisonwk | or someone in #freenode |
| 17:46.55 | Ronin | stew: i think he's looking for an oper not an @ |
| 17:47.02 | simonrvn | picky picky ;p |
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| 17:47.10 | azeem | Ronin: you mean a staff member? |
| 17:47.14 | Ronin | azeem: correct |
| 17:47.34 | jelly | cydork: try alias invert='echo "$2" "$1"'; invert a b --> doesn't work. |
| 17:47.37 | simonrvn | staff, IRCop, oper, whatever. different words, same people ;p |
| 17:47.50 | azeem | simonrvn: no |
| 17:47.55 | azeem | the ops in here cannot kline people |
| 17:48.00 | simonrvn | yes they are |
| 17:48.05 | simonrvn | oper is irc op |
| 17:48.12 | azeem | uhm, semantics |
| 17:48.21 | azeem | simonrvn: so don't abuse !ops then |
| 17:48.26 | simonrvn | long-standing one :) |
| 17:48.28 | Ryengoth | oper = channel op |
| 17:48.34 | Ryengoth | ircop = server operator |
| 17:48.39 | Ryengoth | :P |
| 17:48.41 | simonrvn | bleh |
| 17:48.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:48.51 | Ronin | Ryengoth: backwards isnt it? not that it matters much |
| 17:48.58 | orcdestroyer | moshii well |
| 17:49.02 | Ryengoth | not from the 14 years I've had on IRC |
| 17:49.08 | orcdestroyer | and If is for mount .img e .ccd |
| 17:49.11 | Ronin | Ryengoth: fair enough |
| 17:49.12 | orcdestroyer | what should I do? |
| 17:49.14 | orcdestroyer | how to mount? |
| 17:49.19 | jharrisonwk | and dont say 'howdy' in #debian freenode and #debian oftc at the same time |
| 17:49.21 | simonrvn | azeem: and i used it once. hardly abusing it. i was slow on triggering it |
| 17:49.59 | azeem | simonrvn: I'm just saying, don't use !ops if you really mean ircops |
| 17:50.07 | azeem | simonrvn: but no big issue anyway |
| 17:50.22 | orcdestroyer | how to mount .img and .ccd ?? |
| 17:50.36 | simonrvn | well, i did mean chanops, but the spammer left, so *shrug* |
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| 17:50.52 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: I remember a time when this would not have even been mentioned |
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| 17:51.15 | jharrisonwk | alas times have changed |
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| 17:51.16 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 17:51.17 | goodshit | Can someone help me with a script. shell or bash or perl whatever is ez for you. I got a .txt file with the following in it. 250-101 (8/4/2006) i got alot of that each line by line. what i need to do is write a script ot get rid of that (8/4/2006) all the date after that filename. Can someone write ma ez scrip to do that thanks. |
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| 17:51.37 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: depends how good it is |
| 17:51.44 | goodshit | what do you mean how good it is? |
| 17:51.47 | orcdestroyer | there is somebody to help me how mount .img and .ccd |
| 17:51.50 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: the shit |
| 17:51.50 | Ronin | jharrisonwk: heh |
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| 17:51.55 | goodshit | just basic script man |
| 17:51.59 | goodshit | can you help me sir |
| 17:51.59 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: if it is really good then we can help |
| 17:52.07 | goodshit | yes its goodshit :) |
| 17:52.08 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: but it its not so good then maybe not |
| 17:52.21 | goodshit | look at my name.. |
| 17:52.22 | Malagmyr | Are there any neat howto's for seting all my machines to send their mail to the one at my desk using Exim 4? |
| 17:52.29 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all. |
| 17:52.33 | Malagmyr | Hi you. |
| 17:52.48 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: yes thats why I mentioned it |
| 17:53.05 | jelly | goodshit: is the (d/a/te) always at the end of the line? |
| 17:53.16 | goodshit | yes jelly |
| 17:53.23 | goodshit | the name (date) |
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| 17:53.25 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: can you paste the file so we can have a look at it? |
| 17:53.27 | Ryengoth | Malagmyr: postfix is more fleixble, IMHO |
| 17:53.28 | jelly | goodshit: can a filename have a ( in it? |
| 17:53.38 | goodshit | jahrrisohnwk ok i paste the file now.. |
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| 17:53.41 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: dont paste here |
| 17:53.46 | goodshit | i know pastebin.com |
| 17:53.47 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: wait |
| 17:53.50 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: yes |
| 17:53.52 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: very good |
| 17:54.19 | Ryengoth | Malagmyr: besides, I've played "chaotic mail router" using postfix between several boxen |
| 17:54.23 | Ryengoth | :P |
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| 17:55.54 | goodshit | [astebom s;pw |
| 17:55.55 | jelly | designdream: you might want parameter checking, like http://pastebin.com/771406 ... also, there are knowledgeable folks in #bash for more complex stuff. |
| 17:55.58 | goodshit | pastebine slow why?? |
| 17:56.06 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: here use this one |
| 17:56.08 | Ronin | goodshit: try pastebin.ca |
| 17:56.18 | jharrisonwk | http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste |
| 17:56.45 | designdream | jelly: it isnt pulling it up =( |
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| 17:56.53 | Netcad | I searched for a way to make sshd ignore an ip/host after 3 failed attempts to prevent dictionary attacks, but I couldn't find the option in sshd_config nor ssh_config files. google has something about a script to add the ip/host to hosts.deny or something (which I didn't understand clearly). Do you know of any such way ? |
| 17:57.04 | goodshit | http://pastebin.ca/137814 |
| 17:57.09 | goodshit | ther you goes guys.. |
| 17:57.15 | goodshit | how do i get rid of the ( date ) |
| 17:57.41 | stew | goodshit: cut -f1 < file > newfile |
| 17:57.54 | goodshit | what is -f1 mean? |
| 17:57.59 | stew | field one |
| 17:57.59 | simonrvn | man cut |
| 17:58.06 | goodshit | arg :) you genous :) |
| 17:58.07 | goodshit | let me try |
| 17:58.11 | jelly | Netcad: there are a number of ways to do that, some scripts look at the logs and add to hosts.deny, some use custom iptables rules. |
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| 17:58.34 | stew | Netcad: try the fail2ban package |
| 17:58.48 | jharrisonwk | Netcad: you get a lot of logs about people trying to login using all sorts of usernames for sshd? |
| 17:58.53 | Ronin | stew: thank you, that was the package i was trying to remember for Netcad |
| 17:58.54 | goodshit | didn't work stew |
| 17:59.05 | jelly | Netcad: take a look at eg. http://www.la-samhna.de/library/brutessh.html |
| 17:59.17 | goodshit | anyone can help me |
| 17:59.28 | simonrvn | i use several ;). |
| 17:59.39 | stew | goodshit: add a -d" " |
| 17:59.53 | Netcad | Oh thanks good guys |
| 17:59.56 | simonrvn | jharrisonwk: some of them are funny |
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| 18:00.09 | stew | goodshit: or use "awk '{print $1}'" insteada of cut |
| 18:00.09 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: some of what? |
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| 18:00.21 | simonrvn | the user names on sshd dictionary attacks |
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| 18:00.39 | kuja | What do I do when I want to remove packages, but errors pertaining to them keep preventing me from installing or removing? |
| 18:00.48 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: ah yes they are funny |
| 18:00.52 | goodshit | sed 's/(.*)//' filename |
| 18:00.55 | goodshit | much ezier |
| 18:01.00 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: so you got it? |
| 18:01.08 | sepski | kuja, first of you you give detailed error descriptions |
| 18:01.21 | kuja | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 18:01.21 | kuja | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:01.40 | AndroidData | I'm using thttpd because apache is already being used per "its cool" given to be by someone else here. I have a file called cpanel.dmb but I don't know how to define a DirectoryIndex. Any way of doing it? |
| 18:01.48 | simonrvn | like, 'recruit'? not so funny as strange |
| 18:02.05 | designdream | goodshit: get rid of date? do you mean http://pastebin.ca/137816 |
| 18:02.27 | kuja | sepski: I guess a sure way would modify the script to stop exiting 1 and exit 0, but what's the forceful way? |
| 18:02.32 | designdream | goodshit: ah! just read your thing and it worked |
| 18:02.45 | designdream | goodshit: i mean i didnt see that you had gotten it working |
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| 18:03.50 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 18:03.51 | jelly | nya-nya |
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| 18:03.53 | simonrvn | spliiiiiiit |
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| 18:03.55 | simonrvn | ride the wave |
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| 18:05.12 | simonrvn | haven't seen one like that in a while |
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| 18:06.37 | simonrvn | they're slow in coming back |
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| 18:10.18 | jharrisonwk | hhmmm |
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| 18:10.23 | jharrisonwk | what happened? |
| 18:10.25 | Malagmyr | su su sussudio |
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| 18:10.39 | simonrvn | net split dude |
| 18:10.40 | Malagmyr | !sing sussudio |
| 18:10.43 | Malagmyr | :D |
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| 18:10.58 | jelly | Malagmyr: that's incorrect syntax for su. |
| 18:11.03 | jharrisonwk | simonrvn: I just lost my connection. never saw it coming |
| 18:11.06 | Malagmyr | tell that to dpkg |
| 18:11.09 | jharrisonwk | and now I cannot connect |
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| 18:11.15 | jharrisonwk | wellf rom the office that is |
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| 18:11.16 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
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| 18:11.21 | jharrisonwk | goodshit: did you get it? |
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| 18:12.25 | simonrvn | jharrisonwk: :/ |
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| 18:13.06 | blondie | simonrvn: for what reason is the SSL support not enabled in that module in debian? |
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| 18:14.12 | rkvirani | Hey guys |
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| 18:14.42 | simonrvn | blondie: i haven't bothered to ask. i have no idea why TBH. i think it's a dumb idea not to |
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| 18:14.59 | rkvirani | I thought I downloaded debian testing but it doesnt have the latest stuff, I have sarge (the iso said testing). How do I upgrade to the latest stuff? I want to give Gnome 2.16 a shot and get the latest XFCE stuff. |
| 18:15.03 | blondie | simonrvn: oh, the package has now been removed due to lack of maintenence |
| 18:15.15 | simonrvn | not surprised :) |
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| 18:15.53 | simonrvn | the apache2 version is part of the main distribution now anyway. they still didn't enable it there, either. |
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| 18:17.54 | simonrvn | rkvirani: gnome 2.16 isn't in sid even |
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| 18:19.05 | stew | gnome 2.16 hasn't even been released yet, has it? |
| 18:19.10 | extreme | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.12 | extreme | what should I do? |
| 18:19.15 | simonrvn | latest i see is 2.15.x in experimental |
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| 18:19.24 | simonrvn | for gnome-about for instance |
| 18:19.31 | jelly | extreme: fix ServerRoot? :-) |
| 18:19.49 | jelly | extreme: btw, that is _not_ a debian issue. ;-) |
| 18:19.52 | simonrvn | extreme: the error message are usually very self-explanatory |
| 18:19.57 | simonrvn | messages* |
| 18:19.58 | rkvirani | simonrvn: I just read a review on it |
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| 18:20.12 | simonrvn | yeh, but it doesn't mean it's been packaged |
| 18:20.14 | rkvirani | Its in testing... |
| 18:20.22 | rkvirani | uhh the dood said it was available on debian |
| 18:20.26 | simonrvn | no it's not |
| 18:20.31 | simonrvn | 2.14 yes |
| 18:20.37 | rkvirani | anyway how do I upgrade to sid -- if thats the latest bleeding edge |
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| 18:20.57 | azeem | rkvirani: sid is not supported by us |
| 18:20.57 | stew | rkvirani: the current "development series" on gnome.org is 2.15, the current released version is 2.14, 2.16 doesn't exist yet |
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| 18:21.09 | rkvirani | ok so how do I get 2.15? |
| 18:21.18 | stew | rkvirani: go to gnome.org |
| 18:21.22 | azeem | rkvirani: compile from source |
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| 18:27.20 | five0` | are any of you using lvm2 on raid on Sarge with the standard 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 18:27.43 | five0` | at boot, i get many 'devfs_mk_dir: invalid argument.<4>devfs_mk_dev: could not append to parent for /disc' error messages |
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| 18:28.03 | five0` | while the system functions ok, i'd still like to know why this is so |
| 18:28.19 | rkvirani | How do I get sid |
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| 18:29.14 | five0` | hm, it appears to be a devfs problem |
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| 18:31.33 | bart416 | Okay, that floppy setup seems to work at this time |
| 18:31.38 | bart416 | Its loading components |
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| 18:32.57 | ]3n19m4[ | hi |
| 18:33.03 | peterrus | i have a problem :S |
| 18:33.28 | peterrus | i just installed the full debian base system to my laptop, so thats without X |
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| 18:34.17 | peterrus | and then i did this: apt-get install xserver-xorg xwm fluxbox and related packages |
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| 18:35.39 | peterrus | then when i start X this happends: the screen flashes black, then waits a few seconds and does this again, for three times, and then nothing happends anymore, looks like the system is halted or something |
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| 18:35.58 | peterrus | is there something i did wrong, i did it this way because i didnt want gnome |
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| 18:37.33 | YeTr2 | bleh |
| 18:37.45 | azeem | peterrus: check the log file, /var/log/X*.log |
| 18:38.02 | azeem | peterrus: for occurances of errors (EE) |
| 18:38.03 | YeTr2 | Does anyone know of any work in debian on iptables extensions and how to install them properly? |
| 18:38.08 | peterrus | azeem, booting to single use mode now |
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| 18:38.42 | hjubal | hola |
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| 18:39.30 | peterrus | hella |
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| 18:40.56 | Malagmyr | "configure: error: You must have the XTest library to build synergy" How can I know what to install to get this? |
| 18:41.12 | azeem | Malagmyr: check config.log for the real error |
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| 18:41.32 | azeem | Malagmyr: then, install the corresponsing libfoo-dev library |
| 18:41.33 | peterrus | azeem, /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old, last lines are: Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 18:41.44 | azeem | peterrus: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:41.53 | peterrus | azeem, etch |
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| 18:42.31 | azeem | peterrus: see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 on how to handle those issues |
| 18:42.53 | peterrus | okzorz :D |
| 18:43.01 | azeem | peterrus: did you upgrade from sarge? |
| 18:43.13 | peterrus | azeem, nope did a fresh install |
| 18:43.18 | azeem | hrm, ok |
| 18:43.42 | azeem | peterrus: actually |
| 18:43.49 | azeem | peterrus: install x-window-system-core |
| 18:43.54 | azeem | if it isn't installed already |
| 18:44.02 | peterrus | lets try |
| 18:44.43 | peterrus | azeem, great, i think this is fixing it :) i see the fonts being installed |
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| 18:48.33 | peterrus | azeem, it started, now i am gonna check if i dont have that error i had earlier today |
| 18:48.39 | peterrus | tnx already :) |
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| 18:50.00 | rkvirani | So how do I upgrade to SID? |
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| 18:50.13 | peterrus | there must be something about that on google |
| 18:50.22 | peterrus | i think, something with dist-updrage i thought |
| 18:50.24 | azeem | rkvirani: you cannot downgrade afterwards, and sid is not supported in here, so you will be on your own |
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| 18:51.07 | peterrus | azeem, YAY i fixed the error i had earlier tday, and have X working, now debian can begin on my laptop :D tnx so much dude :D |
| 18:51.16 | rkvirani | :D |
| 18:51.17 | azeem | cheers |
| 18:51.18 | rkvirani | I know |
| 18:51.26 | rkvirani | So let me at it :D |
| 18:51.29 | Tallu | I'm upgrading to etch to get a taste what it's like before it becomes the new stable :) |
| 18:51.35 | rkvirani | Im good with linux |
| 18:51.39 | rkvirani | just a little rusty with debian |
| 18:51.49 | rkvirani | I have to do an apt-get dist-upgrade right? |
| 18:52.01 | rkvirani | after I edit my sources.list and ... apt-get update right? |
| 18:52.02 | azeem | yes |
| 18:52.13 | bart416 | anybody knows a good dns server? |
| 18:52.14 | ericP_ | rkvirani, my naive impression is that one upgrades to sid by changing yrou /etc/apt/sources.list to say "unstable", ala "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free" |
| 18:52.15 | peterrus | rkvirani, yes, and need to add some stuff to your sources.list and some other stuff i dont know exactly |
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| 18:52.23 | rkvirani | So where do I get the sources.list file for sid? |
| 18:52.40 | azeem | rkvirani: just replace whatever you have now (sarge/stable/testing/etch) with unstable |
| 18:52.56 | rkvirani | so etch eh |
| 18:52.57 | rkvirani | k |
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| 18:53.16 | ericP_ | rkvirani, that you, you want to replace the word after the url with "unstable" |
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| 18:53.42 | rkvirani | %s/sarge/etch/g |
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| 18:53.56 | rkvirani | %s/stable/testing/g |
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| 18:54.02 | peterrus | etch != unstable is it? |
| 18:54.03 | rkvirani | like that |
| 18:54.21 | Ronin | peterrus: etch = testing |
| 18:54.26 | ericP_ | rkvirani, typically, you will have to do this for lines starting with ^deb and ^deb-src , and maybe more if you have added some non-debian package sources |
| 18:54.35 | peterrus | etch is testing, sid is unstable and sarge = stable right? |
| 18:54.41 | stew | !releases |
| 18:54.42 | dpkg | [releases] See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 18:54.43 | azeem | yes |
| 18:54.43 | Ronin | peterrus: correct |
| 18:54.47 | peterrus | okay :D |
| 18:54.50 | ericP_ | rkvirani, "unstable" works for me. i guess "sid" would work as well |
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| 18:55.23 | rkvirani | k so .. not unstable but 'testing' |
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| 18:55.25 | peterrus | wtf??? |
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| 18:55.29 | peterrus | what happened? |
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| 18:55.33 | DaBlade | peterrus: Netsplit |
| 18:55.33 | Ronin | peterrus: net spilt |
| 18:55.35 | ApEtc | Netsplint |
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| 18:55.41 | ApEtc | s/splint/split/ |
| 18:55.42 | peterrus | what is that netsplint? |
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| 18:55.52 | DaBlade | When Freenode is breaking apart. :) |
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| 18:56.00 | peterrus | why does that happen? |
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| 18:56.08 | DaBlade | a server, or several servers have an error and disconnect from the network |
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| 18:56.14 | peterrus | i see |
| 18:56.17 | peterrus | scary |
| 18:56.20 | ericP_ | anyone here have any idea why, after a kernel upgrade from 2.6.17-1-686 to 2.6.17-2-686, i can no longer load my ipw2200 module? |
| 18:56.32 | ericP_ | it appears that it's no longer finding the firmware |
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| 18:56.57 | rkvirani | etch worked for me, I think it .. has to do with the dir names on the mirror |
| 18:56.57 | dondelelcaro | ericP_: check dmesg to see where it's looking for the firmware |
| 18:56.58 | ericP_ | nothing mysterious has removde /lib/firmware/ipw2200-fw-3.0/ |
| 18:57.03 | rkvirani | ericP_: because you need to compile it |
| 18:57.31 | cmatheson | quick question... i need to customize a knoppix cd for a friend here at work. i thought i could just mount the iso as loop-back and edit the file-system, but the knoppix remastering-howto does all kinds of stuff. will mounting as loopback not work in this case? |
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| 18:58.12 | signuts | Why did #debian kick me to #debian-overflow !? |
| 18:58.19 | Ronin | signuts: netsplit |
| 18:58.37 | signuts | Ronin, what's that mean? #debian is too big? |
| 18:58.49 | ApEtc | !netsplit |
| 18:58.49 | dpkg | it has been said that netsplit is A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 18:58.53 | ericP_ | dondelelcaro, i was persuing the firmware angle 'cause i see "ipw2200: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -5" is messages and syslog |
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| 18:59.17 | signuts | ahh, gotcha |
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| 18:59.35 | ericP_ | rkvirani, ipw2200 is included in 2.6.16+ |
| 18:59.35 | signuts | thx ApEtc |
| 19:00.00 | doublehp | apt-get is getting daily updates since ... june ! taking ages; how to boost that as "before" ? |
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| 19:02.43 | ericP_ | i guess the next thing i can try is to re-install 2.6.17-1-686 and see if replacing the module makes my ipw probs go away |
| 19:02.53 | peterrus | !coffee |
| 19:02.53 | dpkg | i heard coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 19:02.59 | peterrus | LOOL hahaha |
| 19:03.03 | ericP_ | though both use the same version of the ipw code (1.1.1) |
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| 19:03.31 | bbelt16ag | allright i need somebody to look at my .bashrc pls |
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| 19:03.40 | bbelt16ag | my aliases are not working right |
| 19:03.54 | doublehp | peterrus: about to dev a USB coffee machine ... serial port is getting old |
| 19:04.58 | peterrus | doublehp, the protocol used in usb devices is somewhat difficult compared to the serial port. which is really easy, by using a microcontroller chip (which i can program) you can easily control things with your computer over a serial port, so thats why |
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| 19:05.34 | Flash_ | sounds like a job for a usb serial emulator |
| 19:05.51 | kml | hi, where can i find sarge amd64 source lists? |
| 19:06.02 | azeem | !amd64 |
| 19:06.02 | dpkg | [amd64] See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 19:06.24 | peterrus | Flash_, could be, but that makes no sense, you can just connect the thing to your serial port, it does not boost speed and just converts everything, only usefull if you have no serial port |
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| 19:06.45 | mrec_ | is there any easy way to create a vcd in linux? |
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| 19:07.20 | peterrus | argh, help i just removed my ~/.fluxbox folder, how can i get a fresh one? |
| 19:07.43 | De_Mon | how do I tell the inode size and other paramters of a partition? |
| 19:08.12 | Belboz99 | hey all, I need help getting xserver running. dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't detect my APG card, lspci ug it's 0000:02:00.0 and I'm having trouble converting that to hex. |
| 19:08.12 | Belboz99 | is there an easier way? It doesn't seem right that Debian won't automatically detect my 6800GT AGP. Thanks |
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| 19:08.33 | peterrus | Belboz99, nvidia? |
| 19:08.44 | Belboz99 | peterrus: yes |
| 19:08.52 | peterrus | Belboz99, what about the nvidia drivers? |
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| 19:09.06 | peterrus | !nvidia |
| 19:09.06 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 19:09.51 | Belboz99 | peterrus: right now I'm just trying to get nv to run |
| 19:10.15 | peterrus | Belboz99, yes, but it could help, i am not an x expert so i dont think i can help you :/ |
| 19:10.19 | Belboz99 | peterrus: I can't even get vesa to run at the moment |
| 19:10.27 | peterrus | :( |
| 19:10.51 | De_Mon | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.52 | Belboz99 | the problem is that the xserver configuration tool won't automatically detect the address of my APG card |
| 19:11.09 | peterrus | agp isnt it |
| 19:11.11 | Belboz99 | and lspci lists it in decimal, and xserver needs hex |
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| 19:11.28 | Belboz99 | yeah, I know, it's a PCI address |
| 19:11.29 | peterrus | Belboz99, it isnt that hard to convert them, read up about it |
| 19:11.41 | Belboz99 | peterrus, got a link? |
| 19:11.45 | peterrus | lets see |
| 19:11.51 | peterrus | !hex |
| 19:12.05 | peterrus | type !hex and see :) |
| 19:12.11 | Belboz99 | !hex |
| 19:12.38 | peterrus | there are many hits on google for a ascii to hex converter |
| 19:12.44 | Belboz99 | peterrus: but would that work to convert decimal to hex? |
| 19:12.53 | peterrus | google is your friend |
| 19:12.59 | bbelt16ag | !.bashrc |
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| 19:13.37 | cmatheson | can someone recommend a livecd that isn't on a compressed filesystem? |
| 19:13.46 | bbelt16ag | http://pastebin.com/771439 need help with .bashrc aliases are not working for some reason help |
| 19:13.46 | bart416_ | damn small linux |
| 19:13.47 | bart416_ | :| |
| 19:14.04 | bart416_ | cmatheson, if i don't mistake dsl is based of debian |
| 19:14.17 | bart416_ | Somebody happens to have a dns server that i can use? |
| 19:14.30 | Ronin | bart416_: your isps? |
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| 19:14.32 | peterrus | damn, can somebody please tell me how to get fresh ~/.fluxbox files, i just deleted them and i need new ones :( |
| 19:14.33 | cmatheson | bart416_: sweet, i'll check that out (i didn't know they had a livecd) |
| 19:14.48 | peterrus | bart416, indeed |
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| 19:15.37 | bart416_ | Ronin, I don't know the ip of my isp's |
| 19:15.41 | bart416_ | i have one |
| 19:15.45 | bart416_ | but i'm not sure if its still in use |
| 19:15.46 | Tallu | bart416_: what do you mean by use.. connect for queries or host your own records? |
| 19:15.50 | Ronin | bart416_: then ask them |
| 19:15.54 | bart416_ | connect for queries :| |
| 19:15.58 | bart416_ | They will never tell it :| |
| 19:16.10 | bart416_ | They even hide the real adres of their proxy server :| |
| 19:16.33 | Tallu | bart416_: whats your isps domain? |
| 19:17.19 | bart416_ | telenet.be |
| 19:17.26 | bart416_ | think i got it |
| 19:17.30 | bart416_ | It didn't give an error this time |
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| 19:17.53 | Belboz99 | does anyone know why my 6800GT is listed as an "unknown" device in lspci? |
| 19:18.28 | De_Mon | I need to know the inode size of an ext3 partition.. what should I use? |
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| 19:18.58 | peterrus | De_Mon, why, if you used the default its 4096 |
| 19:19.30 | Gnea | Belboz99: update-pciids |
| 19:19.41 | Belboz99 | thanks Gnea! |
| 19:19.41 | De_Mon | peterrus I transered some files over and it took 1.5x as much space, and I'd prefer to know rather than guestimate |
| 19:19.57 | peterrus | okay, well i have no idea then |
| 19:20.04 | alexandre | Hi, booting I got: EXT3-fs: hdd1: orphan cleanup on readonly fs then nothing. What can I do ? |
| 19:20.20 | Gnea | alexandre: wait |
| 19:20.47 | alexandre | Gnea: It has been more than 8 hours :( |
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| 19:21.33 | Gnea | De_Mon: tune2fs -l /dev/hda1 |
| 19:21.46 | bart416_ | okay, failed anyway |
| 19:21.50 | Gnea | alexandre: erk |
| 19:21.53 | bart416_ | Ronin, how do i find out what the DHCP server of my isp is? |
| 19:22.02 | De_Mon | wtf I tried that |
| 19:22.06 | alexandre | Gnea: I tried to use knoppix but it get stucked too |
| 19:22.26 | Gnea | alexandre: hope you've got a backup |
| 19:22.49 | De_Mon | Gnea: thanks! I was in the right place just.. off |
| 19:22.56 | Gnea | :) |
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| 19:24.11 | alexandre | Gnea: I do. for some reason the immutable attribute is on on hdd, I think it is why it get stuck. |
| 19:24.38 | alexandre | Gnea: how can I chattr -i ? |
| 19:24.50 | Ryengoth | bart416: DHCP is normally a broadcast service. The point of using it is auto-discovery. If you are connected via PPPoE, then the PPP tunnel establishes your IP, DNS, and route - not a DHCP server. |
| 19:24.54 | Gnea | immutable? |
| 19:24.58 | zirikili | hi guys. I always get an error with apache-1.3.34 when use any apt-get. "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)"... how do I fix it? |
| 19:25.16 | alexandre | Gnea: yes, using chattr +i |
| 19:25.26 | bbelt16ag | is there a easy way to just set my screen resolution with out changing anything else like video card and mouse? |
| 19:25.27 | Gnea | alexandre: why would you do that? |
| 19:25.34 | peterrus | bbelt16ag, yes |
| 19:25.42 | bbelt16ag | i just want to take it down a few notches so my wallpaer fits on the screen |
| 19:25.43 | alexandre | Gnea: not sure but I think the pb come from it |
| 19:25.49 | bbelt16ag | ty |
| 19:25.52 | Gnea | alexandre: pb? |
| 19:25.54 | peterrus | change the modes section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:26.07 | zinx | bbelt16ag: why not just scale the wallpaper? |
| 19:26.17 | bbelt16ag | i am using fluxbox |
| 19:26.21 | zinx | ... and? |
| 19:26.26 | alexandre | Gnea: it seemed a good idea . |
| 19:26.28 | bbelt16ag | how do i do it in fluxbox? |
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| 19:26.34 | Gnea | alexandre: what is pb? |
| 19:26.41 | zinx | i would probably use 'display' to draw the background, personally |
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| 19:27.08 | alexandre | Gnea: same, stuck on: EXT3-fs: hdd1:orphan ... |
| 19:27.16 | zinx | alex: you can use debugfs to remove the immutable bit |
| 19:27.30 | Gnea | alexandre: ok, well, i don't know what 'pb' is and so i can't help you anymore. |
| 19:27.35 | zinx | alexandre: i don't believe the kernel filesystem support can do that (sort of the point of immutable..) |
| 19:27.36 | alexandre | zinx: how do I get a shell? |
| 19:28.08 | peterrus | how can i restart all networking in debian, like /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart in bsd |
| 19:28.13 | alexandre | Gnea: pb==problem |
| 19:28.23 | Gnea | alexandre: then say problem next time |
| 19:28.30 | bbelt16ag | not working |
| 19:28.32 | zirikili | apt-get can not to install or remove apache package anymore. how do I remove it manually? |
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| 19:28.42 | zinx | alexandre: if you can't get a shell, then you probably shouldn't be messing with debugfs. |
| 19:28.50 | zinx | alexandre: or chattr +i for that matter :/ |
| 19:29.17 | bbelt16ag | guh |
| 19:29.19 | Gnea | alexandre: just boot into single user mode and turn immutable off |
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| 19:29.26 | bbelt16ag | i had to set tiled to get it to cover eveything |
| 19:29.34 | bbelt16ag | looks ok, but not what i wanted |
| 19:29.56 | msn | petemc: try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 19:30.10 | zinx | bbelt16ag: you can scale it with the gimp if you can't figure out how to get the other tools to do it :/ |
| 19:30.39 | bbelt16ag | i think i will keep it the way it is |
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| 19:34.11 | Belboz99 | hey, how do I clear the values for dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? It keeps on using the last-used values, I need to start over |
| 19:34.13 | alexandre | Gnea: maybe it is not a attribute problem. Booting with 2.6.15 kernel, it stopped a bit then dump a stacktrace |
| 19:35.16 | bart416_ | OH great, wtf is my network gateway :| |
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| 19:35.24 | alexandre | Gnea: with 2.6.17-2 it get stuck forever |
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| 19:37.10 | Belboz99 | update-pciids worked, lspci now lists my APG card as a 6800GT, however, xserver-xorg still won't accept the bus address I'm using |
| 19:37.16 | ph00 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:37.27 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here know how to sync a filesystem with rsync? |
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| 19:37.38 | ph00 | the question is how do I make gnupg generate a couple of keys? and where are they stored? |
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| 19:39.05 | peterrus | ph00, ~/.gnupg |
| 19:39.06 | stew | ph00: create keys with gpg --gen-key, unless you tell it otherwise they go into the keyrings in ~/.gnupg |
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| 19:40.17 | Belboz99 | anyone want to help me get my xserver running? |
| 19:40.46 | bart416_ | Grrrr, i just can't find my network gateway |
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| 19:41.09 | bart416_ | And i don't want to walk downstairs to plug it directly into the router |
| 19:41.16 | bart416_ | cause my parents will whine again |
| 19:41.31 | peterrus | bart416_, parents, sigh they never understand the genius inside you |
| 19:41.43 | Ryengoth | bart416: doesn't that router have a web configurator? |
| 19:41.50 | bart416_ | Ryengoth, yeah |
| 19:42.06 | peterrus | if it was up to me i already had six linux mirrors running in my room |
| 19:42.08 | stew | bart416_: you just don't know the address of your gateway? or what? |
| 19:42.12 | bart416_ | Just don't have a clue what port its on :| |
| 19:42.12 | peterrus | and was my own isp |
| 19:42.12 | Ryengoth | bart416: lynx <ip.address of router> |
| 19:42.13 | ph00 | stew peteruus thx. |
| 19:42.24 | bart416_ | stew no i don't know the address of my gateway :| |
| 19:42.27 | peterrus | ph00, np, and be paranoid |
| 19:42.40 | peterrus | bart416_, 192.168.1.1 or 192.168.0.1 might do it |
| 19:42.43 | bart416_ | windows says: 192.168.1.1 for my wireless :| |
| 19:42.57 | peterrus | then go there with any browser |
| 19:43.12 | alexandre | I can't even boot failsafe with knoppix. :( |
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| 19:43.29 | ph00 | peteruus ...I hear those black helicopter coming... |
| 19:43.33 | ph00 | s |
| 19:43.36 | peterrus | alexandre, so it is clearly your file system that is powned? |
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| 19:43.46 | peterrus | ph00, wonderful :) |
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| 19:44.08 | ph00 | hehe... |
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| 19:44.27 | alexandre | peterrus: what can I do? |
| 19:44.41 | peterrus | alexandre, what about formatting your disk? |
| 19:44.41 | Belboz99 | guys, I don't have all day, I just need to get xserver to detect the proper PCI bus for my 6800GT, anyone? |
| 19:44.56 | peterrus | Belboz99, sorry man, i dont know nothing about x :( |
| 19:44.56 | bart416_ | nope, network configuration error peterrus |
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| 19:45.00 | Ryengoth | Belboz99: try another slot |
| 19:45.03 | Oestrelata | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.11 | peterrus | bart416_, if you go there with your browser? |
| 19:45.13 | Belboz99 | Ryengoth: it's AGP |
| 19:45.33 | Ryengoth | Belboz99: got on-board video? |
| 19:45.42 | stew | bart416_: if all you are trying to do is figure out the ip address of your gateway, "ping -b broadcastaddress" might return some possiblilities, your broadcast is likely either 192.168.1.255 or 192.168.255.255, ifconfig shoudl tell you for sure what it is |
| 19:45.56 | Belboz99 | Ryengoth: no, it's AGP, as in an APG card in an AGP slot |
| 19:45.58 | bart416_ | okay, looks like 192.168.1.1 is my router |
| 19:46.05 | alexandre | shouldn't I be able to boot from knoppix without using any hdd? |
| 19:46.13 | Belboz99 | 6800GT, doesn't anyone here know what that is? |
| 19:46.22 | peterrus | alexandre, i guess so, what about just taking the drive out of ur oc? |
| 19:46.23 | Ryengoth | Belboz99: I understand that. I'm asking if your MB happens to have a PCI chip that you disabled to use the AGP slot |
| 19:46.35 | ph00 | hilarious! prompt: real name (I enter a 4 letter name) prompt: name must be at least 5 letters |
| 19:46.39 | peterrus | Belboz99, you might report that is is an nvida you know |
| 19:46.43 | bart416_ | lol |
| 19:46.45 | Belboz99 | Ryengoth: no, I don't have onboard video |
| 19:46.50 | ph00 | it asked my frwaking real name! what if it's joe? |
| 19:46.54 | peterrus | ph00, haha :p discrimination xD |
| 19:46.59 | bart416_ | lol guessed right :| |
| 19:47.04 | peterrus | bart416_, then you are lucky |
| 19:47.18 | alexandre | peterrus: probably the easiest thing to do :-) |
| 19:47.25 | peterrus | ph00, then call yourself gerbraldus the sixt |
| 19:47.27 | Belboz99 | Ryengoth: sorry if I'm a bit testy, I've been having Linux issues all day |
| 19:47.33 | ph00 | bart then someone else could guess... |
| 19:47.37 | peterrus | alexandre, is there important data on that disk? |
| 19:48.02 | ph00 | i'lbe ph000 |
| 19:48.12 | ph00 | not as cool as phoo, but what the hell |
| 19:48.15 | peterrus | ph00, i am peterrus |
| 19:48.23 | peterrus | well Peter Rus |
| 19:48.36 | ph00 | pleased to meet you |
| 19:48.44 | peterrus | just wondering how i can revocate a key so it isnt displayed on a keyserver anymore :/ |
| 19:48.58 | Ryengoth | Belboz99: I've been having server issues for two weeks. Regardless of that, which X-server did you install? |
| 19:49.07 | alexandre | peterrus: I got backup anyway |
| 19:49.10 | bbelt16ag | anybody ever figure out what is wrong with my .bashrc? |
| 19:49.12 | ph00 | I never use anything even close to my real name when it comes to computer usernames |
| 19:49.14 | Belboz99 | this is the first time I've ever installed a linux distro and have it not detect my PCI bus, I've used Debian Woody, Slackware 10.0, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Kororaa, Knoppix, all of them have always detected my PCI bus, I don't understand why Debian Sarge won't |
| 19:49.23 | peterrus | alexandre, than you are smart :) |
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| 19:49.35 | peterrus | ph00, do you really think that is my real name? |
| 19:49.40 | peterrus | i do |
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| 19:49.54 | Belboz99 | Ryengoth: I've got xserver-xfree86 installed |
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| 19:50.07 | peterrus | Belboz99, dude, xserver-xorg |
| 19:50.20 | Ryengoth | Belboz99: which device server, though |
| 19:50.33 | Belboz99 | peterrus, I know, I don't know why Debian installed xfree86 |
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| 19:50.42 | peterrus | Belboz99, well better try it |
| 19:50.45 | stew | peterrus: dude, xorg isn't in sarge |
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| 19:50.59 | Belboz99 | Ryengoth: device server? |
| 19:51.04 | peterrus | stew, i am sorry, being a debian newbie |
| 19:51.06 | JarJarBinks | I'm trying to report a bug found in nomencl (a latex package) but apt-cache only show glosstex, how can I find the package that installed nomencl originally (I'm pretty sure it is not glosstex) |
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| 19:51.14 | grapsus | hi! |
| 19:51.24 | peterrus | yohoho |
| 19:51.24 | Ryengoth | xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 19:51.24 | Ryengoth | Belboz99: like |
| 19:51.35 | Ryengoth | gah.. that didn't work as planned |
| 19:51.39 | ph00 | no, you said you are peterrus as in peter rus and that sounds like a name, but I can't know how real it is, of course |
| 19:51.39 | ph00 | heya |
| 19:51.43 | stew | Belboz99: what makes you say it isnt' detecting your pcibus? |
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| 19:52.00 | Belboz99 | stew: (EE) device not found |
| 19:52.08 | peterrus | ph00, indeed, maybe it is, maybe not, but that way you can easily fool people, which is great |
| 19:52.21 | stew | Belboz99: what driver are you using? |
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| 19:52.31 | Belboz99 | stew, nv at the moment |
| 19:52.39 | ph00 | yeah. cool |
| 19:52.44 | grapsus | I have just installed debian testing on a new computer and I have some problems with udev :( |
| 19:53.05 | stew | Belboz99: generally that means that the driver didn't find a card that it supports. did you specify a busid (in general you shouldn't) |
| 19:53.08 | grapsus | does someone here know hot to write udev rules? |
| 19:53.13 | bart416_ | Tired, of it |
| 19:53.18 | bart416_ | going to connect it dirrectly to the router |
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| 19:53.26 | stew | grapsus: just ask your actual question |
| 19:53.36 | Belboz99 | stew, the busid was not detected automatically |
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| 19:53.47 | jlaw | lol ... wtf, i come back and just see kicked, kicked, kicked, kicked ... |
| 19:54.02 | peterrus | netslit gizmo |
| 19:54.11 | stew | jlaw: you were kicked from #debian-overflow, not from here |
| 19:54.11 | peterrus | split |
| 19:54.16 | Belboz99 | stew, lspci listed my APG card as an "unknown" device |
| 19:54.25 | stew | Belboz99: have you run update-pciids? |
| 19:54.27 | Belboz99 | stew: I then ran update-pciids |
| 19:54.29 | jlaw | stew, ah ok |
| 19:54.39 | stew | Belboz99: can you post your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to a pastebin? |
| 19:54.45 | mrec_ | is there any easy way to create vcds in linux? |
| 19:54.47 | jaye | Hi Everyone, does anyone know if I need to do anything so that my cable modem can work with ipsec? |
| 19:55.05 | stew | Belboz99: and your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 while you are at it |
| 19:55.15 | Belboz99 | stew: but I had already tried entering the busid manually, and that entry was reloaded as the default afterwards |
| 19:55.24 | peterrus | mrec_, wondering the same thing |
| 19:55.41 | peterrus | wow, i liked ubuntu, then i adored slackware and now i love debian |
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| 19:55.54 | grapsus | here it is: I have a logithech wireless mouse and keyboard, keyboard works well, but udev doesn't create /dev/input/mice neither /dev/input/mouseX, no the X server can't start, and if I plug a PS2 mouse both the usb and ps2 mouses are working! |
| 19:55.56 | quitte | jaye: no. modem has nothing to do with it. |
| 19:55.59 | stew | Belboz99: you shouldn't be speicifying a busid unless you are on a mac or have more than one card |
| 19:56.03 | Belboz99 | stew: I'm using my father's laptop to chat, I have no idea how to post logs without a GUI |
| 19:56.11 | stew | grapsus: modprobe mousedev |
| 19:56.26 | Belboz99 | stew, as I said it was not detected automatically |
| 19:56.28 | peterrus | grapsus, or use a usb to ps2 converter thingy (cheap) |
| 19:56.31 | stew | Belboz99: use w3m or lynx or elinks or link2 to upload it to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 19:56.49 | stew | grapsus: if that works, add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 19:56.52 | grapsus | stew, do I need to add mousedev to /etc/modules ?? |
| 19:57.02 | kml | how can tell grub to reboot into a specify OS on dual boot system without changing grub.conf file? |
| 19:57.21 | grapsus | peterus, no it the same usb reciever for the mouse and the keyboard |
| 19:57.53 | grapsus | stew, thak you I'll try this and reboot |
| 19:57.54 | stew | kml: you can try "grub-reboot number" |
| 19:57.58 | peterrus | grapsus, throw it away :D |
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| 19:58.34 | peterrus | hmmm |
| 19:58.40 | bart416_ | Doesn't work either :| |
| 19:58.54 | peterrus | bart416_, just use dhcp for networking? |
| 19:59.13 | bart416_ | i plugged it dirrectly in the router with a regular lan cable :| |
| 19:59.29 | peterrus | bart416_, in debian |
| 19:59.33 | bart416_ | And selected Auto-configure network with DHCP |
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| 19:59.40 | bart416_ | peterrus, net setup :| |
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| 19:59.45 | bart416_ | on an IBM Thinkpad 760 EL |
| 19:59.51 | peterrus | THINKPAD <3 |
| 20:00.10 | bart416_ | network: 3com 3CXFEM656C |
| 20:00.17 | bart416_ | [pcmcia-cs driver: 3c575_cb] [x86] |
| 20:00.17 | bart416_ | [2.4+ kernel driver: 3c59x] |
| 20:00.17 | bart416_ | [ ethernet only: the modem is a WinModem! ] |
| 20:00.17 | bart416_ | 3Com 3CCFEM656B, 3CXFEM656C |
| 20:00.18 | *** kick/#debian [bart416_!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 20:00.24 | peterrus | i see |
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| 20:00.34 | bart416_ | :'( |
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| 20:00.38 | peterrus | hehe |
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| 20:01.10 | peterrus | hehe |
| 20:01.35 | shingouz | bart416_: ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 ; ping www.google.com |
| 20:01.46 | bart416_ | shingouz, uhm, SETUP ... |
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| 20:02.10 | stew | !tell bart416_ about flood |
| 20:02.20 | shingouz | bart416_: yes? don't get an IP from the router? |
| 20:02.47 | bart416_ | shingouz, no |
| 20:02.48 | grapsus | stew, it worked!!! thanks I thought I had to add an udev rule :s |
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| 20:02.51 | bart416_ | i didn't get one |
| 20:02.55 | bart416_ | eventough it should give one |
| 20:02.59 | bart416_ | It gives a ip to my desktop |
| 20:03.07 | bart416_ | so i don't see why it wouldn't give one to my laptop :| |
| 20:03.14 | bart416_ | Plugged it directly onto the router |
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| 20:03.16 | bart416_ | nothing |
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| 20:03.23 | shingouz | bart416_: do an ifconfig -a and see if you have the card there |
| 20:03.28 | stew | !tell bart416_ about enter |
| 20:03.36 | yanqi | hi |
| 20:03.43 | stew | bart416_: do you already have a default gatweay on another interface? |
| 20:03.46 | Belboz99 | stew: you can get my XFree86 log now |
| 20:03.49 | bart416_ | now i connected it on the ethernet port of my desktop |
| 20:03.56 | bart416_ | stew yes |
| 20:03.59 | grapsus | stew: everything works now! |
| 20:04.03 | stew | grapsus: cool |
| 20:04.15 | yanqi | johnny |
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| 20:04.31 | yanqi | is debian etch cool ? |
| 20:04.31 | stew | bart416_: oh i misread, i thought you had an ip but not a gateway |
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| 20:04.40 | yanqi | does it have cool things ? |
| 20:04.44 | grapsus | yanqui, it depends |
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| 20:04.53 | grapsus | all the software is recent |
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| 20:05.01 | yanqi | grapsus, yeah ? |
| 20:05.11 | grapsus | but you can have some little problems more often that on stable |
| 20:05.20 | yanqi | oh yeah |
| 20:05.25 | eguzkia | hello someone know wine? |
| 20:05.35 | shingouz | !ask |
| 20:05.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:05.37 | grapsus | yes I use wine |
| 20:05.37 | bart416_ | Your network is propably not using the DHCP protoco. Alternatively, the DHCP server may be slow or some network hardware is not working properly |
| 20:05.40 | bart416_ | thats i what ig et first |
| 20:05.46 | bart416_ | now next |
| 20:05.47 | bart416_ | :P |
| 20:05.50 | stew | Belboz99: it looks like your device is too new for the nv driver in sarge. do you know what chipset it is? |
| 20:05.56 | Eulex | eguzkia, yes, it's red or transparent and makes you dizzy |
| 20:05.58 | Juzzy- | (offtopic) does anyone know other servers similiar to the toshiba magma sg20? a small application linux based server |
| 20:05.58 | grapsus | yanqui, its advised to have some skill in dpkg and apt |
| 20:06.03 | grapsus | if you want to use etch |
| 20:06.25 | Belboz99 | stew: too new? that's a new one! It's an Nforce2 Chipset |
| 20:06.26 | yanqi | i use netbsd right now, but i'd like to move to linux (for the recent hardware stuff). i'm considering debian |
| 20:06.30 | ph00 | OK I did run gpg --gen-keys and I've got omse out put: now my public key is the one called "Key fingerprint" in the output, right? |
| 20:06.52 | shingouz | too much like sunday, might go install some sleep |
| 20:06.54 | Belboz99 | stew: you can also get my config file too |
| 20:06.56 | grapsus | yanqui, in this case, for the recent drivers testing is what you need |
| 20:06.57 | ph00 | and how do I see my private key? |
| 20:07.03 | stew | Belboz99: it still says "Unknown" in lspci even after running update-pciids? |
| 20:07.17 | shingouz | grapsus: /msg dpkg nicktab |
| 20:07.18 | Juzzy- | yanqi: I used to be anti-debian b/c i knew too many debian zealots raving and putting down * else, until i tried debian, it's pretty nice and stable :) |
| 20:07.20 | Belboz99 | stew, no, after running update-pciids it detects it just fine |
| 20:07.22 | bart416_ | my router says its totaly fine stew :| |
| 20:07.34 | grapsus | yanqi, don't forget to install in expert mode, otherwise it will install stable without asking |
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| 20:07.56 | myren | anyone have suggestions for a simple command line tool that'll let me do simple trig functions? |
| 20:08.01 | yanqi | Juzzy-, i quite feel like you but i didn't want to offend anyone on this forum |
| 20:08.10 | bart416_ | Okay, hopeless try |
| 20:08.11 | myren | basically a command line calc w/ trig |
| 20:08.14 | bart416_ | enter router ip as dhcp server |
| 20:08.15 | yanqi | ok for debizan then |
| 20:08.25 | bart416_ | fck this |
| 20:08.30 | grapsus | shingouz, what's this? |
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| 20:08.46 | mrec_ | peterrus: want to know how to create vcds? |
| 20:08.47 | grapsus | ahh |
| 20:08.50 | shingouz | grapsus: some help for you, you do not have to type the whole nick |
| 20:09.02 | grapsus | shingouz, I see that's cool!!! |
| 20:09.05 | peterrus | mrec_, i would like to |
| 20:09.05 | stew | Belboz99: it looks like you have the wrong busid in your XF86Config-4, your card is 2:0:0 but you have 0:2:0. you shouldn't be specifying a busid |
| 20:09.15 | mrec_ | peterrus: ntsc/pal? |
| 20:09.37 | grapsus | shingouz, I thought dpkg had only "lobotomy" command ^^ |
| 20:09.43 | peterrus | ehm well i want to put a divx movie on a cd so i can play it in my divx dvd player |
| 20:09.44 | Juzzy- | yanqi: they have a very mature feeling package system, although you need to visit backports.org to get more current packages |
| 20:09.53 | shingouz | grapsus: dpkg has a crapload of stuff |
| 20:10.01 | yanqi | is ubuntu bloated ? |
| 20:10.16 | yanqi | Juzzy-, thansk |
| 20:10.34 | Belboz99 | stew, I realize that, but since it wouldn't auto detect, and I didn't know about update-pciis I followed the directions and did an lspci, lspci said: 0000:02:00.0 which took to mean 0:2:0 |
| 20:10.36 | De_Mon | uh.. I just tried an aptitude update from sid and the terminal froze, and I can't kill it |
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| 20:10.45 | grapsus | yanqi, lol don't speak about ubuntu here, it a bit dangerous |
| 20:10.56 | mrec_ | peterrus: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html#menc-feat-vcd-dvd-audio (bookmark this link :) |
| 20:10.58 | peterrus | ubuntu |
| 20:11.03 | yanqi | grapsus, ok |
| 20:11.07 | mrec_ | afterwards you can record it with k3b |
| 20:11.07 | peterrus | mrec_, tnx man :) |
| 20:11.09 | grapsus | yanqi, some users here love flamewars ^^ |
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| 20:11.46 | sid | How many discs will Debian etch have when it's released? Sarge had 14 iirc. Will Etch have 20+ discs? |
| 20:11.49 | De_Mon | how do I kill a process when kill -9 doesn't work? |
| 20:11.49 | peterrus | cool :) |
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| 20:12.14 | yanqi | thks all |
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| 20:12.36 | stew | sid: currently 19: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:12.40 | grapsus | sid, I don't see the use of having all the packages on CDs if you have a fast connection |
| 20:12.48 | Belboz99 | stew, what should I do now? |
| 20:12.50 | peterrus | ah look: when starting X i get this error: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi does not exist, and i need those fonts, how to install them? |
| 20:13.10 | sid | grapsus: Not everyone has a fast connection though. |
| 20:13.13 | netfrog | De_Mon, reboot. if kill -9 fails it means process is "sleep"ing somewhere in kernel (a bug) |
| 20:13.28 | sid | stew: Will there be an official DVD releaes with etch do you know? |
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| 20:13.37 | De_Mon | netfrog status is 'D' |
| 20:13.38 | grapsus | sid, yeah, and they became quickly outdated |
| 20:13.46 | recon0 | Would anybody happen to know the dependencies of "cube"? |
| 20:13.47 | stew | sid: yes |
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| 20:13.53 | stew | grapsus: why would it become quickly outdated? |
| 20:13.54 | doublehp | peterrus: if you are to use a uC any way, where is the problem ? There are plenty of USB capable uCs ... your point does not justifie stucking to serial. |
| 20:13.57 | stew | Belboz99: try without a busid? |
| 20:14.14 | grapsus | stew, because some packages have security updates |
| 20:14.20 | sid | Does Ubuntu have 10+ discs? I've never used Ubuntu. But I'm curious. |
| 20:14.24 | stew | sid: currently 3: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 20:14.25 | peterrus | doublehp, ah, you know something about it :) well they are harder to program than a serial one |
| 20:14.33 | stew | sid: ask #ubuntu |
| 20:14.33 | netfrog | De_Mon, tried to kill the parent process? it might help in this case... |
| 20:14.40 | peterrus | doublehp, and i am not yet really expierienced on that |
| 20:14.49 | Belboz99 | stew, I commented out the busid line, and still no go :( |
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| 20:15.10 | De_Mon | netfrog yeah, no luck. rebooting sounds like the right choice |
| 20:15.26 | eguzkia | i have many dos games that i'd like run on my linux....what can i do? |
| 20:15.32 | De_Mon | err the status was +Ds |
| 20:15.33 | peterrus | dosbox |
| 20:15.38 | grapsus | dosbox |
| 20:15.40 | grapsus | lol |
| 20:15.41 | peterrus | indeed |
| 20:15.58 | stew | Belboz99: what does "lspci | grep VGA" output? |
| 20:15.59 | grapsus | or you can use Qemu and boot a real DOS! |
| 20:15.59 | RingerE | http://www.wsmfm.com/dogs/entries vote for molly, the cockerspaniel... if she gets enuogh votes i win crap ;o) |
| 20:16.00 | netfrog | De_Mon, ye. It's usually a bug in a driver (hd / nfs or alike) ... |
| 20:16.08 | doublehp | peterrus: sorry; programming a 68HC908JB8 takes me about 2h soft dev, then 3 mn to compile & transfert; serial uCs and pics require 9V supply, usually a maxim, of very complex charge pumps for RS232 compliance ; THAT is heavy, and very bulky on the final board |
| 20:16.39 | eguzkia | grapsus: ok thank you |
| 20:16.59 | jelly | RingerE: hey, are you spamming? :-> |
| 20:17.01 | Belboz99 | stew: it comes back with the listing of my 6800GT on 0000:02:00.0 |
| 20:17.19 | peterrus | doublehp, omg you pown me, i still use 16f628s |
| 20:17.26 | grapsus | eguzkia, I could send you a ready dos image for qemu |
| 20:17.27 | doublehp | peterrus: a USB chip is self powered, no decoder no demux, no line encoder; "only" the chip, an Xtal, and your LEDs; see http://usbirboy.sourceforge.net/ before complaining any more; have a look at the prommer, and the final dev |
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| 20:17.42 | peterrus | doublehp, thats true :) |
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| 20:17.49 | stew | Belboz99: oh, 6800 isn't in the list of supported cards at the end of that log, you'll have to either use a backported xorg package (/msg dpkg xorg sarge) or use a non-free driver |
| 20:18.00 | Belboz99 | ah |
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| 20:18.11 | eguzkia | grapsus: what is qemu? |
| 20:18.23 | doublehp | peterrus: here if my realisation of this device: http://doublehp.free.fr/irboy/p1010051.jpg ; can any one do any thing smaller in this world ? USBIrBoy is a Lirc IR receiver. |
| 20:18.39 | stew | Belboz99: do you know if that is a NV40 or NV44 or what? |
| 20:18.48 | grapsus | eguzkia, It an i386 computer emulator like Vmware, it emulates a computer on your computer ^^ |
| 20:19.03 | Belboz99 | stew: NV40 |
| 20:19.10 | peterrus | doublehp, wow, nicely done :) but does it contain a uC? |
| 20:19.11 | grapsus | eguzkia, you have virtual hard disk as .img files |
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| 20:19.26 | eguzkia | grapsus: ok thank you |
| 20:19.27 | stew | Belboz99: that should be supported by the free drivers in xorg then (at least according to the nv manpage) |
| 20:20.03 | grapsus | eguzkia, google for "qemu" or "bochs" you'll see some screenshots it's the best explanation |
| 20:20.04 | Belboz99 | huh |
| 20:20.39 | Belboz99 | using "nvidia" returns screens found, but no nvidia kernel module |
| 20:20.39 | doublehp | peterrus: YES ! how can any one decode USB without uC ? this device got: uC, Xtal, R, 2 C, and IR sensor; I have drastically rediced the original prototype from the original site. This device (which I only soldered, and not deved) got driver *only for linux* :D |
| 20:21.03 | Belboz99 | problem is, all the nvidia-kernel packages are for 2.4.x, and I'm running 2.6.x |
| 20:21.11 | doublehp | peterrus: http://doublehp.free.fr/irboy/ see the 2 other pics |
| 20:21.13 | eguzkia | grapsus: i have bochs |
| 20:21.45 | peterrus | doublehp, oh wait i see you didnt use serial port ofcourse, wow :) thats a really great project, got schematics? |
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| 20:22.39 | crazy_penguin | Good night to all! Sleep well! |
| 20:22.41 | grapsus | eguzkia, ok qemu is the same thing but faster, cause you can download a kernel module "qemu" that working like vmware, it runs emulated programms directly on your cpu without emulation layer |
| 20:22.52 | shuveb_ | hi, the etch kernel does not have support for cramfs or squashfs, i tried to locate packages but all i got were these kernel patches, how do i go about creating squashfs modules? patch and recompile? |
| 20:22.53 | doublehp | peterrus: official site is http://usbirboy.sourceforge.net/ ; we use serial for programming only; I am not part of IrBoy team, but I used the same chip for other projects: http://stwp.demaine.info/ |
| 20:22.57 | grapsus | eguzkia, so it's really faster |
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| 20:23.10 | mrec_ | doublehp: what's irboy? |
| 20:23.11 | quitte | grapsus the module is kqemu or qvm86 |
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| 20:23.27 | grapsus | eguzkia, kqemu |
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| 20:23.27 | peterrus | not again :p |
| 20:23.36 | grapsus | lol |
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| 20:23.37 | Daveman | ride the wave :p |
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| 20:23.47 | grapsus | it was the same thing few days ago |
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| 20:23.52 | doublehp | peterrus: so, my question was: can you use in the final board less components than us ? Id rather say that your final serial applications are same size than our prommer. |
| 20:23.59 | Belboz99 | stew: any idea what I should do to get nvidia driver working? |
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| 20:24.15 | stew | Belboz99: i don't help with non-free drivers |
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| 20:24.28 | Belboz99 | stew: the nvidia driver detects the screens, but it needs a kernel module |
| 20:24.28 | doublehp | mrec_ mrec__ its the only Linux only full custom IR receiver for LIRC |
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| 20:24.43 | grapsus | stew, are you a purist lol? |
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| 20:26.10 | Marupa | hi, how can I tell which input device to use? I have two soundcards, but only really use one...how can I tell which soundcard is right? /dev/dsp1? |
| 20:26.11 | peterrus | doublehp, i wont even start trying, as i am not that advanced yet :) i am just beginning with pics. so, no |
| 20:27.01 | grapsus | Marticus, you can blacklist the module used by one of cards |
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| 20:27.12 | stew | grapsus: i guess |
| 20:27.15 | bart416_ | The suckage level of this setup problems is infinite |
| 20:27.16 | grapsus | Marupa, you can blacklist the module used by one of cards |
| 20:27.31 | peterrus | doublehp, and dont think i am a serialport freak, i like them both, but the serial port is easier to use, you cant denie that |
| 20:27.31 | Marupa | this is darkice, that I'm trying to set up. |
| 20:27.39 | Marupa | it needs /dev/(somedevice here) |
| 20:28.11 | doublehp | peterrus: first problem of "traditionnal" serial ports is the use or RS232, that requires strange voltages; this implies a MAX232 nearly every where , plus a hhigh current 5V or 9V source (for the MAX), whereas USB chips are powered by the bus, and have internal voltage converters for the line decoder. Saves wires, current, power, and room. |
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| 20:28.35 | doublehp | peterrus: I do deny that. |
| 20:29.27 | peterrus | doublehp, yes thats is very right, but still it is easier for beginners i say, because programming a 16f628 in basic or assembly is easier than a "exotic" motoraly uC, for beginners that is |
| 20:29.36 | peterrus | and the max232 just works |
| 20:29.50 | peterrus | doublehp, of course usb is a much more elegant solution |
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| 20:30.57 | doublehp | peterrus: using the JB8 is as much easy as any other PIC; the chip does line and packet decoding, the same way your pics does frame decoding; the user point of view is the same: write a routine, and ask the interrupt manager to call it ! |
| 20:30.58 | bbelt16ag | hey were are the " sounds" or wave file folders so i can use a sound for a buddy pounce pls |
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| 20:31.46 | doublehp | peterrus: USB got a small advantage: the chip manages begin of frames, whereas on serial port, you need to manage your self the begin and end of protocol. |
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| 20:31.54 | peterrus | doublehp, okay, but it still is harder for me, as i dont got these uCs and i dont know how to program them.. yet! |
| 20:32.03 | Belboz99 | hey, anyone know why when I attempt to install nvidia-kernel-2.6-486... 78 packages are listed for removal??? |
| 20:32.04 | etsme | hello |
| 20:32.08 | peterrus | doublehp, thats true |
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| 20:32.30 | blondie | FOR FUCKS SAKE |
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| 20:32.57 | Ryengoth | doublehp: that "flaw" is why so many people still prefer RS232 over USB for low-level interfacing |
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| 20:33.33 | peterrus | blondie? |
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| 20:33.57 | blondie | peterrus: fucking freenode's crappy servers |
| 20:34.03 | peterrus | ah isee |
| 20:34.07 | peterrus | well they are free |
| 20:34.08 | blondie | was this channel +R? |
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| 20:34.10 | doublehp | peterrus: I get all pics the same way: sample on web sites; then , I have a compiler, a source code, and a development board. Problem is that old people fear to have to learn new technologies. I am 26, and I think I am old since I was 16. |
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| 20:34.17 | stew | blondie: no |
| 20:34.19 | ydd | and they are nodes? |
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| 20:34.28 | myren | unfortuantely serial port is +- 12v |
| 20:34.34 | myren | the level conversion is a constant pain |
| 20:34.47 | myren | and now with USB we see all this logic level "rs232" stuff |
| 20:34.55 | peterrus | doublehp, i am not afraid to learn new things, i am hacker you know. but i first want to master the pic, thats a personal goal |
| 20:34.57 | blondie | stew: then why didn't I rejoin? |
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| 20:35.12 | blondie | I got redirected to a lame please register channel |
| 20:35.13 | doublehp | Ryengoth: there is no flaw; USB has several channels, and 3 modes. There is a mode that can be used exactly like serial port; I hate it; the chip I use does not suport it, thus can not emulate pure serial port; I dont mind. |
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| 20:35.20 | blondie | stew: +r then |
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| 20:35.31 | jelly | how can I check if I have installed packages/versions that are not available in stable? |
| 20:35.46 | blondie | debhelper: you should be banned! |
| 20:35.55 | doublehp | peterrus: I have been working on USB in 2003; I am now coming back to RS485, and thats hell difficult for me. |
| 20:36.06 | raf256 | debhelper: hi |
| 20:36.07 | stew | blondie: it was +J 8,3 when the split happened, i took the mode off for a few minutes, when nobody joined for a few minutes i put it back |
| 20:36.34 | blondie | stew: well it wouldn't let me join, and diverted me to ##please_register |
| 20:36.43 | infernix | I'm looking for a graphical file manager. I like mc alot but its console. I'm scooping the apt-cache list already, but does someone have a solid suggestion? I use ion so no gnomish or kdeish stuff please:) |
| 20:37.03 | peterrus | infernix, emelfm for sure |
| 20:37.05 | peterrus | or rox |
| 20:37.09 | Ryengoth | doublehp: I didn't say USB had a flaw. You implied that RS232 lacks frame handling, which is why people still integrate commercial equipment with it. |
| 20:37.14 | boris | gentoo is a file manager |
| 20:37.23 | boris | apt-cache search gentoo |
| 20:37.38 | stew | blondie: i dont' know. the only modes that have been changed on this channel as far back as my scrollback goes are J and l |
| 20:37.40 | alexandre | I runned fsck.ext3 on hdc instead of hdcX . Is it bad? |
| 20:37.58 | doublehp | Ryengoth: I think this mode is called "bulk", and I hate it very much; I only use only interrupted; it s *really slower*, but it is synchronised. |
| 20:38.03 | stew | blondie: are you sure you werent sent to #debian-overflow? |
| 20:38.15 | peterrus | when i start X i get this error that it cant find the 75dpi fonts in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi. now i find a folder called /etc/X11R7 which does have a folder called this way, is this right and stuff, because i need these fonts or else i will have the standard font, which is BIG ass |
| 20:38.20 | blondie | stew: maybe... |
| 20:38.21 | blondie | c.c |
| 20:38.23 | jelly | alexandre: maybe. Did it find a filesystem? |
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| 20:38.31 | blondie | maybe i went to both |
| 20:38.32 | blondie | sigh |
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| 20:38.57 | alexandre | jelly: it has been running for 20minutes |
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| 20:39.13 | Belboz99 | does anyone know why when I attempt to install nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 it wants to REMOVE 78 packages??? |
| 20:39.27 | jelly | alexandre: it could be bad if it found and changed anything. |
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| 20:39.53 | alexandre | jelly: a bit late now anyway :( |
| 20:39.58 | boris | easiest to just build using the *.pkg.run Belboz99 |
| 20:39.59 | jelly | alexandre: if not, just ctrl-c it |
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| 20:40.55 | jelly | alexandre: it is strange that it found a superblock anyway. |
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| 20:45.09 | alexandre | jelly: i'll what happens. I've never seen fsck run for so long |
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| 20:45.58 | peterrus | can someone tell me whats wrong? i installed x manually with the xserver-xorg package and x-window-system-core |
| 20:46.03 | Belboz99 | hey, the Nvidia intaller can't find my nvidia-kernel-source, even though it is installed, any ideas? |
| 20:46.16 | jelly | alexandre: if I were you I'd ctrl-c it right away and do fsck the correct partition. |
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| 20:48.08 | jelly | alexandre: hope you have backups ;-) |
| 20:48.11 | debi_newb | what repositories do i need to get all that non free stuff msttcorefonts mplayer vlc and so on .. someone??? |
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| 20:48.23 | alexandre | jelly: yes |
| 20:48.29 | peterrus | debi_newb, non free |
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| 20:48.36 | peterrus | debi_newb, non-free * |
| 20:48.38 | Belboz99 | bah! it was never untarred! :-P |
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| 20:48.59 | Belboz99 | anyone want to give me the proper command to untar a tar.gz? |
| 20:49.07 | debi_newb | petemc: codecs and proprietary stuff.. i dont have the mplayer or vlc in my repos to start |
| 20:49.07 | jelly | debi_newb: vlc is free. msttcorefonts is in non-free. mplayer is /msg dpkg marillat |
| 20:49.07 | peterrus | tar xvzf file |
| 20:49.14 | stew | Belboz99: /msg dpkg tar |
| 20:49.17 | Belboz99 | thanks peterrus! |
| 20:49.19 | peterrus | np |
| 20:49.24 | infernix | eep. gentoo segfaults upon execution on my etch box, right after installation. |
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| 20:50.08 | stew | infernix: checked the bts? |
| 20:50.37 | infernix | no, im only trying out various file managers here. |
| 20:50.58 | debi_newb | jelly: do there is no need to get any extra repositories to get support for wma and mp3 in xine or gstreamer?? |
| 20:51.07 | stew | infernix: it really shouldn't segfault regardless. if other things are segfaulting, you might consider running memtest86+ |
| 20:51.15 | peterrus | crap, why arent my fonts working :( |
| 20:51.21 | infernix | stew: my memory isnt broken, for sure:) |
| 20:51.27 | peterrus | 75dpi fonts, where are they and why dont they work |
| 20:51.33 | peterrus | i did a fc-cache and stuff |
| 20:51.34 | jelly | debi_newb: btw, there's vlc in stable and unstable, but currently not in testing. Are you running etch? |
| 20:51.46 | infernix | stew: but my qemu session might be breaking stuff. or perhaps its due to ion. ill briefly strace it |
| 20:51.47 | jelly | debi_newb: mp3 works. |
| 20:51.54 | debi_newb | jelly: yes |
| 20:52.14 | stew | infernix: strace is not often helpful with segfaults |
| 20:52.18 | debi_newb | jelly: so if im using etch can i still get my hands on those |
| 20:52.28 | jelly | debi_newb: not sure about wma, but if those apps use ffmpeg's free codecs at least some of wma files should works. |
| 20:52.30 | infernix | stew: i see that. gdb then. |
| 20:52.48 | stew | infernix: which version of gentoo? |
| 20:53.08 | jelly | debi_newb: for mplayer and "w32codecs" package check out marillat's repository. |
| 20:53.15 | infernix | stew: whichever's in etch atm.. 0.11.55-1 |
| 20:53.32 | stew | infernix: works fine here fwiw |
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| 20:53.56 | debi_newb | jelly: ok thanks ... what if i add stable and unstable repositories would that work?? |
| 20:54.25 | jelly | debi_newb: I'd be very careful with that. |
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| 20:54.42 | debi_newb | jelly: i c |
| 20:55.09 | infernix | stew: the plot thickens. it doesnt happen as root. |
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| 20:55.58 | jelly | debi_newb: I'll get flamed for suggesting this, but maybe, just maybe, you can add unstable, install vlc, then remove unstable sources. Make notice of what other package versions from unstable were installed, and hope thy get added to testing soon. ;-) |
| 20:56.11 | jelly | s/thy/they/ |
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| 20:56.45 | jelly | !why isn't vlc in testing |
| 20:57.10 | jelly | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 20:57.10 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 21:02.17 | debi_newb | jelly: that is one big maybe :) |
| 21:03.40 | infernix | for vlc you could add unstable sources to your testing install, then apt-get build-dep vlc and apt-get -b source vlc. will take a while but thats the safest route |
| 21:03.57 | infernix | unstable sources meaning a deb-src line. |
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| 21:04.34 | stew | jelly: "/msg dpkg quick etch/sid mix" is a better way of accomplishing the same |
| 21:04.37 | infernix | you'd have to install w32codecs from debian-multimedia.org and change the debian/rules file in the vlc source tree to add support for those |
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| 21:05.25 | myren | how do i dump a man page to screen, instead of paging it? |
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| 21:05.55 | THISUBASA | oi |
| 21:05.59 | stew | myren: "PAGER=cat man foo" |
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| 21:06.20 | myren | is there any way to single shot it? |
| 21:06.33 | myren | just this once page with cat |
| 21:06.43 | stew | myren: that is a single shot, it's setting the PAGER variable just for that command |
| 21:06.54 | myren | ooohhhh i see |
| 21:07.11 | myren | still not sure how it works, but at least that command is starting to make sense |
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| 21:07.36 | trygg | How do i mount a .bin? The bin2iso is unsupported at the official site. |
| 21:08.13 | stew | myren: "var=value command" just sets var for that command's environnment, it doesn't set it for this shell like "var=value ; command" does |
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| 21:08.49 | stew | trygg: what does "file /path/to/.bin" say it is? |
| 21:09.58 | trygg | data |
| 21:10.44 | myren | any idea when taht syntax sugar got added to shells? |
| 21:10.50 | myren | was it tcsh or bash |
| 21:10.59 | myren | or actually long standing convention |
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| 21:11.53 | stew | myren: long standing afaik, it's posix compliant |
| 21:12.54 | trygg | stew: heh, how does that help me? :) |
| 21:13.32 | stew | trygg: it doesn't. if it had said "ISO9660 filesytem" or some such it would have helped you |
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| 21:13.38 | trygg | Darn. |
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| 21:13.44 | dan2 | where's asg? |
| 21:13.45 | trygg | So, theres really no way to do it? |
| 21:13.50 | dan2 | where's abrotman? |
| 21:13.50 | Jenkens | yukes |
| 21:13.52 | stew | !pubtime |
| 21:13.53 | dpkg | pubtime is, like, time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 21:13.54 | dan2 | peterS, yo |
| 21:14.06 | dan2 | stew, heh I forgot |
| 21:14.09 | infernix | alright, now the big question. emelf, bsc, or the explorer style xfe. hmmm |
| 21:14.32 | Ryengoth | tygg: create an empty partition and use dd? |
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| 21:15.24 | bart416_ | just wondering, is it possible to get a working image of a debian base system ? |
| 21:15.30 | stew | trygg: what do you know about it? how did you make it? what does it contain? |
| 21:15.46 | stew | bart416_: what do you mean? |
| 21:15.51 | stew | bart416_: debootstrap? |
| 21:15.55 | bart416_ | stew, a minimal base system :| |
| 21:16.04 | bart416_ | I think i have an idea to bypass the net install |
| 21:16.18 | bart416_ | If i can get the hd out of this laptop i might be able to attach it to my desktop |
| 21:16.23 | bart416_ | then i can just write the image to the HD :| |
| 21:16.25 | stew | bart416_: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 21:16.30 | bart416_ | Thats childplay :| |
| 21:16.42 | bart416_ | stew, i need an image of the debian base system to do it |
| 21:16.44 | trygg | stew: its a game cd, its quake 3 (and no worries, i have 2 legitimate copies at home but the cds are borked) |
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| 21:16.51 | eml | Hi! I just installed debian testing, it's _VERY_ nice, I like it a lot. But I've noticed one thing, and I've got a question about it; Why isn't there any Eterm-package in the repositories? If there's a separate channel for debian testing, please guide me to that channel. |
| 21:16.53 | trygg | stew: bin2iso isnt supported any more either. |
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| 21:17.50 | eml | I would *very* much like to use Eterm instead of the borked terminal emulators available in the reps :P |
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| 21:18.12 | bart416_ | uhm trygg try cd /mnt/cdrom/ |
| 21:18.16 | stew | eml: packages get removed from testing from time to time to allow for larger transition from unstable to happen, "/msg dpkg why is eterm not in testing" |
| 21:18.24 | bart416_ | Then a regular ./setup.sh should work :| |
| 21:18.37 | trygg | bart416_: heh, i need to mount it first. |
| 21:18.38 | bart416_ | quake 3 isn't that hard to install assuming you have the correct servers |
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| 21:18.53 | bart416_ | trygg, mount it :P |
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| 21:19.03 | trygg | bart416_: i dont know how to mount .bin |
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| 21:19.12 | bart416_ | oh |
| 21:19.17 | bart416_ | your trying to use an image |
| 21:19.24 | trygg | Exactly. |
| 21:19.32 | eml | Mmh ok stew, any tips on where I can install it anyways? A 3rd party repository maybe |
| 21:19.43 | Ryengoth | tygg: is it a bin/cue image? |
| 21:19.53 | trygg | Ryengoth: yeh. |
| 21:19.57 | bart416_ | http://he.fi/bchunk/ |
| 21:20.00 | infernix | trygg: apt-get install bchunk |
| 21:20.06 | Ryengoth | use bchunk |
| 21:20.09 | trygg | I this second found it in a thread. :D |
| 21:20.11 | Ryengoth | too late! |
| 21:20.17 | Ryengoth | heh |
| 21:20.28 | infernix | then mount -o loop blabla.iso /some/where |
| 21:20.34 | bart416_ | then it should be something along the lines of: mount -o loop -t iso9660 foobar.iso /mnt/image |
| 21:20.39 | stew | eml: you can download the unstable version from http://packages.debian.org/eterm and dpkg -i /path/to/.deb ; you'll likely have to run "apt-get -f install" afterwards |
| 21:20.40 | bart416_ | oh well what infernix said |
| 21:20.57 | eml | stew, Ok, thanks |
| 21:21.06 | trygg | Thanks guys! :) |
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| 21:21.15 | bart416_ | then go to the mount point |
| 21:21.23 | bart416_ | and execute setup.sh |
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| 21:21.50 | bart416_ | Quake 3 is propably the first thing i'll try to run when i get that stupid lan cable here to my comp :| |
| 21:21.56 | bart416_ | I have it on cd so it shouldn't be hard i guess |
| 21:22.10 | trygg | True. I love the TC-mod Urban Terror. :D |
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| 21:22.19 | bart416_ | trygg, and if it doesn't work just get a cd writing program and write it to a cd rw :| |
| 21:22.35 | bart416_ | noob method ftw |
| 21:22.42 | trygg | I dont even have a cdrom :) |
| 21:22.50 | bart416_ | lol |
| 21:22.52 | Ryengoth | gah.. I must be old. I remember when Wolfenstein 3D came out and it was da bomb. |
| 21:23.01 | bart416_ | Ryengoth, yeah your old :| |
| 21:23.10 | bart416_ | I still remember that i seriously wanted dukenukem 3d |
| 21:23.11 | bart416_ | :) |
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| 21:23.27 | bart416_ | OMG, the Build engine has insane realistic mirror effects :| |
| 21:23.38 | trygg | heh |
| 21:23.40 | bart416_ | that run perfectly on your ATI Rage or 3dfx VooDoo 2 |
| 21:23.41 | bart416_ | :| |
| 21:23.55 | bart416_ | oh wait, is this the thing we run at 600 fps with onboards these days? |
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| 21:24.19 | Blissex | Ryengoth: Wolfenstein was not that exciting. But I remember being totally impressed with Doom. Despite lack of elevation and the ardboard characters |
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| 21:25.29 | infernix | sudo reboot |
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| 21:25.38 | infernix | uhh. right. brb:P |
| 21:25.50 | Ryengoth | Blissex: Doom is what put ID on the map, but Wolf3D was the first real release of their 3D engine. |
| 21:26.01 | LinuxYelp | what is.. the most reliable file system? |
| 21:26.05 | infernix | wolf3d for life |
| 21:26.17 | infernix | LinuxYelp: CDs. no really, ext3. |
| 21:26.20 | Blissex | Ryengoth: the Wolfenstein engine was a lot more limited than Doom. Not as impressive. |
| 21:26.30 | Ryengoth | Blissex: definately better than cartridge games on the C64 |
| 21:26.31 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: define ''reliable''... It is not easy. |
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| 21:27.19 | Blissex | Ryengoth: ah yes, but I was coming from expensive graphics workstations like the id guys... Not many remember that Doom was designed and released on a NeXT cube. |
| 21:27.21 | LinuxYelp | Blissex, reliable as in (almost) impossible to corrupt through: 1. power cuts 2. normal use |
| 21:27.51 | Ryengoth | LinuxYelp: when you find one, let me know so I can migrate out corporate servers |
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| 21:28.06 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: I would say that your aims are a bit misguided. |
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| 21:28.37 | Malagmyr | I'm trying to use cpufreqd on my laptop. It has a P3mobile CPU and runs the stock kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686. CpuFreq complains that I don't have a CpuFreq interface in my kernel. Anything quick I can do about this? Module assistant? |
| 21:28.46 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: perhaps, but perhaps, the more forgiving of misuse is 'ext3' with 'data=journal' and a very short 'commit=2' say. |
| 21:29.24 | Ryengoth | LinuxYelp: run a RAID card that has battery backup if you are concerned with data loss |
| 21:29.41 | dos000 | anyone explain to me why rsync {options} -e ssh timeouts when i have firewall on the target machine? yes i can ssh into the box and removing the rules makes rsync work again. |
| 21:29.43 | infernix | linuxyelp: ultimately, reliability lies in disk mirroring (RAID) and external backups (be it on other disks or tape, as long as its external) |
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| 21:30.48 | infernix | dos000: i bet it's cause of your firewall. iptraf, tcpdump and tethereal are your friends. |
| 21:30.56 | LinuxYelp | So anyway, how does jffs compare to ext3 on a desktop system? |
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| 21:31.28 | infernix | LinuxYelp: wikipedia.org has file system comparison pages. |
| 21:31.44 | LinuxYelp | infernix, thx, link? |
| 21:31.49 | dos000 | infernix, i know its the furewall . but can you explain what happens to rsync when you pass -e ssh ? is it not supposed to do the rsync protocol via ssh tunnels ? |
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| 21:32.40 | infernix | dos000: im not 100% sure, but my guess is that it'll talk on port 22 to set up a tunnel on a static or random port which is probably blocked. hence the need for you to run those friends (iptraf/tcpdump/tethereal) and see whats going on |
| 21:32.55 | LinuxYelp | nm, got it |
| 21:33.01 | infernix | LinuxYelp: if you look up XFS or JFS it should point to the comparison page |
| 21:34.26 | infernix | malagmyr: upgrade the kernel, i am not sure if cpufreq is modularized and i never run stock kernels. you can try find /lib/modules -name \*freq* to see if there's any modules in your current image |
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| 21:43.49 | tuv | Malagmyr, modconf can list all cpufreq modules for you so that you install the appropriate one for your cpu |
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| 21:48.55 | mmiikkee12 | i have a lfs system (base system+a few extra apps) that i'd rather not reformat, can i install apt and dpkg and install a sid system over it without a reinstall? |
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| 21:50.04 | cydork | mmiikkee12, there is script called as debtakeover but it is for woody AFAIK |
| 21:50.05 | tuv | mmiikkee12, i'm not sure, but maybe debootstrap is what you're looking for |
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| 21:50.29 | mmiikkee12 | tuv: isn't that that ancient installer before debian-installer? |
| 21:51.05 | cydork | mmiikkee12, nope |
| 21:51.06 | tuv | mmiikkee12, don't know, but it could be. it basically creates a debian system |
| 21:51.12 | cydork | !debootstrap |
| 21:51.12 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 21:52.04 | infernix | mmiikkee12: why not migrate just the data, you'll be replacing all binaries anyway? |
| 21:52.34 | mmiikkee12 | infernix: hmm. maybe |
| 21:52.41 | mmiikkee12 | how long does a sid install take? |
| 21:52.49 | evilgeek | that's dbootstrap. |
| 21:52.52 | mmiikkee12 | i'd like to be able to irc while it's going |
| 21:52.53 | infernix | 15-30mins on a fast line |
| 21:53.00 | mmiikkee12 | infernix: 1.5mbps cable |
| 21:53.03 | evilgeek | debootstrap is the thing that turns an arbitrary linux system into a debian system. |
| 21:53.08 | infernix | 20mins. 30 maybe. |
| 21:53.21 | LinuxYelp | Blissex, I'm doing a mkfs.ext3, just wondering if you might supply the exact parameters? |
| 21:53.36 | mmiikkee12 | hmm |
| 21:53.38 | infernix | mmiikkee12: here's an url you could use:http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
| 21:53.43 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: for what? There are zillions. The defaults should be OK. |
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| 21:54.12 | mmiikkee12 | infernix: i only have one computer, thanks for the suggestion though |
| 21:54.21 | LinuxYelp | Blissex, 'ext3' with 'data=journal' and a very short 'commit=2' say. |
| 21:54.27 | mmiikkee12 | hmm |
| 21:54.28 | infernix | mmiikkee12: pen and paper do wonders |
| 21:54.30 | cydork | evilgeek, nope deboostrap installs a debian system in any directory |
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| 21:54.42 | mmiikkee12 | infernix: doesn't count as a remote system |
| 21:54.44 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: ahhh, those are _mount_ options. |
| 21:54.49 | tuv | mmiikkee12, debootstrap is a program you run and do whatever you want in another tty |
| 21:54.56 | mmiikkee12 | hmm |
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| 21:55.08 | evilgeek | cydork: you mean debootstrap. and i don't see how that's inconsistent with my description. |
| 21:55.08 | infernix | mmiikkee12: mainly the url will show how to use debootstrap |
| 21:55.08 | LinuxYelp | Blissex, I can do that then, np |
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| 21:55.39 | mmiikkee12 | infernix: i'm looking for a sid cd too. if i could do that instead of just upgrading from testing/stable that'd be good enough |
| 21:55.45 | cydork | evilgeek, it doesn't turn any linux system into debian.. |
| 21:55.56 | infernix | mmiikkee12: there's no such thing as sid cds afaik. |
| 21:56.00 | mmiikkee12 | i think installing debian and then installing debian is a bit redundant :P |
| 21:56.07 | mmiikkee12 | infernix: that's what i heard too |
| 21:56.12 | infernix | mmiikkee12: sid = still in development. use etch cds |
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| 21:56.31 | mmiikkee12 | infernix: sid was the kid in toy story that broke all the toys. :) |
| 21:56.38 | infernix | mmiikkee12: that too |
| 21:56.42 | evilgeek | cydork: can it not be used for that purpose, by running "debootstrap" while outside any chroot environment? |
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| 21:56.48 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: for maximum safety you might want to disable write caching on the hard drive with 'hdparm -W0 /dev/....' but that makes writing a _lot_ slower. Also 'sync' as a mount option. |
| 21:57.22 | evilgeek | cydork: i've used it for this purpose twice in my recollection, though perhaps not exactly as i described. thus, i believe my description was accurate. |
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| 21:57.40 | Jenkens | borkbork |
| 21:58.07 | infernix | bah. emelf nor bsc are half the speed that mc is. |
| 21:58.32 | bws42 | tuv just wanted to let you know that the ppp method in interfaces fixed my DSL problem, thanks |
| 21:58.34 | cydork | evilgeek, ya but still you will be installing it in a subdirectory of already installed system.. it will not turn the original linux into debian. only debtakeover can do that.. |
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| 21:58.56 | tuv | bws42, great.. thanks for letting me know |
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| 21:59.55 | ry1 | tuv: were you the one I was talking to about wpa_supplicant last week or so? |
| 22:00.04 | evilgeek | cydork: oh, maybe i did use chroot from an initrd or something. regardless, chroot+debootstrap gives precisely this functionality. further, i believe that this is the most common use case for debootstrap. |
| 22:00.19 | Heartsbane | ? |
| 22:00.27 | Heartsbane | #debian-overflow? |
| 22:00.33 | dondelelcaro | you're in #debian |
| 22:00.34 | Heartsbane | How did I get there |
| 22:00.38 | tuv | ry1, hmm.. i remember talking to you some time recently but can't remember if it was wpa_supplicant. i can help with wpa_supplicant though |
| 22:00.38 | epsilon | where can I find synckookie option in 2.6.17.9? |
| 22:00.39 | Heartsbane | O I C |
| 22:00.47 | mmiikkee12 | Heartsbane: too many people here at once |
| 22:01.14 | stew | Heartsbane: we limit how fast we let people join the channel in order to protect us from bots, if you ever end up in #debian-overflow just wait a minute and retry #debian |
| 22:01.17 | mmiikkee12 | !tell mmiikkee12 about unstable faq |
| 22:01.27 | ry1 | tuv: awsome. I am running etch, and my question is, where does wpa_supplicant put it's config info in it's newest release? it doesn't seem to be /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf anymore |
| 22:01.28 | mmiikkee12 | !tell mmiikkee12 about sid faq |
| 22:01.43 | mmiikkee12 | oh yeah. you can /msg it too :P |
| 22:01.44 | cydork | mmiikkee12, use /msg dpkg |
| 22:01.48 | infernix | ry1: dpkg -L wpasupplicant |
| 22:01.54 | mmiikkee12 | cydork: sorry, just thought of that |
| 22:02.05 | tuv | ry1, you don't have to use wpa_supplicant.conf file anymore. you can put wpa options into /etc/network/interfaces directly |
| 22:02.18 | MannieX | hi, anyone use amule please ? |
| 22:02.32 | ry1 | tuv: really? do they look the same sas those that would go into a conf file in the passed? |
| 22:02.39 | MannieX | i have some problem with browser and i can't open the server list |
| 22:02.45 | LinuxYelp | Blissex, hows this for fstab: /dev/hda2 / ext3 defaults,sync,data=journal,commit=2 0 0 |
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| 22:02.59 | MannieX | please someone can say the edonkey ip and port please ? |
| 22:03.09 | ry1 | tuv: heh, sorry, don't know why I messed that up, what I meant is, can I still use the howtos google gave me on how to make .conf files and just put the same stuff into interfaces? |
| 22:03.17 | MannieX | or any server |
| 22:03.28 | bbelt16ag | has anybody ever setup icecast |
| 22:03.38 | LinuxYelp | !anybody |
| 22:03.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:03.39 | tuv | ry1, zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 22:03.44 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: looks good, note that 'sync' also has performance reduction. 'data=journal,commit=2' also slow down things, but not a lot. |
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| 22:04.34 | bbelt16ag | !icecast |
| 22:04.34 | dpkg | [icecast] a GPL'd live mp3 streamer, http://www.icecast.org/ |
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| 22:05.38 | LinuxYelp | Blissex, thing is, I don't really see a point in commit=2, because it doesnt really stop me from loosing data.. |
| 22:05.59 | tuv | ry1, /etc/network/interfaces can take care of all your networking needs (TM) ;) |
| 22:05.59 | Blissex | LinuxYelp: naive comment... |
| 22:06.04 | LinuxYelp | if commit, is the seconds it takes to commit? |
| 22:07.03 | ry1 | tuv: thanks, checking that out now :) |
| 22:07.09 | bart416_ | g'nite |
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| 22:09.49 | mmiikkee12 | does a netboot installer boot by itself and do a netinstall or boot from another machine on the network? |
| 22:10.09 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:11.24 | cydork | mmiikkee12, it boots by itself and for more info /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:13.28 | mmiikkee12 | so there IS a sid netinstall |
| 22:13.31 | mmiikkee12 | cd |
| 22:13.33 | ry1 | tuv: so if I am using an atheros card, my stanza would look like "iface ath0 inet dhcp \wpa-driver madwifi \ wpa-ssid MySSid \ wpa-key-mgmt WPA-PSK (but I could change this to WEP right?) \ wpa-psk my password"? |
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| 22:15.23 | tuv | ry1, looks ok. note that wpa-psk expects the hex key while wpa-passphrase expects the ascii passphrase |
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| 22:15.56 | SevenIsPrime | Does anyone know how to replace "gs-esp" with "gs-gpl" without braking the CUPS system dependencies? |
| 22:15.57 | tuv | ry1, moreover, i found out that i need "pre-up ifconfig ath0 up" when using madwifi |
| 22:16.38 | SevenIsPrime | errm, debian SID/unstable btw. There is a rather nasty bug in the gs-esp package concerning accented characters. |
| 22:16.44 | ry1 | tuv: are you using something like ifplugd or laptop-net? |
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| 22:16.46 | tuv | ry1, also, i use "wpa-proto RSN" in addition to what you wrote |
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| 22:16.57 | tuv | ry1, i do use ifplugd |
| 22:17.01 | ry1 | okay |
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| 22:17.39 | tuv | ry1, make sure you remove the "auto" for your wired ethernet interface from the interfaces file if you're using ifplugd. and don't use ifplugd for your wireless interface |
| 22:18.09 | ry1 | tuv: but my wireless is a PCMCIA card that isn't in all the time, I need to hotplug it somehow |
| 22:18.27 | ry1 | I have both eth0 and ath0 set to allow_hotplug |
| 22:18.33 | ry1 | both are PCMCIA cards |
| 22:18.35 | tuv | ry1, oh.. then your case is different than mine. |
| 22:18.51 | tuv | ry1, i don't use ifplugd for my wireless interface, if that was your question |
| 22:19.01 | mmiikkee12 | hmm. can i re-erase a cd-rw and make the system think it's a dvd? :) |
| 22:19.09 | ugly | After loading the modules specified by 'sensors-detect,' I receive an error that 'sensors' "Can't access procfs/sysfs file," even though both /proc and /sys are mounted. This is occurring on 2 computers, each of which are using 2.6.x-686 kernel images. What could be causing this error? (both use eeprom module, in addition to another one) |
| 22:19.15 | ry1 | tuv: so since I do, do I need ifconfig pre-up? |
| 22:20.11 | tuv | ry1, you can try without it and if it doesn't work then try with it. i think you'll still need it. depends on your pcmcia scripts |
| 22:20.46 | tuv | ry1, i want my ath0 up on boot and it's not pcmica (built-in) |
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| 22:21.23 | tuv | ry1, note that ifplugd respects what's in interfaces file |
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| 22:22.37 | ry1 | tuv: here we go, let's see if this works |
| 22:24.30 | ry1 | tuv: it works, but I did have to use dhclient to get an IP though |
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| 22:24.52 | ry1 | and, what did you do to make it support roaming? or do you have to put every ap you use into interfaces? |
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| 22:25.15 | tuv | ry1, hmm.. i have a single ap.. sorry |
| 22:25.39 | ry1 | tuv: okay, another question I had was: do you have your madwifi patched for packet injection? |
| 22:25.41 | tuv | ry1, shouldn't all the ap's use the same essid? |
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| 22:25.53 | nuxien | hello |
| 22:25.54 | ry1 | tuv: no, I meant different locations |
| 22:26.06 | tuv | ry1, i'm using debian's madwifi-source compiled with module-assistant |
| 22:26.12 | nuxien | i would like to know the differences between testing and unstable |
| 22:26.27 | ry1 | tuv: ah, so you don't use aircrack or anything like that? |
| 22:26.30 | tuv | ry1, oh. for different locations i have different entries in the interfaces file |
| 22:26.37 | ry1 | tuv: okay, thanks :) |
| 22:26.53 | stew | nuxien: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 22:26.56 | tuv | ry1, i use a mapping script to select which entry in the interfaces file to use |
| 22:27.03 | tuv | ry1, man interfaces for detail |
| 22:27.03 | infernix | heh. turns out i like xfe best. freekin windows explorer style file manager :) |
| 22:27.17 | ry1 | tuv: thanks |
| 22:27.20 | tuv | ry1, sure |
| 22:27.57 | tuv | ry1, i tried aircrack once on an ipw2200 machine, not the madwifi one, but didn't try packet injection |
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| 22:28.53 | ry1 | tuv: okay, because I know packet injection .patch files exist for madwifi, but I have no idea how they work :) |
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| 22:29.50 | tuv | ry1, probably using the "patch" program |
| 22:30.12 | ry1 | tuv: maybe, it seemed to hang up for me |
| 22:30.34 | tuv | ry1, make sure you have the exact source version for which the patch was made |
| 22:30.56 | ry1 | tuv: do you also put your wep protected wlans in interfaces? and I do, maybe it's a problem with the patch itself |
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| 22:32.35 | tuv | ry1, for wep lans you don't need wpa_supplicant. man wireless to see how to fit wep lans into the interfaces file |
| 22:33.14 | ry1 | tuv: thanks |
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| 22:33.49 | tuv | ry1, or better yet: less /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 22:36.29 | blackelf | whan in the fucks name! |
| 22:36.43 | blackelf | I want to print a page, and the damn CUPS tells me that I reached a quote limit! I never set no limit |
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| 22:37.26 | ph00 | maybe you didn't pay your printing license |
| 22:37.29 | ph00 | mhuahahahaha |
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| 22:38.40 | blackelf | ah, fixed it. |
| 22:38.49 | ph00 | mount as in mounting filesystems I hope... |
| 22:38.49 | blackelf | the allowed users where borked |
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| 22:39.08 | blackelf | but the error message was missleading. GOod thing I read /var/logs |
| 22:40.01 | Ryengoth | l8rz |
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| 22:43.19 | ry1 | tuv: the interfaces manpage didn't have much on mapping scripts, but it did say I could find one in the /examples dir, where is that? :) |
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| 22:43.57 | tuv | ry1, /usr/share/doc/ifupdown iirc |
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| 22:44.25 | ry1 | tuv: thanks |
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| 22:45.11 | drantin | is there a way to make a chroot utilize an Xsession running on its host? |
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| 22:46.37 | ry1 | tuv: whatever iirc is, it doesn't exist within the ifupdown folder |
| 22:46.51 | dondelelcaro | drantin: yes |
| 22:47.05 | dondelelcaro | drantin: you either have to have the server listening on localhost, or bind mount the socket into the chroot |
| 22:47.09 | ry1 | tuv: never mind, I took you too literally |
| 22:47.12 | ry1 | :) |
| 22:47.13 | tuv | ry1, iirc: if i remember correctly |
| 22:47.26 | tuv | ry1, and yes i remembered correctly |
| 22:47.27 | ry1 | tuv: sorry about that, you did remember correctly :) |
| 22:48.39 | drantin | dondelelcaro: thanks, looking into bind mounting |
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| 22:51.33 | ry1 | tuv: are you sure there isn't an easier way than mapping scripts? |
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| 22:53.36 | Vasistha | Is it advisable to copy /boot/config-2.6.8-whatever to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/ before doing a make menuconfig ? |
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| 22:54.33 | eml | Hmm, I need to find out how to add debian-nonfree to my sources, where can I find information about it? |
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| 22:54.47 | eml | Perhaps not debian-nonfree, but something nonfree at least, to get unrar |
| 22:54.57 | Vasistha | eml: man sources.list |
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| 22:55.17 | tuv | ry1, oh it's very easy and effective. i can paste you my script if you like |
| 22:55.31 | eml | Well actually Vasistha, I need to know the lines to add :) |
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| 22:56.09 | Vasistha | eml: well it's much easier if I actually know what your sources.list actually looks like, but you can usually just add non-free after main |
| 22:56.19 | eml | Okay, thanks |
| 22:56.45 | __honky | Vasistha: be sure to have an make oldconfig before the make menuconfig |
| 22:56.46 | eml | Yup, worked. Thanks a lot Vasistha |
| 22:56.49 | CHodapp | Okay, so a C source file has #include "radeon_screen.h". radeon_screen.h is in the same directory as the C source. Why is makedepend bitching that it can't find it? |
| 22:57.09 | Vasistha | __honky: ...regardless of whether I copy it over from /boot ? |
| 22:57.29 | Vasistha | eml: you're welcome ... you may also want to add it to your security updates line |
| 22:57.37 | eml | Ok |
| 22:57.47 | Vasistha | eml: and additionally you might want to add 'contrib' |
| 22:57.59 | tuv | ry1, http://pastebin.ca/138083 |
| 22:58.02 | __honky | Vasistha: depends on what defaults you want to start with, can't hurt anyway |
| 22:58.35 | Vasistha | __honky: I'd just as soon start with debian's sanctioned defaults, and I would assume those would appear in /boot as opposed to somewhere else, is that right? |
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| 22:58.40 | tuv | ry1, and then i have "mapping wlan0 |
| 22:58.40 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.38 | __honky | Vasistha: yes |
| 22:59.58 | Vasistha | __honky: ahh, excellent, thanks. Well, if all goes well, I may actually run a 2.6 kernel for the first time today |
| 23:00.00 | ezu | when installing debian on a older laptop with a PCMCIA network card, is it possible to use the network installer with this card or would it be best to download one of the cd's? |
| 23:00.02 | ry1 | tuv: thanks |
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| 23:00.15 | ry1 | ezu: it is possible |
| 23:00.24 | ry1 | it should work as normal, how old is the laptop? |
| 23:00.30 | Vasistha | ezu: depends whether your network card is supported with drivers, but there's like a 99% chance that it is. |
| 23:00.32 | __honky | Vasistha: The linux-image-2.6* .deb puts it there |
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| 23:01.12 | Vasistha | __honky: I kinda figured it did. Although since it doesn't actually work, I guess I'd just as well remove linux-image-2.6 after grabbing the sample config |
| 23:01.14 | ezu | ry1, its a old dell laptop.. umm im guessing at least 5 years old. i can not find much information on its release date or processor specs |
| 23:01.26 | Marupa | hi, does anyone know of a good 3d modelling tool for linux that's easy to pick up and learn? |
| 23:01.27 | ry1 | ezu: a latitude 600 something? |
| 23:01.35 | ezu | inspiron 3500 |
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| 23:01.43 | ry1 | ezu: and what kind of nic card? |
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| 23:02.00 | ry1 | ezu: I am using a 4 or so year old panasonic toughbook cf-47 with a dlink nic |
| 23:02.22 | hjubal | bye |
| 23:02.56 | ry1 | tuv: how do I disconnect from my ssid without bringing down the whole iface? |
| 23:03.22 | tuv | ry1, iwconfig essid <new-essid>, as root |
| 23:03.41 | ezu | one sec |
| 23:03.53 | tuv | ry1, oops. iwconfig <if-name> essid <new-essid> |
| 23:04.29 | ry1 | tuv: I don't want to switch, I want to be able to put my card in monitor mode, so I don't want to be on any iface |
| 23:04.45 | tuv | ry1, iwconfig <if-name> mode monitor |
| 23:05.55 | ry1 | tuv: it gives me an invalid argument |
| 23:06.19 | tuv | ry1, then it depends on the driver. read madwifi docs. |
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| 23:06.29 | ry1 | tuv: k, thanks |
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| 23:07.21 | ezu | ry1, you know what, im not sure. i poped out what i thought was the nic card but its apparently a winmodem.. 3com megahertz 3cxm356.. i just got this laptop from my brother so im still learning about what it can do |
| 23:07.43 | ry1 | ezu: you might want to go buy a dlink PCMCIA nic or something :) |
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| 23:10.32 | ezu | well i have a dlink wireless nic for it as well, i have another nic that I think I can use for this also.. the weird thing is, in the case is the gear (including the jack in to the nic) to plug in for rj45 for ethernet |
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| 23:10.55 | ry1 | ezu: one of those anal dongles from 3com? |
| 23:11.12 | Malagmyr | what package is "play" in? |
| 23:11.18 | ezu | ya |
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| 23:13.06 | Marupa | hi, I'm trying to figure out how to enable my joysticks (one's USB, the other's game-port) And I have no idea what I'm doing Could someone help? |
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| 23:13.16 | ry1 | ezu: oh god, get a new nic |
| 23:14.24 | ezu | im trying to find my old nic that i use to have.. that thing was great |
| 23:14.31 | ezu | good solid 10baseT :) |
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| 23:17.44 | Marupa | could someone please help me? I don't know what I'm doing. |
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| 23:18.13 | Malagmyr | !search /usr/bin/play |
| 23:18.19 | Malagmyr | :( |
| 23:19.02 | Emiml | Marupa: usb joysticks should work automaticly |
| 23:19.13 | Marupa | it read it fine...how the heck do I use it? |
| 23:19.56 | Marupa | reads it, as in, dmesg sees it. |
| 23:19.59 | Vasistha | Marupa: btw, I have no experience, but have you checked out blender for 3d graphics? |
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| 23:20.08 | Marupa | yes, I have, Vasistha. |
| 23:21.19 | Emiml | dpkg: !apt-file |
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| 23:21.41 | eml | Sängen! God natt. |
| 23:21.47 | eml | Oh, sorry, wrong channel. |
| 23:21.59 | Emiml | Marupa: ant to find in wich package is /usr/bin/play you should use apt-file |
| 23:22.18 | jelly-home | !find bin/play sarge |
| 23:22.30 | jelly-home | sox? |
| 23:22.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/play' (8 of 10): (/usr/bin/play) in sound/sox ;; (/usr/bin/playem.pl) in gnome/pimppa ;; (/usr/bin/playmidi) in sound/playmidi ;; (/usr/bin/playbucket) in sound/nas-bin ;; (/usr/bin/playdv) in graphics/libdv-bin ;; (/usr/bin/playmp3list) in sound/playmp3list ;; (/usr/bin/playsound) in libs/libsdl-sound1.2 ;; (/usr/bin/play-sample) in sound/sound-recorder. |
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| 23:25.04 | three | Hi! Short question: Is kernel 2.4 fine for unstable or is 2.6 recommended? Or should one even upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6 after upgrading from current stable to unstable? |
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| 23:26.19 | ezu | kernel does not really change a whole lot.. if 2.4 is working for you though I would stick with it unles you see a need to upgrade |
| 23:26.34 | ry1 | oh come on, everyone knows 2.6 is better :) |
| 23:27.02 | ry1 | three: you don't need to upgrade to unstable to run 2.6 |
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| 23:27.18 | jelly-home | ry1: 2.6 is in constant flux too. |
| 23:27.24 | ry1 | ezu: a new PCMCIA nic will cost about 30 bucks US from most stores |
| 23:27.58 | ezu | ry1, ehhe i just know 2.6 offers more drivers and a few better choices in some areas. it has been about 3 years since i used linux last so my kernel information is fairly out of date.. |
| 23:28.22 | ezu | i am a very poor college student :) 30$ is a lot right now |
| 23:28.26 | ry1 | ezu: but I would advise getting one that takes the cable directly without the use of a dongle because in my experience, the dongle breaks and you can't use the card anymore. only problem is that the non dongle nics will take up your other PCMCIA slot if you have two of them. |
| 23:28.29 | ezu | if i can find my old one i will be happen |
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| 23:28.40 | three | ry1: Just wanted to know the other way around, whether 2.6 is needed for unstable :) Thx.. |
| 23:28.45 | Mitar | is there any package which would give me some diff tool for big files (1 GB big) |
| 23:28.53 | Mitar | normal diff does not handle it |
| 23:29.14 | ry1 | three: I wouldn't advise upgrading to unstable without upgrading kernel, though I have done it, only problem is that some packages may require 2.6 |
| 23:29.37 | ezu | stable is running 2.6 isnt it? |
| 23:29.46 | ry1 | ezu: sarge? not usually |
| 23:30.16 | ezu | ah i think i am thinking etch is stable right now |
| 23:30.18 | jelly-home | ezu: you can find pcmcia network cards on ebay for less, since most laptops today already have a nic. |
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| 23:31.19 | jelly-home | ezu: also, if that card you took of the dell was a mini-pci, there's a possibility that it can be replaced with one that has both modem and a nic on it. |
| 23:31.21 | ezu | i have so many nic's for my PC's sitting around.. is it possible to do network install over wireless? I wouldnt suggest it normally but it might be my best bet |
| 23:32.08 | ry1 | ezu: I don't believe so |
| 23:32.15 | ezu | jelly, as far as i can tell this one is winmodem only |
| 23:32.31 | ry1 | ezu: there's too much config involved, though that might be a feature in the debian install for the future |
| 23:33.00 | ry1 | assuming you could compile all known wifi drivers into the install kernel :) |
| 23:33.47 | three | ry1: So I guess I'll upgrade the kernel after upgrading Debian.. Thanks! |
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| 23:34.12 | ry1 | three: if you do it through apt, it should do it automatically |
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| 23:35.45 | jae | Stupid overflow crap |
| 23:35.56 | three | ry1: I always compile the kernel myself. |
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| 23:36.00 | ezu | eheh i found it.. new media live wire 10 nic :) |
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| 23:36.12 | eugman | what is a dsc file? |
| 23:36.21 | LinuxYelp | please help, apt-get update gives me: Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 23:36.22 | ry1 | three: as do I |
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| 23:38.01 | three | ry1: Hell, if I don't compile everything myself, I want to compile that kernel at least. :P |
| 23:38.59 | eugman | Where can I dowload the .deb for gtypist? |
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| 23:39.30 | five0` | which dev mechanism does sarge-release use? |
| 23:39.41 | five0` | 2.6.8 is still devfs, isn't it? |
| 23:39.56 | dondelelcaro | five0`: it can use devfs or udev. |
| 23:39.59 | dondelelcaro | (or makedev) |
| 23:40.58 | five0` | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks. My fstab appears to be in a udev format, but neither the udev package is installed, nor is there a etc/udev rules directory |
| 23:41.12 | SerajewelKS | is there some way to request that all, say, outgoing IPv6 connections happen from one interface? |
| 23:41.23 | SerajewelKS | not the one "closest" to the destination? |
| 23:41.24 | five0` | dondelelcaro: installing udev doesn't produce anything different |
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| 23:41.30 | dondelelcaro | five0`: you don't add a udev entry to your fstab; it just does it when it boots |
| 23:41.39 | bws42 | SerajewelKS default route out that iface? |
| 23:41.44 | orchid | eugman: http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/gtypist click on the download arch you want |
| 23:41.54 | five0` | dondelelcaro: no, i mean the nomenclature of fstab |
| 23:41.56 | eugman | thanks |
| 23:42.04 | SerajewelKS | bws42: not out the interface, but having the source address of that interface |
| 23:42.20 | orchid | eugman: choose unstable, testing if your not on sarge of course |
| 23:42.26 | dondelelcaro | five0`: eh? there's no fstab entry needed for udev |
| 23:42.36 | bws42 | SerajewelKS for a specific program? |
| 23:42.55 | SerajewelKS | bws42: e.g. i have a tunnel interface, and eth0 has a routeable v6 address on my v6 subnet. i want the source address to be eth0's, not the tunnel endpoint. |
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| 23:43.08 | SerajewelKS | bws42: at the moment yes, but maybe not later |
| 23:43.26 | eugman | Actually i'm converting it for a personal dsl cd but I think I understand the different versions. |
| 23:43.31 | RAZVRATNIK | hi doys and girls |
| 23:43.37 | RAZVRATNIK | ops |
| 23:43.38 | jelly-home | five0`: udev didn't tamper with fstab here. |
| 23:43.40 | RAZVRATNIK | boys |
| 23:43.49 | RAZVRATNIK | GIRLLLLLLLLLLL ?????? |
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| 23:44.30 | bws42 | I honestly don't know how it decides which IP to use |
| 23:44.36 | bws42 | mine uses the tunnel IP as well |
| 23:44.39 | SerajewelKS | bws42: as far as i am concerned, the eth0 address is the address of this box. the tunnel address is just the endpoint; i don't want connections to look like it's coming from there. |
| 23:44.57 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: the banned users' nick meant "pervert" in croatian, btw |
| 23:45.00 | bws42 | why? technically that's an IP of that box as well |
| 23:45.20 | SerajewelKS | bws42: not the address it's assigned with DNS |
| 23:45.31 | De_Mon | can I create a raid0 logicalvolumn using lvm? |
| 23:45.36 | De_Mon | volume |
| 23:45.37 | bws42 | okay true, they don't usually give you reverse dns for that IP |
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| 23:45.49 | SerajewelKS | bws42: *nod* |
| 23:45.57 | bws42 | SerajewelKS sixxs? |
| 23:46.01 | SerajewelKS | bws42: yes |
| 23:46.16 | mmiikkee12 | \o/ i have unstable installed |
| 23:46.19 | SerajewelKS | bws42: reverse is working (dig -x 2001:4830:152e:1::1) |
| 23:46.35 | mmiikkee12 | but it's at an annoyingly low refresh rate and high resolution |
| 23:46.40 | SerajewelKS | mmiikkee12: let the breakage begin! |
| 23:46.46 | eugman | Ich kann deb2dsl nicht finde. Hilfe! |
| 23:46.47 | bws42 | SerajewelKS right |
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| 23:46.55 | eugman | It doesn't seem to be on the livecd |
| 23:46.57 | mmiikkee12 | SerajewelKS, you're not helping. |
| 23:47.05 | SerajewelKS | bws42: so i want things to come from that address |
| 23:47.20 | SerajewelKS | mmiikkee12: nope, just trying to joke around a bit |
| 23:47.20 | karsten | !de |
| 23:47.20 | dpkg | de is probably Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 23:47.22 | eugman | whoops |
| 23:47.24 | eugman | wrong channel |
| 23:47.35 | jelly-home | eugman: hmm, you won't get help for damn small linux here |
| 23:47.42 | karsten | eugman: Keine Problem |
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| 23:48.08 | bws42 | SerajewelKS I'm not really sure how to do that, but it is an interesting question |
| 23:48.19 | SerajewelKS | bws42: likely it's picking the address of the interface closest to the destination, which in this case is the address on the default route's interface |
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| 23:49.50 | bws42 | SerajewelKS what program? |
| 23:49.52 | SerajewelKS | also, how can i statically assign a v6 address in the interfaces file on an interface that also is configured with v4 by DHCP? |
| 23:50.05 | SerajewelKS | bws42: irssi. i can't find a source option in /help connect |
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| 23:51.14 | bws42 | SerajewelKS for the other interface add another interface declaration, i.e. if the first was interface eth0 inet dhcp, then create another like interface eth0 inet6 static |
| 23:51.19 | bws42 | and then put the proper info |
| 23:51.24 | ry1 | guys: I am using madwifi with an atheros card. Now, I can download from the net just fine, but is there a reason I can't upload or ssh into that box? |
| 23:51.25 | bws42 | just learned that yesterday :) |
| 23:51.38 | SerajewelKS | bws42: interesting |
| 23:51.52 | bws42 | SerajewelKS works like a charm on my router |
| 23:52.34 | SerajewelKS | bws42: i'll do that when i'm back home; the box is remote and i'm not messing with eth0 remotely =) |
| 23:52.49 | bws42 | heh, why not? it's so much fun :P |
| 23:53.09 | SerajewelKS | a 15 hour drive to fix it wouldn't be fun |
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| 23:53.52 | bws42 | yeah I know what that's like, my router's HD died and I had some people who don't know much about linux reinstall it, then once it was back on the internet I fixed the rest |
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| 23:56.17 | ry1 | bws42: what do you use as a router? IPCop? |
| 23:56.56 | bws42 | SerajewelKS I'm not sure if there's a way to do what you want to be honest, at least not an easy way that I can think of |
| 23:57.52 | SerajewelKS | bws42: hmm thanks anyway |
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| 23:58.23 | SerajewelKS | maybe #ipv6 will know |
| 23:58.29 | bws42 | ry1: it's just a normal debian box..., not sure what |
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| 23:58.49 | ry1 | bws: ah |
| 23:58.55 | bws42 | ry1: with a firewall script I wrote, a dns server, dhcp, squid, and some stats stuff |
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| 23:59.06 | ry1 | bws: awsome |
| 23:59.32 | bws42 | ry1 read a whole lot of HOWTOs and lartc at least 10 times |
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| 23:59.50 | mmiikkee12 | any idea how to get the nvidia driver on unstable kernel 2.6.16-2? |
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