| 00:00.14 | surfdue | for 3.1 |
| 00:00.16 | stoned | Vasistha, the problem is, I mean they like to browse around my home for porn, when I dont' even have any, but they don't believe me. |
| 00:00.19 | eastwood | or you can restrict them with group |
| 00:00.19 | eastwood | i mean, only the owner can see and not the group |
| 00:00.27 | stoned | I dn't want to add more users to the system either |
| 00:00.31 | Vasistha | surfdue: "good" is relative. I have a sources.list that is good for people living in Los Angeles, because it uses local repositories |
| 00:00.39 | stoned | I am always logged in my pc, and I just let them sit here and use the net |
| 00:00.42 | epsilon | S0UL_0F_R00T: post your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere |
| 00:00.45 | stoned | I just want to protect some folders |
| 00:00.53 | surfdue | what about just a general sources.list |
| 00:00.56 | Vasistha | stoned: ...but you don't want to put them on a separate partition? |
| 00:00.59 | surfdue | i just need official existing urls |
| 00:00.59 | S0UL_0F_R00T | epsilon> i have an ideia give one minute. |
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| 00:01.01 | surfdue | it dosnt matter where |
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| 00:01.13 | Vasistha | ~tell Jenkens about search |
| 00:01.14 | stoned | Vasistha, I can't really yeah, so there are some limitations I face |
| 00:01.20 | S0UL_0F_R00T | epsilon> if i clear the firewall rules all works fine |
| 00:01.22 | nvz | stoned: then mount other volumes on those folders.. perhaps even loopback files and make it so you need a password to mount them |
| 00:01.32 | stoned | I mean, I am a stoner not an idiot, I've already thought of everything you guys have suggested, but its unfeaseable fo rme |
| 00:01.54 | eastwood | so they're using your own login? |
| 00:02.00 | Vasistha | stoned: hidden files? |
| 00:02.06 | Vasistha | ...or folders? |
| 00:02.08 | Jenkens | hrmm |
| 00:02.12 | stoned | eastwood, dude, they make me get up from my chair and sit here and use my compter |
| 00:02.32 | stoned | I am not adding more users to my system that I don't need to, this is also not very common, they visit sometimes, like once/tiwce a week |
| 00:02.40 | eastwood | lol... |
| 00:02.49 | Vasistha | stoned: how important is it that they not see these private files? |
| 00:02.54 | Jenkens | why is it sometimes apt-get asks me if i want to continue an installation and other times it just does it without asking |
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| 00:03.04 | zambaroo | hello |
| 00:03.10 | Vasistha | stoned: hehe, you know what you need? a simple screen lock ;-) |
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| 00:03.17 | zambaroo | can someone please elaborate on how debtakeover works? |
| 00:03.22 | stoned | Vasistha, well, some billing information, some scans of medical docs etc. |
| 00:03.32 | surfdue | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 00:03.38 | Vasistha | stoned: yeah, that's certainly worth going to some effort to protect. |
| 00:03.38 | eastwood | i think the best is to create another account that belongs to a certain group that you belong as well |
| 00:03.41 | stoned | Vasistha, I think, I'll just ohohhhhh |
| 00:03.43 | stoned | I GOT IT!!!! |
| 00:03.44 | eastwood | and only that group can see it |
| 00:03.44 | stoned | :D |
| 00:03.59 | surfdue | someone: can I please just have a valid sources.list for 3.1 |
| 00:04.01 | eastwood | hide your home and that's it |
| 00:04.16 | stoned | I can launch another X on :1 and import my kde session from my laptop, where none of this crap exists, and then just switch to alt+f8 |
| 00:04.17 | eastwood | surfude apt-setup |
| 00:04.32 | stoned | cool, that works out better |
| 00:04.38 | stoned | and then I can kill the X session when they leave |
| 00:04.51 | stoned | ahh, boy, guys, thanks for the help, I really appreciate it |
| 00:05.03 | surfdue | Out of memory! |
| 00:05.08 | Vasistha | stoned: they're not bright enough to figure out your alt+ctrl+f7 hotkey, huh? |
| 00:05.09 | surfdue | eastwood, Out of memory! even after restart :| |
| 00:05.14 | stoned | Vasistha, nope |
| 00:05.24 | eastwood | say what? |
| 00:05.33 | stoned | oh fuck |
| 00:05.37 | stoned | my grandfather just passed away |
| 00:05.38 | Vasistha | surfdue: oh, I bet that's because you have a limit on how big your cache files can be, lemme look into that |
| 00:05.41 | stoned | my brother told me on IM< |
| 00:05.45 | stoned | I will be back later guys |
| 00:05.47 | S0UL_0F_R00T | epsilon> i paste the firewall rules in pastebin to you take a look. one moment the gateway runs freebsd. IPFW. ok the syntax is clear to read. |
| 00:05.50 | Vasistha | stu7: man dpkg ... "force" |
| 00:05.53 | zambaroo | stoned, condolences. |
| 00:05.59 | stoned | if you believ ein god, please pray for him |
| 00:06.02 | stoned | bye |
| 00:06.02 | Vasistha | stu7: as it says ... only if you *really* know what you're doing |
| 00:06.05 | epsilon | stu7: ignoring dependency is dangerous |
| 00:06.19 | eastwood | surfdue, apt-setup will recreate a new sources.list |
| 00:06.28 | surfdue | out of memory.. |
| 00:06.34 | zambaroo | debtakeover anyone? where does it expect the install stuff? |
| 00:06.36 | stu7 | Vasistha / epsilon well... I want to ignore a file which debian doesnt even list :-) |
| 00:07.03 | Vasistha | eastwood: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80MMap |
| 00:07.18 | Vasistha | eastwood: or grep 'Cache-Limit' /etc/apt/* -r |
| 00:07.23 | nvz | I finally got the will to get up and shut the damn tv off so I could accomplish something. there is a reason I dont have a tv in the same room as my pc at home... someone always turns the damn thing on then walks off leaving me to be distracted by nonsense |
| 00:07.27 | epsilon | S0UL_0F_R00T: ask in bsd or ipfw channel, you don't have any debiabn issue at all |
| 00:07.38 | Vasistha | nvz: "ugh" |
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| 00:07.59 | epsilon | stu7: are you using etch or sid? |
| 00:08.03 | abrotman | zambaroo: on the harddrive? |
| 00:08.31 | stoned | no one is picking up the phone back home crap |
| 00:08.38 | stu7 | epsilon... Im using Sarge... but this dependency... called "libpangocairo" is not listed -anywhere- on the debian site |
| 00:08.39 | eastwood | surfdue, what Vasistha said to me, was for you |
| 00:08.57 | surfdue | k |
| 00:08.58 | Vasistha | surfdue: oh yeah, huh, ... grep 'Cache-Limit' /etc/apt/* -r |
| 00:09.01 | epsilon | stu7: which package are you installing? |
| 00:09.03 | nvz | I've been sitting here in disgust watching people trying to dance on tv. I think all dancing is pretty rediculous but you can tell there are some people who should and should not be allowed to do it. |
| 00:09.08 | stoned | <Vasistha> stoned: they're not bright enough to figure out your alt+ctrl+f7 hotkey, huh? <-- no they can't and also, I'll probably use sudo chvt which requires a password which they dont' know |
| 00:09.10 | zambaroo | abrotman, yes |
| 00:09.20 | abrotman | doesn't the docs say? |
| 00:09.23 | abrotman | or doesn't it ask? |
| 00:09.27 | zambaroo | nope |
| 00:09.37 | stoned | Vasistha, so if they see me use chvt + pass, they probably wont' think of knowing how to switch |
| 00:09.43 | zambaroo | hm, man page is right there.. hope it's not the readm |
| 00:09.43 | Vasistha | stoned: yeah ... but it kinda fades in importance after you've just heard such news, huh... |
| 00:09.43 | zambaroo | e |
| 00:09.56 | stu7 | epsilon... using alien I converted the newest inkscapeRPM to *deb... it installs fine... but trying to run inkscape gives this "libpangocairo not installed" error |
| 00:10.00 | stoned | Vasistha, why? |
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| 00:10.18 | Vasistha | stoned: I lost three grandparents in about two years' time... so my condolences as well. I hope it brings your family close together |
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| 00:10.53 | zambaroo | abrotman, nope, doesnt specify |
| 00:11.11 | stoned | Vasistha, all you *the general you* religious nuts go off about, "oh he passed away, he's in a better place, blah blah" Well if he is an better place then why the fuck are you sad? I am a realist mate. My grandather was 96 years old, was amputated and had nerve damaage in both his arms. I am glad he is gone, no more pain and suffering for him. |
| 00:11.23 | stoned | I do however thank you guys for your thoughts, so, thank you |
| 00:11.48 | Vasistha | stoned: yeah ... when my Mom's Dad died, it was kind of a relief, in a way. |
| 00:11.55 | zambaroo | get this: error: Bad chroot, clean, correct, and try again. |
| 00:12.09 | surfdue | Vasistha, i have a 70debconf file thats it still says it |
| 00:12.59 | Nei | does someone happen to know where gtk font sizes are defined? |
| 00:13.08 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 00:13.15 | eastwood | i use the gtk-qt-engine |
| 00:13.23 | Vasistha | Nei: ~/.gtkrc and ~/.gtkrc-2.0 might be of use?? |
| 00:13.26 | Jenkens | i get 4 font path element errors with startx (when I close out).. TTF OTF, Type1 and CID |
| 00:13.34 | Jenkens | i cant seem to locate which packages would resolve these errors |
| 00:14.14 | S0UL_0F_R00T | epsilon but the problem is affecting only the debian? |
| 00:14.29 | surfdue | Vasistha, any reason how to fix this? 70debconf |
| 00:14.43 | Vasistha | surfdue: well, I don't believe you actually changed anything ... did the "grep" return any results? |
| 00:14.48 | surfdue | no |
| 00:15.02 | Nei | I guess I need to google a bit |
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| 00:15.28 | Vasistha | surfdue: okay. Well, anyway, I can just give you what I have: echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "20000000";' >/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/80MMap |
| 00:16.17 | zambaroo | hm, whats the current version? sarge? sid? |
| 00:16.23 | surfdue | what do i do now, becuase apt-setup still gets out of memory |
| 00:16.27 | abrotman | sarge is the latest stable release |
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| 00:16.30 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 00:16.30 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is, like, "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 00:16.39 | zambaroo | thx |
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| 00:17.10 | nvz | well if this file actually contains the text of all the articles for the english wikipedia, then I d/l wikipedia in about 40 minutes on a cable connection |
| 00:17.20 | surfdue | i created apt.conf |
| 00:17.23 | abrotman | with photos? |
| 00:17.25 | surfdue | and put it in but nothing |
| 00:17.26 | Vasistha | surfdue: hrm, well if your error is not the one dpkg just described, then it sounds like you must have a different problem |
| 00:17.36 | nvz | abrotman: no photos or history afaik |
| 00:17.40 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:17.52 | abrotman | stu7: duh .. don't do that |
| 00:18.15 | surfdue | im confused when it says if that file dosnt exist |
| 00:18.16 | surfdue | ;| |
| 00:18.22 | stu7 | abrotman ey ? |
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| 00:18.31 | abrotman | using alien is a bad way to go |
| 00:18.34 | nvz | I cant really tell whats in it cause its a bzipped xml file and I am on someone else's winxp box.. so I wont know what it is until I get it home |
| 00:19.01 | abrotman | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/i/inkscape/ |
| 00:19.21 | stu7 | abrotman... ah... will look... thx |
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| 00:19.29 | abrotman | !tell stu7 about backports |
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| 00:19.51 | catch23 | anyone here have experience with raid 10 arrays? |
| 00:19.57 | nima | !tell me about backports |
| 00:20.16 | surfdue | this is a new isntall this cant be happening: http://pastebin.ca/80048 |
| 00:20.23 | stew | catch23: lots of people. don't poll, just ask your real question |
| 00:20.23 | surfdue | i literally have dont nothing |
| 00:20.35 | nvz | I am probably gonna complete my sarge mirror tonight too.. I have been using the pool from DVD1 I copied to my HD and DVD2 as a cdrom source.. but I am gonna copy it over too I guess. I am not sure if I will make them separate or merge them and try combine the package files.. I am still not sure if a simple append proceedure will work or if they have to be in some special order |
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| 00:21.07 | catch23 | stew: I just wanted to know if the 'level' is 10 to be passed to mdadm, or would I separately create a mirror, then stripe the mirrors? |
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| 00:22.03 | nvz | I could just as easily have two seperate pool dirs and use two seperate sources it would be the same thing pretty much. that way if I get hard up for space I can free 4 and 1/2 gb real quick by deleting the 2ndary pool |
| 00:22.17 | MrWoofer | hey does anyone know brad doctors handle? |
| 00:22.29 | abrotman | who? |
| 00:22.34 | MrWoofer | brad doctor |
| 00:22.36 | abrotman | who? |
| 00:22.42 | surfdue | please someone look at this: http://pastebin.ca/80053 |
| 00:22.43 | abrotman | is he a DD? |
| 00:22.46 | surfdue | NEW install |
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| 00:22.50 | stew | catch23: you can pass 10 directly to mdadm afaik, the manpage should tell you for shure |
| 00:23.09 | catch23 | stew: man pages don't say anything about raid 10 |
| 00:23.52 | catch23 | stew: this is mdadm 1.12, it should be supported in mdadm 1.7, however man pages don't say anything about new features added since 1.5 or so |
| 00:23.55 | xored | jemand das dsl mode speedport w 501v und weiss, wie man da remote administration einstellt |
| 00:24.10 | Vasistha | surfdue: dunno what to tell you, it doesn't seem to look good |
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| 00:24.15 | abrotman | xored: english? |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:24.21 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.freenode.net und irc.oftc.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on freenode and irc.oftc.net) |
| 00:24.23 | nvz | xored: #debian.de or speak english please |
| 00:24.32 | surfdue | Vasistha, i keep reinstalling through virtuizzo vps, it always does this |
| 00:24.33 | surfdue | .. |
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| 00:24.54 | Vasistha | surfdue: through virtuozzo vps?? |
| 00:24.57 | surfdue | yes |
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| 00:25.10 | surfdue | through the virtuozzo vps cp |
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| 00:25.13 | surfdue | reinstall vps |
| 00:25.42 | buht | could someone remind me of the url or where the directions/walkthrough is for the 2.4 to 2.6 kernel upgrade? (im on debian 3.1 r2 stable) |
| 00:25.45 | Vasistha | surfdue: I don't know what that is, but have you found tutorials/documentation on that specific subject that says it can be done, or are you wandering unexplored territory? |
| 00:25.55 | stew | catch23: dunno then. honestly i only ever use hardware raid |
| 00:25.59 | surfdue | what can be done |
| 00:26.04 | surfdue | Vasistha, what are you talking about? |
| 00:26.21 | Vasistha | buht: it should be pretty simple, you can have both installed at the same time. Just apt-get install the 2.6 and try booting |
| 00:26.33 | buht | ok. |
| 00:26.43 | Vasistha | buht: any problems, you can just reboot and select 2.4 from grub |
| 00:26.44 | buht | dont need to worry about special packages needed. |
| 00:26.47 | surfdue | Vasistha, its a system we share with virtuizzo i have a vps and i reinstall the vps with debian 3.1 and it worked the first time then messed upp the file system and i reinstalled and apt dosnt work.. |
| 00:26.48 | sigma957 | buht: there is a long thread at linuxquestions.com as well |
| 00:26.50 | nvz | I think I'll put this wikipedia data on a DVD+RW since its time sensitive and I may not even figure out how to make any good use out of it :P |
| 00:26.52 | buht | yah |
| 00:26.52 | surfdue | twice |
| 00:26.52 | catch23 | Anyone here know the proper command line via mdadm for setting up a raid 10 array? Does mdadm support creating the raid 10 array in one shot, or should one create the mirrors before the striped? |
| 00:27.27 | buht | i noticed 2.6.8 is the latest on the stable apt sources, that sound right? |
| 00:27.54 | Vasistha | buht: yeah, that's right |
| 00:28.09 | buht | Vasistha, thanks.. do i need the kernel tree too? for make-kpkg? |
| 00:28.30 | Vasistha | buht: will you be compiling your own, or are you just gonna use stock? |
| 00:29.03 | buht | Vasistha, oh can i just update to a debian prepackaged one easily? i was about to install the kernel-source.. what would i install the other way? |
| 00:29.04 | Vasistha | if stock, you still might need the kernel sources in order to compile modules |
| 00:29.14 | Vasistha | buht: kernel-image |
| 00:29.26 | xored | abrotman: sorry, wrong net amsg |
| 00:29.42 | abrotman | xored: okay |
| 00:29.45 | buht | Vasistha, ah. ill try that method, do i need the kernel tree too? |
| 00:30.02 | Vasistha | surfdue: sorry I can't be of more help, maybe someone else in here has more experience with vps, I've never used it |
| 00:30.15 | surfdue | k |
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| 00:30.22 | Vasistha | buht: only if you have modules you need to compile |
| 00:30.28 | xored | abrotman: any easy way to do some simple traffic shaping on debian sarge |
| 00:32.16 | Jenkens | nothin.. heh |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | xored: eh .. what's it called .. wonderbra .. wondershaper .. whatever wonder* thing it is |
| 00:33.04 | Hoxzer | Lol, I think I should have a reinstall with debian testing instead of stable |
| 00:33.20 | lucia_ | in kernel compile. i need "asm-i386/rwsem.h". how can i add it? :) |
| 00:34.18 | Vasistha | lucia_: I would imagine this is coming up because you did make menuconfig and selected to "build in" something rather than modulize. You probably need to grab sources for that part |
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| 00:34.55 | lucia_ | grab is grub? isnt it? |
| 00:35.02 | Vasistha | lucia_: (note that I have never successfully compiled a kernel, so my advice comes with limited authority) |
| 00:35.02 | Jenkens | argh! |
| 00:35.18 | lucia_ | thank a lot :) |
| 00:35.30 | bulio | I'm going nuts :S |
| 00:35.37 | Vasistha | lucia_: no, I meant, you need to get the sources. Download them. apt-get install source something-or-other |
| 00:35.41 | bulio | Trying to make a morphix live cd and it jsut isn't working |
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| 00:35.52 | Vasistha | lucia_: ...and make sure they're in the right place in your /usr/src tree or whatever |
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| 00:36.33 | lucia_ | hm... "rwsem.h" is include in kernel 2.4.20 |
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| 00:37.05 | lucia_ | i cant find them in menuconfig... |
| 00:37.09 | Vasistha | lucia_: are you upgrading from 2.4.20 to 2.4.27 or something, and keeping your old .config ? |
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| 00:37.46 | lucia_ | 2.4.20's .config |
| 00:37.56 | garryF | I have a question. I have to reinstall after wrecking my debian system trying to install repositories to get at the kernel source to install the nvidia drivers from nvidia. Before I format and reinstall, does such a thing exist in etch or am I doomed to slow graphics? |
| 00:38.35 | garryF | !nvidia |
| 00:38.36 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:38.50 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:38.50 | lucia_ | hm.. i cant english very well.. comunication.. difficult.. |
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| 00:39.27 | garryF | Thanke excellent! I'll have to reinstall now. |
| 00:39.46 | lucia_ | Vasistha, thank you... i'll go to search more... |
| 00:39.46 | Vasistha | lucia_: there might be a special debian channel for your language. You're doing okay, though. Is there anything you would like me to clarify? |
| 00:39.49 | abrotman | wouldn't it be easier to .. not reinstall ? |
| 00:39.59 | Vasistha | lucia_: good luck, anyway |
| 00:40.03 | lucia_ | thx :) |
| 00:40.13 | lucia_ | debian-ko... have not |
| 00:41.06 | lucia_ | now.. working not debian machine... |
| 00:41.19 | lucia_ | small linux box.. |
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| 00:41.40 | dbe | lucia_, It's GNU not Linux. |
| 00:42.05 | lucia_ | what means tha "GNU not Linux"? |
| 00:42.17 | lucia_ | GNU/Linux? |
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| 00:42.29 | azeem | yes |
| 00:42.33 | lucia_ | :) |
| 00:42.33 | dbe | lucia_, GNU means 'Gnu's not Unisī |
| 00:42.41 | dbe | Unix* |
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| 00:42.44 | lucia_ | :) |
| 00:43.01 | lucia_ | GNU is Not Unix... i see. |
| 00:43.06 | nvz | I dont know how 'special' #debian-it is, but lucia is an italian name from the latin word meaning light |
| 00:43.43 | azeem | special? |
| 00:43.48 | lucia_ | lucia is italian name.. but i'm not italian. |
| 00:44.11 | abrotman | why is #debian-it so bad lately that they all end up here? |
| 00:44.23 | azeem | do they? |
| 00:44.33 | nvz | I am american I guess.. but a couple generations back my family is italian |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | we've had a large number of them |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | they complain about it being pretty bad in there |
| 00:44.46 | azeem | hrm |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | wait .. i'm complaining about it being bad in a channel ... |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | !slap me |
| 00:44.51 | azeem | in what sense? |
| 00:45.18 | abrotman | azeem: eh .. last comment i saw was "bunch of 16 year olds out of control" or something like that |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | that you couldn't get help there |
| 00:45.33 | Vasistha | abrotman: err... I think he's Korean, anyway... |
| 00:45.33 | lucia_ | also i using debian GNU/Linux... but i'm working Embedded linux box. |
| 00:45.35 | Jenkens | abrotman: sounds like *most* *nix channels :p |
| 00:45.54 | Jenkens | #freebsd on efnet is out of hand |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | it's efnet .. duh |
| 00:46.07 | lucia_ | yes. i'm korean.. |
| 00:46.17 | Jenkens | yeah, well other channels on efnet are not the same way.. shrugs |
| 00:46.21 | Jenkens | but yea, it's efnet |
| 00:46.39 | abrotman | Vasistha: i just saw someone made a comment about lucia_ being an italian word |
| 00:46.45 | dbe | Jenkens, Who cares about *BSD? |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | azeem: i'll ding you next time someone whines |
| 00:46.49 | Jenkens | tryin to figure out where i went wrong on my xserver-xorg install.. |
| 00:46.52 | azeem | ok |
| 00:46.54 | Jenkens | dbe: slashdot? |
| 00:47.04 | polishkoop | I'm attempting to install debian etch on my new harddrive, but when I get to the point where it detects for my cdrom drives it can't find them and I have to abort installation. Also a couple weeks ago I had it insalled after doing a source change and my cdrom's woudln't work then either. What should I do to get them working for the cd etch installation? |
| 00:47.11 | dbe | Jenkens, But not ppl in this channel. |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | azeem: or lastlog for uhm .. 16 |
| 00:47.17 | lucia_ | abrotman, i see.. :) |
| 00:47.18 | Jenkens | dbe: maybe not you, no |
| 00:47.19 | Vasistha | abrotman: yeah... Italian "name", but ... oh well anyway, we've already beaten the issue to death :P |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | and slapped me |
| 00:47.32 | Jenkens | ohwell |
| 00:47.34 | dbe | Jenkens, Maybe not anyone of us that using GNU. |
| 00:47.43 | roberto | dbe: You'd be foolish to think that people in this channel and Slashdot don't overlap. |
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| 00:48.46 | Jenkens | hrm. alright. well i must have done something wrong on my xserver-xorg install, because i get a bunch of font path errors for TTF, Type1, CID and another.. did I miss a font package or 3? |
| 00:48.49 | nile | polishkoop, is it a desktop or laptop? |
| 00:49.03 | polishkoop | nile: desktop, I also searched google for a long time and coudln't find my problem. |
| 00:49.30 | polishkoop | nile: my cdrom drives aren't sata either, only my hard drives. |
| 00:49.33 | bulio | http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7799/mainmod3iz.png |
| 00:49.38 | bulio | what the heck does that mean? |
| 00:49.39 | dbe | roberto, The GNU dists should stand fro freedom, #ututo says how many of us that has understand that point. |
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| 00:51.03 | nile | polishkoop, okay. this likely isn't helpful, but on my laptop the cdrom drive appears to windows as removable hardware. removing them can save power, but if I don't "reactivate" them with a key combination, the drive isn't detected by the debian installer |
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| 00:51.19 | lucia_ | qemu.... is it fast? |
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| 00:51.27 | Jenkens | dang |
| 00:51.39 | roberto | dbe: I'm not arguing that BSD-licensed operating systems grant any more or less freedom than (L)GPL-licensed ones, I'm just saying that I'm pretty damn sure there'd be people in this channel that give a shit about BSD. |
| 00:51.50 | lucia_ | hm.. |
| 00:51.58 | polishkoop | nile: I don't think I have that problem, this problem only happens with etch, not sarge or ubuntu or Windows. |
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| 00:52.40 | nile | polishkoop, just the installer? |
| 00:53.04 | polishkoop | nile: yah, and when i got it working after updating the sources from sarge to etch... the cdroms didn't work then when I ran the OS. |
| 00:53.37 | dbe | roberto, Poor people, they should put more time on reading the free software philosophy. |
| 00:53.59 | gravity | ? |
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| 00:54.07 | abrotman | dbe: it depends on the type of "free" you want |
| 00:54.16 | nile | polishkoop, do you have other cd drives to test? |
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| 00:54.35 | polishkoop | nile: I have two in my system, but no others in my house. |
| 00:54.44 | roberto | dbe: You do know that BSD-licensed software is very often thought of as "Free Software", right? |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | saying *BSD is crap just because of the license is moronic |
| 00:54.58 | dbe | abrotman, http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | dbe: why are you showing me gnu links? |
| 00:55.29 | roberto | dbe: Lack of a copyleft clause in a license does not restrict that license from being a Free Software one. |
| 00:55.31 | abrotman | dbe: i can't imagine they're 100% LGPL or BSDL |
| 00:55.54 | dbe | abrotman, I wanted to show you how "free" I wanted my OS. |
| 00:56.15 | abrotman | dbe: that's nice .. not everyone wants that "free" .. |
| 00:56.22 | Vasistha | lucia_: qemu is slow |
| 00:56.31 | lucia_ | yes. |
| 00:56.54 | lucia_ | qemu with accelater... have nothing.. |
| 00:57.02 | dbe | roberto, Read the URL that I just pasted to abrotman. |
| 00:57.11 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | it's worthless |
| 00:57.27 | roberto | dbe: I'll respond to your misunderstanding link post with another GNU link: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
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| 00:57.44 | roberto | dbe: From that page: "Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software." |
| 00:58.05 | dbe | roberto, Come on, I'm a Gnudist ; |
| 00:58.32 | roberto | BSD-licensed software grants those freedoms to those who use them. It does, however, lack a copyleft clause like the GPL does, but this does not mean it isn't Free Software. |
| 00:59.23 | dbe | roberto, The BSD License if a free software license but it is not GPL compatible (if it's not modified) |
| 00:59.55 | roberto | Okay, so now you are agreeing with me? |
| 00:59.56 | beardy | dbe: The BSD licence in use by most people using it now, is GPL compatible. |
| 01:00.00 | roberto | "<dbe> roberto, Poor people, they should put more time on reading the free software philosophy." |
| 01:00.15 | roberto | I declare you full of shit, and not knowing what you are blabbering about. |
| 01:00.22 | roberto | You just blatantly contradicted yourself. |
| 01:00.26 | beardy | dbe: Google fsf gpl compatible, or go to fsf.org, itäs under Philosophy, the list of compatible, and Free licenses. |
| 01:00.54 | roberto | =] |
| 01:01.18 | roberto | Yeah seriousy... just as bad as fundamentalist Christians.... |
| 01:01.21 | lucia_ | i'm find "CONFIG_RWSEM_XCHGADD_ALGORITHM=y" in 2.4.20 kernel .config... but not confidence |
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| 01:01.53 | Vasistha | lucia_: do you know what it is? Is there a description? |
| 01:02.22 | roberto | Ahem... back to CS1.5 |
| 01:02.33 | dbe | beardy, Original BSD license: This is a simple, permissive non-copyleft free software license with a serious flaw: the ``obnoxious BSD advertising clause''. The flaw is not fatal; that is, it does not render the software non-free. But it does cause practical problems, including incompatibility with the GNU GPL. |
| 01:02.58 | lucia_ | i don't know... but searching now. |
| 01:03.21 | lucia_ | not found in menuconfig... |
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| 01:05.57 | dbe | roberto, Non-free software and software that recommends it is my enemy. |
| 01:06.41 | lucia_ | i'm sucess insmod.. after kernel compile. |
| 01:06.43 | beardy | dbe: Please go read on fsf.org. |
| 01:06.53 | dbe | beardy, For what? |
| 01:07.12 | lucia_ | Vasistha, thank you... because your helpless.. |
| 01:07.53 | Vasistha | lucia_: abrotman described me well the other day when he recommended to someone... ask Vasistha! He'll answer anything |
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| 01:08.45 | beardy | dbe: You can read what I said above again, the BSD licence that is used now my most people that is using it, _is_ _not_ the original non-compatible bsd-license, it is a compatible version of it. |
| 01:09.22 | beardy | dbe: Or talk to the people in #gnu, or some other more appropriate place. |
| 01:09.32 | dbe | beardy, Does that include FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD? |
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| 01:09.54 | Timtow | what's the command to show all the daemons running? |
| 01:10.02 | beardy | dbe: I don't see the meaning of you preaching here, to the many already convinced. |
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| 01:10.23 | lucia_ | Vasistha, i see.. :) |
| 01:10.27 | maikol | how can i change the link from /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.3 to /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 01:10.28 | beardy | dbe: I don't know, perhaps you do. |
| 01:10.50 | dbe | beardy, No I don't, but I want to know, really. |
| 01:11.00 | dbe | beardy, I ask in their channels. |
| 01:11.09 | Timtow | maikol, create new links? |
| 01:11.12 | nvz | maikol: man rm && man ln |
| 01:11.21 | beardy | dbe: Ask in their channels, or perhaps better, read their licenses, most likely available on their sites. |
| 01:11.23 | Timtow | yeah, waht nvz said |
| 01:11.27 | maikol | nvz: it wont make it if its already there? |
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| 01:11.43 | nvz | maikol: man rm |
| 01:11.51 | maikol | nvz: i tried ln -s /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 01:11.58 | dbe | beardy, I got a link for you my friend; www.boycottgillette.com |
| 01:12.08 | nvz | rm (1) unlink files |
| 01:12.17 | maikol | ok |
| 01:12.19 | asg | dbe: he prefers the Brazillian Wax anyway |
| 01:12.27 | stew | maikol: you shouldn't touch that symlink, if you have a script that depends on 2.4 then change the shebang to #!/usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 01:12.37 | dbe | asg, muhaha |
| 01:13.02 | dbe | asg, I prefer Wilkson |
| 01:13.24 | beardy | Heh. |
| 01:13.30 | beardy | asg: What is that? |
| 01:13.33 | asg | dbe: I'd prefer not to; however, modest society requires it |
| 01:13.45 | dvs | heh |
| 01:13.46 | asg | beardy: painful but neat and trim |
| 01:14.02 | maikol | stew: alriht |
| 01:14.24 | beardy | Perhaps I should go and disassemble my Gillette razor.. |
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| 01:14.25 | Bit-Man-Bot5 | Hi there. I'm logging this channel for my master's private use !! |
| 01:14.26 | dbe | asg, I prefer www.sovix.org/dbe/ |
| 01:14.41 | beardy | If one should belive that site ;) |
| 01:15.48 | asg | dvs: beards were helpful for buying booze underage when we were ... well underage :) |
| 01:15.58 | dbe | beardy, Why not? I have direct contact with CASPIAN, they know the answers. |
| 01:16.20 | dvs | asg: Luckily, I didn't need a beard to go into a bar underaged |
| 01:16.28 | beardy | dbe: I don't know, that's why I thought about disassembling it. |
| 01:16.45 | asg | dvs: bars are easy, brightly lit groceries are more challenging |
| 01:16.57 | dbe | beardy, You have a lot to read about RFID then. |
| 01:17.07 | beardy | dvs: Ah, your name sounded swedish, hello. |
| 01:17.13 | dvs | asg: We can't get booze from a grocery store |
| 01:17.18 | dbe | beardy, I am swedish =) |
| 01:17.22 | dvs | beardy: Swedish? |
| 01:17.26 | beardy | dbe: Yeah. |
| 01:17.39 | dbe | Koolt beardy, vart kommer du ifrån? |
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| 01:17.44 | asg | dvs: well, there's Wild Irish Rose |
| 01:17.59 | beardy | dbe: Better take it in english.. Småland. |
| 01:18.15 | dbe | beardy, ok, Gbg här. |
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| 01:18.39 | dbe | beardy, But we have a member of FSFE that comes from Småland in Göteborg. |
| 01:18.52 | beardy | dbe: I see. |
| 01:19.27 | dbe | beardy, How old are you? And what do you think about the future of GNU? |
| 01:20.40 | beardy | dbe: 22, soon 23. You? |
| 01:20.54 | dbe | beardy, 24 |
| 01:20.55 | beardy | dbe: Bright. |
| 01:21.00 | abrotman | hah! .. old man here! |
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| 01:21.03 | dvs | youngsters |
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| 01:21.34 | beardy | heh |
| 01:21.39 | dbe | abrotman, =), and I guess that your'e a guy. |
| 01:22.48 | dbe | abrotman, You told somebody long time ago that you never would tell anyone if you were a guy or a girl. |
| 01:22.58 | dvs | hahahahah |
| 01:23.07 | dvs | !pal dbe |
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| 01:23.32 | dbe | dvs, Your'e so funny. |
| 01:23.45 | dvs | dbe: No, you're the funny guy |
| 01:23.52 | dbe | dvs, Whatever. |
| 01:24.02 | asg | I'm Brian and so is my wife |
| 01:24.37 | dbe | dvs, I hate dpkg more than anyone in this channel. |
| 01:25.03 | dvs | dbe: Then try dselect. ;-) |
| 01:25.11 | asg | !magic hate ball |
| 01:25.21 | dbe | dvs, Well, boots in general as you might understand. |
| 01:25.46 | dbe | dvs, Try dpkg or dselect in #gnu. |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | dbe: huh ? .. it's no secret .. /whois abrotman |
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| 01:26.37 | asg | abrotman: you could be faking the real name, though umbrella hat always tells the truth! |
| 01:26.39 | xomhauvtt | hi all |
| 01:26.49 | beardy | Lots of girls are called that! |
| 01:26.53 | beardy | ;) |
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| 01:26.57 | dvs | uh oh |
| 01:27.41 | asg | abrotman: speaking of cafs, whatever happened to caphuso? |
| 01:27.45 | dbe | Join us at #gnu or #ututo beardy, I have to go. |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | join the tards? |
| 01:27.59 | tictac | lol |
| 01:28.00 | beardy | dbe: No thanks. Bye. |
| 01:28.13 | abrotman | asg: i think he ran off with bob2 ... |
| 01:28.15 | beardy | I have been in #gnu once.. |
| 01:28.21 | asg | abrotman: ah ... ewww |
| 01:28.22 | abrotman | asg: even aboriginal peoples need Debian |
| 01:28.42 | asg | abrotman: aborigines don't eat pizza |
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| 01:28.45 | bit-man-bot4 | Hi there. I'm logging this channel for my master's private use !! |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | bit-man-bot4: go away and die .. thanks :) |
| 01:29.06 | beardy | Don't be abusive. |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | it's a bot .. no feelings hurt |
| 01:29.21 | beardy | Don't be abusive. |
| 01:29.22 | asg | bit-man-bot4: no, this is the Castle of my master, Guido de la Wombat! |
| 01:29.22 | dvs | !shut up |
| 01:29.23 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 01:29.28 | Aim_Here | bots deserve abuse |
| 01:29.49 | gravity | Didn't you learn anything from Star Wars? bots are people too |
| 01:30.02 | asg | gravity: only in movies |
| 01:30.07 | dvs | Tell that to Twinkie |
| 01:30.08 | gravity | God damn bigots |
| 01:30.12 | tictac | never seen star wars actually.. sci-fi just isnt my thing |
| 01:30.15 | abrotman | kill the bot! |
| 01:30.21 | beardy | tictac: ! |
| 01:30.28 | abrotman | tictac: did you die in 1948? |
| 01:30.34 | beardy | tictac: Doo eet. |
| 01:30.35 | tictac | beardy: indeed. a geek that hates sci-fi. |
| 01:30.42 | FunkyBob | tictac: dogfights, gunfire, swashbuckling, and magic! all in one movie! |
| 01:30.53 | gravity | tictac: People who hate sci-fi have still seen Star Wars. It's part of the culture. |
| 01:30.59 | Aim_Here | Star Wars isn't sci-fi, it's pantomime. |
| 01:31.01 | beardy | tictac: To each his own, there are all kinds, and so on. |
| 01:31.22 | tictac | FunkyBob: id rather watch curious george or some random mandy moore movie. ;) |
| 01:31.22 | dvs | tictac: Next thing you'll tell us that you haven't seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show |
| 01:31.28 | cjaymes | tictac, do you like westerns? |
| 01:31.32 | cjaymes | chick flicks? |
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| 01:31.34 | tictac | dvs: correct, i havent. |
| 01:31.40 | gravity | Gladiator Films? Timmy? |
| 01:31.48 | tictac | cjaymes: westerns? no. chick flicks, not particularly. |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | dvs: honestly .. would you admit it either? |
| 01:31.49 | beardy | Yeah, Star Wars isn't really sci-fi, or not only that, more an adventure/fairytale thing.. |
| 01:31.50 | cjaymes | timmmmmaaaaaaa :) |
| 01:31.54 | Aim_Here | You're not Amish or something, tictac |
| 01:31.56 | tictac | gravity: no and no. |
| 01:32.07 | asg | Aim_Here: the Amish aren't allowed irc |
| 01:32.19 | cjaymes | tictac, do you like any movie genres? |
| 01:32.20 | abrotman | tictac: how about a nice drama with daniel day lewis .. and some english girl ? |
| 01:32.21 | gravity | Damn... no one caught the airplane reference. I must be slipping. |
| 01:32.26 | tictac | Aim_Here: i dont see how i can be considering i have an $120 elec bill every month. |
| 01:32.33 | cjaymes | madeleine stowe :) |
| 01:32.37 | Aim_Here | Maybe the Amish have built an internet out of wood these days |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | i didn't mean that one in particular |
| 01:32.45 | tictac | cjaymes: action is alright, i suppose. |
| 01:32.53 | asg | gravity: ... and then the dinosaurs came, but they got to big and fat |
| 01:32.58 | tictac | beverly hills cop rocked :P |
| 01:32.59 | cjaymes | "Internet?! is that thing still around?" -- Homer |
| 01:33.00 | gravity | heh |
| 01:33.08 | beardy | haha |
| 01:33.29 | FunkyBob | each to their own... |
| 01:33.51 | cjaymes | tictac, you realize, you're a marketer's worst nightmare |
| 01:33.54 | abrotman | gravity: will you feel better if i make a Top Secret! reference and noone gets it ? |
| 01:34.02 | tictac | cjaymes: awesome. |
| 01:34.05 | abrotman | aren't all mysql databases useless? |
| 01:34.06 | gravity | abrotman: Maybe a little :-) |
| 01:34.15 | gravity | A little German that is! |
| 01:34.15 | asg | abrotman: or a Real Genius ref. |
| 01:34.16 | cjaymes | me too, but for the opposite reason |
| 01:34.26 | tictac | abrotman: maybe, but mine are especially useless. |
| 01:34.26 | asg | abrotman: Chocolate Mousse |
| 01:34.26 | FunkyBob | abrotman: yay for Val Kilmer :P |
| 01:34.32 | abrotman | asg: Deja Vu! |
| 01:34.39 | FunkyBob | abrotman: My friend, who do you favour in the Virigina Slims tournament? |
| 01:34.42 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 01:34.54 | tictac | my fav tv shows are 24 and the unit, if that tells you anything. |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | asg: Quickly .. you must go now .. if they find out you've seen this your life will be worth less than a truck load of dead rats in a tampon factory! |
| 01:35.08 | asg | abrotman: well, the 'mysql' database is required, though you can delete 'test' |
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| 01:35.20 | cjaymes | how about...."You're going to need a bigger boat." ? |
| 01:35.21 | tictac | i also work for the government. :P |
| 01:35.22 | asg | abrotman: hah, nice |
| 01:35.33 | abrotman | FunkyBob: What funny dog poo? |
| 01:35.35 | asg | cjaymes: that was on last night |
| 01:35.37 | dvs | tictac: FBI? |
| 01:35.41 | Aim_Here | A database geek who watches cop flicks and works for the government |
| 01:35.48 | tictac | dvs: nope. |
| 01:35.50 | Aim_Here | You're not Homeland Security are you? |
| 01:35.53 | FunkyBob | haha |
| 01:35.57 | cjaymes | no such agency :-D |
| 01:36.01 | Timtow | on Debian Sarge, where are the pid files stored? |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | Aim_Here: that's hardly called working |
| 01:36.04 | asg | abrotman: to switch things up a bit ... "I thought you said your dog didn't bite!?" "That's not my dog" |
| 01:36.08 | abrotman | Timtow: /var/run/ |
| 01:36.10 | roym | Can someone tell me - are there any packages in stock debian that do good h/w detection (for some reason, I feel knoppix's detection is superb). |
| 01:36.11 | tictac | abrotman: no. |
| 01:36.11 | asg | Timtow: /var/run |
| 01:36.11 | beardy | Timtow: var/lock |
| 01:36.12 | dvs | Aim_Here: No, tictac works with Sam Smith |
| 01:36.12 | beardy | oh |
| 01:36.19 | Timtow | which is it? |
| 01:36.25 | abrotman | beardy: don't be abusively wrong! |
| 01:36.26 | asg | Timtow: run |
| 01:36.32 | stew | roym: discover |
| 01:36.32 | cjaymes | hmm, tictac, you didn't happen to go to bucknell did you? |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | hey! |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | what's wrong iwth bucknell? |
| 01:36.45 | roym | stew: ah - thanks. |
| 01:36.47 | beardy | abrotman: .. I were going to add a ? afterwards.. |
| 01:36.50 | tictac | cjaymes: fuck no. im a ku fan. down with bucknell! |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | beardy: hehe |
| 01:36.59 | cjaymes | not a thing; err, I went there |
| 01:37.00 | Timtow | lol |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | cjaymes: i'll meet you in danville! |
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| 01:37.13 | cjaymes | heh |
| 01:37.19 | Timtow | what's the point of pid files anyway? |
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| 01:37.28 | abrotman | cjaymes: i went to danville high school |
| 01:37.32 | asg | Timtow: kill $(cat foo.pid) |
| 01:37.33 | FunkyBob | Timtow: so you know what to kill |
| 01:37.36 | dvs | !pity abrotman |
| 01:37.37 | dpkg | I pity da fool abrotman! |
| 01:37.37 | Timtow | awesome |
| 01:37.47 | Timtow | how do you change the name displayed in ps ? |
| 01:37.50 | abrotman | dvs: trust me .. lewisburg isn't much better |
| 01:37.51 | tictac | Timtow: used for the systems to find what services are using which pid. |
| 01:37.53 | Aim_Here | It's less prone to false positives than pgrep |
| 01:38.00 | cjaymes | there was a computer guy I knew at buck-u that went to work for some government agency |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | dvs: it's a redneck town with an uppity college |
| 01:38.14 | tictac | cjaymes: did he also hate sci-fi? |
| 01:38.17 | cjaymes | lol; uppity isn't the half of it |
| 01:38.27 | abrotman | snobish uppity retarded students ... |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | feel better? |
| 01:38.29 | cjaymes | tictac, I don't remember; he could have |
| 01:38.40 | dvs | heh |
| 01:38.41 | asg | Timtow: the best way to learn is to read source code by D.J. Bernstein. He does some odd things with that. |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | oh yeah .. and the girls get really drunk and stupid |
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| 01:38.44 | tictac | cjaymes: heh |
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| 01:38.56 | cjaymes | not retarded; just lazy :) |
| 01:39.00 | tictac | abrotman: dont they do that everywhere? |
| 01:39.30 | abrotman | tictac: girls in central PA know how to get really dumb and stupid .. it's like there's a secret finishing school some where that teaches them how to do it correctly |
| 01:39.32 | beardy | I bought Shogun yesterday, the book. I've only seen the tv-series. |
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| 01:39.52 | beardy | (because he joined :) ) |
| 01:40.03 | tictac | abrotman: hehe. if i had to go to a uni in pa it would be psu. mmmm. |
| 01:40.03 | Timtow | I've got a perl script running as daemon, I wanna change the process name from perl to script name, I was told you just do $0 = "program"; in the script, but that's not changing the name, I'm wondering if I have to write a pid file to make the change take effect |
| 01:40.08 | cjaymes | I was the country bumpkin (I live at the other end of Rt 35), so I didn't exactly fit in to the greek scene |
| 01:40.09 | abrotman | tictac: i went there |
| 01:40.18 | tictac | awesome |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | cjaymes: wtf is rte 35? |
| 01:40.24 | FunkyBob | Timtow: no, a pidfile won't help |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | tictac: not really .. i left before i was done |
| 01:40.32 | cjaymes | starts south of selinsgrove |
| 01:40.33 | asg | abrotman: better yet, wtf is the 'greek scene' |
| 01:40.34 | Timtow | ok, thanks |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | cjaymes: freeburg! |
| 01:41.01 | cjaymes | not sure; you have to get on it to get to the speedway |
| 01:41.02 | FunkyBob | Timtow: look up the perl doco.. there is some trickery to manipulating $0, and it's commented in there... however, some OSs don't allow it |
| 01:41.05 | tictac | abrotman: i could go there if i wanted (paid for even), but ive never been to pa. not sure if i wanna get back into school. |
| 01:41.28 | cjaymes | psu is what ever you want it to be |
| 01:41.32 | abrotman | tictac: it's really not that bad .. but be prepared for people drunk at 10am :) |
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| 01:41.49 | tictac | abrotman: i have to deal with that now. :| |
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| 01:41.51 | abrotman | i was shocked the first time someone told me they had 10 shots of tequila for lunch |
| 01:42.12 | cjaymes | asg, greek as in fraternity |
| 01:42.13 | gravity | Geez |
| 01:42.16 | tictac | ouch. |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | gravity: see .. you leave for 10 minutes .. and we go from airplane to drunks |
| 01:42.28 | cjaymes | I hate tequila, not really sure why |
| 01:42.30 | abrotman | oh wait ... |
| 01:42.36 | abrotman | cjaymes: freeburg! |
| 01:42.39 | abrotman | liverpool! |
| 01:42.41 | tictac | lol |
| 01:42.41 | kspath | abrotman: sound like a very high calorie diet to me |
| 01:42.41 | gravity | I'm just waiting for stuff to build |
| 01:42.58 | abrotman | gravity: better be something that got fixed .. or i'll .. i'll .. uh .. file bugs |
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| 01:43.17 | gravity | abrotman: How's new versions sound instead? |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | gravity: will the i810 DRI crap stuff be fixed ? |
| 01:43.41 | gravity | abrotman: At some point soonish, yeah. I've got to fix this first. |
| 01:43.49 | beardy | gravity: a crispy sound, and the smell of plastic wrapping |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | since i halfassedly tried the fixes .. but i didn't care enough to really try :) |
| 01:44.07 | gravity | heh |
| 01:44.23 | abrotman | it's DRI on a laptop .. what do you expect .. and i had the PPC box to play with |
| 01:44.33 | gravity | This isn't just "DRI doesn't work", right? |
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| 01:44.42 | gravity | Because the fix for that is to install mesa from experimental |
| 01:44.45 | cjaymes | ooooo, how does DJ Cellophane sound? |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | gravity: this is some version mismatch .. |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | gravity: yeah .. did that .. no workie .. unless i got the wrong mesa :) |
| 01:45.01 | gravity | I dunno then |
| 01:45.08 | abrotman | see :) |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | that's how i felt about it too |
| 01:45.17 | beardy | Have a good day/night everyone. |
| 01:45.25 | cjaymes | oi oi |
| 01:45.35 | abrotman | if my laptop caught fire .. i'd probably just watch it ... i'm so lazy :) |
| 01:45.38 | gravity | Well, the bug I'm working on is a touch more important... |
| 01:45.39 | cjaymes | lol |
| 01:45.52 | cjaymes | the work van caught on fire; all I could do was watch |
| 01:45.56 | gravity | The "Every key you press causes a screen resolution cycle and nothing else!" bug |
| 01:45.59 | abrotman | gravity: is this the one that makes my screen melt ? |
| 01:46.01 | gravity | It's the funnest ever |
| 01:46.09 | abrotman | gravity: can you reproduce it ? |
| 01:46.11 | gravity | Yeah |
| 01:46.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | really? |
| 01:46.19 | gravity | Heh, I found it |
| 01:46.26 | gravity | So yeah, I can reproduce it |
| 01:46.27 | cjaymes | http://centrebp.com/van |
| 01:46.31 | abrotman | oh .. you're fixing your own bug first .. figures |
| 01:46.36 | gravity | pffft |
| 01:46.47 | Daveman | hrm |
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| 01:47.25 | gravity | This isn't even like "oh, I get priority." It's like... "if I upload this the French DD's will get mad at me again even though it's just in experimental" |
| 01:47.53 | buht | if i make just small changes to my kernel config, via menuconfig, is there a way to use make-kpkg but it will be pretty quick only applyign the changes? |
| 01:48.29 | cjaymes | buht, I don't think so |
| 01:48.36 | abrotman | gravity: eh .. it's just the french ? |
| 01:49.00 | abrotman | you know why noone expects the french inquisition .. because they'd start infighting and all get pissed off and go home |
| 01:49.05 | buht | ugh |
| 01:49.14 | kspath | gravity: ask the germans to squelch them |
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| 01:50.24 | abrotman | gravity: honestly .. will they even notice .. don't they have a soccer match to watch? |
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| 01:50.44 | gravity | abrotman: They kind of find time to hate everything that goes wrong |
| 01:50.45 | kspath | hehehe |
| 01:51.00 | abrotman | gravity: threaten them with deportation to quebec |
| 01:51.25 | kspath | abrotman: send them to hell? |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | faux french .. eww |
| 01:51.37 | kspath | abrotman: is that not a little harsh? |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | on who? |
| 01:51.59 | kspath | abrotman: good point |
| 01:51.59 | gravity | heh |
| 01:52.00 | abrotman | the quebecois or the french ? |
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| 01:54.40 | dvs | I'm glad Portugal lost. The streets around here have been frantic. Only Italian fans left to go. ;-) |
| 01:56.59 | abrotman | dvs: you live in canada |
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| 01:57.14 | buht | damn, X keeps giving me a no devices found :) matrox parhelia video card (AGP) , and i have mga chosen for the driver |
| 01:57.14 | dvs | abrotman: I thought so, until two week ago |
| 01:57.19 | dvs | weeks |
| 01:58.11 | abrotman | buht: eh .. i don't think mga supports that card |
| 01:58.41 | buht | abrotman, i cannot find the mtx in the kernel either.. is that some manaully installed driver? |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | or binary only? |
| 01:59.35 | buht | abrotman, im lost lol. i just switched from testing back to stable because a long time ago my stable version ran X fine with this parhelia.. so i spoke to some people and decided to go back to stable |
| 01:59.49 | buht | but in stable, not sure if i used mtx or mga, i never touched the config cause all the auto stuff was great |
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| 02:00.18 | buht | hehe |
| 02:00.36 | buht | i keep seeing peoples configuration examples and tey all say "mtx" well fuck i have no mtx nor is it in the kernel config |
| 02:00.51 | abrotman | i can never ever find a damn thing there |
| 02:01.09 | Jamster | abrotman: amen |
| 02:01.14 | buht | abrotman, it looks like in stable im on xfree86 |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | regardless |
| 02:01.37 | buht | yah |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | that doesn't change the fact that x.org sucks! |
| 02:02.01 | gravity | ftw! |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | http://xfree86.org/4.4.0/mga.4.html |
| 02:02.45 | buht | reading... |
| 02:02.51 | abrotman | no parhelia listed .. but i'm pretty sure xorg doesn't support it either because matrox went from like the coolest gpu company to one of the evils |
| 02:03.08 | buht | yah no parhelia |
| 02:03.30 | buht | but on random forums people got it working,. im trying to hunt down the mtx driver |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | http://matrox.com/mga/support/drivers/latest/home.cfm |
| 02:04.05 | livingtm | what does it mean when you hang on boot at the line "Uncompressing Linux" |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | you have a big Linux .. the girls will love you |
| 02:04.23 | zinx | livingtm: bad media, possibly... bad ram, possibly.. |
| 02:04.32 | abrotman | zinx: my answer was way better |
| 02:04.46 | livingtm | hmm both likely |
| 02:04.48 | zinx | abrotman: yeah :( |
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| 02:05.34 | livingtm | i can boot off of a CD.. so that would indicate its not so much the RAM? |
| 02:05.36 | tictac | blah. kernel panic. stupid serial console. |
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| 02:05.55 | Rodietze | hey |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | for the love of god .. why does x.org suck more than cream cheese in your beer? |
| 02:06.09 | Rodietze | can I transform ubuntu packages into Debian ones? |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | if you have the source ones you can try |
| 02:07.06 | Rodietze | but that is the reason... I always tried to install via source with no luck |
| 02:07.21 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 02:08.11 | Rodietze | hehe |
| 02:08.46 | phogg | I'm trying to ./configure OGMRip and I'm getting "Package x11 was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `x11.pc'" as the explanation why the GUI wont build. I've never heard of x11.pc. What am I missing? |
| 02:09.02 | gravity | phogg: Install libx11-dev |
| 02:09.09 | gravity | Provided you're running testing or unstable |
| 02:09.30 | phogg | gravity: it is installed at version 6.9.0.dfsg.1-4 |
| 02:09.40 | gravity | phogg: You're running sarge? |
| 02:09.41 | phogg | gravity: that was actually the first thing I checked. |
| 02:09.58 | phogg | gravity: X from sarge, yes. |
| 02:10.17 | gravity | phogg: Ok, you can't build that program without working around its build system. It expects modular Xorg, which isn't available to you |
| 02:10.34 | gravity | phogg: I'm not entirely sure how to do that, you'll have to poke at the autoconfage |
| 02:10.40 | phogg | Ah well, was planning to upgrade X anyway |
| 02:10.59 | Timtow | bash command line arguments can be accessed by $1 and $2, etc? |
| 02:11.05 | phogg | Timtow: yes |
| 02:11.11 | Timtow | thank you |
| 02:11.17 | dvs | What is the xmodmap code for AltGr? I thought it was ISO_Level3_Shift. |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | buht: well .. don't ever migrate to x.org .. because if you need to find anything on the damn website .. you'll be screwed and you'll just keep guessing |
| 02:12.10 | phogg | I love how aptitude likes to suggest solutions including not installing the package I explicitly requested. Great solution! |
| 02:12.16 | tictac | abrotman: when does the </endrant> occur? |
| 02:12.20 | buht | abrotman, advice notied :) |
| 02:12.31 | buht | im still muckign around with mtz drivers |
| 02:12.31 | abrotman | tictac: when i can find just one useful thing on that site |
| 02:12.33 | buht | mtx |
| 02:12.36 | abrotman | tictac: could be years |
| 02:12.41 | tictac | hmm. never. |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:12.47 | gravity | It's a wiki. Edit away. |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | tictac: don't make me force you to watch a decent movie! |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | gravity: eh .. i'm sure some uppity X developer would remove it and make weird comments in the changelog :) |
| 02:13.32 | gravity | Totally |
| 02:13.35 | tictac | abrotman: beverly hills cop wasnt decent? |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | nvz: get a job |
| 02:13.50 | nvz | heh |
| 02:13.51 | abrotman | tictac: it was ok |
| 02:14.26 | tictac | blah. i gotta use the nvidia drivers to get twinview. :| |
| 02:14.28 | nvz | abrotman: I thought we talked about that earlier.. I got a promising future as a condiment technician |
| 02:14.39 | nvz | oh and as a flow technician |
| 02:15.05 | nvz | but now the former is telling me they may not be able to guarentee me full time |
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| 02:15.24 | abrotman | nvz: helping old men with prostate problems? |
| 02:15.27 | nvz | so I will be master of the mustard, colonel ketchup |
| 02:15.49 | nvz | abrotman: no its not that kind of flow.. its product flow |
| 02:16.16 | dvs | in the kitchen with a candlestick? |
| 02:16.23 | kspath | pipe |
| 02:16.24 | nvz | dondelelcaro: at McD's you can.. |
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| 02:16.54 | nvz | oh well its time for me to head home. later |
| 02:16.55 | dondelelcaro | nvz: then you must be McPrivate |
| 02:17.00 | nvz | heh |
| 02:17.06 | abrotman | head home? |
| 02:17.17 | dvs | grandma's house |
| 02:17.21 | nvz | yep, talk to you later on.. yeah you know back to star city.. my house where I dont have internet |
| 02:17.26 | nvz | I am at grandmas now |
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| 02:17.37 | abrotman | is that near argentina? |
| 02:17.47 | nvz | no its near Morgantown, WV |
| 02:17.50 | dvs | nvz: do you actually travel down the river. |
| 02:17.55 | dvs | or just walk? |
| 02:18.02 | nvz | gotta run.. we can talk about that tomorrow maybe :P |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | West Venezuela? |
| 02:19.20 | dvs | abrotman: south west of YOU! |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | yeah .. that's where west venezeula would be .. duhh ... |
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| 02:20.56 | buht | WOO, in X! with matrox's version |
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| 02:21.27 | buht | now i got to figure out the video switch scroll mouse shit lol, |
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| 02:25.49 | cupworld | hi |
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| 02:26.12 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:26.18 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to make a bootable linux system on a floppy, but it seems I have to make a kernel 'zImage' then write a gzipped root filesystem to the disk one block after the kernel |
| 02:26.36 | solemnwarning | Is there a way I can just have everything on an ext2 filesystem like a hard drive can? |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | this isn't for debian? |
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| 02:27.20 | buht | heh |
| 02:27.28 | solemnwarning | I know its off-topic, dunno where else to ask though |
| 02:27.35 | abrotman | ##linux ? |
| 02:27.41 | abrotman | #kernel ? |
| 02:27.52 | solemnwarning | #Kernel normally seems to be dead |
| 02:27.58 | buht | linux is alive |
| 02:28.01 | solemnwarning | And I'm muted in ##Linux |
| 02:28.03 | buht | oh |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | quitter! |
| 02:28.18 | abrotman | solemnwarning: i wonder why ... |
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| 02:28.35 | buht | he didnt take his solemn warning in #linux? |
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| 02:29.49 | buht | woo hundreds of megs for kde completeness weeeeeee |
| 02:30.01 | abrotman | eww |
| 02:30.07 | buht | not a kde fan? |
| 02:30.18 | buht | since im noob to X, i only know kde and gnome |
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| 02:30.22 | tictac | yuck. |
| 02:30.35 | tictac | get to know fluxbox. ;) |
| 02:30.38 | solemnwarning | KDE here :) |
| 02:30.41 | nile | GNOME added almost a gig to my / |
| 02:30.54 | solemnwarning | Gnome is horrible |
| 02:30.57 | nile | GNOME is no longer on my system :) |
| 02:31.04 | abrotman | buht: had i known you were going to install kde .. i'd have left you without X drivers! |
| 02:31.10 | buht | abrotman HEH! |
| 02:31.14 | buht | abrotman, what do you use? |
| 02:31.18 | abrotman | gnome or blackbox |
| 02:31.24 | nile | gnome's alright.. |
| 02:31.28 | buht | blackbox well maintained? |
| 02:31.30 | abrotman | but i do still use sawfish with gnome .. i don't care for metacity |
| 02:31.38 | solemnwarning | #Kernel is _VERY_ active |
| 02:31.47 | abrotman | buht: no idea .. i used blackbox long before the flux/openbox splits |
| 02:31.48 | gravity | blackbox is probably about as well maintained as pwm these days |
| 02:31.50 | buht | i like kde over gnome |
| 02:31.55 | solemnwarning | OMG! |
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| 02:31.58 | solemnwarning | Someone spoke! :O |
| 02:32.10 | tictac | buht: no. it hasnt been maintained for years. |
| 02:32.15 | abrotman | buht: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | tictac: yes it has |
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| 02:32.31 | Kilopopo | ;P |
| 02:32.32 | Kilopopo | hi |
| 02:32.48 | tictac | wha? |
| 02:32.48 | buht | abrotman i spose blackbox can install and i can choose via gdm or kdm right? |
| 02:32.55 | buht | abrotman, which manager u use? gdm? |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:33.12 | tictac | i thought bb was considered final at like .56 or the like. |
| 02:33.19 | buht | well a few hundred megs from now, ill grab blackbox |
| 02:33.29 | buht | BB - Latest release: 0.70.1 |
| 02:33.55 | tictac | i see that. |
| 02:33.59 | abrotman | tictac: it stalled for a while .. the author went to college or something |
| 02:34.10 | solemnwarning | They are stealth coding! |
| 02:34.14 | buht | college, imagine that |
| 02:34.16 | solemnwarning | Damm ninja developers..... |
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| 02:34.23 | abrotman | tictac: when it stalled .. fluxbox and openbox happened |
| 02:34.27 | tictac | a long while. |
| 02:34.27 | solemnwarning | Code whenever you arn't looking... |
| 02:34.37 | abrotman | they started wtih blackbox code and went whatever direction |
| 02:34.45 | tictac | yes, i know all that. |
| 02:34.58 | tictac | just never knew the guy came back and started developing it again. |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | i don't think he did |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | i think others started doing it |
| 02:35.34 | solemnwarning | Does anyone know any way to have a bootable linux floppy using a normal ext2 fs like a hard drive does? |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ask ##linux |
| 02:36.22 | tictac | ahh. it was .65 that dev was 'stopped' |
| 02:36.23 | buht | damn, every 5 kde packages i choose = another 200MB heh |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | buht: bloat |
| 02:36.33 | solemnwarning | ##Linux: Cannot send to channel |
| 02:36.55 | abrotman | solemnwarning: not our problem .. |
| 02:37.15 | buht | installing kde is like your wife pre-pms |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | yeah .. but her pms goes away .. |
| 02:37.38 | buht | HAHA |
| 02:37.39 | nile | ..what? |
| 02:37.49 | buht | the wife wins with only a week of hell |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | you chose your hell |
| 02:38.27 | buht | i did that when taking a parhelia from work. |
| 02:39.30 | abrotman | it's a triple head card .. |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | if you're not doing 3d .. it's nice |
| 02:39.44 | buht | im not doing 3d |
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| 02:39.52 | buht | just want a decent display |
| 02:40.02 | abrotman | the parhelia will do it |
| 02:40.12 | buht | well 6 packages to go then blackbox |
| 02:40.26 | buht | im at about 600MB now or so fo far for kde |
| 02:40.33 | tictac | ... |
| 02:40.56 | tictac | ^C apt-get install blackbox |
| 02:41.01 | buht | :) |
| 02:41.02 | tictac | dont even install that kde trash. |
| 02:41.06 | buht | too late |
| 02:41.08 | buht | im grabbing it all |
| 02:41.13 | buht | to see what it provides |
| 02:41.30 | tictac | i just told you what it provides... |
| 02:42.23 | nile | lol - removing 'gksu' results in 8 other gnome dependecies being removed |
| 02:45.28 | buht | hrm fun, kdm recommends menu, menu recommends gksu |
| 02:45.36 | buht | not all at once, but individually |
| 02:46.01 | buht | ooh neat, blackbox is 1 meg :) |
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| 02:46.19 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:48.12 | buht | ok all set.. now i gotta figure our the scroll wheel mouse going all to hell after a video switch change |
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| 02:48.41 | Mikel0 | anybody wanna play gav here? |
| 02:49.16 | nile | buht, as in, you can't use the scroll wheel? does middle clicking work? |
| 02:49.47 | abrotman | Mikel0: wrong channel |
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| 02:51.10 | buht | nile, nah the mouse goes all over the freckin place from windows px to linux kvm switch |
| 02:51.22 | buht | http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2004-May/004518.html |
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| 02:51.51 | buht | it gets out of sync apparently |
| 02:52.02 | jmikeharvey | Hello all.. Someone was telling me about a Debian spin off called Kobunto or something like that |
| 02:52.33 | nile | ..oh. well, that's crazy. x.x |
| 02:52.55 | buht | lol |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | heh .. the thread ends with a polite comment from sven luther |
| 02:53.56 | buht | hah i didnt see that one |
| 02:54.12 | buht | funny. they must be worried about the better business bureau lol |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | buht: they have a solution |
| 02:54.23 | zinx | jmikeharvey: #kubuntu |
| 02:54.30 | De_Mon | tell jmikeharvey about ubunto |
| 02:54.41 | De_Mon | err? |
| 02:55.10 | De_Mon | tell jmikeharvey about ubuntu |
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| 02:55.25 | buht | whats their solution? i didnt see it... i read a bunch of fingerpointing shit |
| 02:55.31 | jmikeharvey | I think zinx had it.. kubuntu.. I know it stated with a k |
| 02:55.40 | buht | belking issue, kernel issue, gpm issue |
| 02:55.41 | De_Mon | bah fine, don't tell him, see if i care! |
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| 02:55.57 | zinx | De_Mon: you're wanting ~ (it would be !, but dpkg is missing) |
| 02:56.16 | zinx | oh, dpkg is back. nevermind. |
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| 02:56.24 | linux4 | hi i am trying to setup nfs |
| 02:56.35 | linux4 | but it doesn't appear that i am allowed to set folder permissions |
| 02:56.39 | linux4 | or make directories |
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| 02:56.50 | De_Mon | kubuntu isn't just ubuntu with kde? |
| 02:56.52 | linux4 | my export line is: /mnt/80/server1-homes 192.168.1.*(rw) |
| 02:56.57 | linux4 | anything i should add to that? |
| 02:57.02 | abrotman | De_Mon: yes |
| 02:57.18 | jmikeharvey | I am trying to find a good linux that is friendly to a wireless laptop |
| 02:57.26 | abrotman | jmikeharvey: /join #kubuntu |
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| 02:57.39 | solemnwarning | jmikeharvey: Debian is :P |
| 02:57.46 | jmikeharvey | Oh? |
| 02:57.53 | solemnwarning | I run it on my laptop :) |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | luckily all my packets made it! |
| 02:57.59 | jmikeharvey | I have used Mandrake for years....... |
| 02:58.00 | garryf | !nvidia |
| 02:58.00 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 02:58.15 | abrotman | !tell garryf about nvidia one-liner |
| 02:58.26 | jmikeharvey | Any version you suggest? |
| 02:58.27 | garryf | Thanks |
| 02:58.37 | jmikeharvey | Latest? |
| 02:59.30 | nile | jmikeharvey, yes |
| 03:00.05 | jmikeharvey | I am downloading the two CD's now |
| 03:00.10 | buht | abrotman, adding "psmouse.proto=imps" to the kernel ... what do they mean by that? |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | buht: i meant the part about /dev/input/mice |
| 03:00.26 | jmikeharvey | Does Debian have an install DVD? |
| 03:00.30 | magyar | bleh |
| 03:00.36 | abrotman | the other thing is probably a sysctl.conf |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | !d-i jmikeharvey |
| 03:00.40 | dpkg | jmikeharvey, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:00.46 | shogunx | i have debian boxes running both hostap with prismII chips and madwifi with atheros chips, jmikeharvey. both are great. |
| 03:00.47 | jmikeharvey | Thanks |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | DVD .. who needs that |
| 03:01.04 | magyar | etch=stable when? |
| 03:01.05 | buht | abrotman, oh that was my original config... with the issue, then i tried psaux and same issue, now im reading further into their links |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 03:01.10 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00015.html |
| 03:01.29 | jmikeharvey | DVD... it keeps it simple :) |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | buht: ok ... have fun .. |
| 03:02.00 | nile | jmikeharvey, wireless on any linux distro is a hit-or-miss thing. my laptop has an atheros wifi interface, so I lucked out. |
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| 03:02.26 | buht | heh |
| 03:02.42 | jmikeharvey | I have a compaq nx6110 with broadcom wireless |
| 03:02.53 | nile | OUCH! |
| 03:03.01 | jmikeharvey | Don't say that :) |
| 03:03.18 | nile | jmikeharvey, did you used to run mandrake on your laptop? |
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| 03:03.54 | surfdue | hey |
| 03:04.03 | jmikeharvey | I have tried... I just got my laptop a couple weeks ago... Pulled all my hair out trying to get it to work |
| 03:04.03 | surfdue | what was that command to check what process is using a port again? |
| 03:04.08 | nile | jmikeharvey, broadcom is well-known for lacking linux drivers... so, it won't be working "out of the box" for you |
| 03:04.19 | jmikeharvey | joy |
| 03:04.25 | cafuego_ | jmikeharvey: I have an nx9005 with an external broadcom 4806. Works fine with the free driver + firmware. |
| 03:04.26 | nile | surfdue, netstat -a -p |
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| 03:04.39 | cafuego_ | nile: No, that USED to be the case. |
| 03:04.49 | jmikeharvey | I haev an internal 4306 |
| 03:05.30 | nile | cafuego_, really? there are linux drivers? or are you using ndiswrapper? |
| 03:05.42 | cafuego_ | jmikeharvey: You need the latest kernel and http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/dapper-cafuego/bcm43xx/bcm43xx-firmware_1.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb |
| 03:06.04 | cafuego_ | nile: There are free Linux drivers (they were reverse-engineered). All they need is non-free firmware. |
| 03:06.20 | jmikeharvey | So debian 3.1 and this? |
| 03:06.30 | cafuego_ | nile: the bcm43xx driver has been in the mainstream kernel since 2.6.15 I think. |
| 03:06.31 | raf256 | open driver "nv" for nvidia is so slow |
| 03:06.36 | nile | cafuego_, why's that deb have "ubuntu" in its name? |
| 03:06.40 | cafuego_ | jmikeharvey: Yep, you'll need to build your own kernel, probably. |
| 03:06.47 | jmikeharvey | oh joy |
| 03:07.03 | cafuego_ | nile: Coz that's what I made it for. (works fine on debian too, has no depends). |
| 03:07.07 | jmikeharvey | Damn you Bill Gates |
| 03:07.13 | nile | jmikeharvey, yeah, you got unlucky with your hardware :( drag |
| 03:07.59 | nile | jmikeharvey, not his fault - not directly, anyway ;) |
| 03:08.16 | jmikeharvey | Might as well blame him |
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| 03:08.44 | nile | if it makes you feel better, feel free |
| 03:09.23 | ftsac | hi * |
| 03:09.35 | nile | hello |
| 03:09.43 | ftsac | I try to install IO::Socket::SSL perl module |
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| 03:10.02 | ftsac | but it depends on OpenSSL-0.9.7 |
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| 03:10.15 | ftsac | how do I get it? |
| 03:10.46 | ftsac | now even I see openssl with "dpkg -l |grep ssl" |
| 03:10.57 | ftsac | and openssl-dev |
| 03:11.10 | ftsac | oh, libssl-dev |
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| 03:12.47 | cafuego_ | Install libio-socket-ssl-perl, stop wrecking the machine with CPAN crap. |
| 03:13.34 | polishkoop | Whenever I try to install debian etch off of the netinst cd, I get an error early on in the installation that says that no common cd-rom was found and that I should install drivers. I've tried 3 different cdroms and a few different discs and I get the same error. By the way I'm on a desktop and my cdroms are IDE. |
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| 03:15.38 | linux4 | where is httpd.conf located |
| 03:15.38 | linux4 | ? |
| 03:15.49 | cafuego_ | /etc/apache(2)/ |
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| 03:17.43 | linux4 | cafuego_, can i just add my virtual host stuff to apache2.conf? |
| 03:18.35 | cafuego_ | linux4: Yes, but. |
| 03:18.44 | cafuego_ | linux4: Have a look in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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| 03:19.13 | linux4 | cafuego_, all it says is "default" and a few other things before tht |
| 03:19.14 | cafuego_ | linux4: If you want to do vhosting, create definitions there for each vhost you want. Then use 'a2ensite' to enable 'em. |
| 03:19.29 | cafuego_ | linux4: Yes, the file is the definition for *a* vhost. |
| 03:19.34 | buht | how can i turn this url http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=4557&action=view , into a diff patch? for my kernel |
| 03:19.46 | kimitaka | I just installed etch but webmin and eterm are both missing, what should I add to be able to get them? |
| 03:19.49 | linux4 | so just add the my vhost info in there |
| 03:19.56 | linux4 | and then run a2ensite |
| 03:21.28 | stew | kimitaka: webmin was removed from etch |
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| 03:23.19 | buht | hrm |
| 03:23.37 | kimitaka | ok, eterm-themes is in but not eterm? |
| 03:23.39 | Coweater | !why is eterm not in testing? |
| 03:23.39 | dpkg | eterm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=eterm |
| 03:24.10 | garryf | Hello, I have updated my sources.list to add main contrib non-free so I can get the nvidia drivers and it has failed with "Cannot stat several files" Here are the added lines. What is wrong please? deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:24.10 | garryf | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 03:24.49 | kimitaka | why no webmin now? |
| 03:25.22 | stew | kimitaka: it had lots of bugs for a long time and nobody was interested in maintianing it. it was up for adoption for a year and nobody adopted it, so it was removed |
| 03:25.34 | garryf | I used the one liner as instructed in the one-liner for !nvidia |
| 03:25.56 | kimitaka | poor webmin :( |
| 03:26.50 | stew | kimitaka: if anyone is ever interested in maintaining it, it could get uploaded again, its just that nobody has shown interest |
| 03:26.53 | garryf | Nodody knows what is wrong. ;-( |
| 03:26.57 | sussudio | !webmin |
| 03:26.57 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 03:29.14 | garryf | Hello, I have updated my sources.list to add main contrib non-free so I can get the nvidia drivers and it has failed with "Cannot stat several files" Here are the added lines. What is wrong please? deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 03:34.25 | lynn38 | hi ppl |
| 03:34.26 | Axioplase | hi |
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| 03:34.45 | lynn38 | how are you |
| 03:34.45 | dpkg | lynn38: pretty good. how about you? |
| 03:35.27 | Axioplase | I ve just installed a SID on my computer, but X won t run saying "no screens found". Arent there any auto;atic tools for that ? (I remember xorgcfg and so on...but it s not to be found...) |
| 03:35.38 | lynn38 | so whats going on? |
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| 03:37.27 | solemnwarning | Why does the 'boot=/dev/hd**' kernel option work, but 'boot=/dev/fd0' not work? |
| 03:38.13 | solemnwarning | Does the kernel have somthing that prevents it booting from a floppy formatted as ext2 as a root? |
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| 03:39.02 | nile | Axioplase, you could try running 'dpkg-reconfigure xorg-x11' |
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| 03:39.40 | Axioplase | nile: ha. not installed it says |
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| 03:40.05 | solemnwarning | Anyone with knowledge of the kernel boot process? |
| 03:40.33 | nile | Axioplase, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
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| 03:42.15 | Axioplase | nile: well... (EE No device detected) |
| 03:42.38 | Axioplase | nile: could it be because I plugged the DVI plug and not the vga one ? |
| 03:42.47 | Axioplase | (still no screens found) |
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| 03:45.35 | wols_ | solemnwarning: what boot parameter is "boot"? for which oftware? |
| 03:45.49 | Axioplase | nile: ok... i removed my xorg.conf and reconfigured it. worked. thanks |
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| 03:48.18 | Hoxzer | Lol |
| 03:48.19 | Hoxzer | :( |
| 03:48.25 | Hoxzer | I can't find alsaconf |
| 03:48.31 | solemnwarning | The kernel |
| 03:48.36 | solemnwarning | You know, Linux? |
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| 03:48.43 | Hoxzer | solemnwarning: 2.6.15 |
| 03:49.11 | Hoxzer | I know the sound chip but I dunno how to load module for it |
| 03:49.46 | Hoxzer | modprobe? |
| 03:50.02 | heh_v_water | Hoxzer, maybe try modconf it gives you some sort of graphical look at what is available anyhow.. alsaconf should work too |
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| 03:50.49 | heh_v_water | be sure to run alsaconf as root as well |
| 03:51.00 | Hoxzer | heh_v_water: actually I dont like to go craphical atm and alsaconf doesn't exist :( in etch am I right? |
| 03:51.22 | heh_v_water | Hoxzer, news to me it is part of the alsa-tools package I believe |
| 03:51.32 | mynullvoid | Hoxzer: had you have alsaconf installed? |
| 03:51.43 | Hoxzer | :P |
| 03:51.49 | Hoxzer | yeah... |
| 03:51.56 | solemnwarning | If I format a floppy as ext2 can I make the kenel mount it as the root filesystem? |
| 03:52.06 | lynn38 | bye ppl |
| 03:52.07 | solemnwarning | I can only find stuff about using damm ramdisks |
| 03:52.10 | Hoxzer | nope :/ |
| 03:52.16 | heh_v_water | Hoxzer, also.. modconf is no more "craphical" than alsaconf ;) |
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| 03:52.45 | mynullvoid | Hoxzer: apt-get install alsaconf |
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| 03:53.08 | Hoxzer | mynullvoid: it doesn't find it |
| 03:53.39 | Hoxzer | heh_v_water: actually modconf doesn't work either I have only base install btw |
| 03:53.49 | Hoxzer | but I did "apt-get install alsa" |
| 03:54.01 | heh_v_water | Hoxzer, try alsa-utils and you have to install modconf |
| 03:54.49 | Hoxzer | heh_v_water: thx, I first checked "alsa-tools" :P |
| 03:55.05 | heh_v_water | Hoxzer, yah they are both available i always get them mixed up |
| 03:55.28 | mynullvoid | Hoxzer: apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 03:57.57 | Hoxzer | k, wors now |
| 03:59.13 | ofer0 | I installed apache, and it created a user called 'www-data'. It seems like this user has root privileges. I created a file owned by root:root, with 700 permissions, and I can still read it through http://127.0.0.1. why is that? |
| 03:59.17 | Hoxzer | btw, do you guys know how do I disable that gnome "loading" window? |
| 03:59.54 | solemnwarning | Does anyone know why Linux will load a hard disk filesystem as the root fs, but not a filesystem on a floppy? |
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| 04:02.40 | sid | !tell solemnwarning about repeat |
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| 04:03.28 | solemnwarning | #Kernel is always dead |
| 04:03.37 | solemnwarning | I've _NEVER_ got an answer from there |
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| 04:05.57 | typewriter | how do i get mail off one server with no smtp to be delivered to my mail server? |
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| 04:06.32 | typewriter | you know, I just want logcheck emails, etc. to goto my admin email |
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| 04:07.03 | solemnwarning | typewriter: copy the mails from the maildir :) |
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| 04:07.29 | typewriter | no, i was told i could do something with syslog |
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| 04:07.50 | typewriter | or do i have to setup an mta nonetheless? |
| 04:08.21 | typewriter | seems silly if you have 5 servers and 1 main mailserver and you need to setup smtp on all of them just to deliver it all to your main mail server |
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| 04:15.00 | stew | typewriter: the other option is to program everyone of the programs that wants to send mail to you to talk smtp over the network in order to send you mail instead of what they do now, which is to just call /usr/sbin/sendmail or /usr/bin/mail |
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| 04:18.13 | stew | typewriter: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" should do what you want |
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| 04:32.03 | smagy2 | hello folks, can some one tell me what is the proc entry that would tell the cpu usage % ? |
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| 04:35.05 | grendal_prime | hey whats a good command line audio recording app? |
| 04:35.07 | normend | hi, i am newbie in setting up website. what do i need to put in place so that visitors to my website can download stuff from it throught a browser? |
| 04:35.21 | shogunx | grendal_prime, sox |
| 04:35.23 | grendal_prime | webdav |
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| 04:35.40 | normend | grendal_prime: is that meant for me? |
| 04:35.42 | grendal_prime | normend, sorry downolad? |
| 04:36.01 | grendal_prime | just apache, you post the files..build a link to them...it will download them. |
| 04:36.20 | grendal_prime | like you need to desseminat some information? |
| 04:36.49 | grendal_prime | like documents, pdfs, naked pictures of your wife...you know just about anything. |
| 04:36.58 | grendal_prime | even freaky shit |
| 04:37.02 | normend | grendal_prime: yeh, one way to disseminate info, allowing people to download it to their machines. |
| 04:37.21 | grendal_prime | shogunx, sox hu...how difficult is it to use cause it looked to me like just a converter app |
| 04:37.48 | normend | grendal_prime: i want to do it through a download button. |
| 04:38.05 | shogunx | sox has a few apps in it, including rec, which you are looking for, and play. |
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| 04:38.32 | zaher | hello |
| 04:38.41 | grendal_prime | normend, well your head is in the right place..web server..probably the biggest breakthrough since the press, as far as posting things for people to get to, its amazing its almost like they wanted it to work that way. |
| 04:38.47 | zaher | i have some question regarding apt-get |
| 04:39.03 | grendal_prime | its better than apt-put.. |
| 04:39.16 | grendal_prime | in my opinion..getting is always better than putting. |
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| 04:40.27 | normend | grendal_prime: i already have a website with apache2. whatever i put in /var/www can be browsed. but i want to allow visitors to download them to their machine. what need to be done? |
| 04:40.48 | dabreegster | normend: If they can access the file, they can download it. |
| 04:41.16 | Hoxzer | :D I cannot do "make oldconfig" ^^ |
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| 04:41.52 | zaher | if i specify more than one mirror in my source.list file, when updating, will apt use all those at once 2 download the files? |
| 04:44.02 | normend | dabreegster: right, but browsing and downloading is different. say, if i create a 'download' button and link it to a file in /var/www, then when a visitor click the 'download', the file will be downloaded to his machine. is it that simple? |
| 04:44.46 | dabreegster | normend: No, they're pretty much the same. If you link to an mp3 or jpg file, it's up to the browser to ask the user whether they want to display/play it temporarily, or save it. |
| 04:45.50 | litage | how is the null character encoded/represented in a url? |
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| 04:47.57 | Kizmet | normend, if you send the headers correctly on the file then you can make it ask for a destination to save and not ask to play it. |
| 04:48.04 | normend | dabreegster: i think i am almost there. when a visitor browse a file, the browser gives him an option to save it. that is one way. but there are pages which allow visitors to download stuff, by clicking a button, say. that is what i want to do. |
| 04:48.07 | Gumby | does anyone here know if there is a "debian way" of installing the fglrx drivers just like there is a debian way to install nvidia drivers? |
| 04:48.21 | wols_ | !ati |
| 04:48.21 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 04:48.45 | Gumby | thx wols_ |
| 04:48.54 | dabreegster | normend: Good luck with that. As long as direct links to the files are provided, people like me will be happy. |
| 04:49.12 | jake1932 | i'm trying to do software RAID with 2 SATA drives on linux 2.6. I'm going through some instructions on the web that mention raidtools2. is their a replacement in Debian? |
| 04:49.48 | grendal_prime | shogunx, i dont see rec...well nothing in the man pages so far |
| 04:49.54 | normend | Kizmet: any help? |
| 04:50.07 | Kizmet | normend, read above. |
| 04:50.25 | wols_ | normend: you need to edit mimetypes for your apache install |
| 04:50.26 | Kizmet | normend, I actually have to go now, but it is quite simple to do it with php |
| 04:50.29 | shogunx | hmm. last time i used it, it was there, for simple recording from a mic. |
| 04:50.31 | simonrvn | jake1932: 'there', and yeh, mdadm |
| 04:50.45 | wols_ | Kizmet: no php |
| 04:51.07 | shogunx | grendal_prime, yep. still there on my box with a sound card. |
| 04:51.35 | grendal_prime | ya rec...sorry i thought it was some sort of switch for sox |
| 04:51.47 | jake1932 | simonrvn: tnx for the correct word and util (fading fast) |
| 04:51.47 | grendal_prime | but its literally just ..rec its own app |
| 04:51.53 | grendal_prime | getting help on it now |
| 04:51.55 | simonrvn | jake1932: :) |
| 04:51.59 | normend | wols_: can u be more specific? |
| 04:52.07 | simonrvn | jake1932: have a good sleep |
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| 04:52.34 | jake1932 | simonrvn: tnx :) |
| 04:53.06 | shogunx | grendal_prime, it works pretty well. |
| 04:53.19 | grendal_prime | so like rec -t wav myfile |
| 04:53.33 | grendal_prime | something like that...that there seems to be doing something |
| 04:54.59 | normend | wols_: i am thinking about those compressed files, like .gz or .tar.gz. |
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| 04:57.42 | normend | am i still online? |
| 04:57.59 | benderz0r | yes |
| 04:58.12 | normend | thks |
| 04:58.25 | grendal_prime | shogunx, ya that works pretty damn good actually |
| 04:58.40 | normend | no answer for my download problem? |
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| 04:59.37 | shogunx | grendal_prime, ;) |
| 04:59.56 | grendal_prime | i can pick up the radio plaing on the other side of the garage with it...its faint but its there..and i can amplify the fk out of it with audacity on the machine. hey anyway to write like 20 min with first in last out.. |
| 05:00.23 | grendal_prime | so i could like stream it...sort of.. |
| 05:00.38 | mandingo | I know this is a bit off topic, but wondering if anyone can help me with a command to delete all files in a directory created on a certain date. I am looking at find -mtime, but I'm not sure if I use -mtime 5 for example it will get everything within that date range or only files created 5*24 hours ago |
| 05:00.45 | shogunx | grendal_prime, i would encode that after... |
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| 05:04.32 | normend | chatting about all sorts of rubbish, but solutions for real problems. pathetic bunch of idiots we have around here. |
| 05:04.32 | grendal_prime | i think i could do it with vls |
| 05:04.33 | grendal_prime | vlc that is |
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| 05:06.09 | simonrvn | "no one could answer me right now, therefore i'll call everybody an idiot". sheesh |
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| 05:06.29 | dabreegster | It's not like he got several helpful replies or anything. |
| 05:06.53 | netdaemon | what was his question? |
| 05:07.01 | simonrvn | still not a good reason to call people names ... |
| 05:07.06 | netdaemon | i came in at the butt end of the convo... |
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| 05:07.42 | dabreegster | netdaemon: He wanted to know the right encoding type to send in a header so that a browser would save a file instead of display/play/temporarily manipulate it. |
| 05:07.51 | simonrvn | he wanted some fancy button to have download files... he could've done it with an image.. |
| 05:08.17 | netdaemon | thats not a debian question though =| |
| 05:08.31 | grendal_prime | ya no shit |
| 05:08.32 | simonrvn | something-octetstream .. sec |
| 05:09.01 | grendal_prime | ok, who is good with streaming of audio? |
| 05:09.08 | simonrvn | application/octet-stream |
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| 05:09.31 | dabreegster | I was going to suggest he find one of these marvelous sites that provide this functionality, then examine the headers, but he left. |
| 05:09.35 | simonrvn | forces everything to get downloaded because browsers don't usually have a handler for that |
| 05:09.56 | shogunx | grendal_prime, icecast is what you are looking for, i think. |
| 05:10.04 | grendal_prime | k |
| 05:10.20 | simonrvn | anyway, it's pointless now |
| 05:10.46 | grendal_prime | ill check...that little fkr normend..someone needs to kick him square in the nuts |
| 05:11.13 | simonrvn | nah, his own problem if he won't do the research |
| 05:11.44 | netdaemon | heh |
| 05:11.56 | netdaemon | i'v fallen back in love with debian @_@ |
| 05:12.16 | dabreegster | How could you fall out of love with it? Did it cheat on you? |
| 05:12.31 | netdaemon | i cheated on it =\ |
| 05:13.07 | netdaemon | i was on gentoo because the amd64 port wasn't as complete as i would've liked it to be, now that it is, i am back on it =) |
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| 05:13.37 | Ozux | hi #debian |
| 05:14.07 | netdaemon | 'ello |
| 05:14.18 | simonrvn | you want 592 replies? :) |
| 05:14.25 | simonrvn | ;). hi |
| 05:14.48 | dabreegster | Might as well make it 3. |
| 05:14.48 | Ozux | I search for resource about Hardware support in Debian, about scability e.g. how many CPU it does suport or how among RAM and ... could you help me? |
| 05:15.01 | grendal_prime | ya shogunx that looks about right..thanks alot im going to bed now. |
| 05:15.03 | grendal_prime | seeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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| 05:15.26 | netdaemon | Ozux, i know for a fact it can support 2 cpu's because a friend of mine has a dual cpu system, other than that i dunno |
| 05:15.49 | simonrvn | Ozux: however many ... it can run on big iron |
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| 05:16.15 | simonrvn | how big, i'm not sure... |
| 05:16.17 | raden | is there a way to get the ip of someone im talking to on yahoo messenger ? |
| 05:16.44 | Ozux | netdaemon: But I thing when Windows can loade on 64 Prosessores Debian can do it or at last a little more than 2 cpu! and in SUSE http://www.novell.com/products/linuxenterpriseserver/preview.html#scalability |
| 05:16.52 | netdaemon | as much as any linux distro i suppose though =) |
| 05:16.54 | dabreegster | raden: Totally un-Debian related. Unless you directly connect with them... probably not. If you do, you could skim through netstat -a's output. |
| 05:17.24 | simonrvn | you'll only see the connection the the IM server that way... |
| 05:17.28 | raden | hmm dabreegster sorry about being un debian related actuallyt in gaim on debian |
| 05:17.28 | simonrvn | to the* |
| 05:17.34 | raden | simonrvn, yeha i got that |
| 05:17.35 | netdaemon | Ozux, i'm not stating that as a limit, i'm just saying i know it can handle at least 2 =) |
| 05:17.37 | stew | Ozux: i know linux used to have a 64 processor limit, i don't know if its still true or not though |
| 05:17.52 | dabreegster | simonrvn: If you direct connect, then usually you bypass the server. |
| 05:18.01 | shogunx | Ozux, i have seen the boot sequence from a 128 processor numa system. |
| 05:18.04 | simonrvn | Ozux: yes... this is kernel related doesn't matter if you run debian or mandriva |
| 05:18.06 | Ozux | netdaemon: :) |
| 05:18.09 | simonrvn | dabreegster: of course |
| 05:18.13 | shogunx | Ozux, and thats not even counting clustering;) |
| 05:18.29 | dabreegster | !beowulf |
| 05:18.29 | dpkg | methinks beowulf is that nifty cluster technology at http://www.beowulf.org, or http://www.debian.org/ports/beowulf/ |
| 05:18.52 | rhys | beowulf! |
| 05:18.56 | Ozux | stew: Do you know Supporting of for exa. 64 perossesors is built in the kernel?or not? |
| 05:19.23 | stew | Ozux: which kernel? |
| 05:19.27 | simonrvn | you need to configure the kernel for smp and high mem |
| 05:19.33 | Ozux | Stew: 2.6 |
| 05:19.41 | stew | Ozux: which? |
| 05:20.04 | stew | Ozux: you can configure 2.6 to support one, or more |
| 05:20.04 | Ozux | stew: 2.6 kernel that came with Debian |
| 05:20.15 | stew | Ozux: no, it doesn't, but you can trivially replace it with one that does |
| 05:20.26 | Ozux | stew: and how many cpu kernel support? |
| 05:21.04 | stew | Ozux: looks like 256 cpus |
| 05:21.18 | Ozux | stew: so,I must search in kernel not in distros, |
| 05:21.30 | stew | Ozux: depending on teh arch, for some arches its 1024 |
| 05:21.41 | Ozux | stew: SuSE Enter. Server supports 1024 cpu! |
| 05:21.56 | Ozux | stew: sorry for repeat :) |
| 05:21.58 | stew | Ozux: its the same kernel, so whatever you can do on suse you can do on debian |
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| 05:22.08 | stew | Ozux: you can even use a suse kernel on debian if you want |
| 05:22.08 | simonrvn | um, he said 'depending on the arch' which means the architecture of the cpu |
| 05:22.37 | stew | Ozux: yes, on arm its 32, on intel its 256 or 1024 depending on which intel cpu |
| 05:22.49 | stew | on alpha its 64 |
| 05:22.56 | dabreegster | netdaemon: Now you can rid yourself of your IRC client, web browser, shell.... |
| 05:23.05 | simonrvn | stew: found that in Documentation/ ? |
| 05:23.10 | netdaemon | dabreegster, haha |
| 05:23.18 | netdaemon | no, not really :P |
| 05:23.37 | netdaemon | its just been quite handy in me learning C |
| 05:23.39 | netdaemon | so i stick with it |
| 05:23.41 | Ozux | stew:Thanks a lot, I do a mistake, I search about Distros but I must search in Kernel, TNX for show the way. |
| 05:23.41 | stew | simonrvn: grep -ir "max.*cpu" /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17 |
| 05:23.46 | dabreegster | So much for "do one thing and do it well." |
| 05:23.57 | dabreegster | I would've thought lisp, but interesting. |
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| 05:24.24 | netdaemon | dabreegster, i just like the easyness of configuring syntax highlighting :P |
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| 05:24.49 | dabreegster | netdaemon: :syntax enable is rather easy. |
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| 05:25.02 | dabreegster | netdaemon: And the format for the files isn't tough. |
| 05:25.23 | netdaemon | hm |
| 05:25.34 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 05:25.46 | netdaemon | well the vim install is rather smaller |
| 05:25.54 | BatonT | im after apache2.2 is there a decent debian package for it, or am i going to have to resort to compiling from source? |
| 05:25.55 | netdaemon | i do know a bit of vim :P |
| 05:26.46 | netdaemon | dabreegster, that made me think of the linux cookbook... |
| 05:26.56 | netdaemon | your little comment about do one job and do it well |
| 05:27.02 | dabreegster | netdaemon: Why? |
| 05:27.25 | netdaemon | is that where you got it from? |
| 05:27.29 | dabreegster | That was in the Unix Philosophies book. Can't recall the name. |
| 05:27.49 | netdaemon | ah, i see i see |
| 05:28.46 | simonrvn | BatonT: last i heard it was being work on. note that the third party modules won't work |
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| 05:29.14 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 05:29.15 | dpkg | ae users can't think straight |
| 05:29.39 | simonrvn | find . -name Kconfig | xargs grep -i 'max.*cpu' |
| 05:29.41 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:29.59 | netdaemon | Supaplex, i have no ill will towards either of them =) |
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| 05:31.54 | ofer0 | When I scan my Debian system using Nmap, it gives me the exact software versions for all services (apache 80, apache 443, exim 25, openssh 22. Can it be prevented? |
| 05:32.54 | simonrvn | each have mechanisms to disable it or change it. |
| 05:33.20 | Supaplex | or /etc/init.d/networking stop </sarcasm> |
| 05:33.22 | ofer0 | simonrvn, do I have to recompile for that? is there a place where I can read about it? |
| 05:33.33 | simonrvn | configuration |
| 05:34.16 | ofer0 | oh, okay |
| 05:34.17 | ofer0 | thanks |
| 05:34.32 | simonrvn | Supaplex: hehe |
| 05:34.41 | ofer0 | How do you call it? a banner ? |
| 05:34.45 | simonrvn | yes |
| 05:35.50 | Supaplex | speaking of nmap, I wonder if it allows multiple source ips to split up the load. |
| 05:36.43 | coreid | hi I just did a dist-upgrade and my gnome-apps don't display fonts properly anymore. They only show the first word until you move your pointer over the menus. Anybody experiences similar things ? I am running Debian unstable. |
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| 05:37.09 | Supaplex | coreid: bts? |
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| 05:37.40 | coreid | Supaplex: which package should I search the bts for ? |
| 05:37.44 | fdsd | hey guys, how do I use diff to see what is "only" different between two files? |
| 05:38.33 | ofer0 | fdsd, well, yeah. diff does exactly that |
| 05:38.59 | fdsd | ofer0, yeah but I have over 200+ lines in both files, and I need it to tell me what is different with out listing - and + on each file |
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| 05:39.28 | simonrvn | well, that's what a diff is ... |
| 05:39.50 | ofer0 | simonrvn, are you sure that changing the OpenSSH banner depends on a configuration file? I've read that you have to edit version.h, then recompile |
| 05:39.58 | fdsd | diff blah blah1 does not do that for me |
| 05:40.06 | simonrvn | maybe, i wasn't sure of openssh |
| 05:40.14 | simonrvn | try using -u |
| 05:40.51 | fdsd | did that too |
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| 05:47.28 | Supaplex | !tell coreid -about bts |
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| 05:51.31 | roym | is it ok to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" more than once in a row.. seems to take a couple of iterations to settle down. |
| 05:51.55 | loquitus_of_borg | Hi. Is there a program I can install in Linux that will let me simply copy the entire contents of a DVD to a directory on my system from a DVD, similar to how WinDECSS works in Windows? |
| 05:52.16 | roym | loquitus_of_borg: use dd |
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| 05:54.26 | k-god | loquitus_of_borg: or apt-cache search decss |
| 05:54.43 | netdaemon | last i remember, apt-get is getting depricated, in favor of aptitude |
| 05:54.57 | k-god | roym: I believe your solution doesn't actually make the contents available. |
| 05:55.08 | k-god | netdaemon: Mostly. /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 05:56.49 | k-god | roym: Yes, running dist-upgrade multiple times should be fine. May be necessary when mirrors are being updated, or if you miss a few archives (various reasons that can happen). |
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| 05:59.52 | gejo_deb | how can i give 777 file permission to uploaded files . i am using vsftpd server and my local_umask = 000 |
| 06:00.03 | gejo_deb | when i upload a file the permission is 666 |
| 06:00.05 | k-god | gejo_deb: Don't. |
| 06:00.11 | gejo_deb | how can i change it to 777 |
| 06:00.20 | k-god | gejo_deb: World writeable is a Bad Thing. |
| 06:00.31 | gejo_deb | but i want it |
| 06:00.38 | badd | chmod 777 filename |
| 06:00.39 | gejo_deb | this setup in local intranet |
| 06:00.45 | k-god | gejo_deb: Then figure it out yourself. |
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| 06:01.03 | gejo_deb | is there is any other way to set this permission by default |
| 06:01.06 | roym | I have some corrupted files in /usr/lib - can I restore them (eg: libutils.so)? |
| 06:01.19 | k-god | roym: Reinstall the associated packages. |
| 06:01.26 | gejo_deb | k-good: i mean 777 |
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| 06:01.44 | k-god | gejo_deb: In case it's not clear, I'm not helping you with this. |
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| 06:01.52 | roym | k-god: how do I reinstall libc6 - isn't it too core? |
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| 06:02.50 | gejo_deb | ik-god: i am using vsftp ftp server. the local_umask setting of my vsftpd server local_umask=000.when i upload a file the permission is 666. but iwant 777 |
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| 06:03.06 | gejo_deb | i know that only directories have 777 and files have 666 permission |
| 06:03.33 | gejo_deb | how can i get 777 permission for files , is there is any settings |
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| 06:06.20 | k-god | roym: No, should work. |
| 06:06.41 | k-god | roym: What are updated are symlinks to the actuall source object files. |
| 06:07.28 | k-god | roym: Existing processes will use the old links so long as they're open. Though generally on a libc6 upgrade it's a good idea to restart most processes (eg: daemons). apt generally does that for you. |
| 06:08.16 | k-god | roym: Alternatively, shut down (to single user mode) and go back to standard. 'shutdown now', then ctrl-D, is sufficient. |
| 06:08.30 | k-god | roym: ... or just reboot if you're not tracking uptime records ;-) |
| 06:11.11 | k-god | roym: third alternative is to do this sort of surgery booted from a rescue disk (eg: Knoppix) running your Debian system im a chroot. |
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| 06:11.36 | stew | gejo_deb: you can chmod the file after you upload, but you really don't want 777, you want 775 at most |
| 06:12.23 | garryf | Well, finally had got Nvidia driver working in Etch. |
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| 06:13.05 | garryf | Too bad I don't have my grammar skills working. |
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| 06:13.39 | k-god | garryf: Dunno. Sorta entertaining for the rest of us. |
| 06:14.49 | sng | How's it hanging, man/ |
| 06:14.57 | k-god | sng: Long and low. |
| 06:15.23 | garryf | k-god Yeah, Like solving a puzzle, with all the conflicting advice by the time I got it going, I forgot a lot of how I got it to work. |
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| 06:15.35 | sng | k-god: Excellent. :) |
| 06:15.44 | k-god | garryf: That's why god invented shell history. |
| 06:16.14 | k-god | sng: You still around the east bay somewhere? |
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| 06:16.40 | k-god | sng: ... or am I getting senile all over again? |
| 06:16.43 | IsDis4me | is there a FLOSS app like Mathematica ? |
| 06:17.31 | k-god | IsDis4me: Not really. |
| 06:17.42 | IsDis4me | crud |
| 06:17.54 | garryf | Yeah. I tried the one liner approach, it failed but at least it got the build essentials and kernel source. I'm used to doing this whenever I did a slackware kernel. |
| 06:17.56 | k-god | IsDis4me: octave is ~= one of the other math tools. |
| 06:18.08 | IsDis4me | that sucks, I have everything I need to get rid of windows EXCEPT a replacement for Mathematica |
| 06:18.15 | sng | k-god: You and me both. I've always been up in OR. :) |
| 06:18.17 | IsDis4me | i will give it a shot |
| 06:18.30 | sng | k-god: Damn Californians. :P |
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| 06:18.39 | garryf | IConsidering the issue with nvidia I wonder if I should have gotten the Sid. |
| 06:18.43 | k-god | sng: Right, right... |
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| 06:18.51 | k-god | IsDis4me: octave ~= matlab |
| 06:19.02 | sng | k-god: Hehe. :) |
| 06:19.19 | IsDis4me | great |
| 06:19.32 | garryf | California a state with a perfect average temperature. Like a man with his head in the oven, and his feet in a bucket of ice. His average temperature was perfect. |
| 06:20.25 | garryf | !info FLOSS |
| 06:20.38 | k-god | garryf: Um. Yeah, sorta like Chicago's got a perfect mean temperature. |
| 06:20.48 | simonrvn | perfectly mean |
| 06:21.00 | k-god | simonrvn: Don't get me started on Montreal. |
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| 06:21.05 | simonrvn | try winterpeg ;) |
| 06:21.11 | garryf | k-god Yeah. |
| 06:21.32 | garryf | !info Mathematica |
| 06:23.17 | k-god | simonrvn: So what's the local name for Edmunton? |
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| 06:24.07 | garryf | Or Fledmunton |
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| 06:24.58 | garryf | Opps, I got that mixed up with the city were migraineslop is at. Redmond it it? |
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| 06:25.15 | k-god | garryf: Right. |
| 06:25.19 | k-god | garryf: Different state. |
| 06:25.26 | k-god | garryf: ... in fact, different province. |
| 06:25.31 | k-god | garryf: ... and different country. |
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| 06:25.37 | garryf | state of shock. |
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| 06:26.28 | garryf | k-god Ever heard of Tesla coils? I got one that throws up to five foot sparks |
| 06:26.29 | simonrvn | deadmonton IIRC. i haven't been there in (egads) 20 years |
| 06:26.39 | k-god | garryf: Old hat. |
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| 06:27.26 | k-god | garryf: They send off _ten_ foot sparks ... |
| 06:27.37 | k-god | garryf: ... while singing "no woman no cry". |
| 06:27.57 | netdaemon | ah, how do i unforget new packages in aptitude? |
| 06:28.00 | garryf | k-god A bunch of folks had ther tesla coils fry with burnouts. Turns out I found out that pvc pipes contain floor sweepings which contain metal shavings, bugs, and all |
| 06:28.37 | k-god | garryf: What was the PVC for? |
| 06:29.28 | garryf | k-god For the secondary high voltage winding. Anything in the pipe that is conductive would cause the unit to blow holes in the pipe and fry the windings. |
| 06:29.43 | k-god | Ah. |
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| 06:33.48 | garryf | k-god I wonder if I should have got Sid instead of etch. Maybe nvidia stuff is easier in Sid or not. |
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| 06:35.41 | k-god | garryf: nvidia stuff is easier if avoided entirely. |
| 06:36.12 | netdaemon | >_> |
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| 06:36.22 | netdaemon | now i'm scared to try and install the drivers, lol |
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| 06:36.38 | netdaemon | i'm sure m-a will make it easy.. |
| 06:36.44 | netdaemon | at least i would hope so |
| 06:36.44 | k-god | ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song39.ogg |
| 06:38.21 | sng | Stop Blob! |
| 06:38.39 | k-god | Run, don't walk! |
| 06:38.42 | garryf | Heh. ... I tried to make my nvidia card vanish. It didn't work. |
| 06:38.43 | sng | Yay! |
| 06:38.56 | sng | Hehe. I got asked about that shirt today. :) |
| 06:40.48 | k-god | sng: Which one's that? |
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| 06:41.06 | sng | k-god: My 3.9 shirt. Stop Blob. |
| 06:41.37 | sng | k-god: There's a shirt for every release. :) |
| 06:42.37 | k-god | sng: Right. I just didn't realize blob was so featured in 3.9 |
| 06:43.03 | sng | k-god: Hehe. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Has a blob with a stubby cigar on the back. |
| 06:43.12 | k-god | sng: I don't track oBSD too closely these days, though I'm impressed by the philosophy contained in the songbook. |
| 06:43.20 | sng | Not enough shirts these days have blos with stubby cigars. |
| 06:43.26 | sng | k-god: Indeed. :) |
| 06:43.49 | sng | k-god: More like 2.5. :P |
| 06:44.04 | k-god | Sure. Whatever. |
| 06:44.22 | k-god | It was secure, mostly. And a PITA to admin after I'd been spoilt by Debian. |
| 06:44.42 | kristalino | hi. I have a package i want to install, (a .deb that i compiled) but dpkg -i refuses to install it. |
| 06:45.04 | k-god | kristalino: Whip it! Send it to bed without dinner! |
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| 06:46.00 | sng | k-god: Don't hold your breath. Hate to see you fall down and hit your head or something. |
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| 06:46.34 | k-god | sng: Spent much of the weekend above 10k'. There's *way* too much oxygen down here. |
| 06:46.58 | sng | k-god: Hehe. Nice. :) |
| 06:47.00 | kristalino | too late, it's in bed now ... |
| 06:47.34 | k-god | kristalino: Try installing it again. Capture the output of dpkg (dpkg -i foo.deb 2>&1 | tee dpkg.log) |
| 06:48.00 | k-god | sng: Climbed 23k' of mountain Mon & Tues. |
| 06:48.43 | sng | k-god: Niiiiiiiice. I drank beer and read a lot of Heinlein. :P |
| 06:48.48 | k-god | Heh. |
| 06:49.10 | k-god | sng: Well, vegged out the prior two days. And I felt *really* old on the hills. |
| 06:49.28 | sng | k-god: Yeah, I hear ya there. :) |
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| 06:56.02 | stoned | man |
| 06:56.05 | stoned | it is dead in here |
| 06:56.14 | stoned | I just came back from the movie theater |
| 06:56.15 | mandingo | as a door nob |
| 06:56.21 | stoned | Superman Returns is a fantastic fucking movie |
| 06:56.25 | stoned | I reccomend it to everyone |
| 06:56.26 | stoned | :) |
| 06:56.30 | mandingo | still gotta go see that |
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| 06:56.51 | stoned | mandingo, is your nickname after that male porn actor |
| 06:57.07 | mandingo | mrmmmm.... not really |
| 06:57.17 | mandingo | in an extremely offbeat way |
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| 06:57.19 | mandingo | possibly |
| 06:57.20 | mandingo | haha |
| 06:57.31 | stoned | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandingo_%28pornstar%29 |
| 06:57.53 | mandingo | yeah, I know, it's also an african tribe, a movie, and a font :) |
| 06:57.55 | k-god | stoned: Thanks for sharing. |
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| 06:58.24 | stoned | no problem, if fornication between humans, a natural phenomeon, makes you uncomfortable, then the problem lies within you |
| 06:58.40 | k-god | stoned: I've got no problem with it. |
| 06:58.49 | k-god | stoned: Corporate overlords are another issue. |
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| 06:59.12 | k-god | Feck. |
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| 06:59.19 | orge | is there any app to capture video? |
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| 06:59.48 | sng | orge: No, there isn't. You're the first to ever think of doing such a thing. |
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| 06:59.59 | stoned | ogre, http://infohost.nmt.edu/~kscott/video/ |
| 07:00.00 | sng | Amazing idea. Somebody should write something! |
| 07:00.12 | mandingo | why you gotta be an ass sng? |
| 07:00.15 | davidinux | sng : ihih |
| 07:00.27 | sng | mandingo: Just the way I am, dear. |
| 07:00.29 | stoned | orge, first search result on google |
| 07:00.36 | mandingo | awesome |
| 07:00.51 | kristalino | k-god, do you know about these packages : depends on libapache-mod-log-sql-mysql | libapache2-mod-log-sql-mysql; however: ... |
| 07:01.06 | k-god | !tell kristalino about search |
| 07:01.19 | stoned | many unix nerds who spend much time online are anti social. Being an ass is a characterist of severe anti social tendencies |
| 07:01.26 | orge | no, im talkin about like, demonstrating something like how Novell demonstrated XGL, you know what im saying? |
| 07:01.27 | k-god | kristalino: or http://packages.debian.org/<packagename> |
| 07:01.31 | kristalino | i know about search |
| 07:01.39 | kristalino | i know about packages.bla |
| 07:01.42 | stoned | orge, ahh, recording desktop video |
| 07:01.46 | orge | yeah ^ |
| 07:01.48 | stoned | I am aware of a tool for that |
| 07:01.52 | stoned | although I cannot recall its name |
| 07:02.05 | k-god | kristalino: Answering your question: no, I don't know of those particular packages, but I know where I'd go to find out. |
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| 07:02.32 | kristalino | if i ask, is that i think they seems not to exist... |
| 07:02.35 | Nei | can someone give me a little hand locating a file? my /usr/src/linux-headers*/include/asm/irq.h cannot find the referenced "irq_vectors.h" |
| 07:02.35 | k-god | orge: There's a bunch of stuff that generates flash animations I've seen. |
| 07:02.56 | stoned | something along the lines of vnc2swf |
| 07:03.05 | k-god | kristalino: You might try auto-apt, which will identify packages based on files accessed, and has pretty good cmdline search capabilities. |
| 07:03.06 | orge | k-god: like? |
| 07:03.09 | stoned | search google |
| 07:03.16 | k-god | orge: I think stoned just nailed it. |
| 07:03.17 | Nei | now I'd appreciate if someone could look up which file this points to on his system |
| 07:03.31 | mandingo | even something like freshmeat with categories |
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| 07:04.39 | stoned | Nei, sudo updatedb && locate blahfilename.ext.here |
| 07:04.54 | Nei | stoned, the linux kernel is a wee bit more complex |
| 07:05.07 | Nei | there are multiple files on my system that have this name |
| 07:05.10 | stoned | Nei, use find then |
| 07:05.23 | Nei | but I also need to know the proper symlink (which is missing here) |
| 07:05.30 | orge | nice |
| 07:05.30 | Nei | and you can't find nor locate that |
| 07:05.30 | k-god | Nei: perfect problem for auto-apt. |
| 07:05.43 | orge | how do you start 'vino' in command line |
| 07:05.56 | k-god | Nei: if it's a standard Debian-package-supplied file. |
| 07:06.06 | Nei | k-god, I installed the linux kernel headers with apt(itude), yes maybe there is a bug somewhere in the package management, but auto-apt wont help |
| 07:06.07 | k-god | orge: Same as any other program. Invoke it. |
| 07:06.16 | k-god | Nei: <shrug> |
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| 07:06.59 | stoned | music time |
| 07:07.01 | stoned | and spam time |
| 07:07.03 | stoned | word. |
| 07:07.05 | Nei | k-god, I have the packages with this file installed, but it still cant find it (likely some missing link somewhere) |
| 07:07.06 | stoned | NP: Orgy -|- Candy Ass -|- " Blue Monday " -|- () -|- (rating: 0/94) |
| 07:07.14 | sng | stoned: And/or some people just need to learn how to laugh at themselves. :) |
| 07:07.28 | Nei | does noone here have the kernel headers installed :/? |
| 07:07.34 | stoned | sng, sarcasm, stupid jokes, and ridiculous statements are wasted on me |
| 07:07.57 | sng | Your loss, mate. :) |
| 07:08.02 | sng | But fair enough. |
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| 07:11.19 | stoned | I smoke two joints in the morning, I smoke two joints at night. I smoke two joints in the afternoon, it makes me feel alright. I smoke two joitns, in time of war, and two in time of peace, I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints, and then I smoke two more. |
| 07:11.49 | stoned | la de da |
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| 07:12.41 | susp3ct | Hi guys, im having issues installing vmware workstation. It asks where are my C header files located for my running kernel. ive installed the source and header files for my kernel then point vmware to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16/include then vmware installer complains saying it doesnt have the same address space size as the running kernel. any suggestions? |
| 07:12.41 | susp3ct | address space size as your running kernelthe same |
| 07:12.41 | susp3ct | address space size as your running kernel |
| 07:13.09 | susp3ct | soz about the copy paste :( |
| 07:13.30 | stoned | susp3ct, this is not a debian problem, and you might not find the support you are looking for. Try vmware support please. |
| 07:13.50 | stoned | chances of people using vmware here are slim |
| 07:13.53 | stoned | very slim :) |
| 07:14.16 | susp3ct | i see it as being a debian issue because it building a module for the kernel |
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| 07:14.53 | stoned | susp3ct, good luck |
| 07:15.21 | susp3ct | stoned, thanks :D |
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| 07:16.11 | MoDaX | susp3ct: try different kernels (not only -686). as a last resort, compile yourself a kernel |
| 07:17.39 | susp3ct | MoDaX, thanks |
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| 07:22.49 | mne | hi guys. did anyone try out xgl on debian ? I friend of mine runs ubuntu (which has unofficial sources for xgl). It looks just wonderful and is incredibly fast |
| 07:24.35 | MoDaX | !xgl |
| 07:24.36 | dpkg | i guess xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 07:24.53 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:25.33 | mne | !xgl-howto |
| 07:25.33 | dpkg | from memory, xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 07:25.49 | mne | MoDaX, thx |
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| 07:27.22 | Nei | when trying to compile a kernel module, it can't find irq_vectors.h. I do have the header packages installed though. anyone knows how to fix this? |
| 07:28.27 | Nei | I could symlink or copy some files in place, but that seems a pretty dirty fix |
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| 07:29.54 | MoDaX | Nei: most likely, module source is buggy |
| 07:30.42 | sep | Nei, are you having the correct version headers for the kernel version you try to compile the module aganist? are you compiling with module-assistant ? |
| 07:30.44 | Nei | MoDaX, I doubt that, since it includes one of my header files which in turn tries to include another of my header files which fails |
| 07:31.16 | Nei | sep, I'm not using any module assistant, going with the makefile included with the module |
| 07:31.27 | Nei | yes I have all proper versions |
| 07:32.43 | Nei | if you look in google, there are several people with this problem but noone has a solution |
| 07:34.45 | sep | Nei, when you say you could symlink them into place, that must mean you have your modules in one place but it looks for them in another. ? it's not just that the makefile have hardcoded to look for includes in /usr/src/linux ? and a simple symlink /usr/src/linux-headers-version -> /usr/src/linux would do it ? |
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| 07:35.22 | Nei | sep, /usr/src/linux-headers*/include/asm/irq.h |
| 07:35.33 | Nei | sep, does #include "irc_vectors.h" |
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| 07:36.09 | Nei | sep, however, that file is in /usr/src/linux-headers*/include/asm/mach*/irq_vectors.h |
| 07:36.19 | Nei | so it doesnt find it |
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| 07:38.45 | sep | Nei, the 2.6 build proccess symlinks that irq_vectors.h during build. your module makefile does not, so as you said making a symlink is actualy the correct fix. |
| 07:39.32 | Nei | thanks for your help |
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| 07:41.27 | k-god | ...where a popular question appears to be "is XXX <time units> a long time to compile <package>?" |
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| 07:42.10 | Ex-Cyber | k-god: just wait until someone starts a CFLAGS argument :) |
| 07:42.17 | streuner | !congratulate k-god |
| 07:42.17 | dpkg | Huzzah k-god, you did it! |
| 07:42.33 | sep | k-god, dont lafh at the misfortune of others. try put yourself in tehir shoos and have sympathy in stead |
| 07:42.36 | sep | :) |
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| 07:46.53 | Nei | would someone have a clue what do to about error: "MOD_INC_USE_COUNT" undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 07:47.33 | k-god | Nei: Get teh proper library version for your sources. |
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| 07:48.04 | Nei | k-god, verbose mode? what do I need proper version of? |
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| 07:48.28 | rhalff_ | how do I make a testing app available on stable ? should I add the entire testing repos to sources.list and then handle which packages to pick in preferences ? |
| 07:48.40 | Nei | I guess chances are that it just wont work on 2.6 |
| 07:49.00 | maxweber_ | hello, i am installing mediawiki 1.4.15.1 on debian etch. the wiki config script gives a success message. then i copy the Localsettings.php to /etc/wikimedia. Still when i after that access the wiki url in the browser it says "Youll have to setup the wiki first". Any advice for fixing this? (deb-bug-db has no hits on this problem) |
| 07:49.11 | k-god | Nei: There's prolly a lib or header files which defines MOD_INC_USE_COUNT which is out-of-step with what you've got or need. |
| 07:49.34 | Nei | k-god, I think it was a function included with the kernel once |
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| 07:49.54 | k-god | !tell rhalff_ about mixing distros |
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| 07:50.21 | k-god | Nei: Right. Without reading 15 MLOC I couldn't tell you just where. GIYF. |
| 07:50.44 | k-god | maxweber_: reload apache? |
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| 07:51.37 | k-god | maxweber_: A frequently encountered error in wiki / webserver-based app configs. |
| 07:51.57 | maxweber_ | k-god: already done. rebooted twice, windows style, ahem. |
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| 07:54.06 | sep | maxweber_, "you have to setup the wiki first" sounds very like you missed a step in the install doc for that wiki. |
| 07:54.44 | fireba11 | maxweber_: is there any install.php or something you might need to browse to first |
| 07:54.53 | k-god | maxweber_: OK. |
| 07:55.00 | k-god | maxweber_: Check your apache error logs then. |
| 07:55.16 | coward | what can I use to play mp4's ? |
| 07:55.20 | maxweber_ | sep: the thing is, the mediawiki php install script finished with "success" after that you only have to copy localsettings.bla |
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| 07:55.31 | suppaman | hello |
| 07:55.35 | maxweber_ | ok checking apache logs.. |
| 07:56.00 | k-god | coward: A good con. |
| 07:56.01 | sep | maxweber_, if that's the guide saies then i suggest you ask help in the mediawiki support channel/mailinglist/forum/wiki/whatever. |
| 07:56.16 | coward | what debian package |
| 07:56.19 | coward | can I use to play mp4's ? |
| 07:56.34 | k-god | coward: xmms, amorak, sox |
| 07:56.43 | suppaman | I've got a package with broken dependencies, it is libwxgtk2.6-dev that needs wx2.6-headers but it is not going to be installed |
| 07:56.44 | azeem | sox can play mp4? |
| 07:56.50 | sep | coward, players are not realy related to media formats, any player can play alsmost anything as long as the proper codec in is place. |
| 07:56.51 | k-god | azeem: I think so. |
| 07:57.01 | suppaman | if I try to install by hand it conflicts with wxwidgets2.6-headers |
| 07:57.05 | k-god | azeem: ... and I'd expect it to. |
| 07:57.08 | coward | how can I get the mp4 codec no debian? |
| 07:57.11 | coward | what should I apt-get ? |
| 07:57.29 | coward | (just tell me what I need to apt-get d@mn it :-) ) |
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| 07:57.39 | suppaman | if I try to remove wxwidgets2.6-headers it tells me to run "apt-get -f install" to fix libwxgtk2.6-dev (the first one) |
| 07:57.40 | k-god | !tell coward about search |
| 07:57.48 | Hoxzer | Aalrgih :P |
| 07:57.49 | k-god | coward: apt-cache search mp4 | grep player |
| 07:57.53 | suppaman | so it is a chain, how can I remove libwxgtk2.6 ? |
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| 07:57.58 | coward | k-god, empty |
| 07:58.04 | Hoxzer | My HTPC seems to be a the first functional state |
| 07:58.06 | k-god | coward: Sue me. |
| 07:58.10 | Hoxzer | ^^ Debian Etch |
| 07:58.22 | coward | people like you give linux a bad name |
| 07:58.22 | k-god | coward: Play with that. You're a big boy. |
| 07:58.22 | Hoxzer | base install and then fluxbox + mythtv |
| 07:58.30 | coward | useless annoyances |
| 07:58.40 | k-god | coward: 1. I'm not at a Linux box. 2. This is how I'd do it. |
| 08:00.37 | sep | coward, many codecs are not available in debian becosue of various legal issues , if that's the case they are often found in http://www.debian-multimedia.org/index.html |
| 08:00.45 | DanTH | morning guys |
| 08:00.52 | k-god | coward: Might also mention 3. I've used Debian extensively for about 8 years and its package search tools are pretty darned good. |
| 08:00.54 | Ex-Cyber | coward: AFAIK mp4 is a container format, not a codec |
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| 08:01.08 | streuner | avi |
| 08:01.15 | DanTH | this is real stupid problem, i can't seem to find where on kde/debian the settings thing is for increasing the screen res |
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| 08:01.18 | DanTH | any ideas? |
| 08:02.14 | k-god | DanTH: KDE should have a "Display" widget, somewhere in the admin/management tool. |
| 08:02.23 | DanTH | right |
| 08:02.24 | DanTH | ok |
| 08:02.30 | k-god | DanTH: Otherwise: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-x.org |
| 08:02.33 | suppaman | you should ask on #kde I think, but isn't it a general X11 config question? |
| 08:02.34 | DanTH | ok |
| 08:02.37 | DanTH | cheers |
| 08:03.01 | streuner | hm |
| 08:03.07 | k-god | haw |
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| 08:03.43 | k-god | sleepytime, really. |
| 08:04.34 | suppaman | wow I started compiling with my faithful pII450 |
| 08:04.51 | suppaman | it'll take long time, I fear |
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| 08:06.31 | uwe | hello, ive installed the 2.6.15 kernel on sarge and it went fine , then i rebooted and tried the new kernel ... i get stuck, last message i can see is "io scheduler cfq registered"! so i went back to old kernel and did dist-upgrade, same problem ... any idea what the issue could be ? |
| 08:07.14 | Ex-Cyber | uwe: same problem happens on the old kernel as well? |
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| 08:07.56 | uwe | no |
| 08:08.01 | uwe | just the new one |
| 08:08.11 | omry|work | can anyone recommend a SATA2 raid controller (hardware raid) that works well with linux? |
| 08:08.16 | uwe | the 2.6.15 smp |
| 08:08.17 | war95 | omry|work: yup |
| 08:08.23 | Ex-Cyber | okay... I wasn't sure how that was meant to read exactly |
| 08:08.25 | war95 | omry|work: areca |
| 08:08.33 | war95 | omry: the good one 16 port is $1200 |
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| 08:08.41 | Ex-Cyber | uwe: what ver is your old kernel? |
| 08:08.46 | Hoxzer | :D lol |
| 08:08.55 | Hoxzer | what about jfs support btw |
| 08:08.56 | uwe | 2.6.8 ... the one that came with sarge |
| 08:09.02 | faber3 | morning, good |
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| 08:09.11 | Hoxzer | it does it littlebit "wrong" you see :P |
| 08:09.19 | omry|work | war95, I need something for mirror raid for just two drivers, anything with a lower price tag you would go for? |
| 08:09.30 | war95 | omry|work: they make a 4port one for $450 |
| 08:09.32 | uwe | sorry, Ex-Cyber : the 2.6.8 that came with sarge |
| 08:09.39 | war95 | omry: HW RAID is a joke if you don't need it |
| 08:09.40 | omry|work | war95, thanks, checking it out. |
| 08:09.49 | war95 | omry|work: I use SW RAID1 between two raprtors |
| 08:09.56 | war95 | omry|work: works great and no addtl cost |
| 08:10.18 | faber3 | i am trying to install debian/testing. i installed a RAID0 on my disks instead of RAID1. now I cannot change this any more. it seems the md manager tries to recover the RAID0. i have already ext3 formatted both disks, but still the same problem. what can i do? |
| 08:10.27 | war95 | omry|work: I tried HW raid (3ware 7006-20 , was a piece of shit, and when your card dies you lose everything |
| 08:10.51 | omry|work | war95, I installed the exact same configuration a few months ago, (raptorX2, sw raid), and the sarge installer was quite buggy in that aspect. |
| 08:10.58 | omry|work | was pretty hard to get it to work. |
| 08:11.05 | stew | 3ware cards are great |
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| 08:11.21 | faber3 | omry|work: may be this is my problem now ? |
| 08:11.30 | omry|work | faber3, maybe. |
| 08:11.38 | faber3 | please help me, i cannot install my favorite system |
| 08:11.46 | war95 | omry|work: yeah never do that |
| 08:11.48 | Ex-Cyber | uwe: I'm not entirely sure what to suggest... the only info I can offer is that the next phase after that seems to be Plug and Play related, so you might try looking into PNP config (BIOS, kernel, or both) |
| 08:11.54 | war95 | omry|work: install debian on the 1st disk and setup raid1 after |
| 08:12.04 | war95 | omry: works great, ask LinuxHelp (guy in .za) |
| 08:12.17 | Hoxzer | :P lol |
| 08:12.19 | uwe | hmmm, thanks Ex-Cyber |
| 08:12.22 | Hoxzer | I can't figure this out |
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| 08:12.32 | uwe | ill try to play around with the bios |
| 08:12.33 | omry|work | war95, you would say its a safer way to install raid? |
| 08:12.34 | omry|work | (sw3 |
| 08:12.36 | omry|work | sw |
| 08:13.10 | war95 | omry|work: I think so |
| 08:13.20 | omry|work | war95, any info about "SEAGATE Barracuda 250GB ST3250824AS SATA2 NCQ 7200RPM"? |
| 08:13.25 | DanTH | k-god is that display manager thingy on the kde control panel? |
| 08:13.33 | war95 | omry|work: after my hardware raid testing for RAID1 , I could not access the data on the disks on a regular controller |
| 08:13.43 | war95 | omry: looks good to me, 5yr warranty |
| 08:13.51 | omry|work | war95, yes. |
| 08:14.00 | war95 | I use a mix of 400GB IDE and 400GB Sata for my raid5 and dual raptor for my raid1 |
| 08:14.06 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.09 | faber3 | in the console it says "ata2: command 0x35 timeout, host state 0x41" ... sense error ... |
| 08:14.12 | war95 | all SW raid. |
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| 08:14.35 | omry|work | war95, I will buy two identical ones, up front. |
| 08:14.38 | omry|work | safer :) |
| 08:14.49 | faber3 | how can shutdown all the raid stuff and make the mdm forget about everything ? |
| 08:14.52 | omry|work | faber3, what kernel? |
| 08:15.21 | war95 | omry|work: yup |
| 08:15.25 | war95 | faber3: it cant be in use |
| 08:15.26 | faber3 | omry|work: debian testing installer, expert... 2.6.15 |
| 08:15.29 | war95 | faber3: mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 08:15.33 | war95 | faber3: mdadm -S /dev/md0 to stop |
| 08:15.44 | war95 | reboot the isntaller |
| 08:15.46 | war95 | easiest ;) |
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| 08:15.51 | omry|work | war95, thanks for the hints. |
| 08:16.00 | faber3 | war95: the "sense error" stuff looks like a broken hard disk. but i dont think so. its a brand new maschine. |
| 08:16.20 | sep | faber3, and if you realy want to break it up do a mdadm --zero-superblock on each device to |
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| 08:16.58 | war95 | omry|work: heh np, I love RAID stuff and am a bit obsessed with it |
| 08:17.06 | uwe | Ex-Cyber, well, installing the 2.6.15 removed the hotplug and installed udev, i have the feeling this could be relevant , no ? |
| 08:17.17 | omry|work | war95, :), so you are just the right person to ask. |
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| 08:17.47 | war95 | omry|work: prolly. :P |
| 08:17.51 | anthrax[net] | hello need helpf with xf86 because i installed debian and need to configure |
| 08:17.55 | anthrax[net] | the mouse |
| 08:18.24 | anthrax[net] | witch command is useful to find out where my mouse is insert |
| 08:18.36 | faber3 | the mdadm -S gives me again the IO error on sdb |
| 08:18.36 | anthrax[net] | means witch /dev/ path |
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| 08:19.32 | simonrvn | 'which' |
| 08:19.38 | simonrvn | !drxx anthrax[net] |
| 08:19.39 | dpkg | anthrax[net]: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:19.54 | faber3 | sep: is the md superblock on the device or the partition? |
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| 08:20.26 | sep | faber3, the hd partition that is part of the raid |
| 08:20.32 | sep | ie the partition |
| 08:20.45 | anthrax[net] | but where i can find out where my mouse is located |
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| 08:20.55 | anthrax[net] | how is the standart PS/2 path in Dev? |
| 08:21.32 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.32 | faber3 | sep: mmmhhh.. i erased all partitions already... but the md seems not to care... it thinks i have a raid1 with the second disk unrecoverably broken |
| 08:21.36 | wols | depends on kernel |
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| 08:22.47 | anthrax[net] | thx |
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| 08:25.21 | evilgeek | hm. is there a way to configure CVS in such a way that some people who have accounts on the same UNIX machine can read and write to the repository but nobody else can? like, without root? |
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| 08:25.50 | fireba11 | evilgeek: sure |
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| 08:26.55 | fireba11 | but why ? |
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| 08:27.08 | fireba11 | noone should ahve root password |
| 08:27.08 | uwe | Ex-Cyber, heh... ive installed the 2.6.15 kernel, but the non-smp one, and the system behaved very diffrently |
| 08:28.01 | rohan | hi all .. i think my deb sid box is screwed up very very badly .. a few days ago i lost all sound, found it was due to a corrupted file .. had to boot off a live cd, fsck it, and reinstall the pkg .. then jsut now, on booting in, EVERYTHING was giving me a segfault - irssi, apt-get .. strace'ing found it was a libc6 problem, i tried to reinstall libc6, it gave errors of read only file system .. again reboot and fsck, this time had MANY MANY errors on fs . |
| 08:28.01 | rohan | ad to reinstall libc6 |
| 08:28.03 | rohan | whats up ? |
| 08:28.08 | uwe | still not working, but a very diffrent problem i think , lost inturrupt for hda, googling it |
| 08:28.18 | rohan | why is my fs corrupting so frequently / |
| 08:28.36 | fireba11 | rohan: check your hardware, mem and Hd especially |
| 08:28.39 | davidinux | rohan : disk dying? |
| 08:28.58 | rohan | hmmm |
| 08:29.02 | rohan | should not be |
| 08:29.04 | faber3 | cool... thanks sep and war95, the zero-superblock thing did help |
| 08:29.21 | rohan | there is another distro, windows on this disk .. they never have such corruption porblem |
| 08:29.47 | rohan | and the problems have been occuring just recently .. say, from a week or so |
| 08:30.33 | fireba11 | rohan: so the disk is dying and started in the area debian is in .. ^^ |
| 08:30.36 | davidinux | rohan : did you have an upgrade recently |
| 08:30.37 | davidinux | ? |
| 08:30.40 | rohan | :( |
| 08:30.51 | rohan | davidinux: yes, i update sid everyday |
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| 08:31.04 | evilgeek | fireba11: what? |
| 08:31.20 | evilgeek | fireba11: how, then? |
| 08:31.27 | fireba11 | evilgeek: was wondering why ouy want to deny root access to cvs .. only admin should ahve root apssword anyway |
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| 08:31.47 | evilgeek | i don't. i don't have root on the machine, so i can't easily make a new group and add people to the group. |
| 08:32.12 | evilgeek | root can trivially read anything that i stick in CVS. i'm okay with that. |
| 08:32.20 | fireba11 | evilgeek: for one you can (and by default you do) check cvs users against a cvs-users-list NOT system users |
| 08:32.44 | davidinux | rohan : it is quite unprobable u get file corruption due to sw upgrade...I'd suggest you to check you hd (get another one and backup everything before it is too late) |
| 08:32.45 | evilgeek | this involves sticking something into inetd.conf, does it not? |
| 08:32.58 | fireba11 | no |
| 08:33.00 | evilgeek | something to run CVS should a connection arise? |
| 08:33.17 | rohan | davidinux: yes, that was what i was thinking .. can't be a s/w problem .. |
| 08:33.21 | evilgeek | so how does this process get to th epoint where something is being checked against a CVS users list? |
| 08:33.23 | davidinux | rohan : also, try to keep os separated on two differente hd |
| 08:33.24 | TARZEAU | what happened to base.debian.net and standard.debian.net ? |
| 08:33.30 | fireba11 | that yes .. but if you install it with apt-get that is automacigally added |
| 08:33.35 | evilgeek | there is no CVS server running, and inetd does not start a CVS server. |
| 08:34.02 | davidinux | rohan : that's it, toot many elements to give more help |
| 08:34.04 | rohan | davidinux: like, /home on another hdd ? |
| 08:34.05 | faber3 | war95: before i decided to go with SW raid i had some discussion here and people recommended to use HW raid instead. you think sw raid is ok? |
| 08:34.07 | evilgeek | and then manually removed by a sysadmin. |
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| 08:34.48 | davidinux | rohan : no, just keep windows and debian on different hd, if you have two of them |
| 08:35.13 | davidinux | rohan : maybe just keep a shared partition to exchange data among os |
| 08:35.30 | rohan | davidinux: they are on diff hd .. /dev/hda has windows, /boot and swap .. /dev/hdc has debian, ubuntu, and a fat32 partition to share data |
| 08:35.40 | war95 | faber3: for raid1 yep |
| 08:35.53 | wols | rohan: a heavy dose of memtest86 and smartmontools is in order |
| 08:36.03 | rohan | ok, wols |
| 08:36.03 | war95 | faber3: I tried HW raid1, sucked and when your CARD dies you cannot read the data off the drives |
| 08:36.07 | rohan | i'll do memtest |
| 08:36.09 | war95 | faber3: because it is a 'proprietary HW raid' |
| 08:36.11 | davidinux | rohan : so its is /dev/hdc that gets corrupted? |
| 08:36.23 | faber3 | war95: the maschine here has an on board raid which isnt supported by linux |
| 08:36.25 | war95 | faber3: which if you do SW RAID1, you can just put the drive on another port and read the data |
| 08:36.30 | rohan | davidinux: /dev/hdc1, the one debian is on |
| 08:36.33 | war95 | faber3: there is no such thing as real onboard raid |
| 08:36.37 | war95 | faber3: unless its SCSI |
| 08:36.40 | war95 | faber3: all onboard = fake raid |
| 08:36.46 | war95 | faber3: use SW raid and be done with it |
| 08:36.46 | davidinux | rohan : so /dev/hdc is gonna dye...change it |
| 08:36.55 | wols | the raid is real, it's the hardware part they're faking |
| 08:36.56 | rohan | awww |
| 08:36.58 | rohan | :( |
| 08:37.01 | war95 | wols: yup |
| 08:37.02 | faber3 | war95: i am using sw raid now. without spare disk though. |
| 08:37.08 | wols | rohan: and run smartmontools to make sure |
| 08:37.16 | faber3 | war95: wahts a fake raid? |
| 08:37.29 | rohan | hm.. ok |
| 08:37.30 | wols | faber3: they pretend it's hardware raid but it isn't |
| 08:37.40 | davidinux | rohan : it happens :) |
| 08:37.41 | rohan | what if my hdd is not SMART compliant ? |
| 08:37.48 | rohan | davidinux: :) |
| 08:37.51 | davidinux | rohan : u know, hw made in china... |
| 08:38.00 | davidinux | rohan : ;) |
| 08:38.02 | wols | it's the worst of both approaches: software raid that's prprietary so when the card/chip dies or is obsoleted the raid is gone too |
| 08:38.15 | rohan | lol |
| 08:38.19 | wols | rohan: htat's unpossible. it wouldn't hold debian and ubuntu then |
| 08:38.36 | wols | any drive > 1GB is SMART compliant when IDE |
| 08:38.41 | rohan | wols: why dont it hold deb and ubuntu ? deb is on /dev/hdc1, ubuntu is /dev/hdc6 |
| 08:38.45 | rohan | oh ok |
| 08:38.53 | rohan | yes, it is ide |
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| 08:40.20 | itchi | !fgfs |
| 08:40.20 | dpkg | from memory, fgfs is FlightGear Flight Simulator, an open-source, multi-platform, cooperative flight simulator development project, see also http://www.flightgear.org/, see also http://wiki.flightgear.org/ |
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| 08:44.01 | faber3 | war95: when the md has a problem, can it send me an email so i know the maschine is dying ? |
| 08:44.53 | petemc | you could use logcheck to do that |
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| 08:49.32 | war95 | faber3: yep |
| 08:49.38 | war95 | faber3: run mdadm --monitor --scan |
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| 08:49.42 | war95 | and it will do just that |
| 08:50.07 | |SkyBlue| | lol, dpkg has a great memory |
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| 08:52.03 | cxy | hÃū |
| 08:52.04 | cxy | hi |
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| 09:04.17 | xored | !paste |
| 09:04.17 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
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| 09:04.57 | qwertz | Hallo, gibt es in less auch die MÃķglichkeit zu einer bestimmten Zeile zu springen :100 scheint nicht zu funktionieren |
| 09:05.05 | blondie | !de |
| 09:05.06 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.freenode.net und irc.oftc.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on freenode and irc.oftc.net) |
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| 09:10.22 | xored | Hello guys. Iam using proftpd and somehow, (debian sarge newst version) sometime the login ist just not wokring suddenly. It just randomly says "incorrect password" or similar, the debug output for this is : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3057 .. the config is http://channels.debian.net/paste/3058 . Thank you |
| 09:11.14 | blondie | xored: there is a space before the username... maybe it's that. |
| 09:11.31 | blondie | no such user ' web1f3' |
| 09:11.38 | blondie | !ftp |
| 09:11.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 09:12.20 | xored | blondie: the login works normaly, thats the strange thing |
| 09:12.59 | xored | blondie: it sometime jsut randomly throwing out "worng login"..its strange...its now for a longer period, thats why iam debug logging |
| 09:13.10 | blondie | my answer would be to not use ftp :| |
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| 09:13.49 | xored | blondie: its not for me, its for my customers |
| 09:14.06 | blondie | so? they can use winscp instead |
| 09:14.12 | xored | blondie: i dont choose here :) Iam using scp and VPN :) |
| 09:14.31 | wols | xored: are you still using telnet? |
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| 09:14.39 | xored | wols: no ? |
| 09:14.49 | wols | then you shouldn't use ftp either :) |
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| 09:15.07 | xored | wols: i think you dont get, that there are section, where you find dummy users |
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| 09:15.11 | xored | IAM not using FTP |
| 09:16.03 | blondie | your server is |
| 09:16.05 | xored | so cmeon guys, lets not discuss here, io can understand your advise, cause of the uncrypted transfer / cleartext passwords, but as its not for me and the users want to have it, it will be like that |
| 09:16.30 | blondie | the whole system security is compromised, not just their accounts |
| 09:17.01 | xored | if someone gets there FTP access ? |
| 09:17.07 | xored | why should it / how should it ? |
| 09:17.09 | blondie | yes |
| 09:17.22 | blondie | it's a foot in the door isn't it |
| 09:17.30 | xored | ssh too ? |
| 09:17.35 | xored | its an open port, yes.... |
| 09:17.35 | blondie | ? |
| 09:17.52 | xored | so cmeon guys, lets not discuss here, io can understand your advise, cause of the uncrypted transfer / cleartext passwords, but as its not for me and the users want to have it, it will be like that |
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| 09:18.32 | blondie | you said that already |
| 09:18.56 | blondie | users want a lot of stupid things, doesn't mean they get it |
| 09:19.23 | Pragmatic | You can SSH tunnel FTP, can't you? |
| 09:20.12 | xored | Guys i dont get, why its so difficult ? I can even set up a VPN and use FTP there, its encrypted there. But as this are not USERSs, that are customers, its a bit of diffrent storry. |
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| 09:20.44 | blondie | they're still users |
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| 09:21.34 | Growly | i always come crawling back |
| 09:21.42 | Akbar | :P |
| 09:21.46 | blondie | can't you walk? :P |
| 09:22.03 | Growly | i had an interesting question about active directory integration that lots of googling hasn't fixed - but then again im no pro googler and i haven't much time |
| 09:22.11 | Growly | blondie - i prefer to crawl |
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| 09:22.24 | blondie | don't you get dirty? |
| 09:22.30 | Growly | yeah, but it's worth it |
| 09:22.50 | bintut | any lvm guru here? :) |
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| 09:22.56 | bintut | i have lvm here.. my /usr is in /dev/vgroot/lvusr and currently using 3.x gb of space.. previously, the partition size was at 4096mb but i did a lvextend with 2048MB.. when i do a "lvdisplay -Ca", it says that my /dev/vgroot/lvusr is already at 6.0GB but when i do a "df -T -h", it says that it is still at 4.0GB. any idea why? |
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| 09:23.13 | Akbar | man I don't like gimp ;/ |
| 09:23.37 | Akbar | is there something other then gimp I could use? |
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| 09:23.52 | Growly | ok so here goes (for anyone who wouldn't mind helping) - if wbinfo -u will list for me active directory members, but getent passwd won't dish out active directory users, what could be wrong? /etc/nsswitch.conf is configured as per howto |
| 09:24.07 | cydork | Akbar: pay Adobe |
| 09:24.11 | Akbar | I would |
| 09:24.13 | Pragmatic | Akbar: http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/pbm.html |
| 09:24.14 | Pragmatic | vi |
| 09:24.30 | xored | Akbar: there is no other simalar programm. Gimp is perfect except that there are no "groups" for layers, that makes it unasable in the "professional" point |
| 09:24.30 | Akbar | lol |
| 09:25.25 | Akbar | I would use proprietary photoshop for linux :) |
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| 09:26.00 | Akbar | zored yeah but I've been trough guides, manuals and such |
| 09:26.08 | superlinux | xored, a guy told me that there is a linux application that can rebuild any windows closed source application and port it through cross compiling |
| 09:26.12 | Akbar | my mind isn't able to grasp the information :) |
| 09:26.17 | Vasistha | what's inkscape do? |
| 09:26.40 | Akbar | superlinux, rebuild without the source? |
| 09:26.52 | xored | superlinux: thats simple not possible |
| 09:27.08 | Akbar | maybe he means wine |
| 09:27.09 | bintut | Akbar: cinepaint? |
| 09:27.17 | superlinux | yes! that what he told me as far as I understood |
| 09:27.21 | xored | Akbar: what are you missing in gimp ? |
| 09:27.33 | superlinux | the program it self closed also |
| 09:27.44 | xored | superlinux: then iam just tensed, wheather adobe is giving you the 2small" photoshop sources |
| 09:27.54 | bintut | anyone? ==> http://rafb.net/paste/results/iUq6LH28.nln.html |
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| 09:28.04 | superlinux | he told me that he ported photoshop to linux |
| 09:28.11 | xantian | hello i need german speaker :) |
| 09:28.19 | Vasistha | xantian: #debian-de |
| 09:28.25 | faber3 | the linux-xen packages in "unstable" are those for the host or the guests? |
| 09:28.28 | xantian | big thx |
| 09:28.41 | Akbar | xored, I don't like the way gimp does it's interface |
| 09:28.44 | superlinux | and it's running as fast as gimp is |
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| 09:28.54 | bintut | i have a problem with my logical volume "lvusr". i already lvextend it with 2048MB but still the filesystem is still at 4.0GB |
| 09:28.56 | Akbar | it confuses me, sorry maybe I'm just stupid.. |
| 09:29.09 | xored | Akbar: its FREE, its nearly the same way as photoshop ... |
| 09:29.20 | Vasistha | bintut: did you increase the partition sizes as well? |
| 09:29.24 | xored | Akbar: you will not find anything with that functionality and that costs |
| 09:29.28 | superlinux | don't you think that rebuilding can be done through dessmbling the code? |
| 09:29.29 | Vasistha | bintut: check out parted |
| 09:29.33 | Akbar | and why does gimp have every window separate? |
| 09:29.35 | bintut | Vasistha: you mean, the filesystem? |
| 09:29.48 | Vasistha | bintut: mm, probably |
| 09:30.08 | bintut | Vasistha: what i did was just lvextend the logical volume /dev/vgroot/lvusr |
| 09:30.09 | Vasistha | I'm pretty sure there's at least two steps involved! |
| 09:30.10 | Akbar | why couldn't they just put all of it in one window: gimp |
| 09:30.12 | Akbar | :) |
| 09:30.15 | xored | Akbar: you can then use it on multideskto / multi screens better |
| 09:30.36 | xored | Akbar: it just gives you the chance, to do it yourself |
| 09:30.42 | bintut | Vasistha: i'm thinking of resize2fs afterwards that i think i missed |
| 09:30.44 | Akbar | it would be nice to have a option to bundle it |
| 09:30.54 | Growly | nsswitch.conf anyone? |
| 09:30.57 | xored | Akbar: maybe |
| 09:31.01 | xantian | in german chanel all are sleeping |
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| 09:31.06 | Vasistha | Akbar: gimp does a pretty good imitation of photoshop, actually. It's odd that you say you would pay for photoshop, yet you complain about things that are also in photoshop |
| 09:31.18 | xored | Hello guys. Iam using proftpd and somehow, (debian sarge newst version) sometime the login ist just not wokring suddenly. It just randomly says "incorrect password" or similar, the debug output for this is : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3057 .. the config is http://channels.debian.net/paste/3058 . Thank you |
| 09:31.29 | Akbar | Vasistha, ? |
| 09:31.31 | Myon | xantian: did you try? |
| 09:31.41 | xored | Vasistha: the only thing which is more then missing, are groups for layers, this is so bad...but so easy to implement.. |
| 09:31.48 | Akbar | photoshop has the windows bundled |
| 09:31.56 | xantian | i can not deinstall/remove/purge/force any packages |
| 09:32.12 | xored | Hello guys. Iam using proftpd and somehow, (debian sarge newst version) sometime the login ist just not wokring suddenly. It just randomly says "incorrect password" or similar, the debug output for this is : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3057 .. the config is http://channels.debian.net/paste/3058 . Thank you |
| 09:32.15 | Akbar | xored, you like the gimp menus? |
| 09:32.21 | Vasistha | !repeat |
| 09:32.21 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:32.24 | Vasistha | xored ^^^ |
| 09:32.27 | xored | oh sorry |
| 09:32.34 | xored | my fault, it was planned. Sorry |
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| 09:32.53 | xored | damn xchat interface.. |
| 09:33.09 | cydork | Akbar: try gimpshop if menus matter that much to you. |
| 09:33.11 | Nei | use another client? |
| 09:33.11 | xored | Akbar: its ok, if you get used to it, its liek blender. You need some time to get it |
| 09:33.28 | Vasistha | bintut: yeah ... from the perspective of the file system, I believe it just sees itself on a "bigger partition" but that doesn't mean it is using that partition, it needs to be resized to fill it |
| 09:33.28 | xantian | i can not deinstall/remove/purge/force any packages |
| 09:33.29 | xored | Nei: heh :) |
| 09:33.30 | GoAuLd | yea irc clients in linux are BULLSHIT |
| 09:33.34 | Akbar | well I find blender easier then gimp.. dunnow don't ask ;p |
| 09:33.40 | Nei | irssi is nice |
| 09:33.49 | xantian | i need the filename to remove packagenames from the file manuell |
| 09:33.54 | fluxdude | they aren't as good as mIRC which is what I'm using. |
| 09:33.55 | Akbar | the menu's are just confusing the hell out of me |
| 09:33.58 | cydork | Akbar: try gimpshop if menus matter that much to you. |
| 09:34.02 | bintut | Vasistha: yeah.. i need to get my copy of knoppix to resize my lvusr |
| 09:34.05 | fluxdude | on linux I use kvirc, less bad than the others... |
| 09:34.18 | bintut | Akbar: or cinepaint |
| 09:34.24 | superlinux | GoAuLd, well mirc can be run using wine |
| 09:34.32 | cydork | I like SIRC it's the best :P |
| 09:34.35 | Akbar | uhh cinepaint? |
| 09:34.38 | superlinux | but I hate mIRC |
| 09:34.57 | Nei | I used mirc/wine first and then irssi |
| 09:35.01 | bintut | Akbar: but if you're really a professional graphic artist, why not use a mac box and use adobe illustrator and other adobe products? |
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| 09:35.09 | GoAuLd | kvirc, very complicated and no intuitive its a headache to learn and start using it |
| 09:35.15 | xantian | i can not deinstall/remove/purge/force any packages i need the filename to remove packagenames from the file manuel |
| 09:35.35 | Nei | just take a look it looks almost like mirc http://ai.onetrix.net/Show/Screen/irssivss_irssi.png |
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| 09:35.49 | superlinux | a real pro graphic designer should get an SGI mechine |
| 09:35.56 | Pragmatic | GoAuLd: Let me guess... You want help using KVIrc. |
| 09:36.01 | GoAuLd | no |
| 09:36.02 | superlinux | althu expensive |
| 09:36.16 | yang | is there a quality radio streaming server software, preferably with IRC online support? |
| 09:36.19 | cydork | GoAuLd: shift to SIRC |
| 09:36.22 | GoAuLd | no |
| 09:36.24 | superlinux | they are the great thing! |
| 09:36.27 | cydork | GoAuLd: :) |
| 09:36.28 | GoAuLd | all of them are bull shit |
| 09:36.33 | xantian | can anyone help me please |
| 09:36.37 | Akbar | bintut, I'll be honest.. liux needs more designers, artists.. and we're almost all using photoshop :) |
| 09:36.37 | Vasistha | superlinux: heh, isn't sgi declaring bankruptcy? |
| 09:36.38 | bintut | superlinux: well, he/she should be connected to a big company.. but for a personal use, mac is good enough |
| 09:36.42 | GoAuLd | mirc is the best one |
| 09:36.48 | concept10 | yang, internet radio? |
| 09:36.59 | bintut | Akbar: then start on yourself |
| 09:37.04 | yang | concept10: yes |
| 09:37.13 | GoAuLd | ok |
| 09:37.15 | Akbar | that's like saying: use windows if you want to want to use photoshop :D |
| 09:37.19 | superlinux | Vasistha, I donno but I have seen them they are WAWW!!! |
| 09:37.24 | concept10 | yang, streamtuner |
| 09:37.25 | bintut | Akbar: i'm no designer nor artist.. i'm just a user that do basic sysad stuff |
| 09:37.32 | GoAuLd | pragmatic im using xchat, but im not happy with it |
| 09:37.44 | superlinux | bintut, correct is what you saying |
| 09:37.56 | Pragmatic | GoAuLd: Oh, really? You're being so subtle I couldn't tell. |
| 09:38.04 | yang | concept10: i need it for server (for incoming streams) |
| 09:38.09 | Akbar | bintut, but wouldn't it be great if linux bacame this cool designers platform... |
| 09:38.25 | Vasistha | xantian: do you have an error message? |
| 09:39.16 | bintut | Akbar: yeah! and i think it's everyone's dream.. but it won't happen until you contribute for the success of the existing apps like gimp and the like or develop a new one.. don't think of having a copycat of photoshop |
| 09:39.38 | yang | concept10: for distributing streams |
| 09:39.58 | concept10 | yang, oh, there are many but i dont know the names |
| 09:40.11 | cydork | Akbar: Linux is not for bunch of sissies who have problem with menus :P |
| 09:40.31 | Akbar | if I could code, I would create a photoshop copycat.. but I can't :D |
| 09:40.45 | Akbar | so yeah gimp is free and open source |
| 09:40.51 | Akbar | just have to deal with it.. |
| 09:40.52 | yang | concept10: do you know an irc channel that is associated with the project? |
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| 09:41.11 | fluxdude | when I do "somecommand | head -n 2", $? is always the exit status of the head command rather than that of "somecommand" |
| 09:41.17 | fluxdude | is there a way to do "somecommand | head -n 2" and to test the exit status of "somecommand" ? |
| 09:41.53 | concept10 | yang, no, sorry |
| 09:42.05 | jetscreamer | #bash might know |
| 09:42.26 | Pragmatic | ( somecommand; echo $? 1>2 ) | head -n 2 |
| 09:42.28 | Pragmatic | ...? |
| 09:42.29 | concept10 | yang, im not actually sure what you are looking for |
| 09:42.33 | faber3 | is there a documentation on how xen works on debian (the stuff which is in unstable) ? |
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| 09:43.19 | cydork | !xen-docs |
| 09:43.28 | schasi | Oh danke danke danke danke danke debian dass es dich gibt |
| 09:43.33 | fluxdude | Pragmatic: wouldn't that just send the exit status to the stdout.... |
| 09:43.38 | schasi | woops |
| 09:43.44 | fluxdude | I want to test the exit status within a script |
| 09:43.47 | schasi | used to being in #debian.de |
| 09:44.04 | Pragmatic | fluxdude: Since it's 1>2, wouldn't it go to stderr? |
| 09:44.13 | Akbar | man.. gimpshop package offline :S |
| 09:44.13 | Pragmatic | Ah. |
| 09:45.02 | Growly | nsswitch.conf... please... |
| 09:45.48 | Growly | can anyone help? i can do a wbinfo -g fine, but getent group doesn't reflect these additions |
| 09:45.53 | faber3 | cydork: xen-docs did not come to me |
| 09:46.08 | cydork | faber3 : :) |
| 09:46.29 | Akbar | oh wait.. |
| 09:46.43 | faber3 | my question is simple: which kernel do i install in order for xen to work ? |
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| 09:47.10 | fluxdude | Pragmatic: yeah, point is I don't want the status output, I want to capture and test it... |
| 09:47.12 | cydork | faber3 : check this out http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/320 |
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| 09:51.23 | junii2 | hi, im using KsCD and have the sound up to the last but its not half the volume it should be and I cant find a master volume setting |
| 09:51.48 | jetscreamer | use your mixer? kmix? |
| 09:52.34 | junii2 | its up to the last |
| 09:52.54 | Growly | AHA! |
| 09:52.56 | Growly | I FIXED IT! |
| 09:53.03 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 09:53.05 | Growly | I DONT'T KNOW HOW! This is a good day for everyone. |
| 09:53.30 | Akbar | lol |
| 09:53.42 | junii2 | what could be the story... |
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| 09:56.15 | Crissi | hi |
| 09:56.31 | Crissi | whats the status of ipw3945 in unstable? |
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| 09:59.10 | Hak`M | I just attached an usb drive to my debian computer. The USB drivers loaded the Mass Storage support. And I got some message: uba: uba1 But I don't know where to mount it from, it seems it's not /dev/sda and I can't find anything like /dev/uda Any help here? |
| 09:59.25 | jetscreamer | sda1 eh |
| 09:59.32 | Crissi | mount /dev/uba1 /mnt |
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| 09:59.52 | jetscreamer | 1 indicates which partition |
| 10:00.28 | Hak`M | Yer. But when checking with cfdisk it couldn't find any disk at /dev/sda |
| 10:00.48 | Hak`M | and Crissi /dev/uba1 does not exsist |
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| 10:03.13 | Growly | ok im back with more problems |
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| 10:03.26 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 10:03.33 | ruxpin | do you know some deb repositories that have developent packages? I need gconf-2.16 |
| 10:03.35 | Growly | if i have a software raid array (in debian) that has suddenly decided to not be active, what should i scream? |
| 10:03.38 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/partitions |
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| 10:03.49 | jetscreamer | Hak`M: ^^ |
| 10:04.23 | Growly | hmmm now what? |
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| 10:04.34 | kristalino | "Invalid command 'LogSQLTransferLogTable', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration" I got this message with apache in debian. Any idea ? |
| 10:04.39 | Hak`M | jetscreamer, Hmmm it's annoying since the device is detected by my usb drivers. I just apear to have no dev device to mount from. :P |
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| 10:05.31 | jetscreamer | Hak`M: i know nothing, but if there's nothing when you do cat /proc/partitions 'maybe' you need an udev rule |
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| 10:06.54 | jetscreamer | i have never ever ever even seen any reference to /dev/uba |
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| 10:07.20 | cafuego | /dev/uba is a user-mode-linux disk device |
| 10:07.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 10:08.52 | Fox | kristalino: mod_log_sql is not enabled then |
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| 10:09.51 | Growly | im going to explode. how do i active this md0? |
| 10:09.54 | Growly | pleaseeee? |
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| 10:10.31 | Fox | Growly: man mdadm ? |
| 10:10.41 | faber3 | how can i downgrade a whole system from unstable to etch ? |
| 10:10.41 | Growly | i have |
| 10:11.17 | Vasistha | faber3: I understand that's risky business :P |
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| 10:11.28 | TinoW | hi |
| 10:11.41 | Sonderblade | how do you check which package installed a specific file? |
| 10:11.58 | TinoW | hm. "subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" are there any options to dpkg which could help me to debug this? |
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| 10:12.13 | liable | faber3: downgrades arent easily done, and are often impossible, though changing sources, eventually you will end with etch, if you want to actually downgrade immediately, then good luck |
| 10:12.13 | Zvpun | Hi, I would like to record from my microphon. When I use "arecord test.wav" the file is 44 bytes long and contains no input. I have $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfebf8000 irq 201 $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.11rc2 (Wed Jan 04 08:57:20 2006 UTC). In alsamixer I have "Capture", "Capture 1" and "Capture 2" all set to 100% and enabled the Cap |
| 10:12.19 | TinoW | Sonderblade: apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 10:12.26 | faber3 | TinoW: you can find the script and put some debug code inside |
| 10:12.52 | TinoW | faber3: I wonder if its possible to read the stderr of that script somewhere? |
| 10:12.53 | eSa| | hi, how can I use tar to list it's contents? from 'tar --help ' i guess it's 'tar -t <filename.tar>' but that doesn't seem to work for me |
| 10:13.02 | faber3 | liable: well the system has not many packages. but dist-upgrade thinks everything is fine |
| 10:13.12 | TinoW | eSa|: tar tf <file> |
| 10:13.19 | faber3 | TinoW: find the script first |
| 10:13.20 | liable | TinoW: bash -x /path/to/script |
| 10:13.28 | TinoW | faber3: how? |
| 10:13.32 | Sonderblade | TinoW: can you give an example? |
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| 10:13.49 | liable | err |
| 10:14.04 | TinoW | Sonderblade: look at the http://packages.debian.org/ just near the bottom "search files in packages" |
| 10:14.05 | eSa| | TInoW, ooh I see - ty :) |
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| 10:14.26 | faber3 | TinoW: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 10:14.44 | Vasistha | Sonderblade: also /msg dpkg search |
| 10:15.25 | liable | faber3: apt doesnt do downgrades, it always picks the latest version, therefore it wont downgrade to testing.. |
| 10:15.53 | liable | faber3: you can try messing with aptitude though |
| 10:16.02 | faber3 | liable: i dont know aptitude? |
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| 10:16.23 | liable | faber3: time to learn? :P |
| 10:16.34 | faber3 | liable: it always is |
| 10:16.40 | Vasistha | I'm pretty sure apt can be set up to do pinning and release preference |
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| 10:17.09 | liable | it can, but.. |
| 10:17.22 | liable | depends on what you want to downgrade |
| 10:17.26 | liable | !downgrade |
| 10:17.26 | Vasistha | faber3: the problem with aptitude is, the first time you use it, you have to go through your entire list of installed packages |
| 10:17.27 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. But you can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 10:17.49 | faber3 | liable: well i was thinking to downgrade the whole system . but nevermind. the box can also run unstable |
| 10:18.01 | scanf | speaking of apt-ger |
| 10:18.04 | scanf | apt-get |
| 10:18.26 | scanf | how can I *make* apt-get forget that I have something installed |
| 10:18.33 | faber3 | anyone knows if xen is in the linux kernel? |
| 10:18.47 | liable | faber3: if you have etch in sources, it will eventually become etch, it will just take a while for the current unstable packages to hit testing. |
| 10:18.54 | scanf | I installed celestiafrom the celestia installer and it works fine |
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| 10:19.17 | faber3 | liable: you are right... i could just put the sources back to etch and wait |
| 10:19.18 | scanf | but apt-get wont let me install anything else until I remove it |
| 10:19.28 | liable | faber3: right |
| 10:19.44 | scanf | keeps complaining about stupid unmet depends that don't really exist |
| 10:19.51 | jetscreamer | scanf: compile it yourself put it in local |
| 10:19.56 | scanf | nah |
| 10:20.06 | scanf | there is an easier way |
| 10:20.07 | jetscreamer | scanf: or you can install the deps manually |
| 10:20.12 | jetscreamer | yes but you won't like it |
| 10:20.14 | scanf | no |
| 10:20.16 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 10:20.16 | dpkg | methinks fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
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| 10:20.32 | scanf | I just want to make apt-get forget that it's there |
| 10:20.35 | jetscreamer | that would probably just remove celestia |
| 10:20.39 | scanf | everything is working fine |
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| 10:20.53 | scanf | I actually *have* no dependency problems |
| 10:20.57 | jetscreamer | you might be able to put celestia on hold |
| 10:21.02 | scanf | apt-get just *thinks* I do |
| 10:21.23 | Eulex | you have dependency problems |
| 10:21.24 | scanf | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 10:21.29 | fireba11 | how you managed to do that ? |
| 10:21.41 | scanf | Eulex: youhave no clue. PLease be quiet |
| 10:21.52 | jetscreamer | well in dselect you jut hit H ... not sure how to do it manually |
| 10:21.59 | Eulex | scanf, there you lost the potential help I could give you. |
| 10:22.03 | Eulex | *plonk* |
| 10:22.19 | scanf | Eulex: yourcomment indicats you don't unserstand the problem |
| 10:22.20 | jetscreamer | and you probably 'do' have a dep problem, but your existing stuff does work |
| 10:22.35 | Zvpun | Hi, I would like to record from my microphon. When I use "arecord test.wav" the file is 44 bytes long and contains no input. I have $ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfebf8000 irq 201 $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.11rc2 (Wed Jan 04 08:57:20 2006 UTC). In alsamixer I have "Capture", "Capture 1" and "Capture 2" all set to 100% and enabled the Cap |
| 10:22.36 | scanf | rght |
| 10:22.59 | scanf | soi I just want to remove celestia from apt-get's registry of installed progams |
| 10:23.52 | scanf | sheesh |
| 10:23.53 | fireba11 | scanf not a good idea if you didn't delete the pacakge manually i can't think of a reason to do so |
| 10:23.54 | jetscreamer | sounds like a recipe for borkage some day |
| 10:24.06 | jetscreamer | jsut fix the deps then reinstall celestia |
| 10:24.20 | jetscreamer | would be my advice |
| 10:24.28 | scanf | sheesh is apt-get that borked thatI can't remove apackage from registry?!? |
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| 10:24.44 | scanf | what kind of architecture is that?!? |
| 10:24.58 | fireba11 | scanf: apt-get prevents you from borking everything by not allowing to simply removve that entry |
| 10:25.29 | scanf | fireba11: sorry to say this, but windows does that too |
| 10:25.36 | liable | just purge the fucker with apropriate flags, man dpkg.. |
| 10:25.49 | scanf | liable: cool |
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| 10:25.59 | fireba11 | scanf and that is the reason why you can easily bork windows |
| 10:26.35 | scanf | fireba11: uh... that doesn't say much for apt-get if you follow my reasoning |
| 10:26.36 | fireba11 | scanf: you're always better of to fix that package then to tell apt to forget about it |
| 10:26.54 | scanf | fireba11: what is better is for me to decide |
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| 10:27.12 | fireba11 | scanf: feel free to riun your installation then |
| 10:27.38 | scanf | fireba11: then its really borked from the start anyway |
| 10:27.46 | liable | scanf: err, using dpkg can easily mess your install if you dont understand it, so dont go too crazy.. |
| 10:28.02 | fireba11 | scanf: i got the impresson you did not fully grasp the intention of packaet management |
| 10:28.06 | scanf | liable: point taken. proceed with extream caution |
| 10:28.35 | scanf | fireba11: this stupidpackage wasn't installed through the apt-get system |
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| 10:28.46 | fireba11 | scanf: ah .. okay |
| 10:28.56 | scanf | fireba11: apt-get shouldn't even know about it!!! |
| 10:29.06 | liable | surprise, surprise.. |
| 10:29.12 | cydork | scanf: first of all RTFM!!! |
| 10:29.13 | scanf | fireba11: now does EVERYBODY hear finally understand |
| 10:29.29 | jetscreamer | no actually you just made it muddier with that last |
| 10:29.37 | scanf | cydork: well you can do that one for years |
| 10:29.38 | liable | scanf: if it was a .deb, then apt knows. |
| 10:30.03 | liable | thats the whole point |
| 10:30.17 | junii2 | how can I check if I have inotify |
| 10:30.19 | scanf | liable: it was encapsulated in an installer bin: gave no warning about registering with dpkg |
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| 10:31.05 | jetscreamer | sounds like you want to run experimental |
| 10:31.07 | liable | scanf: well, theres a warning for you, who knows what the hell a bin file does.. |
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| 10:32.00 | liable | if apt is whining, then a dpkg -l |grep is prolly a good start.. |
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| 10:37.20 | scanf | ok. I fixed it. liable: thanks for tips. |
| 10:37.31 | junii2 | i tried to install kdmtheme yesterday and apt-get says unmet dependancies listing a few. eg. kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but it is not installable. Now today I tried to install kat and it comes up with the following packages have unmet depends. kat and kdmtheme listing a load of depneds |
| 10:37.49 | junii2 | like the example given |
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| 10:38.20 | junii2 | shouldnt it resolve these depends automatically. but it even says some are not installable |
| 10:38.41 | fireba11 | junii2: what debian falvour you got ? |
| 10:38.46 | fireba11 | flavour .. ^^ |
| 10:38.48 | junii2 | sarge |
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| 10:39.26 | wols | junii2: is that an official sarge kde install? |
| 10:39.28 | liable | junii2: and you have nothing but official sources? |
| 10:39.37 | liable | !lose me |
| 10:39.37 | junii2 | wols: nope |
| 10:39.38 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 10:39.42 | fireba11 | liable: would ahve been my next question :-D |
| 10:39.43 | junii2 | stosberg |
| 10:40.03 | junii2 | deb.stosberg.net |
| 10:40.40 | liable | junii2: how are we to know whats broken with your unofficial sources? |
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| 10:41.32 | junii2 | i have them commented out at the moment. the only ones commented are official. The only unofficial app is kde3.5 |
| 10:42.14 | faber3 | if apt-cache show, show to versions. how do i tell apt-get to use the other? |
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| 10:42.44 | liable | junii2: if you need newer stuff, backports is usually the best bet, but getting in touch with the maintainers is prolly your best bet |
| 10:43.08 | jetscreamer | !find kexi |
| 10:43.24 | eSa| | !find kexi |
| 10:43.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'kexi' (6): kexi ;; kexi-mysql-driver ;; kexi-postgresql-driver ;; libkexi-dev ;; libkexif1 ;; libkexif1-dev. |
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| 10:43.56 | junii2 | yeah, I tried contacting the maintainer but no reply yet. Stosberg hosts KDE3.5.2, how to revert to KDE3.5.0 on backports without losing all settings regarding kde look etc. |
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| 10:44.05 | jetscreamer | now somebody tell me why the access clone doesn't have the msaccess import module compiled in, in the debian version |
| 10:44.11 | junii2 | *how can I revert (I mean) |
| 10:44.18 | jetscreamer | !info kexi |
| 10:44.21 | dpkg | kexi: (integrated database environment for the KDE Office Suite), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:1.5.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 3013 kB, Installed size: 9180 kB |
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| 10:44.53 | liable | junii2: with dpkg and pain, or aptitude and slightly less pain.. |
| 10:45.13 | junii2 | any pointers? I don't want to fuck this up |
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| 10:45.46 | junii2 | will I have to go through each individual package |
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| 10:47.33 | raf256 | my graphics card performence is horrible (nvidia, using build in "nv" driver) |
| 10:47.42 | liable | thats a feature |
| 10:47.45 | raf256 | anyone knows when testing Xorg 7.0 will again work with nvidia.com's real, binary, drivers? |
| 10:48.06 | petemc | christ |
| 10:48.10 | raf256 | no 3d graph, and 2d performence is about x4 lower then it was, like on some old S3 Trio |
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| 10:49.22 | suppaman | hello |
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| 10:49.58 | suppaman | I've installed libwxgtk, apt-get upgraded a few xserver packages too and now vncserver isn't starting anymore |
| 10:50.00 | liable | Administrator_: let me guess, you are irc'ing from a windows box?? |
| 10:50.09 | suppaman | I get a: Fatal server error: |
| 10:50.09 | suppaman | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 10:50.10 | Administrator_ | liable, yes :) |
| 10:50.17 | liable | Administrator_: :) |
| 10:50.19 | suppaman | is it somehow xfs related ? |
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| 10:50.42 | jetscreamer | so why are you running as admin? you would never run as root |
| 10:51.01 | jetscreamer | or would you |
| 10:51.15 | Administrator_ | I'm running debian sid, and when I invoke dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose a different locale, it won't apply for some strage reasons. the files /etc/locales and /etc/default/locales got modifyed. I tried logging in and out. |
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| 10:53.13 | liable | Administrator_: bts is a good start. |
| 10:53.47 | suppaman | what package does install fixed font ? |
| 10:57.24 | junii2 | at the moment I cant do anything with apt-get due to this "kdethem" and "kat" thing coming up |
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| 10:57.49 | junii2 | how do I remove them completely so the dependancies dont keep sppearing |
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| 10:58.50 | Growly | ok next question |
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| 10:59.45 | Growly | i take it my software raid array isn't set to autostart, because upon reboot i need to reassemble it with mdadm. what is the best way to do this (not counting a stupid script)? apparently the kernel has support for autodetection - is there anyone here who runs linux raid? |
| 11:00.05 | HelmutG | Hi. Is there a compareable package to fast-user-switch-applet without the gnome-panel dependency? |
| 11:00.48 | liable | Growly: either make a mdadm.conf (man madam.conf) or set partitions to raid autodetect |
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| 11:01.23 | liable | Growly: http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 11:02.01 | liable | Growly: the mdadm init scripts are worth a quick browse too.. |
| 11:02.43 | liable | junii2: dpkg is prolly your best bet or aptitude |
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| 11:04.15 | junii2 | aahhh, I got cat working. Now I need an inotify enabled kernel. Which kernel should I get? |
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| 11:04.50 | scanf | for anyone that didn'talready know: you can get google earth forlinux (works under Debian unstable) |
| 11:05.03 | Growly | liable - i love you, cheers |
| 11:05.05 | scanf | well... |
| 11:05.11 | scanf | at least it works for me |
| 11:05.15 | scanf | :) |
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| 11:05.45 | Growly | liabe - so is it normal that my array upon reboot is not activated? |
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| 11:06.42 | liable | Growly: if they are not set to autodetect, or if you dont have the apropriate mdadm.conf. do you have errors from kernel? |
| 11:06.58 | Growly | not that i notice, all drives are noted nicely on started |
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| 11:08.08 | liable | Growly: if you can build the array after, then theres a config fuckage somewhere |
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| 11:09.37 | junii2 | 2.6.8 seems to be the latest kernel version availabel for sarge. How should I go about getting a later version? |
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| 11:10.08 | Growly | uh, so you're saying that cause i can assemble my raid array after reboot (and i have no config files), things are screwed? |
| 11:11.08 | liable | Growly: well, if its not done at boot for you, then your mdadm.conf isnt ok.. |
| 11:11.23 | liable | junii2: backports.org or compile one. |
| 11:11.36 | Growly | oh that i can fix - now why don't i have a /proc/mdstat file? |
| 11:11.56 | liable | Growly: is mdadm running? |
| 11:12.26 | Growly | no - it's a daemon / background process? |
| 11:12.29 | liable | Growly: if the array isnt running.. |
| 11:12.37 | Growly | or do i have to set it to monitor? |
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| 11:13.15 | liable | if the array is up, then you should have a file in proc |
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| 11:13.42 | Growly | silly me, i was on the wrong server |
| 11:13.42 | Growly | all is well |
| 11:13.47 | liable | !lart Growly |
| 11:13.49 | liable | :P |
| 11:15.30 | Growly | so is this telling me that I have to recreate the array, except before mangling the drives together I have to format them as FD? |
| 11:15.55 | junii2 | liable: thanks but how can I figure out what kernel version supports inotify |
| 11:15.59 | liable | no, read the link i gave you, or better, man mdadm.conf.. |
| 11:16.06 | Growly | hmm, i'll get there, eventually - goodnight all and thanks for your help (liable) |
| 11:16.11 | Growly | i am reading the link, heh |
| 11:16.15 | liable | junii2: google i guess.. |
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| 11:16.38 | liable | junii2: unless you want to read kernel changelogs... |
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| 11:17.59 | liable | Growly: in that howto he sets it autodetect, but unless your / is the array, its not needed.. |
| 11:18.17 | Growly | oh is that what he was getting at? |
| 11:18.24 | liable | and in that case, mdadm.conf is the answer |
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| 11:18.36 | Growly | i saw a bunch of nonsense on replicating filesystems and fooling the raid contsructors |
| 11:18.39 | junii2 | what would be the difference to using a 386 kernel on a 686 machine |
| 11:18.42 | Growly | excellent |
| 11:19.26 | blondie | junii2: potentially worse performance i.e. slower |
| 11:19.31 | Guerin | junii2: you probably won't notice |
| 11:19.51 | Guerin | it's sort of like the difference between using 96 and 98 octane fuel |
| 11:19.54 | Growly | zomg @ the mdadm --examine --scan > mdadm.conf function |
| 11:19.56 | liable | Guerin: baaa |
| 11:20.05 | Guerin | liable: brrr is more like it |
| 11:20.20 | liable | Guerin: hows the trip, you in pommy land already? |
| 11:20.52 | Guerin | liable: busted my collarbone, had to come home for treatment, ran out of money and stay here |
| 11:21.12 | junii2 | ok. well ive added backports for the 2.6.14-686 kernel and it says unmet dependancies: yaird but it is not going to be installed otr initramfs-tools but it is not goping to be installed or linux-initramfs-tool |
| 11:21.24 | liable | Guerin: damn, thats a fucker. |
| 11:21.25 | jetscreamer | install yaird |
| 11:21.34 | Guerin | junii2: don't bother, just use the kernel which works |
| 11:21.37 | jetscreamer | at the same time |
| 11:21.51 | Guerin | liable: yeah, ruined my day/week/month properly |
| 11:21.54 | junii2 | guerin: i need this kernel for inotify |
| 11:22.00 | Guerin | !need |
| 11:22.00 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. you do need beer, though. |
| 11:22.08 | jetscreamer | add yaird to the install line |
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| 11:22.41 | liable | Guerin: i didnt think they actually did anything for collarbones anyway? |
| 11:22.42 | jetscreamer | or one of the others, yaird isn't the debian default |
| 11:22.47 | anthrax[net] | hey where is the file to configureate the network? |
| 11:22.55 | jetscreamer | fuckin collarbones HURT |
| 11:23.02 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.04 | anthrax[net] | so after a restart the interface is configured |
| 11:23.05 | anthrax[net] | ok |
| 11:23.12 | Guerin | liable: they don't really, but I cna't carry a pack or do anything with my right arm for the next 3 months, so home was really the only place to be |
| 11:23.34 | liable | ah, right. sucks to be you :P |
| 11:23.41 | Guerin | jetscreamer: after the first 24 hours, hasn't hurt much unless I try to move it |
| 11:23.56 | Guerin | now I have about 50% use back |
| 11:24.02 | petemc | Guerin: you didnt make it to ireland? |
| 11:24.06 | Guerin | including typing, but not wanking |
| 11:24.09 | jetscreamer | i broke mine once playing football :( |
| 11:24.15 | liable | haha |
| 11:24.19 | Guerin | petemc: nope, and won't in the near future, sadly |
| 11:24.25 | petemc | bummer |
| 11:24.34 | Guerin | liable: good thing god made us with a spare eh |
| 11:24.37 | petemc | ill have a guinness for ya |
| 11:24.47 | liable | about wanking or making it to ireland?? :) |
| 11:25.05 | petemc | the two should not be confused :) |
| 11:25.11 | liable | referencing comment 3 up :) |
| 11:25.12 | Guerin | petemc: cheers. I will be there eventually, but I'm just back t grad skool now, so it'll likely be a couple years |
| 11:25.18 | anthrax[net] | what command is used to configure the ip 192.168.1.1 to the interface eth0 |
| 11:25.36 | jetscreamer | nano |
| 11:26.00 | anthrax[net] | ok |
| 11:26.03 | anthrax[net] | thx |
| 11:26.07 | anthrax[net] | :-() |
| 11:26.15 | blondie | nah, it's "vim /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 11:26.19 | Growly | is it bad that my raid array doesn't have a superblock? |
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| 11:26.27 | Growly | an md superblock, rather |
| 11:26.30 | Growly | im so noob. |
| 11:26.33 | blondie | n00b. |
| 11:26.45 | junii2 | where is the kernel in aptitude |
| 11:26.49 | blondie | ... |
| 11:26.57 | eps | hiding |
| 11:27.02 | Guerin | they're not that super anyway |
| 11:27.04 | eps | trying searching for it? |
| 11:27.21 | jetscreamer | wtf is apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 anyway |
| 11:27.29 | Eulex | jetscreamer, try it, you won't go back :D |
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| 11:27.34 | eps | lol |
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| 11:28.01 | Guerin | !start an editor war |
| 11:28.01 | dpkg | nvi doesn't deserve to be in red hat |
| 11:28.09 | eps | no, it doesn't |
| 11:28.23 | cydork | Eulex : not if you are using Emacs |
| 11:28.36 | Growly | i like nano |
| 11:28.39 | eps | yeah, but no one uses emacs ;) |
| 11:28.51 | Eulex | cydork, maybe |
| 11:28.55 | eps | emacs is not an acceptable option! |
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| 11:29.09 | blondie | I accidently ran emacs the other day and couldn't work out how to exit :( |
| 11:29.18 | harshal_P | hi, suddenly i am not able to lock my desktop in gnome |
| 11:29.19 | eps | haha |
| 11:29.21 | harshal_P | any clues |
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| 11:29.24 | eps | yeah emacs is a bit weird like that |
| 11:29.38 | eps | harshal_P: look at the errors when you lock it in the console |
| 11:29.39 | Guerin | harshal_P: just turn off your monitor |
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| 11:29.46 | mandingo | ahahaha |
| 11:29.48 | eps | lol |
| 11:29.50 | Guerin | then everyone will think the computer is off |
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| 11:30.16 | harshal_P | esp: there are no errors, just when i click lock screen from desktop menu, nothing happens |
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| 11:30.23 | Guerin | either that or you could change all the gtk widget colours to pink, and then people will think you have the pink virus |
| 11:30.25 | harshal_P | esp: it was working properly |
| 11:30.33 | blondie | (disabled the keyboard) |
| 11:30.50 | eps | harshal_P: yes but run it from the console and look at the errors |
| 11:31.20 | harshal_P | esp: what is the command to lock desktop from console? |
| 11:31.24 | Guerin | i bet it's just one of the gnome subsystems named after animals which has died |
| 11:31.33 | blondie | xlock? |
| 11:31.34 | eps | not sure |
| 11:31.40 | eps | xscreensaver? |
| 11:31.51 | jetscreamer | xlockmore maybe |
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| 11:31.59 | jetscreamer | xlock or xlocksomething |
| 11:32.12 | eps | mmm just right click, make a panel icon, then right click on that icon and get properties |
| 11:32.23 | jetscreamer | xlock |
| 11:33.00 | harshal_P | jescreamer:xlock is not present |
| 11:33.11 | harshal_P | esp: gnome is wierd, its working now. i dont know how. |
| 11:33.13 | eps | that is probably your problem then |
| 11:33.17 | harshal_P | esp: but its locking now |
| 11:33.20 | harshal_P | esp: all i did |
| 11:33.23 | eps | then don't complain :) |
| 11:33.31 | eps | also, E P S not E S P |
| 11:33.36 | harshal_P | esp: is right click instead of left and it worked |
| 11:33.46 | eps | riiight that is odd |
| 11:33.51 | harshal_P | eps: ok esp ;) |
| 11:33.57 | eps | :P |
| 11:34.01 | jetscreamer | spe |
| 11:34.09 | eps | that is my alt nick :) |
| 11:34.19 | harshal_P | eps: ok |
| 11:34.51 | harshal_P | thanks all. see u guys later. |
| 11:34.59 | eps | later |
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| 11:38.07 | xored | Hello guys. Iam using proftpd and somehow, sometime the login ist just not wokring suddenly. It just randomly says "incorrect password" or similar, the debug output for this is : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3057 .. the config is http://channels.debian.net/paste/3058 . Thank you |
| 11:38.21 | raf256 | anyone knows when testing Xorg 7.0 will again work with nvidia.com's real, binary, drivers? |
| 11:38.23 | blondie | again? |
| 11:39.52 | jetscreamer | raf256: atm, and has for a while |
| 11:39.58 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 11:40.11 | jetscreamer | well it's sid |
| 11:40.21 | raf256 | jetscreamer: how you made it work? |
| 11:40.25 | raf256 | I have problem described in: |
| 11:41.08 | raf256 | lcmake |
| 11:41.11 | raf256 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362868 |
| 11:41.18 | jetscreamer | i install xserver-xorg-dev, uninstall the binary, less /var/log/nvidia-installer, mv the 'not a symlink' items, or whatever, then install the binary |
| 11:42.08 | raf256 | jetscreamer: install the binary - that is run the NVIDIA...run from nvidia.com right? |
| 11:42.13 | jetscreamer | right |
| 11:42.19 | raf256 | but you are on unstable? |
| 11:42.24 | jetscreamer | right |
| 11:42.47 | raf256 | No packages found matching xserver-xorg-dev what the..? |
| 11:43.24 | raf256 | testing/main xserver-xorg-dev 1:1.0.2-8 and what is your version? |
| 11:43.38 | jetscreamer | Version: 1:1.0.2-9 |
| 11:43.47 | LinuxMafia | hi all |
| 11:44.37 | LinuxMafia | i installed openoffice but there is no language modules in it , spell check does not work at all |
| 11:44.43 | jetscreamer | installing the -dev was suggested by an nvidia dev, it's just one file in there that's needed, i forget... .p? some list. |
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| 11:45.07 | jetscreamer | LinuxMafia: there are additional lang packs available for d/l installation |
| 11:45.12 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search |
| 11:45.31 | knt | What is the name of the tool to adjust GTK fonts (globally for any GTK app.)? |
| 11:46.05 | LinuxMafia | jetscreamer, i know even in gentoo i did that no work |
| 11:46.17 | LinuxMafia | jetscreamer, for what i have to search |
| 11:46.23 | jetscreamer | LinuxMafia: all i know :( |
| 11:46.27 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 11:46.55 | raf256 | jetscreamer: nvidia dev? huh? |
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| 11:47.21 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search openoffice.org-l10n |
| 11:47.22 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 11:47.37 | jetscreamer | raf256: a guy who works for nvidia dev'ing the driver |
| 11:48.00 | jetscreamer | #nvidia |
| 11:48.06 | LinuxMafia | jetscreamer, oh i innstalled openoffice.org-l10n-en-us |
| 11:48.31 | jiriki | hm |
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| 11:49.00 | jiriki | I wonder if its possible to run VLC from the command line? |
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| 11:49.04 | jetscreamer | does oo use myspell? |
| 11:49.33 | jetscreamer | i see stuff saying 'updating oo dictionary' when i update even though i don't have oo installed |
| 11:49.37 | LinuxMafia | jetscreamer, this is the thing i installed myspell aspell |
| 11:49.52 | jetscreamer | myspell-en-us |
| 11:49.55 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 11:50.03 | LinuxMafia | lemme try |
| 11:50.35 | jetscreamer | when i apt-cache search openoffice.org |grep -i spell i get a lot of myspell's returned |
| 11:50.52 | jetscreamer | same w/o the .org |
| 11:51.05 | LinuxMafia | jetscreamer, i have it installed |
| 11:51.11 | jetscreamer | beyond me |
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| 11:52.30 | LinuxMafia | thanks jetscreamer |
| 11:56.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:56.22 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
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| 11:57.08 | junii2 | im trying to remove xfce4, ive tried xfce4 and xfwm4 but its still there? How do you get rid of the whole package? |
| 11:57.38 | azeem | junii2: look at xfce4's Depends: and remove them as well if they start with x*, I'd |
| 11:57.42 | azeem | ... say. |
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| 11:58.13 | junii2 | so they need to be deleted individually, do they? |
| 11:58.35 | liable | junii2: wont help you now, but learn to love aptitude :P |
| 11:58.55 | jetscreamer | !kill aptitude |
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| 11:59.15 | jetscreamer | bowars |
| 11:59.21 | jetscreamer | err botwars |
| 12:00.10 | liable | i guess dselect will fix it.. |
| 12:00.33 | pihhan | is there some reason, why ipv6 is not enabled with debian inetd server? |
| 12:01.33 | liable | explain? |
| 12:01.39 | junii2 | when going apt-get xfce4, shouldnt it remove everything though |
| 12:01.50 | junii2 | *apt-get remove |
| 12:02.01 | liable | junii2: no, apt-get is to stupid. |
| 12:02.08 | liable | too* |
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| 12:02.14 | junii2 | errr |
| 12:02.28 | junii2 | im not sure through aptitude what is x windows and xfce |
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| 12:03.34 | liable | junii2: aptitude logs what was installed automatically as depends, so when you remove a package, aptitude removes the auto depends, apt-get doesnt do that.. |
| 12:03.38 | azeem | junii2: all of xfce4's direct dependencies are xfce packages you can safely remove |
| 12:04.09 | junii2 | problem is so that ive already removed xfce4 through apt-get so now I cant remove it through aptitude |
| 12:04.30 | azeem | junii2: so remove things manually |
| 12:04.33 | liable | like i said, wont help you know, but.. |
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| 12:06.33 | junii2 | when searching through aptitude I just get three entries beginning with xf but xfce has more than that. How will I find out what the rest are? |
| 12:06.50 | azeem | junii2: you look at xfce4's dependencies |
| 12:07.09 | azeem | I told you three times now, if you don't know how to do that, you should say that |
| 12:07.20 | junii2 | ok, well I dont |
| 12:07.38 | azeem | so, you go to aptitude's entry for the `xfce4' package |
| 12:07.53 | azeem | there, you make it display the extended information |
| 12:08.06 | junii2 | Thats the problem; I removed xfce4 |
| 12:08.12 | liable | if it wasnt installed with aptitude, it wont remove the auto depends |
| 12:08.25 | azeem | junii2: aptitude still knows about it |
| 12:08.25 | Eulex | junii2, xfce4 is just a meta package |
| 12:08.28 | azeem | junii2: searc for it |
| 12:08.30 | Eulex | !meta-package |
| 12:08.33 | Eulex | !metapackage |
| 12:08.34 | dpkg | methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
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| 12:08.57 | julio | ssdfsfdfs |
| 12:09.16 | liable | theres no point in using aptitude after the fact. dpkg -l is prolly the best bet |
| 12:09.41 | Eulex | junii2, when you remove the xfce4 meta package, you won't remove xfce4. you need to remove the package that the xfce4 package installed as dependencies |
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| 12:09.59 | junii2 | well, searching through aptitude for xfce4 doesn't reveal anything. It just brings me to xfce4-panel-dev |
| 12:10.30 | liable | why do you want to remove xfce anyway? :P |
| 12:10.31 | jetscreamer | try rdepends |
| 12:10.46 | Eulex | junii2, apt-cache search xfce |
| 12:10.49 | azeem | junii2: keep on hitting n until you have it |
| 12:10.53 | junii2 | my root partition is nearly filled |
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| 12:11.09 | junii2 | i haven't ebven enoght space to download xfce again |
| 12:11.21 | liable | clean the cache.. |
| 12:11.28 | Eulex | dpkg -l|grep xf or dpkg|grep xfce is probably better |
| 12:11.28 | dpkg | Eulex: what are you talking about? |
| 12:11.37 | Eulex | hah |
| 12:11.40 | Eulex | dpkg -i brain |
| 12:11.44 | Eulex | :/ |
| 12:11.47 | ProRat | hi all |
| 12:11.49 | ProRat | :) |
| 12:12.03 | liable | hola |
| 12:12.05 | junii2 | cache is clean |
| 12:12.08 | ProRat | how are u man? |
| 12:12.23 | azeem | junii2: did you find the xfce4 package? |
| 12:12.29 | liable | ProRat: this aint a chat chanell.. |
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| 12:14.01 | junii2 | azeem yep |
| 12:14.08 | Qb3rt | when i try to startx i have the following error Cannot open device /dev/input/mice i am using vmware with usb mouse... |
| 12:14.35 | azeem | junii2: now, hit `d' |
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| 12:14.44 | azeem | junii2: that will show you its dependencies |
| 12:14.57 | ProRat | how to register a fucking nick? |
| 12:14.58 | ProRat | ... |
| 12:15.05 | azeem | ProRat: ask in #freenode |
| 12:15.11 | azeem | and you should be able to mark them for removal |
| 12:15.13 | ProRat | thanks |
| 12:15.14 | ProRat | :) |
| 12:15.22 | junii2 | im at the command line - you told me to run apt-cache search; after it lists the search it reverts back to prompt... |
| 12:15.48 | azeem | junii2: I didn't |
| 12:16.15 | azeem | junii2: if you want to do this from the command line, do 'apt-cache show xfce4 | grep ^Depends' |
| 12:16.33 | azeem | and then apt-get remove those packages |
| 12:17.11 | junii2 | ahhh, ok |
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| 12:17.29 | nuller | hi :) |
| 12:17.47 | nuller | i need help with my bind dns |
| 12:17.55 | junii2 | and when thats done all of xfce is gone? Will it also remove entries from session type in kdm |
| 12:18.05 | azeem | junii2: I hope so |
| 12:18.19 | ProRat | bb all :))))) |
| 12:18.20 | azeem | junii2: you can do the same with those packages |
| 12:18.32 | junii2 | god this is messy |
| 12:19.01 | azeem | junii2: "apt-get remove libxfce4util2 libxfcegui4-4" in addition will remove more of it |
| 12:19.27 | junii2 | what aelse could be filling up root partition and ill try and free up the extra 15 megs to get xfce4 again |
| 12:19.31 | azeem | junii2: after that, do 'dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep xfce4' to see whether something survived |
| 12:19.36 | sk4nK | anyone here sucessfully got user mode linux going? I think i've got it most of the way there, but it doesn't seem to boot properly. if someone can help me out it would be great. |
| 12:19.43 | azeem | junii2: your logfiles, maybe |
| 12:19.43 | junii2 | then ill remove it right through aptitude |
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| 12:20.56 | junii2 | can I remove everything in var log and trust the logging programs to recreate the files, I wonder |
| 12:21.12 | azeem | I wouldn't do that |
| 12:21.19 | azeem | you cannot "recreate" logs |
| 12:21.34 | junii2 | fuck it, actually. maybe KDE package manager might work for this |
| 12:21.45 | liable | i think he means, start from 0 again.. |
| 12:21.47 | azeem | what does "du -s -h /var/log" say? |
| 12:22.10 | junii2 | 247M |
| 12:22.11 | liable | junii2: kde package manager is only a front end |
| 12:22.21 | junii2 | and I dont even want them logs either |
| 12:22.32 | azeem | junii2: that sounds big |
| 12:22.46 | junii2 | mmmh |
| 12:22.47 | azeem | junii2: probably one or two logfiles are huge, just delete those |
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| 12:22.55 | Qb3rt | i just installed x-window-system and xfce4 on my debian when i try to startx i have the following error Cannot open device /dev/input/mice i am using vmware with usb mouse... |
| 12:23.21 | azeem | Qb3rt: do you have the mousedev kernel module loaded? |
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| 12:23.38 | junii2 | messages.0 is 74M; whats that |
| 12:23.54 | junii2 | 74M kern.log |
| 12:23.55 | azeem | junii2: it's the lastly rotated messages |
| 12:23.59 | Qb3rt | azeem: ehh how do i find that? |
| 12:24.06 | azeem | Qb3rt: lsmod | grep mousedev |
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| 12:24.26 | azeem | junii2: tail -40 kern.log, does it print one line over and over again? |
| 12:24.40 | Qb3rt | aparently no! |
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| 12:25.09 | azeem | Qb3rt: then modprobe it and see whether /dev/input/mice has turned up |
| 12:25.49 | junii2 | azeem: nope. aswell as well as deleting these files now im going to need to stop them from getting so big again |
| 12:26.01 | azeem | junii2: right |
| 12:26.08 | azeem | junii2: well, the best way to do that is to research why |
| 12:26.21 | azeem | so maybe check for some recurring lines with less or so |
| 12:26.29 | junii2 | ok, im the meantime are you sure its say to rm |
| 12:26.32 | azeem | loading it in an editor might exhaust your memory |
| 12:26.38 | Qb3rt | azeem: ok now startx is working but the mouse is not moving!! |
| 12:26.53 | azeem | Qb3rt: probably you configured the wrong protocol then |
| 12:27.20 | trym|work | does anyone have an application for monitoring things like raid systems, ups etc through snmp ? |
| 12:27.26 | Qb3rt | azeem: ... ok and how can i fix this? |
| 12:27.29 | azeem | Qb3rt: if you did not choose any protocol, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg for testing/unstable) and choose one |
| 12:27.38 | fireba11 | trym|work: nagios ? |
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| 12:29.28 | sk4nK | the output from my current 'boot' process is at http://www.mypastebin.com/?code=1253903830 if anyone can give my any help? i'm running this on a remote maching without X, if that makes a differece. |
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| 12:29.43 | kwowt | Is it possible to reboot the system from boot: screen when my livecd is inserted? |
| 12:29.44 | trym|work | fireba11: havent touched nagios in a while.. it handles snmp fine ? |
| 12:30.16 | fireba11 | trym|work: think so .. am using it to poll services though |
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| 12:35.10 | Dantix | hi all, I testing a mimedefang based antispam tool (CanIT), this works processing messages about 30 seconds and sundenly hangs, at de console apeared ver much messages saying something like "kernel: __alloc_pages and start to die the box completely with a full using of HD. IÂīve resolved (read from a mailing-list) adding NOAPIC to grub, why? apic is related to power administration, why resolved an issue apparently related to HD? |
| 12:35.25 | papapep | Hi! does anybody know where to put the environment variables (i.e. JAVA_HOME) to make them work on gnome2??? What I put in /etc/profile doesn't seems to affect gnome2.... |
| 12:36.11 | Administrator_ | what package contains etc/environment ? dpkg -S shows no output |
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| 12:36.22 | Petrov_ | I have installed proftpd, but how I make groups and users? That's my code : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17331 |
| 12:37.37 | papapep | Administrator_: /etc/profile is a system file, its not in a package |
| 12:38.06 | wols | Dantix: APIC is a advanced programmable interrupt controller. what you mean is ACPI |
| 12:38.31 | Administrator_ | papapep, i said ' what package contains /etc/environment ? ' |
| 12:38.41 | fireba11 | Petrov_ normally proftpd is using system users |
| 12:38.53 | Myon | papapep: /etc/environment |
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| 12:39.45 | bris | Hi, |
| 12:39.54 | papapep | Administrator_: I'm very sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say to me.... |
| 12:40.44 | papapep | Myon: If you mean that what I put in /etc/environment will work for gnome2, it doesn work for me, I've already tried it.... |
| 12:40.48 | Administrator_ | papapep, you said: <papapep> Administrator_: /etc/profile is a system file, its not in a package. and I asked: and I asked: <Administrator_> what package contains etc/environment ? dpkg -S shows no output |
| 12:41.11 | papapep | ok, don't worry :-) |
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| 12:42.02 | Myon | Petrov_: adduser, addgroup |
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| 12:42.44 | Petrov_ | Myon: i do that, but i can't login |
| 12:42.45 | Dantix | wols: thanks, now all sounds much sense |
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| 12:42.56 | Myon | Petrov_: check the logs |
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| 12:43.28 | Administrator_ | what package contains /etc/environment? |
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| 12:43.34 | Myon | Administrator_: none |
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| 12:51.06 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 12:51.12 | dazjorz | Is there a Debian version just for laptops? |
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| 12:51.40 | Fox | dazjorz: no |
| 12:51.45 | dazjorz | Ok |
| 12:52.12 | dazjorz | Fox, are there ways to spare energy on Debian? |
| 12:52.36 | Fox | spare energy ? |
| 12:52.45 | dazjorz | Umm |
| 12:52.53 | dazjorz | So that the laptop uses less energy from the accu. |
| 12:53.02 | dazjorz | There are modes for that in several operating systems. |
| 12:53.38 | dazjorz | Save energy? |
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| 12:54.54 | Fox | yes you can save energy when using debian |
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| 12:55.07 | Fox | don't ask me how, I never used it :) |
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| 12:58.48 | dazjorz | Does anybody know how to save energy on a laptop with Debian? |
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| 12:59.25 | bk | sdgfsdg |
| 12:59.57 | McGee | Greetings |
| 12:59.58 | Barkley | please bear with me im sleep deprived and out of coffee Do you have to make the physical directory for the mount point before mounting? As in sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 -t ntfs -o umask=0222 <----- does /media/sdb1 have to already exist? |
| 13:00.09 | dusty-work | bk, from ptp? |
| 13:00.18 | azeem | Barkley: yes |
| 13:00.21 | wired_ | Barkley, yes |
| 13:00.26 | dazjorz | Barkley: Yup |
| 13:00.26 | dazjorz | :) |
| 13:00.33 | Barkley | 755 on the sdb1 directory? |
| 13:00.41 | dazjorz | Barkley: Just one hint, it should be empty |
| 13:00.51 | Fox | depends on what you want to do Barkley |
| 13:00.56 | azeem | it musn't be empty, AFAIK |
| 13:01.00 | Fox | 755 if you want :) |
| 13:01.03 | Barkley | just a lan share |
| 13:01.09 | azeem | you will just lose access to the underlying data if you mount something over it |
| 13:01.10 | Fox | it *should* be empty, not it *must* |
| 13:01.14 | dazjorz | Barkley: I once mounted to a directory I thought was empty. It toke me a while to get the files back... |
| 13:01.17 | McGee | Which aproach would you reccomend to tail -f multible logs in one shell? |
| 13:01.18 | superlinux | hello. I know this is sure of topic, but do you call the disco dancing shoe? |
| 13:01.27 | superlinux | hello. I know this is sure of topic, but what do you call the disco dancing shoe? |
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| 13:01.53 | dazjorz | superlinux: ? |
| 13:01.58 | dazjorz | Disco dancing shoe? |
| 13:01.58 | azeem | superlinux: at least don't repeat off-topic questions |
| 13:02.05 | Barkley | yeah i get the empty part....what i'm unclear about is using various gui tools to do this in solaris and linux...sometimes the mount points are created and not.....hence the question when trying to do this cmd line in deb |
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| 13:02.18 | MatBoy | What should be the best solution to share sessions on 2 loadbalanced servers ? |
| 13:02.24 | dazjorz | McGee: I'd use Perl :) |
| 13:02.25 | superlinux | yea just english I am asking nothing more |
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| 13:02.28 | Barkley | so if security isn't a concern just 777 it? |
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| 13:02.40 | Barkley | the empty dir for the mnt that is |
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| 13:03.01 | Fox | MatBoy: what kind of sessions ? php, ssh, etc... |
| 13:03.03 | dazjorz | MatBoy: You know - put the two servers in a room, bang them against each other untill they are one :) |
| 13:03.25 | MatBoy | Fox, php-sessions |
| 13:03.33 | Fox | MatBoy: try sharedance |
| 13:03.41 | dazjorz | MatBoy, PHP sucks. |
| 13:03.42 | dazjorz | :) |
| 13:03.47 | Fox | it was designed for that |
| 13:03.48 | HalloMoto | hi i've a motorola v1075 how can i use it in debian ? |
| 13:04.08 | Barkley | there we go...cripes on a popsicle stick :D |
| 13:04.13 | Barkley | thnx ppl |
| 13:04.26 | Fox | despite the fact that php sucks :) |
| 13:04.30 | dazjorz | Fox++ |
| 13:04.40 | dazjorz | =D =D |
| 13:04.48 | MatBoy | Fox, because I was thinking of 2 servers connected to a SCSI-SAN where both LB_servers were connection to... but this is too tricky I gues... because I'm also loadbalancing the SAN than :S |
| 13:05.24 | Fox | MatBoy: well, you could share php sessions using NFS as well |
| 13:05.58 | MatBoy | Fox, indeed, but NFS can be a bottleneck than.... if it goed down.. problem |
| 13:06.00 | Barkley | ah ok. so here's another question...do most people create target mount directories with other names then symlink them like cdrom and floppy are done so there's no confusion? |
| 13:06.19 | Fox | MatBoy: or rsync, using FAM to monitor inode changes |
| 13:06.38 | MatBoy | Fox, rsync wasn't ready for realtime wasn;t it ? |
| 13:07.32 | Fox | combining it with FAM might work quite well, even if I never tried |
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| 13:07.56 | Fox | but sharedance en FNS are faster for sure |
| 13:08.00 | Fox | s/FNS/NFS/ |
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| 13:08.37 | Barkley | vs. just mount to the device name and symlink to the girly name? |
| 13:08.50 | MatBoy | Fox, OK, thanks ! |
| 13:09.06 | HalloMoto | hi i've a motorola v1075 how can i use it in debian ? |
| 13:09.06 | MatBoy | Fox, that is cross-possible ? |
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| 13:09.18 | Fox | cross-possible ? |
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| 13:09.33 | dazjorz_eating | Matboy brb |
| 13:09.33 | kwowt | how do i add ssh into autorun after boot |
| 13:09.45 | azeem | kwowt: the ssh daemon? |
| 13:09.56 | kwowt | yes |
| 13:10.02 | azeem | just apt-get install it |
| 13:10.08 | kwowt | yes |
| 13:10.08 | azeem | it will get started automatically, AFAIK |
| 13:10.14 | kwowt | what about after i reboot |
| 13:10.18 | kwowt | starts automaticly? |
| 13:10.27 | azeem | check whether /etc/rc2.d/*ssh* exists |
| 13:10.36 | xored | where to find proftpd 1.3.0 in the portage ? |
| 13:10.37 | MatBoy | dazjorz_eating, have a nice dinner :) |
| 13:10.51 | xored | its should be unstable or backports, cant find it somehow |
| 13:10.55 | azeem | xored: this is #debian, there's no portage |
| 13:10.58 | markybob | xored, portage? is this #freebsd all of the sudden? |
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| 13:11.13 | xored | azeem: sorry, getting weared :) |
| 13:11.27 | xored | iam using gentoo as desktop, but this one is for my server, debain sarge stable |
| 13:11.29 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.40 | xored | azeem: mirror ? |
| 13:11.42 | xored | hmm |
| 13:11.53 | azeem | xored: well, that version is not in stable |
| 13:11.56 | markybob | azeem, stable only has 1.2 |
| 13:12.00 | markybob | xored, ^ |
| 13:12.07 | azeem | xored: what's wrong with 1.2.10-15sarge1? |
| 13:12.09 | xored | yes and i dont want this version :) |
| 13:12.13 | xored | cause its buggy |
| 13:12.23 | azeem | buggy? |
| 13:12.37 | xored | it has problems with connecting users, yeah i have asked in #proftd |
| 13:12.47 | markybob | xored, you really dont want proftpd at all. you want vsftpd but just dont know it yet |
| 13:12.47 | azeem | xored: is this a security issue? |
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| 13:12.51 | xored | sometimes the user fails login randomly |
| 13:13.06 | azeem | xored: well, there doesn't seem to be a backport either |
| 13:13.09 | wols | xored: and what version si free of that bug? |
| 13:13.24 | xored | wols: version si free ? |
| 13:13.25 | azeem | you can either backport it yourself, stay with 1.2, or change the ftpd |
| 13:13.32 | wols | is |
| 13:13.48 | xored | wols: 1.3.0 should recording to proftd |
| 13:13.57 | HalloMoto | hi i've a motorola v1075 how can i use it in debian ? (in order to save pictures and mp3 to/from the phone) |
| 13:14.10 | wols | thx |
| 13:14.11 | xored | markw_: vsftpd is ftp through ssh ? |
| 13:14.13 | markybob | xored, good enough for kernel.org, debian.org, openbsd.org, gnu.org. vsftpd http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ |
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| 13:15.03 | xored | markybob: hmm, looks like a good thing, my onlay thing is, it shoudl work with confixx |
| 13:15.19 | xored | markybob: my customers using confixx to manage there accoutns and things |
| 13:15.28 | xored | markybob: any experiences with that ? |
| 13:15.29 | abrotman | markybob: did i see you on a screenshot for some nifty email newsworthy thing? |
| 13:15.35 | cusco | dudes |
| 13:15.48 | markybob | abrotman, evolution installer for win32 |
| 13:15.50 | cusco | screensaver is not letting me in |
| 13:15.56 | abrotman | markybob: yeah .. that was it |
| 13:15.57 | cusco | its just black screen.. with the mouse pointer |
| 13:16.00 | markybob | xored, no, but i've heard it works with confixx 3.0+ |
| 13:16.02 | cusco | but isn't asking for password |
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| 13:16.08 | cusco | what process should I kill?! |
| 13:17.04 | markybob | abrotman, i need a job. hiring? ;) |
| 13:17.07 | cydork | cusco: ctrl+alt+backspace :) |
| 13:17.21 | abrotman | markybob: you don't live in philly .. and having your name on the evolution win32 installer should be like a complete resume :) |
| 13:17.39 | abrotman | markybob: and trust me .. you don't want to do what my company does :) |
| 13:17.48 | markybob | abrotman, heh |
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| 13:18.16 | xored | markybob: i have a quite old confixx. I mean, what confixx does is creating ftp users ( unix wise, not mysql), so it doesnt touches the FTP config in anyway ( just a few things) |
| 13:18.21 | HalloMoto | hi i've a motorola v1075 how can i use it in debian ? (in order to save pictures and mp3 to/from the phone) |
| 13:18.36 | xored | markybob: is it possible, letting vsftp using the unix users for login ? |
| 13:18.45 | markybob | xored, sure is. |
| 13:19.27 | fourat | !ati |
| 13:19.28 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
| 13:19.45 | abrotman | markybob: basically .. the majority of our work(i'm mostly the admin so i don't get too much of it) is a stack based RPN scripting language |
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| 13:20.02 | xored | markybob: i cant uninstall proftpd that easy, confix depends on it. How to force it ? |
| 13:20.04 | MatBoy | Fox, but NFS... much less secure ? |
| 13:20.29 | fireba11 | xored: if you install vsftp proftpx should get removed |
| 13:20.38 | markybob | xored, dpkg --force-all --purge proftpd ? |
| 13:20.54 | abrotman | markybob: imagine mixing perl and assembler .. throwing in RPN .. and taking out anything useful |
| 13:21.03 | fireba11 | xored confix should depend on one ftp package, not directly on proftpd |
| 13:21.11 | markybob | abrotman, you're right, i wouldnt want to work for you ;) |
| 13:21.22 | xored | markybob: ok the last thingy : should i use the current stable version, everything is fine with it ? |
| 13:21.30 | xored | fireba11: thank you |
| 13:21.40 | markybob | xored, afaik. that's what i use on my company server and it's been fine |
| 13:21.44 | abrotman | markybob: you wouldn't be working for me :) .. but yeah .. the language is pretty rough |
| 13:21.48 | xored | markybob: fine, thank you |
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| 13:22.59 | wols | what field needs a mix of perl and assembler? |
| 13:23.22 | Supaplex | perl6 hackers |
| 13:24.00 | moshii | wols control applications... |
| 13:24.03 | xored | markybob: 35MB ? what the ? :) |
| 13:24.31 | moshii | wols where you need to bit bang your random interface boards but want to script it nicely |
| 13:24.49 | Fox | MatBoy: not if you use NFS on a LAN |
| 13:24.52 | HalloMoto | hi i've a motorola v1075 how can i use it in debian ? (in order to save pictures and mp3 to/from the phone) |
| 13:24.58 | markybob | xored, what is? vsftpd in stable is 108.3KB |
| 13:25.05 | MatBoy | Fox, on a seperate LAN you mean ? |
| 13:25.11 | Fox | yes |
| 13:25.31 | Fox | going to have a cigaret, bbl |
| 13:25.52 | abrotman | wols: it's a custom language for one application for the financial industry .. really big firms(as well as smaller ones) use it |
| 13:26.01 | MatBoy | Fox, OK ! |
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| 13:26.04 | xored | sorry, my fault, wrong line |
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| 13:27.06 | xored | markybob: where to find a good documentation ? |
| 13:27.37 | markybob | xored, this was all i needed. do you need more help than it gives? http://vsftpd.beasts.org/vsftpd_conf.html |
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| 13:31.22 | xored | markybob: i would like to configure the passive Ports range, that it uses to a custom one, cause of firewall reasons. Do you know how ? |
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| 13:33.35 | markybob | xored, looked in /etc/vsftpd.conf? it's heavily commented |
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| 13:34.02 | Petrov_ | i will make a ftp-server. what's better? proftpd or vsftpd? |
| 13:34.06 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 13:34.24 | blondie | !ftp |
| 13:34.25 | dpkg | i guess ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 13:34.26 | Nei | pureftpd :> |
| 13:34.35 | markybob | xored, what you want is to set are pasv_min_port and pasv_max_port |
| 13:34.38 | ktwilight | is there a tool in debian that auto builds kernel off pc's hardware configuration? |
| 13:34.43 | xored | markybob: iam. Iam thrugh it, but this "local_enable" is a bit tricky, i dont wnat to have root logins or everythin else, just users form a specific group. any ideas ? |
| 13:34.52 | xored | thank you |
| 13:34.54 | markybob | xored, pasv_max_port â Specifies the highest possible port sent to the FTP clients for passive mode connections. This setting is used to limit the port range so that firewall rules are easier to create |
| 13:35.00 | markybob | xored, pasv_min_port â Specifies the lowest possible port sent to the FTP clients for passive mode connections. This setting is used to limit the port range so that firewall rules are easier to create. |
| 13:35.24 | TinoW | ftp is just so braindead ;) |
| 13:36.14 | TinoW | Petrov_: sure you really want a ftp server? ;) |
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| 13:36.56 | blondie | FTP servers have their uses.... for downloading stuff anonymously instead of HTTP :) |
| 13:37.20 | markybob | xored, this how-to tells you how to do the group of users instead of everyone. http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch15_:_Linux_FTP_Server_Setup |
| 13:37.23 | Petrov_ | TinoW: it is share for files with friends |
| 13:37.41 | TinoW | Petrov_: why not webdav? |
| 13:37.52 | aspect | can I tell apt to download (not install) a bunch of packages regardless of conflicts, so I can deal with installing later? |
| 13:38.03 | Petrov_ | TinoW: webdav? |
| 13:38.04 | xored | markybob: thank you al lot |
| 13:38.13 | markybob | xored, np |
| 13:38.26 | TinoW | Petrov_: yes, webdav |
| 13:38.51 | TinoW | Petrov_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webdav |
| 13:40.31 | faber3 | how do i do a "make bzimage" these days ? |
| 13:40.35 | Petrov_ | TinoW: thx |
| 13:40.42 | markybob | !make-kpkg |
| 13:40.42 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 13:40.53 | Ichigo | Hi guys |
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| 13:41.12 | TinoW | Kustom? |
| 13:41.24 | faber3 | markybob: i uses make-kpkg, but the resulting vmlinux was not recognized by grub nor by "file"... any ideas? |
| 13:41.29 | Ichigo | my system hangs out when it's getting to the Settinh up the CMOS clock ? |
| 13:41.41 | xored | markybob: tbh, i cant find it. Only readd access settings found, but not "login only for this group" |
| 13:41.50 | Ichigo | any Ideas ? |
| 13:41.51 | TinoW | faber3: dpkg -i yourkernelimage.deb |
| 13:42.10 | markybob | faber3, how'd you install the kernel? dpkg as tinow asked? |
| 13:42.15 | cydork | faber3 : make-kpkg creates a deb package |
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| 13:42.49 | faber3 | yes i did dpkg -i |
| 13:43.25 | faber3 | but even in the tree where make-kpgk build the kernel, the ./vmlinux was not recognized by "file" as a kernel, but rather as an ELF exe |
| 13:44.22 | cydork | faber3: does it boot?? |
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| 13:44.36 | faber3 | cydork: no. grub also does not recognize it |
| 13:44.53 | faber3 | cydork: Error 13: |
| 13:45.06 | markybob | faber3, i've never seen make-kpkg produce a bad deb. checked the bts? |
| 13:45.23 | moshii | faber3 did you run update-grub? |
| 13:45.30 | faber3 | moshii: yes |
| 13:45.39 | faber3 | markybob: the bts? |
| 13:45.40 | Ichigo | no |
| 13:45.48 | markybob | !bts |
| 13:45.48 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 13:45.55 | moshii | faber3 error 13 is no root or something isn't it? |
| 13:46.11 | faber3 | i must say its not the standard kernel. its the version xen source installed downloaded and patched for me. |
| 13:46.30 | moshii | faber3 did you build a standard or initrd/initramfs kernel? |
| 13:46.31 | faber3 | moshii: Error 13: is unrecognized execution format. it did not start booting the kernel |
| 13:46.53 | faber3 | i dont think its the make_kpkg fault. the vmlinux inside the tree already isnt recognized by "file" |
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| 13:47.27 | faber3 | moshii: i did not tell make_kpkg to build a initrd kernel... later i build an initrd by hand |
| 13:47.46 | cydork | faber3: try it with initrd then |
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| 13:48.21 | faber3 | cydork: about the initrd building process: i just do --initrd and it works just like that? i have yaird installed |
| 13:48.21 | greendash | faber3: I had that problem when I was following along with a xen tutorial. Turns out I had to take off the /boot part of the path in grub, since I had a /boot partition. |
| 13:48.28 | moshii | faber3 oh, interesting..there are prebuilt xen kernels in testing/unstable though |
| 13:49.05 | faber3 | moshii: i only found the ones in unstable... they are 2.0.7, i wanted 3.0, so i thought its easy .... |
| 13:49.27 | faber3 | moshii: and also: the debian xen kernel, is that a domain0 kernel ? |
| 13:49.50 | moshii | faber3 yaird is used as your mkinitramfs script and are called when you install the kernel to produce a initrd or initramfs |
| 13:49.54 | cydork | faber3: yep just have to do --initrd |
| 13:50.21 | moshii | faber3 not sure |
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| 13:50.54 | dazjorz | buying a laptop is a fucking pain in the ass >_< |
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| 13:51.19 | faber3 | this: linux-image-2.6.16-2-xen-686.... what is this? |
| 13:51.20 | markybob | dazjorz, dual-core turion is calling your name |
| 13:51.36 | dazjorz | markybob, no, 500 euros budget limit is calling my name :( |
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| 13:52.00 | vaggie | in which package is brctl? |
| 13:52.29 | moshii | dazjorz stay away from fujitsu siemens at all costs |
| 13:52.37 | TinoW | vaggie: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:53.05 | dazjorz | moshii: roger that :) |
| 13:53.11 | xored | markybob: server is somehow stucked, how to active debug output while starting to the console ? |
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| 13:53.25 | moshii | dazjorz thinkpads resemble tanks in both looks and build .. if you're not worried about looks they're good |
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| 13:54.11 | dazjorz | moshii: I don't worry about looks _much_ but I don't want to look like a total asshole while using the laptop |
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| 13:54.38 | dazjorz | I may use it in situations where others are watching, maybe much others, and I don't want to look like a complete idiot |
| 13:54.42 | N0S3 | TinoW: hello |
| 13:54.47 | faber3 | the xen kernel does not include a ramdisk... weird.... what do i do to use the xen stuff from debian? which kernel do i use for the domain0 ?` |
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| 13:54.53 | TinoW | hi N0S3 |
| 13:55.09 | markybob | xored, i dont know. you can set log_ftp_protocol in your conf to log everything. that's useful for debugging |
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| 13:55.24 | N0S3 | TinoW: http://packages.debian.org/ can connectors be used? which? |
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| 13:55.36 | moshii | dazjorz nah, they're not that bad. Um I bought my friend a 1.3ghz centrino thinkpad for about 400 quid about 9 months ago |
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| 13:55.49 | xored | markybob: did that alreay, my log is created, but empty |
| 13:56.01 | moshii | dazjorz should be able to find something similar for 500 euros |
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| 13:56.13 | xored | markybob: when the server starts, it looks like : |
| 13:56.14 | xored | ssh > vsftpd /var/log/vsftpd |
| 13:56.15 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.20 | greendash | faber3: are you certain your /boot/grub/menu.lst has the correct paths? Your error seems like it's possible that it's not. |
| 13:56.37 | xored | markybob: just a nre line, nothing more, the prozess is running according to ps |
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| 13:56.56 | dazjorz | moshii: I was looking on Dells' site, and found a great laptop within my limits - I wanted to buy it, untill I saw the send cost - it was almost 100 euros extra |
| 13:56.59 | xored | markybob: and ofc i cannot connect |
| 13:57.05 | markybob | xored, dont know. try asking in #vsftpd. there are some guys there |
| 13:57.10 | vanP3lt | hi to everybody |
| 13:57.46 | vanP3lt | does anybody know how to configure lircd to use irda0 |
| 13:58.08 | faber3 | greendash: well, i think it has. i did update-grub... but what do you say to the fact that "file" does not recognize this as a kernel |
| 13:58.22 | cydork | faber3: did you go through http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/320 ?? |
| 13:58.39 | moshii | dazjorz you be surprised at how good some of the deals in stores are, saw some really good prices in pccity in spain, shame they only have spanish keyboards |
| 13:59.14 | dazjorz | moshii: I think i'm going to the store sometime soon, just don't think they have good laptops in my price class :( |
| 13:59.43 | faber3 | cydork: no. this doc fails at the "apt-get install xen", because it cannot resolv all deps |
| 14:00.40 | greendash | faber3: hmm, didn't see the part about "file". I guess I say "good luck with that" :( |
| 14:01.06 | faber3 | greendash: well it does not boot... and grub finds the file, it just does not understand it |
| 14:01.27 | faber3 | there seems to be no documentation on how i can make use of the xen stuff which is in "unstable" |
| 14:01.37 | suppaman | can anyone tell me what package has the fixed font ? |
| 14:01.42 | suppaman | I'm not able to find it |
| 14:01.48 | greendash | faber3: what version of debian are you using? |
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| 14:01.59 | moshii | dazjorz get a cheap ibook from ebay and stick debian on it ;) |
| 14:02.21 | dazjorz | ibook? |
| 14:02.29 | dazjorz | ibook as in made by apple? |
| 14:02.30 | dazjorz | >_< |
| 14:02.39 | blondie | no, made by Dell |
| 14:02.39 | dazjorz | _bad_ ;) |
| 14:02.45 | dazjorz | Huh? |
| 14:02.51 | blondie | </sarcasm> |
| 14:02.55 | dazjorz | Ah. |
| 14:02.57 | dazjorz | Right. |
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| 14:03.03 | moshii | dazjorz crap os, but nice hardware |
| 14:03.55 | dazjorz | moshii: what's it like? |
| 14:04.06 | dazjorz | moshii: I never had any Apple product before |
| 14:04.21 | faber3 | greendash: "unstable" |
| 14:04.38 | moshii | dazjorz imagine an ipod with a bigger screen and keyboard I suppose |
| 14:04.57 | cydork | faber3: try this http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_xen_setup_debian_ubuntu |
| 14:05.10 | greendash | faber3: have you seen this article, uses Sid: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/396 |
| 14:05.16 | moshii | dazjorz a lot of people are ditching their PPC based macs for the intel stuff, time to pick up a good deal :) |
| 14:05.17 | faber3 | ubuntu again.. |
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| 14:06.00 | cydork | faber3: it has debian too :) |
| 14:06.24 | dazjorz | moshii: Yeah, I guess, but I'd rather stick to stuff I already trust, and that's not the powerpc |
| 14:06.25 | dazjorz | :) |
| 14:07.00 | dazjorz | moshii: I don't like to pay so much money for something like that, while I can spend it on something I _do_ trust |
| 14:07.27 | TinoW | dazjorz: whats not to trust on ppc? |
| 14:07.45 | moshii | dazjorz that's the thing, apple hardware is generally a lot better built than pc stuff |
| 14:07.46 | blondie | all macs have hardware devices in that Phone Home to Apple |
| 14:07.48 | dazjorz | TinoW: I dunno, I just never used it before |
| 14:07.53 | TinoW | dazjorz: PPC has never been cought doing wrong math - unlike intel |
| 14:08.13 | dazjorz | TinoW: Intel's doing wrong math? |
| 14:08.14 | wols | blondie: just wrap your mac in tinfoil |
| 14:08.21 | blondie | wols: I don't have one :D |
| 14:08.32 | TinoW | dazjorz: yes, some intel math processors did |
| 14:08.49 | wols | original pentium did |
| 14:08.50 | blondie | original Pentium wasn't it? |
| 14:08.59 | wols | all CPUs have errata |
| 14:09.07 | dazjorz | TinoW: Odd.. =/ |
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| 14:09.39 | moshii | Wasn't there one that would try a divide by zero? |
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| 14:09.54 | dazjorz | Lol |
| 14:10.27 | markybob | yes. "When your code tries to divide by zero, the PowerPC will ignore it and move on. The Intel processor will trigger an exception causing your program to crash" |
| 14:10.31 | wols | considering ths is an exception in all intel cpus since forever, I doubt it |
| 14:10.34 | faber3 | greendash: the doc looks good... now it wants to use mkinitrd, which i dont have here. what can i use instead? |
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| 14:11.00 | wols | markybob: and apple sees this as an advantage? |
| 14:11.17 | markybob | wols, i dont work for apple. you'd have to ask them. |
| 14:11.20 | moshii | wols I'm sure there was one that didn't throw the exception on a divide by zero, maybe it was a 8051 clone I used |
| 14:11.41 | wols | markybob: all I can say is: "what was IBM thinking?" |
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| 14:12.19 | vaggie | how do i unpack / mount a .iso? |
| 14:12.21 | greendash | faber3: somewhere on that page are comments that talk about using "update-initramfs" instead of mkinitrd |
| 14:12.39 | LinuxMafia | i installed openoffice but there is no language modules in it , spell check does not work at all |
| 14:12.44 | moshii | vaggie mount -o loop /path/file.iso /mountpoint |
| 14:13.02 | LinuxMafia | any one can help me with that? |
| 14:13.03 | markybob | intel core duo erratas...there's a lot. http://geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/bch20060123034350.htm |
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| 14:13.39 | vaggie | moshii: mount: unknown filesystem type 'iso9660' |
| 14:13.58 | junii2 | I cant get the sound to work. I have select the audio device on autodetect but no sound... |
| 14:14.15 | moshii | LinuxMafia openoffice uses aspell i think , you need to add dictionaries to whatever it uses as it's backend spellchecker |
| 14:14.33 | junii2 | When im booting I remember specifically seeing something about i810 audio though |
| 14:14.37 | moshii | vaggie modprobe iso9660 |
| 14:15.06 | LinuxMafia | moshii, i installed aspell , what else i have to do? |
| 14:15.10 | junii2 | what should I do now? |
| 14:15.57 | markybob | junii2, modprobe snd_pcm_oss and see if you can cat /dev/dsp as root? |
| 14:16.00 | moshii | LinuxMafia install the right dictionary, it should say "updating oo dictionary list" when you install it |
| 14:16.47 | junii2 | yep I can cat /dev/dsp |
| 14:17.02 | LinuxMafia | moshii, oh please can you tell me what dictionary package 's name start with? |
| 14:17.08 | infernix | anyone know of a traffic accounting tool that can work based on a SPAN port on a cisco switch? |
| 14:17.09 | markybob | junii2, then you have sound. now just add the users you want to have sound to the audio group. log them out and back in and they'll have sound |
| 14:17.42 | junii2 | well; junii is already in the audio group |
| 14:17.53 | moshii | LinuxMafia aspell-* mine is aspell-en |
| 14:18.01 | junii2 | and still when I go to test sound in control center I cant hear anything |
| 14:18.17 | markybob | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp with junii. work? |
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| 14:18.29 | moshii | junii2 have you unmuted the mixers? |
| 14:18.32 | LinuxMafia | moshii, oh i think i have it installed |
| 14:19.03 | junii2 | thT WORKED |
| 14:19.07 | markybob | junii2, log out of x and then back in now that the modules are loaded properly. |
| 14:19.08 | Abe | hmm, is it true that if I do apt-get -t testing some_pkg, then it'll pull necessary dependency from "testing" branch ONLY if the "stable" branch doesn't satisfy the dependency? |
| 14:19.10 | moshii | LinuxMafia you might have to select your spelling backend or something, I don't rember |
| 14:19.44 | junii2 | I still cant hear music with JuK or test with control center |
| 14:19.55 | LinuxMafia | moshii, i went to OO's help , in option language 's module i have nothing |
| 14:19.57 | markybob | junii2, fine. for the third time, log out |
| 14:20.13 | cydork | Abe: yes but you should have the repositories for testing. |
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| 14:20.59 | Abe | cydork, thanks. as I wanna try to install kernel 2.6.15 in parallel and it seems to pull another 10 packages. just wanna make sure it's "needed" :0 |
| 14:21.02 | Abe | oops ;) |
| 14:21.36 | junii2 | mmm, Ive restarted x and its still not working |
| 14:21.41 | cydork | Abe: you can also do that by apt_preferences |
| 14:22.23 | Abe | oh really? didn't see that in apt-howto though |
| 14:22.47 | Abe | must have over-looked it |
| 14:22.58 | junii2 | what do you think is wrong? |
| 14:23.28 | markybob | junii2, what error do you get from juk? |
| 14:23.44 | junii2 | non, just cant hear anything |
| 14:23.52 | markybob | junii2, and your mixer levels are up? |
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| 14:24.09 | wols | Abe: for kernels, it might be better to look elsewhere |
| 14:24.15 | wols | !sarge 2.6.15 |
| 14:24.16 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 14:24.17 | wols | for example |
| 14:24.20 | junii2 | on KMix; yes |
| 14:24.34 | wols | or backports.org |
| 14:25.13 | xored | is there a way to add to groups here : auth required pam_wheel.so trust group=g1,g2 ? |
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| 14:26.19 | Abe | wols, because 2.6.15 isn't really that "stable"? I'm actually interested in the ata passthrough which I guess is introduced in 2.6.15 for my sata drive though |
| 14:27.13 | dazjorz | gah. |
| 14:27.16 | dazjorz | i feel ill. |
| 14:27.19 | dazjorz | gonna get something to eat/drink |
| 14:27.21 | vanP3lt | why isnt it possible to get a little bit of support in this channel ? |
| 14:27.49 | markybob | vanP3lt, because people like you asking dumb questions like that |
| 14:28.10 | vanP3lt | oh no |
| 14:28.20 | vanP3lt | look at these guys at #freebsd |
| 14:28.34 | markybob | oh cry me a river. or just go to #freebsd yourself and stay there |
| 14:28.39 | vanP3lt | they give support at any time and are kinder than you are |
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| 14:29.16 | vanP3lt | shame on you |
| 14:29.19 | markybob | someone "insults" me and my volunteer work and yet i'm supposed to feel like helping them even more? vanp3lt, do you have any logic in that head of yours? |
| 14:29.56 | vanP3lt | no sorry my logic operator has some kind of problem |
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| 14:31.04 | blondie | vanP3lt: you can't go places and demand free support. |
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| 14:31.29 | keith80403 | vanP3lt, No idea about your particular question, but, did you find anything on Google? |
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| 14:32.17 | MatBoy | is sshfs fast ? |
| 14:32.25 | markybob | MatBoy, yes |
| 14:32.39 | vanP3lt | thanks thats the only response for about 2 years in this channel ! but the problem has been solved. Thanks @keith80403 |
| 14:32.44 | MatBoy | markw_, so, fast enought for session-handeling :) |
| 14:32.47 | MatBoy | -t |
| 14:33.29 | oxyz | Hello. Is it possible to get dual display in text mode without X-windows? |
| 14:33.32 | wols | Abe: cause those 10 programs contain libc6 from etch which makes your system a etch system, no more sarge in practice |
| 14:33.38 | markybob | we should all shed a tear and have a moment of silence for vanp3lt |
| 14:33.39 | MatBoy | markybob, oops, that line was for you :) |
| 14:33.41 | wols | well, it makes it a mix which is even worse |
| 14:33.58 | Abe | wols, ah, I'm not thinking if I should press yes to glibc.....haha |
| 14:34.09 | Abe | guess I should say no then :) thx wols |
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| 14:34.14 | Abe | will try backport |
| 14:34.19 | markybob | MatBoy, i've had nothing but great experiences with sshfs. you'll probably be fine |
| 14:35.28 | MatBoy | markybob, ok, thanks ! Do you have any idea to make 2 loadbalanced servers redundant to a sshfs mount ? or is this almost impossible ? |
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| 14:36.14 | keith80403 | vanP3lt, Ok, glad the problem is solved. |
| 14:36.22 | markybob | MatBoy, i dont. you could probably get some great ideas from the sshfs mailing list, though |
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| 14:37.01 | markybob | MatBoy, fuse-sshfs@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 14:37.25 | christor | someone know the command to sniff network with tcpdump with more info. In fact I have installed a https server , I want to check if my traffic is encrypted |
| 14:38.06 | MatBoy | markybob, thanks for the great info ! |
| 14:38.11 | markybob | MatBoy, np |
| 14:38.15 | MatBoy | I will check the lists ! |
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| 14:38.39 | markybob | christor, do you mean tcpdump -vvv ? |
| 14:39.01 | Fox | even add -XXX |
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| 14:41.56 | christor | markybob: it s ok it worked using -x -X -s 0 |
| 14:44.09 | Draghoulix | Ok, I have an old compaq PC, which I'd like to use as a mailserver. I've installed Debian, and all is well, except for my network conection. Lspci says I have a Realtek Semiconductor RTL-8029(AS), any ideas on what driver to load with modprobe? |
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| 14:45.25 | markybob | Draghoulix, maybe modprobe ne2k-pci ? |
| 14:45.40 | Draghoulix | markybob, thanks I'll try that |
| 14:46.24 | wols | ne2k-pci is right |
| 14:46.27 | TinoW | Draghoulix: apt-get install hotplug ;) |
| 14:46.32 | Draghoulix | markybob, ok the driver loads, how can I find out if the device is working? |
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| 14:46.41 | markybob | Draghoulix, ifconfig -a |
| 14:46.44 | Draghoulix | TinoW, no internet :-/ |
| 14:46.46 | wols | configure it. /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:47.02 | TinoW | Draghoulix: maybe its on your disk :-) |
| 14:47.09 | Bucciarati | aloha |
| 14:47.11 | Draghoulix | wols, nano -w /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 14:47.13 | Draghoulix | hello |
| 14:47.20 | Draghoulix | TinoW, I'll try it |
| 14:47.44 | Bucciarati | what files generated by pbuilder do i need for a source archive? |
| 14:48.34 | Draghoulix | wols, what should I put in teh /etc/network/interfaces file? It currently only says a loopback device calles lo |
| 14:48.41 | Draghoulix | called* |
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| 14:48.55 | Abe | wols, was just trying linux-image-2.6-686 from backport, but seems that it'll need to upgrade glibc also. then it's not sarge original glibc anyway isn't it? |
| 14:49.14 | markybob | Draghoulix, for example http://david.decotigny.free.fr/libre/ibook2-debian/etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:49.35 | markybob | Draghoulix, and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:49.50 | Draghoulix | markybob, I'll lok there, thanks lots |
| 14:50.26 | TinoW | Draghoulix: see also man interfaces |
| 14:51.11 | Draghoulix | TinoW, thanks ^^ |
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| 14:54.26 | wols | Abe: what glibc version do you have? |
| 14:54.37 | Draghoulix | Is there any way of useing the autoconfig ethernet tool again once you've already got a system ( I mean the tool debian setup uses ) |
| 14:54.44 | wols | Draghoulix: first "man interfaces" |
| 14:55.06 | Abe | wols, 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 |
| 14:55.14 | Draghoulix | wols, ok, I'll do that now |
| 14:55.17 | samuel | is there a page of exiting new software for linux?/ |
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| 14:56.07 | samuel | that sounded like a tv add right? |
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| 14:56.37 | dabreegster | samuel: Sourceforge, erm Debian Weekly News, happypenguin.org (for games) |
| 14:57.06 | samuel | thanks |
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| 15:03.59 | Abe | wols, oops sorry. I made a typo sarge-backport, missed an s. but now I've error of umet dependencies |
| 15:04.28 | Abe | linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 (= 2.6.16-13bpo1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:04.29 | Abe | E: Broken packages |
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| 15:05.20 | Abe | but maybe it's my config problem, let me check |
| 15:06.09 | stew | Abe: /msg dpkg stable 2.6.16 |
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| 15:08.10 | Abe | stew, sorry I don't understand what you mean by "dpkg stable 2.6.16"? |
| 15:08.19 | stew | !stable 2.6.16 |
| 15:08.20 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/instructions.html then "apt-get update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> |
| 15:08.51 | Abe | oh icic :) |
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| 15:09.50 | Abe | that's handy :) |
| 15:09.52 | abrotman | stew: can't you use the kernel-image-2.6-$arch ? |
| 15:10.09 | abrotman | (which depends on linux-image-2.6-$arch iirc) |
| 15:10.15 | stew | abrotman: dunno. probably |
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| 15:10.57 | Ab3l | hi, there's a way to use mobile phone umts's camera as a webcam (connecting the phone to pc through usb) ? |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | guess it really doesn't matter in the end |
| 15:11.30 | xored | is there any way to install confixx premium without isntalling proftpd ? iam using vsftpd.. |
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| 15:11.53 | azeem | xored: oh man, it depends on a particular ftp daemon? |
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| 15:12.27 | abrotman | wtf is confixx ? |
| 15:12.36 | suppaman | hi |
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| 15:13.00 | suppaman | what package does provide xorg fonts ? |
| 15:13.00 | kenshimura | e iniciado la X y ahora no se me mueve ni ahí el raton |
| 15:13.03 | abrotman | apt-cache --names-only search fonts |
| 15:13.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:13.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:13.15 | abrotman | i think? |
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| 15:13.42 | xored | azeem: no, it depends on protpd-indentd and the server itself |
| 15:13.46 | suppaman | abrotman: thx |
| 15:14.43 | Abe | hmm, followed the instructions and read <bpo> also, stilll "unmet dependencies" for linux-image-2.6-686 unfortunately |
| 15:14.44 | xored | azeem: is there a way letting him install it, without checking the deps ? |
| 15:14.44 | abrotman | paste the error |
| 15:14.44 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:14.44 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:14.44 | suppaman | I'd like to stop xfs and use local fonts in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | you mean .. stop using it altogether? |
| 15:15.09 | suppaman | abrotman: me ? |
| 15:15.15 | abrotman | yes |
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| 15:15.51 | kspath | !thx |
| 15:15.51 | dpkg | i guess thx is a convenient internet abbreviation for the general-purpose politeness word "thanks", to be used with caution around defenders of the sanctity of the English language. THX is also a certification programme for sound reproduction associated with George Lucas. |
| 15:16.10 | suppaman | abrotman: actually I've got xfs, this morning I installed libwxgtk and, don't ask me why, it upgraded some xserver-xorg related package. |
| 15:16.12 | azeem | xored: is this a Debian package? |
| 15:16.18 | suppaman | abrotman: now vncserver doesn't start anymore |
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| 15:16.43 | abrotman | suppaman: check to make sure your vnc config is reading the correct X config file |
| 15:16.46 | suppaman | abrotman: I get a Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 15:16.59 | suppaman | abrotman: xorg.xonf seems fine |
| 15:17.03 | suppaman | .conf sorry |
| 15:17.17 | abrotman | suppaman: yes .. but is your vnc conf reading xorg.conf or XF86Config-4 ? |
| 15:17.38 | xored | azeem: yes and no. Its an confixx package of my provider, with his license |
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| 15:18.32 | Barkley | disk strategy question. i have a cargo drive that gets mounted in fstab to /media/sdb1 i want to share the entire disk through samba. what do most people do? create a symlink in /export/sdb1 to /media/sdb1 then share /export/sdb1, or is there a better 'standard' way of doing this? |
| 15:19.02 | xored | azeem: so maybe just install proftpd and take it down manuall, that its not started, to trick out confixx ? |
| 15:19.13 | abrotman | what is confixx? |
| 15:19.37 | abrotman | http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/confixx/ |
| 15:19.38 | suppaman | abrotman: /etc/vnc.conf has got no xorg.conf nor XF86Config-4 |
| 15:19.50 | abrotman | suppaman: can you paste it some where? |
| 15:19.51 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:19.51 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 15:19.56 | suppaman | abrotman: sure |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | suppaman: and make sure xfonts-base is installed |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | suppaman: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-fdbbfad9b02233b11ba1572a631827697766afc4 |
| 15:20.44 | suppaman | abrotman: the point is vncserver has worked until this morning.. |
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| 15:20.58 | abrotman | and you only upgraded packages? |
| 15:20.58 | wols | abrotman: a webpanel thingamajig hosters afflict their customers with. poor beggars |
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| 15:21.15 | azeem | xored: what is the Depends line? |
| 15:21.17 | abrotman | wols: i have an ice pick we could use to "persuade" them |
| 15:21.22 | azeem | dpkg -s <package> | grep Depends |
| 15:21.22 | dpkg | Badgers ate my <package> | grep Depends! |
| 15:21.24 | badgers | dpkg: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 15:21.30 | amee2k | what happens if i mount a file system at a location that already contains files? |
| 15:21.32 | abrotman | wols: btw .. cyrus is certainly a pain :) |
| 15:21.34 | suppaman | abrotman: I installed libwxgtk2.6-dev, it upgraded a few xserver-xorg-something a now this font problem |
| 15:21.39 | xored | azeem : proftpd / proftpd-common / proftpd-ineted, rest is ok |
| 15:21.45 | xored | one second |
| 15:21.45 | abrotman | suppaman: look in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:21.57 | wols | abrotman: you're not my type. and I don't want to interrogate you, neither do I want to see what's between your legs. which reminds me: do you wear skirts? |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | suppaman: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-fdbbfad9b02233b11ba1572a631827697766afc4 .. read this |
| 15:22.06 | abrotman | wols: only umbrella hats |
| 15:22.08 | wols | it's email. what did you expect? |
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| 15:22.24 | xored | !paste |
| 15:22.25 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/ |
| 15:22.25 | abrotman | wols: courier is not nearly that much of a pain .. the entire process to get it working with postfix is .. crap :) |
| 15:22.39 | suppaman | abrotman: this is my vnc.conf |
| 15:22.41 | wols | abrotman: lmtp is neato. I like it |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | wols: i think i went with sockets .. single system store .. |
| 15:23.02 | wols | courier can do lmtp natively, postfix is a good lmtp client natively |
| 15:23.05 | xored | azeem: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3065 |
| 15:23.11 | wols | lmtp socket yes |
| 15:23.13 | abrotman | wols: the docs for doing lmtp .. were lacking |
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| 15:23.19 | abrotman | no .. i used a unix socket |
| 15:23.19 | wols | only debian itself there is a pain. postfix chroot |
| 15:23.38 | wols | socket named lmtp. of course unix socket :) |
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| 15:24.00 | abrotman | wols: in the /usr/share/doc/cyrus21-common/README.postfix.gz .. i used method #2 |
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| 15:24.35 | wols | there's a readme about this? I always had to google :( |
| 15:24.35 | bolrod | SELECT Client.clientno, Client.last_name, Client.first_name, Client.address, Client.city, SUM(Article.price * OrderSpecs.qty) AS omzet |
| 15:24.38 | bolrod | FROM ((Client LEFT OUTER JOIN Orders ON Client.clientno=Orders.clientno) LEFT JOIN OrderSpecs ON Orders.orderno = OrderSpecs.orderno ) LEFT JOIN Article ON Article.artno = OrderSpecs.artno |
| 15:24.42 | shaibn | Hi :) I just installed grub using apt-get install grub ; and I can't see the /boot/grub directory... what should I do? |
| 15:24.42 | bolrod | sorry |
| 15:24.44 | bolrod | WHERE Client.city = "Den Haag" |
| 15:24.46 | suppaman | abrotman: xfonts-base is already the newest version. |
| 15:24.47 | bolrod | shite |
| 15:24.51 | abrotman | wols: oddly enough .. they put them there |
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| 15:24.56 | abrotman | suppaman: read that URL .. it has a tip |
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| 15:25.13 | suppaman | abrotman: the wiki ? I just read it |
| 15:25.20 | xored | azeem: so ? |
| 15:25.26 | abrotman | suppaman: it actually says to remove xfonts-base .. which is weird |
| 15:25.41 | suppaman | remove ? I simply did an install |
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| 15:26.19 | Ab3l | hi, there's a way to use mobile phone umts's camera as a webcam (connecting the phone to pc through usb) ? |
| 15:27.12 | Abe | hmm, still getting unmet dependencies when installing linux-image-2.6-686. is there anyway I could know what dependencies is unmet? |
| 15:27.25 | Abe | apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev module-init-tools initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:27.43 | abrotman | did you paste the error? |
| 15:27.45 | suppaman | abrotman: removed and reinstalled and again Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 15:27.45 | xored | abrotman: could you help me with that ? installing a package with ignoring his deps or just install proftpd withour letting him deinstall vsftpd |
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| 15:29.01 | abrotman | suppaman: paste your vnc.conf somewhere |
| 15:29.20 | abrotman | xored: i'm sure there's a reason it's a depend |
| 15:29.27 | Abe | http://203.218.146.151:88/paste that's what I get |
| 15:29.29 | abrotman | xored: why not just use proftpd? |
| 15:29.31 | suppaman | abrotman: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BpSjNc22.html |
| 15:30.02 | xored | abrotman: it cuases login problems in the current stable debian version, according to #proftpd |
| 15:30.35 | abrotman | Abe: moment |
| 15:30.52 | abrotman | apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev module-init-tools initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 15:30.54 | abrotman | Abe: ^^ |
| 15:31.20 | abrotman | suppaman: everything is commented out |
| 15:31.42 | abrotman | xored: odd .. i use it .. works fine |
| 15:31.50 | michealp | Does Etch use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:31.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:31.56 | bigua | yes |
| 15:32.01 | Abe | abrotman, I've tried that also before ;) |
| 15:32.02 | abrotman | and it has a 2.4 in there somewhere too |
| 15:32.04 | Abe | but no hope |
| 15:32.08 | xored | abrotman: could you just help me with installing confixx that way i asked ? |
| 15:32.08 | abrotman | Abe: what's the error from that? |
| 15:32.16 | shaibn | anyone know? |
| 15:32.18 | cbeok | Is it possible to have a samba server on a window's AD enabled domain still serve files on a local network when connection to the PDC is severed? |
| 15:32.19 | Abe | abrotman, same |
| 15:32.19 | abrotman | xored: you're going to have to force-depends |
| 15:32.27 | abrotman | Abe: paste it again |
| 15:32.33 | Abe | oKtosiTe, sec |
| 15:32.37 | Abe | oops |
| 15:32.39 | xored | abrotman: i got 20 diffrent advises to use this and that ftp, no ftÃp, scp and things. I would like to us vsftpd |
| 15:32.41 | abrotman | cbeok: i think yes .. but ask #samba |
| 15:32.47 | xored | abrotman: how to do that ? |
| 15:32.50 | abrotman | xored: man dpkg |
| 15:32.53 | michealp | Does Etch use MySQL 5? |
| 15:32.56 | abrotman | xored: honestly ... proftpd isn't bad |
| 15:33.03 | abrotman | michealp: yes .. http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 15:33.26 | azeem | !equivs |
| 15:33.26 | dpkg | well, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 15:33.28 | azeem | xored: ^^ |
| 15:33.29 | michealp | abrotman: thanks, that's what I was looking for |
| 15:33.33 | Abe | abrotman, http://203.218.146.151:88/paste second section |
| 15:33.36 | abrotman | shaibn: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:33.38 | xored | abrotman: proftpd | proftpd-mysql | proftpd-pgsql | proftpd-ldap, proftpd-inetd ths are the packages to "force" |
| 15:33.50 | abrotman | xored: you force the install of confixx |
| 15:34.01 | xored | how ? |
| 15:34.03 | shaibn | abrotman, did you read my question? |
| 15:34.16 | suppaman | abrotman: I've added $XFConfigPath = "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"; |
| 15:34.20 | xored | i was always used to aptitude... abrotman |
| 15:34.32 | abrotman | Abe: that wasn't what i wrote |
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| 15:34.43 | suppaman | abrotman: you seems to be a lot wanted :-) |
| 15:34.44 | shaibn | abrotman, in particular the "I can't see the /boot/grub directory" ? |
| 15:34.50 | abrotman | shaibn: sorry .. thought it said /etc/grub/ :) |
| 15:34.52 | suppaman | abrotman: thx for your time, I've to go now |
| 15:34.56 | suppaman | bye |
| 15:35.03 | Fox | shaibn: grub-install ? |
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| 15:35.20 | abrotman | xored: read the aptitude man page to see how to pass dpkg options .. like -o or something |
| 15:35.24 | Abe | abrotman, oh, sorry. I didn't add 2.6.12 |
| 15:35.30 | abrotman | shaibn: update-grub .. is it there now? |
| 15:36.17 | Abe | abrotman, that seems working now, but it'll upgrade libc6 again. is it a must btw? |
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| 15:36.57 | Abe | abrotman, because wols mentioned that if I use "testing", glibc needs to be upgrade, making my system virtually "testing" nearly completely |
| 15:37.00 | abrotman | Abe: it might very well be .. i don't use the backports on sarge boxes |
| 15:37.12 | abrotman | Abe: well .. it won't be "stable" that's for sure :) |
| 15:37.32 | Abe | hmm, fair enough ;) |
| 15:37.55 | Abe | then I wonder what's the difference between backport and "testing" |
| 15:38.11 | Abe | or why I should choose one over another |
| 15:38.13 | stew | Abe: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:38.15 | xored | ssh > dpkg -i --force-all confixx-premium /etc |
| 15:38.16 | xored | dpkg: error processing confixx-premium (--install): |
| 15:38.16 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.26 | stew | Abe: becuase they are compiled against different librarires basically |
| 15:38.30 | simonrvn | um, file name, not package for dpkg |
| 15:38.36 | xored | why is he not trying to download ? abrotman |
| 15:38.45 | simonrvn | dpkg doesn't download |
| 15:38.54 | xored | how to download simonrvn ? |
| 15:39.00 | typewriter | a/j #pf |
| 15:39.04 | typewriter | err |
| 15:39.11 | xored | oh man, how i love emerge right now. |
| 15:39.14 | simonrvn | apt-get does, aptitude does ... |
| 15:39.17 | simonrvn | man apt |
| 15:39.18 | Abe | I see, that makes sense now :) the FAQ in backport isn't working :( |
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| 15:39.45 | Abe | xored, emerge in debian?? |
| 15:39.50 | stew | Abe: its a bad idea to install packages compiled for testing onto a stable system since the testing pacakges will depend on and be compiled against non-binary compatible versions of other libraries |
| 15:39.57 | xored | Abe: no gentoo |
| 15:40.02 | simonrvn | man dpkg; dpkg --help ; learn to use the tools then you won't have anything to complain about ;) |
| 15:40.13 | Abe | xored, haha, thought it's now in debian also!!!! |
| 15:40.53 | stew | !apt-gentoo |
| 15:40.54 | dpkg | apt-gentoo is a way of simulating the waste of time that is gentoo on your Debian system. Experience the thrill of compiling your own apps from source without actually bothering to compile them! Download it from http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~mma29/apt-gentoo/ Announcement at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/03/msg02502.html |
| 15:40.56 | Abe | stew, understand :) it makes perfect sense now for backport to exist, as it's sarge-backports which is aimed for sarge only |
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| 15:41.40 | Abe | what!!! apt-gentoo.... looks fun!! but guess I wont' use it in my little debian server |
| 15:41.43 | rhys | this is funny actually..i shifted to ham radio about yesterday, but right before then..i was like..hmm. the TFTP server cant find the file, and i told it to run securely. which means its chrooted into /var/tftpboot...whcih measn the path wouldnt be /var/tftpboot/pxelinux.0 but just pxelinux.0. so i cahnged it. didnt think much of it...:D this morning my computer booted over lan into the debian installer. |
| 15:42.17 | rhys | YAY for PIXIES! |
| 15:42.45 | xored | abrotman: E: Package confixx-premium has no installation candidate |
| 15:42.45 | xored | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.06 | Fox | there's no package called confixx-premium |
| 15:43.14 | stew | xored: the package doesn't exist |
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| 15:43.30 | Bacta | can i wash my wanky in ur sinky? |
| 15:43.35 | simonrvn | no |
| 15:43.40 | Bacta | can i wash my wanky in ur sinky? |
| 15:43.44 | stew | Bacta: stop |
| 15:43.48 | Bacta | never |
| 15:43.49 | Bacta | can i wash my wanky in ur sinky? |
| 15:43.50 | simonrvn | go away bot |
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| 15:44.03 | simonrvn | only a bot repeats obsessively ;) |
| 15:44.03 | xored | stew : aptitude shows it ? |
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| 15:44.22 | stew | xored: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy confixx-premium" |
| 15:44.26 | Fox | simonrvn: there are obsessiv people you know :) |
| 15:44.45 | simonrvn | yes yes, i was only kidding :) |
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| 15:45.15 | Fox | simonrvn: there are obsessiv people you know :) |
| 15:45.19 | Fox | ;) |
| 15:45.26 | simonrvn | oh no hehe |
| 15:46.09 | row | whats the max length of a linux username? |
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| 15:46.22 | row | if there is one |
| 15:46.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: !popcon ? |
| 15:47.06 | xored | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3067 |
| 15:47.06 | jelly-home | row: 8 is a safe bet, some programs don't handle more. |
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| 15:47.20 | kokkalis_ | What is going on with debian gui installer? |
| 15:47.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: for instance |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | kokkalis_: check debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. or look at wiki.debian.org |
| 15:47.50 | simonrvn | abrotman: for instance |
| 15:47.58 | row | jelly-home: its for hosting box so to be honest as very basic stuff work + proftp + apache it would be fine if it was longer but I will go for 8 at the moment ta |
| 15:47.58 | abrotman | so you said :) |
| 15:48.08 | stew | xored: so it shows up in aptitude becuase you have a package with that name installed, but the policy output indicuates that none of the mirrors in your sources.list offer such a package (there is no such package in debian, you must have installed it from some third-party) |
| 15:48.30 | stew | xored: actually i lied, you don't have it installed, but you once did |
| 15:48.33 | xored | stew: yeah its form my provides |
| 15:48.36 | stew | xored: its probably in the 'c' status |
| 15:48.38 | markybob | kokkalis_, The regular daily build images for i386 now include an option to boot the graphical installer. |
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| 15:49.13 | xored | stew: exactly it has a "c" status. i wnat to install it but it need proftpd, but i installed vsftpd and dont need to use proftd. How cn i force it ? |
| 15:49.14 | Ab3l | hi, there's a way to use mobile phone umts's camera as a webcam (connecting the phone to pc through usb) ? |
| 15:49.30 | Sonderblade | is it possible to get python 2.4 backported to stable? |
| 15:49.30 | stew | xored: you need to find a mirror that provides this package |
| 15:50.00 | stew | xored: c would be config files only, like you had it install and removed it but didn't purge it. i could be wrong about that though |
| 15:50.15 | xored | stew: i got one now, i just commented it out |
| 15:50.31 | stew | xored: if you want to use it, it needs to not be commented out? |
| 15:50.35 | xored | stew: it was an accident, when i installed vsftpd. he just deintalled confixx.. |
| 15:50.51 | xored | stew: yes, i just forgot about that, cause there server was down a while |
| 15:51.19 | xored | stew: but i still cannot download it ? |
| 15:51.27 | stew | xored: why can't you? |
| 15:51.31 | xored | stew: how to check, wheater its really there. |
| 15:51.36 | wols | Sonderblade: you looked on backports.org yet? |
| 15:51.38 | stew | xored: apt-cache policy |
| 15:51.53 | xored | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3068 |
| 15:51.54 | stew | xored: (after you run apt-get update) |
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| 15:52.07 | stew | xored: did you run apt-get update? |
| 15:52.26 | xored | yes |
| 15:52.26 | wols | xored: apt-cache search confixx |
| 15:52.29 | kokkalis_ | What is going on with gnu Hurd? |
| 15:52.30 | wdamn | Hi, which package to install for dig command ? |
| 15:52.42 | xored | no results wols |
| 15:52.50 | stew | wdamn: dnsutuils |
| 15:52.51 | Sonderblade | wols: yes, i couldn't find it |
| 15:52.59 | wdamn | stew: thanx |
| 15:53.05 | stew | xored: then you still haven't added a mirror which provides the package you are looking for |
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| 15:53.12 | suppaman | hello |
| 15:53.19 | suppaman | abrotman: I'm here again, for your pleasure :-) |
| 15:53.27 | wols | Sonderblade: then you need to compile on your own I guess. download sources from testing, get build deps and edit the /debian directory |
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| 15:54.08 | Sonderblade | wols: i also need lots of python2.4-modules backported :) not woth the effort i guess |
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| 15:54.18 | suppaman | how can I see if xfs is running with netstat |
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| 15:54.48 | wols | netstat -anp |grep xfs |
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| 15:54.50 | Ab3l | hi, there's a way to use mobile phone umts's camera as a webcam (connecting the phone to pc through usb) ? |
| 15:54.58 | arca | hi |
| 15:55.15 | hyph-n | ab3l: why not just buy a webcam? |
| 15:55.21 | hyph-n | hi all |
| 15:55.44 | Ab3l | hyph-n> i'm curious testing new ways to communicate! i've a webcam |
| 15:55.44 | hyph-n | got a question about partitioning and Software RAID 5... |
| 15:55.45 | Ab3l | ;) |
| 15:55.53 | Ab3l | i just wanna know if such a cool thing is possinle |
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| 15:56.04 | arca | does anyone know a sarge repository where i can find php4_dbase ? |
| 15:56.06 | hyph-n | Ab31: oic - sounds reasonable to me.. |
| 15:56.30 | suppaman | mm don't unix socket use port ? |
| 15:56.31 | Ab3l | and to me too but i dunno if there's an at command |
| 15:56.39 | Ab3l | the phone can use to control thy webcam |
| 15:57.03 | abrotman | suppaman: eh? |
| 15:57.07 | abrotman | suppaman: ps aux | grep xfs |
| 15:57.11 | hyph-n | i've got a 4 disk scsi system, that i want to setup as RAID 5... it doesn't support Hardware RAID, so Software is my only choice - i guess.. |
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| 15:57.24 | markybob | acra isnt that just php-db? |
| 15:57.35 | suppaman | abrotman: I cannot find what port is xfs running on in fs/config |
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| 15:58.24 | suppaman | abrotman: I'd like in order: to be sure xfs is running and it has got fonts, to be sure xorg is well configured, and to be sure vnc is well configured |
| 15:58.24 | hyph-n | anyone got any recommendations about RAID / partitioning....? |
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| 15:58.35 | suppaman | abrotman: until now xfs is running |
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| 15:59.08 | hyph-n | (is that a no?) ;-( |
| 15:59.33 | markybob | hyph-n, yes, read a how-to |
| 15:59.56 | hyph-n | ok - all that tells me is how to set it up.... which i can do... |
| 16:00.01 | markybob | hyph-n, http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_software_raid |
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| 16:01.04 | TARZEAU | what's 175cm in ' and " ? |
| 16:01.18 | hyph-n | markybob: ok - that is fine... RAID 1 is easy.. i want RAID 5... |
| 16:01.18 | blondie | divide by 2.54 |
| 16:01.29 | suppaman | what's ' ? A foot ? |
| 16:01.39 | blondie | yes... |
| 16:01.41 | hyph-n | and the problem with that is that (i think) the /boot can't be on that ...(?) |
| 16:01.44 | TARZEAU | blondie: thanks |
| 16:02.09 | blondie | it's "shorter than me" :D |
| 16:02.23 | stew | TARZEAU: http://google.com/search?q=175cm+in+inches |
| 16:02.32 | markybob | hyph-n, please go read. you have a choice to use RAID5 instead of RAID1. |
| 16:02.50 | markybob | hyph-n, google for another how-to if you dont like that one |
| 16:03.27 | suppaman | is there a way I can list xfs fonts without having a X running |
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| 16:03.44 | Serinity | 175cm / 5.74 feet |
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| 16:04.32 | suppaman | it seems to be a person's height |
| 16:05.47 | hyph-n | markybob: thanks.... just read it.... so, i guess i can have the /boot parition on a raid 5 then... |
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| 16:07.45 | hyph-n | markybob: there are some comments in that about a problem i had earlier... GRUB can't write to the HD during the install... |
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| 16:08.14 | Eulex | TARZEAU, 5 feet and 8.9 inches |
| 16:08.26 | TARZEAU | oh i see, thanks |
| 16:09.03 | suppaman | how can I see what port is xfs listening on ? |
| 16:09.22 | suppaman | I mean xfsinfo -server localhost:7100 says it cannot connect |
| 16:11.46 | suppaman | anyone ? |
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| 16:13.41 | itguru | is anyone else having problems joining sourceforge? |
| 16:14.01 | suppaman | there was no-listen=tcp in default config, now I can see the xfs font lists |
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| 16:17.38 | suppaman | I've added a FontPath "unix/localhost:7100" to xorg.conf |
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| 16:18.22 | suppaman | ok now it works |
| 16:18.23 | suppaman | yu-hu |
| 16:18.40 | suppaman | what directories should I define in FontPath in order to not use xfs ? |
| 16:19.12 | suppaman | my xorg.conf has default /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/font/* dirs but I see in debian fonts are in /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
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| 16:19.37 | tkup | in /etc/crontab, can MAILTO take more than one user/email address? |
| 16:19.45 | stew | suppaman: list the directories in /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
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| 16:22.36 | suppaman | stew: so do I have to change them by hand ? |
| 16:22.46 | hyph-n | markybob: http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1.html is a v.good guide.... :-) |
| 16:23.04 | suppaman | mm it seems I was still running X11R6 |
| 16:24.04 | stew | suppaman: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" *should* fix it for you (read "/msg dpkg xorgmd5" first) but there have been a bunch of reports lately from people that have had trouble with dpkg-reconfigure refusing to write a new xorg.conf |
| 16:25.01 | suppaman | stew: actually it is working, strangely I could not launch an x-terminal-emulator till I installed xterm with apt-get |
| 16:25.14 | suppaman | stew: but I've been using it on this box for years |
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| 16:27.07 | maxy | anyone knows where I can find a simple, initrd-free generic kernel .deb? |
| 16:27.49 | stew | maxy: i don't know if that is possible to be both generic and initrd free |
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| 16:28.40 | maxy | I see... this udev problem drives me mad... standard solution did not work... |
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| 16:29.06 | stew | maxy: what is the problem? what was the "standard solution"? |
| 16:29.55 | stew | maxy: what command had you run to get the "had been altered" error? |
| 16:30.17 | stew | maxy: and which initrd generator are you using? i assume its initramfs-tools |
| 16:30.19 | maxy | stew, upgrade of testing. It "waits" for the root filesystem to come up now for one minute, then dies. |
| 16:30.34 | maxy | it's a pretty fresh and standard installation of testing |
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| 16:31.19 | maxy | the "standard" solution (I googled) is to apt-get install udev under knoppix chroot |
| 16:31.42 | maxy | which did not help, so I look for a kernel so I can at least boot... |
| 16:31.45 | stew | maxy: try chrooting in, mount /proc ; mount /sys ; (mount /boot if that's a separate partition) and "apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.15-1-486" |
| 16:32.30 | maxy | ah, I could try to reinstall the kernel, not udev. Will try that |
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| 16:32.48 | stew | maxy: reinstalling will cause it to attempt to create a new initrd |
| 16:32.56 | maxy | however there are always some problems in the chroot. |
| 16:33.05 | stew | maxy: what problems? |
| 16:33.29 | stew | maxy: you might need to --bind mount /dev/ from outside the chroot to inside |
| 16:33.34 | maxy | like, /dev/null does not work, so the scripts do abbort |
| 16:33.56 | stew | maxy: "mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev" before you chroot |
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| 16:34.30 | maxy | ah, that might help, I'll try. Thanks! |
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| 16:40.23 | suppaman | bye thanks |
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| 16:59.52 | GoAuLd | When for Xgl o aiglx or something in debian? |
| 17:00.34 | stew | GoAuLd: xgl could possibly be uploaded to experimental sometime after 7.1 moves from experimental to unstable |
| 17:01.09 | stew | GoAuLd: packing xgl for debian is problematic since it hasn't yet been released by the xgl authors and it depends on beta versions of mesa and glitz (and which versions keep changing) |
| 17:01.43 | stew | GoAuLd: in other words, "don't hold your breath' |
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| 17:02.27 | GoAuLd | nice cut'n paste |
| 17:02.40 | stew | huh? |
| 17:03.15 | GoAuLd | i saw exact words somewhere on the web |
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| 17:03.46 | stew | GoAuLd: probably wiki.debian.org/Xgl or the entry in the debian xorg faq, both of which i authored |
| 17:04.07 | shaibn | hi :) after i upgraded to kernel 2.6.x and installed udev ... i can't seem to be able to keep the node i've created /dev/md1 after reboot. what should I do? |
| 17:04.13 | infernix | does anyone have experiences with Iomega REV (atapi or SATA) drives for backup? i'm looking for a replacement for my recently deceased Onstream ADR. are these REV drives seen as tapes? harddisks? writable CDs? |
| 17:04.15 | GoAuLd | good work then stew |
| 17:04.37 | stew | hah, now that i'm looking i see that i even said "don't hold your breath" :) |
| 17:04.48 | GoAuLd | yes |
| 17:04.52 | GoAuLd | xD |
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| 17:06.59 | andrownz | I can't find out why when untar'ing it doesn't preserve the same ownership! I've tried --same-owner, -ps, but it still act as if -o was given. anybody knows about tar and ownership ? |
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| 17:09.27 | asc | http://www.mirc.com |
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| 17:09.37 | blondie | what a retard! |
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| 17:10.17 | blondie | asc: GET OUT |
| 17:10.51 | stew | asc: please don't spam the channel. do you have any debian related questions? |
| 17:11.02 | infernix | andrownz: i do suppose you're root while extracting? |
| 17:11.15 | andrownz | infernix, in fact i've tried both |
| 17:11.21 | infernix | it doesnt work if you're not |
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| 17:12.19 | andrownz | files owner in .tbz2 file is uid=1000, but when tar -xjpvf as root, newly created files will have id=0 |
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| 17:18.27 | kreg_work | on a default debian install, what tells it to boot normally into runlevel 2? |
| 17:18.37 | kreg_work | grub? |
| 17:18.37 | stew | kreg_work: /etc/inittab |
| 17:19.00 | kreg_work | Stew can you pass a different runlevel from grub? |
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| 17:21.06 | shaibn | i tried to Populate /dev with static files on Debian but even then, after a reboot, the /dev/md* nodes don't exist, what can I do ? |
| 17:23.24 | stew | kreg_work: hmm, i'm not sure (other than single, which is runlevel 1) |
| 17:23.55 | orge | checking for GTHREAD... configure: error: Byzanz requires GThread-2.0 >= 2.6.0 and XDamage >= 1.0 to compile. |
| 17:24.02 | orge | how do i solve this? |
| 17:24.04 | orge | or get it? |
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| 17:24.46 | intelmanx86 | could anyone plz pm me, I need a favor ok |
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| 17:25.17 | stew | intelmanx86: your best bet is just to ask the question here as long as it's debian related |
| 17:25.44 | intelmanx86 | umm... general |
| 17:26.07 | kspath | umm this is #debian. |
| 17:26.18 | intelmanx86 | and? |
| 17:27.17 | stew | intelmanx86: please don't pm me. if you have a debian related question just ask. if its a general linux quesiton, ask ##linux |
| 17:27.25 | intelmanx86 | moved |
| 17:27.31 | shaibn | anyone? |
| 17:27.38 | intelmanx86 | general in computers general |
| 17:27.39 | intelmanx86 | yes |
| 17:27.55 | stew | intelmanx86: #hardware if its a hardware related question |
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| 17:27.59 | stew | shaibn: do you run udev? |
| 17:28.04 | intelmanx86 | not hardware |
| 17:28.04 | shaibn | yes. |
| 17:28.09 | intelmanx86 | security |
| 17:28.15 | shaibn | stew, yes. |
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| 17:29.04 | stew | shaibn: do they show up when you "modprobe md-mod" ? |
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| 17:29.16 | intelmanx86 | could anyone do |
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| 17:29.19 | stew | intelmanx86: #security |
| 17:29.24 | abrotman | intelmanx86: all on one line please |
| 17:29.31 | kdm_probleme | how do i check adsl's SNR in debian ? |
| 17:29.43 | duglas | I want my email system to look like this ... Fetchmail->Procmail->Mutt-msmtp ... How can I apt-get Mutt without the Exim4 pkgs as dependencys? |
| 17:29.46 | shaibn | stew, no "FATAL: Module md_mod not found" |
| 17:29.49 | intelmanx86 | nmap -sS -P0 -p 1-500 165.165.205.126 plz |
| 17:29.59 | stew | shaibn: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:30.25 | shaibn | stew, it is a kernel we use here in the office ... 2.6.14.2 |
| 17:30.37 | stew | shaibn: did you include raid support in the kernel? |
| 17:30.44 | abrotman | duglas: install mail-transport-agent and nullmailer |
| 17:30.55 | kdm_probleme | intelmanx86> why ? |
| 17:31.02 | shaibn | stew, let me have a second look .. but yes, basically. |
| 17:31.04 | intelmanx86 | testing iptables |
| 17:31.51 | intelmanx86 | did you do it? |
| 17:32.25 | shaibn | stew, yes. there is another raid working on this machine. |
| 17:32.33 | kdm_probleme | returned nothing till now |
| 17:32.35 | orge | how do you uncompress tar.bz2 again |
| 17:32.44 | abrotman | orge: man tar .. tar -jxf <file> |
| 17:32.49 | stew | shaibn: what version of udev? |
| 17:32.59 | stew | shaibn: wait there is another raid working but no /dev/md? |
| 17:33.21 | kdm_probleme | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.35 | intelmanx86 | kdm_probleme, with -sS ?? |
| 17:33.55 | kdm_probleme | i just pasted that string u gave |
| 17:34.05 | intelmanx86 | umm thanks pal |
| 17:34.12 | shaibn | stew, there is /dev/md0 and nothing else... i can seem to get /dev/md1 to stick using mknod ... for example. |
| 17:34.36 | shaibn | stew, i'm not sure how to check the udev version, but i'm installed it a few hours ago.. so it can't be that old... |
| 17:34.41 | stew | shaibn: you shouldn't be using mknod if you use udev |
| 17:34.46 | kdm_probleme | Interesting ports on dsl-165-205-126.telkomadsl.co.za (165.165.205.126): | Not shown: 498 filtered ports | PORT STATE SERVICE | 25/tcp open smtp | 80/tcp open http |
| 17:35.09 | shaibn | stew, i was just saying... that since udev didn't create it, i tried to manually do it, it worked but doesn't stick after a reboot. |
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| 17:35.28 | stew | shaibn: right, beucase you are creating it in a temporary directory |
| 17:35.32 | stew | shaibn: what version of udev? |
| 17:35.49 | stew | shaibn: if its really brand new, its not supposed to work with 2.6.14 |
| 17:35.50 | shaibn | stew, like i said... i don't know how to check the ver. |
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| 17:36.02 | stew | !wikifaq shaibn PackageManagement |
| 17:36.03 | dpkg | shaibn: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:36.29 | stew | shaibn: what version of debian do you run? |
| 17:36.38 | kdm_probleme | how do i check adsl's SNR in debian ? |
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| 17:36.59 | shaibn | stew, 0.056-3 |
| 17:37.06 | kdm_probleme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:37.29 | stew | shaibn: ok, that's not the problem then |
| 17:37.37 | shaibn | stew, it is an unstable version ... |
| 17:37.47 | stew | shaibn: no its not |
| 17:37.51 | orge | !pastebin |
| 17:37.51 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:37.54 | intelmanx86 | kdm_probleme, what? |
| 17:38.07 | stew | shaibn: wait, if you are running unstable you should be on a newer kernel and udev 0.93 |
| 17:38.08 | shaibn | stew, sarge ... but version? |
| 17:38.09 | kdm_probleme | u know how to check DSL snr in debian ? |
| 17:38.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:38.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:38.30 | stew | !tell kdm_probleme about repeat |
| 17:38.30 | kdm_probleme | (it would be ease with router but i've an usb modem) |
| 17:38.41 | orge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3069 |
| 17:38.43 | stew | shaibn: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 17:38.51 | orge | anyone know how to solve this? |
| 17:39.00 | shaibn | stew, 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 17:39.12 | orge | or where do i find PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 17:39.36 | kdm_probleme | stew i just repeated for intelmax86 to find what i was refferring to ;=) |
| 17:39.50 | shaibn | stew, like i said before, i've upgraded my kernel from 2.4.x to 2.6.x a few hours ago. |
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| 17:40.19 | surfdue | hello |
| 17:40.19 | Pragmatic | NFS 4 only needs one port open for clients to connect, doesn't it? |
| 17:40.24 | surfdue | how can I install exim4 as exim ? |
| 17:40.28 | stew | shaibn: and when you manually create md1 are you able to successfully use it? |
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| 17:40.37 | shaibn | stew, correct. |
| 17:41.19 | shaibn | stew, that said... /dev/md0 is just fine after reboot. |
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| 17:42.32 | orge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3069, anyone know how to find PKG_CONFIG_PATH ? |
| 17:42.40 | k-god | rhalff_: abacus! |
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| 17:44.41 | k-god | rhalff_: a baseline tried-and-true computing device. Not an entirely serious answer. |
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| 17:44.58 | jade | folks what set of conditions makes sense to check for low system memory? MemFree, for example may show only 8K, but it is not a good representation of free memory. http://channels.debian.net/paste/3070 |
| 17:45.07 | k-god | s/Not an entirely /An entirely un-/ |
| 17:45.11 | rhalff | k-god, hm, ok thanks |
| 17:45.39 | k-god | jade: Lots of paging in and out. iostat / vmstat, run iteratively (eg: iostat 4 / vmstat 4). |
| 17:46.29 | stew | jade: you need to subtrace the "cached" to get a more accurate picture, or read the "+/- buffers/cached" line from "free" |
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| 17:47.34 | shaibn | stew, any other thoughts? |
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| 17:48.18 | stew | shaibn: no, sorry |
| 17:48.30 | shaibn | oh :( |
| 17:48.33 | jade | stew, is there a threshold number for "+/- buffers/cached" line that i can check that would tell me? |
| 17:49.02 | rhalff | k-god, that's called denial :) |
| 17:49.20 | abrotman | orge: just a hunch .. you need the -dev package |
| 17:49.27 | stew | jade: tell you what exactly? |
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| 17:50.13 | skybox | anyone know a way either command line/or gui that let's you burn a dual layer disc with a dual layer break? |
| 17:50.20 | jade | stew, if the system memory is exhausted, and apps will not function (e.g. daemons like mysqld will begin to crash) |
| 17:51.08 | stew | jade: oh that's different, that would happen when you run out of swap |
| 17:51.25 | stew | jade: so look at the free column in the Swap line |
| 17:52.03 | stew | jade: (or the SwapFree line in /proc/meminfo) |
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| 17:52.38 | jade | stew, OK thanks |
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| 17:53.45 | surfdue | how can I force removal of a package |
| 17:53.48 | surfdue | and not its depencies |
| 17:54.00 | wols | dpkg can do it |
| 17:54.18 | Supaplex | !say I sure can! |
| 17:54.18 | dpkg | I sure can! |
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| 17:55.02 | k-god | surfdue: Um. Don't do that. |
| 17:55.13 | stew | surfdue: you can but it will only be temporary, dpkg/apt-get/aptitude will continue to complain about the missing dependencies until you actually fix it |
| 17:55.16 | k-god | surfdue: /msg dpkg equivs, however, if you must. |
| 17:55.34 | stew | surfdue: are you doing this very temporarily, or are you looking for a permanant solution? |
| 17:56.48 | k-god | surfdue: If you're doing something like installing a non-debian supplied MTA, this is OK. If you're trying to force something off your system, it's a really bad idea. equivs can be used to fake/replace package relationships. Unless you know what you're doing and why, and the consequences, I'd strongly recommend against this. |
| 17:56.53 | abrotman | wols: you can use groups .. right? .. like system groups to control access? |
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| 17:57.11 | abrotman | (since it doesn't seem to work for me...) |
| 17:57.41 | kreg_work | i'm really confused by debians sysv. i used sysvconfig and portmap is not checked, yet it still starts at boot time |
| 17:57.56 | wols | cyrus user system != system user |
| 17:58.01 | k-god | kreg_work: Got NFS? |
| 17:58.05 | kreg_work | no |
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| 17:58.19 | surfdue | k-god, sorry i did it. im reinstalling it |
| 17:58.20 | surfdue | lol |
| 17:59.49 | Pragmatic | Is there a more appropriate place to ask about NFS? |
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| 18:00.35 | k-god | Pragmatic: Purgatory? |
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| 18:01.02 | abrotman | wols: does that mean i can't use groups at all ? |
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| 18:01.28 | abrotman | wols: i thought i read that you could use groups(system groups) .. but i couldn't make it work |
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| 18:01.48 | kreg_work | k-god, portmap shows unchecked in sysvconfig. however /etc/rcS.d/ still shows an S |
| 18:01.59 | kreg_work | etc/rc2.d/ shows a K |
| 18:02.45 | k-god | kreg_work: Can't say I'm familiar with sysvconfig. I use update-rc.d m'self. |
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| 18:03.10 | k-god | kreg_work: Experience would seem to show it's either not reliable or not being used correctly. |
| 18:03.58 | kreg_work | k-god, ok, sounds like update-rc.d is like fedora's chkconfig? do i do something like "update-rc.d portmap off" ? |
| 18:04.04 | jade | why is memfree reported low (~8K, from 8GB Memtotal), even when the bare minimum processes are running ? |
| 18:04.04 | Pragmatic | k-god: What network is that on? |
| 18:04.14 | k-god | kreg_work: man update-rc.d ;-) |
| 18:04.20 | k-god | Pragmatic: MSN, natch. |
| 18:04.30 | k-god | Pragmatic: Just ask. |
| 18:04.38 | k-god | !tell Pragmatic about ask |
| 18:04.40 | stew | jade: its being used for disk cache (that's what the cached part is) |
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| 18:04.58 | Pragmatic | !tell jade about mem |
| 18:05.04 | stew | jade: linux figures it might as well put the unused memory to use speeding up your system. it will be reclaimed the instant its needed by applications |
| 18:05.12 | kreg_work | i looked at the man page, but it focuses on removing and adding scripts. i don't want to do that. just want to set K's or something globally |
| 18:05.13 | Pragmatic | Wait. |
| 18:05.21 | jade | good, thanks. |
| 18:05.26 | Pragmatic | That is not the correct... Where is that. |
| 18:05.30 | kreg_work | k-god, i think, i'm not really sure what it is i want maybe |
| 18:06.08 | k-god | kreg_work: Always a possibility. Increases odds of satisfaction or dissatisfaction modulo your pickiness. |
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| 18:08.02 | Pragmatic | Well... I've got a server that does NFS4, and all the clients that could ever connect to it do NFS4 as well... Is there a way to close down all the ports that, as far as I can figure, are only used for previous NFS versions? |
| 18:08.16 | Pragmatic | They're security risks, aren't they? |
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| 18:11.07 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 18:11.20 | mateuszk | Where I can get help for NetworkManager ? |
| 18:11.24 | mateuszk | in realtime ? |
| 18:12.11 | iarenaza | mateuszk what is NetworkManager? A debian package? |
| 18:12.19 | mateuszk | iarenaza, yes |
| 18:12.39 | iarenaza | mateuszk yup, didn't know it |
| 18:13.04 | mateuszk | for desktop |
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| 18:13.40 | iarenaza | never used it |
| 18:13.43 | lepton | NetworkManager provides "Pain-Free networking." you don't need help. :-) |
| 18:14.33 | lepton | mateuszk: have you asked in #gnome ? |
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| 18:14.56 | mateuszk | lepton, I aleady found channal but no one is responding. |
| 18:15.04 | mateuszk | lepton, i'll wait.. |
| 18:15.15 | mateuszk | lepton, the thing is that I got my wireless working |
| 18:15.20 | mateuszk | lepton, it see hiden AP |
| 18:15.32 | mateuszk | lepton, but I dont know how to supply WPA-PSK |
| 18:15.51 | Pragmatic | The clients use AUTH_SYS, if that's any help. |
| 18:17.28 | skybox | it's seems IMPOSSIBLE to burn a dual layer disc - with dual layer break in LINUX... *"*# |
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| 18:21.30 | kreg_work | cant one use update-rc.d to leave the scripts in place, but just tell portmap to rename to K everywhere instead? |
| 18:21.56 | kreg_work | or something normal like that. all the googles and man pages say update-rc.d "removes" scripts |
| 18:22.01 | kreg_work | do i really want to remove a script? |
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| 18:24.38 | zinx | skybox: what is dual layer break? |
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| 18:25.06 | skybox | zinx, it's where the dvd reads the next layer |
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| 18:25.14 | Hoxzer | does debian contain ÃĄny network configuration tool? |
| 18:25.28 | kreg_work | for example. if i do "update-rc.d -f portmap remove" now i have to reinstall portmap if i ever want to turn it back on |
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| 18:28.05 | Hoxzer | guys? |
| 18:28.08 | Hoxzer | :E |
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| 18:35.08 | jeward | Where would I go for help with thuderbird/enigmail? |
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| 18:36.12 | broadcaster | what happens if i copy a file containing a filesystem to a sparse file with dd? |
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| 18:37.05 | Zoiah | Does the kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 of Debian Sarge get security updates? |
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| 18:37.21 | stew | Hoxzer: etherconf |
| 18:37.26 | Zoiah | I just found a kernel expoit on a fully updated customers box and if I run it myself as a user, I get root on the box. |
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| 18:37.57 | stew | Zoiah: it was replaced by 2.6.8-2 then by 2.6.8-3 which is the current version |
| 18:38.15 | stew | Zoiah: please upgrade to 2.6.8-3 and see if you can still produce it |
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| 18:38.30 | Zoiah | stew: 'apt-get upgrade' does not upgrade my box to -3 |
| 18:38.36 | stew | Zoiah: in face, when sarge released it released with 2.6.8-2 not with 2.6.8-1 |
| 18:38.37 | madclicker | is there a way to see who was downloading a specific file from my emaule client? |
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| 18:38.54 | Barkley | !lvm |
| 18:38.55 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 18:39.07 | Barkley | !lvm_tutorial |
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| 18:39.07 | dpkg | methinks lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 18:39.17 | Zoiah | stew: I installed the box from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 18:39.18 | stew | Zoiah: yes, becuase its not a newer version of an old package but a new package. /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kerenl |
| 18:39.37 | stew | Zoiah: then you'd have 2.6.8-2 not not 2.6.8-1 |
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| 18:40.05 | stew | hmm actually i don't remember if it had 2.6.8-2 or -3, but -1 was never in stable |
| 18:40.22 | Zoiah | stew: I'll download again and double-check. |
| 18:40.30 | stew | Zoiah: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:40.31 | Oins | Hi, can anyone help me with iptables. I want to forward Port 50500 to 80 and use the following rules: http://phpfi.com/128338 . Now i can reach the apache from local but not from outside. What's wrong? |
| 18:40.37 | Zoiah | stew: 2.6.8-1-386 |
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| 18:40.49 | stew | Zoiah: you didn't install that kernel from that cd |
| 18:40.56 | Zoiah | stew: I'll doublecheck then. |
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| 18:41.32 | stew | Zoiah: 2.6.8-1 was a sarge kernel from before sarge was frozen while it was still testing (1.5 years ago or so) |
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| 18:47.04 | danilom | how can i know the ip address of a samba machine in the network im using gnome in debian sarge |
| 18:47.15 | wols | abrotman: the user auth system of cyrus is totally independent from system or anything else by default |
| 18:47.22 | abrotman | so no groups? |
| 18:47.30 | wols | cyrus has groups, just like users. but nothing to do with system |
| 18:47.41 | wols | ldap connectors exist. dunno about anything else |
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| 18:48.11 | wols | but I never looked to much into that |
| 18:48.23 | wols | so I might be wrong. I just know it can deal with groups |
| 18:49.04 | Alam_Debian | is there a HOWTO to make a samba server be a domain master and how to manage it? |
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| 18:49.41 | wols | seems it can use /system groups, so I was wrong. but as I said: never looked into it |
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| 18:50.09 | linux4 | anyone know what font the debian logo text is? |
| 18:50.09 | danilom | Alam_Debian in the docs samba.org or read using-samba |
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| 18:54.45 | Barkley | is there a gui tool for creating and managing LVM disk vols/groups? |
| 18:55.46 | zinx | linux4: PopplLaudatio Condensed |
| 18:56.08 | linux4 | zinx, let me guess. its not free? |
| 18:57.08 | zinx | linux4: you guessed it. |
| 18:57.17 | zinx | ironic, isn't it? |
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| 19:00.12 | zinx | linux4: if you're searching, you may have better luck searching for Poppl Laudatio Condensed |
| 19:00.36 | linux4 | zinx, o. thanks |
| 19:00.59 | zinx | unfortunate that it's a non-free font |
| 19:01.10 | zinx | maybe this should be brought up on debian-legal :D |
| 19:01.39 | stew | the logo was created with illustrator or something |
| 19:02.08 | stew | i'd certainly search the archives first, i'll bet its been beaten to death on -legal before |
| 19:02.34 | zinx | stew: i don't see it anywhere |
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| 19:04.18 | zinx | which is sort of surprising |
| 19:04.24 | zinx | considering everything *else* has been beaten to death. |
| 19:04.37 | stew | yeah :) |
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| 19:05.33 | worstenboy | hi, i've just made an find command where i want to use exec, {} stands for the filename, but how can i pass the directry the file is in ? |
| 19:05.56 | stew | worstenboy: $(dirname {}) |
| 19:05.58 | Zoiah | stew: strange, I guess there is indeed something wrong with my cdimages. I just downloaded a clean one, install it in vmware and got a proper -2. Sorry to bother you. :) |
| 19:06.25 | worstenboy | thnx stew i that was what i searched for |
| 19:06.47 | stew | Zoiah: no problem. you want -3 (/msg dpkg security) please double check that your vulnerability is no longer present in -3 |
| 19:07.15 | Zoiah | stew: shouldn't -2 also be not vulnerable? |
| 19:07.41 | stew | Zoiah: depends, -3 was released to fix some vulnerabilities in -2 |
| 19:07.52 | stew | Zoiah: and inevitably others exist in -3 |
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| 19:07.59 | Zoiah | stew: why wasn't that released as an update to -2? |
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| 19:09.54 | stew | Zoiah: i'm not sure what the exact logic is to never doing that with released kernels, but i'd guess it has to do with it being too easy to make machines unbootable if they get an upgrade and need other modules to be recompiled at the same time |
| 19:10.48 | worstenboy | if i do -exec echo $(dirname '{}') \; i get . |
| 19:11.04 | softnet_ | hi all |
| 19:11.29 | worstenboy | but if i do -exec dirname '{}' \; i get the correct dirs :s |
| 19:11.45 | jsmidt | hi softnet_ |
| 19:12.09 | stew | worstenboy: -exec echo $(dirname {}) \; |
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| 19:12.32 | worstenboy | stew that just gives me . |
| 19:12.35 | stew | hmm |
| 19:12.50 | worstenboy | indeed strange it is |
| 19:13.24 | stew | worstenboy: ask #bash |
| 19:13.28 | worstenboy | ty |
| 19:14.10 | softnet_ | For administering a bunch of workstations, i want to do this: Create meta-packages wich would serve to download necessary software for our network (such as openafs, kerberos, etc..), then install our own configuration files for that software. 2) Make my own repository with wich the workstations will keep in sync. |
| 19:14.22 | stew | worstenboy: i'd probably just use a while loop: find | while read filename ; do dir=$(dirname $filename) ; .... ; done |
| 19:14.33 | worstenboy | hmm |
| 19:14.34 | worstenboy | true |
| 19:14.46 | softnet_ | Whenever i want to change a configuration file in all workstations, i would upgrade the corresponding deb package.. |
| 19:16.43 | softnet_ | but im not sure about how im going to do all that.I've read some howtos on package building, but i still need information on how to use packages to distribute configuration files |
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| 19:16.50 | softnet_ | Suppose i want to install kerberos, but with my own configuration files.How should i tamper with the official package of kerberos? |
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| 19:17.06 | SlackRat | arg!! |
| 19:17.14 | dondelelcaro | softnet_: you don't need to; just modify the configuration files. |
| 19:17.34 | softnet_ | dondelelcaro, read above |
| 19:17.59 | softnet_ | i need to do this globally on a network |
| 19:17.59 | dondelelcaro | softnet_: if you want to distribute configuration files using packages, then you'll either have to modify the packages themselves to have the proper configuration files, or divert away the configuration files in your custom package. |
| 19:18.11 | stew | softnet_: apt-get source kerberos, edit the package, "dch --nmu" and create a changelog entry, then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" |
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| 19:18.45 | softnet_ | you all suggest i change the configuration files inside the official package. |
| 19:19.04 | dondelelcaro | softnet_: that's one way |
| 19:19.10 | junix|work | where can i get help for reiserfs? |
| 19:19.44 | softnet_ | I was thinking of it this way: Make a package that depends on the latest version of kerberos, and wich installs my own configuration files |
| 19:20.15 | softnet_ | overriding the officials. |
| 19:20.26 | SlackRat | every time i install after putting in a new monitor and nvidia card, it becomes impossible to start x |
| 19:20.30 | dondelelcaro | softnet_: you can do that too, you'll just have to divert away the configuration files in the official package, or install them using ucf or similar without diversion. |
| 19:20.48 | SlackRat | and says no core pointer, altho its regular mouse that auto should find |
| 19:21.09 | softnet_ | ucf? |
| 19:21.15 | softnet_ | divert? :) |
| 19:21.25 | stew | softnet_: "modprobe mousedev" and add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 19:21.25 | dondelelcaro | softnet_: apt-cache show ucf; man dpkg-divert; |
| 19:21.42 | softnet_ | stew, @ slackrat :) |
| 19:21.55 | SlackRat | are the warnings issued by xorg after xorgconfig reliable guidelines? |
| 19:21.57 | stew | SlackRat: "modprobe mousedev" and add mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 19:22.35 | SlackRat | <makes a note> thanks...is this a normal problem? i didnt replace the mouse... |
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| 19:23.17 | stew | SlackRat: yes, its common. i believe that hotplug used to load mousedev for you but some versions of udev (which replaces hotplug in testing) doesn't |
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| 19:23.33 | stew | or something like that |
| 19:23.49 | SlackRat | but theres the (EE) warning.....whew, glad to hear its common...for my sanity at least |
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| 19:24.45 | SlackRat | tho i think i had the problem trying sarge (which is hotplug, no?) |
| 19:25.47 | SlackRat | do i replace anything in /etc/modules or just add the mousedev? |
| 19:25.54 | SlackRat | :S |
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| 19:26.43 | softnet_ | you gave me some hooks but... |
| 19:26.55 | stew | SlackRat: just add |
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| 19:27.36 | SlackRat | cool, hmn, or would it be a better idea to install sarge and upgrade to testing tho.... |
| 19:28.34 | softnet_ | is there a guide that covers how configuration files are handled when building a package? |
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| 19:30.56 | Edwin_Quijada | Hi! |
| 19:31.06 | Edwin_Quijada | I cannot connect to my lan |
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| 19:31.24 | SlackRat | back to the installing board....bleh.... :P |
| 19:31.26 | SlayerXP | Edwin_Quijada: can you be less specfic? |
| 19:31.32 | Edwin_Quijada | when run dmesg I got eth0: Media Link Off |
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| 19:31.44 | SlackRat | specific | less |
| 19:31.46 | Edwin_Quijada | SlayerXP: sorry |
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| 19:33.14 | softnet_ | Edwin_Quijada, check the cable |
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| 19:33.51 | Edwin_Quijada | softnet_: ready I put aonther machine and it works |
| 19:33.54 | SlackRat | here goes again, hopefully bbl.... thanks all |
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| 19:36.47 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/80734 <- I'm trying to setup eth1 for static ip and eth0 for DCHP. eth0 seems to work just fine but I seem to have some problems with eth1, "ifup eth1" tells me that not all needed variables are set |
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| 19:36.54 | Hoxzer | do you spot the error? |
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| 19:37.54 | stew | Hoxzer: you need an "address" entry for eth1, right now you have an "adress" entry |
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| 19:38.32 | Hoxzer | :D right ... |
| 19:38.44 | Nei | would someone know of an instruction how to get sun java on etch? |
| 19:39.04 | stew | Hoxzer: note that if eth0 is brought up first and gets a default gw from dhcp, then eth1 is brought up and is also trying to set a default gw you might get undesired or unpredictable results |
| 19:39.08 | Nei | java-package and make-jpgp do not exist in etch.... and all guides only speak of these |
| 19:39.27 | stew | Nei: java-package is in contrib ; /msg dpkg contrib |
| 19:39.40 | Hoxzer | stew: they are plugged in diffrend boxes |
| 19:40.06 | stew | Hoxzer: yes, but you still can only have one default gw (per routing table) |
| 19:40.09 | Nei | ooh thanks |
| 19:40.11 | softnet_ | dondelelcaro, you suggest i do something like dpkg-divert --package mykerberos --rename --divert /etc/krb5.conf.orig /etc/krb5.conf |
| 19:40.23 | softnet_ | once and for all? |
| 19:40.43 | softnet_ | for every file i want to override? |
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| 19:41.01 | skybox | dual layer break, anyone knows what i'm talking about? |
| 19:41.01 | dondelelcaro | softnet_: it really depends on how many files you need to deal with and what the package itself is doing with those files. |
| 19:41.19 | kepht | Hoxzer: think map is for labeling a MAC address or other address with the nic |
| 19:41.31 | softnet_ | i just want to override the original configuration files with mine. |
| 19:41.49 | kepht | Hoxzer: the script grep lines seems incomplete too |
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| 19:41.52 | alexey__ | hi all ! |
| 19:41.55 | softnet_ | but preserve my config files across updates of the original package |
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| 19:42.26 | alexey__ | Is there any way to know if Netfilter was compiled into the kernel ? (if I have only binary kernel) |
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| 19:42.57 | dondelelcaro | softnet_: diversions or ucf can do that fairly easily. |
| 19:43.05 | stew | alexey__: grep CONFIG_NETFILTER /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:43.25 | alexey__ | thx |
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| 19:43.48 | rohan | what is the default /etc/motd for a debian sid box ? |
| 19:43.51 | softnet_ | so.i divert every configuration file to something ending with .original, and just place my configuration files in my package right? |
| 19:43.57 | softnet_ | (sorry for being annoying) |
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| 19:44.41 | alexey__ | thx' |
| 19:45.40 | mz_work | anyone using sid & e17 from gefechtsdienst.de repo? |
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| 19:47.25 | Nei | mz_work, why not use the edevlop one |
| 19:47.47 | rohan | what is the default /etc/motd for a debian sid box ? |
| 19:48.28 | Hoxzer | stew: is there any place I could read about this gw problem? |
| 19:49.09 | stew | Hoxzer: do you expect both interfaces to be able to get to subnets other than their own? |
| 19:49.23 | stew | Hoxzer: like should the machine be able to reach the internet from either card? |
| 19:49.35 | moyix|work | is there a structured (eg, database or xml) source for debian security advisories? |
| 19:49.46 | stew | Hoxzer: are their any networks that should be reachable from either gateway? |
| 19:50.00 | stew | Hoxzer: the problem is that you cannot have more than one "default" you can only have one |
| 19:50.01 | mz_work | Nei: link? |
| 19:50.10 | softnet_ | but how do i make a package wich actually installs configuration files? |
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| 19:55.01 | Nei | mz_work, http://edevelop.org/debian I think |
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| 19:56.01 | LinuxHelp | war95, ping? |
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| 19:56.44 | newdebusr | Does anyone know if a debian stable server is configured out of the box to be able to add an external SATA drive without shutting down. It is powered externally. I would like to be able to just plug it in and then partition it, add a filesystem, and then mount it. |
| 19:56.49 | mz_work | Nei: thanks but that repo is older than the one i'm using :) |
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| 19:57.13 | mz_work | Nei: was just curious anyway - things are coming back to normal after the infamous "shelf code" incident |
| 19:57.19 | Nei | mz_work, ah ok, sorry then ;) |
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| 19:57.21 | Hoxzer | Sanokees |
| 19:57.22 | row | is paste announcer broken? |
| 19:57.23 | centrx | Nei, why didn't they announce that? |
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| 19:57.42 | Nei | centrx, what do you mean? |
| 19:57.47 | row | anyway how can I fix this paraport issue http://channels.debian.net/paste/3071 ? |
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| 20:02.32 | war95 | LinuxHelp: what???? :P read the readme |
| 20:02.44 | Hoxzer | stew: Other one is for internet connection and another for ether connection but it also provides internet connection (which is not used) |
| 20:02.54 | LinuxHelp | war95, I've been pinging you for days 8) |
| 20:03.35 | LinuxHelp | war95, anyway, alsaconf wasnt working, so I wanted to know how to check whether it was in my kernel (the alsa) |
| 20:03.44 | war95 | LinuxHelp: cd /usr/src/linux |
| 20:03.50 | hans0lo | Since an upgrade about a month ago, fonts in FireFox are runnign together. For example, on the word 'office' the 'c' and the second 'f' are in the same space, 'i' and 'e' are nudged together. Has anyone else seen this? Is it a problem with FireFox, or the font system? |
| 20:03.51 | war95 | LinuxHelp: make menuconfig |
| 20:03.58 | war95 | LinuxHelp: go to device drivers -> sound -> |
| 20:04.02 | war95 | LinuxHelp: we didnt use alsa remmeber? |
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| 20:04.05 | war95 | LinuxHelp: we used OSS |
| 20:04.15 | LinuxHelp | war95.. ah |
| 20:04.16 | war95 | LinuxHelp: apt-get install aumix |
| 20:04.23 | war95 | LinuxHelp: that controls the volume of /dev/dsp |
| 20:04.31 | war95 | LinuxHelp: chmod 666 /dev/dsp to control it as a regular user |
| 20:04.58 | stew | Hoxzer: then don't add a gatweway for the second connection, only add specific routes to specific nets (besides its own network) that it needs to access from that card |
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| 20:05.19 | stew | Hoxzer: if you need to be able to get to the internet over either connection, you need to setup multiple routing tables, /msg dpkg split access |
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| 20:05.43 | stew | LinuxHelp: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:05.55 | LinuxHelp | 2.6.17.3 |
| 20:05.56 | [Thom] | I'm in need of a good debian host that will let me run subversion, any suggestions? |
| 20:06.03 | LinuxHelp | stew, you always ask me that.. |
| 20:06.23 | war95 | LinuxHelp: why use alsa instead of OSS? if there is no compelling reason, use oss ;) |
| 20:06.25 | stew | war95: one shouldn't change those permissions |
| 20:06.51 | stew | LinuxHelp: we'd recommend you use alsa instead of oss, oss is deprecated and in general doesn't provide as good of support |
| 20:06.54 | blondie | hmm, I removed one of the NICs from my server but it still shows up :S |
| 20:06.59 | stew | LinuxHelp: what card do you have? |
| 20:07.07 | war95 | he's using built-in ich 815 audio |
| 20:07.12 | war95 | i8xx |
| 20:07.15 | war95 | I use the same, use OSS, works fine |
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| 20:07.30 | LinuxHelp | stew, I'm using an old sound device |
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| 20:07.47 | war95 | LinuxHelp: back to my original question, why do you want to use alsa? |
| 20:07.51 | LinuxHelp | stew, Intel on board thing, so oss should be fine hardware-side |
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| 20:08.08 | stew | LinuxHelp: do you ahve snd-inten8x0 loaded? |
| 20:08.10 | newdebusr | hey everyone. Does anyone know if a debian stable server is configured out of the box to be able to add an external SATA drive without shutting down. It is powered externally. I would like to be able to just plug it in and then partition it, add a filesystem, and then mount it? |
| 20:08.14 | LinuxHelp | war95, oh no reason :) just people said use alsa, so i did |
| 20:08.18 | war95 | LinuxHelp: lol |
| 20:08.31 | stew | err snd-intel8x0 rather |
| 20:08.35 | war95 | LinuxHelp: oss is one or two modules (we statically linked them if you remember) but alsa is about 5-10 , bloated if you ask me :P |
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| 20:08.46 | stew | LinuxHelp: and do you have i810-audio loaded? |
| 20:08.47 | war95 | newdebusr: eSATA? probably not |
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| 20:09.09 | war95 | LinuxHelp: btw using kernel modules instead of a static-link results in 15-20% sspeed reduction |
| 20:09.17 | war95 | LinuxHelp: at least with Nics, intel did a study |
| 20:09.19 | stew | war95: that's false |
| 20:09.35 | war95 | Intel's research is wrong? you can tell tham that ;) |
| 20:09.39 | stew | war95: url? |
| 20:09.48 | war95 | read it on google a while ago, it was a PDF |
| 20:09.54 | LinuxHelp | stew FATAL: Module i810_audio not found. |
| 20:10.05 | war95 | LinuxHelp: We did not compile any modules so all their suggestions wont help you :P |
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| 20:10.05 | newdebusr | yep. its eSATA. Why would that be any different than SATA |
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| 20:10.09 | LinuxHelp | but I havent tested yet |
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| 20:10.17 | war95 | newdebusr: it wouldnt be |
| 20:10.21 | war95 | newdebusr: depends on the chipset |
| 20:10.31 | stew | LinuxHelp: that's good. "modprobe snd-intel8x0 ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss" which will load the alsa module and the oss-compatibility for alsa |
| 20:10.45 | war95 | newdebusr: what chipset does it use? |
| 20:10.48 | war95 | newdebusr: that is the question |
| 20:10.56 | newdebusr | The chipset on the mb i guess is what you mean. its a dell poweredge server 700 |
| 20:11.02 | newdebusr | intel chipset . |
| 20:11.11 | war95 | that doesnt mean anything |
| 20:11.14 | war95 | lspci |
| 20:11.17 | war95 | need the output from that |
| 20:11.24 | newdebusr | ok hold on |
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| 20:11.33 | war95 | but put it in #flood |
| 20:11.37 | war95 | or else you will get kicked from herre |
| 20:12.00 | war95 | LinuxHelp: does your sound work? are you happy with it? if so , be happy ;) |
| 20:12.08 | newdebusr | 0000:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 6300ESB SATA Storage Controller (rev 02)\ |
| 20:12.11 | LinuxHelp | sudo chown misha /dev/dsp ? |
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| 20:12.27 | LinuxHelp | or perhaps audio should own it or something |
| 20:12.27 | war95 | LinuxHelp: chmod 666 /dev/dsp |
| 20:12.31 | stew | LinuxHelp: no, "adduser misha audio" |
| 20:12.32 | stew | war95: no |
| 20:12.39 | stew | LinuxHelp: don't bother changing the permissions |
| 20:12.46 | war95 | newdebusr: might work |
| 20:12.52 | war95 | newdebusr: why don't you try it? |
| 20:12.58 | abrotman | war95: never ever change the permissions in /dev/ unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing .. and in this case .. you didn't |
| 20:12.59 | stew | LinuxHelp: that command will add misha to the audio group |
| 20:13.05 | blondie | abrotman: why not! |
| 20:13.07 | war95 | abrotman: sure I do |
| 20:13.09 | newdebusr | cause my whole lab is using it as a samba fileserver |
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| 20:13.11 | abrotman | war95: no .. you don't |
| 20:13.16 | war95 | whatever dude |
| 20:13.16 | newdebusr | i should try at night |
| 20:13.17 | stew | LinuxHelp: do you have udev installed? |
| 20:13.21 | war95 | newdebusr: nice |
| 20:13.26 | war95 | he does not use udev |
| 20:13.28 | LinuxHelp | stew, no, I'm using static /dev/ |
| 20:13.29 | war95 | he uses a static development |
| 20:13.34 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.36 | war95 | word replace ;) |
| 20:13.50 | stew | !unix lessons |
| 20:13.51 | dpkg | well, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 20:13.58 | abrotman | oh look .. rule #1 |
| 20:14.06 | newdebusr | i'll just try hot adding the drive tonight |
| 20:14.11 | war95 | newdebusr: k |
| 20:14.18 | newdebusr | thanks war95 |
| 20:14.19 | LinuxHelp | aumix: error opening mixer |
| 20:14.24 | zinx | see |
| 20:14.30 | stew | LinuxHelp: did you modprobe snd-pcm-oss? |
| 20:14.34 | zinx | if you'd just added your user to the audio group |
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| 20:14.43 | abrotman | does the mixer even exist? |
| 20:14.46 | zinx | you wouldn't have had to also change the permissions on the mixer |
| 20:14.52 | blondie | abrotman: what about when they're naff permissions (the debian defaults)? |
| 20:14.55 | LinuxHelp | sudo aumix |
| 20:14.57 | LinuxHelp | you see |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | blondie: chown a-naff ... |
| 20:15.05 | blondie | like having 755 for /home/* |
| 20:15.16 | blondie | whose retarded idea was that |
| 20:15.17 | abrotman | blondie: that's an option when you install iirc .. or maybe that's just for etch |
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| 20:15.30 | abrotman | it asks you about world-readable $HOMEs |
| 20:15.31 | blondie | abrotman: it's not an option any more... until you change the adduser config |
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| 20:15.39 | blondie | abrotman: no longer |
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| 20:15.52 | LinuxHelp | FATAL: Module snd_pcm_oss not found. , anyway the only module I have is nvidia |
| 20:16.12 | cureless | 755 on /home is not fatal |
| 20:16.14 | war95 | LinuxHelp: good you got that to work ;) |
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| 20:16.22 | abrotman | blondie: why do you give users shells? .. yeesh |
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| 20:16.23 | blondie | cureless: I didn't say /home |
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| 20:16.28 | LinuxHelp | war95, took me ages |
| 20:16.33 | cureless | /home/* |
| 20:16.35 | war95 | LinuxHelp: :o( |
| 20:16.37 | blondie | yes |
| 20:16.41 | LinuxHelp | stupid installer put the files all over my hd |
| 20:16.43 | cureless | seems normal to me. |
| 20:16.47 | stew | LinuxHelp: what does "grep CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return ? |
| 20:16.52 | war95 | LinuxHelp: jeap jeap |
| 20:17.04 | blondie | seems retarded to me to give everyone rx access to everyone else's files |
| 20:17.16 | cureless | blondie: it's not to the files, just the dir. |
| 20:17.18 | stew | blondie: that's not what 755 does |
| 20:17.22 | cureless | 1. you can change it yourself |
| 20:17.24 | stew | oh yes it is |
| 20:17.36 | blondie | cureless: "orly". |
| 20:17.56 | cureless | 2. you should protect your files |
| 20:18.03 | LinuxHelp | grep: /boot/config-2.6.17.3: No such file or directory |
| 20:18.07 | blondie | cureless: 0. the default is stupid |
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| 20:18.19 | stew | LinuxHelp: oh, you didn't use make-kpkg? you shoud /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:18.23 | abrotman | !qotd155 |
| 20:18.24 | dpkg | qotd155 is probably <_mark> abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
| 20:18.28 | stew | LinuxHelp: do you know where your kernel config is? |
| 20:18.37 | blondie | cureless: yes, you should protect your files by changing the default permissions |
| 20:18.37 | war95 | LinuxHelp: /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 20:18.42 | LinuxHelp | ^^ |
| 20:18.46 | stew | hopefully its not there |
| 20:18.52 | stew | but anyway... |
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| 20:19.09 | stew | LinuxHelp: "grep CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL /usr/src/linux/.config" |
| 20:19.12 | meriad | how do I excute a command remotely over SSH like I wanna hup the web serevr remotely |
| 20:19.20 | meriad | move the web logfile, hup the server and then scp it back to my box |
| 20:19.21 | cureless | cureless: the only thing 755 /home/* gives you is ls access to other peoples files (in their home), you can remove it if you wish. |
| 20:19.21 | blondie | meriad: ssh user@server command |
| 20:19.28 | cureless | blondie: ^^^ |
| 20:19.29 | stew | i wish people would stop making that broken /usr/src/linux link |
| 20:19.37 | blondie | cureless: same to you too |
| 20:20.02 | zinx | stew: grep CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 20:20.04 | LinuxHelp | no results for the (successful) grep |
| 20:20.07 | cureless | as for the default, I wouldn't object to changing it if other people had a strong objection, but I don't think it's a big deal. |
| 20:20.17 | war95 | LinuxHelp: because we did not enable Alsa! |
| 20:20.20 | war95 | LinuxHelp: oSS Only :) |
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| 20:20.56 | stew | LinuxHelp: is there a reason you compiled your own kernel instead of using a debian kernel? |
| 20:21.02 | stew | LinuxHelp: is there a reason you didnt' use make-kpkg? |
| 20:21.10 | LinuxHelp | war95, aumix says aumix: error opening mixer |
| 20:21.21 | LinuxHelp | stew, yeah on the compile |
| 20:21.30 | LinuxHelp | stew, I needed to add raid |
| 20:21.41 | stew | LinuxHelp: the debian kernels would have raid support |
| 20:21.55 | LinuxHelp | stew, apparently not.. the initrd didnt work |
| 20:22.08 | war95 | LinuxHelp: aumix works as root correct? |
| 20:22.15 | stew | war95: it certainly wouldn't |
| 20:22.16 | LinuxHelp | so I said goodbye to mr initrd forever |
| 20:22.24 | war95 | LinuxHelp: lol nice |
| 20:22.25 | LinuxHelp | war95, nope |
| 20:22.34 | war95 | LinuxHelp: ah I thought we compiled it in |
| 20:22.57 | war95 | LinuxHelp: lspci | grep -i audio |
| 20:22.57 | LinuxHelp | war95, I only remember adding the hardware-side of things |
| 20:22.59 | stew | LinuxHelp: its certainly possible to get raid working with a debian kernel and initrd |
| 20:23.10 | war95 | but a much more PIA |
| 20:23.12 | LinuxHelp | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:23.42 | war95 | linuxhelp still have the forward up? |
| 20:23.45 | LinuxHelp | stew, I did get the raid working, however there was a secondary error |
| 20:24.10 | LinuxHelp | stew, even with a default mkinitrd |
| 20:24.21 | LinuxHelp | war95 yup |
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| 20:24.35 | LinuxHelp | stew, something about DevFS |
| 20:24.37 | war95 | LinuxHelp: screen -x like before |
| 20:24.42 | war95 | LinuxHelp: it was udev btw. |
| 20:24.50 | stew | LinuxHelp: yes, that's why you aren't supposed to use mkinitrd with kernels > 2.6.13 |
| 20:25.08 | stew | LinuxHelp: you should be using intramfs-tools (preferably) or yaird |
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| 20:25.24 | LinuxHelp | stew, well.. my computer boots now, so thats more than I usualy get |
| 20:25.26 | LinuxHelp | :) |
| 20:25.40 | war95 | LinuxHelp: screen -x again |
| 20:25.50 | stew | LinuxHelp: when you recompile it next time, i recommend that you use kp: /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:25.55 | LinuxHelp | war95, screen -x <which port> |
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| 20:26.17 | war95 | 3874 |
| 20:26.26 | LinuxHelp | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:26.30 | LinuxHelp | .. |
| 20:26.35 | LinuxHelp | war pts/3 2006-07-06 22:24 (iniquity:S.0) |
| 20:26.40 | stew | LinuxHelp: and it would be recommended that you try a debian kernel again, but this time use initramfs-tools |
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| 20:31.10 | HS^ | whyu isnt irc.debian.org point to here anymor e :S |
| 20:31.30 | dabreegster | HS^: /topic, /msg dpkg oftc move |
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| 20:31.55 | HS^ | what about topic |
| 20:31.58 | HS^ | i can read |
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| 20:32.16 | tuv | which should i be using, initramfs-tools or yaird? |
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| 20:34.25 | war95 | LinuxHelp: reboot after its done and then try it again |
| 20:34.33 | LinuxHelp | k |
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| 20:36.56 | nvz | hmm why does the topic say to chane my nickserv password? |
| 20:37.11 | war95 | because the network nickserv got hacked |
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| 20:37.15 | war95 | and passwords may have been compromised |
| 20:37.36 | cureless | 'bout 2 weeks ago IIRC |
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| 20:37.48 | dabreegster | Wasn't that long |
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| 20:38.04 | abrotman | yeah .. it was about two weeks ago |
| 20:38.09 | nvz | interesting, now I have to come up with a new password. |
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| 20:38.15 | jsmidt | Are there and good text based rss readers for Debian? |
| 20:38.16 | abrotman | nvz: how about something in yinzer? |
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| 20:39.00 | dabreegster | jsmidt: raggle |
| 20:39.06 | stew | <war95> and passwords may have been compromised <- what is that supposed to mean? |
| 20:39.10 | jsmidt | thanks dabreegster |
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| 20:39.38 | hid3 | Hello everyone. is there any way/tool to reset /proc/interrupts, transmited bytes/packets counters for a network device without rebooting the system? |
| 20:39.44 | stew | oh, i missed somehting |
| 20:40.00 | stew | nvz: lilo's account got compromised, and someone spoofed nickserv |
| 20:40.06 | Eulex | hid3, modprobe -r the module and modprobe it again? |
| 20:40.13 | nvz | abrotman: heh, it was 'boolyoolyo' I changed it now though |
| 20:40.27 | Eulex | and reaquiring dhcp if needed |
| 20:40.29 | hid3 | Eulex: and if the driver is built in statically into the kernel? Any ideas? |
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| 20:40.39 | Eulex | hid3, hmm, dunno then. |
| 20:40.47 | nvz | I dont think anyone would want to take my account anyhow.. I dont have control over anything |
| 20:41.01 | hid3 | it's a pity.. |
| 20:41.36 | blondie | nvz: people probably use the same password for nickserv as for their login accounts ;) |
| 20:41.49 | beardy | hid3: Tried echoing it? ;) |
| 20:41.52 | hans0lo | Since an upgrade about a month ago, fonts in FireFox are runnign together. For example, on the word 'office' the 'c' and the second 'f' are in the same space, 'i' and 'e' are nudged together. Has anyone else seen this? Is it a problem with FireFox, or the font system? |
| 20:43.06 | hid3 | beardy: how..? |
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| 20:43.14 | Coweater | hans0lo: what font? |
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| 20:43.24 | jelly-home | Is is normal that trailers from apple.com/trailers don't work in Konqueror? konq. is 4:3.5.3-2, kde is version 5:47 |
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| 20:43.43 | hans0lo | Coweater: sans, I believe |
| 20:43.44 | beardy | hid3: echo "whatever" >> /proc/interrupts |
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| 20:43.59 | hid3 | beardy: will try it, thanks |
| 20:44.15 | nvz | blondie: yeah right.. heh not me. I have a strict password policy.. things that have absolutly no need for a password but require one I compound two 3 or 4 letter words, for things that could effect only my reputation say like my nickserv password I generally use much longer passwords without any dictionary words but using a pronounceable algo like my former password "boolyoolyo" and for... |
| 20:44.16 | nvz | ...high security accounts like logins there is no pattern and mixed case, numerals, letters, as well as punctuation is used with a bare minimum of 13 chars |
| 20:44.21 | beardy | hid3: sorry, only one > this time (remember that this may not work at all, mostly a joke) |
| 20:44.31 | LinuxHelp | war95, ping? |
| 20:44.51 | beardy | hid3: Or, look at it first, echo the same content, but with 0 at the place you wish to reset. |
| 20:44.53 | hid3 | beardy: it doesn't work (very pity), but that was an awesome idea ;) |
| 20:45.53 | beardy | hid3: If you restart networking? Nothing happens? |
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| 20:45.58 | nvz | blondie: only level 1 passwords can be used more than once simultaniously, level 2 passwords can be recycled after about 2 years and level 3 passwords are unique and have a series of other policies I wont mention attached to them. |
| 20:46.08 | beardy | hid3: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:46.11 | blondie | lol. |
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| 20:46.18 | hid3 | nope.. :( |
| 20:46.23 | Klarybaba | sziasztok |
| 20:46.33 | war95 | LinuxHelp: yeah |
| 20:46.36 | war95 | LinuxHelp: did that work? |
| 20:46.49 | beardy | hid3: Why do you need to reset them though? |
| 20:47.01 | hid3 | beardy: my system hangs up constantly after 10-14 days and no one has a clue how to fix it (it is 100% a driver problem), so I think this might help.. |
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| 20:47.38 | beardy | hid3: How are you sure that that is the problem? |
| 20:47.40 | LinuxHelp | war95, yup, well aumix starts |
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| 20:47.45 | war95 | LinuxHelp: good :) |
| 20:47.54 | LinuxHelp | war95, must still test though |
| 20:47.58 | war95 | LinuxHelp: ok |
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| 20:48.28 | hid3 | beardy: cause I replace the network card (to another, which uses another driver) and the problem is gone. When I replace it to identical one, which uses the same driver, the problem still remains |
| 20:48.31 | nvz | I probably have a dozen or more website accounts that I dont feel should even have passwords using the same level 1 password right now. strange thing is I have my credit card site, and gmail on level 3 but my cell phone company's site I have a level 1 password *shrug* I should probably change that |
| 20:48.46 | beardy | hid3: Ah, I see. |
| 20:49.31 | beardy | hid3: Which driver is the faulty one? Have you reported that problem? |
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| 20:50.14 | hid3 | beardy: Yes, i've reported that to bugzilla. The faulty driver is SysKonnect SK-98xx |
| 20:51.36 | jelly-home | hid3: you are aware that there may be two drivers for your card, sk98lin and skge? |
| 20:52.10 | LinuxHelp | war95, should I cat /dev/random /dev/somewhere to test? |
| 20:52.14 | hid3 | jelly-home: skge does not detect my card at all, dunno why. |
| 20:52.30 | war95 | LinuxHelp: nah, just get an mp3 or something |
| 20:52.33 | war95 | or play a .wav file |
| 20:52.42 | LinuxHelp | ah yes.. locate |
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| 20:53.40 | meriad | I got a question, its not really regrading Debian, but its regadring AWSTATS a Web Log Anaylzer, rather just a logfile anaylzer, I have two logfiles, that are being balanced they are botht the same but hold different data because of the log balancing, ping 1 goes there, ping 2 goes there, web hit 1 goes here, web hit 2 goes there.. Im wondering how I would go about parsing both the logfiels, because once I parse one of the logfiles when i begin parsing the |
| 20:53.40 | meriad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.19 | LinuxHelp | okay that was loud |
| 20:54.29 | war95 | LinuxHelp: lol |
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| 20:54.50 | war95 | cool I just failed a drive and my raid5 started re-building on my spare |
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| 20:54.53 | war95 | sw raid5 OWNS!! |
| 20:55.09 | jhave | Some there now what package /var/lib/mysql are in ? |
| 20:55.22 | jhave | my lib is fucket |
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| 20:55.38 | jhave | and i need to reinstall it |
| 20:55.49 | stoni | hello, i have started to install but script after reboot was not executed. anybidy can tell me what script is it? |
| 20:56.02 | nvz | meriad: I am not fully following the concept other than I understand you have two logs containing data for the same time period and on the same subject.. sounds like you need to merge them maybe to parse them |
| 20:56.06 | Coweater | jhave: use apt-file or the package interface on the web to search for the file |
| 20:56.13 | ratonn | I installed the spamassassin package. ps ax | grep spamd shows it's running, but it's not processing exim4's emails... :| |
| 20:56.16 | LinuxHelp | war95, its normal for my md2 to be still busy (albeit r/o) when the power goes off? |
| 20:56.32 | ratonn | ratonn: do i need to configure exim as well? |
| 20:56.47 | nvz | meriad: could I assume they have something like [Jan 1 1970 00:00:00] timestamp on the beginning of each line? |
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| 20:57.17 | abrotman | beer beer beer beer .. |
| 20:57.33 | glut | where? |
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| 20:57.42 | abrotman | ratonn: most likely .. check docs in /usr/share/doc/ or ask #exim |
| 20:57.45 | dabreegster | !beer |
| 20:57.45 | nvz | I got some wine and spirits in my fridge, but I drank all the beer days ago |
| 20:57.45 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 20:58.19 | keith80403 | jhave, Try dpkg -L mysql to get a list of the files in that package. If there are no /var/lib/mysql packages there, run dpkg -L against the other mysql packages. |
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| 20:58.37 | abrotman | nvz: lush |
| 20:58.49 | nvz | the wine and spirits are much quicker than beer.. the wine is like 13% alcohol/vol and the other is like 35%alcohol/vol |
| 20:58.52 | abrotman | keith80403: try mysql-server or something like that |
| 20:59.18 | keith80403 | jhave, See abrotman's message above. |
| 20:59.29 | war95 | LinuxHelp: yeah |
| 20:59.36 | LinuxHelp | kcool |
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| 20:59.37 | war95 | LinuxHelp: it will probably have to re-sync that parition |
| 20:59.38 | nvz | abrotman: heh. I hate tv, I have no internet.. if I dont drink a little in the evenings I will just keep cooking and eating. |
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| 20:59.53 | nvz | abrotman: I can only take so much bike riding in this state.. too many hills |
| 20:59.55 | abrotman | oh .. jhave, keith80403 .. probably want `dpkg -S lib/mysql` |
| 21:00.02 | evilgeek | um, why would you refrigerate wine and vodka? |
| 21:00.07 | boudewijn | how can i disable selinux in debian? |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | evilgeek: the box will get soggy? |
| 21:00.14 | nvz | the alcohol just puts me to sleep |
| 21:01.12 | evilgeek | sigh. barbarians. |
| 21:01.16 | nvz | evilgeek: its cheap flavored wine, and not vodka, but Jagermiester |
| 21:01.20 | keith80403 | abrotman, dpkg -S is a better idea, I'm "converting" from Fedora and am still a Debian "n00b." |
| 21:01.27 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 21:01.28 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 21:02.47 | boudewijn | how can i disable selinux in debian? anyone? |
| 21:03.07 | nvz | keeping alcohol around helps break the ice when company comes too.. never hurts to have some alcohol |
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| 21:04.19 | nvz | boudewijn: I've installed debian about a hundred times and never had selinux enabled |
| 21:04.34 | nvz | maybe you should start with how you got it enabled in the first place and work backwards |
| 21:05.12 | nvz | note a message that your kernel has selinux support in dmesg doesnt mean you have selinux enabled |
| 21:06.42 | nvz | you have to actually compile a selinux policy and remove the root plug, not to mention replace several system utilities with selinux ones before you actually have a selinux system |
| 21:07.00 | nvz | its not really something you happen upon by accident |
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| 21:08.12 | boudewijn | ok, allow me to ask another question :) .. i can't use mutella and amule with debian (works fine with fc) i forwarded the ports in my router, but i can't connect |
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| 21:10.12 | abrotman | gtk-gnutella |
| 21:10.16 | nvz | the mule thing always seemed like garbage to me. for p2p I have always thought gift or even limewire works best |
| 21:10.36 | nvz | limewire is easy to understand and connect directly to your friends to share files in a simple way |
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| 21:11.43 | Hoxzer | hmmm |
| 21:11.47 | boudewijn | ok, thnx, i'll try gtk-gnutella and limewire. what bittorrent client do you use with ebian? is ktorrent a good one? |
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| 21:11.54 | nvz | with gift you can have clients anywhere on your network using it regaurdless of their OS all through one port (or however many required per network) and accessing various networks simultaniously |
| 21:12.31 | nvz | right now gift has working network plugins for OpenFT and Gnutella in debian, and 3rd party packages can be found for FastTrack and Ares. |
| 21:13.04 | LinuxHelp | whats the mount option in fstab, to exclude a mount from "mount -a"? |
| 21:13.06 | boudewijn | can i simply type: apt-get install gift ? |
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| 21:13.25 | nvz | boudewijn: I dont like bittorrent either, but my brother claims that azureus or however you spell that is one of the best as some trackers ban bittornado and others for some reason |
| 21:13.58 | Hoxzer | geez, why did you buy gf 2 for my HTPC :/ |
| 21:14.08 | Hoxzer | I get some much problem because of it |
| 21:14.17 | LinuxHelp | nvz, the fact that they are banned, could actually mean that they exploit the network, and are thus good for the user |
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| 21:14.42 | pipeline | nvz: bittornado isn't banned anywhere; it's practically the reference client. |
| 21:14.44 | nvz | boudewijn: its a good start. gift is a client/server model with network plugins.. so you will need giftd (the server that does all the work) the client(s) (that will be your user interface to control the server) and the network plugins.. apt-get install gift will pull in some basics.. but you may want to apt-cache search gift and see what all is available |
| 21:15.15 | steve_dondley | can someone please tell me what package I need to use the iconv command shown at http://www.marblestation.com/blog/index.php?p=149 |
| 21:15.29 | steve_dondley | I searched packages but no luck. |
| 21:16.28 | nvz | LinuxHelp: pipeline I am assuming when people ask about p2p and bittorrent all in the same breath they are like my little brother sucking the bandwith from the internet pirating copyrighted material.. many illegal torrent trackers deny access from certain clients |
| 21:16.28 | boudewijn | alright, i'll have to reboot first cause i'm on windows right now. thanks for the help. i'm new to debian, i've been using fc (and rh) for several years |
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| 21:16.47 | LinuxHelp | ah noauto is the command I was looking for |
| 21:16.51 | steve_dondley | ah, I need recode |
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| 21:18.01 | keith80403 | I've heard reports that Limewire has spyware in it. |
| 21:18.02 | Hoxzer | has somebody here installed nvtv with BT/CX calc? |
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| 21:18.21 | nvz | keith80403: it does, if there is such a thing.. I hate those terms |
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| 21:19.01 | nvz | keith80403: it will on windows anyhow popup windows related to search words and connect to websites that track I assume for advertising purposes what you are searching for. |
| 21:19.41 | nvz | keith80403: but as far as all that goes it doesnt matter what client you use anyone any where on the network could do the same just by watching what search strings come across the network |
| 21:19.53 | centrx | WHO SUMMONED ME |
| 21:20.59 | sussudio | %do centrx |
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| 21:21.18 | sussudio | oh good. bot's fucked. |
| 21:22.09 | nvz | oh, fuck chatzilla's shitty completion.. I just got two pages of fucking fuck trying to tab complete something |
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| 21:24.18 | nvz | bah /clear didnt quite to what I wanted :P I hate chatzilla _more_ than I hate windowsXP that I am running it on |
| 21:24.50 | philips | nvz: X-Chat? |
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| 21:26.01 | nvz | xchat is non-free on win32 and dont hand me any shit about those free builds I downloaded on last time I went on a CZ rant and someone suggested it, and it not only kept saying "no windows cd in drive" when I tried to install it, but it had a bunch of spyware and in general didnt work at all |
| 21:26.17 | nvz | CZ at least connects to the server with no fuss... I cant help it sucks |
| 21:26.41 | nvz | I want irssi, is what I want.. but this isnt my pc so I cant just install debian on it |
| 21:26.59 | cureless | nvz: wasn't somebody else trying to repackage xchat for windows? |
| 21:27.14 | jelly-home | nvz: god forbid you paid for the developer's build |
| 21:27.35 | glut | nvz: get cygwin, and compile irssi for it ;) |
| 21:27.49 | nvz | why would I pay for a chat client that I hate nearly as much as the free one I am using for an OS that I cant stand to use on a computer that isnt mine |
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| 21:28.18 | cureless | nvz: cause you love us? |
| 21:28.32 | stew | that would be an odd way of showing it |
| 21:28.35 | jelly-home | nvz: true that, I didn't realize you hated it. |
| 21:28.44 | nvz | paying for a chat client is just obsurd. much less paying for one that is 2nd rate compared to what I am used to |
| 21:29.37 | nvz | I choose chatzilla because the owner of the pc wouldnt notice it was here, wouldnt take up much space, leave icons, advertising feces, spyware..etc |
| 21:29.44 | cureless | nvz: you don't have to pay for xchat, you can just download a free build. |
| 21:30.02 | nvz | I cant screw up someone else's pc just to get on irc. and adding cygwin wouldnt be worth it |
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| 21:30.19 | Coweater | grab putty, ssh to another machine, irssi |
| 21:30.29 | jelly-home | cureless: but apparently have to install GTK2 and stuff. |
| 21:30.32 | glut | nvz: you could run some live something |
| 21:30.39 | cureless | nvz: there's always the "livecd" route if you hate windows so much |
| 21:31.23 | nvz | yeah I might end up going that route |
| 21:31.26 | cureless | jelly-home: according to their page the installer now has gtk incorporated. |
| 21:31.52 | nvz | the only problem there is there is only one cdrom drive and the hd is NTFS.. so I am limited only to using usb flash drives to save anything |
| 21:32.31 | cureless | nvz: maybe you need to get an account somewhere and tunnel/ssh to that. |
| 21:33.09 | nvz | yeah well I need to get internet at home before I do that :P |
| 21:33.19 | nvz | that way I can just use my computer |
| 21:34.47 | cureless | nvz: use xchat for now |
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| 21:36.10 | nvz | last time I tried to put xchat on here it was a disaster |
| 21:36.24 | cureless | nvz: which one did you try? |
| 21:36.41 | nvz | whichever one was recommeded to me I dont remember what it was called |
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| 21:37.19 | CruX| | vim 7 doesn't support cscope yet ? |
| 21:37.30 | nvz | had some l33t sounding hacker name or something heh |
| 21:37.47 | cureless | nvz: half of them do |
| 21:37.52 | dabreegster | I wish vim 7 would propogate to testing already. |
| 21:38.48 | nvz | cureless: yeah well I dont need a l33t client I am not trading warez on efnet.. I am just chatting on freenode |
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| 21:39.52 | doneill | hello world! |
| 21:40.00 | nvz | hello |
| 21:40.22 | sussudio | hello, you have reached world's answering machine. i can't be arsed to come to the phone right now. |
| 21:40.54 | nvz | well actually this emachine has a d: drive that is like 3gb with about 1gb used that is fat32.. I guess its for backup.. so that live cd is sounding like a good idea |
| 21:41.22 | nvz | now the question is which live cd has irssi :P |
| 21:41.42 | Maulkin | Does anyone here use busybox on etch/sarge that fancies trying out a package for me please? |
| 21:43.32 | cureless | CruX|: there appears to be vim-cscope integration |
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| 21:45.33 | nvz | hmm this damn recovery partition shows 0files 0bytes but it has 1.3gb used.. heh they are somehow hiding everything on it I think I should burn the recovery discs and hose the whole partition and put debian on it :P |
| 21:45.43 | jelly-home | Is there a cd/dvd backup tool that has a) incremental level support, b) restore to bare metal (format disk and restore)? |
| 21:47.18 | abrotman | sng: ping! |
| 21:47.31 | sng | abrotman: Hm? |
| 21:47.49 | abrotman | sng: #-ot! |
| 21:49.27 | nvz | wtf, I tried running the recovery media creator and it says "A recovery set has already been created for this PC. You are not allowed to create another. Press OK to continue" |
| 21:49.38 | nvz | these companies are unbelievable :P |
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| 21:51.14 | jelly-home | nvz: what happens if your dog eats the recovery media? |
| 21:51.22 | nvz | you know? |
| 21:51.41 | jelly-home | dog constipation, I think. |
| 21:52.07 | nvz | apperently my dad made them already.. 4 cdrs |
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| 21:53.20 | kaeles | Where would I setup a network config script |
| 21:53.21 | kaeles | ? |
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| 21:53.32 | nvz | cdr media is highly unreliable even more so than perminant cds which are already highly unreliable |
| 21:53.49 | stew | kaeles: what is the script going to do? |
| 21:53.59 | kaeles | setup my bonding driver. |
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| 21:54.59 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 21:55.01 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 21:55.01 | stoned | nvz, hi |
| 21:55.13 | nvz | I dont know about hosing the partition but shrinking it and creating another sounds like a plan.. there is over 2gb unused on it |
| 21:55.26 | stoned | TARZEAU, is the a reason why you consult that particular factoid EVERYDAY |
| 21:55.32 | stoned | s/the/there |
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| 21:55.52 | TARZEAU | stoned: yes so also those people here the first time know about popularity contest and install it |
| 21:56.02 | stoned | ahh |
| 21:56.07 | stoned | just curious :) |
| 21:56.08 | TARZEAU | stoned: i also agree it would be better to be in the debian-installer |
| 21:56.15 | stoned | I think so too |
| 21:56.16 | TARZEAU | stoned: but it was removed from there |
| 21:56.28 | kaeles | Anyone messed with network bonding/trunking? |
| 21:56.39 | nvz | TARZEAU: keyboard all dried out now? |
| 21:56.46 | stoned | oooooh |
| 21:56.54 | stoned | nvz, that sounds nasty ;) |
| 21:57.16 | nvz | stoned: yeah well he said he spilled milk in the keyboard |
| 21:57.16 | TARZEAU | nvz: there's traces of dried milk if you want to lick it up |
| 21:57.24 | jelly-home | TARZEAU: Hm, I see that porn-get.conf hasn't updated in a while... |
| 21:57.39 | TARZEAU | jelly-home: send me patches if you care |
| 21:58.16 | TARZEAU | nvz: and i've even got more milk in the fridge if the dried one's not enough for my sweety |
| 21:58.34 | nvz | heh, whatever thats suppose to mean |
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| 22:00.43 | Nazcafan | hi, I'm running gdm +fluxbox and I would like to set the $SKINSDIR var to /usr/share/xmms/Skins for the X session |
| 22:01.10 | Nazcafan | I've been trying to edit my ~/.xsession and ~/.xinitrc to now avail |
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| 22:01.24 | Nazcafan | does anyone know how to get that please ? |
| 22:01.42 | TARZEAU | Nazcafan: ah only for your user? |
| 22:01.51 | TARZEAU | Nazcafan: what is your $SHELL? |
| 22:02.08 | stew | Nazcafan: do you have gdm starting "fluxbox" or "default session"? if you want it to pay attention to .xsession you need to say "default session" and start fluxbox at the end of .xsession |
| 22:02.11 | TARZEAU | Nazcafan: i set such stuff in .zshrc .. (you can check if you're in x or not) |
| 22:02.12 | nvz | Nazcafan: would it not be easier to link ~/.xmms/Skins to that dir? |
| 22:02.29 | Nazcafan | TARZEAU: when I open aterm it is bash |
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| 22:02.42 | TARZEAU | Nazcafan: then .bashrc or .profile or some such, man bash |
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| 22:03.21 | kriebz | anyone know much about NFS? |
| 22:03.27 | solars | hey, I'm trying to access svn via apache2, but I keep getting "svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem", my config seems alright, anyone familar with this ? |
| 22:03.48 | Nazcafan | TARZEAU: I need the $var to be set for fluxbox, for I want to launch my player from the menu, not through a shell |
| 22:03.48 | kaeles | I know a little kriebz |
| 22:03.52 | kaeles | Whats the problem? |
| 22:04.24 | Nazcafan | nvz: that's smart, I hadn't thought of this one |
| 22:04.33 | Nazcafan | damn I'm stupid |
| 22:04.43 | nvz | Nazcafan: yeah well I would do more than think of it, I would practice it |
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| 22:04.52 | stew | Nazcafan: set it in .xsesion, have gdm start default session |
| 22:04.53 | kriebz | kaeles: I have a server and a client that were alright last week, but recently anything hangs when trying to access files and most directories |
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| 22:05.24 | kaeles | is there anything else on the network that would be hogging bandwidth? |
| 22:06.00 | Nazcafan | stew: gdm starts default session, actually |
| 22:06.09 | kriebz | no. it's switched gig or fast |
| 22:06.12 | Nazcafan | my default session is fluxbox |
| 22:06.45 | kaeles | weird. |
| 22:07.23 | stew | Nazcafan: then put your settings in .xsession |
| 22:07.25 | kriebz | eeeeew |
| 22:07.37 | kriebz | it's a MTU problem |
| 22:07.38 | kaeles | mmm make sure that the packet size isnt too big for the fast ethernet cards (though it doesn't sound like that should be the problem), also make sure there are like 8 copies of the NFS server running. |
| 22:07.50 | kriebz | haha |
| 22:07.55 | kaeles | lol |
| 22:08.15 | kriebz | ok, question two: how do you make jumbo frames work, and work reliably ;-) |
| 22:08.21 | kriebz | thanks, kaeles |
| 22:08.31 | kaeles | it really depends on the cards involved |
| 22:08.36 | kaeles | you might have to read the specs on them |
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| 22:09.00 | kaeles | you wouldn't happen to know about bonding drivers? |
| 22:09.01 | kaeles | lol |
| 22:09.07 | abrotman | channel bonding? |
| 22:09.10 | kaeles | right |
| 22:09.14 | abrotman | google :) |
| 22:09.19 | Nazcafan | stew: fou@majnoun:~$ cat .xsession |
| 22:09.19 | kaeles | i did. |
| 22:09.19 | Nazcafan | #!/bin/bash |
| 22:09.19 | Nazcafan | export SKINSDIR=/usr/share/xmms/Skins |
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| 22:09.29 | kaeles | but where are the network config scripts in debian? |
| 22:09.31 | stew | Nazcafan: you aren't starting fluxbox in there |
| 22:09.35 | Nazcafan | doesn't work |
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| 22:09.38 | stew | Nazcafan: so that cannot be how your session is starting |
| 22:09.44 | zinx | kaeles: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:09.50 | kaeles | kk thanks |
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| 22:09.55 | abrotman | kaeles: nothing ? |
| 22:10.00 | fantomas_ | Hi. How to invert mouse button? |
| 22:10.00 | stew | Nazcafan: switch gdm to start the "default session" instead of starting fluxbox |
| 22:10.04 | fantomas_ | s |
| 22:10.06 | kriebz | I've always wanted to try that, but gig E was cheap and easy |
| 22:10.21 | stew | kriebz: Documentation/bonding.txt in the linux source tree iirc |
| 22:10.24 | kaeles | I have bonding gig nics. |
| 22:10.32 | kriebz | yikes |
| 22:10.33 | kaeles | err I'm bonding gig nics. |
| 22:10.34 | stew | kriebz: (or it might be Documentation/networking/bonding.txt) |
| 22:10.42 | abrotman | kaeles: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=channel+bonding+linux&btnG=Google+Search |
| 22:10.49 | kaeles | well, i Have 20 computers using it for a root server. |
| 22:11.08 | kriebz | root of what? |
| 22:11.12 | kaeles | file system |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | nfs |
| 22:11.15 | kaeles | for a cluster. |
| 22:11.18 | kriebz | ah |
| 22:11.33 | Nazcafan | stew: do I have to also add fluxbox ? |
| 22:11.40 | heh_v_water | anyone know of a nice tutorial on how to just start an application for the xserver session say liek firefox.. |
| 22:11.48 | heh_v_water | I'm using xorg btw |
| 22:12.12 | nvz | heh_v_water: and how are you starting xorg? |
| 22:12.44 | heh_v_water | nvz I dunno i am theorizing right now |
| 22:13.42 | nvz | heh_v_water: well in theory you would put those commands in ~/.Xsession or ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc but in practice your method of starting the server may not respect those files |
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| 22:14.08 | heh_v_water | just been messing alot with live cd creation and bootable usb sticks and stuff thinking about custom installs I can build with them |
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| 22:14.19 | nvz | heh_v_water: also if you use a Desktop Environment such as KDE, Gnome, XFCE which contains a session manager, it too could handle this for you, because that is what a session manager does |
| 22:15.28 | nvz | gnome-session for instance is the program which invokes gnome-panel, metacity, nautilus -n, xscreensaver..etc and any other applications crashed or left open form previous sessions when you login to gnome |
| 22:15.28 | heh_v_water | nvz so your saying if I build a startx script on boot or something like that probably xsession or xinitrc |
| 22:15.59 | nvz | heh_v_water: thats the idea. |
| 22:16.04 | psychonate | I have a process that I can't seem to kill, even with 'kill -9' and 'kill -STOP' |
| 22:16.07 | heh_v_water | using gdm couldn't I just build a custom script and make it auto login or something |
| 22:16.12 | psychonate | What else should I try? |
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| 22:16.37 | heh_v_water | oops custom session script I guess is what I mean |
| 22:16.40 | nvz | psychonate: init 6, as the process is most likely defunct or zombied and not going anywhere until you reboot |
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| 22:17.15 | heh_v_water | I haven't been able to make a bootcd image with a working desktop yet |
| 22:17.17 | psychonate | nvz, hmm, it's a graphical process; think you restarting X instead might do it? |
| 22:17.25 | heh_v_water | but it also complains about memory when I build the bigger image |
| 22:17.27 | nvz | heh_v_water: gdm has autologin as does kdm in its configuration options. you select which user to login after a specified time or during first boot |
| 22:17.54 | nvz | psychonate: nope, its already gone out to lunch it no longer cares if its able to attach to the display |
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| 22:18.13 | stoni | ls |
| 22:18.19 | stoni | sorry |
| 22:18.37 | nvz | psychonate: if you wanted to keep trying you would in that sense go after its parent process |
| 22:18.41 | heh_v_water | I also have this other idea.. what if I had a live cd and made /etc /var and /home partitions on a usb stick and mounted them at boot.. think that woudl work.. |
| 22:18.44 | slara | does etch weekly-build come with floppy boot disk images? |
| 22:19.07 | heh_v_water | that way I could store my configs and have everything writable |
| 22:19.12 | heh_v_water | maybe even like /dev |
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| 22:19.39 | nvz | psychonate: most likely its parent process is init now, because its already been asked to die and is waiting on init to call a wait().. but I dont know since your information is trivially vague |
| 22:20.35 | psychonate | nvz, trivially vague owing to my ignorance unfortunately |
| 22:20.51 | psychonate | nvz, suppose I shall init 6 as you said |
| 22:20.56 | psychonate | nvz, ty |
| 22:21.04 | heh_v_water | my ultimate goal is kismet+gpsdrive+mysql with desktop and all wireless/routing tools installed.. using 1 bootable cd, 1 usb stick, 1 usb dongler and 1 usb gps unit |
| 22:21.11 | nvz | psychonate: use ps aux, htop, gnome-system-monitor, something and give more info if you want to proceed |
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| 22:21.56 | nvz | psychonate: generally if a program reaches this point it desires you to file a bug against it |
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| 22:23.41 | stoni | anybody knows what script enables md5, sets local timezone, etc during installation? (please, it's importany) |
| 22:24.42 | nyk2005 | I installed kronolith (of horde) first and then imp. I chose IMAP login. Now I logged in as user and only see the callendar (kronolith) how can I activate the webmail (imp)? I mean I don't even know to get to the admin menu, as I login in as a IMAP user... |
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| 22:27.36 | nvz | bah damn partition utility wants to reboot windows :P |
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| 22:29.11 | nyk2005 | I installed kronolith (of horde) first and then imp. I chose IMAP login. Now I logged in as user and only see the callendar (kronolith) how can I activate the webmail (imp)? I mean I don't even know to get to the admin menu, as I login in as a IMAP user... |
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| 22:30.55 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- how can I boot debian into single user mode? |
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| 22:31.16 | zinx | by choosing recovery mode from the boot menu |
| 22:31.23 | SexyKen | ah. |
| 22:31.25 | stew | SexyKen: if you use grub the "recovery" kernels are single user mode, for lilo put "single" at the end of the command line |
| 22:31.56 | SexyKen | Thanks! |
| 22:32.11 | SexyKen | And how do I do a good fsck? |
| 22:32.24 | tictac | find a nice woman. ;) |
| 22:32.37 | SexyKen | lol |
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| 22:34.34 | nyk2005 | Not so nice: IMP is for horde3 and kronolith for horde2... anyone solved this? |
| 22:34.47 | kimo | I'm collecting integrated-system for Linux admins (zimbra 4 email, ipcop 4 security, ava-sbs Win PDC, ..) any other recommendations ? |
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| 22:37.15 | nyk2005 | And what should be in /etc/mailname? |
| 22:37.58 | stew | nyk2005: kronolith2 is in testing, which is horde3, it doesn't have any versioned depends, so you could try downloading it and dpkg -i |
| 22:38.29 | stew | nyk2005: normally installing testing packages on stable is a bad idea but if its just php code and it doens't seem to care what version of php4 it should be ok |
| 22:39.56 | nyk2005 | stew: I use horde2, kronolith and imp3 now, which should word together... But what should be in /etc/mailname? my domain name? |
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| 22:40.20 | nyk2005 | stew: apt-get is failing horde configuring because it's missing hat file |
| 22:40.44 | stew | nyk2005: the domain name that you want to appear in email coming from your system |
| 22:41.26 | nyk2005 | works! |
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| 22:43.22 | meriad | when i run ssh root@box mv file file2 && /etc/init.d/apache2 restart it doesnt werk |
| 22:43.26 | meriad | says apache2 isnt found |
| 22:43.28 | meriad | any idea why? |
| 22:43.53 | stew | meriad: becuase the && is interpreted by your local shell and it tries to run apchce2 on localhost not on the remote box |
| 22:44.01 | meriad | how do I fix that |
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| 22:44.07 | meriad | by using || |
| 22:44.08 | meriad | or | |
| 22:44.23 | meriad | or ;; |
| 22:44.24 | meriad | sorry |
| 22:44.25 | stew | meriad: you'll have to ask ssh to start a subshell on the remote system: ssh root@box sh -c "mv file file2 && /etc/init.d/apache2" |
| 22:44.26 | _joey | how do I find the version of application used in deb package? |
| 22:44.28 | nyk2005 | stew: wow, installing horde in debian is really much less annoying than in gentoo! ONly one question: there's no horde administator account? I just login with my mail-user by imap auth... |
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| 22:44.49 | jimmiehansson | _joey, used apt-cache policy |
| 22:44.52 | nabeel | hi |
| 22:44.54 | jimmiehansson | s/used/use |
| 22:45.08 | nabeel | as a sysadmin i don't want my users to go/browse above their /home/usr |
| 22:45.10 | stew | nyk2005: there should be one iirc, but i'm not sure |
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| 22:45.13 | nabeel | any ideas how to do that? |
| 22:45.50 | stew | nabeel: you have to use a restricted shell, you cannot do that and still let them use a normal shell like bash |
| 22:46.05 | nyk2005 | stew: dont find it in the config, and it's not "root"... :) |
| 22:46.14 | nabeel | restricted shell? |
| 22:46.15 | nabeel | how |
| 22:46.31 | stew | nyk2005: have you checked /usr/share/doc/horde2 and friends? |
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| 22:47.01 | nabeel | stew: restricted shell? |
| 22:47.12 | kriebz | I don't even think Rsh is packaged |
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| 22:47.30 | stew | nabeel: and even with a restricted shell i don't think there are any guarantees. the problem is that they still need to get read access to /bin, /usr/bin, /lib, /usr/lib, etc if you want them to be able to do anything |
| 22:47.33 | meriad | stwe: apparently i dont even need to wrap it in a shell instead i can just put it in quotes eh? |
| 22:47.37 | stew | kriebz: rsh is packaged, but that isnot restricted |
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| 22:47.53 | stew | meriad: yeah possibly |
| 22:48.34 | meriad | stew- but its just safer to leave it as is |
| 22:48.36 | meriad | if you ask me |
| 22:48.40 | meriad | btu the other admin doesnt thinks o |
| 22:49.50 | nyk2005 | stew: I do... |
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| 22:57.02 | zocky | i tried installing svn, but it turns out my kernel was too old. now I can't get anything updated, because libc6 won't install on my kernel, and when I try to update kernel, it wants libc6 |
| 22:57.30 | zocky | what do I do? |
| 22:57.31 | Sir-vince | What shall i write in /etc/sudoers to make the user "testuser" able to execute /sbin/iptables without being prompted for password ? |
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| 22:58.10 | patrickj | whens a new version of debian coming out? |
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| 22:58.35 | bootleg | i have mythtv working, and lircd (when i run irw i get output from my haup remote) i also have the lircrc file in /home/low/.mythtv/lircrc full permissions but mythtv doesnt budge with my remote - i even have irxevent running... any ideas? |
| 22:58.47 | stew | patrickj: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 23:02.23 | _joey | which package should I install to get /usr/bin/php interpreter? |
| 23:02.35 | stew | _joey: php4-cli |
| 23:03.00 | _joey | thanks |
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| 23:08.07 | meriad | stew: when i run that command it tells me MV is missing operand or something |
| 23:08.27 | meriad | stew: this command: ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_dsa root@box sh -c "mv /var/log/apache2/access_log /var/log/apache2/access.tmp && /etc/init.d/apache2" |
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| 23:11.35 | stew | meriad: oh, you need to quote it twice i guess, once for the local shell and ence for the rmeote? |
| 23:11.41 | jade | folks, what tool(s) can I use to create an bootable CD image of our debian server installation? |
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| 23:13.23 | stew | jade: bootcd |
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| 23:21.29 | MatBoy | is it possible to write php sessions to two different locations at the same time ? |
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| 23:22.24 | shogunx | sure. it happens all the time. your client gets one session, and the nsa the other. |
| 23:23.42 | MatBoy | shogunx, I want to loadbalance 2 servers with php-script on it. I have to share the php-sessions. So I thought... I can also connect both machines with sshfs and I'm done when I write to both locations cross-based |
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| 23:27.22 | zocky | any idea how to get out of this circular dependency? |
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| 23:27.56 | zocky | kernels 2.4 and 2.6 want initrd-tools, initrd-tools wants libc6 and libc6 wants at least kernel 2.4 |
| 23:28.02 | shogunx | MatBoy, that will likely work. |
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| 23:28.25 | MatBoy | shogunx, ok, that can be a idea than :) |
| 23:28.40 | MatBoy | shogunx, sshfs is fast enought for a lot of sessions ? |
| 23:30.03 | shogunx | MatBoy, you could mount via nfs from both too, but sshfs does give you the added security. |
| 23:30.21 | MatBoy | shogunx, indeed, that is what is very important for me |
| 23:30.34 | shogunx | give it a try and see how it works out. |
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| 23:30.51 | MatBoy | yep indeed :) |
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| 23:31.26 | MatBoy | shogunx, now I have to figure out how good MySQL replication will work... I have tried it once... but it's tricky |
| 23:33.05 | shogunx | i would make sure you raid the disks that on. |
| 23:33.24 | MatBoy | shogunx, I only use raid :) |
| 23:33.47 | shogunx | smart |
| 23:33.59 | MatBoy | even in my workstation :) |
| 23:35.34 | shogunx | costly on the disks, but not as much as a system failure. |
| 23:35.51 | MatBoy | shogunx, disks are not expensive these days |
| 23:35.53 | tictac | softraid? ick. |
| 23:36.20 | MatBoy | tictac, softraid is always bootable in every system with one or 2 disks... you can always recover them :) |
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| 23:36.39 | shogunx | tictac, oh, come on. like you really need a dedicated processor and memory and all for freaking disk. |
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| 23:36.46 | MatBoy | tictac, try it with a 3ware or areca when the controller fails ;) |
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| 23:37.09 | tictac | MatBoy: those fail much less than disks do. |
| 23:37.30 | stew | MatBoy: when your controller fails you are in just as bad of shape |
| 23:37.35 | shogunx | i had a dac960 i was partial to at one point though. |
| 23:37.45 | MatBoy | tictac, and if your disks fail on you controller ? you are really screwed :D |
| 23:37.49 | tictac | which is why you always have 2 forms of backup. |
| 23:37.57 | tictac | tape works wonders for that. |
| 23:38.08 | tictac | if its that serious, always have 2 or more backup solutions. |
| 23:38.09 | stew | that's also why i always have a spare 3ware card laying around too :) |
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| 23:38.19 | jelly-home | tictac: if you remember to verify the tapes... ;-) |
| 23:38.30 | Drivamgr2006 | Could some one please help? I have a user i am assisting who needs to upgrade his debian kernel. He tried to install libc6, but it wont install due to the old kernel, and when he tries to install the new kernel, it asks for libc6 as a dep. He is stuck in dependency hell. Anyone help? |
| 23:38.32 | tictac | jelly-home: i verify the tape before it comes out of the drive. |
| 23:38.32 | MatBoy | stew, nope... just boot knoppix and copy the files you need to another system :) |
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| 23:38.51 | stew | MatBoy: right, you put them onto another controller, same as me when a 3ware controller fails |
| 23:38.54 | MatBoy | stew, try that with a disk thatw as connected to a HW-controller |
| 23:39.00 | stew | MatBoy: same thing |
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| 23:39.15 | MatBoy | stew, 3ware is not that compatible with that |
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| 23:39.22 | stew | MatBoy: yes it is, i've done it this month |
| 23:39.22 | MatBoy | stew, areca is much more ! |
| 23:39.30 | stew | err last month |
| 23:39.35 | MatBoy | stew, you were very very lucky than !! |
| 23:39.36 | zocky | Drivamgr2006, I already asked that here :) |
| 23:39.38 | aXanaXa | can anyone here help with a syslog question? I have 7 Netgear FVS318 firewalls logging to a syslog server and I am wondering how I can filter their logging information to its own file such as /var/log/firewalls.log. I tried using local7.* and no dice. I am not sure the facility that Netgear uses. Is there a way that I can match expressions? For instance there is always the word ACE in each entry. |
| 23:39.59 | tictac | MatBoy: so. if your disk goes down that is running your softraid.. whaddya do then? |
| 23:40.02 | shogunx | !start a raid war |
| 23:40.14 | jelly-home | aXanaXa: syslog-ng has regexp matching, and much more |
| 23:40.14 | tictac | shogunx: haha. |
| 23:40.14 | stew | MatBoy: i've been very lucky quite a number of times, i've never had a problem, even when putting a 7800 in for a 6800 or a 7500 in for a 6800 |
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| 23:41.08 | shogunx | dpkg start a raid war is softraid is more better than hw raid. nuh uh! hw raid is more better. |
| 23:41.08 | MatBoy | stew, who, 2ware can be so tricky with it.. I have heard so many problems with them... for more than 4-6 drives I will only buy Areca |
| 23:41.09 | dpkg | shogunx: okay |
| 23:41.11 | aXanaXa | jelly-home, thanks I thought that might be the way I needed to go. Can you or someone suggest a firewall log analyzer as well? Need to make pretty charts and crap for presentations. |
| 23:41.36 | MatBoy | shogunx, hehe... ever seen benchmarks ? |
| 23:41.44 | stew | MatBoy: well so far my 3ware controllers have been flawless from 4-8 drives, i'm sticking with them :) |
| 23:41.45 | shogunx | nah |
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| 23:42.03 | shogunx | the dac960 did ok tho. |
| 23:42.15 | MatBoy | shogunx, so don't try to make a point than... SW-radi was most of the time faster than HWraid |
| 23:42.22 | shogunx | but so does the softraid. |
| 23:42.41 | shogunx | i was making a joke, actually. |
| 23:42.48 | MatBoy | shogunx, ok |
| 23:42.54 | MatBoy | !beer shogunx :D |
| 23:43.03 | stew | if speed is what you are after you should be using scsi anyway |
| 23:43.03 | tictac | MatBoy: faster is not always as reliable. |
| 23:43.04 | jelly-home | does softraid do hotspares and periodic rereading of the whole disks? |
| 23:43.38 | MatBoy | tictac, I have seen persons busy 2 days on recovering a failing HWraid1 setup... it takes me 5 minutes or less :) |
| 23:44.48 | MatBoy | tictac, you are on a number of disks that it is a good idea to think about HW, only because of the connectors (not SCSI affected) and management is more clear when you don;t know what you are doing :) |
| 23:45.28 | shogunx | the /proc interface is what i liked about the dac960 |
| 23:45.52 | tictac | so your saying you dont know anything about scsi connectors? |
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| 23:46.49 | shogunx | i liked echo 1 > /proc/something/or/other to rebuild. |
| 23:46.56 | shogunx | but that was long ago. |
| 23:47.01 | MatBoy | tictac, nope... SCSI is all on one interface on one card. Most Motherboeard or normal IDE or SATA cards doen;t have more than 4 connectores... you PCI-bus is a bottleneck than |
| 23:47.01 | max_m | How can I dump the BIOS model info for a system from /proc or in Linux? |
| 23:47.28 | shogunx | what would be smooth is a scsi interface accessible from redundant hosts. |
| 23:47.44 | MatBoy | shogunx, that is possible :) |
| 23:47.55 | max_m | shogunx: iscsi |
| 23:47.56 | tictac | MatBoy: i know what scsi is. i was just wondering wtf you were talking about |
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| 23:48.10 | shogunx | hmm. i will check that out. |
| 23:48.10 | jelly-home | MatBoy: you must be very lucky to have disks than can do more than 100 MHz * 32bit. |
| 23:48.14 | MatBoy | tictac, I only tell you the reason, not what SCSI is |
| 23:48.28 | max_m | jelly-home: doesn't take much anymore |
| 23:48.33 | MatBoy | jelly, but still... it's a bottleneck |
| 23:48.35 | max_m | jelly-home: pci isn't all that fast |
| 23:48.44 | max_m | jelly-home: filling 64 bit pci is a different story |
| 23:48.44 | jelly-home | MatBoy: it's not. |
| 23:48.52 | jelly-home | max_m: sorry, 33Mhz. |
| 23:48.53 | shogunx | pci-x helps a bit. |
| 23:48.57 | Nei | can someone point me to a quick howto 'modify packages', i.e. apt-get source (?) and then? |
| 23:49.10 | MatBoy | jelly-home, explain |
| 23:49.54 | jelly-home | MatBoy: a scsi controller can usually do 66MHz (or 100 or 133 on PCI-X) and is 64-bit wide. |
| 23:50.32 | jelly-home | MatBoy: so multiply and see what is the bottleneck. It's not PCI. |
| 23:50.34 | MatBoy | jelly, so ? I was talking between 2 cards when you run something like Raid5 between the disks connected on the card... |
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| 23:50.56 | MatBoy | jelly, that is not something I would recommend |
| 23:51.21 | jelly-home | MatBoy: you connect all the disks to a single card, and the card takes care of talking to the media. |
| 23:51.34 | kaeles | So if im running 2channel scs160 there won't be any bottleneck on my raid? |
| 23:51.42 | kaeles | other than the drives themselves? |
| 23:51.53 | kaeles | with a hardware controller. |
| 23:51.59 | MatBoy | jelly, yes but I was talking about more than 4 disks connected to simple PCI-cards.. they mostly have not more than 4 connectors for IDE or SATA |
| 23:52.13 | kaeles | Look at adaptec |
| 23:52.18 | MatBoy | kaeles, nope... on the same card it's not a problem |
| 23:52.19 | kaeles | they have 8 channel sata cards. |
| 23:52.22 | jelly-home | MatBoy: that's not what I would call hw raid. |
| 23:52.35 | kaeles | Yea, get a real scsi controller. |
| 23:52.37 | kaeles | lol |
| 23:52.39 | kaeles | ebay = good. |
| 23:52.40 | MatBoy | jelly-home, I was talking about SW-raid ;) |
| 23:52.46 | kaeles | I got one for 25 bucks. |
| 23:52.58 | shogunx | bah. ebay is the wal-mart of the internet, but for stolen goods. |
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| 23:53.19 | jelly-home | MatBoy: oh. a misunderstanding. |
| 23:53.29 | kaeles | My only problem is finding an enclosure for my sca drives :| |
| 23:53.30 | MatBoy | jelly-home, indeed :) NP ! |
| 23:53.50 | tictac | kaeles: sun storedge arrays work great |
| 23:54.06 | jelly-home | However these particulat hw scsi cards we have are still slower than softraid. ;-) |
| 23:54.15 | kaeles | Thanks tic tac |
| 23:54.20 | shogunx | kaeles, i see those go at government surplus all the time. |
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| 23:54.46 | shogunx | kaeles, unpopulated, of course. |
| 23:54.56 | MatBoy | jelly-home, I have seen the same here :) Raid0+1 10K SCSI against 7200rpm SATA disks :) |
| 23:55.02 | MatBoy | SATA was 150 |
| 23:55.17 | kaeles | i have drives |
| 23:55.23 | kaeles | i just need a durn enclosure |
| 23:55.24 | kaeles | or 2 |
| 23:55.25 | kaeles | :P |
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| 23:55.35 | kaeles | all the ones i see are hundreds. |
| 23:55.40 | kaeles | and thats a bit too high for me. |
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| 23:55.57 | Kilopopo | hey |
| 23:55.59 | Kilopopo | hi |
| 23:56.05 | Kilopopo | anyone using xgl here |
| 23:56.19 | jelly-home | kaeles: how many drives? |
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| 23:56.39 | kaeles | i have 8 at the moment. |
| 23:56.48 | kaeles | but my card supports 15 per channel |
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| 23:57.05 | kaeles | So if i could get like ... 2 12drive enclosures |
| 23:57.08 | kaeles | I would be happy. |
| 23:57.10 | kaeles | :P |
| 23:57.23 | shogunx | kaeles, look at this: http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=900021&convertTo=USD |
| 23:57.29 | kaeles | hell two 8drive enclosures would make me happy |
| 23:57.43 | tictac | kaeles: are they sca u160 drives? |
| 23:57.52 | stew | kaeles: for home, i just bought some aluminum stock, used an old at power supply and built the frankenraid: http://vireo.org/tmp/img_0004.jpg |
| 23:58.06 | Kilopopo | anyone using xgl here |
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| 23:58.22 | kaeles | well stew, I have SCA drives :| |
| 23:58.24 | shogunx | damn stew. |
| 23:58.30 | shogunx | thats hardcore. |
| 23:58.45 | kaeles | looks like my room |
| 23:58.46 | kaeles | lol |
| 23:59.05 | MatBoy | anyone ?? :) |
| 23:59.12 | kaeles | http://swosu.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30151309&id=177802860 |
| 23:59.15 | kaeles | errr |
| 23:59.19 | kaeles | http://photos-309.facebook.com/ip007/v21/238/25/177802860/n177802860_30151309_6310.jpg |
| 23:59.21 | kaeles | sorry |
| 23:59.27 | stew | shogunx: i just couldn't stand to pay for an expensive enclosure :) |
| 23:59.43 | shogunx | no doubt stew. |
| 23:59.51 | shogunx | that a cluster kaeles? |
| 23:59.59 | kaeles | it soon will be |
