| 00:00.01 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's still during the kernel boot phase |
| 00:00.23 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: hence my confusion |
| 00:00.40 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: it doesn't panic exactly, it says it's not found and waits a while, then dumps me into dash with nothing mounted anywhere |
| 00:00.49 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yeah, that's the initrd |
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| 00:01.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ah, so how exactly do i repair/rebuild/foobar the initrd |
| 00:01.23 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you should be able to just exit from dash, and have it continue on |
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| 00:02.19 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: except i don't want it doing this every time i boot |
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| 00:03.04 | jair | why on debian when I do a command like ps -aux... I get an error like this " |
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| 00:03.20 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes, just boot, fix your fstab, rebuild the inittab, and you should be ok |
| 00:03.25 | jair | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
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| 00:03.44 | jair | it is that a bog on debian stable sarge 3.1 |
| 00:03.44 | dondelelcaro | jair: uh... you're probably using something else as well. |
| 00:03.44 | jair | ? |
| 00:03.49 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: the fstab is "fixed" (on /dev/sda2 it references /dev/sda2), and i'm not sure what you mean by fixing inittab |
| 00:04.01 | BIAF | ok guys im in the command line now, but when i type edit autoexec.bat i get an error |
| 00:04.03 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: sorry, I meant rebuild the initrd |
| 00:04.04 | jair | dondelelcaro: nope this is the command I am running as user not as root. |
| 00:04.06 | jair | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 00:04.13 | jair | ps -aux |
| 00:04.20 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ah okay, will give it a shot thanks. would have never guessed the initrd. |
| 00:04.22 | BIAF | lol... |
| 00:04.24 | dondelelcaro | jair: yes, you'll get the warning, but it'll continue as usual |
| 00:04.25 | jair | dondelelcaro: are you on your debian box? |
| 00:04.37 | jair | dondelelcaro: exactly |
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| 00:04.38 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: but again.. how do i rebuild the initrd? it's not exactly something i do enough to memorize. |
| 00:04.40 | dondelelcaro | jair: I thought you meant that was all the output you got... |
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| 00:04.54 | jair | dondelelcaro: but my concern is why that annoying message? |
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| 00:05.09 | perlIsBetter | darn even the adobe reader fails me to rotate 90 deg a file that is sidewqys PDF |
| 00:05.14 | dondelelcaro | jair: because - doesn't get used with those options. The proper way of using them is ps aux |
| 00:05.16 | perlIsBetter | on windows I can do it |
| 00:05.18 | perlIsBetter | DMAN IT |
| 00:05.19 | SerajewelKS | jair: the - syntax is deprecated i guess. i've never used it. (though when i use HP-UX i have to remember to use '-ef') |
| 00:05.30 | dondelelcaro | perlIsBetter: eh? gv should have no problem with it |
| 00:05.34 | jair | dondelelcaro: not, it works and I actually have the result I want in all the commands but the message there could be annoying. |
| 00:05.51 | maikol | in need of opiion: im about to format my hdd and forsake windows forever. yes or no. |
| 00:05.55 | SerajewelKS | jair: so don't use -, or use 2>/dev/null |
| 00:06.05 | _robert | is there any way to start an ssh client instead of the bash in one tty, on booting? |
| 00:06.05 | jair | SerajewelKS: are you a HP-UX user also? |
| 00:06.11 | dondelelcaro | perlIsBetter: likewise xpdf... |
| 00:06.13 | BIAF | maikol, yes! yes! yes! |
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| 00:06.22 | SerajewelKS | maikol: this is #debian |
| 00:06.24 | maikol | BIAF thanks, thats all i needed |
| 00:06.25 | epsilon | perlIsBetter: tale an alternative pdf reader |
| 00:06.27 | SerajewelKS | maikol: we are not qualified to decide that for you |
| 00:06.33 | VolVE | hey all, noobie question time: how do I disable ACPI Grub's menu.lst file? :) |
| 00:06.33 | dondelelcaro | _robert: uh... just start a shell and run ssh? |
| 00:06.37 | jair | dondelelcaro: so any logic answer for that little detail on the debian systems? |
| 00:06.39 | SerajewelKS | jair: i do some maintenance of an HP-UX server |
| 00:06.57 | BIAF | but exspect alot of 'computer said no, computer said no on yhour next quest heeh |
| 00:06.59 | maikol | SerajewelKS i was going to install anyway, just need to know whether to keep windows or not |
| 00:07.01 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i think you missed my question, sorry for asking again. how exactly do i rebuild the initrd? i don't do it that often. |
| 00:07.06 | dondelelcaro | jair: the answer is that - is not valid syntax for those options; they don't take a - at all. - is still supported to be compatible, but its deprecated |
| 00:07.13 | SerajewelKS | maikol: again, that's not for us to decide |
| 00:07.17 | maikol | BIAF oh i know. this will be my second |
| 00:07.25 | BIAF | eheheh |
| 00:07.27 | maikol | SerajewelKS understood |
| 00:07.34 | _robert | hmm... and without starting the shell, but starting the ssh client direcly? |
| 00:07.42 | SerajewelKS | maikol: if you're asking if windows will conflict with debian, no. but whether you need to keep windows around is entirely dependent on what you want to do with your computer. |
| 00:07.45 | jair | SerajewelKS: that is very good to know. I do all my work on debian, but now I am starting work with Redhat and HP-UX, the reason why, is because in the company I work they are using SAP and ORACLE |
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| 00:07.49 | maikol | well, im off. lets hope all goes well |
| 00:07.50 | beardy | _robert: why? |
| 00:08.02 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you use mkinitrd |
| 00:08.06 | SerajewelKS | jair: yes, we are using informix and stuff |
| 00:08.08 | epsilon | I have 2 boxes running Windows and Linux each. why should I limit on one system and miss the feature of the other |
| 00:08.15 | BIAF | byes |
| 00:08.25 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: I don't remember the exact invocation, because I don't use it... but it should be fairly straightforward |
| 00:08.29 | SerajewelKS | jair: i'm still a newbie at it, and expect a lot of things to be there that aren't. and the shell is just awful :> |
| 00:08.30 | _robert | ...faster, easier... |
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| 00:08.38 | sandman | Well, the anjuta I installed from the unstable distribution appears to work like a charm |
| 00:08.39 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: alright, will investigate it, thanks for the help |
| 00:08.47 | sandman | It apparently was just the one in the testing distro |
| 00:08.50 | jair | SerajewelKS: hahaha |
| 00:08.51 | _robert | "easier".... |
| 00:08.51 | beardy | _robert: you make little sense, explain why you want to do that. |
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| 00:09.16 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: just out of curiosity, would it make sense that i boot from lilo, specifying 'root=/dev/sda2' and it still use /dev/hda6? |
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| 00:09.41 | jair | SerajewelKS: now SerajewelKS hey we need to keep in contact because we can help each other I think. |
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| 00:09.56 | _robert | i want to access to my server as it was one console (tty12) on my system |
| 00:09.57 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: that is to say, does the initrd have so much power to override kernel options? |
| 00:10.04 | jair | SerajewelKS: I hate the sh thing as well but I am learning how to use it remembering vi couple of tutorials. |
| 00:10.12 | SerajewelKS | jair: maybe, i'm not working on it right now, probably will in a few months though |
| 00:10.16 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it won't use it to actually mount the root filesystem, but the initrd may be checking for what it thinks is the root filesystem to make sure the root filesystem has spun up or been detected before it continues on with boot |
| 00:10.30 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ok, gotcha |
| 00:10.30 | oaoua | I've installed debian stable on software RAID 1..but when I try to poweroff, then unplug hda, it boots up with "error loading operating system" |
| 00:10.40 | jair | SerajewelKS: it is ok, I am working everyday on it so I am learning a lot. |
| 00:10.49 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: this is necessary for things like booting off of usb devices where it may take a few seconds for the device to become avaialble |
| 00:10.50 | beardy | _robert: So add more vt:s in your inittab. |
| 00:10.59 | jair | SerajewelKS: that is why I say, that I might be able to help you. |
| 00:10.59 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: *nods* |
| 00:11.10 | differentActGetD | well |
| 00:11.21 | differentActGetD | what is best debian manuel for learning networking? |
| 00:11.30 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: wait, i don't think you are understanding me |
| 00:11.31 | differentActGetD | I dont know shit about tcpip noteroking |
| 00:12.03 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: if i boot lilo (even off of /dev/sda), and tell it "root=/dev/sda2" *when /dev/hda is still plugged in*, /dev/hda6 gets mounted as /, not /dev/sda2 |
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| 00:12.27 | beardy | _robert: If you already use all of them. Or use screen. |
| 00:12.48 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: if it is the initrd's fault, it's doing a lot more than just waiting for hda to become available, because i explicitly requested the root to be /dev/sda2. but after boot 'mount' says it's /dev/hda6 still. |
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| 00:13.16 | Symmetria | lo all |
| 00:13.44 | Symmetria | anyone here who could look at http://pastebin.com/711927 and give me some indication of what might be causing that how I fix it |
| 00:13.59 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: are you following me? |
| 00:14.04 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: hrm... well, it is possible for the initrd to do a pivot_root, where it mounts the root filesystem itself, and then pivot_roots to actually boot... but it should be reading the root= option if it's doing that. |
| 00:14.35 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: well, somehow /dev/hda6 is getting in there |
| 00:14.37 | sandman | Is it just me, or is ooqstart-gnome useless now, as openoffice.org2 comes with its own applet? |
| 00:14.40 | _robert | and how do i open screen or ssh in a new tty? |
| 00:14.56 | SerajewelKS | _robert: you type "screen" |
| 00:15.17 | jelly-home | _robert: add it to /etc/inittab |
| 00:15.45 | jelly-home | _robert: if you want it to be always running on a specific vt. |
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| 00:16.04 | jair | SerajewelKS: If I want to install in a system Redhat, Debian, HP-UX, and Solaris, all of then can be handle by Grub? |
| 00:16.04 | WinBloz | hello |
| 00:16.20 | jair | SerajewelKS: I just make sure install debian at last. |
| 00:16.26 | SerajewelKS | jair: i don't see why not, but i've only used redhat and debian with grub |
| 00:16.39 | SerajewelKS | jair: for the other two you're on your own |
| 00:16.49 | WinBloz | Is there a Linux based solution for drag and drop web development, such as M$ Frontpage? |
| 00:17.04 | jelly-home | jair: btw (hi) what hardware can run both hpux and solaris? |
| 00:17.11 | SerajewelKS | WinBloz: several, mozilla for one |
| 00:17.21 | SerajewelKS | WinBloz: 'apt-cache search wysiwyg html editor' |
| 00:17.30 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: when you've booted like that, check what /proc/cmdline says |
| 00:17.38 | beardy | WinBloz: Probably. 'apt-cache search "html editor"' |
| 00:17.39 | jair | jelly-home: I am assuming that any HP or Compaq? |
| 00:17.59 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: right now i'm looking into rebuilding the initrd from /dev/hda6, specifying what i want root to be |
| 00:18.01 | WinBloz | how do you use Mozilla in that fashion? |
| 00:18.13 | SerajewelKS | WinBloz: there is a 'Mozilla Composer' component in mozilla |
| 00:18.18 | beardy | WinBloz: SOmemenu->Edit, probably |
| 00:18.32 | WinBloz | ahh got it |
| 00:18.35 | SerajewelKS | WinBloz: it should be in the "internet" menu of KDE or somesuch in GNOME |
| 00:18.36 | WinBloz | thank you both :) |
| 00:18.53 | jelly-home | jair: I think it runs only on itanium or risc (hppa). |
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| 00:19.27 | jair | jelly-home: you mean the HPUX? |
| 00:19.35 | jelly-home | jair: yes |
| 00:19.42 | jair | jelly-home: you may be right, I will need to ask them. |
| 00:20.10 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: seems 'mkinitrd -r /dev/sda2' is part of the puzzle, then just -o to /boot/initrd-whatever |
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| 00:21.02 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: hrm... -r probe should also work. |
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| 00:21.58 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: maybe but right now i don't exactly trust tools to get it right ;) |
| 00:22.39 | jair | jelly-home: are you from Europe? |
| 00:22.58 | sandman | Anyone here use ANjuta? I was wondering how to install the user manual... there doesn't appear to be an available candidate |
| 00:23.01 | jair | jelly-home: i am not sure if I have had talk with you before? |
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| 00:23.19 | jelly-home | jair: yes, and you have. |
| 00:23.29 | kevinv | Why Didn't anyone suggest Nvu to WinBloz? |
| 00:23.35 | GaiaX11 | how do i start mysql. Which is the command? |
| 00:23.41 | jair | hahaha |
| 00:23.55 | beardy | GaiaX11: It's running. |
| 00:24.04 | nevyn | GaiaX11: if you've installed it it's running |
| 00:24.08 | kevinv | GaiaX11: /etc/init.d/mysql start, I believe. |
| 00:24.08 | beardy | kevinv: Nobody knew, most likely. |
| 00:24.11 | differentActGetD | how do I get my mailserver configure on debian box |
| 00:24.14 | jair | jelly-home: and you are from croatia correct? |
| 00:24.18 | differentActGetD | a dumb redhat box has sendmail |
| 00:24.24 | differentActGetD | and I can send from it toother palces |
| 00:24.27 | differentActGetD | on local network |
| 00:24.29 | differentActGetD | but |
| 00:24.35 | beardy | !enter |
| 00:24.36 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 00:24.37 | differentActGetD | debian box wont send to foriegn domains |
| 00:24.55 | kevinv | beardy: Well, I would've suggested that or even Quanta. |
| 00:25.15 | beardy | kevinv: Then you should have been here. ;) |
| 00:25.16 | kevinv | They are most user friendly web editors for *NIX. |
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| 00:25.31 | kevinv | beardy: Sorry, had to take a phone call. |
| 00:25.40 | jelly-home | jair: correct, good memory. |
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| 00:25.53 | beardy | kevinv: And they are not found with 'apt-cache search "html editor"'? |
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| 00:26.54 | beardy | kevinv: Hehe, just kidding. You'll get other chances to answer that one. Or, since you seem to know of to such things, make a "wysiwyg html editor" factoid. |
| 00:26.59 | kevinv | beardy: Well concidering he might be a new Debian user, he may not know which one to choose, or which one would best suit him. For example, bluefish would pop up under html editor, that wouldn't be exactly what he would want. |
| 00:27.00 | beardy | s/to/two |
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| 00:27.35 | differentActGetD | how do I know what mailer daemon is running? |
| 00:27.37 | differentActGetD | anyone? |
| 00:27.50 | m0dY | anybody experienced here in grub? |
| 00:28.00 | beardy | m0dY: Just ask your question. |
| 00:28.31 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: nope, that didn't work |
| 00:28.34 | kevinv | differentActGetD: Well, if you didn't install another mail daemon since your base debian install, debian ships with Exim4. |
| 00:28.37 | jair | jelly-home: I am working in a company here that use SAP and Oracle, on HPUX versions 11.00 and 11.23 itanium and parisc |
| 00:28.40 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: when hda was plugged in, it happily mounted /dev/hda6 |
| 00:29.04 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: when hda was unplugged, i hit ^D and then it said it was unable to mknod /dev/hda6, and the kernel paniced |
| 00:29.15 | m0dY | well, i did somehow a remote os resotre procedure which i found that it failed and i managed to get a kvm access to the machine and i found that system boots and all it get is only empty grub loading and giving me the grub command line |
| 00:29.35 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: and this is using an initrd built with '-r /dev/sda2', from a lilo.conf that says root=/dev/sda2 |
| 00:30.03 | m0dY | how could i get control over the machine now through grub |
| 00:30.15 | jair | jelly-home: it is pretty exiting learn that other system from hpux, the only thing is the very weird sh that they use is like old version of vi. |
| 00:30.20 | m0dY | ?! |
| 00:30.23 | anabain | does anybbody know why with this in /etc/network/interfaces when doing /etc/init.d/networking restart it doesn't up eth0? iface eth0 inet static | address 192.168.0.1 | netmask 255.255.255.0 | broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
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| 00:30.40 | beardy | m0dY: Google grub documentation. (or wait until someone asnwers you step by step) |
| 00:30.40 | jair | SerajewelKS: what and where company do you work? |
| 00:30.44 | GeorgeS069 | yawg : did ya get it working? |
| 00:30.48 | yawg | yeah |
| 00:30.52 | SerajewelKS | jair: it's a student project at a university |
| 00:30.53 | yawg | it was the firewall :p |
| 00:30.57 | yawg | i had it configured right all along |
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| 00:31.02 | GeorgeS069 | cool:) |
| 00:31.07 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: so i'm at a completely loss to explain this |
| 00:31.08 | m0dY | much helpfull :) |
| 00:31.17 | jair | SerajewelKS: what university are you studing now? |
| 00:31.25 | SerajewelKS | jair: anderson university in IN |
| 00:31.30 | jair | SerajewelKS: how old are you may I know :) |
| 00:31.37 | SerajewelKS | jair: 20 |
| 00:31.43 | jair | SerajewelKS: you are not to far from me, I am in Chicago. |
| 00:31.57 | jair | SerajewelKS: interesting future my good friend ;) |
| 00:32.00 | SerajewelKS | jair: and i'm male, while we're going through the ASL drill |
| 00:32.00 | kevinv | m0dY: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
| 00:32.10 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
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| 00:32.14 | jair | ASL drill? |
| 00:32.19 | SerajewelKS | !asl |
| 00:32.19 | dpkg | serajewelks, American Sign Language isn't very useful on Internet Relay Chat Old enough, Yes please, My place. above sea level |
| 00:32.27 | SerajewelKS | -_- |
| 00:32.33 | GeorgeS069 | Age Sex Location |
| 00:32.33 | jair | haha |
| 00:32.38 | SerajewelKS | jair: it's aolbonics for age/sec/location |
| 00:32.50 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: and you've replaced the initrd and rerun lilo, right? |
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| 00:33.05 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: oh right, forgot to rerun lilo |
| 00:34.09 | jair | SerajewelKS: dondelelcaro I did the installation on a dual boot with a debian (installed first) and Fedora Core 5 (installed second) and I did not install the grub. So now when I boot I can only see the Debian grub menu and of course I can not see the FC5 :( |
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| 00:34.32 | dondelelcaro | jair: that's just a matter of switching the root filesystem to switch between the two |
| 00:34.42 | dondelelcaro | jair: why you'd want to do so, I really don't know... but it definetly is possible. |
| 00:34.53 | jair | I know if i put a like cd and I edit the grub menu I may get it boot, but I know is a way I can install the grub on the FC5. |
| 00:35.21 | beardy | kevinv: So, in your opinion, which wysiwyg htm editors are there, and which are the "best"/best to recommend to someone who needs one? |
| 00:35.28 | beardy | html |
| 00:35.55 | anabain | GeorgeS069, do you know why with this in /etc/network/interfaces when doing /etc/init.d/networking restart it doesn't up eth0? iface eth0 inet static | address 192.168.0.1 | netmask 255.255.255.0 | broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 00:36.08 | rxed | aww... I found out what the problem is. If you send an email to my alias you will get no reply from the vacation program. If you send message to my 'full' address, the vacation replys with a message. Why is this? |
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| 00:37.03 | kevinv | beardy: Well since the best rated and voted wysiwyg html editor is Nvu, I would recommend that one. |
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| 00:37.12 | GeorgeS069 | anabain : try ifconfig eth0 up |
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| 00:37.26 | beardy | kevinv: Please name the others you know about. |
| 00:37.46 | GeorgeS069 | not sure why it doesn't bring it up though |
| 00:37.52 | Drizzt321 | I want to have dpkg/apt-get ignore the fact that I have a very specific conflict(everything works fine at the moment though) when I do apt-get <install other apps>. How would I go about this, apt/preferences file? |
| 00:37.57 | anabain | GeorgeS069, this way it works... weird... |
| 00:38.00 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: now i get a kernel panic |
| 00:38.24 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: "attempted to kill init", while init complains that it can't create /dev/null (read-only filesystem) |
| 00:38.50 | anabain | I wanted to automate the interface eth0 activation, GeorgeS069 |
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| 00:39.13 | GeorgeS069 | anabain: It should startup on boot |
| 00:39.13 | SerajewelKS | anabain: do you have 'auto eth0' in your interfaces file |
| 00:39.34 | rxed | Any Postfix experts in here? My 'vacation' proggie doesn't respond to email's sent to my alias addresses. |
| 00:39.47 | SerajewelKS | rxed: i've had good luck with #postfix |
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| 00:39.58 | anabain | SerajewelKS, no. I have: iface eth0 inet static | address 192.168.0.1 | netmask 255.255.255.0 | broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 00:39.59 | jair | dondelelcaro: I will need to go check the grub configuration on the debian, or couple of how to documents to configure grub on the redhat |
| 00:40.08 | GeorgeS069 | postfix sux...use a stamp and support the USPS workers:) |
| 00:40.08 | SerajewelKS | anabain: well, put it in there then |
| 00:40.10 | rxed | SerajewelKS: everybody is asleep in there. |
| 00:40.28 | SerajewelKS | rxed: they usually notice messages in a short while |
| 00:40.45 | SerajewelKS | anabain: if you actually read 'man interfaces' it should become pretty obvious |
| 00:41.24 | kevinv | beardy: Quanta, Mozilla composer, a few GTK-based ones(I do not know the names off by heart). I mainly use Bluefish(PHP support is great). |
| 00:41.26 | differentActGetD | ok the default exim setup on debian 3.1 |
| 00:41.32 | differentActGetD | am I not able to send mail off box? |
| 00:41.36 | differentActGetD | ? |
| 00:41.39 | differentActGetD | bastards |
| 00:41.39 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ping |
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| 00:42.01 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:42.11 | anabain | SerajewelKS, I've read it, but quickly... :) |
| 00:42.15 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: and this time, tell it something other than "local mail only" |
| 00:42.24 | SerajewelKS | anabain: read it again, more carefully |
| 00:42.29 | anabain | ok |
| 00:42.29 | maikol | anyone have experience with a belkin usb ethrenet adapter |
| 00:42.36 | kevinv | beardy: A great feature of Quanta is that you can view in real-time both the HTML markup and the wysiwyg page. eg, you add HTML code the wysiwyg is updated, and vise-versa. |
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| 00:43.05 | Drizzt321 | I want to have dpkg/apt-get ignore the fact that I have a very specific conflict(everything works fine at the moment though) when I do apt-get <install other apps>. How would I go about this, apt/preferences file? |
| 00:43.25 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: what conflict do you have |
| 00:43.49 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: its with xserver-common |
| 00:44.00 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: a conflict involves two packages |
| 00:44.02 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: conflicting with x11-common I believe, or something like that. its a very fresh testing install |
| 00:44.11 | maikol | after i have compiled a driver, what files would i put onto a floppy to load it into the deb installer |
| 00:44.19 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: right. those two packages do indeed conflict, and you should remove one of them. |
| 00:44.38 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: remove xserver-common |
| 00:44.44 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: pong; that sounds like you've got something else going on there |
| 00:44.53 | anabain | SerajewelKS, do you mean the first paragraph after the examples? The one that starts: "Lines beginning with the word "auto" are used to identify the physical interfaces to be |
| 00:44.53 | anabain | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.54 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: no shit ;) |
| 00:45.04 | SerajewelKS | anabain: yes |
| 00:45.05 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: if I remove x11-common, it wants to remove _alot_ of other packages that break a bunch of other stuff, while if I remove xserver-common, it removes some scripts/apps I need to run startx as a regular user |
| 00:45.13 | SerajewelKS | anabain: put 'auto eth0' on the first line and it should work |
| 00:45.24 | anabain | yes, it works? thanx |
| 00:45.27 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: then you are not using the latest testing |
| 00:45.55 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: I did netstall, did not install much but used a mirror with the etch/testing target |
| 00:45.56 | anabain | SerajewelKS, (no "?" sign, of course) |
| 00:45.56 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: remove xserver-common, and then dist-upgrade |
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| 00:46.13 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: and it was the latest etch netstall iso I downloaded |
| 00:46.17 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: but at the moment i really have no clue what could be wrong. the filesystems are laregly identical. |
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| 00:46.36 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: this is a SATA drive, FWIW, needing sata_promise. not sure if that's in the initrd or not. |
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| 00:48.09 | limpio | is the size shown in 'apt-cache show' in bytes or kb? |
| 00:48.18 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: any thoughts on that otherwise? |
| 00:48.19 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: not sure then, all i know is xserver-common should not be there |
| 00:48.28 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: and you should remove it ASAP |
| 00:48.36 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: alright, I'll give it a shot |
| 00:48.48 | beardy | kevinv: "/msg dpkg wysiwyg html editor" usable? |
| 00:49.32 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: seems sata_promise is in the initrd |
| 00:49.43 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: so it must be something else, but i really have no clue what else it could be. |
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| 00:51.35 | GeorgeS069 | anabain: got it fixed now? |
| 00:52.25 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: hrm. well, when I remove that, do dist-upgrade, barely any packages are installed, and when I do startx as a regular user it complains about some entries in xserverrc and xinit exits with a server error. any ideas? |
| 00:52.37 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: hrm... /dev/null should be being created on a totally different tmpfs for devfs to work |
| 00:52.41 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: unfortunately no, it works ever here |
| 00:52.58 | limpio | join #fluxbox |
| 00:52.59 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: did you get that from an upgrade/dist-upgrade? or fresh install? |
| 00:53.02 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: perhaps udev or devfs are referencing hda6 somewhere? |
| 00:53.09 | anabain | yes, GeorgeS069 , it was the auto eth0. Now I'm trying to set up sharing internet connection between my two pcs in LAN... |
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| 00:53.12 | SerajewelKS | Drizzt321: dist-upgrade, been using testing for years |
| 00:53.23 | Drizzt321 | SerajewelKS: ah, ok |
| 00:53.28 | GeorgeS069 | anabain: yikes...good luck with that |
| 00:53.29 | SerajewelKS | anabain: iptables masquerading should do that |
| 00:53.34 | anabain | I have this small net: PC2--->eth0------>eth0---->PC1----->tap0------>internet |
| 00:53.47 | SerajewelKS | anabain: i did this with a dialup connection for some time |
| 00:53.51 | nevyn | anabain: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 00:53.57 | anabain | tap0 is ppp0 (I have adsl usb modem) |
| 00:54.10 | SerajewelKS | anabain: the modem has an eth port? |
| 00:54.19 | anabain | no |
| 00:54.23 | GeorgeS069 | usb |
| 00:54.32 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: i know, some modems have both |
| 00:54.38 | GeorgeS069 | true |
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| 00:55.00 | anabain | ppp0 inet addr:83.60.217.254 P-t-P:192.168.153.1 Mask:255.255.255.255 |
| 00:55.11 | anabain | tap0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 56:AB:17:E3:F2:10 |
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| 00:55.44 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i'm grepping the mounted fs on /dev/sda2 for 'hda' |
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| 00:56.56 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: if you have any other suggestions... |
| 00:57.20 | anabain | SerajewelKS, I must compile iptables-nat kernel support ? |
| 00:57.24 | servus | That's a manly grep you've got there, son, but I don't want you mounting fs anymore. |
| 00:57.31 | jbrimble | How do i set up a dns server? |
| 00:57.35 | jbrimble | I have no idea |
| 00:57.53 | SerajewelKS | anabain: if you're using a stock debian kernel, it should be there |
| 00:58.16 | anabain | no, it's a custom one |
| 00:58.23 | SerajewelKS | anabain: why? |
| 00:58.45 | servus | jbrimble: http://www.google.com/search?q=bind+dns+tutorial+debian |
| 00:58.45 | anabain | learning |
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| 00:58.57 | SerajewelKS | anabain: well, then i guess you get to learn how to build iptables-nat |
| 00:59.05 | SerajewelKS | anabain: or else install a stock kernel ;) |
| 00:59.18 | anabain | sure, :) |
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| 01:00.39 | Rebecca | hello people |
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| 01:01.08 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: ping? |
| 01:01.33 | Kichigai | Hello. |
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| 01:03.03 | Rebecca | i will be installing debian on an embedded system that uses compact flash for storage. im aware i will need to minimise writes done to the CF drive: no swap on the CF, placing /var/log on a ram disk.. |
| 01:03.29 | zinx | debian is probably not what you want |
| 01:03.54 | unstable | zinx: Why not? |
| 01:03.57 | Rebecca | im wondering if there are any other things i will have to consider. or if there exists any preconfigured scripts to make a debian install more CF friendly |
| 01:04.00 | SerajewelKS | dammit, sata should be easier to boot from than this |
| 01:04.04 | nurv | hello plp. I've serious problems with my debian testing/unstable. It's just freeze at time to time. It's not from RAM neither from any other hardware component. Please advice where can be the problem. I've read about power managment modules but I need more information and suggestions. Please help |
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| 01:04.07 | zinx | unstable: uhm, not you |
| 01:04.18 | Rebecca | zinx: why? |
| 01:04.24 | zinx | Rebecca: debian isn't really designed for that sort of system |
| 01:04.24 | unstable | zinx: What is wrong with debian on embede systems? |
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| 01:04.29 | unstable | zinx: yes it is |
| 01:04.35 | zinx | Rebecca: it will be a lot of work to make it not write to / |
| 01:04.51 | zinx | unstable: uhm, no it isn't |
| 01:04.51 | maikol | s there a reason why the installer is not loading my usb ports? |
| 01:05.20 | nurv | maikol, because they're not supported maybe |
| 01:05.21 | unstable | zinx: Why does debian support at least 13 different architectures then? |
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| 01:05.27 | unstable | zinx: ones like arm, that are used in embeded systems |
| 01:05.41 | zinx | Rebecca: you'll probably need to place all of /var in ram, but there are files that need to be saved across boots there |
| 01:05.47 | Rebecca | zinx: what other things would be writting frequently? it does not have to be readonly.. just no writting frequently |
| 01:06.04 | SerajewelKS | i've copied my / to /dev/sda2 (a SATA II drive). when i boot from it, init complains that it can't write to /dev/null or open /dev/console, and the kernel panics. |
| 01:06.13 | zinx | unstable: there are ARM systems that have much more hardware than typical embedded systems |
| 01:06.16 | maikol | nurv: usb ethernet adapter not supported? |
| 01:06.19 | SerajewelKS | how do i resolve this? |
| 01:06.35 | maikol | nurv: not even lsusb works |
| 01:06.39 | zinx | Rebecca: /var is specificly for stuff that is written frequently |
| 01:06.50 | Rebecca | the computer is a via epia 5000. debian seems perfect for it |
| 01:06.59 | nurv | maikol, it could be not, huh lsusb is other thing. I've no idea about that |
| 01:07.09 | Rebecca | zinx: could i not put /var on a ramdisk too? |
| 01:07.47 | maikol | anyone know why lsusb doesnt work on the debian installer |
| 01:07.49 | SerajewelKS | Rebecca: /var can get pretty big... |
| 01:08.04 | SerajewelKS | maikol: maybe usb kernel modules aren't loaded? |
| 01:08.26 | maikol | SerajewelKS: which ones need to be loaded |
| 01:08.39 | Rebecca | hmmm.. it will be a very minimal system. no gui |
| 01:08.42 | unstable | Rebecca: yes you could. |
| 01:08.45 | SerajewelKS | maikol: not sure |
| 01:08.53 | unstable | Rebecca: You could set it up, so once the ram disk is full, it writes to the primary disk |
| 01:09.29 | Rebecca | and i can put upto 1gig of ram in it. which should be enough space for the ramdisks |
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| 01:10.01 | maikol | SerajewelKS: do you know how to load a driver onto a floppy? |
| 01:10.02 | zinx | Rebecca: as i say.. some of the files in /var need to be persistent |
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| 01:10.10 | zinx | Rebecca: trashing them on reboot is not a wise idea |
| 01:10.49 | Rebecca | zinx: that's ok. i can sync /var to the CF during shutdown |
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| 01:10.58 | anabain | SerajewelKS, are you using grub? |
| 01:11.51 | SerajewelKS | anabain: lilo |
| 01:12.30 | anabain | oh! I had a weird problem months ago when trying to change fromm reiserfs to ext3 |
| 01:12.51 | SerajewelKS | anabain: i'm moving from IDE to SATA |
| 01:12.58 | SerajewelKS | anabain: and linux is having an absolute fit about it |
| 01:13.17 | dv_ | btw |
| 01:13.29 | maikol | does the installer require internet access? |
| 01:13.46 | SerajewelKS | maikol: is it the netinstall or the 14-cd set |
| 01:13.57 | maikol | 1 cd |
| 01:14.04 | maikol | didnt make all 14 |
| 01:14.05 | SerajewelKS | maikol: then it sure as hell needs net access |
| 01:14.09 | SerajewelKS | maikol: wait |
| 01:14.16 | Gnea | maikol: no |
| 01:14.18 | SerajewelKS | maikol: is it the first CD of the set, or is it the netinstall? |
| 01:14.25 | maikol | first cd of set |
| 01:14.29 | SerajewelKS | maikol: then no |
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| 01:15.03 | maikol | would you know how to save the necessary files for build-essential package onto a cd |
| 01:15.27 | SerajewelKS | maikol: why not use the netinstall... |
| 01:15.38 | maikol | cause it doesnt have an ethernet card |
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| 01:16.13 | anabain | SerajewelKS, I had essential files corrupted when making the change, such as /boot/grub/device.map, which pointed to the wrong place. There were occasions in which I got a /dev/console panic |
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| 01:16.34 | Gnea | maikol: other than burning the rest of the cds, you'll just have to install what's on the first cd then wait till you get a nic for it |
| 01:16.37 | SerajewelKS | anabain: i'm not using grub |
| 01:16.45 | mz_work | looking for a tool (cli or gui is fine) to easily switch network configs on my laptop - @ work i need a proxy but not @ home |
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| 01:16.59 | smagy2 | hello folks, can some one please point me to docs that have summaries of each of the proc enteries. i found a doc a real while ago but i can't find it anymore |
| 01:17.03 | maikol | Gnea i just need to know where to get the .deb files |
| 01:17.15 | SerajewelKS | mz_work: for all apps, or just one? |
| 01:17.28 | Gnea | maikol: on any repo site |
| 01:17.29 | mz_work | SerajewelKS: all apps |
| 01:17.30 | Gnea | !mirror |
| 01:17.34 | Gnea | !mirrors |
| 01:17.34 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 01:17.41 | amphi | smagy2: Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in the kernel src, IIRC |
| 01:17.49 | SerajewelKS | mz_work: don't think there is one. for firefox there is an extension that will do this for firefox with one click. |
| 01:18.22 | SerajewelKS | mz_work: although, you could set the HTTP_PROXY envvar.. dunno if most gui programs honor that though |
| 01:18.28 | SerajewelKS | mz_work: would require change/logout/login |
| 01:18.45 | mz_work | SerajewelKS: hmm i did think of making 2 diff /usr/share/xsesions/<wm>.desktop files then just choose appropriately |
| 01:19.02 | differentActGetD | what are the commands to stop or start mysql under debian? |
| 01:19.14 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: /etc/init.d/mysql start|stop|reboot |
| 01:19.17 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: restart* |
| 01:19.17 | differentActGetD | is debain more production ready than redhat? |
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| 01:19.26 | anabain | SerajewelKS, I know, but perhaps it's a good idea to check all lilo related files (in grub I had to delete *all* files in /boot/grub except menu.lst, otherwise devices.map didn't update even though I reinstalled grub) |
| 01:19.27 | SerajewelKS | !debain |
| 01:19.27 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 01:19.43 | differentActGetD | debian |
| 01:19.52 | differentActGetD | is it debb eee an |
| 01:19.54 | SerajewelKS | anabain: only file is /etc/lilo.conf, which has been updated |
| 01:19.57 | differentActGetD | or deeb ee en |
| 01:20.07 | mz_work | redhat is production ready? seemed kind of beta to me :P |
| 01:20.13 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: how do you pronounce the name 'Ian'? |
| 01:20.18 | differentActGetD | redhat crushes my balls daily at work |
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| 01:20.32 | differentActGetD | ee en |
| 01:20.33 | mz_work | differentActGetD: put your balls elsewhere? |
| 01:20.35 | smagy2 | amphi: thanks |
| 01:20.40 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: deb-ee-en then |
| 01:20.55 | differentActGetD | so deeeb not debbb |
| 01:21.05 | differentActGetD | rhymes with dewwb |
| 01:21.06 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: but not 'deeb' because deb is short for 'debra' and you don't say 'dee-bruh' |
| 01:21.24 | differentActGetD | oh debra and ian? |
| 01:21.31 | differentActGetD | who were they the founders? |
| 01:21.36 | differentActGetD | or founder +wife? |
| 01:21.42 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: ian was the founder, deb was his GF (i think) |
| 01:21.48 | differentActGetD | ahh |
| 01:21.49 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: check wikipedia's page on debian |
| 01:21.51 | differentActGetD | so im right |
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| 01:22.01 | differentActGetD | its debh ian |
| 01:22.09 | differentActGetD | not deebe ian |
| 01:22.16 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: right |
| 01:22.18 | differentActGetD | k |
| 01:22.30 | differentActGetD | im gald when im right next thing is it linn uxx |
| 01:22.35 | differentActGetD | or line ux |
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| 01:22.53 | differentActGetD | I think im wrong on thsi one |
| 01:22.59 | differentActGetD | since linus wasmaker |
| 01:23.10 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: that one is harder to nail down. i believe linus says it like 'lihn-ihx' |
| 01:23.19 | differentActGetD | lin ixx |
| 01:23.24 | differentActGetD | thats how i say it! |
| 01:23.29 | differentActGetD | line ux sounds bad to me |
| 01:23.36 | differentActGetD | damn i may be right on the money spot on eh? |
| 01:23.39 | differentActGetD | well |
| 01:23.46 | SerajewelKS | !tell differentActGetD about enter |
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| 01:23.52 | differentActGetD | I install jboss tomcat5.5.17 and java 5.0 on debian with ease |
| 01:24.02 | differentActGetD | and no one will put debian inproduction here |
| 01:24.05 | differentActGetD | fuckers |
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| 01:24.17 | SerajewelKS | differentActGetD: please read what dpkg just told you |
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| 01:24.20 | differentActGetD | sry |
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| 01:25.45 | SerajewelKS | anabain: according to this page, it will say that if it couldn't mount the root properly. the root is /dev/sda2 on a SATA drive, and requires sata_promise to be loaded. |
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| 01:26.03 | SerajewelKS | anabain: AFAICT the initrd does contain sata_promise.ko, so why shouldn't it be able to mount the root? |
| 01:26.17 | us0r | i'm trying to get shorewall 3 through apt, i'm running stable, and it's in testing and unstable. I made a preferences file and wrote this-> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=13995291 <- in it, but when i run the install command, it tells me that the package is not found. i've already run apt-get update. what do I need to do to get this package? |
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| 01:27.56 | godmachine81 | us0r, its in testing and unstable?? |
| 01:28.08 | godmachine81 | so you have unstable and testing sources? |
| 01:28.29 | us0r | godmachine81: according to http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=shorewall, it is |
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| 01:29.02 | godmachine81 | us0r, try apt-get install shorewall |
| 01:29.15 | us0r | godmachine81: it says the package is not found |
| 01:29.24 | godmachine81 | pm me us0r |
| 01:29.46 | SerajewelKS | !in the channel |
| 01:29.46 | dpkg | i heard in the channel is Stay in the channel unless someone gives you permission to private message them. |
| 01:29.48 | kevinv | I use Firestarter for GUI firewall when I need a GUI-based firewall. |
| 01:30.05 | godmachine81 | SerajewelKS, and that i did :D |
| 01:30.14 | SerajewelKS | godmachine81: well i thought it would say more |
| 01:30.19 | godmachine81 | lol |
| 01:30.30 | SerajewelKS | godmachine81: the idea is that keeping it in the channel benefits others, as they might need the same solution. |
| 01:30.33 | godmachine81 | i was just going to paste him a sources.list for unstable to use to get that |
| 01:30.39 | SerajewelKS | godmachine81: ah |
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| 01:31.14 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: reping? |
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| 01:31.19 | kevinv | I sounds bad when I say I am addicted to Linux, Linux sounds like the name of some sort of street drug for those who have never heard the term before. |
| 01:31.43 | godmachine81 | kevinv, ahh addiction is addiction |
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| 01:31.52 | godmachine81 | no one addiction is better or worse than another |
| 01:31.57 | amphi | kevinv: it probably doesn't sound great to those who do understand the term ;) |
| 01:31.57 | godmachine81 | they all end up in control of your life |
| 01:32.02 | kevinv | But Linux is a drug for your computer that makes it feel better :P |
| 01:32.19 | kevinv | Windows is virii that's waiting to explode. |
| 01:32.21 | us0r | did you get my pm, godmachine81? |
| 01:32.29 | godmachine81 | no i didnt us0r |
| 01:32.56 | amphi | kevinv: but it's not your computer you say is addicted... |
| 01:32.59 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: right now linux is a thing making my life extremely difficult |
| 01:33.17 | kevinv | Who has seen that Linux Adict wallpaper from KDE3.3 and prior to it? |
| 01:33.27 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i've seen it, yes |
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| 01:33.40 | davien | hi |
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| 01:34.29 | kevinv | I like that wallpaper, and wallpapers like. Anime Tux wallpapers are more needed. KDE3.5.2 has none at the moment. :( |
| 01:34.39 | us0r | godmachine81: it seems to not be working, then. i don't have testing or unstable set in my sources.list but i have the afformentioned prefrences file set. do i need to put testing or unstable in my sources.list, and if so, how do I ensure that shorewall is the only package that installs from testing or unstable? |
| 01:35.17 | SerajewelKS | let me rephrase my question: if i'm moving a debian install to a SATA drive, what besides lilo.conf and fstab need to be updated for the kernel to not panic? |
| 01:35.19 | davien | anyone knows the game nexuiz? |
| 01:36.07 | dvs | SerajewelKS: the master boot record? |
| 01:36.19 | SerajewelKS | dvs: yes, of course |
| 01:36.30 | dvs | !prize me |
| 01:36.33 | SerajewelKS | dvs: it's booting from the SATA drive, it's just panicing |
| 01:36.34 | dvs | yay! |
| 01:36.51 | davien | are there any debian packages for it? |
| 01:37.02 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: What's the panic about? |
| 01:37.23 | davien | i mean its 100% free |
| 01:37.30 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: "not killing init" or somesuch. which usually means init can't do what i needs to. the previous lines say that i cannot write to /dev/null or open /dev/console |
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| 01:37.53 | us0r | <SerajewelKS> the kernel image |
| 01:38.00 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Did you try updating the initrd? |
| 01:38.08 | SerajewelKS | us0r: uhm, i doubt i need to update the kernel |
| 01:38.21 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i did, with 'mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-whatever -r /dev/sda2' |
| 01:38.36 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: that keeps it from using /dev/hda6 (even though lilo was told to use /dev/sda2) |
| 01:38.48 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: so now it just panics instead of using the wrong root |
| 01:39.17 | us0r | godmachine81: did you get my last message? |
| 01:39.21 | godmachine81 | yes |
| 01:39.50 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: this is a SATA drive, and needs sata_promise in the kernel. |
| 01:40.03 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: the .ko is in the initrd, but i'm not entirely sure that it's being loaded |
| 01:40.03 | godmachine81 | us0r if you just want to install one deb package i would suggest that you either use your browser to download that package, or use wget to download it, then use dpkg instead of apt-get to install it |
| 01:40.16 | godmachine81 | that way you don't have to do anything with your sources.list |
| 01:40.25 | us0r | godmachine81: ok, thanks |
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| 01:40.39 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Where did you build the initrd? On the SATA drive, or build it on the old drive? |
| 01:40.42 | godmachine81 | the command you will need to use is dpkg -i package.deb |
| 01:40.49 | us0r | godmachine81: where in the apt repositories are the deb's kept? |
| 01:40.52 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: in a chroot of the new drive |
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| 01:41.00 | godmachine81 | us0r, check your pm |
| 01:41.02 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: (keep in mind that i can't boot from the new drive) |
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| 01:41.15 | us0r | godmachine81: pm was not recieved |
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| 01:41.39 | godmachine81 | ok hang on ill paste you a link to shorewall 3 |
| 01:42.05 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Then the initrd should be checking the depends on what it needs to boot from that type of root partition. Did you try to add a busybox to the initrd and atleast get a shell to debug the problem manually? |
| 01:42.50 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: no, when it comes to the boot process i don't fiddle around much, i just want it to work. |
| 01:42.55 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: In the initrd with the busybox shell opened, issue a 'lsmod' and check what is loaded. |
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| 01:43.44 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: truth is i'm not even sure how to put busybox in there so it will run if the kernel panics. |
| 01:44.31 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i do see some lines about 'sata_promise'. not sure if it's coming from the module or not |
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| 01:44.42 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i almost want to take a picture of it and upload it |
| 01:45.29 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: you would change a setting in /etc/mkinitramfs under testing. |
| 01:45.57 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: yeah, which setting and what do i change it to? |
| 01:47.24 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i've been working on this for over eight hours. i'm not really super interested in trying things. i want it to work, right now. |
| 01:47.33 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Firstly, are you using sarge or testing? They are a bit different in this type of configuration |
| 01:47.39 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: etch |
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| 01:48.34 | godmachine81 | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/shorewall/shorewall_3.0.7-1_all.deb there you go us0r |
| 01:48.35 | jbrimble | maybe someone can assist me with this.. it's not really related to debian, though. |
| 01:48.37 | jbrimble | I have a dyndns.org account.. when i go into my domain configuration (on their website) i have The option to configure Primary Name Server, Secondary Name server, etc.. do i put my dyndns address in there? |
| 01:48.40 | Stevie | blah. |
| 01:49.01 | jbrimble | if i want my domain to redirect to my dyndns.org address |
| 01:49.08 | us0r | godmachine81: thanks |
| 01:49.12 | godmachine81 | np |
| 01:49.14 | SerajewelKS | jbrimble: you leave those blank |
| 01:49.28 | jbrimble | they already have stuff in them |
| 01:49.35 | SerajewelKS | jbrimble: then don't touch them |
| 01:49.53 | Stevie | i hand-edited xorg.conf. Now I want dpkg-reconfigure to regenerate it. I followed the directions listed in the comments (something about md5sums), but my conf still doesn't get replaced |
| 01:49.54 | jbrimble | Then how do i redirect my domain to my server? |
| 01:50.04 | SerajewelKS | jbrimble: add a "web redirect" or something similar |
| 01:50.07 | Stevie | and I get the message 'xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 01:50.14 | Stevie | customized' |
| 01:50.33 | SerajewelKS | !xmd5 |
| 01:50.34 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 01:50.44 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Well seems like there was some extreme changes made to the initrd since sarge, in sarge you could add busybox to the initrd by one simple variable. etch/testing has changed that. It's now more difficult, sorry to say. |
| 01:50.51 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: except use xorg.conf |
| 01:51.15 | SerajewelKS | dpkg: and it's in /etc/X11 |
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| 01:51.35 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: *sigh* |
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| 01:51.46 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: surprisingly, windows has accepted this change easily |
| 01:51.54 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: linux has been an absolute bitch about it |
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| 01:53.43 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Maybe support isn't in the kernel, if you did want to check what is contained in the initrd(eg. modules), use the '-k' option with mkinitramfs. |
| 01:54.02 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i know the initrd has sata_promise.ko in it |
| 01:54.21 | Stevie | oh |
| 01:54.22 | Stevie | HAHA |
| 01:54.29 | Stevie | the directions in the file are wrong |
| 01:54.41 | Stevie | someone didn't change it correctly for xorg |
| 01:54.51 | SerajewelKS | Stevie: yeah, that's what i told you |
| 01:55.02 | fas3r | why vlc don't read in direct files whose i want to read under local network .. and after, then the movie or other was finich i didn't remove file in /var/tmp/ :s |
| 01:55.07 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: But is it being loaded? Can you take a snapshot of the kernel panic? |
| 01:55.24 | godmachine81 | us0r: did that work when you used dpkg? |
| 01:55.27 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i think it is being loaded |
| 01:55.38 | us0r | godmachine81: yes, that worked just fine. thanks again :) |
| 01:55.48 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: There maybe something there that may help. |
| 01:55.50 | godmachine81 | no prob |
| 01:56.19 | jbrimble | i've just installed webmin via apt-get.. how do i run it? |
| 01:56.23 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: let me check |
| 01:56.52 | godmachine81 | us0r, are you using sarge? |
| 01:57.02 | us0r | godmachine81: yes |
| 01:57.23 | godmachine81 | ok sarge probably was using shorewall 2.x wasnt it? |
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| 01:58.34 | GeorgeS069 | jbrimble : if it's running just point your browser to https://127.0.0.1:10000/ |
| 01:58.40 | Stevie | okay |
| 01:58.45 | Stevie | what the hell is wrong with my system |
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| 01:59.04 | godmachine81 | Stevie, whats happening? |
| 01:59.24 | Stevie | well |
| 01:59.30 | kevinv | anyone here ask dpkg about 'bill gates'? |
| 01:59.45 | godmachine81 | ??bill gates |
| 01:59.49 | Stevie | dpkg said it's not replacing /etc/X11/X because it's been customized, but /etc/X11/X is a symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 01:59.50 | dpkg | Stevie: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 01:59.54 | GeorgeS069 | I heard Bill was quitting MS |
| 01:59.57 | godmachine81 | whats the trigger |
| 02:00.01 | Stevie | the program, not the bot |
| 02:00.32 | godmachine81 | Stevie, thats normal |
| 02:00.40 | godmachine81 | did you just do a dist upgrade? |
| 02:00.44 | Stevie | what part is normal? |
| 02:00.48 | godmachine81 | the first part is |
| 02:00.58 | Stevie | that it's not replacing /etc/X11/X ? |
| 02:01.01 | godmachine81 | did you just switch from xfree to xorg? |
| 02:01.07 | maikol | i found the build-essential packages on the cd. after completeing deb install, i can apt-get install from the cd? |
| 02:01.27 | Stevie | Maybe? |
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| 02:01.34 | Stevie | I can't remember what I had on this machine |
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| 02:01.46 | Stevie | I didn't *think* I ever had xfree86 on here, but my memory is fuzzy |
| 02:02.05 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: it is loading sata_promise |
| 02:02.21 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: but then it says something like: mount: Unknown filesystem type 'devfs' |
| 02:02.55 | dvs | SerajewelKS: devfs isn't part of the kernel anymore |
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| 02:04.03 | Stevie | gah. wtf |
| 02:04.19 | Stevie | dpkg-reconfigure won't even generate a *new* xorg.conf |
| 02:04.20 | SerajewelKS | dvs: i know that. but that doesn't help me figure out wtf is wrong with mkinitrd. |
| 02:04.31 | Jesset77 | What's the command in aptitude or apt to show you the files installed with a given package? I recall on Redhat it was rpm -qli <pkgname> |
| 02:04.44 | Stevie | dpkg -L |
| 02:04.50 | Stevie | dpkg -L yourpackagenamehere |
| 02:04.50 | dvs | SerajewelKS: You're trying to make an initrd image? |
| 02:04.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching yourpackagenamehere |
| 02:04.57 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: btw in testing it seems i can just say 'BUSYBOX=yes' in mkinitrd.conf |
| 02:04.58 | Jesset77 | haha |
| 02:05.01 | SerajewelKS | dvs: i kind of have to |
| 02:05.08 | StereoSkit | !dpkg |
| 02:05.08 | dpkg | [dpkg] I AM A BOT YOU CAN NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME! or dpkg is the base of the Debian PacKaGe management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get> <apt> |
| 02:05.16 | crn | Stevie, if it's like sarge it won't change it if you've changed it. |
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| 02:05.22 | SerajewelKS | dvs: for some reason the initrd was forcing root=/dev/hda6 |
| 02:05.26 | en0x | hey anyone spanish here? |
| 02:05.29 | bztunk | no |
| 02:05.35 | SerajewelKS | dvs: so i rebuilt with '-r /dev/sda2' |
| 02:05.44 | SerajewelKS | dvs: now it wants to use devfs for something |
| 02:05.47 | en0x | i need someone to translate something for me |
| 02:05.47 | Stevie | crn: But I want it to change it. How do I tell it to do what I want it to do? |
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| 02:05.57 | StereoSkit | !cow |
| 02:05.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cow is a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/, or http://www.nichtlustig.de/toondb/050529.html, or the apt-get easter egg which says moo |
| 02:06.03 | GeorgeS069 | I'm trying to setup X and it's asking me for the video card's bus identifier?where would I find that? lspci?? |
| 02:06.04 | SerajewelKS | dvs: after that error message it spits out that it can't open /dev/null or /dev/console, then the kernel panics |
| 02:06.07 | kevinv | dvs, SerajewelKS: devfs =< kernel 2.4.? |
| 02:06.26 | dvs | kevinv: Yeah, it's been superceded by udev |
| 02:06.34 | SerajewelKS | dvs, kevinv: i'm on 2.6.15, using udev |
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| 02:06.55 | SerajewelKS | i do still have 2.6.12 installed, maybe mkinitrd is building an initrd for that kernel by mistake? |
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| 02:07.37 | dvs | SerajewelKS: I'd use yaird instead of mkinitrd |
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| 02:07.43 | llvllatrix | Is there any way to enable toshiba kernel support without building a custom kernel? |
| 02:07.52 | SerajewelKS | dvs: ah, i do have that installed, don't i :> |
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| 02:08.03 | dvs | SerajewelKS: how should I know? |
| 02:08.05 | kevinv | dvs, SerajewelKS: Something doesn't completely connect here. why does it refer to devfs on kernel 2.6.? |
| 02:08.12 | SerajewelKS | dvs: no i was saying i do have it installed |
| 02:08.33 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: afaik 2.6.12 used devfs |
| 02:08.36 | dvs | SerajewelKS: use it instead |
| 02:08.40 | crn | Stevie, check the top of xorg.conf to see if it answers your question. |
| 02:08.44 | SerajewelKS | dvs: how do i specify the root FS with yaird? |
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| 02:08.57 | Stevie | crn: Which part of the top of xorg.conf are you referring to? |
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| 02:09.10 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Do you have a custom kernel? |
| 02:09.18 | crn | Stevie, the comments at the top |
| 02:09.19 | SerajewelKS | dvs: because it seems by default it wants to use /dev/hda6 for some reason, even if i unplug the ribbon cable to /dev/hda6 it insists on it (regardless of root=/dev/sda2 in lilo or on the lilo command line) |
| 02:09.36 | Stevie | crn: The whole top of it is comments. Please be slightly more specific. |
| 02:09.37 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: no, stock 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 02:09.58 | crn | Stevie, ok let me look at xfree86.conf |
| 02:10.24 | Stevie | okay, I just apt-get remove'd xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-core |
| 02:10.27 | Stevie | then I reinstalled them. |
| 02:10.29 | Stevie | And I got |
| 02:10.35 | Stevie | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 02:10.56 | Stevie | cool! It also added an *empty* xorg.conf |
| 02:11.22 | crn | Stevie, in sarge it's the last 6 lines |
| 02:11.56 | Stevie | well, crn, I don't have an xorg.conf anymore. Well, I have one, but it's blank. |
| 02:12.06 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: it seems yaird probes for a root device. how do i override what it wants root to be? |
| 02:12.27 | Stevie | how do I tell apt to forget anything it ever thought it knew about X being installed? |
| 02:12.28 | crn | Stevie, ok do dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 02:14.25 | SerajewelKS | kevinv, dvs: hrm, it seems to use /etc/fstab to find what / is. since i chrooted before running yaird just now, it should work. |
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| 02:15.40 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: I have never used yaird before. |
| 02:15.40 | Stevie | WTF |
| 02:15.40 | crn | Stevie, in sarge dexconf gives you a config file based on your answers at installation. You can change it by doing dpkg-reconfigue xserver-xorg |
| 02:15.40 | Stevie | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 02:15.45 | Stevie | what makes it think X has been "customized" ? |
| 02:15.51 | Stevie | there's no X |
| 02:15.54 | Stevie | I said go away X |
| 02:16.45 | crn | Stevie, you need to change the md5 sum according to the instructions in the xorg.conf file. Last six lines |
| 02:16.56 | Stevie | crn, you don't seem to understand. I deleted it. |
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| 02:17.12 | Stevie | /etc/X11/X is a dangling symlink to /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 02:17.24 | crn | Stevie, it sees something that it wont change |
| 02:17.35 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: same error |
| 02:17.37 | Stevie | okay. what something does it see? |
| 02:17.45 | SerajewelKS | dvs: too |
| 02:17.51 | GeorgeS069 | could someone take a look at my lspci output and see if it looks ok....http://pastebin.com/712082 |
| 02:18.30 | crn | Stevie, an xorg.conf file with the a md5 check sum that is different from what it expects |
| 02:18.43 | GeorgeS069 | sems like it sees the ATI stuff but,also says they are "unknown" |
| 02:19.01 | Stevie | crn: Here is the problem: It should not be expecting an xorg.conf file with ANY sort of checksum |
| 02:19.01 | crn | Stevie, can you run dexconf? |
| 02:19.04 | Stevie | I removed xorg |
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| 02:19.56 | Stevie | are you following me here? there is no xorg anymore. There shouldn't be, anyway. |
| 02:20.05 | crn | Stevie, look in /etc/X11 (on sarge) if you didn't purge it, the conf files are still there |
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| 02:20.26 | Stevie | There is a lot of stuff in /etc/X11. But no xorg.conf |
| 02:20.27 | SerajewelKS | Stevie: did you purge or remove xorg? |
| 02:20.33 | crn | Stevie, remove does not equal purge |
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| 02:20.40 | Stevie | apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core |
| 02:20.54 | SerajewelKS | dvs: 'yaird --test | grep devfs' shows nothing |
| 02:21.00 | SerajewelKS | dvs: i still think it's building an initrd for 2.6.12 |
| 02:21.01 | crn | Stevie, ok |
| 02:21.07 | kenoan | pls recommend a site which allows uploading of text file. |
| 02:21.13 | SerajewelKS | kenoan: pastebin.ca |
| 02:21.30 | crn | Stevie, what happens with dexonf? |
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| 02:21.48 | Stevie | what is dexconf? |
| 02:21.56 | Stevie | and how does it differ from dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:22.07 | kenoan | SerajewelKS: i think i have been there. it only allows paste. i want to upload a file. |
| 02:22.18 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: I would suggest using a busybox to debug the problem, it would solve what is and isn't being loaded. Plus would be able to give more information to solve the problem. |
| 02:22.30 | crn | Stevie, it is the program that processed your answers during orignal configuration. man dexonf |
| 02:22.52 | SerajewelKS | kenoan: it allows upload |
| 02:22.57 | evilbulgarian | hi, question i have 4 ide disk @ raid5 on an megaraid i4 ide raid controller. one drive failed! trying to replace the failed drive i removed the wrong one and that made the bios of the card say 2 failed drives. I put the mistaken drive back and replaced the "real" failed drive with a new one. Is it still possible to recover from that? |
| 02:23.04 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: I remember having this problem before, but it was when I created a faulty LiveCD one time using Debian. |
| 02:23.09 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i *know* sata_promise is being loaded. the question is why is it trying to use devfs. |
| 02:23.17 | kenoan | SerajewelKS: thks. i'll take a look again. |
| 02:23.22 | bkudria | i use autofs as an automounter, and it loads the "autofs4" kernel module on boot...but this module triggers a bug whcih does not appear if i use the "autofs" module. i can switch manually, but it goes back to "autofs4" on boot...what setting do i change to make it use "autofs"? thanks! |
| 02:23.27 | SerajewelKS | kenoan: there's some link you have to click though |
| 02:23.41 | SerajewelKS | kenoan: like "or upload a file" either at the bottom or on the left-hand bar |
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| 02:23.51 | crn | Stevie, dexconf in sarge will create a new x conf file based on your initial responses. This will give dpkg-reconfigure something to reconfigure |
| 02:24.01 | Stevie | again with this |
| 02:24.02 | kenoan | SerajewelKS: thks. |
| 02:24.10 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm havin a brain fart, thats the syntex to give all users writes to read and write a folder? |
| 02:24.15 | Stevie | what the fsck is the deal with the message "/etc/X11/X" has already been customized? |
| 02:24.58 | Jesset77 | Is kaffe a jdk or a jre? |
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| 02:25.55 | magyar | anyone using kmail, when i forward any html messages all it sends is an empty message |
| 02:26.07 | GeorgeS069 | K|NgGh0sT : chmod 777 I think |
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| 02:26.17 | sander_ | hi.. seems like i've been hacked.. need to reinstall ps. so I can list all processes running.. which package should I reinstall then? |
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| 02:26.23 | Stevie | crn: dpkg-reconfigure is not changing my conf file |
| 02:26.46 | sander_ | I ran chkrootkit.. and found several inefected binaries. |
| 02:26.47 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: That is a good question, because devfs is no longer in the debian 2.6.? stock kernels. Did you try it with a kernel 2.4.? yet? This has even began to boggle my mind. When I normally transfer data from one drive or partition to another, I would normally re-install the OS and applications first exporting the list of the currently installed apps to be re-installed. I would just of copyed the needed data over afterwards. It on |
| 02:26.47 | kevinv | ly takes about half an hour to an hour to re-install debian. |
| 02:27.18 | dendrite | sander_: ps is in the procps package. Any idea how the attacker got in? |
| 02:28.20 | Stevie | I'm almost certain it's got something to do with this /etc/X11/X crap. |
| 02:28.37 | K|NgGh0sT | Stevie, I get that too, just manually edit it |
| 02:28.42 | sander_ | dendrite, yep.. seems like he guessed a local user's password.. and used a local exploit.. located at gamezover.biz/locale.tar.gz |
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| 02:28.56 | crn | Stevie, in sarge md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ---will fix that problem |
| 02:29.11 | Stevie | in sarge if you have xfree86 installed. |
| 02:29.15 | sandman | I also can't seem to get syntax highlighting to turn on for Anjuta... not sure if anyone knows how to do this. I tried using the menu:View => Editor => Highlight Mode => Automatic |
| 02:29.24 | dendrite | sander_: Bleah. What local exploit -- do you know? |
| 02:29.37 | crn | Stevie, I don't know the directories for xorg, but the idea is probably the same |
| 02:29.47 | sander_ | dendrite, I just pasted the url to a local exploit package he downloaded |
| 02:30.02 | dendrite | sander_: Ah. That's what that was. |
| 02:30.04 | sander_ | dendrite, I tried severl ones of them.. several worked at that box |
| 02:30.26 | dendrite | sander_: Um... What flavor of Debian is this, and is it updated? |
| 02:30.30 | sander_ | dendrite, he's not very smart.. didnt delete any wtmp log entries |
| 02:30.33 | Stevie | crn: You keep giving me those directions for the xorg.conf file as if I *had not tried them already, twice* |
| 02:30.44 | merf | Having a very strange problem and don't even know where to start looking... Was using Sarge, and it worked great, then tried SUSE 10.1, but couldn't get to certain sites on the Internet, so switched back. On re-installation (with net-install), was asked which kernel I wanted. Chose 2.6.8 . Now, I'm having the same connectivity problems that I had with SUSE!! How could the kernel version possibly cause this???? |
| 02:30.46 | crn | Stevie, ok sorry |
| 02:31.02 | sander_ | dendrite, its debian sarge. |
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| 02:31.54 | sander_ | dendrite, its updated. |
| 02:32.00 | anabain | I need some help with iptables |
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| 02:32.28 | sander_ | dendrite, the "gcc" exploit worked |
| 02:32.43 | SerajewelKS | dammit this is so annoying |
| 02:32.56 | anabain | iptables -t NAT -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE outputs this: iptables v1.3.3: can't initialize iptables table `NAT': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 02:32.56 | anabain | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 02:33.01 | magyar | anyone using kmail? |
| 02:33.06 | sander_ | dendrite, and the aVe one. |
| 02:33.10 | dendrite | sander_: Sounds like a pain. |
| 02:33.10 | kenoan | SerajewelKS: pastebin.ca max file size is only 60KB |
| 02:33.33 | kevinv | merf: I've used SuSE 10.1 before as well, and I didn't experience these problems. How are connected to the internet btw? |
| 02:33.38 | dendrite | anabain: -t nat. Not NAT. |
| 02:33.52 | sander_ | dendrite, seems like 2.4.18 to 2.4.22 is vulnerable. |
| 02:34.09 | anabain | oh! thanks, dendrite |
| 02:34.17 | merf | kevinv: I'm connected with a DSL line with Qwest. It worked okay on 2.4.27.... |
| 02:34.20 | dendrite | sander_: Well, good luck with the cleanup. |
| 02:34.31 | kevinv | anabain: You shouldn't need to insmod, it would normally install the modules on it's own, plus iptables need to be run as 'root'. |
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| 02:35.12 | anabain | ok, kevinv |
| 02:35.15 | kevinv | merf: Check the settings in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:35.30 | merf | It's strange... I can get to www.livejounal.net, and sign into my account, and even log an update, but I can't read my own entries, or my friends page, or anyone else's entries pages... I also can't reach the google servers... |
| 02:36.00 | merf | kevinv: okay... What are THEY? |
| 02:36.07 | sander_ | anyone know if its possible to get the kernel updated automaticly after a while? |
| 02:36.13 | merf | (sorry... n00b. trying to learn...) |
| 02:36.24 | sander_ | with apt-get |
| 02:36.34 | kevinv | merf: Make sure you have the correct DNS servers. If worst comes to worse attempt to install bind, and use localhost as your DNS server. Resolve the names yourself. |
| 02:36.40 | sander_ | so local root exploits dosnt work |
| 02:36.51 | kevinv | merf: Is /etc/resolv.conf empty? |
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| 02:37.53 | merf | kevinv: nope. erm... |
| 02:38.41 | kevinv | merf: can you ping the hosts by name, or even by their IP address? |
| 02:39.15 | kevinv | merf: open a terminal and use the 'ping' command. See if you have connectivity at all. |
| 02:39.53 | kevinv | merf: here is a google IP address: 64.233.187.99, try to ping it. |
| 02:40.04 | merf | kevinv: okay... hang on... oh, and the first line is: search domain.actasltmp |
| 02:40.08 | killown | how running taskbar in enlightenment? |
| 02:40.11 | sander_ | Searching for Suckit rootkit... Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED |
| 02:40.14 | sander_ | :\ |
| 02:40.20 | zinx | sander_: reinstall time |
| 02:40.29 | sander_ | yep.. I guess so. |
| 02:40.31 | merf | right... hang on. |
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| 02:40.56 | sander_ | the guy who hacked me even got an bot located at irc. |
| 02:40.57 | killown | ****how load taskbar in enlightenment? |
| 02:41.20 | zinx | sander_: you've unplugged it from the network already, right? |
| 02:41.26 | debian | sander_: sweet. Good chance to learn from an expert |
| 02:41.39 | jbrimble | Where is the .vimrc |
| 02:41.43 | jbrimble | usually located? |
| 02:41.50 | sander_ | zinx, no.. its been running a while.. so I figured I whould try to track him down first. |
| 02:42.13 | merf | kevinv: is it supposed to keep going, line after line after line? |
| 02:42.33 | sander_ | zinx, i'll take it offline very soon.. and reinstall. |
| 02:42.43 | debian | what a waste |
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| 02:43.00 | merf | what's a waste?? |
| 02:43.28 | sander_ | debian, whats up? |
| 02:43.45 | kevinv | merf: the ping, yes. Press ctrl-c to stop it. |
| 02:43.59 | Jesset77 | How can I search a particular distro using apt or aptitude, like unstable or testing? |
| 02:44.02 | merf | kevinv: okay, so I sent 116 packets, and recieved 115... |
| 02:44.30 | zinx | Jesset77: you can't, but dpkg can show specific packages |
| 02:44.38 | zinx | Jesset77: and there's packages.debian.org |
| 02:44.48 | zinx | dpkg as in the bot here, not dpkg the command |
| 02:45.13 | merf | kevinv: so, in /etc/resolv.conf there are two nameservers listed... How do I know if they're the right ones? |
| 02:45.57 | kevinv | merf: Well, firstly there mostly likely added to that file dynamicly when the dhcp client requests your IP address. |
| 02:46.04 | sander_ | running a sniffer.. so I can find out what they're doing with that irc bot. |
| 02:46.07 | sander_ | :-) |
| 02:46.09 | merf | that's what I thought. |
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| 02:46.25 | zinx | sander_: uhm, they're doing bad things |
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| 02:47.12 | merf | So, if I can send and recieve to Google using ping, why do I continuoulsy time-out when I try to reach it with firefox or konquerer? |
| 02:47.15 | sander_ | zinx, I guess so.. but doesnt matter if I find out what they're doing... |
| 02:47.42 | kevinv | merf: How are connecting to IRC, a Windows or Linux box? |
| 02:48.00 | sandman | I think it's funny that everyone seems to always ping google.com as a test |
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| 02:48.05 | Jesset77 | merf you could try like nc google.com 80 and then enter some HTTP commands (like "GET / HTTP/1.0" followed by "Host: google.com" and a couple of blank lines) |
| 02:48.09 | merf | Kevinv: Linux. Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6.8 |
| 02:48.31 | Jesset77 | sandman google.com is in the middle of the internet! :) |
| 02:48.45 | kevinv | merf: How did your IRC client resolve the freenode IP address? |
| 02:48.47 | Phated | What -are- you talking about? google.com -is- the internet ;) |
| 02:48.55 | zinx | sandman: i use 4.2.2.1 when there's no dns. it also happens to be a dns server. |
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| 02:49.13 | zinx | sandman: (along with 4.2.2.2, etc) |
| 02:49.27 | merf | Kevinv: Don't know... I started Sirc, and it just worked... I can also use Kopete just fine. |
| 02:49.36 | sandman | Impressive. |
| 02:49.50 | sander_ | anyone know a way of getting a "secure" kernel.. without updating the kernel all the time? |
| 02:50.10 | sander_ | last years.. every "old" kernels have been exploitable. |
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| 02:50.24 | epsilon | use 2.4? |
| 02:50.29 | zinx | sander_: don't give people accounts :D |
| 02:50.30 | kevinv | merf: Strange, but google and LiveJurnal fail to load. How many other websites fail to load? |
| 02:51.38 | merf | kevinv: a lot, unfortunately... deviantART almost loaded, then hit a wall when it had to connect to google-analytics. I can't think of others, off the top of my head... |
| 02:52.01 | SerajewelKS | dammit, what the hell is wrong with yaird |
| 02:52.10 | merf | How do I find out how irc resolved the freenode address?? |
| 02:52.24 | sander_ | zinx, I need to hand out some accounts.. cant stop that |
| 02:52.38 | VolVE | Can anyone tell me what the boot option "irqpoll" does? |
| 02:52.40 | zinx | sander_: don't hand 'em out to h4x0rs? |
| 02:52.49 | merf | Jesset77: I'm afraid I didn't understand your suggestion... |
| 02:52.50 | GeorgeS069 | merf : sounds like that new net protocol...forget what it's called...something about net congestion...some sites have it and some don't |
| 02:52.52 | Jesset77 | sander_: what if they got chroot'd? |
| 02:53.04 | merf | hmmmm... |
| 02:53.06 | kevinv | merf: btw, it's http://www.livejournal.com/ not .net |
| 02:53.14 | sander_ | zinx, sure.. but in this case the hacker guessed or found another users password |
| 02:53.15 | kevinv | try the .com |
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| 02:53.41 | merf | Kevinv: oh, did I put down .net?? sorry, been using it for two years... duh. |
| 02:53.53 | zinx | sander_: probably phished it |
| 02:53.56 | zinx | users are idiots |
| 02:53.57 | kevinv | merf: but google still has problems tho. |
| 02:54.27 | kevinv | merf: I get google here, try surfing to google via their IP address and not their domain name. |
| 02:54.32 | sander_ | zinx, maybe.. thats why I need some better security for the kernel.. |
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| 02:54.48 | zinx | sander_: selinux? |
| 02:54.52 | kevinv | merf: google.com > http://64.233.187.99/ |
| 02:55.06 | zinx | sander_: you can tell apt-get / aptitude to just update one package, though. but it'll have to grab the whole list :D |
| 02:55.14 | zinx | sander_: which isn't as much of a problem now with pdiffs |
| 02:55.23 | dserban__ | Ok I'm back. And back to my troubles with update-grub. I ran strace on it and It looks like it's writing what it should be, but I can't tell if it's erroring out when it closes the handle on the file (mainly menu.lst) ... and for those who don't know, update-grub doesn't update menu.lst for me. If i delete it, it puts in the default of what looks like a template, but no stanzas for the kernel installed in my system. The permiss |
| 02:55.23 | dserban__ | ions look fine, I don't know what else to do. |
| 02:55.31 | kevinv | merf: It could very well be your ISP is having troubles with DNS. |
| 02:55.43 | sander_ | zinx, whats pdiffs? |
| 02:55.44 | merf | kevinv: Whoa. that worked instantly. |
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| 02:56.25 | merf | kevinv: nodnod I was thinking of calling them... luckily, they're Linux friendly... the first I've found. |
| 02:56.29 | kevinv | merf: Wow, your ISP has a slow DNS server. |
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| 02:56.39 | sander_ | zinx, is selinux easy to install?.. |
| 02:57.00 | merf | kevinv: but how does changing the kernel version affect that? |
| 02:57.02 | kevinv | merf: if the google IP address is instant and the domain name isn't. |
| 02:57.45 | merf | great. :( so how do i find the IP addresses for the sites i want to visit? |
| 02:57.46 | kevinv | merf: I've had a similar problem when using Mandrake 10.1 |
| 02:58.31 | grumbel | has anyone managed to compile cdemu under debian? cdemu kernel module fails for me with: FATAL: Error inserting cdemu (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-k7/misc/cdemu.ko): Invalid module format |
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| 02:59.28 | kevinv | merf: Well the best way would be to install your own DNS server for your personal use, but firewall it. It's actually very simple to install a DNS server, 'apt-get install bind' |
| 02:59.32 | GeorgeS069 | merf : install BIND9 and run your wown DNS |
| 02:59.49 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: seems it's not related to the initrd |
| 02:59.51 | jjazz | I haven't rebooted or restarted X in a months. Tonight I did so and X won't come up. Apparently, there is no core pointer. I'm using the same mouse plugged into the same port as I always have. It worked 20 minutes ago before the reboot. I've tried /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux. I'm at a loss as to the next step. Any help would be appreciated. |
| 02:59.55 | zinx | sander_: dunno, never tried |
| 03:00.01 | zinx | sander_: debian supports it afaik |
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| 03:00.09 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: according to this blog, i need to mknod for null and console in /dev, because udev doesn't get loaded until later |
| 03:00.11 | kevinv | merf: in /etc/resolv.conf, add a nameserver entry above the others to 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:00.30 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: except i have those already |
| 03:00.33 | zinx | sander_: http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 03:00.44 | jjazz | merf: bind is a bit cryptic. If your needs are simple, take a look at dnsmasq |
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| 03:01.07 | merf | huh. okay... |
| 03:01.49 | sander_ | zinx, thanks. |
| 03:02.18 | merf | First, though, I'm going to call my ISP and see if they have any suggestions... |
| 03:02.19 | crn | sander_, did chkrootkit find your problem? or did you use something else |
| 03:02.20 | GeorgeS069 | merf : do a google search for a caching only nameserver |
| 03:02.21 | kevinv | merf, jjazz: bind is only cryptic for those who need to configure it. But for a basic personal dns server it needs no configuration. |
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| 03:02.58 | kevinv | merf, jjazz: I use bind instead of my own ISPs nameservers. |
| 03:03.07 | GeorgeS069 | me too |
| 03:03.11 | jjazz | kevinv: fair enough. I think I ended up with dnsmasq because it also serves dhcp. |
| 03:03.19 | sander_ | crn, chkrootkit found 1 hidden process by an lkm trojan.. and a few binaries inefected. |
| 03:03.24 | Jesset77 | yeah, yeah, dnscache! go djb, go djb |
| 03:03.34 | crn | sander_, thanks |
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| 03:03.53 | merf | jjazz: ah, see now, I normally configure my network with DHCP, so would that affect which one I should use?? |
| 03:04.07 | kevinv | jjazz: dnsmasq as i understand is more useful for internet connection sharing then? |
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| 03:04.32 | sander_ | crn, I found a dir where the the bot where installed.. out of checking all processes.. which was only hidden by ps |
| 03:04.42 | kevinv | jjazz: a dns server doesn't really need a dhcp server included, bind is pre-configured with the root servers. |
| 03:05.03 | sander_ | still.. there is one process which is hidden by the kernel.. which I cant reach... |
| 03:05.07 | jjazz | merf: dnsmasq doesn't have to serve dhcp if you don't want it. My router's dhcp server wasn't doing it for me, so I replaced it, but you don't have to. |
| 03:05.24 | jjazz | kevinv: I happened to want both services, so it was an easy decision. :) |
| 03:05.31 | crn | sander_, i got cracked once. he replaced tty with his own version and installed a chat room "cock and balls" |
| 03:05.59 | merf | jjazz: thanks. |
| 03:06.03 | jjazz | kevinv: I don't use dnsmasq for connection sharing. |
| 03:06.05 | jjazz | merf: np |
| 03:06.37 | Jesset77 | how do I update my package list again? apt-get update? |
| 03:07.11 | jjazz | Anybody have any bright ideas as to why my mouse device suddenly fails? cat /dev/input/mice returns "No such device" |
| 03:07.15 | jjazz | Jesset77: yes |
| 03:07.38 | amphi | Jesset77: yes |
| 03:07.39 | Jesset77 | jjazz: I had to chain gpm into X as a chain |
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| 03:07.55 | crn | sander_, it taught me that some guys know a hell of a lot more than i do. you did a good job of tracking him down. |
| 03:08.03 | GeorgeS069 | jjazz : is it a usb mouse? |
| 03:08.11 | jjazz | GeorgeS069: nope |
| 03:08.11 | amphi | Jesset77: yeah, I use gpm as a repeater, it seems to work well |
| 03:08.26 | jjazz | Jesset77: I'm not sure what you mean. I'm not even sure I have gpm installed on this box. Lemme check. |
| 03:08.56 | jjazz | Jesset77: yep, gpm is there, although I'm not sure what I use it for. Is it possible it is causing some sort of conflict? |
| 03:09.40 | sander_ | crn, maybe 10 years ago.. I was hacking abit.. thats why I know how;-) |
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| 03:10.18 | Jesset77 | on my machine the mouse is at /dev/psaux, so I configure gpm to use that |
| 03:10.33 | Jesset77 | in /etc/gpm and tell it repeat_type=ms3 |
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| 03:10.37 | sander_ | crn, i'm using ettercap to sniff all traffic.. |
| 03:10.51 | Jesset77 | I forgot what the next step was tho. :) |
| 03:10.58 | sander_ | crn, so I see what they do in theire channels |
| 03:11.15 | kevinv | the mouse device on kernel 2.4.? would normally be /dev/psaux for a PS/2 mouse. |
| 03:11.29 | Jesset77 | yep thats mine |
| 03:11.40 | amphi | Jesset77: tell X to use /dev/gpmdata as mouse device |
| 03:11.56 | kevinv | in kernel 2.6.? most or all input devices(keyboards, mice, joysticks, etc...) nodes are stored in /dev/input/* |
| 03:12.05 | jjazz | kevinv: Kernel is 2.6 and /dev/psaux returns no such device too |
| 03:12.11 | Jesset77 | amphi yeah that was the next step. :) Or I read in a readme somewhere to symlink /dev/gpmdata to a different file and have X use that. |
| 03:12.32 | kenoan | hi, having problem logging in to kdm. Have a dump of my kdm login trace at http://www.quickdump.com/files/1565270489.html. Pls take a look and see if u can help solve the problem. thks. |
| 03:12.33 | amphi | Jesset77: why? just use /dev/gpmdata, protocol IntelliMouse |
| 03:12.43 | sander_ | Jesset77, the good thing about ettercap is that it can log ALL traffic on directly connected lans. |
| 03:12.44 | kevinv | jjazz: I know, when I upgraded my system from 2.4.? to 2.6.? Xfree fussed on the mouse driver. |
| 03:13.01 | crn | sander_, in my case i freaked and took the box off the net. but i regret it to this day. if i had the skills i'd do what your doing: see what they are up to |
| 03:13.06 | Jesset77 | amphi: I don't remember why! I read this in a /usr/share/doc file somewhere and it said that way you could.. do.. something else. :) |
| 03:13.08 | jjazz | kevinv: What did you do to fix it? |
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| 03:13.15 | amphi | sander_: good ol' arp cache poisoning, eh? ;) |
| 03:13.25 | sander_ | amphi, yeah :-) |
| 03:13.31 | amphi | Jesset77: ah, yes... |
| 03:13.48 | amphi | Jesset77: using gpmdata works here |
| 03:13.48 | Jesset77 | sander_: so can t?ethereal in promiscuous mode. (?) |
| 03:13.49 | kevinv | jjazz: I either edited my /etc/X11/xorg.conf or ran dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 03:14.01 | jjazz | kevinv: Yeah, I'm trying both... to no avail. |
| 03:14.06 | kevinv | jjazz: plus is the psmouse module loaded? |
| 03:14.15 | amphi | Jesset77: not other traffic on a switched network |
| 03:14.23 | jjazz | kevinv: psmouse is loaded |
| 03:14.38 | amphi | Jesset77: is gpm working in a VT? |
| 03:14.57 | sander_ | Jesset77, promiscous mode aint the same as arp cache poisoning... makes all your switched broadcast all packets.. so you can listen on every other packet on the switch |
| 03:15.00 | jjazz | gpmdata can't find the mouse device either |
| 03:15.07 | sander_ | swicthes* |
| 03:15.19 | Jesset77 | amphi: in a switched network you only need to configure your port as a managed port (lest you wouldn't get the traffic down your wire anyway) as long as it's on the wire, promiscuous mode sniffs it. That's what the mode is for isn't it>? |
| 03:16.02 | jjazz | If my mouse port used to be /dev/input/mouse, why would that device disappear? What is it that creates that device or controls it? |
| 03:16.20 | sander_ | Jesset77, promiscuous mode is only that the network card listens to info sent to you.. but dosnt got your source ip. |
| 03:16.35 | kevinv | jjazz: I would think udev controls it. |
| 03:16.39 | amphi | Jesset77: that's what ettercap does, make sure all the packets come down your wire, making the switch behave like a hub, effectively |
| 03:16.47 | sander_ | packets not meant for you still get trough with promiscous mode |
| 03:16.54 | Jesset77 | sander_: so you guys are talking about arp cache poisoning, essentially folling the switch to send you packets you weren't meant to receive? |
| 03:17.14 | kenoan | sander_: ettercap is now only for debian unstable? |
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| 03:17.19 | jjazz | kevinv: Ah, ok. Now we're getting somewhere. udev is a recent addition to this box. I guess the udev install didn't work. |
| 03:17.41 | sander_ | kenoan: ettercap is in stable. |
| 03:17.57 | kenoan | sander_: thks. |
| 03:18.12 | kevinv | jjazz: try mknod /dev/input/mice c 13 63 |
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| 03:18.29 | kevinv | jjazz: a temp fix to see if the mouse is actually there. |
| 03:18.42 | jjazz | kevinv: 'file exists' |
| 03:18.50 | kevinv | hmm |
| 03:19.12 | jjazz | kevinv: I think I found a problem. dpkg says udev needs 2.6.12. I have 2.6.8. Wonder why the dependency didn't kick in. |
| 03:19.32 | sander_ | Jesset77, yep.. since the switch only got a limited number of memory for storing mac addresses.. then it needs to throw out some addresses when the list of addesses is full.. with arp cache poisoning that addess buffer is overflooded all the time. |
| 03:20.20 | Jesset77 | sander_: is that a technique that could be defeated as switches build better security? Also, if it's your switch, could you not just specify for yourself a managed port? |
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| 03:20.32 | Jesset77 | soz, "monitoring port" is the term I am looking for. |
| 03:20.35 | kenoan | hi, having problem logging in to kdm. Have a dump of my kdm login trace at http://www.quickdump.com/files/1565270489.html. Pls take a look and see if u can help solve the problem. thks. |
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| 03:22.05 | stormrider_may | hi, i'm trying to make apache2 work with ssl, but the only problem is that when i run a2enmod, i only have php4 (i should have lots of mods). On other machine i installed the same packages and got a lot of modules. Does anyone know why is this happening? |
| 03:22.48 | sander_ | Jesset77, yep.. better switches could deafeat that I guess.... maybe "managed switches" can find that out some way.. dont know too much about it. |
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| 03:24.25 | cored | hi guys |
| 03:24.32 | cored | im trying to install apache 1.3.x with php5 |
| 03:24.39 | Jesset77 | Well, ok. All my switches are Cisco catalyst series jobbies, so setting up a monitoring port is no biggie. there should be some soho equipment with that option as well though? |
| 03:24.41 | cored | but everytime i try to install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 03:24.49 | cored | its try to install apache2 |
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| 03:25.52 | Jesset77 | I now have tomcat running with sun-java5-sdk, I will call that enough and head to dinner! Thanks again all. :) |
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| 03:29.58 | sparr | i would like all my users to have write access to a non-permission-friendly-filesystem usb storage device. how should i mount it? |
| 03:30.02 | jjazz | kevinv: Thanks for the tip about udev. It's all working now. :) |
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| 03:30.56 | kevinv | jjazz: np |
| 03:31.50 | linuxfreck | sparr: user option in fstab |
| 03:33.17 | sparr | linuxfreck: im not using fstab. and all that allows is for them to mount it as themselves. |
| 03:34.04 | linuxfreck | sparr: so all users should have write access no matter who brings the flash device in? |
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| 03:35.01 | sparr | linuxfreck: i agree, they should |
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| 03:35.28 | linuxfreck | sparr: mount ... -ousers,umask=000 then |
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| 03:36.27 | kenoan | sander_: debian's ettercap is not compiled with GTK2? |
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| 03:37.20 | sander_ | kenoan, I have no idea... I use the curl text based version. |
| 03:37.27 | sparr | thanks |
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| 03:37.50 | kenoan | sander_: i have tried the -G option. no go. |
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| 03:38.45 | sander_ | kenoan, have you installed ettercap-gtk? |
| 03:39.15 | kenoan | sander_: no, only ettercap. should try that. |
| 03:39.37 | tonybaloney | hi guys, i have a Netgear MA4011 wireless card that refuses to work under kernel 2.6.15 (running testing branch) but works perfectly under 2.4.27. It doesn't associate with any access point |
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| 03:40.04 | sander_ | I remember back in the days.. where my isp had a switched network between all thei're users.. and I could use ettercap to sniff everyones connections ;-) |
| 03:40.24 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
| 03:41.09 | kenoan | sander_: ettercap -gtk is the way to go. thks. |
| 03:41.12 | aedwards232 | Does anyone know of a way to get the physical location(city) of a public IP address, such as given with visual route? |
| 03:41.27 | sander_ | kenoan, a good grafical interface? |
| 03:41.34 | sander_ | never tried it. |
| 03:42.00 | kenoan | sander_: quite plain but better than -C. |
| 03:42.10 | sander_ | Ok :) |
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| 03:44.41 | kenoan | aedwards232: how about IP Locator? |
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| 03:44.59 | aedwards232 | whats that? |
| 03:45.13 | kenoan | aedwards232: search the web. |
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| 03:45.50 | blunted | how come when i try to burn an audio cd with gnomebaker it says The plugin to handle a file of type audio/mpeg is not installed |
| 03:46.21 | blunted | what plugin do i gotta install |
| 03:46.35 | blunted | and wtf doesnt it come with it |
| 03:48.11 | aedwards232 | kenoan, I tryed it, said I was in Louisiana, I'm in Texas, is there anything more accurate? visual route is always right on que |
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| 03:48.46 | smiths | ever use two laptops at once? |
| 03:48.55 | smiths | ever pet two cats at once? |
| 03:49.07 | smiths | ever lay naked with two women at once? |
| 03:49.09 | blunted | how come when i try to burn an audio cd with gnomebaker it says The plugin to handle a file of type audio/mpeg is not installed which plugin do i need to install |
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| 03:49.17 | kenoan | aedwards232: so far it has been accurate enough for me. u sure u have the intended IP addr in? |
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| 03:49.53 | aedwards232 | yes |
| 03:50.42 | Phated | Yeep, bannination. |
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| 03:51.11 | SerajewelKS | finally got it working |
| 03:51.18 | blunted | so i guess no one knows? |
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| 03:51.26 | GeorgeS069 | cool...congrats SerajewelKS |
| 03:51.35 | GeorgeS069 | no clue here blunted |
| 03:51.56 | GeorgeS069 | I use windoze and nero for cd/dvd burning |
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| 03:52.30 | SerajewelKS | blunted: sounds like it doesn't understand how to burn MP3s |
| 03:52.39 | Aid` | I am trying to adjust the default contrast/brightness in X, can anyone help? |
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| 03:52.49 | zinx | uhm, that's a monitor thing |
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| 03:52.54 | Vasistha | blunted: hmm have you been able to listen to those songs using any audio player? |
| 03:53.00 | Aid` | i was told you could change it in X |
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| 03:53.01 | zinx | you -can- adjust it with the gamma ramp stuff, but you probably don't want to |
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| 03:53.10 | SerajewelKS | blunted: if you convert them to WAV i betcha it will work |
| 03:53.18 | zinx | Aid`: if you can change it with your monitor, then change it with your monitor. |
| 03:53.34 | Aid` | zinx: what im looking to do is lower the brightness because my TV OUTPUT is too bright |
| 03:53.49 | zinx | Aid`: most TVs have brightness/contrast/etc controls. |
| 03:53.55 | amphi | blunted: mpg123 can convert mp3s to a format suitable for audio cd IIRC |
| 03:54.05 | Aid` | zinx: yes and then when i watch regular TV it will be way too bright |
| 03:54.11 | Aid` | i mean DARK |
| 03:54.12 | Aid` | DARK |
| 03:54.17 | zinx | Aid`: :x |
| 03:54.22 | SerajewelKS | blunted: if you'd like a one-liner to convert, i can supply one |
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| 03:54.30 | Aid` | what's this gamma thing you speak of? what does it do |
| 03:54.33 | blunted | i'd rahter just have it where gnomebaker did it |
| 03:54.46 | SerajewelKS | blunted: yeah can't help you there, i use k3b myself |
| 03:54.53 | blunted | k3b is being gay |
| 03:55.04 | zinx | Aid`: you can't change the gamma for just one output (i'm assuming you have a monitor attached too) unless you use a proprietary interface in fglrx, and that only works if you've got an ATI card and are using fglrx. |
| 03:55.12 | SerajewelKS | blunted: well, cdrecord should work.. cli rarely fails |
| 03:55.28 | SerajewelKS | blunted: of course cdrecord will only use 44.1kHz stereo wavs |
| 03:56.10 | Aid` | zinx: how can i make it change the gamma over all? i dont care about specific |
| 03:56.17 | zinx | Aid`: but you can change it for all using xgamma, for something basic, or nvidia's nvidia-settings tool to do some more advanced things if you're using an nVidia card... or you can write/find a program to twiddle the gamma ramps yourself to do the more advanced stuff |
| 03:56.34 | GeorgeS069 | Aid` : xgamma |
| 03:56.37 | blunted | this is wack |
| 03:56.41 | zinx | Aid`: but you can't make black blacker. |
| 03:56.54 | Aid` | i know that? |
| 03:56.56 | Aid` | =p |
| 03:57.04 | zinx | Aid`: whatever it's displaying black as is the absolute darkest color you can display without changing the settings on the TV |
| 03:57.10 | StereoSkit | !iso-8559-1 to utf-8 |
| 03:57.26 | StereoSkit | !locales |
| 03:57.26 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 03:57.30 | blunted | The plugin to handle a file of type audio/mpeg is not installed << whos the ass who makes such a vague error message |
| 03:57.50 | SerajewelKS | blunted: it seems pretty clear to me |
| 03:58.03 | Aid` | zinx: does nividia-settings edit the X config file? |
| 03:58.07 | blunted | if its so clear then what plugin do i install |
| 03:58.09 | SerajewelKS | Aid`: no |
| 03:58.11 | blunted | :) |
| 03:58.20 | SerajewelKS | blunted: how the hell should it know that |
| 03:58.31 | SerajewelKS | blunted: if it knew that, it would do it for you |
| 03:58.50 | zinx | Aid`: no |
| 03:58.54 | blunted | you mean like it did before when it had the proper plugins |
| 03:59.08 | SerajewelKS | blunted: uhm, is gnomebaker even in debian? i don't see it listed. |
| 03:59.10 | zinx | Aid`: it can save to its own config file - ~/.nvidia-settings-rc |
| 03:59.19 | Aid` | ok i can always turn up contrast and brightness on my monitor |
| 03:59.20 | Aid` | brb |
| 03:59.22 | blunted | i made it up.. |
| 03:59.24 | blunted | wtf |
| 03:59.32 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to be removing a few hundred bans shortly. Please /ignore #debian MODES |
| 03:59.41 | SerajewelKS | blunted: ah, it's just not in testing ATM |
| 04:00.11 | SerajewelKS | blunted: the plugin may not be specific to gnomebaker, it might be gstreamer or something. what is the caption of the dialog? |
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| 04:00.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o don_inlab] by ChanServ |
| 04:00.42 | blunted | The plugin to handle a file of type audio/mpeg is not installed |
| 04:00.51 | SerajewelKS | blunted: and the caption? |
| 04:00.55 | kevinv | You know, Linux apps should do more self-installations of plugins, I totally agree with blunted. Similar to how Windows Media Player installs plugins. |
| 04:01.02 | don_inlab | *** PLEASE /ignore #debian MODES; IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY DONE SO *** |
| 04:01.12 | don_inlab | *** UNBANNING BEGINS *** |
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| 04:01.25 | blunted | what u mean? caption |
| 04:01.26 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: except that you need to be root to do that |
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| 04:01.34 | GeorgeS069 | blunted : get gstreamer0.8-plugins |
| 04:01.35 | kevinv | It would make more people at least enjoy using Linux a little more. Plus making Linux a little less complex for the newbie user. |
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| 04:01.44 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: on windows you are administrator always, which is bad |
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| 04:01.54 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: yes, less complex and less secure |
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| 04:02.05 | dondelelcaro | kevinv: this is Debian; it'd be enough for the plugins to be packaged and recommended. |
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| 04:02.07 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: does gnomebaker use gstreamer? |
| 04:02.09 | *** mode/#debian [-bbb *!*@63.236.116.94 *!*@Toronto-HSE-ppp3719441.sympatico.ca *!*@c53753d57.cable.wanadoo.nl] by don_inlab |
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| 04:02.12 | servus | SerajewelKS: Plenty of Linux apps already have pop-up root authentication dialogs. Like, say, the KDE clock. |
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| 04:02.16 | dondelelcaro | (of course, that requires the plugins to be DFSG free) |
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| 04:02.24 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: I agree on the windows thing stated. But look how the Ubuntu project handles admin tasks. |
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| 04:02.46 | SerajewelKS | servus: the last thing i want is my media player installing things as root. if i want them i will install them. |
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| 04:02.49 | GeorgeS069 | The page I found said it did...I don't use it myself...just trying to help |
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| 04:03.05 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: okay, just checking. thought maybe you took my suggestion as fact. |
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| 04:03.12 | servus | SerajewelKS: Why not? It's common practice and strikes me as fine. It says "I want to install a plugin, enter root password for me to continue". |
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| 04:03.23 | blunted | weee |
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| 04:03.30 | blunted | like 50 million things installing |
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| 04:03.33 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: wait... it uses gstreamer on unstable |
| 04:03.34 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@200.84.19.86] by don_inlab |
| 04:03.38 | SerajewelKS | blunted: is this stable or unstable? |
| 04:03.39 | kevinv | For example, the Linux media player 'mplayer' would automaticly download plugins into the users home folder, afterwards asking the user is he/she wishes to make this plugin global. |
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| 04:03.53 | blunted | unstable |
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| 04:03.58 | GeorgeS069 | feel better now Don? |
| 04:03.59 | dondelelcaro | you can /unignore #debian MODES if you wish. |
| 04:03.59 | blunted | stable is like old |
| 04:04.05 | SerajewelKS | blunted: okay, just making sure |
| 04:04.11 | kevinv | woody is like older |
| 04:04.15 | blunted | you know /ignore #debian MODES doesnt work right? |
| 04:04.25 | dondelelcaro | blunted: if your client isn't irssi, you're on your own. |
| 04:04.36 | servus | I tried typing /ignore #debian MODES and it said "dondelelcaro has removed this privilege from your account." |
| 04:05.04 | SerajewelKS | servus: what happens when there are two plugins that handle a plugin type, and the player doesn't know this? i'd rather figure out what plugin i need by myself, especially if there are options. |
| 04:05.17 | blunted | i wouldnt |
| 04:05.23 | blunted | i'd rather that it just work |
| 04:05.28 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
| 04:05.29 | servus | SerajewelKS: What does that have to do with anything? If you don't want to use auto-chosen plugins, then don't. |
| 04:05.33 | SerajewelKS | servus: on the other hand, i use mpg321 and ogg123 to play shit. so plugins aren't really in the picture. |
| 04:05.47 | kevinv | I sorta agree with blunted on that one, 'It should just work'. |
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| 04:06.01 | typewriter | is it possible to shutdown without having to press the power button after it halts ? |
| 04:06.17 | kevinv | I notice when I do Linux installations for people, this is the biggest problem, is plugin installations. |
| 04:06.19 | SerajewelKS | servus: part of the reason i don't like windows is because it does a lot of extra shit like that that i don't need or want... so my opinion is largely based on that |
| 04:06.24 | amphi | typewriter: yes, except on ancient mobos, AFAIK |
| 04:06.35 | kevinv | It sorta makes them want to go back to using their windows partition... :( |
| 04:06.37 | servus | Not with an AT-style power supply, typewriter. If shutdown doesn't actually turn off the power, that might be a reason. |
| 04:06.43 | typewriter | amphi: is there a special arg to pass to shutdown to do that? |
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| 04:06.50 | blunted | i mean i can understand if it doesnt have the right plugin because you didnt install it but it'd be nice if it would say "you need to install blahblah-plugin recommended or blahblahplugin2 " |
| 04:06.58 | typewriter | cause i do shutdown -h now, im wondering is that why itll just halt and wait for me to press the power button to fully turn off |
| 04:07.05 | amphi | typewriter: no, it depends on apm/acpi I believe |
| 04:07.10 | SerajewelKS | typewriter: shutdown -h should do it |
| 04:07.17 | typewriter | do what? |
| 04:07.21 | sandman | Has anyone here gotten the WINE @ Debian Testing to work with WoW? |
| 04:07.36 | typewriter | -h = halt isnt it? i dont want it to just halt i want it to completely shutdown and turn power off |
| 04:07.36 | SerajewelKS | amphi: yes actually, you use -h to tell it turn off power |
| 04:07.42 | typewriter | oh |
| 04:07.51 | kevinv | typewriter: Is your computer ACPI compatible, and do you have the apm module loaded. |
| 04:08.08 | amphi | SerajewelKS: but without apm or acpi support, it won't power down AFAIK |
| 04:08.16 | kevinv | For example, my aptiva here, needs the apm module manual loaded in /etc/modules, no auto detection here. |
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| 04:09.25 | kevinv | Using Wine I couldn't get many DirectX apps to work correctly. At least the ones that I own. |
| 04:09.45 | kevinv | Diablo loads and plays the intro movie and quits with an error. |
| 04:09.48 | SerajewelKS | amphi: right, just saying you do need to tell shutdown something or it won't |
| 04:10.10 | amphi | SerajewelKS: aye |
| 04:10.10 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i can play some things, but most have graphical errors |
| 04:10.38 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: for example, final fantasy 8 works okay with software rendering, as HW fucks up a lot of stuff |
| 04:10.44 | typewriter | that is interesting kevinv ill look into it |
| 04:10.54 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: and i have to disable the dmusic dll or it will crash when it changes music |
| 04:11.13 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Wine need yet some more work done until it's ready enough to play games. Isn't ReactOS and Wine sorta partnered in the development area? |
| 04:11.15 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i mean it never plays music anyway, but if i don't disable the dll it will crash regardless |
| 04:11.24 | GeorgeS069 | where can I find my video card's bus identifier? I'm setting up X and it's asking for it |
| 04:11.37 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: they share some stuff yeah. reactos code uses a lot of wine code, and they send patches back. |
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| 04:11.48 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: just leave it blank and X will detect it |
| 04:12.34 | blunted | how come when i run k3bsetup2 nothing happens |
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| 04:12.57 | SerajewelKS | is there an alternative partition type that can be read-write OOTB on windows and linux besides FAT? |
| 04:12.59 | GeorgeS069 | SerajewelKS: it's not..or something else is really wrong...keep getting fatal error no screens found |
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| 04:13.16 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: that is probably not related to the bus id |
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| 04:13.23 | kevinv | Anyone here ever heard of Cedega? What do you think about them? |
| 04:13.30 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: what video driver are you selecting, and what card do you have |
| 04:13.47 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i have cedega. it works ok some of the time. others windows works better. i will probably not renew my subscription. |
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| 04:14.00 | kevinv | I know they aren't OpenSource, which does suck, plus they charge enough for the service, and does it actually work? |
| 04:14.07 | GeorgeS069 | ATI it's an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 on-board |
| 04:14.11 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: it is open source to some extent |
| 04:14.24 | servus_ | Repost: kevinv Wine doesn't support Direct3D. Cedega (a non-free fork of Wine) does. You can supposedly run WoW in OpenGL mode by editing the config file. |
| 04:14.27 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: more like shared source type things. their CVS repo is public, minus the copyprotection stuff. |
| 04:14.36 | SerajewelKS | servus_: wine supports direct3d |
| 04:14.37 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Under what license? |
| 04:14.44 | servus_ | SerajewelKS: Since when? |
| 04:14.50 | SerajewelKS | servus_: for a while |
| 04:15.06 | SerajewelKS | servus_: i think D3D 8 is mostly finished |
| 04:15.25 | servus_ | I don't know about that; Wine supports all of the DirectX components except for Direct3D, which is what sets the Cedega project apart. |
| 04:15.28 | kevinv | I sometimes wish I had VMWare. |
| 04:15.37 | blunted | what about crossover office |
| 04:15.40 | XandriX | i have it with a working cdkey |
| 04:15.41 | XandriX | :D |
| 04:15.41 | blunted | or whatever its called |
| 04:15.42 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: for 3d stuff? pfff |
| 04:15.52 | SerajewelKS | XandriX: please take your warez elsewhere |
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| 04:15.59 | XandriX | i bought it |
| 04:16.00 | XandriX | sheesh |
| 04:16.00 | Rebecca | hmm.. the testing netinstall doesn't like epia 5000 motherboards.. something about my bios being extremely broken |
| 04:16.05 | blunted | i heard its better than wine |
| 04:16.10 | blunted | can't remember why |
| 04:16.11 | XandriX | i also pay for cedega |
| 04:16.14 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: I saw The Sims running under VMWare. |
| 04:16.14 | SerajewelKS | XandriX: what you said could be interpreted as an offer |
| 04:16.19 | us0r | on boot up, tulip prints alot of junk to the screen that i would rather not have (its presence prevents me from seeing the head of my dmesg). it's alot of lines that say things like tulip0: Index#141 - Media 10baseT (#32) describes by a 21130 non-MII (0) block. |
| 04:16.32 | XandriX | oh sorry SerajewelKS |
| 04:16.34 | SerajewelKS | servus_: final fantasy 8 almost works with hardware acceleration |
| 04:16.36 | kevinv | Has anyone successfully compiled kqemu under debian? |
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| 04:16.42 | SerajewelKS | servus_: i find it hard to believe it would without direct3d support |
| 04:16.55 | servus_ | But who would want to play Final Fantasy? *Ducks* |
| 04:16.55 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: yes |
| 04:17.03 | SerajewelKS | !beat servus_ |
| 04:17.17 | servus_ | Don't mark dpkg do your dirty work, SerajewelKS |
| 04:17.20 | servus_ | !lart SerajewelKS |
| 04:17.33 | SerajewelKS | servus_: oh hypocrite now, are we =P |
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| 04:17.50 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Lucky, I tryed and failed. How much better is qemu with the kqemu patch? |
| 04:17.58 | servus_ | :( |
| 04:18.01 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: not much |
| 04:18.02 | GeorgeS069 | I'm using xfree86 4.3 should I "backport" to xorg and try installing with fglrx? |
| 04:18.14 | maikol | where would i add dns server addresses |
| 04:18.19 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: probably not worth it |
| 04:18.30 | XandriX | um GeorgeS069 back port xorg is better then xfree |
| 04:18.46 | GeorgeS069 | I don't need awesome graphics but,I would like X to start up atleast |
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| 04:18.51 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: So it's not worth it? I'm not going to be using it for games or anything, mainly to use some windows specific software, as well as testing LiveCDs. |
| 04:18.58 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: vmware's real advantage is their guest-side video driver that talks directly to vmware for video stuff. makes guest OS UIs a ton more responsive. |
| 04:19.02 | us0r | sooo...what line loads the tulip driver? |
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| 04:19.07 | us0r | at boot up |
| 04:19.57 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i find vmware to execute at basically real-time speeds. i can watch videos with no problem. |
| 04:20.00 | GeorgeS069 | us0r : maybe /etc/modules |
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| 04:20.16 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: qemu takes about 4 times as longer to do anything with the accelerator module, and probably like 8-12 times longer without it |
| 04:20.17 | maikol | wheres the resolv.conf file |
| 04:20.22 | SerajewelKS | maikol: /etc |
| 04:20.32 | maikol | SerajewelKS its not htere |
| 04:20.45 | SerajewelKS | maikol: so create it? |
| 04:20.54 | maikol | SerajewelKS good point |
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| 04:21.38 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: What exactly is Xen? Ever used it? |
| 04:21.49 | Supaplex | !xen |
| 04:21.50 | dpkg | from memory, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 04:21.57 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: it's a VM hypervisor that requires the guest OS know it's being virtualized |
| 04:22.03 | GeorgeS069 | which should be easier...getting xfree 4.3 setup on the ATI or go to backports.org and get Xorg and fglrx? |
| 04:22.18 | us0r | GeorgeS069 nope, that's not it, but i figured out what is causing the output: after the big long output, it says "eth%d: Invalid media table selection 255." tulip0: ***WARNING*** No MII tranceiver found! eth0 Macronix 98715 PMAC rev37 at 0xe400...blahblahblah |
| 04:22.23 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: so it's *fast* but is not usable with windows, unless you have a license to modify it, or have some very new and expensive processors installed |
| 04:22.46 | us0r | so how do I tell tulip to use something other than index#255? |
| 04:23.20 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: Damn, so that would mean theirs no point of using Xen to test LiveCDs. |
| 04:23.38 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: no |
| 04:23.39 | GeorgeS069 | us0r : I have no idea...sorry |
| 04:23.48 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: it's a hypervisor, not a virtual pc |
| 04:24.28 | kevinv | qemu is too slow for the task, VMWare is commercial, is there anything that can be used... wait... idea... |
| 04:25.02 | vladc | Does Debian Sid use the 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:25.02 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: xen can boot XP if you buy a new very expensive processor.. Intel VT or somesuch |
| 04:25.03 | kevinv | What if I used 'memdisk' from the syslinux project to emulate a CD-Rom booting on my PC without burning a coster? |
| 04:25.37 | Vasistha | vladc: probably, by default, yes |
| 04:25.40 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: what is the goal |
| 04:26.07 | kevinv | To boot a LiveCD without burning, thus testing it and knowing it works without wasting a CD. |
| 04:26.11 | Vasistha | vladc: someone else in here should know for certain, but I'm pretty sure etch and sid both use 2.6 by default, and I believe 2.4 is available |
| 04:26.17 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: qemu can do that |
| 04:26.30 | kevinv | qemu is too slow, I tryed. |
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| 04:26.52 | kevinv | SerajewelKS: The video accel is horrid in qemu. |
| 04:27.07 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: as i said, vmware's advantage is the video driver |
| 04:27.48 | vladc | Vasistha: Hmm... I installed Sid from floppy (downloaded at http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/), but the installer used kernel 2.4.27 without ever asking me. Is etch newer? |
| 04:28.07 | SerajewelKS | vladc: just install 2.6? |
| 04:28.28 | Vasistha | vladc: if you've already got 2.4 installed, it should not be difficult to install 2.6. You can have both on your system and easily choose which to boot at boot time |
| 04:29.20 | maikol | SerajewelKS i created it and nothing; restarted networking |
| 04:29.27 | vladc | SerajewelKS, Vasistha: Oh, OK.. I guess I'll have to search for a tutorial on compiling my own kernel. Or can I use apt-get? |
| 04:29.41 | SerajewelKS | maikol: what are you expecting it to do? what did you put in the file? |
| 04:29.50 | Vasistha | vladc: no, you don't need to compile, you can use apt-get |
| 04:30.02 | SerajewelKS | vladc: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.whatever-whatever-arch |
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| 04:30.15 | SerajewelKS | vladc: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 #will tell you what you can pick from |
| 04:30.28 | blunted | do apt-cache search linux-image to see all the ones |
| 04:30.31 | blunted | yeah |
| 04:30.35 | maikol | SerajewelKS the ips for the dns servers; just like it was in my other file |
| 04:30.36 | vladc | SerajewelKS, Vasistha: Great, I'll give that a try. Thanks! |
| 04:30.39 | blunted | nevermind SerajewelKS is faster than me |
| 04:30.55 | SerajewelKS | maikol: it should not just be ips |
| 04:30.59 | blunted | he must have one of those ergonomical keyboards or something |
| 04:31.07 | SerajewelKS | blunted: no just good at typing |
| 04:31.12 | maikol | SerajewelKS thats all it was on my other comp |
| 04:31.17 | Vasistha | vladc: here's a good list of options on p.d.o : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6-&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
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| 04:31.29 | SerajewelKS | maikol: problem is probably not there then, it might be your link |
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| 04:32.07 | dendrite | Hee hee: host 83.140.176.146 |
| 04:32.20 | vladc | Vasistha: Thanks for the link! |
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| 04:32.34 | maikol | SerajewelKS i can ping the router and other comps |
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| 04:32.59 | SerajewelKS | maikol: in resolv.conf did you put 'nameserver' before each ip? have you changed ISPs? |
| 04:33.12 | Vasistha | vladc: you're welcome! p.d.o is your friend ;-) |
| 04:33.27 | maikol | SerajewelKS didnt put nameserver in front. that could be it. |
| 04:33.37 | SerajewelKS | maikol: no, that *is* it =) |
| 04:33.46 | SerajewelKS | maikol: that's why i said "it should not just be ips" |
| 04:33.50 | omi_ | Does anyone know how to use Multipath interface round robin algorithm (CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH_DRR) |
| 04:34.03 | SerajewelKS | mhall: ping |
| 04:34.49 | omi_ | As I understand I need to use ip (iproute2), but I cannot find any documentation on using this option! |
| 04:35.24 | maikol | SerajewelKS awesome. that did the trick |
| 04:35.31 | SerajewelKS | maikol: cool |
| 04:35.54 | SerajewelKS | maikol: when in doubt, man. 'man resolv.conf' should have given you all the info you needed. |
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| 04:35.59 | Werdna | hey all |
| 04:36.24 | Werdna | I'm getting this error: ImportError: No module named protocols, while trying to use python-twisted |
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| 04:42.58 | frodo | By the default install is there user in the /etc file with the name of debian-sys-maint? |
| 04:43.27 | GeorgeS069 | nassstyyy hobbittsssis |
| 04:43.45 | GeorgeS069 | frodo: /etc is not a file |
| 04:43.46 | frodo | I crashed my sql |
| 04:43.53 | frodo | /etc/passwd |
| 04:44.12 | madd_matt | I don't have a user by that name. |
| 04:44.53 | frodo | How about in the mysql database? |
| 04:45.12 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : what are you trying to do? |
| 04:45.16 | Vasistha | frodo: I have mysql installed, and no such user |
| 04:45.39 | madd_matt | I don't think i have a user off the top of my head, but i haven't actually checked |
| 04:45.52 | GeorgeS069 | not sure if you are trying to fix mysql or find some user named debian-sys-maint :) |
| 04:45.53 | frodo | Its listed in the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 04:46.03 | kevinv | Does anyone here own an i810 video card? |
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| 04:47.06 | madd_matt | the i810 is onboard intel video? |
| 04:47.10 | Vasistha | kevinv: hmm, I think those are fairly common, actually ... low end cards, often found in dells? |
| 04:47.22 | kevinv | madd_matt: yes. |
| 04:47.37 | tjousk | I recall a debian-sys-maint user at some time in the past, but it's not there now... |
| 04:47.40 | frodo | I am not sure on how to fix it. |
| 04:47.41 | madd_matt | i've seen them, don't own one myself. |
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| 04:48.07 | Vasistha | kevinv: ...or... other computers, too, I think this gateway over here has one. You may need a specific kernel module to get certain functionality for it |
| 04:48.35 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : fix what? mysql? |
| 04:48.44 | frodo | Yep |
| 04:48.46 | kevinv | One of my boxes here uses this damn forsaken card, vga=791 fails as a kernel option. Thus splashy can't work in this environment. Yet, the Ubuntu, usplash works... What the hell does usplash use? Can't splashy use the same interface? |
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| 04:49.11 | Vasistha | kevinv: yeah, that's probably because you need the kernel module, I came across that once |
| 04:49.25 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : ok...what "crashed" ? mysql just isn't running or won't start? |
| 04:49.45 | frodo | t will not start] |
| 04:49.54 | Vasistha | kevinv: ubuntu must include it by default, whereas debian doesn't. Let me see if I can find it on p.d.o ; of course you're welcome to look too |
| 04:49.59 | kevinv | Vasistha: Well, I don't really want to re-compile the kernel, how do I get a framebuffer for say splashy to work correctly? |
| 04:50.13 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : can you paste the error messages in #flood ? |
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| 04:50.24 | Vasistha | kevinv: oh, you don't need to recompile the kernel, you just need to load this module, it may be as simple as an apt-get |
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| 04:50.42 | kevinv | Vasistha: What is p.d.o? |
| 04:50.50 | Vasistha | !p.d.o |
| 04:50.51 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 04:52.27 | jetscreamer | pdo is no more, and linux is dead |
| 04:52.28 | frodo | Cannot connect to local mysql server through socket /var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock 2 |
| 04:52.39 | jetscreamer | !start a db war |
| 04:52.39 | dpkg | MySQL is more full-featured than gdbm |
| 04:53.14 | kevinv | Vasistha: But if the module isn't built into the kernel, how do I use the vga=791, or could I do it in usermode? Is there a command that can do something similar to 'vga=791'? |
| 04:53.26 | GeorgeS069 | frodo: what gave you that error? |
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| 04:53.42 | Vasistha | kevinv: I'm not entirely sure. Right now I'm looking here: http://freshmeat.net/projects/i810fb/ |
| 04:53.48 | frodo | When I typed /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 04:53.58 | jetscreamer | try the hex notation for vga= |
| 04:54.07 | jetscreamer | works for me, other method doesn't |
| 04:54.14 | frodo | cd mysqld |
| 04:54.15 | frodo | dir |
| 04:54.18 | frodo | oops |
| 04:54.24 | jetscreamer | #vga=0x0318 |
| 04:54.44 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 04:54.44 | dpkg | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 04:54.53 | jetscreamer | the second part |
| 04:55.11 | Vasistha | kevinv: I was confused about this kernel thing for a while but I think I understand it now. When a kernel is compiled, a component can either be "built in" (in which case the source for that component must be immediately available for compilation and inclusion) or modulized (in which case you can add it later on) ... or just not included at all. |
| 04:55.19 | jetscreamer | you may need to load the fb modules |
| 04:55.32 | frodo | I also got /usr/sbin/mysqladmin connect to server at localhost failed |
| 04:55.48 | jetscreamer | kinda like there's a slot for the module, plug it in if you want |
| 04:56.02 | jetscreamer | the slot is full already if you compiled it in |
| 04:56.06 | jetscreamer | but there are many slots |
| 04:56.12 | kevinv | Vasistha: I already knew that part, I compiled a kernel twice before. |
| 04:56.49 | GeorgeS069 | frodo: can you edit /etc/mysql/debian.cnf and fix the last line so it reads /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 04:57.27 | kevinv | Vasistha: Both times for the exact same purpose, a bootsplash. The first time was kernel 2.4 with the LPP splash under woody last summer, and a kernel 2.6.8 with bootsplash patch later last year. |
| 04:57.27 | Vasistha | kevinv: ah, alright. So all I'm saying is that in all likelihood, the i810 stuff has been modulized, and you just need to add the modules in. But you might also try jetscreamer's suggestion of hwinfo --monitor and #vga=0x0318 first |
| 04:57.59 | frodo | That is what the line is |
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| 04:59.09 | kevinv | Thanks, I'll give it a try on my other box in a sec, I'm using my beloved ATI card right now :D |
| 04:59.30 | jetscreamer | rather, try a value that hwinfo --framebuffer returns |
| 04:59.36 | GeorgeS069 | hmmmm.... |
| 04:59.45 | jetscreamer | you'll need the fb modules though |
| 05:00.05 | jetscreamer | and hwinfo you would need to apt-get |
| 05:00.38 | GeorgeS069 | frodo: I dunno...sounds like it should work |
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| 05:01.09 | frodo | There has to be user in the database by that name i\and it might have gottn screwed up. |
| 05:01.35 | GeorgeS069 | you could re-install |
| 05:01.50 | kevinv | nope. the problem is that the module needs to be loaded before anything else. needs to be built in. |
| 05:02.07 | k31th | Morning guys |
| 05:02.09 | GeorgeS069 | that error message bugs me...../var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock it should have been /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 05:02.13 | kevinv | How does usplash work? usplash works on the i810 without complaint. |
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| 05:02.52 | Vasistha | kevinv: oh, I see, that kinda makes sense. d'oh! |
| 05:02.58 | GeorgeS069 | frodo: check the startup script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 05:02.59 | kevinv | Ubuntu boots with no framebuffer first, pure text mode, then usplash somehow loads a gfx mode. |
| 05:03.30 | kevinv | usplash doesn't use X11 as a host as the redhat graphical boot does. |
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| 05:03.45 | kevinv | I like red hat graphical boot, very nice :) |
| 05:04.00 | frodo | what am I looking for in that file? |
| 05:04.08 | k31th | kevinv: you like redhat :p |
| 05:04.24 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : hang on...I'm looking through mine... |
| 05:04.32 | kevinv | k31th: nope, just their bootsplash |
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| 05:05.01 | kevinv | I want it so badly, I'd even rip it out of their poor fedora core. |
| 05:05.15 | varsendaggr | hey does anyone know how to let wine connect to the internet? |
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| 05:05.53 | kevinv | varsendaggr: hmmm, I had no problems with it, I even used MSIE under Wine... gulp. |
| 05:05.56 | k31th | kevinv: ohhh when it boots up you mean loading services etc. |
| 05:06.03 | k31th | its in centos as well which is a RHE clone |
| 05:06.21 | varsendaggr | kevinv, kinda scarry huh |
| 05:06.26 | k31th | kevinv: you got IE to work under wine ? |
| 05:06.31 | kevinv | k31th: I'm downloading and trying CentOS for the pure sake of that. |
| 05:06.51 | k31th | does a boot splash really matter ? |
| 05:06.54 | varsendaggr | kevinv, i am trying to run XBC to connect my xbox to my computer so that i can kill some folks |
| 05:06.54 | k31th | :D |
| 05:07.02 | varsendaggr | and it sais a firewall is up |
| 05:07.12 | kevinv | k31th: There's this project that helps users install MSIE and various apps in wine, a script actually. |
| 05:07.14 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : I tried...can't see why it wouldn't load if that line is correct in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 05:07.22 | varsendaggr | but i think wine just does'nt have the right permissions |
| 05:07.40 | frodo | I am trying to figure out how to fix it. |
| 05:07.49 | varsendaggr | kevinv, that is cool |
| 05:08.06 | varsendaggr | i ahve the program installed so it is working |
| 05:08.06 | k31th | we woudlnt need to if retarded web devs programmed to standards |
| 05:08.16 | k31th | kevinv: is that "legal" ? |
| 05:08.29 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : it's important that the line is exact mysqld/mysqld.sock |
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| 05:09.48 | GeorgeS069 | the error you pasted said it tried to connect to /var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock no d after the last mysql |
| 05:10.17 | GeorgeS069 | no idea why that would get messed up though |
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| 05:10.59 | kevinv | Wine Scripts: http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html |
| 05:11.01 | frodo_ | Do you know how I can fix the problem please? |
| 05:11.12 | kevinv | check out that website, it's a link directly from the wine website. |
| 05:11.13 | GeorgeS069 | frodo : it's important that the line is exact mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 05:11.18 | GeorgeS069 | the error you pasted said it tried to connect to /var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock no d after the last mysql |
| 05:11.34 | kevinv | I used it once, I used MSIE in Linux *hits himself* |
| 05:11.54 | GeorgeS069 | !slap kevinv |
| 05:12.02 | Vasistha | k31th: a bootsplash is completely aesthetic ... it has no "functional" purpose ... but some people are really into aesthetics! |
| 05:12.09 | frodo_ | The .sock file is missing |
| 05:12.17 | kevinv | http://appdb.winehq.org/ scroll to the bottom and find the three links. |
| 05:12.19 | k31th | lol |
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| 05:12.33 | Vasistha | kevinv: well hey, if you're developing web sites, ya gotta test on msie! |
| 05:12.48 | kevinv | I love bootsplashes, it's the next step to theming Linux... |
| 05:13.02 | kevinv | I can't wait for a MacOS X like bootsplash for Linux. hehe |
| 05:13.21 | GeorgeS069 | frodo_ : ok but.the line in debian.cnf is mysqld/mysqld.sock? |
| 05:13.42 | varsendaggr | kevinv, it is a good shortcut to getting on the net |
| 05:13.45 | kevinv | Vasistha: very true, some poor suckers never switched to firefox or even Linux for safer web surfing. |
| 05:14.30 | kevinv | Is opera still bulky? |
| 05:14.30 | frodo_ | Are you saying that the sock file and the debian.cnf are the same? |
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| 05:15.20 | GeorgeS069 | they should both be mysqld.sock in the debian.cnf and in /var/run/mysqld/ |
| 05:16.22 | kevinv | Check out the latest Vista videos in Ogg Theroa format: http://www.osvids.com/ |
| 05:16.39 | Vasistha | kevinv: bulky? mmm, probably. I'm just used to it. It takes a while to start up, but it's got a wonderfully fast rendering engine. It's a memory hog. |
| 05:16.44 | kevinv | Vista sorta reminds me of Linux now(effect wise). |
| 05:17.05 | kevinv | not security wise hehe |
| 05:17.12 | Vasistha | kevinv: "Viruses, Intruders, Spyware, Trojans: Attack!" |
| 05:17.25 | kevinv | The next MSIE has tabs(finally... hehe) |
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| 05:17.35 | Vasistha | okay, enough off-topic discussion for me |
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| 05:18.02 | frodo_ | I am confused |
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| 05:18.02 | Gnea | !vista |
| 05:18.02 | dpkg | [vista] an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 05:18.06 | Azar | I feel like a dork, still trying to figure out gkrellm |
| 05:18.14 | GeorgeS069 | me too :) |
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| 05:18.33 | Azar | Gnea can you spoonfed me about gkrellm? |
| 05:18.45 | TraceGreen | Hello, how to diff two binary file? |
| 05:18.53 | Gnea | Azar: apt-get install gkrellm |
| 05:18.56 | maikol | how do you start the desktop once its installed |
| 05:18.57 | varsendaggr | gkrellm is good |
| 05:19.12 | Azar | Gnea, I have and use it for long, but I am looking at it like a donkey |
| 05:19.12 | frodo_ | The /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock does not exist on my machine |
| 05:19.30 | Gnea | Azar: type 'gkrellm' without the quotes in an xterm |
| 05:19.43 | Azar | :) going for it |
| 05:19.43 | litage | can anyone recommend a sub-$300 8-port switch that is *very* reliable and can handle transferring a couple of gigs of data every day? |
| 05:20.34 | Vasistha | TraceGreen: diff ought to work for that. What do you mean? Maybe you want the --text option? (man diff ?) |
| 05:20.38 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.46 | GeorgeS069 | frodo_ : ok but,if the line in debian.cnf is looking for /var/run/mysqld/mysql.sock instead of mysqld.sock that might be why mysql won't start |
| 05:20.48 | sander_ | which ssh key should I backup to be able to login to a new reinstalled system without ssh complaining about the ssh key changed? |
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| 05:20.52 | Azar | ah |
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| 05:21.33 | frodo_ | If the mysqld.sock file is missing what should I do? |
| 05:21.38 | GeorgeS069 | I'm just guessing here...I'm no mysql expert |
| 05:21.53 | g333k | Hi, is still valid the installation method for madwifi cards? |
| 05:21.56 | sander_ | some of theese keys?: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* |
| 05:22.01 | GeorgeS069 | frodo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server maybe? |
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| 05:23.05 | Azar | any other channel on freenode that could spoonfed me about gkrellm? I try reading on google finds but is only programming stuff, scripts, etc |
| 05:23.20 | frodo_ | same error |
| 05:23.34 | Gnea | Azar: try removing the config file |
| 05:23.56 | Azar | uh ok Gnea |
| 05:24.05 | Gnea | in your homedir, of course |
| 05:24.09 | Gnea | not the global config file |
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| 05:24.44 | GeorgeS069 | frodo_ sorry dude...dunno what else to try except re-install the package |
| 05:24.54 | Azar | Gnea, no such file on my home directory |
| 05:25.05 | Azar | Gnea, what is a sxv file? |
| 05:25.14 | Azar | err a sxw |
| 05:25.26 | frodo_ | That fixed it. Ty |
| 05:25.32 | Gnea | no idea |
| 05:25.43 | GeorgeS069 | what fixed it? |
| 05:25.50 | Gnea | Azar: i dunno man, i type 'gkrellm' and it just comes right up, no errors |
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| 05:25.58 | g333k | hi, I want to install the madwifi drivers in a debian etch, which is the best way to do it? |
| 05:26.04 | Gnea | showing the phase of the moon and all |
| 05:26.09 | frodo_ | My deleting the cnf and running -reconfigure |
| 05:26.19 | GeorgeS069 | ok...cool |
| 05:26.25 | Azar | Gnea I start gkrellm from openbox menu, why should I start it from an xterm? |
| 05:26.27 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.27 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.27 | frodo_ | Thank you and that was so bad |
| 05:26.36 | Gnea | Azar: so you can see what the problem is |
| 05:26.48 | Azar | ohhh oh, Gnea is open but I cannot figure out what the monitors tell me |
| 05:26.53 | GeorgeS069 | you're welcome...wish I could ahve been more helpful |
| 05:26.57 | Gnea | Azar: i don't know what provides gtk tooltips |
| 05:27.11 | Gnea | Azar: go to the website then |
| 05:27.16 | Gnea | !google gkrellm |
| 05:27.18 | jetscreamer | !die |
| 05:27.18 | dpkg | I'll murder you jetscreamer! Skin you alive and toss you in the great salt lake! |
| 05:27.34 | jetscreamer | ow that would hurt |
| 05:27.43 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 05:27.50 | Azar | Gnea, yes I went there, checked tutorials, faq, howtos, nothing related to monitor activity |
| 05:27.56 | maikol | what do i need to run gnome |
| 05:28.09 | Gnea | Azar: uhm, well it tells you everything that's going on with the system, basically.... |
| 05:28.19 | Gnea | !gnome |
| 05:28.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 05:28.28 | Gnea | !install gnome |
| 05:28.28 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 05:28.44 | maikol | !x |
| 05:28.53 | Gnea | what? |
| 05:28.58 | maikol | set up x |
| 05:29.03 | Azar | Gnea I have a weird behavior at the router level and gkrellm tells me something but I can't figure out what is going on: when my other box loses connection the gkrellm shows me some stuff but I can't understand what it is |
| 05:29.03 | Gnea | no |
| 05:29.05 | Gnea | !set up x |
| 05:29.05 | dpkg | from memory, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 05:29.23 | shogunx | hey Gnea, did they fix E yet? |
| 05:29.31 | GeorgeS069 | JeffH : check in /etc/mailname file and see if your host name is in there |
| 05:29.37 | Gnea | Azar: it's probably freaking out due to the lost connection, sounds pretty basic to me |
| 05:29.42 | Gnea | shogunx: nafaik |
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| 05:29.59 | shogunx | Gnea, hmm. the apps build ok, just not the theme. |
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| 05:30.14 | Gnea | shogunx: e simply refuses to build. |
| 05:30.26 | JeffH | George: it is set to harriscomputersolutions.com |
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| 05:30.44 | Azar | hmmmm Gnea I checked with my ISP, they even came here checked the router, the connection line, everything seems perfect, I tend to thing the other box's card is dying but question is: how come gkrellm knows it from this other box? |
| 05:30.45 | TraceGreen | Vasistha, thanks. I mean, I have two binary files and i want to check whether they are the same. |
| 05:30.48 | Gnea | fuck, i forgot to buy ice cream |
| 05:30.57 | Vasistha | TraceGreen: use 'diff' |
| 05:31.03 | shogunx | Gnea i can give you the hacks to the Makefiles that will bypass building the theme if you like. |
| 05:31.12 | Vasistha | Gnea: no ice cream :-( |
| 05:31.14 | GeorgeS069 | JeffH : maybe look in /etc/hosts |
| 05:31.21 | Azar | can gkrellm check the entire network from this one box? |
| 05:31.26 | Gnea | shogunx: i don't know if that will help or not... doing an update now |
| 05:31.35 | Gnea | Vasistha: for now... muwahahaha! |
| 05:31.45 | shogunx | i have not built since i got it working on my xinerama setup. |
| 05:31.52 | mhall | dpkg: xgl |
| 05:31.53 | dpkg | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 05:32.01 | Gnea | Azar: gkrellm is just a simple monitor, not a packet decryptor |
| 05:32.05 | TraceGreen | Vasistha, yeah, thanks! |
| 05:32.05 | shogunx | i'll be happy to share the mods for you. |
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| 05:32.10 | Azar | Gnea, the blue represents the outbound, the yellow represents inbound in eth0 chart? |
| 05:32.25 | Gnea | Azar: fucked if i know, i changed the theme long ago |
| 05:32.30 | JeffH | George: yeah, I just found out that 'shelby' wasn't resolving to my machine.. added that to hosts and it works fine. |
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| 05:33.02 | kevinv | Hmm, Is the debian etch version of zsnes a static binary with sdl compiled in? |
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| 05:33.22 | frodo_ | I am installing debian on my other computer |
| 05:33.24 | GeorgeS069 | JeffH cool:) |
| 05:33.24 | kevinv | zsnes is the sdl version, but I don't have any sdl libs installed?!?!? |
| 05:33.24 | Gnea | shogunx: cool, i'm gonna see where it's at first and decide from there :) |
| 05:33.26 | Soplanuk | is there a pornographic repository? with free videos and photographs? |
| 05:33.35 | Gnea | kevinv: you don't? |
| 05:33.48 | Gnea | Soplanuk: on the internet. |
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| 05:33.53 | kevinv | Gnea: no, I just checked aptitude, nothing, nota. |
| 05:34.00 | Katai | Gnea, but free as in freedom ? |
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| 05:34.09 | cryo_ | hey |
| 05:34.10 | Katai | read it like in spanish : libre |
| 05:34.11 | Gnea | kevinv: aptitude is smoking crack, try apt-cache |
| 05:34.19 | Gnea | Katai: what? |
| 05:34.24 | cryo_ | What do I need to do in order to enabled winboxes to get online via the wireless card in my comp, iptables is already setup |
| 05:34.31 | Gnea | Katai: this is an english channel. |
| 05:34.37 | Katai | Gnea, about the pornography i said |
| 05:34.38 | cryo_ | I think it was something like configuring samba as WINS |
| 05:34.38 | Gnea | if you want spanish, go elsewhere. |
| 05:34.38 | kevinv | Could this be the problem with my staticy sound in zsnes? |
| 05:34.42 | shogunx | Gnea cool |
| 05:34.48 | Katai | if is there "porno" free (as in freedom) |
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| 05:35.01 | Gnea | Katai: please don't debate offtopic stuff here. |
| 05:35.15 | liable | i have /dev/net/tun, but i cant ifconfig tun0, suggestions? |
| 05:35.22 | Katai | sorry, the idea is create a debian repository with photos and videos |
| 05:35.31 | Gnea | liable: run the software to set it up first |
| 05:35.42 | liable | Gnea: which software is that? |
| 05:35.45 | cryo_ | Gnea, are you unable to assist me? |
| 05:36.05 | Gnea | liable: whatever you're trying to do, which you haven't explained yet |
| 05:36.12 | Gnea | cryo_: who the fuck are you? |
| 05:36.24 | Vasistha | cryo_: maybe you want ipmasq |
| 05:36.27 | cryo_ | I am an end user with a question |
| 05:36.35 | streuner | haha |
| 05:36.35 | cryo_ | Vasistha, that is already installed |
| 05:36.39 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 05:37.00 | Gnea | !ipmasq |
| 05:37.01 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 05:37.06 | frodo_ | Gnea maybe if you be nice the users in this channel will help you. |
| 05:37.07 | Gnea | cryo_: check that ^^ |
| 05:37.18 | cryo_ | Will do |
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| 05:37.28 | Gnea | frodo_: i'm helping people, i don't have a problem right now. |
| 05:37.55 | frodo_ | Sorry wrong user |
| 05:38.10 | sep | cryo_, your winboxes also need to use your linux box as it's default gw, and haev a workign nameresolution, but you have that right ? |
| 05:38.10 | jetscreamer | !kill |
| 05:38.12 | jetscreamer | !kill something |
| 05:39.18 | sep | liable, are you using openvpn ? |
| 05:39.20 | jetscreamer | i have all i want |
| 05:39.23 | maikol | alright, xserver installed, gnome installed, how do i start it? |
| 05:39.24 | jetscreamer | i'm married |
| 05:39.38 | Gnea | wow, you're really fucked then |
| 05:39.42 | Gnea | :) |
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| 05:39.43 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:39.44 | GeorgeS069 | poor jetscreamer |
| 05:39.45 | maikol | hah |
| 05:39.46 | Katai | maikol, install gdm and do /etc/init.d/gdm start (being root) |
| 05:39.49 | GeorgeS069 | !pity jetscreamer |
| 05:39.49 | dpkg | I pity da fool jetscreamer! |
| 05:39.55 | streuner | like G. S. said, good for women, bad for men :-) |
| 05:39.59 | maikol | Katai thanks |
| 05:40.01 | Azar | good night honorables and thanks again |
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| 05:40.10 | cryo_ | sep, it does not detect my card as an available wireless network yet |
| 05:40.11 | kevinv | I don't use a package for NAT, I use iptables and echo 1 > /proc/?/?/?/ip_forwarding |
| 05:40.12 | frodo_ | Good night everyone |
| 05:40.14 | liable | sep: qemu |
| 05:40.15 | cryo_ | am I missing something? |
| 05:40.21 | cryo_ | <3 qemu |
| 05:40.34 | cryo_ | vmware and the msvm are free now btw |
| 05:40.39 | dos000 | is there a way i can have a media file play and slowly increase the volume i am trying to make an alarm clock to finally get up from sleep |
| 05:40.42 | kevinv | Can't remember exactly what my script has in it exactly, i wrote it quite awhile back. |
| 05:40.50 | Gnea | vmware is free? prove it. |
| 05:40.54 | cryo_ | also the msvm support linux now |
| 05:40.56 | sep | liable, did you modprobe tun |
| 05:41.18 | Katai | dos000, there is a plugin for xmms that do that |
| 05:41.22 | liable | sep: yep, its loaded, and /dev/net/tun exists |
| 05:41.27 | sep | Gnea, vmware have released it's gsx server rebranded as vmware server in allways beta state. |
| 05:41.31 | cryo_ | Gnea, vmware responded to microsoft's decision of making it's VM software free by ditributing a free version themselves |
| 05:41.38 | Vasistha | dos000: hmm, that's an interesting problem. I know there are command-line utils to adjust sound settings, but dunno what they're called |
| 05:41.55 | dos000 | Katai, i need to run in the background the server is headless |
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| 05:41.58 | cryo_ | Vasistha alsamixer? |
| 05:42.07 | cafuego | Gnea: free as in beer, not speech. |
| 05:42.10 | Gnea | cryo_: oh, of the GSX server only - that doesn't include the ESX, Workstation or other vmware products. |
| 05:42.12 | sep | liable, i dont think i do anythign else then that ifconfig -a shows nothing ? |
| 05:42.17 | Vasistha | cryo_: perhaps, but not for me, I can't run alsa :-( |
| 05:42.20 | someothernick | beer? |
| 05:42.21 | cafuego | Gnea: vmware did that coz Xen started becoming useable. |
| 05:42.28 | Katai | well, I have no idea :P |
| 05:42.31 | liable | sep: no tun, nope :( |
| 05:42.33 | Vasistha | !beer someothernick |
| 05:42.38 | Gnea | cafuego: yeah |
| 05:42.41 | dos000 | Vasistha, i did this a while ago .. and cant remember how i did it |
| 05:42.47 | someothernick | why am i paying for beer? |
| 05:42.48 | cafuego | Gnea: vmware player (can only run images, not create them) is also free (beer) |
| 05:42.54 | someothernick | thanks :) |
| 05:42.56 | sep | liable, and tun is made with mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200 ? atltest it have those minor/major numbers ? |
| 05:43.03 | Gnea | cafuego: but vmware player sucks, so you get what you pay for |
| 05:43.09 | cryo_ | sep, will this howto describe the steps necessary to allow a windows machine to identify this card as a wireless node |
| 05:43.11 | Vasistha | someothernick: that's free beer, but you don't necessarily know the recipe. Free speech means you can change it, though it's not necessarily free like beer |
| 05:43.19 | cryo_ | i see it in netstumbler but that's all |
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| 05:43.29 | liable | sep: i didnt have to make it, it was just there. how do i check the numbers? |
| 05:43.31 | Vasistha | dos000: ah, you had a script that did it and you lost it? :-( |
| 05:43.33 | maikol | man, so close... xserver crashed |
| 05:43.40 | sep | ls -l |
| 05:43.56 | dos000 | Vasistha, i have all over my backups. cant get my hand on it. |
| 05:43.59 | someothernick | cool next rounds on me |
| 05:44.11 | IsDis4Me | i want to set up a graphical desktop with Gnome, KDE, OpenOffice, and xchat as well as some other basic software without having to access the internet |
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| 05:44.20 | IsDis4Me | for a while from the install site |
| 05:44.25 | liable | sep: ya, 10, 200 |
| 05:44.27 | IsDis4Me | How many of the 17 debian CD's |
| 05:44.31 | IsDis4Me | do I need to download |
| 05:44.34 | streuner | IsDis4Me: how much RAM do you have? |
| 05:44.34 | Katai | maikol, have you configure correctly xorg.conf ? or XFree86Conf-4 (well, i don't remember exactly de name, something like that) |
| 05:44.35 | ram_einstein | how do I use w3m and w3m-img to display images on the linux framebuffer? |
| 05:44.41 | zinx | IsDis4Me: None. you need the net install CD. |
| 05:44.50 | Gnea | IsDis4Me: do you have a decent internet connection? |
| 05:44.50 | IsDis4Me | here I do |
| 05:44.51 | IsDis4Me | but I am installing it |
| 05:44.55 | Vasistha | IsDis4Me: first of all, you can't run gnome and kde at the same time. Second, if you're only setting up one computer ... just get the first cd, or perhaps the net install cd |
| 05:44.55 | IsDis4Me | at a house that has dialup |
| 05:44.58 | kevinv | aha!!! I figured it out!! zsnes seems to like this package better: libsdl1.2debian-oss |
| 05:45.00 | IsDis4Me | I am burning the CD's here |
| 05:45.06 | Gnea | IsDis4Me: you might wanna just get 'em all then |
| 05:45.06 | kevinv | instead of this one: libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 05:45.08 | sep | liable, then i have no idea |
| 05:45.14 | frodo_ | Isdis I like the net install. |
| 05:45.21 | liable | sep: bugger, niether do i :( |
| 05:45.26 | ram_einstein | how do I use w3m and w3m-img to display images on the linux framebuffer? I'm using jfbterm |
| 05:45.26 | Vasistha | IsDis4Me: ooh, a compelling reason to get multiple cd's, indeed... |
| 05:45.27 | liable | sep: thanks anyway |
| 05:45.28 | IsDis4Me | if I was setting it up here I would just get the net install |
| 05:45.29 | kevinv | in otherwards, zsnes dis-likes ALSA, wonder why? |
| 05:45.38 | zinx | Vasistha: you can run gnome applications and KDE applications at the same time. you can even run the KDE window manager and the gnome panel at the same time.. just not the KDE window manager and the gnome window manager (metacity, or whatever else you choose) at the same time |
| 05:45.46 | IsDis4Me | I am introducing Linux to a noob |
| 05:45.48 | Vasistha | dos000: hmm, search p.d.o for "mix" or "mixer"? |
| 05:45.49 | IsDis4Me | that is why I want KDE and gnome |
| 05:45.52 | zinx | Vasistha: not sure about gnome panel/kde panel, but it would be kind of silly to run both anyway. |
| 05:45.53 | IsDis4Me | to show them that there is a choice |
| 05:45.54 | Gnea | kevinv: not if you load the oss compatibility layer |
| 05:46.08 | IsDis4Me | (without startling them with the elegant simplicity of Fluxbox) |
| 05:46.17 | zinx | IsDis4Me: download a couple of live cds |
| 05:46.18 | Vasistha | zinx: heh, that's true ... |
| 05:46.27 | IsDis4Me | hmmm that is a good idea |
| 05:46.33 | IsDis4Me | then i could show them multible distros :) |
| 05:46.37 | kevinv | I always have the OSS compatibility layer loaded, some apps aren't converted yet to ALSA. |
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| 05:46.55 | Gnea | kevinv: that's what the layer is FOR |
| 05:47.38 | GeorgeS069 | hurray...I got X workin! |
| 05:47.48 | kevinv | Gnea: Well, I'm happy now, I got zsnes to finally not have damn static in the sound. gnuboy worked without a flaw, love that gnuboy. |
| 05:47.53 | IsDis4Me | thanks guys |
| 05:48.00 | kevinv | Why doesn't Ubuntu include gnuboy? |
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| 05:48.14 | streuner | kevinv: #ubuntu |
| 05:48.20 | unstable | !tell kevinv about ubuntu |
| 05:48.24 | kevinv | I know, I know |
| 05:48.29 | Katai | !tell Katai about ubuntu |
| 05:48.40 | unstable | Katai: /msg dpkg help; /msg dpkg ubuntu; |
| 05:48.41 | deadcat_ | Katai: please use /msg dpkg |
| 05:48.44 | unstable | !tell Katai about msgdpkg |
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| 05:49.04 | Katai | sorry sorry, I didn't know |
| 05:49.13 | unstable | It's fine, no problem. |
| 05:49.21 | Katai | ^.^ |
| 05:49.36 | liable | deadcat_: finally found out what happened to glxgears. theres a crazy flag now to make it show fps |
| 05:49.48 | deadcat_ | liable: ah. what is it (= |
| 05:49.50 | kevinv | I use debian mainly, but I do have an 80GB drive with many distros on it. hehe |
| 05:49.53 | deadcat_ | gimegimegime |
| 05:49.59 | ram_einstein | I have a problem with the consoles. The display of all ncurses apps like links are slightly broken and the manpages contain a few junk characters. What is going on? a TERMINFO issue? |
| 05:50.00 | kevinv | 5GB/distro |
| 05:50.17 | zinx | liable: do you acknowledge that glxgears isn't a benchmark? |
| 05:50.20 | liable | deadcat_: /msg dpkg glxgears (you'll laugh your ass off when you see it :) |
| 05:50.24 | deadcat_ | k |
| 05:50.30 | liable | zinx: i dont care |
| 05:50.36 | kevinv | That's 16 distros at my fingertips. |
| 05:50.45 | liable | zinx: oh, the flag? yeah something like that :) |
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| 05:50.46 | kevinv | I'm crazy aren't I? |
| 05:50.53 | deadcat_ | hahaha |
| 05:50.55 | deadcat_ | liable: nice one |
| 05:51.28 | maikol | xserver is complaining about not being able to open default font 'fixed'; |
| 05:51.32 | deadcat_ | liable: ok. i am getting 626 FPS |
| 05:51.45 | Vasistha | kevinv: you are a distro junkie, that's all |
| 05:51.55 | liable | deadcat_: is that one the box with the 7500? |
| 05:52.32 | deadcat_ | liable: no. this is the desktop machine with a nvidia 5200fx, but the MB can only handle 4x AGP while the card is 8x |
| 05:52.41 | Katai | maikol, is there a line in the xserver log that start with (EE) ? |
| 05:52.43 | streuner | Vashistha: /msg dpkg fable |
| 05:52.49 | deadcat_ | and i doubt dual monitor has anything to do with it. |
| 05:52.57 | liable | oh, mine has gone down since the last time i tried it.. |
| 05:53.04 | deadcat_ | ah |
| 05:53.10 | streuner | Vasistha: /msg dpkg fable |
| 05:53.26 | maikol | Katai lemme check. /var/log/xfree86.0.log? |
| 05:53.40 | GeorgeS069 | is there a quick way to get sound working in Xorg? |
| 05:53.42 | unstable | haha, that is hilarious liable |
| 05:54.00 | unstable | I thought it was just in the factoid, but after I installed it...I found out this is a real option! |
| 05:54.01 | Katai | maikol, maybe, i don't remember about xfree86 :/ |
| 05:54.07 | streuner | GeorgeS069: cat /proc/version |
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| 05:54.32 | GeorgeS069 | 2.6.15 |
| 05:54.47 | achandra_ | hello..how do rename an interface in debain..manually. I have a device bound to eth0 that I need to rename to wlan0. ?? |
| 05:54.50 | streuner | we need the whole output |
| 05:54.56 | GeorgeS069 | ok...just a sec |
| 05:55.30 | maikol | Katai didnt see (EE) |
| 05:55.30 | GeorgeS069 | Linux version 2.6.15-1-686 (Debian 2.6.15-4) (maks@sternwelten.at) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060128 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-8)) #2 Thu Feb 2 18:29:01 UTC 2006 |
| 05:56.40 | Katai | maikol, do a cat xfree86.0.log | grep "(EE)", maybe ... |
| 05:56.42 | Vasistha | streuner: brilliant fable... thanks ... sorry I never got to be here when things were better |
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| 05:56.57 | deadcat_ | maikol: just less the log file |
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| 05:57.51 | s0crates | hello everyone. I wanted to run a virtual machine under debian and was wondering what was the best supported vm in debian? |
| 05:57.56 | vovo4ka | hi! where is rc.firewall in debian ? |
| 05:58.01 | unstable | s0crates: xen |
| 05:58.03 | maikol | Katai yes, showed up in the midst of others |
| 05:58.11 | unstable | !tell s0crates about xen |
| 05:58.11 | Eclipser | mh, anyone know of a multiuser drawing program? |
| 05:58.21 | Katai | can you paste the line in pastebin.com ? |
| 05:58.27 | maikol | sure |
| 05:58.29 | Katai | all the lines with (EE) |
| 05:58.38 | maikol | Katai only one shows up |
| 05:58.38 | streuner | GeorgeS069: add your user to the audio group, log out and back in, run 'alsaconf' and make sure you haven't any OSS modules loaded. |
| 05:58.41 | Katai | ok |
| 05:59.04 | maikol | post at pastbin or just msg you with it |
| 05:59.06 | unstable | Eclipser: I believe gaim has some students working on support for drawing on yahoo network via gaim |
| 05:59.19 | Katai | msg it if is only a line |
| 05:59.39 | s0crates | unstable: thanks-- i was also intrigued by openvz, which one do you prefer.. and a short why if you don't mind |
| 06:00.10 | sep | s0crates, i'v used vmware and qemu in debian both work as expected. |
| 06:00.24 | maikol | sent |
| 06:00.27 | s0crates | i read qemu was slow |
| 06:00.27 | unstable | s0crates: I saw "live migration" virtualization at Linux World, the guy had three computers, box1 was a movie streamer(streaming movies), box2 was the client, getting the movie. So he put the virtual machine on box3, while the movie was being streamed, it happened in less then a second. And the client didn't have any interrupt in the movie. |
| 06:00.28 | ram_einstein | I have jfbterm, w3m and w3m-img. The images in web pages still aren't displayed on my linux framebuffer. What more do I need to do? |
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| 06:00.35 | unstable | s0crates: They did the same thing with Quake 3 also |
| 06:00.37 | Katai | well, that's not and error |
| 06:00.50 | maikol | Katai didnt think so |
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| 06:00.57 | unstable | s0crates: That was with xen by the way. |
| 06:01.44 | maikol | Katai i just installed. did i configure wrong? |
| 06:01.45 | s0crates | unstable: and that was enough to convince huh.. cool, sounds good. an associate has wanted to go with xen as well just wanted to do some research before we totally went in one direction |
| 06:01.59 | Katai | maikol, did you check the monitor hz ? |
| 06:02.09 | maikol | didnt ask for i |
| 06:02.10 | maikol | t |
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| 06:02.34 | GeorgeS069 | streuner : thank you |
| 06:02.39 | s0crates | seems like xen is the way to go. we're also big debian users. he's been using since potato and me since woody |
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| 06:03.12 | Eclipser | unstable, so it seems, I'd want something bit more standalone though :) |
| 06:03.26 | sep | s0crates, qemu is significantly slower without kqemu also for servers it's not realy the thing. xen will be more suiteable |
| 06:03.34 | Katai | well, I return to make my lfs, see u later |
| 06:03.34 | unstable | Eclipser: I don't know of anything |
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| 06:03.41 | omi_ | Hello, I'm' having udev issues. I added two NICs to my box now when /etc/init.d/udev starts eth0 get's renamed to eth2_temp |
| 06:03.48 | unstable | Eclipser: possily someone in #gimp might know more about the subject then in here |
| 06:03.54 | Eclipser | unstable, I don't expect you to :) |
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| 06:04.06 | omi_ | 1. Why does renaming happen? 2.Where is it controlled? |
| 06:04.14 | s0crates | hey, if i joined #debian in oftc.net would i be routed here? |
| 06:04.14 | s0crates | sep, unstable: thanks |
| 06:04.19 | s0crates | take care all i'm going to try oftc.net see if i get routed here |
| 06:04.30 | unstable | s0crates: no |
| 06:04.35 | unstable | s0crates: This is a different network then oftc |
| 06:04.40 | s0crates | oh |
| 06:04.49 | sep | s0crates, no this is just the people who havent paied attention that's here, but many of us is on both nets |
| 06:04.53 | unstable | s0crates: although the bot we all abuse is synced to be the same on both networks |
| 06:04.57 | unstable | !abuse |
| 06:04.58 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 06:05.06 | someothernick | lol |
| 06:05.07 | s0crates | hehe |
| 06:05.29 | omi_ | !atm |
| 06:05.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, atm is (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. or 'at the moment' or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50. |
| 06:06.06 | GeorgeS069 | streuner: still no sound in xmms and it's set for also output |
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| 06:06.20 | ruxpin | how do I get the list of running and available system services (daemons) from the console? |
| 06:06.23 | omi_ | Does anyone know why eth0 gets renamed to eth2_temp ? |
| 06:06.23 | unstable | GeorgeS069: What user are you trying to use sound as? |
| 06:06.27 | omi_ | when udev boots |
| 06:06.29 | s0crates | !tell someothernick about lol |
| 06:06.33 | unstable | ruxpin: ps aux ? |
| 06:06.52 | streuner | GeorgeS069: run xmms in cli and tell us an error or even not |
| 06:06.53 | someothernick | :( |
| 06:06.53 | ruxpin | unstable: well.. ps aux | grep 'd$' isn't exactly what I was thinking |
| 06:06.56 | s0crates | someothernick: sorry, it was done to me, had to do it to someone else.. =) |
| 06:07.11 | someothernick | hehe |
| 06:07.17 | ruxpin | unstable: something like 'rc-status or system-services-daemon' |
| 06:07.31 | unstable | GeorgeS069: type "groups george" and see if user george is added to the group "audio" |
| 06:08.11 | GeorgeS069 | yes...I am added |
| 06:08.23 | GeorgeS069 | hang on a sec...X just crashed |
| 06:08.30 | kevinv | !rob |
| 06:08.31 | dpkg | i heard rob is (Radically Omnipotent Boy) A tall, bearded, long-haired person who is scarily intelligent and often dangerous (they have been known to be photographed with axes and chainsaws). A ROB normally likes to drive really fast cars and eat lots of pizza. ROBs also frequently contribute nearly 100% of the content of on-line Internet webzines. |
| 06:08.36 | sep | omi_, have no idea, but google came up with this http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm |
| 06:08.36 | streuner | GeorgeS069: oh, ALSA is muted by default, so did you use aumix to increase the sound? |
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| 06:09.20 | GeorgeS069 | frack...I hate computers |
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| 06:09.45 | unstable | GeorgeS069: killall esd; killall artsd; apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils; alsaconf; |
| 06:09.57 | unstable | GeorgeS069: Then as a regular user; start alsamixer and turn up all levels |
| 06:10.12 | unstable | GeorgeS069: show me "lsmod|grep -i oss" |
| 06:10.19 | unstable | !tell GeorgeS069 about paste |
| 06:10.57 | sep | unstable, beware or youll be automaticaly flood kicked yourself |
| 06:10.59 | sep | :) |
| 06:11.20 | unstable | sep: I have the timings down. ): |
| 06:11.29 | sep | haha |
| 06:11.31 | liable | sep: uml-utilities did the trick, but i dont understand why i had to use it to start with |
| 06:11.38 | unstable | It has to be 4 lines in less then 2 seconds, or 1.5 seconds |
| 06:11.41 | streuner | unstable: how hard is to setup that hostmask? |
| 06:11.50 | unstable | streuner: really easy |
| 06:11.52 | ram_einstein | does anyone know how to get w3m-img working with the linux framebuffer? |
| 06:11.54 | sep | liable, i dont know |
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| 06:11.56 | streuner | unstable: how? |
| 06:11.59 | unstable | streuner: apt-get install tor privoxy |
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| 06:12.13 | streuner | unstable: that's all? |
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| 06:12.24 | unstable | streuner: no |
| 06:12.40 | unstable | streuner: edit /etc/privoxy/config and as the first line put this: "forward-socks4a / localhost:9050 ." |
| 06:12.57 | unstable | streuner: including the . at the end; then go to your irc config, and connect to 127.0.0.1 port 9050 |
| 06:13.17 | unstable | streuner: Not only is this good for a hostmask, it's probably one of the most anonymous, if not the most anonymous networks out there. |
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| 06:13.38 | vrt | hello all, i just purchased m$ wirless mmedia k/b and mouse |
| 06:13.48 | vrt | with a single usb-based signal receptor |
| 06:13.53 | unstable | ie, if my government wants to know what I'm doing...they have no idea. They have no idea I'm on freenode right now, as it's all encrypted/going through many hops in a random fashion that can't be traced. |
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| 06:14.01 | vrt | the k/b seems to work fine, no scancode errors as yet.. |
| 06:14.02 | unstable | !greet vrt |
| 06:14.03 | dpkg | Welcome, vrt |
| 06:14.22 | vrt | hello unstable |
| 06:14.38 | vrt | what are the modules i would need for my mouse to work? |
| 06:14.45 | unstable | usbhid irrc |
| 06:14.55 | streuner | unstable: thanks. |
| 06:15.16 | vrt | ah ok.. so i would just need a modprobe usbhid right? |
| 06:15.17 | unstable | streuner: no problem |
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| 06:15.49 | unstable | streuner: I also use tor with firefox. Like if someone gives me a url to their website via irc, I use the "tor button" extension. To enable tor and then I connect. |
| 06:15.56 | kevinv | i like dpkg's explaination of 'microsoft' |
| 06:15.59 | GeorgeS069 | how do I un-mute in alsa mixer? |
| 06:16.05 | kevinv | m |
| 06:16.16 | unstable | GeorgeS069: Did you do what I said? |
| 06:16.18 | kevinv | GeorgeS069: the 'm' key |
| 06:17.10 | GeorgeS069 | yes...did all that and xmms is playing the files now but,no sound is comming out |
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| 06:18.48 | GeorgeS069 | I checked connections |
| 06:18.51 | vrt | guys, is there any channel for bluetooth devices ? dunno where to ask.. |
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| 06:19.03 | yzrider088 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:19.19 | kevinv | who told dpkg what a 'gate' is? hehe |
| 06:19.39 | unstable | kevinv: /msg dpkg help; /msg dpkg factinfo gate; |
| 06:19.39 | streuner | kevinv: /msg dpkg factinfo <factoid> |
| 06:19.44 | kevinv | Quoted from dpkg: together with bill and end with s, it's more evil than satan himself. |
| 06:19.54 | kevinv | lol |
| 06:20.01 | cahoot | GeorgeS069: does a simple app like aplay produce audible result? |
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| 06:20.45 | unstable | Eclipser: inkscape has inkboard with jabber. |
| 06:21.00 | streuner | crap, that's a chicken egg problem then :-) |
| 06:21.01 | GeorgeS069 | ok...now I get an xmms error |
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| 06:21.16 | yzrider088 | how can i restart inetd, making sure that it comes up....because im remote to the server, and if it doesnt come up im screwed |
| 06:21.16 | Eclipser | I'll check it out |
| 06:21.33 | unstable | Eclipser: again not standalone though |
| 06:21.35 | GeorgeS069 | output plugin is alsa 1.2.10 |
| 06:21.38 | kevinv | dpkg is very entertaining to chat to. |
| 06:21.57 | unstable | !bot |
| 06:21.57 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 06:21.58 | kevinv | dpkg can cheer up the most depressed person in the world. |
| 06:22.15 | kevinv | !abuse |
| 06:22.15 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 06:22.20 | kevinv | hehe |
| 06:22.25 | unstable | !love kevinv |
| 06:22.31 | kevinv | but I couldn't resist |
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| 06:22.52 | kevinv | !smack unstable |
| 06:23.05 | cahoot | kevinv: getting pretty old |
| 06:23.10 | kevinv | wait... is dpkg male or female? |
| 06:23.18 | streuner | dpkg, gender? |
| 06:23.19 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 06:24.16 | GeorgeS069 | this might be a problem when alsaconf finds my soundcard is says it's a atiixp ATI technologies Inc: Unknown device 4370 (rev 02) |
| 06:24.20 | kevinv | so dpkg is both male and female, wowsers! |
| 06:24.31 | unstable | cahoot: everyone has to discovers the wonders of dpkg for the first time |
| 06:24.59 | kevinv | holy! ask dpkg about 'sex' |
| 06:25.23 | kevinv | it's how the nerds have sex. lol |
| 06:25.30 | unstable | kevinv: we know, we've all been here talking to dpkg for years. Lots of us created the factoids. |
| 06:25.41 | GeorgeS069 | real nerds don't have sex :) |
| 06:25.51 | unstable | GeorgeS069: lsmod|grep -i oss |
| 06:26.19 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 06:26.20 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. /join #debian-bots and play there |
| 06:26.25 | vrt | yzrider088, you could do a grep on netstat -a on the port |
| 06:26.34 | GeorgeS069 | unstable: nothing comes up |
| 06:26.39 | Phated | 'lo peterS/ |
| 06:26.43 | unstable | GeorgeS069: That sounds like your problem. |
| 06:26.44 | peterS | Phated. |
| 06:26.53 | Phated | peterS. |
| 06:26.59 | peterS | Phated! |
| 06:27.03 | unstable | GeorgeS069: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 06:27.05 | Phated | peterS! |
| 06:27.14 | peterS | wow, you catch on fast |
| 06:27.21 | kevinv | I should tell my win buddies to join this channel purely to communicate with dpkg, I'm laughing my head off here. This the utmost funniest bot I've ever come across. |
| 06:27.21 | Phated | wow, I catch on fast ;) |
| 06:27.40 | *** join/#debian atrus (i=atrus@S01060000b48e3b44.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 06:27.41 | kevinv | dpkg is somewhat like a funny wiki. |
| 06:27.45 | peterS | kevinv: yeah. so don't. that would be even more annoying than you doing it. |
| 06:28.09 | *** part/#debian atrus (i=atrus@S01060000b48e3b44.cg.shawcable.net) |
| 06:28.14 | unstable | kevinv: yea, dondelelcaro created a wiki system years and years before wikis existed! He is ahead of his time. |
| 06:28.27 | kevinv | many people added to dpkg like many people add to a wiki |
| 06:28.27 | Phated | No duh. |
| 06:29.08 | GeorgeS069 | unstable: ssame error in xm |
| 06:29.19 | GeorgeS069 | unstable: same error in xmms |
| 06:29.28 | unstable | GeorgeS069: Go to preferences, and change your audio output to oss |
| 06:30.14 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, stupid bot tricks is <reply> Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* play with teh bots, don't do it here. Use /msg and play there. |
| 06:30.14 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 06:30.27 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: stupid bot tricks =~ s/teh/the/ |
| 06:30.27 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 06:30.33 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:30.33 | GeorgeS069 | same error |
| 06:30.42 | daxxar | dpkg, tell me about stupid bot tricks |
| 06:30.53 | daxxar | :) |
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| 06:31.33 | kevinv | how could I update, or could someone else please update the dpkg explaination for zsnes, it's a little outdated. |
| 06:31.46 | unstable | kevinv: /msg dpkg no znes is blah blah here |
| 06:32.23 | kevinv | unstable: thanks, what would be a better zsnes desc? hmm, I'll check the offical website... |
| 06:32.57 | peterS | wait, why does dpkg even _need_ an explanation for zsnes? can't people use 'apt-cache show'? |
| 06:33.14 | peterS | I mean, there's no need for the bot to be able to explain every package in debian, why that one? |
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| 06:33.30 | unstable | ZSNES is an acclaimed emulator for the Super Famicom and SNES video game systems. Since 2001, ZSNES has been free software, under the GNU GPL. It was originally DOS-based, but has since been ported to Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD. |
| 06:33.30 | unstable | ZSNES is largely written in Intel x86 assembly language, and is therefore not easily portable to other architectures, such as PowerPC. Due to being written in assembly, ZSNES is very fast, allowing it to run most SNES games at 50-60 frames per second with a computer that has a 400 MHz Pentium 2 CPU and 64 MB RAM, with full stereo sound and basic graphics interpolation. |
| 06:33.33 | unstable | kevinv |
| 06:33.43 | unstable | pick from those paragraphs what you feel is important |
| 06:33.48 | peterS | unstable: could you answer the question please |
| 06:34.06 | unstable | peterS: I dunno, he is editing the factoid, let him have his fun. |
| 06:34.17 | GeorgeS069 | unstable: test sound works ok in kde control center |
| 06:34.22 | unstable | It is an old factoid, it says zsnes is only for windows. |
| 06:34.29 | Phated | So change that. |
| 06:34.32 | streuner | GeorgeS069: oh |
| 06:34.35 | Phated | And leave the rest of it the fuck alone. |
| 06:34.44 | maikol | xserver is crashing because of fixed font and gdm cant load |
| 06:34.45 | streuner | GeorgeS069: so just turn off ARTS (sounddaemon) |
| 06:35.06 | GeorgeS069 | lol...how do I do that? kill artsd ? |
| 06:35.40 | seb- | when does /etc/crontab get read? |
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| 06:35.52 | seb- | doesn't look like /etc/init.d/cron reads it |
| 06:35.55 | streuner | GeorgeS069: run kcontrol and turn off sounddaemon |
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| 06:35.57 | christor | Hello |
| 06:36.11 | kevinv | unstable: I desided to keep mostly the original description, but changing what needed to be changed. Tell me what you think, I can't get the 'Me thinks' out of there though. |
| 06:36.31 | christor | I m configuring snort for debian and I have an ath0 int due to wifi connection. What is the interface which should be in listen ? ath0 or wifi0? |
| 06:36.37 | kevinv | unstable: original desc for zsnes: extra, extra, read all about it, zsnes is a cool snes emulator written in mostly ASM and is much faster than snes9x, it is currently DOS/Win32 only, but it will be going open source soon |
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| 06:37.27 | peterS | kevinv: me thinks is just the bot being cute. you should go for that, you seem to be wired that way. |
| 06:37.34 | GeorgeS069 | lol...I killed it and xmms is playing :) |
| 06:37.41 | GeorgeS069 | thanks for the help |
| 06:37.42 | kenoan | what does the 's' in the mode field of a dir signify? |
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| 06:37.57 | peterS | kenoan: where in the mode field? there are two places it can appear |
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| 06:38.20 | streuner | GeorgeS069: you are welcome. |
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| 06:38.22 | kenoan | peterS: rws instead of rwx in the ls -l of a dir. |
| 06:38.24 | kevinv | peterS: yeah, I found that out after I re-asked about 'zsnes'. |
| 06:38.24 | vovo4ka | 8-) |
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| 06:38.31 | peterS | kenoan: actually I take that back, only one of those is ever actually used. it means newly created files will use the group ID of the directory, not the group ID of the process that created the file |
| 06:38.41 | vovo4ka | where i should put my rc.firewall ? |
| 06:38.53 | vovo4ka | in what rc level? |
| 06:39.07 | peterS | kenoan: you aren't being very specific. a directory could be drwxrwsrwx or drwsrwxrwx. see the difference? the second form doesn't have any effect, though. |
| 06:39.22 | deadcat_ | vovo4ka: rc2.d |
| 06:39.28 | vovo4ka | thanx |
| 06:39.40 | GeorgeS069 | wooohooo...I gots sounds again:) |
| 06:39.46 | vovo4ka | what is the prefix of such scripts? |
| 06:39.46 | kenoan | peterS: i have changed the mode of one user dir from rws to rwx. how to change it back to rws? |
| 06:39.50 | vovo4ka | S20... and so on |
| 06:39.55 | peterS | kenoan: chmod g+s |
| 06:39.55 | GeorgeS069 | !beer unstable |
| 06:39.57 | deadcat_ | vovo4ka: yes |
| 06:40.01 | GeorgeS069 | !beer streuner |
| 06:40.21 | streuner | GeorgeS069: thanks :-) |
| 06:40.29 | vovo4ka | deadcat_, what means this prefix? |
| 06:40.34 | GeorgeS069 | yw |
| 06:40.40 | unstable | dammit, I love Yuengling, why did dpkg give me Guinness |
| 06:40.42 | GeorgeS069 | and ya got a Lager too :) |
| 06:40.47 | kenoan | peterS: it works. thks. |
| 06:40.51 | unstable | dpkg, why do you hate me |
| 06:40.51 | dpkg | because you make me sick, unstable |
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| 06:40.56 | deadcat_ | vovo4ka: put the shell script in /etc/init.d then man update-rc.d |
| 06:41.06 | vovo4ka | ok.. 8-) |
| 06:41.15 | vovo4ka | deadcat_, you not so dead |
| 06:41.26 | GeorgeS069 | is dpkg and eggdrop with hal module by any chance? |
| 06:41.26 | deadcat_ | hell to the no |
| 06:41.28 | kenoan | unstable: what is Yuengling? |
| 06:41.47 | unstable | The oldest american beer that exists |
| 06:41.48 | peterS | GeorgeS069: no |
| 06:41.52 | streuner | GeorgeS069: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 06:41.53 | kenoan | vovo4ka: deadcat is dead and never ever going to die. |
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| 06:42.02 | vovo4ka | =)) |
| 06:42.07 | unstable | kenoan: As dpkg said, it's a "lager" |
| 06:42.09 | kenoan | unstable: sounds like a chinese girl name. |
| 06:42.30 | peterS | kenoan: you sound like an Irish girl name |
| 06:42.30 | deadcat_ | kenoan: any chinese name sounds like a chinese girl name (= |
| 06:42.38 | kevinv | Has anyone heard of swftools? |
| 06:42.44 | kenoan | hehehe |
| 06:43.32 | peterS | no, kevinv, I think we use swf-player or gnash or flasm |
| 06:43.39 | kenoan | deadcat_: long live deadcat. is that a contradiction? |
| 06:43.42 | kevinv | !swftools |
| 06:43.43 | dpkg | swftools is probably a great set of tools for creating and modifying swf files. It can be cross-compiled to multiple OSes including Linux. Check it out at http://www.swftools.org/ could someone please maintain this wonderful application under debian? |
| 06:44.03 | deadcat_ | kenoan: i am like elvis.. except i aint fat. |
| 06:44.24 | kenoan | got to get back to serious work. bye |
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| 06:44.53 | kevinv | Didn't think anyone used ChatZilla. How is ChatZilla? |
| 06:44.57 | streuner | How come someone to the idea this isn't serious work here? :-) |
| 06:44.58 | unstable | kevinv: That tool is non-free; There are way too many legal issues also. It will never go in main. |
| 06:45.29 | kevinv | unstable, but it could go to non-free, right? |
| 06:45.40 | unstable | kevinv: possibly, I dunno |
| 06:45.44 | unstable | !tell kevinv about non-free |
| 06:45.46 | kevinv | unstable: I compiled it, and loved it! |
| 06:45.49 | unstable | !tell kevinv about wnpp |
| 06:46.02 | unstable | kevinv: Well some people aren't as pure as others and use evil non-free software. |
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| 06:47.51 | kevinv | unstable: It is released under the GPL though? What legal issues are surrounding it, btw... out of curiousity? I was using it mainly because it stated 'released under the GPL'. I actually didn't know the other half of the story. |
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| 06:49.09 | Mitja | I just installed debian and have some interesting network problems. RX packets on eth1 are incoming with reasonable speed, but internet connection times out after a couple of seconds. I can ping, but it says sendmsg: Operation not permitted. Anyone knows what might be wrong? |
| 06:49.43 | streuner | Mitja: what does BTS say about? |
| 06:49.58 | Mitja | BTS? |
| 06:50.12 | streuner | !tell Mitja about bts |
| 06:50.19 | unstable | kevinv: There are lots of things released under gpl that are illegal in America. |
| 06:50.35 | Mitja | !BTS |
| 06:50.35 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
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| 06:50.56 | unstable | kevinv: ie, libdvdcss, which you use to play commercial dvds. But because of the DMCA act from 1998, it is illegal for GNU / Linux users to play dvds now. |
| 06:51.00 | kevinv | unstable: thank god I'm not in america then, I'm above you in Canada. |
| 06:51.09 | Mitja | streuner, this is stable version |
| 06:51.21 | streuner | Mitja: ok, /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 06:51.27 | ram_einstein | my grub starts the command line and I have to manually choose the menu.1st configuration file for it. ie. It doesn't autoprase it and display the OS list. Why? |
| 06:51.40 | ram_einstein | the menu.1st is in /boot/grub anyway |
| 06:51.51 | kevinv | unstable: Canada doesn't have these legal issues right? |
| 06:52.09 | kevinv | Has anyone heard of the Canadian grown OS? OpenBSD? |
| 06:52.10 | Vasistha | ram_einstein: first, I *think* that should be .lst not 1st |
| 06:52.26 | kevinv | Has any ever heard the OpenBSD songs that were composed? |
| 06:52.31 | unstable | kevinv: They have something similar to the DMCA yes. |
| 06:52.37 | Mitja | streuner, I'm using those commands |
| 06:52.38 | ram_einstein | Vasistha: whatever, my typo |
| 06:52.52 | Mitja | just don't know what is wrong |
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| 06:52.59 | streuner | kevinv: uhm, opensource songs from linuxtag are better, IMO |
| 06:53.11 | yang | How do I build nvidia drivers for etch ? |
| 06:53.21 | GeorgeS069 | does anyone know why my lspci output has all my ATI stuff listed as ATI but,also says unknown ? |
| 06:53.42 | kevinv | Check out this site: http://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html |
| 06:53.49 | Vasistha | ram_einstein: hrm. definitely sounds like a grub issue... it might be a good idea to post your menu.lst in pastebin ... in fact, I'm pretty sure there's some kind of grub option to load the command line vs the menu first |
| 06:53.58 | unstable | kevinv: other programs that are illegal, lame, mplayer |
| 06:54.05 | kevinv | streuner: oh, never heard them, is there a link? |
| 06:54.07 | unstable | kevinv: A lot of media related programs have lots of legal issues. |
| 06:54.35 | unstable | kevinv: Flash is particularly annoying, because it's not an open standard. And there are no good flash players for GNU / Linux. SO people are at the mercy of Adobe. |
| 06:54.37 | ram_einstein | Vasistha: okay, I'll be back after a reboot |
| 06:54.40 | Vasistha | unstable: not necessarily illegal... I think it's more accurate to say "of questionably legality" |
| 06:54.44 | unstable | ie, you can use flash with 64 bit enviroment. Because adobe says so |
| 06:54.45 | Vasistha | ram_einstein: wait |
| 06:54.46 | streuner | kevinv: you usually get the CD from linuxtag CD's, they had a link for those songs, but last time it wasn't on the server anymore |
| 06:54.53 | ram_einstein | Vasistha: what is it? |
| 06:55.00 | streuner | kevinv: linuxtag.de |
| 06:55.01 | kevinv | unstable: Is OpenSSH illegal for you as well? |
| 06:55.02 | peterS | unstable: wait, what has adobe to do with flash? |
| 06:55.07 | unstable | kevinv: no |
| 06:55.15 | Vasistha | ram_einstein: you shouldn't need to reboot in order to put menu.lst on pastebin, we should try to figure out what the issue is, first |
| 06:55.17 | unstable | peterS: They bought Macromedia? |
| 06:55.35 | peterS | unstable: wow, they did? they're getting kinda big then |
| 06:55.45 | Vasistha | ram_einstein: I don't think a reboot is actually going to tell us anything useful, when we haven't even made an attempt to solve the problem yet |
| 06:55.52 | ram_einstein | Vasistha: I wrote the menu.lst. I don't see an entry I don't know |
| 06:55.53 | streuner | unstable: sure. |
| 06:56.01 | ram_einstein | Vasistha: I just installed a newer version of grub |
| 06:56.06 | ram_einstein | that's why I want to reboot |
| 06:56.12 | ram_einstein | I had an old version |
| 06:56.13 | kevinv | unstable: That's good, cause if OpenSSH was illegal then you'll have to use telnet :P |
| 06:56.16 | Vasistha | ram_einstein: hum. alright, sounds like a good idea! |
| 06:56.32 | ram_einstein | which might be looking for grub.conf or something instead of menu.lst |
| 06:56.40 | peterS | kevinv: did you read the wnpp bug about swftools? |
| 06:59.07 | kevinv | peterS: Where is it located? |
| 06:59.24 | peterS | kevinv: same place all wnpp bugs are located. http://bugs.debian.org/187275 |
| 06:59.32 | streuner | kevinv: http://openmusic.linuxtag.org/modules/freecontent/content/openmusic/ |
| 06:59.39 | unstable | !tell kevinv about wnpp |
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| 07:00.40 | streuner | !dbugs 187275 |
| 07:00.43 | dpkg | #187275:W[wnpp] ITP: swftools -- collection of SWF (Flash) manipulation and generation; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 13:03:03 UTC |
| 07:01.06 | kevinv | wow, I chat to Simo Kauppi a few times in the swftools mailinglist. He said he'd attempt to get it into debian repos, I guess he is. |
| 07:01.09 | peterS | yes, you read right, someone first expressed interest in it over 3 years ago |
| 07:01.40 | peterS | kevinv: he's not trying very hard. last activity on this was 5 months ago. |
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| 07:03.26 | kevinv | ah, okay it's relating to LAME. I have compiled a piror version without lame, I never used MP3 support in swftools yet. |
| 07:03.57 | kevinv | peterS: thanks, I'll talk to him on the swftools mailinglist. |
| 07:05.18 | streuner | apt, test |
| 07:05.20 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 07:05.42 | yang | how do I list what is started within init.d |
| 07:06.11 | unstable | yang: apt-get install rcconf; rcconf; |
| 07:06.20 | streuner | yang: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/* ? |
| 07:06.32 | unstable | or that |
| 07:07.41 | peterS | well, there's /etc/rc2.d/ but also /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 07:08.06 | unstable | yea, but we don't tell people about that directory if they ask questions like this. |
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| 07:09.36 | liable | hrm, i dont understand why my tun doesnt work. |
| 07:10.06 | Gumby | does anyone here know of an alternate bandwidth monitoring program to use other than bandwidthd? I am looking for something that will either create graphs like bandwidthd or possibly log to an sql database so I can create my own web pages with sql queries. A quick sample of bandwidthd can be seen at http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/demo/ |
| 07:10.10 | GeorgeS069 | can I use quotas with ext3 filesystem? |
| 07:10.23 | maikol | how do i get iwconfig? |
| 07:10.36 | liable | maikol: wireless-tools |
| 07:10.38 | Gumby | maikol: wireless-tools |
| 07:10.39 | peterS | GeorgeS069: it can be done. I haven't done it. |
| 07:10.46 | liable | GeorgeS069: think so, man mkfs.ext3 |
| 07:10.47 | maikol | k |
| 07:10.58 | ma3x_ | if I delete a file from my ext3 partition, can I recover it? |
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| 07:11.16 | peterS | GeorgeS069: you just tune2fs your filesystem to enable the quota feature, and use the 'quota' or 'quotatool' packages |
| 07:11.32 | GeorgeS069 | thanks peterS |
| 07:12.12 | ma3x_ | hello |
| 07:12.20 | ma3x_ | can anybody answer? |
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| 07:12.36 | unstable | ma3x_: not really, very difficult |
| 07:12.41 | peterS | GeorgeS069: hmmm, looking at it, I'm not sure you even need to 'enable the quota feature' with tune2fs |
| 07:12.42 | streuner | ma3x_: backup |
| 07:12.51 | GeorgeS069 | ma3x_ : only if the system has not written over where the file was stored |
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| 07:12.57 | debian_newbe | how can i change resolution larger then 800X600 ? |
| 07:13.00 | unstable | ma3x_: Why don't you get the file from your backup source? |
| 07:13.04 | streuner | ma3x_: there is a tool for ext2(3), but not in debian |
| 07:13.09 | unstable | GeorgeS069: That's not true. |
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| 07:13.18 | unstable | GeorgeS069: That would be true if he was using windows/NTFS |
| 07:13.19 | ma3x_ | streuner, what's the tool? |
| 07:13.29 | streuner | ma3x_: recover? |
| 07:13.31 | ma3x_ | GeorgeS069, it has not written |
| 07:13.41 | ma3x_ | streuner, 'recover' from debian? |
| 07:13.51 | unstable | ma3x_: You're on irc right now, do you have irc logs enabled? |
| 07:13.56 | unstable | I could be writing over the data right now. |
| 07:14.13 | streuner | ma3x_: well, *nix is tradionatially not very well for recover things (backup - restore) |
| 07:14.45 | unstable | Which is a good thing |
| 07:14.45 | ma3x_ | streuner, but there are some tools in windows to do that stuff. is there no decent tool for linux? |
| 07:14.51 | cahoot | ma3x_: unmount or remount it ro the partition while you think? |
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| 07:14.57 | blondie | ma3x_: not on ext3 |
| 07:15.00 | streuner | ma3x_: no, not really |
| 07:15.01 | unstable | I don't want an OS that tells me it deleted something when it did not. *cough* NT / NTFS *cough* |
| 07:15.13 | ma3x_ | cahoot, I already umounted it |
| 07:15.33 | unstable | ma3x_: That's because windows sucks, and it doesn't actually delete data when it says it does. |
| 07:15.38 | blondie | ext3 does more than other (e.g. FAT/NTFS?) filesystems when you delete files |
| 07:15.42 | ma3x_ | unstable, and linux does? |
| 07:15.50 | peterS | no, linux doesn't |
| 07:15.54 | unstable | ma3x_: yes |
| 07:15.58 | ma3x_ | no way! |
| 07:16.02 | blondie | well not exactly |
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| 07:16.17 | blondie | it deletes the file headers, so you can't tell there were files there |
| 07:16.17 | ma3x_ | heh, if you wipe it, it's gonna take a lot more time! |
| 07:16.23 | blondie | it doesn't 0 the file contents |
| 07:16.28 | peterS | as far as actually wasting your disk bandwidth zeroing out all your unused blocks, no, neither Windows nor Linux bothers to do that unless you ask |
| 07:16.35 | peterS | why would they? it's a dumb idea |
| 07:16.37 | dondelelcaro | most linux filesystems just mark the blocks as unallocated |
| 07:16.48 | kevinv | peterS: I've sent out an Email to the mailinglist. I even suggested to not add it to the debian pool(if that's too much work for them) but instead host the binary form packages on my server. At least the binaries are available to those who can use them, right? |
| 07:16.49 | dondelelcaro | since doing anything more is just a waste of time |
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| 07:17.26 | ma3x_ | dondelelcaro, correctly. now is there really no decent tool for backup on linux? |
| 07:17.27 | peterS | kevinv: did you read the whole bug log? he's got packages at http://www.mediasitomo.com/debian-swftools/ (though you do have to hunt down a bit to find them) |
| 07:17.44 | ma3x_ | i know one for windows, but too lazy to boot up in win |
| 07:17.53 | dondelelcaro | ma3x_: backup or recovery? |
| 07:18.08 | ma3x_ | recovery |
| 07:18.13 | dondelelcaro | ma3x_: if you want backup, there are hundreds; from shell scripts that call tar, to things like amanda and ninja |
| 07:18.17 | peterS | ma3x_: there are a zillion tools for backup. there are so many because people have so many ideas on exactly how to go about backing things up. |
| 07:18.17 | dondelelcaro | ma3x_: on what filesystem? |
| 07:18.21 | kevinv | peterS: My idea should make things easier then. I asked the developer himself to hopefully add a direct link to the download page to the binary packages. |
| 07:18.31 | blondie | ma3x_: a windows one wouldn't work on ext3 |
| 07:18.37 | ma3x_ | dondelelcaro, well mine is ext3 |
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| 07:18.46 | ma3x_ | blondie, what if Itake away the journal?? |
| 07:18.51 | ram_einstein | Vasistha: guess what. Fixed. |
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| 07:19.03 | dondelelcaro | ma3x_: you may be able to get e2undel to undelete the files. Unlikely though. |
| 07:19.10 | blondie | "Unlike ext2, ext3 zeroes out the block pointers in the inodes of deleted files. Because this removes all metadata for the affected files, the files cannot be recovered directly. The user's only recourse is to grep the hard drive for data known to signal the start and end of the file." |
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| 07:19.57 | peterS | blondie: so ext3 is more like FAT than ext2 is, rather contrary to ma3x_'s belief |
| 07:20.20 | ma3x_ | dondelelcaro, unlikely |
| 07:20.24 | blondie | is it, i don't know :) |
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| 07:20.51 | dondelelcaro | ma3x_: well, have you mounted this hypothetical partition read only yet? |
| 07:20.54 | peterS | blondie: well, they both resemble FAT in different ways, I guess. FAT keeps _some_ of the metadata around, enough to undelete in simple cases, not enough in complicated cases |
| 07:20.57 | ma3x_ | peterS, on FAT is easy to recover files |
| 07:21.08 | Mitja | streuner, if iptables are empty should the internet connection work? |
| 07:21.11 | peterS | ma3x_: only if you have no fragmentation |
| 07:21.20 | ma3x_ | dondelelcaro, I umounted it since I deleted my file |
| 07:21.25 | peterS | FAT chains aren't kept |
| 07:21.29 | blondie | Mitja: maybe |
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| 07:21.55 | ma3x_ | peterS, I have no fragmentation |
| 07:22.10 | yang | Is there any other way to build a nvidia module for etch, since it doesn't have nvidia-glx package |
| 07:22.34 | yxa | networking experts, i have a question. if my box has 2 nic, one is private ip and the other is public ip, when i try to ping the nic public ip from outside, the traffic will go out thru the private net default gw. how do i prevent this? |
| 07:22.52 | peterS | sounds like someone whose primary use of his computer is to run scandisk and defrag, as opposed to, I dunno, getting actual _work_ done with it |
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| 07:23.23 | ma3x_ | peterS, I mean I haven't run defragmentation |
| 07:23.29 | ma3x_ | it's fragmented %23 or something |
| 07:23.35 | ma3x_ | :p |
| 07:23.39 | yang | fragmentation for linux? |
| 07:23.56 | yang | I thought that is only for Windows |
| 07:24.00 | ma3x_ | well that contigious or non-contigious what does it mean |
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| 07:24.54 | jelly-home | non-contiguous == fragmented |
| 07:25.05 | k31th | ok i dd'd a 80 gig disk to a 82 gig disk... works fine of course now i need to get all the data back onto a 80 gig disk is this possible with dd? my understanding is that the disk you are dd'ing to needs to be the same size or larger ? |
| 07:25.30 | peterS | yang: fragmentation is something that can happen to any filesystem implementation on any OS. some filesystems are more resistant to it than others. |
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| 07:25.40 | ma3x_ | jelly-home, that's what I got after the e2fsck (non-contigious %23) |
| 07:25.48 | ma3x_ | okay now I'm really disappointed at this stuff |
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| 07:25.56 | ma3x_ | no recovery tool for my partition? |
| 07:25.58 | servus_ | k31th: I'd think it'd still work, since the 80GB partition would be at the front of the disk. |
| 07:26.00 | ma3x_ | come on , that's sad |
| 07:26.02 | peterS | k31th: if you copied the filesystem image directly, you can just copy it back the same way |
| 07:26.25 | yang | peterS: but isn't this usually done in linux at the boot time, I saw some messages there ...checking filesystem x % non-contigous |
| 07:26.39 | jelly-home | k31th: you'll be fine as long as the second 80GB disk is equal to or larger in size than the first 80GB disk (and if what peterS said is true). |
| 07:26.44 | k31th | peterS: i did dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 07:26.48 | ma3x_ | alright I'll boot in windows and get back my data |
| 07:26.59 | peterS | k31th: so copy it back, but don't bother with dd, 'cp /dev/hdb /dev/hda' is so much easier to type |
| 07:27.46 | unix_infidel | what is all this .serverauth stuff? |
| 07:27.53 | SerajewelKS | is there a shell construct usable with for that will take output from a command (like $() or ``) but will iterate over *lines*, not anything separated by whitespace? |
| 07:28.01 | k31th | peterS: i need to copy all the data from different partitions tho |
| 07:28.26 | peterS | k31th: then I suggest mounting them and using 'cp -a' |
| 07:28.43 | peterS | k31th: raw copy is only useful to make an exact duplicate of _one_ partition to _one_ partition |
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| 07:29.15 | SerajewelKS | similar to using split(/\n/) in perl i guess |
| 07:29.36 | peterS | SerajewelKS: | while read line; do ..... $line ..... ; done |
| 07:29.59 | peterS | SerajewelKS: it's what the read builtin is for |
| 07:30.11 | SerajewelKS | peterS: except it would be getting this from a command it's running, not stdin |
| 07:30.15 | yxa | are dual default routes on a box not technically possible? |
| 07:30.25 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yes, exactly. run_this_command | while read line; do ..... $line .....; done |
| 07:30.37 | SerajewelKS | peterS: oh, right |
| 07:31.07 | liable | why wouldnt i get a tun0 with tun module loaded? |
| 07:31.23 | peterS | SerajewelKS: one thing to watch out for: in most shells, this construct will cause the whole 'while' loop to be a subshell, so you can't set variables or run chdir or things like that that you want to affect the rest of the script |
| 07:31.24 | k31th | peterS: dd'ing can copy whole disks like for like tho |
| 07:31.31 | k31th | i might as well do that |
| 07:31.34 | peterS | k31th: so can cp |
| 07:31.41 | peterS | k31th: dd has no advantages for what you are using it for |
| 07:31.47 | yxa | is there anyway i can specify separate default route for each NIC in the same box? |
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| 07:32.13 | peterS | yxa: I don't think you understand what the word "default" means. if you have more than one default, which one is supposed to be the default? |
| 07:32.49 | liable | yxa: man route has some examples, if you want one nic for local, one for net |
| 07:33.02 | yxa | peterS i understand. it's just alittle tricky with 2 nics in a box |
| 07:33.04 | SerajewelKS | peterS: nah just iterating over a bunch of files and want to echo if certain things match |
| 07:33.29 | peterS | yxa: the point of a default route is, "this is where packets go if we don't know where else they should go". if you have two such destinations, which one should the OS use by default? |
| 07:33.38 | GeorgeS069 | while in X how do add re resolution settings to the X server? |
| 07:34.28 | yxa | peterS the OS can see where the packet is destined for? if its for eth0, go gw1, for eth1, go gw2 ? |
| 07:34.28 | SerajewelKS | GeorgeS069: edit your X config and restart X |
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| 07:34.40 | peterS | yxa: how does the OS know that the packet is "for eth0"? |
| 07:34.45 | SerajewelKS | yxa: but how does it know that it's destined for one interface? |
| 07:34.46 | peterS | yxa: answer: it doesn't |
| 07:34.50 | SerajewelKS | bat, peterS too fast |
| 07:34.53 | SerajewelKS | bah* |
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| 07:35.24 | yxa | how about destined for this and that ip? :) 2nics with 2 different ips |
| 07:35.29 | jelly-home | yxa: route table. |
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| 07:35.41 | peterS | yxa: if you want to direct packets through a particular interface when they're going to a particular IP range, those are _non-default_ routes. |
| 07:35.56 | peterS | yxa: the point of the default route is that it's used for packets whose destination you know nothing specific about. |
| 07:37.10 | yxa | peterS nod. in that case, i do not want a DEFAULT route. i want traffic destined for each interface to go back to where they came from. |
| 07:37.15 | SerajewelKS | peterS: in the shell, "[ ... ]" is a shortcut for "test ..." right? |
| 07:37.51 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yes. both [ and test are normally shell builtins but they don't have to be (they both live in /usr/bin as well) |
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| 07:38.21 | SerajewelKS | peterS: oh interesting, i didn't know [ was a binary |
| 07:38.37 | peterS | SerajewelKS: as I said, it's a builtin for pretty much every shell, so you don't have to know (: |
| 07:38.59 | peterS | yxa: then learn about routing table entries and how to specify them. basically a routing table entry says "for this IP range, do _this_..." |
| 07:39.08 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah i knew it was builtin, or was at least mapped to a test call. never knew it was there on the fs |
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| 07:39.48 | peterS | SerajewelKS: [[ ]], btw, is a more sophisticated builtin which doesn't have a /usr/bin equivalent. it's probably worth learning about, though I find I never actually use it because I'm not as comfortable with it as I should be |
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| 07:40.07 | peterS | SerajewelKS: [[ ]] is new to ksh, the original bourne shell didn't have it. I think most modern shells do, but probably not all |
| 07:40.29 | kevinv | What the OpenMusic created using OpenSource Software? |
| 07:40.40 | peterS | ok, I take that back, only the ksh-like ones (ksh, pdksh, bash, zsh) have [[ ]], it's not a POSIX-mandated thing |
| 07:40.43 | kevinv | And I don't just mean the file format :P |
| 07:41.12 | peterS | kevinv: can you fix the grammar of your question, I can't parse it |
| 07:41.38 | SerajewelKS | peterS: 'nother shell question. if i use a pipeline in an if, which process' return value is used? the last? the first? the phase of the moon mod the number of commands? |
| 07:41.40 | kristalino | hi. when i start quake3-tremulous i get : "Sys_Error: Couldn't load default.cfg" then it ends there. Any ideas ? |
| 07:41.52 | peterS | SerajewelKS: the last, I'm pretty sure |
| 07:42.03 | SerajewelKS | peterS: okay that's what i thought |
| 07:42.04 | peterS | SerajewelKS: try it: true | false; echo $?; false | true; echo $? |
| 07:42.26 | kevinv | peterS: Upgrade to the next version of the peterS parser. :) |
| 07:42.40 | peterS | kevinv: no, I need a kevinv parser plugin, which is non-free |
| 07:43.03 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: the corolary is you can't easily find out if a mid-pipe process barfed out. |
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| 07:43.19 | peterS | kevinv: the only plugins I have installed are english, french, italian, l33t. but some of those are old versions and don't work very well |
| 07:43.21 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah see i'm relatively newbish to shell programming, so i forget about true and false |
| 07:43.34 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: in this case it doesn't matter, but yeah i took that into account |
| 07:43.59 | peterS | SerajewelKS: want another fun alias, : is a synonym for true. but /bin/: does not exist, unlike /usr/bin/[ |
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| 07:44.54 | yxa | peterS i dont think its technically possible. there's no way i can specify two sets of 0.0.0.0 |
| 07:45.29 | peterS | yxa: doesn't make sense anyway. 0.0.0.0 means "no specific IP range", so how would you choose between different interfaces anyway? |
| 07:46.14 | peterS | yxa: anyway, all things are technically possible. if you are multi-homed and want multiple routes leading to "the whole Internet", there are ways to do this. it's just a rather unusual situation. |
| 07:46.47 | formorer | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html - I haven't read the backlog, but are you searching this? |
| 07:46.48 | kevinv | peterS: apt-get remove --purge peterS |
| 07:47.20 | yxa | peterS yes, multi-home and multiple routes |
| 07:47.31 | SerajewelKS | peterS: can i even use a pipeline in an if? i do "if a | b | c; then" and i see a's output on the screen and b never gets it |
| 07:47.34 | kevinv | Was the OpenMusic created using OpenSource Software? |
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| 07:47.44 | peterS | yxa: if you can afford multiple independent Internet connections, you can afford to hire someone who knows how to configure a real router |
| 07:48.15 | peterS | SerajewelKS: are you sure you aren't just seeing a's _error_ output? |
| 07:48.26 | SerajewelKS | peterS: no, this program does not use stderr |
| 07:48.47 | peterS | SerajewelKS: so a|b|c does what you expect but if a|b|c; then ... ; fi does not? |
| 07:48.57 | peterS | SerajewelKS: they should behave the same |
| 07:49.10 | SerajewelKS | peterS: right, but they don't |
| 07:49.12 | yxa | peterS dude i just happen to have a box with 2 nics and cant avoid this situation |
| 07:49.43 | peterS | yxa: if you can afford multiple independent Internet connections, you can afford to hire someone who knows how to configure a real router. as I said. however, I didn't mean to imply that Linux can't be used as a real router. it can. |
| 07:50.00 | formorer | of course it can ;) |
| 07:50.08 | SerajewelKS | peterS: no i take that back |
| 07:51.17 | peterS | yxa: most users in the world who have multiple NICs have them on different networks, and only one of them reaches the actual Internet. the situation where both NICs are connected to the Internet is relatively rare. |
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| 07:51.43 | formorer | but its no problem |
| 07:51.50 | yxa | yxa and it happened to me :) |
| 07:52.04 | kevinv | My router is also a file server, DNS server, and firewall for my internal LAN. What brand is my router? |
| 07:52.22 | GeorgeS069 | linksys wrt54g? |
| 07:52.22 | peterS | kevinv: probably a linksys nslu2? |
| 07:52.44 | peterS | yxa: you may wish to run real routing software on your machine. that requires learning about routing protocols, particularly OSPF and/or BGP4 |
| 07:53.11 | kevinv | peterS: I wish I had that hardware... It's a Linux router, full with dual processor and a samba and NFS server. |
| 07:53.11 | peterS | yxa: 'quagga' is probably the most sophisticated routing software in Debian |
| 07:53.54 | sep | !tell yxa about split access |
| 07:54.19 | kevinv | It's an actuall HP NetServer LH II acting as a basic router. |
| 07:54.21 | SerajewelKS | peterS: hrm. inside of this while-loop subshell, i want to read a line from stdin, that is from the keyboard. but since stdin is now the pipeline, how do i read from the original stdin? |
| 07:54.22 | peterS | though I don't actually know the advantages of bird vs. quagga |
| 07:54.39 | sep | yxa, that config dpkg told you give you multiple 0.0.0.0 routes and trafic going out the net it came in. |
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| 07:55.06 | peterS | SerajewelKS: redirect your file handles ahead of time. 'exec 6<&1' for example. then you have file handle 6 to play with, so you can 'read foo <&6' |
| 07:55.39 | peterS | SerajewelKS: oh sorry, I messed up, stdin is of course 0 not 1 |
| 07:55.55 | SerajewelKS | peterS: where does this exec line go |
| 07:56.07 | yxa | sep thanks. will check it out now |
| 07:56.08 | dooglus | is there a channel for discussing debian sid? |
| 07:56.15 | peterS | SerajewelKS: figure it out. read up on exec if you have to |
| 07:56.24 | SerajewelKS | peterS: doing that already |
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| 07:56.33 | peterS | SerajewelKS: and the >& <& >>& <<& operators |
| 07:56.48 | streuner | dooglus: uhm, /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:56.53 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah i'm familiar with those |
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| 07:57.33 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I'm not going to try and teach you file descriptor management. that's part of learning bourne shell. (A part that most amateur admins never get to, judging from scripts you see.) |
| 07:58.20 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yeah i'm familiar with the low-level stuff just not how to use it to accomplish high-level stuff. that is, when i get to a problem like this, manipulating FDs doesn't immediately spring to mind. |
| 07:58.29 | dooglus | streuner: that tells me that #debian isn't such a channel, but is there one? |
| 07:58.48 | row | Does anyone use a BeWan ADSL PCI ST card on debian here? Intrested to see what kernel versions people got it working with while back I tried with 2.6.14 and could not get it to compile anyone running on that kernel or later one? |
| 07:59.01 | peterS | dooglus: we discuss sid in here all the time, actually, or over at irc.debian.org |
| 07:59.30 | streuner | peterS: are you an echo? |
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| 07:59.53 | peterS | streuner: I don't understand your question |
| 07:59.54 | streuner | peterS: we don't like unstable questions, but peterS is right. |
| 08:00.05 | streuner | peterS: he asked me. |
| 08:00.21 | dooglus | peterS: thanks |
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| 08:00.36 | streuner | so just ask. |
| 08:00.39 | dooglus | streuner: do you know of a channel that does like unstable questions? |
| 08:01.05 | peterS | streuner: when I see questions asked on channel, I don't worry too much about who was addressed. if that bothers you, you should tell people to take it to /msg when you are answering their questions |
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| 08:01.26 | streuner | dooglus: an developer channel is good guess, if you are one of them. |
| 08:01.58 | peterS | I don't know of a developer channel where random user questions about sid are welcome |
| 08:02.05 | debian_newbe | im unable to choose reolutions that are in xorg.conf |
| 08:02.35 | streuner | peterS: that why the answer was in a condition sentence ... ;-) |
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| 08:06.59 | streuner | dooglus: if you did your homework (BTS, read man-pages and docs) and have still no solution just ask there then. |
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| 08:07.04 | liable | debian_newbe: check the log and see what it says about those resolutions |
| 08:07.19 | liable | debian_newbe: or paste it and someone might take a look |
| 08:07.37 | streuner | dooglus: s/there/here/ |
| 08:08.18 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 08:08.26 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:08.41 | tarzeau | has someone got a multi cpu machine where acpi -Bt reports several lines of output? can i have example output please? |
| 08:08.57 | debian_newbe | liable: NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (width too large for virtual size) |
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| 08:10.09 | debian_newbe | liable:also if i try using xrandr it wont show me larger then 800X600 |
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| 08:10.37 | zamaliphe | can any one help me with thi makefile http://zamaliphe.pastebin.com/712454 ? |
| 08:10.45 | zamaliphe | can any one help me with this makefile http://zamaliphe.pastebin.com/712454 ? |
| 08:10.59 | GeorgeS069 | bed time...goodnight and thanks for all the help |
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| 08:13.36 | peterS | zamaliphe: you have to prefix commands with a tab character |
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| 08:14.20 | kevinv | I love the ctrl-alt-+ and ctrl-alt-- X Window System combos. |
| 08:14.30 | kevinv | It's so damn innovative. |
| 08:14.54 | Ashtonian | you should kevinv |
| 08:15.22 | kevinv | should what? |
| 08:16.01 | zamaliphe | peterS: i have never think about that and the book I'm reading didnot say any thing about it thanks alot :) it works |
| 08:16.19 | peterS | zamaliphe: the book sucks. this is a very elementary and necessary thing to know |
| 08:16.49 | peterS | zamaliphe: I think perhaps nmake.exe for MS-DOS doesn't require the tab, you can use spaces instead. but who would use that? |
| 08:17.08 | zamaliphe | peterS: do you have any web site or some thing ? |
| 08:17.10 | liable | debian_newbe: hrm, i cant say that i have come across that one before. |
| 08:17.14 | peterS | zamaliphe: not worth seeing |
| 08:18.08 | debian_newbe | im using testing with nv card |
| 08:18.44 | plutonas | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.44 | plutonas | <plutonas> but (I want to keep them |
| 08:18.58 | liable | debian_newbe: i guess googling that error would be a good start |
| 08:19.32 | debian_newbe | is there other Xorg config otions exepct dkpg -reconfigure and editing xorg.conf? |
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| 08:20.20 | debian_newbe | liable: all ready did it |
| 08:20.37 | debian_newbe | liable:but didn't gut an answer |
| 08:20.42 | debian_newbe | *get |
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| 08:25.05 | liable | debian_newbe: :( |
| 08:25.15 | debian_newbe | is there main configuration pacage for debian like mcc in mandriva ? |
| 08:25.25 | liable | debian_newbe: ask a bit later, someone smarter than me might be able to help :) |
| 08:25.43 | liable | debian_newbe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:26.17 | debian_newbe | <liable> it won't help (don't allow to chooce video modes) |
| 08:26.31 | liable | debian_newbe: video modes? |
| 08:27.05 | debian_newbe | <liable> 1024 X 764 800 X 600 etc ... |
| 08:27.17 | debian_newbe | *768 |
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| 08:28.53 | liable | debian_newbe: it does let you choose resolutions. |
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| 08:30.50 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 08:30.54 | MarkH_UK | lI need some help with apache |
| 08:31.07 | SerajewelKS | !tell MarkH_UK about ask |
| 08:31.11 | MarkH_UK | I've installed the deb packages but when I try and access a php page its trying to download it |
| 08:31.25 | MarkH_UK | I've done AddType etc. |
| 08:31.32 | MarkH_UK | and its still not letting the page display |
| 08:31.32 | MarkH_UK | :\ |
| 08:31.40 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: you've installed libapache2-mod-php4? |
| 08:31.56 | MarkH_UK | I've not using apache2 |
| 08:32.00 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: you've installed libapache-mod-php4? |
| 08:32.25 | debian_newbe | <liable>it gives me the option what video card driver ,keyboard,mice |
| 08:32.26 | MarkH_UK | it's already installed |
| 08:32.37 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: and you've enabled it? |
| 08:32.41 | MarkH_UK | ummm.. |
| 08:32.43 | MarkH_UK | by doing? |
| 08:32.55 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: not sure, with apache2 it's a2enmod |
| 08:33.05 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: any specific reason you can't use apache 2? |
| 08:33.11 | MarkH_UK | I dont like it :D |
| 08:33.12 | MarkH_UK | hehe |
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| 08:33.15 | debian_newbe | <liable> i tried again now but in the end it wrote xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 08:33.15 | debian_newbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.39 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: is there some directory /etc/apache/mods-enabled? |
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| 08:34.32 | formorer | SerajewelKS: enabled in php.ini? |
| 08:34.39 | formorer | eh forget it |
| 08:34.44 | formorer | I was at the wrong module :) |
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| 08:34.53 | MarkH_UK | I've got: modules.conf |
| 08:34.58 | MarkH_UK | and apache-modconf as a binary |
| 08:35.03 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: and does 'apachectl status' list mod_php in the output? |
| 08:35.12 | MarkH_UK | a sec I will check this. |
| 08:35.14 | liable | debian_newbe: check the wiki in /topic for that problem |
| 08:35.19 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: or 'PHP/version' rather |
| 08:35.41 | liable | debian_newbe: btw, no need for <> around my nick |
| 08:36.12 | MarkH_UK | Its saying server-status directory not found |
| 08:36.13 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 08:36.25 | debian_newbe | liable: its auto add if u use chat |
| 08:36.31 | debian_newbe | liable: its auto add if u use xchat |
| 08:36.32 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: oh... well, do this: 'telnet localhost 80' |
| 08:36.33 | liable | qemu is quite usable with the nasty proprietry module :) |
| 08:36.40 | MarkH_UK | then.... |
| 08:36.40 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 08:36.44 | liable | debian_newbe: cant turn it off? |
| 08:36.45 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: then type this: 'HEAD / HTTP/1.1' |
| 08:36.49 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: and hit enter twice |
| 08:37.08 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: on the 'Server:' line do you see PHP mentioned at all? |
| 08:37.12 | kevinv | hey hey, people were discussing qemu in the ##linux channel a few secs ago. |
| 08:37.19 | peterS | SerajewelKS: in HTTP 1.1, I believe at least one or two headers are required. use HTTP/1.0 if you want to be lazy. |
| 08:37.19 | debian_newbe | liable: can try .. |
| 08:37.37 | liable | kevinv: anything worth joining for? |
| 08:37.41 | peterS | SerajewelKS: or just use the HEAD command from the libwww-perl package |
| 08:37.44 | SerajewelKS | peterS: it doesn't matter. with 1.1 the server will spit back a 400. but the Server header will still be there |
| 08:38.03 | MarkH_UK | it doesnt bring anything like that back |
| 08:38.03 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 08:38.12 | SerajewelKS | !tell MarkH_UK about enter |
| 08:38.22 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: what does it do then? |
| 08:38.35 | MarkH_UK | it brings back the char type and that's it |
| 08:38.44 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: "char type"? |
| 08:38.54 | kevinv | liable: sorta, WildPikachu claims qemu is faster without kqemu... he's wanting to benchmark vmware and qemu. |
| 08:39.27 | liable | kevinv: hrm, its faster here with it. |
| 08:39.34 | SerajewelKS | kevinv: i see practically no speed difference between kqemu and no kqemu |
| 08:39.36 | MarkH_UK | it mentions nothing about System? |
| 08:39.50 | liable | SerajewelKS: i do. |
| 08:39.51 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: i didn't say System |
| 08:40.03 | MarkH_UK | well... what ever you did say... i dont get that on my screen. |
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| 08:40.13 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: *sigh* so what DO you get |
| 08:40.57 | MarkH_UK | Server, Etags, etc |
| 08:41.11 | MarkH_UK | x-httpd-php as Content Typre |
| 08:41.13 | MarkH_UK | Type* |
| 08:41.14 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: god, will you pay attention. |
| 08:41.21 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: i asked for the Server part |
| 08:41.39 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: specifically. if you can't follow instructions then don't ask for help. |
| 08:42.03 | MarkH_UK | Apache/1.3.33 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 08:42.10 | MarkH_UK | that's all its saying. |
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| 08:42.27 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: hrm, then php isn't loaded. have you restarted apache since installing php? |
| 08:42.32 | MarkH_UK | yea |
| 08:42.44 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: did you add a LoadModule directive for it? |
| 08:43.10 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: FWIW, apache2 makes this a lot easier. so i think you'd like it more than apache 1. |
| 08:43.23 | MarkH_UK | Ok I got php at the end of this now |
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| 08:44.14 | MarkH_UK | perhaps ;) |
| 08:44.18 | MarkH_UK | thanks for the help ; ) |
| 08:44.24 | SerajewelKS | MarkH_UK: sure |
| 08:45.27 | MarkH_UK | :-) |
| 08:45.58 | SerajewelKS | !:-) |
| 08:45.58 | dpkg | :-D |
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| 08:55.20 | SerajewelKS | !nickometer ^lx^ |
| 08:55.22 | dpkg | '^lx^' is 26.000% lame, serajewelks |
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| 08:56.44 | maxb | I'm confused... why does "apt-get dist-upgrade" want to *remove* several packages, despite the fact that it doesn't want to install or upgrade anything else? |
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| 08:57.19 | vaib | Is it secure that i open a local xserver in win and using ssh i export DISPLAY variable to be my ip ?? |
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| 08:59.26 | linuxfreck | vaib: no |
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| 08:59.48 | linuxfreck | vaib: use ssh X forwarding which is built-in in ssh |
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| 09:01.12 | vaib | what u mean by built in ssh ?? |
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| 09:01.55 | linuxfreck | vaib: ssh has a X forwarding feature |
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| 09:02.25 | vaib | in ssh case all data transfer in on ssh protocol ? |
| 09:02.28 | linuxfreck | vaib: depends on your ssh client how to enable it, but then it'll set the DISPLAY variable itself and forward the x traffic through ssh |
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| 09:03.08 | vaib | okkk |
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| 09:09.47 | Il_turisto | Hi all |
| 09:09.55 | yoanis_gil | Hi |
| 09:10.01 | Il_turisto | How are you? |
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| 09:11.33 | liable | great, how are you? |
| 09:11.49 | Il_turisto | I'm fine thanks |
| 09:12.13 | Il_turisto | I'm sorry for my poor english but can I ask you a question about debian simple cdd? |
| 09:12.23 | liable | sure, ask away |
| 09:12.27 | dondelelcaro | Il_turisto: I'm not familiar with that cdd, but ask away. |
| 09:13.45 | yoanis_gil | sure you can ask |
| 09:13.49 | yoanis_gil | cdd? |
| 09:13.57 | Il_turisto | in fact I try to make my own cd |
| 09:14.04 | Il_turisto | http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
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| 09:14.24 | Il_turisto | The program make me an image (.raw) but this image is not bootable |
| 09:14.37 | Il_turisto | I'm really lost with these |
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| 09:14.56 | yoanis_gil | Lost? |
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| 09:15.41 | Il_turisto | I mean that I'm in trouble |
| 09:16.03 | yoanis_gil | what kind of trouble |
| 09:16.04 | yoanis_gil | ? |
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| 09:16.58 | dondelelcaro | Il_turisto: actually, you'll probably have better luck asking on #debian-custom on irc.debian.org (OFTC) |
| 09:17.16 | Il_turisto | my problem is the next one. |
| 09:17.17 | Il_turisto | i really need a custom install cd for non linux user. |
| 09:17.17 | Il_turisto | the goal is simple : the user put the cd in is drive and all is automatic for installation |
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| 09:17.25 | deadcat_ | Base class package "HTTP::Server::Simple::CGI" is empty. <--- what packages do i need? i have libcgi-simple-perl already |
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| 09:17.53 | Il_turisto | I wana join debian-custon but I have this : ##unavailable est : You've tried to join an unavailable channel |
| 09:17.59 | deadcat_ | i am trying to setup HoTTProxy |
| 09:19.07 | deadcat_ | Il_turisto: channel's unavailable |
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| 09:19.43 | Il_turisto | yeah it's for this reason that I'm here :-) |
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| 09:20.38 | Il_turisto | so nooen can help? |
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| 09:21.20 | HelmutG | Il_turisto: Have you read about preseed files? |
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| 09:22.08 | HelmutG | Can someone tell me about the state of OOo on amd64? Does it build? Does it crash before using it? |
| 09:22.12 | liable | Il_turisto: you need to connect to oftc server? |
| 09:22.23 | formorer | HelmutG: its broken |
| 09:22.36 | formorer | HelmutG: it builds, but you can't load anything |
| 09:23.01 | HelmutG | formorer: some told me M$ documents where at least readable |
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| 09:23.16 | formorer | who cares about MS? |
| 09:23.27 | formorer | if its can't open its default files its considered broken |
| 09:23.55 | HelmutG | formorer: uhm, let's say I receive stuff like that from people I am unable to convince M$ is broken. |
| 09:24.29 | liable | as many people do.. :) |
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| 09:24.50 | cahoot | HelmutG: you speak 'real world' ? |
| 09:25.07 | liable | HelmutG: cant run oo in a chroot? |
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| 09:25.19 | HelmutG | cahoot: yeah, I personaly know these kind of people and they're not stupid, they simply don't know. |
| 09:25.20 | _robert | hi |
| 09:25.36 | _robert | is there a command to format a swap partition? |
| 09:25.39 | HelmutG | liable: uhm. I dislike chroots. :-/ |
| 09:25.40 | Vasistha_ | HelmutG: I think what he was saying is, OOo on amd64 can't even open it's own files |
| 09:25.46 | Vasistha_ | _robert: mkswap |
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| 09:25.53 | liable | HelmutG: but, if it works.. |
| 09:25.53 | _robert | thx |
| 09:25.53 | smyl | what is the script to install debian on another linux distribution called? |
| 09:25.58 | _robert | ... |
| 09:25.58 | Vasistha_ | HelmutG: err, "its own files" |
| 09:26.03 | unstable | What is the ssh command to remove an ip's rsa key from known_hosts, ssh -R ip? |
| 09:26.05 | HelmutG | Vasistha_: I know. That doesn't prevent OOo from being able to open foreign files. ;-) |
| 09:26.08 | unstable | anyone know off the top of their head |
| 09:26.25 | Vasistha_ | HelmutG: hmm. but would you really want to use it if that's the case? |
| 09:26.27 | HelmutG | liable: probably true. |
| 09:26.35 | Maulkin | unstable: I use vi :) |
| 09:26.37 | smyl | unstable: i just use a text editor |
| 09:26.39 | smyl | heh |
| 09:26.45 | liable | unstable: i normally edit it by hand. i guess theres a better way :P |
| 09:26.46 | unstable | But my known_hosts is encrypted in some way |
| 09:26.46 | tralala | me too |
| 09:26.47 | Maulkin | smyl: Not sure what you mean |
| 09:26.49 | HelmutG | Vasistha_: Yes, because wv, catdoc and antiword do not always produce reasonable results. |
| 09:26.51 | deadcat_ | unstable: didnt know thats even possible. but if it works. nice |
| 09:26.55 | unstable | I tried that liable / Maulkin / smoser / deadcat_ |
| 09:26.57 | Maulkin | unstable: No, it's hashed :) |
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| 09:27.14 | Vasistha_ | HelmutG: oh god no. OOo is the only way to go. Too bad it's so... n/m. |
| 09:27.15 | unstable | Maulkin: A hash of the ip? |
| 09:27.15 | Maulkin | unstable: It shoud tell you what line the conflictuing entry is in. |
| 09:27.17 | unstable | md5? |
| 09:27.24 | unstable | Maulkin: it doesn't |
| 09:27.31 | deadcat_ | unstable: it SHOULD |
| 09:27.33 | unstable | It just says what the RSA key from the new host is |
| 09:27.39 | deadcat_ | Base class package "HTTP::Server::Simple::CGI" is empty. <--- what packages do i need? i have libcgi-simple-perl already |
| 09:27.44 | Maulkin | unstable: Ahh. That could be an issue then. |
| 09:27.50 | smyl | Maulkin: someone was telling me that there was a way to install debian over a running linux instalation |
| 09:27.53 | smyl | w/ out using cds... |
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| 09:27.55 | liable | turn off strict checking? |
| 09:27.57 | Maulkin | !remote install |
| 09:27.58 | dpkg | remote install is probably Yes, Virginia, you can install Debian remotely via chroot, and some luck. See http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 09:28.07 | deadcat_ | liable: ok |
| 09:28.10 | Maulkin | smyl: ^^ |
| 09:28.14 | smyl | k |
| 09:28.16 | smyl | heh |
| 09:28.16 | Vasistha_ | deadcat_: have you searched for cgi on p.d.o ? perhaps it's a configuration issue? |
| 09:28.27 | smyl | i wonder how a local remote install would work =) |
| 09:28.30 | liable | deadcat_: wasnt talking to you :P |
| 09:28.36 | unstable | Maulkin: There is some ssh options, but I can't find it in the man page |
| 09:28.41 | unstable | Like ssh -R ip(this doesn't work) |
| 09:28.45 | Vasistha_ | smyl: and what exactly is "local remote" supposed to mean anyway? |
| 09:28.46 | HelmutG | It's like I need to /read/ not modify these kind of stuff. People tell me "Why should I use pdf? You can open these files using OOo!" and they seem to not understand what an architecture is and why OOo might not build on a different architecture. |
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| 09:29.07 | smyl | Vasistha_: try doing the remote debian install on the machine i'm in front of... |
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| 09:29.15 | deadcat_ | liable: shit (= |
| 09:29.24 | liable | hehe :) |
| 09:29.31 | smyl | i'm stuck at work for another 3 hours, and i'm bored... |
| 09:29.35 | Vasistha_ | smyl: oh, I've been considering doing that here... as practice, in case I ever need to remotely manage a machine |
| 09:29.42 | smyl | hooray for 24 hour shifts... |
| 09:29.43 | smyl | heh |
| 09:29.45 | Maulkin | unstable: in man ssh_config? |
| 09:29.46 | deadcat_ | Vasistha_: ya. i installed those few cgi lib perl packages.. trying to run HoTTProxy for a friend |
| 09:29.46 | liable | smyl: download some porn? |
| 09:29.57 | HelmutG | liable: What scripts are there to enable a user invoke certain programs in a chroot? |
| 09:30.01 | smyl | heh, i'm in a large room of people... |
| 09:30.09 | streuner | !room |
| 09:30.10 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 09:30.24 | liable | HelmutG: i actually have no idea how to do it, i havent a 64 box :( |
| 09:30.35 | deadcat_ | streuner: i think he meant physically (= |
| 09:30.50 | smyl | heh |
| 09:31.01 | smyl | though, every one in here is sleeping at the moment... |
| 09:31.15 | liable | smyl: hehe, turn the sound down, move closer to you desk.. :P |
| 09:31.15 | streuner | deadcat_: oh :-) |
| 09:31.15 | smyl | but still, people from the edit bays walk through randomly... |
| 09:31.15 | formorer | HelmutG: use it from a 32bit chroot |
| 09:31.15 | smyl | heh |
| 09:31.27 | HelmutG | liable: That's a good choice for you (I would not have taken one if there were 32bit smp cores avaiable) |
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| 09:32.06 | nima | can someone tell me how to stop the .svn directories from being included in the debian package on build? |
| 09:32.13 | HelmutG | formorer, liable: Another point is that the chroot will presumably take more than 1G of diskspace. :-/ |
| 09:32.25 | liable | ouch |
| 09:32.31 | liable | HelmutG: thats a problem? |
| 09:32.41 | HelmutG | liable: unfortunately yes |
| 09:32.45 | formorer | and why are you using 64bit? |
| 09:32.50 | formorer | most times that fully useless |
| 09:32.51 | liable | HelmutG: bugger |
| 09:33.19 | smyl | Vasistha_: using the procedure for a remote debian install on the machine in front of me... |
| 09:33.20 | liable | formorer: because he can? |
| 09:33.21 | _robert | why does #getty 38400 tty12 -n -l '/bin/login' work, but #getty 38400 tty12 -n -l '/bin/login robert -f' does not ? |
| 09:33.24 | HelmutG | formorer: uhm mostly because I found it usefull to detect bugs. |
| 09:33.27 | smyl | Vasistha_: using the procedure for a remote debian install on the machine in front of me... |
| 09:33.31 | nima | dpkg-deb -c <package>.deb shows that the .svn directories have not been ignored, how can i make the build ignore them? |
| 09:33.36 | smyl | hrm |
| 09:33.43 | smyl | wierd |
| 09:33.44 | HelmutG | formorer: I'd never found out that you cannot pass void* to makecontext() if I had used i386. |
| 09:33.51 | Il_turisto | sorry I'm at work and I've afk for a moment |
| 09:34.22 | formorer | HelmutG: buy another hard disk and make a 32bit chroot |
| 09:34.28 | HelmutG | formorer: #311800 |
| 09:34.43 | HelmutG | formorer: yeah, I was planning to do that. |
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| 09:34.53 | TiKiTaKi | hello |
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| 09:34.57 | liable | hi |
| 09:34.58 | TiKiTaKi | in what package i can find chkconfig ? |
| 09:35.00 | formorer | HelmutG: and btw. abiword is also able to open MS files, koffice too |
| 09:35.05 | unstable | ssh-keygen -R ip |
| 09:35.05 | unstable | works |
| 09:35.08 | HelmutG | formorer: thanks. :-) |
| 09:35.10 | formorer | HelmutG: and both are 64bit clean |
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| 09:35.14 | liable | TiKiTaKi: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:35.19 | Il_turisto | I restart. |
| 09:35.19 | Il_turisto | I have to make a custom debian cd with auto installation |
| 09:35.19 | Il_turisto | all the options muust be set in the cd. so the user put the cd in it's drive and all is installed, configured, ... |
| 09:35.19 | Il_turisto | the best for me is simple-cdd but it don't works coreectly. |
| 09:35.20 | Il_turisto | can someone help me? |
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| 09:35.32 | deadcat_ | TiKiTaKi: isnt that a redhat thing? |
| 09:35.34 | HelmutG | formorer: that's a really good hint. :-) |
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| 09:35.43 | streuner | !find chkconfig |
| 09:35.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'chkconfig' (3): (/usr/share/lyx/chkconfig.ltx) in editors/lyx-common ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Completion/Unix/_chkconfig) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.2-dev-1/functions/Completion/Unix/_chkconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 09:35.57 | TiKiTaKi | deadcat_ yes it is , under debian should also works? |
| 09:36.04 | Il_turisto | hmmm ban for flood :( |
| 09:36.13 | streuner | kick for flood |
| 09:36.23 | liable | Il_turisto: dont paste :P connect to irc.debian/org and join the custom channel you were talking about before |
| 09:36.25 | deadcat_ | TiKiTaKi: i doubt it. what you want to do? list the rc dirs or change the runlevel scripts? |
| 09:36.39 | Il_turisto | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.39 | Il_turisto | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.39 | Il_turisto | all the options muust be set in the cd. so the user put the cd in it's drive and all is installed, configured, ... |
| 09:36.39 | Il_turisto | the best for me is simple-cdd but it don't works coreectly. |
| 09:36.39 | Il_turisto | can someone help me? |
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| 09:36.41 | TiKiTaKi | deadcat_ yes i need it to a conversion tool |
| 09:36.43 | liable | Il_turisto: irc.debian.org.. |
| 09:36.51 | jelly-home | TiKiTaKi: you'll want to use update-rc.d and/or sysvconfig. |
| 09:36.52 | liable | wow.. |
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| 09:36.57 | deadcat_ | TiKiTaKi: it to do what? |
| 09:37.03 | Il_turisto | sorry for the flood I'm confused |
| 09:37.08 | liable | Il_turisto: your a slow learner arent you :P |
| 09:37.10 | Il_turisto | I have a problem with my irc client |
| 09:37.16 | TiKiTaKi | deadcat_ ./build: line 1929: /sbin/chkconfig: No such file or directory |
| 09:37.22 | TiKiTaKi | i need it installed. |
| 09:37.24 | Il_turisto | I type all in one messages and it post as 5 messages |
| 09:37.27 | liable | Il_turisto: connect to irc.debian/org and join the custom channel you were talking about before |
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| 09:37.37 | liable | irc.debian.org |
| 09:37.42 | Il_turisto | thnaks liable I'll try that |
| 09:37.45 | deadcat_ | TiKiTaKi: debian doesnt have it. chances are it will blow up if you run it |
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| 09:37.55 | HelmutG | Il_turisto: have you read about preseed files? |
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| 09:38.09 | TiKiTaKi | deadcat_ i will compile it from a source |
| 09:38.11 | Il_turisto | yes yes I have read all the configuration doc |
| 09:38.15 | liable | HelmutG: i think thats what the the he is using does. |
| 09:38.20 | Il_turisto | it works in fact but the cd is not bootabme |
| 09:38.23 | Il_turisto | *bootable |
| 09:38.25 | liable | s/the/thing/ |
| 09:38.35 | deadcat_ | TiKiTaKi: its not that. chkconfig requires redhat specific stuff. |
| 09:38.57 | TiKiTaKi | deadcat_ i will check it out :) |
| 09:39.00 | deadcat_ | k |
| 09:39.05 | TiKiTaKi | /bin/sh: line 1: no: command not found |
| 09:39.05 | TiKiTaKi | make[2]: *** [eu_ES.gmo] Error 127 |
| 09:39.09 | TiKiTaKi | ya, wont install |
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| 09:39.33 | jelly-home | TiKiTaKi: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:40.08 | TiKiTaKi | ./configure --disable-nls , with this option it will compile |
| 09:40.26 | TiKiTaKi | jelly-home i need to install chkonfig on my debian, directadmin conversion tools require it |
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| 09:40.55 | HelmutG | formorer: Unfortunately abiword has similar formatting problems to wv. :-( |
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| 09:41.44 | HelmutG | Maybe I should really reply people sending me M$ documents with a nice dvi attachment stating I cannot read their attachment. |
| 09:41.50 | ajdlinux | ha ha |
| 09:42.19 | jelly-home | TiKiTaKi: I don't know what directadmin is, but it sounds rather distribution specific. |
| 09:43.05 | TiKiTaKi | jelly-home it is a control panel, it was installed, i think everythink is going well:) |
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| 09:46.24 | jelly-home | HelmutG: The most compatible way to use ms office documents on linux is to actually install (crossover and ms) office. Works if you're on i386. |
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| 09:48.20 | dondelelcaro | HelmutG: oowriter works fairly well |
| 09:48.30 | dondelelcaro | and antiword works for the saner doc files |
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| 09:51.10 | lord_rob | Hi ! is it safe to upgrade to xbase-clients 7 |
| 09:51.24 | lord_rob | 7.1 if all other packages are still 7.0 ? |
| 09:51.49 | liable | lord_rob: if it breaks, upgrade the wiki :) |
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| 09:52.29 | lord_rob | liable: yeah but I'm selfish, I want to be helped, not the other way around :p |
| 09:52.41 | lord_rob | (just kidding) |
| 09:52.46 | HelmutG | jelly-home: I know, but it's a pita |
| 09:53.05 | abchirk | morning |
| 09:53.13 | liable | lord_rob: haha, c'mon, be the guinee pig :) |
| 09:53.21 | yoanis_gil | morning |
| 09:53.29 | HelmutG | dondelelcaro: people seem to manage writing documents incompatible with both antiword and abiword. |
| 09:53.29 | ajdlinux | evening |
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| 09:53.51 | jelly-home | HelmutG: eh. Crossover Office is not really pita, but costs money. My employer has M$ Office so I don't have to pay for that too. ;-) |
| 09:54.33 | lord_rob | liable: I've exams to study for the moment, I upgrade only my sources, not any package ;) don't have time to waste with fixing the pc ;) |
| 09:55.34 | lord_rob | just happy xorg is coming into sid :p |
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| 09:56.50 | liable | sheesh, even running windows in qemu makes me nervous with all the disk usage :P |
| 09:57.02 | [XOR] | hi boys and girls, please tell me how to list all files installed by a certain package with apt ? |
| 09:57.22 | lord_rob | [XOR]: dpkg -L <packageName> |
| 09:57.27 | [XOR] | tyvm |
| 09:57.28 | HelmutG | jelly-home: M$ office is not even able to natively produce pdf. After buying that product I'd need to extend it to make it usable at all. |
| 09:57.31 | [XOR] | adieu |
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| 09:58.35 | lord_rob | HelmutG: ever heard of latex ? |
| 09:58.37 | shogunx | i always found catdoc handy. |
| 09:58.44 | lord_rob | ok I shut up now :) |
| 09:58.47 | HelmutG | lord_rob: Yeah, how to convince people to use it? |
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| 09:59.12 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 09:59.18 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:59.24 | shogunx | for those rare occasions when i had to read some drivel wrapped in a word file:) |
| 09:59.47 | lord_rob | HelmutG: well I think it suits computer scientists very well, but I doubt it suits everyone |
| 09:59.50 | shogunx | but i agree on the texinfo |
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| 10:01.08 | jelly-home | HelmutG: eh. I was under the impression the goal was to read the sent documents, not convert them to pdf. Anyway, wine (and crossover) do printing to .ps, and it's not a long way from there to pdf. However I haven't tried to do that so I can't tell you how well it would work. |
| 10:01.17 | cahoot | lord_rob: one could consider LyX |
| 10:02.16 | lord_rob | cahoot: before trying latex, I first tried LyX, and it did not suit me, but that's just my personnal opinion |
| 10:03.58 | jelly-home | HelmutG: I had to create M$ files, and OO.o wasn't really up to it. Crossover + Office XP worked really nice, and at least I didn't have to reboot into Windows. |
| 10:04.03 | lord_rob | anyway, I have played a bit with openoffice in debian and it seems pretty good actually |
| 10:04.15 | cahoot | lord_rob: the point would be: when the looks of printed output is the main goal |
| 10:04.27 | liable | cept its slow as fuck :) |
| 10:05.04 | lord_rob | liable: depends on how you fuck (that's none of my business) |
| 10:05.10 | liable | why are the bots +v now? |
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| 10:05.24 | liable | lord_rob: yadda yadda :P |
| 10:05.46 | lord_rob | :) |
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| 10:06.23 | sep | liable, perhaps becouse they are allways helpfull and never afk :) |
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| 10:07.03 | liable | heh, they are the smartest in the channel :) |
| 10:07.08 | lord_rob | they stay on top, useful :) |
| 10:07.18 | liable | sep: i got un working in the end with qemu :) |
| 10:07.23 | liable | tun* |
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| 10:09.07 | HelmutG | jelly-home: the reading/converting to pdf is quite similar. the difference is that I can use xpdf for reading it a second time (and it consumes much less space ;-) |
| 10:09.27 | HelmutG | jelly-home: and I consider pdf and ps nealry the same. |
| 10:10.19 | shogunx | wasn't there a ps2pdf app around somewhere? |
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| 10:15.03 | HelmutG | shogunx: gs-common |
| 10:15.38 | HelmutG | uhm kword nearly handles the formatting, but it writes strange numbers behind the text and makes the text unreadable. |
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| 10:16.32 | shogunx | there we go... catdoc $filename.doc | a2ps | ps2pdf filename.pdf |
| 10:16.38 | shogunx | :) |
| 10:16.42 | shogunx | who needs a gui. |
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| 10:17.11 | zimnyx | Anyone succeed running DBDesigner4 on debian box? |
| 10:17.16 | liable | thats way easier than clicking! :P |
| 10:17.17 | Ahri | i'm having trouble getting any aliasing to work in exim4 on sarge, i have the exim4-daemon-heavy package installed and i get '550 unknown user' whenever i send email to an alias (but sending to known users works) |
| 10:17.25 | HelmutG | shogunx: to strip of all the formatting together? ;-) |
| 10:17.46 | Shadowcat | no more keyboard for you! |
| 10:17.53 | liable | :( |
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| 10:18.12 | EmZee | I'm having issues with getting my USB mouse to work under Debian Sarge... I had it working after the first install but I've since updated my packages and now I can't make the mouse work... I did "modprobe mousedev" and it got me into GDM but the cursor doesn't move. |
| 10:18.17 | EmZee | Can anyone help? |
| 10:18.19 | HelmutG | shogunx: I'd appreaciate a shellscript to convert, but this should not undermine the whole usability and M$ word users tend to format using spaces! |
| 10:18.23 | shogunx | HelmutG, formatting? why? whats wrong with ascii:) |
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| 10:18.30 | liable | Shadowcat: might as well make it the ultimate punishment and give me a macbook! :) |
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| 10:19.08 | Shadowcat | no, I'm giving you a laptop runnin WinME |
| 10:19.08 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 10:19.10 | Shadowcat | running* |
| 10:19.19 | shogunx | HelmutG, so maybe a sed in there to ditch extra spaces... |
| 10:19.25 | HelmutG | shogunx: Uhm. in order to understand what the author meant. |
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| 10:20.25 | shogunx | Shadowcat, ahh. there is your error. any laptop with winme cannot be considered running;) |
| 10:20.25 | HelmutG | shogunx: looks like you never received stuff like that. lucky you are. ;-) |
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| 10:20.43 | Shadowcat | shogunx: who cares, it's to torture liable >:) |
| 10:21.32 | shogunx | HelmutG, i'm a hermit. i live in cavelike conditions, and avoid contact with windows users as much as possible. |
| 10:21.56 | shogunx | Shadowcat, well... torture... ok. |
| 10:22.24 | Shadowcat | nobody said he was a vampire too |
| 10:22.26 | Shadowcat | oh well |
| 10:23.14 | liable | i wish i had net when i was living in my cave :( |
| 10:23.27 | Shadowcat | you did |
| 10:23.35 | liable | no i didnt |
| 10:23.37 | Shadowcat | but it was in the form of a winmodem so you couldn't get it working |
| 10:23.39 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 10:23.43 | HelmutG | shogunx: It's like you hear really bad stories about these kind of people, but no such story describes how bad the situation really is. Even if you give them tools to produce readable formats (PDFCreator) they don't use them (because you of course have and i386 and of course have windows, how could it be different?) |
| 10:23.59 | liable | Shadowcat: actually, i did get my winmodem working :P |
| 10:24.48 | shogunx | liable did you ever read about the guy who squatted in a cave at los alamos national labs? he had solar panels and a wood burning stove, and get this, had installed a sliding glass door on the cave. |
| 10:24.48 | liable | yay, sp2 installed! :) |
| 10:25.10 | HelmutG | shogunx: it's like they live in houses made of wood, and they cannot imagine that there are houses made of stone. They then wonder how someone can use a house that cannot swim, but the other person simply doesn't want to get his house burned. |
| 10:25.11 | liable | shogunx: hahaha |
| 10:25.34 | shogunx | liable, he had like 15 pot plants too. |
| 10:25.37 | liable | shogunx: i know of a dude over here that does that, but nothing as flash as a sliding glass door |
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| 10:26.34 | shogunx | HelmutG, the ones that know me often ask for help with websites... which is scary enough for me to stay away. |
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| 10:27.11 | shogunx | liable, and this guy did this right in the middle of high security .gov land... for like 4 years he was there before they found him. |
| 10:27.46 | Shadowcat | shogunx: so they DID find you :P |
| 10:28.22 | liable | hehehe |
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| 10:29.22 | shogunx | http://www.hcn.org/servlets/hcn.Article?article_id=15248 |
| 10:29.45 | shogunx | Shadowcat, nah, i'm still in an attic a block from the beach:) |
| 10:30.05 | liable | not the basement? :P |
| 10:30.12 | Shadowcat | they kicked him out |
| 10:30.18 | Shadowcat | he was drawing too much power down there |
| 10:30.25 | shogunx | no basements here... sea level. |
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| 10:30.43 | shogunx | and they actually took the power lines off my old house. |
| 10:30.51 | shogunx | completely. |
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| 10:30.59 | Shadowcat | hah |
| 10:31.12 | liable | for stealing power? or being a squatter? |
| 10:31.17 | Ahri | i'm having trouble getting any aliasing to work in exim4 on sarge, i have the exim4-daemon-heavy package installed and i get '550 unknown user' whenever i send email to an alias (but sending to known users works) |
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| 10:31.26 | shogunx | i guess it was all the racks... and the powerbox fiberglassed shut... |
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| 10:31.33 | iluciv | hi I was wondering if the dvb-utils package is |
| 10:31.58 | liable | is what? |
| 10:32.04 | cahoot | Ahri: need to run 'newaliases' or such? |
| 10:32.14 | iluciv | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.22 | iluciv | sorry missed entered |
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| 10:32.40 | shogunx | liable, well, not LEGALLY stealing... they refused to turn on the power, so i did. and not squatting, per se. every month, the landlord would get a bill approximately for the amount of rent in repairs i made to the house. |
| 10:33.26 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 10:33.27 | shogunx | for 2 years:) |
| 10:33.31 | liable | shogunx: heh, you sneaky sneaky person |
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| 10:33.56 | shogunx | they wrote the rules, not me. i just pick holes in them. |
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| 10:34.30 | shogunx | someone tried that already liable. i made him replace the roof. for real. |
| 10:34.52 | blondie | wow |
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| 10:35.33 | liable | shogunx: are you a lawyer or something? |
| 10:35.50 | liable | shogunx: you sound like the tenant from hell! :P |
| 10:36.38 | liable | i am gonna have to eat soon.. |
| 10:36.52 | liable | mmmmm, chicken grease |
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| 10:37.54 | ram_einstein | I don't like exim4 installed and removal requires that mutt be removed. Why? I use fetchmail, procmail and esmtp with mutt |
| 10:38.07 | iluciv | Hi does anyone know if the repos still have dvb-utils package and if so which ones as I can't seem to locate it. I thought it was just in standard repositries (etch) |
| 10:38.20 | shogunx | nope. my first employer in telecom taught me lots of interesting things as a young man, that i applied later in life. i did it to the landlord because he habitually rented to people, refused to fix the property, evicted them illegally through a buddy who was a judge, and stole all thier shit in the process. landlord was a lawyer tho, and i lasted 3 months past when the writ of possession was posted, kept all my shit, and had the ci |
| 10:38.20 | shogunx | ty force him to bring the house up to code, and significant cost to his greasy ass. |
| 10:38.23 | liable | ram_einstein: you need a mta |
| 10:38.33 | DerJamster | ram_einstein: create a fake 'mta' package with equivs |
| 10:38.42 | DerJamster | then mutt will stay ;) |
| 10:38.55 | liable | shogunx: hehe, good work :) |
| 10:39.04 | ram_einstein | liable: what is fetchmail? |
| 10:39.05 | shogunx | i fight on the side of the people man. |
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| 10:39.22 | liable | ram_einstein: i dont think its an mta.. |
| 10:39.23 | ram_einstein | DerJamster: how do I care a fake 'mta' package? |
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| 10:39.43 | liable | its a ftfm :) |
| 10:39.50 | ram_einstein | liable: same thing |
| 10:40.06 | DerJamster | ram_einstein: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html |
| 10:40.20 | ram_einstein | liable: I never had exim installed on my old system and I don't use it on this one either |
| 10:40.25 | ram_einstein | DerJamster: I'll look |
| 10:40.40 | liable | ram_einstein: well, fetchmail isnt an mta |
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| 10:40.57 | ram_einstein | it is! |
| 10:41.14 | ram_einstein | what else retrieves mail from a server and forwards it to a local system? |
| 10:41.25 | ram_einstein | it calls a MDA (procmail) |
| 10:41.27 | liable | Provides: fetchmail-ssl |
| 10:41.40 | liable | mutt, depends, exim|mta |
| 10:42.06 | liable | ram_einstein: dont argue with me, argue with dpkg :P |
| 10:42.11 | ram_einstein | liable: okay, I'll take your word for it :) |
| 10:43.25 | liable | ram_einstein: no need, aptitude show will tell ya :) |
| 10:44.00 | ram_einstein | but I didn't even configure exim and I still read my mail |
| 10:44.13 | liable | you cant argue with depends, its life :) |
| 10:44.24 | liable | so use equivs then |
| 10:44.28 | ram_einstein | okay, forget removing exim then |
| 10:44.35 | ram_einstein | I can't go through the trouble of doing that |
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| 10:44.54 | ram_einstein | It's simpler to make a deb package |
| 10:45.49 | iluciv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:47.24 | liable | iluciv: you use etch? its in sid |
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| 10:48.01 | ram_einstein | does anyone have the sid vlc? It seems to be faulty |
| 10:48.02 | liable | !+info dvb-utils etch |
| 10:48.03 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 10:48.09 | dpkg | dvb-utils: (Viewer programs for DVB cards), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.1.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 100 kB, Installed size: 1280 kB |
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| 10:48.29 | ram_einstein | wow! the bot's really nice |
| 10:49.11 | liable | dpkg: you're cool |
| 10:49.11 | dpkg | Of course I am! |
| 10:49.33 | liable | damn bot has an answer for everything :) |
| 10:49.49 | DerJamster | dpkg: Are you a bot? |
| 10:49.52 | DerJamster | nope ;) |
| 10:49.57 | Shadowcat | liable: if you're bored maybe you can fix XOrg |
| 10:49.58 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 10:50.13 | DerJamster | I'm one of the few lucky ones I guess :> |
| 10:50.37 | ram_einstein | dpkg: what kind of a bot are you? |
| 10:50.38 | dpkg | ram_einstein: what are you talking about? |
| 10:50.49 | ram_einstein | oh no |
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| 10:51.00 | ram_einstein | dpkg: kind of a bot |
| 10:51.20 | liable | Shadowcat: i am way too dumb for that! :P |
| 10:51.32 | liable | Shadowcat: whats wrong with it anyway? |
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| 10:51.58 | liable | !what are you |
| 10:51.59 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 10:52.00 | GeeK__ | hello all |
| 10:52.02 | ram_einstein | Shadowcat: xorg in etch is fine afaik |
| 10:52.07 | ram_einstein | ah |
| 10:52.30 | GeeK__ | i have problem to detect and mount my dvd combo on my Dell 610 someone have an idea |
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| 10:52.53 | liable | GeeK__: check dmesg for errors |
| 10:52.54 | GeeK__ | i see that i should use argument to mount it correctly |
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| 10:53.08 | ram_einstein | GeeK__: mount -t iso9660 |
| 10:53.09 | GeeK__ | liable, it's for install |
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| 10:53.32 | GeeK__ | i see some problem with libata and ide_core module |
| 10:53.53 | GeeK__ | how can i load modules on boot and don,'t load another |
| 10:53.56 | liable | GeeK__: oh, it doesnt find the cd drive at install? |
| 10:54.04 | GeeK__ | yes liable |
| 10:54.40 | Johnny_5 | i still can't seem to get lame to work right. i downloaded it, untared it, went into the dir created and did ./configure, then after that i did make, then after that make install....is there anything i'm missing? did i forget a step or something? |
| 10:54.42 | liable | GeeK__: i wish i knew the answer, of the many times i have seen people ask with that problem, i have never seen a definative answer :( |
| 10:54.44 | ram_einstein | GeeK__: put them in /etc/modules |
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| 10:55.17 | liable | Johnny_5: that should do it. why dont you just get it from marillat? |
| 10:55.37 | Johnny_5 | how do i do thaa? |
| 10:55.53 | GeeK__ | liable, answer if i read correctly is that , it should load ide_core firstly at boot but no libata |
| 10:55.59 | liable | !tell Johnny_5 about marillat |
| 10:56.07 | GeeK__ | and this argument on boot i don't know how to do it |
| 10:56.08 | Johnny_5 | should i delete the lame i got and start over with that one? |
| 10:56.13 | liable | GeeK__: is it a sata cd drive? |
| 10:56.21 | liable | Johnny_5: yeah |
| 10:56.25 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 10:56.29 | DerJamster | Johnny_5: it's a simple apt-get install lame if you put the marillat sources into your sources.list |
| 10:56.40 | Johnny_5 | ah... |
| 10:56.43 | GeeK__ | sata is the hdd and dvd is ide i think |
| 10:57.01 | Ahri | cahoot: hey thanks a lot man, i think running newaliases might've fixed it! |
| 10:57.22 | liable | GeeK__: laptop? |
| 10:57.30 | GeeK__ | yes dell 610 |
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| 10:57.43 | liable | !tell GeeK__ about laptop |
| 10:57.54 | liable | GeeK__: have a look at those sites. |
| 10:58.07 | liable | GeeK__: see what other people had to do |
| 10:58.18 | GeeK__ | ok thx liable |
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| 10:59.35 | ricky_clarkson | Hi. I used tpconfig -t 0 to try to turn off tapping in my laptop's touchpad, but it appears to have no effect. |
| 10:59.41 | ricky_clarkson | Any suggestions, hints or insults? |
| 11:00.20 | liable | ricky_clarkson: thinkwiki? |
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| 11:00.59 | liable | but if you insist |
| 11:01.04 | liable | !insult ricky_clarkson |
| 11:01.06 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson is nothing but a goatish pile of headless anal warts |
| 11:01.20 | liable | oh, nasty.. :) |
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| 11:01.51 | ricky_clarkson | But close to reality. |
| 11:02.00 | liable | hehe :) |
| 11:02.02 | ricky_clarkson | I'm actually an anal pile of headless goatish warts, but nevermind. |
| 11:03.43 | liable | ricky_clarkson: theres ##thinpad too iirc |
| 11:03.49 | liable | thinkpad* |
| 11:03.59 | ricky_clarkson | Er, I'm not using a thinkpad. |
| 11:04.16 | liable | oh |
| 11:04.24 | ricky_clarkson | tpconfig is touchpad |
| 11:04.26 | liable | i thought tpcontrol was... |
| 11:04.40 | liable | ok, feel free to abuse me. |
| 11:04.56 | ricky_clarkson | !abuse short meaningless package names |
| 11:05.20 | ricky_clarkson | I thought it was TPC on a fig at first. |
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| 11:06.58 | liable | hehheh |
| 11:07.14 | liable | ricky_clarkson: matbe theres smarter people on oftc :) |
| 11:07.16 | Johnny_5 | should i log out and back in for it to work now? |
| 11:07.33 | Johnny_5 | for lame to work that is |
| 11:07.41 | liable | nope |
| 11:07.44 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 11:07.46 | Johnny_5 | hmmm.... |
| 11:07.59 | Johnny_5 | still getting the same error |
| 11:08.02 | iluciv | liable: thanks using etch though |
| 11:08.13 | liable | Johnny_5: paste it to a paster |
| 11:08.19 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 11:08.40 | liable | iluciv: its in the repo apparently |
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| 11:11.36 | Johnny_5 | liable: http://pastebin.com/712726 |
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| 11:12.01 | USmarine | nvidia-glx: Depends: xserver-common (>= 4.0.3) but it is not going to be installed |
| 11:12.21 | USmarine | how can i resolve this dependencie? |
| 11:12.22 | liable | Johnny_5: what was the command? |
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| 11:13.34 | darth_chatri | i'm trying to run cdrecord, but it gives me the following error |
| 11:13.37 | darth_chatri | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.37 | Johnny_5 | liable: i'm using grip...i just told it to rip & encode |
| 11:13.45 | DerJamster | USmarine: apt-get install xserver-common nvidia-glx |
| 11:13.52 | streuner | darth_chatri: install an official kernel |
| 11:14.11 | darth_chatri | streuner: i'm using the kernel that came with the distro |
| 11:14.31 | darth_chatri | 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 11:14.40 | streuner | darth_chatri: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 11:15.04 | darth_chatri | Linux version 2.6.15-1-686 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 |
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| 11:15.25 | liable | Johnny_5: hrm, can you use lame from cli? |
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| 11:15.27 | streuner | darth_chatri: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? and what command did you use? |
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| 11:15.53 | darth_chatri | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-9 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:15.54 | Johnny_5 | liable: cli? |
| 11:16.08 | darth_chatri | i used "cdrecord -scanbus" |
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| 11:16.32 | peterS | streuner: it's no use, he's using etch |
| 11:16.42 | streuner | darth_chatri: cdrecord -scanbus scans the SCSI devices, if you haven't ide-scsi loaded it will fail |
| 11:16.45 | peterS | darth_chatri: normally these days you want 'dev=/dev/cdrom' sort of syntax |
| 11:16.59 | DerJamster | yeah. Unless you have a scsi device, the scsi drivers aren't needed. |
| 11:17.07 | peterS | darth_chatri: as opposed to the scsi device address stuff |
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| 11:17.15 | liable | Johnny_5: command line. try man lame |
| 11:17.23 | Johnny_5 | k |
| 11:17.32 | darth_chatri | the docs say that cdrecord treats all devices as SCSI devices |
| 11:17.44 | DerJamster | cdrecord dev=/dev/whatever works |
| 11:17.47 | liable | Johnny_5: at least it will narrow down the problem to either lame or grip |
| 11:17.51 | DerJamster | just add the burning options behind that. |
| 11:18.09 | liable | DerJamster: no! bjoerg says thats not on! :P |
| 11:18.22 | peterS | liable: you mean joerg |
| 11:18.22 | DerJamster | liable: ...wha? :) |
| 11:18.30 | liable | or whatever his name is, /me has a bad memory |
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| 11:18.38 | liable | peterS: yeah :) |
| 11:18.38 | DerJamster | ah, Schily? |
| 11:18.42 | liable | yerp |
| 11:18.45 | DerJamster | Heh. |
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| 11:19.19 | peterS | darth_chatri: to be honest I never specify dev= anymore, I added it to my /etc/cdrecord/cdrecord file. "CDR_DEVICE=cdrom" "cdrom= /dev/cdrom -1 -1 burnfree" |
| 11:19.31 | liable | i must have been thinking of abba i guess.. :) |
| 11:19.32 | peterS | darth_chatri: those two lines in that file mean I never have to say dev= again |
| 11:19.56 | peterS | DerJamster: yes. jörg schilling |
| 11:20.23 | streuner | Schily was the former minister for inner affairs |
| 11:20.42 | liable | streuner: are you shitting me or what? |
| 11:20.59 | DerJamster | Well, his Forum accounts usually are named Schily or something. :> |
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| 11:21.31 | streuner | liable: nah, iam serious ;-) |
| 11:21.58 | streuner | http://www.bundestag.de/mdb/bio/S/schilot0.html |
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| 11:22.28 | DerJamster | liable: no, not the same person of course ;P |
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| 11:23.19 | liable | heh, guess i am gullible after all.. |
| 11:23.46 | peterS | you need to write a book, gullible's travels |
| 11:24.04 | ricky_clarkson | Billy Connoly already did. |
| 11:24.18 | gullible | haha, not suitablte for kids though :) |
| 11:24.28 | ricky_clarkson | It's not that bad. |
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| 11:24.57 | ricky_clarkson | The Baable has worse. |
| 11:25.52 | gullible | whats the baable? |
| 11:26.11 | ricky_clarkson | It's like the Bible, but it lives in South USA. |
| 11:26.33 | gullible | oh, think i'll leave that one alone .. |
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| 11:29.47 | darth_chatri | peterS: it seems to be working with dev=/dev/cdrw, but what has changed? |
| 11:29.47 | dino__ | Hello, im getting error in xorg, says Unloadmodule " Mouse" |
| 11:30.21 | peterS | darth_chatri: if you say /dev/foo rather than some scsi address like 0,1,0, it uses a totally different method to access the device |
| 11:30.23 | darth_chatri | the docs say that writers are treated as scsi devices, but now it seems that is not so |
| 11:30.29 | dino__ | i tried to reconfigure the xserver-xorg but still getting the same error when in run kdm |
| 11:30.29 | cyzie | hi all, i just bought a new hdd and i want this disk to continue to dedicate all spaces to /home partition. how do i do that? |
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| 11:30.54 | peterS | darth_chatri: the /dev/foo method is certainly easier to comprehend, and it also happens to work at least as well, with 2.6 kernels. (recent 2.4 kernels support this mode to some extent but it was experimental then) |
| 11:31.01 | gullible | cyzie: make a fs on it, and edit ftab and point home to it. |
| 11:31.17 | darth_chatri | so the functionality is now present in the IDE drivers? |
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| 11:31.35 | peterS | darth_chatri: the cdrecord author, Jörg Schilling, disagrees with the /dev/foo access method and thinks we should all be using the 0,1,0 method because that way it's just like cdrecord on non-Linux systems. |
| 11:31.39 | peterS | darth_chatri: yes. |
| 11:32.01 | darth_chatri | peterS: thanks |
| 11:32.03 | peterS | darth_chatri: he's a fan of Solaris in particular, and the /dev/foo access method won't work on Solaris. so he refuses to admit that it's a better idea. |
| 11:32.13 | cyzie | gullible, what about the existing partition that serve /home partition? |
| 11:32.52 | gullible | cyzie: dont worry about it. just do whatever you want with it, but, oh, you should copy the shit over.. :) |
| 11:33.15 | peterS | darth_chatri: to be honest I'm not sure whether the necessary magic exists in the SATA drivers yet. so if you have a SATA-connected drive (not common yet, I guess), it may or may not work that way |
| 11:33.18 | cyzie | gullible, i dont understand your point. can you elaborate how to accomplish my objective? |
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| 11:34.01 | gullible | cyzie: sure, mount the new partition, copy all your current home stuff to it, then edit fstab to point to that new partition. |
| 11:34.02 | cahoot | darth_chatri: if you have an interest in personality clashes there are regularly upcoming flamefests on LKML about cdrecord |
| 11:34.26 | fontp | how do i upgrade a particular package and its dependancies only? `apt-get upgrade atftpd` looks to be trying to update everything on the system. |
| 11:34.32 | dino__ | im getting error in Xorg.. says " Unloadmodule "mouse" |
| 11:34.37 | cyzie | gullible, yes, but what about the old partition /home ? what i want is to use the new disk to "enlarge" /home partition |
| 11:34.37 | dino__ | any thoughts? |
| 11:34.39 | gullible | cyzie: are you willing to accept that mission? |
| 11:34.40 | peterS | fontp: use 'apt-get install' instead of 'apt-get upgrade' for that |
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| 11:34.51 | fontp | ah, thanks |
| 11:34.57 | peterS | fontp: I'm not sure it actually upgrades dependencies, but who cares - if you want them upgraded, you say so |
| 11:35.26 | gullible | cyzie: unless you do lvm, then you cant really split /home over two partitions |
| 11:35.38 | peterS | fontp: better yet, run aptitude as a full-screen app, and learn how to use it - it takes a little while to get used to but it's very slick once you do. tasks like upgrading individual packages are pretty easy there |
| 11:35.46 | darth_chatri | i'm also having a problem with kde. Alt-tab randomly crashes kwin |
| 11:35.53 | cyzie | gullible, lvm....can i take off /home partition and then do lvm ? please advice |
| 11:35.57 | gullible | DerJamster: thats a feature :) |
| 11:36.09 | darth_chatri | actually, i'm long due for an update ... |
| 11:36.33 | peterS | cyzie: all things are possible. depending on your system layout and stuff, it may or may not be a trivial matter. |
| 11:36.36 | gullible | cyzie: i am a lvm retard, you will have to ask a smarter person about setting up lvm |
| 11:36.48 | gullible | cyzie: such as peterS :) |
| 11:36.53 | dino__ | anyone? |
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| 11:37.15 | gullible | dino__: can you paste the log? |
| 11:37.21 | cyzie | peterS, can you advice pleasE? |
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| 11:37.37 | cyzie | peterS, do you want to see my system layout ? |
| 11:37.39 | dino__ | no im using irssi |
| 11:37.42 | peterS | cyzie: first of all: you have a new disk. you have an existing /home partition. the data in your /home will entirely fit on your new disk. so far yes? |
| 11:37.58 | gullible | dino__: paste the relevent bits to #flood then |
| 11:38.03 | cyzie | peterS cyzie: first of all: you have a new disk. you have an existing /home partition. yes |
| 11:38.19 | darth_chatri | dino__: can you also paste your config file? |
| 11:38.19 | peterS | cyzie: (I'm asking whether it's possible to move your data over to the new disk and blow away the old /home, during the course of the conversion) |
| 11:38.22 | cyzie | peters the data in your /home will entirely fit on your new disk. so far yes? not quite, i want the new disk to "enlarge" the current /home partition |
| 11:38.29 | cyzie | peterS, yes |
| 11:38.35 | cyzie | peterS cyzie: (I'm asking whether it's possible to move your data over to the new disk and blow away the old /home, during the course of the conversion) // yes |
| 11:38.53 | peterS | cyzie: right, ok. now, will your data on /home _also_ fit into, say, /var? if so, the whole business is easier, there'll be less juggling of stuff |
| 11:39.22 | cyzie | peterS, i dont understand your last statement |
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| 11:40.00 | peterS | cyzie: to create /home as a volume inside an LVM layout, you'll need to move your data out of the way first. either you can shuffle it across your two disks, _or_ you can move it into another existing area like /var. do you have enough space in /var to do this? |
| 11:40.03 | gullible | cyzie: i think he means .. can you temporarely copy it somewhere else |
| 11:40.12 | dino__ | I dont know how to copy it but it says failed for input device "configured mouse" , Unloadmodule "mouse" |
| 11:40.28 | cyzie | peterS, can i paste you fdisk -l in private? |
| 11:40.37 | gullible | dino__: install gpm, then you can copy/paste in console |
| 11:40.53 | peterS | cyzie: let's work in another channel - say #home-lvm. then if others want to follow along, they can |
| 11:40.53 | gullible | ohnos, private! |
| 11:41.08 | cyzie | peterS, im there |
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| 11:41.18 | cyzie | peterS, i paste there |
| 11:41.19 | peterS | anyone want to watch a LVM conversion, #home-lvm |
| 11:41.24 | dino__ | allright |
| 11:41.26 | darth_chatri | dino__: can you try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" if you havent done so already? |
| 11:41.40 | dino__ | darth_chatri: i already did |
| 11:41.53 | dino__ | and choice ps2 mouse |
| 11:42.00 | dino__ | but still getting the error |
| 11:43.08 | darth_chatri | dino__: can you paste the relevant section from the config file? |
| 11:43.22 | darth_chatri | dino__: (or type it) |
| 11:43.35 | dino__ | in kdm log file it says can't open device /dev/input/mice |
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| 11:44.28 | yoanis_gil | how can i look for installed packages matching some regular expression |
| 11:44.29 | yoanis_gil | ? |
| 11:44.31 | dino__ | Configured Mouse: cant open input device |
| 11:44.42 | dino__ | darth_chatri: the xorg.conf file? |
| 11:44.55 | darth_chatri | dino__: does it work if you just run X? |
| 11:44.58 | darth_chatri | dino__: yes |
| 11:45.08 | AngusRF | my nvidia-3d-driver works only once after booting. i can work correct, until i restart gdm. when i do so, the screen just stays black, and i have to reboot the computer to use the nvidia-driver again |
| 11:45.19 | AngusRF | why could that be? |
| 11:46.12 | dino__ | no it's not working when i run X , givin the same error about dev/input/mice |
| 11:46.16 | gullible | yoanis_gil: dpkg -l |grep regex |
| 11:46.36 | dino__ | darth_chatri: allright i'll write the section part about the mouse ok? |
| 11:46.54 | darth_chatri | dino__: yes, put it in #flood if its too big |
| 11:47.00 | killown | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:47.39 | darth_chatri | killown: what language? |
| 11:47.48 | killown | c |
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| 11:48.10 | darth_chatri | killown: gcc filename.c |
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| 11:48.30 | darth_chatri | killown: of course depends on what libs and includes the program uses |
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| 11:49.33 | kyon | is there a way to force dpkg to remove a partially configured package without trying to stop the daemon first? dpkg -P or -r freezes up |
| 11:50.19 | dino__ | I dont know how to copy using the gpm |
| 11:50.44 | rumpl | I have a ibm thinkpad t23 with a 2.6.16 kernel, now, my question: I have a AC97 sound card (lspci: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Control). Is there a way to get the ALSA working with my sound card? |
| 11:50.51 | darth_chatri | dino__: are you using a ps2 mouse? |
| 11:50.57 | dino__ | yep |
| 11:51.00 | dino__ | normal mouse |
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| 11:53.19 | darth_chatri | dino__: i have pasted a input device section in #flood |
| 11:53.27 | darth_chatri | is yours similar? |
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| 12:00.56 | peterS | gullible: I'm describing the conversion in #home-lvm, even though he can't do it in real time |
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| 12:01.40 | gullible | peterS: ok, i'll /j again |
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| 12:05.25 | fontp | holy crap the problem i had really was with tftpd. that's wierd, i'd have figured that there's not much to break with that daemon. |
| 12:06.18 | frodo_ | When your installing debian and its asking for the horizontal and vertical for your monitor the numbers it the config is that is decting on the monitor? |
| 12:07.04 | frodo_ | That is for xwindows configuration? |
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| 12:13.40 | gullible | frodo_: say again? |
| 12:13.41 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:14.00 | gullible | Frrderick: huh? |
| 12:14.00 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:14.11 | gullible | Frrderick: who owns you? |
| 12:14.12 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:14.12 | unstable | !42 |
| 12:14.12 | dpkg | 42 is probably the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
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| 12:15.13 | gullible | fresch: is that your bot? |
| 12:15.14 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:15.20 | gullible | !ops Frrderick |
| 12:15.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: gullible complains about: Frrderick |
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| 12:17.17 | gullible | yay, no ops |
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| 12:18.20 | frodo_ | I am install debian for the monitor vertical and horizontal and vertical is the numbers that its using is that what its detecting for the monitor? |
| 12:18.20 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:18.46 | ricky_clarkson | I am trying to get rid of this bot |
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| 12:18.53 | ricky_clarkson | How do you trigger it? |
| 12:18.54 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:18.58 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 12:18.58 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.02 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 12:19.02 | ricky_clarkson | ?# |
| 12:19.02 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.03 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 12:19.03 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.04 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 12:19.04 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.04 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 12:19.05 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
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| 12:19.07 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 12:19.07 | LoRez | Warning: `ricky_clarkson' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued. |
| 12:19.07 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.07 | LoRez | Warning: `Frrderick' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued. |
| 12:19.09 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 12:19.10 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.14 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, bloody hell. |
| 12:19.15 | unstable | !ops Frrderick |
| 12:19.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew: unstable complains about: Frrderick |
| 12:19.21 | sep | ? |
| 12:19.22 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.22 | ricky_clarkson | I was trying to flood it off the channel. |
| 12:19.24 | gullible | LoRez: huh? |
| 12:19.24 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.26 | sep | ? |
| 12:19.26 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.27 | sep | ? |
| 12:19.27 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.27 | sep | ? |
| 12:19.28 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.30 | sep | ? |
| 12:19.30 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:19.31 | LoRez | Warning: `Frrderick' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued. |
| 12:19.33 | ricky_clarkson | gullible: That was automatic. |
| 12:19.34 | jelly | ricky_clarkson: /ignore is your friend, don't annoy the other users even more. |
| 12:19.43 | sep | if more type ? it will be gone :) |
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| 12:19.47 | gullible | i didnt know LoRez was a bot |
| 12:19.47 | *** kick/#debian [Frrderick!n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 12:19.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:19.49 | ricky_clarkson | sep: Yep. |
| 12:19.52 | gullible | yay |
| 12:20.05 | ricky_clarkson | Even normal users can run scripts. |
| 12:20.14 | sep | !win azeem |
| 12:20.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, azeem! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:20.18 | azeem | eh. |
| 12:20.24 | DerJamster | Sucks to be you ;P |
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| 12:20.29 | Myon | azeem: my condolences |
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| 12:20.34 | laurens_ | Hi. |
| 12:20.51 | unstable | !greet laurens_ |
| 12:20.51 | dpkg | Welcome, laurens_ |
| 12:21.01 | gullible | why is LoRez listed as an op? |
| 12:21.05 | ricky_clarkson | jelly: Understood, but it's worked quite well before. ;) |
| 12:21.12 | ricky_clarkson | gullible: Because he's an op. |
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| 12:21.24 | laurens_ | I have a small network (say 10 clients 1 server). The clients all take care of their own backups. I want the server to periodically check every client for new backups, and if neccesary, download them |
| 12:21.29 | azeem | gullible: because he moderates this chan |
| 12:21.32 | billythefish | hi, newbie, problem with xfree/wmaker. installed both, installed xdm, ran xfree86config. |
| 12:21.36 | gullible | ricky_clarkson: it looks like a bot to me.. |
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| 12:21.43 | laurens_ | Is there an open source program that does this, or should I get coding? |
| 12:21.47 | ricky_clarkson | gullible: Oh, shit, did you read what I wrote? |
| 12:22.00 | unstable | laurens_: There are a crapload of programs that do that. |
| 12:22.05 | unstable | !tell laurens_ about amanda |
| 12:22.11 | charzero | If I'm in Etch, and upgraded to xorg 7, should i remove x-window-system-core, or anything else? |
| 12:22.13 | gullible | ricky_clarkson: um, yes, but obviously i didnt understand |
| 12:22.14 | laurens_ | ty |
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| 12:22.30 | Myon | charzero: no, x-w-s-c is still ok |
| 12:22.31 | murtun | hey all |
| 12:22.34 | billythefish | run startx, xserverrc tells it to run /usr/bin/X11/X but there's no such file |
| 12:22.41 | ricky_clarkson | gullible: IRC clients can have scripts in them, e.g., /knockout in irssi works like a script. |
| 12:22.52 | gullible | ricky_clarkson: oh, ok. ta |
| 12:23.11 | roe | Can someone help me with getting a raid to startup properly? |
| 12:23.27 | laurens_ | thank you unstable |
| 12:23.30 | murtun | Why is my apache path, /var/www/apache2-default |
| 12:23.46 | gullible | ricky_clarkson: i missed that bit |
| 12:23.47 | laurens_ | at first sight this looks like a tape-based backup system... im assuming its also possible to save to hd? |
| 12:23.52 | murtun | where can i edit it to make the root /var/www |
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| 12:24.27 | unstable | murtun: That is where the root is. |
| 12:24.35 | unstable | murtun: edit /var/www/index.html |
| 12:24.43 | murtun | unstable, not on this box |
| 12:24.46 | unstable | laurens_: I believe so. |
| 12:25.00 | unstable | murtun: If it's a debian box, yes it is.(assuming no one fucked it up) |
| 12:25.15 | murtun | by default, it goes to /var/www/apache2-default/index.html |
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| 12:25.28 | murtun | its a fresh install |
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| 12:25.40 | jelly | murtun: one way is to create a separate virtuahost and set up DocumentRoot wherever you want it to be, then disable the default virtualhost. |
| 12:25.40 | unstable | murtun: So just create /var/www/index.html and it will go there |
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| 12:25.41 | charzero | murtun: its controlled by the config in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 12:26.10 | frodo_ | The number that is using the debian setup of 28-50 for the monitors horizontal is that a number that is decting on the monitor? |
| 12:26.15 | murtun | yeah i noticed Charzero |
| 12:26.40 | murtun | which is a little strange.. what happened to good old, /etc/apache/http.conf |
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| 12:27.48 | gullible | murtun: its prolly covered in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 12:28.06 | roe | I just built a deb stable box with 2 SATA drives in raid1, everything went smoothly and if I start the array manually I can access it fine (using mdrun) but when I boot up the process stalls complaining about a bad superblock on the second drive |
| 12:28.09 | roe | any ideas |
| 12:28.14 | billythefish | is anyone familiar with the startx command? |
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| 12:28.42 | mux | hello! am I right in thinking that there is no php4-exif package for debian? |
| 12:28.43 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:28.50 | gullible | roe: run fsck on the drive? |
| 12:28.50 | Frrderick | iThe answer is 42! just try it out! |
| 12:28.53 | gullible | ffs |
| 12:28.54 | billythefish | its trying to exec a file X in /usr/bin/X11/ |
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| 12:29.18 | roe | gullible, on the drive or the array? |
| 12:29.22 | billythefish | which doesnt exist, so i don't know what to set xserverrc to exec |
| 12:29.37 | gullible | roe: te drive, then try putting it back in the array |
| 12:30.19 | roe | the way mdadm, I never created a filesytem for each drive I just paritioned them and had mdadm create the raid then I created a filesystem across both drives |
| 12:30.39 | roe | so each individual drive doesn't have a fs |
| 12:30.49 | roe | or atleast I don't think it does |
| 12:31.37 | roe | well just running the fsck /dev/sdb1 = clean |
| 12:31.43 | roe | as well as for /dev/sda1 |
| 12:32.22 | gullible | roe: did you try -c flag? (iirc, thats the one for checking badblocks) |
| 12:32.23 | mux | am I supposed to get the exif module for PHP through PEAR or some other way ? |
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| 12:33.09 | roe | its chugging now |
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| 12:33.49 | AcuraX | Is there a messenger client that supports mic for linux? |
| 12:34.03 | formorer | mic? |
| 12:34.05 | gullible | mic? |
| 12:34.11 | gullible | voice? |
| 12:34.14 | AcuraX | like for yahoo so you can talkon the mic |
| 12:34.16 | AcuraX | yeah |
| 12:34.22 | formorer | AcuraX: ekiga |
| 12:34.31 | AcuraX | does it support yahoo? |
| 12:34.34 | formorer | no |
| 12:34.41 | Juzzy | I tried installing mysql-server-5.0 from backports, and I got an error b/c I have isam tales, or so it thinks, and I cannot uninstall the broken 5.0, nor reinstall 4.0 |
| 12:34.49 | gullible | gaim2? doesnt that do voice? |
| 12:34.52 | obscure | theres is skype |
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| 12:35.20 | formorer | skype is non-free shit, you can use ekiga (which uses sip) |
| 12:35.55 | obscure | fuck ekiga |
| 12:36.01 | AcuraX | gaim-vv |
| 12:36.01 | obscure | skype is packed with people |
| 12:36.12 | obscure | i didnt have to pay anything to use skype |
| 12:36.14 | ricky_clarkson | I'm using sarge, but testing in a chroot. |
| 12:36.21 | obscure | so its free for me |
| 12:36.22 | Juzzy | can anyone tell me how to fix my broken apt-get? |
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| 12:36.32 | formorer | obscure: so you are wrong here. |
| 12:36.39 | ricky_clarkson | Sarge can access the Internet, and Etch cannot, but ifconfig lists the right things from etch. |
| 12:36.40 | jeffrin | hello |
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| 12:36.50 | jeffrin | please help |
| 12:36.52 | sep | obscure, free as in beer |
| 12:36.54 | formorer | sip is also free |
| 12:37.02 | ricky_clarkson | I don't have any symptoms to give except packet loss and no DNS results. |
| 12:37.15 | obscure | sep yes so whats your point |
| 12:37.16 | sep | ricky_clarkson, check name resolution |
| 12:37.17 | jeffrin | while kernel compiles my laptop gets heated up like anything |
| 12:37.19 | ricky_clarkson | sep: How? |
| 12:37.26 | obscure | sometimes thats all it matters |
| 12:37.30 | sep | ricky_clarkson, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:37.31 | gullible | ricky_clarkson: reolv.conf exists and has entries? |
| 12:37.43 | gullible | resolv.conf* |
| 12:37.55 | gullible | !lose me |
| 12:37.55 | dpkg | gullible: You Lose. |
| 12:37.56 | ricky_clarkson | search |
| 12:38.08 | ricky_clarkson | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 12:38.15 | ricky_clarkson | Should I make it match sarge's? |
| 12:38.21 | sep | ricky_clarkson, same as your sarge ? |
| 12:38.22 | sep | yes |
| 12:38.32 | gullible | Juzzy: paste the output from apt-get -f install |
| 12:38.38 | Juzzy | http://pastebin.com/712829 |
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| 12:38.48 | Juzzy | gull: it just tries to install mysql5.0 again |
| 12:39.03 | gullible | ible |
| 12:39.08 | Juzzy | it says I have isam tables, which i doubt, but it's deleted the old convert tool already |
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| 12:39.33 | ricky_clarkson | sep: Thanks, works great. |
| 12:39.41 | sep | np |
| 12:39.49 | jeffrin | helo |
| 12:39.52 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 12:39.56 | ricky_clarkson | Gnome starts really really slowly, takes about 1 minute for the main display to appear and another minute for it to become fully responsive. |
| 12:39.57 | jeffrin | please help me |
| 12:40.01 | ricky_clarkson | Any hints on that?# |
| 12:40.11 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: check DNS lookups |
| 12:40.22 | ricky_clarkson | Ah, then the change I just made probably solved that. ;) |
| 12:40.24 | gullible | jeffrin: you have to ask a question first |
| 12:40.29 | jeffrin | my laptop gets heated high when kernel compiles or when using USB mouse |
| 12:40.42 | jeffrin | it goes to 100 |
| 12:40.45 | Juzzy | is it possible to just flush my apt-get queue? |
| 12:40.56 | Juzzy | or force a mysql 4.0 install, via apt-get |
| 12:40.57 | azeem | Juzzy: queue? |
| 12:41.07 | gullible | Juzzy: try aptitude to install the older version again |
| 12:41.09 | Juzzy | well it knows I havn't finished the mysql5 install |
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| 12:41.17 | ricky_clarkson | azeem: Indeed, it fixed it, again thanks. |
| 12:41.34 | obscure | ricky_clarkson gnome is a pile of crap |
| 12:41.43 | obscure | i'd advise you to use kde instead |
| 12:41.45 | ricky_clarkson | obscure: Yes, but it's more usable than the other piles of crap. |
| 12:41.50 | obscure | no its not |
| 12:41.55 | obscure | its broken as hell |
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| 12:41.59 | ricky_clarkson | I disagree, having used both extensively. |
| 12:42.01 | obscure | (deicaza quote) |
| 12:42.10 | gullible | !start a wm war |
| 12:42.11 | dpkg | enlightenment blows goats! |
| 12:42.17 | ricky_clarkson | !start a dm war |
| 12:42.17 | dpkg | startx is just shit! |
| 12:42.23 | ricky_clarkson | !start a de war |
| 12:42.30 | ricky_clarkson | Oh, no, WWIII ;) |
| 12:42.45 | azeem | please /msg the bot |
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| 12:43.35 | ricky_clarkson | I did, and it doesn't display in the channel. ;( |
| 12:43.45 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: that's the point |
| 12:43.52 | ricky_clarkson | I know. |
| 12:44.03 | azeem | obscure: if you don't want others to tell you which VOIP client to use, don't start telling them what to use on their own |
| 12:44.22 | obscure | azeem i don't mind ppl tellimg what to use |
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| 12:44.32 | obscure | i'm smart enough not to pay attention anyway |
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| 12:45.11 | azeem | obscure: well, if you want to be part of this community, you should reconsider making statements such as `gnome is a pile of crap' |
| 12:45.14 | Juzzy | gull, nothing I try is working |
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| 12:45.23 | jeffrin | gullible : please help me to choose the proper kernel for my laptop |
| 12:45.29 | Juzzy | b/c of the half-installed (or so it thinks) mysql5.0 |
| 12:45.29 | azeem | because obviously some people haven't evaluated gnome on their own and might take your word for it |
| 12:45.43 | jeffrin | gullible : is it ACPI problem that gives heat ? |
| 12:45.48 | azeem | Juzzy: so remove mysql5.0 again |
| 12:45.55 | obscure | azeem i made it clear that i was expressing my personal opinion |
| 12:46.01 | obscure | everyone is free to look at the code and see for himself |
| 12:46.10 | ricky_clarkson | azeem: It is more polite to criticise style in private message. |
| 12:46.29 | mux | hello! am I right in thinking that there is no php4-exif package for debian? |
| 12:46.45 | azeem | obscure: this is a support channel, we're trying to withhold our personal opinions and just help people |
| 12:46.48 | gullible | Juzzy: either check the script thats failing or wait for it to be fixed, or i can show a filthy hack. |
| 12:46.53 | azeem | unless asked for them |
| 12:47.00 | gullible | jeffrin: what kind of cpu? |
| 12:47.10 | ricky_clarkson | azeem: Last time I was here much it was a discussion channel. |
| 12:47.21 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: it got misused then |
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| 12:47.43 | ricky_clarkson | Are you one of the people that greycat complained about? |
| 12:47.48 | Zvpun | on testing: nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 depends on nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-1-686 and linux-image-2.6-686 but linux-image-2.6-686 does depend on kernel 2.6.15 (linux-image-2.6.15-1-686). Is it save to install the nvidia-stuff for 2.6.16 while runing 2.6.15? |
| 12:48.19 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: I'm not going to have meta-discussion on this channel here. |
| 12:48.22 | obscure | if you have the proper kernel sources yeah |
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| 12:48.39 | ricky_clarkson | azeem: You just were, but ok. |
| 12:49.06 | jeffrin | gullible : intel celeron M 350 processor |
| 12:49.08 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: no, I wasn't discussing |
| 12:49.13 | Zvpun | obscure: I dont understand? I just want to install nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 and noticed this kernel thing myself. |
| 12:49.52 | gullible | jeffrin: have you checked the linux laptop sites to see if others have the same problem? |
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| 12:50.07 | obscure | Zvpun go ahead |
| 12:50.12 | gullible | !tell jeffrin about laptop |
| 12:50.56 | faber3 | whats the best ticket system in debian? |
| 12:52.15 | petemc | faber3: i found flyspray to be easy to set up and use |
| 12:52.17 | jeffrin | gullible : thanks |
| 12:52.40 | gullible | jeffrin: good luck |
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| 12:52.44 | obscure | when can we expect the sun sdk in testing |
| 12:52.55 | obscure | its been in unstable for some time |
| 12:53.03 | ricky_clarkson | testing is frozen, afiak. |
| 12:53.10 | formorer | I hope never |
| 12:53.10 | formorer | ricky_clarkson: no |
| 12:53.10 | azeem | ricky_clarkson: no |
| 12:53.13 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
| 12:53.19 | azeem | obscure: things in non-free might need manual intervention |
| 12:53.41 | ricky_clarkson | formorer: I can't imagine why you'd hope never - it's what non-free is for. |
| 12:53.47 | obscure | yes exactly |
| 12:53.54 | formorer | ricky_clarkson: its undistributable |
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| 12:54.03 | formorer | but my opinion on that part is well known |
| 12:54.04 | ricky_clarkson | formorer: Are you aware of the recent licence change? |
| 12:54.15 | formorer | ricky_clarkson: there was no license change |
| 12:54.17 | formorer | just a FAQ change |
| 12:54.18 | ricky_clarkson | DLJ |
| 12:54.25 | formorer | and this has stillt no legal relevance |
| 12:54.39 | ricky_clarkson | The DPL said otherwise, has he gone back on this? |
| 12:54.46 | obscure | formorer apparently the dpl disagrees with you |
| 12:54.56 | formorer | obscure: we will see what time brings |
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| 12:55.15 | gullible | *groan* |
| 12:55.18 | ricky_clarkson | I'd imagine this is discussed a lot of #debian-legal, dunno. |
| 12:55.20 | obscure | i've been using debian since 1.3 and lately this whole debian-legal business |
| 12:55.21 | ricky_clarkson | s/of/in/ |
| 12:55.24 | obscure | is pissing me off majorly |
| 12:55.26 | gullible | my tummy hurts |
| 12:55.32 | formorer | and I'm free to disagree with him |
| 12:55.40 | ricky_clarkson | obscure: Well, apparently Ubuntu isn't doing it any better. ;) |
| 12:56.17 | Zvpun | is XF86Config-4 still used with xserver-xorg? I changed xorg.conf but it seems to be of no effect. |
| 12:56.23 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: No. |
| 12:56.24 | azeem | Zvpun: no |
| 12:56.32 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Did you restart X? |
| 12:56.42 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: How did you change xorg.conf? |
| 12:56.54 | frodo_ | That is interesting Suse detects the hardware better with xindows |
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| 12:57.12 | bwallex | anybody familar with cups 1.2 here? |
| 12:57.23 | ricky_clarkson | bwallex: Ask the rest of your question. |
| 12:57.30 | bwallex | You must access this page using the URL https://villabacho:631/jobs/. |
| 12:57.30 | frodo_ | Suse does a better job with detecting the hardware with xwindows |
| 12:57.37 | bwallex | how can I disable SSL in CUPS? |
| 12:57.58 | bwallex | it's a slow machine and I don't need SSL in this private network here |
| 12:58.05 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: I changed the driver from i810 (my old grafic) to vesa, nv, and so on and did /etc/init.d/kdm restart. I removed the old /var/log/Xsomething.log and searched for i810 and vesa in the log file it still showed i810 |
| 12:58.13 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: I used vim |
| 12:59.15 | ricky_clarkson | And what exact file did it show that in? |
| 12:59.27 | ricky_clarkson | I want to know what 'something' is. |
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| 12:59.38 | bwallex | Encryption Never doens't work |
| 12:59.53 | ricky_clarkson | ~rot13 bwallex |
| 12:59.53 | apt | ojnyyrk |
| 13:00.14 | bwallex | ricky_clarkson: ? |
| 13:00.22 | ricky_clarkson | bwallex: Nevermind. |
| 13:00.32 | bwallex | ricky_clarkson: ok :) |
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| 13:02.39 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: I also used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:02.41 | jelly | Zvpun: upgrade to xorg7 seems to pick up some strange old defaults from somewhere. I tried briefly to find out, then resigned and moved away every xorg.conf*, XF86Config* and deleted stuff from debconf database by hand, then purged and reinstalled x server pacakges. |
| 13:02.48 | antgel | dpkg: unix lessons |
| 13:02.48 | dpkg | unix lessons is probably (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 13:03.13 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: If you edit it with vim, then use dpkg-reconfigure, it won't work. |
| 13:03.48 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: dpkg-reconfigure will realise the file has been changed (compares md5sums), and then, with great aplomb, write nothing and tell you nothing. |
| 13:04.09 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: great and how to make it write the file again? |
| 13:04.13 | eleftherios | I am on Sagre. Is there a particular reason $MANPATH is not defined? |
| 13:04.24 | ricky_clarkson | Something like md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.md5sum but I can't remember exactly. |
| 13:04.27 | Zvpun | jelly: I dont know how to delet stuff in debconf db |
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| 13:04.55 | jelly | Zvpun: "/msg dpkg xmd5" for the md5sum thing. |
| 13:05.21 | obscure | eleftherios, MANPATH is not normally defined |
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| 13:05.30 | obscure | you can define it yourself if you are not covered by the defaults |
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| 13:05.45 | obscure | you can also check manpath.config in /etc |
| 13:05.53 | Zvpun | jelly: it talkes about XF86Config-4 should I replace that with xorg.conf? |
| 13:05.57 | eleftherios | obscure, yes I am asking why it is not normally defined :-) |
| 13:06.17 | superlinux | I have an enetrtainment use LAN and I still donno how can I make use of the squid https_port option and is't a must? |
| 13:06.20 | jelly | Zvpun: yes. needs to be updated. |
| 13:06.29 | obscure | eleftherios, because it doesnt need to |
| 13:06.42 | eleftherios | obscure, and why is that? |
| 13:06.46 | opqdonut | apt-get update has moved to a diff-based system? |
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| 13:07.15 | Zvpun | should there still be a /var/lib/xfree86 or can I remove that directory? |
| 13:07.18 | laurens_ | Ah, you've noticed? |
| 13:07.24 | obscure | eleftherios because there exists /etc/manpath.config |
| 13:07.28 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Maybe remove xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:07.39 | eleftherios | obscure, ok :-) |
| 13:07.49 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Deleting stuff yourself is probably bad. |
| 13:07.49 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: not installed |
| 13:08.06 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: There's a way of seeing what package it comes from. |
| 13:08.11 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg -s or -S or something. |
| 13:08.11 | dpkg | Package: or -S or something.: Status: install ok installed |
| 13:08.18 | ricky_clarkson | Thanks, botty. |
| 13:08.27 | opqdonut | :) |
| 13:08.27 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: -S didnt work: dpkg -S /var/lib/xfree86/ |
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| 13:08.30 | Zvpun | dpkg: /var/lib/xfree86/ not found. |
| 13:08.40 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: I tried that befor I asked. |
| 13:08.48 | ricky_clarkson | Nice of you to mention that. ;) |
| 13:08.55 | Zvpun | :-) |
| 13:09.07 | Zvpun | still I dont know what this dir belongs to |
| 13:09.15 | Zvpun | its all a big mess if you are no expert |
| 13:09.18 | jelly | Zvpun: dunno, just ignore it. the new stuff is/will be in /var/lib/x11 |
| 13:09.29 | ricky_clarkson | dirs take about 4KB. |
| 13:09.32 | frodo_ | I got my xwindows to work |
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| 13:12.21 | Zvpun | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.28 | ricky_clarkson | who? |
| 13:12.36 | Zvpun | sorry new keyboard, what's the X.roster for? |
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| 13:13.47 | gullible | whos on first? |
| 13:13.52 | Zvpun | there is xserver-xfree86 mentioned in it. |
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| 13:14.52 | jelly | What's the length limit for factoids? |
| 13:15.01 | ricky_clarkson | About 256. |
| 13:15.08 | jelly | dpkg won't accept this update: xmd5 is also for xorg7 (now in etch), the filenames and locations have changed a bit. Use " md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum -" to check, and "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to update. |
| 13:15.08 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 13:15.10 | superlinux | hi all |
| 13:15.20 | gullible | haha |
| 13:15.21 | jelly | lol. |
| 13:15.25 | superlinux | seems that no one answered my question? |
| 13:15.32 | superlinux | I have an enetrtainment use LAN and I still donno how can I make use of the squid https_port option and is't a must? |
| 13:15.37 | ricky_clarkson | jelly: Also, should be xserver-xorg. |
| 13:15.49 | gullible | dpkg: forget won't accept this |
| 13:15.49 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'won't accept this' to forget, gullible |
| 13:16.07 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: forget won't accept this update: xmd5 |
| 13:16.08 | dpkg | i forgot won't accept this update: xmd5, ricky_clarkson |
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| 13:16.35 | ricky_clarkson | jelly: Just make a separate factoid and reference it from the end of that. |
| 13:16.41 | stew | !xmd5 |
| 13:16.42 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 13:16.45 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd1 |
| 13:16.45 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
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| 13:16.59 | stew | !xmd5 is also for xorg, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 13:16.59 | dpkg | stew: that's too long |
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| 13:17.04 | jelly | ricky_clarkson: indeed. |
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| 13:17.15 | Zvpun | I tried the md5sum stuff and still xorg.conf is not changed |
| 13:17.15 | oggis_ | hi |
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| 13:17.34 | Zvpun | Files xorg.conf.md5sum and - are identical |
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| 13:17.48 | stew | Zvpun: and the md5sum is in /var/lib/x11 ? |
| 13:17.57 | Zvpun | yes, my $pwd |
| 13:18.10 | Zvpun | X.md5sum X.roster Xwrapper.config.md5sum Xwrapper.config.roster xorg.conf.md5sum xorg.conf.roster |
| 13:18.42 | roe | gullible, you still around? |
| 13:18.49 | Zvpun | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 13:18.50 | gullible | roe: yerp |
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| 13:19.01 | roe | Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done 528 |
| 13:19.01 | Zvpun | but the md5sum for /etc/X11/X is ok |
| 13:19.09 | roe | does that mean there were bad blocks? |
| 13:19.42 | stew | Zvpun: see if it made a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dpkg.dist |
| 13:20.00 | gullible | roe: is that all it says? if so, yeah, looks like theres badblocks. |
| 13:20.26 | gullible | roe: that took a long time.. |
| 13:20.37 | Zvpun | stew: no I didn |
| 13:20.38 | Zvpun | fuck |
| 13:20.46 | Zvpun | stew: no it did'nt |
| 13:20.47 | roe | its a 120gb drive |
| 13:20.49 | roe | it says more |
| 13:20.54 | Zvpun | stew: I get: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been customized |
| 13:21.04 | roe | /dev/sdb1: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED ***** |
| 13:21.04 | roe | /dev/sdb1: 11/14663680 files (0.0% non-contiguous), 468357/29302528 blocks |
| 13:21.20 | stew | Zvpun: is this 7.0.20? or .21? |
| 13:21.22 | Zvpun | stew: but I did: md5sum /etc/X11/X | diff -sq X.md5sum -; and it says: Files X.md5sum and - are identical |
| 13:21.49 | Zvpun | it is 1:7.0.20 I am running testing |
| 13:22.27 | Zvpun | stew: hold on a sec I do a update/upgrade |
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| 13:23.03 | roe | gullible, so what is next? |
| 13:23.14 | gullible | roe: have you tried adding disk back to the array? |
| 13:23.21 | roe | not sure how to do that |
| 13:23.23 | AngusRF | how can i tell XFree86 to use my graphic-card's vga-out by default? |
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| 13:23.44 | gullible | roe: mdadm -a /dev/foo |
| 13:23.45 | oxygen | hello |
| 13:23.51 | unstable | !greet oxygen |
| 13:23.51 | dpkg | Bonjour, oxygen |
| 13:23.55 | gullible | roe: then cat /proc/mdstat for details |
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| 13:24.13 | oxygen | how can add user account for ftp in debian .. |
| 13:24.16 | oxygen | adduser .. |
| 13:24.21 | oxygen | so whats ...? |
| 13:24.26 | oxygen | just ftp .. |
| 13:24.36 | azeem | oxygen: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:24.48 | oggis_ | why do you suffix everything with stops? |
| 13:24.49 | azeem | do you want to setup an ftp server? |
| 13:25.02 | ricky_clarkson | oxygen: FTP servers normally use normal user accounts. You can disable an account from normal logins by using chsh. |
| 13:25.04 | oxygen | azeem: no i setuped vsftp |
| 13:25.14 | oxygen | but i want to add new ftp user .. |
| 13:25.19 | stew | Zvpun: i know one of the things that went into the .21 release was new postinst scripts for x11-common but i don't know if xserver-xorg's were touched, i haven't upgraded yet, i won't be able to until sunday |
| 13:25.25 | azeem | oxygen: for what? |
| 13:25.31 | oxygen | vsftpd |
| 13:25.33 | oxygen | for .. |
| 13:25.40 | azeem | no, what do you want to *do*? |
| 13:25.40 | oxygen | ftp user account .. |
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| 13:25.48 | oggis_ | then just adduser something and chsh -s /bin/false something |
| 13:25.54 | Zvpun | stew: ok. |
| 13:25.58 | oxygen | i want to create new account .. |
| 13:25.59 | ricky_clarkson | azeem: Set up an account that can be used for ftp uploads and downloads, it seems. |
| 13:26.07 | oxygen | but it is just ftp permisson |
| 13:26.12 | roe | gullible, cat /proc/mdstat |
| 13:26.12 | roe | Personalities : [raid1] |
| 13:26.12 | roe | unused devices: <none> |
| 13:26.17 | Zvpun | stew: I dont understand why it thinks that /etc/X11/X is changed though. I think that may be important |
| 13:26.31 | gullible | roe: does it say its building? |
| 13:26.44 | gullible | roe: paste the whole lot to #flood |
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| 13:27.04 | stew | Zvpun: yes. it sounds like a bug, you should probably reportbug |
| 13:27.08 | oxygen | help me pls .. |
| 13:27.27 | gullible | !help |
| 13:27.29 | stew | Zvpun: or actually check the bts, good chance it has been filed already |
| 13:27.34 | Zvpun | I |
| 13:27.38 | Zvpun | fucking keyboard |
| 13:27.42 | Zvpun | I'll check the bts |
| 13:27.50 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Maybe apt-get --purge remove some X package or other will help, but yes, bts is a good idea. |
| 13:28.04 | roe | gullible, its there, there isn't that much |
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| 13:30.23 | jumperz | is there a deb package of webmin? |
| 13:30.29 | gullible | roe: its madadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:30.54 | unstable | !tell jumperz about webmin |
| 13:32.01 | jumperz | ty |
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| 13:34.41 | gullible | !annoy bob2 |
| 13:34.41 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:34.57 | ricky_clarkson | hehe. |
| 13:35.01 | ricky_clarkson | Difficult to annoy him now. |
| 13:35.11 | gullible | what happened to him? |
| 13:35.17 | petemc | he bounced |
| 13:35.24 | petemc | bigger fish to fry |
| 13:35.27 | ricky_clarkson | I think he works for whoever makes Ubuntu. |
| 13:35.47 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 13:35.48 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:36.18 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: and that's bigger fish? |
| 13:36.26 | tarzeau | bigger fish smell worse |
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| 13:36.49 | ricky_clarkson | tarzeau: I didn't mention fish. |
| 13:37.04 | tarzeau | ricky_clarkson: sorry, i meant petemc |
| 13:37.15 | petemc | its a turn of phrase |
| 13:37.19 | ricky_clarkson | How can you confuse us? I have a really long nick. |
| 13:37.20 | petemc | as im sure you know.. |
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| 13:38.49 | gullible | a really long ... nick. |
| 13:38.59 | dino__ | what is the package name for Xfonts? i can't run kdm coz i missed some xfonts files |
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| 13:39.18 | tmjb | hello does any know compiled native i386 debian kernel 2.6 with openswan.patch+imq+patch-o-matic+ip2pp+layer7-filter tnx |
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| 13:39.37 | tmjb | for sarge |
| 13:40.04 | Zvpun | stew, ricky_clarkson: what is /etc/X11/X used for, can I delete it? |
| 13:40.29 | stew | Zvpun: its the xserver |
| 13:41.12 | frodo_ | df |
| 13:41.16 | frodo_ | Oops |
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| 13:41.34 | frodo_ | wrong keyboard |
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| 13:41.41 | dino__ | what is the package name for Xfonts? i can't run kdm coz i missed some xfonts files what is the xfonts package name? |
| 13:41.57 | dura | apt-cache search xfonts |less |
| 13:42.03 | dura | as root or using sudo |
| 13:42.06 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Ah, shit, X is usually a symlink, that's probably related. |
| 13:42.09 | dino__ | ok |
| 13:42.31 | dura | I've had that happen... |
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| 13:42.43 | dura | If you don't apt-get the right X paxkages stuff is missing. |
| 13:42.47 | Zvpun | stew, ricky_clarkson: in the md5sum files the second colum is the filename but it is - if it comes from stdin is that ok? |
| 13:43.10 | stew | Zvpun: yeah, filenames are ignored for md5 comparison |
| 13:43.17 | stew | Zvpun: at least should be ignored |
| 13:43.18 | stoned | stew, may I msg you again? |
| 13:43.27 | SataSupport | Hello i`m trying to install debian sarge on server machine with 2 hard disk Sata Hitachi |
| 13:43.36 | Zvpun | stew: I am on line 1753 in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst |
| 13:43.39 | SataSupport | but it seems that kernel does not supports sata drivers |
| 13:43.45 | Zvpun | stew: I dont know if it is ignored there |
| 13:43.55 | SataSupport | what to do next ... |
| 13:44.00 | SataSupport | thank you in advance |
| 13:44.09 | dura | enable the proper support in the kernel |
| 13:44.36 | SataSupport | dura when i boot Debian sarge install disk |
| 13:44.43 | SataSupport | i use linux26 |
| 13:44.45 | dura | ohh sorry |
| 13:44.47 | dino__ | apt-cache search xfonts |less , less isn't working |
| 13:44.56 | dura | remove the s from xfonts |
| 13:45.04 | ricky_clarkson | dino__: isn't working how? |
| 13:45.08 | dura | apt-cache search xfont |
| 13:45.13 | dura | Andon, have you done apt-get update? |
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| 13:45.41 | dino__ | it says like |less is wrong command |
| 13:45.53 | dura | heh |
| 13:45.56 | dura | apt-get install less |
| 13:46.00 | dino__ | xfonts shows too much files |
| 13:46.11 | dura | That's what the less is for... so you can read it all |
| 13:46.20 | dino__ | ok |
| 13:46.32 | dura | I did too |
| 13:46.48 | dura | dino__, Was this a netinstall? |
| 13:46.59 | dino__ | dura: yes |
| 13:47.04 | dura | that's why |
| 13:47.15 | dura | (there is no less) |
| 13:47.17 | ricky_clarkson | I installed sarge from ISO 1 recently and think I experienced the same, don't think it's because of netinstall. |
| 13:47.23 | dura | You can try apt-cache search xfont |more |
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| 13:47.42 | dura | ricky_clarkson, Maybe not... I just know the last netinst I did didn't include less. |
| 13:47.46 | dura | I only do netinst's lol |
| 13:47.56 | dino__ | dura: do i need to install all the xfonts files? i found in |more or |less? |
| 13:48.19 | dura | Let me look... |
| 13:48.20 | ricky_clarkson | dura: I had kernel reasons for using iso 1, iirc. |
| 13:48.28 | dura | ricky_clarkson, Yeah... that too |
| 13:48.59 | dura | dino__, I see a bunch of Xfont pacages. |
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| 13:49.08 | dino__ | yep |
| 13:49.15 | dura | I'd install xfonts-100dbi and xfonts-75dbi |
| 13:49.20 | dura | and xfonts-utils |
| 13:49.28 | dino__ | allright |
| 13:49.32 | dura | maybe xfontsel too |
| 13:49.44 | stew | xfonts-base for sure |
| 13:49.45 | dura | Anyway.. I gotta go... j*b interview. |
| 13:49.57 | dura | Yes.. my bad |
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| 13:50.01 | dino__ | good luck |
| 13:50.02 | dura | l8r |
| 13:50.09 | SataSupport | Hello i`m trying to install debian sarge on server machine with 2 hard disk Sata Hitachi |
| 13:50.11 | Zvpun | stew, ricky_clarkson: it is likely that I destroyed the md5sums while trying to fix it. |
| 13:50.15 | SataSupport | but it seems that kernel does not supports sata drivers |
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| 13:50.19 | SataSupport | what to do next ... |
| 13:50.49 | gullible | SataSupport: find out which kernel supports your sata chip |
| 13:50.50 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: I've already given you a solution. |
| 13:51.22 | Zvpun | ricky_clarkson: purging packages? but which packages? |
| 13:51.40 | ricky_clarkson | My guess is xserver-xorg but it'll probably turn out to be a metapackage. |
| 13:52.09 | SataSupport | gullible in the sarce install disk |
| 13:52.12 | sep | SataSupport, the linux kernel 2.6.8 supports some of the oldest sata chipset, but not many of the chipsets released after linux kernel was released (obviously duh) so you can either. use a custom 2.6.15 sarge installer. do a chroot installer from a livecd. set your sata in lagacy mode in bios and install that way. install on a pata device and move over afterwards... take your pick |
| 13:53.05 | gullible | SataSupport: well, it doesnt look like the sarge one supports it. your bios may have legacy pata support maybe that will work |
| 13:53.32 | SataSupport | gullible i`ll try |
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| 13:54.26 | stew | Zvpun: ricky_clarkson: no xserver-xorg is the package to purge if you wanna get your xorg.conf (you can be sure of this since dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg controls it) |
| 13:54.55 | stew | Zvpun: you could try "dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg" |
| 13:54.57 | ricky_clarkson | stew: I thought that after I typed it. ;) |
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| 13:57.15 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 13:57.32 | stoned | !tell stew about keytouch |
| 13:58.16 | DevilChaos | !keytouch |
| 13:58.16 | dpkg | [keytouch] a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
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| 14:00.37 | signuts | Is there a way to list "top level packages" ones that were installed \ |
| 14:00.45 | signuts | but don't list deps |
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| 14:04.02 | Zvpun | stew, ricky_clarkson: the purge did help me create the xorg.conf file. I am kinda happy now even though I am totaly confused |
| 14:04.40 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: Welcome to Linux. |
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| 14:05.37 | loradeusa | where can help |
| 14:05.52 | ricky_clarkson | loradeusa: Ask the rest of your question. |
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| 14:06.19 | stew | Zvpun: you are confused about why the purge worked or why the other didn't? |
| 14:06.38 | loradeusa | Ricky do you know PRAAT? |
| 14:07.19 | loradeusa | do you knoy prrat? |
| 14:07.25 | loradeusa | praat? |
| 14:07.26 | Zvpun | stew: I did change some md5sums and stuff I lost track. The purge worked but a dpkg-reconfiger does not work and it does not complaining about a md5sum being wrong. |
| 14:07.44 | Zvpun | stew: so I have to purge it to change my configuration. |
| 14:08.09 | gullible | Zvpun: try just removing the file. |
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| 14:08.39 | loradeusa | ricky_clarkson: do you know praat? |
| 14:09.02 | gullible | !praat |
| 14:09.08 | gullible | ?? |
| 14:09.09 | loradeusa | speach voice? |
| 14:09.27 | ricky_clarkson | loradeusa: No. I know some pratts though, and you appear to be trying to join them. |
| 14:09.28 | gullible | never heard of it. |
| 14:09.31 | ricky_clarkson | prats. |
| 14:09.33 | loradeusa | software of speach voce? |
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| 14:09.55 | Zvpun | gullible: doesnt work. The only way for me to get a xorg.conf at the moment is purge and reinstall. I am giving up to get dpkg-reconfigure to work |
| 14:10.11 | gullible | Zvpun: bugger |
| 14:10.42 | stew | Zvpun: you should check the bts and reportbug if this hasn't yet been reported |
| 14:10.49 | Zvpun | gullible: I think it is good that I dont know what bugger means |
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| 14:11.05 | ricky_clarkson | Hehe. |
| 14:11.12 | ricky_clarkson | In that context it is like 'damn'. |
| 14:11.23 | ricky_clarkson | In others, you are correct. ;) |
| 14:11.34 | Zvpun | stew: yes but of what use is a bugreport of a confused guy. I cant say anything helpful except it doesn |
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| 14:11.43 | Zvpun | stew: doesn't cange xorg.conf |
| 14:12.18 | stew | Zvpun: its better to report and have the maintainer close it than have the maintainer not know there is a potential problem |
| 14:12.27 | Zvpun | stew: ok, so I will reportbug |
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| 14:12.55 | stew | Zvpun: make sure it hasn't already been reported. if it has, there might even be a workaround attached |
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| 14:14.07 | romgo | bonjour |
| 14:14.16 | ricky_clarkson | Zvpun: If you think it's useless maybe email the maintainer directly. If you kept a copy of the files in /etc/X11, even better. |
| 14:14.22 | gullible | hola |
| 14:14.32 | loradeusa | ricky_clarkson: this PRAAt is a program of analysis acoustics for voice, a directed software to analyze the voice or any sound. |
| 14:14.46 | ricky_clarkson | loradeusa: I see. Why did you ask me particularly? |
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| 14:16.41 | loradeusa | I am trying asking for I help any person, I forgive me if I was particular, but then as I make p to ask for helps all? |
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| 14:17.28 | gullible | loradeusa: whats your native language |
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| 15:48.27 | Rebecca | streuner: incorrect |
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| 15:48.35 | dendrite | guevolt: http://www.eeggs.com/items/43172.html |
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| 15:48.47 | Rebecca | it fails to actually load the kernel, lol |
| 15:48.50 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: what could a broken BIOS have to do with this? That's what I don't understand |
| 15:48.52 | guevolt | liable: hehe. cool |
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| 15:49.20 | Rebecca | ram_einstein: that's an error message.. not a fact.. |
| 15:49.24 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: As long as it's the correct architecture, and the hardware is sane, it should load |
| 15:49.36 | streuner | Rebecca: what kind of magic do you think, fedora or/and ipcop uses to boot the kernel at all? |
| 15:49.37 | Mitja | Is anyone running KDE higher than 3.3.2 on your debian distro? |
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| 15:49.49 | azeem | Mitja: please ask specific questions |
| 15:49.50 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: Right. But the error message is obviously trying to tell you something |
| 15:50.00 | unstable | !tell Mitja about anyone |
| 15:50.02 | liable | guevolt: now aptitude moo, then -v moo and so on |
| 15:50.06 | unstable | !tell Mitja about ask |
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| 15:50.16 | DevilChaos | bbl got problems with wireless mouse needs charged up properly |
| 15:50.21 | Rebecca | streuner: if you believe in magic i doubt you can be much help to me :) |
| 15:50.26 | ram_einstein | unstable: you've got problems with dpkg |
| 15:50.28 | Mitja | azeem, I want to know how to install higher version of KDE although it doesn't appear in the sources |
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| 15:50.40 | azeem | Mitja: why? |
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| 15:50.51 | Mitja | forget it |
| 15:50.59 | ram_einstein | Mitja: stable, testing or unstable? |
| 15:51.06 | streuner | Rebecca: right, so if didn't change the BIOS and grub or lilo do there work fine in debian, so it would be magic then, right? ;-) |
| 15:51.16 | Mitja | ram_einstein, mostly stable |
| 15:51.20 | streuner | Rebecca: you* |
| 15:51.21 | Mitja | bits of testing |
| 15:51.23 | azeem | Mitja: you can have a look at backborts.org |
| 15:51.25 | cahoot | Rebecca: maybe this can be of use? http://www.sbellon.de/cl6000.html |
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| 15:51.28 | azeem | eh, backports.org |
| 15:51.41 | thingfish | heh |
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| 15:52.14 | ram_einstein | Mitja: you can find newer versions in testing imho |
| 15:52.24 | Rebecca | streuner: no. just different versions of things.... please bear in mind.. im not looking for uninformed reactive speculation.. i was asking if anyone here had experience with this particular error.. telling me it should work does not help |
| 15:52.31 | ram_einstein | switch to testing altogether if you like, you'll get newer stuff |
| 15:52.58 | guevolt | what is this? super cow powers... |
| 15:53.05 | Tassium | Rebecca: You're not looking for uninformed reactive speculation, and you came to *IRC*??? *snickersnortgigglecough* |
| 15:53.06 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: we understand. We're suggesting that it might actually be your machine specific broken hardware |
| 15:53.16 | streuner | Rebecca: we didn't speculatet, we told you some solutions (different kernels) |
| 15:53.46 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: because hardware manufacturers aren't starking mad |
| 15:53.49 | Rebecca | cahoot: thanks |
| 15:54.07 | liable | guevolt: if you dont get it, then dont worry about it. its a joke |
| 15:54.11 | ram_einstein | I wish I had a complete explanation to what's happening. Unfortuanately, I don't |
| 15:54.22 | Rebecca | do stable and testing netinstalls contain different kernels? |
| 15:54.27 | guevolt | liable: aah. hehe. |
| 15:54.33 | streuner | Rebecca: yes |
| 15:54.36 | omry | hi, trying to play a midi file on sblive (using alsa), but I get no sound. any pointers? |
| 15:54.38 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: I think so, yes |
| 15:54.52 | Rebecca | ok |
| 15:54.53 | ram_einstein | omry: using timidity++? |
| 15:54.57 | Tassium | omry: Does other sound work aside from playing MIDI? |
| 15:55.02 | streuner | Rebecca: stable uses 2.6.8 and 2.4.17, etch 2.6.12 and beta etch 2.6.15 or 2.6.16 |
| 15:55.09 | omry | ram_einstein, kmid. |
| 15:55.13 | omry | Tassium, yes. |
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| 15:55.35 | asperon | anybody any good with modelines? i am trying to get my cle266 based chip to run my samsung le40m61b in 1360x768 under xfree86 to no avail |
| 15:55.35 | ram_einstein | omry: maybe it isn't emulating a midi on the sound card? try timidity++ |
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| 15:55.42 | asperon | any pointers are welcome |
| 15:55.52 | ram_einstein | omry: your modern soundcard might not natively support midi |
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| 15:56.09 | ram_einstein | that's why I'm trying to point you to a midi-emulation |
| 15:56.12 | omry | ram_, its sblive audigy, I am pretty certain it supports midi. |
| 15:56.21 | omry | ram_einstein, that is. |
| 15:56.21 | frodo_ | Does mysqlaadmin come with the standard mysql-server? |
| 15:56.24 | Fallen^Angel | hi, does anybody know how to solve the problem with pycentral in unstable? |
| 15:56.31 | asperon | frodo_: yes |
| 15:56.35 | unstable | lol |
| 15:56.41 | ram_einstein | omry: nah, it's too modern. Mine doesn't either. |
| 15:56.44 | cahoot | omry: try here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1 |
| 15:56.44 | unstable | I wonder how many people are going to ask how to fix python in unstable |
| 15:56.48 | frodo_ | I installed the sql server but it did not install mysqladmin. |
| 15:56.48 | Tassium | frodo_: I think mysqladmin comes in the mysql-client package |
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| 15:57.12 | Fallen^Angel | unstable, you are so cruel... |
| 15:57.13 | asperon | Tassium might be right, i guess i always installed the bundle |
| 15:57.18 | ram_einstein | omry: get a nice old soundcard, I can guarantee your midi will work fine :) |
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| 15:57.23 | streuner | Rebecca: so what kernel did you use in order to try to install debian? |
| 15:57.26 | frodo_ | I got it |
| 15:57.29 | frodo_ | ty |
| 15:57.29 | omry | ram_einstein, :) |
| 15:57.33 | zimnyx | I got one WLAN connection configured (working). How do i list all available wlan networks?> |
| 15:57.51 | amphi | zimnyx: iwlist <iface> scan |
| 15:57.54 | ram_einstein | omry: for now, try timidity++ |
| 15:58.20 | cahoot | ram_einstein: why not try to solve the problem instead of doing a workaround? |
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| 15:58.39 | zimnyx | amphi: thanks |
| 15:58.44 | Fallen^Angel | unstable, do you kwnow how to fix it? |
| 15:58.44 | ram_einstein | cahoot: because solving it is impossible. He'd have to change his hardware |
| 15:59.07 | ram_einstein | cahoot: he's looking for a midi device on his modern soundcard |
| 15:59.12 | Rebecca | streuner: tried debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso and debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 15:59.21 | Rebecca | both had the identical issue |
| 15:59.24 | ram_einstein | that's like looking for a cow in a refrigerator |
| 15:59.24 | cahoot | ram_einstein: an audigy wouldn't support it? |
| 15:59.39 | ram_einstein | cahoot: I don't know, I don't think so |
| 15:59.46 | ram_einstein | mine doesn't and it's pretty modern |
| 15:59.55 | cahoot | ram_einstein: I firmly believe you are wrong |
| 15:59.58 | streuner | Rebecca: did you use 2.4.x kernels or 2.6.x kernels? |
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| 16:00.31 | liran_ | if i put a xorg.conf file in my ~/ dir and run startx from there wil it use the global /etc/X11/xorg.conf or the one which is there on my home dir? |
| 16:00.54 | omry | ram_einstein, installed the packacg, when I run timidity I get "/etc/timidity/freepats.cfg: No such file or directory" |
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| 16:01.11 | roe | how would one continuously cat something to the screen? |
| 16:01.12 | cahoot | omry: did you try here: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=emu10k1 |
| 16:01.20 | ram_einstein | omry: then create one |
| 16:01.21 | roe | I want my terminal to update me on cat /proc/mdstat so I can track its progrss |
| 16:01.22 | Tassium | roe: I think you're looking for tail -f |
| 16:01.24 | ram_einstein | :) |
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| 16:01.59 | ram_einstein | omry: bin' a while since I used it. So just read the manpage and find out how to create that config file |
| 16:02.00 | roe | Tassium, nope that didn't work |
| 16:02.00 | omry | cahoot, had a look, but it seem complex, I will try the midi emulation option first. |
| 16:02.19 | Tassium | roe: What did you try, exactly? |
| 16:02.25 | liable | liran_: not sure, i am to lazy to read through it, but man xsession |
| 16:02.32 | roe | tail -f /proc/mdstat |
| 16:02.35 | ram_einstein | omry: wait a sec, do you have freepats installed? |
| 16:02.41 | roe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.43 | ram_einstein | I thought dbian will create a nice config for you |
| 16:02.45 | roe | both |
| 16:02.47 | Rebecca | streuner: i think i might have found the reason and a work around |
| 16:03.02 | omry | ram_einstein, freepats? |
| 16:03.09 | streuner | Rebecca: well, do you care to tell us? |
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| 16:03.13 | ram_einstein | omry: yes, aptitude show freepats |
| 16:03.20 | ram_einstein | it's a dependency |
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| 16:03.35 | ram_einstein | omry: if you installed with aptitude, you should have that installed and set up too |
| 16:03.43 | roe | Tassium, the file isn't growing its just constantly changing |
| 16:03.44 | ram_einstein | I'm wondering why the thing is missing |
| 16:03.45 | omry | ram_einstein, it didn't. |
| 16:03.48 | omry | installing it now. |
| 16:03.52 | ram_einstein | OMG |
| 16:03.59 | ram_einstein | omry: always use aptitude to install |
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| 16:04.04 | Tassium | roe: Ah. Then you'll probably need to script up something yourself |
| 16:04.26 | Rebecca | streuner: http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=32&threadid=54498 |
| 16:04.30 | Rebecca | streuner: trying it now |
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| 16:04.44 | omry | ram_einstein, apt-get works fine. |
| 16:04.47 | DevilChaos | power:/home/devil# totem & |
| 16:04.48 | DevilChaos | [2] 12962 |
| 16:04.48 | DevilChaos | power:/home/devil# |
| 16:04.48 | DevilChaos | (totem:12962): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
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| 16:04.57 | ram_einstein | omry: yeah, that too |
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| 16:05.19 | rhys | does anyone know why my noip update client updates the internal ip and\ not the external? |
| 16:05.36 | ktwilight | rhys, it takes time to update, afaik. |
| 16:05.43 | rhys | no, it updates allright |
| 16:05.44 | liable | rhys: is that for like a dyndns sorta thing? |
| 16:05.51 | rhys | yea, dyndns |
| 16:05.59 | rhys | it sets it, to the internal ip |
| 16:06.05 | rhys | 192.168.blahbalh |
| 16:06.09 | rhys | not the external |
| 16:06.11 | USmarine | rhys, apt-get install ddclient |
| 16:06.16 | liable | rhys: dunno about that one, but ddclient needs use=web in conf |
| 16:06.28 | Rebecca | streuner: im trying to boot the system up with a cdrom and a IDE-CF drive(which probably does not get recognised as a normal hdd). as i want to install deb on the CF drive and not a regular hdd |
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| 16:06.33 | rhys | no, this is for noip. no dyndns...so it uses a differnet one. |
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| 16:07.02 | USmarine | i believe it might work for noip as well |
| 16:07.04 | ram_einstein | my framebufffer device doesn't seem to work properly. fbi displays exactly half of each image. The other half is swallowed by the right side of my screen. And w3m-img doesn't seem to render images inline in w3m. Any ideas? |
| 16:07.09 | USmarine | havent tested yet |
| 16:07.17 | rhys | ddclient? |
| 16:07.28 | USmarine | yes |
| 16:07.28 | DevilChaos | take it i got booted sorry for that |
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| 16:07.30 | liable | yeah |
| 16:07.39 | rhys | kk then. ill try that |
| 16:07.40 | rhys | ty |
| 16:07.46 | DevilChaos | ill go to pastebin |
| 16:07.47 | streuner | Rebecca: well, you can always just boot from floppies and use the CDROM |
| 16:07.54 | faber3 | whats a sans-serif font which the standard debian gnome provides? |
| 16:07.57 | omry | ram_einstein, now it works, thanks. |
| 16:08.12 | Rebecca | streuner: heh. if i had a floppy drive/disks |
| 16:08.13 | ram_einstein | omry: you're welcome :) |
| 16:08.53 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: Just wanted to know where you're issue is heading |
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| 16:09.41 | liable | Rebecca: havent tried noapic and that sorta stuff? |
| 16:09.56 | ram_einstein | why is gpm support stripped off when using jfbterm? |
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| 16:10.47 | ram_einstein | liable: Good idea. Some kernel parameters might do the job |
| 16:10.48 | Rebecca | liable: the error occurs before i get to the point where i can define params to pass to the kernel |
| 16:11.07 | liable | Rebecca: oh, so the cd doesnt even boot at all? |
| 16:11.19 | Rebecca | it tries |
| 16:11.43 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: you should specify the kernel params on the command line before a kernel is booted |
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| 16:12.26 | liable | good one |
| 16:13.04 | dooglus | I was just using debian when the mouse started responding slowly, then locked up all together, along with the keyboard and the display. all my swap got used. is there any way to tell which process was doing it? |
| 16:13.14 | DevilChaos | http://pastebin.com/713207 |
| 16:13.29 | Rebecca | ram_einstein: there is no commandline. it fails before the kernel even loads..... as i mentioned earlier |
| 16:13.32 | dooglus | nothing like control-alt-backspace or control-alt-f1 would work, so I did a hard reset |
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| 16:13.46 | vaq^ | http://pastebin.ca/66214 - The clients web traffic ain't getting forwarded to the squid proxy with those rules? How come? |
| 16:14.00 | DevilChaos | and also can i put esd into /etc/modules for it to work from startup for audio? |
| 16:14.22 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: hmm.. you don't get the splash where it asks you to hit [Enter] to boot? |
| 16:14.25 | liable | esd isnt a module |
| 16:14.32 | ram_einstein | that splash isn't even a full blown kernel |
| 16:14.32 | liable | its a daemon |
| 16:14.37 | ram_einstein | it's just a stub |
| 16:14.40 | DevilChaos | yup yup |
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| 16:14.56 | DevilChaos | how can i get it to run on startup then? |
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| 16:15.22 | liable | DevilChaos: if its installed, it normally does. i guess it starts from init |
| 16:15.26 | unstable | !tell DevilChaos abou tstartup |
| 16:15.31 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: if that is that case, then it's the stub that's causing the problem. You should then forget the CD and install it by hand, like rom another system |
| 16:15.32 | unstable | !tell DevilChaos about startup |
| 16:15.46 | frodo_ | How can I change the ip address that mysql is bind to? |
| 16:16.08 | ram_einstein | !tell DevilChaos -about startup |
| 16:16.21 | DevilChaos | cool |
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| 16:16.39 | Rebecca | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:17.20 | frodo_ | !telll frodo about startup |
| 16:17.32 | azeem | frodo_: please /msg the bot |
| 16:17.37 | Tassium | frodo_: /msg dpkg tell me about startup |
| 16:17.44 | frodo_ | I can not find it |
| 16:18.12 | vaq^ | Hm |
| 16:18.27 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: I think there's a platform independent binary apt available somewhere. Just install it, change root, install whatever packages you want including the kernel (part of basesystem) and you should be good to go |
| 16:18.27 | liable | frodo_: find what? it will be in a new window. (the /msg) |
| 16:18.44 | azeem | ram_einstein: platform independent binary? |
| 16:18.48 | frodo_ | I need to change the bind to mysq; from 127.0.0.1 to 0:0:0:0 |
| 16:19.04 | ram_einstein | azeem: I meant as long as it's running linux :P |
| 16:19.16 | ram_einstein | like a static |
| 16:19.25 | ram_einstein | without dependencies on the host system |
| 16:19.30 | oggis_ | eh, that's not platform-independence |
| 16:19.38 | azeem | that's statically compiled |
| 16:19.41 | ram_einstein | oggis_: yes, I know, I made a mistake |
| 16:19.42 | frodo_ | Me? |
| 16:19.46 | ram_einstein | azeem: Right. |
| 16:20.17 | ram_einstein | how do you change the root in apt? |
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| 16:20.24 | azeem | ram_einstein: you shouldn't |
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| 16:20.40 | halux | hi all, someone knows where to set primary_hostname for debian exim4 ? |
| 16:20.40 | ram_einstein | azeem: what if you want to install another system? |
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| 16:21.05 | stew | ram_einstein: use debootstrap to install base, then chroot to it and use apt-get normally |
| 16:21.20 | liable | frodo_: have you even looked in /etc/mysql directory? |
| 16:21.28 | ram_einstein | stew: nice, you have a tool for that |
| 16:21.39 | azeem | tool for what? |
| 16:21.44 | stew | ram_einstein: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 16:21.44 | DevilChaos | unstable : I dont know how to wrie scripts |
| 16:21.50 | ram_einstein | creating the basesystem |
| 16:21.52 | frodo_ | The localhosts in the /etc/mysql/my.conf is that used for the mysql deamon login or to bind the port? |
| 16:22.03 | roob | Question: I frequently find myself pressing the left key on a bash shell to edit a command. E.g. I need to add "sudo" to the beginning a line. Is there any way to jump to the start of a line in a bash shell, instead of pressing the left key until I get there? |
| 16:22.11 | ram_einstein | stew: after a chroot, it's elementry |
| 16:22.12 | ricky_clarkson | debootstrap works really well, I like it. |
| 16:22.19 | azeem | roob: ^a |
| 16:22.22 | liable | frodo_: the bind_address line |
| 16:22.28 | frodo_ | ty |
| 16:22.30 | azeem | roob: or home |
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| 16:22.42 | stew | !debootstrap is also see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 16:22.42 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 16:22.44 | roob | azeem: cool, and to the end of the line? Is there any documentation for that? Thanks alot |
| 16:22.48 | azeem | ^e |
| 16:22.48 | Tassium | Oooh, control-a doesn't work for me.. Darn screen. |
| 16:23.03 | azeem | roob: check bash's manpage and/or the libreadline documentation |
| 16:23.15 | azeem | Tassium: ^a a |
| 16:23.21 | Tassium | roob: And definitely remember control-u |
| 16:23.26 | ram_einstein | stew: you just added that link to dpkg's documentation for debootstrap? neat |
| 16:23.26 | roob | azeem: thanks a bunch |
| 16:23.35 | Tassium | azeem: Sweet, thanks kindly |
| 16:24.06 | roob | Tassium: haha thanks for ctrl U, I just killed my line :D but can be helpful. I always did ctrl-c for those cases |
| 16:24.34 | Tassium | roob: Yeah, and ^k is delete from cursor to EOL. Can be useful. |
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| 16:24.35 | frodo_ | That broke it |
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| 16:24.50 | stew | ctrl-u is good for "i started typing my password wrong and I want to start over" |
| 16:24.50 | roob | Tassium: ok thanks alot |
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| 16:25.17 | Tassium | stew: I also like ^u for when I've scrolled back through my bash history and just want out |
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| 16:26.36 | bartm | so quiet - seems to be the right time to paste a book :) |
| 16:26.39 | vaq^ | http://pastebin.ca/66214 - The clients web traffic ain't getting forwarded to the squid proxy with those rules? How come? |
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| 16:26.45 | frodo_ | It will not let me put in 192.168.0.5 |
| 16:27.03 | nngg | Hello, I'm using the Etch version of Debian, and it seems to have problems when switching from X to the console and back; when I'm back to X I can use the mouse but everything seems frozen. The only thing I can do at that point is shut down the X server. Is this a known problem? Moreover, I don't know why it does happen only once in a while and it seems to be random ... |
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| 16:27.35 | ram_einstein | stew: will the "base system" defined by deboootstrap also include a nice kernel? |
| 16:27.48 | Tassium | nngg: I'd suggest not switching to the console and back - use an xterm or other console app |
| 16:27.48 | liable | frodo_: ah, you need to comment that line |
| 16:27.49 | bartm | nngg: I remember that I have had that problem too, but I can't reproduce it, and I have not yet looked whether there's already a bug reported for this |
| 16:27.50 | stew | ram_einstein: no, it doesn't include a kernel, you can apt-get one after you chroot |
| 16:28.04 | liable | frodo_: and it listens on all connections |
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| 16:28.24 | frodo_ | ok |
| 16:28.24 | ram_einstein | stew: Right. I was just wondering because it wouldn't know your architecture |
| 16:28.25 | Rebecca | ram_einstein: hehe. that sounds like quite a pain. but thanks for the suggestion :) |
| 16:28.32 | nngg | Tassium: I like to use the console all the time, but some programs require X, you know. |
| 16:28.37 | ram_einstein | Rebecca: sure |
| 16:28.40 | ram_einstein | it's the same thing |
| 16:28.45 | nngg | Tassium: I really prefer ttys to an xterm :) |
| 16:28.46 | stew | ram_einstein: well it would. but that's not why. its not included becuase chroots that you never boot into but ones that you only chroot into are very useful and need no kernel |
| 16:28.50 | frodo_ | Its bind to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 16:29.14 | Serinity | Hi everyone, i got a problem here with the sound on this computer I can't figure out, when using alsamixer i pump up the sound, i hear in the speakers the volume changes because of the "windy sound" but if i do something like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp or so (i installed alsa-oss) i get nothing... any idea where i could have a look ?) |
| 16:29.55 | ram_einstein | stew: Right. I also forgot debian is binary-based, which means the rest of the base system should also be architechture specific |
| 16:29.56 | Serinity | ... re-running alsaconf just in case... |
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| 16:30.09 | stew | Serinity: try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" then try it again |
| 16:30.13 | liable | Serinity: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 16:30.22 | liable | haha |
| 16:30.23 | frodo_ | I comment out that line in the debian.cnf |
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| 16:30.27 | liable | !lose me |
| 16:30.27 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 16:30.27 | bartm | ricky_clarkson: :) |
| 16:30.37 | Serinity | lemme see |
| 16:30.38 | opnsrc | Does clamam or any other free antivirus have a memory resident scanner |
| 16:30.44 | ram_einstein | Later. |
| 16:30.47 | opnsrc | that can scan files on the fly when you run them |
| 16:30.55 | Serinity | snd_pcm_oss is loaded yes |
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| 16:31.02 | opnsrc | Kinda like how many windows antiviruses have that |
| 16:31.21 | frodo_ | I got it |
| 16:31.40 | Serinity | liable, stew, yes, it's loaded |
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| 16:32.03 | liable | Serinity: is anything else got hold of dsp? lsof /dev/dsp |
| 16:32.28 | liable | !moo |
| 16:32.29 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:32.43 | stew | ram_einstein: and if you want a different arch you can tell debootstrap on the command line |
| 16:32.48 | opnsrc | what the heck is apt-get moo |
| 16:32.56 | liable | opnsrc: try it |
| 16:32.58 | opnsrc | what is moo |
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| 16:33.07 | liable | it what cows do |
| 16:33.09 | Serinity | liable, No, nothing |
| 16:33.12 | opnsrc | I know that |
| 16:33.14 | liable | s/it/its/ |
| 16:33.19 | liable | opnsrc: type it! |
| 16:33.26 | opnsrc | anywho, does anyone know of an on the fly virus scanner? |
| 16:33.32 | opnsrc | well I'm still doing the apt-get update |
| 16:34.01 | liable | Serinity: hrm, are you in audio group? |
| 16:34.05 | opnsrc | uhm... apparently, according to synaptic, there is no program called "moo" |
| 16:34.07 | Serinity | Yes, I am |
| 16:34.17 | stew | opnsrc: not apt-get install moo ; apt-get moo |
| 16:34.24 | stew | opnsrc: clamav is a good virus scanner |
| 16:34.30 | opnsrc | oh it's a figure of a cow |
| 16:34.31 | liable | Serinity: did you just add yourself? |
| 16:34.42 | opnsrc | Stevie, but how do I get something that can do an on the fly virus scan |
| 16:34.49 | opnsrc | or how do I configure clamav to do that? |
| 16:34.52 | ricky_clarkson | opnsrc: aptitude moo |
| 16:34.56 | stew | opnsrc: what do you mean by "on the fly"? |
| 16:35.10 | opnsrc | ok, you know how mcafee and norton scan your files automatically |
| 16:35.14 | stew | ricky_clarkson: and of course aptitude -v moo or aptitude -vv moo... |
| 16:35.22 | opnsrc | Like right when you double click them they're scanned before being ran |
| 16:35.22 | liable | meh aptitude easter eggs arent very good |
| 16:35.23 | stew | opnsrc: no, what do they do? |
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| 16:35.28 | opnsrc | they're in memory |
| 16:35.38 | peterS | liable: are you sure you found them all? |
| 16:35.43 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Very cool. |
| 16:35.45 | stew | opnsrc: you double click them and it scans what? |
| 16:35.45 | opnsrc | and they scan as you use your computer and nothing gets loaded into memory before being scanned |
| 16:35.46 | liable | peterS: the snake? |
| 16:35.53 | liable | peterS: theres more? |
| 16:35.57 | liable | tell me! |
| 16:36.03 | peterS | don't know about a snake. the cow powers are funny |
| 16:36.05 | vaq^ | http://pastebin.ca/66214 - The clients web traffic ain't getting forwarded to the squid proxy with those rules? How come? |
| 16:36.07 | opnsrc | memory resident virus scanners |
| 16:36.12 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Seems to give up about 6 in. |
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| 16:36.31 | stew | peterS: the snake is what you see when you keep adding v's to aptitude -v moo |
| 16:36.50 | stew | ricky_clarkson: its a "little prince" reference (the snake eating an elephant) iirc |
| 16:37.08 | peterS | ahh, I don't think I've read "the little prince" |
| 16:37.27 | Serinity | liable, no, i always was in this group, I even tryied to run cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp as root |
| 16:37.40 | Serinity | sorry, for delay, had phone call |
| 16:37.41 | liable | Serinity: strange |
| 16:37.42 | negros | which is very logical |
| 16:37.46 | Serinity | yes |
| 16:37.52 | Serinity | I never seen such an issue |
| 16:37.54 | ktwilight | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2854 |
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| 16:37.56 | ktwilight | oops |
| 16:37.58 | negros | i mean who wouldnt like to listen to his /dev/urandom device |
| 16:37.59 | stew | peterS: we had to read it in French class in HS |
| 16:38.03 | negros | endless joy |
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| 16:38.04 | ktwilight | wrong chan :/ |
| 16:38.15 | liable | Serinity: have you tried alsamixer |
| 16:38.18 | peterS | stew: of course. every french class in the world has to read it. but I think I managed not to have to, somehow. |
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| 16:38.25 | Serinity | negros, It's a good test to se if the sound works or if it's an app that sucks |
| 16:38.33 | Serinity | liable, yes, it's all set in alsamixed |
| 16:38.35 | liable | Serinity: some kernels on this box, if some channel arent muted, i dont get sound |
| 16:39.01 | negros | alsa is too complicated |
| 16:39.16 | Fser | shit ! |
| 16:39.20 | Serinity | liable, Okay, i'll check on this and mute everything i don't use |
| 16:39.39 | peterS | yeah, let's go shopping |
| 16:39.39 | Fser | I've juste hit echo '/dev/sdc /mnt/usb'>/etc/fstab |
| 16:39.43 | Fser | can I do somethink ? :s |
| 16:39.55 | Rebecca | cool. when i connect an old hdd it will boot. but if i swap for hdd for a cf2ide adapter it fails.. if i had another ide cable i could probably get this working.. damn. lol |
| 16:40.17 | liable | Fser: erm, that wont really do for an fstab entry |
| 16:40.28 | liable | Fser: man fstab |
| 16:40.33 | Fser | I know :p |
| 16:40.38 | Fser | but now my fstab is empty |
| 16:40.41 | Fser | here is my probleme |
| 16:40.44 | liable | haha |
| 16:40.49 | liable | doh! |
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| 16:40.59 | Fser | actually, the path was quiet longer, so I was scared not to remember |
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| 16:41.19 | Serinity | liable, Nah.... mutted all that's not used... |
| 16:41.20 | Rebecca | Fser: you wiped your fstab? |
| 16:41.21 | Serinity | Nothing |
| 16:41.31 | Fser | wiped ? |
| 16:41.31 | peterS | Rebecca: that he did, by using > instead of >> |
| 16:41.36 | Rebecca | aahhhhh |
| 16:41.41 | Fser | ... |
| 16:41.48 | liable | Serinity: bugger, i dont realy know what else to try |
| 16:41.59 | Fser | just gonna do it again, not to long :) |
| 16:42.00 | negros | what soundcard do you have |
| 16:42.13 | Fser | nforce and it doesnt work |
| 16:42.17 | Rebecca | always always cp /etc/foo.conf /etc/foo.conf.orig before you mess with things.. saves a lot of trouble |
| 16:42.22 | Fser | (i know you werent talking to me :)) |
| 16:42.34 | Fser | thanks rebecca ... :s |
| 16:42.37 | Rebecca | hehe |
| 16:42.48 | Serinity | the sound card is an ensoniq |
| 16:43.08 | negros | its visible in alsamixer then i presume ? |
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| 16:43.48 | liable | Fser: cat /etc/mtab should be a good start |
| 16:43.50 | Rebecca | i think ill attack this problem tomorrow.. nice to know their is a fix. i cant have my robot brain running anything other than debian :) |
| 16:43.51 | Serinity | yes |
| 16:43.56 | Serinity | it's detected and all |
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| 16:43.59 | ManiacMac | Anyone have any ideas why I can't seem to get Debian installed on a Sunblade 2000 workstation? |
| 16:44.01 | Serinity | it's an onboard |
| 16:44.12 | Raven007 | hello |
| 16:44.13 | ManiacMac | I keep getting a SILO Fast MMU Miss error |
| 16:44.16 | negros | so you i assume you can play mp3's etc |
| 16:44.20 | negros | but you cant hear sound |
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| 16:44.24 | Serinity | At some point a kid moved my station and it stopped working after this |
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| 16:44.30 | negros | check the cables |
| 16:44.32 | Serinity | i might have a look at the bios settings maybe |
| 16:44.38 | Serinity | cables are ok |
| 16:44.39 | negros | do you have digital speakers ? |
| 16:44.40 | liable | Serinity: check cables |
| 16:44.54 | negros | meaning spdif or optical connection |
| 16:44.54 | Serinity | I'm wondering if this prick wouldn't have disabled in bios |
| 16:45.01 | Fser | thanks liable |
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| 16:46.52 | GeorgeS069 | howdy folks |
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| 16:47.07 | liable | hello! |
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| 16:48.20 | Simon__ | hi all, is there a way to mount a remote sftp folder? |
| 16:48.32 | pardoes | ey erm is there also a roomk for sid/unstable or is this channel also for it? |
| 16:48.42 | liable | sshfs? |
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| 16:48.55 | pipeline | ManiacMac: Because it wants you to install Solaris, but it doesn't have the heart to tell you tiself. |
| 16:48.57 | Simon__ | liable: ty, will check it |
| 16:49.04 | ManiacMac | lol |
| 16:49.09 | Piet | pardoes: try here |
| 16:49.11 | pardoes | Simon_ I do it by gftp there is an option in it for sftp |
| 16:49.14 | liable | pardoes: this is it, though we may feel the need to lart you for running unstable :) |
| 16:49.18 | ManiacMac | well I have Sol10 on it, and I _HATE_ Sol |
| 16:49.30 | ManiacMac | I have a Sunfire v120 running deb |
| 16:49.42 | ManiacMac | and the site says that it supports the US-III |
| 16:49.47 | pardoes | lol oke just a question since sid/unstable is like they say.. erm...?? unstable?? |
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| 16:50.32 | Ronin | well its not called unstable for nothing |
| 16:50.33 | liable | pardoes: /msg dpkg sid faq for starters |
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| 16:50.43 | negros | its stable as a rock, dont believe the rumors |
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| 16:51.16 | Symmetria | heh, now to see if my machine dies again after my latest patching |
| 16:51.17 | Symmetria | :p |
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| 16:51.52 | pardoes | Oke maybe sopmeone can answer this: I like to play games sometimes and most of the time bzflag is my game. I got 2.0.8 something and started to play and it works fine but somehow I cant set the screenbrightness any higher as halfway down. Kinda dark so to say |
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| 16:52.18 | pardoes | liable: debian is not new for me only irc is kinda new. I am mora a forum walker :) |
| 16:52.18 | ricky_clarkson | I use tpconfig -t 0 to disable tapping on my touchpad, and no change happens. |
| 16:52.21 | ricky_clarkson | Any hints? |
| 16:52.41 | liable | pardoes: welcome then |
| 16:52.49 | pardoes | thx |
| 16:52.59 | stew | ricky_clarkson: set MaxTapTime to 0 in the xorg.conf |
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| 16:53.52 | liable | its about the only thing that i really like about it |
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| 16:54.00 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 16:54.04 | pardoes | lol |
| 16:54.14 | stew | ricky_clarkson: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead has my config in there, it does disable tapping, but ignore some of the other stuff, becuase that one also disables moving. i use my touchpad for scrolling only |
| 16:54.38 | vaq^ | http://pastebin.ca/66214 - The clients web traffic ain't getting forwarded to the squid proxy with those rules? How come? |
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| 16:56.35 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Heh. I do now remember reading that you can do it from xorg.conf.. |
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| 16:58.18 | stew | ricky_clarkson: man synaptics |
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| 17:01.32 | pardoes | anyone know if there is an gaim pluggin for amarok kinda like the xmms pluggin to show the playing song? |
| 17:01.36 | stew | !no synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 17:01.36 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 17:02.40 | loldongs | hello |
| 17:02.40 | vaq^ | http://pastebin.ca/66214 - The clients web traffic ain't getting forwarded to the squid proxy with those rules? How come? |
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| 17:03.50 | loldongs | i have determined that i have bug #359328 , but i seem unable to achieve the solution |
| 17:04.04 | loldongs | namely, re-installing all X packages as experimental target |
| 17:04.37 | stew | vaq^: i'm not sure, but don't you have to redirect them to a host and port, not just a port? |
| 17:04.52 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Can't locate module psmouse |
| 17:05.05 | stew | vaq^: oh and wait, -i 10.0.0.1? shouldn't that be -i eth1 or something? |
| 17:05.20 | stew | ricky_clarkson: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:05.32 | ricky_clarkson | 2.6.16-1-686 |
| 17:05.39 | stew | hrm |
| 17:05.51 | vaq^ | stew: So what should the rule be instead do you think? |
| 17:06.02 | stew | ricky_clarkson: wait you got that when running modprobe or modprobe -r? |
| 17:06.14 | ricky_clarkson | It works outside my chroot, sorry. |
| 17:06.39 | roe | liable, you around? |
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| 17:07.11 | stew | oh REDIRECT implies you are redirecting to localhost, so i guess i'm wrong there but i think you probably want -i eth1 (-i is just short for --in-interface, right?) |
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| 17:07.28 | GeorgeS069 | liable was just here a few minutes ago |
| 17:07.37 | vaq^ | stew: ye, let me try. |
| 17:08.25 | vaq^ | stew: yay, worked! - Thanks. |
| 17:08.44 | roe | anyone adept at mdadm issues? |
| 17:09.02 | vaq^ | stew: Now i just have to setup some rules that blocks input and outgoing traffic unless it's ssh and www. |
| 17:09.24 | Vasistha | is there a guide posted anywhere on how to allow other users to use GUI apps without e.g. xhost +local: ? |
| 17:09.38 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Doesn't seem to pick up MaxTapTime, nothing in dmesg about it. |
| 17:09.40 | roe | for instance any idea how to fix this: |
| 17:09.43 | roe | mdadm /dev/md0 -E |
| 17:09.43 | roe | mdadm: No super block found on /dev/md0 (Expected magic a92b4efc, got 00000000) |
| 17:09.55 | ricky_clarkson | Not dmesg, Xorg.0.log |
| 17:10.11 | liable | roe: ya |
| 17:10.30 | liable | roe: eww. |
| 17:10.31 | roe | no go :\ |
| 17:10.48 | roe | same error on boot |
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| 17:11.05 | roe | and I can still start the array using mdadm /dev/md0 -A |
| 17:11.25 | ricky_clarkson | stew: "Some distributions come with an incomplete /dev directory. The driver needs the /dev/input/eventX" I smell a mount --bind coming. |
| 17:12.54 | liable | roe: hrm, you made an ext3 on md0? |
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| 17:13.06 | roe | yup |
| 17:13.17 | roe | how do I stop the array again? |
| 17:13.33 | pixxy | hi, i've to download a setof pictures that hase names sucha as pix01 pix02 pix03 there's a script / program that can do it for me ? |
| 17:14.06 | Vasistha | pixxy: you can probably write a script to do it, I'd suggest visiting #bash |
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| 17:14.32 | liable | roe: -S |
| 17:14.42 | oipoistar | hi Debians... |
| 17:14.44 | roe | mdadm /dev/md0 -S? |
| 17:14.59 | liable | yerp |
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| 17:16.16 | roe | # mdadm -R /dev/md0 |
| 17:16.16 | roe | mdadm: failed to run array /dev/md0: Invalid argument |
| 17:16.21 | stew | ricky_clarkson: you and your silly chroots :) |
| 17:16.33 | oipoistar | okey like every user i have a problem, my problem my dog doesnt eat two days.... just joking my problem is i will install XGL on my debian Sarge 3.1 r0 but how i seen more then 40% of the packages are old and when i go apt-get i cant start xServer anymore |
| 17:16.43 | stew | ricky_clarkson: that would explain the missing psmouse |
| 17:16.46 | liable | hehe |
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| 17:17.00 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ah. |
| 17:17.30 | ricky_clarkson | Except modprobe -r psmouse still fails inside the chroot, even though /dev is there. |
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| 17:17.45 | ricky_clarkson | And /lib/modules. |
| 17:17.50 | pardoes | oipoistar: in that case do a dist-upgrade for testing or sid |
| 17:18.09 | liable | is /sys mounted? didnt you have that problem the other day? or sopmething similar? |
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| 17:18.30 | pardoes | sarge is fine but if you get something like xgl you better of with testing or unstable I guess |
| 17:18.41 | stew | ricky_clarkson: it fails because it was never modprobed in the first place (i'd guess) |
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| 17:19.08 | abrotman | pardoes: etch/sid don't have xgl |
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| 17:19.26 | roe | I am all out of ideas |
| 17:19.29 | pardoes | abrotman: not?? |
| 17:19.34 | stew | pardoes: and please don't tell people to upgrade to it if you don't know thier skill level with debian |
| 17:19.35 | abrotman | no .. they don't |
| 17:19.36 | Eulex | abrotman, though they have xorg 7.0, which is needed for xgl. |
| 17:19.37 | abrotman | !xgl |
| 17:19.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 17:19.47 | ricky_clarkson | How should I put a mount --bind in fstab? |
| 17:19.49 | Eulex | afaik, at least |
| 17:19.52 | abrotman | stew: and please don't recommend etch/sid to people new to debian .. they break .. sometimes badly |
| 17:19.58 | liable | roe: i dunno whats going there either. ask in a while, maybe someone else has more knowledge with it |
| 17:20.09 | roe | will do, thanx for all of your help by the way |
| 17:20.11 | stew | abrotman: ? |
| 17:20.16 | pardoes | http://sonique6784.blogspot.com/2006/03/how-to-install-xgl-on-debian-etch.html |
| 17:20.27 | abrotman | stew: that was for pardoes .. sorry |
| 17:20.31 | abrotman | pardoes: really .. please stop |
| 17:20.43 | liable | !nicktard abrotman |
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| 17:20.48 | liable | :( |
| 17:21.01 | abrotman | pardoes: unless you're going to be here to fix oipoistar's machine when it breaks .. don't tell him to do that |
| 17:21.04 | amphi | !pal liable |
| 17:21.20 | pardoes | abrotman: oke but I dont see why etch is bad for new users (perhaps unstable is yes) but etch?? |
| 17:21.23 | stew | pardoes: those instructions are extremely incomplete |
| 17:21.35 | oipoistar | thanks for the suggestions, i downloaded more then 5 gb to upgrade debian to a level where xgl will work but it did more harm then helped |
| 17:21.50 | abrotman | pardoes: beacuse it breaks .. sometimes badly |
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| 17:22.22 | pardoes | Like it is now ni oipoistar case even with sarge?? |
| 17:22.23 | stew | oipoistar: if you are having troubles with apt-get or xfree show us the actual errors you are getting, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg paster |
| 17:22.24 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: What would you suggest for those who want to use newer software than is in stable? |
| 17:22.31 | stew | ricky_clarkson: backports |
| 17:22.34 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: backports.org if they must |
| 17:22.40 | oipoistar | im not afraid of breaking or damaging the system i do a hard disk image every time, the main problem is the bandwidht that i consume during the upgrading |
| 17:23.13 | abrotman | then stop doing it |
| 17:23.24 | pardoes | If you intent to run such unstable thing as XGL which is still early beta you can easy go to etch, since you allready plan to make an unstable machine. but thats just my 2ct |
| 17:23.38 | oipoistar | :) , i cant debian is so god damn fine and i cant even imagine it with xgl together |
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| 17:24.32 | liable | i would love to try it, but my graphics card sucks ass |
| 17:24.37 | stew | pardoes: why would etch make installing xgl any easier? |
| 17:24.52 | vaq^ | stew: Can you help me with setting up some rules for all the clients on eth1 ? |
| 17:24.52 | negros | i dont understand this hype for xgl |
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| 17:24.56 | abrotman | pardoes: for fuck's sake .. STOP DOING THAT |
| 17:25.07 | negros | its unproven, guaranteed to be buggy as hell and what does it offer ? |
| 17:25.14 | oipoistar | productivnes |
| 17:25.18 | negros | poor immitation of osx, with no artistic sense whatsoever |
| 17:25.22 | liable | negros: eye candy, nothing more.. |
| 17:25.24 | oipoistar | i work much faster with that system.... |
| 17:25.30 | oipoistar | not just eye candy |
| 17:25.40 | oipoistar | my desktop looks like a place to trash old cars |
| 17:25.43 | stew | vaq^: if you ask a question, i'll certainly try to answer it, but i'm not necessarily available all day, if you don't find answers here, #iptables migth be more apropriate |
| 17:26.08 | negros | oipoistar i'm sure it'll take at least 3-4 years till you can get productivity gains from xgl |
| 17:26.09 | pardoes | abrotman: All I say is if you intent to (risk) break(ing) your system by installig xgl.. ahh well nevber mind you dont get the point |
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| 17:26.17 | negros | till then prepare for major crashes, lockups and what not |
| 17:26.24 | negros | i dont call that productivity |
| 17:26.24 | amphi | negros: plus it seems that it breaks non-fullscreen openGL progs |
| 17:26.35 | liable | negros: it doesnt matter, its out there, its being developed, why not try it.. |
| 17:26.40 | oipoistar | i used xgl with kororaa and it worked grate without crashes and so on... |
| 17:26.58 | abrotman | pardoes: i do get the point .. stop breaking other people's operating systems |
| 17:27.14 | GeorgeS069 | yeah...let us break them on our own :) |
| 17:27.32 | liable | hehe |
| 17:27.33 | negros | oipoistar thats funny because a google search is crawling with ppl saying that its too "unstable" |
| 17:27.38 | pardoes | abrotman: than dont tel about backports since they can break other peoples os-es to |
| 17:27.42 | abrotman | too |
| 17:27.53 | abrotman | pardoes: and there's a much lower risk of that happen than running etch/sid |
| 17:27.54 | ricky_clarkson | tutu |
| 17:27.59 | negros | which is to be expected given that it was developed by 1 person |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: dancer! |
| 17:28.00 | pardoes | GeorgeS069: :P oke dont need help breaking it?? |
| 17:28.06 | ricky_clarkson | Demond. |
| 17:28.08 | ricky_clarkson | Desmond. |
| 17:28.17 | stew | pardoes: but with a backport you can always uninstall and go back to stable, once you uprade to testing/unstable you cannot go back |
| 17:28.18 | oipoistar | try it with kororaa, i didnt even experienced something similar to a error or such things , it worked fine and it really increase the workflow on the desktop |
| 17:28.21 | GeorgeS069 | I can break mine all by myself now...I'm a pro |
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| 17:28.31 | negros | oipoistar i dont even know what kororaa is |
| 17:28.36 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Isn't that a flaw with Debian then? |
| 17:28.36 | negros | i'm sure i could make it crash in seconds |
| 17:28.40 | GeorgeS069 | broke sarge about 10 times yesterday |
| 17:28.57 | negros | Xorg is a mess |
| 17:29.01 | oipoistar | Kororaa is a linux distro ... live cd.... something like a PoC for xgl |
| 17:29.01 | GeorgeS069 | wanna know how I did it? |
| 17:29.02 | negros | especially the opengl bridges |
| 17:29.11 | negros | it'd be a miracle if it wasnt infested with bugs |
| 17:29.14 | pardoes | GeorgeS069: lol oke I run Sid and never broke it or better to say ne\er broke is in a way I could not fix it |
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| 17:29.52 | negros | i've never really needed anything better than mwm in the linux boxes i use |
| 17:29.57 | negros | maybe windowmaker |
| 17:30.00 | oipoistar | nobody can learn if he doesnt broke something, jus think of thos kids where parent forbid them to play at the house, they become republicans or things like that :D |
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| 17:30.11 | pardoes | LOL |
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| 17:30.20 | stew | ricky_clarkson: probably. its not an easy thing to fix, which is why nobody has fixed it. it would require, for instance all the maintainers to provide downgrade scripts as well as upgrade scripts, which not many maintainers would see the point of doing, like why do i want to write a script so that someone can downgrade to an older version which intruduces new security holes? |
| 17:30.24 | outlaw84 | I was doing a huge dist-upgrade and some packages didn't install, I get this http://outlaw84.no-ip.info/~mihaly/apt.log what should I do? |
| 17:30.37 | ricky_clarkson | stew: So why can that work for backports? |
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| 17:31.09 | abrotman | outlaw84: start with the BTS on bugs.debian.org/python2.3 |
| 17:31.30 | liable | someone should add that to the wiki i guess.. |
| 17:31.36 | jetscreamer | outlaw84: i usually just try again, it has a tendency to fix itself on the second pass... not always, but mostly |
| 17:31.42 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373910 |
| 17:31.52 | abrotman | pardoes: there's a good example of sid breaking |
| 17:32.11 | stew | ricky_clarkson: yeah that's a good point. well downgrading backports is ok if you can handle the conffiles yourself. the difference is really that you are hopefully only dealing with a couple of packages, but if you are upgradeing from stable to testing, every package gets bumped including libc6 which is often impossible to downgrade on a running system |
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| 17:32.41 | outlaw84 | jetscreamer: I allready did that :( |
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| 17:32.57 | jetscreamer | outlaw84: then what i do in those cases is read the error msg and fix it |
| 17:33.13 | jetscreamer | outlaw84: depends on the error/package |
| 17:33.21 | ricky_clarkson | stew: Ok. |
| 17:33.22 | abrotman | how about read the bug ... python2.3 is broken .. upload pending |
| 17:33.25 | abrotman | !btssmite outlaw84 |
| 17:34.04 | pardoes | abrotman: and there is workarround for it to |
| 17:34.21 | abrotman | pardoes: yes .. there is .. it's still broken |
| 17:34.39 | jetscreamer | check incoming maybe try that, you break it you fix it though |
| 17:34.54 | jetscreamer | or just wait |
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| 17:35.08 | liable | or moan here :) |
| 17:35.25 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I didnot know about apt-listbugs.. I'll be using that next time |
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| 17:36.20 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 17:36.33 | [xStream] | jeffrin: hi |
| 17:36.58 | jeffrin | my latop get highly heated during kernel compile or some other cpu intensive task |
| 17:37.31 | jeffrin | it can go to 100 degrees C |
| 17:37.31 | ricky_clarkson | jeffrin: In your BIOS settings you can control the CPU speed, possibly. |
| 17:37.31 | amphi | jeffrin: that's bad ;) |
| 17:37.40 | liable | jeffrin: you didnt have any luck with the laptop sites? |
| 17:37.44 | amphi | jeffrin: on mine the cutout is 90C |
| 17:37.46 | outlaw84 | So basically I should just hang around and check from time to time if its fixed? |
| 17:37.55 | GeorgeS069 | Antec makes a cheap liitle laptop fan system to help keep them cool |
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| 17:38.21 | lws | anybody familiar with ntpd? |
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| 17:38.41 | amphi | !anybody |
| 17:38.42 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:39.08 | ricky_clarkson | lws: Ask the rest of your question. |
| 17:39.08 | jaybee | is using async nfs mounts in a windows to debian box lan a bad idea for a dev server/ |
| 17:39.11 | lws | amphi: I would be wasting my time writing a paragraph if nobody here knows anything about ntpd, wouldn't I? |
| 17:39.23 | lws | ;( |
| 17:39.30 | jeffrin | lws : somewhat |
| 17:39.37 | ricky_clarkson | lws: Not really, you could reuse that paragraph elsewhere. |
| 17:39.45 | outlaw84 | lws: you can use the same text in other channels later ;) |
| 17:39.47 | liable | hah |
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| 17:39.51 | GeorgeS069 | jeffrin: Antec makes a cheap liitle laptop fan system to help keep them cool |
| 17:39.52 | amphi | jeffrin: what processor is in that laptop? |
| 17:39.55 | lws | bah! You guys are outsmarting me |
| 17:40.15 | ricky_clarkson | lws: Don't worry, won't happen often. |
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| 17:41.03 | abrotman | lws: just ask |
| 17:41.21 | GeorgeS069 | lws : just ask dude...our of almost 700 people I'm sure somone knows ntpd |
| 17:41.26 | outlaw84 | so did anyone of you have a solution for my problem with python? or should I just hang around and check with apt from time to time if its been fixed yet? |
| 17:41.43 | jeffrin | amphi : celeron M 350 |
| 17:41.46 | liable | outlaw84: try the package in the bts |
| 17:41.49 | abrotman | outlaw84: read the workaround .. and/or wait for the fix from incoming |
| 17:42.34 | jaybee | so if you export mounts as async, do you just need to periodically run sync from time to time and before booting to make sure everything is flushed? im thinking about setting up exports to windows as async then running "sync" on a cron job every 10 minutes...this is just a two man dev box |
| 17:42.50 | amphi | jeffrin: you might be able to 'undervolt' that, which reduces temp a lot, at least here - from over 70C under load to barely 50C |
| 17:42.53 | jaybee | is this a stupid idea? |
| 17:43.04 | liable | jeffrin: does the fan work at all? you didnt find anything on linux-laptop? |
| 17:43.29 | pixxy | what's the maximum number of files a folder can hold ? |
| 17:43.49 | jeffrin | i think there is one fan and it is working |
| 17:44.03 | superlinux | pixxy, that differs on the filesystem type |
| 17:44.12 | pixxy | debian's ext3 |
| 17:44.17 | abrotman | pixxy: 65535 .. i think |
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| 17:44.41 | superlinux | pixxy, Ah I have a solution.. |
| 17:44.43 | pixxy | there's one that can hold more ? |
| 17:45.04 | pixxy | what solution? |
| 17:45.09 | superlinux | from emule download oriely book abt Linux file systems |
| 17:45.24 | superlinux | read all that you want |
| 17:45.29 | pixxy | ;( |
| 17:45.32 | jetscreamer | emule bites |
| 17:45.40 | abrotman | superlinux: are oyu advocating piracy? |
| 17:45.41 | jetscreamer | riaa runs the servers |
| 17:45.45 | lws | Okay sorry, i got sidetracked. My question is, why does my clock not seem to update when ntpd pokes it's upstream server? |
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| 17:45.53 | negros | abrotman lol |
| 17:45.56 | superlinux | abrotman, well we are used to that here |
| 17:45.57 | negros | whats wrong with piracy |
| 17:45.58 | Eulex | pixxy, I guess you could store stuff in a database |
| 17:45.58 | abrotman | lws: check the logs .. might be too far out of sync |
| 17:46.00 | lws | It reports an offset of 348 , but doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | superlinux: what part of Debian is piracy? |
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| 17:46.12 | jetscreamer | negros: the problem is when you get caught... |
| 17:46.22 | superlinux | abrotman, NONE... |
| 17:46.27 | jetscreamer | stupid nick btw |
| 17:46.27 | pixxy | yes but it would be hard for me to store pix in a db |
| 17:46.29 | pixxy | ;) |
| 17:46.34 | negros | jetscreamer thats why you should exercise caution |
| 17:46.35 | abrotman | superlinux: so stop advocating stealing other people's work |
| 17:46.39 | superlinux | pardon me if I pissed of any one |
| 17:46.47 | sng | abrotman!!! You suck!! |
| 17:46.48 | abrotman | you do it every day |
| 17:46.50 | jetscreamer | pixxy: storing pictures in a db works |
| 17:46.51 | sng | You sucking sucker! |
| 17:46.52 | lws | abrotman: What log? how do I read it? :) |
| 17:46.58 | Eulex | pixxy, not at all. depends on the db if it will be efficient ot not, though. |
| 17:47.01 | abrotman | lws: probably /var/log/messages or syslog |
| 17:47.51 | Eulex | abrotman, piracy is not stealing, but well, I don't want to start that discussion here, so I'll shut up. |
| 17:47.52 | pixxy | btw another ot question : Toshiba's USB DVB-T tuner works in debian or ... there's an usb tuner that works ? |
| 17:47.52 | lws | abrotman: actually, it appears to be working. |
| 17:47.57 | lws | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 17:48.49 | abrotman | lws: see how good i am :) |
| 17:49.03 | GeorgeS069 | !beer abrotman |
| 17:49.04 | lws | abrotman: it's daemon.log btw. |
| 17:49.05 | abrotman | Eulex: you're not the copyright holder .. |
| 17:49.09 | abrotman | lws: i was close! |
| 17:49.19 | liable | pixxy: http://howtos.linux.com/howtos/BTTV/mfgr.shtml |
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| 17:50.27 | abrotman | pixxy: btw .. i was wrong apparently .. ext3 seems to be able to do many more |
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| 17:50.38 | superlinux | abrotman, I do it .. yes but in the end I always go and buy the hard copy.. cos I cant be always nailed to the screen studying stuff.. I even print the squid manuals... hard copies are cheaper than those I print myself |
| 17:50.42 | lws | abrotman: so if it's off more than a few minutes it doesn't set the clock? |
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| 17:51.38 | abrotman | superlinux: justify it however you want .. it's stealing |
| 17:51.38 | pixxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | no |
| 17:51.47 | BigE | Hey guys. I'm looking for where I can add options like -D FASTCGI to Apache2? |
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| 17:51.55 | abrotman | lws: yeah .. i think there's an option to force it |
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| 17:52.00 | jetscreamer | ebooks don't really cut it for me either |
| 17:52.34 | jetscreamer | BigE: #apache maybe |
| 17:53.05 | BigE | jetscreamer: Er, I would think it's a Debian specific question. I need to add them to a config file on my Debian system, and don't know where it's located. |
| 17:53.13 | abrotman | BigE: probably in the init script |
| 17:53.20 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 17:53.21 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:53.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: www.linuks.mine.nu/bitch.jpg |
| 17:53.33 | BigE | abrotman: Hmm... probably right. I'll give it a shot, thanks. |
| 17:53.45 | Vasistha | Eulex: none of us in here want to get in trouble (either personally, or the channel, or freenode) for advocating piracy or stealing or anything, so we usually advise against it and label it as illegal, even if we have different opinions personally. |
| 17:54.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's not nice |
| 17:54.24 | pixxy | thx |
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| 17:54.57 | abrotman | Vasistha: i think you told the wrong person |
| 17:55.08 | pixxy | another question ;) camstream outputs to many pix, there's as tool that outputs captured images to Avi/mpeg? |
| 17:55.09 | Eulex | Vasistha, yes, that's why I didn't want to discuss it. it may be illegal, but it's not equal to stealing imho. eod, kthx :) |
| 17:55.47 | tarzeau | pixxy: mencoder from mplayer? |
| 17:56.08 | pixxy | works with pictures scanned by webcam ? |
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| 17:56.29 | pixxy | i early tried with vlc |
| 17:56.32 | pixxy | but got no result |
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| 17:56.44 | amphi | pixxy: what format are the images? |
| 17:56.44 | tarzeau | pixxy: yes |
| 17:56.49 | jetscreamer | BigE: it's just an alternative place to ask, can't hurt... i wasn't saying stfu :) |
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| 17:57.01 | roe | anyone able to help with a weird mdadm issue |
| 17:57.22 | pixxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.39 | BigE | jetscreamer: Ah, okay. Generally that line does mean stfu. :) no worries then. |
| 17:57.45 | pixxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.00 | tarzeau | pixxy: it comes with mplayer |
| 17:58.01 | ricky_clarkson | !ntp |
| 17:58.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 17:58.10 | ricky_clarkson | pool.ntp.org, brill. |
| 17:58.17 | jetscreamer | pixxy: yes it does |
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| 17:58.29 | _n30 | hello |
| 17:58.34 | jetscreamer | !tell pixxy -about marillat |
| 17:58.36 | _n30 | can someone please help me |
| 17:58.41 | jetscreamer | only if you ask |
| 17:58.49 | jetscreamer | !tell _n30 -about ask |
| 17:58.51 | Vasistha | _n30: if you've got a question just ask |
| 17:58.56 | _n30 | I need to install a package from command line to get my graphics working and am a newbie |
| 17:58.56 | Eulex | pixxy, please stop using <> around the nicks people you talk to, it looks like you're quoting them |
| 17:59.04 | _n30 | want to learn linux using the giu |
| 17:59.08 | _n30 | *gui |
| 17:59.08 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i blah.deb if the file is local |
| 17:59.08 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, jetscreamer |
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| 17:59.19 | pixxy | xchat adds <> to nicks when i copy thy name sorry |
| 17:59.20 | pixxy | ;( |
| 17:59.24 | _n30 | but my old trio s3 64 gfx card is not supported |
| 17:59.35 | _n30 | so have downloaded driver using my laptop and cell phone |
| 17:59.37 | amphi | pixxy: why copy the name? just tab-complete it |
| 17:59.44 | _n30 | now they are on a cd in the cdroot |
| 17:59.48 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 17:59.48 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 17:59.53 | Vasistha | _n30: ^^^ |
| 17:59.55 | _n30 | but I need to install them on ubuntu |
| 17:59.59 | jetscreamer | try vesaugh |
| 18:00.04 | jetscreamer | ygh |
| 18:00.06 | jetscreamer | ugh |
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| 18:00.07 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 18:00.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 18:00.08 | Vasistha | _n30: are you using ubuntu or debian? |
| 18:00.36 | _n30 | ubuntu debian variant .. but the ubuntu crowd arent being very helpful right now |
| 18:00.44 | Eulex | !they don't know |
| 18:00.45 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:00.47 | jetscreamer | that's a problem |
| 18:00.48 | _n30 | i just need to know how to "apt get" from my cd |
| 18:00.53 | _n30 | to install the drivers |
| 18:00.58 | Eulex | _n30, dpkg -i pkgname |
| 18:01.04 | _n30 | either they dont know or they are just ignoring this newbie |
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| 18:01.07 | Vasistha | _n30: sorry to hear that, but we really can't help you with ubuntu. The packages and repositories are different |
| 18:01.09 | _n30 | hmm |
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| 18:01.13 | _n30 | ok |
| 18:01.19 | jetscreamer | _n30: mount the cd, cd to the directory, dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 18:01.23 | Eulex | rather dpkg -i filename |
| 18:01.28 | Eulex | yeah |
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| 18:01.46 | pixxy | with apt-get i got E: Couldn't find package mplayer |
| 18:01.58 | Vasistha | !marillat |
| 18:01.58 | dpkg | from memory, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 18:02.02 | jetscreamer | pixxy: didn't read the marillat factoid i had dpkg send you eh |
| 18:02.18 | Vasistha | pixxy: you need to add debian-multimedia.org to your sources.list |
| 18:02.19 | jetscreamer | ^^that one |
| 18:02.28 | ricky_clarkson | How do I tell Debian what timezone I'm in? |
| 18:02.29 | jetscreamer | add what? |
| 18:02.36 | Vasistha | ricky_clarkson: tzconfig |
| 18:02.38 | jetscreamer | tzconfig Rick |
| 18:02.41 | jetscreamer | y |
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| 18:03.10 | ricky_clarkson | Cheers. |
| 18:03.11 | amphi | ricky_clarkson: or ls -l /etc/localtime |
| 18:03.11 | theine | Does anybody know how I can get a list of local or obsolete packages on the command line? |
| 18:03.14 | jetscreamer | heh nobody tells me anything |
| 18:03.16 | hid3 | Evening everyone. I've purchased a 3com 3c940 LAN card. There are two more netcards in my PC. THe problem is that the 3com card becames eth2 (the last one) instead of eth0. Is there any way I can force that card to be eth0, not eth2? |
| 18:03.37 | jetscreamer | theine: dselect will do that, and it will be on top of the list by default |
| 18:03.39 | amphi | hid3: load its module first, or use ifrename |
| 18:03.45 | abrotman | ifrename |
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| 18:03.51 | jetscreamer | use _ to purge, on the obsolete section header |
| 18:03.53 | theine | jetscreamer: ok, great |
| 18:03.59 | pixxy | mplayer-586: Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-20 but it is not installable | Depends: libggi2 (>= 1:2.0.5) but it is not installable |
| 18:04.07 | hid3 | amphi: I use a monolitic kernel, not modules.. WIll try ifrename, thanks! |
| 18:04.08 | jetscreamer | theine: nobody cept me loves dselect anymore |
| 18:04.14 | liable | theine: or debfoster |
| 18:04.29 | theine | liable: thanks, will try that too |
| 18:04.31 | liable | jetscreamer: cause its horrible? :P |
| 18:04.37 | jetscreamer | liable: it rocks |
| 18:04.49 | liable | roxors your soxors |
| 18:04.57 | jetscreamer | liable: the selection menu kinda bites, but the internals are great |
| 18:05.22 | jetscreamer | that's like saying 'you're ugly, you must be an idiot' |
| 18:05.42 | pixxy | i did : apt-get install mplayer.586* libdirectfb-0.9-20 libggi2 but got only errors |
| 18:05.43 | Eulex | pixxy, are you running sarge, etch or unstable? and what did you add to your sources.list? |
| 18:05.44 | liable | huh |
| 18:06.03 | liable | jetscreamer: no, its like saying its ui sucks ass |
| 18:06.03 | jetscreamer | pixxy: it 'probably' want's more than what you are apt-getting, but i'm guessing |
| 18:06.04 | pixxy | sarge | deb http://debian-multimedia.org sarge main |
| 18:06.10 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: "you have a stupid nick, you must be stupid" :-) |
| 18:06.10 | GoAuLd | !suck goauld |
| 18:06.14 | jetscreamer | liable: you just said what i said' |
| 18:06.30 | liable | no i didnt! |
| 18:06.33 | jetscreamer | me, my nick has about 3 ways it applies to me |
| 18:06.46 | jetscreamer | triple entendre or something |
| 18:06.54 | ricky_clarkson | Mine is very cryptic. |
| 18:06.57 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:06.57 | Eulex | pixxy, ok, then something is wrong about the apt sources you are using. pastebin apt-cache policy libdirectfb-0.9-20, kthx :) |
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| 18:07.21 | Vasistha | mine tends to attract people PM'ing me in Hindi which I don't understand |
| 18:07.29 | jetscreamer | you're a god |
| 18:07.32 | jetscreamer | (iirc) |
| 18:07.35 | amphi | Vasistha: you don't? |
| 18:07.40 | Vasistha | jetscreamer: no, a sage, actually |
| 18:07.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:07.48 | pixxy | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.55 | Eulex | my nick tends to remind people of Euler |
| 18:07.55 | liable | a herb? |
| 18:08.00 | amphi | Vasistha: you want them to PM you in sanskrit? |
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| 18:08.11 | Vasistha | amphi: not a bit. Actually, I can write my name (David) in Hindi, but that's about it. |
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| 18:08.16 | jetscreamer | you need to learn hindi |
| 18:08.31 | Eulex | pixxy, ok, something is definitely wrong about your apt sources. what mirror are you using? |
| 18:08.58 | jetscreamer | 'that's' why everything is getting outsourced to india... you didn't tell them to charge more! |
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| 18:09.03 | jetscreamer | they were trying to ask |
| 18:09.07 | amphi | Vasistha: s/hindi/devanagari </pedant> |
| 18:09.16 | pixxy | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main | deb http://debian-multimedia.org sarge main --- that's all i've in sources.list |
| 18:09.25 | ricky_clarkson | No, it's because American developers suck. |
| 18:09.30 | raf256 | dpkg: starwars |
| 18:09.30 | dpkg | hmm... starwars is <LIM> starwars is actually a movie about samurais in jamaica on the ganja |
| 18:09.38 | jetscreamer | i don't think you want sarge-backports as that do you |
| 18:09.42 | jetscreamer | just sarge |
| 18:09.56 | Eulex | pixxy, ok, that's not enough, run apt-setup and select a nearby mirrot |
| 18:10.03 | Eulex | *mirror |
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| 18:10.13 | jetscreamer | pixxy: that's 'all' ? no other lines? |
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| 18:10.29 | pixxy | yes |
| 18:11.32 | GeorgeS069 | how many sources should we have?? |
| 18:11.42 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: as many as you need |
| 18:11.48 | Ronin | GeorgeS069: how many do you want/need? |
| 18:12.01 | GeorgeS069 | ok...got all of mine then:) |
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| 18:12.21 | pixxy | well it works now |
| 18:12.31 | pixxy | or at least is fetching 15mbs |
| 18:12.41 | pixxy | for apt-get mplayer |
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| 18:12.45 | GeorgeS069 | I just have my DVD's the D-I from Kmuto and backports.org |
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| 18:13.05 | Ronin | GeorgeS069: no security? |
| 18:13.05 | liable | when do the mirrors sync? |
| 18:13.09 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: are you connecting to a debian mirror for security updates, etc? |
| 18:13.12 | GeorgeS069 | oh...yeah...that too |
| 18:13.14 | stew | GeorgeS069: you should /msg dpkg security |
| 18:13.24 | GeorgeS069 | I have a security one too |
| 18:13.30 | GeorgeS069 | forgot about that one:) |
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| 18:13.50 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 18:13.50 | dpkg | apt-spy is, like, a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 18:14.05 | stew | a secret? |
| 18:14.07 | Vasistha | liable: I've read about that before... I think it varies a bit, but I think most of them sync at least once every 24 hours, if not more frequently |
| 18:14.11 | ricky_clarkson | stew: shhh |
| 18:14.13 | jetscreamer | spy vs spy |
| 18:14.25 | ricky_clarkson | Why's it a mystery? |
| 18:14.28 | liable | Vasistha: yeah, was wondering if there was a set time |
| 18:14.29 | ricky_clarkson | Nobody knows... |
| 18:14.45 | jetscreamer | heh videoadapter section of xfree86 |
| 18:14.46 | GeorgeS069 | I was told since I used a backported kernel that I wouldn't get security updates anyway but,it's still in my sources.list |
| 18:15.05 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: well you can get security updates for all your other packages |
| 18:15.07 | stew | GeorgeS069: you wont get security updates for the kenrel, no, but for other packages... |
| 18:15.12 | liable | GeorgeS069: you still get security for other stuff though |
| 18:15.18 | Vasistha | hehe |
| 18:15.23 | GeorgeS069 | ok...glad I left it in there:) |
| 18:15.35 | liable | i lose again |
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| 18:15.46 | pixxy | ok now i've mplayer ;) how do i capture pixes ? |
| 18:15.49 | GeorgeS069 | that's really all I backported was the kernel and Xorg |
| 18:16.17 | Vasistha | pixxy: you actually might find very competent help for that task in #mplayer |
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| 18:17.10 | bcc_ | if i change the /boot (along with grub) location to another drive, do i need to re-install stage1 into the mbr? |
| 18:17.11 | roe | what are the chances that there is a #mdadm |
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| 18:17.32 | JeffH | what's a wireless g card that is well supported by Linux? |
| 18:17.57 | stew | JeffH: something with a prism chip |
| 18:17.58 | lamp_ | how can i know the gcc version who is used to compile te debian kernel-image-2.6.15-1-686-smp, and how can i change that version of gcc to default |
| 18:18.09 | pixxy | JeffH one that's no like mine ;=) Sis163u NW54-USB ^_^ |
| 18:18.26 | Vasistha | bcc_: I *think* so, but I'm not sure |
| 18:18.32 | liable | roe: you could try ##linux to |
| 18:18.34 | JeffH | stew: is there somewhere I can find a list of cards that have a prism chip? |
| 18:18.41 | bcc_ | Vasistha: ok |
| 18:18.44 | cahoot | lamp_: check /var/log/kern.log |
| 18:18.57 | stew | JeffH: seattlewireless.net use to have a database, dunno though, you might ask #wireless |
| 18:18.58 | pixxy | Vasistha good advice but there's no living being on #mplayer the looks pretty like stones |
| 18:19.00 | formorer | JeffH: prism54.org |
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| 18:19.14 | GeorgeS069 | I thought broadcom chips for wireless were well supported also? |
| 18:19.21 | formorer | rotfl |
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| 18:19.28 | formorer | GeorgeS069: this joke was good :) |
| 18:19.33 | lamp_ | cahoot: thanks and how can i make that version of gcc default? |
| 18:19.41 | Vasistha | pixxy: it ebbs and flows. If you post a question someone might answer it in 10 minutes. Sometimes there will be a flurry of discussion. |
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| 18:19.58 | formorer | GeorgeS069: forget broadcom if you think on linux support |
| 18:19.59 | GeorgeS069 | well,there go my plans to put debian on this laptop! |
| 18:19.59 | stew | GeorgeS069: he was talking about *linux*, you must have missed that part |
| 18:20.04 | Vasistha | GeorgeS069: heh I first read that as "boredom chips" |
| 18:20.05 | kspath | pixxy: Have you considered mplayer websites or mailing lists? |
| 18:20.14 | formorer | GeorgeS069: which laptop? |
| 18:20.25 | pixxy | btww theorically "open url"->/dev/video0 has chance t work ? |
| 18:20.30 | cahoot | lamp_: don't really know how to do that 'the debian way' - someone else here surely does |
| 18:20.31 | GeorgeS069 | HP pavilion zv6000 |
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| 18:20.47 | formorer | GeorgeS069: there is a reverse enginered bcm43xx driver now, which works almost fine |
| 18:20.53 | formorer | GeorgeS069: but only with 11Mbit |
| 18:21.14 | Vasistha | pixxy: I would not expect that to work at all, it might even have negative side effects |
| 18:21.20 | liable | GeorgeS069: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 18:21.21 | GeorgeS069 | yikes...way too slow for what I do...I'll wait |
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| 18:21.37 | formorer | GeorgeS069: ndiswrapper *cough* would work too |
| 18:22.50 | GeorgeS069 | maybe one day when I have my mail setup an all that good stuff I'll fool around with debian on this thing |
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| 18:23.12 | ricky_clarkson | How can I specify in /etc/fstab a --bind mount? |
| 18:23.28 | ricky_clarkson | E.g., mount --bind /dev /root/etch-chroot/dev |
| 18:23.28 | stew | ricky_clarkson: put bind in the options section |
| 18:23.36 | ricky_clarkson | And what as the fs? |
| 18:23.40 | JeffH | hm.. I don't see a list of wireless cards on here anywhere. |
| 18:23.47 | roe | a |
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| 18:24.29 | amphi | JeffH: perhaps http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 18:24.39 | formorer | ricky_clarkson: /var/www /var/lib/vservers/barny/var/www none bind 0 0 |
| 18:25.06 | ricky_clarkson | It seems to work with auto. |
| 18:25.11 | lamp_ | cahoot: the problem is that i want to compile a module for it but the kernel is compiled with 4.0.3 and the default gcc version is 4.0.4 |
| 18:25.18 | ricky_clarkson | Thanks. |
| 18:26.21 | liable | lamp_: do you have 4.0.3 too? |
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| 18:26.44 | lamp_ | liable: i think not, i think debian just upgraded from 4.0.3 to 4.0.4 in testing. |
| 18:27.13 | JeffH | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.28 | cahoot | lamp_: ls /usr/bin/gcc* |
| 18:28.06 | amphi | JeffH: ipw2200, ralink rt2500 are two that I know work |
| 18:28.11 | liable | JeffH: atheros based ones are ok, but theres a binary blob that taints kernel |
| 18:28.36 | lamp_ | cahoot: gcc and gcc4-0 |
| 18:28.54 | GoAuLd | !kiss me |
| 18:29.01 | GoAuLd | !lick me |
| 18:29.08 | GoAuLd | !suck me |
| 18:29.12 | GoAuLd | !fuck me |
| 18:29.13 | JeffH | that's the problem.. I ask what CARD is supported and people respond what CHIPSET is supported.. I don't care a flip about the chipset, just give me a card! |
| 18:29.15 | jetscreamer | !fuck GoAuLd |
| 18:29.25 | Vasistha | GoAuLd: /msg dpkg dude |
| 18:29.26 | jetscreamer | dangit |
| 18:29.36 | jetscreamer | you evil snake bastid |
| 18:29.45 | cahoot | lamp_: gcc -v says 4.0.4? |
| 18:29.57 | liable | JeffH: hard to do, cause manufacturers seem to like changing chipsets without changing model |
| 18:30.06 | jetscreamer | \|/ 2 l's |
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| 18:30.20 | lamp_ | cahoot: yes |
| 18:30.50 | Vasistha | JeffH: get a list of cards you're thinking of purchasing, google.com/linux cards by model number (and version number!) and see what chipsets they've got |
| 18:30.54 | amphi | JeffH: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 18:30.54 | amphi | JeffH: RaLink Ralink RT2500 802.11 Cardbus Reference Card |
| 18:31.23 | liable | JeffH: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
| 18:32.06 | liable | JeffH: http://rtl8180-sa2400.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:32.11 | cahoot | lamp_: I get this: gcc version 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3) - can't figure out this really means (this is on etch) |
| 18:32.14 | Vasistha | JeffH: believe me, probably just about everyone in this channel -wishes- that it was as easy as just saying "Buy Brand XYZ they always make linux-friendly cards with open source drivers" ... sadly there is no such vendors |
| 18:32.34 | liable | JeffH: http://sourceforge.net/projects/acx100/ |
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| 18:32.45 | ricky_clarkson | I've mounted /mnt/windows and a normal user cannot access it. |
| 18:32.59 | liable | JeffH: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 18:33.16 | ricky_clarkson | The mount point is drwxr-xr-x |
| 18:33.25 | JeffH | any companies starting to ship Linux drivers with their products yet? That's ultimate solution IMO |
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| 18:33.28 | Vasistha | ricky_clarkson: you need to get some of the settings in your mount command worked out |
| 18:33.32 | cahoot | ricky_clarkson: set umask=000 |
| 18:34.04 | Vasistha | JeffH: not really as nice a solution as you might first think. Linux kernels vary quite a bit, and so the driver often has to change with the kernel, unfortunately |
| 18:34.09 | ricky_clarkson | Shit, I did that in the chroot, but not outside it. ;) |
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| 18:34.37 | maikol | im having problems compiling with make. the error i get is /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build: No such file or directory. build-essential is installed |
| 18:34.53 | JeffH | Vasistha: well, then that's going to be an impediment to linux mainstream acceptance as a viable alternative to WIndows. |
| 18:35.02 | ricky_clarkson | Thanks. I hate repeating mistakes. |
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| 18:35.05 | USmarine | maikol, kernel source is installed? |
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| 18:35.10 | kados | I'm running 'grub-install /dev/hda1' and I'm getting: |
| 18:35.14 | Vasistha | JeffH: MS has standardized their API so that companies only have to write one driver once, and it will work with anyone's XP. Of course, anyone running XP has the same kernel, too. And yeah, it's an impediment to mainstream use, without a doubt |
| 18:35.15 | MoDaX | cahoot: which part don't you understant? |
| 18:35.16 | kados | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 18:35.20 | maikol | USmarine: dont know |
| 18:35.23 | kados | (lots of the invalidate: busy buffer messages) |
| 18:35.25 | maikol | USmarine: dont think so |
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| 18:35.36 | kados | anyone have any ideas for how to fix that? |
| 18:35.49 | cahoot | MoDaX: is it 4.0.4 ? why the Debian 4.0.3? |
| 18:35.55 | JeffH | Vasistha: what keeps the kernel folks from standardizing their driver interface? that seems like a good thing. |
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| 18:36.15 | amphi | JeffH: they don't like binary drivers, I believe |
| 18:36.17 | USmarine | maikol, then your next step is to get it |
| 18:36.26 | MoDaX | cahoot: prerelease, not-released, taken from cvs branch |
| 18:36.32 | Vasistha | JeffH: but much of the problem exists because hardware manufacturers think they're in the software business, and so they write proprietary drivers for windows only, and do not share the hardware specs, and reverse-engineering a driver is -very- difficult, although it has been done quite a bit |
| 18:36.37 | maikol | USmarine: how. and how can i check if its already there |
| 18:36.56 | JeffH | sounds like a decision that will always keep Linux on the fringes of mainstream. |
| 18:37.07 | maikol | USmarine: i know its not there on the comp with problems, i just want to check if its installed here |
| 18:37.10 | MoDaX | cahoot: 4.0.3 with updates from gcc cvs branch. read the changelog |
| 18:37.12 | USmarine | well, they should accept binaries |
| 18:37.22 | amphi | USmarine: why/ |
| 18:37.23 | USmarine | nobody has to know how the hardware is made |
| 18:37.29 | USmarine | only the manufacturer |
| 18:37.30 | cahoot | MoDaX: the issue was if lamp_ can use it to compile a module for a kernel compiled with 4.0.3 |
| 18:37.42 | USmarine | so it delievers the driver |
| 18:37.47 | USmarine | closed of course |
| 18:37.48 | Vasistha | JeffH: I don't really know, but I think it's just because they're constantly making improvements for one reason or another, and they realize "oh, this ought to change" ... and there's a whole community of people who will update their drivers, and the whole thing gets ironed out quite quickly -- all the open source stuff, anyway. The proprietary stuff falls by the wayside, because the hardware vendors can't keep up |
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| 18:38.16 | USmarine | maikol, m-a prepare |
| 18:38.37 | MoDaX | cahoot: it could |
| 18:39.00 | Vasistha | JeffH: if the hardware vendors would just share their interfaces, in all likelihood linux developers would adopt the drivers as their personal projects, and the whole thing would flow quite fluidly -- as it does for a tremendous volume of hardware that exists |
| 18:39.00 | cahoot | lamp_: ^^ - you see that? |
| 18:39.11 | mith | how do you mark a package as held so that dpkg wont upgrade it without a force? |
| 18:39.31 | JeffH | Vasistha: I think you're right.. it's just unfortunate.. until device makers start providing drivers 'out of the box' Linux will remain on the fringe of mainstream. |
| 18:39.33 | Vasistha | mith: the term is to "pin" the package ... there's a way to do it... |
| 18:39.43 | liable | mith: /msg dpkg hold |
| 18:39.47 | MoDaX | cahoot: 4.1 and 4.0 are incompatible |
| 18:39.50 | mith | Vasistha: i'm pretty sure what I'm looking for is hold |
| 18:39.56 | mith | liable: thanks |
| 18:40.10 | JeffH | Vasistha: but sharing their interfaces could give their competitors valuable information. |
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| 18:40.23 | Vasistha | JeffH: well, maybe. that's pretty debateable. |
| 18:40.24 | MoDaX | cahoot: as far as kernel is conserned (magic id or smth) |
| 18:40.35 | maikol | USmarine: m-a: Command not found |
| 18:40.35 | GeorgeS069 | Could also expose how much thier "drivers" suck :) |
| 18:40.36 | USmarine | amphi, manufacturers have secrets under hood, so it's normal that they should open the drivers |
| 18:40.42 | jetscreamer | module-assitant |
| 18:40.45 | jetscreamer | !m-a |
| 18:40.45 | dpkg | module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 18:41.00 | USmarine | shouldnt* |
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| 18:41.33 | mith | there needs to be packages for vpopmail and courier-authdaemon's authvchkpw module so I can stop having to rebuild the damned packages |
| 18:41.59 | liable | mith: for the build dir, you need kernel-headers |
| 18:42.08 | cahoot | MoDaX: ok - thanks for the info |
| 18:42.08 | amphi | USmarine: there's no reason why the programming interface need expose those secrets |
| 18:42.11 | mith | liable: wrong person? |
| 18:42.18 | JeffH | what one should do is write a driver interface layer.. one side could be set in stone, the other change as needed to the kernel. |
| 18:42.18 | liable | mith: yes, sorry |
| 18:42.23 | Vasistha | JeffH: the thing is... the powers that be (that control linux) ... I don't know how interested they really are in making linux mainstream. An excellent example of this is the phillips webcam. I'll see if I can find the link |
| 18:42.37 | liable | maikol: for the build dir, you need kernel-headers |
| 18:42.40 | Bitz | hi, why can not change the system limit to unlimit? |
| 18:42.58 | mith | Vasistha: linux already is mainstream. If you don't realise this, then you're probably not using linux for what it's good at. (ie, you're talking about on the desktop.) |
| 18:43.01 | Vasistha | JeffH: linux already has a huge market share in the server world, and in that world, there are no such problems with proprietary hardware |
| 18:43.10 | Vasistha | mith: heh |
| 18:43.19 | Bitz | do need to do this in the kernel? |
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| 18:43.35 | gavagai | is it a bad idea to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as cron jobs? i.e. should you be there to check what happens, provide input |
| 18:43.49 | USmarine | gavagai, update is ok |
| 18:43.50 | petemc | theres apt-cron |
| 18:43.56 | USmarine | upgrade you should control |
| 18:43.56 | petemc | i think.. |
| 18:43.58 | gavagai | apt-cron, i'll check that |
| 18:44.05 | USmarine | as errors may occur |
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| 18:44.26 | gavagai | Ok, if i should control upgrade, what about upgrading just a particular package? like i have an ftp server so would i maybe want to run a script to just update that daily, for security upgrades? |
| 18:44.31 | gavagai | if it breaks i don't really care |
| 18:44.47 | JeffH | Vasistha: I disagree. IMO Linux is on the fringe of mainstream. As for as using Linux.. I've used it since 92 and been using it only as a server OS for about the last 5 years. |
| 18:44.59 | gavagai | thanks btw |
| 18:45.12 | JeffH | desktop is where it severely lacks. |
| 18:45.31 | Vasistha | JeffH: http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ |
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| 18:45.51 | mith | JeffH: you're wrong. When there's entire companies that do nothing but develop linux software or run nothing but linux servers, there's to call it but mainstream. |
| 18:46.03 | mith | err s/there's/there's nothing/ |
| 18:46.30 | mith | JeffH: so IBM isn't mainstream because they dropped their laptops and desktop lines? |
| 18:46.34 | gavagai | e.g, if i make a script to "apt-get upgrade proftpd" and run it from cron daily, would that work? or would it ask cron for input and just hang? |
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| 18:46.56 | maikol | iwconfig works in tty1 but not in a gnome terminal, why? |
| 18:47.07 | petemc | gavagai: it would be fairly pointless, security updates arent quite that frequent |
| 18:47.08 | mith | gavagai: you're looking for cron-apt |
| 18:47.21 | petemc | gavagai: better yo subscribe to security announce |
| 18:47.28 | gavagai | mith, ok thank you |
| 18:47.32 | gavagai | petemc, oh, good idea! |
| 18:47.34 | petemc | i was close... |
| 18:47.40 | liable | maikol: you are root in gnome term? |
| 18:47.41 | mith | gavagai: but you don't typically want it to actually update the packages, as it can break things |
| 18:47.55 | gavagai | ok cool |
| 18:48.05 | gavagai | i've broken a distro in that fashion before, so i'll be cautious |
| 18:48.08 | mith | gavagai: eg, the sudo security update that was done not too long back by that retard that didn't realise the option he was forcing on everyone was already available in sudo and broke anything that used environment variables |
| 18:48.24 | mith | (still bitter about that) |
| 18:48.25 | gavagai | heh |
| 18:48.38 | maikol | liable: wow. that worked, thanks. |
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| 18:50.58 | sergio | anyone has compiled the psi development version in gentoo? (not through portage) |
| 18:51.04 | sergio | Oops |
| 18:51.05 | sergio | sorry |
| 18:51.07 | sergio | lol |
| 18:51.09 | USmarine | cof cof |
| 18:51.11 | USmarine | #debian |
| 18:51.13 | liable | hehe |
| 18:51.18 | sergio | yes I know xD |
| 18:51.24 | sergio | let me change the question... |
| 18:51.30 | lamp_ | cahoot: thanks, but i'm now compiling a kernel myself that should solve my problem |
| 18:51.32 | sergio | anyone has compiled the psi development version in debian? :P |
| 18:51.34 | USmarine | if you know, then you did it on purpose |
| 18:51.53 | _n30 | YEAH! |
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| 18:52.36 | cahoot | lamp_: at least the ggc proleb ;) |
| 18:52.42 | cahoot | doh |
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| 18:54.13 | kepht | whenever debconf runs, some fonts are messed up, is there a way to fix? |
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| 18:54.50 | kepht | some characters in manpages are messed up too |
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| 18:55.50 | deadcat_ | is there a way to make my system see my handspring visor all the time instead of only the time when the sync button is pressed? i need to use the palm lcd for the lcd software |
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| 18:56.30 | Tom_Corrigan | anyone know the full path to linuxrc? :-/ |
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| 18:56.55 | kepht | no one knows how to fix fonts? |
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| 18:57.18 | liable | Tom_Corrigan: isnt that in the initrd? or am i thinking of the wrong thing.. |
| 18:57.28 | ricky_clarkson | kepht: Inside or outside X? |
| 18:57.30 | Tom_Corrigan | you are likely right. |
| 18:57.35 | kepht | ricky_clarkson: both |
| 18:57.42 | ricky_clarkson | No, nobody does. |
| 18:57.52 | kepht | neat |
| 18:57.56 | zinx | deadcat_: No. |
| 18:58.12 | roe_ | anyone able to help with a weird mdadm issue - I promise its a doosey :) |
| 18:58.15 | zinx | deadcat_: you'll have to get a program on the visor that does stuff |
| 18:58.22 | pixxy | what windows program is compatible with gnome meeting ? |
| 18:58.23 | GeorgeS069 | kepht: just guessing here but,you could just re-install the font packages |
| 18:58.25 | liable | Tom_Corrigan: uncompress it and see :) |
| 18:58.51 | Tom_Corrigan | liable i am trying to add the color from knoppix boot to my debian system :-/ |
| 18:58.52 | deadcat_ | zinx: i have palmorb, which displays output of lcd from linux i guess. |
| 18:58.56 | kepht | GeorgeS069: been doing that, but still missing some "basic" system font or something |
| 18:59.19 | Tom_Corrigan | liable what tool do i decompress it with? |
| 18:59.30 | GeorgeS069 | kepht: did you try apt-cache search font ? |
| 18:59.35 | liable | Tom_Corrigan: gunzip/tar |
| 18:59.41 | kepht | GeorgeS069: currently, only extra characters used in manpages, and during dpkg messages are missing |
| 18:59.45 | Tom_Corrigan | ok |
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| 19:00.12 | liable | Tom_Corrigan: rename it initrd.gz and gunzip it |
| 19:00.13 | deadcat_ | zinx: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_USB_sync_for_Palm_PDAs_with_Evolution_2.0_and_udev#Some_personal_troubleshooting you think this might work? |
| 19:00.13 | kepht | i'm assuming it's some "base package" but duuno which |
| 19:00.37 | liable | Tom_Corrigan: erm, cp it and call it .gz and gunzip it :) |
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| 19:01.03 | Tom_Corrigan | liable brb |
| 19:01.28 | GeorgeS069 | kepht: sorry...can't help much more than that...still kinda new to debian |
| 19:01.31 | zinx | deadcat_: the software on the visor you're using should make it seen.. if it doesn't, the software doesn't work right on the visor. |
| 19:01.39 | kepht | GeorgeS069: ok, thanks |
| 19:01.48 | deadcat_ | zinx: oh |
| 19:02.09 | GeorgeS069 | well,new and old...used it many years ago and found my way back to light :) |
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| 19:02.23 | GeorgeS069 | hi streuner |
| 19:02.30 | streuner | hi |
| 19:02.47 | GeorgeS069 | sound is still working...thanks:) |
| 19:03.01 | zinx | deadcat_: in any case, you can't make the visor always seen by the system without running special software on the visor |
| 19:03.18 | deadcat_ | zinx: you know a good one? |
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| 19:04.06 | Serinity | One of my "Where's the 'ANY' key ?" users want linux on his machine.... I'm scared |
| 19:04.13 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
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| 19:05.04 | liable | Serinity: i am sure it will be a brief experience :) |
| 19:05.09 | Serinity | lol |
| 19:05.17 | Serinity | good one :) |
| 19:05.29 | GeorgeS069 | Serinity: put win 3.1 on an old 486 and tell them it's a new linux project to support windows apps :) |
| 19:05.46 | mne | hid3, I'm running debian on a netfinity 5500 m20 server with an IBM serveraid 7 scsi controller. How can I monitor the system, epsecially the RAID disks ? There is some kind of IBm software for this, unfortunately it is really expensive ... |
| 19:05.46 | Serinity | I'll try to go the hard way.... "First, you have to read this and this and this and... THIS !" |
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| 19:06.20 | Serinity | RTFM is the best way to get away any key users |
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| 19:07.20 | bcc_ | do i need to have grub.conf or only menu.lst? |
| 19:07.32 | liable | menu.lst |
| 19:07.36 | Serinity | Well, i guess ubuntu... without root privileges.. |
| 19:07.39 | bcc_ | thanks |
| 19:07.52 | wakejagr | Serinity: if the person is willing to read, RTFM may make them into a non "any-key" user. added bonus! |
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| 19:08.01 | Serinity | yes... |
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| 19:08.19 | Serinity | I'm not the kind of people to refuse the access to linux but... _this_ user.... |
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| 19:08.54 | Serinity | "I saved a file but i don't know where...." <--- His kind.... |
| 19:08.57 | Ronin | Serinity: think of them as job security |
| 19:09.00 | liable | Serinity: give him pII and gentoo :) |
| 19:09.08 | Serinity | lol gentoo... |
| 19:09.08 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 19:09.24 | Serinity | First, compile ! "What the hell is compile ?" |
| 19:09.26 | Serinity | hehe |
| 19:09.27 | g333k | Hi, excuse for the offtopix: Which is the order of lightness? xfce, jwm, fluxbox, icewm ? |
| 19:10.02 | Serinity | topix ? Is this a unix variant of topic ? |
| 19:10.20 | Serinity | T.O.P.I.C.S. |
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| 19:10.46 | liable | xfce last, flux prolly first, or jwn dunno, icewm prolly second |
| 19:11.08 | g333k | off topic* |
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| 19:11.21 | g333k | thanks liable..... |
| 19:11.37 | Serinity | flux is lighty and useful |
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| 19:11.41 | Serinity | i liked to use it |
| 19:11.50 | martoss | hi there |
| 19:11.58 | Serinity | Well, i still have a machine running it actually |
| 19:12.00 | martoss | anybody with pxe and nfs booting experience here? |
| 19:12.01 | Bitz | hi, how can setup file descriptors to unlimit? |
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| 19:12.13 | g333k | Well I'm trying light weight linux distros.... |
| 19:12.26 | g333k | Did you know that there is a Little Debian distro? |
| 19:12.28 | GeorgeS069 | !anybody |
| 19:12.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:13.09 | Serinity | g333k, install debian without software on it... |
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| 19:13.28 | Serinity | then remove everything useless for you |
| 19:13.29 | martoss | ok, question is how to generate an appropriate initrd.img for an installed kernel |
| 19:13.36 | liable | g333k: damn small linux is based on debian |
| 19:13.39 | g333k | Serinity, lol.... maybe... it's cool, I have an old P1 and it works fine with that |
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| 19:14.13 | Serinity | marcels, mkinitr or yaird ? |
| 19:14.21 | Serinity | damn |
| 19:14.37 | Akbar | when will etch be out? |
| 19:14.38 | Serinity | martoss, mkinitrd or yaird ? |
| 19:14.41 | g333k | liable, yeah! most of light weight linux are based on debian, I mean most based on knoppix and knoppix based on debian, so .... debian is the grandfather |
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| 19:14.49 | GeorgeS069 | !etch |
| 19:14.49 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
| 19:14.50 | Serinity | Akbar, When it will be ready |
| 19:14.56 | liable | martoss: for a debian kernel-image? |
| 19:15.13 | Akbar | Serinity, alright |
| 19:15.18 | liable | Akbar: release date set for dec |
| 19:15.34 | GeorgeS069 | Akbar : when it's ready :) |
| 19:15.35 | Serinity | Oh ! They have set a release date ? |
| 19:15.37 | liable | whether it does.. |
| 19:15.41 | martoss | yep more or less, it's an ubuntu-server kernel but should be pretty much the same |
| 19:15.48 | Serinity | liable, politic moved since woody ? |
| 19:16.04 | liable | martoss: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-foo |
| 19:16.04 | Akbar | Serinity, yeah quicker.. |
| 19:16.14 | Akbar | cycles |
| 19:16.16 | liable | Serinity: meaning? |
| 19:16.19 | g333k | liable, but there's one of them.... based on slackware... and it is on the run man..... is very light and complete: Vector Linux |
| 19:16.28 | Serinity | ooops |
| 19:16.32 | Serinity | since sarge i meant |
| 19:16.36 | liable | g333k: ok.. |
| 19:16.42 | Serinity | liable, like sarge took some time to be released |
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| 19:17.00 | GeorgeS069 | sarge was ready when I needed it :) |
| 19:17.15 | liable | Serinity: yeah, its due to freeze next month, then i guess it depends on bugs |
| 19:17.21 | Serinity | GeorgeS069, and for everything else, there was backports :) |
| 19:17.44 | GeorgeS069 | yup yup |
| 19:17.44 | GeorgeS069 | backported the kernel and Xorg |
| 19:17.44 | Serinity | liable, etch freezes next month ? |
| 19:17.44 | Akbar | Serinity, for things like f-spot there isn't a working backport right? |
| 19:17.44 | Akbar | :P |
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| 19:18.02 | Akbar | too bad.. |
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| 19:18.15 | Serinity | Akbar, Dono, i don't even know what f-spot is |
| 19:18.24 | liable | Serinity: the essential tool chain then a few weeks later the main freeze iirc. its prolly somewhere on debian.org if you want to know for sure |
| 19:18.31 | Akbar | it's a photomanagement app.. like picasa.. |
| 19:18.57 | Maulkin | Serinity: See debian-devel-announce :) |
| 19:19.01 | negros | one of miguel's pet projects |
| 19:19.04 | liable | Serinity: or d-d-a mailing list |
| 19:19.06 | nexis | anyone had any success with getting a cisco aironet 350 into rfmon mode correctly on a 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:19.06 | negros | written in .net |
| 19:19.16 | Akbar | negros mono :P |
| 19:19.27 | negros | which means that its absolute garbage |
| 19:19.33 | amphi | negros: heh |
| 19:19.44 | negros | i'd be busting out champagne the day debian removes mono from pool |
| 19:19.52 | abrotman | mono is a .NET implementation |
| 19:20.14 | negros | and a bad one at that |
| 19:20.34 | Akbar | well why do you think it's bad? |
| 19:20.51 | Akbar | better than java :P |
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| 19:20.59 | abrotman | !tell vern about root |
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| 19:21.08 | negros | Akbar please |
| 19:21.18 | abrotman | you have to justify it .. you said it |
| 19:21.29 | negros | mono doesnt even come close to the sun implementation |
| 19:21.36 | maher | what format is firefox formhistory.dat in and how do i grep it? |
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| 19:21.40 | roe_ | if anyone can give me a little insight to http://pastebin.com/713601 it would be great |
| 19:21.42 | abrotman | negros: wtf |
| 19:21.46 | negros | pertaining to performance, stability and library support |
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| 19:21.48 | Akbar | man.. oh man.. |
| 19:21.55 | Serinity | liable, so i better find an other mentor to update my package because my mentor doesn't answer anymore the mails |
| 19:22.16 | Serinity | as it's still time |
| 19:22.18 | negros | as far as i'm concerned DeIcaza has the Midas touch of shit |
| 19:22.31 | abrotman | negros: what sun implentation are you referring to? |
| 19:22.38 | OleMoudi | what do I have to enable to force my users to use good passwords? |
| 19:22.41 | Akbar | he's talking about java |
| 19:22.43 | negros | the sun implementation of java |
| 19:22.50 | abrotman | you're a freaking idiot |
| 19:22.51 | negros | i'm prejudiced though |
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| 19:22.58 | abrotman | you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 19:22.59 | negros | i think DeIcaza is a degenerate |
| 19:23.08 | abrotman | i think negros is a moron :) |
| 19:23.13 | abrotman | or a really bad troll |
| 19:23.15 | liable | Serinity: i guess. |
| 19:23.17 | martoss | is there any chance to restart a server which is hanging with an kernel panic |
| 19:23.20 | negros | so anything he sticks his dirty little hands into, is shit |
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| 19:23.32 | abrotman | negros: do you have any idea what .NET is .. or how it is NOT related to Java ? |
| 19:23.34 | martoss | sending a ctrl+alt+del doesn't help |
| 19:23.36 | Akbar | negros I feel you don't like the guy :P |
| 19:23.40 | negros | abrotman learn to read |
| 19:23.47 | negros | someone else said mono is better than java |
| 19:23.58 | Serinity | martoss, reset |
| 19:24.03 | roe_ | martoss, do you have access to the power button? |
| 19:24.09 | negros | i compared implementation to the degree that they can be compared |
| 19:24.09 | martoss | nope |
| 19:24.13 | roe_ | then nope |
| 19:24.14 | martoss | just via kvm |
| 19:24.16 | abrotman | negros: you said mono is a bad implementation of .NET .. and we wanted to know why you think that .. and you said Sun's implementation was better |
| 19:24.24 | roe_ | martoss, how about the circuit breaker :) |
| 19:24.28 | Serinity | martoss, no way |
| 19:24.31 | martoss | ok |
| 19:24.33 | abrotman | except .. Sun doesn't have a .NET implementation .. and Java is not .NET |
| 19:24.38 | negros | abrotman i was replying to Akbar who compared it to java |
| 19:24.41 | martoss | then I'll have to wait till monday :-( |
| 19:24.47 | Serinity | roe_, He said "restart" :) |
| 19:24.51 | Akbar | negros no I just said it was better |
| 19:24.53 | Akbar | :P |
| 19:24.57 | Serinity | He'll still need to press power afterwards :P |
| 19:25.09 | abrotman | so you just think mono sucks because Miguel helped code it? |
| 19:25.10 | roe_ | yea yea :) |
| 19:25.17 | Akbar | mono is the best thing since sliced bread :P |
| 19:25.19 | jelly | abrotman: it was rather obvious it was in the context of .net vs. java. |
| 19:25.19 | negros | abrotman i think that mono sucks for lots of reasons |
| 19:25.23 | Akbar | me ducks |
| 19:25.27 | abrotman | negros: so name them |
| 19:25.28 | negros | the fact that Miguel is the chief architect (lol) doesnt help any |
| 19:25.31 | abrotman | jelly: eh .. no |
| 19:25.34 | martoss | it says unable to mount root fs |
| 19:25.41 | GeorgeS069 | Serinity: most newer systems can be set in the bios to start up when power is restored |
| 19:25.52 | roe_ | Serinity, some bios will re-start automatically if power is cut unexpectedly |
| 19:26.02 | roe_ | mainly AT systems |
| 19:26.10 | jelly | abrotman: I think you're just jumping to protect your view of a known DD. ;-) |
| 19:26.19 | martoss | can I power down w/o physical access to the reset button? |
| 19:26.20 | Akbar | okay whatever |
| 19:26.28 | oggis_ | actually by default most ATX systems and all AT systems auto-power on |
| 19:26.29 | negros | this is a big argument that i dont want to get myself into right now |
| 19:26.38 | Serinity | martoss, unplug ? |
| 19:26.39 | roe_ | Serinity, :-P |
| 19:26.45 | abrotman | jelly: a known DD ? |
| 19:26.46 | Serinity | :) |
| 19:26.48 | liable | martoss: sure, shutdown -h now |
| 19:26.58 | negros | lets just say that strictly code-wise (implementation) it leaves a lot to be desired |
| 19:27.02 | Serinity | liable, He's in kernel panic |
| 19:27.05 | jelly | abrotman: sorry, isn't DeIcaza also a DD? |
| 19:27.08 | martoss | yep |
| 19:27.09 | liable | oh |
| 19:27.14 | abrotman | jelly: not that i'm aware |
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| 19:27.17 | roe_ | have you tried the force? |
| 19:27.18 | Serinity | init 0 should also do it |
| 19:27.20 | martoss | it's not that important |
| 19:27.21 | negros | performance is abysmal, stability too |
| 19:27.29 | Akbar | but seriously |
| 19:27.35 | Akbar | we need a better usenet client :P |
| 19:27.36 | martoss | I have 3 other nodes to kill |
| 19:27.44 | liable | hah |
| 19:27.45 | abrotman | jelly: i think he might have been a long time ago .. not sure |
| 19:27.51 | Akbar | something like grabit or something :P |
| 19:27.52 | Serinity | martoss, stand up from your chair and press the button, yuo lazy ass !! :) |
| 19:28.07 | jelly | abrotman: I've probably mixed him up w/ somebody else, sorry. |
| 19:28.32 | liable | garlic chicken sausages for dinner! |
| 19:28.40 | abrotman | jelly: he may very well have been .. but i'm pretty sure he isn't currently |
| 19:28.41 | negros | abrotman: also the fact that its a clone of microsoft's technologies with no ties to unix whatsoever doesnt help any |
| 19:28.48 | negros | miguel can try to shove his shit down your throats |
| 19:28.50 | martoss | Serenity, the problem is, that this f**** machine is not reachable from here. Next monday the lab is opened again. |
| 19:28.55 | negros | but he aint coming anywhere near my systems |
| 19:28.57 | abrotman | negros: it works perfectly fine .. just as well as java |
| 19:28.58 | Akbar | negros in that case.. what do you think of the samba project? |
| 19:29.05 | abrotman | not that java is all that great either |
| 19:29.30 | oggis_ | negros could try to clean his language up a bit. |
| 19:29.32 | negros | Akbar irrelevant, i'm comparing languages here |
| 19:29.48 | Akbar | "its a clone of microsoft's technologies with no ties to unix whatsoever doesnt help any" |
| 19:29.59 | negros | i dont want .exe and .dll files in my systems |
| 19:30.18 | maher | negros: then don't put them there - what are you whining about? |
| 19:30.19 | abrotman | .NET isn't a language |
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| 19:30.29 | negros | in fact if you actually paid any attention, you would know by now that Miguel hasnt come up with anything original or unixy in his so-called 'career' |
| 19:30.39 | maher | negros: who cares? |
| 19:30.40 | negros | everything he's done is clone microsoft technologies |
| 19:30.49 | Akbar | it's just a piece of software to bundle all the languages |
| 19:30.54 | mith | who is miguel and why do you hate him so much? |
| 19:31.00 | negros | maybe the fact that microsoft rejected him |
| 19:31.01 | Akbar | so it's easy to develop |
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| 19:31.10 | abrotman | negros: he was offered a job there .. he turned it down |
| 19:31.16 | abrotman | mith: miguel de icaza |
| 19:31.18 | negros | i seem to remember he got rejected |
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| 19:31.22 | negros | didnt pass the interview |
| 19:31.24 | mith | oh |
| 19:31.32 | abrotman | negros: and gnome was a copy of KDE .. nice troll though |
| 19:31.37 | kspath | Is that #debian related? |
| 19:31.38 | negros | then he started busting out shit like bonobo |
| 19:31.44 | abrotman | or rather .. was intended to be a free Desktop ... unlike KDE |
| 19:31.45 | nimurphy | abotman: thanks for that, hadn't even thought of it (the root thing) when i ran irssi |
| 19:31.53 | abrotman | mmm . abotman |
| 19:31.56 | jelly | what would be the optimal place to report a bug in ext3, ext3-users list? |
| 19:31.57 | negros | i mean with a track record like his, i'm surprised you actually can mention his name with a straight face |
| 19:31.59 | oggis_ | negros: what about the wine and cedega projects then? |
| 19:32.02 | negros | guy is a retard |
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| 19:32.22 | maher | negros: do you have anything to say which is related to debian? |
| 19:32.33 | negros | maher, ppl keep asking i have to respond |
| 19:32.35 | kspath | negros: Is that #debian related? |
| 19:32.35 | mith | negros: so why don't you go do something better and stop bitching about him on the interweb to people that don't care? |
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| 19:32.48 | oggis_ | or all the OS programs supporting MS proprietary file formats for the sake of compability? |
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| 19:33.06 | negros | i ll mention one last fact |
| 19:33.08 | alex__ | used to php4-ming on woody, I have now upgraded and still can't find its equivalent on sarge, has it not been continued ? |
| 19:33.09 | Akbar | oggis_, he feels it's irrelevant :P |
| 19:33.16 | maher | by they firefox formhistory.dat is the mork format |
| 19:33.25 | maher | s/they/the way/ |
| 19:33.29 | tarzeau | apt popcon |
| 19:33.30 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:33.34 | Akbar | holland won :P |
| 19:33.34 | negros | he tried to hijack windowmaker development back when they decided to drop E for gnome |
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| 19:33.46 | negros | mailing lists went crazy back then |
| 19:34.01 | mith | the guy's a dick, what's your point? shut up |
| 19:34.06 | abrotman | he's wrong :) |
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| 19:34.36 | liable | cant we all just get along.. hehe |
| 19:34.40 | abrotman | negros: you're probably using software miguel has written as we speak |
| 19:34.41 | Akbar | instead of looking at the guy, look at the technology |
| 19:34.43 | Akbar | :) |
| 19:34.59 | negros | abrotman LOL |
| 19:35.25 | abrotman | negros: have you ever used gnumeric, mc, or the linux kernel ? |
| 19:35.27 | negros | as a matter of fact i dont use a single gnome library or mc in my system |
| 19:35.31 | Akbar | lol |
| 19:35.42 | abrotman | just that pesky kernel ? |
| 19:35.48 | negros | yeah that pesky kernel |
| 19:36.20 | Akbar | I'm curious to how gnome 2.14 looks |
| 19:36.23 | maher | the mork spec needs to get posted to the dailywtf |
| 19:36.27 | abrotman | you don't even have GTK installed ? |
| 19:36.33 | negros | abrotman no |
| 19:36.39 | Akbar | maybe I'll boot the dapper drake livecd |
| 19:36.47 | abrotman | what a sad life |
| 19:36.55 | negros | abrotman its called picking the superior solution |
| 19:36.58 | abrotman | negros: Qt ? |
| 19:37.00 | negros | dont get me started on gtk |
| 19:37.02 | negros | i could talk all day |
| 19:37.02 | mith | negros: if he wrote mc, then I'm completely behind you on the miguel hate, this is just the wrong place to talk about it. |
| 19:37.04 | negros | lol |
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| 19:37.21 | jelly | abrotman: Um, what's the point? I think djb is nuts but we still have djbdns and qmail installed in some critical places. |
| 19:37.22 | abrotman | right .. thoguht so |
| 19:37.28 | abrotman | jelly: ewwww! |
| 19:37.35 | abrotman | that guy is a total whack job :) |
| 19:37.50 | maher | i am perfectly sane but write rubbish code so no one uses it :( |
| 19:37.52 | mith | jelly: dnscache rocks my world |
| 19:38.04 | jelly | abrotman: (if your comment is for the "have qmail installed", I agree ;-) |
| 19:38.12 | mith | but yes, djb is a whackjob :P |
| 19:38.34 | abrotman | jelly: when i started here .. the mail server was qmail and ezmlm .. what a pile of crap .. almost as bad as kde |
| 19:38.42 | Akbar | lol |
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| 19:39.02 | Akbar | flamewar :P |
| 19:39.05 | mith | abrotman: compared to what? |
| 19:39.23 | rxed | I have to 'dhclient eth1' to get an IP with my wifi connection. I don't use this connection a lot, so it's not a real problem, but I was wondering if there is a way to automate eth1 DHCP request when I use it? |
| 19:39.23 | abrotman | mith: postfix? anything? .. i'd rather use sendmail than qmail :) |
| 19:39.33 | mith | abrotman: i rather like qmail :P |
| 19:39.38 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 19:39.39 | dpkg | smail rulez |
| 19:39.46 | maher | rxed: ifplugd |
| 19:39.46 | abrotman | i'd rather have to write my own sendmail config from scratch than use qmail again |
| 19:39.51 | mith | i think the licensing is stupid and the original author is insane, but i like how it works, heh |
| 19:40.07 | negros | anyone who comes up with shit like libbonobo deserves to be ridiculed |
| 19:40.13 | abrotman | mith: the way it works is interesting .. it still sucks |
| 19:40.23 | negros | same goes for unix-savvy users of said product, who should know better |
| 19:40.27 | martoss | ok just to see if i am right in theory: it should be sufficient to adapt the parameters to in the mkinitrd.conf |
| 19:40.28 | abrotman | mith: the modular approach i mean |
| 19:40.28 | mith | shut up, we're done with miguel we're making fun of djb now, get with the program |
| 19:40.30 | GeorgeS069 | p0stfix rulez |
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| 19:40.38 | martoss | and then dpkg-reconfigure the kernel package |
| 19:40.47 | Blissex | negros: thats perhaps the whole of Freedesktop.org, who seem sometimes to me a bit of a sabotage campaign against free software... |
| 19:40.49 | oggis_ | I don't get these "I hate everything I don't personally use" people |
| 19:40.49 | rxed | maher: thanks |
| 19:40.51 | Akbar | *sigh* |
| 19:40.57 | Erudified | okay, so I've got debian testing on my laptop, debian testing on my desktop, I try to scp some files from my desktop to my laptop and I get "protocol error unexpected newline" |
| 19:40.59 | mith | abrotman: then out of curiosity what don't you like? |
| 19:41.02 | martoss | then 2 links into the tftp dir |
| 19:41.06 | Erudified | Anyone seen this before? |
| 19:41.34 | mith | abrotman: just the fact that the software completely ignores any semblance of file system hiearchy standards? heh |
| 19:41.40 | oggis_ | I like Qt and KDE, but I use both GNOME and KDE, C and C++, GTK+ and Qt, whatever suits the situation best |
| 19:41.48 | abrotman | mith: ezmlm was my major gripe with the setup as a whole .. i seem to remember aliases being a major pain .. |
| 19:41.56 | oggis_ | even debian vs gentoo (now i'm really gonna get kicked) |
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| 19:42.09 | Akbar | python? :P |
| 19:42.16 | martoss | any special boot params beside vga=normal initrd=initrd.img ramdisk_size=16392 root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/srv/nfs/dapper ip=dhcp rw -- |
| 19:42.20 | martoss | ? |
| 19:42.24 | mith | abrotman: they're weird, but once you get it figured out the way aliases work is actually pretty cool in my opinion |
| 19:42.27 | abrotman | mith: to be honest .. i found postfix works best for me |
| 19:42.44 | abrotman | mith: my setup isn't that complicated though |
| 19:42.46 | mith | abrotman: but ya, i don't fuck with mailling lists so i'm really not familiar with how shitty ezmlm is |
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| 19:42.58 | abrotman | mith: mailman is a freaking dream compared to ezmlm |
| 19:43.08 | kspath | abrotman: hehehe |
| 19:43.17 | DieFledermaus | a wet dream i hope |
| 19:43.49 | mith | abrotman: see, i have worked with mailman and that i just cannot agree with :) |
| 19:44.09 | Akbar | but you know.. I find it odd that KDE is the only DE that uses qt.. |
| 19:44.09 | mith | abrotman: well, that it's a dream, i don't know how it compares |
| 19:44.18 | kspath | abrotman: You might have sparked a religious war. |
| 19:44.32 | Erudified | durka durka debian jihad |
| 19:44.49 | jelly | abrotman: one thing about ezmlm, it had an easier interface for the list-admin. 10-15 boolean options and that's it. Mailman, OTOH, has an UI that's just gross. |
| 19:44.51 | roe_ | any idea how to fix this: |
| 19:44.51 | roe_ | backup:/home/bckup# mdadm --detail --query /dev/md0 |
| 19:44.51 | roe_ | /dev/md0: 111.79GiB raid1 2 devices, 0 spares. Use mdadm --detail for more detail. |
| 19:44.51 | roe_ | /dev/md0: No md super block found, not an md component |
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| 19:44.53 | mith | Akbar: why? for the longest time it was stupid licensing issues so noone else wanted to use it and the kde people were just like "fuck you oss snobs this shit works better we're using it" and it's worked out pretty well for them. |
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| 19:45.11 | roe_ | oops :/ |
| 19:45.15 | Erudified | mith *glances at his KDE desktop* sure has =) |
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| 19:45.58 | Akbar | ohh |
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| 19:46.17 | Akbar | but qt got released under the gpl right? |
| 19:46.25 | mith | eventually |
| 19:46.28 | mith | on some platforms |
| 19:46.37 | Akbar | so then why is nobody adopting qt as base |
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| 19:46.48 | cockroach | hi. i have a little question: which cpu type should I select when compiling a kernel for a geode sc1100 cpu? |
| 19:46.54 | mith | because they've already got code deeply rooted in gtk or some other toolkit? |
| 19:46.58 | Erudified | holy shit does anyone know why scp just stopped working? |
| 19:47.09 | mith | Akbar: it took >5 years for it to happen. that's a long time |
| 19:47.18 | Erudified | on the last testing upgrade (which afaik didnt even touch ssh?) |
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| 19:47.23 | stranger_stone | hello |
| 19:47.33 | mith | define 'stopped working' |
| 19:48.22 | maher | Erudified: use ssh -v for more precise errors |
| 19:48.42 | negros | Akbar i seem to notice that there exist lots of application that use qt |
| 19:49.02 | negros | which makes your argument moot |
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| 19:49.18 | negros | unless you mean a new DE based on qt |
| 19:49.23 | negros | which would be idiotic |
| 19:49.25 | abrotman | jelly: for the server admin it was fine .. but for list managers .. a freaking nightmare |
| 19:49.33 | oggis_ | yeah, not and a lot which aren't KDE specific at all (but most have been at some stage of their development) |
| 19:49.33 | Akbar | negros, yeah I meant a DE |
| 19:49.35 | amphi | not another bloody DE |
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| 19:49.45 | negros | the fact that there exist multiple gtk DE's, probably means that gnome leaves much to be desired |
| 19:49.58 | oggis_ | negros: ;) |
| 19:50.03 | Akbar | wtf?! |
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| 19:50.08 | abrotman | yeah .. a light Qt desktop would never be useful .. |
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| 19:50.16 | Erudified | "protocol error: unexpected newline" |
| 19:50.27 | Erudified | when I do scp alex@mydesktop:/~.bash* . |
| 19:50.27 | rkrush | Hey, does anybody use Foomatic printer drivers (from linuxprinting.org)? |
| 19:50.28 | Akbar | the gnome interface relying on qt |
| 19:50.29 | Akbar | :o |
| 19:50.40 | oggis_ | yeah, well, the reason for xfce is pretty much that gnome is bloated compared to it. there exists no such alternative to KDE. |
| 19:51.06 | Akbar | ever looked at the proceslist when running kde |
| 19:51.08 | abrotman | yeah .. cause KDE isn't bloated at all |
| 19:51.11 | jelly | Erudified: escape or quote ~ and * . |
| 19:51.11 | Akbar | what's kdeinit :P |
| 19:51.29 | Akbar | 20 spawned kdeinit's :o |
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| 19:51.37 | negros | bloated is not a measure of 'goodness' |
| 19:51.52 | negros | at the end of the day its all about productivity and well-thought out interfaces/integration |
| 19:51.55 | abrotman | you're the one that said gnome was bloated |
| 19:52.05 | negros | i seem to remember Icaza talking at guadec saying "GNOME is broken" |
| 19:52.10 | abrotman | oh .. no .. that was oggis_ |
| 19:52.38 | oggis_ | yes, I think nobody can argue against xfce being lighter than gnome |
| 19:52.57 | oggis_ | gnome vs kde, hmm, gnome seems lighter ;) |
| 19:52.59 | Akbar | right negros and I think gnome's interface is actually the best way |
| 19:53.04 | oggis_ | but still my preference is kde |
| 19:53.07 | negros | Akbar, gnome has no interface |
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| 19:53.15 | Akbar | no? |
| 19:53.16 | Akbar | lol |
| 19:53.26 | negros | unless you re referring to a random scattering of ideas |
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| 19:53.30 | abrotman | mm .. troll |
| 19:53.39 | jelly | Erudified: something like this ought to work: scp 'user@remote:~/.bash*' . |
| 19:53.53 | oggis_ | kde's development seems a lot faster, possibly due to the easiness of coding in Qt C++ instead of GTK+/GLib C |
| 19:54.01 | Eulex | oggis_, just an hour ago I installed the latest beta of xfce on an old laptop, a p2 300 with 64mb ram. it used *less* memory than the last stable |
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| 19:54.25 | jelly | Erudified: then again ~ is the default cwd for a shell, so you can probably do just scp 'user@remote:.bash*' . |
| 19:54.27 | abrotman | oggis_: maybe you should try gtkmm |
| 19:54.28 | Akbar | negros yeah I know it's pretty and well thought out unlike the bloated and unorganized bunch of options of the kde interface |
| 19:54.39 | rohan | anyone on sid get errors while updating python2.4-minimal ? |
| 19:54.51 | oggis_ | abrotman: yeah, I've used glibmm>kmm somewhat |
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| 19:54.54 | negros | Akbar, if you trully believe that you're ignorant |
| 19:54.59 | N30PsYcH-e | doh! |
| 19:55.05 | oggis_ | it's pretty nice too but imo not as nice as Qt |
| 19:55.06 | Akbar | the only thing about kde is it's konqueror.. that's pretty nice |
| 19:55.07 | negros | it probably means you've never evaluated other solutions |
| 19:55.09 | N30PsYcH-e | im banned from ubuntu for talking in caps |
| 19:55.13 | N30PsYcH-e | can anyone unban me |
| 19:55.14 | rohan | http://rafb.net/paste/results/p7UGU950.html |
| 19:55.18 | N30PsYcH-e | diddnt get it |
| 19:55.20 | Akbar | AS filemanager |
| 19:55.25 | abrotman | N30PsYcH-e: wrong channel .. msg the op that banned you |
| 19:55.26 | negros | the project leader himself, admitting on stage that his project is 'broken' should clue you in |
| 19:55.30 | abrotman | N30PsYcH-e: we can't do anything about it |
| 19:55.35 | rohan | N30PsYcH-e: this is not the channel for asking about ubuntu |
| 19:55.41 | N30PsYcH-e | can anyone help me with my mouse issue |
| 19:55.46 | abrotman | N30PsYcH-e: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:55.54 | N30PsYcH-e | i got ubuntu installed on my old p1 233mhz |
| 19:56.02 | N30PsYcH-e | but the mouse isnt working |
| 19:56.03 | abrotman | N30PsYcH-e: go to #ubuntu |
| 19:56.07 | oggis_ | yes, gnome really looks a lot more "consistent" or integrated, but OTOH KDE has more actual functional integration |
| 19:56.10 | USmarine | cof cof #debian |
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| 19:56.31 | negros | i agree |
| 19:56.33 | Akbar | oggis_, 'functional integration' like? |
| 19:56.38 | Akbar | examples? |
| 19:56.42 | negros | how things work together |
| 19:56.48 | negros | the options you have as an application developer |
| 19:56.48 | Akbar | what things? |
| 19:56.57 | DieFledermaus | USmarine: cough louder i don't think they noticed |
| 19:57.15 | Akbar | I think he meant the 'functional integration' of apps |
| 19:57.15 | negros | which means that there exist well-thought out interfaces that actually work |
| 19:57.23 | USmarine | DieFledermaus, guess so :P |
| 19:57.30 | oggis_ | Akbar: kparts for example |
| 19:57.46 | negros | Akbar, i suggest you go watch the videos from the latest guadec |
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| 19:58.18 | negros | maybe that'll shatter your delusions |
| 19:58.27 | rohan | are http://rafb.net/paste/results/S3ZuZN70.html and http://rafb.net/paste/results/p7UGU950.html known problems on debian sid !? |
| 19:58.30 | Akbar | I wish konqueror as a filemanager would be ported to gtk+ |
| 19:58.31 | Akbar | :P |
| 19:58.47 | abrotman | eww .. why? |
| 19:58.52 | oggis_ | I actually somehow like nautilus more |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | rohan: check the BTS |
| 19:59.04 | Akbar | abrotman, I like the [move here/copy here] stuff in there |
| 19:59.09 | Akbar | that little popup |
| 19:59.13 | oggis_ | it's one of the few gnomeish apps I like better |
| 19:59.23 | abrotman | Akbar: tried xfe? |
| 19:59.33 | Akbar | yeah a long time ago |
| 19:59.36 | madclicker | can i setup a way that if spam comes into my account i just send it to a spammassassin account for learning? |
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| 19:59.42 | Akbar | it was very confusing in a way dunnow why |
| 19:59.46 | Eulex | Akbar, check out thunar. |
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| 20:00.40 | rohan | Akbar: why not just use kde ? or konqueror works fine on gnome too |
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| 20:01.15 | Akbar | because I don't want those kdelibs installed :) |
| 20:01.22 | abrotman | madclicker: i think you can setup SA for bayesian learning |
| 20:01.32 | Akbar | launching every part of kde when launching konqueror |
| 20:01.48 | madclicker | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:02.51 | rohan | lol, anyone have the .deb mentioned in the fix ? i cant seem to find it, it has been moved .. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373939 |
| 20:03.05 | rohan | Akbar: the kdelibs dont bite ;) |
| 20:03.19 | Akbar | they are evil :( |
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| 20:03.37 | rohan | ;D |
| 20:03.40 | Akbar | I don't trust that kdeinit |
| 20:04.14 | Akbar | rohan try 'ps -e' and look at how many kdeinit are used |
| 20:04.25 | Akbar | *evil* |
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| 20:05.04 | rohan | Akbar: 1 here |
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| 20:05.34 | rohan | meh, from where am i supposed to get python-central_0.4.17_all.deb ? its a grave bug which i need to fix :S |
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| 20:06.48 | waraxtle | i have problem with dell ml 570 |
| 20:06.57 | abrotman | rohan: the solution is at the bottom |
| 20:07.02 | waraxtle | kernel 2.4 start |
| 20:07.09 | waraxtle | but 3.6 don't start |
| 20:07.14 | waraxtle | i have installed 2.4 |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | rohan: oh .. apt-get update .. try again |
| 20:07.16 | blondie | h3110 |
| 20:07.23 | abrotman | !smack blondie |
| 20:07.33 | blondie | hi abr0tman |
| 20:07.33 | abrotman | !info python-central sid |
| 20:07.41 | dpkg | python-central: (register and build utility for Python packages), section python, is standard. Version: 0.4.16 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 20:07.44 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 20:07.45 | abrotman | dpkg: update |
| 20:07.46 | dpkg | methinks update is dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 20:07.49 | abrotman | eh .. no |
| 20:08.10 | Akbar | !convert pr0n* > theora |
| 20:08.14 | waraxtle | ricompiled 2.6 with compaq array 2 support |
| 20:08.18 | Akbar | oh sorry :P |
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| 20:08.23 | waraxtle | now start but don't mount root partition |
| 20:08.52 | abrotman | rohan: it went into sid .. it'll be available to you shortly |
| 20:08.52 | rohan | abrotman: doesnt help |
| 20:09.13 | abrotman | !katie |
| 20:09.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
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| 20:09.24 | Akbar | anyway, is anyone using etch at the moment? |
| 20:09.26 | MarcoPau | hello, is there any kopete 0.12.0 deb package around? |
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| 20:09.50 | amphi | !anyone |
| 20:09.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:09.58 | rohan | abrotman: till then, say i install .15 and keep it on hold, how do i later 'unhold' it ? |
| 20:10.01 | rohan | MarcoPau: in sid |
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| 20:10.22 | rohan | abrotman: also, how many hours is it, to 1952 UTC ? |
| 20:10.35 | Eulex | !unhold |
| 20:10.35 | dpkg | from memory, unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 20:10.42 | rohan | thanks Eulex :) |
| 20:10.52 | Eulex | yw :) |
| 20:11.05 | MarcoPau | rohan: I just upgraded but I still have 0.11 |
| 20:11.17 | abrotman | rohan: eh .. what is your timezone? |
| 20:11.18 | Eulex | Akbar, I'm on etch. lots of people probably are. just ask. |
| 20:11.29 | MarcoPau | rohan: lemme do dist-upgrade |
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| 20:11.38 | Anduril | When booting my Debian (testing) Myth box with a PVR-150 I get 'kernel: bttv: disagrees about version of symbol tveeprom_hauppauge_analog' and several related messages in /var/log/syslog. Does anyone here have a solution to this problem? |
| 20:11.40 | rohan | abrotman: gmt+5.30 |
| 20:11.43 | abrotman | Akbar: for qwhich version of debian ? |
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| 20:11.48 | Akbar | okay Eulex how many times did it crash? :P |
| 20:11.49 | abrotman | rohan: wtf .. are you in indiana ? |
| 20:11.55 | rohan | abrotman: no, i am in india |
| 20:12.00 | amphi | heh |
| 20:12.01 | abrotman | oh .. +5.30 :) |
| 20:12.04 | abrotman | not - |
| 20:12.12 | Akbar | abrotman, ah? |
| 20:12.13 | kingspawn | Hm, anyone have any experience with a scrool wheel not working? |
| 20:12.23 | rohan | abrotman: :) |
| 20:12.36 | abrotman | rohan: currently 1812 UTC |
| 20:12.38 | abrotman | !time |
| 20:12.39 | dpkg | time is probably found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.06.16 20:12:38, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 20:12.51 | Eulex | Akbar, umh... never? |
| 20:12.58 | Akbar | okay.. |
| 20:13.04 | rohan | wow, this is grand debian sid problem .. http://rafb.net/paste/results/1HbIlm61.html |
| 20:13.19 | abrotman | rohan: apt-get -f install |
| 20:13.32 | rohan | abrotman: fails since it needs the older python-central |
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| 20:13.45 | Akbar | Eulex are there etch netinstalls? |
| 20:13.45 | abrotman | rohan: so wait an hour .. the package you need is moving to sid now |
| 20:13.53 | rohan | and older python-central needs python, so it fails since pythonneeds proper python-central |
| 20:13.57 | Eulex | Akbar, some packages have been a bit broken occasionally. mostly kde and gnome, though, and I use neither of them :) |
| 20:14.22 | Eulex | Akbar, yes, but it's beta and you should use the sarge netinstall if possible and then dist-upgrade to etch |
| 20:14.27 | rohan | abrotman: i dont see how will the problem be solved by the newer package - since python-central will not be installed at that time too, due to the same problem |
| 20:14.27 | Akbar | I'll dist-upgrade and cross my fingers hope it will go smooth |
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| 20:15.17 | abrotman | rohan: the newer one is supposed to solve the problem |
| 20:15.29 | rohan | abrotman: but how will it get installed at all ? |
| 20:15.36 | abrotman | magic |
| 20:15.40 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 20:15.42 | amphi | Akbar: negros: just thought I'd throw this into the gnome/kde discussion: "uriel> Stalwart: gnome/gtk lusers are good as meat to feed stray dogs" |
| 20:15.45 | rohan | this error - http://rafb.net/paste/results/1HbIlm61.html - will occur again, abrotman |
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| 20:16.16 | Akbar | amphi, man.. |
| 20:16.19 | phantom_ | hi all |
| 20:16.25 | abrotman | rohan: what is the output of apt-get -f install ? |
| 20:16.28 | Akbar | kde is for n00bs |
| 20:16.45 | GeorgeS069 | I resenmble that remark:) |
| 20:16.57 | rohan | abrotman: wait, it is working now :)) great |
| 20:17.00 | Akbar | amphi, did you apt-get install kde-luna? |
| 20:17.07 | rohan | ty for your help, abrotman |
| 20:17.08 | phantom_ | just tried to do an dist-upgrade on testing and I see that apt wants to remove kdelibs-bin.... is that OK |
| 20:17.13 | abrotman | rohan: see! |
| 20:17.15 | amphi | Akbar: kde-luna? |
| 20:17.26 | abrotman | phantom_: depends. . what else is it installing ? |
| 20:17.33 | amphi | Akbar: no, in any case, I don't run either of the DEs |
| 20:17.35 | rohan | phantom_: read the changelog for kdebase - its ok ! |
| 20:17.38 | phantom_ | not much |
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| 20:17.44 | rohan | abrotman: yea, my bad, you can now slap me ;) |
| 20:17.49 | Akbar | amphi, ohh kde doesn't innovate |
| 20:17.50 | abrotman | !slap rohan |
| 20:18.04 | amphi | Akbar: I have no idea what it does |
| 20:18.05 | rohan | wow, dpkg can do that too ?! |
| 20:18.08 | phantom_ | I did and install on kpdf |
| 20:18.17 | Akbar | ohh okay |
| 20:18.22 | rohan | Akbar: come now, we dont want yet another kde troll :D |
| 20:18.28 | Eulex | rohan, dpkg can do anything. |
| 20:18.36 | Akbar | okay.. back to the dist-upgrade |
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| 20:18.45 | rohan | *agrees* |
| 20:18.59 | rohan | dpkg: plz cook some eggs and bacon for me :) |
| 20:19.04 | abrotman | !feed rohan |
| 20:19.19 | jaybee | anyone have a how-to on mapping windows vista to nfs mounts? |
| 20:19.21 | rohan | wow, i underestimated it ;) |
| 20:19.55 | rohan | oh well, gotta get going .. thanks again abrotman |
| 20:20.03 | abrotman | have a nice day |
| 20:20.03 | rohan | catch ya all around .. HAND :) |
| 20:20.11 | rohan | abrotman: you too :) |
| 20:20.27 | abrotman | jaybee: you want to make vista shares into nfs shares ? |
| 20:20.27 | thingfish | steak and ale pie? Is that for real? |
| 20:20.35 | abrotman | thingfish: it's a .uk thing .. ask blondie |
| 20:20.44 | GeorgeS069 | pie with ale in it?? |
| 20:20.56 | GeorgeS069 | is that like a cake with rum in it? |
| 20:20.59 | thingfish | I guess why not...I've put stout in with roast beef before. |
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| 20:21.11 | thingfish | abrotman: I thought it sounded u.k.-ish. |
| 20:21.17 | jaybee | abrotman: no, use the client for nfs in vista (other way around) |
| 20:21.35 | abrotman | jaybee: so you want us to help you with the win32 nfs client ? |
| 20:21.38 | jaybee | abrotman: the help system in vista doesn't appear to be finished yet :D |
| 20:21.44 | abrotman | i'm shocked |
| 20:21.51 | GeorgeS069 | LOL |
| 20:21.56 | phantom_ | sorry for the delay |
| 20:22.05 | thingfish | heh |
| 20:22.06 | GeorgeS069 | will the help system in Vista EVER be complete??? |
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| 20:22.35 | phantom_ | I'm upgradeing kdelibs4c2a kpdf ksnapshot kuickshow and apt removes kdelibs-bin |
| 20:22.43 | abrotman | sounds good |
| 20:22.47 | jaybee | i need to get some stuff off a debian server and don't want to use samba basically |
| 20:22.51 | Eulex | phantom_, tough luck |
| 20:22.52 | phantom_ | doesn't say it's going to install anything else |
| 20:23.20 | phantom_ | Eulex: I won't do it if it's going to break kde |
| 20:23.30 | GeorgeS069 | phantom_: just a guess but,maybe kdelibs4c2a replaces kdelibs-bin |
| 20:23.44 | phantom_ | I wanted to know if that package is going to disapear |
| 20:24.07 | Eulex | phantom_, it won't, kdelibs-bin doesn't exist anymore, it's neither in testing nor in sid |
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| 20:24.37 | JediMaster | hey guys, does anyone know how to wipe the last 100k or so of a hard disk? |
| 20:24.48 | Eulex | JediMaster, man dd |
| 20:24.48 | JediMaster | dd'ing the whole drive will take hours |
| 20:24.56 | Eulex | dd does offsets |
| 20:25.01 | JediMaster | Eulex: already did, couldn't see anything about changing where it starts |
| 20:25.18 | JediMaster | I know how to change how much it dd's, but not where it starts from |
| 20:25.19 | abrotman | maybe .. skip ? |
| 20:25.23 | abrotman | seek ? |
| 20:25.35 | abrotman | it's seek |
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| 20:25.49 | GeorgeS069 | could you make a small partition at the end of the drive and just dd that? |
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| 20:25.57 | JediMaster | ok I didn't see that =) |
| 20:26.32 | JediMaster | GeorgeS069: good idea, but I need to be able to write past the end of the partition where the partiion table info is store for raid |
| 20:26.44 | GeorgeS069 | ahh...ok |
| 20:26.52 | GeorgeS069 | was worth a shot:) |
| 20:26.55 | abrotman | JediMaster: you could actually read next time :) |
| 20:26.58 | JediMaster | =) |
| 20:27.05 | GeorgeS069 | raid sux anyway :P |
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| 20:27.07 | GeorgeS069 | hehehehe |
| 20:27.26 | aapeli | hey, i need help with sed, how can i remove last two characters from end of line? |
| 20:27.27 | JediMaster | GeorgeS069: not when I've got a terrabyte of raid array from old 120gb drives =) |
| 20:27.44 | JediMaster | abrotman: my bad, I'm sure I read through the lot |
| 20:27.57 | GeorgeS069 | JediMaster: was a joke...I wanna start another raid war in here:) |
| 20:28.09 | phantom_ | I'm checking the changlog online |
| 20:28.52 | abrotman | aapeli: i'm not a sed expert .. maybe something like s/??$/$/ ? |
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| 20:29.08 | jelly | aapeli: s/..$// |
| 20:29.32 | dondelelcaro | so long as you're not talking about a \r\n at the end or something similar... |
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| 20:30.13 | phantom_ | OK, for the record..... kdelibs-bin has been merged into kdelibs4c2a |
| 20:30.15 | jelly | dondelelcaro: sed doesn't catch \n; dunno about DOS files, though. |
| 20:30.25 | GeorgeS069 | Hey..I got one right :) |
| 20:30.31 | dondelelcaro | jelly: well, it can... but it's non-trivial. |
| 20:30.53 | JediMaster | abrotman: does this look right?: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd obs=1000000 seek=119000 |
| 20:31.19 | aapeli | worked thanks |
| 20:31.25 | abrotman | aapeli: lucky guess :) |
| 20:31.34 | abrotman | JediMaster: uh .. depends how big the drive is i guess |
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| 20:31.42 | JediMaster | oh crap, my maths was out, that was 1Gbyte from the end... still, it did it pretty quickly |
| 20:32.13 | JediMaster | it ran out of disk space and gave me: 1034123776 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 61.3728 seconds, 16.8 MB/s |
| 20:32.20 | Eulex | JediMaster, no important data on the disk, I hope? :) |
| 20:32.20 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:33.12 | JediMaster | Eulex: yes... lots... but it's part of a raid array, and the other disks are ok |
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| 20:34.11 | JediMaster | Eulex: however, when the machine crashed (because dell's stupid settings in the bios that shut down the machine at 50C) it seemed to trash the array when this disk was plugged in |
| 20:34.13 | jelly | JediMaster: you didn't see the great "why raid5 sucks" debate a day or so ago. |
| 20:34.22 | JediMaster | no, missed that |
| 20:34.30 | JediMaster | what was the outcome? =) |
| 20:34.50 | GeorgeS069 | raid sux period |
| 20:34.53 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 20:34.55 | JediMaster | lol |
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| 20:35.47 | jelly | JediMaster: ... well, you can get silent corruptions if one disk dies and another one is flaky. http://baarf.com/ was mentioned. |
| 20:35.50 | GeorgeS069 | so ofcourse I went right ahead and setup raid5 on 4 seagate 200gig drives and installed debian :) |
| 20:36.02 | jelly | GeorgeS069: hell yeah! |
| 20:36.25 | GeorgeS069 | hot spares do help when drives get "flaky" |
| 20:36.37 | jelly | GeorgeS069: for best results, disks should be from the same batch. ;-) |
| 20:36.55 | JediMaster | GeorgeS069: I don't have enough IDE channels for hot spares lol |
| 20:36.59 | GeorgeS069 | yup...all 4 are sequentialy numbered |
| 20:37.01 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
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| 20:37.18 | JediMaster | GeorgeS069: I've got 8 IDE devices on it =) |
| 20:37.29 | Akbar | red card! |
| 20:37.31 | JediMaster | plus I've run out of drive bays |
| 20:37.31 | GeorgeS069 | just throw in another ide cont. |
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| 20:37.46 | GeorgeS069 | I have all 4 on seperate cables |
| 20:37.49 | JediMaster | actually, I'm lying, I've got 2 SATA channels free |
| 20:37.51 | JediMaster | =) |
| 20:37.57 | jelly | GeorgeS069: I'm running here on 8 SATA disks, and have a hot spare. But the data's not that important. <g> |
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| 20:38.12 | oggis_ | running modern hard disks in the same cable is terrible anyway :( |
| 20:38.17 | mobility | anyone here have any luck using their mobile phone as modem?? |
| 20:38.29 | GeorgeS069 | I'm not totally depending on raid to kep my data safe....the whole thing is backed up on DVD's |
| 20:38.45 | fourat | am having problems with apt-get, it wont upgrade, install, nothing, here's a snapshot : http://pastebin.com/713760 |
| 20:38.51 | oggis_ | I once tried a RAID0 setup with 2 disks on the same ide channel, it was slower than a single disk ;) |
| 20:39.00 | JediMaster | lol |
| 20:39.02 | Akbar | backing up on dvd? |
| 20:39.03 | Akbar | :S |
| 20:39.25 | GeorgeS069 | sure |
| 20:39.32 | GeorgeS069 | just the important stuff |
| 20:39.42 | GeorgeS069 | web sites...mail...some configs |
| 20:39.55 | JediMaster | toodilypip and stuff |
| 20:40.06 | mobility | anyone here have any luck using their mobile phone as modem?? |
| 20:40.15 | JediMaster | thanks abrotman |
| 20:40.47 | oggis_ | mobility: yep I do gprs/edge |
| 20:41.25 | GeorgeS069 | Akbar: is there something wrong with backing up to a DVD?? |
| 20:41.44 | mobility | oggis_, nice did you use usbserial kernel module? |
| 20:41.56 | oggis_ | ah, no, I used bluetooth |
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| 20:42.18 | mobility | uhh.. ok. i'm connecting with usb cable here |
| 20:42.22 | Akbar | GeorgeS069: well dvd's can get scratched |
| 20:42.27 | oggis_ | haven't tried with the cable, bluetooth is more convenient anyway |
| 20:42.30 | mobility | have done it through bluetooth before though |
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| 20:43.14 | mobility | oggis_ thanks anyways |
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| 20:43.18 | Supaplex | what causes 5GB of mysq-bin* stuff to reside in /var/log/mysql ? |
| 20:43.21 | Akbar | GeorgeS069: just not reliable if you're backing up important data |
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| 20:43.55 | Akbar | but sure you can backup your data on anything |
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| 20:44.21 | GeorgeS069 | Akbar: what would you suggest then? |
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| 20:44.33 | Akbar | another drive.. or tape |
| 20:44.34 | oggis_ | I think DVD is more reliable than almost anything though? |
| 20:44.44 | USmarine | Supaplex, backup log |
| 20:44.53 | Akbar | another hd would be better I think :P |
| 20:44.56 | USmarine | to rewind transactions |
| 20:45.03 | oggis_ | what would be more reliable? not anything based on magnetism at least |
| 20:45.33 | oggis_ | sure DVD's are a lot clumsier than using another HD but more reliable |
| 20:45.36 | GeorgeS069 | last "tape" backup I used the tape melted from heat so that's out :) |
| 20:46.04 | GeorgeS069 | I never remove the DVD from the drive anyway...it's RW |
| 20:46.35 | abrotman | oggis_: DVDs rot |
| 20:46.59 | GeorgeS069 | !start backup war |
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| 20:47.21 | Akbar | oggis_: dvds are more sensitive to errors and stuff |
| 20:47.40 | Akbar | blah |
| 20:47.50 | Akbar | man this mirror is slow.. |
| 20:47.51 | oggis_ | well they're more sensitive to user error ;) |
| 20:48.10 | GeorgeS069 | drives suck...tape sucks...DVD's suck..what's left? |
| 20:48.14 | oggis_ | but they don't get bad sectors from nothing like hard disks eventually (well in a few decades at least) |
| 20:48.17 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: punch cards |
| 20:48.26 | servus_ | GeorgeS069: Flash cards. |
| 20:48.30 | Akbar | 70% of downloading debs ;/ |
| 20:48.36 | abrotman | flash is worse than tape or HDDs or DVDs |
| 20:48.51 | servus_ | Nooo, flash cards to help you remember all the data! |
| 20:48.56 | GeorgeS069 | multi-homed systems running raid0+1 with DVD and tape backups??? |
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| 20:49.11 | marco13185 | hmm, I'm having problems with python2.3 in unstable, dist-upgrade gives these errors: http://pastebin.com/713785 |
| 20:49.17 | marco13185 | any ideas? |
| 20:49.26 | abrotman | marco13185: check the BTS |
| 20:49.31 | abrotman | !info python-central sid |
| 20:49.37 | dpkg | python-central: (register and build utility for Python packages), section python, is standard. Version: 0.4.16 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 20:49.50 | war92 | having a prroblem with vnc under etch: could not open default font 'fixed' -> xsetroot: unable to open display 'l1.internal.lan:50 |
| 20:49.56 | war92 | anyone get that error? when they are trying to start up? |
| 20:49.57 | war92 | vnc |
| 20:50.17 | abrotman | !fixed |
| 20:50.17 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 20:50.33 | war92 | abrotman: it is installe,d I aslo get this error |
| 20:50.35 | war92 | error opening security policy file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy |
| 20:50.41 | war92 | abchirk: there a !bang for that one too? |
| 20:50.43 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 20:51.12 | abrotman | i think also .. make sure your vnc is reading the correct X conf file |
| 20:51.19 | war92 | hmm |
| 20:51.31 | abrotman | i'm assuming you mean vncserver .. not client |
| 20:51.35 | war92 | yes vncserver |
| 20:51.40 | war92 | have you gotten it to work? |
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| 20:51.45 | abrotman | yep .. make sure it's reading the correct X conf .. |
| 20:51.53 | war92 | how? |
| 20:52.00 | abrotman | war92: i don't use VNC for *nix boxes .. but others have had a somewhat similar problem |
| 20:52.07 | war92 | ah, hm |
| 20:52.08 | marco13185 | abrotman, nothing in the BTS |
| 20:52.08 | abrotman | war92: look in /etc/ .. find the VNC conf file |
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| 20:52.13 | abrotman | marco13185: yes tehre is |
| 20:52.26 | abrotman | marco13185: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373939 |
| 20:52.26 | war92 | ls: /etc/vnc/xstartup: No such file or directory |
| 20:52.40 | oggis_ | x over ssh ftw ;) |
| 20:52.55 | abrotman | war92: i don't know where the conf file is .. look for it a bit |
| 20:53.35 | signuts | What syslog level goes into the dmesg buffer? |
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| 20:54.36 | marco13185 | abrotman, the linked fix doesn't exist |
| 20:54.43 | marco13185 | 404 |
| 20:54.55 | abrotman | marco13185: it's moving to sid now .. give it a bit of time .. then run apt-get update and try again |
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| 20:55.39 | war92 | abrotman: I made my own but still no luck |
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| 20:56.05 | abrotman | war92: made your own? |
| 20:56.08 | war92 | from the man page |
| 20:56.09 | war92 | yup |
| 20:56.42 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=vncserver |
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| 20:56.53 | war92 | k will go rad |
| 20:56.55 | war92 | read |
| 20:57.06 | abrotman | look for something similar |
| 20:57.17 | Stevie | cross your fingers everybody |
| 20:57.32 | marco13185 | wtf, my fonts keep changing modes :S |
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| 20:58.01 | Stevie | meh. i need to lose weight. vitos will not assist with that |
| 20:58.22 | abrotman | Stevie: go over to VFNP .. and do some running |
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| 20:59.36 | Stevie | vfnp? |
| 20:59.53 | Stevie | haha |
| 20:59.59 | war92 | abrotman: darn, nothing fixed it |
| 21:00.09 | abrotman | Stevie: valley forge national park |
| 21:00.09 | Stevie | if you ask dpkg about bluetooth, he says "about as secure as shouting" |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | war92: nothing there? |
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| 21:00.18 | Stevie | ah, yeah. |
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| 21:00.35 | war92 | abrotman: nothing on either of the pages sir |
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| 21:00.48 | abrotman | war92: eh .. what's the error again ? |
| 21:01.27 | war92 | there's a lot of them |
| 21:01.58 | war92 | don't want to spam the channel |
| 21:02.01 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:02.01 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 21:02.10 | mne | hid3, I have a problem with X11forwarding. I modified sshd_config so that it allows X11forwarding, but it doesn't work. ON the machine itself is no xserver installed. i used the same sshd_config on another machine (on the local LAN) where is works just fine. any hints ? |
| 21:02.30 | dusty | dpkg: why the move over to OFTC? |
| 21:02.30 | war92 | 1 moment abrotman |
| 21:02.32 | mne | argh, somethimes xchat autocompletion gets pretty nasty |
| 21:02.37 | abrotman | !oftc move |
| 21:02.37 | dpkg | oftc move is probably irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th [see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html ] Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | !tell mne about sshx |
| 21:02.53 | streuner | dusty: no need to, the bot is there. |
| 21:02.57 | war92 | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2859 |
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| 21:03.46 | Serinity | mne, i agree on xchat's completion, it REALLY sucks |
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| 21:03.56 | mne | abrotman, thank you. On the serve machine there was no xauth. I'm just installind it |
| 21:04.31 | servus_ | Just because I type "Ser" and hit tab and can't hit tab again to get to Serinity? |
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| 21:04.57 | servus_ | Or that it completes to SerajewelK who hasn't posted in Arf knows how long? |
| 21:05.02 | dusty | I was just wondering because someone who is causing lilo nastiness is using it to bolster his point. |
| 21:05.12 | dusty | in any event. peace :) |
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| 21:05.30 | Serinity | No, because sometimes you start to type a name, hit tab and completes to an other nick where it should stop and show you available nicks |
| 21:05.36 | Serinity | like it was doing before |
| 21:05.42 | war92 | abrotman: any clues |
| 21:05.46 | Serinity | but seems the completion got broken at some point |
| 21:05.46 | abrotman | war92: |
| 21:05.47 | abrotman | war92: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-fdbbfad9b02233b11ba1572a631827697766afc4 |
| 21:05.51 | servus_ | That's what I'm saying. It should otherwise let me hit tab to toggle through Ser.* completions. |
| 21:05.59 | war92 | k |
| 21:06.02 | abrotman | dusty: huh ? |
| 21:06.03 | mne | or you accidently press <tab> and you wake up some guy sleeping :P |
| 21:06.11 | vaib | where is the default setting for umask in debian ?? |
| 21:06.11 | war92 | abrotman: I tried that |
| 21:06.21 | Serinity | servus_, if there's other nicks starting by ser, yes |
| 21:06.23 | vaib | or how can i set a default value |
| 21:06.24 | abrotman | war92: but you still don't have the fixed font .. you shuld resolve that first |
| 21:06.24 | Serinity | it's like |
| 21:06.44 | Serinity | type ser and press tab you'll get SerajewelKS |
| 21:06.48 | servus_ | Seems to just choose the first alphabetical hit and stick with that. |
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| 21:06.57 | Serinity | yes |
| 21:06.59 | marco13185 | in older versions it would show you this list first |
| 21:07.01 | dusty | abrotman:: http://www.adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/06/11/the-liberation-of-freenode-part-9/ |
| 21:07.01 | marco13185 | *the |
| 21:07.03 | oggis_ | i got servus, my client rokages ;) |
| 21:07.07 | servus_ | You said his full name! He's gonna get a beep-highlight and be annoyed that it wasn't anything important *grin* |
| 21:07.09 | Serinity | yes, i got broken |
| 21:07.13 | Serinity | was woorking before |
| 21:07.15 | oggis_ | serinity second |
| 21:07.20 | jelly | Serinity: works for me if I just keep tabbing. |
| 21:07.26 | Serinity | Has this bug been reported ? (I guess it's been) |
| 21:07.29 | dusty | abrotman:: I run #space here, and that blog is run by a cat named Diablo-d3, who is just nasty. |
| 21:07.30 | abrotman | dusty: except ... as you can see .. 800 users haven't gone to OFTC |
| 21:07.35 | dusty | right. |
| 21:07.38 | dusty | :) |
| 21:07.42 | Serinity | jelly, by tabbing again ? |
| 21:07.50 | Serinity | oh, ok |
| 21:07.57 | Serinity | different behaviior |
| 21:07.58 | jelly | Serinity: yes, other nicks are displayed. |
| 21:08.02 | war92 | abrotman: fixed it |
| 21:08.04 | abrotman | dusty: admittedly .. the channel is slowly shrinking .. and sometimes it's pretty quiet .. but oh well |
| 21:08.05 | abrotman | war92: ? |
| 21:08.06 | servus_ | Does xorg come standard with some sort of... crazy antialiased font on everything? I upgraded XFree->Xorg and everything's all fuzzylike. Not bad, just different. |
| 21:08.09 | war92 | The 'fixed' font is needed for the server to start - if it can't find it, you need to specify the correct font path for your machine in the 'vncserver' script. If you're not sure what the path should be, type 'xset q' from within a normal X session. One of the things reported is the font path used by your current X server, which is generally the right thing to use for Xvnc. On some platforms you may need to use a colon as a separator in the font path instead of |
| 21:08.09 | war92 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.10 | Serinity | allright, thanks, i learnt something today |
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| 21:08.16 | war92 | abrotman: I added the output of that into my /etc/vnc.conf for the |
| 21:08.18 | abrotman | war92: i said that! |
| 21:08.19 | war92 | $fontPath |
| 21:08.21 | abrotman | grrr |
| 21:08.31 | war92 | sorry |
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| 21:08.39 | abrotman | chii: who owns you |
| 21:08.47 | abrotman | chii: hi |
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| 21:08.53 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 21:08.53 | oggis_ | chiii! |
| 21:08.57 | streuner | hm, not a blootbot then |
| 21:09.12 | abrotman | chii: help |
| 21:09.14 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:09.19 | Eulex | chii: commands |
| 21:09.21 | oggis_ | chii: pants |
| 21:09.27 | Eulex | logging bot? |
| 21:09.33 | abrotman | dusty: there were a number of reasons for the move .. |
| 21:10.01 | vaib | can somebody help me with umask .. |
| 21:10.16 | vaib | how do i set umask ? |
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| 21:10.48 | oggis_ | type umask? |
| 21:10.51 | abrotman | !umask |
| 21:10.52 | dpkg | well, umask is 'man 2 umask', or there is no manpage for umask, or the apt-get install manpages-dev to install the manpage for umask |
| 21:11.38 | mne | vaib, you can simply pass the umask value to the other mount options in /etc/stab. like umask=000 |
| 21:12.15 | oggis_ | maybe he meant umask (1p) |
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| 21:13.31 | vaib | well to my problem ... i used bastille and it set my umask to 077. After that when i run rsync with a use "xyz" my webserver is not able to read it as it runs with diff user. I want to revert back to 022 |
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| 21:14.15 | apokryphos | anyone know of the name of the little flame screensaver from xcscreensaver? |
| 21:14.32 | apokryphos | Just can't seem to see it |
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| 21:15.23 | frodo_ | They disabled the root login to xwindows by default? |
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| 21:15.53 | krassy | hi , when i try to install xfonts-cyrillic package the system say :warning: /etc/X11/fonts/cyrillic does not exist or is not a directory . What i have to do ? |
| 21:16.42 | abrotman | make it? |
| 21:16.51 | abrotman | frodo_: hopefully |
| 21:16.54 | mne | apokryphos, XFlame i think |
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| 21:17.18 | apokryphos | mne: nah, this one changes colour and is in the middle |
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| 21:17.34 | mne | apokryphos, then I don't know ;( |
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| 21:18.01 | frodo_ | I was trying to run kde user mangment but you need root |
| 21:18.40 | ajdlinux | frodo_: use sudo |
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| 21:19.14 | frodo_ | Then run kde user mangement from shell? |
| 21:19.31 | abrotman | try sux |
| 21:19.54 | frodo_ | sudo |
| 21:19.57 | frodo_ | Oops |
| 21:20.33 | frodo_ | ok |
| 21:21.16 | myren | how do i get information from a SCSI drive? |
| 21:21.32 | myren | afaik, scsi drives store information like how long they've been run, &c &c |
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| 21:23.39 | krassy | abortman:please help me |
| 21:23.46 | mne | anyone ever tried xCAT ? I've an old IBM server, could be that the toolkit works for monitoring ? |
| 21:23.58 | abrotman | krassy: huh ? |
| 21:24.03 | abrotman | krassy: make the directory |
| 21:24.40 | krassy | abortman:10x |
| 21:24.48 | GeorgeS069 | krassy: mkdir /etc/X11/fonts/cyrillic |
| 21:24.53 | robin_sz | meep? |
| 21:25.11 | Akbar | is etch xorg broken? |
| 21:25.20 | Akbar | no module found :S |
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| 21:26.07 | Serinity | My boss is gone... It's friday.... time to startup supertux !!! |
| 21:26.46 | ajdlinux | yay! |
| 21:27.02 | Shadowcat | time to mail Serinity's boss |
| 21:27.14 | abrotman | Akbar: that's a bit vague |
| 21:27.18 | servus_ | Lots of cows in here. |
| 21:27.18 | abrotman | GeorgeS069: you forgot -p :) |
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| 21:27.39 | Akbar | abrotman: even dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg shows only tree videocard modules.. |
| 21:27.43 | Serinity | Shadowcat, I'm the only one that knows about linux here.... and all our servers run linux... your call ? |
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| 21:27.56 | abrotman | Akbar: you have to install the ones you need .. |
| 21:28.12 | servus_ | Akbar: apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video |
| 21:28.21 | Shadowcat | Serinity: I'll just tell your boss you're gaming on the servers |
| 21:28.23 | Akbar | ohhhh |
| 21:28.25 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 21:28.30 | Serinity | lol |
| 21:28.32 | Akbar | seperated :o |
| 21:28.34 | cds | I've updated X using apt, and now it's not starting. It says "Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server". Anyone knwo of a fix? |
| 21:28.41 | Serinity | Not on the servers, my workstation |
| 21:28.45 | Serinity | "work" station |
| 21:28.47 | Serinity | hehe |
| 21:28.49 | Shadowcat | !spell seperated |
| 21:28.50 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 21:28.54 | Shadowcat | uhh |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | dictionary.com! |
| 21:29.02 | Shadowcat | !dict seperated |
| 21:29.04 | dpkg | could not find definition for seperated |
| 21:29.05 | mne | cds, read the logs /var/log/Xorg.log (or similar) |
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| 21:29.11 | Shadowcat | hmm where did that function go |
| 21:29.12 | Stevie | what does !spell do? |
| 21:29.17 | abrotman | chii: are you broken? |
| 21:29.24 | Stevie | !literla cmd: spell (.*?) |
| 21:29.26 | abrotman | Stevie: it's supposed to help spell |
| 21:29.27 | Stevie | !literal cmd: spell (.*?) |
| 21:29.30 | abrotman | @spell stufff |
| 21:29.34 | ravenbird | possible spellings for stufff: stuff stuffy stiff stuffer staff stuffs Steffi stuffed stiffer stiffs stuffier Steffie staffer scuff snuff Stefa staffs staff's |
| 21:29.41 | Stevie | Stefa |
| 21:29.53 | Shadowcat | @spell seperated |
| 21:29.55 | ravenbird | possible spellings for seperated: separated serrated separates separate suppurated operated spirited speared sprayed prated sprouted secreted serpented aspirated pirated sported spurted supered superheated uprated |
| 21:30.08 | Stevie | I gotta pick up all of the Stefa on my floor |
| 21:30.23 | cds | mne: I see nothing of interest in there :/ |
| 21:31.04 | mne | cds, there should be at least some errors in it that might help you finding the reason why your X server doesn't start |
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| 21:31.24 | cds | mne: All I get is "Useful commands to run include:" |
| 21:31.33 | cds | In XFree86.0.log |
| 21:32.09 | cds | Lets see if I have these packages it mentions. |
| 21:32.31 | mne | cds, hmm, doesn't sound familiar. What happens if you just try to start the X server by executing "X" ? |
| 21:32.36 | cds | Hm, I installed x-windows-system, still nothing. |
| 21:33.00 | cds | "/etc/X11/X is not executable" |
| 21:33.09 | Akbar | cds and startx? |
| 21:33.10 | Akbar | :P |
| 21:33.27 | cds | Akbar: The error message I typed above. |
| 21:33.39 | Shadowcat | doesn't ANYONE in here read the darn warning you got when you upgraded |
| 21:33.44 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 21:33.44 | Shadowcat | go install xserver-xorg |
| 21:33.48 | Shadowcat | it's probably not installed |
| 21:33.56 | cds | Shadowcat: Yeah, but afaik it doesn't seem related. |
| 21:34.01 | cds | Shadowcat: I have it. |
| 21:34.11 | Shadowcat | if you have it do a chmod then |
| 21:34.20 | blondie | Shadowcat: can't dpkg/whatever *tell* if it's installed? :P |
| 21:34.35 | mne | cds /etc/X11/X should be a symlink to /usr/bin/X, and that should be the executable of the X server. If you don't have it, it seems like you have no xserver installed :P |
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| 21:34.44 | Shadowcat | blondie: most people on testing didn't read that warning, and I doubt that they know dpkg that well |
| 21:35.08 | abrotman | why am i still at work .. bah |
| 21:35.08 | Shadowcat | mne: which comes back to WHY didn't you read the warning in the first place |
| 21:35.14 | Shadowcat | $10 says it's not installed |
| 21:35.39 | blondie | I read it, but it was still installed afterwards :) |
| 21:35.39 | abrotman | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 21:35.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching xserver-xorg |
| 21:35.40 | mne | Shadowcat, yup |
| 21:35.40 | cds | Shadowcat: xserver-xorg? It's installed. |
| 21:35.40 | Shadowcat | abrotman: because we broke one more server just to kee pyou up late :P |
| 21:35.40 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 21:35.40 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 21:35.44 | abrotman | Shadowcat: oddly.. i'm patching servers :) |
| 21:35.47 | Shadowcat | cds: can you CONFIRM that? |
| 21:35.53 | Shadowcat | i.e. are you 120% sure? |
| 21:35.54 | cds | Shadowcat: Yes, I can. |
| 21:36.02 | cds | Since apt said already installed. |
| 21:36.13 | abrotman | Shadowcat: it's easier when noone is here :) |
| 21:36.20 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 21:36.25 | cds | What do I want my default to be? xorg or xfree? |
| 21:36.27 | Shadowcat | type aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 21:36.29 | Shadowcat | then try again |
| 21:36.30 | abrotman | dpkg -l xserver-xorg | tail -1 |
| 21:36.30 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg | tail -1 2.7-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 21:37.07 | goudkov | hey guys, i installed a software raid, but after reboot all /dev/md* are gone. are i missing some modules in initrd? |
| 21:37.46 | goudkov | if i mknod an md0 then everything works fine, but on the next reboot, it's gone |
| 21:37.47 | Akbar | hahah gnome-panel flickers.. |
| 21:37.59 | Akbar | that application menu |
| 21:38.09 | Kerr | i'm having trouble starting firefox :-/ tried starting it directly, tried giving it the lib it wanted, no joy :-/ |
| 21:38.13 | Kerr | #/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin |
| 21:38.13 | Kerr | #/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxpcom_core.so: cannot open shared objectfile: No such file or directory |
| 21:38.16 | Kerr | #sudo ln -s /usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so /usr/lib |
| 21:38.18 | Kerr | #/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin |
| 21:38.21 | Kerr | #Segmentation fault |
| 21:38.23 | Kerr | .. it worked yesterday, i don't get it |
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| 21:38.31 | Shadowcat | Kerr: STOP PASTING |
| 21:38.37 | Shadowcat | !tell Kerr about paste |
| 21:38.44 | abrotman | !find libxpcom_core.so etch |
| 21:38.53 | abrotman | !tell Kerr about search |
| 21:38.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libxpcom_core.so' (3): (/usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so) in web/firefox ;; (/usr/lib/thunderbird/libxpcom_core.so) in mail/thunderbird ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/firefox/libxpcom_core.so) in web/firefox-dbg. |
| 21:39.04 | Kerr | !tell Shadowcat four lines into an dead channel does not constitute a flood :-/ |
| 21:39.09 | Kerr | a^ |
| 21:39.15 | abrotman | it's not dead in here |
| 21:39.32 | Shadowcat | and four lines does constitute a flood |
| 21:39.35 | Kerr | i'd have used pastebin if there was much activity, but i thought four lines was the max allowed |
| 21:39.50 | Shadowcat | Kerr: well I just won't help you then if you're gonna argue |
| 21:40.10 | abrotman | i already did help him |
| 21:40.19 | Erudified | How can I make X listen on a TCP port? |
| 21:40.19 | beardy | !lose abrotman |
| 21:40.19 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
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| 21:40.27 | cds | Kerr: That was like 8. |
| 21:40.42 | azeem | Erudified: are you using gdm? You can modify its config to do that |
| 21:40.49 | Erudified | nah |
| 21:40.51 | Erudified | I use 'startx' |
| 21:40.59 | USmarine | lol |
| 21:41.02 | azeem | Erudified: what do you want to do? |
| 21:41.13 | Erudified | I want to make X accept incoming connections over the network... |
| 21:41.14 | Akbar | damn gnome-menu borked |
| 21:41.17 | Erudified | not over ssh |
| 21:41.19 | Erudified | over a local network |
| 21:41.21 | azeem | Erudified: why? |
| 21:41.23 | abrotman | Akbar: is menu-xdg installed ? |
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| 21:41.29 | Erudified | what the fuck does it matter? |
| 21:41.30 | Shadowcat | !tell Erudified about scroll |
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| 21:41.32 | abrotman | nice |
| 21:41.43 | lafs | hello people. |
| 21:41.49 | azeem | Erudified: well, anyway, start X directly with the -listen option maybe |
| 21:41.50 | Akbar | yeah |
| 21:42.00 | lafs | i would like to ask something. |
| 21:42.07 | Shadowcat | !tell lafs about ask |
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| 21:42.09 | Akbar | I can see it remove/add it.. but it flickers on and off if I click it |
| 21:42.13 | Shadowcat | azeem: it's not Sunday yet is it? |
| 21:42.25 | azeem | why? |
| 21:42.32 | Akbar | it's only the application menu, not the places and stuff |
| 21:42.37 | lafs | does anyone here has knowledge about socket programming. (POSIX). |
| 21:42.43 | lafs | ? |
| 21:42.43 | abrotman | Akbar: oh .. check the bts on gnome-panel ... |
| 21:42.47 | abrotman | lafs: have you asked ##c ? |
| 21:42.49 | azeem | lafs: read Stevens |
| 21:42.51 | Shadowcat | azeem: just seems a lot more rowdy in here today |
| 21:42.59 | azeem | crowdy? |
| 21:43.03 | abrotman | no .. rowdy |
| 21:43.04 | beardy | lafs: Ask a channel dedicated to the language you are writing in instead. |
| 21:43.17 | mne | lafs, http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ |
| 21:43.19 | azeem | uhm, I thought rowdy is like rough? |
| 21:43.24 | ajdlinux | yes |
| 21:43.25 | abrotman | it is |
| 21:43.30 | Shadowcat | !dict rowdy |
| 21:43.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'rowdy' (2): disturbing the public peace; loud and rough; "a raucous party"; "rowdy teenagers" ;; a cruel and brutal fellow . |
| 21:43.53 | azeem | ok, I just reattached a couple of minutes ago, maybe I missed the action |
| 21:43.55 | lafs | C programming. |
| 21:43.56 | Kerr | it's already using (or failing to use) the lib now, and segfaults.. i don't really see how this is gonna help :-/ |
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| 21:44.05 | mne | lafs, alternatively google "socket programming". there are ton's of docs |
| 21:44.06 | lafs | suggestions? |
| 21:44.07 | cds | abrotman: Reconfiguring X did the trick. |
| 21:44.16 | cds | Thanks, and thanks to everyone else. |
| 21:44.27 | lafs | i wan to ask something specific. |
| 21:44.42 | Shadowcat | lafs: this isn't a programming channel |
| 21:44.43 | azeem | lafs: then you should go ahead |
| 21:45.06 | Shadowcat | but you can still ask and see if someone knows, don't hold your breath though |
| 21:45.07 | lafs | i have read almost everything from google, yahoo, etc.. search results.. |
| 21:45.08 | abrotman | lafs: have you asked ##c ? |
| 21:45.22 | azeem | lafs: either you ask your question *once*, or you just drop the topic |
| 21:45.40 | azeem | lafs: don't give a talk about it |
| 21:45.51 | GeorgeS069 | sockets suck |
| 21:45.52 | lafs | I'll ask there `##c', ok. |
| 21:45.55 | lafs | but, |
| 21:46.00 | Shadowcat | azeem: see why I was wondering if it was Sunday? |
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| 21:46.23 | GeorgeS069 | It's sunday???shit....I'm screwed |
| 21:46.32 | streuner | hehe :-) |
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| 21:46.52 | GeorgeS069 | thought I had all wekend to get email working |
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| 21:47.22 | tuv | i have two hosts behind a router each running sshd on a different forwarded port. ssh refuses to connect to two different machines using the same ip/hostanme though! how can i resolve this? |
| 21:47.44 | lafs | I have created a terminal random message server. What i want to know is: how can i run it always to the same port? |
| 21:47.48 | tuv | i'm trying to connect from outside tthe router |
| 21:47.48 | GeorgeS069 | streuner: yup...gotta get postfix setup on the debian system I've been building |
| 21:47.53 | frodo_ | Shadowcat Hi and how are you doing? |
| 21:47.53 | dpkg | frodo_: you know how it is... |
| 21:47.55 | servus_ | tuv: Make a new hostname via /etc/hosts or whatnot? |
| 21:48.08 | servus_ | 123.45.67.89 machine1.host machine2.host |
| 21:48.10 | lafs | After my server termination i can't use the same port. |
| 21:48.33 | tuv | servus_, can i have two different hosts with the same ip in /etc/hosts? i don't think the second hostname will be ever reached |
| 21:48.37 | lafs | I have to change the port because i get an error saying that the port isn't released. |
| 21:48.41 | azeem | lafs: did you check netstat? Maybe you forgot to properly close the port and it is waiting for a timeout |
| 21:48.56 | tuv | servus_, hmm.. let me try this |
| 21:48.59 | servus_ | Absolutely you can, tuv. Just use a different hostname for each ssh connection and ssh won't know the difference. |
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| 21:49.18 | GeorgeS069 | well,I got samba,dns and apache2 setup with all the domains...just the email links don't work:) |
| 21:49.21 | servus_ | tuv: Consider all those dozens of websites running on the same machine/IP address. It's similar to that. |
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| 21:49.56 | xuser | Hi, how do i find a word in a dir? |
| 21:50.03 | tuv | servus_, yup.. i confused it with the other way around. one host with multiple ips on different lines |
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| 21:50.10 | Vasistha | xuser: use 'find' with -name |
| 21:50.11 | dongs | someone wants to halp me figure out why ipsec doesnt work? tunnel is up, but i cant ping the other endpoint from either machine, using racoon w/pre-shared keys and setkey. do i need anything special to actually allow the packets to go through once tunnel is setup? |
| 21:50.22 | azeem | xuser: you mean inside the files of a dir? |
| 21:50.36 | xuser | azeem: inside files. |
| 21:50.40 | azeem | xuser: grep |
| 21:50.45 | lafs | <azeem>: Nice question. But, how can i close a port? I close both the server's and client's socket. |
| 21:50.52 | lafs | Is it possible to close a port? |
| 21:50.55 | xuser | Vasistha: oki. |
| 21:50.58 | Vasistha | lafs: with a firewall... |
| 21:51.03 | lafs | I should ask to `##c' for it. |
| 21:51.12 | azeem | lafs: or read Stevens |
| 21:51.21 | Vasistha | xuser: actually you probably want grep, if you mean the word is contained inside the file, rather than in the file NAME |
| 21:51.30 | lafs | Who is Stevens? 1997? |
| 21:51.31 | azeem | Vasistha: I just said that |
| 21:51.42 | xuser | azeem: Its a bunch files inside a dir. |
| 21:51.42 | frodo_ | I like the x86 assembler |
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| 21:51.46 | Vasistha | azeem: I know, I assumed he was confused ;-) |
| 21:51.53 | Shadowcat | !confuse Vasistha |
| 21:51.53 | dpkg | Yes, where are your gouda tomorrow, Vasistha? breeches of the democracy of swaziland with extra ham |
| 21:52.01 | Vasistha | 42! |
| 21:52.03 | azeem | xuser: so grep <word> * |
| 21:52.03 | servus_ | Mmm, extra ham. |
| 21:52.15 | frodo_ | Hi Servus |
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| 21:53.12 | lafs | I don't want to close the port after the program terminates. e.g. FIREWALL. |
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| 21:53.33 | lafs | terminate and run, terminate and run.. that's i want. |
| 21:53.45 | azeem | lafs: as has been said, you will get better advice in a programming chan |
| 21:54.20 | lafs | ok. thank you very much. cu later. |
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| 21:55.03 | robin_sz | tcp/ip illustrated, vol 2 |
| 21:55.11 | Akbar | nice.. fixed.. |
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| 21:55.39 | GeorgeS069 | dpkg fix my email server |
| 21:56.01 | GeorgeS069 | ack....postfix just got neuterd |
| 21:56.04 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 21:57.39 | azeem | GeorgeS069: do you have an actual question? |
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| 21:58.23 | GeorgeS069 | azeem no...sorry..I'll be quiet now |
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| 22:03.22 | omry_ | anyone knows why mencoder is missing from the mplayer package on etch? |
| 22:03.38 | azeem | isn't it in a seperate package on its own? |
| 22:03.50 | omry_ | not that I have found it. |
| 22:03.52 | beardy | omry_: It's not in etch. And probably what azeem said. |
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| 22:04.47 | omry_ | beardy, its not in etch at all? the mplayer README.Debian file says in the title "mplayer and mencoder" |
| 22:04.49 | De_Mon | Sweet! func_odbc is in the latest debians asterisk package beers for everyone! |
| 22:05.08 | azeem | omry_: mplayer isn't, either |
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| 22:05.27 | ajdlinux | mplayer and mencoder are in http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:05.30 | beardy | omry_: It's not in Debian at all, it's available packaged on marillat, which is an unofficial repository. |
| 22:05.39 | beardy | ajdlinux: ... |
| 22:05.40 | abxccd | there's a viedeo player capable of wmv3 ? |
| 22:06.17 | ajdlinux | well marillats repo is now debian-multimedia |
| 22:06.18 | Vasistha | abxccd: dunno, check mplayer and w32codecs |
| 22:06.28 | omry_ | beardy, I see.. (I remember adding marillat as a source). |
| 22:06.47 | ajdlinux | you need to update it though if you havent already changed to its new address |
| 22:07.01 | beardy | ajdlinux: I see. |
| 22:07.53 | Vasistha | abxccd: /msg dpkg w32codecs ... also, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 22:08.23 | ajdlinux | !marillat |
| 22:08.23 | dpkg | i heard marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 22:08.35 | yetistomps | i was able to succefuslly setup Samba and now i can see my reiserfs data drive from my winxp box (to the Slack box).. HOwever, I cannot put files there or delete any.. eventhough I checked rw in /etc/fstab and i checked smb.conf as well. what gives? |
| 22:08.42 | yetistomps | i meant debian box. |
| 22:08.47 | yetistomps | i have three boxes |
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| 22:09.14 | war92 | Any pine experts here? |
| 22:09.32 | beardy | war92: Just ask your question. |
| 22:09.35 | Shadowcat | !tell war92 about ask |
| 22:09.40 | war92 | Any pine experts here? WHen you set a folder to sort by (Group-Conversation), shift-$ and then hit H, it sorts them by the conversation, is there a way to make it look like this BY DEFAULT when I open the flder? |
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| 22:10.25 | [Cadet] | anybody know if there is a preseed variable that can be set to bypass/acknowledge the x11-common upgrade issues dialog? |
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| 22:11.01 | yetistomps | i have three boxes |
| 22:11.04 | yetistomps | i was able to succefuslly setup Samba and now i can see my reiserfs data drive from my winxp box (to the Slack box).. HOwever, I cannot put files there or delete any.. eventhough I checked rw in /etc/fstab and i checked smb.conf as well. what gives? |
| 22:11.26 | Drizzt321 | anyone have any idea when enlightenment 17 is going to be coming to debian? even in unstable I can only see 16.7.2 |
| 22:11.38 | beardy | !tell yetistomps -about repeat |
| 22:12.05 | yetistomps | the permissions of the /data partition are 777 |
| 22:12.06 | zinx | Drizzt321: when it gets a maintainer.. |
| 22:12.11 | yetistomps | !confuse beardy |
| 22:12.11 | dpkg | No, who are our badger yesterday, beardy? shirts of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra anchovies |
| 22:12.13 | Drizzt321 | zinx: ah, ok. |
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| 22:12.30 | jaggz1 | I keep forgetting, how do I complete some dependency installations if one isn't found when I dpkg -i it? |
| 22:12.33 | Drizzt321 | zinx: well, I know I'm not up enough to be a maintainer...at least not right now :( |
| 22:12.33 | timemob | hi |
| 22:12.39 | Drizzt321 | zinx: any talk of someone wanting to do it? |
| 22:12.40 | ajdlinux | hi |
| 22:13.01 | timemob | need help setting up ipsec |
| 22:13.07 | beardy | yetistomps: Fine. |
| 22:13.29 | Drizzt321 | timemob: well, I know very little about it, but have you at least read the docs and tried some google searches? |
| 22:13.39 | timemob | connecting linux to hw vpn/ipsec router. |
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| 22:13.41 | dondelelcaro | [Cadet]: it's x11-common/upgrade_issues; but I'm not sure what value it wants |
| 22:13.49 | zinx | Drizzt321: no idea.. might check the dd archives |
| 22:13.59 | dondelelcaro | [Cadet]: probably setting it to 1 or anything will work. |
| 22:14.03 | Drizzt321 | zinx: ok, thanks |
| 22:14.08 | timemob | tunnel is up but cant ping either end |
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| 22:14.32 | fhffhqvb | isn't UV-light bad for your components? |
| 22:14.55 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: only if you have a EPROM chip in there |
| 22:14.57 | Drizzt321 | far as I know |
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| 22:15.33 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: EPROMs are erased by exposure to UV light |
| 22:15.33 | fhffhqvb | Drizzt321: do you know if it's actually UV-light on those casefans or just purple light? |
| 22:15.36 | timemob | yea i read docs. thats why the tunnel is up. but cant ping the vpn ends |
| 22:15.58 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: depends, usually UV, but I suppose its possible some of them are purple |
| 22:16.11 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: in a regular computer, there are no EPROM chips |
| 22:16.13 | fhffhqvb | i need a 90x90 casefan for Piggy's new box and they don't seem to sell them without UV-light |
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| 22:16.26 | timemob | heh |
| 22:16.31 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: you mean you want purple, but not UV? |
| 22:16.46 | fhffhqvb | Drizzt321: i don't really want or need lights on a fan. |
| 22:16.57 | timemob | i dont think he wants a light atall |
| 22:16.59 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: there are plenty of non-lit 90 fans out there |
| 22:17.05 | Drizzt321 | not hard to find |
| 22:17.16 | fhffhqvb | Drizzt321: this store only seems to sell with lights. |
| 22:17.21 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: online I should say |
| 22:17.26 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: check newegg, or zipzoomfly |
| 22:17.28 | dondelelcaro | fhffhqvb: heh. you've found a casemod store |
| 22:17.32 | fhffhqvb | Drizzt321: remember, it's a 90x90 fan, not 80x80 |
| 22:17.33 | Serinity | lol @ this ---> pH33r m33 ussr 5<1Llz, n00b3rz!!!!! L0LoL0L: "You appear to be having some difficulty with your recently-purchased system; please allow me to help, sir." |
| 22:17.35 | Drizzt321 | yea, I know |
| 22:17.37 | fhffhqvb | Drizzt321: i'm not in the US. |
| 22:17.40 | Drizzt321 | oh |
| 22:17.43 | timemob | omg someone halp w/ipsec or tell me a better channel to ask in |
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| 22:17.57 | Drizzt321 | erm...I know there is 1 or 2 non-us places that sell that kind of stuff |
| 22:17.59 | Drizzt321 | drat, I can't remember |
| 22:18.02 | abxccd | video in fullscreen is EXTREMLY slow why ? |
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| 22:18.09 | abxccd | (mplayer) |
| 22:18.11 | dondelelcaro | fhffhqvb: you should be able to rip out or disable the uv light thing |
| 22:18.13 | fhffhqvb | abxccd: bunnies |
| 22:18.14 | amphi | abxccd: mplayer? |
| 22:18.17 | timemob | abx: linux |
| 22:18.27 | fhffhqvb | dondelelcaro: i will surely try. |
| 22:18.31 | dondelelcaro | a small drill tends to do wonders for disabling led |
| 22:18.32 | Drizzt321 | fhffhqvb: yea, you can pretty easily rip out the led's |
| 22:18.48 | Drizzt321 | its just an extra little thing around the outside of the fan chassis that contains the led's |
| 22:19.13 | [Cadet] | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 22:19.30 | Drizzt321 | abxccd: what vid card do you have? |
| 22:19.41 | abxccd | yes playing a video wiith mplayer works fine in normal windows EXTREMELY slow in fs |
| 22:19.44 | timemob | hello can someone help me troubleshoot ipsec vpn or point me to a channel i can ask in |
| 22:19.48 | abxccd | nvidia tnt2 |
| 22:19.53 | Drizzt321 | what cpu? |
| 22:20.00 | abxccd | piii |
| 22:20.03 | Drizzt321 | speed? |
| 22:20.13 | abxccd | 1.0ghz |
| 22:20.15 | fhffhqvb | Piggy's getting a dual p3-550 with a 9.1GB ultra scsi drive |
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| 22:20.24 | Drizzt321 | do you have the nvidia binary drivers? |
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| 22:20.28 | Drizzt321 | or the open source ones? |
| 22:20.38 | Vasistha | abxccd: it's probably doing software blow-up (forgot the term!) See if you can change the screen resolution -- there's actually an mplayer option that attempts to change the screen resolution when playback starts |
| 22:20.42 | abxccd | driver name is nv |
| 22:20.48 | Drizzt321 | cause the binary ones probably will help alot |
| 22:20.52 | Drizzt321 | yea, you're using the open source ones |
| 22:20.55 | timemob | huhuhu |
| 22:20.58 | timemob | ~help |
| 22:21.10 | Akbar | etch is sexy :P |
| 22:21.27 | Drizzt321 | Akbar: except no E17 at the moment :( |
| 22:21.37 | Akbar | soulmachine? |
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| 22:21.48 | Drizzt321 | hrm? |
| 22:21.59 | timemob | so... |
| 22:22.01 | Akbar | that soulmachine repository has deb packages for e17 right? |
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| 22:22.21 | amphi | abxccd: try mplayer -vo xv |
| 22:22.31 | Drizzt321 | Akbar: where is that repository?!? |
| 22:22.45 | abxccd | that's fine |
| 22:23.12 | amphi | abxccd: works nice fullscreen ? |
| 22:23.16 | Akbar | Drizzt321, http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
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| 22:23.23 | abxccd | yes |
| 22:23.23 | Drizzt321 | Akbar: sweet, thanks |
| 22:23.23 | Akbar | check it out |
| 22:23.30 | abxccd | at least in terms of speed |
| 22:24.04 | amphi | abxccd: so do 'echo vo=xv >> ~/.mplayer/config so you don't need to type -vo xv every time |
| 22:24.16 | abxccd | thx |
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| 22:24.45 | amphi | abxccd: sorry, forgot the closing ', but it's clear where it should be ;) |
| 22:24.57 | abxccd | np |
| 22:25.24 | abxccd | just a question if i move the mouse on the video window i creates a blurry sqaure |
| 22:25.29 | abxccd | there's a fix ? |
| 22:26.03 | amphi | abxccd: don't do that ;) |
| 22:26.03 | abxccd | :P |
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| 22:27.05 | jaggz1 | apt-get -f install hm |
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| 22:27.11 | abxccd | it's normal the seeking on a streaming video causes player to crash |
| 22:27.12 | abxccd | ? |
| 22:27.48 | amphi | no |
| 22:27.59 | abxccd | ;( |
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| 22:28.56 | abxccd | fixable ? |
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| 22:31.29 | amphi | abxccd: dunno, it doesn't do that here, or it hasn't - I don't watch too much streeming meeja |
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| 22:35.51 | kingspawn | I'm having some real trouble with my via sound chipset. I've unmuted everything, and done "the regular stuff", but still no luck. Anyone seen this? |
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| 22:37.03 | Drizzt321 | kingspawn: are your speakers turned on/plugged in? |
| 22:37.14 | Drizzt321 | kingspawn: and plugged into the right jack? |
| 22:37.28 | JeffH | what package do I need to install to get my system to power down when I press the off button? |
| 22:37.33 | ajdlinux | acpid |
| 22:37.36 | ajdlinux | afair |
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| 22:37.41 | kingspawn | Drizzt321: Heh, yeah. I had sound with 2.4-kernel, but it went out the window with 2.6 |
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| 22:37.52 | Drizzt321 | kingspawn: umm...did you run alsaconf after installing 2.6? |
| 22:38.54 | netsurf3 | hey people what does modprobe error mean when it says snd-cs423x.ko) no such device. alsaconf detected the soundcard but cannot load this module |
| 22:39.08 | netsurf3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.12 | azeem | netsurf3: check dmesg for more hints |
| 22:39.47 | netsurf3 | thanks azeem |
| 22:39.52 | netsurf3 | ok it says |
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| 22:40.19 | netsurf3 | chip detected but control port 0x538 is not valid |
| 22:40.45 | netsurf3 | i badly want the sound to work on this |
| 22:40.59 | netsurf3 | windows 98 runs like shit |
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| 22:41.09 | azeem | netsurf3: is this a notebook? |
| 22:41.13 | netsurf3 | yes |
| 22:41.22 | netsurf3 | i have the chip module for it |
| 22:41.38 | netsurf3 | it is a crystal 4237B |
| 22:41.45 | netsurf3 | but the module i am using covers |
| 22:41.46 | kingspawn | Drizzt321: Yeah, did that too |
| 22:41.47 | netsurf3 | it |
| 22:42.06 | netsurf3 | strangely |
| 22:42.20 | netsurf3 | the built in mic is functioning |
| 22:42.33 | netsurf3 | despite there being no drivers installed |
| 22:42.46 | netsurf3 | i am using debian etch |
| 22:42.55 | netsurf3 | the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:42.56 | azeem | netsurf3: did you check e.g. www.tuxmobile.org for hints for your model? |
| 22:44.05 | netsurf3 | it is not listed |
| 22:44.11 | netsurf3 | it is an ultra light laptop |
| 22:45.05 | marco13185 | did they ever upload python-central_0.4.17 to unstable ? |
| 22:45.11 | ajdlinux | yes |
| 22:45.12 | marco13185 | it's not in incoming, but it's not in unstable |
| 22:45.15 | ajdlinux | it is there |
| 22:45.18 | azeem | it's in-between |
| 22:45.24 | ajdlinux | very weird |
| 22:45.31 | netsurf3 | lost in limbo? |
| 22:45.35 | marco13185 | haha |
| 22:45.36 | ajdlinux | was explaining it to someone on oftc#debian |
| 22:45.37 | netsurf3 | for the time beaing |
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| 22:45.49 | azeem | marco13185: http://people.debian.org/~doko/python/python-central_0.4.17_all.deb |
| 22:45.56 | unstable | Everytime a package breaks in unstable, the stupid people who use it come in here and beg for a big. And they whine about when the new fix is coming |
| 22:45.57 | unstable | heh |
| 22:46.16 | netsurf3 | well |
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| 22:46.24 | netsurf3 | atleast you know it has broken |
| 22:46.53 | marco13185 | unstable, no one's whining, the annoying people are the ones never miss the opportunity to point out that you're running unstable, seriously, if you have nothing productive to say, don't bother. |
| 22:47.16 | marco13185 | no one's forcing you to reply |
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| 22:47.35 | plugwash | how can i find out how much of a filesystem is reserved for roots use only? |
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| 22:49.02 | zygentoma | blub |
| 22:49.32 | marco13185 | plugwash, do you have one / partition, or is your FS spread among different partitions? |
| 22:49.36 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 22:49.42 | netsurf3 | what is mode +I |
| 22:49.45 | marco13185 | thanks azeem, that worked |
| 22:49.56 | plugwash | one / partition |
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| 22:50.10 | AfterDeath | netsurf3, mode +I = invite only |
| 22:50.12 | marco13185 | then I don't see why root would have any space reserved |
| 22:50.40 | netsurf3 | ohh right :/ |
| 22:51.02 | plugwash | marco13185 i didn't set this box up and i'm pretty damn sure there is a way to reserve space for roots use only |
| 22:51.14 | netsurf3 | why is it that alsa is always quite when you need them :( |
| 22:51.32 | marco13185 | netfrog, what's the problem? |
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| 22:51.38 | marco13185 | ughh, netsurf3 I mean |
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| 22:51.59 | beardy | plugwash: The default for root is 5%, isn't it? |
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| 22:52.13 | netsurf3 | just looking at getting my cs4137B compatible soundchip |
| 22:52.18 | netsurf3 | alsa config finds it |
| 22:52.21 | plugwash | beardy i don't know or care what the default is i wan't to know how to find the setting on my system |
| 22:52.24 | netsurf3 | but the control port is invalid |
| 22:52.34 | netsurf3 | so modprobe fails |
| 22:52.51 | netsurf3 | seriously pissing me off |
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| 22:52.57 | marco13185 | netsurf3, what are you using modprobe for? |
| 22:53.01 | beardy | plugwash: Well, if you had known that, you probably had known how to do that too. |
| 22:53.07 | marco13185 | alsa has prebuilt kernel modules I think |
| 22:53.08 | beardy | plugwash: WHich filesystem? |
| 22:53.14 | netsurf3 | to load the module for my sound chip marco13185 |
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| 22:53.27 | leafw | what is the standard out there for editing a pdf file |
| 22:53.28 | netsurf3 | marco13185: but loading fails |
| 22:53.30 | leafw | in linux. |
| 22:53.34 | beardy | !edit pdf |
| 22:53.42 | marco13185 | netsurf3, woops, I thought module assistant |
| 22:53.44 | marco13185 | hehe |
| 22:53.47 | beardy | hmm, I'm sure I made one.. |
| 22:53.52 | netsurf3 | marco13185: ^^ |
| 22:53.59 | leafw | beardy: the bot doesn't know it ? xD |
| 22:54.13 | netsurf3 | i love the bot here |
| 22:54.17 | netsurf3 | so extencive |
| 22:54.24 | netsurf3 | !hurt netsurf3 |
| 22:54.54 | plugwash | beardy ext3 |
| 22:55.08 | beardy | leafw: No. I thought I did a factoid, but apparently not. Try pdftk. |
| 22:55.28 | wojci | Any other commands that work with the bot? |
| 22:55.33 | wojci | !analrape netsurf3 |
| 22:55.36 | wojci | *gah* |
| 22:55.38 | netsurf3 | :| |
| 22:55.51 | netsurf3 | !harm wojci |
| 22:55.53 | leafw | thanks beardy |
| 22:55.59 | netsurf3 | !kill wojci |
| 22:56.02 | netsurf3 | :D |
| 22:56.05 | wojci | Heh. |
| 22:56.10 | beardy | wojci: Stop that. |
| 22:56.21 | wojci | beardy, What? |
| 22:56.33 | beardy | !botabuse |
| 22:56.33 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:56.38 | netsurf3 | heheh |
| 22:56.56 | netsurf3 | i want to take it home with me (dpkg) |
| 22:56.57 | wojci | beardy, I am not the one abusing. |
| 22:57.02 | azeem | netsurf3: /msg it |
| 22:57.14 | netsurf3 | righto |
| 22:57.53 | killown | anyone know browser navigator light? |
| 22:58.35 | wojci | !lobotomy |
| 22:58.36 | dpkg | your wish is my command, wojci |
| 22:58.40 | wojci | hahah. |
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| 22:59.08 | killown | !lobotomy |
| 22:59.09 | dpkg | your wish is my command, killown |
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| 23:00.35 | Maulkin | Stop playing with teh bots please |
| 23:00.52 | der_ipv6_troll | what is a teh-bot? |
| 23:00.57 | ajdlinux | if you want to play with the bots /msg them |
| 23:01.08 | petemc | der_ipv6_troll: you cant guess? |
| 23:01.14 | der_ipv6_troll | no. |
| 23:01.18 | der_ipv6_troll | i am stupid... |
| 23:01.23 | ajdlinux | bot = dpkg |
| 23:01.26 | petemc | sucks to be you |
| 23:01.26 | beardy | plugwash: man tune2fs |
| 23:01.34 | der_ipv6_troll | yes it does... |
| 23:01.46 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 23:01.58 | netsurf3 | i always think of blackholes to describe suck |
| 23:02.18 | der_ipv6_troll | pleeze excuse me... i have been to one of the gentoo-channels here all the day. |
| 23:02.27 | leafw | is there support for read/write to ufs2 ? |
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| 23:02.44 | leafw | I can mount as read-only but can't write |
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| 23:06.19 | pipeline | leafw: And that's all there is. |
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| 23:17.35 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:17.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 23:22.21 | Vasistha | moo |
| 23:22.35 | ajdlinux | stop playing with dpkg |
| 23:22.42 | ajdlinux | msg them if you want |
| 23:22.52 | abrotman | !lart ajdlinux |
| 23:23.02 | ajdlinux | !lart abrotman |
| 23:23.19 | abrotman | ohh .. i'm scared! |
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| 23:25.06 | Maulkin | Eveyone: stop it. Now please. |
| 23:25.42 | abrotman | eveyone: no such nick/channel |
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| 23:25.45 | unstable | Where can you buy debian t-shirts keychains etc(where the money goes to debian) |
| 23:25.55 | unstable | My friend wants to buy debian stuff |
| 23:26.09 | bartm | unstable: last time I checked debian does not such money raising selling |
| 23:26.11 | abrotman | does debian.uk still sell stuff ? |
| 23:26.19 | ajdlinux | next person to misuse dpkg should be kicked |
| 23:26.19 | abrotman | though .. IIRC .. it doesn't go to debian |
| 23:26.20 | unstable | bartm: ok |
| 23:27.39 | bartm | unstable: just checked again, still the same, see http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
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| 23:27.56 | frodo_ | What was the command to download the all the new debian updates and install them please? |
| 23:28.02 | ajdlinux | apt-get update |
| 23:28.05 | ajdlinux | apt-get upgrade |
| 23:28.08 | frodo_ | Ty |
| 23:28.12 | bartm | frodo_: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:28.13 | frodo_ | Aj how are you doing? |
| 23:28.13 | dpkg | just great, frodo_ |
| 23:28.18 | abrotman | man apt-get ? |
| 23:28.27 | abrotman | oh .. time to kick frodo_ .. ajdlinux said so! |
| 23:28.33 | dvs | abrotman: WRONG! ;-P |
| 23:28.57 | unstable | bartm: no key chains :( |
| 23:29.05 | frodo_ | Hi Bartm |
| 23:29.10 | abrotman | unstable: try cafepress |
| 23:29.11 | ajdlinux | never knew dpkg did that actually |
| 23:29.16 | zygentoma | whats the difference between && and ; ? |
| 23:29.32 | abrotman | if the first fails .. the second won't be executed |
| 23:29.36 | abrotman | with && |
| 23:29.36 | frodo_ | Hi Bartm |
| 23:29.40 | frodo_ | Oops |
| 23:29.42 | bartm | zygentoma: with && the second command is only executed if the first succeeds, while with ; always |
| 23:29.42 | zygentoma | thx |
| 23:30.08 | abrotman | admittedly .. with apt-get upgrade ; apt-get update .. it won't hurt anything if the second is run |
| 23:30.24 | ajdlinux | do it the other way around |
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| 23:30.32 | ajdlinux | update then upgrade |
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| 23:30.35 | shuffle | debian |
| 23:30.39 | shuffle | huyebian |
| 23:30.39 | abrotman | erm .. still makes no difference |
| 23:30.46 | shuffle | eh |
| 23:30.47 | shuffle | ehe |
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| 23:30.53 | Maulkin | Debian uk stuff does to Debian |
| 23:30.55 | abrotman | that was a typo .. but running apt-get upgrade with a failed apt-get update .. won't do anything .. just run and do nothing |
| 23:31.01 | shuffle | Debian |
| 23:31.03 | ajdlinux | abrotman: yes |
| 23:31.04 | abrotman | Maulkin: URL ? |
| 23:31.04 | shuffle | shitebian |
| 23:31.07 | abrotman | shuffle: are you ok ? |
| 23:31.08 | frodo_ | Batm how long have been using debian? |
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| 23:31.11 | shuffle | yea |
| 23:31.15 | frodo_ | bartm ? |
| 23:31.18 | shuffle | damn |
| 23:31.22 | shuffle | <shuffle> get out of my sfinktr bithes! |
| 23:31.22 | shuffle | <shuffle> get out of my sfinktr bithes! |
| 23:31.25 | bartm | frodo_: few years, why? |
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| 23:31.30 | frodo_ | Cool |
| 23:31.31 | FlimFlamMan | hi. i deleted a partition and created two partitions out of it. now fdisk says "partition table entries are not in disk order". is that a problem? |
| 23:31.33 | abrotman | Maulkin: can you kill shuffle |
| 23:31.35 | shuffle | but i really do fuck them!Yes!i fuck mopses in their anuses, flushing the sfinktr so the shit of mops can get out and then i insert my giant 25cm dick in anal of russian mops so they scream and bark!Bark and scream!BOOoOOOOOoooM-SHAKA-LAKA-BOOOMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM-SHAKA-LAKA- ANAL MOPS! |
| 23:31.39 | shuffle | dont kill me |
| 23:31.42 | shuffle | i love you all |
| 23:31.43 | shuffle | -) |
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| 23:31.48 | shuffle | i love you ppl-) |
| 23:31.48 | ajdlinux | kick shuffle |
| 23:31.51 | bartm | lol |
| 23:31.55 | frodo_ | Debian is sweet\ |
| 23:31.55 | *** mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ |
| 23:31.56 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@194.67.251.188] by Maulkin |
| 23:31.56 | *** kick/#debian [shuffle!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (Maulkin) |
| 23:31.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 23:32.00 | abrotman | Maulkin: thank you |
| 23:32.03 | Maulkin | np |
| 23:32.06 | ajdlinux | thanks |
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| 23:32.14 | Maulkin | abrotman: http://wiki.earth.li/DebianUKSociety && http://www.einval.com/~steve/DebianT/ |
| 23:32.15 | ajdlinux | getting rid of stupid troublemakers |
| 23:32.27 | bartm | it seems that shuffle is not yet using debian :) |
| 23:32.32 | abrotman | Maulkin: will you be filing a tax return for krooger? :) |
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| 23:33.02 | Maulkin | abrotman: Eh? Why? |
| 23:33.03 | abrotman | unstable: see the links Maulkin gave |
| 23:33.09 | abrotman | Maulkin: did you read the debate log? |
| 23:33.15 | Maulkin | As in why the hell should we? |
| 23:33.36 | Maulkin | abrotman: Which one!? |
| 23:33.36 | leafw | is there support for read AND write to ufs2 ? |
| 23:33.38 | abrotman | Maulkin: do you want me to dig it up? |
| 23:33.38 | leafw | I can mount as read-only but can't write |
| 23:33.46 | abrotman | Maulkin: for DPL .. this past election |
| 23:33.50 | Maulkin | abrotman: at least give me a ref? :) |
| 23:33.56 | abrotman | Maulkin: eh .. i gotta find the log |
| 23:34.00 | Maulkin | abrotman: :) |
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| 23:34.52 | Maulkin | leafw: no, I don't think it's available yet |
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| 23:35.45 | leafw | Maulkin : ok, thanks. |
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| 23:36.42 | abrotman | Maulkin: http://people.debian.org/~mjr/irc/dpl-debate-2006/debian_dpl_debate_2006_03_16.html .. it wasn't taxes .. i misspoke .. like 707 .. around there |
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| 23:37.07 | apokryphos | anyone know of the name of the little flame screensaver from xcscreensaver? |
| 23:37.15 | apokryphos | it has a flame in the middle and it changes colours |
| 23:37.21 | abrotman | Maulkin: it goes on for a while IIRC |
| 23:37.30 | abrotman | apokryphos: didn't you ask this earlier? |
| 23:37.37 | vsnb | Hello! I use gnome valume control but is there any way to make sound even more loud? |
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| 23:37.46 | ajdlinux | abrotman: yes he did |
| 23:37.58 | yassine | i added a user without setting his home dire can i repair that ? |
| 23:37.59 | abrotman | ajdlinux: he who? |
| 23:38.03 | bartm | vsnb: link your sound card to your hifi, and yey there you go :) |
| 23:38.06 | apokryphos | abrotman: yes, over two hours ago. |
| 23:38.07 | abrotman | ajdlinux: the taxes or apokryphos ? |
| 23:38.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:38.44 | leafw | and what is the proper way to tell grub to find my freebsd partition? |
| 23:38.44 | vsnb | im not sure but it seems that sound is lower under debian |
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| 23:39.00 | abrotman | apokryphos: not flame or xflame ? |
| 23:39.04 | apokryphos | nope |
| 23:39.11 | abrotman | apokryphos: have oyu seen it in debian before? |
| 23:39.39 | apokryphos | abrotman: I used it for weeks early on in the year, and now I can't remember it for the life of me :) |
| 23:39.39 | bartm | vsnb: there are multiple sliders in the volume control, accumulative... try them all :) |
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| 23:39.45 | vsnb | already did |
| 23:40.07 | godmachine81 | what is the "slit" in blackbox / openbox ?? I do not see it anywhere i set it to be placed |
| 23:40.25 | FlimFlamMan | does anyone know if it's a problem if the partitions on a disk are not in "disk order", eg partition 12 has a starting cylinder before partition 8? |
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| 23:40.48 | bartm | FlimFlamMan: that should not be a problem |
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| 23:40.56 | FlimFlamMan | bartm, thanks |
| 23:41.20 | MatBoy | !beer me |
| 23:41.48 | MatBoy | Does dpkg has no Duvel ? |
| 23:42.34 | petemc | isnt yuengling half lager half stout? |
| 23:42.40 | Maulkin | abrotman: Right, Debian UK society was set up because Steve had a shoebox of cash under his bed and didn't want it lost in case he got hit by a bus. That's IT. No alterior motives. EOT. |
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| 23:43.02 | MatBoy | petemc, We call that a Half Switched |
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| 23:43.19 | MatBoy | petemc, Half Brow and Half normal beer |
| 23:43.25 | anfangs | why are there so many debian discs? do i need to download all of them to install debian? |
| 23:43.26 | petemc | brow? |
| 23:43.30 | MatBoy | *brown |
| 23:43.35 | petemc | ah |
| 23:43.45 | Maulkin | anfangs: No, bust the first one |
| 23:43.45 | petemc | its stout :) |
| 23:43.48 | Maulkin | *just |
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| 23:44.10 | anfangs | Maulkin: ok, good! what are the other discs? for non-net install? |
| 23:44.13 | petemc | fruedian slip, thinking about busts.. ;) |
| 23:44.15 | abrotman | Maulkin: no way! |
| 23:44.15 | godmachine81 | can someone please tell me what the "Slit" is in blackbox?? I thought it was like a dock that contained things like a systray?? I cant see it anywhere, and i cant figure out how to use it. |
| 23:44.17 | Maulkin | abrotman: Yup |
| 23:44.22 | MatBoy | petemc, yes, during Carnaval :) |
| 23:44.23 | fhffhqvb | !tell godmachine81 about repeat |
| 23:44.25 | bartm | godmachine81: you just asked that |
| 23:44.28 | abrotman | Maulkin: i was just noting the "argument" |
| 23:44.31 | Maulkin | anfangs: They've got the rest of the packages on |
| 23:44.39 | godmachine81 | and no one ever answered it |
| 23:44.44 | Maulkin | abrotman: it's been... interesting |
| 23:44.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:44.56 | Maulkin | abrotman: I guess you misse dthe SPI resolution... |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | Maulkin: missed? |
| 23:45.24 | Maulkin | abrotman: Slef proposed a resolution to ban Debian UK |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | nice |
| 23:45.55 | Maulkin | It got chucked out on it's arse, of course. Partially becuase the DPL wasn't told, nor were we. |
| 23:46.02 | Maulkin | But this is OT. |
| 23:46.09 | anfangs | should i use the minimal CD, or the first full CD? |
| 23:46.10 | abrotman | only mildly OT :) |
| 23:46.26 | petemc | cheesesteak? |
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| 23:46.37 | Maulkin | cookies |
| 23:47.04 | petemc | sasperela |
| 23:47.05 | petemc | sp |
| 23:47.23 | Maulkin | abrotman: *now* it's off topic :) |
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| 23:48.17 | Maulkin | Anyway, bed. I'm sure stew will be around for opping. Never sleeps ya see. |
| 23:48.19 | Maulkin | Laters. |
| 23:49.13 | netsurf3 | CHEESE |
| 23:49.19 | netsurf3 | i love cheese |
| 23:49.54 | netsurf3 | i need to specify control port for alsa sound module |
| 23:50.08 | netsurf3 | i have the IO range |
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| 23:50.20 | netsurf3 | i just need to tell the module to use that |
| 23:50.28 | netsurf3 | how can i do this :) |
| 23:50.32 | star-trekio | ok |
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| 23:50.42 | star-trekio | the debian installer does not see the sata harddrive |
| 23:50.48 | star-trekio | for this hp desktop I have |
| 23:50.51 | star-trekio | its a dual core |
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| 23:51.00 | azeem | netsurf3: read the documentation of that module for the option syntax |
| 23:51.11 | Subvertir | Can anyone confirm that the version of ipw2200 that is currently in testing 2.6.15 works with wpa_supplicant? |
| 23:51.17 | netsurf3 | where on earth am i going to get that? |
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| 23:52.25 | frodo_ | Does anyone know of any good web page design software for debian? |
| 23:52.36 | zamolxes | frodo_: uhm.. vim? |
| 23:52.54 | ajdlinux | frodo_: quanta |
| 23:52.55 | frodo_ | Ty |
| 23:53.03 | bartm | frodo_: try "screem" or "vim" :) |
| 23:53.07 | jsan | my friends if i install a package with ./configure --with blabalbal and make make install strip , how i unistall this packages ? |
| 23:53.14 | beardy | !wysiwyg html editor |
| 23:53.16 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.16 | dpkg | If you are looking for a wysiwyg html editor, try quanta, Mozilla composer, bluefish (has support for php), or nvu (not available in sarge though). |
| 23:53.22 | user- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.54 | beardy | frodo_: Otherwise, many editors have html modes, like vim, emacs, jed and so on. |
| 23:54.03 | bartm | jsan: by simply removing the files that were installed |
| 23:54.44 | azeem | jsan: sßome of those have a mae uninstall command, if you still have the build tree around |
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| 23:55.27 | jsan | azeem i spossible to use this commnad them make unistall , make clean ? |
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| 23:55.45 | azeem | jsan: it depends on the build system |
| 23:56.27 | buu | I've got a /dev/md0 device. /proc/mdstat says "allocated raid device md0 with 10 devices.." I did /etc/init./mdadm-* start; and so on. But I still can't mount /dev/md0, I get the 'bad type..' error from mount |
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| 23:56.47 | star-trekio | I am stuck |
| 23:57.02 | star-trekio | I have a hp pc with SATA drive and debian 3.1 installer wont see a hd on the system |
| 23:57.09 | jsan | thanks |
| 23:57.12 | star-trekio | in addition the chip is athlon 64 3500 |
| 23:57.21 | dongs | buu: how about formatting it |
| 23:57.32 | azeem | star-trekio: you could try testing beta2 |
| 23:57.33 | buu | dongs: cfdisk complains when I feed it /dev/md0 |
| 23:57.41 | dongs | someone wants to halp me figure out why ipsec doesnt work? tunnel is up, but i cant ping the other endpoint from either machine, using racoon w/pre-shared keys and setkey. do i need anything special to actually allow the packets to go through once tunnel is setup? using racoon + setkey |
| 23:57.48 | buu | star-trekio: Which kernel is that? |
| 23:57.49 | dongs | buu: define 'complains' |
| 23:57.51 | bartm | azeem: no, "make clean" cleans the build directories, but does not uninstall the installed package |
| 23:57.52 | frodo_ | Quanta is what I was looking for. |
| 23:57.58 | buu | dongs: "OHNOES ERROR: can't get drive size" |
| 23:57.59 | zezozose | if i put a directory in cron.hourly will it execute everything in the directory? |
| 23:58.00 | star-trekio | not to kernel stage yet |
| 23:58.04 | dongs | buu: lol. |
| 23:58.05 | azeem | bartm: I didn't claim it did |
| 23:58.07 | ajdlinux | azeem: some progs have make uninstall |
| 23:58.14 | dongs | sounds like a problem them |
| 23:58.14 | azeem | eh, that's what I siad |
| 23:58.15 | buu | star-trekio: Um. You have to be running a kernel to install the system. |
| 23:58.17 | bartm | azeem: good :) |
| 23:58.22 | star-trekio | uh |
| 23:58.30 | star-trekio | its debian installer cd for i386 3.1 |
| 23:58.38 | star-trekio | it compains "no hard drive attached to system" |
| 23:58.53 | buu | sigh |
| 23:58.57 | buu | Ask it for a shell and do uname -r |
| 23:59.28 | anibal | bartm: hello |