| 00:00.04 | streuner | poonj: well, manoj has a nice website about |
| 00:00.12 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: although its not f.d.o ... just f.us.d.o but its better than before probably :) |
| 00:00.12 | enouf | lunitik: I coulda swore I saw stew do that earlier....oh well |
| 00:00.13 | g333k | phogg, I go for the compilation |
| 00:00.52 | enouf | lunitik: doh!...I see -- more info than before |
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| 00:01.52 | streuner | poonj: http://www.golden-gryphon.com/software/security/selinux.xhtml |
| 00:02.13 | streuner | poonj: here is everything about selinux and how debian handle selinux... |
| 00:02.53 | poonj | oh awesome |
| 00:02.56 | poonj | thanks streuner |
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| 00:12.13 | streuner | stoned: your i-net connection seems to "stoned" too ;-) |
| 00:12.15 | enouf | bluefox: have you checked out : #deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sid main contrib non-free restricted |
| 00:12.40 | stoned | kinda |
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| 00:13.07 | streuner | :-) |
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| 00:13.54 | stoned | it should be good now |
| 00:14.13 | streuner | haha |
| 00:14.21 | enouf | bluefox83: I must be stoned ;P -- I mean have you checked out : #deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian sid main contrib non-free restricted |
| 00:14.37 | streuner | you are saying that, when you just connect 3 times ... :-) |
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| 00:14.58 | streuner | s/connect/connected/ |
| 00:15.39 | streuner | stoned: you are an optimist :-) |
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| 00:17.02 | thingfish | or, he's just stoned. :) |
| 00:17.21 | streuner | haha |
| 00:17.55 | stoned | I am using nvidia twinview. I am running 2880 x 1200 as a metamode and its going at 50Hz and hurts my eyes. Is there a way I can have each monitor run at its optimal refresh rate, even at a smaller resolution I don't mind, and maybe NOT use a metamode since I think thats what causing the refresh rate slowdown. I still want a dual head/desktop though. |
| 00:18.41 | stoned | like run both monitors optimally and then connect them somehow after X starts so the desktop is spanned across both monitors, but without using twinview maybe |
| 00:18.55 | stoned | this low refresh rate is going to make me blind |
| 00:19.57 | stoned | Xinerama never works with kwin the wm I use btw |
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| 00:22.59 | Cooner750 | I installed KDE but now my Gtk apps look horrible. What to do? |
| 00:23.13 | jair | guys quick question... I know it is a way I can see the gnome or kde from a windows machine using a x emulator like putty or xterm? so i can actually run the commands gui from the windows machines? |
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| 00:23.43 | jair | and I think I have to use export DISPLAY=ipaddress 0.0 |
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| 00:24.25 | libertad0 | Saludos |
| 00:24.26 | dondelelcaro | jair: use cygwin and it's X server, or some other X server for windows |
| 00:24.31 | libertad0 | Alguien tiene experiencia con PHP? |
| 00:24.32 | dondelelcaro | s/it's/its/ |
| 00:24.40 | dondelelcaro | libertad0: try #php |
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| 00:24.50 | dondelelcaro | (or #debian-es) |
| 00:24.53 | danf_1979 | Iibertado, #php-es |
| 00:24.55 | libertad0 | dondelelcaro, ok |
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| 00:25.08 | epsilon | jair: ehh, you want to run Linux gui program under win? |
| 00:25.10 | libertad0 | en esos canales no me pudieron ayudar |
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| 00:25.23 | danf_1979 | libertad0, contactame |
| 00:25.37 | libertad0 | danf_1979, en privado? |
| 00:25.53 | danf_1979 | yes |
| 00:26.38 | bluefox83 | that debian-unofficial source didn't work cus of no public key o.o |
| 00:26.52 | epsilon | btw, running gnome unter windows via cygwin is fun :) |
| 00:27.04 | waltz | why isn't my cdrom working? |
| 00:27.18 | waltz | I can't mount it |
| 00:27.19 | cafuego | where fun means "painful and wrong". |
| 00:27.31 | bluefox83 | waltz, that's a very general question, be more specific |
| 00:27.51 | waltz | well, what do you want me to be specific about? :o |
| 00:28.03 | bluefox83 | you get any output? |
| 00:28.18 | waltz | no, just says device doesn't exist |
| 00:28.18 | bluefox83 | are you trying to mount as root or as regular user? |
| 00:28.21 | waltz | root |
| 00:28.27 | waltz | it doesn't *see* the drive |
| 00:28.36 | bluefox83 | so mount /dev/cdrom does not work? |
| 00:28.41 | waltz | also I'm using a version I got in October 2005 |
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| 00:29.06 | bluefox83 | what distro are you running? o.o |
| 00:29.11 | waltz | I can't mount it via the GNOME interface either |
| 00:29.16 | waltz | sarge 3.1 |
| 00:29.35 | bluefox83 | ...are you using that machine for a server? |
| 00:30.08 | bluefox83 | like a print server or web server? |
| 00:30.10 | lunitik | bluefox83: don't do it! /msg dpkg bpo instead ;) |
| 00:30.51 | bluefox83 | why the hell do i need backports o.o |
| 00:30.52 | libertad0 | danf_1979, te llegaron mis mensajes |
| 00:30.54 | libertad0 | ? |
| 00:31.08 | Cooner750 | anyone know what to do about Gtk apps looking bad in KDE? |
| 00:31.09 | lunitik | bluefox83: seemed you were about to recommend etch or sid |
| 00:31.24 | lunitik | Cooner750: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ? |
| 00:31.24 | bluefox83 | lunitik, i certainly was :P |
| 00:31.34 | waltz | bluefox83: no, a regular multi-user desktop |
| 00:31.41 | lunitik | bluefox83: dont' do it... point them at backports if you must |
| 00:32.22 | danf_1979 | libertad0, registra tu nick |
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| 00:32.42 | bluefox83 | lunitik, you have any issues with flash not showing any text? |
| 00:32.54 | bluefox83 | none of my buttons have text labels |
| 00:33.07 | lunitik | bluefox83: I have Konqi only load flash crap on request |
| 00:33.11 | bluefox83 | and as soon as i remember how to take a screenshot i'll take one for you... |
| 00:33.20 | lunitik | bluefox83: only installed so I can play games etc |
| 00:33.32 | libertad0 | danf_1979, ahora si te llego? |
| 00:33.39 | bluefox83 | lunitik, yeah..trying to get flash to work for some kill-the-boredom games :) |
| 00:34.04 | bluefox83 | but for some reason no text is ever shown in my flash stuff... |
| 00:34.08 | lunitik | bluefox83: I've had no issues with the games I've tried to play, no |
| 00:34.14 | bluefox83 | :( |
| 00:34.20 | bluefox83 | i wonder what the problem is! |
| 00:34.29 | lunitik | bluefox83: other than games.com being slow as fuck... but yeah |
| 00:35.14 | lunitik | bluefox83: games there sometimes had that issue... lately its been fine though |
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| 00:36.08 | bluefox83 | lunitik, when i bring up the macromedia settings panel, none of the buttons of text...i have no idea what anything does |
| 00:36.12 | maeraj | I'm in a situation where the configuration for a partially installed packaged failed. I do not even want the package, but I cannot remove it. |
| 00:36.19 | bluefox83 | *buttons have text |
| 00:36.31 | lunitik | bluefox83: that sounds like fun... here, that certainly works |
| 00:37.03 | bluefox83 | lunitik, maybe i have multiple versions of flash installed on top of each other? |
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| 00:38.05 | lunitik | ew @ games.come being acquired by AOL or something :/ |
| 00:39.47 | lunitik | bluefox83: no idea about that though |
| 00:40.55 | bluefox83 | where is firefox located? i have more locations than i can handle ol.o |
| 00:40.57 | bluefox83 | o.o |
| 00:41.18 | lunitik | bluefox83: the plugins? |
| 00:41.24 | bluefox83 | yeah |
| 00:41.34 | lunitik | bluefox83: dpkg -L firefox <-- everything else ... |
| 00:41.43 | lunitik | bluefox83: /usr/lib/firefox/plugins |
| 00:42.13 | waltz | well? |
| 00:42.19 | bluefox83 | gonna try this the hard way... |
| 00:42.21 | lunitik | waltz: well what? |
| 00:42.29 | waltz | bluefox83: do you know the issue with the problem I described? |
| 00:42.30 | waltz | :o |
| 00:44.04 | waltz | ha! |
| 00:44.12 | waltz | gotchya |
| 00:44.16 | Vladi | hi, is there a way to force a scsi controller to re-detect all the drives? |
| 00:44.25 | waltz | wait, what am I asking about Gnome? :\ |
| 00:44.40 | cafuego | Vladi: Yes, there is. |
| 00:44.55 | cafuego | Vladi: I thought you had gotten lost though (and were cat?!) |
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| 00:45.08 | bluefox83 | waltz, check, make sure your drive is plugged in completely, you'd be suprised how a loose IDE cable can screw shit up |
| 00:45.14 | Vladi | cafuego: can u please let me know how |
| 00:45.18 | waltz | that's impossible |
| 00:45.22 | waltz | any other possibilities? |
| 00:45.30 | bluefox83 | nothing is impossible :p |
| 00:45.44 | lunitik | waltz: ahh, I didn't scroll back far enough... what exactly are you doing to mount it right now? |
| 00:45.47 | cafuego | Vladi: There used to be a shell script called 'rescan_scsi_bus.sh' that came with the firewire driver. Google for it, it is what you want. |
| 00:45.47 | waltz | :/ |
| 00:45.55 | enouf | bluefox83: Address the name 1st -- you said "that debian-unofficial source didn't work cus of no public key o.o" not for me on Sid |
| 00:46.05 | Vladi | cafuego: its a "Adaptec AIC-7899P U160/m" using aic7xxx module. Ok thanks! |
| 00:46.07 | waltz | lunitik: mounting it as root, and mounting via the Gnome interface |
| 00:46.12 | bluefox83 | enouf, dunno what to tell ya |
| 00:46.19 | waltz | i.e. right-click, "Mount Volume" |
| 00:46.23 | lunitik | waltz: no, what are you typing :/ |
| 00:46.29 | waltz | it states that the device doesn't exist |
| 00:46.38 | enouf | bluefox83: you answered (or responded) but not to me -- so I didn't see it |
| 00:46.38 | waltz | mount /dev/cdrom |
| 00:46.53 | waltz | hmm, hold on |
| 00:47.06 | enouf | bluefox83: I use Colors to discern |
| 00:47.23 | lunitik | waltz: does /dev/fstab know anything about it? |
| 00:47.39 | jochem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.45 | lunitik | uhh... yeah |
| 00:47.46 | lunitik | haha |
| 00:47.59 | lunitik | My fingers aren't listening to me, thanks :P |
| 00:48.02 | jochem | :) |
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| 00:48.19 | enouf | bluefox83: I goota go soon -- want any more info from moi? |
| 00:48.32 | bluefox83 | enouf, no thanks... |
| 00:49.24 | enouf | bluefox83: FWIW -- view the 'restricted' area on that site -- then view the READMEs or whatever .. I hate moacromonkey shit personally |
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| 00:49.46 | enouf | bluefox83: s/moa/macromonkey |
| 00:49.50 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.15 | cafuego | egrep "string1|string2" line? |
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| 00:50.40 | dondelelcaro | grep 'string1'|grep 'string2' works too... |
| 00:50.42 | waltz | aha |
| 00:50.53 | waltz | during boot it says "No CD/DVD devices found" |
| 00:51.02 | waltz | but at first it detects both drives |
| 00:51.07 | cafuego | mine is not BOTH, but EITHER |
| 00:51.08 | waltz | weird, huh |
| 00:51.09 | magyar | cafuego: thank you |
| 00:51.18 | foofighter24 | Hello everyone. Does anyone here have experience with dmraid? I am trying to recover my raid0... |
| 00:51.41 | cafuego | foofighter24: raid0 is typically not recoverable on disk failure. |
| 00:51.59 | waltz | lunitik: no, /etc/fstab does not know |
| 00:52.04 | waltz | nor does /etc/mtab |
| 00:52.07 | foofighter24 | well not the raid hds went down but the system hd, now I am trying to remount the raid after a reinstall |
| 00:52.29 | enouf | dondelelcaro: I just did that earlier today trying to isolate hal-device info, but I used 'lshal' instead -- it works great ...try 'lshal | grep info.product | grep US' for all USB devices |
| 00:52.32 | lunitik | waltz: then you need to let it know, else you can't just type "mount /dev/cdrom" |
| 00:52.47 | waltz | oh? |
| 00:52.49 | foofighter24 | I use dmraid-1.0.0.rc11 which fixed a bug |
| 00:52.49 | dondelelcaro | I don't use hal |
| 00:52.51 | waltz | how do I "let it know"? |
| 00:53.31 | foofighter24 | but when I do dmraid -s it shows my raid as a size of 0 |
| 00:53.35 | cafuego | foofighter24: Ah ok... can't help ya with dmraid (only use md myself) |
| 00:53.44 | enouf | dondelelcaro: I'm sure you can carry through the thought -- but out of curiousity - are you on Sarge ? |
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| 00:54.23 | foofighter24 | hm ok, would you have a link handy for a tut? I will wipe the os hd and try with md then... |
| 00:54.48 | dondelelcaro | enouf: I use most of the distributions, but I have no use for hal. |
| 00:54.50 | foofighter24 | been trying to recover that raid for the last couple days and it's been giving me serious headaches... |
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| 00:55.30 | cafuego | foofighter24: This is why I avoid raid0 and device-mapper ;-) |
| 00:55.49 | enouf | dondelelcaro: understood ...anyway -- gotta go folks - hot date :-) |
| 00:55.52 | waltz | ?? |
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| 00:56.30 | waltz | how do I make /etc/fstab aware of /dev/cdrom? |
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| 00:56.55 | foofighter24 | I should have never done a sw-raid... I should have just hooked up the two hds... stupid me |
| 00:57.17 | waltz | lunitik, you there? |
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| 00:59.08 | waltz | well sorry :\ |
| 00:59.11 | waltz | I'll go look |
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| 01:04.57 | foofighter24 | cafuego: how would I recover my raid0 with md, I don't have my old raidtab anymore... |
| 01:05.32 | cafuego | foofighter24: md != dm; so simply scanning for components with mdadm wouldn't help. (afaik) |
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| 01:06.47 | foofighter24 | ic |
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| 01:08.36 | Marticus | does someone know if there is a backport somewhere for apache 2.0.59 for sarge? |
| 01:08.54 | dondelelcaro | Marticus: b.p.o probably has it |
| 01:09.03 | dondelelcaro | s/\.// |
| 01:09.04 | Marticus | b.p.o ? |
| 01:09.08 | dondelelcaro | Marticus: backports.org |
| 01:09.29 | dondelelcaro | well, it'll be of 2.0.55 |
| 01:09.31 | foofighter24 | Well I will go take my chances with md... and then bury my hds or throw them out the window... |
| 01:09.46 | Marticus | dondelelcaro: I don't see either there |
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| 01:10.27 | foofighter24 | thanks for the help cafuego |
| 01:10.46 | dondelelcaro | Marticus: what do you need a newer version of apache for? |
| 01:10.56 | Marticus | well, I need at least 2.0.55 |
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| 01:11.09 | Marticus | I'm building the newest subversion |
| 01:11.24 | cafuego | well, such as it is |
| 01:12.00 | cafuego | foofighter24: if you can't get them back, use 'lvm' next time, not raid0. |
| 01:12.21 | foofighter24 | I will NEVER use sw-raid again. 3ware for the win... |
| 01:12.23 | dondelelcaro | Marticus: well, you can probably do a manual backport to sarge fairly easily. |
| 01:12.37 | Marticus | dondelelcaro heh, if I knew what I was doing, maybe |
| 01:12.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell Marticus -about simple sid backport |
| 01:12.58 | foofighter24 | cafuego, one last question: one can use md with the latest kernels (2.6.17 or so) right? |
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| 01:13.07 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: ssb is <reply> see simple sid backport |
| 01:13.07 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 01:13.11 | cafuego | foofighter24: absolutely |
| 01:13.18 | Luke-Jr | I'm getting errors like "socket: Address family not supported by protocol" when I try to access IPv6-capable host from my non-IPv6-enabled server-- the ipv6 module is NOT loaded. Any ideas? |
| 01:13.44 | foofighter24 | cafuego, thanks a bunch. |
| 01:14.16 | foofighter24 | will probably come back for further complaining and whining ;) |
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| 01:14.49 | foofighter24 | bye |
| 01:15.32 | Marticus | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 01:16.11 | Marticus | build-dep is pretty handy |
| 01:16.17 | SeanTater | Traceroute returns nothing but "1 * * *" (so on to 30), but traceroute -I works. Unfortunately netselect-apt does not use -I. How might I get traceroute to work? |
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| 01:35.15 | pstickne | Is it normal for xorg to have a -10 nice? |
| 01:35.20 | pstickne | (X11R7 from testing) |
| 01:35.33 | zinx | pstickne: what do you have in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config? |
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| 01:36.29 | stew | pstickne: its normal to use whatever nice value is defined in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 01:37.15 | pstickne | zinx, -10 :P |
| 01:37.23 | pstickne | zinx, is this normal for an X server? |
| 01:37.28 | SeanTater | pstickne: I know places that use -1 |
| 01:37.29 | stew | pstickne: which you would set by running "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common" |
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| 01:37.32 | stew | stupid lag |
| 01:37.36 | SeanTater | pstickne: but it can be helpful |
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| 01:37.53 | zinx | pstickne: considering the problems you were having before.. you probably want to try it at 0 |
| 01:38.01 | johnga1t | how can i find out exactly what version of debian i'm running? (3.0, 3.1, etc) |
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| 01:38.15 | zinx | john: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:38.20 | stew | johnga1t: compare your installed libc6 version to versions available at packages.debian.org |
| 01:38.36 | johnga1t | zinx: thanks. stew: also thanks. |
| 01:38.43 | pstickne | zinx, glxgears now runs fine for about 5 seconds (2.6 kernel, MTTR, 1000Hz) and then Xorg just skyrockets to 97% CPU :) |
| 01:39.31 | SeanTater | pstickne: glxgears heavily uses xorg afaik, let me see if it occurs to me |
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| 01:40.04 | pstickne | SeanTater, it "feels" like a que is piling up |
| 01:40.13 | jonas- | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_di |
| 01:40.14 | jonas- | LOL |
| 01:40.16 | jonas- | HELP |
| 01:40.17 | pstickne | SeanTater, on the other hand, wesnoth/SDL runs like a champ. |
| 01:40.29 | SeanTater | jonas-: read the title |
| 01:40.33 | jonas- | okay |
| 01:40.34 | johnga1t | anyone here use the opera browser under debian? |
| 01:40.45 | Riccc | I'm currently doing an "apt-get dist-upgrade" , I have a lot of error "Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/DbDriver/Stack.pm line 104, <GEN71> line xxxx" (and a dialog box in french : Valeur de priorité non valable : Veuillez entrer un nombre entre -20 et 19) , Any idea of the problem ? |
| 01:40.47 | zinx | pstickne: glxgears sends stuff to the server as fast as it possibly can. wesnoth, and just about every other application you'd ever want to use, does not. |
| 01:40.48 | johnga1t | (or can suggest a lightweight browser that will install w/ few dependencies?) |
| 01:41.08 | SeanTater | pstickne: do you have a good video card? |
| 01:42.17 | pstickne | SeanTater, a M9 (RV250, actually the FireGL model) -- not `good' by todays new standards but more then adequate to run glxgears. |
| 01:42.36 | SeanTater | pstickne: looks like zinx answered your question |
| 01:42.46 | SeanTater | pstickne: I imagine that is unique to glxgears |
| 01:43.02 | pstickne | zinx, is there a reason why this would occur in debian and not slackware? (Or is this a new glxgears "feature"?) |
| 01:43.13 | zinx | pstickne: if you want better performance in glxgears, use the proprietary fglrx drivers (via the .debs) |
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| 01:43.31 | zinx | pstickne: there are a large number of reasons that i don't care to go through, because it would be pointless to do so |
| 01:43.39 | pstickne | zinx, they didn't help; same thing -- I don't want 5000fps performance, I want something realistic (which this is not) |
| 01:43.47 | jonas- | Currently there is not a planned date of release for Etch |
| 01:43.59 | zinx | pstickne: you can either not expect glxgears to limit itself, or you can use the proprietary drivers |
| 01:44.06 | SeanTater | pstickne: mesa only works to 30 or so fps I think |
| 01:44.14 | jonas- | so what does the topic have to do with my 'apt-get upgrade' error? ;P |
| 01:44.17 | pstickne | zinx, the standard xorg drivers run _fine_ under slackware |
| 01:44.22 | zinx | SeanTater: Mesa does not have any limit, and glxgears will draw as fast as it can |
| 01:44.37 | pstickne | zinx, the proprietary run faster, yes, but I do not have this problem. It's a good 70fps for as long as I let it run. |
| 01:44.48 | SeanTater | zinx: sorry, I do not know as much as i would like to about it, gtg |
| 01:45.00 | zinx | pstickne: Do you really run glxgears so often? |
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| 01:46.15 | jonas- | Failed to fetch ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/PackagesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
| 01:46.19 | jonas- | the fun never stops |
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| 01:46.42 | asg | jonas-: /msg dpkg fudo |
| 01:46.52 | jonas- | ty |
| 01:47.05 | asg | jonas-: and that was in the /topic |
| 01:47.29 | jonas- | didn't realize what f.d.o and m.k.a mean :D |
| 01:47.42 | asg | jonas-: m.k.o == mirrors.kernel.org |
| 01:47.51 | jonas- | makes sense |
| 01:47.51 | stew | awesome: 128 frames in 14.4 seconds = 8.861 FPS |
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| 01:48.09 | stew | as long as i keep getting 60 fps in emacs, i'm happy |
| 01:48.31 | asg | stew: you need to blink more |
| 01:48.58 | lethias | anyone know know what file to modify to allow certain programs to start running after you login to blackbox? |
| 01:49.01 | dvs | "60 fps in emacs"? I never knew it was a video game. |
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| 01:49.14 | asg | dvs: emacs is everything |
| 01:49.27 | stew | dvs: M-x gomuko ; M-x dunnet ; M-x tetris |
| 01:49.31 | asg | lethias: ~/.xsession |
| 01:49.33 | dvs | ah! |
| 01:49.38 | stew | err gomoku |
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| 01:49.49 | dn4 | So where do I get help on how to get a GF |
| 01:50.00 | asg | lethias: technically, they run before blackbox but show up generally after bb is initialized. |
| 01:50.01 | Piet_ | try emacs |
| 01:50.10 | lethias | hmm |
| 01:50.21 | asg | Piet_: trying emacs is like trying Existentialism |
| 01:50.43 | nathe | heh |
| 01:50.47 | Piet_ | asg: or like trying to get help with getting a GF |
| 01:50.54 | lethias | asg: I've got black box running good now i just want some of the addons to startup when blackbox starts. |
| 01:50.59 | nathe | meh. anyone know what package the Mach64 kernel module is in? |
| 01:51.00 | asg | Piet_: that's easy, money |
| 01:51.17 | asg | Piet_: if you want a good one, you'll have to read the manpage though |
| 01:51.41 | Piet_ | asg: on the GF helpers or the GFs themselves? |
| 01:52.20 | jonas- | lol |
| 01:52.22 | jonas- | GFs are gay |
| 01:52.23 | Piet_ | one might tend to think the g in gf stands for gnome |
| 01:52.34 | asg | lethias: echo '/path/to/addon1 & > ~/.xsession' ; echo '/path/to/addon2 & >> ~/.xsession; ; echo 'exec /usr/bin/blackbox >> ~/.xsessoin' |
| 01:52.55 | asg | Piet_: apropos(1) |
| 01:52.56 | zinx | dn4: you use 'Draw' on bosses |
| 01:53.18 | zinx | dn4: they are the "????" ones at the bottom |
| 01:54.10 | dn4 | Piet_, then what does f stand for? |
| 01:54.31 | dn4 | zinx, you are way above my understanding there, dumbify that a little bit |
| 01:54.31 | asg | dn4: friend, fiend, fun, bloated |
| 01:54.38 | Piet_ | dn4: ask an existentialist |
| 01:54.43 | nathe | ok is there any way to apt-get install xserver-common without removing half of my system? |
| 01:54.51 | libertad0 | alguien ayudeme, no puedo enviar mis inputs dinamicos por POST http://pastebin.4programmers.net/531 |
| 01:55.08 | stew | !es |
| 01:55.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:55.13 | asg | nathe: if it's wanting to do that, you've done something horrible to your sources. paste /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 01:55.17 | zinx | dn4: OK. you can equip an ability on a character named 'Draw', which you can use to draw magic/GFs from enemies....... you know, doesn't the game go through the whole tutorial on this thing? |
| 01:55.25 | stew | nathe: /msg dpkg bat |
| 01:55.55 | nathe | asg: heh I have :D |
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| 01:56.15 | nathe | asg: i'm pulling from half the world and any number of other things ;P |
| 01:56.31 | asg | nathe: well, there you go then. |
| 01:56.32 | nathe | asg: and pastebin isn't easily done right now |
| 01:56.33 | nathe | hehe |
| 01:56.58 | nathe | I don't suppose you can dump your list to a server so I can wget it? |
| 01:57.01 | nathe | no gui :P |
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| 01:57.09 | dn4 | whoa this is reminding of that game I created called Dudes and Babes, the X rated version of D&D. . . wow this is odd |
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| 01:57.18 | cr3 | should security.debian.org work for unstable? |
| 01:57.24 | dn4 | !dpkg sex |
| 01:57.25 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 01:57.28 | lethias | asg: so create a file .xsession put the path to the addon |
| 01:58.25 | Marticus | does dpkg know about creating a web dist of some packages I built? |
| 01:58.42 | Marticus | so I can add it to sources.list |
| 01:59.30 | Phroziac | hmm. |
| 01:59.36 | Phroziac | Errors were encountered while processing: erc |
| 02:00.01 | Marticus | or even better |
| 02:00.08 | dn4 | all the people out there who are like me feel free to join the best channel evar! |
| 02:00.09 | Phroziac | i don't really need irc in emacs though. |
| 02:00.11 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.14 | Marticus | an example of 'file' in sources.list |
| 02:00.32 | zinx | Phroziac: what's a decent OS without an IRC client? |
| 02:00.55 | Phroziac | zinx: heh, i prefer linux over emacs |
| 02:00.56 | Phroziac | :) |
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| 02:03.35 | Marticus | okay then |
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| 02:04.48 | dn4 | om my jesus |
| 02:04.59 | dvs | dn4: the language! |
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| 02:05.28 | nekostar | do te dum te do te dummmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:05.34 | nekostar | thanx again for teh help today guys :) |
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| 02:06.13 | Marticus | alrightythen |
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| 02:07.46 | riwa | what package includes xinit? |
| 02:08.05 | riwa | I just installed xfce4 but it wants to exec xinit which isn't found. |
| 02:08.15 | stew | riwa: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 02:08.39 | nathe | meh.. ok so nastyness with the apt-get install xserver-common is cleared, but xserver-common has been obsoleted, and I am up to date on the two packges that replace it. main problem is that apt-get upgrade delted the xserver, and xorg fails on mach64 when reinstalled |
| 02:09.00 | stew | nathe: what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:09.23 | nathe | stew: orginally sarge, has some testing mixed in |
| 02:09.26 | Marticus | okay that failed miserably |
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| 02:09.43 | stoned | my internet is fucked |
| 02:09.45 | dvs | stoned: stay already! |
| 02:09.49 | Marticus | how does one go about creating a deb source on a local filesystem? |
| 02:09.53 | riwa | stew: dunno. latest I think |
| 02:10.07 | Marticus | I have a list of debs, is there an automated tool to generate all the necessary stuff to make it work for apt? |
| 02:10.10 | riwa | stew: downloaded current and installed half an hour ago |
| 02:10.13 | stew | riwa: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 02:10.21 | riwa | stew: :P |
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| 02:11.20 | Marticus | no thoughts on that? |
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| 02:12.34 | jonas- | how 2 get BF |
| 02:12.35 | jonas- | halp |
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| 02:12.50 | shinobi2 | anyone know of good wrapper to run win-modems and windows-wifi? |
| 02:13.12 | nathe | shinobi2: for wifi, use ndiswrapper |
| 02:13.13 | shawnr_ | whats the difference between installing ubuntu 6.06 from live cd, and installing debian sarge, then ubuntu? |
| 02:13.25 | nathe | ... |
| 02:13.51 | nathe | wow ok so people don't even glance at the topic do they :P |
| 02:14.01 | nathe | meh, fsck it i'm going home to mess with this |
| 02:14.03 | dvs | nathe: there's a topic? ;-) |
| 02:14.09 | nathe | dvs: heh |
| 02:14.40 | Marticus | nathe: heh |
| 02:14.46 | riwa | stew: can I create an ~/.xinitrc and use startx with that? |
| 02:15.02 | stew | riwa: yeah, .xinitrc or .xsession |
| 02:16.14 | riwa | stew: k. thx. |
| 02:16.22 | Marticus | dpkg has an invalid entry: apt archive |
| 02:16.26 | Marticus | bad link |
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| 02:17.06 | stew | !no apt archive is <reply> see repository |
| 02:17.06 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 02:17.12 | stew | !apt archive |
| 02:17.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 02:17.35 | stew | Marticus: you might wanna look at apt-zip or apt-move too |
| 02:18.05 | Vasistha | shawnr_: 1. ask in #ubuntu 2. I don't know if a live CD is capable of installing 3. ubuntu's installer is more appropriate for installing ubuntu. 4. There are *many* differences 5. trying to make a sarge install into ubuntu is *insane* 6. you are in #debian , not #ubuntu 7. ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:18.48 | shawnr_ | no thats not what i ment |
| 02:18.51 | whatah | Is this #ubuntu? |
| 02:19.02 | dvs | whatah: maybe.... |
| 02:19.09 | shawnr_ | vasis, i worded that wrong |
| 02:19.14 | Vasistha | shawnr_: are you saying you want to dual-boot sarge and ubuntu? |
| 02:19.17 | shawnr_ | no |
| 02:19.44 | shawnr_ | Vasistha, what is the difference between [ubuntu] and [debian sarge with gnome] |
| 02:19.52 | shawnr_ | is there really a difference? |
| 02:19.55 | Vasistha | shawnr_: uhh ... well, yes. |
| 02:20.04 | shawnr_ | besides graphics |
| 02:20.04 | stoned | ubuntu is humanity for others, debian is an actual OS |
| 02:20.10 | shawnr_ | uh |
| 02:20.20 | torchie | what if all linux distributions seem the same to you, would this be #ubuntu then? |
| 02:20.22 | Vasistha | shawnr_: it's kind of like the difference between windows 98, and windows XP with the chicago UI (that looks like windows 98) |
| 02:20.56 | Vasistha | !based on debian |
| 02:20.56 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:21.19 | shawnr_ | thanks, thats what i wanted to know |
| 02:21.24 | Vasistha | shawnr_: that's what we tell people who ask about ubuntu ;-) but ... uhm, yeah, they are substantially different |
| 02:21.33 | stoned | how does someone /join #debian and then ask if it is #ubuntu |
| 02:21.41 | shawnr_ | i didn't ask that |
| 02:21.45 | stew | stoned: he's trolling |
| 02:21.49 | stoned | oh |
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| 02:22.24 | shawnr_ | what are the advantages of debian over somthing of the likes of ubuntu |
| 02:22.30 | Vasistha | man, y'all sure give a guy with an innocent question a hard time ... I mean, I can conceive of someone really not understanding that there's a difference beyond the WM |
| 02:22.49 | shawnr_ | im just trying to figure it all out |
| 02:23.02 | shawnr_ | i can go to another room if its a problem |
| 02:23.24 | Adrian | shawnr_: go to YOUR room now! |
| 02:23.28 | Vasistha | shawnr_: well, this is a support channel, for people who are trying to solve problems in debian |
| 02:23.29 | stew | stoned: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 02:23.48 | Vasistha | shawnr_: but ... yeah, do what stew said, /msg dpkg why debian |
| 02:24.01 | stoned | stew, interesting links ;) |
| 02:24.07 | fbhjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.43 | g333k | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.51 | Vasistha | shawnr_: you could always ask in #freenode-social ... it may take a while to get voice, but people there are often happy to talk of such subjects |
| 02:24.55 | stoned | g333k, binary gmplayer |
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| 02:25.29 | stoned | g333k, dpkg -L mplayer|grep bin |
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| 02:27.48 | g333k | stoned, nothing |
| 02:28.16 | stoned | g333k, which debian release? |
| 02:28.26 | g333k | stoned, etch |
| 02:28.46 | zinx | mplayer isn't in any official debian repository :/ |
| 02:28.49 | stoned | g333k, and you installed all the packages? |
| 02:28.52 | stoned | !dmm |
| 02:28.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
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| 02:29.34 | g333k | stoned, most codecs from debian repositories and marillat, and mplayer from the original tar.bz2 |
| 02:29.35 | stoned | g333k, apt-get install mplayer should be all you need in etch, afaik in sarge only you have to install mplayer-386 or mplayer 586 etc. |
| 02:29.38 | Phroziac | uhm |
| 02:29.48 | stoned | g333k, why don't you install the debian packages? |
| 02:30.10 | minerale | How may one produce accented (alphanumeric) characters, such as e with an accent on top? In windows this is something like alt + 138, is there a similar way to do this in X? (and where would I find a chart of the codes vs characters ?) |
| 02:30.12 | g333k | stoned, I was doing but it didnd work |
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| 02:30.21 | Phroziac | I upgraded to testing, from sarge, this afternoon, and now when i startx, it tries to start xfree86 and xfree86 gives a bunch of errors and dies. what do i need to do? |
| 02:30.24 | g333k | stoned, what if I overwrite the installation? |
| 02:30.46 | stoned | g333k, what do you mean? what doesn't work? |
| 02:30.54 | zinx | Phroziac: use x.org instead |
| 02:31.17 | Phroziac | zinx: uh yeah, but shouldn't startx start x.org now? |
| 02:31.21 | zinx | Phroziac: there's a big list of things to do |
| 02:31.26 | zinx | Phroziac: no. |
| 02:31.36 | zinx | Phroziac: you probably didn't install x.org when you "upgraded" |
| 02:31.57 | g333k | stoned, I didnt have codecs.... and people say that it's better to compile mplayer to improve its performing |
| 02:32.07 | Phroziac | zinx: i saw it install it. and it certainly broke my xfree install. what's the command to start x.org? |
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| 02:32.21 | zinx | Phroziac: also startx... you said it started xfree86 though |
| 02:32.23 | stoned | g333k, works perfectly here |
| 02:32.27 | g333k | stoned, anyway what if I install the mplayer from marillat now? |
| 02:32.30 | Phroziac | zinx: hmm. ok. |
| 02:32.42 | stoned | g333k, you should be alright, just remove all mplayer related stuff before |
| 02:32.52 | aeronadix | how do you edit the all the saved http address in the address bar in mozilla |
| 02:33.00 | stoned | g333k, apt-get install mplayer w32codecs |
| 02:33.00 | zinx | Phroziac: you have to change the font paths, among other things |
| 02:33.05 | stoned | that should be all you need |
| 02:33.57 | Phroziac | zinx: ok, what's the package name for x.org? |
| 02:33.59 | stoned | aeronadix, this is mostly debian and debian package help, not software support |
| 02:34.04 | stoned | aeronadix, consult #mozilla |
| 02:34.25 | zinx | Phroziac: there are a lot :X but try xserver-xorg |
| 02:34.33 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 02:34.43 | Phroziac | zinx: ok. |
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| 02:35.11 | Jenkens | am i doing something wrong? i have putty set for backspace at ^?, it works fine in console and vim, but screen doesn't work unless I hit ctrl-h... ok. so set putty to ^H, console and screen work! rad. oops.. vim turns backspace in to 'delete' |
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| 02:35.22 | Phroziac | zinx: "xserver-xorg is already the newest version" |
| 02:35.43 | stew | Phroziac: xorg is the metapackage that installs all of xorg |
| 02:35.47 | Phroziac | ok. |
| 02:35.51 | zinx | Phroziac: then don't tell me it's starting xfree86 when it's not ;) |
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| 02:36.15 | zachhale | hello, can someone help me mount a usb hard drive? |
| 02:36.18 | Phroziac | zinx: lol. i'm an idiot sometimes. it said xf86 in some of the junk it spewed when it died. |
| 02:36.40 | zachhale | where can i look up what my drive is connected to in order to mount as a drive? |
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| 02:37.35 | Phroziac | zinx: what's the list of what i need to do to get x.org running? |
| 02:38.04 | |dennis| | Read that the netboot images are bad as of now...is it the same with the floppy boot images? |
| 02:38.19 | zinx | Phroziac: the XFree86 -> X.org transition will probably be helpful, though you may need to do a lot more upgrading from sarge |
| 02:39.01 | Phroziac | zinx: i'm on a text console here, and i'm not very good at browsing with linx. can you give me a nice link to that? |
| 02:39.16 | Phroziac | erm nevermind. |
| 02:39.19 | Phroziac | someone else gave me the link elsewhere. |
| 02:39.24 | Phroziac | duh. |
| 02:40.45 | zachhale | how do i look up where my drives are connected in order to mount a usb hard drive? |
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| 02:41.49 | Vasistha | zachhale: lsusb is a good place to start |
| 02:41.52 | catch23 | hm, anyone here done a xinerama setup with 4 displays using 1 ati card and 1 nvidia card? |
| 02:42.02 | zachhale | vasistha: lsusb? |
| 02:42.14 | Vasistha | zachhale: run it from the command prompt |
| 02:42.20 | zachhale | it's not there |
| 02:42.30 | Vasistha | zachhale: what is the output of lsusb |
| 02:42.32 | stew | zachhale: /msg dpkg usb-storage ; check dmesg |
| 02:42.54 | zachhale | stew: /msg dpkg usb-storage ; check dmesg |
| 02:42.56 | zachhale | ? |
| 02:42.58 | zachhale | just type that in? |
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| 02:43.20 | Vasistha | zachhale: are you familiar with irc? you type "/msg dpkg" to send a private message to dpkg -- a bot |
| 02:43.50 | zachhale | how do i: Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules |
| 02:44.10 | Vasistha | zachhale: with modprobe |
| 02:44.10 | ice_1963 | catch23: why do you need two? |
| 02:44.34 | stew | zachhale: modprobe usb-storage ; modprobe sd_mod |
| 02:44.39 | Vasistha | ice_1963: I'm not aware of any video card that gives four monitor outputs, I'm guessing he's got two dual-output cards |
| 02:44.48 | catch23 | ice_1963: two? I've got 2 video cards with a total of 4 outputs, 3 dvi & 1 vga |
| 02:45.14 | stew | nvidia and matrix both however make 4 output cards |
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| 02:45.38 | zachhale | stew: modprobe not found |
| 02:45.44 | stew | zachhale: as root |
| 02:45.50 | catch23 | 4 output cards are over my budget... i don't mind wasting an extra pci slot if it will save me $300 :-) |
| 02:45.58 | zachhale | stew: doh, my bad |
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| 02:46.13 | g333k | stoned, when I choose fullscreen the video doesnt increase of size, just the mplayer window |
| 02:46.14 | ChewY | is it possible to run osx software on linux? |
| 02:46.29 | zachhale | stew: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.6.11.8/modules.dep |
| 02:46.29 | zachhale | modprobe: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 02:46.29 | zachhale | modprobe: Can't locate module usb-storage |
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| 02:46.36 | magyar | anyone on amd64 (sid)? |
| 02:46.37 | stoned | g333k, select the Xv video output |
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| 02:46.42 | zachhale | crap |
| 02:47.15 | stew | zachhale: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 02:47.28 | stew | zachhale: oh, 2.6.11.8 i guess |
| 02:47.32 | zachhale | 2.6.11.8 |
| 02:47.34 | zachhale | yeah |
| 02:47.36 | unix_infidel | can wpa_supplicant be used to manage and automagically associated with predefined wAPs? |
| 02:47.48 | unix_infidel | both encrypted AND NON-ENCRYPTED |
| 02:47.58 | zachhale | stew: any ideas? |
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| 02:48.19 | stew | zachhale: you need to recompile your kerenl with module support and usb-storage and scsi disk support, or switch to a debian kernel |
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| 02:48.31 | zachhale | it's debian |
| 02:48.34 | stew | zachhale: what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:48.36 | g333k | stoned, I just have X11, gl, gl2 and xvidix video drivers |
| 02:48.39 | stew | zachhale: that's not a debian kernel though |
| 02:48.49 | zachhale | ah |
| 02:49.05 | zachhale | stew: how can i tell what kernel it is? |
| 02:49.16 | stew | zachhale: its 2.6.11.8 |
| 02:49.33 | zachhale | er, i mean, version |
| 02:49.40 | stew | zachhale: its 2.6.11.8 |
| 02:49.45 | zachhale | okay |
| 02:50.07 | zachhale | i could use ftp ... |
| 02:50.13 | zachhale | shitty no ftp |
| 02:50.44 | zachhale | i can apt-get ftp, no? |
| 02:51.10 | ApEtc | sure |
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| 02:51.59 | Hoxzer | what makes debian better than ubuntu? |
| 02:52.01 | zachhale | anyone know a working FTP for windows? |
| 02:52.17 | zachhale | er, ftp server |
| 02:52.24 | zinx | !tell hoxzer about better |
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| 02:52.29 | ApEtc | zachhale: cygwin? :) |
| 02:52.52 | Hoxzer | zinx: :( |
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| 02:53.15 | zachhale | apetc: :S |
| 02:53.15 | Hoxzer | good way of avoiding competition |
| 02:53.51 | k-google | zachhale: I'll second ApEtc. Look at Cygwin's offerings or GIYF. |
| 02:54.02 | zinx | the debian/ubuntu relationship is far more complicated by "competition", and i don't even think that's an accurate description of it if not looking at the whole picture |
| 02:54.10 | ice_1963 | :)- ubuntu |
| 02:54.10 | zinx | erh, s/by/than/ |
| 02:54.47 | epsilon | zachhale: filezilla |
| 02:56.52 | Riccc | I cant find a good ressource site to learn how to setup my sound card under debian (no sound after an upgrade), any link known by someone ? (or some help ? ) |
| 02:57.03 | minerale | hoxzer: in short, about a million dollars in capital for nicer graphics, updates, support etc that's been poured in by Mark Shuttleworth |
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| 02:57.44 | ice_1963 | did you do a alsacof |
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| 02:57.57 | visadebit | hello |
| 02:58.03 | epsilon | and if one day that guy stop suppoting Ubuntu, entire organisation will collapse |
| 02:58.04 | ice_1963 | alsaconf |
| 02:58.07 | Riccc | ice_1963: nope , but trying to do now :p |
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| 02:58.39 | Riccc | oh , perhaps it's the problem , "alsaconf: command not found" |
| 02:59.20 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 02:59.20 | amphi | Riccc: alsa-utils IIRC |
| 02:59.20 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 02:59.47 | Riccc | thanks both |
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| 03:00.14 | nexis | has anyone had any experence with touchscreen systems? |
| 03:00.30 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 03:00.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:02.10 | nexis | ok, i have a elo touch-screen controller version 2130, running debian stable and xorg. im able to get xorg up and running, however, the point where i touch the screen and where the pointer is is about 5 inches diaganal up and right |
| 03:02.24 | nexis | looking for anyone who has had experence with this, and can provide some insite. |
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| 03:03.32 | mhall | Hello. Is there anybody here that can assist me with understanding how LVM works? |
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| 03:03.59 | mhall | I have got a fresh dual Opteron system with a 1.25 TB array and I'd like to perform software RAID 5. |
| 03:04.08 | mhall | dpkg lvm |
| 03:04.09 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
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| 03:04.52 | udos | nexis: sounds very driver-specific to me. Perhaps the best answer would come from the author for the kernel-driver which you are currently using to communicate with the device. |
| 03:05.17 | nexis | alright. |
| 03:06.11 | nexis | was kind of hoping to get some help here, i managed to get my hands on it 2nd hand, and dont want to pay the 900 bucks for paid support from the vendor |
| 03:06.28 | nexis | they provide OSS code for it, but only paid support. |
| 03:06.59 | Decade | Does anybody know which programs on a laptop would cause the hard drive to spin down? |
| 03:07.27 | nexis | Decade, power management in your bios, APMD, and a few others |
| 03:07.30 | udos | nexis: perhaps reading the driver code will give you insight. Does any sort of doco come with the driver source? |
| 03:07.39 | Decade | When my laptop goes to suspend, something spins down the hard drive, then something else spins it back up for a second and it spins down again. |
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| 03:07.47 | amphi | Decade: you can use hdparm to set the spindown timeout |
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| 03:09.25 | Decade | And it's really annoying. And it's been doing it since I installed sarge, not before. |
| 03:10.20 | Decade | It uses apm, but apmd doesn't seem to have a control for that, and it still does the 2 spindowns with apmd not running. |
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| 03:12.16 | Decade | nexis: I've already eliminated APMD, and I want the BIOS to be the one spinning down the drive at suspend, so that leaves...? |
| 03:13.52 | nexis | Decade, thats my ideas, i dont run apm |
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| 03:16.21 | bmead | One of my computers runs FC3 and compiles a program requireing mqueue.h in /usr/include. Does anyone know which debian package contains mqueue.h and the Interprocess Communications Message Queueing functions? I would like to be able to compile the same program on my Debian machine. |
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| 03:17.13 | metrix | I am using drb to talk from a client pc's to a server, but I have a problem: how do I keep the client from dying if it can't connect to the server? I haven't found documentation on a solution to this... |
| 03:17.31 | metrix | I want the client to try again in a few hours or something... |
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| 03:19.04 | bmead | metrix: you could put a cron job out there to reconnect every 2 hours or something. in the hours column of the crontab put /2 for instance. |
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| 03:20.10 | metrix | bmead: I am going to run the client under a windows daemon, so if it dies then the daemon dies... |
| 03:20.46 | bmead | metrix: Windows has a crude scheduler like cron also. |
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| 03:21.13 | metrix | does it? what is the name of it and i'll look it up |
| 03:21.33 | metrix | oh wait.. |
| 03:21.36 | metrix | nevermind! |
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| 03:21.58 | metrix | thanks bmead :) |
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| 03:25.16 | neeto | I am trying to connect to a wireless network using ndiswrapper and when I do iwlist wlan0 scan, it says "no wireless networks found" or something to that effect, even though my wireless network is well within range... does anyone have any suggestions? |
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| 03:25.35 | bmead | I have been googling for about 2-days trying to find out which debian module contains the function mq_open and uses the mqueue.h header file. Anyone know how to determine which debian package contains a specific file or function? |
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| 03:26.21 | Thunderguy | Are there any known problems in crashes with Gnome? eh, programs in Gnome crashing more often than in KDE, and KDE applications running in Gnome being seriously lagged and more unstable? |
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| 03:27.01 | Thunderguy | I mean it's usable, and everything is good, but I'm just having a lot more crashes in Gnome than in KDE I noticed, and my GDM is crashing due to video driver |
| 03:27.47 | bmead | Thunderguy: have you tried kdm instead of gdm. I don't like gdm myself. |
| 03:28.37 | Thunderguy | bmead: kdm works just fine, gdm crashes every so often, like when switching users every 1 out of 3 or 4 times Linux locks up and ctrl-alt-del has to be pressed to start a reboot procedure, KDM works everytime when switching users. |
| 03:29.12 | bmead | Thunderguy: which version of debian are you using and which kernel version? |
| 03:29.47 | Thunderguy | bmead: When in Gnome yesterday I had my memory overrun, 450mb out of 512mb of ram was in use, which was very uncommon and programs were very slow until next reboot |
| 03:30.01 | Thunderguy | bmead: Oh I'm using the testing version with 2.6.16-2 |
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| 03:31.05 | bmead | Thunderguy: I had a similar experience with stable and 2.6.8 kernel. When I upgraded to the backport stable 2.6.16-11 kernel all is well. |
| 03:31.14 | Thunderguy | bmead: This especially was a problem in Gnome-theme-manager, I was experimenting with themes, and I believe it cached every theme I looked at and the constant loading and unloading of themes crashed the system, I've had the exact same problems with Gnome in a stable release of Ubuntu |
| 03:31.54 | bmead | Thunderguy: I think there was a memory leak or a problem with the garbage collector in some of the kernel |
| 03:31.58 | bmead | versions |
| 03:32.30 | Thunderguy | bmead: But I also notice, in both Ubuntu and Debian, of course I'm unaware of the similiarties, but the fact that they are two different systems suggest I should be looking at Gnome itself and not Debian or Ubuntu. course it is on the same machine |
| 03:32.30 | stew | is there a garbage collector in the kernel? |
| 03:32.43 | bmead | Try 2.6.16-11 if there is a backport for etch. I only know there is this version in a backport for sarge. |
| 03:33.07 | Thunderguy | ah, okay. |
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| 03:34.08 | Thunderguy | Well today gnome is acting differently then it was yesterday, no idea what series of events caused it. much faster, but still if I leave gnome and switch to another user a few times, OR if I play around with stuff like root logins and settings managers, Gnome is bound to go sour again for this session |
| 03:35.14 | Thunderguy | Another thing I was wondering though while I'm at it, I set up my system to lock the user account and use sudo, but Gnome wants a root password, I realize this is standard but is there a way to make Gnome use Sudo instead of trying to login as root? |
| 03:35.25 | Thunderguy | root account* |
| 03:35.30 | bmead | Thunderguy: Go to http://backports.org/instructions.html and it will tell you how to find and install a backported kernel. |
| 03:35.42 | Thunderguy | alright |
| 03:35.52 | stew | bmead: you think he should use an older kernel compiled for a different release? |
| 03:36.09 | Thunderguy | Well I'm using a i686, on an AMD Sempron |
| 03:36.31 | Thunderguy | I know nothing about CPU architechtures except that when I installed Gentoo it for some reason really needed to know specifics |
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| 03:36.39 | Aristoteliss | who wants to buy me a core2 as gift for my birthday ? |
| 03:36.55 | bmead | Stew: I don't know about an older one. He said he was using 2.6.16-2 I recommended he try 2.6.16-11 which is newer isn't it? |
| 03:37.22 | stew | bmead: 2.6.16-11 isn't in debian, backport.org has 2.6.16-2 version 2.6.16-15 and testing has 2.6.16-2 version 2.6.16-17 |
| 03:37.59 | stew | !info linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 testing |
| 03:38.05 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.16-2-686: (Linux kernel 2.6.16 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.16-17 (etch), Packaged size: 15346 kB, Installed size: 44112 kB |
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| 03:38.12 | bmead | Stew: I only know about the versions for sarge. I think you should advise Thunderguy on the proper versions for etch. Thanks. |
| 03:38.13 | stew | bmead: ^^^ see he should have -17 |
| 03:38.34 | bmead | Thunderguy are you still there? |
| 03:38.55 | stew | bmead: right and backports for sarge has a slightly older version of the kernel he is already running, but compiled with a different gcc |
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| 03:39.27 | bmead | Stew:He will find that there is no -11 version and be forced to pick the -17 version when he goes to install it. |
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| 03:39.57 | Thunderguy | Yeah, sry phased out a second, the power of multi-irc-servers, heh |
| 03:39.58 | Jenkens | ps ax |
| 03:40.00 | Jenkens | doh |
| 03:40.21 | stew | Thunderguy: you shouldn't use backports.org if you are on testing |
| 03:40.39 | bmead | Thunderguy: Stew told me that there is no 2.6.16-11 version for etch. He said use 2.6.16-17 instead |
| 03:40.41 | landgraf | guys, I made a apt-get dist-upgrade for testing version and xf86cfg tool is missing... |
| 03:40.45 | stew | bmead: no |
| 03:40.48 | landgraf | does anybody can help me ? |
| 03:40.58 | landgraf | I have installed xbase-clients. |
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| 03:41.06 | stew | landgraf: install xorg, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:41.08 | gravity | landgraf: It's not there |
| 03:41.13 | gravity | landgraf: Do what stew said |
| 03:41.27 | pstickne | zinx, do normal programs normally "flood" X so? |
| 03:41.38 | gravity | xorgcfg is dead upstream anyway |
| 03:42.41 | bmead | Thunderguy: Stew knows more about the etch version, you had better ask him. |
| 03:42.58 | landgraf | stew: thanks. |
| 03:42.59 | Thunderguy | alright. |
| 03:43.02 | landgraf | gravity: thanks. |
| 03:43.34 | stew | Thunderguy: i don't believe that your gnome problems have anything to do with the kernel |
| 03:44.00 | Thunderguy | Hey another problem I'm trying to solve, I have hald installed to -talk- to desktops about mounting things, but I was wanting things to mount themselves at a command line level, Is it as simple as putting auto in fstab? |
| 03:44.14 | Thunderguy | stew: Yeah, I had the same gnome problems on other distro's infact, Gentoo, Ubuntu, and Debian |
| 03:44.53 | stew | Thunderguy: what do you mean by "at the command line level"? do you have the "gnome-volume-manager" package installed? |
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| 03:45.14 | Thunderguy | actually I shouldn't say command line level, gah, I'm so used to translating for windows users, but at a root script level. |
| 03:45.19 | kern_malloc | Thunderguy: yes put it in /etc/fstab and have it auto mount |
| 03:45.40 | kern_malloc | now that just at boot tho |
| 03:45.44 | kern_malloc | if you change cds or etc it won't auto mount |
| 03:45.48 | Phroziac | hey, i upgraded to testing from sarge today. now my (newly installed) x.org starts, and immediately dies and freezes the machine totally...doesn't respond to input from the keyboard at all, but it'll let me ssh into it. |
| 03:45.51 | kern_malloc | there are diff utilities for that |
| 03:45.54 | Thunderguy | Yeah, I'm wanting to trade out Cd's and USB discs. |
| 03:46.03 | stew | Thunderguy: do you have gnome-volume-manager installed? |
| 03:46.12 | Phroziac | and there's no errors in the xorg log. |
| 03:46.14 | Jenkens | woot, i guess my sparc problems were all related to fdo or mko.. |
| 03:47.15 | Thunderguy | stew: Yeah, but I'm also trying to set things up at a console level, I want to keep things simple and make the Gui completely independent, I'm also thinking of possibly using Fluxbox and fvwm as desktops |
| 03:47.23 | stew | Phroziac: which driver are you using? |
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| 03:47.35 | Phroziac | stew: for what? |
| 03:47.39 | stew | Phroziac: x |
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| 03:47.59 | stew | Thunderguy: gnome-volume-manager should be automounting for you. if you want to move away from gnome there is ivman which will also auto-mount |
| 03:48.05 | Thunderguy | stew: so my idea is to optimize the system for a fluxbox desktop, and the Gnome and KDE are just optionals. |
| 03:48.18 | Phroziac | stewi have no idea, where do i look? |
| 03:48.34 | Phroziac | hmm, mirc tab completion sucks. |
| 03:48.42 | stew | Phroziac: what kind of video card do you have? |
| 03:48.47 | Jenkens | oh effing christ |
| 03:49.07 | Thunderguy | stew: I have ivman currently installed, hmm, I wasn't sure if that's exactly what it did though, out-of-the-package do you I should check into any Ivman configs? or should it just work from 'apt-get install' ? |
| 03:49.11 | Phroziac | stew, voodoo 3 3500 tv/agp. using the tdfx driver. |
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| 03:49.18 | Thunderguy | think* |
| 03:49.33 | bmead | Thunderguy: are you building a MYTHTV system? |
| 03:50.32 | stew | Thunderguy: i don't know what happens i you have both gnome-volume-manager and ivman installed. you might look at http://wiki.debian.org/IVMan for more info about ivman |
| 03:51.00 | Thunderguy | stew: I have things mounting correctly, I just wasn't sure if Ivman or Volume Managers are doing it, and I just assumed Ivman isn't doing anything |
| 03:51.01 | stew | i really should check to see what happens if i install gnome-volume-manager, but i'd hate to have to install gnome :) |
| 03:51.17 | Phroziac | stew: think it has anything to do with that? |
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| 03:52.36 | Thunderguy | stew: I have 5 desktops on my system, and I notice now they have inconstintincies although small in how they co-operate, the only reason I have so many desktops is I'm using my system as a prototype to maintain my own repository to aid in installing on friends' computers if they want me to install debian for them, since they may have a lot of options in installing, I 'got' a LOT of programs to fit different needs. |
| 03:52.56 | stew | Thunderguy: i believe both gnome-volume-manager and ivman should come configured out of the box to automount, if you have both i don't know which is doing it |
| 03:53.01 | Thunderguy | inconsistencies* Gah, I'm running 18 hours on just 3 hours of sleep here sorry |
| 03:53.20 | landgraf | stew: How could I set resolution dpkg-reconfigure does not show me this config |
| 03:53.20 | stew | Phroziac: the x driver is the most likely cause. you might try switching to vesa and see if it still happens |
| 03:53.37 | landgraf | stew: xserver-xorg |
| 03:53.56 | Phroziac | stew: i used to love that, but i haven't been able to get it working anymore. |
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| 03:54.16 | stew | landgraf: it doesn't? odd. are you sure? you could alwasy edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand, i uess |
| 03:54.24 | Jenkens | gah! |
| 03:54.36 | stew | Phroziac: have you tried vesa? |
| 03:54.50 | landgraf | stew: no, Ok i going try |
| 03:54.58 | gravity | stew: It does have a bug where the script won't work sometimes |
| 03:55.05 | gravity | I *really* need to fix that |
| 03:55.10 | bmead | landgraf: do you have a working xorg.conf file on another computer you could copy over? |
| 03:55.13 | Phroziac | stew: oh, i'm thinking of framebuffer consoles. how do i try vesa? |
| 03:55.39 | Phroziac | replace tdfx with it in the config? |
| 03:55.46 | stew | Phroziac: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:55.55 | landgraf | bmead: no :( I'm installing a new laptop computer. |
| 03:56.21 | landgraf | I'm changing my suse distro to debian. |
| 03:56.52 | bmead | landgraf: what error message did you get when you tried what stew said? |
| 03:57.16 | Phroziac | stew, ok, and is there a way to recover that display without rebooting? |
| 03:57.31 | landgraf | bmead: I don't get any erro but my resolution was setting to 320x200 :( |
| 03:58.03 | landgraf | bmead: I don't get any questions about resolution using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:58.12 | stew | Phroziac: if the machine is frozen? |
| 03:58.43 | Phroziac | stew, yeah. i'm logged in remotely though. |
| 03:58.44 | landgraf | bmead: Could you help me ? |
| 03:58.54 | stew | Phroziac: oh wait |
| 03:59.00 | stew | Phroziac: its not frozen then |
| 03:59.09 | stew | Phroziac: what do you see on th screen? |
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| 03:59.30 | Phroziac | stew, some junk that i normally see for half a second when X starts. |
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| 03:59.41 | stew | Phroziac: can you be more specific? |
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| 03:59.54 | bmead | landgraf: in the display resolution section of the xorg.conf file there will be a 320x200 somewhere. Add the desired resolution to the left of that with a space separating it on each line that has the 320x200 and you should be good. If there are already higher resolutions in your xorg.conf file than 320x200 then you need to change the horizontal or vertical refresh rates to match what your screen can handle? |
| 04:00.27 | Jenkens | crap i just cant win |
| 04:00.40 | Phroziac | It looks like the patterns that an offset printing press prints when you wash the blankets. |
| 04:00.41 | neeto | I am trying to connect to a wireless network using ndiswrapper and when I do iwlist wlan0 scan, it says "no wireless networks found" or something to that effect, even though my wireless network is well within range... does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 04:00.47 | g333k | Why when I choose fullscreen the video doesnt increase of size, just the mplayer window ? |
| 04:00.51 | Jenkens | i fix screen, vim and console so backspace all works properly.. and then i go to use apt-get and hit backspace on a Y/n prompt and get ^H |
| 04:00.55 | Jenkens | gahhh |
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| 04:01.04 | Phroziac | it's white and grey lines |
| 04:01.17 | Hoxzer | do you see lines? |
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| 04:01.35 | Hoxzer | maan, that is a sympthom of migrine |
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| 04:01.45 | stew | Phroziac: if you move the mouse does the X cursor move? |
| 04:01.56 | Hoxzer | migraine actually but HEY it is good to be nerd |
| 04:02.37 | Phroziac | stew, i don't have a cursor. i did on an earlier boot before i disconnected and reconnected the mouse though, and it didn't move then |
| 04:03.01 | Phroziac | it doesn't respond to any local input at all. |
| 04:03.03 | stew | Phroziac: how is your mouse connected? |
| 04:03.07 | Phroziac | USB |
| 04:03.23 | stew | Phroziac: are you logged in as root from the other machine? |
| 04:03.35 | Phroziac | stew, yes. |
| 04:03.53 | stew | Phroziac: in that shell can you try running "modprobe mousedev ; modprobe usbmouse" and plug in your mouse then try moving it? |
| 04:04.44 | landgraf | bmead: doesn't exist. |
| 04:04.46 | landgraf | :( |
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| 04:05.25 | Phroziac | stew, nothing. |
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| 04:05.39 | jonainmi | hello |
| 04:05.39 | bmead | landgraf: does the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 exist? |
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| 04:06.09 | landgraf | bmead: yes |
| 04:06.40 | bmead | landgraf:edit that file instead and tell me what it has for the vertical and horizontal refresh rates? |
| 04:07.19 | Phroziac | stew, should i just reboot? |
| 04:07.43 | landgraf | bmead: 640x480 |
| 04:08.42 | bmead | landgraf: under the Monitor section look for HorizSync and VertRefresh and read the number ranges to me |
| 04:08.43 | landgraf | bmead: my card is VIDEO CARD: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller |
| 04:09.25 | landgraf | bmead: sorry 28-50 and 43-75 |
| 04:09.46 | bmead | landgraf: What kind of laptop is it |
| 04:09.53 | landgraf | bmead: dell |
| 04:09.56 | stew | Phroziac: there is no reason to reboot |
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| 04:10.11 | stew | Phroziac: if you hit ctrl-alt-f2 do you get a login screen? |
| 04:10.15 | bmead | landgraf what resolution did it display in suse or windows? |
| 04:10.27 | Phroziac | stew: no. |
| 04:10.30 | landgraf | bmead: 1024x768 |
| 04:10.45 | stew | Phroziac: does ctrl-alt-bksp kill the xserver? |
| 04:10.58 | landgraf | bmead: xdebconfigurator has detected my hardware. |
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| 04:11.14 | Phroziac | no stew |
| 04:11.29 | landgraf | bmead: xdebconfigurator doesn't help me to configure my XF86Config-4 file ? |
| 04:11.40 | bmead | landgraf the HorizSync and VertRefresh numbers look good don't change them. On the line withthe 640x480 just add a 1024x768 to the left of the 640x480 on each line that has the 640x480. |
| 04:12.05 | stew | landgraf: XF86Config-4 is for xfree you should be using xorg and xorg.conf |
| 04:12.41 | stew | Phroziac: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin? (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 04:12.58 | bmead | stew: It depends on which version of Deiban he is using. As of sarge it was still XF86Config-4 |
| 04:13.41 | stew | bmead: yes but he has said that he has upgraded to testing today and that he was running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:14.48 | bmead | Stew: apparently he didn't get all of his system upgraded. He must still have xfree not xorg or he would have an xorg.conf wouldn't he? |
| 04:15.10 | Phroziac | stew, there aren't any errors in it. how much do you want to see? |
| 04:15.20 | stew | bmead: and how do you know that he doesn't have an xorg.conf? |
| 04:15.39 | bmead | stew: He said so just a minute ago. |
| 04:16.25 | stew | bmead: where? |
| 04:16.38 | stew | landgraf: what does "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf" return? |
| 04:16.52 | jonainmi | hey guys, ive got a qustion, me and my dad argued about it today. The qustion is what type of proscessor do i have? and is it x86 contapable?, well i have a AMD sempron 3300+ (32-bit) and he is telling me that it is not an x86, i was just wondering if he is right? im not 100% sure of it now |
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| 04:17.04 | stew | Phroziac: if you use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php you can just upload the entire thing |
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| 04:17.35 | landgraf | stew: I have found xorg.conf.20060801024621 and copy to xorg.conf |
| 04:17.48 | landgraf | but doesn't work too. |
| 04:17.52 | Phroziac | stew: O_o cool. |
| 04:17.55 | stew | jonainmi: that is x86 |
| 04:18.19 | landgraf | bmead: I have found xorg.conf.20060801024621 and copy to xorg.conf |
| 04:18.27 | jonainmi | thank you |
| 04:18.37 | pstickne | jonainmi, tell him it's potatoe :p |
| 04:18.54 | bmead | landgraf: the file formats for XF86Config-4 and xorg.conf are almost identical. If you add the 1024x768 resolution lines as I mentioned above to your xorg.conf file it will also work. |
| 04:19.38 | landgraf | bmead: I have added but doesn't work too. |
| 04:19.58 | stew | landgraf: can you put your xorg.conf and you /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin? |
| 04:19.59 | Phroziac | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.04 | bmead | landgraf: does it stay at 320x200? |
| 04:20.53 | bmead | landgraf: did you actually restart X (not just log out) you might have to reboot to restart x if you are running kdm or gdm. |
| 04:21.03 | stew | Phroziac: you need to modprobe mousedev ; moseprobe usbmouse |
| 04:21.09 | stew | woah |
| 04:21.15 | stew | Phroziac: you need to modprobe mousedev ; modprobe usbmouse |
| 04:21.28 | stew | Phroziac: add both "mousedev" and "usbmouse" on separate lines to /etc/modules |
| 04:21.52 | stew | Phroziac: on the root shell, run "chvt 1" which should bring you back to the console |
| 04:22.02 | Phroziac | i modprobed that. |
| 04:22.11 | stew | Phroziac: before or after the last time you started x? |
| 04:22.28 | Phroziac | stew, after. |
| 04:22.30 | stew | Phroziac: it looks like it hadn't been loaded before this log was created |
| 04:22.53 | stew | Phroziac: x isn't running now, run "chvt 1" to get back to a text console then try starting x again |
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| 04:22.55 | Phroziac | stew, chvt 1 didn't do anything |
| 04:23.05 | landgraf | http://pastebin.ca/109531 |
| 04:23.08 | landgraf | xorg.conf |
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| 04:23.25 | Ruede | hi all |
| 04:23.38 | stew | Phroziac: add those two lines to /etc/modules then reboot, i guess |
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| 04:24.15 | bmead | landgraf: The higher resolution numbers have to be to the left of the lower resolution numbers in the file. |
| 04:24.15 | Ruede | I have to run "alsaconf" everytime I Restart my machine or even login. any suggestions ? |
| 04:24.20 | bmead | otherwise it is right. |
| 04:24.36 | Phroziac | ok. |
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| 04:24.45 | linlin | is there any way i can "sieze" control of a terminal (if i am root of course) of a remotely logged on ssh user? |
| 04:24.45 | stew | landgraf: what video card do you have? |
| 04:25.08 | landgraf | bmead: http://pastebin.ca/109536 |
| 04:25.29 | landgraf | stew: VIDEO CARD: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller |
| 04:25.30 | pstickne | linlin, no |
| 04:25.37 | pstickne | linlin, it's a secure connection |
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| 04:25.49 | pstickne | linlin, or, maybe does it use a pty? |
| 04:25.49 | landgraf | the last pastbin was log file. |
| 04:26.01 | landgraf | bmead: ok going change. |
| 04:26.03 | stew | landgraf: where you have Driver "vga" make that: Driver "i810" |
| 04:26.05 | linlin | pts |
| 04:26.25 | pstickne | maybe :) no luck searching in that broader field? |
| 04:27.09 | stew | landgraf: you'll want your default depth to be 24, then in the Depth 24 section, put 1024x768 *in front of* 640x480 |
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| 04:28.30 | Phroziac | stew; it worked. |
| 04:28.55 | Phroziac | now, is it working because of the vesa driver or because of the mouse driver{ |
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| 04:29.25 | landgraf | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: __glXLastContext |
| 04:29.25 | landgraf | (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so |
| 04:29.25 | landgraf | (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7) |
| 04:29.25 | landgraf | (EE) Failed to load module "speedo" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 04:29.25 | landgraf | (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
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| 04:29.48 | landgraf | sorry |
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| 04:30.56 | linlin | pstickne, no hope for a "pts" ? |
| 04:30.58 | bmead | landgraf: that is a lower case i not I in the i810 |
| 04:31.27 | stew | i guess i810 still isn't fixed in testing |
| 04:31.42 | pstickne | linlin, does it use one? |
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| 04:32.00 | landgraf | ok guys thanks a lot |
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| 04:32.08 | stew | landgraf: i guess switch i810 to vesa for now, or read about trying to get i810 working on http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 04:32.09 | bmead | stew: If he goes back to vga will the resoluton 1024x768 work? |
| 04:32.25 | stew | bmead: i don't think so, but with vesa it should |
| 04:32.49 | bmead | stew: when he comes back tell him about visa driver. |
| 04:33.25 | pstickne | landgraf, what if you just disable the modules that seem to croak? |
| 04:34.16 | bmead | pstickne: better tell him to put a # pound sign in front of the load xxxx lines or he probably won't know what you mean. |
| 04:34.17 | stew | landgraf: hmm pstickne is right you could try commenting out the GLcore line |
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| 04:35.00 | stew | Phroziac: the log that you posted was clearly going to quit because it didn't find a core mouse pointer |
| 04:35.08 | landgraf | I have tried, but doesn't work too. |
| 04:35.11 | linlin | pstickne yes |
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| 04:35.25 | linlin | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 04:35.25 | linlin | inetradi pts/1 207-255-23-011-d 04:21 23:09 0.01s 0.01s -bash |
| 04:35.49 | nexis | can anyone point me in the direction of a simple and light UI designer |
| 04:35.57 | stew | Phroziac: the EE lines at the end are fatal (a core pointer is required unless you pass a command line option telling it to ignore it) |
| 04:35.58 | nexis | just need to have a few buttons to launch a application or 2 |
| 04:36.22 | pstickne | linlin, so question, is there a way to grab control of one of those? :) google might know |
| 04:36.23 | Phroziac | stew: and that won't let me have a console back? or was that part just a bug? |
| 04:36.57 | stew | Phroziac: i don't know why that is |
| 04:37.10 | stew | Phroziac: "chvt 1" should really have worked |
| 04:37.27 | Phroziac | stew: ok, i'm just going to go to bed now. thanks. :) |
| 04:37.48 | stew | nexis: does your window manager / desktop environment not provide you with some toolbar or something you could add buttons to? |
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| 04:38.13 | landgraf | guys, thanks a lot your time. |
| 04:38.16 | nexis | stew, looking more for a interface for a touchscreen system. |
| 04:38.28 | landgraf | i going to bed. bye. |
| 04:38.55 | stew | nexis: there is glade2 for a drag and drop interface designer |
| 04:39.47 | nexis | ok, ill give it a shot. |
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| 04:45.57 | DragonD | is there a way to tell apt how many files to download at once? |
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| 04:47.54 | unix_infidel | DragonD: search in apt-get for the -d option |
| 04:48.18 | DragonD | unix_infidel: i use aptitude tho |
| 04:48.53 | unix_infidel | no idea then, i use apt-get. |
| 04:49.10 | unix_infidel | the -d option resolves depends so, its quite easier than wgetting a list of debs. |
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| 04:49.28 | prudhvi_ | anyone here using Unstable ? |
| 04:49.36 | DragonD | i mean if you are installing multiple things, or apt has to download several files can i have it download say 5 files at once instead of just one at once? |
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| 04:50.15 | prudhvi_ | can any one tell me where /etc/X11/X points to in Sid ( Unstable ) |
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| 04:50.26 | prolific | Which modutils package is for 2.6.x? I've recompiled into 2.6 recently and I realized as I went to load my module that the error was probably due to a wrong version of insmod |
| 04:50.38 | prudhvi_ | i messed up with the symlink |
| 04:50.52 | prolific | I can't seem to find a version-specific package |
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| 04:51.50 | Machoman | whats the command to copy a file? |
| 04:51.56 | Machoman | sorry |
| 04:51.58 | Machoman | folder |
| 04:51.59 | Machoman | dir |
| 04:52.28 | pstickne | cp |
| 04:52.35 | pstickne | you want the -r option |
| 04:52.38 | pstickne | maybe -p |
| 04:52.42 | pstickne | depends |
| 04:53.00 | g333k | Hi, when I reboot I receive this message: "INIT: Id "Z6" respawning too fast, disable for 5 minutes" "INIT: no more processes left in this runlevel" why? |
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| 04:54.20 | pstickne | g333k, maybe: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions//showthread.php?t=457370 |
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| 04:59.43 | g333k | pstickne, It's curious, I have not commented the 6 lines that he does |
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| 05:02.12 | pstickne | g333k, the just is there: something is not spawning right. so when it dies it tries to spawn again. but it dies right away. |
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| 05:02.27 | pstickne | g333k, so after a few times init is like, "wtf!?!" and decides to back off |
| 05:02.47 | pstickne | g333k, maybe something named "z6"? |
| 05:03.26 | g333k | pstickne, so how can I know, who is "Z6" ? |
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| 05:08.26 | g333k | pstickne, see line 30: http://pastebin.com/760721 |
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| 05:09.34 | w00kie | Has anyone gotten a raid 0 on raid 1 system to work with Etch? I just installed etch and rebooted and it detects the raid-1 drives, but it doesn't detect the raid-0, so it can't mount my root partition. If I run /scripts/local-top/md by hand, it finds my raid-0. Anyone know how I can modify the boot scripts to get it to detect my raid-0 setup? |
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| 05:21.20 | pstickne | g333k, pastebin is sucks, try pastie.caboo.se |
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| 05:22.48 | g333k | pstickne, http://pastie.caboo.se/6839 line 30 |
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| 05:27.27 | pstickne | g333k, ohh, looks like the single-user fall through |
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| 05:27.43 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: i incorporated the random folder icon on my photo gallery. (= |
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| 05:27.59 | g333k | pstickne, this line was uncommented I just commented |
| 05:28.13 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: if theres more than 1 folder-*.png, random, else if folder.png use this, else no icon. |
| 05:28.31 | DragonD | i have a program listing on all interfaces on udp but can only recive udp if it is not listing on all ip addresses. does anyone know why? |
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| 05:29.41 | pstickne | g333k, so, uhm, I don't know why it was trying to be started. |
| 05:29.52 | pstickne | g333k, when did it start happening? |
| 05:30.20 | pstickne | (leaving that comment is probablly a "bad thing" -- esp. if you need to enter linux via a "single rescue") |
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| 05:31.15 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: i also include "X albums X images" for each folder, pageload time, and all the thumbnails are stored in 1 dir like libapache-gallery-perl so its not a mess.. unlike other album generators. |
| 05:32.16 | g333k | pstickne, today.... last days I was receiving that message: "ctrl+D to maintenance or give root pass" |
| 05:32.52 | g333k | pstickne, I just commented that line to see what happens next reboot |
| 05:36.20 | pstickne | g333k, no :x |
| 05:36.30 | pstickne | g333k, that's the sulogin program running! |
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| 05:36.38 | ice_1963 | cacnada borked to ^^ |
| 05:37.15 | amc | Hi, Guys. Is there any plugin to make gparted can convert to fat32 |
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| 05:41.02 | g333k | pstickne, what does it mean? |
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| 05:41.34 | pstickne | g333k, not sure, I'm not sure if z6 is invoked just when 'single' is passed or also when a problem is found on boot |
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| 05:42.09 | pstickne | g333k, if it _is_ the latter then commenting that line would be very bad from what you described; does said command exist? |
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| 05:43.38 | mha13 | how do i configure exim4 (basic configuration) |
| 05:44.27 | sep | mha13, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:46.17 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:48.04 | g333k | pstickne, what command? |
| 05:48.53 | pstickne | /sbin/sulogin? |
| 05:50.57 | g333k | pstickne, nop... it doent |
| 05:51.07 | g333k | pstickne, nop... it doesnt exist* |
| 05:52.22 | g333k | pstickne, I'm sorry yes, there is a file called sulogin inside sbin |
| 05:52.27 | sep | g333k, if you didnt change anything in your grub/lilo or inittab, then it's a indication of fsck failing and you have to login to fix your disc manually. (have backups) |
| 05:52.59 | sep | or some other fault. the lines about should tell you what exactly failed |
| 05:53.21 | pstickne | sep, pfft. I just marked ~1300 1k blocks as bad as still up :P |
| 05:53.46 | g333k | sep, I did fsck to all my filesystems today and I have no errors? |
| 05:53.54 | sep | pstickne, that's like sawnig of the brance your sitting on, but everyone needs a hobby :) |
| 05:54.39 | g333k | sep, maybe I need some parameter to scan my filesystems? |
| 05:54.55 | pstickne | sep, haha |
| 05:55.08 | sep | g333k, what you need to do is identify the error prior to it running sulogin. ie why did it not boot normaly. |
| 05:55.41 | g333k | sep, it boots correctly... the problem is rebooting |
| 05:56.37 | g333k | sep, so you are telling me not to comment that line? |
| 05:57.27 | pstickne | g333k, it's an escape route. don't sink with the ship. |
| 05:58.14 | sep | g333k, fixx the problem do not comment out the symtoms |
| 06:00.43 | g333k | sep, pstickne: any suggestion to find the cause of that problem? |
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| 06:08.18 | terminal|giga | amixer complains about not finding the card |
| 06:08.26 | terminal|giga | but i haven't any idea what to pass it |
| 06:08.38 | terminal|giga | but |
| 06:08.54 | terminal|giga | dev shows audio0-4 and audioctrl |
| 06:09.28 | terminal|giga | any idears |
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| 06:10.50 | g333k | thanks buddy's |
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| 06:15.29 | mha13 | what uses port 946 ? |
| 06:16.36 | Wettoad | mha13: possibly the portmapper |
| 06:16.44 | Wettoad | to an rpcinfo -p |
| 06:17.13 | nexis | mha13, you could just netstat -lanp4|grep 946 |
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| 06:18.14 | mha13 | nexis:it gives me tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:946 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5010/famd so i have nothing to work with ... |
| 06:18.21 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.22 | nexis | famd |
| 06:18.31 | nexis | File Alteration Monitor Deamon |
| 06:18.52 | nexis | and seeing as its listening in 127.0.0.1:946 seems only local things can connect to it. |
| 06:18.58 | aum | hi - unstable's kde pkgs are b0rk3n, kdelibs4c2a depends on kdelibs-data <4:3.5.4, but i've got kdelibs-data 3.5.4.1 installed, and there's no versions of kdelibs-data in the version range which kdelibs4c2a demands - any ideas? |
| 06:19.07 | Loady | hi guys.. im a bit new to chrooting. is there any disanvantages to symlinking vs copying libs etc. ? |
| 06:20.10 | nexis | mha13, apt-cache show fam |
| 06:20.36 | mha13 | aum: purge the kde-libs4ca and kdelibs-data then try reinstalling it |
| 06:20.50 | mha13 | nexis: 10q d00d ,, |
| 06:21.18 | nexis | wtf are you trying to say, i dont speek AOL |
| 06:22.08 | mha13 | nexis:10q = thank you , d00d = dood |
| 06:22.11 | aum | mha13: not helping: kdelibs4c2a: Depends: kdelibs-data (< 4:3.5.4) but 4:3.5.4-1 is to be installed |
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| 06:23.07 | nexis | aum try apt-get instal --reinstall kdelibs4c2a kdelibs-data |
| 06:23.12 | nexis | *install |
| 06:23.33 | aum | nexis: same error |
| 06:23.36 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.47 | Loady | ls |
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| 06:23.49 | aum | mha13: using nz mirror |
| 06:23.49 | nexis | aum, have you dont apt-get update ? |
| 06:23.50 | Loady | wops |
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| 06:23.56 | aum | nexis: 2 mins ago |
| 06:24.05 | nexis | tried a apt-get upgrade ? |
| 06:24.13 | nexis | or a apt-get install -f ? |
| 06:24.25 | aum | i'll switch to us mirrors and try again |
| 06:24.46 | nexis | try the core mirrors if your having problems |
| 06:24.57 | mha13 | aum:try the core mirros |
| 06:26.02 | mha13 | aum:also if you can remove and _PURGE_ kde-libs and kde-libs-data |
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| 06:26.51 | nexis | or if you can stand it, walk away for 3 hours, come back, and try again |
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| 06:27.07 | nexis | it seems like the "restart your windows computer and try again" approach, but there are times when it works. |
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| 06:27.25 | Loady | hi guys.. im a bit new to chrooting. and im chrooting a lot of services at work. is there any disanvantages to symlinking vs copying libs etc. ? |
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| 06:29.34 | aum | problem solved - my deb feed mirror is fuX0r3d |
| 06:29.45 | mha13 | nexis: i did dist-upgrade from http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian/ |
| 06:29.54 | peterS | Loady: symlinking won't work for chrooting. that's the main disadvantage. |
| 06:30.01 | mha13 | oops for aum |
| 06:30.17 | aum | ftp.us.debian.org has the good shit |
| 06:31.00 | nexis | mha13, did you check for a upgrade flag before you started? |
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| 06:31.33 | nexis | always check before a dist-upgrade |
| 06:31.46 | nexis | because that mirror is in the middle of a update. |
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| 06:32.40 | mha13 | nexis:where do i c that flag ? .. |
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| 06:32.46 | Loady | peterS: damn. oh well. i guess i have to script things again. or things will be impossible to update. |
| 06:32.47 | nexis | http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian/Archive-Update-in-Progress-ftp.de.debian.org |
| 06:32.52 | mha13 | nexis:all work fine for me |
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| 06:33.06 | wassim | hello |
| 06:33.06 | nexis | update flag. |
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| 06:33.32 | wassim | i have some problems with gnome-ppp, can any one help me |
| 06:33.49 | mha13 | nexis:so if this file exist i should avoid upgrade ? |
| 06:34.09 | peterS | Loady: yeah. see the 'jailer' and 'jailtool' packages for ways to automate the process a bit |
| 06:34.17 | pstickne | yaya! |
| 06:34.24 | pstickne | I just removed all my applications. WhoohoO! |
| 06:35.07 | nexis | mha13, yea, untill that goes away |
| 06:35.18 | nexis | because they are in the middle of updating the mirror. |
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| 06:37.42 | mha13 | nexis:10q |
| 06:38.26 | pstickne | that is so lame |
| 06:38.56 | stoned | argh, same problem again |
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| 06:39.36 | krillr | how hard is it to upgrade from debian 3.1 to whats currently set to become stable 4.0 using apt? |
| 06:39.42 | krillr | is it easy? does it break things? |
| 06:39.52 | stoned | my user can't use startx, alghouth can get into X with just issuing "X". root can however use the startx and just X. I can't seem to figure out the problem, any help |
| 06:39.58 | krillr | the reason i ask is because the datacenter im about to get a server from only does 3.1, and i want 4.0 |
| 06:40.27 | kern_malloc | Hello guys, I'm trying to get debian installed on my laptop. I have a SATA cdrom but it looks like SATA is not by default in the bootup kernel. Is there an option at boot time I can supply to turn on SATA support to read my DVD/CDROM ? |
| 06:40.28 | pstickne | stoned, try dpg-reconfigure x11-common |
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| 06:40.38 | pstickne | stoned, it can set "who can start X" |
| 06:40.53 | krillr | kern_malloc: what debian version? |
| 06:40.58 | kern_malloc | testing |
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| 06:41.07 | kern_malloc | 2.6.16 is the kernel it's booting |
| 06:41.42 | krillr | kern_malloc: then SATA is supported by default. it can't exactly be removed or modularized very well. are you sure your DVD/CDROM is SATA? |
| 06:41.59 | krillr | kern_malloc: whats the make/model of your laptop btw |
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| 06:42.13 | kern_malloc | krillr - hrm maybe just my hdisk is. but it's not finding my cdrom for some reason..... |
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| 06:42.45 | kern_malloc | hdc: PHILIPS CD-RW/DVD-ROM SCB5265, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
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| 06:42.45 | kern_malloc | hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache |
| 06:42.45 | krillr | kern_malloc: i have a feeling your DVD/CD-rom is USB (quite common for internal laptop dvd drives) |
| 06:42.51 | kern_malloc | n/m it's just a normal atap it looks like |
| 06:42.55 | krillr | interesting |
| 06:43.04 | kern_malloc | this is a Dell Latitude D610 |
| 06:43.09 | krillr | well that kills my theory pretty much |
| 06:43.12 | krillr | let me do some checking |
| 06:43.25 | kern_malloc | yah i'm doing some google'in now.. just wasn't sure if this was a common thing :) |
| 06:43.37 | krillr | will Dell machines anything is possible. |
| 06:43.37 | krillr | :-p |
| 06:43.39 | krillr | *with |
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| 06:44.15 | krillr | cant find anything on that particular model |
| 06:44.38 | krillr | just for fits and giggles, import the usb_storage module |
| 06:44.46 | krillr | if it isnt already |
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| 06:45.24 | SwanSword | I've found booting the install with the 2.4 kernel, and then later installing the 2.6 kernel works with machines that can't detect the Cdrom during the install. |
| 06:45.51 | kern_malloc | ahhh i think i found it |
| 06:46.07 | kern_malloc | says put libata.atapi_enabled=1 in kernel boot |
| 06:46.17 | kern_malloc | SwanSword: yah i saw that someone suggested that as well |
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| 06:46.36 | peterS | kern_malloc: from what you said, hdc being the cdrom, it's not SATA. |
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| 06:46.52 | krillr | SATA shows up with sd* |
| 06:47.01 | peterS | krillr: no, scd* |
| 06:47.04 | nevyn | depends |
| 06:47.09 | kern_malloc | peterS: well... this is another distro.... but technically this laptop is SATA |
| 06:47.14 | kern_malloc | i'm not sure why it's being read as ATAPI |
| 06:47.19 | nevyn | my laptop is sata |
| 06:47.30 | kern_malloc | but every website ir ead about this laptop (Dell latitude D610),I must have sata enabled |
| 06:47.30 | nevyn | and my cdrom is atapi on sata |
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| 06:47.50 | kern_malloc | nevyn: ah... |
| 06:48.00 | nevyn | if it's a ich6 laptop then it's quite possible that the cdrom is atapi on sata using a bridge |
| 06:48.14 | peterS | that seems plausible enough |
| 06:48.28 | kern_malloc | well i'm going try this parameter |
| 06:48.41 | krillr | peterS: funny, my sata dvd drive shows up sdc. |
| 06:48.58 | peterS | krillr: that is funny. are you using packet writing? |
| 06:49.03 | krillr | yup. |
| 06:49.17 | krillr | course im on suse 10.1. maybe debs different |
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| 06:49.36 | Axioplase | Hi |
| 06:49.39 | peterS | because normally a SCSI CDROM drive does not use the SCSI disk interface |
| 06:49.55 | krillr | dunno what to say, maybe suse is different |
| 06:49.55 | peterS | of course you're on SUSE 10.1, you can't use apostrophes |
| 06:50.13 | SwanSword | SuSE has always been different |
| 06:50.44 | krillr | its not that i cant, its that i cant be bothered to :-p |
| 06:51.12 | peterS | it's not terribly difficult to type 4 extra characters in a 60-character line, when the payoff is that people don't think you're an idiot |
| 06:51.21 | SwanSword | Why is abbreviation such a long word? |
| 06:51.37 | peterS | SwanSword: so that it can be abbreviated, of course |
| 06:51.40 | krillr | funny, most people dont judge others by their online grammar. |
| 06:51.51 | krillr | i certainly dont |
| 06:52.07 | peterS | krillr: you'd be surprised. I judge people by grammar online and offline. of course, that's because I have good grammar so I can actually tell the difference. |
| 06:52.13 | krillr | If you would like, I can begin typing in complete sentence with proper punctuation and capitalization. |
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| 06:52.33 | SwanSword | It shows you care about yourself, and others if you use good grammer. |
| 06:52.36 | kern_malloc | yay ok libata.atapi_enabled=1 works. cdrom shows up as /dev/scd0 now. |
| 06:52.49 | krillr | It also shows you care about yourself by spelling properly. ;-) |
| 06:53.10 | peterS | kern_malloc: good, good |
| 06:53.35 | kern_malloc | weird how on my gentoo boot it shows up as /dev/hdc (atapi) :) |
| 06:54.11 | peterS | kern_malloc: perhaps you have an ICH series chipset, and you were using the old-style piix driver, which in some kernels supports some sata chips |
| 06:54.20 | kern_malloc | yah |
| 06:54.35 | peterS | it makes the sata devices look and act like regular old ATA devices |
| 06:54.59 | kern_malloc | ah |
| 06:55.34 | kern_malloc | now, so I know what I'm doing. etch is testing, i.e. the next release, whereas sid is unstable. |
| 06:55.47 | kern_malloc | sid will have the newest packages.. (?) |
| 06:55.51 | peterS | it was a decent stopgap measure, but the libata drivers, which make SATA devices look and act like SCSI, are the way forward |
| 06:56.19 | peterS | yes, newest, not necessarily best |
| 06:56.32 | peterS | (otherwise, if sid always had the best of everything, there's be no point having the other distributions around) |
| 06:56.46 | kern_malloc | i completely agree and understand. I just wanna get my branches right :) |
| 06:56.50 | kern_malloc | does sid have xorg 7.1? |
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| 06:57.05 | peterS | not yet |
| 06:57.27 | peterS | well, I'm not sure, I thought it did but the command I used just now to check says it doesn't |
| 06:57.41 | kern_malloc | k.. np |
| 06:57.41 | kern_malloc | thanks for checking |
| 06:58.14 | peterS | xorg has been split up into a zillion pieces which can now be updated independently of each other |
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| 06:58.27 | kern_malloc | correct.. it does use 7.0 tho right? |
| 06:58.28 | peterS | so it's now a bit hard to tell whether the pieces are the ones that ship with xorg 7.1 or not |
| 06:58.36 | kern_malloc | ah that's true |
| 06:58.40 | peterS | since they all have their own version numbers |
| 06:58.43 | kern_malloc | because some of the files are like xorg-server-1.1.1 |
| 06:58.46 | kern_malloc | which is like 7.1.1 or something |
| 06:59.19 | peterS | the core server is at 1.0.2 in sid. the matrox video driver is at version 1.2.1.3. for example. |
| 06:59.22 | RvGaTe | good morning... |
| 06:59.24 | nrdb | I want to control what the power button does, where do I look for what get run when the power button is pressed? |
| 07:00.33 | liable | its still 7.0 in sid innit? |
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| 07:00.42 | enouf | nrdb: you mean various ACPI S1-3 -- what DE or DM are you using -- which version and kernel of Deb? |
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| 07:01.51 | peterS | liable: the question is much less meaningful than it would have been a few months ago. with modular components, it's possible that some packages are the ones released with xorg 7.0, some packages are the ones released with xorg 7.1, some packages are newer still |
| 07:02.05 | peterS | there's no reason to keep them in lockstep anymore |
| 07:02.17 | nrdb | its ubuntu, linux version 2.6.15 kenel, using udev |
| 07:02.30 | peterS | we don't support ubuntu |
| 07:02.38 | liable | peterS: yep, i guess i should clarify, i was reffering to the server. which i believe is still 7.0 |
| 07:03.24 | peterS | liable: the server is broken into about 70 packages now, so the question still isn't obvious. I think the core part of the server is at 7.0. |
| 07:03.26 | liable | nrdb: ask in #ubuntu (hint /etc/acpi/actions) now go! :P |
| 07:03.44 | deadcat_ | dondelelcaro: just added comment capability to the gallery. but the codes are kinna messy though.. |
| 07:04.23 | peterS | but it's possible to release xserver-xorg-video-i810 independently of xserver-xorg-input-mouse independently of xserver-xorg-core, now. |
| 07:04.46 | enouf | nrdb: I dunno -- as others said Ubuntu is not supported here -- besides AFAIK, there's no Root on ubuntu (unless you create it, explicitly) |
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| 07:05.28 | nrdb | enouf: you can do it much the same thing using "sudo su -" |
| 07:05.32 | pstickne | enouf, no root user? |
| 07:05.50 | liable | not ny default, no |
| 07:05.57 | liable | s/ny/by/ |
| 07:06.07 | peterS | pstickne: he's repeating a sound bite he heard, probably doesn't actually know what it means or why it's relevant to the present question |
| 07:06.13 | peterS | which it isn't |
| 07:06.16 | pstickne | liable, how is system controlled? create an account with uid 0? |
| 07:06.24 | raf256 | in debian testing, can I downgrade the X related stuff to use xorg 6.9 since xorg 7 is so broken considering i810 support? but keeping other programs that USE X in testing versions. and how to? |
| 07:06.32 | liable | pstickne: excuse me? |
| 07:06.37 | enouf | Ladies and Gents: I know NOT for sure ...so RT Fine Manual -- especially since it changes every 6 months with that distribution |
| 07:06.44 | pstickne | liable, with no `root` user. |
| 07:06.53 | streuner | raf256: reinstall |
| 07:06.57 | pstickne | liable, granted name is just convention, uid 0 is power. |
| 07:06.58 | nrdb | pstickne: there is an admin group that can do anything via sudo. |
| 07:06.59 | liable | pstickne: i dont use ubuntu, i have a root user :P |
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| 07:07.16 | raf256 | streuner: reinstall what? |
| 07:07.30 | enouf | peterS : are you referring to my comments ? |
| 07:07.33 | raf256 | how can I downgrade Xorg (and needed related stuff) to version from stable? |
| 07:07.42 | pstickne | nrdb, interesting |
| 07:07.50 | peterS | enouf: yes. I can't imagine why "ubuntu doesn't have a root user" has _anything_ to do with the question about ACPI events |
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| 07:08.05 | jeanmi__ | hi |
| 07:08.14 | firecracker2k6 | Hi guys, having a problem with azureus, I get the following error line 2: /usr/share/java-config/libswt-3.1-java: No such file or directory |
| 07:08.14 | firecracker2k6 | but I have java installed, am I missing somthing? |
| 07:08.30 | liable | raf256: prolly very difficult. and would have to be done manually more than likely. |
| 07:08.32 | nrdb | pstickne: saves remembering two passwords |
| 07:08.35 | peterS | enouf: the only explanation I came up with is that it's something you heard about ubuntu, and the since ubuntu was the subject being discussed, you figured it was useful to point out |
| 07:08.42 | pstickne | nrdb, that's a bad excuse |
| 07:08.46 | enouf | peterS : Think about it - if you can't change the Date/Time without root privs, what makes you think you can alter the power managemant? |
| 07:08.48 | pstickne | nrdb, and bad seperation of LUA |
| 07:08.56 | jeanmi__ | does it make any sense in English to write for an vacation automatic reply " ... I will have limited access to my emails...." ? |
| 07:09.02 | peterS | enouf: and what makes you think you can't get root privs in ubuntu? |
| 07:09.16 | nrdb | pstickne: LUA? |
| 07:09.20 | pstickne | nrdb, does it try to get people to create an "admin" account or do normally-used accounts belong to the admin group? |
| 07:09.20 | enouf | peterS : That's NOT what I said!! |
| 07:09.22 | liable | jeanmi__: very ot, but yeah, that sounds ok. |
| 07:09.27 | pstickne | nrdb, Limitted User Access |
| 07:09.36 | streuner | peterS, enouf: ask in #ubuntu? :-) |
| 07:09.41 | pstickne | nrdb, eg: I don't log in to root unless I need to |
| 07:09.50 | pstickne | nrdb, my normal account is a plain old user |
| 07:09.54 | streuner | they should know better... |
| 07:10.14 | Axioplase | hum, when I try to set the time and date in gnome, it says that I didn't install ntpsupport, though ntp *is* installed.. I need to run /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart everytime I want to reset the date correctly.. What should I do ? |
| 07:10.14 | jeanmi__ | liable I thought it did sound stupid when my colleagues are using that |
| 07:10.18 | peterS | enouf: what did you say then? it sounds to me like you don't actually have any idea how the root user works in ubuntu. and that's fine. but it does make it kind of annoying to listen to you talk about it on a channel where nobody even asked you about it, and where it isn't on topic |
| 07:10.23 | firecracker2k6 | anyone? |
| 07:10.45 | enouf | streuner: thanks -- but I don't need to ask ... I don't use Ubuntu, but I KNOW, that by default a Root acount is NOT created during install...atleast up until 5.x |
| 07:10.47 | liable | jeanmi__: its prolly not the best way to say it, but it certainly gets the point across |
| 07:10.56 | nrdb | pstickne: only the user created at install time is added to the admin group by default, any others must be added by someone how is allready in the admin group. |
| 07:11.34 | enouf | peterS : cabish?? -- or no? |
| 07:11.40 | pstickne | nrdb, I hope they have/add in a "you should only use this user for administration purposes. Else we might end up with something like Windows XP ;) |
| 07:11.48 | firecracker2k6 | guess not |
| 07:11.49 | peterS | enouf: what does cabish mean? |
| 07:11.52 | pstickne | s/we/ubuntu/ |
| 07:11.57 | jeanmi__ | liable to me "I will have limited access to my email" sound likes "actually my wife does not like me standing in front of a pc during holidays so I am only allowed for 10 minutes online a day :) |
| 07:12.03 | enouf | peterS : bah! -- forget it |
| 07:12.18 | peterS | sounds like a cross between radishes and cabbage |
| 07:12.41 | peterS | which could be kind of tasty, chopped up with mayo and whipped cream |
| 07:12.44 | streuner | peterS, enouf: ask in #ubuntu |
| 07:12.45 | enouf | peterS : that would be a rutebega |
| 07:12.57 | peterS | !tell streuner about repeat |
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| 07:13.07 | streuner | !tell peterS about stfu |
| 07:13.08 | liable | jeanmi__: sure, but either way you look at it, it means you wont neccesarily get your emails in a timely manner. (thats what i think when i read it) |
| 07:13.18 | znoruk | hi |
| 07:13.47 | peterS | streuner: I rather doubt they'll know in #ubuntu what the meaning of 'cabish' is |
| 07:14.00 | streuner | but about 'root' |
| 07:14.02 | znoruk | streuner: peterS is not so green, is he? |
| 07:14.19 | peterS | green? neither radishes nor cabbages are green |
| 07:14.34 | enouf | peterS : know any Espanol ? |
| 07:14.36 | znoruk | peterS: new, innocent.. |
| 07:14.36 | jeanmi__ | liable ok, so you get what it means ... like when you talk with a non-nativce English speaker and eventually figure out what he was trying to say, right ? :) |
| 07:15.01 | peterS | enouf: I don't know Espanol, nor even espańol. why? |
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| 07:15.18 | enouf | peterS : Well Cabish isn't Spanish , but the tranlation in Spanish is "comprehende" |
| 07:15.43 | peterS | enouf: ahh, a bit like 'capisce' in Italian |
| 07:15.57 | peterS | what language is cabish? |
| 07:16.10 | enouf | peterS : No -- like proscuito in Italian |
| 07:16.30 | peterS | now that's a word I don't know, though it's spelled a bit like their word for ham |
| 07:16.58 | enouf | peterS : What city is on the Northern West Coast of Italy - is it Genova or Genoa?? |
| 07:17.26 | peterS | there's a city of genoa, but I don't remember whether that's the Italian name or just the English name for the town |
| 07:18.15 | peterS | we seem to have a habit of butchering their town names. how Fiorenze became Florence is a bit of a mystery to me |
| 07:18.44 | enouf | peterS : English is not the be all end all -- when I speak in another language, I -try- to spell the native way...BTW -- iot's Genova |
| 07:19.05 | peterS | I haven't been there |
| 07:19.13 | peterS | does this have to do with debian, ubuntu, or ham? |
| 07:19.32 | enouf | peterS : It has to do with Pig fat ;-) |
| 07:19.52 | liable | jeanmi__: yep. |
| 07:20.05 | peterS | ah, capisco. ("I understand.") |
| 07:20.40 | peterS | where do they grow cabishes? |
| 07:20.42 | enouf | peterS : Actually the dialect and spelling vary throughout the country |
| 07:21.12 | enouf | peterS : In the rutebega fields ofcourse |
| 07:21.28 | EdLin | enouf: until standardization efforts in the eighteenth and nineteenth century, that was true of English too. |
| 07:21.40 | znoruk | want to know more about security of debian. is it more secure than, say, WinXP? |
| 07:21.50 | jeanmi__ | liable ok thanks |
| 07:21.51 | peterS | amazing. next you're going to claim there are italians in the northeast who speak a language which isn't Italian at all but is actually quite similar to Romansch. |
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| 07:22.26 | goober | howdy all, how do i install more then one package at a time? |
| 07:22.38 | goober | apt-get install package1 & package2 etc. |
| 07:22.39 | EdLin | goober: you don't |
| 07:22.40 | goober | something like that? |
| 07:22.41 | peterS | goober: just how you think. aptitude install package1 package2 package3 |
| 07:22.45 | enouf | EdLin: apologies for going WAY off topic -- but "high english" in Northern Italy spells most things the way I am doing |
| 07:22.50 | goober | ahh excellent. |
| 07:22.56 | EdLin | goober: oh, that's what you meant, it works |
| 07:23.06 | peterS | goober: without those & signs |
| 07:23.22 | enouf | EdLin: We can drop this now ...I've made my point |
| 07:23.24 | peterS | & is shell syntax meaning 'put previous pipeline in the background' |
| 07:23.38 | EdLin | enouf: all I know about Italian is that it's wonderful to listen to someone speak it - beautiful language. |
| 07:24.04 | enouf | EdLin: Opera !! |
| 07:24.35 | peterS | I'm still trying to figure out whether enouf had a point, beyond explaining about cabish agriculture and the verb 'capire' |
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| 07:24.56 | enouf | EdLin: God wants us to SING!!! -- oh boy -- please let's not go there ...ok |
| 07:25.32 | EdLin | enouf: I don't know what I've done to deserve your sarcasm |
| 07:25.34 | peterS | opera can be beautiful in any language. though it takes some effort to make this happen in German |
| 07:25.53 | enouf | peterS : My point was directed to your comment that i don't know what i'm talking about and asking you (in another language, nicely) if you understand |
| 07:26.20 | peterS | I'm still wondering what language 'cabish' is |
| 07:26.32 | peterS | not the vegetable, I mean, the verb |
| 07:26.39 | enouf | EdLin: no sarcasm intended -- I'm misunderstood -- let's let it lay |
| 07:27.05 | EdLin | peterS: "cabish" is the native language of cab drivers in New York |
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| 07:27.36 | peterS | EdLin: in 'Snow Crash' their language is called Taxilinga. but then, that takes place in LA, not NY |
| 07:27.55 | EdLin | peterS: I haven't read Snow Crash |
| 07:28.18 | enouf | The southern dialect uses G for cabish, so Gabish ok...? |
| 07:28.32 | peterS | southern dialect of what language? |
| 07:28.50 | EdLin | !it |
| 07:28.51 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'č anche il canale #linux-it lŕ. |
| 07:28.59 | enouf | peterS : the language of BozoKiller |
| 07:29.02 | peterS | like any book that deals too much in computers, 'Snow Crash' has its hokey moments. but I thought Stephenson did a pretty good job of keeping it as plausible as that sort of book can be |
| 07:29.38 | peterS | EdLin: thanks, I'm there (and, incidentally, wrote that factoid) |
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| 07:30.07 | peterS | (well, rewrote it, I forget what it looked like before but it did exist already) |
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| 07:31.28 | jrsims | I'm a debian noob. how do I install packages from the testing repos. Is it just a simple addition of adding the testing repos to my sources? |
| 07:31.44 | RvGaTe | jrsims, yes |
| 07:32.02 | enouf | peterS : Can we drop it ?? -- or are you that much of of a bozomosaic that I need to prove you wrong again? |
| 07:32.11 | jrsims | and testing means "pretty stable", right? |
| 07:32.12 | EdLin | jrsims: don't mix repositories |
| 07:32.33 | jrsims | EdLin: then what do I do? |
| 07:32.40 | peterS | again? when did you prove me wrong the first time? I guess I must have missed it amongst all the pretentiousness and style-without-substance of the rest of your declarations |
| 07:32.41 | EdLin | jrsims: testing means "I'm testing to help produce the upcoming next release" |
| 07:32.50 | jrsims | I want the 2.6 kernel, mysql 5. |
| 07:32.55 | jrsims | and updated gnome |
| 07:33.12 | EdLin | jrsims: the 2.6.8 kernel is in Sarge |
| 07:33.26 | enouf | peterS: Genoa vs Genova -- you may want to start taking multi-vitamins |
| 07:33.29 | jrsims | hmm... I used netinstall and I only got the 2.4 kernel |
| 07:33.41 | EdLin | jrsims: if you'd installed using "linux26" or "expert26" it would have installed 2.6 |
| 07:33.47 | RvGaTe | peterS, dont want to be a jerk, but can you please drop it? :S |
| 07:33.48 | jrsims | durr... |
| 07:33.55 | peterS | enouf: so that was supposed to be a trick question? you're the one who asked _me_ which one it was. are you saying you already knew? |
| 07:33.59 | fireba11 | jrsims: also you can just apt-get it |
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| 07:34.14 | Gnea | enouf is enough is enough, or something |
| 07:34.23 | jrsims | so how would I get mysql 5? grab it from testing? |
| 07:34.29 | enouf | peterS: Once you admit I'm right about ubuntu and root -- I have no issues with you |
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| 07:34.33 | EdLin | jrsims: maybe its in backports |
| 07:34.37 | Gnea | jrsims: are you running sarge? |
| 07:34.42 | jrsims | yes, running sarge |
| 07:34.48 | enouf | peterS: Genoa vs Genova -- Ofcourse |
| 07:34.51 | Gnea | then do not use packages from testing. |
| 07:34.53 | Gnea | that's wrong. |
| 07:34.55 | jrsims | enouf: what's your argument about ubuntu and root? |
| 07:34.59 | peterS | enouf: also, I seem to remember distinctly saying that the city is named Genoa, but that I couldn't remember whether this was the Italian name or just the English name |
| 07:35.04 | Gnea | !tell jrsims about backports |
| 07:35.17 | pstickne | jrsims, http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 07:35.20 | Gnea | jrsims: backports is what you should be using |
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| 07:35.22 | peterS | enouf: as it turns out, I was correct. Genoa _is_ the English name, and Genova is the Italian name. |
| 07:35.24 | jrsims | ok |
| 07:35.36 | pstickne | jrsims, just did it today, it's easy. just, make sure to build in cramfs if you're using initrd :) |
| 07:35.46 | peterS | enouf: if this is what you mean by "proving me wrong" ... I guess you have an interesting definition of either "prove" or "wrong" |
| 07:35.51 | ryty | anyone have any idea how to get agpgart working again on athlon64 archs with the newer kernel? |
| 07:35.54 | jrsims | I thought backports were kinda fragile when you go to upgrade to the next debian? |
| 07:35.57 | enouf | jrsims: no argument whatsoever -- i merely stated some facts |
| 07:36.01 | ryty | s/kernel/kernels/ |
| 07:36.05 | jrsims | enouf: I want to know! |
| 07:36.24 | enouf | jrsims: then read the log |
| 07:36.32 | jrsims | enouf: I just came in here |
| 07:36.42 | Gnea | jrsims: not sure where you heard that from... backports is the de facto glue to sarge for newer packages to be used. you'll only cause yourself pain and misery by using testing packages with stable. |
| 07:36.49 | enouf | jrsims: drop it then |
| 07:36.50 | jrsims | enouf: was wondering what your points about it were, since it kinda bothers me that ubuntu does not have root by defauly. |
| 07:37.10 | liable | jrsims: the release notes normally tell you how to deal with backports |
| 07:37.11 | Gnea | enouf: i'm sorry, but your discussion is in regards to debian how? |
| 07:37.11 | jrsims | Gnea: ok |
| 07:37.19 | enouf | jrsims: thats what i said !!! |
| 07:37.30 | peterS | jrsims: I think what he means, or what he would mean if he actually knew what he was talking about, is that you can't _log in_ to the root account by default. not that it doesn't exist. |
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| 07:37.33 | enouf | drop it !! |
| 07:37.41 | Gnea | drop it yourself |
| 07:37.45 | RvGaTe | yes please, drop it.. both of you |
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| 07:37.59 | jrsims | enouf: whine whine |
| 07:38.11 | RvGaTe | yes please, drop it.. all of you |
| 07:38.25 | jrsims | I am now dropping it. I thought there might have been a point in there somewhere. |
| 07:38.27 | elbixio | hi everybody. we want to install debian in our school's computer lab. i was wondering, is there any way to control the entire lab (users/groups, packages selection/configuration) from a single computer? |
| 07:38.41 | Shadur | elbixio: You might want to look into systemimager. |
| 07:38.54 | enouf | EVERYBODY : I don't whine - I clarify and if Bozomania continues -- I'll leave -- no prob |
| 07:39.01 | elbixio | Shadur, is it free software? |
| 07:39.04 | jrsims | ok, well, thanks for the help everyone. I'm on my way to upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian! |
| 07:39.05 | peterS | don't let the door hit you on your way out |
| 07:39.09 | Shadur | elbixio: It's in debian. |
| 07:39.22 | elbixio | Shadur, :O thanks i'll look for it right now |
| 07:39.52 | Gnea | enouf: the fact that you're still going on about anything in regards to 'it' only signifies that you are the only one who has not truely dropped it. Please, stand up, walk away from the keyboard, and come back later. |
| 07:40.06 | RvGaTe | yes please, drop it.. all of you |
| 07:40.06 | RvGaTe | yes please, drop it.. all of you |
| 07:40.08 | RvGaTe | damn |
| 07:40.11 | RvGaTe | this anoys me |
| 07:40.26 | EdLin | !sing sunday |
| 07:40.26 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 07:40.39 | Gnea | cool, make-kpkg still works |
| 07:40.47 | liable | !annoy RvGaTe |
| 07:40.54 | liable | wah |
| 07:41.06 | cydork | !tell RvGate about repeat |
| 07:41.11 | liable | where did annoy go! |
| 07:41.28 | Gnea | liable: your mom stole it! |
| 07:41.37 | EdLin | liable: I think it's in the pants of lichtenstein with sour cream |
| 07:41.51 | fireba11 | ewww |
| 07:42.00 | liable | Gnea: i'll teach her! /me sends his "special" dirty washing to mom |
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| 07:42.20 | Gnea | :) |
| 07:42.31 | peterS | hmmm, so the first page of google hits for 'cabish' don't seem to explain the word at all, except to note that someone uses it and someone else corrects him saying it's "capiche" and someone else says no, it's really "capisci". |
| 07:43.08 | Gnea | google? what about wikipedia? |
| 07:43.25 | enouf | Ok -- I'm back -- anyone want to say something stupid?? -- otherwise I'l happily lurk until I think I may be able to help someone... |
| 07:43.26 | peterS | Gnea: wikipedia isn't a dictionary |
| 07:43.34 | peterS | Gnea: its job is not to explain the meaning of a random word |
| 07:43.53 | peterS | enouf: you weren't gone very long :( |
| 07:44.09 | enouf | peterS: is that ok with you ? |
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| 07:44.42 | peterS | enouf: it's pretty funny that _you_ of all people are asking if anyone wants to say anything stupid. but I digress. |
| 07:44.49 | liable | enouf: you have my permission to idle and help only occasionaly :P |
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| 07:44.56 | Gnea | peterS: hey, sometimes there's meaning to some of those random words. i can see quite plainly that there is no entry for that word. |
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| 07:45.30 | Gnea | enouf: i say stupid things all the time and no one cares :P |
| 07:46.02 | liable | Gnea: heh, you should see the list i have on you! oh yes, people care.. :P |
| 07:46.10 | enouf | peterS: if you actually digressed you would've shut your trap, and not made a silly comment -- Gnea -- I do to -- but not this time ;-) |
| 07:46.15 | elbixio | Shadur, have you used systemimager? |
| 07:46.24 | Gnea | liable: |
| 07:46.27 | Gnea | errr |
| 07:46.31 | Gnea | liable: sorry |
| 07:46.41 | EdLin | !troll enouf |
| 07:46.53 | RvGaTe | you guys still not done ? |
| 07:46.54 | RvGaTe | :S |
| 07:46.56 | Gnea | ~troll enouf |
| 07:46.57 | apt | ACTION hereby declares enouf a troll |
| 07:47.17 | liable | enouf: be quiet and this will pass, and we can all group hug later. |
| 07:48.42 | blondie | special cuddles! |
| 07:48.47 | peterS | yeah, sorry for the unsporting behavior, it's hardly fair to pick on people with the mental capacity of enouf |
| 07:50.00 | RvGaTe | funny to watch you guys, there are these (for me stupid) comments / notes about eachtother, just to have the final word... just drop it... please |
| 07:50.02 | liable | peterS: as an op, thats not particularly productive |
| 07:50.12 | peterS | liable: right, I'm apologising |
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| 07:50.32 | Gnea | !backports |
| 07:50.32 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 07:50.33 | streuner_ | enouf: why do you want to try to provoke him? |
| 07:50.40 | liable | peterS: i disagree, you were baiting him |
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| 07:50.42 | Gnea | c'mon guys, edit those config files! :P |
| 07:51.02 | SNow | hello everyone :) I wanna ask you some interesting info, how could I add an IP alias in debian? |
| 07:51.12 | peterS | liable: oh I wasn't apologising to _him_, I didn't mean that. |
| 07:51.19 | blondie | enouf: actually ubuntu does have a root account, just you don't know the password :P |
| 07:51.21 | Gnea | SNow: have you read the ip aliasing howto? |
| 07:51.23 | SNow | for example, I have bounded .11 on eth0 and I wan't to add more virtual hostnames? |
| 07:51.28 | SNow | gnea not yet, sorry |
| 07:51.29 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 07:51.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 07:51.36 | liable | peterS: ok |
| 07:51.36 | enouf | Ahh..seniority -- just like the Good-ol' Boys ...you southern american bigot bastards...Liable: I'm gone again b/c I'm misunderstood and nobody "important" cares -- that's life!...I'll be back later -- peterS, you are very ignorant and old enough to know it -- I will refrain from further comments b/cI fell it will not hurt the "old-tired-demented-dog" . but it's not proper behavior on this channel -- bye bye for now |
| 07:51.51 | peterS | hahahaha |
| 07:52.06 | RvGaTe | actually, i kinda agree with him |
| 07:52.10 | Gnea | SNow: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/IP-Alias.html |
| 07:52.11 | SNow | gnea where could I find it? |
| 07:52.23 | peterS | I wonder what it is I'm supposed to be ignorant of. the meaning of the word 'cabish', I suppose, and what language it's from, since he never did actually say. |
| 07:52.51 | peterS | almost makes a person think he doesn't know, as I asked him several times |
| 07:53.00 | Gnea | peterS: what i'm wondering is, why do you care? :P |
| 07:53.04 | SNow | gnea and how to do that through /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:53.25 | peterS | Gnea: he seemed to think it was dumb of me not to know the word, so now I'm trying to figure out if that's true |
| 07:53.30 | Gnea | SNow: easy, just add an entry for each alias as you would a regular interface |
| 07:53.41 | blondie | peterS: I'm sure you could read the Font of All Wisdom that is Wikipedia to find out :D |
| 07:53.55 | Dewi | why do people keep saying that? it's getting creepy |
| 07:54.02 | Gnea | peterS: i don't even know the word, and i think it's dumb to think that it's dumb for someone not to know it |
| 07:54.03 | peterS | blondie: yeah, it's not in there, and google was rather unhelpful |
| 07:54.07 | blondie | :O |
| 07:54.14 | SNow | gnea but the subnet mask should be .255 ? |
| 07:54.32 | peterS | google suggests it may be a misspelling of 'capisce' or 'capisci' (2 conjugations for the Italian word 'capire') |
| 07:54.35 | Gnea | SNow: that depends what range you're using |
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| 07:55.34 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.34 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.39 | Gnea | i bet he doesn't even know what the word dickfour means |
| 07:55.42 | newbcoder | is there documentation _anywhere_ on how to use the xen packages in debian testing to isntall xen? |
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| 07:55.52 | Gnea | SNow: ok, that looks right |
| 07:55.56 | SNow | auto eth0:1 |
| 07:55.56 | SNow | iface eth0:1 inet static |
| 07:55.56 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.08 | blondie | SNow: no pasting |
| 07:56.11 | Gnea | SNow: please don't paste here, use a paster |
| 07:56.12 | Gnea | !paster |
| 07:56.13 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:56.17 | newbcoder | is there documentation _anywhere_ on how to use the xen packages in debian testing to isntall xen? |
| 07:56.17 | SNow | sorry ! |
| 07:56.24 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 07:56.25 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 07:56.56 | SNow | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3303 |
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| 07:57.06 | SNow | gnea what should I write in the netmask |
| 07:57.13 | SNow | and do I need to define and gateway? |
| 07:57.24 | gimbal | anyone recall if there's been a project for making a portage kind of setup on debian? (I'm sure I've heard of there being one, but cannot recall a name to it offhand. can google on it, sure, but maybe someone here would know of it) |
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| 07:57.36 | Gnea | SNow: have you ever used the ipcalc command? |
| 07:57.54 | SNow | nop :) |
| 07:58.08 | Gnea | LMFAO |
| 07:58.29 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.29 | streuner_ | newbcoder: there is a channel about xen |
| 07:58.38 | blondie | newbcoder: if it's a sensible ignore, it won't work just on nick :) |
| 07:58.47 | newbcoder | ah; thanks; |
| 07:58.47 | blondie | Gnea: but obviously not in your case? ;) |
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| 07:59.01 | SNow | gnea what can I do? |
| 07:59.11 | SNow | add netmask .0 |
| 07:59.13 | SNow | and that's all ? |
| 07:59.21 | Gnea | ah, a stanford student, no big loss |
| 07:59.29 | SNow | I don't need to define gateway right? |
| 07:59.33 | Gnea | SNow: apt-get install ipcalc |
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| 07:59.53 | streuner_ | Gnea: so all students there have there own hostmask? |
| 08:00.08 | streuner_ | and asking for xen... |
| 08:00.14 | streuner_ | interessting :-) |
| 08:00.31 | Gnea | streuner_: no, all students there have parents that are rich enough to put their kids through it |
| 08:00.50 | blondie | streuner_: well, if they're living on the campus I'd expect them to have their own hostname |
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| 08:01.13 | blondie | though maybe not one they chose :o |
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| 08:01.33 | Gnea | heh. |
| 08:02.08 | newbcoder | hey if no one minds telling Gnea -- I apologize about the stupid repeat :-) |
| 08:02.19 | newbcoder | !paste |
| 08:02.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 08:02.58 | peterS | newbcoder: I wouldn't worry about it, people who use /ignore that fast aren't, in my opinion, worth making special efforts to communicate with |
| 08:03.04 | Gnea | SNow: then use it like this: ipcalc 85.255.108.136 255.255.255.0 |
| 08:03.25 | Gnea | SNow: it will show you what you need to fill in the blanks with |
| 08:03.42 | streuner_ | newbcoder: are you student? |
| 08:03.46 | SNow | is IP and subnet mask not enough? |
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| 08:04.20 | newbcoder | streuner_, nah; I'm just that janitor dude; kinda like in good will hunting; except I'm not smart |
| 08:04.24 | Gnea | SNow: no, you need to enter everything, or else they're worthless |
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| 08:04.59 | streuner_ | newbcoder: janitor dude? |
| 08:05.36 | Gnea | !xen |
| 08:05.37 | dpkg | i heard xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 08:05.38 | streuner_ | newbcoder: keep in mind, my native language is german ;-) |
| 08:05.44 | blondie | Gnea: well, my interfaces file has only address and netmask specified for eth0 and 1 :) |
| 08:05.51 | SNow | gnea why do I need that? |
| 08:05.57 | blondie | janitor is like caretaker or cleaner |
| 08:06.01 | newbcoder | streuner_, ah; did you watch good will hunting? |
| 08:06.11 | streuner_ | no |
| 08:06.25 | blondie | Good Newb Hunting |
| 08:06.35 | newbcoder | so it's this good fictionaly movie; kind of related to the life of Ramauanajan the mathematician |
| 08:06.50 | newbcoder | but anyway, this harvard math prof presents this really hard math problem |
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| 08:07.05 | newbcoder | and this janitor dude comes along and solves it; and he's just naturally taltend with math |
| 08:07.12 | newbcoder | and the story is about his sturggles, etc ... |
| 08:07.16 | Gnea | peterS: who's not worth talking to whom about what? :P |
| 08:07.27 | SNow | gnea http://channels.debian.net/paste/3305 |
| 08:07.30 | SNow | is it ok now? |
| 08:07.31 | cydork | newbcoder: so what are you tryin to say?? that you are smart :P |
| 08:07.37 | newbcoder | no; that I'm not ssmart |
| 08:07.49 | newbcoder | I said like the janitor; except I'm not smart; gah gah gah; this joke so back fired |
| 08:08.05 | blondie | newbcoder: you're not smart... does that mean you're scruffy? |
| 08:08.06 | peterS | Gnea: newbcoder wanted to tell you something so he wanted someone else to tell you since he couldn't. you saw my response. |
| 08:08.07 | ax7 | sup |
| 08:08.13 | Gnea | SNow: that looks good - just repeat the same info for the alias, but don't put a gateway or dns entries |
| 08:08.23 | SNow | gnea ok |
| 08:08.41 | Gnea | peterS: i'm not blind, i read the whole thing. thanks tho |
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| 08:09.03 | streuner_ | peterS: hehe :-) |
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| 08:09.49 | SNow | gnea done, will it be ok? |
| 08:09.58 | Gnea | SNow: should be, paste it again? |
| 08:10.15 | muhoo | man i love debian. i've got an ancient sparc32 (uptime 482 days), running woody, and was getting all sorts of stupid errors. |
| 08:10.25 | muhoo | come to find out, i had "stable" not "woody" in my sources.list. doh! |
| 08:10.35 | peterS | muhoo: hehe |
| 08:10.46 | muhoo | i changed it to "woody", did an apt-get installl -f, and an apt-get upgrade, and yay, all is well |
| 08:10.46 | cydork | muhoo: shit happens !! :P |
| 08:10.47 | Gnea | i should boot my sparc back up one of these days |
| 08:10.55 | SNow | Gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3306 the thing is that my ISP checks macs, and now I can't check does it work or not while it doesn't rewrite the MAC |
| 08:11.30 | Gnea | SNow: heh, are you trying to snarf extra ip's without your isp detecting it? |
| 08:11.36 | muhoo | it's a sparcstation 4, IIRC. i haven't seen this thing in 2 years. |
| 08:12.06 | SNow | Gnea now, I'm going to call them, but I don't want to be an idiot, when they say that there is a problem in my side |
| 08:12.24 | Gnea | SNow: well, since it's an alias, it's going to have the same mac |
| 08:13.25 | raf256 | which irc client is the most secure? |
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| 08:13.30 | Gnea | ok, time to try this new kernel |
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| 08:14.06 | pstickne | raf256, I've yet to be exploited with X-Chat 2.4.1 Then again, I don't think that anybody has tried ... and it's running under a normal user account so *shrug* |
| 08:14.07 | peterS | raf256: the one you run from some account that doesn't own any valuable data (: seriously, nobody really knows, except historically it hasn't been mirc or bitchx |
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| 08:14.13 | raf256 | pool-like: did someone succeed in installing drivers for i810/i915 in debian testing? (xorg 7.0) |
| 08:14.26 | goober | how do i apt-get remove package and everything related to it? |
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| 08:14.46 | peterS | goober: you use 'aptitude install' and 'aptitude remove' instead of apt-get, every time, and it all happens automatically |
| 08:15.31 | peterS | goober: since aptitude keeps track of whether you installed something by request, or whether it just got installed as a dependency, and removes packages automatically which were "just dependencies" when they're no longer needed |
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| 08:15.55 | raf256 | peterS: it does work same way with apt-get? |
| 08:16.14 | peterS | raf256: no. there's a _reason_ I said to use aptitude "instead of apt-get". |
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| 08:16.54 | raf256 | aptitude install foo bar works otherwise same as apt-get install foo bar? I can still use apt-get update, it works on same data base (local files) as aptitude? |
| 08:17.01 | raf256 | what about syntaptic |
| 08:17.02 | peterS | correct |
| 08:17.22 | peterS | I don't know about synaptic, I don't like to run graphical apps as root and last time I looked at it it was kind of hard to use |
| 08:17.30 | raf256 | so I should use apt-cache apt-get update but aptitute install patitute upgrade... hmm |
| 08:17.31 | pstickne | peterS, doh, wish I'd know that :( |
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| 08:17.39 | raf256 | so why apt-get install works in such broken way then? |
| 08:17.52 | liable | raf256: synaptic uses apt-get as a back end |
| 08:18.04 | wassim | hello every body |
| 08:18.15 | peterS | raf256: because apt-get was never intended to be a full-featured client tool, it was really a demo for the apt library. but since aptitude and other tools took a long time to get written, people _did_ get in the habit of using apt-get. |
| 08:18.18 | Gnea | raf256: the irc client is as secure as you make it. if dcc is turned on as autoget by default, it's got a crappy security policy. but that's configurable. |
| 08:18.19 | raf256 | liable: damn. it seems apt-get install is broken then? why not fix it to store information same as aptitude does (and best share it) |
| 08:18.24 | wassim | i have problems with gnome-ppp |
| 08:18.31 | wassim | can any one help me? |
| 08:18.38 | Gnea | !ask |
| 08:18.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:18.40 | peterS | raf256: better just to tell people to use aptitude. which is exactly what the debian project has been doing. |
| 08:18.51 | raf256 | peterS: hmm ok] |
| 08:19.04 | Gnea | wassim: please follow the above instructions that dpkg spelled forth, we can help you better then |
| 08:19.05 | liable | raf256: why not use aptitude? it works on the cli exactly the same, adding a few features and losing one or two than apt-cahe |
| 08:19.10 | peterS | raf256: aptitude takes a lot more memory and CPU, so there are times you want to skip the overhead and use apt-get. but in my opinion, this memory/CPU overhead is the only real reason to keep apt-get around. |
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| 08:19.42 | raf256 | peterS: perhaps adding such feature to apt-get would be nice? and even better sharing that information with aptitude |
| 08:19.43 | peterS | raf256: note also that 'aptitude search' is like a smarter (but much slower) 'apt-cache search'. aptitude search can use a much more sophisticated pattern matching language |
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| 08:20.05 | peterS | I myself usually say 'apt-cache search' because I don't like waiting those extra few seconds |
| 08:20.29 | wassim | i'm running debian sarge, and i can't connect to my modem using gnome-ppp |
| 08:20.37 | peterS | also, I take that back, what I said earlier about having little reason to keep apt-get around. apt-get still has a few features aptitude does not, like the 'build-dep' subcommand. |
| 08:21.04 | wassim | how to configure gnome-ppp to connect to my modem |
| 08:21.11 | goober | peterS: my problem is i've installed mysql-server and i'm getting a socket error, i believe i know why this is the case. I would now like to remove everything related to mysql-server including all the config files and reinstall it properly |
| 08:21.32 | goober | how do you propose i use aptitude to do this? |
| 08:21.53 | goober | because, aptitude remove package_name doesn't remove all conf's and files. |
| 08:22.10 | liable | --purge |
| 08:22.16 | goober | purge. |
| 08:22.18 | goober | love it. |
| 08:22.19 | goober | thankyou |
| 08:22.22 | liable | even still, you will be left with configs |
| 08:22.25 | peterS | goober: that is why aptitude has a 'purge' command as well as a 'remove' command |
| 08:22.29 | liable | occasionaly |
| 08:22.41 | goober | peterS: could you give me an example runline |
| 08:22.48 | peterS | goober: but if you didn't use aptitude to _install_ mysql-server, you can't use it to automatically remove all its dependencies. except by running aptitude interactively and marking all the dependent packages as auto-installed. |
| 08:22.59 | goober | aptitude remove package_name --purge? |
| 08:23.09 | peterS | aptitude purge mysql-whatever |
| 08:23.20 | Gnea | wassim: what modem do you have? |
| 08:23.30 | peterS | removal of dependent packages won't use the purge mode, however, even if you've set up auto-install flags for all of them. |
| 08:23.36 | goober | peterS: what's the point in haveing a purge and remove option? |
| 08:23.45 | goober | nm stupid quetsion. |
| 08:24.35 | peterS | normally you don't want to purge config files. so that it's easy to change your mind about whether to have some software installed, and you won't have to do any reconfiguration next time. |
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| 08:24.58 | goober | peterS: totally understandable, thankyou for the explenation. |
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| 08:25.02 | peterS | np |
| 08:25.12 | wassim | Gnea: VIA technologies, inc intel 537 [AC97 Modem] |
| 08:25.22 | ciphr | i installed a new kernel...now i feel like my hdd works slower...is this possible? |
| 08:25.37 | Gnea | wassim: ok... is that on a laptop or something? |
| 08:25.55 | peterS | that's more or less a winmodem, isn't it? |
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| 08:26.12 | goober | oh, my. |
| 08:26.22 | goober | I still get the same bloody mysqld.sock error. |
| 08:26.25 | liable | wassim: go and get scanmodem, run it, and read its output, or if you are not sure, ask on linmodems.org |
| 08:26.35 | Gnea | peterS: i'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet |
| 08:26.35 | goober | this has previously been an issue almost 2 years ago now. |
| 08:26.43 | goober | however i've forgotten the resolution. |
| 08:26.45 | wassim | Gnea: yes it's a laptop |
| 08:26.57 | peterS | you can get audio input/output using the snd_intel8x0m ALSA driver, probably, but for full modem functionality ... who knows. you can check linmodems.org as Gnea says. |
| 08:27.09 | Gnea | wassim: try what liable said, it might just work if you have the ALSA drivers installed |
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| 08:27.52 | wassim | liable: how to get scanmodem |
| 08:28.19 | liable | wassim: http://www.linmodems.org/ |
| 08:28.58 | peterS | oh, sorry, not snd_intel8x0m, but snd_via82xx_modem |
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| 08:29.10 | peterS | I was confused about which vendors used intel-compatible sound/modem chips |
| 08:29.14 | liable | wassim: make sure you read the instructions, read the output files, if you still have doubts, ask here if it gives good output, or the mailing list if its ambiguous |
| 08:29.25 | Gnea | sl-modem-deamon && sl-modem-source? |
| 08:30.07 | liable | i would reckon prolly the daemon would do. but he may need the slamr module, thats wats scanmodem is good for.. :) |
| 08:30.17 | Gnea | wassim: yeah, try apt-get install sl-modem-daemon |
| 08:30.36 | Gnea | liable: probably, it seems to work fine on this laptop :) |
| 08:30.58 | Gnea | tho i haven't tried actually dialing anything up, i haven't had a landline in over a year now ;) |
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| 08:31.24 | liable | Gnea: yup, buts theres lots of different chips out there. the scanmodem package is usually very good at narrowing it down |
| 08:31.34 | Gnea | liable: good point |
| 08:32.06 | liable | and the list has a couple of really good helpers on it too |
| 08:32.30 | Gnea | i need to get the proper cable for my phone, the one i got before was pure crap |
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| 08:34.39 | Gnea | what i'd really like is one of those fujitsu touchscreen tablets and plug a pcmcia into it |
| 08:34.57 | Gnea | perfect for road trips :) |
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| 08:35.39 | McGee | Hi, is there a way to see if a kernel module was loaded with options? |
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| 08:38.12 | MindCr | McGee, lsmod |
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| 08:38.29 | MindCr | or: lsmod | grep MODULENAME |
| 08:38.56 | liable | MindCr: that doesnt show options from when it was loaded though |
| 08:39.12 | Gnea | something like that: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&item=230009014420 |
| 08:40.51 | McGee | MindCr, IMHO lsmod does not show the options... |
| 08:42.04 | MindCr | i don't know :s |
| 08:42.29 | liable | MindCr: i guess the best bet is from your modprobe files |
| 08:42.38 | liable | McGee: ^^ |
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| 08:44.06 | McGee | liable, Yes but it seems like theres no way to check if configuration was realy used... |
| 08:44.13 | liable | though /proc must have it somewhere |
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| 08:53.04 | liable | hrm, or sys, good point, I am trying to find my wireless drivers module params, and i am buggered if i can.. |
| 08:53.10 | earthling | debian keeps wanting to configure my firewire as eth0 and my firewire card has nothing to do with my network. Had to completely remove the card to get debian to see nic as eth0. How can I solve this without removing that card? |
| 08:54.18 | fireba11 | earthling: you can force eth numbers if you want |
| 08:54.33 | liable | earthling: ifrename might help |
| 08:54.49 | fireba11 | earthling: question is why does it make any difference what eth number the NIC got ? |
| 08:54.57 | earthling | i have a feeling it's a udev issue but not sure.. |
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| 08:56.01 | earthling | why would debian want to call a firewire card a nic in the first place? that's the issue i have with this whole thing. it's an io port like a com or lpt port.. |
| 08:56.28 | liable | earthling: you will find windows does the same |
| 08:56.29 | blondie | earthling: you can use it as one by linking two firewire cards with a normal cable |
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| 08:57.26 | blondie | ah |
| 08:57.35 | Chronis_X | whats the smallest version of debian I can install and still hope to get any help with here? |
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| 08:57.47 | blondie | erm |
| 08:57.51 | blondie | tard |
| 08:58.00 | blondie | the answer is to put blacklist eth1394 |
| 08:58.03 | fireba11 | Chronis_X: small in small to download or in small after installation ? |
| 08:58.09 | blondie | in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 08:58.13 | Chronis_X | installation ) |
| 08:58.15 | blondie | ah well |
| 08:58.24 | Gnea | Chronis_X: well it has to be the 'real' debian, not some based-off-debian variant |
| 08:58.40 | Chronis_X | Gnea and that comes in only 1 size i guess? |
| 08:58.51 | Chronis_X | XL |
| 08:58.55 | goober | ok seriously i'm about to fcuk mysql for good. |
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| 08:59.10 | goober | has anyone fixed this mysqld.sock error |
| 08:59.10 | Gnea | Chronis_X: oh there are plenty of sizes, it just depends how far you wanna run with it |
| 08:59.12 | goober | ? |
| 08:59.39 | Chronis_X | hm interesting |
| 08:59.40 | Gnea | there's an error? |
| 08:59.48 | nextgens | hi |
| 08:59.52 | pstickne | The deb net install was a breeze. |
| 08:59.57 | fireba11 | Chronis_X the smalles without messing with it would be netinstall without additional packages i think |
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| 09:00.10 | Gnea | Chronis_X: yes, netinstall is your best bet |
| 09:00.22 | liable | Chronis_X: debian is debian, ubuntu, dsl, knoppix, kanotix etc, are not |
| 09:00.37 | Gnea | !based-on-debian |
| 09:00.39 | Chronis_X | hmm ok net install ill try to work that angle |
| 09:00.43 | nextgens | I've got a problem; I've upgraded from sarge to etch and I can't figure out why my xorg configuration file doesn't work |
| 09:00.55 | Gnea | ~based-on-debian |
| 09:00.57 | nextgens | I've installed xorg properly, it starts |
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| 09:01.14 | nextgens | but only if my second monitor is unpluged (I'm on a laptop) |
| 09:01.18 | liable | Gnea: lose the -'s |
| 09:01.25 | Gnea | omfg |
| 09:01.29 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 09:01.29 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:01.38 | Gnea | liable: and i came up with that too :P |
| 09:01.39 | nextgens | there is no error message in /var/log/xorg.log |
| 09:01.41 | Gnea | need sleep |
| 09:01.51 | liable | heh |
| 09:02.07 | nextgens | only warnings about font-path, but it shouldn't matter |
| 09:02.26 | Gnea | !xorg7 |
| 09:02.26 | dpkg | Find some solutions at http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 in order to fix problems from 6.9 to 7 |
| 09:03.01 | nextgens | well, it's more from xfree to xorg ^-^ |
| 09:03.06 | nextgens | I'll read the wiki :) |
| 09:03.06 | pstickne | I didn't have any problem with the upgrade ... well, except the fact that I lost GNOME in the process ;) |
| 09:03.40 | Gnea | pstickne: that's a problem? ;) |
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| 09:04.37 | Chronis_X | i heart cmatrix |
| 09:05.09 | pstickne | "Since everything under /usr/X11R6 has been moved out," <-- if I move X11R6, X won't start :x |
| 09:05.18 | pstickne | Although I'm using the new X server. |
| 09:05.44 | pstickne | Gnea, just like, wtf, where did gnome go? |
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| 09:06.18 | pstickne | Gnea, I am/was using KDE in slack but gnome seems more light-weight. Also I need to get kded running so that I can use kopete :) |
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| 09:07.00 | Gnea | pstickne: they're both hogs, but whatever suits you |
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| 09:08.10 | liable | pstickne: /usr/share/doc/x11-common/ |
| 09:08.27 | Gnea | to bid or not to bid.... http://tinyurl.com/frlvf |
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| 09:08.39 | Gnea | it is bedtime |
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| 09:10.26 | LinuMeDs | hi! any suggestions if I want to install debian running virtual servers... either Xen or vserver? I want to run debian stable... needs to be as sable as possible |
| 09:10.39 | LinuMeDs | thanks! |
| 09:11.00 | azeem | LinuMeDs: I don't think there is out-of-the-box support for either on stable |
| 09:11.14 | azeem | you will have to recompile/get a proper kernel and the tools |
| 09:11.23 | azeem | (but I never tried any virtualizing myself) |
| 09:12.19 | nextgens | in fact X starts ... but only one monitor displays something |
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| 09:12.38 | nextgens | whereas if I start X with only one monitor, then plug the other one, it works |
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| 09:12.52 | nextgens | :| |
| 09:13.02 | nextgens | it was working better with xfree ^-^ |
| 09:13.21 | LinuMeDs | is there any way of keeping debian stable with virtual servers, or none? |
| 09:13.33 | znoruk | something is wrong with KWifiManager. it is reported non-encrypted network as being encrypted. anyone here using it? |
| 09:13.45 | moshii | nextgens: DDC issue maybe? |
| 09:13.56 | nextgens | probably |
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| 09:15.08 | moshii | nextgens try disabling the detection in your xorg.conf |
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| 09:15.51 | nextgens | I've got dbe and ddc disabled (not loaded) |
| 09:15.51 | nextgens | but it's the same |
| 09:15.52 | nextgens | and no error in the logs |
| 09:16.19 | nextgens | but xinerama does work, I have two screens ... but one remains black |
| 09:16.21 | moshii | nextgens what sort of card are you using? |
| 09:16.31 | nextgens | an ati card with the free driver |
| 09:16.47 | nextgens | I can provide my xorg.conf if it helps |
| 09:16.51 | znoruk | nobody here uses KWiFiManager? |
| 09:16.52 | nextgens | and the log |
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| 09:17.05 | moshii | nextgens hmm I don't know much about the ati cards |
| 09:18.55 | ryty | nextgens: what's the log say (part with EE in front of it) |
| 09:19.12 | ryty | don't paste if more than 2 lines |
| 09:20.12 | nextgens | there is no error |
| 09:20.34 | nextgens | some complains about the font path |
| 09:20.42 | nextgens | but that's normal |
| 09:20.46 | ryty | ok..irrelevant, continue |
| 09:21.37 | nextgens | (WW) RADEON(0): Direct Rendering Disabled -- Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI at present. |
| 09:21.43 | nextgens | (WW) RADEON(0): Failed to detect secondary monitor, MergedFB/Clone mode disabled |
| 09:21.48 | ryty | bingo |
| 09:21.54 | nextgens | whereas I haven't the DRI module loaded |
| 09:22.13 | ryty | you're using radeon |
| 09:22.32 | ryty | radeon..in the kernel..is DRI. |
| 09:22.46 | nextgens | ah ok |
| 09:23.06 | liable | !moo |
| 09:23.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 09:23.25 | ryty | apt-get moo |
| 09:23.30 | liable | sorry, i just enabled the cow screensaver.. couldnt hep it.. its a hoot! |
| 09:23.51 | ryty | oh |
| 09:23.55 | liable | well, makes me giggle |
| 09:24.15 | liable | cows on tramampalines! |
| 09:25.01 | liable | ryty: if you dont know, type it in a term |
| 09:25.09 | nextgens | so my easiest choice is to disable it in the kernel |
| 09:25.12 | nextgens | thanks ryty |
| 09:25.12 | liable | not in irc |
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| 09:26.55 | ryty | nextgens: modify your xorg.conf, and make sure not to use radeon |
| 09:27.09 | ryty | use fglrx, or whichever driver you're supposed to be using |
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| 09:28.34 | tenzing_ | i cant install any new software on my debian because of all these dependency issues even after doing apt-get update... help |
| 09:28.40 | nextgens | well, I think radeon is the best for my hardware |
| 09:28.53 | nextgens | I don't want to use the proprietary fglrx module |
| 09:29.03 | nextgens | and I need software-suspend to work |
| 09:29.04 | linlin | what would i do if i wanted to stop all traffic coming from an ip address from reaching my machine |
| 09:29.07 | linlin | with iptables |
| 09:29.28 | ryty | ok..google for linux radeon MergedFB |
| 09:29.42 | nextgens | that's what I'm using |
| 09:30.00 | ryty | it'll show you how to make it work, though |
| 09:30.06 | nextgens | ok |
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| 09:33.04 | nextgens | ah ok, I'm missing MetaModes |
| 09:33.14 | nextgens | it didn't exist on xfree iirc |
| 09:33.46 | b_52Free | is any one running djbdns ? |
| 09:34.01 | nextgens | I do |
| 09:34.26 | b_52Free | can i ask you about dnscache ? |
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| 09:34.54 | nextgens | yes, I'm not sure I will be able to answer though |
| 09:35.15 | b_52Free | nextgens, no problem :) |
| 09:35.37 | b_52Free | should dnscache run just over the loopback address ? |
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| 09:36.00 | nextgens | it depends on what you want to do |
| 09:36.02 | shafire | hello |
| 09:36.09 | ryty | howdy |
| 09:36.09 | shafire | i need debian sid repos |
| 09:36.15 | shafire | where can i find them? :o( |
| 09:36.17 | nextgens | I run tinydns on the loopback and dnscache on the external if |
| 09:36.20 | ryty | I need a good lay. |
| 09:36.33 | ryty | shafire: debian.org |
| 09:36.40 | ryty | look around, you'll find them |
| 09:36.43 | b_52Free | i zant to run dnscache to use a mail server |
| 09:36.53 | Si_tech | shafire /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:37.00 | ryty | lol |
| 09:37.15 | shafire | jaja |
| 09:37.18 | shafire | tanks |
| 09:37.23 | Si_tech | np |
| 09:37.55 | nextgens | b_52Free: sure, then run it only on your loopback address |
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| 09:38.20 | ryty | gnight everyone |
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| 09:39.18 | b_52Free | nextgens, dnscache |
| 09:39.19 | b_52Free | dnscache: fatal: $IP not set |
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| 09:40.19 | nextgens | you have to edit the ip address in the /dnscache/env/ip file iirc |
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| 09:41.35 | jbrimble | Whats the difference between Debian and Ubuntu, other than Ubuntu's ease of use? |
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| 09:42.45 | b_52Free | nextgens, cat /etc/dnscache/env/IP |
| 09:42.46 | b_52Free | 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:42.47 | dnkidjit | jbrimble: i think ubuntu continually rebuilds every 6 months off the latest debian |
| 09:42.55 | M4DM4X | hi all ! |
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| 09:43.34 | M4DM4X | i'm looking for the command who permit me to reconfigure my network interface (IP, netmasq, dns...) |
| 09:43.48 | nextgens | b_52Free: weird, I dunno then :$ |
| 09:44.16 | b_52Free | nextgens, :) no problem thanks anyway |
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| 09:44.57 | liable | M4DM4X: ifconfig, if you want it for bootup /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 09:45.10 | raz0 | jbrimble, It's says so on the Ubuntu website. |
| 09:45.21 | pstickne | what is a good wmv player for deb? |
| 09:45.32 | pstickne | I couldn't find mplayer in apt-cache. |
| 09:45.53 | raz0 | pstickne, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 09:45.56 | M4DM4X | thx |
| 09:46.38 | pstickne | raz0, thanks |
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| 09:47.23 | blondie | M4DM4X: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:47.38 | pstickne | kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, # hehe |
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| 09:47.52 | M4DM4X | ok i find for dns /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:47.52 | wwAddict | hi all |
| 09:48.13 | pstickne | well, this is fun, my magic cookie is trashed O.o |
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| 09:53.01 | myki | Hi. What should I download to use svn? |
| 09:53.15 | myki | I can't find svn through apt |
| 09:53.32 | azeem | myki: subversion is the package name |
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| 09:54.02 | myki | azeem: ok, thx |
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| 09:55.50 | xored | how to limit the pop account size of a user ? only quota ? |
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| 09:56.35 | wwAddict | Sbody knows how to fix a SBawe64PNP wich loads, works fine two min, then mute (krnl seems 2b ok 2.4.27-3-k6+alsa+mod) ? |
| 09:57.36 | DragonD | i'm having a problem with perl which needs me to install locales which has a problem because it requires glibc-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 which is provided by: libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 but i have 2.3.6-7 so why can't i install locales? |
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| 10:00.11 | liable | DragonD: you have mixed sarge and testing, thats why you have a problem |
| 10:03.17 | DragonD | liable: umm no i didn't my hosting company did. i just got this server i haven't done anything to it... so how do i fix the problem? |
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| 10:04.44 | liable | DragonD: well, you have etches libc6, so you really have to either totally upgrade to etch, or re-install sarge. if you think you would like to downgrade libc6, then by all means go ahead. |
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| 10:05.34 | DragonD | liable: how reliable is etch for a server? |
| 10:05.37 | liable | DragonD: i would ask your hosting company to fix it |
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| 10:05.56 | liable | DragonD: i wouldnt do it just yet, it hasnt even frozen yet |
| 10:06.10 | DragonD | frozen? |
| 10:06.32 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 10:06.40 | liable | DragonD: its testing, soon they will freeze packages. ie, they wont be upgraded to higher versions |
| 10:07.15 | DragonD | when will they freeze the packages? |
| 10:07.23 | cydork | DragonD: in dec i guess. |
| 10:07.24 | liable | !wwer |
| 10:07.25 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00005.html |
| 10:07.30 | LinuMeDs | I am reading about installing Xen using debian backports... anyway, all examples I see use Grub as a boot loader instead of Lilo (which I have installed) any reason for that? |
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| 10:08.02 | cydork | LinuMeDs: Grub is better !! :P |
| 10:08.15 | LinuMeDs | :) |
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| 10:08.43 | liable | theres nothing wrong with lilo |
| 10:09.13 | liable | LinuMeDs: i doubt there is a reason that you couldnt use lilo if ts just a kernel config line |
| 10:09.27 | azeem | LinuMeDs: GRUB is the de-facto standard bootloader these days, that's all I guess |
| 10:10.07 | Guerin | grub is better than lilo in all but a very small number of cases |
| 10:10.11 | LinuMeDs | just got an answer in another chan: xen hypervisor is a mutiboot kernel that lilo dosn't support booting |
| 10:10.31 | azeem | LinuMeDs: oh cool, didn't know that |
| 10:10.33 | liable | Guerin: i had one of those cases, but even still, theres nothing wrong with lilo |
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| 10:10.47 | Guerin | yeah, lilo is ok |
| 10:10.51 | Guerin | it's just not GRAND |
| 10:10.55 | liable | hah |
| 10:10.58 | cydork | liable: there is nothing wrong with lilo, but grub is better!! |
| 10:11.31 | liable | cydork: depends, grub was not cooperating on my other box, so, in that case lilo was better... |
| 10:11.47 | wdamn | Hi, I'm upgrading part of my server to testing - apt wants to remove base-config: it can be a problem? |
| 10:11.55 | Guerin | anyone done a sarge floppy install? |
| 10:12.17 | azeem | wdamn: base-config is no longer needed/existant in etch |
| 10:12.18 | Fox | wdamn: no |
| 10:12.18 | liable | booted from em, never actually installed |
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| 10:12.26 | Guerin | i insert boot.img, it boots to splash screen, hit enter, and I get"this is not a bootable disk. please insert a bootable floppy and press any key to try again |
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| 10:12.48 | cydork | liable: what was the problem?? |
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| 10:12.52 | wdamn | azeem, Fox : thanx |
| 10:13.38 | DragonD | omg they installed 4 diff kernals |
| 10:13.48 | liable | cydork: grub sucked? :P but seriously, some weird bios problem, where grub would hang for an unacceptable amount of time, and lilo would boot within a reasonable amount of time. |
| 10:14.29 | liable | !seen jm_ |
| 10:14.30 | dpkg | jm_ <flier@mindwipe.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 37m 21s ago, saying: 'yes, many people know'. |
| 10:14.55 | DragonD | how do i go about downgrading libc? |
| 10:15.02 | liable | hrm, that must be from oftc?? |
| 10:15.25 | azeem | no, he was on *this minute* on oftc |
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| 10:15.42 | liable | k |
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| 10:15.50 | azeem | or the seen stuff is cronned, dunno |
| 10:16.01 | Far^Side | why can't I find webmin in Sid? |
| 10:16.10 | liable | its been canned |
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| 10:16.19 | liable | kaput |
| 10:16.23 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 10:16.23 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 10:16.36 | Guerin | read that mailing list post on the end |
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| 10:16.47 | Far^Side | Guerin, ok |
| 10:16.58 | Guerin | the debian maintainer decided it was too shit to package and discontinued it |
| 10:17.23 | PBawe64pnp | how to fix a SBawe64PNP wich loads, works fine two min, then mute (kernel seems 2b ok, 2.4.27-3-k6+alsa+alsa k6 kmod) ? |
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| 10:19.46 | brownie17 | does anyone know of a program that can convert WMA's to MP3's? |
| 10:21.24 | Guerin | brownie17: you have to rip the wma back to wave and re-encode |
| 10:21.33 | Guerin | you lose quality, but it's the only way |
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| 10:22.10 | brownie17 | Guerin, sure okay, any program that can do both? |
| 10:22.17 | nextgens | :'( |
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| 10:22.26 | nextgens | it's a known bug it seems |
| 10:22.45 | nextgens | I won't be able to solve it :( |
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| 10:24.10 | Guerin | brownie17: no. you need a wma decoder, an mp3 encoder and a for loop |
| 10:24.26 | Guerin | there *might* be something which can chain them all, but I don't know |
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| 10:26.36 | harmeny | in the html source of a page, is there any way to tell the browser to use the mouse wheel for horizontal scroll rather than vertical (which is disabled)? |
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| 10:27.32 | Guerin | that would be a question for #web |
| 10:27.58 | harmeny | Guerin: they won't answer :(( |
| 10:28.05 | dondelelcaro | and asking that question in multiple unrelated channels is not useful, either. |
| 10:28.27 | dondelelcaro | if no one answers, no one knows. |
| 10:28.40 | Fox | or everyone sleeps |
| 10:28.53 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hey, to install sarge from floppy, i boot with boot.img, right? |
| 10:29.06 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, you'll need root.img too |
| 10:29.18 | dondelelcaro | (or however many disks it is now) |
| 10:29.19 | myki | Hi. When I try to run mplayer with -vo fbdev, it says: 'Can't open /dev/fb0: No such device'. Since I'm using udev I made #MAKEDEV fb0, and ln -s /dev/.static/dev/fb0 /dev/fb0 but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 10:29.29 | Guerin | i insert boot.img, it boots to splash screen, hit enter, and I get"this is not a bootable disk. please insert a bootable floppy and press any key to try again |
| 10:29.46 | liable | myki: didnt try loading a framebuffer module? |
| 10:29.57 | azeem_ | Guerin: bad disk, maybe |
| 10:30.03 | myki | liable: I'm all at sea with it. |
| 10:30.14 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hrm... well, it definetly booted off the disk if you got syslinux going |
| 10:30.15 | Guerin | azeem_: two separate disks ... though neither are known good |
| 10:30.15 | myki | liable: how should I do that? |
| 10:30.16 | Shadur | myki: No such device means that while the file exists, the device it points at doesn't. |
| 10:30.27 | Guerin | yeah, it definitely is booteing the floppy |
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| 10:30.36 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: are these 2.88 images or 1.44 images? |
| 10:30.42 | Guerin | 1.44 |
| 10:30.54 | myki | Shadur: so how should I 'make' that device? |
| 10:31.07 | Guerin | this damn creative 1x cdrom won't boot cd |
| 10:31.16 | Guerin | or the bios on the 486 won't |
| 10:31.19 | Guerin | one or the other |
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| 10:32.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, the only thing I can think of is to check the md5sum of the floppy.. |
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| 10:32.54 | Guerin | hm, yeh |
| 10:33.04 | dondelelcaro | (and wait the requisite 10 minutes for that to happen. ;-)) |
| 10:33.16 | Guerin | i might just take the drive in to a mate's place tomorrow and get a filesystem put on it |
| 10:33.19 | myki | How do I load fb kernel module? |
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| 10:33.26 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, probably simpler |
| 10:33.33 | dondelelcaro | good luck |
| 10:33.49 | Guerin | already did it once |
| 10:34.02 | Guerin | and the damn seagate large disk overlay wouldn't let me boot |
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| 10:35.13 | Guerin | 1990s technology, gotta love it |
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| 10:36.17 | liable | myki: try 'modprobe vseafb' |
| 10:36.28 | liable | *vesafb* |
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| 10:37.49 | myki | liable: FATAL: Module vesafb not found. |
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| 10:39.20 | liable | myki: have you compiled your own kernel? |
| 10:39.39 | myki | myki: ok, modprobe -l | grep fb helped me |
| 10:39.55 | myki | liable: now yet on this box, I'm up to. |
| 10:40.35 | liable | myki: well, debian kernels have it |
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| 10:41.31 | chikky | I'm having problems with xfce4. Apparently I don't have xfce4-menueditor and I can't find it with apt-get. |
| 10:42.29 | liable | chikky: if you use sid, its prolly broken |
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| 10:42.50 | chikky | liable: sid? |
| 10:43.06 | liable | chikky: unstable? |
| 10:43.36 | chikky | I have no idea how apt-get works actually. I just did "apt-get install xfce4" |
| 10:43.57 | chikky | I'm running it but I can't run the menueditor. |
| 10:44.07 | liable | chikky: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 10:44.37 | chikky | | Estado=No/Instalado/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 10:45.00 | harmeny | Fox: they shouldn't be sleeping.. they talk to one another |
| 10:45.05 | chikky | That's the problem? |
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| 10:45.51 | harmeny | chikky: no, i just wanted to make it clear |
| 10:46.36 | chikky | how do I fix it? |
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| 10:53.15 | harmeny | is there any way to tell the browser to use the mouse wheel for horizontal scroll rather than vertical (which is disabled)? |
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| 10:56.05 | pstickne | how can I keep aptitude from trying to remove all my packages? |
| 10:56.19 | harmeny | pstickne: lock 'em all |
| 10:56.33 | pstickne | for each one? :( |
| 10:56.40 | pstickne | harmeny, err, how do I do that? |
| 10:56.59 | harmeny | pstickne: use synaptic, if you're not that familiar to apt-get |
| 10:57.05 | harmeny | pstickne: you'll find it in the menu |
| 10:57.10 | harmeny | psnl: (not on right-click!) |
| 10:57.16 | harmeny | pstickne: (not on right-click!) |
| 10:57.23 | harmeny | psnl: sorry, that was not meant for you |
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| 10:57.50 | pstickne | harmeny, I'm not farmiliar with how deb packages work; why does it want to remove packages just because they aren't used by the latest thing I'm installing? |
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| 10:57.54 | chikky | Why don't I have "/etc/apt/preferences" on a fresh installed system? |
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| 10:58.36 | pstickne | harmeny, eg: installing openoffice.org says it wants to remove all of gnome O.o |
| 10:59.02 | harmeny | pstickne: some repo conflict? |
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| 10:59.22 | pstickne | harmeny, dunno, I'm pulling from testing. |
| 11:00.01 | chikky | can I enable ALL packages from backport? |
| 11:00.15 | pstickne | harmeny all I get is "The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED" -- how can I find out something useful? |
| 11:00.27 | harmeny | chikky: why not? |
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| 11:00.47 | harmeny | pstickne: see what it adds instead |
| 11:01.00 | harmeny | pstickne: perhaps testing recently passed through a wild update |
| 11:01.08 | chikky | harmeny: but how? It says that it disables all by default (if I follow the instructions). |
| 11:01.33 | pstickne | harmeny, upgrades 1 (open office), adds 8 (the most interesting is glibc4.1) |
| 11:01.41 | pstickne | err, gcc |
| 11:01.42 | harmeny | chikky: yes, but wait and see what it installs after, and, if it doesn't look promissing, abort all of it |
| 11:01.56 | pstickne | oops, I lied |
| 11:02.07 | pstickne | binutils is updates. it just removes oo 1.x |
| 11:02.25 | harmeny | pstickne: oops, i thought you said what chikky. anyway, it works for you, too (except the "yes") :P |
| 11:02.40 | chikky | How do I search re with apt-get? |
| 11:02.46 | harmeny | pstickne: it will probably install a newer one |
| 11:02.59 | pstickne | harmeny, I've already had to re-install gnome because installing X7 decided it was going to remove it O.o |
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| 11:03.15 | harmeny | chikky: why not use aptitude? |
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| 11:03.41 | chikky | harmeny: i prefer the non-interactive way.. Isn't it possible? |
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| 11:04.25 | dobblego | where does dpkg log to? http://rafb.net/paste/results/GNq6GF91.html |
| 11:05.55 | harmeny | chikky: it is, it's just that i used it rarely enough for not knowing exactly what to answer |
| 11:05.58 | pstickne | will apt-get honor apitude `holds`? |
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| 11:06.32 | fireba11 | yes |
| 11:06.35 | harmeny | pstickne: aptitude is a frontend to apt-get. so it's apt-get itself, actually. |
| 11:07.14 | pstickne | harmeny, someone said earlier that it would `remember` which packages you manually installed vs. dependencies |
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| 11:08.45 | chikky | How do I enable sudo for a user? In wheel? |
| 11:09.10 | pstickne | via pam? |
| 11:09.28 | chikky | pstickne: pam? |
| 11:10.44 | pstickne | chikky, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/33 |
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| 11:11.04 | chikky | pstickne: thx |
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| 11:16.33 | pstickne | harmeny, going through synaptic gives me much different results, only 1 to be removed. I guess I just suck with apt-get. |
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| 11:17.22 | harmeny | pstickne: that looks like a proper explanation :P |
| 11:17.24 | chikky | That's stupid. Do I really need to configure that much to give my regular user root permission? |
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| 11:18.08 | pstickne | chikky, that's hardly any configuration. |
| 11:18.22 | pstickne | chikky, but most users shouldn't need to run things they can't run normally |
| 11:18.49 | pstickne | chikky, just be glad you're not being told to use YaST2 ;) |
| 11:18.56 | chikky | I'm not looking for a comprehensive guide. I just want full access to everything as chikky. Everyone else will have no permissions |
| 11:19.15 | ciphr | i upgraded my kernel...now my laptop works slower when loading stuff from harddisk... :( |
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| 11:19.36 | pstickne | chikky, don't violate LUA |
| 11:19.47 | pstickne | chikky, it gets some getting used to but it is "the right way" |
| 11:20.09 | chikky | pstickne: It's a single (or maybie two) user desktop. |
| 11:20.19 | pstickne | chikky, so is XP. |
| 11:20.46 | chikky | Why isn't adding myself to 'wheel' "the right way". It works perfectly on my other box. |
| 11:21.08 | chikky | we're not talking about windoze are we? |
| 11:21.15 | pstickne | chikky, I never said anything for/against that. If all you need is to be a member of that group, and you like, go for it. I don't care. |
| 11:21.37 | chikky | pstickne: But will it work? |
| 11:21.41 | pstickne | chikky, your question was about sudo though |
| 11:21.51 | pstickne | chikky, does that give you the required permissions? |
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| 11:22.03 | pstickne | chikky, one way to make sure ... test it |
| 11:22.05 | chikky | pstickne: Yeah. In Arch being in wheel gives you permission to use sudo |
| 11:22.06 | liable | chikky: man visudo |
| 11:22.27 | liable | chikky: debian isnt arch, you need to edit sudoers file |
| 11:22.45 | pstickne | chikky, 'chikky ALL=(ALL) ALL' |
| 11:22.47 | chikky | liable: ok |
| 11:22.58 | dooglus | chikky: in debian we use group 'admin', not 'wheel' |
| 11:23.13 | dooglus | chikky: add yourself to the admin group. there's no need to edit sudoers |
| 11:23.24 | chikky | dooglus: ok. Do I need to add myself there? |
| 11:23.36 | chikky | dooglus: k, thx |
| 11:23.52 | dooglus | chikky: take a look at the end of the sudoers file - you'll see a line mentioning admin |
| 11:24.13 | dooglus | chikky: something like: # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges |
| 11:24.13 | dooglus | %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 11:24.15 | liable | dooglus: oh really? |
| 11:24.26 | dooglus | the '%' means 'group' |
| 11:24.29 | liable | dooglus: what distro are you using? |
| 11:24.38 | dooglus | liable: debian sid |
| 11:24.57 | chikky | I don't have an "admin" group. |
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| 11:25.08 | dooglus | how about 'adm' then? |
| 11:25.09 | dooglus | %adm ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 11:25.22 | dooglus | like I say, take a look using "visudo" |
| 11:25.46 | liable | dooglus: mind pasting that file, on my two sid boxen and my sarge one, i dont have that in sudoers |
| 11:26.14 | dooglus | liable: what do you see if you: "sudo grep '%' /etc/sudoers" ? |
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| 11:26.35 | liable | dooglus: i just catted the file, there is no admin |
| 11:26.39 | chikky | dooglus: I did add the group. Wasn't nothing about "adm" though. |
| 11:26.51 | liable | dooglus: on any box |
| 11:27.23 | pstickne | geh. I left out some important DMA support or something in kernel :( |
| 11:27.27 | liable | dooglus: in fact i just installed sudo on my sarge box, to test |
| 11:27.37 | SNow | hey, maybe someone knows a way how to bind dircproxy to work on a specified device? |
| 11:29.52 | pstickne | where is this visudo you speak of? |
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| 11:30.22 | pstickne | SNow, no way to simply bind IP? Or is it bridged too? |
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| 11:31.06 | karsten | What's the 2.6.15 way of doing hibernate/suspend? I just installed apmd and find it doesn't work. Rebooted with 'apm=on' in GRUB to boot. |
| 11:31.10 | SNow | you see, I use 80 port for it, I have 2 hostnames on machine, 1 is web which does need 80 port, and another virtual hostname has all the ports open without any use |
| 11:31.21 | SNow | so I need to bind dircproxy to work on eth0:1 80 port to work |
| 11:31.33 | SNow | while at my office, the sysadmins have filtered all the ports, except 80 :) |
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| 11:31.39 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 11:31.40 | SNow | I do want to chat though :) |
| 11:31.40 | karsten | Testing/unstable FWIW |
| 11:32.02 | dooglus | liable: it looks like I must have added that line to sudoers myself. oops! |
| 11:32.17 | dooglus | liable: I just looked at the sid sudo package, and there's nothing about group admin or adm in there |
| 11:32.21 | SNow | I tried to bind on a ip, but it does use it in irc, but when I conect I have to use eth0 device |
| 11:32.27 | pstickne | SNow, you could always cheat and use a redirect. |
| 11:32.41 | SNow | pstickne how? |
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| 11:32.48 | karsten | Hrm. Should I turn off acpi? |
| 11:32.49 | SNow | make a 6tunnel and redirect it to 57000 ? |
| 11:32.57 | liable | dooglus: right. thats cool, just dont remember that next time you tell someone you dont need to edit sudoers :P |
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| 11:33.06 | dooglus | liable: heh :) |
| 11:33.14 | dooglus | liable: don't worry, I won't |
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| 11:33.24 | DustyDingo | is it normal, that per default, info <command> shows the man page? |
| 11:33.39 | DustyDingo | it seems like i have not one info file installed,... |
| 11:33.40 | pstickne | SNow, netcat maybe? ssh can do it. although that's overkill. I've used portfwd before. |
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| 11:34.05 | dooglus | DustyDingo: the 'info' pages are sometimes in a separate package. "tar-doc" for the "tar" info, for instance |
| 11:34.11 | pstickne | SNow, although I don't see why you can let it bind to both ifs |
| 11:34.19 | pstickne | SNow, must be missing something :( |
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| 11:35.17 | DustyDingo | dooglus: well, isn' this a bit stupid, one package for only one file? |
| 11:35.30 | pstickne | DustyDingo, it's to be consistent |
| 11:35.34 | DustyDingo | dooglus: and no, this couldn't be the problem, i am talking about any info page |
| 11:35.53 | DustyDingo | cut, ping, sort,.... |
| 11:35.59 | DustyDingo | Any |
| 11:36.32 | DustyDingo | probably the info command can't find the correct dir with the info files,... |
| 11:36.43 | pstickne | DustyDingo, maybe binutils-doc? |
| 11:36.49 | liable | DustyDingo: install grub-doc, then try man grub; info grub |
| 11:37.01 | liable | DustyDingo: tell us if its the same |
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| 11:37.57 | jelly-home | SNow: if the app doesn't support binding to a specific interface, but supports running from inetd, you can run it from xinetd which allows specifying the interface. |
| 11:38.23 | DustyDingo | liable: that's an idear |
| 11:38.46 | mwe | aren't .a and .a .la files generally only needed if you compile things? |
| 11:39.39 | jelly-home | SNow: or you can bind a high port and use nc. I prefer redir for that particular function: redir --laddr=ip-to-listen-on --lport=80 --caddr=localhost --cport=whatever-your-app-listens-on |
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| 11:40.25 | pstickne | is epipheny and good? |
| 11:40.53 | liable | pstickne: try it and decide yourself |
| 11:40.55 | DustyDingo | liable: it's working for grub |
| 11:41.27 | DustyDingo | but though i have binutils-doc installed i get not one other info page, for sort, ping, cut,.. |
| 11:41.29 | liable | DustyDingo: then as dooglus said, you need the appropriate -doc package if it exists for that package |
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| 11:42.03 | pstickne | liable, ... :x |
| 11:42.10 | DustyDingo | liable: well, of course the don't exist for each tiny command |
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| 11:42.45 | liable | DustyDingo: at least we have established that info works :P |
| 11:43.12 | DustyDingo | liable: well, not for me :( |
| 11:43.45 | pstickne | synaptic is really nicely made |
| 11:43.56 | liable | DustyDingo: you just said it worked for grub, therefore info works, what you need for info ping is another story |
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| 11:48.14 | liable | DustyDingo: many simple programs dont have info pages |
| 11:48.39 | liable | DustyDingo: and those that do, will usually state so in the man page |
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| 11:50.31 | dooglus | DustyDingo: did you try "info coreutils"? |
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| 11:53.48 | gan0713 | Hi |
| 11:54.26 | gan0713 | using the file /etc/network/interface i added multiples ips to the machine... and restarted the network and the ips got listed........ as eth0:1, 2 etc |
| 11:55.01 | liable | gan0713: well, if you did it all for the same card.. |
| 11:55.02 | gan0713 | now even after i remove the ips from there and after the networking restart when i use ifconfig it still shows the multiple ips |
| 11:55.19 | gan0713 | no for eth0:[1-9] |
| 11:55.48 | liable | gan0713: ifconfig eth0 down |
| 11:55.51 | gan0713 | now even after removing the entry ifconfig shows the ips and devices eth0:[0-9] |
| 11:55.58 | liable | gan0713: should remove the aliases |
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| 11:56.14 | gan0713 | is it eth0 down or eth0:1 down |
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| 11:56.43 | liable | eth0 is the parent, that should do. its documented somewhere that i cant remember atm |
| 11:56.51 | gan0713 | even if i do that this is only temporary... i want to remove it permenantly |
| 11:57.19 | gan0713 | if i do that i will not be able to login to my system.... iam doing it remotly |
| 11:58.14 | liable | gan0713: ifconfig eth0 down && ifup eth0 and pray it comes back up :P |
| 11:58.16 | DustyDingo | well as i thought, there is a info page for "du", when i search it in "info coreutils", but "info du" shows me the man page |
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| 11:58.54 | prudhvi_ | !mplayer |
| 11:58.54 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at ... |
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| 11:59.28 | liable | DustyDingo: ah, so it does, that would be worthy of a bug, the man page says info du |
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| 11:59.59 | DustyDingo | liable: and of course i checked how info workes on an other system, and there everything is fine |
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| 12:00.40 | liable | DustyDingo: file a bug, its certainly a legit problem |
| 12:02.30 | k31th | guys wat version of debian do i want for a AMD 64? |
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| 12:03.18 | liable | k31th: 32 bit unless you want missing programs that you have to run i a chroot, in that case /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 12:03.43 | k31th | cba with no agg |
| 12:03.57 | k31th | so basically there is no 64 bit version.. |
| 12:04.04 | k31th | ill just use the 32 then |
| 12:04.07 | liable | yes |
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| 12:04.14 | liable | !amd64 |
| 12:04.14 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 12:04.38 | k31th | there is a ubuntu 64 bit version isunt there? (dare i say it). |
| 12:04.48 | k31th | i seem to recall it being rather ropey tho |
| 12:04.57 | liable | do actually read the answers you get? |
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| 12:05.06 | yassinework | how can i set a proxy for my server to use it when connecting to the web please shall export a kind of HTTP_PROXY env variable ? |
| 12:05.29 | k31th | liable: yes i read it |
| 12:05.53 | liable | k31th: did you read the links dpkg just gave? |
| 12:06.04 | k31th | i read the bottom line |
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| 12:06.25 | k31th | i dont really have a good reason to run 64bit |
| 12:06.32 | liable | k31th: at least read the links, not just the last line |
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| 12:06.54 | liable | k31th: oh, in that case, fine :) |
| 12:07.00 | k31th | :D |
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| 12:07.15 | k31th | id rather have a stable server running 32bit |
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| 12:07.24 | joeyjones | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNJqpdPX2FQ |
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| 12:09.17 | chikky | I get "failed to open /home/chikky/.cvspass for reading" when I try to download through cvs. Why? |
| 12:09.36 | zimnyx | What easy-configurable proxy server would you advise me? |
| 12:09.42 | liable | joeyjones: dude, really not appropriate here. |
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| 12:10.08 | liable | chikky: did you login first? |
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| 12:11.53 | chikky | liable: It's for dc++. It said to log in anon and to enter blank password, so I did. |
| 12:12.15 | liable | chikky: and then you tried to download? |
| 12:12.51 | chikky | liable: Uhm.. I just tried the command. I have no idea how to download it (I thought that was it). |
| 12:12.53 | liable | chikky: just cut and paste the two lines that they give, hit enter for the first and then do the second |
| 12:13.17 | chikky | liable: oh.. I thought it was either one or another :P |
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| 12:16.51 | liable | oh dear, i have konsole, firefox and thunderbird open and they are using 42% of a gig of mem :/ |
| 12:17.41 | Ronin | liable: close that mem hog konsole ;) |
| 12:17.52 | Fox | liable: did you ask 'free' ? :) |
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| 12:18.42 | liable | Fox: free says the whole gig is used |
| 12:19.22 | liable | Ronin: i like konsole, i havent used kde for a while, but i cant help from installing it. i just like the tabs |
| 12:19.48 | liable | i know theres another xterm that has tabs, but it sucks :P |
| 12:19.57 | glut | liable: switch to xfce4, it's light |
| 12:20.07 | glut | liable: and it has wonderful terminal with tabs |
| 12:20.24 | chikky | glut: Or use screen ^_^ |
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| 12:20.36 | liable | glut: i have xfce4 on another box, i gave up on it because it lagged like hell, and installed e17 |
| 12:20.57 | chikky | liable: Does e17 run faster than xfce? |
| 12:21.02 | glut | chikky: yeah, let's throw Xorg away and switch to fb only ;) |
| 12:21.03 | liable | glut: shit yes |
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| 12:21.25 | liable | glut: and its a lot nicer looking (though that is a personal thing) |
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| 12:21.29 | chikky | glut: ?? Just because screen is better than tabs? |
| 12:22.07 | glut | chikky: just kidding ;) it's a matter of personal taste what you like more |
| 12:22.08 | liable | chikky: i cant switch between screen sessions as quick as tabs in konsole |
| 12:22.16 | k-man_ | when i do an apt-get update, i get an md5sum mismatch |
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| 12:22.38 | appelza | Hi. |
| 12:22.43 | k-man_ | how can i fix it? |
| 12:22.44 | appelza | What package contains libdb2 ? |
| 12:22.54 | liable | !tell appelza about search |
| 12:23.04 | appelza | Thanks |
| 12:23.25 | chikky | liable: Of course you can. You can configure it too use ALT-<NUM> if you prefer that.. Man I couldn't live without screen... Besides, tabs in a terminal looks horrible |
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| 12:24.03 | liable | chikky: i can use shift + > and i dont have to reach to the top of the screen :P |
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| 12:24.28 | liable | s/sreen/keyboard/ |
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| 12:25.07 | cydork | liable: i use alt+a p/n, it's faster!! |
| 12:25.29 | chikky | liable: Well, don't use it if you think it's slow. But it's not when you get used to it. And it's incredibly featureful, not only tabs. |
| 12:25.39 | liable | chikky: i use screen btw, i just like console, you dont need to try and sell me on screen. |
| 12:26.12 | chikky | liable: Oh.. Well then. I always to propaganda for good software :P |
| 12:26.16 | liable | chikky: but i generally only use it for ssh |
| 12:26.42 | chikky | liable: and irssi :P |
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| 12:26.59 | liable | no, i have irssi in konsole |
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| 12:27.18 | chikky | hmm, I get told that my g++ is too old. I need 3.4. Where/how do i get it? |
| 12:27.48 | chikky | liable: i'd have irssi in screen in konsole ^_^ |
| 12:28.03 | liable | chikky: why? konsole has tabs! |
| 12:28.14 | hjubal | hola |
| 12:28.19 | xwind_ | Hi.i have installed bittorrent and i have the torrent file. How do i launch bittorrent at the ssh console? |
| 12:28.21 | alex_ | alright, I have huge trouble with mailman and can't find proper help on the mailman channel, since I have installed it using apt-get and that spreads the app all over the OS, can someone try to explain me where things are and what I sould do to try to troubleshoot my problems |
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| 12:29.19 | chikky | liable: Like I said, it's not only the tabs I want. You can kill X, start it up in the console (or another X). You can move between terms etc.. Man I could keep going forever :P |
| 12:29.20 | liable | xwind_: have you tried 'man bittorent' ?? surely it has examples? |
| 12:29.46 | kasper | alex_: you can goto a terminal and run updatedb as root then locate mailman to find out where the executable is located . most likey /usr/bin/mailman |
| 12:29.53 | kasper | alex_: man mailman |
| 12:29.56 | xwind_ | no manual entry. |
| 12:30.07 | liable | chikky: yes, it can do all that... but why the hell would i want to run irssi inside screen on x inside konsole??? |
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| 12:30.18 | alex_ | kasper: yes I got all of those |
| 12:30.25 | alex_ | kasper: that does not help believe me |
| 12:30.31 | kasper | alex_: what is the issue? |
| 12:30.34 | alex_ | mailman is the hell of a program |
| 12:31.12 | chikky | too have the whole screen session saved even if you kill konsole. You know that you can log out, back in and still be in irssi or whatever your doing in screen right? |
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| 12:31.29 | mr_blue | hi all |
| 12:31.43 | alex_ | the issue is that I have configure apache so that any attempt to the mailman interface is redirected into the cgi-bin dir and then mailman executes itself, thats fine, I have changed the location of the webroot and all my links are broken because they all refer to the old location |
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| 12:31.53 | mr_blue | how to know which package are installed on my system plz |
| 12:32.04 | cydork | mr_blue: dpkg -l |
| 12:32.05 | mr_blue | apt-get ? apt-cache ? |
| 12:32.14 | mr_blue | cydork, ok thx |
| 12:32.32 | singe | hi, can anyone recommend how I can reliably install just one package from etch while running sarge? Should I use pinning? |
| 12:32.43 | chikky | how can it be that I have the lates version of g++ but it can't compile the software I need? |
| 12:33.06 | cydork | singe: why not try backports!! |
| 12:33.31 | liable | chikky: as i said, i use it when i ssh. so yes, its usefull. i am talking about running irssi on my laptop in konsole, and no, if the laptop stops, its usually a reboot, although lately it has been for x shits, but i dont give a flying fuck that i restart irssi :P |
| 12:33.41 | singe | cydork: oh, not familiar with them, will google, thanks man |
| 12:34.50 | cydork | !tell singe about backports |
| 12:34.59 | chikky | liable: If you don't have any use for it there's no point using it. But it helps me incredibly for more or less everything, which why I rarely have more than one terminal (with screen running of course!) |
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| 12:35.34 | singe | cydork: ta++ |
| 12:35.36 | myki | Hi. When drive is mounted at boot its owner is root. How do I change it to myki by default? |
| 12:35.37 | chikky | anyone know where I can get "g++ -v 3.4"? |
| 12:36.03 | joeyjones | liable: but that's oh so funny! |
| 12:36.12 | blondie | myki: change the owner of the mount point? |
| 12:36.32 | myki | chikky: apt-get install g++-3.4 |
| 12:36.35 | myki | blondie: |
| 12:36.45 | blondie | yes? |
| 12:36.50 | DragonD | ok, here is a problem, i just got a server from a hosting company and it is mixed stable/testing, why? i don't have a clue. i guess the setup guy was an idiot. anyways, i don't want to have to deal with them i was going to downgrade all of the testing packages by hand till i noticed it would be a lot now i'm thinking about just upgrading to testing is that "safe" to do on a remote server? |
| 12:37.04 | myki | blondie: no. when drive is umounted the permisions are different than the state when it's mounted |
| 12:37.12 | myki | blondie: look, even at umask |
| 12:37.21 | chikky | myki: thx.. stupd that it doesn't do that by default though... |
| 12:37.22 | blondie | DragonD: maybe upgrade to "etch"... it should become stable in december c.c |
| 12:37.25 | nextgens | DragonD: downgrading is never safe imho |
| 12:37.37 | johnnyss | Hi I am trying to make a mirror with: debmirror -a i386 -s main,contrib,non-free -h ftp.fi.debian.org -d sarge /some/place but I get this error... [0%] Getting: dists/sarge/Release # failed:Can't build data connection: Connection timed out. |
| 12:37.43 | liable | joeyjones: indeed. dont be surprised if someone calls opsies on you though :P |
| 12:37.53 | myki | chikky: just $apt-cache search g++ | grep g++ ;) |
| 12:38.13 | johnnyss | Is ftp.fi.debian.org not a valid place to mirror from? |
| 12:38.15 | liable | i think i just made up a new word! |
| 12:38.24 | nextgens | I'm experiencing a problem with wdm ; my user logs in (it's reported in wtmp) but no session is started and wdm restarts, any hint ? running Etch, trying to start xfce4-session |
| 12:38.32 | chikky | myki: Oh. That's how you search the repos? |
| 12:38.41 | DragonD | ok what about the kernel. is that safe to upgrade also? |
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| 12:38.57 | myki | chikky: you tried that1 w/o grep, didn't you ;)? |
| 12:39.07 | cydork | !tell chikky about search |
| 12:39.10 | chikky | myki: no. didn't know about t |
| 12:39.21 | myki | ok |
| 12:39.26 | Kevin` | DragonD from packages? probably. from source? if your careful |
| 12:39.41 | chikky | cydork: was the bot supposed to msg me? |
| 12:39.51 | cydork | chikky: yep |
| 12:40.09 | chikky | cydork: oh, it did (in another window). thx :P |
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| 12:42.38 | nextgens | X & DISPLAY=:0 xfce4-session works |
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| 12:43.13 | chikky | ehm, what package includes gtk+? I get like a million packages when searching. |
| 12:43.14 | nextgens | any idea/hint ? |
| 12:43.16 | myki | I want to make some mount points in /media to be accesible by particular user. I added 'owner' and proper umask to fstab. When owner (in that case myki) mounts it - it's ok, but on boot it's mounted by root so that root becomes its owner. How do I sort that out? |
| 12:43.22 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 12:43.31 | chikky | is it like: "apt-get install apt-gtk+"? |
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| 12:44.38 | cydork | chikky: what is apt-gtk?? never heard of it.. |
| 12:44.52 | infernix | someone backported xorg 7.1 to sarge last week. does anyone have the url? |
| 12:45.03 | cydork | !backports |
| 12:45.03 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 12:45.09 | infernix | nooo |
| 12:45.13 | infernix | 7.1 isnt on backports.org. |
| 12:45.19 | infernix | its experimental. hence my question. |
| 12:45.27 | cydork | infernix: then no idea :P |
| 12:45.32 | myki | chikky: in this case many apps uses gtk+, but not do have gtk+ in name itself. Try apt-cache search <something> | grep <something>. It will list just packages with <something> in its name. |
| 12:45.43 | chikky | cydork: I got it with that triple command.. Could have made it easier to type though :( |
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| 12:46.00 | zimnyx | What easy-configurable proxy server would you advise me? |
| 12:46.18 | andax | after i made changes to /etc/security/limits.conf, how do I apply them without rebooting? |
| 12:46.32 | chikky | I did: "apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search gtk+". Man is that command overkill or what? |
| 12:46.56 | andax | zimnyx, try tinyproxy it's very easy to configure and does the job |
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| 12:47.09 | zimnyx | andax: thanks:) |
| 12:47.53 | cydork | myki: apt-cache search <somthing> --names-only works better than grep |
| 12:48.06 | myki | cydork: good 2 know |
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| 12:50.19 | chikky | I can't find it... Anyone here ever compiled dc++? What gtk+ package do I need? |
| 12:50.21 | DragonD | ok i have a kernel-image 2.6.15-1 installed from dpkg, why is apt-get -s upgrade tring to upgrade a 2.4 kernel? |
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| 12:50.55 | DragonD | and if i let it upgrade it will it update the grub menu to boot from the 2.4 or keep the 2.6? |
| 12:52.10 | DerJamster | DragonD: is the 2.4 image also installed? :P |
| 12:52.15 | cydork | chikky: apt-cache depends linuxdcpp |
| 12:52.15 | DerJamster | just uninstall it then. |
| 12:52.23 | DragonD | DerJamster: yeah i think so |
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| 12:53.18 | chikky | cydork: what do you mean "depends"? |
| 12:53.32 | cydork | chikky: try it :P |
| 12:54.04 | cydork | chikky: or if you want to compile it the apt-get build-dep linuxdcpp |
| 12:54.11 | DragonD | kernels in the grub menu.lst 2.6.15-1, 2.6.8-3, 2.6.8-2, 2.4.27-2... why the hell would a hosting company insall 4 diff kernels? |
| 12:54.24 | chikky | It can't locate the the package (I got it through cvs). |
| 12:54.41 | dooglus | cydork: "depends" is no good for answering his question. he wanted the build dependencies, not the install ones |
| 12:54.44 | DragonD | f-it i'll do the apt-get upgrade anyway. and prey when i do a reboot. |
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| 12:55.27 | chikky | cydork: Yes. I'd love to compile it... it's not going very well though :( |
| 12:56.05 | Zinkeldonk | Can anyone tell me a good resource to look at for compiling a debian package from source. |
| 12:56.07 | chikky | cydork: since it doesn't recognise linuxdcpp as a package it won't do it.. |
| 12:56.38 | chikky | It needs: Checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.6... failed |
| 12:56.45 | Zinkeldonk | I have to modify a couple of the compile-time options and it dosen't seem completely obvious where those compile-time options are set. |
| 12:56.59 | cydork | chikky: sarge??? |
| 12:57.11 | chikky | cydork: I don't know. I think so. |
| 12:57.22 | chikky | I downloaded current yesterday. |
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| 12:58.21 | Jemt | Greetz. Does someone know how to get the Flash Player in Firefox syncronize sound and video? It is _annoying_ watching a video where the sound is 5 seconds off |
| 12:59.07 | cydork | chikky: i guess you need to install libgtk2.0-0 |
| 13:00.01 | alex_ | how do I know which user is doing a precise process ? |
| 13:00.38 | zamuro | alex_: top | grep user |
| 13:00.45 | cydork | alex_: man ps |
| 13:00.59 | chikky | cydork: I have the latest one... |
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| 13:02.21 | cydork | chikky: oh you are compiling right then you need libgtk2.0-dev sorry my mistake :P |
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| 13:03.11 | chikky | cydork: getting it. |
| 13:03.30 | chikky | shouldn't all that be in "build-essential"? |
| 13:03.42 | chikky | accorsing to the name and all? |
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| 13:04.43 | possie | is there away with tcpdump to only listen to traffic originating from a certain mac address? |
| 13:04.47 | signuts | Ok, I just apt-get installed madwifi-tools and the likes and I have no kernel modules. And I have no INSTALL file in /usr/share/doc/!! I am lost. |
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| 13:04.55 | signuts | Anyone ever install or have docs about using madwifi on debian? |
| 13:05.00 | cydork | chikky: build-essential has only `cat /usr/share/build-essential/essential-packages-list` these packages |
| 13:05.17 | Kevin` | signuts I have, but I did it from source (madwifi-ng) |
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| 13:05.42 | signuts | Kevin`, hmm.. yeah that's what is seems like here. I have no clue what to try next |
| 13:06.07 | chikky | cydork: I noticed.. But as it's called "build-essential" it should feature everything you need to compile don't you think? |
| 13:06.20 | Kevin` | well I did it from source because I wanted the latest version |
| 13:06.33 | Kevin` | I assume there's a package for the kernel module |
| 13:06.43 | chikky | It has taken me an hour, only downloading new packages to come one step further in the compilation... Pretty bad if you ask me. |
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| 13:06.49 | cydork | possie: you can specify that in expression i guess!! |
| 13:07.14 | possie | cydork, yes, but i can't find what the expression was anymore, and it's not in the man page, atleast i can't find it in there |
| 13:07.16 | Kevin` | chikky apt-get has an option to download everything needed to compile a particular package |
| 13:07.26 | Kevin` | build-dep or build-deps |
| 13:07.32 | Kevin` | (I forget) |
| 13:08.03 | chikky | Kevin`: But if It's a scons(truct)? How can I tell apt-get to search an download all packages thatäs necessary to continue? |
| 13:08.40 | Kevin` | hm I think there's a program that does that for you to |
| 13:08.46 | cydork | <cydork> chikky: or if you want to compile it the apt-get build-dep linuxdcpp |
| 13:08.46 | Kevin` | damned if I remember what it is |
| 13:09.11 | chikky | < chikky> Kevin`: But if It's a scons(truct)? How can I tell apt-get to search an download all packages thatäs necessary to continue? |
| 13:09.12 | cydork | Kevin`: but sarge doesn't have linuxdcpp :P |
| 13:09.19 | Sypher | guys, one quick question ... a network interface can have more than one ip addresses ? |
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| 13:09.35 | cydork | Sypher: yes |
| 13:09.35 | Kevin` | I know, there's a program that does it for source packages.. it watches configure/make or something |
| 13:09.42 | Kevin` | and when it shows a problem, downloads the package |
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| 13:09.46 | Sypher | cydork, no limit ? |
| 13:09.48 | chikky | nope.. Which beats my understanding why.. Why not have the same repos (or at least the possibility to use the other)? |
| 13:10.30 | chikky | Kevin`: That'd be nice... It's for scons atm but I guess make is more common. |
| 13:10.38 | cydork | !tell Sypher about ipalias |
| 13:10.38 | CAiRO | i've added xchat to my gnome panel but it shows a different icon there then when i go to the launcher properties, why? |
| 13:10.47 | CAiRO | how do i get it to show the icon i've chosen? |
| 13:10.57 | Sypher | cydork, thanks |
| 13:12.29 | chikky | Yay!!! it's compiling!! (on a 200 mhz box)... |
| 13:12.36 | cydork | CAiRO: right click -> properties -> icon :) |
| 13:12.58 | CAiRO | cydork: yes, the problem is it shows a different icon in the gnome panel than the one it shows in the properties dialog |
| 13:13.33 | CAiRO | i want the icon for xchat with the orange X but it shows a smilie for the xchat launcher in the gnome panel |
| 13:13.42 | cydork | CAiRO: ask #gnome |
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| 13:14.11 | Bklyn | anyone else have a borked squid on unstable today? |
| 13:15.47 | SlayerXP | Bklyn: what does the BTS say? |
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| 13:21.00 | Bklyn | SlayerXP: nothing in there |
| 13:21.14 | Bklyn | Squid3 seems to work OK though so I'm upgrading :) |
| 13:21.27 | Bklyn | squid depends on squid-common, but there is a version mismatch right now |
| 13:21.36 | Bklyn | <something>-3 vs. <something>-4 |
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| 13:28.33 | alex_ | is it possible to reinstall mailman with apt-get wihtout lose the db and the archive ? |
| 13:29.10 | infernix | probably apt-get install --reinstall mailman will do that, but make backups if you want to be sure |
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| 13:30.27 | christianp | hi all |
| 13:30.41 | zbychuk | hi |
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| 13:31.43 | christianp | does anyone know if is there a way to create a sarge file server to manage windows users (i suppose with openldap) like Active directory? |
| 13:31.49 | DragonD | great, was working fine when i guess is froze, as in a kernel panic or something. cause now nothing, oh well i guess they don't call it testing for nothin |
| 13:31.56 | Phroziac | so, what's the list of things to do after upgrading to testing? I have my machine running decent now. |
| 13:32.03 | zimnyx | On my box only incoming connections are allowed (Apache & SSH server can be reached). I got another remote box. I want to enable outgoing connections from the first box - is it possible to set up proxy and tunel on remote box, and set up proxy connection on 1st box which will point to come localhost port (tunelled). Would it work? |
| 13:32.07 | christianp | i want to create a linux domain server |
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| 13:32.16 | christianp | to manage users and share |
| 13:32.22 | christianp | is it possible? |
| 13:32.26 | christianp | how can i do this? |
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| 13:37.43 | chikky | if I download enlightenment; will I get e16 or e17? |
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| 13:38.24 | mattl | chikky: which version of debian are you running? |
| 13:38.33 | appelza | what server did the official channel move to again? |
| 13:38.42 | mattl | irc.oftc.net |
| 13:38.46 | appelza | thanks |
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| 13:38.48 | azeem | appelza: this channel is still official |
| 13:39.06 | chikky | mattl: current stable (I think). |
| 13:39.07 | appelza | sorry, I'm actually looking for debian-builders |
| 13:39.22 | Kevin` | I hope the channel moves back :/ |
| 13:39.41 | azeem | Kevin`: uhm, you're *in* the channel, how could it move "back"? |
| 13:39.49 | Kevin` | it's split now |
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| 13:39.56 | azeem | it was split for ages |
| 13:40.02 | azeem | it's just more split now |
| 13:40.03 | chikky | mattl: I think it's sarge |
| 13:40.05 | Kevin` | it's officially split now |
| 13:40.07 | FinnTux | whats the deal with kde in sid? |
| 13:40.26 | azeem | Kevin`: there were and always will be multiple #debian channels across the various irc networks, deal. |
| 13:40.34 | SlayerXP | FinnTux: "the deal"? |
| 13:40.46 | Kevin` | ya but i'd rather have this be the official channel.. all my other oss projects are here :) |
| 13:40.53 | FinnTux | sid has 3.5.3 already |
| 13:41.00 | azeem | Kevin`: see above |
| 13:41.04 | azeem | 15:29 < azeem> appelza: this channel is still official |
| 13:41.04 | FinnTux | kde homepage doens't mention it yet |
| 13:41.20 | Kevin` | ya well don't go anywhere =p |
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| 13:41.25 | SlayerXP | FinnTux: perhaps it's a secret release |
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| 13:42.25 | FinnTux | SlayerXP, conspiracy? lol |
| 13:42.46 | FinnTux | actually I noticed it 3.5.2->3.5.3 upgrade also |
| 13:43.44 | mattl | Kevin`: ditto. i'd much prefer to keep things on freenode. i have my cloak here ;) |
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| 13:44.19 | mattl | chikky: http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/enlightenment - e16, apparently. |
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| 13:45.26 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 13:45.26 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 13:45.46 | Kevin` | ok this is odd |
| 13:46.50 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/lala.txt - any ideas what might be causing this? it looks like the wrong partition is mounted as root |
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| 13:47.22 | abrotman | why is it wrong? |
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| 13:47.26 | abrotman | fdisk -l |
| 13:47.43 | MrRagga | j /#debian.de |
| 13:48.05 | Kevin` | abrotman http://kwzs.be/lala.txt |
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| 13:48.14 | Kevin` | note the size/free space available |
| 13:48.20 | Kevin` | i'm trying to move it to hda3 |
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| 13:48.46 | abrotman | so what? |
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| 13:48.50 | kasper | kevin: it just looks like you have only 1 partition mounted /dev/hda3 as your root ( / ) partition |
| 13:49.09 | Kevin` | kasper it's 1.8gb.. hda3 is 20gb |
| 13:49.37 | appelza | I get this error when I try dpkg -i moo.deb : |
| 13:49.38 | appelza | dpkg: error processing moo.deb (--install): |
| 13:49.38 | appelza | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.46 | kasper | kevin: right, but you have /dev/hda /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3 as partitions and only /dev/hda3 is mounted |
| 13:50.00 | abrotman | Kevin`: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 13:50.07 | kasper | right |
| 13:50.28 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/lala.txt |
| 13:50.30 | Kevin` | again.. |
| 13:50.45 | appelza | any ideas? |
| 13:50.48 | ice_1963 | abrotman, good morning |
| 13:50.52 | abrotman | dude .. when i say fdisk -l /dev/hda .. it's not for fun |
| 13:50.59 | kasper | lol |
| 13:51.07 | Kevin` | click the damn url, it's there |
| 13:51.10 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 13:51.11 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 13:51.19 | abrotman | i've opened the same information three times |
| 13:51.22 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 13:51.25 | abrotman | god damn cache! |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | ice_1963: hi |
| 13:51.36 | Kevin` | lala2.txt |
| 13:51.39 | abrotman | Kevin`: my bad |
| 13:51.45 | abrotman | Kevin`: anyways .. what is hda2? |
| 13:51.53 | Kevin` | hda2 is the old / |
| 13:52.17 | abrotman | Kevin`: and your boot loader config and fstab are correct? |
| 13:52.24 | Kevin` | afaik |
| 13:52.36 | Kevin` | bootloader does root(hd0,2) |
| 13:52.40 | Kevin` | kernel /boot/bzImage |
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| 13:52.53 | Kevin` | (or did, I typed it manually) |
| 13:52.54 | Persilon | Hi |
| 13:53.10 | Persilon | I'm having some troubles with apt-get |
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| 13:53.22 | Persilon | I'm getting errors like this one: @makeform.when('isinstance(obj, SQLObject) or (isinstance(obj, type) and issubclass(obj, SQLObject))') |
| 13:53.32 | Persilon | I'm running sarge |
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| 13:53.53 | abrotman | Kevin`: you might want to paste your boot loader config and your fstab |
| 13:54.08 | Kevin` | ok |
| 13:54.27 | Ronin | Kevin`: and not here please use pastebin of some sort |
| 13:55.04 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/menu.lst |
| 13:55.21 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/fstab |
| 13:55.47 | abrotman | (hd0,1) |
| 13:56.23 | Kevin` | try hd0,1 you say? |
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| 13:56.58 | Kevin` | note that i'm using the "linux" option |
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| 13:59.00 | bulio| | Is there any utilities for debian that can send me a daily e-mail with server reports? |
| 13:59.00 | Kevin` | ? |
| 13:59.07 | bulio| | such as uptime, SSH logins etc. |
| 13:59.32 | Kevin` | abrotman any ideas? |
| 13:59.52 | SeanTater | Persilon: are you using ftp.debian.org or mirrors.kernel.org ? |
| 13:59.55 | Persilon | problems with python and sql object, may anyone help me ? http://pastebin.ca/110237 |
| 14:00.00 | Persilon | SeanTater: yes |
| 14:00.10 | Persilon | SeanTater: I'm using ftp.debian.org |
| 14:00.14 | SeanTater | Persilon: /msg dpkg fudo |
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| 14:01.00 | abrotman | Kevin`: that's what it is set to |
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| 14:01.21 | Kevin` | abrotman i'm using this entry: |
| 14:01.25 | Kevin` | title linux |
| 14:01.25 | Kevin` | root (hd0,2) |
| 14:01.25 | Kevin` | kernel /boot/bzImage |
| 14:01.30 | bulio| | anyone? |
| 14:01.33 | Kevin` | not the default ones |
| 14:01.56 | abrotman | Kevin`: i don't see thatin your bootloader config |
| 14:02.02 | Kevin` | it's there.. |
| 14:02.12 | Kevin` | it's up higher |
| 14:02.27 | abrotman | Kevin`: that one has no root= line |
| 14:02.45 | Kevin` | hm i've never needed one before |
| 14:02.47 | Kevin` | i'll add it |
| 14:02.48 | abrotman | i'm not sure if that matters or not |
| 14:03.10 | signuts | Anyone have any good books or references on peer to peer programming? |
| 14:03.12 | bulio| | How can I see how much hard disk space I'm using? |
| 14:03.16 | bulio| | fdisk -l? |
| 14:03.20 | abrotman | df |
| 14:03.27 | Jenkens | abrotman: *cough* fudo fubar, no wonder my sparc repos were janked up. |
| 14:03.38 | Jenkens | nobody ever responded to my inquiries anyway |
| 14:03.40 | LinuxHelp | Um, I'm doing an EXPERIMENT to see how fast XDMCP runs over the net. So far I have been able to load gdm's xdmcp chooser, and it displays the remote (gdm) machine's info correctly, but when I click connect, I just get that root screen with the X cursor and nothing on it (which usually means no connection)... |
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| 14:04.10 | abrotman | Jenkens: no wonder? |
| 14:04.19 | Jenkens | abrotman: /topic |
| 14:04.27 | Kevin` | abrotman that doesn't seem to have changed anything |
| 14:04.29 | LinuxHelp | The remote machine is behind nat, could someone perhaps take a look at my forwarding? http://prototypejack.selfip.net/setvs.htm |
| 14:04.31 | abrotman | !fudo |
| 14:04.31 | dpkg | fudo is probably due to a bad mirror sync, ftp://ftp.us.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors> |
| 14:04.33 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 14:04.39 | Kevin` | hold on, it didn't show in /proc/cmdline |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | Jenkens: we told you numerous times to not use mirrors.kernel.org |
| 14:04.43 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 14:05.04 | Jenkens | abrotman: yes I also tried two other repos that yield the same result.. until i tried some crap like ftp.se.debian.org |
| 14:05.07 | LinuxHelp | I would like to know if I'm missing any ports... |
| 14:05.16 | Ronin | LinuxHelp: missing ports? |
| 14:05.22 | abrotman | Jenkens: mirrors.k.o screws up its sync about a bazillion times a year .. i don't know anyone who uses it |
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| 14:05.36 | Jenkens | abrotman: yes, but ftp.us.debian.org has a bad sync too.. |
| 14:05.42 | abrotman | (bazilllion might be an exaggeration) :) |
| 14:05.42 | Jenkens | which was one of the other ones i tried. |
| 14:05.52 | Jenkens | heh |
| 14:05.55 | LinuxHelp | Ronin, in the forwarding list, I would like to see if I havent skipped a port or two |
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| 14:05.59 | abrotman | Jenkens: which is weird since i use ftp.us.debian.org .. but oh well |
| 14:06.00 | Ronin | ahh |
| 14:06.07 | Jenkens | nod |
| 14:06.11 | abrotman | Jenkens: regardless use a Uni mirror near you |
| 14:06.24 | Jenkens | abrotman: Uni? |
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| 14:06.28 | Ronin | Jenkens: university |
| 14:06.32 | Jenkens | i'm just using ftp.se.debian.org for now, since it works |
| 14:06.34 | Caroline_wp | Hey everyone |
| 14:06.42 | bulio| | How can I see how much hard disk space I'm using? |
| 14:06.49 | Kevin` | df -h |
| 14:06.58 | Caroline_wp | What does everyone want to talk about? |
| 14:07.07 | Ronin | Caroline_wp: debian of course |
| 14:07.08 | abrotman | Jenkens: try the mirror at USC or arizona or unm |
| 14:07.08 | bulio| | thanks Kevin` |
| 14:07.10 | LinuxHelp | alias df='df -h' |
| 14:07.13 | abrotman | Caroline_wp: this isn't a social channel |
| 14:07.18 | Kevin` | adding root= seems to have fixed it |
| 14:07.19 | Caroline_wp | oh |
| 14:07.24 | abrotman | Jenkens: here's a good one for you : cudlug.cudenver.edu |
| 14:07.27 | Caroline_wp | What is it? |
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| 14:07.37 | Ronin | abrotman: and they know it to, do a /whois |
| 14:07.45 | abrotman | Caroline_wp: this is a support channel for Debian |
| 14:07.50 | Jenkens | abrotman: I was just gonna try cudenver haha |
| 14:07.57 | abrotman | Ronin: trolling all at once? |
| 14:07.58 | Jenkens | i used to have a shell account with them way way way back |
| 14:08.00 | Caroline_wp | What does Debian mean? |
| 14:08.05 | Ronin | abrotman: quite likely |
| 14:08.08 | abrotman | !tell Caroline_wp about debian |
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| 14:08.40 | shafire | why have debian this old apache2 debs |
| 14:08.41 | shafire | ? |
| 14:08.54 | Ronin | shafire: i presume your talking about stable? |
| 14:08.55 | Jenkens | wtf is wrong with my god damned backspace key |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | you mean 2.0 ? |
| 14:08.56 | azeem | shafire: because the maintainers were slagging |
| 14:08.58 | LinuxHelp | I would like to know what ports an XDMCP connection uses, except for the ones listed here http://prototypejack.selfip.net/setvs.htm |
| 14:09.04 | Jenkens | brrb |
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| 14:09.10 | azeem | shafire: there's 2.2 in svn.debian.org's pkg-apache svn trunk |
| 14:09.15 | azeem | not uploaded yet, though |
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| 14:09.20 | shafire | where azeem? |
| 14:09.28 | abrotman | uh |
| 14:09.29 | azeem | shafire: eh, I just told you |
| 14:09.41 | shafire | oh yes :) |
| 14:09.41 | zimnyx | On my box only incominng connections are possible (Apache + SSH are visible). Is it possible to let somehow outgoing connections? for example using tunel + proxy on remote box ? |
| 14:10.04 | Jenkens | alright |
| 14:10.07 | Kevin` | grub loading, please wait |
| 14:10.09 | Kevin` | "error 15" |
| 14:10.11 | Kevin` | :/ |
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| 14:10.18 | Jenkens | now if i could fix my dang backspace .. |
| 14:10.19 | riwa | how can I mount a folder on another system? |
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| 14:10.51 | DogWater | Anyone here ever use quotas? |
| 14:10.58 | cydork | !tell riwa about nfs |
| 14:11.23 | bulio| | DogWater: What kind of quota? |
| 14:11.29 | DogWater | just normal fs quotas |
| 14:11.37 | brotherJohn1234 | DogWater, jepp but disabled because of undisciplined bosses :( |
| 14:11.39 | DogWater | quotaon, etc |
| 14:11.47 | DogWater | i'm having an odd problem |
| 14:12.21 | Caroline_wp | Hey BrotherJohn1234 |
| 14:12.22 | Jenkens | abrotman: alright. i'm thorougly confused on backspace. stty -a shows erase as ^?, so i set putty (I ssh into this box i'm on to maintain it).. backspace works in console and vi... load up screen and it just gives me wuf-wuf (the bell message).. ctrl-h backspaces. so i change backspace to ^H in putty... works in console and screen, but vi freaks out. ? |
| 14:12.40 | riwa | cydork: uhm.. What? Isn't there some command mounting an external drive (or dir in that drive) through network? |
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| 14:13.24 | Kevin` | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 460K 2006-08-01 09:25 grub.iso |
| 14:13.27 | Kevin` | waste of a cd :/ |
| 14:13.40 | brotherJohn1234 | riwa, i think there is a Network-blockdevice for this. (http://www2.linuxjournal.com/article/3778) |
| 14:14.00 | riwa | brotherJohn1234: thx |
| 14:14.20 | DogWater | http://pastebin.ca/110248 can anyone take a look at that and tell me what im doing wrong? |
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| 14:16.49 | lunitik | DogWater: you may want to say more about what that link is... maybe you'll get more people to actually look at it... |
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| 14:17.04 | Jenkens | abrotman: am i just way off base with that |
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| 14:17.20 | DogWater | Oh, well basically I setup quotas the way I want them on one user, and im just trying to use edquota to copy them to another user. |
| 14:17.28 | DogWater | and it isnt 'doing it' according to the manual. |
| 14:18.14 | Thanatermesis | is SIGTERM the correct signal for close a program ? |
| 14:18.19 | gentgeen__ | can anyone help me figure out why xmms and mplayer are suddenly seg. faulting. |
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| 14:18.20 | DogWater | using the 'prototype' parameter |
| 14:18.52 | gentgeen__ | neither seem to leave any trail, just "segmentation fault" |
| 14:19.27 | |dennis| | I have tried to setup apt-proxy...trying to install etch on 100+ machines....clients manage to get packages/sources list from x.x.x.x:9999 but errors out on downloading the packages. apt-proxy config is at.. http://dennis.shc.edu.bz/apt-proxy-v2.conf ..please help |
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| 14:20.14 | DogWater | anyone know? |
| 14:20.20 | |dennis| | 2006/08/01 08:05 CST [Channel,24,10.3.0.6] Unhandled error in Deferred: |
| 14:20.44 | incorrect | im build a quick nat box, rather than load my iptables rules, i thought i could try a web tool? any suggestions? |
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| 14:20.48 | |dennis| | oops...that was one of the erro messages in the apt-proxy log.. wonder if that will help.. |
| 14:20.57 | incorrect | s/build/building |
| 14:21.05 | incorrect | god that was some good engrish |
| 14:21.20 | Kevin` | webmin |
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| 14:22.02 | abrotman | Jenkens: eh ? |
| 14:22.03 | incorrect | ok cool |
| 14:22.10 | abrotman | Jenkens: oh .. |
| 14:22.20 | abrotman | don't use webmin |
| 14:22.29 | incorrect | what should i use? |
| 14:22.31 | abrotman | vi |
| 14:22.33 | Jenkens | abrotman: any ideas.. ? nobody else seems to know. |
| 14:22.39 | incorrect | yes yes but i want to try a web tool |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | Jenkens: what happens when you hit delete? or backspace? |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | incorrect: ask #iptables |
| 14:22.52 | incorrect | i can just iptables < myoldruleset.blah |
| 14:23.03 | incorrect | iptables-restore :p |
| 14:23.07 | Kevin` | incorrect tip, use iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 14:23.25 | Jenkens | abrot: alright, if I have backspace set to ^? in putty, bash works, vi works.. but screen does nothing (gives wuf-wuf).. ctrl-h backspaces fine |
| 14:23.38 | incorrect | so does webmin suck that much? |
| 14:23.50 | Kevin` | no |
| 14:24.10 | Jenkens | abrotman: if i set ^H to backspace in putty, bash works, screen works but putty I think it just backs over the words (like pressing the left arrow) |
| 14:24.11 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 14:24.11 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 14:24.26 | incorrect | lol |
| 14:24.28 | abrotman | Jenkens: try fixing the term emu |
| 14:24.40 | incorrect | yeah i know that webmin'ing isn't smart |
| 14:24.44 | abrotman | so don't use it |
| 14:24.58 | Jenkens | abrotman: switch term to something else you mean? i guess i'm at a loss |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | webmin at this point is not available in etch or sid .. so relying on it is probably not a good idea |
| 14:25.05 | abrotman | Jenkens: echo $TERM |
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| 14:25.14 | incorrect | i just wondered if there were some good tools, guess the correct answer was no |
| 14:25.16 | Jenkens | abrotman: alright, it's set to 'xterm' now |
| 14:26.15 | Persilon | SeanTater: I'm still having issues with python... it seems to have installed sqlobject from python 2.4 and I'm running 2.3 |
| 14:27.08 | DerJamster | heh, 'Obsoleted in Debian' is misleading. 'Discontinued in Debian' more like. |
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| 14:27.27 | incorrect | is shorewall any good? |
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| 14:27.48 | Jenkens | abrotman: hrm, if i set it to vt100 all is well |
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| 14:28.00 | SeanTater | Persilon: I do not see any package with sqlobject anywhere in it's name or description |
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| 14:28.25 | Persilon | SeanTater: I have sqlobject, python2.2-sqlobject and python2.3-sqlobject |
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| 14:28.53 | Jenkens | interesting, all my backspace issues were because of how putty had the term set? |
| 14:28.54 | Persilon | SeanTater: I try to install python2.3-sqlobject but I get this errors: http://pastebin.ca/110237 |
| 14:28.56 | Jenkens | whack |
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| 14:29.38 | blondie | Ferret: beep |
| 14:29.42 | blondie | oops |
| 14:29.45 | chjunior | people, can you help-me? |
| 14:30.18 | lunitik | Jenkens: whack what? (you mean wack) |
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| 14:30.32 | Thanatermesis | is SIGTERM the correct signal for close a program ? |
| 14:30.39 | lunitik | chjunior: maybe... only if you give us a hint as to your issue though... |
| 14:30.44 | Jenkens | lunitik: semantics aside. |
| 14:30.57 | chjunior | every executable file says "No such file or directory" |
| 14:31.12 | lunitik | chjunior: echo $PATH |
| 14:31.29 | chjunior | lunitik, every executable file says "No such file or directory" |
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| 14:31.56 | lunitik | chjunior: can you do things like /usr/bin/someexecfile? |
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| 14:34.06 | chjunior | lunitik, well, the common executable files from /usr/bin works fine, but firefox for example doesn't works..... |
| 14:34.15 | chjunior | lunitik, my arch is amd64 |
| 14:34.23 | stew | chjunior: what does "which firefox" say? |
| 14:34.41 | cydork | chjunior: <lunitik> chjunior: echo $PATH |
| 14:34.41 | lunitik | chjunior: firefox is in /usr/bin |
| 14:34.50 | gentgeen__ | incorrect, I like IPCop better, but then again, I did not use s.w. for very long |
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| 14:35.26 | incorrect | thats a different distro |
| 14:35.48 | chjunior | lunitik, firefox I installed from the official mozilla package, not from apt-get |
| 14:35.54 | knt | OT: Can anybody help with a rrdtool related problem? |
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| 14:36.04 | chjunior | $ /opt/mozilla/firefox/firefox-bin |
| 14:36.06 | chjunior | bash: /opt/mozilla/firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory |
| 14:36.23 | lunitik | chjunior: for the last time... echo $PATH |
| 14:36.26 | chjunior | $ echo $PATH |
| 14:36.55 | chjunior | .. /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
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| 14:37.25 | stew | chjunior: what does "which firefox" say? or "which firefox-bin" or whatever you are having trouble with? |
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| 14:38.00 | lunitik | chjunior: ok... but you're using full path for firefox ... use tab complete to ensure you're using correct path? |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | Jenkens: see :) |
| 14:38.19 | stew | chjunior: what does "file /opt/mozilla/firefox/firefox-bin" say? |
| 14:38.22 | chjunior | lunitik, I used tab complete =/ |
| 14:38.32 | incorrect | oh iptables has lost its init scripts |
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| 14:38.46 | stew | incorrect: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 14:38.51 | chjunior | bash: /opt/mozilla/firefox/firefox-bin: No such file or directory |
| 14:38.59 | gentgeen__ | incorrect, sorry for that info earlier, I was thinking shorewall was smoothwall |
| 14:39.03 | stew | chjunior: so what is the question exactly? |
| 14:39.35 | stew | chjunior: i thought it was "every executable file says "No such file or directory"", but i guess maybe its, why do non-existant files say "no such file or directory"? |
| 14:39.37 | chjunior | stew, well... the file exists but the system says that the file doesn't exists |
| 14:39.40 | inc|freaky | Hi all. I need the Mail::Internet Package for Perl but it doesnt seem to be in the packages ... how can I install it on Debian? (running Etch) |
| 14:39.46 | stew | chjunior: what makes you say the file exists? |
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| 14:40.23 | lunitik | stew: theoretically, he's using tab complete ... which would say it exists... idgi |
| 14:40.25 | stew | chjunior: what does "file /opt/mozilla/firefox/firefox-bin" say? |
| 14:41.04 | incorrect | ok fair enough, |
| 14:41.40 | lunitik | chjunior: any particular reason you're using firefox from mozilla? 2.0 beta or something? |
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| 14:44.28 | gentgeen__ | incorrect, I'm curious to why you are looking for IPTable stuff, is that box directly on the Internet? |
| 14:45.03 | incorrect | im building a nat box |
| 14:45.23 | chjunior | lunitik, well, the firefox is 1.5 |
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| 14:45.30 | chjunior | lunitik, the file really exists |
| 14:45.52 | gentgeen__ | incorrect, is this a dedicated box? if so then maybe look at some of the special distros for such |
| 14:46.16 | incorrect | i've always used debian in the past |
| 14:46.40 | lunitik | chjunior: 1.5 is in the archive... use that instead. |
| 14:46.52 | incorrect | why do i need a special distro? |
| 14:47.12 | stew | chjunior: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:47.32 | lunitik | incorrect: I think thats his way of saying he doesn't know ;) |
| 14:47.53 | lunitik | stew: amd64 is only part of etch and sid afaik? |
| 14:48.31 | chjunior | stew, debian amd64 testing/unstable |
| 14:48.46 | incorrect | i've used debian to build bridges, routers, firewalls with many vpn connections doing all sorts of stuff with snort squid and things |
| 14:49.21 | stew | lunitik: officially yes, but amd64 on sarge is available unofficially |
| 14:49.32 | gentgeen__ | incorrect, you don't... but I saw you asking for various gui's ... just a thought to make life a bit easier |
| 14:49.34 | stew | chjunior: why aren't you using the debian packages of firefox? |
| 14:49.44 | gentgeen__ | isn't that why you are looking for GUIs anyway? |
| 14:49.51 | stew | chjunior: and why won't you tell me the output of "file /opt/mozilla/firefox/firefox-bin"? |
| 14:49.59 | lunitik | stew: I've asked him that, he dodged :( |
| 14:50.05 | incorrect | gentgeen__: i said rather than just restore my rule set, i would like to see what web based admins were around |
| 14:50.10 | chjunior | stew, I don't know :D I aways used the mozilla package because is always more updated |
| 14:50.10 | incorrect | i've never used any |
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| 14:50.41 | chjunior | stew, I'll try :D |
| 14:50.44 | gentgeen__ | I see, missed that post... sorry... I will just sit back in the shadows again ^_^ |
| 14:51.48 | thingfish | Firefox 1.5.0.5 is available for sarge at backports.org. |
| 14:52.15 | lunitik | thingfish: etch/unstable user.... |
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| 14:53.54 | incorrect | are there any free dynamic dns services these days? |
| 14:54.37 | cydork | incorrect: i guess you can try this http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/ |
| 14:55.02 | incorrect | i used to use ddts.net |
| 14:55.19 | Ronin | no-ip.com if you dont mind a no-ip at the end |
| 14:55.36 | cydork | incorrect: there is a debian package for dyndns :P |
| 14:55.59 | cydork | incorrect: ^^ translates as i am lazy |
| 14:56.07 | incorrect | ;) |
| 14:57.16 | gentgeen__ | incorrect, I use dyndns.... but you are limited to their name space (YOURCHOICE.$ONEOFTHERE.net/com |
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| 14:58.24 | lunitik | gentgeen__: for people that want something free, I'm not sure thats really a stumbling block.... |
| 14:58.43 | gentgeen__ | lunitik, true |
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| 14:58.49 | xerophyte | with dpkg how can i list all the package which has the ldap on the description which is installed on the server |
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| 14:59.07 | gentgeen__ | cydork, a package for it? |
| 14:59.11 | lunitik | xerophyte: dpkg -l | grep ldap ? |
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| 14:59.33 | lunitik | xerophyte: dpkg -l | grep ldap | grep ^ii ? |
| 15:00.16 | cydork | gentgeen__: i use ddclient but there are few more |
| 15:00.54 | xerophyte | thx |
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| 15:00.58 | gentgeen__ | cydork, thanks |
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| 15:02.32 | byteshack | on my debian box, what rotates the auth.log? I can't find where those things are configured to rotate every x days |
| 15:02.55 | lunitik | byteshack: logrotate ? |
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| 15:03.27 | byteshack | I could not find anything relevant to auth.log in /etc/logrotate |
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| 15:05.43 | lunitik | Alphax: it'll stop? |
| 15:05.59 | Alphax | lunitik, yeah, possibly. |
| 15:06.12 | Alphax | I was hoping it would resume when I restarted it :( |
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| 15:07.29 | cydork | byteshack: do you have logcheck installed? |
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| 15:09.27 | byteshack | nope... |
| 15:09.53 | mne | hi. i just bought a new cell phone, a sony ericsson w700i. unfortunately, only copying mp3s to the phone does not work. the phone claims that copying music to the phone requires usage of SE's disc2phone software (windows only). is anyone aware of a debian/linux software that can to this. (of course any other solution is welcome as well). If I won't find anything, I'll try out this piece of software on a window$ box and see what it doe |
| 15:09.53 | mne | s. I guess it should not be too hard to "reverse engineer" its functionality. |
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| 15:10.48 | cydork | mne: why not use bluetooth ?? |
| 15:11.17 | DragonD | so, is there a way to get aptitude to download say 5 files at once instead of 1 or 2? |
| 15:11.38 | Alphax | lunitik, well, wget does.... |
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| 15:12.07 | Alphax | eh, the scan finished. I've got a corrupt ISO :( |
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| 15:12.17 | lunitik | Alphax: true... |
| 15:12.22 | huhabla | hi |
| 15:12.36 | mne | cydork, that's not the problem. I can connect to the phone (using BT, USB or directly access the memory card). I can also copy mp3s to the disk and the phone does even show the artists' names. it just doesn't play the files. instead it prints out an error message that one has to use this SE disc2phone software ;( |
| 15:12.46 | lunitik | !hi huhabla |
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| 15:13.53 | huhabla | I would like to ask if anybody else has problems with all GTK applications if using them within KDE? |
| 15:14.14 | huhabla | I'm using debai testin (etch) and the fonts aof all GTK apps are not displayed |
| 15:14.27 | lunitik | huhabla: only one I use is Firefox... and it seems fine... |
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| 15:14.40 | lunitik | huhabla: amd64 (or ia64) ? |
| 15:15.06 | lunitik | huhabla: someone was in here yesterday with the same issue, although its not applicable for i386 |
| 15:15.07 | huhabla | sorry: Linux kiel 2.6.16-2-486 #1 Sat Jul 15 21:23:01 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:15.43 | incorrect | ah man dhis.org isn't free anymore |
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| 15:17.05 | huhabla | lunitik: if i tell firefox to not use pango, the fonts are displayed |
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| 15:17.47 | row | Anyone know of a tool that can do a recursive ftp site->site copy but by downloading it then uploading without fxp? |
| 15:17.54 | lunitik | huhabla: I use gtk2-engines-gtk-qt ... maybe thats why I don't see issues? also, using Sid, maybe there are issues with this in etch? |
| 15:17.55 | huhabla | This is a strange error, it appeared one or two weeks ago |
| 15:18.02 | row | I need to duplicate a client's ftp space. |
| 15:18.36 | row | must be cli too, as I want to use my colo to speed it up as doing it on my dsl will take a age |
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| 15:19.38 | huhabla | lunitik: i think this problem is only in etch since the last updates, i cant use gvim, gaim, gimp ... |
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| 15:20.42 | lunitik | Actually, I use kate for text editing mostly, but yeah |
| 15:21.03 | Coke | Hi! I've been searching for a small program that can record video from a v4l device into a regular mpeg stream. So far I've tried xawtv, gqcam and qcam, but none of them can do it. MythTV is way too big. Any suggestions for something small and useful? |
| 15:21.17 | huhabla | lunitik: me too, because gvim is not useable |
| 15:21.20 | Alphax | eh. I'll mount the isos and see what I can recover off them.... |
| 15:21.29 | Alphax | downthemall did wierd things. |
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| 15:21.39 | skrewz | Coke: It ain't small, but mencoder should be able to do it. |
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| 15:22.29 | lunitik | huhabla: krita supports a few things that gimp doesn't right now... like 16bit colorspaces etc... maybe time to give it a try? (its very simular to gimp, moreso like gimpshop if you recall that?) |
| 15:22.31 | Coke | skrewz: tried it, it can't record audio properly and it segfaults when I quit which messes up the stream at the end. |
| 15:22.45 | Coke | skrewz: I could go with a console program too. |
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| 15:22.56 | lunitik | huhabla: kopete also is very nice, has some things by default that gaim folks refuse to include in the default app |
| 15:23.17 | huhabla | lunitik: thanks i will try it :) .... but this solve not the font problems :( |
| 15:23.56 | lunitik | huhabla: its a temp work around though... and a good chance to see some changes in apps you might not have taken a look at in a while :D |
| 15:23.58 | skrewz | Coke: O.k., well. It was my suggestion... As I thought you'd want to automate it. |
| 15:24.39 | Coke | skrewz: well, if mencoder was more stable and all the planned features were working it'd be the best choice for sure. |
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| 15:26.13 | cydork | Coke: what about camstream?? |
| 15:26.18 | Coke | cydork: it can't do video. |
| 15:26.48 | huhabla | lunitik: thank you very much for your help, is there maybe a special debain irc channel for bug reports or debian testing? |
| 15:26.56 | cydork | Coke: i belive it can!! |
| 15:27.01 | Coke | cydork: hm. |
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| 15:27.19 | Coke | cydork: not the debian etch version |
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| 15:28.10 | lunitik | huhabla: not really... bugs.debian.org ... |
| 15:28.17 | lunitik | !reportbug |
| 15:28.17 | dpkg | i heard reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
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| 15:28.21 | cydork | Coke: ohh ok!! |
| 15:28.37 | Coke | cydork: but... I could be persuaded to download and build it. |
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| 15:29.04 | huhabla | lunitik: ok will do it :) |
| 15:29.07 | lunitik | huhabla: it _should_ already be reported though |
| 15:29.29 | lunitik | huhabla: unless yesterdays person with the same issue was too lazy... |
| 15:29.41 | cydork | Coke: :) |
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| 15:30.27 | Coke | cydork: it looks like I have to write my own software. |
| 15:30.50 | d4t2ilL4 | whats the easiest console based cdburning tool? |
| 15:31.00 | Coke | d4t2ilL4: what do you want to do? |
| 15:31.16 | Coke | d4t2ilL4: mp3burn burns mp3s, oggs and wavs as CD tracks |
| 15:31.18 | d4t2ilL4 | just burn tar.bz files |
| 15:31.35 | Coke | d4t2ilL4: for CD or DVD? |
| 15:31.38 | d4t2ilL4 | something i can set and forget |
| 15:31.39 | d4t2ilL4 | yeah |
| 15:31.42 | d4t2ilL4 | for CD |
| 15:32.07 | Coke | d4t2ilL4: mkisofs and cdrecord. |
| 15:32.46 | Coke | d4t2ilL4: mkisofs -l -o the_iso_image.iso some_dir_with_files/ ; cdrecord -Z /dev/cdrom the_iso_image.iso |
| 15:32.59 | cydork | Coke: hey try http://avifile.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:33.13 | huhabla | lunitik: ok i will search the bug reports bevor i post |
| 15:33.20 | Coke | cydork: did you just google that for me? aaaw. that's so cute! |
| 15:33.43 | d4t2ilL4 | Coke, do I need to specify my cdrom type? |
| 15:34.13 | cydork | Coke: i have bookmarked this site http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
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| 15:34.28 | cydork | Coke: used it few times :P |
| 15:34.53 | Coke | cydork: it looks promising. |
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| 15:38.48 | Sypher | Guys, a question ... how could i forward a public IP address from a firewall into an internal machine ? (different ip address in a different subnet) ? |
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| 15:39.26 | N0S3 | Sypher with DNAT |
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| 15:39.47 | Coke | Sypher: try Shorewall. It has good tutorials and makes firewalling easy. |
| 15:39.58 | d4t2ilL4 | Coke, thanks for pointing out that command, is there a way you can check if the iso is 700mg? i mean, what happen if its over 700mb? |
| 15:40.00 | N0S3 | Coke: yes |
| 15:40.07 | Sypher | N0S3, i will get infoes 'bout that thanks, Coke, oke i will try that too! ;) |
| 15:40.39 | Coke | d4t2ilL4: why don't you ls -lh the_iso_image.iso before and see for yourself? |
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| 15:40.51 | vick | What's a good battery observer ? |
| 15:40.53 | vick | for laptops. |
| 15:41.03 | Coke | d4t2ilL4: also, if your burner is from this era it will detect the max capacity and discontinue if it's insufficient. |
| 15:41.15 | Coke | Sypher: http://www.shorewall.net/ |
| 15:41.27 | d4t2ilL4 | Coke, I could do that but i will not be there most of the time, so i am just want to see the case if the iso is bigger than a CD, would it give me an error? |
| 15:41.44 | d4t2ilL4 | Coke, thank you. |
| 15:42.03 | cydork | vick: i use gnome battery mornitor :P !! one for xfce is nice too :P or you can use /proc :) |
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| 15:42.24 | vick | cydork, what's gnome battery monitor name ? |
| 15:42.25 | power1 | I know this is probably a silly question, but how do I copy a directory thats space seperated via scp the directory lloks like this if i do an ls " XP\ Pro-2" error looks like this " scp: /var/vm/XP: No such file or directory " any ideas? |
| 15:42.25 | Sypher | Coke, the thing is that i think i have a pretty uncommon network here, so i doubt i could implement that into my case fully ... |
| 15:42.55 | Sypher | Coke, think that with just forwarding the incoming packets to the internal server, and natting the internal server to the outside, it could work ? |
| 15:43.37 | FromTo | I got a problem with wireless connection. I have the key and essid and all but it is not working correctly. PS. I am now on window box on the same computer(dual boot) and works fine. This is the problem: Everytime I configure madwifi with iwconfig and the essid, key, chanel, I can only connect for few miutes. However if I ssh within this time period to a server the connection stays up for te ssh session but nothing else. so I cannot get my mail, web bro |
| 15:43.37 | FromTo | wser, etc to work. Any ideas? |
| 15:44.25 | Coke | Sypher: that is how NAT is usualy setup |
| 15:44.39 | cydork | vick: gnome-power-manager |
| 15:44.50 | Sypher | Coke, ok i will go on with that try then, thanks for support |
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| 15:45.21 | vick | cydork, Thanks a lot |
| 15:45.39 | Coke | Sypher: it's easier if you have specific problems. read the shorewall docs and try to use it and if you run into any problems come back here. |
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| 15:46.07 | Sypher | Coke, my specific problem is that i dont actually remember the iptables command to forward an ip address to another one. |
| 15:46.32 | zimnyx | On my box only incominng connections are possible (Apache + SSH are visible). Is it possible to let somehow outgoing connections? for example using tunel + proxy on remote box ? btw i can;t set up tunel using ssh -n -L 1234:remotehost:5678 remotehost, because outgoing connections are impossible. |
| 15:46.37 | cydork | Sypher: if you are a a newbie try firestarter ;) |
| 15:46.45 | Coke | Sypher: it is complicated. The new netfilter is very advanced and has a load of features. you should really try to use a higher level software like shorewall. |
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| 15:46.51 | power1 | I know this is probably a silly question, but how do I copy a directory thats space seperated via scp the directory lloks like this if i do an ls " XP\ Pro-2" error looks like this " scp: /var/vm/XP: No such file or directory " any ideas? |
| 15:47.07 | Spec | zimnyx: you're gonna wanna google for something like reverse proxy ssh tunneling |
| 15:47.33 | Sypher | Coke, cydork, i will see what i can do with those, thanks for support ;) |
| 15:47.35 | Sypher | let ya know |
| 15:48.07 | inc|freaky | hi all, im trying to get ssl working, but i get 500 OOPS: SSL: cannot load RSA certificate - i have rsa_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/vsftpd.pem in the vsftpd.conf and the file is readable ... can someone help me? |
| 15:48.10 | zimnyx | Spec: thanks! |
| 15:48.56 | inc|freaky | im taölking about vsdtpd ;) |
| 15:49.44 | Spec | zimnyx: good luck |
| 15:49.51 | abrotman | tell me about this dtpd .. i've never used it |
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| 15:52.18 | lunitik | abrotman: Network Dictionary Protocol afaict |
| 15:52.25 | abrotman | it wsa a joke |
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| 15:52.36 | agentbob | the apache2 config files seem to be all over the place in debian... i'm used to the old 1.3 everything in httpd.conf setup... are there any docs for the new config i can read up on? |
| 15:52.39 | inc|freaky | vsftpd i mean |
| 15:53.10 | pablus | Hi! fast question: How I can get server's information about the CPU in debian? |
| 15:53.27 | Fox | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:53.29 | pablus | I guess cat /proc/ something.. |
| 15:53.31 | pablus | ok |
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| 15:54.24 | abrotman | agentbob: they should all be under /etc/apache2/ |
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| 15:54.55 | Drakeson | !mplayer |
| 15:54.55 | dpkg | well, mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 15:55.02 | alex_ | how do I search for a string in a bunch of file with the commandline ? |
| 15:55.04 | agentbob | abrotman: right but the example httpd.conf file in there is empty |
| 15:55.16 | FromTo | alex_ try grep |
| 15:55.18 | agentbob | alex_: grep string files* |
| 15:55.28 | abrotman | agentbob: /etc/apache2/sites-available/ or something like that |
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| 15:55.59 | roue | hola |
| 15:56.00 | zimnyx | Spec: thanks. |
| 15:56.06 | lunitik | !es |
| 15:56.07 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:56.08 | agentbob | abrotman: right, 'or something like that' :) trying to figure out what all that is |
| 15:56.50 | roue | can anyone point me to directions for renewing / recreating an expired public key? I'm using gpg. my key has expired and I can't encrypt anything with it any more. I started using GPG about a year ago and ... well, this is the first time I've run into an expiration. thanks. |
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| 15:56.57 | alex_ | agentbob: for ex, grep this /var/* ? |
| 15:57.20 | abrotman | agentbob: no .. i mean .. that's where they are .. i may have mistyped the dir |
| 15:57.41 | brothers | i tried mixing testing and unstable, how do i list all installed unstable packages? |
| 15:57.44 | IfkaPfel | Can you suggest a program which lets me draw graphs and the like (with mathematical symbols like Pi, Rho, etc.)? |
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| 15:58.01 | alex_ | Can someone give me an example cos it does not work for me |
| 15:58.07 | Spec | zimnyx: does it work? |
| 15:58.11 | agentbob | abrotman: yeah theres a default file in there with some virtualhost directives... like i said the config file seems to have been split up into a number of locations... would be nice to have some docs to know whats going on |
| 15:58.17 | agentbob | alex: should work |
| 15:58.21 | alex_ | grep "funny" /var/ ? |
| 15:58.21 | lunitik | brothers: if you didn't pin ... and you dist-upgrade'd ... everything is now unstable |
| 15:58.24 | agentbob | alex_: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:58.33 | lunitik | brothers: if you pinned, you ought to know whats from where |
| 15:58.41 | agentbob | alex_: grep -R funny /var/*; if you want it to do recursively |
| 15:58.44 | alex_ | to find where I have an url in a bunch of file |
| 15:58.50 | alex_ | ok |
| 15:59.03 | agentbob | or was it -r |
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| 15:59.13 | abrotman | agentbob: check apache.org |
| 15:59.58 | agentbob | abrotman: if i install apache from source the layout is totally different, so I assumed it's a debian thing... |
| 16:01.08 | abrotman | agentbob: check /usr/share/doc/apache2-common/ ? |
| 16:01.16 | lunitik | abrotman: is it possible to do something like 'apt-cache policy * | grep sid' ? |
| 16:01.31 | lunitik | abrotman: to see all packages that are from sid... |
| 16:01.49 | agentbob | abrot: thanks |
| 16:01.52 | abrotman | lunitik: moment |
| 16:02.36 | brothers | lunitik: i set pin-priorities, like * unstable 600, * testing 650 |
| 16:02.42 | Jenkens | bwee |
| 16:03.16 | abrotman | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy |
| 16:03.22 | abrotman | lunitik: and grep for whatever you want |
| 16:03.27 | abrotman | i'm sure there's a far more elegant solution |
| 16:03.35 | lunitik | abrotman: thank you :D |
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| 16:04.22 | farous | hi I have etch installed here. Can any one help with config evolution to use the spell checker. I opened the composer pref and it does not show installed dicto. Running on Canadian locale and having aspell installed |
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| 16:04.27 | lunitik | brothers: you really ought to know then what you've gotten from unstable... default should be testing for everything... what abrotman just said also applies to you though... |
| 16:04.58 | brothers | nice, thanks to both of you |
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| 16:05.21 | Jenkens | gahh |
| 16:05.39 | Jenkens | abrotman: backspace isn't entirely fixed. gah |
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| 16:06.52 | SuperNoob | hi there |
| 16:07.21 | SuperNoob | euh I have a problem |
| 16:07.36 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... grep sid only returns the line that has sid in it... which isn't really useful... want it to output packages that are from a particular dist... |
| 16:07.41 | pablus | Hmmm other fast question: How I can get IO throuput from server's disk? |
| 16:08.01 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 16:08.07 | lunitik | abrotman: only, the output of policy makes that difficult to do with my limited knowledge of regex :( |
| 16:08.10 | SuperNoob | I have downloaded the minimal cd of the last debian version, I have just burned it but i can not boot on it |
| 16:08.36 | Coke | cydork: have you managed to compile avifile? |
| 16:08.46 | SuperNoob | I have no more informations |
| 16:08.52 | lunitik | abrotman: would be better if policy returned only one line for each package... but it doesn't :( |
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| 16:08.54 | pablus | I guess vmstat ... for to get IO Throughput |
| 16:09.02 | pablus | It's correct? |
| 16:09.04 | Sypher | Coke, done it :) |
| 16:09.04 | SuperNoob | the md5 of the iso is correct |
| 16:09.07 | Coke | cydork: "renderer.cpp:1550: error: 'iDescent' was not declared in this scope" and I have no idea what is required. |
| 16:09.14 | Jenkens | nevermind. |
| 16:09.21 | Coke | Sypher: do you know what library is missing? |
| 16:09.36 | Sypher | Coke, no i was talking about my networking problem that i exposed earlier... |
| 16:09.48 | farous | is there a package i need to install to enable spell checking in evolution other then aspell |
| 16:09.55 | raf256 | why the default sftp client in debian do not support sftp protocol? |
| 16:09.56 | Sypher | Coke, forwarded the incoming ip, natted the internal lan and now its working like a charm. :) |
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| 16:10.50 | k31th | how can i turn syntax highlighting on in vi / vim ? |
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| 16:12.22 | stew | raf256: the sftp client in debian supports sftp |
| 16:12.40 | raf256 | stew: it not support important part of sftp protocol - resume |
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| 16:12.45 | raf256 | *do not |
| 16:12.47 | cydork | Coke: nope never compiled it :P |
| 16:12.48 | NewGirl | installed an ati card but only showing 800x600. how can i get 1024x768 or better? |
| 16:13.03 | raf256 | NewGirl: perhaps edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf - near end of fiel |
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| 16:13.13 | azeem | raf256: eh, no |
| 16:13.21 | farous | NewGirl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:13.22 | azeem | raf256: don't tell people to edit X config directly, please |
| 16:13.22 | cydork | NewGirl: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:13.32 | raf256 | azeem: why not O_ |
| 16:13.42 | lunitik | k31th: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Vim-HOWTO.html <-- should be helpful? |
| 16:13.44 | azeem | raf256: because that breaks the debconf system |
| 16:13.51 | CAiRO | how can i get startup notification for java applications? they need a long time before the first window appears and they don't show up in the window list before that |
| 16:14.06 | cydork | !xorgmd5 |
| 16:14.06 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf/md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've mad |
| 16:14.08 | NewGirl | thanks all. had to reboot. will try in a few. |
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| 16:14.35 | stew | raf256: debian's sftp (which is the openbsd implementation) doesn't support resume becuase nobody has added it yet, a patch to add it would be welcomed |
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| 16:16.05 | Drakeson | what should I use to play a .bin/cue video? |
| 16:16.12 | Coke | Sypher: did you do it manually with iptables? |
| 16:16.26 | Sypher | Coke, ye im writing the script right now |
| 16:16.44 | Sypher | im finished with the forwarding, ip aliasing and masquerading right now |
| 16:16.50 | Sypher | and im going to write the firewall ruleset. |
| 16:17.03 | Drakeson | I used to just "mplayer whatever.bin" ... |
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| 16:17.41 | pablus | fast question: in redhat I get iostat .. but in debian ??? which command is ?? |
| 16:18.10 | lunitik | !find iostat |
| 16:18.21 | pablus | !find iostat |
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| 16:18.32 | dpkg | vaiostat-source: (Sony Vaio status and control kernel module (source)), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.2-7 (sid), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 16:18.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iostat' (5 of 8): (/usr/bin/iostat) in admin/sysstat ;; (/usr/src/vaiostat.tar.gz) in misc/vaiostat-source ;; (/usr/share/munin/plugins/iostat) in net/munin-node ;; (/usr/share/nagios2/htdocs/docs/nagiostats.html) in doc/nagios2-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.17/Documentation/iostats.txt.gz) in doc/linux-doc-2.6.17. |
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| 16:19.08 | lunitik | pablus: why repeat? you want sysstat though :/ |
| 16:19.18 | shafire | where can i find apache2.2.3 .deb 4 debian? |
| 16:19.33 | pablus | lunitik: sorry but I'm newby here |
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| 16:20.06 | mbishop | Is libsdl1.2debian breakage a known issue for unstable? |
| 16:20.19 | stew | mbishop: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 16:21.22 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 16:21.41 | lunitik | !sid |
| 16:21.42 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 16:22.08 | lunitik | That used to say Unstable uses need to be using apt-listbugs ... damnit |
| 16:22.13 | mbishop | hate to break it to you, but the bug tracking system doesn't always have the answers :P |
| 16:22.25 | lunitik | men |
| 16:22.27 | lunitik | meh* |
| 16:22.30 | lunitik | !unstable |
| 16:22.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 16:22.40 | ShredZ | I have a wireless router that needs 5V at 2.5A, but I only have a 5V 3.8A adapter. Will this damage the router or is it pretty safe ? |
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| 16:23.14 | lunitik | mbishop: if its not there now, you need to add it... |
| 16:23.24 | stew | ShredZ: 3.8 is the maximum the adapter can put out, as long as the voltage is right, its only going to put out whatever the router draws |
| 16:23.25 | lunitik | mbishop: its not a bug if its not in bts |
| 16:23.37 | lunitik | mbishop: just an annoyance for some users |
| 16:23.50 | mbishop | I think the main problem is libdirectfb is missing |
| 16:24.00 | stew | ShredZ: (v=ir, so as long as v is correct i will be determinied by the r of the router) |
| 16:24.20 | lunitik | mbishop: cool... get some useful info together, and go file a bug, make yourself useful ;) |
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| 16:24.54 | mbishop | meh, I'm too lazy |
| 16:25.07 | lunitik | mbishop: then you get to live with the bug... |
| 16:25.24 | stew | ShredZ: you also need to make sure the polarity is correct though which is the little diagram that looks like - ----C---- +, |
| 16:25.36 | mbishop | Until someone fixes it :P |
| 16:25.48 | lunitik | mbishop: how can they fix it if they don't know about it? |
| 16:26.00 | mbishop | I'm sure they know about it, it's breaking a lot of stuff |
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| 16:26.11 | stew | mbishop: if its not in the bts they probably don't know about it |
| 16:27.02 | stew | mbishop: please file a bug if you have found an unreported one |
| 16:27.04 | lunitik | mbishop: you shouldn't be using unstable if you can't be asked to actually help out |
| 16:27.47 | mbishop | stew: Actually I don't think I saw a DIRECT bug, but apparently a fix is installing libdirectfb-dev, which pulls in a new libdirectfb, but some packages still depend on an old libdirectfb which isn't there...*shrug* |
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| 16:28.26 | Coke | cydork: avifile doesn't even compile properly. they have autoconf errors as well as programming errors. |
| 16:28.38 | mbishop | lunitik: sure I should be, I can use whatever I like, I'm just too lazy to deal with debian's detachment from the community |
| 16:29.20 | lunitik | mbishop: then you give up the right to complain. |
| 16:29.33 | lunitik | mbishop: have fun with the bug |
| 16:29.48 | cydork | Coke: Hope you didn't download developer's source :P |
| 16:29.49 | mbishop | I wasn't complaining, just asking if anyone here has had the same problem, you don't have to be so stereotypically elitist :) |
| 16:30.31 | Coke | cydork: both the release and the CVS version |
| 16:30.34 | Coke | cydork: neither works. |
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| 16:30.57 | Coke | cydork: I don't even understand why they bother with version numbers, it's clearly in some sort of alpha stage. |
| 16:31.28 | lunitik | mbishop: I'm not being stereotypically elitist... I just think its immoral to leach software from a community without doing what you can to help out. |
| 16:31.32 | cydork | Coke: i just checked their website they have rpms :P |
| 16:31.43 | cydork | Coke: want to try alien works :P |
| 16:31.50 | Coke | cydork: naw. |
| 16:31.53 | cydork | Coke: ?? |
| 16:32.07 | mbishop | lunitik: Ah, you're an RMS clone eh? Well then it's probably an idicator of my preference to the BSD license over the silly GPL, but *shrug* |
| 16:32.12 | Coke | cydork: I'll just scour the net looking for one. |
| 16:32.17 | stew | lunitik: mbishop: please drop it |
| 16:32.19 | cydork | Coke: You can try, Now harm in trying :P |
| 16:32.47 | Coke | cydork: with alien there might be harm. |
| 16:33.31 | cydork | Coke: Well that dpepends :) |
| 16:34.53 | cydork | Coke: Hey are you blind or what ? :p ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ has it |
| 16:35.08 | stew | !tell cydork about marillat |
| 16:35.24 | cydork | stew: thanks but i know about it :P |
| 16:35.35 | stew | cydork: aparantly you don't, since you are giving out the wrong url |
| 16:35.44 | Marticus | hrm |
| 16:36.06 | cydork | stew: no m not |
| 16:36.28 | Coke | cydork: 550: no such file or directory |
| 16:36.28 | Marticus | apt-get build-dep swig1.3 on sarge seems to require libchicken-dev which doesn't have a package in sarge |
| 16:36.29 | cydork | stew: ohh it moved :P |
| 16:36.39 | stew | Coke: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:36.48 | mae | postfix or courier for my sendmail replacement, that is the question |
| 16:36.55 | mae | anyone have any thoughts on this? |
| 16:37.06 | Marticus | how is there a build dependency on a package that doesn't exist? |
| 16:37.16 | riwa | Is it slower to compile from within screen than a normal term? |
| 16:37.16 | finn23 | I just ran "apt-get upgrade" now firefox says: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: undefined symbol: pango_xft_get_font_map |
| 16:37.20 | stew | Marticus: which package? which dependency? |
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| 16:37.25 | Marticus | see above |
| 16:38.02 | Marticus | swig1.3 libchicken-dev |
| 16:38.05 | Coke | stew: it has no public key so I can't use it, or whatever. |
| 16:38.19 | cydork | Coke: it has check the FAQ |
| 16:38.25 | Coke | Yeah. |
| 16:38.33 | Coke | If I wanted software to be this hard to install I'd use Windows. |
| 16:38.41 | stew | Coke: /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 16:38.47 | brothers | lunitik: what made me wonder about which packages are unstable was apt upgraded mdadm with worrisome warnings in the apt-listchanges mail. but, the same version is in testing and unstable at the moment |
| 16:38.48 | Marticus | newsflash, windows isn't difficult to install |
| 16:38.55 | stew | Coke: if you want non-free software, maybe you shouldn't use debian then |
| 16:39.05 | cydork | Coke: even even saying that is a insult !!! |
| 16:39.15 | Marticus | why be insulted? |
| 16:39.19 | stew | Marticus: swig1.3 doesn't depend on libchicken-dev it depends on chicken-dev which is in sarge |
| 16:39.47 | Marticus | E: Build-Depends dependency for swig1.3 cannot be satisfied because the package libchicken-dev cannot be found |
| 16:40.08 | stew | Marticus: you are not trying to build the sarge version, becuase the sarge version doesn't depend on libchicken-dev |
| 16:40.25 | Coke | stew: exactly. |
| 16:40.26 | Marticus | err, hold |
| 16:40.27 | stew | Marticus: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/swig1.3/swig1.3_1.3.24-1.dsc <- read the Build-Depends there |
| 16:40.49 | Coke | cydork: it should be an insult. I use Debian precisely because I'm a lazy twat. |
| 16:40.56 | stew | Coke: you should be able to install from marillat without the key, but those instructions to install the key should be straightforward |
| 16:41.18 | Coke | stew: yeah, but every time I get through one step I need to do something else. |
| 16:41.27 | finn23 | anybody? |
| 16:41.47 | Coke | stew: it's like I'm in the Goonies and I have to find the pirate treasure, but to do so I must go through the labyrinth of horrors. |
| 16:41.57 | stew | Coke: did "/msg dpkg mariallat key" not work? |
| 16:42.00 | Coke | cydork: well, that's why I use Debian. |
| 16:42.03 | Coke | stew: it did. |
| 16:42.10 | Coke | And now I'm exhausted. |
| 16:42.10 | stew | Coke: what is the problem then? |
| 16:42.15 | Marticus | stew: thanks for the reality check |
| 16:42.17 | Coke | I had to copy and paste the command. |
| 16:42.19 | Marticus | :) |
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| 16:42.44 | Marticus | I guess backporting this is going to be difficult |
| 16:43.26 | stew | Marticus: if the soname didn't change from chicken-dev -> libchicken-dev you could use the chicken-dev, if it did you can backport libchicken as well |
| 16:43.26 | Ronin | want some cheese with that Coke ? |
| 16:43.56 | Marticus | stew: soname? |
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| 16:43.57 | stew | !soname |
| 16:44.00 | stew | hmm |
| 16:44.06 | stew | suprising we don't have that factoid yet |
| 16:44.40 | cydork | stew: what is it? |
| 16:44.45 | stew | Marticus: its basically a version number for a library, you change the version number if and only if the api changes (therefore requiring clients of the library to potentially be altered) |
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| 16:45.03 | Marticus | okay |
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| 16:45.32 | Marticus | I'm backporting chicken :) |
| 16:45.54 | Marticus | it was scary when I tried build-dep libchicken-dev |
| 16:46.01 | Marticus | every development packages was required lol |
| 16:46.48 | stew | Marticus: actually if its chicken-dev and libchicken-dev (and not libchicken1-dev or libchicken0-dev) then the soname should be the same (if the maintiner is following policy) |
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| 16:47.06 | stew | but then again if the maintainer was following policy it would have been libchicken-dev from the start probably |
| 16:47.12 | Marticus | lol |
| 16:47.31 | Marticus | well, I'm building chicken, it should give me the required packages |
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| 16:48.34 | Marticus | I remember trying to figure out debian maintainer policies a while back |
| 16:48.44 | Marticus | back in days of potato |
| 16:48.48 | stew | Marticus: library packaging policy is a bit hairy |
| 16:49.09 | Coke | cydork: well, avifile was too buggy. not even alpha-ready IMO. |
| 16:49.41 | kingsley | Is it possible to discern *how* a computer was most recently shutdown? (ie; by a power outage, ctl-alt-del, etc...) |
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| 16:50.05 | Marticus | look in the last system log |
| 16:50.16 | stew | kingsley: type "last" |
| 16:50.42 | kingsley | Marticus: What should I look for in the last system log? |
| 16:51.13 | cydork | Coke: man you like to whine dont you :P |
| 16:51.18 | Jenkens | sdfas |
| 16:51.19 | Jenkens | bweeeeeeeeee |
| 16:51.26 | Marticus | umm, anything that pertains to shutting down? |
| 16:51.35 | Marticus | but if it was simply removed power from the box |
| 16:51.39 | Marticus | there won't be a log entry |
| 16:51.40 | Jenkens | screen -R |
| 16:51.45 | Jenkens | doh |
| 16:51.50 | finn23 | can somebody help me? I can't even google for a solution without firefox :( |
| 16:52.00 | stew | kingsley: if you type "last" you will see users that were logged in (for instace) from Mon Jul 31 23:19 - crash ; if its a reboot, you will see a "reboot" login, and users will be logged in "- down" instead of "- crash" |
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| 16:52.33 | _tziku | hello, how can i see details about procesor ? type/brand/speed etc. |
| 16:52.45 | stew | kingsley: actually the reboot login is there regardless of crash or reboot, i guess |
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| 16:52.53 | kingsley | stew: OK, thank you. |
| 16:52.56 | Pryon | _theklone: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:53.37 | Coke | cydork: yeah. this sucks. I have the most powerful OS in the history of mankind at my disposal, but I can't record a small movie with my webcam. |
| 16:53.45 | Marticus | stew: wtmp is purged in the morning |
| 16:53.52 | Coke | cydork: this is what owning nuclear weapons must feel like. |
| 16:53.55 | _tziku | thanks predder |
| 16:54.02 | _tziku | Pryon thanks |
| 16:54.10 | Marticus | so if 24 hours passed since reboot... |
| 16:54.12 | _tziku | sorry predder |
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| 16:54.37 | stew | Marticus: on this machine it seems to go back to the Jul 2 |
| 16:54.52 | Marticus | cool |
| 16:54.55 | Pryon | one can record movies with nuclear weapons? |
| 16:54.59 | stew | Marticus: hmm and on my laptop it goes back to 2005/11 |
| 16:55.05 | Marticus | lol |
| 16:55.06 | stew | i should probably look into that one |
| 16:55.11 | Marticus | your wtmp is huge! |
| 16:55.24 | stew | you know what they say about a man with a big wtmp |
| 16:55.26 | Marticus | should be a cron daemon thing |
| 16:55.32 | Marticus | hahaha |
| 16:55.51 | mbishop | heh |
| 16:56.07 | syntaxx | im trying to install wine latest release by source it says font forge is missing how can i install it in debian is it in the apt repositories? |
| 16:56.13 | stew | hmm wtmp is in logrotate.conf |
| 16:56.21 | stew | as a monthly rotation |
| 16:56.30 | Coke | cydork: hehe. ffmpeg gives me some error about not being able to get the capture device, I googled it and found a topic about it in their mailing list. but instead of giving the guy an answer they start a debate on how to quote on mailing lists. hehehe. |
| 16:56.39 | stew | right after the logrotate.d include which means something in there is borked |
| 16:56.55 | Coke | cydork: so, I've tried like five programs now all of which fail to do what they were suposed to do; grab video from a v4l device and encode it to file. |
| 16:57.00 | mbishop | You're momma is such a whore, her wtmp is 2GB |
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| 16:58.17 | abrotman | lunitik: use grep |
| 16:58.26 | etwork | haya all |
| 16:59.06 | cydork | Coke: heheheh i guess it's not you day :) |
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| 17:00.39 | lunitik | !info directfb-0.9-24 sid |
| 17:00.45 | roxy_ | is there a debian tool to install iptables or should I write script and put it in init.rd myself ? |
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| 17:01.35 | Marticus | stew, yeah, logrotate.d should have rotated your wtmp this morning :P |
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| 17:02.33 | kingsley | stew: Do you happen to know if the "last" command, or a similar command, reports a history of who tried to log in, and when they tried to log in? |
| 17:02.37 | Ronin | roxy_: apt-get install perhpas |
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| 17:03.14 | stew | kingsley: no, for tried, you'll have to look at /var/log/auth.log |
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| 17:03.50 | roxy_ | Ronin: I don't mean install the packages, I mean once I got a iptable script putting it in init.d and then creating the proper symlink |
| 17:03.50 | Marticus | E: Build-dependencies for swig1.3 could not be satisfied. |
| 17:04.03 | Marticus | any way to make that more helpful to me? :) |
| 17:04.31 | stew | Marticus: were there not more helpful lines above that one? |
| 17:04.39 | Marticus | nope :) |
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| 17:05.15 | Marticus | I'll try to build it and see |
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| 17:05.45 | Marticus | good god |
| 17:05.53 | Ronin | roxy_: well you didnt say that :) |
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| 17:06.56 | kingsley | stew: Thanks. |
| 17:07.00 | sjau | hiya, I have some troubles with my server: chkrootkit tells me there are some infected files and other stuff. What can I do? http://textpaste.net/3a1ph7 |
| 17:07.44 | JordiGH | Infected files? How fascinating. I wonder if it's like those huge 3d viruses in the Hacker movies. |
| 17:08.10 | dabreegster | JordiGH: I want a filesystem browser like that! |
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| 17:08.13 | MrNaz | JordiGH i had one of those the other day! it was published by Microsoft and they called it "Vista Beta" |
| 17:08.18 | MrNaz | i formatted immediately |
| 17:08.31 | roxy_ | I don't even know if iptables should start before or after interface :( |
| 17:08.38 | JordiGH | MrNaz: Close call! |
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| 17:09.52 | JordiGH | dabreegster: Well, there is... |
| 17:09.54 | JordiGH | !xcruiser |
| 17:10.00 | JordiGH | !info xcruiser |
| 17:10.04 | JordiGH | !info xcruise |
| 17:10.11 | SeanTater | my router seems to be blocking traceroute/netselect, what needs to be done to allow traceroute and netselect? |
| 17:10.13 | dpkg | xcruise: (Fly about a 3D-formed file system), section games, is optional. Version: 0.30-7 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 17:10.35 | dabreegster | JordiGH: Pretty neat |
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| 17:11.00 | JordiGH | dabreegster: Yeah... it's old skool, but does the competition have anything like it? Huh, does it, huh? |
| 17:11.34 | dabreegster | JordiGH: Of course not. |
| 17:12.07 | dabreegster | That Doom patch for process management is pretty spiffy though... |
| 17:12.38 | blondie | !pls |
| 17:12.39 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
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| 17:13.48 | JordiGH | On the other hand.... |
| 17:13.50 | JordiGH | !thx |
| 17:13.50 | dpkg | well, thx is a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. THX is also a certification programme for sound reproduction associated with George Lucas. |
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| 17:15.08 | lunitik | blondie: I hate you, my eyes hurt now :( |
| 17:16.56 | dabreegster | It's not GL? Then I might be able to run it. |
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| 17:18.22 | JordiGH | It's old skool, I told ya. I bet it must have looked a lot more impressive last century. |
| 17:19.04 | sciboy | Hey guys, i just unpacked a debian source package, and i was wondering which file i should put any LDFLAGS i want to compile with. |
| 17:19.08 | cydork | sciboy: rules i guess |
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| 17:19.49 | roxy_ | If I use iptables-restore, would the tables will be there after reboot ? |
| 17:20.21 | abrotman | if you save them |
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| 17:21.11 | roxy_ | abrotman: iptables-save doesn't look like it does it . How should I save them ? |
| 17:21.11 | ecliptik | anyone know what's going on when on boot it says "Begin: Waiting for root file system..." then eventually drops you into a limited shell? |
| 17:21.27 | roxy_ | !initrd |
| 17:21.27 | dpkg | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 17:21.49 | roxy_ | ecliptik: could be a problem of initrd ^ |
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| 17:22.52 | ecliptik | roxy_, ummmm, would using a bleeding edge version of etch be a possibility? |
| 17:22.53 | JordiGH | Convert pdf to png, is there a quick way? |
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| 17:24.06 | farous | JordiGH: imagemagick package |
| 17:24.15 | roxy_ | ecliptik: you need a initrd, etch or sid doesn't matter. |
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| 17:25.33 | ecliptik | roxy_, well I installed it from a daily boot.img on a sun ultrasparc, and I thought the installer did the initrd properly but I guess not |
| 17:25.40 | ecliptik | I've heard udev may be the issue too |
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| 17:26.39 | roxy_ | ecliptik: check if you got an initrd, it could be something else too. udev or wrong name for the root partition. |
| 17:27.04 | ecliptik | roxy_, how would I check for initrd? |
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| 17:28.34 | JordiGH | farous: Ah! convert! I forgot it could do pdf. Thanks! |
| 17:28.49 | roxy_ | ecliptik: have a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst , you'll see a list of bootable kernel, see if you find a line starting with initrd . |
| 17:28.53 | farous | JordiGH: :) |
| 17:29.28 | ecliptik | roxy_, it's a sun sparc so it's using silo, is it the same as it is for grub? |
| 17:30.12 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 17:30.13 | dpkg | it has been said that sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 17:30.35 | samhob | hello all... i please need just some prog names etc.. i would like to copy an entire system to another pc using network ( as a result i would have 2 machine with exactly the same things installed , 2 clones machine) thx for any help and sry for my english |
| 17:30.36 | ecliptik | cool thanks |
| 17:31.47 | GoAuLd | samhob, mindi mondo |
| 17:31.49 | ecliptik | looks like #debian-sparc is dead |
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| 17:33.01 | samhob | mindi mondo ? |
| 17:33.15 | JordiGH | Ack, zapped my x server by mistake. I wish I could rebind that key combo to something else. |
| 17:33.33 | samhob | i though its a recovery software |
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| 17:33.59 | samhob | a question : will tar do it?? ( i tar all the system and untar it o another , lol is this possible) ? |
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| 17:34.34 | JordiGH | samhob: You probably want dd for backing up stuff like that. I recommend the gnuparted frontend. |
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| 17:35.55 | linux_manju | samhob: I doubt it.. Tar is not very happy with open files |
| 17:36.12 | blondie | what program can you use to make certain keys (e.g. multimedia ones) run commands one pressed? |
| 17:36.13 | JordiGH | Uh, strange request, but if there are any Russian or French speakers here, I'd appreciate a bit of proofreading: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/advertisement.png |
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| 17:36.52 | cydork | samhob: do you just want two machines with same things installed and same configration right? |
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| 17:37.07 | JordiGH | blondie: You mean in those fancy schmancy newfangled keyboards out there? |
| 17:37.19 | blondie | JordiGH: yes |
| 17:37.45 | amphi | blondie: do they show in xev? |
| 17:37.51 | concept10 | gosh DSL is horrible (compared to cable) |
| 17:37.55 | JordiGH | blondie: Hmm.... don't know, but I'm going to go google it right now. :-) |
| 17:37.58 | blondie | yes |
| 17:38.11 | JordiGH | ssh #france |
| 17:38.12 | syntaxx | how can i install opengl headers? |
| 17:38.12 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 17:38.20 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 17:38.21 | dpkg | [keytouch] a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
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| 17:38.43 | JordiGH | Thanks, stoned. You saved me some searching. :-) |
| 17:39.00 | stoned | sure |
| 17:39.36 | JordiGH | Is there a French channel in freenode? |
| 17:40.11 | Ronin | !fr |
| 17:40.11 | dpkg | from memory, fr is Les personnes qui parlent francais mais peu ou pas anglais et qui ont besoin d'aide avec Debian peuvent demander sur #debianfr (irc.debian.org). People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debianfr (irc.debian.org) |
| 17:40.36 | Kevin` | "on freenode" |
| 17:40.57 | Ronin | ya that fact needs updating doesnt it |
| 17:41.11 | stoned | no it does not |
| 17:41.11 | Ronin | considering debian.org points to ofct now |
| 17:41.19 | amphi | blondie: keysym or just keycode? |
| 17:41.35 | MatBoy | does someone know how I use splashy with a nvidia card ? I'm talking about this line: #kopt: quiet video=radeonfb:1024x768-32@100 vga=791 |
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| 17:42.50 | JordiGH | Heh, I wonder if there's a way I could construe my request for proofreading my advertisement in French as Debian related. I *did* write it with OO.o and imagemagick. :P |
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| 17:43.46 | stoned | JordiGH, find and join a french irc server |
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| 17:43.57 | JordiGH | I think I'll try efnet. |
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| 17:44.37 | Ronin | umm stoned a french irc server? and the difference there between us is what? |
| 17:44.38 | stoned | I never learned french, though it was always around me |
| 17:44.40 | ubul4 | is the debian installation similar to the gentoo installation? |
| 17:44.49 | Ronin | ubul4: no ours is nice and fast |
| 17:44.51 | blondie | amphi: got it... gconf-editor showed me the way :o |
| 17:44.59 | amphi | blondie: cool |
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| 17:45.14 | JordiGH | ubul4: Nope. No compiling necessary, at all. |
| 17:45.27 | ubul4 | if i download debian-31r2-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent, will that be enough to install the system? |
| 17:45.46 | JordiGH | ubul4: And should get you a dekstop too. |
| 17:46.05 | GoAuLd | !shut ailas |
| 17:46.29 | ecliptik | !udev |
| 17:46.30 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable |
| 17:46.37 | JordiGH | ubul4: Make up your mind before you begin if you want to use stable-but-old Sarge or newer-but-supposedly-bumpier etch. |
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| 17:47.10 | stoned | I'm on my sarge desktop right now |
| 17:47.17 | stoned | its amazing! |
| 17:47.24 | stoned | I can't believe its not butter |
| 17:47.28 | ailas | GoAuLd: ? |
| 17:47.44 | GoAuLd | testing |
| 17:48.00 | ailas | ok :) |
| 17:48.04 | ubul4 | JordiGH: i have downloaded the 31r2, which one is that? |
| 17:48.13 | JordiGH | ubul4: stable-but-old |
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| 17:48.28 | ubul4 | ok, i want bleeding edge. where can i find it? |
| 17:48.36 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 17:48.36 | dpkg | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 17:48.38 | Ronin | ubul4: can you fix it WHEN it breaks? |
| 17:48.39 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. you should't |
| 17:48.41 | stoned | read that |
| 17:48.49 | abrotman | or stoned will now be your personal guide through the hells of unstable |
| 17:48.50 | Ronin | heh i sense a theme |
| 17:48.54 | stoned | hell no |
| 17:49.00 | abrotman | then don't tell them to go there |
| 17:49.13 | stoned | abrotman, well they should read anyway |
| 17:49.28 | abrotman | stoned: the problem is that the page tells them how to do it |
| 17:49.32 | stoned | I'd rather Ronin didn't tell new debian users about etch/unstable anyway |
| 17:49.33 | ubul4 | Ronin: i dont mind a crash now and then |
| 17:49.40 | Ronin | stoned: i didnt |
| 17:49.41 | stoned | Keep it to stable |
| 17:50.01 | ubul4 | which kernel is stable? |
| 17:50.02 | abrotman | ubul4: it's not a crash .. you have to worry about things like libpam getting messed up and not being able to login .. AT ALL |
| 17:50.11 | JordiGH | ubul4: I'm not sure if you can get CDs for bleeding edge Sid, but you should be able to find some for etch. Debian has three distros at any one time, in order of newness and reverse order of stability: stable, testing, and unstable. Testing right now is "sarge", testing right now is "etch" and unstable is forever "sid", the kid from Toy Story who breaks toys. Unstable is a lot more stable than its name suggests, but if there are problems, you're not allowed |
| 17:50.16 | JordiGH | (though we might help anyways). |
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| 17:50.20 | stoned | Ronin, oh right |
| 17:50.32 | ubul4 | i think i will forget about etch |
| 17:50.36 | stoned | Ronin, what the hell did I read! |
| 17:51.00 | stoned | I hallucinated apparantly |
| 17:51.06 | ubul4 | but sarge is 31r2 right? |
| 17:51.07 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:51.17 | JordiGH | abrotman: iyhtays. I just added that one recently to the wtf database. :-) |
| 17:51.20 | inc|freaky | hi all, im trying to get ssl working, but i get 500 OOPS: SSL: cannot load RSA certificate - i have rsa_cert_file=/etc/ssl/certs/vsftpd.pem in the vsftpd.conf and the file is readable ... can someone help me? im talking about vsftpd ;) |
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| 17:51.35 | stoned | I just read you trying to push etch on that dude and here I am trying to find out where the hell it was that I read it |
| 17:51.38 | amphi | ubul4: you can always roll your own kernel if you need to |
| 17:51.38 | abrotman | JordiGH: i'm aware of that .. but if someone has to ask .. don't even bring it up |
| 17:51.40 | kingsley | How are dns entries typically updated for dhcp clients? |
| 17:51.43 | stoned | but I think I might not be completely here |
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| 17:52.05 | mattwestm | how can I set my box to local time instead of UTC? |
| 17:52.09 | inc|freaky | lol hi avilon ;D |
| 17:52.11 | stoned | I'm not a collection of people |
| 17:52.15 | JordiGH | abrotman: Kay. It's just that *I* didn't know about it until a couple of days ago. |
| 17:52.35 | stoned | refer to me not as 'thier' but he/him |
| 17:52.36 | mbishop | mattwestm: you shouldn't set the hardware time to local |
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| 17:52.54 | abrotman | ubul4: really .. things break .. some things can't be installed .. unless you're well versed in using debian i would recommend that you do NOT use unstable/sid |
| 17:52.58 | Ronin | stoned: it? ;) |
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| 17:53.07 | stoned | huh, why? |
| 17:53.31 | stoned | objects don't .. they are all dead |
| 17:53.32 | yarou | vlc package isn't available on etch |
| 17:53.46 | abrotman | kingsley: the dhcp server normally feeds the client a list of them |
| 17:53.52 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in etch |
| 17:53.52 | dpkg | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 17:53.56 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:53.57 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 17:54.16 | stoned | !why is abrotman not in testing |
| 17:54.16 | dpkg | abrotman is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=abrotman |
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| 17:54.23 | stoned | lol |
| 17:54.26 | amphi | heh |
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| 17:54.43 | abrotman | i only exist in unstable ... |
| 17:54.51 | yarou | boohoo |
| 17:55.04 | abrotman | yarou: i will tell you that i got vlc installed on etch .. but it took a while |
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| 17:55.20 | yarou | i'll bet |
| 17:55.21 | stoned | mplayer is the bees knees anyway |
| 17:55.30 | abrotman | this is why you shouldn't use unstable without knowing what oyu're doing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873 |
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| 17:55.58 | amphi | stoned: I agree |
| 17:56.09 | brotherJohn1234 | "mplayer is not available in Debian unstable or testing" .. :( |
| 17:56.24 | yarou | leet |
| 17:56.39 | abrotman | admittedly ... even a person who knows what they're doing would have gotten nabbed by that |
| 17:56.46 | abrotman | brotherJohn1234: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:56.46 | syntaxx | brotherJohn1234, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:56.56 | samhob | yes cydorg : two pc with exactly the same installation etc.. |
| 17:57.09 | samhob | i have done on pc |
| 17:57.13 | amphi | !tell brotherJohn1234 about marillat.etch |
| 17:57.17 | samhob | and would like to transfer and to clone it to another pc |
| 17:57.55 | sciboy | VLC works nicely as a player, as a side-note. You can fix the blocking on quicktime video by going to Preferences -> Input /Codecs -> Other -> FFmpeg -> Skip the loop filter = All |
| 17:58.05 | abrotman | or stuff like this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=59999;archive=yes |
| 17:58.50 | abrotman | erm .. wrong link .. but oh well |
| 17:59.11 | JordiGH | Oh, wow. A bug that does the forbidden command? |
| 17:59.34 | linux_manju | brotherJohn1234: Well Its better to get the source and compile when it comes to mplayer... It runs better that way |
| 17:59.43 | abrotman | JordiGH: read the bug again .. it was supposed to `cd $DIR ; rm <whatever>` but the dir didn't exist .. so it tried to do it from / |
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| 17:59.49 | amphi | linux_manju: the packaged one works fine here |
| 17:59.53 | brotherJohn1234 | linux_manju: thant sounds like fun - will try it. |
| 18:00.01 | stoned | works just as well |
| 18:00.23 | linux_manju | brotherJohn1234: It is not rocket science.. Pretty simple if you follow the rules |
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| 18:00.50 | brotherJohn1234 | linux_manju: dpkg-buildpackage does the trick ? |
| 18:01.28 | JordiGH | abrotman: Pretty bad behaviour. This is like those times when you heard about those syringes with AIDS in them... I'm scared to tread on etch now! |
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| 18:02.53 | blondie | win 23 |
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| 18:03.52 | stoned | I stick to stable/unstable mostly, etch pisses me off most of the times because of constant package shifting |
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| 18:04.55 | eniac_petrov | excuse me, can you help me about one problem? - I want to unset read and write privileges on /c and /d ( my win32 partitions) only for one user |
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| 18:05.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: eh ... ok |
| 18:05.54 | JordiGH | eniac_petrov: You want only one person to be able to read or write to your fat32 partitions? |
| 18:06.01 | abrotman | stoned: uh .. sid has the same issue |
| 18:06.08 | eniac_petrov | no |
| 18:06.11 | eniac_petrov | I want |
| 18:06.17 | abrotman | only one person denied |
| 18:06.23 | eniac_petrov | yes |
| 18:06.32 | JordiGH | Hehehe... No Microsucky for YOU! |
| 18:07.02 | jelly | eniac_petrov: you could put all the other users into a group, then mount with umask 007 or 027 |
| 18:07.24 | JordiGH | eniac_petrov: That kind of negative permissions are kinda unwieldy with Unix-like permissions. You'd have to do what jelly said, or something similar. |
| 18:07.46 | raf256 | damned i810 driver in xorg 7.0 |
| 18:07.58 | raf256 | JordiGH: ACLs are in ext4? |
| 18:08.03 | jelly | JordiGH: use ntfs <evil grin> |
| 18:08.24 | eniac_petrov | yes, but /c and /d are in the "plugdev" group |
| 18:09.11 | ubul4 | where can i see the contents of the installation cds? |
| 18:09.17 | JordiGH | eniac_petrov: There's no easy solution. You'll have to move a lot of users to a different group and change the group ownership of /c and /d. |
| 18:09.57 | eniac_petrov | ok, thanks. I'll restrict the rirectory for all users |
| 18:10.02 | eniac_petrov | temportary |
| 18:10.23 | brotherJohn1234 | watch the phone ;) |
| 18:10.31 | eniac_petrov | ;) |
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| 18:11.56 | JordiGH | Kewlness, OO.o is smart about recovering docs after a crash. |
| 18:12.31 | pekuja | not sure if this is off-topic, but I'm having a bit of a weird problem getting DRI working in X.org (in etch) |
| 18:13.02 | pekuja | the log file seems to indicate it is on, but glxinfo tells otherwise |
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| 18:14.23 | pekuja | this is with an Intel 855GM and the i810 driver |
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| 18:14.26 | foo | IDE Ultra ATA100 or IDE Ultra ATA133 ? I just want an IDE drive ... which on eis it? |
| 18:14.42 | pekuja | hmn, I'll go ask #dri |
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| 18:15.19 | stew | JordiGH: i wish i could tell it to stop being so smart. i never actually edit documents, only read them, but evertime i start it i have to tell it to not bug me about trying to recover old documents that i read :) |
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| 18:17.04 | JordiGH | stew: you're missing out. Even my M$-educated girlfriend says she likes OO.o better. :-) |
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| 18:18.06 | stew | JordiGH: no, i'm not saying that i use word instead. i'm saying i dont' do any word processing, ever. i only start it when i have to read a document given to me by someone else |
| 18:18.07 | mbishop | But you have a girlfriend, so your opinion is clearly nongeeky |
| 18:18.08 | mbishop | :P |
| 18:18.30 | stew | my wife prefers emacs :) |
| 18:18.45 | jelly | stew: that's sick. ;-) |
| 18:18.49 | JordiGH | Kinky! |
| 18:19.02 | mbishop | :P |
| 18:19.40 | JordiGH | stew: For an advertisement looking for a flatmate, OO.o is appropriate. I guess I could do it LaTeX, but, meh, sometimes I'm allowed to be lazy. |
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| 18:22.15 | dondelelcaro | stew: most of the time I just use antiword for those documents... unless they've done something funky, it tends to be good enough |
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| 18:22.26 | JordiGH | Eh? |
| 18:22.28 | JordiGH | !info antiword |
| 18:22.30 | dpkg | antiword: (Converts MS Word files to text and ps), section text, is optional. Version: 0.37-1 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 760 kB |
| 18:22.37 | JordiGH | Ooh, nice. |
| 18:22.52 | krillr | how can i dist-upgrade from debian 3.1 stable to unstable? |
| 18:23.24 | JordiGH | krillr: Sacrifice some herring to Tux before you begin. |
| 18:23.40 | AndrewB | Hey all. I have a Power Macintosh G3 (Baige). I would like to install GNU/Debian Linux but I have a major problem. The cd-drive is broken. I cant boot or mount anything(in mac os 9). I have read about doing it by floppy on debian.com. I have burnt a few images to floppy and cant seem to boot any. Am I right in saying you dont need to hit any certain keys to boot from floppy? What image should I be using? |
| 18:23.41 | stew | dondelelcaro: i haven't looked at it, i'll try it. i usually use abiword but it hasn't been able to handle a bunch of docuemnts i've recently received which is why i've used oowriter |
| 18:23.53 | krillr | JordiGH: nice. |
| 18:23.59 | krillr | oh, wait, i finally foudn something on google about it |
| 18:24.00 | krillr | never mind |
| 18:24.11 | JordiGH | krillr: Really? I didn't think there was an easy way. |
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| 18:26.21 | pollywog | is there a way to get dpkg to show the full names of installed packages? |
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| 18:26.53 | pollywog | instead of getting stuff like this: |
| 18:26.56 | pollywog | ii kdeaddons-kfil 3.5.0-2bpo1 |
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| 18:27.05 | JordiGH | pollywog: you mean, the .deb file? |
| 18:27.08 | pollywog | yes |
| 18:27.32 | pollywog | sometimes you want to remove a package but you get a short name that won't cut it |
| 18:27.45 | JordiGH | pollywog: Can't you just deduce it from the version and the packagename? |
| 18:27.55 | pollywog | usually, not always |
| 18:27.58 | krillr | this ought be a fun experiment |
| 18:28.08 | pollywog | I usually have to use apt-cache to get the full name |
| 18:28.09 | JordiGH | And the short name always cuts it. Watcha talkin' bout, Willis? dpkg --remove packagname |
| 18:28.12 | abrotman | pollywog: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 18:28.24 | pollywog | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:28.45 | pollywog | JordiGH: look at the example above |
| 18:28.52 | krillr | upgrading to current unstable. cross your fingers ladies and gentleman. |
| 18:29.02 | pollywog | if you use that as the packagename it won't work |
| 18:29.34 | pollywog | abrotman: can I put that in a config file to make it work all the time? |
| 18:29.39 | krillr | (all i did was swap out the sources for unstable sources, run apt-get update, and now apt-get dist-upgrade. this will likely break stuff :-p) |
| 18:30.04 | abrotman | pollywog: you don't want to .. and other items will reset it anyways |
| 18:30.22 | pollywog | k |
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| 18:30.30 | JordiGH | krillr: In my experience, yes. |
| 18:30.57 | krillr | JordiGH: but, i'm hoping that because its a brand new, very small (less tham 100MB) install, it wont. |
| 18:31.11 | JordiGH | krillr: The biggest problems usually are in the move from Xfree86 to X.org, especially now that that the the xorg package has been broken into a bunch of other packages. |
| 18:31.16 | JordiGH | Oh, a small install should be fine. |
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| 18:31.25 | krillr | ah, no X at all |
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| 18:31.28 | krillr | this is a server installatio |
| 18:31.28 | krillr | n |
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| 18:34.15 | insta | Where might I find libbakery-2.4 ? Google just shows me ubuntu sources, which doesn't help me ... |
| 18:34.30 | insta | afaict Sid didn't have it |
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| 18:36.07 | JordiGH | Oy, 2.4? I'm getting 2.3 |
| 18:36.35 | insta | JordiGH: yeah, I'm trying to build glom from source. |
| 18:36.39 | JordiGH | You could be adventuruous and try installing an Ubuntu package. :-) |
| 18:36.44 | insta | I've found everything else, but there are two packages that aren't new enough. |
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| 18:37.25 | JordiGH | The other option seems to build from source, since like you said yourself, it's no in Debian yet... but maybe it's in experimental? |
| 18:37.56 | insta | I'm in etch right now. |
| 18:38.12 | insta | I tried a brief move to Sid to see if the packages were there, but as far as I could see it was the same version. |
| 18:38.17 | JordiGH | It is. |
| 18:38.25 | insta | Which is rather frustrating ... even though I know it's not your fault. :) |
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| 18:39.23 | JordiGH | Sorry. Maybe it's in experimental, though. :-/ |
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| 18:39.53 | JordiGH | Should I go search, or do you want to do it yourself? |
| 18:39.54 | insta | Is there a step above Sid? I thought experimental = Etch, unstable = Sid |
| 18:40.05 | Ronin | insta: testing=etch |
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| 18:40.49 | JordiGH | Even sid goes through a *little* testing before putting packages up there. Packages aren't immediately put into Sid as as soon as they're available. Developers play around with them in experimental. |
| 18:41.07 | insta | Ahh. |
| 18:41.15 | insta | That makes sense then. I have no idea how to check experimental packages. |
| 18:41.56 | JordiGH | Someone told me here how the other day, but I forget. I'm going to have to go look online. |
| 18:42.20 | insta | I'm trying to compile the last package I need, which just leaves libbakery-2.4 |
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| 18:44.32 | azeem | JordiGH: packages are rarely uploaded to experimental first |
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| 18:44.52 | azeem | but maintainers are expected to give their package at least some minimal testing (though some don't always do it) |
| 18:45.19 | JordiGH | insta: At any rate, I can't find libbakery in experimental either: packages.debian.org/experimental |
| 18:45.34 | insta | Son of ag un |
| 18:45.37 | pekuja | is DRI broken in etch? |
| 18:45.44 | bill | i have a qustion for everyone here, how do you install a kernal without anything els, and then is it posable to install the rest of the system afterwards? or what is the best way to do it? |
| 18:45.47 | insta | s/ag un/a gun/ |
| 18:45.55 | roxy_ | what problem could I face if I purge zeroconf and avahi on my workstation ?(nothing appart from my router get plug to it) |
| 18:46.11 | JordiGH | bill: Without anything else? What do you mean? Haven't you heard of GNU/Linux? :) |
| 18:46.15 | insta | JordiGH: does that just leave me with building an ubuntu package? |
| 18:46.18 | roxy_ | bill: no |
| 18:46.33 | jelly | bill: you can't really install kernel without anything else. maybe you think of just the base install? |
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| 18:46.43 | insta | bill: you need at least a command interpreter ... maybe a statically compiled bash or busybox. |
| 18:46.52 | warjest | when running hdparm -Tt /dev/sda i get: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(null) (wait for flush complete) failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 18:47.01 | warjest | dell poweredge, raid5 |
| 18:47.06 | insta | I've got a bootable Linux system in under 1MB using a stripped kernel and busybox :) |
| 18:47.09 | JordiGH | insta: Looks like it... But maybe their .deb will work. |
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| 18:47.45 | chikky | how do one get e17 with debian sarge? |
| 18:47.56 | JordiGH | azeem: Gnash right now is in experimental, and I really want it to seep down to unstable already. |
| 18:47.58 | bill | lol, yes, the problem im facing is i have a AMD processor, and from what i have read, i need the K7smp kernal, but debin will only install the i386 kernal |
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| 18:48.18 | JordiGH | bill: You can specify which kernel you want in the boot options. |
| 18:48.37 | Phroziac | after upgrading to testing, i can't open mozilla-thunderbird anymore..it says it's not there.i tried apt-getting it and it says it's the latest version. |
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| 18:48.41 | lunitik | bill: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer <-- amd64 images |
| 18:48.50 | bipolar | I'm trying to mount a nfs shared directory, but I want all files on the mount to show as owned by the apache user. It's going to be mounted as read only. I can't figure out how to do it. Can anyone help? |
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| 18:49.03 | MoDaX | warjest: hdparm is for ATA only |
| 18:49.07 | lunitik | Well... they were there :/ |
| 18:49.09 | lunitik | damnit |
| 18:49.14 | insta | bill, you can also install another kernel afterwards |
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| 18:49.25 | lunitik | ahh... I'm blind... just not for netinst... haha :/ |
| 18:49.29 | MoDaX | warjest: try sdparm though |
| 18:49.32 | JordiGH | bipolar: Are you mounting it from fstab? You can specify mount options there. |
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| 18:50.07 | bipolar | JordiGH: yes. but I can't figure out what the options for that are. Readonly is easy, but setting the uid of the file owner is not. |
| 18:50.25 | warjest | MoDaX: alright |
| 18:50.32 | insta | bipolar, isn't it uid=#### ? |
| 18:50.33 | lunitik | bill: that link has experimental daily builds on amd64 though... not sure how stable they'd be etc... |
| 18:50.42 | insta | JordiGH: I think glom will win this round. :( |
| 18:50.42 | MoDaX | Phroziac: try just thunderbird |
| 18:50.48 | JordiGH | bipolar: uid=apache, I think |
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| 18:50.55 | warjest | MoDaX: does debian not have a package for it? |
| 18:50.58 | Phroziac | MoDaX: thanks. |
| 18:51.04 | bipolar | insta: nope. Bad nfs mount parameter: uid |
| 18:51.08 | MoDaX | warjest: yes. |
| 18:51.10 | lunitik | bill: no netinst for amd64 debian-installer beta2 is all :( |
| 18:51.13 | Phroziac | now, what would i have to do to connect my creative nomad jukebox to my linux computer? |
| 18:51.13 | MoDaX | !info sdparm |
| 18:51.15 | JordiGH | insta: glom? |
| 18:51.19 | Phroziac | by linux i mean debian, heh. |
| 18:51.20 | dpkg | sdparm: (Output and modify SCSI device parameters), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.98-1 (sid), Packaged size: 97 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
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| 18:51.36 | warjest | figures it wouldn't be in stable. thanks |
| 18:51.41 | bipolar | JordiGH: the uid= param is not valid :\ |
| 18:51.51 | chikky | how can I check which debian version I have? |
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| 18:52.14 | insta | JordiGH: glom is why I needed libbakery, and libbakery wins, so glom wins by proxy. |
| 18:52.16 | warjest | chikky: /etc/debian_version |
| 18:52.38 | chikky | warjest: it says 3.1 |
| 18:52.44 | chikky | is that sarge? |
| 18:52.57 | MoDaX | chikky: yeah |
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| 18:53.39 | chikky | Is it possible to get e17 with sarge? |
| 18:53.51 | chikky | *as in enlightenment-17 |
| 18:53.57 | Jenkens | is it normal when fetching linux-source to get an error about key 7F4E0E11 |
| 18:54.00 | Jenkens | being missing? |
| 18:54.01 | roxy_ | I just installed logcheck yesterday. Is it bad config or an attack: http://rafb.net/paste/results/e2blcK68.html |
| 18:54.02 | twosouls82 | hi all :) |
| 18:54.07 | twosouls82 | good 'evening' |
| 18:54.09 | Jenkens | never seen that key before |
| 18:54.28 | roxy_ | !7F4E0E11 |
| 18:54.33 | roxy_ | !key |
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| 18:55.11 | Jenkens | roxy: i guess dpkg is broke |
| 18:55.19 | Jenkens | or doesn't know that key |
| 18:55.29 | MoDaX | !tell Jenkens about 2006 key |
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| 18:55.55 | twosouls82 | I am planning to install Debian on my box. When I got to the download mirror, I saw there are two DVD isos (-d1 and -d2). What does this last part mean? Perhaps Disc 1 and Disc 2? |
| 18:55.59 | Jenkens | i've already got that key |
| 18:56.09 | chikky | do no one use enlightenment in sarge? |
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| 18:56.30 | JordiGH | bipolar: I'm now reading the nfs manpage. :P |
| 18:56.34 | lunitik | twosouls82: you have a decent net connection? if so, you probably want to get the netinst images |
| 18:56.35 | warjest | MoDaX: http://www.pastebin.us/2381 |
| 18:56.37 | Jenkens | this is when i apt-get source linux-source-2.6.16 it balks about some key |
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| 18:56.49 | bipolar | JordiGH: yeah, I've been there. I'm re-reading man exports now. |
| 18:56.49 | Jenkens | holdon |
| 18:56.59 | bill | anyone know how to change you nickname on here |
| 18:57.07 | pollywog | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.08 | Ronin | bill: /nick |
| 18:57.13 | bill | thank you |
| 18:57.19 | lunitik | bipolar: I think I asked you this before... but you bipolar from Trillian "community"? |
| 18:57.21 | pollywog | we see you chikky |
| 18:57.23 | joaninmi | much better |
| 18:57.29 | twosouls82 | lunitik: I have one.. and so I started using a net install.. but that simply failed, for some reason the kernel didn't show up on my box ^-^ |
| 18:57.32 | bipolar | JordiGH: I tried setting the export to all_squash,annonuid=48 too. |
| 18:57.33 | krillr | finished the upgrade, rebooting |
| 18:57.43 | bipolar | lunitik: yes you did, and no I'm not :) |
| 18:57.48 | krillr | wait, no im not, its not quite done |
| 18:57.58 | pollywog | Jenkens I get the key errors too I don't recall how I got some of the keys |
| 18:58.08 | JordiGH | krillr: Why are you rebooting? |
| 18:58.10 | Jenkens | Fetched 52.2MB in 4m12s (206kB/s) |
| 18:58.10 | Jenkens | gpg: Signature made Sat 15 Jul 2006 12:39:57 PM MDT using DSA key ID 7F4E0E11 |
| 18:58.14 | lunitik | twosouls82: tried the testing images? or the sarge images with 2.6.16 on them? |
| 18:58.19 | pollywog | I just ignored the errors |
| 18:58.19 | krillr | JordiGH: boot new kernel |
| 18:58.21 | Jenkens | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 18:58.24 | lunitik | bipolar: doh... sorry ;) |
| 18:58.32 | Jenkens | but this is for a key that doesn't exist in debian-keyring |
| 18:58.35 | bipolar | no prob :) |
| 18:58.37 | JordiGH | krillr: Oh. 'Bout the only time it's valid to reboot. :-) |
| 18:58.41 | Jenkens | for linux-source.. |
| 18:58.44 | twosouls82 | lunitik: the sarge ones (new to Debian, so not testing right from the start) |
| 18:58.47 | MoDaX | warjest: what do you want to do with *parm? |
| 18:58.48 | twosouls82 | ones* one |
| 18:58.56 | warjest | MoDaX: fix the error message i'm getting |
| 18:58.57 | krillr | JordiGH: yup, and its not quite done unpacking so i gotta wait a few |
| 18:59.01 | lunitik | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 18:59.01 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 18:59.05 | warjest | -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 18:59.14 | lunitik | twosouls82: try that link at the end |
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| 18:59.22 | krillr | heh |
| 18:59.36 | JordiGH | bipolar: Truth to be told, I've never had to manage nfs myself. It looks like it doesn't take mount options like any of the other filesystems. |
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| 18:59.51 | chjunior | can you help-me to configure my alsa? |
| 18:59.56 | bipolar | JordiGH: thats true :) |
| 19:00.04 | chjunior | i'm having a very freak problem |
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| 19:00.35 | lunitik | !ask |
| 19:00.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:00.44 | JordiGH | bipolar: Does it work if you change the permissions of the mount point itself? |
| 19:00.47 | Jenkens | hrmm |
| 19:01.12 | twosouls82 | lunitik: I have found the images already (if that is what you meant).. Now I am downloading two DVD isos called "...-d1.iso" and "...-d2.iso" |
| 19:01.14 | chjunior | alsa found my sound device, but after it says /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1163: No soundcards found... |
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| 19:01.34 | lunitik | twosouls82: that seems painful... gonna take forever... but ok |
| 19:01.45 | chjunior | and alsamixer says alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:01.54 | MoDaX | warjest: is your /dev/sda working at all? |
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| 19:02.20 | twosouls82 | lunitik: It sure is painfull, that why I asked it... have to wait another 2 ours :( |
| 19:02.21 | JordiGH | By the way, I want to recommend my school to invest some money in Debian. Anyone got a preferred vendor who could ship us a professional-looking product? I wanna convince the admin that Debian isn't "bootleg Unix" or "a pirated OS". :-) |
| 19:02.32 | warjest | MoDaX: yes, everything is fine. i thought i had a disk io problem then i realised i didn't... but now i don't see why i'm getting that error warning |
| 19:02.38 | warjest | really nothing is wrong aside from seeing that occasionally |
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| 19:02.51 | lunitik | chjunior: how do you know it found your sound card? what does "lsmod | grep snd" say? |
| 19:02.51 | JordiGH | 2 hours to download a DVD? Suck it up! I would probably take about a week. |
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| 19:03.17 | lunitik | twosouls82: you at least tried the 2.6.16 kernel install images? |
| 19:03.25 | david__ | where can i find some extended font packages? |
| 19:03.57 | Flakk | hello people how does one mount an usb under sarge?? i have an icon usb0 in the "Computer" window but clicking on the symbol "usb0" gives "unable to mount the selected volume" |
| 19:04.03 | lunitik | JordiGH: should be unnecessary either way |
| 19:04.17 | twosouls82 | lunitik: I downloaded a mini CD of ~120MB, which contained a couple of kernels (one of them being a 2.6) |
| 19:04.18 | lunitik | david__: apt-cache search ttf ? |
| 19:04.27 | JordiGH | lunitik: What should be unnecessary? |
| 19:04.33 | david__ | thanks lunitik |
| 19:04.36 | lunitik | twosouls82: thats 2.6.8 though, which is old |
| 19:04.40 | twosouls82 | lunitik: what do you mean bt "2.6.16 kernel install images"? |
| 19:04.55 | lunitik | JordiGH: downloading everything in the CD set :/ |
| 19:04.59 | twosouls82 | is that a seperate cd image |
| 19:05.10 | lunitik | !tell twosouls82 about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 19:05.25 | JordiGH | lunitik: Oh. |
| 19:05.26 | lunitik | twosouls82: I already pointed you to that... the last link in that factoid |
| 19:05.38 | JordiGH | But about vendors, still, has anyone here ever bought Debian? |
| 19:05.42 | twosouls82 | lunitik: you seem sane to me ;) merci |
| 19:05.58 | bipolar | JordiGH: I think the bigger problem is that I cannot even 'ls' inside the mounted share as root. Something bigger is wrong here. |
| 19:06.13 | JordiGH | Administrators like spending money, you see. They feel they accomplish something each time they spend money. So let's have some money for free software! |
| 19:06.13 | lunitik | twosouls82: heh... you're welcome |
| 19:06.14 | MoDaX | warjest: your device might just be incompatible (which seems is the case) |
| 19:06.36 | JordiGH | bipolar: Is it mounted at all? |
| 19:06.46 | bipolar | JordiGH: yep. |
| 19:06.57 | lunitik | JordiGH: go buy the Debian GNU/Linux Bible 3.1 Edition |
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| 19:07.30 | JordiGH | lunitik: Excellent! Manuals are a good idea. Now, I need some fancy-looking CDs and DVDs to go with it. |
| 19:07.31 | david__ | let me ask this way can i use regular TTF fonts that i download and if so how do i install them |
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| 19:07.45 | lunitik | JordiGH: lots of that money goes back to Debian... its neat :D |
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| 19:07.59 | lunitik | JordiGH: comes with a CD |
| 19:08.19 | JordiGH | lunitik: But I want ALL the distro. Here with .mx connection, a full set of CDs would be quite handy, you see. |
| 19:09.03 | rvalles | Is there a knoppix-like or knoppix-based livecd with reiser4 somewhere? |
| 19:09.27 | lunitik | JordiGH: one pretty CD isn't enough? Can like... hide the burned discs with it, or something? |
| 19:09.33 | JordiGH | Eh? Reiserfs isn't a filesystem for CDs, is it? |
| 19:09.48 | lunitik | rvalles: I believe so... no idea where though... |
| 19:10.08 | lunitik | rvalles: I know of rr4 ... but thats Gentoo based :/ |
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| 19:10.47 | JordiGH | I don't get it. What do you mean a livecd with the reiserfs distro? You mean, with the ability to read a reiserfs hd? |
| 19:10.52 | abrotman | rvalles: ask #knoppix |
| 19:11.20 | lunitik | rvalles: rr4 ... look for it on distrowatch.com |
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| 19:12.12 | JordiGH | Help? I think like I'm missing out on a good punchline here. |
| 19:12.18 | lunitik | JordiGH: he wasn't a live cd that uses reiser4 ... reiserfs is reiser 3 afaik |
| 19:12.36 | lunitik | wants* |
| 19:12.45 | JordiGH | lunitik: You mean, the filesystem on the CD is reiser4? |
| 19:12.52 | lunitik | JordiGH: yes |
| 19:13.13 | JordiGH | I didn't know that could be done. iso9660 is all I know. |
| 19:13.40 | Flakk | hello people, really nobody knows how to mount an usb under sarge?? |
| 19:13.40 | lunitik | JordiGH: CD's can have any file system... thats just most common... |
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| 19:14.00 | JordiGH | Woohoo! I found an expensive enough seller of the Debian Bible! |
| 19:14.31 | cb | ? |
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| 19:14.40 | Jenkens | hrmm |
| 19:14.40 | krillr | i need to remember to shove important stuff into a screen |
| 19:14.46 | jelly | JordiGH: usually these things put some kind of compressed fs in a file (image) in iso9660, then mount it as loop. |
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| 19:15.17 | [TechGuy] | Hi all. I'm trying to figure out why Amavisd-new is still sending DSN bounce reports for spam senders, even though I have the DSN cutoff level at -9999. Ideas? |
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| 19:16.28 | david__ | i have a drive hdb that is on my system ... it is an old MS formated drive with document files on it... How do i access this drive... tried mount but i dont think i got the syntex right |
| 19:16.53 | lunitik | david__: mount -t vfat /dev/hdb /some/where/here |
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| 19:17.19 | JordiGH | lunitik: probably /dev/hdb1 ? |
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| 19:17.35 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 19:17.35 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". This also applies to NTFS, if you replace "vfat" with "ntfs" (although you can't currently easily _write_ to NTFS with Linux).. |
| 19:17.38 | lunitik | david__: unless its ntfs... in which case... meh |
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| 19:18.20 | lunitik | JordiGH: yeah... but he said its on hdb... so whatever... just answering his exact question ;) |
| 19:18.20 | david__ | lunitik: it says command not found |
| 19:18.34 | lunitik | david__: mount wasn't found? |
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| 19:18.50 | david__ | lunitik: that is what it is saying |
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| 19:18.56 | JordiGH | david__: are you root? |
| 19:19.00 | lunitik | david__: umm... try as root or something... note abrotman's requested factoid |
| 19:19.08 | fourat | wich tool is to configure printers ? the one same as redhat-config-printer on redhat linux |
| 19:19.21 | david__ | lunitik: i am in as root |
| 19:19.30 | JordiGH | Sometimes mount is in /sbin which isn't in most ordinary user's path. |
| 19:19.32 | JordiGH | Oy. |
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| 19:20.00 | abrotman | david__: fdisk -l /dev/hdb .. what partitions are there? |
| 19:20.28 | lunitik | abrotman: mount is saying command not found... so imo, his problem is deeper than not mounting a partition... |
| 19:20.38 | kingsley | Instructions for configuring dhcp say to put "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces. Note that no IP address is assigned to eth1, and that when dhcp's daemon is started, it aborts with "No subnet declaration for eth1 (0.0.0.0)". How is one supposed to define eth1's IP address? |
| 19:20.43 | david__ | one partition fat32 |
| 19:20.51 | abrotman | wouldn't be the first person in the world to mistype a command |
| 19:21.03 | lunitik | abrotman: probably mounted correctly... to / though... imo |
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| 19:21.33 | lunitik | abrotman: thats true also... I shouldn't assume worst case scenario I suppose ;) |
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| 19:22.21 | lunitik | kingsley: man dhclient.conf |
| 19:22.25 | CAiRO | what has happend to "debian/rules binary"? |
| 19:22.27 | chjunior | lunitik, http://paste.lisp.org/display/23487 |
| 19:22.27 | Jenkens | hr |
| 19:22.28 | fourat | wich tool is to configure printers ? the one same as redhat-config-printer on redhat linux |
| 19:22.32 | Jenkens | gah if it's not one thing it's another |
| 19:22.33 | Jenkens | beh |
| 19:22.35 | abrotman | david__: mkdir -p /mount/dos && chmod a+rwx /mount/dos && mount -t vfat /dev/hdb1 /mount/dos |
| 19:22.37 | infernix | CAiRO: dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 19:22.49 | Jenkens | i'll get it figured out |
| 19:22.50 | Jenkens | heh |
| 19:22.55 | lunitik | kingsley: tells you how to tell it explicitly what subnet etc, even if you're assigning via dhcp |
| 19:23.00 | kingsley | lunitik: "No manual entry for dhclient.conf" |
| 19:23.21 | chjunior | lunitik, http://paste.lisp.org/display/23487 |
| 19:23.26 | lunitik | kingsley: I have it... meh... what dhcp client are you using? |
| 19:23.39 | lunitik | chjunior: I saw it the first time :/ |
| 19:23.41 | david__ | hey that one worked |
| 19:24.01 | david__ | no i just gotta find it |
| 19:24.07 | david__ | no * now |
| 19:24.15 | JordiGH | Find what? |
| 19:24.16 | chjunior | lunitik, sorry =/ |
| 19:24.21 | abrotman | david__: find what? |
| 19:24.21 | lunitik | david__: cd /mount/dos ; ls |
| 19:24.52 | david__ | tried that --- it said no such dir |
| 19:25.12 | fourat | wich tool is to configure printers ? the one same as redhat-config-printer on redhat linux |
| 19:25.19 | lunitik | chjunior: mm... ok... /dev/dsp is there? shouldn't have /dev/dsp0 etc... |
| 19:25.24 | kingsley | lunitik: Thanks for asking. There's no dhcp client on this box, only the server, "dhcp". Now you have me thinking, will this box need a dhcp client to assign an IP address to eth1? |
| 19:25.31 | JordiGH | fourat: Foomatic-gui works well. |
| 19:25.38 | JordiGH | fourat: If you don't have it, try apt-getting it. |
| 19:25.50 | JordiGH | fourat: Kde has a similar front-end from its control panel. |
| 19:26.09 | lunitik | kingsley: you're telling it to be assigned via dhcp... so yes... you'd need a dhcp client... |
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| 19:26.21 | kingsley | lunitik: Thanks. |
| 19:26.21 | david__ | lunitik.... my bad... spelling error when i typed in the dir name... i found it now |
| 19:26.33 | david__ | thanks alot for the help |
| 19:26.40 | Jenkens | alright, when i apt-get source <foo> i get a gpg message about the public key not being availible for authentication. i realize i can get that key, but then apt-get source <foo2> yields an entirely different gpg key. are the sources just based on package mantainers keys rather than repository keys? |
| 19:27.35 | roxy_ | kingsley: what dhcp server would give the address to the box you're working on ? |
| 19:27.46 | abrotman | lunitik: ppoe router for a LAN ? |
| 19:27.49 | abrotman | pppoe |
| 19:28.09 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm not familiar with that... |
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| 19:28.16 | JordiGH | !tell Jenkens about apt key 2006 |
| 19:28.17 | kingsley | lunitik: After "apt-get install dhcp-client", "man dhclient.conf" works. |
| 19:28.31 | JordiGH | Er, never mind. |
| 19:28.55 | Jenkens | JordiGH: this isn't the 2006 key, this is a different key (for two different packages, even) for the source tarballs |
| 19:29.06 | lunitik | kingsley: ok... but now I think it'd likely get the dhcp info automagically... so likely you don't need what I said... |
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| 19:29.24 | lunitik | kingsley: still, that man page describes how to request certain things of the server etc |
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| 19:30.01 | JordiGH | Oh, by the way. Today is my birthday. Do I get any pressies? |
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| 19:30.17 | david__ | happy birthday JordiGH |
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| 19:30.21 | JordiGH | :-) |
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| 19:30.28 | lunitik | abrotman: well... other than what it actually is... no experience setting it up though is what I meant.... |
| 19:30.37 | kingsley | roxy_: I'm not sure. It seems that dhcp needs eth1 to have an IP address, which creates a catch 66 dilemma. |
| 19:30.44 | g333k | hi, what file saves the reboot log messages? |
| 19:30.57 | JordiGH | I'd really like it all of the channel ops got together and sung Happy Birthday while carrying a very tacky birthday cake. |
| 19:31.08 | stew | g333k: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 19:31.15 | Jenkens | JordiGH: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/215 (see bash source, links source) two different gpg keys.. |
| 19:31.33 | stew | !prize JordiGH |
| 19:31.34 | JordiGH | Jenkens: I said, never mind. I don't understand your problem. :-) |
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| 19:31.39 | JordiGH | Woohoo! |
| 19:31.41 | lunitik | kingsley: you can set all that up via dhclient.conf if it needs to request things... I'm sure it'd be easier to manually define interfaces on the server though... |
| 19:31.44 | Jenkens | i didnt see that, sorry |
| 19:31.45 | g333k | stew, I mean while my system is closing all services, not when it just booting |
| 19:31.56 | dansushi | i'm having trouble mounting ntfs partitions so that they are not read-only, it doesn't seem like thay are, but when i try to make a new file or delete a file in it, it says 'access denied' could someone help me out with this? maybe go through a checklist with me? |
| 19:31.56 | kingsley | lunitik & roxy_: I'm considering hard coding an IP address in /etc/network/interfaces... |
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| 19:32.15 | stew | g333k: have you checked /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:32.28 | blahdeblah_ | Hi. I've got an older application that requires libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2, among other things. Is there a package i can install to get these backwards compatibility libraries? |
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| 19:32.47 | lunitik | kingsley: man interfaces tells about that.... |
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| 19:32.48 | g333k | stew, thanks |
| 19:32.54 | jelly | dansushi: write support for ntfs is very limited. |
| 19:33.03 | kingsley | lunitik: Yes, I'm looking at it now... |
| 19:33.06 | Dantix | I'm execute who at my console like usually, but today it shows an old "image" of the situation...what can be wrong? |
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| 19:33.10 | chjunior | lunitik, sorry, my connection went down |
| 19:33.24 | JordiGH | dansushi: Have you tried the bot's suggestion? /msg dpkg vfatrw. |
| 19:33.28 | chjunior | lunitik, did you see my alsamixer and alsaconf paste?] |
| 19:33.33 | lunitik | chjunior: its ok... ls /dev/dsp ... how many things does it return? |
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| 19:33.58 | lunitik | chjunior: should only be one... but just checking |
| 19:34.14 | chjunior | lunitik, none =/ |
| 19:34.45 | lunitik | chjunior: grrr... snd-intel8x0 is loaded... so there should at least be one :/ |
| 19:34.51 | chjunior | lunitik, there were times that the sound worked fine, and after restart the computer it simply stoped! |
| 19:35.06 | chjunior | lunitik, I agree to you |
| 19:35.25 | chjunior | lunitik, # ls /dev/dsp |
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| 19:35.35 | chjunior | lunitik, ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 19:36.05 | lunitik | chjunior: lspci | grep audio ... maybe wrong module? |
| 19:37.07 | krillr | i find it interesting that my dist-upgrade installed a whole bunch of packages i didnt have before (X, qt, gnome) |
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| 19:37.43 | cydork | krillr: did you upgrade sarge to etch?? |
| 19:37.51 | krillr | yup |
| 19:38.10 | lunitik | cydork: still shouldn't have... |
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| 19:39.14 | lunitik | aptitude might have decided to due to Recommends some how? |
| 19:39.24 | bgat | I'm trying to improve my boot times on sarge. I have a program of my own that I need to start right away; the rest of the system can come up normally thereafter. Currently, I'm starting it using respawn in inittab, but that makes it run at the end of the boot process, not the beginning. can anyone suggest a better way? |
| 19:39.52 | cydork | krillr: used apt-get or aptitude?? |
| 19:40.25 | krillr | apt-get |
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| 19:40.42 | lunitik | krillr: imo, slap it around a bit ;) |
| 19:40.52 | Dantix | I'm execute who at my console like usually, but today it shows an old "image" of the situation...what can be wrong? |
| 19:41.03 | stew | bgat: create an init script, read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:41.13 | lunitik | krillr: you still hit "y" knowing it was going to do that? |
| 19:41.41 | blahdeblah_ | Dantix: Your question doesn't make any sense to me. Do you mean that who shows old users logged in? |
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| 19:42.19 | krillr | lunitik: ya, i didnt really care |
| 19:42.21 | krillr | im just experimenting right now |
| 19:42.30 | chjunior | lunitik, I went down again |
| 19:42.49 | chjunior | lunitik, did you see my lspci | grep audio? |
| 19:42.54 | lunitik | krillr: meh... I'm not sure why it did it... that'd suck though |
| 19:42.58 | lunitik | chjunior: no |
| 19:43.13 | Dantix | blahdeblah_: yes, the who informs me the users logued a time ago, but not actually.... |
| 19:43.18 | chjunior | lunitik, 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20) |
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| 19:43.29 | lunitik | chjunior: apt-get doesn't even have logic that would cause that without such things being installed before... |
| 19:43.32 | krillr | wow, it booted. |
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| 19:44.06 | Dantix | blahdeblah_: now, I'm connected trough ssh and I'm not appear in the list |
| 19:44.12 | chjunior | lunitik, alsa and everything here was installed via apt-get |
| 19:44.31 | aorth | I'm getting corruption in curses-based apps, but only in X... anyone? |
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| 19:45.06 | lunitik | chjunior: its correct module according to: http://www.calel.org/pci-devices/alsa-device-list.html |
| 19:46.02 | lunitik | chjunior: alsamixer is in alsa-utils... which depends linux-sound-base ... so I don't know why its not working :/ |
| 19:46.26 | blahdeblah_ | Dantix: your /var/run/utmp file is corrupt. |
| 19:46.26 | wakejagr | aorth: i had a problem with that, turned out to be a locale issue. you may need to apt-get install locales |
| 19:46.39 | cydork | chjunior: there is no /dev/dsp?? |
| 19:46.46 | blahdeblah_ | Dantix: I've never found that you can rely on what's in there anyway. |
| 19:46.55 | lunitik | cydork: nope... but snd-intel8x0 is loaded |
| 19:46.57 | aorth | Wanderer: Lemme look into that... there's not much noise on google about this stuff. |
| 19:47.02 | lunitik | cydork: which is correct module |
| 19:47.22 | cydork | lunitik: i dont think there is a problem with module |
| 19:47.29 | cydork | chjunior: try 'cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV audio' |
| 19:47.33 | stew | no |
| 19:47.42 | stew | chjunior: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 19:47.52 | Dantix | blahdeblah_: I'll check it, thanks |
| 19:48.01 | cydork | chjunior: do what stew says :P |
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| 19:48.14 | lunitik | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/23487 |
| 19:48.18 | lunitik | stew: already loaded |
| 19:48.28 | cydork | !tell stew about /dev/dsp |
| 19:48.40 | cydork | stew: can that be the problem?? |
| 19:49.51 | stew | cydork: it could be, though i didn't realize that snd-pcm-oss was already loaded. if it wasn't and the user was using devfs or udev it would explain why /dev/dsp didn't exist |
| 19:50.06 | cydork | chjunior: then do 'cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV audio' |
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| 19:50.37 | fourat | anyone can help out there : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=469484 |
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| 19:52.21 | lunitik | cydork: tell him that again when he gets back... his net connection is very annoying |
| 19:52.26 | pekuja | where can I get experimental X.org packages for Etch? |
| 19:52.27 | bluefox83 | how do you fix a md3sum mismatch during an apt-get update? |
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| 19:52.42 | lunitik | !tell bluefox83 about fudo |
| 19:53.33 | aorth | wakejagr: Wow, the problem doesn't exist in xterm. I'm using aterm. |
| 19:53.33 | bgat | anyone know of a resource on hacking inittab and rc.d? |
| 19:53.43 | bluefox83 | uhm, my problem is with debian.crosslink.net >.> not ftp.debian.org or the mirrors.kernel.org |
| 19:54.05 | lunitik | bluefox83: then add that to the faq ... |
| 19:54.11 | lunitik | bluefox83: same issue though |
| 19:54.21 | bluefox83 | it didn't do it yesterday though o.o |
| 19:54.35 | lunitik | bluefox83: maybe they just tryed to sync today? |
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| 19:54.55 | cydork | bluefox: does it complain for any perticular package?? |
| 19:55.03 | bluefox83 | lunitik, infact. ftp.debian.org worked for me..i didn't get the md5sum mismatch |
| 19:55.06 | cydork | bluefox83: does it complain for any perticular package?? |
| 19:55.21 | cydork | bluefox83: ok |
| 19:55.22 | bluefox83 | cydork, i did an apt-get update, that's when it did it |
| 19:55.29 | lunitik | bluefox83: factoid discusses ftp.us.debian.org not ftp.debian.org |
| 19:55.58 | lunitik | cydork: seriously, same issue ;) |
| 19:56.09 | stew | !fudo =~ s#ftp://ftp.us.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org#some# |
| 19:56.10 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:56.15 | bluefox83 | sept ftp.us.debian.org works ...see --> Get:1 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable Release.gpg [189B] |
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| 19:56.33 | chjunior | lunitik, I went down again! :@ |
| 19:56.42 | cydork | chjunior: then do 'cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV audio' |
| 19:56.47 | chjunior | cydork, sorry, my net sux |
| 19:56.50 | lunitik | cydork: ;) |
| 19:56.51 | fourat | anyone can help out there : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=469484 |
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| 19:57.17 | chjunior | cydork, it returned: udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 19:57.34 | bluefox83 | ok..maybe i should wait till friday to do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:57.54 | stew | chjunior: does "lsmod | grep snd.pcm.oss" return a match or nothing? |
| 19:57.55 | lunitik | bluefox83: you shouldn't do dist-upgrades often |
| 19:58.13 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 19:58.16 | bluefox83 | lunitik, i do them about once a month..if that |
| 19:58.18 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | repository problems? /msg dpkg fudo | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 19:58.30 | chjunior | cydork, # ls /dev/.static/dev/dsp |
| 19:58.41 | chjunior | cydork, dsp dsp1 dsp2 dsp3 |
| 19:58.50 | stew | diff: replace f.d.o and m.k.o with a generic "repository" |
| 19:58.52 | lunitik | chjunior: thats not important |
| 19:59.05 | rvalles | lunitik: abrotman: thank you |
| 19:59.06 | chjunior | lunitik, what is not important? |
| 19:59.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 19:59.28 | chjunior | stew, returns a list |
| 19:59.52 | stew | chjunior: what version of udev do you have installed? and what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:59.55 | lunitik | abrotman: just nod your head knowingly ;) |
| 20:00.12 | abrotman | lunitik: ok :) |
| 20:00.16 | chjunior | stew, uname -r: 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 |
| 20:00.41 | bluefox83 | is there a security source for unstable? o.o |
| 20:00.45 | M0E-lnx | hey, can someone shoot out a good link I can add to /etc/apt/sources.list ?? |
| 20:00.47 | lunitik | bluefox83: no |
| 20:00.48 | stew | bluefox83: no |
| 20:00.52 | bluefox83 | k |
| 20:00.53 | chjunior | stew, udevinfo -V: udevinfo, version 093 |
| 20:01.46 | M0E-lnx | for some reason, my http://www.backports.org/debian is getting me a 404 |
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| 20:01.56 | chjunior | lunitik, i'm using testing/unstable |
| 20:01.58 | stew | lunitik: it could be etch |
| 20:02.34 | lunitik | stew: ahh... ok... |
| 20:02.42 | M0E-lnx | anyone? |
| 20:02.57 | lunitik | chjunior: did you try what cydork told you? |
| 20:03.14 | chjunior | stew, cydork, what does I do with the cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV audio result |
| 20:03.15 | stew | M0E-lnx: that url works. do you have a more specific URL that doesn't? does http://www.backports.org/debian work in your browser? |
| 20:03.17 | chjunior | lunitik yes |
| 20:03.20 | cydork | lunitik, yes he did now he has all the devices. |
| 20:03.30 | stew | chjunior: nothing, don't use MAKDEDEV if you are running udev |
| 20:03.36 | M0E-lnx | not on my apt-get |
| 20:03.55 | chjunior | lunitik, udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 20:03.57 | stew | chjunior: have you added any custom rules to udev? |
| 20:04.03 | lunitik | cydork: ahh... thats what the .static stuff was about... meh... |
| 20:04.28 | M0E-lnx | Err http://www.backports.org stable/jernel-image....... 404 not found |
| 20:04.38 | cydork | lunitik: man his network is really bad. |
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| 20:05.14 | M0E-lnx | it does work on my browser... but not on apt-get |
| 20:05.21 | lunitik | cydork: yup... heh... got frustrating about 30 mins ago... and its not even my net connection ;) |
| 20:05.26 | stew | M0E-lnx: can you paste the backports line from your sources.list? (just the one line). it certainly shouldn't be looking for a directory named "jernel-image" |
| 20:06.01 | M0E-lnx | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ stable kernel-image-2.6.6-i386 |
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| 20:06.26 | stew | M0E-lnx: please read http://backports.org/instructions.html |
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| 20:08.42 | chjunior | lunitik, stew, cydork, sorry again |
| 20:09.08 | cydork | chjunior: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' |
| 20:09.11 | lunitik | chjunior: you really ought to get a different ISP, seriously... getting kinda pathetic |
| 20:09.34 | stew | cydork: if he doesn't have a /dev/dsp, that is going to create one with random data and it won't be a char device |
| 20:09.59 | chjunior | cydork, cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 20:10.20 | cydork | chjunior: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/.static/devdsp' as root :P |
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| 20:10.31 | cydork | chjunior: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/.static/dev/dsp' as root :P |
| 20:10.35 | chjunior | cydork, I'm as root :D |
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| 20:11.03 | lunitik | stew: how bad would that be for him? |
| 20:11.19 | chjunior | stew, bash: /dev/.static/dev/dsp: No such device |
| 20:11.32 | g333k | Hi, if I installed the nvidia driver using the nvidia's script, how can I uninstall it? |
| 20:11.45 | cydork | chjunior, i thought ./MAKEDEV audio created that. :O |
| 20:12.19 | chjunior | cydork, me too =/ |
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| 20:12.26 | xpato | hi |
| 20:12.39 | stew | lunitik: i don't know would udev remove this file and create the char device in its place or just silently fail? |
| 20:12.40 | xpato | how can i start a process and get the pid of it? |
| 20:12.41 | chjunior | cydork, ./MAKEDEV |
| 20:12.43 | chjunior | udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 20:12.54 | stew | chjunior: what does "lspci -n | grep 040.:" returm? |
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| 20:12.58 | M0E-lnx | thanks stew |
| 20:13.07 | M0E-lnx | it worked |
| 20:13.09 | stew | chjunior: you must not have the right driver for your sound card loaded yet |
| 20:13.23 | lunitik | stew: I was going to ask if now removing /dev/dsp would allow udev to use it again... I don't know either :/ |
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| 20:13.33 | deadcat_ | xpato: $$ maybe |
| 20:13.34 | lunitik | stew: I'm guessing its really not good though |
| 20:13.58 | nox-Hand | abrotman, Hey, man. Sorry to run out on you a few days ago, but I had to rush all of a sudden.. and I came a day late back.. |
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| 20:14.34 | cydork | chjunior: try 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/.static/dev/dsp' now |
| 20:14.45 | chjunior | stew, but, what I don't understand is how happened to me that the sound was working, than I restarted the computer and it stoped |
| 20:15.15 | chjunior | stew, 0000:00:04.0 0401: 10b9:5455 (rev 20) |
| 20:15.45 | stew | cydork: is snd-intel8x0 loaded? |
| 20:16.13 | lunitik | stew: snd-intel8x0 is loaded... and according to http://www.calel.org/pci-devices/alsa-device-list.html that is correct |
| 20:16.27 | nox-Hand | Can anyone help me with a compile error? I am using the easy_e17.sh script, and here are is my failed output in a pastebin. Any help would be much apriciated http://axpr.net/?show=632. http://axpr.net/?show=632 |
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| 20:17.10 | lunitik | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/23487 <-- is chj[tab but he's gone again] |
| 20:17.39 | lunitik | ffs... how can ISP's be that bad? |
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| 20:18.40 | Jenkens | why is it when i fetch sources i get a different gpg key for each source (it seems)? are those not a unified key like the deb packages? see: http://pastebin.bafserv.com/215 for example |
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| 20:18.50 | stew | chjunior: is the i810_audio module loaded? |
| 20:19.14 | stew | (you don't want it to be) |
| 20:19.26 | abrotman | nox-Hand: hehe |
| 20:19.35 | abrotman | how does everyone know i'm here? |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | nox-Hand: /msg dpkg dr17 |
| 20:20.17 | nox-Hand | abrotman, So, install via debs instead? |
| 20:20.17 | lunitik | abrotman: you suck at hiding? ;P |
| 20:20.24 | nox-Hand | lunitik, That he does |
| 20:20.52 | chjunior | stew, # lsmod | grep audio |
| 20:20.53 | chjunior | ? |
| 20:21.10 | lunitik | chjunior: wait, that returns nothing now too? |
| 20:21.18 | stew | Jenkens: only a couple of people have access to the debian archive signing key for security reasons, so if you are using someone elses 3rd party mirror they would have no way of signing it with the debian archive key |
| 20:21.44 | Jenkens | stew: this is a debian mirror (well, in the mirrors list).. but they are source packages. |
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| 20:22.05 | chjunior | lunitik, yes..... grep audio don't returns nothing |
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| 20:22.30 | lunitik | Thats bad |
| 20:22.38 | deadcat_ | shake shake shake, shake your booty |
| 20:22.41 | chjunior | lunitik, I think it too |
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| 20:22.53 | ma3x | hey |
| 20:23.15 | ma3x | when I create image with mondoarchive then I am unable to restore it |
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| 20:23.39 | Jenkens | stew: so i guess the sources aren't signed by the archive key at all? I'm using cudlug.cudenver.edu |
| 20:23.45 | chjunior | lunitik, I don't know if it means something, but # lsmod | grep sound returns soundcore 10720 1 snd |
| 20:23.47 | n9urk | hi all. I am running debian sarge. How do I get mysql-dev? |
| 20:23.48 | stew | Jenkens: oh, i'm sorry i misread |
| 20:23.55 | n9urk | It is not in apt-get |
| 20:23.59 | n9urk | best I can tell |
| 20:24.01 | stew | Jenkens: yes, the source packages are signed by the individual developer that uploaded them |
| 20:24.14 | stew | Jenkens: all of these keys would be in the debian keyring |
| 20:24.19 | lunitik | chjunior: meh... lspci | grep audio ... |
| 20:24.26 | Jenkens | stew: alright, lemme verify that |
| 20:24.32 | stew | Jenkens: /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gp |
| 20:24.35 | stew | ...g |
| 20:24.40 | ma3x | stew, what's the best way to archive all stuff from system partition and then to restore them to another computer? |
| 20:24.49 | Jenkens | stew: fetching debian-keyring |
| 20:24.58 | Jenkens | 11.5MB, yeah i'd say they're all in there. |
| 20:24.59 | Jenkens | haha |
| 20:25.14 | chjunior | lunitik, well, it returns 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8 |
| 20:25.17 | chjunior | lunitik, sorry |
| 20:25.21 | chjunior | lunitik, 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20) |
| 20:25.27 | lunitik | stew: unless he's rebooted, going by loaded modules, and lspci alone, his sound _should_ work |
| 20:25.52 | stew | lunitik: agreed |
| 20:26.04 | chjunior | lunitik, what should I do? |
| 20:26.15 | chjunior | lunitik, reboot? |
| 20:26.16 | stew | chjunior: can you "modprobe -r snd-intel8x0 ; modprobe snd-intel8x0" then check dmesg | tail |
| 20:26.20 | Jenkens | stew: yikes, yeah not sure i wanna import that whole gpg set just for a few sources. |
| 20:26.21 | lunitik | chjunior: thats the bit that's confusing me |
| 20:26.58 | stew | Jenkens: what version of apt do you have? |
| 20:27.03 | chjunior | stew, dmesg | tail ? |
| 20:27.09 | stew | yeah |
| 20:27.15 | Jenkens | apt 0.6.44.2 for linux sparc compiled on Jun 14 2006 06:56:15 |
| 20:27.17 | ma3x | hello can anybody help me with mondo? |
| 20:27.18 | stew | chjunior: or rerun alsaconf and see if that makes things work |
| 20:27.22 | ma3x | I archive the file to the hard disk |
| 20:27.33 | ma3x | then mondorestore is unable to read from it |
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| 20:28.25 | Jenkens | stew: do i not need to import that large gpg set into my keyring? |
| 20:28.34 | chjunior | stew, sorry =/ amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 20:28.40 | nox-Hand | Is there a way to filter an app like...Synaptic to show ALL packages available from a specific repo ONLY? |
| 20:28.49 | stew | chjunior: what did you do to get that? |
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| 20:29.50 | chjunior | stew, the dmesg | tail response: http://paste-bin.com/30 |
| 20:30.02 | chjunior | stew, this was in alsaconf |
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| 20:30.42 | s|mon | i'm having a python upgrade problem with my sid http://rafb.net/paste/results/OfLTLW14.html I'm confused on how to solve this |
| 20:31.11 | stew | yikes, that dmesg looks a little nasty |
| 20:31.33 | lunitik | stew: hah... my thoughts exactly :( |
| 20:31.36 | Jenkens | hrm |
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| 20:31.55 | stew | Jenkens: i've never seen what you are saying, did you enable some special gpg verifying options in apt.conf or something? |
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| 20:32.49 | nox-Hand | When I installed, I made the mistake of NOT installing the developer option. Is there an easy way to get all those packages? |
| 20:32.53 | Jenkens | stew: no sir, i just did apt-get source <foo> and it downloads the source and barks about no public key to verify package. |
| 20:33.00 | chjunior | stew, I went down again |
| 20:33.12 | chjunior | stew, did you see my paste of the dmesg? |
| 20:33.29 | stew | chjunior: yeah, it looks like you have serious hardware troubles. |
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| 20:34.12 | chjunior | stew, really? but in other SO the sound works! =/ |
| 20:34.35 | stew | chjunior: maybe try rebooting. maybe try running memtest86 |
| 20:34.39 | stew | chjunior: could it be overheating? |
| 20:35.07 | chjunior | stew, sorry..... memtest86? |
| 20:35.14 | g333k | Do you know how to uninstall nvidia's driver? |
| 20:35.17 | stew | !memtest86 |
| 20:35.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, memtest86 is http://memtest86.com/ |
| 20:35.21 | stew | no |
| 20:35.39 | infernix | memtest is not for overheating tests; apt-cache search cpuburn |
| 20:36.03 | Jenkens | stew: figures only i would end up with this problem ;) |
| 20:36.07 | tsss_ | g333k: how did you install the nvidia driver ? |
| 20:36.13 | lunitik | g333k: asking the wrong place... #nvidia maybe? |
| 20:36.21 | infernix | !nvidia oneliner |
| 20:36.21 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 20:36.23 | lunitik | tsss_: nvidia official drivers |
| 20:36.27 | g333k | tsss_, nvidia's installer |
| 20:36.38 | lunitik | infernix: to remove, not install |
| 20:36.50 | stew | !no memtest86 is <reply> see memtest |
| 20:36.50 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:37.04 | lunitik | g333k: don't do it the debian way, don't ask in #debian |
| 20:37.11 | stew | memtest is also "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+ |
| 20:37.16 | stew | !memtest is also "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+ |
| 20:37.16 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:37.18 | nox-Hand | M4 Autoconf Automake (1.7 or higher) Libtool Pkg-config Texinfo Zlib Jpeg Freetype 2 Xorg-X11 or XFree86 X11-libs <-- I need all these packages, yet I am sure they are called something else in Debian...can someone point out which are not installed by default? |
| 20:37.19 | g333k | lunitik, :$ |
| 20:37.32 | tsss_ | g333k: what the readme file on nvidia.com... |
| 20:37.48 | stew | nox-Hand: becuase debian installs very little by default. what are you trying to compile:? |
| 20:37.53 | lunitik | tsss_: help him in #nvidia |
| 20:37.54 | jelly | stew: maybe point directly to memtest86+ site (www.memtest.org), since it works better with recent hardware? |
| 20:37.57 | nox-Hand | E17, and I need those |
| 20:38.03 | nox-Hand | stew, ^ |
| 20:38.05 | abrotman | use the packages luke |
| 20:38.21 | stew | nox-Hand: is there a reason you are compiling it yourself? |
| 20:38.24 | tsss_ | lunitik: i'm done with him :) |
| 20:38.33 | nox-Hand | stew, The CVS mirror is crap? |
| 20:38.40 | nox-Hand | repo* |
| 20:38.42 | stew | !dr17 |
| 20:38.42 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 20:38.47 | stew | nox-Hand: ^^^ those? |
| 20:38.52 | nox-Hand | stew, Indeed |
| 20:38.55 | deadcat_ | who wants dr17? |
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| 20:38.58 | nox-Hand | And, it's an autoscript |
| 20:39.04 | nox-Hand | deadcat_, I do. |
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| 20:39.10 | deadcat_ | nox-Hand: want source or deb? |
| 20:39.24 | g333k | tsss_, lunitik : just in case the way is: "nvidia-installer --uninstall" Thanks anyway |
| 20:39.37 | nox-Hand | cvs, I am using easy_e17.sh, works if you have the right packages installed before, so I need them... |
| 20:39.47 | lunitik | g333k: no one here cares |
| 20:40.04 | deadcat_ | nox-Hand: heres the deb for unstable: #deb http://soulmachine.net/debian/ unstable/ just pin it with this http://sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/apt/preferences |
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| 20:40.14 | manager | hey |
| 20:40.16 | manager | anyone here? |
| 20:40.17 | g333k | lunitik, what thankful |
| 20:40.21 | stew | nox-Hand: "/msg dpkg search" to figure out how to find the stuff you need. in general libraries needed for compiling will end in -dev, so for instance you might "apt-cache search libjpeg dev" |
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| 20:40.30 | manager | why the hell can't I restore files with mondorestore? |
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| 20:40.42 | Guerin | manager: how are we supposed to know? |
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| 20:40.50 | nox-Hand | stew, Right |
| 20:40.50 | chjunior | stew, should I install memtest? |
| 20:40.54 | stew | manager: you need to be more specific |
| 20:40.57 | manager | Guerin: well it says unable to find configuration files |
| 20:41.00 | nox-Hand | deadblock, Sorry, mate, I like my script better :) |
| 20:41.01 | stew | chjunior: memtest86+ |
| 20:41.10 | manager | and I selected fine, to restore from harddrive and then specified the .iso location |
| 20:41.29 | Guerin | manager: so tell it where to find them |
| 20:41.35 | manager | Guerin so what the hell should I do? I want to copy from one partition on one computer to another to another computer |
| 20:41.41 | chjunior | stew, installing |
| 20:41.48 | manager | Guerin I told it, but it still says unable to find any config/archive files |
| 20:41.57 | Guerin | manager: ask the mondo makers how it's supposed to work, or read the doc |
| 20:42.09 | Guerin | manager: this is very likely not a debian error |
| 20:42.13 | infernix | !info mondo |
| 20:42.16 | manager | Guerin can you tell me how else to copy? |
| 20:42.19 | stew | !memtest =~ s#86.com#.org# |
| 20:42.19 | chjunior | stew, installed |
| 20:42.19 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 20:42.21 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.08-2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 419 kB, Installed size: 1048 kB |
| 20:42.54 | stew | manager: did you try installing mondo-doc and reading in /usr/share/doc/mondo* ? |
| 20:43.22 | manager | stew what should I read when it doesn't want to read the file? |
| 20:43.34 | manager | I even mounted the iso and then specified the mount location, it doesnt want to read that too |
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| 20:43.53 | manager | stew try yourself, archive something small to the harddisk, and then try to restore it |
| 20:43.55 | stew | manager: i don't know anything about mondo, i'm just making sure you know how to find its documentation and have read it |
| 20:44.01 | manager | you 'll see , it won't be able to read the iso |
| 20:44.16 | stew | manager: no thanks, i have a perfectly good backup system already |
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| 20:44.30 | chjunior | stew, ? |
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| 20:44.36 | lunitik | stew: out of curiosity, what do you use for backup? |
| 20:44.42 | stew | lunitik: dirvish |
| 20:44.49 | stew | chjunior: yes? |
| 20:44.54 | Guerin | i used to use rspansht |
| 20:44.59 | manager | !info dirvish |
| 20:45.00 | stew | chjunior: read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.Debian |
| 20:45.02 | dpkg | dirvish: (Filesystem based backup system using rsync), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 20:45.03 | Guerin | rsnapshot |
| 20:45.18 | manager | stew can I backup with dirvish to hdd? |
| 20:45.23 | infernix | amanda |
| 20:45.30 | jelly | manager: yes, that's what I do. |
| 20:45.30 | manager | !info amanda |
| 20:45.33 | stew | manager: yes, dirvish only does hd based backups |
| 20:45.33 | chjunior | stew, memtest86+ is now installed |
| 20:45.43 | infernix | !info amanda-serevr |
| 20:45.48 | infernix | gosh. |
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| 20:45.56 | stew | amanda is a pain for hd based backups last i looked |
| 20:46.01 | Guerin | yeah |
| 20:46.06 | stew | (which was a number of years ago) |
| 20:46.12 | Guerin | amanda is only worth setting up if you have several million computers |
| 20:46.17 | infernix | it isnt easy. you create virtual tapes on disk. |
| 20:46.27 | infernix | but yes its a breeze when you have many hosts |
| 20:46.33 | jelly | stew: dirvish can do rsync over ssh too, but it's not really suited for that. |
| 20:46.49 | Guerin | well, anything wehich uses rsync can use ssh |
| 20:47.05 | stew | jelly: it isn't? i'm backing up 15 or so hosts via rsync over ssh using dirvish |
| 20:47.10 | chjunior | stew, ok, 2 questions :D |
| 20:47.28 | chjunior | stew, how will memtest help-me and how to add it to grub :D |
| 20:47.46 | infernix | i'd like to dive into bacula sometime, looks promising, but havent |
| 20:48.09 | jelly | stew: I didn't like having to login as root to the backup server from any client machine. |
| 20:48.26 | stew | chjunior: you are having hardware problems, we don't know why. if the problems are somehow related to your memory bus (either the bus on the mother board or the memory chips themselves) memtest86 might help find them. |
| 20:48.32 | stew | jelly: what do you do instead? |
| 20:48.36 | s|mon | about that python update http://rafb.net/paste/results/OfLTLW14.html - i just tried to install it directly via dpkg - but it seems to need python but the python link was broken (pointed to the not existing 2.3) but even if i change it to 2.2 it doesn't work because of a missing module (any hints) |
| 20:48.43 | lunitik | (other than use of ssh...) |
| 20:49.02 | jelly | stew: rsnapshot (and I think rdiff-backup) do it the other way round, initiate rsync on server. |
| 20:49.45 | stew | jelly: i just protect the backup machine. my assertion is that if they are able to gain access to where my backups are, they are going to be able to access my machines in any case. |
| 20:49.46 | kingsley | Why would ping to a box on a home network (192.168...) start failing with "sendto: Operation not permitted"? |
| 20:50.07 | stew | kingsley: if ping lost its suid bit |
| 20:50.31 | stew | kingsley: that's at least one way |
| 20:50.49 | kingsley | stew: root gets the same error. |
| 20:51.01 | nox-Hand | stew, Just checked through, can't find anymore packages, I got a few jpeg packages and one more, and I am trying the script again now |
| 20:51.10 | jelly | stew: I operate with the assumption that any client can be rooted, and it must not have any access to the backup server since that holds all the imaginable data. |
| 20:51.30 | pstickne | s|mon, I had to explictly get python2.3 seems to work *shrug* |
| 20:51.32 | lunitik | s/effect/effective/ |
| 20:52.17 | stew | kingsley: "iptables -A OUTPUT -p icmp -j REJECT" would cause this |
| 20:52.21 | lunitik | jelly: stew already asked, but I'll do it again (because I don't see the answer) what do you use for backup? |
| 20:52.30 | lunaphyte_ | if i want to add a static route to a machine to the init process, where is the proper palce to do that? |
| 20:52.34 | s|mon | pstickne: you mean via apt-get install python2.3 ? |
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| 20:52.39 | stew | kingsley: (or something similar with iptables) |
| 20:52.46 | nox-Hand | stew, Still fails :( |
| 20:52.55 | nox-Hand | Did you see my pastebin? |
| 20:52.59 | pstickne | s|mon, yes. it "worked for me" (so far) |
| 20:53.04 | jelly | lunitik: rsnapshot where I don't have enough bandwidth for our commercial backup app. |
| 20:53.34 | s|mon | doesn't work here :( as it mocks about python-tk being inconsistent |
| 20:53.42 | stew | jelly: right, in that case dirvish is fine. my to-be-backed-up machines have no knowlege of the backup machine other than the public key it uses to login |
| 20:53.48 | lunitik | jelly: ahh... saw that, but thought you were just describing another method, my mistake |
| 20:54.19 | kingsley | stew: Google's matches also implicate iptables, but my main concern is that I'm unaware of anything related to iptables having changed when ping broke. |
| 20:54.36 | jelly | stew: hmm, then dirvish doesn't have client -> root@server rsync any more? |
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| 20:56.17 | stew | jelly: the machine that runs dirvish has root access to the machines to be backed up. i'm saying i'm fine with this. if they get access to the account that does the backing up, they are going to get root access on all those boxes anyway because they will well get access to things like /etc/shadow |
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| 20:56.45 | nox-Hand | Can anyone help me with a compile error? I have a pastebin here: http://axpr.net/?show=632 Thanks! |
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| 20:56.55 | TimRiker | I'm looking for a recommendation on a syslog monitor that sends emails if it sees common linux error messages like ide/scsi resets etc. |
| 20:57.03 | NewGirl | just installed ati graphics card. only shows 800x600. any ideas how to get 1024x768 or better? |
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| 20:57.53 | pstickne | TimRiker, you want dmesg errors? |
| 20:57.56 | linlin | what packages do i install to TCL is on my system |
| 20:58.26 | TimRiker | pstickne: syslogd output on a central syslogd server for a large cluster of servers. |
| 20:58.40 | stew | TimRiker: logwatch can run out of cron and scrub the logs for regexs |
| 20:58.44 | NewGirl | 800x600 only option in screen res prefs |
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| 20:59.23 | rockstar_ | Anyone have experience with vpn or vtun? I'm trying to route all network traffic through my tunnel, but I don't know how to set up routing tables for it. |
| 20:59.26 | jelly | stew: yeah, that's ok, and that's the way most backup apps do things I think. A while ago dirvish initiated connections from client to the servers, and this required client to be able to access root @ backup server, AFAIR. Seems to me I'll have to take another look at dirvish, since I like its config more than other rsync wrappers'. |
| 21:00.35 | TimRiker | stew: thanx. reading up. I'm hoping to find something that will run on piped output from syslogd and send immediate email alerts and keep track so it does not alert again in the same x minutes etc. |
| 21:00.49 | PumpkinPie | holy crap fedora is crap.. fedora.redhat.com Went down so now I cant use (yum) for package management on a local system.. theirs a monkey with a fish for brains that thought of this one |
| 21:01.07 | stew | PumpkinPie: wrong channel |
| 21:01.16 | NewGirl | asking again for help with ati graphics card |
| 21:01.29 | amphi | NewGirl: what card? |
| 21:01.42 | TimRiker | NewGirl: ati driver? or the debian free radeon/ati driver? |
| 21:02.17 | NewGirl | not sure model. would have to open chassis. can if must. not sure what driver. whatever debian loaded during install. |
| 21:02.33 | amphi | NewGirl: lspci should tell you |
| 21:02.47 | NewGirl | new to linux not sure what questions to ask, ya know? |
| 21:02.55 | nox-Hand | Help :( |
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| 21:03.23 | amphi | NewGirl: run lspci in a term to see info about your card |
| 21:03.28 | NewGirl | did lspci...ati rage XL |
| 21:03.51 | rockstar_ | NewGirl, when installing x, use the radeon driver. |
| 21:04.25 | NewGirl | nrockstar: not sure what you mean by that |
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| 21:04.34 | amphi | NewGirl: use ati driver in xorg config |
| 21:04.53 | amphi | NewGirl: or xfree86, depending |
| 21:05.10 | NewGirl | please forgive...what is xorg config...i really am knew to linux |
| 21:05.28 | lunitik | NewGirl: hah... we take these things for granted... |
| 21:05.35 | NewGirl | pretent i'm your grand mother and your walking me though it. |
| 21:05.52 | lunitik | NewGirl: probably using sarge... so /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 21:05.57 | jelly | -4 |
| 21:06.15 | kana | NewGirl: it is easy type su in a terminal then put your root passwod |
| 21:06.15 | lunitik | jelly: yeah, been a while ;) |
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| 21:06.28 | jelly | lunitik: and a better way is to dpkg-reconfigure, that card is definitely supported. |
| 21:06.28 | kana | NewGirl: then type dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:06.32 | TimRiker | NewGirl: I use: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg on testing/unstable |
| 21:06.52 | lunitik | jelly: true... I was answering exact questions... I do that too much |
| 21:07.02 | kana | TimRiker: is sudo reconfigured on testing ? |
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| 21:07.16 | NewGirl | says confilcting actions |
| 21:07.22 | NewGirl | must have typo |
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| 21:07.27 | lunitik | kana: you have to configure it |
| 21:07.30 | TimRiker | kana: well, I have it setup on all my servers. su - and then dpkg-reconfigure will also work. |
| 21:07.31 | donavan | hi so_ |
| 21:07.41 | so_ | hi donavan |
| 21:07.46 | kana | lunitik: `ok thanx |
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| 21:08.02 | lunitik | !tell NewGirl about drxx |
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| 21:08.20 | jelly | NewGirl: as root, try the line from /msg dpkg drxx ... when it asks you for the driver, choose "ati". |
| 21:08.25 | donavan | pending so_ |
| 21:08.26 | kana | thanx TimRiker |
| 21:08.27 | lunitik | NewGirl: pretend that says xserver-xfree86 though |
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| 21:08.40 | lunitik | Actually, it does... haha |
| 21:08.44 | jelly | lunitik: it does say xserver-xfree86 ;-) |
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| 21:08.49 | lunitik | NewGirl: copy and paste from the bot |
| 21:09.06 | donavan | so_: paste it please |
| 21:09.07 | lunitik | NewGirl: less chance of screwing up when you copy and paste ;) |
| 21:09.25 | NewGirl | tried drxx command. no such file or directory |
| 21:09.41 | lunitik | NewGirl: what IRC client are you using? |
| 21:09.46 | so_ | pony, /whois pony ? |
| 21:09.49 | TimRiker | -NewGirl- VERSION xchat 2.4.5 Linux 2.6.15-1-586tsc [i686/697.58MHz] |
| 21:09.51 | NewGirl | xchat |
| 21:10.09 | bulio | In debian, where is the .xinitrc file? |
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| 21:10.20 | donavan | I'd be scared of a bot learning anything from this room |
| 21:10.27 | lunitik | NewGirl: at the bottem of the window... theres "Freenode" "#debian" and "dpkg" ... click the dpkg tab |
| 21:10.38 | TimRiker | lunitik: hehe |
| 21:10.50 | cydork | NewGirl: type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:10.57 | bulio | anyone? |
| 21:10.58 | pstickne | bulio, in ~ #? |
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| 21:11.03 | so_ | I'd be scared of a bot learning anything from this room |
| 21:11.09 | bulio | nano /.xinitrc doesn't work |
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| 21:11.16 | stoned | ~ |
| 21:11.20 | pstickne | bulio, you might not have one by default |
| 21:11.23 | pstickne | bulio, I didn't |
| 21:11.40 | bulio | how do I make one? |
| 21:11.46 | pstickne | nano is fine |
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| 21:11.47 | jelly | bulio: what do you want, one for your user or the global stuff? |
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| 21:11.54 | bulio | I want to remove KDE and install fluxbox |
| 21:11.55 | spykee | hi all, im new to linux, how will i allow connections to port 22? want to have ssh access to my box |
| 21:11.59 | bulio | and have fluxbox boot up |
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| 21:12.29 | bulio | spykee: did you install openssh? |
| 21:12.39 | pstickne | bulio, echo -E "xterm &\nfluxbox" > .xinitrc |
| 21:12.40 | stoned | bulio, ~/.xsession |
| 21:12.47 | jelly | bulio: apt-get install fluxbox ; then the line from /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 21:12.49 | NewGirl | thanks cydork. xwin config interface is up. not sure what to do now. asking for desired x server driver. huge list |
| 21:12.57 | stoned | !.xinitrc |
| 21:12.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, .xinitrc is actually ~/.xinitrc, which is used for running X as startx, and ~/.xsession is for when using X from a Display Manager like xdm or kdm. discouraged in Debian, as if you just use ~/.xsession it will work from both startx and the display manager, as documented in startx(1) |
| 21:13.01 | bulio | jelly: thats it? |
| 21:13.05 | spykee | bulio, nope.. linux is already installed |
| 21:13.06 | spykee | :) |
| 21:13.09 | jelly | stoned: well, he won't have to do that if there's only fluxbox on the machine... |
| 21:13.15 | pstickne | thanks stoned :) |
| 21:13.37 | bulio | ok |
| 21:13.44 | lunitik | NewGirl: hit down till ati or radeon shows up ... then hit enter (ati first, then radeon if ati isn't there) |
| 21:13.44 | stoned | or |
| 21:13.50 | spykee | bulio, any idea? :) |
| 21:13.53 | bulio | so just install flux & remove kde |
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| 21:13.54 | bulio | thanks |
| 21:14.12 | rhalff | spykee, I like shorewall for a firewall. if you don't have a firewall, then it allready is open :) |
| 21:14.13 | pstickne | bulio, kde has many cool aps |
| 21:14.20 | NewGirl | ati there. asking for identifier now. no list. assumes i should know. |
| 21:14.22 | pstickne | bulio, even if you don't use the session/wm |
| 21:14.23 | jelly | bulio: maybe you'll have to install some of the x-on-bootup packages, so-called display managers (xdm, gdm, wdm, kdm...) |
| 21:14.44 | bulio | awesome, thanks |
| 21:14.48 | pstickne | bulio, so I'd keep it around :) |
| 21:14.50 | stoned | sudo update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 21:14.56 | lunitik | NewGirl: when in doubt, hit enter (less its asking for something you want to set, in this case, driver and resolution..) |
| 21:15.31 | NewGirl | asking for bus identifier |
| 21:15.32 | jelly | bulio: there's a slight chance that removing kde will remove your only x-session-manager (why is it session-manager and they're called ?dm ?) |
| 21:15.37 | lunitik | NewGirl: when in doubt, hit enter (less its asking for something you want to set, in this case, driver and resolution..) |
| 21:16.02 | jelly | lunitik: thats NOT a radeon. |
| 21:16.03 | bulio | jelly, so how do remove it? |
| 21:16.16 | jelly | bulio: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 21:16.32 | bulio | ok |
| 21:16.33 | lunitik | jelly: someone else said its radeon... meh... she selected ati anyways |
| 21:17.17 | jelly | lunaphyte_: ati rage xl is mach64 based. 2-3 generations before first radeon. |
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| 21:17.29 | jelly | lunitik: ati rage xl is mach64 based. 2-3 generations before first radeon. |
| 21:17.34 | jelly | lunaphyte_: sorry :-| |
| 21:17.52 | jelly | ati works anyway |
| 21:18.33 | NewGirl | asked about a million questions. went with defaults except resolution. now what? restart? |
| 21:18.34 | lunitik | jelly: well, I learned something... still, said choose ati first based on amphi being more trustworthy than rockstar_ ... |
| 21:18.59 | lunitik | NewGirl: restart X... yes (just log out of X) |
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| 21:20.13 | lunitik | jelly: I just wasn't sure if ati was ATI's driver... but come to think of it, that would be fglrx ... so meh |
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| 21:23.13 | PasChampionDuMon | Hia, i'm searching what is the screen "powerdown" delay ? Any clue where I can find this info ? (setterm doesnt help ...) |
| 21:23.24 | tkup | I'm trying to sftp to a server that's listening to a non-priviledged port. I've used sftp -v host.example.com -oPort=11111 but the verbose output still says that it's trying to get to port 22. Any idea what I should be doing? |
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| 21:24.02 | fox__ | moin |
| 21:24.13 | jelly | lunitik: might be better to answer only what you have hands-on experience with, or tell you're just guessing |
| 21:24.13 | NewGirl | sweet fancy moses! looks like i'm in 1280x1024 now. thanks lunitix and cyberdork |
| 21:24.14 | abrotman | PasChampionDuMon: huh ? |
| 21:24.22 | abrotman | eh .. moses was fancy? |
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| 21:24.43 | NewGirl | super fancy. ever see that robe in the 10 commandments? |
| 21:24.50 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:25.11 | PasChampionDuMon | abrotman: After few mins the screen saver start, then few mins later the screen turn off <-- i'm searching where to configure this last things |
| 21:25.18 | lunitik | jelly: very true... |
| 21:25.35 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 21:25.35 | dpkg | dpms is, like, know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 21:25.44 | abrotman | so do the inverse and set it to off |
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| 21:25.55 | infernix | xset -dpms |
| 21:25.57 | infernix | also works. |
| 21:26.04 | jelly | lunitik: but by fancy moses, looks like it worked so there. |
| 21:26.17 | PasChampionDuMon | thanks (just want to know this info first... not to alter it) |
| 21:26.17 | raf256 | anyone knows when a working driver for i810/i915 + xorg 7.x might be in testing? |
| 21:26.25 | abrotman | infernix: it does .. which is why the factoid mentions that :) |
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| 21:26.38 | abrotman | PasChampionDuMon: it's DPMS .. it's powersaving crap .. SAVE THE PLANET! |
| 21:26.56 | infernix | !beer abrotman |
| 21:26.58 | infernix | :) |
| 21:28.01 | lunitik | jelly: I was just trying to remove confusion ... good that it worked :) |
| 21:28.53 | jelly | raf256: my i915GM works. Just not dri. |
| 21:29.04 | raf256 | jelly: do I need dri? |
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| 21:29.08 | jelly | raf256: no. |
| 21:29.30 | raf256 | jelly: I need fast direct rendered OpenGL for 3d, and 2d accel like that used by mplyar, kaffeine, xine to scale output video using overlay thingy |
| 21:29.41 | jelly | raf256: then you need it. ;-) |
| 21:29.54 | raf256 | damn! |
| 21:29.58 | jelly | raf256: err |
| 21:30.03 | raf256 | so.. how to get full support :[ in my debian testing |
| 21:30.05 | jelly | raf256: make that maybe. |
| 21:30.16 | raf256 | make what |
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| 21:30.25 | jelly | raf256: you don't need dri for XVideo (overlay / video playback). |
| 21:30.38 | raf256 | I need 3d/opengl as well |
| 21:30.51 | jelly | raf256: you need it for fast(er) opengl though. |
| 21:31.11 | raf256 | 3 fps is quite embarassing when windows runs in ~50... |
| 21:31.12 | pipeline | raf256: i915 gl is *incredibly* slow under linux. |
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| 21:31.21 | pipeline | raf256: The software renderer may actually be faster for most things. |
| 21:31.24 | nox-Hand | Can someone help me with compile error? |
| 21:31.26 | raf256 | pipeline: but can I fix it |
| 21:31.57 | raf256 | if I will use the working dri/i915 driver from xorg it will be as fast as win32 right? |
| 21:31.59 | pipeline | raf256: No, I mean, i915 GL *with* hardware acceleration is incredibly slow. The 3 fps you're getting now, with a software renderer, may in fact be faster than the hardware accelerated GL. |
| 21:32.18 | raf256 | pipeline: what in the hells name? why O_ooo ? |
| 21:32.21 | jelly | raf256: it's reasonably fast unless something uses textures. :-( |
| 21:32.26 | pipeline | raf256: i915 OpenGL under Windows is *much* *much* *much* faster than it is under linux. |
| 21:32.32 | raf256 | damn!! |
| 21:32.33 | pipeline | jelly: yes :( |
| 21:32.34 | raf256 | why?! |
| 21:32.49 | pipeline | raf256: Uhh, because development costs money? |
| 21:32.52 | jelly | raf256: bad drivers. |
| 21:32.55 | raf256 | why can't linux come up with serious drivers |
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| 21:33.05 | sanmarcos | is there a way to select multiple packages with aptitude? |
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| 21:33.07 | raf256 | why freaking intell do not release drivers like nvidia do |
| 21:33.09 | jelly | raf256: there are serious drivers, but for serious money. |
| 21:33.11 | pipeline | raf256: Because drivers cost money, as I just explained. |
| 21:33.13 | pipeline | raf256: Intel DOES release drivers. |
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| 21:33.19 | pipeline | raf256: Where do you think the existing open source driver came from? |
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| 21:33.26 | infernix | raf256: linux isnt a conscious being in itself. people might come up with drivers. yourself perhaps even. not linux. :) |
| 21:33.35 | raf256 | pipeline: intell releases fast closed source driver like nvidia? |
| 21:33.38 | pipeline | raf256: nVidia puts more money into its linux drivers because it sells cards for use in Sun workstations and high-end Linux PCs. |
| 21:33.40 | nox-Hand | Compared to Ubuntu users, you guys are quite.....unhelpfull.. Though I guess you try, it's nothing near Ubuntu... /me considers a switch to something like Gentoo - they help more there even.. |
| 21:33.41 | NewGirl | i have a .tar.gz file i need to install. how to? |
| 21:33.44 | pipeline | raf256: No, Intel releases its drivers under an open source license. |
| 21:33.47 | pipeline | raf256: And they're very slow. |
| 21:33.51 | g333k | sanmarcos, yep.... just press "+" every pkg you want to install, finally "g" |
| 21:33.59 | jelly | raf256: if you're willing to pay $75 for OpenGL/X driver, google for AcceleratedX . |
| 21:34.00 | nox-Hand | NewGirl, untar, ./configure && make && make install ? |
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| 21:34.01 | pipeline | nox-Hand: Trolling is not appreciated. |
| 21:34.01 | raf256 | pipeline: why, are intell peoples morons? |
| 21:34.08 | pipeline | raf256: No. It's a matter of money. |
| 21:34.11 | infernix | nox-Hand: this is free help. go elsewhere if you cannot respect freedom |
| 21:34.21 | NewGirl | says permission denied when i try to run frm terminal. logged in as root now. |
| 21:34.23 | sanmarcos | g333k, I am _ purging, how do I select mutiple package for purge?, i.e, I dont want to do _ for each one |
| 21:34.25 | nox-Hand | pipeline, Then I am guilty of not being appreciated :) |
| 21:34.26 | jelly | raf256: they say quake3 is playable under their drivers. |
| 21:34.27 | raf256 | 75 usd? what in the fucks name. I payed when I bought the hardware :[ |
| 21:34.28 | pipeline | raf256: And I'll second the recommendation of AcceleratedX -- the Xig drivers are much better than the free ones. |
| 21:34.45 | pipeline | raf256: Yes, you paid for the Intel drivers. If you want drivers from someone else, pay for them. |
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| 21:35.04 | raf256 | so there is no way to get i915 to run in linux at 75% of speed of win32 driver? |
| 21:35.05 | pipeline | raf256: There's a free trial of AcceleratedX; it lets you use X for 30 minutes. |
| 21:35.20 | raf256 | pipeline: I am trilled |
| 21:35.32 | raf256 | so there is no way to get i915 to run in linux at 75% of speed of win32 driver.../? |
| 21:35.37 | nox-Hand | infernix, Indeed, I do respect freedom, that is a nice thing, and that is not the issue of whicfh I was debating. I am, however, somewhat amused of the way that one can ask a question every 10 minutes for an hour, and not even one asks one to shut up, or gives a tip about where to go - out of 609 people. |
| 21:35.41 | g333k | sanmarcos, "-" every pkg finally "g" |
| 21:35.47 | jelly | raf256: there is, for $$ ;-) |
| 21:35.51 | sanmarcos | g333k, no |
| 21:35.52 | nox-Hand | Well, I guess people are all different, so this is the way Debians are |
| 21:35.57 | serkon | Hello |
| 21:36.04 | nox-Hand | serkon, Hello |
| 21:36.05 | infernix | nox-Hand: nothing is static. try at other times. |
| 21:36.06 | g333k | sanmarcos, what other way you pretend to do? |
| 21:36.16 | sanmarcos | g333k, select multiple and do - |
| 21:36.18 | stew | nox-Hand: what is the question? |
| 21:36.21 | sanmarcos | g333k, but it isnt a feature, tahnksa nyways |
| 21:36.33 | nox-Hand | infernix, Indeed, I have done. I tried Saturday and Sunday, at many occasions, so I think I shall drop it soon |
| 21:36.41 | nox-Hand | stew, Compile error, don't know what about. |
| 21:36.50 | stew | nox-Hand: can you put the output into a pastebin? |
| 21:37.03 | serkon | I have a problem :( I get "Usage:./usr/sbin/validlocale <locale>...Try `localedef --help' or `localedef --usage' for more information." when installing locales. What should i do? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade didn't fix it |
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| 21:37.18 | infernix | nox-Hand: weren't you the guy who wasn't using debian but needed something from debians apache? |
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| 21:37.50 | nox-Hand | infernix, I was not, no. |
| 21:38.04 | nox-Hand | stew, http://axpr.net/?show=632 |
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| 21:38.16 | raf256 | jelly: so there is no way to have fast i915 without paying the ridiculus 35 usd?! |
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| 21:38.40 | infernix | !dr17 |
| 21:38.40 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/, or debs for dr17 under unstable are available at http://gefechtsdienst.de/uman/files/ |
| 21:38.41 | raf256 | what, 75 usd? damn |
| 21:39.15 | NewGirl | HELP: getting permission denied when running a .tar.gz file. logged in as root |
| 21:39.20 | stew | nox-Hand: permission denied. you are probably not the owner of those files. did you untar as root and try to build as user? |
| 21:39.31 | Guerin | NewGirl: you don't RUN a tar.gz file |
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| 21:39.58 | NewGirl | ok, good to know. how do i install it? |
| 21:40.09 | raf256 | ok, i810 sucks donkey balls. |
| 21:40.14 | Ronin | NewGirl: first are you sure you cant use apt-get to install whatever it is? |
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| 21:40.18 | Guerin | !wayttd NewGirl |
| 21:40.19 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, NewGirl? |
| 21:40.19 | raf256 | is there some good, fully supported video card? |
| 21:40.24 | nox-Hand | untar? I ran a script as user, and it then asks for a sudo password, downloads cvs files into e17_cvs in ~/ and chuffs on from there |
| 21:40.27 | infernix | raf256: how so? i'm using it without much problems. |
| 21:40.39 | raf256 | infernix: it works 10 times slower then win32!!!! |
| 21:40.40 | Guerin | raf256: no. best bet is an nvidia card with nv, or a radeon with 'radeon' |
| 21:40.49 | raf256 | infernix: the opengl/3d stuff at least |
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| 21:40.59 | Guerin | infernix: that's because gpu manufacturers are braindead |
| 21:41.01 | NewGirl | have tried to use apt-get. doesn't work. did a search. confused by what i saw. thought i'd download and try. suggestions? |
| 21:41.05 | jelly | Guerin: does nv do 3D? |
| 21:41.10 | raf256 | Guerin: damn, so I should get a laptop with nvidia card |
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| 21:41.12 | infernix | raf256: that doesnt mean it doesnt work. anyway you can try getting the latest dri snapshot. but no its not very fast. |
| 21:41.13 | Guerin | raf256: there is no such thing as good free software 3d |
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| 21:41.17 | Eulex | how would I scp stdin? |
| 21:41.19 | Guerin | jelly: that's a given. |
| 21:41.27 | raf256 | Guerin: why? it totally sucks |
| 21:41.34 | stew | raf256: if you need 3d support with free drivers older ati cards are probably your best bet. "man radeon" tells you which cards have 3d support |
| 21:41.48 | Ronin | NewGirl: yes try apt again and tell us what it says |
| 21:41.49 | raf256 | damnnnn |
| 21:41.54 | Guerin | raf256: the why is, in a nutshell: "because the corporations don't want there to be" |
| 21:42.12 | raf256 | Guerin: damn intell should write a good driver, same as nvidia did |
| 21:42.29 | nox-Hand | stew, What do you suggest? |
| 21:42.33 | NewGirl | couldnt find package zlib |
| 21:42.36 | Guerin | raf256: the long story is that there are trade secrets and patents and such licensed by people like sgi to nvidia and ati which prevent free software driver implementations being released, for fear of awesome lawsuits |
| 21:42.46 | Guerin | raf256: but the nvidia driver is shit, too. |
| 21:42.59 | raf256 | Guerin: why? nvidia.com closed driver works nice afair |
| 21:43.04 | the_ugly | NewGirl: try apt-cache search ^zlib |
| 21:43.06 | Guerin | no way |
| 21:43.11 | Guerin | !nvidiasmite raf256 |
| 21:43.17 | jelly | raf256: i've installed the i915 drivers mentioned on that wiki page (.../XOrg69to7 or something) on my laptop and the performance isn't great. |
| 21:43.18 | infernix | lol |
| 21:43.28 | Guerin | it breaks EVERY TIME a new build is released |
| 21:43.40 | raf256 | jelly: is tuxracer or gl-117 playable? |
| 21:43.41 | NewGirl | gives list. not sure what i'm looking at. |
| 21:44.02 | serkon | Setting up locales (2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3) ... Generating locales... Usage:./usr/sbin/validlocale <locale>...Try `localedef --help' or `localedef --usage' for more information. dpkg: error processing locales (--configure): - what can i do to fix that? :( |
| 21:44.06 | raf256 | Guerin: but I have it working even now, and it seems there is no way to get it working with damn intell |
| 21:44.34 | Guerin | what do you expect? |
| 21:44.35 | infernix | i read that in xorg 7.1 the i915 driver (which also works for i810) should be quite faster |
| 21:44.36 | raf256 | damn, linux dudes should organize and pre-order good hardware |
| 21:44.38 | jelly | raf256: haven't tried, but I suspect barely or not playable, guessing on performance of gl screensavers with textures. ;-) |
| 21:44.41 | pstickne | Linux just isn't a big enough market yet to force the hand in offering good 3d accel drivers. :( |
| 21:44.43 | Guerin | !not suported |
| 21:44.45 | stew | "pre order"? |
| 21:44.53 | stew | raf256: it seems there is a way, since jelly has it working, for instance |
| 21:44.53 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 21:44.54 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
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| 21:44.59 | Guerin | there it is |
| 21:45.00 | the_ugly | NewGirl: what program ask you for zlib ? |
| 21:45.01 | raf256 | ;ike "stop fucking with us mon, give us nice gfx card with good linux driver and we order 100,000 pieces of it" |
| 21:45.09 | Ronin | NewGirl: apt-cache search? but whats asking for it? |
| 21:45.26 | raf256 | such $ should motivate fuckers at nvidia/intell to write really good driver + suppoer |
| 21:45.35 | jelly | raf256: /msg dpkg xorg7 |
| 21:45.52 | Guerin | raf256: dream on. |
| 21:46.01 | raf256 | jelly: so it works very slowly, like x5 slower then it shoud? then it is "does NOT work" for me. |
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| 21:46.13 | infernix | raf256: you've made your point. |
| 21:46.22 | Guerin | raf256: so don't buy the fucking thing. Next. |
| 21:46.24 | raf256 | Guerin: 500,000 usd is not enought to port a device driver to unix? |
| 21:46.24 | stew | raf256: i doubt that there are enough linux users to make it financially viable. they'd have to start from scratch, since their current technologies rely on IP that they have licensed from toher vendors and that they cannot legally open up |
| 21:46.28 | pipeline | raf256: Either spend the money or stop rambling about how mad you are that you can't get something for nothing. |
| 21:46.35 | infernix | raf256: no amount of complaining will change it, in all eternity, ever. |
| 21:46.42 | raf256 | pipeline: I did bought it |
| 21:46.54 | pipeline | raf256: And you got what you paid for. |
| 21:46.54 | Guerin | if people JUST STOPPED BUYING graphics cards at $400 each because they weren't suppotrted in their chosen OS, the problem would solve itself. |
| 21:47.06 | pipeline | Guerin: They did. A long time ago. |
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| 21:47.11 | lunitik | raf256: its illegal to use proprietary ati and nvidia drivers. if you're fine with that, feel free to use them :/ |
| 21:47.15 | raf256 | Guerin: none of freaking internet pages I saw even mettioned it! |
| 21:47.19 | pipeline | Guerin: That's why nVidia and ATi are kings of the graphics world, not SGI and Sun. |
| 21:47.21 | lunitik | raf256: just don't come here looking for support for them |
| 21:47.30 | raf256 | lunaphyte: illegal? O_o ? |
| 21:47.45 | lunitik | raf256: yes |
| 21:47.48 | NewGirl | explain something. looks like i do apt-cache search to get the actual name of the app. maybe i think i need freetype but i really need freetype2-demo for the apt-get install to work. is that correct? |
| 21:47.48 | lunitik | raf256: illegal |
| 21:48.03 | raf256 | lunaphyte: using driver downloaded from nvidia.com is illegal?? |
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| 21:48.11 | lunitik | raf256: yes |
| 21:48.18 | raf256 | lunaphyte: are you stoned? |
| 21:48.24 | lunitik | raf256: no |
| 21:48.28 | raf256 | lunaphyte: in what way is it illegal? |
| 21:48.29 | Ronin | raf256: depends on your defination of ilegal |
| 21:48.30 | stoned | huh |
| 21:48.39 | stoned | oh god, hes back |
| 21:48.40 | Guerin | aillegal? |
| 21:48.40 | lunitik | raf256: fix your fucking auto-complete |
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| 21:48.50 | Ronin | raf256: its not illegal as in the cops are going to come by and bust your arse |
| 21:48.52 | stoned | I should add a factoid about raf256 |
| 21:48.53 | raf256 | lunitik: fix your nick |
| 21:48.53 | jelly | lunitik: not illegal, choose words more carefully. |
| 21:48.53 | amphi | NewGirl: libfreetype perhaps - WAYTTD? |
| 21:48.58 | the_ugly | NewGirl: what is the name of the app ? |
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| 21:49.11 | Guerin | msg dpkg raf256 |
| 21:49.13 | raf256 | stoned: what the heck is your problem? stfu |
| 21:49.22 | stoned | raf256, THAT is why you need a factoid |
| 21:49.22 | lunitik | jelly: immoral to use... illegal to distribute result... |
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| 21:49.25 | DerJamster | *popcorn* |
| 21:49.26 | Guerin | i think there was one |
| 21:49.31 | infernix | raf256: can you please stop being incredibly negative. |
| 21:49.39 | Ronin | wait a minute, the light just went on in my old head regarding raf256 |
| 21:49.45 | raf256 | lunitik: immoral... like god kills a kitten? |
| 21:49.46 | Guerin | ok, hang on |
| 21:49.48 | infernix | it has an obvious bad effect on this channel. |
| 21:49.54 | Guerin | how is it illega to use the nvidia driver? |
| 21:49.54 | jelly | lunitik: incompatible with DFSG or GPL (= kernel), yes. Not illegal. |
| 21:50.01 | ma3x | !paste |
| 21:50.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:50.08 | stoned | yup, hes the guy who disses debian and insutls debian developers when he can't make thigns work |
| 21:50.19 | Ronin | stoned: indeed |
| 21:50.21 | ma3x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3310 |
| 21:50.25 | stoned | not to mention same thing he has done in #kde |
| 21:50.29 | ma3x | how do I mount the cd ? |
| 21:50.29 | ma3x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3310 |
| 21:50.31 | lunitik | jelly: like I said, illegal to distribute result |
| 21:50.34 | stoned | then he tries to get support hah |
| 21:50.42 | raf256 | stoned: you are wrong, I did not insulted no debian developers even now when i810 fail to work |
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| 21:50.59 | infernix | ma3x: mount /dev/sr0 /where/ever/you/want/it |
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| 21:51.12 | ma3x | infernix, how do you know its sr0? |
| 21:51.15 | jelly | raf256: chill out, if you want hardware that works flawlesly on Debian you have to choose it more carefully. |
| 21:51.16 | ma3x | dmesg doesnt say that |
| 21:51.19 | raf256 | there are laptops with nvidia cards, that do work FULLY with debian? |
| 21:51.20 | lunitik | raf256: what you _should_ do is get on the phone and start bothering your graphics card supplier |
| 21:51.33 | Guerin | raf256: well, that's good, since the failure of the intel i810 is NO RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL of any debian developer |
| 21:51.36 | NewGirl | what's the command fr installing xchat? tried apt-get install xchat. no go. |
| 21:51.40 | infernix | ma3x: "Attached SCSI CD-ROM sr0..." - yes it does |
| 21:51.42 | raf256 | Guerin: I know |
| 21:51.49 | Ronin | NewGirl: it is indeed apt-get install xchat, define no go |
| 21:51.54 | lunitik | NewGirl: I thought you were already using xchat? |
| 21:52.02 | raf256 | can't we reverse engineer that xi graphics driver or something? |
| 21:52.11 | Guerin | raf256: if by 'fully' you mean 'without 3d' then yes. As you know, the 3d driver is not in debian. |
| 21:52.18 | amphi | NewGirl: apt-cache search xchat to find out the package name |
| 21:52.20 | Guerin | raf256: be our guest. |
| 21:52.22 | TimRiker | raf256: sure you can. feel free to drop back in when you're done. |
| 21:52.31 | NewGirl | am using xchat on mepis notebook. need it on debian server too. |
| 21:52.33 | raf256 | or organize all users of i810, collect like 10-15 usd from each, that should be enought to fund the reserach of linux open driver I hope |
| 21:52.35 | lunitik | NewGirl: you have to be root ... if it said anything about permissions, type 'su -' and enter roots passwd when it asks... then try again |
| 21:52.44 | Guerin | raf256: you think people just can't be bothered doing it? you don't think there might be other reasons why it hasn't been done? |
| 21:52.53 | Ronin | NewGirl: what error is it givingyou |
| 21:52.57 | stoned | Guerin, of course not |
| 21:53.02 | NewGirl | am root. still permission error |
| 21:53.05 | raf256 | Guerin: what reason? |
| 21:53.10 | Ronin | NewGirl: complete error |
| 21:53.11 | stoned | see |
| 21:53.12 | Ronin | please |
| 21:53.27 | lunitik | raf256: its hard to write drivers when there are no specs available... |
| 21:53.30 | raf256 | all i810/915 users here, will you pay 10 bucks to have gfx working 5-10 times faster, especially in games? |
| 21:53.35 | Guerin | stoned: it's because free sotware devs are just lazy hippies who spend all their time playing nethack and drinking herbal tea |
| 21:53.43 | notslad | anyone up for helping me with a gdm problem? GDM authenticates user just fine, but it won't bring up the default session.. you have to specify gnome, or fluxbox, etc.. otherwise X restarts and gdm gives you another login screen... |
| 21:53.57 | Ronin | Guerin: theres the problem then they need beer and not tea |
| 21:53.59 | TimRiker | Guerin: hey.. I thought it was BZFlag these days. |
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| 21:54.05 | Guerin | oh |
| 21:54.07 | Guerin | my bad |
| 21:54.08 | stoned | Guerin, hehhee thats funny |
| 21:54.26 | jelly | raf256: your request boils down to "I don't want to pay for the software". Well then, pay the hardware then - buy a laptop with 9600 or 9700 mobility and it'll probably work better in Linux with free drivers. Investigate before buying next time. |
| 21:54.28 | infernix | well either drinking or smoking herbal (tea) |
| 21:54.31 | Guerin | doesn't bzflag require 3d? |
| 21:54.42 | stoned | yes |
| 21:54.48 | raf256 | Guerin: there was no warning, all "i810 linux" googled sites are quite optimistic. We should make a big DO NOT BUY i810 card, it SUCKS site and position it to be in top in google =) |
| 21:54.49 | TimRiker | well, I guess if their glx is not working, then nethack would be a better choice. ;-/ |
| 21:54.53 | Guerin | the irony, it burns! |
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| 21:55.03 | Guerin | raf256: be our guest, again. |
| 21:55.06 | notslad | stoned: I thought you could run bzFlag w/out graphics accelleration... |
| 21:55.16 | pipeline | raf256: Err, i810 cards are great. They're cheap and they're well-supported. |
| 21:55.17 | stoned | you could? |
| 21:55.19 | notslad | just kick the details down to basic polygons.. |
| 21:55.20 | Guerin | I think you might find that i810sucksfdontbuyit.com is available |
| 21:55.22 | raf256 | jelly: I WANT to pay for softare. but 10 bucks for linux devel, not 90 for xi thingy |
| 21:55.22 | pipeline | notslad: Not very well.... |
| 21:55.22 | stoned | well i'll be damned |
| 21:55.24 | TimRiker | notslad: you can, but you don't really want to. ;-) |
| 21:55.27 | NewGirl | i type filename.tar.gz. error: permission denied |
| 21:55.39 | notslad | TimRiker: hehe.. it is ugly :^) |
| 21:55.43 | Ronin | NewGirl: no what happens when you do apt-get install xchat as root |
| 21:55.43 | stoned | !tell NewGirl about grounding |
| 21:56.04 | raf256 | perhaps it would be a good idea for business |
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| 21:56.15 | raf256 | to organize groups of linux users and pay developer to write a good driver |
| 21:56.16 | infernix | raf256: instead of moaning and complaining, call intel, find a few developers, fund it and get it done. THATS how open source works. its not about spewing your ideas in the wild hoping that it will be picked up. so go on and do it and i'll chip in $1000. |
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| 21:56.48 | raf256 | infernix: when would you like to chip in for example? |
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| 21:57.03 | Ronin | infernix: i doubt theyll do that, too happy complaining here i suspect |
| 21:57.08 | Guerin | once someone competent is in charge? |
| 21:57.11 | jelly | raf256: 10 bucks gives you 1 hr of cheap 3rd country programmer time, not 200-500 hours of kernel/graphic devel expert to reverse engineer Xig driver, even if you found the developers in countries where it's legal to do so. |
| 21:57.30 | raf256 | infernix: perhaps a small comapny to order drivers from hardware vendors in organized way, like "get us good driver and we will order 10,000 pices of your hardware" |
| 21:57.32 | NewGirl | Ronin: couldn't find package xchat |
| 21:57.37 | infernix | raf256: there's no point in talking hypothetically as it leads to nothing. get to work, believe it will be done and it'll be if it should. |
| 21:57.38 | stoned | or simple |
| 21:57.42 | pipeline | raf256: That's what Xig is, dumbass. |
| 21:57.44 | stoned | you could just stop bitching |
| 21:57.50 | stoned | that might help |
| 21:57.55 | pipeline | raf256: They're a small company that obtains and develops drivers in an organized way. |
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| 21:57.58 | Ronin | NewGirl: paste your source list please to pastbin.ca, i bet you just have the first cd in it? |
| 21:58.02 | stew | pipeline: please don't resort to name-calling |
| 21:58.20 | Ronin | ahh that should help the noise to signal ratio |
| 21:58.30 | raf256 | pipeline: no, I ment pre-ordering |
| 21:58.42 | Guerin | pre-ordering? |
| 21:58.52 | stew | raf256: can we drop this off-topic discussion. its going nowhere |
| 21:58.54 | notslad | has anyone heard of any problems with the latest debian gdm setup? it looks like the "Default" session doesn't load.. and I'm really hoping it's my fault.. |
| 21:58.59 | raf256 | stew: it is going |
| 21:59.01 | NewGirl | path of source list please... |
| 21:59.21 | Ronin | NewGirl: locate sources.list |
| 21:59.30 | Ronin | but it in /etc/apt/ |
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| 21:59.36 | cydork | NewGirl: man sources.list |
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| 21:59.44 | pipeline | jelly: You could just get the trial. |
| 21:59.58 | NewGirl | two lines...updates main contrib and updates non-free |
| 22:00.04 | raf256 | Guerin: organize like 10,000 users of popular hardware that will pre-order a hw component IF it will work very good under linux, and then make deal with hw vendor. 5*10,000 gives 50,000 usd to develop good driver it seems quite reasonable amount |
| 22:00.10 | lunitik | Ronin: she installed today, so chances are her locate db hasn't been updated etc |
| 22:00.12 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 22:00.19 | raf256 | jelly: if you have free time, perhaps try their demo? |
| 22:00.21 | stoned | T |
| 22:00.29 | Ronin | NewGirl: NewGirl from where? |
| 22:00.46 | Guerin | raf256: 50,000$ is about one developer, ulltime, for four months |
| 22:00.47 | stew | raf256: like i said before when you brought this up 15 mintues ago. that is nowhere near enough money to develop a good 3d graphics card of they had to start from scratch |
| 22:00.47 | NewGirl | sent straight down from heaven |
| 22:00.51 | Guerin | and that'd be the cheap rate |
| 22:00.53 | |dennis| | Please help-- http://pastebin.ca/110760 |
| 22:00.59 | Ronin | NewGirl: in that case go to a church and pray |
| 22:01.06 | Guerin | raf256: in other words: nowhere near enough |
| 22:01.07 | NewGirl | DOH! |
| 22:01.09 | stoned | I found out from my friend that Dell doesn't supervise urine tests, they just tell you go to in the room and fill up a cup. Guess what. I'm getting high, AND I can pass my piss test. I just smuggle in :D |
| 22:01.13 | stoned | oh wrong channel yeah |
| 22:01.25 | Sypher | guys, if i have a box with 3 NICs, 2 externals and 1 internal, is there a way to have 1 internal ip exit from 1 specific external nic and a different internal ip exit from the other NIC ? Anybody knows? |
| 22:01.27 | pipeline | raf256: That's oh, perhas four months of developer time. |
| 22:01.33 | serkon | ok, thanks |
| 22:01.34 | pipeline | raf256: It's a *lot* less than, say, the weather channel spent |
| 22:01.35 | Ronin | stoned: that explains some of the calls we get to place to dell now :) |
| 22:01.40 | infernix | Sypher: yea. |
| 22:01.41 | pipeline | raf256: The weather channel paid for the ATI R2xx drivers. |
| 22:01.43 | raf256 | Guerin: for 50,000 usd in Poland you can get 4 excelepnt developer working full time for a year. |
| 22:01.46 | jelly | raf256: as pipeline already said, that's exactly what Xig does. They develop 3D drivers for Linux/Unix for the few customers willing to buy them. The price is market determined. |
| 22:01.52 | Sypher | infernix, any reference i could look up for that? |
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| 22:02.02 | infernix | Sypher: policy routing howto. google:) |
| 22:02.05 | rockstar_ | Where are the default iptables settings at? Like, where does iptables look on initial load? |
| 22:02.06 | raf256 | 3 developers actually assuming 3.1 usd/pln value today |
| 22:02.06 | pipeline | raf256, jelly : As linux became more popular, Xig drivers actually got cheaper and better :) |
| 22:02.09 | Sypher | aight. |
| 22:02.12 | Guerin | raf256: better, but still not enough to write a functional 3d driver, even if you do have spec,. |
| 22:02.16 | lunitik | Guerin: any particular reason why? they don't know you, so why should they trust you? (or cuz you use?) |
| 22:02.19 | infernix | Sypher: the one on lartc.org should work, but there might be easier |
| 22:02.49 | raf256 | Guerin: I thought hald year of full time work of 3 excelent devels + 8 medium-skilled should get a driver done... |
| 22:03.12 | Sypher | infernix, what im trying to do is to have a client in the internal network have their own outside IP address, right now i just forward everything to him and nat him outside, but when he goes outside he uses another outside IP address. it does work since its natted, but its not really a way to give him an outside ip address. the thing i tried is right, or there is a totally different solution ? |
| 22:03.12 | DerJamster | Sypher: iptables -A FORWARD -s theip -j ROUTE -ouf outputinterface |
| 22:03.13 | Guerin | lunitik: i don't, but the point is that it's a violation of privacy, and they should judge me on the grade of my work, rather than on external factors. |
| 22:03.26 | DerJamster | Sypher: errr, --oif, not -ouf |
| 22:03.36 | Ronin | Guerin: i disagree but thats an arguement for another day :) |
| 22:03.41 | infernix | Sypher: that + policy routing is what you want. |
| 22:03.41 | Sypher | DerJamster, thanks man |
| 22:03.42 | raf256 | pipeline: cool, it is close to my idea but not exacly as good. With my idea there is a pressure on the hw vendor himself |
| 22:04.06 | infernix | Sypher: then all its return traffic will be going the same way as the DNAT stuff |
| 22:04.15 | Guerin | yeah, it is offtopic, even moreso than other discussions in here |
| 22:04.27 | Sypher | infernix, oke i will look "policy routing" up, thanks. |
| 22:04.38 | lunitik | Guerin: I think my view is warped, too used to them now... but I know that my work suffers when I'm using... I believe they have a right to know you're going to be competent... |
| 22:04.52 | NewGirl | found zlib in a .zip too and unzipped it. is there a file i should run to install it. i don't care how it gets done...apt, zip, gz, i just need it done |
| 22:05.12 | stew | raf256: stop, we've heard. it doesn't need repeating |
| 22:05.21 | stew | raf256: do you have any questions that are actually related to debian? |
| 22:05.28 | Ronin | oh please someone mute him or boot him already :) |
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| 22:05.45 | Ronin | cydork: its sunday again |
| 22:05.48 | infernix | Sypher: the basis for it is that once you have more than 1 external, you have more than 1 gateway and through policies you can route traffic through gateway X or Y based on a number of things, including iptable marks |
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| 22:05.52 | stew | NewGirl: why are you trying to install zlib from a zip instead of using apt-get? |
| 22:06.06 | Ronin | stew: please get a straight answer out of her on that one heh |
| 22:06.07 | NewGirl | cuz i can't get apt-get to work |
| 22:06.19 | Ronin | NewGirl: and we asked you to paste you sources.list too |
| 22:06.21 | stew | NewGirl: what is wrong with apt-get? |
| 22:06.32 | cydork | NewGirl: do you have synaptic?? |
| 22:06.35 | stew | NewGirl: please get us the information in "/msg dpkg bat" so we can help you with apt-get |
| 22:06.36 | NewGirl | thought i pasted it |
| 22:06.50 | stew | NewGirl: give us a url where you pasted it |
| 22:07.00 | Sypher | infernix, my current situation is that i have 5 outside ip address in a single interface of the firewall, i would like to have 4 of those point to internal net machines. |
| 22:07.04 | Guerin | lunitik: there are cases I can see a place for it: airline pilots, other professions with substantial acute responsibility, professional athletes, etc. But computer/office/consultant work isn't such a case. |
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| 22:07.24 | NewGirl | yes synaptic |
| 22:07.36 | Ronin | Guerin: personally i wouldnt want to work with anyone under any influence of anything but then i suspect thats an age thing |
| 22:07.42 | Sypher | infernix, the solution i adopted right now is to just forward all the traffic to a specific ip address to a specific machine in the internal net, and then masquerade the network so the traffic can go out too ... but thats kinda ... hum ... bad in my opinion. |
| 22:07.42 | stew | NewGirl: please show us the actual errors you get from apt-get, use a pastebin |
| 22:07.42 | infernix | sypher, well, iptables with DNAT + policy routing can fix that |
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| 22:07.50 | Ronin | NewGirl: please paste the source list and errors yo uget |
| 22:08.13 | Guerin | Ronin: i agree - but tests don't just mark that - they tend to mark recreational use outside the work environment, too. |
| 22:08.16 | NewGirl | not mean to be difficult. every time you ask me to do something i have to figure it out becuase this is all new to me |
| 22:08.27 | infernix | Sypher: theres not many other ways. you could bridge but that means the machines have no internal address anymore. so iptables+policy routing. go learn:) |
| 22:08.31 | Ronin | Guerin: ya that i have a problem with, id test positive for beer more times |
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| 22:08.41 | Guerin | yeah, totally. |
| 22:08.48 | NewGirl | like right now i'm trying to figure out what a paste bin is and how to get the info there |
| 22:08.54 | stew | !pastebin |
| 22:08.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:08.55 | cydork | !paster |
| 22:08.56 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:08.56 | Guerin | if they instituted it on a large scale in NZ, they'd rule out 1/3 of the workforce |
| 22:08.56 | lunitik | Ronin: beer stays in your system only an hour per drink... |
| 22:08.57 | Sypher | infernix, hehe oke. but is that different from what i did now? |
| 22:09.14 | sanmarcos | whats different with -server linux kernel images? |
| 22:09.18 | Ronin | lunitik: or lees in this heat |
| 22:09.24 | lunitik | Ronin: which means you likely have a hangover while at work, which is detrimental to your work... |
| 22:09.34 | Ronin | lunitik: it certainly is |
| 22:10.01 | lunitik | Ronin: I'm in Arizona, can't get much hotter, and its still around an hour (tested with over the counter home tests) |
| 22:10.03 | Guerin | airline crews have a 9-hour bottle-to-throttle curfew |
| 22:10.24 | Guerin | in my experience that's nowhere near enough to get over a proper night's drinking, and that worries me somewhat |
| 22:10.33 | pstickne | heh |
| 22:10.35 | lunitik | Guerin: love to see them prove it if you drink only a few drinks |
| 22:10.48 | stoned | chaos |
| 22:11.04 | infernix | Sypher: no, the DNAT stays the same, the masquearding will change a bit. so from outside to inside its good already, but from inside back out will change. you'll have a SNAT rule for each internal machine that gets mapped to external. is the default gateway set to the external ethX with 5 ips? and are those 5 IPs assigned to the ethX:Y interfaces? |
| 22:11.13 | NewGirl | got it. http://channels.debian.net/paste/3311 |
| 22:11.23 | stoned | ugh |
| 22:11.30 | stoned | beer |
| 22:11.35 | Guerin | mmm, beer |
| 22:11.38 | Sypher | infernix, yea, its like that. |
| 22:11.39 | Ronin | NewGirl: ya thats problemone, you onlyhave security listed |
| 22:11.56 | Ronin | NewGirl: i presume your on sarge/stable? |
| 22:11.56 | stoned | beer is piss water, drink liqour |
| 22:11.59 | stoned | uor* |
| 22:12.00 | Ronin | stew: heathen |
| 22:12.03 | nox-Hand | How come my automake is at version 1.4 when a guy I chat with has 1.9? - how do I upgrade? |
| 22:12.07 | NewGirl | how can i tell. |
| 22:12.10 | Jenkens | stoned: obviously you haven't had the right beer touch your lips |
| 22:12.16 | Ronin | NewGirl: well you did download the iso didnt you? |
| 22:12.16 | Guerin | stoned: spoken like someone who only drinks american beer :) |
| 22:12.22 | NewGirl | yes |
| 22:12.24 | Ronin | Guerin: exactly |
| 22:12.25 | lunitik | NewGirl: meh... security repo's don't have things like xchat ... add something like "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free' |
| 22:12.26 | stoned | Jenkens, I don't drink beer to begin with |
| 22:12.30 | Ronin | NewGirl: so what did you download? |
| 22:12.31 | Jenkens | bummer |
| 22:12.36 | stoned | I've beer in a number of countries, and I dislike it |
| 22:12.36 | stew | NewGirl: run apt-setup |
| 22:12.42 | stew | Ronin: huh? |
| 22:12.42 | stoned | +had |
| 22:12.47 | Jenkens | Guerin: there's plenty of great american beer. just none of it comes from the big 3. |
| 22:12.50 | infernix | Sypher: then you might not need policy routing. you'd just need SNAT rules per machine, like so: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s [local machine ip]/32 -d 0/0 -o [external interface] -j SNAT --to [external ip adres, one of the ethX:Y ones] |
| 22:12.53 | Ronin | stew: pardon? |
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| 22:13.08 | stoned | Ronin, you called him a heathen |
| 22:13.11 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.16 | infernix | Sypher: those should go before the MASQ or general SNAT rule, of course |
| 22:13.16 | cr3 | how can I determine how many processors are detected by the system, I'm on an HT system |
| 22:13.19 | Ronin | i did? damn tab complete |
| 22:13.22 | stew | oh |
| 22:13.24 | infernix | cr3: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:13.30 | Guerin | Jenkens: so I have heard, every time I, err, take the piss. |
| 22:13.37 | lunitik | stoned: Newcastle ... and Mickeys Stinger do me fine :/ |
| 22:13.39 | Ronin | should have been stoned: heathen :) |
| 22:13.51 | Jenkens | Guerin: "spoken like someone who's never tried a microbrew" |
| 22:13.54 | stoned | meh, fuck alcohol |
| 22:13.54 | Ronin | and speaking of beer i have to go off and bottle that porter |
| 22:14.05 | stoned | although I get drunk eveyr now and again, but not on beer |
| 22:14.05 | Ronin | Jenkens: now microbrews rock my world :) |
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| 22:14.08 | Sypher | infernix, that line basically changes the source ip address of the outgoing packets to the one i want right? |
| 22:14.08 | Jenkens | stoned: yes, illicit drugs are so much better *rolls eyes* |
| 22:14.15 | infernix | Sypher: aye |
| 22:14.23 | Sypher | infernix, allright, thanks :) |
| 22:14.26 | stoned | Jenkens, spoken like a true moron. Better/worse are relative |
| 22:14.28 | NewGirl | ran apt-setup. do i want to add another source? |
| 22:14.35 | stoned | ok go back to debian support |
| 22:14.36 | Jenkens | Ronin: i brew beer when i have time.. it's been too damn long i've got ingredients sitting here collecting dust |
| 22:14.37 | stoned | beer rocks |
| 22:14.46 | Sypher | infernix, so that will not give me problems with the masq like jumping the packet directly to another interface would have done .... wow gooooood :) thanks alot man |
| 22:14.48 | sanmarcos | whats different with -server linux kernel images? |
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| 22:15.02 | lunitik | NewGirl: idk, do you? |
| 22:15.04 | nox-Hand | Where would I find the code to add to my ( ETCH ) sources.list so I can get unstable repo? |
| 22:15.07 | infernix | Sypher: masq is a bit outdated. i never use it, always use SNAT. |
| 22:15.09 | nox-Hand | and public key |
| 22:15.14 | NewGirl | what's idk? |
| 22:15.19 | lunitik | NewGirl: you can add a million if you want |
| 22:15.21 | lunitik | !ikd |
| 22:15.24 | lunitik | !idk |
| 22:15.25 | dpkg | well, idk is I don't know... Do you? |
| 22:15.28 | Sypher | infernix, hum ... can i query you a second ? |
| 22:15.35 | infernix | Sypher: sure |
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| 22:16.27 | Guerin | http://www.monteiths.co.nz/wfc/wellington_restaurants.htm |
| 22:16.53 | NewGirl | isee. xchat installing now |
| 22:16.57 | sng | Dear Guerin. You suck and I hate you. Love, sng. |
| 22:17.05 | stoned | lol |
| 22:17.38 | Guerin | stoned: long time :) |
| 22:17.43 | Guerin | sng: long time :) |
| 22:17.48 | stoned | Guerin, my brother hates you too |
| 22:17.54 | sng | Guerin: Indeed, man. :) |
| 22:17.56 | stoned | he doesn't think you suck though |
| 22:18.11 | sng | stoned: I've known Guerin for a good long time. Take my word on this. |
| 22:18.15 | sng | Guerin: :P |
| 22:18.38 | stoned | a few years ago my brother came in here and Guerin was a dick to him, I don't blame him, as my brother is a tard |
| 22:18.46 | NewGirl | still confused about zlib: won't install via apt-get install zlib |
| 22:18.47 | stoned | but just you know, letting ya know ;) |
| 22:18.56 | Guerin | oh, he *was* a damn fool |
| 22:19.00 | NewGirl | do i need to add another line to sources.list? |
| 22:19.07 | sng | Guerin: Anybody I know? |
| 22:19.13 | Guerin | i remember that motherfucker, too |
| 22:19.18 | stoned | lol |
| 22:19.20 | Guerin | don't remembe rthe nick |
| 22:19.24 | sng | Ah damn. |
| 22:19.25 | stoned | ajavid |
| 22:19.33 | Sypher | infernix, ? |
| 22:19.34 | stoned | that was his nick |
| 22:19.35 | notslad | so where do I go to to get help with my gdm problem? I've looked online... I still don't understand how debian is using the Xsession file... |
| 22:19.43 | sng | Oh *that* fucker. |
| 22:19.52 | raf256 | so DRI is the thing I need to play video (overlay) and it is broken in testing xorg 7 i810 right? and I can make it work fully (in opposite to 3d support)? |
| 22:19.55 | stoned | well, I moved away, he still lives with my mom and complains every day of losing his legs |
| 22:20.00 | lunitik | NewGirl: apt-cache search zlib should return zlib-bin ... install that |
| 22:20.09 | sng | stoned: If you do a whois on me you'll see my old nick. He should know who I am. I'm fairly sure I was in on that one. |
| 22:20.09 | Guerin | Somethings Fishy In the Pig Pen |
| 22:20.09 | Guerin | Thrice coo |
| 22:20.09 | Guerin | ked wi |
| 22:20.09 | Guerin | ld bo |
| 22:20.09 | Guerin | ar, ho |
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| 22:20.11 | stoned | I mean hes my brother and all but damn, that shit gets old fast, I can only do so much |
| 22:20.18 | raf256 | pricelss |
| 22:20.27 | stoned | scary network guy, I know |
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| 22:20.38 | stoned | sng, remember I confused y ou with asg like last week |
| 22:20.39 | stoned | lol |
| 22:20.39 | dondelelcaro | notslad: the .xsession file is run from /etc/X11/Xsession; but only if you're using the Debian or Xwindows session (or whatever it's called now) |
| 22:20.41 | sng | stoned: Fair enough. I forget who knows and who doesn't. |
| 22:20.43 | infernix | Sypher: lartc.org :) |
| 22:20.46 | cydork | NewGirl: forget apt and use synaptic |
| 22:20.50 | Sypher | lol aight |
| 22:20.51 | Sypher | ;P |
| 22:20.56 | sng | stoned: No. But then again I forget most IRC convos. |
| 22:20.57 | Guerin | bah, i suck |
| 22:21.09 | sng | Guerin: Hehe. Yeah, you do. :) |
| 22:21.10 | Guerin | ssh and screen over 56k is hard |
| 22:21.25 | sng | Guerin: Golf balls through a garden hose. |
| 22:21.34 | notslad | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to setup gdm for a lab environment.. so it is important to have the configuration global.. |
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| 22:22.01 | dondelelcaro | notslad: that's fine; users should be able to use gdm to pick the global session and configure it with their .xsession |
| 22:22.04 | dondelelcaro | notslad: that's what it's there for. |
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| 22:22.21 | mikefoo | how would I skip the filesystem checking on ext2 partitions? when booting from a unexpected shutdown |
| 22:22.24 | notslad | dondelelcaro: gdm is able to start up individual window managers fine.. but if you don't specify a session, and you haven't ever logged in before, the "Default" session kicks you back to the login screen.. |
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| 22:22.38 | stoned | mikefoo, you don't want to |
| 22:23.10 | mikefoo | no I do |
| 22:23.17 | stoned | why? |
| 22:23.29 | NewGirl | running xchat on debian box now. thank god. makes copy/paste easy |
| 22:23.34 | jelly | mikefoo: can you use ext3 in that case? |
| 22:23.34 | mikefoo | because / or /boot isn't ext2. |
| 22:23.37 | notslad | dondelelcaro: yeah.. but these are college students who probably haven't ever seen linux before.. they'll have to be able to login first.. |
| 22:23.38 | cydork | mikefoo: it's not advised!! |
| 22:23.59 | mikefoo | I have ext3 on / and /boot - I have additional drives on ext2 |
| 22:24.02 | dondelelcaro | notslad: if you've got x-session-manager or x-window-manager or x-terminal-emulater installed, the default should run them. |
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| 22:24.08 | mikefoo | that are useless data. |
| 22:24.24 | mikefoo | I just need to boot up into OS first. |
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| 22:24.41 | stoned | well, the only CDs I could get for free in large quantities was Ubuntu 6.06. I got a box of those and put em in my school's bookstore. |
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| 22:25.44 | zinx | ubuntu's livecds are reaaaaaaaaaaaally slow, as far as livecds go :/ (but.. this is offtopic, so i shall not speak of it again :/ ) |
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| 22:26.06 | infernix | tried live.debian.net cds yet? |
| 22:26.10 | jelly | mikefoo: disable running /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh ? |
| 22:26.15 | notslad | dondelelcaro: i've got filenames for all three of those in my /etc/alternatives directory.. so I'm pretty sure they're installed :^) |
| 22:26.17 | NewGirl | looking at synaptic for first time. no idea how to install zlib |
| 22:26.22 | nox-Hand | I need to change my sources.list in my etch, as it seems I still have too old packages (( like automake 1.4, where i need over 1.8 )) What do I do? |
| 22:26.31 | dondelelcaro | notslad: more importantly, you've got them in /usr/bin, right? |
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| 22:26.51 | stoned | NewGirl, close synaptic, get in command line, and type as root, apt-get update && apt-get install zlib |
| 22:27.03 | pstickne | does anyone know where hdparam comes from? |
| 22:27.14 | notslad | dondelelcaro: yep, that's where they are |
| 22:27.55 | dondelelcaro | notslad: ok; check .xsession-errors to see what is going on |
| 22:28.05 | NewGirl | stoned: couldn't find zlib |
| 22:28.14 | NewGirl | couldn't find package zlib |
| 22:28.24 | jelly | mikefoo: Perhaps if you don't need that data on boot, don't mount them via fstab in the first place. |
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| 22:28.33 | infernix | NewGirl: apt-cache search [something] shows a list of packages. so apt-cache search zlib |
| 22:28.54 | infernix | NewGirl: then apt-get install [package] will install it. probably zlib1g in this case |
| 22:29.54 | NewGirl | couldn't find package zliblg |
| 22:30.23 | infernix | NewGirl: it was an example. and it's a number, not the letter l in zlib*1*g |
| 22:30.26 | amphi | NewGirl: 1g - one, not lowercase 'L' - fox your font ;) |
| 22:30.28 | mikefoo | jelly: well I need to boot into system, now, so do I have any options? |
| 22:30.39 | amphi | NewGirl: er, fix |
| 22:30.50 | jelly | mikefoo: do a fsck. |
| 22:30.52 | nox-Hand | Laters guys, I'm off for Arch Linux |
| 22:31.10 | notslad | dondelelcaro: ok, I think I might have found the problem.. but it doesn't seem like it should be a problem... the default x-session was startkde and not gnome-session... and KDE was the one only one I couldn't get to work right.. however, when I manually selected KDE it just froze, without spitting me back to gdm.. |
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| 22:31.26 | jelly | mikefoo: do you have /usr, /var and /etc available? |
| 22:31.34 | pstickne | does anyone know which package provides hdparam? apt-cache search returns only a LG issue. |
| 22:31.41 | notslad | dondelelcaro: I'll go try it out |
| 22:31.44 | pstickne | is there a site to search that would tell me? |
| 22:31.46 | NewGirl | super piseed at self...thanx amphi...1 not L |
| 22:31.54 | dondelelcaro | notslad: yeah, you should set the default session to be Xsession, actually. |
| 22:31.54 | infernix | pstickne: hdparm |
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| 22:32.39 | amphi | NewGirl: heh |
| 22:32.44 | pstickne | crazy :X |
| 22:32.57 | notslad | dondelelcaro: update-alternatives shows only gnome-session and startkde as my possible options.. |
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| 22:33.19 | pstickne | infernix, thanks |
| 22:33.19 | infernix | pstickne: packages.debian.org. or /msg dpkg find [file] |
| 22:34.06 | pstickne | infernix, I was looking for hdparam and not hdparm :( |
| 22:34.37 | notslad | dondelelcaro: and I still haven't figured out how to add another option... I'd like to do this "the debian way".. but I guess I might have to force the link myself if it really needs to point to /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 22:34.42 | dondelelcaro | notslad: sorry; two separate things... one is the default /etc/gdm/Sessions/ and the other the default x-session-manager; if the first is set to Xsession, then yeah, changing it is probably the right way to go. |
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| 22:36.16 | notslad | dondelelcaro: right now, the only thing in /etc/gdm/Sessions is a file called "fluxbox" that exec's fluxbox.. |
| 22:36.26 | pstickne | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.40 | dondelelcaro | notslad: oh, there should be a file in there that starts Xsession; you're using gdm, rigth? |
| 22:37.03 | infernix | pstickne: very low actually. |
| 22:37.05 | notslad | dondelelcaro: yeah, gdm.. |
| 22:37.07 | pstickne | infernix, :(( |
| 22:37.38 | NewGirl | for instance. i want to install freetype so i apt-cache search freetype. i get a list of 20 items. how do i tell which one? am i the only one who struggles with this in the beginning? |
| 22:37.54 | infernix | pstickne: 7200rpm sata disk here does 11.5MB/s. |
| 22:37.55 | DerJamster | apt-cache search -n ^freetype |
| 22:38.03 | notslad | dondelelcaro: should I create a link there called "Xsession" that points to /etc/X11/Xsession? |
| 22:38.32 | infernix | pstickne: actually that was my old scsi disk. my sata does 49.85MB/s |
| 22:38.39 | pstickne | infernix, :( |
| 22:38.49 | pstickne | infernix, any idea where to look? |
| 22:39.07 | infernix | pstickne: try hdparm -T to check if its the bus speed. |
| 22:39.07 | NewGirl | DerJamster: did that and got a list of 5. should i install them all? |
| 22:39.31 | dondelelcaro | notslad: I think so, yes... but looking at this it looks like they've changed the configuration setup for gdm again |
| 22:39.34 | pstickne | cached reads are ~700MB/s |
| 22:40.32 | pstickne | infernix, well, before I get all riled up, I need to try this in the standard sarg kernel and in slack :) |
| 22:40.41 | DerJamster | NewGirl: actually...wait a sec. |
| 22:40.43 | pstickne | infernix, slackware didn't seem to suffer from "X chop" that this is |
| 22:41.06 | DerJamster | NewGirl: it's a library, so you want libfreetype*somenumber* |
| 22:42.11 | DerJamster | Or just 'x-window-system' in her case, to be sure. |
| 22:42.19 | lunitik | libfreetype* should come with that |
| 22:44.10 | lunitik | NewGirl: aptitude search libfreetype | grep ^i |
| 22:44.19 | lunitik | NewGirl: if that returns something, its already installed |
| 22:45.09 | NewGirl | lunitik: because NewGirl does not know what that is or why she should need it. new girl has been running debian for two days and does not know much yet. |
| 22:45.17 | cydork | NewGirl: what do you want to do exactly? |
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| 22:46.07 | NewGirl | get zlib, libpng and freetype 2 installed. i have a script from an associate that needs these depenencies |
| 22:46.18 | notslad | dondelelcaro: do they post changes to the gdm configuration with the release of the latest Debian? |
| 22:46.47 | crazy_penguin | night all |
| 22:47.04 | cydork | NewGirl: ok and are you using sarge or etch?? |
| 22:47.18 | NewGirl | i'm completely humiliated to say i don't know |
| 22:47.18 | dondelelcaro | notslad: I'm not sure what you mean by post changes; your changes are preserved and the difference between them is presented to you at upgrade time |
| 22:47.31 | crazy_penguin | sleep well :) |
| 22:47.50 | lunitik | NewGirl: source? you probably want the -dev packages |
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| 22:48.09 | notslad | dondelelcaro: this is a completely fresh install... |
| 22:48.20 | lunitik | NewGirl: what is the source the assosiate wants you to install though? chances are its already in the archive |
| 22:48.21 | linlin | i need to increase the resolution of a command line only linux environment |
| 22:48.23 | linlin | is it possible? |
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| 22:48.32 | lunitik | associate even |
| 22:48.32 | infernix | NewGirl: for all software you need to install, apt-cache search [software]. it will then present a list of packages; usually it's the package which is named exactly like what you are looking for. |
| 22:48.52 | lunitik | NewGirl: so someone you work with gave you a file... and you don't know what it is? |
| 22:49.02 | dondelelcaro | notslad: right, I'm just saying that I'm not entirely sure exactly what has changed since I last went through the gdm configuration carefully |
| 22:49.05 | infernix | NewGirl: so, apt-cache search libpng and apt-get install the libpngsomething package which is listed. |
| 22:49.27 | dondelelcaro | notslad: but since you seem to be having the x-session-manager alternative running, you're most likely running Xsession already. |
| 22:49.44 | lunitik | infernix: libfreetype# will already be installed... so he "script" is probably source... |
| 22:49.48 | rorrr | linlin : yes. watch lilo or grub vga options |
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| 22:50.16 | |blue| | Anyone know of a cheapish modem that works and stuff w/ debian/linux distros in gereral? |
| 22:50.46 | lunitik | infernix: I'm sure libpng# will be too... and zlib |
| 22:50.51 | notslad | dondelelcaro: well blast.. I'm out of time.. |
| 22:51.04 | rorrr | |blue| : any ethernet base modem will. |
| 22:51.12 | notslad | dondelelcaro: thanx for you help, though! I really appreciate it! |
| 22:51.25 | lunitik | NewGirl: he give you any instructions to do with the script? |
| 22:51.30 | |blue| | SOmething that i can get on dial-up with |
| 22:51.32 | magyar | anyone with amd64 here? |
| 22:51.44 | NewGirl | yes. "figure it out" |
| 22:51.45 | |blue| | <- there |
| 22:51.55 | zinx | !tell magyar about polls |
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| 22:52.00 | Xenguy | |blue|: avoid windmodems - everything else should work AFAIK |
| 22:52.10 | lunitik | NewGirl: you said you unzipped it... what kind of that does it contain? |
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| 22:52.15 | |blue| | Yeah... |
| 22:52.17 | lunitik | s/that/thing |
| 22:52.20 | Xenguy | |blue|: er, winmodems |
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| 22:52.42 | lunitik | NewGirl: any mention of things like "configure" or "Makefile" etc? |
| 22:52.58 | notslad | dondelelcaro is great! |
| 22:53.04 | magyar | my firefox is broken on amd64 for 4 days now on sid, it seem to work with ia32. SOS! |
| 22:53.15 | NewGirl | good news/bad news: no more zlib, libpng erros. i think i got the installed now. |
| 22:53.32 | RichiH | magyar: mine works, but i saw a new package, today |
| 22:53.49 | NewGirl | new error: asking for libxml 2.4.14 distrobution |
| 22:54.05 | NewGirl | distribution |
| 22:54.09 | cydork | magyar: did you check BTS? |
| 22:54.31 | infernix | magyar: #debian-amd64 |
| 22:54.34 | magyar | RichiH: if i go to news.google.ca and any other sites i get giberish and thick lines |
| 22:55.00 | magyar | infernix: it's dead, i've been trying for three days now |
| 22:55.11 | infernix | magyar: on oftc.net |
| 22:55.11 | lunitik | NewGirl: apt-get install libxml2 |
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| 22:55.32 | magyar | infernix: i didn't get that |
| 22:55.46 | infernix | !oftc |
| 22:55.47 | dpkg | [oftc] the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 22:55.58 | jstampe | I did a apt-get dist-upgrade, and now my box is lucked in some sort of dependenci-problem.. Im running unstable, and it is complaing about libc6 and libc6-dev.. |
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| 22:56.32 | stew | jstampe: show us the actual output, use a pastebin /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:56.32 | lunitik | jstampe: shitty... its unstable, fix it |
| 22:56.36 | infernix | jstampe: its unstable. that comes with the package - its not stable. |
| 22:56.42 | RichiH | !fact sharing |
| 22:56.42 | dpkg | i heard fact sharing is I show the same facts on both freenode and OFTC. If you update a fact on one network, it will show up on the other network |
| 22:56.51 | RichiH | well, duh |
| 22:57.04 | letto | is there a issue with the alsa sound server ? |
| 22:57.23 | infernix | letto: not likely, there is no such thing |
| 22:57.37 | jstampe | http://pastebin.ca/110808 That is the error i get.. |
| 22:58.05 | letto | i get a dev/dsp can't be opened |
| 22:58.21 | infernix | jstampe: check the BTS for libc6-dev. other than that i dont know. |
| 22:58.36 | sanmarcos | how do I make aptitude not automatically mark 'recomendations' of other packages for instalation? |
| 22:58.42 | jstampe | infernix: BTS ? |
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| 22:58.49 | magyar | infernix: i don't think it's firefox, this problem occures with all "gnome" type applications in KDE |
| 22:58.53 | infernix | jstampe: bugs.debian.org |
| 22:59.48 | magyar | infernix: gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 22:59.48 | NewGirl | is this what they call "dependency hell"? why don't apps come bundled with denepdencies? |
| 23:00.12 | lunitik | NewGirl: no, this is whats called "idiots shouldn't run sid" |
| 23:00.28 | NewGirl | what is "sid" |
| 23:00.33 | lunitik | !sid |
| 23:00.33 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 23:00.35 | Xenguy | NewGirl: unstable |
| 23:00.53 | infernix | sid is like a never changing automobile. constantly being worked on. |
| 23:01.02 | infernix | and sometimes they break the engine for a few days. |
| 23:01.07 | vicscandl | sid=vw microbus |
| 23:01.46 | jstampe | "Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in." I guess i don't have those skills.. ;) |
| 23:01.50 | NewGirl | infernix: too many new metaphores. NewGirl has no context to understand |
| 23:02.00 | lunitik | Xenguy: testing is Still In Development too :/ |
| 23:02.14 | infernix | NewGirl: you dont drive a car i guess?:P |
| 23:02.24 | cydork | infernix, hehehehhe :D |
| 23:02.35 | Xenguy | lunitik: less so tho |
| 23:02.39 | lunitik | NewGirl: Sid breaks a lot, if you don't take measures to avoid it, it can be a pain |
| 23:02.58 | stew | jstampe: does /usr/include/gnu-versions.h exist? |
| 23:03.02 | lunitik | NewGirl: you're running Stable, so you needn't worry about such things :D |
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| 23:04.03 | lunitik | NewGirl: if you run Sid, you're expected to be knowledgeable enough to fix things that go wrong... |
| 23:04.14 | lunitik | NewGirl: Stable, things shouldn't go wrong. |
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| 23:04.29 | infernix | sid's for pros. |
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| 23:05.22 | ice_1963 | if you run sid you better know what your doing :) |
| 23:05.38 | jstampe | stew: No, i guess not.. |
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| 23:06.26 | magyar | i have a problem where all my gnome applications display garbage on screen when launched in KDE |
| 23:07.11 | lunitik | magyar: lots of people are having that issue... |
| 23:08.00 | SerajewelKS | just today, sauer has started saying "sound init failed (SDL_mixer): Failed loading glXGetSwapIntervalMESA: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: glXGetSwapIntervalMESA" |
| 23:08.00 | magyar | lunitik: do you know which lib is causing that. It was all working perfect a few days ago |
| 23:08.02 | lunitik | magyar: should be in BTS... I believe its only *64 and Sid... |
| 23:08.06 | stew | hmm libc6-dev doesn't even have any maintainer scripts |
| 23:08.27 | SerajewelKS | i've tried downgrading libsdl-sound1.2 and -mixer1.2 but it doesn't help |
| 23:08.38 | SerajewelKS | libGL has not been touched |
| 23:08.52 | lunitik | (*64 being ia64 and amd64) |
| 23:08.53 | magyar | lunitik: how does one find this information? I have no clue for what to query with querybts |
| 23:09.04 | stew | jstampe: what do you get when you run "stat /usr/include/gnu-versions.h" |
| 23:09.09 | jelly | SerajewelKS: wtf does sdl audio have to do with mesa anyway. :-| |
| 23:09.18 | SerajewelKS | jelly: good question =/ |
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| 23:10.28 | jstampe | stew: stat: cannot stat `/usr/include/gnu-versions.h': Permission denied |
| 23:10.46 | stew | jstampe: ok, what is the output of "ls -ld /usr/include" ? |
| 23:11.12 | NewGirl | getting the hang of apt-cache search and what to look for. obviously the cincepts here are much different than Windows environment. |
| 23:11.13 | jstampe | stew: drwxr-xr-x 33 root root 4424 2006-08-02 00:55 /usr/include |
| 23:11.24 | NewGirl | concepts, not cincepts |
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| 23:11.52 | fs-a | hi, any idea why I lost antialiasing on firefox fonts today? |
| 23:11.56 | fs-a | (sid0 |
| 23:11.57 | infernix | NewGirl: matter of taste. but thats console though. gnome or kde feel very windows like, to me at least. |
| 23:11.58 | fs-a | ) |
| 23:12.22 | magyar | fs-a: stay in line |
| 23:12.24 | stew | jstampe: what about "lsattr -d /usr/include" is it all dashes? |
| 23:12.36 | magyar | fs-a: i thought i was the only one |
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| 23:12.57 | NewGirl | don't get me wrong. i'm starting to like the console. it's just that it's so new, i don't always know what questions to ask |
| 23:13.02 | fs-a | magyar: i found sth on google groups about 'antialiasing after kde update" |
| 23:13.06 | magyar | fs-a: apparently something is broken, don't ask me what |
| 23:13.07 | fs-a | mm.. |
| 23:13.14 | jstampe | "lsattr -d /usr/include" outouts "----------------- /usr/include" |
| 23:13.18 | stew | hrm |
| 23:13.25 | fs-a | > Disabling and enabling antialiasing again in kde control / appearance and |
| 23:13.27 | fs-a | > themes / fonts removed the problem. |
| 23:13.28 | fs-a | ok |
| 23:13.39 | fs-a | magyar: kde? |
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| 23:13.46 | magyar | fs-a: yeap |
| 23:13.49 | fs-a | me too |
| 23:14.00 | ma3x | how do I clear the boot loader on my /dev/hda3? |
| 23:14.17 | magyar | fs-a: it effects all gnome ot gtk type applications |
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| 23:14.29 | stew | jstampe: hrm. that doesn't all add up. could be filesystem corruption? is /usr a separate partition? |
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| 23:14.49 | fs-a | magyar: ok, i disabled ("apply") and enabled (and "apply") antialiasing on kde control pannel and its fixed |
| 23:15.03 | nox-Hand | I am getting an error when attempting to write a dvd - it cannot find an executable called growisofs - what is this? |
| 23:15.08 | NewGirl | actually, the apt concept is really cool. |
| 23:15.15 | stew | nox-Hand: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:15.20 | magyar | fs-a: let me try, btw, did you end the session? |
| 23:15.26 | fs-a | magyar: no |
| 23:15.33 | fs-a | restarted firefox only |
| 23:15.36 | ma3x | how do I clear the boot loader on my /dev/hda3? |
| 23:15.46 | deadcat_ | any creative person here? we are having problem with the linuxpicnic logo for the tshirt this year.. need a designer.. |
| 23:15.47 | stew | ma3x: remove it entirely? or replace it? |
| 23:16.05 | jstampe | stew: Have thought about a filesystem corruption, because the system seems to freeze for a while when i do "ls /usr/includes" |
| 23:16.08 | magyar | fs-a: you rock, thanks! |
| 23:16.09 | infernix | NewGirl: theres nothing quite much like it in terms of ease of use. there's aptitude but i dont like it much, theres synaptic which i never tried, and theres also dselect. |
| 23:16.17 | fs-a | magyar: :D |
| 23:16.25 | stew | jstampe: i'd fsck the partition |
| 23:16.36 | nox-Hand | Cheers, I needed a dvd+rw-tools, stew |
| 23:16.46 | NewGirl | i have mass designer experience here but not with linux apps. what do you need? |
| 23:16.54 | ma3x | stew, tell me both variants please |
| 23:17.23 | stew | ma3x: are you sure you mean /dev/hda3 and not /dev/hda? bootloaders typically go on a drive, not on a partition |
| 23:17.29 | NewGirl | deadcat_: what designer experience do you need? |
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| 23:17.56 | deadcat_ | NewGirl: any.. last year sucked. |
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| 23:18.13 | jstampe | stew: I'll try that, but could that be related to my dependeci-problem? :) |
| 23:18.21 | cydork | deadcat_: what about debian swirl :P!! what do you say guys?? |
| 23:18.42 | bloc76 | anyone know why the cpu usage of mysql wouldn't show up in top? |
| 23:18.44 | deadcat_ | NewGirl: last year tshirt look like this: http://picnix.org/pix/picnix14-winner-480.png the penguin looks on crack |
| 23:18.55 | cafuego | lunitik: You're the only kde user in here, so who knows? |
| 23:19.03 | stew | jstampe: you don't have a dependency problem. that libc6-dev package is solving a dependency problem |
| 23:19.04 | NewGirl | not sure what you're asking for. design concepts? photoshop and illustrator skills? or does this relate directly to debian apps and techical issues, in which case, i will be no help at all. |
| 23:19.05 | ma3x | stew, when you 're in grub , you first do root (hd0,2) for /dev/hda3 for example. So that means you're setting it up on that partition right? and later you do setup (hd0) |
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| 23:19.19 | lunitik | cafuego: not true... 2 people have complained about it in the last 30 mins |
| 23:19.25 | cydork | lunitik: you use kde?? :P |
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| 23:19.37 | blx | ls |
| 23:19.40 | deadcat_ | cydork: (= dont think that will work. it should have something like these http://picnix.org/PIX/ |
| 23:19.41 | pstickne | how can I install a new packages _without_ moving whole bunch of already installed packages? (I don't care if they are possible conflicts) |
| 23:19.42 | jstampe | stew: Okay.. But when i do fsck.reiserfs /dev/hda1 i get this: Partition /dev/hda1 is mounted with write permissions, cannot check it |
| 23:19.44 | blx | ...ehm |
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| 23:20.14 | deadcat_ | NewGirl: this year is picn*x 15 if are wondering (= |
| 23:20.29 | stew | jstampe: yeah, you have to mount it readonly (which you could do if /usr was a separate partition) or you can touch /forcefsck and reboot |
| 23:20.36 | ma3x | stew, just tell me how do I entirely clear the master boot record? |
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| 23:20.45 | lunitik | cafuego: I'm just the only KDE user that frequents #debian ... #kde has some too :/ |
| 23:20.57 | cafuego | but that's a complete ghetto |
| 23:20.58 | jstampe | stew: I'll do the latter.. Thanks :) |
| 23:21.17 | NewGirl | deadcat_:that is one happy penguin! |
| 23:21.31 | stew | ma3x: you want to make it so that you can no longer boot from your primary hard drive? |
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| 23:21.47 | deadcat_ | NewGirl: ya. but the use of the penguin for the char X is just ugly.... |
| 23:22.08 | ma3x | stew, if you for eg. boot from the windows xp cd, you can clear the master boot record, and then it automatically always boots into windows. what's that? |
| 23:22.09 | stew | ma3x: "you first do root (hd0,2) for /dev/hda3" that is just having grub tell the kernel what partition to load after grub hands control to the kernel |
| 23:22.11 | neeto | I have a wifi card with an atheros chipset, but it doesn't show up as ath0 |
| 23:22.14 | infernix | deadcat_: lol, didnt even notice that yet |
| 23:22.23 | neeto | I have a wifi card with an atheros chipset, but it doesn't show up as ath0, how do I get it to? |
| 23:22.31 | deadcat_ | infernix: ya.. because its that ugly.. and i have to wear that tshirt (= |
| 23:22.40 | infernix | o_O |
| 23:22.44 | cydork | !tell neeto about repeat |
| 23:22.54 | deadcat_ | neeto: dont repeat |
| 23:23.06 | neeto | lol |
| 23:23.07 | deadcat_ | cydork: i sure told him |
| 23:23.08 | neeto | Sorry |
| 23:23.09 | ma3x | brb |
| 23:23.15 | infernix | neeto: probably something like: apt-get install madwifi-sources module-assistant; m-a update; m-a prepare; m-a a-i madwifi |
| 23:23.16 | lunitik | deadcat_: imo, the second one's theme is best, only, use the penguin on all characters... picnics tend to have more than one person etc ;) |
| 23:23.22 | neeto | I wanted to ask a question, rather than tell a statement |
| 23:23.23 | stew | ma3x: you need to have a bootloader still, you can put a bootloader similar to the one that comes with windows with the "mbr" package. or by running "fdisk /mbr" from dos fdisk (not linux fdisk) |
| 23:23.26 | cydork | neeto: is it usb? |
| 23:23.31 | neeto | PCI |
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| 23:24.06 | Cooner750 | Just installed Debian. Need some help |
| 23:24.16 | ma3x | stew, how do I do that (perform the same) 'fdisk /mbr' under linux/ |
| 23:24.21 | ma3x | or can't I? |
| 23:24.27 | lunitik | Cooner750: again? hah... so you hadn't pinned, yay |
| 23:24.36 | stew | ma3x: with the mbr package, install it and read /usr/share/doc/mbr/README.Debian |
| 23:24.41 | infernix | ma3x: apt-get install mbr |
| 23:24.46 | ma3x | thanks |
| 23:24.51 | cydork | neeto: /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 23:24.56 | ma3x | and what if I install grub on more partitions |
| 23:25.06 | Cooner750 | I installed and I am unable to set my resolution past 1024x768, Yes I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and selected 1280x1024 and restarted and it will still not show in Gnome |
| 23:25.08 | ma3x | what will then happen? I will never be able to boot/ |
| 23:25.13 | Cooner750 | this is on an LCD |
| 23:25.17 | ma3x | how do I clear them then? only with the mbr package? |
| 23:25.30 | deadcat_ | lunitik: ya. but the logo they have plan for this year is bad.. most people thing its a frog instead of a penguin |
| 23:25.52 | stew | ma3x: grub doesn'tt typically get installed on parittions, its only installed on the mbr |
| 23:26.01 | ma3x | ok thnx |
| 23:26.02 | deadcat_ | lunitik: http://picnix.org/LogoContest/linux-picnix.jpg |
| 23:26.04 | lunitik | deadcat_: I take it this years is #15? |
| 23:26.15 | deadcat_ | lunitik: you're correcto |
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| 23:26.24 | zinx | deadcat_: that *IS* a frog |
| 23:26.31 | deadcat_ | HAHAHAH |
| 23:26.42 | deadcat_ | zinx: thats a rainbow frog then |
| 23:26.47 | zinx | deadcat_: maybe with an outline it would be a penguin |
| 23:26.50 | lunitik | deadcat_: hah.... a little too much umm... I forget the effect's name |
| 23:26.54 | zinx | deadcat_: but as is... IT IS A FROG. |
| 23:26.56 | NewGirl | thanks for yuor help, infernix, cydork, lunitik, et al. i'm still getting erros but i am able to work through them as they come up now. |
| 23:27.07 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.39 | lunitik | NewGirl: thats good... people forget how it was when they first tried Debian... everything will make sense eventually :D |
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| 23:28.26 | zinx | lunitik: i'd been using my own hand-grown distro for many years before i switched to debian.. i'm not forgetting a thing :P |
| 23:28.40 | cydork | lunitik: i first used potato :P i cant forget that installation :) |
| 23:28.43 | Cooner750 | Anyone? |
| 23:29.17 | lunitik | cydork: I started trying to install potato... gave up, and finally succeeded with woody :o |
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| 23:29.48 | liable | Cooner750: check the log to see what it says about the higher resolutions |
| 23:29.57 | cydork | lunitik: woody had a much better installer man. |
| 23:30.16 | Cooner750 | where is the log? |
| 23:30.19 | lunitik | zinx: ahhh... I'm not sure I could switch in those circumstances... so much work thrown out the window :( |
| 23:30.31 | lunitik | zinx: although you're sure to have learned a lot :) |
| 23:30.32 | zinx | lunitik: it was to prevent future work |
| 23:30.33 | infernix | deadcat_: you can undo the frogness just by a simple line, drawing the shape of the penguin |
| 23:30.36 | liable | Cooner750: /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 23:30.45 | zinx | lunitik: i was getting tired of keeping up-to-date :/ |
| 23:31.05 | lunitik | zinx: good point... good learning process though! |
| 23:31.16 | deadcat_ | infernix: its cool. i am gonna ask my friend to design a better one tomorrow.. one that will make people drool over. (= |
| 23:31.18 | cydork | zinx: i tried linux from scratch but i was to lazy to maintain it |
| 23:31.28 | cydork | s/to/too |
| 23:31.47 | zinx | cydork: heh, this was before that term was coined |
| 23:32.10 | deadcat_ | infernix: i was hoping someone here can design as well so we have more to choose from. |
| 23:32.18 | Cooner750 | Here's the log http://pastebin.ca/110845 |
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| 23:33.18 | cydork | zinx: :) heheh |
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| 23:35.33 | lunitik | Certainly there is too much inversion with the frogs... |
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| 23:36.14 | jstampe | stew: I've checked my filesystem and it is clean.. Maybe my harddrive fails.. :/ |
| 23:36.50 | fasta | What's a secure way of isolating a process, s.t. it cannot touch the rest of the file system? chroot? Or are there better methods for sandboxing? |
| 23:37.00 | stew | btw, why is shadowcat never here when someone is actaully having serious reiserfs problems |
| 23:37.09 | kingsley | Is there a conventional wisdom on how, if possible, to assign a (local) domain name to a local IP address (192.168.*.*) that's assigned by dhcp? |
| 23:37.27 | infernix | fasta: chroot, chroot+selinux or other hardeing patches, or qemu (virtualization) |
| 23:37.33 | infernix | *hardening |
| 23:38.17 | fasta | infernix: can qemy only load OS's? Or also direct Linux binaries? |
| 23:38.20 | Cooner750 | My monitor's native resolution is 1280x1024 so 1024x768 looks quite bad |
| 23:38.21 | stew | kingsley: "apt-cache search dhcp dns" shows a coupld of hopefuls |
| 23:38.31 | fasta | infernix: qemu, even |
| 23:38.38 | infernix | fasta: it'll be a completely virtual machine, basically the ultimate chroot |
| 23:38.44 | stew | jstampe: but i dunno how you are getting what you are getting if you filesystem is really intact |
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| 23:38.58 | kingsley | stew: Very good. Thank you. |
| 23:39.00 | stew | jstampe: the hd might be causing fs corruption |
| 23:39.05 | fasta | infernix: but you need to install an OS on that first? |
| 23:39.09 | infernix | fasta: yea |
| 23:39.20 | stew | jstampe: but i still believe you have filesystem corruption. if you have read access on a directory, i don't know why you can't run stat in that directory |
| 23:39.40 | fasta | infernix: thank you |
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| 23:39.51 | jstampe | stew: Could i check the filesystem i depth with some parametres to fsck ? |
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| 23:40.13 | stew | jstampe: i don't really know about reiserfs, sorry |
| 23:40.25 | jstampe | stew: Ok.. |
| 23:40.30 | Cooner750 | Does anyone here have a guide to install the Java Runtime Enviroment in Debian? |
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| 23:41.06 | stew | jstampe: can you "touch /usr/include/foo" (i can't remember the foo in question here). if so can you stat it after that? |
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| 23:41.34 | CHodapp | Cooner750, you need make-jpkg and Sun's JRE (though others will work, like Blackdown), unfortunately I can't find what I used myself as a reference... |
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| 23:41.55 | stew | Cooner750: /msg dpkg install java |
| 23:42.26 | jstampe | stew: touch: cannot touch `/usr/include/gnu-versions.h': Permission denied |
| 23:43.02 | Cooner750 | Is the Java Virtual Machine the one I need to run Java programs/ |
| 23:43.02 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 23:43.08 | jstampe | stew: http://jstampe.dk/snapshot.jpg Take a look at this screenshot.. The read files are damaged, right? :/ |
| 23:43.33 | stew | jstampe: yeah, i've seen that before with reiserfs |
| 23:43.38 | stew | jstampe: you have filesystem corruption |
| 23:43.49 | stew | Shadowcat!! where are you |
| 23:43.56 | jstampe | stew: Always use ext3 right? =) |
| 23:44.02 | stew | right |
| 23:46.44 | aarkerio | Hi! I cannot create thre fglrx kernel module |
| 23:46.47 | Cooner750 | Does anyone here know what Java i need to be able to run Wildfire Jabber Server? |
| 23:46.54 | abrotman | ask them ? |
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| 23:47.01 | infernix | !ati oneliner |
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| 23:47.05 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 23:47.06 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 23:47.06 | infernix | !ati-oneliner |
| 23:47.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
| 23:47.21 | infernix | aarkerio: thats for you:) |
| 23:47.23 | neeto | I downloaded madwifi, I made it, make installed it, and then I tried to m-a a-i madwifi and it says "What is madwifi?" |
| 23:47.39 | aarkerio | infernix, thanks |
| 23:47.57 | infernix | neeto: you arent supposed to make install madwifi. did you apt-get install it? |
| 23:48.04 | neeto | Well |
| 23:48.08 | neeto | I don't have the right sources |
| 23:48.13 | neeto | So I can only download hostapd |
| 23:48.28 | infernix | neeto: i told you to apt-get install madwifi-source, not to grab the sources from the madwifi site |
| 23:48.29 | k-google | neeto: Check your path |
| 23:48.38 | neeto | Ok well |
| 23:49.13 | neeto | Tell me where to get the source for the sources.list file because the file I want apparently, isn't on the list I get if I do apt-cache search madwifi |
| 23:49.17 | neeto | It just comes up with hostap |
| 23:49.26 | neeto | hostapd* |
| 23:49.27 | neeto | That's it. |
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| 23:50.40 | abrotman | you probably need non-free for madwifi |
| 23:50.42 | infernix | neeto: do you have the contrib and non-free lines in /etc/apt/sources.list? and are you on sarge or etch? |
| 23:50.49 | neeto | etch |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | no .. i mean |
| 23:51.06 | abrotman | !tell neeto about non-free |
| 23:51.13 | infernix | well then change "main" into "main contrib non-free", update, and try again. |
| 23:51.15 | abrotman | !feed me |
| 23:51.18 | abrotman | bastard |
| 23:51.33 | infernix | but by make instaling from source you probably messed it up for yourself, you should try make uninstall |
| 23:52.01 | Cooner750 | what is the Debian unstable/non-free repository? |
| 23:52.31 | abrotman | !non-free |
| 23:52.31 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there or contrib, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 23:52.51 | infernix | Cooner750: you shouldnt run unstable. unstable is the development branch of debian. you should stick to stable if you're new to debian |
| 23:54.36 | neeto | Ok it's working now, I think, m-a is at least |
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| 23:54.42 | neeto | What is the next step here? |
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| 23:54.53 | abrotman | build the module? use it? |
| 23:54.56 | infernix | modprobe the modules. or run discover |
| 23:55.00 | neeto | Alright cool |
| 23:55.02 | neeto | Thanks |
| 23:55.08 | infernix | apt-get install madwifi-tools perhaps |
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| 23:59.18 | Cooner750 | I cannot seem to be able to install Java this way http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Debian_Java_JRE/JDK_installation_from_APT_repositories |
| 23:59.27 | neeto | What are the files I am supposed to modprobe? |
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| 23:59.32 | infernix | Cooner750: /msg dpkg java |
| 23:59.33 | Cooner750 | After adding the repository and updating, it still says package not found |
| 23:59.49 | abrotman | neeto: i'm sure there are docs in /usr/share/doc/madwifi* |
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